| 00:00.05 | dusk | azeem: thanks |
| 00:00.41 | dusk | azeem: i ran it as root the first time |
| 00:00.48 | azeem | ah |
| 00:00.50 | azeem | well yeah |
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| 00:01.05 | azeem | the difference to update-alternatives is that this one is per-user |
| 00:01.12 | Elly | "There are literally several levels of SCO being wrong. And even if we were to live in that alternate universe where SCO would be right, they'd still be wrong." |
| 00:01.13 | breiss | ok gdm runs :) how can i see how many colors I am running? |
| 00:01.14 | azeem | whereas update-alternatives is system-wide |
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| 00:02.14 | Andy837 | anyone in here know of a FREE hosting control panel like cPanel (tried vhcs but it's crap).... |
| 00:02.31 | citral | breiss: put your sunglasses off |
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| 00:03.19 | beoba | YEAH!!! BABIES EVERYWHERE!! |
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| 00:03.38 | liable | ?? |
| 00:03.44 | citral | barbies or babys? |
| 00:04.00 | beoba | oh dear |
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| 00:04.06 | beoba | hold on, i'll find the link |
| 00:04.13 | beoba | you are missing an important piece of internet culture |
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| 00:05.08 | beoba | http://www.jengajam.com/r/nutrigrain_ad/jz |
| 00:05.08 | beoba | random mirror, others can be found with "nutragrain ad" |
| 00:05.45 | stew | breiss: xdpyinfo |
| 00:06.18 | stew | breiss: look for depth |
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| 00:07.16 | Andy837 | anyone in here know of a FREE hosting control panel like cPanel (tried vhcs but it's crap).... |
| 00:07.28 | beoba | *shrug* |
| 00:07.42 | fbi | !beer abrotman |
| 00:07.47 | fbi | a beer sounds nice right about now |
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| 00:08.00 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 00:08.30 | fbi | i'm gonna have to bone out early and grab some sapporros |
| 00:09.25 | harfooz | hi all. I'm still having trouble with my locale. I've made a screenie of the issue, and posted it at this url: http://penguinsolutions.org/screenshots/colours.png |
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| 00:09.44 | harfooz | I have my locale set to US, but British seems to be what is used. |
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| 00:09.53 | IanDoh | anyone i here watch Lost? |
| 00:10.05 | StanTheMan | caphuso: sorry to bother you again. I've got a 2nd box I'm setting up for ntpd. I've got all the files updated for ntp source servers, and ntpdate ran fine, and synced up the clock perfectly. This box does have "ntp-server", and when I "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start", i get "Starting NTP server: ntpd" but it never shows up in TOP, and I don't see any error msgs in /var/log/syslog, although I *do* see the output from ntp |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | harfooz: or the translation is bad |
| 00:10.07 | henryb | if one accidentally were to delete an init script (/etc/init.d/apache2) how would you get the one that comees with the package? if i remove and install, it still doesn't get written |
| 00:10.16 | abrotman | harfooz: which app is it ? |
| 00:10.18 | harfooz | abrotman, any ideas about what I can try? |
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| 00:10.24 | harfooz | abrotman, this is in Gnome. |
| 00:10.28 | abrotman | harfooz: which app ? |
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| 00:10.44 | harfooz | abrotman, openoffice.org and gimp don't exhibit the same behavior. |
| 00:10.52 | trym | my sound somehow disappeared when I removed and reinstalled kde.. any ideas? |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | harfooz: is it gnome-terminal ? |
| 00:11.01 | harfooz | abrotman, yeah |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | harfooz: if you notice .. color is spelled differently in two places |
| 00:11.47 | harfooz | ah -- I had not noticed that! |
| 00:11.55 | abrotman | harfooz: and it's the same on mine .. and i certainly am not british |
| 00:12.02 | harfooz | abrotman, I should have also mentioned this is in sid. |
| 00:12.04 | abrotman | harfooz: but i do use UTF |
| 00:12.17 | henryb | how do i extract the init script that apache2 comes with? |
| 00:12.31 | harfooz | abrotman, I don't understand what those difference is between ISO and UTF -- is UTF recommended? |
| 00:12.42 | abrotman | harfooz: no .. i just mentioned that i use UTF |
| 00:12.45 | myren | are you not supposed to use IP addressed for DNS's nameserver listings? |
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| 00:12.57 | abrotman | myren: where ? |
| 00:12.59 | harfooz | abrotman, ah --ok |
| 00:13.11 | harfooz | abrotman, so this sounds like a "non-issue", huh? |
| 00:13.18 | harfooz | nothing to lose sleep over then. |
| 00:13.19 | harfooz | ? |
| 00:13.24 | abrotman | harfooz: i mean .. you can file a bug if you want .. it's a 'translation' bug i suppose |
| 00:13.30 | nono31 | How do I control my computer fan speed? |
| 00:13.33 | myren | primary secondary dns listing for domain names |
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| 00:13.44 | abrotman | myren: in your dns server or at your registrar ? |
| 00:13.48 | harfooz | abrotman, as my wife said -- "Just speak British when you see it." |
| 00:13.58 | abrotman | harfooz: hehe |
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| 00:14.18 | harfooz | abrotman, time for dinner here -- thanks very much for pointing out the two different spellings on the same screenie! |
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| 00:14.29 | abrotman | harfooz: enjoy |
| 00:14.30 | myren | abrotman: at register |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | registrar |
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| 00:14.47 | abrotman | myren: you're supposed to tell them about your DNS servers .. and then use the name |
| 00:14.53 | abrotman | myren: usually anyways |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | nvz: shouldn't you be sleeping ? |
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| 00:17.04 | paulswm | abrotman: I can't remember why I am here, plz help!!1!11! |
| 00:17.52 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. you lost your marbles again? |
| 00:17.56 | Andy837 | totally pee'd off with vhcs how can i remove + purge everything for VHCS (debian)? |
| 00:18.02 | breiss | hey stew i did that i still get cannot open display |
| 00:18.07 | breiss | but gdm loads now |
| 00:23.03 | breiss | BLAH |
| 00:23.04 | paulswm | WOW |
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| 00:24.17 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 00:24.18 | goombah1234 | what just happened? |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | Andy837: see what happens when you get upset?! |
| 00:24.18 | DeFi | netsplit |
| 00:24.18 | Andy837 | abrotman: yeh - it is shite tho! lol |
| 00:24.19 | StanTheMan | stew: 2nd box. got time synced perfectly. Can't get ntpd running, although "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" shows: "Starting NTP server: ntpd" I don't see anything is /var/log/syslog showing daemon startup failure, only drift date in microseconds |
| 00:24.19 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:24.19 | resiak | Yay, you all came back. |
| 00:24.19 | resiak | !info arts etch |
| 00:24.19 | StanTheMan | stew: 2nd box. got time synced perfectly. Can't get ntpd running, although "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" shows: "Starting NTP server: ntpd" I don't see anything is /var/log/syslog showing daemon startup failure, only drift date in microseconds |
| 00:24.20 | StanTheMan | stew: 2nd box. got time synced perfectly. Can't get ntpd running, although "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" shows: "Starting NTP server: ntpd" I don't see anything is /var/log/syslog showing daemon startup failure, only drift date in microseconds |
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| 00:24.20 | StanTheMan | stew: 2nd box. got time synced perfectly. Can't get ntpd running, although "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" shows: "Starting NTP server: ntpd" I don't see anything is /var/log/syslog showing daemon startup failure, only drift date in microseconds |
| 00:24.21 | toresbe | ... |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | StanTheMan: wtf |
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| 00:24.23 | dpkg | arts: (sound system from the official KDE release), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.2-5 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 12 kB |
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| 00:24.23 | StanTheMan | it wasn't my fault |
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| 00:24.26 | resiak | trym: arts _is_ in the apt repos |
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| 00:24.28 | trym | resiak: the etch rep even.. do you know its package name ? |
| 00:24.28 | StanTheMan | stew: you see my question? |
| 00:24.28 | trym | nevermind |
| 00:24.28 | beardy | ehm.. |
| 00:24.28 | resiak | trym: Did you see what dpkg just said? Also, man apt-cache |
| 00:24.28 | coax | I need some help with gnome about pesonalized menus.. i can |
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| 00:24.29 | abrotman | you can! |
| 00:24.29 | Andy837 | abrotman: yeh - it is shite tho! lol |
| 00:24.32 | Andy837 | totally pee'd off with vhcs how can i remove + purge everything for VHCS (debian)? |
| 00:24.33 | coax | i can't access "applications:///" |
| 00:24.33 | trym | nevermind.. I must have mispelled it |
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| 00:24.33 | abrotman | Andy837: in sarge ? |
| 00:24.33 | coax | abrotman, no i can NOT! |
| 00:24.33 | Andy837 | yh |
| 00:24.33 | Wyzard | Andy837: "dpkg --purge" the relevant packages |
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| 00:24.34 | abrotman | wtf is the package name ? |
| 00:24.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: i was going to tell you something ... hrm ... |
| 00:24.35 | toresbe | abrotman: nope, it probably isn't |
| 00:24.35 | Wyzard | Andy837: We went over this before -- VHCS is not in Debian and you're using unofficial packages, so we have no idea what the package names are that you need to purge |
| 00:24.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh no .. i was going to bitch about gentoo at you! |
| 00:24.35 | toresbe | abrotman: (HARHAR) :P |
| 00:24.36 | Andy837 | any quick way to start over? |
| 00:24.36 | abrotman | Andy837: is vhcs in debian ? |
| 00:24.36 | Andy837 | no |
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| 00:24.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: It isn't... I saw his sources.list a few days ago and he's using some unofficial source for it |
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| 00:24.39 | dockane | hi all .. i would like to use convert (imagemagick) in a small for-loop. how do i make " for i in ÂīlsÂī; ......" work with filenames containing whitespaces ? |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: wtf is vhcs ? |
| 00:24.39 | Wyzard | no idea |
| 00:24.39 | dondelelcaro | dockane: don't. Use find and xargs. |
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| 00:24.41 | myren | what should i do for a secondary domain name server? |
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| 00:24.44 | abrotman | myren: you're not required to have one |
| 00:24.45 | Guerin | myren: zoneedit.com |
| 00:25.00 | Supaplex | how do I degrade an ext3fs to ext2? (workaround for bug #291234) |
| 00:25.20 | myren | Supaplex: mount -t ext2 |
| 00:25.21 | abrotman | Supaplex: afaik ... just mount it ext2 |
| 00:25.30 | coax | is there really noone who knows anything about the menus in gnome? |
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| 00:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: or tune2fs -O ^has_journal |
| 00:27.25 | lunitik | coax: what you need? |
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| 00:28.23 | pedro | Hello everyone |
| 00:28.30 | StanTheMan | hello pedro |
| 00:28.44 | pedro | I am trying to install nvidia driver |
| 00:28.58 | resiak | !nvidia howto |
| 00:28.58 | dpkg | nvidia-howto is, like, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
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| 00:29.05 | lunitik | coax: install smeg |
| 00:29.20 | pedro | I know I need to install kernel-headers of my version but I cannot find in the repository |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | wtf does smeg have to do with gnome ? |
| 00:29.27 | trym | I removed kde.. and reinstalled it.. what can I have removed that would cause my sound system to stop working? |
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| 00:29.49 | lunitik | abrotman: customizing gnome menu was what he asked about... thats what it does... |
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| 00:30.14 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 00:30.26 | resiak | pedro: So install a kernel for which headers exist? |
| 00:30.27 | StanTheMan | sigh... |
| 00:30.28 | coax | lunitik, i need to make simular menus on about 60 boxes... i dont think smeg is the ideal solution... |
| 00:30.36 | lunitik | abrotman: if I'm off the mark... my bad... I didn't scroll up that much :/ |
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| 00:30.52 | StanTheMan | ntpd says it's starting, however, the process never shows up in TOP |
| 00:30.55 | pedro | I am looking for kernel-headers-2.6.11 |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | coax: read the help files about the menu system . you can make your own |
| 00:31.19 | StanTheMan | this in on another box btw, not the one I just got running correclt |
| 00:31.36 | coax | lunitik, where can i find them? |
| 00:31.47 | lunitik | coax: something like sabyon or whatever maybe? |
| 00:31.56 | pedro | where can I find it? |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | coax: /etc/menu/README .. |
| 00:31.57 | StanTheMan | I checked all my logs (that I know of) and I don't see a "failure" msg of any kind for ntpd |
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| 00:32.01 | PDani_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.21 | coax | lunitik, oki... gnome.org is'nt much helpful... |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | coax: /etc/menu/README .. |
| 00:32.31 | StanTheMan | any ideas anyone? |
| 00:32.35 | resiak | pedro: Install a newer kernel. This is what you get for tracking testing/sid |
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| 00:32.47 | PDani_ | cron's minimal time-step is the minute. if i need to run a job secondly, how can i do it? |
| 00:33.01 | pedro | Install a new kernel?But isn't it very complicated? |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | PDani_: a script |
| 00:33.15 | StanTheMan | Nov 16 18:18:35 greer ntpd[15750]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags 4000000 |
| 00:33.32 | StanTheMan | that's from /var/log/debug |
| 00:33.36 | StanTheMan | I don't know what it means |
| 00:33.49 | StanTheMan | is that the reason ntpd is not starting? |
| 00:34.47 | Wyzard | pedro: apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 00:35.07 | StanTheMan | or do I not have /etc/ntp.conf correct? |
| 00:35.13 | Wyzard | pedro: 2.6.14 is the current kernel in sid |
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| 00:35.43 | peterS | PDani_: while sleep N; do {something}; done <-- N is in seconds |
| 00:35.54 | pedro | but install that kernel is complicated I think |
| 00:36.21 | resiak | pedro: apt-get install linux-image-blablbaldalbaun |
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| 00:36.47 | pedro | and is that all? |
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| 00:36.59 | pedro | whith that I have a new kernel installed? |
| 00:37.05 | lunitik | pedro: he means "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686" (enless you're on a diff arch) |
| 00:37.16 | peterS | pedro: yes but you still have to reboot to actually be running that kernel |
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| 00:37.24 | resiak | Oh gods, he actually thought that blablbaldalbaun was the right text? |
| 00:37.54 | harfooz | pedro, do you have a fancy-schmancy video card like nvidia? If you do, then you'll need to re-do the driver installation compiled against your new kernel. |
| 00:38.04 | lunitik | resiak: as apposed to "linux-image-2.6.13-686" :/ |
| 00:38.17 | lunitik | resiak: that way apt will take care of future upgrades :/ |
| 00:38.18 | abrotman | opposed |
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| 00:38.34 | lunitik | abrotman: sorry... I wasn't aware I was in English class? |
| 00:38.35 | resiak | lunitik: You tell me this why? |
| 00:38.43 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm just helping you :) |
| 00:38.58 | lunitik | resiak: because you didn't seem to understand why I said it? |
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| 00:39.39 | abrotman | stupid bots |
| 00:39.55 | peterS | now, now, Rez isn't a stupid bot |
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| 00:40.55 | abrotman | that's a big no |
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| 00:41.45 | abrotman | apt-get install udev |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | The following held packages will be changed: |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.59 | abrotman | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 00:41.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.01 | abrotman | wtf is that ? |
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| 00:42.16 | StanTheMan | god damnit...why is ntpd starting!??!??!?!?!?!! |
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| 00:42.26 | abrotman | because you made it |
| 00:42.34 | StanTheMan | *not* starting that is |
| 00:42.41 | StanTheMan | grrr |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | look in the error log |
| 00:43.10 | StanTheMan | Nov 16 18:18:35 greer ntpd[15750]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags 4000000Nov 16 18:18:35 greer ntpd[15750]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags 4000000 |
| 00:43.16 | StanTheMan | wtf does that mean? |
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| 00:43.24 | StanTheMan | it's from /var/log/debug |
| 00:43.32 | trym | I removed kde.. and reinstalled it.. what can I have removed that would cause my sound system to stop working? |
| 00:43.42 | StanTheMan | i "assume" that's what's keeping it from starting |
| 00:43.55 | dockane | dondelelcaro, thank you for your help. i read the man pages of xarg and find. i do not understand the way, the filenames are substituted to rm in this example : find /tmp -name core -type f -print0 | xargs -0 /bin/rm -f |
| 00:44.01 | fbi | why aren't you just using ntpdate, you can cron it to run whenever you want |
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| 00:44.31 | StanTheMan | what I "don't" see in any log is ntp-server connecting to tick.wustl.edu to grab the time |
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| 00:45.14 | dockane | dondelelcaro, doesnt rm expect its target afterwards (like rm -f TARGET) ? |
| 00:45.20 | stew | dockane: that will find all the files named core, then it will run the command rm -f path1/core path2/core path3/core.... with all the core files it found on one line |
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| 00:45.36 | StanTheMan | fbi: because the hardware clock on this machine seems to be very innaccurate, and I need the ntp daemon running to keep it correct. This machine is a mail hub, and I need correct timestamps on the mail |
| 00:45.42 | stew | dockane: xargs takes what it is fed on stdin and creates a new command line out of it |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | StanTheMan: hwclock ? |
| 00:46.08 | dockane | stew, of course, sorry. thnx |
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| 00:46.24 | stew | dockane: find creates a list like, file1 file2 file3 file4, then xargs takes that list and adds it to the end of "rm -f" |
| 00:46.49 | StanTheMan | abrotman: yeah, it's a damn Abit BP6 motherboard, and apparently for some reason, it don't keep time worth a dam...probably due to Mhz variation on the crystal |
| 00:47.00 | fbi | cmos battery? |
| 00:47.03 | bbrazil | dockane: there is a -n option to xargs which tells it not to run the command if there are no arguments available - this is usually not the case though |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | dead! |
| 00:47.19 | eurisko | hi everyone , i managed to install debian on a ibook g4 on a external usb hard drive , i have already the Os installed on teh drive now my problem simply is related that the open firmware dosen't detect the usb drive ... |
| 00:47.27 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:47.27 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 00:47.32 | myren | how do you permeneantly set the host name for a system? |
| 00:47.37 | StanTheMan | fbi: nah, not battery, just a shitty clock chip |
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| 00:47.52 | bob2 | ciao |
| 00:47.57 | stew | aloha |
| 00:47.59 | abrotman | see .. i told you guys bob2 wasn't dead! |
| 00:48.00 | dood | myren: /etc/hosts |
| 00:48.05 | StanTheMan | fbi: any ideas on why ntpd isn't starting, and how to get it to start? |
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| 00:48.37 | fbi | StanTheMan: i would verify that ntpd is even in /etc/init.d first of all, if it isn't, man update-rc.d |
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| 00:48.49 | abrotman | !feed me |
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| 00:48.56 | stew | StanTheMan: try running it by hand on the command line and see if it spits out any errors |
| 00:48.58 | antgel | grr. d-u is boucing some cunty challenge response email |
| 00:49.11 | StanTheMan | fbi: when i run it manually with "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" it says "Starting NTP server: ntpd" but it never shows up in the process list or in TOP |
| 00:49.14 | dockane | still one question ;). i need the filename from the find command again as an option for the comammand xargs produces ... |
| 00:49.30 | StanTheMan | stew: it returns no errors on the command line |
| 00:49.34 | antgel | StanTheMan: ntp will quit if your skew is large |
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| 00:49.40 | StanTheMan | stew: but it never shows up as running in TOP |
| 00:49.45 | antgel | StanTheMan: check the logs |
| 00:49.54 | peterS | dockane: you assume there will only be one filename? |
| 00:50.03 | stew | StanTheMan: are you running it with the same command line that init.d/ntp-server is? have you checked /etc/defaults/ntp* |
| 00:50.09 | peterS | dockane: in that case, just run a shell command with $(find ...) in the middle of it |
| 00:50.26 | peterS | dockane: without xargs at all |
| 00:50.33 | StanTheMan | antgel: Nov 16 18:48:42 greer ntpd[15801]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags 4000000 |
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| 00:50.58 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 00:51.01 | harfooz | I just got a new NEC DVD burner in today. If I shut down and replace the burner with this new one, is there something I need to do to get Debian to recognize this new burner? |
| 00:51.08 | resiak | Probably not. |
| 00:51.11 | MrEntropy | does debian java a j2sdk 1.5 package? |
| 00:51.12 | antgel | StanTheMan: i'm sure i've seen that once and it was a weird thing like no dma on the hard drive. but i'm tired, you might want to ignore me |
| 00:51.18 | resiak | MrEntropy: /topic |
| 00:51.20 | dockane | peterS, the solution i had (which did not work with whitespaces) looked like this : for i in ÂīlsÂī; do convert $i Âībasename $i fooÂī.bar; done |
| 00:51.23 | stew | MrEntropy: no, /msg dpkg java |
| 00:51.28 | bob2 | antgel: can you tell who it's (really) from? if so, email the listmasters and they'll kick it off |
| 00:51.38 | peterS | dockane: that won't work in any shell, you have to use ascii characters |
| 00:52.10 | dockane | peterS, this characters are .... ? |
| 00:52.27 | peterS | dockane: I don't know what you typed, though I suppose you meant to type the ` character |
| 00:52.48 | peterS | dockane: you ended up with some open-single-quote character or something. shells won't like that |
| 00:53.09 | antgel | bob2: yep. petsupermarket@uol.com.br. i'll email them. thanks. it's fucking emailing me 8 times for every message i post to d-u |
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| 00:53.28 | StanTheMan | stew: ahh.. exists "ntpdate" in /etc/defaults, but not "ntp-server" in /etc/defaults |
| 00:53.38 | StanTheMan | stew: think that might have something do do with it? |
| 00:53.43 | stew | StanTheMan: no |
| 00:53.54 | dockane | peterS, better: for i in ?ls?; do convert $i ?basename $i foo?.bar; done ? |
| 00:53.58 | StanTheMan | stew: btw, the ntp-server start script is like a page long |
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| 00:54.23 | peterS | dockane: I don't know *what* characters those are. you definitely need to work on your text input before turning it loose on a shell |
| 00:54.23 | stew | StanTheMan: yeah, its not long at all |
| 00:54.34 | peterS | dockane: but $() is better than `` for several reasons, this being one of them |
| 00:54.53 | antgel | StanTheMan: just out of interest, check your dma on your hard disks |
| 00:55.09 | StanTheMan | stew: what I don't get is I'm not getting any error msgs in the logs saying that ntpd DID NOT start, and I'm not getting errors on the command line when i "/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" |
| 00:55.11 | efaistos | I have many fonts in my .fonts directory but Ooffice doesnt see them ?! Do you know how to add those extra fonts ? |
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| 00:55.27 | stew | StanTheMan: becuase it is starting |
| 00:55.27 | StanTheMan | stew: it just says it's starting it. But then it never starts... |
| 00:55.28 | peterS | dockane: assuming you figure out the `` or $( ) business, the next thing to do is to quote $i everywhere you use it, like "$i" |
| 00:55.37 | stew | StanTheMan: then its crashing with a broken pipe error |
| 00:55.40 | bob2 | antgel: holy fuck |
| 00:55.43 | StanTheMan | stew: then why doesn't ntpd show up in top? |
| 00:55.57 | stew | StanTheMan: becuase its dies |
| 00:55.59 | peterS | dockane: then, instead of using a for loop, use a while loop: ls | while read i; do convert "$i" "$(basename "$i")"; done |
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| 00:56.01 | stew | StanTheMan: as you are seeing in the logs |
| 00:56.04 | StanTheMan | stew: where should I be able to find that broken pipe error in a log? |
| 00:56.16 | stew | StanTheMan: you found it already |
| 00:56.19 | peterS | well, with the appropriate arguments around basename |
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| 00:56.26 | StanTheMan | stew: it doesn't show it "exiting" though |
| 00:56.30 | stew | StanTheMan: i only know you are getting it becuase you pasted it here |
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| 00:57.13 | dockane | peterS, yes but i ended up with find and xarg (thnx dondelelcaro) because of whitespaces in the filenames |
| 00:57.17 | StanTheMan | stew: does the mere fact that it puts something in /var/log/debug mean that it's failing upon start? |
| 00:57.47 | antgel | bob2: know the listmaster email? i'm having issues |
| 00:57.48 | peterS | dockane: fine, then, figure out how to make xargs do what you want. I don't think it can, but I could be wrong. the loop I gave you, with 'read' in it, will work |
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| 00:58.12 | stew | StanTheMan: are you sure its not running and just not showing up in the first page of top? |
| 00:58.13 | peterS | dockane: ...will work with spaces in filenames, I mean. it won't work with newlines in filenames, unfortunately - that's where xargs -0 really helps |
| 00:58.17 | stew | StanTheMan: have you tried looking for it with ps? |
| 00:58.21 | antgel | bob2: got it :) |
| 00:58.28 | bob2 | heh |
| 00:58.46 | sanxiyn | Microcosmos: http://www.yellowtab.com/images/news/ooo/dependencies.jpg |
| 00:59.02 | StanTheMan | stew: ps -ef doesn't show it either |
| 00:59.24 | StanTheMan | stew: btw, ntps IS running on that other box, and it shows the same messages in /var/log/debug |
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| 00:59.29 | StanTheMan | ntpd that is |
| 00:59.44 | StanTheMan | stew: top only has 1 page on this box |
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| 00:59.54 | StanTheMan | stew: very few processes |
| 00:59.57 | StanTheMan | less than 20 |
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| 01:00.29 | StanTheMan | stew: actually 29 processes |
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| 01:01.17 | antgel | StanTheMan: what if you run it from the bash prompt (with appropriate options)? |
| 01:01.17 | stew | StanTheMan: i'd try stracing it then |
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| 01:01.30 | StanTheMan | stew: i've never used strace |
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| 01:01.46 | peterS | hmmm, I should be somewhere right now, and that place is about 19 minutes away. nobody'll mind if I'm late but I probably shouldn't be much later than I already am |
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| 01:01.54 | StanTheMan | stew: can you look in #flood plz |
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| 01:02.05 | tummyacid | heya guys |
| 01:02.06 | Guerin | !plz |
| 01:02.06 | dpkg | i heard plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 01:02.16 | dockane | peterS, mmh thats nice. thx |
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| 01:02.37 | allow | ok i'm installing "captive" on linux (knoppix). while compiling i get an error message that says that "gnome-vfs-module-2.0" was not found. what not? |
| 01:02.41 | allow | *what now? |
| 01:02.49 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 01:02.50 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
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| 01:03.05 | allow | !knoppix |
| 01:03.06 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 01:03.11 | allow | cool |
| 01:03.15 | beardy | allow: Ask #knoppix please. |
| 01:03.20 | fbi | ugh. compiling on knoppix. just the sound of those words makes me gassy. |
| 01:03.25 | allow | i know |
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| 01:03.31 | sanxiyn | allow: It was not found. You can install it. |
| 01:03.40 | StanTheMan | damn got booted for too much paste into #flood |
| 01:03.46 | saloxin | StanTheMan: what does /usr/sbin/ntpd say if you just run it? |
| 01:03.49 | fbi | !pal StanTheMan |
| 01:03.50 | StanTheMan | stew: i think it still made it to #flood |
| 01:03.54 | allow | i know i can install it. i just cant find it. |
| 01:03.58 | StanTheMan | stew: can you look at that plz |
| 01:04.00 | allow | google and everything |
| 01:04.05 | allow | well off to knoppix |
| 01:04.13 | StanTheMan | stew: that's the output from ntpd starting |
| 01:04.15 | antgel | !tell StanTheMan about plz |
| 01:04.23 | MrEntropy | sanxiyn: is this zeta OS based on the linux kernel? |
| 01:04.34 | tummyacid | whois mike__ |
| 01:04.38 | tummyacid | opps |
| 01:04.39 | mike__ | thats me |
| 01:04.39 | tummyacid | sry |
| 01:04.42 | sanxiyn | MrEntropy: No, OpenOffice dependency graph. |
| 01:04.44 | mike__ | lol |
| 01:04.54 | sanxiyn | MrEntropy: Made by OOo Zeta porting team. |
| 01:05.00 | tummyacid | are you sure? |
| 01:05.05 | mike__ | kinda |
| 01:05.16 | MrEntropy | sanxiyn: what about the actual OS? know anything about it? |
| 01:05.40 | sanxiyn | allow: libgnomevfs2-dev |
| 01:06.02 | sanxiyn | allow: You can use apt-file to do similar search next time. |
| 01:06.03 | StanTheMan | saloxin: it still doesn't start, but gives no error on the command line |
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| 01:06.25 | tummyacid | whois tummyacid |
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| 01:06.31 | allow | back |
| 01:06.49 | allow | sanxiyn: that's the package i want? |
| 01:06.52 | StanTheMan | screw it...I'll work on it later. I have to get some food. |
| 01:06.55 | sanxiyn | allow: Yes. |
| 01:06.58 | allow | thanks |
| 01:06.59 | StanTheMan | or im gonna pass out hehe |
| 01:07.42 | antgel | StanTheMan: i often get like that at work. no rest for the wicked |
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| 01:08.31 | Novell12 | someoen help me out with apt-get . i got a |
| 01:08.33 | Novell12 | # cache directory. All Contents files will be stored in this directory |
| 01:08.35 | Novell12 | cache = /var/cache/auto-apt |
| 01:08.37 | Novell12 | # verbose. Run apt-file in verbose mode |
| 01:08.39 | Novell12 | verbose off |
| 01:08.41 | Novell12 | # arch. Processor architecture (defaults to host architecture) |
| 01:08.43 | Novell12 | # arch = i386 |
| 01:08.45 | Novell12 | # sources-list. Where to find the `sources-list' file |
| 01:08.47 | Novell12 | sources-list = /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:08.49 | Novell12 | # ftp-passive. Switch to passive ftp connection |
| 01:08.51 | Novell12 | ftp-passive on |
| 01:08.53 | Novell12 | # case-sensitive. Find files in case sensitive mode |
| 01:08.53 | allow | never installed a .deb file. |
| 01:08.55 | Novell12 | case-sensiti |
| 01:08.57 | Novell12 | oops |
| 01:08.59 | Novell12 | sorry |
| 01:09.01 | Novell12 | XD |
| 01:09.01 | Ronin | Novell12: best stop before you get kicked :) |
| 01:09.02 | antgel | Novell12: stop that |
| 01:09.05 | Novell12 | sor yfor the flood :S |
| 01:09.10 | tummyacid | wow i cantbelive hes still here |
| 01:09.22 | Novell12 | im sorry i got the wrong copy in my clipboard |
| 01:09.23 | antgel | Novell12: respect for avoiding the auto kick |
| 01:09.34 | blondie | "haha shouldn't you be running NetWare"? |
| 01:09.39 | Novell12 | lol |
| 01:09.41 | Ronin | ya no kidding, very impressive |
| 01:09.43 | Novell12 | lol |
| 01:09.44 | tummyacid | no kidding, i want the warscript novell12 is running |
| 01:09.48 | Debian12 | lol |
| 01:09.57 | antgel | !tell Debian12 about lol |
| 01:10.08 | blondie | there is nothing wrong with "lol". |
| 01:10.08 | dkg0 | allow: (as root:) apt-get install libgnomevfs2-dev |
| 01:10.08 | Debian12 | haha |
| 01:10.21 | Debian12 | somoen can tell me what wrong. i try to apt-get install and i got that msg: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 01:10.24 | MrEntropy | is zeta just a child of beos? |
| 01:10.31 | antgel | !topicsmite Debian12 |
| 01:10.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Debian12. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:10.40 | neoxan_ | does anyone know if there are dll injectors for linux? so i can inject dlls into running processes |
| 01:10.40 | neoxan_ | ? |
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| 01:10.51 | shad0wcat | dlls? |
| 01:10.54 | shad0wcat | DLLS? |
| 01:11.00 | antgel | neoxan_: wtf |
| 01:11.05 | neoxan_ | those microsoft libs, yeah |
| 01:11.05 | neoxan_ | :D |
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| 01:11.12 | shad0wcat | neoxan_: this isn't Windows |
| 01:11.15 | shad0wcat | and thank god it isn't |
| 01:11.30 | neoxan_ | :-) |
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| 01:11.35 | salahuddin | hello, how to install debian splash in gnome |
| 01:11.54 | shad0wcat | debian splash? |
| 01:11.58 | liable | splash in gnome? bootsplash? |
| 01:12.02 | allow | Package libgnomevfs2-dev is not available, but is reffered to by another package. |
| 01:12.13 | shad0wcat | allow: yeah so? |
| 01:12.16 | sanxiyn | salahuddin: Isn't Debian splash screen the default? |
| 01:12.34 | sanxiyn | allow: Well, this is not #knoppix. It is certainly libgnomevfs2-dev in Debian. |
| 01:12.55 | salahuddin | sanxiyn: i have got a another one i wanna install it. but it gives me a png file. |
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| 01:13.09 | shad0wcat | !bootsplash |
| 01:13.09 | dpkg | [bootsplash] http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 01:13.13 | shad0wcat | next! |
| 01:13.34 | sanxiyn | neoxan_: DLL injection is never safe. It's done in Windows world, precisely because sources are not available. |
| 01:14.13 | shad0wcat | I don't see why linux should support dlls in the first place |
| 01:14.14 | neoxan_ | or because you want to cheat in a game |
| 01:14.15 | neoxan_ | :D |
| 01:14.17 | shad0wcat | we have our own libraries |
| 01:14.29 | shad0wcat | neoxan_: go somewhere else you troll |
| 01:14.44 | sanxiyn | neoxan_: Well, if you can cheat that way, game client is designed wrong. |
| 01:15.05 | neoxan_ | shad0wcat, im not trolling, if im asking something |
| 01:15.08 | shad0wcat | the sad part is that he goes to all that trouble to get 10,000 in cash/minerals/experience points |
| 01:15.19 | shad0wcat | neoxan_: for this particular purpose you are trolling |
| 01:15.20 | sanxiyn | DLL injection is on the line of "binary patching". If you have source, you don't need that. |
| 01:15.33 | sanxiyn | neoxan_: Well, this is not Windows channel. |
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| 01:15.37 | shad0wcat | if you had a reason for doing it in WINE because you were developing something |
| 01:15.41 | shad0wcat | then ya, it's legit |
| 01:15.45 | shad0wcat | but for cheating in a game? |
| 01:15.48 | shad0wcat | that's TROLLING |
| 01:16.06 | neoxan_ | i see nothing bad with that |
| 01:16.13 | neoxan_ | maybe in multiplayergames |
| 01:16.23 | shad0wcat | neoxan_: besides the cheating part? |
| 01:16.46 | neoxan_ | whats the problem? nobody will be hurt |
| 01:16.52 | bob2 | "DLL injection" = "LD_PRELOAD hack"? |
| 01:17.01 | sanxiyn | bob2: Eh, a bit different. |
| 01:17.02 | shad0wcat | you don't cheat period |
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| 01:17.11 | bob2 | oh, missed the above |
| 01:17.12 | antgel | neoxan_: please stop |
| 01:17.20 | shad0wcat | if you don't have the skill to figure something out |
| 01:17.22 | shad0wcat | then don't |
| 01:17.23 | sanxiyn | bob2: Yes, basically the same. There's dynamic injection and static injection. |
| 01:17.38 | shad0wcat | sanxiyn: either way he's wanting to do it for all the wrong reasons |
| 01:17.45 | litage | will ``mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1'' reformat a partition, erasing all existing data? |
| 01:17.51 | sanxiyn | bob2: You set the hook on the targe thread and do LoadLibrary/FreeLibrary in the adress space of target thread. |
| 01:17.54 | bob2 | neoxan_: anyway, yes, it's possible in a few ways, no I doubt anything like that is in Debian |
| 01:17.55 | shad0wcat | litage: uhum |
| 01:17.56 | Guerin | litage: yes. |
| 01:18.01 | bob2 | litage: yes |
| 01:18.26 | shad0wcat | karsten worships dpkg |
| 01:18.28 | Guerin | litage: if you actually want to obliterate the data beyond recovery, encrypt it, and then dd over it with random data |
| 01:18.29 | karsten | litage: yes and no. |
| 01:18.30 | bob2 | sanxiyn: and that overrides symbols? |
| 01:18.51 | sanxiyn | bob2: Simplifying things, yes. |
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| 01:18.54 | karsten | litage: ... it will reformat a partition. It will obscure some data but not securely delete it. What do you want to do? |
| 01:18.56 | shad0wcat | Guerin: to be safe do that 10 times |
| 01:19.07 | bob2 | neato |
| 01:19.14 | shad0wcat | or if you're really paranoid |
| 01:19.16 | shad0wcat | melt the hd |
| 01:19.18 | litage | hah |
| 01:19.25 | karsten | litage: Guerin: shad0wcat: 'shred' and 'wipe' are the recommended tools. |
| 01:19.26 | litage | i just want to erase the data and reinstall linux |
| 01:19.27 | Guerin | shad0wcat: to be safe, apply thermite to the drive until it's no longer extant |
| 01:19.32 | sanxiyn | bob2: Well, Windows people had to live with sourceless world. There's lots lots technic to do "pry opensource" stuffs. |
| 01:19.33 | Debian12 | somoen can tell me what wrong. i try to apt-get install and i got that msg: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 01:19.40 | karsten | litage: Reformatting will be sufficient. |
| 01:19.44 | litage | thanks |
| 01:19.44 | Guerin | litage: installer can do that |
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| 01:19.53 | antgel | litage: upload your pr0n somewhere before you delete it |
| 01:19.56 | shad0wcat | Debian12: you already got help |
| 01:19.59 | karsten | Debian12: You need to get the Debian package signing key. Ask bob2 |
| 01:20.02 | pureone | !keys |
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| 01:20.06 | bob2 | Debian12: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:20.07 | pureone | meh |
| 01:20.09 | karsten | Debian12: I've only done it. He knows how. |
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| 01:20.13 | Debian12 | thanks |
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| 01:20.16 | karsten | bob2: Thanks. |
| 01:20.17 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:20.18 | antgel | Debian12: you got topicsmitted. what more do you want? |
| 01:20.28 | shad0wcat | antgel: he wants a cookie |
| 01:20.33 | bob2 | karsten: np. how's napa? |
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| 01:20.40 | karsten | bob2: No idea. |
| 01:20.42 | antgel | fucked if i'm giving him one |
| 01:20.50 | karsten | bob2: I'm not there any more, I'm here. |
| 01:20.56 | grumbel | does somebody know a image-gallery generator, but one for postscript not for html? |
| 01:21.00 | litage | Guerin: i'm installing via debootstrap, so i have to do it manually |
| 01:21.06 | allow | crap |
| 01:21.08 | Supaplex | get your own cookie. doubleclick.net gives them away all day |
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| 01:21.19 | allow | there are so many dependencies it's impossible |
| 01:21.43 | sanxiyn | allow: -dev packages depend on other -dev packages. Nothing strange there. |
| 01:21.49 | antgel | allow: are you still talking about knoppix? |
| 01:21.49 | karsten | bob2: /msg ;-) |
| 01:21.57 | sanxiyn | antgel: Yes. |
| 01:22.02 | mattpj | anyone here ever use gentoo ??? i want to ask a compairson question |
| 01:22.13 | allow | yeah |
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| 01:22.18 | allow | it's not worth it |
| 01:22.22 | antgel | mattpj: that just breaks all the rules :) |
| 01:22.23 | mattpj | ok why does emerge take so much longer then lets say debian ? |
| 01:22.34 | Guerin | mattpj: ask gentoo |
| 01:22.35 | sanxiyn | mattpj: Indexing. |
| 01:22.37 | Ronin | cause gentoo bites compared to us :) |
| 01:22.38 | Guerin | mattpj: ask #gentoo |
| 01:22.44 | karsten | mattpj: ... because Debian is a binary install, emerge is a compile. Usually. |
| 01:22.47 | mattpj | emerge something like kde full takes like 3 days for me when i can install kde inm like 10 mins on debian |
| 01:22.49 | Guerin | antgel: ends in y. |
| 01:22.50 | fbi | because it compiles everything from source. debian packages are precompiled. |
| 01:22.55 | karsten | antgel: It's Wednesday. |
| 01:23.04 | mattpj | ok lets say i compile kde it still dont seem to take as long on debian |
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| 01:23.12 | sanxiyn | mattpj: Ah, that part. Sure, you are compiling stuffs. |
| 01:23.15 | Ronin | cool mattpj you got our snarky answers and real ones all at the same time :) |
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| 01:23.15 | blanky | is debian good with kde, better than ubuntu is with it? |
| 01:23.17 | karsten | mattpj: I suspect you need to go read a Gentoo FAQ page and not be a complete idiot. |
| 01:23.20 | mattpj | to be honest with u im more pleased with gentoo cuz things run faster |
| 01:23.21 | antgel | !permasunday |
| 01:23.22 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 01:23.30 | liable_ | oh here we go.. |
| 01:23.37 | antgel | mattpj: good one! |
| 01:23.46 | karsten | !u |
| 01:23.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:23.49 | mattpj | we are we being assholes |
| 01:23.59 | mattpj | jesus i asked a simple question i have both debian and gentoo |
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| 01:24.11 | sanxiyn | "pleased with gentoo cuz things run faster" <- somebody qotd it! |
| 01:24.16 | karsten | mattpj: It's Very Old News[tm], and the channel is Not Interested. Have a day. |
| 01:24.22 | antgel | mattpj: you can't say jesus here. big brother is watching |
| 01:24.29 | mattpj | jesus lol |
| 01:24.31 | karsten | antgel: I am not! |
| 01:24.39 | Ronin | mattpj: and you got snarky answers which was to be expected as well as real helpful ones |
| 01:24.46 | mattpj | karsten if u dont like it ignore me dont be a dick to me i didnt come in here talking smack or something |
| 01:24.46 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite antgel |
| 01:24.47 | dpkg | antgel: You're nothing but a b*lls p*ssing w*nker! |
| 01:24.53 | fbi | haha |
| 01:24.55 | fbi | i love that |
| 01:25.04 | karsten | mattpj: First sensible thing you've said. |
| 01:25.14 | Guerin | mattpj: it's not that. You're asking about gentoo in #debian. Ask in #gentoo. |
| 01:25.41 | sanxiyn | Eh, I thought he was talking about, say, dependency resolving speed of apt vs. emerge... |
| 01:25.43 | sanxiyn | Stupid me... |
| 01:25.48 | gothtec | Damn I'm good! I'm downloading a big file, encrypting it with a 256-bit key and piping it to /dev/null, automatically! :D |
| 01:25.51 | Supaplex | mattpj: what ever you said has scrolled off my screen now. so get over it, and restate your debian specific question. |
| 01:26.09 | sanxiyn | gothtec: Eh, why are you doing that? |
| 01:26.27 | antgel | gothtec: you could do that quicker with gentoo |
| 01:26.31 | liable_ | cause he's smart? |
| 01:26.46 | gothtec | sanxiyn: insomnia-indused boredom |
| 01:27.01 | sanxiyn | Oh I see. |
| 01:27.06 | karsten | gothtec: That's secure. |
| 01:27.19 | gothtec | That's the idea. |
| 01:27.20 | allow | announcing spaceman!! |
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| 01:27.51 | karsten | gothtec: I just mount /dev/null as my rootfs for improved system security. No malicious writes are ever commited to disk. |
| 01:28.39 | gothtec | karsten: boot that from the network, and you wont even need a disk. brilliant! |
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| 01:29.30 | karsten | gothtec: But I do! It's a PXE boot to lo. |
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| 01:29.58 | KingDavid | hi there |
| 01:29.59 | fbi | debian: don't irc as root |
| 01:30.06 | itp560 | hi guys |
| 01:30.20 | KingDavid | does debian comes with a util called prn2ps ? |
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| 01:30.41 | dondelelcaro | !+find prn2ps |
| 01:30.42 | fbi | KingDavid: packages.debian.org |
| 01:30.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:30.46 | fbi | or that |
| 01:30.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'prn2ps' (2): (/usr/bin/prn2ps) in text/sdf ;; (/usr/share/doc/sdf-doc/ref/{prn2ps.html|prn2ps.sdf}) in doc/sdf-doc. |
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| 01:31.26 | itp560 | i want to get my squid to authenticate I don't want to anything fancy . |
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| 01:32.06 | KingDavid | plz can someone send it to me ? |
| 01:32.14 | itp560 | just a user or two. |
| 01:32.25 | fbi | send what to you |
| 01:32.27 | sanxiyn | KingDavid: ... |
| 01:32.38 | gothtec | I second that. |
| 01:32.43 | fbi | you are connected to the internet obviously |
| 01:33.59 | KingDavid | fbi: ps2pdf bin |
| 01:34.02 | bob2 | KingDavid: packages.debian.org/sdf |
| 01:34.15 | sanxiyn | !+find ps2pdf |
| 01:34.17 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:34.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ps2pdf' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/rubber/rubber/rules/latex/ps2pdf.py) in tex/rubber ;; (/usr/share/inkscape/extensions/ps2pdf.sh) in graphics/inkscape ;; (/usr/bin/{ps2pdf|ps2pdf12|ps2pdf13|...}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/apps/kile/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/ps2pdf.png) in tex/kile ;; (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/eps2pdf.html) in doc/tetex-doc. |
| 01:34.46 | sanxiyn | text/gs-common. |
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| 01:34.54 | KingDavid | bob2: im not running debian here.. i cant install that package |
| 01:35.16 | sanxiyn | Aha. |
| 01:35.33 | fbi | !pal KingDavid |
| 01:36.03 | bob2 | KingDavid: er |
| 01:36.11 | bob2 | KingDavid: so download it and unpack it manually |
| 01:36.40 | KingDavid | bob2: thats what im trying to do |
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| 01:36.49 | KingDavid | bob2: ;) |
| 01:36.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you learn it yet? |
| 01:36.59 | bob2 | KingDavid: 12:34:01 bob2 | KingDavid: packages.debian.org/sdf |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | if he's not running debian .. why is he here ? |
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| 01:37.44 | KingDavid | abrotman: because ive found in google that debian is the only distro that includes this tool |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | why is tarzeau sleeping?! |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | well .. where does debian get it from ? |
| 01:38.16 | Guerin | KingDavid: build the source, luke |
| 01:38.17 | KingDavid | from a website there is no longer online |
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| 01:38.24 | abrotman | really ? |
| 01:38.29 | KingDavid | abrotman: yes |
| 01:38.29 | Guerin | KingDavid: bob already linked you to the right place |
| 01:38.40 | antgel | abrotman: he's here because he knows it's a GAS! |
| 01:38.55 | fbi | i think he heard that he'll get laid if he idles in here. |
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| 01:39.16 | abrotman | dunno .. packages.d.o says it's from gs-common |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | and well .. |
| 01:39.35 | StanTheMan | apt meximelt? |
| 01:39.52 | fbi | meximelt? wtf. that's dog food |
| 01:40.00 | StanTheMan | taco bell |
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| 01:40.05 | fbi | no shit. dog food. |
| 01:40.05 | asg | you quiero |
| 01:40.14 | antgel | what a day. if anyone wants to share my pain, see the broken box thread on microsoft.public.exchange2000.admin. grr. 'night all |
| 01:40.14 | fbi | everything they make tastes like boiled dog food |
| 01:40.17 | asg | s/ou/o/ |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | fbi: some of it's baked! :) |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | !blame fbi |
| 01:42.00 | Tortel | !omg! |
| 01:42.00 | Tortel | !omg |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | somebody said omg was what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 01:42.00 | asg | antgel: I've had enough run-ins with exchange for enough lifetimes |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | omg is probably what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
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| 01:42.21 | mrphreak | xD. |
| 01:42.21 | Tortel | !smite freenode |
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| 01:42.21 | AlienX | weee |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/GPL/ |
| 01:42.45 | ongeboren | bob2, thanks |
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| 01:43.26 | diana | How can I mount a usb thumb drive with fluxbox and usbmount? |
| 01:44.06 | saloxin | diana: it normally just works. plug it in, wait some seconds, and type mount |
| 01:44.07 | Supaplex | KerPlunk: with a terminal |
| 01:44.36 | KerPlunk | Supaplex: There is no "usbmount" command though |
| 01:45.02 | AlienX | KerPlunk, you root? |
| 01:45.04 | KerPlunk | yes |
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| 01:46.01 | Tortel | I am root, obey me! |
| 01:46.39 | mike__ | no |
| 01:46.44 | asg | Tortel: worthless in a RBAC environment anyway |
| 01:46.45 | Supaplex | permission denied. |
| 01:46.57 | mike__ | hehe |
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| 01:47.15 | Tortel | rbac? |
| 01:47.19 | StanTheMan | apt what is root? |
| 01:47.22 | apt | StanTheMan: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:47.30 | StanTheMan | apt root? |
| 01:47.31 | apt | hmm... root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 01:47.47 | asg | Tortel: Role Based Access Controls |
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| 01:48.24 | dli | which file system is recommended for a laptop? ext3, reiserfs, xfs? |
| 01:48.31 | Supaplex | yes |
| 01:48.31 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:48.31 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 01:48.35 | asg | dli: it depends on how much you value your data |
| 01:48.47 | magyar | how can i connect to a kdm login session through VNC with x11vnc? |
| 01:48.57 | dli | asg: :) |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | asg: he mentioned reiser .. apparently not that much |
| 01:49.13 | asg | apparently |
| 01:49.21 | Tortel | i love amor |
| 01:49.24 | Tortel | !info amor |
| 01:49.26 | dpkg | amor: (a KDE creature for your desktop), section games, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 323 kB, Installed size: 2072 kB |
| 01:49.32 | Tortel | :) |
| 01:49.44 | dli | abrotman, that page has no index.html :( |
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| 01:50.37 | abrotman | dli: so ? |
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| 01:50.42 | abrotman | dli: read them all? :) |
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| 01:50.59 | asg | !tell Tortel about xteddy |
| 01:51.22 | topquark | the fan on my server is starting to squeal. I've tried putting some oil on it and it won't fix it. Can I just take it out? |
| 01:51.23 | curt_ | ifup retains my previous ip address.., how do i get it to grab a new one each time, it is dynamic. |
| 01:51.37 | topquark | Its a 400MHz system thats a webserver... very low traffic |
| 01:51.38 | Supaplex | curt_: dynamic, as in dhcp? |
| 01:51.45 | curt_ | Supaplex, yes |
| 01:52.00 | Tortel | woo, another pet! |
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| 01:52.11 | Supaplex | is your interfaces config using dhcp? man interfaces |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | topquark: which fan ? |
| 01:52.25 | curt_ | Supaplex, yes |
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| 01:52.29 | zcram | gn |
| 01:52.40 | curt_ | Supaplex, or auto |
| 01:52.49 | Supaplex | curt_: auto != dhcp |
| 01:52.50 | topquark | abrotan: its on the cooling fins on the processor. |
| 01:52.59 | curt_ | Supaplex, let me look again |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | fbi: see! |
| 01:53.09 | topquark | I've always thought it was overkill to have it |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | topquark: what's the worst that happens .. it cooks and dies .. |
| 01:53.38 | topquark | abrotman: good point |
| 01:53.45 | Supaplex | topquark, and takes the mainboard with it :P |
| 01:53.56 | topquark | I get the point |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | or explodes and sends hot shrapnel all over! |
| 01:54.14 | Supaplex | lol |
| 01:54.17 | curt_ | Supaplex, the primary is setup like this :auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:54.55 | Supaplex | curt_: that appears correct. I must not understand what you're expecting to happen vs what happens. |
| 01:55.30 | topquark | The power lines go directly to the power supply. Looks I'll need to splice in a replacement |
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| 01:55.45 | KerPlunk | Is there anything like usbmount excecpt for cds and dvds? |
| 01:55.55 | asg | KerPlunk: umount |
| 01:56.03 | Supaplex | topquark: just get one that goes inline with the power cables to drives etc. |
| 01:56.08 | KerPlunk | asg: huh? |
| 01:56.14 | Supaplex | topquark: or a mainboard mount, if you have posts for it |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | there's probably a jack on the mobo |
| 01:56.18 | curt_ | Supaplex, well what I want to happen is to grab a new ip, instead when I ifup --force eth0 my ip stays the same |
| 01:56.24 | qodexk | I've installed uw-imapd, but when I try to login to IMAP with a user account on the system, it says 'login failed'. Is there some configuration I have missed? |
| 01:56.37 | asg | KerPlunk: mount / umount |
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| 01:56.44 | Supaplex | curt_: is this for one, or many locations? |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:56.59 | curt_ | Supaplex, one location ~ one interface |
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| 01:57.13 | Supaplex | and you want the ip to change everytime it comes up? |
| 01:57.13 | topquark | Supaplex: thanks |
| 01:57.18 | curt_ | Supaplex, it's a dynamic dsl conection |
| 01:57.44 | Supaplex | ahh, so it's not binding to the correct new ip anytime it comes up. |
| 01:57.53 | curt_ | Supaplex, yes, actually i want to physically reset (in a script) so it is different each time |
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| 01:58.06 | Supaplex | topquark: no sweat. :) I use to have a p133 for a www server. retired it last year. |
| 01:58.26 | dkg0 | KerPlunk: i think you might want pmount, which is more generic than usbmount and can handle other media. it works with hal. |
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| 01:59.03 | tummyacid | /exit |
| 01:59.03 | tummyacid | \ |
| 01:59.14 | topquark | Supaplex: yeah... this box is circa '98...its a lot of fun to make them last for as long as you can |
| 01:59.18 | Supaplex | curt_: do you know if this is provider specific? sounds sketchy |
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| 02:00.09 | curt_ | Supaplex, well at work I can just reset (powerdown) the modem and poof new ip just thought I could reset it faster with ifup or something |
| 02:00.11 | Supaplex | topquark: I'm compiling madwifi drivers for my p166 laptop right now. :) I'm going to fiddle with karma, see if I can't learn something new. |
| 02:00.21 | qodexk | Don't worry, I figured it out. I had to enable plaintext auth from /etc/c-client.cf. This leads me to my next question, is there non-plaintext way to auth via IMAP? |
| 02:00.47 | Supaplex | curt_: well, what about /etc/init.d/networking restart ? might be more invasive then you need *shrug* |
| 02:00.50 | topquark | Supaplex: that's awesome |
| 02:00.54 | curt_ | Supaplex, really i just want to release it and get a new one |
| 02:00.57 | KerPlunk | dkg0: I just want my movies to automount like my usbthumb drive does(because of usbmount) |
| 02:01.03 | litage | how long does a dd of an entire drive usually take? (eg: 120gb drive) |
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| 02:01.10 | KerPlunk | dkg0: I'm not using gnome or kde where it automounts discs |
| 02:01.34 | curt_ | Supaplex, that's what I did and it restarted but with the same ip renewing in 300 seconds it alwasy says |
| 02:01.37 | Supaplex | litage: a little longer then rsync. :) |
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| 02:01.53 | theine | Does anybody know what's the difference between "mount -t proc proc /var/chroot/proc" and "mount -t proc proc-chroot /var/chroot/proc"? |
| 02:02.01 | litage | wow! |
| 02:02.05 | Supaplex | curt_: humm.. odd. |
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| 02:02.15 | curt_ | Supaplex, let me try it again |
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| 02:02.48 | pedro | hi everyone |
| 02:03.20 | pedro | I have installed nvidia driver but I cannot find section "modules" in XF86config to quit "Load glx" |
| 02:03.39 | curt_ | Supaplex, I get DHCPACK from 192.168.0.1 bound to 70.228.xx.xx -- renewal in 300 seconds |
| 02:03.49 | curt_ | Supaplex, it's the same ip each time |
| 02:04.05 | Supaplex | and you're sure it's suppose to be different? |
| 02:04.06 | KerPlunk | pedro: cat XF86Config|grep -i "Load glx" |
| 02:04.08 | asg | pedro: grep -i glx /etc/X11/XF* |
| 02:04.21 | asg | !uuoc |
| 02:04.21 | dpkg | methinks uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 02:04.36 | curt_ | Supaplex, well i guess not. I suppose if I power off the modem I could see if it changes then |
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| 02:04.58 | nm | re * |
| 02:05.30 | nm | i'm newbie w/ debian, which version i must used :-/ SARGE 3.1r0a or stable or testing :-/ |
| 02:05.30 | dkg0 | KerPlunk: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
| 02:05.33 | nm | pls help me |
| 02:05.38 | pedro | pedro@box:/etc/X11$ grep -i glx /etc/X11/XF* |
| 02:05.38 | pedro | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Load "glx" |
| 02:05.38 | pedro | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak: Load "glx" |
| 02:05.38 | pedro | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.in: Load "glx" |
| 02:05.38 | pedro | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-m: Load "glx" |
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| 02:05.38 | asg | nm: sarge |
| 02:05.40 | Supaplex | curt_: my guess, is that the dhcpd (server side) will allow you to reuse the same ip w/in a short period of time. maybe that trick you're using forces it to be released so the dhcpd expires caching it. |
| 02:05.51 | dkg0 | KerPlunk: and http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html |
| 02:06.02 | asg | dondelelcaro: less is fly though |
| 02:06.10 | nm | asg: i see on distrowatch, some app,lib is t00 old ? |
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| 02:07.10 | nm | should i install sarge and update or try testing (or unstable) version :-/ |
| 02:07.15 | asg | nm: sarge is stable (a.k.a 3.1) If that is too old, then use backports. |
| 02:07.30 | KerPlunk | nm: Go with unstable. |
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| 02:07.40 | blaze_ | Hey all |
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| 02:07.56 | KerPlunk | nm: I've been using unstable for years...never had any problems with it...runs flawlessly for me. |
| 02:08.00 | asg | KerPlunk: rule number #1 of Debian club, never mention unstable |
| 02:08.12 | Supaplex | nm: also, it's nearly impossible to downgrade. use testing/unstable if you're comfy fixing gotchas and getting your hands messy. |
| 02:08.19 | sparr | can packages be removed from unstable due to obsolescence before being added to stable? |
| 02:08.22 | Supaplex | otherwise, avoid it, like asg suggests :) |
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| 02:08.43 | asg | nm: /msg dpkg sid faq. Pay particular attention to the horrible bugs section. |
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| 02:08.56 | blaze_ | Hey, I just switched to debian, and I am wondering if anyone knows of any good system administrators guides for debian out there? |
| 02:08.58 | asg | dondelelcaro: they never update it |
| 02:09.07 | Supaplex | haha no doubt. :P |
| 02:09.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i've never had any problems with it .. but i don't run it :) |
| 02:09.09 | KerPlunk | i update it everyday |
| 02:09.15 | Supaplex | they just reinstall ;) |
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| 02:09.29 | asg | blaze_: the debian reference, the hardening debian docs, /usr/share/doc/*, Essential System Administration (O'Reilly) |
| 02:09.33 | KerPlunk | I don't use gnome or kde...I've read problems on gnome and kde breaking. |
| 02:09.44 | dondelelcaro | blaze_: there are three; start with the Debian reference (/msg dpkg reference), The Debian System, and the debian bible. |
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| 02:09.52 | nm | okie thx any body , i will try stable 3.1 |
| 02:09.54 | asg | blaze_: also, Martin Krafft's Debian System is very good for deep internals |
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| 02:10.21 | blaze_ | what all can dpkg do? |
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| 02:10.32 | [bono] | Question: whats the advantage of gizmo or skyp over msn voice chats? |
| 02:10.37 | AlienX | blaze_, it can make toast |
| 02:10.48 | asg | KerPlunk: /msg dpkg sid faq (read the horrible bugs bit.) Who would have thought that removing the linux gazette package would erase your entire root filesystem. |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | [bono]: gizmo and skype aren't really the same |
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| 02:11.33 | jcurry | i plugged in my usb printer, but lsusb doesn't show it...what is wrong? I'm using 2.6.14 |
| 02:11.34 | nm | how many cd do i must dowload 2 cd :-/ |
| 02:11.35 | [bono] | abrotman: asaik, skype uses a proprietary protocol... but thats the onoly diff im aware of... |
| 02:11.46 | asg | nm: just the first |
| 02:11.56 | nm | asg: okie thx sir |
| 02:12.00 | asg | nm: or a few floppies if your networking hardware is supported |
| 02:12.01 | [bono] | abrotman: can you elaborate? |
| 02:12.08 | Supaplex | wth, libxpm4 is used by cardinfo? why? |
| 02:12.19 | qodexk | exim4 isn't listening on all interfaces, even though it's configured to. How do I fix this? |
| 02:12.26 | KerPlunk | What is the program on the netinstall that runs and you can select "Desktop Enviroment" and other stuff...and it will just download and install what you check off. |
| 02:12.53 | asg | qodexk: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | [bono]: i'd say that's important |
| 02:13.06 | Supaplex | KerPlunk: that's something you pass off before using unstable. :) |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | err that's an important difference |
| 02:13.14 | qodexk | asg, And I should choose 'internet site', correct? |
| 02:13.27 | Supaplex | ~tasksel |
| 02:13.28 | apt | [tasksel] the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run ... |
| 02:13.28 | asg | qodexk: when it asks you which interfaces to listen on, leave it blank or enumerate the ips of all your interfaces |
| 02:13.44 | qodexk | asg, OK. |
| 02:13.46 | abrotman | [bono]: and isn't msn chat tied to msn messenger ? |
| 02:13.55 | asg | qodexk: that depends on your routing needs. |
| 02:13.57 | [bono] | abrotman: i agree. but i dont understand the hype of all the new voice-chat applications... msn has been offering it for several years... what have i not understood? |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | [bono]: and isn't msn chat tied to msn messenger ? |
| 02:14.28 | asg | [bono]: the hype is you can call regular PSTN phones, not just other internet chat apps |
| 02:14.33 | qodexk | asg, Thanks a lot, that fixed my problem. :) |
| 02:14.39 | asg | qodexk: you're welcome |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | [bono]: with VoIP .. you can call any phone .. not just someone on your buddy list |
| 02:15.26 | qodexk | asg, Just another quick question, in which configuration file do I configure exim4 to allow relay from a specific IP address? |
| 02:15.55 | asg | qodexk: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config will also prompt you for which domains / ip blocks you will relay for |
| 02:15.55 | [bono] | abrotman|asg: okay, but your voip service provider doesnt support gizmo's protocol... therefore you cannot receive calls... right? |
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| 02:16.08 | qodexk | asg, Oh darn, I must've missed that. |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | [bono]: my who ? |
| 02:16.33 | asg | qodexk: no worries, just reconfigure again. |
| 02:16.37 | dkg0 | qodexk: you might need to set the debconf priority to low to see all the questions: dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | [bono]: afaik .. you can get Gizmo tied to a real phone number |
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| 02:17.30 | [bono] | abrotman: how do you do that? what voip provider supports gizmos protocol? |
| 02:17.51 | qodexk | asg, Ah, another problem. The mail appears to come from: 550 <qodexk@localhost.localdomain>: No thank you rejected: |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | [bono]: http://gizmoproject.com/learn-more.html |
| 02:18.12 | asg | qodexk: mail on your system or mail on other systems you are trying to send to? |
| 02:18.22 | [bono] | abrotman: i was actually reading that. thanks :-) |
| 02:18.29 | qodexk | asg, That message was one I received upon trying to send mail. |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 02:18.51 | asg | qodexk: /msg dpkg hostname ; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (make sure the hostnames match there too) |
| 02:19.05 | asg | abrotman: more beers! |
| 02:19.10 | qodexk | asg, Yeah, I did set those hostnames |
| 02:19.15 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:19.31 | asg | abrotman: too hoppy for me but thanks for the sentiment |
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| 02:19.46 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 02:21.46 | jbmigel | can someone please help me setup samba? I can see my debian box from my windows box but i cannot seem to login! |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | jbmigel: you tried #samba and samba.org ? |
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| 02:22.19 | kronicdreamer | hey i got a question |
| 02:22.26 | kronicdreamer | i downloaded debian |
| 02:22.33 | kronicdreamer | why wont it boot on load? |
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| 02:22.40 | kronicdreamer | on start* |
| 02:22.41 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; do you durn it? |
| 02:22.47 | Zerial | as image? |
| 02:22.48 | kronicdreamer | yea |
| 02:22.53 | jbmigel | abrotman, no I figured someone here might know the trick to setting it up on debian since it autoconfiged itself |
| 02:23.00 | kronicdreamer | do i need to delete windows first? |
| 02:23.10 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; xD |
| 02:23.14 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; if you want.. |
| 02:23.14 | pureone | no |
| 02:23.20 | toresbe | kronicdreamer: heh, no, that's not a good idea :) |
| 02:23.27 | kronicdreamer | i dont want windows |
| 02:23.29 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; config your BIOS to boot from CD |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | jbmigel: not me personally .. last time i did samba .. i tied it to an nt4 pdc |
| 02:23.34 | kronicdreamer | i just havent got around to it yet |
| 02:23.36 | toresbe | kronicdreamer: You need to tell the BIOS to boot from CD |
| 02:23.40 | qodexk | asg, I can't receive mail, it seems |
| 02:23.41 | pureone | then delete it :D |
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| 02:24.20 | liable | kronicdreamer: the installer will delete windows when you get to the partitioning bit. |
| 02:24.25 | kronicdreamer | i have 5 comps and puttin a different os on each |
| 02:24.30 | asg | qodexk: what does 'netstat -ntl | grep 25' say? |
| 02:24.48 | qodexk | asg, tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 02:25.37 | asg | qodexk: then it's listening. Try telnetting to localhost 25 and speaking SMTP at it (/msg dpkg mail tutorial for the standard SMTP conversation you can use) |
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| 02:26.19 | qodexk | asg: Thanks |
| 02:26.23 | kronicdreamer | my windows is corrupted and wont get passed the user screen |
| 02:26.30 | kronicdreamer | how i do the BIOS manually |
| 02:27.13 | Zerial | m? |
| 02:27.30 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; turn on your PC .. and press DEL |
| 02:27.43 | asg | or F2, F11, or F12 |
| 02:27.48 | Zerial | yea |
| 02:27.56 | Zerial | generally DEL |
| 02:28.08 | asg | Zerial: F2 on Latitude D600s |
| 02:28.21 | kronicdreamer | right at startup? |
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| 02:29.08 | qodexk | asg: Getting closer to the problem here |
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| 02:29.17 | qodexk | asg: <qodexk@phz.ath.cx>: host phz.ath.cx[210.84.34.20] said: 550 relay not |
| 02:29.18 | qodexk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:29.34 | kronicdreamer | ok ignore that, how i open dos on my user menu, so i can fdisk? |
| 02:29.39 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; in screen that show all ide devices (master1, slave1, master2, slave2) and memory and procesador, in this screen |
| 02:29.40 | qodexk | asg: I need to set exim4 to accept relay on behalf of phz.ath.cx, true? |
| 02:30.13 | asg | qodexk: or indicate that phz.ath.cx is local and therefore controlled by exim4, which should deliver locally to viable users. |
| 02:30.24 | qodexk | asg: Yes, my bad, I think I can fix that |
| 02:31.17 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; must say: PRESS DEL TO SETUP ... PRESS Fx TO ENTER SETUP .. |
| 02:31.43 | asg | qodexk: basically, you need to define 2 things. Which domains you receive mail for and which IPs or IP blocks can use you as a mail relay. The first should be your domain, the second your internal network (who will use you as a smarthost) |
| 02:31.55 | Zerial | you choose BOOT option, set First Boot as CDROM or DVD and boot it |
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| 02:32.21 | kronicdreamer | ok |
| 02:32.28 | qodexk | asg: I don't understand what a smarthost is |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 02:32.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 02:32.51 | asg | qodexk: a smarthost is simply an MTA that relays mail for clients |
| 02:32.59 | qodexk | asg: Ah, got it |
| 02:33.01 | Zerial | kronicdreamer; if you don't understand. read motherboard's manual |
| 02:33.03 | asg | qodexk: also known as a mail gateway |
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| 02:33.22 | qodexk | asg: Oh great, my mail arrived. |
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| 02:33.37 | qodexk | asg: I'm still not sure if it can send, so I'll try that again. |
| 02:33.47 | kronicdreamer | i know how to set the BIOS |
| 02:33.54 | Zerial | ok |
| 02:33.55 | kronicdreamer | i just didnt know how to get there manually |
| 02:34.08 | kronicdreamer | i set them when i first got the HDDs |
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| 02:34.15 | asg | qodexk: cool. One of the nice things with exim is that testing is as simple as 'exim -bt <address>'. It will show you how it will attempt to route mail to <address> |
| 02:34.29 | qodexk | asg: Oh great, I'll try that |
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| 02:35.02 | asg | qodexk: for really verbose output, /usr/sbin/exim4 -d -bt <address> will show you everything it considers in deciding that. |
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| 02:35.53 | qodexk | asg: 554 EMail from mailserver at 210.84.34.20 is refused. See |
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| 02:36.06 | asg | qodexk: that's an upstream mail server? |
| 02:36.10 | qodexk | asg: Does that mean it works, but the remote mailserver hates me? |
| 02:36.19 | qodexk | asg: Yeah, the remote one; the one I was sending to. |
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| 02:36.54 | asg | qodexk: check /var/log/exim/mainlog to see if anything else is indicated. a 500 error indicates that you did something that it didn't like (wrong recipient, you're on a blocklist, etc.) |
| 02:36.56 | slowhand | hello folks |
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| 02:37.48 | qodexk | asg: The remote server had me on a blocklist. Sending a mail to the Gmail server confirmed that I can send. |
| 02:38.15 | qodexk | asg: Thanks a lot for all your help. :) You too, dkg0. |
| 02:38.22 | asg | qodexk: you're welcome |
| 02:38.29 | qodexk | Bye. |
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| 02:39.54 | abrotman | asg: you're such an asskisser :) |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:40.28 | thedingus | I need tips on editing my xorg.conf to change my rez to 1280*800 |
| 02:40.30 | asg | abrotman: I don't mind helping people who can follow directions, provide feedback, etc. |
| 02:40.51 | EdLin | !drxx thedingus |
| 02:40.52 | dpkg | thedingus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 02:41.05 | abrotman | asg: i was joking |
| 02:41.09 | asg | abrotman: I know :) |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | EdLin: i'm not sure that will work |
| 02:41.27 | asg | abrotman: there is actually a Spaten Optimator? |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | asg: yes |
| 02:41.49 | seven_six_two | for some reason I can't get etch installed from the business card iso with a galileo gigabit onboard nic. dhcp fails, as does static confic. the lights aren't even on on my nic or router. |
| 02:41.52 | EdLin | abrotman: it's worth a try |
| 02:42.01 | dob1 | debian amd64 is not official debian right? |
| 02:42.01 | asg | abrotman: haha. Do they mix regular Spaten with Red Bull or somesuch? |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | seven_six_two: which chipset does it use ? |
| 02:42.13 | asg | dob1: at this time, no. |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | asg: no .. it's a .. belgian brew ? |
| 02:42.21 | asg | dob1: it's pretty close though. |
| 02:42.35 | dob1 | asg, it's a sid or etch ? |
| 02:42.44 | asg | abrotman: I've had Spaten, the 'Optimator' bit sounds a little heavy handed even for marketers |
| 02:42.45 | seven_six_two | 88e8001 |
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| 02:43.06 | abrotman | asg: http://www.spatenusa.com/3_products/3_1_prod_spectrum/3_1_1_produkt/optimator/index.htm |
| 02:43.10 | asg | dob1: sarge, etc, and sid exist for it iirc, it just isn't currently considered an official port |
| 02:43.32 | dob1 | asg, ok thanks |
| 02:43.49 | asg | abrotman: that has to be the worst site I've seen this month. |
| 02:44.02 | ersdfeef | hi everbody hi everybody is there a graphical HTML/PHP editor with syntax highlighting that lets me edit directly on my ftp server? |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | asg: it was a pop up .. i just snagged the url |
| 02:44.04 | seven_six_two | will i have to install from the full iso's? |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | asg: http://www.spatenusa.com/3_products/3_1_prod_spectrum/index.htm .. is where it came from |
| 02:44.29 | asg | abrotman: ah, okay. |
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| 02:45.04 | thedingus | EdLin, thnx im trying it |
| 02:46.03 | asg | ersdfeef: Zend sells one |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | with webdav i think you can use bluefish |
| 02:47.39 | asg | abrotman: or xterm + vim + ftpfs |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:47.47 | raiinstorm | Ok this is an incredibly vague question but how can I find out enough about my monitor/video card to install debian? |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | shfs! |
| 02:47.55 | asg | abrotman: he said ftp |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | who the hell uses ftp ? |
| 02:48.31 | raiinstorm | Ive got GeForceMX440 with a Nokia 445Xi monitor, which works fine with every other distro. |
| 02:48.58 | asg | abrotman: our S/390 doesn't speak ssh so we have some ftp internally :p |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:49.01 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | asg: tell ibm you're gonna stop using it :) |
| 02:49.37 | asg | abrotman: we were supposed to have stopped using it 4 years ago but the new ERP system is late, buggy, and worthless. |
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| 02:50.03 | abrotman | asg: apparently you're not beating off your developers enough |
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| 02:50.18 | asg | abrotman: these are state contractors, not my developers |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | asg: you work for the state ... |
| 02:51.00 | ersdfeef | asg, I see. Is there not a free one? |
| 02:51.03 | asg | abrotman: financials, hr, records. We push 70k+ students per year |
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| 02:51.23 | abrotman | asg: i vote for a spreadsheet |
| 02:51.27 | asg | ersdfeef: xterm + vim + ftpfs. Bluefish over ftpfs might also fit your needs or the kde one that slips my mind right now. |
| 02:51.42 | asg | abrotman: CSV has been very good to use over the years |
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| 02:51.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:52.03 | slowhand | has anyone ever installed wine here? |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | noone |
| 02:52.17 | asg | if uncorked == installed, yes |
| 02:52.32 | ersdfeef | asg: Yes Quanta Plus does it I remember now, but it leaves nasty project files and residue on the server. |
| 02:52.33 | slowhand | did it taste good? |
| 02:52.35 | Zerial | slowhand; i |
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| 02:52.42 | foo | top - 18:52:41 up 9:52, 8 users, load average: 1.91, 1.40, 1.13 |
| 02:52.45 | foo | Kind of high. Any ideas? |
| 02:52.52 | asg | slowhand: rather disapointing |
| 02:52.54 | asg | foo: top, vmstat |
| 02:53.04 | slowhand | is cedega a better way to go? |
| 02:53.16 | Zerial | slowhand; cedega non free |
| 02:53.25 | cheal | raiinstorm: I never heard of a monitor being an issue for installing debian. the monitor just displays what it gets |
| 02:53.25 | Kluster_v2 | slackd00d, worked good until I upgraded to etch, now it don't work anymore.. on a fresh sarge install, doesn't work |
| 02:53.29 | Zerial | slowhand; cedega or wineX |
| 02:53.35 | slowhand | yeah i figured that's why i couldn't find it ;] thought CVS was fre tho |
| 02:53.39 | Kluster_v2 | ops.. not slackd00d, I meant slowhand :) |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | slowhand: for WHAT? |
| 02:54.23 | ersdfeef | bluefish says a lot of stuff about gnome-vfs, I've installed that but it has done nothing. If I install package lufs-utils, do you think that it will work? |
| 02:54.30 | slowhand | well i'm pretty new to linux and i'd like to oust windows permanently from my life |
| 02:54.44 | abrotman | but you want to play games ? |
| 02:54.46 | asg | slowhand: are you looking to play games? |
| 02:55.15 | slowhand | but i am addicted to video games and have to use a few other production softwares until i can master available linux ones (like avid or photoshop etc) |
| 02:55.19 | asg | slowhand: if not, use vmware's free player; build your vmdk with qemu-img. install your licensed windows on that. |
| 02:55.31 | Kluster_v2 | some apps just won't work under wine.. like 3dsmax |
| 02:55.44 | slowhand | awe shiiiit, max doens't werk eh? |
| 02:55.56 | raiinstorm | cheal: right i never had a problem either, other than gettin the xconfig file to work properly, but within the install it asks you about your dpi and resolution and such |
| 02:55.58 | slowhand | i'll bet maya does tho |
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| 02:56.09 | Kluster_v2 | nope.. only reason why I keep a doze partition.. then again you can get maya for linux |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | slowhand: ask #winehq what works and what doesn't .. or #cedega |
| 02:56.11 | raiinstorm | and I guessed and it didn't work and I'm not gonna try and guess again. |
| 02:56.15 | ersdfeef | slowhand, have you ever tried Blender? |
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| 02:56.49 | slowhand | actually yeah i was introduced to blender about 6 months ago and was quite impressed... totally free to yah? |
| 02:56.59 | Kluster_v2 | don'T know for #cedega, but there are a lot of good helpers in #winehq . Ask vitamin, he knows everything |
| 02:57.04 | raiinstorm | yeah i have doze for 3DSM and photoshop. blender and gimp just can't compare honestly. and im a linux supporter at heart. |
| 02:57.35 | slowhand | kool i'll try those channels... anyone have good experiences with any other 'emulators'? |
| 02:57.40 | asg | raiinstorm: run em on OS/X then |
| 02:57.43 | Zerial | i replaced photoshop with Gimp |
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| 02:58.15 | raiinstorm | asg: wanna buy me one? |
| 02:58.16 | slowhand | raiin you have wut now? i've heard good things about blender and gimp though... quite comparable |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | someone package synfig damn it! |
| 02:58.24 | raiinstorm | can't afford one of those lovely OS/X's |
| 02:58.26 | ersdfeef | I did too, GIMP is sufficient for me. I like Blender too ^_^ |
| 02:58.29 | cheal | raiinstorm: is there a problem with the defaults? |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | slowhand: for most stuff .. gimp will be fine |
| 02:58.46 | asg | raiinstorm: same basic price point as windows ;) |
| 02:58.47 | Kluster_v2 | gimp is good.. even great ! but sometimes you need the new functions of photoshop |
| 02:59.13 | Zerial | Kluster_v2; yes .. |
| 02:59.13 | raiinstorm | slowhand: 3DSM and Photoshop on my windoze partition. I have gimp and have tried blender too but wasn't very pleased with blender at least. |
| 02:59.21 | cheal | raiinstorm: what do you mean by "didn't work"? |
| 02:59.24 | raiinstorm | cheal, yeah that's what I'm guessing, just not sure how to tackle it yet. |
| 02:59.24 | slowhand | ahh i see... is it easier to run mac software in linux? |
| 02:59.44 | raiinstorm | asg: really? A good Mac costs over $1,000, I built my PC for $500 |
| 02:59.50 | Kluster_v2 | slowhand, If you can get someting to work in wine, it's sweet.. VMWare is just too heavy and slow for me |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | raiinstorm: blender has a steep learning curve ... |
| 03:00.05 | raiinstorm | abrotman: true, but do you think steeper than 3DSM? |
| 03:00.06 | asg | raiinstorm: I was talking about the cost of the OS |
| 03:00.07 | slowhand | yeah i dun think i would even bother with VMware |
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| 03:00.12 | abrotman | raiinstorm: dunno .. buy the book :) |
| 03:00.12 | ersdfeef | If you have Linux running on a PPC processor you can run something like WINE for Mac OS applications, I think it's called Mac on Linux |
| 03:00.20 | asg | raiinstorm: granted, Apple HW is more expensive. |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | raiinstorm: i've made movies in blender .. |
| 03:00.29 | raiinstorm | asg: ah yeah, I'm talkin about the HW. |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | raiinstorm: and i'm certainly not a graphics person |
| 03:00.47 | slowhand | hey any of you guys ever used Sony Vegas? |
| 03:00.48 | raiinstorm | abrotman: teach me? ;) I am still doing only abstracts in 3DSM. |
| 03:00.54 | asg | abrotman: snuff flicks do not count as movies |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | !punish asg |
| 03:01.11 | asg | better than truffles |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | raiinstorm: it's not hard .. you learn how to do the basic shapes etc .. and then progressing to movies isn't hard |
| 03:01.26 | raiinstorm | cheal: xconfig error, every time I reboot, it does a recovery of the partitions, and I know my proper xconfig settings by heart, but still have a problem with it. |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | raiinstorm: iirc .. the blender.org site has a tutorial .. and there is a book |
| 03:02.30 | raiinstorm | abrotman: im definitely not a graphics person, I can finally just say I have photoshop down quite well, now im onto 3DSM. |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | raiinstorm: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593270410/104-1463612-4511169?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance ... etc |
| 03:02.58 | raiinstorm | Ive heard about the book, I should look at Blender again. this is the first time I've been on linux since June. |
| 03:02.58 | slowhand | i don't like that CEO guy from cedega... it sounds to me like he took the head developer guy from wineX and turned him into his corporate whore |
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| 03:03.26 | abrotman | raiinstorm: and most people i talk to .. once they get into gimp .. they find it to be just as good as the basic photoshop |
| 03:03.42 | raiinstorm | abrotman: ty for the link *saves* |
| 03:03.45 | abrotman | photoshop extensions are another story .. i suppose |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | raiinstorm: there are many more than just that one |
| 03:03.51 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here has experiences with apache's mod_proxy? |
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| 03:04.05 | raiinstorm | abrotman: I do agree, minus the lack of brushes and yes, extensions, but people are startin to make brushes for gimp more and more now. |
| 03:04.18 | cheal | raiinstorm: which xconfig error? |
| 03:04.21 | Brian_L | slowhand: It seems that sort of thing is happening alot these days |
| 03:04.27 | raiinstorm | cheal: no screens found |
| 03:04.33 | abrotman | raiinstorm: the gimp site has a bunch of plugins |
| 03:04.38 | raiinstorm | the common pain in the ass one. lol |
| 03:04.40 | cheal | !tell raiinstorm about no screens found |
| 03:04.48 | slowhand | that's because business men are starting to see the market for linux... |
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| 03:05.34 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; some developers want to be made thrall; nothing too terribly exciting about it. |
| 03:05.35 | slowhand | which sort of defeats the point... hackers paradise |
| 03:05.41 | raiinstorm | lol cheal I know it isn't helpful. I can't tell you the log file, I wiped out debian last night to try again. Just figured i'd see if anyone had any tips on the graphic card problem before I tried again. |
| 03:05.43 | cantona | hi, anyone how to dd and scp to backup hdd at same time? |
| 03:05.59 | raiinstorm | abrotman: seems like they've gotten better even in the past year with their extras and capabilities |
| 03:06.10 | abrotman | raiinstorm: maybe time fro another try :) |
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| 03:06.32 | Brian_L | slowhand: There will always be hackers as long as there is the source |
| 03:06.37 | raiinstorm | abrotman: yep. Try again, try again. |
| 03:06.48 | slowhand | well shit, methinks i'm going to give wine a lil more time to see if i can get some stuff to work... anyone know where i can find a good howto on reinstallations or what not? |
| 03:06.59 | dondelelcaro | slowhand: reinstallations? |
| 03:07.08 | raiinstorm | took me ages to get gentoo workin the first time, debians just gonna be another gentoo to install I guess, nothin wrong with that. |
| 03:07.09 | slowhand | brian that's good to hear... |
| 03:07.24 | cheal | raiinstorm: well, you're more likely to get tips if you show us a meaningful error. I don't see why you can't "tell" me the log file |
| 03:07.50 | slowhand | dondelecarlo: i'm just wondering why i can't get some packages to work after doing an apt |
| 03:07.53 | raiinstorm | cheal: once I reinstall, I'll irssi up and share the log file. |
| 03:08.23 | cheal | raiinstorm: ok |
| 03:08.29 | slowhand | also... i tried to add a .ttf to my Xtfs and accidentally deleted my entire directory of fonts because i wasn't being careful |
| 03:08.42 | raiinstorm | cya in a bit. here i go again. |
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| 03:09.59 | slowhand | so i want to reinstall without losing my configs |
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| 03:11.54 | blaze_ | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 03:13.03 | blaze_ | lol my bad |
| 03:13.12 | slowhand | hahaha |
| 03:13.12 | Brian_L | :) |
| 03:13.18 | blaze_ | any one here use fluxbox with debian anyways? |
| 03:13.20 | dondelelcaro | slowhand: which packages? |
| 03:13.25 | servus | apt-get remove libc |
| 03:13.26 | dondelelcaro | blaze_: try using openbox instead |
| 03:13.42 | slowhand | msttfcorefonts and wine |
| 03:13.45 | blaze_ | hrmm, ive never herd of it. |
| 03:13.47 | asg | dondelelcaro: flux is still viable |
| 03:13.48 | Brian_L | i love them all, blackbox fluxbox openbox. |
| 03:13.58 | slowhand | particularily... i'm sure there will be others. |
| 03:14.06 | dondelelcaro | asg: or maybe it's recently become viable again |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | blackbox! |
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| 03:14.24 | slowhand | i'm tempted to just purge then try again but i'd rather not if there's a better way |
| 03:14.30 | asg | dondelelcaro: actually, the recent sid update broke artwiz fonts so it isn't, unless you put it on hold ;) |
| 03:14.38 | blaze_ | debian is confusing me! I just mitigated today from gentoo. |
| 03:14.49 | slowhand | who doesn't love a nice box anyhoo |
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| 03:15.16 | blaze_ | How can I get to a tty console |
| 03:15.22 | Brian_L | blaze_: It takes a while to get used to, Im 3 days into debain |
| 03:15.29 | dondelelcaro | slowhand: what about them is broken? |
| 03:15.34 | blaze_ | ? |
| 03:15.35 | asg | blaze_: from X? ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 03:15.38 | amphi | blaze_: alt-ctrl-F1 ? |
| 03:15.41 | blaze_ | Thank you. |
| 03:15.42 | Brian_L | blaze_: youll find it has more logic to it |
| 03:16.00 | blaze_ | see where would I even find out where to find that key stroke |
| 03:16.22 | asphyx | Help, help! Anyone had any luck installing Debian on an SATAII drive? |
| 03:16.53 | Brian_L | asphyx: whats your motherboard? |
| 03:17.00 | asphyx | ASUS P5WD2. |
| 03:17.03 | asphyx | 955 chipset. |
| 03:17.04 | asg | asphyx: try linux26 at the boot: prompt of the installer. If that doesn't work /msg dpkg sata |
| 03:17.19 | asphyx | I tried linux26, and I get the no partitionable media were found error. |
| 03:17.21 | asphyx | OK, thanks asg. |
| 03:17.41 | Brian_L | asphyx: i just built a A8N-E system using ide. im about to try SATA |
| 03:17.47 | slowhand | well dondele: msttfcorefonts is missing all the .ttf files from it's directory (which i'm just going to patch over from my winblowz partition) |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | !tell DreamEater[A] about away |
| 03:17.51 | asphyx | Good luck. |
| 03:17.55 | asg | DreamEater[A]: please turn that off |
| 03:17.56 | amphi | blaze_: that's the same on every linux AFAIK - your fault for having GUI login ;) |
| 03:18.00 | DreamEater[A] | lol ok |
| 03:18.08 | asphyx | I think SATA works fine, it's SATAII which is flaky. |
| 03:18.11 | Dave | oops |
| 03:18.13 | blaze_ | lol |
| 03:18.22 | blaze_ | How can I change that actually? |
| 03:18.30 | blaze_ | now that you mention it... |
| 03:18.34 | asg | blaze_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 03:18.36 | slowhand | dondele: wine doesn't seem to have been installed in my root/. directory (where it should be ) |
| 03:18.40 | blaze_ | ty |
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| 03:18.44 | dondelelcaro | slowhand: dpkg -L wine-ui |
| 03:18.58 | dondelelcaro | s/-ui// |
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| 03:19.16 | slowhand | and the only way i can find to run it is through my KDE menu and then i get errors (because i have no modifiers) but then i get an error trying to config from that menu as well |
| 03:19.57 | slowhand | sorry wuts the second part for? and the -L modifier is? |
| 03:20.01 | asphyx | Hrm, it appears the SATA information from /msg dpkg sata is for SATA and not SATAII. |
| 03:20.39 | asg | slowhand: man dpkg |
| 03:21.00 | kenboo | -L lists up all the files in the package |
| 03:21.32 | slowhand | asg: thanks for the polite version |
| 03:21.36 | slowhand | ;] |
| 03:22.07 | asg | slowhand: it is the definitive reference |
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| 03:23.46 | maq0r | Hello |
| 03:23.54 | maq0r | Quick question, how do I find out my current init level? |
| 03:24.09 | asg | maq0r: runlevel |
| 03:24.22 | maq0r | asg Thank you |
| 03:24.34 | fbi | asg: when you see "init" does it remind you of chavs |
| 03:24.47 | asg | fbi: hah |
| 03:24.49 | fbi | cause it sure reminds me. |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | fbi: i thought you passed out |
| 03:24.52 | maq0r | oh oh, I have a box that is currently only accepting one ssh connection or tty at a time |
| 03:25.00 | fbi | nah man i haven't even cracked a beer yet |
| 03:25.08 | maq0r | if I get init 1, I just have to type init 3 to switch to multi user with networking |
| 03:25.10 | maq0r | correct? |
| 03:25.20 | fbi | god dammit |
| 03:25.29 | fbi | i linked it already i think |
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| 03:25.53 | asg | maq0r: no, debian uses init 2 by default |
| 03:25.59 | fbi | asg: seriously though. chavs trip me out |
| 03:26.12 | asg | maq0r: 3, 4, and 5 are left for local administrative uses |
| 03:26.32 | maq0r | init 2 is the normal run level for multi user with networking? |
| 03:26.58 | maq0r | I thought I read on google it was 3 |
| 03:27.03 | TraceGreen | hello, ./exe /mnt/h\ e\ e\ l/hello is ok, but if str="/mnt/h\ e\ \e l/hello", ./exe `cat $str` is fail, how can i deal whth blank space? |
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| 03:27.13 | asg | fbi: funnily enough, I'm from Yorkshire so 'init and bludy 'ell are part of my vocab. |
| 03:27.14 | abrotman | maq0r: in debian it's 2 |
| 03:27.18 | Guerin | maq0r: you didn't. |
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| 03:27.28 | EdLin | maq0r: Debian is different than other unixes in its's handling of run levels. |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | Guerin: on solaris .. 3 is normal + NFS |
| 03:27.35 | fbi | asg: sweet, you'd fit in at the pubs in brighton |
| 03:27.47 | maq0r | abrotman Is this only for Debian or other linux distros handle run levels differently? |
| 03:27.50 | abrotman | fbi: you live in montana! |
| 03:27.51 | log0ut | where can download it ? |
| 03:27.54 | maq0r | I thought it was sort of like a standard |
| 03:28.05 | asg | fbi: I don't have the accent anymore unless I'm really sloshed though. |
| 03:28.05 | abrotman | maq0r: iirc .. RH uses 5 for normal+gui .. and 2 for normal |
| 03:28.06 | fbi | meh? i'm in huntington beach |
| 03:28.09 | fbi | what are you smokin' |
| 03:28.20 | abrotman | there are beaches in montana ? |
| 03:28.20 | fbi | asg: i hear ya |
| 03:28.31 | maq0r | abrotman Got it |
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| 03:28.49 | maq0r | So , in case I get a init 1 from runlevel, I just have to type init 2 to go to normal mode? |
| 03:28.50 | asg | fbi: though if the brit to yank ratio is imbalanced, I go brit after a while regardless of the booze. |
| 03:28.54 | maq0r | (multi user with networking) |
| 03:29.18 | log0ut | where can donwload bebian? |
| 03:29.34 | EdLin | !d-r log0ut |
| 03:29.36 | maq0r | www.debian.org :) |
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| 03:29.38 | asg | log0ut: da.hood.debian.org |
| 03:29.39 | EdLin | !d-i log0ut |
| 03:29.39 | wired_ | what does this mean? |
| 03:29.40 | dpkg | log0ut, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:29.42 | wired_ | kernel: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: input irq status -71 received |
| 03:29.47 | TraceGreen | log0ut, you may try to use ubuntu |
| 03:30.00 | TraceGreen | log0ut, ubuntu is a kind of debian. |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | TraceGreen: why the fuck would he do that ? |
| 03:30.24 | Wyzard | TraceGreen: Ubuntu is a completely separate distribution that happens to be based on Debian |
| 03:30.26 | wired_ | it shows it in the log constantly |
| 03:30.41 | asg | wired_: try pasting the error in google |
| 03:30.44 | Wyzard | TraceGreen: It is not a "kind of" Debian and it is not supported by #debian |
| 03:30.51 | fevel | does anyone know a package that configures the eth card (ip, submask, gteway...) for x??? |
| 03:31.01 | asg | fevel: etherconf |
| 03:31.18 | asg | fevel: or /usr/bin/editor and interfaces(5) |
| 03:31.26 | fevel | asg: thats too coonsole :T |
| 03:31.44 | fevel | agney: im installing a workstation |
| 03:31.45 | TraceGreen | Wyzard, yeah, sorry, but, if he want to use debian, ubuntu is nice to use. at least i think. |
| 03:31.45 | abrotman | wow .. much like .. too country .. it's too console .. |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | TraceGreen: it is NOT debian |
| 03:31.59 | fevel | they are all veryverynoobs |
| 03:32.09 | abrotman | TraceGreen: so when someone asks how to install Debian .. dont' suggest ubuntu |
| 03:32.19 | TraceGreen | abrotman, ok, sorry. |
| 03:32.24 | asg | fevel: so, it's efficient, effective, works, and is easily supported in a text environment like irc. |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | !tell log0ut about d-i |
| 03:33.24 | asg | fevel: look at gnome-system-tools perhaps |
| 03:33.27 | fevel | abrotman: Do you know a good gui eth configuration package (whats that called on ubuntu??)? |
| 03:33.31 | Wyzard | fevel: Why do "veryverynoobs" need to configure network interfaces manually? |
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| 03:33.41 | abrotman | fevel: nfc .. ubuntu is the work of the devil |
| 03:34.20 | slowhand | haha |
| 03:34.32 | Wyzard | Mark Shuttleworth is Satan? |
| 03:34.46 | slowhand | hahah |
| 03:34.49 | EdLin | Wyzard: you didn't know that? |
| 03:34.49 | fevel | Wyzard: they all have laptops and they translate books... so they basically configure the network on three different locations |
| 03:34.50 | maq0r | Why abrotman? |
| 03:34.54 | abrotman | hey .. he is the fallen angel .. left the space station |
| 03:34.56 | maq0r | I've only heard good things about ubuntu |
| 03:35.01 | maq0r | I'm a Debian guy though |
| 03:35.08 | Wyzard | fevel: And none of those locations have DHCP? |
| 03:35.18 | asg | maq0r: then go try it, make your own judgement |
| 03:35.38 | maq0r | I've seen it running, I just want to know what cons abrotman has |
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| 03:35.41 | fevel | yeah but it has a good eth configurator that I would like an equivalent for debian |
| 03:35.44 | Wyzard | maq0r: Ubuntu is nice as a desktop system, but I'm still leaning toward running Debian sid on the new laptop I ordered yesterday, as I do on my other systems |
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| 03:35.49 | maq0r | has found |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | maq0r: i have many cons .. i'm not nice to people! |
| 03:35.52 | cheal | hahaha! |
| 03:35.57 | maq0r | Ah hehe |
| 03:36.22 | lightbright | what would cause my monitor to flicker at times? |
| 03:36.24 | Maliuta | anyone running php4 with mysqli on stable? |
| 03:36.25 | abrotman | fevel: i'm sure it's there .. i just have no idea what it's called |
| 03:36.29 | asg | fevel: feel free to port ubuntu's configurator back to Debian. We are quite happy, however, to use just edit /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 03:36.36 | Guerin | lightbright: solar flares |
| 03:36.41 | lightbright | Maliuta: i used to |
| 03:36.43 | abrotman | lightbright: a flourescent lamp |
| 03:36.49 | Wyzard | fevel: If you mean netapplet, it's available in Debian too, but currently broken -- see bug #316212 |
| 03:36.51 | cheal | I was looking for the gnome network configuration app, thought I'd try the menu, then thought, no, I'll search it using console, so clicked anywhere to escape the menu, and that happened to launch the app I was looking for! |
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| 03:37.02 | lightbright | Guerin: is that a sign my mintor is about to break? |
| 03:37.02 | dotCOMmie | lightbright: chewing on something crunchy d: |
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| 03:37.04 | cheal | out of the...100+ menu entries I have |
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| 03:37.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: broken everywhere ? |
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| 03:37.09 | Maliuta | lightbright: where abouts did you get the package for mysqli? |
| 03:37.21 | cheal | fevel: check Network Tools |
| 03:37.22 | abrotman | wtf is mysqli ? |
| 03:37.23 | Wyzard | fevel: You can apply the patch from Ubuntu's version of the package and build a .deb locally... I've done it and it works |
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| 03:38.02 | lightbright | Maliuta: I did: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 03:38.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: It depends on "libiw27" which no longer exists in the archive... libiw28 exists instead |
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| 03:38.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. gotcha .. but it still works on sarge |
| 03:38.23 | lightbright | Maliuta: and apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 03:38.33 | lightbright | Maliuta: have you installed those 2? |
| 03:38.44 | Maliuta | lightbright: that's not the mysqli extension |
| 03:38.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: I discovered the package on an Ubuntu system and wanted to try it out for switching between wired and wireless connections when both are connected and usable |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | you forgot libapache{2}-mod-php4 |
| 03:38.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's a bit quirky for that, though, so I don't use it anymore |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: there's another for that .. |
| 03:39.11 | lightbright | Maliuta: ah ok |
| 03:39.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: it automagically figures out where you are |
| 03:39.14 | Maliuta | lightbright: I have the mysql extension install, I just need mysqli to access a mysql 5.0 db |
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| 03:39.33 | lightbright | Maliuta: ok, sorry cant help there |
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| 03:39.52 | Wyzard | abrotman: "Where I am" doesn't really matter; both interfaces configure successfully by DHCP |
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| 03:40.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh ok |
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| 03:40.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's just an issue of which one gets the default route, when both are up |
| 03:41.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: you sure you don't drink beer ? |
| 03:41.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: (the wired interface is automatically up whenever a cable is plugged in and the wireless is automatically up whenever a known AP is available, thanks to ifplugd, so sometimes they're both up at the same time) |
| 03:41.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: Quite sure, why? |
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| 03:41.28 | fbi | !confuse abrotman |
| 03:41.29 | dpkg | Yes, what was my mushroom today, abrotman? wellies of the republic of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 03:41.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: cause you're so close :) |
| 03:41.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: How am I close to drinking beer? |
| 03:41.53 | fbi | weird dpkg wasn't responding to my msg |
| 03:42.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: i mean .. i drink behind your office! |
| 03:42.08 | myren | how do i permentantly change my fully qualified hostname? |
| 03:42.16 | Wyzard | abrotman: ah |
| 03:42.22 | asg | myren: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 03:42.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: which is a little creepy at lunch time |
| 03:42.38 | fevel | how do I configure with /etc/network/interfaces? what code do i need to put in for configuring a lan point? |
| 03:42.57 | pureone | man 5 interfaces |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: can't you rig pre-ifup or whatever to check to see if one is up ? |
| 03:43.31 | douglas | i fired up 2.6.12-k7 and all of a sudden the console's bugging out about my processor overheating (one amd athlon 2.6GHz). What's up with that. |
| 03:43.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: You mean have the wireless connection not come up if the wired is already up? |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah |
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| 03:44.02 | Brian_L | douglas: maybe its overheating :) |
| 03:44.17 | douglas | Brian_L: +1, insightful |
| 03:44.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: That's ugly... and anyway, I do want it to come up, so it's available if I unplug the cable -- I just don't want it to be *used* when the cable is connected |
| 03:44.40 | Brian_L | douglas: im running the same kernel on an amd64 3000+ i have not seen that error |
| 03:44.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: you have complex needs ... but admittedly .. windows would work that way ... |
| 03:45.04 | douglas | ok .. but it did stop when i reverted to 2.4 |
| 03:45.06 | Metrics | Wyzard: ifplugd? |
| 03:45.06 | pureone | what is k7 ? |
| 03:45.09 | fevel | why didnt anybody tell me about gnome-nettool?? |
| 03:45.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's not much of an issue at this point anyway because I rarely use wireless... I'll care more in a few weeks when my new laptop arrives, which has built-in wireless and a battery that lasts long enough to make it practical to carry around the house |
| 03:45.34 | Wyzard | Metrics: I already use ifplugd |
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| 03:45.41 | douglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.46 | douglas | he's got everything |
| 03:45.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: does it come with beer ? |
| 03:46.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope |
| 03:46.09 | pureone | cool thanks :) |
| 03:46.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: you sure you don't ever set foot in a bar ? |
| 03:46.29 | ows | what's the best channel to talk 'bout Graphics cards? |
| 03:46.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: I've been in a bar once, for a friend's 21st birthday |
| 03:46.35 | amphi | Wyzard: what laptop? |
| 03:46.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe some day i'll drag you to sly fox .. it's not too far for you |
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| 03:47.56 | Wyzard | amphi: http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10000001&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840&partNumber=252904U |
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| 03:48.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: you'd have to make some kind of script/hack that knows your preferred medium .. and can keep a route for both .. |
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| 03:48.35 | amphi | Wyzard: stinkpad? nice |
| 03:48.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: The routing table ends up with two default-route entries, and the one that gets used is the "first" one, which is whichever interface came up most recently |
| 03:49.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: I suspect that if I set the wireless interface's metric, I can make the wired default-route always be preferred over the wireless default-route when both exist |
| 03:49.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: can't you .. erm .. make the preferred medium the Default gateway .. and still give the gatewya for the other medium ? |
| 03:50.10 | Wyzard | abrotman: The routes are set automatically by dhclient |
| 03:50.11 | abrotman | !tell maq0r about away |
| 03:50.40 | cheal | fevel: perhaps because...wait, I did tell you about it |
| 03:50.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: and I do like the idea of having both default routes in the table, because if I unplug the cable and ifplugd brings that interface down, the other one is already there and instantly ready to be used |
| 03:50.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: hrm .. i've never tried to plugin both in windows to see what happens |
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| 03:51.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: so the question is really how to cause the wireless interface's routes to have a higher metric |
| 03:51.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: voodoo |
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| 03:52.13 | abrotman | !beer Wyzard |
| 03:52.14 | neoxan_ | anyone want sex with me? (: |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | neoxan_: me |
| 03:52.24 | neoxan_ | ok, where? |
| 03:52.37 | abrotman | neoxan_: #hottub |
| 03:52.41 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:52.51 | neoxan_ | theres nobody :-( |
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| 03:52.59 | sepen | hi! |
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| 03:53.07 | abrotman | neoxan_: hint hint |
| 03:53.15 | neoxan_ | :D |
| 03:53.30 | sepen | what's hapened about kernel-source-2.6.8 on testing ? |
| 03:53.45 | fbi | sepen: linux-source |
| 03:53.47 | sepen | I can't find it |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | linux-source-2.6.12 |
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| 03:53.56 | sepen | O.O |
| 03:53.57 | fbi | wait |
| 03:54.01 | fbi | there is no 2.6.8 in testing |
| 03:54.02 | fbi | is there? |
| 03:54.07 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I'm having some problems with the she-bang. When I type #!/usr/bin/python it doesn't work (but /usr/bin/python is linked to /usr/bin/python2.3), when I #!/usr/bin/python2.3 is works. But it's an inconvienience to point it towards 2.3. Is there a way around this? |
| 03:54.51 | imex | how are all doing? I just installed kernel 2.6.8 and my nic no respond even going back to 2.4, any idea how to acivate it back again? |
| 03:55.14 | sepen | great! |
| 03:55.25 | leaf__ | can anyone ans a question about resolution for me? |
| 03:55.31 | Wyzard | imex: What kind of NIC? |
| 03:55.31 | sepen | thanks abrotman |
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| 03:55.35 | abrotman | imex: load the right module |
| 03:55.36 | ArtVandalae | leaf__, just ask |
| 03:55.44 | imex | 3 COM |
| 03:55.50 | leaf__ | i just installed debian sarge |
| 03:55.52 | abrotman | oh . only 4234 of those |
| 03:55.52 | imex | it was working fine |
| 03:55.59 | cheal | fbi: no |
| 03:56.12 | imex | and then after the update and it just no want to work |
| 03:56.13 | leaf__ | and i can't get the res any higher then 800 x 600 |
| 03:56.29 | imex | leds on nic and router both on means they work |
| 03:56.35 | leaf__ | i know my monitor will support higher |
| 03:56.40 | Wyzard | imex: Having 2.6 installed shouldn't have any effect on how your existing 2.4 kernel handles your card |
| 03:56.46 | Wyzard | imex: Did you upgrade anything else at the same time? |
| 03:57.15 | imex | leaf: goto /etc/X11, edit the XF86Config-4 to edit the section for the depth default |
| 03:57.20 | fbi | !tell leaf__: about drxx |
| 03:57.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: if the NIC module name changed |
| 03:57.25 | imex | Wyzard: nope |
| 03:57.29 | leaf__ | ok |
| 03:57.37 | fbi | something happened to that factoid again |
| 03:57.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: I know the 8139 module changed its name, but I haven't heard of any 3Com drivers being renamed |
| 03:57.47 | abrotman | fbi: ? |
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| 03:57.54 | fbi | leaf__: do not edit that file |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: iirc .. tulip changed also |
| 03:57.54 | fbi | !drxx |
| 03:57.54 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:57.59 | abrotman | fbi: loks fine |
| 03:58.10 | fbi | abrotman: try and tell me about it |
| 03:58.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: That isn't 3Com afaik |
| 03:58.27 | leaf__ | is there a better way |
| 03:58.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know |
| 03:58.33 | fbi | No, fbi, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 03:58.34 | abrotman | !tell fbi about drxx |
| 03:58.40 | fbi | weird |
| 03:58.41 | imex | Wyzard: dont know what happened even going back to kernel 2.4 still no nic working |
| 03:58.46 | Wyzard | imex: "My 3Com network card doesn't work" really isn't enough information for anyone to provide much help |
| 03:58.46 | leaf__ | deb-conf |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | fbi: you told leaf__: not leaf__ |
| 03:58.56 | fbi | dpkg is on crack right now or something |
| 03:59.01 | fbi | oh |
| 03:59.17 | abrotman | imex: lspci .. what card is it |
| 03:59.17 | fbi | anyway don't edit that file. |
| 03:59.21 | Wyzard | imex: Is the kernel completely failing to recognize the card? Does the interface exist but fails to get an IP address? Provide details on what's not working. |
| 03:59.44 | fbi | later |
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| 04:01.20 | imex | when do ifconfig, loopback works but rx/tx error |
| 04:02.02 | Wyzard | imex: rx/tx errors on eth0? |
| 04:02.02 | Wyzard | imex: Could be a dead card or a bad cable |
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| 04:02.48 | WiFiTux | heya, does anyone know the resolution to the udev problem on Sid? it won't start x and there was a thread on debian-devel about it. |
| 04:03.19 | imex | Wyzard: leds on back of nic and router as well |
| 04:03.21 | imex | :( |
| 04:03.21 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: X is working fine on my sid systems... |
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| 04:03.37 | ows | what graphics cards do you suggest to 3d-real time rendering? |
| 04:03.41 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: did you upgrade in the last 2 days? |
| 04:03.44 | Wyzard | imex: Those LEDs don't mean the card is working perfectly |
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| 04:03.59 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: I upgrade daily... I haven't restarted my desktop in a few days, but I've booted my laptop several times |
| 04:04.12 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: The only problem I've noticed lately is hald failing to start, but X works fine |
| 04:04.13 | lightbright | if a person has a 386 Celeron 800 CPU , can they install a linux-686 kernel? |
| 04:04.15 | ericrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.26 | imex | hmmm i guess will find another cable to check then |
| 04:04.34 | imex | thanks for all the input |
| 04:04.38 | Wyzard | imex: and/or a different card |
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| 04:04.45 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: hald? The odd thing is that mine won't work at all. I heard about this in the ML like 3 days ago. |
| 04:05.01 | Wyzard | lightbright: "386" in that case just means the card is part of the x86 family of processors |
| 04:05.03 | ericrar | imex, |
| 04:05.05 | Wyzard | lightbright: A Celeron is a 686 |
| 04:05.07 | liable | WiFiTux: no clues in bts? |
| 04:05.10 | imex | yes? |
| 04:05.44 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: hald works when I run it with "--daemon=no", but seems to silently die when trying to daemonize |
| 04:06.11 | imex | ericrar: what have u got in mind? |
| 04:06.15 | lightbright | Wyzard: ah ok, i didnt know that. thanks |
| 04:06.46 | WiFiTux | liable: according to what package? ;-) |
| 04:07.11 | liable | WiFiTux: um, udev?? |
| 04:07.22 | ericrar | imex, i don't know |
| 04:07.22 | WiFiTux | liable: yeah, I'll check... |
| 04:07.29 | WiFiTux | stupid udev developers ;-| |
| 04:07.31 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: Out of curiosity, how is udev preventing X from starting? |
| 04:07.34 | lightbright | Wyzard: so it would be better to use a linux-686 kernel than the 386 one I use now? |
| 04:07.43 | imex | ericrar: u bad keep me reading the screen waiting on ur answer |
| 04:07.47 | Wyzard | lightbright: For performance reasons, yes |
| 04:07.55 | Wyzard | lightbright: but there's nothing really wrong with using a generic 386 kernel |
| 04:08.00 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: I dunno, the thread mentioned something about it and not starting X which is my problem. |
| 04:08.04 | WiFiTux | brb |
| 04:08.07 | lightbright | Wyzard: ok i understand |
| 04:08.23 | stew | if you upgrade udev in etch/sid these days, its often a good idea to purge it and reinstall it, becuase you need to have /etc/udev/* in sync with the version you are running |
| 04:08.26 | lightbright | WiFiTux: we will miss you :P |
| 04:08.59 | neoxan_ | blubb |
| 04:09.21 | imex | thanks all |
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| 04:10.03 | WiFiTux | ja! |
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| 04:10.09 | WiFiTux | is the mouse problem./ |
| 04:10.15 | WiFiTux | udev handles the mouse right? |
| 04:10.23 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: ah... the mouse device isn't getting created? |
| 04:10.42 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: Yes... |
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| 04:10.56 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: I mean, correctly. |
| 04:11.10 | stew | WiFiTux: dpkg -P --force-depends udev ; apt-get install udev |
| 04:11.15 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: X on my laptop (which runs sid and was just booted about an hour ago) uses /dev/input/mice, which exists |
| 04:11.23 | stew | WiFiTux: wait |
| 04:11.27 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: mine doesn't |
| 04:11.28 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: but I have "psmouse" in /etc/modules... maybe it wouldn't work without that? |
| 04:11.28 | WiFiTux | stew: ok |
| 04:11.30 | stew | WiFiTux: do you have psmouse and udev loaded? |
| 04:11.35 | stew | err |
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| 04:11.37 | stew | and mousedev |
| 04:11.48 | WiFiTux | hhmm let me check mousedev and udev? |
| 04:11.52 | stew | not udev |
| 04:11.54 | stew | just mousedev |
| 04:11.55 | WiFiTux | ok |
| 04:12.03 | WiFiTux | you mean, like modprobe? |
| 04:12.06 | stew | yes |
| 04:12.13 | danga | Hi All, how would I get window maker to start on boot. I changed it in .xinitrc but I dont know if it is suposed to be "exec windowmaker" or what. |
| 04:12.20 | stew | you were probably relying on hotplug to load mousedev previously |
| 04:12.29 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: I think psmouse is one of the modules that can't be automatically loaded by hardware detection -- a mouse isn't a PCI device which can be found by scanning a bus |
| 04:12.39 | WiFiTux | stew: you did iy! now looks like should work. Why isn't it loading it now? |
| 04:12.53 | WiFiTux | ok, works now |
| 04:13.07 | stew | WiFiTux: udev now conflicts with hotplug, so you no longer have it |
| 04:13.32 | WiFiTux | stew: right, so, it's now not making anything that the /etc/modules says? |
| 04:13.40 | WiFiTux | which file does it read now? |
| 04:13.42 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: no, /etc/modules still works |
| 04:13.52 | slowhand | hey any of you guys against capitalism? |
| 04:13.53 | stew | WiFiTux: no its still reads it, you probably don't have mousedev in there |
| 04:13.53 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: That's not what hotplug does |
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| 04:14.23 | Wyzard | slowhand: This isn't ##economics |
| 04:14.24 | WiFiTux | stew: I do now. Cool. |
| 04:14.33 | slowhand | yeah but it's debian |
| 04:14.46 | WiFiTux | slowhand: give #FidelCastro a try |
| 04:14.48 | slowhand | *cough* freeware |
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| 04:15.04 | Wyzard | slowhand: ah... in other words, you're trolling |
| 04:15.11 | WiFiTux | anyway, Thanks guys. I still ponder why it didn't load mousedev |
| 04:15.20 | Wyzard | slowhand: Free software isn't a statement against capitalism |
| 04:15.27 | slowhand | don't get me started on him... Canada has a waaay better medical system then the states but Cuba blows them both out of the water |
| 04:15.31 | stew | WiFiTux: becuase hotplug used to load it for you automatically now hotplug isn't installed |
| 04:15.59 | slowhand | it's got a lil taste of that thing they call double entendre though wouldn't you say? |
| 04:16.13 | blaze_ | how can you shut down kde? |
| 04:16.16 | WiFiTux | stew: but now udev should right? |
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| 04:16.51 | slowhand | blaze open a console type reboot and whence youre comp starts to boot again kill the power |
| 04:17.03 | stew | WiFiTux: no, the udev developers don't believe that udev should do it, they believe it is the job of somehting like hal/ or something on top of hal |
| 04:17.15 | Wyzard | blaze_: There's a logout command on the K menu... |
| 04:17.23 | imex | have another simple question, how do i default all web browsing to firefox? |
| 04:17.25 | Wyzard | slowhand: He asked about quitting KDE, not rebooting the whole computer |
| 04:17.34 | WiFiTux | stew: ok then. I shall add those things to /etc/modules anyway. |
| 04:17.43 | fbi | that's a ridiculous thing to advise no matter what he was asking |
| 04:17.52 | blaze_ | but that will take me to the graphical login screen |
| 04:17.59 | blaze_ | I am trying to get openbox to work. |
| 04:18.01 | stew | imex: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser (as root) |
| 04:18.07 | fbi | blaze_: remove your display manager |
| 04:18.07 | blaze_ | But I am having some troubles... |
| 04:18.19 | blaze_ | I don't have a clue how to do that |
| 04:18.21 | lightbright | blaze_: openbox any good compared with kde? |
| 04:18.27 | fbi | !tell blaze_ about nodm |
| 04:18.32 | blaze_ | haven't gottent it to work yet |
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| 04:18.35 | Wyzard | blaze_: If openbox installs a session script like it should, you should be able to choose it as the session type from the login screen |
| 04:18.42 | neoxan_ | kde is _not_ good imo |
| 04:18.42 | beowu1f | can anyone try and pls try and connect to my machine through ssh,just need to check if works from the outside |
| 04:18.58 | blaze_ | lightbright I tried that, it didn't do anything |
| 04:19.00 | fbi | blaze_: do what dpkg just said, and you can start openbox with your ~/.xsession |
| 04:19.02 | beowu1f | my ip is 66.110.111.140 |
| 04:19.04 | imex | stwe: k i go try now |
| 04:19.08 | blaze_ | I am in an X console now |
| 04:19.37 | Wyzard | blaze_: You're using GDM? Or KDM? |
| 04:19.50 | fbi | blaze_: apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 04:20.06 | Wyzard | fbi: What does removing GDM have to do with using Openbox? |
| 04:20.18 | imex | stew: worked, thanks |
| 04:20.22 | blaze_ | Umm, I don't quit know. |
| 04:20.23 | fbi | he just said he didn't want a graphical login |
| 04:20.31 | fbi | it doesn't have anything to do with openbox. |
| 04:20.36 | blaze_ | its what ever debain installs by default. |
| 04:20.38 | imex | gtg fix another pc now, ttyl and thanks all |
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| 04:20.56 | Wyzard | fbi: He said logging out gets him to a login screen and that he's trying to start Openbox |
| 04:21.08 | Wyzard | blaze_: Log out, and from the login screen, open the Sessions menu |
| 04:21.13 | Wyzard | blaze_: Openbox should be there |
| 04:21.21 | fbi | yeah, i can read. that's why i suggested he use ~/.xsession |
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| 04:21.25 | blaze_ | alright thank you. |
| 04:21.44 | blaze_ | i am going to try the /.xsession |
| 04:22.04 | Wyzard | blaze_: Try the session menu first, since it's much simpler... if Openbox isn't in the session menu, then edit ~/.xsession |
| 04:22.17 | blaze_ | alright |
| 04:22.19 | blaze_ | be right back them |
| 04:22.56 | Gumby | for the life of me I cant remember what its called when you have multiple debian versions in your apt sources but you have one that is a higher priority than the other. Can anyone refresh my memory? |
| 04:23.04 | zuralin | pinning |
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| 04:23.45 | Gumby | thank you :) |
| 04:24.21 | Wyzard | fbi: Using ~/.xsession doesn't require uninstalling GDM, btw |
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| 04:25.09 | fbi | dude, he said he did not want a graphical login, scroll up or /lastlog. i know what .xsession does. |
| 04:25.32 | fbi | when i asked him if he wanted to remove the display manager, he said he didn't know how. i told him. |
| 04:25.38 | nse | Hello everybody! My system in the boot process is complaining thatabout some thing related about fsck, mounted deviced anb superblocks. It's saying that a ext2 filesystem is nout found in the superbloc, and tell me to run e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2 - after running it gaves me the same thing, to run the same thing. Running fsck /dev/hda2 says that it's ok, e2fsck /dev/hda2 too. What I need to do to go round this? |
| 04:26.37 | myren | how do i set default LANG's for a system? |
| 04:26.46 | nse | a correction: e2fsck gave the same output of e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2 |
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| 04:27.05 | Wyzard | fbi: You told him to remove GDM and he said he didn't know how he do it... that doesn't indicate that he wanted to not have a graphical login, or even that he knew that uninstalling GDM would get rid of the graphical login |
| 04:27.27 | Wyzard | fbi: just that you'd told him to do something and he didn't understand your instruction |
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| 04:29.43 | cheal | myren: probably with /etc/environment |
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| 04:30.50 | myren | my terminal isnt resizing. i adjust the size of my putty window, but stuff like man is still paginating to 80x25... what gives? |
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| 04:31.13 | myren | cheal: there is no such file nor directory |
| 04:32.34 | cheal | myren: I'm surprised, but that might be possible |
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| 04:33.19 | myren | omg, this install has almost every single locale set for create. |
| 04:33.23 | myren | i'm terrified how huge this is going to be |
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| 04:37.02 | sanus | anyone know a rep with xfce 4.2.3 packages? |
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| 04:42.01 | marc | how can I change the resolution of X, it looks like I'm running at 800x600. |
| 04:42.13 | blanky | does debian come more towards servers 'out of the box' than ubuntu? like fedora does? |
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| 04:42.48 | Gnea | blanky: debian was around years before ubuntu was - ubuntu is nothing but an off-shoot of debian. |
| 04:43.06 | olczyk | Is there a way to tell what package a particular file came from? |
| 04:43.36 | blanky | Gnea: lol, I just like how it has a lot of support and it has 6 month release periods |
| 04:43.45 | blanky | but back to the former question |
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| 04:43.51 | blanky | is it geared more towards servers than ubuntu is? |
| 04:44.03 | [Cadet] | olczyk: sure dpkg -S filename |
| 04:44.05 | amphi | olczyk: dpkg -S file |
| 04:44.15 | blanky | huh? |
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| 04:45.54 | blanky | [Cadet], I know where it came from, hence why I'm asking, to derive a difference |
| 04:45.56 | [Cadet] | blanky: This is debian, why ask stupid ubuntu questions |
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| 04:46.39 | [Cadet] | blanky: Must not understand what you read then. They take a snapshot of debian then polish it. What in that makes you think debian is only for servers |
| 04:47.14 | blanky | I know that, but I'm wondering if debian has more server packages out of the box than ubuntu, like fedora does |
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| 04:47.38 | vulture | blanky: "out of the box" there's nothing but a base system |
| 04:47.39 | [Cadet] | blanky: Are you stupid or what? debian has more packages period |
| 04:47.48 | marc | anyone? really, I'm looking in all the menus and nothing looks like a program to help me change the resolution of X. |
| 04:48.03 | myren | easy there, no need to actually eat the idiots. ;) |
| 04:48.08 | dusk | newb question: whats the shortcut to run a program in gnome? ;p |
| 04:48.15 | blanky | [Cadet], I was just asking an innocent question, why be so mean :'( |
| 04:48.29 | blanky | And yes I know that debian has a larger repository |
| 04:48.51 | [Cadet] | blanky: Umm, well this is #debian. If you want to talk about ubuntu why not go to a different channel |
| 04:48.52 | myren | dusk: alt-f2 maybe |
| 04:49.04 | blanky | I'm not talking about ubuntu... |
| 04:49.14 | blanky | okay, you know when you install a distro, it lets you choose packages |
| 04:49.14 | dusk | myren: thx |
| 04:49.24 | blanky | Fedora comes with many server packages |
| 04:49.33 | bob2 | blanky: ubutnu and debian's package selection is essentially identical |
| 04:49.34 | blanky | ubuntu doesn't, hence why I'm asking if debian does |
| 04:49.34 | marc | is it really that difficult to configure X? |
| 04:49.41 | bob2 | blanky: except that ubuntu does |
| 04:49.44 | blanky | bob2: hey you're from #ubuntu! |
| 04:49.50 | blanky | <---blank |
| 04:49.50 | bob2 | marc: almost certainly not |
| 04:50.04 | myren | #debian really doesnt like or know comparison to other unixies. you'll get no where asking your questions about "better than" "worse than" here |
| 04:50.10 | myren | that was for you blanky |
| 04:50.18 | neoxan_ | im a troll, could you please ban me? |
| 04:50.23 | neoxan_ | thanks in advance |
| 04:50.30 | blanky | why do you guys think I'm comparing them in an ideological way |
| 04:50.35 | fbi | god damn i wish i was in op in here for ten seconds |
| 04:50.42 | neoxan_ | :D |
| 04:50.44 | myren | you are compariong them period |
| 04:50.45 | blanky | I'm asking a factual question, does debian come with more server packages on the disc than ubuntu |
| 04:50.46 | bob2 | blanky: regardless, they are essentially identical, packagewise |
| 04:50.47 | marc | bob2: so how do I know what to change in the X configuration file? |
| 04:50.56 | bob2 | marc: it's rare that you need to touch it at all |
| 04:51.03 | bob2 | blanky: that question is silly |
| 04:51.05 | marc | bob2: how else can I configure X? |
| 04:51.09 | myren | blanky: there's nothing factual about deciding whether a package is a "server" package |
| 04:51.11 | blanky | I know, I was just wondering...damn |
| 04:51.16 | bob2 | marc: by installing it and letting it set itself up |
| 04:51.24 | blanky | I mean like apache, php, mysql, etc. |
| 04:51.30 | bob2 | blanky: this is very very silly |
| 04:51.30 | myren | blanky: you cna run most ubuntu packages in debian and vice versa, so the whole thing is pretty moot. their fairly identical |
| 04:51.42 | blanky | okay guys listen, I'm not asking which distro has more packages |
| 04:51.47 | bob2 | blanky: the contents of the CD is irelevant, since you'll be getting stuff from internet mirrors immediately, anyway |
| 04:52.00 | marc | bob2: it didn't set itself up properly, I would like to change the resolution from 800x600 to something higher like in Windows. I suspect if Windows supports that resolution on this relatively old hardware, Linux should too. |
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| 04:52.07 | blanky | EXACTLY BOB2! He understands me, but bob2, I dont have internet access on a computer |
| 04:52.23 | bob2 | it's a server with no internet access? |
| 04:52.35 | blanky | local |
| 04:52.42 | bob2 | this cd thing is a furphy |
| 04:52.51 | bob2 | you can make your own cd with whatever you want on it, with apt-zip or debian-cd |
| 04:52.57 | myren | any distro worth a salt will have all the mainstream servers for anything you want blanky |
| 04:53.10 | bob2 | ubuntu's first cd is intended for general desktop use, so it obviously doesn't include crap like mysql-server |
| 04:53.15 | blanky | myren: I know, man, nevermind |
| 04:53.20 | bob2 | debian's first cd almost certainly doesn't have it either |
| 04:53.23 | blanky | bob2: how can I make my own debian cd again? |
| 04:53.26 | marc | bob2: in Windows, I have a graphical interface which simply allows me to select the resolution from a drop down menu. In debian, must I edit the "Screen" section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 04:53.31 | bob2 | blanky: debian-cd or apt-zip |
| 04:53.38 | bob2 | marc: no, of course not |
| 04:53.41 | bob2 | marc: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 04:53.45 | blanky | is that a command? I guess not |
| 04:53.51 | bob2 | blanky: ...yes. |
| 04:54.18 | Daveman | hey blanky :P |
| 04:54.22 | Daveman | haha |
| 04:54.39 | blanky | ello :) |
| 04:55.09 | marc | bob2: thanks, that dpkg-reconfigure wasn't as obvious as the control panel in Windows, thanks for the info. |
| 04:55.22 | bob2 | comparing what software is on the first debian cd vs the ubuntu cd is not nearly the same thing as comparing ubuntu and debian's approriateness as server OSs |
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| 04:55.29 | bob2 | that's all I was getting at |
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| 04:55.36 | bob2 | marc: it's in the FAQ in the channel topic |
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| 04:56.55 | Escherial | hello; what would i need to make the mail accounts on my fresh debian install accessible over the internet? |
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| 04:57.07 | Escherial | stupidly, i chose the "local mail only" option during installation |
| 04:57.18 | bob2 | Escherial: exim4 or postfix? |
| 04:57.37 | Escherial | so i can just grab those via aptitude...? |
| 04:57.43 | Escherial | i'm still kind of new to the idea of a package manager, heh |
| 04:57.47 | bob2 | ... |
| 04:57.51 | bob2 | what MTA did you install? |
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| 04:58.17 | Escherial | if that stands for mail transport agent, i don't think i did...or i did and i don't know which one...\ |
| 04:58.25 | bob2 | so |
| 04:58.33 | bob2 | first lesson, watch what you're doing |
| 04:58.40 | bob2 | 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
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| 05:00.12 | Escherial | ah, thank you; i chose the "local delivery only; not on a network" option, as i remembered doing |
| 05:00.37 | Escherial | i didn't think that i would need to send/receive mail on this machine, but i didn't expect to receive a metric ton of security emails every few hours or so |
| 05:01.00 | Escherial | reading them via pine is a pain...and sorry for coming off as the ignorant newbie (which i am, i guess); it must be irritating |
| 05:01.09 | bob2 | oh, not at all |
| 05:02.24 | neoxan_ | my cock is much bigger than yours |
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| 05:03.40 | dli | !kp |
| 05:03.40 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 05:05.29 | kronicdreamer | i have Nvidia FX 5500 will it work on Linux |
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| 05:06.02 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: yes |
| 05:06.15 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: but to get 3D support you'll have to install nVidia's non-free driver |
| 05:06.16 | kronicdreamer | even if the box says windows |
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| 05:06.26 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: (which is available as a Debian package) |
| 05:06.42 | kronicdreamer | i have the downloaded debian |
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| 05:07.02 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: The box says "Windows" to tell you that you can't use it in a Mac, because most people don't know about anything besides Windows PCs and Macs |
| 05:07.17 | kronicdreamer | oh ok |
| 05:07.26 | kronicdreamer | but what about the 3D stuff? |
| 05:07.38 | kronicdreamer | i just want it to work on net and stuff |
| 05:07.41 | kronicdreamer | i dont play games |
| 05:07.55 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: If you don't need 3D, you can use the open-source "nv" driver which only supports 2D |
| 05:08.12 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: If you want 3D support, you can install the nVidia packages from the non-free section of Debian |
| 05:08.49 | kronicdreamer | i just need it to see stuff |
| 05:08.52 | cleit0n | hi, how i use kernel-patch-bootsplash in kernel image? |
| 05:09.05 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: When you configure X, choose "nv" as your video driver, and it will work |
| 05:09.14 | kronicdreamer | ok |
| 05:09.16 | kronicdreamer | thnx |
| 05:09.23 | Wyzard | cleit0n: You have to build a custom kernel to use a kernel-patch package |
| 05:09.45 | cleit0n | Wyzard: hum.. dot work in kernel image? |
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| 05:10.38 | Wyzard | cleit0n: The patch modifies the source code... naturally, you have to compile a new kernel *from* the modified source code to use the feature |
| 05:10.52 | kronicdreamer | is there a way i can get my AOL to work on Linux? |
| 05:11.03 | cleit0n | Wyzard: ok i undestand |
| 05:11.04 | kronicdreamer | i have 3 years free lol |
| 05:11.17 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: If you mean AOL Instant Messenger, there are several programs which let you connect to that service |
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| 05:11.26 | jpacheco | hey guys |
| 05:11.27 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: If you mean AOL's dial-up ISP service, probably not |
| 05:11.28 | kronicdreamer | no aol free trial |
| 05:11.37 | kronicdreamer | damn that sux |
| 05:11.51 | kronicdreamer | i have one lol |
| 05:11.51 | jpacheco | can someone point me in the direction of some docs that outline what exactly is needed to go from testing to unstable |
| 05:11.58 | cleit0n | and how my X stop when i use Nvidia Driver ? i use riva tnt2 pci |
| 05:12.03 | Wyzard | kronicdreamer: Are you sure it isn't 3 months? |
| 05:12.06 | kronicdreamer | i created a proggy for them |
| 05:12.12 | litage | how does one remove a filesystem from a partition? |
| 05:12.44 | CompWizrd | 3 years if he bought a pc or something, perhaps? |
| 05:12.51 | jpacheco | anyone? |
| 05:12.57 | jpacheco | testing to unstable |
| 05:12.58 | Wyzard | litage: To put a different filesystem on it? |
| 05:13.01 | jpacheco | need some docs |
| 05:13.02 | Escherial | alright, now that i have exim4 installed, how can i go about retrieving mail from my system? via pop or imap, for starters...? |
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| 05:13.20 | Wyzard | jpacheco: Edit sources.list and change "testing" to unstable, then update and dist-upgrade |
| 05:13.32 | fevel | whats the best video player for debian?? |
| 05:13.38 | fevel | is it vlc?? |
| 05:13.39 | Wyzard | jpacheco: but if you need to ask that, you should ask yourself whether you should be running unstable anyway |
| 05:13.40 | Escherial | and is it ok to configure as though i had a smarthost, but just leave the smarthost blank? i don't need to send email from that computer |
| 05:13.43 | fevel | or mplayer?? |
| 05:14.00 | litage | Wyzard: yes |
| 05:14.06 | cleit0n | Wyzard: and kernel image never have bootsplash? |
| 05:14.07 | litage | Wyzard: but first to wipe |
| 05:14.11 | Wyzard | litage: Just create the new filesystem |
| 05:14.14 | amphi | fevel: I prefer mplayer |
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| 05:14.16 | jpacheco | Wyzard: thx for the info |
| 05:14.28 | silverton | how do I limit bandwidth to an interface? |
| 05:14.29 | amphi | fevel: xine if you want dvd menus |
| 05:15.06 | Wyzard | litage: If you need to erase the data securely so it can't be recovered, use a tool like "wipe" on the partition |
| 05:15.10 | fevel | amphi: do you know how I can download a gui for mplayer?? |
| 05:15.11 | wired_ | xine seems to have less problems for me |
| 05:15.26 | wired_ | but I use mozilla-mplayer all the time |
| 05:15.31 | fevel | the only way i could get it to work is with xmms plugin |
| 05:15.33 | litage | Wyzard: yup i know. i don't need to be that secure for this though |
| 05:15.40 | jpacheco | Wyzard: how do i know which urls are unstable? |
| 05:15.54 | Wyzard | litage: If you don't need to do a secure wipe, just run mkfs or whatever |
| 05:16.04 | fevel | wired_: have you ever tried the xmms plugin?? |
| 05:16.09 | litage | how long might ``dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1'' take on a 10gb partition? |
| 05:16.33 | wired_ | my room mate uses it and he likes it, but I haven't tried it yet |
| 05:16.46 | Wyzard | jpacheco: One of the components in a sources.list line is the branch of the repository to use: "stable", "sarge", "testing", "etch", "unstable", whatever |
| 05:17.19 | Wyzard | litage: Depends on how fast the drive is, but probably less than an hour |
| 05:17.20 | fevel | im installing kplayer to take a look |
| 05:17.33 | litage | Wyzard: so >30min? |
| 05:17.39 | Wyzard | litage: maybe |
| 05:18.19 | amphi | fevel: there is one I believe, but I've never used it - what do you want it for? |
| 05:19.13 | wired_ | yeah I have kmplayer installed I don't like it though |
| 05:19.20 | zorten | hello? |
| 05:19.35 | fevel | mine is just kplayer |
| 05:19.36 | cheal | fevel: mplayer isn't in debian |
| 05:19.54 | fevel | i know, I got it in apt-get.org |
| 05:19.59 | cleit0n | quit |
| 05:20.42 | wired_ | fevel you need to add the nerim ftp site to your sources-list |
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| 05:21.13 | fevel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:21.16 | cdqscdqs | hi |
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| 05:21.31 | fevel | that ftp is really great |
| 05:21.39 | cdqscdqs | is there any channel dedicaced for the unofficial amd64 distro? |
| 05:21.41 | fevel | im pretty happy with my debian |
| 05:21.56 | fevel | the only thing I cant do is play window games :( |
| 05:22.16 | cheal | !tell cdqscdqs about amd64 |
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| 05:22.32 | amphi | fevel: that's good too ;) |
| 05:22.46 | cdqscdqs | ty cheal |
| 05:23.09 | fevel | amphi: how come?? |
| 05:23.27 | amphi | fevel: games are a waste of time, IMHO |
| 05:23.37 | wired_ | its a feature! |
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| 05:23.57 | fevel | well thats 1 opinion |
| 05:24.13 | redcliffe | hi - anyone having problems with the latest libxine1 on unstable? since i did an update nothing other than mpeg 1 will play through xine |
| 05:24.34 | wired_ | I suppose you could waste your time playing tux racer.... |
| 05:25.04 | Brian_L | tux racer is fun |
| 05:25.05 | fevel | I suppose Id rather be wasting my time playing battlefield 2 |
| 05:25.15 | Brian_L | battlefield is better |
| 05:25.40 | fevel | the only game I found ok for Linux is wolfenstein ET and its mod TC:E |
| 05:26.14 | fevel | I found metal blob solid fun too |
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| 05:31.52 | twinsen | how do I change the port that my ftp server (pure-ftpd) uses? i checked pure-ftpd's man pages, and I couldn't find any option to change the port from 21 |
| 05:32.27 | dli | do I need uhci-hcd still after I modprobe ehci-hcd? |
| 05:32.41 | peterS | twinsen: it doesn't make much sense to change the port for an ftp server |
| 05:33.04 | peterS | twinsen: since FTP specifies that the server also does stuff on port 20, there's not much point in moving port 21 to somewhere else, since you can't move port 20 anyway |
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| 05:33.39 | twinsen | i have to because I only have one ip address, and you can't port forward the same port to two private ips |
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| 05:34.02 | peterS | twinsen: you're probably out of luck, then, because if you want two FTP servers they will both need access to port 20 |
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| 05:34.31 | twinsen | peterS: why does every windows ftp server allow you to change the port? there has to be a similar option for linux |
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| 05:34.43 | peterS | twinsen: do they let you change port 20, or just port 21? |
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| 05:34.53 | blaze | Hey all. |
| 05:35.17 | twinsen | peterS: you can change the port to any open port, such as 51485 or 6800 |
| 05:35.24 | twinsen | doesn't matter |
| 05:35.26 | peterS | twinsen: *which* port, dude? FTP uses two ports. |
| 05:35.48 | twinsen | the incoming port |
| 05:35.52 | twinsen | typically 21 |
| 05:35.57 | peterS | twinsen: one port is used for the control channel, one is the data channel |
| 05:36.16 | peterS | twinsen: so you're saying the data channel, port 20, *cannot* be changed? if so, what's the point of changing the control channel? |
| 05:37.16 | Brian_L | yeah |
| 05:37.20 | peterS | twinsen: well, anyway, I'll answer your original question: to change the control channel for most ftp servers, it's sufficient to run them from inetd and change the port number inetd assigns to that service |
| 05:37.40 | peterS | twinsen: however, that will not prevent conflicts on port 20, if you run multiple FTP servers. |
| 05:37.56 | peterS | depending on transfer modes and server implementation |
| 05:38.51 | peterS | twinsen: in /etc/inetd.conf, the first field of each line is the port number, which is normally a name from /etc/services. I think you can use an actual number instead, but if not, just pick something else from /etc/services (or add a line to /etc/services, if necessary) |
| 05:39.00 | twinsen | peterS: do you know how to change both ports? we're able to have two servers running simultaneously with windows, so I know there's a way to do it with linux |
| 05:39.50 | blaze | Hey, how come fetchmail, after logging into my pop mail server and authenticating me tell me I have no new mail when I actually do have new mail? |
| 05:40.00 | peterS | twinsen: the protocol itself specifies port 20, so you'd only be able to change this if your FTP clients do not care about that. I'm not certain but I think PORT mode should work with a sufficiently permissive client, whereas PASV mode (I think) won't |
| 05:40.49 | peterS | twinsen: PASV is "passive mode" as opposed to "active mode" which is PORT. you need to use "passive mode" if your FTP client is behind an unintelligent NAT |
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| 05:42.13 | peterS | twinsen: I might add, btw, that this whole business of using two separate ports, in two different transfer modes, is a great excuse to say "screw it, we'll only support HTTP for file transfers" |
| 05:42.47 | nekostar | hey guys :) |
| 05:42.53 | nekostar | seems debian rocks :P |
| 05:42.56 | twinsen | peterS: know of any good http servers strictly for using file transfers? |
| 05:43.01 | peterS | nekostar: we like to think so |
| 05:43.04 | nekostar | hehe |
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| 05:43.25 | nekostar | my only bitch left is my monitor resolution for my dual setup |
| 05:43.26 | secher | what's the util for finding the fastest mirror relative to a node? |
| 05:43.33 | peterS | twinsen: any http server is fine for strictly file transfers. the overhead of running a web server isn't really all that high, even apache |
| 05:43.52 | secher | netstat? or something similar? |
| 05:43.52 | peterS | secher: apt-cache search 'fast apt mirror' |
| 05:44.01 | peterS | secher: I mean apt-cache search fast apt mirror |
| 05:44.04 | nekostar | had it at 1280x1024 + 1280x1024 in xorg on ubuntu but its not letting me in debian atm.. but hey figuring out why is half the fun! |
| 05:44.13 | nekostar | hehe |
| 05:44.30 | nekostar | and my other comp has a minimal install ~500MB of debian and about 1.2GB of games |
| 05:44.33 | nekostar | like most of em XD |
| 05:44.43 | peterS | heh |
| 05:44.56 | secher | peterS: netselect.. bingo.. thanks.. never thought of doing multiword searches with search.. DUH. <grin> Thansk again. |
| 05:45.07 | twinsen | peterS: thanks... i understand much better now |
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| 05:45.14 | peterS | secher: yeah, a lot of people don't think of doing that. it's a great tool |
| 05:45.26 | nekostar | i cant seem to get the onboard to use gl right or something b/c i wanna use that 3ddesktop with a hotkey to impress the friends but hey everything else and i mean EVERYTHING else is pimp |
| 05:45.40 | peterS | twinsen: shrug - I could actually be wrong about how ftp servers tie up port 20, and it may in fact be possible to run multiple ftp servers and not have them stomp on each other. you can certainly try. |
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| 05:46.10 | peterS | twinsen: do you understand what I said about /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/services, then? |
| 05:46.16 | nekostar | o: and im loving icewm XD |
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| 05:52.29 | pookiebuns | twinsen! |
| 05:52.57 | pookiebuns | twinsen, did you figure out how to specify a port? |
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| 05:53.49 | nekostar | any recommends on a light filemanager? |
| 05:54.01 | pookiebuns | i just read about one |
| 05:54.13 | pookiebuns | let me see if i can find it again |
| 05:55.46 | pookiebuns | i think its called type manager |
| 05:55.55 | pookiebuns | nekostar, type manager |
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| 05:56.12 | pookiebuns | nekostar, i've never used it, but i'm gonna check it out too |
| 05:58.10 | poloktimu | isn't there a graphical version of mc? |
| 05:58.43 | peterS | there was, it's been kind of subsumed into gnome |
| 05:58.58 | amphi | poloktimu: emelfm is somewhat like mc |
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| 06:00.17 | stew | gentoo is kinda like a graphical mc |
| 06:00.40 | Brian_L | it has a nice shell window too |
| 06:00.49 | peterS | M.C. Graphical is in the house |
| 06:02.02 | pookiebuns | is there a way to force the system to display motd on all accounts, at will? |
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| 06:02.59 | peterS | pookiebuns: you could put instructions to that effect in /etc/bash.profile or similar |
| 06:03.28 | pookiebuns | okay |
| 06:03.29 | peterS | pookiebuns: normally you want the shell to honor ~/.hushlogin, but maybe you have reasons not to |
| 06:03.53 | peterS | (the existence of a ~/.hushlogin is a common convention for expressing the desire not to see any login messages at all) |
| 06:04.53 | pookiebuns | ok better yet, is there a program built into linux that allows you to instant message another user on the system? |
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| 06:05.10 | Agrajag- | pookiebuns: talk |
| 06:05.15 | pookiebuns | sweet..thx |
| 06:05.27 | [timmeh] | hi, can anyone please tell me how i can view logs of system users? |
| 06:05.50 | poloktimu | it's something like wall, isn't it? |
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| 06:07.42 | stew | [timmeh]: be more specific |
| 06:08.24 | pookiebuns | mike |
| 06:08.32 | [timmeh] | for example if i wanted to view a log of root, and all the commands typed in by that account and ip's used to log on? |
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| 06:09.02 | lovethepirk | hello i am an extreme newbie |
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| 06:09.21 | tcsetattr | newbie hanging from a bungee cord? |
| 06:09.38 | lovethepirk | i am tutorialing a linux manual and want to untar a download....firefox |
| 06:09.47 | repp_ | [timmeh]: that power is reserved for people that know how to do it, sorry. |
| 06:10.04 | stew | [timmeh]: "last" will show you logins. if you want to see commands they typed you would have to look at their .bash_history, but it wouldn't tell when what commands were executed or anything |
| 06:10.05 | lovethepirk | is this the directory i send the downloa/usr/local/src/d to.... |
| 06:10.26 | bob2 | lovethepirk: don't bother |
| 06:10.27 | lovethepirk | -----/usr/local/src/ |
| 06:10.31 | bob2 | lovethepirk: firefox is in Debian already |
| 06:10.49 | lovethepirk | i dont think i have it |
| 06:10.54 | bob2 | lovethepirk: then install it |
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| 06:11.17 | lovethepirk | here..../usr/local/src/ |
| 06:11.22 | repp_ | lovethepirk: apt-get install firefox |
| 06:11.23 | bob2 | lovethepirk: no, ignore that |
| 06:11.24 | [timmeh] | that power is reserved for people that know how to do it, sorry. what do you mean by that? |
| 06:11.36 | bob2 | lovethepirk: run what repp_ suggested |
| 06:11.59 | lovethepirk | yea i kinda wanted to learn how to un zip something and compile it |
| 06:12.20 | repp_ | lovethepirk: don't worry about it yet, that will come along eventually ;) |
| 06:12.23 | ArtVandalae | When someone fails to log into SSH (wrong username or password) is that logged in /var/log/auth? |
| 06:12.24 | bob2 | it's mostlu unncessessary |
| 06:12.30 | lovethepirk | okay |
| 06:12.31 | tcsetattr | start with something smaller than firefox. MUCH smaller. |
| 06:12.32 | bob2 | lovethepirk: there's lots more useful things to learn before doing that |
| 06:12.40 | bob2 | lovethepirk: also, compiling firefox will take a very long time |
| 06:12.41 | lovethepirk | LOL okay |
| 06:12.57 | lovethepirk | i dont know where to begin learning |
| 06:13.07 | lovethepirk | i have read so much |
| 06:13.18 | repp_ | lovethepirk: it helps if you have a goal in mind... |
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| 06:13.56 | stdoubt | hi all -hope someone can help -I'm getting "Superblock cannot be read. If this is actually an ext2 filesystem etc........" at bootup! |
| 06:14.20 | stdoubt | it's sid on hda3 and i'm now on kubuntu on hda4 |
| 06:14.46 | stdoubt | i have run fsck -cv /dev/hda3 and it reported 0 bad blocks what could this be?!? |
| 06:14.49 | lovethepirk | do i need to manually mount and unmount my cd drive? |
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| 06:15.32 | repp_ | making a cd work is a good goal :) |
| 06:15.46 | lovethepirk | ty |
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| 06:15.53 | lovethepirk | i will try that |
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| 06:16.02 | lovethepirk | i think my cd works though without mounting |
| 06:16.16 | lovethepirk | i wish it didn't so i could learn |
| 06:16.24 | bob2 | depends |
| 06:16.29 | bob2 | if you use gnome or kde, it will |
| 06:16.31 | bob2 | otherwise, not |
| 06:16.33 | repp_ | learn to fix things when they break. |
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| 06:16.57 | lovethepirk | how do i kill kde to learn to mount? |
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| 06:17.17 | bob2 | don't login to kde |
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| 06:17.37 | stdoubt | lovethepirk: just go Ctrl+Alt+F2 BAM - no ked ;] |
| 06:17.47 | stdoubt | kde* |
| 06:18.00 | lovethepirk | then how do you start kde again |
| 06:18.04 | repp_ | ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 06:18.06 | lovethepirk | ty all btw |
| 06:18.39 | stdoubt | yw and welcome to the wonderful world of Debian ! |
| 06:18.48 | bob2 | ctrl-alt-f1, login to the terminal |
| 06:18.55 | lovethepirk | okay thanks i going to learn tonight.....:) |
| 06:19.16 | lovethepirk | i chose debian b/c i heard it was staying true to the gnu ideals |
| 06:19.30 | lovethepirk | is that accurate? |
| 06:19.35 | stdoubt | they try ;] |
| 06:19.42 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:19.45 | bob2 | depends who you ask |
| 06:19.47 | stdoubt | and do better than most distros |
| 06:19.49 | bob2 | gnu disagrees |
| 06:20.13 | repp_ | lovethepirk: debian is pretty close to the gnu ideal while still being practical |
| 06:20.23 | lovethepirk | cool |
| 06:20.26 | Brian_L | i sue slackware and debain because there both pure |
| 06:20.27 | kadigibox | Anyone know about the Sony Viao U50? They made considerations for Winblows. A nice Ctrl-Alt-Del button. |
| 06:20.33 | Brian_L | use* |
| 06:21.02 | Brian_L | hahahaha |
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| 06:21.19 | lovethepirk | Brian_L: i thought you were legit there :) |
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| 06:21.34 | kadigibox | I use Gentoo, FreeBSD, and Debian for my computers |
| 06:21.34 | stdoubt | anyone have any ideas on what to do for a partition that throws "superblock can't be read"? (fsck says there's 0 bad blocks...) |
| 06:21.55 | lovethepirk | Peace--- |
| 06:21.57 | Brian_L | lovethepirk: legit? |
| 06:22.08 | lovethepirk | i meant i thought you sueing someone |
| 06:22.12 | lovethepirk | use |
| 06:22.18 | bob2 | stdoubt: is it actually a ext3 filesystem? |
| 06:22.23 | user12 | any ideas if I get static with a CM8738 chipset using the stock sarge 2.6 kernel - cm 8738 soundcard. Have tried rerunning alsaconf and it just finds the card and says working fine. |
| 06:22.24 | stdoubt | it's etx2 |
| 06:22.26 | stdoubt | ext2 |
| 06:22.44 | Brian_L | heh: how can you sue debain/ |
| 06:22.46 | bob2 | stdoubt: really? |
| 06:22.46 | Brian_L | lol |
| 06:23.05 | bob2 | stdoubt: if so, it's corrupt, it seems |
| 06:23.07 | stdoubt | bob2: it is ext2 ever since I removed the journal ages ago ;] |
| 06:23.13 | repp_ | stdoubt: did anything change before this happened? install new programs, etc? resize partitions? |
| 06:23.33 | stdoubt | bob2: fsck -cv /dev/hda3 says 0 bad blocks though :\ |
| 06:23.56 | bob2 | I have no idea what that means |
| 06:23.59 | bob2 | or what a "bad block" is in the context of a filesystem |
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| 06:24.07 | bob2 | what does 'mount' say about it? |
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| 06:24.28 | stdoubt | bob2: it mounts fine and all data looks intact |
| 06:24.34 | tcsetattr | in the context of fsck -c, a "bad block" is one that gets EIO when attempting to read() from the device. |
| 06:24.34 | stdoubt | as far as files etc |
| 06:24.57 | bob2 | stdoubt: so what was complaining |
| 06:25.00 | bob2 | tcsetattr: ah, ok |
| 06:25.13 | stdoubt | bob2: i had installed 2 kernels custom compiled but have since reset GRUB to boot the old one.....same symptoms |
| 06:25.46 | stdoubt | bob2: on bootup it says "superblock can't be read etc....repair manually" |
| 06:25.47 | bob2 | which is great, but what is giving you that error? |
| 06:26.04 | bob2 | I used to know how to write latex, I'm sure |
| 06:26.10 | tcsetattr | I wonder if you can specify an alternate superblock for the root fs on the kernel command line |
| 06:26.41 | stdoubt | I doubt it's a corrupt superblock since from another OS fsck reports 0 bad blocks |
| 06:26.54 | bob2 | that's unrelated |
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| 06:27.04 | stdoubt | hmm |
| 06:27.08 | bob2 | tcsetattr said "bad block" = gets EIO reading that block |
| 06:27.19 | bob2 | if the block is corrupt, but readable, it won't be considered bad |
| 06:27.20 | tcsetattr | but you are talking about the root fs, right? not a separate /usr or /boot |
| 06:27.30 | bob2 | e.g. unclean shutdown could produce this |
| 06:27.46 | stdoubt | tcsetattr: it's / |
| 06:27.50 | Brian_L | @ |
| 06:28.07 | stdoubt | whats EIO? |
| 06:28.10 | repp_ | what if the block is readable, but containing unexpected data? |
| 06:28.37 | bob2 | EIO = the physical read failed and the kernel noticed it and told the userspace app about it |
| 06:28.37 | tcsetattr | EIO is the error code meaning "I/O error" - very general, it can mean a lot of things, but most commonly it refers to a physical problem with a disk |
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| 06:29.36 | stdoubt | dang.... any advice on how to get it booting again? and what do i use to specify an alternate superblock? |
| 06:29.51 | tcsetattr | (or a background process attempted to read from a tty and ignored SIGTTIN - which I wouldn't bring up but with this nick I feel obligated) |
| 06:30.06 | man_in_shack | what filesystem is reccommended? |
| 06:30.10 | stdoubt | heh |
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| 06:30.20 | tcsetattr | I can't figure out why the kernel would fail to mount the root fs but you can mount it later |
| 06:31.05 | stdoubt | tcsetattr: yes it mounts fine under a different install on same disk |
| 06:31.05 | deadcat | ok. i am on 2.6.14.2 now (=. got some neat things |
| 06:31.08 | tcsetattr | you need to get it to explain what's wrong with the superblock |
| 06:31.21 | stdoubt | man_in_shack: ext3 is the mainstay at this time |
| 06:31.26 | repp_ | remount r/o, then fsck? |
| 06:31.31 | tcsetattr | maybe it's that specific kernel you're tying to boot, which is messed up |
| 06:31.50 | man_in_shack | stdoubt, what about reiser? |
| 06:32.02 | stdoubt | repp_ upon boot it is mounted r/o already- it gives the option to hit Ctrl+D to reboot..... there are no other ttys |
| 06:32.13 | repp_ | stdoubt: ah, ok |
| 06:32.59 | stdoubt | man_in_shack: reiser is more cutting edge but easier to bork |
| 06:33.08 | man_in_shack | ok] |
| 06:33.34 | repp_ | stdoubt: I'd say if fsck can't fix it, time to install on a new drive |
| 06:33.41 | bob2 | eh |
| 06:33.42 | stdoubt | :-( |
| 06:33.47 | bob2 | you can copy the unfucked superblock in |
| 06:33.57 | bob2 | it just means some dd love |
| 06:34.05 | bob2 | maybe tune2fs or something has an option for it already |
| 06:34.17 | repp_ | i'm getting the shivers just thinking about it |
| 06:34.18 | man_in_shack | dd pwnz j00 |
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| 06:34.42 | stdoubt | bob2: can you elaborate? ;] |
| 06:34.50 | bob2 | I don't know what the offsets would be |
| 06:34.54 | bob2 | and I'm not game to guess |
| 06:35.02 | repp_ | stdoubt: you got nothing really important on this drive right? |
| 06:35.30 | stdoubt | repp_ the data all appears OK, and I have backups... but *sniff* |
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| 06:35.49 | bob2 | I think you're being unnecessarily pessimistic, repp_ |
| 06:35.57 | bob2 | tho I guess if the superblock is fucked, other stuff probably is, too |
| 06:36.07 | stdoubt | is there no way to simply assign a backup superblock to be the "new" one?? |
| 06:36.16 | repp_ | well as long as you can part with the data, fly at it :) |
| 06:36.32 | bob2 | fucking redhat and their fucking ssl mail srchives |
| 06:36.44 | jm_ | you don't need to copy it by hand, fsck and be told to use alternative superblock |
| 06:36.52 | jm_ | and=can |
| 06:36.54 | bob2 | https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2005-October/msg00007.html |
| 06:36.54 | stdoubt | well, my data is safe but there's alOt of stuff outside of /home that i'd loose.....installed progs and such |
| 06:37.20 | bob2 | ah, fsck -b |
| 06:37.27 | repp_ | redhat should at least install a cert signed by a recognized CA |
| 06:37.59 | stdoubt | so fsck can actually restore your superblock from a backup?! |
| 06:38.24 | repp_ | oh yeah, don't give up on fsck! |
| 06:38.28 | stdoubt | ....i hadn't read that one. |
| 06:38.33 | bob2 | man fsck.ext3 explains it |
| 06:39.08 | stdoubt | ok cool...and yikes....and thanks |
| 06:39.25 | stdoubt | bbl unless i get depressed ;] |
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| 06:39.42 | streuner | damn, firecrap 'eats' my whole RAM |
| 06:39.59 | Coweater | dillo! |
| 06:40.05 | amphi | w3m! |
| 06:40.11 | bob2 | all browser suck |
| 06:40.13 | bob2 | a lot |
| 06:40.14 | bob2 | afaict |
| 06:40.15 | streuner | oh no :-) |
| 06:40.21 | Coweater | yes they do |
| 06:40.33 | bob2 | someone needs to split out libgecko and write a toolkit in asm or something |
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| 06:40.47 | streuner | galeon wasn't bad 1 year ago, but it breaks in unstable... |
| 06:40.58 | SimonRaven | runs ok here |
| 06:41.00 | jm_ | streuner: its development stalled too |
| 06:41.07 | bob2 | it's development has ended |
| 06:42.13 | streuner | SimonRaven: should give it a try, because my experience about were always ok |
| 06:42.34 | SimonRaven | IME, it's the fastest of the gecko browsers |
| 06:43.19 | jm_ | yeah, I would still use it if it werent for assholes at work who use expired certificate on one of the servers and I just can't tell Galeon to ignore it like I can with Mozilla or Firefox |
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| 06:44.37 | SimonRaven | and they're not updating the cert? wth |
| 06:44.38 | jair | guys I have a question about the mozilla thunderbird email client but I wonder if is a channel where people or the community talk about it? |
| 06:45.03 | streuner | jair: mozilla.org/support |
| 06:45.20 | jair | streuner, that is the channel? |
| 06:45.25 | jair | or is a web site>? |
| 06:45.33 | jair | web site I think |
| 06:45.33 | peterS | mozilla have their own IRC server. I think that web site talks about it.\ |
| 06:45.40 | raafat | hello every one i am anew on debian and want to make dns by using bind9 which fills must configure |
| 06:45.40 | streuner | jair: check out and see |
| 06:45.40 | jair | cool |
| 06:45.46 | jair | good thank you |
| 06:45.52 | bob2 | raafat: have you ever used bind9 before? |
| 06:46.09 | raafat | no i am traying |
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| 06:46.25 | SimonRaven | read a lot about dns first |
| 06:46.32 | jair | guys bind9 is a dns server right? |
| 06:46.36 | SimonRaven | like the rfcs |
| 06:46.37 | bob2 | jair: yes |
| 06:46.45 | raafat | yes |
| 06:46.48 | SimonRaven | trust me, it'll help |
| 06:46.49 | bob2 | raafat: running a dns server is not something you should be doing unless you know what you're doing |
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| 06:46.54 | jm_ | maybe Kazehakase browser will be useful some day |
| 06:46.54 | bob2 | raafat: your isp can't do it for you? |
| 06:47.01 | jair | bob2, perfect |
| 06:47.21 | SimonRaven | yeh, bob2's right, make sure you actually need it first ;) |
| 06:47.41 | raafat | not bob3? |
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| 06:47.46 | streuner | jm_: they donate 250.000 bucks in order to make 1.0 work... (firecrap) |
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| 06:48.17 | jm_ | streuner: I am using Firefox exclusively for a year now, it's somewhat OK |
| 06:48.37 | streuner | jm_: yes, mostly |
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| 06:48.56 | bob2 | I dispute the need for a web browser to consume 200MB of virtual address space |
| 06:49.10 | nse | Hello everybody! My system in the boot process is complaining thatabout some thing related about fsck, mounted deviced anb superblocks. It's saying that a ext2 filesystem is nout found in the superbloc, and tell me to run e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2 - after running it gaves me the same thing, to run the same thing. Running fsck /dev/hda2 says that it's ok, e2fsck /dev/hda2 gave me the same output of e2fsck without the -b option. What I need to do to go round this? |
| 06:49.18 | SimonRaven | yeh, really. FF is hoggier than galeon... |
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| 06:49.38 | bob2 | nse: are you using sid? |
| 06:49.53 | bob2 | has there been anything about the kernel/e2fsck being broken? |
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| 06:50.02 | SimonRaven | and why is aptitude locking up... |
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| 06:50.14 | jm_ | dunno, I've had Galeon use equally as much after a few weeks, or links -g for that matter |
| 06:50.30 | nse | bob2: No, I recently upgraded a system from something that I don't know what to etch. But possible there were some unstable urls in the old sources.list, why? |
| 06:50.45 | SimonRaven | i do 'f10; c' to run apt-get clean and it stalls out |
| 06:50.55 | bob2 | nse: someone had a similar problem earlier, just wondering if something was broken in sid to cause it |
| 06:51.31 | tcsetattr | that's spooky, 2 people with bad superblocks that aren't really bad |
| 06:51.31 | SimonRaven | the new menu pull-down command and the new one are conflicting i think (old habits die hard ;) |
| 06:51.38 | nse | bob2: The system is not initializing. What can I do? |
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| 06:52.00 | bob2 | who knows |
| 06:52.10 | bob2 | maybe the disk is failing; dmesg when hitting it from a livecd will shwo you |
| 06:52.36 | nse | I can't run it from the disk? |
| 06:52.43 | bob2 | can you boot the disk? |
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| 06:54.16 | nse | I don't know, exactly. It mounts the disk read-only, but gives some hint on how to mount it read-and-write |
| 06:54.31 | jm_ | bah liferea's show pop-up window when RSS feed updates option is not working, and I haven't found any other reader that can do that (haven't checked the new ones in sid), and most of them require GNOME or KDE crap |
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| 06:54.45 | nse | and then says to correct mannualy the problem and reboot the sysrem |
| 06:54.55 | xuniluser | what program is used to configure a router (console , terminal ) hyperterminal like program for linux |
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| 06:55.12 | tcsetattr | xuniluser: minicom |
| 06:55.14 | bob2 | nse: you used fsck -b? |
| 06:55.15 | repp_ | xuniluser: minicom |
| 06:56.11 | xuniluser | ok... thanks |
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| 06:57.26 | nse | bob2: maybe, what does it do? something related to superblocks |
| 06:57.40 | sh | my console(keyboard+mouse) is locked! remote ssh is still available. how can i check this error? |
| 06:57.50 | Brian_L | does the print server option in tasksel install alot of X related packages? |
| 06:58.17 | Brian_L | im trying to build a headless print server |
| 06:58.29 | Brian_L | with a 500 meg hd |
| 06:58.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: what neat things did you get? |
| 06:58.46 | bob2 | nse: erm, that seems like a yes/no question... |
| 06:58.54 | bob2 | sh: can you kill X? |
| 06:59.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you going to the frys sale? |
| 06:59.31 | sh | bob2: kdm is not running. |
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| 06:59.40 | tcsetattr | console "locked"... the screen is blank? there's a screensaver with password? someone using vlock? X display up but keyboard non-responsive? is the monitor plugged in? |
| 07:00.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: day after thanksgiving... it's going to be nuts.. be there at like 5am... there will be some amazing deals... I heard 200gig HD for 30 or 40$... if that's the case going to buy 3 and setup a raid system. |
| 07:00.12 | jair | guys I have a litle situation on my computer lab, I have fiftheen computers all dual boot win xp pro and debian sarge, but when the computer is running sarge, and the instructor want to turn it off he need the root password. |
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| 07:00.24 | sh | the login prompt has displayed. even i entered the recovery mode, i cannot input password. |
| 07:00.25 | nse | bob2: I can't find the -b option at the fsck manual. If you tell me what does it do, I can probably see if I used it or not... |
| 07:00.33 | TwistedEmotions | !seen deadcat |
| 07:00.33 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (36m 26s). Has said a total of 27857 messages. Is idling for 29m 28s |
| 07:00.39 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 07:01.03 | bob2 | nse: nevermind then (man fsck.ext3) |
| 07:01.47 | sh | bob2: only sshd is running. no xserver |
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| 07:02.29 | sh | bob2: i tried different kernels and downloaded packages to testing from sid. no effect. |
| 07:02.37 | sh | downgraded |
| 07:02.40 | Xcerca | hey |
| 07:02.43 | nse | bob2: Yes, that's the same of e2fsck. I used it as recommended by the msg. I was e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2 |
| 07:03.16 | Xcerca | for extra storage space is Ext3 the best format to go ? |
| 07:03.32 | bob2 | ext3 is probably the most reliable fs in linux |
| 07:03.57 | sh | while in XP on the same machine, keyboard and mouse are OK. |
| 07:04.08 | Xcerca | thats cool |
| 07:04.24 | sh | something wrong after a power down. |
| 07:05.35 | jair | it is any other way to turn off debian without enter the root password either places in the terminal as regular user, and as root. |
| 07:05.46 | jair | no as root sorry |
| 07:05.47 | bob2 | sure there is |
| 07:05.50 | bob2 | use sudo |
| 07:05.55 | bob2 | or man shutdown |
| 07:05.57 | jm_ | shutdown can be used by normal users |
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| 07:06.07 | jair | bob2, but as regular user? |
| 07:06.19 | jair | bob2, sudo ohh ok |
| 07:06.20 | bob2 | jair: indeex |
| 07:06.24 | jm_ | or configure APM/ACPI + the relevant daemons and just press the power button |
| 07:06.25 | sh | jair, sudo can do. |
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| 07:06.39 | jair | bob2, sudo already exist or I have to create it? |
| 07:06.43 | bob2 | any question of the form "how do I let normal users do $priveleged_operation" is answered by sudo |
| 07:07.08 | sh | jair, please man visudo |
| 07:07.36 | jair | sh cool I will check that then |
| 07:07.45 | jair | bob2, thank you again |
| 07:08.09 | TwistedEmotions | already exist.. or create it..? |
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| 07:08.26 | Xcerca | my terminal keeps saying that i have the wrong pw for su , i put in the right one, is there a su enable or somthing you have to do first ? |
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| 07:08.54 | sh | anyone knows the reason why my console is locked just during the boot time? |
| 07:08.57 | bob2 | Xcerca: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1' print out? |
| 07:09.21 | bob2 | finding the right manpage can be hard |
| 07:09.29 | bob2 | and they usually require a lot of context to understand |
| 07:09.31 | TwistedEmotions | sh: what do you mean... locked? what are you trying to do during bootup..? |
| 07:09.36 | SimonRaven | man $command often works |
| 07:10.16 | TwistedEmotions | if your too lazy for man.. then just -h option.. and hope for best. |
| 07:10.19 | Lorvija | hey, anyway to see why my server rebooted/crashed suddenly and as it did that why the heck did sshd's hashes change? |
| 07:10.34 | sh | TwistedEmotions, keyboard didn't response as the linux kernel boots. |
| 07:10.56 | SimonRaven | some do, often as an intro you can read the first couple of paragraphs. i agree though that many of them need prior knowledge :| |
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| 07:11.07 | sh | the only way i can access it, is via ssh :( |
| 07:11.24 | Xcerca | bob2 is that a trick or somthing... i'm pretty new but that doesnt look like a good command ? |
| 07:11.26 | SimonRaven | --help is often a good start for total newbie |
| 07:11.37 | TwistedEmotions | sh: Err... like doing what? I mean... during boot there isnt much you can do... but assuming you are talking about basic commands... is it a usb keyboard or something? |
| 07:11.55 | bob2 | Xcerca: that command will not harm your machine in any way |
| 07:12.05 | SimonRaven | s/for$/ a/ |
| 07:12.07 | sh | ps/2 keyboard. it is OK on XP but 'disppeared' in debian. |
| 07:12.11 | tcsetattr | maybe the keyboard driver is in a module that isn't being loaded. |
| 07:12.16 | TwistedEmotions | only thing I ever do it ctrl-c.. just cause I am too lazy to wait sometimes.. |
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| 07:12.49 | Xcerca | bob2: no packages found matching lib ... |
| 07:13.07 | Xcerca | ... |
| 07:13.09 | sh | tcsetattr, the keyboard driver... how to know which is the right module. |
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| 07:13.18 | Xcerca | sry, i types it in wrong |
| 07:13.30 | bob2 | Xcerca: yes, you did |
| 07:13.54 | TwistedEmotions | or at least we HOPE you typed it wrong.. |
| 07:14.21 | Xcerca | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 07:14.22 | Xcerca | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 07:14.22 | Xcerca | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 07:14.22 | Xcerca | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 07:14.22 | Xcerca | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 07:14.26 | TwistedEmotions | if there are no lib packages on your comp.. you MIGHT be in trouble. |
| 07:14.30 | TwistedEmotions | idiot. |
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| 07:14.50 | TwistedEmotions | !tell Xcerca about paste |
| 07:14.57 | bob2 | Xcerca: you still didn't run what I told you to |
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| 07:15.28 | TwistedEmotions | !kill deadcat |
| 07:15.31 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 07:15.36 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 07:15.37 | TwistedEmotions | Weeeee |
| 07:15.43 | TwistedEmotions | Hows the new kernel? |
| 07:15.46 | deadcat | fresh cooked kernel |
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| 07:16.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Weee ;) me too. |
| 07:16.09 | TwistedEmotions | !tell Xcerca about paste |
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| 07:16.20 | bob2 | there's no 'paste' |
| 07:16.23 | bob2 | it's a single line |
| 07:16.26 | deadcat | HAHAH |
| 07:16.32 | bob2 | Xcerca: can you please run the command I told you to run? |
| 07:16.38 | Xcerca | i did |
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| 07:16.45 | bob2 | no, you didn't |
| 07:16.52 | bob2 | you ran another, similar, command |
| 07:16.55 | Doctor | hmm does debian just not have mod proxy? |
| 07:16.56 | bob2 | but not the one I asked for |
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| 07:16.59 | TwistedEmotions | heh? theres a paste command... |
| 07:17.01 | bob2 | Doctor: sure it does |
| 07:17.13 | bob2 | !+find mod_proxy.so |
| 07:17.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:17.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: yes, usually use with the cut commadn (= |
| 07:17.28 | TwistedEmotions | Xcerca: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 07:17.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_proxy.so' (1): (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy.so) in net/apache2-common. |
| 07:17.39 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 07:17.52 | TwistedEmotions | see.. even the BOT can do it. |
| 07:18.22 | TwistedEmotions | dpkg -l tail | tail -n2 |
| 07:18.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching tail |
| 07:18.33 | TwistedEmotions | whoops.. screwed that up. |
| 07:18.33 | Xcerca | tail: l: invalid number of lines |
| 07:18.43 | Xcerca | bob2 : tail: l: invalid number of lines |
| 07:18.49 | bob2 | Xcerca: no, you again didn't run it |
| 07:18.52 | bob2 | Xcerca: one != el |
| 07:19.08 | TwistedEmotions | Xcerca: dude... dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 <--- -n(ONE) |
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| 07:19.25 | TwistedEmotions | Xcerca: it ends with a 1... not a l |
| 07:19.35 | Xcerca | alright thanks |
| 07:19.49 | Xcerca | ii libc6 2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 07:19.54 | TwistedEmotions | success. |
| 07:19.58 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:20.00 | bob2 | checkmate |
| 07:20.05 | TwistedEmotions | ubuntu.. ;P |
| 07:20.06 | streuner | hm :-) |
| 07:20.07 | bob2 | Xcerca: #ubuntu, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo |
| 07:20.08 | sh | aha! dmesg|grep input shows nothing :( |
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| 07:20.18 | Xcerca | yea, i know |
| 07:20.24 | TwistedEmotions | asshole.. all that time and the basterd runs ubuntu. |
| 07:20.26 | bob2 | please don't waste our time in future |
| 07:20.32 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: hence why I asked for the output |
| 07:20.34 | Xcerca | lol |
| 07:20.40 | Xcerca | waste YOUR time.... |
| 07:20.42 | sh | it is so strange why it is not loaded. |
| 07:20.44 | bob2 | Xcerca: yes |
| 07:20.47 | bob2 | Xcerca: you're wasting our time |
| 07:20.52 | bob2 | Xcerca: if you want help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 07:21.00 | bob2 | Xcerca: your question ahs different answers on Debian and Ubuntu, anyway |
| 07:21.07 | TwistedEmotions | Xcerca: dude... you couldnt type a basic command.. and we gave it to you like 9 times. |
| 07:21.12 | jm_ | sh: /proc/bus/input/devices for 2.6 kernels |
| 07:21.19 | jm_ | it's in 2.6 input FAQ |
| 07:21.28 | TwistedEmotions | which is actually.. probably why ubuntu was made.. |
| 07:21.36 | Xcerca | yea.... i never said i was good, dude |
| 07:21.40 | bob2 | blahblahubuntubashingblahblah |
| 07:21.46 | Xcerca | i'm trying to learn |
| 07:21.48 | bob2 | Xcerca: anyway, please don't do something so silly again |
| 07:21.51 | bob2 | Xcerca: #ubuntu |
| 07:21.52 | sh | really! i haven't met this problem before. actually i have tried some 2.6 kernels. |
| 07:21.57 | lotusleaf | I like how the topic includes a "Please note:" message |
| 07:22.21 | Xcerca | yea... thats cool, there was only like 9 people there so i left |
| 07:22.28 | bob2 | which is false |
| 07:22.36 | bob2 | there's something like 600 people in #ubuntu |
| 07:22.38 | streuner | TwistedEmotins: check out what Shuttleworth said about (ubuntu) - that wasn't the reason why :-) |
| 07:22.54 | TwistedEmotions | 2.6 doesnt support keyboard.. you guys didnt hear? |
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| 07:23.02 | deadcat | the zd1211 driver works on ubuntu 5.10 live cd. (= about time |
| 07:23.09 | deadcat | heheh |
| 07:23.15 | TwistedEmotions | who is Shuttleworth? |
| 07:23.30 | Xcerca | sry bro, 14 != 600 |
| 07:23.34 | jm_ | heh one of the fellers on Kernel planet had a rant about "it works in Ubuntu" :) |
| 07:23.34 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: www.markshuttleworth.com, www.ubuntu.com |
| 07:23.36 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: wikipedia.org has an entry |
| 07:23.50 | bob2 | 18:23:41 -!-| Irssi: #ubuntu: Total of 563 nicks 2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 561 normal |
| 07:23.54 | bob2 | 18:23:41 ---| Channel: Channel #ubuntu created Thu Jun 17 09:56:16 2004 |
| 07:24.07 | Xcerca | lol |
| 07:24.09 | bob2 | Xcerca: anyway, please just learn from what we've said and make use of #ubuntu in future |
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| 07:24.29 | bob2 | Xcerca: also, the ubuntu faq, the ubuntu guide, and the ubuntu installer all explain your solution |
| 07:24.34 | TwistedEmotions | dammit... my internet doesnt work everytime I got azureus open ;P |
| 07:24.39 | bob2 | Xcerca: the installer even asked you to confirm that you'd read the entry about it |
| 07:24.55 | TwistedEmotions | and I dont mean like laggy.. I mean like literally 5 minute wait then timeout |
| 07:25.07 | TwistedEmotions | but irc works ;) |
| 07:25.14 | jair | I will go sleep guys, tomorrow I will ask you for some advices etc... Thank you |
| 07:25.33 | Gumby | TwistedEmotions: its probably saturating your bandwidth |
| 07:25.37 | bob2 | jair: adios |
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| 07:25.58 | Xcerca | you guys are fucking gay.... pz |
| 07:26.09 | TwistedEmotions | Gumby: I've just never seen it this bad... it's a shared T-1 connection... soo laggy even AIM doesnt work 1/2 the time. |
| 07:26.09 | jair | bob2, hahaha take care ciao |
| 07:26.30 | TwistedEmotions | Wow.. you guyz are fucking gay.. lol.. rofl l8z |
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| 07:26.44 | TwistedEmotions | what a idiot. |
| 07:26.44 | Gumby | lol |
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| 07:26.53 | streuner | hehe, he prolly join #ubuntu now... ;-) |
| 07:26.57 | bob2 | nope |
| 07:26.58 | streuner | haha |
| 07:27.02 | streuner | heh |
| 07:27.06 | bob2 | abusing people who were polite and gave the correct answer seems suboptimal |
| 07:27.19 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Ohhhhh! you guys can ban from all of freenode? |
| 07:27.21 | sh | jm_: /proc/bus/input/devices is empty |
| 07:27.30 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: no |
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| 07:27.40 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: just #debian right? |
| 07:27.44 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:27.48 | jm_ | sh: is this a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:27.49 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: staff member (freenode) can |
| 07:28.00 | bob2 | (Well, and #ubuntu, perchance. freenode staff can ban from the network.) |
| 07:28.06 | sh | jm_: i've been using 2.6 kernel for a long time. |
| 07:28.21 | jm_ | sh: and you're sure your kernel has support for input devices? |
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| 07:28.52 | sh | jm_: i'm sure. because yesterday i worked on it. |
| 07:28.56 | streuner | bob2: that happen all the time, not the major... |
| 07:29.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: did the new kernel help you any? |
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| 07:29.16 | bob2 | streuner: ? |
| 07:29.20 | jm_ | sh: ohh how did you check if it's empty or not? |
| 07:29.24 | streuner | bob2: abusing people who gave correct answer |
| 07:29.30 | sh | cat it |
| 07:29.36 | bob2 | oh, indeed |
| 07:29.58 | jm_ | sh: well then something has happened to it, maybe check your logs - it should definitely list the devices in there, otherwise it will not work |
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| 07:30.43 | sh | jm_: thanks i will try. i just wonder why all older kernels fail... |
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| 07:30.55 | jm_ | sh: fail to detect it at boot? |
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| 07:31.09 | sh | yes, all failed suddenly |
| 07:31.29 | finding | test |
| 07:32.04 | sh | it is good in grub menu. |
| 07:32.38 | jm_ | odd, there's one option that can help with KVM-s, but that's just for mouse I believe (proto=bare) |
| 07:32.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. the tv driver seems better. i had to enable some HD stuff to get the bt878 |
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| 07:33.23 | TwistedEmotions | Okay... this seriously doesnt make sense. I am downloading at 120 k/sec... and even when I limit it to 40 I still cant browse the web... and I am watching NIC card traffic so I know for sure that the card isnt going over 40k/sec... so maybe my upload is being weird? I am seemingly maxed at 4k/sec... but.. on a shared T-1? |
| 07:33.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i just like .14 has more wireless drivers like hostap built-in, intel cards too. and fuse driver. heheh |
| 07:33.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: basterd... my card isnt HD ;P |
| 07:34.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yours is? |
| 07:34.20 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: mine either. |
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| 07:34.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: and HD still works on it? |
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| 07:34.50 | deadcat | but it loads the bt878 driver... i havent used the card for a while. since i have like 5 channels |
| 07:35.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ahh.. you mean it works.. |
| 07:35.06 | TwistedEmotions | okkk. |
| 07:35.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. no hd. just the driver bt878 under the hd section |
| 07:35.12 | bibe | deadcat , TwistedEmotions : I am even happier with 2.6.15-rc1, which has the latest drivers for ipw2200 :) |
| 07:35.38 | deadcat | bibe: cool. i dont have a ipw card (= prism and zd1211 mostly |
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| 07:36.09 | TwistedEmotions | neither do I... dont even know what it is.. |
| 07:36.25 | bibe | deadcat : you lucky, no proprietary firmware to use |
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| 07:36.51 | deadcat | ya |
| 07:36.51 | deadcat | hehe |
| 07:36.57 | TwistedEmotions | bibe: source is available for unstable. |
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| 07:37.10 | TwistedEmotions | ipw2200-source - Source for the ipw2200 driver |
| 07:37.19 | TwistedEmotions | assuming were talking about the same thing. |
| 07:37.56 | bob2 | 2.6.14 includes it now |
| 07:38.00 | bob2 | in-tree |
| 07:38.05 | bob2 | dunno if it comes with firmware, tho |
| 07:38.16 | amphi | bob2: it's an older version, 1.0.0 IIRC |
| 07:38.19 | deadcat | bob2: ya.. it will downlaod it i think |
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| 07:38.49 | amphi | bob2: current 'stable' is 1.0.8 |
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| 07:39.09 | TwistedEmotions | ahhh... for zd and madwifi I just build from source because I am very very smart... (had to have deadcat walk me through) |
| 07:39.14 | bob2 | ah, it does't include it |
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| 07:39.46 | bob2 | #define IPW2200_VERSION "git-1.0.8" |
| 07:39.53 | bob2 | in linus's git tree, anyway |
| 07:40.07 | amphi | bob2: oh, cool |
| 07:40.36 | bibe | bob2 : right. The included driver version (no proprietary firmware in the kernel, obviously) is 1.0.0 in 2.6.14 and 1.0.8 in 2.6.15-rc1 (and linus' tree) |
| 07:40.38 | bob2 | maybe I'm just too lazy to figure out this latex error |
| 07:40.44 | bob2 | bibe: ah, right |
| 07:40.59 | amphi | bibe: ah |
| 07:41.09 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: just put on tip and roll down to base.. it's easy. |
| 07:41.36 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: unless you are talking about pants... in which case I have no experience. |
| 07:42.13 | TwistedEmotions | nothing? ::chirp chirp:: bad joke? |
| 07:42.31 | deadcat | bibe: ipw2200 loads and works? what about the firmware files? |
| 07:42.47 | TwistedEmotions | cmon guys... latex error? |
| 07:42.56 | TwistedEmotions | !smite TwistedEmotions |
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| 07:43.10 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 07:43.47 | bibe | deadcat : well, until 2.6.15-rc1 I compiled the kernel disabling all ipw and ieee80211 related stuff, then I used ieee80211-source and ipw2200-source from sid and 2.4 firmware from ipw2200.sf.net |
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| 07:43.58 | deadcat | ah |
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| 07:44.38 | bibe | yesterday I compiled a 2.6.15-rc1 with both ieee80211 and ipw2200 enabled, and right now I am connected via wireless |
| 07:44.53 | bob2 | I configured my first kernel for about 2 years today |
| 07:44.59 | bob2 | man there's a lot more options |
| 07:45.17 | tcsetattr | once upon a time you could run "make config" in a reasonable amount of time :) |
| 07:45.31 | bob2 | heh |
| 07:45.44 | bob2 | I think 2.2.12 or so was my first. or 2.0.34. |
| 07:45.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i might stop using conky and all those system info stuff on my laptop. it flashes one a while. just gonna use it for the calendar... |
| 07:46.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: what? it flashes once a while? |
| 07:46.17 | GNUdist | Ah, 2.0.34! those were the days! |
| 07:46.23 | bibe | !coffee me |
| 07:46.31 | tchino | i have problems with kde and debian, i have two trashes on my desktop and can't delete them and my links on konqueror are not support the protocolls |
| 07:46.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. stupid conky developers |
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| 07:46.49 | bob2 | tchino: if no one here knows, try #debian-kde or the debian-kde list |
| 07:46.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ignore it? |
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| 07:47.13 | tchino | bob2: thanks |
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| 07:47.48 | TwistedEmotions | Do that many people use kde? |
| 07:47.50 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: kinna hard. because it flashes to all white for 1 sec |
| 07:47.53 | GNUdist | I only got rid of the two trash cans after an "apt-get install konqueror" |
| 07:48.02 | bob2 | a, checkmate, mr longtable. |
| 07:48.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ahh.. |
| 07:48.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if you log into my machine and ls /proc. you dont see much. (= |
| 07:48.43 | GNUdist | Oops, my bad, meant to say "...kde" |
| 07:49.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: faster ;) |
| 07:49.26 | ptm | surely the two trash cans are something in the user's /home ? |
| 07:49.43 | TwistedEmotions | funny.. I had reverse experience.. with apt-get remove kde.. I got rid of the trash.. hmm... |
| 07:49.50 | GNUdist | I could NOT find the reason for the dupe! |
| 07:50.25 | TwistedEmotions | there is a #kde too.. they're usefull too. |
| 07:50.29 | GNUdist | Fluxbox does everything I need, but, I love wallpaper! |
| 07:51.17 | TwistedEmotions | GNUdist: gsetroot? |
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| 07:51.28 | GNUdist | Have tons of kids visiting, and they NEED eye candy, like Tuxstep! |
| 07:52.12 | karsten | GNUdist: TuxPaint! |
| 07:52.28 | GNUdist | gsundite |
| 07:52.30 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Sweethaht! |
| 07:52.41 | Phated | DAHLING! |
| 07:52.49 | ptm | maybe somebody has painted a trashcan on the wallpaper? |
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| 07:53.01 | GNUdist | Naw, it is Tux footprint coming through the M$ win logo... |
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| 07:53.15 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Heyyyyy! Where have you been? |
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| 07:53.29 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Cheetin' on ya, toots. |
| 07:53.39 | GNUdist | now ptm. it is two trashcans, both can work! |
| 07:53.53 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: toots? you're funny man.. |
| 07:53.56 | Phated | karsten: Heh. |
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| 07:54.14 | GNUdist | I did the uninstall and then, the apt-get install kde... |
| 07:54.43 | sh | jm_: i just installed a 2.4 kernel, dmesg tells:keyboard: Too many NACKs -- noisy kbd cable? |
| 07:55.30 | GNUdist | Well, pushing 3 AM here, and wifey wants a cuddle... NNNN |
| 07:56.08 | karsten | sh: Google that error, I think I've seen it. |
| 07:56.19 | karsten | sh: ... but don't recall specifics. |
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| 07:57.02 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: how hard is the setup? |
| 07:57.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you get the $100 laptop yet? |
| 07:57.54 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Not particularly, but I'm polluted w/ Xen 3 configs, and we've managed to wipe the X2 user manual off our website. |
| 07:57.58 | ptm | just a thought on the trash issue: I have a file ~/Desktop/Trash/.directory ... if there are duplicated sections in here, perhaps you get two trash cans? |
| 07:58.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no.. ;P basterds.. |
| 07:58.08 | bob2 | karsten: any idea when xen will work with 2.6.14? |
| 07:58.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: got hosed? |
| 07:58.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: theyre crackheads... what can you expect ;) |
| 07:58.28 | karsten | bob2: NFC. There's been meetings to merge trees, ongoing. |
| 07:58.35 | karsten | bob2: .15 or .16 likely. |
| 07:58.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahahah |
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| 07:59.08 | karsten | deadcat: I've got a T-shirt for you. |
| 07:59.12 | bob2 | karsten: ah, eep |
| 07:59.24 | karsten | deadcat: ... |
| 07:59.26 | deadcat | karsten: i love you (= |
| 07:59.31 | deadcat | fit me right? |
| 08:00.14 | karsten | deadcat: ... it reads "I'm Microsoft's beatch" |
| 08:00.14 | deadcat | )= |
| 08:00.15 | TwistedEmotions | hahahah |
| 08:00.15 | karsten | deadcat: Extra-small, sunken chest ;-) |
| 08:00.15 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:00.15 | deadcat | hahahah |
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| 08:00.15 | deadcat | time to show off my side boobs (= |
| 08:00.16 | karsten | Heh. |
| 08:00.21 | Phated | ... where did you GET THOSE? And where are MINE? |
| 08:00.24 | Phated | EEP |
| 08:00.39 | deadcat | did you guys watch the side-boob hour? |
| 08:00.44 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 08:01.02 | deadcat | it was on PTV |
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| 08:01.25 | karsten | deadcat: What? She's got her own _network_ now? |
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| 08:01.48 | karsten | PTV: you're phated to watch it. |
| 08:01.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: do you have azureus installed? |
| 08:01.49 | deadcat | karsten: no. PeterTV (family guy). that was 2 weeks ago. hella funny. hahah |
| 08:02.04 | Phated | karsten: Dahling, but of COURSE. I could not refuse the cries of 'Webcam, webcam! PLEASE!' from my loyal viewers. |
| 08:02.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i use bittonado |
| 08:02.28 | karsten | Phated: It's the black-on-black-on-black that slays 'em. |
| 08:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ahh kk. |
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| 08:02.48 | Phated | karsten: What is this black-on-b-o-b you speak of? I am filled with colour! |
| 08:02.52 | Phated | ... fuck. |
| 08:02.59 | Phated | ... damnit. |
| 08:03.11 | karsten | Black. |
| 08:03.34 | Phated | I am already in black. On black. Augh. |
| 08:03.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i got hella comedy standups. defjam too. (= transfer to you next time. |
| 08:03.54 | karsten | Phated: I know, as I am watching PTV as we speak. Smile for the kids. |
| 08:03.57 | TwistedEmotions | ;) Weeeeee |
| 08:04.36 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.43 | deadcat | PTV = PornTV? |
| 08:04.43 | Phated | karsten: Kids? My show is family-unfriendly. |
| 08:04.47 | karsten | Advanced Topics: XXX More to add here, including config file format |
| 08:04.53 | Phated | It's PPTV - PhatedPronTV. |
| 08:04.55 | karsten | Phated: Yes. I'm trying to get rid of them. |
| 08:05.06 | Phated | PPTP, too. PhatedPronTelePhoto! |
| 08:05.08 | Phated | ;) |
| 08:05.10 | Beleys | Yop |
| 08:05.11 | Phated | karsten: Haha. |
| 08:05.36 | deadcat | Phated: still openbox? |
| 08:05.41 | Phated | deadcat: Hellyeah. |
| 08:05.46 | deadcat | hell ya (= |
| 08:05.57 | Phated | deadcat: urxvt now, tho. |
| 08:06.22 | Phated | Oy. |
| 08:06.41 | deadcat | Phated: i want to use urxvt because it has that cool fade color thing. not to mention smaller. but i hate the name. xterm is so easy to type (= |
| 08:06.46 | spo0nman | can anyone give me pointers on how to go about untarring large amonts of sata? |
| 08:06.48 | Phated | deadcat: ALIAS |
| 08:06.51 | spo0nman | s/sata/data/ |
| 08:06.54 | karsten | spo0nman: tar xzvf |
| 08:06.59 | deadcat | karsten: ob3 rocks you all night (= |
| 08:07.02 | Phated | deadcat: The fade thing is kickass. |
| 08:07.07 | karsten | spo0nman: Are you looking for something specific? |
| 08:07.21 | karsten | spo0nman: ... within the data, that is. |
| 08:07.35 | spo0nman | karsten: hmm let me explain. |
| 08:07.38 | karsten | deadcat: I've met my maker, and he's windowmaker. |
| 08:07.42 | karsten | spo0nman: No, is to much. |
| 08:07.44 | deadcat | Phated: taht is a really fucked up alias |
| 08:07.46 | karsten | spo0nman: Let me sum up. |
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| 08:08.12 | deadcat | karsten: wmaker themes suck. nextstep suck |
| 08:08.26 | Phated | deadcat: Why? echo alias xterm='urxvt' >> .bashrc ;) |
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| 08:08.50 | deadcat | karsten: although i like the alt+tab thing. but i ditched wmaker for years now |
| 08:09.09 | deadcat | Phated: xterm is on most linux box. urxvt is not |
| 08:09.17 | Phated | deadcat: Oh well. :) |
| 08:09.19 | karsten | deadcat: Greyblue theme, blue background. |
| 08:09.30 | deadcat | karsten: screenshot me. |
| 08:09.31 | karsten | spo0nman: You were saying? |
| 08:09.40 | spo0nman | I want to get through a lot of data, I first want to know ultimately be there, once i am done with untarring. there are multiple one 18GB gz files. |
| 08:09.50 | deadcat | karsten: i mean the window icons. they cant be changed. |
| 08:10.08 | karsten | deadcat: Actually, they can. I don't particularly care. |
| 08:10.09 | spo0nman | I first want to know how much data will ultimately be there, once i am done with untarring. |
| 08:10.15 | deadcat | karsten: oh. |
| 08:11.08 | karsten | spo0nman: Roughly as much as the uncompressed tarball. IIRC gzip and bunzip2 will both give you a compression ratio. |
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| 08:12.10 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 08:12.15 | karsten | deadcat: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/screen.png |
| 08:12.26 | MrEntropy | where is the information kept that sets $PATH when i log in? |
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| 08:13.03 | spo0nman | karsten: can you point me to a document that mentions it? im doing a search but cant find a compression ratio. |
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| 08:13.14 | karsten | MrEntropy: It's set by login. Check also ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, /etc/bashrc, /etc/profile, and /etc/environment |
| 08:13.29 | karsten | MrEntropy: ... which may or may not exist, but are relatively standard. |
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| 08:13.40 | karsten | spo0nman: Compression ratios vary by data type. |
| 08:13.41 | MrEntropy | karsten: sweet, thanks |
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| 08:14.12 | spo0nman | karsten: yes. I was hoping to find a chart with commom file types. |
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| 08:14.25 | deadcat | karsten: not bad |
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| 08:14.35 | karsten | spo0nman: Typical: text: 50%. data: 70-90%. sparse files: approaches 100%. random data: 0%. compressed data (including a lot of sound and image codecs): 0-10% |
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| 08:14.55 | karsten | spo0nman: That's based on my own experience. |
| 08:15.23 | karsten | spo0nman: Actual mileage will vary a lot. The compression ratio is really a measure of redundancy in the data being compressed. |
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| 08:15.32 | spo0nman | hmm |
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| 08:16.37 | spo0nman | karsten: hmm thanks. |
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| 08:16.52 | foo | What do you guys think of this uptime ? 00:16:46 up 15:16, 9 users, load average: 1.24, 0.73, 0.68 |
| 08:17.16 | nlight | 16 minutes?, foo |
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| 08:17.49 | karsten | !ops 00:17 [debian] -!- eUoeio [n=eaaauoty@81.215.220.168] |
| 08:17.51 | nlight | ah, |
| 08:17.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: 00:17 [debian] -!- eUoeio [n=eaaauoty@81.215.220.168] |
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| 08:17.54 | buns | when i run glxgears i notice it says "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 08:17.55 | karsten | !ops nick jumping |
| 08:17.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: nick jumping |
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| 08:18.13 | buns | how do i tell it to use dri? |
| 08:18.32 | nlight | buns, on what videocard? |
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| 08:18.40 | buns | ati radeon 9800 |
| 08:19.00 | karsten | buns: Include the dri module in your X config. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 08:19.11 | karsten | buns: ... if it works. May not. |
| 08:19.33 | nlight | Option "DRI" "1" |
| 08:19.39 | nlight | in your xorg/xfree config |
| 08:19.45 | nlight | or something like thtat |
| 08:19.46 | nlight | or something like that |
| 08:19.50 | buns | hrmm. |
| 08:20.00 | buns | ok... so look at my xorg.conf? |
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| 08:20.17 | karsten | buns: I think you're running XFree86, not x.org, based on earlier comments. |
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| 08:20.25 | buns | i'm running xorg |
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| 08:20.31 | buns | i just installed my system |
| 08:20.31 | karsten | buns: My error. |
| 08:20.35 | buns | its koo |
| 08:20.44 | akusarujin | buns? |
| 08:20.48 | buns | i'm just getting really frusterated |
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| 08:20.55 | buns | i can't get dri to work |
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| 08:21.03 | karsten | buns: Gamer? |
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| 08:21.10 | karsten | buns: dri isn't strictly necessary. |
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| 08:21.24 | buns | well yes, |
| 08:21.33 | buns | but I would like to know that it works correctly |
| 08:21.48 | buns | I can run games, but hardware acceleration doesn't work |
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| 08:22.38 | valdyn | buns: have you even installed fglrx? |
| 08:22.52 | buns | I assume it was part of my ati drivers |
| 08:23.08 | valdyn | buns: whats "your ati drivers" ? |
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| 08:23.31 | buns | the latest proprietary drivers available throug the ati website |
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| 08:23.46 | valdyn | buns: you loose, installing those doesnt work, just breaks a few things |
| 08:23.56 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 08:23.56 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 08:24.06 | karsten | !beer buns |
| 08:24.11 | karsten | !beer bob2 |
| 08:24.17 | buns | so what is my alternative? |
| 08:24.31 | valdyn | buns: what dpkg told you |
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| 08:24.46 | buns | beer? |
| 08:24.54 | karsten | buns: ... that's always an option. |
| 08:25.07 | tralala | indeed |
| 08:25.16 | buns | hah...i''ve already had a beer... plisner urquel |
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| 08:25.28 | buns | my favorite |
| 08:25.29 | valdyn | buns: and reinstall your xlibmesa-gl package i think |
| 08:25.50 | buns | well, the damage has already been done with the ati drivers... is there a way to undo it? |
| 08:26.13 | valdyn | buns: uninstall it |
| 08:26.31 | buns | not sure how, it was an sh file |
| 08:26.39 | buns | sorry for my noobness |
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| 08:27.20 | valdyn | buns: nvidia 'sh' installer has an uninstall feature, I dont know if atis does, try 'installer --help' |
| 08:27.20 | warreng | how do i install subversion-1.2.3? it's in the "testing" branch of debian according to packages.debian.org.... |
| 08:27.31 | valdyn | warreng: backport it |
| 08:27.42 | buns | k |
| 08:27.57 | valdyn | warreng: /msg dpkg simple sid backport, set etch instead of sid |
| 08:28.14 | bob2 | warreng: and you're using stable? |
| 08:28.17 | warreng | ya |
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| 08:30.05 | karsten | warreng: Well, I'd recommend considering testing/unstable as a mix, w/ pinning. |
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| 08:30.15 | bob2 | ugh |
| 08:30.20 | valdyn | hah |
| 08:30.24 | karsten | bob2: Why ugh? |
| 08:30.25 | warreng | i don't know what you mean by that |
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| 08:30.44 | valdyn | karsten: why'd you tell anyone not to use stable? |
| 08:30.44 | karsten | !pinnin |
| 08:30.46 | karsten | !pinning |
| 08:30.46 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 08:30.53 | bob2 | way mroe downloading |
| 08:30.55 | bob2 | way more fiddling |
| 08:31.00 | bob2 | way more annoying for us to fix later |
| 08:31.03 | buns | hey guys, the ati driver installer is a .run file |
| 08:31.10 | buns | and it gives me no option to uninstall |
| 08:31.11 | karsten | bob2: Not really WRT the first two, possibly some of the last. |
| 08:31.32 | karsten | buns: Congratulations for choosing to install closed, proprietary, crap, software. |
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| 08:31.58 | buns | karsten, well i wouldn't have, but I thought that was my only option |
| 08:32.00 | bibe | buns : ./ati....run --buildpkg Debian/sarge |
| 08:32.01 | karsten | buns: 'file *.run' and tell us what file thinks it is. A '.run' really doesn't mean much. |
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| 08:32.21 | karsten | bibe: Really? |
| 08:32.22 | sewi | hello, does etch differ much from sarge now? |
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| 08:32.48 | valdyn | sewi: yes |
| 08:32.58 | bibe | karsten : yes, it builds five .deb packages (only two needed for the driver to work, the others are for development) |
| 08:33.01 | man- | Hi, i've got a problem with libncurses5, i've made an error and i've delled it.. now im not able to login on my shell, i get an error because that lib is missing, and so i cant fix. Has anyone an idea ? |
| 08:33.13 | karsten | bibe: Interesting. |
| 08:33.36 | valdyn | bibe: he needs to know how to uninstall it, if you know that.. |
| 08:33.42 | karsten | buns: FWIW, ATI are generally thought to be less horribly bletcherous than NVidia, but it's like saying that Stalin was slightly less evil than Hitler. |
| 08:33.45 | sewi | valdyn: how much should I download to upgrade to etch from sarge, because I have slow internet connection? |
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| 08:33.54 | karsten | sewi: How slow? |
| 08:34.01 | valdyn | sewi: how should i know that? |
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| 08:34.19 | valdyn | sewi: a few 100 to several gig ( theoretically ) |
| 08:34.21 | sewi | karsten: max 50kb/s |
| 08:34.24 | valdyn | sewi: a few 100mb to several gig ( theoretically ) |
| 08:34.25 | gashad | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.51 | valdyn | gashad: tasksel |
| 08:34.57 | karsten | sewi: etch=>sarge isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade, and that's not a generally supported operation. |
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| 08:35.16 | buns | karsten, alright |
| 08:35.25 | bibe | valdyn : if he builds debian packages, then he can install/uninstall with dpkg |
| 08:35.29 | ptm | sewi: try 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' after you have the correct sources, and it will tell you how much the upgrade will be |
| 08:35.37 | valdyn | bibe: yea, but he didnt do that |
| 08:35.38 | sewi | karsten: I want to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 08:35.47 | buns | btw... stalin was just as bad as hitler |
| 08:35.52 | karsten | sewi: ... and it's going to be a fair chunk of data. I've done installs on dialup, figure a few 8-hour overnight downloads. And consider an apt-proxy server. |
| 08:35.55 | valdyn | sewi: dont do that |
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| 08:36.04 | gashad | Valdyn: thanks! :) |
| 08:36.11 | karsten | sewi: OK, but that's not what you said... |
| 08:36.47 | karsten | sewi: It'll depend on what packages you have installed, and which have changed. I've seen a few 500+ MB updates on a couple boxes here. |
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| 08:37.13 | buns | if i were to completely uninstall and purge the x-window-system and xorg would it remove the drivers? |
| 08:37.25 | valdyn | buns: no |
| 08:37.26 | not_benh | howdy quick grep question... how can I get grep to match twice... ie ls -lah ~ | grep .bashrc|.profile but that wants to pipe things to .profile |
| 08:37.29 | buns | bleh |
| 08:37.36 | karsten | buns: No, the drivers are installed seperately. |
| 08:37.43 | sewi | karsten: can I simulate what would be upgraded? |
| 08:37.48 | karsten | not_benh: egrep |
| 08:37.56 | buns | is there a surefire way to remove the drivers withouth reinstalling the system? |
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| 08:38.05 | karsten | sewi: With "-s" IIRC. RTFM for apt-get or aptitude |
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| 08:38.20 | buns | or is it better to install new ones over the top of it |
| 08:38.32 | karsten | sewi: -s == --simulate. |
| 08:38.44 | karsten | buns: Figure out what files were installed. Remove them. |
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| 08:38.53 | karsten | buns: This is left as an exercise for the reader. |
| 08:38.55 | sewi | valdyn: you don't recommend me to upgrade to etch? |
| 08:38.56 | not_benh | karsten: cool thanks |
| 08:39.05 | buns | crap |
| 08:39.07 | valdyn | sewi: defenitely not |
| 08:39.11 | warreng | uhm |
| 08:39.11 | paroneayea | what's the difference between magicfilter and apsfilter? |
| 08:39.14 | valdyn | sewi: its currently quite broken |
| 08:39.16 | karsten | not_benh: egrep '(pattern|pattern2)' |
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| 08:39.21 | ptm | not_benh: ls -lah ~ | egrep '(\.bashrc|\.profile)' |
| 08:39.45 | sewi | valdyn: but if I need some newer packages? |
| 08:39.47 | warreng | uhm, in trying to install subversion from the testing tree, i'm prompted with: Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 (using .../libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 08:39.56 | valdyn | sewi: then backport those |
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| 08:40.10 | warreng | is that something that i shouldn't do? |
| 08:40.12 | valdyn | warreng: dont do that, why are you not backporting? |
| 08:40.25 | warreng | i thought i was backporting? |
| 08:40.39 | sewi | valdyn: Is backporting an easy operation, because I've never done that? |
| 08:40.41 | valdyn | warreng: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:40.57 | warreng | i added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib" to sources.list |
| 08:41.05 | valdyn | sewi: yea, its easy, just can be time consuming as it involves recompiling that package |
| 08:41.41 | valdyn | warreng: why the hell would you add that line? |
| 08:41.46 | warreng | heh |
| 08:41.52 | sewi | valdyn: are there any tutorials on backporting? |
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| 08:41.59 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 08:41.59 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 08:42.03 | warreng | to get the package out of the testing branch? :) |
| 08:42.06 | valdyn | sewi: ^^^ |
| 08:42.39 | valdyn | sewi: feel free to use etch where dpkg uses sid |
| 08:43.46 | warreng | hah |
| 08:43.48 | warreng | i borked subversion |
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| 08:44.13 | tralala | !win warreng |
| 08:44.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, warreng! You have won the US presidency! |
| 08:44.15 | sewi | valdyn: thanks, I'll check that |
| 08:44.42 | warreng | okay, so adding testing to the sources.list was a bad idea.... |
| 08:44.47 | casper | hi |
| 08:44.57 | warreng | it upgraded my locales package |
| 08:45.09 | casper | Is there any normal way to fall back from testing to stable? |
| 08:45.21 | buns | here's an idea, if i were to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select different drivers, it should stop using the proprietary drivers.. right? |
| 08:45.21 | Guerin | casper: no |
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| 08:45.54 | tralala | casper: downdrading is a pita, you need to reinstall |
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| 08:46.00 | warreng | is there any way to downgrade my locales back to the way it was? :) |
| 08:46.20 | karsten | !tell casper about downgrade |
| 08:46.44 | warreng | Preparing to replace locales 2.3.2.ds1-22 (using .../locales_2.3.5-6_all.deb) ... |
| 08:46.57 | casper | tralala, That's something I've done latelly, just wonder if there is easy way. |
| 08:47.02 | ptm | here's a possible solution to "my upgrade is too slow at home"... 1. apt-get update 2. apt-get --print-uris --download-only --assume-yes upgrade|awk '{print $1}' 3. take that list to work and download :-) 4. dump those files to /var/cache/apt/archives/ 5. apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:47.13 | tralala | casper: there isn't |
| 08:47.23 | casper | tralala, thanks |
| 08:47.31 | ptm | question though... would this work (especially step 4.) ??? |
| 08:47.52 | bob2 | ptm: apt-cache show apt-zip |
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| 08:48.12 | karsten | ptm: ^^^ what bob2 said. |
| 08:48.20 | warreng | if i remove the package "locales" and re-install it will that break everything? or will that re-install the stable version? |
| 08:48.42 | karsten | warreng: Odds are good you'll survive. |
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| 08:48.58 | ptm | bob2: oooh! that's neat... |
| 08:49.12 | casper | karsten, thanks |
| 08:49.15 | paroneayea | I seem unable to print postscript files from lpr. I have cups set up and can confirm that the printer does indeed work |
| 08:49.55 | paroneayea | should I do something like install magicfilter? |
| 08:49.56 | warreng | whoo hoo... back to "normal" |
| 08:50.08 | warreng | okay, so i should do a "simple sid backport" to get a newer version of subversion? |
| 08:50.23 | karsten | paroneayea: postscript-capable printer? |
| 08:50.33 | karsten | paroneayea: I think you may want foomatic, not entirely sure. |
| 08:50.40 | paroneayea | karsten: yes, it is |
| 08:50.50 | bob2 | warreng: yes |
| 08:50.54 | paroneayea | I'll look more at foomatic |
| 08:50.59 | karsten | paroneayea: No filtering needed. Send it postscript, it should just print. |
| 08:51.15 | paroneayea | karsten: you mean with foomatic, correct? |
| 08:51.18 | sparr | building gcc requires make. building make requires gcc. this is not cool |
| 08:51.21 | karsten | paroneayea: No, w/o it. |
| 08:51.21 | jm_ | paroneayea: it should jsut work, but you can try printing in raw mode |
| 08:51.30 | paroneayea | hm |
| 08:51.45 | karsten | paroneayea: Printer should pick up teh postscript header and realize it's got PS input. |
| 08:52.30 | karsten | ... and marginally amusing when it doesn't. |
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| 08:56.26 | warreng | and instead of "sid" i should use "etch" ? |
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| 08:57.56 | warreng | i.e. add "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch all" to sources.list ? |
| 08:57.59 | paroneayea | thanks guys :) |
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| 08:59.34 | valdyn | warreng: whatever you want, etch is the safer choice |
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| 09:00.14 | karsten | First things first: how do I figure out what's currently handling sound? |
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| 09:00.33 | valdyn | karsten: thats the wrong question |
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| 09:00.52 | valdyn | karsten: there's so many ways and each app could do it differently |
| 09:00.56 | warreng | holy CRAP... "apt-get build-dep subversion" wants to reinstall apache, gcc, java, and about 86 other packages :( |
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| 09:03.03 | MrEntropy | how come i get a different $PATH when i open an xterm in the X than i would if i just log in on a tty line? |
| 09:03.18 | karsten | !ops 01:01 -!- Iaiaae [n=wracaige@85.106.168.222] has left #debian [] |
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| 09:03.31 | karsten | MrEntropy: ~/.bash_profile |
| 09:03.46 | warreng | how is this seriously so hard to install a current version of subversion? |
| 09:03.47 | MrEntropy | hmm |
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| 09:03.57 | karsten | MrEntropy: ... it's also possible that X is setting path. grep -r PATH= /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 09:04.03 | valdyn | warreng: whats hard about installing 86 packages? |
| 09:04.22 | warreng | i don't see why i should install 86 packages when everything else on the server is working perfectly |
| 09:04.34 | warreng | and re-installing apache/gcc/etc aren't something i really want to do |
| 09:04.59 | valdyn | warreng: apt-get build-dep doesnt reinstall, it installs whats requird and not installed |
| 09:05.12 | warreng | i don't have gcc installed? |
| 09:05.18 | valdyn | warreng: obviously not |
| 09:05.47 | warreng | hah... apparently not |
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| 09:05.51 | kneet | Does apt-get build-dep run an upgrade of old packages if required? |
| 09:06.03 | warreng | okay, i'm not so against it anymore :) |
| 09:06.08 | valdyn | kneet: if required to build - sure |
| 09:06.17 | kneet | valdyn, OK :) |
| 09:06.41 | liable | karsten: why did you call ops on someone that has left? (out of curiosity more than anything else) |
| 09:06.41 | karsten | warreng: If you do find it including something as a dep that shouldn't be, file a bug. |
| 09:06.43 | kneet | So - he could have had an old gcc :) |
| 09:06.53 | karsten | liable: I've got parts ignored. |
| 09:06.56 | valdyn | kneet: yea |
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| 09:07.12 | karsten | liable: ... and that IP range has been hopping on and changing nicks for the past hour or so. |
| 09:07.19 | karsten | liable: ... which is often a prelude to trouble. |
| 09:07.25 | valdyn | kneet: though i doubt that subversion depends on a specific gcc, thast possible |
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| 09:07.39 | warreng | karsten: so can you explain the philosophy of debian to me? when upgraded packages will be available? why subversion 1.1 will install but not 1.2 under sarge? will it ever? |
| 09:07.42 | liable | karsten: ahh, :) |
| 09:07.43 | karsten | liable: ... joins & parts. |
| 09:08.01 | karsten | warreng: For when available, see excuses. |
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| 09:08.04 | kneet | valdyn, was more interested in the general case than gcc specifically :) |
| 09:08.21 | karsten | warreng: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 09:08.27 | karsten | warreng: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html |
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| 09:08.41 | valdyn | karsten: that would be for testing |
| 09:08.49 | karsten | valdyn: strewth. |
| 09:09.05 | valdyn | warreng: sarge is debian/stable, debian stable doesnt get upgrades unless to fix severe or security bugs |
| 09:09.08 | warreng | why on earth does subversion require esound? this server doesn't even have a sound card |
| 09:09.26 | tchino | I get at every package this message: ** (process:7087): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 09:09.52 | warreng | so "backporting" is really "installing packages made for newer versions onto older versions" |
| 09:10.03 | valdyn | warreng: no |
| 09:10.07 | Brian_L | subversion and esound lol |
| 09:10.32 | valdyn | warreng: backporting is recompiling packages that are only compiled for newer debian releases |
| 09:11.06 | warreng | so if subversion-1.2.3 is compiled in the testing branch, what's that mean |
| 09:11.35 | valdyn | warreng: this would be very easy to understand if you knew how C / C++ work, but if you dont, why bother? |
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| 09:11.58 | warreng | i understand fully how c/c++ work |
| 09:12.04 | warreng | i don't understand how the debian versioning works |
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| 09:12.08 | Coweater | it's built with the testing versions of libs |
| 09:12.41 | Coweater | and newer toolchain |
| 09:12.42 | valdyn | warreng: so, you do understand that you have to recompile each package for each different release. |
| 09:13.09 | warreng | assuming libraries change, sure |
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| 09:13.29 | faber2 | morning everbody |
| 09:13.55 | ptm | faber2: evening, mate |
| 09:14.06 | Trewas | actually no official debian packages are built for testing, they are always compiled for unstable with toolchain and libs from unstable |
| 09:14.14 | MrEntropy | karsten: neither of those two |
| 09:14.16 | valdyn | warreng: no, the point is 'assuming that there is no guarantee that there is ABI's are completely compatible' |
| 09:14.30 | warreng | so if i changed my sources.list lines to use "etch" or a release after "sarge".... and i do an apt-get update / upgrade.... |
| 09:14.32 | faber2 | i have a question for the real experts: after updating to 2.6. (finally) my root filesystem is mounted to /dev/sda1, but according to fdisk it should be /dev/sdb1,/dev/sda does not contain a partition table. any ideas? |
| 09:14.46 | warreng | it'll essentially upgrade the whole system to that release? |
| 09:14.56 | Coweater | yes, although you'd want to do a dist-upgrade |
| 09:14.58 | Guerin | warreng: before you do any of that |
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| 09:15.18 | Guerin | warreng: try apt-get -f install; and see if it still wants to reinstall those 86 packages |
| 09:15.20 | brosioz | anyone known how convert .dmg image in iso ? or how to burn on linux ? |
| 09:15.28 | valdyn | faber2: you cant tell which drive is mounted as / |
| 09:15.36 | warreng | guerin: way too late... :) |
| 09:15.42 | Guerin | warreng: oh. |
| 09:15.42 | valdyn | faber2: the 'df' utility has no clue about it directly |
| 09:15.46 | warreng | and i definetly needed some of those packages... like make/gcc/etc... |
| 09:15.48 | Guerin | !bless warreng |
| 09:15.49 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child warreng, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 09:16.01 | warreng | heh |
| 09:16.10 | warreng | $DEITY |
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| 09:16.44 | valdyn | faber2: what you want to check is if the df output for / and the root entry in your boot manager ( the option passed to your kernel at bootttime ) agree |
| 09:16.58 | karsten | ... Phated herself. |
| 09:17.03 | faber2 | valdyn: i upgraded from megaraid2 (2.4) to megaraid_mbox. in order for the kernel to boot i changed the root to /dev/sdb1, whereas /etc/fstab still contains /dev/sda1 |
| 09:17.04 | Phated | ? |
| 09:17.08 | karsten | Phated: ^^ |
| 09:17.16 | warreng | so by doing a "simple sid backport", i can do a "apt-get remove" later on and it'll remove ALL the files this is installing? |
| 09:17.20 | valdyn | faber2: exactly, thats why the df output is wrong |
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| 09:17.24 | paroneayea | ,provides lp |
| 09:17.29 | Phated | karsten: Lady Of Pain, you mean? 'Her Serenity The Lady Phated', perhaps? |
| 09:17.32 | paroneayea | hm. |
| 09:17.33 | valdyn | faber2: so fix your fstab |
| 09:17.44 | faber2 | valdyn: grub: root=/dev/sdb1, fstab,mount,df root=/dev/sda1, fdisk /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:18.01 | faber2 | valdyn: does linux mount the root during boot and thats it? |
| 09:18.03 | valdyn | faber2: yea, what i said |
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| 09:18.18 | karsten | Phated: She who makes you look forward to dealing with _just_ a Really Bad Attitude. |
| 09:18.20 | valdyn | faber2: right, it only remounts /, it doesnt check what fstab said when doing that |
| 09:18.24 | faber2 | valdyn: so i could change to sdb1 and safeley reboot? |
| 09:18.38 | valdyn | faber2: i mean, it remounts / to make it readwrite |
| 09:18.39 | Phated | karsten: Aye. |
| 09:18.47 | Phated | karsten: You learn fast, little one. You may enter. |
| 09:18.51 | valdyn | faber2: you could change it to sdf1 too ;) |
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| 09:18.59 | faber2 | valdyn: alright, but why do df and mount dont know whats going on? |
| 09:19.28 | faber2 | valdyn: alright, so the root entry in fstab is rather cosmentic? |
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| 09:19.36 | valdyn | faber2: whatever writes /etc/mtab just reads /etc/fstab in that case, and doesnt make a reality check |
| 09:19.48 | valdyn | faber2: /etc/mtab is where df gets its info iirc |
| 09:20.02 | valdyn | faber2: yea |
| 09:20.07 | faber2 | valdyn: ok, so i can safely format /dev/sda1 now, although it is mounted? |
| 09:20.18 | valdyn | faber2: i isnt mounted |
| 09:20.22 | valdyn | faber2: it isnt mounted |
| 09:20.27 | MrEntropy | karsten: got it, /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession.options |
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| 09:20.37 | karsten | MrEntropy: Sounds like a likely source. |
| 09:20.42 | sep | I am running powerdns 2.9.17 from debian sarge. and i am trying to run as a master. but when i issue a pdns_control notify domain i get an error in the log that say pdns[2355]: Unable to queue notification of domain 'norway.no': nameservers do not resolve!.. i have googled and all answers relate to unable to resolve in a chrooted enviorment, but i havent enabled the chroot in the config. and name resolution work in shell, both as root and as pdns user. can any |
| 09:20.43 | sep | one give me a hint towards the problem |
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| 09:20.52 | faber2 | valdyn: i know this, but does my mkfs.xfs also knows that? |
| 09:20.56 | valdyn | faber2: i would fix fstab then reboot, then do whatever, no reason to provoke subtle bugs |
| 09:21.25 | karsten | MrEntropy: Honestly, I'll just start in /etc/X11 and grep through stuff looking for anything setting a PATH=. This changes with somewhat annoying frequency, though xdm itself is pretty venerable. |
| 09:21.42 | warreng | so what's a "debian expert" cost per hour? |
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| 09:21.56 | valdyn | faber2: mkfs will formwat the right partition, no idea if or hwo it will warn you about that partition being mounted |
| 09:22.01 | k8to | Attempting to make a CD Image from a CD. 'given that dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso gives an IO error, is there some additional step I should try? |
| 09:22.02 | bibe | warreng : it varies very much |
| 09:22.03 | lestest | hi there ... I'm trying to build a i386 repository with mkdebmirror but after downloading I have Release signature does not verify. Any clue? |
| 09:22.14 | MrEntropy | karsten: you wouldn't have found "PATH=", the line is "DisplayManager*userPath: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games" |
| 09:22.18 | warreng | well for example, what would it cost to install subversion-1.2.3 the "correct" way |
| 09:22.19 | paroneayea | so my printer can nicely print a test page from the cups admin page in my browser. However, when I try to send it postscript stuff via lpr (like through xpdf) it starts shooting out garbage |
| 09:22.57 | paroneayea | or more often, blank pages with the occasional odd character |
| 09:22.59 | liable | k8to: whats wrong with mkisofs? |
| 09:23.01 | valdyn | warreng: you were about to do it the right way, an 'export' would just have installed those 86 packages ;) |
| 09:23.01 | iturk | hi there my system has 160 GB disk and i can only use 149 GB i am using debian stable ?? |
| 09:23.22 | k8to | liable: mkisofs is not very good at reading in CD images from physical CDs, last I checked |
| 09:23.33 | bibe | warreng : also "the correct way" varies very much |
| 09:24.06 | valdyn | iturk: your disk isnt really 160 gb, its 160 * 10^9 bytes |
| 09:24.09 | Noid_ | iturk: the manufacturer lies to you, 160 GB are not real GB |
| 09:24.25 | bibe | iturk : does your partitioning scheme have free space? |
| 09:24.29 | k8to | liable: it's plausible that the CD was improperly mastered but this is all a big murky area to me |
| 09:24.34 | warreng | so by adding a line to sources.list for "etch", that means whenever i try to build something from source, it'll use the etch list, but if i do it via just "install", it'll install the binaries off the sarge list? |
| 09:24.40 | iturk | Noid_: it says in boot config that the disk is 160 |
| 09:24.55 | iturk | but my operating system only see 149 GB |
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| 09:24.58 | Noid_ | iturk: read what valdyn says |
| 09:25.09 | valdyn | warreng: DONT have a deb line for etch there. ONLY a deb-src line |
| 09:25.17 | warreng | ya, it's deb-src |
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| 09:25.34 | valdyn | warreng: deb-src doesnt provide installable packages, only sources |
| 09:25.35 | lestest | how do I get the public key to check debian pakages? |
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| 09:25.43 | warreng | subversion doesn't compile though :( |
| 09:26.00 | liable | k8to: yeah i'm not really a burning expert either. maybe copy the files onto hd, then try.. |
| 09:26.14 | k8to | i am not working with files |
| 09:26.16 | iturk | bibe: teh partion program report 149 GB disk |
| 09:26.19 | k8to | nor am I concerned about burning |
| 09:26.20 | warreng | http://pastebin.com/432885 |
| 09:26.23 | k8to | this is not a burning question |
| 09:26.24 | iturk | but not my BIOS |
| 09:26.26 | k8to | this is an imaging question |
| 09:26.42 | valdyn | k8to: you just want to make an image off a common cdrom? |
| 09:26.52 | k8to | I have a physical CD. I would like a file which represents an image of the contents |
| 09:27.10 | bibe | iturk : then it's because your disk is 160*10^9 bytes, as valdyn told you |
| 09:27.15 | valdyn | k8to: that IO error indicates taht the CD is either broken or intentiionally broken ( so called copy protection ) |
| 09:27.22 | k8to | I am not certain if i need to do something funky to represent a possibly flawed CD, like image at a lower level than ISO9660 |
| 09:27.42 | k8to | valdyn: it was burned by a relatively nontechnical person many years ago |
| 09:27.48 | Gumby | can anyone here tell me if it is possible to change the module to which a pciid is assigned? and if so, which file I'll need to edit |
| 09:27.49 | k8to | valdyn: i suspect it was pilot error |
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| 09:28.01 | valdyn | k8to: more likely the cd is just broken |
| 09:28.07 | k8to | okay so |
| 09:28.07 | valdyn | k8to: try ddrescue |
| 09:28.10 | k8to | the cd is broken but |
| 09:28.13 | k8to | i can install off it |
| 09:28.19 | bibe | iturk : 160*10^9/1024^3 = 149.01... |
| 09:28.32 | valdyn | k8to: or read the manpage to dd, i think it can skip errors too |
| 09:28.42 | iturk | but why bios report 160 GB ? |
| 09:28.46 | karsten | MrEntropy: touche. |
| 09:28.50 | jhiver | I have lost my root password and booting in 'single' user mode doesn't let me in... is there anything I can do? |
| 09:28.59 | bibe | iturk : it uses a different calculation method |
| 09:29.00 | valdyn | iturk: it doesnt report size, it reads the info rom |
| 09:29.02 | MrEntropy | karsten: =) |
| 09:29.04 | Noid | iturk: bottomline is, your disk is ok, it just suffers from the "manufacturer's bloated capacity" syndrom |
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| 09:29.22 | karsten | !tell jhiver about i forgot roots password |
| 09:29.23 | fireba11 | iturk: : HD vendors use 1000s insetead of 1024s |
| 09:29.34 | karsten | !tell jhiver about i forgot root's password |
| 09:29.53 | bibe | iturk : cancel what I wrote, valdyn and fireba11 are right |
| 09:29.56 | jhiver | karsten, thx |
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| 09:30.00 | karsten | jhiver: NP. |
| 09:30.02 | warreng | so if i'm doing everything "correctly", why doesn't subversion compile?? i get this error: http://pastebin.com/432885 |
| 09:30.13 | Syrus | the debian i386 installation cds, do I need all of them for setting up a system including the wireless-tools package? |
| 09:30.17 | karsten | jhiver: Ping the channel if you run into problems. It's a pretty trivial fix. |
| 09:30.23 | karsten | Syrus: No. |
| 09:30.31 | karsten | Syrus: Particularly not if you have a good broadband connection. |
| 09:30.53 | k8to | valdyn: i was wondering about things like: reading at a lower speed, a tool similar to cdparanoia for data, a tool which images the entire cd datastream, not just the whateverbook data storage channel |
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| 09:31.12 | fireba11 | Syrus: you got a reason not to use netinstall ? if not, just use taht one :-) |
| 09:31.21 | valdyn | k8to: pointless |
| 09:31.36 | warreng | seriously.. how is this so complicated to install subversion :( |
| 09:31.40 | valdyn | k8to: cdparanoia is for audio data |
| 09:31.52 | k8to | that is why i said "similar to.. for data" |
| 09:31.55 | Guerin | warreng: it shouldn't be. Something's busted. |
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| 09:32.14 | warreng | :( |
| 09:32.17 | valdyn | k8to: if your disk drive can read it, it will, with dd, if it cant, then it cant, theres no cdparanoia way |
| 09:32.24 | iturk | bibe: i see thanks |
| 09:32.25 | warreng | how do i figure "unbust" it |
| 09:32.25 | karsten | Guerin: u a girl? |
| 09:32.37 | faber2 | valdyn: thanks for your hints |
| 09:32.44 | Guerin | :kingsleysmite karsten |
| 09:32.46 | faber2 | valdyn: machine seems ok now |
| 09:32.48 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite karsten |
| 09:32.49 | jm_ | k8to: what makes you think you can't read data cds with cdparanoia? |
| 09:32.54 | k8to | there are a number of access methods for requesting data streams from cdrom drives |
| 09:33.02 | faber2 | should i use 2 XEON system in 2 cpu or 4 cpu mode? |
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| 09:33.04 | k8to | jm_: i suspect the result would not be useful? |
| 09:33.08 | k8to | jm_: I don't know |
| 09:33.27 | k8to | it is not so simple as "works or not" |
| 09:33.28 | jm_ | k8to: ahh it actually only handles audio tracks |
| 09:33.32 | yacc | faber2: That depends upon your load. |
| 09:33.37 | Guerin | karsten: since dpkg is evidently on the blink: karsten: You're nothing but a c*ck f*rting j*ckass! |
| 09:33.39 | jm_ | I thought it can do data too, but obviously not |
| 09:33.44 | Gumby | can anyone here tell me how I might go about asigning a specific module to a specific pcmcia card. The wrong module keeps trying to load. |
| 09:33.50 | yacc | faber2: So you basically have to benchmark your workload yourself ;) |
| 09:33.54 | karsten | Guerin: I'm _that_ obvious? |
| 09:34.01 | Guerin | karsten: unfortunately so |
| 09:34.06 | karsten | Guerin: Rats! |
| 09:34.06 | yacc | Gumby: Preload the module? |
| 09:34.14 | jm_ | k8to: anyway, as valdyn said, if dd can't read nothing will help |
| 09:34.15 | k8to | jm_: it is designed to handle issues with audio track reading, and does a lot of guessing of values, so it is doubtful it could even be easily repurposed |
| 09:34.18 | faber2 | yacc: is there a rule of thumb ? |
| 09:34.22 | lestest | how do I get the non-us gpg key hash? |
| 09:34.30 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 09:34.30 | Guerin | karsten: chin up, you could have been a b*lls d*mning l*sbian |
| 09:34.38 | yacc | faber2: No. It's a religious question ;) |
| 09:34.40 | k8to | I accept the spirit of that answer but am kind of bothered |
| 09:34.43 | tarzeau | apt non-us |
| 09:34.44 | apt | non-us is probably (Deprecated) where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing\" or "unstable\" for "woody\". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning ... |
| 09:34.57 | yacc | faber2: Without benchmarks you can argue it both ways :) |
| 09:35.03 | k8to | in that the truth is "if dd can't read it, nothing which accesses the device file in a normal way will work" |
| 09:35.22 | yacc | So if you do not want to benchmark, pick your explanation, look serious, and do it ;) |
| 09:35.25 | jm_ | did you also check when you get I/O error when reading it? |
| 09:35.43 | valdyn | k8to: if you can use that CD, but not 'copy' it with dd, ddrescue can produce an equally usuable 'broken' copy |
| 09:35.50 | k8to | jm: do you mean a kernel log message? |
| 09:36.02 | jm_ | k8to: yes, it gives you some important details |
| 09:36.06 | lestest | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.09 | k8to | given the error pattern, i think the session is simply unclosed |
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| 09:36.27 | lestest | there are no non-us packages in sid? |
| 09:36.46 | tarzeau | lestest: no |
| 09:36.52 | k8to | lestest: non-us went away |
| 09:36.54 | Guerin | lestest: are you reading-impaired? |
| 09:37.01 | Guerin | lestest: or are you just trying to annoy us? |
| 09:37.21 | lestest | Guerin: just ignore me |
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| 09:38.01 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.17 | Gumby | yacc: its a pcmcia device. When I plug the card in, ndiswrapper tries to load. I have another card that is almost exactly the same except for one part in lspci -v. |
| 09:38.17 | tarzeau | i want to force remove kill go away it. |
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| 09:38.26 | sewi | what is the difference in backporting between what was said here and the description on: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port ? |
| 09:38.28 | Gumby | yacc: so a preloaded kernel module wont fix anything |
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| 09:38.36 | tarzeau | is there no -i-fucking-know-what-i-do-just-fucking-do-it option for dpkg? |
| 09:38.48 | k8to | jm_: sall i really see is that the drive is reporting an IO error |
| 09:38.50 | karsten | tarzeau: force, in varying degrees. |
| 09:39.02 | jm_ | tarzeau: people who would know what they are doing won't need it anyway :) |
| 09:39.09 | jm_ | k8to: and the sector number ... |
| 09:39.21 | k8to | 106920 |
| 09:39.23 | tarzeau | karsten: ah yes --force-all my friend |
| 09:39.24 | karsten | tarzeau: ... or just unar and edit your installed packages list by hand. |
| 09:39.34 | jm_ | where's that in terms of track length? |
| 09:40.01 | k8to | there is no track length |
| 09:40.06 | jm_ | there always is |
| 09:40.16 | faber2 | is there a debian tool like "service" is for redhat? |
| 09:40.28 | Guerin | !services |
| 09:40.31 | tarzeau | faber2: what does service do? update-rc.d ? |
| 09:40.33 | Guerin | damnit |
| 09:40.37 | k8to | Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 13365 hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdc: command error: error=0x51 ide: failed opcode was 100 end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 106920 |
| 09:40.48 | tralala | !red hat tools |
| 09:40.49 | k8to | track length: not listed |
| 09:40.53 | Guerin | faber2: rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d |
| 09:40.56 | tralala | !red-hat tools |
| 09:40.58 | streuner | k8to: if its a HD backup your data NOW |
| 09:41.01 | Guerin | dpkg out |
| 09:41.06 | yacc | Gumby: Well it worked for me in such cases (like having a ndiswrapper and a native driver battling for the same card) |
| 09:41.09 | k8to | streuner: hahah yes, good thing it is not |
| 09:41.18 | jm_ | no I didn't mean in kernel logs, I meant on the actual CD - I usually use cdrecord's atip option to list it, but there are possibly other tools |
| 09:41.19 | faber2 | Guerin: with service i can do "service mysql stop" |
| 09:41.38 | Syrus | fireba11: I have quite an obscure usb 802.11g dongle that's the only network interface for that computer, and I need some tools for compiling the driver for it and wireless tools package for using the thing |
| 09:41.56 | jm_ | actually I meant cdrecord -toc not atip |
| 09:42.04 | Guerin | faber2: oh, ok. |
| 09:42.08 | Syrus | the net-install iso doesn't have the driver, and I'm not sure if it'll have gc etc... on there |
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| 09:42.13 | tralala | faber2: invoke-rc.d |
| 09:42.25 | Syrus | I dunno, what would you suggest? |
| 09:42.28 | tralala | or /etc/init.d/script |
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| 09:42.33 | rvalles | hi~ |
| 09:42.40 | Guerin | faber2: invoke-rc.d or /etc/init.d/servicename (stop|start|restart) |
| 09:42.46 | fireba11 | Syrus: netinstall should have gcc on it .. have a look at the debain page, there should eb a list what's on that tinggie |
| 09:42.46 | rvalles | by default, it seems that X doesn't listen to a TCP socket. |
| 09:42.48 | tarzeau | say i have a script with -e set and i want a command like patch wahtever << EOF some lines EOF to not fail, where do i put the || true ? |
| 09:42.53 | Guerin | rvalles: correct |
| 09:42.55 | rvalles | how do I make it listen? |
| 09:42.57 | tarzeau | after the first EOF, the last? or before << ? |
| 09:43.02 | Guerin | rvalles: if you're wise, you don't |
| 09:43.06 | faber2 | Guerin: invore-rc.d is a script? |
| 09:43.09 | rvalles | Guerin: I'm not wise |
| 09:43.13 | rvalles | Guerin: so, how do I? |
| 09:43.13 | Guerin | faber2: it's a binary, yeah |
| 09:43.27 | Guerin | rvalles: edit some file in /etc/X11/ |
| 09:43.33 | jm_ | rvalles: xinitrc |
| 09:43.35 | Guerin | rvalles: rgrep for 'nolisten' |
| 09:43.44 | rvalles | ok |
| 09:43.57 | faber2 | Guerin: ok, so invoke-rc.d seems the equiv. to service, it seems. who came up with this name? |
| 09:44.00 | k8to | jm_: there is a lout (leadout?) track at 26732 ( 106928) 05:58:32 |
| 09:44.04 | rvalles | xserverrc, at the end |
| 09:44.08 | k8to | jm_: and one track before that |
| 09:44.12 | Guerin | faber2: read the changelog and see who the author was |
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| 09:44.18 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to see a list of processes who have some memory pages swapped out, and how much swapspace the pages occupy? |
| 09:44.27 | jm_ | k8to: so it ends on sector 106928, but fails at 106920 |
| 09:44.31 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: top? |
| 09:44.38 | Guerin | faber2: it's not used that much by most peopl - most just run the scripts in init.d directly, which is all invoke-rc.d does |
| 09:44.40 | warreng | how do i get a list of all installed pacakges? |
| 09:44.42 | lestest | anybody here use some resource managment system like condor, pbs or sge under debian? |
| 09:44.43 | k8to | jm_: i suppose |
| 09:44.47 | Dewi | warreng: dp[kg -i |
| 09:44.50 | Dewi | er |
| 09:44.50 | Guerin | warreng: dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:44.53 | Dewi | warreng: dpkg -l |
| 09:45.00 | Guerin | warreng: or COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
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| 09:45.13 | jm_ | k8to: check if you can read all files from it, generate md5sum for them, then dd it, loop mount it and compare md5sum-s, if they match, ignore the error |
| 09:45.15 | k8to | jm_: i do not see a key for those numbers |
| 09:45.19 | Dewi | Guerin: ooh, does that list only specifically req'd packages? |
| 09:45.27 | Guerin | Dewi: eh? |
| 09:45.45 | k8to | jm_: i have already diffed the image against the mounted CD without issue |
| 09:45.47 | Guerin | Dewi: the COLUMNS variable just stops packages from getting truncated |
| 09:45.48 | Dewi | Guerin: often I wish to see a list of every package I have *asked for* rather than all installed |
| 09:45.56 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm not interested in dependancies in other words |
| 09:45.57 | jm_ | k8to: then you have a working image |
| 09:45.57 | Guerin | Dewi: man grep |
| 09:45.59 | k8to | jm_: i just didn't know if the installer crap would fall over |
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| 09:46.12 | Syrus | fireba11: there is an option on the debian net inst to use network drivers from a disk...any idea what it expects? (a .ko kernel module, source files, a binary?) |
| 09:46.12 | k8to | especially as burned by a remote party etc |
| 09:46.23 | Dewi | Guerin: er... grep can't tell the difference between a dependancy and a deliberately installed package |
| 09:46.29 | k8to | jm_: thank you for bearing with me |
| 09:46.32 | fireba11 | Syrus: no .. never needed that option |
| 09:46.44 | Guerin | Syrus: since kernel modules are kernel-specific, you'd need to build the module against the running kernel headers |
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| 09:47.03 | Guerin | Syrus: this is best done in advance - google "custom debian installer" |
| 09:47.20 | slowhand | evenin guys |
| 09:47.34 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: top is showing that mysqld is using 98m swap... but only 41m swap is used according to `free` |
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| 09:47.45 | Syrus | hmm |
| 09:47.46 | Guerin | Dewi: oh. aptitude knows the difference. |
| 09:47.51 | Syrus | make my own installer eh? :) |
| 09:48.02 | slowhand | anyone familira with wine? and maybe how to kill a program that's crashed in it |
| 09:48.05 | Syrus | I take it I can do that in a chrooted env on this machine n stuff |
| 09:48.10 | Guerin | Syrus: yeah. Just the kernel, really, unless you specifically want some different packages. |
| 09:48.33 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: where does top tell you about used swap? |
| 09:48.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn_: field 'p'. start top, press 'fp'. |
| 09:48.51 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: VIRT isnt it |
| 09:50.03 | Guerin | Syrus: kill wine |
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| 09:50.07 | Guerin | slowhand: kill wine |
| 09:50.08 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: thats must be showing only virtual memory too |
| 09:50.09 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: maybe they define it differently. For example, some of swap might be paged into physical |
| 09:50.09 | Gumby | yacc: my problem is this..... |
| 09:50.11 | Gumby | 0000:03:00.0 Class 0280: 1260:3890 (rev 01) |
| 09:50.11 | Gumby | 0000:07:00.0 Class 0280: 1260:3890 (rev 01) |
| 09:50.16 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: values are wrong ( to high ) |
| 09:50.28 | Guerin | Gumby: pastage leads to brutal murder |
| 09:50.51 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: last i checked, when swap memory is 'paged into physical' it's not swapped anymore =) |
| 09:50.54 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: so you have memory that is 'only virt', 'only phys', and 'both'. All I'm saying is that the 'both' category seems likely to be accounted differently |
| 09:51.17 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: what, and delete it off the physical disk? |
| 09:51.25 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: sounds like a waste of time, especially if it ever gets swapped out again |
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| 09:51.54 | Dewi | my point is that it's not as clear cut as you might think, and different tools may report different things. I don't know the details. |
| 09:51.59 | k8to | Dewi: the data on disk will be wrong by that point |
| 09:52.10 | Dewi | k8to: the OS will account what is right and what is wrong |
| 09:52.16 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: ok, anywho, is there a way to see swap usage per-process that corresponds with what `free` considers to be swap usage? |
| 09:52.26 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: these tools, like top, arent reporting stuff properly that has to do with mmap() |
| 09:52.39 | k8to | SerajewelKS: hmm, i would like that |
| 09:52.40 | Dewi | valdyn_: memory mapped files? |
| 09:52.46 | valdyn_ | Dewi: yea |
| 09:52.47 | Dewi | valdyn_: that's a whole can of worms too... |
| 09:52.52 | Dewi | valdyn_: good point |
| 09:53.07 | Syrus | Guerin: kill wine? |
| 09:53.18 | sewi | when I add only deb-src of testing, and leave deb of stable in sources.list, what would happen if I build a new package and some new versions of another packages will be required which are not available in stable? |
| 09:53.30 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: mapping a 100mb file it will show is 100mb additionaly used, but if you only access 1mb on that file only 1mb will be physically used |
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| 09:53.59 | Dewi | valdyn_: is mmap used "often"? |
| 09:54.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn_: does the kernel swap out mmap'd stuff? |
| 09:54.17 | k8to | valdyn_: yeah the virtual size doesn't represent the page allocation |
| 09:54.20 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: it starts "swapped out" |
| 09:54.28 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: well yeah |
| 09:54.34 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: but it's not in "swap" if I understand correctly |
| 09:54.35 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: i mean to a swap partition |
| 09:54.44 | valdyn_ | Dewi: no idea, 'strace -emmap someprogram' |
| 09:54.47 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: if it does do that... why =) |
| 09:54.53 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: it's backed by a file, why would it swap to a swap partition? |
| 09:55.00 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: right, my point |
| 09:55.01 | k8to | it's possible for the vsize of aprogram to be far larger than the pages which the kernel has reserved for it |
| 09:55.15 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: oh. yeah :) |
| 09:55.25 | k8to | this applies to malloc, mmap, etc |
| 09:55.34 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: to be honest, I have no idea if my machine had enough RAM either. So I bought more. :D |
| 09:55.38 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: only 1 mb gets swapped out, but behind it is a real 100mb file, which is reported as being in swap and available in memory |
| 09:56.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn_: aha, so if i mmap a 100mb file, it immediately appears that the process is using 100mb swap? |
| 09:56.12 | Guerin | Syrus: i am teh tpyo knig.nad taht measn thta my tabcompelte is vrey bda |
| 09:56.38 | k8to | SerajewelKS: your virtual size will grow by 100 megs |
| 09:56.50 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: no, as using 100mb memory, only if that is swapped out it will be in swap |
| 09:56.52 | k8to | SerajewelKS: i dunno how you evaluate how much swap a program is using |
| 09:57.21 | SerajewelKS | valdyn_: how does the kernel "swap out" an mmap then? |
| 09:57.26 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: so physically 1mb gets swapped, while the whole file is being reported as being swapped out |
| 09:57.53 | k8to | the backing store of an unmodified mmap is the file |
| 09:58.00 | SerajewelKS | valdyn_: why would the kernel use swapspace for an mmap when there's already this nifty file doing the job... |
| 09:58.02 | k8to | the backing store of a modified mmap might be the swap file |
| 09:58.25 | Syrus | Guerin: I don't understand, are you mad that I wasn't bothering to type properly? |
| 09:58.42 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: that part of the kernel doesnt know what a memory page is used for, it just swaps it out if it 'can' |
| 09:58.44 | Guerin | Syrus: no. |
| 09:58.54 | Guerin | Syrus: *I* am teh typo king! |
| 09:59.06 | k8to | okay toodles |
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| 09:59.15 | Guerin | Syrus: yuo are a puny imtiaort |
| 09:59.16 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: unchanged mmap'd pages can be thrown away entirely |
| 09:59.20 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: for more details dont ask me... |
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| 09:59.46 | sewi | anybody know, when the Debian reference manual was written? in the times of potato of woody version? |
| 09:59.59 | SerajewelKS | bob2: of course.. they *can* but even in the case of a modified mmap, why would the kernel use swapspace instead of writing it back to the file and throwing the page out? |
| 10:00.08 | bob2 | sewi: the debian history page may mention it |
| 10:00.30 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: good point, I don't know if pages are ever written before an explicity msync() or not |
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| 10:01.19 | SerajewelKS | bob2: i don't know how the kernel does this, but if it does store modified mmap pages in swapspace, that sounds like a kernel patch waiting to happen |
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| 10:02.28 | Mitja | How much hard drive space should I reserve for Debian 3.1 amd64? |
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| 10:02.44 | valdyn_ | Mitja: waht do you have available? |
| 10:02.46 | SerajewelKS | Mitja: i'd reserve at least 5 gigs |
| 10:02.55 | Guerin | Mitja: 2-10G |
| 10:02.56 | SerajewelKS | Mitja: esp. for a desktip |
| 10:03.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:03.04 | Mitja | valdyn_: I don't know what do you mean |
| 10:03.07 | bob2 | Mitja: the base system is 80MB, a nice desktop system will be a few GB |
| 10:03.19 | Mitja | valdyn_: I have it on 2 iso images |
| 10:03.21 | valdyn_ | Mitja: how large is your harddisk |
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| 10:03.47 | jm_ | 3.5" !! :) |
| 10:03.48 | Mitja | 160 |
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| 10:04.01 | Mitja | but I can't spare it all |
| 10:04.10 | valdyn_ | Mitja: i prefer using 20gig for / on this box just b/c i can afford that. That's not the case on a notebook with limited space |
| 10:04.35 | SerajewelKS | at the risk of being told !poll, has anyone else had a brand new Seagate hard drive fail? i've heard of 3 cases (including mine) on my campus. |
| 10:04.43 | Mitja | Do you guys have your data on the system partition or somewhere else? |
| 10:04.56 | SerajewelKS | Mitja: i have one big / partition |
| 10:05.02 | SerajewelKS | Mitja: if that's what you're asking |
| 10:05.02 | bob2 | Mitja: I have a 5GB or so /, and a whatever is left /home/, which has all the data I care about |
| 10:05.04 | valdyn_ | Mitja: elsewhere , except for /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:05.35 | bibe | Mitja : I care much for logs, too |
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| 10:06.08 | bibe | Mitja : but yes, I use 5GB for / and the rest for /home (on my laptop) |
| 10:06.17 | Mitja | I want to know about the safety, comparing to Windows, where is smart to have the data separated. |
| 10:06.53 | valdyn_ | Mitja: its more comfortable and safe to have it seperated |
| 10:07.22 | bibe | Mitja : I also move /var/cache/apt/archives/ to /home/archives, then symlink /var/cache/apt/archives -> /home/archives. It comes useful when using another partition to test something, and/or if you reinstall |
| 10:07.30 | Mitja | valdyn_: the case is I have Mandriva 2006.0 and it's already like 15 GB! |
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| 10:07.41 | Mitja | with /home just 1 GB |
| 10:07.58 | cusco | !test |
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| 10:08.02 | valdyn_ | Mitja: that's huge |
| 10:08.21 | Mitja | valdyn_: yeah, I don't know why, though I've installed some packages |
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| 10:08.47 | valdyn_ | Mitja: you probably want to figure out what exactly is taking this space.. |
| 10:09.01 | Mitja | valdyn_: most certainly |
| 10:09.02 | valdyn_ | Mitja: hardly just the programs i think |
| 10:09.13 | Mitja | valdyn_: and to get rid of it, too |
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| 10:10.29 | Mitja | thanks to all |
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| 10:14.46 | SerajewelKS | i would like to set up my debian server to be a network boot server that will push a minimal debian system to any PC that tries to do a network boot. is there a tutorial/howto for this, or what packages would i need to get started? |
| 10:15.56 | jm_ | netboot howto etc. |
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| 10:16.12 | bob2 | http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=818 |
| 10:16.21 | bob2 | hm, actually, no |
| 10:16.45 | bob2 | http://hands.com/d-i/HOWTO-PXE.txt |
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| 10:17.05 | SerajewelKS | bob2: thanks |
| 10:17.15 | Moof | can anyone help me get horde/imp working? I'm geetting strange PHP error messages formt he default install, and I know no PHP |
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| 10:18.27 | SerajewelKS | bob2: is that for making a network boot that will run debian-installer? |
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| 10:19.39 | Zap-W | drive is going bad hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=17881639, sector=17881639 |
| 10:19.39 | Zap-W | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 17881639 |
| 10:19.40 | Zap-W | ?! |
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| 10:20.14 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: do you have a question? |
| 10:20.30 | Zap-W | what could cause this error |
| 10:20.37 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: hardware failure |
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| 10:21.38 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: back up your stuff ASAP and return the drive if it's under warranty |
| 10:21.39 | Zap-W | do you think turning off DMA could help? |
| 10:21.47 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: doubt it |
| 10:22.09 | Zap-W | i have it for 1 year and a half |
| 10:22.11 | Lamex | heya all, I try to get .htaccess to work in my apache2, but it doesn't do anything after I have enabled the rewrite module, is there anything else I need to do with my debian apache2 installation? |
| 10:22.13 | Zap-W | and it's already dying |
| 10:22.43 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: what brand |
| 10:22.55 | ptm | is there any point buying anything more than a basic video card? (assuming you are not going to be playing games) |
| 10:23.01 | Zap-W | hda: Maxtor 2B020H1, ATA DISK drive |
| 10:23.09 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: ah, maxtor |
| 10:23.16 | Zap-W | 20GB 5400rpm |
| 10:23.21 | Zap-W | maxtor sucks? |
| 10:23.35 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: my brother's maxtor died right after the warranty expired |
| 10:23.37 | Zap-W | i have been using this driver for a homeserver 24/7 |
| 10:23.47 | Zap-W | that sucks |
| 10:23.47 | loxley_ | atleast seagate provide 5 years warrany :) |
| 10:23.57 | loxley_ | warranty even |
| 10:24.01 | Zap-W | loxley_: even on ATA drives? |
| 10:24.05 | SerajewelKS | loxley_: 5 years warranty for a drive that goes out 4 months after you get it isn't encouraging |
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| 10:24.26 | loxley_ | SerajewelKS: true.. :) |
| 10:24.27 | iskywalker | hi! i got a problem installling axkit with apt-get install axkit |
| 10:24.39 | iskywalker | Richte libxml-sax-perl ein (0.12-5) ... |
| 10:24.41 | iskywalker | Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "XML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 90. |
| 10:24.50 | LootBeer | jus wanna ask: when soldering wires on pcb's what wires are used? |
| 10:24.50 | Zap-W | what does mean "goes out 4 months " |
| 10:24.55 | iskywalker | what did i wrong? |
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| 10:25.08 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: i bought a seagate 4 months ago and it's dying |
| 10:25.09 | bob2 | iskywalker: sid? |
| 10:25.18 | Fear_cult | anyone use the s3 unichrome vid card here? |
| 10:25.19 | iskywalker | what is sid |
| 10:25.35 | bob2 | iskywalker: what version of Debian are you using? |
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| 10:25.48 | iskywalker | knoppix 4.0 |
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| 10:25.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell iskywalker about based on debian |
| 10:26.10 | iskywalker | so i should ask #knoppix? |
| 10:26.15 | Zap-W | SerajewelKS: bad power supply could damage a drive no? |
| 10:26.21 | SerajewelKS | iskywalker: yes, please |
| 10:26.22 | iskywalker | well i thought it was an apt-get problem... |
| 10:26.24 | iskywalker | k |
| 10:26.34 | SerajewelKS | iskywalker: it's a package problem |
| 10:26.39 | iskywalker | if they dont answer me there? (already asked something...) |
| 10:26.41 | SerajewelKS | iskywalker: and debian does not make knoppix |
| 10:26.55 | SerajewelKS | iskywalker: then figure it out or use a knoppix mailing list |
| 10:27.02 | cmdKeen | is there some free 2d .dxf based CAD system ? |
| 10:27.08 | iskywalker | k |
| 10:27.14 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: sure |
| 10:27.20 | SerajewelKS | Zap-W: but the rest of my system seems happy |
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| 10:30.52 | Lamex | heya all, I try to get .htaccess to work in my apache2, but it doesn't do anything after I have enabled the rewrite module, is there anything else I need to do with my debian apache2 installation? (i'm asking here because the config is different from the standard installations) |
| 10:31.28 | jm_ | the options for directory in question matter, so check that |
| 10:31.54 | bibe | talking about debian-based (what was that funny bot about CO2 and CO?): Ubuntu ships a nice acpi-support package, with many interesting scripts. Can I find a sarge package for that? Should I test those scripts on my sarge laptop and make a debian package? |
| 10:31.54 | Lamex | could you explain that a bit please? |
| 10:32.23 | ptm | lamex: check logs? any whinges? |
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| 10:33.10 | Lamex | ptm: there is nothing in the logs I could find.. it seems like it doesn't use the .htaccess |
| 10:33.52 | jm_ | <Directory /home/*/public_html> |
| 10:34.03 | jm_ | AllowOverride AuthConfig |
| 10:34.05 | Zap-W | bzip2 compression kicks ass |
| 10:34.36 | Lamex | jm_: I believe there is no Directory tag for thet directory.. I will check that.. |
| 10:34.52 | ptm | lamex: listen 2 jm_, also, remove rewrite support, recheck and proceed |
| 10:35.07 | ptm | (then add it back) |
| 10:35.43 | jm_ | Lamex: then something generic probably applies |
| 10:36.12 | Lamex | ptm & jm_: ok thank you two, I will write a directory tag for it then |
| 10:36.17 | jm_ | Lamex: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#allowoverride |
| 10:36.25 | jm_ | similar for 2.0 |
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| 10:40.12 | tonix | hi guys, does anyone know how to download a file with wget in an arbitrary directory? something like wget http://url/file /my/path ? |
| 10:40.16 | tonix | thanks in advance! |
| 10:40.49 | ptm | tonix: try man wget, / -O (seach for '-O') |
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| 10:41.13 | ptm | tonix: not -o, -O |
| 10:41.23 | tonix | i read it, but -O option download only the standard output in a file! |
| 10:41.33 | tonix | and not the file |
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| 10:41.45 | ptm | tonix: ok, i rtfm... please hold |
| 10:42.13 | tonix | thanks ptm |
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| 10:43.16 | bibe | tonix : -P |
| 10:43.27 | bibe | tonix : or --directory-prefix |
| 10:43.38 | ptm | tonix: :-) thks; seriously, the -O option will dump whatever you ask (ASSUMING you ask for a single file) into what the -O target is.... what is happening? |
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| 10:44.18 | tonix | ptm, hold please, i try again with -O option... |
| 10:45.23 | tonix | ok ptm, the right syntax is wget -O /path/to/mydir http://url. thanks so much! |
| 10:45.31 | tonix | thanks so much to bibe too |
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| 10:45.51 | smard | hi all, I'm trying to compile/install a 2.6 kernel on my 2.4 machine. make, make modules_install, make install, works all good, and grub is pointing to the correct vmlinuz kernel, and the root reference in the grub menu.lst file is the same entry as every other kernel, yet when I boot using the new kernel, I get a kernel panic. Something about not being able to mount the root device.. ? |
| 10:46.18 | liable | !pal smard |
| 10:46.30 | liable | !wake up |
| 10:46.34 | SerajewelKS | dpkg is dead =/ |
| 10:46.37 | amphi | smard: you have support for your / fs type built in to the kernel? (not as a module) |
| 10:46.38 | smard | ? |
| 10:46.38 | liable | still.. |
| 10:46.50 | smard | yes, ext2 and ext3 |
| 10:47.04 | SerajewelKS | smard: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 10:47.06 | ptm | tonix: ok, see ya, enjoy mirroring the net! (just watch for that --recursive option :-) |
| 10:47.23 | smard | SerajewelKS because I want to |
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| 10:47.32 | mike | hi has anybody had any experince with autonegotion on networs |
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| 10:47.54 | SerajewelKS | ~poll |
| 10:47.56 | apt | Script for automating Fidonet polls. URL: http://www.drmach.demon.co.uk/vashti/software/index.html |
| 10:48.04 | SerajewelKS | ~bad polls |
| 10:48.05 | apt | Bad polls, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 10:48.07 | amphi | smard: ide support or whatever disk interface you have? |
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| 10:48.27 | bibe | smard : you also need all support for your hard disk controller, etc. built into your kernel. Or consider using mkinitrd |
| 10:48.29 | SerajewelKS | smard: you'll be happier with a debian 2.6 kernel package... |
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| 10:48.48 | smard | amphi yes, ide support |
| 10:48.51 | ptm | smard: check out http://kerneltrap.org/node/799 |
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| 10:49.03 | bulkdata | hi all |
| 10:49.10 | bibe | smard : SerajewelKS is right, try a kernel-image before compiling your own kernel |
| 10:49.16 | bibe | !hi bulkdata |
| 10:49.40 | ptm | serajewelKS: question: if smard installs a 2.6.x kernel package, will he have the "rest of the gear" to run 2.6? |
| 10:49.47 | smard | bibe why? |
| 10:49.53 | cusco | !java |
| 10:49.56 | SerajewelKS | ptm: "rest of the hear?" wtf? |
| 10:50.02 | smard | ptm I've read the changes documentation, and all the programs I have are up to date |
| 10:50.03 | SerajewelKS | ~java |
| 10:50.04 | apt | it has been said that java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see ... |
| 10:50.05 | cusco | what happend to dpkg? |
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| 10:50.09 | cusco | oh |
| 10:50.18 | SerajewelKS | cusco: he's sleeping or something |
| 10:50.22 | bulkdata | question: i have compiled aa 2.6.14 kernel for my Debian, but it complains that it cannot find root partition |
| 10:50.26 | bulkdata | what is wrong? |
| 10:50.40 | SerajewelKS | bulkdata: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 10:50.42 | smard | bulkdata probably the same problem I'm having |
| 10:50.46 | bulkdata | lol |
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| 10:50.49 | SerajewelKS | bulkdata: why not use a package? |
| 10:50.50 | antgel | dpkg: hello |
| 10:50.54 | bulkdata | i want to use a newer one |
| 10:51.04 | SerajewelKS | bulkdata: any specific reason? |
| 10:51.05 | ptm | sera': err, "rest of the GEAR", ie: things needed to successfully get 2.6 "working"... elaborate...? |
| 10:51.11 | bulkdata | there is not official package for 2.6.14.2 |
| 10:51.13 | bibe | smard : because a kernel image has most of the support built as a module, and uses initrd: so you won't have to build an initrd image yourself |
| 10:51.19 | bibe | bulkdata : yes |
| 10:51.33 | SerajewelKS | bulkdata: why do you want a newer kernel? does it offer some feature you need? |
| 10:51.41 | bulkdata | and how i create a initrd for my kernel? |
| 10:51.45 | bibe | bulkdata : linux-source-2.6.14 from sid includes .2 patch and many more |
| 10:51.57 | SerajewelKS | ptm: the kernel doesn't need anything else... |
| 10:51.58 | bibe | bulkdata : 'man mknitrd' |
| 10:52.02 | bulkdata | yes, SerajewelKS , i need newer radeon support |
| 10:52.20 | SerajewelKS | ptm: just a bootloader and an initrd |
| 10:52.37 | SerajewelKS | ptm: the kernel package includes everything needed to boot the kernel |
| 10:52.41 | valdyn_ | bulkdata: for which readeon card? |
| 10:52.44 | bibe | SerajewelKS : sometimes only a bootloader :) |
| 10:52.51 | bulkdata | 9800 |
| 10:53.00 | SerajewelKS | bibe: for old kernels, sure. we're talking about 2.7. |
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| 10:53.03 | SerajewelKS | 2.6 too |
| 10:53.06 | valdyn_ | bulkdata: and what is a newer kernel supposed to add for that card? |
| 10:53.08 | bulkdata | cannot get rid off a initrd? |
| 10:53.22 | bulkdata | valdyn_, nice suspend support |
| 10:53.29 | smard | the reason why I want to compile my own is because I don't want to automate everything |
| 10:53.31 | ams_ | bulkdata: surely you can |
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| 10:53.36 | valdyn_ | bulkdata: oh, i doubt it does that |
| 10:53.43 | tomas__ | How do i uncompress pkg.tar files? |
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| 10:53.52 | Guerin | tomas__: tar |
| 10:53.55 | bulkdata | valdyn_, read the changelogs, it surely does |
| 10:53.56 | blondie | tar files are not compresses |
| 10:53.59 | blondie | *compressed |
| 10:54.01 | SerajewelKS | smard: sounds like you'd be happier on slackware =) |
| 10:54.03 | ptm | smard: i think those comments about the root partition device may just be correct. i've done it too - forgotten to compile (not as a module) the root partition's filesystem. |
| 10:54.03 | bibe | SerajewelKS : 2.7? |
| 10:54.05 | valdyn_ | bulkdata: unless you have a ppc box |
| 10:54.07 | Guerin | tomas__: then use file(1) to find out what a .pkg thinks it is |
| 10:54.14 | SerajewelKS | bibe: < SerajewelKS> 2.6 too |
| 10:54.22 | bulkdata | valdyn_, what do you think i have? |
| 10:54.30 | tomas__ | Guerin: ye, I googled for syntaxes andI tried like 12 of these.. can't seem to find anyway to uncompress |
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| 10:55.05 | bulkdata | so, how exactly can i avoid using initrd? |
| 10:55.10 | Guerin | tomas__: tar x foo.pkg.tar |
| 10:55.21 | Guerin | tomas__: then use file(1) to find out what a .pkg thinks it is |
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| 10:55.37 | valdyn_ | bulkdata: by having compiled into your kernel everything required to load modules off your disk |
| 10:55.40 | Guerin | bulkdata: build your own kernel with the essential modules in |
| 10:55.41 | ChrisW | what's the right incantation to get both stdout and stderr to go to /dev/null? |
| 10:55.46 | Guerin | bulkdata: or use yaird or somthing like |
| 10:55.55 | Guerin | ChrisW: 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 10:55.57 | bulkdata | i already did compiled it like that |
| 10:56.02 | SerajewelKS | ChrisW: foo &> /dev/null |
| 10:56.10 | Guerin | bulkdata: then you don't need an initrd |
| 10:56.10 | bulkdata | ide support and reiser support in the kernel |
| 10:56.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: that will send stout, but not stderr |
| 10:56.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it will send both |
| 10:56.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: man bash |
| 10:56.30 | bulkdata | it complains it cannot find root partition |
| 10:56.34 | Syrus | VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
| 10:56.34 | Syrus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.43 | bulkdata | i have read about it and the problem seems udev related |
| 10:56.45 | valdyn_ | bulkdata: then you have not compiled in those things |
| 10:56.50 | bulkdata | devfs is not in newer kernels |
| 10:57.00 | ams_ | Guerin: and your command will send only stdout to /dev/null |
| 10:57.11 | TheCount | Syrus: do you change discs without unmounting them first? |
| 10:57.49 | bulkdata | valdyn_, i am sure i did, i am not new compiling kernels |
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| 10:57.59 | Syrus | last thing I unmounted was a flash card, I unmounted it with nautilus...perhaps that was the problem :p |
| 10:58.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: perl -le 'print "foo"; print STDERR "bar";' &> /dev/null |
| 10:58.19 | Guerin | eh |
| 10:58.32 | ChrisW | Guerin: thanks :-) |
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| 10:58.39 | Guerin | fd1 is stdout |
| 10:58.44 | Guerin | fd2 is stderr |
| 10:58.45 | Syrus | also, that's not mounted in mtab or anything....so why am I still getting this message? |
| 10:58.46 | ptm | SerajewelKS: yes, you're right vis-a-vis "rest of the gear"... just bad flashbacks from when i started regular kernel compiles. (still fearful about upgrading my woody box, or maybe that's just nostalgia :-) |
| 10:58.52 | Guerin | 2>&1 combines them |
| 10:58.56 | SerajewelKS | ptm: heh |
| 10:59.00 | Guerin | > /dev/null is obvious |
| 10:59.08 | Guerin | someone tlel me if i've lost my mind here |
| 10:59.11 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: &> is easier to type =P |
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| 10:59.21 | ams_ | Guerin: no, it makes stderr to point to stdout and THEN you redirect only stdout |
| 10:59.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: iirc it's > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 10:59.36 | ams_ | Guerin: the correct is the reversed order: > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 10:59.38 | Guerin | bah, ok, you're right |
| 10:59.46 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: another reason &> is nice.. less chance of messing it up |
| 10:59.51 | Guerin | !SerajewelKS++ |
| 11:00.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: thanks but dpkg is dead =( |
| 11:01.24 | SerajewelKS | ams_: it seems backwards to me though... "2>&1" seems to my brain as "fold stderr into stdout" then you redirect stdout, which is both |
| 11:01.34 | SerajewelKS | ams_: never made much sense to me |
| 11:02.04 | SimonRaven | @SerajewelKS++ |
| 11:02.09 | SimonRaven | rb isn't |
| 11:02.12 | SerajewelKS | ams_: it's like the shell-writing people got together and said "let's see how confusing we can make this" |
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| 11:02.41 | ams_ | SerajewelKS: :) yeah |
| 11:02.51 | ams_ | i use only &> myself |
| 11:02.51 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: you could order that however you want |
| 11:03.13 | ptm | err, ams_: just read the manual and *believe*. I've never worked it out either. faith, my son! |
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| 11:04.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn_: what? |
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| 11:04.36 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: well, it makes sense. you can redirect stderr to stdout but redirect stdout itself somewhere else this way. |
| 11:04.59 | valdyn_ | SerajewelKS: 2>&1 > /dev/null or > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 11:05.21 | ams_ | ok, let's put it this way: x>&y is dup(x) to y |
| 11:05.27 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: you could also do that by doing '> /dev/null 2>&1' if the world were perfect |
| 11:05.31 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: because it makes more sense |
| 11:05.40 | ams_ | valdyn_: no, it's not the same |
| 11:05.47 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: first you push stdout into /dev/null, then stderr gets pushed into stdout |
| 11:06.07 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: .. which you redirected before. does NOT make sense, sorry ;) |
| 11:06.10 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: so i guess the rule for redirection is you have to read right-to-left |
| 11:06.19 | Gumby | does anyone here use thunderbird? Wondering if it has a "Tasktray" docking function to it |
| 11:06.20 | pihhan | SerajewelKS: i think it does make sense |
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| 11:06.32 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: not if you're a procedural programmer |
| 11:06.39 | ams_ | valdyn_: from bash man: Redirections are processed in the order they appear, from left to right. |
| 11:06.54 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: hmm-hmm. see ams :) |
| 11:07.04 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: and I _am_ a procedural programmer ;) |
| 11:07.26 | ams_ | valdyn_: perl -e 'print STDERR "some"' 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 11:07.34 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: if you don't think about it in a abstract way but as an array of file pointers you fiddle with, it makes more sense. |
| 11:07.36 | SimonRaven | _test_ |
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| 11:07.55 | SimonRaven | oh, it's that underline colour thing i enabled... |
| 11:08.00 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: having "2>&1 > /dev/null" ultimately send stdout to /dev/null and stderr to stdout makes no sense |
| 11:08.04 | SimonRaven | *test* |
| 11:08.08 | SimonRaven | hm |
| 11:08.13 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: because stderr was folded into stdout *before* stdout was redirected |
| 11:08.27 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: to me it would make more sense that that would push both to /dev/null |
| 11:09.01 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: well - the fd stderr points to was copied from stdout before stdout was pointed somewhere else. |
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| 11:10.16 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: right... which is what is confusing to me. i look at redirection as a bunch of pipes. |
| 11:10.26 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: 2>&1 means that stdout and stdin are "merged" |
| 11:10.28 | SimonRaven | _test_ |
| 11:10.33 | SimonRaven | *test* |
| 11:10.40 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: >/dev/null means that stdout is connected to /dev/null |
| 11:10.42 | SimonRaven | ah, better. sorry folks |
| 11:10.49 | TheCount | .o( the most amazing fact about the bourne shell is that it was invented BEFORE LSD .. would have explained a lot ) |
| 11:10.50 | ptm | yo, SimonRaven, we read you.... |
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| 11:11.10 | smard | does anyone know why tor clients are banned in this channel? |
| 11:11.20 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: where the other way around ">/dev/null 2>&1" looks to me like the stdout pipe is connected to /dev/null, and then the stderr pipe is connected to stdin |
| 11:11.24 | ptm | TheCount: er, LSD...? |
| 11:11.25 | TheCount | .o( wth is a tor client? ) |
| 11:11.26 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: s/stdin/stdout/ |
| 11:11.35 | dimir | smard: because of the attacks |
| 11:11.38 | SimonRaven | !tor |
| 11:11.46 | SimonRaven | dpkg: wake up |
| 11:11.46 | smard | dimir attacks? |
| 11:11.49 | SerajewelKS | ~tor |
| 11:11.56 | SimonRaven | @tor |
| 11:12.07 | SerajewelKS | http://tor.eff.org |
| 11:12.09 | dimir | dmar: the tor network is often used by hackers. |
| 11:12.09 | SerajewelKS | there =) |
| 11:12.13 | SimonRaven | freenode site has it in the faq i think |
| 11:12.14 | SimonRaven | or that |
| 11:12.26 | dimir | smard even |
| 11:12.34 | tomas__ | tar x arm_elf_stl.pkg.tar returns othing :/ |
| 11:12.37 | TheCount | ptm: d-lysergic acid diethylamide .. |
| 11:12.38 | tomas__ | nothing |
| 11:12.40 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: see i hear that the shell is driven by the notion of piping things to other things |
| 11:12.43 | SimonRaven | dimir: 'hackers'? |
| 11:12.48 | smard | that's a pity then, a real shame when people who want to use something good like that and spoil it for everyone |
| 11:12.55 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: so when i try to apply that to redirections, i expect it to work that way.. but no, it's messing with fds =) |
| 11:13.06 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: uh - depends on the shell, doesn't it? pipes are a unix concept. |
| 11:13.12 | dimir | SimonRaven: not everyone trying things is an evil attacker. |
| 11:13.19 | smard | that must be a pretty recent addition, I was using tor on here the other day... |
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| 11:13.30 | ptm | smard: you get the good with the bad. that's the best and the worst. |
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| 11:13.44 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: well, my point is that thinking of shell redirections as pipes, and thinking of them as an array of fds are two opposite concepts |
| 11:13.48 | SimonRaven | yeh, but i feel a bit slighted to be referred to in a negative connotation |
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| 11:13.53 | SimonRaven | @hacker |
| 11:13.53 | ravenbird | well, hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://sine.com/essay/perversion-of-hacker.html, but Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity. |
| 11:14.32 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: well, we're mainly talking about bourne shell here - which is quite weird somewhoe .. |
| 11:14.37 | WoodyWoodpecker | I am running an RAID1 and one HD just crached |
| 11:14.41 | dimir | SimonRaven: OK, s/hacker/evil attacker/ |
| 11:14.44 | dimir | :-) |
| 11:14.45 | TheCount | s/somewhoe/somehow/ |
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| 11:14.54 | WoodyWoodpecker | Can I just push a nother HD with the same capability in |
| 11:14.54 | TheCount | WoodyWoodpecker: congrats! |
| 11:14.55 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: right... like i said, the whole redirection grammar seems to have been invented to confuse people |
| 11:15.00 | SimonRaven | dimir: :) |
| 11:15.01 | _NiC | has anyone set up directadmin on debian 3.1? |
| 11:15.04 | smard | do people really give a shit? hacker/cracker/pimp/hoe, all the same, different names different situations, but who really cares? |
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| 11:15.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or what do I _really_ have to do for setting up a nother one |
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| 11:15.29 | WoodyWoodpecker | TheCount: Well thanks :-) |
| 11:15.30 | blondie | "another" is one word |
| 11:15.31 | ptm | smard: yes, it does make a difference |
| 11:15.38 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: at least people who take the "the power of the shell is piping stuff" evangelism literally |
| 11:15.39 | pem3v78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.46 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: or 'if .. fi' 'case .. esac' but 'while .. do .. done' .. muuah |
| 11:15.48 | SimonRaven | smard: clarifying of FUD propagated by MSM |
| 11:15.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | blondie: Want to talk german :-) |
| 11:15.53 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: because if you think of it in terms of pipes, it breaks down immediately |
| 11:15.55 | jm_ | pem3v78: status offline is fine |
| 11:16.00 | blondie | pem3v78: that status isn't necessarily the case |
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| 11:16.02 | smard | ptm: not really, a thing is just a thing, but people try to apply meaning to things which don't need any |
| 11:16.03 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: yeah and there's what =) |
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| 11:16.09 | SerajewelKS | TheCount: s/what/that/ |
| 11:16.12 | TheCount | SerajewelKS: well - stderr doesn't mix well with pipes, does it? ;) |
| 11:16.15 | SimonRaven | @MSM is <reply> mainstream media |
| 11:16.15 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 11:16.23 | TheCount | WoodyWoodpecker: yes, you can :) |
| 11:16.26 | pem3v78 | I wonder what is wrong |
| 11:16.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | Can I just push it in, without doing partitioning ? |
| 11:16.26 | _NiC | pem3v78: most of my serialconsole-communications happens with status offline i think.. :) |
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| 11:16.29 | ams_ | TheCount: why? it does |
| 11:16.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | TheCound: Just push it in |
| 11:16.47 | rmrfchik | what's wrong with packages.debian.org? |
| 11:16.48 | karsten | TheCount: It's a bit troublesome to split streams, but it can be done. FIFOs are useful. |
| 11:16.52 | TheCount | WoodyWoodpecker: no, you can't. (pssst: visit us on #debian-de) |
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| 11:16.56 | pem3v78 | I connected the box to windoze and it worked so it must work with linux too :) |
| 11:17.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | TheCount: Great, I`ll be there |
| 11:17.11 | TheCount | ams_: how do you do it without pain? ;) |
| 11:17.28 | ams_ | TheCount: foo 2>&1 | bar |
| 11:17.30 | _NiC | pem3v78: make sure you have permission to access the device for the comport |
| 11:17.42 | SimonRaven | smard: ok, so what am i talking about here: this thing which does this is going to be inserted into that thing, to accomplish that |
| 11:17.43 | TheCount | ams_: DUH - what if I need stdout as well? ;) |
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| 11:17.47 | ptm | smard: true enough, but we judge others by the amount we believe them to know, and hackers don't call crackers hackers. but, i certainly would agree that providing the message gets across, one doesn't really care what they are called. the message is central. |
| 11:17.49 | pem3v78 | I'm root |
| 11:18.06 | _NiC | pem3v78: serialports are supported in your kernel i suppose? |
| 11:18.16 | ams_ | TheCount: it redirects both stdout and stderr to the pipe |
| 11:18.31 | ptm | pem3v78: that's nice, dear! |
| 11:18.42 | TheCount | ams_: yes, of course - but how do I use them seperately afterwards? ;) that's what I'm talking about |
| 11:18.51 | karsten | SimonRaven: Are you sure you want to be talking about that in public? |
| 11:18.52 | ams_ | TheCount: ah |
| 11:19.00 | karsten | TheCount: FIFOs. |
| 11:19.03 | SimonRaven | karsten: of course |
| 11:19.05 | TheCount | karsten: yes, they are :) but it's painful and doesn't really mix well with piping like we're talking about it :) |
| 11:19.25 | cmo | i'm trying to install debian on pc with seagate sata harddisk of 120G. but the installer can not identify my hard disk, and stops at the partationing setp. are seagate sata HDD supported? |
| 11:19.39 | ptm | karsten: :-) i'm sure he's only kidding... aren't you... SimonRaven? |
| 11:19.56 | pem3v78 | great, success thanks |
| 11:20.13 | karsten | TheCount: Well, you _can_ just stream all stdout into one FIFO, all stderr into another, and sort out the mess. Depends on whether or not you need to coordinate them later. |
| 11:20.25 | whitehorse1 | cmo debian sarge? etch? |
| 11:20.37 | cmo | sarge (14 CDs) |
| 11:20.51 | karsten | TheCount: ... generally, what you want is to log errors (write to file) and stream output. If you've got a program that's emitting useful data as stderr, you've got a problem. |
| 11:20.59 | karsten | TheCount: ... specifically, a design problem. |
| 11:21.09 | smard | why is the kernel-image 2.6.8, but the kernel source is up to 2.6.14? |
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| 11:21.17 | TheCount | karsten: that's what I was talking about. pipes and stderr don't mix neatly. |
| 11:21.22 | linex | hi+ |
| 11:21.31 | ptm | smard: 'cause debian maintainers are lazy |
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| 11:21.36 | ptm | smard: and not paid |
| 11:21.37 | zeeble | ptm: hehe |
| 11:21.41 | karsten | TheCount: My point is that there aren't a great many cases where you can make a good argument that they _should_ mix. |
| 11:21.46 | SimonRaven | you'd think that someone in a technical field would realise the importance of precise language, but i guess not... |
| 11:21.46 | cmo | i noticed at the help screen that i may provide extra params at boot, i looked and found something like ( sat0x=mem_base, irq) but it did not work also! |
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| 11:22.13 | TheCount | karsten: yes - which is why the point about the redirection problems is moot wrt piping to me. |
| 11:22.24 | karsten | TheCount: ... the existing infrastructure gives you a nice, simple, and reasonably robust system. You could muck about with streams and split data paths and all that, but only at the cost of a great many more complications. |
| 11:22.37 | karsten | TheCount: ... I'll admit at this point that I missed the start of the discussion. |
| 11:22.58 | bibe | smard : sid linux-source is already up to 2.6.14.2 |
| 11:23.08 | TheCount | karsten: .. it was about the pains of bash redirection .. |
| 11:23.10 | ptm | SimonRaven: precise, yes, sometimes... but we are only human (well, i am :-) |
| 11:23.21 | whitehorse1 | cmo did you try expert mode and select a newer kernel version from the choices, when prompted? other than that I couldn't say what the prob is. There was an issue with partitioning in debian installer but this was in the installer that came with testing aka etch not stable aka sarge. |
| 11:23.36 | bibe | smard : I meant, linux-image too |
| 11:23.38 | karsten | TheCount: Could be worse. Try redirection in csh ;-) |
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| 11:23.52 | whitehorse1 | bibe Ah, that explains fgrlx releasing kernel modules to support 2.6.14.2 |
| 11:23.53 | TheCount | karsten: .. and pipes syntax making sense, but redirection syntax not .. and my point about stderr / pipes was that they don't mix well anyhow |
| 11:23.58 | TheCount | karsten: NO WAY |
| 11:24.01 | karsten | TheCount: ;-) |
| 11:24.22 | bibe | whitehorse1 : where are fglrx modules released? |
| 11:24.28 | whitehorse1 | bibe now I think of it fgrlx might be in experimental now. or maybe it's my imagination |
| 11:24.31 | karsten | TheCount: I think the problem is that they mix _too_ well. cmd 2>&1 | cmd2 |
| 11:24.35 | smard | bibe: sid is unstable version yeah? |
| 11:24.35 | Kamping_Kaise1 | what's the partitioner that Woody uses during install? |
| 11:24.43 | karsten | TheCount: ... and you can't tell your stderr from your stdout. |
| 11:24.43 | ptm | smard: if you are hell bent on compiling the latest and greatest, try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html and you can package to your heart's content! |
| 11:24.49 | whitehorse1 | bibe from flavio's repository (external website) |
| 11:24.59 | karsten | Kamping_Kaise1: Probably cfdisk |
| 11:25.12 | bibe | smard : yes, but I use to install linux-source-2.6.14 on sarge and compile my own kernel from there |
| 11:25.22 | bibe | whitehorse1 : ah, ok |
| 11:25.26 | Kamping_Kaise1 | karsten: ok. thanks. I'm having problems working out how to use it, and i need to know what it is to find help on it ;O |
| 11:25.40 | TheCount | karsten: bevor ich dich stranguliere: well, I guess you get my point somehow ;) |
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| 11:26.02 | karsten | TheCount: <gasp> |
| 11:26.34 | TheCount | karsten: this discussion was leading nowhere ;) |
| 11:26.46 | karsten | TheCount: I'd argue that you're pushing your tools too hard and probably want something like Python or Perl, at the least, to handle your input/output streams more flexibly. |
| 11:26.52 | smard | ptm: sorry, I haven't used debian in years and lost touch with packaging etc, i've read what you are referring to but i don't see the point in doing that if I can't get a working self-compiled kernel to work in the first place |
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| 11:28.03 | ptm | smard: fair point mate, but that will at least package your efforts (think uninstall here)... but your problem was a kernel panic, right? |
| 11:28.27 | TheCount | karsten: it's not me! help! drop it! *laugh* ;) |
| 11:28.31 | smard | ptm: yup |
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| 11:30.02 | karsten | TheCount: ... außer, selten kann ich ein Deutscher verrück gemacht ;-) |
| 11:30.16 | ams_ | :) |
| 11:30.16 | karsten | TheCount: ... or something like that. |
| 11:30.33 | karsten | s/ein/einer/ |
| 11:30.37 | smard | ptm: I can't see my wireless card in 2.4, so i'm trying 2.6 to see if that will help, not sure though. i'm trying to patch the kernel with the madwifi package, but even that I'm not sure i'm doing right |
| 11:30.38 | TheCount | karsten: |
| 11:30.56 | karsten | TheCount: Ja? |
| 11:31.06 | EdLin | !de |
| 11:31.06 | TheCount | karsten: I'm at a loss ;) |
| 11:31.15 | karsten | !lose TheCount |
| 11:31.17 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 11:31.20 | karsten | TheCount-- |
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| 11:31.38 | EdLin | dpkg: test |
| 11:31.50 | karsten | EdLin: Failed. |
| 11:32.04 | whitehorse1 | hmm all that debian lex mailing list gets is spam. poor list. |
| 11:32.10 | TheCount | !honk karsten |
| 11:32.15 | ams_ | dpkg, RIP |
| 11:32.18 | karsten | @bed TheCount |
| 11:32.26 | ptm | smart: right. you have got to be missing something. i've read the irc history, and you are missing something. yep, nothing for it. you are missing something. ok, you have ext2/3. what about controllers for your IDE interface, etc, etc... if you are getting a root panic, then there is something missing. what about comparing the dmesg from your working kernel to that of your panic kernel???? |
| 11:32.46 | smard | has anyone here got a wireless card (pci) working in debian? |
| 11:32.53 | whitehorse1 | grr stupid ksirc |
| 11:32.56 | pawan | how normal is it for the hwclock and the system clock to be out of sync by 3 seconds, about 3 hours after an ntp timesync? |
| 11:33.02 | EdLin | @polls |
| 11:33.03 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid badgers will hurt you. |
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| 11:33.19 | TheCount | karsten: why, thank you *g* |
| 11:33.25 | karsten | pawan: Depends on the hwclock. Check the battery. |
| 11:33.25 | smard | ptm: the first thing that struck me looking at the grub menu.lst file was that all the other kernels had a initrd.img file reference, could that be it? |
| 11:33.31 | karsten | TheCount: NP ;-) |
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| 11:34.04 | pawan | karsten : wondering if it could cause the system to crash. Which would be pathetic of an OS. |
| 11:34.21 | ams_ | smard: standard kernels use initrd, but if you compile your own you can work without initrd |
| 11:34.27 | Toastie_ | When I try to upgrade to a package in experimental, I do apt-get -t experimental install package, but if that package depends on another experimental package, that other package doesn't get installed automatically. How can I make it get all depends? |
| 11:34.37 | ptm | smard: good detective work, but only if you compiled the kernel with initrd support... (I never compile my custom kernels with initrd, but the debian 2.6.x versions always seem to use them) |
| 11:34.43 | karsten | pawan: Not really. hwclock IIUC is only used to set the system clock at boot. |
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| 11:34.50 | pawan | my ubuntu breezy on a p4 keeps crashing. I was wondering how to increase the log level from gnome. |
| 11:34.54 | karsten | pawan: Any self-respecting system clock is running ntpd anyway. |
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| 11:35.00 | EdLin | pawan: /topic |
| 11:35.09 | karsten | pawan: man sysklogd |
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| 11:35.28 | karsten | pawan: WRT topic, specifically #ubuntu. |
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| 11:35.49 | karsten | pawan: Check your capacitors. |
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| 11:36.02 | ptm | smard: and that whole madwifi thing.... sometimes your wifi card just is not going to work. save yourself the hassle and check with the madwifi page - is yours *really* supported???? how much is your time worth? (and this is me, talking on irc, biggest timewaster i have found yet ;-) |
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| 11:36.15 | pawan | #ubuntu is filled with clueless people who don't know much. Hence debian, which is a <brown nose>clueful channel</brown nose> most of the time. |
| 11:36.23 | EdLin | @they don't know |
| 11:36.24 | ravenbird | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:36.26 | karsten | pawan: http://news.com.com/2300-1041-5940552.html |
| 11:36.43 | karsten | pawan: Suggest you forget the 'u' word here. |
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| 11:36.47 | pawan | sure, but are debian users experiencing this kind of freeze, then crash? |
| 11:36.59 | karsten | pawan: There's a reason I'm suggesting you check your caps. |
| 11:37.37 | pawan | karsten : have you experienced that problem? Does it freeze your box? |
| 11:37.37 | karsten | pawan: Otherwise, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, /var/log/kern.log may be useful. cd /var/log; ls -lt | head -20 |
| 11:37.44 | karsten | pawan: ... and read the top few listings. |
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| 11:37.50 | karsten | pawan: I repeat myself. |
| 11:37.59 | smard | so what is initrd used for then? sorry, i'm not on debian atm. I'm pretty sure my card is supported, its listed in the aircrack documentation |
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| 11:38.11 | pawan | karsten : nothing was in the default logs. smartd turned up nothing too. |
| 11:38.15 | karsten | pawan: hardware problems will have that effect, and you can visually spot bad caps quite easilly. |
| 11:38.41 | nakeee | initrd is for modules which need to be loaded before the kernel can read from the root |
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| 11:38.41 | karsten | pawan: ... and there's not much in the logs. Last time before you go on /ignore. Look at your hardware. |
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| 11:39.07 | ptm | smard: it's a way of using a standardised kernel with differing hardware configs. that's where my knowedge runs out. anyone else? |
| 11:39.20 | karsten | @tell pawan about clues for the clueful |
| 11:39.29 | TheCount | @they |
| 11:39.29 | ravenbird | They are watching you. They know what you're doing. |
| 11:39.34 | karsten | ptm: initrds can be created locally. |
| 11:39.57 | ptm | karsten: yeahummm, eh? |
| 11:39.58 | karsten | ptm: ... while compiling everything necessary into the kernel requires either *very* large kernels, or a large number of different kenrels. |
| 11:40.28 | ptm | karsten: keep going.... |
| 11:40.33 | karsten | ptm: ... so initrds allow distributing a smallish number of stock kernels while maximising the HW coverage by generating an initrd locally when the kernel's installed. |
| 11:40.42 | Roey | anyone here used WebScarab or WebGoat on Debian? |
| 11:40.54 | karsten | ptm: We wouldn't want all our Debian mirrors running out of space on kernel builds alone. |
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| 11:41.00 | ptm | karsten: ok, got that bit. |
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| 11:41.34 | nakeee | bah installing udev in etch still tries to remove hotplug |
| 11:41.45 | karsten | ptm: They also make dealing with changes on your local config a bit easier. Instead of building (and installing, and testing, and rebuilding, and retesting, rinse, wash, repent) kernels, you make a new initrd. |
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| 11:42.07 | liable | nakeee: thats cause it replaces it.. |
| 11:42.07 | Toastie_ | When I try to upgrade to a package in experimental, I do apt-get -t experimental install package, but if that package depends on another experimental package, that other package doesn't get installed automatically. How can I make it get all depends? |
| 11:42.26 | liable | nakeee: aptitude changelog udev |
| 11:42.26 | karsten | pawan: If you're lucky, there's gooey brown stuff leaking out. Harder to spot are swollen caps. You can have damage w/o overt signs, but look for the obvious shit. |
| 11:43.11 | karsten | pawan: memtest86 and cpuburn are a few other things you can try. I found that the former would eventually crap out my box when it had bad caps (yes, in other words, I went through this). It's a pretty widespread problem presently. |
| 11:43.12 | ptm | karsten: interesting, although the force is strong, i must learn this deeply another day.... |
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| 11:43.22 | karsten | ptm: Remember. |
| 11:43.23 | pawan | karsten : these caps would be in the smps or what? |
| 11:43.28 | karsten | ptm: Sticky side down. |
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| 11:43.33 | whitehorse1 | g |
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| 11:43.40 | karsten | pawan: Anywhere on your mobo. |
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| 11:43.48 | karsten | pawan: Cylinders, standing off the board. |
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| 11:43.50 | pawan | karsten : memtest showed no probls. thanks for the tip on cpuburn |
| 11:44.00 | ptm | karsten: :-) err, give me double sided sticky anyday, any thanks. |
| 11:44.01 | karsten | pawan: Run multiple cycles. I'd kick it off overnight. |
| 11:44.40 | karsten | pawan: ... and looping kernel builds at "make -j8" or better is a good stress, sig11 errors tend to indicate HW failure. |
| 11:44.43 | nakeee | liable, I read the changelog, but it wasn't clear if it actually replaces it or just replace some files out of it |
| 11:45.01 | pawan | karsten : good idea. I only ran memtest for an hour. The problem happens after a few hours. Say twice a day. Very ms-windows-like freezing. |
| 11:45.03 | karsten | ptm: Let me sign you up for the Double-Sided Sticky-Tape of the Day mail-order club... |
| 11:45.08 | karsten | ptm: ... your street address? |
| 11:45.14 | tchino | how can i get ##linux, i don't understand identify, and the user tchino exists |
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| 11:45.45 | liable | nakeee: yeah its not so clear in the changelog, but, yes, it replaces hotplug. |
| 11:45.51 | ptm | karsten: 1 home street, homeville, australia. mate. |
| 11:45.56 | karsten | pawan: Right. My case it was a period of flaky behavior, then hard lock, occasionally an oops a few minutes beforehand. Two summers ago. Very frustrating. |
| 11:46.12 | karsten | ptm: O shit. Overseas shipping.... |
| 11:46.42 | ptm | yeah. but the beaches are nice.... |
| 11:47.11 | pawan | no oops. just gradual freeze to a state of no response. No cpu/network/disk activity showing up. Screwy ram I'd expect to flake out in different ways. |
| 11:47.11 | karsten | ptm: NSW? |
| 11:47.34 | SimonRaven | @debhelper++ |
| 11:47.37 | ptm | karsten: yes, sydney |
| 11:47.38 | pawan | It could be a heating up problem. But temp never gets above 40 or so (smartd logs) |
| 11:47.44 | karsten | pawan: vmstat, iostat, top, and free, looped, would be good stuff to log. |
| 11:47.51 | pawan | but it could be the cpu only. |
| 11:47.54 | karsten | ptm: Dig. Been there. And right nice. |
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| 11:48.21 | karsten | pawan: That tends to be sig11 errors. I'd go through logs, as suggested. Actually, I'm going to saw through logs. |
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| 11:55.33 | *** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 11:55.34 | nakeee | any idea how i can find what the problem is? |
| 11:56.06 | whitehorse1 | nakee uname -r? |
| 11:56.21 | whitehorse1 | nakee udev does require a newish kernel version |
| 11:57.13 | whitehorse1 | Does anyone here use EditPad Pro on the Debian system? Mmm, I know it's an impromptu straw poll but well, I'm curious. |
| 11:57.19 | valdyn_ | nakeee: stop or kill udevd manually, try dpkg --configure -a, restart udevd |
| 11:57.23 | nakeee | whitehorse1, 2.6.13.3 |
| 11:57.49 | nakeee | valdyn_, that worked thanks:) |
| 11:58.05 | whitehorse1 | nakee ah that's fine. |
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| 12:02.05 | ben`weg | Small question, how can i boot in rescue mode from cd to just mount a filesystem and change something? |
| 12:02.37 | ben`weg | I got a broken lib file in /var/lib/tls and now its not booting in normal or recovery mode :) |
| 12:02.43 | rafa | hello |
| 12:02.49 | ben`weg | */lib/tls that is |
| 12:02.49 | rafa | esto q es?"en ingles o q? |
| 12:02.50 | rafa | xD |
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| 12:03.35 | whitehorse1 | rafa #debian-es |
| 12:03.36 | Thanatermesis | Seagate, Hitachi, Western Digital... What is the better hard disk IYHO ? |
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| 12:06.09 | whitehorse1 | Thanatermesis: Well, Hitachi are okay, they took over IBMs drivemaking and under their Deskstar brand they're now quite good. Western Digital are veterans but I don't know if they're still at the top of their game. Both Samsung and Segate offer warranties of three and five years respectively, on their drives; many companies are only offering 1yr warranties these days. I'd say Seagate is the strongest |
| 12:07.29 | sanus | why is --initrd necessary when making 2.6 kernels with make-kpkg? |
| 12:08.03 | Thanatermesis | i have now a Maxtor hard disk whitehorse1 , but i have a lot of problems now with my data, errors messages of the hda from the kernel... i need to recover my data, the only way for me is buy another hard disk and copy, and i need now a GOOD hard disk... not this f**** bad toy |
| 12:08.06 | dli | sanus, not necessary unless you use initrd |
| 12:08.12 | cahoot | sanus: only if you choose to use initrd |
| 12:08.18 | bibe | sanus : you can avoid it if you don't use initrd |
| 12:08.33 | Thanatermesis | all peple speak about western digital is the better hard disk |
| 12:08.48 | dli | Thanatermesis, what about IBM? |
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| 12:09.10 | sanus | isnt initrd necessary? without initrd my kernel wouldnt boot :S |
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| 12:09.31 | dli | sanus, disable initrd in make menuconfig |
| 12:09.32 | Daedalus_ | Well... |
| 12:09.50 | whitehorse1 | Thanatermesis: I could've told you about Maxtors having probs. ;p | dli: Hitachi took over IBMs drivemaking side |
| 12:09.54 | Thanatermesis | dli, i don't know... but i know a bad hard disk from ibm... im not like to test now :) |
| 12:09.55 | EdLin | sanus: initrd is neccesary only if you make your hard drive interface and root filesystem as modules. |
| 12:10.03 | dli | sanus, make basic drivers built in |
| 12:10.26 | sanus | dli: is there any advantage of not using initrd |
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| 12:10.35 | sanus | dli: they already are |
| 12:10.55 | dli | sanus, it's insane to use initrd for your own custom kernel |
| 12:11.03 | Daedalus_ | sanus: initrd images contain kernel modules for important things like IDE drivers and the like. If you don't want to have to use initrd, compile in such features instead of making them modules. |
| 12:11.13 | Thanatermesis | i have a hitachi in the portable computer whitehorse1 , works good but have a lot os "click" sounds... also i have this from 2-3 years without any problem |
| 12:11.20 | whitehorse1 | Western Digital is fine afaik. Not the quietest/fastest compared to say seagate these days though. They've been going a lot've years. I advise you too check the warranty length per my comments above |
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| 12:11.58 | smard | is initrd different from using a ramdisk? |
| 12:12.04 | whitehorse1 | if they stand behind their product with a 3-5yr warranty versus a 1yr only then that says something. |
| 12:12.18 | Daedalus_ | smard: initrd == initial ramdisk |
| 12:12.30 | smard | so related then |
| 12:12.33 | Daedalus_ | Yup |
| 12:12.51 | smard | because i'm not sure what I put in for my ramdisk settings in menuconfig.. maybe that's where i'm going wrong |
| 12:13.17 | Daedalus_ | Entirely possible. If you disable ramdisk support, you'll have a hell of a time getting initrd to work :) |
| 12:13.25 | Daedalus_ | Translation: it won't |
| 12:13.38 | dli | whitehorse1 which ones offer 3+ year warranty? |
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| 12:14.08 | smard | but if I disable both, and built in support for my fs', i should be right? |
| 12:14.47 | smard | i mean compile support for ext2/3 in the kernel |
| 12:14.49 | Daedalus_ | smard: support for fs, support for IDE/SATA (or whatever), support for anythign you'll need to mount your disk basically |
| 12:15.03 | smard | sweet |
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| 12:15.40 | whitehorse1 | dli Samsung and Seagate offer warranties of three and five years respectively, on their drives; many companies are only offering 1yr warranties these days. |
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| 12:16.18 | Daedalus_ | whitehorse1, dli: Western Dig is still offering 3 adn 5 yr warranties. Just don't get a refurb or whitelabel |
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| 12:17.36 | dli | whitehorse1, Daedalus_ I just bought a FUJITSU MHT2080AT, I think it's 3 year |
| 12:17.48 | relic | 1 solid hdd > N bad hdds in N years |
| 12:17.59 | relic | :) |
| 12:18.05 | Daedalus_ | relic: amen |
| 12:18.10 | relic | ha ha |
| 12:18.16 | dli | Daedalus_, my ibm is already over 4 year old :) |
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| 12:18.40 | relic | I prefer the Q brand hard drive :) |
| 12:18.53 | relic | like a tank |
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| 12:19.07 | Syrus | I have the zd1211 802.11b/g chipset kernel module source, what's the best way to compile that? It doesn't appear in the module-assistant module list |
| 12:19.23 | dli | relic, buy several and run software raid-1 |
| 12:19.32 | relic | wow~ |
| 12:19.42 | Syrus | should I get the kernel-headers for my current kernel, link them into /usr/src/linux and then compile? |
| 12:19.49 | relic | scsi Q hdd, hehe |
| 12:19.57 | Syrus | I had a few problems with that method |
| 12:19.57 | Daedalus_ | Syrus: sounds about right |
| 12:19.58 | dli | Syrus, no |
| 12:20.06 | Syrus | dli: what would you suggest? |
| 12:20.36 | Thanatermesis | yes whitehorse1 , the western digital of i look now, have 3 years of warranty |
| 12:20.46 | dli | Syrus, I think you can go ahead |
| 12:20.51 | Syrus | hm |
| 12:20.56 | relic | dli, the bad hdds+soft raid = performace+data killer |
| 12:21.02 | tarzeau | ahhh new 2.4 kernels |
| 12:21.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:21.23 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 12:21.24 | apt | rumour has it, popularity contest is http://people.debian.org/~apenwarr/popcon/, or install popularity-contest to take part |
| 12:21.45 | takatumi | tarzeau: ain't you fed up with these new kernels? |
| 12:21.51 | relic | tarzeau, request? |
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| 12:22.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: nah, i build my own, since debian kernels don't support half the hardware |
| 12:22.11 | tarzeau | relic: which request? |
| 12:22.14 | tarzeau | apt forget popcon |
| 12:22.14 | apt | tarzeau: i forgot popcon |
| 12:22.24 | relic | tarzeau, popcorn |
| 12:22.28 | tarzeau | apt popcon is rumour has it, popularity contest is http://popcon.debian.org/, or install popularity-contest to take part |
| 12:22.29 | apt | tarzeau: okay |
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| 12:22.51 | tarzeau | relic: no, i hope everybody in here has it installed now. or i have to keep requesting it everyday |
| 12:23.04 | relic | oh |
| 12:23.16 | relic | I am obsolete... |
| 12:24.56 | FlopsyPete | I haven't updated my Testing for 2 months. I heard from someone they'd had a problem with glibc causing a circular dependancy breaking their whole system that still hadn't been solved. is this actually a big issue currently or just heresay? |
| 12:25.09 | Daedalus_ | Is dpkg dead? |
| 12:25.12 | tarzeau | FlopsyPete: hehe you're funny |
| 12:25.14 | tarzeau | Daedalus_: yes she is |
| 12:25.22 | Daedalus_ | Awww. For good? |
| 12:25.31 | FlopsyPete | tarzeau: what do you mean? |
| 12:25.52 | tarzeau | FlopsyPete: yes do update your testing |
| 12:25.59 | FlopsyPete | ok |
| 12:26.02 | whitehorse1 | popcorn isn't much good since you have to run your own mailserver on yr standalone machine to take part :( |
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| 12:26.14 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: that's not true, you can do http submissions |
| 12:26.31 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: just install it, do dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest |
| 12:26.36 | Flamethrower | I'm trying to 'make xconfig' and keep getting this error: make: *** No rule to make target `xconfig'. Stop. |
| 12:26.38 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: or you could just put nullmailer too |
| 12:26.41 | Flamethrower | Any clue as to what's wrong? |
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| 12:27.10 | whitehorse1 | tarzeau: really? I didn't know that. I've installed it but it doesn't send out anything. Ill try that now. my mailserver stuff is just localhost@ ~ null basically |
| 12:27.16 | relic | FlopsyPete, time will solve it I think |
| 12:27.22 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: am I to assume you're trying to compile a kernel? |
| 12:27.24 | takatumi | Flamethrower: are you in the right directory? |
| 12:27.28 | Flamethrower | Yes, Daedalus. |
| 12:27.43 | Flamethrower | Takatumi, the X11 dir? |
| 12:28.15 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: try the root of your kernel source (/usr/src/linux or similar) |
| 12:28.20 | whitehorse1 | tarzeau: thank you, reconfigured. does it somehow send out data via http automatically behgind-the-scenes, if I have an active net connection? |
| 12:28.24 | Flamethrower | Thx Daedalus. |
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| 12:29.00 | Flamethrower | Damn... make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 |
| 12:29.19 | Flamethrower | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck] Error 1 |
| 12:29.31 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: see /etc/cron.weekly/ |
| 12:29.39 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: it does so weekly |
| 12:29.51 | ams_ | Flamethrower: apt-get install libqt-dev |
| 12:30.09 | Flamethrower | I was just apt-cache searching QT dev ^^ |
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| 12:31.04 | whitehorse1 | ohh I have to configure cron to do it. |
| 12:31.33 | Flamethrower | qconf: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 12:31.33 | Flamethrower | make[1]: *** [xconfig] Error 1 |
| 12:31.33 | Flamethrower | make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 |
| 12:31.40 | Flamethrower | Grr, I'd paste that into one line if I could. |
| 12:32.06 | Flamethrower | Think I may have fixed that, hold on.. |
| 12:33.02 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: xauth problem. Many ways to fix. Most are dirtier than you might want. |
| 12:33.13 | Daedalus_ | tarzeau: is dpkg gone for good? |
| 12:33.22 | tarzeau | Daedalus_: she's gone. i don't know more than you |
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| 12:33.37 | Daedalus_ | Hrmpf |
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| 12:33.47 | jm_ | @tell Flamethrower -about sux |
| 12:33.51 | ratacusbear | hi all |
| 12:34.12 | ratacusbear | when i reboot alsamixer is reset and everything is volume 0 + muted |
| 12:34.13 | tarzeau | i wonder how i can run a 2.2.26 linux kernel with sarge? |
| 12:34.18 | tarzeau | or a 2.0.40 one even |
| 12:34.21 | ratacusbear | how can i save alsamixer settings? |
| 12:34.31 | jm_ | ratacusbear: use alsactl so store the settings |
| 12:34.33 | tarzeau | ratacusbear: care to read the manual of it? |
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| 12:35.04 | ratacusbear | bash: alsactl: command not found |
| 12:35.17 | Flamethrower | What the hell is the AMD Elan subarch? |
| 12:35.22 | Flamethrower | I've never herad of it :/ |
| 12:35.24 | whitehorse1 | tarzeau heck, run minux c.1996 |
| 12:35.28 | Daedalus_ | ratacusbear: that's a 'feature' of alsa. Use alsactl. You may have to apt-get install alsa-utils or something similar |
| 12:35.38 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: i've tried minix3 but it didn't support my intel nic, nor my sound card |
| 12:35.47 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: but i'm happy with gnu/kfreebsd 5.3 now |
| 12:35.51 | tarzeau | 5.4 even |
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| 12:35.57 | whitehorse1 | nod |
| 12:36.00 | ratacusbear | alsa-utils is already installed |
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| 12:36.09 | tarzeau | it's just many debian packages are linux centric |
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| 12:36.42 | whitehorse1 | true, renaming of k*image to l*image being one example of catchup |
| 12:36.47 | poncha|work | guys, i have up'ed vim on my sid box to 6.4-001+2 (from 6.3 smth) and now it looks for syntax files in wrong directory [ unable /usr/share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim ] . is there anything to do besides temporary solution i made now (symlink inexistant /usr/share/vim/syntax to real /usr/share/vim/vim64/syntax ) ? |
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| 12:38.16 | poncha|work | bon appetite, whitehorse1 ;) denying our own impulses is denying the very thing that makes us human (c) :) |
| 12:38.31 | Daedalus_ | ratacusbear: have you tried as root (or looked in /sbin or /usr/sbin?) |
| 12:38.36 | Daedalus_ | D'oh |
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| 12:41.13 | whitehorse1 | merci :) |
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| 12:41.40 | lesshaste | what is the pdf viewer that kile uses? |
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| 12:43.42 | Syrus | got it working |
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| 12:43.50 | Syrus | just didn't have awk installled... |
| 12:44.03 | Syrus | (and it failed to complain much) |
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| 12:44.50 | Andy837 | how can i delete a non empty directory and its contents? |
| 12:45.07 | smard | rm -rf |
| 12:45.10 | dvm1981 | rm -r DIRECTORY |
| 12:45.10 | valdyn_ | ravenbird: /usr/sbin/alsactl store |
| 12:45.11 | ravenbird | valdyn_: i haven't a clue |
| 12:45.16 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 12:45.18 | valdyn_ | hah, ops |
| 12:45.58 | poncha|work | err |
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| 12:46.53 | poncha|work | this damn thing looks for /usr/share/vim/ instead of /usr/share/vim/vim64/ in everything... now it could not show help cause it looked for /usr/share/vim/doc/help.txt |
| 12:47.01 | poncha|work | what may be wrong with it? :) |
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| 12:48.49 | dvm1981 | An good book about Sarge, suggestions ? I have look about it, it's new, and not so much choices |
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| 12:49.10 | valdyn_ | dvm1981: it has to be printed? |
| 12:49.19 | Flamethrower | Hah. |
| 12:49.33 | Flamethrower | I think I just unwittingly fixed my SBLive undetection problem. |
| 12:49.53 | Flamethrower | If I'm right, it'll work with the new kernel when compilation is done. |
| 12:49.59 | dvm1981 | electronical (pdf or so) or i will be invested in good stuff (a good book):-) |
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| 12:51.25 | dvm1981 | i have read "O'Reilly - learning Debian GNU/Linux", and will read more about Debian (Sarge) |
| 12:52.35 | Daedalus_ | dvm1981: Not sure why you would want to read about an area so specific. You pobably would have better luck learning general linux mantra via the many linux books out there and then learning by experience with Sarge |
| 12:52.57 | Daedalus_ | dvm1981: In short, I don't know of any Sarge books. |
| 12:53.06 | petemc | there is one |
| 12:53.21 | petemc | written by madduck iirc |
| 12:53.26 | valdyn_ | dvm1981: i dont know that specific book, but even if its not specifically about sarge it should be enough. Not that much debian specific stuff changed from woody to sarge |
| 12:53.32 | Syrus | where abouts are module 'aliases' (I think that's the right term) in debian for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:53.42 | Flamethrower | Daedalus, can you recommend any of such books? |
| 12:53.42 | valdyn_ | Syrus: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 12:53.45 | Syrus | i.e - how can I make modprobe work with a .ko |
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| 12:53.53 | dvm1981 | Dealdalus_ : that is not a bad reaction, i must keep in mind, thank for this remarque |
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| 12:54.04 | Syrus | ta valdyn_ |
| 12:54.13 | valdyn_ | Syrus: modprobe can deal with .ko just fine by default |
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| 12:55.08 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: Unfortunately not. I actually learned through shear sweat and experience + man pages. The linux books I've got have been pulle doff the shelf maybe a handful of times to help me rescue totally broken systems |
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| 12:55.36 | ffh00 | How do I set my desktop from a picture in KDE on command line? With gnome I used /background-properties-capplet -- what do I use with KDE? |
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| 12:56.07 | Flamethrower | Ahh. Thx daedalus. I'm just more of the type of person who learns from reading on something THEN doing it, rather than experience aloine. |
| 12:56.12 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: In general though, O'reilly has a pretty good handle on things, so they're a good place to start browsing. |
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| 12:56.23 | Flamethrower | Alright, what woudl that site be? |
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| 12:56.43 | Syrus | valdyn_: I have a module installed (and it works properly!), however it's not on modprobe's list and I can only use insmod to load it up, how can I make it load via modprobe, and what file should I edit to make it load at boot? |
| 12:56.45 | Brian_L | Is there any other way to share a printer aside form using samba? |
| 12:56.51 | dvm1981 | Daelalus_ : it's because i have some basic and minimal knowledges about GNU/Linux, an old other system user. But im have work in the IT world and have now not a job and will investigate my in the GNU/Linux and more specified in Debian |
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| 12:56.59 | valdyn_ | Syrus: where is that module located? |
| 12:57.07 | Syrus | /lib/modules/2.6.8/net/zd1211_mod.ko |
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| 12:57.15 | jor | Brian_L: IPP |
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| 12:57.23 | valdyn_ | Syrus: thats the same tree as every other module |
| 12:57.24 | valdyn_ | Syrus: thats the same tree as every other module? |
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| 12:57.27 | Syrus | hmm |
| 12:57.28 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: heh. By browsing I meant @ Barnes and Noble or something. I'm sure orielly has a website though. |
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| 12:57.31 | Syrus | good point indeed. |
| 12:57.33 | borco | hi. |
| 12:57.33 | Brian_L | jor: cups ? |
| 12:57.48 | jor | Brian_L: yep, cups uses that protocol |
| 12:58.07 | valdyn_ | Syrus: if its not, then the kernel tree you installed it from wasnt configured properly |
| 12:58.08 | Flamethrower | Ahh. Here in the middle of Bum Fck Egypt (Knoxville, Iowa) there really aren't much in teh way of book stores. |
| 12:58.12 | borco | i want to install an ircd server on our private net, but i don't know which one to install. any suggestion? i run unstable. |
| 12:58.14 | jm_ | Brian_L: well the traditional lpd stuff |
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| 12:58.24 | Flamethrower | I consider myself lucky to have gotten an AMD64 gamer system off newegg and 5mbit cable. |
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| 12:58.38 | Daedalus_ | Flamethrower: *laughs* |
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| 12:58.55 | valdyn_ | Syrus: now, you could just copy it over, run depmod -a, then modprobe should find it |
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| 12:59.12 | Syrus | ta |
| 12:59.13 | Syrus | :) |
| 12:59.14 | dvm1981 | So i will specialise me in GNUU/Linux and then find work in this environment |
| 12:59.19 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 12:59.27 | valdyn_ | Syrus: that doesnt mean its safe to do though. |
| 12:59.37 | dvm1981 | Suggestions ? |
| 12:59.53 | Flamethrower | If I could find an older 1ghz or so laptop that I could take with me to school to learn Debian on, I'd be happy. |
| 13:00.19 | Kerr | would it be worth using x forwarding, if the pc i'm using to log in is only 150mhz? |
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| 13:00.59 | Flamethrower | Kerr: Ebay man. |
| 13:01.02 | Daedalus_ | Kerr: As opposed to running X locally? Absolutely |
| 13:01.07 | relic | Kerr, it's amazing... trust me :) |
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| 13:01.23 | Kerr | 's a windows 98 laptop |
| 13:01.33 | relic | oh... |
| 13:01.41 | Syrus | windows 98 eh? |
| 13:01.42 | Syrus | :p |
| 13:01.55 | relic | delete win98 |
| 13:02.03 | Kerr | my pc is a 2ghz sempron, i don't feel the need to buy a new one :-P |
| 13:02.04 | Flamethrower | Windows 98 is actually alright. Not too much resource pirating, but it still really isn't good. |
| 13:02.26 | Flamethrower | :) 2.4ghz Athlon64 3500+. Yes, OC'd. Hard on a clawhammer core or I'd go higher. |
| 13:02.28 | relic | hehe, if win98+patch = hehe |
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| 13:02.59 | relic | there are some bad thing in win98+patches |
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| 13:03.30 | Brian_L | jor: thanks ill try it out |
| 13:03.38 | Flamethrower | I meant win98 alone. If possible, I'd rather get XP ProSP2 and tweak the hell out of it like I have on my gaming partition, or Debian which is what I use for everything but gaming. |
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| 13:03.46 | Kerr | Flamethrower: i use blackbox for windowsm and a load of low-resource apps. I've had debian on this laptop; couldn't get sound to work, was sluggish with stock kernel, and i don't know how to build my own.. so, 98 it is |
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| 13:04.11 | Flamethrower | Ahh. Did you try using an i386 kernel? |
| 13:04.48 | iwilcox | If a source package builds multiple binary packages, and I've "apt-get source <particular-binary-pkg>", can I then cause dpkg-buildpackage to only build the binary package I'm interested in? |
| 13:04.56 | Flamethrower | I really don't see much coming out to work with a 150mhz cpu at all in today's time. Those CPU's were old years ago. |
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| 13:05.04 | valdyn_ | iwilcox: no |
| 13:05.21 | Kerr | I couldn't play mp3's in gui without lag.. so i went back to 98. I love debian to bits, but it's a matter of: this is easier for me. |
| 13:05.23 | iwilcox | Oh. Bugger. |
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| 13:05.30 | Flamethrower | :) Use Foobar |
| 13:05.35 | valdyn_ | iwilcox: it doesnt make sense either |
| 13:05.36 | Kerr | my pc runs etch though |
| 13:06.04 | iwilcox | valdyn_: It kinda does, cause I already have the binary packages installed, so all the deps are there, right? |
| 13:06.05 | Flamethrower | Ahh. It took me a long time and the magic word 'linux26' to get the Sarge installer cd to load an i386 distro on this SATA AMD64 machine. |
| 13:06.21 | Flamethrower | I dont' have the experience to chroot a 32-bit distro on for 64-bit to fully work yet. |
| 13:07.04 | Flamethrower | :/ I think I'm the only person on the Knoxville school district to have even heard of Linux. |
| 13:07.14 | valdyn_ | iwilcox: why would you build then? |
| 13:07.39 | iwilcox | valdyn_: I want a version of the binary with symbols so I can try to close in on an annoying bug that's getting no attention. |
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| 13:08.07 | Flamethrower | !nickometer hackeron |
| 13:08.28 | Flamethrower | Is dpkg dead or something? |
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| 13:08.31 | valdyn_ | iwilcox: alright, anyway, you'd have to mess with the upstream build system to do this.. |
| 13:08.34 | Flamethrower | !beer me |
| 13:08.39 | Flamethrower | yeah, he's gone. darn. |
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| 13:08.57 | iwilcox | valdyn_: What's the best way to do that? |
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| 13:09.10 | mirotrem | Hi guys...how would I go about making my debian box an IGMP snooper? |
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| 13:09.23 | iwilcox | valdyn_: Unpack the (patched) .tar.gz, mess with it, pack it up, dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 13:09.43 | valdyn_ | iwilcox: apt-get source whatever, mess with the tree, run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:09.57 | cyzie | anyone running windows with vmware where he/she install debian in the handy drive? |
| 13:10.11 | iwilcox | valdyn_: 'K, cheers. |
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| 13:10.29 | Flamethrower | cyzie: Nope, sorry. I just installed it straight from a CDRW. |
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| 13:10.38 | cyzie | okie Flamethrower |
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| 13:10.59 | pete_in_ON | need help with etch yelp |
| 13:11.08 | SuperSox | Hey, I can't seem to find unrar in stable? |
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| 13:11.27 | Andy837 | i have installed a web control panel and the setup says goto /syscp/ but when i go it trys to download the file, not load it - any reason why? |
| 13:11.28 | valdyn_ | !non-free |
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| 13:11.32 | valdyn_ | ~non-free |
| 13:11.33 | apt | methinks non-free is always \"evil\". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual \"main\" source to install stuff like navigator, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:11.40 | Flamethrower | ~nickometer hackeron |
| 13:11.46 | Flamethrower | Aww. |
| 13:12.01 | ams_ | SuperSox: you are right |
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| 13:12.28 | Peterken | Hello all, i was woundering if this exists in a commandline command: I have a file with a lot of words (all after each other) and i want to put each word containing 'aa' to another file. Like cat file | grep "aa" > otherfile , but not the whole line, only the word that is containing 'aa' |
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| 13:13.23 | Syrus | I'm using stock kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 13:13.45 | SuperSox | thanks all :) |
| 13:13.51 | Syrus | for compiling things against the kernel, what should I link into /usr/src/linux? |
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| 13:14.06 | Syrus | /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 13:14.10 | Syrus | /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:14.11 | jm_ | nothing, install kernel headers for it |
| 13:14.15 | Syrus | or something else? |
| 13:14.18 | bibe | Syrus : apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:14.29 | Syrus | I already did, it didn't make a link |
| 13:14.43 | jm_ | there doesn't have to be any link other than what is already there |
| 13:14.56 | ams_ | Peterken: tr ' ' '\n' file | grep "aa" > otherfile |
| 13:15.10 | Syrus | or should I tell the compiler to look in /usr/src/kernel-headers...etc instead? |
| 13:15.13 | bibe | ams_ : great :) |
| 13:15.20 | Syrus | (instead of /usr/src/linux) |
| 13:15.39 | jm_ | sounds like you're compiling some shitty driver/whatever that can't figure it out properly |
| 13:15.40 | Peterken | tnx ams_, i'll try that |
| 13:15.40 | ams_ | bibe: thx :) |
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| 13:16.01 | Syrus | jm_: it's either this or no network |
| 13:16.02 | Syrus | :p |
| 13:16.24 | jm_ | Syrus: it should rely on symlinks in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 13:16.41 | bibe | ams_ : I alwas forget of 'tr' great possibilities |
| 13:16.53 | valdyn_ | Syrus: your modules build system looks at /usr/src/linux ? |
| 13:17.19 | Flamethrower | :D The reason I decided to brave it and recompile my kernel is that it was compiled with ALSA lacking SB Live support. |
| 13:17.42 | Syrus | basically, I need to get a kernel module working in order to use this 802.11g dongle |
| 13:17.51 | Syrus | the zd1211 chipset module |
| 13:17.52 | bibe | Syrus : have a look at 'build' and/or 'sources' symlinks into /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 13:20.22 | smard | what is ubuntu? |
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| 13:21.22 | Ronin | smard: a debian based distro im sure thier website can answer your questions regarding it |
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| 13:23.16 | Syrus | bibe: what do you mean? |
| 13:24.11 | Syrus | this source's makefile seems insistant on putting things into /lib/modules/2.6.8 rather than /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:24.52 | Syrus | even when I specify to it my kernel's sources are /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386/ |
| 13:25.17 | ams_ | Syrus: grep CONFIG_LOCALVERSION .config ? |
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| 13:26.08 | nvz | its getting too cold in da burgh for me |
| 13:26.10 | Syrus | ams_: nothing returned |
| 13:26.17 | nvz | its fuckin snowin |
| 13:26.23 | Daedalus_ | Yup |
| 13:26.28 | Daedalus_ | It's great |
| 13:26.31 | ams_ | Syrus: that's why it want 2.6.8 |
| 13:26.32 | Daedalus_ | I just hope it sticks |
| 13:26.37 | nvz | screw that, I am ready to go to florida |
| 13:26.38 | Syrus | I see |
| 13:26.42 | bibe | Syrus : most software looks for sources/headers into /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 13:26.42 | Syrus | what should I do? |
| 13:27.00 | ams_ | Syrus: add this line: CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=-2-386 |
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| 13:27.08 | Syrus | cheers |
| 13:27.09 | Syrus | will do |
| 13:27.19 | nvz | I forgot what it was to really be cold.. in Texas you are shivering and wearing a coat if its under 74degF |
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| 13:28.18 | Opete_in_N | Hi, although I have installed all packeges pulled in by the gnome meta package in etch, I only get an empty help page whne pressing F! or launching the help browser. I also get an emptylist when I try to use the open with function in nautilus. Can anyone help? |
| 13:28.37 | smard | sorry, i'm reading the faq, but i can't see why tor clients are banned. i know it has something to do with attacks, but anything specific? |
| 13:28.52 | Daedalus_ | nvz: Heh. Yeah, it's fun to watch all the new students during the first major cold snap. Really separates teh southerners from the northerners |
| 13:28.59 | WireDDD | should I be using the hid-core kernel module for my logitech usb mouse, becasue it generates a ton of messages in /var/log/mesages |
| 13:29.10 | nvz | Opete_in_N: not unless you can provide some relevant details that might clue us in on wtf you are talking about |
| 13:29.12 | folial_ | I get a SIGSEGV with a malloc and it may be an implementation problem of libc, cause on a different linux distro works. Is it normal that it is used /usr/lib/tls/libc.so.6 instead of /usr/lib/libc.so.6? How can I do? Should I upgrade libc(stable:2.3.2)?? thanx!!! |
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| 13:29.30 | nvz | Opete_in_N: there is more than one version of debian. |
| 13:29.47 | nvz | to date there are about 8 IIRC |
| 13:29.59 | nvz | 4 that are being widely used |
| 13:30.01 | Opete_in_N | I am running Etch on my box |
| 13:30.03 | jm_ | folial_: no, it's more likely it's a bug in the application |
| 13:30.15 | Syrus | ams_: it's still put the module in lib/modules/2.6.8 :/ |
| 13:30.17 | jm_ | folial_: and it's fine that it's using tls version |
| 13:30.26 | mkl1525 | Hi, vmstat is nice to get current system stats, is there such a tool for the network interfaces available? |
| 13:30.44 | ams_ | Syrus: you recompile the kernel? |
| 13:30.47 | nvz | bleh I am going back to eating pizza when I get paid and am too lazy to cook.. these ham sandwitches are gross |
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| 13:30.53 | Syrus | ams_: no I havn't |
| 13:30.56 | Syrus | do I need to do that? |
| 13:30.56 | petemc | mkl1525: for what? |
| 13:31.10 | Firestarter2 | is there a way to tell apt-get dist-upgrade to not remove kde? |
| 13:31.19 | Kerr | anyone know of a decent remote desktop client for windows (98) that would allow me to log into my debian box? |
| 13:31.19 | ams_ | Syrus: wait, i didn't follow the whole discussion |
| 13:31.28 | Ronin | Kerr: vnc |
| 13:31.34 | Guerin | Firestarter2: just upgrade the apps you want upgraded |
| 13:31.43 | nvz | Daedalus_: I was born up here, but I spent last winter down south. |
| 13:31.49 | Guerin | Firestarter2: dist-upgrade routinely breaks things |
| 13:31.52 | Syrus | I've got the source to a kernel module which is the driver for zd1211 802.11/b/g chipset for this usb dongle i have |
| 13:31.53 | ams_ | Syrus: you compile some driver and it goes to 2.6.8 instead of 2.6.8-2-386? |
| 13:31.57 | Syrus | yes |
| 13:31.58 | sep | Kerr, a vnc server on debian tightvncviewer on windows |
| 13:32.04 | Firestarter2 | Guerin: ok |
| 13:32.23 | Syrus | I installed the kernel-headers for the same version of the kernel I have, I assume they're the same (I'm using stock kernel) |
| 13:32.38 | cahoot | Kerr: or simply putty |
| 13:32.49 | Syrus | the module did actually work (sort of (although not really)) when I used insmod to load it |
| 13:33.24 | ams_ | Syrus: what does uname -r shows? |
| 13:33.25 | folial_ | jm_: also if with a different version of libc it does work? |
| 13:33.32 | mkl1525 | petemc, one of our servers has high loads although theres about 30% CPU idle time, no memory swapping, not that much disk IO - so we suspect that the network traffic could cause it (we have a lot of) |
| 13:33.41 | Syrus | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:33.43 | jm_ | folial_: probably pure coincidence |
| 13:33.48 | folial_ | it doesn't seem an application error |
| 13:33.49 | Syrus | (like I said :) |
| 13:34.44 | petemc | mkl1525: iptraf |
| 13:35.10 | ams_ | Syrus: then it's a bug in make script. put the driver to the correct dir and run depmod manually |
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| 13:36.33 | Syrus | yer I'm going through the makefile atm |
| 13:36.39 | mkl1525 | petemc, thanks will have a look at |
| 13:36.40 | Syrus | I'll just tweak it to my needs |
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| 13:39.15 | mauve | Hi, I'm having a problem with my bugzilla installation on apache 1.3.3, I always get "client denied by server configuration: /var/www/bugzilla", I have double-checked my configuration in conf.d/bugzilla.conf hundred times; I have not changed the main httpd.conf -- does anybody have any idea where I should start looking? all my files are owned by www-data.www-data and are chmod'd ar+x,gu+rw |
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| 13:39.51 | resiak | mauve: Why not ask #apache, or #bugzilla if it exists (probably on a different network)? |
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| 13:40.25 | mauve | hmm, resiak, I'll go looking; just #debian is always helpful anyway :) |
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| 13:41.32 | shark_ | mauve, probably a bad httpd.conf |
| 13:41.38 | Kerr | x forwarding works in putty O.o ? |
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| 13:42.15 | resiak | Kerr: If you have an X server on your Windows machine, sure |
| 13:42.35 | shark_ | Kerr, on recent release of putty yes |
| 13:42.49 | shark_ | Kerr, check the ssh --> tunnel configuration |
| 13:44.03 | _NiC | anything special i need to do to make quotas work on nfs-mounted partitions? |
| 13:44.12 | mauve | shark_ the httpd.conf is the original from debian |
| 13:44.17 | resiak | Sacrifice seven chickens? |
| 13:44.36 | shark_ | mauve, then you need a <Directory> directive |
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| 13:45.32 | mauve | my conf.d/bugzilla.conf has a <Directory /var/www/bugzilla> Options +ExecCGI \n AllowOverride Limit \n Allow from all \n </Directory> |
| 13:45.55 | mauve | shark_ sorry for the ugly "paste" I have not figured out bitchx yet |
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| 13:46.08 | resiak | Use irssi, as nature intended? |
| 13:46.11 | BlueWings | what package do I install to get stl manpages? I installed stl-manual but I sitll fail to get man std::list |
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| 13:46.32 | mauve | resiak whats the difference? |
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| 13:46.42 | shark_ | _NiC, you need rquota no ? |
| 13:46.52 | resiak | mauve: irssi is a good irc client, whereas bitchx is a crock of shit? |
| 13:47.07 | shark_ | mauve, is it included in httpd.conf ? |
| 13:47.19 | mauve | shark_ lemme check |
| 13:47.24 | _NiC | shark_: I haven't tried yet, just asking if there's any special considerations i need to take.. :) |
| 13:47.42 | mauve | shark_ I have "Include /etc/apache/conf.d" in my httpd.conf |
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| 13:48.00 | mauve | shark_ I have a ScriptAlias in my bugzilla.conf also |
| 13:48.14 | shark_ | mauve, any error in /var/log/http* ? |
| 13:48.18 | Syrus | this is quite complex |
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| 13:48.27 | Syrus | I should probably just buy a pci card instead |
| 13:48.35 | mauve | shark_ the only error is "client denied by server configuration: /var/www/bugzilla" |
| 13:48.49 | resiak | BlueWings: dpkg -L stl-manual # Note that it does not install any manpages. |
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| 13:48.58 | mauve | shark_ this is "LogLevel debug" -- pretty scarce for debug I think |
| 13:49.13 | shark_ | mauve, no error in http log file ? |
| 13:49.56 | resiak | BlueWings: Perhaps libstdc++6-4.0-doc has them? |
| 13:50.18 | mauve | shark_ I am looking in the /var/log/apache/error.log file, I have no http* log file here |
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| 13:50.27 | BlueWings | resiak, yeah, it does not, like you said. I'll check the doc, I was trying libstdc++-doc and libstdc++-man and it said there were no packages for it |
| 13:50.38 | mauve | shark_ I installed apache via (apt-get install apache) |
| 13:50.49 | shark_ | mauve, there should be one, even if size is 0 |
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| 13:51.35 | mauve | shark_ are u sure? I have never seend any http* log file in debian... |
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| 13:51.55 | shark_ | mauve, the name are maybe different |
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| 13:52.02 | mauve | shark_ probably |
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| 13:52.23 | shark_ | mauve, there should be 2 files: access and error file |
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| 13:53.11 | mauve | shark_ I have both, access contains nothing interesting, error.log contains "client denied by server configuration: /var/www/bugzilla" |
| 13:53.32 | shark_ | mauve, any other information ? |
| 13:53.43 | mauve | shark_ nope |
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| 13:54.01 | mauve | shark_ yeah I have a ScriptAlias /bugzilla/ "/var/www/bugzilla/" also |
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| 13:55.18 | x`y`-xy | who know if in debian is instalated perl 5 by default ...and where is it ?? I need it for install webmin ... |
| 13:55.34 | Syrus | fs |
| 13:56.19 | x`y`-xy | i tryed :p |
| 13:56.39 | shark_ | mauve, you have rights permission problems. it's the cause of apache |
| 13:56.40 | shark_ | mauve, you need to reconfigure |
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| 13:56.59 | resiak | x`y`-xy: Firstly, do you have to have such an annoying nick? Secondly, why not just install the webmin package and let it handle the dependencies? Thirdly, don't use Webmin, it's a pile of arse. |
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| 13:57.18 | ams_ | Syrus: what's happened? |
| 13:57.21 | shark_ | x`y`-xy, perl --version |
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| 13:58.30 | x`y`-xy | resiak you can tell me another tool ...like webmin ? |
| 13:58.36 | x`y`-xy | pls |
| 13:58.44 | nvz | !nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 13:59.00 | nvz | dpkg is sleeping again |
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| 13:59.06 | azeem | !hi |
| 13:59.16 | resiak | "the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for x`y`-xy is 80.000%, resiak" |
| 13:59.19 | nvz | I asked her about a package like half an hour ago and got no response yet |
| 13:59.21 | resiak | x`y`-xy: A text editor? |
| 13:59.53 | mauve | !nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 14:00.32 | mauve | nickometer |
| 14:00.33 | nvz | I'm converting yet another windows user to debian :) Got to try and capture the attention of a teenage girl.. other than an instant messanger I dont really know wtf I can give her that she would be interested in :P |
| 14:00.41 | resiak | nvz: Sex. |
| 14:00.44 | nvz | heh |
| 14:00.48 | cahoot | pizza? |
| 14:00.57 | nvz | she's too young for me to have sex with (legally) |
| 14:00.57 | Guerin | beer won't work |
| 14:00.58 | BlueWings | nvz, lot of attention |
| 14:00.59 | Guerin | no sir |
| 14:01.18 | Syrus | ams_: keeps complaining when I load the module (and it's in use) |
| 14:01.20 | nvz | the attention part I figured.. thats what the IM is for.. she can get hold of me on here |
| 14:01.28 | Syrus | I get a lot of this: |
| 14:01.29 | Syrus | control timeout on ep0out |
| 14:01.37 | Syrus | cannot assign address to blah blah etc.. |
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| 14:01.43 | cahoot | nvz: the debian method seems like a lost case |
| 14:01.46 | nvz | her pc has been broke for like 2 years.. I am finally bringing it back to life |
| 14:01.48 | sshSesion | what means nickometer ? ...i`m new here ...and i speak little bit english |
| 14:01.51 | Syrus | apparently using a 2.4 kernel can help, so I'm going to try that I think |
| 14:01.59 | mauve | nvz |
| 14:02.02 | mauve | exit |
| 14:02.16 | nvz | cahoot: ? |
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| 14:02.45 | ams_ | Syrus: you are fighting with driver for zd1211, right? |
| 14:02.53 | Syrus | yes |
| 14:02.54 | azeem | sshSesion: do not worry, it is not important |
| 14:02.58 | Syrus | it *almost* worked |
| 14:02.59 | cahoot | nvz: I presumed a connection between your two bits of info above |
| 14:03.16 | Syrus | for example iwconfig returned the mac address when I iwconfig wlan0 of the dongle |
| 14:03.16 | ams_ | Syrus: ok, i'll check the inet. and you can try the 2.4 kernel :) |
| 14:03.25 | Syrus | chars! |
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| 14:03.37 | sshSesion | ok |
| 14:03.38 | nvz | she doesnt have a choice.. they dont have a legit copy of windows, and there is nothing wrong with the pc itself other than it has Win2kPro and throws a stop error no matter what mode you boot it in |
| 14:03.59 | nvz | they gave me discs 2 and 3 of a 3 disc HP restore set |
| 14:04.01 | azeem | sshSesion: there are Debian channels for other languages as well, if you prefer your own language to english |
| 14:04.10 | azeem | sshSesion: which is your native language? |
| 14:04.12 | nvz | nothing I can do with those |
| 14:04.27 | x`y-xy | i`m romanian |
| 14:04.28 | Syrus | man I need to get lunch soon |
| 14:05.00 | x`y-xy | any romanian here ? |
| 14:05.15 | nvz | if I were to charge her for a copy of windows and my fee, her mother wouldnt want to pay to get it fixed.. but the price of debian is more attractive, and I can still charge my fee |
| 14:05.16 | ams_ | Syrus: you downloaded it with apt-get source ? |
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| 14:05.35 | sussudio | bursuc. |
| 14:05.38 | azeem | x`y-xy: probably not many :-/ I also guess there is no romanian Debian channel, sorry |
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| 14:05.45 | nvz | badger fire? |
| 14:05.50 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 14:07.00 | Brox | what are good system monitor tools under debian? |
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| 14:07.04 | BlueWings | resiak, thank you, it was libstdc++6-4.0-doc |
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| 14:07.47 | Brox | system monitor tool := a tool that displays cpu and mobo temp. etc. |
| 14:08.01 | nvz | when I explained their options of installing their XP Home (already in use on another pc) and using it for 30 days before it locks up, or buying a windows cd that comes with all the glory of notepad.exe and sol.exe for $139, or get 14,000+ packages of debian for $0 they liked the sound of that better |
| 14:08.11 | AciD | Brox > if you want a simple one, try phpsysinfo |
| 14:08.18 | resiak | BlueWings: ace. |
| 14:09.00 | nvz | since she's a teenager and sits on IM all day anyhow I am thinking I can work with her through IRC on any adjustment issues.. since shes young she should be able to learn quickly |
| 14:09.33 | plbgnr | hello, is it possible to run gui application on computer with public IP from comp. with non public IP? |
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| 14:09.50 | madclicker | i have an sounblaster 5.1 live sound card, after i run "alsafonf" i get this highpitch sqeeky sound in my speakers. Is alsa package broken in any way? |
| 14:10.23 | ziupiu | plbgnr, sure |
| 14:10.45 | nvz | they need to work on making the IMs a little better for cases like these. gaim still is far from being as feature rich as any of the clients it tries to emulate |
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| 14:11.06 | nvz | abrotman: good morning |
| 14:11.14 | abrotman | hola senor! |
| 14:11.46 | nvz | you forgot the tilda enyay or whatever it is called |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | so what .. we're down to one bot ? |
| 14:12.00 | nvz | I dont know, dpkg is here, but not talking to anyone |
| 14:12.03 | x`y-xy | it`s possible perl to be inst in /usr/lib/perl.... this returned dpkg -L perl |
| 14:12.05 | nvz | I havent tried the others |
| 14:12.07 | Kerr | eww, tightvnc defaults to gnome.. what is the easiest/fastest way to get it to default to icewm? |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | apt: hi |
| 14:12.16 | apt | hello, abrotman |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | see! |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | oh sure ... he's apt_ |
| 14:12.23 | nvz | Kerr: it doesnt default to anything |
| 14:12.33 | nvz | Kerr: it probably reads your .xsession |
| 14:12.37 | Kerr | hmm |
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| 14:12.46 | Brox | AciD > how do i run it? what does it need apache for? |
| 14:12.49 | plbgnr | ziupiu: ok and how it works? it is about forwarding ports? or how shall I tell to public comp. where to send output? |
| 14:13.41 | AciD | Brox > apache, or any webserver (like lighthttpd for instance) |
| 14:13.47 | Brox | plbgnr > try ssh -X or -Y. vncviewer is also an option. |
| 14:13.48 | ziupiu | plbgnr, are private and public both linux? |
| 14:14.43 | plbgnr | ziupiu: 1 public 1 private |
| 14:14.53 | Kerr | nvz: how can i change the xession default? |
| 14:14.57 | ziupiu | plbgnr, if so follow Brox suggestion ssh -X |
| 14:15.04 | nvz | Kerr: there are no defaults |
| 14:15.11 | nvz | Kerr: you make a file called ~/.xsession |
| 14:15.18 | Brox | AciD > is lighthttpd in apt? |
| 14:15.34 | nvz | Kerr: its contains what you want to run during the session, when the programs end, so does the session |
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| 14:15.51 | AciD | if you have debian, you can search by yourself with apt-cache search |
| 14:15.51 | nvz | Kerr: all but the last command should be backgrounded, and the last command should generally be your WM or something |
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| 14:16.02 | x`y-xy | it`s possible perl to be inst in /usr/lib/perl.... this returned dpkg -L perl |
| 14:16.43 | resiak | x`y-xy: apt-get install webmin |
| 14:16.43 | caphuso | x`y-xy: parts are |
| 14:16.46 | plbgnr | ziupiu: ok I tried ssh -X and then run xclock ...I got 'Error: Can't open display:' |
| 14:16.57 | resiak | x`y-xy: It will sort out the Perl dependencies for you. |
| 14:17.14 | Kerr | nvz: i don't have a .xsession file |
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| 14:17.22 | nvz | Kerr: then make one. |
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| 14:17.28 | resiak | (NB. This is not me advocating webmin. This is me answering x`y-xy's implicit question, "how do I install Webmin?".) |
| 14:17.36 | nvz | Kerr: if you dont have one it reads in the system wide config |
| 14:17.45 | nvz | Kerr: each user should make their own |
| 14:17.52 | _NiC | has anyone installed directadmin on a debian sarge-server? |
| 14:17.54 | Kerr | nvz: each user = me. |
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| 14:18.16 | resiak | !anyone use |
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| 14:18.25 | resiak | dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead! |
| 14:18.41 | _NiC | poor dpkg :( |
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| 14:18.48 | kioto | hi all |
| 14:19.00 | nvz | Kerr: actually its the other way around IIRC look at /etc/X11/Xsession script to see how it goes about deciding what to run during the session |
| 14:19.54 | ziupiu | plbgnr, echo $DISPLAY on remote machine |
| 14:19.56 | _NiC | resiak: I'm guess what it *would* have said - the problem is that directadmin installs it's own exim-package, and now apt-get complains that exim4 has unmet dependencies and all is hell. :) |
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| 14:20.07 | _NiC | guess*ing*. |
| 14:20.39 | resiak | _NiC: That's not good. |
| 14:20.44 | _NiC | if I do apt-get -f install, it'll remove the directadmin-installed exim-package, and I don't think i want that either. |
| 14:20.54 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell _NiC about equivs |
| 14:21.04 | _NiC | seems directadmin could use some more time on their .debs |
| 14:21.05 | plbgnr | ziupiu: ...no value |
| 14:21.07 | azeem | Zugschlus: dpkg is down |
| 14:21.08 | resiak | Zugschlus: dpkg is dead, and use either "!" or "dpkg" |
| 14:21.12 | DarkRaika | Hello I have question |
| 14:21.22 | Zugschlus | _NiC: looks like you need to yell at directadmin whatever that is |
| 14:21.25 | resiak | _NiC: Ah, directadmin is not in Debian. Whine at htem :) |
| 14:21.28 | kioto | if i don't find with apt-cache search a software that i need, hot to get other mirrors to add to my source-list file ? |
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| 14:21.53 | resiak | kioto: Google is your friend. |
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| 14:21.57 | _NiC | resiak: i know, i know.. :-) |
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| 14:22.02 | nvz | kioto: apt-get.org is a search engine to find repositories for unoffical packages |
| 14:22.11 | ziupiu | plbgnr, strange, is remote machine os linux? |
| 14:22.14 | _NiC | resiak: could I add something to apt.conf to make it ignore the exim-problems? |
| 14:22.15 | Brox | plbgnr > is X running? |
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| 14:22.24 | nvz | kioto: all official repos contain the same things |
| 14:22.26 | Kerr | nvz: That file makes absolutley no sense to me. Isn't there something i can dpkg-reconfigure to set a default wm? |
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| 14:22.37 | plbgnr | ziupiu: yes Debian |
| 14:22.42 | resiak | _NiC: No... You should get da to fix their packages, or get the package's source and fix it yourself. |
| 14:22.44 | DarkRaika | ok |
| 14:22.45 | _NiC | resiak: or could I remove exim4? :-\ |
| 14:22.54 | nvz | Kerr: nope. its as simple as echo "defaultwm" > ~/.xsession |
| 14:23.03 | resiak | _NiC: If directadmin provides an MTA, then yeah, sure. If it doesn't, no, don't. |
| 14:23.08 | nvz | Kerr: that creates the file with the command in it |
| 14:23.12 | DarkRaika | I need to install Debian on a 10Gig drive will all the packages fit on this HDD? |
| 14:23.18 | fireba11 | _NiC: just notives you talking about exim .. you got a problem there ? |
| 14:23.22 | nvz | Kerr: which is all you have to do as I've told you many times already |
| 14:23.28 | resiak | DarkRaika: "All" the packages? No chance. A useful system? Sure. |
| 14:23.35 | asg | DarkRaika: all the ones you are ever likely to need will |
| 14:23.39 | DarkRaika | ok cheers |
| 14:23.43 | _NiC | resiak: it does, its package is "exim", so i guess it'll be okay. I'll try removing exim4. |
| 14:23.49 | DarkRaika | I need to learn Debian Server |
| 14:23.57 | resiak | DarkRaika: Debian is 16 CDs. 16 * 740 == 11840 > 10000 :) |
| 14:24.08 | plbgnr | Brox: no (ps ax|grep X11) |
| 14:24.08 | Brox | plbgnr > do |
| 14:24.08 | Brox | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 14:24.08 | Brox | then DISPLAY has a value |
| 14:24.11 | _NiC | fireba11: not with exim itself, no |
| 14:24.21 | nvz | debian is like 13 1/2 cds (sarge) |
| 14:24.27 | nvz | @dstats sarge |
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| 14:24.35 | ziupiu | plbgnr, netstat -pluton|grep 60 on remote machine |
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| 14:24.40 | _NiC | removing worked fine, seems my troubles are gone for at least a while now :-) |
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| 14:24.46 | ravenbird | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 706 packages, 264 maintainers, 1859 MB installed size, 509 MB compressed size. |
| 14:24.57 | jah | hello! |
| 14:24.59 | Brox | AciD > do you know a system monitor that doesn't rely on a webserver? |
| 14:25.06 | nvz | SimonRaven: wtf is that? |
| 14:25.17 | asg | nvz: sarge is on a diet apparently |
| 14:25.22 | _NiC | I wish people could write a controlpanel that didn't mess with applications, just their config-files..*sigh* |
| 14:25.29 | nvz | asg: or ravenbird is on crack |
| 14:25.44 | nvz | SimonRaven: might want to wrestle the crackpipe away from that bot of yours |
| 14:25.47 | tarzeau | Brox: wmnetmon ? |
| 14:25.53 | asg | nvz: it is getting close to thanksgiving, perhaps he feels a little tense |
| 14:26.00 | nvz | ~dstats sarge |
| 14:26.14 | nvz | looks like apt is dead too |
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| 14:27.02 | nvz | thats more like it |
| 14:27.03 | Zugschlus | _NiC: do their packages provide mail-transport-agent? |
| 14:27.04 | plbgnr | ziupiu: http://pastebin.com/433078 |
| 14:27.22 | tarzeau | nvz: there's also @anotehrbot |
| 14:27.24 | _NiC | zugschlus: yes |
| 14:27.26 | _NiC | Provides: exim, exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config, exim4-daemon, mail-transport-agent |
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| 14:27.37 | nvz | tarzeau: what? |
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| 14:27.44 | Zugschlus | _NiC: these guys don't have a remote clue |
| 14:27.52 | _NiC | it's not conflicting with exim4 though, so i guess that's why it wasn't removed |
| 14:27.58 | tarzeau | @hi |
| 14:27.59 | ravenbird | Many greetings, tarzeau, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 14:28.02 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: that jsut what i thought when reading that list ^^ |
| 14:28.08 | _NiC | zugschlus: could be, I'm no guru on dependencies myself, so I wouldn't notice ;) |
| 14:28.10 | nvz | tarzeau: wtf are you talking about?! |
| 14:28.19 | tarzeau | nvz: about !, ~ and @ |
| 14:28.24 | tarzeau | nvz: dpkg, apt and ravenbird |
| 14:28.29 | nvz | tarzeau: if you were paying attention I asked ravenbird before apt |
| 14:28.31 | tarzeau | 15:26 < nvz> looks like apt is dead too |
| 14:28.36 | nvz | tarzeau: she gave the wrong answer |
| 14:28.37 | tarzeau | nvz: oh i didn't |
| 14:28.40 | _NiC | zugschlus: what *should* it have looked like? |
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| 14:28.51 | nvz | tarzeau: I' |
| 14:28.58 | nvz | ve been here for like 5 years I know the bots |
| 14:29.03 | nvz | I've been here longer than ravenbird |
| 14:29.12 | abrotman | so have i |
| 14:29.13 | Kerr | nvz: now i just get the debian background and nothing else.. im logged in localy, using icewm too.. is this a problem? |
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| 14:29.16 | abrotman | and i haven't been here that long |
| 14:29.22 | tarzeau | nvz: so have i |
| 14:29.29 | Zugschlus | _NiC: Provides: mail-transport-agent, Replaces: mail-transport-agent, Conflicts: mail-transport-agent |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | i htink i first joined when apt was dying |
| 14:29.49 | Brox | tarzeau > system monitor tool := a tool that displays cpu and mobo temp. etc. |
| 14:29.53 | nvz | Kerr: no it should not be a problem. |
| 14:30.18 | Kerr | ergh.. |
| 14:30.22 | Kerr | Xsession: X session started for kerr at Thu Nov 17 14:09:14 GMT 2005 |
| 14:30.23 | Kerr | Failed to run gconf-sanity-check-2: Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/l$ |
| 14:30.23 | Kerr | SESSION_MANAGER=local/rain:/tmp/.ICE-unix/9339 |
| 14:30.32 | _NiC | zugschlus: it that was the case, I wouldn't have had the problem with exim4's unmet dependencies? |
| 14:30.33 | nvz | Kerr: I would verify that your xsession file is correct. and then read the vncserver log. |
| 14:30.33 | plbgnr | Brox: Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 14:30.43 | ggochuico | guys need help here |
| 14:30.46 | ggochuico | guys need help here? |
| 14:30.49 | Kerr | crap, that was meant to be one line (from .xsession-errors) |
| 14:30.52 | Zugschlus | _NiC: yes |
| 14:30.58 | resiak | ggochuico: I need help. |
| 14:31.02 | fireba11 | ggochuico: then jsut tell us your problem |
| 14:31.10 | nixie | does anyone know of any nifty tools to do package management (apt-get update && upgrade) on multiple servers, centralized? or should i start cooking some code :) |
| 14:31.23 | fireba11 | nixie: cron-apt |
| 14:31.36 | Kerr | the .xsesion file is just a file with icewm written in it. |
| 14:31.36 | nvz | Kerr: you can use /exec -o in most clients, just pipe it into tr "\n" " " to make it all one line |
| 14:31.37 | fireba11 | nixie: oh, wait, taht's not centralized |
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| 14:32.00 | Kerr | putty? |
| 14:32.02 | ggochuico | i am a new user of linux knoppix could u me on how use the assembly language of linux knoppix |
| 14:32.10 | resiak | ggochuico: #knoppix |
| 14:32.10 | nixie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:32.25 | nixie | but cron-apt will do, together with syslog output & jffnms |
| 14:32.28 | nixie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.38 | nvz | ggochuico: linux doesnt have assembly language |
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| 14:32.52 | fireba11 | nixie though if you don't have a couple servers with the exact same setup and use one for testing first i would not advise to update a bunch of servers at once automatically ... |
| 14:33.16 | Jondo | I'm using reiserfs on a few partitions on an external firewire hdd. Today I start up my machine, and try to mount and it can't find the superblock!! The partition was definately unmounted cleanly. What can I do?!? |
| 14:33.32 | nvz | ggochuico: assembly language is about as close to machine code as you can get and still not actually be coding in machine readable format, and its completly independant of any OS, its dependant however on the hardware platform |
| 14:33.42 | jepagodo | when i try to run apt-get it tells me to run apt-get -f install, but when i do that it tries to access some files from a cdrom that i don't have. can't i just delete the package that has not been successfully installet? |
| 14:33.43 | kioto | i have found any mirrors on apt-get.org nvz |
| 14:33.48 | nixie | fireba11: im looking for at least centralized reporting of new packages; the actual upgrade would still be done with some form of cotnrol. |
| 14:33.52 | resiak | Jondo: fsck it |
| 14:34.06 | tarzeau | Brox: bubblefishymon? |
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| 14:34.20 | ggochuico | ak tnx |
| 14:34.38 | fireba11 | nixie: ah .. cron-apt can update apt sources daily and give a reporting mail if you want .. so that should do the trick then .. i suggest not telling it more to do security updates at most by itself though :-) |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | jepagodo: update your sources ... apt-get update |
| 14:34.58 | ggochuico | can i configure knoppix? how its done?? |
| 14:35.05 | resiak | ggochuico: Ask #knoppix |
| 14:35.11 | ggochuico | ok |
| 14:35.15 | Kerr | nvz: dunno how to use paste bin in ssh; but it looks like icewm is starting then dying before i ever see it :-/ |
| 14:35.19 | fireba11 | nixie: maybe tell it to run apt-get -s upgrade to see what would be changed or so :-) |
| 14:35.40 | jepagodo | abrotman: it still tries to access my cdrom.. |
| 14:35.48 | Brox | tarzeau > just what i wanted :) |
| 14:36.01 | nvz | Kerr: so figure out why *shrug* read the vncserver log, or change xsession to start an xterm then run it from there and see what it says |
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| 14:36.36 | nixie | fireba11: i'll probably have one spare development box at the side actually doing the automatic upgrades to see how that goes. most of my boxes are pretty simialr in setup anyway |
| 14:36.59 | Jondo | resiak: phew. it rebuilt the superblock and journal. I was really scared. |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | jepagodo: what package is it looking for? |
| 14:37.22 | fireba11 | nixie: okay .. cron-apt is a nice tool :-) |
| 14:37.31 | Kerr | nvz: man vncserver doesn't list it's logfile, and it's not /var/log/vncserver .. before i go looking, do you know where/what it is? |
| 14:37.38 | jepagodo | abrotman: libjpeg62_6b-10_i386.deb |
| 14:37.56 | resiak | Jondo: Don't use reiserfs ;) |
| 14:38.15 | Jondo | I think it had a bad block on the superblock. That's the last time I buy a remanufactured hdd... |
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| 14:39.36 | ggochuico | is der a compiler in assembly language in linuz?? |
| 14:39.43 | tarzeau | ggochuico: yes |
| 14:39.48 | tarzeau | ggochuico: check nasm |
| 14:39.51 | fireba11 | Jondo: i heared some bad stories about reiser so far .. i'd rather stick to ext3 ^^ |
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| 14:40.14 | Jondo | I've been using it for 2 years already, and this is the first problem I've ever had. |
| 14:40.18 | nvz | Kerr: it couldnt possibly be /var/log/vncserver because you do not have permission to write to that directory |
| 14:40.24 | nvz | Kerr: there is only one place it can be |
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| 14:40.28 | nvz | Kerr: well two |
| 14:40.28 | tarzeau | strange |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | jepagodo: /join #flood |
| 14:40.33 | nvz | but only one logical place |
| 14:40.42 | tarzeau | i have xmovie play on a dual screen here, on one screen it shows video on the other not |
| 14:40.47 | tarzeau | xmovie is broken? |
| 14:41.00 | nvz | Kerr: and every time I've ever typed vncserver it tells me where the logfile is |
| 14:41.17 | ams_ | tarzeau: are you using xinerama? |
| 14:41.21 | tarzeau | ams_: yes |
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| 14:41.47 | ams_ | tarzeau: xinerama doesn't support acceleration afaik. that could cause a problem |
| 14:42.02 | tarzeau | ams_: aha |
| 14:44.02 | antgel | need an app to draw a graphical website map. is xfig the wrong tool for this? |
| 14:44.10 | elvirolo | how do i force a package removal ? |
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| 14:44.14 | antgel | *site* map, that is |
| 14:44.17 | tarzeau | elvirolo: --force-all -P |
| 14:44.23 | Prog | hi |
| 14:44.47 | elvirolo | i've got libdjvulibre15 installed, and i'm trying to update KDE to version 3.5, and kdebase is conflicting with libdjvu |
| 14:44.47 | Prog | i have a trouble |
| 14:44.55 | Prog | during the installastion |
| 14:45.08 | Prog | i can't create a Raid |
| 14:45.24 | tarzeau | Prog: who is the vendor of the card? |
| 14:45.26 | elvirolo | can anyone help me ? |
| 14:45.26 | ggochuico | whats is a nasm/? |
| 14:45.33 | Prog | tyan |
| 14:45.33 | tarzeau | ggochuico: apt-cache show nasm |
| 14:45.39 | tarzeau | elvirolo: we just did |
| 14:45.44 | tarzeau | Prog: tyan scsi card? |
| 14:45.53 | Prog | but isn't an hardware trouble |
| 14:45.59 | fireba11 | it gives an error message or what ? |
| 14:46.14 | Prog | i create 5 partition |
| 14:46.15 | tarzeau | Prog: can you run ree on it and send me the dumps? |
| 14:46.23 | Prog | in the first and second hd |
| 14:46.24 | tarzeau | Prog: yes but who made the scsi controller? |
| 14:46.26 | ams_ | antgel: you can do it in any editor you like. xfig is a bit old one. inkscape is newer, but it depends on you |
| 14:46.35 | Prog | yes |
| 14:46.36 | tarzeau | Prog: or lspci output? |
| 14:46.42 | fireba11 | tarzeau: who is taling about SCSI ? |
| 14:47.02 | tarzeau | fireba11: raid controller, scsi controller, whatever |
| 14:47.04 | Prog | the hardware it' s ok |
| 14:47.07 | tarzeau | fireba11: same shit |
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| 14:47.18 | fireba11 | tarzeau: there are SATA raid controller you know ^^ |
| 14:47.25 | tarzeau | fireba11: so what? |
| 14:47.27 | Kerr | nvz: the error log is full of rfbProcessClientNormalMessage: ignoring unknown encoding type$ |
| 14:47.30 | Kerr | $g type -239 |
| 14:47.37 | tarzeau | fireba11: they also need the scsi in the kernel |
| 14:48.01 | fireba11 | Prog: so you getting an error message when trying to set it up, you want hardware or software raid .. need more info :-) |
| 14:48.34 | ggochuico | wer can i fine apt-cache?? |
| 14:48.40 | ggochuico | wer can i find apt-cache?? |
| 14:48.54 | fireba11 | ggochuico: what du you mean ? |
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| 14:49.04 | nvz | he means he is not using debian |
| 14:49.08 | nvz | and being annoying |
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| 14:49.20 | fireba11 | ggochuico: apt-cache is included even in the smallest buissnes-card-CD-iso as far as i know |
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| 14:49.24 | elvirolo | i've got libdjvulibre15 installed, and i'm trying to update KDE to version 3.5, and kdebase is conflicting with libdjvu |
| 14:49.25 | Kerr | nvz: the xsession-errors file looks a lot more usefull than the error file in .vnc |
| 14:49.37 | elvirolo | i'd like to force the removal of libdjvu |
| 14:49.38 | rapsys | I have a apt question |
| 14:49.41 | elvirolo | can anyone help me ? |
| 14:49.52 | rapsys | how to resign .deb files ? |
| 14:50.00 | tarzeau | elvirolo: dpkg -P --force-all libdjvu |
| 14:50.01 | ggochuico | ok tnx |
| 14:50.02 | nvz | Kerr: *shrug* I am too tired. I just got of work a few hours ago and only had 2 hours of sleep last night. |
| 14:50.07 | fireba11 | elvirolo: someone answered that alread ^^ |
| 14:50.08 | tarzeau | rapsys: debsign |
| 14:50.15 | fireba11 | rapsys: just ask |
| 14:50.27 | rapsys | thank's I read the man |
| 14:50.32 | Kerr | nvz: i know the feeling.. i'm crunched over this arcane laptop trying to remain sentient. |
| 14:50.37 | ggochuico | whats the use of emac is there any body who could help me |
| 14:50.38 | rapsys | hope to find what I am looking for |
| 14:50.40 | tarzeau | rapsys: also read the channel faq |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | jepagodo: any other issues ? |
| 14:50.48 | Kerr | (thinkpad 380d, it smells like a church.) |
| 14:50.59 | nvz | I am trying to finish this damn drink so I can go to bed |
| 14:51.05 | fireba11 | !slap ggochuico |
| 14:51.10 | row | I have just got a BeWAN ADSL PCI ST card, I need to use PPPoA, does anyone know any debian howtos, as it seems not supported by default? |
| 14:51.39 | fireba11 | dang .. someone revive dpkg |
| 14:51.47 | tarzeau | fireba11: use ravenbird or apt |
| 14:51.48 | Prog | tarzeau read the quesry |
| 14:51.55 | Prog | tarzeau read the query |
| 14:51.57 | fireba11 | tarzeau: same syntax ? |
| 14:52.00 | tarzeau | Prog: don't query me |
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| 14:52.06 | Prog | please |
| 14:52.14 | tarzeau | fireba11: starts with @ and ! or their name, yes same stuff |
| 14:52.28 | fireba11 | @slap ggochuico |
| 14:52.31 | ggochuico | how can i use apt-cache wer could i begin this/? |
| 14:52.33 | tarzeau | Prog: no unless you are 25, blonde, sexy don't query me |
| 14:52.37 | elvirolo | tarzeau: thanks :) |
| 14:52.42 | fireba11 | !slap ggochuico |
| 14:52.42 | abrotman | ggochuico: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 14:52.45 | fireba11 | dang |
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| 14:52.46 | Prog | it's me |
| 14:52.49 | Prog | :D |
| 14:52.50 | Prog | *_* |
| 14:52.55 | antgel | ams_: thanks |
| 14:52.57 | nvz | ggochuico: you should begin by leaving #debian or installing debian |
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| 14:53.00 | Prog | thisi is my destription |
| 14:53.18 | tarzeau | i wish sometimes i had op, i could clean up the mess here |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | description |
| 14:53.22 | ziupiu | plbgnr, set X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config of remote machine |
| 14:53.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd settle for any op being here |
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| 14:53.42 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.49 | nvz | heh |
| 14:54.14 | nvz | who;s gonna write the greycat fable .. heh |
| 14:54.16 | kioto | can i use a debian with 64-bit platform ? |
| 14:54.17 | rapsys | tarzeau: debsign just sign the .change or .dsc , that mean I need to rebuild all the binary .deb I did |
| 14:54.24 | abrotman | kioto: which 64bit platform ? |
| 14:54.25 | ggochuico | guys sory for the wrong question |
| 14:54.33 | abrotman | ggochuico: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 14:54.47 | rapsys | tarzeau: is their some sommand like rpm --resign *.rpm to resign builded .deb files ? |
| 14:54.49 | TNKS | hi all. I was /positive/ there was a way to set the kernel up to record console messages to /var/log/boot (which have more print-lines than dmesg), but I can't find the option anymore. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? |
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| 14:55.43 | kioto | i mean for platform hardware for 64-bit |
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| 14:55.56 | row | Does PPPoA work in debian without having to patch stuff? |
| 14:55.58 | abrotman | kioto: yes .. WHICH 64bit platform ? |
| 14:56.02 | row | 2.6 |
| 14:56.03 | ggochuico | i am using knoppix 3.4 |
| 14:56.09 | kioto | amd-64bit |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | ggochuico: take yourself and your questions to #knoppix |
| 14:56.24 | abrotman | @amd64 |
| 14:56.33 | daemos | lol |
| 14:56.35 | abrotman | oh ffs .. all the god damn bots are dying |
| 14:56.38 | abrotman | ~amd64 |
| 14:56.40 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
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| 14:56.45 | abrotman | kioto: /j #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:57.15 | fireba11 | abrotman: am wondering what happended to the other bots though |
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| 14:57.20 | kioto | oki abrotman |
| 14:57.25 | en1gma | hi all |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | fireba11: dpkg is trying to solve cold fusion .. |
| 14:57.36 | daemos | hi |
| 14:57.54 | en1gma | i cant remember the "/list" command to get it display only channels with "ppc" in channel name |
| 14:57.57 | en1gma | sup sup |
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| 14:58.06 | fireba11 | abrotman: tell me when he's done so i can ask him about it and apply for a patent .. ^^ |
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| 15:00.05 | abrotman | en1gma: what channel are you looking for ? |
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| 15:00.25 | en1gma | well anything i just want the search to work |
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| 15:00.30 | en1gma | or "list" i mena |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | en1gma: what is your irc client ? |
| 15:01.49 | en1gma | x-chat |
| 15:01.52 | abrotman | ask #xchat |
| 15:02.00 | en1gma | okie |
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| 15:03.06 | tarzeau | what is the other tool like dupload? |
| 15:04.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: what does dupload do ? :) |
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| 15:04.29 | ams_ | abrotman, apt-cache show dupload |
| 15:04.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: dupload (1) - utility to upload Debian packages |
| 15:04.31 | azeem | tarzeau: dput |
| 15:04.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: synfig almost builds! |
| 15:04.39 | abrotman | ams_: the bot didn't know |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | @info dupload |
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| 15:04.59 | abrotman | <ravenbird> Package 'dupload' does not exist. |
| 15:05.04 | Ekaterin | Since I upgraded to sarge, I can't open Word attachments with pine. The problem seems to be that pine saves the attachments as temporary files that don't end in .doc and abiword doesn't like this. How can I fix this problem? I tried editing /etc/mailcap but it didn't help. |
| 15:05.11 | abrotman | of course .. i have no idea what package it belongs to |
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| 15:05.31 | abrotman | pine's not in debian |
| 15:05.32 | azeem | Package: dupload |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | azeem: bot says it's not in sid .. don't ask me :) |
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| 15:06.07 | abrotman | of course .. broken bots seems to be the order of the day |
| 15:06.07 | azeem | abrotman: see earlier comments about Ravenbird and crack pipes :9 |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | sussudio: can we get badgers? |
| 15:06.35 | azeem | 15:19 < ravenbird> Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 706 packages, 264 maintainers, 1859 MB installed size, 509 MB compressed size. |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | azeem: obviously he's using the netinst :) |
| 15:06.55 | ggochuico | can i run a starcraft game in linux?? |
| 15:07.05 | abrotman | ggochuico: YOU'RE NOT RUNNING DEBIAN |
| 15:07.06 | azeem | ggochuico: starcraft runs fine through wine |
| 15:07.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: neat i didn't bother to try anymore |
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| 15:07.43 | azeem | hrm, need more coffee |
| 15:07.55 | Ekaterin | abrotman: I don't suppose there's a free substitute for pine, is there? |
| 15:07.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: he posted some fixes .. but it still won't compile .. he's trying to use private members |
| 15:07.58 | bibe | !coffee azeem |
| 15:08.08 | abrotman | Ekaterin: you mean that works just like pine ? |
| 15:08.08 | azeem | bibe: dpkg is down, but thanks |
| 15:08.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about the itp and debian package? |
| 15:08.13 | ggochuico | i am runing debian |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | ggochuico: no .. you're running knoppix |
| 15:08.22 | azeem | Ekaterin: mutt |
| 15:08.22 | bibe | azeem : ok |
| 15:08.30 | abrotman | i wish elmo were more stable |
| 15:08.45 | Ekaterin | That's similar enough to pine not to confuse the rather large number of pine users we have here. |
| 15:08.46 | ggochuico | could me how to run starcraft in wine?? |
| 15:08.56 | tarzeau | ggochuico: could you shut the fuck up? |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | azeem: yes .. i konw :) |
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| 15:09.10 | tarzeau | ggochuico: this is not #gametome or #wine here |
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| 15:09.22 | ggochuico | ok |
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| 15:09.26 | ggochuico | tnx |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | !ops ggochuico is running knoppix and continues to ask questions in here after being told to go to #knoppix |
| 15:09.33 | tarzeau | you're welcome |
| 15:09.34 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:09.34 | row | Does pppd have pppoatm patch in testing? |
| 15:09.35 | resiak | abrotman: dpkg is fucked |
| 15:09.37 | abrotman | @ops ggochuico is running knoppix and continues to ask questions in here after being told to go to #knoppix |
| 15:09.37 | ravenbird | okay, abrotman |
| 15:09.41 | resiak | HAHAH |
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| 15:09.49 | abrotman | ~ops ggochuico is running knoppix and continues to ask questions in here after being told to go to #knoppix |
| 15:09.50 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ggochuico is running knoppix and continues to ask questions in here after being told to go to #knoppix |
| 15:09.50 | azeem | tarzeau: if you don't want to help people with wine, that's fine, ignore them |
| 15:10.03 | abrotman | @forget ops ggochuico |
| 15:10.04 | ravenbird | abrotman: i didn't have anything called 'ops ggochuico' to forget |
| 15:10.24 | tarzeau | azeem: it not that, it's annoying to get repeats multiple times within 25 lines |
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| 15:10.32 | electron_ | hi, how do I check user info, like phone, address ect, you know when you create an account and it asks for all of that, how do I view it? |
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| 15:10.45 | resiak | electron_: finger user_name_here |
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| 15:10.53 | tarzeau | electron_: chfn |
| 15:10.54 | abrotman | finger resiak |
| 15:10.55 | ams_ | ggochuico, http://www.google.com/search?q=starcraft+wine |
| 15:11.05 | azeem | tarzeau: he first asked about starcraft in general and then concerning wine specifically |
| 15:11.16 | abrotman | and he's still running knoppix |
| 15:11.19 | azeem | indeed |
| 15:11.57 | resiak | aOn since Mon Nov 14 01:23 (GMT) on :0 (messages off) |
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| 15:11.59 | resiak | argh |
| 15:12.07 | resiak | abrotman: Imagine I'd hit <TAB> before pasting taht. |
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| 15:12.19 | electron_ | what about a specific user? |
| 15:12.24 | abrotman | resiak: messages off ? |
| 15:12.26 | electron_ | or do I have to login as them? |
| 15:12.31 | abrotman | electron_: finger <user> |
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| 15:12.33 | Ekaterin | Since /list isn't working right now, can anyone tell me the best channel to ask about pine in? |
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| 15:12.43 | azeem | electron_: getent passwd | grep <user> |
| 15:12.44 | abrotman | Ekaterin: probably #pine ... |
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| 15:12.59 | abrotman | or .. not |
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| 15:13.14 | abrotman | Ekaterin: it's not there |
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| 15:13.30 | azeem | Ekaterin: pine is non-free, this network is mostly concerned with free software. You might not find help here |
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| 15:13.49 | azeem | also, pine might be too unimportant these days to warrant its own chan |
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| 15:13.59 | Ekaterin | Yes, I'm not sure whether #pine even exists on this server. When I try to join it I get messages like "You need to be a channel operator to do that." |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | it does not |
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| 15:14.10 | abrotman | maybe on oftc ? |
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| 15:14.20 | abrotman | is there a 'pine' mode for elmo or mutt ? |
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| 15:16.01 | BlueWings | abrotman, how can I find out whether I am running Debian? |
| 15:16.13 | Syrus | does alsa work under a 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:16.21 | abrotman | BlueWings: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. is one way |
| 15:16.31 | abrotman | BlueWings: or check your sources .. or cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:16.47 | fevel | I have a problem with my sound, if I play mp3 on xmms nothing else can use the sound card |
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| 15:18.17 | Rammst3in | somebody speak spanish? |
| 15:18.24 | abrotman | ~es |
| 15:18.25 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 15:18.34 | Rammst3in | thanks |
| 15:18.51 | samuel | Rammst3in, I do, go to #debian-es for lots of others |
| 15:19.01 | Rammst3in | thanks ;) |
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| 15:19.24 | relic | which country is .es? |
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| 15:19.29 | Syrus | spain |
| 15:19.33 | Syrus | espagne |
| 15:19.34 | relic | oh |
| 15:19.37 | Syrus | or whatever |
| 15:19.41 | Zerial | spain, in spanish - ESpaņa :P |
| 15:19.56 | relic | weird :s |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | what's the TLD for cuba? .. i don't think i've ever seen one |
| 15:20.45 | relic | no |
| 15:20.58 | Zerial | .cu |
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| 15:21.03 | relic | O.o |
| 15:21.04 | Zerial | .com.cu |
| 15:21.49 | ams_ | Syrus, alsa works under 2.4 |
| 15:22.16 | ams_ | Syrus, i tried debian source for zd1211 and it installs to the right place for my 2.6.14.2 |
| 15:22.23 | relic | outside alsa ;) |
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| 15:23.36 | Roey | hi |
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| 15:24.06 | angelgabriel | 768 people, and no one can say hi back to Roey? |
| 15:24.23 | angelgabriel | Hi Roey |
| 15:24.23 | Ronin | with good reason angelgabriel too |
| 15:24.33 | asg | angelgabriel: why waste space on formalities |
| 15:24.56 | Roey | hey angelgabriel!! |
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| 15:25.20 | Roey | asg: hey, you. I'm just getting my complaint/question up on pastebin. |
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| 15:25.28 | Roey | asg: that way I don't need to flood #debian. |
| 15:25.34 | angelgabriel | Ronin - Hmm.. interesting name..... If I remember rightly, it means "has no master" |
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| 15:25.45 | Ronin | angelgabriel: :) |
| 15:25.55 | abrotman | i'd talk to Roey .. but he's from south of the mason-dixon .. he'll shoot at me |
| 15:26.10 | Roey | heh |
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| 15:26.20 | Roey | abrotman: not with maryland's absurd anti-gun laws. |
| 15:26.33 | abrotman | nothing wrong with anti-gun laws |
| 15:26.47 | angelgabriel | HEY !! You Americans are lucky you can even GET guns ... here in the UK they banned straight out! |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | explain to me how i'm lucky :) |
| 15:27.15 | petemc | angelgabriel: no they arent |
| 15:27.22 | nse | Hello everybody! My system in the boot process is complaining thatabout some thing related about fsck, mounted deviced anb superblocks. It's saying that a ext2 filesystem is nout found in the superbloc, and tell me to run e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2 - after running it gaves me the same thing, to run the same thing. Running fsck /dev/hda2 says that it's ok, e2fsck /dev/hda2 gave me the same output of e2fsck without the -b option. What I need to do to go round this? |
| 15:27.30 | twisted|work | A friend of mine got a SCSI RAID with several harddrives, now it seems it's having some I/O errors, what tool/program could I use (the lower-level the better) to (agressivly?) test it's I/O? |
| 15:27.34 | Roey | asg, abrotman, angelgabriel: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MSjxNl80.html |
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| 15:27.50 | Roey | asg, abrotman, angelgabriel: why isn't it working and how can I get it to work? :) |
| 15:27.52 | petemc | twisted|work: bonnie |
| 15:28.11 | kioto | bye alll |
| 15:28.17 | twisted|work | petemc: hmm, I'll check it out, thanks |
| 15:28.50 | Roey | angelgabriel: in a public referendum, Brasil's people voted a solid 'no' to more stringent gun laws |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | Roey: i don't tihnk blackdown works anymore |
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| 15:29.24 | abrotman | oh wait .. ignorem e |
| 15:29.29 | Roey | heh |
| 15:29.49 | abrotman | Roey: uhm .. which version of debian are you on ? |
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| 15:30.32 | angelgabriel | Roey - Yeah, I heard about that brasil vote - but i don't blame them - it comes down to the old sayin' fight fire with fire |
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| 15:31.11 | angelgabriel | But hey - it's human nature to try and kick someone elses ass, to wreck someone elses hard work, and to be destructive. Doesn't make it right, but that's what we are |
| 15:31.31 | ArtVandalae | word |
| 15:31.34 | abrotman | i saw a funny shirt the other day ... "Apes don't kill Apes" :) |
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| 15:31.44 | darren | hello, could anyone help a noob sort his screen resolution out? |
| 15:32.03 | stew | !drxx darren |
| 15:32.03 | ArtVandalae | darren, just ask |
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| 15:32.15 | abrotman | stew: all the bots are dying |
| 15:32.17 | abrotman | or dead |
| 15:32.23 | stew | ~drxx darren |
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| 15:32.31 | abrotman | try ravenbird |
| 15:32.37 | stew | @drxx darren |
| 15:32.51 | stew | darren: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:33.00 | abrotman | or xserver-xorg |
| 15:33.13 | abrotman | sussudio: BADGERS! |
| 15:33.46 | ziupiu | nse, try with 32768 |
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| 15:34.02 | darren | i'll give that a go, cheers! |
| 15:34.04 | abrotman | Roey: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/contrib/j/java-package/java-package_0.27/changelog |
| 15:34.17 | angelgabriel | Apes don't kill Apes? Funny!! *give them all bank accounts, and introduce a alpha ape system, and hand out a few stupid jobs, and make one of two of them ape clebrities - If we really do share 98% of our DNA, then they should start acting like us, and whoop each others ass!* |
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| 15:34.49 | abrotman | angelgabriel: there is an alpha ape ... |
| 15:35.25 | TheCount | and it's ME ME ME ME ME! |
| 15:35.34 | azeem | apes are also known to start wars (including killing) with other apes |
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| 15:39.17 | asg | Zerial: turn that off |
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| 15:39.36 | yann_ | hi |
| 15:39.42 | yann_ | i have some loss on my network (43% packet loss) |
| 15:39.48 | yann_ | which tools can i use to find out where does it come from? |
| 15:39.57 | yann_ | i have a root access on several distant computers |
| 15:40.08 | darren | i tried the dpkg-reconfigure thing, however it's still not allowing me to set my screen resolution to 1280x1024 |
| 15:40.15 | asg | yann_: ethtool, mii-tool (verify duplex and line speed) |
| 15:40.19 | Roey | abrotman: so I should be using java-package instead of j2se-package?? |
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| 15:40.59 | angelgabriel | Thinks about it.... *oh yeah, there is an alpha ape....* okay, throw in a beta ape... and maybe a kappa ape with a god complex |
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| 15:41.04 | asg | yann_: or traceroute to see if some upstream routers are experiencing issues. |
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| 15:42.39 | resiak | darren: Did you restart X? |
| 15:43.06 | darren | i logged out and then back in again, is that enough? or should i restart completely? |
| 15:43.16 | Roey | abrotman: I get the same error! |
| 15:43.31 | angelgabriel | darren That doesn't restart X - Ctrl - Alt - BackSpace |
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| 15:44.16 | phaedral | hi all; i have to manually kill artsd when i wanna run xmms in kde; clues on a better answer? |
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| 15:45.17 | yann_ | asg, ok thanks |
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| 15:45.24 | darren | cheers, that worked :) |
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| 15:45.27 | Raden | is there a way for me to change my graphical setting in KDE fr0om console i messed up my grphics setting and now i cant login keeps sending me back to login prompt |
| 15:45.30 | Skrotto | phaedral: Turn of artsd in kcontrol |
| 15:45.42 | ziupiu | phaedral, launch it with artsdsp |
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| 15:46.07 | yann_ | asg, but it's probably the ADSL line which causes pb |
| 15:46.24 | resiak | phaedral: Make xmms output to arts? |
| 15:46.46 | phaedral | resiak: that sounds promising; easy for non-gurus? |
| 15:47.10 | Skrotto | phaedral: Launch xmms with "artsdsp xmms" |
| 15:47.28 | darren | when i start x, i get the error "Error activating XKB configuration". any ideas how to fix it? is that to do with the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:47.34 | Wombat3|Lab | I'm trying to use the debian netinst cd. when detecting CD-ROM the first time, it freezes on sd_mod. anyone know how to disable it? |
| 15:47.45 | resiak | phaedral: Look into xmms' output plugin settings |
| 15:48.01 | phaedral | Skrotto: thanks; resiak will do |
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| 15:48.02 | phaedral | thank |
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| 15:48.05 | phaedral | s |
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| 15:48.23 | abrotman | Roey: no .. read the change log |
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| 15:49.15 | Wombat3|Lab | I tried to disable it in expert mode, but it wasn't on the list |
| 15:49.16 | plbgnr | ziupiu: thanks :)))) it works now ;) |
| 15:50.01 | phaedral | no arts in output plugins; oss, alsa, esound and discwriter |
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| 15:50.16 | lpb-oberon | wich files do i need to bind mount to a chroot in order to get sshd working |
| 15:50.19 | Roey | abrotman: "* Added support for IBM Java2 5.0 JREs and JDKs" |
| 15:50.25 | Roey | abrotman: ok, that's what I'm trying to install |
| 15:50.31 | aubergine | How can i see, how long a network interface is up? |
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| 15:51.03 | ams_ | lpb-oberon, ldd sshd |
| 15:51.11 | lpb-oberon | ldd?! |
| 15:51.34 | ams_ | lpb-oberon, run ldd program on sshd, it will tell you the dependencies |
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| 15:52.57 | Wombat3|Lab | agh, I gtg. bbl |
| 15:54.14 | lpb-oberon | ams_: the libs ar ok:) i am wondering if i need to mount /proc oder some dev files to the chroot |
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| 15:55.08 | Roey | abrotman: I don't get it |
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| 15:55.43 | keroro | hello,anyone can answer my quesion? |
| 15:55.52 | keroro | i am install the Debian |
| 15:55.53 | Alessio | hi |
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| 15:56.14 | keroro | but,my debian can't connect to my route when i install with "linux26" |
| 15:56.15 | Alessio | how can apply original patch for debian kernel? |
| 15:56.20 | Alessio | 2.4.25 |
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| 15:57.05 | Zerial | why in the install menu from debian installer does't appear "Partition disk manually" ? |
| 15:57.05 | Alessio | kernel-patch-mppe - MPPE Encryption for PPP |
| 15:57.13 | Alessio | can anyone help me? |
| 15:57.17 | ams_ | lpb-oberon, no but you need some configurations from /etc and /var/run |
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| 15:58.18 | aubergine | How can i see, how long a network interface is up? |
| 15:58.43 | Zerial | i try to install Debian Etch but o the install menu .. the option "Partition disks" not appear |
| 15:58.55 | lestest | is editing /etc/export sufficient to export a nfs directory? |
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| 15:59.27 | Roey | abrotman: ok I think I get it now--I was trying to install the jdk+netbeans self-extracting binary, when the java-package tool just wanted a jdk5 self-extracing binary |
| 15:59.30 | Roey | fuck I don't like java. |
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| 15:59.47 | wang | yeah it's annoying |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | Roey: ah ok |
| 16:00.14 | Alessio | anyone? |
| 16:00.18 | Roey | abrotman: so I'm downloading >just< jdk5.0 now. |
| 16:00.26 | angelgabriel | BLOODY OS X - REALLY getting on my nerves!!! It keeps deciding to sleep every 5 minutes! |
| 16:00.33 | Roey | Alessio: what do you mean |
| 16:00.39 | Roey | Alessio: original patch for a debian kernel? |
| 16:00.42 | angelgabriel | But OSX is still absolutly brilliant - OT, I know.... |
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| 16:00.50 | Alessio | i have installed it with apt-get |
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| 16:01.02 | Alessio | kernel-patch-mppe - MPPE Encryption for PPP |
| 16:01.36 | tpham | has anyone used fujitsu laptop with debian, i can get it to work w/ synaptics :-/ |
| 16:01.55 | wang | wtf |
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| 16:04.44 | lestest | tpham: what's the problem? |
| 16:05.23 | Alessio | Roey: how can i compile kernel with it? |
| 16:05.30 | Roey | Alessio: oh I do not know |
| 16:05.41 | Alessio | :) |
| 16:05.53 | cahoot | tpham: maybe this can be of use: http://www.tctwest.net/~mlewis00/XF86Config-4.synaptics |
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| 16:06.10 | wang | i like a to do da cha-cha |
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| 16:09.16 | fevel | how do I use dmesg to find my sound system? |
| 16:09.30 | petemc | fevel: read it |
| 16:09.45 | petemc | fevel: you can also poke around /proc/asound/ |
| 16:09.50 | petemc | or use lspci |
| 16:10.34 | fevel | petemc: I meant xorg or xfree...I dont know which one I use |
| 16:10.42 | SuperSox | my x session keeps locking up, everything seems to be running but it won't respond to any input, how would I go about checking what's causing it? (I seem to have to reboot the box to repair it) |
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| 16:11.14 | petemc | fevel: oh, you mean arts or esd? ps, or lsof |
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| 16:11.50 | Alessio | anyone can hel me= |
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| 16:12.35 | ams_ | SuperSox, read /var/log/xorg.log (or /var/log/xfree86.log) |
| 16:12.43 | petemc | Alessio: would you consider being told to google for some documentation/guides help? |
| 16:12.54 | fevel | petemc: I thing I use oss...is that possible?? |
| 16:13.05 | Alessio | i have search |
| 16:13.05 | fevel | since xmms uses the oss plugin |
| 16:13.13 | ams_ | fevel, sure it is possible |
| 16:13.14 | petemc | fevel: anythings possible, alsa can emulate oss |
| 16:13.26 | Alessio | this is only |
| 16:13.33 | Alessio | make-kpkg --append-to-version -mppe --config menuconfig - |
| 16:13.37 | fevel | petemc: the problem is that with oss I can only hear one sound at a time |
| 16:13.44 | Alessio | where mppe is the patch |
| 16:13.46 | SuperSox | ams_: I've also got a funny feeling this might be related to alsa, as the problems have only started since I got my sound card working... I feel a lot of my problems may be solved by installing a 2.6 kernel... but, every time I boot one of those I get a kernel panic and somehting about pivot_root |
| 16:13.49 | Alessio | is correct? |
| 16:13.54 | petemc | fevel: you might find the same problem with also too |
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| 16:14.08 | fevel | petemc: Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 16:14.21 | petemc | fevel: dmix, or get a better supported card |
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| 16:15.28 | takatumi | SuperSox: the pivot_root error might be initrd related. |
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| 16:15.46 | SuperSox | takatumi: from my reading it is - but I don't know how to solve it |
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| 16:16.51 | ams_ | SuperSox, did it write something about /dev/console? |
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| 16:17.13 | SuperSox | ams_: yep |
| 16:17.40 | ams_ | SuperSox, try apt-get install udev |
| 16:17.41 | Roey | abrotman: ok, what is this: I do 'fakeroot make-jpg sun-java-1.5.bin' and I see a lot of '/home/roey/tmp/jdk-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin: line 509: /usr/share/mime-info/java-archive.keys: Permission denied' |
| 16:17.44 | Roey | abrotman: is that normal? |
| 16:17.57 | Roey | abrotman: because sun's script tries to mess with /etc and /usr and all? |
| 16:18.10 | takatumi | SuperSox: debian packaged kernel? check the bootloader config if an initrd line has been added, if not add it. |
| 16:18.25 | SuperSox | ams_: udev is latest version |
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| 16:19.10 | SuperSox | takatumi: nope the initrd lines are there |
| 16:19.24 | ams_ | SuperSox, did you compile kernel yourself? |
| 16:19.31 | SuperSox | ams_: nope debian package |
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| 16:19.58 | SuperSox | fyi: Running sarge on and AMD64 with a Sata drive |
| 16:20.00 | Roey | abrotman: I think so actually. Well I am installing the debian package it made now |
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| 16:20.21 | pif | in /etc/pam.d/xdm there is "auth required pam_env.so readenv=1", but /etc/environment is not parsed (when logging in through ssh it is), any idea why? |
| 16:20.27 | aubergine | i have only 1 hdd mounted with /dev/hda1 on / type ext3, so how can i only mount /tmp nonexec ? |
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| 16:21.20 | ams_ | aubergine, you can't |
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| 16:22.22 | ams_ | aubergine, you can only do it by creating a loop mount |
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| 16:23.37 | brosioz | how can i monitor my ink level of my hp printer ? |
| 16:23.41 | ams_ | SuperSox, do you use SATA disk? |
| 16:23.58 | ams_ | brosioz, is it a net printer? |
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| 16:24.04 | SuperSox | ams_: yip - my ide one failed |
| 16:24.10 | brosioz | ams_, local |
| 16:24.32 | ams_ | SuperSox, you may need to compile the sata disk support into the kernel |
| 16:24.48 | SuperSox | ams_: ah, so I'm looking at compiling 2.6 by hand? |
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| 16:25.06 | wang | can anyone recommend a good html editor for learning html tags etc? |
| 16:25.09 | zuralin | sata support is on by default iirc |
| 16:25.18 | ams_ | SuperSox, it seems so |
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| 16:25.31 | antgel | ams_: are you sure or speculating? |
| 16:25.32 | ams_ | brosioz, hpoj perhaps will help |
| 16:25.44 | Red-Sox | hello |
| 16:25.52 | ams_ | antgel, about what? |
| 16:25.56 | SuperSox | is there any chance migrating to testing might solve this? |
| 16:26.04 | antgel | ams_: about telling SuperSox to build a kernel |
| 16:26.13 | antgel | SuperSox: no |
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| 16:26.23 | SuperSox | antgel: I'm not adverse to building a kernel, I'd just rather avoid it |
| 16:26.51 | Red-Sox | If this is off topic, say so, but I need to install enlightenment 17 on a debian base linux |
| 16:26.56 | ams_ | antgel, some people told it helped |
| 16:27.11 | antgel | SuperSox: my point is that he's telling you to buid one on the basis that it the stock kernel *may* not include drivers. why not check the stock kernel config? |
| 16:27.18 | stew | Red-Sox: you need to install e17 into ubuntu? |
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| 16:27.28 | antgel | ams_: you are getting vaguer by the minute |
| 16:27.31 | Red-Sox | stew: that is correct |
| 16:27.36 | stew | Red-Sox: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:27.56 | Red-Sox | stew: i was afraid u wer going to say that |
| 16:27.58 | SuperSox | antgel: where is the config file, or will I need to download the src? |
| 16:28.02 | antgel | !topicsmite Red-Sox |
| 16:28.07 | antgel | SuperSox: ls /boot/config* |
| 16:28.23 | antgel | dpkg: you're broke |
| 16:28.24 | Syruss | hmm |
| 16:28.31 | Syruss | looks like it was a biosy/irq prob |
| 16:28.32 | Syruss | I hope |
| 16:28.33 | Red-Sox | antgel: i didnt get a message |
| 16:28.36 | stew | SuperSox: what would you change in your kernel config to fix your problem? |
| 16:28.44 | ams_ | SuperSox, what is your kernel command line in grub? |
| 16:28.47 | antgel | Red-Sox: indeed. the bot is broken. read the /topic |
| 16:28.49 | SuperSox | stew: I've no idea |
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| 16:29.02 | xerophyte | whois server hardware is cheap and reliable |
| 16:29.22 | antgel | !tell xerophyte about vague |
| 16:29.26 | antgel | grr |
| 16:29.32 | stew | xerophyte: was that a question? |
| 16:29.54 | blaamann | Red-Sox: The last time I tried building E17 on Ubuntu it did not work. Debian builds E17 without problems. |
| 16:29.55 | SuperSox | ams_: would it be ok to /msg you the grub contents? |
| 16:30.17 | ams_ | SuperSox, yes |
| 16:30.31 | stew | SuperSox: what version of debian? what kernel are you currently running? |
| 16:31.21 | SuperSox | stew: running debian sarge, currently running 2.4.27-2-k7, on an AMD64 with a single sata hard disk |
| 16:31.23 | Red-Sox | blaamann: ubuntu is debian, i thought? |
| 16:31.36 | SuperSox | Red-Sox: no, ubuntu is based on debian |
| 16:31.37 | stew | Red-Sox: its not |
| 16:31.42 | Red-Sox | hm |
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| 16:31.51 | nlight | Guys.. any ideas why the 'qcad' package is broken? |
| 16:31.56 | nlight | on unstable |
| 16:31.59 | ams_ | SuperSox, change root from /dev/hde to /dev/sda? |
| 16:32.01 | SuperSox | Red-Sox: in much the same way that Debian GNU/Linux uses the Linux kernel |
| 16:32.04 | stew | nlight: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:32.24 | SuperSox | ams_: but on the working 2.4 kernels they are also hde ? |
| 16:32.29 | Red-Sox | SuperSox: is debian better? |
| 16:32.44 | SuperSox | Red-Sox: better is subjective... and I've not use unbuntu |
| 16:32.55 | ams_ | SuperSox, take a look at http://kerneltrap.org/node/4677 |
| 16:33.05 | Red-Sox | supersox: what is the default window manager? |
| 16:33.13 | antgel | Red-Sox: there isn't one. |
| 16:33.25 | Red-Sox | it starts with the command line?@ |
| 16:33.28 | Red-Sox | ?!* |
| 16:33.29 | Demostene | Red-Sox if you are not a power user go on with Ubuntu ... if you want to build up a server go and look to Debian |
| 16:33.41 | bibe | no bots alive? I don't remember the command line to install build dependencies for package foo |
| 16:33.43 | Red-Sox | ubuntu for me |
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| 16:33.58 | stew | Red-Sox: yes, it doesn't install X by default, by default it only installs the bare minimum |
| 16:34.03 | antgel | Demostene: that's rather an oversimplification |
| 16:34.06 | SuperSox | nah, afair the sarge debian installer will boot with gnome if you tell it you want a workstation install |
| 16:34.52 | Demostene | antgel you are right but what to tell in a few words? |
| 16:35.27 | stew | i think its a good enough simplification |
| 16:35.54 | blaamann | Red-Sox: If you need a desktop I would recommend Mandriva even though I myself use Debian Sarge for my desktop + E17 + OpenOffice2 |
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| 16:36.08 | antgel | Demostene: nothing |
| 16:36.16 | stew | blaamann: why would you recommend mandriva over ubuntu? |
| 16:36.22 | Red-Sox | blaamann: how did you install E17? |
| 16:36.29 | Demostene | blaamann what's E17? |
| 16:36.32 | plbgnr | hello, does anybody use mc? ...I use ftp client in it and have downloaded part of file ...is possible now continue downloading? (there are options Update,Reget, which I'm not sure what doing) |
| 16:36.33 | antgel | blaamann: perhaps you would like to give a reason over saying "i like dogs"? |
| 16:36.36 | abrotman | Roey: did you get it ? |
| 16:36.47 | liran_ | general question, i was just untaring some perl module and the owner/groups are weird. -rw-r--r-- 1 22958 80 247 Sep 30 2000 Changes -> whats the meaning of those numbers? |
| 16:36.56 | Roey | abrotman: yeah but when I execute java it runsthe SableVM version. |
| 16:37.09 | antgel | liran_: user and group for non-existent ones |
| 16:37.21 | liran_ | antgel, these are the default on every system? |
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| 16:37.29 | antgel | liran_: is the module not in debian? |
| 16:37.38 | liran_ | antgel, i downloaded the module from cpan |
| 16:37.38 | ams_ | liran_, on the system the files was created on |
| 16:37.41 | abrotman | Roey: you might need to update alternatives |
| 16:37.53 | antgel | liran_: i repeat. is the module not in debian? |
| 16:38.11 | Roey | abrotman: right, asyd said this just now in ##java |
| 16:38.13 | liran_ | antgel, i dont know cause i didnt try to get it thrugh debian. i manually downloaded and compiled |
| 16:38.14 | Roey | abrotman: thanks btw |
| 16:38.23 | blaamann | stew: I don't have to give any reasons for my liking. I use/adminstrate both Ubuntu and Mandriva and from that I will recommend Mandriva for new Linux users. |
| 16:38.33 | abrotman | Roey: is sablevm installed ? |
| 16:38.43 | Roey | yeah |
| 16:38.46 | Roey | actually one sec |
| 16:38.47 | TiMiDo | JØÏnT |
| 16:38.50 | antgel | liran_: please learn to use debian's package management, to avoid 1)hassle 2)hosing your box |
| 16:38.56 | abrotman | why would anyone use mandriva .. ever ? |
| 16:38.56 | antgel | 3)questions like these |
| 16:38.57 | blaamann | Red-Sox: I install E17 from their cvs servers |
| 16:39.03 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 16:39.07 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 16:39.11 | Roey | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hagvIS38.html |
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| 16:39.18 | abrotman | blaamann: there are E17 packages available |
| 16:39.19 | antgel | blaamann: if you are going to advocate another distro in here and give no reason, people will think you are trolling |
| 16:39.20 | liran_ | antgel, ok cool. how do i install perl modules with debians package manager? |
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| 16:39.32 | abrotman | Roey: you want the last one i think |
| 16:39.33 | antgel | liran_: have you read the debian reference? |
| 16:39.47 | TiMiDo | JØÏnT SCRlPT |
| 16:39.54 | liran_ | antgel, for general apt-get or specific perl modules installation? |
| 16:40.01 | Roey | abrotman: ok |
| 16:40.05 | blaamann | I will never do that again, but someone else was talking about another distro. Sorry about that. |
| 16:40.10 | Roey | abrotman: what about setting $JAVA_HOME and $CLASSPATH and all that? |
| 16:40.33 | antgel | liran_: well, doesn't matter as you appear to know about apt. try aptitude search <module> |
| 16:40.41 | stew | Roey: you shouldn't have to touch those |
| 16:40.46 | Roey | stew: ok. |
| 16:40.53 | stew | Roey: i mean, things should work fine if they are unset |
| 16:41.01 | abrotman | Roey: i odn't think you need to |
| 16:41.13 | blaamann | abrotman: Never tried it, but you mean the shadoi debs ? |
| 16:41.17 | stew | Roey: though some things might wanna see JAVA_HOME pointing to /usr/lib/j2sek1.5-sun or whatever it is, but try without first |
| 16:41.25 | Roey | stew: ah ok |
| 16:41.29 | liran_ | when i search for packages and it shows i or p or A, what does it mean? |
| 16:41.38 | Roey | stew, abrotman: how should I run update-alternatives? |
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| 16:41.49 | stew | update-alternatives --config java |
| 16:41.51 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 16:42.02 | Roey | stew: thank you |
| 16:42.11 | abrotman | blaamann: yes |
| 16:42.21 | abrotman | blaamann: though .. TBH .. not sure how up to date they are |
| 16:42.30 | Roey | stew: *perfect*, thanks |
| 16:44.57 | antgel | blaamann: at least give us your reason so we can disagree |
| 16:45.00 | gigabytes | when will openoffice 2 be ported to testing? |
| 16:45.13 | antgel | gigabytes: when it's ready |
| 16:45.23 | gigabytes | yes, of course |
| 16:45.38 | gigabytes | then the question is: when will openoffice 2 be ready? |
| 16:45.42 | gigabytes | :D |
| 16:46.09 | asg | gigabytes: #debian-oo |
| 16:46.16 | gigabytes | thanks |
| 16:47.17 | SuperSox | nope, changing my root= line to sda didn't work |
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| 16:47.32 | blaamann | antgel: For instance my laptop with Centrino Wirelss worked out of the box with the other distro I want mention with a name. |
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| 16:48.18 | Syruss | is there an irq browser thing for linux? |
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| 16:48.31 | Syruss | can I just cat /sys/something or something? |
| 16:48.37 | Syruss | I mean /proc/sys/stuff? |
| 16:48.39 | asg | Syruss: /proc/interrupts and /proc/irq |
| 16:48.40 | antgel | Syruss: cat /proc/interrupts (i think) |
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| 16:48.52 | blaamann | gigabytes: You could try alien with the rpm packages from openoffice.org |
| 16:49.05 | row | Does anyone know how to compile unicorn-source package here? |
| 16:49.09 | row | its failing for me |
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| 16:49.24 | antgel | ~test |
| 16:49.25 | apt | Test Failed! |
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| 16:49.34 | Syruss | yay |
| 16:49.35 | gigabytes | blaamann, yes I've just done that, but debian packages are cooler :D |
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| 16:49.44 | cokehabit | wow, few people in here |
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| 16:49.54 | blaamann | gigabytes: You are right |
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| 16:51.01 | asg | row: try using 'module-assistant' and see if it will build it for you |
| 16:51.10 | row | asg: k |
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| 16:52.19 | fevel | Is there a way to make the system log into gnome bypassing the login manager?? |
| 16:52.47 | bibe | ~simple sid backport |
| 16:52.50 | apt | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 16:52.55 | antgel | fevel: if you mean automatically login as a user, then your login manager should have such a feature |
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| 16:53.31 | fevel | antgel: thank you |
| 16:53.35 | relajo_ | how can i see a pc mac address by its ip |
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| 16:54.04 | antgel | relajo_: arp |
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| 16:54.13 | Esp1 | i am trying to mount a HD, but i am getting this "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde1, or too many mounted file systems"....anyone know how i can fix it? |
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| 16:54.24 | cahoot | bibe: or maybe this: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
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| 16:54.33 | Supaplex | kernel option CONFIG_PCMCIA_IOCTL is deprecated, which deprecates pcmcia-cs in favor of pcmciautils. so where's pcmciautils? |
| 16:54.38 | bibe | cahoot : thank you |
| 16:54.42 | Syruss | Esp1: how are you mounting it? |
| 16:54.56 | Syruss | (what command) |
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| 16:55.05 | antgel | Supaplex: deprecated doesn't mean you can't use it for the time being |
| 16:55.08 | Esp1 | mount /dev/hde1 /mnt/hde1 |
| 16:55.19 | antgel | Esp1: fdisk -l /dev/hde1 |
| 16:55.24 | row | asg: It failed even with that. |
| 16:55.25 | antgel | doh |
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| 16:55.30 | antgel | s/hde1/hde |
| 16:56.01 | bibe | cahoot : how would you port an ubuntu package (acpi-support) containing all scripts to sarge? |
| 16:56.28 | row | asg: its failing on the usb part, I am using pci modem anyway I can stop usb drivers compiling? |
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| 16:56.43 | cahoot | bibe: sorry no idea - and wouldn't dare speak of ubuntu here anyway ;) |
| 16:56.58 | bibe | cahoot : ok, no problem |
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| 16:57.03 | mirotrem | Hi guys...how would I go about making my debian box an IGMP snooper? |
| 16:57.25 | Syruss | igmp? |
| 16:57.27 | Esp1 | i get "Disk /dev/hde1 doesn't contain a valid partition table" with "fdisk -l" but it used to work, and have ext3 fs. |
| 16:57.42 | antgel | mirotrem: you would sniff the network for packets carrying igmp |
| 16:57.45 | petemc | mirotrem: put your nic in promiscuous mode |
| 16:57.53 | antgel | Esp1: you missed it. i meant hde |
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| 16:58.24 | asg | row: not sure, check the Makefile perhaps |
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| 16:59.10 | Esp1 | then i get the hd partitioning info. |
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| 16:59.41 | Esp1 | i guess it is a supreblock problem |
| 16:59.42 | resiak | Esp1: You're trying to partition a partition. Apply fdisk to /dev/hde instead? |
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| 16:59.54 | asg | mike_sol: Happy Meal Ethernet is much better though |
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| 17:01.14 | skiflyer | I'm having a heck of a time getting exim4 to relay my mail through a smarthost... and I don't know enough to diagnose it... can anyone point me to a good documentation which would point out how to configure both machines? |
| 17:01.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:01.29 | abrotman | dpkg: come back .. i didn't mean what i said about you! |
| 17:01.30 | ben`weg | What could be the problem when i get "segmentation Fault" when listing a directory. Not all dirs.. Just one :) |
| 17:01.33 | petemc | skiflyer: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/ |
| 17:01.36 | Esp1 | resiak: the hd have a partition, and it contains data. But i cant mount it due to a superblock problem. |
| 17:01.54 | ziupiu | ben`weg, ls? |
| 17:01.59 | petemc | skiflyer: exim -d -v -bt some@address will show useful info |
| 17:01.59 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 17:02.04 | cahoot | ben`weg: fs corruption/failing hd? |
| 17:02.08 | ben`weg | just l |
| 17:02.09 | ben`weg | and ls |
| 17:02.14 | asg | ben`weg: what kernel? is it a network filesystem? what does strace <foo> say? |
| 17:02.39 | ams_ | Esp1, restore the superblock from a reserve copy |
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| 17:03.16 | skiflyer | petemc: everything looks good to me issuing that command |
| 17:03.36 | petemc | skiflyer: so whats the problem? what do the logs say? |
| 17:03.50 | mirotrem | antgel: actually i want to make my debian box an IGMP snooping capable...if you know igmp you know what that means.. |
| 17:04.03 | skiflyer | petemc: if I had to guess I'd say it's that my mail server is denying access |
| 17:04.04 | Esp1 | ams: where is the reserve copy?....or am i fubar if i dont know? |
| 17:04.14 | petemc | skiflyer: dont guess, check the logs |
| 17:04.23 | antgel | mirotrem: i thought that igmp was an ip protocol |
| 17:04.29 | skiflyer | petemc: Yeah, I am, they're so bloated since I have messages that it's been trying to send for weeks |
| 17:04.32 | mirotrem | antgel: it is |
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| 17:04.45 | mirotrem | antgel: its for multicast group management |
| 17:04.53 | antgel | mirotrem: so tcpdump et al don't sniff it? |
| 17:04.58 | petemc | skiflyer: exim -d -v -M <messageid> , get the message id from mailq |
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| 17:05.16 | ben`weg | XFS filesys. Raid 1 (adaptec 2100S). kernel 2.6.12.3-686-smp |
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| 17:05.27 | skiflyer | petemc: Ok, thanks, I'll be back when I have useful log messages |
| 17:05.36 | ben`weg | Think filesys is damaged in some sort coz samba is acting really wierd |
| 17:05.39 | mirotrem | antgel: well snooping in this case means..it will monitor streams on eth0 and not send them out eth1 unless something on eth1 requests it..its what prevents multicast streams from being broadcast over an entire network |
| 17:05.42 | Farris1 | I'm building a RAID 5 with 8 drives, 250 to 300GB each. Any suggestions on drives |
| 17:05.43 | jair_11 | guys, if i want to set up a dhcp server the one that comes with Linux will work the same way with windows clients right? |
| 17:05.44 | Farris1 | ? |
| 17:05.53 | mirotrem | antgel: keeps the streams local to who wants it based off of igmp membership |
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| 17:06.02 | petemc | jair_11: of course |
| 17:06.08 | antgel | mirotrem: ah. well i just learnt something :) |
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| 17:06.13 | jair_11 | I want to get rid of the dhcp server windows yikes, I want to take all windows out of my network |
| 17:06.29 | antgel | Farris1: yeah don't use maxtor (and it's so rare for me to care about hardware brands) |
| 17:06.32 | mirotrem | antgel: heh..i just want my linux box to become an igmp server basically |
| 17:06.35 | Gnea | jair_11: yeah it'll work fine |
| 17:06.44 | Farris1 | antgel: Maxtor not reliable? |
| 17:06.44 | jair_11 | Gnea, petemc, have you ever set up one? |
| 17:06.47 | Gnea | jair_11: you just need to configure the dhcpd.conf file |
| 17:06.54 | Gnea | jair_11: yes. |
| 17:07.06 | jair_11 | Gnea, this will be my first time, do you have a good example? |
| 17:07.10 | jair_11 | very simple |
| 17:07.12 | Gnea | jair_11: dhcp3-server is newer |
| 17:07.16 | jair_11 | ok |
| 17:07.24 | Gnea | jair_11: yeah - the default conf file is very well documented :) |
| 17:07.27 | jair_11 | Gnea, I will need two network cards? |
| 17:07.29 | petemc | jair_11: im running one now for over 600 clients, with ips mapped to mac addresses in the config and 7 different subnets |
| 17:07.32 | Gnea | with lots of examples |
| 17:07.35 | mike_sol | haha, they just fired the marketing lady at my work. good too |
| 17:07.41 | mike_sol | she was useless |
| 17:07.47 | Gnea | jair_11: it helps |
| 17:07.59 | petemc | you dont need 2 nics.. |
| 17:07.59 | jair_11 | Gnea, ok I will check that then thanks |
| 17:08.03 | antgel | Farris1: the pile of disks on my desk and by our door says no |
| 17:08.27 | antgel | mike_sol: that's because marketing isn't a skill |
| 17:08.41 | abrotman | maxtor is fine .. depending on the family of drive |
| 17:08.42 | jair_11 | petemc, I will have a separate linux firewall using the internet connection from outside, and then bringing it to the internal network. |
| 17:08.50 | abrotman | just the same with any HDD manufacturer |
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| 17:08.58 | antgel | abrotman: i'm talking diamondmax ide. |
| 17:09.01 | skiflyer | is there an easy way to clear my entire mailqueue ? |
| 17:09.24 | abrotman | antgel: i have a 540MB from maxtor that won't die :) |
| 17:09.31 | antgel | abrotman: crapola. we have 10x the trouble with maxtors as others. that windows server tha blew up? we didn't install it, but it contained 3 maxtors |
| 17:09.46 | petemc | skiflyer: exipick -i | | xargs exim -Mrm |
| 17:09.48 | antgel | abrotman: that was made in the good old days |
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| 17:10.27 | petemc | skiflyer: one too many pipes there |
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| 17:11.01 | Orfeous | need help getting my Twinhan DVB card working under debian someone tried this or know how i should do? what tv-software to use? |
| 17:11.11 | skiflyer | petemc: that gives me "exim: malformed message id 44h after -Mrm option" |
| 17:11.20 | jair_11 | Gnea, and petemc thenak you for your information :) |
| 17:11.37 | skiflyer | petemc: nevermind |
| 17:11.41 | abrotman | antgel: i still contend it's families .. a friend of mine went through 10 of the same drive from WD(warranty replacements) .. but other WD drives are fine |
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| 17:11.47 | petemc | skiflyer: it shouldnt, exipick - i lists the message ids from the mailq, regardless, try mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm |
| 17:12.00 | cokehabit | neenee: what happened to love :( |
| 17:12.23 | antgel | skiflyer: cd /var/spool/exim/msglog; for i in `ls`; do exim -Mrm $i; done |
| 17:12.32 | antgel | that's my crappy way |
| 17:12.39 | Orfeous | are there any irc channel for those DVB cards? |
| 17:12.43 | skiflyer | it's empty now... when I removed the excess pipe I had killed the -i |
| 17:12.59 | neenee | cokehabit - apparently most parts are now in the vanilla kernel |
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| 17:13.43 | samuel | anyone know this? flash player (from macromedia.com) does not show text? anyone know if im missing a font or something like that? |
| 17:14.07 | dfinn | what is log_daemon_msg supposed to do? I updated clamav from a dotdeb package and the startup script is trying to call that but it doesn't exist |
| 17:14.11 | neenee | er.. flash doesn't need fonts |
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| 17:14.15 | cokehabit | neenee: well since it was based on -mm i would imagine it would be |
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| 17:14.35 | neenee | cokehabit - i have not been around for many months, so i am not sure what happened. |
| 17:14.42 | samuel | neenee, hmm.... so what could be te problem, any ideas? |
| 17:14.46 | antgel | dfinn: ask the packager |
| 17:14.59 | neenee | samuel - perhaps the flash animation you are trying to watch is broken? |
| 17:15.17 | samuel | neenee, google analytics? |
| 17:15.40 | dfinn | looks like it's part of lsb, the linux standars base. anyone know anything about that? i could probably just install it but I'd like to know more about what it is first |
| 17:15.42 | cokehabit | neenee: well lovechild told me that they started using -ck anyway |
| 17:15.56 | neenee | er okay |
| 17:16.05 | skiflyer | petemc: Ok, so is there a good place to dump log information? |
| 17:16.11 | neenee | i haven't been using linux for a long while, so it's mainly news to e |
| 17:16.13 | neenee | *me |
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| 17:17.03 | neenee | i plan to come back to linux, as soon as i'm sure World of Warcraft will run well. |
| 17:18.16 | petemc | skiflyer: theres plenty of places to paste stuff, /msg dpkg paste - but its 5:15 in the uk, and im off home |
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| 17:18.26 | Esp1 | anyone know where i can find where my backup superblocks are stored? |
| 17:18.32 | antgel | petemc: skiver :) |
| 17:18.38 | skiflyer | petemc: ok, have a good night |
| 17:18.51 | petemc | cheers |
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| 17:19.06 | Supaplex | Esp1: mkfs.ext[23] has an option to simulate formatting. it'll print out the superblocks |
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| 17:19.24 | ziupiu | Esp1, mke2fs -F -n /dev/hdxX |
| 17:19.32 | Esp1 | thanx |
| 17:19.38 | repp_ | why not fsck.ext2 -b ... ? |
| 17:19.52 | skiflyer | anyone else able to help get exim4 up and running with a smarthost? |
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| 17:20.55 | repp_ | oh I see |
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| 17:21.06 | antgel | skiflyer: apart from dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, not now |
| 17:21.27 | skiflyer | alright, I'll give the mailing list a try, thanks |
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| 17:22.48 | mike_sol | somebody do me a favour and nslookup 'www.ampcomfg.com' and tell me what you get? |
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| 17:23.13 | blondie|BOFH | 64.253.129.193 |
| 17:23.33 | mike_sol | thanks. with any luck that'll change soon :D |
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| 17:24.14 | tobo | doen anyone here know if the kernel bootup message "via irq fixup for ******, from * to *" repeated about 8 times is something to worry about? |
| 17:24.27 | tobo | where * denotes a number |
| 17:24.36 | stew | tobo: i assume you have googled for it? |
| 17:24.43 | antgel | tobo: sounds like a kernel fix for broken hardware, but not sure |
| 17:24.51 | mike_sol | tobo, it probably means your motherboard has an ACPI problem or something like that, and it's a known issue with a workaround |
| 17:24.59 | mike_sol | i wouldn't worry about it unless you have problems |
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| 17:26.03 | tobo | mike_sol, ok ill see if things start braking then =) i will probably have forgot about though when that time comes... |
| 17:26.16 | mike_sol | naturally |
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| 17:26.54 | lnxnt | what does analyzable mean in java? |
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| 17:27.09 | Dantix | hi all, what problem can cause the following efect: the same user logged locally and logged using ssh receipt different terminal configuration, loggin locally the menues loose its format, loose a inverse video on selected tags for example. Logged via ssh the menues looks fine.... |
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| 17:28.25 | mike_sol | lnxnt, it's not a keyword as far as i know |
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| 17:28.37 | bbrazil | Dantix: TERM |
| 17:29.06 | mike_sol | i think it refers to interfaces, and how they are analyzably implemented ('contract') |
| 17:29.11 | bbrazil | Dantix: I'm also willing to bet that the ssh user is using PuTTy |
| 17:29.32 | Esp1 | thanx guys, i recoverd the hd. :D |
| 17:29.46 | Dantix | bbrazil: TERM is configured in rc.profile, isn't it? |
| 17:30.02 | bbrazil | Dantix: no, its a property of the terminal that gets passed along |
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| 17:30.39 | bbrazil | Dantix: for instance on the console it should be 'linux' |
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| 17:31.11 | antgel | Dantix: there is no rc.profile in debian |
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| 17:31.33 | lnxnt | mike_sol: I thought it is an interface...like serializable |
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| 17:31.41 | Dantix | antgel: please clarify |
| 17:31.47 | mike_sol | lnxnt, it may be, i'm a little out of date :( |
| 17:31.54 | mike_sol | maybe it's for unit testing? |
| 17:32.01 | row | There must be someone in here who has compiled unicorn-source for a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:32.04 | row | ' |
| 17:32.04 | row | ? |
| 17:32.09 | antgel | lnxnt: why not read the java docs? |
| 17:32.32 | mike_sol | antgel, you're asking too much of people... read documentation. bah |
| 17:32.48 | antgel | mike_sol: sorry, don't know what came over me |
| 17:32.51 | antgel | oo-er |
| 17:32.56 | mike_sol | you'd think by now.... |
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| 17:33.57 | Dantix | bbrazil: but in the case of console, who is that pass the terminal property? |
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| 17:34.21 | bbrazil | Dantix: I'm not exactly sure, presumably the login process |
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| 17:34.29 | zdennis | anyone running their box with a 23" or 24" wide LCD ? |
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| 17:34.48 | mike_sol | lord it over us why don'tcha |
| 17:34.50 | blaze_ | what up all? |
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| 17:35.07 | antgel | zdennis: no but i've got a massive knob |
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| 17:35.14 | blaze_ | thats nice ? |
| 17:35.15 | jair_11 | Gnea, I am rading the examples in the dhcp.conf and it looks very simple though |
| 17:35.16 | Dantix | antgel: plese let me know where TERM is configured |
| 17:35.20 | jair_11 | Gnea, nice nice |
| 17:35.21 | asperon | is the a debian package of php with the bundled gd? |
| 17:35.27 | asg | asperon: php4-gd |
| 17:35.37 | blaze_ | loL. |
| 17:35.41 | eeyore- | zdennis: 21" |
| 17:35.42 | asperon | asg: that is bundled and not wrapped around lib-gd? |
| 17:35.51 | asperon | since i need the imagerotate function |
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| 17:36.04 | blaze_ | I don't know about that. |
| 17:36.16 | eeyore- | zdennis: 1680x1050 ... wait, maybe it's a little larger than 21" ... dunno, it's the dell thing |
| 17:36.23 | mike_sol | 2005FPW? |
| 17:36.23 | jair_11 | Gnea, so basicly when i do the apt-get install dhcp3-server I do not get the dhcp.conf installed in the path /etc/dhcp.conf right, I have to copy one of the examples there and edit it. |
| 17:36.26 | zdennis | eeyore, i dont think that'll go for i'm looking for, i am having problems with nvidia video card and getting it to correctly run my widescreen at a wide resolution like 1920x1200 |
| 17:36.31 | asg | asperon: then no, there isn't |
| 17:36.38 | asperon | to bad |
| 17:36.40 | zdennis | I can get it to work with a Matrox video card, but not nvidia |
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| 17:36.49 | stew | zdennis: #nvidia |
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| 17:37.34 | zdennis | stew, i'll jump in and check it out, but i'm about to go buy a new video card...and all the store has in stock is ATI |
| 17:37.46 | eeyore- | you know the newer dell lcd's are really nice. the whites show up as whites, not yellow-tinted like on my older laptops |
| 17:37.48 | zdennis | so i was going to see if anyone had ATI running with a widescreen monitor |
| 17:37.50 | zdennis | at high resolutions |
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| 17:37.57 | eeyore- | really nice and white :-) |
| 17:38.04 | jair_11 | So basically when i do the apt-get install dhcp3-server I do not get the dhcp.conf installed in the path /etc/dhcp.conf right, I have to copy one of the examples there and edit it. Anyone here have the dhcp3-server installed ina network and using windows clients on it with an active directory domain controller from windows 2003 server? |
| 17:38.13 | asg | eeyore-: I have 3 17" Dell LCDs |
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| 17:38.22 | stew | zdennis: what happens when you configure x for higher resolution? |
| 17:38.26 | trfts | aah the world of the server ppl |
| 17:38.27 | trfts | well, ok i dont know where to start but, what i am after is a way to make my email that i bring from a pop3account to be stored on my router/server and |
| 17:38.27 | jair_11 | my concern is that the dhcp have to be notified in the windows 2003 server right |
| 17:38.30 | trfts | then my workstations users should be able to use evolution or anyother client and get their mail, so that when they switch workstation the mail will be able to be |
| 17:38.33 | trfts | downloaded again from the routers mailserver program that has brung it from the pop3account is this possible? |
| 17:38.43 | eeyore- | asg: how do you like em? |
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| 17:39.00 | zdennis | stew, X works, but my monitor doesn't use the full width of the screen when i use the nvidia card. It only works when I use the matrox |
| 17:39.13 | eeyore- | asg: my desktop lcd shows much better, truer colors than 2 year-old laptops |
| 17:39.14 | asg | eeyore-: I like the 1703FP better than the older models |
| 17:39.14 | jair_11 | for example if i have a network all windows xp pro one server win 2003 with active directory, I can still using a dhcp server linux? |
| 17:39.22 | zdennis | stew, the differences between the logs seem to be the Pixel Clock Speed |
| 17:39.26 | zdennis | and the DPI |
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| 17:39.28 | stew | zdennis: is it not something you can straighten out with xvidtune? |
| 17:39.35 | asg | eeyore-: the E172FP is a little washed out |
| 17:39.38 | zdennis | i have never used Xvidetune |
| 17:39.46 | zdennis | i am using Xinerama |
| 17:39.57 | jair_11 | Gnea, ?? |
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| 17:40.07 | zdennis | i will check it out |
| 17:40.08 | stew | zdennis: i dunno how xvidtune deals with xinerama |
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| 17:40.26 | asg | eeyore-: I run 3 monitors (side by side), three boxes (one per monitor) and use synergy over ssh to control them from a single keyboard / mouse. Quite a decent setup. |
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| 17:40.32 | ows_ | how do you compare *nix to OSx? |
| 17:40.32 | stew | zdennis: be careful with xvidtune |
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| 17:40.40 | asg | ows_: OSx is a Unix underneath |
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| 17:40.47 | zdennis | stew, it won't blow up my monitor will it? |
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| 17:40.52 | zdennis | ;/ |
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| 17:41.00 | eeyore- | asg: :-) i like synergy concept |
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| 17:41.13 | zdennis | stew, xvidtune works with X.org ? |
| 17:41.15 | asg | eeyore-: yeah, it's come in handy for lots of things. |
| 17:41.23 | mike_sol | im using synergry right now for my awesome triple monitor setup |
| 17:41.30 | stew | zdennis: its theroetically possible that you could go nutz with xvidtune and do damage to your monitor by driving it way out of spec |
| 17:41.34 | zdennis | mike_sol, synergy rocks |
| 17:41.46 | stew | zdennis: though its not like if you fire up xvidtune and hit a button or two you will |
| 17:41.51 | ows_ | asg: is it as customizable as *nix? |
| 17:41.53 | eeyore- | btw, any bets on when the "green machine" ($100 laptop for the third-world countries) will be hacked to not require mesh hookup every three days? :-))))) |
| 17:41.57 | mike_sol | ostensibly having three monitors is for more productivity, but in reality it's so i have one monitor for kernel compiles and IRC :-) |
| 17:41.57 | asg | eeyore-: two of the screens monitor various things in xterms. I use xlock with a geometry that puts it off the screen so I can see everything but still have a securely locked display. |
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| 17:42.03 | stew | zdennis: just don't start it and play the "what happens if i hit the button 100 times" game |
| 17:42.05 | eeyore- | that'd be a perfect "laptop" for in-car use, for me anyway |
| 17:42.18 | asg | ows_: parts of it are until you run into the proprietary Apple stuff. |
| 17:42.47 | eeyore- | hand-cranked, tough, has USB ports for OBD-II interfacing ... doesn't have touchscreen though, so *maybe* the nokia one will be better. the nokia one is $400 or so, touchscreen, 840x480 + USB device/host mode |
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| 17:42.58 | asg | eeyore-: one of those nokia 770s with a wireless keybard mouse combo would be nice too. |
| 17:43.09 | eeyore- | asg: heh, yeah |
| 17:43.19 | jair_11 | stew, how are you? busy? |
| 17:43.21 | eeyore- | asg: except when i'm driving i can't use keyboard/mouse :-) |
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| 17:43.28 | mike_sol | is there anything in the way of OBD-2 stuff for linux? |
| 17:43.35 | asg | eeyore-: that's why they invented long stop lights ;) |
| 17:43.37 | mike_sol | i'd love to tap in there on my car and see whats up |
| 17:43.39 | eeyore- | mike_sol: software or hardware? |
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| 17:43.47 | eeyore- | asg: there are no stoplights where i go :-) |
| 17:43.48 | jair_11 | stew, you help me before here that is why I want to ask you something about networking |
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| 17:43.53 | mike_sol | eeyore-, software preferably, though i'd need to find how to plug in to it too |
| 17:43.57 | asg | eeyore-: then you are lucky |
| 17:43.58 | mike_sol | i have a laptop to use |
| 17:44.03 | eeyore- | asg: there are other things to stop me, yeah, but not lights |
| 17:44.03 | stew | jair_11: ask away on the channel, if i don't answer, someone will |
| 17:44.08 | jair_11 | ok |
| 17:44.13 | jair_11 | stew, ok |
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| 17:44.14 | asg | eeyore-: hehe |
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| 17:44.29 | eeyore- | mike_sol: there's a company that makes the hardware, and there are software drivers for it ... let me see ...... |
| 17:44.34 | eeyore- | mike_sol: which vehicle? |
| 17:44.55 | mike_sol | eeyore-, 1995 dodge avenger ES |
| 17:45.09 | mike_sol | one of the first cars with obd, afaik |
| 17:45.36 | eeyore- | mike_sol: so no canbus then. vpw? |
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| 17:45.50 | eeyore- | mike_sol: one sec, searching through email log to find that email ... |
| 17:45.57 | Roey | hi |
| 17:46.05 | eeyore- | mike_sol: multiplex-engineering.com |
| 17:46.07 | mike_sol | eeyore-, no idea. im not even 100% sure where the computer is |
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| 17:46.18 | mike_sol | thanks for the link |
| 17:46.28 | eeyore- | mike_sol: that one is hardware only, no software, but guy will provide specs for how to write your own app |
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| 17:46.47 | mike_sol | i could make a bitching PHP car management thing |
| 17:46.47 | Roey | anyone here using spikeproxy at all? I get this error when I browse to "http://localhost:8080/spike"-- http://rafb.net/paste/results/eWdNeK28.html |
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| 17:46.57 | eeyore- | mike_sol: but since it's unaffiliated with automakers, you won't have ability/know-how to decode the "proprietary tags" unless you reverse-engineer |
| 17:46.58 | mike_sol | and then do it wirelessly remotely, thatd be cool |
| 17:47.10 | mike_sol | oh im not that smart, never mind then |
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| 17:47.29 | eeyore- | mike_sol: but you'll get the basics of obd-ii data. the obd-ii header should be near the steering column, exposed, you don't need any tools to access it |
| 17:47.38 | mike_sol | aha that's what that is! |
| 17:47.44 | mike_sol | i figured as much |
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| 17:48.04 | eeyore- | mike_sol: there's a difference :-) you'll get the standard "base" obd-ii data, but anything vehicle specific you won't get |
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| 17:48.14 | mike_sol | so the basic data covers what, stuff like meter readouts? oxygen stuff? current RPM? |
| 17:48.38 | eeyore- | mike_sol: yep |
| 17:48.40 | nixie | Nov 17 18:41:26 server kernel: *pde = 00000000. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 17:48.48 | eeyore- | mike_sol: rpm, temp, speed, tach, things like that |
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| 17:49.03 | nixie | kind of hard to google on that |
| 17:49.21 | asg | nixie: http://www.google.com/search?q=server%20kernel%3A%20*pde%20%3D%2000000000 |
| 17:49.22 | mike_sol | what kind of stuff would the proprietary be then? stuff to actually tune engine parameters? i'm also not smart enough to do that :P i'd more likely try to hook it up to some kind of monitoring thing for visuals and flashy crap |
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| 17:49.47 | stew | asg: damn beat me to it :) |
| 17:49.56 | asg | stew: heh :) |
| 17:49.57 | nixie | doh. |
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| 17:50.11 | eeyore- | mike_sol: the standard stuff will let you monitor things :-) example of vehicle specific stuff: tire PSI sensors, flipper glass status, etc. |
| 17:50.14 | nixie | in other words, can be anything. |
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| 17:50.31 | nixie | vague problems ftw |
| 17:50.40 | asg | nixie: which kernel are you running? |
| 17:50.58 | mike_sol | eeyore-, wow... i doubt i have psi sensors though, as i've never gotten a light on when i have flats. i doubt i'd need much beyond the standards |
| 17:51.04 | nixie | 2.4.26. i guess i'll upgrade it |
| 17:51.05 | nixie | :) |
| 17:51.49 | stew | nixie: what version of debian are you running? what cpu? |
| 17:52.03 | eeyore- | mike_sol: yeah, i'll just need it for the meter and maybe transmission temp. when we go offroading i'd like to know how much i'm punishing the transmission since i don't have a locker yet |
| 17:52.24 | nixie | stew: this is a dual xeon 2.8 on woody. |
| 17:52.32 | nixie | uptime of 480 days |
| 17:52.51 | mike_sol | eeyore-, that'd be a pretty incredible fusion of nerd power and manly offroading. i dig it. |
| 17:53.06 | nixie | rm -rf on huge dirs gives me that error. also tar. |
| 17:53.13 | nixie | xfs partition. |
| 17:53.32 | karsten-away | nixie: Try strace yet? |
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| 17:53.53 | nixie | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer.... |
| 17:53.54 | nixie | yes karsten. |
| 17:54.11 | karsten-away | nixie: OK. |
| 17:54.15 | nixie | i think its file system corruption in my xfs /var partition, or |
| 17:54.30 | nixie | something vague and undefinable (unlikely) |
| 17:54.37 | asg | nixie: after 480 days, it probably needs a good fscking |
| 17:54.41 | karsten-away | nixie: Any other signs of instability _not_ associated with the filesystem? CRC or other disk errors in logs? |
| 17:54.55 | nixie | nope karsten |
| 17:54.58 | iwilcox | (How) can I interrogate apt/dpkg to find out which installed packages are versions that aren't available in testing? |
| 17:55.08 | nixie | only when i hit this specific part of my /var partition |
| 17:55.25 | eeyore- | mike_sol: you saw my /msg right? |
| 17:55.27 | nixie | it goes poof. |
| 17:55.36 | abli | Hi! is there any way for me to have a big 'reboot' button on the gdm greeter screen? I know about Actions->reboot but I need something "one-click" |
| 17:55.49 | nixie | so with tar, find on /var. but its xfs, so it's odd. |
| 17:56.06 | eeyore- | nixie: time to fsck? |
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| 17:56.19 | asg | abli: if your box is sufficiently ACPI cabable, you could map the power button event to just do a reboot. |
| 17:56.34 | eeyore- | abli: yeah, run acpid and forget about it :-) |
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| 17:56.48 | nixie | oh well at least ive found the problem. will solve it tomorrow when i can take it down. theres some corruption in a hardly never used part of /var. |
| 17:56.51 | stew | abli: if there is a way, it should be available in gdmsetup |
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| 17:56.55 | eeyore- | abli: oh, remember to set in the bios "power button 4 second = off", otherwise you get instant-off and that's a bad thing |
| 17:56.58 | karsten | iwilcox: Good question. |
| 17:57.15 | iwilcox | karsten: Apparently :) |
| 17:57.31 | asg | @why is foo not in testing |
| 17:57.31 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, asg |
| 17:57.39 | abli | stew, I looked around in gdm's config app and found nothing |
| 17:57.58 | abli | I'll try acpid, then |
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| 17:58.04 | stew | abli: if you don't get an answer here ask on #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:58.22 | abli | stew, ok, thanks |
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| 17:59.17 | juice` | does anyone know how to build only one specific package with dpkg-buildpackage ? not all possible that has something to do with topic, but just one specific... |
| 17:59.21 | iwilcox | karsten: I could write some perl in about 20 mins that would parse and interrogate the output of 'apt-cache policy *', but I suspect there's a tool around that does the job already. |
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| 17:59.43 | iwilcox | juice`: I was told earlier it wasn't possible :( |
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| 17:59.59 | karsten | iwilcox: I think there ought to be and STR either hearing or dreaming about it, but FIIK ATM. |
| 18:00.00 | stew | juice`: you mean you have a source package that build multiple binary packages but you only want to build one of the binary packages? |
| 18:00.01 | iwilcox | juice`: (not entirely convinced that's true, but I gave up looking) |
| 18:00.07 | juice` | really? oh. |
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| 18:00.20 | Puiu | I just installed debian stable with the netinstall disc...and all the packages were downloaded and they installed fine...but after I reboot...I can't get the network to work again. |
| 18:00.25 | x`y-xy | pls hlp me !!! how can edit iptables in debian case i need 2 open a few ports ...like 10000 for webmin |
| 18:00.27 | Puiu | What do I type to get the network to work? |
| 18:00.27 | juice` | stwe: yes, becouse it has soem dev dependancy conflict |
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| 18:00.32 | Puiu | (I use eth0) |
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| 18:00.39 | x`y-xy | puiu esti ro |
| 18:00.40 | x`y-xy | ? |
| 18:00.44 | juice` | sorry, should be stew |
| 18:00.47 | nixie | Puiu: ifup eth0 |
| 18:00.51 | asg | Puiu: dies /sbin/ifup -a make it work after boot? |
| 18:01.04 | juice` | stew: for example php 4.4.0, it wants to be build for apache AND apache2 |
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| 18:01.20 | stew | juice`: there is no way around this |
| 18:01.23 | juice` | and for apache-prefork AND for apache-threaded |
| 18:01.26 | iwilcox | karsten: Perl it is then, as google is giving me far too many red herrings. Ah well... |
| 18:01.27 | stew | juice`: you did "apt-get build-dep php" ? |
| 18:01.28 | Puiu | nixie: I get an error from /etc/dhclient-script line 105 151 and 15 |
| 18:01.30 | stew | err php4 |
| 18:01.34 | Puiu | s/15/152 |
| 18:01.44 | gigabytes | guys a question |
| 18:01.44 | juice` | no, i wanted to change few things, i did apt-get source php4 |
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| 18:01.49 | nixie | juice`: get a spare box on which you compile if you dont want to install build-dependant packages on production enviroinments |
| 18:01.57 | stew | juice`: and then you do "apt-get build-dep php4" |
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| 18:02.03 | asg | nixie: he can use pbuilder or a chroot also |
| 18:02.06 | gigabytes | can i tell firefox to use KGet instead of its default download manager? |
| 18:02.09 | juice` | changed some things in debian/rules and then run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 18:02.38 | stew | juice`: what were you changing out of curiosity? |
| 18:02.48 | sylvain | hello there, im new to debian, and trying to get GNOME gui *not* to be auto loaded on startup. |
| 18:02.59 | juice` | zts-experimental :) |
| 18:03.06 | asg | sylvain: just remove gdm |
| 18:03.07 | x`y-xy | pls hlp me !!! how can edit iptables in debian cause i need to open a few ports ...like 10000 for webmin |
| 18:03.11 | juice` | im using apache2 worker with mod_php |
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| 18:03.27 | nixie | x`y-xy: by default, no ports are blocked. iirc. check with iptables -L -n -v |
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| 18:03.30 | stew | juice`: anyway, what is the problem you are having with building? |
| 18:03.32 | juice` | since i dont use almost no extra libs, it works fine |
| 18:03.42 | asg | x`y-xy: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 18:03.45 | juice` | oh, well, gd library was built as 1.3-1.6 version |
| 18:03.52 | juice` | at least this is what phpinfo is showing |
| 18:04.00 | Puiu | asg: no it doesn't |
| 18:04.16 | abrotman | gigabytes: ask irc.mozilla.org .. but i doubt it |
| 18:04.17 | iwilcox | juice`: My problem was similar - wanted unstripped version of just one app to get a sensible backtrace. |
| 18:04.20 | sylvain | asg: i'll be needing a GUI every once in a while though |
| 18:04.21 | juice` | i suppose there was some problem with dev packages it was missing and it built gd 1.3 to 1.6 (dont know exact version) |
| 18:04.23 | asg | Puiu: what if you just type 'dhclient eth0' |
| 18:04.29 | Puiu | asg: same error |
| 18:04.33 | gigabytes | thank you abrotman |
| 18:04.35 | stew | juice`: apt-get build-dep php4 |
| 18:04.37 | asg | sylvain: then put 'exit 0' after the shebang line in /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 18:04.53 | sylvain | thx :-) |
| 18:05.08 | asg | Puiu: paste the 'eth0' line from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:05.12 | juice` | hmmmm |
| 18:05.18 | juice` | he wasnts to remove following packages |
| 18:05.20 | Puiu | asg: /etc/dhclient-script line 105: [: -lt: unary operator expected |
| 18:05.23 | juice` | 'apache-dev apache2-threaded-dev libsnmp4.2-dev' |
| 18:05.36 | Puiu | And the same line except s/-lt/-eq also |
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| 18:05.38 | zdennis | eeyore and stew, Primer in the nvidia channel hooked me up... he fixed my widescreen monitor problem! thanks for your help guys |
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| 18:05.50 | juice` | ok well i will :) |
| 18:05.51 | Puiu | ma eth0 |
| 18:05.54 | Puiu | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 18:06.39 | ^majik^ | hey guys, when I run 'netstat -anp' I see three ports opened by the program "rpc.statd"; is this safe? (I'm trying to secure this box) |
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| 18:07.16 | asg | Puiu: what does uname -r output? |
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| 18:07.40 | punkass | i am trying to setup postfix/mysql/postfixadmin , postfixadmin reads/writes to the database fine but when i veiw the logs of postfix itself i get: |
| 18:07.42 | punkass | postfix/trivial-rewrite[22845]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 18:07.51 | Puiu | asg: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | ^majik^: can you remove the ^ from your nick ? |
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| 18:08.09 | loxley_ | ^majik^: i'd remove it.. but some probably would keep it :) remove portmap if you dont want it |
| 18:08.10 | abrotman | ^majik^: do you use nfs or famd or anything that might use portmap ? |
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| 18:08.14 | abrotman | magix: ^^ |
| 18:08.16 | asg | Puiu: hmm, that's fine. |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | magix: thank you |
| 18:08.27 | Puiu | asg: What does it matter which kernel I have? |
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| 18:08.37 | asg | Puiu: 76 relmajor=`echo $relmajor | sed 's/^[0-9]*\.\([0-9]*\)\..*/\1/' |
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| 18:08.45 | jade | when I run ssh, is it using ssh2 ? |
| 18:08.51 | asg | Puiu: that line appears to set a null variable which causes the one on 105 to die |
| 18:08.54 | abrotman | it depends |
| 18:09.11 | Puiu | asg: Type that line? |
| 18:09.22 | Skrotto | jade: If you've got protocol 2 in sshd.conf |
| 18:09.22 | asg | Puiu: ah, wait |
| 18:09.24 | abrotman | magix: make sense ? |
| 18:09.30 | magix | abrotman: nah - but I did notice portmap was running |
| 18:09.36 | abrotman | ssh should try v2 first .. fall back to v1 |
| 18:09.37 | juice` | stew: theoretically after apt-get build-dep php4, php4 shouldnt have any errors durning install, right? |
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| 18:09.41 | magix | sorry, heh I had to take a call (at work) |
| 18:09.45 | abrotman | magix: what does the server do ? |
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| 18:10.08 | asg | Puiu: edit line 76 and change 'echo $relmajor' to 'echo $release' |
| 18:10.09 | juice` | stew: i mean, it have many extensions like curl, mcrypt, gd, but it is all considered durning apt-get build-dep ? |
| 18:10.11 | magix | abrotman: not sure, unless its for NAT'ing |
| 18:10.19 | Puiu | k |
| 18:10.20 | jade | Skrotto, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have a line 'Protocol 2' |
| 18:10.21 | stew | juice`: yes, if you do, file a bug |
| 18:10.24 | stew | juice`: i mean |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | magix: portmap is not for NAT |
| 18:10.30 | stew | juice`: if it doesn't build file a bug |
| 18:10.31 | Skrotto | jade: Then it uses 2 |
| 18:10.32 | asg | Puiu: if that fixes things, file a bug with the patch you just made |
| 18:10.43 | Puiu | asg: Line 76 in /etc/dhclient-script? |
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| 18:10.54 | juice` | stew: but i changed something in debian/rules so i think it can not be considered standard build |
| 18:10.56 | asg | Puiu: yes if it looks like this (relmajor=`echo $relmajor | sed 's/^[0-9]*\.\([0-9]*\)\..*/\1/'`) |
| 18:11.04 | juice` | unless there is thread-safe php4 build ? |
| 18:11.17 | abrotman | magix: apt-get --purge remove portmap .. what else does it want to remove ? |
| 18:11.19 | juice` | i just want to use this one options, to be thread-safe |
| 18:11.31 | magix | abrotman: oh, lemme check |
| 18:11.44 | asg | Puiu: if it doesn't, yours differs from mine. Are you using sarge? |
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| 18:12.23 | magix | abrotman: ah - wants to remove nfs-common. just continue ? |
| 18:12.23 | Puiu | asg: no |
| 18:12.27 | Puiu | asg: I'm using sid. |
| 18:12.31 | abrotman | magix: if you're not using nfs |
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| 18:12.44 | stew | juice`: i dunno |
| 18:12.50 | juice` | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: apache-dev (>= 1.3.23) |
| 18:12.53 | Puiu | I did a dist-upgrade...then rebooted into my 2.6.8 kernel...and I was about to install a new kernel...but the internet doesn't work. |
| 18:12.53 | juice` | thats what i thought... |
| 18:12.56 | asg | Puiu: looks like the one in sid is broken (at least on my sid) |
| 18:12.57 | magix | abrotman: nah, I'm not. and this would remove the rpc.statd stuff I'm seeing? |
| 18:13.04 | juice` | it removed apache-dev, and now it complains there is no apache-dev |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | magix: it should |
| 18:13.10 | Puiu | asg: k |
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| 18:13.14 | asg | Puiu: relmajor=`echo $relmajor | sed 's/^[0-9]*\.\([0-9]*\)\..*/\1/'` should be relmajor=`echo $release | sed 's/^[0-9]*\.\([0-9]*\)\..*/\1/'` |
| 18:13.15 | magix | abrotman: ok |
| 18:13.33 | juice` | i did, of course, apt-get build-dep php4 and it removed apache-dev |
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| 18:13.39 | stew | juice`: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:13.40 | juice` | now dpkg-buildpackage wants it |
| 18:13.43 | juice` | testing |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | pseubodo1: !!! |
| 18:13.50 | juice` | so etch probably |
| 18:14.10 | magix | abrotman: cool - I stopped nfs-common using /etc/init.d/nfs-common stop and it said "Stopping NFS common utilities: statd." |
| 18:14.21 | abrotman | magix: yay |
| 18:14.30 | nixie | dpkg --purge nfs-common nfs-kernel-server (if you dont use nfs) |
| 18:14.40 | magix | abrotman: heh, I've never used NFS. thanks man |
| 18:14.43 | abrotman | nixie: invalid command |
| 18:14.46 | asg | Puiu: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339595 (already been reported, nevermind) |
| 18:14.48 | stew | juice`: what does "apt-cache policy apache-dev " say for Installed and Candidate? |
| 18:14.52 | magix | nixie: oh ok |
| 18:14.54 | Puiu | asg: I see a line that says "relmajor=`echo $relmajor | sed 's/^[0-9]*\.\([0-9])*\..*/\1/'` |
| 18:15.13 | Orfeous | GRUB or LILO what to recommend? |
| 18:15.14 | Puiu | asg: Change $relmajor to $release? |
| 18:15.19 | nixie | abrotman: kidding me, right?;) |
| 18:15.21 | stew | Orfeous: grub |
| 18:15.25 | Puiu | Orfeous: grub is more popular |
| 18:15.29 | juice` | let me change locale to english so i can copy it |
| 18:15.30 | Puiu | Orfeous: But it really doesn't matter at all. |
| 18:15.31 | asg | Puiu: yes |
| 18:15.41 | stew | juice`: just give me the version number |
| 18:15.49 | stew | juice`: don't paste the entire output here |
| 18:15.51 | abrotman | nixie: you left out the action |
| 18:15.52 | Orfeous | ok, if i install grub how are disk configured there? |
| 18:15.56 | asg | Puiu: relmajor isn't set before so it will be assigned null, which causes the -lt unary error on line 105 |
| 18:16.03 | Orfeous | i have heard thaat grub have its own disk configuration |
| 18:16.04 | nixie | abrotman: --purge is the action |
| 18:16.09 | abrotman | nixie: no .. that's an option |
| 18:16.14 | nixie | its not here. |
| 18:16.25 | nixie | just works for me. |
| 18:16.35 | nixie | you're welcome to try |
| 18:16.41 | abrotman | then perhaps they've changed it .. it used to fail |
| 18:16.43 | Orfeous | where should i install grub if i have windows installed on another disk than my linux disk |
| 18:16.46 | juice` | stew: Installed: (none) , Candidate: 1.3.34-1 |
| 18:16.56 | magix | also, how do I configure what all services start at boot? it wouldn't be rc.local would it? I'm not even sure if that exists on debian for that matter heh |
| 18:17.03 | nixie | abrotman: not since i know debian. then again, im only in it since slink orso |
| 18:17.07 | magix | so far I am liking Debian tho |
| 18:17.31 | Puiu | asg: I get no error when I dhclient eth0...but the internet still doesn't work. |
| 18:17.31 | abrotman | nixie: oh .. my apologies .. i thought you typed apt-get --purge .. not dpkg --purge |
| 18:17.40 | abrotman | nixie: for apt-get .. it does indeed fail |
| 18:17.50 | nixie | who needs apt when you got dpkg ^^ |
| 18:17.51 | juice` | stew: the funny thing is that i dont even use apache 1.3 |
| 18:18.07 | abrotman | nixie: my apologies .. carry on:) |
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| 18:18.39 | asg | Puiu: does /sbin/route -n show a gateway through eth0? |
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| 18:19.13 | magix | aw man. even the nickname magix is owned by someone. I just now caught that on my status window |
| 18:19.14 | Orfeous | should i install grub on MBR on the firsk disk or install it on my linux disk? |
| 18:19.20 | Puiu | asg: yes... I see two lines..one with 0.0.0.0 for the gateway...one with 192.168.1.1 for the gateway. |
| 18:19.23 | Orfeous | i got windows on my first disk.. |
| 18:19.26 | Puiu | asg: They are both usingeth0 |
| 18:19.42 | asg | Puiu: can you ping 166.82.1.3? |
| 18:19.47 | vca | Orfeous: GRUB is able to chainload the windows bootloader just fine -- i'd shoot for the MBR |
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| 18:20.12 | Orfeous | vca: ok, thanks. |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | pseubodo1: !!! |
| 18:20.29 | Puiu | asg: yes |
| 18:20.35 | Puiu | ips work fine...no domains |
| 18:20.36 | asg | !test |
| 18:20.36 | dpkg | No, asg, you're not online any more. |
| 18:20.46 | asg | Puiu: then check you have the right nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:20.50 | abrotman | dpkg: you're alive! |
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| 18:21.09 | asg | Puiu: DHCP should have configured them for you but... |
| 18:21.17 | Puiu | asg: When I do dhclient eth0 it usually gets those automatically from my router. |
| 18:21.28 | asg | Puiu: it should, does /etc/resolv.conf have the correct ones? |
| 18:21.30 | Puiu | asg: Because I use like 4 different networks regularly at work/school/home et.c |
| 18:21.31 | asg | !beer asg |
| 18:21.34 | Orfeous | i was thinking to install debian stable (sarge) because i dont wanna keep updating all those packages all the time.. have i made a great "decission"? (spell?) |
| 18:21.48 | Puiu | asg: yes they are right. |
| 18:21.57 | asg | Puiu: can you ping www.google.com? |
| 18:22.00 | Puiu | Those are my cablevision dns servers |
| 18:22.02 | vca | mmm dogfishhead |
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| 18:22.22 | Puiu | asg: yes |
| 18:22.22 | Puiu | lol |
| 18:22.26 | asg | hah |
| 18:22.27 | Puiu | hmm, my apt-get mirror is down |
| 18:22.34 | Puiu | I am using ftp.debian.org |
| 18:22.35 | chealer | Orfeous: yes, it's the correct choice |
| 18:22.39 | Puiu | 128.101.00.133 |
| 18:22.47 | nixie | Puiu: use local mirrors |
| 18:22.52 | Puiu | And I don't have apt-setup |
| 18:22.53 | Puiu | lol |
| 18:22.55 | asg | Puiu: 128.101.00.133 is an invalid address |
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| 18:23.09 | Puiu | asg: That's what apt-get says |
| 18:23.10 | asg | Puiu: you mean 128.101.80.133 right? |
| 18:23.12 | Orfeous | ok, thanks! |
| 18:23.34 | Puiu | asg: o yea, that is it |
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| 18:23.56 | abrotman | asg ... the human route table |
| 18:23.58 | Puiu | asg: Should I change the mirror? |
| 18:24.06 | asg | Puiu: you can, it won't hurt anything |
| 18:24.22 | Puiu | asg: There is no apt-setup binary....can you give me a mirror? |
| 18:24.31 | asg | !mirrors |
| 18:24.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 18:24.39 | Puiu | thanks |
| 18:25.29 | abrotman | asg: i think it's hosed today |
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| 18:25.42 | abrotman | oh .. yay .. it's fixed! |
| 18:25.42 | spity | hello |
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| 18:26.30 | Puiu | awesome |
| 18:26.37 | Puiu | thanks a lot asg, I really appreciate the help. |
| 18:26.40 | spity | is it possible to specify in /etc/network/interfaces that say eth0 is configured with dhcp and if that fails to use static ip? |
| 18:27.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you know all this stuff that ajt is hacking for the mirrors listing .. are they diong anything to test the currentness of the mirror ? |
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| 18:28.13 | Puiu | abrotman: There is going to be a mirror-select program like fedora has? |
| 18:28.43 | stew | Puiu: apt-setup |
| 18:29.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes, that's the idea. |
| 18:29.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: basically, it's to help them figure out which mirrors are current, and which are no longer being properly updated. |
| 18:29.32 | Puiu | stew: no this is better though |
| 18:29.40 | Puiu | stew / abrotman http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/mirrorselect |
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| 18:29.49 | Puiu | Look it automatically tests mirrors and picks the fastest one. |
| 18:29.50 | Jacky^ | hello |
| 18:30.03 | xorphus | how do I configure what services start at boot? |
| 18:30.07 | dondelelcaro | Puiu: then use netselect |
| 18:30.08 | Jacky^ | are the Debain mirrors using bandwith limit ? |
| 18:30.10 | Jacky^ | ops |
| 18:30.14 | Jacky^ | Debian* |
| 18:30.16 | abrotman | Puiu: apt-spy |
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| 18:30.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. ok .. and will this include the CD/ISO archives also ? |
| 18:30.34 | asg | abrotman: what's hosed? |
| 18:30.36 | dondelelcaro | Jacky^: depends on the mirror; the project doesn't control most of them. |
| 18:30.38 | abrotman | asg: it's not |
| 18:30.46 | digijohn | Are there plans for Enlightenment 17 to go into testing soon? |
| 18:30.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I've no idea; most likely. |
| 18:30.51 | Jacky^ | cant download update faster then 10-15 kbs :( |
| 18:31.08 | Jacky^ | dondelelcaro: ftp.it |
| 18:31.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i used to use the psu.edu mirror .. but the mirror is usually out of date .. and the ISO archive is ... old/incomplete |
| 18:31.18 | dondelelcaro | Jacky^: then pick a faster mirror. The mirrors that I use do 4-7MB/s |
| 18:31.28 | Jacky^ | ouch .. |
| 18:31.41 | abrotman | Jacky^: apt-spy can help you pick a faster one |
| 18:31.53 | Jacky^ | ok, thanks, going to try .. |
| 18:31.55 | lilo | is there some program out there that replaces the functionality of my old 'stopafter' program? |
| 18:32.09 | abrotman | is he allowed to speak here ? :) |
| 18:32.34 | dondelelcaro | digijohn: it has to be uploaded to unstable first; didn't realize that e17 had even been released yet. |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | released?!? |
| 18:32.54 | asg | lilo: not familiar with that one. What did it do? |
| 18:32.55 | digijohn | dondelelcaro: Hell, I don't really know either. I can't get to enlightenment.org :-) |
| 18:32.57 | dondelelcaro | (it's only been in development for 7 years or someting) |
| 18:33.08 | citral | it's still only cvs |
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| 18:33.13 | dondelelcaro | digijohn: uh... well, release by the developers would be a first step. |
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| 18:33.21 | digijohn | I just keep reading about how E17 is so beautiful |
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| 18:33.23 | zerve_the_death | Linda[ICQ], JUST FUCK OFFF |
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| 18:33.31 | zerve_the_death | fucking spamer |
| 18:33.41 | dondelelcaro | zerve_the_death: yeesh; calm down. Just report the spam. |
| 18:33.54 | punkass | warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
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| 18:33.57 | citral | e17 is in pre-alpha buggy state |
| 18:33.58 | lilo | zerve_the_death: can you paste it to me please, in /msg? |
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| 18:33.59 | abrotman | this could explain why enlightenment.org is .. toast |
| 18:34.00 | lilo | whoops, gone 8) |
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| 18:34.07 | punkass | but i have just installed libmysqlclient15 |
| 18:34.09 | zerve_the_death | he is going |
| 18:34.17 | zerve_the_death | Linda[ICQ] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 18:34.20 | zerve_the_death | that one |
| 18:34.23 | lilo | zerve_the_death: yeah, got it |
| 18:34.30 | punkass | which from what i understand is the latest version |
| 18:34.31 | zerve_the_death | thanks |
| 18:34.33 | lilo | zerve_the_death: this is the reason not to run with /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 18:34.38 | lilo | zerve_the_death: but I grabbed it |
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| 18:34.53 | lilo | oh, whoopie |
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| 18:35.18 | lilo | oops, that may have been a goof |
| 18:35.22 | zerve_the_death | lilo, how can i filter that? |
| 18:35.56 | lilo | zerve_the_death: it's hard to filter that stuff, other than by running it through something bayesian |
| 18:36.03 | lilo | zerve_the_death: you can /msg nick set unfiltered off |
| 18:36.10 | lilo | zerve_the_death: or get really fancy, as I say |
| 18:36.36 | lilo | zerve_the_death: this is why we set the default to "filter messages from unregistered users", the spam just got to be too much |
| 18:36.44 | abrotman | what is stopafter again ? |
| 18:37.04 | lilo | abrotman: it runs a command and applies a specified signal to it after N seconds |
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| 18:37.10 | abrotman | wtf .. IBM validates ubuntu .. but not debian ? |
| 18:37.13 | row | I am using module-assistant to build unicorn drivers, but its sending them to /lib/modules/2.6.12/ and I am using 2.6.12-1-686 what would you suggest? |
| 18:37.33 | asg | lilo: sleep <N> ; pkill -HUP <foo> |
| 18:37.37 | xorphus | surely theres a better way than going into the /etc/rcX.d folders to change what starts on boot and what doesn't, right? |
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| 18:37.42 | citral | abrotman: badger |
| 18:37.44 | chealer | row: hum, which command did you use? |
| 18:37.49 | abrotman | citral: ? |
| 18:37.49 | lilo | asg: it's a little bit fancier, it masks off any other signals |
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| 18:38.02 | lilo | asg: it's been a while, I think I may have done a couple of other things as well |
| 18:38.03 | rossi | anyone can help me my kvdr sais it doesn't find /dev/video what could be the problem I have a dvb usb box which works good with xine |
| 18:38.07 | asg | lilo: ah, okay. |
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| 18:38.44 | citral | abrotman: I'm just amused because the latest release of ubuntu is called "breezy badger" |
| 18:39.06 | asg | citral: sounds like a flavor of douche |
| 18:39.11 | punkass | well its not really its just called 5.10 bb is just the dev name |
| 18:39.12 | row | chealer: I did module-assistant -k /usr/src/linux, which is symlinked to linux-source-2.6.12, I ould not located 2.6.12-1 source anyway. |
| 18:39.24 | citral | even funnier, badger is an insult in french |
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| 18:40.00 | abrotman | citral: oh |
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| 18:40.12 | citral | something like sucker |
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| 18:40.16 | citral | :) |
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| 18:41.14 | chealer | row: linux-source-2.6.12 was the source for linux-image-2.6.12-1 |
| 18:41.32 | chealer | row: but that can't be your full command, right? what version are you using BTW? |
| 18:42.23 | row | chealer: testing, I selected unicorn, then built it. |
| 18:42.27 | row | I went via the menus |
| 18:42.32 | chealer | row: ah ok |
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| 18:42.50 | row | chealer: any ideas? |
| 18:42.56 | zerve_the_death | btw thanks lilo |
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| 18:43.21 | chealer | row: what does it say if you don't give any -k option (perhaps try # m-a a-i unicorn) |
| 18:43.54 | row | chealer: Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could Ķ |
| 18:43.55 | row | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.55 | row | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.32 | beardy | what was that? |
| 18:44.51 | chealer | row: does it say that after running # m-a prepare; too? (try concatenating the output before pasting if you have more to paste) |
| 18:45.00 | row | module-assistant, trying to install unicorn-source on 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 18:45.30 | row | chealer: yes it does. |
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| 18:47.08 | mac__ | is there something special I must do to get ssh X11 port-forwarding to work in Debian? |
| 18:47.17 | mac__ | no matter what I do I can't seem to get it to work |
| 18:47.18 | abrotman | !tell mac__ about sshx |
| 18:47.21 | row | chealer: can I alter kernel version name etc in kernel source of 2.6.12 to make it look like -1-686? |
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| 18:48.45 | chealer | row: if you just want a workaround, you'd copy the module to the right directory, no? |
| 18:48.56 | aimtrainer | hi everybody! K3B gives me "unable to send cue sheet" when I try to burn a data cd. (It worked before and I can't think of anything I changed making it not work anymore) - any1 got an idea? |
| 18:49.09 | norskfjord | I need help with the ircd-hybrid, I can only connect on 127.0.0.1, no one on the net can connect! |
| 18:49.10 | chealer | !any1 |
| 18:49.10 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 18:49.20 | row | chealer: where would that be, I tried doing that as its stored in extra/ iirc but I got a not found on modprobe |
| 18:49.31 | chealer | aimtrainer: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:49.43 | aimtrainer | ok thx |
| 18:49.57 | chealer | row: /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/ ? |
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| 18:50.26 | row | chealer: will try |
| 18:50.59 | slibs | hi guys, any idea what packages do i need for watching dvd movies? |
| 18:51.12 | abrotman | slibs: kde or gnome ? |
| 18:51.15 | row | chealer: "cp -r /lib/modules/2.6.12/extra/unicorn_* /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/"? |
| 18:51.41 | slibs | abrotman: actually fluxbox, but gnome too |
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| 18:51.58 | abrotman | slibs: i've had luck with totem+xine+libdvdread |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | slibs: if all else fails .. try vlc or /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 18:52.32 | slibs | does mplayer support dvd menus? |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | not sure .. i don't use it .. |
| 18:53.02 | mac__ | abrotman: thx, that helped immensely... the "**on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config)" bit was what I was missing |
| 18:53.04 | abrotman | as much as people rave about it .. i'm sure it does |
| 18:53.13 | abrotman | mac__: glad to help :) |
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| 18:53.40 | punkass | anyone know of a updated sources for postfix, as the postifix-mysql module uses libmysqlclient10 which is to old |
| 18:53.43 | jade | is there a plesk like web server management tool for debian? |
| 18:54.00 | asg | !webmin |
| 18:54.00 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 18:54.02 | chealer | row: more like $ cp -r /lib/modules/2.6.12/extra/unicorn_* /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/extra/ |
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| 18:54.52 | jade | asg: is there something better? |
| 18:54.59 | zophyx_zen | vi |
| 18:55.11 | asg | jade: we all just use an editor over ssh. |
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| 18:55.19 | StarKruzr | can someone explain to me how to use mkinitrd with kernel versions 2.4.x? |
| 18:55.21 | toupeira | hi |
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| 18:55.30 | Orfeous | see you later guys! |
| 18:55.38 | Orfeous | going to install debian again now |
| 18:55.39 | row | chealer: "plodder:/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686# cp -r /lib/modules/2.6.12/extra/unicorn_* /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/extra/" "plodder:/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686# modprobe unicorn_pci_atm" "FATAL: Module unicorn_pci_atm not found." |
| 18:55.39 | StarKruzr | I have custom-built a kernel with a special scheduler and am trying to get it to boot correctly. |
| 18:55.43 | asg | StarKruzr: erm, same way as with 2.6.x kernels |
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| 18:55.59 | StarKruzr | asg: I don't know how with 2.6.x either. |
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| 18:56.11 | toupeira | does somebody know when the transition to libdbus-1-1 in unstable will be finished? i want to finally update to gnome 2.12... |
| 18:56.33 | asg | StarKruzr: edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf ; /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 18:56.39 | dondelelcaro | toupeira: if you can install it, the transition is finished. |
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| 18:57.04 | asg | StarKruzr: make sure your special module is in the initrd/ subdirector of /lib/modules/<kernel version> |
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| 18:57.08 | Karat3 | hi |
| 18:57.10 | toupeira | dondelelcaro: well, i *could* install gnome, but there are still lots of packages (almost all of kde, for example) which still depend on dbus-1 |
| 18:57.10 | StarKruzr | asg: I tried using an initrd which was built when someone else built a stock version of this kernel, but that only works incompletely. the network interface appears to not work correctly |
| 18:57.23 | StarKruzr | asg: I can't tell it to use the source tree in my homedir? |
| 18:57.44 | robn | where to find "typescript" |
| 18:57.47 | robn | HELLO |
| 18:57.48 | Supaplex | is there any reason why kernel-headers-* doesn't satisfy libc6-dev's requirement of 'linux-kernel-headers'? Any adverse effects from ignoring that dependency when kernel-image-2.6.14.2 is installed? |
| 18:57.52 | robn | where to find "typescript" program |
| 18:57.54 | StarKruzr | also can you tell me where it puts the modules that it builds? |
| 18:58.05 | robn | where to find "typescript" program, stratocaster |
| 18:58.14 | Karat3 | i want to install debian on my old p2. whatever it does not boot the netinstall cd image of sarge. it can boot the installer of ubuntu. why is this? (i tried two different cds with debian 3.1) |
| 18:58.24 | robn | where to find "typescript" program, StarKruzr k |
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| 18:58.34 | StarKruzr | asg: did any of that make sense? |
| 18:58.39 | beardy | Supaplex: Sounds like it's something that is going to be fixed, but haven't been yet? |
| 18:58.45 | robn | where to find "typescript" program, beardy |
| 18:58.53 | asg | StarKruzr: no, you seem to be talking about two things. Try using make-kpkg with the --initrd option. |
| 18:58.57 | Supaplex | beardy: I haven't investigated too deeply on that |
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| 18:59.13 | robn | where to find "typescript" program, Supaplex |
| 18:59.21 | asg | robn: whereis typescript |
| 18:59.31 | robn | its not on there |
| 18:59.35 | dondelelcaro | toupeira: uh... there are only 4 things that depend on dbus in unstable... |
| 18:59.45 | asg | robn: what does 'typescript' do? |
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| 19:00.02 | beardy | robn: 'locate typescript' 'which typescript' |
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| 19:00.14 | Supaplex | I think he means 'script' which records typescript |
| 19:00.15 | chealer | row: you'd need to show an ls -lr /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/ |
| 19:00.17 | Supaplex | 's |
| 19:00.20 | robn | its not on there in the distry, beardy |
| 19:00.29 | robn | its not on there in the distro, beardy |
| 19:00.29 | dondelelcaro | toupeira: so while you may still have a problem, it's not dbus that is causing it. |
| 19:00.39 | toupeira | dondelelcaro: are you sure? from the packages i have installed, there's for example liferea, k3b, python-dbus, and i'm sure there are more |
| 19:00.40 | StarKruzr | asg: dpkg knows how to use make-kpkg, I think it's called "mantra" or something but I can't remember how to ask it for it |
| 19:00.44 | robn | its not on there in the distro, beardy , which site to look |
| 19:00.49 | beardy | robn: What is it? Is the full name of it typescript? |
| 19:00.56 | Supaplex | robn: man script |
| 19:01.03 | asg | robn: you haven't told us wtf 'typescript' does |
| 19:01.08 | toupeira | dondelelcaro: also, the 3.5 kde packages at alioth still depend on dbus-1 |
| 19:01.12 | dondelelcaro | !+info python-dbus |
| 19:01.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:01.17 | dpkg | Package 'python-dbus' does not exist. |
| 19:01.18 | Supaplex | typescript doesn't do anything, it's the output of script(1) |
| 19:01.31 | toupeira | hmm... is python 2.4 standard now? |
| 19:01.33 | StarKruzr | asg: nevermind, I found it |
| 19:01.36 | asg | Supaplex: I know, he doesn't apparently |
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| 19:01.45 | Supaplex | !cluebat robn |
| 19:02.00 | dondelelcaro | toupeira: no, 2.3 is. |
| 19:02.18 | toupeira | dondelelcaro: that's funny, because python2.4-dbus depends on libdbus-1-1 |
| 19:02.21 | toupeira | but 2.3 does not |
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| 19:02.25 | rapsys | how to add a module to initrd 2.6 image ? |
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| 19:02.36 | dondelelcaro | toupeira: never mind; I was looking at the wrong list |
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| 19:02.38 | rapsys | I need the mptbase to be loaded at boot |
| 19:02.44 | asg | rapsys: man mkinitrd |
| 19:02.59 | rapsys | I use initramfs |
| 19:02.59 | robn | !cluebat robn |
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| 19:03.31 | robn | Supaplex, what do you mean ????????????????? |
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| 19:03.49 | liran_ | is there a way to tell firefox not to try to open a .csv file with the dialog window but rather just display it? |
| 19:03.49 | dondelelcaro | robn: lose the excess punctuation, please. |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman | beardy: why??????????/// |
| 19:04.25 | beardy | abrotman: yours too :) |
| 19:04.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:04.30 | asg | abrotman: your shift key is on the fritz |
| 19:04.38 | seba | Hola! necesito que me recomienden una distro para mi pc, es un AMD K6-2 450Mhz 128MB RAM (8MB van destinados a la tarjeta de video) 6.4GB dico duro .. Gracias por su ayuda.. |
| 19:04.38 | abrotman | asg: i blame GWB |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:04.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:04.46 | robn | where to find "typescript" program, Supaplex |
| 19:04.50 | asg | abrotman: hah, I read that as DJB |
| 19:04.55 | asg | robn: there isn't one. |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | him too! |
| 19:04.57 | seba | Hello! I need that they recommend one to me distro for my PC, is a AMD K6-2 450Mhz 128MB ram (8MB go destined to the video card) 6.4GB dico it last. Thanks for its aid. |
| 19:05.01 | seba | jejeje |
| 19:05.14 | row | chealer: can I pm you the output? |
| 19:05.14 | robn | asg it was there in slakware |
| 19:05.17 | beardy | robn: He told you, read the manual of the program called script. Type man script in your shell. |
| 19:05.18 | chealer | seba: what about sarge? ;) |
| 19:05.25 | asg | robn: now, if you will answer a simple question like 'what does typescript do?' we can find a useful analog. |
| 19:05.27 | resiak | seba: Bizarrely, we'll recommend Debian. |
| 19:05.27 | seba | yes |
| 19:05.28 | seba | :) |
| 19:05.28 | chealer | row: you'd better show a link to it |
| 19:05.39 | robn | ok thanks |
| 19:05.41 | robn | bye |
| 19:05.45 | seba | that so ubuntu? |
| 19:06.04 | beardy | (I'm not sure that he means script(1) though..) |
| 19:06.13 | chealer | seba: we don't understand your last question |
| 19:06.24 | asg | beardy: then if he didn't, he could have answered my question. |
| 19:06.36 | beardy | asg: yeah.. |
| 19:06.48 | row | chealer: http://pastebin.com/433381 |
| 19:07.04 | seba | xD |
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| 19:08.01 | seba | like civil employee ubuntu in my PC, or is better to install sarge to him? |
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| 19:08.12 | Catch`CoNdA | Hey, I have a problem with Debian (sarge/stable on 2.6.8-2) and soundblaster live! 5.1 |
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| 19:08.21 | beardy | The word typescript is mentioned on almost every line of script's manual though, so hopefully he will stay away. |
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| 19:08.33 | chealer | row: sorry, what I wanted to see was $ ls -lR /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/extra/ |
| 19:08.34 | seba | juas |
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| 19:08.46 | Catch`CoNdA | It doesnt seem like it recognize the soundcard, it shows up in lspci though |
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| 19:08.55 | seba | no entiendo ni mierda de ingles, menos mal que existe el traductor de google |
| 19:08.58 | seba | jejeje |
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| 19:09.17 | chealer | seba: please do not talk spanish here |
| 19:09.21 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 19:09.24 | row | chealer: http://pastebin.com/433389 |
| 19:09.28 | seba | ok |
| 19:09.30 | seba | jejeje |
| 19:09.42 | chealer | seba: for a recommendation of which distribution to use, ask ##linux. we will always recommend debian here |
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| 19:10.08 | abrotman | seba: va a #debian-es .. no habla espanol aqui |
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| 19:10.18 | seba | xD |
| 19:10.23 | abrotman | some day .. i'll learn a bit more :) |
| 19:10.24 | Catch`CoNdA | stew: yeah I have already done that, when I try alsamixer: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:10.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you learn the song ? |
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| 19:11.16 | seba | Thanks for the aid. Greetings from Chile |
| 19:11.17 | seba | :) |
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| 19:11.24 | karsten | seba: De nada. |
| 19:11.29 | seba | xD |
| 19:11.29 | abrotman | bah .. stupid spam bots |
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| 19:11.37 | karsten | abrotman: Which? |
| 19:11.39 | seba | jejeje |
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| 19:11.51 | abrotman | karsten: do you have part/join ignored ? |
| 19:11.57 | karsten | abrotman: Yep ;-) |
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| 19:12.12 | abrotman | karsten: then you won't see them |
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| 19:12.24 | karsten | abrotman: xgTCMao eoqioV JpzsYiye ? |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 19:12.36 | abrotman | and that one! |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | eyYiRy: die! |
| 19:12.43 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, did you get that ? or anyone else? |
| 19:12.44 | dondelelcaro | yeay for spambots. |
| 19:12.45 | karsten | !ops ban 85.97.134.206 bots |
| 19:12.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban 85.97.134.206 bots |
| 19:12.49 | *** part/#debian Euiioanaj (n=aekbiui@85.97.134.206) |
| 19:12.55 | abrotman | karsten: it's more than that IP |
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| 19:13.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.97.134.206] by debhelper |
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| 19:13.11 | bbrazil | looks like a class A |
| 19:13.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.101.200.213] by debhelper |
| 19:13.14 | *** kick/#debian [eyYiRy!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (Banned: requested) |
| 19:13.23 | karsten | abrotman: 85.97.58.228 as well, per lastlog. |
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| 19:13.42 | chealer | row: thanks, but I can't understand why modprobe doesn't work. can you paste the output of uname -r to be sure? |
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| 19:14.10 | row | chealer: "2.6.12-1-686" |
| 19:14.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: roughly .. 256^4 ? :) |
| 19:14.11 | ice_1963 | hello :0) |
| 19:14.16 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: apparently. |
| 19:14.16 | neenee | hello. |
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| 19:14.44 | karsten | Turkish ISP. |
| 19:14.55 | Catch`CoNdA | Hey, I have a problem with Debian (sarge/stable on 2.6.8-2) and soundblaster live! 5.1. It wont find the card, I have done the "alsa one-liner" and alsamixer doesnt find any device |
| 19:14.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: The ASN/CIDR: ASN (0): 9121 - CIDR: 85.97.0.0/17 |
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| 19:15.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... query at asn.routeviews.org |
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| 19:15.22 | dondelelcaro | karsten: right, but they have been on a bunch of different ones |
| 19:15.34 | dondelelcaro | 97, 101... the |
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| 19:15.52 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. Got any other IPs? I can run 'em pretty quickly. |
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| 19:16.03 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I can whois them too... |
| 19:16.04 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: do you have emu10k1 loaded? what about snd_emu10k1 ? |
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| 19:16.52 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, throw me another liner ;) Where do I find that? |
| 19:17.01 | dondelelcaro | since 85.97 is quite clearly a dynamic pool of somekind, they're almost certainly zombied windows machines in turkey |
| 19:17.13 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: lsmod | grep emu10k1 |
| 19:17.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS9121 |
| 19:17.21 | abrotman | i hear there are lots of pirated Sony CDs in turkey :) |
| 19:17.22 | Karat3 | how can i install debian from a kubuntu installer cd?? |
| 19:17.28 | abrotman | !d-i Karat3 |
| 19:17.29 | dpkg | Karat3, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:17.35 | Catch`CoNdA | emu10k1_gp 3840 0 |
| 19:17.35 | Catch`CoNdA | snd_emu10k1 80776 0 |
| 19:17.40 | Catch`CoNdA | yeah it is running |
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| 19:17.52 | chealer | row: I must be missing something about modprobe. try insmod if nobody else can help |
| 19:18.05 | Karat3 | abrotman: the debian isos dont boot on this old computer and i have no flobbies |
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| 19:18.17 | abrotman | Karat3: did you try the 2.4 and 2.6 images ? |
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| 19:18.32 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 |
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| 19:18.48 | abrotman | that would work much better if the site was up |
| 19:18.50 | abrotman | oh .. it is |
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| 19:18.52 | row | chealer: that worked! |
| 19:19.14 | Karat3 | abrotman: i tried 3.1 and 2.2 |
| 19:19.32 | abrotman | Karat3: no .. the 3.1 installer has a 2.4 *and* 2.6 kernel .. did oyu try them both ? |
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| 19:20.06 | Karat3 | abrotman it says: "Non-System disk or disk error" "replace and strike any keay when ready" |
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| 19:20.20 | abrotman | Karat3: did you burn it as an ISO .. or as a data file ? |
| 19:20.33 | Karat3 | abrotman: as an iso |
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| 19:20.45 | Karat3 | i used this cd on other computers already |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | Karat3: if your system can boot an Ubuntu CD .. and not a Debian CD .. i suspect the burn failed somehow |
| 19:20.58 | Karat3 | and i have two cds with sarge |
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| 19:21.14 | Brox | i tried enlightenment and then deinstalled it - but i cant get back to my gnome desktop. What configuration files do i have to change to make it work? |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | !tell Karat3 about debootstrap |
| 19:21.36 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, have you forgotton me ? :) |
| 19:21.48 | abrotman | he's trying :) |
| 19:22.01 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: you need to unload emu10k1 |
| 19:22.15 | Karat3 | abrotman: ok, can you tell me in short how to use debootstrap ? |
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| 19:22.21 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 19:22.23 | row | chealer: I got sync and everything I lub you! |
| 19:22.30 | yacc | Karat3: What do you want to achieve? |
| 19:22.38 | jade | which group should i add user to in order to gain permissions close to root, but not as high? |
| 19:22.38 | chealer | row: hehe, it's a pleasure |
| 19:22.46 | jade | was thinking admin |
| 19:22.47 | asg | jade: just use 'sudo' |
| 19:22.49 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: do this: modprobe -r emu10k1 ; modprobe -r snd_emu10k1 ; modprobe snd_emu10k1 ; and see if sound is working |
| 19:22.49 | jade | adm |
| 19:22.56 | asg | jade: adm just has access to /var/log |
| 19:23.05 | abrotman | Karat3: i've never used it .. but enough people have done it .. must not be that hard |
| 19:23.16 | Brox | ok how do i start gnome if startx just exist (no error)? |
| 19:23.22 | abrotman | !tell Karat3 about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 19:23.29 | abrotman | Karat3: that's another option |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | Karat3: and you should burn ISOs pretty darn slowly .. none of that 48x stuff |
| 19:23.48 | Brox | c'mon |
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| 19:24.07 | Karat3 | abrotman: my burner is 4x max ;) |
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| 19:24.09 | PDani_ | hi |
| 19:24.22 | abrotman | Karat3: ah ok |
| 19:24.30 | PDani_ | is there a partimage backport package for debian stable ? |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | Brox: did you install gnome ? did you install x-window-system-core ? |
| 19:24.45 | Brox | of course |
| 19:24.51 | abrotman | and startx does what ? |
| 19:25.21 | Brox | it shows me a few warnings because of the keyboard settings (nothing) |
| 19:25.35 | asg | PDani_: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:25.59 | abrotman | Brox: there should be like ... ~/.xsession-errors or something |
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| 19:26.37 | Brox | .xsession and .xinit are empty |
| 19:26.49 | Brox | .xinitrc |
| 19:26.53 | abrotman | i didn't say that file |
| 19:26.59 | row | is there a way to get eth0 to use ppp0's ip so you don't have to use two? |
| 19:27.04 | abrotman | !tell PDani_ about backports |
| 19:27.09 | chealer | row: just figured out how to make modprobe work : # depmod -a |
| 19:27.16 | Brox | ok .xsession is empty and there are no errros |
| 19:27.36 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, no it does not work |
| 19:27.44 | row | chealer: what does that do, insmod worked tho, will the module load on boot find now or do I need to add it everytime at boot up? |
| 19:27.45 | PDani_ | thx very much |
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| 19:27.54 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, or just hold on.. alsamixer works now.. :) |
| 19:27.58 | abrotman | Brox: you have no error log .. anywhere ? .. |
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| 19:28.11 | chealer | row: I'm pretty sure you'll have to load it every time if you leave it like that |
| 19:28.42 | row | chealer: how can I fix it then? |
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| 19:28.44 | Brox | what do i have to execute? gnome-wm just gives me the a blank window |
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| 19:28.57 | Van-afk | whats a good package to burn CD under console for Debian |
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| 19:29.02 | chealer | row: check the manpage...in you case it will avoid the # modprobe unicorn_pci_atm" "FATAL: Module unicorn_pci_atm not found." |
| 19:29.11 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, yeah.. now the master is set to [OFF] in alsamixer, what is the key geasture to turn it to on? |
| 19:29.36 | chealer | row: you first make sure that # modprobe unicorn_pci_atm; works, then you add unicorn_pci_atm to /etc/modules |
| 19:29.53 | pureone | Catch`CoNdA: m i belive |
| 19:30.20 | Van-afk | whats a good package to burn CD under console for Debian ? |
| 19:30.24 | abrotman | Van-afk: cdrecord |
| 19:30.28 | abrotman | !tell Van-afk about repeat |
| 19:31.13 | x`y-xy | how can setup 1024 X 768 resolution on HP OmniBook XE3 winth debian ....pls help me |
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| 19:31.33 | abrotman | !drxx x`y-xy |
| 19:31.34 | dpkg | x`y-xy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:31.38 | raden | in kde is there a way to log the login ? |
| 19:31.41 | jade | to change the hostname of a server after install, do i only need to change the /etc/hostname file or are there other changes required? (e.g. reboot, etc..) |
| 19:31.41 | lite | so. mozilla-thunderbird-locale-fi package does not exist any more? :o |
| 19:32.20 | raden | my graphical login appears for KDE i put my username and pass in i get a black screen for 3 seconds and returns to graphical login thisw only happens to 1 user on the system |
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| 19:32.47 | moritz_ | what can i do with zsh? |
| 19:32.48 | abrotman | raden: check /var/log/ for something .. or ask #debian-kde |
| 19:32.50 | Catch`CoNdA | hmm, its still no sound. Now I have turned all settings to on |
| 19:32.53 | asg | raden: less in /var/log/auth.log, see if anything is odd |
| 19:33.10 | asg | moritz_: #zsh |
| 19:33.23 | Brox | the answer was: in .xinitrc |
| 19:33.23 | Brox | exec gnome-session |
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| 19:33.31 | SerajewelKS | raden: sounds like their KDE configuration is fscked |
| 19:33.45 | row | chealer: that all works now. cheers :D |
| 19:33.48 | jade | about the change my server's hostname... anything important i should know? |
| 19:33.51 | SerajewelKS | raden: go to the user's home folder and type 'mv .kde .kde-bak' and try again |
| 19:33.55 | asg | jade: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 19:33.58 | chealer | row: cool |
| 19:34.10 | raden | SerajewelKS, thanks il ltry that |
| 19:34.12 | Rawplayer | is there a good alternative for nfs? |
| 19:34.16 | SerajewelKS | raden: if it works after that, something in their KDE configuration was wrong and caused KDE to die |
| 19:34.17 | asg | jade: verify all your services (i.e., apache, etc.) aren't manually configured to use the old hostname. |
| 19:34.18 | Brox | now that i've seen enlightenment i really like gnome |
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| 19:34.42 | Brox | but i only gave it about 10 min |
| 19:35.09 | row | chealer: I know asked you a lot already, but just so I know I am not googling for no point , I can give eth0 ppp0's IP can't I, like current router's eth0 has my router's ppp0 ip. |
| 19:35.10 | raden | brb |
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| 19:35.23 | jade | asg: thanks |
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| 19:36.01 | SerajewelKS | row: if you're trying to have one computer route for another computer, that's not the way to do it |
| 19:36.09 | SerajewelKS | row: otherwise i have no idea what you're trying to accomplish |
| 19:36.11 | chealer | row: please don't ask someone a question just because that person answered another question. I've seen your question already |
| 19:36.17 | raden | SerajewelKS, did the same thing |
| 19:36.26 | emss | is there a reason why unstable doesn't have a mplayer package? |
| 19:36.27 | SerajewelKS | raden: =/ |
| 19:36.31 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, any tips? I have unmuted the stuff in the alsamixer and what not. There is still no sound |
| 19:36.33 | raden | i have a feeling it has something todo with a graphics configuration but everyone else is working |
| 19:36.37 | SerajewelKS | emss: patent reasons |
| 19:36.39 | chealer | emss: yes, because mplayer isn't in debian |
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| 19:36.42 | SerajewelKS | !marillat |
| 19:36.42 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 19:36.44 | chealer | !tell emss about mplayer |
| 19:36.51 | raden | and PS im on one of our few SUSE boxes but the dudes in Suse are of no use |
| 19:36.56 | juice` | when i run apt-get build-dep php4, i get 'E: Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied.' message. how can i check which packages im missing and why it doesnt show it ? |
| 19:37.00 | hacim | emss: try ffplay |
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| 19:37.02 | row | SerajewelKS: I am trying to save IPs, router does not need the IP itself, I have a /29, currently I have a adsl router that use the router IP for both its ppp0 and eth0 interfaces meaning I use 1 less IP. |
| 19:37.06 | raden | so we know its not kde Correct ? |
| 19:37.09 | SerajewelKS | raden: uhm well... |
| 19:37.11 | asg | raden: have you checked your logs? |
| 19:37.13 | dolph | debian.pl |
| 19:37.22 | asg | !give dolph a # |
| 19:37.23 | dpkg | give dolph a # |
| 19:37.24 | dolph | server debian.pl |
| 19:37.24 | raden | asg, ill paste my 2 line log |
| 19:37.31 | slibs | anyone got expirience with thinkpad 600x?, im trying to get dvd:s work but seems like i need better drivers for graphics card |
| 19:37.45 | x`y-xy | i don't have instaled xfree86 or xorg or xf86config .....how can install themm ???? |
| 19:37.49 | emss | thanks |
| 19:37.59 | SerajewelKS | raden: move their home folder away and make a new one |
| 19:38.04 | asg | x`y-xy: how many times do we have to tell you. /msg dpkg set up x |
| 19:38.13 | SerajewelKS | raden: e.g. cd /home; mv user user-old; mkdir user |
| 19:38.19 | chealer | slibs: really? what makes you think that? |
| 19:38.20 | slibs | x`y-xy: with apt-get install, but it's easier if you just do base-config and install desktop-thingie in there |
| 19:38.25 | SerajewelKS | raden: then try again.. and if it STILL happens then something is very wrong |
| 19:38.37 | raden | SerajewelKS, already tried that |
| 19:38.44 | SerajewelKS | raden: O_o |
| 19:38.48 | asg | raden: can the user login from console? |
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| 19:38.52 | abrotman | x`y-xy: which desktop do you want to use ? |
| 19:38.52 | raden | its something in the grphics but i cant figure out how to get a log on the login |
| 19:38.58 | raden | console is fine |
| 19:39.00 | slibs | chealer: mplayer says something about that, vlc plays dvd's in softwaremode and xine won't play at all |
| 19:39.11 | SerajewelKS | raden: but you can login to kde with other user accounts? |
| 19:39.15 | x`y-xy | kde |
| 19:39.18 | abrotman | slibs: did oyu install libdvdread or libdvdcss ? |
| 19:39.26 | abrotman | x`y-xy: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 19:39.31 | slibs | slibs: yes |
| 19:39.31 | raden | root and 15 others can login graphically and ive had this user running 65 days |
| 19:39.32 | cOff3ebuZz | hrm, building a kernel module from source... i unpacked source to /usr/src/linux-2.6.blah .. link /usr/src/linux to it but i get "cant find kernel sources in /usr/src/linux" ?? |
| 19:39.38 | slibs | what |
| 19:39.39 | abrotman | slibs: don't talk to yourself :) |
| 19:39.39 | chealer | slibs: what does xine do? which driver do you use BTW? |
| 19:39.42 | slibs | am talking to myself :D |
| 19:39.48 | raden | and today just wont go but first time its been logged out in like a month |
| 19:39.52 | SerajewelKS | raden: you logged root in graphically? |
| 19:39.55 | slibs | chealer: vesa |
| 19:40.01 | raden | SerajewelKS, yes sir |
| 19:40.02 | slibs | right now |
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| 19:40.14 | SerajewelKS | raden: hrm okay well... i don't know what to tell you |
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| 19:40.35 | raden | everythign works except 1 user and this is getting a lil old cause this is a ongoing thing |
| 19:40.35 | SerajewelKS | raden: i've never seen one particular user be unable to login to KDE even after their home folder was moved away |
| 19:40.42 | slibs | i also tried neomagic, but the videoscreen goes just blue with that |
| 19:40.44 | asg | raden: anything in the user's ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 19:40.47 | chealer | slibs: well, that's certainly not an optimized driver. what's your graphics card? |
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| 19:40.59 | raden | im thinking of whipping all suse boxes here and just puttindeb on cause no one can fix this issue and this 3rd time it has happened in 2 monthds |
| 19:41.05 | SerajewelKS | raden: try moving their home folder away again, but when you make their new empty home folder make sure they have write permissions to it |
| 19:41.07 | raden | asg, nothing at all |
| 19:41.14 | slibs | chealer: if i'd know, i wouldn't ask if anyone got expirience with thinkpad 600x :D |
| 19:41.17 | asg | raden: do they have an ~/.xsession file with something stupid in it? |
| 19:41.19 | gregn | is there anyway i can tell what line location i greped a certain line from? for instance, cat file | grep bob how could I find out what line in the file contained bob |
| 19:41.20 | raden | SerajewelKS, i set permissions to 777 |
| 19:41.28 | raden | asg, lemee check |
| 19:41.29 | SerajewelKS | raden: ok... |
| 19:41.40 | SerajewelKS | asg: that woulda fixed it when he moved the user's home away though |
| 19:41.45 | juice` | when i run apt-get build-dep php4, i get 'E: Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied.' message. how can i check which packages im missing and why it doesnt show it ? |
| 19:41.46 | raden | SerajewelKS, i thought at first maybe a permission error also but no go |
| 19:41.50 | raden | ive been working on this 7 hours |
| 19:41.58 | chealer | slibs: well don't expect people on IRC to tell you what's your graphics card |
| 19:42.01 | Orfeous | got some problems now..ive just installed debian and with grub as boot manager. when i restarted the computer and it where at the point the the boot manager shows up. it says GRUB. nothing more.. i have tried to press on all available keys but nothing happens. what to do now? why is it like this? |
| 19:42.04 | SerajewelKS | raden: maybe clean out /tmp? |
| 19:42.07 | asg | SerajewelKS: it should, just checking |
| 19:42.09 | juice` | gregn: -n |
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| 19:42.16 | chealer | juice`: I think it's an apt "bug" |
| 19:42.37 | slibs | chealer: i didn't ask that, i did ask that does anyone got expirience with thinkpad 600x :) |
| 19:42.39 | chealer | juice`: try installing all the build-deps one by one if there aren't that many |
| 19:42.46 | asg | SerajewelKS: oh, did he move the full /home/foo or just /home/foo/.kde? |
| 19:42.48 | SerajewelKS | Orfeous: boot from a bootdisk or livecd and reinstall grub |
| 19:42.50 | juice` | chealer: any idea how to check them? :) |
| 19:42.56 | SerajewelKS | asg: he says he tried both |
| 19:43.12 | SerajewelKS | asg: i don't get it at all =/ |
| 19:43.17 | chealer | slibs: don't expect people to tell you "yes, here's the solution to all your problems" neither |
| 19:43.34 | asg | SerajewelKS: yeah, it's quite odd |
| 19:43.36 | juice` | chealer: i mean, how can i install them one by one if i dont know which one i should install :) |
| 19:43.38 | slibs | did i say i do? :< |
| 19:43.48 | slibs | im not an total idiot |
| 19:43.58 | raden | asg, where would i be looking for that file again im loosing my mind today problem is a good 1/3 of the company info on that account and if i dont get the account working its going to take me a good 2 weeks to piece it bak together undera new user |
| 19:43.58 | abrotman | slibs: can you give a percentage? :) |
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| 19:44.07 | asg | raden: /home/<user>/.xsession |
| 19:44.09 | abrotman | slibs: you tried libdvdread ? |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | slibs: and did you try mplayer ? |
| 19:44.23 | asg | raden: they may not have one but if they do and it's broken, the problem you describe would be exhibited. |
| 19:44.29 | chealer | juice`: apt-cache showsrc foo |
| 19:44.31 | slibs | abrotman: yes to both |
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| 19:44.44 | abrotman | slibs: and when installing mplayer .. you also got libdvdcss ? |
| 19:44.45 | SerajewelKS | raden: can you reboot? (assuming you tried this) |
| 19:44.52 | slibs | the problem isn't that the dvd isn't playing at all, since vlc plays it in software mode |
| 19:44.59 | abrotman | slibs: and the w32codecs ? |
| 19:45.07 | slibs | hmm |
| 19:45.07 | raden | SerajewelKS, yes rebooted |
| 19:45.14 | slibs | i don't know about that |
| 19:45.30 | raden | how do i view hidden files in console ? |
| 19:45.31 | asg | SerajewelKS: you might have him attach strace to kdm and see if anything fungible comes out |
| 19:45.41 | asg | raden: ls -lar |
| 19:45.58 | SerajewelKS | asg: was going to suggest that, but weeding through a display manager's strace doesn't sound like fun =) |
| 19:46.01 | raden | SerajewelKS, i changed the user to user-bak this time and i got a error saying KDE couldnt start no black screen |
| 19:46.17 | asg | SerajewelKS: true, might be the only way though. |
| 19:46.19 | SerajewelKS | raden: did you make a new /home/user ? |
| 19:46.27 | SerajewelKS | raden: that he can write to? |
| 19:46.48 | raden | SerajewelKS, yes i did |
| 19:46.49 | SerajewelKS | asg: maybe he didn't try moving the user's home |
| 19:46.58 | SerajewelKS | raden: hmm |
| 19:47.09 | raden | i just made a user dir |
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| 19:47.13 | raden | mkdir jon |
| 19:47.25 | SerajewelKS | raden: and set perms? |
| 19:47.29 | raden | but kde still no go but for diffrent reason |
| 19:47.31 | asg | SerajewelKS: maybe. |
| 19:47.41 | raden | SerajewelKS, lemee try again |
| 19:47.42 | SerajewelKS | raden: if jon can't write to /home/jon then KDE won't start either |
| 19:47.51 | cOff3ebuZz | hrm, does anyone else have $KSRC/include/linux/version.h in their kernel source? linux-source-2.6.12-10_all does not contain it and ndiswrapper module requires it. |
| 19:47.59 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 19:47.59 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 19:48.02 | SerajewelKS | raden: mkdir /home/jon; chown jon /home/jon; chmod 755 /home/jon |
| 19:48.09 | abrotman | dpkg: that was worthless |
| 19:48.22 | abrotman | kind of |
| 19:48.32 | peritus_ | 19:38:45 <peritus> JAGVILLINTEPLUGGABAAAAAAH |
| 19:48.42 | abrotman | peritus_: aw hell no .. you don't say! |
| 19:48.47 | abrotman | i hate it when that happens |
| 19:48.59 | peritus_ | yeah, stupid button' |
| 19:49.16 | raden | SerajewelKS, drwxr-xr-x 2 jon root 48 2005-11-17 13:47 jon |
| 19:49.17 | cOff3ebuZz | well, i'll do the link part ;) see if it works |
| 19:49.20 | cOff3ebuZz | thanks |
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| 19:49.48 | jade | after i ssh -X <host>, then try xterm it says "xterm Xt error: Can't open display:", "xterm: DISPLAY is not set". ssh -X should set the display automatically, correct? |
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| 19:50.21 | SerajewelKS | raden: right |
| 19:50.24 | raden | SerajewelKS, Houston we have lift off |
| 19:50.29 | raden | Now im baffled |
| 19:50.36 | abrotman | i'm abrotman |
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| 19:51.02 | SerajewelKS | raden: okay, that's good |
| 19:51.11 | SerajewelKS | raden: something in his home folder is fscking KDE over |
| 19:51.18 | liran_ | just wondering |
| 19:51.21 | Mr-R | jade: you have to reconfigure the ssh-server to allow x11forwarding |
| 19:51.23 | SerajewelKS | raden: check .xsession and .Xsession |
| 19:51.24 | raden | so we secluded it to the users previos directory where the probnlem exists |
| 19:51.31 | SerajewelKS | raden: if either exists, what are the contents |
| 19:51.40 | liran_ | is it possible to save a current session in firefox/mozilla like in opera? |
| 19:51.40 | david_ | Whats the difference between linux-kernel-headers and linux-headers ? |
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| 19:51.52 | jade | Mr-R, thanks |
| 19:51.54 | raden | SerajewelKS, gimme a few seconds im in a clutter of files |
| 19:52.01 | dondelelcaro | david_: the former is used by everything, the latter corresponds to a specific kernel. |
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| 19:52.13 | raden | is there anyway to graphical SU in KDE while logged in as a normal user ? |
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| 19:52.27 | SerajewelKS | raden: kdesu |
| 19:52.28 | abrotman | sux |
| 19:52.48 | yacc | kdesu |
| 19:52.57 | david_ | dondelelcaro, how to generate the first one ? |
| 19:53.31 | raden | not working stuck in console i guess |
| 19:53.57 | juice` | to build php4 from debian packages i have to install two conflicting packages... is it normal? ;) |
| 19:53.58 | SerajewelKS | raden: e.g. kdesu konqueror |
| 19:54.02 | dondelelcaro | david_: you don't; just install it. |
| 19:54.27 | raden | SerajewelKS, yeha its just not working |
| 19:54.28 | dondelelcaro | !info linux-kernel-headers |
| 19:54.32 | dpkg | linux-kernel-headers: (Linux Kernel Headers for development), section devel, is standard. Version: 2.6.13+0rc3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1604 kB, Installed size: 9748 kB |
| 19:54.35 | chealer | juice`: no |
| 19:54.49 | SerajewelKS | raden: =/ |
| 19:54.49 | raden | SerajewelKS, where would i look for a .xsession ? |
| 19:54.56 | SerajewelKS | raden: /home/jon-bak |
| 19:54.58 | david_ | dondelelcaro: But if i'm using a new kernel can I use an old version ? |
| 19:55.12 | juice` | apache2-prefork-dev: Depends: libdb4.2-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:55.14 | juice` | libapr0-dev: Depends: libdb4.2-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:55.35 | chealer | juice`: try installing libdb4.2-dev |
| 19:55.37 | juice` | when i install it |
| 19:55.47 | juice` | apache-dev: Depends: libdb4.3-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:56.19 | juice` | when i try to install 4.3, i of course get this |
| 19:56.25 | juice` | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 19:56.25 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.27 | raden | SerajewelKS, not finding anything lemee check aroun d |
| 19:56.29 | juice` | ... |
| 19:56.42 | raden | gah i wish i had time to play with routing and get ssh working id just have yeah ssh |
| 19:57.01 | stew | juice`: you need to install apache-dev from etch, not from sid then |
| 19:57.26 | raden | SerajewelKS, .xsessionerrors |
| 19:57.36 | juice` | im using etch |
| 19:57.46 | stew | !depends apache-dev etch |
| 19:57.53 | dpkg | apache-dev: depends on apache-common (>= 1.3.34-1), apache-common (<< 1.3.35), libdb4.3-dev, libexpat1-dev |
| 19:57.53 | stew | !depends apache-dev sid |
| 19:57.55 | dpkg | apache-dev: depends on apache-common (>= 1.3.34-1), apache-common (<< 1.3.35), libdb4.3-dev, libexpat1-dev |
| 19:58.05 | stew | oh |
| 19:58.19 | SerajewelKS | raden: yeah, look in there |
| 19:58.31 | SerajewelKS | raden: that should tell us where it's crapping out |
| 19:58.49 | juice` | !depends apache2-prefork-dev etch |
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| 19:58.50 | raden | if i could find a way to get su in grphical this would be easier lol |
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| 19:58.51 | dpkg | apache2-prefork-dev: depends on apache2-common (= 2.0.54-5), libapr0-dev (= 2.0.54-5), libssl-dev, openssl, bzip2, autoconf, autotools-dev, libtool, libdb4.2-dev, zlib1g-dev, libpcre3-dev |
| 19:58.57 | stew | !+info libdb4.2-dev etch |
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| 19:59.00 | dpkg | libdb4.2-dev: (Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [development]), section libdevel, is extra. Version: 4.2.52-18 (etch), Packaged size: 454 kB, Installed size: 1284 kB |
| 19:59.35 | stew | juice`: so why cant you install libdb4.3-dev? |
| 19:59.37 | SerajewelKS | raden: why do you need to su |
| 19:59.40 | bouncing | With a vendor and product, how do I automatically insert the right kernel modules when a usbserial device is inserted? It doesn't seem to be in the hotplug database. |
| 19:59.44 | SerajewelKS | raden: jon should have perms to read /home/jon-bak |
| 19:59.55 | juice` | becouse of apache2-prefork-dev |
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| 19:59.59 | eeyore- | bouncing: usb-storage? |
| 20:00.09 | juice` | it depends on libdb4.2-dev |
| 20:00.11 | bouncing | eeyore-: EVDO cell phone modem |
| 20:00.15 | raden | SerajewelKS, im logged in as a nother user never thoiugh about that lemee paste at paste buin quick |
| 20:00.18 | juice` | and of course 4.2 and 4.3 are in conflict |
| 20:00.26 | eeyore- | bouncing: does it work as a serial port? |
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| 20:00.34 | bouncing | eeyore-: It's a pccard but it appears on the usb list in /proc and uses usbserial |
| 20:00.47 | eeyore- | bouncing: ok then, usbserial :-) |
| 20:00.55 | raden | SerajewelKS, http://pastebin.com/433445 |
| 20:00.57 | bouncing | eeyore-: Yes, it requires ohci_hcd and usbserial |
| 20:01.24 | bouncing | eeyore-: It's just that usbserial and ohci-hcd aren't inserted automatically. usbserial requires vendor= and product= arguments |
| 20:01.30 | juice` | stew: any ideas? |
| 20:01.31 | stew | juice`: then you have to use apache2-prefork-dev from sid |
| 20:01.40 | juice` | oh... |
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| 20:01.46 | stew | juice`: or wait for it to enter etch |
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| 20:01.47 | fevoldj2 | hi |
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| 20:01.57 | fevoldj2 | Is there a limit to the number of drives that may be mounted? |
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| 20:02.24 | juice` | but apache2-prefork-dev is in etch already i think |
| 20:02.53 | eeyore- | bouncing: in that case i don't know, then. if it's just hotplug loading module it would be /etc/hotplug/usb.distmap ... |
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| 20:03.06 | stew | juice`: it does, but the one in etch depends on libdb4.2 and the on in sid depends on 4.3, |
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| 20:03.12 | juice` | and there are more packages depending on 4.2 |
| 20:03.24 | juice` | so i need all version of those packages from sid i guess |
| 20:03.31 | stew | juice`: or you need to wait |
| 20:03.36 | eeyore- | bouncing: hmm, "modinfo usbserial" doesn't show me vendor= product= |
| 20:03.36 | juice` | !depends apache2-prefork-dev sid |
| 20:03.38 | dpkg | apache2-prefork-dev: depends on apache2-common (= 2.0.55-3), libapr0-dev (= 2.0.55-3), libssl-dev, openssl, bzip2, autoconf, autotools-dev, libtool, libdb4.3-dev, zlib1g-dev, libpcre3-dev |
| 20:03.42 | juice` | oh i see. |
| 20:03.51 | juice` | but it depends on some 2.0.55 |
| 20:04.08 | juice` | and 2.0.55 common probably depends on apache2 2.0.55... |
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| 20:04.13 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 20:04.16 | dkg0 | bouncing: are you using udev or just hotplug? testing or sarge? |
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| 20:05.00 | Jacky^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.00 | juice` | and all this for one small gd lib :( |
| 20:05.05 | Jacky^ | any idea ? |
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| 20:05.10 | bouncing | dpkg: I'm not using either right now, I'm manually inserting the modules |
| 20:05.23 | bouncing | eeyore-: Well, it does seem to take it... :) |
| 20:05.35 | dkg0 | bouncing: (i'm dkg0, not dpkg |
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| 20:06.03 | dkg0 | bouncing: ) hotplug and udev are designed to help autoload modules and run scripts based on hotplug events. |
| 20:06.38 | bouncing | dkg0: Oops, sorry :) |
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| 20:06.55 | stew | hotplug is designed to autoload modules, udev isn't |
| 20:07.23 | SerajewelKS | raden: don't see anything that'd cause a crash |
| 20:07.25 | dkg0 | stew: actually, udev in testing currently conflicts with hotplug. it's taken over that functionality. |
| 20:07.29 | bouncing | dkg0: So how would I go about in configuring hotplug and/or udev to insert certain modules and maybe even bring up a network interface on car insertion? |
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| 20:07.38 | stew | dkg0: its not taking over the loading modules part though |
| 20:07.39 | raden | SerajewelKS, lemee look i though i saw one more |
| 20:07.55 | bouncing | card insertion |
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| 20:08.16 | raden | i couldnt boot that user when i didnt have .kde either soo we know the .kde directory is fine correct ? |
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| 20:08.48 | dkg0 | stew: really? grep -r modprobe /etc/udev | wc -l gives me 18 on an etch system. |
| 20:08.51 | raden | why don't i have these problems with debian |
| 20:09.06 | abrotman | raden: because debian isn't suse ? |
| 20:09.18 | stew | dkg0: zless /usr/share/doc/udev/FAQ.gz search for module |
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| 20:09.23 | abrotman | !captain obvious me |
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| 20:09.24 | blondie|BOFH | debian > suse :P |
| 20:09.29 | Yarou | kekeke |
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| 20:09.54 | raden | abrotman, good point this is total BS |
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| 20:10.09 | Johughes | How do I "activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option"?? |
| 20:10.10 | dkg0 | stew: reading... thanks for the pointer. |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | !force-loopbreak |
| 20:10.20 | abrotman | hrm |
| 20:10.33 | Yarou | debian != SuSe. |
| 20:10.39 | abrotman | did i break him again ? |
| 20:10.54 | stew | Johughes: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 20:11.07 | Johughes | thanks. |
| 20:11.07 | abrotman | !force loopbreak |
| 20:11.08 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. |
| 20:11.19 | abrotman | oh .. that's old eh ? |
| 20:11.19 | stew | Johughes: you probably shouldn't activate it |
| 20:11.32 | Johughes | yeah, I don't think so either.. |
| 20:11.34 | stew | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 20:11.34 | dpkg | from memory, e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:12.19 | Orfeous | SerajewelKS: why cant i press any key when it says GRUB? |
| 20:12.27 | Orfeous | why isnt the menu coming up? |
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| 20:12.40 | Yarou | lol |
| 20:12.58 | Ockie | bunas hay alguien que hable espaņol en el foro |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:13.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:13.04 | dkg0 | stew: since udev now conflicts with the hotplug package on etch, what's loading those modules then? |
| 20:13.32 | dkg0 | stew: that is, i'm running udev and not hotplug, and the appropriate modules are all being loaded upon device insertion. |
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| 20:14.17 | resiak | dkg0: udev and "coldplug" , I _think_ |
| 20:14.19 | stew | dkg0: well it seems that udev is saying, "not our problem", if they are being loaded for you automatically, its probably discover |
| 20:14.55 | MoDaX | dkg0: read news in /usr/share/doc/udev/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 20:15.09 | raden | SerajewelKS, http://pastebin.com/433468 |
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| 20:16.43 | deadcat | firmware_class no longer needed in 2.6.14? |
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| 20:19.22 | SerajewelKS | raden: yeah that's not good |
| 20:19.24 | dkg0 | MoDaX: thanks, the NEWS from 0.070-3 is the key. |
| 20:19.25 | SerajewelKS | !mit magic cookie |
| 20:19.25 | dpkg | from memory, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | raden: sorry .. i hate the magic cookie |
| 20:19.45 | SerajewelKS | raden: try removing his .Xauthority and logging in again |
| 20:19.47 | abrotman | !burp |
| 20:19.53 | abrotman | err ate it |
| 20:19.55 | abrotman | not hate it |
| 20:20.02 | raden | SerajewelKS, okie dokie |
| 20:20.48 | Karat3 | is there a list with available sarge http://SOMETHING/debian sources? |
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| 20:21.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:21.04 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 20:21.26 | Tanner | hello? |
| 20:21.28 | stew | Karat3: if you already have debian running, apt-setup |
| 20:21.32 | andrewb78 | I am having some issues installing sarge on my desktop system. Specifically, when doing the base system configuration, I cannot get my eth0 to work at all, even though it worked for the first part (floppies) of the install. |
| 20:21.50 | Karat3 | stew: i am using a non debian cd for booting... |
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| 20:21.59 | abrotman | andrewb78: the system is installed though |
| 20:22.01 | abrotman | ? |
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| 20:23.06 | raden | SerajewelKS, houston no go |
| 20:23.09 | Karat3 | so where are the debian sources???? |
| 20:23.20 | misieq | how do i set up connection sharing in 3.1r0? |
| 20:23.24 | SerajewelKS | raden: any other .[Xx]* files in his home? |
| 20:23.29 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:23.29 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | Karat3: ^^ |
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| 20:23.51 | SerajewelKS | misieq: you mean as a routed client, or the routing server? |
| 20:24.01 | misieq | routing server |
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| 20:24.21 | raden | SerajewelKS, lots http://pastebin.com/433476 |
| 20:24.23 | andrewb78 | I tried going to shell and doing ifdown and ifup, but I got the message "eth0: no link during initialization" on the ifup. route -n looks fine, but the interface does not respond at all. |
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| 20:24.44 | andrewb78 | Any advice? |
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| 20:25.15 | SerajewelKS | raden: move .kde-bak back to .kde |
| 20:25.35 | SerajewelKS | raden: do you know what .Xauth is? |
| 20:25.45 | stew | andrewb78: plug the cable in? |
| 20:26.04 | raden | SerajewelKS, no i dunot |
| 20:26.08 | andrewb78 | abrotman: the debian installer is installed, I think -- eth0 worked during the setup of that |
| 20:26.12 | raden | SerajewelKS, no i donot |
| 20:26.21 | abrotman | andrewb78: did the whole setup finish ? |
| 20:26.27 | andrewb78 | stew: yes, the cable is plugged in |
| 20:26.38 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 20:26.41 | stew | andrewb78: do you have a link light? |
| 20:26.56 | raden | SerajewelKS, all i know is everytime i attempt a login it makes a new one |
| 20:26.59 | SerajewelKS | raden: neither do it |
| 20:27.00 | andrewb78 | abrotman: it finished the floppy part and had me reboot |
| 20:27.06 | SerajewelKS | raden: but it's probably your problem =) |
| 20:27.10 | misieq | SerajewelKS: any ideas? |
| 20:27.13 | SerajewelKS | raden: move it to .Xauth-bak or something and try again |
| 20:27.19 | raden | i did |
| 20:27.25 | abrotman | andrewb78: dmesg | grep -i eth |
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| 20:27.36 | raden | i gave you the directory right after i tried to log in it keeps creating one |
| 20:27.43 | Ungy | is there a way I can detect what NIC's have a cable in them? |
| 20:27.47 | andrewb78 | stew: only a connection light saying that the cable is plugged in and that there is something at the other end |
| 20:27.57 | abrotman | Ungy: the ones that have RX packets ? |
| 20:28.01 | raden | is there a way to mirror image the users directory i want to try deleting all the .x files |
| 20:28.13 | raden | SerajewelKS, i think your onto something |
| 20:28.35 | raden | then again i already have this account burnt to a cd incase of system failure as much messin around ive been doing today |
| 20:28.36 | albo | whats difference between sites-enabled sites-available |
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| 20:28.41 | andrewb78 | abrotman: OK, I get the following about eth0 and eth1 (which shouldn't have anything at all, since no cable is plugged in) |
| 20:28.59 | andrewb78 | eth0:brb |
| 20:29.01 | Ungy | abrotman, dunno I have an unconfigured NIC with a cord in it I have another plugged into it configured to eth0 and I have a third that has no plug I am trying to add a different port and route and IP range to the second NIC but not sure which number it is |
| 20:29.02 | andrewb78 | sorry, brb |
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| 20:29.16 | raden | would move .x* .x*-bak change all files 6that started with .x ? |
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| 20:29.31 | blondie|BOFH | try it and see :p |
| 20:29.52 | raden | blondie|BOFH, not exactly something i can be try and see on |
| 20:30.22 | SerajewelKS | misieq: google iptables masquerade |
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| 20:32.00 | SerajewelKS | raden: no it wouldn't |
| 20:32.01 | albo | dpkg: sites-available |
| 20:32.23 | SerajewelKS | raden: better is: mkdir x-files; mv .[Xx]* x-files |
| 20:32.31 | raden | SerajewelKS, gotcha |
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| 20:32.35 | raden | this is nutz |
| 20:32.54 | misieq | SerajewelKS: i already have a fronton to iptables (shorewall) with working configuration (at least it worked on my former linux distro - mandriva). all things seem to work, but for squid - when i type 'google.com' my browser says that i was timed out |
| 20:33.10 | raden | SerajewelKS, im just going to start deleting files and see where we come out |
| 20:33.20 | SerajewelKS | misieq: is ip_forward enabled in your kernel? |
| 20:33.21 | abrotman | Ungy: check the RX/TX |
| 20:33.24 | SerajewelKS | raden: lol |
| 20:33.34 | Ungy | abrotman, hwo do I do that one? |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | ifconfig -a ? |
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| 20:34.24 | Ungy | abrotman, ok I have 4 NIC's on this machine none have RX or TX packets but the configured one |
| 20:34.43 | abrotman | Ungy: oh .. are they different drivers ? |
| 20:34.44 | Orfeous | SerajewelKS: trying that you said now.. |
| 20:34.53 | Ungy | abrotman, some are yes |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | Ungy: maybe ifrename ? |
| 20:35.12 | misieq | SerajewelKS: sysctl -a | grep ip_forward ? yes. |
| 20:35.34 | albo | does anyone use sites-enabled/available |
| 20:35.57 | Ungy | albo yes |
| 20:36.04 | raden | SerajewelKS, any idea what lyxpipe does ? one is called in and one is out ? |
| 20:36.10 | albo | Ungy: whats 000-default . whats 000 mean |
| 20:36.18 | Ungy | abrotman, wierd so there is no real way for me to detect which one is plugged in and which isn't |
| 20:36.55 | abrotman | Ungy: you can see which isn't ... |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | Ungy: does it matter which other one you use ? |
| 20:37.19 | Ungy | albo, dunno where you see that |
| 20:37.22 | JohnnyST | I have a filesystem with lots of small files and I would like to delet them as fast as possible what file system would be recomended for that ext3, resiserfs or some other? |
| 20:37.31 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:37.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 20:37.38 | Ungy | abrotman, I have to drive about 30 minutes away to find out which one it is plugged into |
| 20:37.40 | albo | Ungy: well i think i understand how this works now |
| 20:37.43 | SerajewelKS | raden: what? where did you see lyxpipe? |
| 20:37.44 | abrotman | JohnnyST: the first has some tests .. the second some caveats |
| 20:37.48 | albo | its annoying as heck. shame |
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| 20:37.54 | abrotman | Ungy: oh .. don't do that ! .. it's cold in canada! |
| 20:37.55 | stew | if all you want to do is delete data, reiser might be a fit! :) |
| 20:38.01 | SerajewelKS | misieq: and the other box has the debian one set as the gateway? |
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| 20:38.25 | Orfeous | SerajewelKS: it dont work |
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| 20:38.35 | Ungy | albo, how is it annoying as heck all you have to do is a2ensite file or a2dissite file to add and remove sites |
| 20:38.50 | Ungy | abrotman, I am trying to save myself a trip |
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| 20:39.23 | misieq | SerajewelKS: i think i've already found out what's going on... i think the ip masquerading has actually not been turned on as when i typed few lines from some online tutorial it started to work |
| 20:39.27 | Ungy | abrotman, I wouldn't have to do this BS if my ISP would have had the damned IP block ready for me on Tuesday when i went in the first place |
| 20:39.32 | JohnnyST | stew: well ext3 seems a bit slow to delet a large number of files... |
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| 20:39.37 | guyzmo | hi |
| 20:39.43 | raden | SerajewelKS, in user directory |
| 20:39.48 | misieq | SerajewelKS: i think i'll have to alter some shorewall rules |
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| 20:40.21 | albo | Ungy:because i run 1.3 and there is none of this mess to deal with |
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| 20:40.26 | stew | JohnnyST: honest reiser might be the fastest for that type of thing, but it has such a bad track record for reliability that I wouldn't recommend it |
| 20:40.50 | SlayerXP | the best thing about reiserfs is that it ensures your backup strategy is optimal |
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| 20:40.58 | JohnnyST | stew: Well I think I will try reiser then.. |
| 20:41.20 | Orfeous | can someone else help me? |
| 20:41.21 | Ungy | albo, it is actually easy I find all of the sites have there own setup files making it easier to manage of course if you only have one site it is a bit annoying but not that bad considering all the tools provided to make it even easier |
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| 20:41.34 | Orfeous | GRUB does not start correctly |
| 20:41.45 | Orfeous | it just says GRUB with cursor blinking |
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| 20:42.00 | john_doe | I'm on sarge but I want samba-3.0.20 because of a bug in the stable 3.0.14. I edited sources.list to testing and now I can get it. If I regret, can I then just change it back to stable and do "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 20:42.21 | SlayerXP | john: "maybe" |
| 20:42.28 | SlayerXP | john_doe: : "maybe" |
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| 20:42.35 | stew | john_doe: no, don't mix stable and testing |
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| 20:42.44 | stew | john_doe: /msg dpkg downgrade ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:42.56 | SlayerXP | john_doe: it's not worth the risk of finding out, though |
| 20:43.07 | john_doe | stew: thank you |
| 20:43.15 | raden | SerajewelKS, lets not get into proper way to fix SUSE issues :( |
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| 20:43.23 | Ungy | SlayerXP, were yo the one that stole my crack pipe? |
| 20:43.30 | john_doe | SlayerXP: ok, and then especially not for me. I'm new to debian. |
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| 20:43.36 | Orfeous | ah...i must map my windows disc :) |
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| 20:43.47 | SlayerXP | john_doe: i wouldn't do it, and i've been using debian for about 7 years :) |
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| 20:44.09 | SerajewelKS | raden: what, install debian? =) |
| 20:44.10 | Orfeous | "The "map" lines under the Windows 98 section are essential for getting your installation to work. These are the magical lines that trick Windows into believing that it's installed on the first partition of the first disk. If you don't map the Windows partition to (hd0,0), Windows will destroy your partition table and you won't be able to boot anything." |
| 20:44.25 | raden1 | SerajewelKS, no delete files one by one :) |
| 20:44.28 | john_doe | SlayerXP: I take your advice for good then. I will just wait for samba-3.0.20 to get stable. |
| 20:44.30 | raden1 | im on the jon account |
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| 20:44.42 | raden1 | noe if i can get our accounting info |
| 20:44.43 | stew | john_doe: that will be sometime in 2007 hopefully |
| 20:44.46 | SerajewelKS | raden1: well... you can try that =) |
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| 20:44.50 | stew | john_doe: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:44.56 | Ungy | stew I heard 2008 |
| 20:44.58 | raden1 | SerajewelKS, it worked im logged in as jon |
| 20:45.06 | jade | on the server side, which web browser would you install? |
| 20:45.10 | john_doe | stew: thanx |
| 20:45.18 | raden1 | SerajewelKS, thanks for all the help :) it was either a .x file or a lynx pipe |
| 20:45.20 | stew | Ungy: the currently plan is for end of 2006 (which is why i'm guessing 2007 sometime) |
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| 20:45.38 | Ungy | stew yeah but when was original plan for Sarge? |
| 20:45.45 | stew | yeah |
| 20:45.55 | SerajewelKS | raden1: nice |
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| 20:47.48 | Catch`CoNdA | Hey, I still experience no sound. It seems that my card is found, alsamixer works and is unmuted. But still I hear nothing |
| 20:48.10 | raden1 | SerajewelKS, i really appreciate the help able to save all accounting files and all company passwords :) thanks a ton |
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| 20:49.19 | Catch`CoNdA | SB live! 5.1 :> |
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| 20:49.32 | SerajewelKS | raden1: np |
| 20:49.46 | SerajewelKS | raden1: i accept paypal and credit cards =) |
| 20:49.57 | SerajewelKS | raden1: kidding of course.. kinda |
| 20:49.58 | raden1 | :D |
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| 20:50.09 | Bertram | hi. I'm looking for pere. Did anyone see him ? |
| 20:50.14 | raden1 | SerajewelKS, if i ever strike it rich or get a bonus ill rember yeah :) |
| 20:50.20 | SerajewelKS | raden1: lol thanks |
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| 20:50.22 | bucky | !seen pere |
| 20:50.23 | dpkg | pere <i=foobar@diskless.uio.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 72d 10h 56m 19s ago, saying: 'omnibike: sorry, I am not a DNS guru. I'm not sure.'. |
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| 20:51.02 | Bertram | ok |
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| 20:51.36 | row | is there a way to save my routing table, so I don't need to run route cmds everytime networking restarts for example? |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | Ungy: get it ? |
| 20:51.47 | cr3 | my laptop keeps beeping every 5 minutes and it's very annoying, should I just chuck Debian and reinstall Windows? |
| 20:51.48 | john_doe | so it's not very likely that samba-3.0.20 will be stable soon? |
| 20:51.58 | abrotman | row: look in /etc/networking/ |
| 20:52.12 | abrotman | !info samba sarge |
| 20:52.18 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.14a-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2463 kB, Installed size: 6392 kB |
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| 20:52.34 | abrotman | john_doe: it most likely never will be .. |
| 20:52.35 | SerajewelKS | cr3: you could also figure out why it's beeping |
| 20:52.57 | john_doe | abrotman: that is bad news for me! |
| 20:53.15 | cr3 | sera: no I couldn't, but someone else could probably help |
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| 20:53.36 | cr3 | sera: but why should I bother someone else when I could just do it myself under Windows? |
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| 20:54.11 | cr3 | sera: I have enjoyed my foray into Debian for a while but one problems just seems to lead to other problems. |
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| 20:54.36 | john_doe | so then I should wait for a backport. that is likely to come, isn't it? |
| 20:54.42 | bucky | john_doe: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:54.58 | cr3 | sera: eventually, I would like the computer to work for me instead of the other way around. |
| 20:55.11 | BlackJudas` | Is there any sane way I can forward a current login on a tty to my ssh session? :/ |
| 20:55.17 | john_doe | # apt-get build-dep samba |
| 20:55.17 | john_doe | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:55.17 | john_doe | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:55.17 | john_doe | E: Build-Depends dependency for samba cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 20:56.05 | BlackJudas` | What channel would you recommend for discussions/help on gigabit and linux? |
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| 20:56.12 | cr3 | sera: now my terminal is all screwed up so I need to close everything. brb |
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| 20:56.19 | andrewb78 | thanks for all your help so far -- I have to go but will return another time. |
| 20:56.25 | john_doe | sorry for flooding |
| 20:56.39 | abrotman | john_doe: why is that bad news ? |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | BlackJudas`: help how ? |
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| 20:57.05 | john_doe | abrotman: because the stable version has a bug |
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| 20:57.28 | abrotman | bug ? |
| 20:57.37 | bucky | john_doe: that's after editing you sources.list as above? |
| 20:57.48 | BlackJudas` | abrotman: I've heard to gain gigabit speeds via linux, you need to poke around with sysctl. Just questions regarding the best setup for my current hardware. |
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| 20:58.02 | john_doe | bucky: as above? |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | BlackJudas`: oh .. probably ##linux .. or maybe #kernel ? |
| 20:58.24 | bucky | john_doe: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:58.27 | cr3 | there, I'm back with a fresh terminal |
| 20:58.43 | BlackJudas` | abrotman: thanks, will try. |
| 20:58.53 | Orfeous | need help with grub mapping drives |
| 20:59.10 | cr3 | the laptop beeps again! how excrutiatingly annoying |
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| 20:59.25 | BlackJudas` | cr3: low battery? |
| 20:59.27 | john_doe | bucky: yes, I get the error that "no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements" |
| 20:59.36 | Chris1 | what linux distro is best? |
| 21:00.01 | cr3 | black: I don't know. I tried tailing a few files under /var/log and I'm not seeing anything: messages, auth.log, dmesg. |
| 21:00.12 | cr3 | black: is there a way to not make it a guessing game? |
| 21:00.12 | john_doe | bucky: and that's actually after backporting and installing a dpkg-dev that satisfy the requirement! |
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| 21:00.24 | bucky | john_doe: btw if you're having problems with passwds and windows make sure change encrypt_passwd= true to yes in smb.cnf and not true |
| 21:00.39 | oklinux | what is x recofig command ? |
| 21:00.44 | bucky | john_doe: you really haven't told us what your problem is |
| 21:00.52 | cr3 | oklinux: I asked that a couple days ago, isn't it obvious? |
| 21:01.03 | oklinux | what is it ? |
| 21:01.35 | bucky | what's specifically wrong with samba 3.0.14 |
| 21:01.40 | cr3 | oklinux: when I asked the question in the channel, I was given the impression I was a total idiot for not knowing. |
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| 21:02.02 | oklinux | is base-config something like that |
| 21:02.03 | john_doe | bucky: my problem is http://www.stillhq.com/samba/ |
| 21:02.28 | john_doe | bucky: samba-3.0.14 can't handle osx clients |
| 21:02.36 | cr3 | oklinux: dpkg-reconfigure [something I can't fucken copy and paste for you] |
| 21:02.41 | john_doe | that's why I need 3.0.20. |
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| 21:02.57 | cr3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.59 | bucky | john_doe: so you're on mac |
| 21:03.07 | cr3 | that's what I get when attempting to copy, isn't that beautiful? |
| 21:03.27 | john_doe | bucky: Some of the clients to my debian/x86 are |
| 21:03.35 | bucky | ic |
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| 21:03.52 | john_doe | bucky: with linux and windows there is no problem |
| 21:03.58 | cr3 | this is a big waste of time, now I need to restart everything so that copy and paste can work again. |
| 21:04.00 | oklinux | cr3 do you have a problem ? |
| 21:04.00 | dondelelcaro | john_doe: get a backport of samba to stable then. |
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| 21:04.05 | john_doe | bucky: ...as clients |
| 21:04.07 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 21:04.17 | elvirolo | is anyone using initng here ? |
| 21:04.30 | john_doe | dondelelcaro: I try to find one. But I can't. |
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| 21:04.49 | cr3 | oklinux: not for long, I'm about to reinstall windows and I won't have to log onto irc anymore to get help on things like reconfigure X or copynig and pasting |
| 21:04.53 | dondelelcaro | john_doe: there may not be one; making one is fairly trivial. |
| 21:04.59 | scuffe | can anyone tell me if there is anything special that i need to do other that apt-get for apache, php, and mysql to get a working dev-enviroment on my laptop? |
| 21:05.03 | abrotman | !tell john_doe about simple sid backport |
| 21:05.07 | abrotman | john_doe: what bug is this ? |
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| 21:05.27 | dondelelcaro | scuffe: you'll need php4-mysql or similar. |
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| 21:05.39 | cr3 | oklinux: it's really easy to reconfigure the display on Windows, you simply go into the control panel and select from drop down menus. sure beats putsing around with /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:05.45 | oklinux | cr3 goodluck with removing viruses |
| 21:06.00 | gabriel | scuffe: What exactly do you want to configure |
| 21:06.11 | scuffe | i have php-4mysql |
| 21:06.16 | cr3 | oklinux: adaware, hijackthis and search&destroy. that's all you really need to keep your system clean. |
| 21:06.33 | john_doe | abrotman: I'm trying to tell you that I get an error that there are no available versions of dpkg-dev that satisfy requirements for backporting samba. |
| 21:06.43 | bucky | john_doe: http://lists.backports.org/pipermail/backports/2005-October/001657.html |
| 21:06.45 | Bertram | cr3: are you truly on the good channel ? |
| 21:07.13 | bucky | john_doe: there's a backport right from samba.org |
| 21:07.14 | Bertram | --> #pro-windows |
| 21:07.20 | cr3 | Bertram: know of a better channel where I have a hope of giving Debian a chance? |
| 21:07.28 | Bertram | lol |
| 21:07.29 | Bertram | ok |
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| 21:07.45 | oklinux | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg cr3 |
| 21:07.55 | scuffe | i'm trying to setup CREloaded and i keep getting an error saying undefined function: mysql_connect() i tried php-nuke and all i get after setting up the config and the database is a blank page |
| 21:08.05 | Bertram | cr3: But once again, what is exactly your problem ? |
| 21:08.09 | bucky | oklinux: is he running xorg? |
| 21:08.22 | bucky | he said /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:08.22 | cr3 | Bertram: I have tried to give Bertram a chance but I keep having to bother people for help, and I now see I'm no different from other people like oklinux trying to reconfigure X. is there no end to this constant leeching for answers? |
| 21:08.49 | bucky | cr3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if you're running sarge |
| 21:09.01 | john_doe | bucky: That was just what I needed! thank you so much! |
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| 21:09.19 | cr3 | aha! another person that needed that obscure command |
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| 21:09.22 | zardinuk | anybody managed to install oracle xe? |
| 21:09.28 | Bertram | cr3: that's life's meaning in general |
| 21:09.34 | Orfeous | damn grub!!! |
| 21:09.46 | bucky | cr3: if you edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand then you need to /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 21:10.01 | Bertram | cr3: Which is your version of Debian, what graphic card do you have ? |
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| 21:10.05 | john_doe | abrotman: and thank you for your patience |
| 21:10.18 | cr3 | Bertram: is it really? I didn't have nearly as many problems on Windows and I never needed to annoy people online to get help. |
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| 21:10.43 | cr3 | Bertram: my latest problem is that my computer is beeping every 5 minutes, more or less. |
| 21:11.02 | Bertram | cr3: Do you know why ? more or less ? |
| 21:11.03 | cr3 | Bertram: I tried tailing a few files under /var/log and I'm not seeing any error messages: messages, auth.log, dmesg. |
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| 21:11.08 | oklinux | overheat ? |
| 21:11.17 | Bertram | oklinux: laybe |
| 21:11.21 | Bertram | maybe* |
| 21:11.50 | oklinux | check cpu fan ? |
| 21:11.51 | cr3 | oklinux: works fine under Windows, I sure wish I didn't have to guess the problem and Linux could report somekind of driver error |
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| 21:12.05 | markl__ | is there a channel for debian ia64 issues? trying to install on a dell 1850 |
| 21:12.25 | oklinux | where is the beep come from ? |
| 21:12.34 | Bertram | cr3: Do you have that kind of problem while playing a 3d game under win ? |
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| 21:12.38 | cr3 | oklinux: there has to be an empirical way to get to the root of the problem |
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| 21:12.43 | bucky | cr3: what does /var/log/XFree.0.log say? |
| 21:12.52 | oklinux | overheat ?? |
| 21:12.55 | cr3 | Bertram: I don't play games, I wouldn't know. |
| 21:13.10 | abrotman | john_doe: is the bug at bugs.debian.org ? |
| 21:13.12 | abrotman | !info samba sid |
| 21:13.18 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.20b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2456 kB, Installed size: 6336 kB |
| 21:13.23 | john_doe | abrotman: dont |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | don't ? |
| 21:13.28 | cr3 | bucky: I added that file to my tail, I'll let you know next time my computer beeps |
| 21:13.33 | Catch`CoNdA | Can someone assist me? I have no sound. I run Debian Sarge/stable on 2.6.8-2 I have alsa and alsamixer is unmuted. But still; there is no sound. |
| 21:13.38 | john_doe | abrotman: sorry, I don't know. I will check |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: are you in the audio group ? |
| 21:13.54 | abrotman | !info samba3 sid |
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| 21:13.56 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 21:14.01 | abrotman | !info samba experimental |
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| 21:14.45 | Catch`CoNdA | abrotan: what? |
| 21:14.59 | cr3 | beep! |
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| 21:15.06 | cr3 | bucky: nothing under XFree.0.log either |
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| 21:15.57 | cr3 | I ran ls -lt to see the latest files modified under /var/log and now tailing syslog, kern.log and debug |
| 21:16.31 | Annirak | Is it possible to install a minimalistic debian on the Tungsten T5? ( 416MHz XScale, 32MB RAM, 64MB Flash 160 MB Disk-On-Chip) |
| 21:16.36 | Catch`CoNdA | seriously! can someone help me, im lost here! ive been googling all day..:( |
| 21:17.05 | oklinux | cr3 how long did you ran debian ? |
| 21:17.06 | dondelelcaro | Annirak: debian will fit in 160M |
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| 21:17.27 | Bertram | Catch`CoNdA: What is your hardware ? Have you tried logging i root ? Have your user the right to get sound ? Have you got a /dev/dsp |
| 21:17.29 | Bertram | ? |
| 21:17.43 | cr3 | oklinux: is there a file that might hold the timestamp of my installation? |
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| 21:18.06 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: is your user in the audio group .. does sound work for root ? |
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| 21:18.16 | oklinux | cr3 how many day ? |
| 21:18.17 | Annirak | dondelelcaro is that with graphics or without? |
| 21:18.17 | Catch`CoNdA | bertram: It is a SB Live! 5.1 card. Yeah I have been using root, does each user require rights to use sound? tell me more |
| 21:18.24 | cr3 | oklinux: I think redhat (or fedora) would have /etc/redhat-release which is touched during installation, anything equivalent for debian? by the way, I have only briefly used redhat and don't care much for that distro either. |
| 21:18.25 | Bertram | yes |
| 21:18.34 | Catch`CoNdA | I do not have /dev/dsp/ |
| 21:18.41 | dondelelcaro | Annirak: I've no idea what you mean; yes, you can fit X there if you squeeze. |
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| 21:18.53 | cr3 | oklinux: more like months, and few are the days which haven't had a pending linux related problem |
| 21:19.00 | oklinux | cr3 have you try mepis ? |
| 21:19.02 | Bertram | Catch`CoNdA: Create it. I'll give the command if you want |
| 21:19.09 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: modprobe snd-pcm-oss to get /dev/dsp |
| 21:19.11 | dondelelcaro | cr3: /etc/debian_version generally; but that can change if you upgrade. |
| 21:19.13 | cr3 | oklinux: nope, what is it? |
| 21:19.15 | Annirak | dondelelcaro I meant X. By Graphics, I meant GUI. |
| 21:19.15 | peritus_ | why does not debian clean ifstate on boot instead on shutdown? this causes ifupdown init.d script to HANG and stop the boot up process. my machines have crashed a couple of times, and it has been problems with that everytime. i could symlink ifupdown cleaning before ifupdown in the boot-prcess.. but WHY is not that default? |
| 21:19.23 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 21:19.38 | xim | Catch`CoNdA, look at /dev/sndstat to see if you have many soundcards detected |
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| 21:19.47 | oklinux | www.mepis.org cr3 |
| 21:19.51 | peritus_ | (why does debian clean ifstate on shutdown instead of boot?)* |
| 21:19.58 | Bertram | Catch`CoNdA: Hav you got a /dev/dsp0 ? |
| 21:19.59 | HyperZid | hi.. how do I get a Promise SATAII150 TX4 card working.. with debian sarge, 2.6.8-2 default kernel? |
| 21:20.09 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: "adduser username audio" to give someone rights to use the soundcards |
| 21:20.12 | tchino | hello my xserver not started automatically |
| 21:20.15 | xim | HyperZid, it won't work with this kernel |
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| 21:20.20 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: /msg dpkg audio |
| 21:20.21 | dondelelcaro | peritus_: because that's when it should be done. Nowdays, the cleaning doesn't matter, since it should be on a devshm anyway. |
| 21:20.44 | peritus_ | dondelelcaro: should ifstate be on a devshm? |
| 21:20.44 | HyperZid | xim, so I just need to compile my own.. or can I install another kernel with apt-get? |
| 21:20.46 | Catch`CoNdA | Yeah I was already a member of the audio group, /etc/modules and /dev/sndstat does not exist |
| 21:21.11 | xim | HyperZid, you need to compile your own. I would suggest using make-kpkg to do so. |
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| 21:21.20 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: /etc/modules really should be there |
| 21:21.30 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: are you really on debian? |
| 21:21.35 | Bertram | lol |
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| 21:21.46 | cr3 | aha! the problem is the wireless network trying to kick in while I'm wireful. beautiful. |
| 21:21.57 | HyperZid | xim, yeap.. i've done that long time ago.. you dont remember/got the whole phrase for installing a kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 21:22.09 | tchino | it comes the message $DISPLAY is not set |
| 21:22.12 | Catch`CoNdA | ls |
| 21:22.16 | Bertram | cr3: Well, it's all right then |
| 21:22.19 | bucky | cr3: while your wireful ? |
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| 21:22.39 | Catch`CoNdA | oh yeah, I though it was a directory :P |
| 21:22.41 | loxley_ | HyperZid: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=blabla kernel_image |
| 21:23.18 | Catch`CoNdA | yeah I have it, ill add the stuff you told me to. Should I rehash it with some cmd? |
| 21:23.26 | HyperZid | loxley_, I meant.. whole line.. with download trough apt-get... installing.. ++++ |
| 21:23.59 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: just "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and you should have /dev/dsp, adding it to /etc/modules just makes sure it happens at next boot automatically |
| 21:24.21 | Catch`CoNdA | alrite, super |
| 21:24.25 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: did you logout/in after making yourself part of that group? .. does sound work for root ? |
| 21:24.42 | xim | HyperZid, you meant for compiling (installing it is: dpkg -i <path/to/kernel.deb>)? |
| 21:24.48 | Catch`CoNdA | abrotman: I was already member of that group, but I can try now.. after I did that modprode thingy |
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| 21:25.01 | tchino | hello |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: DOES SOUND WORK FOR ROOT ? |
| 21:25.16 | Bertram | tchino : re |
| 21:25.21 | stew | abrotman: it wasn't before becuase he was using an oss app with no /dev/dsp |
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| 21:25.48 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 21:25.54 | tchino | Bertram: my kde start not more, after i upgrade my debian |
| 21:25.59 | oklinux | hey stew |
| 21:26.20 | Bertram | tchino : Do you simply still have kdm or xdm installed and configured ? |
| 21:26.39 | HyperZid | xim, and its just to apt-get the 2.6.x source? |
| 21:26.41 | stew | hi? |
| 21:26.50 | abrotman | hi stew! |
| 21:26.51 | bucky | haha |
| 21:26.55 | tchino | Bertram: before it goes well, how can set kdm |
| 21:26.58 | Catch`CoNdA | abrotman: How Do I check that, can I run xmms from su(so it appears in my session?) |
| 21:27.08 | xim | HyperZid, you won't get a newer version of the kernel source using apt-get |
| 21:27.10 | Bertram | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 21:27.13 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: did you do what stew said about the module ? |
| 21:27.32 | fly_80 | if i want to enable cpu frequency scaling on my laptot should I have to recompile the kernel ? or the image of 2.6.12-1-386 is already ok ? |
| 21:27.33 | Bertram | tchino : Did you get from xfree86 to xorg ? |
| 21:27.39 | Catch`CoNdA | Yeah, I did "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and I added the module to load at boot |
| 21:27.44 | HyperZid | xim, ok.. then i'll download the source myself.. |
| 21:27.44 | tchino | Bertram: no |
| 21:27.45 | xim | HyperZid, you should get your kernel to a kernel.org mirror or something. |
| 21:27.46 | cr3 | Bertram: it might be alright to have my wireless driver beep all the time but it should be quiet considering it is all commented out under /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:27.46 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: does /dev/dsp exist now? do you hear static when you "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp" ? |
| 21:27.49 | Catch`CoNdA | I do have /dev/dsp now |
| 21:27.54 | HyperZid | xim, ok.. thanks:) |
| 21:28.14 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: ctrl-c to stop that static or lack of, btw |
| 21:28.16 | xim | HyperZid, you do "make menuconfig", then run make-pkpg to get a kernel image package |
| 21:28.29 | Catch`CoNdA | No, I dont hear any static |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: are the levels up in the mixer ? |
| 21:28.50 | cr3 | Bertram: I also like having to call ifdown eth0 and still see it as UP in the ifconfig eth0 output, really makes me feel the system gives a crap about the commands I type |
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| 21:29.03 | HyperZid | xim, yeah.. I remember that command |
| 21:29.07 | sglufbra | im boreddd |
| 21:29.12 | sglufbra | so heyy ! |
| 21:29.14 | Catch`CoNdA | hmm |
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| 21:29.26 | loxley_ | HyperZid: or even, copy your working config into new kernel and 'make oldconfig' before.. |
| 21:29.28 | stew | sglufbra: /join #debian-bugs and see how you can help the project |
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| 21:29.37 | Catch`CoNdA | alsamixer havent found my creative card, it seems to have found some built in stuff from my mb |
| 21:29.39 | sglufbra | wots debian ??? |
| 21:29.48 | xim | HyperZid, my make-kpkg line is "fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=-1 kernel_image" |
| 21:29.49 | abrotman | !tell sglufbra about debian |
| 21:29.59 | abrotman | !tell sglufbra about grounding |
| 21:30.09 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: what about alsamixer -c1 |
| 21:30.24 | tchino | Bertram: when i do startx, i get the message: fatal server error: failed to inialize core devices |
| 21:30.25 | Bertram | alsaconf too maybe |
| 21:30.31 | cr3 | oh, alsa is loads of fun too! |
| 21:30.47 | HyperZid | xim, ok.. but what does fakeroot mean.. I remember I did it without that last time I did it |
| 21:30.47 | Bertram | tchino : apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 21:31.19 | Bertram | fakeroot simules a command as root |
| 21:31.23 | Catch`CoNdA | alsamixer -cl wrong -c argument 'l' |
| 21:31.35 | xim | HyperZid, i don't remember why i needed it ;) |
| 21:31.37 | abrotman | that's a 1 .. not an EL |
| 21:31.39 | stew | tchino: modprobe mousedev |
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| 21:32.00 | HyperZid | xim, atleast: fakeroot - Gives a fake root environment |
| 21:32.11 | tchino | Bertram: but why must i do that |
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| 21:32.26 | stew | tchino: you dont' have to install x-window-system, you already have it |
| 21:32.36 | stew | tchino: you are on testing? |
| 21:32.50 | tchino | stew: yes |
| 21:32.50 | Bertram | tchino : x-window-system is the core package of the X system if I'm not wrong |
| 21:32.56 | xim | HyperZid, i already know about what it does, i just don't remember why i put it there |
| 21:33.02 | stew | tchino: try modprobe mousedev and startx again |
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| 21:33.20 | stew | Bertram: he clearly already has an x-server since its complaining about missing core devices |
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| 21:33.33 | loxley_ | Bertram: nahh thats x-window-system-core |
| 21:33.43 | bucky | but who's counting? |
| 21:33.46 | jair_11 | guys I did an image of a linux and windows dual boot, but I was not sure if all I have to change was the /etc/hostname the /etc/hosts and then reboot. |
| 21:33.48 | Bertram | stew: Ok. But how do you know about mousedev ? |
| 21:33.50 | HyperZid | xim, okok |
| 21:33.52 | Catch`CoNdA | now I think it is working! |
| 21:33.59 | Bertram | loxley_: Yes, sorry |
| 21:34.01 | tchino | stew: but i get the message: no core keyboard |
| 21:34.08 | jair_11 | because that is what will chnage the names in a the other computer that was imaged and copied |
| 21:34.08 | Catch`CoNdA | YEAH! :D |
| 21:34.08 | StDangney | hi jst wondering if anyone is having problem of installing a usb laserprinter with kubuntu brezzy? |
| 21:34.21 | stew | StDangney: #kubuntu |
| 21:34.29 | bucky | StDangney: prolly alot of people in #ubuntu are |
| 21:34.34 | stew | tchino: usb keyboard? |
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| 21:34.38 | jair_11 | so now I have a lab of 15 dual boot machines, using windows xp pro and debian sarge stable |
| 21:34.39 | Catch`CoNdA | stew, bartrom. after running alsaconfig; selecting the right card, it worked |
| 21:34.48 | Catch`CoNdA | there the sound goes! |
| 21:34.52 | StDangney | is that so... |
| 21:34.54 | jair_11 | but I want to be sure that I have everything good |
| 21:34.57 | Bertram | Catch`CoNdA: great |
| 21:34.58 | StDangney | so not jst me then... :) |
| 21:35.05 | Catch`CoNdA | noobie : 1 - X : 0 |
| 21:35.11 | bucky | StDangney: ask the people who use that distro |
| 21:35.24 | jair_11 | it is anything else I need to change, to avoid conflicts like "repeated name" in the network or something like that? |
| 21:35.29 | StDangney | ok... cheers for the reply anyway... |
| 21:35.33 | bucky | anyone using kbuntu in here : |
| 21:35.41 | tchino | stew: no, i have only distupgrade my system, before i had kde3.4.1 on my debian testing |
| 21:35.43 | jair_11 | abrotman, hello how are you doing? |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | i'm at work .. how do you thikn! |
| 21:35.55 | abrotman | !stab the boss |
| 21:35.58 | bucky | guess not |
| 21:35.59 | loxley_ | haha |
| 21:36.09 | StDangney | bucky, i do use both debian (laptop) and kubuntu (desktop) |
| 21:36.09 | jair_11 | abrotman, hahaha |
| 21:36.11 | citral | bucky: --> #ubuntu |
| 21:36.16 | tchino | stew: ps2-keyboard, usb-mouse |
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| 21:36.17 | bucky | see |
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| 21:36.18 | jair_11 | abrotman, are you in Germany? |
| 21:36.23 | jair_11 | abrotman, or US? |
| 21:36.25 | abrotman | citral: #kubuntu exists |
| 21:36.29 | abrotman | jair_11: near philly |
| 21:36.30 | citral | pareil |
| 21:36.34 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok |
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| 21:36.51 | jair_11 | abrotman, look I did an image of a machine "linux and windows dual boot" |
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| 21:37.36 | tchino | stew: you are gere |
| 21:37.38 | fas3r | re all |
| 21:37.38 | jair_11 | abrotman, so now I have 15 of them but to avoid the error of repeated name host name in the network what I should change in the linux machine? /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts that is it |
| 21:37.41 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 21:37.56 | abrotman | jair_11: sounds about right |
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| 21:38.21 | jair_11 | abrotman, also I have this situation I want to let the instructors be able to reboot the machines but without give them the root password??? |
| 21:38.39 | jair_11 | abrotman, someone told me that I can give then the command sudo? |
| 21:38.51 | jair_11 | abrotman, but sudo can not do any other change right? |
| 21:39.05 | jair_11 | I do not want to give access to the instructors to many other things |
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| 21:39.20 | abrotman | jair_11: or shutdown.allow may work |
| 21:39.22 | tchino | stew: is that right, that X has a link on /usr/bin/X11/Xorg |
| 21:39.23 | fas3r | the command emerge for gentoo, the equivalent for dbian it's apt-get no? |
| 21:39.30 | abrotman | jair_11: are you using gdm or kdm ? |
| 21:39.35 | abrotman | fas3r: yes .. man apt-get |
| 21:39.36 | jair_11 | abrotman, gdm |
| 21:39.47 | abrotman | jair_11: you can configure gdm to allow *anyone* to reboot them |
| 21:40.03 | fas3r | man it's just i have a how-to for gentoo, and i just want to know if i have reason? |
| 21:40.03 | jair_11 | abrotman, what is that a command or a file or what?---> shutdown.allow may work |
| 21:40.08 | da9000 | hi guys, i just did apt-get install linux-2.6.12-1-686, but when I try to do make, i get: No rule to make target `scripts/basic/Makefile` ..any ideas? |
| 21:40.16 | abrotman | jair_11: erm .. /etc/shutdown.allow .. i think |
| 21:40.21 | abrotman | fas3r: ? |
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| 21:40.27 | jair_11 | abrotman, ohh I will check both then |
| 21:40.29 | abrotman | fas3r: reason for what ? |
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| 21:40.39 | tchino | Bertram: where get the link from your /etc/X11/X |
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| 21:40.54 | jair_11 | abrotman, perfect I will check the gdm and the line you show me cool, thank you guruji |
| 21:40.56 | jair_11 | :) |
| 21:41.01 | fas3r | for know if emerge => it's apt-get for debian ;) |
| 21:41.13 | abrotman | fas3r: /msg dpkg grounding .. the refcard link may help you |
| 21:41.23 | loxley_ | da9000: ?? |
| 21:41.28 | abrotman | jair_11: the option i said for gdm let's *everyone* reboot/shutdown the machine |
| 21:41.33 | da9000 | loxley_: ?? |
| 21:41.39 | abrotman | da9000: what did you install ? |
| 21:41.46 | fas3r | ok thank abrotman ;) |
| 21:42.21 | slowhand | hi guys, anyone know how to delete any remaining files/dirs after a make uninstall? |
| 21:42.38 | da9000 | abrotman: ok, i see my stupidity |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | are you sure ? |
| 21:42.51 | da9000 | yes :) |
| 21:42.57 | da9000 | no kernel sources installed |
| 21:43.01 | tchino | hello my xserver don't start now |
| 21:43.07 | da9000 | i thought the headers are enough to compile the driver i wanna compile (wifi) |
| 21:43.14 | abrotman | da9000: which wifi ? |
| 21:43.21 | da9000 | abrotman: r8180 |
| 21:43.21 | Bertram | tchino: Your link to X ? What do you mean ? |
| 21:43.28 | abrotman | da9000: erm .. i know nothing |
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| 21:43.33 | PDani_ | hi |
| 21:43.37 | fly_80 | if i want to enable cpu frequency scaling on my laptot should I have to recompile the kernel ? or the image of 2.6.12-1-386 is already ok ? |
| 21:43.44 | da9000 | let me look into it |
| 21:43.47 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 21:43.47 | dpkg | cpufreq is, like, a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 21:43.59 | PDani_ | which is that program, that i can use to search unused lib packages? |
| 21:44.18 | loxley_ | PDani_: deborphan |
| 21:44.48 | abrotman | it also does normal packages if you read the man page |
| 21:45.16 | fas3r | anybody have an laptop here? |
| 21:45.58 | fly_80 | abrotman, ok , should i see the /usr/src/linux/.config to find if cpufreq is enablet in the current kernel image ? |
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| 21:47.14 | jair_11 | abrotman, i do not think that that option exist in the gdm manager??? |
| 21:47.16 | tchino | can someone help me find the error of not starting x |
| 21:47.21 | jair_11 | I am cheking right now |
| 21:47.27 | marstewel | tchino: what error ? |
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| 21:48.07 | tchino | marstewel: what link do you have from /etc/X11/X |
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| 21:48.38 | fas3r | it's just for know if it's possible i edit the files /proc/bus/input/devices ? |
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| 21:49.12 | marstewel | tchino: I dont have X11 running :D |
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| 21:49.19 | Bertram | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-07-12 22:55 X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg |
| 21:49.40 | POVaddct | fas3r: you cannot edit proc files |
| 21:49.55 | tchino | marstewel: Skipping "usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o" No symbol found is the error |
| 21:50.00 | marstewel | fas3r: you can echo values in "files" in proc, but they are lost upon reboot |
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| 21:50.08 | abrotman | jair_11: nope .. it's in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 21:50.10 | fas3r | because i have a touchpad and for the value handler i have handler=kdb event0 .... |
| 21:50.22 | fas3r | but kdb it's not for keyboard? |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | fly_80: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:50.27 | marstewel | fas3r: you can make use of /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 21:51.03 | tchino | marstewel: what is wrong with my xserver, befor upgrade it goes well |
| 21:51.16 | marstewel | tchino: are you on testing or sid ? |
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| 21:51.28 | tchino | marstewel: testing |
| 21:51.35 | Bertram | tchino: Have you got the x-window-system-core package installed ? |
| 21:51.52 | Chris1 | does anyone understand /sbin/ldconfig properly? |
| 21:52.02 | marstewel | Chris1: what do you want to know about it ? |
| 21:52.25 | tchino | Bertram: why i must install it |
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| 21:52.43 | Bertram | tchino: As for me, X doesn't run without it |
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| 21:53.02 | marstewel | !x11 |
| 21:53.03 | dpkg | x11 is, like, a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 21:53.05 | fly_80 | so the current kernel is ready to enable cpu frequency scaling? i found CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y |
| 21:53.07 | tchino | Bertram: is installed |
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| 21:53.24 | marstewel | Chris1: what do you want to know about it ? |
| 21:53.34 | Chris1 | why it doesnt load all the libries it is suposed to in /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 21:53.46 | Bertram | tchino : Did you simply reconfigure it ? |
| 21:53.47 | tchino | Bertram: and now |
| 21:53.49 | POVaddct | Chris1: run ldconfig? |
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| 21:54.02 | marstewel | Chris1: ldconfig -p says what ? |
| 21:54.04 | Bertram | like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 21:54.09 | loxley_ | tchino: were you using the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:54.09 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok I will check that thank you |
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| 21:54.14 | Chris1 | like when i compile a new version of openssl, and run ldconfig it doesnt show the latest ones |
| 21:54.26 | Bertram | loxley_: true. That can be that. |
| 21:54.26 | fas3r | marstewel, i don't understand ;... |
| 21:54.30 | Chris1 | -p still shows the old versions |
| 21:54.44 | loxley_ | tchino: if so, recompile them |
| 21:54.44 | jair_11 | abrotman, so what do you think about the other changes to avoid repeated machines on the network with the linux machines I imaged? |
| 21:54.53 | ecliptik | I should probably know this but what exactly does adding "2>&1" after a command do? And why do I only see it on cronjobs most of the time? |
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| 21:54.57 | tchino | Bertram: how can i reconfigure my x-window-system |
| 21:54.58 | marstewel | Chris1: which directory are you installing the new version of openssl in ? |
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| 21:55.19 | Bertram | tchino : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:55.26 | spity | do you know a way how to configure a fallback configuration in /etc/network/interfaces? say if dhcp fails, set a static IP |
| 21:55.29 | fevoldj2 | hi |
| 21:55.35 | fevoldj2 | I'm getting an error at bootup.. |
| 21:55.35 | fevoldj2 | infinity1: cannot execute "/sbin/getty" |
| 21:55.43 | Bertram | tchino: Your kernel version ? Your glx driver used ? |
| 21:55.47 | marstewel | ecliptik: stderr to stdout |
| 21:55.49 | fevoldj2 | infinity1: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 21:57.01 | tchino | Bertram: it says, that the package xserver-xfree86 is not complete installed |
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| 21:57.12 | ecliptik | marstewel, so if there's an error with the command it goes to std output? as in a root terminal? |
| 21:57.13 | Bertram | ah I see |
| 21:57.22 | Bertram | tchino : dpkg --config -a |
| 21:57.41 | Bertram | or apt-get -f install |
| 21:57.50 | marstewel | ecliptik: if it is in a cronjob the output is sent to the user who invokes the cronjob (if that's root, than root; exception: you have defined the MAILTO env variable with a different value) |
| 21:58.03 | fevoldj2 | anyone got a clue? |
| 21:58.04 | lightbright | is it best to always use aptitude instead of apt-get ? |
| 21:58.17 | marstewel | lightbright: its a set of personal preference |
| 21:58.29 | Bertram | aptitude has more feature than apt-get |
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| 21:58.52 | marstewel | I am satisfied with apt-get :D |
| 21:58.53 | lightbright | marstewel: doesnt aptitude do a better job in keeping track of installed stuff in case you ever remove something? |
| 21:58.57 | ecliptik | marstewel, thanks, what exactly is it called so I can check it out more online? |
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| 21:59.02 | Bertram | marstewel: me too ;) |
| 21:59.15 | marstewel | ecliptik: redirection ? |
| 21:59.18 | lightbright | Bertram: whats the equivalent for aptitude for apt-get --purge remove foo ? |
| 21:59.21 | tchino | Bertram: how can i reinstall the package |
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| 21:59.37 | marstewel | ecliptik: you probably should take a look at the ABS (advanced bash scripting guide) if you are interested in things alike |
| 21:59.40 | Bertram | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:59.46 | ecliptik | marstewel, cool, thanks |
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| 21:59.56 | jair_11 | abrotman, I am in there /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but what line I should uncomment or add? |
| 21:59.57 | marstewel | fas3r: do NOT /msg me |
| 22:00.00 | loxley_ | lightbright: nahh, its a wrapper around apt-get.. both keeps track of installed stuff |
| 22:00.08 | fas3r | ok sorry |
| 22:00.15 | Chris1 | i install to /usr/local/src installs to /usr/local/ssl |
| 22:00.22 | lightbright | loxley_: ok but I heard aptitude does a better job, not sure |
| 22:00.30 | slowhand | you guys know why my dirs and files wouldn't have been removed after doing: make uninstall |
| 22:00.32 | marstewel | Chris1: does your ld.so.conf have such an entry ? |
| 22:00.38 | tchino | Bertram: that it says xserver-org is the newest one |
| 22:00.51 | MontPython | hows debian doing ? |
| 22:01.01 | Bertram | tchino: Ok, you have now xorg |
| 22:01.03 | lightbright | loxley_: if I installed something with apt-get, will aptitude know about it as well? and if I instaled something with aptitude can I remove it with apt-get? |
| 22:01.07 | da9000 | is there a way to redirect all the bootup log (all of it, not just errors/warnings from the kernel) somehow, so it can be looked at later? |
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| 22:01.14 | Bertram | do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:01.15 | loxley_ | lightbright: yes |
| 22:01.32 | lightbright | loxley_: ok |
| 22:01.52 | lightbright | loxley_: whats the equivalent for aptitude for apt-get --purge remove foo ? is it "aptitude --purge ? |
| 22:01.52 | marstewel | abrotman: is it possible to define some kind of preference with ldconfig ? |
| 22:01.55 | Bertram | tchino : What is your graphic card ? |
| 22:02.22 | Bertram | lightbright: Did you try man aptitude ? |
| 22:02.26 | loxley_ | lightbright: in aptitude do _ on the package you want to purge .. thats what i usually do .. or d to keep the conf files |
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| 22:02.51 | lightbright | loxley_: add a _ ? |
| 22:03.01 | loxley_ | lightbright: man aptitude |
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| 22:03.44 | bob2 | da9000: I gather that's what bootlogd is for |
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| 22:03.57 | EdLin | lightbright: the command is "purge", but you'd know that if you RTFM'd |
| 22:04.05 | jair_11 | I am trying to configure the gdm to shutdown and reboot the debian system but do not find the line?? |
| 22:04.15 | Bertram | EdLin: indeed. |
| 22:04.17 | lightbright | ok ok no need to be nasty. brb |
| 22:04.23 | da9000 | bob2: hmm.. i'll look at it |
| 22:04.24 | marstewel | Chris1: after ensuring that /usr/local/ssl is part of /etc/ld.so.conf, run ldconfig -v |
| 22:04.25 | da9000 | yhc |
| 22:04.27 | da9000 | ]thx |
| 22:04.27 | Bertram | lightbright: np |
| 22:04.32 | da9000 | tahanks |
| 22:04.35 | da9000 | thanks goddamn it |
| 22:04.36 | jair_11 | I want to be able of let the regular users reboot and shutdown using gdm or the terminal? |
| 22:04.55 | marstewel | jair_11: you should make use of sudo |
| 22:05.04 | lightbright | Bertram: :) |
| 22:05.20 | jair_11 | marstewel, but sudo I think it give them to much priviledges. |
| 22:05.26 | Bertram | lightbright: Enjoy aptitude :) |
| 22:05.29 | marstewel | jair_11: you can limit it |
| 22:05.47 | jair_11 | marstewel, but that is the faster way of do it? |
| 22:05.55 | jair_11 | I have to do that in 15 machines |
| 22:06.00 | lightbright | Bertram: ok i will :) |
| 22:06.05 | marstewel | 15 minutes should be enough... |
| 22:06.21 | jair_11 | marstewel, can you help me then? |
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| 22:06.33 | jair_11 | marstewel, I have to do a sudo what? |
| 22:06.38 | marstewel | ask your questions, dont ask for help |
| 22:06.41 | Bertram | reboot ? |
| 22:06.50 | jair_11 | marstewel, when i do sudo reboot ask for a password |
| 22:07.02 | marstewel | doh, read the docs... |
| 22:07.02 | jair_11 | marstewel, that is my question |
| 22:07.03 | blondie | duh |
| 22:07.07 | EdLin | jair_11: "visudo" to edit the sudoers file in order to make a command available with sudo |
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| 22:07.31 | jair_11 | EdLin, so what i have to do is add the "user" there? |
| 22:07.37 | Bertram | tchino: Are you ok ? |
| 22:07.43 | EdLin | jair_11: that's not all - read the docs |
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| 22:07.54 | jair_11 | EdLin, ok |
| 22:08.21 | Bertram | I know that in kdm there is a line something like : AllowShutDown=All, AllowReboot=All |
| 22:08.33 | Bertram | I wonder what gdm can do. |
| 22:08.43 | fly_80 | what are the steps to enable the cpu frequency scaling ? i installed cpufred and gnome-cpufreq-applet , but the applet dn't want to start....something wrong ? |
| 22:08.43 | blondie | manage displays |
| 22:08.52 | jair_11 | Bertram, I am cheking that |
| 22:08.55 | tchino | Bertram: in which file stands the settings of xserver |
| 22:08.58 | fly_80 | *cpufreqd |
| 22:09.08 | Bertram | what is your error now ? |
| 22:09.36 | tchino | Bertram: i have reconfigured it, but a black screen comes |
| 22:09.46 | tchino | Bertram: no i restart my pc |
| 22:09.49 | Bertram | tchino : What glx driver do you use ? |
| 22:09.59 | Bertram | And what is your graphic card ? |
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| 22:10.30 | loxley_ | jair_11: check the example file in /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples *hint* |
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| 22:10.50 | jair_11 | loxley_, thank you very much |
| 22:11.00 | Unuma678 | Help! I've install mozplugger , and still My FireFox can not play midi files on the net!.. I says it doesn't have that plugin... |
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| 22:11.19 | tchino | Bertram: i have i functionec XF86Config-4 |
| 22:11.29 | soundray | Please give me some advice regarding a hanging boot. "Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd" - after that nothing happens. |
| 22:11.31 | shyko | alguien me ayuda? |
| 22:11.51 | tchino | Bertram: but now a have only a black screen |
| 22:12.01 | Bertram | tchino : A glx driver would be something like : nv aty, vesa, ... |
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| 22:12.17 | Bertram | and I still don't know what hardware you've got . |
| 22:12.27 | fernando_ | hola |
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| 22:12.50 | fernando_ | soy nuebo |
| 22:12.58 | EdLin | !es |
| 22:12.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:13.08 | dli | can I install etch on jfs file system only? last time I tried, grub couldn't make it boot |
| 22:13.15 | tchino | Betram: asus graphic-card with 32MB memory |
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| 22:13.32 | EdLin | dli: why are you picking jfs? |
| 22:13.34 | Bertram | ok. What glx do you use tchino ? |
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| 22:14.07 | tchino | Betram: glx? |
| 22:14.12 | MrChubbs | - |
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| 22:14.25 | dli | EdLin, people talking about data loss due to reiserfs |
| 22:14.29 | nono31 | What replaced initd in 2.6.14+ ? I compiled my kernel with make-kpkg -initrd and when I tried to install, it said that I have no good initrd maker or something like this.. |
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| 22:14.44 | EdLin | dli: so you switch to a file system that has even more problems? |
| 22:14.51 | MrChubbs | http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057 |
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| 22:15.07 | pm_ | Is there a link available for installing debian unstable???? |
| 22:15.10 | Bertram | tchino : You had to select it in a list last time you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 22:15.22 | Bertram | tchino : Should be asus or vesa |
| 22:15.23 | EdLin | pm_: iyntays |
| 22:15.28 | dli | EdLin, what problems? |
| 22:15.30 | FallOnMe | I must be the only one that had no problems with reiserfs in production. <knocking-on-wood> |
| 22:15.31 | MrChubbs | http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwa |
| 22:15.33 | MrChubbs | http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwar.com/page.php?x=1566057http://sigil.outwa |
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| 22:15.37 | EdLin | dli: it's very unstable |
| 22:15.44 | klausi | hi when i try to record a cd from an iso image i get an error cannot open /dev/hdc |
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| 22:16.03 | loxley_ | friggin spammers |
| 22:16.12 | dli | EdLin, I have a server running jfs for weeks already |
| 22:16.22 | klausi | how do i get the correct device of my cdrecorder? |
| 22:16.23 | Bertram | klausi : tried as root ? |
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| 22:16.27 | EdLin | dli: that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems... |
| 22:16.35 | tchino | Betram: i have saved my X86config-4 before. |
| 22:16.44 | chad_ | I am running a software RAID 5 device under stable, and it just reported that one of my drives dropped out of the array. I rebooted the system and found nothing wrong with the drive, so I am hotadd-ing it. Should I be worried about this? |
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| 22:16.48 | dli | EdLin, that puts an upper limit for "very unstable" |
| 22:16.50 | tchino | Betram: how can get my pc tow ork with that |
| 22:16.52 | EdLin | dli: unless you have certain performance needs, I reccomend ext3 |
| 22:17.17 | EdLin | dli: jfs is not mature, but if you want to break your servers, be my guest - just don't complain to me about it. |
| 22:17.18 | Bertram | tchino : First, do a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 22:17.23 | FallOnMe | EdLin: I find reiserfs usable and keep backups up to date. ;-) |
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| 22:17.32 | tchino | Betram: i do |
| 22:17.32 | dli | EdLin, tired of ext3 :( when you need it, it fscks, and long time for hundreds of GB |
| 22:17.39 | outlaw84 | Is it safe to change files in /dev of an installationation that I am not running right now? /dev get regenerated during boot does it not? |
| 22:17.41 | thc | xserver-xorg does not use XF86Config-4 |
| 22:17.49 | EdLin | dli: I think you're confusing it with ext2 |
| 22:17.49 | Bertram | thc: indeed |
| 22:17.50 | tchino | Betram: than it shows me nv |
| 22:17.51 | FallOnMe | dli: then you have not seen reiserfsck, I presume? |
| 22:18.03 | thc | tchino: are you running sarge? |
| 22:18.07 | klausi | bertram> yes i tried as root too |
| 22:18.14 | dli | EdLin, it's not a problem, the server has auto backup |
| 22:18.15 | Bertram | tchino: First, try vesa |
| 22:18.22 | dli | FallOnMe, never |
| 22:18.22 | klausi | bertram, how do i get the correct cdr device? |
| 22:18.33 | klausi | or what might be wrong? |
| 22:18.35 | Daemonic | Can someone point me in the right direction for a debian/alsa howto? |
| 22:18.42 | EdLin | dli: if you have a UPS, then xfs might be a good choice if you need performance on large files. |
| 22:18.43 | dli | FallOnMe, the story has it, when reiser fscks, it deletes |
| 22:19.06 | dli | EdLin, yes, I have ups here |
| 22:19.10 | EdLin | dli: if you don't have a UPS though xfs is a bad choice because it write caches agressively. |
| 22:19.14 | Bertram | klausi: what is your cdrom hdx drive ? |
| 22:19.14 | thc | Daemonic: install a 2.6 kernel or patch your 2.4 kernel, run alsaconf |
| 22:19.15 | FallOnMe | dli: We had reiserfsck running for three days on a 400GB partition. That bastard is an order or two magintude slower than any other fsck I've ever seen. |
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| 22:19.21 | tchino | Betram: why vesa |
| 22:19.32 | Daemonic | thc: ok. 2.6.x it is |
| 22:19.32 | Bertram | tchino: It works on most cards |
| 22:19.33 | klausi | bertram> i dont know |
| 22:19.36 | dli | FallOnMe, what about jfs? |
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| 22:19.51 | Bertram | klausi: Do a 'cat /etc/fstab' and tell me |
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| 22:20.01 | tchino | can't i use my old XF86config4 |
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| 22:20.07 | EdLin | tchino: "vesa" is unaccelerated but works |
| 22:20.11 | Bertram | tchino: I think not |
| 22:20.15 | FallOnMe | dli: haven't used it. We're running ext3 and happy with it. ;-) |
| 22:20.30 | Bertram | EdLin: We'll make finer settings later |
| 22:20.33 | tchino | Bertram: why, it works right |
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| 22:20.43 | dli | FallOnMe, ever tried xfs? |
| 22:20.47 | klausi | bertram> /dev/hdc |
| 22:20.55 | tchino | Bertram: please say me a way, how can i do that |
| 22:20.57 | thc | tchino: you can't do that. if you do anything to that file, debconf won't touch it anymore. use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:21.03 | YaRi | this the link |
| 22:21.03 | Bertram | tchino : Try wihtout, we'll see after |
| 22:21.12 | YaRi | of my radio |
| 22:21.17 | Doctor | hmm what do I use for a true or false datatype in gcc? |
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| 22:21.36 | fevoldj2 | init:cannot execute "/sbin/getty" |
| 22:21.37 | The_Vulture | Doctor: GCC is a collection of compilers. Choose a language.. |
| 22:21.40 | tchino | thc: but i have saved it before, where my system starts right |
| 22:21.42 | The_Vulture | and it's kind of off topic here anyway |
| 22:21.45 | fevoldj2 | I get that error at boot and I don't know how to fix it |
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| 22:21.56 | YaRi | www.micene86.altervista.org/win/radioirc-zeta.exe |
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| 22:21.59 | YaRi | :) |
| 22:22.02 | Bertram | tchino: doesn't matter anymore |
| 22:22.06 | thc | tchino: it doesn't matter. you can't edit or replace that file. reconfigure X and use the same values in your working XF86Config-4 file. |
| 22:22.07 | EdLin | Doctor: c++ has boolean but c doesn't, just use a char or an int. |
| 22:22.12 | YaRi | www.micene86.altervista.org/win/radioirc-zeta.exe <----- listen my radio |
| 22:22.15 | FallOnMe | dli: I've seen an el-cheapo NAS storage using xfs a few years ago, but have not tested it much. It mostly worked. |
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| 22:22.19 | Doctor | ok thanks |
| 22:22.23 | The_Vulture | EdLin: C++ has "bool", and C99 does as well, if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:22.27 | The_Vulture | (in <stdbool> at least) |
| 22:22.33 | The_Vulture | Doctor: that's for you too.. |
| 22:22.33 | dli | FallOnMe, sounds good |
| 22:22.34 | fevoldj2 | does anyone know? |
| 22:22.38 | sgeigerbot2 | YaRi: YahhhhhRiiiigh. |
| 22:22.40 | Bertram | klausi: can I see the /etc/fstab regarding your cdrom and what is your kernel version ? |
| 22:23.15 | EdLin | The_Vulture: I didn't know that, thanks. My knowledge of C is from the ANSI edition of K&R, which is slightly outdated. :-) |
| 22:23.17 | Van-afk | whats a good package to burn CD under console for Debian ? |
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| 22:23.24 | The_Vulture | EdLin: 'tis. |
| 22:23.35 | thc | Van-afk: cdrecord or cdrdao |
| 22:23.39 | fevoldj2 | The problem cannot be that difficult to solve.. is it a permission problem with /sbin/getty? |
| 22:23.40 | Van-afk | cdrdao? |
| 22:23.47 | Van-afk | cdrecord idont know how to use it XD lol |
| 22:23.48 | Bertram | van-afk : cdrecord |
| 22:23.50 | Van-afk | les me check cdrdao |
| 22:23.53 | thc | !info cdrdao |
| 22:23.56 | klausi | bertram> it says /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:24.22 | klausi | Bertram, my kernel is 2.6 |
| 22:24.24 | fevoldj2 | HELLO IS ANYONE HERE????? |
| 22:24.33 | FallOnMe | dli: go with what you know, I say. We have mostly ext3, and where large amounts of data (or files) are used, we split them on 4 or 8 smaller devices. |
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| 22:24.50 | klausi | Bertram, ah no kernel 2.4.2 |
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| 22:24.53 | abrotman | jair_11: uhm .. SystemMenu stuff iirc |
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| 22:25.14 | thc | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 22:25.14 | dondelelcaro | fevoldj2: lose the caps and excess punctuation, please. |
| 22:25.14 | Bertram | klausi: Must append="hdc=scsi" or something |
| 22:25.18 | dpkg | cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 401 kB, Installed size: 1116 kB |
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| 22:25.29 | FallOnMe | dli: backups of ext3 with millions of files can be really slow. |
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| 22:25.36 | fevoldj2 | woah sorry |
| 22:25.37 | Bertram | klausi: What loader do you use ? |
| 22:25.39 | klausi | Bertram, how do i do that? |
| 22:25.42 | fevoldj2 | didn't mean to hit the cpas lock |
| 22:25.43 | abrotman | thc: yay! |
| 22:26.03 | PDani_ | kene nekem vmi nagyon minimal linux, ami egy ilyen tar.gz-ben van, kitomoritem, bechroot-olok, es lilo, es mukodik |
| 22:26.06 | klausi | Bertram, grub |
| 22:26.17 | abrotman | PDani_: english ? |
| 22:26.26 | jbroome | i think he's having a siezure |
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| 22:26.34 | Bertram | arg, don't remember how to set scsi drivers on grub |
| 22:26.35 | FallOnMe | THIS IS A TEST..... IGNORE!!!!!!1 |
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| 22:26.41 | blondie | FallOnMe: FAIL |
| 22:26.53 | PDani_ | abrotman: sorry :)))))))))))))))))) |
| 22:27.03 | tchino | thc: now i have a black screen |
| 22:27.12 | Arsion | question: right now my debian server is set as 2.4 sarge. Which package do I install to get the latest stable version? |
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| 22:27.19 | Bertram | klausi: The goal anyway is to set you cdrom as scsi at boot |
| 22:27.32 | abrotman | Arsion: that is .. unless you want a newer kernel .. |
| 22:27.35 | PDani_ | bye |
| 22:27.38 | abrotman | Arsion: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 22:27.58 | Arsion | abrotman: i do. want a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:27.59 | klausi | ok and is there a howto or a website or anything that can help me with that? |
| 22:28.12 | Arsion | abrotman: and that doesnt upgrade anything |
| 22:28.24 | antgel_ | Arsion: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:28.33 | tchino | thc: my xserver not startet, hmmm |
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| 22:28.46 | bucky | apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 22:28.59 | abrotman | Arsion: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. get the one you want |
| 22:29.01 | antgel_ | bucky: not in sarge |
| 22:29.11 | bucky | oh... nv |
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| 22:29.41 | Arsion | is 2.6.12-1-386 stable? |
| 22:29.49 | Van-afk | someone know where i can get a HOWTO for cdrecord or cdrdao ? |
| 22:29.54 | antgel_ | Arsion: that's not in sarge |
| 22:29.54 | Bertram | I'm on it right now |
| 22:29.55 | tchino | Bertram: only a black screen |
| 22:30.01 | Guerin | Van-afk: manpage |
| 22:30.02 | antgel_ | Van-afk: man cdrecord |
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| 22:30.04 | outlaw84 | when using alsa what file is connected to the sound? |
| 22:30.15 | Arsion | antgel_: thought so, how do i get rid of it? |
| 22:30.17 | antgel_ | outlaw84: none |
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| 22:30.36 | deadcat | what happened to firmware_class in 2.6.14? |
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| 22:30.39 | antgel_ | Arsion: aptitude purge |
| 22:30.40 | Bertram | klausi: man grub |
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| 22:31.15 | abrotman | Arsion: that's not in sarge |
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| 22:31.32 | antgel_ | !tell Arsion about reference |
| 22:31.32 | outlaw84 | antgel_: my root users can use alsamixer... but my normal user gets Permission denied... what should I do then? |
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| 22:31.50 | Bertram | tchino: did you try /etc/init.d/xdm start ? |
| 22:31.51 | antgel_ | outlaw84: you should 1. add the user to the audio group. 2. stop running apps as root |
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| 22:32.16 | Arsion | so 2.6.8-2-386 is sarge? |
| 22:32.38 | antgel_ | Arsion: no. 2.6.8-2-386 is a kernel in sarge |
| 22:32.46 | outlaw84 | antgel_: I am not running things as root only now during my adminstration of my 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system |
| 22:32.50 | Arsion | well, thats what i meant |
| 22:33.04 | Arsion | so that one is safe to install |
| 22:33.15 | antgel_ | Arsion: nb you may as well grab the one optimised for your processor |
| 22:33.23 | tchino | Bertram: that is not the problem |
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| 22:33.47 | Bertram | the option used are not the same maybe... |
| 22:34.01 | bucky | hi sgeigerbot ! |
| 22:34.08 | tchino | Bertram: which setting file use debian to start the xserver |
| 22:34.17 | loxley_ | Arsion: but you should ask yourself the question why you got 2.6.12 showing up in the first place...if you are running sarge.. |
| 22:34.35 | Arsion | antgel_: the processor is an intel celeron - d 340 2.93GHz, would the above be the right one? |
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| 22:34.53 | outlaw84 | antgel_: I forgot to log out/in after having added the user to audio group... thats why it didn't work at first |
| 22:34.55 | Arsion | loxley_: it was my fault. I told it to install the 2.6 image and it installed that one |
| 22:34.59 | antgel_ | Arsion: i think it's a 686 kernel, but aptitude show <version> will help |
| 22:35.07 | antgel_ | Arsion: then you're not running sarge |
| 22:35.22 | andrewb78 | I was on here earlier but had to go... I am having a problem with installing sarge. I am to the base system configuration. I cannot use apt because eth0 does not work, but it did work earlier in the setup. |
| 22:35.23 | antgel_ | outlaw84: indeed |
| 22:35.29 | andrewb78 | Ideas? |
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| 22:35.50 | fas3r | with xorg.conf if i modify the files /etc/X11/xorg.conf for xorg take effect i just restart the service /etc/init.d/xserver-org ? |
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| 22:36.15 | abrotman | yes .. that's a 686 |
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| 22:36.30 | Arsion | antgel: i actually am. It was originally 2.4 sarge even thou I told it at install to use the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 22:36.46 | loxley_ | fas3r: yes |
| 22:36.54 | Bertram | /thanks fas3r |
| 22:36.55 | Arsion | rebooting now into old kernel before installing a new one |
| 22:36.57 | outlaw84 | antgel_: But I kind of still got a problem :) If a 32-bit app is using the sound no 64-bit can access it and the same thing if I do it the other way... I get some other application is using the device... any ideas? |
| 22:37.01 | antgel_ | Arsion: afaik if you install 2.6, it runs 2.6 always. |
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| 22:37.12 | antgel_ | outlaw84: #debian-amd64 |
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| 22:37.14 | fas3r | why thank Bertram ? |
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| 22:37.16 | andrewb78 | abrotman: sorry I had to go earlier... you had wanted the results of dmesg | grep -i eth ? |
| 22:37.23 | abrotman | i did ? |
| 22:37.28 | outlaw84 | antgel_: Thanks for the help |
| 22:37.29 | Bertram | fas3r for the advice |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | what for ? |
| 22:37.31 | Arsion | antgel_:thou it didnt, dont know why. At boot prompt of the installer i typed in linux 2.6 |
| 22:37.48 | abrotman | andrewb78: oh .. |
| 22:37.49 | Van-afk | how can i know if my debian detected my cd-burner or not? |
| 22:37.57 | abrotman | andrewb78: does your system see the NICs at all ? |
| 22:38.03 | csmiller | nmap -sU public.ip.address -p 1-65535 is reporting one UDP port open, which changes on each scan (port num is normally over 10,000). netstat -a -u doesn't report anything. Is this nmap glitching or should I worry about it? |
| 22:38.32 | csmiller | That's my public IP address, btw |
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| 22:39.16 | lightbright | does anyone know please how can I fix mplayer and subfont. error? |
| 22:39.22 | abrotman | ask #mplayer |
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| 22:39.36 | Ronin | there you go again abrotman being all logical again |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | dpkg: say mplayer is not in debian .. ask #mplayer |
| 22:39.40 | dpkg | mplayer is not in debian .. ask #mplayer |
| 22:39.41 | andrewb78 | abrotman: I think so... maybe eth0 and eth1 are getting switched, but eth1 doesn't work either... I get "eth0: no link during initialization" and "eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101'" -- that sounds like eth1 is the "old" eth0, which worked, but ifup eth1 yields "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | andrewb78: are they dhcp ? |
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| 22:40.11 | antgel_ | andrewb78: edit /etc/network/interfaces and change eth0 to eth1 |
| 22:40.12 | fas3r | but i have modify the files for active SHMConfig in the section INPUTDEVICES, i restart xserver-org ... but when i want to co nfigure synaptics it's said "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" |
| 22:40.21 | abrotman | for the auto lines :) |
| 22:40.24 | csmiller | andrewb78 - that last error can mean eth1's not configured. |
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| 22:40.31 | abrotman | andrewb78: try a dhclient eth1 .. or eth0 .. do either work ? |
| 22:40.39 | Bertram | fiew. I have to go, good night all. Sorry for helping till the end tchino. But i need to sleep in order to work properly tomorrow. |
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| 22:40.54 | black_Nightmare | just wondering but would it be difficult to configure debian instead of bios to spin down the main hd? and should I probably set power mangement options in bios or leave that up to debian? |
| 22:41.11 | tchino | Bertram: no it stands on the line X: client 5 rejected from loacl host and nothing happens |
| 22:41.19 | lightbright | has anyone gotten a subfont error with loading mplayer? |
| 22:41.29 | antgel_ | black_Nightmare: i would use acpi for power management if your motherboard supports it |
| 22:41.29 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 22:41.30 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 22:41.52 | antgel_ | lightbright: yes. just copy a file where it says. it's not rocket science. search google. |
| 22:41.54 | Guerin | lightbright: it's a warning which doesn't affect the functioning of the program |
| 22:42.13 | fas3r | anybody know if it's possible to verify if shmconfig was install or active ? |
| 22:42.34 | lightbright | antgel: ok |
| 22:42.42 | lightbright | Guerin: ah ok thanks |
| 22:42.52 | black_Nightmare | antgel...it doesn't have that ... I remember someone guiding me through disabling acpi on the first distro I had tried (was a bit slow so I deleted it after a few days) because it keep beeping errors at shutdown proccess :-S |
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| 22:43.06 | foo | How can I get a list of all the debian mirrors? |
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| 22:43.14 | loxley_ | lightbright: install the fonts for mplayer, if you haven't allready |
| 22:43.36 | antgel_ | foo: you can start by looking on www.debian.org |
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| 22:43.53 | foo | antgel_: alright, thanks. |
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| 22:44.03 | foo | antgel_: If I could spit out the exact ones from base-config it would be nice |
| 22:44.04 | mike_sol | anybody here used a Watchguard Firebox before? just curious if anybody hates it, as i'm about to order one |
| 22:44.14 | antgel_ | foo: apt-setup |
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| 22:44.36 | csmiller | foo - they are listed on http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:44.41 | foo | csmiller: thank you |
| 22:44.57 | foo | antgel_: ah, yeah.. that's I would go to apt setup in base-config .. this is the same. sweet, thanks |
| 22:45.02 | csmiller | search for 'mirror' on www.debian.org |
| 22:45.08 | linescanner | mike_sol: what you going to use it for ? |
| 22:45.11 | telaz | hi everyone, I just upgraded my kernel to the debian package 2.6.14-2-383 ... and now, sound is not working ... I get all kinds of "snd_intel8x0: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_pcm_close" in my logs ... |
| 22:45.17 | telaz | any idea, suggestion ? |
| 22:45.32 | telaz | s/2-383/2-386 |
| 22:45.44 | antgel_ | telaz: is that an unstable package? |
| 22:45.53 | mike_sol | linescanner, branch office firewall / vpn client. i already have their larger one (x700) as my main firewall, and another branch one... so it's pretty much set that im going to go with it, but id be curious as to how people feel about em |
| 22:46.05 | mike_sol | they run linux, though you don't get to go to the prompt |
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| 22:46.12 | Arsion | antgel_: uname -r , on original kernel, shows 2.4.27-2-386. So, i would use 2.6.8-2-686 for the best one in sarge? |
| 22:46.13 | cheal | telaz: use another kernel |
| 22:46.20 | antgel_ | Arsion: *nod* |
| 22:46.21 | telaz | antgel_: right, but if I compile my own kernel from the sources (debian package, with deb patches) I get the same stuff |
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| 22:46.33 | Arsion | antgel_: thanks |
| 22:46.38 | linescanner | mike_sol: We use Equiinet Netpilots mainly but have used Fireboxes. They are fine |
| 22:46.39 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I mount a filesystem of type 'linux' ? |
| 22:46.41 | antgel_ | telaz: did you check the bts? |
| 22:46.54 | andrewb78 | abrotman: probably not because I'm using a static ip |
| 22:46.56 | telaz | antgel_: "bts" ? |
| 22:47.05 | Van-afk | someoen help me to burn a cdrom on debian. my dev seem not to see any cdrom driver :S i dont hhave any /dev/cd0a |
| 22:47.10 | antgel_ | !btssmite telaz |
| 22:47.12 | mike_sol | linescanner, s'good to hear. i like the miniature ones as they have a nice web based interface (php on apache, even!) but the bigger one has only a windows based gui thing |
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| 22:47.22 | abrotman | wtf did he go ? |
| 22:47.35 | antgel_ | Led_Zeppelin: mount |
| 22:47.36 | telaz | all right all right ;-) |
| 22:47.38 | bob2 | telaz: you installed the linux-image package? |
| 22:47.46 | Led_Zeppelin | antgel: yes, I know that part |
| 22:47.48 | telaz | bob2: yes |
| 22:48.09 | antgel_ | Led_Zeppelin: then ask a proper fucking question |
| 22:48.12 | lightbright | Guerin: I keep getting an error with mplayer :Too many packets in the buffer" any solution to this? |
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| 22:48.23 | mhall | Can anybody name a UN*X tool that will allow me to take input in some convenient form (say HTML PDF PS or OOo formats) and convert to a print-ready output (say PS PDF DVI or OOo format) but presented in an 8-up or 16-up (8 or 16 compact pages per physical page) format |
| 22:48.26 | antgel_ | lightbright: #mplayer |
| 22:48.39 | lightbright | antgel: ok |
| 22:48.42 | telaz | as I told you, I get the exact same problem with my own compiled kernel ... |
| 22:48.43 | mike_sol | Led_Zeppelin, what actual filesystem is on the disk |
| 22:49.02 | mike_sol | mount should autodetect for the most part assuming you have support for whatever FS |
| 22:49.05 | linescanner | mike_sol: They just work :) |
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| 22:49.21 | mike_sol | linescanner, at this point that's pretty much what i'm going for. |
| 22:49.35 | Led_Zeppelin | mike_sol: not sure...trying to find out... |
| 22:49.41 | Led_Zeppelin | mike_sol: i know there is a partition on it... |
| 22:49.42 | dondelelcaro | 5/win 36 |
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| 22:49.53 | dondelelcaro | hrm... yeay for window 36 |
| 22:49.54 | Van-afk | someoen help me to burn a cdrom on debian. my dev seem not to see any cdrom driver :S i dont hhave any /dev/cd0a. someone help me out? |
| 22:50.05 | telaz | besides, the package linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 has no bug reports so far ... |
| 22:50.10 | linescanner | mike_sol: I like stuff that just works. I was involved in a large rollout of VPN kit and they used fireboxes. No issues |
| 22:50.14 | dondelelcaro | Van-afk: it'll be /dev/hdc or /dev/sr0. |
| 22:50.25 | Van-afk | oh |
| 22:50.30 | mike_sol | Led_Zeppelin, try 'blkid' |
| 22:50.35 | antgel_ | telaz: you could try #linux of lkml |
| 22:50.45 | csmiller | how do I get a full channel list? /msg chanserv list #* just lists joke lists |
| 22:50.54 | mike_sol | Led_Zeppelin, or 'mount --guess-fstype /dev/????' |
| 22:50.56 | Van-afk | dondelelcaro= i have both, which is the right one? |
| 22:51.06 | Led_Zeppelin | mike_sol: COOL command!!!! |
| 22:51.10 | Van-afk | dondelelcaro= actually i have hdc and hdc1 to 20 |
| 22:51.17 | loxley_ | Led_Zeppelin: fdisk -l /dev/hd to see whats on it..partitions etc |
| 22:51.18 | mike_sol | Led_Zeppelin, no worries. so what did it end up being |
| 22:51.31 | mike_sol | loxley_, that'd just show Type 83 Linux probably |
| 22:51.32 | sloncho | hi. i need to setup very basic routing between 2 internal networks. no firewal, no masqarading, nothing. I just want to be able to access 10.xx.xx.0/24 from 10.yy.yy.0/24 and vv. I can add static routes on 10.xx machines to use my router as gateway for 10.yy, and same for the 10.yy machines. Some help what I have to do on the router itself to make it just forward the packets? on the router I... |
| 22:51.33 | sloncho | ...have 2 nics, one for every network. static IPs. |
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| 22:51.58 | mike_sol | sloncho, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding i believe |
| 22:51.59 | Led_Zeppelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.05 | loxley_ | mike_sol: yeah probably :) |
| 22:52.07 | mike_sol | Led_Zeppelin, something like that |
| 22:52.14 | mike_sol | i never use the tool myself |
| 22:52.15 | sloncho | mike_sol, I did it, no fun yet |
| 22:52.15 | Led_Zeppelin | mike_sol: i get back nothing |
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| 22:52.39 | mike_sol | sloncho, what does a traceroute on a client machine say? are the packets going to this "router"? |
| 22:52.40 | antgel_ | sloncho: set ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options (The Debian Way) |
| 22:52.49 | Arsion | antgel_: ok, have updated to that kernel and then booted into it. I typed apt-get upgrade, and get nothing. Wouldnt I need to update alot of the modules now that I have went to a newer kernel? |
| 22:52.53 | antgel_ | sloncho: that's the same as what mike_sol said btw |
| 22:52.55 | mike_sol | that's right, antgel always has the Debian Way |
| 22:52.56 | sloncho | I can ping the "router" from both networks |
| 22:53.01 | stew | antgel_: (the deprecated debian way :) ) |
| 22:53.04 | antgel_ | Arsion: the modules come with the kernel-image |
| 22:53.09 | antgel_ | stew: oh? do tell |
| 22:53.11 | sloncho | antgel_: I did that as well |
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| 22:53.16 | mike_sol | my debian way kung fu is still stuck back at hamm or potato or something |
| 22:53.19 | antgel_ | stew: /etc/default ? |
| 22:53.30 | antgel_ | mike_sol: apparently not in this case |
| 22:53.35 | stew | antgel_: /etc/sysctl.conf and sysctl -p |
| 22:54.04 | sloncho | make_sol: ping from every network to the routre works. ping from the router to every network works. but no ping between the 2 networks |
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| 22:54.15 | antgel_ | stew: i have no idea what either of those things do :) |
| 22:54.25 | andrewb78 | grr... connection went away for a bit, then had to reboot |
| 22:54.31 | sloncho | antgel_: btw, do I need to restart the network after these changes. I did, but no joy |
| 22:54.32 | stew | antgel_: the prompt you to read manpages :) |
| 22:54.40 | antgel_ | stew: i'm there |
| 22:54.51 | linescanner | mike_sol: Hope the VPN thing goes ok :) |
| 22:54.53 | andrewb78 | abrotman: I did not get anything you said after I said that dhclient would probably not work |
| 22:55.02 | andrewb78 | (since my link went down) |
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| 22:55.16 | abrotman | andrewb78: yes . you use static .. make them both static :) |
| 22:55.23 | fas3r | anybody know if it's possible to verify if shmconfig is active ? |
| 22:55.25 | FrankyFourFinger | someone any idea how the general font size can be adjusted of graphical programs .. (using xfce4 as desktop environment) |
| 22:56.05 | stew | FrankyFourFinger: man xrdb ; man X and read the section named RESOURCES |
| 22:57.01 | rapsys | I have a small problem with a personal repository |
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| 22:57.06 | stew | FrankyFourFinger: you basically need to create a "*font" resource in .Xresources, google for .Xresources should get you started |
| 22:57.12 | rapsys | I try to build a personal debian repository |
| 22:57.13 | stew | rapsys: see a doctor |
| 22:57.21 | stew | oh |
| 22:57.24 | FrankyFourFinger | ok |
| 22:57.29 | rapsys | but I don't know how to generate the Release.gpg file |
| 22:57.52 | rapsys | I looked every howto about personal debian repository |
| 22:57.55 | csmiller | rapsys there's a mini howto somewhere on www.debian.org |
| 22:58.01 | csmiller | ah |
| 22:58.05 | rapsys | i already looked it |
| 22:58.19 | Van-afk | someone can tell me what is the CDROM in the /dev/ when its a IDE CDROM BURNER? |
| 22:58.20 | rapsys | for generate the Packages.gz and Source.gz it's ok |
| 22:58.29 | rapsys | but not for the Release.gpg |
| 22:58.34 | Van-afk | is it cda0? |
| 22:58.38 | andrewb78 | abrotman: OK, I added an eth1 entry to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:58.42 | rapsys | I tryed tu put my pubkey but it didn't works |
| 22:58.54 | csmiller | van-afk it should be /dev/hdc |
| 22:59.05 | Van-afk | i have tons of hdc |
| 22:59.09 | Van-afk | im notsure which one? |
| 22:59.09 | csmiller | if its the secondary master |
| 22:59.23 | Van-afk | hdc, hdc1, hdc2.. etc to 20 |
| 22:59.27 | andrewb78 | but, I still ping my network and get nothing |
| 22:59.38 | csmiller | ignore the hdc1, 2, 3, those are for partitions if its a harddrive |
| 22:59.44 | Van-afk | oh ok thanks |
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| 22:59.48 | loxley_ | Van-afk: check dmesg |
| 22:59.57 | csmiller | csmiller cdparanoia can locate the cddrive for ripping |
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| 23:00.19 | Van-afk | hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 23:00.20 | andrewb78 | gotta go again, sorry... |
| 23:00.23 | Van-afk | when i tried to burn with cdrecoder XD |
| 23:00.37 | Van-afk | the command was: cdrecord -v speed=16 -dao -pad dev=/dev/hdc /root/*avi |
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| 23:00.59 | FrankyFourFinger | how do I see a list of installed fonts in X? |
| 23:01.27 | antgel_ | FrankyFourFinger: xlsfonts |
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| 23:01.40 | csmiller | van-afk try cdrecord -v -dao -dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -dummy -speed 4 iso-file.iso |
| 23:01.50 | csmiller | thats what my IDE cd/dvd burner uses |
| 23:01.52 | bob2 | FrankyFourFinger: and fc-list |
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| 23:02.00 | bob2 | since there are multiple X font systems (yay) |
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| 23:02.22 | Van-afk | di dont have iso files, it would work if i try to burn all *.avi? |
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| 23:02.38 | csmiller | van-afk no. you use mkiso to create the iso first |
| 23:03.04 | Van-afk | oh ok |
| 23:03.05 | csmiller | van-afk in the directory you want to burn, use mkisofs -J -f -apple -r -iso-level 3 -o ../iso-file.iso |
| 23:03.16 | Van-afk | i got that trying to copy it |
| 23:03.16 | Van-afk | cdrecord: Input/output error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: fatal error |
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| 23:03.26 | Van-afk | cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. |
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| 23:04.16 | shai | hey, is there a website that has configured color files for vi... i'd like to make it look different when editting .c files |
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| 23:04.32 | antgel_ | shai: google vimrc |
| 23:04.45 | nvz | freed up two nics and have room for 7pcs instead of 2 |
| 23:04.51 | bbrazil | shai: :syntax on |
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| 23:04.54 | Billionaire | Hi all |
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| 23:05.05 | csmiller | van-afk try cdrecord -v -scanbus -dev=ATAPI |
| 23:05.14 | juice` | does anyone know why debian has depends that are in conflict? i mean is it a bug? (php4 build depends on both libdb4.2 and libdb4.3, both on etch and sid) |
| 23:05.14 | shai | antgel_, tnzx |
| 23:05.29 | Van-afk | ok i found it thanks csmiller |
| 23:05.32 | peterS | does anyone know of a berkeley db support channel? |
| 23:05.37 | Ecnassianer | How do I check when a file was last modified? |
| 23:05.38 | pkern | juice`: Do they really conflict? |
| 23:05.47 | peterS | Ecnassianer: 'stat' or 'ls -l' |
| 23:05.51 | juice` | pkern: libdb4.2-dev and libdb4.3-dev i meant |
| 23:05.52 | juice` | yes |
| 23:05.52 | Ecnassianer | thanks |
| 23:05.57 | Van-afk | csmiller so its not possible to burn wihtout using a iso file? |
| 23:06.01 | pkern | juice`: Those are, yes. ;) |
| 23:06.08 | sgeigerbot | van |
| 23:06.15 | juice` | but this is on entch and sid |
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| 23:06.26 | juice` | maybe debian doesnt want to let anyone build php4? :) |
| 23:06.28 | dondelelcaro | Van-afk: you either make the iso before, or you make it during. |
| 23:06.35 | sgeigerbot | Van-afk: yes. cdrec--cdrecord-directory--without-making-an-iso() { sudo su -c "mkisofs -R -J \"$1\" | cdrecord -v driveropts=burnproof dev=0,8,0 fs=8m -data - "; } |
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| 23:06.45 | csmiller | you must create a ISO file, if you are doing it from the command line. If your harddrive are faster than the burner you can do it in a pipe |
| 23:06.50 | deadcat | how can i get bridging to work with wireless? having some problem |
| 23:06.51 | csmiller | or use xcdroast |
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| 23:07.05 | shai | can you change colors for only vim (not vi?) |
| 23:07.06 | pkern | juice`: That's libdb4.2-dev | libdev4.3-dev or something? At least packages.d.o doesn't list both dev packages as source deps |
| 23:07.13 | deadcat | shai: yes |
| 23:07.18 | pkern | juice`: See http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/php4 |
| 23:07.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it should be "just another interface" to everything else. |
| 23:07.24 | shai | deadcat, where does vimrc file go? |
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| 23:07.33 | deadcat | shai: ~/.vimrc |
| 23:07.36 | peterS | shai: there are several implementations of vi - none of them are called just plain "vi". some have color support, some don't. |
| 23:07.37 | juice` | pkern: but both depends on apache-dev AND apache-prefork-dev |
| 23:07.39 | sgeigerbot | csmiller: If you have burnproof enabled, even that' snot a restrcition |
| 23:07.46 | antgel_ | shai: vi probably doesn't have syntax highlighting |
| 23:08.00 | bob2 | juice`: hm, apt agrees that the build-depenedencies of php4 can't be satisfied atm |
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| 23:08.04 | peterS | juice`: when apache switched to db4.3, it caused a number of this kind of problem |
| 23:08.06 | shai | antgel_, my vi does when i edit a .c file |
| 23:08.07 | Van-afk | thakns guys |
| 23:08.07 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when i try dhclient br0, it doesnt do anything. since all the iwconfig settings are done on wlan0, not br0.. |
| 23:08.09 | pkern | juice`: apache*2*-prefork-devs |
| 23:08.15 | pkern | juice`: Please look closer |
| 23:08.15 | shai | deadcat, thanks |
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| 23:08.29 | antgel_ | shai: it's not pure vi. it's probably vim. |
| 23:08.32 | mike_sol | i believe i just ate too much |
| 23:08.34 | foo | How can I spit out a list of running services in debian? |
| 23:08.35 | peterS | juice`: that's the kind of thing unstable is for, to sort this stuff out (like now, migrate everyone related in any way to apache2 to db4.3) |
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| 23:08.59 | juice` | pkern: ok i will find which packages are causing this conflict |
| 23:09.02 | antgel_ | shai: ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 23:09.02 | shai | deadcat, if i don't have a .vimrc i just make one basically and it looks in there for colors and stuff right? |
| 23:09.04 | peterS | foo: you probably can't because debian doesn't really keep track of 'services' per se |
| 23:09.04 | MrBallZ | I have an issue, with usb hotplug ... before i used to use kwikdisk to mount umount usb devices, now when i click on the usb drive, it creats a second one, original is: /media/usb ,but know it mounts it on /media/usb0 ... automatically ... and i only have the original line in fstab ... |
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| 23:09.12 | foo | peterS: What about running daemons ? |
| 23:09.18 | antgel_ | foo: ps ax |
| 23:09.21 | mike | hi can anyone tell me how many blocks there are in a megabyte |
| 23:09.26 | foo | antgel_: heh, ps ax shows a lot of other stuff. |
| 23:09.31 | deadcat | shai: global is /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 23:09.32 | peterS | foo: you can use 'ps -ef' to see all running processes, but only some of those will be daemons per se |
| 23:09.41 | mike | or point me to how i can find out |
| 23:09.42 | shai | antgel_, no such directory... |
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| 23:09.53 | antgel_ | foo: well, if you know it's the other stuff, you know what the daemons are |
| 23:09.53 | juice` | i dont get it, its something diffrent at my repositoy :/ |
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| 23:10.04 | pkern | juice`: At least you should file a bug report if a package fails to build from source due to conflicts. But not hypothetical ones but those you really encounter. |
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| 23:10.05 | foo | peterS: Hmm, ok ... no way to spit out everything that's running? Like the things in /etc/init.d/ .. or something |
| 23:10.08 | shai | deadcat, hmmm... not in this system |
| 23:10.09 | pkern | juice`: (Which the tools report) |
| 23:10.11 | antgel_ | shai: ls -l /usr/bin/vi |
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| 23:10.14 | peterS | foo: perhaps ps -ef | awk '{ if ($3 == 1) { print $0 }}' or similar |
| 23:10.17 | deadcat | shai: you aint using debian then |
| 23:10.28 | clusty | which is the kde package tht installs the basic window manager and startup scripts? |
| 23:10.46 | juice` | pkern: i can't build php4 on sid or etch becouse of the conflicts. i will five you exact packages name that are causing this. |
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| 23:10.53 | deadcat | clusty: kde |
| 23:10.55 | shai | deadcat, yah it's not for my own machine.. its fer my school one it's fedora... so nm ;) thanks |
| 23:10.59 | foo | peterS: hmm, lame. Would be nice if debian had something built in for this. Thanks, though |
| 23:10.59 | antgel_ | clusty: kde-core |
| 23:11.04 | clusty | deadcat, kde installs ALL |
| 23:11.05 | clusty | thanx |
| 23:11.11 | peterS | foo: or ps -ef | awk '{ if ($3 == 1) { print $8 }}' to get just the process name |
| 23:11.13 | pkern | juice`: As said, please report it as a bug if it FTBFS |
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| 23:11.35 | juice` | pkern: ok i will just have to recheck it to be sure. thanks |
| 23:11.40 | foo | peterS: That shows things like SCREEN and mplayer which aren't really daemons |
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| 23:11.59 | bob2 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:11.59 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.59 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.00 | clusty | antgel, thanx |
| 23:12.02 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.04 | peterS | foo: SCREEN certainly is a daemon. it runs outside your login session and lets clients connect to it |
| 23:12.32 | peterS | mplayer might not be, though |
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| 23:13.01 | lamp_ | is gnome 2.12 already in the unstable sources |
| 23:13.04 | foo | peterS: True, but nonetheless, not true daemons. I'm talking about the things that say .. "nfs started... OK" when you boot up your system or whatever. |
| 23:13.15 | bob2 | lamp_: pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org |
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| 23:13.38 | antgel_ | !wayttd foo |
| 23:13.38 | peterS | foo: right, the debian system doesn't particularly keep track of what an init script starts |
| 23:13.41 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, foo? |
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| 23:14.03 | peterS | foo: it's not a one-to-one mapping in any case. some start nothing at all, some start multiple daemons |
| 23:14.18 | loxley_ | foo: there are stuff in /etc/init.d that are not daemons either... |
| 23:14.22 | lamp_ | bob2, that's about gnome 2.10 |
| 23:14.33 | bob2 | lamp_: indeed |
| 23:14.34 | foo | loxley_: ah, I see |
| 23:14.40 | bob2 | lamp_: 2.12 is in experimental, mostly |
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| 23:14.57 | FrankyFourFinger | would this line be okay in my ~/.Xresources ? *font: -*-clean-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-c-*-*-* |
| 23:15.28 | nvz | FrankyFourFinger: try it? |
| 23:15.29 | mike_sol | how's 2.12 looking? any crazy new features i can look forward to? |
| 23:15.34 | lamp_ | thx bob2, then i will stay with ubuntu for a while :( |
| 23:15.37 | peterS | foo: you can use 'ps -ej' in place of 'ps -ef' to get more interesting data from which to form heuristics. the PGID and SID columns should be equal, for a daemon, and the TTY should be "?" |
| 23:15.56 | foo | peterS: Hmm, maybe I could write a bah script. Thanks |
| 23:16.09 | antgel_ | peterS: interesting |
| 23:16.17 | peterS | foo: in fact, 'ps -efj' gives you the PPID, PGID and SID columns. PPID should be 1, PGID and SID should be equal. |
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| 23:16.39 | peterS | foo: awk is great for doing these kinds of simple comparisons, but you could use shell or perl if you really wanted |
| 23:16.46 | FrankyFourFinger | nah didnt work |
| 23:16.55 | foo | peterS: hmm, I've grown up on sed. Time to become familiar rwith awk |
| 23:17.01 | csmille1 | is there channel history here? |
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| 23:17.25 | peterS | foo: the advantage of awk is that it's a full programming language with variables and loops and stuff. *and* it gives you separate input fields as $1 $2 $3 etc., which is very handy here |
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| 23:17.34 | Diana___ | I am using 2.6.14-2-386 and I want to use madwifi...anyone have a guide for installing madwifi on sid? |
| 23:17.39 | foo | peterS: gocha, thanks |
| 23:17.41 | xerophyte | how can i type in vi the windows control char ^M ? i need to replace those in afile |
| 23:17.48 | loxley_ | csmille1: page up :) |
| 23:17.51 | peterS | xerophyte: ctrl-v ctrl-m |
| 23:17.54 | amphi | xerophyte: ctrl-v ctrl-m |
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| 23:18.11 | foo | When I apt-get update I am getting E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Read error - read (14 Bad address), E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. ... any ideas? |
| 23:18.16 | csmille1 | loxley_ my <beep> ISP dropped my connection |
| 23:18.20 | peterS | !dynamic mmap |
| 23:18.20 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 23:18.40 | peterS | foo: well-known problem, see what dpkg just said |
| 23:19.05 | xerophyte | peterS, thx |
| 23:19.24 | csmille1 | why can't apt-get suggest changing the cache-limit, when it reports that error |
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| 23:19.54 | bob2 | csmille1: you could file a wishlist bug asking it to do so |
| 23:20.49 | csmille1 | I could. It's always annoyed me that it doesn't. Then I forget about it, until next time it happens |
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| 23:21.21 | dondelelcaro | the right solution is #195018 |
| 23:21.24 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 195018 |
| 23:21.25 | harfooz | hi all -- I use the ftp.us.debian.org and have seen several times a 404 error associated with updates. Is this just because the updates have not been uploaded yet? i.e. is this just a time to be patient? |
| 23:21.26 | peterS | foo: hmmm. from my 'ps -efj' list, it looks as though kernel threads always seem to have PGID==0 or PGID==1. I guess you could filter those out of your daemon list too |
| 23:21.27 | dpkg | #195018:W[apt] Make cache mmap grow dynamically; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:18:01 UTC |
| 23:21.43 | nvz | A 122-year-old dairy equipment company has used embedded Linux in a obotic cow-milking system (the system is robotic, not the cows). heh. |
| 23:22.14 | xerophyte | peterS, if you wanna change with base or replace how can you replace it just wondering |
| 23:22.14 | nvz | qoute from linuxdevices.com |
| 23:22.35 | csmille1 | ah well |
| 23:22.41 | loxley_ | nvz :) |
| 23:22.43 | peterS | xerophyte: replace what? I don't quite understand |
| 23:23.07 | xerophyte | peterS, i mean the ^M windows control char |
| 23:23.08 | Arsion | question, does installing the kernel source also create the symlink? |
| 23:23.09 | harfooz | and if I choose a secondary mirror from the mirror list, (say the Ga Tech mirror, since it's close to me) will I be waiting for a long time for the updated packages to get to those mirrors? |
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| 23:23.55 | bob2 | Arsion: no |
| 23:23.56 | lunitik | Anyone know how to change the little icon by "Applications" in GNOME menu? |
| 23:24.02 | bob2 | Arsion: it doesn't even unpack the tarball |
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| 23:24.22 | bob2 | lunitik: try asking gnomeoids, #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 23:24.32 | Arsion | bob2: ok, where does it put it at then? need to have it for make config on a driver |
| 23:24.54 | bob2 | Arsion: you very rarely need kernel source to compile external modules |
| 23:25.10 | Arsion | bob2: need to install the rt2500 driver. it needs the source |
| 23:25.10 | antgel_ | !tell Arsion about m-a |
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| 23:25.35 | jair_11 | If I have the network using a windows 2003 separate machine as dhcp ok, and I have a domain controller in windows 2003 using active directory, I can remove the dhcp server windows for a linux server dhcp3-server??? |
| 23:25.44 | jair_11 | and everything will work the same? |
| 23:25.48 | bob2 | rt2500 isn't in debian? |
| 23:26.00 | bob2 | jair_11: does AD care about dhcp at all? |
| 23:26.12 | loxley_ | bob2: yes , it authorizes it |
| 23:26.17 | jair_11 | not I don't think so ;) |
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| 23:26.30 | loxley_ | it could be rougue though .. |
| 23:26.30 | jair_11 | bob2, that means that yes I will be able to replace it ;) |
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| 23:26.47 | foo | Hmm, why won't the bot tell me what !dynamic mmap is in pm? I've tried dynamic mmap .. and mmap ... doesn't respond or says "please don't use the the addressCharacter when private messaging" when I do !dynamic mmap |
| 23:27.06 | agilman | does anyone know where is that google tool that converts pdf to text? |
| 23:27.11 | lainard | i have my Pci Realtec semi conduter wireless lan adapter recognize but how to bring it up? |
| 23:27.11 | bob2 | jair_11: not according to loxley_ |
| 23:27.18 | citral | foo: don't use ! in private with the bot |
| 23:27.23 | l3m | is there a way to query my system about the speed of the ram? that is, if my laptop has 2700 or 2100 sdrams? |
| 23:27.32 | bob2 | loxley_: in what sense is it recognised? |
| 23:27.32 | foo | citral: without the ! and just "dynamic mmap" doesn't work |
| 23:27.38 | bob2 | loxley_: dmidecode, perhaps, or lmsensors |
| 23:27.59 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use LVM2? does it need a special partition? |
| 23:28.17 | loxley_ | jair_11: if you are dependant to have the dhcp authorized.. then you cant replace it with a linux.. but if you are running it as rogue, then no problemo |
| 23:28.22 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: You can use it on a raw disk, but it's better to make a partition |
| 23:28.24 | citral | foo: probably a typo from your part, works here |
| 23:28.45 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: why is it better to make a partition? just curous |
| 23:29.04 | lainard | please somebody help me about wireless |
| 23:29.08 | jair_11 | loxley_, can you brief that better or explain that better? |
| 23:29.11 | antgel_ | l3m: your bios should tell you |
| 23:29.16 | dregan_ | bob2: Thank you for your help with postfix/dovecot/ - I have it working for IMAP to /Maildir/.. and through pop3 - so long as I dont enable ssl. |
| 23:29.22 | bob2 | er, l3m dmidecode, lmsensers |
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| 23:29.30 | bob2 | dregan_: yay |
| 23:29.34 | bob2 | dregan_: what happens if you enable ssl? |
| 23:29.35 | foo | citral: Weird, it's like the bot has a timeout set or something. It just worked :X .. thanks |
| 23:29.39 | l3m | antgel: oh. didn't think if that. |
| 23:29.45 | loxley_ | jair_11: ill try :) when you first installed that dhcp , did you authorize it in the AD? |
| 23:29.45 | l3m | antgel, bob2 thanks |
| 23:30.01 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: so that other operating systems which don't understand LVM will at least see a valid partition table and won't think the disk is completely unformatted |
| 23:30.03 | loxley_ | jair_11: is it running on the 2003 machine? |
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| 23:30.13 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: VERY good advice! |
| 23:30.17 | foo | citral: It's doing this with someone else too .. not responding |
| 23:30.18 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: thanks! |
| 23:30.48 | fevoldj2 | hey at bootup i get the following error: |
| 23:31.01 | citral | foo: hmm. |
| 23:31.05 | fevoldj2 | . /etc/init.d/rc: line 159: /bin/sed: Permission Denied |
| 23:31.07 | mike_sol | Wyzard, i like how you phrased that: 'dont understand LVM'. what is it, the misfit child of the disk world |
| 23:31.08 | dregan_ | bob2: I cannot get and receive email - I have just opened up article 284 and intend to do some more reading - with dovecot I had to set up a procmailrc with a few entries in it - this is not done automatically and I could find only a smattering of info on it |
| 23:31.11 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: if I move my PVs around (unhook, and move to a different controller), will the LVM pick that up? |
| 23:31.11 | fevoldj2 | How would i got about fixing that? |
| 23:31.22 | bob2 | dregan_: procmailrc to do what? |
| 23:31.31 | Arsion | bob2: how would i get m-a to install a package that doesnt come in .deb? |
| 23:31.38 | bob2 | dregan_: and define "enable ssl"; enabling ssl in postfix is a bit fiddly, but in dovecot it's simple |
| 23:31.38 | jair_11 | loxley_, yes it is all running right now in a windows 2003 machines but I am converting everything slowly to Linux |
| 23:31.40 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: Yes, that's fine |
| 23:31.41 | bob2 | Arsion: e.g. |
| 23:31.54 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: how does it do that? is there a PVID? |
| 23:32.00 | Arsion | bob2: for example. the rt2500 wireless driver |
| 23:32.03 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: yes |
| 23:32.14 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: you are very wise...thanks. Let me reboot :-) |
| 23:32.31 | bob2 | Arsion: get the source and read the instructions |
| 23:32.31 | loxley_ | jair_11: basicly the main use about authorizing a dhcp in the AD, is that no one can place a rogue dhcp in your network.. |
| 23:32.47 | cheal | Arsion: rt2500 doesn't come in .deb? |
| 23:32.51 | Wyzard | mike: Hardly a misfit, but good luck getting Windows to understand it |
| 23:32.57 | row | Can anyone recommend a decent QoS that is debian package friendly as such ie does not require cust packages that need to be placed on hold otherwise everything breaks on update :) |
| 23:33.02 | Arsion | cheal: if it does, apt-cache doesnt find it period |
| 23:33.02 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: You don't need to reboot to use LVM |
| 23:33.05 | row | +howto |
| 23:33.10 | jair_11 | loxley_, ohhh so then I will ahve to change the whole stuff to linux in order to use a linux dhcp |
| 23:33.12 | jair_11 | server |
| 23:33.31 | cheal | Arsion: are you on sarge? |
| 23:33.33 | loxley_ | jair_11: its all about security, imo |
| 23:33.36 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: well, I did play with some partitions now... |
| 23:33.36 | Arsion | cheal: yes |
| 23:33.42 | cheal | !info rt2500-source |
| 23:33.46 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: goot idea to reboot, when you make changes to partition table... |
| 23:33.48 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20050819-4 (sid), Packaged size: 237 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 23:33.51 | loxley_ | jair_11: if you trust your network, then no problem running a linux dhcp |
| 23:34.01 | cheal | Arsion: it's only in etch+ |
| 23:34.07 | Karat3 | ok, i installed debian with this debootstrap; whatever i can not boot it yet... i think i must install a boot loader. i want to use grub. buit it didn't work yet. what's the way to go? |
| 23:34.11 | jair_11 | loxley_, why if I trust? |
| 23:34.21 | Arsion | cheal: figures lol...no big...just have to install it from the source |
| 23:34.27 | bob2 | Karat3: you need to install and configure grub correctly |
| 23:34.28 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: That's only if the kernel was unable to reload the partition table after you changed it, which is only if there are other things in-use (such as a mounted filesystem) on that disk |
| 23:34.43 | Karat3 | bob2: how to configure it correctly? |
| 23:34.47 | cheal | Arsion: I'd suggest simply getting the etch version |
| 23:34.48 | jair_11 | loxley_, I will have the samba server, a dhcp, a dns server for the web server hosting the web site |
| 23:34.59 | Arsion | cheal: i just dont know how to get module-assistant to work with the source |
| 23:35.00 | loxley_ | jair_11: try it :) |
| 23:35.07 | foo | Hmm, who is the dpkg maintainer? The bot is ignoring someone ... dynamic mmap just isn't working. Really weird ... |
| 23:35.07 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: fdisk (not cfdisk, unfortunately) will tell you when the modified partition table couldn't be loaded into the kernel, I believe |
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| 23:35.28 | dregan_ | bob2: Please refer to " http://rafb.net/paste/results/mMqxPk39.txt " for a list of my procmailrc - note the line # DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ - this is the main requirement - Postfix/Dovecot would not direct mail to the /Maildir with it - even though dovecot had a similar line! |
| 23:35.32 | bob2 | Karat3: depends what you're doing (I guess I missed all the details) |
| 23:35.34 | antgel_ | foo: is your nick registered? |
| 23:35.34 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: whats better fdisk, cfdisk, or sfdisk? |
| 23:35.43 | foo | antgel_: ahh, you need to be identified? |
| 23:35.45 | bob2 | dregan_: mail only comes in via postfix, remember |
| 23:35.47 | jair_11 | loxley_, what do you have on your network? |
| 23:35.54 | bob2 | dregan_: so it's only pstfix that needs to be configured where to *put* mail |
| 23:36.00 | loxley_ | jair_11: no windows boxes :) |
| 23:36.14 | jair_11 | loxley_, that is what I am looking for |
| 23:36.19 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: I usually use cfdisk just for convenience, and occasionally fdisk for simple tasks or to check whether a partition table can be successfully reloaded without rebooting |
| 23:36.20 | foo | antgel_: Yes, and I am identified |
| 23:36.22 | jair_11 | loxley_, but what about the clients? |
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| 23:36.28 | jair_11 | loxley_, where are you located? |
| 23:37.05 | bob2 | dregan_: if that's your whole procmailrc, I'd think most of it was ignored by procmail |
| 23:37.15 | Arsion | cheal: the source is the serial monkey one. I'm using the source from the manufacture |
| 23:37.16 | Karat3 | bob2: so far i boot my computer with a ubuntu installer cd. i downloaded and installed debian sarge base. i installed the kernel. i also installed grub. how to setup grub to boot from /dev/hda1 and how to write to mbr? |
| 23:37.16 | antgel_ | foo: indeed. perhaps dondelelcaro can assist |
| 23:37.24 | foo | antgel_: Thanks |
| 23:37.28 | foo | dondelelcaro: Around? |
| 23:37.30 | cheal | Arsion: the manufacture? |
| 23:37.36 | loxley_ | jair_11: what exactly are you going to do? replace all windows boxes? i don't quite get your aim.. |
| 23:37.37 | antgel_ | !tell Karat3 about ig |
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| 23:37.46 | dregan_ | bob2: I had to change '#mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"' to' mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$USER"' as well has having the procmailrc |
| 23:37.48 | antgel_ | foo: try one of the other bots |
| 23:37.49 | bob2 | Karat3: haha, you debootstrap'd sarge from ubuntu? |
| 23:37.56 | Arsion | cheal: Ralink has the driver source for linux now |
| 23:38.00 | bob2 | dregan_: hm |
| 23:38.03 | foo | antgel_: There are other bots? Haha. What's another bot? |
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| 23:38.05 | Karat3 | bob: yes |
| 23:38.06 | foo | antgel_: I mean, what nick |
| 23:38.16 | antgel_ | @test |
| 23:38.16 | dregan_ | If I deleted to procmailrc - mail would no longer go to /Maildir but to /var/mail/username !!!! |
| 23:38.17 | jair_11 | loxley_, I am trying to replace all the servers |
| 23:38.19 | antgel_ | ~test |
| 23:38.20 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 23:38.20 | cheal | Arsion: I know...you know that serialmonkey's drivers are based on that source, right? |
| 23:38.27 | bob2 | Karat3: awesome |
| 23:38.39 | bob2 | Karat3: did you install grub into the sarge chroot? |
| 23:38.39 | Karat3 | bob2: because debian isos did not boot |
| 23:38.40 | jair_11 | loxley_, servers dhcp, dns, domain controller using samba, firewall |
| 23:38.42 | Arsion | cheal: no, didnt know that. I had kinda figured they made their own |
| 23:38.46 | Karat3 | bob2: yes |
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| 23:38.49 | bob2 | Karat3: hah |
| 23:38.49 | dregan_ | bob2: I gather that dovecot is some kind of mail redirector? |
| 23:38.56 | loxley_ | jair_11: uhumm.. domain controller using samba??? |
| 23:38.57 | bob2 | Karat3: do you have /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 23:39.03 | bob2 | dregan_: it's a pop3/imap4 server |
| 23:39.03 | cheal | Arsion: it's not the case. they're making their own though |
| 23:39.05 | Karat3 | wait... |
| 23:39.07 | bob2 | dregan_: you mean procmail? |
| 23:39.18 | jair_11 | loxley_, yes why not? |
| 23:39.25 | loxley_ | jair_11: you must mean to use that server as a fileserver |
| 23:39.30 | Arsion | cheal: so which is better for sarge 2.6? their or ralinks? |
| 23:39.33 | Karat3 | bob2: no |
| 23:39.36 | jair_11 | loxley_, my web server of course will be apache and the email server postfix |
| 23:39.50 | dregan_ | bob2:Nope - I did mean dovecot - I would have thought that procmail should have done it on it's own |
| 23:39.52 | cheal | Arsion: serialmonkey's. use etch's rt2500-source package |
| 23:39.52 | jair_11 | with squirrel mail or horde for web mail. |
| 23:40.00 | antgel_ | ravenbird: are you there? |
| 23:40.00 | jair_11 | loxley_, right |
| 23:40.01 | ravenbird | antgel_: wish i knew |
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| 23:40.10 | jair_11 | loxley_, remember will be more than one serevr |
| 23:40.23 | jair_11 | loxley_, server |
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| 23:40.36 | loxley_ | jair_11: okay. then just do it, would be my advice :) |
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| 23:40.51 | dregan_ | bob2: Personal question, how can you carry on so many threads at a time - isn't it exhausting? |
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| 23:40.57 | Karat3 | bob2: so? what to do? |
| 23:40.58 | deadcat | if i setup bridge, traffic only shows up on br0, not eth0 or wlan0 ya? |
| 23:41.31 | jair_11 | loxley_, how do you have your? |
| 23:41.36 | bob2 | dregan_: procmail is a mail delivery agent. postfix (the MTA) gives it mail and procmail drops it onto the hard disk. dovecot happens to be configured to look in the same place and knows how to spit it out via pop or imap. |
| 23:41.42 | bob2 | dregan_: hah, practice |
| 23:42.28 | cheal | dregan_: bob2 is known to use an SMP IRC client |
| 23:42.40 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:42.50 | bob2 | Karat3: I don't know, you should have that file |
| 23:43.00 | cheal | dregan_: but don't worry, I'm porting punkbuster to hyperion |
| 23:43.01 | Arsion | cheal: is it safe to use that etch package on a sarge system thou? |
| 23:43.08 | bob2 | Karat3: otherwise you'd need to ccreate one from scratch; maybe there's a sample in /usr/share/doc/grub/? |
| 23:43.17 | Karat3 | hm |
| 23:43.25 | cheal | Arsion: I believe it is. if the dependencies don't tell you otherwise |
| 23:43.28 | dregan_ | bob2: SMP = symmetric multiprocessing - hmm |
| 23:43.32 | Karat3 | i need a quick tutorial about grub-install |
| 23:43.34 | loxley_ | jair_11: one connected to net net, as firewall and for nat.. one other for capturing tv, media box.. and this with just debian |
| 23:43.41 | antgel_ | Karat3: did you read the install guide? |
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| 23:44.04 | bob2 | Karat3: grub-install requires a grub config file, afaik |
| 23:44.04 | tvc | where can i download that nifty smp text editor? |
| 23:44.08 | jair_11 | loxley_, hmm interesting |
| 23:44.14 | jair_11 | loxley_, are you in US? |
| 23:44.38 | loxley_ | jair_11: nopes.. .se |
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| 23:44.39 | Karat3 | grub-install /dev/hda1 ? |
| 23:44.50 | cheal | tvc: it's non-free, of course |
| 23:44.59 | tvc | cheal: too bad :-( |
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| 23:45.10 | cheal | tvc: :) |
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| 23:45.48 | jair_11 | loxley_, sweden |
| 23:46.09 | loxley_ | jair_11: hey, no more stalking.. |
| 23:46.09 | jair_11 | loxley_, nice, ok look so you have two firewalls one for tv and the other one for network |
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| 23:46.26 | jair_11 | loxley_, no more talking? ok sorry |
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| 23:47.43 | antgel_ | can any laptop users tell me why acpi reports 85% battery when it is clearly fully charged? could it be due to frequency scaling? |
| 23:47.53 | fernando_ | ·debian es |
| 23:48.13 | fernando_ | #debian es |
| 23:48.17 | dli_ | antgel_, you may need to recalibrate your battery |
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| 23:48.23 | tvc | antgel_: maybe its a "smart battery" which forgot its state |
| 23:48.24 | tvc | :-) |
| 23:48.42 | fernando_ | join #debian es |
| 23:48.44 | robin_sz | or .. its only 85% full |
| 23:48.50 | dli_ | antgel_ is it an old battery? |
| 23:48.57 | antgel_ | dli_: i've only had the thing a couple of weeks. it worked last week. does this mean that when it reports 0% there is likely something left? |
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| 23:48.59 | Ronin | fernando_: try /j #debian.es |
| 23:49.17 | fernando_ | gracias ronin |
| 23:49.29 | Arsion | cheal: using mod-assist, it keeps giving me errors on building the package |
| 23:49.33 | robin_sz | tres cerveza por favor |
| 23:49.38 | dli_ | antgel_, no, it means you may have to re-label 85% as full |
| 23:49.39 | fernando_ | ronin por casualidad no seras un debianita |
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| 23:49.51 | cheal | Arsion: I'll be back in a few minutes, but I can't help you without the erros |
| 23:49.52 | Ronin | fernando_: i have no idea what your saying |
| 23:49.53 | cheal | errors |
| 23:50.12 | fernando_ | sorry |
| 23:50.18 | Ronin | :) |
| 23:50.36 | fernando_ | join #debian.es |
| 23:50.38 | antgel_ | dli_: ok. any reason for the fuck up? it's new and worked when i bought it a couple of weeks ago. i use cpufreqd and hibernate a lot. either of these have an impact or is it just one of those things? |
| 23:50.50 | Ronin | fernando_: forgot the / again :) |
| 23:50.53 | lightbright | fernando_: hola |
| 23:50.53 | robin_sz | Ronin: I will give you my essential spanish lesson: "tres cerveza por favor" ... 3 beers please. there, thats all you need to know ... |
| 23:51.01 | zarathustra | jojojo |
| 23:51.14 | dli_ | antgel_, it doesn't matter as far as you are on ac |
| 23:51.20 | Ronin | robin_sz: very helpful i admit but what about chatting up the spanish ladies? |
| 23:51.21 | fernando_ | hola espaņol |
| 23:51.28 | Arsion | cheal: a few things. some are just warnings about pointer targets and then when it goes into the kernel source directory, it just exits with a failed to build error |
| 23:51.38 | robin_sz | Ronin: err, that was my chat up line for spanish ladies ... |
| 23:51.42 | dli_ | antgel_: but it's usually recommended for new batteries to be calibrated |
| 23:51.42 | bob2 | dregan_: hm, I should write up how I got postfix to do ssl. all the docs I found were entirely too confusing. |
| 23:51.44 | Ronin | heh |
| 23:51.53 | antgel_ | dli_: ok, i'll investigate. thanks |
| 23:52.15 | fernando_ | j #debian.es |
| 23:52.17 | robin_sz | Ronin: I can do french too ... "mon aeroglisser est plein des anguilles" |
| 23:52.23 | Ronin | fernando_: use the damn / first |
| 23:52.31 | dli_ | antgel_ the user manual explains how to calibrate it |
| 23:52.38 | Ronin | !es |
| 23:52.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:52.44 | dregan_ | bob2: I remember one of the errors I had when attempting to use courier was to do wil ssl certs - hostname - was different - I think that I should re-do the certs before turning on ssl in dovecot- - do you agree? |
| 23:52.53 | Ronin | heh not much help for someone who cant do / :) |
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| 23:53.29 | dregan_ | bob2: It would be good if you did write it up - please do! |
| 23:54.12 | bob2 | dregan_: the hostname should match the CN in the cert, tes |
| 23:54.14 | bob2 | I think |
| 23:54.19 | bob2 | certificates confuse the fuck out of me |
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| 23:54.46 | dondelelcaro | foo: ? |
| 23:55.01 | mike | hi can anyone tell me how many blocks there are in a mega byte or point me in the write direction |
| 23:55.23 | foo | dondelelcaro: Having an issue with the bot responding to someone |
| 23:55.28 | dondelelcaro | foo: who? |
| 23:55.38 | bob2 | mike: blocks of what? |
| 23:55.40 | loxley_ | bob2: and that's one cert :) imagine a whole forest of computers, revoking, issuing.. puhhh |
| 23:55.41 | dregan_ | bob2: I have had quite a bit to do with Verisign and the Australian Customes - everytime an academic has something to say on digital certs involves 10 30-50 page pdf files |
| 23:55.47 | mike | hardrive |
| 23:55.47 | foo | dondelelcaro: PM? |
| 23:55.47 | bob2 | loxley_: heh |
| 23:55.51 | dondelelcaro | foo: sure |
| 23:55.52 | loxley_ | ;) |
| 23:55.58 | bob2 | mike: sectors are 512 bytes |
| 23:55.59 | dregan_ | Customes = customs (gov) |
| 23:56.15 | bob2 | mike: I don't know that blocks are fixed, tho I believe ext3 defaults to 4KB |
| 23:57.52 | mike | or is that way of |
| 23:57.58 | bob2 | hah, customs |
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| 23:58.27 | mike | i was just trying to set up the hard and soft limits in qutoa |
| 23:58.46 | mike | but have no idea how to translate megabytes into blocks |
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| 23:58.58 | bob2 | ah |
| 23:59.04 | tvc | mike: fsck it harder, maybe it'll do it itself |
| 23:59.24 | bob2 | 256 in a MB, I guess |
