| 00:00.00 | enveezee | thingfish: I gave up computer repair years ago. I cant deal with windows anymore :P |
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| 00:00.08 | thingfish | oh man tell me about it. |
| 00:00.12 | mike_sol | you mean 'left mouse button' right - maybe e16menuedit pkg will help you |
| 00:00.18 | mike_sol | not sure, sorry ;-0 |
| 00:00.35 | p4szczur | thanks, i'll check it |
| 00:00.48 | beardy | thingfish: where in the world would we find your bar/grill, if you get one, and one is hungry or thirsty and near it? |
| 00:01.00 | mike_sol | say vancouver |
| 00:01.26 | thingfish | hehe beardy, in southeast Kansas City Missouri USA, probably. Unless I move to Canada or Belize first. |
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| 00:01.45 | enveezee | d03boy: you got to narrow down what is the bottleneck. like for example if my pc lags when searching for files, building an index database for say Mandb, Amarok, Rhythmbox..etc then its probably my HD thats the bottleneck. |
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| 00:01.59 | thingfish | If I move to Canada, I'll open up a microbrewery. If I move to Belize, I'll start a pot farm. |
| 00:02.04 | enveezee | d03boy: the reaction time of a PC depends on a vast many factors |
| 00:02.04 | mike_sol | thingfish, i wouldn't have assumed that would be the berry-blended girly drink capital of the world |
| 00:02.06 | d03boy | enveezee, clicking on the Applications menu in gnome goes slow |
| 00:02.14 | mike_sol | also, no reason not to start a pot farm here :D |
| 00:02.19 | thingfish | I make good manly drinks too. |
| 00:02.22 | niclas | chealer: the interesting part of the output of apt-get v. 0.6.42.1 is just: Get:4 http://valencia testing/updates Release.gpg [189B] <br> Ign http://valencia testing/non-US Release.gpg ... |
| 00:02.28 | thingfish | like old fashioneds. |
| 00:02.34 | thingfish | and manhattans. |
| 00:02.46 | enveezee | thingfish: the kind that will grow hair on your balls? heh |
| 00:02.56 | thingfish | and I make the best martini you'll ever have in your life. |
| 00:03.05 | thingfish | yes |
| 00:03.15 | stew | niclas: there is no more non-us ; /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 00:03.16 | bucky | apt-get moo |
| 00:03.17 | antgel | thingfish: what will be on offer for those of us who choose not to drink poison? ;) |
| 00:03.31 | foo | I have alsa 1.0.4 on sarge ... but I want to upgrade to 1.0.9b ... what would be the best way to do this? |
| 00:03.31 | dondelelcaro | mixed drinks? trouble me not with swill. |
| 00:03.32 | enveezee | I can see it now, thingfish bar and grill "so good it'll grow hair on your balls" |
| 00:03.41 | thingfish | ok, well, we'll want to have something...good point antgel. |
| 00:03.53 | thingfish | hehe enveezee |
| 00:03.57 | antgel | thingfish: i like simple food, well cooked, and water |
| 00:03.58 | maalox | Is anyone aware of a way to disable "device-mapper"? |
| 00:04.15 | thingfish | antgel: oh definitely my plan. |
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| 00:04.17 | niclas | chealer: i know that, just forgot to remove it. weirdly, apt seems to work... even with all thos IGNores... since i updated apt-proxy to v. 1.9... wait... |
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| 00:04.42 | thingfish | not a big menu - gotta focus on quality. |
| 00:04.57 | d03boy | enveezee, 700mb of swap is being used |
| 00:05.01 | thingfish | people - me included - are tired of paying for crap. |
| 00:05.15 | antgel | thingfish: i'm not into minced anything. i like to see what i'm eating |
| 00:05.32 | thingfish | nothing wrong with that, antgel. I hear ya. |
| 00:05.49 | antgel | thingfish: but as i'm in .uk, who cares what i think? |
| 00:05.53 | thingfish | with food, you have to start with quality ingredients. |
| 00:05.57 | niclas | stew: sry, msg was ment for u: i know that, just forgot to remove it. weirdly, apt seems to work... even with all thos IGNores... since i updated apt-proxy to v. 1.9... wait... |
| 00:05.59 | thingfish | bah |
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| 00:06.10 | thingfish | the english have come light years. |
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| 00:06.20 | thingfish | that's an old joke, anymore. |
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| 00:07.10 | thingfish | well anyway let's not get into whether people know how to eat anyway... |
| 00:07.10 | niclas | hmm... those ignores suddelny have no effect anymore... cool.... obviously, apt-proxy was just too old. :-) yay! |
| 00:07.27 | p4szczur | mike_sol, my e16menuedit tells me '...Sucks to be you', grrr |
| 00:08.55 | p4szczur | i don't have ~/.enlightenment/menus/file.menu file. where can i get it? |
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| 00:10.11 | mike_sol | hey thingfish would you consider a tom collins to be girly |
| 00:10.33 | thingfish | hell no, mike_sol. |
| 00:10.39 | thingfish | not a real one. |
| 00:10.56 | mike_sol | fuck yeah that's why i wanted to hear. and by real you mean with some sour mix in there and good strong gin right |
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| 00:11.15 | thingfish | what's girly about lemon juice, gin, soda, and a little sugar? |
| 00:11.37 | thingfish | especially since you put a nice wallop of gin in it. |
| 00:11.39 | mike_sol | the girly part is how they keep giving it to me in big fruity glasses with a straw and all that |
| 00:11.48 | thingfish | oh that's sad |
| 00:11.58 | antgel | mike_sol: that's nothing to odo with the cocktail :P |
| 00:12.00 | mike_sol | i want it in a neat little glass and at least a double shot, triple's nice too. |
| 00:12.08 | mike_sol | damnit it's not my fault im pretty antgel |
| 00:12.13 | thingfish | that's not the classic recipe. |
| 00:12.15 | dondelelcaro | a tom colins should always be served in a high boy. |
| 00:12.20 | thingfish | yes |
| 00:12.23 | mike_sol | whats a hig boy |
| 00:12.25 | oberon | why do i neet to mount /home to my chroot to stat any x11 applications? |
| 00:12.27 | thingfish | tall glass |
| 00:12.30 | oberon | need |
| 00:12.33 | mike_sol | aright |
| 00:12.55 | mike_sol | oberon, maybe it needs access to .xsession and that sort of thing? |
| 00:12.57 | foo | I just did apt-get update and got these problems ... any ideas? http://pastebin.com/429760 |
| 00:13.25 | thingfish | tall glass, not too wide. |
| 00:13.37 | oberon | mhy copied .Xauthority |
| 00:13.48 | mike_sol | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.50 | oberon | shouldn't that be enough? |
| 00:14.02 | antgel | foo: the message speaks for itself |
| 00:14.07 | enveezee | its hard to find the right bar |
| 00:14.11 | thingfish | hehe enveezee |
| 00:14.15 | mike_sol | oberon, X should create anything it doesnt have, it just needs a $HOME proably |
| 00:14.31 | MasterYoda | foo: try a different mirror, those error messages explain them selves |
| 00:14.38 | thingfish | actually I was hehe-ing to your previous statement, enveezee. |
| 00:14.39 | foo | antgel: Ah, I just did it again and got this - W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified be cause the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 ... W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems ... any ideas? |
| 00:14.58 | enveezee | It is.. I still havent really found one.. the one I hung out at in Morgantown was alright. but the girls there couldnt bartend. I usually had to come back there and help em out |
| 00:15.05 | thingfish | I'm working on it but this stuff is a bitch to break apart. |
| 00:15.11 | mike_sol | foo, there is something about that on the marillat page iirc |
| 00:15.25 | mike_sol | couple commands you run to import the keyring |
| 00:15.30 | enveezee | I remember someone ordered a long island iced tea, and I had to make it cause they are too stupid |
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| 00:15.55 | bucky | foo is this what you have in sources.list 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main' |
| 00:16.01 | snull | foo, /msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 00:16.17 | thingfish | oh no way! me too, once! it was hilarious. this group of college kids down from nebraska. they'd only had fake LIITs before. I made them real ones. |
| 00:16.18 | thingfish | hehehehe |
| 00:16.21 | oberon | foo |
| 00:16.30 | oberon | get his key from a public keyserver |
| 00:16.38 | thingfish | they were puking in the bathroom. |
| 00:16.52 | thingfish | I'm sure they did real well in the debate next day. |
| 00:16.54 | MX-5_Falkon | here's an easy one. How do I set debian to boot into X, but not use xdm? |
| 00:17.01 | oberon | foo: Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 00:17.05 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, that's not easy at all |
| 00:17.06 | enveezee | when I make em at home I make em strong, but I only use 4 liquors I normally dont go all out of the flavor |
| 00:17.10 | bucky | MX-5_Falkon: apt-get remove xdm |
| 00:17.17 | MX-5_Falkon | bucky: thanks |
| 00:17.28 | enveezee | by the time you drink the first sip of a Long Island you shouldnt know what it tastes like anyhow |
| 00:17.30 | mike_sol | ....that won't boot into X |
| 00:17.30 | foo | bucky: Yup |
| 00:17.37 | MX-5_Falkon | fawk |
| 00:17.40 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 00:17.44 | MX-5_Falkon | i hate you |
| 00:17.52 | thingfish | hehe enveezee |
| 00:17.57 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, do you want it to always be a particular user in X without having to log in? |
| 00:17.58 | thingfish | pretty much right |
| 00:18.15 | MX-5_Falkon | mike_sol: correct! |
| 00:18.35 | bucky | MX-5_Falkon: install mandriva |
| 00:18.43 | foo | ah, thanks |
| 00:18.46 | antgel | MX-5_Falkon: then read the docs for a dm that allows such crazy behaviour |
| 00:18.52 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, install 'gdm' and then use its little config thing to pick a user |
| 00:18.54 | enveezee | I think of Cruel Intentions when I think of the long island.. when that girl is on the bed sucking away at the empty glass and says "This doesnt taste like an Iced Tea" |
| 00:19.02 | thingfish | I used to just really dig making these martinis that were so dry and so cold that people would come back to the bar and compliment me. |
| 00:19.12 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, what desktop environs do you use |
| 00:19.25 | bucky | MX-5_Falkon: or log in and type startx you lazy bastard |
| 00:19.39 | MX-5_Falkon | bucky: yeah, but that involves typing :P |
| 00:19.41 | stew | antgel: like xdm? |
| 00:19.43 | muhoo | if i shutdown and remove a usb storage device, does the usb subsystem "know" that it's gone? |
| 00:19.51 | enveezee | nothing I love more than to hear a girl say that. |
| 00:19.51 | MX-5_Falkon | mike_sol: i typically use xfce or fluxbox |
| 00:19.54 | thingfish | like they could watch me make the martini and see that literally a few drops of vermouth went into it and that's all. |
| 00:19.57 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: yes. |
| 00:20.03 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 00:20.09 | MX-5_Falkon | mike_sol: does xdm really have much overhead? |
| 00:20.13 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, okay. well gdm will have some dependancies that you don't have, but apt will get them all for you. |
| 00:20.15 | foo | Hmm, I have sarge (just downloaded net install cd today) ... and I want to upgrade alsa ... what's the best way to do this? http://pastebin.com/429766 - this is my sources.list. I believe I upgraded to testing sources.. hmm, not too sure. Any ideas? |
| 00:20.16 | thingfish | and of course extra olives because they make a martini. |
| 00:20.24 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, once you're logged into X, the dm's overhead is negligible |
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| 00:20.39 | mike_sol | it's just a pretty login thing with a bit of daemon functionality |
| 00:20.47 | mike_sol | unless you're an XDMCP kinda guy |
| 00:20.48 | thingfish | oh shit, I thought it was Friday, and it's just Monday. |
| 00:20.51 | MX-5_Falkon | might as well use it then |
| 00:20.59 | ic1 | hey guys...i think i have a scsi drive going bad...how can i verify? |
| 00:21.00 | beardy | thingfish: yeah.. |
| 00:21.02 | enveezee | thingfish: people put everything in a martini glass now.. you ever notice this trend? |
| 00:21.09 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, go with GDM as it's pretty and has themes and config options up the wazoo |
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| 00:21.20 | enveezee | thingfish: its like suddenly the martini glass is the sexist thing on the planet |
| 00:21.22 | mike_sol | ic1, smart monitoring tools would be a good bet |
| 00:21.23 | thingfish | oh I know, enveezee. no class. |
| 00:21.30 | MX-5_Falkon | mike_sol: first time using x.org, does it have such a command that is equivalent to XFree86 -configure |
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| 00:21.37 | ic1 | apt-get ? |
| 00:21.43 | beardy | !drxx MX-5_Falkon |
| 00:21.44 | dpkg | MX-5_Falkon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:21.54 | mike_sol | MX-5_Falkon, probably, it IS xfree86 with a few minute changes |
| 00:21.55 | thingfish | part of the drink is, is that it's supposed to go in the right glass. Otherwise, it's not right. |
| 00:22.21 | MX-5_Falkon | mike_sol: this is my server, flash is not necessary |
| 00:22.32 | MX-5_Falkon | just running x so a few things will be going |
| 00:22.41 | mike_sol | flash is always necessary, how else are you going to watch hentai vids... oh wait nm |
| 00:22.43 | beardy | deputycleric: But why.. |
| 00:22.48 | Phated | enveezee: 'suddenly'? It's always been. |
| 00:23.03 | deputycleric | because openoffice never works 100% with word docs |
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| 00:23.19 | deputycleric | i demand a linux desktop for home use, but still need to run some office apps |
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| 00:23.23 | mike_sol | martini glasses are 'sexy' the same way women with implants are. |
| 00:23.25 | deputycleric | so crossover lets me do it without a dual boot |
| 00:23.36 | enveezee | Phated: well I never noticed before that you can charge $10 for a bowl of jello if you just dump it into a martini glass |
| 00:23.41 | deputycleric | i feel happy! i feel happy! <<THUNK>> |
| 00:23.44 | mike_sol | hahaha |
| 00:23.53 | antgel | thank g-d for that |
| 00:23.56 | enveezee | Phated: now its art |
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| 00:23.59 | Guerin | enveezee: people have been doing that for years |
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| 00:24.15 | Guerin | for a while there it was margarita glasses |
| 00:24.26 | deputycleric | are those like beer goggles? |
| 00:24.34 | enveezee | Guerin: yeah well its real popular now in martini glasses and its getting media coverage which is making it worse |
| 00:24.40 | Guerin | enveezee: you clearly haven't spent enough time in swanky bars |
| 00:24.53 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.53 | foo | 3.1 |
| 00:24.55 | foo | That is sarge, eh? |
| 00:25.00 | beardy | deputycleric: Ok, happy is nice. :) |
| 00:25.06 | Guerin | foo: 1 |
| 00:25.09 | foo | Guerin: 1 ? |
| 00:25.14 | mike_sol | my wife always orders bellinis, and while they're tasty enough it's a nice load on the wallet, tell you that much |
| 00:25.14 | Guerin | foo: 1 |
| 00:25.19 | thingfish | so Guerin, what do you drink? |
| 00:25.20 | enveezee | Guerin: duh. thats so un-enveezee-like |
| 00:25.21 | foo | Guerin: What do you mean? |
| 00:25.33 | Guerin | really good bellinis are magical |
| 00:25.40 | Guerin | but the trouble is getting the ingredients |
| 00:25.50 | thingfish | I'd have to look up bellini...I'm out of practice. |
| 00:25.57 | mike_sol | its a slushie |
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| 00:26.02 | Guerin | most people just use peach juice and cheap fizz, with some schnapps to kick it up a gear |
| 00:26.05 | thingfish | what's the liquor(s) |
| 00:26.12 | thingfish | ah |
| 00:26.19 | Guerin | thingfish: white peach essence, champagne |
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| 00:26.30 | thingfish | yeah ok |
| 00:26.30 | Guerin | thingfish: originally |
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| 00:26.46 | thingfish | intriguing |
| 00:27.05 | mike_sol | so we have two linux bartenders here. i wonder if there's a trend towards that |
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| 00:27.40 | thingfish | I think it's just that linux people tend to be substance consumers. |
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| 00:28.09 | antgel | thingfish: actually, that's just linux users reflecting the rest of society, believe it or not |
| 00:28.12 | mike_sol | yeah i remember reading that in the Jargon File years ago before i'd ever tried drugs, and i figured 'no, they're smart people, why would they do drugs, this has gotta be wrong' |
| 00:28.13 | thingfish | I mean, more so than the general population. |
| 00:28.25 | thingfish | true, antgel. |
| 00:28.40 | antgel | mike_sol: we're not smart. we just learn geek stuff parrot-fashion. :) |
| 00:28.44 | mike_sol | but i think just about anybody who's inquisitive enough to want to run weird operating systems has wondered about their own mind from time to time |
| 00:28.48 | Guerin | FUCK this flakey network |
| 00:28.49 | Phated | enveezee: Heh. |
| 00:29.11 | enveezee | Phated: what the hell are you giggling about :P |
| 00:29.12 | Guerin | they just replaced the fucking switches YESTERDAY and it's still timing me out at random intervals |
| 00:29.12 | thingfish | actually, I'm sure the red hat types probably don't drink or anything. Probably don't even eat fattening food. |
| 00:29.19 | Guerin | but only on http and ftp connections |
| 00:29.22 | Guerin | ssh is fine |
| 00:29.29 | Phated | enveezee: Sorry, bit nervous in class, got to giggle. :) |
| 00:29.34 | antgel | thingfish: no food is fattening in itself. it's the quantity :) |
| 00:29.41 | mike_sol | thingfish, there's free and then there's Free, right... |
| 00:29.41 | enveezee | Phated: I'll give you something to giggle about |
| 00:29.46 | enveezee | ... |
| 00:29.47 | muhoo | i am retiring my old DDS2 drive because i now have a DLT4000 drive. but the guy at the computer store was trying to sell me on a tray system of USB-connected old IDE drives for backups |
| 00:29.47 | thingfish | you are so right, antgel. |
| 00:29.54 | Phated | enveezee: ... like? |
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| 00:29.57 | Guerin | antgel: it's just that some things, for instance lard, require a small amount |
| 00:30.10 | mike_sol | mmm lard |
| 00:30.23 | mike_sol | it's all about the lard in french-canadian pea soup |
| 00:30.25 | thingfish | I will never buy this damn cheap bourbon again, what was I thinking? Missouri doesn't make good whisky. |
| 00:30.27 | muhoo | is that insane or smart? a tray with 5 IDE drives, serially connected to the system, and swap them out for offsite, etc |
| 00:30.32 | antgel | thingfish: someone dear to me has an eating disorder. i'm a food encyclopaedia |
| 00:30.34 | Guerin | antgel: this is the same issue as a gram of cocaine being more dangerous than a gram of ganja |
| 00:30.42 | Phated | EEP |
| 00:30.43 | thingfish | actually it's not bourbon since it didn't come from kentucky. |
| 00:31.08 | antgel | Guerin: i'm not disagreeing. i'm just saying that it's ok to have chips if you don't have like 10 bowls full |
| 00:31.13 | mike_sol | thingfish, what would you call it? similarily, what do you call 'scotch' not from scotland |
| 00:31.23 | Guerin | antgel: heh |
| 00:31.28 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:31.30 | beardy | mike_sol: not scotch? |
| 00:31.34 | Guerin | there's no such thing as scotch |
| 00:31.37 | mike_sol | notch? |
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| 00:31.41 | Guerin | it's what idiot americans call whisky |
| 00:31.55 | Guerin | whisky not from scotland is whiskey |
| 00:32.01 | enveezee | heh |
| 00:32.05 | mike_sol | here when we say whiskey, we're talking about rye (cc, crown) |
| 00:32.20 | kzar | Hi, I have a problem compiling the nvidia kernel modules. It seems to be because I am using the kernel for my proccessor (64bit amd) but the rest of my install is 32 bit. Is there an easy solution? |
| 00:32.23 | thingfish | no way, outside of scotland, there is no scotch. same thing for champagne, change in laws notwithstanding. |
| 00:32.27 | antgel | Guerin: one of the many interesting things i learnt is that many people with eating disorders are always on diet. but diets are Bad because they create cravings, hence failure and people often end up worse off. far better to have a little bit of everything |
| 00:32.27 | enveezee | abrotman: what do they call a philly cheesesteak in philly? |
| 00:32.40 | Guerin | antgel: yeah, absolutely. |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | enveezee: cheesesteak :) |
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| 00:33.03 | Guerin | antgel: SIL is a chronic anorexic/bulimic |
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| 00:33.08 | abrotman | enveezee: now .. a cheesesteak with sauce is called a pizzasteak here |
| 00:33.17 | Tortel | !tell me about emacs |
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| 00:33.25 | enveezee | like in Pittsburgh we call the Iron City Beer just Irn |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | enveezee: even though it's called a cheesesteak elsewhere |
| 00:33.39 | beardy | Tortel: You can /msg dpkg emacs |
| 00:33.39 | antgel | Guerin: and of course, it's a multi-fucking-billion pound industry. like gyms etc. whatever happened to jogging in the street? |
| 00:33.44 | antgel | Guerin: SIL? |
| 00:33.50 | Tortel | i know, im too lazy |
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| 00:34.03 | Guerin | stew: sister-in-law |
| 00:34.07 | Guerin | oh man |
| 00:34.08 | Guerin | antgel: |
| 00:34.09 | mike_sol | thing is with diets is that you end up cutting out a normal part of your food, and you might lose nutrients you don't get any other way |
| 00:34.16 | enveezee | PGH is the steel city. I dont know where they get that iron stuff from. |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | enveezee: well .. we call Yuengling Lager .. just Lager .. if that helps :) |
| 00:34.28 | beardy | Tortel: If you truly are, you'll see that it requires less typing.. |
| 00:34.39 | antgel | Guerin: fuck. pretty tough stuff. hope she's getting good help. |
| 00:34.46 | Bogaurd | hey all, if i want to add a promise TX2 PATA controller card to my sarge box, will i need any driver support as such? or should it just work? = |
| 00:34.46 | muhoo | ok, everybody here is too busy getting drunk to give a shit about backups, it seems. |
| 00:34.47 | Bogaurd | =\ |
| 00:34.58 | fbi | mmmmm. yuengling. |
| 00:35.04 | abrotman | !beer muhoo |
| 00:35.07 | fbi | muhoo: apparently you're not too drunk to whine. |
| 00:35.09 | antgel | mike_sol: it's not (just) about the nutrients. it's about balance. so important in many aspects of life :) |
| 00:35.19 | Guerin | antgel: nope. My wife didn't even know until last year. been going on for 30 years, the family have given up. |
| 00:35.21 | antgel | muhoo: i'm stone cold sober, i just don't care |
| 00:35.25 | muhoo | mmmmmmmm |
| 00:35.29 | mike_sol | antgel, maybe that's why i'm bad at skateboarding :D |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | muhoo: can you hot-plug them like that ? |
| 00:35.38 | enveezee | speaking of gyms they got this place called Sewickley Curves where women go to work out in a room the size of my closet |
| 00:35.57 | muhoo | fbi: well i'm sweating serious business like data integrity, and y'all are talking scotch :-) |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | enveezee: and they aren't good looking either :) |
| 00:36.00 | mike_sol | enveezee, you should start a business in your closet |
| 00:36.04 | enveezee | If I ran that place it would be called "Changing Room" or something |
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| 00:36.09 | fbi | enveezee: that would be a lot cooler of a story if you told us it was an asian massage parlor |
| 00:36.16 | mike_sol | muhoo, i wouldn't trust a bunch of external hard drives that much, especially old ones |
| 00:36.27 | thingfish | hehe asian massage parlor... |
| 00:36.27 | enveezee | fbi: thats next door.. only they do nails, not massage |
| 00:36.33 | mike_sol | go with tape if you can, or a bunch of DVDs if the space isn't too big |
| 00:36.54 | enveezee | I bet she'd do anything else too.. she wears clear heels |
| 00:36.59 | muhoo | mike_sol: thx. i'm thinking DVD's for level 0, and tape for other incrementals |
| 00:37.12 | enveezee | I dont know about asia but in america, clear heels are the official ho uniform |
| 00:37.27 | enveezee | sucky suck, fiv dolla |
| 00:37.32 | thingfish | clear heels with goldfish swimming in them? |
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| 00:37.40 | fbi | i don't discriminate against a woman's choice of shoes. |
| 00:37.44 | enveezee | no just skimpy little stipper heels |
| 00:37.53 | mike_sol | muhoo, sounds good. just rmember to reburn the dvds every couple years |
| 00:38.01 | rvalles | hi |
| 00:38.01 | foo | How can I get rid of apache2ctl? I did apt-get remove apache2 on debian and it didn't remove it |
| 00:38.03 | enveezee | me either unless they choose clear heels |
| 00:38.15 | foo | I want to get rid of everything apache2 related on this system |
| 00:38.18 | fbi | foo: use purge; man apt-get |
| 00:38.22 | muhoo | mike_sol: dvd degradation? or just to keep updated? |
| 00:38.26 | enveezee | if I wore clear heels you would make assumptions too.. heh |
| 00:38.28 | stew | foo: remove apache2-common |
| 00:38.43 | thingfish | enveezee obviously has an acrylic prejudice. |
| 00:38.43 | Bogaurd | does anyone know if i will have issues getting a Promise TX2 PATA controller card to work under sarge? |
| 00:38.45 | mike_sol | muhoo, degradation. also, use good media. |
| 00:38.48 | rvalles | does debian have some frontend tool to handle rc scripts? Or removing/adding files from the runlevel dirs is encouraged? |
| 00:38.49 | enveezee | heh |
| 00:38.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:39.00 | foo | stew: How would I be able to find that out if I didn't know that? |
| 00:39.04 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, lemme check for you |
| 00:39.06 | fbi | rvalles: man update-rc.d |
| 00:39.19 | stew | foo: dpkg -S filename |
| 00:39.24 | foo | stew: ah, tanks |
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| 00:39.33 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, 2.6 or 2.4 kernel |
| 00:39.34 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know what I've forgotten to do? (New apache2 installation. I've run a2enmod to enable ssl.) Here's my error: Invalid command 'SSLRandomSeed', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 00:39.36 | stew | foo: if you want to get rid of config files too you want remove --purge |
| 00:39.38 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: thanks. :) can you also tell me where i could check in future? :) |
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| 00:39.48 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: can you check for both? |
| 00:39.49 | rvalles | fbi: ok, update-rc.d |
| 00:39.51 | mike_sol | k |
| 00:40.02 | enveezee | thingfish: its just a well known fact that at some ho convention in the late 90's there was a huge debate about the hooker uniform.. they needed something fresh that stood out.. and one girl stood up and said "Clear Heels" and the other girl said "ooo girl, you disgusting" and the rest was history |
| 00:40.09 | foo | stew: so just apt-get remove --purge ? Since I've already got rid of apache2 |
| 00:40.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:40.27 | stew | foo: apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-common |
| 00:40.32 | beardy | rvalles: /msg dpkg update-rc.d, /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 00:40.36 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, this is a raid card eh? |
| 00:40.52 | foo | stew: ah, even if I don't have them installed |
| 00:40.52 | foo | thanks |
| 00:40.58 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: no, the non raid version. this is just the ATA controller card. |
| 00:41.01 | mike_sol | k |
| 00:41.02 | MasterYoda | hello, I am running the nvidia gfx drivers on my debian system with the latest SDL and xorg packages. When I attempt to run SDL openGL apps, I get no display and the gl context appears not to get initlized properly (I suspect this is the reason for no display). All other opengl programs work fine. |
| 00:41.05 | stew | foo: yes |
| 00:41.26 | MasterYoda | is anyone else having problems with SDL openGL apps and nvidia drivers? |
| 00:41.28 | enveezee | thingfish: ist like anyhing else.. if I wore a white hood with holes punched in it, that doesnt make me the KKK, but people will get suspucious |
| 00:41.35 | stew | i don't think promise ever made a pata raid card |
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| 00:41.53 | thingfish | enveezee: yeah, kinda. |
| 00:41.54 | foo | stew: Hmm, nope ... http://pastebin.com/429786 |
| 00:42.03 | Bogaurd | stew: the fastrack series are PATA as far as i know. |
| 00:42.33 | thingfish | I just always wondered what they were wearing under those sheets. |
| 00:42.41 | stew | Bogaurd: yes but they aren't raid, they come with drivers that do software raid under windows |
| 00:42.47 | MasterYoda | foo: you need to purge them? |
| 00:42.49 | thingfish | I mean, it gets hot down there in the south. |
| 00:42.50 | enveezee | edible panties and seashell bras |
| 00:42.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:42.55 | Bogaurd | stew: ah :) |
| 00:42.57 | stew | foo: dpkg -P apache2-common |
| 00:43.13 | stew | foo: but maybe i was wrong about the source of whatever file you were trying to get rid of |
| 00:43.15 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, does it have any alternate model numbers? i.e.e PDC202??? or the like |
| 00:43.25 | thingfish | shrimp flavored edible panties. |
| 00:43.33 | enveezee | eww |
| 00:43.34 | fbi | gross |
| 00:43.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:43.37 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: nope, havent been provided with any =( |
| 00:43.46 | mike_sol | so its just 'tx2' |
| 00:43.48 | foo | dpkg - warning: while removing apache2-common, directory `/etc/apache2' not empty so not removed. |
| 00:43.52 | foo | stew: Hmm, can I force that? |
| 00:43.55 | fbi | it hate to smell shrimp panties mixed with essence of tuna. |
| 00:43.56 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: i'm just checking if it will work atm, getting the card on friday |
| 00:43.57 | QrX | hi all |
| 00:44.01 | fbi | s/it/i'd/g |
| 00:44.03 | stew | foo: force it why? |
| 00:44.05 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, as far as i can tell the 'pdc202xx' module does it |
| 00:44.08 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: afaik just TX2. |
| 00:44.12 | foo | stew: It didn't remove it because it was a directory ... |
| 00:44.15 | muhoo | too bad they don't have PATO raid cards. if it walks like a duck... |
| 00:44.20 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: ah, cool =) |
| 00:44.23 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, and that should be available on 2.4 or 2.6 i think |
| 00:44.28 | thingfish | hehe pato |
| 00:44.35 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: excellent :D |
| 00:44.36 | stew | foo: thats becuase some other package had config files in there or becuase you put files in there |
| 00:44.44 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: where did you go to look that up? |
| 00:44.53 | thingfish | although inter-language jokes are not really fair. |
| 00:44.55 | foo | stew: It never removed the config files that were there in the first place ... |
| 00:45.03 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, i just went into the kernel menuconfig and looked around in the controller card area |
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| 00:45.11 | Bogaurd | =) |
| 00:45.15 | foo | oh, wait |
| 00:45.17 | QrX | how do i change the debian default splash when gnome is loading ? |
| 00:45.18 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: good thinking. |
| 00:45.26 | Seb | i did "xset -dpms", but my monitor still blanks after a while ,what am I missing ? |
| 00:45.28 | Bogaurd | thanks mike_sol! |
| 00:45.30 | thingfish | oh just leave the damn splash alone. |
| 00:45.35 | muhoo | thingfish: nice, a zappa fan who speaks spanish :-) |
| 00:45.40 | mike_sol | you may need to put 'pcd202xx' into the /etc/modules or udev/hotplug may find it |
| 00:45.46 | thingfish | hey, my man muhoo... |
| 00:45.52 | thingfish | saludos |
| 00:45.55 | Bogaurd | okay :) |
| 00:45.57 | mike_sol | alternately the kernel may have it built in, Bogaurd, in which case you do nothing |
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| 00:45.59 | QrX | how do i change the debian default splash when gnome is loading ? |
| 00:46.05 | mike_sol | put it in, and then review dmesg|less closely |
| 00:46.18 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: no worries, getting the card for next to nothing. |
| 00:46.21 | beardy | QrX: Everyone heard you the first time. |
| 00:46.26 | mike_sol | bitchin |
| 00:46.29 | QrX | so ? |
| 00:46.31 | Bogaurd | =) |
| 00:46.36 | MasterYoda | QrX: you might be able to do some update-alternatives magic |
| 00:46.44 | MasterYoda | QrX: ignore the trolls |
| 00:46.52 | QrX | :) |
| 00:46.55 | Bogaurd | just before i go, i dont suppose you have any experience with the raidreconf tool mike_sol? |
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| 00:47.06 | Bogaurd | :p |
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| 00:47.17 | fbi | trolls? i could swear QrX was the one asking the ridiculous question. (twice) |
| 00:47.32 | foo | stew: http://pastebin.com/429789 - hmm |
| 00:47.39 | QrX | why is it ridiculous ? |
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| 00:47.47 | fbi | how long do you stare at the "gnome splash screen" anyway? |
| 00:47.50 | thingfish | where's a troll? We'll call the ops and they'll whack him/her/it. |
| 00:47.57 | MasterYoda | QrX: you are not ignoring the trolls as instructed... |
| 00:48.07 | QrX | :p |
| 00:48.11 | beardy | MasterYoda: Stop trolling. |
| 00:48.16 | fbi | MasterYoda: he isn't, but i am. *plonk* |
| 00:48.18 | mike_sol | Bogaurd, no |
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| 00:48.20 | MasterYoda | QrX: observe |
| 00:48.21 | mike_sol | sorry |
| 00:48.21 | stew | foo: if "dpkg -l apache2-common" spits out a line starting with "pn" then its already purged |
| 00:48.26 | MasterYoda | QrX: see how that works :) |
| 00:48.27 | Bogaurd | mike_sol: no worries :) |
| 00:48.36 | Bogaurd | well, i'll head off, thanks for all the help mike_sol! |
| 00:48.51 | mike_sol | i essentially need to crack a password |
| 00:48.55 | mike_sol | what the hell |
| 00:48.57 | MasterYoda | QrX: try this command: update-alternatives --config desktop-splash |
| 00:49.01 | Guerin | the gnome splash screen is an image referenced in gnome config |
| 00:49.03 | foo | stew: It does, but as you can see .. .the folder is still there... or do I just manually deleted the folder? |
| 00:49.12 | MasterYoda | QrX: and good luck with the trolls |
| 00:49.13 | Guerin | i don't know which it is, but it should be trivial to find |
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| 00:49.22 | QrX | ..... |
| 00:49.31 | Guerin | download a splash screen package from art.gnome.org and see |
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| 00:49.49 | thingfish | trolls...here in #debian we filet trolls, bread them, and fry them at moderate heat in olive oil until golden. |
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| 00:50.01 | r3gii | i want add new output role to my firewall (irc client xchat ant bitchx) which ptotocols &ports should i add? |
| 00:50.02 | Guerin | thingfish: high heat |
| 00:50.07 | Guerin | otherwise they regenerate |
| 00:50.17 | QrX | MasterYoda thx |
| 00:50.18 | fbi | i prefer my troll broiled, with a bernaise sauce on the side. |
| 00:50.20 | QrX | :p |
| 00:50.24 | Guerin | r3gii: whatever ports they use |
| 00:50.26 | thingfish | not too high or else they'll burn on the outside and still be raw on the inside, Guerin. |
| 00:50.26 | beardy | If you chop one in two, they grow new heads. |
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| 00:50.41 | Guerin | thingfish: depends how thick you slice 'em |
| 00:50.42 | thingfish | Guerin: of course, maybe you like yours runny inside. |
| 00:50.57 | thingfish | some people do. |
| 00:50.58 | r3gii | Guerin tcp only will be ok? |
| 00:51.13 | MasterYoda | QrX: no prob |
| 00:51.21 | steigweis | what does the U parameter mean at the end of the "gimp %U" command? |
| 00:51.22 | Guerin | r3gii: tcp is not a port, but I expect all the clients you're talking about use it |
| 00:51.22 | thingfish | hehe #fedora can use trolling. |
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| 00:51.54 | r3gii | Guerin roger thx |
| 00:51.56 | ic1 | how do you run smartmontools ?? |
| 00:52.13 | antgel | ic1: how do you read the docs? |
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| 00:52.57 | ic1 | yea, is it man smartmontools? |
| 00:53.16 | MX-5_Falkon | hmm weirdness. If I do Xorg -configure, it gives me a "Missing output drivers. Configuration failed." message |
| 00:53.20 | antgel | ic1: eevery debian package puts docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 00:53.32 | MX-5_Falkon | I did the nvidia one-liner, what's left? |
| 00:53.38 | ic1 | did not know that...thakns!! |
| 00:53.45 | antgel | MX-5_Falkon: jesus. who said do -configure? |
| 00:53.46 | thingfish | MX-5_Falkon: order chinese. |
| 00:54.00 | antgel | why does nobody know about /usr/share/doc? |
| 00:54.01 | foo | stew: Just manually delete the folder? |
| 00:54.05 | thingfish | MX-5_Falkon: seriously, though, restart X. |
| 00:54.06 | MX-5_Falkon | antgel: it's what I did with xfree86 |
| 00:54.16 | stew | foo: yes |
| 00:54.18 | beardy | ic1: Something.gz is most easily read with 'zless Something.gz' |
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| 00:54.21 | MasterYoda | ohh QrX could have used this http://art.gnome.org/faq.php |
| 00:54.49 | antgel | MX-5_Falkon: um, who told you to do that? This Is Debian. |
| 00:54.56 | thingfish | oh wait, I didn't see that first message of MX-5_Falkon's. |
| 00:55.23 | ic1 | antgel: i did not know about it and i have read almost every doc on debian.org!! i need a page that explains what all is in the different dirtectories /usr /bin /etc ...do you know of any? |
| 00:55.29 | thingfish | you should really never pretend to try and help out in #debian if you're both drinking bourbon and smoking a joint. |
| 00:55.29 | MX-5_Falkon | antgel: ? that's what I do so it gets my monitor info and whatnot correctly |
| 00:55.38 | beardy | ic1: man hier |
| 00:55.51 | antgel | MX-5_Falkon: and doesn't it work a treat |
| 00:55.52 | beardy | ic1: that will give you an overlook at least |
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| 00:56.02 | antgel | beardy: good one. i never knew that |
| 00:56.03 | ic1 | ahhh...is there a list somewhere that shows man * |
| 00:56.05 | ic1 | ?? |
| 00:56.19 | MX-5_Falkon | antgel: it would with xf86. |
| 00:56.22 | antgel | ic1: no, but take a look at man apropos |
| 00:56.43 | ic1 | thank you!! |
| 00:56.46 | antgel | MX-5_Falkon: This Is Debian. /msg dpkg drxx. /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 00:56.51 | ic1 | i did not know that even existed |
| 00:57.09 | sandman | Why does X require 300M of memory? |
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| 00:57.15 | sandman | Isn't that a bit much? |
| 00:57.19 | MX-5_Falkon | antgel: I could have sworn I'm running debian on this machine too, yet Xfree86 -config seems to work just fine |
| 00:57.23 | Guerin | sandman: it doesn't |
| 00:57.25 | antgel | ic1: apropos is a bit of an old school command. you have to kind of know what you're looking for |
| 00:57.25 | beardy | ic1: 'apropos file', for example, to search for manpages with that word in them |
| 00:57.34 | sandman | Guerin: Mine does. |
| 00:57.40 | antgel | MX-5_Falkon: that's nice |
| 00:57.41 | stew | hmm, we need an xorg md5 |
| 00:57.45 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.49 | Guerin | sandman: it doesn't REQUIRE it. It might use it if it's there, but... |
| 00:57.56 | antgel | sandman: it doesn't require it |
| 00:57.58 | ic1 | as in "man apropos apt" |
| 00:58.09 | MX-5_Falkon | antgel: so what was your point again? |
| 00:58.11 | beoba | 22b8905210ab76887d5766628c6f6e9a |
| 00:58.21 | Guerin | stew: xorg's md5 checking is fixed |
| 00:58.22 | beardy | ic1: 'apt-cache search something' can also point you in the right direction sometimes |
| 00:58.27 | nixUX | Is there any good debian kernel recompile tutorials? |
| 00:58.36 | Guerin | stew: it backs up the old and puts the new in place |
| 00:58.37 | sandman | nixUX: make-kpkg |
| 00:58.38 | ic1 | i did get that one from this chat the other day |
| 00:58.40 | sandman | nixUX: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 00:58.42 | antgel | !tell nixUX about reference |
| 00:58.45 | Guerin | nixUX: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:58.54 | antgel | nixUX: really, are you sure you want to? |
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| 00:59.10 | beardy | ic1: Perhaps I told you about apropos yesterday or something? |
| 00:59.14 | nixUX | yer, want to use some of the debian patches |
| 00:59.19 | stew | Guerin: hmm gravity included a patch i sent him in -10 that fixes the wording of the generated file about the md5 sum |
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| 00:59.27 | Guerin | stew: oh, ok. |
| 00:59.30 | ic1 | i think someone did but it didnt click |
| 00:59.32 | antgel | nixUX: the debian patches are in the debian images |
| 00:59.33 | rajeev | hello |
| 00:59.35 | stew | Guerin: but i dunno |
| 00:59.41 | ic1 | it makes sense more now after reading man man |
| 00:59.43 | ic1 | ;) |
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| 00:59.48 | Guerin | stew: by 'fixed' I mean something else |
| 01:00.04 | nixUX | antgel, like the debian framebuffer |
| 01:00.06 | ic1 | omg |
| 01:00.16 | ic1 | you are soo 1337 |
| 01:00.17 | rvalles | hm, other question |
| 01:00.25 | beardy | haha |
| 01:00.26 | anomaly | I have a gateway/firewall setup on wired ethernet, but hardware wise only, to make it a wireless gw/fw I would only need to replace the second nic with the wireless nic, correct? |
| 01:00.29 | ic1 | ::joking:: |
| 01:00.40 | antgel | nixUX: i have no idea what the debian framebuffer is but i admire you for having so much spare time |
| 01:00.46 | rvalles | how does Debian manage to poweroff the monitor when in text mode? |
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| 01:01.00 | stew | rvalles: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 01:01.20 | ic1 | anomoly: or use an ap |
| 01:01.21 | nixUX | antgel, the boot logo of debian in the framebuffer, it's one of the patches |
| 01:01.30 | ic1 | anamaly* |
| 01:01.42 | ic1 | shite!! anomaly** |
| 01:01.46 | thingfish | anomaly |
| 01:01.50 | antgel | nixUX: so let me get this straight. you want to compile a kernel to have an image there while you boot |
| 01:01.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:01.54 | sandman | If I'm just going to use vncservers on my VMs to access them, should I just go ahead and use linux-vserver? |
| 01:01.58 | nixUX | I can use it with vanilla kernel but want it on debian kernel |
| 01:02.02 | stew | anomaly: you should make sure to get one that supports master mode |
| 01:02.32 | stew | anomaly: not all driver/chipset combinations will become master on a network |
| 01:02.40 | nixUX | antgel, compiling kernels is no big deal, but dont know how debian kernel does it |
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| 01:02.52 | stew | anomaly: you might wanna ask #wireless for a recommended card |
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| 01:03.00 | anomaly | ic1 I have a linksys ap, actually. so, could I also just unplug the second nic from the hub and reconnect it to the linksys AP? :) |
| 01:03.06 | stew | nixUX: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 01:03.30 | nixUX | stew, thanks |
| 01:03.47 | ic1 | anomaly: funny, didnt realize what you were trying to accomplish... |
| 01:03.57 | foo | How can I setup the screen to not go blank? I thought it was like xset -blank 0 but I guess not ... any ideas? |
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| 01:04.22 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 01:04.34 | p4szczur | cya |
| 01:04.34 | anomaly | ic1 I have a wired network already using two nics and such. :) I would like to make it wireless. I have an old linksys AP I could use if it will work better than just replacing the second nic with a wireless card entirely. |
| 01:04.40 | ic1 | i use m0n0wall for that function but somtimes i will keep eth nics in the unit and put an AP on an interface...so i can mount the ap up on a wall or something |
| 01:04.44 | p4szczur | thanks for help |
| 01:05.16 | nixUX | ok, so can anyone explain why debain gives me 865Mb free memory, and other distros dont come near that? (more like -800Mb)? |
| 01:05.27 | nixUX | debian* |
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| 01:05.40 | ic1 | yes, that would probably be easier..as far as chipset compatibility and all, thats why i am here !! learning that stuff! |
| 01:05.41 | Guerin | nixUX: you were asking about this yesterday |
| 01:05.47 | nixUX | yes |
| 01:05.51 | Guerin | nixUX: could be any number of reasons |
| 01:05.57 | nixUX | ext3? |
| 01:06.07 | Guerin | not likely |
| 01:06.17 | antgel | nixUX: that's almost certainly *not* one |
| 01:06.29 | nixUX | I always used to use reiserfs |
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| 01:06.38 | antgel | nixUX: it could be the debian flux-capacitor |
| 01:06.43 | anomaly | ic1 so basically, I can just hook up the external AP and hardware wise I am good to go, I take it, |
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| 01:06.47 | anomaly | :) |
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| 01:07.18 | stew | nixUX: free memory, like right after booting? |
| 01:07.22 | stew | nixUX: or when? |
| 01:07.25 | nixUX | Debian kernel the way it's setup and loads modules? |
| 01:07.42 | thingfish | hehe "debian flux-capacitor" |
| 01:07.57 | ic1 | anomoly: yep, as long as your eth -> ap interface is pushing dhcp and all that yea |
| 01:08.03 | nixUX | free, after I boot to gnome and load up terminal, 865Mb free |
| 01:08.07 | beardy | nixUX: More likely the number of modules loaded, not how they are loaded. |
| 01:08.32 | stew | nixUX: then it means basically that debian has accessed less stuff on disk by the time that it gest to wherever you are comparing |
| 01:08.48 | stew | nixUX: and therefor less stuff is in cache |
| 01:08.56 | steigweis | CONFUSED: when i run gimp with "LANGUAGE=de_DE gimp" from console it starts correctly.. BBUT when i add the "LANGUAGE=de_DE gimp" line to the command field in the gnome application menu, there comes an error, that gimp could noct be found.. why? |
| 01:09.00 | steigweis | hi stew |
| 01:09.07 | steigweis | *steigweis ;) |
| 01:09.09 | sandman | My hdd is always being used. |
| 01:09.25 | sandman | And I can't figure out why. I'm not running anything. All I see is that X is using a massive amount of "VIRT" memory |
| 01:09.32 | nixUX | stew, load up gnome and then just open terminal and type free, thats all I do |
| 01:09.37 | antgel | sandman: top |
| 01:09.42 | ic1 | beardy: i am still having problems running smartmontools ...i can get the man page to come up either! i asked !dkpg ... anywhere else i can look? |
| 01:09.43 | anomaly | ic1 stew ty |
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| 01:09.58 | sandman | antgel: Yeah, I'm looking at it. I just see X, and the strangely large amount memory it looks like it's using |
| 01:10.01 | antgel | ic1: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc |
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| 01:10.19 | antgel | sandman: is it actually thrashing? |
| 01:10.19 | ic1 | antgel: i keep getting "not a valid directory" |
| 01:10.21 | beardy | ic1: what antgel said |
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| 01:10.26 | stew | nixUX: right, debian must be accessing less stuff on the disk before you get there which is why less stuff is cache, i'm guessing the cached column at the end of "free" output is the thing that is most different |
| 01:10.34 | antgel | ic1: then i suggest you Sort It Out |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | antgel: you never sleep! |
| 01:10.57 | beardy | ic1: TAB is your friend. 'cd /usr/share/doc/smartm<TAB>' |
| 01:10.57 | thingfish | look who's talking. |
| 01:10.59 | stew | steigweis: create a script that runs "LANGUAGE=de_DE gimp" and have your menu item run that script |
| 01:11.15 | steigweis | *omg* |
| 01:11.17 | ic1 | hmm...i have no share directory!! |
| 01:11.18 | stew | steigweis: or do you just want to change your locale to de_DE system wide? |
| 01:11.19 | steigweis | thats it |
| 01:11.26 | antgel | abrotman: indeed. soon etc. worked 24 hours the the weekend transplanting a customer exchange box with a Debian box |
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| 01:11.34 | steigweis | no, i only want to change gimp |
| 01:11.35 | antgel | !drumroll antgel |
| 01:11.37 | thingfish | ooo |
| 01:11.38 | nixUX | stew, SuSE was second with 835Mb free, the rest like slackware, ubuntu were below 800Mb free |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. fun .. but why on the weekend ? |
| 01:12.01 | stew | nixUX: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 01:12.08 | Guerin | nixUX: the wuestion is WHY DO YOU CARE? |
| 01:12.20 | nixUX | I'm interested |
| 01:12.22 | abrotman | Guerin: more room for gamp ? |
| 01:12.24 | antgel | abrotman: because their shit server with 2crap3 and excockhange finally died after weeks of threatening to. |
| 01:12.26 | beardy | ic1: share directory? |
| 01:12.49 | thingfish | people just don't believe you when you tell them their hardware is dying. |
| 01:12.49 | mytruehero | sorry, to be asking this question again, but I'm still having trouble. how can I connect to screen 0 with a vnc client? is there some kind of daemon I can run on the hose that will let me connect? |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | antgel: ah .. lovely .. i thought you had planned to do it over the weekend :) |
| 01:12.56 | stew | nixUX: if you use any of the systems for a while and they are function correctly they should all end up in a steady state of about 0 memory free, as all of the free memory should eventauly be used as disk cache |
| 01:12.59 | mytruehero | host* |
| 01:12.59 | beardy | nixUX: It's like stew told you. |
| 01:13.02 | ic1 | beardy: /usr/share |
| 01:13.04 | nixUX | Guerin, I not complaining, i'm interested and curious |
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| 01:13.21 | ic1 | nm .. i was typing wrong!! |
| 01:13.27 | ic1 | gay keyboard |
| 01:13.27 | antgel | abrotman: we've been taking the piss out of the adverts for <usa>intel xeon</usa>, and debating whether it makes any difference as most buyers have no idea about processor internals. |
| 01:13.31 | nixUX | stew, I see |
| 01:13.32 | beardy | ic1: of course you have that |
| 01:13.36 | Guerin | if he's showing ~800MB free, he's probably already reading -cache/buffer |
| 01:13.36 | thingfish | ...um |
| 01:13.46 | antgel | abrotman: this box is a xeon. i record a 100% shitness rating haha |
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| 01:14.19 | nixUX | who said gnome was bloated?, lol :-) |
| 01:14.20 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 01:14.22 | beardy | ic1: ehm, ask dpkg about gay |
| 01:14.24 | bob2 | no need to be rude |
| 01:14.32 | thingfish | thank you, beardy. |
| 01:14.33 | ic1 | really, why? |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | antgel: i suspect the drives! |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | thingfish: do you get the fedora-legacy emails ? |
| 01:14.47 | Guerin | ic1: how can a keyboard have sexual orientation? |
| 01:14.47 | ic1 | omg |
| 01:14.51 | ic1 | thats funny |
| 01:14.56 | thingfish | abrotman: oh no. |
| 01:15.02 | antgel | abrotman: where were you when we needed your insight? |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | thingfish: you used to be a fedora person . right ? |
| 01:15.08 | abrotman | antgel: boston |
| 01:15.14 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, but it's been a year. |
| 01:15.16 | ic1 | Guerin: when the spacebar his homoginized |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | thingfish: i know .. let me see if i can find it |
| 01:15.28 | antgel | abrotman: led zeppelin |
| 01:15.31 | Guerin | ic1: made of one kind of gin? |
| 01:15.36 | Guerin | i don't geddit |
| 01:15.38 | thingfish | and I never subscribed to fedora-legacy. |
| 01:15.42 | nixUX | will SELinux be in the next debian kernel by default? |
| 01:15.57 | Guerin | nixUX: yes, because it's in the current one |
| 01:16.15 | nixUX | i'm running 3.1 and it's not |
| 01:16.21 | thingfish | "legacy" is kind of anti-fedora thinking. |
| 01:16.23 | abrotman | antgel: no .. Boston .. the city! |
| 01:16.24 | Guerin | nixUX: that's not the current one. |
| 01:16.31 | beardy | ic1: When in doubt, hit TAB. |
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| 01:16.38 | antgel | abrotman: i know :) |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | thingfish: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-announce/2005-November/msg00002.html .. just wonderful .. eh? :) |
| 01:16.54 | thingfish | man do I *not* miss fedora. although the #fedora community is really swell. |
| 01:17.02 | ic1 | wow...there are very extensive documents on /usr/share/doc (i was typing docs*) |
| 01:17.07 | nixUX | Guerin, how do you define current in Debian? |
| 01:17.24 | ic1 | yea i heard fedora is liek ....win xp replacement |
| 01:17.24 | Guerin | nixUX: depends on context. |
| 01:17.29 | antgel | thingfish: funny that you don't miss something that has no reason for being :) |
| 01:17.30 | thingfish | hehehe |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | ic1: and they put them all there for *you* .. aren't you special :) |
| 01:17.35 | nixUX | I'm new to Debian |
| 01:17.39 | Wyzard | nixUX: He means the 2.6.14 kernel in unstable |
| 01:17.40 | thingfish | antgel: sure |
| 01:17.47 | antgel | !tell nixUX about grounding |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | thingfish: did you read that ? |
| 01:17.57 | Guerin | nixUX: most of the kernels since sarge's release have had sel in |
| 01:18.02 | thingfish | abrotman: yes |
| 01:18.02 | lightbright | nixie: welcome :) |
| 01:18.06 | Wyzard | nixUX: sarge does not support SELinux, and having it in your kernel won't help -- the userspace tools need to support it too |
| 01:18.11 | ic1 | i think fedora is a way to not scare off MOUSERS! with a nice neat gui |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | aw fuck .. it came back |
| 01:18.14 | Guerin | nixUX: it was considered too big a deal for sarge |
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| 01:18.18 | lightbright | nixie: be patient and you will learn to love Debian |
| 01:18.27 | antgel | abrotman: i have stuff in /usr/share/doc too! |
| 01:18.29 | nixUX | yer, selinux is a BIG job |
| 01:18.31 | wireddd | usb storage problems - http://channels.debian.net/paste/1109 |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | antgel: did you hack his box ? |
| 01:18.43 | antgel | abrotman: they're like, docs! |
| 01:18.45 | beardy | dpkg: grounding is also /msg dpkg reference |
| 01:18.45 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 01:18.55 | nixUX | lightbright, :-) |
| 01:18.57 | antgel | abrotman: does a bear shit in the woods? |
| 01:19.01 | abrotman | beardy: and fundamentals and refcard and newbieguide |
| 01:19.09 | stew | depends on the type of bear? |
| 01:19.10 | Ronin | damn it, that drive seg faults even in knoppix |
| 01:19.13 | lightbright | nixie: :) |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | antgel: well .. tbh .. i don't usually watch animals crap |
| 01:19.22 | Wyzard | Ronin: A hard drive segfaults? |
| 01:19.31 | antgel | abrotman: prude |
| 01:19.32 | thingfish | antgel: but red hat needs a bank of free testers to work out the bugs on their prototype rhel releases. |
| 01:19.36 | lightbright | nixie: I struggled for 4 weeks and now I love it! Would never give up Debian :) |
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| 01:19.38 | Ronin | technically no Wyzard but the end result is the same |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | antgel: though .. have you ever seen an elephant shit? |
| 01:19.48 | sandman | antgel: I never got that joke. "Does a bear shit in the woods?" |
| 01:19.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:19.50 | sandman | NEver got it |
| 01:19.55 | antgel | abrotman: yep |
| 01:20.13 | nixUX | lightbright, I thought I loved Slackware bu debian is the best so far |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | antgel: the most .. violent bodliy activity i've ever seen :) |
| 01:20.25 | Guerin | sandman: just answer the question. |
| 01:20.28 | antgel | abrotman: i've got lots of programs in /usr/bin as well! |
| 01:20.30 | Guerin | sandman: does it? |
| 01:20.32 | Ronin | Wyzard: trying to pull some data off a bad drive using knoppix as the battered drive wont boot |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | is there a reason lightbright can't hit nixUX instead of nixie ? |
| 01:20.36 | sandman | Guerin: Yes |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | or are they the same ? |
| 01:20.39 | thingfish | Debian GNU/Linux is as good as "linux" gets. |
| 01:20.49 | nixUX | heh |
| 01:20.49 | Guerin | sandman: there's the answer to the question answered by the question. |
| 01:20.52 | beardy | hmm |
| 01:20.56 | beardy | !newbieguide |
| 01:21.05 | beardy | seems nonexistent |
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| 01:21.06 | thingfish | even sid is better than a lot of distro's current stable release. |
| 01:21.11 | sandman | Guerin: What if I said no? |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | beardy: hrm .. let me find it |
| 01:21.17 | thingfish | oops *distros' |
| 01:21.18 | lightbright | nixie: I tried Slackware 10.1 and I chose Debian any day :) |
| 01:21.19 | Guerin | sandman: you'd be wrong. |
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| 01:21.30 | abrotman | beardy: newbiedoc |
| 01:21.36 | thingfish | and sarge is the very definition of stable. |
| 01:21.36 | beardy | abrotman: ah |
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| 01:21.43 | lightbright | thingfish Debian GNU/Linux is as good as "linux" gets. <--- :) |
| 01:21.46 | sandman | Guerin: I have a pet bear. He shits in my wife's laundry. |
| 01:21.49 | muhoo | favourite brand of DLTIV tapes? HP? Imation? Sony? |
| 01:21.51 | sandman | Guerin: What then? |
| 01:21.57 | nixUX | So is there something going off between ubuntu and debian, I got the idea there was! |
| 01:21.58 | loke- | hello |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | fbi: make it stop! |
| 01:22.03 | antgel | Guerin: unless it lives in the zoo |
| 01:22.08 | Guerin | sandman: he's not the archetypal bear. |
| 01:22.10 | ic1 | i need a newbiedoc damnit! wtf ! how do i open a .gz file?? |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | nixUX: going off ? |
| 01:22.14 | sandman | Guerin: What about the zoo? |
| 01:22.20 | Guerin | sandman: he's not the archetypal bear either. |
| 01:22.21 | sandman | Guerin: Or how about a deforested area? |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | ic1: zless is one way |
| 01:22.25 | bob2 | ic1: gunzip blah.gz... |
| 01:22.26 | antgel | ic1: most. zless. beardy told you before |
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| 01:22.30 | sandman | Guerin: How about arctic bears |
| 01:22.32 | thingfish | nixUX: it's that debian hates ubuntu for being a rip-off pansy distro. |
| 01:22.39 | nixUX | like ubuntu is highjacking debian or something? |
| 01:22.43 | sandman | polar bears |
| 01:22.45 | Guerin | sandman: not the archetypal bear. |
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| 01:22.48 | abrotman | nixUX: they cannot .. they are a fork of debian |
| 01:22.52 | ic1 | thnks |
| 01:22.55 | antgel | bob2: he's in /usr/share/doc. we're breaking new boundaries here |
| 01:22.56 | muhoo | pansy? it's based on debian, but so is just about any distro that doesn't suck :-) |
| 01:22.56 | jade | what do i need to apt-get install for cups printing? |
| 01:22.58 | Guerin | nixUX: sane people don't think that |
| 01:22.59 | stew | nixUX: how could they possibly hijack it? |
| 01:23.12 | foo | What do I need to get to get the "Windows Printer via SAMBA" in localhost:631 on debian? |
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| 01:23.30 | antgel | jade: apt-cache search cups |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | jade: cups-sys i think |
| 01:23.34 | thingfish | mark shuttlesworth should have just paid each and every DD $100,000.00 U.S. |
| 01:23.43 | sandman | Everybody forks off Debian |
| 01:23.46 | jade | thanks |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | not everyone .. there are many "forks" of the older RH distros |
| 01:24.14 | stew | fork you |
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| 01:24.17 | abrotman | i'm not sure if any use it for a base anymore |
| 01:24.23 | nixUX | stew, I dont know, thats just the felling I got, is it unfounded? |
| 01:24.29 | nixUX | feeling* |
| 01:24.35 | muhoo | they use apt-get, and dpkg, basically. |
| 01:24.49 | beardy | !grounding |
| 01:24.50 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto, /msg dpkg docs, /msg dpkg unix lessons, /msg dpkg reference, /msg dpkg fundamentals, /msg dpkg newbiedoc, /msg dpkg refcard |
| 01:24.50 | muhoo | they don't adhere to DFSG, most of them. |
| 01:24.51 | stew | nixUX: well what do you mean by hijack? |
| 01:25.03 | thingfish | nixUX: we serve ubuntu users on a stick in the Debian cafe. |
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| 01:25.14 | overlade | hi all |
| 01:25.25 | majnoon | hi overlade |
| 01:25.31 | nixUX | Ubuntu has the latest and greatest packages/releases, Debian seems to do more testing |
| 01:25.31 | abrotman | beardy: s/,/ &/ ? |
| 01:25.34 | enveezee | Rawplayer: test |
| 01:25.37 | thingfish | bah |
| 01:25.39 | muhoo | ok, well too much feces flinging here right now. thanks. |
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| 01:25.47 | enveezee | o_O |
| 01:25.49 | thingfish | yay! |
| 01:25.50 | overlade | hello majnoon , i have a problem with my kde , can you help me plz ? |
| 01:25.52 | Wyzard | nixUX: Ubuntu is a Debian derivative with a different focus: a convenient and current desktop system rather than a rock-solid server-class system |
| 01:26.05 | lightbright | Wyzard: well said :) |
| 01:26.15 | beardy | abrotman: perhaps.. or a bunch of Also ask me about <this>, <that>? |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: but debina makes a fine desktop |
| 01:26.28 | thingfish | it sure does. |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | beardy: up to you |
| 01:27.02 | Wyzard | abrotman: Depends on how much trouble you're willing to go through... I run unstable and I'm OK with it, but that's not a good solution for the typical user |
| 01:27.19 | overlade | majnoon: im looking in http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ , and i can see , kde 3.5 was release ! , how i do to upgrade to 3.5 ? iput |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: i run testing .. it's fine for me |
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| 01:27.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: except that testing is the last to get security patches :-) |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | overlade: ask #debian-kde ? |
| 01:27.48 | thingfish | I use sarge and it's *perfect* for me. |
| 01:27.50 | enveezee | !sns syndrome |
| 01:27.50 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 01:27.55 | overlade | majnoon: i put the source http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/3.5.0 etc ... in my sourceS.list ? and apt-get update ? |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: you mean other than windows ? |
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| 01:28.08 | thingfish | I just don't have any tolerance any more for bugs and shortcomings. |
| 01:28.09 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:28.12 | nixUX | stew, I suppose what I mean by "highjack" is ubuntu has latest packages which seem to be stable, yet debian has older releases, highjacking users off debian? |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: that doesn't concern me as a desktop .. on servers yes |
| 01:28.37 | Guerin | nixUX: debian has never been about playing the popularity game |
| 01:28.39 | overlade | abrotman: a debian-kde channel ^o) ? |
| 01:28.49 | Wyzard | overlade: Did you read the WARNING-README.txt file on that site? |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | wtf is ^o) ? |
| 01:28.53 | Koal1 | Hello |
| 01:28.54 | hellkat | I've been having problems with Liveice-Xmms to send music to my Icecast2 server does anyone have any reccomendations as to what I should use (possablya is an alternatate) |
| 01:29.07 | Guerin | abrotman: cyclops with a bump on the head |
| 01:29.09 | overlade | Wyzard: no :'( |
| 01:29.16 | overlade | abrotman: lol is a smiley |
| 01:29.29 | stew | nixUX: they are just going after different users, and the ubuntu changes that are worthwhile make it back into debian |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | from what kind of animal ? |
| 01:29.33 | thingfish | yeah, ubuntu hijacks users off debian...how many are in #ubuntu, and how many are in #debian? and how many in #ubuntu will end up in #debian begging for help? |
| 01:29.37 | stew | nixUX: did knoppix hijack debian? |
| 01:29.47 | b4rt | i dont like the way ubuntu forces you into the gstreamer way of playing multimedia though, sarge is much more versatile |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | is knoppix dead yet? |
| 01:29.53 | Guerin | did mandrake hijack red hat? |
| 01:29.54 | overlade | abrotman : ^^ |
| 01:30.00 | nixUX | I dont know |
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| 01:30.06 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. thankfully .. it killed it :) |
| 01:30.13 | [A]Flamethrower | hello everyone. |
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| 01:30.23 | Koal1 | Have anyone tired to reboot your machine with xfce's or Gnome's reboot button? |
| 01:30.29 | overlade | heelo [A]Flamethrower |
| 01:30.39 | Wyzard | Koal1: You mean the reboot option in the logout dialog? |
| 01:30.42 | Guerin | Koal1: i bet the person who made that button did |
| 01:30.46 | nixUX | Debain packages seem to be more audited, ubuntu are missing pgp sigs and stuff like that |
| 01:30.47 | Wyzard | Koal1: I've done it several times today on my laptop |
| 01:30.53 | [A]Flamethrower | I'm still in the process of getting my video card to work properly, but what are the main differences between the i386, i686, and the k7 kernel images? |
| 01:31.05 | ice_1963 | install gdm or kdm lol |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: what's your CPU ? |
| 01:31.08 | Koal1 | Wyzard: Yes |
| 01:31.19 | stew | nixUX: none of the ubuntu packages are missing sigs, they wouldn't make it to the repositories if they were |
| 01:31.22 | thingfish | Debian has got it down, people - Debian turns it out! Debian's FIERCE! |
| 01:31.24 | [A]Flamethrower | I'm on an AMD64 right now. |
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| 01:31.32 | b4rt | Koal1: you need to setup sudo in a way that they describe with a :nopasswd option to work correctly |
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| 01:31.35 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: and you're on sarge ? |
| 01:31.39 | Koal1 | Wyzard: How did you install your desktop? |
| 01:31.40 | [A]Flamethrower | However, I don't have the experience to chroot a 32-bit distro. Yes. |
| 01:31.43 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: 386 is generic intel or clone; 686 intel pentium-pro or higher; k7 is amd duron or higher |
| 01:31.44 | [A]Flamethrower | I am on sarge. |
| 01:31.45 | thingfish | that's from the Debian Next Top Model. |
| 01:31.59 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: apt-cache search kernel-image k8 |
| 01:32.00 | Wyzard | Koal1: With the installer CD... I'm not sure how that relates to logging out of GNOME |
| 01:32.03 | nixUX | stew, I used to get errors alot when tesing it and that happened alot |
| 01:32.18 | nixUX | same with Fedora |
| 01:32.19 | [A]Flamethrower | Abrotman, those are the 64-bit kernels... I don't have the experience needed for setting one up. |
| 01:32.21 | Koal1 | Wyzard: nopasswd with sudo? |
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| 01:32.31 | [A]Flamethrower | What are the performance differences between i386/i686/k7? |
| 01:32.33 | Wyzard | Koal1: sudo isn't involved at all |
| 01:32.38 | thingfish | fedora is a thinly held together bug collection. |
| 01:32.40 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: marginal |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: it's ok .. use it anyways .. you'll be fine |
| 01:32.43 | hellkat | Does anyone have any reccomendations as to what I should use as a DSP to DJ my Icecast2 server? |
| 01:32.47 | Wyzard | Koal1: Maybe it is if you aren't using GDM, I dunno |
| 01:32.55 | thingfish | !fedora |
| 01:32.56 | dpkg | fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
| 01:33.21 | cowlover | ok, i just installed gnome via apt, do i start it with gnome-session? |
| 01:33.24 | hellkat | !dsp |
| 01:33.24 | dpkg | i heard dsp is (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of ... |
| 01:33.25 | thingfish | yeah well it's also a thinly held-together bug collection. |
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| 01:33.31 | Koal1 | Wyzard, I'm using GDM with XFCE4 and I cannot restart it with XFCE4's button |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | cowlover: you installed gdm too ? |
| 01:33.33 | nixUX | Fedora, is overarted and broken |
| 01:33.38 | nixUX | sorry :-) |
| 01:33.46 | [A]Flamethrower | Thx Abrot. |
| 01:33.49 | apogee_XL | repp_hello |
| 01:33.51 | [A]Flamethrower | Ok, about the video card now. |
| 01:33.51 | Guerin | can we stop whining about other distros now? |
| 01:33.59 | Wyzard | Koal1: You asked about GNOME, not XFCE... I haven't used XFCE |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | Guerin: your distro sucks! |
| 01:34.00 | thingfish | sorry, Guerin. |
| 01:34.05 | thingfish | it is gauche. |
| 01:34.25 | cowlover | abrotman : just used apt-get install gnome |
| 01:34.25 | hellkat | We dont need to fight, Every distro is better than windows, and thats all we should care about. |
| 01:34.27 | hellkat | Even SCO Unix |
| 01:34.34 | thingfish | it's just I have so much pent-up resentment against it. |
| 01:34.36 | hellkat | its gnome2, actuially |
| 01:34.38 | [A]Flamethrower | I've installed the drivers properly, and X server cannot start. It keeps telling me in the error logs that an undefined screen is found on an undefined device, though the XFree86 config file shows my monitor and video card. |
| 01:34.40 | b4rt | koal1: i think you must have xfce4-session installed which may conflict with gdm |
| 01:34.40 | Koal1 | Wyzard, I though they were similar ... anyway thanks ^^ |
| 01:34.42 | apogee_XL | repp_as you maybe remember ,you suggested to download the latest testing distro to get support for my VIA S23 Unichrome VGA |
| 01:34.44 | cowlover | sorry, aptitude gnome install |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | cowlover: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:34.56 | ice_1963 | xfce4 you need to loge out first |
| 01:34.58 | stew | hellkat: i shouldn't really care how they compare to windows |
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| 01:35.05 | apogee_XL | repp_guess what, it is NOT supported |
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| 01:35.11 | abrotman | cowlover: wait . did you install x-window-system-core or x-window-system ? |
| 01:35.16 | Koal1 | b4rt, xfce4-session does conflict with gdm? |
| 01:35.17 | thingfish | cowlover: aptitude install gnome |
| 01:35.28 | cowlover | yea |
| 01:35.30 | magyar | i have two onboard nics one is an e1000 and the other is an sk98lin. The kernel spontaneusly decides which one will be eth0. Someday e1000 the other its ak98lin. Is there a way in debian to assign eth0 a module and eth1 the other? |
| 01:35.32 | apogee_XL | repp_so much about pretending to an expert..... |
| 01:35.35 | hellkat | stew: Thats true, most of my friends make fun of my love for linux, I keep using it because its so stable |
| 01:35.44 | Guerin | magyar: nameif |
| 01:35.52 | cowlover | abrotman : neither, all i did was install gnomes |
| 01:35.53 | cowlover | gnome |
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| 01:35.58 | [A]Flamethrower | Anyone able to help me with the video card problem? |
| 01:36.00 | magyar | Guerin, thank you |
| 01:36.02 | Guerin | magyar: or force one module to be loaded first by putting them in /etc/modutils/ |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | cowlover: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 01:36.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:36.05 | apogee_XL | repp_next time you think soemone its newbie ,think twice |
| 01:36.06 | cowlover | gdm doesn't exist in /etc/init.d |
| 01:36.07 | Guerin | /etc/modules |
| 01:36.08 | abrotman | cowlover: or aptitude .. whichever |
| 01:36.14 | Koal1 | ice_1963: thanks. I can restart it that way but I want to know the other one |
| 01:36.17 | rvalles | Err http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.80.133 80] |
| 01:36.20 | Roxport | screen question: how to go from split screen to full screen? |
| 01:36.21 | rvalles | no security for unstable :? |
| 01:36.25 | abrotman | cowlover: aptitude install gnome gdm x-window-system-core |
| 01:36.32 | b4rt | koal1: I used it without any *dm, and it rebooted and shutdown right from xfce4 |
| 01:36.33 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: 1. take the [ off from your nick; 2. detail your problem. |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | rvalles: duh .. no |
| 01:36.39 | nixUX | hellkat, next time it BSOD on them like my uncles lad then show them :-) |
| 01:36.40 | thingfish | rvalles: none other than what the maintainers work into their releases. |
| 01:36.41 | magyar | Guerin, roger |
| 01:36.45 | rvalles | but each time I want to install something, it bitches about not being able to check security |
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| 01:36.49 | Flamethrower | I have, Guerin. |
| 01:36.51 | rvalles | how do I disable that? |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | rvalles: with # |
| 01:37.00 | blabla33 | hello all.. |
| 01:37.10 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 01:37.11 | blabla33 | I need help please with install grub to mbr |
| 01:37.15 | Ronin | rvalles: exit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:37.22 | Koal1 | b4rt: Oh really? I'll try uninstall *dm then. |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | edit ? |
| 01:37.24 | Guerin | Flamethrower: still trying to use nvidia? |
| 01:37.27 | rvalles | Ronin: yeah, I done that already and disabled that line |
| 01:37.27 | cowlover | abrotman : ta |
| 01:37.28 | rvalles | still... |
| 01:37.35 | Guerin | Flamethrower: the driver, I mean |
| 01:37.36 | Flamethrower | Xserver is unable to start. In the log, it says that an undefined screen was found on an undefined display device, and that it could not be used. My video card and monitor are showing in the Xfree86 config file, though. |
| 01:37.45 | Flamethrower | I'm using 7676, I believe. |
| 01:37.49 | rvalles | each time I try to install something |
| 01:37.51 | rvalles | it bitches |
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| 01:37.56 | rvalles | and I have to type "Yes" |
| 01:37.58 | Guerin | Flamethrower: does it work with nv? |
| 01:37.58 | Flamethrower | I've tried the debian way and the nVidia installer. Neither seem to work. |
| 01:38.03 | Flamethrower | No, guerin. |
| 01:38.04 | rvalles | for it to continue without the proper security checkings |
| 01:38.10 | Guerin | Flamethrower: try it. |
| 01:38.12 | abrotman | !tell rvalles about apt-secure |
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| 01:38.19 | Guerin | rvalles: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:38.21 | b4rt | Koal1: but you will have to set it up, look under /etc/xfce4 and the man pages for xfce4-session |
| 01:38.27 | blabla33 | I have dual boot, xp and debian.. I reinstalled xp, and it delete my grub.. so now I boot with knopix v4, and I type "grub", but I dont know what to do now... |
| 01:38.38 | Flamethrower | I've tried nv. It's the open-source 2d nvidia driver set. Doesn't work. |
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| 01:39.15 | Guerin | !fibmbr |
| 01:39.18 | Guerin | !fixmbr |
| 01:39.19 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
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| 01:39.52 | b4rt | blabla33: boot with your knoppix and chroot to your system root |
| 01:40.04 | bullweivelz | permissinos question... What bit needs to be set on a directory in order to cd to it???? |
| 01:40.05 | Lextier | Is it just me or shoudn't the Debian developers push the packages apache, php and openssl and upgrade it to the newer versions to stable due to security holes. |
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| 01:40.09 | Guerin | Flamethrower: same error? |
| 01:40.09 | lightbright | does Gnome have a file manager where I can browse files and copy from one place to another etc, that is similar to Konqueror that has 2 split windows? |
| 01:40.13 | blabla33 | 10x I will try |
| 01:40.14 | psychonate | Whenever I try to add audio files or import a playlist for an audio disc in Arson, it freezes up (on Testing). Does anyone else have this problem? |
| 01:40.18 | nixUX | I just feel at home with debian, strainge |
| 01:40.19 | asg | Lextier: the fixes are backported |
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| 01:40.30 | psychonate | I'd use K3B, but I no longer see it in Testing heh |
| 01:40.33 | Flamethrower | Yes, Guerin. Same error. |
| 01:40.39 | Lextier | asg you mean when you run apt-get update |
| 01:40.42 | Guerin | Flamethrower: how about vesa? |
| 01:40.59 | Flamethrower | I'll give Vesa a shot. |
| 01:40.59 | asg | Lextier: yes, provided you have security sources (which you should have if you run stable or testing) |
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| 01:41.26 | foo | What do I need to get to get the "Windows Printer via SAMBA" in localhost:631 on debian? |
| 01:41.29 | psychonate | It seems to have problems bringing up its little file browser for those purposes. |
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| 01:41.54 | nixUX | lightbright, gnome browser tree view |
| 01:41.58 | Ronin | must be confusing for you foo |
| 01:42.10 | ice_1963 | how come k3b is not in testing?? |
| 01:42.16 | Guerin | Flamethrower: if nv doesn't work, i doubt vesa will |
| 01:42.17 | foo | Ronin: err, I just can't figure out which package it is. I have done it before ... just cannot find which one |
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| 01:42.19 | b4rt | foo: no, you would setup a printer under samba and tell it you are running cups |
| 01:42.19 | asg | ice_1963: /msg dpkg whiy k3b not in testing |
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| 01:42.36 | foo | b4rt: I've done it this way before... |
| 01:42.37 | Flamethrower | I doubt it will as well. |
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| 01:42.40 | nixUX | nautilus browser/tree view |
| 01:42.41 | fedex_ | Hi guys, any of you using Samba with LDAP backend in Debian Sarge? My slapd process crashes almost once per day and I think I've stepped on this bug too: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314461 |
| 01:42.45 | psychonate | Or if no one knows what the problem is, can someone recommend another GUI burning app, that supports normalize and decoding of vorbis, mp3, and FLAC? |
| 01:42.48 | Guerin | Flamethrower: have you had this card working under any other linux distro? |
| 01:42.50 | dtb | is there a way i can find out which packages are installed on a deb box? or which ones still have config files left behind after removal? |
| 01:42.51 | lightbright | nixUX: your nick would make a good name for a distro :) and whats the program called that does the tree view? |
| 01:42.52 | ice_1963 | ok i will |
| 01:42.57 | Ronin | i meant asking in both channels at once |
| 01:43.10 | asg | dtb: dpkg -la | egrep ^[hi]i |
| 01:43.10 | nixUX | lightbright, nautilus |
| 01:43.18 | Ronin | i know its confusing for me but im and old fart so thats to be expected |
| 01:43.23 | foo | Ronin: Yeah, I just can't figure this out... I don't see a problem with asking in two channels on two networks. |
| 01:43.25 | Flamethrower | No, guerin. |
| 01:43.26 | foo | Ronin: ahhh |
| 01:43.34 | Flamethrower | Debian is the only linux distro I've tried on this system. |
| 01:43.35 | dtb | ta muchly |
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| 01:43.37 | psychonate | ice_1963, I too would like to know why K3B is no longer in testing. |
| 01:43.49 | lightbright | nixUX: ah ok, so if I chose tree view in nautilus it will be similar to Konqeuror in KDE? |
| 01:43.51 | nixUX | lightbright, nautilus browser mode has tree view like MS explorer |
| 01:43.56 | b4rt | psychonate: i think k3b does |
| 01:44.01 | lightbright | nixUX: ok thanls |
| 01:44.15 | Guerin | Flamethrower: failing everything else, try the full instructions in /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 01:44.17 | psychonate | b4rt, er, K3B knows why its not in Testing heh? |
| 01:44.23 | Guerin | Flamethrower: it might magically do it all for you |
| 01:44.31 | Flamethrower | Heh, alright. |
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| 01:44.53 | praetus | hello room |
| 01:44.57 | asg | !room |
| 01:44.58 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:45.07 | nixUX | I love spartus mode, or whatever the proper spelling is :-) |
| 01:45.12 | lightbright | nixUX: I dont see a tree view option in my nautilus |
| 01:45.18 | b4rt | psychonate: have you entered security repository into your sources.list? |
| 01:45.25 | Guerin | Flamethrower: otherwise i'm not sure what to say. You might try manually specifying refresh rates and so on, but it sounds like thre video device itself isn't configurable - generally there IS no config necessary for them. |
| 01:45.51 | nixUX | lightbright, right click you home icon/browse folder |
| 01:45.56 | psychonate | deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:45.59 | psychonate | b4rt, that one? |
| 01:46.02 | Flamethrower | Hmm. |
| 01:46.13 | Flamethrower | This 6600GT works fine under windows. I wonder why it won't under Debian. |
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| 01:46.27 | praetus | i've got a problem with a module ... i'm trying to get debian 3.1 up on my Dell 700m ... when i try to make my ipw2200 source files i get an error that i need to have crypto_config ... is that in the menuconfig?? if so where? otherwise where do i get this?? |
| 01:46.36 | live | yo |
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| 01:46.38 | ic1 | what does the (1) is less(1) mean? |
| 01:46.42 | live | is n'e one running xebain? |
| 01:46.43 | asg | ic1: section 1 |
| 01:46.45 | asg | ic1: man man |
| 01:46.46 | live | on the xbox? |
| 01:46.47 | praetus | oh DOH the 6600gt doesn't work with debian? i just picked up two of them for my desktop ... :( |
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| 01:46.50 | cowlover | when manually selection the video driver when setting up x-window, which one is comptabile with nvidia? |
| 01:47.01 | cowlover | is it the 'nv' driver? |
| 01:47.06 | stew | cowlover: nv |
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| 01:47.11 | ic1 | asg: thanks!! |
| 01:47.12 | b4rt | psychonate: i would imagine that it would be in the security repositories, but i don't use testing, so i am not sure |
| 01:47.12 | cowlover | ta |
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| 01:47.13 | Flamethrower | Doesn't look like they do, Praetus. |
| 01:47.15 | asg | ic1: you're welcome |
| 01:47.33 | praetus | totally lame .. oh well .. anyone got any input on my crypto_config problem? |
| 01:47.43 | nixUX | praetus, vesa will work and then just install the nvidia driver |
| 01:47.50 | praetus | oh ok |
| 01:47.53 | praetus | good to know thanks ;) |
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| 01:48.12 | asg | praetus: are you following the instructions in '/msg dpkg ipw2200'? |
| 01:48.12 | Guerin | Flamethrower: I blame nvidia. |
| 01:48.13 | Kerr | Gnea: are ya' awake/alive/caffinated ? Was wondering if i could continue to pick your brains apart with questions on networking my laptop. |
| 01:48.17 | psychonate | b4rt, I dunno. I used to have it installed, but it was explicitly removed in a dist-upgrade, and I have not seen a K3B package available again in Testing since then. |
| 01:48.18 | kingsley | Updated reports of #debian's so called "temperature" are at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc. Feedback is welcome. |
| 01:48.29 | asg | kingsley: temperature? |
| 01:48.37 | Guerin | asg: the amount of cussin' |
| 01:48.40 | nixUX | Guerin, most people do and they do it unfounded |
| 01:48.41 | cowlover | ok, so i installed gdm , gnome and x-window system, how i start gnome? gnome-session? |
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| 01:48.50 | quiet | umm.. I just dist-upgraded (with aptitude) to testing.. and i get the GPG error.. i don't remember how to fix it... and I only have base installed right now. |
| 01:48.55 | asg | Guerin: oh for fuck's sake. |
| 01:49.01 | live | hey im like super super new to this whole linux thing is there like a file viewing program that i could get for this like there is exploreer for windows is there somting like thiat for debain? |
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| 01:49.04 | stew | quiet: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:49.06 | Guerin | nixUX: eh? |
| 01:49.13 | nixUX | Guerin, blame nvidia |
| 01:49.32 | b4rt | psychonate: strange, thats why a stay with stable until i can't stand it, so i don't have to deal with supprises that often |
| 01:49.34 | Guerin | nixUX: it's totally founded. They're the only ones who can release a new driver, and they haven't. |
| 01:49.35 | praetus | asg: no i was using a tut i found on line ... http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/notes/dell700m.html |
| 01:49.38 | kingsley | asg: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 01:49.39 | praetus | ill check that out thanks |
| 01:49.53 | stew | live: there are many, mc, gentoo, konqueror, nautilus, ... apt-cache search file manager |
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| 01:50.14 | asg | praetus: try /msg dpkg ipw2200 first |
| 01:50.18 | nixUX | Guerin, the driver works fine and most of the time it's not nvidia's fault |
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| 01:50.21 | psychonate | b4rt, Testing is normally pretty good, but I just understand a) why K3b isn't available any longer and b) why arson is no longer working correctly for me. |
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| 01:50.29 | cowlover | nevermind , got it :) |
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| 01:50.44 | psychonate | b4rt, those are the only two decent burners I know too :( |
| 01:50.49 | overlade | hello again ! , where can i find the source of kde 3.4.3 plz ? :'( |
| 01:51.19 | chealer | overlade: ask #debian-kde/#kde |
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| 01:51.24 | nixUX | Guerin, NVIDIA have solived countless issue with people blaming on them, alot down to kernel bugs, misconfigured kernels and buggy bios's |
| 01:51.30 | asg | kingsley: guidelines != rules. There are times when the word 'fuck' is eminently applicable. |
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| 01:51.34 | b4rt | psychonate: testing is still rather young, and usually is very sparse, you may want to pin unstable into the mix to get other stuff |
| 01:51.38 | overlade | thanks chealer |
| 01:51.46 | nixUX | Fedora been sone |
| 01:51.51 | nixUX | one* |
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| 01:52.54 | blabla33 | grub-install hd0 --> the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 01:53.03 | blabla33 | :S |
| 01:53.05 | rubio23 | hi, i have an odd question... please dont think wrong about me... somebody hacked my hotmail/msn account and now i cant get it back... any idea how to take it over again??? I know this is not the place to ask for it, but i dont know whereelse to ask |
| 01:53.06 | quiet | stew... gpg == command not found... apt-get install gpg == no installation candidate |
| 01:53.13 | asg | quiet: gnupg |
| 01:53.16 | quiet | ah.. thx |
| 01:53.21 | asg | quiet: you're welcome |
| 01:53.24 | Flamethrower | If anything, blame ATI |
| 01:53.32 | blabla33 | I chroot to my / partition and then type it |
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| 01:54.00 | ice_1963 | don't use hot male |
| 01:54.06 | balzac | rubio23, i think you're screwed |
| 01:54.26 | stew | quiet: you aren't running debian testing then |
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| 01:54.36 | Flamethrower | rubio23, there is a 'password recovery' service for a reason. If you can't get that to work, you're bent over the minibar without lube. |
| 01:54.38 | asg | ice_1963: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config || eximconfig |
| 01:55.09 | rubio23 | Flamethrower: the person who hacked my account also changed the "secret" answer |
| 01:55.12 | stew | quiet: oh, nm me |
| 01:55.20 | Flamethrower | rubio23, yer screwed. |
| 01:55.22 | stew | i thought apt required gnupg, it only suggests it |
| 01:55.34 | ice_1963 | why |
| 01:55.40 | balzac | rubio23, how did that happen? btw, here's another approach for you, get a new email address, send a message to your old account and ask for it back from who has it. |
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| 01:56.16 | Elly | uh-oh: |
| 01:56.17 | Elly | elly@moria:~$ host www.google.com |
| 01:56.17 | Elly | host: symbol lookup error: host: undefined symbol: isc_net_pton |
| 01:56.35 | enveezee | yay! Capital One must have sensed I needed a new credit card.. they sent me a platinum this time.. though it still feels like plastic *shrug* :P |
| 01:56.41 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:56.44 | asg | rubio23: you're only solution is to contact the provider, plead your case and hopefully have enough evidence for them to believe you. |
| 01:56.51 | asg | s/you're/your/ |
| 01:56.53 | balzac | rubio23 probably just wants to hack email |
| 01:57.07 | rubio23 | balzac: I dont know how it happened... maybe some easy to answer secret question |
| 01:57.10 | asg | !apostrophesmite asg |
| 01:57.12 | Kerr | rubio23: You actually -want- hotmail? .. eh, i could give you a gmail invite if you don't have one? won't help in reclaimingthough, for that you're best listening to asg. |
| 01:57.27 | enveezee | time to buy a fucking pc :P |
| 01:57.37 | Elly | pick a non-obvious password next time |
| 01:57.39 | enveezee | too bad my starting credit limit wont cover it |
| 01:57.40 | Flamethrower | Kerr, I've had no problems with hotmail. |
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| 01:57.43 | Elly | wait |
| 01:57.48 | Elly | is it even possible to change the secret answer? |
| 01:57.56 | Flamethrower | I do not believe so. |
| 01:58.01 | rubio23 | Kerr: i want it back basically because all my contact's in messenger |
| 01:58.27 | balzac | i've screwed up my package management system. I installed something outside of synaptic and now synaptic wants to uninstall a bunch of core packages |
| 01:58.33 | enveezee | oh well by time I can actually afford a PC my credit limit will raise |
| 01:58.58 | Kerr | Flamethrower: tbh my main problem with hotmail was that it's cluttered with unused accounts. i don't want to be kerr2452@ whatever, gmail is new enough still to get a decent username :) |
| 01:59.08 | balzac | i'm afraid to let synaptic do what it wants to do, but i can't use synaptic to install anything else till i fix my broken packages |
| 01:59.22 | Flamethrower | Ahh. I made tvirus_nemesis@hotmail.com four years ago. |
| 01:59.49 | Kerr | hmm.. scratch that |
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| 02:00.05 | balzac | jk |
| 02:00.07 | Flamethrower | Don't bother :P |
| 02:00.10 | Flamethrower | I don't check junk mail |
| 02:00.12 | Kerr | my main problem is my inbox vaporising every month i don't check it, and constantly being full of spam. |
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| 02:00.21 | chealer | balzac: how did you install "something"? what packages are concerned? |
| 02:00.21 | dragan | i installed nvidia drivers as on: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html... |
| 02:00.23 | Kerr | ~.~ |
| 02:00.26 | bogoblip | balzac: installing outside debian can hose it quick, try force-all installing |
| 02:00.26 | aomighty | is this a good place to discuss how to begin debian development? |
| 02:00.55 | dragan | but i get a left piece of my screen missing :-( |
| 02:00.56 | asg | aomighty: if you're read the new maintainer guide and debian reference, then not really |
| 02:01.05 | asg | aomighty: if you haven't, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 02:01.12 | aomighty | where is the debian reference? i read the new maintainer guide |
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| 02:01.24 | asg | aomighty: apt-cache search debian reference |
| 02:01.34 | asg | aomighty: oh, and join the debian-devel mailing list and lurk |
| 02:01.39 | dragan | any ideas?? |
| 02:01.41 | stew | balzac: don't listen to bogoblip you should alomst never --force anything, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 02:01.55 | balzac | i installed libc6, libopenexr2 and a renderer called yafray |
| 02:02.02 | ottoaim | Hi, I'm an idiot having trouble with dmix I followed this guide http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin but I cannot here gaim sounds with aim running. Two instances of aplay work alright |
| 02:02.05 | itp560 | how can I findout vim compilation flags ? |
| 02:02.13 | balzac | the latest build of yafray required these two unstable packages |
| 02:02.17 | asg | itp560: get the source package and look in debian/rules |
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| 02:02.22 | ottoaim | errr gaim sounds with xmms even |
| 02:02.24 | balzac | it was idiotic, but now i have to clean up |
| 02:02.34 | aomighty | asg: yes, ive been lurking on the message boards for a while. i will look at the reference |
| 02:02.36 | chealer | balzac: but *how* did you install them? |
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| 02:02.55 | balzac | chealer, dpkg |
| 02:03.13 | itp560 | asg, how can I unpack a deb |
| 02:03.20 | chealer | balzac: dpkg -i foo? that shouldn't be a problem for synaptic/apt |
| 02:03.22 | asg | aomighty: that reference is pretty comprehensive. Also, Martin Krafft's book is worth looking at (not a plug, it's very good) |
| 02:03.27 | balzac | ok, i'm looking into equivs |
| 02:03.28 | asg | itp560: ar x <foo.deb> |
| 02:03.29 | marty | question, how do i get a tower to go to sleep like a laptop does |
| 02:03.43 | itp560 | asg, thanks |
| 02:03.44 | stew | balzac: no equivs isn't right if you installed them with dpkg |
| 02:03.47 | asg | itp560: you're welcome |
| 02:03.56 | stew | balzac: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:03.56 | marty | saving the screen and open programs and not logging out, but powering off |
| 02:04.07 | stew | balzac: you want /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:04.15 | bogoblip | itp560: acpid |
| 02:04.19 | enveezee | I may consider getting a bank account.. I don't know though.. I dont trust that business.. the only reason I got a credit card is to shop online and pay bills |
| 02:04.20 | balzac | stew it's *cough*ubuntu*cough* |
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| 02:04.42 | stew | balzac: wrong channel |
| 02:04.46 | Ronin | balzac: never mind heh |
| 02:04.51 | asg | balzac: doesn't ubuntu have backport sources though? If those don't work, simple sid backport should. |
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| 02:05.05 | cheef-daniel | hi |
| 02:05.08 | balzac | ok, thanks |
| 02:05.19 | balzac | i'll look into ubuntu backport |
| 02:05.21 | cheef-daniel | I have some problems to add a user to a group |
| 02:05.32 | asg | cheef-daniel: please tell us what the error is |
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| 02:05.43 | cheef-daniel | sure |
| 02:05.46 | marty | question repeat, is there a way to get a tower to go to sleep like a laptop does |
| 02:05.56 | marty | ? |
| 02:05.58 | chealer | dragan: Debian only offers you a way to install the drivers. from the moment X started with the nvidia driver, Debian can't help more. if you're lucky #nvidia might help |
| 02:06.02 | blabla33 | grub-install /dev/sda --> the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly , what should I do please? |
| 02:06.04 | balzac | i may switch to debian ultimately, but ubuntu sent free CDs in the mail! |
| 02:06.11 | bogoblip | marty: acpid |
| 02:06.11 | asg | marty: configure the kernel for software suspend |
| 02:06.20 | marty | thanks |
| 02:06.47 | cowlover | when i try to run locate <filename> it gives an error message saying that it cannot find locatedb, how can i correct this problem? |
| 02:06.59 | LostAngel | updatedb |
| 02:07.09 | cheef-daniel | I have added a user to /etc/groups but 'groups username' shows only the usergroup and not that group I added the user too |
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| 02:07.21 | cowlover | ta |
| 02:07.27 | LostAngel | np |
| 02:07.28 | marty | how do i go about reconfiguring the kernel? |
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| 02:07.36 | cheef-daniel | and if I chgrp a folder, the user has no permission |
| 02:07.40 | marty | do i need to start the computer on a knoppix cd? |
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| 02:07.49 | marty | or can i do it while i'm running? |
| 02:08.44 | beardy | marty: Yes, of course you can, and should, if you should. Why do you need to? |
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| 02:08.49 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: that is because chgrp will reset permissions |
| 02:09.10 | asg | bogoblip: chmod resets permissions, chgrp only changes group ownership |
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| 02:09.24 | marty | beardy: i'm recompiling for acpid support, so i can do software suspend |
| 02:09.24 | cheef-daniel | but I added the user to group which I chowned |
| 02:09.40 | beardy | marty: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:09.52 | marty | and it will do it while i'm running? |
| 02:09.55 | blabla33 | someone please? :S |
| 02:10.08 | beardy | marty: And that is not available in the stock kernels? |
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| 02:10.10 | marty | and will recompile with software suspend support? |
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| 02:10.18 | typewriter | whats the path for README.debian files for pkgs you installed? |
| 02:10.24 | bogoblip | asg: it will reset other groups that members may belong to also |
| 02:10.27 | marty | it is, but i've already installed, and am adding it after the fact |
| 02:10.53 | beardy | typewriter: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 02:10.58 | marty | is there a way i should just add a piece to the kernel rather than recompiling? |
| 02:11.18 | asg | marty: for sofware suspend? no. |
| 02:11.25 | marty | ok |
| 02:11.32 | beardy | marty: Yes, you could just compile a module, but perhaps not in this case. |
| 02:11.39 | foo | I am in localhost:631 and I try to print a test page and it doesn't work .. I don't see the job under active jobs after I try to print ... I've checked the logs, nothing. Any ideas? I am on debian |
| 02:11.41 | cheef-daniel | but how can I specify then the users that can access a folder? |
| 02:11.48 | marty | ok |
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| 02:12.14 | marty | so, /msg dpkg kp will lead me through it? or is there something special i need to know |
| 02:12.15 | marty | ? |
| 02:12.36 | jewel | where can I find out which GCC is best to use for compiling a kernel, can I use GCC 4.0.2? |
| 02:12.53 | bogoblip | i would use groupadd instead |
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| 02:13.05 | marty | asg or beardy any sugestions? |
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| 02:13.09 | nixUX | jewel, there is no "best" default is good |
| 02:13.21 | asg | jewel: if you are compiling debian sources, the build-depends will take care of that. If you are compiling vanilla sources, read the Documentation/* |
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| 02:13.42 | asg | marty: well, are you trying to get a desktop system to hibernate like a laptop? |
| 02:13.45 | beardy | marty: Well, if you really want it, of course you could do it, but why not just shutdown the machine, or keep it up? |
| 02:13.49 | marty | yes i am |
| 02:13.57 | marty | asg |
| 02:14.38 | jewel | which 3.3 GCC is best, I have 3.3.6 |
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| 02:15.12 | asg | marty: there are kernel patches on sourceforge (google for the full URL) These will allow you, hopefully, to do what you want. However, it takes work, time, and generally isn't as effective as either a) leaving the box up or b) shutting it down and restarting as needed. |
| 02:15.13 | bob2 | there is no best |
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| 02:15.19 | Sagan | Why i get the message Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ?? |
| 02:15.28 | beardy | !suspend |
| 02:15.28 | dpkg | well, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 02:15.30 | bob2 | because DRI is not enabled |
| 02:15.31 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: you can adduser user group |
| 02:15.40 | bob2 | tell us your card and what you're trying to run |
| 02:16.06 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: and you can adduser previous-user group |
| 02:16.07 | asg | ace of spades? win lots of money? |
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| 02:16.27 | asg | !nickometer r00t_d3b14n |
| 02:16.28 | dpkg | 'r00t_d3b14n' is 99.9285% lame, asg |
| 02:17.14 | r00t_d3b14n | suck me |
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| 02:17.31 | beardy | r00t_d3b14n: you suck? |
| 02:17.46 | r00t_d3b14n | ah tua irmĂŁ ... |
| 02:17.59 | dpkg-2 | !nickometer dpkg-2 |
| 02:18.01 | cheef-daniel | bogoblip: I know but thats not working, too: the usergroup is added to /etc/groups but the user is not added to the group in /etc/groups |
| 02:18.10 | dpkg-2 | :( |
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| 02:18.26 | smacnay | how does one see which packages have been put on hold from the command line? I remember putting 2 on hold from the command line but forget how I did it. |
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| 02:19.15 | Flamethrower | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for dpkg-2 is 19.000%, dpkg-2 |
| 02:19.25 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: try adduser previous-user group |
| 02:19.26 | beardy | a .br.. |
| 02:19.36 | cheef-daniel | yes tryed it |
| 02:19.40 | ottoaim | !nickometer ottoaim |
| 02:19.47 | cheef-daniel | same problem |
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| 02:19.49 | Flamethrower | !nickometer ottoaim |
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| 02:19.54 | Flamethrower | Damn you |
| 02:19.57 | Flamethrower | !nickometer ottoaim |
| 02:19.58 | ottoaim | haha |
| 02:20.11 | Flamethrower | !nickometer Flamethrower |
| 02:20.15 | Flamethrower | 62% |
| 02:20.16 | Flamethrower | YAAY |
| 02:20.22 | dragonfly | if i download a file with a .iso.sha1 file extension can i rename it to just .iso and use it as such? |
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| 02:20.43 | beardy | dragonfly: Look at it's size and think about it. |
| 02:20.51 | shirocn | somebody speak spanish ??? |
| 02:20.54 | cheef-daniel | bogoblip: the user is then not added to the group in /etc/groups |
| 02:20.57 | beardy | !es |
| 02:20.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:21.00 | sparr_ | ive got a debian packaged kernel image (2.6.14-1-k7) and im trying to install the ppscsi modules. i installed the ppscsi-source package and used m-a a-i to build the modules. now when i try to modprobe the new module i get an Unknown symbol error. Help? |
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| 02:21.53 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: I just did it and it worked in my group |
| 02:21.54 | shirocn | dpkg : thank you!!! |
| 02:22.06 | dvs | !shut up |
| 02:22.06 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 02:22.15 | shirocn | .... |
| 02:22.16 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: I went adduser john audio, and it added him to the audio group |
| 02:22.21 | beardy | dragonfly: (No, it sounds like a checksum file.) |
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| 02:23.01 | cheef-daniel | yes I did the same, but the user was only added to /etc/passwd and /etc/groups, but not to the groupname in /etc/groups |
| 02:23.03 | dragonfly | ok, stupid question |
| 02:23.14 | bucky | what works Nigel ? |
| 02:23.19 | dragonfly | i didn't see the file sizes, but once i looked i understood |
| 02:23.31 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: do not confuse 'adduser' and 'useradd' |
| 02:23.38 | dragonfly | ....now i just have to find a ftp server that has the files i want and not just the .hsa1 files |
| 02:23.39 | beardy | dragonfly: If you learnt from it, it wasn't stupid. |
| 02:23.53 | cheef-daniel | I did it with adduser |
| 02:24.14 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: 'adduser foo bar' does not touch /etc/passwd |
| 02:24.26 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: so i don't know what you did, but it wasn't adduser |
| 02:24.36 | cheef-daniel | sur but not on debian |
| 02:24.42 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: yes on debian |
| 02:24.55 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: it adds 'foo' to the 'bar' group, by adding him to the group line in /etc/groups |
| 02:25.09 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: now I have audio:x:26:fred,john |
| 02:25.12 | m4lu7 | hrmm. slightly offtopic, but i must ask... aside from removing printk()'s from kernel sources, any body know an easy way of completely silencing boot process? |
| 02:25.12 | cheef-daniel | <-- using arm-distribution |
| 02:25.30 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: it shouldn't make a difference *what* distribution you're using |
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| 02:25.35 | beardy | There is no /etc/groups, the file is /etc/group |
| 02:26.03 | cheef-daniel | beardy: you're right I mean /etc/group |
| 02:26.09 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: i see no reason why adduser would write to /etc/passwd -- it wouldn't do anything towards adding a user to a group |
| 02:27.03 | cheef-daniel | but it does |
| 02:27.04 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: unless you're invoking it with different parameters |
| 02:27.18 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: in the two-arg form 'adduser x y', it adds x to group y, and that's it |
| 02:27.22 | cheef-daniel | I wrote 'adduser daniel scanner' |
| 02:27.38 | SerajewelKS | then "daniel" should be in the "scanner" group |
| 02:27.41 | cheef-daniel | the user is added to passwd and group |
| 02:27.50 | SerajewelKS | did "daniel" exist beforehand? |
| 02:27.54 | cheef-daniel | scanner was an example |
| 02:27.58 | cheef-daniel | no |
| 02:28.02 | SerajewelKS | that's probably why then |
| 02:28.21 | SerajewelKS | i thought you were using a user that did exists, and were wondering why it was modifying /etc/passwd |
| 02:28.26 | SerajewelKS | s/exists/exist/ |
| 02:28.48 | stew | if daniel doesn't exist adduser daniel scanner would return an error |
| 02:28.55 | stew | and not touch either file |
| 02:29.09 | cheef-daniel | no: it adds the user to /etc/passwd automatic |
| 02:29.16 | SerajewelKS | stew: i thought it *should* do that |
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| 02:29.23 | stew | cheef-daniel: what version of adduser are you talking about? |
| 02:29.42 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: and if you use groupadd, group user, it will wipe out any group that that user was in before, so be careful |
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| 02:30.01 | stew | cheef-daniel: becuase i just tested it in sarge etch and sid and all three returned an error |
| 02:30.13 | rage | Hey, my machine has multiple NICs, is there an easy way I can identify to with eth0/1/2 they are mapped too? Each is a different brand, lspci reports a different name for each one |
| 02:30.27 | cheef-daniel | when I do the same thing with a user that I have added manual to /etc/passwd, adduser says: "adduser: user1: login already in use" |
| 02:30.39 | SerajewelKS | rage: ping out one and see which light blinks? |
| 02:30.52 | stew | cheef-daniel: when you say "adduser user1 groupname"? |
| 02:30.59 | stew | cheef-daniel: are you running debian? |
| 02:31.00 | cheef-daniel | yes |
| 02:31.03 | cheef-daniel | no |
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| 02:31.07 | rage | I havent got all of them configured yet SerajewelKS |
| 02:31.07 | stew | go away |
| 02:31.10 | Ronin | yes or no? |
| 02:31.30 | cheef-daniel | no I run something other, but its like debian |
| 02:31.37 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: the assumption is that if you are in #debian talking about how things work, you are using debian |
| 02:31.42 | Ronin | so its not then, cheef-daniel may i suggest the proper channel |
| 02:31.45 | stew | cheef-daniel: unless you have a debian related question, please move on |
| 02:31.53 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: if adduser does something that weird, you are most certainly *not* using anything "like debian" |
| 02:31.56 | beardy | cheef-daniel: please ask in #something other instead then |
| 02:32.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 02:32.13 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 02:32.13 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:32.41 | Ronin | i think that point got well made |
| 02:32.42 | beardy | It can't even be based on.. |
| 02:32.51 | cheef-daniel | I asked in that channel and they say it's the same command like in other distris |
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| 02:33.03 | stew | !they don't know |
| 02:33.03 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:33.06 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: change your disto, you won't be sorry |
| 02:33.12 | deadcat | cheef-daniel: then ask there |
| 02:34.16 | deadcat | just because i dress this way does NOT make me a whore! |
| 02:34.25 | cheef-daniel | ok thanks for your help, but before I starteted that question I sayed that I dont use debian, I have debian here but the problem is on the other distri |
| 02:34.27 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: so basically, either debian or "that distro" have an unofficial adduser program |
| 02:34.43 | deadcat | cheef-daniel: no. we know you DONT have debian now |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:34.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:35.01 | cheef-daniel | on my debian it works |
| 02:35.04 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: just because you're asking from a debian box doesn't mean you can ask things about non-debian linux =) |
| 02:35.06 | deadcat | cheef-daniel: and fuck adduser, use useradd |
| 02:35.18 | asg | cheef-daniel: or just use vipw |
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| 02:35.30 | SerajewelKS | cheef-daniel: or vi |
| 02:35.33 | bogoblip | cheef-daniel: debian is administration king |
| 02:35.44 | SerajewelKS | asg: is vipw vi? |
| 02:35.49 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: kinna like user have a unix shell on some remote server. they apparently uses unix/linux |
| 02:35.51 | asg | SerajewelKS: safer to use vipw (for locking and minimal checking) |
| 02:36.08 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: more or less, yeah |
| 02:36.26 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: i actually got my first shell account after i installed linux.. so then i already knew what i was doing :> |
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| 02:36.30 | deadcat | i find useradd more useful than adduser |
| 02:36.37 | beardy | is more or less vi? |
| 02:36.39 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: hehe. |
| 02:36.44 | da9000 | quick question: i'm trying to copy a file that's not named in any meaning ful language (to me at least, all I see is \343\354\285 etc), to a FAT32 partition + getting an error ("cannot create regular file". Any ideas how to get around that? (other than renaming it, i wanna keep the name) |
| 02:36.49 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: useradd will clobber pre-existing groups though... |
| 02:36.53 | asg | beardy: /msg dpkg be ed |
| 02:36.59 | deadcat | beardy: no. less is better than more (= |
| 02:37.06 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: adduser is a quick'n'easy way to say "put me in group fuse" with minimal hassle |
| 02:37.06 | bogoblip | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.07 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: -G |
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| 02:37.25 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: true about adding groups though. well. usermod maybe hehe |
| 02:37.43 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: but when it comes to adding users, useradd is better. |
| 02:37.51 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: oh absolutely |
| 02:37.51 | beardy | asg: who is ed? |
| 02:38.00 | asg | !ed |
| 02:38.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 02:38.09 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: adduser for me is simply the 'make sure x is in the y group too' command.. everthing else is useradd or groupadd |
| 02:38.11 | beardy | yes, but dpkg only said ? |
| 02:38.32 | beardy | "?" |
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| 02:38.32 | asg | beardy: yes, that's the joke |
| 02:38.33 | bogoblip | deadcat: useradd is old, along with groupadd |
| 02:38.33 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ya. adduser is nice to add to groups |
| 02:38.37 | asg | beardy: type '/bin/ed' |
| 02:38.43 | deadcat | bogoblip: if you can make adduser to dont interactive on me. let me know how |
| 02:38.43 | beardy | asg: ah :) |
| 02:38.51 | asg | beardy: 'q' to quit so you can read the manpage ;) |
| 02:39.16 | bogoblip | deadcat: and groupadd will clear the user out of any group they happen to belong too |
| 02:39.17 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: does fuse complain about /dev/fuse? |
| 02:39.31 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: not on my system, why? |
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| 02:39.40 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i get that error |
| 02:39.45 | quiet | okay.. new problem.. i had it before.. but I forgot how to fix it.. startx doesn't work and tells me that there is no /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice i remember i needed to load like.. 2 modules.. and echo them into modules.conf or something... but I forgot it... someone help please? |
| 02:39.55 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: check perms? should be rwxrwx--- root fuse |
| 02:39.55 | asg | quiet: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 02:39.58 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: it used to work. and now i have some files i cant get back (= |
| 02:40.04 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: the file is not there. |
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| 02:40.11 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: oh wait |
| 02:40.17 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: i don't have /dev/fuse =) |
| 02:40.35 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: iirc, fuse got rid of the /dev/fuse thing and now it's implemented with system calls |
| 02:40.45 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: just now? |
| 02:40.52 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: a while back |
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| 02:41.00 | deadcat | what.? its not working for me. |
| 02:41.15 | deadcat | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 02:41.17 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: maybe rebuild the fuse module? |
| 02:41.18 | quiet | thank you asg |
| 02:41.21 | bogoblip | quiet: sounds like you may have an xauthority issue - can you startx from root? |
| 02:41.24 | asg | quiet: you're welcome |
| 02:41.25 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: or update fuse-utils? =) |
| 02:41.27 | Voot | does anyone know why KDE 3.4 makes my CDROM activity light blink for no reason? |
| 02:41.30 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 02:41.40 | asg | bogoblip: it's the same 2.6 mouse modules issue he had a few nights ago |
| 02:41.44 | SerajewelKS | !info fuse-utils etch |
| 02:41.51 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.3.0-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 02:42.00 | quiet | asg: wasn't me a few nights ago. |
| 02:42.06 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: fuse-utils 2.4.0-1 on my sid machine |
| 02:42.09 | quiet | i had it a few months ago. :) |
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| 02:42.14 | bucky | Voot: it polls the device to see if there is a cd in it |
| 02:42.20 | asg | quiet: someone with a similar name then ;) |
| 02:42.21 | SerajewelKS | Voot: probably the kde autorun daemon |
| 02:42.21 | cheef-daniel | I know nobody cares but my adduser command was of the tinylogin utility |
| 02:42.25 | bucky | Voot: for automount |
| 02:42.26 | deadcat | let me get an older version of fuse-utils |
| 02:42.42 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: *shrug* maybe it's broken |
| 02:42.46 | quiet | asg: ahh.. okay heh. |
| 02:42.48 | deadcat | probably |
| 02:43.13 | Voot | bucky, SerajewelKS, thanks! You wouldn't know off hand how to disable the polling, would you? |
| 02:43.18 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: imho encfs and sshfs are the most useful linux things to come around in a while =) |
| 02:43.32 | SerajewelKS | Voot: ps ax | grep autorun #and kill off the daemon =) |
| 02:43.40 | Voot | lol |
| 02:43.50 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i am using dmcrypt actually. but sometimes i need just few files so fuse is very useful |
| 02:43.51 | SerajewelKS | Voot: look in your autostart folder for the desktop file |
| 02:44.03 | SerajewelKS | Voot: ~/.kde/Autostart or somesuch |
| 02:44.16 | Voot | hmm...so its actually a daemon |
| 02:44.29 | Voot | alright that should give me enough fodder for action |
| 02:44.33 | Voot | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 02:44.37 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: yeah my encfs vault's size fluctuates, so encfs is nice.. doesn't hog unused space or require me to grow the image |
| 02:44.49 | SerajewelKS | Voot: if the file isn't there, then they changed something in 3.4 |
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| 02:45.03 | bullweivelz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.06 | SerajewelKS | Voot: in that case look under peripherals in the control center.. maybe it'll be there |
| 02:45.07 | Voot | i just upgraded and compiled 2.6.14 |
| 02:45.07 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: true |
| 02:45.13 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: you need to have execute permissions |
| 02:45.14 | asg | bullweivelz: +x |
| 02:45.38 | praetus | bullweivelz: for the right users ;) |
| 02:45.47 | Voot | strangely enough, the problem did not exist in 2.4 kernels |
| 02:45.50 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: fuse is just nifty though.. i wrote a few fses of my own with it =) |
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| 02:45.58 | Voot | oh i have another pet peive: mouse speed |
| 02:46.07 | asg | Voot: man xset |
| 02:46.08 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: fses? |
| 02:46.16 | SerajewelKS | Voot: shoul also be under peripherals > mouse |
| 02:46.16 | Falkon | argh, I'm about to have a coronary. When I set up my partitions, I forgot to make a partition for /tmp. Is there any way to go back in and split the last part of /usr off for tmp? I'm sure the end of /usr isn't being used |
| 02:46.26 | SerajewelKS | Falkon: parted |
| 02:46.32 | asg | Falkon: parted |
| 02:46.33 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: filesystems |
| 02:46.46 | Voot | asg, SerajewelKS yes, i know of that, but i have several mouse devices. The pointing stick and touchpad are at the right speed, but the USB mouse is off the wall fast |
| 02:46.47 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: actually i am using the latest source, still fails |
| 02:46.54 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: :< |
| 02:46.57 | deadcat | shit |
| 02:47.00 | bullweivelz | on the permissions question... for the right user... so does that mean just the user or the group.... or i imagine it doesnt matter????? As long as the user falls into either the group or user. |
| 02:47.18 | SerajewelKS | Voot: dunno then.. i only have one pointing device |
| 02:47.20 | Falkon | SerajewelKS: is there any way to tell if data is on the last parts of the partitions? |
| 02:47.34 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: it means that whoever you want to be able to cd into the folder needs +x |
| 02:47.52 | asg | Voot: the only time I've seen a mouse get speedy without cause is when two mouse InputDevice stanzas existed in /etc/X11/XF86Config* or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:47.57 | SerajewelKS | Falkon: parted will move it when it resizes, if there is anyu |
| 02:47.59 | SerajewelKS | any* |
| 02:48.02 | elad3 | night all :) |
| 02:48.05 | Falkon | thank you |
| 02:48.07 | SerajewelKS | Falkon: you can't just "chop off" part of a partition |
| 02:48.08 | asg | Voot: other than that, I don't know |
| 02:48.13 | elad3 | I am getting the message "There are differences between boot sector and its backup" while booting my machine as given below. Can anybody help me solve this problem? |
| 02:48.17 | bullweivelz | SerajewelKS: so its a user defined function then...so the user must be set and the group does not matter??? |
| 02:48.22 | SerajewelKS | Falkon: because the filesystem headers will include the size of the partition and stuff like that |
| 02:48.30 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: no |
| 02:48.36 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: do you understand unix permissions at all? |
| 02:48.48 | bogoblip | bullweivelz: users have permissions, so do groups |
| 02:48.49 | Voot | SerajewelKS, the daemon that is doing the polling is a KDE service that can be stopped from Control Center::KDE Components::Service Manager::Startup Services::KDED Media Manager |
| 02:48.52 | Voot | just FYI |
| 02:48.52 | smacnay | \me loves console... |
| 02:48.55 | smacnay | oops |
| 02:49.06 | asg | !wikifaq bullweivelz Permissions |
| 02:49.07 | dpkg | bullweivelz: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:49.08 | SerajewelKS | Voot: thanks.. will need to disable that when i upgrade =) |
| 02:49.08 | smacnay | I do, though |
| 02:49.10 | elad3 | , 77:20/00, 78:20/00, 79:20/00, 80:20/00, 81:20/00, 90:33/f6, 91:c9/f |
| 02:49.40 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i get this after downgrading encfs-util |
| 02:49.42 | deadcat | fusermount: unknown option -- |
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| 02:49.52 | deadcat | when i do encfs ~/.encfs ~/encfs |
| 02:49.56 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: are you on sid? |
| 02:50.05 | deadcat | ya |
| 02:50.10 | Voot | asg, i think that mine sped up because of a change in the USB HID implementation in the kernel |
| 02:50.11 | bullweivelz | SerajewelKS: yes i understand permissions...i suppose im trying to dig to deep. As long as the users group or the users permissions are +x then they should be able to cd to the directoy |
| 02:50.13 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: good luck then, i'm on etch =) |
| 02:50.21 | asg | Voot: ah, okay. |
| 02:50.21 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: yes |
| 02:50.33 | deadcat | damn. was working when fuse first came out |
| 02:50.36 | Voot | asg, but i'm not sure how to decrease mouse acceleration per device in the xorg.conf file |
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| 02:50.53 | Voot | asg, PS/2 devices are easy, but USB devices follow a different schema |
| 02:50.54 | elad3 | anyone? |
| 02:50.56 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: +x means they can cd, +r means they can get a list of files, and +w means they can make files |
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| 02:51.21 | SerajewelKS | bullweivelz: so if a user only has +x on a directory, they can cd to it, but ls will say "permission denied" if they try to look at the contents |
| 02:51.26 | deadcat | Voot: cant you just use xset to do it? |
| 02:51.27 | asg | Voot: see if there isn't an oper to pass to the kernel module (/sbin/modinfo <module>). I doubt there is but it doesn't hurt to check. |
| 02:51.39 | bogoblip | bullweivelz: by default they are one in the same, the user and the group - if you change a users to one group and set the permissions to that folder to that group, then the group will have access |
| 02:51.42 | Voot | asg, good point |
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| 02:51.59 | Voot | deadcat, i could use xset, but it would change the speed on all three pointing devices; i only want to change the speed of one |
| 02:52.05 | sparr_ | I have a parallel scanner working via the ppscsi and onscsi modules. root can use the scanner, my users cannot. How can I give the users permission to access the scanner? |
| 02:52.28 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:52.42 | asg | sparr_: grep scanner /etc/group. If there *is* a scanner group, adduser <user> scanner. logout. login. use scanner |
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| 02:53.53 | cheef-daniel | sparr_: if /etc/group is not working when you do a ADDUSER edit /etc/gshadow |
| 02:54.31 | cheef-daniel | why nobody says me that there could be a /etc/gshadow, instead of /etc/group |
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| 02:54.45 | asg | cheef-daniel: that's going to cause problems. use groupadd, addgroup or vigr. |
| 02:54.49 | elad3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.49 | elad3 | 1) Copy original to backup |
| 02:54.49 | elad3 | 2) Copy backup to original |
| 02:54.49 | elad3 | 3) No action |
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| 02:54.59 | cheef-daniel | thats why my adduser dosnt work with /etc/group |
| 02:55.00 | asg | s/vigr/vipw/ |
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| 02:55.02 | elad3 | opss sorry.. |
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| 02:56.35 | aomighty | does anyone know: if you become a developer, do you need to be running unstable? or can you do it on testing or stable? |
| 02:57.07 | asg | aomighty: you have to run unstable, obviously, for development. |
| 02:57.32 | aomighty | how unstable is it? i dont quite want to break my system lol |
| 02:57.33 | asg | aomighty: some DDs do provide stable backports, though unofficially |
| 02:57.38 | asg | aomighty: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 02:58.40 | asg | aomighty: many developers use chroots and clean build systems, though, to guarantee builds in pristine containers. |
| 02:59.55 | peterS | aomighty: yeah, you need to be running unstable, or you won't be able to test your own packages before uploading them |
| 02:59.57 | aomighty | lol, the document is scary |
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| 03:00.02 | peterS | and that's considered a Bad Thing |
| 03:00.20 | aomighty | makes me think my system will die instantly upon switching to unstable lol! |
| 03:00.26 | asg | peterS: s/Bad/Good/ |
| 03:00.49 | asg | peterS: nevermind, reference to the wrong line |
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| 03:01.25 | peterS | aomighty: yeah, probably will. unstable has this "stress test your hard drive" thing it installs immediately by default in order to wear out your drive so you can see whether your backups are working well |
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| 03:01.57 | aomighty | peterS: lol. are they just trying to cover blame, or does it really break a lot? |
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| 03:02.13 | sparr_ | asg, cheef-daniel: thanks |
| 03:02.19 | peterS | aomighty: then there's the cute "see if the monitor can be tricked into trying to run at 130 kHz horizontal" app which is designed to find out whether your monitor warranty will be honored |
| 03:02.34 | asg | sparr_: you're welcome |
| 03:03.07 | peterS | aomighty: and we mustn't forget the "see if the sound card really has its full dynamic range and pitch range" applet |
| 03:03.12 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: what tools were you saying you have for encfs?? |
| 03:03.47 | aomighty | peterS: :) |
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| 03:03.51 | peterS | aomighty: and that wonderful "turn on the floppy and CDROM motors and leave them on until power down" tester |
| 03:04.33 | stew | and a new 2.6 kernel |
| 03:04.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: 2.7! |
| 03:04.45 | stew | yeah? |
| 03:04.55 | aomighty | peterS: not very reassuring lol |
| 03:05.10 | peterS | aomighty: I hope you didn't believe a word I've said all night |
| 03:05.14 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah. We stole it from SCO. |
| 03:05.18 | stew | sweet |
| 03:05.25 | stew | does it support true transparancy? |
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| 03:06.00 | dondelelcaro | stew: if you take an axe to your screen, yes. |
| 03:06.19 | stew | is axe apt-getable? |
| 03:06.25 | Voot | what's replacing modutils? i was just going to update some module options, but the man page says that update-modules is becoming obsolete. what's used now? |
| 03:06.32 | peterS | dondelelcaro: what we need is an OS that can run in Cliff Stoll Fishbowl Mac mode |
| 03:06.44 | asg | peterS: Minix? |
| 03:06.52 | deadcat | does /etc/fstab understand ~ for $HOME? (= i dont feel like putting /home/deadcat/blah |
| 03:07.03 | peterS | asg: never tried minix. I also don't have cliff stoll's old mac he converted into a fishbowl, for testing |
| 03:07.09 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: it might be an idea to add a cron job to send a SIGHUP to blootbot once an hour or so |
| 03:07.22 | peterS | deadcat: I'd be surprised if it understood that |
| 03:07.29 | deadcat | hehe |
| 03:07.36 | asg | peterS: I have Cuckoo's and a 3rd ed. Tannebaum. Don't have the fishbowl sadly. |
| 03:08.01 | aomighty | peterS: dont worry, i dont :) |
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| 03:08.03 | peterS | toffee? |
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| 03:08.34 | peterS | asg, have you been eating *that* toffee again? you know you'll fry your brain if you keep doing it |
| 03:08.45 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: nah, that's not the problem; it's IPC crap again. |
| 03:08.52 | asg | peterS: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pagrosse/RecipeBonfireToffee.htm (Nov 5th wasn't that long ago you know ;) |
| 03:09.04 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: IPC? |
| 03:09.06 | sussudio | !ipc |
| 03:09.06 | dpkg | somebody said ipc was Interprocess Communication, for which System V provides an implementation (whose message queues really suck, use UNIX sockets in SOCK_DGRAM mode instead for that); this is typically called System V IPC. It provides message queues, shared memory, and semaphores. |
| 03:09.09 | peterS | asg: Nov 5? guy fawkes day? |
| 03:09.16 | asg | peterS: bonfire night |
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| 03:09.27 | dondelelcaro | basically, it makes ~2k ipc sockets, and then blows up because it can't create any more |
| 03:09.30 | Falkon | I have a problem. I need parted to resize /usr [hdb2] so I can explicitly create /tmp in hdb, but I have to unmount /usr and swap, but it won't let me |
| 03:09.33 | Bogaurd | hey all, approx how close is etch to becoming stable? would i be better off running sarge over etch atm? |
| 03:09.36 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: do you know if fuse has an irc channel? |
| 03:09.51 | asg | peterS: one of the customs I miss now that I'm in the US. |
| 03:09.53 | peterS | usually "ipc" in this kind of context refers to SysV IPC - shared memory and semaphores, mainly |
| 03:10.04 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: sending a SIGHUP to blootbot seemed to help here with some runaway forks |
| 03:10.07 | peterS | asg: the gunpowder plot of 1609 or so? |
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| 03:10.31 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah; I really just need to break down and fix the code |
| 03:10.47 | asg | peterS: yes, the kiddies in England sew up a 'Guy' and get change from locals. Then, they burn him in effigy. |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 03:11.07 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 03:11.21 | deadcat | encfs help. fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory: in sid |
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| 03:11.41 | peterS | asg: I had to explain guy fawkes day to my sister recently. she thought Nov 5 was really just her birthday |
| 03:11.46 | asg | peterS: I tried it here some years back and the cops came because someone thought I'd killed someone. |
| 03:11.47 | fam | hey |
| 03:11.54 | fam | what is RAID and how it works? |
| 03:11.55 | concept10 | i forgot, what is the filename that tells what release debian is? |
| 03:11.56 | peterS | asg: I don't know the actual customs surrounding it, just the pretext |
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| 03:12.03 | abrotman | !raid |
| 03:12.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 03:12.06 | deadcat | fam: online search time |
| 03:12.17 | peterS | fam: that's a bit of a vague question. what sort of raid have you got? |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | fam: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/raid |
| 03:12.27 | asg | peterS: the custom is simply that it's an excuse for a party and setting stuff on fire. A rather good time all around. |
| 03:12.33 | Falkon | SerajewelKS: so, any idea how I can umount /usr when I can't even force unmount? obviously it'll do me no good anyways if parted has to run off /usr... |
| 03:12.33 | fam | i dont know, ive never used raid |
| 03:12.35 | peterS | asg: yeah, no doubt |
| 03:12.36 | fam | thats why im here |
| 03:12.37 | concept10 | or how do I find out what release my system is based on |
| 03:12.50 | abrotman | !version |
| 03:12.50 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:12.51 | welson | anyone recognize what program is being used in this picture-- it ressembles openoffice-- it appears good and i'm wondering if its open-source-> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051110/tc_nm/linux_dc;_ylt=AnLuD7pUFK7I362cCJSmRk2or7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA-- |
| 03:12.56 | deadcat | fam: raid has nothing to do with debian. internet search is better fit for this |
| 03:13.16 | fam | im just asking though |
| 03:13.21 | peterS | fam: in a nutshell, RAID is a way to arrange 2 or more disks/partitions to work together as one unit, either for redundancy, or for performance, or both |
| 03:13.51 | peterS | fam: there are at least 7 RAID "levels", plus another (RAID 0) which isn't really considered RAID |
| 03:13.52 | abrotman | welson: some sort of GUI designer .. perhaps kdevelop or gaucho ? |
| 03:14.06 | fam | so its like adding and linking harddrives together as one? |
| 03:14.10 | abrotman | erm .. gazpaucho ? |
| 03:14.22 | peterS | fam: somewhat similar, but it can be more complicated than that too |
| 03:14.32 | fam | oh |
| 03:14.54 | abrotman | wikipedia has a pretty good article on it |
| 03:15.08 | peterS | fam: for example, if you have 8 hard drives, you can arrange them all in one big RAID-4 or RAID-5 array, and you'll get 7/8 the capacity of the individual drives - *but* if any one of the drives goes bad, you don't lose any data |
| 03:15.20 | Tortel | Goodnight |
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| 03:15.32 | peterS | fam: so for N drives, you get N-1 drives of capacity, plus the safety of allowing any one drive to fail without problems |
| 03:15.35 | Bogaurd | if i download debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso, will that have basically the barebones debian installation, and connect to the net for any aditional package i want to install? |
| 03:15.44 | fam | oh |
| 03:15.45 | fam | ic |
| 03:16.07 | linux-noob | If I wanted to put the path to file that was in a subdirectory off of the parent directory of the current one (like for a config file for a web page) |
| 03:16.08 | peterS | fam: that's what RAID-4 and RAID-5 do. RAID-1 is simple mirroring, so you get two or more copies of all your data, on separate drives. your usable capacity is then N/2 or so |
| 03:16.16 | thingfish | Bogaurd: yes |
| 03:16.39 | peterS | fam: RAID-2 and RAID-3 are not used much. RAID-6 is a bit like RAID-5 except that you get N-2 capacity but you also get the ability for any *two* drives to fail, without losing data |
| 03:16.44 | linux-noob | would I use "../bliah"* |
| 03:17.04 | Bogaurd | thingfish: cool, so if i wanted basically just a barebones system, i wouldnt need a net connection at all for that installation? |
| 03:17.06 | peterS | fam: RAID-10 is really RAID-1 combined with RAID-0, which is a bit harder to explain. and those are the RAID levels. |
| 03:17.09 | fam | but what if some files are written n a hdd and the hdd went down? |
| 03:17.26 | asg | fam: that's why 'fsck' was invented |
| 03:17.35 | peterS | fam: that's the beauty of it - with RAID-4 or RAID-5, the bits are written to multiple drives such that any one can fail and the data is still recoverable |
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| 03:17.44 | fam | ic |
| 03:17.49 | thingfish | Bogaurd: for the basic install, the one the netinstaller does, no, I guess not. |
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| 03:17.54 | asg | fam: and if 'fsck' can't fix things, you get to root around in lost+found |
| 03:18.07 | peterS | fam: it's a clever scheme which requires a bit of mathematics to understand, and RAID-6 is even more clever |
| 03:18.24 | fam | i think ill have to do some research on it |
| 03:18.37 | peterS | fam: yeah, read the wikipedia article, I'm sure that'll give you an introduction |
| 03:18.37 | Bogaurd | thingfish: okay, and if i was to download the first installation CD for debian, would that also get packages it needed off the net? |
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| 03:18.57 | Falkon | I have to somehow resize /usr with parted, but I can't unmount it, what to do? |
| 03:19.02 | linux-noob | If I wanted to put the path to file that was in a subdirectory off of the parent directory of the current one (like for a config file for a web page) would I use "../bliah" |
| 03:19.06 | peterS | fam: now, practically speaking, RAID-5 usually requires a bit of CPU time that you may or may not wish to spare. and it wastes disk space - if you have 4 hard drives you only get 3/4 of the space |
| 03:19.07 | stew | fam: raid 5 gets you more usable space but can be much slower for writes and raid levels that trade more reduncancy for easier math and therefore faster writes |
| 03:19.11 | Bogaurd | linux-noob: dunno if anyone answered yet, but yes. |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | peterS: get a good controller! |
| 03:19.32 | peterS | fam: RAID-1 requires not much CPU time, but it cuts your usable storage in half since all data is written at least twice |
| 03:19.33 | linux-noob | thanks |
| 03:19.50 | tlivingston | I installed from testing |
| 03:19.53 | fam | ic |
| 03:20.03 | tlivingston | last night and i want to install k3b, but it says there are unmet dependencies |
| 03:20.05 | peterS | all of RAID-1, RAID-4 and RAID-5 require a lot of disk bandwidth for writes, but not so much for reads |
| 03:20.41 | fam | what raid should i use if i just want to link all my hdds together as one? |
| 03:21.03 | peterS | fam: you could use raid-0 if you don't want any redundancy, or you could just use LVM instead |
| 03:21.08 | concept10 | die donovan mcnabb |
| 03:21.25 | stew | fam: raid 0 is very fast but then if you lose any drive you lose all of your data |
| 03:21.46 | peterS | fam: LVM implements what is sometimes known as JBOD, "just a bunch of disks", which provides no performance or redundancy advantages over individual drives, just the convenience of treating all your capacity as a single unit if you want |
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| 03:22.05 | fam | but it aint no risk using raid, is it? |
| 03:22.18 | abrotman | or you could read wikipedia .. where it's all explained :) |
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| 03:22.35 | peterS | fam: well, RAID-0 is fragile. if you have 5 disks and *one* of them fails, you can lose *all* your data. |
| 03:22.46 | peterS | fam: whereas if you don't use raid at all, and one drive fails, you only lose 1/5 of your data |
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| 03:23.00 | peterS | fam: the other RAID levels (the "real" RAID levels) are much safer |
| 03:23.13 | fam | ic |
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| 03:24.24 | Bogaurd41 | hmm, got disconnected. |
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| 03:24.57 | Bogaurd41 | okay, can the normal debian install cd (debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso) also do a netinstall? |
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| 03:25.03 | peterS | Bogaurd41: yes |
| 03:25.11 | fam | ok |
| 03:25.27 | quiet | hrm.. how do import the keys for testing-security? |
| 03:25.30 | fam | i have 3 hdds, 2 40GB and 1 80GB |
| 03:25.30 | Bogaurd41 | peterS: excellent, i assume it will only download what it *doesnt* have on the CD? |
| 03:25.35 | quiet | or.. secure-testing rather? |
| 03:25.37 | fam | which one you think should i use |
| 03:25.46 | quiet | i see the .asc file.. but i don't know where it goes. |
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| 03:25.56 | fam | i just want all my hdds linked as one |
| 03:26.03 | peterS | fam: I'd probably just go with LVM across all 3, with a small /boot partition with RAID-1 across two drives, outside the LVM |
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| 03:26.23 | chealer | quiet: try # apt-key add foo.asc |
| 03:26.23 | Bogaurd41 | fam: i had a similar setup to you a while ago, performance was not an issue, so i used a linear raid. |
| 03:26.31 | praetus | guh ... im messing around with Debian 3.1 on my Dell 700m lappy ... i was installing my wireless software (ipw2200), i rebooted and now the boot hangs starting the mail tranfer agent .. i didn't set this up intentionaly during the setup because i'm not serving email from here ... any ideas ? |
| 03:26.59 | peterS | fam: when Bogaurd41 says 'linear', this is not technically a RAID level, it's JBOD, similar to what LVM does. 'linear' is the name of a linux kernel raid module which implements this |
| 03:27.09 | Bogaurd41 | =) |
| 03:27.18 | fam | oh |
| 03:27.19 | samuel | sup all |
| 03:27.21 | Bogaurd41 | it works well though :P |
| 03:27.34 | peterS | it should work well |
| 03:27.44 | fam | so if all my hdds are linked, itll show as 1 drive or what? |
| 03:28.06 | Bogaurd41 | fam: yeah |
| 03:28.10 | peterS | fam: well, with LVM it'll show as however many filesystems you want, whatever sizes you want. with 'linear' you can make it show up as one 160-GB partition |
| 03:28.55 | peterS | fam: well, 149 GB, because "40 GB" and "80 GB" don't really mean units of 2^30 (: |
| 03:29.08 | fam | let say the drive is C:\, (which are my 3 hdds), if i format this as a single drive, will it format all of my hdds? |
| 03:29.21 | peterS | fam: Debian doesn't use drive letters so your question is meaningless |
| 03:29.23 | fam | actually its 150 |
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| 03:29.28 | GPLGeek | c:\ ? what a good example |
| 03:29.46 | GPLGeek | I would have used /home |
| 03:29.49 | fam | well im in a wrong channel, but let say in win |
| 03:29.55 | samuel | anyone know how to get linux to realize there is more space in a drive than there is? ive a vfat 4gb minidrive i use in a pocket pc, and when i delete stuff in the pocket pc it does not register as free space any longer in linux? |
| 03:29.56 | fam | coz i just use nix as a server |
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| 03:30.00 | fam | i dont really play with nix |
| 03:30.06 | peterS | fam: you'll have to ask Windows people how RAID is set up in Windows, then |
| 03:30.17 | Wyzard | peterS: I think "JBOD" specifically means using the drives as individual devices, not combined in any way |
| 03:30.18 | fam | yeah |
| 03:30.24 | fam | but i get what you sayin thoug |
| 03:30.46 | abrotman | samuel: it's not sync'ed |
| 03:31.15 | samuel | abrotman, what should i look for in google? |
| 03:31.19 | peterS | fam: I don't know how you 'format' a RAID partition in Windows, unless you're using NT4, in which case you use the disk administrator, or Win2000/XP/2003, in which case you use the disk administrator applet from the administrative tools control panel |
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| 03:31.31 | abrotman | samuel: just run `sync` .. see if it fixes it |
| 03:31.40 | fam | yeah, i use disk admin |
| 03:31.48 | peterS | fam: but that's way off-topic for here - we can tell you much more about how to do RAID in Debian |
| 03:31.49 | samuel | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:31.49 | abrotman | samuel: oh wait . i think i misread it |
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| 03:32.12 | abrotman | samuel: well .. try it .. i'm not sure i'm reading your question right |
| 03:32.13 | fam | ill ask win people |
| 03:32.16 | fam | thanks anyway for helping me |
| 03:32.17 | stew | samuel: you are deleting this stuff in some non-debian os? |
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| 03:32.26 | stew | samuel: you probably need to "empty the trash" or something |
| 03:32.46 | peterS | last I checked, which was admittedly awhile back, Windows did not even support RAID-6 at all. and I think you might have had to buy some server edition before it would support RAID-4 or RAID-5 |
| 03:33.01 | peterS | POS. |
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| 03:33.09 | samuel | stew, yes, im deleting stuff in pocket pc, there is no "trash" ls -a shows nothing else, to regain space i have to reformat it, its no big deal, just annoying |
| 03:33.12 | Lanix | does debian have any soprt for an Matrox videocard ? |
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| 03:33.21 | peterS | Lanix: which matrox video card? |
| 03:33.37 | peterS | Lanix: Debian ships XFree86 4.3.0, which supports a lot of matrox cards but not the most recent ones |
| 03:33.41 | roby | When installing testing, I was given the option to install either testing or unstable, so is this the way to get unstable? It doesn't come as a separate release? |
| 03:33.47 | praetus | anyone know what is dependant on exim4? can i just remove it entirely on a default system? |
| 03:34.05 | Wyzard | roby: The usual way to get unstable is to install stable and then upgrade |
| 03:34.07 | setuid_w00t | praetus: I think cron depends on an MTA |
| 03:34.18 | peterS | praetus: various system utilities assume they can send mail to the root user or whoever, so they expect to have a mailer on the system. it doesn't have to be exim4 though. |
| 03:34.29 | karrot-x | anyone know what would cause perl to take 51.45% usage on a debian box, the user is www-data |
| 03:34.32 | karrot-x | yet apache is off |
| 03:34.33 | karrot-x | :/ |
| 03:34.34 | welson | abrotman, that dam app was commercial-> realbasic (realsoftware.com)-- I think just about the only close to it is the boa-constructor |
| 03:34.40 | fam | peterS, do you need a special hardware for this |
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| 03:34.48 | fam | i mean setting up RAID? |
| 03:34.48 | roby | Wyzard: really, this is done using apt? |
| 03:34.56 | abrotman | welson: ah .. ok |
| 03:34.57 | Lanix | old, of double exit of video card |
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| 03:34.57 | Wyzard | roby: yes |
| 03:35.00 | setuid_w00t | praetus: if you don't need a full featured MTA, there are packages for local delivery only |
| 03:35.01 | peterS | fam: you can buy special hardware that handles all the RAID stuff without bothering the main CPU or the main OS |
| 03:35.10 | Lanix | old, of double exit video card |
| 03:35.10 | dregan | I have tried to install prostix - then dovecot - I set " default_mail_env = maildir:/home/%u/.maildir/ " and can create folders in the users/.maildir/.... But inbox mail goes to " /var/mail" and I cannot get it back. Is there a line in the dovecot.conf that I need to modify so that "in Mail" goes the the .../.maildir/.INBOX? |
| 03:35.10 | deadcat | !find mount.fuse |
| 03:35.20 | GPLGeek | karrot-x, perl can be run from a script, its not internet-only |
| 03:35.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mount.fuse' returned no results. |
| 03:35.27 | praetus | setuid_w00t: how would i go about finding information on those local packages |
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| 03:35.33 | peterS | fam: or you can use your OS to do all that, and it'll take more CPU and disk bandwidth |
| 03:35.35 | praetus | pretty please :) |
| 03:35.40 | abrotman | dregan: you tried that in the postfix config ? |
| 03:35.43 | fam | ic |
| 03:35.44 | Wyzard | roby: If you're inexperienced enough with Debian that you need to ask that, though, you should ask yourself whether running unstable is a good idea |
| 03:35.46 | Lanix | ok thx |
| 03:35.54 | welson | abrotman, but it is a powerful ide, purpose is for cross-platform development.. i couldn't find a match for that g** named thingy goacha was it? |
| 03:36.01 | dregan | abrotman: Notpe will check now! |
| 03:36.04 | samuel | abrotman, any other ideas? |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | !gazpaucho |
| 03:36.09 | abrotman | !gaucho |
| 03:36.11 | samuel | by any chance? |
| 03:36.12 | abrotman | hrm |
| 03:36.17 | roby | Wyzard: you make a very good point, I wanted OO.o 2.x instead of the 1.1.4 from testing... and it's found in unstable |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | welson: let me find it |
| 03:36.40 | peterS | fam: or you can buy hardware that advertises itself as, for example, a motherboard "with SATA RAID" and it actually still uses the CPU and the OS for RAID, rather than offloading the processing to some special chip |
| 03:36.49 | welson | abrotman, check this out, someone just told me about it-> http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:36.52 | peterS | fam: when you do *that*, I hope you don't spend extra money for that feature (: |
| 03:36.54 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 03:36.55 | dpkg | [gazpacho] A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade> |
| 03:36.57 | abrotman | welson: ^^ |
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| 03:37.02 | setuid_w00t | praetus: I'm not sure. I have never used those programs, but I'm pretty sure they exist. SOmeone in here should know more |
| 03:37.34 | fam | RAID controller is what i need |
| 03:37.51 | welson | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:37.51 | Wyzard | roby: Look for a backport, or wait for it to propagate to testing... don't upgrade to unstable just for the sake of having a newer version of some program |
| 03:38.09 | praetus | doh ... thanks setuid_w00t ... anyone know about some local MTA packages so i don't have to use exim? |
| 03:38.12 | peterS | you know, this is amazing. this guy fam comes in here and asks all these questions, doesn't read the docs we point him to, and uses abbreviations like "ic". shockingly, he turns out to be a Windows user |
| 03:38.16 | peterS | quel coincidence |
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| 03:38.36 | abrotman | welson: i haven't looked at it in a while |
| 03:38.42 | chealer | peterS: quelle coincidence! |
| 03:38.52 | peterS | chealer: I couldn't remember the gender |
| 03:39.01 | roby | Wyzard: ok, sounds good, thanks :) |
| 03:39.03 | fam | im a win user, but i use nix too |
| 03:39.22 | roby | Wyzard: I'll wait that is. |
| 03:39.25 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite $1 is <reply> $1: You're nothing but a(n a*us|n a*s|n a*se| b*tt| c*nt| b*lls| p*nis| t*ts| c*ck) (d*mning|f*cking|w*nking|sh*tting|f*rting|p*ssing) (j*ckass|j*sus|b*tch|a*sehole|d*ldo|h*mo|w*nker|r*tard|t*at|j*rk|b*ob|l*sbian)! |
| 03:39.26 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 03:39.28 | Bogaurd41 | this is really really weird, im connected with dialup, and i just downloaded a file at 25kb/s |
| 03:39.29 | mfrisch | fam I'm sorry |
| 03:39.33 | netcat | praetus: Do you mean something like msmtp? |
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| 03:40.24 | Wyzard | Bogaurd41: Dial-up modems do some compression in hardware... a speed like that is possible if the file was very compressible |
| 03:40.52 | Koal1 | Hello again |
| 03:40.55 | bkhl | Bogaurd41: like, say, a text file. |
| 03:40.56 | abrotman | and the modem pool supported it |
| 03:41.09 | laissez | I'm trying to install squirrelmail via APT-GET but it attempts to install apache.. when I use lighttpd |
| 03:41.19 | Koal1 | Does anyone have experience in using 'tar' command to do tape backup? |
| 03:41.20 | laissez | how can I install it without installing apache ? |
| 03:41.21 | Wyzard | You'd have a hard time finding one that doesn't |
| 03:41.22 | netcat | praetus: apt-cache search smtp |
| 03:41.28 | Wyzard | PPP compression is hardly a new or emerging feature |
| 03:41.31 | peterS | Guerin: you'd have dpkg call people a bulls or a tots or a that or a blob or a batch? |
| 03:41.32 | praetus | will do thanks netcat |
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| 03:42.03 | Guerin | peterS: don't ask me, ask http://nas.com/~change/private/irc |
| 03:42.06 | Bogaurd41 | yeah, i know, but this is an ISO? I would assume that its not going to compress *that* much? |
| 03:42.21 | Xenguy | !x11vnc |
| 03:42.21 | dpkg | i guess x11vnc is a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 03:42.21 | Guerin | peterS: it's a mystery to me what those words are as well, but i think they make for an interesting smite |
| 03:42.28 | laissez | what's the best combo if I want to set a mail server ? |
| 03:42.29 | Wyzard | Bogaurd41: gzip it and find out :-) |
| 03:42.35 | Bogaurd41 | hehe =) |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | laissez: define best |
| 03:42.37 | laissez | or the easier to configure |
| 03:42.38 | Koal1 | Does anyone know tape backup in linux? |
| 03:42.45 | laissez | i dont know, the simpler, the most common |
| 03:43.12 | Technel | I just did a Debian net install. I installed xserver-xfree86 and fluxbox + their dependencies. However, "startx" is not found and "startfluxbox" fails because xserver is not running. Any ideas? |
| 03:43.12 | netcat | Koal1: I've only met him a few times.... :-) |
| 03:43.29 | chealer | laissez: is lighttpd installed as a Debian package? |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | Technel: x-window-system-core |
| 03:43.34 | Koal1 | :) |
| 03:43.36 | laissez | chealer: yes it is |
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| 03:43.50 | Technel | abrotman, Wouldn't aptitude install that with xserver? |
| 03:43.51 | netcat | Koal1: What is your specific question? |
| 03:43.57 | peterS | Guerin: interesting how p*ostitutes is a foul word |
| 03:44.01 | chealer | laissez: does the package provide httpd? |
| 03:44.04 | foo | Hmm, I did what dpkg said about screen blanking ... but the screen still blanks. I did setterm -blank 0 ... and xset dpms force off just turns the monitor off ... any other ideas? |
| 03:44.04 | abrotman | Technel: no |
| 03:44.09 | Technel | abrotman, Okay, thanks |
| 03:44.10 | dregan | abrotman: I can find no reference to /var/mail in the main.cf or master.cf - can you elaborate on what I should be looking for please! |
| 03:44.19 | Koal1 | netcat, I want to do some tape backup. I want to know the standard procedure |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | dregan: you won't .. google "Postfix maildir" |
| 03:44.25 | Guerin | peterS: and p*o |
| 03:44.28 | enveezee | heh I never seen "Ass'n" used as an abbreviation for Association before |
| 03:44.29 | kenboo | Koal1, dump command |
| 03:44.36 | abrotman | dregan: i belive that's what you're trying to do |
| 03:44.37 | peterS | Guerin: and c*ap, which must be 'clap' |
| 03:44.40 | laissez | chealer: yes, that says 'apt-show' |
| 03:44.43 | Koal1 | I have some tar command but failed to extracted tape |
| 03:44.44 | laissez | apt-cache show |
| 03:44.48 | abrotman | peterS: you're the clap! |
| 03:44.53 | Koal1 | kenboo, dump? |
| 03:45.04 | peterS | oh wait ... sorry ... |
| 03:45.08 | Guerin | but g*innes is rightly on there, because it's obviously a misspelling of guinness |
| 03:45.14 | netcat | Koal1: There are lots of options, too many to try and explain. |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | you need a sippie cup ? |
| 03:45.38 | peterS | Guerin: that was my thought too, actually |
| 03:45.40 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite Dewi |
| 03:45.41 | dpkg | Dewi: You're nothing but a b*tt f*cking l*sbian! |
| 03:45.59 | peterS | hmmm, so * can mean any zero or more characters |
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| 03:46.20 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
| 03:46.20 | Dewi | peterS: yeah, DOS syntax |
| 03:46.37 | peterS | the bot must be saying ballott finicking lego thesbian |
| 03:46.41 | abrotman | because * in unix would never mean more than one character |
| 03:46.42 | peterS | where thesbian is a misspelling of thespian |
| 03:46.52 | deadcat | Dewi: stop crying like a little bitch! |
| 03:46.52 | Guerin | peterS: excellent |
| 03:46.54 | peterS | and ballott is a misspelling of ballot |
| 03:47.05 | laissez | chealer: yes, any idea ? |
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| 03:47.58 | praetus | hum .. about MTA ... documentation on line seems to indicate that MTA feels like it hangs, but just takes a long time to come out of it's funk ... i can't reboot or cancel the command or anything .. is it really hung or should i just let it sit for like an hour? |
| 03:47.59 | peterS | do I need to add a highlight for p*terS at some point? |
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| 03:48.05 | praetus | well .. maybe not an hour |
| 03:48.07 | peterS | just in case people start to take my name in vain? |
| 03:48.10 | praetus | like 10 minutes |
| 03:48.11 | abrotman | peterS: i have one for abortman :) |
| 03:48.20 | peterS | abortman: I bet you do |
| 03:48.23 | Koal1 | netcat, to be specific -> I use command 'tar -cvf $base_tape $backup_list' to backup |
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| 03:48.27 | jeff__ | can someone help with telnetd? i installed it with apt, and there are documentation files, but no program |
| 03:48.40 | peterS | abortman: I actually do get pings on perterS every now and then |
| 03:48.40 | chealer | laissez: sorry, I'm not sure |
| 03:48.41 | Guerin | jeff__: it runs out of inetd |
| 03:48.45 | abrotman | peterS: i've contemplated adding abrot ... i didn't think my name was so hard |
| 03:48.50 | Guerin | jeff__: but you don't want to use it for anything |
| 03:48.59 | jeff__ | Guerin: i dont have inetd running |
| 03:49.03 | peterS | abrotman: your name is so easy even dpkg can sing it |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | and well! |
| 03:49.10 | enveezee | heh |
| 03:49.13 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 03:49.13 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 03:49.16 | Guerin | jeff__: well there you go, then. |
| 03:49.21 | Koal1 | netcat, but after I eject the tape and reinsert it, I cannot untar it with 'tar -xvf $base_tape' |
| 03:49.23 | jeff__ | Guerin: i was under the impression that telnetd was standalone |
| 03:49.44 | Koal1 | netcat, so I wonder how it happened |
| 03:49.45 | Guerin | jeff__: dpkg -L telnetd will tell you whast files were provided by it |
| 03:49.54 | mfrisch | damn Gnome is a memory hog |
| 03:49.56 | peterS | jeff__: I think all unixes have run it out of inetd ever since I can remember, which would be around 1993 |
| 03:50.04 | abrotman | mfrisch: have you tried kde ? :) |
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| 03:50.09 | Koal1 | netcat, and want to know if there is any standard procedure |
| 03:50.19 | abrotman | peterS: what was before 1993 ? |
| 03:50.30 | peterS | abrotman: for me? MS-DOS |
| 03:50.35 | mfrisch | abrotman yes its worse..I am in xfce. |
| 03:50.36 | jeff__ | peterS: inetd interferes with proftpd though, so i just disabled it |
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| 03:50.47 | abrotman | mfrisch: you should try blackbox if you want small |
| 03:50.49 | enveezee | heh |
| 03:50.53 | abrotman | peterS: what .. no PCDOS ? :) |
| 03:50.55 | peterS | jeff__: "interferes"? wtf? it only "interferes" if you don't run proftpd from inetd, but *do* run some other ftpd from inetd |
| 03:51.00 | netcat | Koal1: OK. But after backup you cannot restore? |
| 03:51.26 | mfrisch | abrotman I need small for my laptop will try. gnome is overkill. ;-) |
| 03:51.36 | peterS | jeff__: it doesn't make sense to run two ftpds on a single IP address anyway. the protocol isn't flexible enough to allow that. |
| 03:51.36 | abrotman | mfrisch: just a bit :) |
| 03:51.43 | Koal1 | netcat, yes. I could restore before eject the tape. but failed after eject and reinsertion |
| 03:51.57 | peterS | (since it makes assumptions about the availability of port 20, regardless of where ftpd is running) |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | just in case a single FTPD isn't insecure enough .. i'll run two! |
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| 03:52.03 | peterS | abrotman: yeah! |
| 03:52.15 | Koal1 | netcat, I think some thing wrong in the middle |
| 03:52.15 | enveezee | *yawn* its too late to go to bed now.. |
| 03:52.15 | enveezee | I guess I will have to goto work and sleep :P |
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| 03:52.21 | abrotman | enveezee: gov't work ? |
| 03:52.21 | peterS | enveezee: eh, when do you work? |
| 03:52.24 | dodo | as |
| 03:52.28 | mfrisch | must be |
| 03:52.33 | Voot | where are module options placed in kernel 2.6.14? they once were in modules.conf but they don't seem to be working |
| 03:52.42 | peterS | enveezee: uh, I didn't mean "when do you work", I meant "when do you go on the clock" |
| 03:52.43 | fam | does all hdds support RAID? |
| 03:52.46 | jeff__ | peterS: i was given the advice to run proftpd as its own dameon, and the only way to do that was to kill inetd....its the times that i feel like an idiot that motivate me to learn |
| 03:52.46 | enveezee | peterS: 23:30 |
| 03:52.54 | peterS | fam: they don't have to explicitly "support" anything, so yes |
| 03:53.01 | peterS | fam: but really why are you asking *us*? |
| 03:53.18 | peterS | jeff__: you don't have to kill inetd, just edit /etc/inetd.conf to tell it not to launch anything on the "ftp" port |
| 03:53.27 | netcat | Koal1: Might be a rewind problem. So drives do and some don't. You can use the nonrewinding device type is needed (dev/nst0). |
| 03:53.28 | enveezee | abrotman: nope. industrial |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | enveezee: /nick homer ? |
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| 03:53.45 | enveezee | heh |
| 03:54.19 | abrotman | damn iggles |
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| 03:54.27 | enveezee | heh |
| 03:54.33 | abrotman | i want them to lose! |
| 03:54.39 | enveezee | oh well |
| 03:54.45 | abrotman | it makes my work load tomorrow less because the boss whines all day |
| 03:54.55 | foo | Anyway to spit out all of the packages I have installed? |
| 03:55.03 | peterS | foo: dpkg -l |
| 03:55.05 | enveezee | dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 03:55.06 | dpkg | ii |
| 03:55.19 | enveezee | dpkg: stfu |
| 03:55.19 | dpkg | stfu is, like, Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 03:55.22 | laissez | has anyone installed php+lighttpd+somewebmail_system ? |
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| 03:56.06 | jeff__ | peterS: thanks for putting up with my badness |
| 03:56.10 | foo | Hmm, anyway to just spit out the packages? I mean, I could write a bash script or something to fix that.. just wondering. I don't really care for the versions and description |
| 03:56.14 | netcat | Koal1: You might want to take a look at the "mt" command. |
| 03:56.16 | peterS | heh |
| 03:56.22 | abrotman | foo: try awk |
| 03:56.29 | foo | abrotman: ah, yeah. I could do that |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | you think ? :) |
| 03:57.03 | peterS | foo: right, dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' |
| 03:57.06 | foo | Anyway to have cups on one debian system use the same printer that the gateway and dhcp server had? |
| 03:57.14 | foo | peterS: ah, thanks |
| 03:57.28 | Lanix | is there a tool reminder for debian , in witch i insert the serting things i need to do in serting days and remind me of it on a day asing to ti ? |
| 03:57.35 | abrotman | in which |
| 03:57.44 | foo | abrotman: That to me ? |
| 03:57.45 | abrotman | certain .. i think |
| 03:57.46 | abrotman | foo: no |
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| 03:58.03 | mrwill | does sarge have ntpl? |
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| 03:58.24 | jlmb | Is there a problem with mirrors.kernel.org/debian ? because unstable Packages hasn't been updated for a couple of days. |
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| 03:59.13 | Koal1 | netcat, I should not rewind the tape after backup? |
| 03:59.22 | peterS | hmmmm, so, the longest package name on my system is libclass-accessor-chained-perl |
| 03:59.28 | quiet | is anyone else having trouble syncing marillat for testing? |
| 03:59.29 | abrotman | Koal1: you should IMO |
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| 03:59.44 | Koal1 | abrotman, what is IMO? |
| 03:59.54 | peterS | find out with: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | perl -e 'print sort { length $a <=> length $b } <>' |
| 03:59.57 | quiet | here's the line I have: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | !imo |
| 03:59.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, imo is In My Opinion |
| 04:00.19 | peterS | (yes, this is lazy, one could replace the awk using half a schwarzian transform in perl) |
| 04:00.30 | quiet | keeps telling me "Couldnt stat source package list" |
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| 04:00.39 | jlmb | peterS: ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.14-4-600m |
| 04:00.41 | abrotman | hrm .. i got "peters-super-duper-large-pr0n-collection" for mine |
| 04:00.59 | peterS | abrotman: yeah I purged that one from my system at some point |
| 04:01.10 | abrotman | peterS: gfs will do that :) |
| 04:01.52 | peterS | abrotman: wow, I'm such a geek. at first I read that as "Red Hat's 'Global File System' will do that" |
| 04:02.04 | abrotman | !smack peters |
| 04:02.09 | peterS | and I'm thinking ... eh? |
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| 04:02.49 | abrotman | peterS: a clear sign you need to get out more :) |
| 04:03.00 | abrotman | or really really need a GF :) |
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| 04:03.32 | peterS | abrotman: heh, well. I actually was at a party until 3 the other night. I didn't actually get drunk, mainly watched others do so, and made sure nobody tried to do anything stupid like drive home |
| 04:04.09 | abrotman | peterS: did you even drink ? |
| 04:04.16 | fbi | what can i do if the sarge install cd (console) is telling me "No such file or directory" when i try and mount my sarge partition to fix grub |
| 04:04.30 | koharski | Can anyone use apt? Every server I go to connetct fine for apt-setup, but allways times out on logging in |
| 04:04.31 | peterS | abrotman: a bit of champaigne, a jello shot, a sip of vodka, nothing more |
| 04:04.36 | laissez | anyone succed at installing php + fastcgi + lighttpd + some_webmail |
| 04:04.36 | koharski | Err ftp://mirror.direct.ca testing/main module-assistant 0.9.10 |
| 04:04.36 | koharski | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.37 | koharski | 0% [Logging in] |
| 04:04.39 | laissez | on debian |
| 04:04.40 | laissez | ????? |
| 04:04.48 | koharski | yeah |
| 04:05.42 | abrotman | peterS: and you're a redneck ? :) |
| 04:05.42 | peterS | abrotman: errr, tequila, not vodka, the vodka was in the jello shot (: |
| 04:05.42 | abrotman | mmm .. tequila |
| 04:05.42 | peterS | it wasn't bad, but I only had a sip |
| 04:05.42 | abrotman | i like tequila |
| 04:05.44 | netcat | Koal1: You can tell if the tape has rewound by using the "mt" command (check out the "tell" argument to "mt"). |
| 04:05.45 | fbi | how the hell can i chroot into something that the sarge install cd doesn't even see |
| 04:05.48 | stew | fbi: iirc you can't use /dev/hdxx but must use whatever the devfs name like /dev/ide0/bus0/disk0/part1 or something like that |
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| 04:06.04 | fbi | stew: ah |
| 04:06.06 | peterS | abrotman: it was a cast party after the end of the opera. I tell you, opera singers are a breed apart. or lack thereof. among something like 20 males I counted 7 gays |
| 04:06.26 | peterS | abrotman: that's, you know, a bit above the national average |
| 04:06.27 | fbi | dpkg's factoid is actually useless if that's the case |
| 04:06.41 | abrotman | peterS: and those are only the ones you counted :) |
| 04:06.41 | fam | ok, what's the diff between SATA and IDE? |
| 04:06.47 | koharski | damnit, now apt-get update dont work either |
| 04:06.55 | koharski | sata is a different conector than ide |
| 04:06.59 | koharski | its newer |
| 04:07.01 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, 9 straight men including myself, and about 3 or 4 guys I'm not certain about |
| 04:07.05 | fam | and faster? |
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| 04:07.19 | abrotman | peterS: and let me guess . not a single straight girl in the group? :) |
| 04:07.24 | koharski | well, restart time |
| 04:07.38 | koharski | first restart in 43 weeks :( |
| 04:07.45 | peterS | abrotman: plenty of straight girls. however, they were all hanging around the gay guys. go figure. |
| 04:08.02 | abrotman | peterS: so no date for you ? |
| 04:08.18 | peterS | abrotman: no date for me |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | peterS: i'd tell you to pretend .. but that could get you into trouble at a party like that :) |
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| 04:09.14 | peterS | abrotman: I'm known to be straight. so none of them ever try to hit on me |
| 04:09.21 | peterS | which is, btw, fine with me |
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| 04:09.33 | peterS | or I guess you meant so the *girls* would pay attention to me. hmmm. |
| 04:09.52 | enveezee | peterS: just hang out with annoying people. |
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| 04:10.00 | abrotman | peterS: ah . ok |
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| 04:10.07 | abrotman | enveezee: i live too far away |
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| 04:10.08 | peterS | enveezee: how's that work? be the least annoying in the group and you get the chicks? |
| 04:10.14 | enveezee | peterS: girls do it.. they hang out with fat ugly chicks.. makes them look good |
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| 04:11.00 | enveezee | peterS: only if you know how to play it.. then you can use that as an excuse to get her away somewhere quiet |
| 04:11.11 | fbi | alright well this still isn't working, how do you mount the sarge partition if it's /dev/hda1 ? |
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| 04:11.32 | abrotman | fbi: fdisk -l /dev/hda .. is it even there ? |
| 04:11.36 | enveezee | peterS: then you put your hand out above her head, and tell her "you've got to be this beautiful to ride" |
| 04:11.56 | fbi | abrotman: fdisk doesn't even exist in this console |
| 04:12.05 | Koal1 | netcat, the mt command will rewind the tape before it eject it |
| 04:12.09 | peterS | enveezee: there's no way I could pull off that line without sounding impossibly cheesy. I think it takes a special talent |
| 04:12.14 | Koal1 | netcat, will that cause problem? |
| 04:12.30 | enveezee | peterS: pickup lines are garbage I was kidding |
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| 04:12.38 | peterS | heh |
| 04:12.47 | abrotman | fbi: what? |
| 04:12.48 | netcat | Koal1: I can only assume that the tape was rewound when you made your backup. |
| 04:12.52 | abrotman | fbi: that'd be retarded :) |
| 04:12.55 | enveezee | peterS: the pickup line was invented by man with the assumption there has got to be an easier way to impress a woman |
| 04:13.08 | kingsley_ | fbi: How about: mkdir /sarge && mount /dev/hda1 /sarge ? |
| 04:13.10 | nixUX | how sad i'm I, just looking through the hole of the 2.6.15-rc1 changelog :-) |
| 04:13.11 | fbi | abrotman: i'm in the emergency shell i guess, there is no fdisk |
| 04:13.11 | peterS | enveezee: probably even worked until every girl had heard at least one, and realised what the game was |
| 04:13.17 | laissez | how do I install PHP+FastCgi on debian ? |
| 04:13.19 | Koal1 | netcat, yes the tape is rewound before the backup |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | fbi: what exactly did you do to your box ? |
| 04:13.26 | nixUX | whole* |
| 04:13.30 | enveezee | peterS: personally from my experience just sell yourself. and know when to shut up.. |
| 04:13.43 | abrotman | enveezee: but you never shut up |
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| 04:13.49 | abrotman | oh wait .. you're single |
| 04:13.52 | fbi | kingsley_: i made the directory fine, but can't mount it |
| 04:13.52 | enveezee | peterS: the silence is your most powerful weapon.. just dont use than as an excuse to say _something_ |
| 04:14.00 | fbi | abrotman: i trashed my mbr |
| 04:14.07 | enveezee | abrotman: heh |
| 04:14.10 | netcat | Koal1: I think you can do this: cat /dev/st0 | tar tvf to see the contents of the tape. |
| 04:14.11 | enveezee | abrotman: and I am single |
| 04:14.12 | abrotman | fbi: i've used the grub floppy before to fix that |
| 04:14.23 | kingsley_ | fbi: What happens when you try to mount? |
| 04:14.39 | foo | server:/etc# apmd |
| 04:14.39 | foo | No APM support in kernel |
| 04:14.39 | fbi | kingsley_: no such device |
| 04:14.40 | foo | Ah - anyway to fix this besides compiling my own kernel? |
| 04:15.02 | fbi | it's like the sarge install cd doesn't even see hda |
| 04:15.09 | netcat | Koal1: Assuming that /dev/st0 is where your tape drive is at. |
| 04:15.11 | enveezee | peterS: many men have that problem. women like men that talk.. but what women consider talking with a man is what men consider shutting up and acting interested.. kind of like what you do when football is on.. |
| 04:15.15 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 04:15.15 | dpkg | somebody said grub floppy image was ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 04:15.21 | kingsley_ | fbi: It seems to me that it might be interesting to google for "no such device" and "mount". |
| 04:15.22 | abrotman | now .. with all the ops gone! .. let's go crazy! |
| 04:15.29 | peterS | foo: it's a module in most debian kernels, 'modprobe apm' |
| 04:15.47 | dregan | abrotman: I added "home_mailbox = Maildir/" to the main.cf, restarted postfix and sent a test mail, the mail still went to /var/mail, postfix did not create a ~user/Maildir.... please correct me - I tend to think that the problem is somewhere in the dovecot.conf. Any further suggestions? |
| 04:15.53 | enveezee | peterS: the problem in it is usually either not knowing what to say, or not knowing when to shut up.. some people have both problems |
| 04:15.57 | fbi | kingsley_: that would be great if i had a browser and wasn't ircing from my mobile phone heh |
| 04:16.03 | foo | server:/etc# modprobe apm |
| 04:16.03 | foo | FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 04:16.07 | foo | peterS: ^^ |
| 04:16.10 | abrotman | dregan: did you run maildirmake ? |
| 04:16.20 | peterS | enveezee: oh I can shut up and act interested. that tends to earn 'such a nice person to talk to' |
| 04:16.38 | abrotman | peterS: or "my new bitch" :) |
| 04:16.41 | enveezee | peterS: heh. |
| 04:16.54 | enveezee | peterS: thats because you didnt say the right things when you had the chance |
| 04:16.58 | dregan | abrotman: er - doh! |
| 04:17.12 | foo | peterS: Any ideas? |
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| 04:17.22 | abrotman | dregan: your main.cf line is correct |
| 04:17.35 | enveezee | well I got to get to work. |
| 04:17.44 | abrotman | yinz better get going |
| 04:17.47 | enveezee | heh |
| 04:17.51 | nixUX | hmm, I need to register my new name |
| 04:18.00 | mhall | kingsley_: Dude, what the hell? I go off the channel for a week to do work and how do you reward me? You demote me from your swearing statistics. I was #10. What do I need to do to re-earn my honorable position? |
| 04:18.04 | peterS | foo: sounds as though apm is not enabled in your bios, or not even present |
| 04:18.05 | encompass | when my laptop gets critical battery supply, can I have it shut down automaticly? |
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| 04:18.16 | kingsley_ | fbi: Do you have a rescue disk, like tomsrt (sp?) or knoppix? |
| 04:18.20 | nixUX | SuseUX is too political :-) |
| 04:18.23 | Koal1 | netcat, this is how I did the backup: |
| 04:18.23 | Koal1 | netcat, (1) mt -f /dev/st0 lock |
| 04:18.23 | Koal1 | netcat, (2) mt -f /dev/st0 erase |
| 04:18.23 | Koal1 | netcat, (3) mt -f /dev/st0 rewind |
| 04:18.23 | Koal1 | netcat, (4) tar -cvf -f /dev/st0 $backup_list |
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| 04:18.35 | abrotman | fbi: really .. try that grub floppy .. if your / is ext2/3 .. it should work fine .. |
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| 04:19.06 | peterS | foo: usual solution is to use ACPI tools rather than APM tools, since almost all x86 motherboards made since 2000 or so support ACPI. (earlier ones did too but it was too buggy to be useful) |
| 04:19.07 | mhall | Koal1 Great bleeding Christ on a pogo stick! Please don't paste that fast. Use semicolons on one line to seperate related commands. |
| 04:19.13 | abrotman | bah . fuck .. it got late .. |
| 04:19.16 | foo | ahh, ok |
| 04:19.38 | Wyzard | foo: The APM module returns that error if you try to load it when ACPI is already loaded |
| 04:19.45 | abrotman | Koal1: you might want a retension once in a while |
| 04:19.50 | peterS | heh, or that |
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| 04:19.52 | peterS | I didn't think of that |
| 04:20.08 | fbi | abrotman: i'm gonna fire up the stinkpad and make one now |
| 04:20.08 | kingsley_ | fbi: What does "ls -l /dev/hda1" report? |
| 04:20.08 | Wyzard | peterS: I just discovered that today, actually, along with discovering that my laptop does in fact support ACPI |
| 04:20.16 | abrotman | fbi: do i get a cookie ? |
| 04:20.29 | fbi | yes, a weed cookie |
| 04:20.38 | Koal1 | abrotman, thanks |
| 04:20.41 | mhall | Wyzard: Do you mean "support" ACPI or _support_ ACPI? Sadly the two are different. |
| 04:20.58 | encompass | is there a way for my computer to autoshutdown on low power? |
| 04:21.00 | fbi | kingsley_: don't know, i just shut down to try a knoppix cd |
| 04:21.02 | mhall | Wyzard: You might well end up writing a new DSDT for the bastard. |
| 04:21.15 | netcat | Koal1: I don't think you need the "-f" in (4). |
| 04:21.17 | Wyzard | mhall: It didn't work in the past because the ibm-acpi driver wasn't included in the kernel until a few versions ago |
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| 04:21.44 | mhall | Wyzard: oof? They require their own proprietary "embrace and extend" driver to get the fucker going? |
| 04:21.50 | kingsley_ | fbi: The knoppix CD should give you many more tools, including a web browser. |
| 04:21.51 | Wyzard | mhall: I didn't realize a special driver was needed and since it's from around 2000, I figured it was just one of the early ones where ACPI didn't work properly |
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| 04:22.02 | Koal1 | netcat, oh ... no '-f' actually. that was typing mistake |
| 04:22.14 | mhall | Wyzard: I thought IBM was more careful than that. Rat bastards. |
| 04:22.23 | abrotman | fbi: use the floppy! .. it's just a grub menu .. boot your normal system .. run the normal grub install crap .. !bless me .. reboot |
| 04:22.25 | Wyzard | mhall: I don't know exactly what the difference is... it's the option labeled "IBM Thinkpad Extras" in the ACPI section of the kernel config |
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| 04:22.42 | mhall | those cock knockers |
| 04:22.49 | nixUX | lol |
| 04:22.57 | netcat | Koal1: To test what is on the tape you should be able to cat /dev/st0 and then pipe it into tar. You might want to do -tvf to check the contents first. |
| 04:23.00 | fam | how do you setup RAID? |
| 04:23.00 | encompass | moimoi abort |
| 04:23.24 | nixUX | who IBM? |
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| 04:24.23 | mhall | nixUX: yeah |
| 04:24.29 | mhall | nixUX: for not using standard fucking ACPI |
| 04:24.52 | mhall | nixUX: i'll have to put a great big concrete shoe up their great big blue corporate ass |
| 04:25.00 | nixUX | they make up for support Linux now :-) |
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| 04:25.10 | mhall | nixUX: good they better |
| 04:25.31 | mhall | nixUX: or i'll make sure those pig fuckers are pushin up daisies in the NYSE graveyard |
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| 04:25.53 | fbi | figures, the only livecd i have handy looks like someone was chopping up lines of blow on it all night |
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| 04:25.55 | nixUX | you would of had Udev if it were not for IBM so.. |
| 04:26.05 | mhall | nixUX: but udev is messed up |
| 04:26.07 | nixUX | wouldn't |
| 04:26.16 | nixUX | no it's not |
| 04:26.18 | jariep1_ | how do you rotate an image an arbitrary number of degrees in GIMP? |
| 04:26.19 | mhall | nixUX: and devfs was almost as fucked but still worked half-assed |
| 04:26.26 | mhall | nixUX: i sure couldn't get it fucking going |
| 04:26.32 | Koal1 | netcat, 'mt -f /dev/st0 tell' said it is 'At block 0'; but the error cat gives me error 'cat: /dev/st0: Input/output error'; what is the problem? |
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| 04:26.42 | nixUX | devfs is broken deyond repear |
| 04:26.42 | mhall | nixUX: but then again i was never good at screwing with devices because i really don't deal with them much |
| 04:26.52 | nixUX | beyond* |
| 04:27.01 | mhall | nixUX: the big issue in devfs is that the maint up and disappeared |
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| 04:27.18 | jsn | nixUX: In any new way? I ask because my machine recently became majorly hosed. |
| 04:27.31 | nixUX | lets not bring up the devfs Vs Udev debate because Udev loses full stop |
| 04:27.43 | nixUX | devfs loses |
| 04:27.57 | nixUX | should of said |
| 04:28.17 | jsn | "Try it yourself |
| 04:28.24 | dondelelcaro | it's mainly a case of no one wanting to support devfs anymore, so it's been dropped. |
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| 04:28.31 | Wyzard | mhall: http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/README FYI |
| 04:28.37 | jsn | " it says, "which cat" but it simply hangs when syslogd tries to start. |
| 04:28.42 | dondelelcaro | neither system is a panacea |
| 04:28.43 | nimak | how do i check a file's permissions? |
| 04:28.56 | dondelelcaro | nimak: ls -l or stat |
| 04:29.02 | nimak | thaks |
| 04:29.15 | nimak | thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 04:29.37 | netcat | Koal1: Not sure what to tell you. I think that should have worked... |
| 04:29.49 | mhall | Wyzard: mmm proprietary goodness |
| 04:30.01 | mhall | Wyzard: that's the words i want to fucking hear right there |
| 04:30.01 | jsn | Any guesses what I ought to try? In addition to having run e2fsck, I mean? |
| 04:30.06 | nixUX | dondelelcaro, true but devfs has unfixable things and never did when it was mean to do, goals |
| 04:30.13 | jsn | I tried mounting the root partition, and which is there. |
| 04:30.26 | mhall | nixUX: what it did do, it did better than udev |
| 04:30.38 | mhall | nixUX: you did not have a delay in creating the nodes because the kernel made them |
| 04:30.54 | magyar | is gnunet available for debian? |
| 04:30.55 | mhall | nixUX: udev is broken because it's hard to get the nodes to appear since the user space has to make them |
| 04:31.05 | mhall | nixUX: imho, it's fucked. QED |
| 04:31.23 | nixUX | Udev does ALL the things that devfs did in it's easy stages |
| 04:31.38 | netcat | Koal1: As an alternative to cat; you can try: dd if=/dev/st0 of=/tmp/dumpfile bs=512 count=1 that should write a one block file to the /tmp directory. Then you can use the "file" command on it to see if it shows a "tar archive". |
| 04:31.40 | Koal1 | netcat, thanks for your help ^^ |
| 04:32.16 | nixUX | mhall, it's MUCH smaller, it reduces device clutter, it has better device naming scemes |
| 04:32.23 | dondelelcaro | save for the fact that udev does it slower. |
| 04:32.28 | mhall | nixUX: devfs could also reduce clutter |
| 04:32.41 | mhall | nixUX: the naming scheme is independent of creation methodology |
| 04:32.44 | nixUX | devfs never did any of that, and it's fully userspace |
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| 04:32.51 | mhall | nixUX: devfs could be made smaller with a skilled developer |
| 04:32.58 | jsn | devfs does reduce clutter, but that main article on why it isn't the thing, going forward, was compelling. |
| 04:33.12 | nixUX | mhall, "could" |
| 04:33.18 | mhall | i'd fix it myself if i had another 5 years of C experience |
| 04:33.23 | netcat | Koal1: Has this drive been working OK and now it is acting up? Did you just get this drive and are trying to get it to work? |
| 04:33.26 | dondelelcaro | not like it really matters; no one wanted to put in the time to fix it, so it was axed. |
| 04:33.39 | mhall | i'm so tired of Linux's broken devices that i'd find a grant to make it go away |
| 04:33.47 | nixUX | mhall, like I said it have unfixable issues, a complete rewrite would have to be done |
| 04:34.02 | mhall | nixUX: the only unfixable code is the code uncoded |
| 04:34.07 | nixUX | besides HAL, workes nice with udev |
| 04:34.16 | mhall | nixUX: i've refactored all manner of ancient broken code |
| 04:34.22 | nixUX | devfs is dead, game over |
| 04:34.34 | jsn | nixUX: You are? |
| 04:34.45 | jsn | The eternal infallible one? |
| 04:34.47 | nixUX | thats why it's out of the kernel |
| 04:34.48 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; if someone really likes devfs, they can always resurrect it. No one appears to be rushing out to do it. |
| 04:34.53 | Koal1 | netcat, I just have this drive. I don't have any working procedure on it. |
| 04:35.05 | nixUX | jsn, it's just a fact, thats all |
| 04:35.34 | nixUX | I can understand all the die hard devfs fans |
| 04:35.48 | jsn | Any guesses why, during boot, it seems like nothing is being mounted? why "which" isn't being found? Why the system boot hangs when syslogd tries to start? |
| 04:35.48 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i'm thinking the future solution lies in the same area as unix98 ptys |
| 04:35.56 | dondelelcaro | mhall: could very well be. |
| 04:36.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i really don't understand the user space philosophy |
| 04:36.13 | mhall | dondelelcaro: it makes the autodetect / node allocation very very ugly |
| 04:36.22 | dondelelcaro | not necessarily |
| 04:36.30 | Koal1 | netcat, 'dd: reading `/dev/st0': Input/output error'; '0+0 records in'; '0+0 records out' |
| 04:36.33 | mhall | dondelelcaro: perhaps you could fix it with inotify |
| 04:36.49 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what do you think |
| 04:36.50 | nixUX | jsn, why have a device is /dev if it's not there on the system or being used?, thats just makes since |
| 04:36.53 | jsn | If you were the Feds, you might like the idea of being able to create device nodes from userspace if your / partition was actually read only. just a guess. |
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| 04:36.58 | nixUX | sense* |
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| 04:37.18 | mhall | jsn: er. but then you still have to do the write |
| 04:37.18 | dondelelcaro | mhall: could be; I don't really have enough experience with that to say for certain. |
| 04:37.27 | jsn | nixUX: So, all unix until udev made no sense. |
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| 04:37.43 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i need to write some apps with it to figure out how to work it |
| 04:37.44 | nixUX | made no sense, are you mad? |
| 04:38.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i have an old-school file detector demon i can update to have an inotify module |
| 04:38.02 | netcat | Koal1: Sounds like the drive is not happy. Not sure where you should go to next. You might try pasteing your error messages in google and see what pops up, can't hurt... |
| 04:38.06 | mhall | dondelelcaro: that will make a fun project |
| 04:38.16 | jsn | nixUX: Perhaps I misunderstood. You _did_ say that excess entries under /dev "makes no sense?" |
| 04:38.18 | dregan | abrotman:I modified dovecot.conf to /home/%u/Maildir/, used maildirmake for current user (ensured ownership) refreshed the imap folders in external mail reader, sent a new mail and I'll be darned if the mail still went to the /var/mail folder and append to that users file.... The new sent mail was listed in the /home/user/Maildir/Sent Items/cur and I still cannot get new mail! |
| 04:38.24 | nixUX | Udev does everything devfs did and it was only soemthing like 5k |
| 04:38.31 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i bet it will be obscenely faster than readdir(...) |
| 04:38.42 | Koal1 | netcat, thanks a lot ^^ |
| 04:38.42 | mhall | dondelelcaro: readdir is a mighty ugly function afaict |
| 04:38.52 | netcat | Koal1: Good luck... |
| 04:38.55 | jsn | Any guesses why, during boot, it seems like nothing is being mounted? why "which" isn't being found? Why the system boot hangs when syslogd tries to start? |
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| 04:39.08 | mhall | jsn: udev? |
| 04:39.14 | caliber | Is there no AMD64 release for 3.1_r0 ? |
| 04:39.18 | caliber | I can't find the CD image on the site. |
| 04:39.24 | Wyzard | jsn: Does /usr/bin/which exist? |
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| 04:39.35 | jsn | Anyone want to tell me what it might be? What they can rule out? |
| 04:39.42 | jsn | mhall: devfs |
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| 04:40.01 | jsn | Wyzard: I'm in rescue mode. /bin/which exists after I mount /target |
| 04:40.09 | bucky | which which |
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| 04:40.34 | Wyzard | jsn: It's /usr/bin/which on my system... maybe something is trying to run "/usr/bin/which" specifically? |
| 04:41.27 | jsn | Wyzard: During the boot scroll I see one program try. I am seeing an error about a particular lib scroll by a few times. FireHOL, in specific, notices it can't find which. syslogd is what hangs everything, though. |
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| 04:41.42 | foo | What's an easy way to find out what version of xchat is in testing and unstable ? |
| 04:42.01 | jsn | foo: Try packages.debian.org |
| 04:42.04 | jsn | :) |
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| 04:42.27 | Wyzard | jsn: What's the library that you're seeing errors about? |
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| 04:43.39 | jsn | The first error is not find libprce.so.3 |
| 04:44.02 | Wyzard | jsn: That's in /usr/lib on my system |
| 04:44.19 | jsn | I see a permission denied on /etc/network/run/ifstate called by /etc/rcS.d/S39ifupdown |
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| 04:44.39 | jsn | hotplug says it "can't synthesize pci hotplug events" |
| 04:44.47 | Wyzard | jsn: Does that library exist, in either /lib or /usr/lib, on your system? |
| 04:44.58 | jsn | mount: unknown filesystem usbdevfs |
| 04:45.38 | jsn | more libpcre, cut not found, [ unary operator expected, then entering runlevel 2 and syslogd hangs |
| 04:46.12 | Wyzard | jsn: Does libpcre.so.3 actually exist somewhere on your system? |
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| 04:46.33 | mhall | you know you've gone too far when you get banned from #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:46.54 | blanky | hey guys |
| 04:46.55 | jsn | I'm pretty sure it does. This is the longest I've ever not rebooted (only 10 days!) (laptop) |
| 04:47.18 | blanky | I downloaded the ISOs through direct HTTP, they're only like 385 mb, but when I open in winrar it says it's 4 gigs unpacked...so...it's the real thing right? |
| 04:47.19 | jsn | I can reboot rescue and try to mount stuff till I find it, if you'd like. |
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| 04:47.31 | Wyzard | jsn: "Pretty sure" doesn't help to troubleshoot the problem... check whether it exists, and if so, where it is |
| 04:47.54 | nixUX | I got to 7 days and then KDE beta 3.4 kdm locked up the system when killing it :-) |
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| 04:48.14 | blanky | hey guys it's blank, but since my name is already registered :( |
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| 04:48.32 | Wyzard | jsn: If you're booted from a rescue CD, you don't have to reboot to look for a file on your hard drive |
| 04:48.32 | nixUX | killall KDE |
| 04:48.37 | Wyzard | jsn: Just mount the hard drive |
| 04:48.47 | mhall | blanky: yeah about that |
| 04:48.48 | myren | how to i rip an RTP stream? |
| 04:48.53 | mhall | blanky: that does not sound good |
| 04:48.59 | mhall | blanky: you better check the MD5 sums |
| 04:49.08 | blanky | :'S |
| 04:49.26 | blanky | yeah, about that...how can I do that...heh, nevermind I'll search google |
| 04:49.34 | Wyzard | myren: I think mplayer has an option for that |
| 04:49.38 | mhall | blanky: yeah you can get an md5 checker googling |
| 04:49.49 | mhall | blanky: then look for an MD5 sum file in the dir you dled from |
| 04:49.52 | blanky | Cause in rar it says it's the 4 gigs unpacked, but when I just put my cursor over it in windows, it's like 400 mb |
| 04:49.54 | Wyzard | myren: -dumpstream |
| 04:50.04 | jsn | Wyzard: Sorry, 20 second ping to you. I had rebooted into normal (dying) mode so I could recount the errors more easily. |
| 04:50.08 | mhall | blanky: if you link me to the dir i'll help find the sum file |
| 04:50.24 | nixUX | myren, RTP? |
| 04:50.37 | Wyzard | jsn: The high ping is probably my ISP at fault... it was disconnecting me earlier |
| 04:50.57 | myren | Wyzard: looks like its working, many thanks |
| 04:51.27 | myren | nixUX: a) your name really has me borked, b) its a streaming... something.. protocol I guess? its used by realmedia, i think some of the other's too |
| 04:51.36 | myren | nixUX: cat yourself a .ram file some day |
| 04:51.54 | nixUX | oh ram |
| 04:52.12 | jsn | libpcre is under /usr/lib for me, too. |
| 04:53.07 | nixUX | myren, "borked" remind me what that means? |
| 04:53.17 | mhall | nixUX: broken |
| 04:53.25 | nixUX | :-) |
| 04:53.28 | nixUX | good |
| 04:54.01 | Wyzard | jsn: Check whether the file's readable |
| 04:54.06 | Wyzard | jsn: and run fsck on your filesystem |
| 04:54.09 | chealer | jsn: which grep version? |
| 04:54.47 | jsn | I've _never_ had this bad a connection from this other machine before. Not once. |
| 04:54.54 | deadcat | fuse and/or encfs is broken in sid. for a while now... |
| 04:54.59 | myren | tehre wree smoe relaly cool atlrices aobut how you can read text even if its out of order, so long as first and last latter are right... your name totally fscks with that sense of expectation nixUX |
| 04:55.15 | myren | that got boring quick |
| 04:55.24 | nixUX | lol |
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| 04:55.51 | nixUX | yer, words are great hey! |
| 04:56.02 | jsn | I've run e2fsck on everything. |
| 04:56.07 | Wyzard | deadcat: If you want an encrypted filesystem, dm-crypt works well |
| 04:56.10 | blanky | hey whoever was helping me, I think it works! I put the DVD in and it opened the autorun.bat and opened the web page! :D |
| 04:56.20 | blanky | look at me! 'I'm a big kid now!' |
| 04:56.29 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'm currently using LVM on top of dm-crypt on my laptop |
| 04:56.33 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. i do use dm-crypt. but sometimes i want to use encfs for small files. |
| 04:56.38 | blanky | The big leap from ubuntu to to too ...asdjfklasdjf, * ubuntu to debian |
| 04:56.49 | jsn | Hmm. When I try grep, it says "libpcre.so.3" cannot open shared object file |
| 04:56.51 | myren | Thats bizarre... photoshop only supports 16 bit color |
| 04:57.02 | myren | and here game developers are talking smack about 128bit floating point |
| 04:57.05 | Wyzard | jsn: Could be a corrupted filesystem... run fsck |
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| 04:57.07 | chealer | jsn: which grep version? |
| 04:57.13 | deadcat | Wyzard: wow.. nice. i only use dmcrypt as a file then mount as device. VERY nice. (= |
| 04:57.28 | jsn | chealer: I can't run grep. I'm in rescue, and it can't seem to find /target/usr/lib |
| 04:57.51 | nixUX | myren, yer, PS works well in WINE, prefer GIMP in Linux though |
| 04:57.55 | deadcat | Wyzard: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/cmount <- but it has small bug. too lazy to fix now. hehe |
| 04:58.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: I have 3 partitions: a tiny one for /boot which has kernel an initrd, a big one which is the encrypted data, and a swap partition which is encrypted separately with a key chosen randomly each time the system boots |
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| 04:59.04 | deadcat | Wyzard: very nice... but i dont need that much security. (= how does it work? each time you ahve to type passwd when bootup to say runlevel 2? |
| 04:59.09 | chealer | jsn: can you access /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 04:59.52 | Wyzard | deadcat: The passphrase prompt is done by the initrd, as part of the process of mounting the root filesystem |
| 05:00.11 | Wyzard | deadcat: I don't actually "need" that much security either, but I figured it'd be fun to try so I set it up the other day |
| 05:00.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: nice.. i see. |
| 05:00.11 | nixUX | wow, it's amazing how much kernel work can be done in two weeks |
| 05:00.15 | blanky | wooooow, my debian dvd just burned in 10 seconds... |
| 05:00.42 | deadcat | Wyzard: it sure is (= |
| 05:01.12 | deadcat | Wyzard: too bad i dont think i can change the passwd on my 650MB device file. but its ok. |
| 05:01.39 | Wyzard | deadcat: I had to fiddle with it a little -- I ran into a minor bug that's currently outstanding against yaird, and another which I think is a minor bug in LVM but I need to investigate it more |
| 05:02.18 | Wyzard | deadcat: dm-crypt on top of LVM (the other way around) is easier to set up, but that's sub-optimal because it reveals what logical volumes you have and what their sizes are |
| 05:02.31 | Wyzard | deadcat: You might be interested in cryptsetup-luks btw (unofficial package) |
| 05:02.45 | deadcat | luks? |
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| 05:03.10 | jsn | Trying to run /target/bin/grep --version yields a similar error. libpcre.so.3 not found. Is that a clue? |
| 05:03.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: ah.. |
| 05:03.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: It makes encrypted devices that have a small header containing all the crypto parameters (which cipher, key length, etc.) |
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| 05:03.40 | Wyzard | deadcat: The data is encrypted with a randomly-chosen key, and that key is encrypted with another key derived from your passphrase |
| 05:03.51 | chealer | jsn: well, you're quite certainly running 2.5.1.ds2-3 anyway |
| 05:04.16 | Wyzard | deadcat: so you can change your passphrase without having to re-encrypt all the data... and it also lets you store up to ten passphrases for the device |
| 05:04.20 | deadcat | cool... dm-crypt and fuse is really cool. i used to use cryptoloop )= |
| 05:04.28 | jsn | chealer: huh? I was running 2.6.11 and/or 2.6.14 yesterday. |
| 05:04.33 | chealer | jsn: I'm not sure how you can upgrade if dpkg isn't functional, but there are good chances that one of the reports will mention a workaround |
| 05:04.38 | myren | test test |
| 05:04.38 | myren | am i here? ;) --? |
| 05:04.48 | chealer | jsn: heh. what release do you run? |
| 05:05.00 | jsn | chealer: sid/powerpc. |
| 05:05.00 | nixUX | myren, roger |
| 05:05.27 | deadcat | Wyzard: will look into that pkg. (= |
| 05:05.49 | jsn | I have to admit, I finally bit the bullet and installed a debian kernel, I had been building my own with the source packages for many years now. Had trouble with the initrd concept. I kinda got past it, but then had other issues. So was back at 2.6.11 |
| 05:05.56 | deadcat | jsn: maybe its broken. what version of grep? |
| 05:05.58 | chealer | jsn: hint: you should stick to something more stable. check the BTS for a solution |
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| 05:06.21 | blank | hey guys, is there a live debian distro? |
| 05:06.27 | myren | is there any way to search the names and taglines of all packages? i know apt-cache search --names-only, i could've sworn there was like a --titles-only but i see it not. any aptitude hackery or some suck? |
| 05:06.28 | blank | i'd reeeaaaalllyyy like one |
| 05:06.28 | blank | :D |
| 05:06.30 | blank | :-D |
| 05:06.31 | Wyzard | deadcat: Getting your Debian installation onto a dm-crypt device requires using some sort of rescue or liveCD, naturally... I used Ubuntu, whose cryptsetup package includes LUKS already |
| 05:06.32 | jsn | deadcat: Why does everyone ask that? I can't run grep, it complains about libpcre.so.3 |
| 05:06.33 | blank | :----DDDD |
| 05:06.38 | chealer | blank: no |
| 05:06.57 | blank | *crying like a little kid* |
| 05:07.07 | deadcat | jsn: maybe you have a broken version. thats why |
| 05:07.21 | deadcat | Wyzard: i see. |
| 05:07.21 | mhall | !tell me about yaird |
| 05:07.31 | mhall | damn no bot fact |
| 05:08.02 | nixUX | Big news is, 2.6.15-rc1 has a BIG compile time speed up |
| 05:08.16 | deadcat | cool |
| 05:08.22 | deadcat | -2min off ? |
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| 05:08.35 | nixUX | especially on powerpc |
| 05:08.44 | deadcat | cool (= |
| 05:08.49 | myren | dude, it only takes 6 minutes to compile anyways |
| 05:08.54 | deadcat | currently 40min on my 800mhz g3 |
| 05:09.07 | nixUX | myren, depends on the configuration |
| 05:09.07 | deadcat | 6min? shit. i thought like 30min |
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| 05:09.25 | jsn | chealer: Um, I know some stuff, but not others. What did you mean to seach for libprce in bts? |
| 05:09.27 | Wyzard | and on how fast your computer is |
| 05:09.30 | myren | just pullin some legs |
| 05:09.30 | foo | What ups daemon do you guys recommend for debian? |
| 05:09.37 | foo | I have a CyberPower UPS |
| 05:09.40 | nixUX | if it's setup for your machine support only then yes |
| 05:09.43 | chealer | jsn: no...grep |
| 05:09.48 | mhall | fuck fuck fuck a duck screw a kangaroo, finger bang an orangutan; support your local zoo |
| 05:09.50 | jsn | ah |
| 05:10.12 | myren | erm, if that werent so heinously inappropriate, i'd kind of want to teach it to dpkg |
| 05:10.27 | mhall | myren: consider the source |
| 05:10.42 | mhall | myren: we can make it into a smite |
| 05:10.57 | mhall | myren: replace support your local zoo with god <nick> loves the zoo |
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| 05:11.37 | myren | did i mention heiniously inappropriate? |
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| 05:13.45 | jsn | Well, I hope I wasn't too much of a pita. Thanks chealer, Wyzard, deadcat. |
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| 05:14.05 | myren | I should choke the living fsck out of deadcat, he's already dead |
| 05:14.06 | mhall | myren: yes you did but i ignored it |
| 05:14.08 | myren | Mine wouldnt like it |
| 05:14.30 | mhall | myren: perhaps he is of the Schrödinger order |
| 05:14.43 | nixUX | Oo |
| 05:14.55 | myren | dude, you broke out the umlats |
| 05:15.05 | mhall | myren: and the UTF8 |
| 05:15.07 | myren | (or is that dirt on my monitor) |
| 05:15.09 | fam | anyone of you messing with celeron d ? |
| 05:15.19 | nixUX | AGP gets some real fixing |
| 05:15.30 | myren | With what nixUX |
| 05:15.47 | nixUX | 2.6.15-rc1 |
| 05:15.56 | mhall | Linux themhallbox 2.6.14 #1 PREEMPT Mon Oct 31 17:01:04 PST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:16.13 | myren | Xglx was soo the best hope we had |
| 05:16.14 | nixUX | hope the nvidia driver compiles :-) |
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| 05:16.23 | myren | Our last best hope |
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| 05:16.54 | jsn | Hrm, I don't want to reboot, I just want to shutdown. How do I do that most sanely from rescue? |
| 05:16.57 | nixUX | nvidia driver has been great for awhile now for compatibility |
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| 05:17.21 | mhall | myren: what's the problem |
| 05:17.32 | mhall | myren: ATI and NV work ok |
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| 05:17.36 | bullweivelz | if you are bored then please check out this quiz and tell me what you think about my answers. I am curious to find out what others think of how complete and good my answers are. Questions range from TCP/IP basics to SMTP/FTP. http://www.tnt-ok.com/netquiz/netsecure.htm Feel free to comment directly to me. Thanks! |
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| 05:17.46 | mhall | myren: they'd release source but then they'd be sued because US parent law is broken |
| 05:17.52 | Wyzard | myren: I think the idea is that Exa is just a temporary holdover so we have *something* half-decent to use while a proper (probably GL-based) solution is in the works |
| 05:17.57 | mhall | myren: fix patent law and then ATI and NV will fix their licenses |
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| 05:18.25 | myren | I was talking more about the fact that we're still not using any of the 3d acceleration capabilities of our video cards, aka 99% of the 200mil+ transistors |
| 05:18.31 | mhall | myren: a pain in the ass yes but after the public revolts because USPTO let people patent FUCKING STORY PLOTS FOR THE LOVE OF THE EUCHARIST i think it shouldn't be too hard |
| 05:18.32 | myren | less the driver fiasco |
| 05:18.37 | shirocn | somebody have installed quake III arena ??? |
| 05:18.45 | nixUX | exa is MUCH better than we have now |
| 05:18.47 | mhall | myren: what about UT2K4 with SDL? |
| 05:18.51 | mhall | myren: and the id games |
| 05:18.52 | chealer | jsn: # halt ? |
| 05:18.53 | jsn | There is no way to shut down from the install system? |
| 05:18.55 | mhall | myren: don't these count? |
| 05:19.04 | mhall | jsn: Ctrl-Alt-Del works at minimum |
| 05:19.06 | myren | No, they're not OpenGL apps, of course they're acceled |
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| 05:19.14 | wireddd | what package is mknode in? |
| 05:19.18 | nixUX | shirocn, I have it yes |
| 05:19.27 | myren | Exa is retreading a /lot/ of Mesa territory |
| 05:19.29 | myren | and thats hogwash |
| 05:19.45 | nixUX | it's way faster |
| 05:19.49 | Wyzard | wireddd: coreutils, and it's "mknod" |
| 05:20.03 | wireddd | hah |
| 05:20.10 | nixUX | it's not a easy job to do |
| 05:20.14 | myren | yeah but why make software fallbacks for all thsi stuff and do custom code paths for each driver only to go and make it all 3d accelerated and rely on the mother of software fallbacks, opengl |
| 05:20.15 | shirocn | nixUX I have a problem to run q3 : Couldn't load default.cfg |
| 05:20.15 | Wyzard | myren: but re-engineering the X server to do everything in GL is huge rework |
| 05:20.19 | Wyzard | myren: It'll take time |
| 05:20.27 | shirocn | I don't know why |
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| 05:20.28 | Wyzard | myren: Exa was relatively quick to implement |
| 05:20.50 | mhall | myren: your logic confuses me |
| 05:20.59 | myren | Wyzard: thats mildly comforting to hear, but its still being worked on |
| 05:21.06 | mhall | myren: i'm wondering if it's illogic but being non-expert on graphics i can't say |
| 05:21.09 | nixUX | shirocn, get the patch "linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run" |
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| 05:21.30 | myren | I'm simply saying Exa stands alone as an alternative to Mesa basically, which is going to get scrapped in large part and replaced by either Mesa or direct accel |
| 05:21.32 | Wyzard | myren: What's being worked on is just adding Exa support to some drivers, I think |
| 05:21.50 | nixUX | last time I tried the nv driver with composite it was MUCH faster |
| 05:21.52 | Wyzard | myren: It's complicated by the fact that they're refactoring Xorg into separate modules at the same time |
| 05:21.56 | myren | So its been for a long long time Wyzard |
| 05:21.59 | shirocn | ok let me try |
| 05:22.13 | myren | you have an excellent point. I was neglecting to factor that in. |
| 05:22.22 | nixUX | in xorg cvs that was |
| 05:22.43 | myren | Is there any Exa for nvidia yet? Last I saw a couple months ago, i seem to recall it being ATI + some relative no names... |
| 05:22.59 | nixUX | myren, thats what i'm saying |
| 05:23.13 | myren | You said it was much faster |
| 05:23.14 | nixUX | the nv driver is MUCH faster |
| 05:23.34 | Wyzard | myren: nvidia has its own equivalent feature already, called RenderAccel |
| 05:23.35 | myren | That might've just been some of the utter trash they fixed on the AGPGART |
| 05:23.39 | Wyzard | myren: However, it's buggy |
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| 05:24.01 | nixUX | xcompmgr is and xorg |
| 05:24.12 | nixUX | it's not all nvidia fault |
| 05:24.26 | myren | Wyzard: that is... interesting... to say the least. I presume it largely parallels Exa, v. being a driver to exa |
| 05:24.36 | nixUX | latest xorg rc is much better |
| 05:24.42 | myren | forgive the fact that a huge part of Exa IS drivers |
| 05:25.04 | nixUX | espeically in gnome |
| 05:25.40 | myren | nixUX: The memory management on X was attrocious. It stored everything in system memory if you had any sort of composition or snooping at all |
| 05:26.01 | myren | There was some buzz about at least using AGP mem. That would fix worlds. |
| 05:26.06 | laissez | I'm trying to install squirrelmail but it attemps to install Apache.. and I'm using Lighttpd |
| 05:26.08 | mhall | Wyzard: yeah renderaccel got its bonez0r ownz0r3d when i tried it |
| 05:26.12 | mhall | Wyzard: oof ugly crash |
| 05:26.13 | laissez | how can I avoid it tries to install apache ? |
| 05:26.18 | nixUX | you get redraw in Windows, with composite on I get NO redraw what so ever |
| 05:26.33 | myren | Wyzard: any idea how RenderAccel works? What does it implement to "Accel"? |
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| 05:26.57 | Wyzard | mhall: It used to crash on me so I turned it off... a few weeks ago I turned it on and found that it didn't crash, but had nasty visual glitches |
| 05:27.06 | mhall | Wyzard: hmm |
| 05:27.21 | mhall | Wyzard: maybe it works better in their cvs |
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| 05:27.26 | mhall | Wyzard: too bad we can't get that |
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| 05:27.28 | myren | laissez: sorry man, but looks like you are going to ahve to contact package maintainer or install both. |
| 05:27.29 | nixUX | yes it does |
| 05:27.38 | mhall | Wyzard: they take a while to send out detonator rels |
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| 05:27.50 | mhall | Wyzard: speaking of which i might need one |
| 05:27.52 | Wyzard | mhall: http://schala.dyndns.org/~mike/renderaccel-b0rkenness.png |
| 05:28.03 | nixUX | remember it's experimental anyway and the nvidia driver dont use that why of drawing to the screen |
| 05:28.08 | laissez | myren: or install it manually? |
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| 05:28.44 | Wyzard | myren: It accelerates the XRender extension, specifically... XRender does server-side drawing operations |
| 05:28.46 | myren | laissez: or that. i would still request you file a bug on it though |
| 05:29.03 | mhall | Wyzard: fuckin cracktastic, that |
| 05:29.07 | jeff__ | Does anyone know how big various architectures are on a debian mirror? http://www.debian.org/mirror/size appears to be significantly out of date |
| 05:29.11 | myren | Ok, so its entirely orthogonal to Exa, which is built to accel XRender, yes. |
| 05:29.15 | myren | Which is fine enough |
| 05:29.17 | mhall | Wyzard: looks like you broke your monitor |
| 05:29.20 | mhall | Wyzard: ;-) |
| 05:29.35 | mhall | jeff__: could you look at an ls-R file? |
| 05:29.41 | Wyzard | myren: The Composite feature uses Render to tell the X server "take these pixmaps (depicting separate windows) which you already have,and draw them at these locations on the screen" |
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| 05:29.55 | myren | Yes, I'm actually not talking out of my ass and have some idea how X works |
| 05:29.55 | jeff__ | mhall: Any easy way to sum that up by arch? |
| 05:30.09 | Wyzard | myren: Ideally, the driver can tell the video card to do that entirely in hardware, so it's very fast |
| 05:30.14 | myren | at least, not /entirely/ talking out of my ass |
| 05:30.29 | mhall | jeff__: yeah i'm trying to throw out ideas |
| 05:30.46 | myren | unfortunately i also learned a lot of what i have from idling in #freedesktop and chatting with renderman, and i'm rather warped, especialyl from the latter. |
| 05:30.55 | Wyzard | myren: but without Exa or RenderAccel, the driver instead has to copy the pixmaps back *out* of the video card (which is a slow operation -- AGP is optimized for writing, not reading) and manually draw them back to the framebuffer |
| 05:30.58 | mhall | jeff__: i think the easy way would be to awk it |
| 05:31.00 | nixUX | It's a myth that xprg takes up so much memory anyway, people think it's 200Mb + |
| 05:31.09 | nixUX | xorg* |
| 05:31.16 | mhall | jeff__: and for each file containing the string for each arch on the end of its name |
| 05:31.20 | myren | Wyzard: no that is wrong |
| 05:31.24 | mhall | jeff__: add to some seperate counter var |
| 05:31.38 | Wyzard | myren: XRender is used in a lot of places... it's used for drawing anti-aliased text blended into whatever's behind it, for example |
| 05:31.40 | Wyzard | myren: oh? |
| 05:31.48 | mhall | jeff__: might have to change the output number format string to get a full print of the number |
| 05:31.48 | myren | Wyzard: it doesnt use vram, X keeps it in system memory |
| 05:31.53 | mhall | jeff__: but otherwise that should work |
| 05:32.16 | Wyzard | myren: Composite doesn't keep the offscreen pixmaps in video memory? |
| 05:32.28 | myren | Like I was saying, X had a terrible memory management problem. There were some glitches until very recently that kept them from using anything but pure system memory, they werent even using the AGP memory |
| 05:32.34 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:32.56 | mhall | jeff__: something like '/386/{c386 += $(wherever file size is);} /sparc/{cSPARC += $...}' |
| 05:32.58 | Wyzard | myren: Well, at any rate, doing the actual compositing requires reading the framebuffer if there's alpha-blending involved |
| 05:33.05 | Wyzard | myren: or non-rectangular windows or whatever |
| 05:33.05 | mhall | jeff__: a ten-liner should be adequate |
| 05:33.20 | mhall | jeff__: of course, what to add? the stuff in pool/* |
| 05:33.26 | myren | If it needs to start reading data from vram, it stops holding it in vram and goes immediate mode, iirc. |
| 05:33.28 | jeff__ | mhall: thanks....I'll poke around with that (was kinda hoping someone had already done that) |
| 05:33.34 | Wyzard | myren: and lots of blending arithmetic in software that really ought to be done by the hardware if only the driver could tell it to do so |
| 05:33.38 | myren | Stores it in shmem |
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| 05:33.49 | myren | Yes, thats all XRender |
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| 05:34.32 | Wyzard | Exa is a way to at least remove that bottleneck |
| 05:34.47 | bullweivelz | if you are bored then please check out this quiz and tell me what you think about my answers. I am curious to find out what others think of how complete and good my answers are. Questions range from TCP/IP basics to SMTP/FTP. http://www.tnt-ok.com/netquiz/netsecure.htm Feel free to comment directly to me. Thanks! |
| 05:34.55 | Wyzard | I'm sure something GL-based will come later... after they take the time to engineer it properly |
| 05:35.00 | steve2 | Hi, My apt-get dist-upgrade today installed apache-perl which then took over port 80. My vhost users are unhappy that my documentroot site showed up instead of theirs. I'm running testing. |
| 05:35.12 | myren | FB.O's are fscking sweet. The whole thing is already solved in OpenGL, thats the kicker |
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| 05:35.35 | Wyzard | steve2: If your upgrade installed anything new, it sounds like you're running testing or unstable |
| 05:35.39 | myren | Exa is basically re-crafting FB.O's for each particular video card |
| 05:35.55 | steve2 | Yes. testing |
| 05:36.01 | Wyzard | steve2: Why are you running testing on a production system? |
| 05:36.02 | myren | Same net effect, but one involves its own archtiecture and driver implementation for each video driver |
| 05:36.28 | steve2 | stable was too old. I didn't want to deal with backports. |
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| 05:36.43 | myren | The only reason its not a total waste is because I belive very strongly in the do things twice, once to fuck it up and throw it away, the second time to do it right. |
| 05:36.51 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:37.00 | myren | Well, I suppose accel for non OpenGL systems is actually notably worhtwhile |
| 05:37.07 | myren | Now that I think about it that does justify the entire project |
| 05:37.08 | markybob | steve2: now you've learned. |
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| 05:37.40 | atp | hey, anyone here have any ncurses programming experience? |
| 05:37.46 | steve2 | Any hints to downgrade back to stable? |
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| 05:38.04 | markybob | steve2: wont happen |
| 05:38.06 | Wyzard | steve2: Reinstall -- downgrades aren't supported |
| 05:38.14 | steve2 | Thanks |
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| 05:38.36 | VivekVC | I trying to use phppgmyadmin, i get the following error message "you have not properly compiled PostgreSQL support into your PHP". I visited the site http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/?page=faq. It tells me to edit the /etc/php.ini file and uncomment 2 lines there. I am using Debian Testing and i do not find the /etc/php.ini file. Kindly guide as to how to proceed. Thanks in advance. |
| 05:39.03 | markybob | VivekVC: try installing php |
| 05:39.22 | VivekVC | markybob: php is already installed |
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| 05:39.37 | markybob | VivekVC: then you'd have a /etc/php.ini file |
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| 05:39.48 | Wyzard | myren: I do worry about my old laptop which has no 3D acceleration... but at the same time, its battery is shot and its backlight is dying, and I'm planning on replacing it soon, so maybe I shouldn't worry so much about older systems without 3D cards :-) |
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| 05:40.10 | gareth_ | someone pm me |
| 05:40.14 | VivekVC | markybob: I am using php4 |
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| 05:40.37 | VivekVC | markybob: phpmysql admin works fine on my system |
| 05:40.50 | markybob | VivekVC: how did you install phppgadmin? |
| 05:41.20 | myren | Wyzard: I've got the second radeon mobile chip ever made, the extra low power one (I think they were actually referring to GPU power when they said that)... |
| 05:41.23 | VivekVC | markybob: apt-get install phppgadin |
| 05:41.36 | VivekVC | phppgadmin* |
| 05:41.40 | myren | I still think OpenGL accel will do wonders for my desktop |
| 05:41.51 | markybob | VivekVC: apt-get install php4-pgsql |
| 05:42.03 | Wyzard | myren: "power" in the sense of wattage, or polygon fill rate? :-) |
| 05:42.29 | gareth_ | hallo |
| 05:42.31 | nixUX | myren, buy OS-X :-) |
| 05:42.39 | myren | exactly Wyzard |
| 05:42.42 | myren | Over my dead body. |
| 05:42.47 | steve2 | I have /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and /etc/php4/cli/php.ini in my testing. no /etc/php.ini |
| 05:43.05 | nixUX | wait for Vista? :-) |
| 05:43.11 | myren | Fujitsu P1000 series for life. 8.9 inch widescreen touchscreen. Minimum 4 hour battery life. 2.5 pounds with extra-cap battery. |
| 05:43.15 | VivekVC | markybob: I have to install php4-pgsql, but i get the message "The following packages will be REMOVED: php4-odbc" |
| 05:43.34 | VivekVC | markybob: will removing php4-odbc be a problem ? |
| 05:43.37 | myren | I'm so damned glad they finally released a new P1000. Its a hybrid tablet. Sooo psyched. |
| 05:43.58 | markybob | VivekVC: if you dont use odbc, no. you'd know if you did, so go ahead |
| 05:45.48 | gareth_ | # |
| 05:45.48 | gareth_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.14 | nixUX | later |
| 05:46.24 | VivekVC | markybob: I am not exactly sure if i use odbc here on this system |
| 05:46.27 | myren | g'night |
| 05:46.47 | markybob | VivekVC: then you dont |
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| 05:47.18 | VivekVC | markybob: But i recon odbc is a pretty useful application.., just did a google and wikipedia search. |
| 05:47.45 | markybob | VivekVC: listen, i dont have time to play with you. either you take my advice or you go figure things out yourself. i happen to know what i'm talking, but i dont care either way |
| 05:47.49 | foo | Any ideas on this dhcp problem? http://pastebin.com/429987 |
| 05:47.55 | setuid_w00t | If I pull my ethernet cable for a few minutes and then plug it in again, my internet is dead until I do /etc/init.d/networking restart Is this the way things are expected to work? |
| 05:48.11 | Wyzard | setuid_w00t: No, that shouldn't happen |
| 05:48.16 | VivekVC | markybob: ok |
| 05:48.38 | setuid_w00t | Wyzard: So it should work again when I plug it back in? |
| 05:48.40 | Wyzard | setuid_w00t: Unplugging your cable shouldn't do anything at all (unless you've installed something like ifplugd, but you'd know if you did that) |
| 05:50.04 | VivekVC | markybob: sorry if i upset you, I was just trying to search and find out what ODBC is myself rather than asking in the channel.I recon i'll go ahead and install php4-pgsql. |
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| 05:50.40 | Wyzard | VivekVC: ODBC is an API for applications to access databases in a database-independent (and therefore least-common-denominator) way |
| 05:50.51 | setuid_w00t | Wyzard: that's what I thought. Thanks for confirming that. Although I don't really know how to go about troubleshooting this |
| 05:50.53 | Wyzard | VivekVC: It's not a program you run yourself; it's something which an application uses |
| 05:51.14 | Wyzard | VivekVC: Unless you have PHP scripts installed which need to access databases via ODBC, you don't need that package |
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| 05:51.48 | Wyzard | setuid_w00t: A good place to start would be to determine in exactly what way the network "doesn't work" |
| 05:51.50 | wide_awake | Hello |
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| 05:52.06 | Wyzard | setuid_w00t: Run ethereal on another machine and try to ping it, and see if it receives the pings, for example |
| 05:52.07 | VivekVC | Wyzard: Thanks for that piece of info. |
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| 05:52.54 | wide_awake | the debian mirrors page doesn't seem to have any content... anyone know of a list of mirrors in western canada / northwest u.s.? |
| 05:53.36 | markybob | wide_awake: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
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| 05:53.46 | Uralyl | hi |
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| 05:54.05 | Uralyl | hello, i am looking for some kind of tutorial about directories permitions (about chmod, chown and such), i'm a little lost with it and i tried to google about it but cant find anything specific about dirs, can someone point me to an useful url? |
| 05:54.36 | avar | man chmod;man chown; man ... |
| 05:54.42 | Uralyl | hehe |
| 05:54.48 | Uralyl | thanks avar i did |
| 05:55.02 | atp | Uralyl: you're probably best off looking at a simple unix or linux tutorial |
| 05:55.19 | bullweivelz | Uralyl: here you go...its what i just used http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml |
| 05:55.21 | Uralyl | but i'm a little lost about the x attribute on dirs |
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| 05:55.34 | bullweivelz | what are you lost about on them ?? |
| 05:55.36 | atp | Uralyl: if a directory is "executable" you can cd to it |
| 05:55.39 | Wyzard | Uralyl: Execute permission on a directory means permission to enter the directory to access its contents |
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| 05:55.45 | wide_awake | thanks |
| 05:55.53 | bullweivelz | yep...i just learned that today :) |
| 05:56.03 | Wyzard | Uralyl: With read permission but not execute, you can see a list of the files in the directory, but can't actually access them |
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| 05:56.13 | Uralyl | thanks a lot bullweivelz, that was exactly what i was looking for |
| 05:56.19 | Uralyl | :) |
| 05:56.28 | atp | Wyzard: isn't it the other way around? |
| 05:56.29 | bullweivelz | yw...i looked for several hours to find that damn link. ;) |
| 05:56.46 | myren | wahts that game where you connect actors to kevin bacon? |
| 05:56.53 | atp | Wyzard: hehe i can never remember either |
| 05:57.58 | Wyzard | atp: Read permission gets you the list of files, which is basically what a directory consists of |
| 05:58.21 | atp | Wyzard: right, i just did a test myself... but you can't stat() the files in the directory |
| 05:58.38 | Wyzard | atp: Execute permission lets you "traverse" the directory, which means doing anything with it besides seeing the names of the files it contains |
| 05:58.50 | Uralyl | i bet, i'm googling sometimes and i just didnt get even a far explaination of it, thanks for the link |
| 05:59.23 | Wyzard | atp: Statting a file involves reading its inode to get its ownership, permissions, size, etc. |
| 05:59.26 | wide_awake | markybob: you know the path to the netinst iso images? (or are those on another site?) |
| 05:59.35 | atp | Wyzard: right, right, i'd reversed it all in my head. |
| 05:59.46 | Wyzard | atp: and lack of execute permission on the directory prevents you from looking up the inode that goes with the name |
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| 06:00.33 | Uralyl | Wyzard: (i'm still reading bullweivelz link) but there's a case when you cant list file in a directory an yet, you can open a file in it? (i'm not sure to understand the point here anyway) |
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| 06:01.02 | markybob | wide_awake: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:01.03 | Wyzard | Uralyl: I guess having execute permission but not read permission would do that, but I don't feel like testing it |
| 06:01.20 | wide_awake | markybob: that's slow as molasses :) |
| 06:01.20 | Uralyl | ah ok, i'll try |
| 06:01.23 | wide_awake | uhh |
| 06:01.25 | wide_awake | :( |
| 06:01.52 | atp | night |
| 06:01.59 | Uralyl | goo night |
| 06:02.04 | Uralyl | good |
| 06:02.05 | Uralyl | ;) |
| 06:02.07 | markybob | wide_awake: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:02.12 | tengulre | :) |
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| 06:02.59 | wide_awake | markybob: where are you finding these? |
| 06:03.24 | markybob | wide_awake: out of my ass. i already knew about everything i've told you so far. |
| 06:03.27 | wide_awake | cdimage ~ 17k/s |
| 06:03.37 | wide_awake | osuosl ~ 27k/s |
| 06:03.52 | wide_awake | not terribly speedy still |
| 06:04.19 | markybob | wide_awake: i just tried osuosl and got 1.10M/s |
| 06:04.24 | markybob | wide_awake: something's wrong on your end |
| 06:04.37 | wide_awake | probably those sites are far away |
| 06:04.49 | markybob | osuosl is northwestern us. what you asked for |
| 06:04.56 | wide_awake | :/ |
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| 06:05.57 | bullweivelz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.26 | keops | hello ppl,first time here im trying to connect to internet, by using a cable modem, hooked up from usb port, what should i do at first? |
| 06:06.50 | wide_awake | bleh. I'll download overnight and play w/ it tomorrow. |
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| 06:06.53 | wide_awake | thanks markybob |
| 06:06.59 | nekostar | how can i find a contrib source |
| 06:07.01 | markybob | keops: return it and get a real cable modem. most usb cable modems simply wont work on linux |
| 06:08.27 | keops | markybob how can i see if my ethernet is working well, i just install win but it didn`t recognize my ethernet |
| 06:08.35 | keops | installed i meant |
| 06:08.38 | keops | oops |
| 06:08.51 | markybob | well that made no sense |
| 06:09.07 | keops | heh excuse my english |
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| 06:09.14 | keops | my native lenguage is spanish |
| 06:09.22 | markybob | keops: then go to #debian-es |
| 06:09.24 | markybob | they can help better |
| 06:09.30 | keops | hmmm |
| 06:09.38 | keops | didn`t i explain myself? |
| 06:09.38 | ChrisX | hello, what is debian? |
| 06:10.07 | markybob | no. i heard ethernet, usb and windows all at the same time. not often that i hear about installing crap in windows in #debian |
| 06:10.09 | keops | markybob how can i check that all my devices are working pretty well |
| 06:10.19 | keops | hahaha |
| 06:10.21 | markybob | ChrisX: www.debian.org |
| 06:10.35 | keops | markybob i had to do it, because of my trouble |
| 06:10.59 | keops | markybob would u mind giving me a hand with this stuff? |
| 06:11.02 | markybob | keops: and i told you that usb cable modems dont work in linux 99% of the time. |
| 06:11.33 | markybob | keops: google your cable modem's brand and model. i'd bet money that it doesnt work, though. you need a cable modem that hooks into a standard (cat 5) ethernet card |
| 06:11.38 | keops | markybob but it also has a cable wich can be hooked up to ethernet |
| 06:11.48 | markybob | keops: ha. well, silly, use that |
| 06:12.03 | markybob | keops: so what's the problem once you connect it via ethernet? |
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| 06:12.16 | markybob | keops: did hooking it up via ethernet work in windows? |
| 06:12.28 | keops | markybob the question was easy, i dont know how to it, `cause is my first time |
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| 06:12.33 | mike_ | hi, i am just wondering how i could set my Xcursor to the default white gnome looking one |
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| 06:12.50 | markybob | keops: dhcp? |
| 06:12.54 | mike_ | or get a cooler looking set of cursors and change it |
| 06:12.55 | keops | markybob how can i see, if linux detected my eth0 |
| 06:12.59 | markybob | keops: ifconfig -a |
| 06:13.03 | keops | ok |
| 06:13.12 | keops | what is supposed to appear there |
| 06:13.19 | keops | is beacuse im under winshit |
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| 06:13.22 | keops | :( |
| 06:13.33 | markybob | keops: it's supposed to show your network cards |
| 06:13.38 | markybob | keops: are you using gnome or kde? |
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| 06:13.42 | encompass | How do I change the resolution of my computer in x? |
| 06:13.45 | keops | kde |
| 06:13.59 | mike_ | encompass: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:14.03 | markybob | keops: do you get ip via dhcp or static ip? |
| 06:14.06 | thc | !drxx encompass |
| 06:14.09 | dpkg | encompass: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:14.21 | keops | markybob via dhcp |
| 06:14.23 | keops | i guess so |
| 06:14.43 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:14.44 | dpkg | guess is, like, a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:14.47 | keops | is beacuse, when i start winshit, it is already connected to net |
| 06:14.49 | markybob | keops: ok, try this. hook it up via ethernet. reboot into linux. log into a terminal as root. "dhclient eth0" |
| 06:14.52 | encompass | but I don't want to make the changes permenent, I just need 800x600 when I use the tv out |
| 06:14.54 | markybob | keops: that should do it |
| 06:15.01 | encompass | so how can I just switch |
| 06:15.09 | keops | oks |
| 06:15.12 | keops | thanks dude |
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| 06:23.17 | encompass | I have a euro keyboard, which keyboard setting should I use? pc102 or 105? |
| 06:23.57 | litage | how does jfs compare to ext3? |
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| 06:25.55 | cahoot | litage: http://linuxperf.sourceforge.net/iozone/iozone.php |
| 06:26.14 | litage | thanks cahoot |
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| 06:27.47 | streuner | !filesystem |
| 06:27.48 | dpkg | from memory, filesystem is You can tune a filesystem, but you can't tune a fish. see fs comparison |
| 06:27.50 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 06:27.50 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 06:29.13 | litage | thanks streuner |
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| 06:31.54 | infinity1 | speaking of reiser4. where is the 2.6.14 debian patch |
| 06:33.25 | Guerin | infinity1: apt-cache search reiser patch |
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| 06:36.31 | hebfftijd | sugestion for an easy in use backup prog |
| 06:36.43 | infinity1 | Guerin: err ..thats 2.6.12 :) |
| 06:37.28 | infinity1 | i need to get more performance on this thing. no $ so gotta use software. heh |
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| 06:41.45 | ecampii | hello |
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| 06:45.52 | Guerin | infinity1: it might apply cleanly |
| 06:46.03 | Guerin | infinity1: if not, i guess you'll have to find another way |
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| 06:46.48 | mike_ | hi, how can one change his x cursor? |
| 06:48.01 | mike_ | anyone? |
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| 06:49.41 | tcsetattr | the X cursor normally changes depending on what window it's over |
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| 06:50.01 | mike_ | huh? |
| 06:50.09 | Guerin | mike_: update-alternatives |
| 06:50.25 | Guerin | mike_: or google for x cursor howto |
| 06:50.32 | tcsetattr | over the root window, it might look like an X... over an xterm, it looks like a big I... over a menu it might look like an arrow pointing up-and-left |
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| 06:50.42 | mike_ | :-( |
| 06:51.04 | mike_ | tcsetattr: i downloaded a cursor set, i want to use it |
| 06:51.16 | mike_ | i followed the instructions that came with it, but they didn't work |
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| 06:51.47 | mike_ | make ~/.icons/ etc... |
| 06:53.18 | tcsetattr | oh, well, I don't know about that. I thought you were asking from a programming perspective (how to affect the cursor appearance over your program's window) |
| 06:53.52 | mike_ | nah, sorry |
| 06:54.00 | mike_ | brb, trying something else |
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| 07:00.11 | Firestarter | after trying to upgrade cpp gcc I get the following error The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:00.12 | Firestarter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.12 | Firestarter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.23 | Firestarter | is there a way to fix this |
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| 07:00.46 | rookmoot | hello, good morning ! |
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| 07:02.48 | rookmoot | i have a little problem, i received localmail saying : sardine : Nov 14 22:42:08 : rookmoot : unable to lookup sardine via gethostbyname() where sardine is my hostname |
| 07:03.11 | rookmoot | i can't sh autogen.sh a app |
| 07:03.16 | rookmoot | without having this problem |
| 07:03.26 | rookmoot | does it a know problem ? |
| 07:04.06 | Guerin | rookmoot: add sardine to your 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts |
| 07:04.25 | rookmoot | it's will work |
| 07:04.29 | rookmoot | i need to reboot ? |
| 07:04.33 | Guerin | Firestarter: upgrade build-essential |
| 07:04.35 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 07:04.35 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 07:04.55 | rookmoot | :p |
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| 07:06.03 | clueless | Firefox pretends java doesnt exist even though I installed it long time ago. Where do I look to begin to trouble shoot? |
| 07:06.33 | lunitik | clueless: ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 07:06.54 | lunitik | clueless: you need to symlink libjavasomeshit from the java package there... |
| 07:07.02 | Guerin | clueless: did you install java by the instructions in the topic? |
| 07:07.02 | rookmoot | i have changed my hostname in hosts, but always have this erreur making a autogen.sh : http://pastebin.com/430035 |
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| 07:07.47 | Spliffster | i want to change my root disk from beeing used as ide disk to sata. this means the device name changes from /dev/hdc to /dev/sda. can i add more than one entry in /boot/grub/device/map (pointing to the same physical disk but another device name) ? |
| 07:08.00 | cougar` | Can anyone tell me how I update a package in debian? |
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| 07:08.12 | Spliffster | err /boot/grub/device.map that is |
| 07:08.19 | lunitik | cougar`: apt-get install thisonepackageiinstalledonce |
| 07:08.23 | cougar` | Trying to update a package I have installed |
| 07:08.29 | rookmoot | cougar`, apt-get upgrade or apt-get install will update it |
| 07:08.37 | cougar` | thanks |
| 07:08.42 | cougar` | Ya know |
| 07:08.55 | cougar` | I'm not a newbie at this, but if I don't use the commands regulary, I forget them :( |
| 07:09.05 | cougar` | It's nice to know I can come here for help |
| 07:09.06 | rookmoot | hihi |
| 07:09.13 | cougar` | hi hi |
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| 07:09.17 | dondelelcaro | cougar`: in the future, just use man apt-get; or apropos. |
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| 07:09.26 | litage | is there much point in giving /usr its own partition? |
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| 07:09.44 | dondelelcaro | litage: depends on what you're doing |
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| 07:09.51 | TraceGreen | hello, dose anybody know how to edit windows registry in linux ? |
| 07:10.00 | dondelelcaro | litage: I do myself, but then I know exactly what I want on /usr. |
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| 07:10.12 | litage | dondelelcaro: in what situations would you give /usr its own partition? |
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| 07:10.17 | JohnnyST | hi how do I make xdmcp work in sarge ? I see the computer with gdmchooser but when I try to connect gdmchooser closes with (gdmchooser:7494): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_add_emission_hook: assertion `signal_id > 0' failed |
| 07:10.32 | dondelelcaro | litage: I almost always give it one, primarily so that / is much smaller and therefore less likely to be damaged. |
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| 07:11.05 | dondelelcaro | but again, I've got 21 partitions mounted on this machine, so I'm probably not the common case. |
| 07:11.21 | cougar` | Okay : rookmoot : How do I find if there is a newer version available than what I have? |
| 07:11.40 | Guerin | clueless: what branch of debian are you using? |
| 07:11.42 | litage | dondelelcaro: heh 21! how have you broked your FS down to 21 partitions? |
| 07:11.47 | litage | s/broked/broken/ |
| 07:11.49 | dondelelcaro | cougar`: with apt-cache show, or using aptitude. You can also use --dry-run |
| 07:11.51 | SimonRaven | i have /var split into 5 partitions on its own... |
| 07:11.53 | Guerin | clueless: if there's a newer version available, it will typically be installed for you |
| 07:12.13 | Guerin | clueless: sorry |
| 07:12.16 | Guerin | cougar`: ^ |
| 07:12.18 | dondelelcaro | litage: most of it is other stuff, actually... I generally just roll with /var/log /var/www /var /usr / /home and possibly /root |
| 07:12.25 | rookmoot | cougar`, if a new version exist, apt will install it to you if you do : apt-get install packagename |
| 07:12.40 | cougar` | okay |
| 07:12.42 | rookmoot | noone have solution to my problem ? |
| 07:12.48 | SimonRaven | that's what i do, pretty much |
| 07:12.57 | litage | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 07:13.09 | cougar` | Okay, I'm writing these command sdown, maybe if I write them down I'll remember them |
| 07:13.15 | cougar` | What do I use to update apt-cache |
| 07:13.20 | dondelelcaro | (the other partitions are primarily on other machines, or drives that just have data on them |
| 07:13.26 | dondelelcaro | cougar`: apt-get update |
| 07:13.28 | SimonRaven | litage: if you have databases, i'd split off /var/lib too |
| 07:13.35 | rookmoot | cougar`, apt-get update |
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| 07:14.02 | nixUX | hmm, ok I just built 2.6.15-rc1 |
| 07:14.08 | cougar` | Thanks! |
| 07:14.18 | cougar` | Rookmoot : What is your problem you are having? |
| 07:14.20 | nixUX | 872Mb free |
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| 07:14.35 | dondelelcaro | rookmoot: sounds like you're running with the wrong version of autotool |
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| 07:14.58 | litage | why are databases stored in /var/lib? that seems like a strange place, imho |
| 07:15.11 | cougar` | Library |
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| 07:15.24 | cougar` | Databases are like librarys |
| 07:15.28 | rookmoot | dondelelcaro, i think not... |
| 07:15.30 | torc | how many logical partitions can be created on i386? |
| 07:15.38 | dondelelcaro | litage: because they're variable possibly architecture specific data. |
| 07:15.43 | rookmoot | automake 1.9, autoconf 2.59 |
| 07:15.47 | litage | ah |
| 07:16.03 | rookmoot | libtool 1.1467 |
| 07:16.08 | rookmoot | it's maybe that ? |
| 07:16.29 | dondelelcaro | rookmoot: they're not necessarily backwards compatible...and if you're just running aclocal, you're not running automake1.9 |
| 07:17.02 | Perseid | Hi. So, yeah. My computer is about to be set on fire. I'm trying to update Debian's kernel from 2.4 to 2.6, but it keeps saying I don't have any ramdisk packages installed, and I do. |
| 07:17.14 | rookmoot | dondelelcaro, i'am not an expert in this domain :) |
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| 07:18.37 | rookmoot | dondelelcaro, my libtool it's an 1.5a |
| 07:18.45 | dondelelcaro | rookmoot: on Debian, aclocal is currently 1.4... you'll need to run aclocal-1.7 or whatever is right [the readme/configure.in should say) |
| 07:18.46 | rookmoot | could be that ? |
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| 07:19.14 | rookmoot | apt-cache search aclocal |
| 07:19.18 | rookmoot | dont find anythink |
| 07:19.41 | xidaux | What's the most novel, ambiguous, changing, unpredictable, or multifaceted window manager for Linux and unix ? Enlightenment maybe ? |
| 07:19.42 | dondelelcaro | rookmoot: it's in automake. |
| 07:19.58 | rookmoot | :p |
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| 07:21.56 | d03boy | ive got debian running on this comuter and ubuntu on my other computer. Is there an easy way I can "share" xchat so that I can see it on my other computer? |
| 07:22.20 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i'm at the blootbot CVS tree. what file(s) specifically are the changed/added lines in? |
| 07:22.22 | litage | i'm having my first foray into software RAID (using mdadm). normally, i have 5-10 partitions. is it safe/stable/okay to use the same partitioning scheme for RAID drives as for non-RAID drives? |
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| 07:23.37 | JohnnyST | Xwrapper is not avalible in debian what can I use instead? |
| 07:24.05 | nixUX | Wonder why some distros dont enable preemption model in there kernel? |
| 07:24.42 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/src/dbi.pl?root=Blootbot&rev=4&r1=2&r2=4 |
| 07:24.43 | rookmoot | dondelelcaro, i have found my problem, there is because i used the libtool of the experimental repo and not libtool of the unstable one :) |
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| 07:25.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:25.17 | dondelelcaro | nixUX: because it's not necessarily useful in all cases, nor has it matured enough to be enabled everwhere. |
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| 07:25.40 | dondelelcaro | it'll probably be built into more and more kernels, though. |
| 07:26.03 | nixUX | it's great for desktops |
| 07:26.24 | nixUX | but yer servers would be a question mark |
| 07:26.38 | Dodecahedron | What's the most novel, ambiguous, changing, unpredictable, or multifaceted window manager for Linux and unix ? |
| 07:26.46 | Dodecahedron | E17 ? |
| 07:26.51 | dondelelcaro | Dodecahedron: you asked that previously; if no one answered, they don't know. |
| 07:27.06 | dondelelcaro | (or the question was ambigious) |
| 07:28.15 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: looking glass |
| 07:28.20 | Guerin | Dodecahedron: looking glass |
| 07:28.24 | nixUX | gnome will own your all in 2.14 :-) |
| 07:28.42 | Guerin | nixUX: oh, so they're making it even MORE bloated? |
| 07:28.48 | Guerin | hardly seems possible |
| 07:28.48 | dondelelcaro | only by sheer wait of its library dependencies. |
| 07:28.51 | dondelelcaro | s/wait/weight/ |
| 07:29.06 | nixUX | Guerin, no, much faster acually |
| 07:29.09 | HarryL | when X started after login "Window Selector" and "WorkSpace Switcher" had crashed and asked if applet should be restarted, so I said yes. Is there a problem somewhere? |
| 07:29.14 | SerajewelKS | nixUX: bloat != slow |
| 07:29.22 | Guerin | nixUX: i'm not explicitly talking about speed |
| 07:29.27 | SerajewelKS | nixUX: though it usually implies slow |
| 07:29.31 | nixUX | 2.14 will address that |
| 07:29.43 | d03boy | anyone know what type of drives laptops use? I need to mount one that is in /dev |
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| 07:29.53 | nixUX | there doing it now |
| 07:29.59 | dondelelcaro | !+depends gnome-session |
| 07:29.59 | SerajewelKS | d03boy: they use hard drives |
| 07:30.01 | dpkg | gnome-session: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.9), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxmu6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxrandr2 | xlibs ... |
| 07:30.09 | Guerin | nixUX: address what? The hundreds of MB of arcanely complex dependencies? The tanged web of impossible-to-use config options? |
| 07:30.12 | SerajewelKS | d03boy: but seriously, they should use IDE or ATA |
| 07:30.23 | d03boy | ah, so it will just be hda1 or something |
| 07:30.32 | SerajewelKS | d03boy: should be /dev/hda, yeh |
| 07:30.35 | dondelelcaro | when you have more library dependencies than can be read without falling alseap, there's a problem. |
| 07:30.35 | Guerin | nixUX: the dozens of arbitrarily-made limitations on the UI in the name of 'simplicity'? |
| 07:30.40 | nixUX | Guerin, the speed issues with gtk and pango |
| 07:30.46 | d03boy | hmm... is there a way to find out which partition it is? im looking for the fat32 partition |
| 07:30.59 | nixUX | Guerin, I guess you dont like gnome? |
| 07:31.08 | SerajewelKS | !+depends kdebase |
| 07:31.09 | Guerin | nixUX: unless they scrap the whole bunch of subsystems named after animals, I don't see much benefit |
| 07:31.11 | dpkg | kdebase: depends on kappfinder (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kate (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kcontrol (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kdebase-bin (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kdebase-data (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kdebase-kio-plugins (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kdepasswd (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kdeprint (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kdesktop (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kfind (>= 4:3.4.2-4), khelpcenter (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kicker (>= 4:3.4.2-4), klipper (>= 4:3.4.2-4), kmenuedit (>= 4:3.4.2-4), konqueror-nsplugins (>= 4:3.4.2-4), konqueror (>= 4:3.4.2-4), ... |
| 07:31.15 | Dodecahedron | Guerin: What do you think of WMI ? |
| 07:31.21 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: KDE wins ;) |
| 07:31.21 | Guerin | and deepening involvement with udev can't be good, either |
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| 07:31.34 | Guerin | Dodecahedron: nothing. |
| 07:31.35 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: oh, they're both craptacular. |
| 07:31.37 | nixUX | the deps are not a problem |
| 07:31.44 | HarryL | It was a fresh reboot and X login so why would the applets ahve crashed? |
| 07:31.47 | nixUX | I have the time |
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| 07:31.57 | Guerin | nixUX: the deps ARE the problem |
| 07:32.06 | Guerin | what happened to modularity? |
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| 07:32.11 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, one of the problems) |
| 07:32.11 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: oh yeah.. i still use KDE just because i can't stand super-simplistic desktops |
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| 07:32.22 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i use IceWM on my VNC server though |
| 07:32.22 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: really? |
| 07:32.45 | Guerin | i use openbox and evilwm about equally |
| 07:32.59 | SerajewelKS | i think i tried openbox, and i think it didn't like me or something |
| 07:33.02 | nixUX | Guerin, If you have time they are not and gnome is easy to build, just need the order |
| 07:33.13 | dondelelcaro | but then again, I've got enough terms open that I can't see the background on any of my 9 workspaces |
| 07:33.26 | setuid_w00t | Here's a question for you all: If I install the kde meta-package, is there a way to remove some of the crap it installs without having to select each of the packages individually in aptitude? |
| 07:33.27 | Guerin | nixUX: no, they ARE a problem - there are too many of them, and a bug in one can break the whole damn lot |
| 07:33.46 | Guerin | nixUX: the last time openbox broke because of a bug in a dependent lib ... well, I can't think of when that was |
| 07:33.53 | dondelelcaro | not to mention how much havoc abi transitions wreak on it |
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| 07:33.55 | nixUX | there always bugs, what you talking about! |
| 07:33.56 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 07:33.57 | dpkg | X makes me vomit! |
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| 07:34.05 | Guerin | nixUX: yes. And more code means more bugs. |
| 07:34.05 | SerajewelKS | well said |
| 07:34.09 | nixUX | FUD thats what |
| 07:34.19 | nixUX | Gnome is acually smaller |
| 07:34.20 | Perseid | Ok. I used the net install cd to get stable, then I upgraded to testing then unstable. Now KDE won't come up because it says /dev/mice doesn't exist(which it does). Bootup also says udev failed because it needs 2.6 and I still have 2.4. |
| 07:34.31 | nixUX | so get your facts right |
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| 07:34.52 | dondelelcaro | nixUX: it's most definetly not smaller than openbox. We're not talking about KDE v gnome here. |
| 07:34.54 | Guerin | nixUX: smaller than WHAT? |
| 07:35.02 | Guerin | nixUX: kde? Woah, big achievement. |
| 07:35.08 | nixUX | Gnome has got small and small in release after release |
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| 07:35.13 | nekostar | not that im anyone |
| 07:35.20 | nekostar | ive used gnome effectively |
| 07:35.26 | nixUX | it's now under 100Mb |
| 07:35.31 | SerajewelKS | as soon as someone makes a desktop environment for X that has something like OS X's Expose, i'm there |
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| 07:35.53 | nekostar | but if i could get openbox to recognize my menu and get the debian menu to update properly then i would rather use that |
| 07:35.56 | Guerin | the thing is that a wm like openbox, plus a panel, plus a filemanager supplies about 75% of the functionality a normal user needs, for a total expenditure of something like 10MB. The rest of the bloat of gnome adds little usability per additional bugginess. |
| 07:36.05 | dondelelcaro | setuid_w00t: yes, you go and mark each of the packages it depends on as being manually installed, and then remove the metapackage and whatever else you want to jettison. |
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| 07:36.20 | dondelelcaro | setuid_w00t: hint: you can do this on the depends: tab in aptitude... |
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| 07:36.22 | nixUX | thought are minimal WM, no comparission |
| 07:36.33 | HarryL | seriously, need help understanding why workspace applet crashed and is it big deal |
| 07:36.36 | nekostar | Guerin, at least give me a command from the menu to execute programs without the terminal |
| 07:36.42 | nekostar | :P |
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| 07:36.46 | t3 | Can anyone tell me is Acroread 7.0.5 runs on Sarge ? (the web site only lists RH requirements) |
| 07:36.47 | SerajewelKS | dunno why, but i've never been a fan of minimalism |
| 07:37.05 | nekostar | SerajewelKS, i just want it to look clean and run fast... |
| 07:37.12 | SerajewelKS | i don't want bells and whistles up the wazoo either.. but for some reason KDE seems to have the right amount of features for me |
| 07:37.19 | setuid_w00t | dondelelcaro: sounds a bit tedious, but I might give it a try |
| 07:37.20 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: http://svn.donarmstrong.com:8080/don/trunk/home-plus/.config/openbox/ knock yourself out. |
| 07:37.36 | dondelelcaro | setuid_w00t: it shouldn't take more than about 8 keystrokes |
| 07:37.38 | nekostar | ^_^ AWESOME thanx dondelelcaro |
| 07:37.58 | Guerin | nixUX: aptitude install gnome-core -> After unpacking 159MB will be used. |
| 07:38.05 | nixUX | KDE was badly bloaded pre 3.4, it's only a matter of time before gnome gets optimized, like I said they are working on it |
| 07:38.13 | Guerin | nixUX: aptitude install gnome -> After unpacking 514MB will be used. |
| 07:38.26 | Guerin | nixUX: tell me that ain't library bloatage |
| 07:38.27 | SerajewelKS | nekostar: yeah fast is good but i can't use it if it doesn't have some form of mildly-complex wallpaper |
| 07:38.31 | nixUX | i'm talking about source code |
| 07:38.33 | Guerin | oh, and I already have GTK2 installed |
| 07:38.49 | nekostar | there are things like that for X as i recall |
| 07:38.52 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: so xsetbg |
| 07:38.57 | nekostar | something about drawing on root window or something |
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| 07:39.00 | Guerin | nixUX: how does 100MB of source become 500MB of binary? |
| 07:39.06 | torc | "On 32-bit architectures (i386, m68k, 32-bit SPARC, and PowerPC), the maximum size of a swap partition is 2GB." -- is this still true? |
| 07:39.21 | nixUX | Guerin, go look at the source packages for each release, they are actaully smaller |
| 07:39.28 | dondelelcaro | torc: could be; but you can always have multiple swap partitions |
| 07:39.33 | neoxan | WE'RE JAMMING! |
| 07:39.41 | neoxan | And i hope you like Jamming too |
| 07:39.41 | torc | dondelelcaro: i needa 8gb one :/ |
| 07:39.42 | neoxan | :D |
| 07:39.48 | Guerin | nixUX: my point above regarding openbox stands. The 80/20 rule. |
| 07:39.49 | dondelelcaro | torc: so have 4 2G ones |
| 07:39.50 | nixUX | not debian, the source code of gnome |
| 07:39.51 | SerajewelKS | torc: if you need 2gb of swap, you need to get some more *real* memory |
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| 07:40.10 | torc | SerajewelKS: application requires 1.5 times the memory in any case ;) |
| 07:40.13 | SerajewelKS | torc: but i think you can create and use multiple swap partitions |
| 07:40.16 | HarryL | my system never seems to use swap |
| 07:40.25 | nixUX | Guerin, openbox is minimal, only if you like that kind of thing |
| 07:40.34 | torc | dondelelcaro: its on RAID, so those could follow each other? |
| 07:40.42 | Guerin | nixUX: with a couple of small additions it becomes not-minimal. |
| 07:40.43 | neoxan | anyone want sex with me? |
| 07:40.47 | neoxan | im open to anyone! |
| 07:40.48 | Guerin | nixUX: you. |
| 07:40.51 | servus | !moo |
| 07:40.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 07:40.53 | Guerin | neoxan: you. |
| 07:40.54 | dondelelcaro | torc: sure, doesn't really matter |
| 07:40.55 | servus | dpkg wants you. |
| 07:41.15 | SerajewelKS | for some reason, the most memory-hungry program i run is gaim |
| 07:41.18 | torc | dondelelcaro: thx. |
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| 07:41.26 | Guerin | nixUX: until you can provide some convincing argument against my 80/20 rule, |
| 07:41.32 | SerajewelKS | it's using about 2mb less ram than X.org |
| 07:41.35 | Guerin | nixUX: there ain't much point in this |
| 07:41.39 | nekostar | lol SerajewelKS |
| 07:41.39 | servus | neoxan: updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 07:41.44 | servus | neoxan: Was it good for you, too? |
| 07:41.48 | nekostar | try running azureus and a couple dozen torrents |
| 07:41.49 | nixUX | well watch out for the next gnome |
| 07:42.05 | HarryL | hilarious |
| 07:42.07 | dondelelcaro | neoxan: consider this a warning; if you're OT again, you'll be silenced for a full rotation. |
| 07:42.11 | Guerin | nixUX: i'm sure I'll be able to see it coming far enough off to avoid it. |
| 07:42.46 | nekostar | OT dondelelcaro ? |
| 07:42.51 | nixUX | Guerin, you will not see it then as you dont use gnome, when was the last time you tried it? |
| 07:43.03 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: off topic. |
| 07:43.06 | streuner | nekostar: Off-Topic |
| 07:43.09 | nekostar | ah lol |
| 07:43.11 | SerajewelKS | rotation? |
| 07:43.12 | Guerin | nixUX: 2.08 |
| 07:43.16 | Guerin | err, 2.8 |
| 07:43.16 | nekostar | should have guessed and um |
| 07:43.20 | nixUX | there you go |
| 07:43.22 | nekostar | im guessing rotation of earth |
| 07:43.27 | SerajewelKS | nekostar: lol |
| 07:43.30 | nekostar | though it could be around the sun >_> |
| 07:43.31 | SerajewelKS | nekostar: let's hope so |
| 07:43.32 | nixUX | I guessed you didnot try it for a while |
| 07:43.47 | Guerin | nixUX: no, from what I understand it's been getting worse since |
| 07:43.48 | nekostar | XD |
| 07:43.51 | nixUX | just like a gnome user would say that about KDE |
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| 07:43.59 | Guerin | less options, more stupid default app choices |
| 07:44.06 | Guerin | more udev and hal involvement |
| 07:44.07 | nekostar | ok brb let me try openbox |
| 07:44.07 | nixUX | Guerin, NO way, thats true FUD |
| 07:44.21 | dondelelcaro | what, like getting rid of tab completion? |
| 07:44.34 | Guerin | nixUX: fwiw, I don't think kde's improving either |
| 07:44.48 | nixUX | KDE is MUCh faster in 3.4 |
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| 07:44.51 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i blame ... somethign else for that |
| 07:44.57 | nixUX | but I dont use it |
| 07:45.11 | nixUX | Guerin, wrong |
| 07:45.24 | streuner | nixUX: KDE uses a lot of RAM and HD space |
| 07:45.28 | nixUX | HAL helps desktop user alot |
| 07:45.40 | Guerin | nixUX: if it works, which it seems to not |
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| 07:45.43 | nixUX | streuner, It used to |
| 07:45.50 | streuner | nixUX: hah |
| 07:45.50 | HarryL | hal need 2.6 kernel |
| 07:45.50 | nixUX | it does |
| 07:45.57 | Guerin | nixUX: since we get at least twenty people per day in here with broken hal and udev |
| 07:45.58 | SerajewelKS | wtf is hal |
| 07:46.05 | SerajewelKS | !hal |
| 07:46.05 | dpkg | hal is, like, a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 07:46.12 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 07:46.15 | torc | separate /boot is better then having it a part of / ? |
| 07:46.16 | SerajewelKS | cool beans |
| 07:46.16 | nixUX | Guerin, then blame that on HAL not gnome |
| 07:46.27 | Guerin | i'm sure it'll be great after it's had a few years to settle and stabilise |
| 07:46.35 | nixUX | Guerin, HAL is still in easy stages |
| 07:46.50 | SerajewelKS | torc: iirc you need it in a separate partition on older systems |
| 07:46.56 | SerajewelKS | torc: otherwise it doesn't matter |
| 07:46.58 | Guerin | nixUX: the gnome maintainers decide gnome should use hal, it's on them. |
| 07:47.01 | nixUX | but it's very important for desktop users and devices |
| 07:47.05 | torc | SerajewelKS: what is older? sarge is older? |
| 07:47.14 | Guerin | nixUX: funny ... people have been coping without it for years |
| 07:47.15 | streuner | gnome-volume-manager |
| 07:47.18 | Guerin | anyway |
| 07:47.19 | SerajewelKS | torc: since on older systems the bios wouldn't boot from data more than 1mb (or so) from the front of the drive |
| 07:47.20 | torc | SerajewelKS: ah, you mean old bioses, and 1024 cylinder barrier. |
| 07:47.26 | Guerin | this is pointless |
| 07:47.27 | SerajewelKS | torc: right |
| 07:47.29 | torc | SerajewelKS: got it. thx. |
| 07:47.31 | Guerin | i really do have to go to work |
| 07:47.37 | SerajewelKS | torc: keeps the kernel on the front part of the drive |
| 07:47.54 | nixUX | HOW is average job supposed to mount his ipod, camera? HAL thats what |
| 07:48.00 | nixUX | joe* |
| 07:48.14 | torc | SerajewelKS: so, normally / is at the beginning, being an active partition, with an extended following it, and all other partiotions as logical inside? |
| 07:48.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:48.25 | nixUX | people have been saying this for years about Linux |
| 07:48.50 | liable | nixUX: average joe cant read and comprehend? |
| 07:48.58 | SerajewelKS | torc: my / is a logical partition |
| 07:49.06 | SerajewelKS | torc: on the end of the drive |
| 07:49.42 | SerajewelKS | torc: i have: [winxp (NTFS)] ext[ <swap> <linux / (ext3)> ] |
| 07:49.43 | torc | SerajewelKS: like, because of hard drive sector allocation,its faster? |
| 07:49.50 | torc | SerajewelKS: oh. |
| 07:49.52 | nixUX | liable, it's not as simple as that, they want it done for them and HAL/gnome-voloume-manager is a non intrusive way of doing it |
| 07:49.56 | SerajewelKS | torc: because that's the way i set it up :> |
| 07:50.11 | torc | SerajewelKS: like, ntfs and linux sharing the same swap? ;) |
| 07:50.25 | SerajewelKS | torc: winxp uses a swapfile, not a swap partition |
| 07:50.41 | tictac | torc: windows doesnt use swap partitions |
| 07:50.57 | torc | oic. would be nice ;) |
| 07:50.58 | SerajewelKS | torc: but that would certainly be cool if it did |
| 07:51.21 | TheCount | moin |
| 07:51.24 | torc | 512 mb is fine for / on an ordinary box? |
| 07:51.35 | tictac | although, its recommended your swap file is on a diff physical drive than the os. |
| 07:51.38 | SerajewelKS | torc: 512mb? you going to be running X? |
| 07:51.59 | torc | SerajewelKS: no, just 2 or 3 massive computational processes there. no users, no network-speaking daemons. |
| 07:52.09 | SerajewelKS | torc: should be plenty then |
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| 07:52.24 | SerajewelKS | torc: i think my sarge server used 300mb space |
| 07:52.32 | SerajewelKS | torc: before i backed up my ogg vorbis collection there =) |
| 07:52.47 | torc | SerajewelKS: 1GB for /var, 8GB for /usr, and some for /home is ok? |
| 07:52.48 | nixUX | Windows does use swap partitions |
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| 07:53.01 | SerajewelKS | torc: *shrug* my / is all one partition |
| 07:53.15 | SerajewelKS | torc: never saw the need for any other setup on a single-user system |
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| 07:53.27 | dondelelcaro | torc: 8G /usr is probably overkill... |
| 07:53.39 | dondelelcaro | unles you're going to be installing acres of packages |
| 07:53.51 | nixUX | but Linux does it proper, ofcourse :-) |
| 07:53.54 | torc | dondelelcaro: i'll keep several kernel sources there + that app is kind of a huge on. |
| 07:53.56 | torc | one* |
| 07:54.09 | SerajewelKS | nixUX: no, it uses swap *files* |
| 07:54.14 | TheCount | nixUX: there is a 'proper'? ;) |
| 07:54.29 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: you can make it use swap partitions as well |
| 07:54.29 | nixUX | yer. a swap partition |
| 07:54.42 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: really? |
| 07:54.57 | nixUX | SerajewelKS, no it can be setup to use a swap partition |
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| 07:55.12 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: it's a bit of a pain and you've got to fiddle with internals, but yeah |
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| 07:55.30 | torc | actually its possible to create some fat32 partition there, backup it on startup and restore on shutdown? :) |
| 07:55.42 | nixUX | My friend who runs a computer shop does it on his WIndows machines all the time |
| 07:55.44 | tictac | TheCount: it cant use a normal swap partition suchas linux uses though. |
| 07:55.56 | nixUX | pain though |
| 07:56.07 | nixUX | TheCount, true |
| 07:56.28 | TheCount | tictac: with some fiddling even that - but than you've got to tie into windows boot process and have to take care linux does an mkswap on the partition each time it boots |
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| 07:57.08 | SerajewelKS | i still love this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314458 |
| 07:57.14 | tictac | TheCount: everytime windows boots it, it will format the volume ntfs and place the swap file there. same when linux boots. |
| 07:58.08 | TheCount | tictac: yupp. but you don't exactly need to format it, you could just unpack a compressed empty NTFS/FAT32 image during the boot process there |
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| 07:58.43 | tictac | well, you know what i mean. |
| 07:59.08 | TheCount | tictac: sure. |
| 08:00.28 | TheCount | tictac: a custom-made FAT32 filesystem works best, thou. you'll just need to make an empty FAT32, and allocate all clusters to one file, which will be the swapfile. this way, there's no chance for fragmentation, and you can actually force windows to use it in a linear manner |
| 08:00.35 | nixUX | Windows always tells you have all your memory free, no matter what |
| 08:00.53 | tictac | TheCount: ive never done it that way. |
| 08:01.12 | setuid_w00t | what are the most popular wiki programs packaged for debian? |
| 08:01.18 | setuid_w00t | I'm just looking for something simple |
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| 08:04.55 | TheCount | ods15: try giving 'linux26' at the isolinux-prompt |
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| 08:05.23 | TheCount | ods15: (when you see the Debian-logo for the first time after you boot the CD) |
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| 08:07.22 | ods15 | TheCount: ok, lemme see... |
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| 08:08.40 | nekostar | wow this is great thanx man |
| 08:08.50 | nekostar | openbox ++ |
| 08:08.52 | nekostar | :P |
| 08:09.20 | ods15 | TheCount: ah, yey, works, thanks |
| 08:09.27 | TheCount | ods15: no problem ;) |
| 08:09.38 | nekostar | now to figure how to make a panel appear and i would be even better... though it seems i dont have the debian menu in this thing even though i have the 'menu' package in |
| 08:09.44 | ods15 | other problem.. is it possible to set up a pppoe connection from installer? |
| 08:09.52 | ods15 | one that needs username and password :/ |
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| 08:12.04 | ods15 | TheCount: anything? |
| 08:12.16 | ods15 | i don't see how, tbh i have no idea how... |
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| 08:13.11 | loxley_ | ods15: /msg dpkg pppoe |
| 08:13.19 | loxley_ | ods15: maybe will help |
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| 08:15.22 | ods15 | loxley_: i need it at installation time... |
| 08:15.48 | berzerka | hello guys. how do i hide .* files in dired(x). i know i could use the omit feature, but i guess that there must be another way of hiding them. the dired-x manual says: "Like hidden files, omitted files are never seen by Dired." but i see hidden files. how to disable it? |
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| 08:16.16 | dmz | so question...unstable or testing, which would y'all choose |
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| 08:16.38 | fireba11 | dmz: use stable ^^ |
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| 08:17.05 | dmz | fireball haven't used stable in years |
| 08:17.12 | dmz | fireball doesn't have 1/2 of the packages i use :) |
| 08:17.19 | Eclipser | !give dmz polls |
| 08:17.22 | dpkg | give dmz polls |
| 08:17.27 | Eclipser | ermm |
| 08:17.32 | Eclipser | !tell dmz about polls |
| 08:17.36 | Eclipser | there |
| 08:17.39 | berzerka | dmz: havent used unstable, very satisfied with testing (sarge, now etch). |
| 08:17.41 | Eclipser | stupid different bot logic :p |
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| 08:18.13 | dmz | ok fine then :) so what is the exact difference between unstable & testing? |
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| 08:18.52 | Eclipser | testing stuff has passed through unstable and should be "more stable" |
| 08:18.53 | zOrK | unstable had the lastest packages, that the reason cuase are unstable, the package are not complety tested.. |
| 08:19.12 | berzerka | dmz: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 08:19.13 | zOrK | and testing are alredy had the package tested |
| 08:19.24 | zOrK | that the reason cause testing is more stable then unstable :P |
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| 08:20.01 | dmz | ok, thanks |
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| 08:20.22 | zOrK | Thats the reason why are recomended testing for server uses |
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| 08:20.42 | Eclipser | umh |
| 08:20.44 | Eclipser | stables for testing |
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| 08:20.48 | Eclipser | erm |
| 08:20.54 | Eclipser | stables for servers :p |
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| 08:22.24 | dmz | so one last question, how is it decided when something goes into testing from unstable? |
| 08:22.26 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 08:23.04 | sep | dmz, when it's been deemed to stable for unstable. :) |
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| 08:23.56 | dondelelcaro | dmz: it isn't decided, it all happens automatically. |
| 08:24.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell dmz about why is foo not in testing |
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| 08:24.13 | fatal_ | dmz: if it has no critical bugs and the period (which length is decided based on the priority set when uploadning the package) is over, it'll enter testing. |
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| 08:24.36 | dondelelcaro | s/critical/RC/ and packages which it depends on can be installed and doesn't make the archive worse... |
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| 08:32.52 | torc | is it ok to mount /tmp as tmpfs? |
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| 08:33.55 | sep | torc, sure |
| 08:34.14 | torc | sep: like "swap /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" ? |
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| 08:34.30 | sep | torc, just make sure it's large enoughf for your needs |
| 08:34.33 | sep | torc, aye |
| 08:34.38 | torc | sep: ok, thx :) |
| 08:34.38 | Coke | Hello. I've installed mod_scgi and it has a LoadModule line in modules.conf (apache 1.3) but Apache does not recognize the SCGIMount config clause, why? |
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| 08:39.48 | nekostar | so wow |
| 08:40.05 | nekostar | this is so smooth im gonna have to uninstall everything and go minimal |
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| 08:40.39 | nekostar | i ended up having to copy the whole debian menu over manually but meh :P |
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| 08:42.15 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 08:43.30 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: you just need to specify the proper path to it instead of copying it over. |
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| 08:43.43 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: see the <file>/var/lib/openbox/debian-menu.xml</file> line |
| 08:44.02 | nekostar | ok |
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| 08:44.14 | nekostar | thanx i figured it was something like that xD |
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| 08:44.24 | nekostar | <<--- n00b on wheels |
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| 08:45.14 | nekostar | though i got it to toss in a few of the things i wanted here and there... now to do the debian menu... though i think the normal debian menu wasnt updating as it should have before... probably my fault again somewhere lol |
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| 08:46.10 | vladuz976 | what's a good ide for C ? |
| 08:47.25 | dondelelcaro | vladuz976: emacs+make+gdb |
| 08:47.38 | dimir | emacs! |
| 08:47.48 | vladuz976 | see i dunno emacs, i've only used vim sofar |
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| 08:47.55 | jm_ | vim has all that too |
| 08:48.05 | dondelelcaro | then use vim |
| 08:48.06 | vladuz976 | like? |
| 08:48.17 | jm_ | :help make |
| 08:48.25 | vladuz976 | what is make? |
| 08:48.38 | jm_ | nevermind then |
| 08:48.49 | clojster | do anyone know why is something in my aterm when in LoginShell mode transparent (man, vim, ls etc) and something like typing in the command line, output from groups, cat etc. has black background and white text? (I have aterm configured for green foreground and black background with pseudo transparency... |
| 08:49.01 | vladuz976 | oh like the the make |
| 08:49.22 | jm_ | clojster: probably because they set black background explicitely, instead of using default |
| 08:49.42 | clojster | jm_: and can I change it somehow? |
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| 08:49.55 | jm_ | I noticed my IRC client behaving that way too, so I add option to let it behave like other apps |
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| 08:50.09 | jm_ | clojster: I believe you'll have to change how these apps are working |
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| 08:51.01 | nekostar | o: |
| 08:51.08 | nekostar | seems i have nothing there dondelelcaro lol |
| 08:51.10 | clojster | jm_: I suspect that I have wrong settings for console... may it be connected to PS1 settings in .profile? |
| 08:51.15 | nekostar | i have the menu package in the thing too.. |
| 08:51.28 | jm_ | clojster: try not using any colours in PS1 and see if it helps |
| 08:51.40 | poncha|work | what "populates" /var/log/sysstat/ ? i have a machine with that folder empty and sar needs files there to run |
| 08:51.43 | clojster | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 08:52.11 | jm_ | poncha|work: cat /etc/cron.d/sysstat |
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| 08:53.15 | poncha|work | jm_, hm.. strange. on both machines (one having data and one not having it) i have ENABLED=false in that file |
| 08:55.26 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: you have /etc/menu-methods/openbox, right? if so, run update-menus. if not, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 08:56.24 | Eclipser | I need to make a script which will get everything from a filename before " -" string, makes a directory with that name and puts the file and the rest of those filees that start with the same string to that directory |
| 08:56.40 | Eclipser | I don't suppose there's any read to use ones? |
| 08:57.01 | clojster | jm_: yep - that helped. I have to look at it and see what option causes that black background... because i'd like to have some colors in PS1 |
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| 09:04.45 | linuxboy | hi |
| 09:04.54 | linuxboy | I'm having troubles burning DVDs with growisofs |
| 09:04.56 | linuxboy | its really slow |
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| 09:11.26 | nekostar | yeah i have that dondelelcaro .. but its not making the menu.. should i run that command dpkg was saying anyway then? |
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| 09:13.37 | nekostar | o: lets try running update-menus as root >_< |
| 09:13.52 | nekostar | bingo :/ |
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| 09:22.28 | BriajWrk | hi all |
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| 09:27.51 | Ester | hello |
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| 09:28.52 | Ester | When I start the kde session with my user, it appears this message: |
| 09:28.56 | Ester | Sound server informational message: |
| 09:28.56 | Ester | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 09:29.00 | Ester | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) |
| 09:29.27 | bibe | Ester : what does 'ls -l /dev/dsp' return? |
| 09:29.52 | Ester | Sound server informational message: |
| 09:29.52 | Ester | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 09:29.57 | Ester | ups sorry |
| 09:30.03 | Ester | crw-rw-r-- |
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| 09:30.15 | bibe | If you are not in 'audio' group, you won't be able to use audio... |
| 09:30.27 | nekostar | er yeha |
| 09:30.33 | bibe | Ester : you missed the beginning of the line |
| 09:30.43 | nekostar | so im a genius dondelelcaro and somehow now i cant get a right click menu in openbox after too much configuring or um reconfiguring XD |
| 09:30.45 | bibe | Ester : but I guess it was root audio |
| 09:30.52 | Ester | yes hehe |
| 09:30.59 | Ester | you are right |
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| 09:31.17 | Ester | but is +r for anyone, is not? |
| 09:31.36 | bibe | Ester : yes, but to play audio you need to _write_ to that device |
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| 09:31.47 | Ester | aps, of course |
| 09:31.54 | Ester | lots of thanks bibe ;) |
| 09:32.06 | bibe | Ester : become root and use 'vigr', adding your user to 'audio' group |
| 09:32.16 | Ester | oki |
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| 09:34.16 | bibe | Ester : of course there should be a GUI tool for manipulating users, but I never used it... after modifying groups, you need to login again as a user, the easiest way is to logout from KDE/Gnome/whatever and login again from kdm/gdm/xdm |
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| 09:35.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | Is there a static linked binary of "named" ? |
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| 09:35.49 | PerfDave | WoodyWoodpecker: If there is, you'll be able to find it on http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 09:36.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | Perf: thx |
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| 09:36.31 | resiak | PerfDave: You're not meant to be here |
| 09:36.36 | beans | Why can I not load the ip_tables module using kernel-image-kernel-image-2.6.8-16 ? |
| 09:36.47 | PerfDave | resiak: Why not? |
| 09:36.49 | tzafrir_laptop | WoodyWoodpecker, probably not. probably start from apt-get source bind |
| 09:37.00 | resiak | PerfDave: Thought you'd left us for ever! |
| 09:37.19 | Gumby | I am trying to follow a howto on line to get 100dpi fonts but no matter what I read and try I still get 75dpi fonts. I have the 100dpi fonts package installed. Can anyone suggest what I might be missing? |
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| 09:37.39 | PerfDave | resiak: Yeah, but I heard that the DPL's hounds had been called off, so I came back :) |
| 09:37.43 | resiak | PerfDave: \o/ |
| 09:37.56 | resiak | Wait ... they got called off? |
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| 09:38.16 | PerfDave | resiak: Well, more "lost interest once they realised they might have to make an effort" ;) |
| 09:38.23 | bibe | Gumby : are you starting X with 'startx -- -dpi 100'? |
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| 09:38.35 | resiak | PerfDave: Heh |
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| 09:38.55 | PerfDave | Oh thank Christ for this, my wiki content is still OK, the hard drive isn't knackered, it just goes crazy if mounted with DMA enabled |
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| 09:39.03 | bibe | Gumby : try that, and of course, be sure to have 100dpi fonts installed |
| 09:39.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | tzafrir_laptop: All I want to to is a chroot for bind9 |
| 09:39.20 | bobslaede | is it possible to share a usb device like a scanner from my debian server to a windows/linux client? |
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| 09:39.51 | WoodyWoodpecker | But as soon as I copy /usr/sbin/named into my chroot and restart, I have to used the dynamic libs from /lib/tls and /usr/lib |
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| 09:40.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | s/used/use/g |
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| 09:40.27 | PerfDave | WoodyWoodpecker: So copy the libraries too. Or just make a new Debian installation into your chroot with debootstrap or similar, and use dchroot and apt-get to manage packages within it? |
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| 09:40.31 | bibe | WoodyWoodpecker : are you using sarge? here's a detailed howto: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_bind_chroot/ |
| 09:40.48 | ackron | bobslaede: you that you would be able to use the scanner on the windows and linux machine withouth the need to replug the cable |
| 09:40.57 | beans | Does kernel-image-kernel-image-2.6.8-16 work with ip_conntrack? |
| 09:41.04 | bobslaede | ackron: yes |
| 09:41.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dave: I did copy them into the nessusary dirs |
| 09:41.33 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dave: Sound kind of hard for just a chroot :-/ |
| 09:41.35 | ackron | bobslaede: there are thinks called USB switches works like a KVM switch |
| 09:41.37 | Ester | An other problem... I have KDE 3.1, I start a Konsole and when I try to close it (using the "exit" command or clicking on the close button of the window) it crashes and the window doesn't disappear, I only can kill it if I use the "kill -9 pid". Is it a known bug? And can I solve it? thanks |
| 09:41.38 | bobslaede | ackron: i've got all the usb stuff hooked up to the server at the office, i want to be able to use the scanner too |
| 09:41.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | bibe: I will take a look, thx |
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| 09:41.51 | bobslaede | ackron: without spending money ;) |
| 09:42.02 | bibe | beans : did you already install it? try grep CONNTRACK /boot/config-2.6.8-... |
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| 09:42.45 | skypa | greetings, any of you guys know a software to access my videos from my couch (IR) other than freevo and mythtv? |
| 09:42.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | I get: Could not open pid file /var/run/bind/run/named.pid: File exists |
| 09:42.46 | beans | bibe: it's the default image, so it's a loadable module |
| 09:43.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | But I actually want to have the pidfile in /var/lib/bind/var/run/named.pid |
| 09:43.20 | sep | skypa, perhaps videolan, but i use freevo myself |
| 09:43.23 | PerfDave | bibe: Ooh, that HOWTO is pretty shiny |
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| 09:43.30 | ackron | bobslaede: hmmm i don't think that would be possible |
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| 09:43.50 | bibe | beans : then it will work.. ;) |
| 09:43.50 | WoodyWoodpecker | But too, as soon as I modify /etc/init.d/bind for this purpose it will break with the _exact_ statement |
| 09:43.53 | bobslaede | ackron: bummer :/ |
| 09:43.56 | skypa | well, freevo seems not too bad, problem is, I have no idea how to get xine or mplayer to start on my second monitor rather then the first |
| 09:44.01 | bobslaede | ackron: but thanks |
| 09:44.11 | beans | bibe: oh wait - I'm running the 2.6.11.12 image, but there is no module for that. Why is that? |
| 09:44.12 | bibe | PerfDave : that site/author releases very nice howtos |
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| 09:44.49 | bibe | beans : grep CONNTRACK, it can be compiled directly into the kernel, or not supported at all |
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| 09:45.12 | bibe | beans : did you compile that kernel by yourself? |
| 09:45.18 | kzar | If my mouse is a usb one, what should I set the mouse protocol and device options to in my x config? |
| 09:45.19 | _oc | I cannot get alt-gr working in X. This means I cannot type characters such as -at-, dollarsign, etc. Localized characters such as 'ćřĺ' are fine, so it does load the keyboard option 'no'. Any suggestions? |
| 09:45.22 | sep | skypa, ou eman you have freevo running on the second monitor but it starts the movies on the first ? |
| 09:45.31 | skypa | exactly :) |
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| 09:45.37 | _oc | I use xfce4 and Debian 3.1 sarge |
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| 09:46.35 | sep | skypa tried export DISPLAY=0.1 before running freevo ? |
| 09:47.25 | beans | bibe: No, I installed it using an image. |
| 09:47.25 | skypa | err, my setup is a xinerama-like one |
| 09:47.39 | skypa | the nvidia wanna-be xinerama :) |
| 09:47.40 | beans | bibe: but apt-cache shows no image with this kernel. wtf? |
| 09:47.54 | _oc | nobody have a clue?? |
| 09:48.02 | skypa | meaning display 0.1 is non-existent |
| 09:48.11 | Gumby | bibe: it doesnt seem to matter. And yes, I have the 100dpi fonts package installed |
| 09:48.27 | sep | skypa, umm then you must do it with an xinerama arg or something guess ? |
| 09:48.36 | sep | skypa, i have only tv on my box so i dont have the problem |
| 09:48.38 | dannyr | I have a fresh install of postfix that is pretty much out-of-box, installed dovecote with "default_mail_env = maildir:/home/%u/Maildi" to match a record in Postfix/main.cf "home_mailbox = Maildir/" - I can send emails but the go to "/var/mail" folder <username> file... The Maildir seens to work ok when listing sent mails from a mail reader at any location, and I can create new folders, but... |
| 09:48.40 | dannyr | ...cannot see new mails - they are in /var/mail/<username>. There must be another setting - and I am all googled out, please help? |
| 09:48.50 | rage | G'day, I'm setting up audio on my laptop. I have it working for the most part, gnome login sounds work, xmms works using eSound, totem doesnt though, and I cant seem to play multiple sounds at once, for example gnome sounds + xmms. Any suggestions as to whats going on? |
| 09:48.55 | bibe | beans : you should have used an image from testing, and now that image is not available |
| 09:48.59 | skypa | I think I'll play a little with the geometry arguments of mplayer and/or xine, maybe that helps |
| 09:49.15 | bibe | although I never heard of such a kernel-image |
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| 09:50.04 | litage | is there a difference between ``rsync /* /mnt/foo/'' and ``rsync / /mnt/foo/''? |
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| 09:50.20 | TheCount | litage: yes. |
| 09:50.26 | PerfDave | bibe: Yeah, might be worth getting the author to submit some articles to http://www.debian-administration.org too |
| 09:50.33 | litage | TheCount: what's the difference? |
| 09:50.35 | TheCount | litage: /* are ALL objects in /, / is only the object / |
| 09:50.44 | beans | bibe: ok fair enough. thanks |
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| 09:50.53 | litage | TheCount: won't rsync traverse into / though? |
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| 09:51.12 | TheCount | litage: with /* you DON'T include / or any files with a '.' at the beginning |
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| 09:51.39 | litage | TheCount: ah, that's true. is that the only difference? |
| 09:51.46 | TheCount | litage: nope, because that would be /. .. which isn't seen, as it has a '.' at its beginning (i.e. it is 'hidden') |
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| 09:52.03 | genocide | hello |
| 09:52.14 | TheCount | litage: if you've got a view hundred files in /, your shell might have problems with the amount of arguments (besides it being moronic) |
| 09:52.20 | TheCount | litage: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 09:52.30 | asuffield | also, rsync cares about whether or not trailing slashes are present on the arguments - but in the specific case of / it won't make a noticable difference |
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| 09:53.04 | torc | considering some vulnerabilities HT is now oficially broken? :) |
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| 09:53.59 | TheCount | s/view/few/ |
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| 09:54.09 | faber2 | morning |
| 09:54.25 | litage | TheCount: i'm copying the filesystem from HD1 to HD2. however, the contents of certain directories weren't copied to HD2, such as /usr and /home : http://rafb.net/paste/results/GyVFfg68.html |
| 09:54.28 | faber2 | can i disable grub's timeout by setting the timeout to '0' ? |
| 09:54.54 | litage | faber2: only one way to find out =) |
| 09:55.07 | genocide | how can i unassign an ip from an interface ? an "ifconfig eth0:231 down" still causes a arp-traffic-confusion....... |
| 09:55.21 | loxley_ | litage: cp -ax works nice if you want to copy a filesystem |
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| 09:55.50 | TheCount | litage: that's most likely -x making the difference when using / |
| 09:56.00 | litage | loxley_: that will include /proc and /sys which shouldn't be copied |
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| 09:56.13 | jm_ | litage: it won't |
| 09:56.17 | litage | TheCount: what exactly does -x do? the manpage doesn't really explain it |
| 09:56.23 | jm_ | sure it does ;) |
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| 09:57.03 | litage | howdy jm_. thanks again for the help other days. SATAs + 2.6.14 working perfectly. just RAIDing them now |
| 09:57.04 | faber2 | litage: machine is 1000 km away... remote console lets me not pick a kernel |
| 09:57.16 | litage | faber2: ah =P |
| 09:57.41 | litage | faber2: do you not have a local machine to try it on? |
| 09:57.46 | faber2 | i have problems booting the stock debian kernels on a machine with LSI RAID system. any ideas? |
| 09:57.55 | faber2 | litage: i probably do, but i am lazy |
| 09:58.14 | TheCount | litage: ooooh, it does |
| 09:58.19 | litage | faber2: (a) "problems" isn't descriptive. we need more than that to help you. (b) if you're going to be lazy, why should we help? |
| 09:58.40 | TheCount | litage: 'do not cross filesystem borders', i.e. "don't move onto a filesystem on a different mountpoint than you're told to go" |
| 09:59.08 | faber2 | (a) it stops with "FATAL: cannot load megaraid2", later error 432 while opening the console, if i remember correctlky |
| 09:59.28 | faber2 | (b) me being lazy does not imply others to be lazy |
| 09:59.39 | loxley_ | faber2: aint LSI cards hardware raided, as if they should be set up before boot by themselves..? |
| 09:59.57 | litage | faber2: (b) no, but if you weren't lazy, you wouldn't ask your question, and then we could possibly help someone else |
| 10:00.21 | Ester | An other problem... I have KDE 3.1, I start a Konsole and when I try to close it (using the "exit" command or clicking on the close button of the window) it crashes and the window doesn't disappear, I only can kill it if I use the "kill -9 pid". Is it a known bug? And can I solve it? thanks |
| 10:00.42 | PerfDave | Ester: KDE 3.1? Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:02.01 | litage | TheCount: if that's the case, is this statement correct?: when copying to /mnt/sdb/ with /dev/sdb5 mounted at /mnt/sdb/ and /dev/sdb0 mounted at /mnt/sdb/boot/ , using -x will prevent writing to /mnt/sdb/boot/ |
| 10:02.08 | Ester | sarge |
| 10:02.51 | PerfDave | Ester: Sarge has KDE 3.3 |
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| 10:03.55 | tombo | hi, how can I start a xterm with running "tail -f /var/log/syslog" inside? |
| 10:04.02 | jm_ | man xterm |
| 10:04.11 | jm_ | t has this nice -e switch |
| 10:04.26 | TheCount | litage: if you refer to /mnt/sdb as source and not /mnt/sdb/* - yes. |
| 10:04.37 | litage | tombo: check out xterm's -e option |
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| 10:05.26 | tombo | jm_: aah, t_h_a_n_x |
| 10:05.35 | TheCount | litage: /mnt/sdb/* would include /mnt/sdb/boot ... |
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| 10:05.36 | Ester | PerfDave: I have "stable" in source.list. If I have an apt-get update and upgrade it doesnt seem that it wants to install kde3. |
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| 10:05.53 | skypa | does anyone know if there are xine 1.0.3 or at least > 1.0 debian packages somewhere? |
| 10:05.56 | iluciv | Could someone please tell me if the PCI bus is serial or parrallel? |
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| 10:06.35 | TheCount | iluciv: uh - neither or both. depends on your point of view. it's a PCI bus. |
| 10:06.39 | Ester | PerfDave: but appear a lot of kde* packages at "Retenidos" |
| 10:06.48 | PerfDave | Ester: Which version of Debian did you *install*? |
| 10:06.54 | iluciv | thats what I was trying to say |
| 10:06.57 | litage | TheCount: sorry, within that example, i meant: cp or rsync would be using / or /* as the source, and /mnt/sdb/ as the destination |
| 10:07.13 | iluciv | but the actual transport type of the bus must be something yes? |
| 10:07.25 | TheCount | litage: whatever. if you don't explicitly name the filesystem, rsync won't traverse into it when called with -x |
| 10:07.26 | Ester | PerfDave: Sarge, sure. |
| 10:07.33 | TheCount | iluciv: no. |
| 10:07.52 | litage | TheCount: what do you mean by "explicitly name the filesystem"? |
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| 10:07.58 | iluciv | how so? |
| 10:08.10 | tombo | xterm -e tail -f /var/log/syslog blinks shortly and then disappears, how can I make it persistent? |
| 10:08.12 | Ester | well, dont worry, I have to go out |
| 10:08.27 | PerfDave | Ester: You installed Debian 3.1 from CD or floppy, and you have KDE 3.1 and not 3.3? It says "KDE 3.1" on the K menu? |
| 10:08.41 | TheCount | litage: if you tell him 'copy / recursively' it won't copy filesystems mounted below it. if you tell him 'copy / and /boot recursively' it will. |
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| 10:08.53 | TheCount | iluciv: think physics. |
| 10:09.06 | litage | TheCount: so why exactly would you want to use -x? |
| 10:09.07 | Ester | PerfDave: yes, I have isntalled it from a CD, and now I have kde 3.1 (it appears on the menu) |
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| 10:09.26 | PerfDave | Ester: What was written on the CD that you installed Debian with? |
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| 10:09.55 | TheCount | litage: there are cases in which you simply don't want to copy filesystems mounted below, e.g. if these are network filesystems, or if you're trying to copy just one partition completely |
| 10:10.27 | litage | TheCount: ah i see. thanks |
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| 10:11.22 | dobbyX | hello I have a big problem with tar, when i do a tar -cfpz i always got the error cannot execute stat: File or Directory not found? I really dont know what to do because coreutils are installed on my system |
| 10:11.28 | iluciv | TheCount: I'm just debating with a mate about it thanks :) |
| 10:11.49 | TheCount | iluciv: the adresses and data are transferred in parallel, but serially ;) |
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| 10:12.03 | skypa | hm, crap... how do I remove my old xine package to use my own version without apt-get ripping my system apart for dependencies *thinks* |
| 10:12.03 | hairy_potter | what's up, hackers? |
| 10:12.36 | PerfDave | dobbyX: Uhm, what's the *full* command you're trying to execute? "-cfpz" will try to create a file called "pz", you may want "-cpzf" |
| 10:12.42 | litage | dobbyX: the 'f' option must be the last option, and the name of the tar file to create must follow |
| 10:13.17 | PerfDave | skypa: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 10:13.32 | dobbyX | the full command is tar -cfpz /installtemp/backup`date +%m-%d-%Y`.tar.gz /root /etc/passwd /etc/group |
| 10:13.45 | skypa | swwet deal, ty PerfDave :) |
| 10:13.48 | litage | dobbyX: switch the location of the 'f' and 'z' options |
| 10:13.58 | dobbyX | ok check it out |
| 10:14.32 | kzar | If I have an amd64 processor, but don't want to have everything in 64bit because some programs don't support it, which kernel should I install? I have had problems because I installed the kernel for my processor but that seems to have mixed 64bit and 32bit badly causing the nvidia module compile to fail. |
| 10:14.49 | dobbyX | it works :) |
| 10:14.52 | dobbyX | thanks |
| 10:14.55 | PerfDave | kzar: You probably want to ask #debian-amd64 that question |
| 10:15.05 | PerfDave | kzar: You probably also want to /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:15.56 | litage | dobbyX: np |
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| 10:16.11 | kzar | PerfDave: I probably do, thanks |
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| 10:16.33 | dobbyX | is it possible to ignore open sockets with tar ? |
| 10:17.22 | tombo | jm_: xterm -e ls, this does not function, what is it please? |
| 10:18.08 | dragonfly | help |
| 10:18.28 | dragonfly | #debian-arm |
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| 10:19.51 | jm_ | tombo: yes it does |
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| 10:20.39 | SimonRaven | of course it does. it just exits immediately ;) |
| 10:20.56 | jm_ | indeed, you're too slow to detect it |
| 10:21.19 | TheCount | tombo: try "xterm -e sh -c 'ls ; sleep 5'" |
| 10:21.41 | SimonRaven | bah, cheap trick ;p |
| 10:21.45 | SimonRaven | j/k |
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| 10:23.15 | TheCount | SimonRaven: maybe it enlightens him |
| 10:23.33 | SimonRaven | i was just kidding, dude |
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| 10:23.55 | SimonRaven | hopefully it will |
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| 10:27.12 | tombo | TheCount: Thanks a lot |
| 10:27.33 | TheCount | SimonRaven: forgot a smiley, sorry ;) |
| 10:27.52 | SimonRaven | ok :) |
| 10:29.56 | pok | hello all, trying to connect from my windows machine to my linux partition. i have installed samba & smbfs. i have run smbpassword -a username, and added the user which i can browse fine with from my windows box. however, after following the same procedure, i tried to smbpassword -a root, setting the password and connection from my windows box, but for some reason it won't let me in. any ideas? |
| 10:30.27 | TheCount | pok: try smbpassword -e username |
| 10:30.28 | normie | pok, you might have disabled root access to samba in your smb.conf |
| 10:30.41 | TheCount | pok: .. and then logging in with the username. |
| 10:30.46 | pok | normie: good point, will check it out |
| 10:30.56 | pok | TheCount: thanks, will try that next |
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| 10:31.48 | pok | in debian, how do i add a daemon to the default run level? |
| 10:32.39 | PerfDave | pok: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 10:34.30 | pok | PerfDave: well i am trying to setup a / share so that i can connect to it from my windows box. |
| 10:34.44 | pok | normie: you where right, root was set as an invalid user |
| 10:35.11 | PerfDave | pok: Why does this involve adding daemons to runlevels? |
| 10:35.14 | pok | PerfDave: as far as the run level question is concerned, i merely want to start samba on boot, by adding it to the default runlevel |
| 10:35.27 | PerfDave | pok: Samba should start on boot anyway |
| 10:35.43 | PerfDave | pok: BTW, having "root" as a valid Samba user probably isn't a good idea. |
| 10:36.17 | pok | PerfDave: yea, i know but i need to have 'root level' access from my windows box |
| 10:36.43 | PerfDave | pok: What are you actually trying to accomplish? |
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| 10:37.17 | pok | PerfDave: just told you, want to access my linux partition from windows with 'root level' access |
| 10:37.23 | BuNnYy | Hello all |
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| 10:37.59 | pok | PerfDave: am used to gentoo where you have to manually add a daemon to the default run level if you want it to start at boot time |
| 10:38.07 | PerfDave | pok: and why do you want to do this? What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:38.33 | pok | PerfDave: what difference does it make? its my requirement |
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| 10:38.53 | PerfDave | pok: I'm trying to help you. There's almost certainly a better way to achieve what you're trying to achieve. |
| 10:39.20 | pok | PerfDave: well you know another way that i can access my files from windows explorer then i am all ears |
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| 10:40.08 | PerfDave | pok: *sigh* If you won't tell me what you're trying to acheive, then I can't help you. Please just don't blame Debian or Samba or Linux if it goes wrong :) |
| 10:40.39 | pok | PerfDave: what more do you want? accessing my files, thats what i want. i want to read and write to my linux partition. |
| 10:40.46 | pok | PerfDave: i don't know how else to put it |
| 10:40.46 | litage | atm, partitions on /dev/sdb are set to type 82 (linux), except for the swap partition, which is 83. if i boot with onto a different drive and change all of the types to FD (Linux RAID autodetect), will the data on the partitions be affected? |
| 10:40.57 | jm_ | litage: no |
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| 10:41.02 | PerfDave | pok: And why do you think you need root permissions to do this? What files are you trying to access? |
| 10:41.04 | litage | jm_: great, thanks |
| 10:41.04 | loxley_ | pok: and you dont need to be root to do that... |
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| 10:41.23 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite PerfDave |
| 10:41.24 | dpkg | PerfDave: You're nothing but a b*lls w*nking h*mo! |
| 10:41.46 | Guerin | sometimes dopkg manages to choose three things which almost sound like they go together |
| 10:41.51 | pok | lol, i know that. but sometimes i need access from my windows box to root spesific folders |
| 10:42.08 | PerfDave | pok: Such as? Why not just change the permissions on the folders? |
| 10:42.17 | pok | because its /root? |
| 10:42.35 | Guerin | pok: all users have read access to / |
| 10:42.48 | pok | Guerin: no not / , /root |
| 10:43.06 | Guerin | pok: why keep things in /root? |
| 10:43.13 | PerfDave | pok: Uhm, what files are you keeping in /root that you need to access from your Windows box? |
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| 10:46.13 | rue_mohr | debhelper, search m32.h |
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| 10:47.40 | djp | if i was to mount a second hard drive for backup purposes, what would be a conventional mount point for it under debian? basically, what type of convention would normally be used in a debian system? |
| 10:47.41 | pok | don't worry, fixed it |
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| 10:47.58 | Guerin | djp: /backup, maybe |
| 10:48.05 | Guerin | djp: or /var/backups/ |
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| 10:48.17 | Guerin | djp: i just put mine on /data0-4 |
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| 10:48.48 | PerfDave | /srv/backup/ |
| 10:48.51 | djp | Guerin, ok, great. so not as media/hdb1 as i have done and now have a disc drive image on my desktop! ;) |
| 10:49.14 | Guerin | and the LSB |
| 10:49.25 | Guerin | and the TLA |
| 10:50.05 | liable | /media/hdb1 stinks of ubuntu |
| 10:50.11 | djp | PerfDave, what is the srv direcotry normally used for? |
| 10:50.12 | PerfDave | Guerin: What, like http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM ? |
| 10:50.21 | Guerin | PerfDave: just like that |
| 10:50.31 | PerfDave | Guerin is Tommy Cooper AICM5UKP |
| 10:50.32 | djp | liable, that could be where i got that idea from! ;) |
| 10:50.35 | Guerin | PerfDave: but I would have made the anchor more annoying |
| 10:51.14 | PerfDave | /media is explicitly for removable drives |
| 10:51.36 | PerfDave | FWIW, I have my second drive on /mnt/data :) |
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| 10:52.15 | djp | PerfDave, ah thanks for that. |
| 10:52.33 | torc | if I make changes to partition table do I need to reboot in order for kernel to detect the new partition, or is it possible to refresh it somehow? |
| 10:52.51 | jm_ | torc: man sfdisk |
| 10:53.05 | torc | jm_: thx. |
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| 10:56.36 | torc | jm_: actually i used cfdisk, and the man says if I answer 'yes' when writing, it will write and notify the kernel. but that's exactly what i did. |
| 10:57.19 | jm_ | torc: sfdisk man page has some details |
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| 11:07.53 | plbgnr | hello, is it needed to use: cat file |grep aaa|grep bbb or can I in some way join conditions? ...something like cat file|grep (aaa or bbb) ??? |
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| 11:08.16 | faber2 | egrep (aaa|bbb) |
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| 11:08.36 | adair | who |
| 11:08.53 | plbgnr | faber2: thanks |
| 11:08.56 | jm_ | plbng;or use something more powerful, like glark |
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| 11:09.56 | artyc | hi |
| 11:10.08 | plbgnr | jm_: ok thanks I'll look at that |
| 11:10.43 | fatal_ | plbgnr: grep also takes a file as an argument... useless use of cat. |
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| 11:12.02 | plbgnr | fatal_: yes you are right :) |
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| 11:13.41 | plbgnr | hmm I got error by:'egrep (aaa|bbb) file' |
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| 11:14.08 | plbgnr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.37 | dimir | try: egrep 'aaa|bbb' file |
| 11:16.15 | overnout | that should work |
| 11:16.25 | SuperSox | :( whenever I try to install the alsa-kernel modules for my kernel depmod moans about unresolved symbols and the whole thing fails |
| 11:16.25 | plbgnr | dimir: ok thx now it works good |
| 11:17.01 | dimir | plbgnr: np |
| 11:17.35 | fatal_ | SuperSox: try a 2.6 kernel, it comes with alsa. |
| 11:18.05 | SuperSox | fatal_: having problems with 2.6 kernels atm... they cause a kernel panic on boot |
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| 11:19.42 | pok | if i have download a .deb file, how can i install it from the command line? |
| 11:19.54 | sep | dpkg -i filename |
| 11:19.56 | SuperSox | dpkg -i file.db |
| 11:20.00 | SuperSox | .deb even |
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| 11:20.14 | pok | ta |
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| 11:21.20 | Reboot_me | Hi, I have a little q. I'm about to rent a virtual server running 3.1, my purpose is to run a webhotel for a bunch of domains, is it wise to base this service on debian? |
| 11:21.23 | Reboot_me | thx |
| 11:21.45 | sep | Reboot_me, wise ? ofcouse it's wise. but no system is better then who maintains it |
| 11:22.22 | blondie | old |
| 11:22.48 | SuperSox | reminds me, I really need to get debian installed on my sun ultra |
| 11:22.54 | sewi | hello, I have a problem with fonts. Why when I put a string "123456789" of lm fonts under inkscape, Number 2 is smaller than others and numbers "5" and "9" are situated below the others? |
| 11:23.14 | blondie | sewi: they're meant to be maybe? |
| 11:23.31 | sewi | do you know any link to explain that? |
| 11:23.33 | Reboot_me | yes I kno |
| 11:23.38 | Reboot_me | *know |
| 11:23.46 | blondie | I'd say it's how the font is |
| 11:23.58 | blondie | 9 can be like g |
| 11:24.03 | blondie | where the tail goes below |
| 11:24.05 | sewi | but what it is supposed like that? |
| 11:24.12 | blondie | sorry? |
| 11:25.04 | sewi | but what it is supposed to be like that? |
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| 11:25.16 | blondie | what do you think |
| 11:25.36 | blondie | take a screenshot |
| 11:25.40 | sewi | I mean 2 smaller than other numbers |
| 11:25.49 | Reboot_me | The reason I ask is that I don't have time to update every single day. |
| 11:26.21 | blondie | sewi: take a screenshot |
| 11:26.39 | sewi | blondie: ok, one minute |
| 11:27.03 | Reboot_me | Anyone here runs a larger webhotel on debian? |
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| 11:27.52 | blondie | what on earth is a webhotel? |
| 11:28.11 | Reboot_me | I had one running for a year, with no problems. Now I want to become serious, and provide a good and secure service. |
| 11:28.29 | Reboot_me | A webhotel... hmm well, its a hotel for web |
| 11:28.36 | blondie | erm? |
| 11:28.50 | Reboot_me | apache, mysql, etc |
| 11:28.55 | blondie | in english please? |
| 11:29.16 | fireba11 | lol |
| 11:29.37 | sewi | blondie: where to put the screen? |
| 11:29.43 | PerfDave | I think that Reboot_me wants to provide website hosting. |
| 11:29.44 | blondie | erm |
| 11:29.48 | blondie | oh right |
| 11:30.01 | Reboot_me | Maybe I'm just plain tired, but yes, its website hosting... |
| 11:30.04 | antgel | PerfDave: didn't know you spoke engrish |
| 11:30.45 | Reboot_me | We have a word for that.... A Fly Fuc**** |
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| 11:31.01 | blondie | Reboot_me: that's three words |
| 11:31.20 | Reboot_me | ahhh, are you always like that? |
| 11:31.37 | blondie | like what? |
| 11:31.42 | Reboot_me | yeah |
| 11:31.49 | Reboot_me | :) |
| 11:32.10 | sewi | http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen14aj.png |
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| 11:33.58 | blondie | sewi: is it just that font that does it? |
| 11:34.06 | blondie | if so, it's probably meant to be that way |
| 11:34.16 | sewi | blondie: this is lmroman font |
| 11:34.19 | fireba11 | looks like the font is just that way |
| 11:34.41 | sewi | do you know why? |
| 11:35.00 | blondie | what do you mean why? |
| 11:35.03 | blondie | it's MEANT to be that way |
| 11:35.06 | blondie | it's how the font was made |
| 11:35.32 | Reboot_me | Thx for the help.... |
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| 11:35.40 | blondie | by then |
| 11:35.41 | blondie | *bye |
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| 11:36.04 | fireba11 | if you see old german book they often got fonts like that with some numbers a bit off .. maybe someone thought it was easier to read like that when designing the fons |
| 11:36.06 | fireba11 | fint |
| 11:36.10 | fireba11 | font damng |
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| 11:36.52 | sewi | fireba11: so do you know similar fonts but without these offsets? |
| 11:37.14 | fireba11 | sewi: there should be plenty |
| 11:37.37 | RainbowW | anybody here speak mhonarc/mharc? i'm getting a perl problem running mh-month-pack ... |
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| 11:40.52 | Rawplayer | re |
| 11:42.12 | litage | i booted up from Disk1 of my RAID-1 array and noticed that /proc/mdstat says only 1 of 2 drives for md1 is up. i checked dmesg and noticed that the "raid set md1 active" and "EXT3 FS on md1" messages are missing. how can i figure out what's wrong? |
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| 11:43.19 | antgel | litage: you can read the raid / mdadm docs. you can fix your boot loader and/or /etc/fstab. you can add the missing drive to the array. |
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| 11:44.22 | litage | antgel: how do you know there's a problem with the bootloader (GRUB)? |
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| 11:44.43 | antgel | litage: i don't |
| 11:45.13 | MARCHEV | hi my friends |
| 11:45.18 | litage | antgel: when i tried to boot from the 2nd drive, the kernel panicked. |
| 11:45.44 | antgel | litage: then fix your bootloader |
| 11:46.19 | MARCHEV | litage: can you tell me how to install skype |
| 11:46.43 | litage | MARCHEV: any particular reason you asked me out of all of the people in this channel? |
| 11:46.57 | MARCHEV | no one |
| 11:46.59 | litage | antgel: i installed grub onto (hd1,0) in the exact same way as it was installed onto (hd0,0) |
| 11:47.18 | bibe | MARCHEV : skype's official site has a link to a .deb package |
| 11:47.19 | MARCHEV | i just asked somebody |
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| 11:47.38 | litage | MARCHEV: see bibe's message |
| 11:47.38 | MARCHEV | is it |
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| 11:50.10 | RainbowW | why am i getting a 403 trying to run index.cgi? does index.cgi need to run as the apache user? |
| 11:50.29 | bibe | RainbowW : sure |
| 11:50.34 | PerfDave | RainbowW: Check /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 11:51.00 | luite | RainbowW: depends, if you're using suexec it can be executed as any user |
| 11:51.28 | bibe | RainbowW : where "apache user" is the user currently running apache (www-data in the default configuration). And yes, if you use suexec it can be executed as any user |
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| 11:52.06 | nekostar | ok |
| 11:52.10 | nekostar | major success!!! |
| 11:52.10 | RainbowW | that points me in the right direction. i think. ty. |
| 11:52.30 | nekostar | debian + openbox + menu + panel == GOODNESS :D:D:D:D::D:D |
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| 11:55.26 | litage | antgel: actually...in GRUB's menu.lst, you have to specify the value of groot. i have groot set to (hd0,0). wouldn't errors occur if using that groot but booting from hd1? |
| 11:55.33 | RainbowW | does apache2-mmpm not have suexec built on? |
| 11:56.02 | RainbowW | mmpm-prefork rather |
| 11:57.44 | jm_ | litage: not really, it just means it would read files from (hd0,0) |
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| 11:57.55 | jm_ | litage: you'll get errors if files don't exist (obviously) |
| 11:58.41 | jm_ | litage: there are howtos/documents about using GRUB with RAID1, try reading that |
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| 11:59.09 | litage | k |
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| 12:02.06 | pok | how can i tell synaptic to look for testing packages? |
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| 12:03.34 | dimir | Yell at it!!!! |
| 12:04.06 | dimir | pok: I think the /etc/apt/sources.list is the file it uses anyway. |
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| 12:04.27 | dimir | Not 100 % sure though. |
| 12:04.36 | dimir | Never used synaptic. |
| 12:05.43 | fireba11 | dimir: all apt tools are supposed to sue taht sources list |
| 12:05.43 | fireba11 | use that even |
| 12:05.43 | dimir | sue me! |
| 12:05.44 | Coweater | you can add them through settings > repositories in synaptic |
| 12:05.44 | dimir | :-P |
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| 12:05.58 | pok | thanks guys |
| 12:06.01 | dimir | np |
| 12:06.46 | jm_ | hmm I need to find some better RSS reader - liferea serves me well, but it has an option to show a pop-up window when the stream updates, but it's not doing this for me |
| 12:07.01 | RainbowW | so i installed suexec.load in apache2. error.log says suexec is loaded, and per the suexec doc at httpd.apache.org i added user and group commands to my virtualhost. but then on load, apache complains that user and group aren't permitted in virtualhosts. what gives? |
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| 12:10.04 | RainbowW | i guess not. </me goes to beat her face into a brick wall for a while.> |
| 12:10.53 | VivekVC | I am trying to use phppgadmin to access postgresql for the first time and i am not able to log in, it says the root user and certain other user names are not permitted, i had installed php4-pgsql earlier. |
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| 12:11.16 | litage | VivekVC: check postgresql's logs |
| 12:12.03 | liable | hah, i thought gentoo was hard to install, meh, its just waiting for shit to compile... |
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| 12:12.17 | PerfDave | liable: And then it doesn't work ;) |
| 12:12.23 | liable | hah |
| 12:12.28 | PerfDave | jm_: I'm very happy with akregator |
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| 12:13.11 | drago_ | ciao a tutti |
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| 12:13.43 | liable | !it |
| 12:13.43 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 12:14.46 | litage | jm_: if i compile md support into the kernel, would i be able to set menu.lst's kopt to /dev/md1 ? |
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| 12:15.37 | jm_ | PerfDave: ohh KDE, thanks, will keep it in mind |
| 12:15.56 | jm_ | litage: you mean root= in kopt? |
| 12:16.30 | jm_ | litage: something has to setup RAID first, I think you need initrd for it, but I never dealt with RAID so I don't know the details |
| 12:16.51 | litage | k |
| 12:17.33 | VivekVC | litage: the /var/log/postgresql is pasted in the URL http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/W0eVrS88.html |
| 12:17.51 | eleftherios | hm, apt-cache searching doesn't give me any results for rar tools (other than ark). I have been sent a rar file, does anyone know what tool I can use to extract its contents? |
| 12:18.15 | Coweater | unrar in non-free |
| 12:18.18 | jm_ | Debian has unrar and rar |
| 12:18.26 | lunitik | jm_: mdadmd is what you're thinking of afaik |
| 12:18.29 | eleftherios | yes I am not using non-free |
| 12:18.37 | PerfDave | eleftherios: /msg dpkg rar |
| 12:18.42 | VivekVC | litage: postgres.log* |
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| 12:18.54 | PerfDave | eleftherios: Just don't use rar, and tell people not to send you rar :) |
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| 12:19.18 | Om | Why are the dbus packages in the debian repositories so far behind the upstream versions? |
| 12:19.31 | Coweater | which repository? |
| 12:19.55 | Om | I use testing, but they seem to be the same in unstable |
| 12:20.15 | eleftherios | PerfDave, I do. I asked this particular chap to re-send me the file using different compression and he emailed me an Openoffice.org file. But OOo is broken here (Debian Etch) so what can I say to him now? I better get this rar unrared... |
| 12:20.18 | PerfDave | Om: File a wishlist bug asking the maintainer to update the packages? |
| 12:20.30 | PerfDave | eleftherios: What's in the RAR file? |
| 12:20.45 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.51 | Coweater | probably dependencies, there are api differences on the next upgrade |
| 12:20.52 | jm_ | lunitik: indeed |
| 12:20.53 | eleftherios | PerfDave, I don't know exactly, a document and some images for a website |
| 12:21.08 | liable | Om: and they dont do what you want? |
| 12:21.08 | PerfDave | eleftherios: So if you do unrar it, you won't be able to open it anyway, if OOo is broken |
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| 12:21.33 | Om | liable, Xchat wants a newer version to build it's dbus plugin |
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| 12:21.42 | eleftherios | PerfDave, maybe. I am not sure what the rar contains. |
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| 12:21.49 | liable | Om: so, you are compiling xchat? |
| 12:21.53 | Om | Yes, I am. |
| 12:22.09 | PerfDave | eleftherios: Well, since when you asked for the contents of the rar, you got an OOo document, I'm guessing that the rar contains an OOo document ;) |
| 12:22.13 | usr13 | I have a DNS question... If I have a web server on my LAN, and I want it to show up as myserver.com rather than just 192.168.1.5, how can that be done? |
| 12:22.27 | RainbowW | so i installed suexec.load in apache2. error.log says suexec is loaded, and per the suexec doc at httpd.apache.org i added user and group commands to my virtualhost. but then on load, apache complains that user and group aren't permitted in virtualhosts. what gives? |
| 12:22.29 | PerfDave | usr13: What do you mean by "show up as"? |
| 12:22.32 | liable | Om: and the reason for that is? what do you really need in xchat that debian doesnt provide? |
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| 12:22.43 | usr13 | in the address bar. |
| 12:22.49 | darkness | Whats the package name for Opera? |
| 12:22.51 | usr13 | in other words, how is masking done? |
| 12:22.53 | eleftherios | PerfDave, I better get OOo fixed then |
| 12:23.01 | lunitik | darkness: its not in the archive |
| 12:23.03 | PerfDave | darkness: Opera isn't in Debian, because it's not Freee. |
| 12:23.07 | Om | liable, the new major version with a treeview. I want the dbus plugin which is also new in 2.6, and more. |
| 12:23.07 | liable | darkness: its not in the repos |
| 12:23.08 | darkness | Oh. |
| 12:23.13 | usr13 | In the address bar of one's browser? |
| 12:23.15 | PerfDave | usr13: Uhm, you're misunderstanding how this all works. |
| 12:23.19 | darkness | I need x-flash |
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| 12:23.45 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.50 | lunitik | darkness: you mean flash support in browser.... or? |
| 12:23.59 | PerfDave | usr13: If you want your web browser to take you to 192.168.1.5 when you type in myserver.com, you need to fix the DNS configuration on the *client* |
| 12:24.10 | PerfDave | usr13: Put an entry in /etc/hosts on the client |
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| 12:24.31 | usr13 | no, I want all clients to be directed to it. |
| 12:24.41 | PerfDave | usr13: All clients on your LAN? |
| 12:24.45 | liable | Om: well, then if you *really* need it, you might have to compile all its dependancies. |
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| 12:24.47 | usr13 | yes |
| 12:24.47 | darkness | Well i need the plugin x-shockwave flash? |
| 12:25.00 | loxley_ | usr13: install a dns server then.. |
| 12:25.08 | PerfDave | usr13: Do you have a LAN-specific DNS server? Put the entry in there. |
| 12:25.09 | usr13 | ok..... |
| 12:25.09 | lunitik | darkness: enable non-free, and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:25.29 | Om | liable, the only missing dependency is dbus, which is why I asked in the first place :) But if the answer is that I have to compile dbus myself, so be it. |
| 12:25.33 | PerfDave | usr13: The easiest way is to install dnsmasq and use /etc/hosts if you don't already have a DNS server. |
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| 12:25.57 | usr13 | I'd like to set up a DNS server. |
| 12:26.05 | usr13 | and make it public as well. |
| 12:26.11 | sep | usr13, it wont 'show up as' myserver.com no matter what you do. but if you configure dns as told in the channel. you can connect to myserver.com (in the addressbar of browser) and have it show myserver.com |
| 12:26.26 | PerfDave | usr13: There's no point making your DNS server public, nothing will respect it. |
| 12:26.37 | usr13 | ok |
| 12:26.38 | darkness | lumitik: Is that the only way i can get flash? |
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| 12:26.51 | PerfDave | usr13: If you want to register a domain, go to a domain registration company. |
| 12:26.59 | lunitik | darkness: umm... its the easiest... |
| 12:27.08 | liable | Om: yes and the packages that depend/conflict with dbus$(ver) are.. |
| 12:27.25 | darkness | Lumitik: Okay how do i enable "non-free" ? |
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| 12:27.59 | usr13 | i know how to register a domain name.... that's actually done, but it's held by a hosting company that still has a few months left on contract |
| 12:28.07 | lunitik | darkness: throw it onto the end of each line that states 'deb' at the beginning in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:28.18 | Om | liable, sorry, I thought you mean xchat's dependencies :) |
| 12:28.22 | lunitik | darkness: which must be edited by root |
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| 12:28.49 | PerfDave | usr13: If you want *everybody*'s DNS to return an IP of your choosing for myserver.com you need to go through a domain registration / DNS hosting company. If you just want to do it with machines you control, then it's easier. |
| 12:29.19 | liable | Om: initially i did, but of course dependancies are a pain in the ass, and go deeper than the original package :) |
| 12:29.25 | usr13 | for now, just the machines I control |
| 12:29.52 | PerfDave | usr13: Then stick entries in /etc/hosts on all machines, or use a central DNS server for your LAN and tell all the machines to use it. |
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| 12:30.47 | usr13 | and what entry do I need to use in the DNS server's config file? |
| 12:31.05 | eleftherios | is anyone using OOo on Debian Etch in here? No matter what document I open I get a blank page |
| 12:31.27 | PerfDave | usr13: That depends on which DNS server you're using ;) |
| 12:31.35 | PerfDave | eleftherios: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 12:31.43 | liable | eleftherios: check the bts, and file one if nothing there. |
| 12:31.45 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.06 | usr13 | named ? or _________? |
| 12:32.10 | PerfDave | usr13: I've already suggested that you use dnsmasq as a local DNS server. |
| 12:32.21 | usr13 | ok |
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| 12:32.51 | RainbowW | so i installed suexec.load in apache2. error.log says suexec is loaded, and per the suexec doc at httpd.apache.org i added user and group commands to my virtualhost. but then on load, apache complains that user and group aren't permitted in virtualhosts. what gives? |
| 12:33.01 | usr13 | is dnsmasq better or easier to use? |
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| 12:33.12 | PerfDave | usr13: It's a lot simpler to set up than BIND. |
| 12:33.22 | PerfDave | RainbowW: Have you tried asking #apache ? |
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| 12:33.54 | RainbowW | every time i've asked about a problem in there they scream oh debian, go ask in #debian. |
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| 12:34.55 | PerfDave | RainbowW: /msg dpkg further help |
| 12:35.39 | usr13 | ok, thanks |
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| 12:35.54 | usr13 | I'll tinker with dnsmasq |
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| 12:37.14 | Maulkin | hmm... Anyone know a nice tool to produce a dependancies tree from a sources/packages file? |
| 12:37.35 | darkness | lunitik: I've edited the sourcelist to non-free yet apt-get flashplugin-nonfree is not found? |
| 12:37.47 | si|vercat | hey, I don't know where else to ask, so, I'd like some kind of a system that when the user tries to connect to a network he needs to somehow authorize first. but how? :P |
| 12:37.58 | PerfDave | Maulkin: apt-cache dotty? |
| 12:38.10 | PerfDave | si|vercat: nocatauth? |
| 12:38.10 | vulture | si|vercat: what sort of things do you want to limit the user from doing? |
| 12:38.11 | lunitik | darkness: 'apt-get update && apt-get isntall flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 12:38.14 | TheCount | si|vercat: define 'connects to the network' |
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| 12:38.39 | darkness | I'll try again lunitik. Updated too. |
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| 12:39.06 | lunitik | darkness: copy and paste what I just said :/ |
| 12:39.06 | flamethrower | Hello everyone |
| 12:39.07 | si|vercat | vulture, well, basically everything. except connect to something that authorizes him. |
| 12:39.13 | flamethrower | Does anyone know of a good 5.1 surround sound driver for Debian? |
| 12:39.22 | PerfDave | flamethrower: emu10k1? :) |
| 12:39.25 | VivekVC | lunitik: could you check the logs and get back to me pls. |
| 12:39.34 | PerfDave | Or rather, snd_emu10k1 |
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| 12:39.42 | lunitik | VivekVC: about what exactly? |
| 12:39.45 | si|vercat | TheCount, well, plugs his cable in the computer.. |
| 12:39.49 | flamethrower | Thx Perfdave. |
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| 12:40.11 | PerfDave | si|vercat: You can do MAC filtering on your switch, if it supports that. |
| 12:40.13 | possie | i;m trying to download a piece of software from a ftp server, which is really bussy (I'm gettint "too many users" message) is there away to make wget retry afther X seconds? |
| 12:40.32 | PerfDave | possie: man wget |
| 12:40.57 | si|vercat | PerfDave, that's not a bad suggestion. but how do "automatically" authorize him when he enters a password somewhere? :P |
| 12:40.57 | Maulkin | PerfDave: Cheers, I'll give it a try. IIRC, it had issues with large apckage sets though. |
| 12:40.58 | flamethrower | Perfdave, I'm unable to find that on apt |
| 12:41.14 | VivekVC | lunitik: it was meant for litage, anyways i just wanted him to check the /var/log/postgres.log |
| 12:41.33 | PerfDave | flamethrower: You asked for a driver, not a package. snd_emu10k1 is the ALSA kernel driver for the EMU chip used in Sound Blaster Lives. |
| 12:41.37 | lunitik | VivekVC: oh... |
| 12:41.40 | VivekVC | lunitik: My phppgadmin is not allowing access to users like root,pgadmin setc. |
| 12:41.44 | darkness | metawire:/home/darkness# apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:41.56 | flamethrower | Alright. Do you know of any apt packages for 5.1 surround sound? |
| 12:42.03 | flamethrower | ALSA, I'm guessing? |
| 12:42.03 | VivekVC | pgadmin etc* |
| 12:42.11 | darkness | = Can not find package flashplugin? |
| 12:42.15 | PerfDave | si|vercat: Depending on your switch capabilities, you could block a user from anything other than vpn and require them to authenticate against OpenVPN? |
| 12:42.22 | eleftherios | the list of OOo bugs is longer than the stairway to heaven |
| 12:42.28 | lunitik | darkness: grrr... as root? |
| 12:42.32 | PerfDave | flamethrower: What do you mean by a package for 5.1? 5.1 support is determined by the kernel. |
| 12:42.40 | flamethrower | Ahh. |
| 12:42.47 | overnout | darkness: apt-cache search flashplugin |
| 12:42.51 | flamethrower | :) Is the 2.6 kernel supporting of 5.1? |
| 12:43.03 | TheCount | si|vercat: nocatauth was the best suggestion so far. |
| 12:43.12 | si|vercat | PerfDave, interesting.. :) thanks.. |
| 12:43.16 | PerfDave | flamethrower: 2.4 and 2.6 both support 5.1, if you have supported 5.1-capable software |
| 12:43.19 | PerfDave | si|vercat: Also see: http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/NoCatAuth |
| 12:43.21 | si|vercat | TheCount, nocatauth is for wireless? |
| 12:43.34 | PerfDave | flamethrower: Sorry, supported 5.1-capable hardware, I mean. |
| 12:43.37 | flamethrower | alsaconf is unable to detect my onboard SoundBlaster live |
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| 12:43.53 | flamethrower | I have SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 capable sound onboard. |
| 12:43.59 | PerfDave | flamethrower: Now *that* is a sensible thing to tell us, it would have avoided all this faffing around ;) |
| 12:44.04 | TheCount | si|vercat: works for wired as well, if you deploy it correctly |
| 12:44.09 | flamethrower | Yeah, I realize that now. |
| 12:44.10 | darkness | Overnout, apt-cache flashplugin gives me nothing. |
| 12:44.23 | flamethrower | Try apt-cache search flash |
| 12:44.24 | PerfDave | flamethrower: Are you using a Debian-provided 2.6 kernel-image? |
| 12:44.29 | flamethrower | Yes, Perfdave. |
| 12:44.33 | darkness | lunitik: Of course i used root :-) |
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| 12:44.47 | overnout | darkness: are you with sarge/stable ? |
| 12:44.58 | darkness | overnout: yes |
| 12:44.59 | flamethrower | 2.6.8-2 |
| 12:45.13 | PerfDave | flamethrower: "lsmod | grep snd" should show snd_emu10k1 loaded, does it? |
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| 12:45.25 | overnout | darkness: probably thats the reason ...that sarge dont have that package |
| 12:45.30 | lunitik | darkness: then you did _something_ wrong... paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
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| 12:45.55 | flamethrower | Not loaded, Perfdave. |
| 12:46.03 | flamethrower | Lemme modprobe it |
| 12:46.06 | felixgonschorek | hi all, i run a webserver with debian woody, kernel v. 2.4.18-bf2. i have 2GB RAM, but the system "sees" only 1GB. what can i do? |
| 12:46.10 | PerfDave | flamethrower: That may well be the problem - try "modprobe emu10k1" as root |
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| 12:46.15 | alienbrain | Something is wrong in debian.org mirrors list, http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 12:46.54 | flamethrower | Perfdave, Alsaconf unloads it. |
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| 12:46.59 | PerfDave | flamethrower: Woody kernel-images aren't compiled with support for >1Gb RAM, you'll have to compile your own from a kernel-source package. Some Sarge kernel-images (particularly the -amd64 ones) have highmem support by default. |
| 12:47.03 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 12:47.07 | PerfDave | felixgonschorek: Woody kernel-images aren't compiled with support for >1Gb RAM, you'll have to compile your own from a kernel-source package. Some Sarge kernel-images (particularly the -amd64 ones) have highmem support by default. |
| 12:47.21 | PerfDave | flamethrower: Most unusual. |
| 12:47.42 | flamethrower | 12-216-115-159:/home/sylvisj# modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 12:47.42 | flamethrower | Setting up ALSA...done. |
| 12:47.48 | PerfDave | flamethrower: If you just load the module, can you get sound working without using alsaconf? |
| 12:47.51 | flamethrower | 12-216-115-159:/home/sylvisj# modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 12:47.51 | flamethrower | Setting up ALSA...done. |
| 12:47.54 | flamethrower | Grr |
| 12:47.58 | darkness | lunitik: http://pastebin.com/430225 |
| 12:47.59 | flamethrower | Hmm. I'll try |
| 12:48.04 | flamethrower | Lemme apt-get a mixer |
| 12:48.35 | felixgonschorek | PerfDave: thx, the server has an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+. i assume -amd64 kernel is the right image? are the installed debian packages binary compatible with the -amd64 images? |
| 12:48.41 | rage | Heya, I'm just adding an entry in the fstab for an NTFS partition, what options do you have to define to let it be readable by everyone? |
| 12:48.42 | flamethrower | Odd. Aumix can't open. |
| 12:48.46 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to get the cups-lpd connection working - at least for my linux box it works but trying to print from xp clients fails, the job seems to get received (access_log shows localhost - - [15/Nov/2005:13:23:40 +0100] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 140) but then nothing happens, seems as would cups or cups-lpd just drop the job - anybody experienced this behavior? |
| 12:48.51 | flamethrower | Yes, Felix. |
| 12:49.02 | jm_ | mkl1525: XP clients support IPP |
| 12:49.05 | flamethrower | (as to the kernel image) |
| 12:49.07 | PerfDave | felixgonschorek: Uhm, talk to #debian-amd64 and upgrade from Woody to Sarge. |
| 12:49.25 | felixgonschorek | flamethrower&PerfDave: thx alot |
| 12:49.27 | PerfDave | flamethrower: It could be that your sound chip isn't quite as compatiable as you thought, it might be worth checking the ALSA website. |
| 12:49.55 | mkl1525 | jm_, problem is I'm testing this for a remote server, that hasn't support for IPP :( |
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| 12:50.59 | jm_ | mkl1525: I see |
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| 12:51.22 | lunitik | darkness: that should be fine... maybe they didn't include it in sarge? |
| 12:51.24 | lunitik | weird |
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| 12:51.42 | darkness | lunitik: Bugger. |
| 12:51.44 | flamethrower | 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
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| 12:52.01 | flamethrower | That's interesting, it's a SoundBlaster Live, not audigy |
| 12:52.14 | xtf | Hi. Where in gnome is the option to disable opening each directory in a new window? |
| 12:52.45 | overnout | darkness: there is a sollution ...you could add backports.org source to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:52.48 | overnout | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.48 | piotrek | Hi, I whant to compile my kernel, how can I check which type of AMD I have? K7 or K7 SMP. It;s my first time so be patient ...please ;-) |
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| 12:52.57 | overnout | err |
| 12:53.02 | flamethrower | SMP is multi processor, piotrek |
| 12:53.11 | xtf | Or multi core |
| 12:53.13 | piotrek | ...lol, thanks |
| 12:53.19 | flamethrower | True, xtf. |
| 12:53.19 | piotrek | -_-' |
| 12:53.26 | xtf | Or HTT |
| 12:53.35 | flamethrower | That doesn't apply to AMD cpu's, though. |
| 12:53.39 | piotrek | or whatever... |
| 12:53.53 | flamethrower | Piotrek, you have a k7 cpu? Go with the K7 image. |
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| 12:54.04 | PerfDave | piotrek: Why do you want to compile your own kernel? Debian provides lovely kernel-image packages for you. |
| 12:54.05 | overnout | darkness: add deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable package |
| 12:54.11 | piotrek | so I should choose AMD K7 ? |
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| 12:54.36 | piotrek | PerfDave : couse I use Ubuntu ;-) |
| 12:54.57 | PerfDave | piotrek: #ubuntu |
| 12:55.13 | piotrek | yee... and noone there :/ |
| 12:55.16 | flamethrower | PerfDave: 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS <- I have onboard SB Live 5.1 |
| 12:55.34 | PerfDave | piotrek: Failure of #ubuntu to support Ubuntu doesn't make it #debian's job |
| 12:55.53 | PerfDave | piotrek: Any more than it's #debian's job to support MEPIS, Kurumin or any other half-assed bodge-job Debian-derived shiteware. |
| 12:55.53 | liable | piotrek: bullshit |
| 12:56.16 | liable | piotrek: /j #ubuntu its quite a busy channel |
| 12:56.19 | piotrek | i'm talking about polish #ubuntu |
| 12:56.22 | piotrek | :P |
| 12:56.29 | lunitik | piotrek: if its recent... its k7 |
| 12:56.34 | piotrek | thx for help and bye |
| 12:56.41 | lunitik | rather... k7 will work... |
| 12:56.52 | liable | piotrek: well, if you ask in english #debian, why not english #ubuntu? |
| 12:57.36 | darkness | lunitik: deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable package |
| 12:57.42 | piotrek | ok, ok |
| 12:57.44 | piotrek | bye |
| 12:57.46 | darkness | It doesn't like that? |
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| 12:58.07 | lunitik | darkness: I didn't tell you that... ask overnout about it |
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| 12:58.36 | m4lu7 | hmm. what's the proper syntax for mkinitrd, please? |
| 12:58.40 | darkness | overnout: What do i need to add to the source list please for sarge stable? |
| 12:58.59 | lunitik | darkness: its in the archive :/ |
| 12:59.04 | m4lu7 | i'm running it by hand, but there's not an output file (-o foofoo.img) yeilds nothing. tmp dir is created, and retained (-k) |
| 12:59.08 | darkness | okay. |
| 12:59.11 | lunitik | darkness: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 12:59.24 | lunitik | darkness: maybe I said 'flashplugins-nonfree'? |
| 13:00.04 | lunitik | darkness: ahhh... blah, its in contrib... thats why... |
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| 13:00.11 | lunitik | darkness: add contrib to the same lines |
| 13:00.48 | lunitik | Heh... cuz the script is written in Ruby, and GPL'd I believe... lame... |
| 13:00.52 | lunitik | darkness: sorry |
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| 13:02.09 | bayab00m | hola |
| 13:02.28 | lunitik | !hi bayab00m |
| 13:02.36 | dpkg | Many greetings, bayab00m, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 13:03.27 | bayab00m | since the last dist-upgrade my ipw2100 module fails loading the firmware. the message is : "ipw2100: eth1: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed" does anybody knows the reason? |
| 13:03.43 | bayab00m | hey lunitik & dpkg :) |
| 13:03.54 | lunitik | bayab00m: lol... dpkg is a bot |
| 13:04.01 | bibe | bayab00m : you probably upgraded from stable, which required firmware 2.2 |
| 13:04.23 | flamethrower | How do you copy directories? |
| 13:04.38 | bayab00m | bibe, i have actual ipw2100 firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 13:04.50 | bayab00m | i mean the newest |
| 13:04.55 | bibe | bayab00m : bayab00m : is it version 2.2, 2.3 or 2.4? |
| 13:05.09 | darkness | lunitik: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, That was a winner :-P |
| 13:05.27 | lunitik | flamethrower: cp -R foo bar |
| 13:05.37 | flamethrower | Thx. |
| 13:05.43 | lunitik | darkness: heh... I really should have looked on p.d.o earlier :/ |
| 13:05.44 | bibe | bayab00m : you probably didn't catch the required firmware version for your ipw2100 driver |
| 13:05.49 | bayab00m | bibe, do you mean the firmware? |
| 13:05.57 | bibe | yes |
| 13:05.57 | bayab00m | the firmware version is 0.55 |
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| 13:06.17 | darkness | lunitik: No worries. Mabe i'm getting experianced enough to start working out probs myself i guess. |
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| 13:06.39 | Spods | hello |
| 13:06.41 | bayab00m | bibe, no sorry, i mean the firmware version is 1.3...but this is the newest version |
| 13:06.48 | lunitik | !hi spods |
| 13:06.51 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai spods! |
| 13:07.07 | bibe | bayab00m : ok, but what version is the driver? |
| 13:07.19 | m4lu7 | mkinitrd. bollocks. |
| 13:07.24 | Spods | lunitik: pleasant is anything but what tonight is I'm afraid, it's too damn hot!! |
| 13:07.28 | bayab00m | bibe, it is the driver which is included in the 2.6.14.2 kernel |
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| 13:07.50 | lunitik | Spods: I live in Arizona... don't tell me about hot ;) |
| 13:08.01 | lunitik | Spods: I didn't say that though... bot script.. |
| 13:08.44 | bibe | bayab00m : it's possible that it isn't the latest version, so it requires a previous firmware version. And I use to install the firmware into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/, but that shouldn't matter |
| 13:08.47 | Spods | lunitik: true. Well I'm sitting here in Australia, and it seems we skipped spring and went straight in to summer |
| 13:09.13 | lunitik | Spods: simular weather here actually :) |
| 13:09.47 | lunitik | Spods: although we're apparently in Winter atm |
| 13:09.55 | sha1sum | for a pentium 4 2.4GHz should I use a CPUTYPE=p4 or a CPUTYPE=i686 in make.conf ? |
| 13:10.11 | bayab00m | bibe, i guess it is the right version because the error message says : "... ipw2100-1.3.fw not found" and this is exactly the file i have |
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| 13:10.40 | bibe | bayab00m : try to put it into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/, then |
| 13:10.53 | Spods | sha1sum: i686 is what i use for my pentium II's, so I'm guessing that's not it |
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| 13:11.28 | sha1sum | okay don't need a guess but thanks :) |
| 13:11.32 | bibe | sha1sum : use p4 |
| 13:11.33 | lunitik | Spods: it is actually... p2 and later brought very little in terms of chip functions |
| 13:12.03 | tombo | hi, I have got tiny script in gtk-dialogs like iceme, how can I get rid of it? |
| 13:12.24 | Spods | lunitik: surely there's some optimisation code added to p3's and p4's though? |
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| 13:13.42 | Spods | anyone know how make bind on a multihomed host answer a particular zone based on the ip address it receives it on? |
| 13:13.55 | petemc | Spods: views |
| 13:14.18 | Spods | petemc: views? i'll check it out in the bind configs, thanks. |
| 13:14.23 | petemc | np |
| 13:16.43 | m4lu7 | Ahh. "-o cannot handle relative path declarations" ... nice 176 day old bug. |
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| 13:19.38 | PhantomWolf | whaz up |
| 13:20.39 | PerfDave | m4lu7: Feel free to submit a patch ;) |
| 13:20.50 | PhantomWolf | a patch ? |
| 13:21.40 | m4lu7 | PerfDave, working on it now, actually. |
| 13:22.16 | PhantomWolf | wtf r u talkin about ? |
| 13:22.34 | liable | !ru |
| 13:22.34 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 13:23.07 | PerfDave | PhantomWolf: Uhm, we're continuing a conversation which started before you joined the channel. |
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| 13:26.05 | PhantomWolf | yes, and i am trying to pick up on that conversation after I joined |
| 13:26.18 | torc | is it possible to copy one file into another without truncating the destination file size? |
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| 13:27.01 | PhantomWolf | yes it is |
| 13:27.20 | Black | hey |
| 13:27.40 | PhantomWolf | hey |
| 13:27.55 | torc | PhantomWolf: how? |
| 13:28.43 | PhantomWolf | It'z a lil utility i wrote that sorts it out |
| 13:28.59 | liable | ... |
| 13:29.06 | Black | ×ňî âű ňóň äĺëŕĺňĺ |
| 13:29.19 | yangsx | hi, my computer has two ether cards, one is for ADSL and one for local area. For some reason, I cannot use ADSL without tourn the other interface down |
| 13:29.20 | PhantomWolf | eish |
| 13:29.21 | liable | Black: english here please. |
| 13:29.23 | Wyzard | torc: Take a look at dd's "conv=notrunc" option |
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| 13:29.41 | jm_ | torc: cat file1 >> file2 |
| 13:29.46 | liable | yangsx: man route |
| 13:29.50 | torc | thx :) |
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| 13:30.02 | xtf | Hi. Where in gnome is the option to disable opening each directory in a new window? |
| 13:30.08 | yangsx | is there any option in ADSL for not using the default gateway in the other ethernet interface? |
| 13:30.32 | yangsx | liable: yeah |
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| 13:30.42 | Black | I the first time on a chat |
| 13:30.42 | Wyzard | xtf: Desktop -> Preferences -> File Management |
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| 13:30.52 | Wyzard | xtf: Behavior tab |
| 13:31.01 | Wyzard | xtf: "always open in browser windows" |
| 13:31.45 | RainbowW | where is apache's suexec docroot under debian? this is a compile-time setting |
| 13:32.20 | yangsx | liable: I'm wondering wether there is a solution in ADSL configuration |
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| 13:33.31 | liable | yangsx: doesnt have anything to do with adsl, its to do with route. man route. theres some good examples in it.. |
| 13:33.55 | jm_ | yangsx: remove default gateway from your internal interface |
| 13:34.13 | yangsx | liable: really? thanks, I'll try again. |
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| 13:34.51 | yangsx | jm_ : will removing internal default gateway affect local networking? |
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| 13:35.07 | xtf | Wyzard: Thanks, I noticed that option but didn't understand what it does. Any idea why it's disabled by default? |
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| 13:35.23 | jm_ | yangsx: that depends on your setup, it should be OK as long as you can contact all internal machines directly (i.e. they should be on the same subnet) |
| 13:35.50 | Wyzard | xtf: The GNOME team believes the "spatial mode" is more intuitive for many users, particularly non-technical users |
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| 13:36.11 | yangsx | jm_ : thanks. |
| 13:38.34 | Spods | thanks all, im outta here |
| 13:38.45 | xtf | Wyzard: It's a disaster for every user. |
| 13:39.15 | luite | RainbowW: in /var/www |
| 13:39.32 | Shadur | Hmm, quick ipt_state question: Does an icmp response count as "related" to the ICMP request it's responding to? |
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| 13:41.43 | yangsx | another question concerning udev: it does not create /dev/mixer for me; |
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| 13:42.22 | Wyzard | yangsx: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:42.52 | Wyzard | yangsx: Sorry, snd-mixer-oss |
| 13:43.29 | berzerka | Shadur: i think the state is 'NEW'.. not sure though. the iptables manual reads: NEW meaning that the packet has started a new connection, or otherwise associated with a connection which has not seen packets in both directions, and RELATED meaning that the packet is starting a new connection, but is associated with an existing connection, such as an FTP data transfer, or an ICMP error. |
| 13:43.30 | Wyzard | yangsx: /dev/mixer is the OSS mixer device and isn't used by ALSA... udev doesn't create it because you don't have any driver loaded which implements it |
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| 13:43.38 | fatal_ | Shadur: that's a good question... I don't know the answer but I'd say yes, and if that proves to be wrong I'd say it would be a bug.... |
| 13:43.44 | yangsx | Wyzard: it works, thanks |
| 13:44.01 | Shadur | berzerka: Argh. I meant ESTABLISHED. |
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| 13:44.42 | yangsx | Wyzard : I guess I should add some alias for it in /etc/modutils/, right? |
| 13:45.25 | berzerka | Shadur: i think the first response packet has state new, all following will have established. |
| 13:45.32 | Wyzard | yangsx: Or put it in /etc/modules |
| 13:45.53 | Wyzard | yangsx: but you don't need it at all unless you have programs which play sound using OSS and can't be configured to use ALSA instead |
| 13:46.01 | Shadur | Hmm. y'Know, I really should allow icmp through unconditionally in most cases. |
| 13:46.09 | fatal_ | berzerka: looking at the code, the following icmp types seem to count an "new": echo, timestamp, info_request, address. |
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| 13:46.53 | fatal_ | see the icmp_new function in ./net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_proto_icmp.c |
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| 13:47.27 | berzerka | fatal_: guess so, if it is the first response packet of that kind. else it counts as related. *will have a look, too* |
| 13:48.14 | yangsx | Wyzard: yes. Some programs look for /dev/mixer* directly for playing sound, as in OCaml binding for SDL |
| 13:48.15 | rossi | hi I tried with make-kpkg to build a kernel image and I had to stop the process now when I do it again it is very fast build and when I install the kernel image and boot it the screen is black what is wrong? |
| 13:48.24 | fatal_ | I can't find anything that looks like it has anything to do with established or related... guess my C skills aren't good enough. |
| 13:48.35 | PerfDave | !wayc rossi |
| 13:48.36 | dpkg | rossi: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:49.42 | berzerka | fatal_: which line did you refer to? |
| 13:49.49 | rossi | I need it for my rtl8180 wlan driver |
| 13:49.59 | rossi | that I have internet for my notbook |
| 13:50.13 | rossi | otherwise I have no possibility to come here |
| 13:50.14 | berzerka | fatal_: (i have 2.6.12.2, i hope the line numbers match..) |
| 13:50.21 | RainbowW | has anybody gotten ezmlm-www to work? i'm getting a perl error i can't find a google match on |
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| 13:51.15 | rossi | and I have problems with setting up rtl8180 driver with my current kernel 2.6.12 cause it is compiled with gcc 4.0 and I have installed gcc 3.3.5 I think |
| 13:51.21 | bibe | rossi : you compiled without framebuffer support? and you are passing some vga= options to the kernel? |
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| 13:52.12 | rossi | bibe I had to stop the process yesterday and it was nearly ready took about an hour |
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| 13:52.31 | rossi | and not when I start it again it is in 1 or 2 mins ready |
| 13:52.43 | bibe | rossi : try to add vga=normal to the kernel line of grub |
| 13:52.53 | fatal_ | berzerka: 112.... static int icmp_new(... |
| 13:52.57 | rossi | bibe |
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| 13:53.41 | sha1sum | is there an active GCC support channel on freenode? #gcc has like 15 people or something |
| 13:53.46 | rossi | can it be that when you stop the building process and start it again later that it has not to repeat the whole process?? |
| 13:53.52 | rossi | so that it is faster? |
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| 13:54.09 | berzerka | fatal_: which kernel version? |
| 13:54.47 | fatal_ | 2.6.12.2 + l7filter and a couple of other patches... |
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| 13:55.37 | fatal_ | berzerka: One second and I'll give you a lxr.linux.no url. :) |
| 13:55.41 | rossi | ?? |
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| 13:56.15 | fatal_ | berzerka: http://lxr.linux.no/source/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_proto_icmp.c#L111 |
| 13:56.32 | darkstego | hey, I wanted to know if anyeone has used kde apps under chroot |
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| 13:57.03 | darkstego | when I click the open file dialogue I am taken out of the chroot |
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| 13:57.19 | pok | anybody know how i can change the password of a user created (postgresql) using 'createuser -W username'? |
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| 13:58.28 | jaybuffet | how do i disable the mouse in the shell.. everytime i nudge the mouse it gives me a psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing x bytes away |
| 13:58.33 | bibe | rossi : I never started a process like kernel compilation and stop it while it's running |
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| 13:59.45 | jaybuffet | how do i disable the mouse in the shell.. everytime i nudge the mouse it gives me a psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing x bytes away |
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| 14:00.19 | rossi | bibe |
| 14:00.23 | bibe | rossi |
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| 14:00.35 | jm_ | jaybuffet: uninstall gpm? |
| 14:00.37 | rossi | I had to cause I had to leave |
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| 14:00.50 | PerfDave | pok: "ALTER USER" is one way |
| 14:00.54 | rossi | they wanted to close the pc pool |
| 14:00.59 | pok | PerfDave: yea, found it. thanks |
| 14:01.30 | jaybuffet | jm_: i don't see gpm running as a process |
| 14:01.45 | bibe | rossi : I'd suggest you to do a clean compilation... just backup and restore your .config |
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| 14:03.03 | yangsx | anyone know why my settings in /etc/modutils/alias does not work after rebooting? |
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| 14:03.12 | rossi | bibe how I am new to this |
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| 14:03.49 | bibe | rossi, just a moment... are you Italian? |
| 14:03.52 | yangsx | the machine has a ethernet that's not come with Debian packages |
| 14:03.53 | rossi | someone just told me how to use the make-kpkg --append .. kernel_image |
| 14:04.00 | rossi | sorry not german |
| 14:04.41 | bibe | rossi : ok, if you were Italian we could go in #debian-it and use my native language... btw, what kernel module do you need? |
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| 14:04.51 | berzerka | fatal_: i also dont get the structure.. well i think this is at least not the place where for an incoming packet is determined whether it has state new or related or whatever, because the comment says: /* Called when a new connection for this protocol found. */. so the logic which decides about the packet-state is somewhere before that.. |
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| 14:06.08 | jm_ | jaybuffet: then you don't have mouse handling for console at all |
| 14:06.21 | jm_ | yangsx: using 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:06.26 | bibe | rossi : can your rtl8180 use rtl8150 module? |
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| 14:06.43 | rossi | no |
| 14:06.51 | fatal_ | berzerka: the state for icmp packets must be decided by the icmp part of conntrack, don't you think? :) |
| 14:06.57 | rossi | dont think so |
| 14:07.07 | bibe | rossi : so what kernel do you need? |
| 14:07.15 | rossi | I try it with modprobe rtl8150 |
| 14:07.16 | yangsx | jm_ : no, it's 2.4 kernel, for I cannot install the machine with Debian CD but Knoppix 3.4 at that time |
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| 14:07.21 | rossi | right? |
| 14:07.31 | rossi | 2.6.14 |
| 14:07.33 | jaybuffet | jm_: so why does it react everytime i touch the mouse |
| 14:07.36 | yangsx | jm_: the hardware cannot be detected |
| 14:07.50 | vorpal | is there a a way to determine what device an irq is associated with in linux? |
| 14:07.53 | bibe | rossi: ok, try it |
| 14:07.54 | rossi | and I should compile it by myself I think with my gcc 3.3.5 |
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| 14:08.01 | jaybuffet | jm_: ps -A|grep gpm shows nothing |
| 14:08.07 | jm_ | yangsx: did you run update-modules? and I would not edit alias file |
| 14:08.16 | berzerka | fatal_: i dont think so... cant it be determined protocol-independant, just comparing source/dest ips/ports? |
| 14:08.17 | rossi | bibe how to clean the aborted compiling process?? |
| 14:08.36 | yangsx | jm_ : that's vital, as the hardware is a SCSI harddisk. yes, even after update-modules |
| 14:08.39 | bibe | rossi : cp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.14/.config ~ |
| 14:08.46 | vorpal | OK, found it in /proc/interrupts |
| 14:08.49 | vorpal | thx |
| 14:08.52 | jm_ | jaybuffet: right, well the driver still reacts on events, but nothing is reading them - it's not really related, I just thought you see mouse cursor moving and wanted to get rid of it |
| 14:08.55 | yangsx | that's very strange |
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| 14:09.17 | berzerka | fatal_: i have no idea in fact, we should ask a kernel hacker for that, but icmp_new is (in my opinion) definitely not the function where the state is decided. |
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| 14:09.22 | jm_ | yangsx: wrong syntax/option/... comes to mind then |
| 14:09.46 | rossi | bibe can I qwery you? |
| 14:10.03 | jaybuffet | jm_: oh.. no.. it just errors anytime i touch the mouse,... and its very annoying |
| 14:10.13 | bibe | rossi : then , cd /usr/src; rm -r linux-source-2.6.14; tar jxf linux-source-2.6.14; cd linux-source-2.6.14 |
| 14:10.23 | bibe | rossi : I'll have to go in a while... |
| 14:10.35 | rossi | well I cp that to /boot |
| 14:10.35 | fatal_ | berzerka: I don't agree with you there, but anyway google found a more userfriendly explanation for the icmp states in iptables.... see ICMP chapter of http://kalamazoolinux.org/presentations/20010417/conntrack.html |
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| 14:10.41 | yangsx | jm_: possible. I'm always unsure of the order in alias file |
| 14:10.50 | geirergoy | Hello. I did an apt/get dist/upgrade, and now my X- |
| 14:10.50 | geirergoy | server will not start. |
| 14:10.53 | yangsx | but I tried both |
| 14:11.04 | rossi | ?? |
| 14:11.26 | jm_ | jaybuffet: maybe check if 2.6 input FAQ says something about it, otherwise try google |
| 14:11.30 | fatal_ | Shadur: you still with us? :) |
| 14:11.43 | jm_ | jaybuffet: easiest to check about the options is to modprobe module_name my_options |
| 14:11.50 | yangsx | the result is I'm locked in 2.4 kernel for the moment |
| 14:11.51 | jm_ | jaybuffet: sorry that was not for you |
| 14:11.56 | jm_ | jangsx;easiest to check about the options is to modprobe module_name my_options |
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| 14:12.20 | jaybuffet | jm_: helping too many at once huh :-) |
| 14:12.32 | fatal_ | berzerka: as I see it the icmp_new function checks if it's one of the four icmp types thats counted as creating a new connection and returns 1 if so, or 0 otherwise. |
| 14:12.33 | bibe | rossi : did you do what I wrote? |
| 14:13.01 | rossi | bibe I have to write all down and then go to my notbook and do it |
| 14:13.07 | jm_ | jaybuffet: yeah and being annoyed by not finding the reason for core dump :) |
| 14:13.09 | fatal_ | berzerka: actually handling the connection tracking stuff is probably handled at a higher level, but that function is where the decition about new or not for icmp is done as far as I can tell. |
| 14:13.17 | bibe | then, cp ../.config .; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --append-to-version "-2-686" --revision "2.6.14-3" --initrd kernel_image |
| 14:13.24 | bibe | rossi : ^^^ |
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| 14:14.00 | rossi | yes |
| 14:14.02 | yangsx | jm_: yes. now I have to manually insmod the specific module and make the ethernet working |
| 14:14.25 | jaybuffet | jm_: hmm.. if i cant figure out how to stop my mouse from erroring.. i dont think i could help with your core dump |
| 14:14.35 | jm_ | yangsx: ahh man modules |
| 14:14.46 | jm_ | jaybuffet: no big deal, I will find it |
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| 14:15.49 | jm_ | jaybuffet: it seems some kernels had this bug, which version are you at? |
| 14:16.08 | xtf | Is there an option in Gnome to open windows maximized by default? |
| 14:16.14 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:16.27 | elephantman | Is there a way to find a '.config' file for a ASUS P5AD2 ? |
| 14:16.29 | yangsx | jm_: I never tried to put the module in /etc/modules, thanks, I'll try that |
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| 14:16.33 | elephantman | for kernel 2.6.14 |
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| 14:18.10 | FeliceR | can you suggest me a lightweight browser for my 333 Mhz 32Mb RAM? |
| 14:18.13 | FeliceR | not Dillo |
| 14:18.17 | possie | how can i see wich video output driver libsdsl supports? |
| 14:18.18 | FeliceR | i'm running IceWM |
| 14:18.22 | possie | libsdl i mean |
| 14:18.42 | rossi | bibe I copy the .config to somewhere and than after extracting again to /linux-sourc-2.6.14 |
| 14:18.46 | rossi | right? |
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| 14:20.17 | tob | is there a LaTeX2e pakage? where do I get it? I also need pstricks... but i cant get it via apt-get :-( |
| 14:20.25 | rossi | I have written all exactly what you have said |
| 14:20.29 | plbgnr | hello, I want to export graphic output from pc:debian1 I'm (physically) at debian2 and I set 'xhost +' on debian2 and (with ssh access) DISPLAY variable to <IP_of_debian2>:0.0 on debian1. If I then tried to run firefox, I got message :Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display ...what did I forget? |
| 14:21.11 | rossi | so if I do the commands exact as you have written should it work then or do I have to change anything |
| 14:21.13 | rossi | ?? |
| 14:21.16 | jm_ | plbgnr: try something simpler like xclock and tell me what error do you get? also, don't set DISPLAY manually with ssh X11 forwarding -- /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 14:21.30 | yangsx | tob: tetex |
| 14:21.54 | Nirga1 | plbgnr: "export DISPLAY=ipadress:0" |
| 14:21.56 | tob | yangsx, theres all included? |
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| 14:22.08 | jm_ | plbn;your X server on debian2 needs to listen on TCP port for you to be able to connect remotely (no such limitation with ssh) and you should never use xhost +, but setup xauth authentication properly |
| 14:22.15 | jm_ | plbgnr ^^^^^ |
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| 14:22.30 | kzar | I was wondering if anyone here knows of a similar program to foobar2000 but for linux? |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | kzar: thingamajig2005 is great! |
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| 14:23.11 | kzar | abrotman: i was looking for non-fiction alternatives lol |
| 14:23.22 | yangsx | tob: tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra tetex-doc --- they are quite large |
| 14:23.24 | abrotman | kzar: it might help if you tell us WHAT foobar2000 is |
| 14:23.37 | yangsx | and comprehensive |
| 14:23.40 | plbgnr | jm_: ok thanks |
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| 14:24.16 | kzar | abrotman: its a really good mp3 etc player. Very lightweight and easy to use but quite powerfull. It shows up the songs in a list kind of like itunes |
| 14:24.46 | abrotman | kzar: xmms and zinf and a few others .. i think most use xmms though |
| 14:25.06 | kzar | abrotman: well xmms is kind of like winamp isn't it? |
| 14:25.06 | abrotman | kzar: xmms is like winamp |
| 14:25.09 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:25.25 | kzar | yea I tried that before, is zinf any different? |
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| 14:25.29 | abrotman | i'm not sure what "list like itunes" means |
| 14:25.31 | Nirga1 | plbgnr: "export DISPLAY=ipadress:0" on the debian running the apps, and remove "-nolisten tcp" from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc on the Xserver computer. Note this completly disable security, check your firewall or see xauth |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | kzar: zinf is similar .. |
| 14:25.43 | tob | yangsx, thx works fine. |
| 14:26.19 | Hannibal | Errm, I'm wondering if I'm the only one who can't seem to get anything useful out of http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full and associated / linked pages? |
| 14:26.28 | kzar | abrotman: hmm think I'l have a look on freshmeat or somthing |
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| 14:26.32 | Hannibal | I'm looking for a list of debian package mirrors :) |
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| 14:26.33 | abrotman | kzar: apt-cache search mp3 ? |
| 14:26.39 | kzar | | more :) |
| 14:26.50 | abrotman | !mirror |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:26.54 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:26.57 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 14:26.59 | Nurbs_ | kzar: amarok is somewhat popular |
| 14:27.16 | abrotman | but worthless if you don't want to install all the kde garbage |
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| 14:27.29 | kzar | abrotman: already have for kate |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | ah .. well then .. carry on :) |
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| 14:27.47 | Hannibal | abrotman: that ftp link works; any clue as to why said http url turns up an empty list of mirrors? |
| 14:28.03 | abrotman | kzar: there are some for gnome also .. rhythmbox and totem .. but i'm not sure how "lightweight" you mean |
| 14:28.04 | Nurbs_ | abrotman: you mean... it's a religious question whether to install amarok? *g* |
| 14:28.04 | cheal | Hannibal: you're not |
| 14:28.05 | Firestarter | can someone help me with a problem if I paste in flood? |
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| 14:28.11 | kzar | Nurbs_ :that looks promasing from the screenshot, thanks |
| 14:28.11 | torc | if i mount some volume, its mounted as "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root", how do i change the group of that dir, after it has been mounted? |
| 14:28.12 | abrotman | Hannibal: nfc |
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| 14:28.33 | Hannibal | mmkay. Well, at least I'm not going nuts, thanks a bunch :) |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | Nurbs_: well .. not really .. i wouldn't want to install all that KDE crap just to get something as basic as an mp3 player |
| 14:28.47 | Nurbs_ | abrotman: does it matter? :) |
| 14:28.50 | possie | how can i download the source of a package? cause i need to patch it with a .diff file, i thought it was apt-get build-dep foo |
| 14:28.51 | plbgnr | Nirga1: I need restart X's after removing? |
| 14:28.57 | jm_ | Firestarter2: the thing is that most likely no-one knows in advance whether they can help or not ... |
| 14:28.59 | Nurbs_ | I mean... I would mind on a 386 |
| 14:29.00 | kzar | abrotman: well it doesn't really matter as my pc is quite fast anyway to be honest but I more like the way its really clean and simple |
| 14:29.11 | bibe | possie : and then apt-get source foo |
| 14:29.16 | Guerin | plbgnr: man apt-get |
| 14:29.23 | Guerin | bah |
| 14:29.24 | Guerin | possie: |
| 14:29.46 | abrotman | kzar: you could always try mpg123 :) |
| 14:29.50 | Nurbs_ | abrotman: but nm, EOD ;) |
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| 14:30.18 | Nirga1 | plbgnr: yes, restart X |
| 14:30.39 | plbgnr | Nigra1: ok ... |
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| 14:30.49 | abrotman | Nurbs_: i understand what you're saying .. but i don't have a pile of Qt/KDE stuff on my machine . installing all that to get amarok/k3b/etc would be kind of silly |
| 14:30.58 | possie | bibe, thanks a lot |
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| 14:31.19 | possie | Guerin, man diy |
| 14:31.31 | sanen | where do I specify which NIC this is going to: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j SNAT -s 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 14:31.37 | Mage\work | what's the name of the package to dpkg-reconfigure to change the default comportement when apt ask for thing (dialog, text , ...) ? |
| 14:31.41 | Guerin | possie: what? |
| 14:31.49 | berzerka | fatal_: still there? |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | sanen: #iptables |
| 14:31.54 | cheal | Mage\work: debconf |
| 14:31.56 | jm_ | Mage\work: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:31.59 | sanen | abrotman, thx |
| 14:32.02 | Mage\work | thanks |
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| 14:32.47 | berzerka | sanen: the NIC is ppp0 in that case. |
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| 14:33.13 | sanen | berzerka, I know, but I want eth1 to use it |
| 14:33.25 | abrotman | berzerka: that's for output |
| 14:33.31 | Nurbs_ | abrotman: I can't really see why, though. If I like the app I don't mind an additional use of 0,01% additional disk space for those and some more used RAM while the app is running if it's a good one. I don't understand, but OTOH I don't care really anyway, so... ;) |
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| 14:33.43 | berzerka | sanen: depends on your pppd config, doesnt it? |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | Nurbs_: that's only if you think amarok/k3b are worth it .. i don't :) |
| 14:34.03 | CosmoDad | how can I determine what module was loaded for ethernet device ethX? |
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| 14:34.07 | Nurbs_ | abrotman :) |
| 14:34.13 | Guerin | possie: i guess you're whining because I told you where to find the answer instead of just feeding it to you on a silver platter. |
| 14:34.16 | sanen | berzerka, I dont know |
| 14:34.20 | djp | is it safe to use ~ for home directory of current user in crontab or should i use the complete directory path? |
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| 14:34.29 | sanen | abrotman, so I need to configure input for iptables as well? |
| 14:34.30 | berzerka | sanen, me neither.. ;) |
| 14:34.31 | possie | Guerin, blah blah |
| 14:34.32 | abrotman | Nurbs_: i think xmms/totem and gnomebaker/nautilus work just fine .. but i don't burn many CDs |
| 14:34.37 | Guerin | possie: that's really classy, you know. |
| 14:34.42 | abrotman | sanen: i'm not sure .. you showed us one line :) |
| 14:34.52 | Nurbs_ | abrotman: burn or rip? :) |
| 14:35.07 | Firestarter | what causes this |
| 14:35.10 | Firestarter | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:35.10 | Firestarter | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.10 | Firestarter | E: Broken packages |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | Nurbs_: burn .. for ripping .. i have a special project i need to get moving .. but for that i'll be using jack |
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| 14:35.42 | berzerka | sanen, reformulate your question please. you want to know where to specify which real device the virtual ppp0 device is mapped to? |
| 14:35.44 | sanen | abrotman, I've read a lot from the howtos from netfilter.org but I can not complete a config to use eth1 trough ppp0 |
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| 14:35.51 | Quest | hi, does anybody know why my include_path of my fresh php5 install refers to /opt/php5, but that directory does not exist :) |
| 14:36.02 | Quest | (installed with apt-get php5, etc...) |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | sanen: you'd be much better off asking #iptables .. they know more about this topic |
| 14:36.12 | plbgnr | Nigra1: thanks :) it works |
| 14:36.14 | Guerin | Quest: from which branch of debian? |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | /opt/ ? |
| 14:36.29 | Quest | orignally knoppix :) |
| 14:36.36 | Guerin | Quest: ask #knoppix |
| 14:36.42 | Quest | hehe |
| 14:36.44 | Guerin | Quest: this is not a debian question. |
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| 14:36.56 | Quest | well knoppix is a debian distro right? |
| 14:36.58 | Quest | well thanx anyway |
| 14:37.00 | Quest | :) |
| 14:37.01 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 14:37.01 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 14:37.08 | Quest | ;) |
| 14:37.09 | Quest | ok |
| 14:37.21 | sanen | berzerka, its in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider I think |
| 14:37.23 | CosmoDad | how can I determine what module was loaded for ethernet device ethX? |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | i can't believe knoppix would use /opt/ either |
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| 14:37.41 | abrotman | CosmoDad: dmesg might help |
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| 14:37.55 | sanen | berzerka, I found this line in that file: plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0 |
| 14:37.55 | CosmoDad | abrotman: it doesn't in my case, unfortunately |
| 14:38.07 | CosmoDad | abrotman: neither is lsmod |
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| 14:38.34 | CosmoDad | abrotman: isn't there some place in debian that says: if ethX is loaded, use module foo? |
| 14:38.35 | abrotman | CosmoDad: how many NICs can you have ? |
| 14:38.38 | Guerin | Rawplayer: what are you? |
| 14:38.46 | CosmoDad | abrotman: two |
| 14:38.47 | abrotman | a tard? :) |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | CosmoDad: do you know what they are ? .. i don't think ifrename will help either |
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| 14:39.16 | Nirga1 | sanen: check ip forwarding is enabled. "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" then use something like "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s ! 192.168.0.0/24 -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE". Check your default gateway too (man route) |
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| 14:39.33 | MasterPUA | Hiya! Is Debby in? |
| 14:39.39 | CosmoDad | abrotman: what do you mean by "what they are"? There's my WLAN device using ipw2200 which I'm aware of, but I can't figure out the NIC driver |
| 14:39.50 | berzerka | sanen: like i guessed, it is (in turn) a pppd setting. |
| 14:39.56 | CosmoDad | abrotman: or type... this is a laptop machine with some intel network card |
| 14:39.58 | abrotman | CosmoDad: lspci .. what is it ? |
| 14:40.04 | CosmoDad | abrotman: oh lspci! |
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| 14:40.10 | djp | is it safe to use ~ for home directory of current user in crontab or should i use the complete directory path? |
| 14:40.21 | Guerin | djp: ~ should be safe everywhere |
| 14:40.27 | MasterPUA | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ djp ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 14:40.28 | djp | Guerin, cheers |
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| 14:40.34 | abrotman | MasterPUA: why? |
| 14:40.45 | CosmoDad | abrotman: damn why didn't I think of lspci? it's a broadcom, I think I'll be able to figure out the driver by now |
| 14:40.46 | CosmoDad | abrotman: thx |
| 14:40.52 | abrotman | CosmoDad: tg3 or b44 |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | CosmoDad: most likely anyways |
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| 14:41.01 | berzerka | sanen: if you run pppoeconfig, you can select the device to be used interactively (if they both are connected to an access concentrator aka modem) |
| 14:41.05 | administrator | hi |
| 14:41.19 | CosmoDad | abrotman: it's tg3, thanks a thousand times man |
| 14:41.27 | abrotman | CosmoDad: enjoy |
| 14:41.32 | sanen | berzerka, I am connected (right now) on eth0 |
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| 14:41.57 | sanen | Nirga1, Mixing NAT and Packet Filtering: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 14:42.07 | Firestarter | what causes this problem cpp-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3-base (< 1:3.3.6) but 1:3.3.6-7 is to be installed |
| 14:42.10 | abrotman | sanen: #iptables |
| 14:42.19 | fevoldj2 | I'm having trouble with Konqueror. I get the error could not find mime type application/octet-stream |
| 14:42.30 | berzerka | okayokay =) *changes to #iptables, too* |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | Firestarter: you're mixing sources, out of date mirror, you're using unstable ? |
| 14:42.36 | sanen | abrotman, If they don't answer i will come back =) |
| 14:42.51 | Firestarter | abrotman: yes |
| 14:42.58 | abrotman | sanen: take berzerka with you .. there are more people there who know more about iptables .. they may catch an error |
| 14:43.01 | cheal | fevoldj2: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:43.06 | fevoldj2 | alright |
| 14:43.09 | sanen | kk |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | Firestarter: those were all options .. |
| 14:43.18 | bonz | Firestarter: clueless root user? |
| 14:43.35 | abrotman | berzerka: sanen: i didn't mean you hvae to leave #debian .. just that people in #iptables might catch something you both miss |
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| 14:43.47 | Firestarter | abrotman: using sarge |
| 14:44.00 | berzerka | abrotman: i would never leave #debian ;) |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | Firestarter: no etch/sid/testing/unstable packages ? |
| 14:44.23 | enveezee | hmm looks like I _may_ be able to get myself an 800Mhz G3 w/ 256MB ram and Airport for less than $400 |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | !info gcc-3.3-base sarge |
| 14:44.29 | dpkg | gcc-3.3-base: (The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)), section devel, is required. Version: 1:3.3.5-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 14:44.39 | abrotman | Firestarter: apparently you're not running sarge |
| 14:44.41 | enveezee | I was thinking I would have to settle for a lower end G3 for that price range |
| 14:44.43 | abrotman | !info gcc-3.3-base etch |
| 14:44.43 | cbr | !info xchat sid |
| 14:44.45 | Firestarter | abrotman: I switched a few weeks ago so I probably still have a few |
| 14:44.51 | dpkg | gcc-3.3-base: (The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.6-7 (etch), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | enveezee: do you want wifi ? |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | Firestarter: switched to what ? |
| 14:45.09 | luite | enveezee: are you going to run os x? |
| 14:45.13 | enveezee | abrotman: wouldnt hurt |
| 14:45.21 | cbr | !info xchat sid |
| 14:45.29 | cbr | it does exist |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | enveezee: just that i was going to say that you could get a G4 cube for about that .. i think |
| 14:45.30 | cbr | wtf |
| 14:45.40 | Firestarter | abrotman: changed my testing to sarge |
| 14:45.48 | enveezee | luite: I will play with it for a while if I get it. but most laptops I am looking at come with it preinstalled but no cd.. so I dont know.. I look to run debian |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | you can't change testing to sarge |
| 14:45.57 | abrotman | cbr: maybe it's not there today |
| 14:46.00 | luite | enveezee: ah, laptop |
| 14:46.06 | enveezee | abrotman: I want a portable pc.. I got plenty of non-portable ones |
| 14:46.21 | luite | enveezee: I already thought it was quite expensive for a desktop pc :) |
| 14:46.51 | cbr | abrotman: it is.. although 2.6.0 has been out for 2 weeks and 2.4.5 is still the latest at sid, it is there :p :/ |
| 14:47.01 | Firestarter | abrotman: what should I change it to? |
| 14:47.06 | luite | enveezee: but still, 800mhz g3 is quite slow, and it's a few years old now, so the battery might be worn out |
| 14:47.16 | enveezee | luite: I got currently 6 desktop pcs here, I left like 6 in texas.. and I got who knows how many more sitting at the electronic hospital I have long forgotten about |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | cbr: i guess dpkg is in a bad mood |
| 14:47.23 | abrotman | Firestarter: go back to using etch |
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| 14:47.37 | abrotman | enveezee: a cube is pretty small :) |
| 14:47.44 | enveezee | luite: I figured an 800mhz would be fine.. my fastest pc now is an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ IIRC |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | enveezee: a G3 is pretty bad compared to a G4 |
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| 14:48.00 | enveezee | abrotman: I want a portable pc in the sense it can run on the go |
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| 14:48.16 | luite | enveezee: 800mhz g3 is more like a p3 at the same clock. probably slower |
| 14:48.17 | enveezee | abrotman: well G4 & G5 cost more than 3 times as much |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | enveezee: and now you know why :) |
| 14:48.29 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.31 | enveezee | bah |
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| 14:48.50 | abrotman | enveezee: if you really just want a portable .. it's fine .. but don't expect anything to run quickly :) |
| 14:48.57 | enveezee | heh |
| 14:48.58 | duplex- | Does anyone know if there are .debs for enlightenment 17 yet? |
| 14:49.04 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 14:49.06 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
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| 14:49.10 | abrotman | duplex-: ^^ |
| 14:49.11 | duplex- | Thank you. |
| 14:49.12 | bonz | enveezee: neigh |
| 14:49.25 | abrotman | enveezee: are you running linux or osx on it ? |
| 14:49.25 | enveezee | abrotman: I expect it to run at about 600-800mhz depending on what I end up getting |
| 14:49.25 | duplex- | That's a handy bot. |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | duplex-: we like him |
| 14:49.36 | enveezee | abrotman: it will come with OSX, I will be putting debian on it. |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | enveezee: ask #debianppc about using a G3800 vs a G4(somethingelse) |
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| 14:50.00 | enveezee | abrotman: I would probably consider dual booting.. but most them dont come with OSX cds.. and I dont feel too comfortable running something I dont have |
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| 14:50.09 | Nirga1 | anyone using a Zaurus pda here? |
| 14:50.23 | enveezee | or I could buy a zaurus |
| 14:50.27 | abrotman | enveezee: sure .. OSX is cheap .. but your budget might not permit |
| 14:50.33 | luite | i'd try to get a cheap celeron m or something, for debian, if that's possible for that price. but the apple would look better of course :P |
| 14:50.33 | enveezee | but I am thinking I will want a full sized portable with a harddrive |
| 14:50.38 | bonz | Nirga1: I wish I was |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | (assuming you think $100+ for your OS is cheap) |
| 14:50.45 | VivekVC | Anyone good with phppg admin here ? |
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| 14:50.48 | gary_ | how can I make a file in /usr/local/share/xxx/file.py execute when I enter a word like foo. So it will know that that is the file I want to execute. Would I use alias? |
| 14:50.58 | enveezee | abrotman: I think $0 is cheap for an OS |
| 14:51.01 | gary_ | alias foo=/usr/local.... |
| 14:51.04 | abrotman | enveezee: hehe |
| 14:51.22 | abrotman | gary_: is there a /usr/bin/python at the top ? |
| 14:51.30 | bonz | gary_: enter a word where? |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | or #!/usr/bin/python .. or whatever it is |
| 14:51.55 | gary_ | yes. I know I have to do python..... |
| 14:52.05 | dorto | is there an application that allows me to print only odd pages and then only even pages so that i can print on both the sides of the paper? do i have to install adobe acrobat for that? |
| 14:52.08 | PerfDave | Nobody has to do Python ;) |
| 14:52.15 | VivekVC | My phppgadmin is not allowing logins as root,admin, pgpadmin etc.., could not find a solution, the /var/log/postgres.log showshttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/W0eVrS88.html. Thanks in advance. |
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| 14:52.46 | enveezee | abrotman: I could get an IBM/HP/COMPAQ/DELL/TOSHIBA..etc for like half the cost or less.. but I've had several of them in the past and had to fight with them to get debian running, and ended up breaking them in the process |
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| 14:53.24 | bonz | fight too get debian running on a toshiba? |
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| 14:53.47 | yangsx | dorto: select odd/even pages in gv kghostview and print |
| 14:53.50 | PerfDave | bonz: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 14:53.57 | bonz | every single notebookI've had run debianoutofthe box frompotato through too sid |
| 14:54.49 | bonz | PerfDave: why? I have noissues using debianonthe toshiba's I'mircing from |
| 14:55.09 | bonz | except for a sticky space bar |
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| 14:55.27 | dbf | hi there, excuseme, i miss stdio.h and all the stuff |
| 14:55.34 | dbf | what have i to apt-get install ? |
| 14:55.40 | PerfDave | bonz: Sorry, you appeared to be asking a question of the channel in poor english, so I directed you to a good resource :) |
| 14:55.41 | Guerin | !b-e dbf |
| 14:55.44 | dpkg | dbf: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:55.44 | PerfDave | dbf: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:55.57 | dbf | PerfDave: compile |
| 14:56.04 | dorto | yangsx: thx a lot! so ijust need to install gv :) |
| 14:56.08 | PerfDave | !wayc dbf |
| 14:56.10 | dpkg | dbf: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:56.36 | fatal_ | berzerka: unfortunately I'm not allowed to privmsg (if you're wondering why you aint getting any replies from me). |
| 14:56.36 | dbf | because i'm a PROGRAMMER |
| 14:56.45 | dbf | dpkg: thanks ily |
| 14:56.46 | bonz | PerfDave: I was asking a question of how one could have an issue installing debian on a toshiba |
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| 14:57.06 | berzerka | fatal_: ah okay.. but you read it? |
| 14:57.11 | fatal_ | berzerka: yes. :) |
| 14:57.11 | dbf | dpkg: anyway precompiled stuff < * |
| 14:57.14 | dorto | dbf: dpkg is a bot in the sense its not a real person |
| 14:57.16 | dbf | with G-E-N-T-O-O |
| 14:57.18 | berzerka | fatal_: agree? |
| 14:57.22 | dbf | i use to COMPILE EVERYTHING |
| 14:57.38 | dbf | cause G-E-N-T-O-O > lesbian |
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| 14:57.44 | PerfDave | dbf: You're clearly wrong :) |
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| 14:58.04 | dbf | PerfDave: do you like to use 8086 BINARIES |
| 14:58.05 | bonz | hmm !@#$% trolls & their caps |
| 14:58.07 | fatal_ | berzerka: well... more or less, but not quite... I think we only have two different ways of describing it, but basically saying the same thing. :) |
| 14:58.08 | dbf | on your 4proc system ? |
| 14:58.10 | dbf | i don't |
| 14:58.18 | dbf | that's i why USE G-E-N-T-O-O |
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| 14:58.23 | abrotman | NAP! |
| 14:58.26 | dbf | and not gnu/lesbian |
| 14:58.28 | dbf | pls ktnx |
| 14:58.28 | dbf | bye |
| 14:58.32 | dorto | dbf: why not /join #gentoo? |
| 14:58.34 | berzerka | fatal_: well, lets settle on that ;) |
| 14:58.37 | zumbi_ | !hi |
| 14:58.38 | dpkg | hello, zumbi_ |
| 14:58.39 | PerfDave | What a wanker :) |
| 14:58.41 | dorto | what a stroller |
| 14:59.00 | dorto | if he had to do that, surely he could have done better |
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| 14:59.28 | abrotman | and people wonder why smart people thing gentoo users are tards :) |
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| 14:59.37 | dorto | hahaha |
| 14:59.47 | fatal_ | berzerka: interesting discussion however. :) |
| 14:59.51 | quiet | hey guys.. i found this link: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Howto_add_fluxbox_to_gdm. I don't have the /etc/gdm/Sessions folder.... I DO have /etc/gdm... am I supposed to create the 'Sessions' directory? |
| 14:59.52 | dorto | he would compile even his bath soap because he is a PROGRAMMER |
| 14:59.53 | abrotman | just wait til he finds out that his software isn't threaded and can't use 4proc! |
| 15:00.29 | bonz | abrotman: Isn't that aninsult too tards? |
| 15:00.47 | dorto | hahahaha |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | bonz: why? .. they don't let gentoo-bies on the short bus ? |
| 15:01.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: They keep trying to compile the bus with -O17 to make it faster |
| 15:01.14 | yangsx | an interesting issue: my computer automatically reboot after I power it off (sleep for several minutes) |
| 15:01.34 | abrotman | and didn't gcc drop 8086 as a target .. a while ago? :) |
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| 15:01.43 | yangsx | any reasons for that? |
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| 15:01.53 | PerfDave | yangsx: Wake on LAN? |
| 15:02.07 | bonz | yangsx: yes or it wouldn't be doing it :) |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | yangsx: your computer misses you .. :) |
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| 15:02.38 | yangsx | PerfDave: but I didn't enable it, I'm trying to figure it out how to fix it |
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| 15:03.02 | abrotman | yangsx: check your BIOS .. it may be on |
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| 15:03.18 | lordnazgu | trying to compile 2.6.8 using bootsplash and im having a bit of trouble with the bootsplash package. i get the kernel built and installed ok, mkinitrd ok and can boot like that (although it doesnt show a splash because i havent used the splash util) when i make initrd.splash either through dpkg-reconfigure or splash -s -f ... i get a kernel panic saying it cannot mount root filesystem. any ideas? |
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| 15:03.53 | snoogert | hi, some know if is possible to monitor (count) the number of downloads for a .deb packages in my repository? |
| 15:04.11 | PerfDave | snoogert: How is your repository served to clients? |
| 15:04.31 | yangsx | abrotman: ok. don't know how the strange behavior was triggered. |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | yangsx: WOL is about all i can think of |
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| 15:04.50 | abrotman | yangsx: assuming it's actually off |
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| 15:05.17 | yangsx | abrotman: how can I turn it off? checking the bios? |
| 15:05.21 | cyzie | after upgrade to kde3.4 using "apt-get dist-upgrade" it seems that it is not successful judging from the kmenu no longer there. whenever i click whatever file on desktop, it wont associate to a program |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | yangsx: i said that already |
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| 15:05.44 | abrotman | cyzie: #debian-kde |
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| 15:05.59 | yangsx | abrotman: yes, just try to confirm the solution. thanks |
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| 15:06.15 | snoogert | PerfDave: a repository is on a server and every machine can download from it |
| 15:06.23 | Soplo | hi |
| 15:06.38 | abrotman | snoogert: served via http or ftp ? |
| 15:06.51 | snoogert | PerfDave: http |
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| 15:08.11 | PerfDave | snoogert: How is it served? Apache? |
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| 15:08.37 | snoogert | PerfDave: yes, apache... |
| 15:08.42 | lordnazgu | anyone at all familiar with bootsplash? |
| 15:08.45 | PerfDave | snoogert: Uhm, read your Apache logs? |
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| 15:09.35 | phyrster | can ap-get fetch pkg archives from a ftp site requires user name and password? |
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| 15:10.22 | snoogert | PerfDave: the problem is that it's a public web space and i've not access to apache logs :( i can use only php... |
| 15:10.23 | phyrster | the system admin gave me some space on his ftp but says it isn't annoymous and I need to use the password |
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| 15:10.36 | Nirga1 | phyrster: dunno, but you may try this syntax: http://user:password@host/directory/.... |
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| 15:10.45 | phyrster | it is possible to let aptitude/apt aware the user name and password? |
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| 15:11.07 | _rene_ | phyrster: at least for http yes, according to man sources.list |
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| 15:11.20 | snoogert | PerfDave: it's easy to do with php and a web browser, but with apt-get (or synaptic) i don't know hot to do it... |
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| 15:11.24 | _rene_ | phyrster: no idea about ftp, man sources.list doesn't mention it. try :) |
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| 15:11.33 | phyrster | _rene_: unfornately it is ftp |
| 15:11.38 | phyrster | can it do the job? |
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| 15:11.54 | PerfDave | snoogert: Uhm, apt-get uses HTTP just like a web browser. |
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| 15:14.47 | snoogert | PerfDave: buy i cannot put a string like this "http://www.site.com/get.php?download=filename.deb" in sources.list or i can? |
| 15:14.54 | deeptz | bol |
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| 15:15.40 | xtf | Is there a recommended web mail package for Debian? I only find sqwebmail but I think there are others. |
| 15:15.46 | yangsx | snoogert: I guess not. |
| 15:16.04 | Nurbs | snoogert: wget http://www.site.com/get.php?download=filename.deb; dpkg -i filename.deb in that case. |
| 15:16.25 | dorto | even on LAN, vnc is coming very slow; what could be the problem? its 10mbps wireless link |
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| 15:16.39 | dorto | i am using x11vnc server and vncviewer client |
| 15:16.47 | LiquiDark | Hi. I have a debian box that hangs during startup when it tries to bring up the network - the DHCP client starts, it broadcasts one DHCPDISCOVER packet and then the system locks up. This occurs whether or not it's connected to Ethernet, and also in KNOPPIX. Any suggestions? |
| 15:16.53 | PerfDave | snoogert: apt-get converts the entries in sources.list into URLs by string manipulation. You may be able to use this to your advantage with a PHP script, I don't know. |
| 15:16.53 | valdyn_ | xtf: squirrelmail |
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| 15:17.07 | PerfDave | LiquiDark: have you tried leaving it for a while? |
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| 15:17.55 | snoogert | nurbs: yes, but i don't want download a file, i want only count the number of downloads from my repository... |
| 15:17.58 | dorto | when its not able to find a dhcp server, it tries 6-7 times on my computer and then resumes booting process |
| 15:17.58 | LiquiDark | perfdave: I haven't, but I have a KVM that uses a keyboard hotkey sequence to change screens, and it stops working when this happens, which means the system is good and locked up. I could try it, though. |
| 15:18.07 | The_Ball | is there any tool i can use to scan a filesystem for duplicate files? |
| 15:18.08 | LiquiDark | it only tries once |
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| 15:18.59 | PerfDave | LiquiDark: Hang on, your KVM crashes when your Debian box requests an IP? |
| 15:19.15 | snoogert | PerfDave: ok, i'll try, but i don't know... |
| 15:19.17 | xtf | valdyn_: Thanks. I looked in the email packages list and didn't see it. :( |
| 15:19.22 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 15:19.41 | elephantman | How can i output a .config file from my current kernel configuration ? |
| 15:19.44 | valdyn_ | xtf: apt-cache search web mail |
| 15:19.49 | elephantman | To use it on a new kernel |
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| 15:19.59 | PerfDave | elephantman: cat /proc/config.gz, or look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:20.06 | LiquiDark | perfdave: not exactly. my KVM won't change screens when the current machine is locked up (it's cheap, don't ask). If I force-power off the debian box, it returns to my windows box. |
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| 15:20.20 | herve_02 | hello, i am pretty new to debian where to find solution for a networking card (realtek 8100) module 8139too not responding to arp-who is on sarge |
| 15:20.24 | Kraig | say i wanna use .xinitrc, so, besides the script/command i need to use, what else do i need? load the window-manager also? |
| 15:20.24 | PerfDave | LiquiDark: Sounds to me like you want to take the KVM out of the equation. |
| 15:20.43 | LiquiDark | perfdave: the KVM is a symptom, not the problem |
| 15:20.54 | LiquiDark | it's just how I know the system is locked up |
| 15:21.24 | valdyn_ | Kraig: you need a last line in there starting your last program 'exec something'. 'something' is usually your WM |
| 15:21.26 | elephantman | PerfDave: ok thanx a lot |
| 15:21.42 | Kraig | valdyn_: ok, thanks |
| 15:21.42 | gary_ | So anyone know how can I make a file in /usr/local/share/xxx/file.py execute when I enter a word like foo. So it will know that that is the file I want to execute. Would I use alias? |
| 15:21.47 | gary_ | it is a python file |
| 15:22.01 | PerfDave | gary_: Set $PATH |
| 15:22.13 | gary_ | thanks, silly me :D |
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| 15:23.15 | yangsx | /bye |
| 15:23.43 | phyrster | a quick question about vsftp |
| 15:24.03 | phyrster | who to add an account to it? not local ones. |
| 15:24.09 | phyrster | how to .... sorry. |
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| 15:24.34 | phyrster | I don't want annoymous access, how to add it an account to vsftpd? |
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| 15:24.37 | Guerin | god fucking damnit, why is my usb mass storage device not working now, when it's worked a million times in the past |
| 15:25.05 | PerfDave | Guerin: They have low finite lifespans? |
| 15:25.09 | Guerin | i get output when I plug it in; the driver recognises it and so on, but it doesn't show in /proc/partitions |
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| 15:25.21 | Guerin | PerfDave: this is ~2 months old and has been barely used |
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| 15:25.32 | Guerin | and functions perfectly on its own, and with my camera |
| 15:25.43 | PerfDave | Guerin: Oh, so it hasn't "worked a million times in the past" then? ;p |
| 15:25.47 | blondie | blame linux TBH :| |
| 15:25.54 | gary_ | Any ideas how to turn of the internal beep in debian? |
| 15:25.59 | blondie | I've seen it do that randomly :\ |
| 15:26.01 | Guerin | PerfDave: no, more like a hundred |
| 15:26.03 | valdyn_ | !bell |
| 15:26.03 | dpkg | hmm... bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. |
| 15:26.04 | blondie | gary_: unplug the speaker |
| 15:26.23 | gary_ | :-\ |
| 15:26.25 | blondie | gary_: did you un-rootkit your machine? |
| 15:26.36 | Nirga1 | gary: "rmmod pcspkr" |
| 15:26.41 | gary_ | blondie: I re-installed debian, so yes I did |
| 15:27.00 | Guerin | Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
| 15:27.03 | gary_ | blondie: I was going to ask later about making my server safer. I disabled all root logins via ssh, and only have one user at the minute and it has a good password |
| 15:27.06 | gary_ | Nirga1: thanks |
| 15:27.13 | Guerin | what's the /dev path to that device? |
| 15:27.24 | Nirga1 | :) |
| 15:27.53 | caphuso | dpkg: bell is also or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 15:27.53 | dpkg | caphuso: okay |
| 15:28.41 | Guerin | huh |
| 15:28.53 | Guerin | and now, about a minute after connection, it shows up |
| 15:29.03 | Guerin | i definitely blame linux |
| 15:29.08 | blondie | gary_: ok, I'd suggest making it so only that user can SSH :) |
| 15:29.23 | gary_ | blondie: any hints on how I could do that ? |
| 15:29.42 | sward | or udev |
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| 15:30.06 | gary_ | blondie: I'll unhash the AuthorizedKeysFile too |
| 15:30.29 | Guerin | bah |
| 15:30.50 | blondie | gary_: "AllowUsers username" <-- put that in sshd_config and restart it, with your username there |
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| 15:32.47 | valdyn_ | !rmmod |
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| 15:33.41 | valdyn_ | dpkg, rmmod is 'rmmod' doesnt exist, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 15:34.09 | valdyn_ | hah |
| 15:34.50 | stouset | Why no rmmod? |
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| 15:35.21 | Nirga1 | "apt-get dist-upgrade" complains about Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop and hints about activating "APT::Force-LoopBreak". But man says "Never Enable this option unless you -really- know what you are doing." and "SUCH A LOOP SHOULD NEVER EXIST AND IS A GRAVE BUG". The package to temporaly remove is e2fsprogs. Anyone knows about that? |
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| 15:35.47 | stew | Nirga1: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 15:35.47 | PerfDave | Nirga1: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:35.52 | valdyn_ | stouset: it doesnt respect the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/ ( see man modprobe on what that does ) |
| 15:36.05 | gary_ | blondie: cool, it worked |
| 15:36.08 | stouset | Nirga1: Try using a frontend like aptitude. Makes it much easier to solve dependency problems. |
| 15:36.10 | gary_ | I'll also need to set up FTP |
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| 15:36.18 | rossi | where is the = on a english keyboard?? |
| 15:36.26 | gary_ | I'd like it to only allow some IP addresses, or maybe just some usernames in fact |
| 15:36.28 | stew | rossi: next to backspace |
| 15:36.54 | stouset | valdyn_: and modprobe does respect /etc/modprobe.d? :) Because I put a blacklist module in there and it still unfailingly loads it at startup... |
| 15:36.55 | Nirga1 | PerfDave: I just install from pocketworkstation.org |
| 15:37.02 | blondie | gary_: ftp is very insecure :\ |
| 15:37.05 | blondie | hmm |
| 15:37.11 | blubb | <-- pee |
| 15:37.15 | stew | Nirga1: you have to upgrade to the current stable before you upgrade to testing |
| 15:37.16 | jsn | Is there a page that explains how to recover from the grep-2.5.1 bug? The main trick being that dpkg seems hosed, too. |
| 15:37.19 | blondie | gary_: don't use SSH username for FTP |
| 15:37.23 | blondie | blubb: WHAT |
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| 15:37.48 | rossi | where is the = on a english keyboard?? << ?? |
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| 15:38.10 | stouset | rossi: To the right of '-'. |
| 15:38.13 | PerfDave | Nirga1: Uhm, that appears to be a third-party Debian port rather than Debian proper. As it says on the site, "for support please use the mailing list and Wiki" |
| 15:38.16 | stew | rossi: to the left of backspace, run xkeycaps |
| 15:38.50 | gary_ | blondie: how do you suggest I organise it then? Make two usernames with the same home directory? Or make another username, e.g. gary-ftp and allow it to write to /home/gary ? |
| 15:38.50 | rossi | backspace is that?? \ |
| 15:38.50 | valdyn_ | stouset: just that blacklist has nothing to do with modprobe, thats from udev |
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| 15:39.34 | stew | valdyn_: blacklist does have to do with modprobe now |
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| 15:40.21 | valdyn_ | stew: thats not what the comment says |
| 15:40.33 | stew | valdyn_: which? |
| 15:40.43 | valdyn_ | stew: A default list of modules which should not be automatically loaded by the hotplug subsystem. It does not affect autoloading of modules by the |
| 15:40.53 | valdyn_ | stew: comment on top of that blacklist |
| 15:40.57 | blondie | gary_: I'd use SCP |
| 15:40.59 | blondie | instead of FTP |
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| 15:41.39 | stew | valdyn_: are you sure you aren't looking at a conffile that wasn't purged when hotplug was removed? |
| 15:42.05 | gary_ | blondie: good idea |
| 15:42.11 | gary_ | I use that with nautilus |
| 15:42.18 | valdyn_ | stew: checking that |
| 15:42.29 | blondie | gary_: you would need to enable SSH for the users that want to use SCP though |
| 15:42.36 | gary_ | I hardly even use ftp only rarely to transfer some files. I could, if needs by, enable it just for a while to transfer then disable it |
| 15:42.40 | gary_ | yea |
| 15:42.49 | Skrotto | Is there a way to enable scp-only and not textmode ssh? |
| 15:43.03 | stouset | stew: No, that file is part of udev |
| 15:43.29 | PerfDave | Skrotto: scponly |
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| 15:44.08 | stew | stouset: right and if he still has hotplug comments in there, i'm saying its probably becuaese that file is a conffile which wasn't removed when hotplug was removed |
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| 15:44.39 | cr3 | I connected a usb cdrom drive to my PC and I can't seem to find a corresponding device under /dev: find /dev | grep -i usb |
| 15:44.50 | valdyn_ | stew: duh, that comment isnt necessarily referring to the package named hotplug, but to my hotplug system |
| 15:45.09 | stouset | stew: Ah. Could be. |
| 15:45.26 | stouset | stew: However, I don't remember it being there before hotplug got canned. |
| 15:45.29 | valdyn_ | stew: its the file from the udev package anyway |
| 15:50.14 | valdyn_ | stew: else i'd have a dpkg-dist file there |
| 15:50.14 | jsn | I'm in rescue, I've mounted by partitions and I've configured the network. The first step of my plan is to download the package that is broken(grep). But I don't seem to have DNS. Pointers? |
| 15:50.14 | myren | cr3: my usb storage all shows up as fake scsi stuff, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, &c |
| 15:50.14 | cr3 | myren: thanks, I'll try those |
| 15:50.15 | cr3 | myren: I don't have /dev/sd* devices |
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| 15:50.31 | Woody1 | Is there a tool for making dynamic binary static ? |
| 15:50.31 | petemc | jsn: put the address of a working nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:50.32 | Woody1 | So that I don`t need any libs any more ? |
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| 15:50.36 | pistorio | hello |
| 15:50.36 | TiMiDo | pistorio hello |
| 15:50.36 | pistorio | tenho duvidas |
| 15:50.36 | TiMiDo | pistorio huh? |
| 15:50.37 | TiMiDo | !tell pistorio about br |
| 15:50.37 | stew | valdyn_: stouset: yeah, i might have been getting things confused, sorry |
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| 15:50.43 | valdyn_ | stew: np, i think its just wrong that that file is at that place, even though it has nothing to do with modprobe itself, as it seems |
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| 15:50.46 | stouset | valdyn_: Well, modprobe.conf manpage explicity says it supports the blacklist directive. |
| 15:50.47 | Nirga1 | stew: thanks :) |
| 15:50.47 | faber2 | if i want to build my own kernel under debian i would like to start with the .config of the stock binary distribution. is that available somewhere? |
| 15:50.47 | stouset | valdyn_: So it shouldn't matter what drops files into modprobe.d |
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| 15:50.48 | PerfDave | faber2: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:50.49 | PerfDave | faber2: Why do you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 15:50.56 | faber2 | PerfDave: i dont want to, but the target machine panics with the debian package |
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| 15:51.03 | faber2 | PerfDave: 2.4.27 package works fine, but not the 2.6.12 |
| 15:51.08 | PerfDave | faber2: Don't you think that fixing that would be better? |
| 15:51.17 | PerfDave | faber2: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 15:51.28 | faber2 | PerfDave: i would not know how to fix that |
| 15:51.46 | PerfDave | faber2: If you don't know what's wrong, then how are you going to fix it by compiling your own kernel? |
| 15:51.47 | faber2 | PerfDave: i am on "testing" |
| 15:51.50 | Nirga1 | stouset: Check you don't have both "/etc/modprobe.conf" and "/etc/mrodprobe.d" |
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| 15:52.11 | PerfDave | faber2: I suggest using the stable branch and trying the kernel from there. |
| 15:52.13 | Nirga1 | stouset: Check you don't have both "/etc/modprobe.conf" and "/etc/modprobe.d" I meant |
| 15:52.15 | faber2 | PerfDave: I know whats wrong. the initrd does not contain "megaraid2" |
| 15:52.34 | faber2 | PerfDave: 2.6.8 also panics |
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| 15:53.04 | PerfDave | faber2: And you know how to fix that by compiling yourself? I'm pretty sure that's a well-documented problem. |
| 15:53.38 | faber2 | PerfDave: i just compile the megaraid2 driver into the kernel |
| 15:54.12 | PerfDave | faber2: I'm pretty sure there's an easy way around this that doesn't involve the hassle of compiling your own kernel. |
| 15:54.14 | faber2 | PerfDave: where would i find the documentation solving my problem? |
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| 15:54.21 | PerfDave | faber2: Google is your friend. |
| 15:54.42 | faber2 | PerfDave: if you have an idea how to fix that let me know. may be you know if i can look inside the initrd.img ? |
| 15:54.49 | PerfDave | faber2: Google is your friend. |
| 15:55.10 | PerfDave | I don't know how to solve your problem, I've only ever used supported hardware ;) |
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| 15:55.36 | faber2 | PerfDave: well you were lucky then |
| 15:55.39 | _NiC | i don't suppose anyone have a netinstall-image that works on a supermicro 5014C-T with sata raid-controller? :-) |
| 15:55.49 | faber2 | PerfDave: its the second machine this week, really annoying |
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| 15:56.02 | PerfDave | faber2: No, I just did some trivial research before I bought it :) |
| 15:56.08 | faber2 | see, seems _NiC_ has my problem! |
| 15:56.20 | stouset | Nirga1: I only have /etc/modprobe.d |
| 15:56.28 | jaybuffet | jm_: 2.6.10 :-] |
| 15:56.38 | _NiC | faber2: I do? :) |
| 15:56.38 | faber2 | _NiC_: i had a similiar problem, you can solve this with the existing net iso, at least i could |
| 15:57.18 | faber2 | _NiC_: its the order of the drivers. there is documentation on the sata raid problem with net iso on the debain site |
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| 15:57.31 | _NiC | faber2: this bugrepots from someone else pretty much sums up my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/03/msg00047.html |
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| 15:57.57 | faber2 | PerfDave: i did not buy the machine. plus: it is supported. kernel 2.4.27 runs just fine with it. |
| 15:58.07 | _NiC | faber2: I can use the 2.6 netinst and just modprobe my way through the drivers in console 2? |
| 15:58.17 | PerfDave | faber2: Then run 2.4.27 :) |
| 15:58.31 | faber2 | _NiC_: does 2.4.27 work for you? |
| 15:58.45 | _NiC | faber2: well, yeah, CDROM works, but it doesn't see my disks. |
| 15:58.47 | plbgnr | can anybody help with encoding??? I can't write in gvim,xterm,eterm,irssi with some national characters :( ...but I can in firefox ...even in xfontsel aren't characters which I miss in mentioned programs? where can be problem? |
| 15:59.16 | _NiC | faber2: the raidcontroller is set up as a raid, tried a custom image I found somewhere, and it detected the disks, but not as a raid, but two separate disks. not very nice. :) |
| 15:59.30 | jsn | What are other ways to install a package, other than dpkg? |
| 15:59.39 | faber2 | jsn: apt-get |
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| 15:59.50 | clojster | which program can display image attachments directly in mutt? |
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| 16:00.37 | _NiC | faber2: i don't think the 2.4-kernel supports the controller, at least that's what that bugreport I linked tells me |
| 16:00.41 | PerfDave | clojster: No program can display image attachments directly in mutt. You can get mutt to call other programs to display images though. |
| 16:01.18 | caphuso | PerfDave: aview should be able to ;-) |
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| 16:01.23 | Nirga1 | plbgnr: Check your LANG variable setting. Try "dpkg-reconfigure locales". ... |
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| 16:01.33 | PerfDave | caphuso: Directly within mutt? Or in a shell called by mutt? :) |
| 16:01.34 | xpato | the time field in "ps aux" its hh:mm ? |
| 16:01.39 | clojster | PerfDave: yes, I tried qiv, imagemagick, but they work only as you said - display them aoutside mutt. |
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| 16:02.00 | PerfDave | clojster: What do you want? A text-mode image viewer? Try cacaview or something. |
| 16:02.19 | faber2 | _NiC_ i am trying to find the doc which guided me through my sata raid installatoin earlier this week, but i cannot find it. basically: try expert26, than later when you have to choose which modules to load, only load the bare minium, first for the cd later for the raid |
| 16:02.23 | czorg | is someone here can help me with the new udev package (the one which include hotplug "testing") |
| 16:02.23 | czorg | I want one of my script to be start when i plug a firewire disk |
| 16:02.23 | czorg | I knew how to do that with hotplug |
| 16:02.26 | jsn | apt-get seems to have the same libc problems as dpkg, at leas similar. libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 cannot be opened |
| 16:02.44 | clojster | PerfDave: I want them to be shown in the mutt window behind the message (auto-viewed) |
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| 16:02.55 | faber2 | jsn: actually apt-get calls dpkg |
| 16:03.03 | PerfDave | clojster: But mutt is a curses-based application, it can't handle graphics like that. |
| 16:03.16 | jsn | faber2: I thought i knew that. But how many options did I have :) |
| 16:03.32 | clojster | PerfDave: aha... I thought I've seen that on some screenshot |
| 16:03.50 | plbgnr | Nigra1: thanks but actually this I have done and nothing ...some characters are displayed, others just as question mark |
| 16:04.04 | faber2 | jsn: well good lick then |
| 16:04.12 | PerfDave | clojster: Probably just an x terminal emulator with a background image, running mutt |
| 16:04.52 | clojster | PerfDave: nope... I'm sure the picture was in the mutt behind the message... |
| 16:05.27 | caphuso | clojster: that implies a terminal background image |
| 16:05.37 | PerfDave | clojster: Well, it would look like that, but would be handled by the xterm rather than by mutt |
| 16:05.38 | _NiC | faber2: the log actually says "Missing modules 'ata_piix' etc etc.. does that mean they're not on the CD at all? |
| 16:05.58 | _NiC | (that's during the hardware detection) |
| 16:06.32 | _NiC | modprobing them later doesn't work either .. but I can try unchecking most of the modules in the steps before the detection |
| 16:06.37 | clojster | hmm, ok... |
| 16:06.52 | clojster | I'm gonna search for that screenshot :) |
| 16:07.06 | czorg | is someone here can help me with the new udev package (the one which include hotplug "testing") |
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| 16:07.14 | czorg | I want one of my script to be start when i plug a firewire disk |
| 16:07.16 | faber2 | _NiC_ did you boot expert26? did you see the list of modules which will be attempted to load? |
| 16:07.24 | _NiC | faber2: this was a 2.4-attempt |
| 16:07.33 | KiwiWiki | what are the most common anti-virus software to add to a linux mail server, please? |
| 16:07.34 | xiao | i can't use module-assistant now, when using SELECT, nothing happened. |
| 16:07.35 | _NiC | I'll try 2.6 now, hopefully I can get it to detect my cdrom.. :) |
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| 16:07.54 | _NiC | (I *think* the disk-controller works with 2.6) |
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| 16:08.11 | faber2 | _NiC_: you'll be fine :-) |
| 16:08.16 | petemc | KiwiWiki: clamav |
| 16:08.17 | _NiC | hehe |
| 16:08.27 | xiao | I seem see some message after pressing enter, i like " Unable to ..." |
| 16:08.34 | KiwiWiki | petemc, thanks! |
| 16:08.37 | clojster | PerfDave: but mplayer can play videos in console... there really isn't some program which displays images in console? |
| 16:08.38 | petemc | np |
| 16:08.41 | faber2 | anyone knows how i can look inside a initrd.img? |
| 16:08.57 | caphuso | faber2: loop mount it |
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| 16:08.59 | jsn | Hrm, googling for "when debian dpkg broken" doesn't seem to be heading me in the right direction. |
| 16:09.40 | _NiC | i suppose I can uncheck most of the "IDE chipset support"-modules without getting into trouble? |
| 16:09.41 | valdyn_ | clojster: what are you expecting from displaying anything graphically in a console? |
| 16:09.41 | caphuso | _NiC: as long as you keep the one(s) you need |
| 16:09.41 | faber2 | _NiC_: yes, i think so |
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| 16:09.42 | PerfDave | clojster: We already mentioned cacaview and aalib |
| 16:09.42 | faber2 | _NiC_ as long as you have generic support |
| 16:09.42 | _NiC | caphuso: well, I'm not really sure which ones i need, that's the problem :-) |
| 16:09.51 | caphuso | _NiC: then don't |
| 16:09.58 | clojster | PerfDave: cacaview converts graphics to ascii, right? |
| 16:10.09 | _NiC | I've kept ata_piix, ide-core, piix, ide-generic, ide-disk, ide-cd and isofs |
| 16:10.20 | _NiC | I'll give it a try. :) |
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| 16:11.00 | faber2 | in the initrd.img i see a file "loadmodules". does anyone know when this is exectued? |
| 16:11.14 | faber2 | _NiC_: hold on |
| 16:11.14 | _NiC | now I'm at the point where it doesn't find my cdrom anymore ... funny, the installer is running from it. %-) |
| 16:11.18 | faber2 | _NiC_: start with the CD |
| 16:11.24 | faber2 | _NiC_: later you do the raid |
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| 16:11.40 | faber2 | _NiC_: you have to disable the raid controller first |
| 16:11.54 | _NiC | faber2: from the controller-bios? |
| 16:11.57 | rossi | warning config_crypto_arc4 is required to build this module what can I do there make menuconfig sais no rule for making menuconfig |
| 16:12.08 | faber2 | _NiC_: no from that very list you just worked on |
| 16:12.15 | _NiC | ah, ok. |
| 16:13.36 | plbgnr | Nirga1: it is very strange ....i can choose any kind of font in xfontsel (japanese,russian,...) but not one which I want 8859-2 ....can base-config help? |
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| 16:14.24 | MasterPUA | Pay Homage to my Cock. |
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| 16:15.07 | faber2 | caphuso: can i just write back into my initrd.img, which is mounted with -o loop? will it still work as initrd during boot? |
| 16:15.17 | caphuso | faber2: doubtful |
| 16:15.30 | plbgnr | did anybody have problem with font 8859-2 ? |
| 16:15.33 | caphuso | most filesystem types typically used for initrds are read-only |
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| 16:15.51 | valdyn_ | plbgnr: that is not a font |
| 16:15.54 | _NiC | faber2: removed ata_piix and piix from that list, and it actually found the cdrom :D |
| 16:16.10 | faber2 | _NiC_ good! |
| 16:16.15 | Nurbs | sometimes initrds aren't initrds even, but initramfss :o) |
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| 16:16.38 | faber2 | my initrd mounted with type "cramfs" and read-write |
| 16:16.40 | _NiC | faber2: so when/how do I load the drivers for the sata raid-controller? now? or even later? |
| 16:17.08 | faber2 | _NiC_: do you need them to install your base system? do you want to have you debian installed on them? |
| 16:17.33 | _NiC | well, yeah, I'm supposed to install debian on the raid1-volume |
| 16:18.20 | jsn | So, dpkg/apt-get and grep are broken. I was thinking I'd try to get a working binary dpkg from someone else on debian/powerpc. Does that sound like the totally wrong wa to go about things/ |
| 16:18.20 | plbgnr | valdyn_: ok then font with this character set................ |
| 16:18.34 | Nirga1 | plbgnr: There are two font systems. Have a look at pango maybe... |
| 16:18.41 | _NiC | hm, getting another detection here, this might actually work |
| 16:18.51 | faber2 | jsn: yes |
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| 16:19.01 | faber2 | jsn: what is your problem anyway? |
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| 16:20.22 | valdyn_ | plbgnr: that hint for pango wont help you, but you might want to install the -transcoded font packages ( apt-cache search transcoded ) |
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| 16:22.21 | jsn | faber2: grep, dpkg are broken. grep complains about libpcre, dpkg about libc6. If you google debian grep libpcre the first hit seems like the same problem as mine |
| 16:22.27 | FarrisG | Can anyone recommend a good, relatively inexpensive 8-channel SATA RAID card? |
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| 16:22.47 | jsn | faber2: I have wget'ed the new grep. But without dpkg, how to install it? I'm not sure. |
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| 16:23.02 | MasterPUA | Item arrived in ACCEPTABLE condition & VERY fast! No feedback 4 me yet. |
| 16:23.02 | MasterPUA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.02 | MasterPUA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.13 | faber2 | jsn: sorry, i dont think i can help you with amd64 |
| 16:23.35 | SlammerXP | FarrisG: one with "3ware" written on it |
| 16:23.45 | Ronin | enveezee: pick me up a case of stout |
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| 16:24.00 | _NiC | hm, nah, still doesn't detect the disks |
| 16:24.19 | enveezee | Ronin: they sell cases next door at the beer dist.. they only sell 5ths and half gallons and shit in the liquor store |
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| 16:24.38 | enveezee | Ronin: include <stdio.h> |
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| 16:25.10 | plbgnr | valdyn_:I have found: xfonts-base-transcoded xfonts-75dpi-transcoded... this? |
| 16:25.11 | enveezee | I am going cause I am working for the lady who works there |
| 16:25.11 | jsn | faber2: powerpc, not amd64. |
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| 16:25.22 | _NiC | oh well, time to go home. Gotta have something to do tomorrow too.. cya all. thanks for your help faber2 :) |
| 16:25.29 | faber2 | jsn: ok |
| 16:25.42 | faber2 | _NiC_ have a good evening! |
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| 16:26.17 | FarrisG | SlammerXP: 3ware is good, eh? |
| 16:26.22 | enveezee | and I am out of alcohol :P |
| 16:26.35 | _NiC | faber2: you too! |
| 16:26.41 | SlammerXP | FarrisG: they make superb bits of kit. |
| 16:26.45 | faber2 | "loadmodules" in initrd.img want to load "megaraid2", which i cannot find in the ramdisk. whats wrong? |
| 16:26.57 | Skrotto | enveezee: I usually go to sleep, or the store when that happends. :p |
| 16:27.00 | plbgnr | valdyn_: hmmm :( it doesn't help (I have it installed before) |
| 16:27.09 | enveezee | and this platinum credit card gets too hot in my pocket.. I got to take it out and shake it around every so often |
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| 16:28.03 | soymilk | anyone here watch videos on an iriver? |
| 16:28.17 | Firestarter | heh |
| 16:28.19 | enveezee | with or without the iboat? |
| 16:28.20 | Firestarter | Need to get 578MB of archives. |
| 16:28.21 | Firestarter | After unpacking 86.1MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 16:28.48 | soymilk | i have a question about video format conversion, since it requires smaller size |
| 16:29.17 | Om | Whatever you want, if it involves movies mplayer/mencoder will probably do it |
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| 16:29.26 | faber2 | whats again that nifty hardware detection tool called? |
| 16:29.35 | grout_ | i have a .deb file i need to install, how can i do it? |
| 16:29.44 | faber2 | grout_: dpkg -i |
| 16:29.45 | Spliffster | can anyone help me with hte following error message, i don't know what causes the following error at boot : "VFS: Cannot open device "<NULL>", or unknown-block(22,1)" |
| 16:29.46 | grout_ | the .deb is on my desktop |
| 16:29.48 | soymilk | someone wrote a mencoder frontend to do it, but its poorly written in java and basically won't build/run |
| 16:29.51 | plbgnr | quit |
| 16:29.54 | fbi | faber2: discover |
| 16:30.14 | faber2 | fbi: thx, but i was looking for something else. its a command line tool. |
| 16:30.17 | azeem | grout_: why did you not install the program via e.g. aptitude or synaptic? |
| 16:30.20 | soymilk | faber2: lspci ? |
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| 16:30.31 | soymilk | faber2: lsusb also |
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| 16:30.45 | faber2 | soymilk: nope. it was a longer name |
| 16:30.54 | grout_ | how do i add depositories in synaptic |
| 16:31.01 | DrunkenNoob | does anyone know of WYSIWYG HTML editor that supports site sync using ssh/sftp. I tried NVU and it does not work with sftp |
| 16:31.09 | faber2 | dmidecode! |
| 16:31.12 | faber2 | i remember |
| 16:31.13 | grout_ | i would if the file i needed was in a depository |
| 16:31.24 | azeem | grout_: there is a GUI for it, 'Modify Package Lists' or something |
| 16:31.41 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, AFAIK there is no such WYSIWYG editor at all |
| 16:31.44 | fbi | grout_: %s/depository/repository/g |
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| 16:31.51 | nullvoid | hello guys |
| 16:31.53 | DrunkenNoob | NVU |
| 16:32.10 | DrunkenNoob | Spliffster, NVU is WYSIWYG editor |
| 16:32.11 | faber2 | during a kernel config, can i somewhere see the acutal "name" of the modul, as being used later by "modprobe" ?? |
| 16:32.12 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, DW is probably gonna support sftp, but then ... you must iinstall win or MacOS |
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| 16:32.24 | DrunkenNoob | I used it sometime back but now I cannot use the FTP connection Spliffster |
| 16:32.28 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, i know, i have written extensions for it |
| 16:32.35 | mike_sol | morning all |
| 16:32.45 | DrunkenNoob | Err,,, Spliffster DW?? |
| 16:32.55 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, FTP works now, sftp will probably not be supported in the near future |
| 16:33.01 | nullvoid | morning mike_sol |
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| 16:33.06 | CaptKurt_ | mike_sol... imagine 790 people saying goodmorning :P |
| 16:33.06 | DrunkenNoob | noooooooooo no win. Had enough of trouble with it already. |
| 16:33.08 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, DW= macromedia DreamWeaver |
| 16:33.13 | grout_ | whats an apt line |
| 16:33.27 | cr3 | anyone happen to know how I can make cdcd output music through the audio card instead of the cdrom plug? |
| 16:33.28 | nullvoid | well here is realy morning heh at 12:33am |
| 16:33.50 | DrunkenNoob | so am I stuck here? I tried Quanta but it does not fit into my requirements. |
| 16:33.53 | CaptKurt_ | it's 5:30 pm here :P |
| 16:33.58 | DrunkenNoob | any idea? Spliffster ?? |
| 16:34.14 | nullvoid | cr3: get your audio cable working from your cd to your audio card |
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| 16:34.24 | fbi | grout_: man dpkg; man apt-get; man aptitude; man synaptic |
| 16:34.28 | cr3 | nullvoid: the cdrom is usb :( |
| 16:34.41 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, nae, the best tol avaliable is DW, sorry, i am looking for such tools for years now. nothing usable (except N|Vu) for *nix platforms |
| 16:34.43 | nullvoid | cr3: no comment then |
| 16:34.45 | jsn | faber2: some of the helps do provide the module name. the helpful ones. some don't |
| 16:35.17 | faber2 | jsn: mmmhhh... i need to know which option compiles the "megaraid2" module |
| 16:35.19 | trym | http://pastebot.nd.edu/487 <-- somethings fubared.. I can't do a apt-get install kde ? |
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| 16:35.31 | DrunkenNoob | Spliffster, NVU does not support frames right? I am actually ok with it. But anyways if there is nothing available... might have to think of something else to compromise |
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| 16:36.00 | fbi | trym: if you're on etch, no. |
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| 16:36.08 | nullvoid | DrunkenNoob: why don't you visit NUV |
| 16:36.12 | trym | fbi: Im using testing |
| 16:36.20 | fbi | trym: etch == testing |
| 16:36.27 | Spliffster | DrunkenNoob, right |
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| 16:36.40 | DrunkenNoob | I visited. I used NVU for sometime, but then the webhost disabled FTP |
| 16:36.41 | trym | fbi: amarok just suddenly disappeared while I was installing other packages.. what might have happened? |
| 16:37.17 | fbi | trym: no idea. kde was taken out of etch so a major transition could happen |
| 16:37.34 | nullvoid | trym: wait couple of days until all server properly propogate |
| 16:37.44 | nullvoid | heh or change to gnome |
| 16:38.03 | fbi | propogate? what is there to "propogate" kde is not in etch. |
| 16:38.09 | fbi | there is nothing to propogate. |
| 16:38.09 | jsn | faber2: You did find the RAID section, right? |
| 16:38.15 | nullvoid | yeah |
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| 16:38.30 | nullvoid | fbi: donno bout that |
| 16:38.32 | faber2 | jsn: let me go back |
| 16:38.41 | DrunkenNoob | Hey Spliffster how about using Ooo? Maybe I can write an extension to i.t |
| 16:38.48 | Spliffster | i get the error: "VFS: Cannot open device "<NULL>", orunknown-block(22,1)\nPlease append a correct 'root=' boot option", i have set root=/dev/sda1 in grub. how can this happen ? |
| 16:38.51 | nullvoid | anyone play with hurd here? |
| 16:38.55 | DrunkenNoob | Spliffster, is it good enough? Spliffster ? |
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| 16:39.13 | faber2 | Spliffster: the driver for the hardware is loaded? |
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| 16:39.35 | Spliffster | faber2, yes it detects the disk a couple of lines above |
| 16:39.38 | trym | fbi: ah |
| 16:39.51 | trym | well that sucks |
| 16:39.59 | faber2 | jsn: acutally i lost the RAID option, where is it? |
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| 16:40.00 | nullvoid | Spliffster: your kernel must have the module or have the module built-in to the kernel |
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| 16:40.18 | Spliffster | faber2, "Attachedscsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0 id0, lun 0" |
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| 16:40.19 | grout_ | so there no way just to add a .deb file to synaptic? |
| 16:40.27 | shib | i can't right-click on my desktop or i can't put any maps on it..what do i have to do? |
| 16:40.47 | faber2 | Spliffster: does it detect partitions? |
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| 16:40.52 | nullvoid | check your input device config |
| 16:41.02 | fbi | grout_: huh? if you have the *.deb, use dpkg -i to install it. you aren't going to get very far if you don't read some man pages about debian's package management |
| 16:41.11 | Spliffster | faber2, yes, all five partitions are detected |
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| 16:41.23 | waltman | how does one configure sound on modern debians now that sndconfig doesn't seem to be available any more? |
| 16:41.54 | valdyn_ | waltman: read the faq? |
| 16:41.56 | faber2 | Spliffster: well than i dont know. may be someone can translate the VFS codings for you. i keep forget how it works |
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| 16:42.35 | Spliffster | faber2, the disk works as ide disk, to enable dma i must use it as with the sata driver. so i have changed fstab, grub settings and i pass an k-option to load the disk via sata rather than ide |
| 16:42.56 | waltman | valdyn_: hmm |
| 16:42.57 | Spliffster | faber2, then i get this strange error |
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| 16:43.30 | nullvoid | try adding 'devfs=nomount' |
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| 16:43.54 | Spliffster | nullvoid, do you mean me ? |
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| 16:44.07 | nullvoid | yeah |
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| 16:44.13 | Spliffster | nice name by the way ... somewhat nothing however |
| 16:44.15 | waltman | hmm, it might help if i knew what sound of sound card this mb has... :) |
| 16:44.18 | Spliffster | ty for the hint .. i'll try |
| 16:44.30 | fbi | waltman: lspci |
| 16:45.46 | nullvoid | ok guys I feel sleepy |
| 16:45.51 | nullvoid | good night from malaysia |
| 16:45.53 | nullvoid | bye |
| 16:45.58 | waltman | Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01 |
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| 16:46.10 | Spliffster | gn nullvoid |
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| 16:47.10 | trym | fbi: is a solution to use unstable instead? |
| 16:47.17 | trym | cause my entire kde system is broken now |
| 16:48.27 | antgel | trym: if you think moving to unstable is a good idea to fix a broken system, perhaps you should really be using stable |
| 16:48.37 | trym | heh.. well this is a workstation |
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| 16:48.46 | trym | i don't remember unstable as actually unstable |
| 16:48.58 | trym | and its not to fix a broken system |
| 16:49.07 | trym | the system is broke because suddenly kde vanished from the testing rep |
| 16:49.09 | pureone | unstable can be unstable sometimes it depends really |
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| 16:49.13 | valdyn_ | trym: you probably havent understood why unstable is called unstable |
| 16:49.27 | pureone | most of the time its not |
| 16:49.31 | trym | unstable can hardly be more unstable than kde is now after a single apt-get fucked it up |
| 16:49.33 | antgel | trym: actually it's broken because you upgraded testing |
| 16:49.57 | trym | antgel: true.. but the main problem is that kde does not exist in the rep |
| 16:50.23 | pureone | just use fluxbox and wait for it to come back ;) |
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| 16:50.35 | waltman | ok, i'm not even sure i've got the mobo hooked up for sound, so i'll put this off till later. thanks. |
| 16:50.36 | trym | pureone.. hehe.. well.. except I need a few applications that depend on kde |
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| 16:50.49 | antgel | trym: the main problem is that you are using and upgrading testing without a clue |
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| 16:50.53 | pureone | what apps? |
| 16:51.19 | trym | antgel: I didnt upgrade, i just simply installed a package and let it follow its dependencies |
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| 16:51.36 | valdyn_ | trym: that was one horrible idea |
| 16:51.41 | trym | and it when it comes to me not having a clue.. I do have a clue.. however I am not an expert at this certain issue |
| 16:51.57 | trym | yeah.. I should know installing applications is something I be careful with |
| 16:52.11 | trym | next time Ill wear a helmit while doing apt-get install asimpleapp |
| 16:52.14 | writerase | hi, is it possible to add version to a Provides virtual package like "Provides: apache-common = 1.3.29 " |
| 16:52.19 | trym | helmet* |
| 16:53.09 | faber2 | how can i get a list of my hardware with VID : DID :SVID :SSID ?? |
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| 16:53.55 | trym | antgel: And if you have a few clues.. Im always happy to receive them |
| 16:53.56 | chris__ | what package do I need to run "make install" |
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| 16:54.09 | trym | I mean.. you seem to have a great deal.. why not share ? |
| 16:54.12 | faber2 | chris__: gcc, make, autoconf, automake |
| 16:54.14 | PerfDave | chris__: What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:54.19 | antgel | trym: sure. use stable until you understand how to avoid breaking your testing or unstable system |
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| 16:54.27 | trym | antgel: Thats not a good clue |
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| 16:54.34 | valdyn_ | trym: you should reinstall stable, downgrading is not supported |
| 16:54.42 | PerfDave | trym: That's a very good clue :) |
| 16:54.43 | antgel | trym: it works for many satisfied customers |
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| 16:55.01 | ronauger | list/w |
| 16:55.06 | PerfDave | To be honest, even if you do understand how to avoid breaking your testing/unstable system, using stable is *still* a good idea :) |
| 16:55.10 | valdyn_ | trym: and if you need a testing or unstable package again, backport it |
| 16:55.12 | trym | Well Id like to be able to install new versions of applications without having to use backports |
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| 16:55.23 | antgel | trym: you can't have the penny and the bun |
| 16:55.30 | valdyn_ | trym: thats not possible |
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| 16:55.53 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got a problem... I mounted a disk on which i backed up a whole system, chrooted into it, mount /proc and ran a MAKEDEX ide. Now i try to do a grub-install /dev/hdc but i get an error message "/dev/hdc does not have a corresponding bios drive" anyone please ? |
| 16:56.20 | Ockie | Hey people, anyone know where I can check what debian i should get (i386, alpha...) with a K8N Diamond mobo? |
| 16:56.22 | trym | Im a fairly smart person... Are you telling me you have to be a rocket scientist to run testing? If not.. why not point me in the direction I need to go to find information on how to be a competent testing user? And btw.. Ive been using testing for two years.. haven't had this sort of problem yet. Kind of a coinsidence |
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| 16:56.37 | antgel | !tell Ockie about ig |
| 16:56.37 | valdyn_ | Ockie: if you have to ask, i386 |
| 16:56.41 | antgel | Ockie: i386 |
| 16:56.53 | Ockie | ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 16:57.09 | PerfDave | trym: Yes, it is kind of a coincidence :) |
| 16:57.11 | jsn | trym: There is a reason for that. After each new release (sarge becomes stable) unstable becomes far more unstable, at least, it is likely too |
| 16:57.12 | Ockie | im going to get a hard disk then & install it... just wanted to make sure before i started doing anything |
| 16:57.21 | antgel | trym: nobody said you have to be a rocket scientist. you just need experience of how debian works |
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| 16:57.33 | Ockie | Thanks again! Have a nice day :-) |
| 16:58.01 | gui | hi |
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| 16:58.35 | antgel | !test |
| 16:58.35 | dpkg | Sorry, antgel, I didn't get your test. |
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| 16:58.59 | trym | All Im basically saying is that I have not had any problems up to the point where kde was removed from the apt-get rep. And Im having a hard time swallowing that this is reason enough for me to run stable instead of testing, when Ive had no other problems? But you are right, I should aquire more experience.. but heck.. there's only one way of doing that |
| 16:59.37 | trym | I would be glad to run stable.. if at any time could easily get the newest version of software.. say kde for example? |
| 16:59.44 | trym | I imagine that would be hard to accomplish using stable |
| 16:59.50 | valdyn_ | trym: so you're saying basically, that you didnt have any problems using testing, till you used it. |
| 16:59.52 | antgel | trym: if it makes you feel any better, lots of people get into your shoes. they want debian stability with latest packages, and they don't realise that they can't have both |
| 16:59.53 | trym | or any other app, that has a few dependencies |
| 17:00.05 | trym | valdyn: No Im saying I have used it for two years |
| 17:00.05 | Nirga1 | trym: kde was not removed :) |
| 17:00.06 | antgel | !tell trym about releases |
| 17:00.16 | trym | Nirgal: Somone else in here told me otherwise |
| 17:00.24 | trym | Nirgal: that it was temporarily taken out |
| 17:00.43 | gui | hi, who could help me? |
| 17:00.54 | PerfDave | trym: It's very simple. Running the bleeding edge ("newest version of software") means running software has bugs, occasionally serious bugs. Debian's stable release is a nice unchanging backdrop for you to be as productive as you like without fear of things breaking. |
| 17:00.55 | Nirga1 | trym: can't you see it? |
| 17:00.59 | loxley_ | gui: just shoot :) |
| 17:01.01 | PerfDave | gui: Try asking a question :) |
| 17:01.02 | antgel | !tell gui about ask |
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| 17:01.24 | valdyn_ | trym: alrigyt, for starters: once you upgrade to testing, DO NOT RUN dist-upgrade without watching carefully what that will do. apt-get upgrade is usually quite safe |
| 17:01.36 | r3tex | where do i put my gcc make.conf file on debian |
| 17:01.37 | r3tex | ? |
| 17:01.53 | trym | PerfDave: But you're not getting me here. Im not complaining about bugs in the software. I would expect that. But due to the temporare removal of kde from the testing rep, is there an easy way for me to fix this, or do I need to wait till they put it back ? |
| 17:02.10 | trym | nirgal: the dead people... or kde? |
| 17:02.13 | antgel | trym: also, you may want to use aptitude instead of apt-get. that way you get a good look at what it's going to do |
| 17:02.17 | Nirga1 | trym: kde :) |
| 17:02.22 | PerfDave | trym: That happens in the testing repository, when software has serious bugs. |
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| 17:02.24 | antgel | !why is kde not in testing |
| 17:02.27 | dpkg | kde is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kde |
| 17:02.41 | faber2 | if my /boot/initrd.img is of type cramfs, can i just mount it, make changes and boot with it? |
| 17:02.51 | trym | nirgal: I do see it.. but its unavailbible |
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| 17:03.02 | valdyn_ | faber2: no |
| 17:03.04 | PerfDave | "unavailable" how? |
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| 17:03.24 | gui | i have an debian 3.1 sarge, in a dvd, I'd like to change my version to etch, can i do this using jigdo? |
| 17:03.31 | trym | PerfDave: Well Im very understand of that. The reason I came here for help was whether there is a way for me to solve this or not. After all.. to aquire experience.. one needs to learn new things right? |
| 17:03.35 | jsn | faber2: I have no idea. But I always thought the deal with having to run lilo or ybin was bootloader related. grub not needing to |
| 17:03.39 | faber2 | valdyn_: if i install a stock debian kernel, is initrd.img produced locally? |
| 17:03.40 | trym | understanding* |
| 17:03.50 | valdyn_ | faber2: yea |
| 17:03.54 | petemc | faber2: you can install initrd-tools to make your own |
| 17:04.00 | enveezee | oh man, I committed alcohol abuse... I dropped my bottle on the way home :P |
| 17:04.03 | PerfDave | trym: You can wait until it comes back :) |
| 17:04.06 | trym | PerfDave: see http://pastebot.nd.edu/487 |
| 17:04.20 | trym | PerfDave: Ok.. if that is the only "reasonable" way.. ill do that |
| 17:04.25 | enveezee | I got into a wreck with nothing but air. |
| 17:04.35 | enveezee | worst crash into nothing you would probably ever see |
| 17:04.43 | jsn | I'm in rescue mode, what's the best way to have the shell recognize my libs from the mounted partitions? |
| 17:04.50 | enveezee | I wish I could have seen it from another angle |
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| 17:05.06 | antgel | jsn: recognize your libs? |
| 17:05.13 | faber2 | valdyn_: i am installing the stock 2.6., initrd.img includes the "megaraid2" module, which is a required module on my 2.4. kernel. in 2.6 though that driver is called megaraid_mbox |
| 17:05.33 | trym | And if there is some guidelines out there on the web somewhere on how to responsible use testing (hints bewares etc), please.. please.. tell me about it |
| 17:05.41 | faber2 | valdyn_: and the 2.6 boot panics with FATAL; megaraid2 not found |
| 17:05.46 | antgel | trym: i already pointed you to the releases page |
| 17:05.54 | trym | I would be more than glad to expand my knowledge and grow experience like fungis |
| 17:06.01 | bibe | gui : recently, etch-installer beta1 was released. see if a dvd was also released |
| 17:06.04 | bibe | !d-i |
| 17:06.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:06.06 | faber2 | valdyn_: can i influence the modules list which is in initrd.img ? |
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| 17:06.19 | trym | antgel: Well I have already read that page.. its not exactly what Im looking for (unless it contains links that I have not followed) |
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| 17:07.19 | Spliffster | in case of problems with my custom kernel and my h/w, where should i ask questions (ml,news,irc,etc)? |
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| 17:07.28 | abrotman | !lkml |
| 17:07.29 | dpkg | methinks lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there, and ALSO read -all- messages from the archives before posting.) : http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 17:07.29 | PerfDave | trym: You really need to read more into this. You're talking about kde being removed from testing, when your problem is that kdeaddons is not installable. |
| 17:07.37 | Nirga1 | trym: Install kdebase-bin, kdesktop and other stuff. I guess you can survive without kdeaddons or kde-amusements |
| 17:07.51 | PerfDave | trym: Have you checked the BTS for kdeaddons? |
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| 17:08.06 | jsn | antgel: I have mounted everything under /target. When I try to run dpkg, either the version I have on my machine or something I unpack from a .deb, it complains GLIBC_2.3 not found. I figured, hopefully, it was as simple as it not knowing where to look for it. |
| 17:08.09 | trym | perfdave: No I havent.. |
| 17:08.14 | trym | this is the stuff I need to know about |
| 17:08.25 | azeem | that lkml factoid is stupid |
| 17:08.31 | Rawplayer | re |
| 17:08.33 | trym | and I know its not kde thats gone.. but kde as a whole is whats fubared on my computer right now |
| 17:08.34 | Kraig | when i don't work for around 1 minute on a computer, the screen turns off, who controls that? |
| 17:08.52 | Silent_al | Hi! :) does some1s got a good source for Debian Etch to D\L Bittorrent & vlc ? |
| 17:08.57 | gui | i have 3.1_r0a and i'd like to know if i could use a new 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:09.01 | PerfDave | trym: Well, if you want to fix your system, you need to be precise in telling us what's wrong with it :) |
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| 17:09.06 | PerfDave | gui: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 17:09.10 | citral | Kraig: the little troll, under the table |
| 17:09.13 | antgel | trym: /msg dpkg grounding. *lots* of useful docs therein. if you still feel that debian's documentation is lacking, please file wishlist bugs (and include patches ;) |
| 17:09.13 | PerfDave | trym: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 17:09.19 | SerajewelKS | Silent_al: th isn't a leet channel. use english please. |
| 17:09.23 | Kraig | citral: i was beginning to fear that, ain't that scary? |
| 17:09.24 | SerajewelKS | Silent_al: this* |
| 17:09.26 | Nirga1 | kraig: probably x server. see xset, xset s |
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| 17:09.32 | Spliffster | anyone: where to ask for help in case of kernel config / hw problems ? |
| 17:09.37 | mikeo | where are debian deamon scripts stored? (in redhat there in /etc/rc.d/init.d/daemonscript |
| 17:09.39 | antgel | jsn: what os did you boot? |
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| 17:09.46 | PerfDave | Silent_al: Use apt-get to install packages |
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| 17:09.49 | azeem | dpkg: no, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 17:09.50 | Kraig | citral: as long as it doesn't catch my balls everything is nice :) |
| 17:09.50 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
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| 17:09.58 | PerfDave | mikeo: /etc/init.d/ as in pretty much everywhere other than RedHat :) |
| 17:10.01 | citral | Kraig: mwahaha |
| 17:10.06 | relic | .... |
| 17:10.07 | mikeo | PerfDave: thnx :) |
| 17:10.14 | trym | PerfDave: true.. and to be honest.. right now Im not quite sure. I think a .deb package I tried installing just now, replaced a few libraries that my current kde setup required. (Which is obviously my bad). Trying to fix that by reinstalling the correct libraries give me dependencies issues using apt-get |
| 17:10.15 | mikeo | PerfDave: i'm trying to switch :) |
| 17:10.17 | gui | PerfDave: it will be stable using this kind of kernel? |
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| 17:10.30 | trym | antgel: thanks |
| 17:10.32 | Silent_al | PerfDave done that , this is what i got : Err ftp://ftp.tau.ac.il testing/main bittorrent 3.4.2-3 |
| 17:10.32 | Silent_al | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.48 | PerfDave | Silent_al: Run apt-setup as root |
| 17:10.59 | faber2 | is there documentation on how debian produces the initrd.img when i install a stock kernel? |
| 17:11.01 | Kraig | and apt-get update? |
| 17:11.03 | PerfDave | trym: What did you try installing by hand and why? |
| 17:11.09 | SerajewelKS | Silent_al: get azureus |
| 17:11.10 | PerfDave | gui: It should be |
| 17:11.23 | trym | PerfDave: a guitar tuner infact.. because it did not exist in the repository |
| 17:11.31 | Kraig | faber2: man -k initrd |
| 17:11.32 | trym | at least not a version that lets you choose which sound device to use |
| 17:11.33 | Silent_al | SerajewelKS , too heavy for my pc .. O_O |
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| 17:11.41 | antgel | trym: purge the bad package |
| 17:12.03 | jsn | antgel: I've booted install24 from CD. |
| 17:12.06 | trym | I did a apt-get remove |
| 17:12.11 | PerfDave | trym: So you installed a third-party .deb from god knows where, and it replaced your KDE libs? |
| 17:12.22 | cahoot_ | is the differentiation between kernel-image and linux-image a novelty for testing or is it valid also for sarge? |
| 17:12.24 | warren | Hi, I am looking for a Debian maintainer contact to talk about flashplugin-nonfree. Or probably any Debian developer would do. |
| 17:12.31 | antgel | jsn: what debian version is under /target? |
| 17:12.32 | trym | PerfDave: I know its idiotic |
| 17:12.32 | gui | CAn i have one debian that have two versions of kernel in the same machine? |
| 17:12.39 | trym | PerfDave: As I said.. my bad.. I was tired |
| 17:12.39 | PerfDave | gui: Yes |
| 17:12.48 | loxley_ | faber2: can't you just make the missing module? then create an initrd.img yourself with mkinitrd? |
| 17:12.50 | trym | PerfDave: didnt pay enough attention to what it was doing |
| 17:12.51 | PerfDave | cahoot_: It's new in testing and unstable. |
| 17:12.54 | sgeigerbot | gui: It depends on how you do it. |
| 17:13.01 | PerfDave | trym: I'd find the author of said .deb and shoot them :) |
| 17:13.06 | cahoot_ | PerfDave: ok |
| 17:13.15 | trym | PerfDave: My virtual gun is already loaded |
| 17:13.24 | sgeigerbot | gui: you can't have two kernels running at the same time unless you use virtualization |
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| 17:13.30 | faber2 | loxley_: i probably could. but i have never done it, so i tought of mounting the initrd.img, changing it and done, but peopel here say its more complicated |
| 17:13.39 | gui | sgeigerbot: i'd like to have 2.4 and 2.6? what i have to do? |
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| 17:14.22 | faber2 | gui: are you in 2.4 or 2.6 know? |
| 17:14.26 | faber2 | s/k// |
| 17:14.32 | sgeigerbot | gui: I see. Well, they can both be stored in /boot/ If you learn how to compile a kernel on your own, this is simple to understand. If you use apt-get, perhaps it is, too. (I never do it the debian way.) |
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| 17:14.42 | cahoot_ | gui: alternating 2.4 and 2.6 will become 'clunky' |
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| 17:15.42 | TheCount | *sigh* someone motivate me, please. can't get myself to implement RFC1938 |
| 17:15.59 | PerfDave | gui: You can install as many kernels as you want, but you can only run one at a time. You choose which one you want to run at boot time. |
| 17:16.23 | trym | o-oh.. aptitude is on a rampage |
| 17:16.24 | antgel | !beer TheCount |
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| 17:16.53 | TheCount | antgel: thanks a lot :) |
| 17:16.53 | jsn | antgel: Sorry, bad lag here. sid/powerpc is beneath /target. I just tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/target/lib:/target/usr/lib and I got a different error, this time about GLIBC_2.3 and GLIBC_PRIVATE |
| 17:17.08 | loxley_ | TheCount: one time passwords? |
| 17:17.13 | loxley_ | :) |
| 17:17.37 | trym | btw.. has anyone experienced extremely poor graphic performance when using two graphic adapters? |
| 17:17.59 | gui | PerfDave:ok, but i need to install many kernels normally or i need to do somethig diferent? |
| 17:18.07 | TheCount | loxley_: yeah |
| 17:18.13 | PerfDave | gui: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 17:18.14 | trym | oh well.. aptitude is removing all my packages.. should I be worried |
| 17:18.23 | Kraig | sounds nice |
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| 17:18.35 | antgel | trym: if you want the packages, yes |
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| 17:19.02 | trym | lol ;) |
| 17:19.08 | faber2 | what modules do i need to put in my initrd.img? only the ones to access the root filesystem? |
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| 17:19.12 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got a problem... I mounted a disk on which i backed up a whole system, chrooted into it, mount /proc and ran a MAKEDEX ide. Now i try to do a grub-install /dev/hdc but i get an error message "/dev/hdc does not have a corresponding bios drive" anyone please ? |
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| 17:19.28 | gui | PerfDave: i 'd like to instal the kernel 2.6 and 2.4 in the same machine |
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| 17:19.47 | antgel | jsn: i missed the start of your thread. i assume your system is hosed, but how? |
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| 17:19.54 | Kraig | gui: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 17:19.57 | Kraig | errr... |
| 17:20.01 | Kraig | gui: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 17:20.07 | Kraig | then man lilo |
| 17:20.18 | PerfDave | gui: You've got a 2.4 kernel at the moment, right? I told you how to find a 2.6 kernel to install. |
| 17:20.25 | PerfDave | Kraig: Or not, if you're using grub :) |
| 17:20.35 | Kraig | oh yeah, ouch |
| 17:20.40 | cahoot_ | apt-get install kernel-image is simpler to parse the ouput from |
| 17:21.30 | Kraig | btw, i woke up today, did the dist-upgrade, and saw LOTS of bugs reports... |
| 17:21.43 | jsn | antgel: There is a common grep error. 2.5.1. Prevents reboot. Fine. I'm in rescue mode. I have wget'ed the new grep, but I can't install it, because dpkg seems broken. Kinda stumped now, but I can use ar and tar to unpack the debs. |
| 17:22.18 | antgel | jsn: can you chroot to /target? |
| 17:22.25 | jsn | ah |
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| 17:23.51 | jsn | Merci, antgel! Danke Schoen! Now that I am helped, where should I have read about how to do this all? |
| 17:23.52 | mhall | fucking kingsley_ is trying to censor the channel |
| 17:24.00 | mhall | what a punk ass |
| 17:24.08 | antgel | jsn: man chroot ;) |
| 17:24.14 | peterrooney | TheCount: well, one challenge that I note from the RFC "The security of the OTP system is based on the non-invertability of a secure hash function" |
| 17:24.37 | mhall | peterrooney: which isn't the same guarantee it used to be |
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| 17:24.55 | peterrooney | mhall: "All good things..." |
| 17:24.58 | mhall | peterrooney: i'm suspicious of 128 bit hashes and VERY few people are using the 256 or 512 that'd be wise to use |
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| 17:24.59 | antgel | jsn: i think that most guides to un-hosing a broken system involve booting a live/rescue cd, and chrooting. ensures you're using the correct lib versions |
| 17:25.19 | mhall | peterrooney: i had to go to a LOT of work a while ago when i wanted to use SHA512 |
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| 17:25.44 | antgel | mhall: who is kingsley_ and wtf is he doing? |
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| 17:26.59 | gsnedders | any recommendations for a WLAN PCI card that works (without too much hastle) with the 2.6 kernel and sarge? |
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| 17:27.36 | mhall | antgel: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 17:28.01 | mhall | antgel: he took me off his swearing list a while ago because i was busy and didn't have time to fucking swear |
| 17:28.05 | valdyn_ | mhall: that diagram is almost funny |
| 17:28.10 | mhall | antgel: so then i was like kingsley_ wtf mate |
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| 17:28.24 | mhall | antgel: put me back on the list of blasphemers where i belong |
| 17:28.28 | antgel | mhall: i'm fucking gobsmacked. talk about spare time on one's hands. why not do some charity work or something? |
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| 17:28.32 | mhall | antgel: but sadly kingsley_ is untrollable |
| 17:28.39 | Spliffster | where to ask for help in case of kernel config / hw problems ? |
| 17:28.39 | mhall | antgel: i figured you would be |
| 17:28.40 | PerfDave | gsnedders: I just stuck in a Gigabyte WPKG card, grabbed the rt2500-source package from http://packages.debian.org/ in unstable, installed it with "dpkg -i" and then did "module-assistant auto-install rt2500-source; modprobe rt2500" and it works fine |
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| 17:28.52 | mhall | antgel: so if you're gobsmacked why not cause a curfuffle? |
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| 17:29.06 | yxa | when i plug in a usb multicard reader, how can i tell which dev is which? |
| 17:29.11 | antgel | mhall: um, i'm also gobsmacked at the stats at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/profanity |
| 17:29.14 | faber2 | how can i use mkinitrd on a kernel 2.4, if the module name needed to mount root under 2.6 changed? |
| 17:29.17 | PerfDave | gsnedders: It doesn't require firmware and has shiny GPL drivers. It is however a FUCKING BITCH to get working in IPCop :/ |
| 17:29.29 | gsnedders | PerfDave: IPCop? |
| 17:29.33 | faber2 | mkinitrd gives me an error "Module megaraid2" not found |
| 17:29.33 | mhall | in fact even the ops have been making fun of that pig fucker |
| 17:29.42 | mhall | lol |
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| 17:29.55 | beanz | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list is broken |
| 17:29.57 | PerfDave | gsnedders: http://www.ipcop.org/ - Firewall-oriented Linux distro |
| 17:30.01 | antgel | ah, mwilson is banned. didn't know that |
| 17:30.02 | gsnedders | ah |
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| 17:30.14 | mhall | antgel: yeah i was very fucking surprised |
| 17:30.26 | mhall | antgel: i mean he always trolls n00bs so it's not precisely undeserved |
| 17:30.50 | mhall | antgel: and in exchange for fucking with them he does not esp. contribute to helping people with debian |
| 17:30.51 | gsnedders | PerfDave: thanks :) |
| 17:30.56 | PerfDave | You know, it's fucking idiotic having some twat stick a sodding list of profane words on the web, the cunt. Particularly when he has a top bastard 10 for us all to aspire to, just to shit on his day :) |
| 17:31.11 | mhall | PerfDave: that's not all i'd like to shit on |
| 17:31.24 | faber2 | how come my mkinitrd does not produce a file at all? |
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| 17:31.30 | antgel | mhall: true, especially the last point. but no crime compared to astroman who got banned for calling abrotman fat |
| 17:31.30 | mhall | PerfDave: i'd like to go over to... butt fucking nowhere in his little cave and take a shit on his pc |
| 17:31.41 | PerfDave | Especially when the silly sod has "lesbian", "jesus" etc. as profane words. Christ! |
| 17:31.47 | mhall | PerfDave: that'd the son of a bitch |
| 17:31.57 | antgel | PerfDave: :O |
| 17:31.58 | mhall | PerfDave: maybe it's a freudian slip |
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| 17:32.04 | PerfDave | mhall: Yes, shit in his gaping fuckhole! |
| 17:32.05 | mhall | PerfDave: perhaps he wants to get lesbian with Jesus |
| 17:32.13 | sgeigerbot | Is anyone here successfully using captive ntfs? |
| 17:32.17 | olczyk | I just added a second network card. How do I configure it? |
| 17:32.25 | mhall | PerfDave: oh you mean tubgirl reversed mixed with goatse? |
| 17:32.30 | PerfDave | olczyk: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:32.36 | PerfDave | mhall: Oh yes. GIMP it up and send it to him ;) |
| 17:32.37 | mhall | PerfDave: lol that would get his fucking attention |
| 17:32.45 | mhall | PerfDave: i'm seriously tempted |
| 17:32.47 | PerfDave | See if you can't throw lemonparty in there too :) |
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| 17:32.49 | mhall | PerfDave: that might troll him |
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| 17:33.05 | mhall | PerfDave: hmm i gotta google that; that's a shock image i didn't hear of yet |
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| 17:33.41 | Ungy | lemonparty? |
| 17:33.46 | mhall | great bleeding christ on a pogo stick |
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| 17:33.56 | antgel | as if blowjobs or tits are profane |
| 17:33.57 | jbroome | i see you found it |
| 17:34.15 | mhall | jbroome: i guess you could say that |
| 17:34.16 | stouset | PerfDave: "jesus" is a curse word, but so is "punishment" and "guinness" |
| 17:34.26 | mhall | Guinness is on his list? |
| 17:34.35 | Ungy | omg lemonparty is just wrong |
| 17:34.38 | PerfDave | Mmm, guinness |
| 17:34.43 | mhall | Better not be Irish in the channel or racist kingsley_ will get on your ass. |
| 17:34.56 | Kraig | oh man |
| 17:34.59 | Kraig | what a sick site |
| 17:35.03 | jsn | lol |
| 17:35.10 | tummyacid | hello all i am using debian sarge and my battery indicator will not work, can someone please remind me the kernel option i must enable wheni recompile? |
| 17:35.12 | stouset | mhall: unless you can think of another interpretation of "g*innes" |
| 17:35.28 | antgel | abrotman got in trouble for saying dykes |
| 17:35.37 | PerfDave | tummyacid: Why do you think that recompiling your kernel will help? |
| 17:35.38 | stouset | tummyacid: Is there a pressing reason you're compiling your kernel in the first place? |
| 17:35.38 | mhall | stouset: perhaps alcohol is not OK with kingsley_ |
| 17:35.49 | mhall | stouset: better kick all the fucking university students out |
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| 17:35.55 | cranberries | list |
| 17:35.55 | antgel | mhall: what is he trying to do? that isn't clear |
| 17:35.59 | tummyacid | because i am unable to collect statistics on my battery |
| 17:36.00 | stouset | mhall: Shhh, don't say alcohol :\ |
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| 17:36.06 | mhall | stouset: 09:36 -!- mhall [n=mhall@uop-13-237.pacific.edu] |
| 17:36.12 | mhall | stouset: my ass is on the way out the door |
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| 17:36.29 | mhall | stouset: *!*@*.edu is going on the ban list if kingsley_ can help it |
| 17:36.36 | mhall | stouset: never mind i've helped users since 1998 |
| 17:36.36 | keops | hi, i have a little problem, i just installed windows in /dev/hda1 and linux in /dev/hda2 but i installed MBR incorrectly, and i deicided to download GAG but i dont know which files have to be included in the bootable floppy |
| 17:36.37 | keops | <keops> can anybody tell me?? |
| 17:36.51 | tummyacid | i forgot what the name of the service that allows you to tell how much battery life you ahve left, is it acpi or soemthing? |
| 17:37.10 | PerfDave | keops: "decided to download GAG"? "bootable floppy"? |
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| 17:37.16 | stouset | tummyacid: acpid is the daemon that most things will need to query battery life. |
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| 17:37.22 | keops | yes |
| 17:37.26 | keops | PerfDave |
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| 17:37.47 | keops | its because i installed MBR incorrectly |
| 17:37.49 | PerfDave | tummyacid: You may also want to modprobe battery |
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| 17:37.57 | PerfDave | keops: I have no idea what you're talking about :) |
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| 17:37.58 | mhall | stouset: it's alright though; i'm going to go take a great big shit on kingsley's pc |
| 17:38.07 | mhall | stouset: that will teach his ass to fuck with me |
| 17:38.33 | cranberries | when I cpufreq-set, the message "unknow or unhandled CPU?" anyone can help me ? |
| 17:38.35 | tummyacid | alright ive apt-get installed acpid |
| 17:38.46 | Ungy | mhall, that is pretty sick you shoudl keep that to yourself phantom shitting is ok but when you announce it it only comes back to you |
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| 17:38.49 | stouset | mhall: oh come on, you're nowhere near the profanity of dpkg. |
| 17:38.54 | stouset | mhall: If anyone, he need to be kicked. |
| 17:38.55 | deconvolution | hi, I am using emacs under gnome-terminal(stable branch), and the terminal has been suddently locked up which i cannot type any keys inside. Pretty annoying, does someone have solutions? |
| 17:39.07 | antgel | stouset: dpkg even said cunt |
| 17:39.19 | stouset | antgel: you said blowjobs. |
| 17:39.28 | mhall | Ungy: i can take it |
| 17:39.28 | antgel | stouset: damn straight |
| 17:39.36 | mhall | Ungy: i'm tough and i have weapons |
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| 17:39.50 | antgel | i wonder if it will pick up nonce |
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| 17:40.12 | Ungy | mhall ther eis always someone tougher and have bigger weapons |
| 17:40.19 | mhall | antgel: maybe we just need to shanghai kingsley and get him drunk |
| 17:40.28 | mhall | Ungy: fuck it; if i'm dead i won't know the difference |
| 17:40.29 | Ungy | mhall, unless your the US government |
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| 17:40.42 | mhall | Ungy: i'm going to hell anyways it's just a matter of when it occurs |
| 17:40.46 | Ungy | mhall, I guess you got me there |
| 17:40.51 | stouset | mhall: See you there. |
| 17:40.55 | mhall | there's no way God and Jesus are going to save my ass |
| 17:41.00 | Ungy | mhall, you believe in hell? |
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| 17:41.17 | stouset | mhall: Never know, maybe they take bribes./ |
| 17:41.22 | mhall | Ungy: well if it exists i'm pretty much guaranteed to go to it, depravity king that i am |
| 17:41.34 | mhall | stouset: yeah i'll make sure i get my ass into the high income bracket then |
| 17:41.39 | tummyacid | sweet thanks guys you are the best |
| 17:41.40 | lucox | hi can anybody help me ? : modprobe speedstep_centrino |
| 17:41.42 | lucox | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.13.4/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 17:41.47 | Ungy | mhall, well right on ones mans hell is another mans heaven |
| 17:41.47 | stouset | tummyacid: Eh, we're average. |
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| 17:42.01 | stouset | Ungy: Not the Baptist hell. That place is scary for ANYONE. |
| 17:42.04 | mhall | Ungy: hey at least i can live with myself |
| 17:42.11 | mhall | Ungy: i'm not bill fucking gates after all |
| 17:42.17 | stouset | lucox: modprobe p4-clockmod |
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| 17:42.34 | PerfDave | mhall: Depravity king? You use Gentoo? |
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| 17:42.45 | Ungy | mhall, yeah I guess but think abotu it if all gays are goign to hell according to the church right who's to say they don;t get to ass rape all the other guys sent to hell it may be great for them |
| 17:42.50 | stouset | PerfDave: Since when does depraviting king == ricer? |
| 17:43.11 | PerfDave | stouset: OK, using Gentoo doesn't make you depraved. Just using Gentoo and *liking* it ;) |
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| 17:43.14 | Ronin | wow did i ever come back in the channel at the wrong time |
| 17:43.21 | mhall | PerfDave: no that's more of rice rocketeer |
| 17:43.24 | stouset | PerfDave: Absurd. Nobody likes Gentoo. |
| 17:43.25 | mhall | Ronin: there's a right time? |
| 17:43.31 | Ronin | mhall: true |
| 17:43.35 | stouset | Ronin: Don't ask. |
| 17:43.38 | mhall | Ungy: hmm insteresting point |
| 17:43.52 | mhall | Ungy: you have a very good argumentation method; mad props |
| 17:43.54 | lucox | stouset: but i read somewhere, that i don't need the p4-clockmod |
| 17:44.03 | stouset | Dammit, why do the iPod earbuds have to be so bleeding uncomfortable? |
| 17:44.10 | stouset | Hm, I wonder if dammit and bleeding are swear words... |
| 17:44.19 | lucox | stouset: i have pentium mobile - not p4 |
| 17:44.20 | PerfDave | stouset: It's the sensasion of Steve Jobs pissing in your ears |
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| 17:44.29 | antgel | stouset: to make you buy grados |
| 17:44.30 | KomiaPoika | how do you install a .deb package? |
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| 17:44.46 | mhall | stouset: because apple fucking sux0rs |
| 17:44.46 | antgel | !tell KomiaPoika about grounding |
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| 17:44.55 | stouset | lucox: it's just a name. The speedstep-centrino module doesn't support every centrino model yet. |
| 17:45.06 | Ungy | mhall yes some people consider me mad others consider me dull I like to think they can all blow me ;-) |
| 17:45.28 | mhall | Ungy: i'm perhaps the same except i like to think they can't blow me because it wouldn't fit |
| 17:45.32 | lucox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.45 | stouset | lucox: Define "good enough" |
| 17:45.51 | smacnay | does anyone using fb ever have their cursor just disappear? Mine is gone and running 'reset' does not correct the situation. |
| 17:45.58 | mhall | shit i should be going to fucking economics |
| 17:46.07 | lucox | stouset: the ventilator is too often loud |
| 17:46.10 | Ungy | mhall really must be nice I am hung like a chipmunk |
| 17:46.14 | mhall | but right now i don't give a shit |
| 17:46.15 | loxley_ | smacnay: nope.. |
| 17:46.17 | cahoot_ | mhall: read this? http://www.tourettes-disorder.com/symptoms/coprolalia.html |
| 17:46.19 | lucox | stouset: i need to reduce it |
| 17:46.27 | stouset | lucox: p4-clockmod can step the clock speed up and down. Centrinos allow for voltage scaling as well, and that's what the speedstep-centrino module offers in addition to frequency scaling. |
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| 17:46.41 | smacnay | loxley_: strange for me... oh well. I see that it has magiacally reappeared. Even stranger. |
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| 17:46.51 | mhall | Ungy: reminds me of that line from bloodhound gang |
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| 17:47.02 | stouset | lucox: The fan speed doesn't have anything to do with CPU frequency/voltage scaling. |
| 17:47.08 | mhall | Ungy: "i'm hung like planet pluto hard to see with the naked eye" |
| 17:47.18 | mhall | stouset: watch out on p4-clockmod |
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| 17:47.34 | mhall | stouset: i hang out on ACPI lists and they discovered it does not save batteries like acpi scaling does |
| 17:47.37 | Ungy | mhall: "but if I slipped into Uranus I woudl stick it where the sun don't shine"? |
| 17:47.38 | lucox | stouset: frequency -> temperature -> fan speed |
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| 17:47.46 | lucox | stouset: or not ? |
| 17:47.57 | nomad_cz | Hi. What do u thonk of this book : http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian |
| 17:48.00 | nomad_cz | think |
| 17:48.06 | citral | you |
| 17:48.07 | mhall | stouset: because the chip runs full speed with a weird clock pulse timing |
| 17:48.09 | stouset | mhall: Interesting. |
| 17:48.18 | mhall | stouset: as opposed to running lower speed with normal clock pulse timing |
| 17:48.35 | stouset | mhall: How do you muddle with acpi timing, then? I just use p4-clockmod and cpufreqd. |
| 17:48.41 | lucox | stouset: what's the result of voltage scaling in difference to frequency scaling ? |
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| 17:48.54 | stouset | lucox: Yes, but it's indirect. Might be better to just tinker with the fan settings yourself. |
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| 17:48.59 | mhall | stouset: ah if you use cpufreqd to do speedstep that actually does work |
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| 17:49.05 | stouset | lucox: Not much. |
| 17:49.10 | mhall | stouset: speedstep is another interface to the same thing that acpi does |
| 17:49.12 | czr | clockmod is not as energy-efficient as speedstep |
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| 17:49.23 | mhall | stouset: but p4-clockmod is different and saves almost no battery life |
| 17:49.37 | lpb-oberon | is it possible to force unmount a cdrom drive? |
| 17:49.41 | stouset | czr: Which would be great if the speedstep-centrino module worked on all centrinos :\ |
| 17:49.43 | mhall | god i hate fucking mass market radio |
| 17:49.51 | lucox | stouset: do u think i can control the fan ? how ? |
| 17:49.54 | czr | stouset, blame hw vendor then :-) |
| 17:50.05 | mhall | all i use it for is an obscenely loud source of stupid crap to wake me up asap and make me turn it off as fast as i can move |
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| 17:50.09 | czr | it would be even greater that the world would be just and a good place to live for all ;-) |
| 17:50.13 | stouset | mhall: Not sure what I'm using right now, then, atm. Basically, modprobe p4-clockmod and using the default cpufreqd. |
| 17:50.13 | mhall | which in the morning is sadly not too fucking fast |
| 17:50.22 | stouset | mhall: seems to work, so never looked at it in any depth |
| 17:50.33 | stouset | lucox: Should be doable through ACPI :) |
| 17:50.34 | mhall | stouset: you might want to check on your cpufreq kernel driver |
| 17:50.49 | mhall | stouset: because clock mod will cut your cpu's mhz in /proc |
| 17:50.54 | stouset | czr: Nah, it's the module itself. Doesn't my specific Celeron M. |
| 17:50.59 | mhall | stouset: but it just doesn't cut the mhz in a cpu efficient manner |
| 17:51.03 | stouset | czr: doesn't support, even |
| 17:51.10 | mhall | stouset: so it's sort of a weird problem |
| 17:51.18 | sparr_ | i added my user to a group, there was a command i ran in an existing shell to acquire the new groups permissions without logging out, what might that command have been? |
| 17:51.23 | mhall | stouset: truth be told i'm not fucking sure why it exists in the first fucking place |
| 17:51.28 | stouset | mhall: I've checked all the drivers, and this is the only one that loads. |
| 17:51.37 | mhall | stouset: alright it's probably the right one then |
| 17:51.42 | czr | stouset, you could fix it |
| 17:51.52 | czr | stouset, just beg intel to give you the correct tables ;-) |
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| 17:52.06 | stouset | czr: If only I had the knowledge of speedstep/kernel internals/module interface, I would. |
| 17:52.10 | mhall | !tell cranberries about repeat |
| 17:52.12 | cahoot_ | sparr_: newgrp maybe |
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| 17:52.17 | mhall | cranberries: i have a place you might try asking |
| 17:52.29 | sparr_ | cahoot_: thanks |
| 17:52.31 | stouset | sparr_: newgrp, but it requires you to have group passwords |
| 17:52.50 | stouset | sparr_: a simpler but less thorough option is to su to yourself. |
| 17:52.57 | maxxle | I have to write a posix-ready application and need to use posix-Messagequeues. Using vxWorks my Application works. Using Linux 2.6.14 I get always a "permission denied" when doing mq_open(). Is there a special path I have to provide to mq_open()? I have checked my kernel. It's compiled with Posix Messagequeues. Maybe I have to create a special Device in /dev ? |
| 17:52.57 | mhall | cranberries: consider posting information on your system and your problem to the following http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acpi-devel |
| 17:53.05 | sparr_ | is there an equivalent to newgrp that will affect things like KDE and X and other programs that want to run other programs? |
| 17:53.05 | czr | stouset, never hacked at the steepstep driver so I don't know whether it's a difficult project. wouldn't imagine so though |
| 17:53.12 | mhall | maxxle: let me see if i can help you |
| 17:53.16 | stouset | maxxle: This is probably the wrong place to ask that. |
| 17:53.28 | stouset | maxxle: Try #kernel? |
| 17:53.34 | czr | sparr_, you know how newgrp works? |
| 17:53.45 | maxxle | stouset: already tried. No answer for about half an hour. |
| 17:53.55 | sparr_ | czr: no |
| 17:54.01 | czr | sparr_, it starts a new shell so the grp is updated. so you'd need to restart your X-stuff in order for there to exist smt like newgrp for X |
| 17:54.04 | stouset | maxxle: Not sure what to tell you, then. LKML? |
| 17:54.07 | czr | sparr, man newgrp |
| 17:54.08 | sparr_ | ugh, ok |
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| 17:54.13 | stouset | czr: I'd imagine it might, or they'd support the processor by now :P It's pretty common. |
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| 17:54.22 | mhall | maxxle: try the following http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/370021 |
| 17:54.22 | sparr_ | ill just wait til i need to reboot again |
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| 17:54.28 | czr | stouset, depends on who is they :-) |
| 17:54.36 | maxxle | hall: Will have a look at this. |
| 17:54.38 | mhall | maxxle: i'll look for more information over the next couple of minutes |
| 17:54.42 | stouset | czr: THEY, dude. The Illuminati. |
| 17:54.44 | mhall | maxxle: so please hang out for a bit |
| 17:54.50 | stouset | czr: All their laptops are Centrino Ms. |
| 17:54.53 | jsn | Gosh, man restore is long. I just want to "list" the files on this dump (level 5) and then restore a few if I find them. |
| 17:55.01 | czr | stouset, I wondered who in their sane mind would write and support linux drivers ;-) |
| 17:55.08 | czr | stouset, now I know :-) |
| 17:55.10 | stouset | czr: Alan Cox. |
| 17:55.21 | maxxle | hall: ok |
| 17:55.22 | czr | I doubt alan cox has the time to support everything |
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| 17:55.26 | blackeagle01 | hi... what does "archive is too short" means for dpkg? |
| 17:55.34 | jsn | ok, that was fine |
| 17:55.38 | jsn | thanks again, folks |
| 17:55.40 | stouset | czr: I swear that man can diddle his tongue along the PCI connector and know how the damn thing works. |
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| 17:55.45 | czr | blackeagle01, interrupted transfer of file |
| 17:55.53 | czr | blackeagle01, or currupted start of file |
| 17:56.03 | lucox | stouset: u mean through acpi automatically or ? |
| 17:56.17 | jbroome | !u |
| 17:56.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:56.18 | blackeagle01 | czr: it's strange... the file seems to be OK and it is on my HD... |
| 17:56.32 | czr | stouset, that has nothing to do with the fact that it's just impossible to fix all the bread-dead hardware that exists in the word, less write working drivers for all of that :-) |
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| 17:57.11 | stouset | lucox: Can't tell you for certain. Never done it, except with a Dell. In which case just get i8kutils. |
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| 17:57.58 | mhall | maxxle: please also install the following package manpages-posix-dev |
| 17:58.19 | mhall | maxxle: this will give you full POSIX manual pages; note it's in non free so you have to have sources.list set up properly |
| 17:58.30 | mhall | maxxle: and then you can read man mq_open to get the full specs of the call |
| 17:58.41 | maxxle | hall: I see - there is more to do to get the msgQ to work. |
| 17:59.07 | maxxle | hall: Can you explain what this means? "/dev/mqueue and you must create that directory and mount the mqueue filesystem there as well." How can I mount the mqueue Filesystem there? |
| 17:59.15 | lucox | stouset: as first i go try p4-clockmod, then i tell result ... |
| 17:59.22 | mhall | maxxle: yeah i'm not quite sure about that either |
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| 17:59.50 | frozsyn | hello world |
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| 17:59.58 | Kraig | hahaha |
| 18:00.00 | maxxle | hall: never heard about that. |
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| 18:00.11 | stouset | lucox: Having the module itself doesn't do much. You'll also need to set up a userspace tool like cpufreqd to manage the frequency scaling. |
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| 18:00.59 | mhall | maxxle: i'm trying to find an fstab entry that works |
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| 18:01.12 | maxxle | hall: ok. Thank you. |
| 18:01.25 | faber2 | is there a program which tells me what other modules one specific module depends on? |
| 18:01.51 | PerfDave | faber2: lsmod? |
| 18:02.19 | g23 | I can't get saslauthd to work with cyrus21 |
| 18:02.44 | g23 | I am using sarge |
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| 18:03.00 | cahoot_ | faber2: modinfo does that |
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| 18:03.01 | faber2 | PerfDave: its an unloaded module |
| 18:03.58 | frozsyn | I'm triying to install debian on a IBM Thinkpad X31. The problem is that partman doesn't see that there is partitions on my hard drive. I know that the problem is specific the my laptop/chipset/something like that but i don't know which option to pass to the kernel the solve the problem. Can someone help me ? |
| 18:04.00 | faber2 | cahoot_: would modinfo tell me about dependant modules? |
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| 18:05.33 | sparr_ | whats the terminology for scanners that scan at an angle, or dont? |
| 18:05.45 | cahoot_ | faber2: sure looks so to me |
| 18:06.19 | mhall | maxxle: alright i think i figured it out |
| 18:06.25 | mhall | maxxle: /proc/sys/fs/mqueue is used to do it |
| 18:06.38 | mhall | maxxle: i think the seperate fs was used before it was fully developed |
| 18:06.58 | mhall | maxxle: i had to fgrep -ir the kernel source code |
| 18:07.01 | faber2 | cahoot_: are you using it on a file or a name? |
| 18:07.02 | stouset | frozsyn: have you tried Googling? |
| 18:07.15 | stouset | frozsyn: Seems like that would be the kind of thing prone to finding there :) |
| 18:07.16 | maxxle | mhall: Looks like this is not used very often. |
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| 18:07.34 | cahoot_ | faber2: like this /sbin/modinfo snd-pcm-oss - look at the man page |
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| 18:07.54 | stouset | maxxle: Seems like that might be a decent indication that mqueue might not be the best solution to your underlying problem? |
| 18:07.55 | faber2 | is anyone running on 2.6 with an LSI RAID controller and can dump me his "lsmod" ? |
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| 18:08.07 | mhall | fuck fuck fuck a duck and screw a kangaroo |
| 18:08.07 | olczyk | I'm configuring a network card. Everytime I try to ping another computer on my LAN I get: senmsg: Operation not permited |
| 18:08.18 | grout_ | sudo |
| 18:08.20 | mhall | maxxle: probably because many people use threads on linux to pass around data between tasks |
| 18:08.27 | stouset | mhall: Please. Use the more appropriate f*ck f*ck f*ck a d*ck and s*rew a k*ngaroo. |
| 18:08.43 | stouset | mhall: or sockets. |
| 18:08.45 | HPS`Fresh | olczyk operation not permited %) you shoud be root |
| 18:08.46 | mike_sol | faber2: i have a dell here with a PERC2, which is LSI if i remember right |
| 18:08.47 | mhall | maxxle: i like message queues as well |
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| 18:08.59 | olczyk | I am root. |
| 18:09.06 | faber2 | if lsmod shows modules in [ brackets ], what exactly does it mean? |
| 18:09.06 | mike_sol | hear him roar! |
| 18:09.07 | mhall | maxxle: because i worked in the telecom industry and we used them to send data between different systems |
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| 18:09.14 | faber2 | mike_sol: on 2.6 ? |
| 18:09.16 | stouset | olczyk: Well aren't you risky. |
| 18:09.19 | mike_sol | faber2: yes |
| 18:09.20 | sparr_ | no, I am root. |
| 18:09.25 | sparr_ | I AM rooticus. |
| 18:09.29 | stouset | I am Sparticus. |
| 18:09.36 | mike_sol | stella! |
| 18:09.38 | maxxle | stouset: the application should be written posix-compatible and should run first in vxWorks ;) - But I want to write/test it using Linux simultaniously |
| 18:09.51 | faber2 | mike_sol: does "lsmod | grep mega" shows something? |
| 18:10.10 | mike_sol | faber2: i compiled the driver into the kernel (megaraid) as i need the array for booting |
| 18:10.12 | stouset | maxxle: Are sockets or pthreads not POSIX-compatible? :\ |
| 18:10.16 | mhall | maxxle: yeah even though it's POSIX you have to read the SPECS exactly to get it to work |
| 18:10.21 | mike_sol | and i am not an initrd kinda guy |
| 18:10.26 | mhall | stouset: dude message queues are a good architecture |
| 18:10.27 | stouset | mike_sol: You shouldn't need to. That's what initrd is for. |
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| 18:10.31 | mhall | stouset: give him a break ;-) |
| 18:10.31 | mike_sol | ^^^ |
| 18:10.37 | faber2 | mike_sol: mmhhh... i try to compile it in but the driver megaraid_mbox has only the "M" option ??? |
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| 18:10.57 | mhall | faber2: it depends on something that's M probably |
| 18:10.57 | stouset | mhall: Not saying they're not, just that if it's not something that gets used a lot as part of the kernel, it may end up being buggy/unmaintained. |
| 18:11.01 | maxxle | stouset: Messagequeues provide me a solution for process-syncronisation out of the box. |
| 18:11.06 | mike_sol | faber2, i'm not allowed to give kernel advice in here anymore because i don't use kpkg :D but probably youve got SCSI as M |
| 18:11.11 | mhall | stouset: no it's in glibc and it's ok to use it |
| 18:11.16 | mhall | stouset: it's maintained it's just new |
| 18:11.30 | stouset | mhall: Ok :) He said something about "it's apparently not used very often". |
| 18:11.41 | mhall | stouset: they didn't have it all finished until 2.6 and because it's an rt feature not many people have used it |
| 18:11.49 | stouset | Neat. |
| 18:11.49 | mhall | stouset: just like when pthreads came out |
| 18:11.50 | faber2 | mike_sol: you are right! |
| 18:12.03 | mhall | stouset: not many people used it at first cause they were stuck on fork |
| 18:12.09 | mhall | stouset: fork that |
| 18:12.14 | stouset | mhall: fork you. |
| 18:12.17 | mhall | stouset: ;-) i bet kingsley would agree |
| 18:12.26 | albo | why doesnt x.y.mydomain.com resolve? |
| 18:12.27 | faber2 | mike_sol: well i solved the problems with the stock kernel while producing the ramdisk. problem is, they renamed the driver between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 18:12.33 | mhall | stouset: probably the only appropriate comments i made all morning |
| 18:12.36 | stouset | albo: because it doesn't exist? |
| 18:12.37 | mhall | but anyways i have to go now |
| 18:12.43 | frozsyn | stouset: yes, i don't stop goole about it |
| 18:12.49 | maxxle | mhall: thanks for your help. bye |
| 18:12.55 | stouset | mhall: Don't die. |
| 18:13.02 | albo | stouset: is there a way to set all x in the above example to resolve there |
| 18:13.06 | stouset | mhall: And if you do, good luck with that whole bribery/extortion thing. |
| 18:13.13 | stouset | albo: Aye. |
| 18:13.23 | albo | stouset: how |
| 18:13.38 | mhall | maxxle: yeah i hope i've at least got you started |
| 18:13.46 | mhall | maxxle: if anything else fucks up e-mail my ass |
| 18:13.53 | maxxle | mhall: I think I have an idea of what's going wrong |
| 18:14.02 | mhall | maxxle: what's the matter with it |
| 18:14.08 | mhall | maxxle: missing flags in the open call? |
| 18:14.37 | maxxle | mhall: No /dev/mqueue, and the Flags are missing too. |
| 18:14.40 | stouset | albo: DNS wildcards. |
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| 18:14.58 | stouset | albo: *.yourdomain.com. 14400 IN A xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 18:15.29 | mhall | maxxle: but didn't you see |
| 18:15.34 | mhall | maxxle: they moved dev mqueue |
| 18:15.37 | mhall | maxxle: to a proc fs |
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| 18:16.22 | mhall | maxxle: read 2.11 /proc/sys/fs/mqueue - POSIX message queues filesystem in Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt of kernel |
| 18:16.26 | maxxle | mhall: OK! I think I have to read the docs very carefull. I've seen the mquee in /proc |
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| 18:16.46 | mhall | maxxle: also make CONFIG_POSIX_MQUEUE is set in kernel |
| 18:16.54 | mhall | maxxle: perhaps check /proc/config.gz |
| 18:17.10 | maxxle | mhall: It's set! I've already double-checked. |
| 18:17.13 | mhall | maxxle: you might have to build a fresh 2.6.xx |
| 18:17.24 | mhall | maxxle: ah ok i just wanted to be sure i did not leave out obvious |
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| 18:17.31 | mhall | maxxle: and of course print out that POSIX manual page |
| 18:17.35 | mhall | and read all the rules and regs |
| 18:17.39 | faber2 | thx everybody, and good night |
| 18:17.44 | mhall | maxxle: also i have another link |
| 18:17.45 | lucox | stouset: p4-clockmod the same problem |
| 18:18.03 | lucox | stouset: from speedstep only speedstep-lib loaded |
| 18:18.12 | mhall | maxxle: pull this up on another virtual desktop next to your coding terminal |
| 18:18.14 | mhall | maxxle: http://www.unix.org/single_unix_specification/ |
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| 18:18.23 | mhall | maxxle: all of the specs are there in easy to read html format |
| 18:18.32 | mhall | maxxle: so that you can meditate on them when you write your apps |
| 18:19.08 | maxxle | mhall: Already bookmarked it. Think this will help. |
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| 18:20.16 | encompass | hi all |
| 18:20.31 | encompass | is there a way for me to search for SMB printers? |
| 18:20.38 | mhall | maxxle: yeah i SWEAR by that link when writing posix apps |
| 18:20.51 | mhall | maxxle: read it every day for 8 months straight while working as posix developer |
| 18:21.29 | maxxle | mhall: I tought it was a good idea to do it the posix way before starting. But now I run in troubles everywhere :) |
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| 18:21.55 | mhall | maxxle: it just takes some practice |
| 18:22.00 | mhall | maxxle: it will come out ok in the end |
| 18:22.07 | mhall | maxxle: the specs are just very picky |
| 18:22.19 | mhall | maxxle: but after a while you get used to their methodology and it's ok |
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| 18:22.24 | lucox | any other advices ? : intel pentium m 725 : cpu frequency scaling |
| 18:22.46 | encompass | is there a way I can find the path of the smb printer I want to use? |
| 18:22.57 | mhall | maxxle: and if you get very pissed off and want to rant |
| 18:23.08 | mhall | maxxle: go over to #debian-offtopic and give us all a good laugh |
| 18:23.19 | maxxle | mhall: I hope it get's clearer. But if the msq are up and running this is a good start. |
| 18:23.50 | encompass | lucox: have you tried tuxmobile? you have a newer chip you may need to recompile the kernel to get all the acpi features you want |
| 18:24.10 | bassMonk1y | ok, this was a first for me, browsed a howto with links and pressed the Pause-key accidentally and links went *poof "[1]+ Stopped links"... |
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| 18:24.20 | frozsyn | encompass: i think there is a -L option to list all shares of a computer |
| 18:24.21 | bassMonk1y | how do I get it back |
| 18:24.36 | bassMonk1y | ? |
| 18:24.38 | mhall | bassMonk1y: fg %1 |
| 18:24.48 | maxxle | mhall: Have to leave now. Need something to eat first then I start figuring it out. |
| 18:25.02 | mhall | maxxle: good luck; e-mail me if you need some more ideas ok |
| 18:25.07 | lucox | encompass: i have 2.6.13.4 all the needed options checked |
| 18:25.11 | mhall | maxxle: i'm off to econ-- late cause it sux |
| 18:25.13 | bassMonk1y | mhall: ok, thanks... =) |
| 18:25.14 | frozsyn | encompass: something like "sbmclient -L //ip-address-or-name" |
| 18:25.15 | maxxle | mhall: ok! Thanks |
| 18:25.23 | saik0 | !xorg sarge |
| 18:25.23 | dpkg | xorg sarge is probably [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 18:25.27 | mhall | bassMonk1y: np man |
| 18:25.27 | saik0 | is dpkg out to lunch? |
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| 18:25.33 | mhall | bassMonk1y: btw |
| 18:25.36 | remedy | hey all, it's not really a problem but when im in X and wish to go to a console term it takes from aslong as 5 to ten seconds to get to the console, im using xfree's nvidia driver rather than nvidias binary could this be the prob or is it likely to be something else? |
| 18:25.42 | mhall | bassMonk1y: if you want to learn more about job control |
| 18:25.50 | mhall | bassMonk1y: you can google the term shell job control |
| 18:25.58 | mhall | bassMonk1y: and they'll explain how that feature works |
| 18:26.11 | mhall | bassMonk1y: it was invented so people on terminals in old unix could run several programs at a time |
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| 18:26.20 | mhall | bassMonk1y: ^Z stops an app |
| 18:26.39 | encompass | remedy: I would make sure that your console and X are the smae resolution... it helped me |
| 18:26.40 | mhall | bassMonk1y: then fg and bg let you restart it in foreground or background |
| 18:26.46 | bassMonk1y | mhall: ok, I'll do that... I use screen already but never hurts to learn something new |
| 18:26.58 | mhall | bassMonk1y: and if it's in background you can fg it into foreground |
| 18:27.04 | mhall | bassMonk1y: well you see this feature is on all unixes |
| 18:27.04 | bassMonk1y | mhall: thanks again |
| 18:27.10 | mhall | bassMonk1y: even when screen is not available |
| 18:27.11 | remedy | encompass: i use svgatext to change my console resolution because it was waaaaaaay to huge |
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| 18:27.24 | mhall | bassMonk1y: also the jobs command gives you the list of jobs running |
| 18:27.38 | mhall | bassMonk1y: and %1 %2 and so on are the numbers from the job command |
| 18:27.40 | Ockie | hey |
| 18:27.54 | encompass | remedy: not sure what that is... but I just set the console detail in my kernel options when I boot |
| 18:28.14 | Ockie | does anyone know what to do when, installing debian (i386) ona new hard disk it hangs up? |
| 18:28.36 | Ockie | its saying something about loading module (blablabla) ATA... i only have a S-ATA hard disk -_- |
| 18:28.37 | encompass | Ockie: that could be a thousand things... what is the last message it gives? |
| 18:28.50 | encompass | hmm |
| 18:29.02 | encompass | don't know sata at all |
| 18:29.06 | encompass | sorry I can't help you there |
| 18:29.13 | remedy | encompass: yea, i dont have any decent mode options so my console looks rubbish.. so i changed the resolution using svgatext to one that is nice |
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| 18:29.23 | Ockie | dang |
| 18:29.26 | Ockie | to bad :( |
| 18:29.29 | Ockie | anyone else know? |
| 18:29.34 | marstewel | know what ? |
| 18:30.03 | Ockie | im trying to install debian on a new hard disk, it hung up saying something about loading module (blablabla) ATA... i only have a S-ATA hard disk -_- |
| 18:30.14 | marstewel | which controller ? |
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| 18:30.21 | Ockie | i386 |
| 18:30.24 | asg | Ockie: are you using linux26 at the boot: prompt? |
| 18:30.26 | marstewel | SATA controller |
| 18:30.28 | HPS`Fresh | i have make hdparm -Y /dev/hdd how can i wake it up now? |
| 18:30.44 | HPS`Fresh | without reboot |
| 18:30.48 | Ockie | i just did the "PRESS ENTER TO BOOT" thingy :o |
| 18:31.12 | asg | Ockie: try using the 2.6 install kernel (type linux26). Otherwise, try the urls in the sata factoid (/msg dpkg sata) |
| 18:31.20 | PerfDave | Ockie: Did you read the Installation Manual, or the help given on the screen when you boot the installer? |
| 18:31.37 | marstewel | dpkg: you are a dork |
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| 18:31.37 | dpkg | marstewel: what are you talking about? |
| 18:31.38 | marstewel | :P |
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| 18:32.05 | Ockie | ok, im going back to my comp. to try that out... thanks for the tips & ttyl |
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| 18:34.30 | pseubodot | I'm trying to diagnose a problem on a Debian box (i686, 2.6.8-1-386) running Testing, with Apache2. Recently, it appears that curl can no longer get info via ssl. I used a simple script which works on http pages, no problem. Have it talk to https pages, I see segfaults in my apache2 logs. |
| 18:34.39 | TheCount | ... 2B OR (NOT 2B) ... |
| 18:35.00 | asg | TheCount: 2TB, however, I'd go for |
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| 18:35.20 | TheCount | asg: nonsense. the answer is FF. |
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| 18:35.30 | pseubodot | If I look at the start up banner, Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.4.0-4 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7g configured, but OpenSSL 0.9.8a-3 is installed apparently |
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| 18:35.41 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 18:35.45 | asg | TheCount: 0xFF |
| 18:35.54 | balzac | what's a good channel to ask about multimedia codecs and players? |
| 18:35.55 | solemnwarning | can i apt-get remove arts without it removing kde or anything else? |
| 18:36.01 | solemnwarning | i have alsa installed |
| 18:36.04 | asg | balzac: #mplayer |
| 18:36.09 | balzac | thanks |
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| 18:36.39 | TheCount | asg: okok .. |
| 18:36.55 | TheCount | asg: btw .. df -h . = 3.7T ;) |
| 18:37.06 | asg | pseubodot: make sure you have a libcurl that was compiled with ssl/tls support |
| 18:37.12 | asg | TheCount: nice :) |
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| 18:37.44 | TheCount | asg: definitely. but highly fluctuating from day to day |
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| 18:39.05 | pseubodot | asg: I'm using the packaged version of libcurl3, which appears to have it. |
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| 18:39.15 | asg | pseubodot: libcurl3-gnutls? |
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| 18:40.03 | pseubodot | asg: that's installed too now, |
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| 18:40.23 | pseubodot | asg: and after restarting apache2, I can still crash the curl process |
| 18:40.32 | Ockie | back |
| 18:40.33 | asg | pseubodot: anything in the apache error logs? |
| 18:40.36 | Ockie | fixed the SATA thingy |
| 18:40.39 | Ockie | now another thing :( |
| 18:40.54 | pseubodot | asg: just a one-line segfault notice |
| 18:41.12 | asg | pseubodot: hmmm, have you tried it with apache 1.3? |
| 18:41.22 | Ockie | it says it doesnt have a Ethernet card -_- but i DO have one... the build-in one from the mobo (K8N Diamond) |
| 18:41.22 | Loevborg | I'm having some misconception cocerning "top": it shows >20 java (tomcat) processes that each consume the exact same amount of memory. So I assume it's all the same process; is there a way to combine (sum up) the numbers for forking daemons like that? |
| 18:41.41 | pseubodot | asg: not on that machine, it |
| 18:41.48 | pseubodot | asg: is still in production atm |
| 18:42.22 | Ockie | it says it doesnt have a Ethernet card -_- but i DO have one... the build-in one from the mobo (K8N Diamond) how can I know which driver i need ? |
| 18:42.26 | asg | pseubodot: which apache2 mpm are you using? |
| 18:42.50 | asg | Ockie: google linux k8n diamond ether (see if that gives any output) |
| 18:43.08 | valdyn_ | solemnwarning: no you cant |
| 18:43.09 | grout_ | can someone give me a good repository |
| 18:43.13 | Ockie | thanks asg |
| 18:43.17 | Ockie | gonna try it ;) |
| 18:43.20 | pseubodot | asg: apache2-mpm-prefork is installed |
| 18:44.09 | TheCount | see you later ;) |
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| 18:44.29 | asg | pseubodot: what Debian version are you running? |
| 18:44.41 | Ockie | asg: cant find anythin :( |
| 18:44.46 | pseubodot | asg: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 18:45.10 | asg | pseubodot: hmmm, you might consult the bts (/msg dpkg bts) and see if anyone has reported issues with libapache2-php4 or libcurl3-gnutls |
| 18:45.27 | pseubodot | asg: I have a web page up now, will check on it. thanks for the pointer. |
| 18:45.42 | asg | Ockie: okay, look at the output of lspci -v (look at the part for your ethernet card and paste the chipset line) |
| 18:46.12 | Ockie | ok, ill have a look (going back to my room to check) thanks for the tip :-) |
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| 18:46.48 | pseubodot | asg: nothing presently on either, it seems. |
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| 18:47.32 | dfinn | i have a laptop that's dual booting etch and win2k. the win2k side is all f'ed up and needs to be re-installed. i don't want to loose my debian install though. when I install windows it's going to over write the mbr. i'm using grub. how can I get my grub boot loader back once I reinstall windows? |
| 18:47.37 | asg | pseubodot: hmmm, you might use reportbug to file a bug. Also, try setting php4's error messges to full debugging, if they aren't already. |
| 18:47.56 | asg | dfinn: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 18:48.06 | pseubodot | asg: I will try setting full error messages |
| 18:48.18 | asg | pseubodot: might not help but it's worth a shot before reporting a bug. |
| 18:48.37 | dfinn | asg: thanks, sounds pretty straight forward |
| 18:48.43 | asg | dfinn: you're welcome |
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| 18:49.50 | IRCMonkey_ | Can anyone tell me how to install and configure my Intel 915GM driver |
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| 18:50.05 | dfinn | asg: will it matter that I have a seperate /boot partition? |
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| 18:50.10 | WoodyWoodpecker | How can I see my own ssh fingerprint ? |
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| 18:50.23 | slibs | hi |
| 18:50.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | IRCMonkey_: You mean compiling a kernel ? |
| 18:50.37 | slibs | i installed debian to old laptop i bought |
| 18:50.47 | slibs | the problem is that i can't get network working |
| 18:50.54 | zimnyx | i have some servers installed, but want to disable them for some time. i know sshd has option sshd_not_need_to_be_started (or something like that), are there similar options for apache, mysql? |
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| 18:51.00 | mike_sol | slibs, do you know what kind of network card you have? is it detected? |
| 18:51.00 | IRCMonkey_ | I am willing to try anything. My graphics currently is okay. But I want to get the driver working. |
| 18:51.03 | slibs | can you guide me with networking using pcmcia cards |
| 18:51.03 | WoodyWoodpecker | IRCMonk: Shouldn`t be hard once you know what your are doing |
| 18:51.09 | slibs | mike_sol: yes |
| 18:51.16 | mike_sol | slibs: yes to both? |
| 18:51.24 | slibs | mike_sol: yeah |
| 18:51.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | How can I see my own ssh fingerprint ? |
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| 18:51.34 | slibs | but it wont show up in ifconfig |
| 18:51.39 | slibs | as eth0 |
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| 18:51.46 | mike_sol | slibs: are you using DHCP? |
| 18:51.46 | jbroome | WoodyWoodpecker: ask one more time, third time is the charm |
| 18:51.48 | WoodyWoodpecker | slibs: I never used pcmcia |
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| 18:51.53 | slibs | mike_sol: yes |
| 18:52.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^I get frequent error messages |
| 18:52.18 | slibs | is there a "wizard" to configure network? |
| 18:52.23 | mike_sol | slibs: try 'dhclient eth0' or if you don't have that, 'pump eth0' |
| 18:52.28 | mike_sol | see if that works |
| 18:52.44 | mike_sol | with debian, you become the wizard! yay |
| 18:52.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | slibs: Just use ifconfig |
| 18:53.11 | slibs | mike_sol: dhclient did the trick |
| 18:53.16 | stew | slibs: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 18:53.22 | mike_sol | slibs, okay, now do what stew said |
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| 18:53.27 | mike_sol | you want to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:53.28 | slibs | okay |
| 18:53.31 | slibs | thanks |
| 18:53.35 | mike_sol | and put 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 18:53.39 | mike_sol | that oughta do it |
| 18:53.40 | pseubodot | asg: I turned on verbose messaging in php, dumping to syslog, and nothing about the test page I wrote comes up .... just the segfault. |
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| 18:54.31 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: ssh-keygen will show you the fingerprint of an existing key |
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| 18:55.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: Thanks |
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| 18:55.39 | pseubodot | asg: I'm almost wondering if it would be worth recompiling apache2-common, since apache2 is returning that 'OpenSSL/0.9.7g', where OpenSSL is 0.9.8a-3 |
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| 18:56.35 | stew | pseubodot: what version of apache2-common do you have installed? |
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| 18:58.01 | pseubodot | stew: 2.0.54-5 |
| 18:58.01 | pandora_ | Hi, what is the architecture of a Compaq ML 370 ( it isn't the i386), can't find it out :-( |
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| 18:58.24 | pseubodot | stew: the syslog banner shows [notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 18:58.34 | mike_sol | pandora_, a proliant ml370? |
| 18:58.38 | valdyn_ | pandora_: why do you think it isnt i386? |
| 18:58.41 | stew | pseubodot: i386 |
| 18:58.43 | stew | err |
| 18:58.45 | stew | pandora_: ^^^ |
| 18:58.45 | mike_sol | pandora_, that'a a Xeon |
| 18:58.47 | pandora_ | hmmm |
| 18:58.57 | pseubodot | stew: (actually, the full banner reads:[notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.4.0-4 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7g configured -- resuming normal operations) |
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| 18:58.59 | pandora_ | From the beginning: *g* |
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| 18:59.14 | mike_sol | from the looks of it it's a pretty bitchen server |
| 18:59.21 | stew | pseubodot: yeah it looks like they newer apache2 in unstable is held up becuase of an rc bug |
| 18:59.39 | pseubodot | stew: oh? |
| 18:59.39 | deadcat | someone do ls -l / see if tmp looks weird or not. enable color please |
| 18:59.41 | pandora_ | I downloaded the netinstaller-cd (i386) but while i was installing, an error tells me, that the kernel is defect |
| 18:59.56 | pandora_ | told me :-) |
| 18:59.56 | valdyn_ | deadcat: in sid, yes |
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| 19:00.02 | deadcat | valdyn_: what happened? |
| 19:00.04 | mike_sol | pandora_, is there any more descriptive error than that? |
| 19:00.10 | mike_sol | it could be a bad CD for all we know |
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| 19:00.27 | valdyn_ | deadcat: obviously some highlighting rule changed, i dont know what or why |
| 19:00.29 | pandora_ | oh, i checked MD5 every time, and burned it 3 times |
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| 19:00.49 | mike_sol | pandora_, what's the exact error text |
| 19:01.01 | deadcat | valdyn_: i am gonna kill the mother fucker who decided to add freakin background to sticky dirs |
| 19:01.07 | pandora_ | when i am at the beginning of the installation-menue of debian.... i can choose between different kernels.... |
| 19:01.09 | lucox | stouset: http://www.lucox.nfo.sk/share/config.txt & http://www.lucox.nfo.sk/share/lsmod.txt |
| 19:01.33 | pandora_ | but in every case it told me, that the kernel is defekt |
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| 19:01.44 | pseubodot | stew: yeah, unstable has apache2-common at [notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.4.0-4 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7g configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 19:01.54 | pseubodot | stew: sorry, bad paste. |
| 19:02.03 | pseubodot | stew: 2.0.55-3 |
| 19:02.10 | mike_sol | pandora_, does it boot at all, or is it like one line after the boot: prompt |
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| 19:02.34 | slibs | is it easy to change lilo to grub? |
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| 19:03.19 | mike_sol | slibs, it's not terribly difficult |
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| 19:03.28 | mike_sol | but i wouldn't bother unless you NEED it |
| 19:03.58 | mike_sol | it's a million times more powerful, but if lilo works, don't fix it |
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| 19:04.07 | pandora_ | mike_sol: i don't know, what u are meaning.... after I started the PC with the CD inserted, a menue shows some options....:standart installation, help, ...' (I think) and after I'd chosen the kernel, the message flashed |
| 19:04.11 | slibs | well is there another easy way to change unix resolution than adding vga=792 in boot options? and can i do it with lilo? |
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| 19:04.45 | mike_sol | pandora_, that sounds suspiciously like bad media. if you don't get a whole pile of gray text zooming up the screen, the kernel itself isn't even booting. |
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| 19:05.00 | mike_sol | slibs, you mean resolution at the command line? |
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| 19:05.09 | mike_sol | or for framebuffer |
| 19:05.15 | pandora_ | hmm...ok I'll download it again... but i have to download the i86-version right? |
| 19:05.27 | mike_sol | pandora_, yes. xeons are just glorified pentiums with lots of cache |
| 19:05.28 | slibs | mike_sol: yeah |
| 19:05.39 | pandora_ | :-) have a lot of thanks |
| 19:05.40 | mike_sol | pandora_, try a different burner, and make sure the drive is clean on your machine |
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| 19:05.47 | slibs | mike_sol: isnt frambuffer and "commandline resolution" the same thing? |
| 19:05.49 | pandora_ | aye, merci :-) |
| 19:06.15 | mike_sol | slibs, not necessarily, as you can use VGA text modes... but you are probably using framebuffer |
| 19:06.17 | hayel_3 | slm |
| 19:06.20 | hayel_3 | millet |
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| 19:06.26 | mike_sol | slibs, you can set those modes with lilo. |
| 19:06.38 | slibs | mike_sol: where do i configure lilo? |
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| 19:06.53 | dob1 | if i have an ntp server installed it will keep the clock updated ? because i found a pc with ntp server installed and the time was not correct |
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| 19:07.06 | Sterling | how much 64 bit development is going on for debian? |
| 19:07.18 | mike_sol | i can't remmeber exactly, but it should just be a vga= line in lilo.conf, and the lines are in the kernel documentation under Documentation/fbdev/vesafb.txt or something like that |
| 19:07.49 | mike_sol | dob1, you probably have to configure it to find a higher-stratum external source for time, such as pool.ntp.org |
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| 19:08.18 | slibs | mike_sol: yeah but can you tell me where the lilo.conf is? |
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| 19:08.23 | mike_sol | slibs, /etc |
| 19:08.49 | slibs | thanks |
| 19:08.55 | mike_sol | np |
| 19:09.13 | dondieschotte | hi |
| 19:09.25 | dondieschotte | is there any git package for debian ż |
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| 19:09.33 | dondieschotte | not the file browser |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | !info git |
| 19:09.43 | abrotman | !find git |
| 19:09.45 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'git' (6): cogito ;; digitaldj ;; digitemp ;; git ;; gitweb ;; jigit. |
| 19:09.46 | dpkg | git: (GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.3.20-7 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 919 kB |
| 19:09.47 | dob1 | mike_sol, on ntp.conf i have "server pool.ntp.org" but it is not a time problem, the time was correct but 1 hour different and but /etc/timezone is correct |
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| 19:10.07 | dondieschotte | i mean |
| 19:10.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: you have 3 guitars? |
| 19:10.14 | BlackJudas` | Errr... http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list <--- see any problems with that? |
| 19:10.15 | dondieschotte | this git: http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/WhatIsGit |
| 19:10.20 | g23 | I am trying to get cyrus21 to use saslauthd and pam_pgsql currently I am getting a failed login. syslog has the following entry |
| 19:10.20 | g23 | Nov 15 18:07:50 bergen cyrus/imapd[12099]: accepted connection |
| 19:10.20 | g23 | Nov 15 18:07:53 bergen cyrus/imapd[12099]: badlogin: localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] plaintext cyrus SASL(-1): generic failure: checkpass failed |
| 19:10.20 | g23 | Nov 15 18:07:50 bergen cyrus/imapd[12099]: can't access srvtab file /etc/srvtab: No such file or directory |
| 19:10.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
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| 19:10.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: got photos of them, and when did you play something last? |
| 19:10.33 | mike_sol | dob1, not sure. could be daylight savings ;-) i use the 'ntpdate' pkg myself and its given me no problems, but im not super skilled with NTP |
| 19:10.46 | abrotman | dondieschotte: cogito .. i think |
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| 19:10.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: last night |
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| 19:10.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:10.52 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 19:10.55 | dondieschotte | hm |
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| 19:10.58 | dondieschotte | i'll try |
| 19:11.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have no photos though .. but i can tell you what they are |
| 19:11.00 | BlackJudas` | Errr... http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list <--- see any problems with that? |
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| 19:11.24 | dondieschotte | nothing found |
| 19:11.37 | abrotman | dondieschotte: which version of debian ? |
| 19:11.42 | dondieschotte | sarge |
| 19:11.44 | dondieschotte | mips |
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| 19:11.48 | dob1 | mike_sol, it's ok i am only asking, it's strange that it don't care about the timezone, or maybe it will not change the time when there was the time changing week ago |
| 19:11.48 | hayel_3 | slm millet |
| 19:11.51 | abrotman | !find git sarge |
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| 19:12.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'git' (7 of 42): (/usr/bin/jigit) in utils/jigit ;; (/usr/bin/sgitopnm) in graphics/netpbm ;; (/usr/lib/gpsman/langit.tcl) in misc/gpsman ;; (/usr/lib/menu/digitaldj) in sound/digitaldj ;; (/usr/bin/ggiteleserver) in libs/libggi-samples ;; (/usr/include/ecgitk.h) in libdevel/libecgi-dev ;; (/usr/bin/djvudigital) in graphics/djvulibre-bin. |
| 19:12.31 | g23 | can anyone help me |
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| 19:13.10 | cahoot_ | dob1: using UTC or localtime? |
| 19:13.15 | mike_sol | g23, not sure. when i was working on cyrus months ago, i found it useful to configure sql logging (not sure how for PG, i use Mysql) |
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| 19:13.23 | dumezil-school | ive got a live cd (of floppyfw) and was wondering if anyone could give some pointers as to how to copy it to a hard drive... the floppyfw explaination is using dos as the initial boot, but i'd like to just boot straight into linux using syslinux |
| 19:13.24 | mike_sol | and make sure the queries are all right |
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| 19:13.43 | dumezil-school | g23 don't ask if you can ask for help, just ask your question |
| 19:13.49 | dob1 | cahoot_, don't know, i have only set the timezone where can i see that? |
| 19:14.12 | cahoot_ | dob1: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 19:14.32 | mike_sol | dumezil-school, he asked before you /joined |
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| 19:14.49 | dob1 | cahoot_, UTC is set to no |
| 19:14.49 | dumezil-school | g23: sorry then... i'll try to help if you ask again |
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| 19:15.27 | dondieschotte | why is my apt package list not up to date |
| 19:15.38 | g23 | I do have postgres set to log and it is showing that the user mail is able to log into the mail db |
| 19:15.54 | stew | dondieschotte: which list do you mean? have you run apt-get update? |
| 19:16.05 | dondieschotte | i've done |
| 19:16.05 | mike_sol | g23, how about the queries to select users, and authenticate? are they well formed? |
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| 19:16.14 | stew | dondieschotte: what makes you say it's out of date? |
| 19:16.27 | dondieschotte | cognito isn't in |
| 19:16.34 | dondieschotte | obenssl-client isn't in |
| 19:16.37 | dondieschotte | open |
| 19:16.41 | grumbly | hello. |
| 19:16.47 | dondieschotte | libssl isn't in |
| 19:16.48 | grumbly | Can someone help me with mail servers? I need some recomendations |
| 19:16.51 | stew | !+info cognito |
| 19:16.52 | dpkg | Package 'cognito' does not exist. |
| 19:17.04 | dondieschotte | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/cogito |
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| 19:17.09 | dondieschotte | cogito |
| 19:17.11 | mike_sol | grumbly, what level of usage? something basic for a small network or something huge |
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| 19:17.18 | grumbly | 3000 users |
| 19:17.24 | stew | dondieschotte: what version f debian are you running? |
| 19:17.29 | dondieschotte | 3.1 |
| 19:17.37 | dondieschotte | on a mipsel |
| 19:17.46 | dob1 | cahoot_, i think i found the problem, it's the hardware clock that is set 1 hour different |
| 19:17.47 | stew | dondieschotte: cogito is only in testing and unstable, not stable, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:17.48 | rafx | any recommendations for a tool that automatically creates chroot environments? for example, given pid & target chroot dir, it'll ldd & copy all required files to chroot |
| 19:17.52 | mike_sol | grumbly, asking in IRC for advice if you're in charge of 3000 users is funny. i'd go with postfix and courier-imap or something like that, but you're gonna want to find some benchmarks |
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| 19:18.05 | g23 | well I am using cyrus and cyradm to try to log in |
| 19:18.05 | g23 | auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_pgsql.so |
| 19:18.05 | g23 | # auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix_auth.so |
| 19:18.05 | g23 | account required /lib/security/pam_pgsql.so |
| 19:18.05 | g23 | # account sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix_auth.so |
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| 19:18.10 | dob1 | but i don't understand why ntpd don't change the date |
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| 19:18.30 | dondieschotte | why don't u use rdate? |
| 19:18.40 | cahoot_ | dob1: it won't start if the discrepancy is too great |
| 19:18.42 | mike_sol | dob1: sometimes NTP will not change the date if it's off by a sufficient margin |
| 19:18.50 | mike_sol | edit: fuck, beaten |
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| 19:19.44 | dumezil-school | why use ntp when you can just set the time manually?! |
| 19:19.59 | mike_sol | dumezil-school, clocks drift |
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| 19:20.21 | mike_sol | for things that are sensitive i.e. network filesystems, authentication - being off by a minute or five can screw things up |
| 19:20.25 | dumezil-school | lol i didn't know that! (i guess sarcasm is hard to detect when typing...) |
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| 19:20.41 | mike_sol | this is why the invented the :P |
| 19:20.50 | dob1 | dumezil-school, ok now i can use rdate and get the clock at the right time, but now i was sure that ntpd keeps the time correct and it was not, so just asking about this :) |
| 19:21.01 | grumbly | I'm not in charge. We've got a REALLY REALLY poorly designed system right now and the network admin is overwhelmed with it... I was going to attempt to do him a favor, but since I'm not horribly familiar with mail systems, I figured I'd ask for help |
| 19:21.25 | g23 | that is what is in pam.d/mail-auth |
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| 19:21.43 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 19:21.48 | stew | messia: please turn that off in here |
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| 19:21.51 | mike_sol | i didnt mean to insult ya grumbly :) |
| 19:21.51 | slibs | hmm |
| 19:21.52 | fevel | does hotplug mount pendrives? |
| 19:21.54 | grumbly | I know... |
| 19:22.02 | dumezil-school | dob1 so just set your time manually (or however) the first time to an ntp server (ie look it up on the web) then run ntp and it all should work |
| 19:22.12 | grumbly | but I do understand it sounds kinda weak askin in irc if I was actually in charge of the system |
| 19:22.13 | messia | stew ok sorry excuse me |
| 19:22.15 | slibs | seems like debian didn't install x and gnome even i selected them |
| 19:22.15 | dumezil-school | fevel if youve got it configured correctly... |
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| 19:22.30 | fevel | dumezil-school: where is the conf file?? |
| 19:22.31 | mike_sol | postfix and courier imap did well by me, grumbly. you can use mysql for authentication and have a bunch of users. |
| 19:22.38 | g23 | pam_pgsql.conf has |
| 19:22.39 | g23 | database = mail |
| 19:22.39 | g23 | host = 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:22.39 | g23 | user = mail |
| 19:22.39 | g23 | password = 14Christ |
| 19:22.39 | g23 | table = accountuser |
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| 19:22.47 | dob1 | dumezil-school, ok but the hwclock is +1, now every time there will be a reboot the system time will be set to hwclock or to the correct time? |
| 19:22.52 | mike_sol | time to haxor g23s database |
| 19:22.57 | grumbly | yeah... that's a good idea I wasn't sure of. |
| 19:22.57 | dumezil-school | you reall shouldn't put that out there g23... |
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| 19:23.05 | stew | !tell g23 about flood |
| 19:23.12 | cahoot_ | dob1: do you dual boot to win? |
| 19:23.23 | dumezil-school | dob1 as long as your timezone is set correctly, it should take that into account |
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| 19:23.33 | dob1 | cahoot_, there is only debian on thiis pc |
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| 19:23.55 | grumbly | So, as for smtp, I was going to go with sendmail, but I think that's a bad idea |
| 19:24.03 | cahoot_ | dob1: set the time and then run hwclock --systohc |
| 19:24.08 | dumezil-school | dob1: on set your hw clock to utc and set your timezone correctly. that'l take care of it |
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| 19:24.14 | fevel | i get an error when trying to mount pendrive... |
| 19:24.20 | fevel | ReAn:/home/fevel# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdevice/ |
| 19:24.20 | fevel | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 19:24.20 | fevel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.21 | fevel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.30 | dumezil-school | dob1 or do what cahoot_ said |
| 19:24.33 | mike_sol | grumbly, im looking through my old docs to see if i can find you my thing about setting up postfix and courier imap |
| 19:24.46 | dob1 | dumezil-school, yes i will try |
| 19:24.48 | dob1 | thanks |
| 19:24.52 | mike_sol | did you want to store mail on the server? or use somethign like pop3 and offload it grumbly |
| 19:24.54 | grumbly | mike_sol: Can courier pop as well? |
| 19:25.06 | grumbly | mike_sol: Both. |
| 19:25.20 | mike_sol | grumbly, i dont remmeber. you could use qpopper or something else probably. i think courier can though.... |
| 19:25.21 | grumbly | It needs to be Popable and webmail |
| 19:25.52 | grumbly | ok... lemme give some more specs on the current abilities |
| 19:25.53 | dumezil-school | yeah courier does have pop support iirc |
| 19:26.00 | mike_sol | imap is key for webmail as most things i.e. Horde require imap |
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| 19:26.12 | stew | grumbly: apt-get install courier-pop |
| 19:26.20 | stew | grumbly: it will only work with maildirs though, not mboxes |
| 19:26.22 | Lorvija | grumbly how about try to find/make urself own webmail script with php for example.. php can use pop protocol.. |
| 19:26.26 | grumbly | stew: Still in planning, not going to jump into it |
| 19:26.37 | stew | mike_sol: horde doesn't require imap |
| 19:26.48 | mike_sol | Lorvija, if he's supporting 3000 users you don't want to write your own webmail, why reinvent the wheel |
| 19:26.52 | mike_sol | stew: i stand corrected |
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| 19:27.05 | grumbly | Lorvija: If i wanted to do that, I would, but there's already better things than I can create in the ammount of time I'd feel comfortable with |
| 19:27.06 | Lorvija | mike_sol didn't read the whole thing (: just couple last lines |
| 19:27.08 | dumezil-school | anyone know how to take a live cd and copy it to a hard drive so the drive will then boot? |
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| 19:27.42 | grumbly | dumezil-school: Take a look at damnsmall linux |
| 19:27.48 | stew | dumezil-school: if you are trying to install debian that way, it is covered in the install guide |
| 19:27.52 | mike_sol | grumbly, i have a big document here i can send you that has a section on that |
| 19:28.03 | g23 | anyway I am not sure which is braking things... I was trying to follow a few howto's on web-cyradm.org |
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| 19:28.18 | grumbly | mike_sol: tiny.ian on gmail |
| 19:28.22 | dumezil-school | stew: not debian... floppyfw, but thought i'd ask in here cause afaik they don't have an irc channel |
| 19:28.23 | grumbly | shoot it to me |
| 19:28.25 | mike_sol | k. i hope you have abiword |
| 19:28.28 | gsnedders | how well/badly will Sarge run on a 120mhz/P1 with 64MB RAM? (As a command line only install) |
| 19:28.34 | grumbly | I got it on a shell, and at home. |
| 19:28.41 | dondieschotte | hm how can i add testing packages to my apt |
| 19:28.45 | stew | dumezil-school: try a mailing list |
| 19:28.48 | dondieschotte | an all depencies |
| 19:29.08 | stew | dondieschotte: you can't safely mix stable and testing, you would have to "upgrade" to testing |
| 19:29.18 | dondieschotte | how? |
| 19:29.29 | stew | dondieschotte: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 19:29.42 | grumbly | mike_sol: So here's our current setup. We've got a 3000 user mssql db. Our mail servers are BONED, like crack heads in harlem with no muggable bystanders./ |
| 19:29.57 | mike_sol | grumbly, you have mail |
| 19:30.18 | mike_sol | i have to do some work here now or ill have some 'splaining to do. but hopefully it helps :D |
| 19:30.19 | stew | !stable->testing is also keep in mind that you cannot downgrade from testing->stable after you upgrade |
| 19:30.41 | grumbly | they're quota, per usr, is 100 mb, because we get so much spam (and the beysian filter is bunk) the boxes fill up in a matter of days |
| 19:30.43 | stew | !test |
| 19:30.43 | dpkg | No, stew, you're not online any more. |
| 19:30.55 | soymilk | gsnedders: noone here thinks that's even worth replying to.. |
| 19:30.59 | g23 | sorry I have got to go... |
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| 19:31.08 | mike_sol | hey stew is there a good way to ask dpkg bot about all of its many macros and commands? or a good faq somewhere? |
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| 19:31.19 | gsnedders | soymilk: so very badly then? |
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| 19:31.36 | mike_sol | gsnedders, if you run light software it might be okay |
| 19:31.38 | blondie | gsnedders: should be ok |
| 19:31.39 | mike_sol | do you need X? |
| 19:31.41 | asg | mike_sol: /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> ; /msg dpkg listvals <bar> ; /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 19:31.53 | mike_sol | thanks asg |
| 19:32.00 | asg | you're welcome |
| 19:32.00 | mike_sol | so there's no documented faq though? |
| 19:32.12 | soymilk | gsnedders: the overriding question is, why spend any time on a piece of junk doorstop when you can probably find something 20X more powerful at a thrift store for $20? |
| 19:32.23 | asg | mike_sol: there is basic help in /msg dpkg help |
| 19:32.27 | mike_sol | cool |
| 19:32.36 | gsnedders | soymilk: because I've got it upstairs :P |
| 19:33.13 | stew | gsnedders: it will run find with command line only, or as a firewall/router/dnsserver, or as a low traffic mail/webserver |
| 19:33.42 | soymilk | gsnedders: even for light use, i wouldn't personally want to run anything slower than about a P3/700 with 256MB RAM |
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| 19:33.58 | slibs | what's the name of that package i need to run x? |
| 19:34.08 | blondie | there's just one? :P |
| 19:34.11 | asg | slibs: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 19:34.12 | soymilk | stew: you think with 64M ram it can handle that even? |
| 19:34.21 | slibs | i mean is there "one" which installs them all |
| 19:34.32 | stew | soymilk: yes |
| 19:34.37 | asg | slibs: the 'one' even comes in several flavors |
| 19:34.57 | slibs | i'd like to use xorg if possible |
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| 19:35.03 | xfan | ls |
| 19:35.11 | asg | slibs: what debian version are you running |
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| 19:35.25 | slibs | latest... sarge? |
| 19:35.36 | asg | slibs: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 19:35.38 | slibs | and 30r4 says my cd |
| 19:35.44 | asg | slibs: that's woody then |
| 19:35.53 | asg | slibs: /msg dpkg d-i (get sarge) |
| 19:35.55 | slibs | is there a command to check out |
| 19:36.04 | asg | slibs: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:36.29 | slibs | damn it tells only that it's 3.0 |
| 19:36.33 | dotrig | 3.1 |
| 19:36.35 | dotrig | here |
| 19:37.15 | stew | slibs: why do you want xorg? |
| 19:37.37 | slibs | that's only one i can use least a little |
| 19:37.48 | stew | slibs: why? |
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| 19:38.32 | slibs | because i have been using ubuntu since now |
| 19:38.33 | overlade | hi all |
| 19:38.43 | stew | slibs: what does that have to do with it? |
| 19:38.52 | slibs | ubuntu uses xorg |
| 19:39.01 | slibs | least i thought so |
| 19:39.08 | stew | slibs: what does that have to do with what server you run on debian? |
| 19:39.26 | slibs | ? |
| 19:39.42 | overlade | plzzzz i have a big problem , i have upgrade my sarge to sid , and now my xserver don't want to start ... , i have in my X11 , xorg and xfree86 hu ? |
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| 19:40.05 | xfan | if you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf its xorg |
| 19:40.13 | stew | if you have sid, its xorg |
| 19:40.20 | xfan | else its XFree86 |
| 19:40.29 | stew | there is no xfree86 in sid |
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| 19:40.37 | slibs | ubuntu uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:40.40 | overlade | ahh ... then i can delete him |
| 19:40.51 | stew | overlade: if you have xorg, you have already deleted xfree |
| 19:40.57 | overlade | how i do to reinstall X ? |
| 19:41.01 | slibs | delete him? that sound's scrary :D |
| 19:41.13 | stew | overlade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:41.19 | overlade | stew , i can see xorg and xfree86 with mc |
| 19:41.29 | overlade | stew , no , i try it |
| 19:41.37 | stew | overlade: the conf files might still be there but the packages are gone |
| 19:41.40 | overlade | slibs lol im a noob with english :) srry |
| 19:41.40 | eliteforce | hmm does somebody know what extension_dir in the php.ini has to be set to to use the extension mysql.so (php4-mysql)? |
| 19:41.46 | stew | overlade: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why the server isn't starting |
| 19:42.04 | slibs | overlade: im not the master of english either |
| 19:42.34 | overlade | stew , he says me : impossible to start x .... and he doesn't say anymore |
| 19:42.51 | slibs | hmm i'll have to continue tomorrow see ya |
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| 19:43.00 | overlade | + |
| 19:43.05 | stew | overlade: look for lines starting with EE: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:43.16 | stew | eliteforce: you don't need extension_dir at all |
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| 19:43.45 | overlade | stew , yes stew ... i know lol , but wait ... i go to see that |
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| 19:43.58 | overlade | stew , see you later :) |
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| 19:44.09 | cahoot_ | eliteforce: here's a quote from php.ini: Note that it should be the name of the module only; no directory information |
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| 19:44.26 | eliteforce | i cant start my webserver if i just use extension=mysql.so |
| 19:44.32 | g23 | ok I am back |
| 19:44.48 | xfan | its Windows XP a strong and secure system ? |
| 19:44.49 | eliteforce | and 6 pages above is extension_dir which is used to find extensions |
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| 19:45.20 | g23 | xfan: why do you even ask... especially on a Debian Linux channel |
| 19:45.23 | stew | eliteforce: did you apt-get install php4-mysql? |
| 19:45.28 | eliteforce | stew: yes |
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| 19:45.53 | stew | eliteforce: none of my servers have extension_dir set |
| 19:46.06 | eliteforce | stew, hmm mom |
| 19:46.13 | xfan | g23: i think : debian users are the most intelligent's |
| 19:46.23 | g23 | xfan: sorry couldn't help myself... I do tech support and XP makes me pull hair at times |
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| 19:46.36 | xfan | to talk about security |
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| 19:47.15 | overlade | sliw , ok re |
| 19:47.29 | overlade | sliw , he says : i don't such the repertory .... aborted |
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| 19:47.42 | overlade | X doesn't exist :'( |
| 19:47.53 | stew | overlade: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 19:48.01 | eliteforce | stew: i doesnt work with extension=mysql.so, it says configuration of plugins failed. |
| 19:48.04 | overlade | aaaaa :) |
| 19:48.14 | overlade | stew , thanks you very much , i return :) |
| 19:48.31 | eliteforce | stew: i use php over fastcgi, so i use the php.ini in /etc/php4/cgi |
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| 19:49.31 | g23 | What I am trying to do is set up a mailserver using web-cyradm... MTA = Postfix, POP/IMAP = Cyrus, auth = pam |
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| 19:51.56 | eliteforce | stew: the mysql.so file is in /usr/lib/php4/20020429/ and i dont think that php can find that ... |
| 19:52.01 | blackeagle01 | hi... I reconfigured X but I didn't remember to activate the mouse scrolling... how can I activate it without reconfigure all the x server? |
| 19:52.14 | g23 | I have tryed following all the howto's on the web-cyradm.org site... but the Debian Sarge one has you compile Cyrus, and I want to use the package that is in stable. I do not care if I use PGsql or MYsql... I just want it to work. I have noticed that pgsql is the default dbm for Debian. |
| 19:52.29 | stew | eliteforce: what version does "dpkg -l php4 " report? |
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| 19:52.47 | stew | g23: there isn't a default db in debian |
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| 19:53.50 | xfan | how many DB's are on debian stable (sarge) ? |
| 19:53.59 | g23 | stew: true... what I mean is is tasksel or aptitude the package they use for a db is pgsql... although... I don't use Exim.... |
| 19:54.03 | peterS | xfan: what do you mean by DB? |
| 19:54.06 | eliteforce | stew: that meta packages is not installed |
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| 19:54.15 | DEbian_testing | Hellow |
| 19:54.23 | xfan | i mean : postgresql, mysql, sqlite, oracle, sybase, .... |
| 19:54.24 | DEbian_testing | (with no "w") |
| 19:54.38 | xfan | "relational database" |
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| 19:54.51 | stew | eliteforce: what version of php4-cgi then |
| 19:55.00 | peterS | xfan: those are so different from each other that it's hard to compare them at all |
| 19:55.08 | eliteforce | stew: 4:4.3.10-1 |
| 19:55.24 | xfan | how many "relational databases" are on debian stable (sarge) ? |
| 19:55.43 | eliteforce | stew: dpkg -l says: 4.3.10-16 |
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| 19:55.55 | xfan | oracle and sybase are not for sarge |
| 19:55.57 | peterS | xfan: postgresql and firebird2 are the two I can think of. and mysql if you count that one |
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| 19:56.15 | peterS | xfan: sqlite doesn't even pretend to be a full database system. mysql thinks it is, but... |
| 19:56.21 | xfan | there isnt a firebird2 package! |
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| 19:56.26 | blackeagle01 | what I must to edit in X configuration file to enable the mouse scrolling? |
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| 19:56.56 | overlade | slew, i have a problem with udev and perl :'( |
| 19:57.10 | imex | got a stupid question |
| 19:57.11 | stew | eliteforce: dunno, did you try putting that directory in explicitly? |
| 19:57.17 | dumezil-school | how might i prepare a blank hard drive to be linux bootable? |
| 19:57.19 | eliteforce | stew: yes |
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| 19:57.43 | stew | eliteforce: what about /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:57.47 | peterS | xfan: the package names aren't firebird2, no. see firebird2-classic-server and firebird2-super-server |
| 19:57.47 | xfan | sqlite its a great tiny database |
| 19:57.50 | imex | about apt-get and packages, if i see the name on the web of the package and try apt-get, should the name be the same? |
| 19:57.53 | overlade | slew , i do : apt-get -f install , and i meet a problem with udev :s and with perl |
| 19:57.59 | g23 | has anyone here used web-cyradm? |
| 19:58.07 | peterS | xfan: but as far as functionality goes, it doesn't even compare to *mysql*, and that's pretty sad |
| 19:58.16 | dumezil-school | im basically trying to start from the beginning... make it bootable then put the kernel and all on there... but i can't figure out the first part |
| 19:58.27 | peterS | xfan: it's great for what it is, but you can't exactly put it in the same category as RDBMS servers |
| 19:58.28 | stew | dumezil-school: your non-debian questions are off topic here |
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| 19:58.49 | xfan | why not ? |
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| 19:59.10 | overlade | stew , i can't configure again perl ? plz |
| 19:59.12 | eliteforce | stew: first i want to find out how to fix it |
| 19:59.13 | cheal | imex: depending on where on the web, yes |
| 19:59.16 | peterS | xfan: it's not a server, for one thing. it's every-man-for-himself talking directly to the files on disk |
| 19:59.40 | stew | overlade: what is the problem? |
| 19:59.44 | peterS | xfan: and it's missing even more standard DBMS functionality than mysql is |
| 19:59.44 | DEbian_testing | I've a problem: I need the ASCII code of the inverse character of ¬ (whith the vertical part in the left), but I can't find it. In ASCII tables, it'ld be 169, but in my DEbian, it is not. I made a program in C++ to search it, but it doesn't appear. mc shows this character and I see mc good. |
| 19:59.51 | imex | cheal: thanks but i had been downloading them separately |
| 20:00.01 | xfan | ok, thats true |
| 20:00.08 | imex | cause when i type the name it says cant find |
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| 20:00.16 | caphuso | DEbian_testing: ascii stops at 127 |
| 20:00.19 | SpoilEngine | quick question: I'm new debian and I don't realy know where I can put the ifconfig lines so that the configuration of my eth's are persistent |
| 20:00.26 | peterS | DEbian_testing: you have to learn about character sets. there is no "ASCII character 169". |
| 20:00.36 | stew | SpoilEngine: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 20:00.42 | overlade | stew, when i want to do : apt-get install x-window-system , he says : a problem with perl ...etc ... and he says : try apt-get -f install , then i try ... and i can't install udev because my problem with perl |
| 20:00.51 | imex | another question is that I want to create a cross-platform database from Linux, what should i start with? |
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| 20:00.59 | g23 | SpoilEnginer: go to /etc/default/ and look there |
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| 20:01.22 | DEbian_testing | caphuso: ASCII doesn't end in 127. There are "advanced characters" before. |
| 20:01.24 | stew | overlade: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:01.32 | peterS | DEbian_testing: they aren't ASCII though |
| 20:01.34 | SpoilEngine | ok, thanks dudes |
| 20:01.36 | stew | overlade: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
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| 20:01.42 | overlade | stew : 2.6.12 yes i think |
| 20:01.54 | peterS | DEbian_testing: ASCII stops at 127, whatever goes beyond 127 is character-set-dependent |
| 20:01.56 | overlade | stew, i have in my grub the 2.4 too ... |
| 20:01.56 | imex | .msg dpkg sdl |
| 20:02.08 | caphuso | DEbian_testing: you need to learn what ASCII is, and what isn't |
| 20:02.12 | paxmaster | could someone show me example using tar cvf with -L option |
| 20:02.15 | DEbian_testing | peterS: I think it is not a charset problem, because I see mc correctly and it uses this char. |
| 20:02.25 | Falkon | Is it possible to start a VNC server showing an active desktop? Sort of in the way vnc works on windows |
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| 20:02.32 | peterS | DEbian_testing: you can think whatever you want. you still have to learn about character sets |
| 20:02.38 | stew | overlade: paste the exact error you are getting in #flood or in a pastebin (don't paste here) |
| 20:02.46 | g23 | FalKon: check tightvnc |
| 20:02.54 | peterS | DEbian_testing: also, learn about terminal capabilities. VT100-compatible terminals have a separate set of graphic characters which you can switch in and out of |
| 20:03.17 | peterS | DEbian_testing: I suspect the ones you're looking for are among the VT100 graphic characters |
| 20:03.18 | caphuso | and no, those graphic chars are not ASCII either |
| 20:03.20 | stew | DEbian_testing: you are seeing ncurses change the color of a character via ansi |
| 20:03.36 | Falkon | g23: that's what I'm using. I have an active X desktop, and I want the vncserver to host it. I dont' know if it's possible |
| 20:03.39 | overlade | stew, the exact error is too long , but i remember : perl : ES_deb ... cannot locate , please reconfigure ... and etc ... |
| 20:03.52 | DEbian_testing | stew: no. |
| 20:04.14 | imex | how do u purge packages? |
| 20:04.26 | stew | overlade: to reconfigure a package, dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 20:04.36 | stew | !wikifaq imex PackageManagement |
| 20:04.40 | peterS | imex: aptitude purge |
| 20:04.40 | dpkg | imex: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:04.43 | g23 | Falkon: open a term and launch tightvnc-server... or something like that... you can also man tightvnc |
| 20:05.00 | imex | wow, thanks for the quick response |
| 20:05.06 | overlade | stew , i can do dpkg-reconfigure perl ? |
| 20:05.15 | Falkon | g23: that would create a new desktop [:1] |
| 20:05.24 | dondelelcaro | overlade: there's nothing in perl to configure. |
| 20:05.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:05.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:05.31 | stew | overlade: yes, but i don't believe perl has anything to configure |
| 20:05.46 | overlade | ok :/ |
| 20:05.52 | stew | overlade: we need to see the exact error you are getting if you want us to help |
| 20:06.16 | overlade | ok stew , let me copy the message in a piece of paper , to write this here |
| 20:06.34 | g23 | Falkon: check the man... I know I have doen it and thought that was the way how |
| 20:06.35 | stew | overlade: can you not just paste it somewhere? |
| 20:06.44 | stew | Falkon: look at the "rfb" vnc server |
| 20:07.01 | overlade | stew , no ... i don't use debian but win ... my debian is out :'( |
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| 20:07.05 | Falkon | stew: that's the remote desktop right? |
| 20:07.15 | overlade | stew, i do that quickly ;) |
| 20:07.19 | paxmaster | could someone show me example using tar cvf with -L option /dev/st0 |
| 20:07.19 | stew | Falkon: its a vnc server |
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| 20:08.18 | Falkon | stew: you are the man! |
| 20:08.23 | balzac | hello. i figured out my broken package problem from yesterday. I just needed to force version downgrade a package that was too new. |
| 20:08.30 | stew | something tells me overlade really didn't want to "upgrade" to sid |
| 20:08.34 | balzac | i really like debian's package management. |
| 20:08.34 | imex | thanks all, back later |
| 20:08.41 | dontpanic | hello can any one recomend a replacement for reflection? |
| 20:08.48 | peterS | paxmaster: something like: tar cvf /dev/st0 -L2000000 /home |
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| 20:08.56 | balzac | bye |
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| 20:09.06 | peterS | paxmaster: assuming a 2 GB tape |
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| 20:09.27 | paxmaster | thx |
| 20:09.57 | peterS | paxmaster: I haven't used multiple tapes with tar, so I'm not sure if you need -M as well, or what |
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| 20:10.30 | dontpanic | I need a good terminal program that can take the place of reflection |
| 20:10.45 | dontpanic | any Ideas? |
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| 20:11.15 | peterS | dontpanic: never heard of reflection, what does it do exactly? |
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| 20:11.31 | g23 | What I am trying to do with the mail server is have something that can do vHosting using a web interface. I want to use postfix and have IMAP(S)/POP(S). I would perfer to use Cyrus... but I am open. |
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| 20:11.49 | dontpanic | it is like procom it is a dial up program |
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| 20:12.43 | abrotman | !info minicom sarge |
| 20:12.43 | dpkg | minicom: (friendly menu driven serial communication program), section comm, is optional. Version: 2.1-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 272 kB, Installed size: 900 kB |
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| 20:12.51 | r3tex | how do i switch between ati griver and XFree driver? |
| 20:13.00 | dontpanic | I remember mincom thanks |
| 20:13.07 | peterS | r3tex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:13.11 | peterS | r3tex: pick the 'ati' driver |
| 20:13.28 | r3tex | peterS: ok =) |
| 20:13.40 | dotrig | xf86 isnt opengl :P |
| 20:13.53 | r3tex | peterS: are you talking about what driver XFree uses at startup? |
| 20:13.54 | abrotman | nothing is opengl .. except opengl |
| 20:13.59 | peterS | r3tex: this won't work if you've modified /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand (or possibly by a script other than dpkg-reconfigure) |
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| 20:14.23 | peritus_ | in which package can i find lspci? |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | !tell peritus_ about search |
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| 20:14.37 | peterS | r3tex: right, the 'ati' driver is from XFree86, the driver from ATi is called 'fglrx' |
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| 20:14.48 | r3tex | peterS: yeah, i was talking about how to change the softlinks for the opengl implementation |
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| 20:15.10 | r3tex | peritus_: put in a package called apt-file it tells you what programs go to what apt packages |
| 20:15.11 | peritus_ | abrotman: try apt-cache search lspci and see |
| 20:15.12 | peterS | r3tex: oh, I don't know what other stuff ATI ships with the fglrx driver |
| 20:15.13 | iss | hi |
| 20:15.20 | peterS | peritus_: it's in pciutils, anyway |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | peritus_: try apt-file search lspci and see |
| 20:15.25 | HugLeo | debhelper: who is test? |
| 20:15.34 | peritus_ | peterS: thanks |
| 20:15.35 | r3tex | peterS: =P just how to switch between fglrx and ati while XFree is running |
| 20:15.43 | peritus_ | abrotman: thans. then i know next time |
| 20:15.44 | abrotman | you can't afaik |
| 20:15.51 | HugLeo | debhelper: guidelines? |
| 20:15.57 | peterS | r3tex: I've got this suspicion you aren't sure what you actually want |
| 20:15.59 | abrotman | HugLeo: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 20:16.06 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:16.07 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:16.09 | iss | In openoffice - in gtk programs in general - all 'r' look very strange. Its seems that there is something wrong with the gtk-font stuff.... what can i do about this? |
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| 20:16.30 | toberkel | hi |
| 20:16.38 | HugLeo | UdontKnow: Como funciona o deb aqui? :) |
| 20:17.01 | abrotman | HugLeo: /join #debian-br |
| 20:17.06 | xfan | HugLeo : whats your languaje ? |
| 20:17.13 | peterS | r3tex: to actually put pixels on your monitor, XFree86 uses a video driver. that can't be changed after you've started the X server. for applications to talk to the server, they use libraries for things like OpenGL. changing which library is used by an application is a matter of moving the right library into the right location, and I guess can be done any time |
| 20:17.19 | iss | it concerns the application interface, not documents. |
| 20:17.22 | xfan | spanish or portuguese ? |
| 20:17.24 | Golf_ | hi there, I installed sarge and every time I go to apt-get it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0, the source is set to ftp.uk.debian.org and I can ping the site or any others but apt-get still tries to go to 1.0.0.0 |
| 20:17.30 | HugLeo | xfan: Portuguse |
| 20:17.37 | abrotman | HugLeo: /join #debian-br |
| 20:17.52 | xfan | ok, entra no #debian-br |
| 20:18.01 | xfan | or talk in english |
| 20:18.03 | mike_sol_ | Golf_, anything odd in /etc/hosts |
| 20:18.03 | HugLeo | abrotman: Here. OK! |
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| 20:19.01 | Ockie | hey im back, im trying to make several partititios on one (new) hard disk using Debian... i dont knwo how, anyone know what option i should use for that (Desktop Machine, Multiuser workstation, software raid or LVM ? |
| 20:19.02 | Golf_ | just says 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain as it should |
| 20:19.16 | iss | How Can i change the font of gtk-applications? |
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| 20:19.26 | Golf_ | as I said I can ping any website but apt-get keeps trying to go to 1.0.0.0 for every source |
| 20:19.28 | adii | how should i do so i have "network" option in gnome ? which package is it ? |
| 20:19.33 | peterS | Ockie: you can always tell it you want to pick the partition sizes by hand |
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| 20:19.50 | g23 | What I am trying to do with the mail server is have something that can do vHosting using a web interface. I want to use postfix and have IMAP(S)/POP(S). I would perfer to use Cyrus... but I am open. Currently I am trying to use web-cyradm (web-cyradm) but I think that saslauthd is not working |
| 20:19.52 | Ockie | peterS: where / how ? |
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| 20:20.00 | r3tex | peterS: you are absolutely correct, many distributions have a system for moving these symlinks, or perhaps the actual libraries themselves, and i was wondering how Debian does |
| 20:20.02 | peterS | Ockie: there's an option for that in the installer |
| 20:20.02 | mike_sol | Golf_, anything odd in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:20.16 | peterS | r3tex: debian doesn't, because debian doesn't ship the fglrx driver at all |
| 20:20.19 | r3tex | peterS: in gentoo for instance you simply write opengl-update fglrx, and it switches everything for you |
| 20:20.23 | peterS | r3tex: wherever you got your driver from, ask *them* |
| 20:20.37 | Golf_ | mike, apt.conf is blank |
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| 20:20.56 | mike_sol | Golf_, how about sources.list |
| 20:21.01 | Ockie | ill type the options i see: Desktop Machine, Multiuser workstation (those 2 are under the Guided ...) Software RAID or Logical Volume Manager |
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| 20:21.28 | overlade | ok stew , i have copied the differents errors |
| 20:21.31 | mike_sol | Golf_, nslookup the sources you have listed there and be sure they resolve |
| 20:21.36 | Golf_ | mike, sources list has deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian sarge main |
| 20:21.43 | mike_sol | thats pretty odd |
| 20:21.44 | Stoned | how do you get java to run so you can view a website |
| 20:21.56 | stew | Stoned: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:22.00 | Ockie | ill type the options i see: Desktop Machine, Multiuser workstation (those 2 are under the Guided ...) Software RAID or Logical Volume Manager |
| 20:22.01 | Golf_ | yes they do resolve |
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| 20:22.10 | peterS | r3tex: well, I didn't mean to sound rude there just now, and maybe someone here knows how the third-party fglrx packages work, but I just meant that it isn't really a Debian issue |
| 20:22.14 | fbi | jesus christ, and aoler ircing as root |
| 20:22.15 | mike_sol | Ockie, if you pick one, it shows you the partition layout |
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| 20:22.21 | fbi | s/and/an/g |
| 20:22.23 | Ockie | ok, thanks, ill have a look... |
| 20:22.26 | mike_sol | and then you change it |
| 20:22.32 | overlade | stew , when i try to do : apt-get install x-window-system , he says : the following pckg have unmet dependencies : udev : Depends : Hotplug (> 0.0 .... |
| 20:22.33 | fbi | Hoster90: don't irc as root |
| 20:22.34 | rubicant | hey, they say your penis gets small when you buy a xbox360 |
| 20:22.39 | r3tex | peterS: ok |
| 20:22.49 | mike_sol | rubicant, only if you dont ever plan on modding it :D |
| 20:22.56 | Ockie | rofl |
| 20:22.59 | stew | overlade: udev doesn't depend on hotplug, it conflicts with it |
| 20:23.13 | overlade | stew , he might me to try apt-get -f install with no packages for the unmet dependencies |
| 20:23.26 | peterS | rubicant: what if my penis is already small, does it get even smaller when I buy an xbox360, or does it stay the same? |
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| 20:23.35 | rubicant | it will implode |
| 20:23.39 | overlade | stew ... wait ;) |
| 20:23.41 | stew | overlade: whave version of debian did you say this was, again? |
| 20:23.41 | peterS | oh, that wouldn't be good |
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| 20:23.49 | rubicant | nope :-( |
| 20:24.12 | overlade | stew , sid ... i do a dist-upgrade |
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| 20:24.23 | r3tex | anyone know where the default config file for gcc is on debian =P |
| 20:24.29 | r3tex | make.conf |
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| 20:24.43 | peterS | r3tex: we don't have a make.conf, you're thinking of gentoo |
| 20:24.59 | mike_sol | r3tex: try the 'find' or 'locate' commands next time you wonder where something is |
| 20:25.08 | overlade | stew , when i do apt-get -f install : the following pck will be installed ...etc (udev) i press yes , but look this |
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| 20:25.22 | peterS | r3tex: gcc doesn't have a config file, by default, anymore - though I guess you can create a /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/specs or whatever |
| 20:25.30 | stew | !+conflicts udev sid |
| 20:25.31 | overlade | stew, perl : warning Settings local failed |
| 20:25.32 | dpkg | Package 'udev' does not exist. |
| 20:25.37 | stew | wtf |
| 20:25.43 | overlade | :'(:'( |
| 20:25.48 | peterS | hmmm, actually the specs file does still exist in gcc 3.4 |
| 20:25.56 | peterS | it's been eliminated only in gcc 4.0 |
| 20:26.06 | stew | overlade: thats not an error its a warning, and you can fix it by "export LANG=c" or "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 20:26.18 | peterS | stew: LANG=C, not LANG=c |
| 20:26.19 | mike_sol | is debian compiling stuff with gcc4.0 in sid these days?? |
| 20:26.22 | stew | oops |
| 20:26.24 | peterS | ...though I'm not sure if it matters |
| 20:26.54 | overlade | stew , i try dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 20:27.06 | stew | overlade: that will get rid of the warning but not fix anything real |
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| 20:27.32 | r3tex | peterS: is that where i would put my compile time options? |
| 20:27.34 | stew | is dpkg really correct that there is no udev in sid? |
| 20:27.34 | stew | can't be |
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| 20:27.55 | g23 | HAs anyone here used web-cyradm or set up a mail-server for vhositng that uses a web interface and perferably Cyrus-imap |
| 20:28.03 | Skullb0x | is there ports in debian like in freebsd? |
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| 20:28.10 | Skullb0x | or can you use apt-get ? |
| 20:28.12 | peterS | r3tex: Debian is in general pretty contemptuous of people deciding they're smarter than the debian maintainers as far as the best optimisations for a package |
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| 20:28.21 | overlade | stew , because at the end of the "install" it say that : errors were encountered : /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.074 ..... |
| 20:28.27 | beardy | !tell Skullb0x about grounding |
| 20:28.38 | peterS | r3tex: the theory is that your Pentium 4 isn't all *that* different from the next guy's Pentium 4, and as far as gcc is concerned, it's not terribly different from my Athlon either |
| 20:28.44 | beardy | Skullb0x: apt-get is what Debian uses yes. |
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| 20:29.04 | Skullb0x | nice im installing debian then :) |
| 20:29.12 | peterS | r3tex: so for compiler optimisation flags, we don't believe the gentoo theory of picking your own options for every machine makes any sense at all |
| 20:29.13 | r3tex | peterS: yeah, i just want to compile my own programs that i'm doing for school |
| 20:29.22 | adii | how should i do so i have "network" option in gnome ? which package is it ? |
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| 20:29.37 | g23 | skullbOx: Debian was the system that invented apt-get... it works best in Debian still |
| 20:29.41 | peterS | r3tex: as for compiling your own non-debian packages, many 'configure' scripts honor the "CC" and "CFLAGS" variables you can set in your environment |
| 20:29.48 | stew | overlade: you either need to satisfy the udev dependencies or remove it |
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| 20:30.09 | r3tex | peterS: that's what i was talking about =) where do i set my environment variables for compiling? |
| 20:30.10 | peterS | r3tex: so, in ~/.bashrc or whatever: export CFLAGS='-O2 -fomg-optimized' |
| 20:30.11 | mike_sol | peterS, thanks for that info, it's useful. |
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| 20:30.13 | overlade | stew , so i want to remove it :) ... |
| 20:30.15 | r3tex | ok |
| 20:30.20 | Stoned | i give up |
| 20:30.23 | Skullb0x | how many cds is the debian install just one? |
| 20:30.26 | peterS | r3tex: and in ~/.bash_profile: source ~/.bashrc |
| 20:30.34 | overlade | stew , i come back later ... i want to try something :) |
| 20:30.37 | saik0 | overlade, or apt-get -f install |
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| 20:30.41 | beardy | Skullb0x: Do you have better than dialup internet connection? |
| 20:30.53 | Skullb0x | beardy 3mbit dsl |
| 20:30.58 | beardy | !d-i Skullb0x |
| 20:31.00 | dpkg | Skullb0x, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:31.02 | peterS | r3tex: (you see, depending on your login procedure, your shell will either read .bashrc or .bash_profile, but not both, thus doing a 'source .bashrc' from .bash_profile is a good way to cover your bases) |
| 20:31.08 | stew | overlade: udev is going through changes, i wouldn't be suprised if it is currenlty broken, stuff in unstable is all the time |
| 20:31.10 | overlade | saik0 , i try but he says me a problem with perl :s and with depackaging ... and etc ... |
| 20:31.31 | r3tex | peterS: zsh in my case ;) |
| 20:31.35 | stew | overlade: you don't have a perl problem, you have a warning that will go away when you dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:31.38 | overlade | stew , testing version is better then no ? |
| 20:31.40 | saik0 | overlade, ah ok. i just got here =) |
| 20:31.48 | peterS | r3tex: well, you're on your own, then, I don't know the zsh situation for startup files |
| 20:31.53 | overlade | stew ... im sorry :) ok |
| 20:31.56 | stew | overlade: its broken far less often, yes |
| 20:31.57 | beardy | Skullb0x: Using the netinstaller, you install a base system, then download and install the packages you want. |
| 20:31.57 | sparr_ | whats the terminology for scanners that scan at an angle, or dont? |
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| 20:32.12 | Overfiend | sparr_: helical vs. normal? |
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| 20:32.32 | peterS | I thought helical scan was for magnetic tape media |
| 20:32.35 | sparr_ | Overfiend: hmm, helical would be which? |
| 20:32.38 | overlade | and i can't do modificate the sources list to testing , now i'm in sid ? or yes ? |
| 20:32.48 | peterS | sparr_: helical is at an angle |
| 20:32.49 | Overfiend | sparr_: helical == helix, at an angle |
| 20:33.13 | sparr_ | i used a friend's scanner, but it scanned at an angle so it wasnt useful to me |
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| 20:33.14 | stew | overlade: there is no downgrade support if that is what you are asking |
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| 20:33.28 | sparr_ | trying to shop for my own but not having much luck telling the difference |
| 20:33.39 | peterS | I'm not sure 'helical' describes optical scanning very well though |
| 20:33.50 | overlade | stew , yes is that ... :/ i must to reinstall all then ? |
| 20:33.51 | laurens_ | Hello. I seem to be having a dependency problem while installing skype. It ought to be trivial since it works if I force it hard (but then it tries to uninstall skype all the time due to depends issues. |
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| 20:34.02 | laurens_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.09 | laurens_ | (and it is not availible from apt) |
| 20:34.15 | peterS | laurens_: on sarge or sid? |
| 20:34.20 | Skullb0x | /part |
| 20:34.21 | laurens_ | peterS: etch |
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| 20:34.31 | peterS | laurens_: those kinds of problems should be rare in sarge, but they'll happen often in sid and sometimes in etch |
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| 20:34.33 | helix | man I was all ready to banninate |
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| 20:34.45 | laurens_ | peterS: yeah but the problem should be simple |
| 20:34.46 | helix | peterS: have you been out of town? |
| 20:34.54 | peterS | helix: not particularly, why? |
| 20:34.54 | laurens_ | the only real issue is that the names have changed |
| 20:34.58 | laurens_ | should be easy to fix, right? |
| 20:35.00 | peterS | laurens_: libqt3c102-mt is out of date, someone needs to recompile skype |
| 20:35.02 | helix | hm, haven't seen you around |
| 20:35.06 | laurens_ | I tried making a fake package |
| 20:35.12 | laurens_ | (using equivs-build) |
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| 20:35.26 | peterS | helix: I don't watch #debian as often as I used to. I'm still active in other channels, at certain times of day |
| 20:35.34 | laurens_ | However, that didn't work. The old lib conflicts with the new one |
| 20:35.37 | g23 | Has anyone here used web-cyradm or set up a mail-server for vhositng that uses a web interface and perferably Cyrus-imap |
| 20:35.50 | helix | ok |
| 20:35.56 | peterS | helix: my afternoons and evenings were recently all taken up with opera rehearsals/productions, so that makes some difference |
| 20:36.02 | laurens_ | I realise skype is the problem. Is it possible to rip open a binary deb and change its depends? |
| 20:36.06 | peterS | helix: we finished that Sunday though, so. |
| 20:36.12 | laurens_ | Are the depends files plaintext? (i assume so) |
| 20:36.12 | r3tex | peterS: zsh owns bash |
| 20:36.15 | helix | oh, is that happening now? or you already did the performance? |
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| 20:36.27 | helix | zsh is pretty rockin', though I keep finding incompletion |
| 20:36.39 | peterS | helix: we did it last Thu-Sun. Mozart, "Le nozze di Figaro" (the marriage of Figaro) |
| 20:36.41 | helix | Overfiend: did you think that email was bizarre? |
| 20:36.52 | helix | peterS: were you ever able to do the fast italian bit? |
| 20:36.53 | beardy | r3tex: To each his own. |
| 20:36.58 | helix | (or her own) |
| 20:37.02 | peterS | what fast Italian bit? |
| 20:37.05 | beardy | Of course. |
| 20:37.16 | helix | umm no idea, I only remember you having a problem singing some part very quickly |
| 20:37.33 | peterS | oh that. for the audition for this. Bartolo's aria. no, I never really got that down |
| 20:37.39 | helix | oh ok :) |
| 20:37.42 | laurens_ | hahaha |
| 20:37.45 | r3tex | beardy: dos is better than linucks |
| 20:37.46 | helix | but you got the part, so congrats |
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| 20:37.50 | peterS | I wasn't really trying for his part anyway, I just needed something to audition with at all |
| 20:37.50 | laurens_ | I google for "debian binary package editing" |
| 20:38.00 | peterS | I didn't get Bartolo, no, I was just in the opera chorus. which is all I really expected |
| 20:38.03 | laurens_ | and one of the first hits is: "Skype .deb is horribly broken" |
| 20:38.04 | laurens_ | :P |
| 20:38.16 | Overfiend | helix: hmm what? The one you and I and a few others got sent privately? |
| 20:38.20 | beardy | r3tex: See what we said above. |
| 20:38.28 | helix | yes |
| 20:38.35 | helix | I replied to it, I think |
| 20:38.36 | g23 | for skype I just used the complete complied general linux version |
| 20:38.42 | r3tex | beardy: i know =) that's what i mean I like DOS SOOOOOOOOO MUCH! |
| 20:38.44 | Overfiend | helix: Yes, you did. |
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| 20:39.13 | helix | Overfiend: it was weird, had he spoken to you about that before? |
| 20:39.28 | peterS | helix: ...anyway, for the past week+ we've had rehearsals/productions going until like 11 pm every night, so that limited my IRC time somewhat. I guess I'm kind of back now |
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| 20:39.42 | helix | peterS: ah, so we can bicker like the good ol' days? |
| 20:39.48 | Overfiend | helix: I don't believe *he* had, but vaguely the same issue has been discussed with me before |
| 20:39.50 | beardy | Hmm I wonder if he meant that, or wandered off with a troll-tail hanging.. |
| 20:39.51 | Golf_ | ok, I resolved it by changing the nameserver in resolv.conf to the ISPs Primary DNS server but when I reboot it changes the nameserve back to 192.168.0.1, how do I stop it doing that? |
| 20:39.52 | peterS | yes! let the bickering begin! |
| 20:39.58 | saik0 | !gentoo |
| 20:39.59 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
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| 20:40.04 | helix | Overfiend: seriously? wtf? |
| 20:40.05 | addNtoX | hola |
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| 20:40.13 | mike_sol | !greenhouse |
| 20:40.14 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:40.22 | mike_sol | that is true |
| 20:40.24 | Overfiend | helix: well, not the part that aggravated you |
| 20:40.25 | saik0 | mike_sol, ah yes, thats what i wanted |
| 20:40.28 | AlienX | lol |
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| 20:40.29 | Overfiend | helix: the other parts of the mail. let's see, uh |
| 20:40.37 | peterS | Overfiend: aggravate means complicate. you probably meant irritate |
| 20:40.39 | helix | Overfiend: /msg is fine if you feel uncomfortable discussing it here |
| 20:40.42 | Overfiend | helix: paragraph 2 |
| 20:40.47 | helix | since I know it was a private mail and all |
| 20:40.55 | addNtoX | how can i get the .bashrc initialized when logging in via startx? |
| 20:41.00 | helix | oh yeah that part |
| 20:41.09 | Overfiend | helix: already got 2 other /queries going on a totally different subject right now, I think I'm at my multiplexing limit :) |
| 20:41.12 | helix | well that's been discussed to death has it not? |
| 20:41.18 | helix | ok, just sayin' |
| 20:42.02 | peterS | Overfiend: switch over to msn video chat so you can keep your various conversations straight |
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| 20:42.13 | laurens_ | omg, it worketh on the first try! |
| 20:42.15 | laurens_ | <3 debian |
| 20:42.18 | mike_sol | peterS, then we'd see he has no shirt on though |
| 20:42.30 | peterS | mike_sol: true |
| 20:42.33 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 20:42.59 | mike_sol | hey is there any good debian swag? i could use a golf shift |
| 20:43.02 | mike_sol | er, shirt |
| 20:43.04 | beardy | addNtoX: You could "source .bashrc" in your .xsession perhaps, but are you sure that's what you want? Maybe better to add the things you need to .xsession instead. xterms that runs bash loads .bashrc. |
| 20:43.04 | peterS | laurens_: recompiling skype against newer qt? that worked? good to hear it |
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| 20:43.22 | abrotman | recompiling skype? the closed source app ? |
| 20:43.27 | peterS | mike_sol: a shift - nice typo. never heard of a *golf* shift, or a *logo* shift for that matter, though |
| 20:43.43 | peterS | abortman: oh, is it closed-source? I had no idea |
| 20:43.45 | Nirga1 | Golf_: check option "usepeerdns" in ppp options, maybe |
| 20:43.51 | abrotman | peterS: afaik it is |
| 20:43.52 | addNtoX | beardy: ah ok, thanks for the info :) |
| 20:43.58 | abrotman | !skype |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | [skype] a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 20:44.02 | mike_sol | well a shift of gold would be like nine holes i suppose |
| 20:44.24 | peterS | abrotman: so I guess he had to install an older package of libqt3c102-mt or something then |
| 20:44.30 | mike_sol | gold? wtf i can't spell today just /ignore me |
| 20:44.36 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here familiar with apache's mod_rewrite? |
| 20:44.47 | beardy | addNtoX: also '/msg dpkg xsession' if you want |
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| 20:44.49 | abrotman | peterS: or pre-ABI transition perhaps ? |
| 20:44.51 | peterS | ctp: familiar with, but I can never get it to do what I want, so I'll be no help |
| 20:44.58 | peterS | abrotman: right |
| 20:45.01 | beardy | addNtoX: no problem |
| 20:45.03 | g23 | what package is a good VOIP server... I have a 100Mbps connection dedicated server |
| 20:45.20 | peterS | g23: asterisk does that type of stuff |
| 20:45.35 | abrotman | way better than * |
| 20:45.41 | peterS | g23: asterisk is this whole boatload of packages though, have fun sifting through what you actually need |
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| 20:45.52 | g23 | What Clients.... for Dad's windows box |
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| 20:46.16 | w00t | lolz |
| 20:46.19 | mike_sol | g23, you'd think any sip client would work. |
| 20:46.21 | abrotman | !asterisk |
| 20:46.22 | dpkg | [asterisk] a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 20:46.39 | peterS | g23: good question - debian doesn't ship very much Windows software, so we probably have little idea |
| 20:46.41 | g23 | I know Gnomemeating works for linux |
| 20:46.41 | laurens_ | peterS: actually no |
| 20:46.43 | abrotman | dpkg: asterisk is also http://www.asterisk.org/ |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 20:46.48 | Nirga1 | Golf_: and maybe some stuff in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 20:46.53 | ctp | peters: do you know if it's possible to rewrite urls for other servers? i have 3 apache servers running at port 80 in my private lan (192.168.x.x) and one with official ip from my isp. so i wanna receive the http requests on this one and rewrite the urls to forward the requests to my internal apaches. |
| 20:46.55 | laurens_ | peterS: what I did was rebuild the deb |
| 20:47.14 | laurens_ | peterS: rebuilding, without the recompiling. rebuilding with an altered control file. |
| 20:47.27 | peterS | laurens_: so it'll work if and only if you get lucky, then |
| 20:47.37 | peterS | laurens_: since there *is* a reason the package got renamed in the first place |
| 20:47.41 | stew | peterS: other have reported it working in this case |
| 20:47.46 | peterS | (it's incompatible with the old one, without a recompile) |
| 20:47.51 | stew | so i think he might have gotten lucky |
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| 20:48.09 | guitoune | hi all i want to burn an iso, and k3b doesn't detect my laptop cdrom/burner... |
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| 20:48.31 | guitoune | i use 2.6.8-2-686 debian kernel |
| 20:48.40 | peterS | ctp: doesn't sound like a job for mod_rewrite. I'm not sure what a good approach would be for that |
| 20:48.41 | DEbian_testing | Adiós |
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| 20:49.13 | ctp | peterS: ok, i'll try it at #apache ;-) |
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| 20:49.37 | peterS | ctp: simplest approach would be to issue HTTP redirects to the same machine, different port numbers, and then have something like rinetd forward requests from, say, port 6080 to some internal machine port 80 |
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| 20:50.06 | cmatheson | i need to be able to access a service on my linux box from a windows box that is on the other side of a firewall... is it possible to reverse ssh tunnel from a windoze box to the linux? |
| 20:50.15 | peterS | ctp: or, use iptables in place of rinetd - both work fine for that sort of thing |
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| 20:50.41 | peterS | ctp: another approach would be a sort of reverse proxy, which can probably be done with squid |
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| 20:51.18 | peterS | cmatheson: what do you mean 'reverse'? any windows ssh client should be able to set up normal tunnels |
| 20:51.30 | ctp | peterS: hm, all webservers are in production use, so iptables and ports !=80 would confuse the customers. ssh and all other stuff is handled the way you describe (nat). |
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| 20:51.56 | g23 | ctp: YOu can using iptables... iptable -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.x.x-192.168.x.y |
| 20:52.00 | peterS | cmatheson: I know openssh and putty can set up tunnels |
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| 20:52.35 | abrotman | g23: that only works *if* all traffic on 80 is meant for the internal network |
| 20:52.44 | peterS | g23: how will iptables be able to tell the difference between the different URLs and which IPs they should be directed to? |
| 20:52.48 | cmatheson | peterS: ok this is basically how it goes (and maybe i haven't thought this out well enough (p.s. thanks, i didn't know putty could do tunnels i've never used it much before): there's a linux box--firewall(i have control over this one)---firewall(nocontrol)--windoze box |
| 20:53.07 | cmatheson | i guess i should just be able to tunnel into the linux box normally... |
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| 20:53.36 | g23 | sorry I was typeing to the first part about nating... didn't see other questions |
| 20:53.42 | peterS | cmatheson: assuming you can bring up an ssh connection between your two endpoints, it's just a matter of setting up tunnels, from there, via the ssh client |
| 20:54.00 | Nirga1 | cmatheson: ssh can natively forward ports from both side. Just read about -R and -L options in ssh manual |
| 20:54.00 | ctp | g23: what does this forwarding rule do exactely? forwards port 80 to _all_ internal servers *confused*. |
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| 20:54.21 | g23 | I have on static IP on my DSL |
| 20:54.23 | abrotman | ctp: it forwards ALL traffic sent to port 80 on the machine to an internal address .. it's probably not what you want |
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| 20:54.31 | cmatheson | Nirga1: yes, i've read that portion, and i've experimented w/ various *nix boxen, just not the windows protion |
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| 20:54.33 | g23 | I have 3 webservers inside |
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| 20:54.49 | tpr | ok so, say I had to find out which raid controller card is attached to a pc, in order to add support for the card in kernel, I have no original manuals or anything, is there a way to probe for the card or something similar? |
| 20:55.00 | abrotman | tpr: lspci |
| 20:55.06 | peterS | ctp: what he wants is to forward various URIs to various internal web servers, all configurable |
| 20:55.30 | beardy | tpr: just open the box and have a look? |
| 20:55.31 | g23 | I would do that iptables command to load balance port forwarding between more than one internal server |
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| 20:56.17 | beardy | tpr: and google after that, using the information you got, if it's not marked in a good way |
| 20:56.31 | ctp | abrotman: ok, i was confused cause of the 192.168.x.x-192.168.x.y. i use this nat rules for the ssh and db servers running on different ports. but running http at a port !=80 is a bad idea. |
| 20:56.36 | Nirga1 | g23: beware of sessions ;) |
| 20:57.09 | alessiog75 | good night |
| 20:57.11 | tpr | beardy: I dont have physical access to the machine atm, i have set up ssh on it though, can always go there if needed i suppose :) but ill see what lspci says for now .. |
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| 20:57.26 | g23 | Nirgal: true... |
| 20:57.29 | marculix | hi chaps, which one of the following tool do you prefer to display dialog boxes from shell within scripts: whiptail(1) or dialog(1)? |
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| 20:57.39 | beardy | tpr: Ok, yeah, if that works it's less work. |
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| 20:57.48 | adii | what package should i get so i have "network" app in gnome ? |
| 20:58.04 | g23 | What is killing me right now is setting up a Vhosted mailserver on my dedicated server |
| 20:58.04 | peterS | marculix: dialog seems to be more popular, but I haven't programmed for either one |
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| 20:58.29 | abrotman | adii: should be in your applets .. if that's what you mean |
| 20:58.39 | marculix | ok thanks, this was a helpful hint peterS |
| 20:58.50 | adii | but it isn't, i have lots of missing stuff |
| 20:59.01 | adii | i wanna apt-get it now |
| 20:59.04 | abrotman | adii: are you on etch/sid ? |
| 20:59.08 | adii | etch |
| 20:59.23 | adii | i've been on sarge for a while |
| 20:59.27 | abrotman | adii: apt-get install gnome ? |
| 20:59.34 | adii | i'm on gnome right now |
| 20:59.40 | adii | must be some gnome-network thing but i can't get it |
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| 21:00.00 | mikael_ | test |
| 21:00.24 | abrotman | adii: yes .. iknow you are .. apt-get install gnome |
| 21:00.38 | abrotman | adii: you mean thing little gadget for your toolbar ? |
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| 21:01.05 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 21:01.09 | Net_Holer | g |
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| 21:01.18 | adii | abrotman : yes .. i'm not skilled enough with ifconfig to networking to manage to do what i want without that |
| 21:01.19 | elephantman | What is this during new kernel first time boot : Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,5) |
| 21:01.30 | adii | (gnome already the lastest version) |
| 21:01.33 | abrotman | adii: oyu mean you want the gnome network config tool .. not the network monitor |
| 21:01.36 | abrotman | adii: right ? |
| 21:01.40 | beardy | adii: A perfect oppurtunity to start learning then. |
| 21:01.47 | adii | abrotman, right |
| 21:01.49 | w00t | apt-cache search gnome | grep network > gnome-nettool |
| 21:01.53 | elephantman | Do i lack a module to support my HD ? |
| 21:02.07 | adii | beardy, unfortunately i have no time to learn now |
| 21:02.08 | beardy | elephantman: How should anyone but you know that? |
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| 21:02.21 | adii | w00t, gnome-nettool is already installed |
| 21:02.31 | elephantman | beardy: what kind of answer is that ? |
| 21:02.32 | abrotman | !info gnome-nettool |
| 21:02.35 | cmatheson | i'm retarded and i left out a fairly critical detail... the linux box is trying to connect to a port on the windows box (not the other way around)... wouldn't this require a reverse tunnel? |
| 21:02.35 | dpkg | gnome-nettool: (network information tool for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 1660 kB |
| 21:02.52 | elephantman | beardy: if i knew what was missing i wouldn't ask |
| 21:03.00 | adii | oh ok gnome-nettool is not the one i want actually |
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| 21:03.02 | g23 | I want to set up a Virtual-hosted mailserver. I have been trying to use web-cyradm but have not gotten it to work... I thing saslauthd is what is giving me a hard time... however anyone else have sugestions |
| 21:03.04 | abrotman | elephantman: why did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 21:03.07 | adii | there are 2 network stuff |
| 21:03.13 | adii | the one called "network" in the bar |
| 21:03.14 | abrotman | adii: i think you want the gnome-system-tools or something like that |
| 21:03.20 | beardy | elephantman: I didn't see the other thing you said until I had finished typing. |
| 21:03.31 | adii | gnome-system-tools already installed |
| 21:03.34 | captcha | \l |
| 21:03.34 | elephantman | abrotman: cause previons ones doesn't handle my LAN card - i am stuck with this stupid thing for 2 days |
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| 21:03.47 | abrotman | elephantman: which network card is that ? |
| 21:03.54 | elephantman | beardy: ok sorry |
| 21:04.12 | elephantman | abrotman: Marvell Yukon GB Ethernet |
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| 21:04.14 | abrotman | !info gnome-system-tools |
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| 21:04.17 | dpkg | gnome-system-tools: (Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2237 kB, Installed size: 6200 kB |
| 21:04.17 | abrotman | !marvell |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | !yukon |
| 21:04.40 | abrotman | elephantman: does your network work at all ? wifi or eth ? |
| 21:04.50 | peterS | I thought the marvell yukon were supported by pretty much all kernels |
| 21:04.55 | abrotman | so did i |
| 21:04.57 | peterS | isn't that the yellowfin driver or something? |
| 21:05.09 | peterS | or, wait, I think I meant sk98lin |
| 21:05.19 | beardy | elephantman: You probably forgot filesystem support. And _not_ as modules, you / (root) filesystem must be compiled into the kernel. |
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| 21:05.28 | beardy | s/you/your |
| 21:05.51 | abrotman | peterS: maybe it's a Dell variant !!! :) |
| 21:05.55 | harleyg | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php |
| 21:05.57 | adii | the package was network-admin |
| 21:05.59 | harleyg | that pwns |
| 21:06.02 | harleyg | llama llama! |
| 21:06.06 | peterS | don't know anything about a dell variant, but it sounds evil |
| 21:06.18 | elephantman | abrotman: no network at all - my mobo only as those Marvell things - i am dying on this thing |
| 21:06.57 | elephantman | beardy: the strange thing is that i made "make oldconfig" with a .config from 2.6.12 that is working (new is 2.6.14) |
| 21:07.19 | beardy | elephantman: Ok, check it anyway. |
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| 21:08.26 | SpoilEngine | I installed debian sarge on a computer with a Marvel Yukon card in it yesterday and it was supported by default |
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| 21:08.46 | abrotman | perhaps the old used initrd .. and he didn't ? |
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| 21:08.58 | abrotman | elephantman: did you try just grabbing a newer kernel from etch/sid ? |
| 21:09.26 | redguy | can shaperd work with shorewall? |
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| 21:09.31 | tuv | upgrading udev removes hotplug, will this be fixed or is it on purpose? |
| 21:09.39 | Kegs | anyone know how to get an audigy(emu10k1) soundcard working in alsa on 2.6.14 in sid? |
| 21:09.42 | peterS | tuv: it's on purpose |
| 21:09.43 | tuv | debian/testing |
| 21:10.04 | peterS | Kegs: if it's more than just loading the 'snd-emu10k1' module, then no, I don't know |
| 21:10.07 | tuv | peterS: so hotplug is not reuired anymore? who will perform its tasks? |
| 21:10.12 | peterS | tuv: udev |
| 21:10.21 | abrotman | !smack Md |
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| 21:10.32 | elephantman | abrotman: i downloaded 2.6.14 on kernel.org but i did a 'make oldconfig' - so it should work !!!! |
| 21:10.39 | peterS | abrotman: you'd smack an op? good thing he's not here to see |
| 21:10.49 | Kegs | peterS: no, I am getting a whole host of unrecognized symbol errors when I try that, or if I try alsaconf |
| 21:10.58 | abrotman | elephantman: doubtful .. the 2.6.12 probably used initrd .. and you probably didn't make your new kernel with initrd |
| 21:11.07 | abrotman | peterS: i smack 'em all! |
| 21:11.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:11.20 | abrotman | peterS: afaik .. he's not #debian op .. but fn staff |
| 21:11.24 | peterS | Kegs: unrecognised symbols are something which shouldn't happen - either you used insmod instead of modprobe, or there's something fubared with your kernel compile |
| 21:11.32 | peterS | abrotman: oh well, same thing (: |
| 21:11.41 | elephantman | abrotman: ok that sound interesting - What is initrd ? In fact i only have one /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12 |
| 21:11.47 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 21:11.48 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 21:11.48 | Kegs | it isn't a kernel compile, it is an install of the stock debian kernel |
| 21:12.00 | elephantman | abrotman: there is no 'initrd' thing for the new 2.6.14 thats not working |
| 21:12.06 | peterS | Kegs: yeah I didn't mean to imply *you* compiled it |
| 21:12.10 | abrotman | elephantman: guess that's a good place to start |
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| 21:12.42 | elephantman | abrotman: ok but where is something missing ? DO i have to recompile ? |
| 21:12.43 | Kegs | peterS: i'd better thwap someone then |
| 21:12.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: what do you do, when your guitars get devoiced? |
| 21:13.07 | peterS | Kegs: yeah, unless you *did* use insmod instead of modprobe |
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| 21:13.37 | tuv | peterS: so no hotplug anymore? |
| 21:13.41 | g23 | what should /etc/saslauthd.conf have... I do not have it |
| 21:13.54 | Unuma678 | Help! I want to use playmidi, but it says /dev/sequence doesn't exists! |
| 21:14.01 | Kegs | peterS: shouldn't have done |
| 21:14.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: i beg an op to revoice! |
| 21:14.05 | elephantman | abrotman: why does my 'make-kpkg(...)' command didn't handled this ? |
| 21:14.09 | g23 | could that be why saslauthd is not working for me |
| 21:14.10 | peterS | tuv: udev is intended to take over hotplug's functionality. whether hotplug will continue to be supported, I don't know |
| 21:14.17 | abrotman | elephantman: man make-kpkg |
| 21:14.30 | Unuma678 | any ideas? |
| 21:14.51 | peterS | don't do it, anyone |
| 21:15.00 | tuv | peterS: hmm.. thanks for the info |
| 21:15.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i knew, you'd say that |
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| 21:15.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: what do you mean devoiced ? |
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| 21:16.30 | resiak | elephantman: apt-get install yaird |
| 21:16.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: it sounds not right anymore |
| 21:16.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: define not right ... |
| 21:16.48 | resiak | elephantman: 2.6.14 uses yaird or initramfstools, not initrdtools |
| 21:16.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: muted? buzzing? |
| 21:16.54 | Unuma678 | How can I get /dev/sequence?.. is it possible to download it from the internet? |
| 21:17.03 | Kegs | peterS: doesn't work using modprobe, just checked |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | apt-get install /dev/sequencer |
| 21:17.14 | sbk | Is there a debian package that will "trace" a tcp conversation at the NFS level? Basically, I'd like to look at the NFS level conversation for an NFS-over-TCP tcpdump capture. ethereal/tethereal is too difficult to parse |
| 21:17.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: wrong tones |
| 21:17.24 | Kegs | lots of errors like this ->FATAL: Error inserting snd (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-k7/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko): |
| 21:17.25 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: means you don't have a hardware MIDI sequencer |
| 21:17.30 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: look at timidity |
| 21:17.31 | resiak | elephantman: But why are you compiling your own? |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. the neck is bent ? |
| 21:17.32 | SerajewelKS | !info timidity |
| 21:17.35 | elephantman | resiak: ok thanx - with those package i should be able to run my new kernel ? |
| 21:17.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you try tuning it ? |
| 21:17.38 | dpkg | timidity: (Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player)), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.13.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 529 kB, Installed size: 1572 kB |
| 21:17.39 | peterS | sbk: for one thing, NFS usually uses UDP, although it *can* use TCP |
| 21:17.53 | sbk | peterS: yes, I know. This particular trace does use TCP |
| 21:17.54 | elephantman | resiak: because only 2.6.14 has the module i need ! |
| 21:17.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: my neck ? you want to massage it? |
| 21:18.02 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: What is timidity?.. and why that i wont have a MIDI seq?.. I do have a sound card! and i'm sure it's possible to play midi files! |
| 21:18.05 | resiak | elephantman: You'll need to run yaird and make an initrd. Well, why not backport Sid's 2.6.14? |
| 21:18.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do i tune it? my neck? |
| 21:18.08 | PerfDave | sbk: tcpdump? :) |
| 21:18.10 | elephantman | resiak: i tried to install it manually but couldn't do it |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: you mean your intonation is messed up ? |
| 21:18.13 | beardy | timidity plays mods? |
| 21:18.18 | peterS | sbk: I don't know of anything for your purposes that is better than ethereal/tethereal, anyway |
| 21:18.18 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: just because you have a sound card does not mean that it does hardware MIDI |
| 21:18.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think so |
| 21:18.23 | tarzeau | beardy: yes, horribly wrong |
| 21:18.26 | mhall | thank god i use linux |
| 21:18.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: does the neck seem warped ? |
| 21:18.35 | elephantman | all this pain for a network card |
| 21:18.35 | mhall | i'm installing windows on a couple new boxes for some people |
| 21:18.36 | tarzeau | beardy: please use opencubicplayer or xmms-modplug (modplugplay) instead |
| 21:18.38 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: timidity is a software MIDI renderer |
| 21:18.41 | mhall | and it's _sooooooooooooooooooooo_ broken |
| 21:18.44 | beardy | tarzeau: Of course. |
| 21:18.54 | sbk | PerfDave: yes, I have the tcpdump output -- now I'd like to capture just the packets corresponding to a particular NFS operation (say, a write). Being TCP, there are several packets that basically need to be "merged" to get the actual NFS lever operation |
| 21:18.58 | beardy | tarzeau: I just reacted to it. |
| 21:19.01 | abrotman | elephantman: you could buy a normal one |
| 21:19.01 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: But i'm sure i can use midi.. why not?! i have a sound card |
| 21:19.04 | resiak | sbk: Doesn't ethereal do this? |
| 21:19.11 | beardy | tarzeau: mikmod is nice too |
| 21:19.18 | elephantman | abrotman: its onboard on the best PC mobo |
| 21:19.20 | tarzeau | beardy: no it gets some effects messed up badly |
| 21:19.21 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: read what i said again. just because you have a sound card does not mean that the card can do *HARDWARE* midi |
| 21:19.48 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: timidity renders the wave and plays it as a wave |
| 21:19.49 | sbk | resiak: ethereal doesn't {as far as I can see} help trace one particular sequence of packets that correspond to the a higher level NFS operation -- maybe I missed it, but I could not see it in the man page |
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| 21:20.21 | abrotman | elephantman: guess what .. it's not the best if it doesn't work .. sounds worthless to me |
| 21:20.28 | elephantman | abrotman: :) |
| 21:20.28 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: but timidity is 31MB, and it's not possible that to play a midi file , i'll have to download so much. And my comuter is new, no way it doesn't have a hardware support for it. |
| 21:20.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: what kind of guitar ? |
| 21:20.39 | sanoj_away | elephantman: You can grab a backported yaird here: debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ |
| 21:20.41 | resiak | sbk: Hmm, maybe not. I heard it could, but can't say I ever tried. |
| 21:20.44 | peterS | resiak: right, he wants to trace a whole conversation. ethereal gives you the packet-by-packet commentary |
| 21:20.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: a very simple one, wooden |
| 21:20.56 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: most "midi drivers" for windows are nothing more than software synthesizers that look like hardware devices |
| 21:20.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: classical or acoustic ? |
| 21:21.00 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: a virtual midi driver |
| 21:21.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: all metallic strings |
| 21:21.04 | resiak | peterS: Oh, okay. I thought it could do that, but I'm obviously wrong :) |
| 21:21.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not sure, how do i find out? |
| 21:21.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. but is it acoustic or classical ? |
| 21:21.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. one simpel check .. is there a pick guard ? |
| 21:21.21 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: so no, your card does not synthesize MIDI files -- software does |
| 21:21.22 | peterS | resiak: afaik, ethereal can't combine multiple packets and tell you something more interesting about what the whole thing means |
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| 21:21.27 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: and timidity is the thing that does that on linux |
| 21:21.28 | sbk | resiak: ok -- I'll poke into that anyway |
| 21:21.29 | resiak | peterS: Oh well. |
| 21:21.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: what is a pick guard? |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you at home ? |
| 21:21.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 21:21.39 | resiak | abrotman: My electroacoustic has no pick guard ;) |
| 21:21.42 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: Ok.. so , is there an alternative to timidity, .. 30 MB is too much for it.. |
| 21:21.47 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: i guarantee you that your windows midi "driver" uses at least several megabytes of space too |
| 21:21.48 | abrotman | resiak: yes .. but that's obvious |
| 21:21.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: take a pic .. post it |
| 21:22.09 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: do you want to play midi files or not? |
| 21:22.16 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: yes........ |
| 21:22.24 | sanoj_away | elephantman: (if you are running x86, that is - for powerpc you want http://debian.jones.dk/auryn/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ instead ) |
| 21:22.34 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 21:22.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: it had the strings on it already... |
| 21:22.46 | elephantman | sanoj_away: thanx but this is way too complicated for me |
| 21:22.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's ok .. i still want to see :) |
| 21:22.58 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: 1.5MB |
| 21:23.00 | elephantman | sanoj_away: back on windows for the moment |
| 21:23.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok i'm trying to get the picture , give me a few minutes |
| 21:23.11 | sanoj_away | elephantman: What is? installing an already baclported, compiled package? |
| 21:23.15 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: what *kind*, not what *speed* |
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| 21:23.28 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: 56k? cable? dsl? T1? |
| 21:23.45 | abrotman | ISDN ? :) |
| 21:23.54 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: Oh.. hmm.. i donno.. i guess, i think cables.. i don't have a satelite near the computer |
| 21:24.00 | elephantman | sanoj_away: i have no network card - i have to burn it down - then install it - i am shure there'll be missing dependencies or shit like that. |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | liar! |
| 21:24.11 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: is it fast? |
| 21:24.11 | w00t | lol |
| 21:24.29 | elephantman | Can someone explain me simply this 'initrd' storie ? |
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| 21:24.41 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: hmm.. maybe |
| 21:24.48 | resiak | !initrd |
| 21:24.48 | dpkg | hmm... initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 21:24.50 | SerajewelKS | Unuma678: then test it by downloading timidity |
| 21:25.03 | Unuma678 | SerajewelKS: Oh..well. i'll go tryt.. thanks.. |
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| 21:25.52 | SerajewelKS | is the ftp.us.debian.org repository being updated? |
| 21:25.55 | sanoj_away | elephantman: Well, the upstream documentation for yaird actually has a beatiful intro to initrd in general...: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ekonijn/yaird/yaird.html |
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| 21:26.37 | sanoj_away | s/beatiful/beautiful/ |
| 21:26.41 | elephantman | sanoj_away: ok thanx a lot - i will read that |
| 21:26.46 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it should be. however, ftp.us.debian.org is about half a dozen different machines, and maybe one of them has problems at any given time |
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| 21:27.13 | SerajewelKS | peterS: because the Packages file hasn't been touched in about a week |
| 21:27.22 | SerajewelKS | peterS: for etch |
| 21:27.32 | duplex | I've been trying out DR17 for enlightenment, and I wanted to know if you could use DR16 themes for DR17? |
| 21:27.40 | sanoj_away | elephantman: ...and the reason you are forced to use either initramfs-tools or yaird with 2.6.14 is that the older cramfs initrd format has been dropped |
| 21:27.43 | resiak | Why not ask the enlightenment kids? |
| 21:27.43 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I guess you'll have to know the IP address in question, to determine which machine is having problems |
| 21:27.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you know where left and right is? |
| 21:28.04 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i would assume that over the course of a week i'd be hitting a different server each week |
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| 21:28.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: apparently you've never let me drive |
| 21:28.10 | sanoj_away | elephantman: ...so now the initrd _must_ be in initramfs format, which the older tool does not support |
| 21:28.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got two guitars on the photo, and the left one is mine |
| 21:28.25 | AlienX | duplex, heh, i don't know how you can stand DR17...i played with it for an hour one day and felt like throwing my computer through a window. Much different than E16 |
| 21:28.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:28.45 | duplex | alienx: My only problem so far is the lack of themes for it. |
| 21:28.58 | duplex | I was using cronos before with 16, and I loved it. |
| 21:29.04 | SerajewelKS | peterS: s/each week/each day/ |
| 21:29.12 | AlienX | duplex, i was having issues configuring menus. Then again that was in mandrake about a month ago |
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| 21:29.46 | resiak | tarzeau: Photo? |
| 21:29.57 | duplex | AlienX: I haven't even tried changing the menus, since they're pretty much the same as they were before. |
| 21:29.57 | duplex | As far as my application list. |
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| 21:29.59 | tarzeau | !photo |
| 21:30.04 | Fritol | hi |
| 21:30.18 | Fritol | pls how can i save files from SVN? |
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| 21:30.26 | AlienX | duplex, yeah, it seems as though debian is pretty good when it comes to menus. |
| 21:30.27 | resiak | Fritol: Read the svn manual? |
| 21:30.38 | duplex | Yeah. I like it anyways =D |
| 21:30.44 | AlienX | heh |
| 21:30.45 | elephantman | sanoj_away: ok but why do i need this initrd ? Its a way for the system to boot from the RAM ? |
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| 21:31.01 | duplex | So noone knows if you can use DR16 themes for enlightenment DR17? =( |
| 21:31.09 | mike_sol | duplex, i highly highly doubt it |
| 21:31.11 | resiak | duplex: You cannot. |
| 21:31.13 | Fritol | or how can i compile sim-im ? it's only on svn checkout svn://svn.berlios.de/sim-im/trunk |
| 21:31.15 | mike_sol | it's all Evas and Ethis and Ethat now |
| 21:31.23 | resiak | Fritol: svn co http:// |
| 21:31.26 | resiak | argh |
| 21:31.28 | duplex | I figured as much. That sucks with the lack of themes 17 has. |
| 21:31.34 | mike_sol | DR17 is beautiful, though |
| 21:31.42 | resiak | Fritol: svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/sim-im/trunk; cd trunk; less README |
| 21:31.45 | mike_sol | i can't wait until it's stabler |
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| 21:32.10 | elephantman | sanoj_away: ok thanx i understand after reading the doc. |
| 21:32.12 | Fritol | resiak: partially, i didn't found that :( |
| 21:32.17 | duplex | The only two themes I found are on freshmeat, and from what I read, the reason I can't get them working is because they were written for the old 17, which was recently rewritten. |
| 21:32.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't have much to look at |
| 21:32.23 | Fritol | resiak: thanks, I'll try |
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| 21:32.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/guitar.jpg |
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| 21:33.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm going to make a guess .. and say that is NOT supposed to have metal strings |
| 21:33.23 | resiak | abrotman: He has put acou strings on a classical :) |
| 21:33.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: the one on the right is clearly a classical |
| 21:33.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i'm 99% sure the one on the left is also |
| 21:33.38 | tarzeau | resiak: i didn't do that! |
| 21:33.44 | resiak | tarzeau: :) |
| 21:33.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: so what's wrong? |
| 21:33.55 | lightseek | whats the application called that is a kppp and modem gui login? |
| 21:34.15 | AlienX | lightseek, minicom? |
| 21:34.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: the right one has three plastic strings, and three metallic strings |
| 21:34.16 | abrotman | resiak: it may not be .. notice the pegs .. and the mount for the ends of the strings |
| 21:34.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: and that's correct |
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| 21:34.38 | lightseek | AlienX, thats not it |
| 21:34.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: so i just need to replace three randomly chosen strings of the left oen with plastic strings, and all is perfect? |
| 21:34.50 | abrotman | resiak: also notice the neck on the left one isn't as wide |
| 21:35.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: hrm .. if no permanent damage has been done |
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| 21:35.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: do you have a music shop near you ? |
| 21:35.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: plenty yeah |
| 21:36.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: take it to them .. ask them .. it looks classical .. but could be a bizarre acoustic variant .. and while you're there .. ask them to string it .. (assuming the metal strings haven't totally bent the neck) |
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| 21:36.35 | resiak | abrotman: True... |
| 21:36.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: however .. it is a nice looking instrument |
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| 21:36.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you read the tag on the inside ? |
| 21:36.49 | lightseek | AlienX, any other ideas? |
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| 21:36.59 | Unuma678 | hey! that's wierd.. I can't view some files in my mounted windows partition (ntfs), that encoded in hebrew, how come?.. what can i do to see them? |
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| 21:37.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes, let me read it |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | resiak: also notice .. no queer circular decoration around the sound hole on his |
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| 21:37.13 | AlienX | lightseek, i'm not sure. kppp is a gui but i'm not exactly sure what you're looking for |
| 21:37.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can make wonderful music with it! wonderful i tell you |
| 21:37.19 | resiak | abrotman: True. |
| 21:37.39 | lightseek | AlienX, looking for the application that loads a gui login application for kppp |
| 21:37.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. but if it's a classical .. and you've strung it with acoustic .. your repair bill will suck :) |
| 21:37.40 | bleaked | could someone please give me a rough estimate average install time for a standard desktop debian install? (let's say, from booting the install disk to say, using a graphical web browser [obviously a fully configured system takes a little more time]) |
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| 21:38.06 | AlienX | lightseek, hmm, not sure |
| 21:38.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: and while it's at the shop .. they may be able to adjust your intonation if they think it's messed .. most places have some kind of "tune-up" deal .. |
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| 21:38.24 | lightseek | AlienX, ok |
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| 21:38.32 | abrotman | bleaked: not enough info |
| 21:38.45 | scyrma | using debian kernel (2.6.14), I'd like to know why my wireless interface is sometimes eth0 and sometimes eth1 when I boot... how can I use the 'interfaces' file if the interface is not constant? |
| 21:38.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: built in the heart of bavaria, model 501I, s/n 17352 62C |
| 21:38.59 | bleaked | abrotman: ok..what more do you need? |
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| 21:39.46 | abrotman | bleaked: your preferred desktop and your ISP speed |
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| 21:40.15 | b0xy | anyone ever used m0n0wall? |
| 21:40.18 | b0xy | or SME Server |
| 21:41.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you pay for that guitar ? |
| 21:41.29 | bleaked | abrotman: well, i'm still deciding if i want to stay with my beloved xfce4 or jump to the ever-so-talked-up kde 3.5b. my net connection averages about 700KB/s down..so that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 21:41.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: is the manufacterer name on it anywhere ? |
| 21:41.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's a gift ;) (it cost like $40, from the market) |
| 21:41.49 | abrotman | bleaked: under an hour i'd say |
| 21:41.50 | mz_64 | buildt java w/ make-jpk as recommended by dpkg but java doesn't work - common error: Atom was 0 |
| 21:41.50 | mz_64 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException: Failed to retrieve atom name. |
| 21:42.07 | stouset | bleaked: Why go to KDE from XFCE? |
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| 21:42.38 | scyrma | b0xy, yeah, I used m0n0wall for some time |
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| 21:42.44 | bleaked | stouset: i have a lot of kde fiends, and they have made a decent argument..at least enough to give it a try.. |
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| 21:42.54 | SimonRaven | i go from xfce to openbox to kde to gnome and back all the time |
| 21:42.55 | b0xy | scyrma: you like it? |
| 21:43.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: well there is a golden globe with a guitar on it and some logo i can't read "Tramiy" or "Framus" or something |
| 21:43.28 | bleaked | stouset: plus, i haven't tried kde since < 3.0 |
| 21:43.31 | wang | how do i install a .bin file? |
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| 21:43.44 | stouset | bleaked: No harm in trying. Personally I think it's too disorganized and full of clutter. And I hate how you can never figure out what buttons do until you hover over each one for 2-3 seconds for the tooltip to come up. :P But to each his own. |
| 21:44.02 | scyrma | b0xy, yeah! |
| 21:44.07 | beardy | wang: What is it? |
| 21:44.14 | stouset | I keep telling myself I'll try it out, do so, and remember why I don't use it :\ |
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| 21:44.17 | wang | beardy : java from sun.com |
| 21:44.21 | b0xy | scyrma: I'm thinking of switching to it from IPCop |
| 21:44.24 | b0xy | you tried that? |
| 21:44.29 | wang | beardy : java from java.com |
| 21:44.30 | tarzeau | mike_sol: nice ;) tried GNUstep stuff too? |
| 21:44.34 | elephantman | How can i check which dependencie a package need ? |
| 21:44.34 | mike_sol | but of course |
| 21:44.53 | roral | mike_sol: or until it dies. *rimshot* |
| 21:44.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah must be Framus |
| 21:44.58 | zepeuga | can anyone tell me a program that speaks with a voice, a text that i've wrote ? |
| 21:45.00 | scyrma | b0xy, we liked that it supports mppe compression.. usefull for connection to "non-linux" systems using remote desktop.. |
| 21:45.01 | stouset | elephantman: use aptitude |
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| 21:45.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i would certainly take it to a guitar shop .. the only reference i can find suggests that in good condition .. that may be the best gift you've ever gotten :) |
| 21:45.06 | wang | how do i install a .bin file that i downloaded from java.com |
| 21:45.09 | stouset | zepeuga: festival |
| 21:45.13 | scyrma | using encrypted tunnels.. |
| 21:45.21 | chad_ | it looks like someone got in to my stable system through the awstats vulnerability, so I am trying to reinstall |
| 21:45.26 | beardy | wang: /msg dpkg java-package and /msg dpkg java |
| 21:45.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh :) sweet |
| 21:45.43 | zepeuga | stouset, thx |
| 21:45.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: but take it to someone to have looked at .. it's better to have them at least tell you if a luthier needs to patch it up |
| 21:45.47 | bleaked | stouset: i've had similar experiences in the past, but like i said, the latest kde looks somewhat promising. a lot of it too was when i tried out the SLAX livecd, which runs kde, and i was really shocked at how fast the livecd was, and how well kde ran on it. (i'm using a p3 550, 196mb ram) |
| 21:45.47 | stouset | abrotman: What is it? |
| 21:45.58 | abrotman | stouset: a guitar |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | stouset: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/guitar.jpg .. on the left |
| 21:46.04 | chad_ | partman is reporting my existing partitions incorrectly: specifically it lists a drive that should be /dev/hda as being at /dev/hde and vice versa |
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| 21:46.22 | scyrma | b0xy, no experience with IPCop |
| 21:46.23 | stouset | abrotman: Aye, just wondering what's so special about it. |
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| 21:46.39 | scyrma | anyone using wifi with stock debian kernels? |
| 21:46.45 | AlienX | beardy, chmod a+x *bin file. cd /usr/lib/java; su; sh /path/to/binfile; cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/; ln -s /usr/lib/java/j2re-1.5/i386/plugins/ns7/libjava* or something along those lines :) |
| 21:46.47 | stouset | scyrma: Aye. |
| 21:46.49 | chad_ | how can I get it to have the proper information? |
| 21:46.58 | scyrma | I really wonder with it sometimes appear on eth0 and some other times on eth1 ... |
| 21:47.03 | wang | how do i install a .bin file that i downloaded from java.com |
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| 21:47.08 | stouset | AlienX: Or just use make-jpkg :P |
| 21:47.13 | elephantman | Why can't i get a 'generic' LAN driver ? |
| 21:47.14 | stouset | wang: apt-get install java-package |
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| 21:47.18 | beardy | AlienX: I didn't ask. |
| 21:47.20 | wang | how do i install a .bin file that i downloaded from java.com |
| 21:47.20 | stouset | wang: Then read the documentation. |
| 21:47.22 | elephantman | Fitting every lan card but at low speed |
| 21:47.25 | AlienX | stouset, but why would you do it the easy way? ;) |
| 21:47.27 | abrotman | stouset: it's possibly hand built from about 60 years ago .. but there's not enough info |
| 21:47.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know some software for over internet team speak? to play guitar remotely? |
| 21:47.32 | beardy | wang: Read what we tell you. |
| 21:47.34 | stouset | abrotman: Nice. |
| 21:47.36 | AlienX | beardy, sorry, i didn't realize Wang asked |
| 21:47.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: not really .. |
| 21:47.39 | beardy | wang: And do what we say. |
| 21:47.53 | abrotman | stouset: the history suggests the original luthier was hired by gibson :) |
| 21:47.53 | wang | i downloaded this from java.com, there shouldn't be a reason why i can't install this one i have |
| 21:47.59 | wang | i'm on dialup, these downloads are lofty |
| 21:48.09 | blondie | wang: make it executable and run it |
| 21:48.14 | AlienX | wang, read what i wrote above |
| 21:48.21 | beardy | wang: Then do it. Read the documentation where you downloaded it from if you don'twant answers. |
| 21:48.31 | port7 | wang: you basicially run the .bin file and then move what it extracts to the appropriate places on your system |
| 21:48.39 | stouset | wang: You have two options. Do what someone else told you, and execute the goddamned bin file, or install java-package and use that to manage the Java package from Sun as a Debian package. |
| 21:48.39 | abrotman | stouset: erm .. sorry .. 50 years |
| 21:48.49 | stouset | abrotman: Only 50? I'm not impressed any more. |
| 21:48.52 | blondie | such people need deleting |
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| 21:48.58 | mike_sol | alienx, could you please give me step by step instructions on how to follow step by step instructions |
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| 21:49.10 | wang | blondie : thank you for answering my question. |
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| 21:49.15 | abrotman | stouset: my classical is only 35 :( |
| 21:49.17 | stouset | mike_sol: 1) Follow step 1. 2) Follow step 2... |
| 21:49.32 | mike_sol | i think we may need a recursive function here |
| 21:49.32 | blondie | UH OH |
| 21:49.38 | blondie | yes |
| 21:49.40 | stouset | abrotman: Mine was a gift to me from a friend who never ended up playing. Can't tell whether or not it's any good quality, but it desperately needs to be restrung. |
| 21:49.48 | AlienX | mike_sol, sure: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 21:49.59 | blondie | function followInstructions(){ followInstructions(); } |
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| 21:50.04 | stouset | mike_sol: 1) Follow step 1. 2) Follow step 1, then step 2. 3) Follow step 1, then step 2, then step 3... |
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| 21:50.10 | bleaked | so one other question, i've been using gentoo now for two years [*ducks*] and have grow quite accustomed to it. i have always wanted to try debian, but have never actually done it since there was no need. i have a new system now that i want to throw deb on. will being in the portage mindset make apt confusing, or will apt pleasantly surprise me? |
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| 21:50.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd be interested to hear what the guitar shop guy says .. and i'd take it to a place that may deal in used/valuable instruments .. they may know more |
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| 21:50.38 | AlienX | bleaked, apt and synaptic make your life very easy :) |
| 21:50.39 | wang | if you can remember apt-get and apt-cache you shouldn't have a problem |
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| 21:50.40 | stouset | bleaked: Impossible to answer that :P apt is, at a glance, just portage without having to actually compile source. |
| 21:50.42 | beardy | bleaked: Try and see. |
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| 21:50.52 | fbi | bleaked: dpkg shits on emerge, all day long. |
| 21:50.54 | wwallace_lap | http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Apple.html |
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| 21:51.02 | peterS | bleaked: it really depends on your expectations. debian packaging is nothing like portage, because there's no expectation that users will ever customise their source or compile options |
| 21:51.03 | stouset | bleaked: Of course, we happen to think it's a lot more flexible with a lot better frontend tools for it, not chief of which because it's been around for a decade. |
| 21:51.34 | mike_sol | we don't need to be quite so antagonistic. you may like apt because it take infinitely less time than compiling. most of the same software is available. debconf makes config files more friendly. |
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| 21:51.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: does it look like http://www.ioffer.com/i/Vintage-Framus-Guitar-Made-New-England-circa-1960s-6293379 |
| 21:51.42 | beardy | Every package also has a source package. |
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| 21:51.47 | peterS | bleaked: we feel no need for user-specific compile options, because most computers are pretty similar after all, and Debian maintainers try to build packages such that they'll be useful for almost everyone |
| 21:51.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: the inside i mean |
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| 21:51.53 | GmLB | upon reboot, my box keeps trying to fsck /dev/sda which isn't initialized until later (when the kernel module for my RAID controller is loaded). I booted up and ran fsck manually on the |
| 21:51.53 | GmLB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.00 | mike_sol | yes. if you really really want to build stuff from source, you can. |
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| 21:52.09 | stew | !apt-gentoo |
| 21:52.09 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
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| 21:52.15 | elephantman | Well last thing, how can i know which kernel module need my AX850Pro Ati card ? |
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| 21:52.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: exactly! |
| 21:52.18 | peterS | bleaked: of course, in debian you *can* recompile anything you want, quite easily, but there's no simple way to customise your compile - i.e., there's no *point* in recompiling |
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| 21:52.34 | wwallace_lap | !knoppix |
| 21:52.34 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 21:52.48 | AlienX | elephantman, you're probably going to need the open source nvidia drivers |
| 21:52.58 | bleaked | dpkg: haha |
| 21:53.01 | wwallace_lap | if knoppix doesnt run debian what knoppix runs? |
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| 21:53.07 | bleaked | :] |
| 21:53.11 | stouset | peterS: Not to mention, there's no real reason to compile "specific features" into a package. If you build everything in, or make those features available just as additional packages to download, you have all the same advantages, and none of the disadvantages (recompile everything if you change one build option...) |
| 21:53.13 | fbi | opensource nvidia drivers for an ati? |
| 21:53.23 | AlienX | wwallace_lap, kanotix is closer to debian, not knoppix |
| 21:53.25 | stouset | stew: ROFL |
| 21:53.32 | SimonRaven | walhala_: knoppix |
| 21:53.37 | AlienX | fbi, eeek! I meant ati drivers |
| 21:53.54 | SimonRaven | wwallace_lap: knoppix |
| 21:53.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 21:53.58 | SimonRaven | walhala_: sorry |
| 21:54.00 | AlienX | elephantman, you want the open source ati drivers rather :) |
| 21:54.05 | beardy | AlienX: Debian is Debian, others are not. |
| 21:54.06 | elephantman | :) |
| 21:54.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes it's exactly like that |
| 21:54.19 | AlienX | beardy, i didn't say it was debian |
| 21:54.31 | stouset | wwallace_lap: Knoppix is Knoppix and is not Debian, much like FreeBSD is FreeBSD and not OpenBSD. |
| 21:54.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. it seems fairly old .. and hopefully yours is in better condition |
| 21:54.35 | beardy | AlienX: I didn't say you did. |
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| 21:54.53 | AlienX | beardy, then why are you telling me like i'm some sort of ignoramous? :) |
| 21:54.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah it looks beautiful |
| 21:55.07 | chad_ | is anyone able to help me with my problem? |
| 21:55.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. take it to a place that works with instruments .. not just a guitar shop .. |
| 21:55.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's in lovely hands now |
| 21:55.20 | stouset | chad_: How would we know? You haven't asked. |
| 21:55.24 | beardy | AlienX: How "close" it is doesn't really matter, not in here anyway. |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask them to look it over .. and ask them if it needs any repairs |
| 21:55.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: oki ;) |
| 21:55.40 | wwallace_lap | sh: infobas2h: command not found |
| 21:55.46 | wwallace_lap | sh: infobas2h: command not found |
| 21:55.49 | beardy | AlienX: I meant no offense. |
| 21:55.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: you think this is older than i? |
| 21:55.54 | bleaked | you know, i really dig the deb philosophy, but honestly you know what's been keeping me away from deb this whole time? the debian documentation. yes, it is thorough and accurate, but it's not nicely formatted in clear, bulleted, highlighted, colorized xml files. i also really like the gentoo forums. what is the best deb equivalent? |
| 21:55.55 | AlienX | beardy, none taken |
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| 21:56.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're 25 ? |
| 21:56.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: 27 |
| 21:56.11 | AlienX | beardy, i've got a pretty thick skin :) |
| 21:56.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd say yes |
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| 21:56.27 | wwallace_lap | df: `/media/mp3j/hdb1': Input/output error |
| 21:56.29 | wwallace_lap | Host/Kernel/OS "KANOTIX_AT_LAPTOP" running Linux 2.6.14-kanotix-2 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 LITE-RC15-KANO AND COMPANY ROCKS ] |
| 21:56.29 | wwallace_lap | CPU Info Celeron (Coppermine) clocked at [ 766.825 MHz ] |
| 21:56.29 | wwallace_lap | Videocard Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 X.Org 6.8.2 [ 1024x768 @60hz ] |
| 21:56.29 | bleaked | yes it's aesthetics, but it makes a difference to a new user.. |
| 21:56.29 | wwallace_lap | Network cards Xircom Cardbus Ethernet 10/100, at port: 1800 |
| 21:56.29 | wwallace_lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.31 | wwallace_lap | Processes 70 | Uptime 1:33 | Memory 177.555/181.699MB | HDD IBM-DJSA-210 Size 6GB (50%used) | Client X-Chat 2.4.5 | Infobash v2.50rc7 |
| 21:56.33 | GmLB | Does anyone know what boot script controls FSCKING? |
| 21:56.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh ;) |
| 21:56.38 | AlienX | wwallace_lap, whoah, don't flood |
| 21:56.48 | wwallace_lap | oops sorry wrong room |
| 21:56.49 | peterS | bleaked: in debianland we use mailing lists instead of forums. I don't see any advantages of a web forum, frankly, so I'm always puzzled when people want them |
| 21:56.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framus .. notice .. bankruptcy at the end of the 70s |
| 21:56.52 | wwallace_lap | my apologies |
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| 21:57.14 | RoEn | hello |
| 21:57.24 | RoEn | Host/Kernel/OS "laptop" running Linux 2.6.14-kanotix-3 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 LITE ] |
| 21:57.25 | RoEn | CPU Info Mobile Intel Pentium 4 - M clocked at [ 1791.568 MHz ] |
| 21:57.25 | RoEn | Videocard nVidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] X.Org 6.8.2 [ 1024x768 @75hz ] |
| 21:57.26 | RoEn | Network cards VIA VT6102 [Rhine-II], at port: d000 |
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| 21:57.35 | chad_ | strouset: <chad_> partman is reporting my existing partitions incorrectly: specifically it lists a drive that should be /dev/hda as being at /dev/hde and vice versa |
| 21:57.43 | beardy | bleaked: Then you can contribute by writing such documentation, if you think it is useful and will help others. |
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| 21:58.11 | bleaked | peterS: i don't like email, and are mailing lists easily searchable? (sorry if this is a dumb question) |
| 21:58.15 | abrotman | !ops RoEn |
| 21:58.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: RoEn |
| 21:58.35 | RoEn | :D |
| 21:58.46 | antgel | grinning like a goon |
| 21:59.14 | chad_ | stouset: <chad_> partman is reporting my existing partitions incorrectly: specifically it lists a drive that should be /dev/hda as being at /dev/hde and vice versa |
| 21:59.16 | chad_ | (sorry) |
| 21:59.20 | beardy | RoEn: /join #kanotix, and find a pastebin before you say anything in there |
| 21:59.32 | abrotman | like it was a mistake |
| 21:59.46 | RoEn | beardy: sry , it was only a test :) |
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| 21:59.56 | antgel | RoEn: a test of what exactly? |
| 21:59.57 | RoEn | bye |
| 22:00.00 | abrotman | see |
| 22:00.02 | abrotman | fucking ass |
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| 22:00.11 | bleaked | beardy: oh, i know, and i think i will once i'm accustomed to this distro. it just sucks trying to dive into something and my eyes are hurting looking at the plain text which i tend to skim instead of noticing key points. seriously, go through the gentoo handbook, it's sexy, easy and intuitive. i only wish i didn't have to compile so much.. le sigh. |
| 22:00.12 | RoEn | test from infobash |
| 22:00.19 | RoEn | of |
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| 22:00.54 | stouset | chad_: I see. And why should it be /dev/hda and not /dev/hde? |
| 22:01.03 | stouset | chad_: Also in question, why would it matter? :\ |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | i frequently join channels and fill them full of garbage as a test .. especially when no ops are about |
| 22:01.10 | antgel | abrotman: you seen kingsley_'s stats for swearing? |
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| 22:01.17 | chad_ | because that is what IDE slot it is connected to |
| 22:01.21 | beardy | bleaked: Which documentation are you talking about? The reference is quite "bulleted" and such, and in html if you want that. |
| 22:01.25 | abrotman | antgel: fucking christ i've seen kingsley_ 's stats |
| 22:01.30 | stouset | abrotman: It's a fun pasttime. |
| 22:01.41 | stouset | abrotman: fucking christ, that is. |
| 22:01.49 | antgel | abrotman: you're "king cunter" :) |
| 22:01.50 | stouset | abrotman: As well as joining a channel and pasting random crap. |
| 22:01.51 | chad_ | stouset: I don't know that it does matter, but it seems a bit frightening |
| 22:01.53 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite antgel |
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| 22:01.54 | dpkg | antgel: You're nothing but a c*nt sh*tting j*rk! |
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| 22:02.03 | wwallace_lap | !lol |
| 22:02.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:02.21 | RoEn | hi wwallace_lap greetings ;) |
| 22:02.32 | wwallace_lap | whats wreong with being an aol user is this room prejudeice about other networks? |
| 22:02.33 | *** part/#debian gedasg_ (n=gedasg@azuoline.andernetas.lt) |
| 22:02.34 | abrotman | wow .. two kanotix tards pasting the same garbage .. who'd have thought |
| 22:02.38 | blondie | nothing wrong with lol |
| 22:02.41 | wwallace_lap | hi RoEn |
| 22:02.47 | wwallace_lap | and please dont flood |
| 22:02.54 | blondie | (and it's not meant to sound like laughter...) |
| 22:02.56 | stouset | wwallace_lap: Basically, yes. |
| 22:02.57 | RoEn | ;) |
| 22:03.07 | antgel | abrotman: interestingly jesus and blowjobs are defined as swearing. tits too |
| 22:03.14 | stouset | antgel: And Guinness. |
| 22:03.24 | abrotman | antgel: so is crap .. and a few other dumb ones .. but i'm not the one doing the counting |
| 22:03.40 | stouset | abrotman: You know, I should do some stats tracking like that. It could be a contest. |
| 22:03.40 | wwallace_lap | i would like to declare myself an aol user also i just shit in my pants and nobody can do anything about it............ |
| 22:03.57 | stouset | abrotman: The winner gets +v for five minutes a week, while the channel is moderated. |
| 22:04.01 | antgel | abrotman: i wonder if funbags is in the list. the whole thing is rather unsettling |
| 22:04.09 | stouset | abrotman: And gets to inflate their word count by as much as they want. |
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| 22:04.40 | stouset | I'm actually kind of surprised that nobody who made the list uttered any really nasty ones, like racial slurs or anything. |
| 22:04.46 | bleaked | beardy: well, what document would you recommend for a first time deb user..just the standard install doc on debian.org? |
| 22:04.47 | stouset | Those would be totally neat. Fucking whiteys. |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | stouset: heh |
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| 22:04.59 | abrotman | stouset: they probably aren't counted |
| 22:05.17 | antgel | stouset: i'm not surprised at all |
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| 22:05.21 | TheCount | *summseldidelsum* |
| 22:05.28 | stouset | abrotman: Well someone send kingsley_ a .patch |
| 22:05.30 | antgel | !tell bleaked about grounding |
| 22:05.32 | RoEn | thx and bye |
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| 22:05.46 | stouset | yw and by |
| 22:05.52 | wwallace_lap | !fick |
| 22:06.06 | djp | is ftp or sftp installed by default under debian? |
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| 22:06.24 | blondie | djp: sftp just needs ssh doesn't it? |
| 22:06.25 | abrotman | djp: server or client ? |
| 22:06.38 | roral | djp: no, not usually default |
| 22:06.44 | roral | servers, at least |
| 22:06.57 | wwallace_lap | does that guy sussudio still lives here or he got a life? |
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| 22:07.09 | stouset | I am cracking up over the apt-gentoo post :) |
| 22:07.11 | djp | abrotman, client |
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| 22:07.50 | blondie | djp: yes it does |
| 22:08.02 | antgel | abrotman: let's go to #kanotix and type "hilarious" stuff in engrish! |
| 22:08.07 | blondie | djp: both |
| 22:08.15 | abrotman | djp: ftp maybe .. sftp .. no |
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| 22:08.26 | blondie | abrotman: does have sftp |
| 22:08.35 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: do you ahve a problem with sussudio? |
| 22:08.38 | Esaj | what do people recommend for encrypted backup tools? |
| 22:08.43 | djp | thanks blondie |
| 22:08.45 | wwallace_lap | hes an asshole thats all |
| 22:08.45 | abrotman | blondie: scp .. not sure about sftp |
| 22:08.48 | beardy | bleaked: what antgel had dpkg tell you |
| 22:08.49 | Esaj | or just incremental backups in general |
| 22:08.51 | blondie | abrotman: has both :) |
| 22:08.54 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: he's a what ? |
| 22:08.57 | wwallace_lap | i just wanted to know if he got a life yet |
| 22:09.06 | blondie | I just did a new install with no optional extras and it's there |
| 22:09.08 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: why don't you like him ? |
| 22:09.09 | wwallace_lap | AN ASSHOLE AS IN ASSHOLE GOT THAT? |
| 22:09.14 | Kerr | I'm trying to share my net connection with my laptop. I finaly got my laptop to connect to my pc (i'm in it via ssh now) and it can resolve hostnames to ip's, but the internet is dead to it. Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 22:09.19 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: what did he do to you? |
| 22:09.29 | loca|host | is there anybody who's experienced using sourceforge.net, i'm new on it, i've imported my project into my sf.net cvs repo and i need to package it so it can be downloadable on the sf.net's site |
| 22:09.45 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: did he make you cry ? |
| 22:09.47 | wwallace_lap | forget it abrotman is an old story |
| 22:09.51 | wwallace_lap | i was just curious |
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| 22:10.03 | antgel | wwallace_lap: you can't leave us hanging for more detail like that |
| 22:10.04 | Gnea | wwallace_lap: do your cherrios still have a pissy flavor? |
| 22:10.05 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: did he drink all your beer ? |
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| 22:10.20 | wwallace_lap | i cried ?....hmmmmmm......actually i think i did of emotion while i was fucking his mother |
| 22:10.25 | beardy | loca|host: Sourceforge probably has a channel here on freenode, try asking in there instead. |
| 22:10.44 | fbi | someone make it go away |
| 22:10.55 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: did he eat all your oreos ? |
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| 22:11.04 | elephantman | sanoj_away: so if i don't install this "yaird" my kernel compiled with "make-kpkg --initrd" wont work ? |
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| 22:11.22 | elephantman | sanoj_away: i am talking about my 2.6.14 kernel |
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| 22:11.48 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: why don't you like him ? |
| 22:12.06 | wwallace_lap | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.17 | beardy | wwallace_lap: You must have done something to upset him. |
| 22:12.20 | peterS | elephantman: 2.6.14 doesn't support some of the old initrd tools, so yaird is the preferred method of building an initrd for it |
| 22:12.22 | abrotman | why? .. are you scared of sussudio ? |
| 22:12.58 | setog3 | I need to buy a hd for a little server (Proxy/ftp/samba) with a debian, must I buy two sata (for making raid1) or two ide , or only one ide ? |
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| 22:13.24 | beardy | WHo? |
| 22:13.26 | abrotman | fbi: he's not even a good troll ... |
| 22:13.31 | peterS | setog3: if you want RAID-1, you need at least 2 drives. if not, you don't. |
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| 22:13.47 | fbi | abrotman: i wasn't expecting a whole lot, to tell you the truth |
| 22:13.48 | elephantman | peterS: The problem is that i have no way except burning cd to get yaird for my system - so how can i know which initrd tool i got to see if 2.6.14 can handle it ? |
| 22:13.53 | peterS | setog3: the exact *kind* of drive is really your choice |
| 22:13.57 | cougar` | Hey all: What would allow me to mount my home directory on my Linux box via samba without any password being supplied? But trying to connect to a different home directory requires one (password). This occurs on a Windows XP Machine and Mac OS X machine |
| 22:13.57 | abrotman | fbi: why .. he got kanotix installed! |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:14.11 | fbi | kanotix heh |
| 22:14.19 | abrotman | cougar`: ask #samba .. but i think you can make it anonymous |
| 22:14.21 | fbi | yet another based on debian that i will never use |
| 22:14.21 | peterS | elephantman: if you get it wrong, your kernel won't boot, so you'd best keep another kernel configured in your boot loader so you can boot that |
| 22:14.32 | cougar` | THanks |
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| 22:15.11 | peterS | elephantman: best option is to go out and buy one of those USB stick things, and use that for file transfer |
| 22:15.17 | peterS | elephantman: much handier than CD-R media |
| 22:15.22 | dood | Or use an FTP account. |
| 22:15.32 | peterS | dood: he can't use his NIC until he upgrades his kerenl |
| 22:15.35 | peterS | dood: so that's kind of out |
| 22:15.39 | wwallace_lap | df: `/media/mp3j/hdb1': Input/output error |
| 22:15.39 | dood | Oh right. |
| 22:15.41 | wwallace_lap | Host/Kernel/OS "KANOTIX_AT_LAPTOP" running Linux 2.6.14-kanotix-2 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 LITE-RC15-KANO AND COMPANY ROCKS ] |
| 22:15.41 | wwallace_lap | CPU Info Celeron (Coppermine) clocked at [ 766.825 MHz ] |
| 22:15.41 | wwallace_lap | Videocard Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 X.Org 6.8.2 [ 1024x768 @60hz ] |
| 22:15.41 | dood | Lame! |
| 22:15.41 | wwallace_lap | Network cards Xircom Cardbus Ethernet 10/100, at port: 1800 |
| 22:15.43 | wwallace_lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.45 | wwallace_lap | Processes 70 | Uptime 1:52 | Memory 178.219/181.699MB | HDD IBM-DJSA-210 Size 6GB (50%used) | Client X-Chat 2.4.5 | Infobash v2.50rc7 |
| 22:15.46 | fbi | dood: /me oo |
| 22:15.49 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 22:15.49 | elephantman | peterS: yes great idea |
| 22:15.49 | peterS | wwallace_lap: never do that again |
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| 22:15.56 | abrotman | caphuso: you beat me to it :) |
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| 22:16.32 | abrotman | ha! .. he only has a 6GB HDD! :) |
| 22:16.34 | setog3 | peterS, I don't know if raid0 is necessary , ok if the dd crash .. the cyber café will lost a day (or more I think) , but I haven't any dd crash for now, so this month I buy only one dd, and next month I buy one more , with different dd can I make easy raid1 ? |
| 22:16.37 | peterS | elephantman: those USB sticks come in quite handy, it's $30 well spent |
| 22:16.40 | caphuso | abrotman: well, i was prepared... i had my "op me" already prepared :) |
| 22:17.00 | abrotman | caphuso: i thought he would flip out about sussudio first .. but he didn't .. ah well |
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| 22:17.23 | peterS | setog3: it's possible, but a bit awkward, to convert a system from a single drive to two drives in RAID-1. it can be done with no downtime except for a reboot, but as I said it's a bit clumsy. |
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| 22:17.42 | caphuso | peterS: clumsy? |
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| 22:18.00 | caphuso | peterS: you clone the partition table and reboot |
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| 22:18.07 | antgel | peterS: i made so many systems unbootable doing that before i wrote the steps down :) |
| 22:18.18 | setog3 | peterS, ok thx I go to buy a 100 go seagate (ide) no objection ? |
| 22:18.22 | peterS | caphuso: that doesn't get you RAID-1, that gets you two partitions on two drives |
| 22:18.24 | fbi | cx: don't irc as root |
| 22:18.30 | fbi | wtf is with users doing that lately |
| 22:18.59 | xwolf | fbi: they cant login in kdm, so they do it as root ;) |
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| 22:19.12 | caphuso | peterS: why? after the reboot the kernel will start to sync the second disk and then you're done |
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| 22:19.36 | beardy | yeah.. |
| 22:19.39 | peterS | caphuso: have you tried it? it's not that simple. you need an appropriate RAID superblock on the second drive |
| 22:19.55 | peterS | caphuso: and on the first drive, for that matter |
| 22:19.57 | caphuso | peterS: sure |
| 22:19.58 | setog3 | peterS, you give me fear now .. |
| 22:20.07 | xwolf | :-$ |
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| 22:20.46 | peterS | caphuso: if you don't have a RAID superblock on the original drive, it's not at all trivial to convert the system to RAID-1. well, it's not *hard* but you do have to know exactly what you're doing |
| 22:21.19 | caphuso | peterS: well, i managed it without ever starting to sweat |
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| 22:21.43 | peterS | setog3: I don't know if debian-installer can do this for you automatically (probably not), but what you'd really want to do is to create a RAID partition on the first drive before you install at all. the idea is that you tell the system you've got a RAID-1 array, with two drives, only one of them is missing |
| 22:21.46 | caphuso | peterS: and afterwards i thought "hey, that was easy!". we might have different definitions of "trivial" :) |
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| 22:22.23 | peterS | caphuso: I don't think I would have any trouble with it, but it's not the sort of thing that is easy to explain to a n00b |
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| 22:22.33 | rooto | hi |
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| 22:22.38 | abrotman | caphuso: ^^ |
| 22:22.41 | peterS | caphuso: the filesystem size has to change to accommodate the RAID superblock, for one thing |
| 22:22.44 | klync | where would i find a pkg's post-install script? |
| 22:22.54 | abrotman | klync: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 22:22.57 | abrotman | erm .. |
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| 22:23.00 | rooto | why u kicked me out? |
| 22:23.02 | rooto | !u |
| 22:23.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:23.15 | RichiH | heh |
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| 22:23.23 | rooto | hmm |
| 22:23.28 | rooto | here we go~ |
| 22:23.31 | abrotman | RichiH: kline! :) |
| 22:23.39 | abrotman | caphuso: so close :) |
| 22:23.42 | caphuso | damn |
| 22:24.08 | klync | abrotman: thank you kindly |
| 22:24.10 | setog3 | ok thx peterS , if I understand when I do the install I make like a raid1 install , and say , Oh the second disk is'nt here now , sorry but do what I say ! |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | i knew people from jersey were dumb .. but ffs |
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| 22:24.35 | peterS | setog3: that's the problem, I don't think debian-installer lets you do that in any kind of automated way. you'd have to set it up manually. |
| 22:25.05 | RichiH | abrotman: left, anyway |
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| 22:25.49 | klync | ok, i've asked in #mysql, i've checked the postinst script... anyone know the syntax for "grant shutdown..." such as the debian-sys-maint account has? in the install script, it just inserts that into the user table, it doesn't use "grant" |
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| 22:26.05 | abrotman | RichiH: he's still in #kanotix :) |
| 22:26.18 | fbi | abrotman: whatever, sherlock. |
| 22:26.30 | abrotman | fbi: you're the damn fbi .. oh wait .. that explains that |
| 22:26.31 | fbi | inspector clueseau over here |
| 22:26.32 | dondelelcaro | klync: probably because mysql doesn't support that option in the grant syntax. Just insert it manually. |
| 22:26.35 | beardy | heh |
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| 22:26.43 | foo | bah. My system still blanks the screen ... I can't figure out what it is that is doing it. I've done setterm -blank 0 ... and xset -dpms ... still blanks out. I am using fluxbox with debian, any ideas? |
| 22:26.47 | fbi | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 22:26.50 | peterS | setog3: something like: mdadm -C -l1 -n2 /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 missing |
| 22:26.53 | abrotman | mmm .. yay! |
| 22:27.01 | fbi | heart pills bwah |
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| 22:27.06 | klync | dondelelcaro: heh... thanks, i didn't want to mess that one up, and the manual wasn't clear about that... thanks |
| 22:27.19 | peterS | setog3: ...though I'm not sure if the last word 'missing' is correct. this comes after you create a partition table that includes hda1 as a RAID partition |
| 22:27.35 | marculix | foo: xset s noblank? |
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| 22:28.08 | asterix | hello |
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| 22:28.32 | foo | marculix: That returned nothing. I'll give it a few minutes and see if it worked ... thanks |
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| 22:29.54 | klync | yay! |
| 22:29.57 | marculix | foo: xset q (for more information about blanking) |
| 22:30.04 | foo | marculix: hmm, thanks |
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| 22:30.29 | tarzeau | how to read xset m settings? |
| 22:30.39 | tarzeau | and did they get changed between woody and sarge? |
| 22:30.43 | vipe | would it be possible to change the ringbuffer size on the fly, or would it require a reboot in any way? (kernel.msgmnb if 'm nog mistaken) \\ kernel.osrelease = 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:30.57 | vipe | s/nog/not/ |
| 22:31.20 | tarzeau | vipe: man dmesg |
| 22:31.59 | setog3 | peterS, ah .. if I have a debian system install without raid1 , I buy a new hd I can go in raid1 without need to reinstall all the system ? (sorry I think I must go reading the raid1 documentation) .. but I don't understand all , I can modify the flag on the partition table without crash ? |
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| 22:32.05 | tarzeau | vipe: oh wait, why does it matter if you can find it in /var/log also? |
| 22:32.24 | dood | I don't appear to have OGG Vorbis support in my XMMS; can somebody name the package I need to save me looking please? =P |
| 22:32.28 | peterS | setog3: yes, though the steps to do so are a little bit complicated to explain. it can be done with just one reboot, but you have to know what you're doing |
| 22:32.38 | peterS | dood: apt-cache search xmms ogg |
| 22:32.51 | beardy | !tell dood about search |
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| 22:33.10 | dood | I know about it. =P I was just hoping somebody could say "get X package". |
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| 22:33.15 | dood | Thanks though. |
| 22:33.16 | laurens_ | hi |
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| 22:33.20 | laurens_ | I have selected a font in xfontsel |
| 22:33.21 | tarzeau | dood: we can also look if there's combestiles in your fridge for you if you want |
| 22:33.26 | laurens_ | how can I get xterm to use it? |
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| 22:33.27 | vipe | tarzeau: I'm have some strange issues while starting syslog-ng. for example: "CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL is of unaccepted value." ; "KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value." |
| 22:33.40 | dood | I'm no stragner to sarcasm tarzeau. |
| 22:33.42 | peterS | dood: oh, probably you should install 'libvorbis0a' and 'libvorbisfile3' and 'libogg0' from the Recommends: line of xmms |
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| 22:33.46 | setog3 | ok thx for help peterS |
| 22:33.48 | Vivaldi | i am searching for a maintained linux distribution on livecd specific for games, only games. do you have any idea? |
| 22:33.56 | dood | Thanks peterS. |
| 22:34.10 | gravity | Vivaldi: I think gentoo made one but you should ask about that in #gentoo |
| 22:34.19 | dfarshmag | I dont get any channels in channels list!! I want to join the agnula channel but says it doesn't exist can anyone help me plz??? |
| 22:34.25 | tarzeau | comestibles, even |
| 22:34.34 | blondie | comestibles meaning? |
| 22:34.42 | dood | I wasn't going to point the spelling error out. |
| 22:35.02 | dood | Basically food blondie. |
| 22:35.03 | tarzeau | blondie: adj : suitable for use as food [syn: {edible}, {eatable}] [ant: {inedible |
| 22:35.11 | beardy | Vivaldi: also try to google, there were some xmame livecd, don't remember the name though, and don't know if it's still maintained |
| 22:35.12 | blondie | oh, is it american? |
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| 22:35.18 | Guerin | blondie: no, it's english |
| 22:35.18 | dood | No, English. |
| 22:35.19 | dood | =P |
| 22:35.45 | jetspyd | how can i move from stable to test? |
| 22:35.48 | Guerin | vit'ls would be american, if only in pronunciation |
| 22:35.51 | tarzeau | see, play nethack and you can impress blondies |
| 22:35.56 | Guerin | jetspyd: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 22:36.10 | beardy | jetspyd: When you perhaps should, you will know how. Why do you want to do that? |
| 22:36.15 | tarzeau | blondie: you must be blonde ;) |
| 22:36.16 | Guerin | blondie: apparently not impressed by english words either |
| 22:36.19 | tarzeau | blondie: it's ENGLISH heh ;) |
| 22:36.36 | blondie | yeah, but not used much in England, evidently. |
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| 22:37.08 | Guerin | blondie: not used much anywhere, but do you only know common words? |
| 22:37.11 | jetspyd | Guerin, thannx |
| 22:37.13 | laurens_ | qfirefox |
| 22:37.15 | laurens_ | oops :P |
| 22:37.22 | blondie | Guerin: nope |
| 22:37.24 | fevel | why does pppoeconf lose configuration every time I boot?? |
| 22:37.39 | vipe | tarzeau: any idea? \\ I haven't found much, yet, on google |
| 22:37.39 | antgel | tarzeau: hey, how you doing? wtf was that telnet thing you posted the other day with the nethack game on it? |
| 22:37.47 | jetspyd | beardy, to have the lastest soft |
| 22:37.49 | Guerin | fevel: i bet it's because you don't save the config to a file |
| 22:37.56 | tarzeau | vipe: no idea really |
| 22:38.01 | beardy | I feared that. |
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| 22:38.05 | tarzeau | antgel: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 ? |
| 22:38.10 | vipe | tarzeau: np. thx anyway |
| 22:38.12 | tarzeau | antgel: realtime nethack tv ? |
| 22:38.13 | antgel | tarzeau: *nod* |
| 22:38.33 | jetspyd | beardy, that's not good? |
| 22:38.40 | antgel | tarzeau: three words that don't belong in the same sentence in my world |
| 22:39.11 | beardy | tarzeau: heh, cool |
| 22:39.32 | beardy | jetspyd: well, stable is called stable for a reason, and the other names also have meaning |
| 22:39.40 | foo | Hmm, I am in fluxbox with debian ... there is no default screen safer, right? |
| 22:39.49 | antgel | beardy: only a beardy would find that cool :) |
| 22:40.15 | TheCount | "Debian comes in three flavours - stale, rusting and broken." .. *duck* ;) |
| 22:40.18 | mike_sol | foo, xscreensaver is your friend |
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| 22:40.20 | SerajewelKS | can i restrict network access by process? |
| 22:40.23 | beardy | antgel: perhaps.. :) |
| 22:40.27 | jetspyd | beardy, so what? i would expect some crashes or something else? |
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| 22:41.28 | Guerin | TheCount: that makes two flavours more than most distros |
| 22:41.28 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: with something like vserver, yes. there are some ways with iptables as well, I think, but I'm not entirely sure right now. |
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| 22:41.39 | beardy | jetspyd: We'll see. Go ahead if you want. |
| 22:41.41 | TheCount | Guerin: whatever those 'distros' are, but - yeah ;) |
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| 22:41.55 | Guerin | TheCount: see, there you go getting metaphysical again |
| 22:42.00 | beardy | jetspyd: crashes, no, probably not. |
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| 22:42.41 | jetspyd | beardy, and what could happen? |
| 22:42.44 | TheCount | Guerin: nah, not really. I'm just wondering why my Debian NM application is stuck in 'Advocate Check' - I want to help ;) |
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| 22:42.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:43.09 | Flamethrower | Hello everyone. |
| 22:43.12 | Flamethrower | Guerin, got video to work ^^ |
| 22:43.30 | Flamethrower | All I now have to do is get my 5.1 surround sound to work. |
| 22:44.03 | Guerin | Flamethrower: yay! |
| 22:44.19 | foo | Hmm, why is debian's unstable xchat version old (and exploitable)? |
| 22:44.33 | mike_sol | foo, say it aint so |
| 22:44.50 | antgel | foo: if you think there is an issue, raise a bug |
| 22:44.57 | mike_sol | 2.4.5 is the version i am not running |
| 22:45.13 | antgel | mike_sol: nice box you have here :P |
| 22:45.14 | tarzeau | foo: because xchat is a drop in 15000 other drops |
| 22:45.19 | tarzeau | foo: and it's not the most important one |
| 22:45.28 | foo | mike_sol: I am not either... a friend won't move to debian because the old packages |
| 22:45.32 | foo | Was just wondering.. |
| 22:45.41 | Flamethrower | Guerin - Had to reinstall debian. |
| 22:45.54 | mike_sol | he could always build one that's newer ;s |
| 22:45.57 | Flamethrower | Apparently, when I installed x-window-system, it was corrupt. |
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| 22:46.35 | Flamethrower | If I can figure out how to recompile my kernel to have nvidia support built in, I plan on doing it. |
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| 22:47.08 | fbi | !nvidia one liner |
| 22:47.09 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 22:47.26 | Flamethrower | I already have the nvidia drivers installed, fbi. |
| 22:47.56 | beardy | Flamethrower: He answered your question. |
| 22:48.15 | Flamethrower | That does not recompile the kernel, it creates the nvidia one. |
| 22:48.57 | Flamethrower | Brb, dog needs let out. |
| 22:49.20 | smcavoy | hello. I am trying to use debmirror and am getting different results on two systems. both are sarge using the sarge included debmirror script. One system is fine, it gets the correct dists. the other insists on added testing to the downloads. |
| 22:49.24 | smcavoy | command line is debmirror /data/debian/debian --nosource --host=ftp-mirror.internap.com --method=ftp --dist=woody,sarge --root=pub/debian --progress -v |
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| 22:49.39 | smcavoy | I've tried the identical cmd line on each system |
| 22:49.42 | smcavoy | any ideas? |
| 22:50.03 | foo | Someone is telling me debian's packages are old. What are your guys stance on this? Are they? |
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| 22:50.29 | Technel | When I installed X, I chose the VIA drive rather than the default one that I normally use (seeing as how it is actually a VIA product). However, now when I try to startx it says that no monitors/display devices were found. How do I reconfigure X? |
| 22:50.50 | fbi | !drxx Technel |
| 22:50.51 | dpkg | Technel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:51.02 | pureone | sarge only gets security updates foo so some of the software is old |
| 22:51.06 | Technel | fbi: Thanks |
| 22:51.07 | smcavoy | foo: depends. stable's packages don't change while sid's are updated daily if not hourly |
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| 22:52.21 | foo | smcavoy: Is unstable sid? |
| 22:52.44 | stouset | foo: yes |
| 22:52.47 | smcavoy | foo: yes. don't be put off entirely by that. |
| 22:52.59 | foo | smcavoy: I use debian, this is my friends excuse... just looking into it |
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| 22:53.24 | fevel | posso misturar repositorios stable com testing?? |
| 22:53.32 | RichiH | !it |
| 22:53.33 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:53.37 | smcavoy | well remember that latest != stable whatever the distro |
| 22:53.53 | corp-mule | wooowhoo woowho who |
| 22:54.22 | bonz | smacnay: unless it's mickey$oft :) |
| 22:54.45 | Flamethrower | Back. |
| 22:54.58 | smcavoy | :) |
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| 22:55.27 | fevel | can I mix Stable and testing repositories?? |
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| 22:56.04 | bonz | fevel: depends on how you meen mix? |
| 22:56.24 | fevel | bonz: I mean in sources.list |
| 22:56.30 | foo | smcavoy: Yeah, I know that |
| 22:56.31 | muhoo | what brand of DLT-IV tape do y'all recommend? |
| 22:56.32 | foo | Hmm, I see a grey background with a big X on it ... I think this is a screen saver. How can I disable it? |
| 22:56.40 | muhoo | imation, HP, sony, ?? |
| 22:56.46 | bonz | fevel: sure if you want too break it :) |
| 22:56.51 | gravity | foo: That's X |
| 22:57.13 | roral | fevel: mixing different debian releases is always dangerous. |
| 22:57.22 | mike_sol | muhoo, ive been using fujis with good success |
| 22:57.29 | foo | gravity: ah, how can I get rid of that? |
| 22:57.33 | mike_sol | well those are sdlts never mind |
| 22:57.34 | fevel | what if I need to install a certain package from stable or unstable?? |
| 22:57.39 | gravity | foo: You don't want to run X? What do you want to do? |
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| 22:58.15 | foo | gravity: I do.. but this screen saver came on after a few minutes.. or so it seems |
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| 22:58.30 | gravity | hrm... that doesn't make sense |
| 22:58.31 | Marticus | I write this in procmail, (foo|bar|baz), how can it be written in maildrop? |
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| 22:58.49 | gravity | foo: That's the screen you get when you run X by itself |
| 22:58.53 | fas3r | hi all |
| 22:58.55 | bonz | foo: just whiteout over the x, that'llearn it |
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| 22:59.01 | foo | gravity: no, it's the screen I get after I let x run for a few minutes |
| 22:59.04 | roral | fevel: You're running testing? |
| 22:59.11 | fevel | yes |
| 22:59.13 | gravity | foo: The cursor is an X or there's an X on the background? |
| 22:59.21 | beardy | gravity: can X run by itself? |
| 22:59.29 | gravity | beardy: You mean with no wm? Sure. |
| 22:59.39 | gravity | beardy: Very useful for games that demand a lot :-) |
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| 22:59.46 | gravity | Just run xnest to see for yourself |
| 22:59.51 | gravity | Or startx -- :1 |
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| 22:59.52 | foo | gravity: X in the background ... well, not really the background. The whole screen is grey ... and there is just a big X. I think it's some screen saver |
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| 22:59.59 | roral | fevel: Packages from stable are almost always in testing as well. And packages from unstable are risky because of the possibility of library incompatibility and other things |
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| 23:00.05 | fas3r | i have a problem with mplayer ... i want to make the fullscreen mode ;. i press F ... it's work but it wasn'thave the zoom .. |
| 23:00.05 | bonz | foo: you sure it aint just the root window & the few minutes is your x loading :) |
| 23:00.09 | beardy | gravity: I thought you had to use the default wm (whose name I do not remember right now) |
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| 23:00.13 | foo | bonz: yes.. |
| 23:00.24 | gravity | foo: Ok... I don't know that screensaver. What wm are you running? |
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| 23:00.35 | mike_sol | gravity, is it really much faster? i can't imagine a situation where you're running a linux game that actually needs enough horsepower that you'd take off the WM. i mean if you're running stuff like Unreal 2K4 you're probably not slowed down by a wm |
| 23:00.38 | gravity | beardy: You can simply put an empty ~/.xsession and it'll load with nothing |
| 23:00.52 | gravity | mike_sol: Back in the day, it was *very* useful for running Q3 |
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| 23:00.55 | antgel | beardy: twm |
| 23:01.02 | beardy | gravity: What loads then exactly? |
| 23:01.04 | fevel | roral: yes, but for example...I need to burn cds and I could only find cdrdao for k3b in unstable |
| 23:01.05 | beardy | antgel: yes |
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| 23:01.11 | gravity | beardy: If ~/.xsession is empty? Nothing. |
| 23:01.14 | mike_sol | stupid Q3 binary sharchive never ran for me |
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| 23:01.23 | beardy | gravity: twm runs |
| 23:01.27 | gravity | eh? |
| 23:01.32 | foo | gravity: fluxbox. ok, now the screen just went blank |
| 23:01.32 | gravity | Let me check... |
| 23:01.34 | beardy | doesn't it? |
| 23:01.35 | foo | (black) |
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| 23:02.01 | beardy | No X to check on here at the moment.. |
| 23:02.08 | obake | hello.. i set up 2 ip's on 1 lan card.. how can i tell my browser, for example, which IP should it use? |
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| 23:02.20 | mike_sol | obake, using routes |
| 23:02.21 | gravity | beardy: No. Like I told you. |
| 23:02.23 | SerajewelKS | obake: routing rules |
| 23:02.28 | mike_sol | mwhaha beaten |
| 23:02.28 | gravity | beardy: Do I really have to explain it again? |
| 23:02.39 | SerajewelKS | obake: so you have eth0 and eth0:1? |
| 23:02.40 | beardy | gravity: Again? |
| 23:02.40 | gravity | foo: Check and see if you're running xscreensaver or beforelight |
| 23:02.43 | roral | fevel: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=cdrdao says the latest version is in testing. |
| 23:02.46 | obake | SerajewelKS: eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 23:02.49 | stouset | fas3r: You need to use the xv output |
| 23:02.52 | xnet | how do i change my sources for apt-get? |
| 23:02.53 | foo | gravity: Neither |
| 23:02.56 | foo | gravity: Just did a ps aux |
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| 23:03.00 | stouset | fas3r: Go to preferences, it's the Video tab, I believe. |
| 23:03.02 | SerajewelKS | obake: okay. by default i think it uses whichever interfaces comes up first that has a gateway |
| 23:03.07 | mike_sol | obake, you set the default gateway to be an ip on the network the interface you want to use is on |
| 23:03.08 | SerajewelKS | obake: so if that's eth0, you should be set |
| 23:03.24 | mike_sol | just type 'route' and youll see what it is now |
| 23:03.34 | fevel | Is mountpy the only package for automounting usb devices?? |
| 23:03.35 | obake | SerajewelKS: yeah, it's using the eth0 ip, i want it to use the eth0:0 one |
| 23:03.36 | gravity | beardy: Hrm... maybe I only thought I explained it |
| 23:03.46 | gravity | foo: Ok, I have no idea what screensaver it could be then |
| 23:03.53 | obake | mike_sol: in my route table, both gw are configured as default |
| 23:03.57 | fas3r | i have found i use -vo xv option it's right |
| 23:04.02 | mike_sol | obake they will have metric |
| 23:04.04 | foo | gravity: I checked ps aux when the screen went blank ... I am going to let the machine sit and let it come back on |
| 23:04.06 | SerajewelKS | obake: then either swap the configs, or get rid of eth0's gateway |
| 23:04.11 | mike_sol | and if the metrics are equal then it will go with the first one, iirc |
| 23:04.14 | gravity | beardy: The X scripts look for ~/.xsession. If they find it, they run whatever is in there and that's all. If there's nothing there, they only run X by itself because there's nothing in ~/.xsession to be run |
| 23:04.27 | mike_sol | so yeah swap the order of them being configured, for an easy quickfix |
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| 23:04.45 | beardy | gravity: Well, you answered, and I got it perfectly, I just wasn't sure if X could run by itself, or what exactly it was that would run then. |
| 23:04.55 | gravity | beardy: Just try it |
| 23:05.05 | gravity | Although for some reason 6.9 RC2 doesn't seem to like running with no wm |
| 23:05.06 | foo | stouset: xchat in sid is 1 version old .. hmm. No big deal, just saying |
| 23:05.08 | gravity | Not sure why |
| 23:05.11 | obake | mike_sol: i can't swap the order.. but both metric are 0.. how can i change that? |
| 23:05.15 | Frankablu | How do I tell dpkg to stop trying to install an application? |
| 23:05.20 | beardy | gravity: As I said, not possible at the moment, therefore I asked. Thanks for the answers. |
| 23:05.22 | SerajewelKS | obake: you can swap the other |
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| 23:05.32 | stouset | fevel: gnome-volume-manager |
| 23:05.38 | SerajewelKS | obake: vi /etc/network/interfaces and change eth0 to eth0:0, and eth0:0 to eth0 |
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| 23:05.52 | SerajewelKS | obake: or, as i said, don't specify a gateway for eth0 |
| 23:05.53 | obake | SerajewelKS: weirdly, the main IP has to be 200.128.62.4, i don't know why.. if i swap it stops working, and i can't ping the gateway |
| 23:05.54 | stouset | fevel: it's not really tied to gnome, like the name would have you believe. |
| 23:05.59 | obake | i don't know why it happens |
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| 23:06.16 | Frankablu | I can't guarrentt that a package can be installed sucessfully in my enviroment, so I need to be able to tell dpkg to stop trying |
| 23:06.34 | fevel | stouset: so if I use another window manager it would still work?? |
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| 23:06.50 | stouset | fevel: That would be exactly what I just told you, yes. |
| 23:07.04 | mfrisch | Frankablu you want to hold back packages I think. |
| 23:07.10 | xnet | where is the file with the websites that apt-get uses? |
| 23:07.12 | stouset | fevel: Just check the dependencies. All it does is automount stuff, and run user-configurable programs. |
| 23:07.20 | fbi | xnet: man sources.list |
| 23:07.23 | antgel | !tell xnet about reference |
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| 23:07.38 | Frankablu | mfrisch: Everytime I install another package it tries to go back to installing a failed package. |
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| 23:07.42 | cougar` | Hey all, in my samba's user database, there are some default users I wish not to be there. Can I get rid of them? i.e.: games, bind, proxy, www-data, news, bin, mail, gnats, backup, irc |
| 23:07.54 | SerajewelKS | Frankablu: dpkg -r that-package |
| 23:07.54 | stouset | antgel: dpkg knows nothing about reference |
| 23:08.08 | Frankablu | SerajewelKS: mfrisch: Thanks |
| 23:08.09 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: those are groups |
| 23:08.15 | stouset | cougar`: Those are groups |
| 23:08.18 | mfrisch | Frankablu you want need to fix that then. dpkg --confifure -a |
| 23:08.25 | antgel | !reference |
| 23:08.26 | dpkg | hmm... reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 23:08.41 | stouset | antgel: never mind :) I did a /msg dpkg reference and got nothing back. |
| 23:08.43 | antgel | cougar`: yes |
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| 23:08.52 | cougar` | SerajewellKS: They say unix username |
| 23:09.03 | cougar` | But I can get rid of them? |
| 23:09.17 | cougar` | Okay, good |
| 23:09.31 | stouset | cougar`: They are groups. Yes, you can get rid of them. No, there's not really a point, and you have better things to do with your time, I suspect. |
| 23:09.41 | cougar` | true :P |
| 23:09.46 | fevel | stouset: gnome-volume-manager didnt mount my pendrive :( |
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| 23:09.56 | stouset | fevel: Are you running udev? |
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| 23:10.51 | roral | cougar`: see 'man groupdel' if you really must. ;) |
| 23:10.57 | stouset | fevel: If you just installed it, you will need to reboot. udev, sadly, is one of maybe two things I've ever seen a reboot needed for. |
| 23:11.05 | cougar` | LOL roral :P |
| 23:11.51 | mfrisch | cougar` usually groups are there for a reason |
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| 23:12.05 | stouset | mfrisch: Obviously, to piss off sysadmins with too much time on their hands :) |
| 23:12.31 | cougar` | LOL |
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| 23:12.41 | cougar` | Hey, I don't have that much time, I'm doing this while I'me ating.... |
| 23:12.48 | cougar` | Actually the truth is this .... |
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| 23:13.27 | stouset | So you lied to us the first time? |
| 23:13.27 | cougar` | My mac OS X machine is hanging when trying to connect to my Linux home directory, if I explicitly use the smb:// protocol, it will connect. But it won't do it natively. |
| 23:13.31 | garret_ | hiya |
| 23:13.37 | stouset | :) |
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| 23:13.40 | garret_ | are there any knoppix users? |
| 23:13.48 | mfrisch | not hear |
| 23:13.48 | stouset | garret_: Plenty. In #knoppix. |
| 23:13.50 | mfrisch | here |
| 23:13.51 | cougar` | Well iw as eating ! :P |
| 23:13.55 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 23:13.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:13.56 | dondelelcaro | cougar`: what do you mean by "natively" |
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| 23:14.09 | foo | gravity: There... it's here again... this time darker grey background with big white X. No xscreensaver or beforelight |
| 23:14.10 | stouset | cougar`: Isn't that a problem in OS X itself? :\ |
| 23:14.11 | garret_ | oki |
| 23:14.14 | garret_ | thx |
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| 23:14.49 | mike_sol | i turned knoppix into debian once from within, because i had to |
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| 23:15.02 | mike_sol | i don't reccomend it to anyone, the init scripts were never right |
| 23:15.09 | cougar` | dondelelcaro : There is a networks shortcut in Mac OS X finder, and when you click on it, it shows the local machines, when I click on my server, it allows me to connect by giving me a connect button. When I click on it, the Mac OS X finder hangs and I don't think it un hangs until I relaunch the Finder |
| 23:15.24 | pok | in debian, at the cli, if i type in say tar , what key can i press to cycle through all the previous times that i type in tar? i used page-up on gentoo |
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| 23:15.43 | cougar` | stouset : I don't know bud, I've been busy searching and searching on Mac OS X discussions to see if it's been reported, but the search is too borad. |
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| 23:15.46 | cougar` | err borad* |
| 23:15.50 | cougar` | err broad* grrrr! |
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| 23:16.12 | mad_moses | how can i stop die sound daemon under sarge? |
| 23:16.12 | stouset | cougar`: You could attempt to install a better operating system. |
| 23:16.18 | cougar` | HEY |
| 23:16.21 | antgel | cougar`: what stouset said |
| 23:16.23 | cougar` | Don't bash Mac OS X |
| 23:16.27 | cougar` | LOL |
| 23:16.29 | stouset | cougar`: You know, like Microsoft Windows XP 2003 Professional Edition Deluxe .NET Academic Version. |
| 23:16.39 | antgel | cougar`: like cp/m |
| 23:16.45 | cougar` | You're crazy |
| 23:16.46 | stouset | antgel: OS/400! |
| 23:16.47 | mfrisch | cougar` bsd is bsd whatever you call it |
| 23:16.53 | sfullenwider | Does anyone know of a work around to grub's configurerer crashing? How do you get grub to redo the mbr like you do with lilo? |
| 23:16.54 | beardy | pok: And you haven't tried the UpArrow yet? |
| 23:16.56 | SerajewelKS | win 3.1? |
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| 23:17.00 | mike_sol | i had CP/M on this old Kaypro machine. it was the first black computer i'd ever seen |
| 23:17.14 | stouset | sfullenwider: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:17.16 | blondie | cougar`: who cares about OS X - go to that channel |
| 23:17.21 | SerajewelKS | 3.1 is the only windows i can still tolerate |
| 23:17.27 | cougar` | Saying there is a better operating system than Mac OS X then suggestiong Windows XP, anything microsoft, that just scares me. |
| 23:17.34 | gravity | foo: I dunno. I'm fresh out of ideas. If it's really a screensaver, afaik it's one of those two |
| 23:17.41 | cougar` | LOL |
| 23:17.42 | stouset | cougar`: Or you could use Emacs./ |
| 23:17.44 | foo | gravity: hmm, thanks |
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| 23:17.45 | mfrisch | cougar` debian ppc |
| 23:17.46 | cougar` | I use all 4 |
| 23:17.50 | mad_moses | is it possible to stop the sound daemon? |
| 23:17.54 | SerajewelKS | shad0wcat: you and what rootkit? |
| 23:18.13 | roral | WinME. *cringes* |
| 23:18.14 | shad0wcat | SerajewelKS: the one you installed when you attempted to play that sony cd |
| 23:18.14 | gravity | foo: If you want to put your process list in a pastebin I could look at that... |
| 23:18.16 | stouset | mad_moses: There is more than one sound daemon. You're going to have to tell us which one you have. |
| 23:18.24 | foo | gravity: thanks |
| 23:18.25 | gravity | foo: You could also check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 23:18.28 | stouset | !ops roral mentioned WinME. At the very least, he deserves a /kick :\ |
| 23:18.28 | SerajewelKS | shad0wcat: excuse me, buti use debian =P |
| 23:18.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: roral mentioned WinME. At the very least, he deserves a /kick :\ |
| 23:18.33 | mad_moses | i dont know i think the standard |
| 23:18.35 | mad_moses | stouset, |
| 23:18.46 | stouset | mad_moses: There's no standard. Are you using GNOME? KDE? |
| 23:18.47 | foo | gravity: https://notix.ath.cx/psaux.txt |
| 23:18.49 | foo | gravity: Thanks |
| 23:18.52 | gravity | stouset: Don't abuse that |
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| 23:18.59 | antgel | cougar`: why do you think microsoft are a bad corporate machine and apple are soft, warm and cuddly? |
| 23:19.00 | roral | stouset: oy, shad0wcat did before I did. :P |
| 23:19.03 | stouset | gravity: But it was fun :\ |
| 23:19.07 | RichiH | stouset: if anyone deserves a kick, iot's you |
| 23:19.12 | shad0wcat | !abuse |
| 23:19.12 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 23:19.15 | stouset | shad0wcat: Bastard. |
| 23:19.16 | RichiH | stouset: nope, it's not |
| 23:19.26 | mfrisch | hey How is testing these days for a desktop...stable I mean? |
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| 23:19.33 | shad0wcat | mfrisch: err no |
| 23:19.37 | antgel | mfrisch: *sigh* |
| 23:19.37 | stouset | RichiH: Indeed, it was. |
| 23:19.42 | mike_sol | i would argue apple is more evil than microsoft in many ways. they take from open source and give little back; they lock you into hardware, while microsoft runs on any x86 gear. |
| 23:19.47 | mad_moses | stouset, kde and gnome, atm kde |
| 23:19.54 | mfrisch | so not yet ;-) |
| 23:20.03 | stouset | mad_moses: Can you do a "ps aux | grep arts" |
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| 23:20.12 | RichiH | stouset: well, the important thing is: please don't do it again |
| 23:20.13 | RichiH | afk |
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| 23:20.28 | mad_moses | stouset, mom |
| 23:20.32 | sfullenwider | update-grub changed settings in menu.lst that I edited...how do I edit them without the xwindows configure tool (which crashes if I try to change anything)? |
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| 23:20.40 | mentor | stouset: You've just pissed of all the ops in the channel. Bad plan. |
| 23:20.41 | stouset | RichiH: Sorry to rouse you from your slumber. |
| 23:20.45 | stouset | mentor: Probably :\ |
| 23:20.46 | antgel | mike_sol: you know that. i know that. i was wondering what cougar` thinks. you should have seen the lemming in the apple store today. lifestyle my arse |
| 23:21.00 | mad_moses | stouset, Debian:/home/philipp# ps aux | grep arts |
| 23:21.00 | mad_moses | philipp 3980 0.0 0.8 21056 7292 ? S Nov15 0:01 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 23:21.00 | mad_moses | root 4521 0.0 0.0 1884 688 pts/1 R+ 00:22 0:00 grep arts |
| 23:21.12 | beardy | At least there are some here to piss off, something good at least. |
| 23:21.14 | mike_sol | antgel, i turned this chick i know into an apple whore and now i wish i hadnt |
| 23:21.15 | gravity | foo: Yeah, I can't see anything in there that looks suspcious really... |
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| 23:21.22 | cheal | stouset: oh, wait, others already said it |
| 23:21.24 | stouset | mad_moses: Ack, don't paste in channel. You'll distract the mods' ire from me onto yourself. |
| 23:21.27 | Kerr | i've been told i need to use snat for my laptop to get to the net (i'm ssh'd to my pc from it now, trying to share the net with the laptop) but no idea how to do that.. any ideas? |
| 23:21.33 | stouset | cheal: S'okay, join in. |
| 23:21.39 | antgel | mike_sol: at least she's a whore |
| 23:21.47 | mike_sol | antgel, not even! |
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| 23:22.00 | mad_moses | stouset, ok but how can i stio arts now? |
| 23:22.02 | stouset | mad_moses: kill `pidof artsd` |
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| 23:22.10 | mad_moses | ok |
| 23:22.13 | stouset | mad_moses: you need to be root, or use sudo. |
| 23:22.23 | stouset | mad_moses: Scratch that. You can do it as your normal user. |
| 23:22.32 | SerajewelKS | stouset: no arts runs in userspace |
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| 23:22.42 | antgel | i haven't seen about half of the ops ever |
| 23:22.43 | SerajewelKS | stouset: bah.. lag, sorry |
| 23:22.51 | stouset | SerajewelKS: you mean as an unprivileged user :) |
| 23:23.02 | stouset | SerajewelKS: I mean, it *does* run in userspace, but that wasn't the blunder |
| 23:23.04 | foo | gravity: Weird. I wonder what it is. Any idea what I should do? |
| 23:23.17 | stouset | foo: Install a real operating system? :\ |
| 23:23.22 | cougar` | AntGel : My argument would be this : What Mike Sol is correct. I'm not even going to argue that, I can't. But I have used Mac OS X, I have used Windows XP, infact still using both. And the problems with Windows XP far exceeds problems with Mac OS X. I've been in this business for a long time. I would not rely on a Windows XP machine over a Mac machine. A Windows machine's quality, software wise, is far different than say software on M |
| 23:23.24 | stouset | foo: On a more serious note, what's the problem? |
| 23:23.38 | SerajewelKS | stouset: right... i was just assuming you thought that arts ran as root and therefore needed to be killed by root |
| 23:23.43 | cougar` | But if you have your mind made up, there is no changing the mind. |
| 23:23.51 | foo | stouset: There is this screen saver coming on ... grey background with big white X, and I cannot figure out how to turn it off |
| 23:23.55 | fbi | install a real operating system? he's running Debian. wtf. |
| 23:23.57 | foo | stouset: Or what the heck is causing it |
| 23:24.03 | foo | fbi: heh, I know. I just left it alone |
| 23:24.05 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: i like OS X better than windows, but i think it still sucks |
| 23:24.07 | gravity | foo: Is this Debian? |
| 23:24.11 | gravity | Or some derivative? |
| 23:24.14 | foo | gravity: debian |
| 23:24.18 | foo | :) |
| 23:24.24 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: i spend about a half hour figuring out how to kill a full-screen app that was hanging |
| 23:24.26 | foo | I've heard you guys get some ubuntu users, though |
| 23:24.38 | cougar` | Now granted, those who use a Windows XP machine and are experts, still fall at the mercy of the operating system, which requires you to reinstall your Operating system every 3 months because of the *quality* |
| 23:24.39 | antgel | cougar`: didn't mention software quality. mentioned organisational culture. alternative my arse. they are at least as anti-competitive as microsoft, all dressed up in a fluffy bunny suit |
| 23:24.44 | gravity | foo: You could try a different wm... I don't know. |
| 23:24.53 | foo | gravity: nah, I want fluxbox |
| 23:24.53 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: on windows you do ctrl+alt+del. i was unable to find *any* similar key combination for OS X on google after an hour. |
| 23:24.54 | stouset | foo: In...teresting. |
| 23:25.01 | cougar` | SerajewelKS : Hehe, well yeah. I can see that. |
| 23:25.04 | fbi | foo: what's in your ~/.xsession |
| 23:25.05 | foo | stouset: yeah, https://notix.ath.cx/psaux.txt |
| 23:25.07 | stouset | foo: can you paste a ps aux somewhere? |
| 23:25.08 | gravity | foo: Well, I'm not saying *keep* the other wm, just test another to see if it's in flux |
| 23:25.15 | stouset | foo: that was quick. |
| 23:25.22 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: i had to resort to F11 (show desktop), run a terminal, and use ps to find the badboy and kill |
| 23:25.30 | foo | stouset: :P .. I had it for gravity :) |
| 23:25.31 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: not exactly elegent |
| 23:25.47 | antgel | cougar`: i can only speak for myself, but i have never had to reinstall a winxp machine every 3 months. the only one i have left has had the same install for 3 years. |
| 23:25.55 | cougar` | SerajewelKS : Ahh you locked up in a Full Screen .... did command shift escape work? |
| 23:26.04 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: no, it did not |
| 23:26.07 | cougar` | err command-option escape |
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| 23:26.24 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: i tried every combination of command, option, that-other-key, shift, and escape |
| 23:26.26 | cougar` | AntGel : Was the machine your primary machine? |
| 23:26.33 | cougar` | Sera : Hmmmm |
| 23:26.33 | SerajewelKS | oh, control |
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| 23:26.45 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: i suspect this full-screen app was grabbing it |
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| 23:26.56 | stouset | foo: hot damn...haven't you heard of a music player? :) SCREEN -S music, /bin/sh /public/bash/song.sh ... |
| 23:26.59 | cougar` | I don't know, what was the name of the app? |
| 23:27.01 | stouset | foo: Not seeing anything there :\ |
| 23:27.06 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: which effectively makes the idea of that combination useless |
| 23:27.08 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: VNCViewer |
| 23:27.09 | antgel | cougar`: i don't know what that means, but it is a laptop that has had enough use to have cracks in the case |
| 23:27.12 | stouset | foo: Is this a console screensaver? |
| 23:27.16 | stouset | foo: Or a WM one? |
| 23:27.35 | cougar` | Ahhhh |
| 23:27.37 | resiak | Is this #osx? |
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| 23:27.45 | stouset | resiak: on occasion. |
| 23:27.52 | fbi | resiak: i was thinking #bearcave |
| 23:27.57 | foo | stouset: I am in fluxbox .. hmm, don't think it's console |
| 23:27.59 | beardy | resiak: everything but what it says in oyur client |
| 23:28.03 | beardy | your |
| 23:28.13 | foo | stouset: haha, yeah... song.sh plays the song and just sends mplayer's output to /dev/null ... :P |
| 23:28.30 | cougar` | SerajewelKS : Command-tabbing didn't even work. Strange |
| 23:28.39 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: expose didn't do crap either |
| 23:28.50 | cougar` | Yeah it woudn't of. |
| 23:28.53 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: because apparently VNCViewer full-screen does not use a window, it paints on the screen. or something. |
| 23:28.55 | stouset | foo: I mean, does it lock your WM session? Or is this a console screensaver that locks the console after non-use |
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| 23:29.19 | cougar` | SerajewelKS : But you can't fault OS X if 3rd party software decides to do something out of the ordinary. |
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| 23:29.43 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: so you're saying that an OS should not provide recovery from a full-screen app that hangs? |
| 23:29.44 | stouset | foo: Ah! |
| 23:29.45 | foo | stouset: hmm, when I move the mouse it just goes back to fluxbox ... don't think it locks it with a password. |
| 23:29.49 | stouset | foo: gkrellm has a screensaver. |
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| 23:29.54 | stouset | foo: might that be it? |
| 23:29.55 | foo | haha, really? |
| 23:29.59 | stouset | foo: gkrellshoot |
| 23:30.08 | stouset | foo: gkrellshoot - Plugin for gkrellm to lock the screen and make screenshots |
| 23:30.08 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: at least on linux we can switch to a VT and kill it |
| 23:30.18 | mike_sol | i love the VT switching |
| 23:30.22 | cougar` | Antgel : I just meant is it the machine you use everyday. I talk to many high end gammers that only use their machiens for games, and their machines remain stable. I talk to others that use their machines for everything under the sun the machine becomes very unstable. Now, I know there are factors.... |
| 23:30.29 | mike_sol | when i used solaris it drove me nuts to only have one console |
| 23:30.40 | Guerin | mike_sol: man screen |
| 23:30.49 | foo | stouset: I don't think I installed that |
| 23:31.05 | mike_sol | Guerin, i've always meant to learn screen, but my brain has not got enough space right now |
| 23:31.05 | cougar` | Like, is the person maintaining the computer - antivirus, spyware detectors, etc. But if the operating system was done correctly, you woudn't need to rely on that. |
| 23:31.27 | antgel | cougar`: i hate microsoft as much as the next sane individual, but even i think that if you are going to make statements such as winxp users need to reinstall every three months, you need some facts. |
| 23:31.52 | Flamethrower | Haha |
| 23:31.55 | Flamethrower | I've never reinstalled XP. |
| 23:31.56 | antgel | cougar`: *nod* about the maintainance, but we get enough people in here hosing their debian boxes through ignorance |
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| 23:32.03 | cougar` | I am primary a Mac user. Then I am a Windows user, then I am a Debian user. Why, because I grew up on Mac. I am tech support for Windows when I meet with my friends online and play America's Army. Debian is last because it's my server. I don't do alot with it. But you know what... |
| 23:32.06 | mike_sol | _stupid_ winxp pre-sp2 users need to reinstall every couple months |
| 23:32.10 | mith | cougar`: i have an xp install that's been on a box since sp1 was released, so um, you're just wrong |
| 23:32.12 | stouset | foo: Can't hurt to check. |
| 23:32.26 | mith | cougar`: and it was only reinstalled with sp1 because i replaced the hardware about that time. |
| 23:32.34 | foo | stouset: Anyway to check to see if I have that installed? Although, I really don't think I do |
| 23:32.34 | cougar` | If a person who didn't know anything about computers were to ask me for advice which to buy, I tell them to buy a PC. Because it has the most documentation and resources out there. |
| 23:32.35 | Flamethrower | I've used XP Since it came out, never had to reinstall. |
| 23:32.47 | Flamethrower | The only time I opted to reinstall is when I bought XP Pro SP2 |
| 23:32.53 | Guerin | mith: why should you have to reinstall your OS when you replace hardware? |
| 23:32.54 | fbi | seriously. who cares. |
| 23:33.13 | mith | Guerin: because i replaced the entire fucking system |
| 23:33.14 | cougar` | hehe fbi |
| 23:33.18 | Guerin | mith: so? |
| 23:33.21 | mike_sol | Guerin, i never got that - it's like as though there are a couple different kernels for windows, or something |
| 23:33.25 | cougar` | We are having a nice conversation. Conversation is good. |
| 23:33.26 | Flamethrower | If you replace the mobo, it is a real pain in the ass to salave your system. |
| 23:33.28 | Ronin | Guerin: depends on teh hardware, motherboards are about the only one i reinstall on |
| 23:33.35 | Flamethrower | Exactly |
| 23:33.36 | mith | Guerin: so what? you expect a blank harddrive to magically boot? |
| 23:33.39 | Flamethrower | Everything except mobo is easy. |
| 23:33.39 | fbi | cougar`: this channel isn't about mac, or windows either |
| 23:33.41 | Guerin | Ronin: but why should you have to? |
| 23:33.57 | Guerin | mith: you couldn't put the old drive in and be up to speed in ten minutes? |
| 23:34.00 | mith | Guerin: i know what you're getting at, but you picked the wrong example. |
| 23:34.04 | stouset | foo: dpkg --get-selections | grep gkrellshoot |
| 23:34.05 | mith | Guerin: the old drive died. |
| 23:34.05 | Flamethrower | mith... put in second hard drive. copy first to second. edit mbr to show correct hdd settings. replace 1 with 2 and remove 1. boot. |
| 23:34.08 | Ronin | Guerin: replace the board or reinstall? reinstall as what are the odds of you getting an exact copy for a replacement |
| 23:34.09 | cougar` | fbi : But it's idle chat. No one is asking for help. WHat else are we supposed to do? Twiddle our thumbs? |
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| 23:34.12 | mith | Guerin: any more questions? |
| 23:34.23 | foo | server:/etc/icecast2# dpkg -l | grep -i gkrellshoot |
| 23:34.23 | foo | server:/etc/icecast2# |
| 23:34.24 | foo | stouset: ^^ |
| 23:34.26 | Guerin | mith: are you always this defensive? |
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| 23:34.30 | beardy | And for long conversations one-on-one, use /msg. |
| 23:34.32 | Guerin | mith: :) |
| 23:34.34 | mith | Flamethrower: right, because that works very well when the old drive is DEAD |
| 23:34.41 | alcy | olá |
| 23:34.47 | fbi | cougar`: i really don't care what you do. the ops in here will give you shit about being off topic, like you are right now. talk about whatever you like. |
| 23:34.48 | mike_sol | howdy |
| 23:34.50 | foo | stouset: hmm, guess it's not that. Any more ideas? |
| 23:34.50 | alcy | tem alguem do brazil |
| 23:34.52 | Flamethrower | Mith, that wouldn't be a reinstall. That'd be a fresh install. |
| 23:34.54 | Guerin | Ronin: my point is that windows is the only modern OS you NEED to reinstall when you change hardware. |
| 23:34.56 | bbrazil | !br |
| 23:34.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:35.00 | mith | Guerin: are you always this contrary? All I said was i have an xp box that hasn't been reinstalled since sp1 and only was because the hardware was replaced. |
| 23:35.05 | Guerin | mith: oh, ease up. |
| 23:35.11 | Ronin | Guerin: ahh i missed that, yes thats true |
| 23:35.30 | Flamethrower | Anyone here able/willing to help me set up my 5.1 surround sound? |
| 23:35.32 | mith | anyways, you don't HAVE to reinstall windows when you replace hardware in 95% of cases |
| 23:35.38 | mith | it's just quicker to do so |
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| 23:35.44 | Niriven | mith: Bullshit |
| 23:35.57 | mith | Niriven: it can be done. |
| 23:35.59 | fbi | i repeat: no one cares. shut the hell up about reinstalling windows. |
| 23:36.02 | Guerin | mith: motherboard typically requires it. The rest isn't usually a problem, yeah. |
| 23:36.16 | stouset | Niriven: It can be done. You have to delete the hardware abstraction layer driver. |
| 23:36.28 | stouset | Guerin: It requires it, unless you delete the HAL layer. |
| 23:36.29 | Niriven | Yes, i know this |
| 23:36.30 | mith | Guerin: no, most can be replaced without a reinstall, it's just a pain in the ass |
| 23:36.40 | Mcool | hi i would like to disable some services in linux but i dont know where to look i was under the impresion that i need to go to /etc/inetd.conf and then edit them out |
| 23:36.43 | stouset | Guerin: Catch-22 is that you have to do it *before* you install the new hardware. |
| 23:36.43 | Wyzard | only if you move from an ACPI to a non-ACPI system |
| 23:36.45 | Mcool | but hardly any are there |
| 23:36.50 | mith | stouset: right |
| 23:36.51 | Wyzard | Otherwise it's the same HAL either way |
| 23:36.56 | stouset | Mcool: man update-rc.d |
| 23:36.56 | Niriven | But if your reinstalling an on a hardware change, you need to learn to administer your system properly |
| 23:36.59 | Guerin | Wyzard: not my experience. |
| 23:37.07 | cougar` | Here is the answer all : You can't have a Windows XP vs Mac or any other type of debate like this, with people that know enough about the computer to argue the difference. The only thing you will do is spin your wheels. But if I was given a scenario: A. Spend 1 hour with new user how to use Mac successfully vs B. Point new user to reading material on how to use Windows sucessfully, I would choose A, Mac. |
| 23:37.09 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 23:37.09 | dpkg | it has been said that update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 23:37.21 | Wyzard | The challenge regarding replacing a motherboard is that if it uses a different IDE controller, you can't boot -- but you can work around that by preinstalling the new IDE driver |
| 23:37.31 | mike_sol | in some cases it |
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| 23:37.38 | mike_sol | sorry wrong chan NM |
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| 23:37.48 | cougar` | Because then I would believe the new user on the mac would know enough to expand their knowledge on their own. |
| 23:37.49 | Flamethrower | Everyone, I keep getting this error on programs: |
| 23:37.49 | Flamethrower | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:37.50 | Flamethrower | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:37.50 | Flamethrower | Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
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| 23:38.00 | Flamethrower | Any clue how I'd fix that? |
| 23:38.07 | Guerin | Flamethrower: 1. don't paste 2. doing what, as which user? |
| 23:38.09 | mike_sol | Flamethrower, are you in an xterm as the same user you logged in as |
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| 23:38.19 | gravity | Flamethrower: Are you running as root? |
| 23:39.04 | mike_sol | you know what would be cool, is if xauth / xhost was all kerberos integrated and i could run programs from anywhere without worries |
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| 23:39.25 | Flamethrower | Guerin, I just tried to run xmix as root. |
| 23:39.29 | stouset | mike_sol: It already is. |
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| 23:39.35 | mike_sol | stouset, whoa |
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| 23:39.51 | stouset | mike_sol: You just need to write a ~ 10,000 LOC patch first. |
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| 23:40.10 | mike_sol | i can already get SSH working with kerb, and SSH -X is sort of what i want |
| 23:40.18 | pok | in debian, at the cli, if i type in say tar , what key can i press to cycle through all the previous times that i type in tar? i used page-up on gentoo |
| 23:40.32 | SplasPood | Can someone tell me what happened to the kernel-source packages in unstable? |
| 23:40.34 | Guerin | Flamethrower: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 23:40.35 | mike_sol | but it'd be nice if i could just use -display FOO and have it come up over there, if i had permissions over that machien |
| 23:40.37 | pok | (apologizies if the question is a repeat, but got disconnected) |
| 23:40.43 | Mcool | the ports that i have got open though dont correspond to the services i have got in the rc*.d directories though |
| 23:40.44 | Guerin | stouset: they got renamed to linux-* |
| 23:40.48 | Guerin | SplasPood: |
| 23:40.54 | vulture | pok: ctrl-r perhaps |
| 23:40.55 | foo | stouset: hmm, it's doing it again |
| 23:41.00 | mith | mike_sol: but ssh compresses for you and shit too |
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| 23:41.03 | mike_sol | pok, what shell were you using in gentoo? maybe it wasn't bash |
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| 23:41.13 | stouset | foo: :\ |
| 23:41.17 | stouset | Guerin: Huh? |
| 23:41.17 | mith | mike_sol: so ssh -Y (or -X) is actually better :P |
| 23:41.18 | foo | stouset: thanks anyways |
| 23:41.23 | stouset | foo: :( |
| 23:41.24 | sfullenwider | when will sid become stable? |
| 23:41.25 | mike_sol | mith, yeah but i want to say 'run this program from my machine but on that display' like a reverse ssh -X |
| 23:41.29 | mike_sol | and what's -Y for? |
| 23:41.30 | SplasPood | Guerin: Duh, i'm slow.. Thanks! :) |
| 23:41.30 | mith | sfullenwider: never |
| 23:41.36 | RichiH | stouset: it has nothing to do with slumber as you are surely aware :) |
| 23:41.43 | sfullenwider | I mean when will the new version of debian come out? |
| 23:41.46 | Guerin | SplasPood: i'm stupid. |
| 23:41.46 | Flamethrower | Same error, Guerin. |
| 23:41.51 | mike_sol | sfullenwider, it just did come out! |
| 23:41.51 | AciD | pok > ctrl+r for history, just !tar for the last command beginning with "tar" (and !tar:p to only print that last command) |
| 23:41.53 | Guerin | stouset: i'm REALLY stupid |
| 23:42.04 | mith | mike_sol: -Y in newer versions of ssh is the same as -X in older versions |
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| 23:42.11 | Guerin | sfullenwider: /msg dpkg etch pool 1 |
| 23:42.12 | mike_sol | why the difference |
| 23:42.15 | Flamethrower | Nvm. |
| 23:42.19 | mith | mike_sol: -Y fakes xauth data or some retarded shit, I don't remember the difference off the top of my head |
| 23:42.21 | Kerr | I need to set up snat for my laptop (it's 192.168.1.2, connected via eth1 to the pc which is is 192.168.1.1, and connects to the net on eth0) .. apart from that i already have stuff set up.. i'm stuck though, what do i do :-/ ? |
| 23:42.26 | mike_sol | ok thanks |
| 23:42.40 | mith | mike_sol: it's in man ssh; under the -X option though |
| 23:42.49 | mith | (the reasoning that is) |
| 23:42.52 | mike_sol | aha |
| 23:43.05 | beardy | pok: the uparrow (as I told you the first time you asked), or Ctrl-p if you use readline with emacs bindings |
| 23:43.11 | stouset | pok: Probably just copy your old .bash_profile/.bashrc over. |
| 23:43.12 | mike_sol | Trusted X11 forwarding, it is |
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| 23:43.41 | stouset | RichiH: Mmhmm. I smell slumber on your breath! |
| 23:43.47 | stouset | Guerin: Noted. |
| 23:43.51 | sfullenwider | Why is the "new" debian kernel 2.4 then? |
| 23:43.58 | Flamethrower | <-- needs help getting sound to work |
| 23:44.22 | Flamethrower | ALSA isn't detecting it, though the card is compatible. It is found by lspci. |
| 23:44.37 | mike_sol | sfullenwider, it's called stable for a reason. if you want newer stuff, you can install a 2.6 kernel very easilyt |
| 23:44.39 | beardy | sfullenwider: what are you talking about? |
| 23:44.51 | stouset | Flamethrower: The OSS modules are probably being loaded. Are the sound modules prepended with snd- ? |
| 23:44.53 | mike_sol | in fact it asks you during install if you use expert mode |
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| 23:45.17 | stouset | mike_sol: As well, you can do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<arch> |
| 23:45.31 | Flamethrower | stouset: alsaconf kills snd-emu10k1. |
| 23:45.32 | beardy | Or read the screen when installing. |
| 23:45.48 | roral | stouset: actually, it's linux-image now |
| 23:45.49 | beardy | Or the install guide. |
| 23:45.54 | stouset | roral: Now. Not in stable. |
| 23:46.01 | roral | Oh. My bad, right |
| 23:46.07 | stouset | Flamethrower: alsaconf isn't generally useful :\ |
| 23:46.12 | albo | is there something cleaner than %{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} |
| 23:46.14 | Wyzard | Flamethrower: I think alsaconf is deprecated... just load snd-emu10k1 |
| 23:46.21 | stouset | Flamethrower: If it's autoloading snd-emu10k1, then it should be working. Try amixer set PCM 100 unmute. |
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| 23:46.30 | Wyzard | Flamethrower: Or better yet, install discover, which will load appropriate modules for your hardware automatically |
| 23:46.34 | Flamethrower | Alright. |
| 23:46.37 | fbi | alsaconf isn't useful? smoke some more crack. |
| 23:46.40 | stouset | albo: How are those not clean? |
| 23:46.40 | Flamethrower | discover is the package name? |
| 23:46.51 | stouset | fbi: I've never personally found it to be. |
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| 23:46.53 | fbi | Flamethrower: first of all, what kernel version are you running |
| 23:46.55 | Guerin | Flamethrower: echo -e "snd-emu10k1\nsnd-pcm-oss" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 23:47.01 | mike_sol | stouset: or, you can build it from source all staticly and put it in without ever telling dpkg! mwahahahaha |
| 23:47.09 | xDES | any way to minimize xorg memory consumption ? |
| 23:47.09 | AciD | mike_sol > try apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.14 |
| 23:47.11 | Flamethrower | fbi, 2.6.8 |
| 23:47.14 | fbi | stouset: whatever. alsaconf works for the other 99.5 percent of the debian users in here. |
| 23:47.15 | stouset | mike_sol: omgomgomg do it! |
| 23:47.17 | Flamethrower | Guerin, will do. |
| 23:47.20 | Guerin | Flamethrower: that line is 99% certain to work - the 1% is if you have an oss module in /etc/modules already |
| 23:47.21 | mike_sol | uh, i do |
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| 23:47.22 | fbi | Flamethrower: what soundcard? |
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| 23:47.32 | Guerin | Flamethrower: try to keep up |
| 23:47.35 | Flamethrower | Alright, Guerin. |
| 23:47.39 | Guerin | fbi: try to keep up |
| 23:47.40 | Flamethrower | FBI, onboard Soundblaster live 5.1 |
| 23:47.41 | beardy | xDES: Don't run KDE or gnome. |
| 23:47.43 | sunsun | hi i can t install etch iso image to inspiron 9300? it doesnt see the cd (dvd) drive |
| 23:47.52 | stouset | fbi: That is to say, I've never actually *needed* to use it. Maybe it does useful stuff, but I've never encountered a case where it needed to be run. |
| 23:47.52 | Guerin | Flamethrower: sorry, I'm tab-impaired |
| 23:47.58 | Flamethrower | Np, guerin :D |
| 23:48.01 | xDES | beardy: I don't , I run fluxbox |
| 23:48.13 | mike_sol | xchat's tab completion always picks the wrong user |
| 23:48.28 | xDES | beardy: still take about 60Mb |
| 23:48.31 | fbi | stouset: you're on crack, you can't use alsa until you run it. |
| 23:48.34 | Guerin | sunsun: dell uses stupid controllers. Someone made some installers for them, but I don't recall where they are. |
| 23:48.38 | sunsun | hi i can't install etch iso image to inspiron 9300? it doesnt see the cd (dvd) drive, i tried ide_generic but nothing and also ata_piix |
| 23:48.40 | Wyzard | fbi: The manpage for alsaconf mentions module-init-tools so apparently it's kept up-to-date... but last time I used it (about two years ago, admittedly) it warned me that it was for an older revision of ALSA, and didn't generate a useful configuration; I haven't touched it since then, since it's so easy to just load the module |
| 23:48.41 | Guerin | xDES: how much ram do you have? |
| 23:48.47 | tobo | im havin a weird problem, i recently upgraded one of my comps hardware wise and everything seemed to go smoothly. Heres the problem, all communications initiated from the outside ssh,ping etc to this comupter works but if communication is initiated from that computer nothing works, not even ping... what could this be?? firewall is not on |
| 23:48.55 | azeem | fbi: nobody is on crack here, a priori |
| 23:49.06 | stouset | sun: The hardware should be autodetected |
| 23:49.12 | stouset | sunsun: : Is it not? |
| 23:49.13 | xDES | 512MB |
| 23:49.21 | xDES | Guerin: 512 |
| 23:49.27 | Guerin | fbi: what? Can't use alsa until you run alsaconf? YOU are the one on crack. |
| 23:49.29 | stouset | azeem: No, I am. |
| 23:49.29 | tobo | i also upgraded from kernel 2.6.11 to 2.6.14, is there something added that is managed to enable? |
| 23:49.30 | sunsun | stouset no it is not seeing the cd drive although it booted the install cd!? |
| 23:49.37 | AciD | gn |
| 23:49.47 | fbi | Guerin: alsaconf can't see his card and he's using alsa? how's that work. |
| 23:49.50 | stouset | sunsun: At what point is it complaining? |
| 23:49.52 | Guerin | xDES: 60 ain';t a big deal then. xorg seems to use ram as it needs it. |
| 23:50.00 | Guerin | fbi: I've experienced that problem. |
| 23:50.02 | mike_sol | xDES: how much memory are you actually using? use the free command and look at the '+/- buffers/cache' line |
| 23:50.09 | stouset | fbi: I've never used alsaconf. I assume udev handled finding and loading the module automagically. |
| 23:50.16 | bbrazil | tobo: arp working? |
| 23:50.22 | Wyzard | fbi: From the manpage, "alsaconf is a simple shell script which tries to detect the sound cards on your system" |
| 23:50.25 | sunsun | step 3 comes after picking a keyboard, called "find cd drive". cant find the cdrom drive. |
| 23:50.27 | fbi | stouset: i really don't care. |
| 23:50.35 | Wyzard | fbi: hardly a robust or foolproof program |
| 23:50.36 | sunsun | stouset step 3 comes after picking a keyboard, called "find cd drive". cant find the cdrom drive. |
| 23:50.47 | tobo | bbrazil, would ping work from another computer if it didnt? ill check just to make sure |
| 23:50.50 | stouset | sunsun: In...teresting. |
| 23:51.04 | xDES | mike_sol: currently using 236MB, only firefox open and about 6 Eterms |
| 23:51.05 | stouset | sunsun: Can you attempt to install sarge then upgrade to etch? |
| 23:51.08 | Wyzard | stouset: discover is what finds hardware and loads modules for it; udev just creates the device nodes and runs hotplug scripts after the module has been loaded |
| 23:51.11 | Guerin | i find that just adding the module to /etc/modules and rebooting works in 99% of all cases |
| 23:51.16 | bbrazil | tobo: I know a friend had something similar between a woody and a xp system, never founf out why |
| 23:51.23 | fbi | who said it was foolproof? the point is, it isn't seeing it, and he may not even be running a kernel that has the alsa driver built it, depending on how new his card is. |
| 23:51.24 | stouset | Wyzard: I don't have discover installed. |
| 23:51.32 | stouset | Wyzard: And yet, I have sound :P |
| 23:51.35 | fbi | you're all missing the point. |
| 23:51.51 | Wyzard | stouset: or discover1, which (for some reason) is the one that gets installed by default |
| 23:51.59 | stouset | Wyzard: Aye. I purged them. |
| 23:52.00 | sunsun | stouset havent tried that yet. i was going to try a network install instead, is there a parameter to the boot: prompt on the etch cd which will make it do a network install or do i have to downloat a new image? |
| 23:52.03 | stouset | Wyzard: Don't exist any more :P |
| 23:52.13 | mike_sol | xDES: so you're using half your memory... doesn't sound too bad to me |
| 23:52.14 | stouset | sunsun: New image. It's small though. |
| 23:52.18 | Wyzard | stouset: or /etc/modules, or manually-created aliases, or whatever |
| 23:52.26 | stouset | Wyzard: Nay, nay :) |
| 23:52.45 | Wyzard | stouset: My point is, udev *reacts* to modules being loaded; it doesn't initiate any |
| 23:52.45 | xDES | mike_sol: so, there isn't any way to strip down xorg ? |
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| 23:52.57 | Guerin | xDES: why? |
| 23:53.05 | stouset | Wyzard: I understand what you're saying. I just wish I had something better to offer you. I haven't touched my sound config. It "just works". |
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| 23:53.22 | Guerin | xDES: linux is very good at releasing ram when it's needed by other programs, and in your case it isn't. |
| 23:53.22 | gravity | xDES: Use a lighter wm |
| 23:53.29 | Guerin | gravity: lighter than fluxbox? |
| 23:53.45 | stouset | Wyzard: I was always under the impression that discover handled devices that were already present (and didn't daemonize, looking for modules to load) and that udev/hotplug daemonized and looked for new devices inserted. |
| 23:53.47 | gravity | Heh, well X itself is using very little of that memory |
| 23:53.49 | xDES | Guerin: a little difficult to go lighter than this :) |
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| 23:53.57 | gravity | It stores all the pixmaps used by any app in its memory space |
| 23:54.02 | Guerin | xDES: evilwm! |
| 23:54.03 | gravity | Kinda like shlibs |
| 23:54.07 | tobo | bbrazil, arp -a shows the correct entries and fills up when pinging new hosts |
| 23:54.10 | gravity | So it's not so heavyweight as it seems |
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| 23:54.21 | xDES | Guerin: :) |
| 23:54.30 | mike_sol | seriously, having all your memory full is okay and nothing to worry about |
| 23:54.49 | mike_sol | linux has some of the best swapping alrogithms around, unless you walk away from your machine for a day and come back :D |
| 23:55.06 | stouset | Wyzard: So, my assumption was that the featureset of udev naturally supercedes those of discover (i.e., there isn't really all that much difference between pluggable hardware and nonpluggable hardware), so I purged it. |
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| 23:55.20 | bbrazil | tobo: so this computer A can ping computer B, but A can't ping B? |
| 23:55.27 | flamethrower | I'm not sure if that worked, but I know I need to fix this |
| 23:55.28 | flamethrower | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:55.29 | flamethrower | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:55.33 | flamethrower | But don't know how |
| 23:55.33 | Wyzard | stouset: I guess module loading is done indirectly by udev now that it handles hotplugging... but it's actually being done by scripts called by udev in response to the insertion of a device |
| 23:55.33 | stouset | Wyzard: And haven't had any problems. I can still plug in my ipod and have it work, and my sound is autodetected. I don't have the modules loaded in /etc/modules or anything. It "just works", with no config. |
| 23:55.43 | Wyzard | stouset: and at any rate, I doubt you're hotplugging your soundcard :-) |
| 23:55.45 | Guerin | !opaat |
| 23:55.46 | dpkg | opaat is probably One Problem At A Time, or the best way to fix almost anything. |
| 23:55.51 | Guerin | flamethrower: opaat is for you |
| 23:56.09 | flamethrower | I see. |
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| 23:56.15 | tpr | with lspci I can see a RAID bus controller and Unknown mass storage controller (promise technology it says), how do I know if I have support/drivers for these in the kernel? dmesg does not show any resemblances of either cards being detected though :( |
| 23:56.19 | flamethrower | The main problem is getting things to work. Sound can wait. |
| 23:56.26 | flamethrower | how do I fix the xlib? |
| 23:56.36 | stouset | flamethrower: You can't run things in a user's X session as a separate user. Even as root. |
| 23:56.39 | Guerin | !tell flamethrower about run stuff as root |
| 23:56.45 | Wyzard | stouset: udev in unstable now does coldplugging at boot time too, so maybe discover is no longer needed... I haven't tried removing it though |
| 23:56.45 | tobo | bbrazil, yeah... but i might have found out why... i can ping a netgear router sitting on the net.... when trying to ping my brothers computer it doesn't work cause i think his firewall rules are using macfiltering... the gateway to the internet is not pingable, might have a stale arp cache? could that be it |
| 23:56.46 | mike_sol | tpr, does lspci not identify further the raid controller? |
| 23:56.47 | gravity | flamethrower: Check the faq in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common |
| 23:56.50 | stouset | flamethrower: Use a tool like gksu, or you'll have to futz around with xhost permissions. |
| 23:57.01 | stouset | Wyzard: That must be it then. |
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| 23:57.05 | mike_sol | flamethrower, if you want a bad solution, go 'xhost + localhost' as the non root user. but THIS IS BAD and DO NOT DO IT. |
| 23:57.08 | bbrazil | tobo: you change network card? |
| 23:57.11 | tpr | mike_sol: RAID bus controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) |
| 23:57.17 | flamethrower | Why, mike_sol? |
| 23:57.21 | tpr | mike_sol: and Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02) (prog-if 85) |
| 23:57.32 | mike_sol | flamethrower, i dunno, security holes, it's not so bad with the localhost line |
| 23:57.35 | tpr | these are what i see with lspci, -v(v) also shows a bit more information |
| 23:57.35 | tobo | bbrazil, yeah since im using the one in the mobo and the mobo is changed |
| 23:57.38 | stouset | Wyzard: Like I said, I always thought discover didn't daemonize, and only found "static" hardware, while hotplug daemonized and looked for new hardware to load modules for. |
| 23:57.49 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 23:57.49 | dpkg | from memory, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 23:57.51 | Guerin | xhost bad |
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| 23:57.54 | stouset | Wyzard: And as such, it could easily find "static" (or, I guess, coldplug) hardware too. |
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| 23:57.59 | Guerin | just use sux |
| 23:58.01 | stouset | Wyzard: i.e., natural superset of features... |
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| 23:58.10 | mike_sol | there you go. a better explanation than i could have mustered |
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| 23:58.25 | bbrazil | tobo: could well be. a gratituios arp via arping might fix it |
| 23:58.30 | Guerin | you shouldn't need to run X apps as root anyway |
| 23:58.30 | paullywaully | can anyone assist me in helping download a package called k9 copy through synaptic ?? |
| 23:58.32 | flamethrower | !sshx |
| 23:58.33 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 23:58.41 | Guerin | if you do, something is almost certainly misconfigured |
| 23:58.50 | tobo | bbrazil, and how am i to go bout doing that? =) |
| 23:58.58 | mike_sol | Guerin, i always remember the old netscape 4 refusing to run as root, and that was my wakeup call. good security feature, that |
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| 23:59.13 | stouset | Guerin: if xhost explicitly should never be used, why is it included? :\ |
| 23:59.17 | biffhero | I have vga=835 on my kernel cmdline, and I am also using the boot-icons package. However, the kernel messages over-write the icons. How do I make the kernel messages stop a few lines down? |
| 23:59.24 | bbrazil | tobo: not something I've done |
| 23:59.37 | bbrazil | tobo: do you control the gateway? |
| 23:59.46 | Guerin | stouset: i suppose there are still some legacy applications for it. but if you don't know what they are, it's probably safe to say you don't need them. |
| 23:59.48 | tobo | no isp unfortunately |
