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| 00:00.07 | tobo | is it common for them to have a stale arp cache that has to time out? |
| 00:00.09 | bbrazil | tobo: they can tend to have very long timeouts |
| 00:00.18 | mike_sol | stouset, it's there for people to abuse in the hopes that they learn something |
| 00:00.20 | bbrazil | tobo: or so I've heard said in here |
| 00:00.25 | stouset | mike_sol: haha |
| 00:00.28 | paullywaully | was wondering if someone could guide me through the process of loading a program called k9copy |
| 00:00.49 | tobo | bbrazil, could you define very long? =) |
| 00:01.06 | flamethrower | Ok.. time to setup wine. |
| 00:01.09 | flamethrower | God this one sucks. |
| 00:01.15 | resiak | paullywaully: http://repos.knio.it/ |
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| 00:01.36 | bbrazil | tobo: no experiance there I'm afraid |
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| 00:02.10 | tobo | bbrazil, ok thanks for the help |
| 00:02.10 | flamethrower | Does anyone know how I would go about setting up wine? |
| 00:02.14 | evan___ | Anyone know how to get wuftp to bind to an ip other than 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:02.18 | evan___ | which is all it seems to want to bind too |
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| 00:02.20 | resiak | flamethrower: apt-get install wine ? |
| 00:02.27 | flamethrower | I know that, Resiak. |
| 00:02.31 | stouset | g'nite folks |
| 00:02.34 | flamethrower | The problem is, I don't knwo how to configure it. At all. |
| 00:02.38 | resiak | flamethrower: apt-get install winesetuptk ? |
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| 00:02.46 | bbrazil | tobo: you could change IP address or MAC address |
| 00:02.52 | flamethrower | How would I run apt-get install winesetuptk? |
| 00:02.59 | mike_sol | flamethrower, i reccomend using the wine packages from the wine repository FYI |
| 00:03.02 | flamethrower | ERm. |
| 00:03.07 | mike_sol | it needs less configuring |
| 00:03.07 | flamethrower | Alright.... |
| 00:03.12 | flamethrower | That is way over my head. |
| 00:03.17 | flamethrower | Stupid people terms please? |
| 00:03.17 | mike_sol | wine.org? |
| 00:03.20 | flamethrower | Alright. |
| 00:03.23 | mike_sol | go to website and read lots |
| 00:03.26 | mike_sol | its not an easy topic |
| 00:03.28 | flamethrower | Gotcha. |
| 00:03.30 | paullywaully | resiak what version do i need to download i have simply mepis 3.4 |
| 00:03.31 | flamethrower | Didn't believe it was. |
| 00:03.37 | resiak | !mepis |
| 00:03.37 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 00:03.40 | resiak | paullywaully: ^^ |
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| 00:03.46 | mike_sol | and dont expect it to work, just be pleasently surprised when it does |
| 00:04.05 | flamethrower | Uh huh.. mike |
| 00:04.07 | flamethrower | Go to wine.org |
| 00:04.09 | flamethrower | Tell me what you see |
| 00:04.15 | paullywaully | resiak???? |
| 00:04.27 | mike_sol | er, wine.sf.net |
| 00:04.28 | mike_sol | lol |
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| 00:04.32 | tobo | bbrazil, yeah... changing the ip is not an option and changing the mac is just an ugly fix in my opinion =) ill probably just have to wait it out, damn isp. Could i force the gateway to uddate the arp tables with gratuitous arp? |
| 00:04.33 | flamethrower | :D Thx. |
| 00:04.48 | mike_sol | http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 00:04.48 | Wyzard | paullywaully: Translation: you're not using Debian -- you should ask in #mepis |
| 00:04.55 | mike_sol | !ops ban tallia |
| 00:04.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban tallia |
| 00:05.01 | paullywaully | ty |
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| 00:05.13 | bbrazil | tobo: should be possible |
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| 00:05.14 | mike_sol | nicely done |
| 00:05.14 | thingfish | yay! |
| 00:05.15 | beardy | thanks |
| 00:05.20 | thingfish | we love our ops. |
| 00:05.31 | mike_sol | it is a pretty slick setup in here to keep out the spam |
| 00:05.36 | thingfish | they all get bigger hammers for christmas. |
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| 00:05.57 | tobo | does anyone in here know a quick way of sending gratuitous arp or am i to find it myself? =) |
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| 00:06.10 | mike_sol | i bet the ops sit around with big sirens on top of their dedicated IRC machines waiting for the dpkg bot to signal them |
| 00:06.27 | Ronin | mike_sol: or not |
| 00:06.30 | mike_sol | tobo, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:06.39 | Wyzard | tobo: Isn't just sending it a packet supposed to update the ARP table? |
| 00:06.58 | Wyzard | tobo: And I thought ARP entries are supposed to expire after 60 seconds if they aren't refreshed, though I could be wrong |
| 00:07.10 | tobo | Wyzard, not if the mac is cached for the ip, and isp can have longer timeouts? |
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| 00:07.24 | tobo | mike_sol, make the gateway understand that the mac for an ip has changed |
| 00:07.38 | tobo | mike_sol, the isps gateway that is |
| 00:07.54 | mike_sol | oh... you basically need to be in there and flush it's arp cache, but of course you don't have power over it |
| 00:08.10 | mike_sol | they time out after a while, don't they? |
| 00:08.44 | tobo | exactly, so is there a way of forcing this? |
| 00:08.45 | tobo | probably, dont wanna wait is all =) |
| 00:08.45 | mike_sol | hmmm the gratutious arp thing is kind of where you want to go. |
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| 00:08.45 | mike_sol | i would read up on ettercap if i was you |
| 00:08.49 | mike_sol | that's the swiss army knife for that kind of behaviour |
| 00:08.58 | mike_sol | i cant tell you how cause i dont know |
| 00:09.00 | mike_sol | but i bet it can |
| 00:09.05 | tobo | k, tnx ill look into it |
| 00:09.14 | mike_sol | np |
| 00:09.23 | foo | I should be able to mix unstable versions with stable and be fine .. right? |
| 00:09.30 | mike_sol | hahaha |
| 00:09.42 | bbrazil | tobo: as I said, arping should be enough to do it, although the ettercap readme is quite enlightening |
| 00:09.51 | [11aa] | !how to reconfigure dhcp for my eth0 adapter |
| 00:10.09 | mike_sol | 11aa: /etc/network/interfaces, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:10.12 | tobo | bbrazil, hehe... with linux you certainly live and learn |
| 00:10.13 | mike_sol | or run 'dhclient eth0' |
| 00:10.17 | Wyzard | foo: Packages from unstable often depend on unstable versions of other packages, which depend on unstable versions of other packages, etc. |
| 00:10.34 | Wyzard | foo: so it might not be possible to install a particular unstable package without upgrading half your system |
| 00:11.05 | vulture | ~simple sid backport |
| 00:11.06 | apt | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
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| 00:11.18 | [11aa] | mike_sol : thx |
| 00:11.32 | foo | Wyzard: If I tried it would just update the system without problems .. right? |
| 00:12.03 | mike_sol | i always wonder how there are so many people on irc when their internet is broken :S |
| 00:12.16 | Wyzard | foo: Depends on whether you consider upgrading half your stable system to unstable to be a problem |
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| 00:12.58 | [11aa] | perhaps they have 2 machines side by side... mike-sol |
| 00:13.09 | mike_sol | oh i know, i'm just joshing you |
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| 00:13.34 | foo | Wyzard: Do you think it's a problem? |
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| 00:13.58 | flamethrower | Umm... |
| 00:13.59 | Wyzard | foo: On a system that's supposed to be stable, yes |
| 00:14.02 | flamethrower | what do I use on .deb files? |
| 00:14.18 | Wyzard | flamethrower: dpkg -i |
| 00:14.23 | flamethrower | Ty., |
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| 00:14.57 | mike_sol | flamethrower, was that for the wine stuff? you should be able to do it through apt |
| 00:15.06 | mike_sol | so as to get dependancies and upgrade regularly |
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| 00:15.10 | flamethrower | I can't get the line in sources.list working. |
| 00:15.13 | DrDabbles | Does anybody have a reccomendation for a good log analyzer? |
| 00:15.21 | flamethrower | The line is missing parts |
| 00:15.42 | mike_sol | deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ |
| 00:15.46 | mike_sol | that should work |
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| 00:16.09 | flamethrower | Synaptic is giving me errors, I'll add it to sources.list manually. |
| 00:16.34 | mike_sol | that's the manly way to do it |
| 00:16.46 | mike_sol | or womanly as the case may be |
| 00:16.50 | flamethrower | Lol. |
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| 00:17.56 | tobo | bbrazil mike_sol: well the assumption seems about right since my laptop can connect to the computer from whithin the lan but when pinging from the outside it doesnt work since the gateway is inbetween |
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| 00:18.26 | darsie | Hi! I dist-upgraded and now with xorg the monitor twitches with every key I press?! Even ctrl or num-lock. I could not try a different graphics card due to a resource conflict with the onboard one. |
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| 00:18.48 | mike_sol | tobo: what caused the gateway to have the wrong mac for you? and what kind of connection is this? some ISPs require you to register the mac manually |
| 00:19.11 | mike_sol | darsie, elaborate on 'twitches' |
| 00:19.48 | bbrazil | mike_sol: nic change (tobo) |
| 00:19.58 | tobo | mike_sol, changed the mobo in one of the computers and using onboard lan... the connection is an adsl with four static ip-adressess assigned |
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| 00:20.05 | darsie | mike_sol: well, the scan lines move about 1/3 to the right for about 10 scan lines. |
| 00:20.12 | psychonate | In tty1, I changed directories to my NFS mount point, but the NFS server was unavailable, so it's just sort of stuck there retrying. CTRL+C doesn't seem to work, nor does killing the "bash" process on tty1. What can I do? |
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| 00:20.17 | flamethrower | Crap. |
| 00:20.18 | mike_sol | does the ISP have any sort of administration interface to register the MACs on, tobo? |
| 00:20.23 | A3K | ok...everything is working but I cannot get a resolution above 800x600...any suggestions? |
| 00:20.23 | flamethrower | libxxf86dgal is needed but unable to be found. |
| 00:20.26 | tobo | never had to do this before, manual config i mean. |
| 00:20.28 | tobo | no they dont |
| 00:20.35 | mike_sol | darsie, that is incredibly weird. try a different refresh rate? |
| 00:20.44 | psychonate | I can't umount the NFS mount point, because it's busy. |
| 00:20.50 | tobo | probably just has to time out, ill look into gratuitous arp in the mean-time |
| 00:20.51 | foo | How stable is unstable? I mean .. should I expect problems? |
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| 00:21.09 | dvs | A3K: Make sure you horizontal and vertical frequencies are right |
| 00:21.11 | DrDabbles | psychonate: wait for it to timeout. Then, put a timeout value in your fstab entry! |
| 00:21.14 | mike_sol | psychonate, you should wait for it to time out, if killing the login shell doesnt work |
| 00:21.15 | thingfish | foo: yes, expect bugs. |
| 00:21.17 | vulture | foo: Yes, that's kind of the point. |
| 00:21.23 | thingfish | kinda sorta |
| 00:21.39 | A3K | dvs: using xf86config from cli? |
| 00:21.46 | dvs | xf86config? |
| 00:21.47 | foo | vulture and thingfish: what about testing? That fairly stable? |
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| 00:21.58 | dvs | A3K: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:22.05 | psychonate | DrDabbles, well, I dunno if it's actually retrying or not. It gave one retry message and has done nothing since. It's been as such for about 20 hours. |
| 00:22.08 | vulture | foo: better, but it's still there for "testing" - and it's possibly the least secure version |
| 00:22.12 | DrDabbles | psychonat: Also, rebooting will cure your immediate problem of no response |
| 00:22.16 | darsie | mike_sol: well, it's the same from 640*480 to 1600*1200 |
| 00:22.21 | thingfish | foo: testing is still not quite ready to go yet. |
| 00:22.25 | flamethrower | mike_sol: libxxf86dgal is needed for wine but can't be found |
| 00:22.25 | psychonate | rebooting = abhorrent to psychonate |
| 00:22.38 | vulture | foo: At least sid gets security updates straight from upstream, stable gets them from the security team. Sarge has to wait for them to filter through sid |
| 00:22.39 | darsie | mike_sol: and the monitor blanks if I do it too often. |
| 00:22.42 | DrDabbles | psychonate: Ok, if a computer says it's "retrying" on a network for more than 1 hour, kill it |
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| 00:22.57 | psychonate | DrDabbles, kill what? |
| 00:22.58 | A3K | I am afraid you lost me dvs |
| 00:23.05 | psychonate | there's no process to kill really other than bash |
| 00:23.05 | mike_sol | flamethrower, i see that, though it's 'libxxf86dga1' not l at the end |
| 00:23.06 | dvs | A3K: Run that command |
| 00:23.17 | caphuso | vulture: sarge is stable |
| 00:23.18 | psychonate | I guess I will try a kill -9, since a straight kill didn't work |
| 00:23.33 | flamethrower | Alright |
| 00:23.37 | A3K | dpkg |
| 00:23.41 | vulture | caphuso: bleh.. yeah. Don't mind me. |
| 00:23.45 | DrDabbles | psychonat: It's not retrying anything. You have no timeout specified in fstab (not that I blame you for that), and so it defaults to something ungodly. Since the other end is not going to respond, simply reboot |
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| 00:23.58 | darsie | Hmm, maybe I can try again with xfree86 (or whatever the stuff before xorg is called). |
| 00:24.07 | caphuso | vulture: and it can take weeks for sid to get security fixed packages |
| 00:24.24 | mike_sol | it shouldnt make any difference darsie as xorg is practically xfree86. |
| 00:24.25 | flamethrower | crap, it's unstable, time to add a source... |
| 00:24.25 | DrDabbles | psychonate: There's no process because NFS is a kernel module...so it's a kernel process...which you can't kill as such |
| 00:24.31 | vulture | caphuso: Granted, if upstream is lagging, or package management, etc.. so it's hardly secure. |
| 00:24.40 | psychonate | DrDabbles, well, I managed to kill that bash process and free up the tty at least. Hopefully that also stopped the connect attempt, or will allow me to umount and remount the point. |
| 00:24.44 | SuperSox | hi, I'm getting problem when I try to boot a 2.6 kernel package, I've read about the problems a bit and it has something to do with mkinitrd apparently, I'm on an AMD64 and the boot error is: pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: no such files, how do I work round this? (preferably without having to compile a custom kernel) |
| 00:24.53 | mike_sol | psychonate, what if you down the interface? |
| 00:24.58 | darsie | mike_sol: it does not happen if I just start 'X' from the command line. |
| 00:25.03 | mike_sol | NFS runs over UDP, right? |
| 00:25.07 | DrDabbles | psychonate: killing the bash instance did nothing for the problem. |
| 00:25.18 | mike_sol | darsie, it only happens when you're using it through a WM? |
| 00:25.22 | DrDabbles | mike_sol: UDP or TCP...you can specify |
| 00:25.29 | mike_sol | DrDabbles, but by default |
| 00:25.29 | tpr | mike_sol: hope i didnt miss any critical answers, but did yo have any idea how to possible proceed with the raid controller issue? |
| 00:25.42 | DrDabbles | mike_sol: UDP, I believe. |
| 00:25.50 | darsie | mike_sol: well, appearently. There's a lot of stuff running in my gnome/enligtenment session. |
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| 00:25.59 | psychonate | DrDabbles, indeed, it did not. |
| 00:26.00 | mike_sol | tpr, oh, i didnt even really look into that sorry. paste the lspci line again and ill look for what module you should use |
| 00:26.11 | tpr | mike_sol: RAID bus controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) |
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| 00:26.18 | tpr | mike_sol: and Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02) (prog-if 85) |
| 00:26.19 | psychonate | DrDabbles, is rebooting the only solution then? Because I very much dislike that :( |
| 00:26.20 | DrDabbles | psychonate: I've personally had your problem...and been annoyed by it |
| 00:26.23 | tobo | bbrazil mike_sol : well ill just go to bed now and see if the problems fixed itself in the morning, tnx for your help |
| 00:26.25 | mike_sol | darsie, compare output of 'xdpyinfo' when running from xinit and from your xdm |
| 00:26.33 | mike_sol | take it easy tobo |
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| 00:26.45 | flamethrower | Ok, still need help with my sound. |
| 00:26.48 | DrDabbles | psychonate: As far as I know, yes. Especially when it hasn't stopped trying in 20 hours |
| 00:26.58 | psychonate | damn |
| 00:27.07 | DrDabbles | psychonate: What version of NFS are you running? 3 or 4? |
| 00:27.10 | flamethrower | Creative Labs SB Audigy LS is what is detected by discover and lspci, but it's onboard SoundBlaster Live 5.1 |
| 00:27.13 | darsie | xdpyinfo, hmm ... never heard about that ... *looking* |
| 00:27.21 | flamethrower | In any case, I need help making it work. ALSA does not see it. |
| 00:27.24 | mike_sol | tpr what kernel are you running? (uname -a will tell you) |
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| 00:27.52 | tpr | mike_sol: still running 2.4 |
| 00:27.59 | tpr | mike_sol: 2.4.27-2-386 to be exact |
| 00:28.23 | mike_sol | alright i dont know if there's support in 2.4, from google i see that it was provided as patches and was included in the -ac around 2.6.9 which means it may be in 2.6.14, the current one |
| 00:28.23 | darsie | mikesol: bbl ... |
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| 00:28.30 | mike_sol | i will look in my 2.6.14 |
| 00:28.37 | mike_sol | it is scsi right? |
| 00:28.49 | tpr | mike_sol: well as much as it pains me to say this, i just dont know =D |
| 00:28.49 | kaosAD | hrmm just wondering if someone could help me out, im trying to setup apache but im rather noob at this sort of stuff, just wondering if someone could give me a hand to set it up? |
| 00:28.59 | tpr | mike_sol: it isnt my own box |
| 00:29.06 | psychonate | DrDabbles, I believe 3. What's the best way to check for sure? |
| 00:29.07 | JimBowen | Hello. Has anyone here had problems installing the latest version of udev? |
| 00:29.09 | mike_sol | ok |
| 00:29.28 | JimBowen | namely the post-install script breaking with status 3 |
| 00:29.30 | DrDabbles | psychonate: there's an nfs stat program...that should tell you |
| 00:29.30 | resiak | JimBowen: You may need a newer kernel than you have. |
| 00:29.51 | tpr | mike_sol: no wait, they should be ata |
| 00:29.57 | mike_sol | yes its ata |
| 00:30.00 | mike_sol | there is support in 2.6.14 |
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| 00:30.07 | flamethrower | Can anyone help me with my sound issue? |
| 00:30.09 | mike_sol | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821x |
| 00:30.09 | JimBowen | I am running 2.6.14 |
| 00:30.19 | psychonate | DrDabbles, yeah, v3 |
| 00:30.24 | JimBowen | is there a specific option I must enable? |
| 00:30.41 | mike_sol | tpr, install the package for 2.6 unless you want to build your own kernel |
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| 00:30.50 | A3K | dvs? |
| 00:30.51 | DrDabbles | psychonate: So then the timeout value should be available on your nfs client end. You should specify one on your server end too, if you can |
| 00:30.59 | mike_sol | and hope that the earlier debian version, whatever is packaged, has the driver in |
| 00:31.10 | tpr | mike_sol: i need the practice, so I'll start with that atleast and keep an eye on that driver you mentioned :) |
| 00:31.10 | SuperSox | I'm getting a problem when I try to boot a 2.6 kernel package, I've read about the problems a bit and it has something to do with mkinitrd apparently, I'm on an AMD64 and the boot error is: pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: no such files, how do I work round this? (preferably without having to compile a custom kernel) |
| 00:31.15 | mike_sol | ok tpr |
| 00:31.22 | tpr | mike_sol: thank you very much for the help, hope this'll get me started! |
| 00:31.26 | mike_sol | no worries |
| 00:31.38 | mike_sol | SuperSox, #debian-amd64 |
| 00:31.40 | SuperSox | oops, missfire, sorry, didn't mean to say that twice :) |
| 00:31.46 | flamethrower | GDI |
| 00:31.55 | flamethrower | I just installed winesetuptk and it will not run |
| 00:32.07 | JimBowen | I'm a bit stuck here.. apt is rather broken and I can't get gnome back, as it depends on udev and udev is broken. |
| 00:32.19 | resiak | JimBowen: reportbug? |
| 00:32.31 | mike_sol | JimBowen, time to go and download all the gnome packages by hand and install with --force-all :D |
| 00:32.35 | mike_sol | no not really |
| 00:33.11 | mike_sol | wait for udev to be fixed, dems the breaks for running unstable. does anybody know of a good blog for whomever is working on udev? or a good mailinglist link? i'd like to see what's going on with the whole udev vs hotplug thing |
| 00:33.30 | resiak | mike_sol: Marco d'Itri, who is a bit of an asshole. |
| 00:33.41 | mike_sol | just like all *nix developers |
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| 00:33.52 | mike_sol | is he the maintainer or the author |
| 00:33.54 | iuse | anyone using bittorrent here ? |
| 00:34.07 | mike_sol | i am, for completely legal things only iuse |
| 00:34.18 | mike_sol | ;) |
| 00:34.22 | iuse | mike_sol: why is bittorrent ilegal ? |
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| 00:34.24 | iuse | :p |
| 00:34.25 | litage | in GRUB's shell, what's the difference between ``setup (hd0)'' and ``setup (hd0,1)''? |
| 00:34.33 | iuse | only if you download ilegal stufff |
| 00:34.36 | mike_sol | iuse, of course not, god forbid you should download some linux isos |
| 00:34.42 | DrDabbles | psychonate: Hope that helps you! Take a look on google for "nfs timeout" and you'll definately find what I'm talking about. Good luck! |
| 00:34.53 | SerajewelKS | litage: (hd0) installs to MBR, (hd0,1) installs to the boot record of the first partition |
| 00:34.53 | psychonate | DrDabbles, well, I added the "timeo" and "intr" options to the client just now at least |
| 00:34.58 | JimBowen | who should I report a bug to? udev devs or debian devs? |
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| 00:35.11 | SerajewelKS | litage: or the second partition... i forget if grub is zero-based |
| 00:35.11 | resiak | Debian, of course. |
| 00:35.17 | resiak | mike_sol: AUthor. |
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| 00:35.20 | mike_sol | aha. |
| 00:35.21 | psychonate | DrDabbles, yeah, found those on google; hopefully they will help in the future heh |
| 00:35.22 | litage | thanks SerajewelKS. GRUB is zero-based btw |
| 00:35.23 | resiak | argh |
| 00:35.26 | resiak | mike_sol: maintainer |
| 00:35.29 | resiak | !lart me |
| 00:35.30 | mike_sol | oh ok |
| 00:35.45 | CASP | saluton |
| 00:35.45 | mike_sol | i'd like to read why hotplug and udev are now not hand-in-hand though |
| 00:35.45 | DrDabbles | psychonate: Nice. There's lots of tuning you can do with timing, etc...but most of it really makes no difference. NFS just wasn't made to be disconnected EVER...which sucks :-/ |
| 00:35.57 | resiak | mike_sol: hotplug is going away |
| 00:36.02 | mike_sol | okay |
| 00:36.17 | mike_sol | thats what i gathered from my last dist-upgrade |
| 00:36.21 | psychonate | DrDabbles, yeah. What caused the problem in the first place was the dynamic IP of the server box :( |
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| 00:36.24 | mike_sol | so udev usurps it resiak |
| 00:36.28 | psychonate | DrDabbles, changed IPs on me heh |
| 00:36.42 | DrDabbles | psychonate: If I had a dollar for every time.... |
| 00:36.47 | psychonate | heh |
| 00:36.52 | tam | is there a way to find out an IO address in a machine ? |
| 00:37.01 | tam | well a particular IO address |
| 00:37.03 | mike_sol | tam, /proc/ioports i think |
| 00:37.08 | mike_sol | might help |
| 00:37.09 | tam | mike_sol: thanks |
| 00:37.18 | DrDabbles | bye all |
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| 00:38.27 | tam | mike_sol: it worked. but no help unfortunately :( |
| 00:38.32 | mike_sol | :| |
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| 00:38.59 | darsie | mike_sol: http://bksys.at/bernhard/xx/ |
| 00:39.32 | mike_sol | hmm |
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| 00:39.55 | mike_sol | nothing big eh darsie. the problem should be there in xinitthen |
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| 00:39.58 | flamethrower | CRAP |
| 00:39.59 | mike_sol | but it's not you say? |
| 00:40.05 | flamethrower | I just figured out why wine isn't configuring |
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| 00:40.20 | WaREX | I want to send text to a serial port device. I'm doing a "echo hello > /dev/ttyS0" and from another terminal i'm doing a "while true do read LINE</dev/ttyS0;echo $LINE done" but the second terminal does not seems to send a result. What can be wrong? |
| 00:40.29 | flamethrower | I'm gonna get kicked fo rthis, but |
| 00:40.40 | mike_sol | WaREX, maybe use minicom instead? |
| 00:40.43 | flamethrower | Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. |
| 00:40.43 | flamethrower | fixme:win:SetWindowTextA setting text "Winamp Setup" of other process window (nil) should not use SendMessage |
| 00:40.54 | mike_sol | are you gonna flood |
| 00:40.56 | mike_sol | go to #flood |
| 00:40.59 | flamethrower | Apparently I'm not. |
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| 00:41.05 | mike_sol | oh ok |
| 00:41.08 | flamethrower | I hate how I can't just make things multiline on IRC |
| 00:41.11 | resiak | flamethrower: Why the hell are you trying to run Winamp? |
| 00:41.13 | WaREX | mike_sol: isnt there a way to do it via bash? |
| 00:41.14 | flamethrower | Err multiline things single line |
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| 00:41.24 | mike_sol | WaREX, i always used minicom or tip |
| 00:41.26 | flamethrower | Resiak, I was just using something that installs relatively easy to see if I had wine setup. |
| 00:41.33 | resiak | ... |
| 00:41.34 | flamethrower | setup correctly |
| 00:41.40 | mike_sol | resiak, winamp really whips the llamas ass |
| 00:41.44 | flamethrower | Heck yes it does. |
| 00:41.45 | darsie | mike_sol: Hmm, in xinit? I used X and kdm. |
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| 00:41.50 | sander | hi.. anyone remember how to make one logical volum get increased max size.. with lvm? |
| 00:42.03 | mike_sol | darsie, when you ran X, how did you type commands? should it just sit there at a blank screen |
| 00:42.06 | cougar` | How come there is no way to get some sort of useful and verbose information on SFTP connections? Like my friend is downloading a file from me for work, and I have no idea what the progress is on it. I know its not done cause my network access is slow. And he's at work so I can't get a hold of him! |
| 00:42.09 | flamethrower | Anyway... how do I fix that problem? |
| 00:42.10 | sander | I remember it was some kinda max size.. on maybe 500gb. or 1tb.. |
| 00:42.10 | flamethrower | Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. |
| 00:42.10 | flamethrower | fixme:win:SetWindowTextA setting text "Winamp Setup" of other process window (nil) should not use SendMessage |
| 00:42.17 | mike_sol | cougar`, use a better client |
| 00:42.26 | mike_sol | !tell cougar` about lftp |
| 00:42.28 | sander | depends on the block size.. or something |
| 00:42.31 | flamethrower | DAmnit, I'm gonna just copy things one line at a time |
| 00:42.35 | sander | anyone good at lvm? |
| 00:42.36 | flamethrower | And paste them in to ONE LINE |
| 00:42.49 | resiak | flamethrower: Why do you keep pasting that here? THis is not a WINE channel. |
| 00:42.50 | darsie | mike_sol: yep, blank srceen. I did xdpyinfo -display :0.0 from the text console. |
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| 00:42.59 | cougar` | mike_sol : I'm using built in sftp support thru ssh |
| 00:43.05 | Luka666 | ellow |
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| 00:43.07 | flamethrower | resiak, read the x serve rline. |
| 00:43.20 | mrec | hmm is there any tool for figuring out the correct id3 tags for various mp3s? |
| 00:43.23 | flamethrower | The x server problem has given me hell for about an hour and I dont' know how to fix it |
| 00:43.24 | resiak | flamethrower: I did. Go ask #winehq (I think their channel is called). |
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| 00:43.25 | mike_sol | darsie try xinit and see if it still has problem |
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| 00:43.30 | darsie | ok ... |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | mrec: i'm sure there are many |
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| 00:44.04 | Luka666 | dumb question: will all the programs work if i compile an older kernel and install it? and could i compile the kernel on another (faster) computer? |
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| 00:44.30 | abrotman | !kp |
| 00:44.30 | dpkg | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 00:44.42 | psychonate | How does one burn a DVD image (ISO) via command line? |
| 00:45.06 | flamethrower | Aaand #winehq is pure idle. |
| 00:45.10 | WaREX | mike_sol: do you use minicom to read and write or just to write? |
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| 00:45.21 | Luka666 | abrotman thx |
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| 00:46.07 | iuse | how do install gtk ? |
| 00:46.22 | Guerin | iuse: install something which needs it |
| 00:46.29 | iuse | hum ... |
| 00:46.32 | Guerin | !wayttd iuse |
| 00:46.32 | iuse | gimp ? |
| 00:46.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iuse? |
| 00:46.40 | iuse | instaling bittorrent |
| 00:46.47 | Guerin | iuse: gimp needs gtk2, yes. |
| 00:46.49 | iuse | lol |
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| 00:46.52 | iuse | gimp it is |
| 00:46.56 | resiak | ... |
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| 00:47.09 | Guerin | iuse: the debian package of bittorrent? |
| 00:47.18 | iuse | Guerin: yes |
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| 00:47.24 | Guerin | iuse: you probably want to apt-cache search python gtk2 |
| 00:47.38 | iuse | Guerin: i think i already installed that |
| 00:47.38 | Guerin | iuse: or look at the recommends: or suggests: lines for bittorrent |
| 00:47.51 | iuse | Guerin: python-gtk |
| 00:47.53 | Guerin | iuse: don't think, know. |
| 00:47.53 | iuse | something |
| 00:47.59 | iuse | im gonna chek it |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | iuse: what are you trying to install ? |
| 00:48.53 | flamethrower | How do I open .gz files? |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | gunzip |
| 00:48.58 | Luka666 | abrotman: that didnt help me much |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | Luka666: why not ? |
| 00:49.16 | iuse | i want python gtk |
| 00:49.22 | Luka666 | abrotman: i need to compile it on another computer, and i need to put the 2.2 kernel if possible |
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| 00:49.31 | abrotman | Luka666: why ? |
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| 00:49.42 | Luka666 | abrotman: p1 computer ;> |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | Luka666: you can use kernel-package to compile a kernel on another machine |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | Luka666: a 2.4 will run fine on that |
| 00:50.04 | darsie | mike_sol_brb: well, the display is tame with xinit. |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | Luka666: i run a 2.6 on a 486 :) |
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| 00:50.09 | WaREX | asd |
| 00:50.23 | Luka666 | abrotman how fast is it? i need it to be as fast as possible |
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| 00:50.51 | abrotman | Luka666: how much RAM ? |
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| 00:51.05 | Iam8up | did: cp --archive --recursive --preserve /mnt/sdb2 /mnt/sda |
| 00:51.05 | Iam8up | [19:49] <Iam8up> and got err: cp: cannot create dir '/mnt/sda/sdb2': operation not permitted |
| 00:51.10 | darsie | lucox: my kernels compile in about 10 min on a P4 1800 MHz. |
| 00:51.23 | Luka666 | abrotman 64mb (maybe 98 if i can find a board that has 4 ram slots) |
| 00:51.23 | thingfish | oh bs |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | Luka666: are you going to run X ? |
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| 00:51.46 | thingfish | I have a P4 3.0 and it takes 45 minutes for me. |
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| 00:51.59 | Guerin | Iam8up: be root, make sure it's mounted rw |
| 00:52.03 | Luka666 | abrotman: thats the next step ;> |
| 00:52.05 | bookmark | jeez wtf is up with freenode nickserv |
| 00:52.07 | Guerin | Iam8up: also -a implies both -p and -r |
| 00:52.13 | bookmark | its GAAAAAAAAAAAY! |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | Luka666: honestly .. i'd go for a 2.4 .. then try X |
| 00:52.21 | thingfish | :/ |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | bookmark: is that all ? |
| 00:52.34 | Guerin | bookmark: gay? really? what, doe sit keep calling your shirley? |
| 00:52.36 | bookmark | no you can't talk in #linux because some stupid bot says so |
| 00:52.38 | Luka666 | abrotman: why not 2.2? shouldnt it run faster? |
| 00:52.49 | RichiH | bookmark: well, our network, our rules :) |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | bookmark: you have to registered .. register or stop crying |
| 00:53.00 | bookmark | but the bot is broken you nitwit |
| 00:53.07 | bookmark | UHHHHHH I DID DORKS |
| 00:53.11 | bookmark | well it won't let me |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | bookmark: are you just going to sit here and abuse us ? |
| 00:53.16 | fbi | get out. |
| 00:53.16 | dregan | With the help of this irc, and flogging google, I have managed to get profix/imap to Maildirs working, thankyou. Pleas save me some grief in reccomending personal prefrences to webmail - eg squirrelmail (the one I read about and the one my company uses), the one I am most likely to succed in installing<g> |
| 00:53.22 | Guerin | bookmark: oh. you did dorks, and you think it's the BOT which is gay. |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | Luka666: it might .. but support for lots of stuff is missing |
| 00:53.32 | RichiH | bookmark: please stop whatever that is supposed to be :) |
| 00:53.33 | foo | Does debian have a GUI installer? |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | no |
| 00:53.41 | bookmark | :) |
| 00:53.43 | Guerin | foo: in beta |
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| 00:53.45 | dood | There is one being worked on foo. |
| 00:53.46 | foo | Guerin: nice |
| 00:53.50 | bookmark | man you knowz what i'mz sayingz yall |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | Guerin: *forever* :) |
| 00:53.58 | Guerin | foo: nothing wrong with the curses installer |
| 00:54.04 | bookmark | the bot is frookin broken and i'm just trying to get your attentionz about it |
| 00:54.04 | stew | curses is graphical |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | what a tard |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | stew: FSVO graphical |
| 00:54.14 | Guerin | bookmark: your z key is malfunctioning |
| 00:54.15 | thingfish | I think d-i is marvy. |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | stew: i agree with you .. but i know what he meant |
| 00:54.21 | bookmark | as is the bot |
| 00:54.24 | bookmark | DIG? |
| 00:54.27 | Guerin | bookmark: tell #freenode |
| 00:54.32 | thingfish | I mean, it's perfect: it's just what you need, nothing more. |
| 00:54.33 | Luka666 | abrotman: i need support for: mouse, keyboard, NIC, monitor and a sound card |
| 00:54.33 | foo | Guerin: nah, I like it. Just wondering :) |
| 00:54.33 | fbi | pressing enter 20 times is hard enough, i don't need things to click |
| 00:54.33 | bookmark | k i shall |
| 00:54.36 | Guerin | bookmark: we neither care, nor can do anything about it |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | Luka666: what nic ? |
| 00:54.41 | bookmark | you just did |
| 00:55.07 | Guerin | bookmark: if you'd been unlazy enough to read the freenode faq, you'd know that already. |
| 00:55.31 | bookmark | as if only lazy people don't read every doc on the planet about every thing they use |
| 00:55.35 | bookmark | give me a break mang |
| 00:55.38 | bookmark | i'm just in a jam |
| 00:55.41 | Luka666 | abrotman: dont know right now. i think its a standard NIC (realtek chipset probably). in my experience 2.2 better supports NICs :> |
| 00:55.42 | bookmark | don't want no scuff |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | Luka666: that's not likely |
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| 00:56.15 | abrotman | aw hell .. i'm not even sure realtek was available during 2.2 :) |
| 00:56.28 | Guerin | abrotman: sure it was |
| 00:56.29 | abrotman | !praise tulip |
| 00:56.30 | litage | if i run mkinitrd with "-r /dev/md0", will the RAID array need to be active before the initial ramdisk can be loaded? |
| 00:56.41 | Luka666 | abrotman not tulip please |
| 00:56.42 | joe__ | I have Fedora on hda (the master HD) and Debian on hd2. I don't use Fedora but I want to install Windows. Can I do that and put grub on the same HD |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | Luka666: in 2.2 ... they are king |
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| 00:57.14 | thingfish | !confuse joe__ |
| 00:57.15 | dpkg | Yes, what are your pants today, joe__? shirts of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cream |
| 00:57.24 | aFlag | does anyone know about another run-application thing other than that one from gnome or the one from kde? |
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| 00:57.31 | litage | joe__: if "Can I do that" is asking whether or not you can replace your Fedora installation with Windows, the answer is yes |
| 00:57.33 | Luka666 | abrotman: couldnt get one of my cards working with it in 2.4. with 2.2.20 (default 3.0 install kernel) the network card worked perfectly |
| 00:57.47 | joe__ | liable, but I want grub on the same HD as windows |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | Luka666: did you try the tulip *and* the de4x5 driver ? |
| 00:57.53 | joe__ | or lilo |
| 00:58.01 | joe__ | litage I mean |
| 00:58.32 | litage | joe__: that's fine. after installing windows, install grub on to the windows-HD's MBR |
| 00:58.34 | Luka666 | abrotman only the tulip. in the end i gave that card to a happy windows user :> |
| 00:58.46 | joe__ | how can i do that? |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | Luka666: many of them don't work with tulip but with de4x5 |
| 00:59.02 | joe__ | can i do it from the debian net install cd? |
| 00:59.14 | Luka666 | abrotman: btw: kernel compiled on ubuntu should work on debian, right? |
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| 00:59.35 | abrotman | Luka666: anyways .. i'd try the 2.4 first .. if you need to .. use kernel-package to compile a 2.2 on another box(probably with a gcc3) and then install that package on the other box |
| 00:59.48 | litage | joe__: boot into linux, run ``grub'', then type ``root (hdX)'' then ``setup (hdX)'', replacing "X" with the drive letter (eg: 'a' or 'b' or ..) |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | Luka666: i have no idea .. i avoid ubuntu like my family |
| 00:59.53 | iuse | hum ... installed gimp and bittorrent still asks for gtk |
| 00:59.58 | iuse | now this is weird |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | iuse: are you trying to compile bittorrent ? |
| 01:00.08 | iuse | abrotman: nop |
| 01:00.09 | iuse | .deb |
| 01:00.12 | joe__ | ahh, ok thanks |
| 01:00.15 | Bogaurd | hey - is there any reason for me NOT to use etch on a little home server? it's not going to be any less stable than sarge for what i want, is it? |
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| 01:00.19 | abrotman | iuse: from debian or somewhere else ? |
| 01:00.25 | iuse | bittorrent.com |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | Bogaurd: it could be |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | iuse: what package is it asking for ? |
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| 01:00.46 | Bogaurd | abrotman: in what way? |
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| 01:00.56 | iuse | abrotman: says something about gtk modue |
| 01:01.01 | abrotman | Bogaurd: ask anyone here about udev in testing/unstable :) |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | iuse: how about an actual error message ? |
| 01:01.20 | thingfish | man, that's all you read about in here anymore, is udev. |
| 01:01.37 | iuse | ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | thingfish: and why is that? .. cause it's packed full of short bus special :) |
| 01:01.40 | iuse | there you go |
| 01:01.48 | thingfish | it's like udev=elvis came back from the dead. |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | iuse: did you install python-gtk ? |
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| 01:02.00 | abrotman | iuse: apt-cache search python gtk |
| 01:02.03 | iuse | abrotman: yup |
| 01:02.04 | thingfish | hehe short bus special... |
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| 01:02.22 | abrotman | iuse: which package did you install ? |
| 01:02.24 | Bogaurd | okay, well, say distrowatch.org tells me that etch has gcc 4.0.2, whereas sarge has 3.3.5, can i update the package to the etch version using apt-get fairly easily? |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | iuse: dpkg -i <yourdebfrombt.com> |
| 01:02.40 | Bogaurd | (not just for gcc, for any package) |
| 01:02.41 | iuse | 2.3 |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | iuse: and that works ? |
| 01:03.10 | iuse | np |
| 01:03.12 | iuse | o |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | iuse: what's the error ? |
| 01:03.27 | iuse | the one i just pasted |
| 01:03.36 | iuse | moment |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | that's not an error from dpkg -i |
| 01:03.48 | iuse | i think i know whats the prob |
| 01:03.51 | fr33mind | Kernel bug at vmscan.c:432 (...) in process kswapd during apt-get dist-upgrade! I can reboot but I don't have network interfaces anymore. ifup eth0 tell me that /etc/network/run/ifstate doesn't exist. Maybe /dev isn't good? I don't really know about /dev. Something to try? |
| 01:04.07 | thingfish | eww like you want gcc 4.0.2...in my day, gcc 3.x.x was good enough... |
| 01:04.16 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:04.23 | poonj | I hate my fucking computer |
| 01:04.25 | poonj | I do a remote boot |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | Bogaurd: why do you thnik you want gcc4 ? |
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| 01:04.37 | poonj | and then for some reason, it says that the x-server can't start |
| 01:04.45 | Bogaurd | abrotman: i dont :P i was just using it as an example. |
| 01:04.46 | poonj | I DIDNT do anything to the fucking computer |
| 01:04.48 | poonj | I hate the piece of shit |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | poonj: /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 01:04.56 | thingfish | 'cause all the hollywood kids have gcc 4 |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | Bogaurd: i'm just saying that stuff can/will break |
| 01:05.14 | Bogaurd | abrotman: i just wanna know if i can update a package to the etch version fairly easily |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | Bogaurd: etch is still in the midst of an ABI change .. and from what i understand .. another is coming |
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| 01:05.33 | abrotman | Bogaurd: yes and no |
| 01:05.36 | poonj | abrotman, I'm not home |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | Bogaurd: it depends on the package |
| 01:05.42 | abrotman | poonj: oh ok |
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| 01:05.52 | poonj | abrotman, but the thing is, I DIDNT DO SQUAT TO THE COMPUTER |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | poonj: i'd blame my parents |
| 01:06.02 | Bogaurd | abrotman: okay :) |
| 01:06.09 | Bogaurd | i'll stick to sarge then ;) |
| 01:06.12 | poonj | fuck |
| 01:06.15 | Luka666 | whats the easiest way to check which files are the biggest? |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | Bogaurd: if you try to change gcc or libc .. it could break lots of stuff |
| 01:06.38 | Bogaurd | i can always update to etch once it becomes stable using dpkg, right? |
| 01:06.44 | thingfish | Bogaurd: smart decision! |
| 01:06.52 | thingfish | sarge is nice and comfy. |
| 01:06.59 | Bogaurd | =) |
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| 01:07.18 | bookmark | argh |
| 01:07.19 | Bogaurd | nice and up to date compared with my old woody box. |
| 01:07.35 | thingfish | hey people use xp and it's how many years old? |
| 01:07.36 | bookmark | the god dang nickserv is busted and no one will do anything about it |
| 01:07.48 | dood | 6 years almost now. |
| 01:07.52 | thingfish | so see |
| 01:08.01 | bookmark | they freakin banned me in #freenode when i mentioned it |
| 01:08.10 | dood | lol |
| 01:08.10 | fbi | bookmark: why don't you cry about it in here then. |
| 01:08.17 | bookmark | or maybe i was never talking in there i don't know |
| 01:08.25 | bookmark | i get error, can not send to channel freenode |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | because you have to wait |
| 01:08.32 | bookmark | grrrrr |
| 01:08.33 | dood | It might be +m. |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | it's a moderated channel |
| 01:08.41 | bookmark | because i have no registered nick |
| 01:08.46 | fbi | someone has to +v you |
| 01:08.49 | Luka666 | whats the easiest way to check which files are the biggest? |
| 01:08.49 | bookmark | but the stupid bot is fooked |
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| 01:09.06 | bookmark | goot lord |
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| 01:09.25 | abrotman | bookmark: we don't care ... try ##linux |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | Luka666: measuring tape |
| 01:09.48 | thingfish | the ## means it's 1337 |
| 01:09.50 | bookmark | very vunny abrotman, you know i can't send to #linux |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | fbi: unless you're special |
| 01:10.01 | dood | Luka666, have the file viewer arrange files by size. |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | bookmark: afaik .. #linux and ##linux are different |
| 01:10.03 | bookmark | and i'm glad you get to speak for like 200 people in this channel |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | (unless they've changed it since the last i was in there) |
| 01:10.31 | Luka666 | dood: what file viewer? |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | dood: he means the *entire* system |
| 01:10.57 | bookmark | can't talk in ##linux either |
| 01:11.07 | dood | OK, I get you. |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | bookmark: and which distro are you using ? |
| 01:11.19 | bookmark | debian |
| 01:11.27 | dood | \o/ |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | bookmark: and btw .. you're NOT registered with nickserv |
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| 01:11.47 | bookmark | WELL NO FLIPPIN POOP |
| 01:11.47 | imex | 2 questions, how do i use the usb stuff? can i install Debian with usb nic? |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | bookmark: do you have a debian question ? |
| 01:12.05 | bookmark | no |
| 01:12.07 | thingfish | why oh why |
| 01:12.09 | bookmark | i ownz debian |
| 01:12.09 | abrotman | then get out |
| 01:12.14 | caphuso | oh god, bookmark is back |
| 01:12.23 | dood | bookmark, grow up. |
| 01:12.32 | bookmark | im 28 and support myself |
| 01:12.34 | bookmark | thanks |
| 01:12.37 | thingfish | !ops bookmark is an enemy of mankind. |
| 01:12.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: bookmark is an enemy of mankind. |
| 01:12.50 | dood | Then act like it. |
| 01:12.56 | bookmark | i am |
| 01:13.01 | bookmark | fix the bot |
| 01:13.24 | abrotman | caphuso: can you kill him? :) |
| 01:13.27 | dood | /msg nickserv help |
| 01:13.30 | caphuso | abrotman: one second |
| 01:13.38 | imex | hmmm |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | caphuso: you're getting slow in your old age :) |
| 01:13.42 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 01:14.03 | Phated | \o/ |
| 01:14.04 | thingfish | hehe "in his dotage". |
| 01:14.05 | Luka666 | p0wah :> |
| 01:14.11 | icc | hey everyone. I have man cp'd for hours and now i am stuck. I am trying to "cp" an entire directory. I have an NTFS partition that I am trying to copy to another ntfs part. please help! |
| 01:14.11 | thingfish | yay! |
| 01:14.27 | thingfish | !ice cream caphuso |
| 01:14.34 | thingfish | :( |
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| 01:14.43 | fbi | icc: you can't write to ntfs |
| 01:14.46 | dood | You can't write NTFS in Linux; only read. |
| 01:14.56 | icc | fbi: please explain |
| 01:15.04 | dood | You would need to do that in an OS that supports it icc. |
| 01:15.10 | fbi | icc: google captive ntfs |
| 01:15.10 | abrotman | you can .. but your data may get permanently killed |
| 01:15.21 | caphuso | abrotman: behave like a moron and you get a special kind of write access ;-) |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:15.35 | icc | fbi: i mounted and mprobed it ...and i have it in my fstab as rw |
| 01:15.36 | gozz | how can i find out my ip address? |
| 01:15.40 | caphuso | ifconfig |
| 01:16.17 | mike_sol_brb | good night all |
| 01:16.28 | gozz | thanks |
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| 01:17.14 | thingfish | I betcha cheney and libby and all them ran red hat. |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:17.38 | thingfish | hehe come on |
| 01:17.50 | daft | apt-get wants to install a package that cant be installed and keeps asking for apt-get -f install how can i override that |
| 01:18.07 | abrotman | daft: give it the package |
| 01:18.09 | imex | i got iwconfig error, what do i do? |
| 01:18.30 | mrec | hmm which debian module contains the python wx module? |
| 01:18.37 | mrec | debian packet* |
| 01:18.37 | cheal | imex: which error? what do you want to do? |
| 01:18.46 | cheal | mrec: you must mean package |
| 01:18.48 | imex | i just installed a wireless nic using usb |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | !tell mrec about search |
| 01:18.53 | daft | abrotman nope not working a package is installed that has depence on it |
| 01:18.58 | cheal | mrec: $ apt-cache search wxpython |
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| 01:19.03 | imex | so i was going into wlan setup in kcontrol |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | daft: not working why not ? |
| 01:19.15 | imex | and thats the error i am getting |
| 01:19.20 | foo | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ - is there two dvd's to download? |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | for sarge .. yes |
| 01:19.34 | foo | abrotman: Why? So much stuff ... |
| 01:19.40 | foo | abrotman: Do I need the second one for an install |
| 01:19.48 | ronauger | w/ |
| 01:19.48 | abrotman | foo: do you have broadband ? |
| 01:20.06 | daft | dev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 01:20.09 | mrec | cheal: well I installed some packets but it still doesn't work |
| 01:20.21 | foo | abrotman: yes |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | daft: you want linux-image-2.6-<yourarch> |
| 01:20.25 | foo | abrotman: net install, eh? |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | !d-i foo |
| 01:20.29 | dpkg | foo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:20.36 | cheal | imex: what's that error? do you have a screenshot? |
| 01:20.50 | daft | abrotman no I dont want that |
| 01:21.01 | imex | cheal: nothing yet cause i m trying to switch from wired nic toi wireless nic |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | daft: but you want a newer udev ? |
| 01:21.20 | cheal | mrec: which it are you talking about? and which packages did you install? |
| 01:21.22 | foo | abrotman: Why 2 dvd's worth of stuff? isn't that a lot ? |
| 01:21.23 | daft | no |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 01:21.36 | foo | dpkg: Well? |
| 01:21.36 | mrec | cheal: ah well I see the problem it's only available for python2.3 |
| 01:21.37 | dpkg | That's a deep subject, foo. |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | daft: that is seemingly what it is trying to install |
| 01:21.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | foo: ^^ |
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| 01:22.03 | foo | abrotman: 28183 should be able to fit on a single dvd disk, eh? |
| 01:22.04 | daft | it just hapeld to be depended on some thing it isnt my server the owner asked me to clean things up a bit |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | foo: 8871 MB compressed size. .. that's almost 9GB |
| 01:22.28 | imex | cheal: should i restart pc with the wireless nic and disconnect the wired part? |
| 01:22.29 | foo | ahh, my bad |
| 01:22.59 | daft | abrotman well I want to apt-get remove a lot i dont like udev any way |
| 01:23.33 | imex | cheal: let me try and connect later |
| 01:23.36 | cheal | imex: I have no idea what's your problem because I don't know the error. I don't know that part of kcontrol neither |
| 01:23.57 | imex | cheal: i am trying to use the wireless part instead |
| 01:24.13 | imex | right now i am wired |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | daft: then do it |
| 01:24.40 | imex | sorry i made it too hard to understand |
| 01:24.43 | cheal | imex: that doesn't tell me which error you are talking about |
| 01:25.05 | daft | abrotman but i want to know how i can override that apt-get instal -f thingy |
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| 01:25.22 | abrotman | daft: whatever it's trying to install .. make it stop |
| 01:25.22 | imex | cheal: dont worry about the error? how easy to setup the wireless nic ? |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | daft: but really .. i don't think you want to remove udev |
| 01:25.59 | cheal | imex: that depends on many things. wireless is usually hard under linux |
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| 01:26.21 | imex | cheal: understood, but is it possible? |
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| 01:26.48 | daft | <abrotman> daft: whatever it's trying to install .. make it stop <== I know that HOW |
| 01:27.03 | imex | since i looked at dmesg and it says usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2 |
| 01:27.06 | abrotman | daft: remove the package is one way |
| 01:27.17 | cheal | imex: that depends on what exactly you're trying to do, what hardware you have, and possibly other things |
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| 01:27.18 | imex | thats the only usb device thats on the pc |
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| 01:27.49 | imex | pc c-733, 128mb, built-in 810 video/sound, tv tuner card |
| 01:28.00 | daft | but then it stats to say : Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 01:28.01 | imex | and of course 3com nic now on |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | daft: did you use dpkg or apt-get ? |
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| 01:28.58 | daft | got it |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | sure ? |
| 01:29.04 | cheal | imex: I don't know 3com NIC-s. anyway I doubt all 3com NIC-s work equally good |
| 01:29.05 | daft | omg nice list of packages |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | daft: what package did you remote ? |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | err remove ? |
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| 01:29.32 | daft | some gnome packages |
| 01:29.37 | daft | :/ |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | you didn't remove udev ? |
| 01:29.47 | daft | also |
| 01:29.50 | imex | the 3com nic now is good, but i want to use usb nic |
| 01:30.00 | daft | gnome on a webserver what a mess |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | duh |
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| 01:30.20 | meff | is there anything special i need to know about using sata on linux? using k3b on-the-fly i can barely burn a cd at 5x speed, when this works fine off of my uata133 pata drive |
| 01:30.28 | daft | I think ill run a apt-get remove xserver-common --purge |
| 01:30.39 | meff | s/cd/dvd |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | daft: but you purged udev ? |
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| 01:31.00 | daft | no i removed it |
| 01:31.00 | cheal | imex: I missed which USB NIC you're talking about |
| 01:31.21 | abrotman | daft: this isn't a remote system .. is it ? |
| 01:31.21 | daft | not with --purge |
| 01:31.25 | daft | yea |
| 01:31.27 | imex | its a generic one |
| 01:31.39 | daft | but udev was never installed |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | daft: how remote ? |
| 01:31.42 | cheal | imex: a generic one? what does that mean? |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | daft: erm .. ok .. i hope it reboots |
| 01:31.59 | imex | cheal: its almost like noname brand |
| 01:32.27 | cheal | imex: it's not a question of brand, it's a question of chipset |
| 01:32.59 | imex | cheal: hmmm |
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| 01:33.12 | daft | then ill going to purge it :) |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | daft: that's not what i meant .. but whatever |
| 01:34.49 | daft | oO thanx abrot im getting sweety over here |
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| 01:35.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: kill! |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: see the hostmask above ? :) |
| 01:35.40 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:35.45 | Wyzard | chad__: hello :-) |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: what did you get ? |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you know him ? |
| 01:35.58 | chad__ | Wyzard: hello |
| 01:36.16 | Wyzard | abrotman: yes |
| 01:36.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10000001&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840&partNumber=252904U |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can't bring IRL friends to #debian! |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: wtf .. Z series ? |
| 01:37.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: What about it? |
| 01:37.46 | abrotman | how many damn series do they have now |
| 01:37.52 | Wyzard | lol |
| 01:37.59 | Luka666 | im trying to compile 2.2.25 kernel and i get this error: http://pastebin.com/431167 Whats wrong? |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: i couldn't do it .. stupid touch pad |
| 01:38.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: It has a nub too |
| 01:38.25 | abrotman | Luka666: at least use a current kernel . jeez |
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| 01:38.32 | ealm | I need an USB 2.0 PCMCIA card with dongle... can you recommend one? (I have found EZ USB 2.0 and USBGear U2-C20A) |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know .. but i have issues with the trackpads |
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| 01:38.53 | abrotman | ealm: read your question again |
| 01:38.56 | chad__ | Please forgive my ignorance; I just re-installed stable over an existing installation. I did not install GRUB because it should have already existed on disk and not have needed to change. But when I boot, GRUB exits with error 15 before showing its menu. |
| 01:39.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: It also has a wireless card and video card which are both well-supported by open-source drivers, plus built-in gigabit ethernet |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: so does mine! |
| 01:39.21 | dondelelcaro | chad__: boot off of rescue media, and rerun grub-install. |
| 01:39.23 | daft | abrotman so best way to make shure it reboots is to install udev and a new kernel |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | wait .. not GbE though .. but well ... i haven't plugged it in in ages |
| 01:39.35 | ealm | abrotman: you mean both those are equally good and will work in linux? |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | daft: you said you weren't using udev before |
| 01:39.48 | abrotman | ealm: i mean .. you asked for a USB PCMCIA device |
| 01:39.51 | chad__ | I think this is related to the fact that my bios reports drives on my extra IDE controller before the ones connected to the motherboard |
| 01:40.05 | daft | abrotman i gess but im not shure some one totaly made a mess of it and asked me to chean it up |
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| 01:40.17 | abrotman | ealm: are you saying you need a PCMCIA card that provides USB2 ports ? |
| 01:40.18 | ealm | abrotman: ok, I need an usb 2.0 pcmcia card THAT WILL WORK IN LINUX, and preferably of high quality then |
| 01:40.23 | ealm | abrotman: yes |
| 01:40.30 | chad__ | Was I mistaken to think that I would not need to reinstall GRUB? |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | ealm: i'm not aware of any that don't work .. |
| 01:40.38 | imex | cheal: ZD1211, does it help? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | ealm: i'd google for model numbers before you buy .. |
| 01:40.57 | ealm | abrotman: do you know if any of those brands I mentioned is better than the other? |
| 01:41.03 | Wyzard | chad__: GRUB error 15 is apparently "file not found" -- it means GRUB loaded successfully and has read its configuration file, but the kernel specified by the configuration file does not exist |
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| 01:41.27 | ealm | abrotman: I did, but there's very little info on these... and it really needs to be dongled so I could only find these two |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | ealm: i've never heard of either |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | ealm: it might be better to find the chipset they use .. and google for that |
| 01:41.47 | tam | when i flashed my bios it went *all* wrong and when i go to configure it it won't let me change the default boot sequence or anything, it won't accept any cd's and it won't load default settings...is there a way to restore it somehow? |
| 01:41.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, http://www.thinkwiki.org/ is a very nice site |
| 01:42.06 | cheal | imex: it will help *you* find how much it's supposed to work. try http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211 |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. my modem used to work ... |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: though i've only tried the sl driver |
| 01:43.12 | litage | when booting and activating the RAID array, md1 isn't started, and /proc/mdstat says it's inactive. how can i activate md1?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/t20F5Z56.html |
| 01:43.44 | imex | cheal: cool, let me check it out |
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| 01:45.15 | ealm | abrotman: I really can't find out what chipsets they use.. |
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| 01:45.24 | abrotman | ealm: what are the model numbers ? |
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| 01:46.29 | ealm | "EZ USB 2.0 CARDBUS PC CARD" and "USBGear USB 2.0 Cardbus-32 Card PCMCIA, 2 port Dongle" (U2-C20A) |
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| 01:47.30 | abrotman | ealm: well .. it says it's compliant with ehci and ohci .. that's a good thing |
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| 01:47.38 | welson | hi |
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| 01:48.28 | ealm | abrotman: yes both are |
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| 01:48.57 | abrotman | ealm: i'd think that to be good enough .. but i'm not sure |
| 01:49.09 | ealm | abrotman: ok, thank you |
| 01:49.32 | ealm | abrotman: I'll just order the U2-C20A since it is sold at more places |
| 01:49.33 | ealm | thanzx |
| 01:49.35 | abrotman | ealm: though .. i'd make a stop in #linux ... |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | ealm: oh wait .. you're ordering online ? |
| 01:50.01 | PitchForkLinux | I want to set up dns on a private network behind a firewalling/router. I'm only allowed to have one IP addy from my ISP. My ISP provides DNS but I want my local private network to use internal DNS lookups as well as external lookups. Can anyone advise on what type of DNS service I should setup and maybe suggest a good article for that. In the future I also want to expose some of the internal ip's ... will this change the type of DNS s |
| 01:50.01 | ealm | abrotman: yes |
| 01:50.01 | abrotman | ealm: i thought you were going to the store :) |
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| 01:50.15 | ealm | abrotman: no, online ;) |
| 01:50.19 | deigo | hello, this text tells me to rmmod saa7127 insmod saa7127 enable_output=1 output_select=0 test_image=1 im on stable, and rmmod saa7127 executes without errors but the module is still listed in lsmod, and typing that insmod command results in file not found, any ideas what the debian equivilant would be? |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | ealm: yeah .... i'd do a bit more research |
| 01:51.16 | ealm | abrotman: yeah but these are the only two with dongles I can find |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | ealm: then i guess your choices are limited |
| 01:51.29 | ealm | abrotman: and the info coming up on google really is limited |
| 01:51.38 | ealm | I guess :( |
| 01:52.18 | deigo | PitchForkLinux: what you mean expose? |
| 01:52.47 | PitchForkLinux | the public can reach them from the world wide web... |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: fix my modem! |
| 01:53.18 | deigo | hmm |
| 01:53.25 | deigo | what do you mean reach |
| 01:53.31 | deigo | like, connect peer 2 peer? |
| 01:53.34 | Wyzard | abrotman: What do you need a modem for when you have broadband? |
| 01:53.44 | deigo | the idea is your going to have to implement nat'ing |
| 01:53.47 | deigo | but thats fairly simple |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: if it's down :) |
| 01:54.16 | PitchForkLinux | well.. for instance find a web server on my private network |
| 01:54.19 | deigo | anyone know how to pass options to modules? i THOUGHT it was making a file for it in modprobe.d |
| 01:54.31 | deigo | PitchForkLinux: youll have to do both nat'ing and port forwarding |
| 01:54.40 | deigo | iptables |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. it used to compile . it doesn't any more :) |
| 01:54.45 | foo | hmm, ok. My screen is just blanking ... weird. After about 20 min or so - any ideas? I have tried everything from dpkg |
| 01:54.56 | PitchForkLinux | ok.. on my gateway correct |
| 01:55.08 | deigo | foo: 20 minutes of running or idling? |
| 01:55.21 | foo | deigo: idling .. me not moving the mouse. In fluxbox |
| 01:55.30 | Gnea | foo: that's normal. |
| 01:55.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: You have to compile something to use a modem? |
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| 01:55.43 | foo | Gnea: Ah, how can I stop it ? |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: slmodem .. or ltmodem .. take your pick :) |
| 01:55.48 | deigo | PitchForkLinux: thats an option, you can also put it on whatever computer you have debian on |
| 01:56.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: haven't heard of either... is it a winmodem driver? |
| 01:56.06 | Gnea | foo: do you turn your monitor off when not in use? |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | !slmodem |
| 01:56.19 | dpkg | well, slmodem is http://www.smlink.com/content.aspx?id=132 |
| 01:56.20 | foo | Gnea: Yeah... but I want this screen on so I can glance at it and check stuff |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes .. same you will have .. |
| 01:56.35 | Gnea | foo: hrm... i'm not sure... but i'd like to know as well... |
| 01:56.40 | foo | Gnea: hehe |
| 01:56.55 | Gnea | foo: i bet i can find it on google before you an |
| 01:56.56 | Gnea | can |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think you will have |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Modem_Daughter_Card_(MDC) |
| 01:57.21 | deigo | heh |
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| 01:57.28 | deigo | if you install xscreensaver |
| 01:57.33 | deigo | you can stop it |
| 01:57.35 | Gnea | foo: http://www.patoche.org/LTT/screen/00000088.html |
| 01:57.41 | Gnea | !win me |
| 01:57.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, gnea! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:57.43 | foo | bah |
| 01:57.48 | Gnea | ROFL |
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| 01:57.49 | foo | haha |
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| 01:58.04 | mrec | bah python sucks |
| 01:58.13 | deigo | yeah, like i said |
| 01:58.15 | deigo | xscreensaver |
| 01:58.16 | deigo | ;) |
| 01:58.21 | Gnea | i thought pythons spit, not sucked |
| 01:58.21 | mrec | where the hell can I get that damn wx module? |
| 01:58.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'll try it out on mine once it arrives in a few weeks, but I'm not too concerned about whether it works... I have essentially zero use for a POTS modem these days |
| 01:58.27 | PitchForkLinux | ok.. second question. I have a web hosting service and a registered domain name, but it is not provided for by my isp... so I have different DNS servers for each. That way if my domain name is mycompany.com I can call my private network office.mycompany.com withoput any DNS issues |
| 01:58.29 | deigo | again, how do you unload modules |
| 01:58.32 | mrec | I just downloaded wxpython and well it's not installed |
| 01:58.43 | deigo | rmmod seems to be what was used, it just won't make it disappear from lsmod, is that normal |
| 01:58.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's what you say now .. but it's always a good thing to have working |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: modem.c:1727: error: static declaration of ‘sregs_init’ follows non-static declaration |
| 01:58.53 | Gnea | deigo: modprobe -r <modulename> or rmmod <modulename> |
| 01:58.53 | deigo | and how do i insert modules with options? |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: isn't that a great error :) |
| 01:58.57 | deigo | ah |
| 01:58.59 | deigo | modprobe -r |
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| 01:59.02 | deigo | that seems better than rmmod |
| 01:59.15 | deigo | now for the options, i made a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 01:59.16 | Gnea | see what happens |
| 01:59.28 | erirlar | how can i chown and folder and its subfolder? |
| 01:59.36 | foo | Gnea: Ok, I did that. Now let's see if it works :)_ |
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| 01:59.43 | deigo | sweet |
| 01:59.44 | Gnea | chown -R user.group dir/ |
| 01:59.45 | deigo | unloaded |
| 01:59.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: gcc4 problem maybe? |
| 02:00.02 | deigo | erirlar: you mean it's parent or a subfolder within it? |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: i assume so . that doesnt' help me though |
| 02:00.20 | Gnea | foo: i just did too - the race is on :) |
| 02:00.33 | foo | Gnea: Hehe - ok, #ebay man :) |
| 02:00.38 | erirlar | deigo, subfolders within it |
| 02:00.54 | foo | Will DVD #1 suffice for an install ? Or should I get both? |
| 02:00.55 | Gnea | foo: oooooh shit! i had totally forgotten about that :)) |
| 02:01.08 | foo | Gnea: haha |
| 02:01.34 | Gnea | yeah, it'll do, you can always install the rest off the 'net anyhow - but if you wanna full install of the base and not bother upgrading, both |
| 02:01.41 | mhall | woohoo i got to get to the top of kingsley's list |
| 02:01.46 | mhall | i want to shit on his day |
| 02:02.11 | Gnea | foo: well i moved and got a better job, so ebay hasn't been something that's been entirely necessary, although i'm probably gonna get into it again soon anyway :) |
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| 02:02.40 | foo | Gnea: Nice - where to? |
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| 02:03.03 | Gnea | foo: i had really good luck selling computer parts, i've got a bunch tucked away to sell again |
| 02:03.06 | Gnea | foo: az |
| 02:03.15 | foo | Gnea: AZ? Where is that? |
| 02:03.23 | Gnea | arizona |
| 02:03.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:03.39 | tootyFNfruity | i have flashplugin-nonfree installed, when i play a cd with computer based training on it that is written in flash, it plays too fast - chipmunk like - anyone know how to fix that? |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | foo: aren't you in New Mexico ? |
| 02:03.48 | Gnea | you know, the twilight zone rofl |
| 02:03.57 | foo | I am going to be installing from the 2 dvd's .. should I expect a problem with my orinoco silver b card? |
| 02:04.00 | foo | abrotman: nah, LA area |
| 02:04.05 | deigo | erirlar: chown user.group . <-for the parent |
| 02:04.05 | deigo | and chown -R user.group subdir |
| 02:04.06 | foo | Gnea: ahh.. haha |
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| 02:04.45 | erirlar | deigo: thank you very mutch |
| 02:04.49 | deigo | np |
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| 02:05.24 | abrotman | foo: and you didn't know what AZ was ? |
| 02:05.52 | Hawkwind | abrotman: He's from LA, consider the source :P |
| 02:05.57 | foo | abrotman: haha. I didn't know it was an abreviation for a state... |
| 02:05.58 | harfooz | hi all -- I have a fresh Sid installation here. There are some menus that are using the British "colour" rather than the US "color" on them in Gnome. How can I change that? |
| 02:05.59 | foo | hah |
| 02:06.01 | foo | Hawkwind: !!! |
| 02:06.12 | ice_1963 | lol :0) |
| 02:06.20 | Hawkwind | foo: !!! |
| 02:08.09 | mhall | harfooz: and this is not the choice you favour; i.e. not your flavour of the month? |
| 02:08.18 | mhall | harfooz: i'd try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:08.27 | mhall | harfooz: and make sure your default locale isn't weird |
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| 02:09.03 | deigo | gonna try a reboot and see how it fairs |
| 02:09.10 | deigo | bbiab hopefully |
| 02:09.21 | philbo | So I'm running testing, and for a few weeks now I've been unable to install djview. Is testing a bad version to be running? Is unstable more usable than testing? |
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| 02:09.51 | worldcorp | umm testing should be alright, unstable is not |
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| 02:11.04 | philbo | worldcorp: well, so djview is also uninstallable in unstable? Or is it just me screwing something up? |
| 02:11.06 | iuse | how can i install mplayer ? |
| 02:11.23 | findme | iuse, apt-get install mplayer ? |
| 02:11.38 | dvs | !mplayer |
| 02:11.38 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 02:11.39 | findme | philbo, no idea about that freind |
| 02:11.41 | iuse | try it |
| 02:11.45 | iuse | and youl see |
| 02:11.47 | iuse | :p |
| 02:12.00 | findme | but generally in order of stability stable->Testing->unstable |
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| 02:15.25 | mhall | if i ever see kingsley i'm going to hell him i didn't know they stacked shit that high |
| 02:16.00 | harfooz | mhall, the only locale that is selected in the locales configuration is en_US ISO-8859-1 |
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| 02:19.15 | iuse | any mplayer backports ? |
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| 02:19.29 | asg | iuse: from what to what? |
| 02:19.36 | Baloo | Anybody know of a website with inn documentation that doesn't suck? |
| 02:19.49 | iuse | to install mplayer by apt |
| 02:19.59 | welson | Baloo, apt-cache search inn doc |
| 02:20.01 | dvs | iuse: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 02:20.07 | philbo | is there something as good as aptitude with purty gooey interface? |
| 02:20.18 | asg | iuse: mplayer worked on woody so if you want a backport, you must be running potato or slink or earlier? |
| 02:20.20 | thingfish | philbo: synaptic |
| 02:20.30 | litage | when booting kernel 2.6.14, it tries to load devfs for some reason, and then panics because /dev/console can't be opened. how can this be fixed? |
| 02:20.31 | dvs | philbo: synaptic |
| 02:20.40 | philbo | thingfish, dvs, thanks |
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| 02:21.00 | Baloo | welson: Nothing relevant gets returned. |
| 02:21.07 | sgorilla | any networking gurus in here? |
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| 02:21.15 | Baloo | sgorilla: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 02:21.16 | mhall | litage: that kernel does not support devfs |
| 02:21.25 | mhall | litage: so perhaps you'd better fix your kernel configuration |
| 02:21.39 | welson | Baloo, what about /usr/share/doc/<inn> ? |
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| 02:22.02 | Baloo | welson: Nothing that isn't in the comments of the config files. Totally useless. |
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| 02:22.06 | iuse | im on etch |
| 02:22.09 | iuse | :> |
| 02:22.24 | Baloo | welson: The only way to configure inn with the documentation provided by the package is to already know how to configure inn. |
| 02:22.29 | litage | mhall: i know 2.6.14 doesn't support devfs. that's why i'm confused |
| 02:22.35 | Boukensya | hey guys. I want to create a text file that has usernames and passwords in it. I want it to be password protected though where you have to put in a password to open it. Is there anything like this? |
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| 02:22.45 | asg | Boukensya: gnupg |
| 02:22.45 | litage | mhall: the thing is, this wasn't a problem before i ran mkinitrd |
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| 02:22.56 | welson | Baloo, find out the original makers' site, sometimes they have the old doc still relevant |
| 02:23.11 | Boukensya | asg, awesome, check it out now (: |
| 02:23.20 | Baloo | welson: That's where the Debian package got the documentation it ships with. |
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| 02:24.11 | welson | Baloo, same thing with realvnc,tightvnc, tricks still hangs around the old at&t doc |
| 02:24.29 | welson | Baloo, there's some sites available |
| 02:24.38 | Baloo | welson: Well, (real|tight)vnc's documentation exists. |
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| 02:25.05 | welson | Baloo, use pastebin.ca i'll see if i can help.. |
| 02:25.10 | Baloo | welson: That last one just brings us back to my original question, though. Where can I find these site? :o) |
| 02:25.42 | mhall | litage: mkinitrd is not supposed to work anymore supposedly |
| 02:25.49 | mhall | litage: supposedly you need this new tool yaird |
| 02:25.51 | Baloo | I'm still on the default configs at this point since I really don't know what to do at this point and don't have a place to start. |
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| 02:26.02 | mhall | litage: i don't know any more than this; please consider asking #kernel |
| 02:26.35 | asg | Baloo: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs-2.4/ |
| 02:26.39 | Baloo | What I'm looking to do is to use inn and suck to feed from a half-dozen or so NNTP servers, preferably only groups people are actually subscribed to, or some way to cut down what groups are carred. |
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| 02:27.12 | Baloo | asg: inn 1x... inn2 is broken out of the box in sid |
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| 02:27.30 | mhall | Baloo: usenet itself it broked out of the box anymore |
| 02:27.37 | mhall | Baloo: fucking bad design i guess |
| 02:27.43 | Baloo | mhall: That's beyond the scope of what I'm trying to fix. :o) |
| 02:27.50 | mhall | Baloo: ;-) |
| 02:27.58 | asg | Baloo: is that a long term problem or just a recent issue that the bts addresses? |
| 02:28.02 | mhall | Baloo: yeah i know i just like being an ass about stuff like that haha |
| 02:28.27 | Baloo | mhall: The sarcasm made it through ASCII just fine. |
| 02:28.28 | blanky | I burned debian dvds, just dont knwo if I should install right now, since I only have one hardrive and I dont wanna make partitions, already have ubuntu isntalled |
| 02:28.32 | blanky | *thinking so hard |
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| 02:29.00 | Baloo | blanky: There you go, sack ubuntu. Debian's an upgrade. :o) |
| 02:29.02 | mhall | Baloo: yeah but i have to raise my swearing rate to shit on kingsley's day |
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| 02:29.16 | ice_1963 | why do pepule say jest install x-window-system-core and not x-window-system ?? |
| 02:29.17 | Baloo | mhall: kingsley day? |
| 02:29.17 | welson | Baloo, isn't inn supposed to be simple hehe? doesn't dpkg -L inn show something? |
| 02:29.20 | mhall | Baloo: / week / month / year / lifetime |
| 02:29.33 | Boukensya | asg, do you know how to use gnupg? seems really advance and all I want to do is password protect a file. the manual is really confusing me |
| 02:29.36 | mhall | Baloo: www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 02:29.40 | blanky | Baloo: I've always thought that, lol, is debian different, I mean, I know ubuntu is based on it and what not, but if I get support from ubuntu will it apply to debian, I mean, except the sudo thing |
| 02:29.52 | asg | blanky: if ubuntu doesn't give you that *unclean* feeling then, parted can be used to resize partitions. If you like ubuntu, then use it but don't expect help here. |
| 02:30.00 | blanky | what's the latest version of debian? |
| 02:30.00 | Baloo | welson: No, but INN is exceptionally popular for being such a pain. dpkg -L is what originally pointed me towards /usr/share/doc/inn |
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| 02:30.07 | welson | blanky, no, the base tools are different, ask #ubuntu |
| 02:30.16 | blanky | yeah I know about #ubuntu |
| 02:30.18 | welson | Baloo, check the cron.d |
| 02:30.19 | blanky | I just love their support |
| 02:30.31 | asg | Boukensya: it is complex because it's powerful. Look at the -s option in the manpage for a quick symmetric solution. |
| 02:30.40 | Boukensya | (: |
| 02:30.42 | blanky | debian 3 = latest? |
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| 02:30.53 | asg | blanky: 3.1 is the latest stable |
| 02:31.39 | Baloo | welson: OK, interesting, but other than a really nifty crontab I still don't know what I'm looking at without the docs. :o) |
| 02:31.54 | Baloo | welson: Or someone's rundown of what everything does. |
| 02:32.54 | foo | Gnea: Didn't work |
| 02:33.02 | peterrooney | i removed vim from my box via apt-get remove, and now vipw (from passwd package) doesn't work, but visudo does. apt did not notify me of any dependency problems. |
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| 02:33.19 | welson | Baloo, well if you look at the cron.d files, you have an idea it uses hosts.nntp |
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| 02:34.05 | welson | Baloo, dpkg -L inn |grep man |
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| 02:34.45 | asg | peterrooney: fix your $EDITOR variable to point to something that works |
| 02:35.00 | welson | Baloo, i've just apt --downloaded-only extracted and i'm curiously checking it out-- theres *plenty of doc, not sure what ver you're using though.. |
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| 02:35.24 | stew | peterrooney: maybe: update-alternatives --config vi |
| 02:35.33 | peterrooney | well, I already did that. It's a workable solution, but I'm wondering why i had to. |
| 02:35.35 | Baloo | welson: Well, actually try applying the doc and you start seeing it assumes you're already familiar with the package. |
| 02:35.36 | foo | Gnea: Screen still blanked |
| 02:35.37 | stew | peterrooney: or s/vi/editor/ |
| 02:36.17 | stew | peterrooney: what was EDITOR previously set to? if anything? |
| 02:36.24 | peterrooney | already did that, it's pointing at nano. for some reason vipw doesn't want to honour it. |
| 02:36.27 | welson | Baloo, well if you know alittle bash and understand that arguments are passed to these commands (as shown in the cron.d) then there's enough documentation.. |
| 02:36.41 | ircword | hallo. have a question about /dev nodes |
| 02:36.54 | Baloo | ircword: Just ask. :o) |
| 02:36.57 | stew | peterrooney: if it wasn't set already then the /etc/alternatives should have probably been taking care of it for you, and you should maybe be filing a bug |
| 02:37.06 | welson | Baloo, I've never ran an nntp-- never had to reason to-- learn a little more about bash and scripting-- it's not that hard.. |
| 02:37.07 | peterrooney | if i specify EDITOR on cmdline, it works fine. |
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| 02:37.18 | khermans_ | When one copies text into the clipboard, where does it go? What file? |
| 02:37.21 | ice_1963 | why is k3b not in /etc/apt/sources.list in sid ? |
| 02:37.30 | peterrooney | stew: EDITOR wasn' |
| 02:37.33 | dvs | !info k3b |
| 02:37.39 | asg | ice_1963: it is there |
| 02:37.40 | dpkg | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE CD burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3671 kB, Installed size: 7555 kB |
| 02:37.48 | welson | Baloo, you can join up with the #bash folks they can give you good tutorial links.. |
| 02:37.48 | peterrooney | t set to anything, according to env |
| 02:37.49 | ircword | running 10 scsi discs on sarge amd64. all show up fine in dmesg. but only 1st 8 in /dev. ie /dev/sdi and /dev/sdj are missing. ideas? |
| 02:37.56 | stew | peterrooney: check to see what the alternatives for vi and editor are set to |
| 02:37.57 | peterrooney | stew: EDITOR wasnt set to anything, according to env |
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| 02:38.01 | peterrooney | stew: EDITOR wasnt set to anything, according to env |
| 02:38.08 | ircword | 2.6.14.2 kernel |
| 02:38.18 | stew | ice_1963: it has been removed from testing but its still in sid |
| 02:38.18 | dvs | ircword: It's just not generated. |
| 02:38.20 | mhall | !zoosmite mhall |
| 02:38.24 | dvs | ircword: by default |
| 02:38.24 | Baloo | welson: It's not bash I'm stuck on, it's the format of inn's configuration files and what it expects. |
| 02:38.36 | welson | Baloo, I assume you're new to linux as well, are you even running debian? |
| 02:38.36 | khermans_ | What file represents Gnome's clipboard? |
| 02:38.36 | asg | ircword: maybe you are using an ancient latin character set and since i == j, both were removed due to ambiguity? |
| 02:38.44 | ircword | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.50 | peterrooney | stew: Ok, I'll look into the etc alternatives part of the equation for a bit |
| 02:39.05 | Baloo | welson: Yes, I am. Don't be condescending. I've probably been helping people on debian-user longer than you've heard of Debian. |
| 02:39.10 | stew | peterrooney: update-alternatives --show editor ; same with vi |
| 02:39.19 | ircword | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.28 | welson | Baloo, what version of the package are you using? there's documentation for its conf files as well-- even the one I mentioned.. |
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| 02:39.35 | Guerin | khermans_: /var/rangom/gnome/obscure/shit/that/is/totally/undocumented/because/making/things/hard/to/use/is/our/job |
| 02:39.43 | mhall | !zoosmite mhall |
| 02:39.43 | asg | welson: he has been helping on d-u for a long time, I'll vouch for that |
| 02:39.46 | stew | ircword: are you running udev? |
| 02:39.50 | khermans_ | Guerin, hrmm i dont seem that have that path |
| 02:39.55 | khermans_ | ;-P |
| 02:40.00 | satHan | /channel #alsa |
| 02:40.00 | welson | Baloo, issue "mandb" to ensure the man cache was updated-- are you using "debian" --> dpkg- L <-- you seem reluctant to answer you tried this.. |
| 02:40.02 | Guerin | khermans_: that's what the gnomies WANT you to believe |
| 02:40.03 | ircword | err.. dunno |
| 02:40.16 | khermans_ | Guerin, so I should use the bloated KDE then, huh? |
| 02:40.20 | dvs | ircword: is /dev in the mount command? |
| 02:40.35 | Baloo | welson: I've done both already. |
| 02:41.02 | Baloo | welson: I'm running Sid. I use Debian's dpkg. mandb was run this morning after the package was installed. |
| 02:41.07 | ircword | you mean in fstab? or you mean if i try to mount /dev/sdi1.. ? not in fstab |
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| 02:41.17 | ice_1963 | well how can i get sid must be useing testing? |
| 02:41.19 | dvs | ircword: No, just type "mount" and hit enter. |
| 02:41.20 | Guerin | khermans_: 1. it's only as bloated as gnome, but no, I never mentioned that anywhere |
| 02:41.32 | stew | ice_1963: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 02:41.38 | stew | ice_1963: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:41.41 | mhall | !zoosmite mhall |
| 02:41.42 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, mhall loves the zoo! |
| 02:41.44 | ircword | no. devpts is tho |
| 02:41.56 | Guerin | that's a really pointful smite |
| 02:42.02 | stew | ircword: do you have udev installed? |
| 02:42.07 | welson | Baloo, unfortunately I can't baby-spoon everything-- gotta go.. |
| 02:42.07 | dvs | ircword: so you're not running udev. You just have to make the nodes in /dev |
| 02:42.12 | abrotman | stew: how much do you love udev ? :) |
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| 02:42.22 | stew | abrotman: i don't mind it, actually |
| 02:42.48 | Guerin | Baloo: you're not the debian developer of the same name, are you? |
| 02:42.49 | stew | abrotman: got my "plug a usbkey, get asked for an ssh-pass" scripts working again last night after the no-hotplug transistion |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | stew: yay! |
| 02:43.16 | Baloo | Guerin: Know the email address? AFAICT, I'm the only Baloo related to Debian. |
| 02:43.28 | Guerin | Baloo: ursine.ca, I think |
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| 02:43.40 | Baloo | Guerin: Yes, that would be me. |
| 02:43.44 | stew | abrotman: i have found that the key to keeping udev sane is purging it and reinstalling it to make sure the configs are always up to date with what Md expects them to be |
| 02:43.47 | Guerin | huh, that was weird |
| 02:43.50 | stew | abrotman: then everyting is ok |
| 02:43.51 | Baloo | Guerin: I knew I wasn't unrecognized here. |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | stew: every time you boot? :) |
| 02:44.02 | cookiecaper | Hi! I ran apt-get upgrade and it told me to purge hotplug package. Does that mean it wants me to apt-get -remove --purge hotplug ? |
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| 02:44.08 | stew | abrotman: when it gets upgraded |
| 02:44.11 | ircword | k, i'll research running udev and/or creating the proper file in /dev. thanks guys! |
| 02:44.19 | Baloo | Guerin: I figure welson is a relatively new Debian user in troglodyte mode, though |
| 02:44.40 | stew | ircword: i don't recommend you run udev if you aren't already, if you are running it you have a different set of research however |
| 02:44.54 | Guerin | Baloo: potentially the case. |
| 02:45.01 | Baloo | Guerin: Though if you check the developers list, you'll notice I'm not an official developer. I rarely submit patches, but I do tend to clean up the bug reports I come across relevant to what I'm experiencing. |
| 02:45.14 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 02:45.20 | ircword | stew: ok, so i want to run mknod ... ? |
| 02:45.23 | dvs | ircword: just make the nodes using mknod |
| 02:45.28 | stew | ircword: are you running udev? |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | Baloo: so you're a pretender?!?! |
| 02:45.40 | dvs | stew: no, /dev is not mounted |
| 02:45.48 | ircword | stew: nope |
| 02:45.48 | mhall | Guerin: yeah i'm revising some of my smites |
| 02:46.02 | ircword | :-) |
| 02:46.03 | mhall | Guerin: i figure it's a good way to shit on kingsley |
| 02:46.06 | stew | dvs: /dev is not mounted on my machine and i run udev |
| 02:46.13 | cookiecaper | Hi! I ran apt-get upgrade and it told me to purge hotplug package. Does that mean it wants me to apt-get -remove --purge hotplug ? That doesn't sound like a wise thing so I just want to make sure it's a smart thing before I do it. |
| 02:46.23 | stew | ircword: then you run mknod, yes |
| 02:46.35 | Baloo | abrotman: No, never claimed to be a dev. :o) Guerin probably confused me with a dev because I've been posting to debian-user, sometimes in very high volume, for the last 8 years. |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | cookiecaper: dpkg -P hotplug |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | Baloo: but you're a noob! :) |
| 02:46.53 | Guerin | yeah, that was more or less it |
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| 02:47.05 | cookiecaper | okay, thank you abrotman |
| 02:47.07 | Guerin | anyone who's been using linux for less than 15 years is a n00b! |
| 02:47.09 | Baloo | abrotman: By welson's definition, yes, apparently. |
| 02:47.22 | Baloo | Guerin: Hehehe, 2005-1991=14 |
| 02:47.40 | cookiecaper | Does udev replace hotplug? |
| 02:47.49 | stew | Guerin: that would include linus, right? |
| 02:47.51 | abrotman | Baloo: i don't think welson has been in #d long .. but i could be wrong |
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| 02:47.53 | abrotman | !seen welson |
| 02:47.54 | dpkg | welson <n=bwelson@modemcable057.37-200-24.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5m 47s ago, saying: 'Baloo, unfortunately I can't baby-spoon everything-- gotta go..'. |
| 02:47.59 | Guerin | stew: YES1! |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | that doesn't help! |
| 02:48.04 | Baloo | abrotman: welson is a new name to me. |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | Baloo: but i probably am too :) |
| 02:48.20 | asg | Baloo: me also |
| 02:48.23 | Baloo | abrotman: Admittedly, I don't make it to IRC often. And you're right, you're new to me, too. |
| 02:48.24 | Guerin | stew: everyone knows AJT and ESR invented linux, while on a hacking mission at DJB's house |
| 02:48.34 | stew | heh |
| 02:48.44 | Baloo | asg: You've been bashed, but I can't recall the context or which bash. |
| 02:49.09 | stew | that reminds me i haven't read everyone loves eric raymond in a while |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | i'm a loser :( |
| 02:49.17 | Baloo | I've been bashed extensively on http://bash.borked.us/ |
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| 02:49.48 | asg | Baloo: mostly due to the #debian-touchy-feely ruleset 3.1. I don't post on d-u often but have; mostly i'm on irc |
| 02:50.12 | Baloo | debian-touchy-feely? |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | !fable |
| 02:50.18 | dpkg | [fable] http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 02:50.27 | asg | Baloo: /msg dpkg fable (for one old-timer's take on things recently) |
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| 02:51.59 | abrotman | !hexxehrant |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:52.17 | Baloo | asg: Yeah, I agree, but getting bashed is a good thing. |
| 02:52.17 | bleaked | is installing from a desktop livecd (such as knoppix or slax) a good choice for a first time debian user? (i was hoping to refer to the manual) and if i choose this, will i be at any disadvantage? |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | bleaked: no |
| 02:52.36 | asg | Baloo: it keeps one humble ;) |
| 02:52.51 | dvs | bleaked: yeah, you won't get help here |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | i've never been bashed :( |
| 02:53.08 | asg | abrotman: you're, at least, on a number of qotd's though |
| 02:53.13 | Baloo | asg: Eh, I consider getting bashed as something of a badge of honor. But then again, every time I've been bashed was for something funny. |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | asg: no way?!?! |
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| 02:53.19 | Guerin | Baloo: you won't be running debian, unless you use debootstrap, which is really unwise for an inexperienced user. |
| 02:53.25 | asg | Baloo: too true |
| 02:53.27 | Guerin | DAMNIT |
| 02:53.36 | Guerin | bleaked: you won't be running debian, unless you use debootstrap, which is really unwise for an inexperienced user. |
| 02:53.37 | bleaked | dvs: in the sense that i would be using a different distro to install, or because you're being a jerk? |
| 02:53.48 | asg | !qotd40 |
| 02:53.48 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 02:53.51 | asg | abrotman: ^^ |
| 02:53.54 | Guerin | bleaked: use d-i - it's easy. see the topic |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | asg: it does! |
| 02:54.02 | Baloo | Guerin: I've heard of dbootstrap, but thought it was part of boot-floppies...can't remember for sure, haven't run the installer since '98 |
| 02:54.03 | dvs | bleaked: No, I'm being serious. Installing a derivative and then installing Debian is not a Debian system |
| 02:54.10 | asg | abrotman: or my favorite.... |
| 02:54.13 | asg | !qotd53 |
| 02:54.13 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 02:54.26 | Guerin | Baloo: hah |
| 02:54.31 | Baloo | asg: Hah! |
| 02:54.31 | Dr_Fie | hmm :) |
| 02:54.55 | Baloo | Guerin: So was I right about dbootstrap? |
| 02:54.55 | Dr_Fie | ... how's you guys doing? |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | asg: i prefer |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | !qotd139 |
| 02:55.02 | dpkg | [qotd139] <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 02:55.12 | asg | Baloo: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune (a crufty with some bugs I'm aware of but am too tired to fix daily compilation of #debian qotd factoids) |
| 02:55.14 | dvs | doh! |
| 02:55.33 | bleaked | dvs: i meant boot up in a livecd, and install a stock debian system from a console.. |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | you can't |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 02:55.47 | Dr_Fie | apt-get install bsdgames |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | !d-i bleaked |
| 02:55.48 | dpkg | bleaked, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:55.53 | asg | abrotman: yeah, the context on 139 is classic |
| 02:56.33 | bucky | debian fable? you mean we can't do this anymore? http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
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| 02:56.49 | Guerin | Baloo: I don't know if it was on bootfloppies. |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | bucky: just don't get caught :) |
| 02:57.12 | bleaked | sorry this is just really bizarre to me. i'm just used to gentoo where you can boot into any livecd, and download packages and install the distro from there, giving you the freedom of reverting to docs, irc, or games while you wait.. sorry for the confusion.. |
| 02:57.16 | asg | bucky: we can, we just have to offer free organic ketchup with the fries |
| 02:57.22 | Dr_Fie | WTF@BUCKY |
| 02:57.31 | Dr_Fie | i dont get it? |
| 02:57.31 | bleaked | but thanks, i'll read the docs like a good boy. |
| 02:57.33 | Guerin | bleaked: well, you CAN, but it's harder than it needs to be. |
| 02:57.43 | Guerin | !install for dummies |
| 02:57.43 | dpkg | 1) acquire debian cd 2) place cd in cdrom drive 3) reboot 4) mash enter repeatedly until mashing enter doesn't work any more 5) enter usernames and passwords as requested. If you count the mashes, it's fewer keystrokes than entering a WinXP license key. |
| 02:57.46 | Dr_Fie | how is debian elitism? |
| 02:57.48 | Baloo | Guerin: Ah, yeah, there we go, Google answered it. |
| 02:57.53 | Guerin | bleaked: it really is that simple ^ |
| 02:57.57 | Baloo | Guerin: It was in boot-floppies |
| 02:57.57 | chealer | hehehe |
| 02:58.11 | Dr_Fie | wow |
| 02:58.13 | Dr_Fie | dude, lol |
| 02:58.18 | Dr_Fie | that's pretty funny |
| 02:58.25 | ircword | stew: fwiw, the answer was cd dev; ./MAKEDEV sdi -- that way i didn't have to guess/look up the appropriate minor number |
| 02:58.31 | dvs | that IS funny |
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| 02:58.37 | Dr_Fie | yeah |
| 02:58.39 | bleaked | Guerin: i'm sure it is, but i like to customize my system as perfectly as possible and installers always made me uneasy..but i guess they shouldn't. |
| 02:58.40 | Guerin | and it's TRUE |
| 02:58.41 | Dr_Fie | that's bloody hillarious |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | bleaked: i see why you're confused .. debian doesn't have a livecd .. gentoo does .. those livecds are based on debian .. but they are NOT debian |
| 02:59.05 | Dr_Fie | ..... |
| 02:59.05 | stew | abrotman: you are confused |
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| 02:59.10 | asg | abrotman: bootcd can be used to make wonderful pure Debian live cds however |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | s/those livecds/those livecds like knoppix/ |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | stew: i am not! |
| 02:59.15 | Dr_Fie | what do you mean a live cd? |
| 02:59.15 | Dr_Fie | debian has a live cd |
| 02:59.19 | Dr_Fie | all distros have a live cd |
| 02:59.21 | Guerin | bleaked: well, the basic install is very minimal. You get to skip straight to the bit where you have control about 2/3 of the way through. |
| 02:59.30 | Dr_Fie | they have all been live cds since like 1994 |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | Dr_Fie: debian has NO livecd .. |
| 02:59.33 | bleaked | ok, thanks. |
| 02:59.40 | Dr_Fie | abrotman: what is a live cd then? |
| 02:59.45 | Dr_Fie | enlighten me |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:59.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. |
| 02:59.50 | Guerin | bleaked: it partitions, installs a base system of about 200MB, and you can drop to a shell once you've done some basic setup. |
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| 03:00.26 | Dr_Fie | abrotman: what the hell do you think that thing is when you put in a debian install disk? |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | an install disk .. |
| 03:00.38 | Dr_Fie | are you telling me that's not a full working version of linux? |
| 03:00.39 | Dr_Fie | last time i checked it was |
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| 03:00.49 | abrotman | Dr_Fie: maybe you should try it again |
| 03:01.00 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: it's linux, but it's not a full distro. it's a kernel and busybox. |
| 03:01.05 | Dr_Fie | install cds are live cds |
| 03:01.07 | bleaked | Guerin: i'm assuming in the tradition of debian, that the 200mb is all important and not bloat.. |
| 03:01.10 | asg | ooooh, mustard in the conservatory with the knife! |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | you fucking moron .. shut up . you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 03:01.16 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: you didn't try to actually DO much on it, did you? |
| 03:01.16 | fbi | you don't run debian from the install cd. it "installs" debian. |
| 03:01.34 | Dr_Fie | it's linux, i'ts bash, it's a whole bunch of other crap |
| 03:01.35 | Brian_L | it's quite neat actually :) |
| 03:01.41 | abrotman | first .. it's NOT bash |
| 03:01.54 | bucky | Dr_Fie: and tomsrtbt is a live distro on a floppy |
| 03:01.57 | Dr_Fie | Guerin: the debian disk has as much as the gentoo disk |
| 03:02.08 | Guerin | bleaked: yeah. Perl, libc, basic utils, nano. I think the 200MB is actually the deluxe version with screen and less and a MTA |
| 03:02.16 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: nope. |
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| 03:02.18 | abrotman | Dr_Fie: it's not a livecd |
| 03:02.27 | Dr_Fie | ugg.. screw you guys i'm watching max headroom |
| 03:02.31 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: it's busybox. Do you know what busybox is? |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | thank god |
| 03:02.41 | bleaked | this channel really needs to learn some patience. i do, however, appreciate the quick and astute responses. :] |
| 03:02.49 | asg | abrotman: for max headroom? hardly |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | not for that |
| 03:02.56 | fbi | patience? for what? idiocy? |
| 03:03.00 | abrotman | bleaked: it's hard when someone is blatently wrong |
| 03:03.03 | Boukensya | asg, is it possible to just password protect the file and not worry about anything else, eg users that can acces it etc..? |
| 03:03.08 | Guerin | bleaked: we're plenty patient with people who don't insist on being incredibly stupid |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | bleaked: and insists they are right :) |
| 03:03.09 | Dr_Fie | Guerin: what IS busy box then? |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | !busybox |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:03.22 | bleaked | le sigh |
| 03:03.23 | abrotman | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 03:03.23 | asg | Boukensya: you can use zip(1) if you wish |
| 03:03.24 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: man busybox; or look on perens.com |
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| 03:03.55 | abrotman | Baloo: he came back to spoon feed you! |
| 03:03.58 | Boukensya | asg, I want to be able to edit it real time |
| 03:04.05 | Dr_Fie | so the only difference between an install cd and a live cd is the number of packages it has? |
| 03:04.06 | Guerin | Boukensya: the best way to protect a file is to encrypt it |
| 03:04.13 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: no. |
| 03:04.29 | Boukensya | Guerin, how? sort of new with the encryption thing |
| 03:04.30 | asg | Boukensya: then use an encrypted loopback volume on which to store the files you wish to edit in *realtime* |
| 03:04.37 | welson | abrotman, well I had to pick up a pal of mine -- I'm just sort of wondering should I force myself to simply rtfm-- hmm.. |
| 03:04.37 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: it's like the difference between a kamikaze plane and a passenger jetliner |
| 03:04.42 | Guerin | Boukensya: gpg |
| 03:04.50 | Boukensya | gpg is so confusing hehe |
| 03:04.51 | asg | Guerin: we've been through that |
| 03:04.55 | Guerin | asg: roger |
| 03:04.56 | Wyzard | Boukensya: You could encrypt your whole hard drive... that way you type a passphrase at boot time, and don't have to do anything special to access files once the system is booted |
| 03:04.59 | asg | !roger Guerin |
| 03:05.00 | dpkg | Bend over, Guerin and take it like a man! |
| 03:05.04 | Guerin | arr |
| 03:05.11 | Wyzard | Boukensya: That's a bit challenging if you're not experienced with system maintenance though |
| 03:05.13 | Guerin | rum, sodomy and the lash |
| 03:05.19 | Guerin | just what I need of a wednesday morn |
| 03:05.26 | welson | I think dpkg-reconfigure needs a face lift |
| 03:05.35 | welson | I'm suggesting linux-fins for babies! |
| 03:05.39 | Guerin | welson: choose a different frontend |
| 03:05.57 | welson | But it doesn't exists, so I'm thinking of doing something like it |
| 03:06.01 | Guerin | welson: it has gnome and kde fronts, which will fall back to curses or readline if need be |
| 03:06.10 | abrotman | Baloo: never .. do you use jabber.org ? |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman | (granted .. it is jabber.org) |
| 03:06.27 | Baloo | abrotman: That's a negative. I use ursine.ca |
| 03:06.44 | abrotman | Baloo: jabber.org is horribly unstable .. s2s barely works |
| 03:06.45 | welson | Guerin, I'm talking like an echo, what program are you referring to? |
| 03:06.46 | Baloo | Jabber.org's servers are sloooooow |
| 03:06.57 | abrotman | Guerin, I'm talking like an echo, what program are you referring to? |
| 03:07.04 | Guerin | welson: debconf, which you quaintly refer to as dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:07.06 | Baloo | abrotman: It's not that it's unstable, it's that they don't have enough capacity |
| 03:07.26 | Guerin | abrotman: tell your friend to not be souch a crap admin |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | Baloo: no .. really .. it's unstable .. it just dies .. sometimes for hours |
| 03:07.30 | Baloo | I can't tell if this is because jabberd (as opposed to ejabberd or one of it's alternatives) doesn't scale, or if it's because they have no bandwidth. |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | Guerin: he doesn't make code changes .. he just gets to sighup it :) |
| 03:07.53 | Baloo | abrotman: ursine.ca is public access. Knock yourself out. |
| 03:07.54 | Dr_Fie | max headroom owns :D |
| 03:07.55 | Guerin | or because the admin runs testing without security updates |
| 03:08.01 | Guerin | and other random madness |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | Baloo: i think it's hosted at a i2 Uni .. |
| 03:08.03 | Wyzard | That explains a lot... I rarely connect to my jabber.org account because of the frequent disconnects |
| 03:08.09 | Wyzard | Maybe I should just switch to a different server |
| 03:08.17 | Guerin | welson: run your own, it's peasy |
| 03:08.24 | Baloo | Wyzard: ursine.ca is public access. Knock yourself out. |
| 03:08.26 | welson | Guerin, ah yes.. there should be XML templates for each program-- not just by-the-example dotfiles.. |
| 03:08.28 | Wyzard | cool |
| 03:08.31 | Guerin | welson: as long as you don't try to edit the jabberd config, which is pure XML evilness |
| 03:08.33 | Baloo | http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | Baloo: they were running sarge for months before sarge was stable .. without ever updating it |
| 03:08.39 | Baloo | All you bitches get Jabber. :o) |
| 03:08.46 | welson | Guerin, (Baloo is asking about jabber) |
| 03:08.57 | welson | Guerin, xml is evil, why so? |
| 03:09.01 | Baloo | Wrong again, welson... |
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| 03:09.09 | Guerin | Wyzard: see my misguided advice to welson |
| 03:09.12 | asg | welson: unreadable and unparsable by standard unix tools |
| 03:09.31 | Baloo | asg: That's changing rapidly with time. |
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| 03:09.42 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'm not going to run my own jabberd... |
| 03:09.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: jabber.com can be used also |
| 03:10.00 | Guerin | welson: for config files, it ranks an 8 on the evilness scale, where plain text = 0 and encrypted binaries accessible by a visual basic gui = 10 |
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| 03:10.18 | Guerin | Wyzard: why not? |
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| 03:10.28 | bleaked | i've read docs on this, but i would like a human answer: is sid really a bad idea for a non-production, desktop system? or should i just use unstable? |
| 03:10.39 | jdhutchin1 | sid and unstable are the same thing |
| 03:10.43 | asg | Baloo: hopefully not too rapidly. XML has its place, granted, I just don't think it does in the realm of hand hacking ASCII configs. |
| 03:10.44 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: sid *is* unstable |
| 03:10.48 | jdhutchin1 | bleaked, if you know what you're doing, it's not a really bad idea |
| 03:10.51 | bleaked | oh, well, woody then |
| 03:10.54 | welson | Baloo, I really think you don't know jabber is really, so you're the one seemingly in needing of "rtfm"ness |
| 03:10.57 | abrotman | bleaked: are you familiar with debian ? |
| 03:10.59 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: how about sarge? |
| 03:11.06 | Baloo | asg: No. And please use Flightgear as an example as to why. :o) |
| 03:11.24 | bleaked | abrotman: not a whole lot..i'm eager to learn. i'm not new to linux, just deb. |
| 03:11.34 | SerajewelKS | !tell bleaked about d-i |
| 03:11.35 | Baloo | welson: I run a public Jabber server, you retard. |
| 03:11.39 | bleaked | SerajewelKS: i've heard that the software is really behind.. |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:11.40 | Guerin | bleaked: sid is ok IF: you are prepared to learn how your system works, quickly and well enough to fix things when it breaks; like when grep stopped it from booting about a week ago. |
| 03:11.49 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: wtf |
| 03:11.51 | asg | Baloo: haven't seen that config but I'll trust you on that ;) |
| 03:11.53 | welson | Baloo, then set up your inn and stfu |
| 03:11.59 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: sarge came out like a few months ago |
| 03:12.03 | abrotman | bleaked: it's not bad to start with .. once you get comfortable with debian .. you can progress up the ladder of brokenness |
| 03:12.03 | fbi | i invented jabber. and my dad can beat up your dad. |
| 03:12.11 | Guerin | bleaked: and if you're prepared to not whine like a kicked puppy in here when people tell you that it's sid, and being broken is in its nature :) |
| 03:12.12 | asg | fbi: can not :p |
| 03:12.15 | bleaked | SerajewelKS: ok, well maybe i have no idea what i'm talking about. |
| 03:12.21 | Baloo | welson: Are you from California? Is that why you're so unpleasant? |
| 03:12.22 | fbi | asg: wanna bet (dollars, not pounds) |
| 03:12.22 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: apparently |
| 03:12.40 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: install sarge... then if you *want* to go to etch or sid, youcan |
| 03:12.47 | welson | Baloo, nobody has to baby-spoon you-- so I suggest you watch your babblish |
| 03:12.47 | asg | fbi: mrs. asg and I have a standard back and forth bet of $1 on all trivia questions. |
| 03:12.50 | bleaked | Guerin: don't worry, i've used gentoo for the past two years, i'm used to fixing broken things. |
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| 03:12.56 | SerajewelKS | bleaked: but right now etch and sid are kinda broken |
| 03:12.58 | abrotman | !breastfeed Baloo |
| 03:13.04 | fbi | asg: so she has all your money? |
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| 03:13.13 | Baloo | welson: California or Quebec...both known for obnoxious assholes who don't know when to drop it. |
| 03:13.28 | asg | fbi: no, we throw it all in a big pot and use as required. We are about even in the trivia contest though. |
| 03:13.37 | fbi | hah. |
| 03:13.45 | Guerin | bleaked: the most important thing is to grok the debian tools. Almost all your breakage problems can be solved using apt-* and dpkg alone. |
| 03:14.10 | welson | Baloo, you're calling everybody "bitches" and me a "retard, maybe you should quit and get together with twilight-zone |
| 03:14.23 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite welson |
| 03:14.25 | dpkg | welson: You're nothing but an a*se d*mning w*nker! |
| 03:14.35 | Baloo | Thank you, Guerin. |
| 03:14.36 | asg | !Guerin++ |
| 03:14.43 | Baloo | !Guerin++ |
| 03:14.44 | asg | for many reasons besides the obvious |
| 03:14.45 | welson | Baloo, so you're really not making any sense at all-- words point back to you.. its' in your stupidity |
| 03:15.09 | fbi | learn how to use /ignore |
| 03:15.16 | Baloo | welson: Again, you fail to understand the basic concept. Oh, Videotron, I was right, you are in Quebec.... |
| 03:15.22 | asg | fbi: then you miss out on all the fun though |
| 03:15.24 | fbi | no one else wants to read your inane drivel |
| 03:15.34 | welson | Guerin, I can't take him, he's really insulting-- heheh /ignore is good for everyone.. it's not just me he's name calling.. |
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| 03:15.44 | fbi | asg: too late, it's been plonked |
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| 03:16.05 | wang | is there gtk+-2.0 for debian? |
| 03:16.06 | Baloo | welson: The channel was fine before you rejoined. Your angst is self-created. |
| 03:16.17 | SerajewelKS | wang: uhm... |
| 03:16.20 | rafx | is makejail the best auto-jail utility available as a debian package? |
| 03:16.22 | asg | fbi: well, Baloo is a longtime poster and very helpful person on d-u. welson is someone I've never seen in the last 4 or 5 years on #debian. |
| 03:16.23 | welson | wang, yeah |
| 03:16.46 | fbi | asg: i was directing my comments to the latter anyway |
| 03:16.48 | welson | asg, well that's because I grew up with rtfm-- and least suspect it lies around my belly |
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| 03:16.56 | SerajewelKS | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
| 03:16.59 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2004 kB, Installed size: 4424 kB |
| 03:17.04 | welson | asg, I've only been using debian as late of 2001-- so I'm still quite a newbie.. |
| 03:17.22 | douglas | for a 2.4GHz AMD chip, which kernel would i want .. the k7 or the the smp variety |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | k7 |
| 03:17.33 | abrotman | douglas: a single cpu .. right ? |
| 03:17.34 | welson | asg, I never said any foul language-- as I don't recall I just use simple words-- that's all.. |
| 03:17.40 | douglas | right |
| 03:17.44 | Baloo | welson: I grew up with RTFM, too. I assume you've already read the manual unless proven otherwise, whereas you assume I haven't tried. The first is helpful when trying to help or ask for help, the other is just being a jerk. |
| 03:17.44 | douglas | ok thanks |
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| 03:17.50 | abrotman | he's from canada .. they're all simple words .. eh? :) |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 03:18.01 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 03:18.16 | asg | welson: rtfm is a fine response if there is a manual to read. Baloo's previous question was in regards to a broken sid inn2. He was pointed to the bts and other information. Things have, apparently, degenerated from there. |
| 03:18.21 | wang | hmm this program i'm trying to compile says i don't have gtk2 installed but debian says it does |
| 03:18.27 | welson | abrotman, well I went as so far -- but I'm not an expert like you are ;-) |
| 03:18.36 | asg | wang: you need the *-dev package |
| 03:18.40 | abrotman | welson: i would never claim to be an expert .. |
| 03:19.15 | Baloo | asg: How it degenerated is beyond me. I asked for help. Welson restated my question, then got pissed when I called him on it and left. He rejoined 10 minutes later and just blindsides me as I'm talking to Guerin. |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | i blame Guerin |
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| 03:19.51 | Guerin | that seems fair |
| 03:19.54 | datix | is there a distrobution of debian for amd64? |
| 03:20.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:20.03 | Baloo | I mean, we're all on to talking about Jabber and speculating on it obsoleting IRC, then welson brings up ancient history from ~30 minutes ago |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:20.14 | asg | Baloo: the nature of irc; things get out of hand quicker here and even invoking hitler doesn't seem to help. |
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| 03:20.40 | `ns` | just me, or is there a problem with debian mirrors ? http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:20.42 | welson | datix, y |
| 03:20.52 | Guerin | arr, lunchitime |
| 03:21.07 | asg | Guerin: anything good on the menu? |
| 03:21.07 | dondelelcaro | `ns`: they probably are flipping to the automated mirror listing, and it must have broken. |
| 03:21.25 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:21.25 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 03:21.30 | Guerin | asg: almost certainly not, but it'll beat maggoty hard-tack and salt pork |
| 03:21.36 | StereoSkit | clear |
| 03:21.44 | Baloo | asg: Well, you can't invoke Godwin's Law in the first place. That's not how it works in theory or practice. :o) http://ursine.ca/Godwin's_Law |
| 03:21.51 | asg | Guerin: ah, a plowman's lunch. |
| 03:21.57 | datix | welsonL i have an amd64 processor |
| 03:21.59 | asg | Baloo: touché |
| 03:22.11 | welson | !tell datix on amd64 |
| 03:22.17 | asg | welson: s/on/about/ |
| 03:22.28 | welson | !tell datix about amd64 |
| 03:22.37 | nekostar | ya know |
| 03:22.38 | harfooz | hi all, I'm still having trouble getting the US spelling to be used on menus items, rather than British spellings (color is preferred to colour, and center is preferred to centre). I've tried dpkg reconfiguring the locales but that did not affect anything with a reboot. |
| 03:22.43 | welson | asg, this blootbot , how can I do it quiet? |
| 03:22.46 | `ns` | the mirror I had been using for update/upgrade is closing connect on me and I was looking for a new one to use |
| 03:22.52 | nekostar | i wonder what it would do if i installed ALL the window managers >_> |
| 03:22.54 | dondelelcaro | welson: /msg it |
| 03:22.54 | asg | welson: /msg dpkg help |
| 03:23.10 | dondelelcaro | `ns`: use apt-setup and pick a different one, or visit ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 03:23.22 | asg | dondelelcaro: it looked good at this end at least :) |
| 03:23.28 | `ns` | nekostar, run out of hd space ? |
| 03:23.34 | nekostar | lol ns |
| 03:23.36 | dondelelcaro | asg: you iso8859-1 loser, you. |
| 03:23.42 | fbi | nekostar: i have every single one worth installing installed |
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| 03:23.46 | asg | dondelelcaro: yeah, I know |
| 03:24.33 | `ns` | dondelelcaro, been so long since I last had to play with my sources.list <g> |
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| 03:24.46 | dondelelcaro | `ns`: heh. I modify mine all the time. |
| 03:24.56 | dondelelcaro | 'course, when you're running strange things, you tend to do that. |
| 03:24.57 | litage | should i compile APM or ACPI into a kernel for use on a mail server? |
| 03:25.08 | dondelelcaro | litage: rarely any point to do so |
| 03:25.18 | litage | dondelelcaro: don't need either? |
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| 03:25.59 | `ns` | dondelelcaro, only non-standard I have is nerim/marillat |
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| 03:26.06 | dondelelcaro | # CONFIG_ACPI is not set...# CONFIG_APM is not set |
| 03:26.07 | welson | who here is in the north? |
| 03:26.17 | abrotman | north of what ? |
| 03:26.18 | `ns` | how north is north ? |
| 03:26.26 | welson | abrotman, it's a smartness test |
| 03:26.31 | abrotman | you failed |
| 03:26.38 | dondelelcaro | probably most of us are north of the equator; all of us north of the south pole. |
| 03:26.58 | `ns` | I'm sitting about 4 miles north of the 49th parallel |
| 03:27.22 | fbi | i'm sitting at my desk |
| 03:27.50 | abrotman | don't you have to say which 49th ? |
| 03:27.57 | welson | dondelelcaro, I take it that Aussies think they're North because of the Magnetic persona.. |
| 03:28.05 | `ns` | true, the n one |
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| 03:28.51 | `ns` | I don't consider it to be north until you get north of the arctic circle |
| 03:28.56 | welson | dondelelcaro, so why not change that blamometer-- it really is dumb |
| 03:29.16 | dondelelcaro | welson: what? |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | !blamometer |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | !blamometer me |
| 03:29.39 | welson | dondelelcaro, the dpkg guy -- what's all that 'blame' parsering-- it sounds crazy.. |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | right .. ok |
| 03:30.07 | dondelelcaro | welson: blame parsering? I can't follow you at all. |
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| 03:30.14 | abrotman | he's canadian :) |
| 03:30.19 | welson | !blame usa |
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| 03:30.45 | abrotman | what's broken about that ? |
| 03:30.50 | welson | the thing is that most Western countries, are not a real country persay-- as we are all descendents of Europe-- along with aboriginals.. |
| 03:31.31 | dondelelcaro | uh... we've entered the OFF TOPIC zone, population you. |
| 03:31.36 | abrotman | see .. and you all think i'm weird ... |
| 03:31.45 | welson | so abrotman, as you put it, it would be weird to say canada isn't a real country, you're absolutely right*, neither is the usa -- a shared history of language&culture don't exists in this hemisphere.. |
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| 03:31.56 | asg | abrotman: yeah, you've reached the level of relative normalcy; bravo. |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 03:32.04 | Baloo | dondelelcaro: If this is anything about debian-user, the emphasis is on the user part, not necessarily the debian part. |
| 03:32.08 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 03:32.08 | ecobuntu | !dpkg |
| 03:32.09 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 03:32.16 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 03:32.16 | dondelelcaro | right, the politics of politics are way, way, way OT here. |
| 03:32.22 | ecobuntu | voltageX? |
| 03:32.26 | Daveman | aaaaaaaaaah, politics! - where!? |
| 03:32.32 | asg | Daveman: over ---> there |
| 03:32.33 | abrotman | #politics |
| 03:32.36 | Daveman | ah, phew :P |
| 03:32.37 | Baloo | Yeah, where was I for the politics? |
| 03:32.40 | asg | Daveman: meta-syntactic variables are fine though |
| 03:32.52 | Daveman | acknowledged :P |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | Baloo: i don't think it was politics .. though i'm not sure i could categorize it |
| 03:33.10 | dondelelcaro | welson: consider this a warning; please stay on topic or you will be silenced for a rotation. |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | rotation ? |
| 03:33.31 | ULffuntu | HEIL |
| 03:33.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: however long it takes me to unbanninate. |
| 03:33.44 | asg | ULffuntu: some form of beer? |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: your 100+ unbannings ? |
| 03:33.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
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| 03:34.31 | dondelelcaro | Baloo: because \ makes so much more sense as a find backwards command... |
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| 03:36.54 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:37.07 | Baloo | dondelelcaro: Eh, I haven't had much need for that, but find again is where it's at. :o) |
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| 03:37.11 | squareguy | howdy, i'm looking for a good howto for setting up a debian nas server. got any good links? |
| 03:37.23 | Daveman | :P |
| 03:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Baloo: heh; just a droll joke. |
| 03:38.06 | Dr_Fie | stfujitsu |
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| 03:39.15 | Baloo | dondelelcaro: No hard feelings |
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| 03:39.56 | Edwin_Quijada | somebody knows where can I find the openssi package for debian? |
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| 03:40.15 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: apt-cache search openssl ? |
| 03:40.43 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: now I dont have a linux box to do apt :( |
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| 03:40.59 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: use packages.debian.org |
| 03:41.27 | Edwin_Quijada | thk!! |
| 03:41.29 | nixUX | i'm tryting to login to cvs but I get "Unknown command: `anoncvs'" any ideas? |
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| 03:42.14 | Edwin_Quijada | I install kernel 2.6smp and when this come Uncompressing kernel this freeze |
| 03:42.36 | Edwin_Quijada | i HAVE A proline 2 procesors 512mb |
| 03:42.46 | Edwin_Quijada | any cluees |
| 03:43.24 | abrotman | proline ? |
| 03:43.52 | Edwin_Quijada | compaq proline |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: what about a 2.4 smp ? |
| 03:44.17 | Edwin_Quijada | 1600 , 2processor PII 400Mhz |
| 03:44.29 | welson | . |
| 03:44.38 | abrotman | welson: see .. you have a voice again |
| 03:44.48 | Edwin_Quijada | 2.4smp run fine |
| 03:45.01 | Edwin_Quijada | but i wanna install 2.6smp |
| 03:45.12 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: what about a 2.6(no smp) ? |
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| 03:45.29 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: run too |
| 03:45.38 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: just 2.6 smp ? |
| 03:45.47 | Edwin_Quijada | No, sory |
| 03:45.57 | Edwin_Quijada | 2.6 neither run |
| 03:46.00 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: i mean .. 2.6smp is the only one that fails ? |
| 03:46.02 | Edwin_Quijada | just 2.4 |
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| 03:46.33 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: oh .. ok |
| 03:46.43 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: tell me what is the fail in 2.6smp |
| 03:47.01 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: you can either try to compile your own .. or contact debian-kernel@lists.debian.org and see if they have any useful input |
| 03:47.03 | Edwin_Quijada | really i dont remember if 2.6 runs or not |
| 03:47.22 | vithos | can you run code code optimized for k8 architecture on a k8 chip with a k7 kernel? |
| 03:47.40 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: Ufff...compile never I have compiled |
| 03:47.46 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:47.59 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: then i'd try a 2.6 UP .. if that fails .. contact the mailing list |
| 03:48.14 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: ok |
| 03:48.16 | Edwin_Quijada | thks! |
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| 03:48.43 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: if 2.6 runs? |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: see if a 2.6(non-smp) runs .. narrow it down as much as possible |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: gather as much data about which debian-packaged kernels work and which don't before you contact the mailing list |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:51.27 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:52.01 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:52.26 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:52.53 | NOthsouth | there is any tool for incrise my microphone volume ? |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | NOthsouth: using alsa ? |
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| 03:53.11 | NOthsouth | I put this at max. in alsamixer |
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| 03:53.17 | Jacobo221 | i got a strange problem. i get "FATAL: Module wlan0 not found." when trying to modprobe -r acx_pci |
| 03:53.24 | NOthsouth | but still low |
| 03:53.36 | NOthsouth | abrotman, yes |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | NOthsouth: that's the only way i know of to change it |
| 03:53.58 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | NOthsouth: does it work in audacity ? |
| 03:55.04 | setuid_w00t | With a standard cable ISP, should an entry be required in /etc/resolv.conf for your nameserver, or should that all be available via DHCP? |
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| 03:55.30 | abrotman | dhcp should grab it |
| 03:55.41 | NOthsouth | abrotman, no.. my microphone still very low |
| 03:55.42 | abrotman | assuming you didn't tell your dhcp client not to grab them |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | NOthsouth: in audacity .. there is a mic level .. is it up all the way ? |
| 03:56.05 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: hmm Not even sure what my dhcp client is :) |
| 03:56.11 | NOthsouth | audacity? |
| 03:56.18 | Daveman | heh |
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| 03:57.18 | abrotman | NOthsouth: just under the big red record button :) |
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| 03:57.29 | abrotman | well . on mine anyways |
| 03:57.32 | NOthsouth | i`m apt get audacity |
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| 03:58.28 | Jacobo221 | is there any good midi player you know of? I have a SB Live! and no midi player seems to work for me |
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| 03:58.41 | abrotman | @timidity |
| 03:58.41 | deigo | whywhy does apt-cache search kernel-source not return anything other than 2.6.8? do i have to add testing to my sources.list or can I just wget the kernel-source package from somewhere? (I found linux-source in /debian/pool/l/linux-2.6 |
| 03:58.42 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 03:59.12 | abrotman | deigo: sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 03:59.27 | deigo | the problem is the pool/k/kernel-source doesn't have anything higher than 2.6.8 |
| 03:59.42 | deigo | yeah, it OOPS'ing early occasionally but rather persistantly |
| 03:59.46 | abrotman | deigo: linux-source .. they renamed them |
| 04:00.05 | deigo | why would they go and confuse meh like that |
| 04:00.05 | deigo | lol |
| 04:00.25 | abrotman | because they didn't change them in etch/sid .. so if you're running sarge .. you shouldn't be affected |
| 04:00.29 | Jacobo221 | abrotman: actually i was looking for a gui one |
| 04:00.43 | abrotman | Jacobo221: erm .. no idea then .. |
| 04:00.44 | deigo | why does apt-cache search linux-source not return the right val's? |
| 04:00.46 | abrotman | !midi |
| 04:00.46 | dpkg | well, midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 04:00.57 | abrotman | deigo: because you're not using testing |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | or etch |
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| 04:01.11 | Jacobo221 | abrotman: thanks anyway :) |
| 04:01.25 | deigo | mkay, so i should add testing/etch to sources.list, grab the kernel-source and remove it again right? |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | deigo: i'd probably just go get it from the website |
| 04:02.33 | deigo | 2.6.12 here i come |
| 04:02.34 | deigo | lol |
| 04:02.40 | deigo | thanks abrot |
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| 04:03.00 | bucky | hahaha |
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| 04:03.51 | magyar | i am having problems logging in on port 995 to pop3s server. It wont authenticate. Can someone help a brother? |
| 04:04.11 | SimonRaven | !ask to ask |
| 04:04.11 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
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| 04:05.38 | deigo | what client you using magyar? |
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| 04:08.24 | dondelelcaro | dpkg; ask to ask is <reply> Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're usure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 04:08.24 | dpkg | ...but ask to ask is already something else... |
| 04:08.29 | dondelelcaro | dpkg; no, ask to ask is <reply> Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're usure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 04:08.29 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 04:10.33 | setuid_w00t | I'm not seeing any mirrors on the page http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:10.39 | setuid_w00t | any idea what's going on? |
| 04:11.40 | dondelelcaro | setuid_w00t: the code for generating that has changed, and appears to not be working yet. /msg dpkg mirrors; or use apt-setup. |
| 04:11.43 | Guerin | setuid_w00t: ftp.cc.debian.org, where cc is your country code |
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| 04:12.25 | setuid_w00t | dondelelcaro, Guerin: thanks |
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| 04:15.49 | magyar | deigo, kmail |
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| 04:20.06 | PaulGene | test |
| 04:22.16 | peterrooney | stew (and anyone else interested): regarding my earlier query about an oddity in the passwd package ( which you said may be a potential bug, has unstated reliance on vim package): /etc/alternatives was a bust, but I created a new account and logged in to it, and EDITOR was not set. so - is this an oversight in the bash configuration perhaps? |
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| 04:22.29 | PaulGene | blah |
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| 04:23.40 | wang | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 04:23.50 | wang | repositories? |
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| 04:24.27 | seeeS | hello, i have a dell sc430 and the installer doesnt recognise the board |
| 04:25.39 | seeeS | the board for the SATA drives |
| 04:26.18 | nekostar | ooooooooooooooooo ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:26.41 | wang | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
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| 04:27.37 | wang | hello? |
| 04:28.22 | dondelelcaro | wang: you don't have contrib in your sources.list |
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| 04:31.47 | [11aa] | mike_sol: i did (iface eth0 inet dhcp) |
| 04:32.08 | [11aa] | and also dhclient eth0 |
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| 04:33.34 | [11aa] | I think i have a cable problem i think |
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| 04:34.34 | [11aa] | but this one is ok I did erase the static IP it reported |
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| 04:36.31 | nixuser1 | is anyone seeing my text? |
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| 04:39.28 | jack-black | i am trying to run a script everytime debian starts, what is the file that i need to add the script to? |
| 04:40.18 | Xenguy | jack-black: what window manager do you use? |
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| 04:40.43 | jack-black | gnome |
| 04:40.51 | jack-black | gdm |
| 04:41.16 | Xenguy | jack-black: on 2nd thought, I guess it depends on what the script is supposed to do... |
| 04:41.17 | foo | My screen blanks after a certain amount of time... I have done setterm -blank 0 and xset s off but apparently this doesn't work. Any other ideas? |
| 04:41.32 | Xenguy | jack-black: you can add stuff to /etc/init.d/... |
| 04:41.52 | Xenguy | jack-black: or you can configure GNOME to run stuff for you when it starts up too |
| 04:42.03 | Xenguy | jack-black: so, depends on what you want to do I suppose |
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| 04:42.20 | jack-black | I am trying to adjust the readahead for my drive |
| 04:43.15 | jack-black | hdparm -a 64 /dev/hda |
| 04:43.52 | Xenguy | jack-black: hrm, don't know for sure, but have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 04:44.08 | jack-black | ok thanks |
| 04:44.53 | Xenguy | jack-black: good luck |
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| 04:47.47 | g23 | postfix-tls is not working for me. It is refusing to use TLS and gives me this error: postfix/smtpd[26099]: TLS engine: do need at least RSA _or_ DSA cert/key data |
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| 04:48.47 | imex | hmmm |
| 04:49.25 | g23 | in the main.cf I have a tls private and public key set though |
| 04:50.26 | imex | i am thinking of adding a video card (currently built-in)to my existing installed Debian Linux box, does it need to install or it would detect correctly with 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:51.00 | wang | g23 this isn't for gmail by any chance is it |
| 04:51.05 | nixuser1 | imex, what chipset is it |
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| 04:51.40 | imex | ATI Rage Pro new one |
| 04:51.40 | g23 | this is postfix-tls acting as an mta |
| 04:51.53 | imex | while the built-in is intel 815 |
| 04:52.10 | nixuser1 | intel chipsets should be well supported in debian either kernel |
| 04:52.26 | g23 | with kmail on my computer... a raw telnet connection will not show tls either |
| 04:52.29 | litage | when i run ``make-kpkg --append_to_version -686-smp-raid -rev 1 kernel_image'', this error occurs: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wnk3TA45.html is there another way other than using --append_to_version to add a suffix to the kernel's name? |
| 04:52.30 | nixuser1 | 815 hmmm not sure, is that in a dell? |
| 04:52.54 | nixuser1 | im thinking the 815 should be in the new kernel |
| 04:53.04 | imex | nah, but its working fine afterall |
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| 04:53.24 | nixuser1 | vesa drivers? |
| 04:53.28 | imex | this is the only distro that works well with it other than old RedHat 6/7 |
| 04:53.30 | zeeble | imex: there won't be any problem. After your new card is in, just reconfigure your x-windowing environment. |
| 04:53.51 | imex | Sarge got the kinda proper driver |
| 04:54.10 | imex | zeeble: i have setup to bioot to xlogon |
| 04:54.13 | imex | *boot |
| 04:54.17 | nixuser1 | my nvidia drivers work ok in amd64 |
| 04:54.21 | imex | thats y i worried |
| 04:54.35 | zeeble | imex: change it to boot to command line. then try out startx |
| 04:54.39 | imex | nixuser1: cool |
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| 04:55.02 | nixuser1 | i should really install the latest drivers from nvidia's site tho |
| 04:55.04 | imex | zeeble: by changing init.d ? |
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| 04:55.07 | zeeble | imex: use update-rc.d to remove the gdm/xdm/kdm whatever. |
| 04:56.29 | zeeble | imex: or that. you could change the permissions on the startup script. or rename it. or something. but update-rc.d would be my recommendation |
| 04:56.36 | imex | zeeble: ok i go try thanks |
| 04:56.49 | zeeble | cheers. |
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| 04:58.18 | imex | zeeble do i have to do it as root, cayuse when i type update-rc.d, it says command not found |
| 04:58.19 | Tadipar | hi.. is anyone here running an AMD64 apache/php/mysql |
| 04:58.41 | zeeble | imex: well, yeah. you have to do it as root. |
| 04:58.51 | wireddd | ok I am looking for a vnc client that has a listen mode so that I can distribute an executable file that is a simple preconfigured vnc server that will connect to my computer so I can fix problems for my friends and family, so does anyone know which vnc clients support listen mode?(similar to ultravnc on windows)? |
| 04:58.52 | imex | just figureed out :p |
| 04:58.57 | zeeble | imex: cool :) |
| 04:59.52 | servus | wireddd: What about Windows Remote Desktop Sharing? |
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| 05:00.43 | wireddd | no it has to go the other way so they don't have to forward ports |
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| 05:01.18 | servus | I think Windows RDP supports that... You can send out an invitation and it does something something. I'm not sure, but I think it was for that problem. |
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| 05:02.04 | wireddd | well I still want to do it with vnc |
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| 05:02.38 | servus | Actually Netmeeting might work. |
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| 05:02.57 | servus | I know I know, you want VNC, but you can run a Netmeeting server and they connect and share their desktop then you can control it. |
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| 05:05.23 | imex | thanks all |
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| 05:10.20 | nautiazn85 | What hashing algorithm is used to store user passwords under linux? |
| 05:11.10 | sanxiyn | nautiazn85: You can choose. |
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| 05:12.09 | nautiazn85 | sonxiyn: how do you check? when you compile the kernel? |
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| 05:12.26 | tootyFNfruity | rsa dsa blowfish ... |
| 05:12.38 | tootyFNfruity | using ssh |
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| 05:14.18 | sanxiyn | nautiazn85: For example, /etc/pam.d/passwd can have "md5" option, or not. (If not, I think it uses crypt() hash.) |
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| 05:14.39 | secher | trying to figure out, is Zork and Dungeon the same game? If no, the next step is, does anyone know if there's a zork available for GNU/Linux? |
| 05:14.57 | sanxiyn | nautiazn85: See also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 05:15.35 | sanxiyn | ("Activate shadow passwords and MD5 passwords" chapter) |
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| 05:17.48 | asuffield | secher: they aren't, and zork is a zcode game so it will run on any of the many zcode interpreters, of which there are at least three in the archive |
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| 05:18.08 | zOrK | beep |
| 05:18.13 | encompass | Hi everyone |
| 05:18.13 | asuffield | secher: dungeon itself was a raw unix game, playable only on unix systems, obviously it runs on linux platforms |
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| 05:18.55 | [11aa] | hi it was a cable |
| 05:19.47 | secher | asuffield: I read that zork was recoded from FORTRAN to C and rereleased on UNIX. Kk, thanks asuffield. |
| 05:19.59 | asuffield | nah, zork was always written in zcode |
| 05:20.01 | secher | hence the question. |
| 05:20.05 | asuffield | dungeon is the one that was rewritten from fortran to C |
| 05:20.16 | encompass | can autopackage work with debian? |
| 05:20.18 | asuffield | zorks 1 through 3 are roughly equivalent to dungeon in plot form, but were written later |
| 05:20.26 | asuffield | and the puzzles aren't the same |
| 05:20.48 | sanxiyn | encompass: Yes, because autopackage team did the work. |
| 05:20.51 | encompass | and I want to get the newest version of gaim... is installing from source my best option or can I use a repository somewhere? |
| 05:21.13 | secher | OH... Hrm, the wiki is slightly off. http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Zork |
| 05:21.17 | relbs_ | is there any way to instruct debuild / dpkg-buildpackage to ignore .svn and CVS files? I have a package in a svn repo, and want to build from a checked out copy as opposed to a exported copy, just to make merging changes simpler. Is this possible? |
| 05:21.20 | [11aa] | mike-sol thanks ! need to explore debian a bit more |
| 05:21.29 | encompass | how do I install an autopackage? dpkg? |
| 05:21.42 | sanxiyn | secher: See also http://packages.debian.org/unstable/virtual/zcode-interpreter |
| 05:21.46 | sanxiyn | encompass: Autopackage. |
| 05:21.53 | encompass | opp ok |
| 05:21.54 | encompass | thanks |
| 05:21.57 | secher | sanxiyn: Danke. |
| 05:21.59 | asuffield | secher: yes, this article is really about dungeon, not zork |
| 05:22.23 | secher | OH. Whoops. <grin> |
| 05:22.28 | asuffield | the rest is roughly accurate but missing information |
| 05:22.49 | asuffield | like the fact that zork was rewritten completely in zcode |
| 05:22.54 | asuffield | and changed around a bit |
| 05:23.27 | secher | can I get a recommendation for a zcode interpreter? those offered in Debian are frotz, jzip and xzip. |
| 05:23.52 | asuffield | haven't used the things in years |
| 05:24.04 | foo | Eek. I have done setterm -blank 0; setterm -powerdown 0; setterm -store ... any my screen turns black after 20 minutes. I am on debian sarge with fluxbox. I don't have xscreensaver. I cannot figure this out for the life of me and no one else seems to know. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:25.07 | encompass | I couldn't find autopackage in the deb repository... does debian use it? |
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| 05:26.12 | sanxiyn | encompass: No. |
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| 05:26.47 | sanxiyn | encompass: Why should Debian use it? Even autopackage upstream says autopackage is not to replace rpm, dpkg, etc. |
| 05:26.52 | tjbonzo | having problems with resolvconf |
| 05:27.23 | tjbonzo | if I enter 127.0.0.1 into my resolv.conf.d/base, I can't get it to appear first in the list |
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| 05:28.23 | encompass | well, my issues is that I need bug fixes and updates with gaim and there is not a newer version of gaim in sarge repository... is there someway for me to get a newer version of gaim without installing from source? or is it better just to install from source. |
| 05:28.24 | tjbonzo | If I put 127.0.0.1 into base first, none of the other nameservers show up |
| 05:28.56 | sanxiyn | encompass: Use autopackage. :-) |
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| 05:29.22 | encompass | sigh... ok |
| 05:29.34 | sanxiyn | encompass: *Debian* doesn't use it. You download .package, and just run it. |
| 05:29.38 | sanxiyn | That's the whole point of Autopackage. |
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| 05:29.41 | sanxiyn | (It's a shell script.) |
| 05:29.51 | encompass | OH! |
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| 05:29.53 | secher | WOOT! ZORK! /me does his Happy Snoopy Dance. |
| 05:29.58 | encompass | well that would be nice... |
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| 05:30.08 | encompass | thanks sanxiyn |
| 05:30.50 | sanxiyn | encompass: Be sure not to install to /usr. |
| 05:30.50 | welson | tjbonzo, what are you trying to fix? 127.0.0.1 should only be in /etc/hosts |
| 05:31.58 | tjbonzo | welson: I'm running a local dns cache (was using bind, switched to pdnsd), so I want resolvconf to first look at 127.0.0.1, then go to the external dns cache |
| 05:32.08 | encompass | sanxiyn: by that you mean... don't install to /usr/ or anywhere in user |
| 05:32.23 | sanxiyn | encompass: I mean, install to /usr/local. |
| 05:32.35 | encompass | yes yes of course |
| 05:32.38 | tjbonzo | welson: oddly enough, if I put 127 in second in /base, then I get both nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 05:32.40 | encompass | thank you |
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| 05:35.04 | valdyn_ | !dpms |
| 05:35.04 | dpkg | i guess dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 05:36.01 | welson | tjbonzo, do you have a domain name entry? |
| 05:36.37 | tjbonzo | welson: no - or well it is set to: search domain_not_set.invalid |
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| 05:38.23 | Natman | does anyone know how /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat gets created? Is it part of a package? |
| 05:38.57 | welson | tjbonzo, try using a domainname and then check your dns resolver |
| 05:39.16 | tjbonzo | welson: ok...will try - thanks |
| 05:39.27 | welson | Natman, dpkg -S /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat |
| 05:39.28 | sanxiyn | Natman: I guess you can read debconf source for that... |
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| 05:40.04 | Natman | welson: not found (that would have been the easy solution)... |
| 05:40.19 | welson | Natman, more about that .dat file --> man debconf-devel |
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| 05:42.22 | Natman | welson: ah, thanks |
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| 05:46.19 | deadcat | i am doing a paper on free speech. whats a good topic? i want articles where authors take a stand on an issue not articles that tells what happen (which is all i can find at this moment.) |
| 05:47.42 | valdyn_ | deadcat: this isnt a good channel to ask this.. |
| 05:48.02 | secher | are you looking for both sides or are you trying to support one side? |
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| 05:49.19 | secher | valdyn_: It's slow tonight. |
| 05:49.35 | deadcat | secher: i am suppose to use 4 article and connect them (of course i will have to take one side) |
| 05:49.36 | tootyFNfruity | microfts stand on the freedom of software would be a good paper to write |
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| 05:50.03 | valdyn_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech |
| 05:50.12 | secher | how old is your teacher? |
| 05:50.38 | deadcat | secher: i am working on students with controversy message on their tshirts. but i cant find any articles that for or against. |
| 05:50.59 | tootyFNfruity | since i reinstalled debian, I cant get the flashplugin to play smooth, and it's choppy and plays reall fast |
| 05:51.02 | deadcat | secher: all i can find are just some kid did this and got suspended. i dont need this |
| 05:52.07 | secher | Oh. Hrm.. tough one. your sources are going to be few and far between. I'd suggest dropping the ACLU a line, they helped me with sources on a civil rights case when I was in school. |
| 05:53.26 | secher | what's teh util to test mirrors for speed? |
| 05:53.35 | valdyn_ | secher: netselect |
| 05:53.42 | secher | valdyn_: Thanks. |
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| 05:53.54 | valdyn_ | secher: apt-cache search that word, there should be a debian version too |
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| 05:56.06 | litage | i compiled a kernel with raid built in, but mkinitrd complained. i'm not sure what to do. any suggestions?: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed FATAL: Module raid1 not found. FATAL: Module raid1 not found. |
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| 05:57.04 | mrwoody | Hi *. I have been trying to follow the instruction at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Packet_Writing_on_CD-RW. But when I try to mount my pktcdvd partition, it hangs there forever. Any idea? |
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| 05:57.36 | bluestrain | How do I manually install a package from the nonfree repository (libapache-mod-fastcgi_2.4.2-6_i386.deb). I have downloaded the package to my home directory. |
| 05:57.50 | litage | bluestrain: dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 05:57.59 | bluestrain | tnx |
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| 05:58.32 | litage | np bluestrain |
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| 06:01.17 | jonesy | hey guys, I'm wondering if anyone can help me out, I'm using lvm snapshots, and when I'm trying to copy a large amount of data to a drive which has been snapshotted, it goes OK for a few hundred megs, then locaks up for ages while it syncs the changes to disk, then keeps going for another few hundred megs and so on |
| 06:01.17 | jonesy | is that normal |
| 06:01.17 | jonesy | ? |
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| 06:01.22 | relic | hello? |
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| 06:02.59 | mrwoody | Hi *. I have been trying to follow the instruction at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Packet_Writing_on_CD-RW. But when I try to mount my pktcdvd partition, it hangs there forever. Any idea? |
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| 06:02.59 | Jacobo221 | how comes hotplug conflicts with udev and usbmount? |
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| 06:03.00 | jonesy | hey guys, I'm wondering if anyone can help me out, I'm using lvm snapshots, and when I'm trying to copy a large amount of data to a drive which has been snapshotted, it goes OK for a few hundred megs, then locaks up for ages while it syncs the changes to disk, then keeps going for another few hundred megs and so on.. is there a way to get rid of this behaviour? |
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| 06:03.47 | HarryL | how do you get packages off the "deselected"? |
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| 06:04.36 | HarryL | need to upgrade but 2 have been flagged, but how to unflag? |
| 06:06.09 | HarryL | tried to apt-get upgrade kdesomething and said deselected no upgrade |
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| 06:07.25 | valdyn_ | HarryL: what exactly did it say? |
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| 06:08.06 | HarryL | dont remember exactly but tried apt-get update apt-get upgrade package name and wouldnt try |
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| 06:08.42 | mehul | How do I setup a local repository and have it work with aptitude/apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 06:09.16 | HarryL | I'll try it again |
| 06:09.22 | jonesy | !apt-proxy |
| 06:09.23 | dpkg | hmm... apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. |
| 06:09.36 | valdyn_ | mehul: your sources.list can contain file:// lines, Packages files are generated with dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 06:10.06 | mehul | I've followed the instructions at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html and modified my /etc/apt/sources.list, yet when I do an 'aptitude upgrade' it doesn't think that the package needs to be upgraded. |
| 06:10.28 | HarryL | said packages kept back kdegraphics kpdf |
| 06:10.40 | valdyn_ | !kept back |
| 06:10.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 06:10.50 | mehul | valdyn_: I've got "deb file:/usr/local/Debs stable main" in my sources.list file |
| 06:11.07 | Jacobo221 | talking about keeping back, why does hotplug conflicts with udev and usbmount on testing? |
| 06:11.47 | valdyn_ | Jacobo221: you might want to have a look at what really conflicts with what. |
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| 06:12.27 | valdyn_ | Jacobo221: new udev conflicts with hotplug because it contains hotplug. I didnt know though that that is in testing already |
| 06:12.30 | shocker | are usb drives mounted automatically? |
| 06:12.36 | jack-black | ok, so i have googled optimizing debian, very little relevence was returned.... can someone point me in the directions of speeding up my laptop? |
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| 06:12.57 | dondelelcaro | jack-black: what about it in particular? |
| 06:13.06 | Jacobo221 | valdyn_: uh, i just noticed: "Provided : udev" :S |
| 06:13.18 | jack-black | my laptop is fairly slow |
| 06:13.24 | dondelelcaro | jack-black: slow doing what? |
| 06:13.24 | jack-black | i am wanting to speed it up |
| 06:13.42 | mehul | jack-black: what sort of hardware is it ? how much memory ? etc ? |
| 06:13.42 | Jacobo221 | valdyn_: since when is this change? and why? it sounds... wierd to me ;) |
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| 06:13.50 | jack-black | it is slow loading apps, booting and shutting down |
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| 06:14.09 | dondelelcaro | jack-black: loading applications is primarily a function of your drive speed; the other two don't particularly matter. |
| 06:14.25 | jack-black | laptop vaio... 128 ram, 700 cpu |
| 06:14.28 | dondelelcaro | jack-black: so long as you've got dma on, loading should be fairly fast. Check with hdparm to make sure dma is functional on your drive. |
| 06:14.31 | jack-black | older laptop |
| 06:14.41 | jack-black | ok |
| 06:14.45 | shocker | are usb flash drives automatically mounted to /dev/sda ? i only have command line |
| 06:15.07 | HarryL | worked thanks |
| 06:15.08 | nse | Hello everybody! I am using the sheel through Konsole, I did apt-get dist-upgrade and the output was too long that went out of the top,becouse of the limit of lines, but I want to see which packages were upgraded! Is there any log of the upgrades? |
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| 06:15.14 | dondelelcaro | shocker: depends; check dmesg. |
| 06:15.52 | jack-black | it is on |
| 06:15.54 | dondelelcaro | nse: only if you're running testing or unstable is that logged. |
| 06:15.56 | shocker | ok |
| 06:16.05 | dondelelcaro | jack-black: well, then it's pretty much as fast as it's going to get unless you set up prelinking or similar. |
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| 06:16.17 | valdyn_ | nse: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 06:16.32 | valdyn_ | nse: ( unless you are using sarge ) |
| 06:16.43 | nse | dondelelcaro, valdyn_: thank you |
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| 06:17.18 | mrwoody | Hi *. I have been trying to follow the instruction at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Packet_Writing_on_CD-RW. But when I try to mount my pktcdvd partition, it hangs there forever. Any idea? |
| 06:17.48 | mrwoody | Does anyone use packet-writing or knows anything else that would allow me to use my cdrw as a drive? |
| 06:17.50 | nse | it is sarge! |
| 06:18.08 | nse | Is there anything to do now!? |
| 06:18.26 | valdyn_ | nse: why would you run dist-upgrade in sarge? did you upgrade from woody? |
| 06:19.54 | valdyn_ | nse: upgrades inside sarge are listed at http://security.debian.org |
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| 06:21.04 | shocker | when i do dmesg it says 'usb mass storage device found at 2' where is 2? |
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| 06:21.58 | sandman | Is it okay to upgrade straight from Sarge to Sid? |
| 06:23.16 | nse | valdyn_ no! I recently changed my sources.list to point to testing.. |
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| 06:28.15 | squareguy | anyone know of something similar to the commercial product "NASLite" using Debian? |
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| 06:29.54 | Eclipser | is there a tool to parse the filename from an URL and change all the %20, %28, %29 and such to their ascii counterparts? |
| 06:30.18 | Eclipser | or should I just use something like sed? (meh, more stuff to learn and busy :<) |
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| 06:32.22 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: URI::Escape in perl; briefly: rename 'use URI::Escape; $_=url_unescape($_)' foofiles; |
| 06:32.37 | dondelelcaro | s/url/uri/ |
| 06:33.03 | deadcat | this from the new apt? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 06:33.09 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
| 06:33.09 | Eclipser | I've never done absolutely nothing in perl though :p |
| 06:33.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you need a key; /msg dpkg apt-key FOOKEYID |
| 06:33.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is that documented in the changelog? |
| 06:33.26 | deadcat | k |
| 06:33.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yerp |
| 06:33.45 | dondelelcaro | (also, see /topic0 |
| 06:33.48 | deadcat | hehe |
| 06:34.00 | Agrajag- | Eclipser: if you have php: php -r 'echo urldecode("URLGOESHERE");' |
| 06:34.12 | dondelelcaro | blech |
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| 06:35.23 | nse | apt-get update ;apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrad ; apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade -s |
| 06:35.30 | black | anybody work with gtkmm? |
| 06:35.37 | Eclipser | Agrajag-, any idea which package is that in? (I have php in my apache but it doesn't seem to come with that program |
| 06:35.38 | nse | that' it. i did a dist-upgrade |
| 06:35.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell black -about ask |
| 06:36.01 | Agrajag- | Eclipser: php4-cli |
| 06:36.02 | black | I want to get the size of a drawing area |
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| 06:36.14 | Agrajag- | Eclipser: it's actually /usr/bin/php4 not just php |
| 06:36.15 | Eclipser | thanks |
| 06:36.15 | black | but I can't found how to do it.... |
| 06:36.16 | nse | this is a part of my /home/root/.bash_history |
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| 06:37.55 | Eclipser | Agrajag-, great, now I just need to get only the filename from it :p |
| 06:38.10 | Eclipser | I think php had a function for that too... |
| 06:38.40 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: just basename |
| 06:39.13 | Eclipser | aa! |
| 06:39.16 | Eclipser | thanks |
| 06:39.22 | Agrajag- | Eclipser: possibly parse_url if basename isn't what you want |
| 06:39.28 | dondelelcaro | perl -MFile::Basename -MURI::Escape -e 'print basename(uri_unescape(q(foo)))' |
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| 06:39.35 | Eclipser | I'm not really a php fan, but I'm CERTAINLY not a PERL fan |
| 06:39.43 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; your loss. |
| 06:39.46 | Eclipser | :p |
| 06:40.00 | Eclipser | I rather do things in python, even though my python skills are somewhat noobish |
| 06:40.10 | jm_ | me neither, but perl is appealing because of it has a lot of useful modules |
| 06:40.18 | dondelelcaro | then do them in python... just don't write stuff in PHP. |
| 06:40.35 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, don't subject anyone else to anything you've written in that language) |
| 06:40.39 | Eclipser | dondelelcaro, this thing works now and I've no real reason to make it "properly" |
| 06:40.52 | Eclipser | it's only a script to help me download everything from remix.kwed.org :p |
| 06:41.05 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: uh... any reason why you're not using wget? |
| 06:41.09 | Eclipser | I am |
| 06:41.16 | Eclipser | but they have 50 files/h/ip limit |
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| 06:41.55 | Eclipser | I'm making a script which downloads 50 files, waits an hour and downloads 50 files again (my problem had to do with detecting already downloaded files) |
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| 06:43.26 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: so use wget ... -w 80 --random-wait ...; |
| 06:44.06 | dondelelcaro | (possibly without the --random-wait) |
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| 06:48.48 | Jacobo221 | which is recommended to use for hotplug: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware or /lib/formware? |
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| 06:49.29 | icyfire0573 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.43 | mhall | Alright I seem to be banned from a channel. How do I figure out what's preventing my entry? I don't recall doing anything assholish there so I'm not sure why I'm banned. |
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| 06:50.03 | icyfire0573 | is it just me or is kde3.4 broken in etch? |
| 06:50.11 | jm_ | mhall: check ban list and see if it matches |
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| 06:50.40 | concept10 | gosh, i never understand why people just blog to repurpose news |
| 06:51.06 | Supaplex | I recall a few weeks before Sarge was released, I followed steps from an (the?) install guide that included hd install details about writing a boot record to the target drive. I'm not seeing any of this in the current install guide. Where is it now? |
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| 06:51.25 | mhall | jm_: yeah how |
| 06:51.31 | mhall | jm_: i never had to check one before |
| 06:51.47 | mhall | jm_: cause the only other one i got banned from was #debian for being rude |
| 06:51.51 | mhall | jm_: and #gentoo for trolling |
| 06:52.00 | mhall | jm_: so i didn't check since i knew what i did wrong |
| 06:53.43 | dondelelcaro | mhall: odds are you're not a registered user. |
| 06:54.01 | dondelelcaro | mhall: there are a lot of channels which are +r, and won't let you in unless you've registered and identified. |
| 06:54.27 | Supaplex | ah ha. I found it in an old bookmark. yay personal web directory (70kb of bookmarks) |
| 06:54.47 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yeah it's on efnet |
| 06:54.58 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and i got in like two days ago |
| 06:55.09 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and left of my own accord without annoying anyone afaik |
| 06:55.45 | dondelelcaro | mhall: oh. Have nothing to do with that. |
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| 06:56.24 | jm_ | mhall: /mode #debian b |
| 06:56.35 | hunterp | how can i blast the kernel file cache |
| 06:56.41 | mhall | jm_: thanks |
| 06:56.45 | jm_ | mhall: but IRC server usually tells you the reason why you can't join a channel |
| 06:57.11 | icyfire0573 | when i run 'aptitude install kde' i get 'kde: Depends: kde-amusements but it is not installable' and 'Depends: kdeaddons which is a virtual package.' is this a known problem, or is it just me? |
| 06:57.13 | mhall | jm_: it just said i was banned heh |
| 06:57.18 | jm_ | mhall: ahh heh |
| 06:57.46 | icyfire0573 | btw thats in Etch |
| 06:58.20 | dondelelcaro | icyfire0573: run aptitude; and walk through the dependencies to see why kde-amusements can't be installed. |
| 06:58.40 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ah crap |
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| 06:58.44 | chrismurf | Is there a way to install .deb packages as non-root, such as in your home directory? |
| 06:58.49 | mhall | dondelelcaro: some genius banned every ip beginning with 138 |
| 06:58.54 | mhall | dondelelcaro: not my lucky day |
| 06:58.59 | streuner | chrismurf: no |
| 06:59.24 | dondelelcaro | heh. that means I'd be banned too. |
| 06:59.27 | icyfire0573 | aptitude install kde-amusements -> kde-amusements: Depends: kdeedu but it is not installable; aptitude install kdeedu -> kdeedu: Depends: kig (>= 4:3.4.2-2.1) but it is not installable |
| 06:59.28 | chrismurf | streuner, thanks. My shared host is confused, then ;-) |
| 06:59.33 | streuner | haha |
| 06:59.45 | mhall | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 06:59.47 | dondelelcaro | (that's a whole swath of .edus in california) |
| 07:00.14 | hunterp | i have no swap ins nor swap outs. what else would be causing this slowness that a restart cures if not the file cache |
| 07:00.26 | hunterp | i restarted X and its still slow |
| 07:01.04 | Supaplex | now where the $*@$( are the kernel and initrd install images? |
| 07:01.25 | Supaplex | pardon me. I'm tired :) |
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| 07:02.02 | streuner | mhall: sounds like a genius indeed... |
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| 07:02.10 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: what, you mean linux-image... |
| 07:03.29 | deadcat | whats the thing called when you say oath in courth with your hand on the bible? |
| 07:03.39 | Supaplex | I have a laptop drive on my usb adapter. I'd like to boot from the drive, seeing as how the floppy is not worth the effort, and there's no cd etc. basically netinst but on the harddisk... |
| 07:03.49 | Supaplex | deadcat: oath? |
| 07:03.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: being sworn in? |
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| 07:04.09 | SimonRaven | deadcat: being sworn in; nowadays (up here anyway) your can give your word |
| 07:04.10 | dondelelcaro | (or "under oath" |
| 07:04.27 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:04.34 | SimonRaven | s/your/you/ |
| 07:04.59 | dondelelcaro | they basically just ask you: "Do you ... " and you answer in the affirmative. Few courts have bibles anymore. |
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| 07:05.35 | Supaplex | and now for ##legalease ;) |
| 07:05.39 | dondelelcaro | (but that really depends on the judge) |
| 07:05.48 | mhall | dondelelcaro: who does 138 belong to before it got handed out or how did we all end up w/ it |
| 07:06.00 | sobersabre | hi guys .. nfs + automounter q.: is it possible to have automounter not to umount unless told so ? |
| 07:06.06 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. thats the thing. i am planning to write a paper on the bible since not everyone believe in it. but dont know how to find article on that... might just do flag burning (my friend's topic but fuck him (= ) |
| 07:06.19 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it's one of the class Bs iirc; so there's a whole bunch of people with /16s on it. |
| 07:06.38 | dondelelcaro | (well, was one of the class Bs) |
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| 07:07.04 | orangerd | hi, i just upgraded my gdesklets to 0.35.2-3, and it doesn't start anymore |
| 07:07.06 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro what's "class Bs" |
| 07:07.14 | orangerd | does anyone have similar issues? |
| 07:07.25 | sobersabre | orangerd maybe you should kill all the old ones... ? |
| 07:07.26 | mhall | !tell orangerd about bts |
| 07:07.28 | deadcat | orangerd: no. gdesklets sucks |
| 07:07.38 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: a (now totally outdated) network allocation block. |
| 07:07.48 | sobersabre | Oh. :) |
| 07:07.50 | orangerd | sobersabre: the old ones are killed - restarted the whole comp just in case |
| 07:08.10 | sobersabre | if it were "network" keyword I wouldn't miss :) |
| 07:08.46 | sobersabre | orangerd It was just a "hunch" nothing based on real life experience... I hate dirt on my desktop |
| 07:08.50 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: class As were /8s, Bs were /16s, and Cs were /24s. |
| 07:08.59 | mhall | dondelelcaro: but why california edus in perticular |
| 07:09.05 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro you shouldn't continue! |
| 07:09.18 | dondelelcaro | mhall: actually, I lied; there are only a few there. |
| 07:09.25 | mhall | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 07:10.23 | orangerd | sobersabre: ahh.. i see |
| 07:10.45 | orangerd | i guess theres nothing really on bugzilla, so ill take a look at it a bit further |
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| 07:14.25 | Supaplex | where are the files referenced in http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html at? |
| 07:14.50 | mhall | Anybody know of a good mathematics or statistics IRC channel besides efnet #math? I can't get in b/c they banned 138.*.*.* |
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| 07:20.23 | iluciv | hi I'm haveing trouble with v4l cvs |
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| 07:21.51 | iluciv | can anyone tell me where I should have the v4l cvs directioies installed /home/me/... or /usr/src/... |
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| 07:22.05 | yos | hi |
| 07:22.17 | iluciv | when I try to merge-trees.sh I get... |
| 07:22.37 | iluciv | merge-trees.sh: line 6: cd: ../linux: No such file or directory |
| 07:22.38 | iluciv | merge-trees.sh: line 8: cd: ../../dvb-kernel/linux: No such file or directory |
| 07:22.38 | iluciv | find: drivers/media: No such file or directory |
| 07:22.47 | iluciv | yos:hi |
| 07:23.00 | yos | iluciv: thx |
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| 07:23.32 | iluciv | hmmm |
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| 07:23.39 | yos | (^^) |
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| 07:24.13 | morphius | I am trying to set up dual monitors using xinerama. I have configured my xorg.conf file, and I can load gnome, however it only appears on the right (secondary) screen. At that time the right screen (primary, the one that has the boot information) shows the terminal login prompt. If I ctl+alt+f1-f6, I get the terminal on that screen. The right screen will blank an show the manufacturer information. Then when I ctl+alt+f7, the right screen will return to |
| 07:25.03 | iluciv | card type? |
| 07:25.35 | morphius | 1 nvidia vanta (agp), 1 cirrus alpine (pci) |
| 07:25.58 | iluciv | oh never tried dual card setup |
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| 07:26.35 | yos | where can I find an arabic debian channel |
| 07:27.14 | morph_ | Ôõô°ì£¿ |
| 07:27.26 | yos | ? |
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| 07:29.01 | yos | someone ÚÑÈí |
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| 07:29.12 | TheCount | moin |
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| 07:30.04 | yos | hi nudenurd |
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| 07:33.53 | yos | asg: so many people in debian ? but no activity why? |
| 07:34.15 | servus | Shh, you're ruining it. |
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| 07:35.51 | yos | servus: why you say that |
| 07:36.00 | yos | servus: are u here to play! |
| 07:36.45 | servus | !u |
| 07:36.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:37.09 | Gnea | yos: lol, many people go to sleep at odd times |
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| 07:38.09 | yos | gnea: but why all online, |
| 07:38.17 | Gnea | yos: i could be wrong, but you might want to try #debian on irc.icq.com |
| 07:38.22 | Gnea | yos: idling |
| 07:39.23 | Gnea | yos: also, are you aware of arabeyes? |
| 07:40.16 | yos | gnea: no, |
| 07:40.25 | yos | gnea: what is that? |
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| 07:41.02 | Gnea | yos: http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=Debian |
| 07:41.35 | Gnea | yos: it's a directional group aimed at improving arabic translations with *nix |
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| 07:41.59 | Gnea | even rms blessed it |
| 07:43.21 | Gnea | yos: i don't even know how to read arabic, yet these screenshots speak for themselves: http://art.arabeyes.org/debian/2_G |
| 07:44.09 | yos | gnea: do you know a debian arabic channel |
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| 07:44.33 | Gnea | yos: like i said, you can try #debian on irc.icq.com |
| 07:44.45 | yos | servus: but you alrady get the mean of *U* and that what I want |
| 07:44.53 | Gnea | yos: i don't know for sure, but i think some of the debian arabic folk are there |
| 07:45.02 | yos | gnea: yea , thank you |
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| 07:45.11 | yos | gnea: I'll try |
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| 07:45.20 | cohonen | anyone here can help me setting up some xen |
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| 07:45.30 | Blackhold | hello how I could see the free disk space of my hd? |
| 07:45.30 | cohonen | more exact xenoprof on xen |
| 07:45.38 | Gnea | yos: no problem. btw, it's futile arguing the whole 'u' thing here |
| 07:45.51 | Gnea | Blackhold: df |
| 07:45.57 | Blackhold | thnks |
| 07:46.23 | yos | gnea: yea the link is arabic |
| 07:46.31 | yos | gnea: but it's not right |
| 07:46.45 | yos | gnea: so many worng there |
| 07:46.56 | Gnea | cohonen: there was someone around here at one point that was doing some heavy work with xen - i tried to get it up and running, but ran out of time at the time..haven't seen him around |
| 07:47.05 | dondelelcaro | yos: help out and fix it... |
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| 07:47.07 | Gnea | yos: i don't know what you mean? |
| 07:47.32 | cohonen | Gnea, remember his nick ? |
| 07:47.44 | Gnea | cohonen: not offhand :/ |
| 07:47.51 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: what's the question? |
| 07:48.05 | Gnea | !xen |
| 07:48.05 | dpkg | methinks xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
| 07:48.07 | yos | dondelelcaro: how to do that |
| 07:48.18 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, who do i get xenoprof on my xen setup |
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| 07:48.31 | rue_mohr | apt find unlame |
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| 07:48.37 | cohonen | i see theres 3 patches but how to apply them ? |
| 07:48.42 | dondelelcaro | yos: with the arabic? http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=Debian |
| 07:48.47 | Gnea | yos: well there's a website there complete with mail lists, email addresses and even a login box |
| 07:48.54 | yos | gnea: some word is wrong |
| 07:49.03 | Gnea | yos: it happnes. |
| 07:49.19 | yos | gnea: yea |
| 07:49.21 | ice_1963 | now i'm running sid |
| 07:49.21 | Gnea | yos: u know?! :P |
| 07:49.53 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, any ideas? |
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| 07:51.29 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: get the three patches, get apt-get source xen; apply the patch to xen using patch; get oprofile, patch that; install debs; figure out what the xenolinux patch does, and do that to Debian. |
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| 07:51.37 | yos | gnea: no |
| 07:51.37 | yos | :p |
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| 07:52.16 | Gnea | yos: so what's that irc.icq.com about? did you try it? |
| 07:52.17 | WoodyWoodpecke | What is a good development channel for C ? |
| 07:52.24 | dondelelcaro | WoodyWoodpecke: ##c |
| 07:52.28 | Gnea | #C |
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| 07:52.44 | WoodyWoodpecke | Gnea: thanks very much |
| 07:52.56 | yos | gnea: I shoud disconnect this server to try it |
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| 07:53.15 | sophacles | hi all. quick question.... /var/cache/apt/archives has grown to a very large size causing me some problems (device full style) what is safe to rm from there? |
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| 07:53.30 | Gnea | yos: good idea |
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| 07:53.46 | Gnea | sophacles: egads... just apt-get clean |
| 07:55.23 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, i should just ignore the patch dir inside the source dir? |
| 07:55.25 | sophacles | hmm. is that something i should do on a regular basis? |
| 07:55.44 | Gnea | it won't hurt |
| 07:56.01 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: which patch? only only need to apply the one you get from xenoprof |
| 07:57.20 | yos | gnea: I want to stay with you now |
| 07:58.09 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, ive got oprof patch xen patch and linux 2.6.10 patch |
| 07:58.49 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, the 2.6.10 patch is proberly just til normal linux -> xenolinux patch |
| 07:59.21 | litage | is this what the fstab entry for a RAIDed swap partition should look like?: /dev/md5 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 08:01.52 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, oki so i patch xen with the xen patch |
| 08:02.12 | sep | litage, yes |
| 08:02.14 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: right, and oprof with the oprof patch; dunno about the 2.6.10 patch; probably can be ignored. |
| 08:02.19 | cohonen | and the two other patches is for making a new kernel with from a std 2.6.10 |
| 08:02.54 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, if i can id preferr to build akernel myself |
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| 08:03.09 | rue_mohr | apt find unlame |
| 08:03.09 | cohonen | what do you mean oprofile ,, inst it a part of the kernel |
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| 08:03.19 | cohonen | or is it the frontend they mean =? |
| 08:03.55 | ice_1963 | jest installed kernel-image 2.6.14 :0) |
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| 08:05.12 | kletter-matze | re |
| 08:05.14 | kletter-matze | morning |
| 08:06.01 | yos | i go |
| 08:06.03 | kletter-matze | has anyone of you a 3ware escalade 8506-4LP sata raid controller running? |
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| 08:08.33 | rue_mohr | I thought it was "unlame" |
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| 08:12.34 | litage | this boot message occurred when booting from a raid drive: "EXT3-fs error (device md1): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 602118. Remounting filesystem read-only". now ``mount'' says nothing is mounted. what's going on? |
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| 08:13.37 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, ofcause the patches are made for an older xen |
| 08:13.40 | cohonen | 2.0.5 |
| 08:14.07 | cohonen | should i mod the patches and hope it works or try to find the 2.0.5 release |
| 08:16.45 | silverton | from putty, is there a way to switch the view from tty1 to a different one on the box itself? |
| 08:16.56 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: hrm.. they should have patches against 2.0.6 too |
| 08:17.06 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: unless they've stopped developing it or something |
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| 08:18.33 | Tinky1901 | Hello, I installed reinstalled windows and I can't access my old linux installation. Can someone help me get my linux back please? |
| 08:18.39 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=135914 <-- doesnt look so |
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| 08:19.09 | litage | Tinky1901: use a bootable linux cd to boot into linux, then reinstall your bootloader of choice onto your HD's MBR |
| 08:19.40 | cohonen | im also in doubt as weather i need to patch the xen kernel with oprofile first |
| 08:19.59 | Tinky1901 | litage: the only cd i have is sarge testing dvd |
| 08:20.21 | litage | Tinky1901: is it bootable? |
| 08:21.07 | Tinky1901 | litage: it loads something where you can type in linux26, expert26 etc then loads debian installer |
| 08:21.15 | Tinky1901 | so I guess so |
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| 08:22.14 | litage | Tinky1901: ah, i was referring more to a live linux cd |
| 08:22.22 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, is oprofile normally a patch in it self ,, i mean for the linux kernel |
| 08:22.38 | Tinky1901 | litage: well I dont have one, or the means to get one.. is there another alternative? |
| 08:22.49 | cohonen | xenolinux sources doesnt seem to have it |
| 08:22.58 | Tinky1901 | litage: i've tried just installing the bootloader from the installer but it doesnt let me |
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| 08:23.27 | litage | Tinky1901: without access to a live linux cd, i don't know. have you googled yet for things like "windows install grub"? |
| 08:23.33 | silverton | is there a program that will take a snapshot from a webcam and save it to a directory every X seconds? |
| 08:23.40 | dondelelcaro | cohonen: I'm not familiar with oprofile; I just use xen itself. |
| 08:24.12 | Tinky1901 | litage: i've googled just not that, ill give that ago. Thanks |
| 08:24.21 | cohonen | dondelelcaro, you dont happen to have the xen patch for the 2.6.10 kernel |
| 08:24.33 | litage | Tinky1901: np |
| 08:24.36 | cohonen | i would really like to build a xen kernel from buttom up |
| 08:25.05 | cohonen | espicially with these old xenoprof patches |
| 08:25.13 | nixUX | whats xen again? |
| 08:25.32 | cohonen | nixUX, its a hypervisor |
| 08:25.35 | nixUX | like vmware or something? |
| 08:25.35 | GlenneMannen | how can I seup my nic on my debian to use full duplex and how can I see that it's using full duplex on the nic? |
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| 08:25.58 | cohonen | nixUX, nope its more like the old ibm mainframes in architecture |
| 08:26.15 | cohonen | but i loathe the documentation |
| 08:26.30 | jm_ | GlenneMannen: driver options, ethtool/mii-tool |
| 08:26.45 | cohonen | GlenneMannen, use dmesg |
| 08:26.47 | nixUX | what does it actually do? |
| 08:26.51 | cohonen | i dont trust mii-tool |
| 08:27.12 | cohonen | eg. it doesnt tell the difference on gigabit or fast ethernet |
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| 08:27.30 | GlenneMannen | cohonen: dmesg? |
| 08:28.07 | cohonen | GlenneMannen, yea,,, dmesg |
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| 08:28.28 | nixUX | ok, i'm giving gnome-2.13.2 a try on my testing hard drive :-) |
| 08:28.50 | GlenneMannen | hmm it's running full duplex already hmmm.. why can I just get like 6mbit when downloading from it on my lan? |
| 08:29.11 | GlenneMannen | or I mean... 6-7000kb/s |
| 08:29.29 | GlenneMannen | KB |
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| 08:29.56 | cohonen | GlenneMannen, how are you downloading it |
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| 08:30.22 | GlenneMannen | cohonen: ftp |
| 08:30.24 | silverton | GlenneMannen, that's about what I get when transferring files on my network |
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| 08:30.39 | marculix | GlenneMannen: do you have a 10mbit hub? |
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| 08:30.50 | GlenneMannen | I got a 1000mbit switch |
| 08:30.52 | GlenneMannen | wops |
| 08:30.54 | silverton | marculix, on 10mbit, you get about 1MB/s |
| 08:30.54 | GlenneMannen | 100 |
| 08:31.43 | jm_ | GlenneMannen: how fast are your machines? |
| 08:31.52 | basanta | I need to build .deb from mozilla1.7 src using rfakeroot, but 1.7 mozilla is no longer in the stable or testing repositories .. |
| 08:31.58 | marculix | GlenneMannen: Do you have a gigabit ethernet card in your pc? |
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| 08:32.07 | plbgnr | hello, I installed gnome and then removed. I came back to fluxbox ...but gnome (I think) set strange colors (white background, gray font,...) for xterm in so strange way that when I 'dpkg --purge xterm' and then 'apt-get install xterm' these settings are still there..:( why? --purge option doesn't remove all user settings? |
| 08:32.16 | GlenneMannen | marculix: no gigabit cards.. |
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| 08:32.35 | GlenneMannen | jm_: the server isn't that fast but my workstations is like 1.5GHz |
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| 08:32.49 | GlenneMannen | the server is like 500-600mhz |
| 08:32.50 | jm_ | GlenneMannen: ok, define that fast |
| 08:32.50 | silverton | I don't know anyone who can fully utilize a 100mbit network... given network overhead, protocols that just won't do it, systems that aren't configured for optimal network transfer |
| 08:32.52 | marculix | GlenneMannen: what peak performance is your interface able to produce? |
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| 08:33.08 | jm_ | GlenneMannen: I get about 8MB/s with P2 333 |
| 08:33.10 | SimonRaven | plbgnr: no it doesn't |
| 08:33.22 | silverton | jm_, P2's own though :) |
| 08:33.30 | GlenneMannen | jm_: ok |
| 08:33.40 | GlenneMannen | marculix: how do I see that? |
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| 08:34.45 | jm_ | GlenneMannen: use nc + /dev/zero + dd or somesuch |
| 08:35.42 | marculix | GlenneMannen: dmesg | grep eth# |
| 08:36.16 | sep | i have installed and loaded the nvidia driver using nvidia one-liner. but when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg nvidia isnt shown in the list |
| 08:36.51 | GlenneMannen | marculix: eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 |
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| 08:37.07 | silverton | marculix, that doesn't really show it's "peak performance" |
| 08:37.45 | plbgnr | SimonRaven: ok then, ...so what can I do now is 'dpkg -L xterm >file && dpkg --purge xterm' and find out which files are still in system? or is there a simpler way? |
| 08:37.51 | marculix | GlenneMannen: I have a 10mbit hub, a theoretical peak performance of 1MB/second, and when I measure the real performance using bing(1) from my mobile to the router, I get 8.127Mbps what absolut normal |
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| 08:38.33 | SimonRaven | plbgnr: check ~/ for an .Xdefaults or .Xresources file. FYI, the default for xterm is black on white background... |
| 08:38.37 | cohonen | Aghhhhhh |
| 08:38.57 | marculix | GlenneMannen: seems you already have full duplex ;-) |
| 08:39.24 | GlenneMannen | yeah |
| 08:39.35 | marculix | GlenneMannen: How you measure the performance which you told us above? |
| 08:39.54 | GlenneMannen | marculix: transfered files from the ftp |
| 08:40.01 | marculix | hmm |
| 08:40.07 | silverton | I get this when running bing: minimum delay difference is zero, can't estimate link throughput. |
| 08:40.16 | jm_ | GlenneMannen: don't do that, hard disk reads will take some performance away from the NIC |
| 08:40.25 | marculix | use a professional tool like bing for that |
| 08:40.30 | jm_ | use nc or bing |
| 08:40.33 | jm_ | yeah |
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| 08:41.21 | marculix | GlenneMannen: apt-get install bing |
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| 08:41.48 | marculix | jm_: what is nc? Something like bing? |
| 08:41.51 | marculix | then?? |
| 08:42.21 | jm_ | marculix: netcat |
| 08:42.39 | marculix | thanks, I'll check that |
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| 08:47.57 | GlenneMannen | marculix: how do I use bing? |
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| 08:52.57 | torc | it looks like hp cciss raid controller driver does not support generic scsi interface directly, but is it possible to use some kind of wrapper for this? |
| 08:53.07 | GlenneMannen | marculix: ok did run it it showed me like 33Mpbs |
| 08:53.21 | pusling | where are example config files supposed to be located ? |
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| 08:54.14 | jcdubacq | hi! is there a channel specific to x.org and debian related problems? |
| 08:55.37 | Tinky1901 | I've overwritten my grub when I reinstalled windows. I've managed to use an old slackware cd to load somesort of linux version and mount my old partition. Now how do I reactivate grub? |
| 08:55.46 | Tinky1901 | Please help. |
| 08:55.48 | pusling | grub-install |
| 08:56.45 | basanta | room, does any one know the IRC channed for mozilla? |
| 08:57.30 | streuner | basanta: irc.mozilla.org? |
| 08:58.23 | streuner | http://www.mozilla.org/support/ |
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| 08:59.33 | Tinky1901 | grub-install doesn't like me |
| 08:59.57 | Tinky1901 | format of install_device not recognized |
| 08:59.59 | Tinky1901 | and some other errors |
| 09:00.20 | jm_ | how did you run it? |
| 09:00.35 | Tinky1901 | grub-install hdxx |
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| 09:00.50 | Tinky1901 | where xx ranged from a - f and 1- 9 respectively |
| 09:00.54 | jm_ | wrong |
| 09:01.11 | Tinky1901 | obviously :P |
| 09:01.16 | jm_ | INSTALL_DEVICE can be a GRUB device name or a system device filename. |
| 09:01.26 | litage | Tinky1901: what does /boot/grub/device.map contain? |
| 09:01.30 | jm_ | so use one or the other and you should be fine |
| 09:01.55 | Tinky1901 | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 09:02.01 | Tinky1901 | (hd1) /dev/hdb |
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| 09:02.09 | Tinky1901 | jm_: i dont understand |
| 09:02.20 | litage | Tinky1901: which drive do you boot from? hda or hdb? |
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| 09:02.38 | Tinky1901 | i think b but not too sure |
| 09:02.44 | jm_ | Tinky1901: there, you see what kind of device names you can use with grub-install |
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| 09:03.07 | litage | Tinky1901: run ``grub-install hd0'' to install grub onto hda. run ``grub-install hd1'' to install grub onto hdb |
| 09:03.34 | _NiC | can someone point me to a howto on creating a sarge netinstall-cd with a custom kernel? |
| 09:03.56 | Tinky1901 | litage: i get the same error as above |
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| 09:04.28 | jm_ | _NiC: Debian installer web page has FAQ and Wiki |
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| 09:04.32 | Tinky1901 | then uniq:command not found |
| 09:04.36 | Tinky1901 | then sed: command not found |
| 09:04.45 | Tinky1901 | then format of install_device not recognized |
| 09:04.48 | andreiutz | is debian better than slackware ? |
| 09:04.50 | bazz | i'm trying to get my usb m-audio quattro card working, i've got it playing fine, but recording seems broken, i think the problem is i don't have the device /dev/snd/pcmC1D1c, at least when i strace programs trying to record, they fail trying to open that device. any ideas about why i might not have that device and how i can get/create it? |
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| 09:05.15 | litage | Tinky1901: does this slackware you've booted have sed and uniq installed? |
| 09:05.32 | _NiC | jm_: thanks, I'll take a look. :) |
| 09:05.40 | litage | Tinky1901: try ``grub-install --recheck hd0'' |
| 09:06.23 | jm_ | no wonder it doesn't work if it can't find uniq or sed |
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| 09:06.45 | Tinky1901 | litage: same thing, I dont know. I put it in and typed rescue and it let me moutn my partitions |
| 09:06.48 | jm_ | Tinky1901: you need to chroot first |
| 09:06.50 | Tinky1901 | i dont know what its got |
| 09:07.05 | Tinky1901 | jm_:how do i do that please? |
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| 09:07.36 | jm_ | Tinky1901: chroot mount_point - it has a man page you know |
| 09:07.46 | streuner | andreiutz: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 09:07.48 | Tinky1901 | man isnt in this |
| 09:08.12 | litage | Tinky1901: as jm_ said, chroot to your mounted partitions |
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| 09:09.33 | Tinky1901 | litage: okie thanks, i typed grub-install hd1 and it returned the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
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| 09:09.56 | litage | Tinky1901: you might also want to install grub on hd0 |
| 09:10.04 | davi_ | How to disable the TERM beep, to avoid disturb my coworkers? :) I use Debian 3.1 stable. |
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| 09:10.18 | Tinky1901 | litage: same error for hd0 |
| 09:10.30 | jm_ | davi: as in shell beeping? |
| 09:10.40 | davi_ | yes jm_ |
| 09:10.47 | jm_ | davi_: what shell is it? |
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| 09:11.04 | davi_ | bash I think |
| 09:11.09 | jm_ | man readline |
| 09:11.11 | litage | Tinky1901: please paste the output to pastebin (eg: rafb.net/paste) |
| 09:11.32 | jm_ | davi_: and also ask dpkg about "silence speaker" and "bell" |
| 09:11.38 | litage | davi_: ``echo $SHELL'' to determine your shell |
| 09:11.39 | jm_ | and "shell beep" |
| 09:11.46 | davi_ | thanks jm_ |
| 09:12.10 | davi_ | what is the command to ask to dpkg ? |
| 09:12.33 | jm_ | /msg dpkg factoid_name |
| 09:12.33 | litage | jm_: got a strange one for ya concerning a swap partition. you up for it? :) |
| 09:12.49 | jm_ | Tinky1901: you have a log of what was going on in /tmp/grub-install.log.* |
| 09:13.04 | jm_ | litage: the fstab entry for RAID-ed swap partition you asked earlier? |
| 09:13.21 | jm_ | asked about even |
| 09:13.25 | litage | jm_: that sort of pertains to it |
| 09:13.39 | Tinky1901 | litage: pasted |
| 09:13.45 | jm_ | litage: go ahead then |
| 09:13.47 | Tinky1901 | jm_: no log there |
| 09:13.55 | litage | Tinky1901: we need the url |
| 09:14.03 | jm_ | Tinky1901: you need to do all of this in chroot |
| 09:14.04 | Tinky1901 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ed6Otc48.html |
| 09:14.16 | Tinky1901 | i did |
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| 09:14.19 | Tinky1901 | i believe its right |
| 09:14.38 | Tinky1901 | my command prompt is [root@rescue /]# |
| 09:14.51 | jm_ | that can't be - grub-install will exit when it says not read correctly and thus leave the file there |
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| 09:16.11 | litage | after doing re-initializing my swap partitions and restarting, "Unable to find swap-space signature" still occured when booting: http://rafb.net/paste/results/30yhfJ55.html |
| 09:16.56 | litage | s/doing// |
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| 09:17.11 | iluciv | where are cvs files supposed to go /usr/src ??? |
| 09:17.24 | basanta | room: CHANNEL FOR MOZILLA OR MOZILLA LOCALIZATION OF MOZILLA DEV ?? |
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| 09:17.55 | liable | haha |
| 09:18.15 | Tinky1901 | so jm_, litage what do I do? |
| 09:18.24 | litage | Tinky1901: be patient |
| 09:18.26 | jm_ | litage: hmm sounds like something RAID specific |
| 09:18.32 | Tinky1901 | litage: sorry |
| 09:18.57 | litage | Tinky1901: where did you mount your partitions to? |
| 09:19.03 | jm_ | litage: i.e. is /dev/md5 there? can you read from it? |
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| 09:19.46 | litage | jm_: /dev/md5 isn't mounted since it's a swap partition. but ``swapon -s'' says it's being used: /dev/md5 partition 979832 0 -1 |
| 09:20.01 | jm_ | litage: I know that, but you should still be able to read from it |
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| 09:20.29 | jm_ | litage: or do you mean that swapon works after boot, but not initially? |
| 09:20.42 | Tinky1901 | litage: i mounted /dev/hdf5 on /mnt/blah then chrooted |
| 09:20.54 | jm_ | initially=during boot, in mountall.sh |
| 09:21.00 | litage | jm_: swapon works after boot. i don't know if it does/n't work during boot |
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| 09:22.13 | jm_ | litage: mountall.sh just calls 'swapon -a' - not sure why that wouldn't work if it shows it being used later on, maybe add some debugging to this script |
| 09:22.25 | jm_ | either there or checkroot.sh |
| 09:22.26 | tarzeau | why on debian i get from nm /lib/libc.so.6 | grep major |
| 09:22.31 | tarzeau | nm: /lib/libc.so.6: no symbols |
| 09:22.34 | Jacobo221 | hi. debian (udev installed) keeps linking me /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdd (where my dvd is) instead of to /dev/hdc (where my cdrw is). how can i fix this? |
| 09:22.36 | jm_ | tarzeau: nm -D |
| 09:22.39 | tarzeau | instead of 000e0c10 T gnu_dev_major |
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| 09:22.58 | litage | Tinky1901: depending on how you parititioned your HD(s), you may need to mount more of them. for instance, if /usr is on a different partition, then /usr/bin/uniq won't be accessible |
| 09:23.11 | tarzeau | jm_: ok i get lots of stuff then, but not the gnu_dev_major .. |
| 09:23.23 | litage | jm_: yeah i'm going to take out the "2> /dev/null" from the swapon command in mountall.sh |
| 09:23.30 | jm_ | tarzeau: maybe that's in a newer version, I don't have it |
| 09:23.48 | tarzeau | jm_: ok let me check on sid... |
| 09:24.11 | Tinky1901 | litage: i have my linux split over 2 partitions, the other partition thats not mounted holds /home |
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| 09:24.38 | tarzeau | jm_: i only have gnu/kfreebsd with sid available... |
| 09:24.53 | tarzeau | someone with sid on i386 can do: nm /lib/libc.so.6 | grep major and tell me the result please? |
| 09:24.58 | jm_ | nm -D! |
| 09:24.59 | litage | Tinky1901: hrm |
| 09:25.08 | tarzeau | jm_: err with -D yes |
| 09:25.19 | litage | jm_: ``sudo dmesg | grep -i "activating swap" '' returns nothing, which is interesting |
| 09:25.29 | Tinky1901 | litage: is there a grub-install or something i can use to reinstall grub on my hard drive, not on the rescue cd i have? |
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| 09:25.54 | litage | Tinky1901: it should be /sbin/grub-instal |
| 09:25.56 | litage | Tinky1901: it should be /sbin/grub-install |
| 09:26.21 | jm_ | litage: that won't be in dmesg |
| 09:26.29 | litage | jm_: where would it be? |
| 09:26.48 | jm_ | litage: do you have bootlogd enabled? |
| 09:27.16 | litage | jm_: just rebooted and saw that swapon error'd with "/dev/md5 invalid argument" |
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| 09:27.25 | jm_ | Tinky1901: you're using the one on your hard drive if you chroot properly |
| 09:27.34 | jm_ | litage: that means the device is not available at that point |
| 09:27.50 | Tinky1901 | jm_:ahh i c. |
| 09:28.41 | Tinky1901 | i get this now http://rafb.net/paste/results/ASaFfi13.html |
| 09:28.46 | litage | jm_: shall i enable bootlogd? |
| 09:28.57 | jm_ | Tinky1901: run it with --recheck |
| 09:29.01 | jm_ | litage: up to you really |
| 09:29.16 | jm_ | and probably --no-floppy too |
| 09:29.23 | litage | Tinky1901: what about ``grub-install hd1''? |
| 09:29.26 | Tinky1901 | jm_: same thing |
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| 09:30.04 | Tinky1901 | jm_: same thing with no-floppy |
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| 09:30.09 | Tinky1901 | litage: same thing for hd1 |
| 09:30.33 | litage | jm_: after booting, ``swapon -s'' lists /dev/md5, so it must be succeeding during the boot process, otherwise nothing would be listed |
| 09:30.47 | litage | Tinky1901: 'fraid i've never encountered that error before |
| 09:31.01 | _NiC | I was gonna try change /boot/grub/grub.conf, but I found out it doesn't exist! Can I ask grub to create it with the current config somehow? |
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| 09:31.25 | jm_ | Tinky1901: try removing device.map by hand and re-run it |
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| 09:31.34 | jm_ | _NiC: menu.lst |
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| 09:32.35 | jm_ | litage: right, it probably means you should ignore the error - perhaps it tries to activate it too soon and then it's attempted one more time later on, maybe you could find it out with bootlogd enabled, but I guess it's nothing to worry about (worth checking BTS too) |
| 09:33.04 | _NiC | jm_: do I need to run anything to save the changes (like running lilo after changing lilo.conf)? |
| 09:33.09 | jm_ | _NiC: no |
| 09:33.16 | _NiC | ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:34.46 | Tinky1901 | jm_: same output |
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| 09:35.28 | Tinky1901 | jm_ and litage thanks for your help |
| 09:35.30 | Tinky1901 | gotta go |
| 09:35.33 | litage | Tinky1901: np |
| 09:35.39 | jm_ | Tinky1901: then use its real device name for installation |
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| 09:35.43 | wouterrr | hello, |
| 09:35.50 | wouterrr | creating a php5 package for stable, is that harD? |
| 09:35.52 | DrunkenNoob | how do I get KDE headers installed? Which package contains the KDE headers? |
| 09:36.10 | wouterrr | i have some knowledge in creating debian packages by the debian maintainers guide |
| 09:36.25 | litage | jm_: nice. bootlogd shows that the "Activating swap. swapon: /dev/md5: Invalid argument" occurs before anything RAID-related |
| 09:37.10 | jm_ | litage: right |
| 09:37.38 | jm_ | $beers_owned{"litage"}++ |
| 09:37.39 | jm_ | ups |
| 09:38.16 | litage | jm_: you forgot the semi-colon =P |
| 09:38.43 | jm_ | litage: good point |
| 09:38.49 | litage | while (1); {$slabs_owned{'jm_'}++;} |
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| 09:39.21 | litage | jm_: where're you located? |
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| 09:39.42 | amiad | Anyone here is from Turkey? |
| 09:40.08 | bbrazil | litage: I think you've got an infinite loop there |
| 09:40.47 | litage | bbrazil: that was the point :) |
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| 09:41.20 | litage | bbrazil: jm_ deserves a bottomless beer fridge for all of the help he gives on irc |
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| 09:42.04 | jm_ | litage: Slovenia/Europe |
| 09:42.05 | bbrazil | litage: no - 'while(1)'; is an infinite loop(C). the {} bit is run once after the loop finishes |
| 09:42.18 | bbrazil | s/';/;'/ |
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| 09:42.25 | amiad | Anyone here is from Turkey? please PM me |
| 09:42.40 | litage | bbrazil: i was using perl, though didn't specify |
| 09:42.55 | litage | and yes, that first semi-colon b0rks things up |
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| 09:43.03 | bbrazil | !debian.tr |
| 09:43.04 | dpkg | i guess debian.tr is Turkey debian kullanicilari grubu ! |
| 09:43.19 | amiad | turkey? |
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| 09:44.38 | amiad | Turkey???? |
| 09:44.47 | Eclipser | ... |
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| 09:44.59 | Eclipser | !tell amiad ~about debian.tr |
| 09:45.08 | amiad | Eclipser - you are from turkey? |
| 09:45.12 | Eclipser | *sigh |
| 09:45.14 | Eclipser | NO |
| 09:45.44 | Eclipser | there's #debian.tr for turkeystuff |
| 09:45.49 | amiad | thanks |
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| 09:51.16 | Jacobo221 | is it still recommended to turn non-atapi ide cd-writers into scsi on 2.6 kernels? |
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| 09:52.13 | jm_ | Jacobo221: no |
| 09:52.23 | Jacobo221 | jm_: thanks :) |
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| 09:52.53 | jm_ | Jacobo221: and what did you mean with non-atapi? |
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| 09:54.46 | Jacobo221 | jm_: excuse me, i meant atapi ;) but nevermind that |
| 09:54.55 | torc | RAW driver (/dev/raw/rawN) (OBSOLETE) -- is this what I need to use to have /dev/rawctl and raw devices? |
| 09:54.58 | seven_six_two | did the debian mirror list change locations? |
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| 09:57.21 | Jacobo221 | i am getting "SET failed on device lo ; Operation not supported." any guesses? |
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| 09:59.37 | litage | jm_: thanks again for your help! |
| 10:00.24 | jm_ | litage: no worries |
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| 10:01.14 | liable | seven_six_two: seems to be broken atm. |
| 10:01.30 | seven_six_two | dang. so is my mirror |
| 10:01.33 | alumno | hola |
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| 10:01.50 | liable | seven_six_two: apt-setup |
| 10:02.05 | alumno | hello |
| 10:02.21 | alumno | hola |
| 10:02.23 | seven_six_two | liable, that'll list some to pick from? |
| 10:02.25 | wouterrr | anyone examples of professional webhosters using debian |
| 10:02.31 | liable | seven_six_two: yes |
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| 10:02.45 | seven_six_two | liable, thanks. I'll giv'er a shot |
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| 10:07.53 | jm_ | plbng;environment file might make more sense, but it's up to you really |
| 10:08.03 | jm_ | I never manage to type his nick correctly |
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| 10:10.24 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: man adduser |
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| 10:10.46 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> i already watched it, didn't find anything helpfull, or misunderstood it |
| 10:11.12 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> i also watche man adduser.conf |
| 10:11.17 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: If the file ... |
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| 10:15.59 | POVaddct | jm_: hmmm, /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local ... strange location a config file for a dpkg-installed package. |
| 10:16.13 | POVaddct | or is my manpage not up to date? |
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| 10:17.15 | SimonRaven | dpkg doesn't install it in /usr/local, the admin does |
| 10:17.44 | jm_ | POVaddct: it's not in the package |
| 10:18.36 | POVaddct | jm_: okay. but it is strange anyway. like if the install prefix for adduser was /usr and /usr/local at the same time |
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| 10:19.36 | jm_ | POVaddct: that's the point - /usr/local is not under Debian control, so it makes sense to choose such a location |
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| 10:26.34 | Daffy-PKF | is there any way so that a directory is only writable by the users of group "foo", but that the files and directorys created will be of the group "bar"? (something like g+s, but that will create the files and dir with another group) |
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| 10:31.46 | BusMaster | i am using sarge..for a program I downloaded and am trying to build, ./configure fails looking ofr gnome-config. where can I get it? apt-get install gnome-config does not work |
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| 10:32.28 | saloxin | BusMaster: search on packages.debian.org |
| 10:32.45 | saloxin | or install apt-file |
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| 10:34.45 | BusMaster | saloxin, ok |
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| 10:39.17 | lorien420 | It seems there's a known problem with Compaq Presario 2200 not working properly. It seems I should disable hotplug, but I have no idea how to do this with the installer or from the grub menu |
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| 10:41.37 | jm_ | lorien420: hotplug is a package |
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| 10:42.17 | irc | clear |
| 10:43.09 | lorien420 | jm_: So what you're saying is I can't... is there a way to install a different kernel from the installer? |
| 10:43.21 | jm_ | lorien420: no, I am saying you could tyr removing the package |
| 10:43.29 | lorien420 | jm_: I can't boot into the system |
| 10:43.42 | jm_ | lorien420: why not? |
| 10:43.50 | lorien420 | jm_: Because the kernel panics loading a driver |
| 10:43.53 | jm_ | or simply prevent it from starting at boot |
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| 10:44.15 | lorien420 | The "discover" service causes a kernel panic loading a module |
| 10:44.32 | jm_ | lorien420: right, boot into single user mode and if that doesn't work, boot with init= argument ("/msg dpkg I forgot root's password" for a hint, but you need to know what you're doing) |
| 10:44.58 | jm_ | discover is also a package, both have startup files in /etc/init.d and symlinks in rc?.d dirs |
| 10:45.27 | lorien420 | I know that this stuff works with a 2.6 kernel, but that doesn't seem to be installable from the get go |
| 10:45.35 | JeffGreen | anyone know a good howto for building an install CD using a homebuilt kernel? |
| 10:45.43 | lorien420 | What do I pass for single user mode? |
| 10:45.49 | jm_ | ahh so you have a problem using the installer? |
| 10:46.04 | jm_ | JeffGreen: debian-installer page has a Wiki page ... |
| 10:46.06 | lorien420 | It installs fine, but then when I boot for the first time there is a panic in discover |
| 10:46.09 | lorien420 | link me? |
| 10:46.19 | jm_ | /msg dpkg single user mode |
| 10:46.38 | JeffGreen | of course to have looked there I would need a brain :-) |
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| 10:47.00 | VivekVC | My /usr is full, i am not able to remove or purge anything. |
| 10:47.16 | VivekVC | Can some one guide me as to how to proceed. |
| 10:47.16 | lorien420 | jm_: Do they have grub info? |
| 10:47.35 | jm_ | lorien420: it's the same, pass the same option to kernel via GRUB |
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| 10:47.48 | jm_ | VivekVC: delete something to recover |
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| 10:48.08 | lorien420 | jm_: looks like the crash is actually in an audio driver |
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| 10:48.27 | jm_ | lorien420: you can also try to blacklist it - /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 10:50.07 | VivekVC | jm_: I am not even able to purge anything when i try the apt-get --purge remove scim i get the error http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/NNEisJ49.html |
| 10:50.10 | lorien420 | jm_: :: sigh :: I need to find a recovery disk or something |
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| 10:50.21 | jm_ | VivekVC: I meant with rm - you'll be able to recover from it later |
| 10:50.26 | jm_ | lorien420: no |
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| 10:51.10 | VivekVC | jm_: What do you sugggest i should remove, i think i have downloaded the sources, can you tell me how to proceed to remove the sources ? |
| 10:51.28 | qodexk | I can't seem to get PHP4 working with Apache2. I've installed `libapache2-mod-php4', and it's in the mods-available and mods-enable directories, but when I try to view a PHP page in my browser, it asks me to open it with something. Can someone please point me in the right direction? |
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| 10:52.07 | sep | qodexk, have you restarted apache after loading the module |
| 10:52.15 | qodexk | sep, Yes, I have. |
| 10:52.18 | jm_ | VivekVC: do you know what sources? |
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| 10:52.40 | jm_ | qodexk: sometimes it also helps to restart the browser |
| 10:52.42 | ghost66 | i'm unable to 'apt-get install kde' using the debian-etch cd's, is there a problem with my install? |
| 10:52.55 | qodexk | jm_, OK, I'll try that. |
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| 10:53.11 | qodexk | jm_, Unfortunately, that didn't help. |
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| 10:53.55 | VivekVC | jm_: I have downloaded the sources of all the packages i have installeed, so i think i just need to remove the sources to save a lot of space |
| 10:53.56 | qodexk | sep, jm_, Please disregard that. Ephiphany shows the page fine; Firefox does not./ |
| 10:54.09 | fatal_ | qodexk: try rerunning "a2enmod php4" and restarting apache ... seems like you're missing the parts from php4.conf in your apache config. |
| 10:54.22 | sep | qodexk, sounds like cache is tricking you |
| 10:54.29 | jm_ | qodexk: try shift+Reload |
| 10:54.46 | VivekVC | jm_: I deb-src entries for all the mirrors in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:54.47 | jm_ | VivekVC: that's downloaded to you current directory |
| 10:54.51 | qodexk | Clearing the cache solved my problem. |
| 10:55.01 | qodexk | Thanks jm_, fatal_ and sep. |
| 10:55.17 | VivekVC | jm_: when i do an apt-get where are the sources downloaded to ? |
| 10:55.20 | stew | ghost66: no, since kde is in a major transition parts of it are missing, so the kde metapackage which contains everything isn't installable, try instlling kde by its individual bits and pieces |
| 10:55.55 | ghost66 | ok stew, thks for the info.......... will go try now :) |
| 10:55.55 | stew | VivekVC: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:56.05 | jm_ | VivekVC: the dir in which you run the command (for apt-get source only) |
| 10:56.21 | stew | oh sources, nm me |
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| 10:57.33 | VivekVC | jm_: I run the apt-get as root |
| 10:57.51 | jm_ | VivekVC: that doesn't mean much |
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| 10:58.17 | VivekVC | jm_: I am getting confused |
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| 10:58.37 | Bogaurd | oh yay, i downloaded a debian iso, and the md5 doesnt match up. what should i do? |
| 10:58.42 | Bogaurd | redownload? =( |
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| 10:58.56 | saloxin | find an rsync mirro? |
| 10:59.22 | sep | Bogaurd, if your source support rsync, the rsync program can fix errors within the file |
| 10:59.55 | saloxin | http://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/rsync-mirrors |
| 11:00.17 | Bogaurd | sep & saloxin: i can get an rsync source, but is there an rsync client for windows? running windows atm |
| 11:00.41 | jm_ | sure |
| 11:00.44 | Guerin | if you'd used bittorrent to get the cd image, it'd have been fixed by the program |
| 11:00.55 | sep | Bogaurd, yes google for cwrsync |
| 11:01.09 | jm_ | maybe he can still use bittorrent just to fix it |
| 11:01.31 | Bogaurd | hmm. |
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| 11:02.37 | Guerin | jm_: that should work, yeah |
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| 11:06.25 | lorien420 | jm_: Thanks for your help. I'm trying a linux26 install. |
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| 11:06.55 | ChrisW_ | anyone got any tips for debugging syntax errors in shell scripts? |
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| 11:07.46 | ChrisW | getting a "synax error near unexpected token `;;' |
| 11:07.49 | ChrisW | any ideas? |
| 11:08.18 | jm_ | ChrisW: sh -x |
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| 11:08.21 | Corin_777 | does anyone know how i can set a limit to the size of a certain folder? i.e. a quota.... ? |
| 11:08.38 | Cope | ~tell Corin_777 about anyone |
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| 11:08.56 | Corin_777 | useful cope |
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| 11:09.06 | blondie | I don't think quotas work like that |
| 11:09.11 | Corin_777 | no? |
| 11:09.21 | Corin_777 | well, is it possible to set a size limit to a folder? |
| 11:09.22 | fatal_ | Corin_777: you can set group and user quotas.... that's described in the quota howto. |
| 11:09.32 | Corin_777 | where is the quota howto? |
| 11:09.36 | fatal_ | tldp.org |
| 11:09.41 | Corin_777 | and can i assign a limit to one folder? |
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| 11:10.05 | ignotus | hello, I need a source code beautifier that can beatify assembly code |
| 11:10.11 | ignotus | beautify* |
| 11:10.13 | Corin_777 | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html ? |
| 11:10.25 | Corin_777 | and can i limit the size of ONE folder, regardless of user? |
| 11:10.35 | blondie | don't think so |
| 11:10.41 | blondie | s/folder/directory/ |
| 11:10.47 | Corin_777 | ? |
| 11:10.49 | petemc | ignotus: interesting typo all the same :) |
| 11:10.57 | blondie | they're called directories not folders :p |
| 11:11.03 | Corin_777 | ok |
| 11:11.06 | Corin_777 | but anyway... |
| 11:11.07 | Turms | it is 10 day i cannot ugrade sid, i get this: slib conflicts with guile-1.6-slib <= 1.6.7-1.1 , but this is the one available |
| 11:11.12 | pok | anybody know how i can enable auto-complete on previous commands? |
| 11:11.28 | Corin_777 | can i set a limit to /var/www/folder/ to say 100mb, 500mb, 4gb, whatever? |
| 11:11.30 | _NiC | pok: try ctrl-r |
| 11:11.33 | blondie | Corin_777: quotas work based on file ownership |
| 11:11.41 | Corin_777 | ok |
| 11:11.43 | petemc | ^r twice |
| 11:11.44 | blondie | per filesystem |
| 11:11.53 | Corin_777 | so i cant just change the directory properties? |
| 11:11.56 | blondie | no |
| 11:12.00 | Corin_777 | ok |
| 11:12.10 | Corin_777 | and will that quota howto (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html) work for ubuntu? |
| 11:12.11 | bbrazil | Corin_777: use a group quota and the SGID bit |
| 11:12.17 | Corin_777 | a what? |
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| 11:12.37 | fatal_ | Corin_777: I'm kind of skeptical that you'll listen this time but I'll try anyway... you can set *user* or *group* quotas... if you don't want to set the quota for a particular user, then you use group quotas... make the folder owned by the group and use the set group bit so any new files inherit the group. |
| 11:12.41 | lars | exit |
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| 11:12.47 | pok | _NiC: thanks, but isn't it possible to configure it so that when you press say page-up that it automatically cycles through all the previous commands that were executed that matches the first portion of the command that you are currently entering? |
| 11:12.51 | blondie | Corin_777: oh, did you mean to ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 11:12.55 | possie | how can i turn on XVideo extensions for X in debian ? |
| 11:13.03 | technos | use a loop device. mount a filesystem as big as the limit you want |
| 11:13.04 | _NiC | I'm stuck at making a sarge netinstall-cd with a custom image, is there not any complete howto on this issue? |
| 11:13.13 | Corin_777 | blondie, i also asked in ubuntu, but people in debian are more helpful, and ubuntu is based on debian |
| 11:13.15 | saloxin | pok: ctrl+r in bash - reverse-i-search |
| 11:13.21 | _NiC | pok: not that I know |
| 11:13.24 | fatal_ | Corin_777: another option is to mount a partition in the folder... |
| 11:13.26 | antgel | !based on debian |
| 11:13.26 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 11:13.30 | Corin_777 | fatal_, the folder is alread owned by one user, so i can set a quota for that user, how? |
| 11:13.31 | pok | saloxin: yes, i know. asking for another method |
| 11:13.40 | Corin_777 | fatal_, what? |
| 11:13.40 | blondie | Corin_777: well I expect it will work in ubuntu, but see the above |
| 11:13.44 | Corin_777 | ok |
| 11:13.54 | fatal_ | Corin_777: the quota howto contains everything you need to know about quotas... |
| 11:14.00 | fatal_ | Corin_777: what what? |
| 11:14.09 | Corin_777 | mounting a partition.... |
| 11:14.09 | Corin_777 | ? |
| 11:14.16 | fatal_ | yes, use the mount command. |
| 11:14.33 | pok | _NiC: ok, works like that in gentoo, might be a simple setting. thanks |
| 11:14.34 | fatal_ | a partition has a limited size.... |
| 11:14.58 | Corin_777 | im newish to linux... |
| 11:15.02 | Corin_777 | how would i do that? |
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| 11:17.00 | fatal_ | Corin_777: create a partition, create a filesystem on the partition, use the mount command to mount (mount /dev/foo /directory), /directory can now hold the size of files up to the partition size. |
| 11:17.09 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 11:17.23 | lgd_ | is there a news in world of tecnology? |
| 11:17.23 | Corin_777 | fatal_, i understand what to do... i have NO idea how to do ANY of it.... |
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| 11:18.08 | fatal_ | I don't want to help someone mess with their partitions... to big chance of fucking something up if you don't know what you are doing. |
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| 11:20.08 | duplex | Anyone who uses e dr17 know where they're keeping those true transparency modules? |
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| 11:25.10 | gh0st- | morning |
| 11:25.18 | Althaser | morning |
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| 11:25.26 | gh0st- | look alive, the sun's coming up |
| 11:25.45 | gh0st- | :) |
| 11:25.48 | gh0st- | duplex; vampire. |
| 11:26.25 | duplex | I still can't get over how cool animated backgrounds are. |
| 11:26.41 | gh0st- | definetly spices up your life |
| 11:26.47 | gh0st- | but it throws me for doing work :( |
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| 11:26.54 | gh0st- | anyone used libacl here? |
| 11:26.58 | duplex | Yeah, get distracted by all the pretty colors. |
| 11:27.04 | gh0st- | running into an issue and wondering if its restricted to 'woody' |
| 11:27.14 | duplex | libad? |
| 11:27.22 | gh0st- | apt-cache show libacl1 |
| 11:27.39 | duplex | oh liba c l, sorry. |
| 11:27.51 | gh0st- | getting Function not implemented on a woody box, but works OK on two sarge boxes |
| 11:28.07 | gh0st- | while using acl_get_file() |
| 11:28.24 | gh0st- | hm |
| 11:28.27 | jm_ | Sarge has newer version of the library |
| 11:28.37 | gh0st- | wonder if posix ACLs are supported in woody's default kernel |
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| 11:28.49 | gh0st- | jm_; that's one thing im thinking of... wondering if I can get permission to upgrade this box |
| 11:28.58 | o0x0o | hi people, just a small question, first time i use make-kpkg kernel-image on a freshly untarred kernel-source, it works fine, but as a modify an option in the .config, and run make-kpkg kernel-image for the second time, make goes very fast, does not compile everything, and i end up with the same .deb as previous, why? |
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| 11:29.00 | gh0st- | its being replaced in 2 weeks, but would be handy to figure it out instead of going bare metal |
| 11:29.07 | jm_ | gh0st-: another option might be the kernel |
| 11:30.06 | gh0st- | mm |
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| 11:30.14 | gh0st- | anyone got a 'woody' kernel configuration lying around? |
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| 11:30.16 | ziom | hi |
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| 11:30.31 | ziom | can someone tell me the direct url for apt unstable? |
| 11:30.38 | jm_ | gh0st-: ls /boot |
| 11:30.47 | ziom | (i dont have browser and dont have apt :( ) |
| 11:30.53 | ziom | but i do have x-chat;) |
| 11:31.09 | azeem | ziom: there is no direct URL per se |
| 11:31.13 | duplex | ziom: I can paste you my sources.list in pm, one second. |
| 11:31.26 | ziom | on packages.debian.org |
| 11:31.27 | gh0st- | the only debian box I have access to right now is one on testing/unstable |
| 11:31.36 | ziom | is the file |
| 11:31.39 | gh0st- | hmm |
| 11:31.42 | azeem | which file? |
| 11:31.46 | ziom | apt |
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| 11:31.48 | ziom | ;) |
| 11:31.53 | azeem | you mean the apt .deb? |
| 11:31.55 | ziom | for unstable |
| 11:32.00 | ziom | yepp;) |
| 11:32.08 | ziom | i need it desperetly:) |
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| 11:32.38 | duplex | oh... you want a sources.list or the url directly to the apt.deb so you can install apt? |
| 11:32.46 | ziom | the apt.deb |
| 11:32.55 | ziom | ;) |
| 11:32.57 | jm_ | sounds like someone who should not get anywhere near Debian sid |
| 11:33.06 | ziom | no |
| 11:33.13 | gh0st- | heh |
| 11:33.18 | ziom | jm_ its a prob with ff rc2 |
| 11:33.25 | ziom | i straced the libs it wanted |
| 11:33.31 | gh0st- | ff rc2? |
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| 11:33.42 | ziom | firefox release candidate 2 |
| 11:33.46 | jm_ | ziom: lynx to the rescue? |
| 11:33.51 | ziom | it didnt want fire up |
| 11:33.57 | gh0st- | telnet to the rescue |
| 11:34.13 | gh0st- | netcat, a pipe and a echo command |
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| 11:35.11 | gh0st- | jm_; thanks for the input, might see if I can chase that up |
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| 11:36.10 | Bogaurd | okay, the iso is fixed, thanks guys :D |
| 11:36.10 | ziom | ok i can log on debian.org via telnet but how do i find a file? |
| 11:36.20 | duplex | ziom: Do you have wget? |
| 11:36.22 | azeem | ziom: there are various other browsers. packages.d.o works with lynx, w3m and links as well |
| 11:36.34 | azeem | ziom: rather use ftp. |
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| 11:36.39 | Router_hh | i instaled java by the sun way, but firefox is still need to java plug-ins, any suggest |
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| 11:36.47 | jm_ | Router_hh: use java-package |
| 11:36.50 | azeem | ziom: the apt .deb is located at ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/ |
| 11:37.06 | ziom | azeem, i own you one;) |
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| 11:38.09 | Router_hh | thanks |
| 11:38.10 | ziom | youst a httm2txt and i do know what to get ^^ |
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| 11:40.42 | flamethrower | Gah, damnit. |
| 11:40.43 | Eclipser | :p |
| 11:40.47 | flamethrower | How do I configure wine? |
| 11:40.48 | plbgnr | does anybody use irssi? ...is here history? |
| 11:40.57 | jm_ | plbgnr: yes, it has history |
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| 11:41.18 | o0x0o | Router_hh, ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/local/jre1.5.0_05/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 11:41.23 | iuse | ppl how do you guys install mplayer ? |
| 11:41.25 | plbgnr | jm_: how shall I use it? |
| 11:41.34 | jm_ | plbgnr: cursor up/down, like in shell? |
| 11:42.07 | o0x0o | Router_hh, or just create the symlink |
| 11:42.08 | plbgnr | jm_:thx but I meant history of incoming messages |
| 11:42.29 | ziom | ok problem is not solved i need a /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 11:42.37 | jm_ | plbgnr: ohh /lastlog and it also has some kind of raw log |
| 11:42.41 | ziom | what should i get to have it? |
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| 11:44.14 | plbgnr | jm_: ...ups :) ok and can I 'grep' it? |
| 11:44.24 | jm_ | plbgnr: yas, /help lastlog |
| 11:45.19 | plbgnr | jm_:ok thanks |
| 11:46.19 | o0x0o | someone can help me with make-kpkg ??? |
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| 11:47.00 | plbgnr | jm_: ...hm I don't get response to command /help lastlog |
| 11:47.19 | jm_ | plbgnr: it might be in another window, try #irssi |
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| 11:47.45 | liable | or status. |
| 11:47.51 | ziom | what is wrong when i do not have a /etc/apt/apt.conf but just reinstalled apt? |
| 11:47.53 | flamethrower | Is anyone here good with wine? |
| 11:48.21 | liable | ziom: you have deleted it before you re-installed apt? |
| 11:48.28 | ziom | yepp |
| 11:48.40 | liable | ziom: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:48.49 | blondie | there's no such thing as apt.conf |
| 11:48.56 | ziom | o i see apt-dpkg-ref i forgot |
| 11:49.11 | o0x0o | ziom, try apt-setup this will create a basic sources.list |
| 11:49.29 | plbgnr | jm_: do you mean /join #irssi ?? but it doesn't help |
| 11:49.29 | ziom | i do have sources |
| 11:49.37 | jm_ | plbgnr: yes |
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| 11:50.02 | ziom | but i do the following: strce apt-get install synaptic 2>&1 | grep "No such file" |
| 11:50.09 | jm_ | blondie: actually there is, it even has a man page |
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| 11:50.17 | ziom | and i get: stat64("/etc/apt/apt.conf", 0xbff9d9fc) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 11:50.22 | ziom | and some more |
| 11:50.30 | blondie | why don't any of my debian boxes have one then? |
| 11:50.32 | jm_ | ziom: it works fine without that file |
| 11:50.37 | jm_ | it's not there by default ... |
| 11:50.41 | jm_ | it doesn't need it |
| 11:50.44 | ziom | ok |
| 11:50.45 | liable | plbgnr: type /help, then change windows with crtl+n/p to change windows untill you find it. |
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| 11:51.21 | kadiR | seLam kanaL |
| 11:51.25 | kadiR | tüRk varmI ? |
| 11:51.56 | ziom | jm_ do i need /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 11:52.00 | plbgnr | liable:thanks :) |
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| 11:52.11 | jm_ | ziom: no |
| 11:52.16 | turkiye | :) |
| 11:52.18 | ziom | hmm ok |
| 11:52.31 | ziom | and /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ? |
| 11:52.36 | turkiye | seLam |
| 11:52.46 | jm_ | yes, apt-get update creates that AFAIK |
| 11:53.11 | PitchForkLinux | hey all. I have a server setup question. Setting up a server for dns on local private network. It will be behind a gateway. ISP provides DNS for external. When setting up the server during install it asks for IP GAteway and DNS. I'm ok with IP and gateway. currently assigning private ip's for them. What do I put in the dns entry if this server is going to be the private net dns server? |
| 11:53.22 | turkiye | seLam kanaL |
| 11:53.24 | Cope | is it possible to create a raw device 'inside' a partition? ie in my /home partition, maybe use dd to create a 100M file, which I then bind using raw? Or must I have a fresh partition for such an operation? |
| 11:53.28 | turkiye | turkCe biLen varmI |
| 11:53.29 | ziom | hmm i do apt-get -f install |
| 11:53.29 | turkiye | ? |
| 11:53.31 | ziom | and get: |
| 11:53.36 | antgel | PitchForkLinux: localhost |
| 11:53.39 | ziom | mozilla-firefox-locale-pl-pl |
| 11:53.39 | ziom | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 11:53.50 | jm_ | it also told you what failed |
| 11:54.12 | black_Nightmare | are ZV display pcmcia cards supported in debian anyhow? |
| 11:54.24 | PitchForkLinux | <antgel> so is that 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:55.36 | o0x0o | PitchForkLinux, specify your provider dns in the "forwarders" directive of your named.conf |
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| 11:56.21 | o0x0o | PitchForkLinux, so your bind daemon will use provider dns if it can't resolve itself |
| 11:56.44 | PitchForkLinux | ok. I'll do that but dumb question here... why wouldn't the forwarder be the gateway ip? |
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| 11:56.56 | ziom | where apt stores the text which files to remove? |
| 11:57.04 | ziom | apt.conf.d? |
| 11:57.57 | ziom | i just try a update |
| 11:58.06 | ziom | it always helps |
| 11:58.17 | PitchForkLinux | I'm asking that because it is nat'ed to my ip from service provider and also points to the providers dns |
| 11:58.26 | duplex | Has anyone ever used composite X on debian? |
| 11:58.50 | black_Nightmare | hm guess not....guess I'll just do without video for some time anyhow |
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| 11:59.34 | o0x0o | PitchForkLinux, dns has noting to do with gateway ip and routing... |
| 11:59.58 | PitchForkLinux | ok. I'll try it and be back in a while |
| 12:00.05 | PitchForkLinux | thank you |
| 12:00.40 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, what's "ZV" ? |
| 12:01.22 | black_Nightmare | o0x0o not much into laptops are you I'm guessing? well ZV is short to Zoom Video anyhow |
| 12:01.31 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, if your hardware, is linux supported, of course it's supported by debian... |
| 12:01.59 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, what's the model of your card? |
| 12:02.00 | black_Nightmare | thats what I dunno about |
| 12:02.07 | black_Nightmare | there's barely much info on these damned cards |
| 12:02.19 | black_Nightmare | you know what Zoom Video is or no? |
| 12:02.23 | ziom | lspci |
| 12:02.40 | blondie | ism |
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| 12:02.58 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, zoom video? not exactly, but as i'm french perhaps we use another name for it |
| 12:03.07 | flamethrower | What do I use on .tar.bz2 files? |
| 12:03.26 | antgel | flamethrower: tar xvjf |
| 12:03.30 | o0x0o | flamethrower, tar -xjf |
| 12:03.32 | ziom | tar -xvvjf |
| 12:03.41 | antgel | *grin* |
| 12:03.42 | ziom | ;) |
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| 12:04.04 | flamethrower | Thx |
| 12:04.25 | ziom | and dwelling on the topic: |
| 12:04.44 | black_Nightmare | o0x0o .. well ZV is where its a video-in feed and generally in a laptop design this goes ratherly directly to the graphic gpu to be displayed on screen...skipping the multiply buses that would have otherwise slowed down a normal pci-based video feed card |
| 12:04.51 | ziom | do i compres with tar -cf * > my.tar.bz2? |
| 12:05.00 | black_Nightmare | but these also can be reused like a standard video-in card to the os if the user needs it too |
| 12:05.13 | ziom | becasue i always do with a > |
| 12:05.24 | ziom | and it seems to work |
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| 12:05.50 | o0x0o | ok black_Nightmare, i know what you mean, so what's your hardware? brand? model? |
| 12:06.11 | black_Nightmare | dunno...haven't found any sale source yet |
| 12:06.55 | black_Nightmare | was wondering if linux supports them or I should stop bother looking |
| 12:06.55 | ziom | my worst Nightmare came true: i have a unremoveable package called: mozilla-firefox-locale-pl-pl .. ok its gone but apt still thinks its there |
| 12:06.55 | ziom | i dpkg -r`ed it |
| 12:06.57 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, sure linux support this kind of hardware, see project ivtv |
| 12:07.06 | jm_ | it tells you what is wrong with it, so fix it |
| 12:07.21 | ziom | jm_ i do apt-get -f install |
| 12:07.29 | jm_ | ziom: that will hardly fix anything |
| 12:07.38 | ziom | so what? |
| 12:07.48 | black_Nightmare | hmm thanks a lot o0x0o |
| 12:07.49 | jm_ | it tells you exactly where the problem is, so fix that |
| 12:08.06 | black_Nightmare | would be interesting to have internal (well in the pcmcia slot anyhow) video-in on this wish laptop :-D |
| 12:08.16 | black_Nightmare | o0x0o do you know a bit about acer laptops? |
| 12:08.19 | ziom | it just says: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:08.34 | jm_ | no it doesn't say just that, it says more, including the script that failed |
| 12:08.48 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, ivtv supports a wide variety of video acquisition hw, including firewire and usb adapters |
| 12:09.07 | ziom | jm_ ok it says also: /var/lib/mozilla-firefox/chrome/overlayinfo': No such file or direcorty |
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| 12:09.25 | black_Nightmare | well o0x0o I'm generally liking to stay away from usb for good unless its only for small media such as a CF stick |
| 12:09.29 | ziom | should i make that directory? |
| 12:09.32 | black_Nightmare | I mean....all these useless cpu overheads :p |
| 12:10.09 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, fw adapters could be nice... |
| 12:10.28 | jm_ | ziom: paste everything on some paste site |
| 12:10.45 | ziom | lol |
| 12:10.54 | ziom | jm_ with what broser ^^ |
| 12:11.27 | o0x0o | someone can help me on make-kpkg kernel-image? why does it work first time and not second time? |
| 12:11.31 | jm_ | ziom: lynx |
| 12:11.51 | black_Nightmare | o0x0o...lexmark sells FW CF readers ... but I'm a bit short on actual spending money for time being now (trying to shop for the holidays so dunno if I wanted to do any other purchases for now heh) |
| 12:12.12 | ziom | jm_ wait i install it |
| 12:12.15 | jm_ | ziom: creating that dir will probably not help much, because it should contain other files |
| 12:12.21 | o0x0o | black_Nightmare, you don't have any fw built in your laptop?? |
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| 12:12.44 | black_Nightmare | read again..I said "FW CF readers" << read the last word :p |
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| 12:14.43 | bibe | o0x0o : what kind of error does 'make-kpkg lernel_image' return the second time you use it? do you 'make-kpkg clean' before launching it again? |
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| 12:16.22 | o0x0o | bibe, in fact, on freshly untarred kernel-source, make-kpkg kernel-image works, but since i modify some options in the .config file, and run a second make-kpkg kernel-image, make goes very fast, and i end up with the same . deb as previous |
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| 12:18.18 | bibe | o0x0o : well, .config should _never_ be modified by hand. And if you recompile a previously compiled kernel, unchanged source files don't get compiled. Are you sure you end up with the _same_ file? does it change its size? |
| 12:18.54 | o0x0o | of course i change it with make menuconfig bibe |
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| 12:19.29 | bibe | o0x0o : just to be sure... ;) |
| 12:19.45 | o0x0o | bibe, suppose i change some options and modularize some features that i previously compiled in |
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| 12:20.12 | o0x0o | bibe, i end up with a kernel that does not include these modules |
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| 12:20.46 | o0x0o | bibe, should i do a make-kpkg clean before? won't it wipe my .config? |
| 12:20.50 | SimonRaven | anyone got some idea on how i can change the ctime on a file? |
| 12:21.20 | SimonRaven | touch will only modify atime or mtime |
| 12:21.44 | bibe | o0x0o : I think the correct way to do that is using 'make-kpkg clean' (no, it doesn't wipe out your .config). Probably the files containing modules to be built don't change at all (so you end up without those modules) |
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| 12:22.41 | o0x0o | bibe, i'll try this soon |
| 12:22.43 | o0x0o | thx |
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| 12:22.57 | bibe | SimonRaven : try 'cp file foo; rm file; cp foo file; rm foo' |
| 12:23.03 | bibe | o0x0o : np |
| 12:23.49 | duplex | I just migrated from xfree86 to xorg, and now xorg isn't recognizing my keyboard. Is there a configure script for the xorg server like there is for xfree86? I getting this error message when I startx (EE) Failed to load module "Keyboard" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 12:23.51 | SimonRaven | no, i want to change it to an arbitrary value. should have said that before :) |
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| 12:24.13 | SimonRaven | chmod would do it but it would just update it |
| 12:24.20 | sep | duplex, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:24.34 | duplex | sep: Thank you, I will try that. |
| 12:24.48 | SimonRaven | ls -lc reads it |
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| 12:25.08 | ziom | jm_: http://pastebin.com/431545 (its partial polish because so is my debian but i made comments " //" for you |
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| 12:25.40 | SimonRaven | ziom: hint: LANG=C some_command --options |
| 12:25.49 | jm_ | ziom: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-pl-pl.postrm and fix it |
| 12:25.59 | bibe | SimonRaven : sorry, I didn't get it. then try 'cp file foo; rm file; touch -d<whatever> file; cp foo file; rm foo' |
| 12:26.33 | ziom | ok |
| 12:26.54 | ziom | jm_ how to fix it ^^? |
| 12:27.12 | jm_ | ziom: with an editor? |
| 12:27.34 | ziom | jm_ what to write i mean |
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| 12:27.47 | ziom | it needs a update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found |
| 12:28.15 | jm_ | ziom: make it so that if update-mozilla-firefox-chrome command fails the script doesn't exit with an error |
| 12:28.25 | ziom | should i make function update-mozilla-firefox-chrom{echo "hello world?"} |
| 12:28.47 | jm_ | that's one option too |
| 12:28.51 | SimonRaven | nope |
| 12:28.54 | ziom | ?] |
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| 12:29.31 | SimonRaven | bibe: no dice |
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| 12:30.05 | ziom | lol i just renmed the file ^^ |
| 12:30.08 | ziom | :) |
| 12:30.17 | Tinky1901 | litage: and jm_ got my linux to boot, sort of |
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| 12:33.10 | bibe | SimonRaven : did you check file's ctime before copying foo over it? |
| 12:33.37 | SimonRaven | yes, but that's not the one i wanted ;) |
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| 12:34.08 | SimonRaven | the ctimes i want are all in the past... |
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| 12:35.20 | jm_ | SimonRaven: don't think that's doable - I don't know of a kernel interface to achieve it, other than perhaps debugfs |
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| 12:37.47 | bibe | SimonRaven : and 'touch -d 20000101 file' doesn't set ctime in the past? |
| 12:38.02 | SimonRaven | touch doesn't modify ctime |
| 12:38.33 | bibe | SimonRaven : so ctime is set by the kernel? |
| 12:38.50 | SimonRaven | it's set in the inode |
| 12:39.02 | SimonRaven | !ctime |
| 12:39.02 | dpkg | Unix does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. |
| 12:39.43 | bibe | ok, I didn't know it :-S |
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| 12:40.10 | SimonRaven | i'd have to set the date, *then* do that cp mv thing |
| 12:40.23 | jm_ | probably yes |
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| 12:40.34 | ziom | ok all thx for the help and check out firefox1.5 deer park:) |
| 12:40.38 | ziom | bye |
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| 12:43.02 | Jacobo221 | does debain by default automatically set hdparm to tweak all hard disks and cdroms as best as possible? |
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| 12:43.47 | SimonRaven | no |
| 12:43.49 | imex | i had installed Alien and what do i do with a rpm package? |
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| 12:44.25 | bibe | imex : 'man alien', then probably 'alien <package>.rpm' |
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| 12:44.48 | Jacobo221 | SimonRaven: and is there any app that can help me with that task? I'm qute lost. i hoped discover or something would do that pretty well for me :) |
| 12:44.54 | bibe | imex : alien creates a .deb from a .rpm, then you install the .deb with dpkg |
| 12:45.05 | imex | cool |
| 12:45.15 | imex | bibe: you alwys helped |
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| 12:45.28 | imex | I finally reinstall the box again last night |
| 12:45.53 | imex | and now almost the way i wanted it |
| 12:46.07 | imex | the only thing is grub is installed onto the mbr |
| 12:46.31 | bibe | imex : where do you want to install it? |
| 12:46.34 | imex | any way to install grub onto my dos partition? |
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| 12:47.07 | xfan | imex : yes, formating xD |
| 12:47.08 | jm_ | Jacobo221: it's up to kernel which usually sets useful values |
| 12:47.11 | peq | is there a way to figure out how many DIMM sockets my mainboard has without opening it up (or at least how many are used?)? |
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| 12:47.27 | bibe | imex : and then, how can you boot linux? |
| 12:47.27 | jm_ | imex: sure, do it by hand |
| 12:48.04 | jm_ | imex: or look at GRUB for DOS project |
| 12:48.18 | imex | .bibe: well my problem is this, I want to image the drive |
| 12:48.29 | imex | so i do not have to reinstall |
| 12:48.39 | Jacobo221 | jm_: but this hard disk is still very slow... ;) |
| 12:48.47 | bibe | imex : did you use partimage? |
| 12:48.49 | SimonRaven | Jacobo221: hdparm -I then enabling what the drive is capable of, and not exceeding its parameters |
| 12:48.54 | jm_ | Jacobo221: do you have driver for your chipset loaded? |
| 12:49.14 | imex | i had download it and havent tried honestly, but |
| 12:49.18 | Jacobo221 | SimonRaven: i see, thanks |
| 12:49.21 | SimonRaven | usually it's enough to enable dma if it isn't already |
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| 12:49.30 | Jacobo221 | jm_: what do you mean? |
| 12:49.36 | jm_ | Jacobo221: I mean what I said |
| 12:49.38 | huggis | can someone help me i can't download anything whit apt-get or wget |
| 12:49.40 | SimonRaven | (usually is nowadays) |
| 12:49.53 | imex | bibe: this drive have no more space to image and yet need to use the network space on one of my other box |
| 12:50.11 | Jacobo221 | jm_: actually i don't know. i'll check that |
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| 12:50.16 | bibe | imex : you can use partimage client/server features |
| 12:50.23 | idealbsd | huggis, can you surf? |
| 12:50.31 | huggis | yes |
| 12:51.08 | idealbsd | huggis, problem with sources.list? or need proxy? |
| 12:51.14 | imex | bibe: understood, but server side would be Windoze 2k |
| 12:51.22 | imex | bibe: havent read to that part yety |
| 12:52.02 | huggis | i think it is source.list |
| 12:52.18 | huggis | i don't use proxy |
| 12:52.22 | bibe | imex : if you have enough FAT32 space on w2k machine, you can use two systemrescuecd live cds and do the image backup over the LAM |
| 12:52.24 | bibe | LAN |
| 12:52.55 | imex | bibe: unfortunately the whole thing is in NTFS |
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| 12:53.56 | idealbsd | huggis, paste it to #flood? |
| 12:54.00 | Guerin | imex: still dd's up just fine |
| 12:54.12 | imex | bibe: systemrescued live cd from Debian |
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| 12:54.38 | imex | Guerin: huh dd? |
| 12:54.40 | bibe | imex : ? |
| 12:55.10 | imex | bibe: u mentioned the two systemrescued cd, where do i get them? |
| 12:55.39 | imex | Gueri: ??? |
| 12:55.42 | bibe | imex: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
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| 12:56.08 | bibe | imex : I always carry a couple of them in my laptop bag |
| 12:56.16 | imex | bibe: thanks i will read on that |
| 12:56.26 | bibe | imex : no problem |
| 12:57.15 | imex | bie: wow that must be cool, i havent decide whether i will install Linux on a laptop |
| 12:57.30 | imex | bib: anyways thanks for the tip |
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| 12:57.48 | imex | bibe: i always seem to typo on your name |
| 12:59.40 | dhonnie | hi everyone, I'm trying to install debian inside a 512mb file using debootstrap and am having trouble installing the kernel. mkinitrd fails with "cannot determine root device" |
| 13:00.30 | dhonnie | the problem is that I've mounted the file using -o loop |
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| 13:00.47 | dhonnie | and chrooted into the root dir |
| 13:00.55 | nicomen | where can I read more about apt and deb, I'm wondering how conflicts are identified and at which point |
| 13:01.30 | sep | dhonnie, man mkinitrd.conf and read the root entry |
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| 13:02.02 | faber2 | morning |
| 13:02.05 | dhonnie | there aren't any valid block devices in /dev yet |
| 13:02.24 | dhonnie | can I copy them across from the main system? |
| 13:02.35 | faber2 | after having built my custom kernel with make_kpkg, i want to install it but it says: but |
| 13:02.36 | faber2 | you have no suitable ramdisk generation tool installed among |
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| 13:03.03 | faber2 | i can build a ramdisk myself, using mkinitrd though. what am i missing here? |
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| 13:03.44 | Keen_ | hi all |
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| 13:04.19 | Keen_ | can i ask any deb. questions here ? |
| 13:04.29 | petemc | yes |
| 13:05.05 | idealbsd | nicomen, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 13:05.23 | faber2 | wow, i can build a ramdisk for 2.6.12, but not for 2.6.14... why? |
| 13:05.36 | dhonnie | sep: ah ok, I just set ROOT="" and now the kernel has been installed, thanks |
| 13:05.44 | Keen_ | ok. i come to kernel building and cannot deicide which to use ? kernels from kernel.org, from debian.org, or patch kernel to current state. |
| 13:05.52 | Keen_ | mine is 2.6.8.-2 |
| 13:06.09 | petemc | Keen_: if you want the ultimate convenience, use prepackaged kernels |
| 13:06.22 | Jacobo221 | jm_: you were right, i hadn't compiled the chipset driver :S |
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| 13:06.34 | Keen_ | so, i need an smth like image-2.6.12 ...deb ? |
| 13:07.05 | liable | faber2: use yaird for 2.6.14 kernels |
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| 13:07.54 | Keen_ | and is there reasons to upgrade ? was there serious security patches ? |
| 13:08.18 | faber2 | liable: does it use the same configs? |
| 13:08.41 | bibe | faber2 : I run a 2.6.14 kernel and my initrd image was built with mkinitrd. I simply used linux-source-2.6.14 from unstable and make-kpkg |
| 13:08.43 | faber2 | liable: can i boot 2.6.14 with a ramdisk produced with mkinitrd? |
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| 13:08.57 | vwirem | apt amd64 |
| 13:09.00 | apt | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
| 13:09.17 | liable | faber2: i havent used it myself, check the docs. |
| 13:09.17 | faber2 | bibe: my dpkg -i <customkernel.deb> fails, even with yaird installed. |
| 13:09.25 | torc | CONFIG_NR_CPUS should be double the number of real CPUs, right? |
| 13:10.00 | bibe | faber2 : I had no problems, all the procedure is documented at http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/debian/index.htm |
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| 13:10.40 | bibe | faber2 : did you build it on etch? or sid? |
| 13:10.53 | faber2 | btw: the default kernel in grub is the first in the list? |
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| 13:11.07 | vwirem | apt mplayer |
| 13:11.08 | apt | methinks mplayer is read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
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| 13:12.23 | bibe | faber2 : the default kernel in grub is listed by the "default" /boot/grub/menu.lst parameter |
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| 13:13.05 | duplex | I configured xorg again, this time for the proprietary nvidia driver, and I get this error Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 13:13.07 | faber2 | bibo: i dont find this in my menu.lst. does it need a number or the title string als parameter? |
| 13:13.13 | bibe | faber2 : 'default 0' boots by default the first kernel available in the rest of menu.lst |
| 13:14.00 | bibe | faber2 : did you wipe out your original menu.lst? |
| 13:14.02 | duplex | I get a lot more just like it, except .pcf.Z .pcf.gz instead of the .pcf... apparently there's some kind of conflict with all the font renderers, any idea how to fix this problem? |
| 13:14.14 | faber2 | bibe: not sure... no i dont remember |
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| 13:14.22 | jm_ | duplex: ignore that error |
| 13:14.34 | duplex | jm_: I can't. X isn't starting up =( |
| 13:14.39 | jm_ | duplex: not because of that |
| 13:14.39 | faber2 | bibe: ah i found it ... may be i need some coffee |
| 13:14.57 | duplex | jm_: Oh okay. |
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| 13:15.50 | bibe | faber2 : you can 'mv /boot/grub/menu.lst ~; update-grub' to get a fresh file |
| 13:16.30 | libertine_ | who can tell me some good mail-list for debian |
| 13:16.33 | faber2 | bibe: ok |
| 13:17.02 | faber2 | bibe: how do i see what CPUs I have to compile my kernel for? |
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| 13:18.20 | bibe | faber2 : cat /proc/cpuinfo should help |
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| 13:18.54 | Brian_L | Im having trouble getting sound to work on my debain system. |
| 13:19.01 | duplex | The only error message I'm getting (other than what _jm told me to ignore) is Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 13:19.05 | duplex | For xorg. |
| 13:19.11 | faber2 | bibe: ok it says intel xeon 3.2, in the kernel options i find the p4 xeon and a p3 xeon. which one is right? |
| 13:19.12 | bibe | faber2 : remember that every non-smp kernel always shows one single CPU. If you have multiple CPUs, or an HT processor, you should use a -smp kernel |
| 13:19.44 | faber2 | bibe: this is what my missin is about. the box is on 2.4.27, needs 2.6-smp |
| 13:20.16 | jm_ | duplex: no, there must be more |
| 13:20.27 | bibe | faber2 : both should work fine, but use p4 xeon |
| 13:21.03 | duplex | jm_: I'll go back through a look. |
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| 13:21.34 | bibe | faber2 : before compiling your own kernel, try kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 13:21.50 | faber2 | bibe: there is 2 xeon cpus. last time i cared, the >1 cpu xeon system where all based on pentium-III ? |
| 13:22.10 | faber2 | bibe: the stock kernel fucks up the ramdisk, so i need a second option |
| 13:22.11 | duplex | jm_: For experimentation purposes I removed glx from the config file, and it works fine now... weird. |
| 13:22.16 | duplex | jm_ Thanks. |
| 13:22.35 | duplex | Otherwise I would have been trying to figure out those error messages all day. |
| 13:22.45 | enveezee | duplex: those are not errors either one of them, so they can't possibly be the only errors you are gettings |
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| 13:23.52 | enveezee | duplex: I find it hard to believe you would even consider two lines of a 600+ line log to be errors without any good reason to believe so |
| 13:24.17 | jm_ | duplex: doesn't it mention anything about it? put logfile on some paste site |
| 13:24.17 | bibe | faber2 : I don't know, I have half a dozen dual xeon servers at my customer's facility but they are still running Gentoo (and will be soon replaced by sarge installations) |
| 13:24.33 | yangsx | I noticed since I last update to kernel 2.6.14, I have problems using my ethernet. In the syslog I found "snort: FATAL ERROR: OpenPcap() device eth0 open: ^Ibind: Network is down" |
| 13:24.39 | yangsx | anyone know the reason? |
| 13:24.48 | faber2 | bibe: thats interesting. some people here bug me about using gentoo in the future |
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| 13:25.01 | bibe | faber2 : how did the stock kernel fuck up the ramdisk? |
| 13:25.04 | enveezee | duplex: X generally tags its errors you can grep EE /var/log/X.org.log or whatever it is |
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| 13:25.25 | Keen_ | anyone used Hurd ? Is it stable enough for now ? |
| 13:25.33 | faber2 | bibe: being on 2.4 it thinks the megaraid2 driver supports the raid controller. true in 2.4 but in 2.6 the driver has changed its name |
| 13:25.51 | Brian_L | I have a problem getting sound to work on my debian system, I have no deviace nodes for /dev/sound /dev/mixer. can someone recommend the proper way to create these on debain |
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| 13:27.01 | bibe | faber2 : I can't understand why anyone should use such a rapidly-moving distro as Gentoo. I use to have a "bug of the week" prize in software updates on Gentoo |
| 13:27.24 | zms | I recentrly upgraded kernel to 2.6.14, udev (which removed hotplug) and I have /usr, /var and /home on LVM. Now while booting I get errors that indicate that /usr has not been mounted yet and the boot process is trying to use grep (which is linked with a library in /usr). As a workaround, I can boot to single-user (I still get errors though) and then issue a mount -a which mounts everything and then telinit to level 3. Any way I can make sure that /usr is mount |
| 13:27.24 | yangsx | Brian_L : I just got help yesterday on this |
| 13:27.40 | bibe | faber2 : ehm, the above was stated for production servers... |
| 13:27.45 | jm_ | zms: BTS is your friend |
| 13:28.02 | enveezee | Brian_L: there is no /dev/sound AFAIK and /dev/mixer should be present on any debian system not running devfs or udev |
| 13:28.08 | zms | jm_: Bug Tracking System? |
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| 13:28.13 | jm_ | zms: correct |
| 13:28.25 | faber2 | bibe: yeah, this is what i care about |
| 13:28.31 | zms | jm_: any links please? |
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| 13:28.52 | yangsx | you can modprobe snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss for those old applications require the specific dev files |
| 13:29.01 | bibe | !tell zms about BTS |
| 13:29.51 | Brian_L | enveezee: no /dev/mixer I guess im using devfs or udev |
| 13:29.55 | zms | bibe: okie. sorie. I should have googled for Debian BTS. |
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| 13:30.04 | enveezee | Brian_L: sound simply means transmission of vibrations, audio on the other hand is sound that is within the range we can hear. |
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| 13:30.14 | enveezee | Brian_L: the device you are looking for is probably /dev/audio |
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| 13:30.40 | bibe | faber2 : do the raid array show up on 2.6 kernels with a different device name than that on 2.4? |
| 13:30.55 | enveezee | Brian_L: well if you are using devfs you would see it in df output. and if you were using udev you would know because you would have it installed dpkg -l udev |
| 13:31.20 | bibe | zms : no problem, I am too lazy to type all the link, so I used the bot. ;) |
| 13:31.30 | yangsx | Brian_L: see my last line for you |
| 13:31.47 | enveezee | Brian_L: these are both software to manage the device nodes.. and they dont work the traditional way.. you dont create nodes, they are created on the fly as needed as I understand |
| 13:32.10 | Brian_L | ok, im used to slackware. which uses the old method |
| 13:32.18 | Brian_L | i have udev installed |
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| 13:32.25 | enveezee | Brian_L: so does debian. provided you dont install udev or devfs |
| 13:32.47 | Brian_L | can i revert or should i reinstall? |
| 13:32.49 | enveezee | Brian_L: if you are using a dev system and dont have a device, its because nothing has been loaded that uses it |
| 13:32.56 | yangsx | Help: I noticed since I last update to kernel 2.6.14, I have problems using my ethernet. In the syslog I found "snort: FATAL ERROR: OpenPcap() device eth0 open: ^Ibind: Network is down" |
| 13:32.58 | enveezee | Brian_L: you can revert by removing it. |
| 13:33.03 | Brian_L | ok thanks |
| 13:33.43 | valdyn_ | yangsx: so your network is done, that error is a level higher than having no ethernet |
| 13:33.54 | valdyn_ | s/done/down/ |
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| 13:34.14 | Brian_L | It seems to want to remove gnome |
| 13:34.16 | Brian_L | :) |
| 13:34.22 | Brian_L | i should go single user ? |
| 13:34.24 | enveezee | Brian_L: the community at large is switching gears in that area.. lots of things are depending on something like devfs or udev.. it helps make the whole hotpluggable hardware and modulized drivers work better |
| 13:34.30 | enveezee | Brian_L: gnome isnt important |
| 13:34.34 | enveezee | Brian_L: you could do without it |
| 13:34.35 | petemc | ... |
| 13:34.35 | Brian_L | nope |
| 13:34.38 | enveezee | Brian_L: yep |
| 13:34.44 | enveezee | Brian_L: gnome is an empty package |
| 13:34.53 | Brian_L | ok |
| 13:35.03 | enveezee | Brian_L: its only purpose is to pull in some 400+ other packages |
| 13:35.09 | enveezee | Brian_L: we call it a meta-package |
| 13:35.28 | Brian_L | i need to read up, im about 3 days into debain i like it alot |
| 13:35.29 | yangsx | valdyn_: I don't understand why it should be down |
| 13:36.05 | valdyn_ | yangsx: run 'ifconfig -a' to see which network interfaces you have |
| 13:36.19 | enveezee | Brian_L: you can hang out here it helps. at first you overcome a small problem, then you are able to help other people with the same problem.. and staying here and doing so not only helps others, but allows you to learn more in the process |
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| 13:36.46 | valdyn_ | yangsx: if eth0 isnt listed there, then its not only down, but non-existant till you load a driver for it |
| 13:37.00 | enveezee | Brian_L: unless you are a very effecient person, can speed read with good comprehension and take good notes, you could probably learn more here or just playing around with debian than you could studying |
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| 13:37.35 | yangsx | valdyn_: I have eth0 |
| 13:38.21 | yangsx | valdyn_: another issue is the system does not detect my eth1 device |
| 13:38.29 | Brian_L | i just got a blackdog device that inspired me to use debain |
| 13:38.36 | enveezee | I need to get a shower and go to bed. I have a business appointment this afternoon and if I dont get some sleep I will never feel like getting out of bed |
| 13:38.39 | valdyn_ | yangsx: lets fix 1 issue after the other. |
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| 13:39.06 | yangsx | valdyn_: of course. these issues occur when I update last week |
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| 13:39.28 | jm_ | zms: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:39.47 | valdyn_ | yangsx: run ethtool eth0 or mii-tool eth0 ( one of both should work at least ) |
| 13:39.50 | yangsx | not sure whether these issues also related to udev, |
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| 13:40.29 | valdyn_ | yangsx: defenitely not with udev |
| 13:40.40 | gag0ebago | huh |
| 13:40.46 | gag0ebago | where i can find Channel for i get shells |
| 13:41.02 | valdyn_ | !wayttd gag0ebago |
| 13:41.04 | yangsx | valdyn_: ok |
| 13:41.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, gag0ebago? |
| 13:41.14 | dtb | hey guys.. quick one.. im getting "configure: error: *** GDK_IMLIB >= 1.8.0 not installed - please install first ***" when trying to configure gtuner.. it tries to find gtk_imlib.h http://pastebin.com/431623 but cant.. any ideas ?? |
| 13:41.31 | gag0ebago | i want to find channel for shells bicuz i am new on this server |
| 13:41.53 | valdyn_ | gag0ebago: what would a channel for shells be about? |
| 13:42.01 | valdyn_ | gag0ebago: oysters? |
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| 13:42.10 | TaaTeeToo | i can use my usb ftdi serialport analog modem on knoppix livecd, but how i can make it work to other distributions. I get allways pppd error 10? |
| 13:42.12 | valdyn_ | harhar |
| 13:42.40 | valdyn_ | gag0ebago: i dont get what shells have to do with being new on freenode |
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| 13:42.49 | pngwn | gag0ebago, wrong network |
| 13:43.35 | libertine_ | hi |
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| 13:44.37 | gag0ebago | ok |
| 13:44.42 | gag0ebago | thank you very much |
| 13:44.43 | gag0ebago | :) |
| 13:44.49 | yangsx | valdyn_: I run ethtool eth0 and don't know what's wrong |
| 13:45.43 | valdyn_ | yangsx: and what output are you getting? |
| 13:46.27 | yangsx | Settings for eth0: |
| 13:46.27 | yangsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.27 | yangsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.28 | yangsx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:47.11 | valdyn_ | !paste |
| 13:47.12 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 13:48.04 | Keen_ | am i right, it better to recompile kernel before upgrade (patch), then otherwise ? |
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| 13:50.18 | eurisko | hi everyone , i had installed right now debian into a usb external hard drive, and run yaboot config since i am on powerpc , my problem now is when booting i get into the open firmware boot menu but the usb disk isn't show there does anyone have an idea what can i do? |
| 13:50.23 | yangsx | valdyn_: Settings for eth0: |
| 13:50.23 | yangsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.23 | yangsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.24 | yangsx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:50.40 | valdyn_ | oh so funny |
| 13:50.53 | valdyn_ | yangsx: stop pasting here |
| 13:51.02 | yangsx | valdyn_: sorry |
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| 13:51.07 | valdyn_ | !paste |
| 13:51.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 13:51.25 | valdyn_ | yangsx: these 4 lines arent useful, the line telling you if the link is up or not is |
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| 13:52.13 | yangsx | valdyn_: only one line saying: Link detected: yes |
| 13:52.56 | valdyn_ | yangsx: looks like everything is ok with your ethernet |
| 13:53.23 | valdyn_ | yangsx: but you have 2 ethernet cables plugged in i suppose? |
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| 13:53.59 | yangsx | valdyn_: I have two ethernet cards |
| 13:54.11 | valdyn_ | yangsx: that wasnt my question |
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| 13:54.22 | yangsx | now eth0 is using for ADSL |
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| 13:54.56 | yangsx | valdyn_: but before using for ADSL, I tried to use it to connect to another computer but failed |
| 13:54.58 | djp | how do i start the default text editor from the command line? |
| 13:55.19 | valdyn_ | yangsx: my question was simple: do you have 2 ethernet cables plugged into this computer? yes? no? |
| 13:55.21 | Firestarter2 | what could cause my system hd to get changed from read write to read only |
| 13:55.36 | jm_ | djp: editor foo |
| 13:55.53 | jm_ | Firestarter2: disk errors |
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| 13:56.09 | djp | jm_, thanks, but what is the default editor for debian? i am used to gedit... |
| 13:56.15 | yangsx | valdyn_: yes |
| 13:56.17 | jm_ | djp: whatever you set |
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| 13:56.41 | djp | jm_, haven't set anything, just did a default desktop install |
| 13:56.50 | Ronin | djp: try vi, vim, nano |
| 13:56.57 | jm_ | djp: man update-alternatives |
| 13:57.09 | Firestarter2 | jm_, I checked out the drive is there a way to check for bad sectors on the drive |
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| 13:57.15 | valdyn_ | yangsx: and eth1 vanished, correct? |
| 13:57.17 | djp | Ronin, thanks. vi worked |
| 13:57.29 | yangsx | valdyn_: yes |
| 13:57.30 | jm_ | Firestarter2: run dmesg first, see if it says anything about it - then man badblocks |
| 13:57.44 | valdyn_ | yangsx: do you know which hardware was behind each? |
| 13:57.57 | valdyn_ | yangsx: like chipset or driver or whatever? |
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| 13:58.57 | yangsx | valdyn_: eth0 is 8139too and eth1 is via-rhine |
| 13:59.20 | valdyn_ | yangsx: lsmod | grep rhine |
| 14:00.05 | Firestarter2 | jm_: thanks |
| 14:00.30 | valdyn_ | yangsx: also run: 'dmesg | grep eth0' |
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| 14:00.35 | yangsx | valdyn_: I modprobe via-rhine, and lsmod | grep rhine gives me via_rhine |
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| 14:01.15 | yangsx | valdyn_: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 |
| 14:01.22 | valdyn_ | yangsx: dmesg | grep eth1 |
| 14:01.39 | yangsx | valdyn_: eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 14:02.02 | yangsx | valdyn_: nothing for eth1, since eth1 is not detected upon booting |
| 14:02.30 | valdyn_ | yangsx: ok, looks like your via-rhine is now eth0, try switching cables |
| 14:02.32 | yangsx | I modprobe via-rhine, but that does not automatically create eth1 |
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| 14:03.21 | yangsx | valdyn_: no, guess not |
| 14:03.21 | valdyn_ | yangsx: after you did that , run ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 14:03.43 | Roey | hello |
| 14:03.50 | jdjs | hi everyone. |
| 14:03.52 | Roey | how do I check for package availability? |
| 14:03.52 | valdyn_ | yangsx: guess not what? |
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| 14:04.02 | yangsx | valdyn_: I cannot do that, since that means I hvae to disconnect from the net |
| 14:04.08 | Roey | I want to know if Nessus and wireless tools are available for ETch |
| 14:04.13 | valdyn_ | yangsx: so? |
| 14:04.13 | Roey | hey valdyn_ |
| 14:04.24 | jdjs | anyone here using a silicongraphics monitor ? |
| 14:04.26 | yangsx | valydn_: I think my eth0 is using 8139too |
| 14:04.38 | valdyn_ | yangsx: you SAID your net wasnt working, so its just eth1 that isnt working? |
| 14:05.09 | enveezee | I need some fucking socks :P |
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| 14:05.18 | valdyn_ | yangsx: if your eth0 is working completely, sure, but you earlier claimed the contrary |
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| 14:05.44 | yangsx | valdyn_: eth1 does not work, but I cannot use eth0 for connecting to another computer using cable if I'm not using ADSL with eth0 interface |
| 14:05.51 | abrotman | !sock enveezee |
| 14:06.07 | yangsx | valdyn_: sorry for the confusion |
| 14:06.16 | enveezee | on that note.. you know I think its fucked up the drug store in town sells these little hair scruncii's, and other hair bands, nylons, hats (for women), shoes(for women), socks (for women), shirts (for women).. etc |
| 14:06.32 | enveezee | but they dont sell much of anything for men, other than condoms |
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| 14:06.47 | abrotman | enveezee: kind of says something about your role in society ... |
| 14:06.47 | enveezee | I cant wear condoms on my feet |
| 14:06.57 | enveezee | abrotman: *sigh* |
| 14:07.10 | Guerin | enveezee: i bet you can |
| 14:07.36 | enveezee | maybe the magnum ones |
| 14:07.43 | enveezee | but they would probably rip |
| 14:08.05 | valdyn_ | yangsx: if you just want to replug cables to connect to your other box, ifdown eth0, replug, ifup eth0. That will work possibly, as long as settings for eth0 / eth1 dont differ, you could see that in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:08.53 | jm_ | yangsx: if you only have eth0 then only one driver is loaded |
| 14:09.03 | enveezee | I dont know what would be stranger.. walking around with magnum condoms on my feet, or rainbow striped socks with different colored toes |
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| 14:09.48 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 14:09.56 | takatumi | enveezee: wearing one of each. |
| 14:10.05 | enveezee | sussudio: http://www.badgerfire.com/ |
| 14:10.05 | enveezee | heh |
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| 14:10.20 | enveezee | I was reading the fire extinguisher today at work.. I thought it was pretty funny. |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | enveezee: rainbow colored condoms ? |
| 14:10.31 | valdyn_ | yangsx: to see which driver should work or whats wrong with your via-rhine i need the output of lspci | grep -i ethernet |
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| 14:11.24 | enveezee | badgers protect you from fire |
| 14:11.28 | yangsx | valdyn_: only shows eth0 hardware, that's strange |
| 14:11.29 | enveezee | thats news to me |
| 14:11.48 | yangsx | valdyn_: 0000:00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 14:11.49 | valdyn_ | yangsx: does it show unknown hardware? |
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| 14:12.16 | yangsx | jm_: I do have two hardware cards installed |
| 14:12.17 | fly_80 | where can i get the last version of Debian net-installer ( Etch ) ? is this location right ? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:12.24 | POVaddct | yangsx: maybe the via rhine is broken or disabled in bios |
| 14:12.25 | abrotman | enveezee: on that note .. http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/11/15/dowd.men.necessary/index.html |
| 14:12.49 | valdyn_ | yangsx: run update-pciids, then try lspci | grep -i ethernet again, and check complete 'lspci' for unknown hardware |
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| 14:12.59 | jm_ | yangsx: yeah I know, but you also need to have two drivers loaded successfuly (unless you can use the same driver for both cards) |
| 14:13.05 | yangsx | valdyn_: no |
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| 14:13.26 | jm_ | doesn't sound like you have two cards available, or they're not on PCI bus |
| 14:13.28 | yangsx | jm_: yeah, I can modprobe successfully |
| 14:13.29 | valdyn_ | yangsx: that via-rhine isnt an isa card, right? |
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| 14:13.53 | valdyn_ | yangsx: if its a pci card, then its not present, broken or not properly seated or disabled in your bios |
| 14:14.15 | yangsx | valdyn_: I'm not sure it's isa card or not |
| 14:14.32 | jm_ | via-rhine is PCI |
| 14:14.37 | valdyn_ | jm_: thanks |
| 14:14.53 | valdyn_ | yangsx: check if its properly in the slot |
| 14:15.04 | yangsx | valdyn_: via-rhine used to work |
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| 14:15.30 | yangsx | valdyn_: and I didn't open the box lately |
| 14:15.54 | yangsx | valdyn_: but possible |
| 14:16.14 | enveezee | abrotman: |
| 14:16.24 | valdyn_ | yangsx: lspci just reads the pci bus info, obviously your hardware knows nothing about it, so linux cant know about it |
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| 14:16.33 | enveezee | I have no clue wtf just happened there |
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| 14:16.58 | enveezee | I went to paste something to abrotman and suddenly I am on a different screen and I have a bunch of new screens open I never seen |
| 14:17.21 | enveezee | I wonder wtf my paste doesnt work anymore |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | enveezee: ascii pop ups ? |
| 14:17.30 | BluesRocker | anybody has problems with artsd? |
| 14:17.31 | valdyn_ | yangsx: however, if you boot your old kernel again, and then it shows in lspci, then you'd know that linux has a bug somewhere |
| 14:17.45 | BluesRocker | !artsd |
| 14:17.45 | enveezee | abrotman: I used to be able to paste from one pc to the next.. now I cant |
| 14:17.45 | dpkg | i heard artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 14:17.52 | enveezee | abrotman: it only reads the local clipboard now |
| 14:17.58 | abrotman | enveezee: synergy ? |
| 14:18.01 | enveezee | abrotman: yep |
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| 14:18.06 | abrotman | what a great program :) |
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| 14:18.28 | yangsx | valdyn_: jm_: thanks a lot. I'll try and see |
| 14:19.04 | enveezee | abrotman: I like the "self-actualizing sex kittens ... looking for their inner slut ... 'My Dad Thinks I'm a Virgin' ... 'You Looked Hotter Online'" |
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| 14:20.56 | abrotman | enveezee: you're the new cat in town ? |
| 14:21.10 | Xteven | hello, can anyone point me out a decent network drawing tool ? I want to be able to draw hosts, networks, ..., I want to be able to group hosts etc |
| 14:21.18 | Xteven | dia is ok for it, but dia sucks |
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| 14:21.24 | enveezee | abrotman: eh? |
| 14:21.25 | Xteven | kivio is basically the same as dia |
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| 14:21.34 | abrotman | Xteven: dia |
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| 14:21.39 | Xteven | and no other tool that I know of, has connected shapes like dia |
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| 14:21.56 | enveezee | abrotman: I wasnt able to see the connection between the new cat in town and the sex kittens |
| 14:21.57 | SuperSox | hey, I'm having a strange problem, my net connection works fine, but alsa is all messed up, then I run alsaconf and get the sound working fine and my internet connection drops off about 20 mins/half an hour later... I'm not sure if it's related to alsa though as my flatmate is having a similer problem - he just 'repairs' his networking (he's on xp) and the connection is restored- I seem to have to reboot my machine before the network will come back - any |
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| 14:22.01 | abrotman | Xteven: i'm not aware of any other tool like dia in F/OSS |
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| 14:22.02 | Lanix | can a lexmark x1195 work under debian ? |
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| 14:22.08 | gearry | I have a system administration type problem |
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| 14:22.12 | Xteven | abrotman : thx anyway :( |
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| 14:22.25 | abrotman | Xteven: maybe ask in #linux ? |
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| 14:22.48 | Xteven | abrotman : I was hoping for a tool in apt :) |
| 14:23.05 | jm_ | Xteven: xfig, but dia is way more advanced |
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| 14:23.11 | gearry | when I installed logcheck it appears that the user logcheck was set up as a normal user |
| 14:23.18 | paroneayea | I gave installing gnome a test under debian, and now it seems to have taken over everything. apt-get remove gnome doesn't seem to get rid of everything.. what's the best way to eliminate the stuff it installed and get my computer back the way it used to be? |
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| 14:23.29 | gearry | so now I get alerts that the password for logcheck expired |
| 14:23.30 | SuperSox | hummm, thinking about it, this problem must be related to alsa, as this laptop hasn't lost connectivity... |
| 14:23.33 | SuperSox | girr |
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| 14:23.34 | SuperSox | bbs. |
| 14:23.36 | abrotman | Xteven: just because i don't know it .. doesn't mean it's not in apt |
| 14:23.42 | jm_ | paroneayea: remove gnome libs and use aptitude next time |
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| 14:23.57 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 14:23.57 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 14:24.05 | abrotman | paroneayea: ^^ |
| 14:24.12 | paroneayea | thansks :) |
| 14:24.17 | enveezee | abrotman: oh well in the 70 or so libraries in the county they only have it on audiobook and its got 11 holds.. so I guess thats as far as I am going with that wacko |
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| 14:24.43 | bibe | hi all. I have set up irda support for my laptop, I run irdadump and everything seems to work. Since I'll be able to use a nokia w/ infrared port only for tomorrow, I'd like to know something about a nice app to interact with it |
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| 14:24.59 | jm_ | bibe: gnokii? |
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| 14:25.20 | bibe | jm_ : I'll try that, thanks |
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| 14:25.24 | abrotman | enveezee: you need more books |
| 14:25.26 | enveezee | abrotman: it probably sucks anyhow, and I would just want to smack her with a dick after reading it |
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| 14:26.55 | enveezee | abrotman: we got lots of em http://www.einetwork.net/ein/libraries.html |
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| 14:27.42 | abrotman | castle shannon ? |
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| 14:28.01 | enveezee | abrotman: the online reference kicks ass too |
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| 14:28.21 | enveezee | abrotman: long line of resources available through POWER Library |
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| 14:28.41 | enveezee | abrotman: they may have the book on netLibrary which you can access through POWER |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | enveezee: POWER!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:29.07 | enveezee | abrotman: I just forgot my username/password for netLibrary. and you can only register (for free) from inside the library |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | at least i know where the caught dreams go now |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | enveezee: get off your lazy ass .. go to the library :) |
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| 14:29.48 | enveezee | abrotman: I owe em money cause I returned 7 books a day late yesturday.. and I am broke |
| 14:29.50 | bbb | My NFS debian box continuously send 'rpc.statd[23036]: Received erroneous SM_UNMON request from ' in syslog. Any idea why ? |
| 14:30.10 | abrotman | enveezee: where does all your money go? |
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| 14:30.39 | enveezee | abrotman: I am about to make a ham and cheese sandwitch, then go to bed.. I got to meet this lady at 2pm to get a windows CD and auth cert. so I can fix her pc so I can make $50 |
| 14:30.45 | Roey | abrotman: hi again |
| 14:30.47 | enveezee | abrotman: and of course I get paid tomorrow. |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | Roey: hi |
| 14:31.00 | Roey | abrotman: quick question, do you have a brother named Joel by any chance? |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | enveezee: you need a .. budget |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | Roey: a brother .. no .. family member .. possibly |
| 14:31.19 | Roey | abrotman: oh ok |
| 14:31.26 | enveezee | abrotman: working on it.. right now I dont have any real expenses to budget |
| 14:31.31 | enveezee | abrotman: I buy a lot of pizza |
| 14:31.33 | abrotman | Roey: you'd only know my brothers from Ultimate frisbee or LARP |
| 14:31.37 | Roey | :) |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | enveezee: stop buying pizza |
| 14:32.06 | enveezee | abrotman: heh, are you my personal advisor now? business, finances, romance? |
| 14:32.17 | Roey | abrotman: Joel and I and a bunch of others from the gym went camping in West Virginia this past weekend. But anyway, back to our program |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | Roey: does he have the same last name i do ? |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | enveezee: just wait til i start fixing your computers :) |
| 14:33.02 | Roey | abrotman: yes he does! |
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| 14:33.10 | enveezee | abrotman: I am gonna see about opening a bank account sometime soon.. I hope they dont bring up that deal about owing Mellon a few hundred, cause they still arent getting it |
| 14:33.20 | quiet | anyone know what the deal is with marillat repos? |
| 14:33.25 | abrotman | Roey: ask him if his family is from baltiomre .... i think that's where my great grandfather immigrated to |
| 14:33.28 | quiet | it keeps failing trying to sync for me |
| 14:33.34 | Roey | abrotman: ok |
| 14:33.39 | enveezee | abrotman: I got a platinum credit card in the mail the other day.. so I need an easy way to pay it.. and online seems to be the easiest |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | enveezee: so uhm .. get a different one ? |
| 14:33.51 | Roey | abrotman: I mean he's local.. he's in Maryland |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | Roey: i thought you were in canada ? |
| 14:33.58 | enveezee | abrotman: a different what? |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | enveezee: bank ? |
| 14:34.03 | Roey | abrotman: HEH |
| 14:34.06 | enveezee | abrotman: I dont have a bank |
| 14:34.12 | enveezee | abrotman: I havent had one in like 3 years |
| 14:34.12 | Roey | abrotman: US is the best, baby. |
| 14:34.13 | Eclipser | umh |
| 14:34.20 | Eclipser | what happened to xfce4 in my sarge? |
| 14:34.23 | Roey | abrotman: I work in VA and live in MD. |
| 14:34.40 | Eclipser | it whines something about not supporting something new stuff defined in http://www.freedesktop.org |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | Roey: oh .. my brother lives down there(but is about to move) .. when i was a kid we lived in reistertown |
| 14:34.45 | enveezee | what I need is an email address so I can setup my CapitalOne account :P |
| 14:34.51 | Eclipser | and now it doesn't show any window decorations and such |
| 14:34.52 | abrotman | enveezee: gmail ? |
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| 14:35.46 | Eclipser | eexit |
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| 14:37.15 | Eclipser | whops |
| 14:37.26 | Eclipser | umh |
| 14:37.29 | Eclipser | the funny thing is |
| 14:37.43 | Eclipser | I have two almost identical sarge/xfce4 desktop boxes here |
| 14:37.51 | Eclipser | the other isn't whining about this :p |
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| 14:38.56 | bibe | Eclipser : try dpkg-query -W on both machines and see the differences |
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| 14:39.30 | bibe | Eclipser : if they are "almost identical" it should be easy to get the differences |
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| 14:39.36 | Eclipser | "Your window manager does not seem to support the new window manager hints as defined on http://www.freedesktop.org. Some XFce features may not work as intended" |
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| 14:40.04 | abrotman | Eclipser: did you install xorg ? |
| 14:40.06 | Eclipser | no |
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| 14:41.01 | abrotman | Eclipser: are you very sure ? |
| 14:41.04 | Eclipser | absolutely |
| 14:42.02 | enveezee | abrotman: heh, its got abrotmanster@gmail.com as my desired login |
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| 14:42.23 | abrotman | enveezee: you might want to change that :) |
| 14:42.33 | enveezee | abrotman: sounds good to me :P |
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| 14:43.26 | abrotman | enveezee: now you have a real live email addy :) |
| 14:43.29 | TinoW | hi friends |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | who? |
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| 14:44.16 | enveezee | abrotman: not yet. Did you ever notice how stupid some of these turing tests are they have for form validation? I had one yesturday that was numbers with like swirls behind them, and I couldnt even make out the numbers. |
| 14:44.36 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:44.42 | Eclipser | I'll try removing xfce configs.... |
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| 14:45.04 | enveezee | abrotman: I havent used email in a long time, does the first/last name only count for you or is that sent with outgoing mail? |
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| 14:45.11 | madclicker | does anyone here using University of Washigton's pop3s package? |
| 14:45.19 | lestest | does anybody administer a beowulf cluster here? |
| 14:45.22 | TinoW | madclicker: no |
| 14:45.28 | Ronin | enveezee: havent used email? ive heard of folks like that |
| 14:45.34 | Ronin | course they dont have a computer mind you |
| 14:45.35 | enveezee | Ronin: heh |
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| 14:45.47 | enveezee | Ronin: I have over a dozen computers |
| 14:46.16 | madclicker | how can i get pop3s working on sarge. Is there a way to make pop authenticate through ssl? |
| 14:46.31 | enveezee | I dont think I care for this virgina ham anymore |
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| 14:46.50 | abrotman | enveezee: i think it's on the email |
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| 14:47.05 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:47.09 | Eclipser | it seems to work now |
| 14:47.16 | Eclipser | apparently something had screwed up my configs |
| 14:47.30 | abrotman | madclicker: peopel still use that ? |
| 14:47.31 | Eclipser | meh, now I need to reconfigure this |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | madclicker: i'm pretty sure cyrus and courier both support pop3s |
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| 14:48.30 | enveezee | took me eating two and a half of them to realize I didnt like it |
| 14:48.45 | enveezee | but then I worked all night, I was hungry and tired |
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| 14:49.38 | enveezee | abrotman: the password strength script is so stupid I dont know why they even bothered |
| 14:50.01 | Eclipser | note to self: if suddenly everything fails when starting window manager: remove configs :p |
| 14:50.07 | madclicker | abrotman, its alright |
| 14:50.12 | Merlin555 | Hi everybody, has anyone run into problems with recent debian upgrades and PAM? |
| 14:50.36 | enveezee | abrotman: any six letters I choose provided I dont use the same letter more than twice it considers a stong password |
| 14:50.39 | TinoW | and ideas on how one can burn crypted cd/dvd on the fly? I mean w/o just burning a crypted FS as file in usual iso image |
| 14:51.36 | huggis | can someone help me i can't download anything whit apt-get or wget both work just fine yesterday |
| 14:51.40 | Merlin555 | my email has been down for a day, and it totally sucks |
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| 14:51.54 | TinoW | huggis: copy your error message to google |
| 14:52.05 | ircdevil | huggis: check your connection |
| 14:52.15 | Merlin555 | I did, it hasn't helped |
| 14:52.19 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:52.21 | TinoW | Merlin555: if your email sucks, its good for your its down now, yes? ;) |
| 14:52.34 | elephantman | How can i download a .deb package with apt without installing it |
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| 14:52.45 | enveezee | hmm I can remember my library card number off the top of my head.. weird |
| 14:52.46 | tarzeau | elephantman: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 14:52.57 | Merlin555 | lol, yeah for me, not for my university |
| 14:52.58 | TinoW | tarzeau: thats the other way round |
| 14:53.00 | tarzeau | is there a tool for x to place the mouse pointer where i want? |
| 14:53.02 | bibe | elephantman : 'man apt-get', then apt-get -d install foo, I hink |
| 14:53.04 | czr | elephantman, --download-only |
| 14:53.04 | bibe | think |
| 14:53.11 | tarzeau | TinoW: ah |
| 14:53.25 | elephantman | ok thanx a lot |
| 14:53.34 | bibe | elephantman : no problem |
| 14:53.41 | enveezee | ah wtf. I cant have nvz@gmail.com |
| 14:53.45 | enveezee | thats dumb |
| 14:53.49 | Merlin555 | yeah, Jimmy Neutron does that think think thing, does it work? |
| 14:54.04 | enveezee | I havent even finished with the simple account form and I am already pissed off and dont like gmail :P |
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| 14:55.14 | Garp | Hi. |
| 14:55.22 | bibe | !hi Garp |
| 14:55.25 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai Garp! |
| 14:55.27 | Merlin555 | the public emails had their policies tightened up because it came out as a terrorist plot to use hotmail. Heck, Hotmail IS a terrorist plot |
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| 14:56.10 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 14:56.11 | elephantman | Where does apt-get puts the ".deb" |
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| 14:56.29 | petemc | elephantman: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 14:56.41 | elephantman | petemc: thanx |
| 14:56.42 | Merlin555 | From whatever you have setup in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:57.03 | czr | elephantman, /var/spool/apt maybe |
| 14:57.10 | czr | might also be /var/spool/cache/apt |
| 14:57.12 | Garp | Question: writing a configure.ac script, wants to refer to some external file while in configure. When ./configure is run from the checkout directory fine, but when not, the file is not found. Any standard way to tell where that file is? Could AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR be used for that ? Thanks. |
| 14:57.15 | elephantman | petemc: this is it thanx |
| 14:57.19 | Garp | Thanks bibe :) |
| 14:57.26 | enveezee | yeehaw, email :-/ |
| 14:57.33 | Garp | dpkg: My nights are sweet ;) |
| 14:57.33 | dpkg | Garp: okay |
| 14:57.37 | czr | oh, didn't notice that petemc already answered :-) |
| 14:57.48 | fireba11 | lol garp |
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| 14:58.44 | valdyn_ | !my nights |
| 14:58.44 | dpkg | my nights are sweet ;) |
| 14:58.45 | Merlin555 | Anyway, pam and kerberos, and recent upgrades to samba seem to be a troublepoint |
| 14:58.58 | valdyn_ | dpkg, forget my nights |
| 14:58.58 | dpkg | valdyn_: i forgot my nights |
| 14:59.17 | enveezee | er... gmail |
| 14:59.23 | enveezee | this definatly isnt email |
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| 14:59.35 | blackeagle01 | hi... I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it doesn't overwrite the X configuration file... where does it write the file? |
| 14:59.41 | Garp | enveezee: last tiume I checked it was a filesystem ;) |
| 14:59.41 | TinoW | enveezee: yes, its 2 letters further |
| 14:59.51 | valdyn_ | blackeagle01: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 15:00.15 | Merlin555 | did you remove the previous installation? otherwise it assumes you want to keep configs from the past |
| 15:00.40 | Garp | blackeagle01: If you previously modified it by hand it wont. See the begining of that file for instructions how to change rthat (imlply some md5 checksum to be written somewhere) |
| 15:01.24 | Garp | So... Where are autoconf hackers ? ;) |
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| 15:01.48 | Merlin555 | I get the authentication service cannot retrieve authentification info |
| 15:01.50 | blackeagle01 | uhm... I configured X by fglrxconfig... but the mouse scrolling doesn't work... |
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| 15:02.29 | enveezee | blackeagle01: if it didnt overwrite your X config then it _doesnt_ write the file |
| 15:02.37 | blackeagle01 | I tried to insert option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in the configuration file... but it doesn't work |
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| 15:03.17 | enveezee | blackeagle01: debconf's X config checksums the config file when it saves it, and again when you try to reconfigure.. and if they dont match, it doesnt write anything, all changes made are lost |
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| 15:03.46 | enveezee | blackeagle01: thats why debconf doesnt work, because you edited the file by hand without updating the checksup |
| 15:03.52 | enveezee | s/up/um/ |
| 15:03.55 | michael_1 | I am using openoffice and I would like to use the same fonts, Microsoft's Office does (like Arial etc)... is there an apt package to install them easily? |
| 15:04.00 | enveezee | grr |
| 15:04.08 | bbrazil | michael_1: mstcorefonts or some such |
| 15:04.09 | enveezee | s/sup/sum/ |
| 15:04.16 | meff | michael_1: msttcorefonts |
| 15:04.30 | blackeagle01 | yes, but now I don't want to reconfigure X by dpkg... I want only enable the mouse scrolling |
| 15:04.30 | raden | anyone have a suggestion for a affordable printer that works with CUps Nicely my HP 4215 doesnt print on the first 3" of each page no matter how high i set the margin |
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| 15:05.18 | enveezee | blackeagle01: sorry, I only answer the questions that are asked. and that _IS_ what you asked |
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| 15:06.47 | enveezee | blackeagle01: if you update your checksum you can easily Enable Scroll Events From a mousewheel with debconf |
| 15:06.57 | enveezee | !tell blackeagle01 about xmd5sum |
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| 15:06.59 | abrotman | enveezee: hehe .. it's not the best .. but i odn't think they want to make it too hard |
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| 15:07.19 | p3rti | hi |
| 15:07.22 | abrotman | enveezee: and now you can tell RichiH you have an email address! |
| 15:07.33 | enveezee | RichiH: you hear that? :P |
| 15:07.50 | RichiH | yep |
| 15:07.53 | enveezee | aw shit.. alcohol in the freezer |
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| 15:08.26 | abrotman | and kline some of these bastards! |
| 15:08.28 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 15:08.31 | RichiH | that nick does not have and email address set |
| 15:08.33 | SimonRaven | thanks ;) |
| 15:08.37 | RichiH | abrotman: way ahead of you |
| 15:08.39 | p3rti | before i upgrade my system with aptitude, aptitude deinstall my kdevelop and now when i try to install with apt-get install kdevelop its say that its not avalaible. |
| 15:08.40 | abrotman | enveezee: set your email address! |
| 15:08.50 | RichiH | you need to set up your nick completely as shown on freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - this means both a linked nick and a valid email for the primary nick |
| 15:09.04 | valdyn_ | raden: any hp deskjet should work fine |
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| 15:09.20 | raden | valdyn_, thanks :) |
| 15:09.44 | raden | my office jet works just doesnt use the first few inches gets anoying |
| 15:09.54 | Merlin555 | anybody work with PAM lately? |
| 15:10.13 | valdyn_ | raden: im not sure if that isnt due to your fault, office jets basically contain a deskjet, iirc |
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| 15:10.47 | InKubus | hiya, just installed sarge for the first time and can't see tinyproxy on apt - any ideas what i could use as an alternative? |
| 15:10.49 | valdyn_ | raden: they're simple deskjet + fax in 1 box |
| 15:10.53 | redguy|work | howdy, how would i make a sarge i386 box to actually turn off instead of displaying "Power Down"? Is that possible without brewing my own kernel? |
| 15:11.00 | blackeagle01 | yes... now I updated the MD5sum, can I reconfigure ONLY the mouse without reconfigure all X? |
| 15:11.07 | abrotman | redguy|work: acpi or apm |
| 15:11.38 | Garp | (bebye) |
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| 15:11.47 | redguy|work | abrotman: could you elaborate? |
| 15:11.59 | valdyn_ | blackeagle01: no |
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| 15:12.03 | abrotman | redguy|work: acpi or apm :) |
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| 15:12.18 | abrotman | redguy|work: try installing acpid or apmd .. depends how old the mahcine is for which one |
| 15:12.35 | nvz | this nick had an email already.. but it wasnt one I had access to |
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| 15:12.54 | nvz | that linking is pretty cool though.. I should have done that a long time ago |
| 15:13.03 | nvz | saves me having to type a password when I change nicks |
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| 15:13.07 | mekd | hi |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | curt! |
| 15:13.43 | mekd | what should i do if i wanna install debian on a sata hard disk? |
| 15:13.45 | redguy|work | abrotman: hmmm, got acpid installed. Do I have to enable ACPI in BIOS as well? This might be a reason... :-) |
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| 15:14.24 | abrotman | redguy|work: how old is the machine ? |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | mekd: which sata controller ? |
| 15:14.35 | curt | abrotman, heya how's it going |
| 15:14.39 | bibe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.39 | nvz | mekd: well send the PC to Leetsdale with like $100 should about cover it.. and a self-addressed paid postage return container.. |
| 15:14.39 | abrotman | horrible! |
| 15:14.45 | curt | hehe |
| 15:14.49 | bibe_ | :-S |
| 15:14.55 | abrotman | bibe_: whoops .. :) |
| 15:15.02 | redguy|work | abrotman: it is a PIII HP Vectra, ~ 2001 I presume |
| 15:15.08 | abrotman | eep |
| 15:15.22 | fbi | yay gentoo ;-) ;-) ;-) compilecompilecompile |
| 15:15.23 | nvz | I got an old PI vectra on my desk in front of me. |
| 15:15.25 | abrotman | HP .. vectra .. probably nothing standard in it! |
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| 15:15.33 | nvz | its being used as a cupholder right now |
| 15:15.35 | curt | abrotman, I decided to read the online book from #CPP it really sucks |
| 15:15.39 | abrotman | redguy|work: it would have to on in the bios if there is an option in it |
| 15:15.44 | abrotman | curt: doh! |
| 15:15.58 | Merlin555 | p1 vectras are really good as planters |
| 15:16.08 | abrotman | i'm not sure i could have squeezed another two letter word in that sentence |
| 15:16.08 | nvz | heh |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | oh .. yes .. s/to on/to be on/ |
| 15:16.36 | nvz | Merlin555: too bad I dont have a boat, I could use it for an anchor |
| 15:16.51 | abrotman | nvz: like that stops people from throwing it in the rivers :) |
| 15:16.51 | TinoW | or as door stopper |
| 15:16.55 | redguy|work | abrotman: planters? you mean the things you put under plants? |
| 15:17.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:17.07 | abrotman | and i didn't say it |
| 15:17.14 | TinoW | or letter weight |
| 15:17.18 | redguy|work | hah |
| 15:17.26 | nvz | abrotman: no, it just stops them from leaving it there |
| 15:17.30 | Merlin555 | a chihuahua could fit |
| 15:17.33 | nvz | heh |
| 15:17.48 | nvz | abrotman: thorwing an anchor in the river, is kind of the idea |
| 15:19.12 | Merlin555 | I am so disappointed. I bet none of you have a propeller beany |
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| 15:19.46 | nvz | I can make myself look like and idiot without one |
| 15:19.55 | shad0wcat | what is the hotline service? |
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| 15:22.27 | fbi | !confuse shad0wcat |
| 15:22.28 | dpkg | No, those are their gouda yesterday, shad0wcat? wellies of the democracy of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 15:23.04 | fbi | you know what's sad, is that made sense to me. |
| 15:23.37 | redguy|work | abrotman: hyrm no acpi setting in that shitty bios. will try with acpi=force |
| 15:23.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:23.55 | abrotman | redguy|work: it could be apm .. though apm is pretty damn old |
| 15:23.57 | nvz | redguy|work: just load the apm real mode power off module |
| 15:24.02 | nvz | then turn the fucker off |
| 15:24.06 | nvz | problem solved |
| 15:24.29 | SimonRaven | made sense to me too :| |
| 15:24.43 | redguy|work | nvz: will look into that first |
| 15:25.21 | nvz | I am going with the assumption that there is no chance in hell of me going to see that lady today |
| 15:25.52 | abrotman | nvz: and if there's no apm support ? |
| 15:25.54 | nvz | oh well.. she's not in any hurry, and probably doesnt have my $50 today anyhow. |
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| 15:26.31 | nvz | abrotman: *shrug* afaik it has nothing to do with APM for one thing, and for another I think its a legacy thing all pcs understand |
| 15:26.33 | TheCount | whoops |
| 15:26.58 | nvz | abrotman: think it has more to do with calling some inturrupt or something, which is the same on any system and irrelevant to APM or APCI |
| 15:27.23 | abrotman | nvz: if you say so .. i tried loading apm once on my laptop .. it was a bad thing :) |
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| 15:30.04 | tuv | I used to use k3b for cd/dvd burning but it is not available in the repositories right now.. what is a good replacement? |
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| 15:31.02 | Merlin555 | once again, anybody work with PAM and Kerberos lately? |
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| 15:31.43 | Merlin555 | or get, Authentication services cannot retrieve authentication info? |
| 15:32.09 | fbi | tuv: cdrecord|cdrdao |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | tuv: arson or gnomebaker or eroaster or dozens of other apps |
| 15:32.23 | fbi | abrotman: gui kiddie! |
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| 15:32.39 | abrotman | fbi: hey .. he started with k3b! |
| 15:32.55 | fbi | oh yeah. |
| 15:32.58 | fbi | HEH. |
| 15:33.30 | fbi | they should still learn how to burn using command line instead of depending on k3b to run everything. |
| 15:33.33 | nvz | hmm I just found out a company called actron makes a pocket OBD II scanner that retails around $80, pretty interesting </random? |
| 15:34.27 | nvz | I find it much easier to just use k3b in most cases, unless burning an m3u playlist to audio cd, or an ISO or something else already pre-arranged |
| 15:34.50 | abrotman | nvz: why are you scanning stuff in your pocket ? |
| 15:35.10 | fbi | nvz: i never said k3b wasn't easy, of course it's easier, that's what guis are for. i prefer knowing how it works behind the pretty pictures though. |
| 15:35.31 | nvz | abrotman: the idea is to have a small and affordable ODB II that you can own and operate yourself. |
| 15:35.44 | blackeagle01 | fbi: ther is a difference by "wanting to USE linux" and "wanting to LEARN to use linux" ;) |
| 15:35.47 | abrotman | nvz: this is something you put in your pocket ? |
| 15:36.04 | nvz | abrotman: its pocket-sized its of little use in your pocket |
| 15:36.07 | nvz | you cant even see it |
| 15:36.12 | nvz | when its in your pocket |
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| 15:36.34 | nvz | what good is an ODB II if it isnt 1) hooked up to something and 2) you can see it |
| 15:36.43 | nvz | afaik they dont make ODB II's for blind people. |
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| 15:36.54 | fbi | blackeagle01: true. there's is also a difference between using an app, and using it and knowing how it works. if they knew how k3b worked, they wouldn't be asking for a replacement app. they's use cdrecord. |
| 15:37.23 | fbi | s/'s/'d/g |
| 15:37.30 | nvz | I guess they figure the market for blind mechanics is pretty small. |
| 15:38.12 | nvz | an ODB II is a handheld pc that hooks up to your car's computer and allows technicians to read and set codes |
| 15:38.31 | nvz | this one is a small affordable one you can own at home and read/clear error codes |
| 15:39.01 | nvz | its not nearly as featureful as the ones the dealers have.. but it could be handy. you cant hook it to your benz and make it do the rodeo hydrolics or anything |
| 15:39.18 | nvz | but you can turn that damn check engine light off |
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| 15:43.49 | viv | hi |
| 15:43.56 | viv | girls? |
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| 15:44.07 | azeem | viv: no, this is a technical channel |
| 15:44.21 | azeem | viv: about the Debian GNU/Linux operating system |
| 15:44.29 | redguy|work | azeem: maybe he's offering |
| 15:44.32 | viv | ohh nice |
| 15:44.36 | redguy|work | :-) |
| 15:44.48 | azeem | redguy|work: still off topic |
| 15:45.27 | viv | any technical girl? |
| 15:45.42 | azeem | viv: why does it matter whether it's a boy or a girl? |
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| 15:46.01 | redguy|work | abrotman, nvz: well, acpi=force and acpid did the trick for me |
| 15:46.10 | viv | some what... |
| 15:46.10 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 15:47.00 | nvz | viv: now would be a good time to show some indication that you are not trolling before you are kicked |
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| 15:47.23 | elephantman | If i don't want 'dpkg -i kernel...' to modify my lilo.conf or my 'vmlinuz.XXX' symlinks - Do i have to answer 'no' to 'Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf' ? Or it has nothing to do ? |
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| 15:47.48 | viv | i am a girl....so i thought better stick to my kind only......anyway u r free to kick me. |
| 15:48.02 | azeem | viv: Ah. Do you use Debian? |
| 15:48.18 | viv | wats that? |
| 15:48.24 | azeem | viv: see www.debian.org |
| 15:48.26 | elephantman | :)))) |
| 15:48.31 | pureone | lol |
| 15:48.34 | azeem | viv: it is a free, community-developped Linux distribution |
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| 15:48.37 | nvz | viv: you some kind of feminist or something? |
| 15:48.38 | azeem | viv: do you know Linux? |
| 15:48.45 | viv | better u yourself tell me |
| 15:48.48 | TinoW | s |
| 15:48.51 | fbi | viv: booby pics. now. |
| 15:48.53 | elephantman | viv: do you know your name ? |
| 15:49.05 | elephantman | sorry |
| 15:49.10 | azeem | fbi: stop it now. |
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| 15:49.20 | viv | Linux.......yah |
| 15:49.20 | nvz | fbi: what makes you think she has boobs |
| 15:49.23 | fbi | why |
| 15:49.29 | azeem | nvz: considering how women are treated in this field, it is a sensible thing to do sometimes |
| 15:49.31 | fbi | nvz: not sure, that's why i asked for pics |
| 15:49.38 | viv | wat kinda talk this? |
| 15:50.10 | viv | azeem...is this a technical channel? |
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| 15:50.26 | nvz | azeem: I've never noticed women treated any differently. especially on IRC. cause you cant even tell unless they tell you. If they tell you, they can obviously handle themselves |
| 15:50.26 | azeem | viv: mostly. But some people are immature |
| 15:50.34 | azeem | nvz: 16:43 < fbi> viv: booby pics. now. |
| 15:50.39 | azeem | nvz: qed. |
| 15:50.56 | nvz | is qed a word?! |
| 15:50.58 | curt | !qed |
| 15:50.58 | dpkg | i heard qed is 'quod erat demonstrandum', meaning "That which was to have been proved.", or for proofs: "Quite Easily/Elegantly Done". Quantum ElectroDynamics |
| 15:50.59 | viv | ohh..btw what u do |
| 15:51.03 | antidrugue | hi |
| 15:51.12 | fbi | azeem: put my nick on /ignore if my text upsets you. |
| 15:51.12 | antidrugue | i have a question about DMA |
| 15:51.13 | viv | this is obnoxious! |
| 15:51.16 | Firestarter2 | Is there a place where I can order they most recent linux version on a cd? And what is the most recent version |
| 15:51.18 | nvz | a latin abbriviation.. |
| 15:51.22 | nvz | imagine that. |
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| 15:51.26 | azeem | fbi: no, this is a public channel, you should behave |
| 15:51.36 | redguy|work | anyways, bye. have fun... |
| 15:51.40 | fbi | azeem: like i said: put my nick on /ignore if my text upsets you. |
| 15:51.44 | tarzeau | damn it sucks that one can't install sysutils AND memtester |
| 15:51.45 | miag | viv: http://women.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 15:51.47 | viv | azeem u r sensible guy |
| 15:51.56 | azeem | viv: if you know Linux and are intersted in Debian, you should come to #debian-women on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:51.58 | fbi | i'm not gonna sit here and kiss some trolls ass who isn't even running Debian. |
| 15:52.03 | viv | r u single? |
| 15:52.06 | nvz | heh |
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| 15:52.14 | azeem | viv: forget what I just said |
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| 15:52.19 | antidrugue | i cannot set DMA on my CDROM: i use Debian SID, my mobo is P4P800 se and my CD/DVD is LG4163 |
| 15:52.23 | elephantman | what is fun is not the fact you are girl - but not knowing debian and being on "#debian" is. |
| 15:52.25 | viv | wat did u say |
| 15:52.29 | curt | fbi, move on |
| 15:52.31 | fbi | awww, aren't you glad you came to her defense now? |
| 15:52.31 | TinoW | hehe, nice site |
| 15:52.33 | antidrugue | with HDPARM, i get operation not permitted |
| 15:52.39 | fbi | see, it was really worth it |
| 15:52.45 | tarzeau | antidrugue: you're root? |
| 15:52.49 | viv | who is talikn to me |
| 15:52.50 | antidrugue | yes,,, |
| 15:52.53 | fbi | curt: feel free to also /ignore me if you are getting upset. |
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| 15:53.04 | fbi | wtf is going on in here today |
| 15:53.09 | antidrugue | when not root it is "permission denied" |
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| 15:53.21 | tarzeau | antidrugue: you don't like drugue? |
| 15:53.21 | nvz | fbi: same old shit, different day |
| 15:53.22 | TinoW | viv: you will see who puts "viv: " in the sentence |
| 15:53.23 | azeem | viv: many people are in here, there might be different conversations going on concurrently |
| 15:53.27 | fbi | looks like everyone attended a troll sensitivity seminar last night |
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| 15:53.41 | antidrugue | i guest it is something about modules not loaded in the right order... but i'm stuck |
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| 15:54.16 | viv | ohhh azeem! |
| 15:54.24 | antidrugue | i'm willing to do anything to correct the problem... recompile the kernel, anything... |
| 15:54.30 | viv | azeem u didnt answer me |
| 15:54.48 | miag | viv: #debian-women |
| 15:54.49 | curt | viv, did you have a question? |
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| 15:55.01 | azeem | viv: I am busy at work. See www.debian.org for information about this channel/project, or ask specific questions |
| 15:55.08 | Backup | Hello waht must i inall du unpack rar files? |
| 15:55.12 | nvz | fbi: yeah you missed it while you were at how to be an asshole on irc seminar .. heh :P |
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| 15:55.24 | fbi | nvz: i'm a speaker at that one |
| 15:55.31 | nvz | yeah I know :) |
| 15:55.33 | viv | hi curt....i am busy with azeem |
| 15:55.36 | nkuttler | Backup: apt-cache search unrar |
| 15:55.43 | Backup | thx |
| 15:55.53 | fbi | uh oh, there's a queue building |
| 15:55.54 | viv | he is such a sweet guy |
| 15:56.01 | antidrugue | normally, by putting piix at the top of the /etc/modules file it allows me then to set hdparm -d1 on my CD... |
| 15:56.18 | azeem | viv: why do you think I am a guy? |
| 15:56.25 | nkuttler | fbi: if it is a trolling you're really good at helping it :) |
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| 15:56.38 | viv | arent u |
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| 15:56.44 | viv | azeem |
| 15:56.46 | fbi | nkuttler: it's not like there are actual debian users who need help right now, i am entertaining myself! |
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| 15:57.01 | azeem | viv: it doesn't matter |
| 15:57.06 | nvz | bud: unrar-nonfree |
| 15:57.13 | nvz | Backup: unrar-nonfree |
| 15:57.23 | nvz | bud: sorry for fat-fingering your nick |
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| 15:57.36 | fbi | fat-fingering haha |
| 15:57.49 | viv | it does ...to me |
| 15:58.01 | saintiss | is there a debian package available for the Io language? |
| 15:58.08 | antidrugue | how you guys are making DMA work? I find it mysterious... i'm finding solutions on the web.... but nothing clear, nothing consistant |
| 15:58.19 | azeem | saintiss: is that a programming language or a spoken language? |
| 15:58.25 | antidrugue | sorry to insist... |
| 15:58.33 | fly_80 | which is the module that probes for pcmcia ? i have to exclude a range of port |
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| 15:59.02 | azeem | fly_80: one used to be able to control that in /etc/pcmcia/some_file, but maybe that changed since |
| 15:59.23 | petemc | fly_80: /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
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| 15:59.36 | saintiss | azeem, programming lang |
| 15:59.46 | fly_80 | ok, thanks |
| 15:59.47 | fly_80 | :) |
| 15:59.57 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: which kernel do you use? |
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| 16:00.13 | antidrugue | now i have 2.6.14.2 |
| 16:00.18 | Nurbs_ | mhm |
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| 16:00.57 | antidrugue | with 2.6.13.4 with the original 2.6.8.2 config it was working... i compile 2.6.14.2 with the same config and it's not working anymore.... don't get it |
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| 16:01.07 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: I don't get DMA on PIIX with 2.6.14 either and saw some more reports about that. One could try libata (yuk, very experimental) or possibly 2.6.14-rc1 and up :) |
| 16:01.57 | antidrugue | isnt it related to my chipset (ICH5) for ide controller? |
| 16:02.01 | larard | I've hosed my /etc/exim4/conf.d/ directories. How can I reinstall the default ones? |
| 16:02.10 | meff | hmm |
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| 16:02.38 | meff | my ich7 mysteriosly started going slower at .14 also, though this is sata |
| 16:02.58 | antidrugue | i'm sure there is a solution, and i don't thing it is a bug... i'm just missing something... something simple i'm sure |
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| 16:03.07 | meff | i cant even burn something on the fly at 8x on .14 |
| 16:03.07 | nkuttler | larard: dpkg --force-help |
| 16:03.17 | larard | nkuttler: cheers |
| 16:03.21 | curt | is there a way to transform file names from ascii to korean and back from korean to ascii? |
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| 16:04.10 | tuv | it seems there are lots of graphical cd/dvd-burning packages in debian.. any suggestions which would be the best? |
| 16:04.10 | Eclipser | k3b |
| 16:04.10 | nkuttler | curt: erm... example? |
| 16:04.10 | bibe | larard : apt-get -d install exim4-config ; mkdir ~tmp/; dpkg -x /path/to/exim4-config_....deb |
| 16:04.10 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: I am quite convinced that it is a kernel bug, actually |
| 16:04.14 | tuv | Eclipser: well, k3b is not in the repository right now! |
| 16:04.20 | Eclipser | oh? |
| 16:04.22 | Eclipser | :o |
| 16:04.26 | Eclipser | still, k3b :p |
| 16:04.30 | antidrugue | oh... but i got it to work in 2.6.13.4... |
| 16:04.41 | tuv | Eclipser: any feasible suggestion? |
| 16:04.43 | antidrugue | with original debian config for 2.6.8.2 |
| 16:04.45 | curt | nkuttler, it's for a game that requires files names to be in ascii and gets packed in a zip like grf file |
| 16:04.46 | Eclipser | xroaster or something is awful... |
| 16:04.46 | gerard_ | I use graveman for my burning.... |
| 16:04.48 | TriKster-Abacus | I have k3b ... but I am not supposed to say how |
| 16:04.50 | Eclipser | others I haven't really used |
| 16:05.00 | addddre | Hi, I'm using a computer and it has a little problem. It can't read from or write to the hardware clock. It says select() timed out on /dev/rtc. I'm using kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp and some Dell. |
| 16:05.02 | TriKster-Abacus | gnome has a cd burning program |
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| 16:05.30 | Eclipser | they're all just frontends for cdrecord |
| 16:05.30 | tuv | gerard_: is graveman a good one? |
| 16:05.36 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: yes, it happened somewhere in between 2.6.13 and 2.6.14. I didn't have time to check where yet which is something that I want to do before reporting it to LKML if it hasn't been reported yet |
| 16:05.46 | Eclipser | tuv, try it |
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| 16:06.02 | gerard_ | I use it all of the time its easy. apt-get install graveman |
| 16:06.09 | somethingbad | hello, i need some help with mrtg |
| 16:06.11 | tuv | Eclipser: i'm trying an easier method |
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| 16:06.28 | Eclipser | to be honest, I haven't burnt a DVD or CD in about two years |
| 16:07.02 | antidrugue | of course i can go back to 2.6.13.4,,, but i'm not 100% sure it will work... " it happened somewhere in between 2.6.13 and 2.6.14. " i had problem with 2.6.12 as well... |
| 16:07.10 | tuv | there are gnomebaker and gcombust, but i have no idea how good they are |
| 16:07.28 | yacc | Well, growisofs seems to work well for DVDs ;) |
| 16:07.29 | elephantman | How can i know the list of available modules ? |
| 16:07.35 | elephantman | for my kernel ? |
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| 16:07.49 | Eclipser | I just can't seem to find anything worth the while to burn on DVD/CD |
| 16:08.00 | Eclipser | my HDDs are practically empty too |
| 16:08.01 | gerard_ | I haven't tried those, otherwise just use cdrecord ;) |
| 16:08.16 | Soeki | does any one know a good east coast Co-location service provider? |
| 16:08.31 | eps | east coast of which country? |
| 16:08.32 | gerard_ | tuv: just give graveman a try. It is nothing more than a frontend to cdrecord |
| 16:08.35 | Soeki | us |
| 16:08.38 | Soeki | us, east |
| 16:08.38 | eps | us what? |
| 16:08.41 | eps | america? |
| 16:08.51 | Soeki | US as in United States |
| 16:08.53 | nkuttler | elephantman: look in /lib/modules/kernelversion |
| 16:08.59 | eps | kk, look into the planet |
| 16:09.00 | eps | or.. |
| 16:09.06 | antidrugue | Nurbs: any idea how i should compile a kernel so DMA will work? |
| 16:09.08 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: well, for the PIIX DMA problems it certainly was in between those, because I've had almost every rc of the last few kernels running and that problem occured only with 2.6.14 (and some rcs before) |
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| 16:09.34 | eps | FDC servers |
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| 16:09.51 | eps | they are the only two I have access to at the moment, but both seem to keep good ping times |
| 16:09.55 | elephantman | nkuttler: how is it possible i have the 'CONFIG_SK98LIN=y' in my .config and not have it under 'lib/modules' ? |
| 16:10.05 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: not yet :) you could try libata, but that's highly experimental and might not give you all features. it also requires you to change a #define in the kernel source |
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| 16:10.13 | Soeki | any url? |
| 16:10.15 | elephantman | nkuttler: its directly inside kernel ? |
| 16:10.28 | eps | google...should be the top results for both strings |
| 16:10.39 | Soeki | yeh yeah sorry |
| 16:10.40 | gerard_ | Soeki: tried www.debian.org/mirrors yet? |
| 16:10.43 | ehrenfeu | hi, i'm looking for a possibility to _permanently_ switch off a service. i mean, 'update-rc.d -f remove' works, but when the package is updated, the previous state is restored... |
| 16:10.44 | antidrugue | ok: with 2.6.8 it was working, then i compile 2.6.13.4 with the 2.6.8 config and DMA was working... i don't believe it's magic... i'm missing something |
| 16:11.02 | antidrugue | oups... i mean WASN'T working with 2.6.8 |
| 16:11.05 | ehrenfeu | any ideas? or do i have to do this manually? |
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| 16:11.43 | Soeki | good lord... "The datacenter is %100 occupied. There should be more server space available in early 2006" |
| 16:11.51 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: one trick is to leave one of the symlinks |
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| 16:12.12 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: i e keep one of the symlinks |
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| 16:12.17 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: you mean, not removing it for all runlevels? |
| 16:12.17 | nkuttler | elephantman: no idea what that config is. maybe it's just an option for a module, not the module itself? |
| 16:12.32 | elephantman | How to remove a 'env' variable ? |
| 16:12.32 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: yes |
| 16:12.44 | elephantman | nkuttler: its a module for my Marvell Yukon card |
| 16:12.59 | elephantman | i dying on this issue |
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| 16:13.07 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: it's recently discussed on debian user mailing list |
| 16:13.20 | antidrugue | i thing i will make myself a custom 2.6.13.4 again.... should i take 2.6.8.2 config, or 2.6.14.2 config (both original Debian) ? |
| 16:13.32 | elephantman | How to delete/remove a 'env' variable (set with 'export') ? |
| 16:13.46 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: sorry, i'm not subscribed (don't have the time to read that bunch of mails...) |
| 16:14.02 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: I just browse the archive |
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| 16:14.23 | nkuttler | elephantman: /lib/modules/2.6.7-1-k7/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko |
| 16:14.25 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: ok, i'll have a look there too |
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| 16:14.40 | MatheusWeber | exit |
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| 16:14.48 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: could you point me to the appropriate subject? |
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| 16:15.12 | fly_80 | uhm, how can i set up my wireless card from installation to do a net-install ? when probing for network adapters the wireless card is not listed |
| 16:15.35 | nkuttler | elephantman: you could export var= |
| 16:16.08 | antidrugue | Nurbs: should i look in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ? |
| 16:16.23 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: eh, for what? |
| 16:16.47 | elephantman | nkuttler: there is not way to delete it ? |
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| 16:17.25 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: nov 2005 - page 2 - 'Disabling ...' |
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| 16:17.32 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: thanx |
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| 16:17.59 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: any idea if it's gonna work when using file-rc instead of sysv-rc? |
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| 16:18.12 | nkuttler | elephantman: what's the difference between 'deleted' and empty? |
| 16:18.29 | elephantman | nkuttler: just cleaner - but thanx |
| 16:18.36 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: sorry way out of my knowledge |
| 16:18.46 | antidrugue | Nurbs: i'm reading this http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/08/msg00320.html and i wonder if it's related to the fact that ide-generic load first? |
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| 16:19.15 | nkuttler | elephantman: in bash you can echo $anyrandomname |
| 16:19.22 | ehrenfeu | cahoot: ok :) so, thanks again. have a nice day... |
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| 16:19.33 | addddre | Hi, I'm using a computer and it has a little problem. It can't read from or write to the hardware clock. It says select() timed out on /dev/rtc. I'm using kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp and some Dell. |
| 16:19.48 | cahoot | ehrenfeu: ok will try ;) |
| 16:20.06 | addddre | This also affects the software, i.e., it is not 2:19 AM where I live as this reports. Setting it just has it erased on reboot. |
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| 16:23.44 | Merlin555 | How old is that hardware? |
| 16:23.47 | TNKS_ | hi all. I just noticed something that I don't remember setting up. system mail is going to my user account instead of root. Where is this set up? |
| 16:24.09 | yacc | /etc/aliases |
| 16:24.18 | yacc | probably. |
| 16:24.19 | Manimaul | Hi everyone, I'm new to Debian. Can anyone suggest a good up to date guide for learning how to build .deb kernel binaries for a somewhat novice. |
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| 16:24.46 | TNKS_ | For instance, root's mail is empty, but mine has all the "Cron," "Anacron," and Debian security stuff. |
| 16:24.49 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: hm, could be. |
| 16:24.56 | Merlin555 | yeah, or on installation, it's a question that's asked |
| 16:24.56 | caphuso | Manimaul: newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 16:25.15 | pureone | TNKS_ check /etc/aliases as yacc said |
| 16:25.16 | thingfish | !tell Manimaul about kp |
| 16:25.42 | TNKS_ | pureone, gotcha, didn't realize it was a response for me. |
| 16:25.56 | pureone | no problem :) |
| 16:25.59 | Roey | abrotman: ok |
| 16:26.00 | Manimaul | Thanks caphuso. Looks promising |
| 16:26.06 | antidrugue | nurbs: how can i change the order of the loading modules, beside /etc/modules (which doesn't help), i guest i should have "piix" loading first... |
| 16:26.20 | Manimaul | thingfish: what is kp? |
| 16:26.30 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: do you use initramfs? initrd? |
| 16:26.44 | thingfish | Manimaul: did you read what dpkg told you? It's kernel-package. |
| 16:26.46 | TNKS_ | pureone, so what package normally sets up aliases? Because I just don't remember doing this manually. |
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| 16:27.13 | Manimaul | thingfish: i believe so, I can't remember, I've read a lot in /usr/share/doc |
| 16:27.22 | caphuso | TNKS_: you don't want to receive mails as root |
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| 16:27.25 | bgat | anyone here used debootstrap to cross-bootstrap a system? |
| 16:27.26 | pureone | TNKS_ ive only seen it with exim4 |
| 16:27.28 | petemc | TNKS_: you get asked when setting up exim |
| 16:27.32 | Merlin555 | you USUALLY edit the alias file and run newaliases |
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| 16:27.46 | petemc | Merlin555: not for exim you dont |
| 16:27.50 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: for initramfs-tools: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=336103 |
| 16:27.59 | curt | took me a while but from this ½ºÅ²Á¦À۸Ŵº¾ó.txt to this ??????01.txt and back again. Not really sure if those file names even look the same on another computer |
| 16:28.06 | antgel | !tell bgat about anyone |
| 16:28.07 | Merlin555 | oh, didn't see exim |
| 16:28.08 | antidrugue | nurbs: "antidrugue: do you use initramfs? initrd?" sorry i don't know... i'm new to linux, i'm willing to learn and to work hard, which i had, but it's been 2 months |
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| 16:28.58 | bgat | antgel: point made. :) |
| 16:29.01 | Merlin555 | Anybody work with PAM lately? |
| 16:29.14 | curt | !pam |
| 16:29.15 | dpkg | methinks pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 16:29.45 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: you probably shouldn't be running sid then. what does: "dpkg --get-selections | grep -E '(yaird|initramfs|initrd)'" give you? |
| 16:29.53 | antidrugue | nurbs: yes, i have /etc/mkinitrd |
| 16:30.01 | bgat | I'm trying to use debootstrap to cross-bootstrap a non-x86 machine. I run it on my PC with --foreign --arch arm and that seems to work. on the ARM machine, however, when I do debootstrap --second-stage, nothing appears to happen. I'm pretty sure this used to work. Any ideas? |
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| 16:30.04 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 16:30.08 | ChristianP | a question: |
| 16:30.09 | Merlin555 | I know Pam is the Pluggable, I upgraded samba lately and it installed PAM and Ldap |
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| 16:30.51 | ChristianP | i had debian installed on a secondary disk, with grub installed in the primary disk |
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| 16:31.19 | cahoot | bgat: ouch you should know than 'Any ideas' tend got get the same response as 'Anyone..' ;) |
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| 16:31.26 | Merlin555 | Now I get a sqwauk on bootup that authentication services can't retrieve authentification info |
| 16:31.36 | antidrugue | nurbs: " you probably shouldn't be running sid then", mouhaha you are right about this one |
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| 16:31.53 | Genghis_ | hi |
| 16:32.12 | ChristianP | now my primary disk is broken and i want debian starts from this disk. how can i reinstall grub in this partition |
| 16:32.13 | ChristianP | ? |
| 16:32.25 | Merlin555 | I straced to su executable to find PAM at the heart of the problem |
| 16:32.29 | Genghis_ | how comes that if i do a 'who', i see users 'logged in' that logged out long time ago? |
| 16:32.34 | Genghis_ | and how can i fix this prob? |
| 16:32.35 | nkuttler | ChristianP: use a grub fluppy, rescue cd, live cd, whatever |
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| 16:32.57 | Nurbs_ | mhm, is it possible to be notified about changes of a bug report in the BTS? |
| 16:33.18 | gq_gunhed_ | ChristianP: boot from cd with kernel-parameter to reach the second drive, boot linux, and reinstall grub to other drive |
| 16:33.24 | Merlin555 | use a knoppix cd to boot on the cd and look at the system files |
| 16:33.34 | antidrugue | nurbs: yes initrd, so i change /etc/mkinitrd/modules to had "piix "? |
| 16:33.35 | TNKS_ | Does syslog subsume kern.log? |
| 16:34.06 | TNKS_ | or neither really subsume the other one? |
| 16:34.56 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: yes, and you need to build a new initrd then. mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname-r) $(uname-r) or something... |
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| 16:35.09 | Nurbs_ | eh. |
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| 16:35.22 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) $(uname -r) or something while the new kernel is running |
| 16:35.30 | antidrugue | nurbs: when compiling the kernel, i use "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-<suffix>" --revision "<revision>" --initrd kernel_image", what does it mean? the --initrd ? |
| 16:35.48 | Lilldude10 | any one use belkin router on debian |
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| 16:36.30 | TNKS_ | Lilldude10, I played around with a Belkin. Nothing crazy, but I hated the way it handled DHCP. |
| 16:36.37 | TNKS_ | So I returned it and got a Netgear. |
| 16:36.41 | Lilldude10 | what one? |
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| 16:37.03 | TNKS_ | Lilldude10, I don't remember now. Some wireless G one. Not too expensive. |
| 16:37.04 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: that it's going to build an initrd (or initramfs) kernel image (I'm not sure what exactly that changes besides trying to create an initrd, which seems stupid to me - I can't see why the package needs to know whether an initrd is going to be used) |
| 16:37.18 | ChristianP | nkuttler, is there a way to install grub from debian sarge cd? if so, what i have to do at prompt? |
| 16:37.48 | Lilldude10 | ok i see i thought it was better than my linkys dead one expesive router |
| 16:37.50 | antidrugue | nurbs: so doing mkiinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686 will override the current... no need to recompile so? |
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| 16:38.09 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: yes. |
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| 16:39.58 | antidrugue | ok... thanks for everything NURBS, great help, i'll try that |
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| 16:40.02 | sandman | Is there an OSS zork-clone game? |
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| 16:40.13 | antidrugue | exit |
| 16:40.18 | antidrugue | ciao |
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| 16:40.36 | bibe | I generated my own kernel-image .deb, adding myself to the src group and using 'fakeroot make-kpkg ... kernel_image'. I installed the .deb, rebooted and it's running perfectly. Just an "aestethical" question: why is /proc/version mentioning root@$(hostname) and not $USER@$(hostname)? |
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| 16:41.10 | laissez | Every time I want to install a web-related package, it tries to install Apache, but I'm using Lighttpd |
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| 16:41.13 | laissez | which provides httpd |
| 16:41.24 | laissez | how can I install those packages without installing apache? |
| 16:41.52 | sandman | Isnt' nethack multiplayer? |
| 16:42.01 | bibe | laissez : have a look at 'apt-cache depends <web_package>', does it mention apache or httpd ? |
| 16:42.12 | djp | when typing a command such as "cp ~/foo/foobar ~/", is it better that way or like this, "cp foo/foobar ~"? |
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| 16:42.34 | ddunham | Hello guys, question. How could I dump text from one file to another? |
| 16:42.37 | laissez | bibe: yes, it says httpd |
| 16:42.52 | ddunham | blah >> blah |
| 16:42.53 | petemc | ddunham: cat file1 >> file1 |
| 16:42.55 | ddunham | grep, cat, dum |
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| 16:42.56 | petemc | gah,. file2 |
| 16:42.56 | ddunham | cat! |
| 16:42.58 | ddunham | duh |
| 16:43.00 | laissez | bibe: and display a list of http servers |
| 16:43.04 | ddunham | thx, i couldnt remember |
| 16:43.12 | ddunham | petemc: but will that pend it, or overwrite |
| 16:43.14 | ddunham | I just wanna add |
| 16:43.16 | bibe | djp : it's the same, only be sure to be in ~ and you'll end up with a copy of foobar file in your ~ |
| 16:43.20 | petemc | ddunham: huh? |
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| 16:43.32 | laissez | bibe: how do I select one of those servers? |
| 16:43.59 | ddunham | petemc: will that put it at the end of the file |
| 16:44.03 | ddunham | I dont wnat it to overwrite |
| 16:44.04 | petemc | ddunham: >> will |
| 16:44.06 | ddunham | or put it at the top |
| 16:44.08 | ddunham | ok |
| 16:44.09 | ddunham | cool |
| 16:44.09 | ddunham | thanks |
| 16:45.02 | bibe | laissez : it depends on how the servers are listed: if the line starts with a |, then you have to choose _one_ among those listed |
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| 16:45.13 | djp | bibe, sure. thanks. i just wondered if i should be sticking to a convention? if i used my first example it would at least keep a record of where the file was copied from. also is it better to use ~/ instead of ~? i am totally new to gnu/linux and am teaching myself, but don'r want to pick up bad habits if you know what i mean ;) |
| 16:45.26 | laissez | bibe: Depends: <httpd> |
| 16:45.51 | laissez | how do i choose it then? |
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| 16:46.16 | ddunham | anyone gottne dell omsa to work on debian |
| 16:46.22 | petemc | ddunham: dont bother |
| 16:46.43 | petemc | (but, yes, i have) |
| 16:46.48 | ddunham | whys that |
| 16:46.53 | petemc | its shite from hell |
| 16:47.01 | ddunham | I agree |
| 16:47.10 | ddunham | My boss wont get off my nutz about it though |
| 16:47.18 | ddunham | I told him take it all to RH or stfu. |
| 16:47.28 | bibe | laissez : lighttpd isn't mentioned in the httpd "providers" |
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| 16:47.39 | ddunham | petemc: why do u say its shit |
| 16:47.43 | ddunham | doesnt it work just like on RH |
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| 16:48.51 | petemc | ddunham: it does, which is a big blog of a webserver that no one knows anything about, and that leaves a process in the disk wait mode all the time, giving your machine an artificially high load |
| 16:49.03 | petemc | s/blog/blob/ |
| 16:49.38 | bibe | laissez : you can install your package ignoring depends, or (better, but I honestly don't remember how to do it) telling apt that httpd is already provided |
| 16:50.39 | ddunham | blah |
| 16:50.44 | ddunham | I dont care about high loads |
| 16:50.51 | ddunham | I've got 3 dual 2.x systems w/ 8 GB RAM |
| 16:50.57 | ddunham | that are completely 100% not in use |
| 16:50.59 | ddunham | one is nagios |
| 16:51.14 | petemc | ive gone off nagios too |
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| 16:55.51 | soymilk | anyone else see "Mounting local filesystems... failed" at boot? |
| 16:56.56 | ddunham | U dont like nagios |
| 16:57.00 | fbi | soymilk: check /etc/fstab for bogus entries or typos |
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| 16:57.23 | Nirga1 | soymilk: Only on unimportant filesystems I added in /etc/fstab and should have removed ;) |
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| 16:57.53 | soymilk | fbi: i thought i had noauto to everything... |
| 16:57.56 | fbi | soymilk: check the output of 'mount -a' after you boot up and login |
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| 16:58.46 | soymilk | fbi: i just set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd... |
| 16:59.03 | fbi | soymilk: check the output of 'mount -a' after you boot up and login |
| 16:59.31 | Heimidal | can anyone tell me why exim4 would all of sudden have the following error?: 2005-11-16 08:44:54 1EcQP0-0002tv-Mt == heimidal@gmail.com R=dnslookup defer (-1): host lookup did not complete |
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| 17:01.00 | soymilk | its all set to noauto and i thought the nfs stuff there shoud be ignored... |
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| 17:02.09 | leminhteo | soymilk i think you need to check filesystem, some mounted file in fstab is incorrect |
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| 17:02.48 | soymilk | but if it says "noauto" in the entry there, mountall.sh should not care... |
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| 17:05.30 | Rawplayer | re |
| 17:05.48 | InKubus | anyone know a proxy for sid that's similar to woody's tinyproxy? |
| 17:07.04 | blaamann | I am trying to run a java demo of looking glass on my Debian stable but get this error "GLX version 1.3 or higher is required". What package am I missing ? |
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| 17:08.01 | Genghis_ | how comes that if i do a 'who', i see users 'logged in' that logged out long time ago? |
| 17:08.04 | Genghis_ | and how can i fix this prob? |
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| 17:09.18 | azeem | blaamann: you seem to lack OpenGL support |
| 17:09.26 | azeem | does glxgears e.g. work? |
| 17:09.34 | xfan | Genghis_ : study the source code of "who" |
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| 17:11.32 | antidrugue | i did work! |
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| 17:12.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | Is there a programm/script for turning a pdf file at an angle of 90° ? |
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| 17:13.11 | blaamann | azeem: glxgears works (except for the warning "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"."), but I have tracked the problem down to that I need glx 1.3 and java identified that I had only version 1.2 |
| 17:13.22 | antidrugue | i'm eternaly in debt to that man/woman Kurbs |
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| 17:13.28 | antidrugue | thanks! |
| 17:13.38 | bishop | hiya all |
| 17:13.47 | bishop | got 2 questions |
| 17:14.05 | Heimidal | is there any way to force Debian to use a different DNS server? |
| 17:14.11 | bishop | major is i cnt seem to get kernel 2.6.8 working on grub after synatic package update |
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| 17:14.21 | Nurbs_ | antidrugue: oh, nice. will try myself then X) |
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| 17:15.00 | Nurbs_ | Heimidal: change /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:15.25 | Heimidal | are there any DNS servers I can use freely? |
| 17:15.28 | antidrugue | exactly: very simple... I just hadded piix at the end of /etc/mkinitrd/modules and then mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 17:15.46 | TheCount | Heimidal: yes. |
| 17:16.00 | bishop | anyone have problem applying kernel 2.6.8? |
| 17:16.22 | beleys | Yop |
| 17:16.28 | antidrugue | kurbs: really, i can't thank you enough |
| 17:16.39 | Heimidal | TheCount: where would I find those? |
| 17:17.03 | WoodyWoodpecker | Heimidal: You can use a lot of DNS servers |
| 17:17.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^205.188.146.146 |
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| 17:17.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | One I know out of my mind |
| 17:17.17 | WoodyWoodpecker | 194.25.2.169 |
| 17:17.17 | bishop | 2nd problem is that i have a turle sound card, where can i get driver or is kernel 2.6.8 support? |
| 17:17.19 | WoodyWoodpecker | A nother one |
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| 17:17.25 | WoodyWoodpecker | 84.141.0.101 |
| 17:17.37 | WoodyWoodpecker | Better you remember some 4 ever |
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| 17:17.55 | Heimidal | thanks |
| 17:18.07 | WoodyWoodpecker | np |
| 17:18.16 | Brox | Wenn i configure my ppp connection during the debian installation it asks me what number it should dial. I dont know the Number - my DSL supplier does not mention it as far as i know. I think its hardwired in the external modem the sent me. What can i do to configure it? |
| 17:18.55 | WoodyWoodpecker | Brox: They have to give you eather a number or a username you have to use |
| 17:19.04 | Brox | i have a username |
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| 17:19.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | Normally they send it through post delivery |
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| 17:19.18 | antidrugue | krubs: just one more question.... if i want to custom compile a kernel... and i do "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-<suffix>" --revision "<revision>" --initrd kernel_image", will it generate /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686 from the current /etc/mkinitrd/modules ? |
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| 17:19.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | Brox: You are in the net anyway ? |
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| 17:20.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | Brox: Well maybe you need a number, but they must send it to you |
| 17:21.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | I got this problem of having a pdf file 90 ° wrong. Is there a programm suite managing to "turn" my file to normal ? |
| 17:21.29 | bishop | i guess i might have picked a busy timezone |
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| 17:21.59 | Brox | im in the net on my rival gentoo laptop (;)) over rppoe (adsl-setup adsl-start) - it doesnt ask me my tele. But how can i make the installer connect to the net over ppp - without having to give it my number? |
| 17:22.20 | Brox | i mean their number |
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| 17:22.38 | Supaplex | do the netinst images support atheros pcmcia wireless cards? |
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| 17:23.01 | blaamann | How do I find out what version of OpenGL I have installed or is avaiable for Debian Stable ? I have tried synaptic and a search for opengl without success |
| 17:23.08 | bishop | i have got the following error msg when insalling koffice, any1 can help me with that? |
| 17:23.10 | bishop | Removing tfm-arphic-gbsn00lp ... |
| 17:23.10 | bishop | /var/lib/dpkg/info/tfm-arphic-gbsn00lp.postrm: line 1: /usr/bin/kpsewhich: No such file or directory |
| 17:23.10 | bishop | dpkg: error processing tfm-arphic-gbsn00lp (--remove): |
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| 17:23.17 | WoodyWoodpecker | Brox: You actually have to have a number or you ISP doesn`t recognice you. If you want to set up a pppoe connection try "pppoeconf" |
| 17:23.25 | antidrugue | in short, what does adding --initrd to make-kpkg do ? i find man make-kpkg elusive on that... |
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| 17:23.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | bishop: When ever you get an error message "no such file or directory" just create it ! and retry |
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| 17:24.17 | WoodyWoodpecker | antidrug: Why don`t you want to do this by hand ? I never used make-kpkg |
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| 17:24.56 | bizkit | hi, can anyone suggest me a getting started doc about enrypted filesystems? apt..? I remotely want to resize an ext3 partition to create a new encrypted one for sensitive data |
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| 17:24.57 | Manimaul | thingfish: Thanks, kp is a nice tool. New kernel up and running. Debian is quite a nice distro. |
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| 17:25.05 | antidrugue | for the pleasure of it, really no relevant reason... just want to learn |
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| 17:25.31 | antidrugue | i know the performance issu isn't realy relevant... |
| 17:25.36 | thingfish | Manimaul: glad you found it helpful. |
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| 17:25.49 | ams_ | antidrugue: creates initird |
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| 17:26.16 | antidrugue | yes, creates initrd, but from the current /etc/mkinitrd/modules ? |
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| 17:27.34 | bishop | having problem updating kernel to 2.6.8 from 2.4 on sarge, grub would not see it? anyone have a clue? |
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| 17:27.56 | cheal | bishop: how did you update it? |
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| 17:28.14 | ams_ | antidrugue: yes |
| 17:28.20 | WoodyWoodpecker | bishop: I don`t like the kommand, but for anyone never written a menu.lst by hand .... try it: update-grub |
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| 17:29.56 | bishop | cheal: i juts use the symatic package and mark for installation |
| 17:30.07 | antidrugue | well... anyway, i'll try it... thanks everyone, have a nice day |
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| 17:30.42 | stew | bishop: do you have a postinst_hook to run update-grub in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
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| 17:31.34 | bishop | stew: not sure, newbie |
| 17:31.59 | bishop | stew: i had mine working at home with one hdd and works fine, while this system with 2 hdd |
| 17:32.42 | stew | bishop: run "pager /etc/kernel-img.conf" and see if there is a line that looks like this: postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 17:33.02 | stew | bishop: if not you should add that and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" |
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| 17:33.24 | elephantman | When you do 'make config' how can i go one question before ? |
| 17:33.33 | WoodyWoodpecker | Somone ever turned a pdf file 90° ? |
| 17:33.38 | elephantman | go to precedent question |
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| 17:34.15 | Orfeous | is it a security risc if i enable UPnP on my debian firewall? |
| 17:34.25 | bishop | stew: the line is there, now what :( |
| 17:34.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | elephantman: Why don`t you use make menuconfig ? |
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| 17:34.49 | elephantman | WoodyWoodpecker: cause i am missing some package |
| 17:34.55 | WoodyWoodpecker | Orfeous: Why should there ? PnP has nothing to do with the netfilter fragework |
| 17:35.01 | WoodyWoodpecker | ncurses5-dbg |
| 17:35.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | elephantman: ^^ |
| 17:35.25 | Supaplex | Orfeous: and it's risk. RISC is an acronym. |
| 17:35.38 | ams_ | elephantman: bad news for you. it's impossible |
| 17:35.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^ :-) |
| 17:35.42 | Orfeous | Supaplex: hmm.. |
| 17:35.57 | stew | bishop: when you run "update-grub" by hand, as root, does the 2.4 kernel you installed get listed as a found kernel? |
| 17:35.57 | sandman | When is this "authentication" issue with sid be fixed? |
| 17:36.10 | stew | sandman: what issue? |
| 17:36.17 | abrotman | ask the maintainer .. or check incoming |
| 17:36.25 | Supaplex | sandman: check bts. when it's ready. |
| 17:36.28 | bishop | stew: originally with sarge is default 2.4 |
| 17:36.40 | bishop | stew: i m trying to update to 2.6.8 |
| 17:36.56 | stew | bishop: when you run "update-grub" by hand, as root, does the 2.6 kernel you installed get listed as a found kernel? |
| 17:37.03 | sandman | Reiser4 may have just gotten my friend fired from his job. |
| 17:37.14 | abrotman | that's cause reiser sucks |
| 17:37.17 | sandman | Reiser4 destroyed a mailserver he had to run, and he may get sued. |
| 17:37.19 | bishop | never tried, does it have to root to do so? |
| 17:37.30 | elephantman | Ok, i have to install a driver that need the kernel source. The problem is that Debian R.3.1 doesn't have this kernel source |
| 17:37.40 | elephantman | How can i get it ? |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | afaiac .. he got his just desserts :) |
| 17:37.56 | stew | elephantman: it does, and you don't need kenrel source, just headers, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:38.14 | stew | elephantman: what driver? |
| 17:38.22 | Error_X | I have installed linux_logo, however, how can I set it up to display on all terminals? |
| 17:38.27 | elephantman | stew: still my Marvell Yukon Lan card |
| 17:38.36 | elephantman | stew: i am stuck with this thing |
| 17:38.44 | bishop | after typing update-grub, only found the 2.4, cant seem to find the 2.6.8 that i installed through symatic package |
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| 17:38.52 | dippo | can Sarge do software RAID setup in the install? |
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| 17:39.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | dippo: Yes |
| 17:39.04 | dippo | word |
| 17:39.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | Yes |
| 17:39.12 | stew | bishop: do you see the kernel (named vmlinuz-2.6.8...) in /boot/ ? |
| 17:39.34 | dippo | any recommendations on 2.6 versus 2.4 for sw raid reliability/performance? |
| 17:39.39 | bishop | stew: nope :( |
| 17:40.00 | stew | Error_X: you need to put the output into /etc/issue and/or /etc/issue.net and/or /etc/motd, /usr/share/doc/linux-logo should have instructions |
| 17:40.04 | stew | bishop: then you didn't install it |
| 17:40.11 | dippo | well, nevermind, it's SATA, so I'll be going with 2.6 regardless |
| 17:40.13 | stew | bishop: what cpu do you have? |
| 17:40.19 | laissez | how do I tell to apt that httpd is already provided? |
| 17:40.20 | Error_X | stew: Okey, thanks |
| 17:40.28 | bishop | stew: bad me, 450 ... :-( |
| 17:40.28 | laissez | it wants to install apache when I have lighttpd already |
| 17:40.52 | stew | bishop: 450? mhz? so petium 2 or 3? |
| 17:40.55 | elephantman | Ok i am gonna reinstall everything |
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| 17:41.01 | stew | elephantman: why? |
| 17:41.05 | nkuttler | laissez: which package want apache? |
| 17:41.08 | bishop | stew: p2 450 Dell system |
| 17:41.12 | laissez | nkuttler: phpmyadmin |
| 17:41.22 | stew | bishop: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:41.23 | bishop | stew: sorry my bad, its p3 |
| 17:41.29 | stew | same thing |
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| 17:41.47 | elephantman | stew: i deleted manually the 2.6.12 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.12 & /boot/initrd.2.6.12 debian install |
| 17:41.49 | laissez | nkuttler: any idea ? |
| 17:41.51 | nkuttler | laissez: are you running sarge? |
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| 17:42.05 | new2linux | Hi everyone . I have a problem with my sound card. Every time I restart my computer, I have to change mode for /dev/dsp to 555 and kill esd to work my sound card, even tho, as a user, I am part of the audio group on the system. could you please help me to solve this problem once and for all. thank you. |
| 17:42.08 | laissez | nkuttler: unstable |
| 17:42.16 | stew | elephantman: so why reinstall everything and not just the kernel? |
| 17:42.17 | elephantman | stew: so i don't have the kernel anymore - i can boot on the 2.6.14 but it still doesn't have the driver i need |
| 17:42.26 | nkuttler | laissez: did you check the bts? |
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| 17:42.32 | stew | elephantman: you need a driver which is not the sk98lin? |
| 17:42.40 | laissez | nkuttler: bts ? |
| 17:42.45 | nkuttler | !tell laissez about bts |
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| 17:43.02 | laissez | nop |
| 17:43.02 | elephantman | stew: i need exactly this one - but the version in <2.6.14 is not right for my card |
| 17:43.04 | nkuttler | laissez: if it hasn't been reported file a bug. incorrect dependencies. |
| 17:43.04 | laissez | is that a bug ? |
| 17:43.21 | stew | laissez: does lighttpd run php? |
| 17:43.34 | laissez | yes |
| 17:43.37 | stew | laissez: what is the package name? |
| 17:43.43 | laissez | lighttpd |
| 17:43.43 | Fabio | ola |
| 17:43.43 | elephantman | stew: i should 'apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.12....' ? |
| 17:43.53 | nkuttler | laissez: hmm... my unstable phpmyadmin says Depends: ... | httpd |
| 17:43.55 | stew | !info +lighttpd |
| 17:44.01 | elephantman | stew: cause 'dpkg -l' thinks its already there |
| 17:44.02 | lordnazgu | anyone know of a linux equivalent of dreamweaver? |
| 17:44.03 | Fabio | tem alguem ai |
| 17:44.15 | dippo | vim |
| 17:44.16 | nkuttler | Fabio: espanol? |
| 17:44.21 | stew | elephantman: yes, --reinstall, you shouldn't be deleting package owned files by hand, btw |
| 17:44.25 | dippo | (just kiddnig) |
| 17:44.29 | laissez | Depends: php4 | php4-cgi | php5 | php5-cgi, php4-mysql | php5-mysql | php5-mysqli, apache2 |
| 17:44.29 | laissez | | httpd, debconf (>= 0.2.26) | debconf-2.0, ucf (>= 0.8) |
| 17:44.36 | slept | can someone point me to a link where I can get some general information about kernel oops , google only gave me configuration specific information. I want to know what the meaning of oops 2 is. |
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| 17:44.38 | lordnazgu | well it could wor ;) |
| 17:44.39 | Fabio | nkuttler: no |
| 17:44.43 | stew | laissez: there is no package named lighttpd in debian |
| 17:44.44 | bishop | stew: after doing the aptitude, i tried doing update-grup and still not found the 2.6.8 |
| 17:44.45 | elephantman | stew: yes it was a mistake |
| 17:44.53 | elephantman | stew: using 'ln -sf' |
| 17:44.54 | bizkit | lordnazgu: there is no equivalent. use wine to run dreamwaver on linux.. |
| 17:44.57 | laissez | stew: oh, I'm using unofficial sources for lighttpd |
| 17:44.59 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 17:45.00 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:45.11 | Error_X | stew: Is there a way to run applications from /etc/issue? Or do I have to print the output of linux_logo there? |
| 17:45.18 | stew | laissez: you installed with dpkg -i ? or from sources? |
| 17:45.23 | bishop | stew: dpkg: error processing tfm-arphic-gbsn00lp (--remove) |
| 17:45.24 | lordnazgu | biskit: does it work out fairly well. ive only got dreamweaver mx 2004? |
| 17:45.35 | bishop | stew: what did i do wrong? |
| 17:45.40 | laissez | stew: what? lighttpd? |
| 17:45.41 | stew | Error_X: /etc/issue is just a text file |
| 17:45.52 | laissez | stew: via apt-get, binary sources |
| 17:45.53 | Error_X | stew: As I thought :-/ |
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| 17:45.58 | stew | bishop: dunno |
| 17:46.00 | laissez | using an unofficial source |
| 17:46.15 | bizkit | lordnazgu: sorry.. I'm writing my sites with vim. you could try wine or the new cedega, it should work |
| 17:46.18 | bishop | stew: let me try reboot and see, ttyl and thanks |
| 17:46.24 | stew | bishop: rebooting won't help |
| 17:46.28 | stew | oh well |
| 17:46.32 | nkuttler | laissez: the unofficial package probably has broken deps |
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| 17:46.45 | laissez | but.. what lighttpd has to do here |
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| 17:46.49 | Error_X | stew: So there is no other way to set up linux_logo to run at all terminal logins? |
| 17:46.52 | lordnazgu | bizkit: thx |
| 17:46.53 | blaamann | Is it recommended to use the generic nv driver when you have a nvidia card or should you use the driver from the nvidia site ? |
| 17:47.00 | nkuttler | laissez: you shouldn't be running sid if you can't fix that... |
| 17:47.05 | elephantman | i am stuck here - it says "can't download linux-image..." but its on a cd !!! |
| 17:47.09 | stew | laissez: do you have php4 installed already? |
| 17:47.14 | laissez | phpmyadmin is forcing to install Apache |
| 17:47.21 | laissez | and phpmyadmin is an official package |
| 17:47.41 | nkuttler | laissez: i guess your lighthttpd doesn't provide a httpd |
| 17:47.47 | laissez | oh |
| 17:47.55 | stew | laissez: my guess is that phpmyadmin depends on php4 which is bringing in apache becuase of libapache-php4-mod |
| 17:47.58 | stew | or whatever it is called |
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| 17:48.09 | laissez | Package: lighttpd |
| 17:48.12 | laissez | Provides: httpd, httpd-cgi |
| 17:48.18 | Heimidal | is there any way to find out the retry time of the messages in exim's queue? |
| 17:48.19 | stew | Error_X: put it in a users .bashrc |
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| 17:48.34 | stew | Error_X: or .bash_profile, whatver |
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| 17:48.38 | Error_X | k |
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| 17:48.43 | laissez | stew: yes, it seems that's the answer.. since it's trying to install php4 too, and libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 17:49.08 | laissez | The following extra packages will be installed: apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils libapache2-mod-php4 libapr0 libzzip-0-12 openssl php4 ssl-cert |
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| 17:49.27 | laissez | # php -v |
| 17:49.27 | laissez | PHP 5.0.5-Debian-0.8 (cgi-fcgi) (built: Oct 27 2005 09:47:17) (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 17:49.45 | stew | laissez: you need to install an equiv for php5 /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 17:49.53 | wubbla | hi |
| 17:50.05 | laissez | and equiv from what |
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| 17:50.07 | laissez | an |
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| 17:50.16 | laissez | for libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 17:50.18 | tonix | hi guys, a simple question...thanks: is there a way to know how many mails (and the text of the mails too) postfix sent in the last minutes? thanks a lot |
| 17:50.21 | stew | laissez: for php5 |
| 17:50.26 | wubbla | I just want to add these packages to my sources.list, how to do that? --> http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/sarge/ |
| 17:50.28 | laissez | I have php5 |
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| 17:50.45 | stew | laissez: what version does "dpkg -l php5" return? |
| 17:50.57 | saloxin | tonix: /var/log/mail.log or messages.. and no - text ain't stored |
| 17:50.58 | new2linux | how can I set the sound card to play without the need to change the mode for /dev/sda and kill esd everytime I restart my computer. I am running debian on a ibm x31 thinkpad 3.1...thank you |
| 17:51.00 | bizkit | blaamann: don't know what you're doing with your workspace.. but use the generic nv for a while and you'll see... I've used the nvidia binaries for years now and opengl apps work like a charme. for my old gf4 as fast as under windows.. the latest cards have much better support for win32.. |
| 17:51.03 | nonoo | i want to get cds from dvds |
| 17:51.03 | paxl | Euh.. Do somone have a tutorial on how to make debian recognise the essid on a wireless network connection and choose the gooe profile for it ? |
| 17:51.14 | nonoo | jigdo-file make-image --image=cd1.iso --jigdo=debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.jigdo --template=debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.template --files-from=/mnt/cdrom1 |
| 17:51.14 | nonoo | 0 der 1192 vom Template benötigten Dateien gefunden |
| 17:51.14 | nonoo | Es wird keine Image-Datei oder temporäre Datei erzeugt - versuchen Sie es mit anderen Eingabedateien |
| 17:51.27 | nonoo | can every body me help? |
| 17:51.29 | wubbla | apt-get always tries to get http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/sarge/sarge/* ... why does it add this extra /sarge/ in the path? |
| 17:51.30 | numer | does anyone know how to download a file in parallel, so that a file is beeing downloaded a bit quicker? |
| 17:51.34 | stew | paxl: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 17:51.40 | nkuttler | wubbla: man sources.list |
| 17:51.47 | bizkit | nonoo: try #debian-de |
| 17:51.53 | laissez | Package: php5.0 |
| 17:51.53 | laissez | Version: 5.0.5-0.8 |
| 17:51.57 | laissez | it's the fcgi version |
| 17:51.58 | elephantman | ok reinstalling - nothing works - I mean when i will have my system reinstalled, i download the driver, then the kernel headers, then do i have to recompile something ? |
| 17:52.01 | laissez | from unofficial sources too.. |
| 17:52.05 | saloxin | numer: fx proz - from prozilla |
| 17:52.09 | tonix | thanks saloxin |
| 17:52.09 | nonoo | thank you |
| 17:52.13 | Genghis_ | how comes that if i do a 'who', i see users 'logged in' that logged out long time ago? |
| 17:52.15 | Genghis_ | and how can i fix this prob? |
| 17:52.17 | numer | saloxin fx proz |
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| 17:52.22 | wubbla | numer: use hydranode :) |
| 17:52.30 | numer | wubbla what is hydranode? |
| 17:52.34 | stew | laissez: you need a php5 package, not a php5.0 pacakge if you installed some unofficial package named php5.0 you need an equiv named php5 |
| 17:52.39 | wubbla | numer: http://hydranode.com |
| 17:52.46 | saloxin | ew prozilla is gone :-( |
| 17:52.48 | stew | laissez: if you had a pacakge named php5 installed it wouldn't be trying to install php4 |
| 17:53.01 | saloxin | numer: someone took it out of sarge :-( |
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| 17:53.13 | wubbla | prozilla doesn't even has support for large files >4GB... |
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| 17:53.28 | laissez | stew: ok, I'm doing it..but again it tries to install apache |
| 17:53.31 | wubbla | s/has/have/ |
| 17:53.37 | laissez | when installing php5 |
| 17:53.40 | Nirga1 | Genghis_: Just an idea, check running processes owners (ps aufxw) ... |
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| 17:53.46 | numer | what is fx proz??? |
| 17:53.52 | stew | laissez: why are you installing php5? |
| 17:53.56 | stew | laissez: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 17:53.59 | wubbla | nkuttler: I tried that, but i couldn't figure it out :-( |
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| 17:54.06 | laissez | you told me that *_* |
| 17:54.11 | saloxin | numer: it meant "for eaxmaple a progmram named "proz"", but it ain't in sarge no more |
| 17:54.11 | blaamann | bizkit: Idon't know much about graphics but I thought I needed to install the driver from nvidia in order to get hardware accelration for running apps like 3ddesktop, but as I said, I don't know much about graphics at all. |
| 17:54.36 | Genghis_ | Nirga1: the users listed in who have no running processes |
| 17:54.50 | laissez | stew: so should I install equivs? |
| 17:54.56 | numer | saloxin do you have a link for it? |
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| 17:55.28 | saloxin | numer: you might try "axel" |
| 17:56.08 | stew | laissez: what version of debian is this, anyway? |
| 17:56.15 | nkuttler | wubbla: remove the trailing sarge from your sources.list |
| 17:56.16 | numer | saloxin have you got a link for axel |
| 17:56.38 | laissez | stew: debian unstable |
| 17:56.41 | saloxin | numer: apt-get install axel |
| 17:56.54 | wubbla | nkuttler: no, that doesn't work |
| 17:57.09 | nkuttler | wubbla: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 17:57.22 | stew | laissez: why aren't you using debian's php5? |
| 17:57.44 | stew | laissez: anyway, you need to use the equivs package to create a dummy php5 package |
| 17:57.46 | bishop | stew: i think i have to go manual install the package and try |
| 17:57.48 | laissez | stew: cause I wanted the fastcgi version of php5 |
| 17:57.56 | bishop | stew: of the kernel 2.6.8 |
| 17:57.59 | laissez | which is not on debian |
| 17:58.15 | wubbla | nkuttler: that doesn't work because in http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/ there's no Packages.gz |
| 17:58.25 | stew | bishop: if apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 doesn't work, you are going to need to fix that |
| 17:58.36 | bishop | stew: good call |
| 17:58.38 | wubbla | nkuttler: I know that this repository is somewhat broken... :'-( |
| 17:58.52 | nkuttler | wubbla: ah... try http://url/ ./ |
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| 17:59.39 | stew | laissez: are you sure thats not provided by php5-cgi ? |
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| 18:00.08 | wubbla | nkuttler: that's what I have in my sources.list: deb http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/sarge/ ./ |
| 18:00.32 | stew | laissez: if its not you should just be recompiling the debian php5-cgi package with the --fastcgi option enabled |
| 18:01.23 | wubbla | nkuttler: but it still tries to get: http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/sarge/sarge/binutils-m68k-linux_2.15-6_i386.deb |
| 18:01.34 | laissez | not sure really |
| 18:01.35 | laissez | dammit |
| 18:01.43 | nkuttler | wubbla: did you apt-get update? |
| 18:01.47 | laissez | i was told php-cgi != php-fcgi |
| 18:01.48 | wubbla | nkuttler: yes |
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| 18:02.11 | jepagodo | how do i list all the packages i've installed with apt-get? |
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| 18:02.23 | saloxin | jepagodo: dpkg -l |
| 18:02.25 | jepagodo | ok |
| 18:02.59 | vineet | is there a good script to convert an email containing a chain of outlook TOFU into something more sensible to be able to reply to it? |
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| 18:05.23 | laissez | stew |
| 18:05.24 | laissez | thanx |
| 18:05.28 | laissez | I installed a php5 dummy package |
| 18:05.34 | laissez | and now phpmyadmin doesnt require apache |
| 18:05.36 | laissez | :) |
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| 18:07.00 | dsteuber | Is there a canonical way to configure Debian/Sarge to boot with /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn == 1? And is it a good idea? |
| 18:07.47 | dsteuber | I thought there might be some setting for /etc/network/options but I haven't found any docs. |
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| 18:08.50 | atmo | Wow |
| 18:09.03 | mike_sol | wow? |
| 18:09.12 | atmo | lots of debian users |
| 18:09.26 | atmo | 782 people, that's a lot:) |
| 18:09.35 | mike_sol | it's inevitable |
| 18:09.55 | dsteuber | Yeah? And why has no one been able to answer my questions? |
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| 18:10.23 | mike_sol | accusing us makes us like you more |
| 18:10.24 | atmo | anyway, I'm thinking of switching to debian from NetBSD, and I wonder how I do if applictions I like to use isn't in the ports? |
| 18:10.55 | dsteuber | I'm sure it does. I haven't accused anyone though. |
| 18:11.09 | dsteuber | But I do feel the love. |
| 18:11.10 | nkuttler | atmo: debian has no ports system |
| 18:11.12 | mike_sol | atmo, if you find something which has no .deb, there's nothing to stop you from building it from source and using something like checkinstall to keep your system sane |
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| 18:11.36 | atmo | mike_sol: so I just make a .deb? with some magical application? :) |
| 18:12.09 | cahoot | dsteuber: you can put an entry to that effect in /etc/sysctl.conf - if it's wise to do so? - no idea |
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| 18:12.25 | dsteuber | Thanks. |
| 18:12.36 | dsteuber | cahoot: Is there a man on that file? |
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| 18:12.51 | Laibsch | Is it possible to delegate access to cups in such a way as to allow someone the right to cancel print jobs? |
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| 18:13.22 | dsteuber | nevermind. cat answers the question. |
| 18:13.23 | cahoot | dsteuber: on my system actually - yes - rather sparse though |
| 18:14.08 | dsteuber | I presume it's for setting the state of various things in /proc based on their name. |
| 18:15.31 | dsteuber | Hmm. perhaps /proc/sys/ to be more precise. |
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| 18:17.14 | dsteuber | OT: I am very impressed that nmap gives an accurate uptime for my system (-O) |
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| 18:17.54 | vineet | dsteuber: use /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 18:18.12 | Acoustico | hi there! there debian antousiasm! |
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| 18:18.24 | dsteuber | vineet: thanks. cahoot beat you ;-) |
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| 18:18.42 | dsteuber | np |
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| 18:19.14 | dsteuber | I'm trying to see if turning on tcp_ecn will solve a routing problem my webserver seems to have. |
| 18:19.31 | Acoustico | I would like to ask a question about debain installation when we don'T have a cd burner |
| 18:19.43 | dsteuber | What I don't know is if other systems (that aren't mine) have ECN on or not. Nor have I figured out how to find out. |
| 18:20.01 | azeem | Acoustico: tell us about it |
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| 18:20.56 | Acoustico | all the os I want to install require that you burn a cd and then install it from it |
| 18:21.15 | StrongTag | has debian testing been frozen or stalled somehow? anonftpsync hasn't been providing any updates.... |
| 18:21.19 | azeem | Acoustico: you can boot/install Debian over the network |
| 18:21.30 | StrongTag | (since Nov 9) |
| 18:21.34 | azeem | Acoustico: if you setup a dhcp daemon which serves the netboot images |
| 18:21.48 | ab | Anyone familiar with ssh keys here? |
| 18:21.51 | azeem | Acoustico: or you can boot from floppy disks and provide the installer from a USB stick |
| 18:22.02 | Acoustico | I have tryid it but I cant' have my ADSL modem working |
| 18:22.06 | bbrazil | ab: just ask your question |
| 18:22.20 | azeem | StrongTag: I heard ftp.us.debian.org has mirroring issues, are you using that? |
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| 18:22.51 | StrongTag | well, i was, i'm hunting for a new "mirror-mate" now :) |
| 18:22.52 | Acoustico | I dont't understant why it could not be possible to install from a hard drive |
| 18:23.02 | StrongTag | i'm trying ftp.debian.org right now |
| 18:23.07 | asg | Acoustico: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 18:23.27 | StrongTag | that's good to know that it's not something on our end |
| 18:23.32 | azeem | Acoustico: how do you envision installing from a hard drive? |
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| 18:24.30 | Acoustico | i'm thing about loadlin, the may problem it can read from the iso file |
| 18:24.54 | azeem | Acoustico: do you have a USB stick and a floppy disk? |
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| 18:25.07 | steven_ | !dpkg java |
| 18:25.07 | dpkg | java is probably Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 18:25.13 | Acoustico | I have a floppy, yes |
| 18:25.13 | cahoot | dsteuber: you know there's a netfilter/iptables module related to ecn - maybe digging into that can help to shed light on you probl |
| 18:25.21 | azeem | steven_: please /msg the bot |
| 18:25.25 | steven_ | azeem k |
| 18:26.49 | naphex | Hi. I'm trying to install sarge (network install) but the computer reboots randomly during the process. I checked the cd and the ram and tried with two different hard disks. I tried noapic and nolapic. The computer seems to run fine with a live CD... Is there something else to try? |
| 18:26.53 | dsteuber | cahoot: I was not aware of that. Networking is terra incognito for me. I've just noticed that the problems on the network seem to be for my box only, but the other boxes are Windows. The router is Cisco though. Multihomed to boot.. |
| 18:27.08 | Acoustico | I wonder if by some modification about loadlin it could possible to install from a hardisk? |
| 18:27.21 | dsteuber | cahoot: I don't own or have access to the other boxes. |
| 18:27.22 | azeem | naphex: maybe try linux26 to force a 2.6 kernel, in case you're booting 2.4 (or the other way round) |
| 18:27.33 | azeem | Acoustico: sounds tricky |
| 18:27.43 | dsteuber | cahoot: My server is colocated but my own hardware. |
| 18:27.56 | azeem | Acoustico: it is not a supported way to install Debian AFAIK |
| 18:27.56 | Acoustico | May need a program to convert the iso file to a gz one or something like this |
| 18:28.11 | naphex | azeem: thanks... I should have thout about that. |
| 18:28.20 | naphex | thaught |
| 18:28.30 | Acoustico | does some one in the debian teem may be instereste by this issue? |
| 18:28.31 | azeem | thought |
| 18:28.32 | azeem | :) |
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| 18:29.10 | dsteuber | cahoot: My real problem is that random people have not been able to contact my web server. For some it's intermittent. For others it seems permanent. But they can reach other IPs on the same subnet. |
| 18:29.13 | azeem | Acoustico: well, maybe Grub (or Grub2) can/will be able to boot of ISO images on a hard disk |
| 18:29.32 | azeem | Acoustico: it does not sound like a Debian installer specific issue, but rather a general thing which is out of the scope for d-i |
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| 18:29.59 | dsteuber | cahoot: When I use ssh to run a telnet style session, I sometimes get very long delays. Sometimes I can't talk to the box at all. |
| 18:30.18 | Acoustico | deteuber : where should a ask then? |
| 18:30.26 | dsteuber | cahoot: This ECN thing came to mind and I'm just shooting in the dark. |
| 18:30.40 | vineet | dsteuber: delay in existing connections, or when first connecting? |
| 18:30.49 | dsteuber | delay in existing connections. |
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| 18:31.02 | dsteuber | As if there is a brief period of high packet loss. |
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| 18:32.40 | dsteuber | According to mtr, packets going to my server take a different route than packets coming back. |
| 18:32.53 | Acoustico | dsteuber, I understant your idea, but having a general installer is also difficule because when the installer have start the linux part, the virtual device (CDrom0 would become unavailble |
| 18:33.19 | resiak | I'm using a Debian (sarge) box a NAT'ing firewall, with Shorewall. But get huge lateny issues with RealTime stuff, like ET or other online games. Is there a magic kernel I should be using? Even with nothing else running on my LAN, all other machines unplugged, ntop stopped, torrents stopped, etc. I never see a ping above 44. |
| 18:33.21 | dsteuber | Acoustico: I think you have the wrong person. |
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| 18:34.12 | Acoustico | dsteuber : ok then thank you any way; Do you know someplace where I should ask for that? |
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| 18:35.15 | dsteuber | Acoustico: I don't know what you are asking about. If it has to do with installing Debian that I've seen scroll by, I only know how to do it with a net install CD. |
| 18:35.18 | brilliance | which myth tv modules are compatible with ubuntu |
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| 18:35.36 | steven_ | anyone know a browser that *can* handle Java application |
| 18:35.57 | [Nukem] | Somebody uses QEMU here? |
| 18:36.11 | resiak | !java |
| 18:36.11 | dpkg | i heard java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 18:36.12 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 18:36.13 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 18:36.14 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:36.15 | stew | steven_: how about firefox? |
| 18:36.38 | Acoustico | I have tryed to install from a flopy and network install but wasn't able to reconyze my ADSL modem |
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| 18:36.54 | steven_ | stew firefox crashes on my java application, i installed it via java-package |
| 18:37.07 | [Nukem] | !qemu |
| 18:37.07 | dpkg | hmm... qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 18:37.12 | stew | steven_: which jre? |
| 18:37.22 | stew | steven_: have you looked at the java console for errors? |
| 18:37.26 | resiak | [Nukem]: If you have a question about it, why not just aks the question |
| 18:37.30 | steven_ | stew 1.5.0 |
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| 18:37.39 | stew | steven_: i assume you mean applet and not application, right? |
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| 18:37.49 | nvz | oh well no point in lying in bed anymore.. I've been there for almost 3 hours and havent slept yet |
| 18:37.52 | stew | steven_: have you tried running it in appletviewer? |
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| 18:37.59 | steven_ | stew java console? the java applet is launched from a website |
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| 18:38.23 | [Nukem] | How to use a printer, in windows under qemu |
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| 18:38.47 | nvz | I need to whip up a one-liner to read the filenames off my mp3 player's external memory and then copy them to the internal memory (but from my music folder on my pc not from the mp3 player because its too slow that way :P) |
| 18:38.57 | datix | whats the debian channel for amd64, /list is being lame |
| 18:39.02 | steven_ | stew btw when i look at the output of about:plugins in ff is say's Java(TM) Plugin 1.5.0_05 |
| 18:39.11 | nvz | !amd64 |
| 18:39.11 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:39.23 | nvz | datix: this is why we have bots :) |
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| 18:39.25 | stew | steven_: you can enable the console from /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/bin/ControlPanel |
| 18:39.50 | stew | steven_: but you should probably just get it running from appletviewer first |
| 18:39.53 | Acoustico | ok, another question? |
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| 18:40.12 | nvz | Acoustico: sure, what color are my underwear? |
| 18:40.15 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:40.35 | Acoustico | lol |
| 18:40.42 | nvz | hmm, I guess I have to plug in the USB storage device before I can mount it.. |
| 18:40.44 | steven_ | stew appletview? :-) |
| 18:40.44 | mike_sol | blue |
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| 18:40.52 | nvz | mike_sol: where are you hiding at? |
| 18:41.02 | mike_sol | under your desk |
| 18:41.09 | nvz | damn, I knew it |
| 18:41.12 | stew | steven_: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/bin/appletviewer /path/to/webpage.html |
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| 18:41.24 | steven_ | stew thanks |
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| 18:41.39 | stew | steven_: err, actually that can be just run from /usr/bin if you alternatives are correctly set |
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| 18:42.29 | steven_ | stew looks like i don't have a file called appletview on my hdd |
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| 18:42.38 | steven_ | s/appletview/appletviewer |
| 18:42.50 | stew | steven_: did you install a jre or a jdk? |
| 18:42.52 | Acoustico | Does someone know i can do some trick wth grub to simulate a virtual cd, it would be possible then for linux to reconize these virutal device and use it for install? |
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| 18:43.03 | mike_sol | Acoustico, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:43.03 | steven_ | stew jre |
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| 18:43.25 | stew | steven_: if you only installed a jre then you woulnd't have appletview, in that case turn on the java console so you can see stderr and stdout when you run your applet in firefox |
| 18:43.33 | Acoustico | mike_sol : an hard disk installer |
| 18:43.48 | steven_ | stew okee i'll install the SDK instead |
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| 18:43.50 | mike_sol | Acoustico, afaik debian installer can get its files from a hard drive partition |
| 18:44.01 | mike_sol | at least it could in older versions |
| 18:44.09 | stew | steven_: you might consider trying it in 1.4.2 as well |
| 18:44.18 | Acoustico | even in the installation part? |
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| 18:44.30 | mike_sol | i think so, all you need is basedebs.tar |
| 18:44.40 | stew | Acoustico: read the install guide |
| 18:44.46 | mike_sol | and once you're past that you just install whatever you want from the network or a CD |
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| 18:45.03 | Acoustico | 1.4.2 can install from the hard drive? |
| 18:45.11 | dsteuber | cahoot, vineet: Thanks for your time and help. I need to go now. If turning on ECN doesn't fix things, I'll chase a different wild goose. |
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| 18:45.16 | stew | Acoustico: 1.4.2 of what? |
| 18:45.18 | mike_sol | i'm not sure. but why do you have to do it this way |
| 18:45.28 | _ipxnc | Hello!! |
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| 18:45.39 | lordnazgu | is there any way to salvage the data on a usb flash drive that was not unmounted? |
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| 18:45.53 | mike_sol | lordnazgu, what fs, and what kind of data |
| 18:45.59 | lordnazgu | fat 16 |
| 18:46.27 | Acoustico | stew : Debian? |
| 18:46.28 | lordnazgu | mike: just random stuff i was trying to avoid reformatting it |
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| 18:46.37 | mike_sol | there are a million tools out there for that but i don't know of a particular one to reccommend. i would, before doing anything, dd it to a file as a backup |
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| 18:46.48 | stew | Acoustico: there never was a 1.4.2 version of debian, the current version is 3.1 |
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| 18:47.11 | _ipxnc | I have problem with starting ssh via /etc/init.d/ssh start, the debug says following: http://ppersk.org/debug.txt |
| 18:47.13 | bizkit | anyone knows the maximum size of a container i can create with dd and use with loop-aes? using a 2.6 kernel and largefile support |
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| 18:47.47 | vineet | _ipxnc: looks like it worked |
| 18:47.52 | mike_sol | _ipxnc, when / if you try to connect, do you get an error? |
| 18:48.02 | mike_sol | try netstat -a or nmap localhost |
| 18:48.10 | _ipxnc | no, but when I close the ssh session it just resets. |
| 18:48.15 | bizkit | and what about the speed difference between e.g. a 50G container looped virtual filesystem versus a 50G aes enrypted 'real' filesystem |
| 18:48.19 | stew | bizkit: my complete wild ass guess wouold be 16TB |
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| 18:48.28 | vineet | _ipxnc: anything logged when the server dies? |
| 18:48.33 | ab | Ok I run 'ssh-keygen -t dsa' select no passphrase ; then try to login to localhost with the user I put sshkey in ~ ; and I still prompts me for a pass? Hmm maybe the article I am follow is wrong? Am I missing something? |
| 18:48.49 | vineet | ab: the key goes in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 18:48.51 | _ipxnc | after executing /etc/init.d/ssh start and running netstat -il |grep 22, it returns nothing, nmap 127.0.0.1 -p 22 too |
| 18:48.56 | vineet | ab: (the public key) |
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| 18:48.57 | stew | bizkit: but the size of a file you could create is dependent on your filesystem |
| 18:48.59 | asg | ab: put the publick key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 18:49.02 | bizkit | stew: i'm new to this, the problem is not just creating this large container, but looping it through loop-aes |
| 18:49.06 | mike_sol | bizkit, assuming you create the big empty file first, it should be similar speed - there won't be any fragementation. there may be some overhead, but not excessive |
| 18:49.13 | asg | ab: also, make sure the perms are 700 and 600 on dir and file respectively |
| 18:49.27 | vineet | _ipxnc: that should be netstat -ntl, not -il |
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| 18:49.45 | _ipxnc | vineet: it works in the debug version (made for one connection), but when executing /etc/init.d/ssh start, the ssh server won't start |
| 18:50.06 | xfan | _ipxnc : tray this : sshd |
| 18:50.16 | _ipxnc | a |
| 18:50.16 | bizkit | mike_sol: do you know loop-aes? which fs do you suggest to use within the container? |
| 18:50.24 | mike_sol | bizkit, no, sorry |
| 18:50.31 | mike_sol | but i am a huge reiserfs fanboy |
| 18:50.34 | bizkit | mike_sol: i guess a journaling one wont work? |
| 18:50.40 | mike_sol | i don't see why not |
| 18:50.51 | _ipxnc | xfan: the sshd doesnt work :/ |
| 18:50.54 | stew | bizkit: there is some newer package that makes creating encrypted volumes much easier, but its name is escaping me |
| 18:51.11 | _ipxnc | I think "socket: Address family not supported by protocol" is the problem.. does nayone know what that means? |
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| 18:51.27 | bizkit | stew: you mean dm-crypt with the interface in kernel 2.6? |
| 18:51.31 | xfan | are you as "root" ? |
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| 18:51.45 | abrotman | mike_sol: see sandman's comments above :) |
| 18:51.46 | stew | bizkit: that was it |
| 18:51.55 | bizkit | stew: i've read loop-aes to be much faster and safer if using 256bit |
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| 18:52.00 | xfan | _ipxnc : are you root ? |
| 18:52.08 | stew | bizkit: you know more than I then |
| 18:52.16 | nvz | hmm.. ls /mnt/e/*.mp3 | cut -d \/ -f 4 | while read filename; do mv /srv/samba/guest/Music/$filename /mnt/i; done or find /mnt/e -name *.mp3 -printf "%f\n" | xargs --replace=foo mv /srv/samba/guest/Music/foo /mnt/i ... man if I keep thinking I could probably come up with something better than that |
| 18:52.21 | bizkit | stew: i don't care if i need 2 hours or 1 to setup ;) |
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| 18:52.42 | nvz | that last one is good though.. I learned new uses for find and xargs there. |
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| 18:53.13 | abrotman | erm .. any of you know a site that sells miniatx(amd?) and miniitx machines/hardware ? |
| 18:53.22 | nvz | I am assuming both pieces of code execute the same in any situation :P |
| 18:53.29 | Acoustico | ok, I guest this is not the debian developper chanel. Do someone know if there's another chanel for that? |
| 18:53.35 | mike_sol | nvz, it's awk time |
| 18:53.53 | nvz | I dont know any awk |
| 18:53.56 | bizkit | is there a cryptography channel anywhere? I'm looking for some experienced loop-aes users.. |
| 18:53.59 | nvz | I learned cut and grep |
| 18:54.00 | rdrs | hello! I'm stuck with a broken coreutils package, can't remove or install anything |
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| 18:54.08 | _ipxnc | xfan, yes :/ |
| 18:54.12 | mike_sol | awk is glourious and i spent a week working on it at school. never again |
| 18:54.13 | azeem | Acoustico: as I said, your issue is out of scope for the Debian installer, IMHO |
| 18:54.15 | nvz | and thats the most (likely the first) I've used find or xargs |
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| 18:54.25 | azeem | Acoustico: but you can try in #debian-boot, the installer developers are in there |
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| 18:54.29 | mike_sol | rdrs: define broken. does dpkg work? |
| 18:54.30 | nvz | I've been using linux for nearly a decade and havent imbraced gnu find or xargs |
| 18:54.32 | jyoung | hey.. install of autex did not set it up for xemacs21 but did for emacs21, any ideas where I could ask for help? |
| 18:54.33 | nvz | I figured I |
| 18:54.36 | rdrs | dpkg works |
| 18:54.36 | dpkg | methinks works is something I am |
| 18:54.37 | nvz | 'd try using them here |
| 18:54.50 | rdrs | but coreutils always returns error when installing |
| 18:54.57 | rdrs | or re-installing |
| 18:55.03 | azeem | rdrs: in unstable? |
| 18:55.10 | rdrs | azeem: yep |
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| 18:55.22 | bbrazil | nvz: cd /mnt/e; for i in *.mp3; do mv /srv/samba/guest/Music/$i /mnt/$i; done |
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| 18:55.28 | xfan | _ipxnc : thats very strange |
| 18:55.37 | _ipxnc | YES! |
| 18:55.43 | Acoustico | azeem: : Thanks alot |
| 18:55.57 | nvz | bbrazil: yeah ;) I could have eliminated complexity in any of them by being in the dir |
| 18:56.01 | rdrs | the message is 'no such file or directory for Basics' |
| 18:56.09 | bbrazil | nvz: assumes no spaces in $i - if there are use "$i" |
| 18:56.26 | nvz | bbrazil: so far find+xargs seems the neatest to me.. but its either a loop or a pipe |
| 18:56.37 | nvz | there are definatly spaces |
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| 18:56.57 | nvz | my music filenames are in the format (Artist Name)Track Name.mp3 |
| 18:57.10 | mike_sol | nvz, what exactly are you doing? trying to rename tracks in bash? |
| 18:57.11 | nvz | there can be spaces between words in either field |
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| 18:57.55 | nvz | no I put my music on my 256mb flash card by accident, and wanted to move it to the internal memory.. but I dont want to copy from flash to flash.. takes too long.. so I am reading the filenames and copying them back off the hd, then removing them |
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| 18:58.11 | nvz | getting shell exercize in the process :P |
| 18:58.19 | nvz | I could just do it.. but that would be too easy |
| 18:58.21 | mike_sol | i'd go with for, then. it's proably the best |
| 18:58.31 | rdrs | azeem, mike_sol: it'a the first time I come against a broken essential package |
| 18:58.32 | mike_sol | bbrazils oneliner looked alright |
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| 18:58.59 | mike_sol | rdrs, so you can't just dpkg -i coreutils.???.deb over top? |
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| 18:59.03 | nvz | I am partial to the find+xargs, just because I am proud of myself for finally using two of the finer gnu utils for something :P |
| 18:59.11 | nvz | and it only uses two commands |
| 18:59.17 | mike_sol | xargs is, in fact, bitchin |
| 18:59.26 | rdrs | mike_sol: I tried that, and even with --force-overwrite |
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| 18:59.40 | rdrs | mike_sol: but always the same error |
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| 19:00.01 | bbrazil | nvz: but that'll require n mv commands, ess than that is possible if you use the --target-directory of mv |
| 19:00.03 | mike_sol | what exactly is the error msg |
| 19:00.06 | bbrazil | *less |
| 19:00.08 | pjz | is there a HOWTO on setting up some kind of bsd-ish client to talk to an IPP-enabled printer? |
| 19:00.25 | mike_sol | pjz, you'll want the cupsys-bsd package |
| 19:00.29 | mike_sol | maybe |
| 19:00.31 | fbi | abrotman: pcclub.com has a limited selection of mATX motherboards and combo kits |
| 19:00.43 | rdrs | mike_sol: 'error processing coreutils (--configure)' |
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| 19:01.11 | rdrs | mike_sol: 'install-info: No such file or directory for Basics' |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | fbi: but the trick is the miniitx .. i want an eden system i think |
| 19:01.24 | foo | I have a bash script I want to run when the system starts. Where do I put it ? |
| 19:01.28 | mike_sol | i guess you'll have to narrow down what exactly is broken in your coreutils, maybe there is some kind of debugging output for dpkg? |
| 19:01.37 | fbi | abrotman: weren't you already building one of those? |
| 19:01.43 | azeem | rdrs: when is this, when configuring corutils? |
| 19:01.50 | pjz | mike_sol: so I found and installed that but how do I configure it with where my IPP printer is? |
| 19:01.58 | abrotman | fbi: no .. i'm looking at parts .. but i may order a miniatx mahcine at the same time(xmas is just around the corner) |
| 19:02.11 | rdrs | mike_sol: mmm, I only get 'dpkg returned an error code (1)' |
| 19:02.40 | rdrs | azeem: I ran dselect in my unstable, to update before installing some stuff I needed |
| 19:02.42 | mike_sol | pjz, you install cupsys-bsd on the server, and then the clients can just use lpr. unless the server isn't using cups; in that case, you set up cups on your own machine to talk to the remote printer by ipp, and lpr jobs can be submitted to your machine as a proxy |
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| 19:02.57 | mike_sol | pjz, assuming you have cups, browse to http://localhost:631 |
| 19:03.07 | mike_sol | or http://server:631 |
| 19:03.13 | azeem | rdrs: this doesn't help, is this when configuring coreutils or another package? |
| 19:03.14 | rdrs | azeem: and it never finished, because after downloadinf and configuring a number of packages it broke down on coreutils |
| 19:03.34 | azeem | rdrs: run dpkg --configure -a, does it trigger the same error? |
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| 19:03.48 | rdrs | azeem: a moment, please |
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| 19:04.22 | nvz | mike_sol: yeah I had to RTFM to find the --replace option.. which made that possible |
| 19:04.29 | rdrs | azeem: yes, same thing |
| 19:04.35 | azeem | rdrs: so where? |
| 19:04.39 | azeem | while configuring corutils? |
| 19:04.44 | azeem | coreutils, even |
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| 19:04.50 | pjz | mike_sol: how do I tell the clients where the server is? |
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| 19:05.13 | rdrs | azeem: setting up coreutils (5.93-4) ... |
| 19:05.21 | rdrs | dpkg: error processing coreutils (--configure): |
| 19:05.21 | rdrs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.21 | rdrs | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:05.21 | rdrs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.25 | secureroot | fd |
| 19:05.27 | secureroot | lol |
| 19:05.33 | fericitu_ | who know the path for perl 5 in debian |
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| 19:05.50 | secureroot | mama da cate banuri |
| 19:05.51 | abrotman | fbi: it seems i get one or the other .. not both |
| 19:05.52 | secureroot | unde esti fericitule ? |
| 19:06.00 | fericitu_ | secureroot esti ro |
| 19:06.06 | fericitu_ | paris |
| 19:06.06 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:06.08 | secureroot | nu tigan |
| 19:06.09 | secureroot | ) |
| 19:06.13 | fericitu_ | :)) |
| 19:06.15 | secureroot | ;:) |
| 19:06.20 | asg | fericitu_: what path? |
| 19:06.27 | fericitu_ | unde ii sau ii instalat perl in debian |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | !fr |
| 19:06.41 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 19:06.52 | fericitu_ | vreau sa inst webmin |
| 19:06.56 | azeem | rdrs: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/coreutils.postinst |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | !tell ka1 about root |
| 19:07.09 | rdrs | azeem: will do, a moment |
| 19:07.12 | azeem | rdrs: for redirected output to /dev/null, for example |
| 19:07.20 | azeem | or anything else which could fail |
| 19:07.23 | nvz | ack my find+xargs code didnt work on a test with find /mnt/e -name *.mp3 -printf "%f\n" | xargs echo" xargs barfed on the newline after (Tim McGraw)She's My Kind Of Rain.mp3 it doesnt like unmatched single qoutes. I guess (SHeDAISY)Don't Worry 'Bout A Thing.mp3 is valid, but I am not sure how it would parse matched single quotes |
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| 19:08.32 | mike_sol | anybody know much about color correction / color-meter stuff for linux/ i'm color calibrating all the macs here and wouldnt mind getting a couple of the debian boxen too |
| 19:08.32 | rdrs | azeem: well, there's an argument to install-info refering to '\QBasics\E' |
| 19:08.40 | azeem | aha |
| 19:08.50 | nvz | so I need something that doesnt mind spaces, single qoutes, parenthesis.. and I think thats the only things strange in my music filenames |
| 19:08.57 | azeem | rdrs: do you still have install-info around? |
| 19:09.09 | nvz | though I would like to know how to fix the find+xargs code |
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| 19:09.39 | nvz | I am not sure why xargs interprets single quotes from stdin |
| 19:09.49 | rdrs | azeem: do you mean, the program? I don't recall either installing or uninstalling.. |
| 19:09.55 | azeem | yes |
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| 19:10.08 | azeem | /usr/sbin/install-info --help |
| 19:10.19 | rdrs | azeem: well, it still figures in my database.. |
| 19:10.36 | rdrs | azeem: and it works |
| 19:10.36 | azeem | rdrs: try to run that install-info line in the postinst manually |
| 19:10.43 | rdrs | azeem: will do |
| 19:10.51 | ams_ | nvz: find /mnt/e -name *.mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 19:11.16 | rdrs | azeem: here's the line: install-info --quiet --section "\QBasics\E" "Basics" /usr/share/info/coreutils.info |
| 19:11.45 | azeem | rdrs: maybe remove that --quiet to get a better error message |
| 19:12.13 | fericitu_ | who know wher is inst. Perl 5 in debian ... |
| 19:12.14 | nvz | ams_: I am not sure I can use print0 it makes it show the whole absolute path.. and I need just the filenames in xargs |
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| 19:12.34 | rdrs | azeem: output is 'No such file or directory for Basics', same as before |
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| 19:12.41 | nvz | ams_: I used printf to take out the files path |
| 19:12.44 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 19:12.47 | rdrs | azeem: does it mean I dont have that section?? |
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| 19:12.54 | bsims | I know that I do file save as HTML with an openoffice doc, is there a commandline tool that will do the same thing with the new doc format? |
| 19:12.54 | elephantman | I managed to put another network card in my computer |
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| 19:13.03 | fericitu_ | who know wher is inst. Perl 5 in debian ... |
| 19:13.03 | rdrs | azeem: but thats rather odd.. |
| 19:13.15 | fericitu_ | who know where is inst. Perl 5 in debian ... |
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| 19:13.33 | stew | fericitu_: dpkg -L perl |
| 19:13.39 | elephantman | But now i have eth0 up - but i can't ping anything, it always say : 'NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out' |
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| 19:13.43 | elephantman | What can this be |
| 19:13.44 | fericitu_ | thx stew |
| 19:13.44 | nvz | fericitu_: please dont repeat. we understand. |
| 19:13.54 | elephantman | At least i have 'eth0' when i 'ifconfig' |
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| 19:14.08 | nvz | fericitu_: they've been dealing with a yinzer like myself for half a decade.. they can handle a typo |
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| 19:14.19 | ams_ | nvz: find /mnt/e -name *.mp3 -printf '%f\000' | xargs -0 echo |
| 19:14.28 | Van-AtWork | elephantman: tell me what it said in ifconfig |
| 19:15.02 | elephantman | Van-AtWork: eth0 & lo is present |
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| 19:15.10 | elephantman | Van-AtWork: what else do u want to know ? |
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| 19:15.20 | azeem | rdrs: it seems to confuse the "Basics" with the following info filename |
| 19:15.32 | bsims | Ahhh /me loves screen and PuTTY... |
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| 19:15.57 | elephantman | Van-AtWork: eth0 is 192.168.1.2 |
| 19:16.06 | elephantman | Van-AtWork: and i can 'ping 192.168.1.2' |
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| 19:17.01 | azeem | rdrs: what does 'which install-info' say? |
| 19:17.06 | elephantman | I have to speed up my internet computer will be gone in 1hour |
| 19:17.08 | nvz | ams_: interesting... the xargs -o alone with printf "%f\n" works but gives me an extra newline I dont need |
| 19:17.20 | elephantman | I will be by myself |
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| 19:17.36 | rdrs | azeem: /usr/local/bin/install-info |
| 19:17.40 | azeem | rdrs: aha! |
| 19:17.40 | nvz | ams_: what you gave me uses a space to separate filenames it seems, if I take out echo and want to pass those filenames one at a time into mv I dont think it will work? |
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| 19:17.45 | azeem | rdrs: where is that from? |
| 19:17.46 | Lumpi | abend |
| 19:17.51 | elephantman | I am reading its a 'full_duplex=1' problem - How do i do that ? |
| 19:17.51 | Lumpi | oh |
| 19:17.52 | rdrs | azeem: gotcha |
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| 19:18.07 | azeem | rdrs: dpkg's install-info is different to GNU's |
| 19:18.21 | rdrs | azeem: exactly, this one belongs to TeXlive |
| 19:18.24 | azeem | so either remove the one in /usr/local or edit the postinst to call /usr/sbin/install-info |
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| 19:18.42 | rdrs | azeem: wiil do, brb |
| 19:18.48 | ams_ | nvz: what do you want to do? move all files to another place? |
| 19:19.07 | nvz | ams_: I want to match filenames from A and move those filenames from B to C |
| 19:19.18 | nvz | ams_: and I am trying to learn about find and xargs in the process. |
| 19:19.19 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:20.21 | rdrs | azeem: working like a charm! I'll need to look into the docs on Texlive |
| 19:20.21 | nvz | I could have moved them from A to C by now, when my point was to do it quicker from B to C because A and C are USB1 flash devices.. but I got caught up in deciding on how to do it :P |
| 19:20.22 | AndroFlux | nvz: For find+xargs to work with special characters in the filename, you want "find -print0 | xargs -0 foobar" |
| 19:20.46 | nvz | AndroFlux: I cant use print0 because it gives me the absolute path and I just want the filenames |
| 19:20.49 | rdrs | azeem: could you point me to a doc explaining how debian gives precedence to commands? |
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| 19:21.15 | rdrs | azeem: I suppose the install-info in sbin shouldn't be confused with this one |
| 19:21.23 | nvz | AndroFlux: I dont want to move files from their current location, I just want it to look at what files are there, and copy them from their master copies in another dir |
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| 19:21.55 | nvz | AndroFlux: I got thousands of mp3s in a folder and about 40 on my flash card.. I want to see whats on there, and copy them to another device from the music dir |
| 19:22.25 | ams_ | nvz: it's simplier to write a helper script |
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| 19:23.04 | nvz | ams_: I think one of the for or while loops earlier would do it.. I am just trying to see how much I can bend find and xargs so in the future I will use them instead of more complicated solutions |
| 19:23.09 | abrotman | !tell ____root_ about root |
| 19:23.27 | Zub | hello, i'm using sid. when i run openoffice2 with "oowriter" under icewm, it runs with the default iconset, what do i need to run it with the "nice" icons of the gnome-integrated version? |
| 19:23.40 | rdrs | azeem: and many thanks for the help: obrigado, gracias, danke, grazie, merci, spaciba bolshoi |
| 19:23.56 | azeem | rdrs: I filed a bug that the postinst should call /usr/sbin/install-info explicitely |
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| 19:24.16 | abrotman | how'd the 'e' get in there ? |
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| 19:24.35 | brian_ | ls |
| 19:24.39 | brian_ | there we go |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | porn/ |
| 19:24.50 | ab | if I set a ssh-key to where I can ssh to the same machine without password prompt, how can I set it so I can login from remote host as user and have no password prompt? |
| 19:24.51 | rdrs | azeem: yes, it makes sense to me |
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| 19:25.12 | brian_ | is there a dpkg command for completely removing removing x-window-server and xserver-xorg??? |
| 19:25.13 | asg | ab: put the remote user's public key in your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file |
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| 19:25.20 | asg | !remove x |
| 19:25.20 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 19:25.24 | ams_ | nvz: find /location_A -name *.mp3 -printf '/location_B/%f\000' | xargs -0 mv --target-dir=/location_C |
| 19:25.38 | nvz | ams_: AndroFlux not to mention find /mnt/e -name *.mp3 -print0 or find . -name *.mp3 -print0 from the dir, both give me find: invalid predicate on the first filename seems to not like parenthesis I guess |
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| 19:26.09 | abrotman | !remove x =~ s#sid#sid/etch# |
| 19:26.09 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 19:26.24 | abrotman | erm .. that's right .. i hope |
| 19:26.25 | ams_ | nvz: use find . -name '*.mp3' |
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| 19:26.30 | LeScout | hello |
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| 19:27.38 | brian_ | is there a way to remove all traces of x-window-system and xserver-xorg so i can reinstall them cleanly? |
| 19:27.55 | fbi | you were just told. |
| 19:27.55 | ams_ | brian_: apt-get remove --purge |
| 19:28.01 | rdrs | exit |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | !remove x |
| 19:28.02 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 19:28.19 | nvz | ams_: thats the stuff right there ;) |
| 19:28.31 | abrotman | fbi: i've never smoked a brownie |
| 19:28.31 | brian_ | mmmmmm..... weeeeeeed.... |
| 19:28.37 | fbi | weird, i always use "remove --purge" but i guess it doesn't matter |
| 19:28.48 | fbi | abrotman: you don't know what you are missing |
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| 19:28.56 | ams_ | nvz: hmm? it works? |
| 19:28.59 | abrotman | fbi: i've done it with mushrooms though :) |
| 19:29.20 | fbi | ew. mushrooms taste like turds covered in burnt hair |
| 19:29.30 | nvz | ams_: unfortunatly I got like 123MB of mp3 on the A and C only has 122MB total :P |
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| 19:29.34 | abrotman | fbi: they are |
| 19:29.55 | ams_ | nvz: gzip |
| 19:29.59 | nvz | ams_: which is probably why I put them on B to begin with.. but I want most of them on C anyhow |
| 19:30.09 | nvz | ams_: my player cant gunzip on the fly |
| 19:30.19 | nvz | ams_: cant even play ogg afaik |
| 19:30.22 | nvz | never tried it |
| 19:30.37 | ams_ | nvz: it can |
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| 19:31.07 | nvz | ams_: what makes you so sure? |
| 19:31.07 | WiFiTux | how come ftpd has no configuration file? |
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| 19:31.15 | ams_ | nvz: you can create a named pipe and decompress the file into it. the player will reads from the other side |
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| 19:31.29 | nvz | ams_: this is a portable mp3 player |
| 19:31.30 | abrotman | WiFiTux: which ftpd ? |
| 19:31.44 | ams_ | nvz: :) ok, i get it |
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| 19:31.50 | WiFiTux | abrotman: the apt-get install ftpd |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | !depends ftpd |
| 19:32.00 | LeScout | why apt-get install java doesn't work? |
| 19:32.00 | dpkg | ftpd: depends on netbase, libpam-modules, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libpam0g (>= 0.76) |
| 19:32.01 | mrgenixus | I'm having a little trouble with module-assistant, it seems that I can't select packages interactively, to be compiled, can anyone explain what's happening? |
| 19:32.10 | abrotman | WiFiTux: nice .. nfc .. dpkg -L |
| 19:32.40 | fbi | !tell LeScout about java-package |
| 19:32.58 | mrgenixus | heh heh |
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| 19:33.58 | nvz | ams_: the thing is, it has 128MB internal memory and I have a 256mb flashcard in there too.. I've been using it to take games to work and play on the pc.. well I figure I might as well use the external memory for games as it will be writing back.. flash eventually wears out.. I'd rather the removable wear first :P |
| 19:34.19 | LeScout | thanks |
| 19:34.24 | nvz | the removable media is slightly cheaper than a new mp3 player |
| 19:34.39 | nvz | I doubt the player works once the internal memory burns out :P |
| 19:34.55 | mrgenixus | hello? |
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| 19:35.08 | LeScout | but when i follow theses instructions, it doesn't work neither |
| 19:35.11 | nvz | becomes a pocket flash drive after that I figure |
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| 19:35.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman: /etc/pam.d/ftp strange. |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:35.52 | ams_ | nvz: you can reduce a sound quality a bit and it will take smaller place |
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| 19:36.44 | berkes | oi! |
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| 19:37.03 | nvz | ams_: its not a big deal, I just put one song onto the external memory. I just want most of the music on the internal, and any extra on the external.. I want the external used for games is the point, and I filled it up with music when the internal had over 100MB free |
| 19:37.20 | berkes | I am hunting for the commqndline apt magic to get a list of the biggest packages on my system, any hints? |
| 19:37.22 | Lextier | Hi all whats the best ssl package for Apache 2 |
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| 19:37.50 | nvz | sooner or later I will get my own portable pc and just keep my software on there.. I wont have to run my software off my mp3 player on the pc at work |
| 19:38.20 | berkes | nvz: nokia 770 ? |
| 19:38.21 | p30n | i got a problem with hddtemp, ide drive measuring is fine, but on the fasttrak sata controller card i dont get the information |
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| 19:38.29 | nvz | berkes: ? |
| 19:38.33 | p30n | even tho my hdds have sensor |
| 19:38.36 | nvz | berkes: Indy 500? |
| 19:39.08 | asg | Lextier: apache 2 comes with the ssl module |
| 19:39.41 | abrotman | nvz: nokia.com/770 |
| 19:40.15 | nvz | abrotman: whats that got to do with the price of tea in china? |
| 19:40.17 | berkes | nvz: its portable, and runs debian |
| 19:40.34 | abrotman | nvz: portable pc |
| 19:40.53 | nvz | berkes: ah. can you get one for less than $400 and does it have a sufficent storage capabilities? |
| 19:41.30 | abrotman | nvz: read it .. |
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| 19:41.59 | nvz | abrotman: I got one foot ou the door, and no browser running.. I am not in the mood to read websites right this minute |
| 19:42.02 | berkes | nvz: yes an dunno |
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| 19:42.13 | berkes | nvz: it /does/ rule big time though |
| 19:42.17 | abrotman | nvz: will be $360 .. and you can use your own storage cards for additional storage |
| 19:42.21 | nvz | grr.. that damn song I encoded in ogg |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | nvz: Expansion Memory Slot: 64MB RS-MMC (Reduced Size - MultiMediaCard) |
| 19:42.43 | Coke | Hello everybody. I have a perfectly working USB joystick (looks good in jscalibrate) and I choose SDL joystick, but only the buttons work, any ideas why? When I try to configure the controls, my joystick gives no readings in the UI at all. |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | though .. doesn't play ogg for some damn reason |
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| 19:43.26 | nvz | berkes: I'll look into it.. so far I have only really looked at laptops Apple G3's and x86 ones, and the sharp zaurus line within the $150-$400 price range |
| 19:43.39 | Lextier | asg: How do I enable it Port 443 is not running. |
| 19:44.05 | nvz | berkes: I've been leaning toward buying a used/refurb iBook probably like a G3 800mhz 256MB ram Airport, 20gb.. for like $350-$400 |
| 19:44.10 | berkes | so, no one here knows a commandline arg or so to sort all my installed apps by size? |
| 19:44.22 | abrotman | berkes: there's a way ... hrm |
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| 19:45.23 | asg | Lextier: you enable ssl, edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf. Get the apache2-doc package and /usr/share/doc/apache2/* for more info. |
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| 19:47.34 | abrotman | berkes: you can easily write a script .. |
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| 19:47.47 | nvz | berkes: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | --code to sort out just package names-- | while loop; apt-cache show package | grep "Installed-Size" | sort.. etc would take forever to do all that, once you write the missing pieces |
| 19:47.53 | nvz | I dont have time to think about it right now |
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| 19:48.23 | berkes | will llok at it; thanks |
| 19:48.38 | lt_james | does someone know something about qmail? i am having some problems with two things: first: i can't do a secure authentication. secondly: i can't use smtp through ssl? any idea? |
| 19:48.49 | nvz | oh well I am still up, might as well go take care of bid'ness |
| 19:48.54 | nvz | be back later |
| 19:49.31 | fbi | god dammit |
| 19:49.36 | abrotman | what?! |
| 19:49.37 | fbi | i want that nokia handheld now |
| 19:49.42 | nvz | heh |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | fbi: oh .. sorry |
| 19:49.46 | nvz | I havent looked yet |
| 19:49.51 | nvz | I will probably want one too |
| 19:49.56 | vineet | berkes, nvz: grep-dctrl can do it |
| 19:50.05 | fbi | actually, my sidekick II does everying that thing does, but not on wifi |
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| 19:50.07 | fbi | so it's slow as hell |
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| 19:52.09 | lt_james | hello!!! |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | !tell apa about root |
| 19:52.18 | lt_james | is someone there? |
| 19:52.28 | xfan | hi |
| 19:52.39 | lt_james | hi!! |
| 19:52.46 | fbi | lt_james: no, everyone /parted the channle when you joined. |
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| 19:53.09 | fbi | ircing as root seems to be the new "cool" thing to do |
| 19:53.12 | lt_james | fbi: ooohh, |
| 19:53.29 | Rydekull | uh, if someone feel like helping out, http://pastebin.com/432092 |
| 19:53.34 | blondie | fbi: how is IRCing as root any worse than doing anything else as root? :P |
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| 19:53.56 | mike_sol | i made an account on windows named 'root' just so i can irc as root without actually having privs |
| 19:54.49 | asg | mike_sol: and ircing on Windows is safe? |
| 19:55.22 | fbi | asg: it is if you run zone alarm pro! |
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| 19:55.33 | ttcsvin | -e |
| 19:55.49 | asg | fbi: pro == 3x the price? |
| 19:56.00 | fbi | asg: no idea, never used it. |
| 19:56.08 | fbi | i always ran sygate on my win98 desktops |
| 19:56.26 | pureone | tpf was the best firewall i ever used ;) |
| 19:56.32 | pureone | best windows firewall* |
| 19:56.48 | fbi | actually, the best windows firewall is an openbsd router in front of it. |
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| 19:57.30 | bibe | !beer fbi |
| 19:57.42 | fbi | yay! *guzzle* |
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| 19:58.07 | asg | oooo, almost pubtime |
| 19:58.20 | bibe | asg : depending on the timezone |
| 19:58.26 | asg | !pubtime |
| 19:58.26 | dpkg | [pubtime] time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:58.46 | xfan | its microsoft a "good" company to work ? |
| 19:58.58 | pureone | !make sense |
| 19:59.05 | pureone | meh |
| 19:59.06 | fbi | !confuse xfan |
| 19:59.07 | dpkg | No, who are their mushroom today, xfan? wellies of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra herring |
| 20:00.02 | fbi | i guess i'm in the "those who don't" category |
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| 20:00.07 | fbi | i don't even understand the joke |
| 20:00.43 | lt_james | fbi: how many types of people do u know? |
| 20:00.47 | timo | :) |
| 20:00.49 | elephantman | Does it matter if i install linux-headers in testing version |
| 20:00.55 | xfan | sorry.... its a joke ! |
| 20:00.58 | elephantman | If my debian version is testing ? |
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| 20:01.24 | pureone | xfan try a little better next time it didnt even make sense :) |
| 20:01.34 | lt_james | don't mind |
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| 20:06.24 | litb | how can i display a list of installed packages sortet by package size? |
| 20:07.06 | bibe | litb : play with /var/lib/apt/lists/ content , grep and sort |
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| 20:08.46 | fly_80 | hi all |
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| 20:09.08 | Fyre | how do I make the monitor go off of power save from a remote terminal? |
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| 20:10.22 | fly_80 | i'm configuring my Pro Wireless card ( ipw2200 ) following this guide : http://guide.debianizzati.org/index.php/Intel_PRO/Wireless_2200BG . it says to install linux-headers , but now i have two directories of linux-headers (2.6.12-1 and 2.6.12-1-386 ) : is it normal ? |
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| 20:11.18 | mike_sol | fly_80, one may be a symlink to the other |
| 20:11.21 | mike_sol | ls -l will show |
| 20:11.31 | pok | if i manually downloaded a deb package, where should i store it? along with all the other .deb packages? |
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| 20:12.11 | litb | hm, the files in /var/lib/apt/lists include all packages available. am i'm right? |
| 20:12.23 | Fyre | pok, download it, install it, delete it |
| 20:12.38 | litb | i couldn't find a list where only the packages which are installed are listed |
| 20:12.39 | fly_80 | mike_sol, |
| 20:12.41 | bibe | fly_80 : take care of verifying the required firmware for your version of the ipw2200 driver |
| 20:12.41 | fly_80 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2005-11-16 20:46 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 20:12.42 | fly_80 | drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 496 2005-11-16 22:08 linux-headers-2.6.12-1 |
| 20:12.42 | fly_80 | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 520 2005-11-16 22:08 linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 20:12.53 | bibe | litb : dpkg-query -W |
| 20:13.01 | fly_80 | bibe, i download the 2.4 version |
| 20:13.08 | jjazz | pok, putting it in the apt cache isn't going to make it available to apt-get, so put it wherever you want. Or just delete it when done. The only reason to keep it is if you think you might dpkg -i it again. |
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| 20:13.31 | bibe | fly_80 : of the firmware? But what version of ipw2200-source are you using? |
| 20:13.54 | pok | jjazz: ok, thanks |
| 20:13.55 | jjazz | litb, how about dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 20:14.02 | fly_80 | bibe, i installed the 1.0.8 |
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| 20:14.18 | bibe | fly_80 : that's ok |
| 20:14.21 | plbgnr | hello, does anybody know p2p program with text interface? ..or GUI prog. with this controling possibility... |
| 20:14.39 | fly_80 | mike_sol, bibe is it normal with that two directories oh headers ? |
| 20:14.40 | pok | anybody know how to install java's jdk on debian? i have found the tutorial and installed the jre, but i am looking for a way to install the jdk. do i just follow the same procedure i used to install the jre? |
| 20:14.54 | fly_80 | *of |
| 20:14.55 | bibe | plbgnr : bittorrent? bittornado? |
| 20:15.12 | pok | (making a package, fakeroot, and all that crap) |
| 20:15.12 | jjazz | pok, /msg dpkg jre |
| 20:15.16 | bibe | pok : yes |
| 20:15.19 | pok | jjazz: i already have the jre |
| 20:15.26 | pok | jjazz: want to install the jdk |
| 20:15.32 | pok | there is a difference |
| 20:15.34 | jjazz | pok, /msg dpkg jdk :) |
| 20:15.38 | pok | hehe |
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| 20:15.43 | plbgnr | bibe: thanks |
| 20:15.45 | litb | jjaz, it doesnt print sizes |
| 20:16.12 | pok | bibe: have you done a 1.5 install? |
| 20:16.13 | jjazz | litb, size of what? |
| 20:16.20 | bibe | fly_80 : yes, I think it should be ok. linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 are the 386-specific headers |
| 20:16.27 | litb | dpkg --list; of the packages |
| 20:16.28 | bibe | pok : yes |
| 20:16.55 | plbgnr | bibe: why question marks? aren't you sure if they have this feature |
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| 20:17.15 | pok | bibe: thanks |
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| 20:17.45 | tralala | plbgnr: read the question marks as "how about" |
| 20:17.51 | bibe | plbgnr : they have that feature, but I don't know if you like them |
| 20:17.58 | bibe | pok : no problem |
| 20:18.16 | plbgnr | tralala:ok |
| 20:18.23 | fly_80 | bibe, the module ipw2200 |
| 20:18.25 | plbgnr | bibe:ok |
| 20:18.32 | fly_80 | it seems to require ieee80211-modules-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 20:18.39 | bibe | plbgnr : bittorrent has also ncurses-based interface |
| 20:19.01 | bibe | fly_80 : yes. that howto is only sarge-based |
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| 20:19.26 | fly_80 | where can i found an each howto ? |
| 20:19.31 | toberkel | hi |
| 20:19.32 | fly_80 | "each" |
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| 20:19.42 | bibe | fly_80 : it's "etch" |
| 20:19.45 | fly_80 | ops |
| 20:19.46 | fly_80 | :P |
| 20:19.51 | tralala | fly_80: on google? |
| 20:19.54 | fly_80 | ehm, lol :) |
| 20:19.55 | Elly | why doesn't 'aptitude install mono' do anything? |
| 20:19.55 | Zub | i'm using sid. when i run openoffice2 with "oowriter" under icewm, it runs with the default iconset, what do i need to run it with the "nice" icons of the gnome-integrated version? |
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| 20:20.11 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a way to connect to my servers X_secsion from my laptop |
| 20:20.17 | silverton | Elly, the proper syntax is "apt-get install <package>" |
| 20:20.27 | Elly | silverton, aptitude install <package> is the same |
| 20:20.28 | bibe | try this (it's for sarge but with ieee80211-source and ipw2200-source from sid): http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/index.htm |
| 20:20.34 | tralala | Elly: perhaps there isn't a "mono" package |
| 20:20.39 | Elly | it says "no such package 'mono'" even though that package shows up when I search mono |
| 20:20.41 | bibe | fly_80 : ^^^ |
| 20:20.42 | silverton | that's just more typing ;D |
| 20:20.53 | Elly | i mono - Mono CLI (.NET) runtime |
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| 20:20.56 | Elly | what does 'i' mean? |
| 20:21.13 | tralala | Elly: it means it's installed already |
| 20:21.20 | Elly | oh |
| 20:21.27 | tralala | which also answers why aptitude does nothing |
| 20:21.32 | bibe | fly_80 : I am trying to "dist-upgrade" my howto from sarge to etch, but since I won't dist-upgrade my laptop to etch until it's stable... :) |
| 20:21.34 | Elly | yeah |
| 20:22.28 | silverton | bibe, that makes no sense |
| 20:22.37 | bibe | silverton : what? |
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| 20:23.09 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 20:23.11 | mike_sol | you're upgrading a howto |
| 20:23.36 | bibe | I use sarge most of the time, but I left a spare partition to try other flavours/distros. I copied that howto and I'm editing it to adapt to etch |
| 20:23.50 | mike_sol | oh, so you actually _are_ upgrading a howto |
| 20:23.58 | bibe | that's why I wrote dist-upgrade with "" |
| 20:24.14 | addNtoX | i did remove a couple of packages with debfoster, now when i do aptitude dist-upgrade it trys to install exactly the removen pakages again. how can i make aptitude to ignore the with debfoster removed pakages? |
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| 20:25.54 | addNtoX | i did remove a couple of packages with debfoster, now when i do aptitude dist-upgrade it trys to install exactly the removen pakages again. how can i make aptitude to ignore the with debfoster removed pakages? |
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| 20:26.56 | breiss | hey can someone help me out? |
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| 20:27.13 | breiss | ?? |
| 20:27.54 | addNtoX | breiss: whats your problem? |
| 20:27.56 | mike_sol | yeah |
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| 20:29.04 | breiss | well i had a few questions.. i just installed debian.. i was wondering what file i can edit to modify the login or motd screen? i know it's in /etc it's been 8 years since i have played with linux im rusty |
| 20:29.06 | tralala | breiss: very likely, but only after you state the problem |
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| 20:29.18 | mike_sol | /etc/issue and /etc/motd |
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| 20:29.44 | breiss | and how can i find out what i set my domain name as? |
| 20:30.02 | mike_sol | /etc/resolv.conf 'search' line affetcs that |
| 20:30.55 | breiss | cool thanks... |
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| 20:31.14 | breiss | and i have a ps/2 mouse but debian isnt seeing it or something.. |
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| 20:31.33 | bibe | breiss : from console or from X? |
| 20:31.36 | mike_sol | briess, quick way to check is 'cat /dev/input/mice' and wiggle the mouse |
| 20:31.43 | mike_sol | or 'cat /dev/psaux' if that fails |
| 20:31.57 | mike_sol | you should get garbage |
| 20:32.12 | mike_sol | if that works it's probably just referenced by the wrong name somewhere |
| 20:32.16 | jcole | anyone here have a motorolla e815 phone with evdo/vcast that has enabled the hack to do bluetooth networking in linux? |
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| 20:32.52 | DaDave | hi all |
| 20:33.01 | bibe | !hi DaDave |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | Many greetings, DaDave, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 20:33.04 | mike_sol | hi doctor nick |
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| 20:34.01 | EmleyMoor | Fyre: Go off of what? |
| 20:34.04 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
| 20:34.08 | DaDave | i need to get the network traffic (AKA Ip Counting) of every day by email. Is there already some stuff for that available? |
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| 20:34.24 | EmleyMoor | Forgot I'd scrolled the window |
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| 20:34.45 | breiss | hey cool hey mike_sol how do i get the garbage to go away i did cat /dev/psaux |
| 20:34.54 | breiss | i logged out on the console and it's still garbage |
| 20:35.08 | mike_sol | breiss, hahahah just use another console now :D |
| 20:35.22 | breiss | what if i restart the cpu :) |
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| 20:35.28 | mike_sol | anyway if you know that's working, do you want mouse in X or console, or both |
| 20:35.34 | DaDave | any idea for that IP Counting stuff? |
| 20:35.48 | breiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.53 | Skullb0x | if I wana install debian to run as a webserver, no GUI etc.. how many of the cd's would I need to download, cuz tehre's like 12 of them |
| 20:35.54 | mike_sol | DaDave, that'd be something with IPTables and a log target |
| 20:36.02 | mike_sol | Skullb0x, just the first will do |
| 20:36.12 | mike_sol | Skullb0x, in fact network install would do fine or better |
| 20:36.14 | breiss | skull i would just do a ftp install :) download as yhou install |
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| 20:36.27 | mike_sol | breiss, for console, do you have gpm installed |
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| 20:36.38 | DaDave | mike_sol: hmm. okay. but there is now packed solution for that? |
| 20:36.44 | mike_sol | DaDave, i don't know |
| 20:36.48 | mike_sol | google time |
| 20:36.53 | breiss | i tihnk the mouse will work in X i donnt know i just got to setup X and wiggled the mouse and it went to the next screen |
| 20:36.55 | breiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.57 | DaDave | mike_sol: okay. |
| 20:37.04 | breiss | mike_sol: GPM? |
| 20:37.05 | mike_sol | DaDave, at least you know what to search for now. iptables logging. |
| 20:37.12 | mike_sol | breiss, gpm == mouse at console |
| 20:37.19 | DaDave | mike_sol: thanks. |
| 20:37.42 | breiss | mike_sol:hrmm.... good question i think i should let debian finish loading and setting up X then see what happens |
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| 20:38.04 | breiss | whats nicer KDE or gnome |
| 20:38.35 | fbi | breiss: neither. |
| 20:38.43 | Skullb0x | mike_sol, got a site with instructions for network install |
| 20:39.14 | fbi | !tell Skullb0x about d-i |
| 20:39.34 | berkes | mysql.com is booboo |
| 20:39.54 | breiss | all you need is the boot.img and root.img and rawrite to write them to floppies boot it up off floppy and go |
| 20:39.54 | breiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.13 | breiss | fbi: what do you use? |
| 20:40.41 | fbi | breiss: blackbox, fluxbox and sometimes enlightenment. |
| 20:40.46 | breiss | debian only lets you have three consoles?? f1 through f3?? |
| 20:40.56 | fbi | breiss: kde and gnome are desktops environments, not window managers. |
| 20:40.57 | breiss | fbi are those free to get? |
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| 20:41.15 | fbi | breiss: yes they are free |
| 20:41.16 | mike_sol | breiss, it's all free :D |
| 20:41.22 | breiss | nice :) |
| 20:41.30 | breiss | how hard are they to install with debian |
| 20:41.40 | breiss | debian only lets you have three consoles?? f1 through f3?? |
| 20:41.55 | mike_sol | dont repeat yourself - you can have as many consoles as you want. |
| 20:42.04 | mike_sol | /etc/inittab controls them and by default you have 6 |
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| 20:42.16 | breiss | brb.. |
| 20:42.17 | mike_sol | as for kde/gnome, it's usually 'apt-get install gnome' |
| 20:42.25 | mike_sol | okay see you then :P |
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| 20:42.44 | Andy837 | how can i create a symlink between two files? |
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| 20:42.54 | mike_sol | ln -s source dst |
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| 20:43.23 | Andy837 | whats the -s? |
| 20:43.25 | LeScout | i need help to install my java |
| 20:43.30 | klaxian | hey guys - is udev replacing hotplug? |
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| 20:43.45 | LeScout | apt-get install fakeroot java-package doesn't work |
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| 20:44.09 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 20:44.09 | dpkg | contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 20:44.20 | _mark | I recently installed Debian (net install) and of course I have to log in as a regular user in graphical mode. My file/folder permissions are not set right. can anyone help me out here? |
| 20:44.38 | mike_sol | _mark, you may change them as root if you need to |
| 20:44.47 | mike_sol | do you know what is wrong with them and what you'd like them to be? |
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| 20:45.22 | Andy837 | how can i..... |
| 20:45.22 | Andy837 | Now symlink /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.* to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.* |
| 20:45.32 | Andy837 | it says the destination must be a DIR |
| 20:45.46 | klaxian | is udev replacing hotplug in testing now? is it safe to remove hotplug along with the udev upgrade? |
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| 20:45.50 | mike_sol | which one do you want to be the source of the symlink, and where do you want them to go Andy837 |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | Andy837: a2enmod |
| 20:46.01 | _mark | Well, anytime I try to install a program as a regular user, I don't have permission to instal to /usr folder, is this a typical problem? |
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| 20:46.22 | Andy837 | the source is the first one... |
| 20:46.33 | abrotman | Andy837: a2enmod |
| 20:46.37 | Andy837 | . /etc/apache2/sites-available# ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.* |
| 20:46.42 | Andy837 | whats a2enmod then? |
| 20:46.50 | abrotman | _mark: you don't ahve rights to do that |
| 20:46.58 | abrotman | Andy837: man a2enmod |
| 20:47.14 | mike_sol | try 'cd /etc/apache2/mods-available ; for i in *; do ln "$i" "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/$i"; done' |
| 20:47.18 | mike_sol | or something like that |
| 20:47.21 | mike_sol | might not be right |
| 20:47.36 | Skullb0x | would debian as a server use less resources than freebsd? |
| 20:47.40 | bibe | Andy837 : for each module you need/want to enable, use a2enmod <module> |
| 20:47.42 | abrotman | depends |
| 20:47.45 | mike_sol | _mark, linux frowns on regular users doing anything but _using_ the machine. you want to install stuff as root. |
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| 20:48.18 | abrotman | mike_sol: why would anyone run that script ? |
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| 20:48.53 | _mark | abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
| 20:49.12 | abrotman | _mark: because then any user could install anything he wants ? ... |
| 20:49.19 | abrotman | go DOS! |
| 20:49.41 | mike_sol | abrotman, he wanted to symlink stuff. i didn't know about a2enable |
| 20:49.42 | bibe | _mark : you as a _user_ will only be able to _use_ your machine |
| 20:49.54 | abrotman | mike_sol: a2enmod .. it's part of apache ... |
| 20:50.01 | mike_sol | j'apolgize |
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| 20:50.08 | _mark | abrotman, not meaning to be argumentative, but without access to /usr/local NO user can install anything. |
| 20:50.16 | mike_sol | _mark, that's a good thing. |
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| 20:50.29 | mike_sol | if users can install things, there will be viruses and spyware |
| 20:50.33 | bibe | _mark : when you become _admin_ (root) you can _administer_ the machine, thus install programs |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | _mark: root can |
| 20:51.09 | abrotman | _mark: are you the admin on this machine ? |
| 20:51.52 | fbi | it sounds like he is trying to install something without an admin knowing |
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| 20:51.59 | fbi | cough*rootkit*cough |
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| 20:52.11 | Streetchariot | hey |
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| 20:52.16 | abrotman | ho |
| 20:52.30 | siezer | anybody know of a "binary grep" or a "hex grep" where i can search for say...... 2 bytes represented as a string "EB52 904E" in a very large (20 gig) file? |
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| 20:52.41 | Streetchariot | I have a question.. I am new to Debian, and am looking for how to add/change my resolution options. |
| 20:52.50 | fbi | !drxx Streetchariot |
| 20:52.51 | dpkg | Streetchariot: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:52.55 | _mark | abrotman, yes, I am admin. It is a stand alone machine. |
| 20:52.58 | Streetchariot | the only available options are 640x480 and 800x600 |
| 20:53.11 | Ruzbeh | hello, how do i delete something thats trying to print? Like, cancel a printing job, i don't have access to localhost:631 |
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| 20:53.23 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i need a user to be able to ssh to a server but to stop his rights to access at a certain hour and certain time... the thing is, i need to keep this user , his password and to keep sshd running... any idea how to do this ? |
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| 20:53.57 | abrotman | _mark: so become root .. install your stuff .. what are you trying to compile anyways ? |
| 20:53.57 | Coweater | _mark: if you want users to install things give them appropriate sudo rights |
| 20:54.08 | Streetchariot | ok.. i have a dell laptop (insp 8000) |
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| 20:54.17 | Streetchariot | do i select VGA? |
| 20:54.26 | abrotman | Streetchariot: what video card ? |
| 20:54.26 | beardy | Estes2: Some ugly and dangerous script involving cron and editing /etc/passwd? |
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| 20:54.39 | LeScout | what's the most recent debian's kernel? |
| 20:54.41 | Streetchariot | Nvidia i believe |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | LeScout: in which version of debian ? |
| 20:54.47 | Streetchariot | 16mb ram |
| 20:54.54 | abrotman | !tell Streetchariot about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:54.56 | Streetchariot | i was using VESA |
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| 20:55.19 | beardy | Streetchariot: lspci |
| 20:55.21 | LeScout | dunno;) |
| 20:55.40 | Estes2 | beardy, i was talking seriously... |
| 20:55.41 | abrotman | !qotd155 is <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
| 20:55.41 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:55.43 | fbi | Streetchariot: using "vesa" is what stuck you in those default resolutions. use the correct driver for your chipset and you can then select any resolution your display will support. |
| 20:55.43 | _mark | abrotman, what is the command line - text to input to change the permissions on a given folder to allow users to access? |
| 20:55.48 | Estes2 | Maybe throught xinetd ? |
| 20:55.49 | beardy | Estes2: Me to. |
| 20:55.50 | abrotman | _mark: NO NO NO |
| 20:55.52 | beardy | too |
| 20:56.00 | bibe | LeScout : sarge ships 2.6.8, etch 2.6.12 and sid 2.6.14 |
| 20:56.02 | Streetchariot | ok |
| 20:56.06 | abrotman | _mark: i will not help you screw up your system permissions because you don't know how ot use 'su' |
| 20:56.13 | Streetchariot | so I can pick VGA right? |
| 20:56.24 | Streetchariot | I have an Nvidia Moble 2 go |
| 20:56.26 | fbi | Streetchariot: probably "nv" |
| 20:56.40 | Streetchariot | ok |
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| 20:56.58 | _mark | Coweater, I created my user identity upon install, but it did not put me in the sudo list! I had to do a google search to figure out how to add myself! |
| 20:57.06 | LeScout | this is mine |
| 20:57.07 | LeScout | apt-get install fakeroot java-package |
| 20:57.10 | LeScout | oups sorry |
| 20:57.15 | LeScout | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:57.19 | fbi | _mark: man visudo |
| 20:57.21 | tarzeau | damn what was the song called in "desperado" (the movie with banderas)? someone's got the midi of it? |
| 20:57.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: the beginning song ? |
| 20:57.36 | Coweater | _mark: ok, no problem then |
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| 20:57.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: ye |
| 20:58.03 | bibe | tarzeau : tried imdb.com? I don't remember the exact title |
| 20:58.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: moment |
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| 20:59.25 | Streetchariot | second question |
| 20:59.35 | Streetchariot | i have ESS Maestro 3 sound card |
| 20:59.42 | Streetchariot | how do I make it detect it? |
| 20:59.51 | Streetchariot | i get an error on boot saying it is using null |
| 21:00.00 | _mark | abrotman, I know how to use 'su,' I just think it's a pain in the butt! here's a good example. I install codecs for a media player as root. I try to install realplayer as local user and it can't find the codecs because I don't have permissions to those folders! That is crazy! |
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| 21:00.37 | myren | What dvd burning apps are there for linux? Recommandations? |
| 21:00.40 | bibe | Streetchariot : in the default kernel, there should be a maestro module. try 'modprobe maestro' |
| 21:00.46 | Coweater | you mean realplayer sucks, because it doesn't know how to look for libs, you have read rights |
| 21:00.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://ultimate-guitar.com/search.php?s=Cancin+Del+Mariachi&w=songs .. roughly |
| 21:01.03 | damnit | lol |
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| 21:01.07 | jjazz | _mark, allowing users to install stuff would require giving them unfettered access to just about every dir on the box. |
| 21:01.10 | Streetchariot | ok |
| 21:01.19 | Streetchariot | just got the prompt back after i enter that |
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| 21:01.27 | DaDave | mike_sol: i did it like this now: echo -e "TODAY:\n-------------\n `ipacsum -t 'today'`\n\nTHIS MONTH:\n---------\n`ipacsum -t 'this month'`" | mail -s "Ip Traffic Server" my@mail.tld |
| 21:01.31 | abrotman | _mark: are you a bad troll ? |
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| 21:01.44 | fbi | Streetchariot: what kernel did you install? |
| 21:01.53 | Denn | How to cdmod /var/www so all users can write, read, delete and so on |
| 21:01.53 | Denn | ? |
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| 21:01.57 | Streetchariot | 2.6 |
| 21:02.03 | Streetchariot | it was the only one that would work |
| 21:02.06 | stew | Denn: what would be a very bad idea |
| 21:02.09 | tomas__ | i successfully destroyed a harddrive with some partion commandos :/ |
| 21:02.13 | _mark | abrotman, no... I am being serious. I probably do sound like one though... |
| 21:02.18 | Streetchariot | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:02.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:02.19 | fbi | Streetchariot: try running "alsaconf" and see if that soundcard shows up |
| 21:02.21 | jjazz | Denn, you don't really want to do that. You want to let users put their html in ~/user/public_html |
| 21:02.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.guitaretab.com/l/los-lobos/10744.html |
| 21:02.30 | Denn | no |
| 21:02.31 | Denn | hmm |
| 21:02.36 | bibe | fly_80 : what kernel are you using? |
| 21:02.36 | tomas__ | I can't boot! how can I repair a unsuccessfull partioned harddrive? |
| 21:02.42 | Denn | Can i make so one user has the full rights over the dir? |
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| 21:02.44 | Andy837 | where is the DNS file on debian? |
| 21:02.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:02.51 | Denn | so my user "Denn" got full rights to the /var/www ? |
| 21:02.56 | stew | !wikifaq Denn Permissions |
| 21:02.57 | dpkg | Denn: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:02.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: the second is decently accurate .. i've used it before :) |
| 21:03.00 | myren | Denn: If you have NO USERS but yourself, do these two commands: find /var/www -type d -exec chmod a+rwx {} \; |
| 21:03.01 | jjazz | Denn, I'd symlink it to ~/denn/www |
| 21:03.03 | fly_80 | bibe, the 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 21:03.04 | Streetchariot | says "Cannot run specified command" |
| 21:03.13 | fbi | Streetchariot: apt-get install alsa-base |
| 21:03.24 | tomas__ | I can't boot! how can I repair a unsuccessfull partioned harddrive? :( |
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| 21:03.30 | caphuso | myren: great, give apache write access to its own documentroot |
| 21:03.31 | myren | Denn: then chmod a+rw /var/www/* -R |
| 21:03.39 | Denn | hmm |
| 21:03.41 | Denn | myren thansk |
| 21:03.43 | fbi | tomas__: with a livecd |
| 21:03.45 | myren | caphuso: what's apache going to do to it? |
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| 21:03.49 | bibe | fly_80 : you already installed linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386, ieee80211-source and ipw2200-source, right? |
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| 21:03.56 | Denn | but, I want my user "Denn" to have the full rights |
| 21:03.57 | abrotman | myren: that's a bad bad idea |
| 21:04.00 | myren | Denn: DO NOT DO THAT unless you are the ONLY user on the system tho... its a really really bad plan generally |
| 21:04.03 | Denn | and then symlink it to /home/denn/www |
| 21:04.05 | fly_80 | yes. |
| 21:04.05 | abrotman | Denn: use chown |
| 21:04.07 | caphuso | Denn: chown |
| 21:04.10 | Denn | chown? |
| 21:04.14 | abrotman | Denn: use chown |
| 21:04.18 | tomas__ | fbi: I destroyed a windows harddrive now, but now im booting from another linux harddrive |
| 21:04.29 | bibe | fly_80 : go to /usr/src, do you have a modules/ dir? |
| 21:04.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's the song you wanted ? |
| 21:04.33 | fbi | tomas__: so what _exactly_ is the problem |
| 21:04.35 | Streetchariot | okay |
| 21:04.43 | myren | Denn: OH! In that case just change ownership of the files with chown program. chown denn /var/www/* -R |
| 21:04.43 | fly_80 | bibe, yes |
| 21:04.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep exactly |
| 21:04.49 | bibe | fly_80 : move it to modules.backup, then: |
| 21:04.50 | fly_80 | i have 3 subdir |
| 21:04.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: am i the man .. or what?! :) |
| 21:04.50 | fbi | Streetchariot: alsa sees your soundcard? |
| 21:04.50 | caphuso | myren: i'm glad that apache or any CGI script it ever executed had any security holes at all |
| 21:04.50 | Streetchariot | it says "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 21:04.50 | Streetchariot | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:04.50 | Streetchariot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.50 | Streetchariot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.50 | Streetchariot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.52 | xam | tomas__: one down, one more to go? ;-P |
| 21:04.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you take your guitar to the shop yet? |
| 21:05.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: TEH MAN! |
| 21:05.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i was too busy, but i meet some guitar friends friday evening |
| 21:05.20 | fly_80 | bibe, done |
| 21:05.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. take it to the shop |
| 21:05.26 | Andy837 | where is the DNS file on debian? |
| 21:05.33 | caphuso | Andy837: touch /tmp/DNS |
| 21:05.35 | Denn | Thanks a lot |
| 21:05.38 | caphuso | Andy837: then it's in /tmp |
| 21:05.38 | Denn | one more |
| 21:05.39 | abrotman | /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 21:05.42 | Denn | how to symlink it? |
| 21:05.43 | bibe | fly_80 : module-assistant -l 2.6.12-1-386 a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 |
| 21:05.45 | tomas__ | fbi: i ran http://ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Linux on a windows harddrive |
| 21:05.47 | abrotman | Denn: man ln |
| 21:06.03 | tomas__ | stupid yeS :-) |
| 21:06.03 | myren | Denn: Did you unleash the security nightmare of chmod? If so, I should telll you how to undo it |
| 21:06.11 | tomas__ | but I think it's fixable |
| 21:06.18 | Denn | ln -s /var/www /home/denn/www ? |
| 21:06.24 | myren | yes |
| 21:06.24 | fly_80 | bibe, got an error |
| 21:06.27 | fbi | tomas__: that doesn't help me. what is it you want to do, exactly. wipe a disk of all it's partitions and install Debian? |
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| 21:06.28 | fly_80 | I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies |
| 21:06.32 | Streetchariot | okay i am back |
| 21:06.32 | Denn | myren did just change the ownership of /var/www to Denn |
| 21:06.37 | myren | good good |
| 21:06.40 | fbi | !tell Streetchariot about paster |
| 21:06.45 | Streetchariot | I am getting an error |
| 21:06.54 | bibe | fly_80 : try installing ieee80211 first, then ipw2200 |
| 21:06.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i need to find one first. i will do that as well |
| 21:06.59 | myren | So, erm, anyone have sgugestions for DVD burning software? I've a couple of ISO's and a couple file backups I need to do |
| 21:07.00 | fbi | Streetchariot: do what it says, type "apt-get -f install" |
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| 21:07.06 | bibe | the first is required by the second |
| 21:07.06 | Streetchariot | when i try apt-get -f install |
| 21:07.09 | Streetchariot | ok |
| 21:07.17 | stew | !tell Streetchariot about flood |
| 21:07.28 | Streetchariot | okay got it |
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| 21:07.33 | tomas__ | fbi: I had a windows harddrive with partions for that before, then i deleted all partions and made a new one... I want to get the ol partions and data back :) |
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| 21:07.44 | Ben_J`Taf | C'est quoi de bordel???? |
| 21:07.51 | fbi | tomas__: uh, you can't. windows is gone. |
| 21:07.53 | Denn | hmm |
| 21:07.54 | leivahcam | hello |
| 21:07.54 | stew | tomas__: restore from backups |
| 21:07.56 | leivahcam | i decided to make a migration from debian sarge to debian etch two days ago and the x server did not want to start again, keyboard blocked |
| 21:08.02 | tomas__ | yes |
| 21:08.04 | Denn | i get permission denied when i try to enter my /www/ symlink |
| 21:08.07 | Ben_J`Taf | Wow!! Only English??? |
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| 21:08.22 | fbi | !tell Ben_J`Taf about fr |
| 21:08.22 | stew | leivahcam: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 21:08.47 | leivahcam | thanks stew |
| 21:08.52 | bibe | fly_80 : se non hai problemi di banda io installerei direttamente linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 21:09.04 | bibe | sorry |
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| 21:09.09 | Ben_J`Taf | fbi > I speak english but i have never see before a chan whis only english ^^ |
| 21:09.18 | Esaj | grr I can't install gnucash in unstable |
| 21:09.23 | Esaj | some dependency problem |
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| 21:09.27 | abrotman | Ben_J`Taf: that's because debian made channels for many other languages |
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| 21:09.42 | Ben_J`Taf | abrotman > That's cool =) |
| 21:09.44 | Rawplayer | re |
| 21:09.54 | Streetchariot | okay one last thing |
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| 21:10.17 | Streetchariot | Can I set it so it automounts and confs my hda1 filesystem? |
| 21:10.18 | fbi | Streetchariot: wait. you're not done with sound. did you successfully run alsaconf? |
| 21:10.22 | Streetchariot | yeah |
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| 21:10.40 | stew | Streetchariot: man fstab |
| 21:10.47 | abrotman | man mount probably too |
| 21:10.51 | fbi | Streetchariot: now you should install alsa-oss, and make sure any media players are set to use alsa instead of oss |
| 21:10.59 | Denn | myren |
| 21:11.04 | Denn | why cant i access /var/www |
| 21:11.05 | fbi | Streetchariot: also check mixer levels in alsamixer |
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| 21:11.08 | Denn | got permission denied |
| 21:11.15 | Denn | i can see that i had crown denn |
| 21:11.23 | stew | abrotman: he would naturally man mount after he saw it in the see also section when he finished reading the fstab(5) page... |
| 21:11.32 | Denn | 212:/var/www# ls -l |
| 21:11.32 | Denn | -rw-r--r-- 1 denn root 43 Nov 16 22:05 1.gif |
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| 21:12.10 | dbrock | `dpkg-deb -b' wants a directory containing a DEBIAN directory along with the package payload, but my payload consists of large files, so I want to avoid copying them into this directory when building the package |
| 21:12.11 | abrotman | stew: naturally |
| 21:12.20 | myren | Denn; hit me with: ls -l -d /var/www |
| 21:12.31 | joeljkp | so what's the preferred method of transcoding video between free formats nowadays? |
| 21:12.34 | Denn | 212:/var/www# ls -l -d /var/www |
| 21:12.34 | Denn | drw-r--r-- 2 root root 1024 Mar 25 2005 /var/www |
| 21:12.36 | Denn | myren ^^ |
| 21:12.38 | drivamgr2005 | Looking to switch distributions from a rather odd one to Debian. Where could I get information on what debian has available and minimum requirements to run it without lag? |
| 21:12.45 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:12.45 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 21:12.48 | abrotman | drivamgr2005: ^^ |
| 21:13.01 | abrotman | drivamgr2005: also .. packages.debian.org for available packages |
| 21:13.37 | fbi | joeljkp: oddly enough, i use "transcode" |
| 21:13.52 | addNtoX | is it possible to convert the debian install dvd to cds? |
| 21:13.58 | myren | Denn: chown denn /var/www |
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| 21:14.01 | myren | my bad |
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| 21:14.19 | myren | hadnt actually changed ownership of /var/www itself, jsut the files in it |
| 21:14.26 | joeljkp | fbi: transcode, really? even with its non-free status? |
| 21:15.04 | Streetchariot | sound is good! |
| 21:15.20 | Streetchariot | how do i change my resolution? (does it require restart?) |
| 21:15.23 | fbi | joeljkp: non-free? i got transcode from marillat... |
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| 21:15.27 | Streetchariot | i got the filesystem into fstab also |
| 21:15.36 | fbi | Streetchariot: do what dpkg says |
| 21:15.37 | fbi | !drxx |
| 21:15.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:15.44 | fbi | no need to reboot, restart X |
| 21:15.47 | buns | is there a command that helps me determine the version of xorg i'm running? |
| 21:16.01 | stew | Streetchariot: "xrandr" but if that doesn't offer the resolution you are looking for then you want dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; then restart X |
| 21:16.02 | caphuso | buns: X -version |
| 21:16.07 | buns | koo thx |
| 21:16.08 | joeljkp | fbi: yeah, that's what i'm saying... debian won't distribute it |
| 21:16.20 | Streetchariot | cool |
| 21:16.21 | Streetchariot | brb |
| 21:16.28 | fbi | joeljkp: i don't know about the politics. i got it from marillat. it works. |
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| 21:16.34 | fbi | i don't ask questions |
| 21:16.55 | Denn | hmm myren |
| 21:16.58 | Denn | still got acess denied |
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| 21:17.19 | stew | Denn: chmod +x /var/www/ |
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| 21:17.22 | Denn | 212:/var/www# ls -l -d /var/www |
| 21:17.22 | Denn | drw-r--r-- 2 denn root 1024 Mar 25 2005 /var/www |
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| 21:17.25 | joeljkp | fbi: yeah, i understand... open source video really is in a bad state |
| 21:17.42 | Denn | arh stew :) |
| 21:17.45 | Denn | Thanks |
| 21:17.49 | stew | !wikifaq Denn Permissions |
| 21:17.51 | dpkg | Denn: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:18.10 | Nenillo | holas |
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| 21:18.45 | fbi | joeljkp: try it out, if you are ripping your dvds you might want dvdrip (also available on marillat's repo) |
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| 21:19.00 | dusk | hi, I need a good debian package for a .chm reader |
| 21:19.05 | mike_sol | is the majority of the stuff on marillat non-GPL? or is it just non-US? |
| 21:19.08 | Kevin`_ | transcode is non-free? since when |
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| 21:19.44 | joeljkp | fbi: actually i'm trying to transcode quicktime/mjpeg to mpeg1 or theora |
| 21:19.45 | mike_sol | dusk, xchm will read em, but i dont think there's a pkg |
| 21:19.50 | joeljkp | fbi: last i checked, transcode couldn't encode theora |
| 21:20.07 | quiet | i haven't been able to get marillat so sync up since my newest install... |
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| 21:20.17 | quiet | it fails with the index files. |
| 21:20.19 | abrotman | !chm |
| 21:20.20 | dpkg | chm is, like, to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 21:20.21 | stew | mike_sol: non-US and non-DE and possibly others |
| 21:20.24 | quiet | kinda pissing me off. |
| 21:20.40 | fbi | quiet: change your sources.list to sarge/etch/sid marillat uses codenames only now |
| 21:20.58 | mike_sol | bastards with their draconian laws. and i can't even be proud to be a canadian today after the bill introduced yesterday to spy on internet connections here |
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| 21:21.25 | Ben_J`Taf | Fock |
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| 21:21.34 | quiet | fbi, why thank you |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 21:21.35 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 21:21.59 | mike_sol | !insult abrotman |
| 21:22.00 | dpkg | abrotman is nothing but a rank tongueful of surly snake bait |
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| 21:22.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:22.21 | mike_sol | snake tongue... some ladies might not complain |
| 21:22.32 | abrotman | it's the fork thing |
| 21:22.33 | fbi | or men *wink* |
| 21:22.47 | Skjoedt | (Problem: Wine on Debian). When running winecfg, I get the following message: "ibXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." - Any of you familiar with this issue? It also say: "Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly." - But my XF86Config should be configured just fine. |
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| 21:23.24 | abrotman | !find ibXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 21:23.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ibXxf86vm.so.1' (2): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libXxf86vm.so.1|libXxf86vm.so.1.0}) in libs/libxxf86vm1 ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/debug/{libXxf86vm.so.1|libXxf86vm.so.1.0}) in libdevel/libxxf86vm1-dbg. |
| 21:23.46 | quiet | fbi, now it's failing saying the key couldn't be verified... but I already imported the key according to the website.. |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | !blame blame |
| 21:23.57 | fbi | !tell quiet about marillat key |
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| 21:24.08 | blame | :D |
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| 21:25.02 | Andy837 | im lost what file do i add DNS records to? |
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| 21:25.46 | Andy837 | resolve.conf yeh? |
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| 21:25.56 | soymilk | Andy837: no those are host aliases |
| 21:26.27 | Andy837 | saymilk: ok, where then? |
| 21:26.39 | Andy837 | soymilk: ok, where then? |
| 21:26.46 | soymilk | Andy837: normally dns records go in zone files |
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| 21:27.18 | soymilk | but if you have a hosts entry then you don't actually need a dns record |
| 21:27.23 | stew | Andy837: you need to talk to whomever is the DNS admin for the domain you want to edit, if you don't know who that is do "whois domain" and look for the technical contact |
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| 21:28.10 | Andy837 | i've been told.... |
| 21:28.10 | Andy837 | make sure the cp.example.org and webmail.example.org are available in your DNS files. If not add them. |
| 21:28.13 | addNtoX | does anybody know a good tool for splitting mp3 files? |
| 21:28.16 | soymilk | provided your nsswitch is set to use hosts before dns... |
| 21:28.16 | Andy837 | so.... how! :-S |
| 21:28.18 | Volkan | Why am I getting ``Proxy Access Denied?'' www.worldofturk.com |
| 21:28.21 | Volkan | help me |
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| 21:28.38 | fbi | addNtoX: splitting? as in cutting up one track into two? |
| 21:28.47 | addNtoX | fbi: exactly |
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| 21:28.51 | airox | hi |
| 21:28.53 | fbi | addNtoX: audacity |
| 21:29.14 | addNtoX | fbi: thanks a lot, i'll try that |
| 21:29.23 | airox | i've got some problems over here, ps ax shows a LOT of processes that are children from events (all khelper named). |
| 21:29.27 | fbi | no problem, it's a great app |
| 21:29.39 | airox | Where could I check what could cause this ? |
| 21:29.48 | airox | Which logfiles are to be checked ? |
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| 21:29.49 | Volkan | Why am I getting ``Proxy Access Denied?'' http://www.worldofturk.com |
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| 21:30.19 | airox | And now I get this: |
| 21:30.27 | efaistos | does someone use synce ? |
| 21:30.27 | airox | ls: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libacl.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 21:30.34 | Escherial | hello; by any chance, can anyone tell me how to figure out which tty device corresponds to my voice modem? |
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| 21:30.47 | Volkan | Why am I getting ``Proxy Access Denied?'' http://www.worldofturk.com |
| 21:31.39 | airox | Volkan: I don't. |
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| 21:32.10 | airox | bash: /bin/mount: cannot execute binary file |
| 21:32.17 | airox | Something is really going wrong over here :D |
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| 21:32.33 | Volkan | Why am I getting ``Proxy Access Denied?'' http://www.examples.com |
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| 21:32.39 | abrotman | Escherial: probably ttyS0 or S1 |
| 21:32.48 | airox | Volkan: You could stop repeating. |
| 21:32.49 | fbi | !tell Volkan about repeat |
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| 21:33.06 | Volkan | help me |
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| 21:33.20 | abrotman | Volkan: or stop spamming us |
| 21:33.21 | stew | Volkan: ask whomever is the admin for your proxy server |
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| 21:33.40 | Volkan | help me reeat because no answer |
| 21:33.45 | breiss | hey i have a question how can i setup more f5 f6 f7 consoles? which file is it in /etc/ dir? |
| 21:33.53 | stew | !tell Volkan about repeat |
| 21:34.03 | stew | breiss: man inittab |
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| 21:34.15 | Streetchariot | ok i am back one more time |
| 21:34.20 | Streetchariot | everything else is working great! |
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| 21:34.24 | tolsen | hello. I'm trying to keep a mixed stable/testing system (default to stable) on an AMD64 machine. I have setup an apt.conf with the Default-Release line and a preferences file with the pinnings. One thing I noticed is that packages that have had security upgrades to the same version that is in testing are marked to be upgrade, but then after you upgrade them, it wants to upgrade them again (to the same version!). This happens with apache2-common, for |
| 21:34.25 | tolsen | example. Has anyone else seen this? |
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| 21:34.30 | Streetchariot | i need to know how to make my desktop icons smaller |
| 21:34.37 | stew | tolsen: don't mix testing and stable |
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| 21:34.57 | jasta | what happened to the kernel-source-2.6 packages? |
| 21:35.04 | jasta | they don't seem to be in testing or unstable anymore? |
| 21:35.05 | airox | Streetchariot: What are you using ? KDE or Gnome or something else ? |
| 21:35.07 | nathraah | well, have writen 3 cds, but nothin' inside, this means, no burning, 2.6.12 kernel, from apt-get repositories, so, the well-known problem? |
| 21:35.10 | fbi | jasta: linux-source-2.6 |
| 21:35.14 | tolsen | ok, I guess best thing to do would be to recompile the packages I want for stable |
| 21:35.15 | jasta | oh. |
| 21:35.24 | Streetchariot | got it |
| 21:35.25 | Streetchariot | KDE |
| 21:35.29 | stew | tolsen: what version does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
| 21:35.30 | Streetchariot | i figured it out! |
| 21:35.34 | airox | Ok! |
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| 21:35.38 | nathraah | using, gnomebaker and nerolinux |
| 21:35.43 | nathraah | any ideas, thank u in advance |
| 21:35.47 | mike_sol | folsen, you could always check for stable backports on apt-get.org |
| 21:35.56 | tolsen | ii libc6 2.3.5-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 21:35.56 | abrotman | or backports.org |
| 21:35.58 | abrotman | !backports |
| 21:36.05 | stew | tolsen: you are running testing, not stable then |
| 21:36.09 | tolsen | already checked, no one backported subversion for AMD64. |
| 21:36.19 | abrotman | nathraah: eroaster / k3b / arson / nautilus |
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| 21:36.28 | abrotman | !hi |
| 21:36.28 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 21:36.32 | stew | tolsen: you should finish upgrading your system to testing |
| 21:36.36 | abrotman | we don't have a backports factoid anymore ? |
| 21:36.42 | tolsen | ahh... the people who installed this machine did that. booo |
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| 21:36.44 | airox | Ok. I got 101 khelper processes now! |
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| 21:36.44 | jasta | fbi: thank you. |
| 21:36.45 | streuner | !backport |
| 21:36.45 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 21:36.50 | Volkan | Why am I getting ``Proxy Access Denied?'' http://www.examples.uk |
| 21:36.54 | airox | Seems to get more and more. |
| 21:36.56 | abrotman | !backport |
| 21:36.57 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:36.57 | abrotman | duh |
| 21:36.58 | fbi | !beer streuner |
| 21:37.13 | fbi | hah. at first i thought dpkg said "defecates" |
| 21:37.15 | stew | !backports is <reply>see backport |
| 21:37.15 | dpkg | ...but backports is already something else... |
| 21:37.16 | azeem | Volkan: 22:28 < stew> Volkan: ask whomever is the admin for your proxy server |
| 21:37.22 | abrotman | oh .. because someone broke it |
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| 21:37.46 | airox | What does khelper do ? |
| 21:38.04 | Volkan | its me azeem |
| 21:38.05 | breiss | what are some good window managers? |
| 21:38.13 | Volkan | admin its me azeem |
| 21:38.27 | fbi | breiss: try all of them. use the one you like. |
| 21:38.31 | Volkan | I cant do it |
| 21:38.32 | streuner | breiss: there are plenty good ones, just try openbox or fluxbox |
| 21:38.37 | stew | Volkan: what proxy server are you using? |
| 21:38.46 | amphi | Volkan: or wmii |
| 21:38.49 | Volkan | squid |
| 21:38.57 | nathraah | abrotman, yeap but I know about a bug in 2.6.* kernel series, bout cd buring, what 'bout this? |
| 21:38.59 | stew | Volkan: did you add an acl for yourself? |
| 21:39.10 | citral | nerolinux: 500MB disc space for standard installation. mwaha. I'll stick with cdrecord. |
| 21:39.13 | Volkan | hove |
| 21:39.21 | breiss | is there a good place to start learing debian i used redhat 7 long time ago but way rusty i dont even remember how to see how much hd space i have left? |
| 21:39.27 | stew | Volkan: have you read the squid logs? |
| 21:39.43 | streuner | breiss: apt-cache search window manager |
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| 21:39.50 | abrotman | nathraah: i didn't tell you anything about a bug in 2.6 |
| 21:39.56 | stew | breiss: df -h |
| 21:39.58 | Volkan | give me an example |
| 21:40.07 | mike_sol | what do you folks think is faster: 2.0 ghz P4, or 2.6 ghz Celeron (both socket 478) |
| 21:40.08 | Volkan | acl ? |
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| 21:40.25 | fbi | breiss: /msg dpkg reference |
| 21:40.27 | stew | breiss: you may wanna read the faq in the topic, and the debian reference, /msg dpkg reference |
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| 21:40.37 | citral | mike_sol: yes. |
| 21:40.40 | abrotman | isn't there a #squid |
| 21:40.41 | beardy | mike_sol: The one that cost more. |
| 21:40.45 | abrotman | !seen eutopia |
| 21:40.45 | mario__ | hello!! |
| 21:40.46 | airox | breiss: lots of stuff at http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 21:40.46 | dpkg | eutopia <n=lisa@071.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 79d 21h 4m 51s ago, saying: 'mwilson: indeed'. |
| 21:40.51 | fbi | !seen lightbright |
| 21:40.51 | dpkg | lightbright <n=truth@011.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 19h 55m 39s ago, saying: 'nixUX: I dont see a tree view option in my nautilus'. |
| 21:40.57 | fbi | yay, it has a new nick to ignore. |
| 21:40.58 | Volkan | stew give me an example acl ? |
| 21:41.02 | abrotman | !seen whitelight |
| 21:41.02 | dpkg | whitelight <n=light@061.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 40d 19h 46m 46s ago, saying: 'Danar: np :)'. |
| 21:41.06 | mike_sol | i have the two chips here and i of course want my corporate desktop to be fast, is all. |
| 21:41.09 | fbi | abrotman: hi-five |
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| 21:41.14 | beardy | mike_sol: Also depends on what you do with it probably. |
| 21:41.17 | abrotman | fbi: lo-five |
| 21:41.25 | fbi | abrotman: too slow. |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | i ride the short bus! |
| 21:41.41 | stew | Volkan: read /usr/share/doc/squid/examples, and if you still can't figure it out, ask a specific question in #squid |
| 21:41.45 | fbi | wait. i guess that would have been your line. |
| 21:41.47 | mike_sol | beardy: dev work, lots and lots of browsing, light gaming when boss is not around |
| 21:41.51 | abrotman | fbi: you left -ot! |
| 21:42.00 | fbi | meh? |
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| 21:42.04 | airox | hmm a reboot did it's job for me :) |
| 21:42.07 | fbi | oh i forgot about that place |
| 21:42.32 | breiss | wb mike_sol |
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| 21:42.38 | fbi | abrotman: there's no one there: fbi [i=is@5150.to] has left #debian-offopic |
| 21:42.41 | mike_sol | wb? |
| 21:42.42 | fbi | weeeeeeeee |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | doh! |
| 21:42.55 | abrotman | fbi: spell it right maybe ? |
| 21:42.56 | beardy | mike_sol: Anything a few years "old" can do that with massive overkill can't it? |
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| 21:43.08 | xam | Volkan: please RTFM before coming here. I don't think we're really asking for too much; we just expect to at least _try_ to solve a problem yourself and reading the logs and man pages before coming here and spamming us |
| 21:43.09 | mike_sol | i guess beardy |
| 21:43.22 | mike_sol | ill go with the celeron then, 600mhz must make a difference even if the cache is half |
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| 21:43.48 | beardy | mike_sol: The Celeron has smaller cache, that's what differs, IIRC. |
| 21:44.03 | citral | mike_sol: why don't you just google for benchmarks, to have kind a sort of an idea? |
| 21:44.34 | stew | the smaller cache makes a huge difference IME |
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| 21:44.47 | mario__ | how can I avoid to load a kernel module?? I've got IPv6 in my machine but I want |
| 21:44.48 | Skaag | what's a good apt mirror for networks around gblx.net |
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| 21:44.54 | stew | mario__: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:44.55 | abrotman | !mirror |
| 21:44.57 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 21:44.57 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 21:45.06 | beardy | stew: When browsing and coding? I doubt that. |
| 21:45.13 | abrotman | Skaag: or try apt-spy |
| 21:45.30 | breiss | ok can someone explain this: a smart host for mail i dont have a mail server on here... i have a dynamic ip and i just want my box to send and recieve my through my pop3 smtp email account with my cable company do i not set anything up on this menu then? |
| 21:45.31 | beardy | mike_sol: The amount of ram makes more difference I'd say. |
| 21:45.35 | Skaag | thanks |
| 21:46.08 | Skaag | abrotman: I just rented a debian box... thing is when I upgrade it ssh stops working |
| 21:46.20 | mario__ | thanks stew !! |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | Skaag: that's not good |
| 21:46.23 | Skaag | the host just finished reinstalling their debian image on the box so I have access again |
| 21:46.27 | Skaag | but now i'm affraid to upgrade it |
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| 21:46.38 | Skaag | thing is, I upgraded stable |
| 21:47.02 | Skaag | it runs kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:47.13 | breiss | ?? |
| 21:47.18 | breiss | any answeres |
| 21:47.33 | abrotman | Skaag: so wht's the problem ? |
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| 21:47.52 | Skaag | abrotman: well it's weird that an upgrade with stable would cause ssh to stop working |
| 21:47.53 | stew | beardy: IME it makes a difference, the only real benchmark i could offer is that when i recenly switched from a 2.0ghz machine with a 512k cache and 1.5mb ram and went to a 1.7mhz machine with 2mb cache and 768 megs of ram, my compile times in one project went from ~15 seconds to ~4 seconds |
| 21:48.07 | stew | although i got a faster disk this time too |
| 21:48.10 | abrotman | Skaag: yes indeed |
| 21:48.13 | tpr|zz | I dont seem to find CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X in the kernel configs (i have 2.6.8 kernel source from apt-get), it should be under ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL > PCI IDE chipset support section, no? |
| 21:48.31 | Skaag | anyway I think he installed a newer image because now there's nothing to upgrade |
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| 21:48.38 | Award | How should I properly handle this situation during an apt-get: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 21:48.38 | Award | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 21:48.47 | stew | Award: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 21:48.53 | Award | stew: Thanks |
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| 21:50.54 | dimir | Evening. |
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| 21:51.12 | beardy | stew: Ok, yes, of course compilation would go faster, but not the responsiveness of the machine when editing a file or browsing? |
| 21:51.34 | beardy | stew: That can't make much difference, can it? |
| 21:51.35 | stew | beardy: editing no, browsing yes |
| 21:51.50 | beardy | stew: Ok |
| 21:52.10 | stew | beardy: a big enough difference to make it worth the money? perhaps not |
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| 21:53.13 | tobo | anyone here know how to solve the problem when compiling mythtv from svn when only liblame0 and not liblame-dev is available in debian? |
| 21:53.54 | citral | tobo: add a line like deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main in your sources.list |
| 21:54.15 | abrotman | tobo: install liblame-dev :) |
| 21:54.16 | citral | or just google for mplayer marillat |
| 21:54.18 | stew | tobo: neither is available in debian |
| 21:54.49 | stew | tobo: /msg dpkg marillat ; or use citral's line but substitude sid with etch or sarge as appropriate |
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| 21:55.05 | stew | tobo: is there a reason you are compiling myth instead of using mdz's packages? |
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| 21:56.06 | stew | tobo: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
| 21:56.18 | trym | how would I in the best way add port 2121 to ip_conntrack_ftp etc? I gues what Im asking is where the module is probed |
| 21:57.10 | tobo | stew, mythvideo and other plugins dont work because of libqt3c102-mt or whatever it was calles, only libqt3-mt |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 21:57.12 | stew | Tyler19_88: if you want it modprobed at boot add it to /etc/modules ; if it doesn't seem to be workign even with the module loaded ask #iptables |
| 21:57.30 | trym | abrotman: its debian related.. where in debian is ip_conntrack_ftp loaded (if it is.. maybe shorewall is doing it ) |
| 21:57.42 | abrotman | trym: modconf ? |
| 21:57.53 | ziupiu | trym, modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp ports=2121 |
| 21:58.01 | abrotman | see .. i did'nt know the special options |
| 21:58.13 | abrotman | however .. if you use modconf ... it will do the magic for every time |
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| 21:58.17 | JulieNL | hey all |
| 21:58.32 | Supaplex | how do I resize an ext3fs to consume space left open from an old trailing partition? |
| 21:58.48 | citral | Supaplex: with parted |
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| 21:58.57 | abrotman | or start with lvm |
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| 21:59.20 | toresbe | What the fuck is all this bullshit I hear about profanity logging? |
| 21:59.22 | tobo | citral, is there a difference between sid and unstable in the repository? i have unstable and that doesnt seem to contain liblame-dev |
| 21:59.32 | breiss | help hehe... okay how do i reconfigure X system with gnome or kde when it goes to open x or gde my screen goes in to power save i need to reconfigure it?? is that in the base config? |
| 21:59.33 | JulieNL | ok i'm logging that.. :P |
| 22:00.09 | citral | tobo: I have sid and it contains liblame-dev. did you apt-get update already? |
| 22:00.21 | trym | oh well.. doesnt work.. ill consult #iptables then.. thanks |
| 22:00.27 | tobo | yup, tried to change it to sid now, will see what happens |
| 22:00.32 | breiss | im in the recovery boot at the maintance prompt do i run base config or what? |
| 22:00.37 | stew | citral: lame is not in debian, it cannot be bacuase of patents |
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| 22:00.41 | abrotman | !lame |
| 22:00.42 | dpkg | methinks lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 22:01.02 | citral | stew: I know... we are speaking about the marillat line (I hope) |
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| 22:01.27 | tobo | this is my exact line in sources |
| 22:01.28 | tobo | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 22:01.46 | breiss | can someone help me plz |
| 22:01.54 | tobo | and is still says that it isnt available but liblame0 is to replace it |
| 22:02.05 | citral | tobo: you need only main, remove contrib and non-free, then do apt-get update |
| 22:02.11 | JulieNL | breiss, i'm not an expert... but are you certain your screen can handle the refresh rate you supplied to X? |
| 22:02.23 | tobo | citral, does that actually make less packages available? |
| 22:02.24 | breiss | no :) thats what i need to reconfig or reset.. |
| 22:02.25 | tpr | I dont seem to find CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X in the kernel configs (i have 2.6.8 kernel source from apt-get), it should be under ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL > PCI IDE chipset support section, no? (quick repeat, sorry:P) |
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| 22:02.31 | JulieNL | lol breiss :P |
| 22:02.35 | citral | oh my |
| 22:02.39 | JulieNL | urm... well |
| 22:02.44 | JulieNL | i looked mine up on the internet |
| 22:02.44 | breiss | so do i run base-config? |
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| 22:02.53 | JulieNL | i googled up my monitor stats |
| 22:03.02 | tobo | citral, still a no go |
| 22:03.02 | JulieNL | and then did the xf86config thing... |
| 22:03.16 | tobo | wtf is this... getting frustrated |
| 22:03.19 | JulieNL | but it took me ages to get it figured out.. but i'm not that bright lol |
| 22:03.24 | citral | tobo: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 22:03.26 | breiss | can i chose a different video card drivers in xf86config also? |
| 22:03.31 | JulieNL | yup |
| 22:03.38 | LeScout | how can i change permission to sources.list to get my user acces to this file? |
| 22:03.42 | breiss | ok brbr hehe |
| 22:03.46 | tobo | are there mdz packages that actually work with libqt3-mt instead? |
| 22:03.50 | breiss | julie will you be here for a bit? |
| 22:03.54 | tobo | citral, ok ill look there |
| 22:03.57 | JulieNL | sorry i can't check up on it for you... i'm on windows right now |
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| 22:04.02 | JulieNL | yup.. just getting a drink for a sec |
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| 22:04.15 | JulieNL | (forced upon me by my husband) |
| 22:04.19 | stew | LeScout: /msg dpkg sudo |
| 22:04.22 | JulieNL | Windows that is... not the drink |
| 22:04.23 | JulieNL | brb |
| 22:04.31 | breiss | hehe ok |
| 22:04.39 | LeScout | i know su |
| 22:04.53 | LeScout | but i dont understand very well the chmod command |
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| 22:05.29 | stew | LeScout: don't change the permissions, use sudo |
| 22:05.31 | JulieNL | back :D |
| 22:05.44 | tobo | citral, i certainly dont mean to be rude but is that page supposed to tell me something? i might just be thick =) |
| 22:05.53 | xam | LeScout: that were the two most scary sentences I've read in a while |
| 22:06.00 | citral | tobo: READ |
| 22:06.07 | citral | tobo: AT THE ENDF |
| 22:06.22 | abrotman | LeScout: what kind of access ? |
| 22:06.38 | LeScout | what i like of linux users is that they all know everything since they were born.... |
| 22:06.55 | dood | Comedian. |
| 22:06.57 | tobo | i did, i actually found it to be a typo on my behalf, now i got the package. back to svn mythtv |
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| 22:07.09 | tobo | citral, thank you for your help |
| 22:07.20 | breiss | can someone tell me why xf86config i get a can find or bad command.. what the heck |
| 22:07.27 | LeScout | i need to add something to sources.list to install nvidia drivers... |
| 22:07.37 | abrotman | breiss: firstly .. DON"T use that command |
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| 22:07.49 | abrotman | breiss: secondly .. X -version |
| 22:07.57 | dood | LeScout: you shouldn't need to as long as the kernel sources and headers are installed. |
| 22:08.01 | breiss | X -version |
| 22:08.07 | abrotman | not here .. in your terminal |
| 22:08.38 | breiss | ok brbr... i just need to change video drivers or refesh rate brb... i only have one terminal working im in maintnace mode |
| 22:08.40 | breiss | brb.. |
| 22:09.10 | fbi | someone make that guy install screen and irssi-text so he doesn't have to /quit here ten times a day. thanks. |
| 22:09.18 | dood | lol |
| 22:09.23 | stew | fbi: i was join going to say something along those lines :) |
| 22:09.29 | fbi | stew: word. |
| 22:09.32 | beardy | "maintnace mode" what on earth for? |
| 22:09.46 | TwistedEmotions | is 2.6.14.2 the newest apt package available? |
| 22:09.51 | abrotman | probably |
| 22:09.55 | JulieNL | he's in runlevel 1, because runlevel 2 automatically starts X for him... which isn't working |
| 22:09.55 | TwistedEmotions | for kernel.. |
| 22:09.58 | TwistedEmotions | I mean.. |
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| 22:10.21 | beardy | JulieNL: What does that have to do with anything, if it works or not? |
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| 22:10.26 | JulieNL | breiss.. you could alt+F1 or alt+F2 in runlevel 2 :P |
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| 22:10.53 | nono31 | Can I control my box fan speed? (shuttle with nforce4) |
| 22:11.04 | JulieNL | well he's looking at a blank screen in runlevel 2 so he stopped at runlevel 1 |
| 22:11.05 | JulieNL | lol |
| 22:11.20 | JulieNL | being a newbie to linux myself i can imagine him doing that :P |
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| 22:11.50 | breiss | ok a you there?? i did a x -version |
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| 22:12.03 | breiss | and i get x protocol version 11 rev 0 and release 6.6 |
| 22:12.17 | breiss | linux kernel 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
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| 22:12.23 | breiss | gcc 3.3.5 |
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| 22:12.54 | abrotman | is that .. xorg ? |
| 22:13.07 | abrotman | fbi: now's your chance |
| 22:13.11 | stew | breiss: what does "dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg | grep ^ii" say? |
| 22:13.13 | breiss | so i just need to know which setup program or config program to change my x video card driver and my monitor refresh rate? |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | !drxx breiss |
| 22:13.22 | dpkg | breiss: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:13.25 | fbi | hah |
| 22:13.34 | fbi | breiss: what irc client are you running? |
| 22:13.36 | LeScout | but when i run apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) it doesn't work |
| 22:13.40 | breiss | stew gotta go log out and come back.. |
| 22:13.44 | stew | breiss: why? |
| 22:13.52 | stew | breiss: you shoudlnt' have to log out |
| 22:14.39 | stew | breiss: use another vt to check, you can switch vts with ctrl-alt-fN where N=1-6, f7 is X |
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| 22:15.19 | beardy | breiss: You do not have to reboot to another runlevel to fix this. (it is almost never necessary to boot to runlevel 1, or any other runlevel than the default in Debian) |
| 22:15.24 | abrotman | stew: GAH .. not multitasking! |
| 22:15.44 | breiss | because when i boot my box it tries to load kde or gnome or somethine and my screen goes black and screen goes to power save.. so i rebooted under recovery mode and am using the maintnance shell cuz thats the only way i can see my console... i am ssh;d to another box which i have bitchx on right now cuz i havent got irc on my box yet :) |
| 22:16.01 | fbi | !nodm breiss |
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| 22:16.06 | fbi | hmm |
| 22:16.12 | fbi | !tell breiss about nodm |
| 22:16.23 | JulieNL | just use alt+F1 or alt+F2 to switch to console when you're looking to the black screens breiss |
| 22:16.31 | JulieNL | or alt+F3 if you feel like it.... |
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| 22:16.51 | fbi | dude, let him get rid of the display manager and he'll be fine. |
| 22:16.55 | breiss | well when i just do a regular boot it gets through everything tries to boot x befor the login prompt and screen goes blank |
| 22:17.03 | JulieNL | yup we know... |
| 22:17.06 | breiss | yesh those are all just blank with a curser.. |
| 22:17.09 | stew | breiss: after it goes blank, hit ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 22:17.10 | JulieNL | just press alt+F1 when that happens |
| 22:17.13 | beardy | breiss: /msg dpkg reference (in your irc client), Just press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6, to get to a vt/console, when switching from one vt to another, only Alt-Fn is necessary, also Alt-Left/RightArrow switches vt. |
| 22:17.33 | nathraah | ok, there is a problem, gnomebaker & nerolinux seem burning the cds, but when I put 'em into cd-rom, they're blank, 2.6.12 kernel inside, any ideas? |
| 22:17.55 | stew | breiss: if you have the box booted now you could alt-f2 to get to a different console |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | nathraah: try another program ? |
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| 22:18.10 | trym | whats the name of that "lightweight" desktop based off of kde ? |
| 22:18.19 | fbi | trym: xfce4 |
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| 22:18.25 | JulieNL | lightweight and kde are compatible.....? |
| 22:18.28 | abrotman | fbi: no |
| 22:18.34 | fbi | no? what is it then |
| 22:18.38 | abrotman | xfce is gtk |
| 22:18.40 | fbi | ah. |
| 22:18.43 | nathraah | abrotman, pointless, can't put k3b, missing kdelibs and don't like it |
| 22:18.51 | JulieNL | i've seen nice things in gtk :D |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | erm .. ok .. eroaster ? |
| 22:19.00 | nathraah | btw, the problems has nothin' to do with the app |
| 22:19.04 | fbi | but what's the kde-based desktop? |
| 22:19.04 | nathraah | problem even |
| 22:19.06 | Elly | wtf |
| 22:19.07 | trym | fbi: thanks |
| 22:19.10 | Elly | it's asking me to configure openssh |
| 22:19.12 | fbi | trym: that's not it |
| 22:19.13 | Elly | I did that already |
| 22:19.15 | beardy | nathraah: pointless to ask about proprietary software in here too |
| 22:19.21 | Elly | I wonder what choice I pick to leave it the same as it is |
| 22:19.41 | lightseek | how can I compare 2 text files for differences and have the differences outputed to screen? |
| 22:19.48 | sinned | Do I need a usb driver inorder for a usb keyboard to work on console if it works from the BIOS? |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | diff |
| 22:19.51 | stew | lightseek: man diff |
| 22:19.52 | nathraah | beardy, nah, there was a bug in 2.6.8 kernels, where people couldn't burn cd-roms, if you knew bout that, you wouldn't answer like that. |
| 22:19.52 | trym | fbi: it says its based off gtk+ etc |
| 22:19.54 | abrotman | oh wait .. i'm on ignore :) |
| 22:20.07 | lightbright | stew: thank you |
| 22:20.10 | fbi | trym: correct, you asked for the one based on kde |
| 22:20.11 | breiss | dang thing this is the only console that works hehe... even crtl alt f dont work.. brb..... |
| 22:20.14 | breiss | qiot |
| 22:20.20 | fbi | trym: just install it and try it out |
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| 22:20.21 | beardy | a cluebie huh |
| 22:20.24 | trym | fbi: yup.. what did you mean by thats not it ? |
| 22:20.31 | p3rti | hi. |
| 22:20.46 | mike_sol | so apparently there is a lightweight QT based desktop? is that what you want? |
| 22:20.53 | fbi | trym: don't mind me. i told you what you wanted to hear but abrotman corrected me |
| 22:20.57 | abrotman | trym: that's not the lightweight Qt desktop .. might ahve better luck asking .. uhm .. #debian-kde ? |
| 22:21.10 | p3rti | i upgrade my system today with aptitude. it delete some package like kdevelop, now when i try to install again with apt-get install kdevelop it say that its no avalaible. what happened??? |
| 22:21.18 | trym | ah :) |
| 22:21.28 | abrotman | p3rti: you're running testing or unstable apparently .. wait a few days |
| 22:21.29 | trym | thanks :) |
| 22:21.35 | p3rti | testing. |
| 22:21.38 | Award | Are there any other known "e2fsprogs loop" type issues with other packages, or should it to be safe to just fix e2fsprogs and it's deps, and go back up to sid? (a 500mb download for an apt-get upgrade is a bit painful for us dialup people) :) |
| 22:21.40 | Guerin | !why is kdevelop3 not in testing? |
| 22:21.41 | dpkg | kdevelop3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop3 |
| 22:21.43 | p3rti | abrotman, so what happened? |
| 22:21.45 | sinned | what am I missing to get my usb keyboard to work from console? |
| 22:21.50 | fbi | p3rti: probably the package was removed, so updating took it out of your system |
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| 22:22.08 | p3rti | yes?? anda lot of package have the same thing! |
| 22:22.11 | trym | just have to find out whether xfce handles multiple monitors well |
| 22:22.16 | abrotman | p3rti: you're running testing or unstable apparently .. wait a few days |
| 22:22.21 | p3rti | ok |
| 22:22.22 | p3rti | thanks |
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| 22:22.38 | stew | p3rti: there has been no kdevelop in a long time there is a kdevelop3 in unstable |
| 22:22.41 | mike_sol | sinned: is legacy usb on in the bios |
| 22:23.23 | p3rti | stew, yes i saw but i cannot use with vtk. so i have to use kdevelop the oldest. |
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| 22:23.53 | sinned | mike_sol: i havent checkec |
| 22:23.59 | sinned | checked* |
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| 22:24.31 | sinned | mike_sol: it works from the 2.4 kernel with no usb driver but not 2.6 |
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| 22:25.56 | p3rti | so. somebody know if there is a list of all packages that was removed. because i dont see when it upgrade the system. |
| 22:26.08 | Award | Or, alternately, is there any meta package to get that wraps the system primary packages so I can upgrade the stuff most likely to cause a package loop, but not have to download EVERYTHING? |
| 22:26.26 | stew | p3rti: there is a version in woody, who knows if that would work for you, you might try asking #debian-kd |
| 22:26.32 | stew | err #debian-kde |
| 22:28.14 | p3rti | thanks |
| 22:28.16 | icyfire0573 | i cant 'aptitude install kde' on Etch |
| 22:28.29 | fbi | icyfire0573: kde has been removed, wait a while. |
| 22:28.38 | icyfire0573 | excellent, thanks fbi |
| 22:28.44 | lightbright | if I wanted to copy /home to /mnt/home , should I type: cp -a * /mnt/home ? |
| 22:28.56 | stew | icyfire0573: parts of kde were removed for the 3.4 transition so the metapacakge that installs everything can't be installed, but many of its individual components can be installed |
| 22:29.22 | stew | !kde3.4 is also parts of kde were removed for the 3.4 transition so the metapacakge that installs everything can't be installed, but many of its individual components can be installed |
| 22:29.22 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:29.27 | fbi | i think someone stole lightbright's man pages |
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| 22:29.32 | fbi | whoever it was, please give them back. |
| 22:29.38 | icyfire0573 | stew: alright, i got a lot of it in, but every once and a while i try to run something that just didn't come in and i was wondering, why it wasn't working |
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| 22:30.12 | beardy | fbi: he can use --help until the evil person does |
| 22:30.30 | fbi | beardy: he? it's a she (i think) |
| 22:30.40 | blondie | ISM |
| 22:30.44 | Guerin | fbi: it has claimed to be both at different times |
| 22:30.47 | fbi | beardy: gender seems to change, depending on it's mood. |
| 22:30.55 | fbi | Guerin: word |
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| 22:31.10 | Guerin | fbi: emacs |
| 22:31.20 | fbi | haha |
| 22:31.20 | beardy | fbi: whichever, he/she, like many others are probably not familliar with the infopages, so they should still be there |
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| 22:33.41 | cy_ | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list . whats wrong with it ? |
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| 22:34.49 | abrotman | cy_: some transition stuff ... |
| 22:35.30 | FarrisG | If a directory is group-owned by "groupA", and g+w, but I need to give a $userb not in "groupA" permission to write to that directory, how do I accomplish that withous 1) breaking write permissions for those in groupA and 2) adding $userb to $groupA? |
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| 22:35.56 | Red-Sox | whai is the bot on this channel named? |
| 22:36.11 | beardy | !what is your name |
| 22:36.12 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, beardy |
| 22:36.17 | blondie | FarrisG: you have to use ACLs |
| 22:36.25 | FarrisG | blondie: What's an ACL? |
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| 22:36.36 | blondie | access control list |
| 22:36.39 | AciD | Red-Sox > dpkg |
| 22:36.49 | Red-Sox | o ok |
| 22:36.56 | Red-Sox | i heard its very interesting |
| 22:36.56 | AciD | obviously :) |
| 22:36.56 | blondie | it's something that NTFS has, but ext3 does not (at least not without nasty hacking) |
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| 22:37.16 | SlayerXP | blondie: ext3 has had acl for some time, they are part of the kernel |
| 22:37.26 | fbi | !tell Red-Sox about help |
| 22:37.28 | blondie | fine |
| 22:37.41 | blondie | but they're not nicely implemented in *nix imo |
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| 22:37.55 | SlayerXP | CONFIG_EXT2_FS_POSIX_ACL=y |
| 22:37.55 | SlayerXP | CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y |
| 22:38.02 | SlayerXP | blondie: i look forward to seeing your patch |
| 22:38.12 | blondie | I have no interest in providing one |
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| 22:38.42 | StanTheMan | dam abit BP6....grr |
| 22:38.47 | Red-Sox | what a very mean bot |
| 22:38.55 | Red-Sox | he hurt my feelings |
| 22:38.56 | Red-Sox | lol |
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| 22:39.12 | pureone | !gender |
| 22:39.13 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 22:39.15 | pureone | :D |
| 22:39.17 | p3rti | hey... how can i say what filetype it better. example, ext3,vfat,ntfs? |
| 22:39.30 | Skaag | fat16 is the best |
| 22:39.33 | blondie | they aren't "filetypes" |
| 22:39.34 | mike_sol | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.37 | pureone | !start a fs war |
| 22:39.37 | dpkg | VFAT is better than NTFS!! |
| 22:39.39 | SlayerXP | p30n: none of them, as they are not file types |
| 22:39.43 | mike_sol | reiser |
| 22:39.46 | Red-Sox | wtc |
| 22:39.47 | fbi | !ricerfs |
| 22:39.47 | dpkg | i guess ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 22:39.47 | citral | p3rti: ricer |
| 22:39.48 | mike_sol | sorry, it was obligatory |
| 22:39.51 | sinned | psh |
| 22:39.53 | FarrisG | So I'd have to run a non-debian kernel to achieve this experimental functionality? |
| 22:39.54 | StanTheMan | my hardware time clock on my Abit BP6 isn't very accurate. What ntpdaemon do recommend to keep my time clock sync'd with a master atomic clock? |
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| 22:40.07 | blondie | FarrisG: apparently not |
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| 22:40.18 | fbi | dpkg's response time is faster than usual |
| 22:40.25 | fbi | dpkg: are you on meth amphetamines? |
| 22:40.26 | stew | p3rti: ext3 if you are using linux only ntfs if you are using windows only, if you need to share data between the two create a small vfat partition for that purpose |
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| 22:40.33 | SlayerXP | StanTheMan: I recommend ntpd |
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| 22:40.34 | blondie | StanTheMan: well, apt-get install ntpd |
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| 22:40.46 | blondie | however I find it more reliable to run ntpdate from a cron job :\ |
| 22:40.53 | mike_sol | StanTheMan, ntpdate works well too and is fairly simple |
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| 22:41.22 | mike_sol | i guess ntpd is nice because it can do clock skewing and smooth adjustments |
| 22:41.32 | mike_sol | ntpdate is more of a brute thing |
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| 22:42.10 | mike_sol | you know if you ever wanted to go back in time all you'd have to do is go and tell the stratum 0 NTP servers it's 1980 again. then i can whip out the mullet and be a cool white guy with sunglasses |
| 22:42.21 | azeem | how useful |
| 22:42.30 | StanTheMan | apt-get install ntpd returns: E: Package ntpd has no installation candidate |
| 22:42.41 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite fbi |
| 22:42.42 | dpkg | fbi: You're nothing but a w*ng p*ssing j*sus! |
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| 22:42.58 | StanTheMan | im on woody, does that make a difference? Is that the cause of the error? |
| 22:43.06 | azeem | StanTheMan: could be |
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| 22:43.31 | Corin_777 | !gender |
| 22:43.31 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
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| 22:43.36 | stew | StanTheMan: ntp-simple |
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| 22:43.59 | StanTheMan | the error listed above that message says something about it possibly not being listed in sources.list |
| 22:44.05 | fbi | yay for dpkg + kingsleysmite |
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| 22:44.23 | StanTheMan | stew: I need it to run as a daemon, can ntp-simple run as a daemon? |
| 22:44.30 | blippy_worm | any1 play halo? |
| 22:44.42 | mike_sol | i do, but i don't know if this is the place to talk about it |
| 22:44.44 | blippy_worm | oh wrong channel sry |
| 22:44.45 | blondie | "anyone" |
| 22:44.50 | blondie | "sorry" |
| 22:44.50 | blondie | etc |
| 22:44.52 | p3rti | hey i want to know.. a lot of people here what use? unstable,testing or stable? |
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| 22:44.54 | blippy_worm | i know |
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| 22:45.03 | blippy_worm | i just say that to type faster |
| 22:45.06 | stew | StanTheMan: yes |
| 22:45.11 | mike_sol | blondie, only #debian users and goons bother with correct grammar these days |
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| 22:45.20 | fbi | p3rti: i have all three on one box. |
| 22:45.27 | fbi | with two kernels each. |
| 22:45.27 | Guerin | mike_sol: untrue |
| 22:45.38 | blondie | mike_sol: lucky we're #debian users then, eh. |
| 22:45.53 | blondie | anyway, that was spelling not grammar |
| 22:45.58 | fbi | haha |
| 22:45.58 | mike_sol | well i fall under both categories i listed so i am hardly insulting bad spelling and the like |
| 22:46.14 | p3rti | fbi, so your sources.list have like 20 lines? |
| 22:46.16 | StanTheMan | stew: are directions in the docs for setting up ntp-simple as a daemon, or does it install from apt-get as a daemon, and start the daemon automatically? |
| 22:46.17 | p3rti | jeje |
| 22:46.29 | fbi | p3rti: uh, no, each install has it's own sources.list |
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| 22:46.37 | fbi | oh that was a joke |
| 22:46.45 | fbi | in that case, HEH. |
| 22:46.58 | p3rti | fbi, well... i'm go to upgrade to sid.. |
| 22:46.59 | stew | StanTheMan: its automatic |
| 22:47.00 | mike_sol | case 'joke': print 'heh'; |
| 22:47.05 | StanTheMan | stew: thx |
| 22:47.06 | p3rti | send me luck.. |
| 22:47.10 | fbi | p3rti: for a desktop? |
| 22:47.11 | p3rti | lol |
| 22:47.14 | p3rti | yeap |
| 22:47.23 | p3rti | fbi, what do u think? |
| 22:47.38 | fbi | p3rti: i'd run sid on a desktop before i ran etch, but that's just me |
| 22:47.40 | p3rti | fbi, i use my debian for desktop, and develop. |
| 22:48.21 | fbi | p3rti: go for it then, sid isn't a very smart choice for a server |
| 22:48.38 | stew | p3rti: the general advice around here is /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 22:48.55 | StanTheMan | stew: says it already installed and already latest version. It's not listed as a daemon in TOP process list, but I do recall that when I boot this machine that it tries to sync with a time server during boot up. The clock isn't accurate though, on this PC, and it doesn't get rebooted often, thus I need ntp-simple to run as a daemon, and for some reason, it's not currently doing so |
| 22:48.58 | stew | p3rti: if its just because there are a few files you want that aren't in etch yet, /msg dpkg simple sit backport |
| 22:49.03 | toresbe | kingsley_: However silly I believe your profanity list is (and believe me, I think it's inexpressably silly) I take quite strong offense to you calling "lesbian" a profanity |
| 22:49.28 | fbi | toresbe for president! |
| 22:49.38 | stew | StanTheMan: /etc/init.d/ntp-server start |
| 22:49.51 | stew | StanTheMan: and update-rc.d ntp-server defaults |
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| 22:50.09 | toresbe | kingsley_: And also... how in the name of J*sus and G*d is "Guinnes" profane?! |
| 22:50.29 | fbi | toresbe: don't forget d*ldo |
| 22:50.35 | stew | toresbe: where is this famed profanity list? |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc |
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| 22:50.49 | fbi | because you know, dildo has been a famous cuss word since like, the ancient mayans |
| 22:50.54 | p3rti | stew, i heard about sid a lot of time, that's say its very newer.. and that testing its more secure. but i dont know if there is a lot of diference in security i mean. |
| 22:51.06 | sinned | what about beef curtians? is that acceptable or profian? |
| 22:51.08 | toresbe | fbi: It's scary to a Midwesterner, that's basically "profane". |
| 22:51.19 | StanTheMan | stew: do I need to specify an NTP server in a config file somewhere, or does NTP pick one on its own? |
| 22:51.24 | fbi | p3rti: at times (like right now) etch can be in a more broken state than sid |
| 22:51.37 | dli | I want to set up automatic upgrade in cron. how to? is it a good idea? |
| 22:51.43 | vulture | not sure how testing can be more secure than unstable.. |
| 22:51.57 | azeem | vulture: there is testing-security... |
| 22:51.57 | caphuso | vulture: it gets security updates |
| 22:51.59 | toresbe | "And what's so profane about laser?" |
| 22:52.05 | blondie | testing is more stable than unstable for one |
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| 22:52.17 | abrotman | dli: not really |
| 22:52.22 | stew | StanTheMan: look at /etc/ntp.conf |
| 22:52.22 | p3rti | oh.thanks fbi. |
| 22:52.25 | abrotman | dli: automagic download .. yes .. but not upgrade |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | blondie: not this week |
| 22:52.45 | vulture | caphuso: I thought the security team only updated testing when it neared release. And that everything had to pass through unstable anyway.. learn something new I suppose. |
| 22:52.49 | vulture | thanks |
| 22:52.58 | dli | abrotman, like security updates? it's better to get them auto |
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| 22:52.59 | blondie | abrotman: usually |
| 22:53.00 | Arthemis | Hi! |
| 22:53.05 | StanTheMan | stew: /etc/ntp.conf does not currently exist |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | blondie: usually |
| 22:53.07 | mike_sol | hello |
| 22:53.07 | stew | p3rti: there is an official debian team that provides security updates for testing, in unstable you get them whenever the maintainer gets around to posting a new version |
| 22:53.14 | caphuso | vulture: secure-testing-master.debian.net |
| 22:53.18 | Arthemis | somebody help me? |
| 22:53.23 | abrotman | dli: they can still go badly or need your input .. i wouldn't do it .. have it download and notify you if there are packages to be installed |
| 22:53.32 | vulture | caphuso: neat-o |
| 22:53.32 | Arthemis | i ve to configure my debian |
| 22:53.33 | dli | StanTheMan, apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 22:53.40 | Arthemis | to make some commands |
| 22:53.41 | p3rti | stew.. mm ok good point. |
| 22:53.44 | StanTheMan | dli: its already installed |
| 22:53.47 | mike_sol | Arthemis, what do you need |
| 22:53.56 | Arthemis | i need to configure my debian |
| 22:54.04 | mike_sol | that is a pretty general need |
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| 22:54.05 | stew | StanTheMan: it must be different on woody then man ntpd or see the ntp-server init script |
| 22:54.06 | StanTheMan | dli: apt-get install ntp-simple says i already have latest version |
| 22:54.09 | Arthemis | to do some commands on start |
| 22:54.16 | StanTheMan | stew: kthx |
| 22:54.16 | Arthemis | sometimes |
| 22:54.19 | dli | StanTheMan, dpkg --purge ntp-simple;apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 22:54.23 | Arthemis | happens that |
| 22:54.32 | Arthemis | i have to reconfigure alsa |
| 22:54.39 | stew | StanTheMan: or man ntp.conf |
| 22:54.48 | Arthemis | because deb doesn't find sounde devices |
| 22:54.51 | toresbe | kingsley_: Same about "homo", though you could argue that it's a mainly pejorative term. |
| 22:54.54 | Arthemis | and i have to reconfigure |
| 22:54.55 | dli | stew: it's ntp.conf in woody or sarge or etch |
| 22:54.56 | Arthemis | so |
| 22:55.17 | Arthemis | i was thinking about make a file where the alsaconf starts at pc start |
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| 22:56.51 | dli | Arthemis, apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 22:57.14 | liable | Arthemis: do you think you could actually write a sentence or two all on one line? |
| 22:57.23 | Arthemis | yep :P |
| 22:57.44 | Arthemis | i've the alsa-utils installed... |
| 22:57.59 | Arthemis | but doesn't work yet... |
| 22:58.18 | caphuso | liable: seems to work |
| 22:58.19 | goombah1234 | I seemed to have messed up dpkg - I'm getting this message "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success" |
| 22:58.22 | caphuso | or maybe not |
| 22:58.23 | mike_sol | Arthemis, are the modules loading at start? what version of debian are you on? |
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| 22:58.33 | dli | Arthemis, you have alsa kernel support? maybe, it fails at booting because there's no alsa kernel |
| 22:58.39 | StanTheMan | stew: /etc/init.d/ntp-server start returns "no such file or directory", /etc/init.d/ntp-simple start returns the same. I updated ntp.conf with a valid ntp server, as well. |
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| 22:58.57 | stew | goombah1234: what version of debian are you running? what does version does "dpkg -l dpkg " report? |
| 22:59.02 | Arthemis | wait...not ever doesn't work...sometimes. |
| 22:59.09 | myren | what is the package which builds kernel modules? |
| 22:59.12 | mattpj | i need some sources for my repository anyone got any ? or know where to find some ? |
| 22:59.16 | dli | !kp |
| 22:59.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 22:59.18 | Arthemis | if is the alsa kernel what should i do? |
| 22:59.26 | buu | So um, anyone mind telling me where the 'port' is configured for exim4? |
| 22:59.27 | amphi | myren: module-assistant / |
| 22:59.28 | StanTheMan | stew: ntpd is listed now in my process list in TOP |
| 22:59.29 | dli | mattpj, apt-setup |
| 22:59.30 | goombah1234 | "dpkg -l dpkg" gives me the same error! |
| 22:59.34 | myren | amphi: thats it, thanks very very much |
| 22:59.51 | mattpj | dli i mean others then what i find in there |
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| 23:00.07 | dli | mattpj, http://apt-get.org |
| 23:00.14 | mattpj | dli thanks |
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| 23:00.23 | stew | madclicker: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 23:00.31 | azeem | mattpj: why do you need sources? |
| 23:00.35 | Condector | hey... anyone know about the problem with blender to show menu? |
| 23:00.36 | stew | errr mattpj ^^ |
| 23:00.42 | Condector | or to solve this problem?? |
| 23:00.46 | StanTheMan | stew: i guess i just need to find the location of my ntpd start script eh? |
| 23:00.48 | mattpj | azeem i want unstable sites |
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| 23:01.12 | stew | StanTheMan: yeah sorry i'm not sure at this point |
| 23:01.14 | Mcool | hi can anyone tell me how to turn of auto-negotiation permenitly |
| 23:01.18 | azeem | mattpj: I hope you know what you are doing then |
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| 23:01.26 | stew | StanTheMan: check /usr/share/doc/ntp-{server,simple} |
| 23:01.29 | mike_sol | mattpj, apt-get.org |
| 23:01.41 | mattpj | azeem yes i do now i messed up a few times before i got it under control lol |
| 23:01.47 | stew | mattpj: what do you mean unstable sites? |
| 23:02.01 | goombah1234 | I think dpkg crapped out when it was changing to another version, and is only partially installed. Does anyone know what the message means exactly: "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success" |
| 23:02.20 | SlayerXP | my computer is driving nuts. one of the case fans has developed a squeak |
| 23:02.22 | mattpj | the reason i want unstable ones is because for some programs i like the new unstable ones kinda like testing in a way |
| 23:02.27 | aargh | mattpj: unstable mirrors in the offical debian mirros work well |
| 23:02.37 | caphuso | goombah1234: you downgraded dpkg? |
| 23:02.39 | stew | goombah1234: what version does "dpkg --version " report? 1.13? |
| 23:02.40 | dli | SlayerXP, disconnect it first:) |
| 23:02.54 | goombah1234 | yeah, I was trying to downgrade and it broke |
| 23:02.55 | aargh | mattpj: unless you want something specific to apt-get like mplayer, in which case msg dpkg about marrillatt |
| 23:03.01 | SlayerXP | dli: i tried that, the case temperature gets rather alarmingly high |
| 23:03.09 | goombah1234 | dpkg --version gives the same error |
| 23:03.21 | StanTheMan | stew: they're zipped. I dunno how to unzip them....sigh |
| 23:03.23 | caphuso | goombah1234: edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg and STOP DOING STUPID THINGS LIKE DOWNGRADING DPKG |
| 23:03.32 | Mcool | hi can anyone tell me how to turn of auto-negotiation permenitly on an erthnernet card |
| 23:03.35 | fbi | aargh: s/marrillatt/marillat/g |
| 23:03.43 | aargh | fbi: thanks |
| 23:03.59 | dli | SlayerXP, if it got stuck, it might demage your power unit(psu) |
| 23:04.01 | StanTheMan | stew: I dont know the syntax of tar to do it anyway |
| 23:04.04 | goombah1234 | well, it's complex...somehow I ended up with a sarge gcc, but it didn't match the version of glibc |
| 23:04.18 | stew | StanTheMan: zless file.gz |
| 23:04.21 | SlayerXP | dli: good, I'm looking for an excuse to buy a new psu |
| 23:04.42 | aargh | fbi: btw the one that dpkg lists was down all of last month, this works btw, deb http://idefix.eup.uva.es/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
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| 23:04.54 | goombah1234 | but caphuso is right...downgrading is probably not something I'll try again |
| 23:04.55 | dli | SlayerXP, leave the case partly open |
| 23:05.04 | caphuso | SlayerXP: last time a PSU died it it fried motherboard, CPU, an SCSI card and a CD burner |
| 23:05.17 | stew | ouch |
| 23:05.18 | SlayerXP | caphuso: sounds like you bought a dodgy PSU :) |
| 23:05.20 | StanTheMan | stew: /bin/zmore: less: command not found |
| 23:05.35 | StanTheMan | grrr |
| 23:05.37 | stew | StanTheMan: use "zmore file" then |
| 23:06.19 | StanTheMan | stew: the only files are changelogs and copywright |
| 23:06.28 | aargh | StanTheMan: if you wanna run ntp, just apt-get ntp-simple and modify /etc/ntp.conf and list a ntp server there |
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| 23:06.46 | dli | SlayerXP, there are unlimited ways when it goes wrong |
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| 23:07.03 | StanTheMan | aargh: i need to restart it to get it synced. It's currentlly about 3 minutes off |
| 23:07.04 | caphuso | SlayerXP: no, it was a good comparatively good one |
| 23:07.10 | goombah1234 | so /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg simply lists a log file. Is that log file actually needed by dpkg? |
| 23:07.19 | StanTheMan | aargh: i can't find the init script to restart it. I'm on woody |
| 23:07.22 | dli | StanTheMan, apt-get install ntpdate |
| 23:07.24 | caphuso | goombah1234: no, of course not |
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| 23:07.34 | stew | goombah1234: you are trying to downgrade for testing to stable? |
| 23:07.35 | Mcool | hi can anyone tell me how to turn of auto-negotiation permenitly |
| 23:07.40 | StanTheMan | dli: i need a daemon, not a "once" |
| 23:07.45 | caphuso | goombah1234: log files are always needed by the admin, never by the software that creates them |
| 23:07.45 | goombah1234 | yes, testing to stable |
| 23:07.50 | SlayerXP | caphuso: actually, I need an excuse to buy an entirely new system. dual opteron 242 just doesn't cut it anymore. |
| 23:07.57 | caphuso | SlayerXP: send it to me |
| 23:08.00 | StanTheMan | dli: my clock on the hardware is terribly inaccurate |
| 23:08.01 | stew | goombah1234: that is not supported and pretty much impossible |
| 23:08.04 | goombah1234 | ok, I'll rename it and try again |
| 23:08.19 | stew | !downgrade |
| 23:08.19 | dpkg | hmm... downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 23:08.19 | dli | StanTheMan, /etc/init.d/ntp-server stop;ntpdate pool.ntp.org;/etc/init.d/ntp-server start;hwclock --systohc |
| 23:08.22 | StanTheMan | dli: I've got ntpd running, just need to restart it to sync up |
| 23:08.59 | StanTheMan | dli: see #flood |
| 23:09.03 | FarrisG | Ok, so I've determined that I do have th ACL options built into my kernel, and I've installed the acl package. But anytime I try to change or create an ACL for an object, I get "Operation not permitted." Any ideas? |
| 23:09.09 | stew | those last two urls should probably go away from that factoid, they are outdated and don't really accomplish a downgraade |
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| 23:09.22 | dli | StanTheMan, no need, just follow the commands I gave you |
| 23:09.24 | caphuso | FarrisG: what filesystem? |
| 23:09.26 | Mcool | turn of auto-negotiation permenitly |
| 23:09.31 | FarrisG | caphuso: ext3 |
| 23:09.45 | caphuso | FarrisG: did you mount it with the acl option? |
| 23:09.47 | StanTheMan | dli: they error out |
| 23:09.49 | Mcool | can anyone advise me on how to turn of turn of auto-negotiation permenitly |
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| 23:09.58 | FarrisG | caphuso: Ah, no. let me man mount |
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| 23:10.00 | StanTheMan | dli: see #flood for error msgs |
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| 23:10.14 | caphuso | Mcool: that's how you turn off auto-repeating annoyances |
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| 23:10.34 | breiss | Help! hehe |
| 23:10.37 | FarrisG | caphuso: Ok, acl option isn't in mount's man |
| 23:10.40 | mike_sol | what's up breiss |
| 23:10.44 | StanTheMan | dli: I already used dpkg to remove the package, and apt-get to reinstall it |
| 23:10.48 | breiss | ok i have card and refresh rate :) for monitor |
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| 23:11.37 | azeem | FarrisG: it's user_xattr or something I think |
| 23:11.38 | StanTheMan | dli: how do I find the location of the start script? I think that's all I need to restart the daemon |
| 23:11.46 | breiss | i need to reconfig gdm when my box boots i put the wrong driver etc and when gde tries to load my screen goes in to power save mode till i do a crtl alt backspace to get back to console.. i tried to do a xf86config but it did nothing ??? |
| 23:11.48 | caphuso | azeem: no, that's for extended attributes |
| 23:12.05 | azeem | thought ACLs were implemented through xattrs |
| 23:12.09 | azeem | but dunno |
| 23:12.15 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.16 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.20 | azeem | ho hum |
| 23:12.21 | azeem | thanks |
| 23:12.23 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.23 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.45 | mike_sol | breiss, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or XFree86.conf as the case may be) |
| 23:13.01 | mike_sol | and put in the HorizSync values and such from yuor monitor spec |
| 23:13.05 | StanTheMan | dli: ??? please? I executed the command you gave me. It HARD errors out, and fails |
| 23:13.06 | breiss | ok just sex.. |
| 23:13.08 | goombah1234 | just to report: turning off the dpkg logging in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg seems to have got it going again. Thanks everyone. |
| 23:13.15 | breiss | opps hehe sec |
| 23:13.15 | dli | StanTheMan, I doubt you are running a debian |
| 23:13.27 | StanTheMan | dli: jesus, gimme a break |
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| 23:13.32 | mike_sol | oooh the ultimate accusation in here |
| 23:13.39 | caphuso | goombah1234: what a surprise... |
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| 23:13.42 | Seb | what';s a good command-line tool to give me the length of an mp3 ? |
| 23:13.50 | dli | StanTheMan, I already gave you all commands you need |
| 23:14.05 | StanTheMan | dli: can you please look at #flood!!! |
| 23:14.19 | caphuso | Seb: i've used mpgtx in the past |
| 23:14.22 | StudMuffin | Seb: ls -l ? |
| 23:14.24 | StanTheMan | dli: is it that hard? look at the f-kn errors from the command you gave me |
| 23:14.31 | mike_sol | calm down man |
| 23:14.46 | Seb | StudMuffin: that was smart, but obviously I want the mp3 length, not the file size. |
| 23:14.51 | Seb | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:15.08 | StanTheMan | he gives me the command to use, I use it, it errors out, and he won't look at the errors, and says it "should" work, but it's not, then blows me off |
| 23:15.19 | StanTheMan | why wouldn't I be a little perturbed... |
| 23:15.26 | mike_sol | we're not paid support. what's the command he gave you, maybe i can give it some thought |
| 23:15.37 | StanTheMan | heh |
| 23:15.49 | StanTheMan | ryan:/usr/share/doc/ntp-simple# /etc/init.d/ntp-server stop;ntpdate pool.ntp.org;/etc/init.d/ntp-server |
| 23:15.49 | StanTheMan | bash: /etc/init.d/ntp-server: No such file or directory |
| 23:15.49 | StanTheMan | 16 Nov 17:04:39 ntpdate[14043]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 23:15.49 | StanTheMan | bash: /etc/init.d/ntp-server: No such file or directory |
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| 23:16.01 | StanTheMan | dangit |
| 23:16.13 | StanTheMan | wrong clipboard.. |
| 23:16.19 | caphuso | StanTheMan: what does "dpkg -l ntp-server | tail -n1" say? |
| 23:16.20 | mike_sol | ok stan, go into /etc/init.d and see if there is an ntp-server there |
| 23:16.50 | StanTheMan | No packages found matching ntp-server |
| 23:16.58 | StanTheMan | im using ntp-simple |
| 23:17.09 | StanTheMan | ntpd is running according to top |
| 23:17.17 | mike_sol | well there isn't going to be an ntp-server command then |
| 23:17.22 | mike_sol | is there /etc/init.d/ntp-simple ? |
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| 23:17.24 | caphuso | StanTheMan: so, and what linux distribution are you using? |
| 23:17.25 | StanTheMan | 13996 root 9 0 1960 1960 1748 S 0.0 0.6 0:00 ntpd |
| 23:17.25 | lightbright | stew: what was that compare 2 files command again please? |
| 23:17.48 | StanTheMan | caphuso: uname -a: |
| 23:17.48 | mike_sol | lightbright, diff |
| 23:17.54 | lightbright | mike_sol: thanks |
| 23:17.55 | breiss | hmm. |
| 23:18.00 | StanTheMan | Linux ryan 2.4.27 #1 SMP Mon Oct 24 16:17:25 CDT 2005 i686 unknown |
| 23:18.02 | StanTheMan | woody |
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| 23:18.36 | caphuso | StanTheMan: and what files matching /etc/init.d/ntp* do you have? |
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| 23:19.02 | breiss | hello |
| 23:19.03 | breiss | ?? |
| 23:19.13 | stew | !hi breiss |
| 23:19.17 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai breiss! |
| 23:19.27 | StanTheMan | caphuso: ntp, and ntpdate |
| 23:19.38 | caphuso | StanTheMan: ok, and can you now guess what your mistake is? |
| 23:20.03 | StanTheMan | caphuso: no |
| 23:20.07 | caphuso | besides not telling that you're using a version of debian that has been deprecated almost a half year ago |
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| 23:20.31 | StanTheMan | caphuso: actually, yes: not getting the right advice, or following advice from 3 ppl here, instead of only one |
| 23:20.51 | breiss | hey mike_sol so you say i should have a xorg.conf in /etc/X11 or xfree86.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 23:20.51 | breiss | ?? |
| 23:20.55 | caphuso | StanTheMan: *sigh*... how about trying to use a non-existant file /etc/init.d/ntp-server instead of the existing /etc/init.d/ntp? |
| 23:21.18 | mike_sol | breiss, one or the other depending on whether you have Xorg or Xfree86 |
| 23:21.35 | mike_sol | it'd be XFree86.conf with the capitals btw |
| 23:21.50 | StanTheMan | caphuso: thank you! |
| 23:21.51 | dli | caphuso, I don't remember woody used /etc/init.d/ntp instead of ntp-server or ntp-simple |
| 23:21.57 | StanTheMan | caphuso: that's all I needed |
| 23:21.58 | amphi | XF86Config-4 I believe |
| 23:22.13 | mike_sol | oh, that's right, sorry breiss |
| 23:22.16 | StanTheMan | caphuso: I'm still off by 3 minutes |
| 23:22.16 | caphuso | dli: well, what you remember and what is real are not necessarily the same thing :) |
| 23:22.22 | breiss | i dont have either :) but in /etc/X11/gde/ i have a gde.conf :) that would be the one to edit since it tries to load gde and then does it's crap |
| 23:22.33 | caphuso | StanTheMan: what makes you think so? |
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| 23:22.39 | dli | caphuso, is it /etc/init.d/ntp? |
| 23:22.48 | mike_sol | can't believe i messed that up amphi, i must have typed it so many times.... i think it's tab completion that gets me cause it's always /e[tab]/X[tab]/XF[tab] |
| 23:22.53 | caphuso | dli: yes |
| 23:23.12 | amphi | mike_sol: heh |
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| 23:23.19 | breiss | so mike_sol it's /etc/X11/gdm/gde.conf |
| 23:23.27 | mike_sol | gde? no |
| 23:23.32 | StanTheMan | caphuso: i have two other boxen that show correct time using tick.wustl.edu that show within a a second of each other the same time. tick.wustl.edu is my ntp source server for this box as well, and it's off by 3 minutes compared to the other 2 |
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| 23:23.53 | mike_sol | supa i won't be typing your full name anymore that's for damn certain |
| 23:23.55 | breiss | what the heck. |
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| 23:24.02 | breiss | i have no .conf in /etc/X11 |
| 23:24.16 | breiss | ok i mean /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 23:24.17 | StanTheMan | caphuso: AFAIK, NTP won't reset the clock on the client host if it's off by more than one minute, according to ntp protocol |
| 23:24.49 | fbi | breiss: what do you intend to change in that file anyway? |
| 23:24.51 | caphuso | StanTheMan: try ntpdate -b (IIRC) |
| 23:24.57 | StanTheMan | caphuso: is that correct? do i need to shutdown the box, enter the BIOS, and get it to within 1 minute of correct time, then reboot linux? |
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| 23:25.06 | caphuso | StanTheMan: hell, no |
| 23:25.24 | breiss | something that is causeing my screen to go to powersave mode when gdm tryes to load :) |
| 23:25.37 | fbi | breiss: get rid of gdm then. |
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| 23:26.23 | Supaplex | I take it I cannot rename root, otherwise stuff like apt-get/dpkg etc breaks. :( |
| 23:26.30 | mike_sol | breiss, it's not powersave, it's likely a refresh rate too high for your screen |
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| 23:26.41 | StanTheMan | caphuso: 16 Nov 17:26:34 ntpdate[14073]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 23:26.46 | breiss | ok then what graphic user interface is a good one? |
| 23:26.57 | breiss | mikesol correct i just need to change it?? ill try that. |
| 23:27.03 | caphuso | StanTheMan: jesus christ, do you have a brain somewhere? |
| 23:27.10 | mike_sol | breiss, what happens if you run startx at the command prompt? i'd wager the same thing |
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| 23:27.15 | caphuso | StanTheMan: you need to tell ntpdate what server to use |
| 23:27.18 | mike_sol | StanTheMan, edit /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 23:27.27 | fbi | he can't type startx if he has a display manager installed |
| 23:27.33 | mike_sol | oh right |
| 23:27.44 | fbi | breiss: just get rid of gdm and startx manually. |
| 23:27.53 | mike_sol | breiss, you may need to boot up into single user mode to do that, if gdm is running on boot. |
| 23:28.04 | mike_sol | unless you can ctrl-alt-f1 down to a console |
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| 23:28.18 | fbi | breiss: getting rid of your display manager will make it _much_ easier to troubleshoot problems with X |
| 23:28.19 | breiss | i did |
| 23:28.25 | fbi | you can always install it later |
| 23:28.25 | breiss | i crtl alt backspaced gdm |
| 23:28.31 | liable | no |
| 23:28.34 | liable | remove it. |
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| 23:28.39 | fbi | breiss: you need to stop gdm |
| 23:29.22 | mike_sol | breiss, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 23:29.22 | breiss | i ps -aux to look for it i dont see it running |
| 23:29.29 | breiss | ok holdong |
| 23:29.49 | mike_sol | ill brb, i need to move this computer around so i can have two monitors on it :D |
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| 23:30.22 | breiss | it ssays gdm already running. dang this crap hehe. |
| 23:30.46 | fbi | breiss: remove it and reboot if you can't figure it out. |
| 23:30.53 | fbi | breiss: apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 23:31.03 | stew | breiss: why does he need to get rid of his display manager? |
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| 23:31.28 | StanTheMan | caphuso: i updated /etc/default/ntp-servers with "tick.wustl.edu" and I still get no servers can be used, exiting |
| 23:31.32 | goombah1234 | breiss, can't you just go /etc/init.d/gdm stop, and then use X or startX? That still works, doesn't it? |
| 23:31.47 | caphuso | StanTheMan: /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
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| 23:32.03 | breiss | when i go a gdm stop it says already running aborting |
| 23:32.14 | StanTheMan | tick.wustl.edu is 128.252.19.1, and dns resolves correctly |
| 23:32.16 | stew | breiss: are you running it as root? |
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| 23:32.31 | goombah1234 | breiss: you need to use sudo or root to stop gdm |
| 23:32.51 | StanTheMan | caphuso: thank you. That did it |
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| 23:33.26 | StanTheMan | caphuso: time is now synced to within a second or two of the other boxen |
| 23:33.40 | breiss | yes |
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| 23:34.13 | StanTheMan | caphuso: thank you, thank you |
| 23:34.29 | StanTheMan | caphuso: sry to be such a pain in the arse ;) |
| 23:34.38 | stew | breiss: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:34.54 | StanTheMan | <-- knows just enough to get into trouble, but not quite enough to get himself out of it |
| 23:34.57 | breiss | this sucks.. all i want is a graphic face for my wife.... hehe i just want to reconfig gdm but it cant even do that i do a gdmsetup and it says "cant open display" |
| 23:35.08 | StanTheMan | ;) |
| 23:35.10 | stew | breiss: your monitor is blank probably becuase your monitor is out of sync? |
| 23:35.18 | stew | err at the wrong resolution? |
| 23:35.20 | breiss | ?? dont know... |
| 23:35.25 | xerophyte | does anybody know how this AIM shopping bot works is hard to implement ourself as one boot if so how |
| 23:35.47 | stew | breiss: do you know what the max resulotion your monitor will display is? |
| 23:35.53 | dli | StanTheMan, I wonder why wouldn't you upgrade to sarge? |
| 23:35.54 | breiss | i have a 2 meg s3 trio64 so i dont even have drivers... just want until i can find drivers or what 640x480 at 85hz |
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| 23:36.01 | fbi | breiss: didn't you say ten minutes ago that the gdm "screen" was locking up on you? |
| 23:36.04 | StanTheMan | caphuso: we cool? i hope you're not irritated at me... thought i might get at least a "you're welcome" |
| 23:36.21 | breiss | it will to 640x480 85 hz 800x600 85hz and 1024x768 at 65hz |
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| 23:36.29 | StanTheMan | dli: what's the apt-command again to do a distribution upgrade? |
| 23:36.43 | breiss | fbi: on bootup till i do a crtl alt backspace and quit to console :) |
| 23:36.43 | StanTheMan | dli: it's been a while... |
| 23:36.47 | stew | StanTheMan: you mean to upgrade to sarge? |
| 23:36.52 | StanTheMan | stew: yes |
| 23:36.54 | dli | breiss, you don't need any extra driver to run s3 cards :) |
| 23:37.02 | stew | StanTheMan: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 23:37.03 | azeem | StanTheMan: read the release notes |
| 23:37.04 | breiss | for svga..? |
| 23:37.05 | dli | StanTheMan, apt-get update |
| 23:37.13 | breiss | 16 milion colors |
| 23:37.17 | dli | StanTheMan, apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 23:37.23 | stew | dli: no that's wrong |
| 23:37.30 | fbi | breiss: ok. you need to listen then. GET RID of gdm for now, and see if you can get X working manually. then, you can figure out what else is going on. |
| 23:37.38 | stew | StanTheMan: read /msg dpkg woody->sarge , don't do what dli says |
| 23:37.44 | StanTheMan | azeem: thx |
| 23:37.46 | StanTheMan | thanks all |
| 23:37.49 | dli | stew: really? I always use "stable" instead of "woody" or sarge |
| 23:37.53 | breiss | and how do i get rid of it? fbi? |
| 23:38.07 | stew | dli: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't work for woody->sarge, read the relase notes |
| 23:38.14 | antgel | !tell dli about releases |
| 23:38.19 | fbi | breiss: the same way i told you when you weren't listening. apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 23:38.36 | breiss | that will take it out of the startup too? |
| 23:38.38 | stew | breiss: run this: "DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo | more" and see what resolution its running |
| 23:38.45 | breiss | ok |
| 23:38.45 | fbi | breiss: yes. purge removes any links |
| 23:38.45 | stew | breiss: i don't think you need to stop your dm |
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| 23:38.49 | PDani_ | hi |
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| 23:38.52 | stew | fbi: why do you want him to remove the dm? |
| 23:39.02 | fbi | dude, he can't even get past the gdm screen |
| 23:39.04 | dli | stew: they should make dist-upgrade work, for dumb ones like me |
| 23:39.11 | StanTheMan | yikes! 30% breakage for most users upgrading to sarge? wow |
| 23:39.14 | fbi | why don't you understand that |
| 23:39.18 | stew | dli: they fixed it in sarg |
| 23:39.23 | StanTheMan | dliw: and me haha! |
| 23:39.28 | stew | fbi: he can hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 23:39.28 | StuckMojo | what's the point of the blackdown stuff when there's java packages released by sun for linux? |
| 23:39.30 | PDani_ | i made an encrypted partition, and the passphrase is in a file. how can i mount it, and read the passphrase from that file? |
| 23:39.43 | fbi | ok, you take over. i'm not saying another fucking word. |
| 23:39.51 | StuckMojo | just that there's debs provided? so you can apt-get them? |
| 23:39.52 | fbi | (quote that kingsley_) |
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| 23:40.44 | breiss | stew i got unable to open display "". |
| 23:41.03 | stew | breiss: run this: "DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo | more" |
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| 23:42.10 | stew | breiss: you must have left off the DISPLAY=:0 part at the beginning |
| 23:42.20 | breiss | Xlib: conection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 23:42.31 | breiss | Xlib: no protocol specified |
| 23:42.37 | stew | breiss: are you logged in as user or as root? |
| 23:42.41 | oigres | Guys, what's the environment variable that defines a library path ? |
| 23:42.43 | StanTheMan | wow |
| 23:42.45 | breiss | unable to open dislplay ":0" |
| 23:43.16 | breiss | root |
| 23:43.22 | StanTheMan | guys, after reading this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html, I get the feeling I should not attempt the upgrade at this time, because I'm not a "smart" user, as mentioned in that HTML page |
| 23:43.29 | ricochet | question: my sound (playing mp3s) seems to play a little faster than it should. Could someone point me in the right direction? thinking something with the rtc? |
| 23:43.52 | breiss | stew any ideas? |
| 23:43.55 | beardy | ricochet: Which program? |
| 23:43.56 | StanTheMan | that page says 30% breakage "assuming smart users" |
| 23:44.12 | fbi | if it's the same problem i had, it affects all media players |
| 23:44.16 | azeem | StanTheMan: that's why we have the release notes |
| 23:44.26 | breiss | maybe i should reinstall whole system? |
| 23:44.34 | StanTheMan | I don't konw enough about all my config files to manually redo them if they get borked after the dist upgrade process |
| 23:44.41 | beardy | fbi: tell him how tofix it then :) |
| 23:44.54 | stew | breiss: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 23:45.00 | fbi | ricochet: when that happened to me i found an oss module trying to load (after installing alsa) |
| 23:45.27 | stew | breiss: try that and choose vesa as the driver, and 1024x768 as the resolution, leave busid and amount of memory blank, and when in doubt hit enter |
| 23:45.35 | StanTheMan | azeem: i don't know if i have the time, or patience to manually go through all the .conf's do get my system right again though.... |
| 23:45.38 | ricochet | beardy, well its playing through alsa, through spdif, program is amarok |
| 23:45.40 | breiss | ok brb.. |
| 23:45.45 | oigres | Guys, what's the environment variable that defines a library path ? |
| 23:46.04 | StanTheMan | azeem: it took me 30 mins here with help just to get my clock synchronized lol |
| 23:46.35 | stew | oigres: man ld.so |
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| 23:47.06 | beardy | ricochet: check if what fbi said is what happens to you too |
| 23:47.23 | goombah1234 | oigres: I think it's LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 23:47.29 | breiss | so dont use s3 huh?? |
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| 23:47.36 | ricochet | beardy, well, i see a snd_mixer_oss loaded... |
| 23:47.36 | breiss | will vesa do 16 million colors? |
| 23:47.45 | garo | Does debian use a 'special' method to install cpan modules, or is it just with the cpan command like all other distros ? |
| 23:47.54 | citral | breiss: yeah |
| 23:47.54 | stew | breiss: vesa should always work, lets see if we can get anything working first |
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| 23:48.04 | sparr | Fetched 109kB in 0s (110kB/s) ... must be New Math |
| 23:48.07 | stew | breiss: s3 is problematic |
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| 23:48.39 | djw | garo: if there isn't a debian package for the perl module then I just use cpan, although it can get messy, but that's probably just cpan |
| 23:48.42 | ricochet | beardy, the alsa modules start with snd_ right? |
| 23:48.56 | dusk | question: im using irssi through gnome terminal in debian etch, how can I get the default web browser (right click/open link) to be firefox instead of the gnome browser? |
| 23:49.12 | garo | djw: thanks |
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| 23:49.39 | azeem | dusk: gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 23:49.40 | beardy | !x-www-browser |
| 23:49.40 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 23:49.44 | azeem | (I think) |
| 23:50.14 | breiss | ok brb |
| 23:50.15 | breiss | exit |
| 23:51.01 | StanTheMan | 3.0 is woody, correct? |
| 23:51.03 | Supaplex | is there a copy of parted I can boot from grub or floppy? |
| 23:51.13 | azeem | StanTheMan: yes |
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| 23:51.53 | dusk | beardy: still opens in ephifany |
| 23:51.59 | dusk | phany |
| 23:52.12 | azeem | dusk: tried gnome-default-applications-properties? |
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| 23:52.35 | citral | arf, gnome is just a bored mule |
| 23:52.42 | fbi | !beer citral |
| 23:52.44 | Guerin | azeem: is that really a program? |
| 23:52.50 | azeem | Guerin: yes |
| 23:52.55 | fbi | Supaplex: boot a livecd |
| 23:53.03 | dusk | azeem: yes.. but it still pulls from ephiphany.. should I restart the terminal? |
| 23:53.23 | dusk | also, does it really matter which terminal I use? |
| 23:53.26 | Supaplex | there's no cdrom or usb on this machine |
| 23:53.39 | Supaplex | humm maybe I'll yank the drive and stick it in my usb adapter |
| 23:53.40 | azeem | Guerin: you'd typically call it via Applications->Desktop Preferences->Advanced->Preferred Applications |
| 23:53.44 | citral | Guerin: and the new winner is? |
| 23:53.46 | azeem | Guerin: it's not meant to be called on the console |
| 23:53.54 | Guerin | citral: see above |
| 23:53.58 | FarrisG | So I have verified my kernel supports ACLs, I have remounted with the acl and user_xattr attributes, but I still get "Operation not supported" when I try to use setfacl. What's up? |
| 23:53.59 | Guerin | azeem: fair |
| 23:54.19 | dusk | there is a + next to ephphany, and a * next to firefox |
| 23:54.49 | azeem | dusk: it works here without any restarting |
| 23:54.55 | Supaplex | wow, sysrq supports switching to a new runlevel? cooool |
| 23:54.59 | dusk | azeem: then it didnt work |
| 23:55.01 | ziupiu | dusk, then ff is the default |
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| 23:55.25 | dusk | ziupiu: well.. when I right click on a link here in irssi (gnome terminal) it still uses gnome term |
| 23:55.29 | azeem | dusk: right click->Open Link is a gnome-terminal specific feature |
| 23:55.51 | azeem | dusk: it uses gnome term? |
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| 23:56.06 | dusk | azeem: yea, which term do you reccomend? |
| 23:56.22 | azeem | 00:50 < dusk> ziupiu: well.. when I right click on a link here in irssi (gnome terminal) it still uses gnome term |
| 23:56.25 | azeem | I can't parse that |
| 23:56.34 | azeem | dusk: I don't recommend anything, use what you like |
| 23:56.42 | dusk | oh.. i mean gnome browser |
| 23:56.45 | beardy | dusk: It uses gnome term to open http://?, is probably what azeem meant, I think.. |
| 23:56.52 | dusk | yea i made a mistake |
| 23:56.53 | citral | if they don't stop breaking things in the 2.6 series I'll soon switch back to 2.4 |
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| 23:57.07 | dusk | i guess gnome term ALWAYS will use gnome browser for "open link" |
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| 23:57.09 | dusk | which is kinda dumb |
| 23:57.18 | citral | now the alsa driver bitches a whole 10 lines of crap |
| 23:57.35 | beardy | dusk: perhaps, but copying and pasting a link isn't that painful is it? |
| 23:57.37 | fbi | i'll take an alsa patched 2.4 kernel over a 2.6 kernel for my desktop any day |
| 23:57.46 | azeem | dusk: so you changed the Web Browser from Epiphany to Firefox in gnome-default-applications-properties ? |
| 23:58.00 | dusk | beardy: well no, but its more of a convience thing.. i want it to do something, its linux/open source, I should be able to get it done |
| 23:58.10 | dusk | azeem: correct |
| 23:58.11 | azeem | beardy: I think it's a handy feature, even more so if your web browser is minimized/on another desktop |
| 23:58.13 | beardy | dusk: Yes. Of course. |
| 23:58.35 | beardy | It's also free software. |
| 23:58.47 | azeem | dusk: well, sorry then |
| 23:58.52 | dusk | s'ok |
| 23:58.56 | azeem | works for me :-/ |
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| 23:59.03 | dusk | do you use gnome-term? |
| 23:59.05 | azeem | yes |
| 23:59.08 | dusk | wtf |
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| 23:59.58 | dusk | it works! |
