irclog2html for #debian on 20051118

`00:01.47`	`fernando_`	`algun debianita espa�ol`
`00:02.17`	`blondie`	`!es`
`00:02.17`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`00:04.05`	`tarzeau`	`abec0: i'm learning`
`00:04.18`	`bob2`	`taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarzeau`
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`00:06.12`	`A3K`	`Hello`
`00:06.13`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`Wyzard: still around?`
`00:06.56`	`A3K`	`well, I am happily running Debain, but still have a couple of quirks to work out`
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`00:07.36`	replay`-	`Bill Gates is not Satan. Some people claim that Microsoft's business practices are immoral (or at least overly predatory). I don't know if this is true, but using such claims as arguments does not make the discussion productive. Conspiracy theories sound really, really silly (as long as they're theories; feel free to provide verified facts).`
`00:07.42`	`nimak`	`whats up, A3K?`
`00:07.45`	`A3K`	`took me a bit to get used to using a text editor from a cli...`
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`00:07.57`	`cheal`	`Arsion: that doesn't tell me much about the error. seeing it would help`
`00:07.57`	`bob2`	replay`-: guess how much we don't care?
`00:08.02`	`A3K`	`I am having trouble getting my printer to work with cups and alsa does not seem to work`
`00:08.05`	replay`-	`:)`
`00:08.13`	`dondelelcaro`	replay`-: please be OT elsewhere.
`00:08.22`	replay`-	`http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/advocating-linux.html`
`00:08.28`	replay`-	`i like it ;)`
`00:08.45`	`nimak`	`A3K: what kernel are you running?`
`00:08.49`	`A3K`	`2.6`
`00:09.00`	`nimak`	`2.6.?-?`
`00:09.09`	`A3K`	`using an IBM Thinkpad T23`
`00:09.12`	`A3K`	`oh`
`00:09.15`	`A3K`	`er...`
`00:09.18`	`A3K`	`hang a sec`
`00:09.22`	`nimak`	`uname -r`
`00:09.26`	`nimak`	`i think`
`00:09.44`	`punkass`	`anyone recommend something similar to squirrelmail but better ;)`
`00:10.04`	`jade`	`how do i set up mail forwarding?`
`00:10.26`	`mike_sol`	`punkass: courier-imap has a webmail, or use Horde or Imp`
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`00:10.50`	`Ronin`	`punkass: better the sq? not possible, more complicated, bigger pain to set up yes its horde`
`00:10.59`	`A3K`	`2.6.8.2-386`
`00:11.03`	`mike_sol`	`yes the horde is "fun" to set up`
`00:11.17`	`punkass`	`lol but is horde worth the pain to setup?`
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`00:11.32`	`punkass`	`i tried roundcube but its a little unstable for use`
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`00:11.45`	`nimak`	`A3K: i was having somewhat similar problems with that kernel, upgrade to 2.6.12-1`
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`00:11.54`	`Ronin`	`punkass: not for me, squirrel does everything i need in a webmail`
`00:12.07`	`nvz`	`busted my monitor and my mouse :-/ they both still work though`
`00:12.09`	`A3K`	`a kernel upgrade....that should be an interesting experience`
`00:12.12`	`punkass`	`ok`
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`00:13.05`	`nimak`	`A3K: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-386`
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`00:14.29`	`nimak`	`thats in testing`
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`00:14.38`	`A3K`	`bbiab`
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`00:15.41`	`dregan_`	`I have an /etc/hostname of " ns1.realtek.net.au " - should the hostname be the name of the workstation " ns1 " or is the name correct?`
`00:15.47`	`Arsion`	`cheal: one sec`
`00:16.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`dregan_: just ns1.`
`00:16.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`dregan_: hostname should return ns1; and hostname --fqdn; shoudl return the whole hostname.`
`00:17.01`	`dondelelcaro`	`(although, why you have a workstatino named ns1 is beyond me.)`
`00:17.12`	`bob2`	`where does --fqdn get the name from?`
`00:17.34`	`bob2`	`all my machiens either say localhost.localdomain or just the hostname`
`00:17.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`bob2: /etc/hosts sets it;`
`00:17.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`127.0.0.1 archimedes.ucr.edu archimedes; FE`
`00:18.21`	`Arsion`	`cheal: want me to paste to your PM?`
`00:18.22`	`bob2`	`hm`
`00:18.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`$ hostname --fqdn; yields archimedes.ucr.edu`
`00:18.31`	`bob2`	`does modern d-i set that up correctly?`
`00:18.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`dunno`
`00:18.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`I keep not bothering to actually use d-i`
`00:18.48`	`cheal`	`Arsion: no, paste it to somewhere public (see /topic for paster)`
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`00:23.01`	`dregan_`	`dondelelcaro:Thank you for hostname stuff`
`00:23.50`	`Arsion`	`cheal: posting entire log to it. which is about 60 lines i think`
`00:24.11`	`cheal`	`Arsion: no problem, just show the URL`
`00:24.29`	`Arsion`	`cheal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1115`
`00:24.50`	`deadcat`	`can someone with a stock 2.6.14 debian kernel do a modprobe -l \|grep firmware_class for me please`
`00:24.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`dregan_: np`
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`00:26.03`	`Tiyah`	`Hi`
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`00:29.22`	`Diana___`	`What is the best way to install madwifi on sid...anyone have a guide?`
`00:29.31`	`Diana___`	`The madwifi from dpkg is old`
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`00:31.14`	`mhall`	`Can anybody name a UN*X tool that will allow me to take input in some convenient form (say HTML PDF PS or OOo formats) and convert to a print-ready output (say PS PDF DVI or OOo format) but presented in an 8-up or 16-up (8 or 16 compact pages per physical page) format?`
`00:31.18`	`cheal`	`Arsion: I don't know. did you try to google it?`
`00:31.20`	`tvc`	`i thought dpkg was deprecated?`
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`00:31.26`	`Arsion`	`cheal: nope`
`00:31.30`	`mhall`	`tvc: uh. no!`
`00:31.36`	`mhall`	`tvc: everything calls it as a backend`
`00:31.38`	`Subvertir`	`http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/networkingvpn.html Anyone know if there are any projects underway for Linux to duplicate this sort of functionality?`
`00:31.40`	`Tiyah`	`Hi`
`00:31.47`	replay`-	`mhall, what about kile?`
`00:31.52`	`Arsion`	`cheal: seems the problems start when it goes to use the headers`
`00:31.54`	`cheal`	`Arsion: try it, maybe the driver doesn't compile under 2.6.8`
`00:31.56`	`tvc`	`mhall: oh, i see`
`00:32.08`	`Subvertir`	`(not the actual network functionality, just the configuration portion)`
`00:32.10`	`tvc`	`damn thing, just deleted it :-/`
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`00:32.17`	`Tiyah`	`anyone herre my age`
`00:32.20`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: i was just about to ask that`
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`00:32.25`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: there is already a tool for this`
`00:32.30`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: called ipcop`
`00:32.43`	`Subvertir`	`Because, man, that looks like it kicks severe ass. If I could export something similar via X11 to windows or linux boxes anywhere... that'd rock.`
`00:32.45`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: people have told me they got ipsec l2tp + fw in 20 minutes`
`00:32.55`	`Subvertir`	`I'll check that out, thanks`
`00:33.01`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: using ipcop to do the setup of course`
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`00:33.13`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: apparently it gens the certs, does the rules, whole 9 yards`
`00:33.26`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: plus it'll run on an ancient piece of crap with 50 m of space`
`00:33.31`	`Subvertir`	`that looks nice`
`00:33.34`	`Subvertir`	`I'll give it a try`
`00:33.35`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: full dynamic html interface, etc`
`00:33.40`	`bob2`	`mhall: psnup does the latter`
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`00:33.49`	`mhall`	`bob2: what does it accept for input`
`00:33.51`	`bob2`	`processing any of those formats requires gui tools, afaik`
`00:33.56`	`bob2`	`mhall: postscript`
`00:34.01`	`bob2`	`even html, sadly`
`00:34.08`	`bob2`	`surely someone could wrap gecko in a command-line tool`
`00:34.12`	`nimak`	`i sure hope i didnt kill A3K's system`
`00:34.26`	`mhall`	`bob2: not a problem i can use ... html2text`
`00:34.49`	`mhall`	`bob2: i'll search pdo for binaries containing keywords htmlto and or html2`
`00:34.57`	`bob2`	`hah`
`00:34.57`	`mhall`	`bob2: there might well be a little converter deb`
`00:35.07`	`mhall`	`bob2: html2text i've got already`
`00:35.20`	`mhall`	`bob2: perhaps with some work i can find a binary that preserves formatting as well as syntax`
`00:35.24`	`mhall`	`bob2: that'd be 1337 jeans`
`00:35.38`	`mhall`	`bob2: that's one thing i like in linux`
`00:35.38`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`is it possible to view a PVs metadata in LVM2?`
`00:35.44`	`mhall`	`bob2: utilities are named predictably`
`00:36.16`	`Subvertir`	`haha, sorta`
`00:36.16`	`mhall`	`bob2: sure enough there is a package html2ps`
`00:36.23`	`Subvertir`	`I mean... grep? awk?`
`00:36.40`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: yeah it's not perfect but at least you know they're called that on every unix box`
`00:36.47`	`Subvertir`	`fair enough`
`00:36.55`	`Subvertir`	`hell, they're called that on the windows boxes I use too =)`
`00:37.06`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: on windows you have no idea what cheesy reimplementation of functionality you get by what proprietary or shareware writer`
`00:37.14`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: there's like 10 billion graphical greps on windows`
`00:37.20`	`Subvertir`	`I'm talking about gnu grep`
`00:37.21`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: none of which are as good as the original`
`00:37.29`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: nor are they named the same as each other`
`00:37.31`	`Subvertir`	`I don't rock windows without cygwin`
`00:37.49`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: all well and good until you're at an enterprise and can't necessarily install and run stuff`
`00:37.58`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: then it gets to be a bitch; i've been there`
`00:38.00`	`Subvertir`	`I don't do enterprise computing`
`00:38.05`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: good for you`
`00:38.11`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: sometimes a person is stuck`
`00:38.18`	`Subvertir`	`If I did, I'd probably use stuff with really expensive support`
`00:38.26`	`Subvertir`	`so I could just call them up and be like "wtf man?"`
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`00:38.48`	`mhall`	`bob2: big surprise, html2ps was written in perl`
`00:38.59`	`guru`	`when compiling a kernel for another system (compiling it on my workstation for my laptop), what is the recommeded method?`
`00:39.25`	`bob2`	`guru: /msg dpkg kp mantra`
`00:39.25`	`Subvertir`	`Just configure it like you would for your laptop and build it.`
`00:39.31`	`guru`	`thanks bob2`
`00:40.02`	`mhall`	`!tell me about kp mantra`
`00:40.10`	`Subvertir`	`I haven't built 2.6, can you do PREFIX=~/kernel; make install with it?`
`00:40.10`	`mhall`	`anything labeled mantra is usually funny`
`00:40.27`	`jessicaNZ`	`if I want to install a newer kernel I just have to apt-get it, point grub to it and reeboot right?`
`00:40.37`	`Subvertir`	`yeah`
`00:40.50`	`bob2`	`jessicaNZ: it'll point grub at it autmatically`
`00:40.59`	`cheal`	`jessicaNZ: just install the kernel image package`
`00:41.00`	`jessicaNZ`	`sweet`
`00:41.01`	`antgel_`	`jessicaNZ: aptitude will configure your bootloader`
`00:41.11`	`Subvertir`	`that's cool`
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`00:41.22`	`jessicaNZ`	`thanks guys`
`00:41.33`	`antgel_`	`although i have had a grub system that tried to configure lilo on kernel install. i must have broken something`
`00:41.49`	`guru`	`bob2: i'm presuming that CC and HOSTCC can be omitted if both are running the same version?`
`00:41.50`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: your kp mantra fact is a Good Thing`
`00:42.06`	`mhall`	`guru: thou shalt not tamper with thy mantra`
`00:42.17`	`guru`	`heh`
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`00:42.31`	`guru`	`duly noted`
`00:42.48`	`mhall`	`guru: ;-)`
`00:43.00`	`bob2`	`guru: yes`
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`00:45.02`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: my pipe is now fatter than t3h intarweb`
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`00:45.13`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: i suspect they know but don't or can't care`
`00:45.21`	`DustyPaws`	`djeeezes`
`00:45.24`	`DustyPaws`	`o.o`
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`00:45.26`	`jan_`	`/etc/cron.daily/mysql-server`
`00:45.26`	`jan_`	`ERROR 1227 (42000) at line 1: Access denied; you need the SUPER privilege for this operation`
`00:45.27`	`mhall`	`Subvertir: it's not exactly too easy to get to you over there`
`00:45.28`	`rlang`	`I got a problem with sound on debian. sound will only play 100 % or mute no matter what I set the various mixer apps to`
`00:45.31`	`jan_`	`anyone an idea? :-)`
`00:45.32`	`mhall`	`DustyPaws: Was ist los?`
`00:45.57`	`mhall`	`jan_: phpmyadmin your db and grant yourself the right privilege`
`00:46.03`	`guru`	`hi-ho hi-ho a'compilin i will go`
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`00:46.06`	`mhall`	`jan_: if it's a one time deal revoke it later`
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`00:46.11`	`guru`	`thanks for the info everyone :)`
`00:46.14`	`mhall`	`jan_: otherwise you'd better think about security`
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`00:46.17`	`mhall`	`guru: you got it`
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`00:46.18`	`DustyPaws`	`hey dood waves :P`
`00:46.21`	`jan_`	`mhall: hmm`
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`00:46.26`	`Diana___`	`Where can I list what modules should be loaded when I load my kernel?`
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`00:46.30`	`Diana___`	`Say when I reboot.`
`00:46.33`	`guru`	`vi /etc/apt/sources.list`
`00:46.38`	`guru`	`wrong term`
`00:46.38`	`jan_`	`mhall: it's the debian-sys-maint user, to do some checking i guess, didn't have that problem on mysql4`
`00:46.39`	`bbrazil`	`Diana___: /etc/modules`
`00:46.40`	`mhall`	`guru: EWINDOW`
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`00:46.51`	`Diana___`	`thanks bbrazil`
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`00:47.01`	`mhall`	`jan_: funny, it works ok for me`
`00:47.06`	`jan_`	`mhall: i imported mysql4 data to mysql5, but the priv's remained the same`
`00:47.13`	`mhall`	`jan_: maybe something got set weirdly during transfer then`
`00:47.24`	`mhall`	`jan_: can you somehow compare against default configuration?`
`00:47.39`	`mhall`	`jan_: i got a default setup so perhaps i can dump the table if you know which mysql table to dump`
`00:47.39`	`jan_`	`what privileges does your debian-sys-maint have?`
`00:47.42`	`guru`	`mhall: nah, more like EBRAIN: inode 177530296 corrupted in /dev/brain. Replace brain to continue`
`00:47.44`	`Tchiak`	`Got a quick problem here. I go through all the install of debian off of a cd minimal install.. get grub installed and everything to the first disk, however on boot up it does not show me the grub selection screen to choose my linux or my windows operating system.. have HDA1, the primary, the HDB1 which has the linux operating system, then hdb2 (swap), hdb3 fat32, hdb4 fat32`
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`00:47.50`	`jan_`	`yes, would be great mhall`
`00:47.59`	`Tchiak`	`and i'm trying to get this so i can dual boot either linux or windows on startup`
`00:48.04`	`mhall`	`guru: yeah but i gave you the error code from execve`
`00:48.25`	`mhall`	`guru: and that's the error code for your memcpy into the execve arrays`
`00:48.42`	`mhall`	`guru: but like always in C you didn't check errno from memcpy before calling execve`
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`00:48.50`	`mhall`	`guru: hehe`
`00:49.01`	`jan_`	`mhall: debian-sys-maint has global RELOAD and SHUTDOWN priv's`
`00:49.10`	`mhall`	`jan_: let me look`
`00:49.20`	`mhall`	`jan_: it will take a sec cause mysql box is remote ultrasparc 333`
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`00:49.24`	`mhall`	`jan_: little bit pokey`
`00:49.32`	`jan_`	`mhall: no problem :-)`
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`00:50.13`	`mhall`	`jan_: very reliable, back to back >180 days`
`00:50.15`	`antgel_`	`my laptop won't let me load acpi-cpufreq and speedstep-centrino. do i even need both? which is preferable if not`
`00:50.18`	`antgel_`	`?`
`00:50.21`	`mhall`	`jan_: only stopped by some power failure`
`00:50.25`	`mhall`	`jan_: but not esp. fast`
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`00:50.47`	`Tchiak`	`Is anyone able to help me with my problem?`
`00:50.48`	`mhall`	`jan_: alright is it in the mysql schema?`
`00:50.54`	`mhall`	`jan_: where do i need to look for the data`
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`00:51.09`	`mhall`	`jan_: i think i want mysql.user`
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`00:51.16`	`Karat3`	`how to start this installer from console that i have when installing sarge?`
`00:51.18`	`guru`	`heh`
`00:51.26`	`Karat3`	`where i cen setup keyboard...`
`00:51.29`	`Karat3`	`local`
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`00:51.35`	`Karat3`	`and so on???`
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`00:51.38`	`jan_`	`mhall: do you have a mysql5 or 4 setup?`
`00:51.44`	`edgeoc`	`When I try to install webmin, or anything for that matter I get an error....`
`00:51.44`	`edgeoc`	dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `munin' in statusoverride file
`00:51.48`	`antgel_`	`Karat3: base-config`
`00:51.54`	`edgeoc`	`And ive already removed munin`
`00:52.05`	`Karat3`	`hm... but i cant change my ip address there`
`00:52.07`	`edgeoc`	`so I dont know waht I should do b/c I cant add it again either`
`00:52.07`	`edgeoc`	`heh`
`00:52.08`	`Karat3`	`why?`
`00:52.16`	`guru`	`mhall: dist-upgrade upgrades your distribution to the one specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list file correct?`
`00:52.21`	`antgel_`	`Karat3: because you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces`
`00:52.33`	`Karat3`	`antgel: i did`
`00:52.38`	`Karat3`	`gna`
`00:52.54`	`jan_`	`mhall: anyway, use mysql; select * from user where user='debian-sys-maint';`
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`00:52.58`	`Karat3`	`i did this debootstrap and nothing is working`
`00:53.13`	`Karat3`	`how can i start such a global setup tool??`
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`00:53.58`	`antgel_`	`Karat3: then your ip address is whatever you set it to`
`00:54.03`	`castlerock`	`could anyone help me with a problem I have loading gDesklets?`
`00:54.32`	`castlerock`	`I get the following error, Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib: No protocol specified`
`00:55.31`	`Karat3`	`the eth0 is not even shown in ifconfig`
`00:55.55`	`mhall`	`jan_: yeah i got it`
`00:56.00`	`mhall`	`jan_: it took me a sec`
`00:56.04`	`mhall`	`jan_: i'm posting to intarweb`
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`00:56.32`	`jan_`	`hehe, i thought your sparc crashed :P`
`00:56.45`	`mhall`	`jan_: http://www.mhcomputing.net/~mhall/privs.txt`
`00:56.55`	`grendal_prime`	`hey i got this issue with a joystick`
`00:56.56`	`mhall`	`jan_: nah it just took me three tries to get data`
`00:57.03`	`jan_`	`lol :-)`
`00:57.05`	`jan_`	`thanks`
`00:57.05`	`grendal_prime`	`the calibration software works with it`
`00:57.12`	`mhall`	`jan_: first ran query in phpmyadmin but it was too wide to easily copy out of firefox`
`00:57.27`	`mhall`	`jan_: then i tried once with client to connect using syntax i used in oracle before`
`00:57.31`	`grendal_prime`	`but when i fire up xplane it does not work`
`00:57.33`	`jan_`	`mhall: hehe`
`00:57.34`	`mhall`	`jan_: that didn't work so i read manpage`
`00:57.38`	`jan_`	`mhall: is it a 4 or 5 ?`
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`00:57.43`	`grendal_prime`	`now...it works on my laptop on that program`
`00:57.52`	`mhall`	`jan_: then i got too much output cause i did select * from mysql.user where 1;`
`00:57.59`	`grendal_prime`	`and i have all the same joystick sofware installed`
`00:58.08`	`mhall`	`jan_: so then i dide select * from mysql.user where User = 'debian-sys-maint';`
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`00:58.16`	`mhall`	`jan_: yeah this is a vanilla mysql 5`
`00:58.20`	`jan_`	`ok, thanks`
`00:58.27`	`mhall`	`jan_: with mediawiki installed but into its own schema`
`00:58.28`	`Arsion`	`cheal: it does work, people have done it before using their driver. but all the posts i've seen on it says "i have this problem....its fixed...thanks" nothing saying HOW they fixed it lol`
`00:58.31`	`Jmax`	`hello. my client forgot his root password and through the magic of ipkvm i have found myself on the grub cli. is there anyway to boot to hdd with init=/bin/bash or the like from there? if so, how?`
`00:58.32`	`mhall`	`jan_: so the rest is all defaults`
`00:58.48`	`mhall`	`jan_: but yeah now you understand the delay i incurred`
`00:59.14`	`mhall`	`Karat3: why not k4r4t3`
`00:59.31`	`hxh`	`I have strange error that has me stumped. I'm running a small script through cron that runs ok from the command line, but fails when run from cron in Debian 3.1 and runs successfully when run from cron on RH FC3 and FC1 . Any suggestions ?`
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`00:59.51`	`slowhand`	`hey guys, i'm a bit frigthened about partitioning my drive at this point because i've got some stuff i dun wanna lose... but, here's the question`
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`01:00.27`	`Karat3`	`hm`
`01:00.41`	`slowhand`	`is it possible to split a FAT32 partition whipe it then mountit to my current /home dir?`
`01:00.48`	`Karat3`	`i added eth0 config thing... but it does not work :(`
`01:00.53`	`Karat3`	`no internet yet`
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`01:00.59`	`ThePredator`	`possible, yes`
`01:01.18`	`slowhand`	`is it difficult ThePredator`
`01:01.24`	`Karat3`	`and my localisation seemd to change the gui of base-config`
`01:01.33`	`ThePredator`	`That depends`
`01:01.34`	`mhall`	`!tell hxh about pastebin`
`01:01.41`	`slowhand`	`if i want to make it difficult?`
`01:01.42`	`slowhand`	`;]`
`01:01.58`	`mhall`	`hxh: both script and email from cron if possible`
`01:02.00`	`ThePredator`	`I think QT parted can split the partition`
`01:02.15`	`ThePredator`	`and then you can find a tutorial on mounting fat partitions on google`
`01:02.17`	`mhall`	`you know, i'm thinking 1337 should be updated for the modern era`
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`01:02.28`	`mhall`	`perhaps a utf8-safe ascii to uni1337 converter`
`01:02.28`	`slowhand`	`fstab wouldn't work?`
`01:02.39`	`mhall`	`maybe written in java`
`01:06.00`	`mhall`	`or perhaps C`
`01:06.00`	`ThePredator`	`it would probably work`
`01:06.00`	`ThePredator`	`i dunno how to`
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`01:06.25`	`slowhand`	`welcome back`
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`01:06.26`	`Karat3`	`it cannot find eth0 ????`
`01:06.26`	`Karat3`	`why???`
`01:06.26`	`slowhand`	`ThePredator, could you say that again?`
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`01:06.27`	`ThePredator`	`I think fstab can but I dont know how`
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`01:06.31`	`stazich`	`hey, when i was installing Debian Sarge, i was using expert install and during the installation, i was asked to enter a figure.. between 0 and -10.. and it was said that this figure would correlate to the distribution of system resourced between daemons and apps... i put -5 in there.. nut now realise i want to change it over to 0... :) how can i do that does anyone know?`
`01:06.50`	`caphuso`	`stazich: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common`
`01:07.14`	`jan_`	`mhall: so your phpmyadmin is also giving 'ALL PRIVILEGES' to debian-sys-maint ?`
`01:07.27`	`hxh`	`here's the script and error log - http://pastebin.ca/29081`
`01:07.56`	`mhall`	`jan_: let me peek at that output some more`
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`01:08.25`	`slowhand`	`Predator about the QT prog suggestion lost it on the mass quit`
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`01:08.55`	`jan_`	`mhall: well, i just gave that user all priv, should fix my problem :-)`
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`01:09.10`	`mhall`	`jan_: yeah there are some things that have N for privilege`
`01:09.20`	`mhall`	`jan_: let me awk this output and figure out which things`
`01:09.20`	`jan_`	`zion:~# /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server`
`01:09.20`	`jan_`	`zion:~#`
`01:09.22`	`jan_`	`tadaa :P`
`01:09.27`	`jan_`	`hm ok`
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`01:09.37`	`jan_`	`or take a look in your phpmyadmin`
`01:09.45`	`mhall`	`jan_: yeah that too`
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`01:09.48`	`jan_`	`if there's 'ALL PRIVILEGES' , it's ok`
`01:09.58`	`jan_`	`i added all privileges where there was a Y in your field`
`01:10.04`	`jan_`	`and it resulted in all priv.`
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`01:10.15`	`hxh`	`mhall: I have also added the output when run from command line to - http://pastebin.ca/29082`
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`01:10.42`	`Jmax`	`hmm`
`01:10.57`	`Jmax`	`how can i pass the lilo "linux init=/bin/bash" to grub?`
`01:11.03`	`Jmax`	`is there an equivelant?`
`01:11.28`	`mhall`	`jan_: alright here goes`
`01:11.33`	`mhall`	`hxh: i'll have a peek in just 1 sec`
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`01:11.56`	`mhall`	`jan_: all is Y except create_view show_view create_routine alter_routine create_user`
`01:12.28`	`jan_`	`yes`
`01:12.56`	`jan_`	`thanks for your help mhall`
`01:13.04`	`mhall`	`jan_: yeah sorry i sux0r with dbs`
`01:13.14`	`mhall`	`jan_: i just used the most basic of them in my last job`
`01:13.21`	`mhall`	`jan_: multi-tb non-normal tables`
`01:13.31`	`mhall`	`jan_: not very good way to learn how to do it right`
`01:13.40`	`mhall`	`jan_: esp. because oracle is sux`
`01:13.40`	`jan_`	`:-)`
`01:13.44`	`jan_`	`hehe`
`01:13.51`	`deadcat`	`cant seem to brige with 1 wlan0 and e eth0.`
`01:14.01`	`jan_`	`we learn oracle at school, its just so boring`
`01:14.10`	`deadcat`	`jan_: ya. oracle sucks`
`01:14.17`	`jan_`	`all we did untill now is basic SQL`
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`01:14.42`	`jade`	`was trying to 'apt-get install php4-mysql'. apt showed some unmet dependencies, attempted 'apt-get -f install', then while Removing psa-imp, apt exited stating 'Unable to find product configuration file: /etc/psa/psa.conf'. any ideas how to fix?`
`01:14.42`	`jan_`	`deadcat: well, dont know`
`01:14.59`	`jan_`	`deadcat: perhaps oracle is good for big databases if it's used correctly`
`01:15.11`	`jade`	`see http://channels.debian.net/paste/1116`
`01:15.11`	`jan_`	`but i'm not in the right place to tell that`
`01:15.13`	`guru`	`just out of curiosity why does choosing a desktop install automatically install kde?`
`01:15.36`	`jan_`	`guru: probably because KDE is the default desktop manager ...`
`01:15.37`	`deadcat`	`guru: because thats the default`
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`01:15.55`	`guru`	`ahh, when did kde become the default desktop manager?`
`01:16.13`	`zamsler`	`anyone heard of somthing that would cause my server to flood a bunch of addresses on port 53?`
`01:16.16`	`deadcat`	`when you werent paying attention`
`01:16.23`	`guru`	`deadcat: obviously`
`01:16.24`	`zamsler`	`It just started happening this evening.`
`01:16.39`	`guru`	`zamsler: that sounds like a worm`
`01:16.44`	`zamsler`	`I can;t find anything out of place in the process list`
`01:16.50`	`zamsler`	`I agree.`
`01:16.55`	`zamsler`	`but how do I find it.`
`01:16.56`	`jan_`	`zamsler: try netstat, lsof`
`01:17.04`	`deadcat`	`time to reinstall.`
`01:17.11`	`zamsler`	`nothing out of place on lsof`
`01:17.20`	`jan_`	`zamsler: check the sums of your binaries`
`01:17.46`	`deadcat`	`guru: personally i have no clue when they changed to kde, but i dont really give a fuck about the default manager. but i do remember it used to be gnome.. back in the days.`
`01:17.47`	`jan_`	`(see debsums)`
`01:17.49`	`zamsler`	`that was my next step. :(`
`01:17.55`	`guru`	`zamsler: google for "linux viruses" or "linux worms" - i think it's in the first one to 5 results`
`01:17.56`	`Gnea`	`zamsler: is it just the one box or do you have a lan?`
`01:18.11`	`zamsler`	`it is on a lan.`
`01:18.21`	`guru`	`deadcat: i'll end up uninstalling it and installing windowmaker anyway, was just curious`
`01:18.26`	`jade`	`anyone help simple apt error? ---> http://channels.debian.net/paste/1116`
`01:18.29`	`Gnea`	`zamsler: unplug the lan, see if the problem persists`
`01:18.36`	`thc`	`since when does a sarge net-install with "Desktop environment" packages install kde? i just did an install yesterday and it installed gdm and gnome.`
`01:18.47`	`Gnea`	`zamsler: wait, is this a home or business lan?`
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`01:18.50`	`guru`	`thc: i just asked that`
`01:18.52`	`deadcat`	`guru: ya.`
`01:18.54`	`zamsler`	`Gnea, I have someone going to do that soon`
`01:19.13`	`mhall`	`jan_: but the interface is horrid`
`01:19.22`	`guru`	`deadcat: i guess i can understand it though...kde is the most widely used DE for new-intermediate users`
`01:19.25`	`deadcat`	`so we agree that kde was changed just today? as default desktop?`
`01:19.27`	`Gnea`	`zamsler: waitasec`
`01:19.38`	`mhall`	`hxh: ok sorry for delay; looking now`
`01:19.47`	`zamsler`	`I don't have anything in the temp dir.`
`01:19.50`	`Gnea`	`zamsler: if it's an important lan, you don't wanna just disconnect it at will`
`01:19.54`	`mhall`	`zamsler: DNS requests on UDP 53`
`01:19.58`	`guru`	`deadcat: no idea, this is the first time i download a netinstall cd since sarge was still testing`
`01:20.01`	`mhall`	`zamsler: sometimes on TCP 53`
`01:20.04`	`Gnea`	`zamsler: apt-get install netstat-nat`
`01:20.06`	`zamsler`	`i know.`
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`01:20.07`	`guru`	`s/download/downloaded/`
`01:20.24`	`zamsler`	`I can't install anything right now.`
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`01:20.53`	`Gnea`	`can you take down the lan interface on the server without you losing a connection to it?`
`01:21.04`	`Gnea`	`ifconfig eth1 down`
`01:21.11`	`deadcat`	`bridge anyone?`
`01:21.27`	`deadcat`	`bridge+wlan0+eth0 help.`
`01:21.40`	`Gnea`	`deadcat: ?`
`01:21.42`	`mhall`	`hxh: please post this also to #python`
`01:21.46`	`guru`	`deadcat: what exactly is a bridge anyway?`
`01:21.57`	`zamsler`	`Gnea, not right now.`
`01:22.11`	`Gnea`	`!bridge`
`01:22.11`	`dpkg`	`Bridges link two or more network segments that use the samenetwork technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same,i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reducenetwork traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), andalso to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same networkprotocol.`
`01:22.21`	`hxh`	`mhall: will do. thx`
`01:22.34`	`guru`	`ahh, thank you`
`01:22.55`	`jan_`	`mhall: we use SQL lite to connect to the server`
`01:22.59`	`mhall`	`hxh: good luck with it`
`01:23.01`	`jan_`	`and THATS horrible !`
`01:23.08`	`mhall`	`jan_: thought sqlite was only for files of db stuff`
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`01:23.24`	`mhall`	`jan_: like for implementing transactions and rollback in standalone apps`
`01:23.28`	`jan_`	`yes, it's the dbms, but it quite sucks`
`01:23.33`	`jan_`	`hm`
`01:23.38`	`jan_`	`i see`
`01:23.56`	`jan_`	`well, i'm not an oracle pro at all :-)`
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`01:24.19`	`ne_`	`is it a debian policy violation for a package to depends on files located in /usr/share/doc/<package> ?`
`01:24.20`	`mhall`	`jan_: ah i think we're using two different renditions of the term`
`01:24.28`	`hxh`	`mhall: thx for looking , ciao`
`01:24.44`	`jan_`	`mhall: hehe, doen't matter, it all sucks :-)`
`01:24.45`	`iceman`	`Sorry to bug anyone, but i need a Sources.list for a Old Knoppix install ...`
`01:24.52`	`mhall`	`jan_: i used to used ksh scripts and sqlplus`
`01:25.07`	`mhall`	`jan_: it was ugly but way less ugly than using C connect library or C++`
`01:25.18`	`mhall`	`jan_: the sqlldr was a cool ute though`
`01:25.29`	`mhall`	`jan_: you could do an awful lot of shit with that ute very very fast`
`01:25.34`	`thc`	`iceman: this channel does not support knoppix`
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`01:26.04`	`mhall`	`thc: another one bites the dust :-D`
`01:26.08`	`guru`	`ok this is sad...i started installing debian way before i started compiling a new kernel for my laptop...and the kernel has been finished compiling for about 15 minutes now`
`01:26.11`	`thc`	`so sad :(`
`01:26.16`	`mhall`	`thc: lollercoaster`
`01:26.18`	`agilman`	`arrr, I was just about to offer him my sources list`
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`01:26.24`	`guru`	`both my workstation and laptop have similar hardware`
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`01:26.26`	`thc`	`mhall: big ups on the kingsleysmite`
`01:26.32`	`thc`	`that shit is golden`
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`01:26.38`	`mhall`	`thc: wrt that, it was Guerin i believe`
`01:26.42`	`jan_`	`mhall: hmm, sqlldr, never heard of`
`01:26.46`	`mhall`	`thc: i just fucking detest kingsley`
`01:26.49`	`jan_`	`open source stuff?`
`01:26.51`	`mhall`	`jan_: oracle bulk loader`
`01:27.02`	`mhall`	`jan_: if you have to load shit in quick it was very helpful`
`01:27.06`	`mhall`	`jan_: it was like database wek`
`01:27.08`	`thc`	`i don't really know anything about them but i think what they are doing is silly`
`01:27.09`	`mhall`	`jan_: awk*`
`01:27.25`	`mhall`	`thc: well it's ok; if i see kingsley i'll just fuck up his shit`
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`01:27.33`	`Lanix`	`i run gnome , and i dont know how but i cant get the show desk top to load ?`
`01:27.35`	`mhall`	`thc: i think i'll take a dump on his fucking pc`
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`01:27.45`	`mhall`	`thc: that'll shit on his god damn day for sure`
`01:27.49`	`mhall`	`thc: what a cock knocker`
`01:27.55`	`thc`	`urine would probably cause more damage`
`01:28.08`	`Arsion`	`how do I install the kernel-source? doing just apt-get install kernel-source$('uname -r') doesnt actually install it, does it?`
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`01:28.30`	`Mrdini`	`heya all`
`01:28.35`	`mhall`	`thc: but shit would demonstrate my point more emphatically`
`01:28.39`	`stew`	`Arsion: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uanme -r)`
`01:28.49`	`thc`	`Arsion: yes. unless you're running testing/unstable, which is linux-source`
`01:28.53`	`mhall`	`thc: nothing says you suck cock like a huge steaming pile of it`
`01:29.00`	`Arsion`	`stew: done that`
`01:29.06`	`Arsion`	`thc: thanks`
`01:29.13`	`stew`	`Arsion: its in a tar.bz2 in /usr/src/`
`01:29.24`	`jade`	`i tried to "dpkg --purge psa-api-rpc", but said "/var/lib/dpkg/info/psa-api-rpc.postrm: line 1513: /opt/psa/admin/bin/packagemng: No such file or directory", any idea to force removal of package even though package wasn't installed correctly?`
`01:29.36`	`Arsion`	`stew: yeah and how do i work with that? do i have to unpack it or what?`
`01:29.40`	`stew`	`Arsion: why do you want the source? depending on what you are trying to do you might actually want the headers instead`
`01:29.51`	`jan_`	`mhall: i see`
`01:30.00`	`Arsion`	`stew: still trying to install the rt2500 driver`
`01:30.13`	`Mrdini`	`& I don't have physical access to it`
`01:30.33`	`stew`	`Arsion: if you are trying to compile a third party driver you should only need the headers, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)`
`01:30.38`	`mhall`	`jan_: yeah it was pretty beautiful`
`01:30.47`	`Arsion`	`stew: those are already installed too`
`01:30.47`	`mhall`	`jan_: generate a text file of the data with any valid means`
`01:30.56`	`Arsion`	`stew: but it keeps failing on make`
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`01:31.03`	`mhall`	`jan_: then generate a description file once with an editor`
`01:31.07`	`stew`	`Arsion: what is the error`
`01:31.08`	`mhall`	`jan_: feed both to the loader`
`01:31.23`	`mhall`	`jan_: and all the data that passes constraint logic gets inserted ASP`
`01:31.26`	`mhall`	`jan_: ASAP`
`01:31.28`	`jan_`	`lol`
`01:31.34`	`stew`	`Arsion: paste the error in #flood or in a pastebin, don't paste here`
`01:31.35`	`jan_`	`sounds awfull ;-)`
`01:31.43`	`mhall`	`jan_: you can specify how quick to crash out if there are too many errors`
`01:31.47`	`Arsion`	`stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1115`
`01:31.55`	`mhall`	`jan_: and you can set rules for everything you want`
`01:32.01`	`mhall`	`jan_: but the defaults are sensible`
`01:32.29`	`stew`	`Arsion: the source is broken and is looking for source in /usr/src/linux, ln -S /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build /usr/src/linux`
`01:32.33`	`mhall`	`jan_: it was good for use cause we'd get data files, convert from binary to ascii, awk it up into the right format with awk printf, and then load them asap with sqlldre`
`01:32.42`	`mhall`	`jan_: then since sqlldr had good log output`
`01:32.53`	`mhall`	`jan_: you could monitor the logs with our php server status toolkit`
`01:33.01`	`mhall`	`jan_: and tell people which files choked on which lines`
`01:33.08`	`mhall`	`jan_: so they could go fix it asap with awk or vi`
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`01:34.18`	`mhall`	`btw where did you go`
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`01:34.23`	`mhall`	`nm`
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`01:34.25`	`mhall`	`EWINDOW`
`01:34.39`	`Arsion`	`stew: whatever that was. the linux folder is gone now`
`01:34.40`	`Arsion`	ln: creating hard link `./linux' to `/usr/src/linux': No such file or directory
`01:34.55`	`stew`	`ln -s`
`01:35.10`	`stew`	`oh sorry i said -S no idea why`
`01:35.16`	`mhall`	`Arsion: btw cannot hard link onto dirs`
`01:36.35`	`Arsion`	`stew: same thing`
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`01:36.50`	`Arsion`	`stew: tried mod-assist again and got same errors`
`01:37.03`	`stew`	`Arsion: oh you are using m-a?`
`01:37.14`	`stew`	`oh it should create the /usr/src/linux link for you`
`01:37.22`	`Arsion`	`stew: yes. downloaded the rt2500-source from testing`
`01:37.30`	`stew`	`!m-a Arison rt2500`
`01:37.31`	`dpkg`	`Arison: to compile and install rt2500 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uanme -r) && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2500 && modprobe rt2500 ; if this works echo rt2500 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a>`
`01:37.59`	`Arsion`	`stew: right, but the m-a a-i rt2500 is when the errors appear`
`01:38.05`	`stew`	`Arsion: /msg dpkg bts`
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`01:39.06`	`stew`	`Arsion: you are on sarge?`
`01:39.21`	`stew`	`aka stable`
`01:40.08`	`stew`	`Arsion: my guess is that you are trying to compile the testing or sid version of rt2500 on stable and the rt2500-source requires gcc4 to compile which isn't in sarge`
`01:40.20`	`stew`	`Arsion: is that the case?`
`01:40.46`	`blanky`	`does debian have some sort of updates utility where it updates your packages, I know it has this in command line but I mean a GUI maybe?`
`01:40.56`	`gravity`	`blanky: synaptic`
`01:40.56`	`Jmax`	`does debian grub prevent single user boot? i desperately need it`
`01:40.57`	`stew`	`blanky: aptitude / synaptic`
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`01:41.08`	`blanky`	`ah, synaptic lets you update?`
`01:41.11`	`gravity`	`blanky: aptitude is also a text mode ui which is really nice`
`01:41.13`	`gravity`	`blanky: Yeah`
`01:41.15`	`stew`	`Jmax: no it adds (Recovery Mode) kernel entries`
`01:41.24`	`Jmax`	`stew: but that asks for a root password`
`01:41.26`	`Arsion`	`stew: ummm....possible? was told to get the rt2500 deb from etch`
`01:41.30`	`Jmax`	`stew: i need to be dropped into root shell`
`01:41.32`	`blanky`	`but I mean, it automatically updates the stuff, I dont mean to compare, but as in ubuntu, where it tells you the updates and lets you choose which to install etc.`
`01:41.40`	`Arsion`	`stew: and i am on sarge 2.6.8`
`01:41.43`	`stew`	`Jmax: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password`
`01:42.13`	`stew`	`Arsion: i believe that gcc4 installs ok on sarge. but DONT let it do anything like upgrade your libc6`
`01:42.27`	`stew`	`Arsion: but`
`01:42.35`	`Arsion`	`stew: yeah. i have a dead laptop from one of those experiances lol`
`01:42.43`	`mhall`	`stew: just bootstrap it using 3.4`
`01:42.58`	`mhall`	`stew: i compiled it on solaris 8 and 9`
`01:43.01`	`mhall`	`stew: and those suck`
`01:43.05`	`stew`	`Arsion: but if you need gcc4 to compile that module, you will need to be using a gcc4 compiled kernel (which you don't currently have)`
`01:43.07`	`cheal`	`actually etch's rt2500-source depends on gcc-3.3`
`01:43.07`	`mhall`	`stew: so it oughta be easy to do it on debian`
`01:43.19`	`cheal`	`I don't see why it would need gcc4...`
`01:43.41`	`Arsion`	`gcc-4.0 is already the newest version`
`01:43.46`	`stew`	`mhall: actually i beileve that etch's gcc4 install ok on sarge without needing newer libc6`
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`01:43.59`	`stew`	`Arsion: what does gcc --version report?`
`01:44.12`	`mhall`	`stew: ah, elite`
`01:44.14`	`Arsion`	`gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)`
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`01:44.19`	`stew`	`!depends gcc-4.0 etch`
`01:44.29`	`dpkg`	`gcc-4.0: depends on gcc-4.0-base (= 4.0.2-2), cpp-4.0 (= 4.0.2-2), binutils (>= 2.16.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21)`
`01:44.35`	`mistik1`	`hey guys`
`01:44.37`	`stew`	`yeah that's sarge's libc6`
`01:44.45`	`stew`	`Arsion: in that case you are probably need to compile it with gcc3.3`
`01:44.48`	`mhall`	`gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051023 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-3)`
`01:44.52`	`stew`	`Arsion: and that's why you are getting errors`
`01:44.57`	`mhall`	`w00h00 experimental`
`01:44.59`	`mhall`	`yeehaw`
`01:45.04`	`Arsion`	`and how do i tell it to compile with 3.3?`
`01:45.46`	`mistik1`	`I have a machine here running debian-3.1 with JFS filesystems on RAID1, I cannot seem to get user/group disk quotas to work and would like to know if there are any known issues with getting quotas working on such a config`
`01:46.02`	`litage`	`do you guys recommend any particular brand of UPSs?`
`01:46.06`	`cheal`	`Arsion: I guess it's already building with 3.3`
`01:46.06`	`mhall`	`mistik1: there are often two types of quotas`
`01:46.12`	`mhall`	`litage: get ones with best warranty`
`01:46.22`	`mhall`	`litage: have an uncle that works for alpha power`
`01:46.30`	`mistik1`	`kernel in use is 2.6.8`
`01:46.31`	`mhall`	`litage: he says his experience is that they make a good product`
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`01:46.38`	`mhall`	`litage: and he does elec. engr. r&d`
`01:46.53`	`mhall`	`litage: have used apc before, seems to work well`
`01:47.06`	`mhall`	`litage: have used triplite, worked well, company had good tech support`
`01:47.15`	`mhall`	`litage: sent me replacement serial cable for free just to be cool`
`01:47.20`	`mistik1`	`mhall: I'm in the hunt for some debian specific quota setup docs`
`01:47.42`	`mistik1`	`I dont mind RTFM but doing so has gotten me nothing so far`
`01:47.42`	`mhall`	`mistik1: well what i mean is, sometimes the fs has a kind, and there is also a kind linux itself has`
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`01:47.54`	`mhall`	`mistik1: so the first part of the job is figuring out which to use`
`01:48.07`	`mhall`	`mistik1: from what i know the linux native ones are simpler because they use more normal tools`
`01:48.14`	`mistik1`	`right and i need a little assistance with that`
`01:48.32`	`mhall`	`Fetched 96.8MB in 1m39s (973kB/s)`
`01:48.36`	`mhall`	`w00h00 fiber optics`
`01:48.41`	`mhall`	`mistik1: right-o`
`01:48.42`	`litage`	`thanks mhall`
`01:48.45`	`mhall`	`mistik1: i am looking up info`
`01:48.51`	`mhall`	`litage: also are you in the us`
`01:48.56`	`litage`	`mhall: .au`
`01:48.57`	`mhall`	`litage: and what are the upses for`
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`01:49.06`	`litage`	`mhall: 24/7 servers`
`01:49.09`	`mhall`	`litage: aw damn cause in the us they go on sale in sunday newspaper ads`
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`01:49.17`	`litage`	`ah phooey`
`01:49.19`	`mhall`	`litage: so if you wait you can get 1200 va model for < $100 usd`
`01:49.21`	`Arsion`	`stew: so if it the gcc is fine, what else could be causing the problem? I've already checked serials site and there isnt anyone having this problem. Also, i can't just try to install from source as their so called HOWTO has some kind of garbage everyplace there is suppose to be debian commands`
`01:49.29`	`litage`	`mhall: holy!`
`01:49.34`	`mhall`	`litage: if you can wait a week or three for the special to appear in one of the major discount stores`
`01:49.40`	`mhall`	`litage: yeah i know, really f'n cheap`
`01:49.52`	`litage`	`mhall: however, shipping several UPSs from the US to Australia would cost quite a lot`
`01:49.54`	`mhall`	`litage: if you were in .ca or something you could do it but shipping to au would be arm _ leg`
`01:50.05`	`mhall`	`litage: yeah precisely what i was gonna say`
`01:50.16`	`mhall`	`litage: not only did british punish people sending them there`
`01:50.23`	`mhall`	`litage: but they are still punished by global trade`
`01:50.28`	`mhall`	`litage: that's mighty fucked up`
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`01:50.48`	`litage`	`mhall: we are!! you wouldn't believe some of the prices. i'm Canadian and just moved here a year ago, but i'm still not used to the bloated prices`
`01:50.52`	`mhall`	`litage: or as kingsley would say f*cked up`
`01:51.14`	`mhall`	`litage: yeah damn if you were in vancouver or something you could get em cheap in seattle`
`01:51.27`	`litage`	`mhall: these US/Canadian discounts are for which UPSs in particular?`
`01:51.29`	`mhall`	`litage: but no can do for .au (speaking of which that's a cheesy rhyme)`
`01:51.35`	`mhall`	`litage: well generally APC`
`01:51.44`	`mhall`	`litage: from the major us office supply outfits`
`01:51.51`	`stew`	`Arsion: sorry i have an indian food emergency on my hands (YAY)`
`01:51.52`	`mhall`	`litage: office max, office depot, compusa`
`01:51.58`	`litage`	`is APC one of the leaders in UPSs?`
`01:52.06`	`mhall`	`litage: i think apc is biggest firm`
`01:52.11`	`mhall`	`litage: if not biggest close to it`
`01:52.16`	`litage`	`k`
`01:52.21`	`mhall`	`litage: my .edu's data center and routers etc. all use these`
`01:52.34`	`mhall`	`litage: at least in .us you seem them many places`
`01:52.47`	`litage`	`mhall: besides warranty, what should one look for in a good UPS?`
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`01:53.26`	`mhall`	`litage: i like to think of warranty as a statement by the manuf of how much they trust their device`
`01:53.38`	`mhall`	`litage: beyond that, it's a good idea to get adequate capacity`
`01:53.47`	`litage`	`mhall: that's a good point about the warranty`
`01:53.57`	`mhall`	`litage: i think you want to only use 2/3 of the capacity to keep it working longer`
`01:54.04`	`litage`	`k`
`01:54.08`	`mhall`	`litage: heavily taxed ups components get hot and die sooner`
`01:54.21`	`mhall`	`litage: basically it's the same situation as with pc power supplies`
`01:54.25`	`litage`	`is it advisable to get several small to medium UPSs, or just 1 or 2 beasts?`
`01:54.40`	`mhall`	`litage: i think the beast upses have better management sw and more redundancy`
`01:54.55`	`mhall`	`litage: but also if you move stuff to other rooms it could be sucky`
`01:55.10`	`mhall`	`litage: because then you can't move part of your beast to be where the server goes`
`01:55.15`	`litage`	`mhall: all of our equipment is in the one server room`
`01:55.25`	`litage`	`so that's not a problem for us`
`01:56.04`	`bahamian`	`can someone help I am trying to compile my own kernel but when I try to locate the .deb file I cant find it anywhere it doesnt seem to make one`
`01:56.09`	`mhall`	`litage: yeah then probably good to go with bigger system`
`01:56.11`	`bahamian`	`heres the command I used`
`01:56.18`	`bahamian`	`make-kpkg -rev ttt.deb`
`01:56.21`	`mhall`	`litage: they usually have redundant failover cells and better support`
`01:56.25`	`litage`	`bahamian: the .deb is usually placed in ../`
`01:56.28`	`mhall`	`litage: plus you can replace parts long term`
`01:56.31`	`Tchiak`	`When i first installed debian there was a screen that listed different things like desktop, and other types of systems`
`01:56.37`	`Tchiak`	`what command can pull that up again?`
`01:56.47`	`mhall`	`litage: if you want i can ask a friend of mine that's the sys admin for power at local us national lab`
`01:57.00`	`mhall`	`litage: he runs the comps that collect the data from the fusion reactor`
`01:57.10`	`mhall`	`litage: so he knows precisely what to do with upses`
`01:57.16`	`CompWizrd`	`best thing to look for in a ups is weight.`
`01:57.17`	`cheal`	`Tchiak: # tasksel`
`01:57.19`	`bahamian`	`hmmm`
`01:57.25`	`CompWizrd`	`heavier ups has larger batteries, generally :)`
`01:57.37`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: yeah i think this guy is going data center ups`
`01:57.38`	`litage`	`mhall: wowzers. i'd be really appreciative if you could. thank you`
`01:57.46`	`mhall`	`litage: yeah np he's a nice guy`
`01:57.56`	`bahamian`	`I tried to do and updatedb them tried locate ttt.deb it does not find the file`
`01:58.21`	`CompWizrd`	`i'm using a smart-ups 1000xl, with the 300lb UX24BP battery pack.. it's good fro about 3-4 hours at 100% load`
`01:58.33`	`CompWizrd`	`which is about what it runs at, because management won't approve getting a 2200VA with the UX48BP`
`01:58.51`	`CompWizrd`	`i also have a pile of BX1000's running individual servers, since i maxed out the big unit`
`01:58.55`	`asg`	`!wb caphuso`
`01:58.56`	`dpkg`	`O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! caphuso has returned!`
`01:59.01`	`mhall`	`caphuso: yuo was t3h punt3d`
`01:59.01`	`CompWizrd`	`i think i've spent more on the bx1000's than the 2200va would have cost...`
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`01:59.21`	`mhall`	`!mhallsmite litage`
`01:59.38`	`mhall`	`caphuso: gotta love t-offline`
`01:59.44`	`litage`	`lovely. thanks mhall`
`01:59.49`	`mhall`	`litage: yq`
`01:59.52`	`mhall`	`litage: yw*`
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`02:00.26`	`CompWizrd`	`i found a bug in slocate last week, was surprised it hadn't been found already`
`02:00.52`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: namely?`
`02:00.54`	`CompWizrd`	`#338652, can't locate files over 2gb.`
`02:00.59`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: lol!`
`02:01.00`	`RichiH`	`heh`
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`02:01.08`	`RichiH`	`that is _bad_`
`02:01.16`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: probably not enough people using it on pr0n and w4r3z`
`02:01.25`	`CompWizrd`	`a 2047mb file is locateable, 2048kb isn't`
`02:01.32`	`RichiH`	`mhall: or databases :)`
`02:01.34`	`CompWizrd`	`well, what about knoppix dvd iso's?`
`02:01.38`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: s/kb/mb/g`
`02:01.48`	`mhall`	`RichiH: perhaps`
`02:01.53`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight`
`02:01.54`	`CompWizrd`	`i`
`02:02.14`	`CompWizrd`	`i'd be suspicious of a 2gb porn video... who really needs THAT long of a video? :)`
`02:02.15`	`RichiH`	`mhall: s/i*/i/`
`02:02.23`	`Tchiak`	`does the latest packages of X on debian have use x.org or xfree.org setup?`
`02:02.40`	`RichiH`	`CompWizrd: story, building up of the characters`
`02:02.50`	`asg`	`Tchiak: it depends on which Debian version you are referring to.`
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`02:03.24`	`Tchiak`	`Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 using Kernel 2.6.8-2-686`
`02:03.34`	`asg`	`Tchiak: Xfree86`
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`02:04.05`	`blanky`	`i feel a lot like switching over from ubuntu to debian`
`02:04.13`	`mhall`	`RichiH: er sarcastic right needs ii+`
`02:04.21`	`mhall`	`RichiH: that was deliberate`
`02:04.34`	`RichiH`	`mhall: mine, too :)`
`02:04.39`	`thc`	`!kingsleysmite mhall`
`02:04.40`	`dpkg`	`mhall: You're nothing but an as frting r*tard!`
`02:04.46`	`mhall`	`thc: oof`
`02:04.53`	`mhall`	`thc: i feel mortally fucking wounded`
`02:05.03`	`mhall`	`fucking kingsley; what an oaf he is`
`02:05.04`	`thc`	`mhall: you should! those were some harsh words.`
`02:05.08`	`asg`	`mhall: it's a kingsleysmite though, harmless`
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`02:05.31`	`thc`	`!sing the smurfs song`
`02:05.34`	`asg`	`thc: harsh words for kingsley involve oranges, bruising, and cream`
`02:05.39`	`thc`	`asg: hah`
`02:05.43`	`mhall`	`jesus h bleeding motherfucking christ on a pogo stick`
`02:05.58`	`mhall`	`what the fuck is up with that guy anyways`
`02:05.58`	`mhall`	`f0ck`
`02:05.59`	`CompWizrd`	`mhall: can i sell that on ebay?`
`02:06.07`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: which?`
`02:06.09`	`asg`	`mhall: you can buy jumping jesus on a pogo stick thongs you know`
`02:06.12`	`CompWizrd`	`the christ on a pogo stick`
`02:06.14`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: oh that`
`02:06.24`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: feel free, i rel. it under bsd w/o adv clause`
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`02:06.42`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: i won't file it as plot with USPTO`
`02:06.59`	`CompWizrd`	`i suspect goldencasino would buy up my christ on a pogo stick`
`02:07.08`	`mhall`	`asg: wouldn't know; not in thong market`
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`02:07.18`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: goldenpalace you mean`
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`02:07.26`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: only problem is finding christ first`
`02:07.27`	`CompWizrd`	`ah, sorry.. can't keep all the dens of sin straight`
`02:07.27`	`asg`	`mhall: I understand`
`02:07.32`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: since christ doesn't exist`
`02:07.40`	`thc`	`pagan!`
`02:07.42`	`mhall`	`CompWizrd: once you have that figured the rest of it is critical`
`02:07.44`	`thc`	`you'll burn!`
`02:07.50`	`mhall`	`thc: yeah my cousins told me already`
`02:07.53`	`CompWizrd`	`you could make a nice cross with two pogo sticks`
`02:08.00`	`CompWizrd`	`toothpicks for crucifixion?`
`02:08.28`	`CompWizrd`	`i wonder if anyone makes vegan pogo sticks`
`02:08.43`	`asg`	`CompWizrd: do they make meat flavored ones in the first place?`
`02:09.02`	`CompWizrd`	`oh, good point`
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`02:09.23`	`asg`	`CompWizrd: though there is probably a meat-based grease involved by default`
`02:10.26`	`CompWizrd`	`toaster ovens are a great invention.. i bought one for my mother for mothers day or something.. and she didn't want it so i was going to take it back, but my Labrador ate the box, so now i have a toaster oven. Which are great for cooking pogo sticks.`
`02:10.33`	`guru`	`where does apt store the debian packages it downloads?`
`02:10.54`	`thc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:10.58`	`asg`	`guru: /var/cache/apt/archives`
`02:11.09`	`cracker00`	`Hello Guys, i have a windows server, and wnat to use a linx box with apf+antdos+bfd as firewall to protect it.. Any Advice ?`
`02:11.14`	`thc`	`asg: slowpoke today`
`02:11.26`	`thc`	`i even gave you a buffer before answering`
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`02:11.31`	`asg`	`thc: lagging a bit both due to the network and the booze`
`02:11.36`	`CVirus`	`how can I know what is using a certain device as the device cant get unmounted because it says its busy ?`
`02:11.38`	`thc`	`woid.`
`02:11.51`	`CompWizrd`	`CVirus: lsof, perhaps`
`02:11.55`	`asg`	`CVirus: or fuser`
`02:12.10`	`guru`	`thanks`
`02:12.18`	`CVirus`	`CompWizrd: asg: Thanks alot`
`02:12.23`	`mhall`	`cracker00: please consider digging up junk box and installing ipcop`
`02:12.33`	`asg`	`or OpenBSD`
`02:12.36`	`mhall`	`cracker00: interface is good, security is good, security update system is good`
`02:12.45`	`mhall`	`cracker00: and you can get it running and secure in a half hour`
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`02:13.09`	`mhall`	`cracker00: just install a couple decent PCI network adapters`
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`02:16.37`	`cracker00`	`ok igot it but to do with the ips ?`
`02:17.04`	`cracker00`	`put the real ips to firewall and creata a subnet for the protected servers ?`
`02:18.18`	`jade`	`is there a way to see when the file was created (date/time) ? ls is showing me the date it was created, e.g. 9/25/05, instead`
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`02:20.34`	`jade`	`rather is there a way to check the file date time when it was created/copied to my filesystem. the date time reveals a 9/25/05 date atm.`
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`02:21.50`	`A3K`	`well, I got my sound issue sorted out. It was the kernel version I was using...now if I can get cups working`
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`02:22.57`	`A3K`	`anyone here good with sorting cups problems?`
`02:22.58`	`guru`	`is there a safe way to remove the items in /var/cache/apt/archives or would rm suffice?`
`02:23.22`	`CompWizrd`	`apt-get clean ; apt-get autoclean?`
`02:23.25`	`guru`	`A3K: no, but i'm really good at creating them :P`
`02:23.29`	`A3K`	`lol`
`02:23.34`	`guru`	`CompWizrd: thanks, never knew about those two commands`
`02:23.52`	`guru`	`A3K: what's your problem and i'll try to help`
`02:24.03`	`mistik1`	`mhall: find anything about that jfs quota?`
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`02:24.40`	`A3K`	`well, I have cups installed and my printer is selected and it says ready, but when I try to print,..nada`
`02:24.57`	`guru`	`A3K: did you try to print a test page from the cups admin interface?`
`02:25.37`	`A3K`	`I tried printing a test page...dunno if it was the admin interface.`
`02:25.48`	`A3K`	`lemme look`
`02:25.51`	`guru`	`http://localhost:631`
`02:26.45`	`guru`	`CompWizrd: one more question - how do i remove the items listed as "rc" in dpkg --list?`
`02:27.16`	`asg`	`guru: dpkg -P <pkg>`
`02:27.56`	`A3K`	`server-error-not-accepting-jobs`
`02:28.16`	`guru`	`asg: any way to automate it and have it remove all the ones that have status "rc"?`
`02:28.23`	`guru`	`i have about 2oo or so packages :-\`
`02:28.39`	`guru`	`err 200, not 2oo`
`02:28.44`	`asg`	`guru: dpkg -la \| awk '/^rc/{print $1}' \| xargs dpkg -P`
`02:29.09`	`asg`	`guru: sorry, s/$1/$2/`
`02:29.20`	`dvs`	`asg: shame! ;-)`
`02:29.48`	`asg`	`dvs: I blame it on the beer myself`
`02:29.55`	`dvs`	`heh`
`02:29.57`	`guru`	`asg: thanks...i keep forgetting about awk`
`02:30.04`	`guru`	`awk is teh sex0rs`
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`02:30.18`	`W\|cked`	`o_o`
`02:30.26`	`A3K`	`eheh`
`02:30.30`	`dvs`	`^_^`
`02:30.33`	`Daedalus_`	`!beer me`
`02:30.34`	`asg`	`:F`
`02:30.35`	`W\|cked`	`so.. many.. people`
`02:30.41`	`Daedalus_`	`Whohoo!!! Dpkg is back!`
`02:30.42`	`A3K`	`that was easy enough, after I found out where to look!`
`02:30.43`	`Gnea`	`o.O`
`02:31.01`	`A3K`	`click the button "accept jobs"`
`02:31.03`	`guru`	`deadcat: want me to fax you a beer? :-\`
`02:31.05`	`A3K`	`lol`
`02:31.08`	`guru`	`err`
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`02:31.20`	`guru`	`Daedalus_ too`
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`02:31.26`	`Gnea`	`guru: fax error: 101`
`02:31.27`	`Daedalus_`	`guru: Heh. Can I have a picture of the fax machine postfaxing?`
`02:31.28`	`Gnea`	`;)`
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`02:31.31`	`A3K`	`who says linux is hard...it just has so much stuff that finding where to look can be hard`
`02:31.41`	`guru`	`Daedalus_: lmao, maybe when i'm sober :P`
`02:32.07`	`tengulre`	`hi,all`
`02:32.07`	`asg`	`A3K: that's why there are utilities such as locate, whereis, find, and, on Debian at least, apt-cache and apt-file`
`02:32.13`	`guru`	`i'm flying to new mexico on monday so i'm trying to get my laptop set up perfectly`
`02:32.15`	`tengulre`	`how to install tifftopnm?`
`02:32.25`	`tengulre`	`which package contain it?`
`02:32.38`	`guru`	`and i must have been concieved with the -pedantic flag because everything must be perfect`
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`02:33.05`	`TwistedEmotions`	`apt-file?`
`02:33.11`	`jessicaNZ`	`Hi I just apt-got a new kernel, it said it depended on lsb-base_3.0-9_all.deb but that's not avaliable only lsb-base_3.0-11_all.deb should I install that instead?`
`02:33.13`	`asg`	`tengulre: at a guess, convert(1) in the imagemagick package might do the job`
`02:33.28`	`Gnea`	`tengulre: netpbm iirc`
`02:33.39`	`cracker00`	`gracias a todos thankx to all`
`02:33.40`	`asg`	`TwistedEmotions: it finds the packages in which a certain file exists`
`02:33.41`	`TwistedEmotions`	`does apt-file do same thing as dpkg?`
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`02:33.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Ahhh.. kk.`
`02:34.13`	`CMT978`	`y`
`02:34.14`	`Gnea`	`jessicaNZ: check the dependancies on the kernel - if it says >= 3.0-9 then should be alright`
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`02:34.22`	`guru`	`ok, now how do i get dpkg to make the package name list wider? :-\`
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`02:34.38`	`asg`	`guru: dpkg -la or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l`
`02:34.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`guru.. you mean you want to access more packages?`
`02:34.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ohh..`
`02:34.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`heh ;)`
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`02:35.34`	`guru`	`ahh, i was using COLS`
`02:35.43`	`guru`	`btw, -la didn't work for me`
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`02:36.03`	`asg`	`guru: it does the job unless you have really long package names`
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`02:36.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`How can I get dpkg to not show the "rc" status packages... or just completely remove those from the list?`
`02:36.25`	`guru`	`asg: yeah - gnome and kde crud`
`02:36.35`	`guru`	`TwistedEmotions: lmao...`
`02:36.41`	`guru`	`i just asked that`
`02:36.47`	`TwistedEmotions`	`oh`
`02:36.51`	`asg`	`TwistedEmotions: /lastlog guru`
`02:36.55`	`gnomefreak`	`does anyone know where i can get complete sources list for sarge?`
`02:36.58`	`guru`	`dpkg -la \| awk '/^rc/{print $2}' \| xargs dpkg -P`
`02:37.02`	`jessicaNZ`	`Gnea: it does say that thanks :-)`
`02:37.04`	`asg`	`gnomefreak: apt-setup`
`02:37.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`sudo dpkg -la \| awk '/^rc/{print $2}' \| xargs dpkg -P`
`02:37.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege`
`02:37.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`?`
`02:37.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I sudo'd?`
`02:37.47`	`asg`	`TwistedEmotions: s/xargs/xargs sudo/`
`02:37.55`	`guru`	`dpkg -la \| awk '/^rc/{print $2}' \| xargs sudo dpkg -P`
`02:38.03`	`guru`	`</late>`
`02:38.06`	`gnomefreak`	`apt-setup command not found`
`02:38.13`	`asg`	`gnomefreak: as root?`
`02:38.37`	`gnomefreak`	`no cause i cant use sudo can i use su in debian?`
`02:38.41`	`TwistedEmotions`	`oh shit. 'rc' means that only the config is left...`
`02:38.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`there go my config files ;)`
`02:39.12`	`asg`	`TwistedEmotions: rc == package removed, configs left just in case you re-install said packages`
`02:39.19`	`A3K`	`I will learn the ins and outs of this eventually. I didn't learn Amiga overnight either... I have been stuck in windows purgatory for far too long.`
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`02:39.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`asg: I get it now... after the fact ;)`
`02:39.39`	`A3K`	`I have one more problem...but I don't think there will be a solution.`
`02:39.46`	`gnomefreak`	`ok i got it to open if i choose http will it have a list or do i need to know them and type them in?`
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`02:41.07`	`guru`	`ii == installed, configuration installed right?`
`02:41.23`	`litage`	`the debian installer asks if your hardware clock is set to GMT. after installation, how do you change that setting?`
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`02:41.26`	`Gnea`	`guru: yes`
`02:41.30`	`A3K`	`I have an SMC pcmcia wireless card, model 2435w. I cannot find any info online about how to get it working.`
`02:41.41`	`litage`	`A3K: what chipset does it use?`
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`02:42.22`	`A3K`	`it is a TI chipset...hang a sec and I will see if I can find the number again. I had it earlier when I was searching for a driver.`
`02:42.45`	`sandman`	`You know how windows firewall works? Something tries to access the internet, it has to get my permission first?`
`02:42.54`	`sandman`	`Will something like that ever be done with GNOME or something?`
`02:42.57`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: dpkg-reconfigure base-config I think...`
`02:43.32`	`guru`	`A3K: ahh...the pcmcia wireless woes`
`02:43.32`	`asg`	`sandman: man iptables ; #iptables`
`02:43.47`	`Daedalus_`	`asg: Not user friendly enough`
`02:43.47`	`guru`	`i just compiled a kernel with the orinoco driver patch`
`02:44.00`	`litage`	`thanks TwistedEmotions, it's there`
`02:44.05`	`asg`	`Daedalus_: there are plenty of touch-feely wrappers`
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`02:44.18`	`Daedalus_`	`asg: heh.`
`02:44.29`	`TwistedEmotions`	`litage: heh.. funny.. I tried to to it myself and it didnt work.. but that's where I remember it being. ;)`
`02:44.31`	`Gnea`	`Daedalus_: shorewall`
`02:44.33`	`caphuso`	`sandman: what do you need that for? there's virtually no stupid spyware for linux`
`02:44.51`	`guru`	`Daedalus_: learn how to use iptables from the shell without outside tools...it helps out a lot when dealing with [frustrating] routing issues`
`02:45.20`	`Daedalus_`	`Gnea: well, yah, but does it prompt for unknown things trying to access the world?`
`02:45.56`	`Daedalus_`	`guru: been there, doing that. _I_ have no problem working with iptables. Other folks, not so much.`
`02:46.35`	`asg`	`Daedalus_: then other folks not willing to work with iptables should just use Windows.`
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`02:48.12`	`guru`	`i agree with asg`
`02:48.45`	`caphuso`	`edwards: C-h v tramp-debug-buffer RET`
`02:48.49`	`caphuso`	`edwards: sorry`
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`02:49.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: do you remember what was wrong with my .xsession file last time when desktop kept loading and going away?`
`02:49.16`	`randey`	`while compiling a pam module gcc/make displays "ld -lbsd not found ". Which package provides " -lbsd "?`
`02:49.26`	`caphuso`	`TwistedEmotions: a & in the wrong place?`
`02:49.36`	`dvs`	`randey: libbsd-dev?`
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`02:49.45`	`dvs`	`!info libbsd-dev`
`02:50.11`	`rapsys`	`I have a problem with libfam`
`02:50.19`	`rapsys`	`it don't build with gcc-4.0`
`02:50.23`	`rapsys`	`:'(`
`02:50.28`	`Supaplex`	`waaaa`
`02:50.45`	`randey`	`dvs : there is no such package in sid`
`02:50.56`	`dvs`	`randey: I'm still looking`
`02:51.03`	`A3K`	`according to some things I have read, it uses a TI ACX100 or ACX111 chipset, but when I polled it earlier from the cli, it returned numbers that did not match`
`02:51.29`	`A3K`	`will it hurt anything to install the driver from sourceforge and try it?`
`02:52.11`	`TwistedEmotions`	`caphuso: wow.. great... was trying to figure out what was wrong with the xsession file so I went to post it onto my website so you guys could check it out... now I realize my site is down ;P`
`02:52.56`	`caphuso`	`TwistedEmotions: #flood`
`02:53.49`	`guru`	`TwistedEmotions: or try rafb.net/paste`
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`02:55.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	`caphuso:`
`02:55.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`caphuso: #flood ;)`
`02:55.41`	`Snake-Eyes`	`how does one get a job back from the background, and fg doesnt work?`
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`02:56.10`	`caphuso`	`Snake-Eyes: by using fg in the right shell`
`02:56.10`	`sandman`	`Why is freenet not in debian?`
`02:56.22`	`sandman`	`Any legal issues?`
`02:56.28`	`caphuso`	`TwistedEmotions: looks correct. does it work when you replace the whole file with a simple "exec fluxbox"?`
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`02:56.37`	`gravity`	`Hrm, freenet used to be there`
`02:56.38`	`p8m`	`I wish freenet still worked with kaffe.`
`02:56.50`	`asg`	`sandman: type 'jobs' find the job number. Then, use fg %<number>`
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`02:56.54`	`gravity`	`Maybe its suckiness became infinite and it had to be removed`
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`02:57.06`	`asg`	`s/sandman/Snake-Eyes/`
`02:57.26`	`ebrooks`	`hi all`
`02:57.43`	`guru`	`Snake-Eyes: try jobs`
`02:58.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`caphuso: yeah... it actually loads the background then removed it..`
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`02:58.15`	`blaze`	`Hey all`
`02:58.20`	`guru`	`hello`
`02:58.26`	`blaze`	`How are you doing?`
`02:58.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`caphuso: deadcat found the problem last time and fixed it.. then I messed it up again I guess..`
`02:58.45`	`guru`	`blaze: i'll be doing much better in about 10 minutes...gotta use the restroom, brb`
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`02:58.51`	`caphuso`	`TwistedEmotions: "it" being what? and what background?`
`02:58.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`caphuso: I think something it out of order... like it loads the background then another program replaces it..`
`02:59.09`	`A3K`	`Well, I have a driver downloaded that might work, though I doubt it...now to figure out how to install it.`
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`02:59.26`	`Daemonic`	`anyone here use giftd?`
`02:59.27`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: you using Twice style?`
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`02:59.47`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: heh?`
`02:59.54`	`deadcat`	`what theme you using?`
`02:59.56`	`blaze`	`Does any one here who use mutt know what this error message means? " POP3< +OK blckend is offline. Showing you an empty mailbox. Sorry." ?`
`02:59.59`	`deadcat`	`Twice right?`
`03:00.14`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: oh no...`
`03:00.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: it flickers so I turned double buffer off`
`03:00.34`	`deadcat`	`well. your init file say yes. using linux user right?`
`03:00.35`	`ebrooks`	`can anyone tell me a straightforward way to roll back from unstable to stable?`
`03:00.40`	`caphuso`	`ebrooks: reinstall`
`03:00.45`	`luddite`	`lol`
`03:00.45`	`blaze`	`:P`
`03:00.48`	`klock`	`L:`
`03:00.49`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: you remember we fixed it last time?`
`03:00.50`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: no. fluxbox theme "Twice"`
`03:00.57`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: ohh..?`
`03:01.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I dont know?`
`03:01.04`	`Snake-Eyes`	`guru: nothing, some thing must have broke i guess`
`03:01.16`	`deadcat`	`let me just read your log here.`
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`03:01.43`	`caphuso`	`TwistedEmotions: well, i think deadcat is on the right track. either your fluxbox theme or something else in the fluxbox config replaces your background`
`03:01.46`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: your fluxbox is removing the bgimage right?`
`03:01.49`	`black_`	`where I can found information about making goods makefiles?`
`03:01.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`dammit I gotta go... parents are at my house for some fucking reason..`
`03:02.01`	`deadcat`	`(=`
`03:02.03`	`TwistedEmotions`	`be back later guys..`
`03:02.06`	`deadcat`	`k`
`03:02.10`	`ebrooks`	`caphuso... thanks... that's what i was afraid of...`
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`03:02.18`	`Daemonic`	`gnutella network sucks! why would it be so slow?! I haven't found /one/ person yet capable of more than 3kb/s! what the heck is wrong here?`
`03:02.27`	`deadcat`	`caphuso: he was talking about his bg being replaced right?`
`03:02.37`	`caphuso`	`deadcat: i think so`
`03:02.44`	`Deep6`	`anyone know the kernel driver for the realtek HD audio chip?`
`03:02.45`	`Daedalus_`	`ebrooks: pretty much... there's no real way to do it.`
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`03:03.19`	`deadcat`	`caphuso: ya. his ~/.fluxbox/init file is loading the Twice style in /usr/share/fluxbox/styles/Twice, and that files runs fbsetbg -solid blah. but since he setup his bgimage before fluxbox. it gets over-writtent`
`03:03.24`	`deadcat`	`!tell klock about away`
`03:04.25`	`black_`	`black is crazy about makefiles`
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`03:04.44`	`black_`	`somebody can help me?`
`03:04.50`	`deadcat`	`no`
`03:04.57`	`black_`	`I need a very complete guide to make a makefile`
`03:05.30`	`litage`	why would ``du -hcs /proc'' say 890mb? that's awfully large, isn't it?
`03:05.59`	`caphuso`	`litage: no, it isn't`
`03:06.10`	`litage`	`caphuso: that's normal?`
`03:06.14`	`deadcat`	`litage: VIRTUAL`
`03:06.21`	`litage`	`ah`
`03:06.23`	`caphuso`	`litage: with enough RAM, sure`
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`03:14.13`	`saabins`	`hello debians`
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`03:14.22`	`dvs`	`hamm says hello`
`03:14.51`	`blaa`	`hello ,dvs`
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`03:14.58`	`nse`	`Hello people! Is there a way to play videos in my TV which is plugged to videobord with some media player, and normal X in my monitor simultaneaously?`
`03:14.58`	`saabins`	`I have a script problem, need to delete blank lines after certain text is encountered`
`03:15.02`	`dvs`	`blaa: Hey`
`03:15.12`	`blaa`	`hello, nse`
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`03:15.42`	`blaa`	`dvs, where u from ?`
`03:15.50`	`guru`	`hmm...after i compiled my own custom kernel it locks up upon booting right after the message "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel."`
`03:15.53`	`nse`	`hello`
`03:15.56`	`guru`	`does anyone know what might cause this?`
`03:16.07`	`dvs`	`blaa: Uh, do you have a question?`
`03:16.21`	`Natman`	`guru: Possibly wrong CPU type selected (like you chose P4 when you have a P2)`
`03:16.22`	`dvs`	`Debian preferably`
`03:16.23`	`nse`	`dvs, I have.`
`03:16.31`	`blaa`	`dvs,yes`
`03:16.35`	`lunitik`	`guru: using initrd?`
`03:16.37`	`guru`	`Natman: hmm...what else would cause it`
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`03:16.41`	`guru`	`lunitik: yes`
`03:16.54`	`guru`	`lunitik: how do i make the initrd image?`
`03:17.00`	`dvs`	`nse: "Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?" doesn't count ;-)`
`03:17.05`	`lunitik`	`guru: it makes it automagically...`
`03:17.13`	`Natman`	`guru: or if you redirected the console output to another screen (console= in the bootloader)`
`03:17.15`	`lunitik`	`guru: take it you didn't point grub at that?`
`03:17.27`	`blaa`	`dvs, i want to learn debian?`
`03:17.31`	`guru`	`lunitik: i used make-kpkg`
`03:17.49`	`blaa`	`dvs , how do i do?`
`03:17.54`	`dvs`	`blaa: Have you installed it yet?`
`03:17.54`	`guru`	`sudo make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot binary`
`03:17.58`	`guru`	`that's the exact command i used`
`03:18.08`	`guru`	`well, minus the make-kpkg clean`
`03:18.12`	`lunitik`	`guru: yeah... dpkg -L the-deb-it-created.deb ... look at where the initrd went, and point grub at that...`
`03:19.16`	`blaa`	`dvs, hm..yep`
`03:19.28`	`guru`	`k, one sec while it boots into the previous kernel`
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`03:19.54`	`dvs`	`blaa: Then I'd just try and get stuff working like sound, the printer, the network, etc.`
`03:20.43`	`blaa`	`dvs, i want to learn about GUI for end-user.`
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`03:20.54`	`Kastyr`	`If you forget the --initrd option in the make-kpkg it doesn't automagically make the initrd, you have to make it yourself.`
`03:21.04`	`dvs`	`blaa: Which one GNOME or KDE?`
`03:21.06`	`sbk`	`folks -- any debian/emacs/gnuserv users? I get the following error http://channels.debian.net/paste/1118 when running gnuclient. (#emacs didn't have any specific ideas for this problem)`
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`03:21.17`	`blaa`	`dvs,GNOMe`
`03:21.25`	`guru`	`lunitik: no initrd`
`03:21.32`	`dvs`	`!gnome`
`03:21.33`	`dpkg`	`i guess gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>`
`03:21.41`	`dvs`	`!install gnome`
`03:21.42`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x>`
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`03:21.54`	`guru`	`!initrd`
`03:21.54`	`dpkg`	`from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230`
`03:22.03`	`Kastyr`	`guru: mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img(version number) (version number)`
`03:22.11`	`dvs`	`blaa: The most important thing to know is your EXACT video card and the monitor frequencies`
`03:22.18`	`Kastyr`	`guru: And then point grub at it.`
`03:22.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`sbk: you get that running gnuclient? what is the complete output?`
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`03:22.38`	`nse`	`dvs: I didn't understand you. that means yes?`
`03:23.29`	`dvs`	`nse: I've never tried pluggin in my TV to my video card.`
`03:23.36`	`blaze`	`Hey all, I am having trouble with fetchmail. running fetchmail succesfully logs onto the pop3 server, but it tells me I have no new mail ( which I actually do), and logs off. How can I correct this??`
`03:23.40`	`Daemonic`	`are there any .debs of limewire that any of you all know of?`
`03:24.04`	`Kastyr`	`Daemonic: Have you tried using gtk-gnutella?`
`03:24.26`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: yes. the speed incoming is /horrible/`
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`03:24.42`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: 3kb/s average and I'm on a rather speedy cable line.`
`03:24.52`	`nse`	`dvs: But is there a possibilty of doing this? regarding your X knowledge. A totem playing video in a TV output and the rest of X in the monitor. huh?`
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`03:25.05`	`guru`	`Kastyr: what package provides mkinitrd.yaird?`
`03:25.18`	`Kastyr`	`Daemonic: Hmm...I get decent speed off of it on my rather speedy cable line. Do you go through a router?`
`03:25.28`	`Kastyr`	`guru: The 'yaird' package.`
`03:25.35`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: yes, through a router.`
`03:25.41`	`guru`	`ahh ok`
`03:25.44`	`dvs`	`nse: I have no idea. I've never tried it.`
`03:25.54`	`nse`	`dvs: ok, thanks.`
`03:25.57`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: just for testing I set my ip as the DMZ and it made no difference.. I would think if it was a port issue that would clear it up.`
`03:26.07`	`guru`	`Kastyr: couldn't find the package`
`03:26.12`	`nse`	`dvs: I'll keep trying.`
`03:26.14`	`guru`	`Kastyr: i'm on sarge if that matters`
`03:26.16`	`nse`	`Hello people! Is there a way to play videos in my TV which is plugged to videobord with some media player, and normal X in my monitor simultaneaously?`
`03:26.18`	`dvs`	`nse: OK.`
`03:26.23`	`Kastyr`	`guru: I'm on testing.`
`03:26.33`	`Kastyr`	`guru: Try using the standard mkinitrd command, then.`
`03:26.38`	`blaze`	`Any one have any ideas on my fetchmail issue. I used the fetchmailconf expert mode inorde to fine tune the rc file, and I double checked the rc file and it all looks alright, yet it still will not retrieve my mail.`
`03:27.08`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: any ideas?`
`03:27.13`	`Kastyr`	`Daemonic: I had to go in and set up some port forwarding.`
`03:27.22`	`blaze`	`Daemonic any ideas?`
`03:27.48`	`blaze`	`!`
`03:27.48`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: which ports if you wouldn't mind? ...and if I setup my ip as the DMZ wouldn't that be the same as allowing all ports?`
`03:28.13`	`Kastyr`	`Daemonic: I'm not sure about the DMZ thing, but the port is 8235.`
`03:28.56`	`Natman`	`blaze: what does your fetchmailrc look like (don't paste here, use http://channels.debian.net/paste/)`
`03:29.09`	`guru`	`Kastyr: nope, same results`
`03:29.12`	`Kastyr`	`nse: Yes, I think. Don't ask me how exactly, but I had an old roommate who played his Dreamcast through the TV tuner card on his Mandrake box.`
`03:29.19`	`Kastyr`	`guru: Kernel panic?`
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`03:29.33`	`guru`	`Kastyr: i'm presuming so, but there's nothing on the screen`
`03:29.40`	`guru`	`nothing relevant that is`
`03:29.57`	`Kastyr`	`guru: And you made sure to point grub at it?`
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`03:30.17`	`guru`	`yeah, i used update-grub and edited menu.list to make sure`
`03:30.29`	`chris__`	`can i do a network installation with a wireless card or do i need a full iso?`
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`03:30.35`	`blaze`	`opps!`
`03:30.45`	`blaze`	`what was that dump site again please?`
`03:30.48`	`guru`	`chris__: if the card is supported, yes`
`03:30.55`	`guru`	`blaze: rafb.net/paste`
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`03:30.57`	`Natman`	`blaze: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ is one of them`
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`03:31.06`	`chris__`	`it is`
`03:31.26`	`guru`	`Kastyr: mind taking a look at my .config to see if maybe i left something out or included something weird?`
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`03:31.35`	`moua`	`does anyone know a usenet software made for binaries ? (with gui)`
`03:32.13`	`chris__`	`is oo.org2 backported?`
`03:32.20`	`Daemonic`	`Kastyr: no good.. still on average 3/4kb/s`
`03:32.26`	`Kastyr`	`guru: I probably wouldn't be much help. I could give it a shot.`
`03:32.34`	`guru`	`ok`
`03:32.38`	`blockd`	`moua: klibido, but I found that too unstable to use. BNR3 but that falls into the same category.`
`03:32.39`	`guru`	`i'm going to try one more thing first though`
`03:33.04`	`sbk`	`dondelelcaro: that's the message in the running emacs (from the Message buffer) gnuclient itself just silently returns`
`03:33.04`	`blockd`	`moua: or BNR2 or something... Pan is OK unless you're talking millions of headers.`
`03:33.07`	`moua`	`blockd, thanks, i will try`
`03:33.36`	`blaze`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/ftV2LG58.html`
`03:33.42`	`Kastyr`	`Daemonic: Hmmm...I think you're right about it being gtk-gnutella then. I don't really know of any Limewire clients. I moved to using torrents a while back.`
`03:33.44`	`blaze`	`please look its my fetchmailrc file`
`03:33.58`	`guru`	`Kastyr: i'm betting it's something simple`
`03:34.13`	`Kastyr`	`guru: It /always/ is.`
`03:34.13`	`guru`	`but my workstation locks up on kernel 2.6.12 as well (from a default apt binary)`
`03:34.27`	`blockd`	`nse: what card do you have? If it's ATI then they have something called overlay theater mode which should do what you have in mind... but whether it's supported on Linux is another thing.`
`03:34.49`	`moua`	`blockd, binaries usualy involve millions of headers ;)`
`03:34.52`	`blockd`	`I'm pretty sure nVidia has something like that too... but again I don't know about Linux support.`
`03:34.58`	`blaze`	`Any ideas on my .rc file?`
`03:35.02`	`Kastyr`	`guru: I just really got into compiling kernels by hand the past couple of days. I was running 2.6.12 just fine, and went through alot of trouble similar to yours before getting a custom 2.6.14.2 working.`
`03:35.11`	`sbk`	`dondelelcaro: and more specifically, it happens when I attempt to do it from a tty window (ie, I ssh into the box with the running emacs, and then try to run gnuclient.) I think I've isolated the section of code where it's bombing, but not really sure how to fix this`
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`03:35.59`	`blockd`	`moua: eh, depends :-) But there Pan is useless as it can want about a gig of ram. Supposedly the CVS version is better for that.. but there's still no good binary newsreader for linux IMO.`
`03:36.14`	`Natman`	`blaze: so it doesn't ever download anything?`
`03:36.16`	`sbk`	`dondelelcaro: I can also reproduce it via "gnuclient -nw"`
`03:36.30`	`blaze`	`nope`
`03:36.34`	`guru`	`Kastyr: i know, it's outrageous how complex it can be at times`
`03:36.34`	`blaze`	`hasn't ever`
`03:36.44`	`blaze`	`and it logs in, it just says I have no new mail.`
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`03:37.31`	`blaze`	`and i am on many high volume mailing lists if any of you all know what i am saying :P`
`03:37.36`	`blockd`	`blaze: I know for the gmail pop server I had to configure it to offer all available mail... not just mail after a certain date.`
`03:37.50`	`blockd`	`blaze: just suggesting that it could be something server-side, not fetchmail.`
`03:37.51`	`Kastyr`	`guru: It really seems to have paid off, though. Things run really smoothly, and I've noticed a bit of difference in performance.`
`03:37.51`	`blaze`	`^^`
`03:37.55`	`Hawkwind`	`Is there a way to list all the running services and if they are to start at boot time or not. I'm coming from Mandriva and they had a chkconfig --list to list all services on the system`
`03:38.10`	`blaze`	`What could it be/`
`03:38.26`	`blaze`	`I saw something about me not having any "backend"`
`03:38.29`	`blaze`	`what does that mean?`
`03:38.44`	`blaze`	`What other programs must I have configured for fetchmail to work?`
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`03:39.13`	`guru`	`ok, i have got to share this typo with you...`
`03:39.26`	`guru`	`soup apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2`
`03:39.38`	`guru`	`and with that i think it's time for food`
`03:39.44`	`Kastyr`	`Heheh. I almost didn't catch that at first.`
`03:40.35`	`guru`	`neither did i until bash started complaining`
`03:40.52`	`Natman`	`blaze: only fetchmail and then a program to deliver it. (you have procmail listed, I just send it to sendmail)`
`03:40.59`	`moua`	`i don't find bnr2 package :(`
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`03:41.08`	`blockd`	`there probably isn't one`
`03:41.11`	`blaze`	`will sendmail work?`
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`03:41.17`	`blaze`	`and what commands must I pass it?`
`03:41.20`	`blockd`	`just google for it "bnr == binary news reaper/reader"`
`03:41.34`	`nekostar`	`what would cause debian to not use my full 5.1 speaker configuration?`
`03:41.38`	`nekostar`	`its using 3.1`
`03:41.47`	`mhall`	`Kastyr: what paid off`
`03:42.00`	`Natman`	`blaze: I have: mda "/usr/bin/sendmail myLinuxLogin"`
`03:42.09`	`blaze`	`ahh thanks`
`03:42.30`	`blockd`	`moua: I've heard bnr2 (not bnr3) has a tendancy to trash its header database about every week though...`
`03:43.04`	`blaze`	`grr, sendmail it only for root.`
`03:43.09`	`saabins`	`guys how to add a new empty line after "abcdef" text is encountered in a script? sed how?`
`03:43.23`	`blaze`	`How do I change its permisions to allow for my user to acces it again?`
`03:43.34`	`blaze`	`s/acces/access`
`03:44.50`	`guru`	`sometimes i feel like microsoft is the source of all my problems because they're mad that i refuse to submit to being a tool and run an operating system that actually "operates" my computer instead of running a videogame that does what it wants to my computer`
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`03:45.01`	`Natman`	`blaze: as root: chmod 755 /usr/bin/sendmail`
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`03:45.46`	`blaze`	`for some reason sendmail is in sbin`
`03:46.03`	`Natman`	`then use that...`
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`03:46.18`	`blaze`	`the rc file is for a nonroot user`
`03:46.26`	`Natman`	`okay, remove the line that says "set syslog"... that's redireting all output away form the console`
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`03:46.44`	`foo`	`Does debian have dependencies?`
`03:46.47`	`Natman`	`then at least you should get some output`
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`03:48.00`	`blaze`	`can I copy sendmail from sbin to /usr/bin just like a normal program?`
`03:48.06`	`blaze`	`and then chmod 755 it?`
`03:48.45`	`Natman`	`no, run "ln -s /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/bin/sendmail" to link it`
`03:49.20`	`blaze`	`thanks nat!`
`03:49.23`	`Natman`	`btw, you did enable POP in gmail, right?`
`03:49.29`	`blaze`	`yeah`
`03:49.33`	`Natman`	`okay`
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`03:49.35`	`blaze`	`I have been getting pop for ages`
`03:49.37`	`Natman`	`so, what's the output now?`
`03:50.05`	`blaze`	`No mail1`
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`03:50.12`	`blaze`	`still...`
`03:50.28`	`Natman`	`did you remove the "set syslog" line in your rc?`
`03:50.31`	`blockd`	`blaze: could it be what I suggested... it just sounds like the same problem I initially had with gmail`
`03:50.35`	`blaze`	`yeah.`
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`03:50.46`	`blaze`	`blockd how did you resolve your problem?`
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`03:51.00`	`blockd`	`blaze: there's a setting where you tell it to give you all your mail or all mail after a certain date.`
`03:51.08`	`blockd`	`radio button IIRC`
`03:51.10`	`blaze`	`well like I said, I get 30 emails a day`
`03:52.01`	`mhall`	`hey kingsley_ i'm going to drink a guinness in your honor`
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`03:52.29`	`blaze`	`this is quite odd.`
`03:52.36`	`blockd`	`blaze: I get more than that subscribed to mailing lists and I get them all... so I'd rule out the quantity being the problem :-)`
`03:53.00`	`blaze`	`do you remember which option it was/`
`03:53.08`	`blockd`	`let me check gmail...`
`03:53.09`	`mfrisch`	`blaze my logs make more mail`
`03:53.23`	`Natman`	`it's in settings, under POP/forwarding`
`03:53.27`	`blaze`	`?`
`03:53.30`	`Natman`	`u can set "Disabled, All, or only new"`
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`03:53.56`	`Natman`	`I just enabled all, and your rc file works fine for me (except I changed bouncemail to "no")`
`03:53.57`	`blanky`	`I'm running ubuntu, but I feel an urge to try something more...pure...original, if you get what I mean`
`03:54.12`	`blaze`	`ahh i see what you mean`
`03:54.13`	`blanky`	`So I feel like trying Debian`
`03:54.53`	`blanky`	`But I dont have space, can I resize my drive partition, install it, and then judging by the one I like most, resize the one I dont like to 0 so the one I like takes up all the space again?`
`03:54.57`	`blaze`	`that did it! thank you blockd , and Natman .`
`03:55.20`	`mhall`	`kingsley_: i got my 14ozer right here at my desk`
`03:55.23`	`mhall`	`kingsley_: cheers`
`03:55.28`	`Natman`	`np`
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`03:59.14`	`blockd`	`honestly I'm not sure why gmail even gives you that option... you'd think mail clients could handle it themselves...`
`03:59.44`	`Natman`	`that's not how POP is designed though... I wish they would just implement IMAP.`
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`04:00.45`	`blockd`	`ah, I haven't read up on pop but just from experience I haven't noticed it redownloading all the mail...`
`04:00.48`	`blanky`	`s there any debian to ubuntu comparison charts or anything, not to see which is better or anything, just there few differences, besides the 'ubuntu is bakced up by a company'`
`04:01.00`	`A3K`	`well... I found the directions on how to build a driver module for my wireless card, but I am having trouble locating the source to my kernel...it is not where I would think it should be.`
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`04:01.28`	`blockd`	`although I suppose that could be an extension, since it's not unusuall to delete retrieved mail, hence "pop"`
`04:01.41`	`A3K`	`I know... I am oozing with newbie green-ness`
`04:02.06`	`Natman`	`blockd: normally pop does delete all retrieved mail... but blaze had the "keep" option set...`
`04:02.06`	`blockd`	`*unusual`
`04:02.13`	`A3K`	`but hey, at least I am not on here asking where the build-a-kernel wizard is!`
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`04:02.45`	`Natman`	`A3K: In /usr/src/?`
`04:02.50`	`Tortel`	`Goodnight`
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`04:03.45`	`blockd`	`Natman: yep, just thinking I should eventually read up on the protocol.`
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`04:03.54`	`A3K`	`back...`
`04:03.59`	`Natman`	`blockd: ah`
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`04:04.17`	`Natman`	`A3K: In /usr/src usually... after you've got the package of course.`
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`04:05.26`	`Kastyr`	`A3K: Orinoco card?`
`04:05.37`	`A3K`	`no. TI ACX100`
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`04:07.00`	`A3K`	`all the folders are empty in usr/src`
`04:07.04`	`A3K`	`:/`
`04:07.20`	`Kastyr`	`Either pick up the kernel source, or pick up a package for the kernel source. Google it.`
`04:07.33`	`Kastyr`	`But compiling a kernel for the first time is always fun.`
`04:07.47`	`A3K`	`I dloaded the package but there is a ton of crap in it...not sure what is what`
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`04:08.21`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!test`
`04:08.21`	`dpkg`	`Yes, twistedemotions, you're still online.`
`04:08.51`	`Kastyr`	`Is it something like linux-2.6.14.2.tar.bz2?`
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`04:09.12`	`Kastyr`	`If so, just move it into /usr/src.`
`04:09.15`	`A3K`	`that is the tar, yes. When I view it there is a bunch of crap in it`
`04:09.20`	`blaze`	`So what desktop applets do you all use?`
`04:09.31`	`jayeola`	`conky!`
`04:09.35`	`jayeola`	`and that's it`
`04:09.41`	`blaze`	`whats that?`
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`04:10.25`	`A3K`	`oh...I was expecting something like linux-2.6.8.2.src`
`04:10.28`	`A3K`	`:)`
`04:10.47`	`Kastyr`	`A3K: Move it into /usr/src, go to a terminal, sudo tar -xvf linux-2.6.8.2.tar.gz, go into the directory and make xconfig to start ya off.`
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`04:11.10`	`jayeola`	`blaze: http://wiki.blagblagblag.org/Torsmo`
`04:11.11`	`blockd`	`since it's *.bz2, use tar jxf`
`04:11.27`	`Kastyr`	`I didn't need to use the j...`
`04:12.14`	`mhall`	`woo fucking hoo`
`04:12.25`	`blockd`	`shouldn't "tar xvf" only extract it if it ends in .tar (vs .tar.bz2).`
`04:12.25`	`A3K`	`erk... I am not wanting to compile it for use, but I need to source to build the driver module...is that right?`
`04:12.26`	`mhall`	`so many fucking tests; so little fucking time`
`04:12.35`	`mhall`	`my professors are a bunch of dicks`
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`04:13.06`	`thc`	`laalaa lala la laaa, laaa lala lalaaaaaa!`
`04:13.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: hahaha you go to a UC too huh?`
`04:13.11`	`thc`	`!smurfs++`
`04:13.20`	`thc`	`mhall: squirt visine in their coffee.`
`04:13.22`	`blockd`	`Kastyr: you probably didn't, but A3K said he has a *.tar.bz2 file, so that's why I mentioned the "j" option.`
`04:13.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`thc: what does that do?`
`04:13.48`	`thc`	`TwistedEmotions: gives you the worst diarreah you have ever had.`
`04:14.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ohh.. that's just funny... would be damn ironic if it blinded them..`
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`04:14.15`	`thc`	`and i don't care if i spelled that right.`
`04:14.30`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: no private univ`
`04:14.36`	`blockd`	`Kastyr: or maybe you did... but nm, it's nothing important.`
`04:14.41`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: i went on internship and just came back to a very hard semester`
`04:14.46`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: i'm getting my ass kicked`
`04:14.55`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: Ahhh... which university if you dont mind me asking?`
`04:15.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: major?`
`04:15.21`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: prog lang and comp theory, stats, adv german grammar, and intro to macro econ`
`04:15.28`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: major cs minor german`
`04:15.37`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: university of the pacific, stockton, ca`
`04:15.49`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: your nuts... hahaha!`
`04:16.19`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: yeah i am`
`04:16.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stockton.. your like a hour away ;)`
`04:16.30`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: i got stats in the bag mostly`
`04:16.34`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: where are you at`
`04:16.41`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: prog lang, one project left`
`04:16.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: I hate CS :P Im a bio major ;)`
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`04:16.56`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: comp theory, huge stack of late assignments still to do`
`04:17.00`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: UCDavis...`
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`04:17.02`	`Kastyr`	`I feel bad for being worn out as a CIS:Unix major at Tulsa Community.`
`04:17.03`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: adv german is not too bad`
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`04:17.14`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: econ is sux0r; i swore i'd never take it again`
`04:17.15`	`blockd`	`TwistedEmotions: there might still be time to go into bioinformatics ;)`
`04:17.20`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: but that's before i met GE`
`04:17.31`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: I hate Bio :P Im a CS major ;)`
`04:17.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mhall: hahah econ is boring not hard..`
`04:17.50`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: I swore in HS I'd never take Bio, never take another Chem, and never take another Econ`
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`04:17.58`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: I succeeded in Bio and Chem but not Econ`
`04:17.59`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I like computers too much to screw it up by studying them..`
`04:18.07`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: Two outta three ain't hella bad. :-D`
`04:18.22`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: Yeah I won't go into development. I'll save it for a hobby.`
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`04:18.43`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: I'm probably going to go work into IT Mgmt. and get grad degree in Info. Science`
`04:19.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`blockd: I dont want to do anything with technology... doesnt appeal to me as a rest of my life kind of thing...`
`04:19.04`	`Kastyr`	`I like studying computers, but too much to screw it up by realling pursuing a real career in it. Maybe consulting or something.`
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`04:19.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Kastyr: that's what I mean... but without the consulting ;)`
`04:19.35`	`Varanger`	`do you know what is the difference between ia64 and amd64 ??`
`04:19.47`	`SimonRaven`	`2 letters`
`04:19.57`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Varanger: one is ia the other adm.`
`04:20.00`	`TwistedEmotions`	`?`
`04:20.12`	`mhall`	`TwistedEmotions: consulting: when you're not part of the sol'n there is $ to be made by prolonging the problem`
`04:20.12`	`nixUX`	`How much breakage using the experimental gnome packages?`
`04:20.14`	`Varanger`	`TwistedEmotions: and what about tecnologies?`
`04:20.17`	`A3K`	`had to shell so I could use root to move it...I was mistaken it is a .tar.gz`
`04:20.27`	`blockd`	`tar zxf`
`04:20.35`	`blockd`	`z for gzip j for bzip2`
`04:20.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!tell Varanger about ia64`
`04:20.44`	`SimonRaven`	`!tar`
`04:20.44`	`dpkg`	`Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory"`
`04:20.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!tell Varanger about amd64`
`04:20.48`	`Kastyr`	`A3K: I'm not sure exactly how to just get modules out of it, but best of luck to you.`
`04:20.57`	`A3K`	`eheh`
`04:21.01`	`A3K`	`gee :)`
`04:21.17`	`Gumby`	`can anyone here tell me if there is a debian gui app that will show me services and allow me to start/stop them?`
`04:21.33`	`Varanger`	`TwistedEmotions: thanks!`
`04:22.06`	`nixUX`	`Gumby, in the gnome menu/Desktop/Administraion, services`
`04:22.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Varanger: ;)`
`04:22.42`	`Gumby`	`nixUX: I am looking for something independant of gnome or kde. heck, it doesnt even have to be a gui`
`04:22.53`	`blockd`	`rcconf maybe`
`04:23.09`	`nixUX`	`Gumby, you mean like YaST?, no`
`04:23.58`	`Gumby`	`nixUX: sort of, but just the service list is all I am looking for. Its for a user that is use to the chkconfig --list option available in mandriva`
`04:24.19`	`A3K`	`so what is the preferred window manager for most folks?`
`04:24.24`	`Gumby`	`lists all potential services and run levels and whether they start in that runlevel or not.`
`04:24.33`	`litage`	do you run ``mdadm --zero-superblock'' on /dev/sdX or /dev/mdX?
`04:24.54`	`nixUX`	`A3K, choice :-)`
`04:25.24`	`nixUX`	`I much prefer GNOME`
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`04:25.49`	`Gumby`	`I like KDE and flux. But its really personal preference`
`04:25.52`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: why?`
`04:26.04`	`nixUX`	`to many to list`
`04:26.14`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: ok :)`
`04:26.28`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: good answer to get out of answering ;)`
`04:26.39`	`nixUX`	`without looking like flaming KDE :-)`
`04:27.10`	`Kastyr`	`I've really taking a love to Flux.`
`04:27.28`	`Kastyr`	`taking=taken`
`04:28.57`	`nixUX`	`lightbright, nautilus sparital mode, themes, easy install of themes, gnome panel, gtk+ apps in general, GUI, minimal, and many more reasons`
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`04:29.16`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: cool`
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`04:29.30`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: whats nautilus sparital mode?`
`04:29.32`	`blockd`	`maybe I'm missing something but I never saw a way to type in a file path directly in nautilus...`
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`04:30.02`	`nixUX`	`blockd, thats the missconception`
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`04:30.19`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: how do I use nautilus sparital mode?`
`04:30.20`	`nixUX`	`lightbright, it's the browser mode with the actions`
`04:30.29`	`nixUX`	`without*`
`04:31.14`	`lightbright`	`nixUX: sounds good`
`04:31.17`	`lightbright`	`how I turn it on?`
`04:31.20`	`nixUX`	`imagine using a button at the bottem to move though directories with opens the same window`
`04:31.45`	`nixUX`	`it's default in debian`
`04:31.54`	`SimonRaven`	`blockd: 'browsing' mode`
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`04:32.13`	`Morydd`	`evening.`
`04:32.25`	`nixUX`	`blockd, it's ctrl, L in spartal mode`
`04:32.47`	`SimonRaven`	`in 2.12 the location bar is buttons, but when you type ^l it changes to a location bar a la web browser`
`04:32.55`	`nixUX`	`brings up a location box with your current path in`
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`04:33.39`	`buns`	`what's the command to clear your apt-cache ??`
`04:33.49`	`luddite`	`apt-get clean`
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`04:33.59`	`nixUX`	`Spartial takes up at least half less screen space as well`
`04:34.01`	`buns`	`oooh apt-get...thx`
`04:34.10`	`luddite`	`no probs`
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`04:35.13`	`buns`	`is there an easy way to go about mounting a network drive (that is also a linux machine) ??`
`04:35.30`	`buns`	`im assuming i use samba`
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`04:35.44`	`blockd`	`mount can do samba, but uses a helper program`
`04:36.54`	`buns`	`blockd, have any ideas as to which helper program that is?`
`04:36.55`	`Tchiak`	`what's a good gnome program for controlling samba\`
`04:37.19`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah man`
`04:37.47`	`mhall`	`buns: mount -t smbfs \\server_ip\share /mount/dir`
`04:37.56`	`mhall`	`buns: make sure you have smbmount`
`04:38.09`	`mhall`	`buns: and if it doesn't work recompile kernel with SMB and CIFS drivers`
`04:38.23`	`buns`	`alright thanks`
`04:38.53`	`mhall`	`buns: be prepared to tinker a little`
`04:39.15`	`mhall`	`Tchiak: the samba share demon or the client drive mount demons`
`04:39.27`	`mhall`	`Tchiak: people get the two confused they're not really the same`
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`04:40.16`	`buns`	`mhall, smbmount where do i get that?`
`04:40.26`	`mhall`	`buns: one sec; double checking`
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`04:40.40`	`reuq`	`whats a command line audio utility that would take pretty much any common audio file`
`04:40.42`	`Morydd`	`anyone connected a windows pocket pc device to linux?`
`04:40.47`	`reuq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:40.48`	`mhall`	`buns: smbfs package`
`04:40.55`	`mhall`	`buns: apt-get it`
`04:40.55`	`buns`	`oh ok..i just installed that`
`04:41.01`	`buns`	`so i should be good`
`04:41.07`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah you are covered unless kernel is weird`
`04:41.16`	`buns`	`do i need to create a smbfs folder?`
`04:41.18`	`mhall`	`buns: the default kernels oughta have support though`
`04:41.28`	`mhall`	`buns: you can create a new mount dir for it if ya like`
`04:41.28`	`buns`	`it's the latest kernel`
`04:41.39`	`buns`	`would i need to specify anything in fstab?`
`04:41.40`	`mhall`	`buns: or if it's for tmp use just use /mnt`
`04:41.45`	`mhall`	`buns: not if you do it as root`
`04:41.49`	`buns`	`oh ok`
`04:41.50`	`mhall`	`buns: but you can if you want`
`04:41.56`	`Tchiak`	`i'm looking for a gnome gui for the mount shares`
`04:42.01`	`mhall`	`buns: like if you want to make it user mountable etc`
`04:42.02`	`buns`	`mhall, okay`
`04:42.03`	`Tchiak`	`over network`
`04:42.07`	`mhall`	`Tchiak: ah hmm`
`04:42.18`	`buns`	`mhall, i'm going to try to do that`
`04:42.22`	`mhall`	`Tchiak: perhaps #gnome also`
`04:42.31`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah i say experiment on /mnt first`
`04:42.35`	`mhall`	`buns: then do the rest once it works`
`04:42.43`	`thc`	`s/#gnome/irc.gnome.org/g`
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`04:43.11`	`mhall`	`Tchiak: also irc.gnome.org's #gnome as thc says`
`04:43.15`	`nixUX`	`Tchiak, shares-admin`
`04:43.22`	`mhall`	`Tchiak: i'm a kde guy so can't help ya much`
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`04:43.27`	`nixUX`	`in the gnome menu`
`04:43.55`	`thc`	`Tchiak: nautilus has a built in samba client that will show you all the shares`
`04:44.12`	`nixUX`	`thats what shares-admin is`
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`04:44.32`	`nixUX`	`run gksu shares-admin`
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`04:44.58`	`linux-noob`	`What programs allow me to access file on a windows machine?`
`04:45.01`	`buns`	`mhall, do i need to enable sharing on the host machine ?`
`04:45.10`	`buns`	`of course it must have samba`
`04:45.40`	`blockd`	`linux-noob: linux can read the ntfs filesystem.`
`04:46.24`	`A3K`	`oh well... I give up on the wireless card for tonight... I am going to try to get Esword working`
`04:46.59`	`blockd`	`linux-noob: or unless you mean remotely... see the conversation about smbfs or samba above ;)`
`04:47.18`	`nixUX`	`and partial write support`
`04:47.21`	`linux-noob`	`blockd: How do I access the machine?`
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`04:53.05`	`secher`	`wow, quiet night.`
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`04:53.57`	`secher`	`!start a flame war`
`04:54.05`	`secher`	`! start a flame war`
`04:54.11`	`jayeola`	`i hate emacs :P`
`04:54.12`	`secher`	`apt start a flame war`
`04:54.13`	`apt`	`Nedit is the best editor around!`
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`04:54.35`	`secher`	`jayeola: so do I, but that's beside the point. <grin>`
`04:54.43`	`nixUX`	`KDE is sh*t, crap, sucks , GNOME rules`
`04:54.55`	`nixUX`	`die`
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`04:55.18`	`nixUX`	`die`
`04:55.24`	`nixUX`	`just die`
`04:55.27`	`mhall`	`!zoosmite nixUX`
`04:55.29`	`nixUX`	`:-)`
`04:56.07`	`blockd`	`who needs a window manager? An xterm stuck in the corner ought to be good enough for anybody.`
`04:56.10`	`falkon`	`Hey, I've got a bit of an issue. I have one program that needs libqt3c102-mt and one that needs libqt3-mt I know the first is stable. What do I do here about the conflicts?`
`04:56.14`	`secher`	`why do you all use those things? just use fvwm, or wm95`
`04:56.18`	`gaasfet`	`!fuck nixUX`
`04:56.31`	`nixUX`	`nice`
`04:56.43`	`secher`	`Sweet.`
`04:56.53`	`gaasfet`	`!fuck nixUX`
`04:57.45`	`jayeola`	`SCO, the most linux-friendly company in the world :P`
`04:57.45`	`secher`	`apt botsmite nixUX`
`04:57.51`	`secher`	`LOL.`
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`04:58.01`	`mhall`	`!zoosmite nixUX`
`04:58.02`	`dpkg`	`Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, nixUX loves the zoo!`
`04:58.24`	`gaasfet`	`lol`
`04:58.33`	`secher`	`SCO sucks dead moose cock. Frequently. With pleasure.`
`04:58.35`	`mhall`	`perhaps kingsley_ censored my smite`
`04:58.41`	`mhall`	`!mhallsmite SCO`
`04:58.51`	`foo`	`If I am on stable, and have unstable and testing sources... and I want to know a package version from unstable ... what would I do?`
`04:59.04`	`mhall`	`secher: that work for you or what? h3h`
`04:59.16`	`secher`	`mhall: quite. <grin>`
`04:59.29`	`gaasfet`	`!fuck SCO`
`04:59.31`	`mhall`	`secher: word to your legal guardian, of the female sex`
`04:59.48`	`secher`	`foo: I don't know, but why would you do that to your self?`
`05:00.17`	`foo`	`secher: Do what? I have all three because some packages I want the newest .. so I grab from the unstable ... but I want to know what version it is`
`05:00.21`	`secher`	`foo prolly something to do with apt-cache. try man apt-cache or man apt-get`
`05:00.28`	`foo`	`secher: right`
`05:01.04`	`mhall`	`kingsley_ the cock knocking smite censorizer`
`05:01.12`	`mhall`	`fuck ya man`
`05:01.24`	`A3K`	`ehem...`
`05:01.30`	`nixUX`	`dpkg, as long as it's the woman, I dont care :-)`
`05:01.32`	`mhall`	`A3K: ?`
`05:01.39`	`A3K`	`interesting use of colorful metaphors around here`
`05:01.41`	`mhall`	`!agree nixUX`
`05:01.41`	`dpkg`	`nixUX: Word to your legal guardian-- of the female sex.`
`05:01.48`	`secher`	`foo: with multi level installs, you're asking for trouble. Decide on a release and stick with it.`
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`05:02.11`	`mhall`	`A3K: well consider the source: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/profanity`
`05:02.17`	`nixUX`	`I'd rather use Windows then KDE, since KDE is a clone anyway :-D`
`05:02.26`	`mhall`	`A3K: after all it's not like you're talking to fucking mhall or anything`
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`05:02.33`	`secher`	`foo: or don't. not my place to say, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. next time tell me to shut my mouth.`
`05:02.37`	`nixUX`	`ahahaha`
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`05:02.44`	`mhall`	`nixUX: surely thou dost jest`
`05:02.51`	`sidizen`	`if i run 'apt-get remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 --purge' will that fully remove kde?`
`05:03.04`	`nixUX`	`do it`
`05:03.12`	`mhall`	`sidizen: ah there is an ugly hack method of removing kde i discovered with some help from somebody`
`05:03.15`	`nixUX`	`it's better that way :-)`
`05:03.15`	`gaasfet`	`kde is fine`
`05:03.21`	`A3K`	`interesting mhall...`
`05:03.27`	`mhall`	`sidizen: the way you do it is that all the kde packages have the same version numbers`
`05:03.30`	`sidizen`	`i don't use kde so i don't want it on my computer`
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`05:03.53`	`falkon`	`I have a conflict between libqt3-mt and libqt3cl02-mt the first is newer, but I must use the second for certain programs. How do I resolve the conflict`
`05:04.01`	`mhall`	`sidizen: so you find all packages whose version number match the version number of an arbitrary kde package (in your case the two libs) and then you purge all packages that match`
`05:04.11`	`mhall`	`falkon: yeah that's called the abi conflict`
`05:04.11`	`secher`	`I'm about to begin building e17. I can't wait any longer for it.`
`05:04.13`	`A3K`	`Personally, I try to obstain from anything that might offend or mislead others, but that is just me...I learned a long time ago, IRC was not the realm for evangelism :)`
`05:04.15`	`sidizen`	`mhall: so my way should work?`
`05:04.16`	`gaasfet`	`i always have both kde and gnome, but gnome makes life hard`
`05:04.28`	`mhall`	`falkon: you have two identical libraries containing identical files`
`05:04.36`	`mhall`	`falkon: but compiled with incompatible C++ compilers`
`05:04.43`	`mhall`	`falkon: i assume you are using etch right`
`05:04.47`	`secher`	`what debian whispers to you in the shadows, you must shout from the rooftops.`
`05:04.58`	`mhall`	`falkon: there is not much you can do except wait a couple weeks for the recompiled packages to make it into etch`
`05:05.05`	`mhall`	`falkon: and you can try to build from source`
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`05:05.09`	`mhall`	`!tell falkon about source`
`05:05.10`	`nixUX`	`If debian came default with KDE I would have shot myself in the head :-O`
`05:05.31`	`falkon`	`mhall: this is going to sound weird, but I THINK I am. I installed with my sarge cd [which was testing at the time] and did apt-get distupgrade`
`05:05.33`	`mhall`	`falkon: sorry some asshole deleted source factoid`
`05:05.42`	`mhall`	`falkon: please hold on`
`05:05.47`	`falkon`	`mhall: so, I have no idea if I'm sarge or etch`
`05:05.53`	`sidizen`	`nixUX: yeah i don't really like KDE`
`05:06.06`	`mhall`	`falkon: well i'd have to say etch probably`
`05:06.10`	`sidizen`	`gnome is much better as is xfce4 and fluxbox`
`05:06.15`	`falkon`	`mhall: my sources.list [since sarge was testing] were all testing`
`05:06.17`	`mhall`	`falkon: cause in sarge this could not happen unless you did something VERY weird`
`05:06.20`	`nixUX`	`lmao`
`05:06.41`	`mhall`	`sidizen: it won't quite work you have to find ALL packs whose version matches either kdelibs`
`05:06.55`	`nixUX`	`sidizen, :-)`
`05:06.56`	`sidizen`	`mhall: are you sure it looks like it worked`
`05:06.59`	`falkon`	`mhall: well I did apt-get distupgrade and all my sources were testing`
`05:07.22`	`gaasfet`	`if Gnome had a tabbed file browser and context menu editing capabilities I could use it`
`05:07.23`	`sidizen`	`!remove kde`
`05:07.24`	`dpkg`	`remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde")`
`05:07.48`	`sidizen`	`gaasfet: it does with ubuntu...but you'd have to use ubuntu`
`05:07.52`	`mhall`	`sidizen: well there might be some more cruft around`
`05:08.03`	`mhall`	`falkon: right yeah probably you have got etch`
`05:08.12`	`falkon`	`ahh okay`
`05:08.12`	`sidizen`	`mhall: well anywyays it got rid of 300mbs of wasted space`
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`05:08.22`	`Gumby`	`can apt or dpkg show which package versions are available by version. I mean, if you have testing, unstable, stable apt sources setup is there a command to show, for example, which version of kdebase is in all?`
`05:08.27`	`mhall`	`sidizen: you can free more w/ deborphan command`
`05:08.33`	`falkon`	`mhall: little weird. sarge is running on this box and etch on the server`
`05:08.50`	`A3K`	`it is amazing to me that with the spendola that is being offered for a working port of Mozilla to AmigaOS, that no intrepid bedroom programmer has ported it.`
`05:09.13`	`sidizen`	`mhall: how is deborphan able to tell if i use a program`
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`05:09.38`	`sidizen`	`mhall: just because i haven't used it a 100 times doesn't mean that i wont' it removed`
`05:09.44`	`sidizen`	`want/wont'`
`05:09.45`	`caphuso`	`sidizen: because you tell it`
`05:09.49`	`nixUX`	`A3K, amiga OS was great :-)`
`05:09.53`	`secher`	`quick question. am getting "Fontconfig error : Cannot load default config file." I had a serious disk error a few days ago, and fixed everything but this error. where do I start?`
`05:10.02`	`mhall`	`sidizen: man the damn thing`
`05:10.17`	`mhall`	`falkon: yeah perhaps you did this around time of release`
`05:10.21`	`Hawkwind`	`secher: Google the error, lots of hits`
`05:10.40`	`gaasfet`	`sidizen: whats the name of the browser, you have to add ubuntu repositories?`
`05:10.44`	`Arsion`	`ok, I finally gave up on the rt2500 linux drivers and just went with the ndiswrapper. Now my wireless pci works perfectly, except for one slight problem. The box also has a built-in ethernet card and everytime the box boots, it ignores the wlan0 and tries to dhclient the eth0. How do I fix it to use wlan0 instead? I already have ndiswrapper starting at boot so that part is taken care of.`
`05:10.47`	`secher`	`Hawkwind, smartass.. <grin>`
`05:11.31`	`falkon`	`mhall: that's what I get for installing from a debian cd I had laying around`
`05:11.38`	`A3K`	`NixUX, I am tempted to buy one of the Amiga PPC systems to try out the new native PPC port. I just wish the hardware was not already 2 years out of date.`
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`05:12.14`	`nixUX`	`A3K, sorry I used it over 10 years ago :-)`
`05:12.33`	`A3K`	`nix: No, I mean the new OS release`
`05:12.44`	`A3K`	`2005 for the new PPC systems`
`05:12.53`	`mhall`	`falkon: oh well it will settle down on its own in a week or two if you keep updating and dist-upgrading.`
`05:12.54`	`nixUX`	`yer, but it's just the same`
`05:12.59`	`A3K`	`nah`
`05:13.03`	`mhall`	`falkon: They fixed it already in experimental / sid.`
`05:13.06`	`sidizen`	`falkon: troubles with sid?`
`05:13.10`	`mhall`	`falkon: So now it's trickling to testing.`
`05:13.14`	`A3K`	`many new features`
`05:13.15`	`mhall`	`sidizen: No, with etch.`
`05:13.19`	`sidizen`	`oh`
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`05:13.28`	`A3K`	`http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com`
`05:13.31`	`falkon`	`Arsion: etc /etc/network/interfaces`
`05:13.34`	`mhall`	`sidizen: They are doing C++ ABI change so he has stuff depending on the regular lib and the c2 lib at the same time.`
`05:13.40`	`falkon`	`Arsion: edit /etc/network/interfaces`
`05:13.40`	`sidizen`	`sid is the best!`
`05:13.40`	`fester`	`hello`
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`05:13.45`	`mhall`	`sidizen: But since you cannot have both installed this causes issues.`
`05:13.47`	`nixUX`	`A3K, sure but in it's day is was awseome`
`05:13.56`	`falkon`	`sidizen: I think I'm etch, actually`
`05:14.00`	`fester`	`iam trying to download debian but i cant find where`
`05:14.06`	`fester`	`there is like a mill dif files`
`05:14.07`	`sidizen`	`mhall: cool...does that mean gnome 2.12 will funnel down from experimental soon?`
`05:14.11`	`mhall`	`!tell falkon about source`
`05:14.23`	`falkon`	`sidizen: I gotta use libqt3c102-mt for skype, but everything else wants libqt3-mt`
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`05:14.27`	`mhall`	`sidizen: about this i am unsure because i do not know how far they let the versions evolve`
`05:14.38`	`mhall`	`falkon: best bet is to use rules i said about source to compile skype from source`
`05:14.42`	`Arsion`	`falkon: i already have that open, but i've not worked with wireless on that file yet. I have no idea what to put in there. Do I have to have the essid, mode, and WEP key in it? if so, how is it written...etc etc etc`
`05:14.42`	`sidizen`	`what is skype? i hear so many people talking about it`
`05:14.46`	`A3K`	`nix: I was using a PPC accelerator equipped system up until three years ago as my primary system, but the context switching killed the performance.`
`05:14.49`	`fester`	`hello`
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`05:14.54`	`fester`	`where do i get woody from`
`05:14.54`	`mhall`	`falkon: then you can probably get it to use normal qt3 instead of c2 qt3`
`05:15.03`	`mhall`	`falkon: but i cannot guarantee it'll work you just must try yourself`
`05:15.09`	`A3K`	`the new OS is native PPC running on PPC hardware with no context switches`
`05:15.14`	`nixUX`	`2.13.2 is very stable for deve, so 2.12.1 is`
`05:15.17`	`mhall`	`falkon: however if it does not work it will not fuck up anything for you`
`05:15.34`	`Daemonic`	`Anyone know of an apt source for e17? if it's already been built on debian I'd rather get it from a repo if there might be one..?`
`05:15.38`	`Arsion`	`falken: also, will it auto send the essid etc etc commands through ifconfig or iwconfig?`
`05:15.39`	`fester420`	`hello`
`05:15.41`	`gaasfet`	`http://www.davesdaily.com/pictures/22-bush.htm`
`05:15.47`	`fester420`	`where do i get woody at`
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`05:16.09`	`mhall`	`gaasfet: transistors have senses of humor`
`05:16.12`	`fester420`	`i looked on debian.org`
`05:16.14`	`falkon`	`mhall: how do I get it to? the problem is, it won't install via apt, because there's a "conflict"`
`05:16.29`	`falkon`	`err actually i have the .deb pkg and dpkg is telling me that`
`05:16.31`	`fester420`	`HELLO`
`05:16.32`	`mhall`	`gaasfet: next thing i know you littler bastards will pass the turing test and qwn t3h pl4n3t`
`05:16.39`	`secher`	`Lets try this again. I already googled for a solution to this error, to no avail. I had a disk error a couple days ago, and I fixed everything else save this little hassle "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file". I've reinstalled fontconfig to no avail, and google is not being much help. Ideas?`
`05:16.47`	`mhall`	`falkon: dude, read fucking bot fact please`
`05:16.55`	`fester420`	`guys where do i get debian woody`
`05:16.57`	`falkon`	`mhall: i did`
`05:17.05`	`secher`	`it happens generally when I load things like ethereal and firefox.`
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`05:17.09`	`mhall`	`falkon: you can rebuild package from source and if the source was put together right by dev then you can install the rebuilt package`
`05:17.15`	`fester420`	`o jesus christ`
`05:17.17`	`sidizen`	`fester420: you can still get that?`
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`05:17.30`	`fester420`	`ill use sarge`
`05:17.32`	`fester420`	`whatever`
`05:17.33`	`falkon`	`mhall: I don't understand which one I'm supposed to build from source. If skype is the one trying to use old QT, should I build skype from source?`
`05:17.34`	`mhall`	`falkon: if you read directions, none of those things will cause dependency failure in theory`
`05:17.41`	`fester420`	`where do i get sarge at`
`05:17.42`	`mhall`	`falkon: yeah the skype`
`05:17.46`	`falkon`	`mhall: thanks`
`05:17.49`	`mhall`	`falkon: BTW it's not trying to use old qt`
`05:17.51`	`Arsion`	`fester420: sarge is stable now and you get it at debian.org`
`05:17.53`	`sidizen`	`fester420: get it at www.debian.org`
`05:17.55`	`mhall`	`falkon: it's trying to use new qt`
`05:17.59`	`fester420`	`i looked there`
`05:18.02`	`mhall`	`falkon: but it gets complex`
`05:18.08`	`fester420`	`and there is like a mill files`
`05:18.09`	`mhall`	`falkon: because the way the c2 change worked`
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`05:18.36`	`mhall`	`falkon: was they made everything run on c2 version, then rebuild old version (no c2) as c2 but without c2 in its name`
`05:18.41`	`falkon`	`libqt3-mt is the newest. libqt3c102-mt is listed as stable`
`05:18.46`	`mhall`	`falkon: this confusion is why the transition is so ugly`
`05:18.50`	`Arsion`	`fester420: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/`
`05:18.59`	`mhall`	`falkon: ah ok so what they did was they are in the next half of the change`
`05:19.06`	`mhall`	`falkon: where they go from c2 back to normal names`
`05:19.13`	`mhall`	`falkon: i'm sorry it's so confusing`
`05:19.13`	`fester420`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/`
`05:19.16`	`fester420`	`ok iam here`
`05:19.21`	`mhall`	`falkon: and i'm sorry i cannot explain better`
`05:19.22`	`fester420`	`do i really need all those files`
`05:19.23`	`falkon`	`mhall: trust me, I know`
`05:19.25`	`secher`	`fester420, http://www.debian.org/distrib/ read there.`
`05:19.26`	`fester420`	`is debian 14 cd's`
`05:19.28`	`raden1`	`whats more popular gnome or KDE ?`
`05:19.31`	`falkon`	`mhall: nah, clear as day, thanks`
`05:19.35`	`blockd`	`fester420: no you don't need all`
`05:19.35`	`mhall`	`falkon: know which?`
`05:19.43`	`secher`	`fester420: just the first three.`
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`05:19.53`	`fester420`	`so the first three`
`05:19.54`	`roadfish`	`Is there a way to change the order of files in a directory? for example, to change the result of "ls -U".`
`05:19.58`	`fester420`	`on this site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/`
`05:20.05`	`Arsion`	`i only use the first cd`
`05:20.06`	`mhall`	`falkon: what little i know about this issue i learned from #d and from fighting with sid a few weeks ago when it happened to us`
`05:20.07`	`blockd`	`even then you can get by with just the netinstall and add more packages when needed`
`05:20.10`	`nixUX`	`raden1, nobody knows`
`05:20.14`	`Arsion`	`network gets the rest through apt`
`05:20.22`	`fester420`	`ok`
`05:20.25`	`buns`	`I've been trying to get nfs working between two debian machines but seem to be unsuccessful`
`05:20.36`	`fester420`	`so all i do is use the first three on that site i just posted`
`05:20.52`	`mhall`	`so did i tell you guys about the time i got in trouble at the bookstore for moving the bibles to the fiction section?`
`05:20.56`	`falkon`	`mhall: dpkg -l shows libqt3-mt as being 3.3.5-1`
`05:21.00`	`blockd`	`fester420: as Arsion said, you do only /need/ one CD. That's how I did it too.`
`05:21.02`	`buns`	`i msg'd dpkg about nfs but to no avail`
`05:21.11`	`mhall`	`falkon: ah yeah that seems like current release`
`05:21.14`	`mhall`	`buns: ok what is problem`
`05:21.26`	`fester420`	`ok`
`05:21.27`	`falkon`	`Arsion: did you fix your network problem?`
`05:21.27`	`blockd`	`it felt like a waste of a CD to only burn the netinstall ;)`
`05:21.37`	`mhall`	`blockd: it's not`
`05:21.38`	`fester420`	`[ ] debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent`
`05:21.39`	`nixUX`	`lol`
`05:21.44`	`buns`	`mhall, apparently, samba was the wrong thing to use... i'm trying to network two linux machines`
`05:21.45`	`fester420`	`is that the cd i need`
`05:21.53`	`Arsion`	`falkon: no, never worked in that file with iwconfig interfaces before. Dont know how to add it in.`
`05:21.58`	`mhall`	`buns: ah ok np`
`05:22.01`	`buns`	`mhall, so i followed instructions on setting up nfs but it didn't work`
`05:22.05`	`mhall`	`buns: i have gotten nfs to work before`
`05:22.20`	`mhall`	`buns: you got to have client support in kernel; usu. default kernels have it`
`05:22.22`	`Daemonic`	`hmm, how do I get e17?`
`05:22.26`	`mhall`	`buns: then on server you install demon`
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`05:22.31`	`buns`	`it keeps telling me "remote system error: connection refused"`
`05:22.32`	`Arsion`	`fester420: yes`
`05:22.35`	`nixUX`	`blockd, not really a waste is useless software on it like KDE :-)`
`05:22.37`	`The_ritz`	`hi`
`05:22.42`	`falkon`	`Arsion: okay what is the interface name when you do ifconfig?`
`05:22.44`	`mhall`	`buns: demon called nfs-user-server package`
`05:22.46`	`The_ritz`	`how long will sarge be supported?`
`05:22.51`	`falkon`	`Arsion: of the wireless`
`05:23.01`	`Arsion`	`falkon: ifconfig doesnt show it... iwconfig does.`
`05:23.09`	`fester420`	`lol cause i cant do a netinsdtall`
`05:23.10`	`buns`	`mhall, i have rpc.nfsd running`
`05:23.14`	`fester420`	`cause my routers gay`
`05:23.16`	`Matthew_I`	`is any one other than me having problems with SDL+OpenGL enabled apps on unstable with xorg and nvidia drivers? I am seeing no display (to test download SDLGears from http://www.libsdl.org/opengl/index.php)`
`05:23.16`	`blockd`	`mhall: I simply mean you leave most of the CD's capacity unused... vs the 600 MB some-odd size of the first Debian CD.`
`05:23.20`	`A3K`	`eheh`
`05:23.25`	`The_ritz`	`meaning will the support for sarge be stopped after release of etch??`
`05:23.30`	`buns`	`mhall, yah i installed nfs-user-server package`
`05:23.32`	`Arsion`	`falkon: nvm ...ifconfig does show it now... wlan0`
`05:23.32`	`fester420`	`andd everytime i boot nix i have to add 4.2.2.1 to my nameservers`
`05:23.52`	`falkon`	`Arsion: okay add these lines [if not there] to /etc/network/interfaces`
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`05:23.56`	`blockd`	`potentially handy if you install it somewhere without immediate net access`
`05:23.58`	`mhall`	`buns: right ok and is portmap and nfsd running`
`05:23.58`	`jcole`	`how do i recompile just one module?`
`05:24.08`	`mhall`	`buns: try pgrepping for these and seeing if there are results`
`05:24.15`	`The_ritz`	`what is the support policy for debian stable ? --- i am asking because i am thinking of moving my redhat9 server to debian instead of fedora`
`05:24.21`	`The_ritz`	`anyone?`
`05:24.30`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: debian.org`
`05:24.30`	`mhall`	`buns: next thing on server edit /etc/exports file`
`05:24.34`	`nixUX`	`but thats the idea of a "net" install`
`05:24.42`	`The_ritz`	`i didnt find anything there`
`05:24.45`	`The_ritz`	`jcole`
`05:25.00`	`falkon`	`Arsion: auto "wlan0" <endline> "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" then change the one for eth0 to static instead of dhcp`
`05:25.06`	`buns`	`i disabled portmap in my /etc/hosts.deny`
`05:25.06`	`buns`	`portmap:ALL`
`05:25.07`	`buns`	`lockd:ALL`
`05:25.07`	`buns`	`mountd:ALL`
`05:25.07`	`buns`	`rquotad:ALL`
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`05:25.17`	`The_ritz`	`Will Sarge be supported after release of etch???`
`05:25.28`	`eusto`	`hello, what's the bash equivalent for setenv?`
`05:25.31`	`blockd`	`The_ritz: you mean commercial support like Red Hat Network?`
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`05:25.36`	`The_ritz`	`no`
`05:25.40`	`Arsion`	`falkon: ok, what about the essid, mode, and WEP Key? Are those always saved in another file? or must those be in that file as well?`
`05:25.47`	`timo`	`eusto, export`
`05:25.47`	`mhall`	`buns: you need to read man 5 exports to write exports file`
`05:25.48`	`buns`	`mhall, sorry bout the flood... that was an accidnet`
`05:25.53`	`falkon`	`Arsion: let me see, hold on`
`05:25.56`	`mhall`	`buns: also nfs requires that you have portmap`
`05:26.04`	`The_ritz`	`support like ...from security team...the way ubuntu does...even after 2 releases ...support is there for legacy branch`
`05:26.09`	`buns`	`okay`
`05:26.11`	`The_ritz`	`is it there for Debian?`
`05:26.11`	`mhall`	`buns: because nfs is rpc service and uses portmap to allocate udp ports for data transfers`
`05:26.19`	`mhall`	`buns: that is why connection gets refused`
`05:26.24`	`eusto`	`timo, thanks`
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`05:26.48`	`mhall`	`The_ritz: yeah we got security`
`05:27.02`	`The_ritz`	`i am asking will it be there till etch dies?`
`05:27.06`	`mhall`	`The_ritz: http://www.debian.org/security/`
`05:27.08`	`buns`	`mhall, does it matter than in my hosts.allow file i used ALL: 192.168.0.0`
`05:27.10`	`nixUX`	`I dont want a message saying updates, desktop spam`
`05:27.16`	`mhall`	`The_ritz: we support some number of back rels`
`05:27.21`	`mhall`	`The_ritz: i do not know the amount`
`05:27.27`	`mhall`	`The_ritz: security site should explain`
`05:27.33`	`The_ritz`	`ok`
`05:27.35`	`The_ritz`	`thanks`
`05:27.39`	`mhall`	`buns: you would have to try manning hosts.allow`
`05:27.43`	`mhall`	`buns: cause i forget its format`
`05:27.54`	`mhall`	`buns: but in any case please do not do this until it works`
`05:28.05`	`mhall`	`buns: put it onto post-it note for later after you got it fixed`
`05:28.12`	`mhall`	`buns: otherwise might break what would otherwise work`
`05:28.21`	`mhall`	`buns: when setting up service please only change one thing at a time`
`05:28.28`	`mhall`	`buns: or you won't know what's making it not work`
`05:28.29`	`buns`	`mhall, okay`
`05:28.40`	`buns`	`i've removed all my entries the hosts files`
`05:29.00`	`secher`	`Lets try this again. I already googled for a solution to this error, to no avail. I had a disk error a couple days ago, and I fixed everything else save this little hassle "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file". I've reinstalled fontconfig to no avail, and google is not being much help. Ideas?`
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`05:29.20`	`falkon`	`is there a file that is like /etc/network/interfaces for wireless interfaces?`
`05:29.21`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: with debian, you can "upgrade forever" without reinstalling`
`05:29.48`	`JT`	`well that's the theory ;)`
`05:29.51`	`secher`	`falkin /etc/network/interfaces`
`05:29.52`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah alright`
`05:29.52`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: stable gets mostly only security and bug fix updates`
`05:29.56`	`nixUX`	`secher, reinstall xorg?`
`05:30.04`	`mhall`	`buns: i think you might have to restart inetd and the portmap and nfs demons`
`05:30.05`	`buns`	`mhall, I entered this into my exports file /mnt/data 192.168.11.5(rw,sync)`
`05:30.13`	`mhall`	`buns: /etc/init.d/{demon here} restart`
`05:30.17`	`secher`	`nixUX: are you serious?`
`05:30.26`	`nixUX`	`why not?`
`05:30.27`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: when the next release of stable comes out, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is all you need`
`05:30.29`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah check this against contents of man exports`
`05:30.33`	`falkon`	`Arsion: figured it out`
`05:30.39`	`mhall`	`buns: but that looks to be about correct`
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`05:30.45`	`buns`	`alright.`
`05:30.48`	`z0id`	`whats a good vpn client?`
`05:30.51`	`JT`	`i'm having major problems with apt dependencies atm :/`
`05:30.57`	`mhall`	`buns: also of course make sure share exists ;-)`
`05:30.57`	`Arsion`	`falkon: ok`
`05:31.04`	`falkon`	`Arsion: let me msg you`
`05:31.16`	`JT`	`can't install any packages, something's very broken`
`05:31.19`	`Arsion`	`falkon: ok, if you can`
`05:31.35`	`buns`	`mhall, isn't that way exports does? sets the shared directory?`
`05:31.47`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: stable means stable (not latest, etc.)... if your job depends on this server, stable is what you should run`
`05:31.48`	`mhall`	`buns: right but you have to make sure the dir exists ;-)`
`05:31.59`	`mhall`	`buns: i'm just saying the obvious cause i fucked up once and forgot`
`05:32.09`	`mhall`	`buns: it's the nfs equivalent of "is it plugged in"`
`05:32.14`	`buns`	`mhall, alright something is different now`
`05:32.18`	`JT`	`anyone able to lend a hand?`
`05:32.27`	`mhall`	`buns: now what does it do eh`
`05:32.28`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: if you need something there's always backports`
`05:32.34`	`buns`	`hah...`
`05:32.39`	`z0id`	`what program should i use to connect to vpn?`
`05:32.45`	`falkon`	`!tell Arsion interfaces`
`05:32.47`	`buns`	`mhall, before it would tell me mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused`
`05:32.57`	`nixUX`	`secher, also try reinstalling libfontconfig1`
`05:32.57`	`mhall`	`buns: ok good getting closer`
`05:33.02`	`buns`	`mhall, now it tells me mount: RPC: Program not registered`
`05:33.13`	`Arsion`	`?`
`05:33.14`	`mhall`	`buns: ah-ha, portmap must be started before nfs demon`
`05:33.23`	`mhall`	`buns: one sec and i'll give you rpc diagnostic command please hold`
`05:33.27`	`buns`	`oh so killall nfs and portmap? ??`
`05:33.34`	`falkon`	`!tell Arsion about interfaces`
`05:33.55`	`mhall`	`buns: not quite`
`05:34.01`	`mhall`	`buns: /etc/init.d/portmap restart`
`05:34.06`	`falkon`	`Arsion: got it?`
`05:34.12`	`mhall`	`buns: /etc/init.d/{nfs demon script} restart`
`05:34.15`	`nixUX`	`secher, try running fc-cache`
`05:34.27`	`mhall`	`buns: additionally rpcinfo -p will say if rpc has nfs registered or not`
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`05:34.39`	`mhall`	`buns: i bet if you look now nfs is not registered`
`05:34.43`	`mhall`	`buns: hence the error msg`
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`05:35.04`	`KurtKraut`	`I'm geting this after boot: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 81670447 - is my hard disk screwed up ?`
`05:35.04`	`jcole`	`The_ritz: since ubuntu uses "less tested" software, it would be more prone to security vulnerabilities and unstability`
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`05:35.26`	`buns`	`mhall, now i get mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused again`
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`05:35.30`	`A3K`	`So how do y'all think David Tennant will do?`
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`05:35.34`	`secher`	`nixUX, Heh, all it returned was: " Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file".`
`05:35.44`	`Arsion`	`falkon: yes but it doesnt help. the file doesnt say anything about wireless`
`05:35.55`	`nixUX`	`secher, after what?`
`05:36.16`	`mhall`	`buns: is nfs listed in rpcinfo -p`
`05:36.16`	`secher`	`nixUX, after fc-cache`
`05:36.24`	`mhall`	`buns: you can msg me output`
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`05:36.28`	`mhall`	`buns: /query mhall`
`05:36.33`	`mhall`	`buns: /exec -o rpcinfo -p`
`05:36.52`	`buns`	`mhall, yes both for tcp and udp`
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`05:37.11`	`JT`	`apt-get install libc6`
`05:37.12`	`JT`	`Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:`
`05:37.13`	`JT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:37.13`	`JT`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`05:37.15`	`JT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:37.20`	`JT`	`any ideas how to solve this?`
`05:37.23`	`mhall`	`buns: ah ok`
`05:37.33`	`nixUX`	`secher, try fc-cache --force`
`05:37.40`	`mhall`	`buns: might also need to run exportfs -a`
`05:37.53`	`mhall`	`buns: mount command will be mount files.example.com:/home /mnt/nfs`
`05:38.50`	`mhall`	`buns: on mount also use -o nfsvers=3`
`05:38.53`	`buns`	`mhall, exportfs isn't a command`
`05:39.00`	`buns`	`and i can't apt -get iot`
`05:39.01`	`buns`	`it`
`05:39.02`	`secher`	`Wow.. just fell asleep.. time for bed. tackle this another night. Thankls nixUX . Night all.. fc-cache--forced results in same error.. Whww.. night all.`
`05:39.45`	`JT`	`i have some major libc6 screwage going on here, amongst other things`
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`05:40.26`	`mhall`	`buns: oh no worries, restarting demon does same thing`
`05:40.29`	`mhall`	`buns: one sec`
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`05:41.03`	`buns`	`mhall, now i keep getting a message saying "connection refused" while trying o mount`
`05:41.07`	`nixUX`	`anyone played Lincity-NG?`
`05:41.11`	`buns`	`*to mount`
`05:41.11`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah hold on`
`05:41.14`	`buns`	`ok`
`05:41.19`	`mhall`	`buns: try /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server restart`
`05:41.28`	`mhall`	`buns: i think maybe we did not use right restart script`
`05:41.42`	`buns`	`it worked`
`05:41.46`	`falkon`	`Arsion: did you not add those lines I told you about?`
`05:41.55`	`Arsion`	`falkon: yes`
`05:42.06`	`mhall`	`buns: so you can mount now`
`05:42.22`	`buns`	`hrmm...maybe my fstab isn't setup right`
`05:42.23`	`falkon`	`Arsion: change iface eth0 inet dhcp to iface eth0 inet static`
`05:42.32`	`falkon`	`Arsion: should work next time you restart`
`05:42.38`	`mhall`	`buns: should not cause connection refusal though`
`05:42.50`	`Arsion`	`falkon: let's find out`
`05:42.55`	`buns`	`but it does`
`05:43.30`	`buns`	`mhall, this is stupid...`
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`05:43.42`	`buns`	`aren't there tools to help make this process easier?`
`05:44.10`	`mhall`	`buns: hold on, got a link`
`05:44.13`	`JT`	`hmm, i get this if i try to apt-get -f install: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove sysvinit`
`05:44.15`	`mhall`	`buns: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/server.html`
`05:44.29`	`mhall`	`buns: the problem is probably hosts.allow does not have enough rpc services open`
`05:44.37`	`mhall`	`buns: i forgot about the others besides portmap`
`05:45.12`	`buns`	`alright, thanks ... i'll check out that link`
`05:45.39`	`buns`	`i appreciate your help`
`05:46.21`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah the link explains how the nfs demons work`
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`05:46.30`	`mhall`	`buns: so probably you can get it going in an hour or so`
`05:46.35`	`mhall`	`buns: if it fucks up email me`
`05:47.00`	`buns`	`heh, or in a week.... like what i went through on my laptop trying to get wifi working`
`05:48.14`	`mhall`	`buns: nfs is not bad`
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`05:48.29`	`mhall`	`buns: i got it going in an hour when i really sat down to do it couple weeks ago`
`05:48.37`	`mhall`	`buns: wifi could take forever`
`05:48.43`	`mhall`	`buns: it's a lot more fucked up than nfs`
`05:49.10`	`buns`	`mhall, i hear its much easier... i was just kidding`
`05:49.24`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah np`
`05:49.34`	`mhall`	`buns: just did not want you to get inordinately depressed abt it`
`05:49.55`	`buns`	`mhall, wanna know the most valuable wizdom i learned from getting wifi working?`
`05:50.13`	`buns`	`mhall, i leaned the true meaning of rtfm`
`05:50.14`	`mhall`	`buns: use 100baset?`
`05:50.18`	`buns`	`heh`
`05:50.30`	`mhall`	`buns: i finally got mine to the point where of rtfs`
`05:50.36`	`mhall`	`buns: read the fucking source`
`05:50.49`	`buns`	`haha...unfortunately that might be over my head at this point`
`05:50.50`	`mhall`	`the manual didn't even cut the fucking mustard`
`05:50.59`	`buns`	`haha`
`05:51.03`	`mhall`	`buns: it was over mine too and i've programmed in C since 2k2`
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`05:51.16`	`thc`	`i invented C, back in Nam.`
`05:51.19`	`mhall`	`i was not happy`
`05:51.25`	`mhall`	`hot fucking happy at all whatsoever`
`05:51.37`	`buns`	`oh ok... i've taken an intro high level programming class using c++...so i know the very basics`
`05:51.37`	`mhall`	`in any way shape form or fashion conceivable by mankind`
`05:51.41`	`mhall`	`or by kingsley`
`05:51.53`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah that's what i did too`
`05:51.53`	`thc`	`!seen kingsley_`
`05:51.54`	`dpkg`	`kingsley_ is currently on #debian (4h 48m 6s). Has said a total of 475 messages. Is idling for 3d 1h 30m 3s`
`05:51.58`	`mhall`	`buns: then i started to hack more and more`
`05:52.13`	`buns`	`aah, so you learned out of necessity`
`05:52.15`	`mhall`	`i think kingsley_ qualifies as a vapid subhuman primate`
`05:52.27`	`GullyFoyle`	`third time i've tried to install ubuntu, what a load. i'm goin back to regular debian.`
`05:52.35`	`mhall`	`buns: well i actually ended up liking to write code and i've been a comp user since i was 5`
`05:52.37`	`thc`	`!beer GullyFoyle`
`05:52.40`	`buns`	`mhall, yah, its one thing to learn syntax...its another to code something abstract`
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`05:52.45`	`thc`	`uh oh, dpkg just cussed.`
`05:52.58`	`mhall`	`buns: so it came about as a way to improve my knowledge and my capability`
`05:53.12`	`mhall`	`buns: i really got good when i had a co-op job for 8 months as a posix app developer`
`05:53.24`	`mhall`	`buns: because i had to work on solaris which comes with few tools`
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`05:53.36`	`mhall`	`buns: so i had to download a gcc binary and compile everything myself`
`05:53.39`	`GullyFoyle`	`i installed ubuntu and they don't have a root account, but my only user account can't sudo! what a buncha crap.`
`05:53.41`	`buns`	`mhall, have you heard of the new solaris debian distro?`
`05:53.45`	`mhall`	`buns: and develop useful applications`
`05:53.52`	`mhall`	`buns: no i didn't yet`
`05:53.54`	`mhall`	`buns: link?`
`05:54.01`	`buns`	`yah...let me get it`
`05:54.12`	`mhall`	`buns: my experience with s10 when i put it on my laptop is that drivers are bad but it's really really fast`
`05:54.30`	`buns`	`hmm...`
`05:54.33`	`mhall`	`buns: probably better to use on desktop box or serial console server where nobody gives a shit about fucking drivers`
`05:54.35`	`buns`	`i read about it on slashdot`
`05:54.46`	`mhall`	`buns: i'll google on /.o`
`05:55.05`	`buns`	`http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki`
`05:55.10`	`mhall`	`buns: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/0418234`
`05:55.20`	`buns`	`it's called Nexenta`
`05:55.47`	`buns`	`i downloaded it it like 5 minutes while at the college`
`05:55.47`	`Supaplex`	`!beer apt`
`05:55.56`	`buns`	`its 230 megs or so`
`05:56.02`	`buns`	`but extracts out to a full image`
`05:57.05`	`buns`	`seems cool.. i guess they have 1000 or so apt packages`
`05:57.11`	`mhall`	`ah sweet`
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`05:58.13`	`peterS`	`buns: yeah and they're violating a lot of people's licenses. very cool stuff.`
`05:58.24`	`buns`	`haha... hoooray for open source`
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`05:58.38`	`JT`	`tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GL`
`05:58.39`	`JT`	`IBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference`
`05:58.40`	`JT`	`dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 127`
`05:58.43`	`peterS`	`amazingly, the debian developers whose licenses are being violated are not all amused about this`
`05:58.45`	`JT`	`i'm guessing this is bad`
`05:58.55`	`buns`	`why are they being violated?`
`05:59.03`	`buns`	`or how`
`05:59.14`	`Arsion`	`falkon: nope. it tried to dhcp the router, but it was unable to get through because it didnt set the essid, mode, nor the WEP Key`
`05:59.14`	`peterS`	`because Sun released their operating system in such a way that it's hard not to do so, in nexenta's position`
`05:59.32`	`mhall`	`peterS: what did they do`
`05:59.34`	`buns`	`u mean its not gpl?`
`05:59.38`	`peterS`	`Sun's libc is not GPL-compatible, see, and a lot of the software in question is GPL`
`05:59.40`	`mhall`	`peterS: oh gpl non-gpl mix`
`05:59.47`	`buns`	`oh`
`06:00.01`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah i wished like a sonofabitch i could compile glibc on solaris but you can't`
`06:00.02`	`peterS`	`yes, and Nexenta has not ported GNU libc to their kernel. from the sound of it, they aren't planning to.`
`06:00.06`	`buns`	`but the source is fully available, right?`
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`06:00.09`	`mhall`	`peterS: libcs are not portable`
`06:00.15`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah under incompatible license`
`06:00.20`	`peterS`	`mhall: some are more portable than others`
`06:00.28`	`mhall`	`peterS: they all make kernel calls`
`06:00.36`	`mhall`	`peterS: not portable at all really`
`06:00.36`	`peterS`	`buns: yeah, though I don't think you can recompile their kernel without some closed-source compiler`
`06:00.51`	`peterS`	`mhall: the kernel calls are a very small part of libc, actually`
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`06:01.05`	`peterS`	`an important part, but not a large part`
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`06:01.30`	`buns`	`ho i see`
`06:01.33`	`mhall`	`no you should be able to recompile it with gcc`
`06:01.35`	`peterS`	`even so, there is a reason glibc only supports a handful of kernels`
`06:01.38`	`mhall`	`if not now then very soon`
`06:01.47`	`falkon`	`Arsion: so, did it work?`
`06:01.50`	`Arsion`	`falkon: nope. it tried to dhcp the router, but it was unable to get through because it didnt set the essid, mode, nor the WEP Key`
`06:01.55`	`buns`	`is there an advantage using solaris?`
`06:02.07`	`mhall`	`sun is deliberately patching the solaris kernel to make it gcc buildable`
`06:02.12`	`buns`	`its a completely different branch of unix`
`06:02.13`	`falkon`	`Arsion: paste me the lines`
`06:02.14`	`peterS`	`buns: apparently the solaris kernel has certain advantages over linux. they seem kind of vague`
`06:02.15`	`mhall`	`i read a sun dev's blog about the patches he wrote`
`06:02.23`	`raden1`	`how can i change permissions from console for everything in a directory ?`
`06:02.24`	`mhall`	`buns: well there are some reasons yes`
`06:02.27`	`Arsion`	`falkon: from?`
`06:02.31`	`mhall`	`buns: you get dtrace`
`06:02.36`	`falkon`	`Arsion: /var/log/messages I believe`
`06:02.49`	`mhall`	`buns: you get superior system zones, like what you get with user mode linux but faster`
`06:02.51`	`peterS`	`buns: better support for certain sparc hardware might be one advantage. I don't know how much better solaris supports sparc machines, but presumably it's somewhat better`
`06:02.54`	`falkon`	`Arsion: or /var/log/dmesg`
`06:02.58`	`mhall`	`buns: the sun kernel can run on systems with more procs`
`06:03.10`	`mhall`	`buns: like a 72 proc E25K which linux does not support`
`06:03.19`	`buns`	`yeah, but isn't sparc a sun chip?`
`06:03.24`	`peterS`	`sort of`
`06:03.29`	`mhall`	`peterS: a lot better, d-sparc does not work on USIV`
`06:03.34`	`Supaplex`	`I'd like an armfull of them 8core 4way sun cpu's`
`06:03.35`	`peterS`	`it's a chip Sun makes. but it's also an open architecture which other people can also make`
`06:03.37`	`mhall`	`peterS: too many bootloader glitches etc`
`06:03.47`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: no you wouldn't they are pretty slow`
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`06:03.59`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: go for the new 4-core opterons in 2k7`
`06:04.05`	`Supaplex`	`mmmmmmmmm`
`06:04.08`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: those will FUCK SHIT UP`
`06:04.11`	`Supaplex`	`say that o word again`
`06:04.18`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: 4x 3ghz w/ DDR3 and better HT`
`06:04.35`	`Supaplex`	`it better be better then that insmell trash`
`06:04.39`	`peterS`	`HT is no substitute for multicore`
`06:04.52`	`buns`	`lol... anything other than x86 is over my head right now`
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`06:04.55`	`Supaplex`	`mmmmhmhmmhuhhmmmmmm opteron mmmmhmhmmhuhhmmmmmmmmmmhmhmmhuhhmmmmmm`
`06:05.05`	`Brian_L`	`:)`
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`06:05.22`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: link: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,123559,00.asp`
`06:05.23`	`Supaplex`	`Brian_L: so cough it up already`
`06:05.24`	`peterS`	`Brian_L: don't mind Supaplex, he's in one of those drooling modes`
`06:05.24`	`sussudio`	`!test`
`06:05.24`	`dpkg`	`Yes, sussudio, you're still online.`
`06:05.37`	`falkon`	`Arsion: found the lines?`
`06:05.45`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: you're gonna jerk off to opterons later aren't you you sick geek bastard`
`06:05.48`	`mhall`	`Supaplex: lollerskates`
`06:05.58`	`zeeble`	`heh`
`06:06.02`	`mhall`	`peterS: sorry not hyper threading`
`06:06.08`	`mhall`	`peterS: hyper transport`
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`06:06.12`	`peterS`	`mhall: oh, hypertransport, right`
`06:06.12`	`mhall`	`peterS: this is AMD`
`06:06.23`	`Arsion`	`falkon: nope, nothing about the dhcp is in either of those files`
`06:06.36`	`mhall`	`peterS: faster, more ram bandwidth, more talk-to-chip bandwidth, more SMP friendly cache`
`06:06.43`	`peterS`	`mhall: yeah I know they wouldn't use the term hyperthreading, since that's most likely an intel trademark, but since you were talking about multiple cores I figured you also were talking about HT, as a generic term for the same thing`
`06:06.55`	`mhall`	`peterS: sorry for using bad acronym`
`06:07.04`	`peterS`	`not a bad acronym, just confusing in that context`
`06:07.14`	`mhall`	`peterS: hence a poor choice`
`06:07.18`	`nixUX`	`why are devs so far up there own arse?`
`06:07.20`	`mhall`	`peterS: i should have done it differently`
`06:07.25`	`Arsion`	`falkon: but i did watch it try to constantly try to get dhcp from 255.255.255.255 then finally gave up after so many times. After it booted completely, i had to go in and manually do a iwconfig wlan0 essid name and the other commands`
`06:07.29`	`mhall`	`!mhallsmite nixUX`
`06:07.36`	`nixUX`	`lol`
`06:07.46`	`peterS`	`oh well, HTransport fits in with DDR3 as well as HThreading fits in with multicore. and you were talking about both. (:`
`06:07.54`	`buns`	`mhall, thanks for the help... i gtg... but i'll shoot you an email if i cant' figure this out with the howto you sent me...`
`06:08.02`	`spo0nman`	`I currently have loads of symlinks under /home/pankaj. if I untar a backup tgz, will the symlinks be preserved?`
`06:08.26`	`nixUX`	`dpkg, oh you bitch`
`06:08.27`	`peterS`	`spo0nman: tar should preserve symlinks. you may or may not need tar's -p flag`
`06:08.47`	`peterS`	`spo0nman: I think you don't need it, but it never hurts in those kinds of situations`
`06:08.47`	`Supaplex`	`!smack nixUX`
`06:08.49`	`nixUX`	`dpkg, dont I like it :-P`
`06:09.12`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah ok man`
`06:09.18`	`spo0nman`	`peterS: hmm does it depend on how I created the tar file ? I judt did a -zcvf`
`06:09.23`	`mhall`	`buns: i'll try to help you sort out the problems if it fucks up`
`06:09.32`	`buns`	`k...thx`
`06:09.33`	`mhall`	`buns: but you should be only some tweaks and reboots away`
`06:09.39`	`mhall`	`buns: that howto is pretty comprehensive`
`06:09.40`	`peterS`	`spo0nman: that's fine, that'll store symlinks. tar xzpf ...`
`06:09.52`	`peterS`	`with the p in there`
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`06:10.05`	`buns`	`mhall, cool.. you've been helpful.. at least i've learned something about nfs`
`06:10.06`	`nixUX`	`are there any devs here that dont live up their arse?`
`06:10.11`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah like i said i should been more anal retentive in my phraseology assemblage`
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`06:10.21`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah i try to pass on what was a bitch for me to figure out`
`06:10.29`	`mhall`	`buns: it's the right thing to do`
`06:10.38`	`mhall`	`buns: when i'm not busy insulting or lampooning kingsley`
`06:10.47`	`mhall`	`!kingsleysmite kingsley_`
`06:10.47`	`dpkg`	`kingsley_: You're nothing but a cck fcking j*sus!`
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`06:10.52`	`mhall`	`:-D`
`06:10.55`	`buns`	`hah`
`06:10.59`	`Arsion`	`nixUX: havent noticed any smell yet, so I'm one that isnt`
`06:11.03`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`06:11.11`	`buns`	`well that's a noble thing.. .pass along the wizdom`
`06:11.16`	`buns`	`peace`
`06:11.19`	`mhall`	`buns: yeah it's good to help`
`06:11.48`	`nixUX`	`Arsion, wow, your rare, since they never listen to what a user has to say :-)`
`06:12.23`	`falkon`	`Arsion: okay, tell me the output of this command: /sbin/route`
`06:12.25`	`mhall`	`Arsion: either that or the e missing from your nick is cancelling out the odor`
`06:12.36`	`Arsion`	`nixUX: which is generally a bad thing to do. Without listening to the user, how would dev know if something goes wrong`
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`06:13.06`	`mhall`	`thing is in open source the dev wrote it often for him or herself`
`06:13.11`	`mhall`	`and happened to rel it to others`
`06:13.18`	`Arsion`	`!arsionsmite mhall`
`06:13.23`	`mhall`	`and often does not want obligation to deal with their issues`
`06:13.34`	`Xenguy`	`who is this fucking kingsley person?`
`06:13.40`	`nixUX`	`Arsion, well the user users theer work which they develope, If the user says it's flawed, how does he know how to containue?`
`06:13.43`	`mhall`	`Arsion: sorry but i couldn't resist the bizarre pun`
`06:13.45`	`peterS`	`the other problem is that most users are stupid, and the stupid ones always have the most suggestions about what the software should do differently`
`06:13.49`	`mhall`	`Arsion: not meant to be personal attack`
`06:13.51`	`mhall`	`peterS: mos def`
`06:13.55`	`Arsion`	`mhall: i know lol`
`06:13.56`	`mhall`	`!agree peterS`
`06:13.57`	`dpkg`	`peterS: Word to your legal guardian-- of the female sex.`
`06:14.08`	`mhall`	`Arsion: just wanted to be sure i didn't insult a helper of the cause`
`06:14.10`	`lunitik`	`Xenguy: apparently someone with too much time, and whom decided to mess with the bot ;)`
`06:14.18`	`Arsion`	`mhall: nope`
`06:14.19`	`mhall`	`Xenguy: hold one sec`
`06:14.33`	`mhall`	`Xenguy: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/`
`06:14.36`	`Xenguy`	`lunitik: ahh`
`06:14.40`	`mhall`	`Xenguy: please not my fucking ranking`
`06:14.46`	`mhall`	`lunitik: not quite`
`06:14.47`	`Xenguy`	`mhall: tx`
`06:14.50`	`mhall`	`lunitik: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/`
`06:14.54`	`mhall`	`Xenguy: note*`
`06:14.59`	`falkon`	`Arsion: okay, tell me the output of this command: /sbin/route`
`06:15.09`	`Arsion`	`falkon: sent to your PM`
`06:15.15`	`falkon`	`oh oops`
`06:15.20`	`Arsion`	`lol`
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`06:15.24`	`nixUX`	`people always say Microsoft dont listen to there customers, yet KDE/GNOME devs do the same thing all the time`
`06:15.32`	`beoba`	`on that graph, which line is which? (language vs bans)`
`06:15.45`	`peterS`	`nixUX: and the allegation in all three cases is basically false`
`06:15.52`	`mhall`	`actually ms listens too much to the custs`
`06:15.57`	`beoba`	`nixUX: except with kde/gnome, they're volunteers, and we can theoretically do the changes we want ourselves`
`06:16.03`	`mhall`	`beoba: note kingsley_ is a self-aggrandizing hack`
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`06:16.09`	`mhall`	`beoba: and can't be arsed to graph right`
`06:16.12`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: while I've gotten many "No, not gonna happen" 's from GNOME devels... most KDE devels are very good about delivering what you request...`
`06:16.23`	`Arsion`	`nixUX: true, but Microshit also treats their customers as if they own them.`
`06:16.24`	`mhall`	`ms listens to the idiot customers and lets them take over the os`
`06:16.30`	`beoba`	`mhall: gotcha`
`06:16.33`	`mhall`	`and ms also must prevent their customers from being stupid`
`06:16.37`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: and for the record, I'm using GNOME atm, so don't think I'm just being a blind zealot ;)`
`06:16.47`	`mhall`	`which also causes them to prevent their customers from being clever`
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`06:17.03`	`mhall`	`the same things that preclude stupidity generally preclude ultimate cleverness`
`06:17.06`	`Arsion`	`truthfully, I would NOT be on WinXP right now, if it wasnt for the fact that I play WoW`
`06:17.17`	`peterS`	`weren't. weren't.`
`06:17.18`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: I've personally seen about 10 different requests be implemented with KDE for instance...`
`06:17.25`	`mhall`	`lunitik: i had some issues with kde devs picking nonsensical config defaults`
`06:17.31`	`mhall`	`peterS: me too!`
`06:17.36`	`falkon`	`I wouldn't use windows for anything if I had the time and patience to figure out cedega`
`06:17.38`	`mhall`	`peterS: comes from learning deutsch`
`06:17.39`	`Arsion`	`wasnt werent....same diff lol`
`06:17.41`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, well if they did something really stupid in a gnome release then you would think they would listen, hense my question`
`06:17.46`	`mhall`	`!mhallsmite Arsion`
`06:17.58`	`mhall`	`Arsion: take that back`
`06:18.04`	`Arsion`	`which?`
`06:18.07`	`beoba`	`rubber? why not pyrex?`
`06:18.07`	`lunitik`	`mhall: being nit-picky about config defaults is not really something I'd take to them... its really not hard to change stuff :/`
`06:18.08`	`peterS`	`mhall: I think all non-english languages I know use the subjunctive more than english does`
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`06:18.23`	`mhall`	`Arsion: 22:17 < Arsion> wasnt werent....same diff lol`
`06:18.25`	`mhall`	`Arsion: :-P`
`06:18.28`	`Arsion`	`lol`
`06:18.29`	`beoba`	`(see http://www.blowfish.com/catalog/toys/glass_dildos.html )`
`06:18.34`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: look at the Spacial issue... very few users thought that was a good idea...`
`06:18.37`	`mhall`	`lunitik: fair enough`
`06:18.38`	`lunitik`	`Spatial*`
`06:18.40`	`Arsion`	`no :P`
`06:18.42`	`nixUX`	`KDE just follow the Windows model, so i'm not bothered about them`
`06:18.45`	`mhall`	`lunitik: perhaps it was a dumb complaint on my part i admit`
`06:19.08`	`mhall`	`my point would be the windows model isn't all bad`
`06:19.11`	`Arsion`	`mhall: i'm from the south! they both mean the same thing to me!`
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`06:19.12`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: they really don't... my prefered KDE set up is very OS X -ish actually...`
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`06:19.15`	`mhall`	`if you take it and improve it like on KDE`
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`06:19.23`	`falkon`	`Arsion: did you run those commands in your msg`
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`06:19.26`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: they just take things that are considered good ideas :/`
`06:19.27`	`mhall`	`Arsion: i'm a progressive CA.US redneck`
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`06:19.34`	`mhall`	`Arsion: so i guess i have to let it slide`
`06:19.41`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, taking console and run out what one of the stupidest moves of all time`
`06:19.45`	`mhall`	`Arsion: i can take one on the chin for the Confederacy :-D`
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`06:20.01`	`mhall`	`nixUX: taking out console and run`
`06:20.01`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: out of where?`
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`06:20.06`	`Arsion`	`falkon: i take it your nick isnt registered? cause i didnt get it and the server blocks pms from unregistered nicks`
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`06:20.15`	`falkon`	`argh`
`06:20.28`	`falkon`	`Arsion: okay do this`
`06:20.40`	`beoba`	`whats with all the join parts, and secondly, how do i ignore them in irssi for this channel (but only this channel)?`
`06:20.41`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, out of the panel`
`06:20.41`	`Arsion`	`falkon: agreed. thats why i run unreal...so many wonderful commands hehehe`
`06:20.48`	`nixUX`	`and right click`
`06:20.52`	`nixUX`	`in 2.12`
`06:20.54`	`mhall`	`nixUX: http://www.mhcomputing.net/~mhall/snapshot1.png <-- i have run`
`06:20.58`	`litage`	`i wanted to enlarge a RAID-1 drive (ie: 2 mirrored partitions), so i stopped and removed the devices from md, and deleted and created the larger partition on /dev/sda and sdb. i then zero'd sda and sdb, formatted sdb as ext3, added sdb to md7, added sda to md7, formatted sda as ext3, and rebooted. however, when the machine starts, it says there isn't a valid ext2fs superblock on md7. what did i do wrong?`
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`06:21.19`	`Arsion`	`beoba: not sure if that is possible. if it is, it might be at irssi.org`
`06:21.20`	`falkon`	`Arsion: /sbin/route del default gw homeportal.gateway`
`06:21.23`	`nixUX`	`mhall, GNOME, not KDE`
`06:21.29`	`mhall`	`!tell beoba about nospambot`
`06:21.31`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: they were never in the gnome panel... so whatever`
`06:21.38`	`falkon`	`Arsion: /sbin/route add default gw ip.of.your.gateway`
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`06:21.45`	`mhall`	`!karma peters`
`06:21.46`	`dpkg`	`peters has karma of 20`
`06:21.51`	`mhall`	`!peters++`
`06:21.54`	`mhall`	`!karma peters`
`06:22.08`	`peterS`	`<dpkg> someone just asked that...`
`06:22.08`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, gnome-run has been in the applications menu for god knowns how long`
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`06:22.24`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah i wanted to make sure i used right operator`
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`06:22.30`	`peterS`	`ahh`
`06:22.32`	`Arsion`	`falkon: !!!!!!!! should have warned me first....just lost my ssh`
`06:22.34`	`mhall`	`peterS: it's 21`
`06:22.38`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: both the konsole, and run dialogue are about as far into both menu's.`
`06:22.40`	`peterS`	`w00t`
`06:22.41`	`mhall`	`peterS: i was karmaing you up for nospambot`
`06:23.02`	`peterS`	`oh, I see. surprisingly useful for a long-ago 30-minute hack`
`06:23.07`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, NOT KDE`
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`06:23.19`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah i neglected to award you the point back then`
`06:23.21`	`mhall`	`peterS: sry`
`06:23.24`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: put them back :/`
`06:23.24`	`peterS`	`heh`
`06:23.29`	`nixUX`	`In gnome`
`06:23.32`	`nixUX`	`2.12`
`06:23.33`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: average user has no need for them...`
`06:23.39`	`nixUX`	`crap`
`06:23.39`	`Arsion`	`afk...having to switch monitor and kb heh`
`06:23.50`	`beoba`	`looks like it was "/ignore #channel joins parts"`
`06:23.54`	`mhall`	`i love kde's run dialog`
`06:24.01`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, average user it's much easier to use run than find a application`
`06:24.06`	`mhall`	`beoba: nospambot by peterS is also useful`
`06:24.10`	`beoba`	`either that or people just arent joining/parting anymore`
`06:24.19`	`mhall`	`beoba: lets you just ignore spammers but not legit users`
`06:24.31`	`beoba`	`i must be immune to those, as i havent had any real problems with that`
`06:24.38`	`beoba`	`if it becomes an issue i'll look for that`
`06:24.41`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: not so much... you try finding KHextEdit without knowing the name of it... genius`
`06:24.41`	`mhall`	`beoba: they are not as bad as they were`
`06:24.43`	`peterS`	`sort of. it's not very smart, it just delays showing a join message for 2 seconds, and if the user parted before that time, it doesn't show it at all`
`06:24.50`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, the ironic thing it's that KDE are putting search and MS Vista is as well in the menu`
`06:25.09`	`mhall`	`peterS: dude it plugs the leak as well as anything`
`06:25.12`	`Brian_L`	`Anyone have a ausus A8N-E running debian ?`
`06:25.15`	`beoba`	`looks like google print is up`
`06:25.20`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: as is GNOME... ala Beagle... seach is the new sex, don't ya know`
`06:25.21`	`mhall`	`peterS: no need to cap on it for its brute force nature`
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`06:25.26`	`beoba`	`though that's probably old news`
`06:25.32`	`litage`	`Brian_L: type this: !anyone`
`06:25.36`	`peterS`	`heh, it does work for that particular spambot pattern`
`06:25.37`	`beoba`	`!anyone`
`06:25.39`	`mhall`	`lunitik: beagle is real broken`
`06:25.44`	`sidizen`	`i keep having authentication errors...i am running sid could someone tell me where i need to get my key?`
`06:25.45`	`beoba`	`nothing :*`
`06:25.47`	`beoba`	`er, :(`
`06:25.50`	`mhall`	`lunitik: so is the kde competitior kat`
`06:25.51`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, also gnome doesn't always put the application straight into the gnome menu`
`06:25.53`	`Arsion`	`back`
`06:26.00`	`lunitik`	`mhall: Its fine for me right now...`
`06:26.00`	`litage`	`beoba: hrm, must be from a different channel. hah`
`06:26.01`	`Arsion`	`falkon: didnt change anything`
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`06:26.11`	`litage`	`Brian_L: rather than fishing, ask a real question`
`06:26.12`	`mhall`	`i love kde's run dialog, it caches lots of commands and has sensible keyboard gestures`
`06:26.18`	`mhall`	`i use that pigfucker all the time`
`06:26.33`	`mhall`	`with some practice i can do almost everything in kde with kb gestures very very fast`
`06:26.34`	`Brian_L`	`i like fishing :)`
`06:26.38`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, this is the fundimental flaw of the start menu and the KDE menu`
`06:26.48`	`mhall`	`i love it because it has clear displays and pretty normal modifier keys`
`06:26.53`	`mhall`	`so now i am extremely productive`
`06:26.54`	`nixUX`	`and now the friggin gnome menu`
`06:27.01`	`mhall`	`which is pretty funny considering i type with two fingers`
`06:27.05`	`sidizen`	`hey what package do i need to install to fix this`
`06:27.06`	`sidizen`	`/usr/sbin/mkinitrd /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs`
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`06:27.16`	`mhall`	`i have the wackiest typing method there can be`
`06:27.16`	`sidizen`	`some sort of mkinitramfs package?`
`06:27.17`	`litage`	`keyboard shortcuts are the way to go. you become so fast and don't have to keep reaching for the mouse`
`06:27.25`	`peterS`	`sidizen: either yaird or initramfstools, probably`
`06:27.25`	`mhall`	`yet i still do perhaps 40-50 wpm`
`06:27.35`	`litage`	`sidizen: yaird is probably what you want`
`06:27.36`	`mhall`	`litage: and the kde kbd configurator is very powerful`
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`06:27.44`	`peterS`	`sidizen: I've never tried initramfs-tools, only yaird`
`06:27.46`	`mhall`	`litage: it took 10 sec to make compose key work`
`06:27.47`	`litage`	`mhall: don't think i know of that one`
`06:27.53`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: technically... if it doesn't... you're supposed to file bugs against gamin or the offending app... depending on who's fault it is...`
`06:27.57`	`mhall`	`litage: äöü`
`06:27.59`	`zeeble`	`Anyone here has a Compaq Presario 1800 series notebook?`
`06:28.08`	`lunitik`	`nixUX: hell... even Windows apps via Wine add them correctly here :/`
`06:28.11`	`mhall`	`litage: ÄÖÜ`
`06:28.13`	`litage`	`zeeble: rather than fishing, ask a real question`
`06:28.15`	`nixUX`	`rant, rant, die`
`06:28.15`	`streuner`	`zeeble: no`
`06:28.28`	`mhall`	`litage: very helpful for german`
`06:28.32`	`mhall`	`litage: ß`
`06:28.32`	`Brian_L`	`Im trying to get sound working on my motherboard, i googled abit and found out i can use the intel8x0 module. the module inserts without errors yet i can adress my mixer using rexima or gnome mixer`
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`06:28.36`	`litage`	`mhall: umm...those last 2 msgs of yours came out garbled for me`
`06:28.39`	`streuner`	`zeeble: /msg dpkg laptop`
`06:28.44`	`mhall`	`litage: yeah i use UTF8`
`06:28.51`	`sidizen`	`damn how come i keep getting this authentication error? how do i fix it...i tried the key that dpkg tells me`
`06:28.59`	`zeeble`	`And no, it is not on the laptop list. A relatively new model.`
`06:28.59`	`litage`	`mhall: sprechst-du deutsche?`
`06:29.13`	`Brian_L`	`typo, i cant use my mixer with either rexima or gnome mixer`
`06:29.25`	`nixUX`	`lunitik, how is a user supposed to find a application is a menu that covers half the screen in submenus?, it's just quicker to type it's name`
`06:29.25`	`mhall`	`litage: Ja. Natürlich sprech ich Deutsch. Ich habe die Sprach seit 1998 gelernt.`
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`06:29.34`	`peterS`	`<mhall> litage: ��`
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`06:29.55`	`nixUX`	`or the first part, in gnome-run`
`06:30.01`	`mhall`	`litage: Heute hatte ich Prüfung in meiner deutschsprachigen Grammatikunterricht.`
`06:30.15`	`EdLin`	`!de`
`06:30.15`	`dpkg`	`Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de`
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`06:30.28`	`litage`	`mhall: nice. i started teaching myself german when i started travelling around Australia. sofa king many german-speaking backpackers here, i thought i might as well learn from'em =P`
`06:30.29`	`mhall`	`litage: Das war ein wenig schwierig für mich aber ich glaube ich kriegte eine 1 oder 2.`
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`06:30.38`	`mhall`	`EdLin: alright no more`
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`06:30.52`	`litage`	`mhall: 'fraid my german's not quite at the same level yours is`
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`06:30.59`	`mhall`	`litage: keep at it`
`06:31.05`	`litage`	`mhall: oh i will!`
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`06:31.06`	`mhall`	`litage: they're the world's largest exporter`
`06:31.12`	`litage`	`mhall: warum ist die banane krumm?`
`06:31.15`	`mhall`	`litage: it's bound to be useful for something`
`06:31.20`	`streuner`	`litage: no worries, he speak very well german...`
`06:31.38`	`litage`	`learn me! learn me the langooge good`
`06:31.48`	`mhall`	`litage: Vielleicht sollst du mal kingsley_ fragen.`
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`06:32.10`	`sidizen`	`it there some bug in sid now with authentication?`
`06:32.10`	`EdLin`	`the only German phrase I know is "Seig heil!"`
`06:32.18`	`mhall`	`litage: Wir sollen immer versuchen, auf seinen Tag zu scheißen.`
`06:32.24`	`thc`	`s/seig/sieg/g`
`06:32.27`	`mhall`	`streuner: hallo`
`06:32.45`	`streuner`	`EdLin: 'Sieg heil' NOT 'Seig heil' :-)`
`06:32.46`	`EdLin`	`thc: see, I don't even know that.`
`06:32.50`	`nixUX`	`I remember getting 93% in my german test many , many years ago at school :-)`
`06:32.58`	`streuner`	`mhall: hi :-)`
`06:33.33`	`mhall`	`streuner: Das Leben ist süß mit UTF-8. Und hoffentlich kriegte ich 1 oder 2 bei der Prüfung...`
`06:33.42`	`thc`	`hey`
`06:33.48`	`litage`	`mhall: enschuldegong, aber ich kanne nicht verstehst due`
`06:33.48`	`peterS`	`!de`
`06:33.48`	`dpkg`	`Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de`
`06:33.49`	`thc`	`enough with the german krautboy`
`06:33.52`	`litage`	`s/due/du/`
`06:33.59`	`litage`	`hahah`
`06:34.05`	`thc`	`!kingsleysmite mhall`
`06:34.05`	`nixUX`	`that was about 20 years ago`
`06:34.05`	`dpkg`	`mhall: You're nothing but a btt shtting r*tard!`
`06:34.07`	`nixUX`	`:-)`
`06:34.13`	`streuner`	`peterS: you don't speak german?`
`06:34.19`	`mhall`	`thc: ah that cuts fucking deep right there`
`06:34.21`	`peterS`	`streuner: almost none`
`06:34.24`	`mhall`	`thc: fucking deep indeed`
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`06:34.42`	`mhall`	`thc: there's nothing i love better than thinking of ways to shit on kingsley_'s day`
`06:34.55`	`thc`	`apparently.`
`06:34.58`	`mhall`	`thc: it's so satisfying to have an enemy that deserves to be an enemy`
`06:35.13`	`mhall`	`thc: but at the same time is so laughably incompetent that one need not legitimately fear him`
`06:35.17`	`EdLin`	`mhall: that's what Hitler said too.`
`06:35.19`	`peterS`	`you must lead a very satisfying life. antagonizing kingsley_ seems like such a worthwhile pursuit.`
`06:35.37`	`mhall`	`EdLin: sorry?`
`06:35.49`	`nixUX`	`dpkg, i'll take your dpkg and stuff it right where the fuckin sun dont shine, yer sht house :->`
`06:35.55`	`EdLin`	`"it's so satisfying to have an enemy that deserves to be an enemy"`
`06:36.02`	`mhall`	`peterS: compared to the other stupid shit i have to do antagonizing kingsley_ is pretty fucking fun`
`06:36.12`	`EdLin`	`wtf is kingsley_?`
`06:36.19`	`mhall`	`EdLin: precisely in that manner? if so, rather chilling. because i said it on the fly`
`06:36.23`	`Arsion`	`falkon: testing something afk`
`06:36.29`	`mhall`	`EdLin: one sec`
`06:36.32`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I was kidding, I don't think he said that.`
`06:36.43`	`peterS`	`mhall: well, presumably Hitler said it in German, so he probably said it in #debian.de`
`06:37.23`	`peterS`	`what was his irc nick, anyway? fU3hr3r?`
`06:37.32`	`mhall`	`EdLin: !tell EdLin about kingsley`
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`06:37.57`	`mhall`	`peterS: well, you know, i meant all translational technicalities aside`
`06:38.05`	`arafangion`	`Why can't I print to my printer?`
`06:38.12`	`SimonRaven`	`because`
`06:38.18`	`Arsion`	`falkon_: figure it out`
`06:38.24`	`streuner`	`arafangion: what printer do you have?`
`06:38.27`	`mhall`	`arafangion: have you installed cups, set it up, and printed a test page`
`06:38.41`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and have you looked up the support for your printer on linux printing site`
`06:38.49`	`streuner`	`arafangion: HP inkjet?`
`06:38.54`	`mhall`	`arafangion: generally you need to install gimp print and cups demon to get it to work`
`06:39.03`	`arafangion`	`http://pastebin.com/434025`
`06:39.04`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and from there you then must configure it in cups`
`06:39.09`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and from there do test page`
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`06:39.21`	`EdLin`	`arafangion: or you can use apsfilter + your existing lpr`
`06:39.23`	`arafangion`	`mhall: As well as cupsys-bsd, gs, and aoo that other stuff, there's a part of the log on debug.`
`06:39.24`	`falkon`	`Arsion: sorry what? I'm trying to set up blue tooth`
`06:39.31`	`arafangion`	`EdLin: What existing lpr?`
`06:39.39`	`mhall`	`arafangion: yeah sorry was waiting for it; slow load despite fiber pipe`
`06:39.49`	`EdLin`	`arafangion: the *BSD-style lpr that's Debian's default rather than CUPS.`
`06:39.55`	`mhall`	`arafangion: so figured i'd spout off usual obvious things to try at same time`
`06:39.59`	`Award`	`While the subject of printers is up, can anyone think of a printer issue that would cause (through many revisions of lprng and the drivers) for a Samsung ML-1710 with the MFRs drivers) a situation where you can print only one print job every time you boot? After the one, the next never gets sent to the printer. (USB printer) Reboot, and I can print another.`
`06:40.00`	`arafangion`	`EdLin: Debian doesn't have lpr by default.`
`06:40.14`	`mhall`	`arafangion: probably need to do dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`06:40.19`	`Arsion`	`falkon: i figured it out. turns out i needed to add wireless-essid wireless-key and wireless-mode into /etc/network/interfaces`
`06:40.20`	`arafangion`	`Thanks.`
`06:40.21`	`EdLin`	`arafangion: then how come I have it even though I didn't install it?`
`06:40.21`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and make sure valid values are selected`
`06:40.36`	`falkon`	`Arsion: that's what I told you to do.`
`06:40.45`	`Award`	`It worked at one time, then stopped long ago but I don't know what would have broken it, and everything I tried seems to fail.`
`06:40.50`	`falkon`	`Arsion: my msg must have been blocked`
`06:40.53`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Ok, that was yet another thing that wasn't installed. Why doesn't foomatic list this as a dependency?`
`06:41.00`	`Arsion`	`falkon: yeah, cause i didnt get it`
`06:41.08`	`mhall`	`arafangion: well linux printing is sort of bizarre`
`06:41.15`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Indeed.`
`06:41.17`	`mhall`	`arafangion: there is more than one kind of driver for most printers`
`06:41.23`	`mhall`	`arafangion: some of which work better than others`
`06:41.36`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Yet foomatic requires locales, gs, and all that, yet it doesn't install them.`
`06:41.51`	`mhall`	`arafangion: from what i can tell gimp print works best along with official hp *jet driver when allowed`
`06:41.52`	`EdLin`	`I've found hpijs works well for my HP inkjet printer, and can be used with either apsfilter+lpr or CUPS.`
`06:42.09`	`mhall`	`arafangion: foomatic can be pretty weird because it supports so many different situations`
`06:42.12`	`peterS`	`there are so many strange things about the printing situation in unix in general, most of which debian hasn't really solved`
`06:42.30`	`EdLin`	`hpijs is the official HP driver, which is apt-getable.`
`06:42.33`	`mhall`	`arafangion: if they made it depend on all that shit people who would have issues when they install it would not be able to proceed`
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`06:42.56`	`arafangion`	`<censored>, what damn locales do I use? How do I select the 'C' locale?`
`06:42.59`	`mhall`	`arafangion: but always after an hour or two of hackery and 50m of packages i can get my epson printing better than windows`
`06:43.05`	`mhall`	`arafangion: C is always there`
`06:43.14`	`mhall`	`arafangion: also put en_US ISO 8859-1`
`06:43.16`	`mhall`	`arafangion: also put en_US ISO 8859-15`
`06:43.19`	`mhall`	`arafangion: also put en_US ISO UTF8`
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`06:43.23`	`arafangion`	`mhall: I put in en_AU`
`06:43.25`	`mhall`	`arafangion: make 8859 1 default`
`06:43.29`	`mhall`	`arafangion: yeah AU is better`
`06:43.44`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i was just giving general english lang example`
`06:43.44`	`Nebetsu`	`I'm having problems with my ATI Radeon 7000 VE. Whenever I use it, there are multicolored lines everywhere and looks really messed up. I can barely read anything with it. >.<`
`06:43.47`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I've been wondering if debhelper will kick you for flooding. ;-)`
`06:43.56`	`mhall`	`arafangion: since that's what appeared to be your native lang`
`06:44.08`	`mhall`	`EdLin: yeah i try not to be an ass about flooding because i feel bad about it`
`06:44.22`	`mhall`	`EdLin: but right now tonight i'm very weirdly hyper and in a stream of consciousness mode`
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`06:44.29`	`SimonRaven`	`they've got a whole /19, 64.233.161.107 in ASN15169 64.233.160.0/19`
`06:44.35`	`EdLin`	`mhall: well, it was OK by me, but sometimes debhelper will kick you for that.`
`06:44.37`	`mhall`	`EdLin: hence typing much faster and more freeform than what i'd normally do as you probably notice`
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`06:44.55`	`mhall`	`EdLin: right i was just explaining it on the off chance that you were confused or offended`
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`06:44.58`	`foo_`	`What CLI phone dialing app would you recommend? Pretty much I want to be able to dial a number via my modem.`
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`06:45.09`	`thc`	`dial up ewww!`
`06:45.10`	`EdLin`	`mhall: np`
`06:45.14`	`mhall`	`EdLin: i find that explaining things clearly makes it easier for people to understand what i'm up to`
`06:45.29`	`mhall`	`EdLin: there was a long stretch of time where i was on everybody's shitlist here`
`06:45.32`	`EdLin`	`foo_: use pppconfig and then use pon/poff to dial`
`06:45.39`	`mhall`	`EdLin: so i'm trying to avoid going back to that :-)`
`06:45.43`	`foo_`	`EdLin: Thanks`
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`06:46.08`	`mhall`	`EdLin: in fact for the past couple minutes of discussion i was so well focused i could not even hear my pc fans`
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`06:46.31`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Now my error is: http://pastebin.com/434031`
`06:46.34`	`mhall`	`EdLin: that is a pretty rare occurrence for me because it's loud and i tend to come out of focus pretty easily`
`06:46.36`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I don't pay much attention to my fans too, the elevated subway in front of my building makes more noise. ;-)`
`06:46.38`	`thc`	`mhall: you run a fanless case though`
`06:46.39`	`mhall`	`arafangion: alright i will peek`
`06:46.44`	`mhall`	`EdLin: oof quite loud`
`06:46.57`	`mhall`	`thc: no i have 7200 rpm 60 mm copper cpu cooler`
`06:47.02`	`mhall`	`thc: 3 psu fans`
`06:47.06`	`arafangion`	`mhall: The printer lives on: smb://r2d2/Brother`
`06:47.08`	`mhall`	`thc: and 4 80 mm case fans`
`06:47.13`	`mhall`	`arafangion: ok`
`06:47.20`	`foo`	`EdLin: What are the odds I can dial a number and play a mp3 or something to the line ?`
`06:47.26`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I know some people who's bedroom is in the front of the building - they have trouble sleeping, I'm lucky so I'm in the back and have a prettier view / less noise`
`06:47.29`	`thc`	`ehm. so basically it sounds like a helicopter landing on your desk`
`06:47.37`	`EdLin`	`foo: you aren't making much sense.`
`06:47.57`	`arafangion`	`EdLin: foo's generally don't, they're just a placeholder for more important things.`
`06:48.07`	`foo`	`EdLin: If I wanted to dial a number via my winmodem and play an mp3 clip into the phone line ... so whoever the system is calling`
`06:48.11`	`foo`	`arafangion: :P`
`06:48.24`	`mhall`	`arafangion: ok my guess is this is the issue D [19/Nov/2005:04:56:22 +1100] [Job 7] Unknown device: hl1250`
`06:48.28`	`EdLin`	`foo: are you on crack?`
`06:48.30`	`mhall`	`arafangion: now i will explain`
`06:48.40`	`nixUX`	`foo, sounds illegal to me :-)`
`06:48.43`	`foo`	`EdLin: haha, do you get what I'm saying`
`06:48.45`	`peterS`	`foo: you'll want to check www.linmodems.org for driver compatibility and software availability for that sort of thing`
`06:48.47`	`foo`	`nixUX: I'm just playing around. hehe`
`06:48.52`	`foo`	`peterS: hm,, ok`
`06:49.00`	`peterS`	`foo: it's not something we know much about around here, I suspect.`
`06:49.06`	`arafangion`	`mhall: That printer was entirely configured via http://localhost:631`
`06:49.13`	`peterS`	`foo: and yes, I knew exactly what you were asking - maybe I'm just more with it than EdLin right now`
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`06:49.34`	`foo`	`hehe`
`06:49.35`	`mhall`	`arafangion: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=hl1250&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386&page=1&number=all`
`06:49.52`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i believe you need that accessory pack for foomatic to get working PPD for the printer`
`06:50.05`	`mhall`	`arafangion: my interpretation of the error log is that it is missing that ppd file`
`06:50.13`	`mhall`	`arafangion: sorry printing sucks so much`
`06:50.40`	`mhall`	`arafangion: but i swear once you install a third world country's GDP worth of bandwidth worth of debs it really should work`
`06:50.41`	`arafangion`	`mhall: How can it be missing that? I've installed foomatic-filters-ppds and then configured it only via "lynx http://localhost:631"`
`06:50.43`	`EdLin`	`foo: if pon isn't dialing your modem, something's wrong. Could be your driver, could be it's missing a device node for your modem. (I have a PCI hardware modem that 2.6 kernels put on ttyS14 - which has to be ./MAKEDEV'd into existence.)`
`06:50.53`	`mhall`	`arafangion: alright i was not sure package was installed`
`06:51.07`	`nixUX`	`I wish I shafted my mums computer up before she shafted me :-)`
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`06:51.10`	`mhall`	`arafangion: can you try reconfiguring printer to use GIMP Print instead of foomatic`
`06:51.21`	`foo`	`EdLin: hmm. 0000:00:0a.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem .. that's what lspci see's. So it see's it ... that's a stop`
`06:51.24`	`arafangion`	`mhall: I find better results if I use foomatic for this particular printer.`
`06:51.35`	`mhall`	`arafangion: also please find page for printer on linuxprinting.org and see if they have tips`
`06:51.39`	`peterS`	`nixUX: you can keep thoughts about your shaft and your mum to yourself, thanks`
`06:51.51`	`teknomage`	`lol`
`06:51.51`	`EdLin`	`foo: lucent winmodem chips are supported with drivers you can download somewhere.`
`06:51.58`	`arafangion`	`mhall: I have another system which was entirely installed from source, everything works.`
`06:52.02`	`nixUX`	`peterS, lmao`
`06:52.14`	`peterS`	`foo: right, www.linmodems.org knows all about lucent chipsets, last I checked, so just see what they have to say`
`06:52.26`	`mhall`	`arafangion: damn`
`06:52.29`	`foo`	`peterS: Yup. Reading on there. thnks`
`06:52.46`	`mhall`	`arafangion: one sec`
`06:53.13`	`Arsion`	`does anyone know where OpenSSL is installed to?`
`06:53.21`	`mhall`	`arafangion: please post to following http://lists.debian.org/debian-printing/`
`06:53.23`	`arafangion`	`mhall: This is Sarge, btw.`
`06:53.26`	`mhall`	`arafangion: also debian-user`
`06:53.37`	`EdLin`	`Arsion: which openssl`
`06:53.41`	`peterS`	`Arsion: just to /usr, I think`
`06:53.42`	`mhall`	`arafangion: problem is we are to the point where we need a subject matter expert`
`06:53.51`	`nixUX`	`whereis openssl`
`06:53.53`	`peterS`	`Arsion: you'll need the libssl0.9.7-dev or libssl0.9.8-dev package, or so`
`06:53.54`	`mhall`	`arafangion: the best i can offer you is a list of the hacks i've used in the past`
`06:54.11`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and we need to move past that to the level of a printer admin or a printer shit developer`
`06:54.11`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: yeh, it's called a topic ;)`
`06:54.13`	`peterS`	`Arsion: but like the openssl user binary is just in /usr/bin/`
`06:54.19`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: ?`
`06:54.29`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: somehow i didn't parse that right`
`06:54.40`	`SimonRaven`	`"subject matter expert"`
`06:54.56`	`peterS`	`SimonRaven: he actually meant "expert specifically in cups/foomatic printing"`
`06:54.57`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: but i'm not seeing how that connects back to topic`
`06:55.15`	`Arsion`	`peterS: actually, trying to configure unrealircd and its asking for OpenSSL's installed location. Its already been installed using apt-get`
`06:55.41`	`EdLin`	`CUPS is the sendmail of the 21st century, well, maybe not that bad, but that's why I use apsfilter.`
`06:55.47`	`loxley_`	`Arsion: it should find it itself`
`06:55.48`	`peterS`	`Arsion: well, the 'openssl' package provides /usr/bin/openssl, the binary, but doesn't give you the development environments to compile stuff against the openssl libraries`
`06:55.57`	`peterS`	`Arsion: thus the libssl0.9.7-dev and libssl0.9.8-dev packages`
`06:56.00`	`mhall`	`arafangion: but if you make a quick 10-minute post onto the print and user lists i'm quite sure you will have a correct working answer in a day`
`06:56.07`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and justification for why it works`
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`06:56.10`	`loxley_`	`Arsion: if you run the install script`
`06:56.21`	`foo`	`peterS: http://www.heby.de/ltmodem - I am here on the debian part.. pretty much I need a kernel that has these drivers, eh?`
`06:56.21`	`Arsion`	`peterS: Ah, so thats why it had the default spot blank`
`06:56.23`	`peterS`	`Arsion: most likely you need a devel environment, not just the runtime libraries and the binary`
`06:56.26`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i couldn't offer you the satisfaction of either of these cause i never hacked on printer shit before`
`06:56.36`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: yt?`
`06:56.48`	`SimonRaven`	`yt?`
`06:56.55`	`arafangion`	`mhall: sigh, installing some extra programs fixed it.`
`06:57.09`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: you didn't elaborate any further on your comment`
`06:57.12`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, you both missed the joke, lame as it was. NM`
`06:57.16`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: and i was hoping you would explain`
`06:57.23`	`mhall`	`!poke SimonRaven`
`06:57.24`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Talk about lack of dependency management in the package system.`
`06:57.44`	`mhall`	`arafangion: yes i am sorry i was not able to give you a more correct or satisfying answer`
`06:57.46`	`peterS`	`foo: I didn't follow any of the links there but I'm guessing you won't see a driver packaged specifically for each of debian's shipping kernel images. you'll probably need to build it yourself`
`06:57.46`	`SimonRaven`	`heh`
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`06:58.00`	`foo`	`peterS: actually, there is one. I'm install it now. /me crosses fingers`
`06:58.07`	`arafangion`	`mhall: You certainly gave more than a hint, though - 16:51 < mhall> arafangion: but i swear once you install a third world country's GDP worth of bandwidth worth of debs it really should work`
`06:58.07`	`mhall`	`arafangion: it would be good if you wrote a post about the problem to at least try to begin this discussion with the relevant experts`
`06:58.12`	`foo`	`Where do I put a bash script if I want it to start up once on start up ?`
`06:58.13`	`peterS`	`foo: you need an exact match to your kernel version ('uname -r'), note`
`06:58.25`	`foo`	`peterS: actually, this package installs the matching kernel.`
`06:58.30`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i would like to see that your efforts resulted in some kind of meaningful improvement`
`06:58.43`	`peterS`	`foo: oh well, I don't know anything about that. but best of luck`
`06:58.50`	`foo`	`peterS: Thanks Peter`
`06:58.51`	`teknomage`	`uhm..i was looking at some those files and my question is "wtf is an openssl_fips_fingerprint? i seem to have one`
`06:58.58`	`mhall`	`arafangion: yeah every time i get a printer to work it takes a totally different permutation of random bizarre fucking crap printer debs`
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`06:59.05`	`Arsion`	`peterS: ummm, i cant find those files. I found libssl-dev libssl0.9.6 libssl0.9.8 libssl0.9.7 but not the ones you said`
`06:59.06`	`SimonRaven`	`that's funny in a geo-politik kinda way`
`06:59.07`	`peterS`	`my only two winmodems are ISA-based, which means I can't use them in my main computer anyway, even if I had drivers for them, which nobody seems to ship`
`06:59.23`	`arafangion`	`mhall: From memory, this problem still existed in potato and oldstable`
`06:59.25`	`foo`	`I want a bash script to run when I start my system ... where do I put it?`
`06:59.26`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i wonder how many third world countries i denuded to get bandwidth to download printer packages and good Unicode fonts`
`06:59.29`	`peterS`	`Arsion: probably libssl-dev then. I've lost track of what the package is called in sarge`
`06:59.34`	`mhall`	`arafangion: mos def in every debian i have used`
`06:59.47`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i think the problem transcends debian to the very core of unix printing`
`06:59.50`	`peterS`	`!rc.local`
`06:59.50`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc.`
`06:59.57`	`mhall`	`arafangion: as i believe peterS said`
`07:00.03`	`mhall`	`peterS: correct me if i am wrong`
`07:00.05`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Now, let's see if I can print the damn file I wanted to... :) /etc/postfix/masters.cf`
`07:00.08`	`Arsion`	`peterS: and all but the dev is installed. But when i go to install it, i get this "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7e-3sarge1) but 0.9.7g-5 is to be installed"`
`07:00.15`	`mhall`	`arafangion: try a2ps`
`07:00.22`	`peterS`	`mhall: correct, debian inherited the printing messes (plural!) from unix in general`
`07:00.23`	`mhall`	`arafangion: should give you pretty print`
`07:00.38`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah i wanted to be sure i had proper attribution`
`07:00.46`	`peterS`	`Arsion: I wonder where you are getting 0.9.7g-5 from. that shouldn't be in sarge.`
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`07:00.55`	`Arsion`	`peterS: dont ask me lol`
`07:01.00`	`mhall`	`i wonder what my usual #debian detractors would have to say to me right about now`
`07:01.06`	`mhall`	`would they appreciate that i try to help`
`07:01.10`	`arafangion`	`mhall, peterS: Perhaps, but debian should at the very least provide some sane defaults, perhaps a nicely-packaged "cups-printer-system", Much in the style of x-window-system`
`07:01.21`	`peterS`	`Arsion: wherever you're getting 0.9.7g-5 from, they might have a libssl0.9.7-dev package too`
`07:01.24`	`mhall`	`or chastize me for the bizarre approaches i use and weird things i say`
`07:01.24`	`zxsykco`	`Anyone know where I should go to get a nice copy of debian sarge?`
`07:01.27`	`EdLin`	`mhall: you seem to be pretty helpful, sorry for picking on you. :-)`
`07:01.53`	`peterS`	`mhall: I figure people would just write you off for the meth you're clearly on this evening`
`07:01.57`	`Arsion`	`peterS: well, apt-cache search only lists the above`
`07:01.57`	`mhall`	`EdLin: no it's ok, i agree i was probably over the top vís-a-vís flooding`
`07:01.59`	`arafangion`	`zxsykco: Download the two bootfloppies from a debian.org mirror or something.`
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`07:02.14`	`teknomage`	`dpkg, i made a local.sh in the /etc/inet.d and then created symlinks to the various runlevels, to run the noip dynamic updater without having to login to the root account`
`07:02.19`	`mhall`	`peterS: no nothing of the kind actually. just had a can of Guinness to shit on old kingsley_ yet again`
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`07:02.28`	`zxsykco`	`Allrights, thanks!`
`07:02.30`	`mhall`	`peterS: oops i just uttered a profanity`
`07:02.34`	`mhall`	`peterS: fuck-a-duck`
`07:02.47`	`zxsykco`	`^_^`
`07:02.49`	`peterS`	`Arsion: well, libssl-dev goes with libssl0.9.7 version 0.9.7e-3sarge1, and I'm guessing version 0.9.7g is from sid or something`
`07:02.58`	`Arsion`	`sid?`
`07:03.01`	`zxsykco`	`QUACK, QUACK, FLUSH!`
`07:03.07`	`mhall`	`zxsykco: what's crack-a-lackin homeslice?`
`07:03.36`	`loxley_`	`teknomage: there is ddclient, that will fix dynamic updates for you..`
`07:03.47`	`EdLin`	`Arsion: I don't think you're running Debian, which might be the source of why our help isn't working for you.`
`07:03.51`	`zxsykco`	`Nathan, downin' the debian sarge and gonna drop ubuntu off of this box for good.`
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`07:04.08`	`peterS`	`Arsion: anyway, until you figure out where the libssl0.9.7 version 0.9.7g-5 is coming from, I'm not sure what to say`
`07:04.11`	`Arsion`	`Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`07:04.18`	`peterS`	`Arsion: try this: apt-cache policy libssl0.9.7`
`07:04.22`	`EdLin`	`Arsion: that means nothing.`
`07:04.23`	`Daveman`	`hey peterS :0`
`07:04.24`	`arafangion`	`sigh`
`07:04.25`	`Daveman`	`:)`
`07:04.30`	`peterS`	`hey Daveman`
`07:04.35`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Now I have to deal with crap about the margins :(`
`07:04.57`	`mhall`	`arafangion: shitstick`
`07:05.05`	`mhall`	`arafangion: perhaps make sure libpaper is installed`
`07:05.10`	`mhall`	`arafangion: set it to US Letter`
`07:05.11`	`Arsion`	`peterS: want me to paste that here? its about 10 lines`
`07:05.17`	`mhall`	`arafangion: or A4 or what the shit ever`
`07:05.25`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Already done.`
`07:05.27`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and then restart cups`
`07:05.29`	`peterS`	`Arsion: no, just figure out from the table it gives where 0.9.7g-5 is coming from`
`07:05.41`	`mhall`	`arafangion: additionally please check conf files of cups`
`07:05.42`	`peterS`	`Arsion: you can paste the one line corresponding to that version, if you aren't sure what it means`
`07:05.46`	`Arsion`	`weird`
`07:05.49`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i believe some of them store this`
`07:05.49`	`Arsion`	`100 /var/lib/dpkg/status`
`07:06.01`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i suggest fgrep -ir the cups dir for the string paper`
`07:06.06`	`peterS`	`Arsion: /var/lib/dpkg/status means what is currently installed`
`07:06.09`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i know it's ugly but i think i had to edit this once`
`07:06.20`	`mhall`	`arafangion: also you better check paper size in a2ps conf file`
`07:06.26`	`Arsion`	`well, the other 2 points to the 'e' file`
`07:06.37`	`peterS`	`Arsion: are you saying you've got 0.9.7g-5 installed but libssl-dev is also still installed even though it conflicts?`
`07:06.38`	`mhall`	`arafangion: cause a2ps is gay (for lack of better insult) and does not always use system wide paper size`
`07:06.50`	`teknomage`	`loxley, for the noip DUC? it seems to require root permissions to run, so it was the only way i could get it to run at boottime without logging in`
`07:06.53`	`arafangion`	`fipex:/etc/cups# grep -ir margin *`
`07:06.53`	`arafangion`	`fipex:/etc/cups#`
`07:07.27`	`Arsion`	`no, it wont install`
`07:07.36`	`mhall`	`arafangion: try greppin for paper`
`07:07.40`	`mhall`	`arafangion: and for a4`
`07:07.42`	`peterS`	`Arsion: and yet according to apt-cache policy it is installed`
`07:07.47`	`arafangion`	`mhall: It's in /etc/a2ps.cfg`
`07:07.55`	`mhall`	`arafangion: yeah i figured`
`07:08.01`	`mhall`	`arafangion: bloody morons don't use libpaper`
`07:08.08`	`mhall`	`arafangion: rather cheek of them`
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`07:08.17`	`mhall`	`arafangion: i think maybe it's time to file bts report`
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`07:08.37`	`shai_`	`hey, when i load bitch-x the ansi looks crappy... is there a way to make my system load ansis good... ?`
`07:08.55`	`peterS`	`Arsion: anyway, you can do 'apt-get install --force-downgrade libssl0.9.7' or something like that, to go back to 0.9.7e-3sarge1`
`07:08.55`	`mhall`	`arafangion: it claims in the a2ps-site cfg to use it`
`07:09.04`	`mhall`	`arafangion: but it does not always seem to work right in my case`
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`07:09.13`	`Arsion`	`peterS: what i mean, the policy says Installed: 0.9.7g-5 Candidate: 0.9.7g-5 Version table: 0.9.7g-5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 0.9.7e-3sarge1 0 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages and the last part points to the same 500`
`07:09.14`	`mhall`	`arafangion: btw random question does .AU actually use A4 paper`
`07:09.30`	`EdLin`	`shai_: switch to irssi-text and forget about the ANSI ;-)`
`07:09.30`	`Arsion`	`Command line option --force-downgrade is not understood`
`07:09.36`	`mhall`	`shai_: please consider switching to irssi-text`
`07:09.40`	`peterS`	`Arsion: hmm, or try this: 'apt-get install libssl0.9.7/stable'`
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`07:09.48`	`mhall`	`shai_: bx is a pretty bad client; and this is from a guy who used to use it`
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`07:09.58`	`mhall`	`shai_: so i'm not just saying it to be an asshole`
`07:10.05`	`shai_`	`mhall, yeah... but i always liked the name`
`07:10.09`	`Arsion`	`that worked`
`07:10.13`	`mhall`	`shai_: alias it`
`07:10.16`	`peterS`	`Arsion: all else fails: http://packages.debian.org/libssl0.9.7, follow the links to the stable version and download that and install it with 'dpkg -i libssl0.9.7_*.deb'`
`07:10.16`	`SlayerXP`	`good morning girls and boys`
`07:10.22`	`shai_`	`mhall, what are you using now?`
`07:10.31`	`mhall`	`shai_: irssi-text as we speak`
`07:10.34`	`shai_`	`oh`
`07:10.34`	`shai_`	`;)`
`07:10.36`	`mhall`	`shai_: and it's what i use in general`
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`07:10.41`	`Arsion`	`hmm, need to figure out whats with my wireless connection`
`07:10.45`	`peterS`	`good morning, Mr. XP`
`07:10.46`	`Arsion`	`only getting about 26kbps`
`07:10.50`	`EdLin`	`irssi > *`
`07:10.51`	`mhall`	`arafangion: it's a wireless connection`
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`07:10.53`	`mhall`	`arafangion: QED`
`07:10.55`	`zxsykco`	`Any diff between 3.1 r0 and 3.1 r0a?`
`07:11.03`	`SlayerXP`	`zxsykco: "a"`
`07:11.04`	`peterS`	`zxsykco: very very tiny difference`
`07:11.15`	`zxsykco`	`Which would you prefer of the two?`
`07:11.17`	`arafangion`	`mhall: I'm using a wireless connection too :)`
`07:11.19`	`mhall`	`arafangion: sorry i know it's an assholish answer but i always am very angry at wireless`
`07:11.19`	`shai_`	`mhall, yeah but bitch-x just sounds more cooler though ;)`
`07:11.20`	`peterS`	`zxsykco: the installer puts 'testing' instead of 'stable' somewhere in your default /etc/apt/sources.list file`
`07:11.21`	`EdLin`	`zxsykco: the a fixes a bug where the security archive isn't in /etc/apt/source.list`
`07:11.27`	`peterS`	`zxsykco: that had to be corrected, but nothing else changed`
`07:11.27`	`streuner`	`zxsykco: a bug was in r0 (sources.list)`
`07:11.32`	`arafangion`	`mhall: And yes, .AU almost exclusively uses A4`
`07:11.35`	`mhall`	`shai_: alias bitchx to irssi-text in your shell config`
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`07:11.44`	`zxsykco`	`Ah, thanks again! ^_^`
`07:11.52`	`mhall`	`arafangion: yeah makes sense, i just wasn't sure if they were with the euros or not`
`07:12.04`	`shai_`	`hheh`
`07:12.09`	`SlayerXP`	`arafangion: you mean that .au is the only country that uses a4, or that a4 is the only paper size .au uses?`
`07:12.38`	`EdLin`	`SlayerXP: I think a4 is used in europe`
`07:12.47`	`robbat2`	`any security types here? i'm looking at digital signing and verification across multiple distros and I was hoping to find somebody knowledgable in signing practices for .deb files`
`07:12.51`	`SlayerXP`	`EdLin: me too, hene my question :)`
`07:12.58`	`mhall`	`EdLin: s/I think/mhall knows/g`
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`07:13.22`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Gutes altes treues A4`
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`07:13.24`	`mhall`	`EdLin: ;-)`
`07:13.26`	`peterS`	`robbat2: you can't sign an individual deb file, unfortuantely`
`07:13.26`	`arafangion`	`mhall: sigh`
`07:13.38`	`mhall`	`arafangion: sigh to which?`
`07:13.38`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Appears that the ppd encodes the margins DIRECTLY in the ppd itself.`
`07:13.47`	`mhall`	`arafangion: fux0r`
`07:13.54`	`mhall`	`arafangion: this is mos. def. sux0r`
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`07:14.00`	`peterS`	`robbat2: what you do instead is sign the archive the file is distributed from, and the archive includes an md5sum file to verify individual debs`
`07:14.10`	`robbat2`	`peterS: is there no way to verify the integrity of the contents of a .deb file? looking at the structure it should be possible to sign the control file in the .deb`
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`07:14.31`	`peterS`	`robbat2: you can but AFAIK the tools don't check for that yet. it's been soemthing people have been asking about and talking about for years`
`07:14.39`	`arafangion`	`*PageSize A4/A4: "<</PageSize[595 842]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"`
`07:14.49`	`mhall`	`arafangion: shitstick`
`07:14.57`	`EdLin`	`mhall: file with the DEA for your crack-smoker's license. ;-)`
`07:14.58`	`mhall`	`arafangion: you need that like you need a hole in your head`
`07:15.01`	`peterS`	`robbat2: for packages that come from ftp.debian.org, the tools do verify the integrity of the archive via the 'Release' and 'Release.gpg' pair of files`
`07:15.13`	`mhall`	`EdLin: no that's why i stick with alcohol`
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`07:15.26`	`mhall`	`EdLin: cheaper, easier, less damaging, and less bureaucraticalities`
`07:15.28`	`peterS`	`robbat2: if you want to set up your own archive there are tools that will generate your own Release / Release.gpg files in the right place. I am not particularly conversant with those tools`
`07:15.41`	`nixUX`	`did someone say crack?`
`07:15.47`	`robbat2`	`peterS: nope, actually I'm a gentoo dev, looking at how to go about designing package signing ;-)`
`07:16.01`	`teknomage`	`naa, i'm just a distro junkie`
`07:16.04`	`mhall`	`EdLin: but say what you like about my communication style, the end results are that i help people and make them laugh (whether it be with me or at me is not precisely clear)`
`07:16.12`	`SlayerXP`	`i hope Mister Postman brings me something nice this morning`
`07:16.21`	`SlayerXP`	`otherwise i may attack my computer with an axe`
`07:16.24`	`peterS`	`robbat2: oh. well, a .deb file is just an 'ar' archive with control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz components. it wouldn't be hard to add a signature file into the archive which signs the other two files`
`07:16.35`	`peterS`	`robbat2: it's just a matter of writing the tools to do the signing and to verify it`
`07:16.44`	`robbat2`	`peterS: yes, hence my comment about signing the control file inside the control.tar.gz`
`07:16.47`	`mhall`	`EdLin: sooner or later all the n00bs' base will belong to me since many of the gurus don't like to fucking help them`
`07:16.48`	`SlayerXP`	`petemc: like gnupg, for example?`
`07:17.07`	`nixUX`	`stop teasing me`
`07:17.10`	`EdLin`	`mhall: that's not quite fair, I've helped newbies plenty.`
`07:17.10`	`SlayerXP`	`petes: like gnupg, for example?`
`07:17.10`	`peterS`	`SlayerXP: you need wrappers to dig inside a deb package file and sign the stuff inside it. gpg by itself wouldn't do that`
`07:17.11`	`zxsykco`	`I have around thirty distros sittin' in me cd book here right next to me....`
`07:17.14`	`mhall`	`EdLin: and i seem to have a frightfully deep mental repository of hacks (both elegant and inelegant) to get the uglier features in debian working`
`07:17.16`	`peterS`	`robbat2: actually the other thing we've got is .dsc and .changes files, both of which can be gpg-signed`
`07:17.22`	`SlayerXP`	`peterS: sure.`
`07:17.35`	`mhall`	`EdLin: not saying you haven't; don't take me too literally here, i'm just being goofy and giving you a hard time`
`07:17.50`	`mhall`	`EdLin: but my verbal playfulness does not come across well on irc; sorry about it`
`07:17.52`	`robbat2`	`peterS: yes, but those are only good to verify the package if you don't mind rebuilding from source every time`
`07:17.58`	`peterS`	`robbat2: when you upload a package to the archive you sign the .changes file, which was built as part of the package build process and includes a changelog extract and stuff like that, along with md5sums of your binary .deb packages. similar story with the .dsc file corresponding to a source package - those are signed too`
`07:18.24`	`zxsykco`	`linuxiso.org has a nice list.`
`07:18.24`	`mhall`	`EdLin: it's just, when i get into the position of heckling people i tend to be pretty philosophical and long winded`
`07:18.30`	`EdLin`	`mhall: in RL I usually use puns for humor, but that wouldn't probably work well in #debian`
`07:18.34`	`peterS`	`robbat2: the fact that .changes and .dsc files are signed means that it's actually safe, and recommended, to upload packages for the main ftp archive using anonymous ftp. such packages are rejected if not signed by someone in the developer keyring.`
`07:18.50`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: it usually doesn't work well in real life either :>`
`07:18.51`	`mhall`	`EdLin: except in the case of kingsley_; i really should wax more poetically about him`
`07:19.10`	`peterS`	`robbat2: so you could verify .deb files by finding the corresponding .changes file that was uploaded with it. unfortunately ftp.debian.org doesn't make .changes files directly available.`
`07:19.28`	`mhall`	`EdLin: but at the same time i am unsure of whether he deserves the mental expenditure required for me to compose a rant of quality sufficient to justify its use thereupon`
`07:19.33`	`EdLin`	`SerajewelKS: why do they call Tuesday Tuesday? It's the third day of the week, it should be called Threesday!`
`07:19.51`	`peterS`	`robbat2: that would contain the signature of an individual developer, though, whereas Release.gpg contains a signature made by ftp.debian.org itself`
`07:19.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: yeah if you told me that IRL i'd groan and walk away =)`
`07:19.59`	`mhall`	`EdLin: i wish i could be arsed to put this similar quantity of effort into school projects that i do in being fucked up to kingsley_`
`07:20.33`	`SlayerXP`	`mhall: I good IRC bully is a rare and special thing, you should be proud of yourself :)`
`07:20.36`	`mhall`	`EdLin: So there were two bears in a bathtub. The first bear said, "Could you please pass the soap?" So then the second bear said, "No soap! Radio?"`
`07:20.41`	`peterS`	`robbat2: for a sample .changes file, see for example: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gpm/news/2.html`
`07:20.42`	`robbat2`	`peterS: so the debian design doesn't block or actively discourage malicous developers?`
`07:20.47`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: proud of myself for which precisely`
`07:20.57`	`SlayerXP`	`A good`
`07:21.09`	`robbat2`	`peterS: and the only way of checking for them would be to install each .deb and check that it does what it is supposed to`
`07:21.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: wtf.. is that supposed to be funny? =/`
`07:21.14`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: ah yes i figured that part`
`07:21.16`	`peterS`	`robbat2: the debian design doesn't require multiple people to sign or otherwise check every single package, if that is what you mean. I don't know what else you could do`
`07:21.18`	`EdLin`	`SerajewelKS: do you know why they call "weight" "weight"? It's because you have to wait so long before you can lose any!`
`07:21.28`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: yeah it's one of the funniest jokes i've ever heard`
`07:21.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: don't get it`
`07:21.49`	`SlayerXP`	`can I share something that happened to me yesterday?`
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`07:22.01`	`loxley_`	`haha`
`07:22.10`	`peterS`	`robbat2: in practice, people do review each other's work every now and then, so a malicious developer would be found out sooner or later, and believe me, he'd be expelled posthaste`
`07:22.18`	`robbat2`	`peterS: the .changes file records the md5sum of the .deb, but in no way does it seem to record the content of the .deb`
`07:22.43`	`peterS`	`robbat2: you can't modify a deb and get the same md5sum. not without finding a collision in the md5 algorithm, which of course is not as hard as it once was`
`07:22.49`	`mhall`	`EdLin: alright i have a pun that will own you pwn you and qwn you`
`07:23.03`	`robbat2`	`peterS: i'm talking about a malicious dev generating an evil .deb in the first place`
`07:23.06`	`mhall`	`EdLin: So there was this little village in England near a beautiful forest.`
`07:23.19`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Life was peaceful and the locals were happy to live there.`
`07:23.20`	`robbat2`	`and then uploading a .changes with the md5sum of the evil deb, claiming it's a non-evil .deb`
`07:23.23`	`peterS`	`robbat2: what do you propose to do about that? force every upload to be peer-reviewed by N people?`
`07:23.25`	`SlayerXP`	`when I ordered satellite TV, I told the company that I had a 4 head setup and they needed to provide me with a set top box that could cope with 4 heads. I spent about 2 hours yesterday trying al 16 possible combinations of LNB order with the box they provided me with. turns out the formware it ships with can't handle a 4 head setup. grrr.`
`07:23.49`	`peterS`	`robbat2: "who will guard the guards?" as the Romans used to say. you have to trust someone. the Debian Project trusts Debian developers.`
`07:23.52`	`teknomage`	`could the evil .deb be reinserted in the repository?`
`07:23.54`	`mhall`	`EdLin: One day, all of a sudden, a monastery moved into the forest.`
`07:24.13`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: you have 4 TV-s?`
`07:24.13`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The townspeople were naturally suspicious and went to investigate.`
`07:24.23`	`EdLin`	`mhall: well, at least it wasn't a nunnery, in which case it would be a nunsensical joke`
`07:24.34`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Crap, http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sum.html#4_4_4`
`07:24.37`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: no, I have 4 LNBs on one satellite dish`
`07:24.38`	`mhall`	`EdLin: But the monks promised they were there to plant trees and flowers and be peaceful.`
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`07:24.42`	`arafangion`	`mhall: Looks like the only way to easily fix this is to use aliases`
`07:24.46`	`robbat2`	`peterS: you mean "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" (who watches the watchers) ;-)`
`07:24.47`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: combined with a dreambox, I get about 3000 tv channels :)`
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`07:25.07`	`peterS`	`robbat2: yes, that would be the Latin version. the point is, what do you propose to do differently, such that developers do not have to be trusted?`
`07:25.31`	`mhall`	`arafangion: loading...`
`07:25.35`	`robbat2`	`peterS: I'm not saying you can totally eliminate it, just reduce it by making .debs quicker to check`
`07:25.44`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: ohh, how big is the dish?`
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`07:25.47`	`peterS`	`robbat2: the only thing I can think of is to require more peer review for every package upload. that's a lot of work, no matter how you hash it.`
`07:25.53`	`arafangion`	`mhall: It's a damn huge file.`
`07:25.58`	`robbat2`	`peterS: I don't disagree there`
`07:25.59`	`mhall`	`EdLin: So the townspeople decided not to worry about the monks (btw lol @ your number one nun pun)`
`07:26.00`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: errm 80cm, 88cm, something like that`
`07:26.05`	`peterS`	`robbat2: and what do you mean by "quicker to check"?`
`07:26.22`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Now, all of the sudden, their children and animals started to disappear.`
`07:26.28`	`teknomage`	`isnt there a control file?`
`07:26.32`	`robbat2`	`i see no direct online tools to review the contents of a .deb before I download it`
`07:26.34`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.asp?sku=303681&cks=PRL`
`07:26.35`	`peterS`	`robbat2: we already have tools that take two packages and show a 'diff -u' format diff between them (for source packages) or a filename listing difference (for binary packages)`
`07:26.40`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The townspeople took offense at this and decided that the monks must somehow be responsible.`
`07:26.47`	`robbat2`	`eg looking at the preinst file`
`07:26.49`	`arafangion`	`mhall: This is the easiest fix: fipex:/etc# alias lpr=`
`07:26.52`	`mhall`	`EdLin: So they sent a crew of men to the monastery to investigate.`
`07:26.58`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: and directbox is this www.dream-multimedia-tv.de ?`
`07:27.01`	`peterS`	`robbat2: why would you want to review the contents of a deb before downloading it? there's no way someone could tell you that the new /bin/ls does not have a trojan in the binary code anywhere`
`07:27.11`	`arafangion`	`mhall: (Interesting, irssi or something swallowd up that ...)`
`07:27.23`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: dreambox, yes, I have a dm500s`
`07:27.38`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The men went on a tour of the facilities to investigate and found a gigantic venus flytrap in the monastery courtyard.`
`07:27.47`	`arafangion`	`mhall: # alias lpr='lp -o pretty-print -o page-bottom=12 -o page-top=12 -o page-left=12 -o page-right=12'`
`07:27.47`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: it's about the size of a hardback book, and runs linux`
`07:27.49`	`robbat2`	`peterS: i'm just playing devils advocate and exploring possible attack routes ;-). Thanks for now.`
`07:27.58`	`Arsion`	`ok, there is something really wrong here. It seems, everytime I try to 'make' anything, I get these type of errors " warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'StripColors' differ in signedness". Does anyone know what's causing this?`
`07:28.04`	`mhall`	`EdLin: It seems pretty obvious this must be the cause so the townspeople retreated to town to have a discussion.`
`07:28.21`	`SimonRaven`	`Arsion: gcc 4 and bad code`
`07:28.27`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Thinking this was a waste of time and putting people more at risk, Hugh the Blacksmith decided to resolve the problem himself`
`07:28.27`	`robbat2`	`peterS: another related Q however, since you mentioned the developer keyring - are there any policy documents about how it's handled?`
`07:28.32`	`peterS`	`robbat2: one way to close the attack vector somewhat would be to change our procedure so that all packages are rebuilt from the submitted source code, on build daemons, so the developers' binaries don't need to be trusted to be the same as the source code submitted`
`07:28.35`	`Arsion`	`SimonRaven: bad code?`
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`07:28.46`	`mhall`	`EdLin: So Hugh went early the next day to the monastery, deadset on scaring the monks away for good.`
`07:28.58`	`SimonRaven`	`not indicating signedness for functions and function bits`
`07:29.00`	`mhall`	`EdLin: He proceeded to bang on the door with his hammer until the monks came out.`
`07:29.03`	`SimonRaven`	`(if needed)`
`07:29.04`	`peterS`	`robbat2: the developer keyring is handled by one James Troup, who adds, removes and updates entries after doing manual checking that the requested change is duly authorized`
`07:29.04`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: I wonder if that would work with TV over DSL (VLC does for example) - how much is it?`
`07:29.11`	`teknomage`	`Arsion, yeah gcc compiler is corrupted or wrong version maybe`
`07:29.16`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Then he set his anvil down on the ground and smashed it to pieces in front of them with his hammer.`
`07:29.17`	`peterS`	`robbat2: nothing's automated about it, which does cause grumbling when updates take too long....`
`07:29.24`	`robbat2`	`peterS: build daemons don't resolve developers hosting malicous source code`
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`07:29.36`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The monks took the hint and disappeared the next day not leaving a trace, not even of their monastery.`
`07:29.37`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: i paid nok2100 for the box itself.`
`07:29.37`	`jose_luis`	`hi all`
`07:29.41`	`peterS`	`robbat2: right, but source code is at least possible to review, whereas binaries aren't really`
`07:29.46`	`robbat2`	`peterS: yup`
`07:29.46`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: about GBP200`
`07:29.51`	`SimonRaven`	`Arsion: some arches have e.g. int, as signed, some as unsigned. people assume defaults, and don't differientiate. gcc 4 points this out in the errors`
`07:29.53`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The moral of that story is that only Hugh can prevent forest friars.`
`07:30.06`	`EdLin`	`mhall: groan!`
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`07:30.08`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: Bob knows what that is is whatever currency you use :)`
`07:30.11`	`mhall`	`EdLin: :-D`
`07:30.13`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: omg shoot me now`
`07:30.13`	`peterS`	`robbat2: so that would be one way to improve the process somewhat. a developer couldn't upload a malicious binary which was not, in fact, built from the source he also submits`
`07:30.14`	`robbat2`	`peterS: you say 'duly authorized' where is this documented what qualifies?`
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`07:30.22`	`mhall`	`EdLin: do you feel owned pwned and qwned?`
`07:30.27`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: heh we will switch to Euro next year, but GBP is goo denough for me`
`07:30.34`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: an oldie but a goodie`
`07:30.34`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D`
`07:30.38`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: hahaha`
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`07:30.39`	`Arsion`	`SimonRaven: so can that in itself cause make to fail?`
`07:30.41`	`jose_luis`	`how i can change my wallpaper automatic�?`
`07:30.43`	`peterS`	`robbat2: the New Maintainer process, which is very rigorous and hands applicants through several layers of people, determines who gets to be in the keyring at all`
`07:30.46`	`EdLin`	`mhall: not really.`
`07:30.49`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: you guys just use potatoes right now, no? :)`
`07:30.52`	`mhall`	`EdLin: tittybiscuits`
`07:30.57`	`mhall`	`EdLin: well i tried`
`07:30.57`	`SimonRaven`	`Arsion: those are warnings, not errors`
`07:30.58`	`peterS`	`robbat2: as for updates and deletions, there are procedures for that too, involving digital signatures from other developers`
`07:31.11`	`mhall`	`EdLin: How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?`
`07:31.14`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: http://photos.hinterlands.org/c758240.html`
`07:31.15`	`robbat2`	`are the procedures for updates/deletes documented somewhere?`
`07:31.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: one to hold the giraffe`
`07:31.19`	`SlayerXP`	`mhall: fish?`
`07:31.20`	`peterS`	`robbat2: you can peruse http://nm.debian.org/ to see how rigorous the application process actually is. it's a several-month ordeal`
`07:31.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools`
`07:31.28`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: haha our currency is called tolar, but not that anyone cares`
`07:31.32`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: SerajewelKS: nice work`
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`07:32.00`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: i am not a stranger to fortune -s`
`07:32.01`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I'd heard that one before too, good one though.`
`07:32.11`	`mhall`	`damn`
`07:32.18`	`peterS`	`robbat2: updates involve - well, I'm not sure where it's documented, but basically if you lose your key and need to generate a new one, you have to get at least one or two signatures from other developers (who are in the keyring) onto your new key, and submit it to James Troup for review so he can see that it's in order and your request for the new key to be added is signed by those people too, or some such`
`07:32.19`	`mhall`	`i can't beat this channel`
`07:32.27`	`jm_`	`SlayerXP: very nice`
`07:32.28`	`mhall`	`EHUMORLESS`
`07:32.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: EdLin: what is the science of shopping`
`07:32.39`	`SlayerXP`	`jm_: yeah, it's lovely here.`
`07:32.49`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: Getting your GD to quite doing it is more of an art.`
`07:32.54`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: So that couldn't be it.`
`07:32.56`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: BTW, doesn't mean it isn't a groaner :)`
`07:32.57`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: GF*`
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`07:33.11`	`robbat2`	`peterS: ok thanks :-)`
`07:33.11`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: I know that's the whole point.`
`07:33.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: close, but not.... well no. it's not close at all.`
`07:33.27`	`robbat2`	`peterS: good to see that debian's key-handling process is a large step up on Redhat's`
`07:33.28`	`MontPython`	`this channel is leet`
`07:33.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: take a stab?`
`07:33.30`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: You expect a beautifully crafted long format joke.`
`07:33.30`	`peterS`	`robbat2: deletions are authorized by I forget whom, I think the same person who authorizes new accounts to be created - once again there are digital signatures involved, to make sure the right person is asking for the developer to be expelled`
`07:33.36`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: hehe`
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`07:33.46`	`MontPython`	`this channel is leet`
`07:33.50`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: And it trickles down into a tangential horrifying pun that has little to do with the context of the joke.`
`07:33.56`	`mhall`	`MontPython: Ni!`
`07:33.59`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: nah, i'm a plain kinda guy`
`07:34.02`	`peterS`	`robbat2: well, a developer can resign, in which case his signature on the message saying "remove me please, I'm leaving" is also sufficient authorization to do so`
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`07:34.04`	`EdLin`	`SerajewelKS: sorry, missed the q`
`07:34.06`	`loxley_`	`MontPython: dont state the obvious`
`07:34.07`	`MontPython`	`this channel is leet`
`07:34.10`	`robbat2`	`peterS: yup`
`07:34.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: what is the science of shopping`
`07:34.20`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: I tend to go for more of the brainfuck humor.`
`07:34.22`	`jose_luis`	`how i can change my wallpaper automatic�?`
`07:34.26`	`EdLin`	`SerajewelKS: supermarketing`
`07:34.28`	`robbat2`	`i was considering delations more in the light of revoking a dev's privileges`
`07:34.32`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: I like cognitive dissonance in particular.`
`07:34.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: mhall: buyology`
`07:34.40`	`peterS`	`robbat2: right, I'm not sure who's got the authority to do that.`
`07:35.06`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: yeh, i like a lot of um, formats`
`07:35.18`	`peterS`	`robbat2: anyway, the process involves implicit trust in Mr. Troup to follow the rules. there's a potential weak spot, if you think he can be bribed, e.g.`
`07:35.18`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: haha`
`07:35.26`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: bangs head here`
`07:35.29`	`loxley_`	`SerajewelKS: i thought it was girlfriend lobotomy`
`07:35.36`	`SerajewelKS`	`loxley_: lol`
`07:35.38`	`loxley_`	`;)`
`07:35.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`we're talking puns, remember? =)`
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`07:36.02`	`peterS`	`robbat2: you can't maintain Project infrastructure without having someone trusted to, you know, maintain it. there's always a human element. but AFAIK, nobody has had any reason to doubt Troup's integrity in doing this stuff.`
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`07:36.06`	`robbat2`	`peterS: yup - and the entire process could be stalled by Mr. Troup meeting a bus suddenly`
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`07:36.32`	`robbat2`	`peterS: considering single-point-of-failure in my design too ;-)`
`07:36.54`	`peterS`	`robbat2: that question recently came up with a developer (Chip Salzenberg, better known for Perl stuff) resigned in disgust because his key update request had taken too long (5 weeks). he said if it was that hard to be "readmitted" to the project, effectively, he didn't think he was interested`
`07:37.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`robbat2: even if malicious code is put in debian by some developer, i'd still trust debian over windows any day =)`
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`07:37.26`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: me too`
`07:37.27`	`robbat2`	`SerajewelKS, verifications++`
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`07:37.35`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: i just wish tape drives were cheaper`
`07:37.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`just once i want to peek at XP's sources`
`07:37.40`	`peterS`	`robbat2: this sparked a mini flame war about single points of failure, specifically James Troup. Troup has repeatedly rejected offers of help with his responsibilities and every now and then someone gets to griping about him being overworked and stalling other people from Project work, one way or another`
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`07:37.58`	`EdLin`	`SerajewelKS: well, most people I know who use Windows never install new software because half of it is spyware infected.`
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`07:38.09`	`zxsykco`	`Good stuff! Burn, reboot, and install fun time! Bye all!`
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`07:38.14`	`SimonRaven`	`com'on you fucking bot, trigger debhelper`
`07:38.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: you mean XP isn't spyware itself?`
`07:38.22`	`MontPython`	`is there a war going on ?`
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`07:38.29`	`peterS`	`robbat2: interesting reading: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/11/msg00733.html`
`07:38.34`	`loxley_`	`SerajewelKS: no, you'd see a lot of intended code for blue screens :)`
`07:38.42`	`EdLin`	`SerajewelKS: there's a lot of truth in that statement, wmp phones home for example.`
`07:38.55`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: right, that's the kind of crap i'm talking about`
`07:39.13`	`MontPython`	`xmms phones home`
`07:39.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: i like that debian only "phones home" when i do apt-get update, and i doubt the mirrors are sending my IP, hardware fingerprint, and my favorite brand of soda to some centralized database`
`07:39.25`	`peterS`	`MontPython: there was a rumor that SuSE was building packages of mass production, so Debian invaded them`
`07:39.29`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh right`
`07:39.32`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: you can look at some of the source if you want`
`07:39.43`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: they have a shared source thing you can sign up for`
`07:40.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: i'd sooner be raped by a guy than sign up for shared source bullcrap`
`07:40.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: well.. maybe`
`07:40.14`	`Arsion`	`how would i set up a program to auto-start on boot?`
`07:40.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: either way, both would make me feel gay`
`07:40.28`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Three thirsty strings walked into a bar.`
`07:40.29`	`peterS`	`Arsion: you can add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, is one way`
`07:40.33`	`EdLin`	`mhall: viewing "shared source" is so legally risky to a developer that it's worse than no source at all`
`07:40.37`	`mhall`	`EdLin: A sign outside the bar notified them there was no service for strings,`
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`07:40.44`	`mhall`	`EdLin: but such was their thirst that they decided to get a drink anyway.`
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`07:40.51`	`loxley_`	`Arsion: or man update-rc.d`
`07:40.53`	`mhall`	`EdLin: One string sauntered up to the bartender and said "Bartender, I'm thirsty, get me a drink".`
`07:41.03`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The bartender replied "Sorry, we don't serve strings here."`
`07:41.13`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The string walked back disappointed.`
`07:41.14`	`peterS`	`was one of them a Hollerith string?`
`07:41.15`	`MontPython`	`dont you think we reach the peak of civilization ? and is all the way down from now on`
`07:41.25`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Then the second string decided to attempt to quench its thirst so it approached the bar meekly and said`
`07:41.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: is the Ms-PL license GPL-compatible? (guessing no here)`
`07:41.34`	`mhall`	`EdLin: "I know the sign says that there's no service for strings, but we are all extremely thirsty.`
`07:41.34`	`EdLin`	`MontPython: mhall's jokes are proof of that`
`07:41.38`	`SimonRaven`	`MontPython: no, and yes`
`07:41.43`	`mhall`	`EdLin: Please be understanding. Couldn't we just have one drink each and then leave? We'd be very grateful".`
`07:41.50`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The bartender shook his head. "I'm sorry, but we don't serve strings here".`
`07:41.57`	`SimonRaven`	`MontPython: if you call this civilisation, i think you're sadly mistaken`
`07:41.57`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The third string, having observed the efforts of the previous two strings, immediately went into the toilets.`
`07:42.05`	`mhall`	`EdLin: It looped itself over backwards a few times, messed up its hair, waited for a few minutes, then re-entered the room.`
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`07:42.12`	`mhall`	`EdLin: It approached the bar. "One beer, please" it said.`
`07:42.14`	`gr8ron`	`isn't this irc?`
`07:42.19`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The bartender regarded it suspiciously. "Aren't you a string?"`
`07:42.23`	`MontPython`	`what do you mean this ?`
`07:42.23`	`peterS`	`gr8ron: that's the idea`
`07:42.25`	`mhall`	`EdLin: The string replied "No, I'm a frayed knot".`
`07:42.34`	`mhall`	`EdLin: proof of what?`
`07:42.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`this must be the horrible joke hour...`
`07:42.45`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I've heard that one before`
`07:42.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: i really want to die now`
`07:42.53`	`EdLin`	`mhall: the state of western civ. ;-)`
`07:42.58`	`peterS`	`dondelelcaro: it's kill mhall hour`
`07:43.06`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D`
`07:43.11`	`SimonRaven`	`@kill mhall`
`07:43.19`	`MontPython`	`y2k`
`07:43.33`	`peterS`	`SerajewelKS: phrase it as "Sì, ch'io vorei morire"`
`07:43.35`	`SlayerXP`	`mhall: a man walk in to a bar, orders and pint, and sits down to drink it. after a while he starts hearing voices telling him nice things. "your hair is great!" "I love your tie!" "nice shoes!" and so on. He carries on with his point and hears some toher voices....`
`07:43.35`	`EdLin`	`!shoot mhall`
`07:43.45`	`famc21`	`I have a logical volum and when restart computer I must manually /etc/init.d/lvm start and /etc/init.d/mountall.sh?????`
`07:43.55`	`peterS`	`SerajewelKS: (title of a lively little madrigal from the 1600s or so - "yes, I would like to die")`
`07:43.59`	`famc21`	`thanks`
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`07:44.23`	`SlayerXP`	`mhall: "I'm going to punch you in the face" "did you spill my pint?" He mentioned this to the barman who replies "Oh yes sir, don't worry, the peanuts are complimentary, but the jukebox is out of order."`
`07:44.29`	`SimonRaven`	`famc21: fix your symlinks`
`07:44.31`	`mhall`	`i've never gotten this much reaction out of #debian since the time i got ElectricElf psychotically angry at me a few years ago`
`07:44.49`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: hahaha`
`07:45.23`	`mhall`	`i'm sure glad i came here this evening`
`07:45.32`	`mhall`	`the channel is full of a reall friendly crowd`
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`07:45.45`	`mhall`	`and it gave me a chance to relax from pre-exam stress and post-exam stress`
`07:45.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: what do you call someone who tells annoying puns? mhall.`
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`07:46.21`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: but i did give you one needle in my overweening haystack of pisser second-rate verbiage`
`07:46.40`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: if you get about 6 people together and use that i swear it'll be one of the funniest things you ever, every try`
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`07:46.48`	`mhall`	`s/every/ever/g`
`07:46.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: yeah i just might try that on ricky`
`07:47.08`	`EdLin`	`mhall: most of my puns I made up myself, rather than fortune(6)`
`07:47.08`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: you've _got_ to do it`
`07:47.23`	`mhall`	`EdLin: most of my puns are on the fly`
`07:47.35`	`mhall`	`EdLin: and generally mine are extremely verbally oriented`
`07:47.39`	`peterS`	`so awhile back I had a chance to learn about Latin noun forms, but I declined`
`07:47.46`	`mhall`	`EdLin: they often depend on being pronounced`
`07:47.50`	`mhall`	`peterS: hehe`
`07:47.54`	`EdLin`	`mhall: me too.`
`07:48.04`	`SimonRaven`	`groan`
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`07:48.18`	`mhall`	`EdLin: the other day at my dad's birthday party i made about 10 sophisticated obscure ones in a row`
`07:48.20`	`peterS`	`when I told that one out loud the people I was with didn't react. and one of them was a Latin speaker, even.`
`07:48.21`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: i still want to kill you, though`
`07:48.28`	`EdLin`	`mhall: one time someoneasked me (I live in NYC) "do you know the history of the Empire State Building?"`
`07:48.30`	`mhall`	`EdLin: and several people spilt their wine all over the table cloth`
`07:48.45`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: come over to stockton, ca, us and put me out of my misery by all means`
`07:48.47`	`EdLin`	`mhall: I said "no, but I know the history of the Umpire State Building"`
`07:49.02`	`SerajewelKS`	`EdLin: how is that even funny`
`07:49.11`	`mhall`	`EdLin: oof that's a pretty obscure one`
`07:49.23`	`EdLin`	`mhall: "It was a nice place, but nobody stayed there very long, because the umpire kept saying "you're out!"`
`07:49.23`	`mhall`	`EdLin: did you mean cooperstown?`
`07:49.29`	`mhall`	`EdLin: hahaha`
`07:49.34`	`EdLin`	`mhall: you guys didn't wait for the punchline`
`07:49.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`dammit`
`07:49.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`i'm scarred`
`07:49.45`	`peterS`	`sì, ch'io vorei morire.`
`07:49.46`	`mhall`	`EdLin: kind of connects back to Yogi himself`
`07:49.59`	`mhall`	`EdLin: nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded`
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`07:50.15`	`mhall`	`that's another thing i'm famous for`
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`07:50.23`	`mhall`	`is finding amusing ways to utter vacuous truths`
`07:50.38`	`SimonRaven`	`s/^famous/in/`
`07:50.53`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: :-D`
`07:51.04`	`SimonRaven`	`:D`
`07:51.13`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: again though it only usually works verbally`
`07:51.15`	`peterS`	`my audible humor mainly consists in understatement. this doesn't work nearly as well in print as it does out loud`
`07:51.18`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: luckily for you all`
`07:51.28`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah that's a pain in the ass`
`07:51.29`	`famc21`	`hi SimonRaven, 261lvm and 35mountall, is it right? thank u :)`
`07:51.38`	`mhall`	`peterS: i resort to understatement when i run out of ideas`
`07:52.02`	`mhall`	`peterS: because you can use it to put people off into new funnier tangents`
`07:52.02`	`SimonRaven`	`261?`
`07:52.02`	`EdLin`	`SDNWOTN`
`07:52.02`	`mhall`	`peterS: especially if it's a well worded troll`
`07:52.02`	`famc21`	`en`
`07:52.02`	`peterS`	`understatement humor is so easy. and people always seem to think it's funny. so I haven't had to branch out much`
`07:52.13`	`famc21`	`yes`
`07:52.15`	`SimonRaven`	`famc21: do they actually point at the scripts?`
`07:52.31`	`SimonRaven`	`wth did you do?`
`07:52.31`	`mhall`	`peterS: if you troll them you can get them all psycho and laugh when they don't figure out your subterfuge until it's much too late to save face`
`07:53.12`	`mhall`	`peterS: meanwhile justifying it by saying you prefer not to make statements that are overly grandiose and/or not justified by the facts at hand`
`07:53.13`	`peterS`	`mhall: nah, I mean things like saying you haven't been in jail recently when you actually mean at all, that sort of thing`
`07:53.23`	`peterS`	`you can get away with all sorts of absurd implications that way`
`07:53.25`	`famc21`	`yes, it does`
`07:53.28`	`mhall`	`peterS: ah right-o`
`07:53.58`	`mhall`	`peterS: i usually use it in the sense of remaining calm and not caring when people are trying to get me wired up or outraged`
`07:54.04`	`peterS`	`stating the obvious as though it were interesting or surprising can sometimes work too. that's related`
`07:54.21`	`mhall`	`one of my funniest rants of all time was the time Windows forced all of my drives to PIO mode without warning and wouldn't let them back out`
`07:54.22`	`famc21`	`sorry, 26lvm not 261lvm, sorry :0`
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`07:54.38`	`peterS`	`as in "...so, because believe it or not I'm not actually a 45-year-old cancer patient..."`
`07:54.41`	`mhall`	`i got so psychotically angry that people thought i was literally going to kill from the sheer misery and frustration`
`07:55.07`	`SimonRaven`	`famc21: i assume this is sitting in rcS.d?`
`07:55.07`	`peterS`	`but that too works so much better verbally than in print`
`07:55.12`	`EdLin`	`windows problems are easy to correct, "echo y \| format c:"`
`07:55.14`	`mhall`	`but then i turned it into a psychotically vitriolic rant and brought down the house`
`07:55.28`	`mhall`	`EdLin: yes i did the same but with fdisk and mkfs.xfs`
`07:55.35`	`mhall`	`EdLin: now i don't use it any more`
`07:55.37`	`peterS`	`EdLin: don't you need two 'y' lines there? and I don't know how you do that from command.com`
`07:55.44`	`mhall`	`EdLin: but it's still the source of some good comedy`
`07:55.57`	`mhall`	`peterS: command com has pipe`
`07:56.01`	`peterS`	`EdLin: first it asks if you're sure, then it asks if you're sure because it's a hard disk`
`07:56.09`	`peterS`	`mhall: yeah but how do you pipe two echo statements into one format command?`
`07:56.10`	`famc21`	`SimonRaven: yes it is in rcS.d`
`07:56.21`	`EdLin`	`peterS: it only asks one question in MS-DOS`
`07:56.21`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah that's cant happen you are right`
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`07:56.30`	`mhall`	`peterS: but depends on ver of dos`
`07:56.31`	`Zap-W`	`what happens if i dont add "exit 0" at the end of my bash scripts?`
`07:56.34`	`EdLin`	`peterS: I haven't kept up with the latest MS dain bramage`
`07:56.37`	`mhall`	`peterS: some are more cautious than others`
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`07:56.42`	`famc21`	`but every reboot, I must do it manually`
`07:56.43`	`peterS`	`mhall: probably by use of file redirects, I guess`
`07:56.46`	`SimonRaven`	`famc21: ok, did you edit them? are they set +x ?`
`07:56.46`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: afair it takes on value of last command`
`07:56.57`	`mhall`	`peterS: ugly ugly ugly`
`07:57.03`	`peterS`	`mhall: and indeed in some versions of DOS, a \| actually is implemented using redirects and a temp file. maybe in all versions. it's pretty ugly stuff.`
`07:57.17`	`mhall`	`peterS: rat bastards`
`07:57.21`	`EdLin`	`peterS: all versions`
`07:57.23`	`SimonRaven`	`eew`
`07:57.37`	`peterS`	`mhall: well, you can't run multiple processes at once in an OS that doesn't have a scheduler. so.`
`07:57.46`	`mhall`	`peterS: gah`
`07:57.49`	`Zap-W`	`mhall: why does it matter anyway, to take error values from scripts`
`07:57.58`	`famc21`	`SimonRaven: lvm and mountall.sh in init.d all have 755`
`07:58.13`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: well it _can_ matter and not matter`
`07:58.28`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: if you want to call em from each other then this is how you communicate failure`
`07:58.36`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: and you can have a system of reason codes`
`07:58.42`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: for precisely what went wrong`
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`07:58.49`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: also cron and such want these codes`
`07:58.56`	`SimonRaven`	`famc21: ok, check the insides of the scripts, seem sane (like no 'exit 0' at the top, actually have content that works, etc.)`
`07:59.06`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: because otherwise they can't know if your script encountered fucked up crap or not`
`07:59.25`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: s/the/that the/g ?`
`07:59.37`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh`
`07:59.41`	`Zap-W`	`i think all scripts in /etc/init.d have "exit 0" at the end`
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`08:00.04`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: yeah because the system startup needs to know that $? was success or fail`
`08:00.20`	`mhall`	`Zap-W: or it's can't detect boot failure of demons and make proper log entries`
`08:00.43`	`tonymoyoy`	`debian on a Sparc Netra x1 i need help`
`08:00.52`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: ok name your prob`
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`08:01.12`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: there does exist a #debian-sparc which might be helpful if nobody here can help you. however, mhall is a sparc person and he just spoke up, so maybe you're in luck`
`08:01.13`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: Deb SPARC U10 333 up for >180 days twice in a row`
`08:01.35`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: oh yeah running 2.6.14 PREEMPT`
`08:01.38`	`tonymoyoy`	`i can boot via network`
`08:01.53`	`tonymoyoy`	`but no dhcp`
`08:02.04`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: right dhcp is not supported in many sparc firmwares`
`08:02.13`	`tonymoyoy`	`i understand there is a problen with the network interfaces`
`08:02.14`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: so you use the older but similar protocol bootp`
`08:02.30`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: do you mean you can't boot via dhcp, or dhcp doesn't work after you boot?`
`08:02.31`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: and the rarp protocol`
`08:02.37`	`tonymoyoy`	`i use rarp to give it a ip adress`
`08:02.40`	`famc21`	`SimonRaven: mountall.sh have "exit 0" at bottom and lvm script have "test '/sbin/lvmiopversion' != "0" \|\| exit 0"`
`08:02.45`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: if the latter, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339711`
`08:03.35`	`tonymoyoy`	`on the instalation it tries to configure the dhcp`
`08:03.40`	`tonymoyoy`	`but it fails`
`08:03.48`	`peterS`	famc21: you don't mean '/sbin/lvmiopversion' surely, you must mean `/sbin/lvmiopversion`
`08:03.54`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: yeah could be that dhcp is broken right now`
`08:04.03`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: can you use static until you get install done`
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`08:04.12`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: you can trivially edit the conf file later on`
`08:04.35`	`tonymoyoy`	`the problem is that in net to get everything from the net`
`08:04.43`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: additionally you need to learn to live and breathe http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/`
`08:04.46`	`tonymoyoy`	`the boot image es just 5mb`
`08:04.55`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: right but MUST you use DHCP`
`08:04.57`	`famc21`	`peterS: same?`
`08:05.04`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: or can you get it working statically at first`
`08:05.13`	`peterS`	`famc21: I didn't type the same thing you typed. attention to detail, my man, attention to detail.`
`08:05.24`	`famc21`	peterS: yes it is " ` " :D\
`08:05.39`	`tonymoyoy`	`i tried but the next thing is finding a mirror`
`08:06.03`	`tonymoyoy`	`so it need the internet`
`08:06.31`	`mhall`	`alright this guy is a spanish speaker`
`08:06.32`	`mhall`	`damn`
`08:06.37`	`mhall`	`i don't know that language`
`08:06.49`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: mhall means that debian-installer, when failing to get dhcp up, should go back and prompt you for a static IP address etc.`
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`08:07.21`	`tonymoyoy`	`:)`
`08:07.41`	`mhall`	`also there is the issue of whether the DHCP works right for other boxes`
`08:07.56`	`mhall`	`or is broken just on the SPARC perhaps due to the broken dhcp-client package as peterS pointed out`
`08:08.21`	`peterS`	`I don't know if that bug affects debian-installer or what. I just saw a mention of this bug recently so I thought I'd paste it here`
`08:08.23`	`tonymoyoy`	`i read that i need to put the tulip module`
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`08:08.53`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: the network module is most likely getting loaded correctly already. that code is perhaps not foolproof, but close to it`
`08:09.40`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: what version of the installer is this, anyway? where'd you download it from?`
`08:11.16`	`tonymoyoy`	`from the debian site`
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`08:12.14`	`peterS`	`tonymoyoy: I ask because the broken version of dhcp-client is only a couple days old, so unless you downloaded some daily build of the installer image, your problem must be something else`
`08:15.55`	`tonymoyoy`	`where is the good image :)`
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`08:16.05`	`Shack`	`hello`
`08:16.07`	`Shack`	`need help on debian`
`08:16.16`	`shark_`	`go ahead`
`08:16.20`	`Shack`	`i've dne apt-=get install kernel-source-2.6.8`
`08:16.24`	`Shack`	`apt-get*`
`08:16.26`	`Shack`	`and rebooted`
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`08:16.32`	`Shack`	`but the kernel stills the 2.4`
`08:16.36`	`putridx_`	`anybody here use a linux pda?`
`08:16.40`	`shark_`	`Shack, kernel source is not binary`
`08:16.50`	`Shack`	`and?`
`08:16.50`	`famc21`	`SimonRaven: thanks, but when i add "exit 0 " at the bottom of /etc/init.d/lvm, no help :(`
`08:16.55`	`shark_`	`Shack, install kernel-image-2.6.8`
`08:16.59`	`Shack`	`ok`
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`08:17.35`	`SimonRaven`	`famc21: i didn't say to do that`
`08:17.44`	`Shack`	`k thx`
`08:17.49`	`putridx_`	`... :(`
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`08:18.29`	`famc21`	`SimonRaven: o , did you mean at it to the top of lvm script?`
`08:18.32`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/sparc/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-sparc-netinst.iso`
`08:18.36`	`famc21`	`SimonRaven: o , did you mean add it to the top of lvm script?`
`08:18.39`	`jonx`	`for some reason apt says: "E: Type 'deb' is not known in on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list`
`08:18.39`	`jonx`	`E: The list of sources could not be read.`
`08:18.39`	`jonx`	`"`
`08:18.42`	`jonx`	`oops`
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`08:18.48`	`jonx`	`sorry guys... anyone know why it says that?`
`08:19.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`jonx: use the paster bot to paste your sources.list`
`08:19.17`	`mhall`	`jonx: yeah your sources list is broken`
`08:19.31`	`jonx`	`I am using redhat, but I downloaded apt`
`08:19.37`	`jonx`	`i hope that doesn't change anything`
`08:19.49`	`mhall`	`jonx: YOU BASTARD`
`08:19.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`yes, it does.`
`08:19.56`	`putridx_`	`lol`
`08:19.59`	`jonx`	`sorry.. its not my fault.. I am a devoted Debian user`
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`08:20.03`	`jonx`	`but my server is redhat`
`08:20.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`jonx: redhat's apt has nothing to do with us.`
`08:20.06`	`jonx`	`and i can't change it`
`08:20.09`	`mhall`	`jonx: then you should know better`
`08:20.19`	`jonx`	`no!!! I AM SORRY!! I want forgiveness`
`08:20.20`	`tonymoyoy`	`ok thnks i will face the sparc again tomorrow`
`08:20.22`	`mhall`	`jonx: than to come in here like thousands of n00bs the world over`
`08:20.24`	`plbgnr`	`hello, I want to install openoffice2.0 ...I use www.apt-get.org to get sources for /etc/apt/sources.list, but when I tried install openoffice.org-core I got some 'unmet dependencies' messages and packages which are there aren't in apt-get.org search :( . How do you install oo2?`
`08:20.29`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: alright good luck`
`08:20.33`	`mhall`	`tonymoyoy: and email mailing list please`
`08:20.41`	`tonymoyoy`	`ok`
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`08:20.46`	`jonx`	`plbgnr, there is an apt-get.com`
`08:20.49`	`jonx`	`sweet assss!`
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`08:20.55`	`mhall`	`jonx: and ask for REDHAT HELP in POUND MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN`
`08:21.08`	`mhall`	`!zoosmite jonx`
`08:21.14`	`jonx`	`haha`
`08:21.16`	`jonx`	`sorry guys`
`08:21.18`	`jonx`	`c'mon`
`08:21.20`	`jonx`	`i love you`
`08:21.30`	`Shack`	`hey`
`08:21.33`	`mhall`	`jonx: quite with the i love you stuff`
`08:21.34`	`Shack`	`use a correct language`
`08:21.41`	`mhall`	`jonx: i'll start cracking mom jokes`
`08:21.42`	`Shack`	`<jonx> i'll give you my redhat sources`
`08:21.42`	`Shack`	`wait`
`08:21.51`	`jonx`	`thanks`
`08:21.58`	`jonx`	`see.. look at that sexy devil right there`
`08:21.59`	`Shack`	`i have DEBIAN and REDHAT`
`08:22.01`	`mhall`	`Shack: 'a correct language' is not correct language`
`08:22.05`	`SlayerXP`	`I'm trying to install some debian packages. I'm used alien to convert them to RPM, but my mandrake server complains about some dependencies. HELP!`
`08:22.12`	`jonx`	`Shack, is a true semaritan`
`08:22.12`	`Shack`	`particly, i have a server on each distro!`
`08:22.17`	`Arsion`	`anyone have any suggestions on the best ircd services thats best for debian?`
`08:22.27`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: hmm #debian is definitely the place to ask about that`
`08:22.53`	`Shack`	`<Jon> rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386 os updates freshrpms`
`08:22.55`	`Shack`	`only this one`
`08:22.57`	`Shack`	`<jonx> rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386 os updates freshrpms`
`08:22.58`	`Shack`	`:)`
`08:23.17`	`mhall`	`Arsion: let's see`
`08:23.26`	`SlayerXP`	`who has bot progrramming skills here? I have something to add to the bot?`
`08:23.30`	`mhall`	`Arsion: http://www.freshports.org/irc/dancer-ircd`
`08:23.35`	`SlayerXP`	`less the question mark`
`08:23.37`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: /m me`
`08:23.39`	`jonx`	`Shack, thanks`
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`08:24.07`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: i've been writing smites and such`
`08:24.18`	`Shack`	`<jonx> it's working?`
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`08:25.03`	`SlayerXP`	`mhall: I only just resisted posting that to my LUG mailing list in reply to some utter forkwit :)`
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`08:25.12`	`SlayerXP`	`seems a pity to waste`
`08:25.13`	`Arsion`	`mhall: thats an ircd...i'm already using unrealircd...looking for the best services package to use on ircd with debian (i.e. nickserv, chanserv, etc etc)`
`08:25.23`	`mhall`	`SlayerXP: ah sweet`
`08:25.32`	`mhall`	`Arsion: yeah dancer has a services pack`
`08:25.40`	`jonx`	`Shack, i don't know :) So I go to that one link and then download a new apt? I think i have apt already`
`08:25.41`	`SlayerXP`	`mhall: "Roses"`
`08:25.45`	`Shack`	`;p`
`08:25.46`	`mhall`	`Arsion: i apologize it wasn't clear from your question which of those you wanted`
`08:25.56`	`Shack`	`dancer is nice`
`08:25.57`	`mhall`	`Arsion: dancer and its services are used to run freenode`
`08:26.09`	`Arsion`	`mhall: eeeeew`
`08:26.18`	`mhall`	`Arsion: ok don't then`
`08:26.23`	`mhall`	`forget i said it`
`08:26.24`	`mhall`	`fuck`
`08:26.34`	`mhall`	`seems that dpkg is dead`
`08:26.38`	`mhall`	`!hello`
`08:26.40`	`Phated`	`been dead for a bit, I think.`
`08:26.45`	`mhall`	`shitstick`
`08:26.51`	`mhall`	`Phated: but now you're alive :-D`
`08:26.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`!test`
`08:26.55`	`dpkg`	`Sorry, dondelelcaro, I didn't get your test.`
`08:26.58`	`SlayerXP`	`Phated: morning, you young whippersnapper you.`
`08:26.59`	`mhall`	`Phated: did you steal dpkg's mojo?`
`08:27.09`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: it must be ignoring me`
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`08:27.24`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: it was getting pissed when i was using forget and such to update some broken factoids`
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`08:27.25`	`jonx`	`ubuntu`
`08:27.28`	`jonx`	`!`
`08:27.29`	`plbgnr`	`jonx, there isn't an apt-get.com`
`08:27.34`	`bucky`	`!test`
`08:27.34`	`dpkg`	`Yes, bucky, you're still online.`
`08:27.37`	`Arsion`	`mhall: it doesnt like ya anymore.. used it to beat on people too much`
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`08:27.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: yes, because you were using forget instead of no.`
`08:27.43`	`jonx`	`plbgnr, is that just for debian repositories?`
`08:27.47`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: somebody destroyed the extremely useful source factoid and such`
`08:27.58`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: i didn't realize the difference`
`08:28.12`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: how long do i want for it to recycle?`
`08:28.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: I unignored you.`
`08:28.56`	`plbgnr`	`jonx, I didn't understand your q...`
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`08:29.02`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: ah ok`
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`08:29.14`	`jonx`	`plbgnr, does the apt repositories depend on which ditribution of linux I have?`
`08:29.15`	`jonx`	`I am using red hat`
`08:29.28`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: do you have someplace a list of bot policies so i can avoid more trouble`
`08:29.46`	`plbgnr`	`jonx, I think that yes`
`08:29.47`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: also what must i do in order to get listkeys and/or listvals to return all results in a query`
`08:29.51`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: no, most of them are common sense. When you transgress, the automatic ones will catch you.`
`08:29.52`	`SlayerXP`	`jonx: that rates as the stupidest question asked here so far today`
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`08:30.00`	`jonx`	`SlayerXP, good.. I need an answer`
`08:30.05`	`jonx`	`:)`
`08:30.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: you can't, basically... use grep or /msg dpkg my factoids;`
`08:30.14`	`jonx`	`SlayerXP, so is it a yes? or no?`
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`08:30.21`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: i was trying to get a catalog of smites so i could make a metasmite`
`08:30.28`	`SlayerXP`	`jonx: yes, it's a yes or a no.`
`08:30.33`	`jonx`	`haha`
`08:30.33`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: ah so i can get a raw factoid file`
`08:30.35`	`jonx`	`;)`
`08:30.39`	`jonx`	`you get 3 winks`
`08:30.42`	`jonx`	`;) ;) ;)`
`08:30.57`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: which of those sites is better`
`08:31.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: they're different.`
`08:31.19`	`mhall`	`jonx: DUDE! Please quit doing this in POUND FUCKING DEBIAN!`
`08:31.29`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: is yours fresher than stew's`
`08:32.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: my box runs dpkg; that's where stew gets the dump from.`
`08:32.15`	`jonx`	`sorry`
`08:32.16`	`jonx`	`i love you`
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`08:32.41`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`why k3b not in testing and it's on stable and unstable ?`
`08:32.47`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: is he - a day or two or way off`
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`08:33.02`	`jm_`	`DarKnesS_WolF: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing`
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`08:33.37`	`BlueWings`	`could someone tell me what the package for kdevelop is..., or atleast tell me how to ask dpkg or debhelper...`
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`08:33.57`	`EdLin`	`!find kdevelop`
`08:34.04`	`Phated`	`SlayerXP: Aye. :)`
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`08:34.10`	`EdLin`	`hmmm`
`08:34.16`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'kdevelop' (3 of 14): (/usr/share/icewm/themes/SilverXP/icons/kdevelop.xpm) in x11/icewm-themes ;; (/usr/share/icons/Crystal/48x48/apps/kdevelop1.png) in kde/kde-icons-crystal ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/actions/{kdevelop_down.svgz\|make_kdevelop.svgz}) in kde/kde-icons-mono.`
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`08:35.25`	`peterS`	`mhall: the whole concept of a bot smiting a person is so 2002. I wonder why we aren't all over that yet`
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`08:35.45`	`peaceyall`	`hi`
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`08:36.14`	`mhall`	`peterS: hehe`
`08:36.31`	`mhall`	`peterS: i'm going to chew on dondelelcaro's mysql table and make a best of`
`08:36.39`	`SlayerXP`	`eeww mysql`
`08:36.43`	`mhall`	`peterS: some fat horrible regex to end all regexen`
`08:36.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`mhall: no clue.`
`08:36.54`	`SlayerXP`	`don't use the "m" word here, there's no call for that kind of language, you stoat fucker.`
`08:37.10`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: ah ok`
`08:37.36`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: is there a way to delete a factoid you have made by mistake without b0rk1ng your forget count`
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`08:37.52`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: cause i just got into trouble for deleting one i made via typo`
`08:38.01`	`peaceyall`	`i installed udev by apt and now if i try to login on a normal user i get "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" , but if i login as root it logs in normally. What is wrong?`
`08:38.02`	`mhall`	`dondelelcaro: and it wasn't the sort i could fix with no`
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`08:38.16`	`tijn`	`hey all`
`08:38.40`	`tijn`	`anyone knows a chan where i could get some help on network packets?`
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`08:40.15`	`peaceyall`	`can anyone help me?`
`08:40.53`	`SlayerXP`	`peaceyall: no, sorry.`
`08:41.01`	`peaceyall`	`beh`
`08:41.04`	`SlayerXP`	`:)`
`08:41.10`	`peaceyall`	`-_-`
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`08:41.29`	`SlayerXP`	`peaceyall: check the permissions on /tmp`
`08:41.39`	`peaceyall`	`ok`
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`08:42.24`	`peaceyall`	`SlayerXP: its 777`
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`08:42.47`	`mhall`	`well time for bed`
`08:42.52`	`tijn`	`night`
`08:42.53`	`mhall`	`prog lang exam in morning`
`08:42.56`	`mhall`	`tired`
`08:42.59`	`tijn`	`damn iam just up :)`
`08:43.03`	`mhall`	`and preparing for lubless sodomy`
`08:43.08`	`mhall`	`lubeless`
`08:43.17`	`mhall`	`cya later all`
`08:43.20`	`tarzeau`	`apt popcon`
`08:43.22`	`apt`	`rumour has it, popcon is rumour has it, popularity contest is http://popcon.debian.org/, or install popularity-contest to take part`
`08:43.25`	`mhall`	`hope you enjoyed my psychotic winging`
`08:43.31`	`peaceyall`	`SlayerXP , what should i change it to?`
`08:43.41`	`SlayerXP`	`peaceyall: no, that's fine.`
`08:43.50`	`SlayerXP`	`peaceyall: undo whatever you did that made it stop working :)`
`08:43.51`	`peaceyall`	`oh`
`08:44.00`	`peaceyall`	`i can install hotplug`
`08:44.06`	`peaceyall`	`and evertyhing will be fine`
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`08:44.36`	`peaceyall`	`SlayerXP, but then i cant use auto mounting with gnome-volume-manager`
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`08:45.24`	`Error_X`	`How can I set linuxlogo to display on all consoles when startup and after logout?`
`08:45.38`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: it does so by default?`
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`08:45.42`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: try telinit q`
`08:45.47`	`jm_`	`error403: apt-cache show linuxlogo`
`08:45.51`	`jm_`	`Error_X ^^^^^`
`08:46.00`	`tarzeau`	`linuxlogo is ugly btw,`
`08:46.05`	`peaceyall`	`SlayerXP, is there something like gnome-volume-manager that uses hotplug instead of ude ?`
`08:46.06`	`Error_X`	`its only shows on tty1..`
`08:46.06`	`peaceyall`	`udev*`
`08:46.09`	`jm_`	`or welcome2l`
`08:46.10`	`Error_X`	`on startup`
`08:46.12`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: try http://gnu.ethz.ch/issue`
`08:46.21`	`Error_X`	`and it doesn't draw up again after logout`
`08:46.27`	`Error_X`	`thanks`
`08:46.28`	`jm_`	`peaceyall: latest version of udev replaces hotplug`
`08:46.30`	`zxsykco`	`Well, this is a first.`
`08:46.54`	`zxsykco`	`My DHCP server doesn't want to give the debian netinst an IP.`
`08:47.11`	`zxsykco`	`Says that there doesn't appear to be a dhcp server running.`
`08:47.26`	`peaceyall`	`jm_ , i know but udev is giving me problems. When i installed udev and restarted now i cant login as normal user because i get the error "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" , but if i login as root it logs in normally.`
`08:47.29`	`zxsykco`	`i checked with phlak and ubuntu as well as winders.`
`08:47.31`	`peaceyall`	`jm_ do you know the problem?`
`08:47.40`	`zxsykco`	`It's there and running fine.`
`08:47.40`	`jm_`	`peaceyall: not really, but BTS is your friend`
`08:47.43`	`Error_X`	`tarzeau: Do you know links to other issue files with graphics?`
`08:47.53`	`zxsykco`	`Any ideas?`
`08:48.03`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: well you can make your own using tetradraw and caca-utils`
`08:48.09`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: i've got some more at www.linuks.mine.nu/ansi/`
`08:48.14`	`arafangion`	`cyrus-imapd is NOT intuative!`
`08:48.17`	`Error_X`	`ah. thanks alot`
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`08:48.33`	`tengulre`	`hi,all`
`08:48.36`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: try ansi art, there's plenty from acid, wait i've got some funky ansi mags`
`08:48.37`	`tijn`	`well, no response, so i will ask it here :+), when scanning my network, i noticed a terrible lot of broadcasted packets like: FRAGMENTED IP PROTOCOL (proto=udp 0x11, off=1480), are these packets broken?`
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`08:49.03`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: www.linuks.mine.nu/superflu/`
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`08:49.34`	`peterS`	`Error_X: anyway. edit /etc/inittab to change the getty lines in some way - I forget the exact edit required`
`08:49.44`	`peaceyall`	`oh ya, jm_ , i have permission errors on /dev/null , like PostgreSQL wont start because of that error`
`08:49.54`	`peterS`	`Error_X: then of course kill -1 1 to make init reload inittab`
`08:50.00`	`tarzeau`	`Error_X: tetradraw is fantastic you can draw ansi with two people over the network: www.linuks.mine.nu/tetradraw/`
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`08:50.08`	`zxsykco`	`So the debian sarge netinst will not pull an IP from my DHCP server, any ideas why this is occuring?`
`08:50.11`	`tarzeau`	`peterS: why not telinit q?`
`08:50.19`	`peterS`	`tarzeau: yeah, or telinit q`
`08:50.22`	`tarzeau`	`zxsykco: got a dhcpd?`
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`08:50.30`	`zxsykco`	`Yes.`
`08:50.36`	`peterS`	`tarzeau: he said "from my dhcp server", what do you think that means?`
`08:50.38`	`tengulre`	`how to print all files to TIF format file?`
`08:51.05`	`tarzeau`	`peterS: it's not running`
`08:51.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`tengulre: use imagemagick`
`08:51.07`	`zxsykco`	`On a slackware box I use as my glorified NATrouter iptables dnsmasq, snort DHCP server, etc.`
`08:51.10`	`tarzeau`	`peterS: PEBKAC`
`08:51.14`	`tarzeau`	`peterS: it works here`
`08:51.20`	`Error_X`	`tarzeau: Hehe, nice.. I'm testing it out now`
`08:51.32`	`jm_`	`peaceyall: sounds great, what permissions do you see on that file?`
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`08:51.40`	`peaceyall`	`jm_ , ill check`
`08:51.51`	`tijn`	`darn, no network guru's ? :(`
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`08:52.17`	`zxsykco`	`Oh, I am close enough to a net guru, I suppose.`
`08:52.22`	`zxsykco`	`This is puzzling.`
`08:52.36`	`arafangion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:52.36`	`arafangion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:52.39`	`zxsykco`	`I succesfully pulled an IP with ubuntu phlak and winders.`
`08:52.40`	`shark_`	`tijn, fragmented means a big packet has been cuted into smaller`
`08:52.41`	`arafangion`	`What the heck does that mean?`
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`08:53.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`that users with the user name anonymous can log in with any password they want.`
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`08:53.25`	`alienbrain`	`is it possible for X and a window manager to run on different machines ?`
`08:53.32`	`arafangion`	`dondelelcaro: So, what does "no" mean to you?`
`08:53.39`	`peaceyall`	`jm_ here: crw-rw---- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-11-18 08:25 null`
`08:53.39`	`tijn`	`shark_ ok, thought so but it are a f*cking lot of them over and over again.`
`08:53.53`	`peaceyall`	`jm_ is that ok or should i change it to something else`
`08:53.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`alienbrain: afaik yes`
`08:53.55`	`jm_`	`peaceyall: that's wrong`
`08:54.01`	`imex`	`hiya all, i got 2 questions need help, 1 is do i need anti-virus on Linux? 2 is I got tv tuner card that was recognized, what program to watch/record tv?`
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`08:54.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: why is /dev/null not world readable/writable?`
`08:54.18`	`peaceyall`	`oh`
`08:54.26`	`peaceyall`	`i dont know`
`08:54.29`	`alienbrain`	`SerajewelKS, awesome, thanks.`
`08:54.32`	`peaceyall`	`i jsut installed udev`
`08:54.37`	`peaceyall`	`it screwed up everythign`
`08:54.40`	`tijn`	`could it be the packets dont come over right, since its udp?`
`08:54.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: yeah, udev isn't stable yet`
`08:54.49`	`peaceyall`	`oh`
`08:54.49`	`zxsykco`	`Not really, imex, but clamav is nice. As for the second I don't know of one off of the top of my head, sorry.`
`08:54.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`arafangion: that you aren't allowing anonymous logins.`
`08:55.07`	`peaceyall`	`SerajewelKS, what should i change the permissions to ?`
`08:55.12`	`tijn`	`imex, zapping is a nice app`
`08:55.18`	`imex`	`zxsykco: thanks for the first one`
`08:55.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`tijn: some router might have a smaller maximum packet size and truncates the packet...`
`08:55.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: rw-rw-rw`
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`08:55.27`	`zxsykco`	`np, imex.`
`08:55.27`	`alienbrain`	`SerajewelKS, I was originally trying to figure out why xserver is not a dependency of a window manager in debian, I guessed some reasons of my own understanding of debian which made some sense, but now it makes perfect sense :-).`
`08:55.27`	`peaceyall`	`ok`
`08:55.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: 666`
`08:55.30`	`arafangion`	`dondelelcaro: So, why does the documentation state that it _will_ allow anonymous logins using any passwords?`
`08:55.32`	`peaceyall`	`k`
`08:55.36`	`imex`	`tijn: thanks i will look into that now`
`08:55.39`	`peaceyall`	`ok done`
`08:55.39`	`tijn`	`np`
`08:55.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`alienbrain: it's not debian-specific`
`08:55.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`arafangion: because that's what the configuration option does.`
`08:55.48`	`peaceyall`	`SerajewelKS, anythign els ei should check the permissions of?`
`08:55.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: well, /dev/zero probably is 660 too...`
`08:56.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: make sure that's 666 as well`
`08:56.09`	`arafangion`	`dondelelcaro: Right, ok, I was assuming it was explaining what setting it to 'no' would do.`
`08:56.12`	`alienbrain`	`SerajewelKS, I know, I was talking about debian packaging`
`08:56.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: other than that, lots of things are probably wrong =)`
`08:56.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`alienbrain: ah`
`08:56.24`	`peaceyall`	`-_-`
`08:56.27`	`peterS`	`imex: as for antivirus, for the most part we don't bother. some people install an antivirus filter on incoming email, just to cut down on stupid virus mail you have to filter out of your clogged inboxes`
`08:56.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`arafangion: well, that's an incorrect assumption... normally the name of the variable would clue you into that (as it does here)... '`
`08:56.44`	`alienbrain`	`SerajewelKS, some other distros make X a dependency of window managers, which now is clear for me, a wrong thing.`
`08:56.59`	`peaceyall`	`SerajewelKS, i would go back to hotplug but i want gnome-volume-manager to work , is there soemthign that is liek gnome-volume-manager but for hotplug ?`
`08:57.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`alienbrain: right. i have yet to see an instance where that is useful though... VNC is a better solution IMO`
`08:57.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`peaceyall: shrug i don't use gnome or gnome-volume-manager`
`08:57.28`	`tijn`	`SerajewelKS, (assuming i have this right) udp doesnt check if the packet came at his destination correctly, could it be causing too much load with broadcasting because its gragmented?`
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`08:57.41`	`imex`	`peterS: what do i ahve to watch for when using Linux? other than not using root account`
`08:57.42`	`tijn`	`*fragmented`
`08:57.47`	`peterS`	`imex: but I'm not aware of any email viruses that target any linux email programs. I don't know if they exist or not. so AV on incoming mail is just a sort of anti-spam measure, more than anything`
`08:57.56`	`peaceyall`	`ok well SerajewelKS is there anything that can automount for u ?`
`08:58.00`	`SerajewelKS`	`tijn: right, UDP doesn't have delivery confirmation built-in`
`08:58.07`	`tijn`	`ok`
`08:58.08`	`imex`	`peterS: cool, thanks for the tip`
`08:58.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`tijn: as for the second part of your question, i have no idea what you mean`
`08:58.23`	`arafangion`	`peterS: I believe that linux viruses do exist, but they don't grow - unix's diversity is too great.`
`08:58.27`	`tijn`	`well a machine broadcast all those upd packets`
`08:58.45`	`peterS`	`arafangion: yeah but I've never heard of one that spreads via email to linux/unix email clients`
`08:58.45`	`imex`	`any idea when 2.6.xx would be stable for debian ?`
`08:58.54`	`tijn`	`if the packet isnt accepted by his destination, could it be it keeps sending and sending`
`08:58.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`arafangion: all i've heard of are server worms. i got one a while back running a vulnerable combination of OpenSSL+apache`
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`08:59.01`	`peaceyall`	`im switching back to hotplug`
`08:59.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`tijn: maybe`
`08:59.10`	`zxsykco`	`Hmmn, broadcasts are fun 255.255.255.255 is my favorite IP! ^_^`
`08:59.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`tijn: again that depends on the application`
`08:59.21`	`arafangion`	`SerajewelKS: Worms are not viruses, although a virus may well be a payload of the worm.`
`08:59.33`	`tijn`	`well the app is the problem :) it works crappy`
`08:59.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`most things people call viruses nowadays are really worms`
`08:59.47`	`liable`	`peaceyall: try an older version of udev from snapshot.d.o, i run .06 and still works without problems.`
`08:59.48`	`dondelelcaro`	`few things actually infect executables anymore...`
`08:59.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`arafangion: worms aren't viruses? i suggest you look up the definition of a virus...`
`08:59.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: they're not, techincally...`
`09:00.07`	`tijn`	`mmhz`
`09:00.11`	`peterS`	`arafangion: I did once hear about one virus which propagated through a unix mail client, pine. the pine user saved the executable attachment to his home directory, copied it over to a windows box, and ran it, to see what it would do. he thus got infected.`
`09:00.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: they're viruses that infect via a server hole`
`09:00.26`	`tijn`	`iam gonna try and make the packets send in 1 piece`
`09:00.33`	`imex`	`how to reply ppl in red or is that just sysop uses?`
`09:00.33`	`tijn`	`mebbe it works :D`
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`09:00.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: the usage has mutated to include them, but they're not. A virus is dependent on it's host program to be executed. A worm is not.`
`09:00.38`	`tijn`	`SerajewelKS, thnx for your help`
`09:00.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: ah`
`09:00.52`	`imex`	`i m pretty new to xchat and i keep typing ppl's nick to reply`
`09:00.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`tijn: np`
`09:01.02`	`zxsykco`	`Supposing that the domain name is correct and the DHCP server is clearly up and running, why would you(anyone) suppose that you couldn't pull an IP?`
`09:01.05`	`arafangion`	`SerajewelKS: Also pay attention to my comment that a virus may well be a worm's payload`
`09:01.08`	`tijn`	`imex, i think the red is because of they say ur name :)`
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`09:01.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: hence the entire reason why it's called a virus; a virus takes over the host cell's machinery in order to do what it does.`
`09:01.17`	`solata`	`hello`
`09:01.19`	`tijn`	`dunno which client u use :D`
`09:01.20`	`liable`	`!tell imex about nicktab`
`09:01.39`	`imex`	`thanks that was quick info ... hahaha`
`09:01.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`arafangion: i know that...`
`09:01.40`	`solata`	`how can i patch file in gdb ?`
`09:01.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`(whereas a bacteria or a worm has it's own machinery, and just uses the host organism's resources)`
`09:01.49`	`zxsykco`	`And the line. ofcourse, has near perfect signal, no packet loss, etc.`
`09:02.09`	`imex`	`liable, omg that is cool trick`
`09:02.18`	`SimonRaven`	`solata: you don't. man patch`
`09:02.21`	`liable`	`imex: :)`
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`09:03.01`	`imex`	`can use gnome programs in KDE?`
`09:03.06`	`peterS`	`sure`
`09:03.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`imex: yes.`
`09:03.09`	`jelly`	`zxsykco: not on the same ethernet segment? ;-)`
`09:03.10`	`peterS`	`most will run just fine`
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`09:03.20`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: so technically speaking, windows is the most popular worm invented, not virus`
`09:03.35`	`solata`	`hmmmm ....`
`09:03.52`	`peterS`	`SerajewelKS: if you want to get technical you have to drop the whole joke, because windows doesn't propagate itself automatically either`
`09:03.54`	`imex`	`dondelelcaro, cool`
`09:04.02`	`solata`	`break 0x080429c2 <---- trying to set breakpoint .... but it doesnt work`
`09:04.30`	`zxsykco`	`^_^ jelly that is not an issue on this line, thank you though! ^_^`
`09:04.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`peterS: wouldn't surprise me a bit if at some point it did ;)`
`09:04.35`	`alienbrain`	`imex, yeah, but that would require loading some extra stuff into memory, which will be used only for this gnome program, so if you have limited memory, try to stick to KDE apps when possible.`
`09:04.56`	`peterS`	`SerajewelKS: now the debtakeover script definitely has potential as a worm`
`09:05.06`	`zxsykco`	`Well, seeing as how I was trying to put debian quad-boot on this box and I am in winders now..`
`09:05.24`	`zxsykco`	`Using the same line and DHCPD in question.`
`09:05.29`	`imex`	`alienbrain, well, i guess i would have to for now then cause only 128mb ram and 5 gig drive, but so far i love Linux`
`09:06.15`	`zxsykco`	`Mayhaps the download was faulty?`
`09:06.51`	`Faust`	`hello world`
`09:07.00`	`zxsykco`	`Can't apt-check-sigs until installed yes? Or in debian with the apt-check-sigs available already?`
`09:07.04`	`imex`	`anyone else with kde can help me with tv program?`
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`09:07.16`	`Faust`	`how stable is reiser now on sarge or sid?`
`09:07.27`	`peterS`	`zxsykco: apt in debian unstable checks archive signatures`
`09:07.35`	`torc`	`is it possible to make some file to look like an SCSI generic (sg) device?`
`09:07.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`it's reiser. Backups are strongly recommended.`
`09:07.42`	`torc`	`kind of loop, but for scsi :)`
`09:07.45`	`peterS`	`zxsykco: and in debian testing, I see`
`09:07.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`torc: what's the point?`
`09:08.13`	`arafangion`	`How do I install cyrus-imapd?`
`09:08.21`	`torc`	`dondelelcaro: vmware requires scsi generic interface if you want to use a raw partition\disk as a virtual one.`
`09:08.38`	`Arsion`	`peterS: seems I found another one that seems to have been installed from somewhere, that didnt belong to sarge. zlib1g wasnt right version and needed it downgraded to install the mysql dev files. Thanks for the help earlier cause I knew what to do to force the downgrade`
`09:08.38`	`torc`	`dondelelcaro: my hp cciss controller is a block device, without any means for scsi ;(`
`09:08.40`	`peterS`	`torc: doesn't seem like that would be very functional. the point of scsi generic is an interactive set of commands, not just a blob of secondary storage`
`09:08.46`	`dondelelcaro`	`torc: vmware is on crack. You just need a file.`
`09:09.06`	`torc`	`dondelelcaro: fine. what about performance? will raw gain a bit?`
`09:09.09`	`peterS`	`Arsion: heh, good. I wonder how you got those updated packages`
`09:09.16`	`Faust`	`thanks, night`
`09:09.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`torc: possibly, but if you want raw, you should be talking directly to the hardware anyway`
`09:09.40`	`Arsion`	`peterS: i think I might know how. When I went to install the etch rt2500 package, i think it grabbed some others too`
`09:09.53`	`zxsykco`	`Hmmmn, I'll check the md5sum and if it's correct I think I may just swap gentoo back onto this box here and try debian on the box downstairs...`
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`09:10.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`arafangion: so apt-get install cyrus-imapd; or apt-get install cyrus21-imapd; /msg dpkg search`
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`09:10.11`	`torc`	`dondelelcaro: actually i'm going for files, as its even easier to backup them. which fs is the best for such multiGB files?`
`09:10.13`	`peterS`	`Arsion: it doesn't pull much in directly, I see. maybe the updated qt library pulled other crap in`
`09:10.26`	`arafangion`	`dondelelcaro: I've already done all that, but I'm having trouble following the instructions, for instance, I have no /etc/cyrus.conf file.`
`09:10.30`	`dondelelcaro`	`torc: any filesystem will work.`
`09:10.31`	`verden01`	`hey i'm in Australia an dwant to kno wwhere i can d/l a debian install cd from?`
`09:10.39`	`zxsykco`	`Can't figure out why in the heck I can't pull this silly address..`
`09:10.41`	`zxsykco`	`Grrr!`
`09:10.47`	`torc`	`dondelelcaro: if i use ext3 data journalling instead of ordered, is that fine?`
`09:10.56`	`Arsion`	`peterS: thats what i was thinking. but since i've dumped the rt2500 driver and went with ndiswrapper, i dont need those 'grabs' lol`
`09:10.57`	`arafangion`	`verden01: debian.org`
`09:11.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`torc: for a single file the filesystem matters little.`
`09:11.11`	`peterS`	`verden01: the install images aren't nearly as big as full CD images. anyway, see http://cdimage.debian.org/ for all the ways to get them`
`09:11.12`	`solata`	`how to jump two lines below ? in what firnat *address should be ? jump 0x080... doesnt work.`
`09:11.19`	`peterS`	`Arsion: right`
`09:11.21`	`solata`	`firnat = format`
`09:11.28`	`verden01`	`thanks`
`09:11.59`	`torc`	`dondelelcaro: ok, thanks! :)`
`09:12.09`	`peterS`	`verden01: by using jigdo and jigdo files, you can pull most of the archive from au-local mirrors, which I understand are sometimes metered differently from non-au mirrors, by your ISP`
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`09:12.51`	`arafangion`	`dondelelcaro: Basically, my problem is that I can't figure out how the heck to start the actual cyrus daemon, as it apparently doesn't exist.`
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`09:13.09`	`arafangion`	`dondelelcaro: updatedb && locate master gives me nothing.`
`09:13.10`	`zxsykco`	`A netinst isn't the same without the net!`
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`09:13.32`	`peterS`	`arafangion: does cyrus have a separate daemon or just the pop3 / imap4 ones? one normally runs those from inetd`
`09:13.40`	`zxsykco`	`And I am not going to assign a static IP, what would be the point of using an DHCPD! ^_^`
`09:14.18`	`peterS`	`oy, pi time in my TZ. (3:14:16)`
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`09:14.25`	`peterS`	`I should like go to bed or something`
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`09:14.48`	`imex`	`peterS: me too, its 4am here`
`09:14.49`	`xmag`	`hi there`
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`09:15.00`	`arafangion`	`peterS: Not sure, but the instruction state that I should arrange to start /usr/cyrus/bin/master at boot, I understand that debian rearranges some program locations to better follow the FHS, never-the-less, I simply can't find the program 'master' anywhere`
`09:15.08`	`xmag`	`i have a tiny problem mit (c)debootstrap trying to install debian using a knoppix cd`
`09:15.12`	`Orfeous`	`are there any channels for DVB-cards?`
`09:15.19`	`zxsykco`	`I have never had a problem before, I know I have space for about 254 machines! I certainly haven't leased every IP out on this net..`
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`09:15.20`	`xmag`	`i always run into mmap problems`
`09:15.31`	`peterS`	`arafangion: use 'dpkg -L ...cyrus-package-names...' to see where debian puts these things`
`09:15.44`	`arafangion`	`peterS: I have already installed cyrus-imapd`
`09:16.18`	`peterS`	`arafangion: and 'dpkg -l "cyrus*"' to see what cyrus packages are installed`
`09:16.21`	`Arsion`	`bed? bah! only wimps go to bed! stay awake for 7 weeks straight!!`
`09:16.27`	`arafangion`	`peterS: Looks like it calls it 'imapd'.`
`09:16.41`	`peterS`	`arafangion: yeah, and it probably put an entry into /etc/inetd.conf, possibly commented out, for you`
`09:17.27`	`peterS`	`Arsion: if you define a week as 4 hours, I can stay up for 7 weeks straight. but by the end of that time I'm pretty useless`
`09:17.36`	`arafangion`	`peterS: I haven't been able to find a single point of correspondence between debian's cyrus-imapd and the 'official' version, not even with respect to configuration in /etc`
`09:17.41`	`peterS`	`Arsion: if you define a week as 5 hours, it'd be a stretch for me`
`09:17.45`	`Arsion`	`peterS: nope...7/24`
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`09:17.57`	`xmag`	`jo isch leb :-)`
`09:18.03`	`xmag`	`hups`
`09:18.12`	`Arsion`	`peterS: i've actually had to stay awake one time for a full week...after that i finally passed out lol`
`09:18.17`	`arafangion`	`peterS: Infact, cyrus-imapd apparently puts _nothing_ in /etc`
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`09:18.39`	`zxsykco`	`Where did those little elves go that make the intarweb work?`
`09:18.47`	`peterS`	`arafangion: dpkg -L doesn't tell the whole story - sometimes a package creates a file in /etc/ during the post-installation, based on questions it asks you`
`09:18.57`	`zxsykco`	`I need to borrow a few to give my slackware a backrub or something!`
`09:19.02`	`peterS`	`arafangion: (and any such files won't be registered where 'dpkg -L' will see them)`
`09:19.08`	`Arsion`	`zxsykco: they went on strike. something about the keeblers getting more money then them`
`09:19.08`	`imex`	`heading tio bed, nite all`
`09:19.20`	`arafangion`	`peterS: fipex:/etc# dpkg-reconfigure cyrus-imapd`
`09:19.20`	`arafangion`	`fipex:/etc#`
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`09:19.29`	`zxsykco`	`nn, imex`
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`09:19.44`	`imex`	`zxsykco, ttyl`
`09:19.50`	`zxsykco`	`^_^`
`09:19.55`	`imex`	`eit`
`09:20.03`	`peterS`	`arafangion: yeah, I don't know anything about cyrus configuration, unfortunately`
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`09:20.17`	`arafangion`	`peterS: I'm just a little frustrated atm :(`
`09:20.19`	`peterS`	`debian or otherwise`
`09:20.29`	`arafangion`	`peterS: Otherwise is currently much easier.`
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`09:20.47`	`tchino`	`hello, i have problem to start my xserver, i have reconfigure my xfree86, but my screen stay black`
`09:20.55`	`zxsykco`	`Keeblers do make some good cookies....`
`09:21.04`	`peterS`	`arafangion: I notice 'cyrus-imapd' is version 1.5.19, 'cyrus21-imapd' is version 2.1.18`
`09:21.17`	`arafangion`	`Hmm, thanks.`
`09:21.18`	`peterS`	`arafangion: perhaps your upstream instructions more closely correspond to the latter`
`09:21.43`	`arafangion`	`peterS: That is likely to be the case.`
`09:22.07`	`peterS`	`arafangion: good luck. I think I will go to bed, not that I would have been able to help much anyway, since I don't run anything cyrus-related`
`09:22.23`	`arafangion`	`peterS: Thanks :)`
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`09:22.36`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: Please elaborate`
`09:23.00`	`zxsykco`	`nn, peterS`
`09:23.05`	`zxsykco`	`rest well`
`09:23.07`	`arafangion`	`?? nn`
`09:23.31`	`zxsykco`	`I can transfer ftp between linux/winders! What is the prob?`
`09:23.36`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: hahahaha I cant get them to connect to each other for transferring files between one another. I've tried to setup samba, but i guess I just dont know what I'm doing in that area. Couldn't even do it using a HowTo lol`
`09:23.41`	`zxsykco`	`night night, I'd gather.`
`09:24.02`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: They share the same physical network?`
`09:24.09`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: yes`
`09:24.16`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: What version of windows?`
`09:24.23`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: WinXp`
`09:24.27`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: home`
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`09:24.35`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: SP2?`
`09:24.40`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: yes`
`09:24.44`	`fireba11`	`Arsion: why don't you jsut use winscp ?`
`09:24.57`	`Arsion`	`fireba11: ? never heard of it`
`09:25.00`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: On the linux computer, what does smbclient -L <name of windows computer> say?`
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`09:25.21`	`corfe`	`I'm running sid. since a day or two ago when I apt-get upgraded, several of my apps have been crashing regularly, including firefox. Sometimes they leave an error related to "glib" on the command line, but not always.`
`09:25.25`	`fireba11`	`Arsion: FTP-lookalike that uses ssh to transfer files from windows to linux or bakc`
`09:25.40`	`corfe`	`Anyone know what's going on? What packages do I need to downgrade to get this fixed?`
`09:26.04`	`tchino`	`when i do lspci, i get 0000:00:0b.0 of my grafic-card, what i have set in the line in xfree86: PCI:00:XX:0, i think as XX = 12, is that right?`
`09:26.16`	`Arsion`	`.................`
`09:26.18`	`corfe`	`or is this a problem nobody else is experiencing?`
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`09:26.33`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: weird....it sees it and all the shared files`
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`09:26.49`	`zxsykco`	`tchino, I have found that comment that line out works great unless you have multiple graphics card of the same type in the same box.`
`09:26.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: check the bugs for glib`
`09:27.03`	`zxsykco`	`in the .conf file.`
`09:27.37`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: Ok, what's the precise error when you do whatever you're trying to do?`
`09:27.50`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: The command as well :)`
`09:27.54`	`deadcat`	`if 2.6.14 dont have firmware_class, how can i load my usb wireless card which requires firmware?`
`09:28.03`	`corfe`	`dondelelcaro: I checked for bugs in libglib-2.0-0, but found nothing that seemed to be related. I also checked in libgtk2.0-0`
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`09:28.21`	`awwa`	`i need a gnome awnser, anyone using evolution?`
`09:28.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: use the paster bot to paste the exact messages you're getting...`
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`09:28.47`	`arafangion`	`awwa: Just ask the damn question.`
`09:28.53`	`awwa`	`how do i change "on this computor"'s path for mails`
`09:28.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: if no one else is seeing them, you may need to reinstall glib et al.`
`09:29.01`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: well, last time I tried it was with my older server that broke down and was tossed. Havent tried it on this one...figured I would have same problems. Anyways, everytime i tried to connect to it, would always give an error of it not being there. Before, it couldnt even see the windows box`
`09:29.17`	`awwa`	`i dont know where it looks, but i want it to look in ~/Maildir`
`09:29.21`	`zxsykco`	`That is, tchino, comment the line out by putting a # sign at the beginning of the line with PCI:00:00:00 in the xfree86 .conf file.`
`09:29.25`	`arafangion`	`Arsion: What command are you attempting to use?`
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`09:29.37`	`lestest`	`is there a simple working tool to cut mp3 files?`
`09:30.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`lestest: apt-cache search mp3 split`
`09:30.10`	`fatal_`	`awwa: maybe the MAIL environment variable needs to be corrected... it should point to your local mailbox.`
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`09:30.37`	`awwa`	`export MAIL=/home/username/Maildir ?`
`09:30.39`	`Devil_Kin`	`hello, is there anyone here that might be able to help me with some pscsd problems?`
`09:30.44`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: tell ya the truth, i dont remember. been a while. i just wasnt going to attempt it on this one. Now that I know it sees it, i need to figure out the commands`
`09:31.02`	`awwa`	`fatal_: did not work`
`09:31.48`	`fatal_`	`awwa: ok... no idea then. :(`
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`09:32.19`	`awwa`	`"export MAIL=/home/username/Maildir ?"`
`09:32.22`	`awwa`	`fatal_:`
`09:32.27`	`tchino`	`zysykco: is the name xfrre86.conf, where is it?`
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`09:32.54`	`zxsykco`	`Are you using xfree86 or Xorg?`
`09:33.37`	`zxsykco`	`try updatedb as root and then locate XFree86 or man xfree86, I forget where exactly it is.`
`09:33.44`	`tchino`	`zysykco: i don't know, my X is linked on /usr/bin/X11/Xorg`
`09:33.50`	`corfe`	`dondelelcaro: this is the sort of message firefox gives me. Sometimes it's different, and the memory address is always different, and it seems to crash when doing different things each time: * glibc detected * corrupted double-linked list: 0x090a1248 ***`
`09:33.56`	`zxsykco`	`I think it is in /etc/X11/"something or other"`
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`09:34.11`	`zxsykco`	`Well then Xorg.conf`
`09:34.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: is it only firefox that is dying?`
`09:34.30`	`zxsykco`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`09:34.49`	`corfe`	`dondelelcaro: I seem to get the same behavior out of epiphany and galeon (actually they crash more often), and mozilla (non-firefox) crashes too, but less often than all of them`
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`09:35.14`	`zxsykco`	`Did you catch that, tchino?`
`09:35.15`	`solata`	`how can i see what functions (like main) are in program ? coz when i - start - program exits before it would break on the first line of main() ... so seems it starts on some other function. can somebody please help ?`
`09:35.20`	`Arsion`	`arafangion: i mean, afterall, when i tried it on the other one, i spent about 2 weeks trying to get it to work and it end up not working. I wasn't about to go through that again lol`
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`09:36.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: ok.. enable coredumps (ulimit -c 1000000) and run the program again from the shell which you set the ulimit; when it crashes, run gdb on the resultant core to see what it was doing when it segfaulted.`
`09:36.18`	`corfe`	`dondelelcaro: ok`
`09:36.27`	`zxsykco`	`Where are the core dumps generated from anywaqys?`
`09:36.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`zxsykco: from the memory that the process has mapped`
`09:36.50`	`zxsykco`	`Anyone know?`
`09:36.55`	`zxsykco`	`hmmn.`
`09:37.14`	`zxsykco`	`I mean what actually produces the core dump?`
`09:37.24`	`corfe`	`where does the "core" file go?`
`09:37.27`	`zxsykco`	`Not where are the contents of the core dump from..`
`09:37.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`zxsykco: the kernel does`
`09:37.38`	`zxsykco`	`Open it with gdb.`
`09:37.41`	`zxsykco`	`Ah.`
`09:37.48`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: CWD`
`09:37.49`	`solata`	`dondelelcaro, it doesnt crash .... it exits with error code 0 (which is ok) but i need to take a look at how it works, so i would need to step trought it, which seems i cant becouse it doesnt start on main(). anybody ?`
`09:38.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`solata: so strace it`
`09:38.08`	`zxsykco`	`try ##c.`
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`09:38.14`	`corfe`	`dondelelcaro: I don't see it, what file name does it end up with? Thanks for your help by the way`
`09:38.19`	`zxsykco`	`solata, try ##c!`
`09:38.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: core... possibly core.pid.`
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`09:38.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`corfe: but you need to enable coredumps, run the process, and get it to crash.`
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`09:38.45`	`zxsykco`	`They no all c related!`
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`09:38.53`	`zxsykco`	`s/no/know`
`09:39.55`	`corfe`	`dondelelcaro: hmm. I think I'm going to have to check this out some more later, I have to go right now, thanks for your help`
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`09:40.49`	`lestest`	`dondelelcaro: thankz`
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`09:41.04`	`tobo`	`how am i to enable xvmc in xine, i have the libxvmc1 package installed and there is a /usr/X11/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.7676 file. I think its working in mythtv since the cpu usage goes from 40 to 17 when enabling this...`
`09:41.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`como se hace un formateo a bajo nivel ?=`
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`09:42.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`ops... english... hehe, how to im make a format in "low level" to a new hard disk ?`
`09:42.05`	`tchino`	`zysykco: at the moment my updatedb works, wait a few minute`
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`09:42.52`	`solata`	`zxsykco, thats not c related`
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`09:42.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: you don't anymore; just run fdisk to partition and mkfs.whatever to make the filesystems`
`09:42.58`	`solata`	`thats gdb or maybe strace related`
`09:43.38`	`solata`	`strace gives me some output, but not some address where i could break in gdb`
`09:44.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`dondelelcaro, "fast format" ? its good ? i have buyed a new hard disk now, my f**** maxtor sucks my data... also one persons speaks me for the maxtor "you can recover the good work of the disk, with a "low level format" "`
`09:44.17`	`zxsykco`	`solata go to ##c I have already spoken with everyone there and they are awaiting your arrival! They will assist you!`
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`09:44.40`	`zxsykco`	`Why not?`
`09:44.44`	`zxsykco`	`c++?`
`09:44.51`	`zxsykco`	`c sharp?`
`09:44.53`	`zxsykco`	`c flat?`
`09:44.57`	`zxsykco`	`c minor?`
`09:44.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: no, you can't... the most you can do is write all zeros to it, and see if it will write to the end of the drive.`
`09:45.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`zxsykco: stop overusing enter, please.`
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`09:45.24`	`zxsykco`	`My apolgies, dondelcaro.`
`09:45.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: modern drives don't have a concept of a low level format. The drive firmware does all of that for you.`
`09:46.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: bad sectors are mapped out until drive runs out of its pool... when it does, you start seeing them, and generally the drive is toast at that point.`
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`09:46.37`	`Arsion`	`anyway i could get some assistance with the debian version of apache2?`
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`09:47.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: just ask your question.`
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`09:48.19`	`Arsion`	`i've set up some files in the sites-available folder. I've also made sure the default is in sites-enabled. However, whenever i go to the default domain, i get a 400 error. I check the log and see its trying to go to /htdocs and not /www/dragon/`
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`09:48.48`	`Arsion`	`400=404`
`09:49.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok dondelelcaro , im format normally then, and another day, im put zero's in the drive and look if is recoverable... im not understand what is the problem in the old hard disk... if works "very", it give's bad read's messages from the kernel and my system is frozen for some minutes`
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`09:49.48`	`tchino`	`zysykco: how can switch from xorg.conf to XF86config-4`
`09:50.06`	`zxsykco`	`What do you mean?`
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`09:50.11`	`tchino`	`zysykco: earlier, i have change XF86config-4`
`09:50.18`	`zxsykco`	`Use xfree86 instead of Xorg as an xserver?`
`09:50.43`	`zxsykco`	`Or vice versa?`
`09:51.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: yeah, that sounds like the drive is going away. I'd just jettison it and get a new one.`
`09:51.54`	`tchino`	`zysykco: how can i use xfree86`
`09:52.01`	`zxsykco`	`Depending on which xserver you are using you'll need to edit the corresponding corresponding config file. XF86config-4 if you are using Xfree86 as the xserver and Xorg.conf if you are using Xorg as your xserver.`
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`09:52.27`	`tchino`	`zysykco: how can i switch that`
`09:52.36`	`zxsykco`	`tchino, I'd have to leave this one to someone who is more familiar with debian.`
`09:52.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`the only problem is my data dondelelcaro ... i have all my data in it... im scaried about it :S`
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`09:52.46`	boris`````	`HAI :D:D:D`
`09:52.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`how to test if the data is good copied ? in good state ?`
`09:53.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`the quality of the data`
`09:53.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: you've use a2ensite and enabled those sites, right?`
`09:53.08`	`tchino`	`zysykco: how can i say debian, that it use xfree86`
`09:53.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: oh. Stop what you're doing right this second, and get all of your data off of the drive.`
`09:53.26`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: huh?`
`09:53.29`	`zxsykco`	`I'd guess apt-get remove xserver-xorg-common and replace it with Xfree86 and dpkg reconfigure whichever window managers you are using.`
`09:53.47`	`zxsykco`	`Not sure, sorry, tchino.`
`09:53.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: the sites you've enabled in /etc/apache2/sites-available are linked to in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled right?`
`09:54.00`	boris`````	`can i run debian on an alternative kernel?`
`09:54.05`	`dondelelcaro`	boris`````: yes.
`09:54.11`	boris`````	`like the BSD kernel?`
`09:54.24`	`dondelelcaro`	boris`````: yes. it's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
`09:54.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`or Debian GNU/HuRD`
`09:54.46`	boris`````	`what about the nt kernel?`
`09:55.07`	`dondelelcaro`	boris`````: WTF would you want to run that kernel? It's not DFSG Free, so no.
`09:55.17`	boris`````	`what is DFSG?`
`09:55.28`	`dondelelcaro`	!tell boris````` -about dfsg
`09:55.28`	`bibe`	`!dfsg`
`09:55.28`	`dpkg`	`somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines`
`09:55.34`	boris`````	`oh`
`09:55.52`	boris`````	`but it's more stable and overall a better kernel than the linux or BSD kernels`
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`09:56.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@cpe-24-58-62-52.twcny.res.rr.com] by dondelelcaro`
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`09:56.01`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`09:56.28`	`zxsykco`	`Hmmn, is it?`
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`09:56.50`	`zxsykco`	`Where do you have a clean comparison I could look at, boris?`
`09:57.04`	`azeem`	`zxsykco: boris left`
`09:57.08`	`dondelelcaro`	apparently in the boris````````````````````` bizzarro reality, yes...
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`09:57.40`	`zxsykco`	`Well, when windows lets me compile my kernel from scratch maybe I'll consider it.`
`09:57.43`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: ok, used a2ensite and enabled them. reloaded apache2 and get this "NameVirtualHost dv.dragonxtreme.net:0 has no VirtualHosts"`
`09:57.47`	`lestest`	`this has been the wired request I ever read`
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`09:59.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes dondelelcaro , i have tried this all this week, i have copied this data to another good hard disk, in another computer, without errors, but is imposible to record this data in a DVD for backup... i don't have idea why, its totally il-logic, data -> /dev/null don't give errors, also i have tested a TGZ of all, or a .iso ... but same error's in the same point's trying to record a DVD, diferents for all dir's of data's, i have lost`
`09:59.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:00.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: you generally want something like NameVirtualHost *; but in any case, yes, there isn't a VirtualHost corresponding to that interface, which is a bug.`
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`10:00.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: what filesystem are you using?`
`10:00.51`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: cant have * cause i have 2 subdomains`
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`10:00.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: sure you can`
`10:01.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`reiserfs dondelelcaro`
`10:01.34`	`solata`	`what is some good tool to patch files ? [possibly using same address format as gdb] ?`
`10:01.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: oh dear. Well, it's possible that reiserfs has screwed everything up... try taring up what you can.`
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`10:01.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`solata: eh? you patch source, and rebuild packages. You don't patch binaries.`
`10:02.02`	`solata`	`if i want to patch binary ?`
`10:02.15`	`azeem`	`solata: use a hex editor?`
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`10:02.22`	`solata`	`whats some good one ?`
`10:02.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`then use an ed script or something.`
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`10:02.49`	`zxsykco`	`And becareful wiht that one(hex editing your binaries, that is)!`
`10:02.51`	`azeem`	`solata: you have bigger problems than worrying what your favourtite hex editor is if you want to patch binaries`
`10:02.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`in any case, modifying code for which you don't have the source is way out of scope for #debian`
`10:03.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`(since it's obviously not DFSG free, and therefore not in Debian, and therefore not #debian related)`
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`10:04.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, reiserfs is bad dondelelcaro ? i have used reiserfs (version 3, no the new 4) all my life without problems, im happy with it`
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`10:04.43`	`LostAngel`	`if you delete some of dpkg's install scripts and file lists, how do you fix it ?`
`10:04.46`	`azeem`	`Thanatermesis: it's nice if it works for you, but a lot of people have issues`
`10:04.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`LostAngel: which file?`
`10:05.10`	`azeem`	`LostAngel: maybe there is something in /var/backups`
`10:05.11`	`zxsykco`	`dondelelcaro, do you know of a channel where whis subject might be in the scope of the channel? (This is for my personal use most importantly, as well as anyone else intersted in the sort)?`
`10:05.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: I've seen quite a few people with serious problems with it before. And unfortunatly, there's no easy way to repair it or verify that the data on disk is accurate.`
`10:05.27`	`LostAngel`	`files like: /usr/share/postgresql-common/maintscripts-functions`
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`10:05.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`LostAngel: that's in postgresql-common`
`10:05.35`	`LostAngel`	`for installing postgre`
`10:05.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`LostAngel: so apt-get --reinstall install postgresql-common`
`10:05.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`azeem, for example ? hehe, the reiserfs VS ext3 is a long discussion for all persons, 50 % of the ppl like more ext3 and another 50 % is for reiserfs...`
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`10:06.17`	`SlayerXP`	`Thanatermesis: yes, but the 50% who like reiser are stupid`
`10:06.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`zxsykco: well, unlikely that it'll be on this network, since we're about FOSS here, not proprietary stuff where you'd need to play with binaries.`
`10:06.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, and what FS recomends me then ?`
`10:06.25`	`SlayerXP`	`you take advice from morons often?`
`10:06.45`	`LostAngel`	`dondelelcaro: thanks`
`10:06.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol SlayerXP ... don't speak bad, the ppl of like reiserfs also can posible to thing about stupid for ext3 lol`
`10:06.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: unless you have a specific need to use reiser, and plan to backup often, the advice is ext2 and possibly ext3 if you are in one of the narrow cases where ext3 makes sense.`
`10:07.12`	`SlayerXP`	`Thanatermesis: yes, but their opinion doesn't count`
`10:07.31`	`azeem`	`SlayerXP: just because you choose reiser doesn't make you a moron`
`10:07.35`	`zxsykco`	`Hmmn, I suppose so, dondelelcaro, thanks for your input. There is a windows chan on freenode though! ^_^`
`10:07.35`	`iKernel`	`Bah. I'll go to #mepis.`
`10:07.43`	`azeem`	`people might have a reasonable backup strategy along with it, e.g.`
`10:07.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`why SlayerXP ? ppl have good opinions about reiserfs and ppl have good opinions of ext3... its a middle balance`
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`10:09.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: anyway, try to run the fsck.reiserfs in resier4progs`
`10:09.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: or locate a fsck for reiser 3.`
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`10:09.28`	`cmdKeen`	`How can I read which keys are pressed through standard C++/C librarues ?`
`10:09.38`	`cmdKeen`	`SORRY, bad channel`
`10:10.22`	`zxsykco`	`cmdKeen, you need ##c!`
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`10:10.51`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: i'm still getting the same problem. 404 errors`
`10:11.11`	`cmdKeen`	`zxsykco, I wanted to write is there, just bad tab.`
`10:11.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: ok, use the paster bot to paste the error.log output for that domain, that domain's configuration file, and the output of HEAD http://foodomain.com/fileyouwant`
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`10:11.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`(assuming you have libwww-perl installed)`
`10:12.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok dondelelcaro , thanks to all... im try to reboot and copy the most important data now, after, i try to pass this fsck's`
`10:12.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`also... then ext3 is the better option ?`
`10:12.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`wget -O/dev/null -S http://... otherwise`
`10:12.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`for my new hd`
`10:12.53`	`zxsykco`	`I use ext3.`
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`10:13.00`	`tchino`	`zysykco: the system says, when i want to reconfigure xfree86, that the package is out of order or not complete installed`
`10:13.02`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: I personally run ext2 unless I have some reason to choose a different filesystem.`
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`10:13.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: the use cases where another filesystem makes sense are fairly specialized.`
`10:13.21`	`SlayerXP`	`ext2 is for girls`
`10:13.40`	`zxsykco`	`Try apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-common, I think.`
`10:13.49`	`zxsykco`	`tchino.`
`10:13.58`	`Orfeous`	`need help getting my DVB-card working under linux.`
`10:13.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`SlayerXP: either make a cogent statement about it, or kindly stop maligning.`
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`10:14.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`dondelelcaro, but im little scaried about the "check's" of the ext3 and more for ext2 in the boot's... specially if have a forced reboot`
`10:14.23`	`SlayerXP`	`dondelelcaro: did I say that was a bad thing? :)`
`10:14.23`	`Orfeous`	`i have compiled everything as modules and loaded them bia modprobe. kernel found the card in the boot process.`
`10:14.41`	`mbn`	`i need to remove sarge from one of my computers :( so i need to uninstall grub. fdisk /mbr not working`
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`10:14.49`	`mbn`	`can i do it from knoppix ?`
`10:14.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`Thanatermesis: that's no big deal; set FSCKFIX=yes in your /etc/defaults/rcS, and it'll fix them for you.`
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`10:15.07`	`Orfeous`	`but when i try to scan channels it says "FD 2: fd_dvr DEMUX DEVICE: : No such device"`
`10:15.09`	`liable`	`mbn: you dont uninstall it, you write over it..`
`10:15.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`mbn: install the mbr package and use that.`
`10:15.25`	`mbn`	`hope knoppix have it`
`10:15.28`	`Orfeous`	`are there any irc channel for support at DVB?`
`10:15.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum`
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`10:15.46`	`mbn`	`<dondelelcaro> what is the command ?`
`10:15.49`	`jessicaNZ`	`I just installed the 2.6.12 kernel and when I rebooted kdm didn't start!`
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`10:16.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`mbn: apt-get install mbr; install-mbr`
`10:16.13`	`mbn`	`2.6.12 is in sarge stable ?`
`10:16.19`	`mbn`	`thanks <dondelelcaro>`
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`10:16.41`	`tchino`	`zysykco: the system says, that it cannot found the source-package xserver-xorg-common`
`10:16.48`	`dondelelcaro`	`mbn: no, 2.6.8 is.`
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`10:17.05`	`mbn`	`im not fond of the 2.6.8`
`10:17.20`	`konfuzed`	`hey there in apt which is newer mysql-server-4.1 or mysql-server`
`10:17.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`tchino: because that's not the source package. xorg-x11 is.`
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`10:17.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`mbn: then use etch's installer, or install your own build of 2.6.12 or .14`
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`10:18.09`	`konfuzed`	`~mysql`
`10:18.10`	`apt`	`SQL (Structured Query Language) database server. URL: http://www.mysql.com/`
`10:18.11`	`konfuzed`	`;^)`
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`10:18.50`	`tchino`	`dondelelcaro: and can say the system, that i want to reconfigure xfree86 and not xorg`
`10:19.04`	`tchino`	`dondelelcaro: and how can I say the system, that i want to reconfigure xfree86 and not xorg`
`10:19.10`	`dondelelcaro`	`tchino: uh... if you've installed xorg, xorg is all there is.`
`10:19.13`	`konfuzed`	`is apt-cache mysql-server comprised of mysql 5 or something else`
`10:19.15`	`mbn`	`<dondelelcaro> too lazy for that :) will wait for it to become stable`
`10:19.22`	`zxsykco`	`tchino, what do you want to use? Xorg or xfree86? install whichever one you want and then possibly reconfigure packages with dpkg reconfigure and possibly apt-get buil-dep for whichever xservers/window managers you install, and that should do it.`
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`10:19.43`	`zxsykco`	`s/buil-dep/build-dep`
`10:19.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`konfuzed: that's 4; apt-cache show would have told you that.`
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`10:21.17`	`zxsykco`	`I haven't used debian sarge or the main debian dist. I have, however, used ubuuntu phlak and many other debian based distros.`
`10:21.22`	`zxsykco`	`tchino.`
`10:21.30`	`konfuzed`	`never used deb before so never new about show`
`10:21.31`	`konfuzed`	`thanks`
`10:21.51`	`zxsykco`	`So if someone would like to clarify any errors I may be accidentally passing to tchino, please correct me.`
`10:21.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`konfuzed: /msg dpkg search; /msg dpkg reference;`
`10:22.04`	`konfuzed`	`any one have a prediction about when mysql 5 .deb might be on available`
`10:22.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`tchino: what are you actually trying to do?`
`10:22.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`!+info mysql-server-5.0`
`10:22.17`	`dpkg`	`Updating debian files... please wait.`
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`10:22.26`	`dpkg`	`mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.15-2 (sid), Packaged size: 16680 kB, Installed size: 37412 kB`
`10:22.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`konfuzed: ^^^^`
`10:22.37`	`konfuzed`	`kewl`
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`10:22.48`	`tchino`	`yes, i have found the error`
`10:22.52`	`konfuzed`	`apt-cache search did not show me any mysql 5`
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`10:23.02`	`zxsykco`	`^_^`
`10:23.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`konfuzed: if you're running stable, you'll need a backport. mysql 5 is in unstable, and probably in testing.`
`10:23.38`	`pharm`	`Quickie question: anyone else seeing hangs with the new gdm in unstable? It's locking up my system on invoking gdmflexiserver.`
`10:23.49`	`tchino`	`zysykco: the adress of slot has an error`
`10:23.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`pharm: if they are, there will be bugs filed in the bts.`
`10:24.01`	`konfuzed`	`hhhmm my apt-cache can not locate mysql-server-5.0`
`10:24.19`	`zxsykco`	`Address of slot, tchino?`
`10:24.23`	`konfuzed`	`4.1 should do I suppose`
`10:24.27`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/434147`
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`10:24.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`pharm: looks like #319345`
`10:24.59`	`zxsykco`	`Did you comment out the line in Xorg that corresponds with your bus ID, tchino?`
`10:25.24`	`zxsykco`	`^_^`
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`10:25.33`	`zxsykco`	`That makes things a lot easier.`
`10:25.35`	`pharm`	`dondelelcaro: it's probably a specific bug with my hardware though. Nothing in the bts right now.`
`10:25.45`	`neoxan`	`<-- troll`
`10:25.47`	`neoxan`	`please ban me`
`10:25.50`	`neoxan`	`thanks in advance`
`10:26.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`!dbugs 319345`
`10:26.46`	`dpkg`	`#319345:I[gdm] gdmflexiserver hangs up after sending command 'FLEXI_XSERVER Standard'; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:18:05 UTC`
`10:26.48`	`neoxan`	`un1337`
`10:26.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`pharm: you were saying?`
`10:26.58`	`pharm`	`dondelelcaro: #319345 is the old gdm version.`
`10:27.19`	`pharm`	`dondelelcaro: and I'm not talking about gdmflexiserver hanging, but the entire system.`
`10:27.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`pharm: well, if the entire system is hanging you've got > 1 bug; can you log in using ssh?`
`10:27.50`	`pharm`	`dondelelcaro: Never mind. Obviously no one else is seeing it right now. Probably an unholy kernel / DRI bug tickled by the new gdm version :(`
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`10:28.19`	`pharm`	`dondelelcaro: nope. Network is down...which makes it a leeetle big tricky to debug exactly which piece is dying.`
`10:28.26`	`pharm`	`s/big/bit/`
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`10:29.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: 1) You need to set a ServerName inside of the virtual host. 2) the fact that it's looking in /htdocs sounds like you've got one of the massive virtual server setups running.`
`10:29.20`	`pharm`	`Ah well. I've downgraded to the old gdm for the moment.`
`10:29.40`	`row`	`if I want to run some route cmds when ppp0 goes up where would I place the script for it to be run by pppd?`
`10:29.53`	`neoxan`	`<-- troll`
`10:29.53`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: possible. i will be having about 15+ virtual's once i'm done`
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`10:29.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: 3) you just need a single NameVirtualHost ; and then for every <VirtualHost > Name ... Alias...;`
`10:29.55`	`neoxan`	`please ban me`
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`10:29.57`	`neoxan`	`thanks in advance`
`10:30.03`	`neoxan`	`ban me, im a troll`
`10:30.08`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`10:30.08`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@p508B4B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro`
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`10:31.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`Arsion: finally, all of that other crap doesn't need to be in your virtualhost; just include exactly what you're using...`
`10:31.55`	`mlewis00`	`Where do I configure the DNS servers for my ISP?`
`10:32.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`mlewis00: in /etc/resolv.conf; generally dhcp will do that for you.`
`10:32.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`anyway, localtime all.`
`10:33.18`	`mlewis00`	`dondelelcaro: Hmmm, I thought that it was automatic but I seem to be having some delays until the host entry is resolved and then everything is normal...`
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`10:34.41`	`row`	`If I use route to add a route that is already there it will just not add it right?`
`10:35.25`	`knite`	`I just created a new partition /dev/hda3 for swap, but I can't "swapon" yet, because it doesn't exist in /proc/partitions yet. Can I make it appear without rebooting?`
`10:36.14`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: better? http://pastebin.com/434156`
`10:36.29`	`jm_`	`kniw;man sfdisk, try that`
`10:36.34`	`jm_`	`knite ^^^^`
`10:36.42`	`knite`	`jm_, ok, i'll check that`
`10:36.55`	`bbrazil`	`knite: there's a -Z(?) option to hdparm. at your own risk`
`10:37.18`	`bbrazil`	`small z`
`10:37.25`	`jm_`	`yeah that's similar`
`10:37.42`	`bbrazil`	`have you seen it?`
`10:37.45`	`bbrazil`	`+work`
`10:38.09`	`jm_`	`no, I never used this, the cases where it didn't work with just plain fdisk usually required me to reboot anyway`
`10:39.11`	`knite`	`jm_: sfdisk seems to be just a different version of fdisk? i don't see something that addresses the issue that kernel doesn't know about the newly added partition`
`10:39.50`	`bbrazil`	`jm_: ah well, I've suggested it to a few people in here but never heard back from them`
`10:40.02`	`jm_`	`knite: -r ...`
`10:40.14`	`jm_`	`sorry -R`
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`10:41.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`what about XFS dondelelcaro ?`
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`10:41.39`	`knite`	`jm_: ok... says device busy`
`10:41.51`	`jm_`	`knite: right, man page mentions that ;)`
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`10:42.35`	`knite`	`jm_: yeah, I'll try to unmount other partitions on that drive...`
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`10:43.11`	`knite`	`I wonder how dangerous it is to "swapoff" an active system`
`10:43.41`	`bbrazil`	`knite: quite safe - unless you really need that swap`
`10:44.20`	`knite`	`bbrazil: ... would it warn me?`
`10:44.21`	`Arsion`	`dondelelcaro: hmmm, now i cant even start the httpd server`
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`10:47.10`	`knite`	`OK! Got the partition to show up in /proc/partitions but swapon now says "/dev/hda3: Invalid Argument"`
`10:48.23`	`knite`	`Ahh... figured it out. I didn't mkswap yet.`
`10:48.41`	`bbrazil`	`knite: good question, probaly not. if you don't have enough memory to unswap everything though it won't let you`
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`10:49.15`	`knite`	`bbrazil: yeah, it took almost a minute for unswapping. I was worried for a second.`
`10:49.16`	`davix`	`anyone knows of a good alternative to Microsoft's OneNote?`
`10:50.18`	`Ronin`	`would have to know what onenote is first davix`
`10:50.21`	`knite`	`Alright, now I'm armed with 4x as much (virtual) memory. Time to try 'gotmail' again...`
`10:50.37`	`bbrazil`	`knite: /proc/meminfo should give you the info you need, or just top`
`10:50.49`	`davix`	`Ronin, http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/FX010858031033.aspx`
`10:51.32`	`bbrazil`	`Ronin: its a pretty nice app for taking notes, audio and video recordings. multiple sections, links pretty powerful drag and drop`
`10:51.45`	`Ronin`	`ahh thanks bbrazil`
`10:51.54`	`bbrazil`	`doesn't work too well for pasting in code though`
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`10:52.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`SlayerXP, what about XFS ?`
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`10:59.04`	`solata`	`hmmm ...`
`10:59.07`	`solata`	`what does this do :`
`10:59.10`	`solata`	`0x0804851d <_start+156>: cmpl $0x0,0xffffff9c(%ebp)`
`10:59.18`	`solata`	`compares ebp to WHAT ?`
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`10:59.25`	`solata`	`$0x0 ?`
`10:59.30`	`solata`	`to 0 ?`
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`11:00.05`	`knite`	`Thanks jm_ and bbrazil. Thanks #Debian. :-)`
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`11:02.06`	`bbrazil`	`solata: as a guess compare the long value 0 to that in ebp`
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`11:07.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`no opinions about XFS ?`
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`11:08.24`	`solata`	`0x0804851b <_start+154>: nop`
`11:08.24`	`solata`	`0x0804851c <_start+155>: nop`
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`11:08.33`	`solata`	`sorry`
`11:08.52`	`jm_`	`Thanatermesis: seems to work fine on our SGI machines :)`
`11:08.56`	`solata`	`so .... whats the difference between cmpl $0x0,0xffffffa0(%ebp) and cmpl $0x0,0xffffff9c(%ebp) ?`
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`11:09.24`	`tchino`	`i cannot do settings with admin-rights in kde`
`11:09.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`jm_, and in my 1400 Mhz ? :)`
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`11:10.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`im looking a "comparation's" page... and the XFS looks really better in all speed tests, also, is a very powerfull FS`
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`11:10.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have tested one time... without any problem, but i don't know why but i have returned to reiserfs`
`11:10.58`	`tijn`	`wtf :S`
`11:11.00`	`tijn`	`X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)`
`11:11.00`	`tijn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:11.12`	`tijn`	`one time it works, for 3 times, next time i get this`
`11:11.30`	`xoz`	`tijn: what's your video card?`
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`11:12.20`	`tijn`	`nvidia 6600 gt`
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`11:12.46`	`Guerin`	`driver?`
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`11:12.53`	`tijn`	`nvidia, works as a charm`
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`11:13.00`	`Guerin`	`tijn: apparently not`
`11:13.08`	`tijn`	`;)`
`11:13.10`	`tijn`	`well`
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`11:13.20`	`tijn`	`one time it works, next time it doesnt`
`11:13.27`	`tijn`	`but glx and all are good`
`11:13.36`	`Guerin`	`that doesn't count as a charm to me`
`11:13.42`	`rss`	`hi, how to save a irc log/transcript in BitchX?`
`11:13.42`	`tijn`	`twinview works`
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`11:14.13`	`tijn`	`lets put it this way i havent noticed anything that didnt work :d`
`11:14.15`	`RichiH`	`oiJjmz: if you are not a bot, please answer`
`11:14.16`	`tijn`	`:D`
`11:14.16`	`RichiH`	`grr`
`11:14.23`	`Guerin`	`tijn: try nv; if you get the same response, file a bug against the x server. If it doesn't, send email to devnull@nvidia.com`
`11:14.28`	`hackeron`	`I'm trying to get rid of a reiser4 partition - its not mounted or anything, I did mkfs.ext3 /dev/md2 but when it comes to mounting, it says "already in use" unless I mount with mount -t reiser4 -- any ideas?`
`11:14.42`	`tijn`	`ok ill try`
`11:14.43`	`tijn`	`thnx`
`11:14.57`	`Guerin`	`hackeron: delete and remake the partition`
`11:15.01`	`Guerin`	`hackeron: i blame reiser4`
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`11:15.12`	`hackeron`	`Guerin: yes, so do I, but how do I delete and remake the partition?`
`11:15.26`	`Guerin`	`hackeron: *fdisk`
`11:15.38`	`Guerin`	`hackeron: cfdisk is curses-tastic`
`11:15.40`	`tijn`	`fdisk /dev/md`
`11:16.05`	`nksen`	`is there a tool to EASILY copy dvds like clonedvd or shrinkdvd on windows? I mean. I do not want to manually rip the dvd, encode it and burn it. I just wanna hit one or two buttons to copy`
`11:16.05`	`Guerin`	`tijn: sorry, that email address should be hahasuckerwedontcare@nvidia.com`
`11:16.06`	`hackeron`	`tijn: its not a drive`
`11:16.20`	`Guerin`	`nksen: man bash`
`11:16.28`	`Guerin`	`nksen: it's trivially scriptable`
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`11:16.40`	`hackeron`	`Guerin: you mean mdadm? -- its a raid partition`
`11:16.42`	`tijn`	`Guerin, just noticed the email address.. :)`
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`11:16.44`	`hackeron`	`Guerin: aany other way?`
`11:17.04`	`Guerin`	`hackeron: i know less than nothing about raid`
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`11:17.24`	`Guerin`	`hackeron: so little that I didn't even click that md* is raid`
`11:17.35`	`tijn`	`nksen, i found dvdshrink for linux about a month ago, dunno where, but its there`
`11:17.42`	`nksen`	`tijn: nice, thx!`
`11:17.45`	`tijn`	`np`
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`11:18.01`	`tchino`	`how can set the solution on 1152x864, i have only 1024x768`
`11:18.07`	`hackeron`	`Guerin: heh, I see :)`
`11:18.11`	`Guerin`	`!drxx tchino`
`11:18.13`	`dpkg`	`tchino: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`11:18.51`	`hackeron`	`Guerin: damn reiser4! -- found so many problems with it in a few weeks of using - how the hell does Hans have the nerve to call it stable`
`11:19.29`	`tijn`	`well, he wanted to call it "bob" but that was a crappy name :)`
`11:20.01`	`davix`	`any students use linux? I'm looking for an alternative for Ms OneNote.`
`11:22.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`XFS can be posible to boot from / now ?`
`11:23.01`	`Shadur`	`davix: What's that do?`
`11:23.17`	`Shadur`	`hackeron: And now you know why I don't use reiser. :)`
`11:24.20`	`davix`	`Shadur, makes a student life easy by setting up all of the related stuff being worked out under a specific catagory/class/course and being able to backup and restore the whole work`
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`11:24.39`	`hackeron`	`Shadur: indeed. I just thought hell, if Hans says its stable, thats good enough for me. It bloddy isnt!`
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`11:25.10`	`hackeron`	`Shadur: I thought hell, the creator of reiser3 must know what he's talking about :(`
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`11:29.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`grub accepts a boot with a kernel in a XFS partition ?`
`11:30.35`	`resiak`	`Hmm, which file systems you can boot from should be (but IIRC isn't) in IG>`
`11:31.13`	`Guerin`	`Thanatermesis: no`
`11:31.38`	`Guerin`	`Thanatermesis: there's exactly 0 good reason for /boot to be anything other than etx*`
`11:31.48`	`Guerin`	`ext2, even`
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`11:32.37`	`ChrisBradley`	`hello`
`11:32.43`	`ChrisBradley`	`I have Debian Etch working`
`11:32.47`	`jm_`	`well unless /boot is on /`
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`11:33.04`	`ChrisBradley`	`testing 11/14/05`
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`11:33.46`	`sparr`	`there is a website somewhere that lists the date/time for timestamp overflow for hundreds of architectures. for example the unix seconds-since-epoch as a signed 32 bit int rolls over in 2038. but this page catalogs hundreds of timestamp systems. anyone know where that page is?`
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`11:38.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`Guerin, im try to use my system for have / in xfs... im not sure if need a special thing about htis`
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`11:41.00`	`systems`	`i remember there was an issue with the cdrecord tool license, right`
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`11:41.40`	`petemc`	`systems: i think the issue is the author of cdrecord is a bit of a nut`
`11:41.43`	`Guerin`	`Thanatermesis: i think you need to use lilo in that case`
`11:42.01`	`Guerin`	`petemc: i think the term "complete arsehole" is more commonly used`
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`11:42.07`	`systems`	`i want to recall what was it, was is solved`
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`11:47.38`	`Orfeous`	`where are /decv/fs-support located in kernel config?`
`11:48.27`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: use / to find it`
`11:49.04`	`Guerin`	`Orfeous: grep combinations of DEV and FS /boot/config-*`
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`11:50.25`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`11:50.51`	`Orfeous`	`it doesnt exist :P`
`11:51.16`	`amorphix`	`firewall/iptables question: I'm running a DC client (Valknut) and cant get any file transfers working, I think its port related? can anyone suggest a rule to allow inward file transfers on different ports from DC?`
`11:51.47`	`jm_`	`tell DC to use specific ports, open them`
`11:51.56`	`jm_`	`well tell DC client that is`
`11:52.18`	`amorphix`	`jm_: I've done that and searching and hub connections etc all goes fine, but on file transfers, according to the log they use random ports a bit like ftpd`
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`11:52.34`	`jm_`	`amorphix: and you can't limit them?`
`11:52.49`	`bop1`	`hi in which package the man pages for libc functions are?`
`11:52.56`	`amorphix`	`I dont think so, it seems to be the other side of the connection that uses them`
`11:52.58`	`petemc`	`bop1: manpages-dev, at a guess`
`11:53.23`	`jm_`	`yes, but your client probably tells them where to connect to`
`11:54.15`	`amorphix`	`oh, theres an Active Mode and a Passive Mode..in Active Mode it says listen on port 1000 for tcp for transfers`
`11:55.12`	`amorphix`	`thats what i need eh, but in log theres random ports showing for inward connections...is that nothing to worry about?`
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`11:55.38`	`jm_`	`that probably means random source port and fixed destination port - is that the case?`
`11:55.58`	`amorphix`	`yeah thats right`
`11:56.19`	`jm_`	`then open connections for dst port 1000 (are you running it as root)`
`11:56.21`	`Orfeous`	`hmm..`
`11:56.28`	`amorphix`	`yup`
`11:56.44`	`kurumin`	`apt-get n�o funciona`
`11:56.53`	`sussudio`	`!kill kurumin`
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`11:57.07`	`amorphix`	`sheesh i cant remember how to construct a rule to open port :-/`
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`11:57.40`	`amorphix`	`i have some entries like this in my iptables: ACCEPT !tcp -- anywhere BASE-ADDRESS.MCAST.NET/4`
`11:57.55`	`amorphix`	`this looks dodgy?`
`11:58.44`	`SimonRaven`	`it's a multicast address`
`11:59.44`	`amorphix`	`whats that mean Simon?`
`11:59.55`	`SimonRaven`	`look it up ;)`
`11:59.56`	`amorphix`	`I dont remember adding this rule`
`11:59.59`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`12:00.07`	`jm_`	`amorphix: use iptables -n`
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`12:00.28`	`amorphix`	`iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -p tcp --1000 <-- this looks ok for port opening?`
`12:00.55`	`shark_`	`nop`
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`12:01.36`	`amorphix`	`:-(`
`12:01.42`	`amorphix`	`where did I go wrong?`
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`12:02.20`	`saloxin`	`amorphix: what's --1000 suppposed to do?`
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`12:03.35`	`amorphix`	`ah`
`12:03.50`	`amorphix`	`should be:`
`12:03.57`	`amorphix`	`iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 1000 <-- this looks ok for port opening?`
`12:04.20`	`amorphix`	`or: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT --dport 1000`
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`12:04.38`	`amorphix`	`whats the difference?`
`12:05.11`	`amorphix`	`The first filter rule permits all outgoing communication. The --state NEW, RELATED, ESTABLISHED option tells the firewall to allow packets of both new and already established connections to pass. (Packets are the basic part of all network communication.) Packets that are related to existing connections but use a different port, such as FTP data transfers, are also permitted.`
`12:05.50`	`amorphix`	`so how do we allow incoming as well?`
`12:06.14`	`saloxin`	`icoming == NEW?`
`12:06.27`	`amorphix`	`oh`
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`12:07.36`	`amorphix`	`iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state INCOMING,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT --dport 1000 ?`
`12:07.42`	`amorphix`	`looks ok?`
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`12:08.22`	`amorphix`	iptables v1.3.3: Bad state `INCOMING,ESTABLISHED'
`12:08.22`	`saloxin`	`nono - NEW was right. man itables /--state`
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`12:08.27`	`amorphix`	`ah. sorry`
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`12:09.53`	`idan_`	`i have a general quastion and i really need you help: there were 2 sites, 1 that you can see fake photos of girls and boys that are running on the net, the other one is that you can write anything and a girl or a boy will hold a board and show what you write, can you help me and tell me them?`
`12:10.35`	`amorphix`	`still not working, cant get any connection inward :(`
`12:10.46`	`RichiH`	`idan_: wtf`
`12:10.56`	`amorphix`	`lol`
`12:11.01`	`amorphix`	`surreal`
`12:11.03`	`idan_`	`richih: some 2 websits i am tring to find all day`
`12:11.29`	`amorphix`	`why ask in here?!`
`12:11.34`	`amorphix`	`try Google`
`12:11.39`	`Guerin`	`idan_: i'll make you such a site. It'll cost $10,000 to set up and $500/month in maintenance. More if you want extra content.`
`12:11.56`	`idan_`	`amorphix: you think i really asked this if i didnt tryed?`
`12:11.57`	`xoz`	`another one from israel`
`12:12.07`	`Guerin`	`!il`
`12:12.07`	`dpkg`	`i guess il is Israel, home of some truly great people`
`12:12.08`	`amorphix`	`Guerin: what about the wages for those girls and boys who hold up the signs all day? all will you employ Chinese`
`12:12.12`	`Guerin`	`haha`
`12:12.19`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`12:12.21`	`Guerin`	`amorphix: hell no, i'll fake it`
`12:12.30`	`Phated`	`amorphix: #debian are all paedophiles!`
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`12:12.34`	`amorphix`	`phew`
`12:12.39`	`xoz`	`eew`
`12:12.40`	`Guerin`	`amorphix: haha - you think those sites are real!`
`12:12.44`	`Guerin`	`sucka!`
`12:12.48`	`amorphix`	`:P`
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`12:12.58`	`fukngruv`	`anybody know the command I have to type before apt get?`
`12:13.10`	`zOrK`	`apt-get install`
`12:13.16`	`slibs`	`also apt-get update`
`12:13.31`	`zOrK`	`or apt-get dist-upgrade`
`12:13.32`	`amorphix`	`apt-setup`
`12:13.46`	`zOrK`	`apt-config`
`12:14.04`	`liable`	`fukngruv: yes, apt-get install debian-reference; debian-reference`
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`12:14.41`	`zOrK`	`who saw Linux - The code movie?`
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`12:15.45`	`Brian_L`	`i saw that`
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`12:15.54`	`fukngruv`	`I'm trying to use apt-get to get files to for mozilla to stream video Help?`
`12:15.55`	`Brian_L`	`It was ok`
`12:15.57`	`zOrK`	`Brian_L, its a good movie?`
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`12:16.05`	`zOrK`	`im downloading it`
`12:16.10`	`Brian_L`	`yeah, its worth a see`
`12:16.26`	`zOrK`	`nice:)`
`12:16.30`	`flamethrower`	`Is there any way to get alsa to STOP unloading snd-emu10k1 before trying to detect my Soundblaster Live?`
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`12:16.38`	`flamethrower`	`Without SND-Emu10k1, it fails every time.`
`12:16.56`	`chealer`	`fukngruv: you must want a plugin for some movie player. which one do you want?`
`12:17.30`	`fukngruv`	`Anyone that will allow mozilla to stream. Tried to install real player didn't work`
`12:18.04`	`chealer`	`fukngruv: that depends on what kind of stream`
`12:18.23`	`fukngruv`	`video worked with windows but I like linux better`
`12:19.38`	`fukngruv`	`chealer I just need to stream video`
`12:19.48`	`Lanix`	`zOrK: whats the name of the movie ?`
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`12:20.03`	`fukngruv`	`no movie off of a web site`
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`12:20.24`	`zOrK`	`Laney, Linux - The code, get on http://torrentz.burn.myvnc.com:5454/`
`12:21.17`	`chealer`	`fukngruv: and you want to use a mozilla plugin to stream video??`
`12:22.00`	`Guerin`	`this browser plugin scam is nothing but evilness`
`12:22.17`	`Guerin`	`it encourages people to think of their web browser as their OS`
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`12:22.43`	`chealer`	`isn't there a mozilla emacs plugin?`
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`12:22.55`	`flamethrower`	`Heh. I wish it was as simple as that.`
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`12:23.10`	`flamethrower`	`ALSA doesn't see my SB Live without emu10k1, but unloads it before detection every time.`
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`12:23.21`	`iskywalker`	`hi! which gmp should i take for installing the multiple precision library (for coding and docu and examples)`
`12:23.32`	`iskywalker`	`atp-cache search gmp shows me a lot`
`12:23.37`	`iskywalker`	`of option`
`12:23.38`	`iskywalker`	`s`
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`12:23.54`	`slibs`	`anyone got expirience with thinkpad 600x (or something else with uses neomagic magicmedia 256ZX driver)?, i'd like to watch dvd movies, but they wont work, videofiles like divx in dvd-roms work perfectly`
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`12:24.06`	`zOrK`	`apt-cache search gmp\|grep 2.0`
`12:24.10`	`zOrK`	`like that iskywalker ?`
`12:24.19`	`iskywalker`	`why 2.0?`
`12:24.35`	`zOrK`	`its just a example`
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`12:24.52`	`zOrK`	`to search, and then just install it`
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`12:25.22`	`chealer`	`!tell slibs about doesn't work`
`12:25.28`	`man_in_shack`	`why is vlc not in main distro any more?`
`12:25.45`	`Guerin`	`man_in_shack: it is, just not in testing`
`12:25.48`	`Guerin`	`man_in_shack: ftbfs`
`12:25.55`	`man_in_shack`	`wtf?`
`12:25.58`	`man_in_shack`	`why not in testing?`
`12:25.59`	`chealer`	`ftbfs?`
`12:26.03`	`Guerin`	`!ftbfs`
`12:26.03`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ftbfs is "fails to build from source"`
`12:26.03`	`slibs`	`chealer: oh thank you!`
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`12:26.20`	`man_in_shack`	`:\| ok`
`12:26.25`	`Guerin`	`stuff don't get into debian unless it builds without intervention`
`12:26.26`	`man_in_shack`	`is it in unstable?`
`12:26.27`	`Guerin`	`it's being worked on`
`12:26.31`	`Guerin`	`man_in_shack: search`
`12:27.36`	`chealer`	`slibs: eh, that's merely asking you to be precise`
`12:28.38`	`flamethrower`	`:( Every time I try to boot a kernel I compiled, it'll get about 1/4 to 1/2 way through booting and tell me 'Kernel Panic! <something about invalid root=/ on scsi(0,2)>`
`12:29.01`	`slibs`	`chealer: like precise in what? how can i be more precise than "how to run dvd:s with neomagic 256zx driver?"`
`12:29.21`	`man_in_shack`	`and what's with this trusted sources stuff? how do i turn it off?`
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`12:30.00`	`xoz`	`flamethrower: compile fs, scsi, or ide disk drivers static`
`12:30.08`	`chealer`	`slibs: you didn't ask that question. if you do, you'll be told to une a DVD player`
`12:30.15`	`chealer`	`s/une/use`
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`12:31.52`	`slibs`	`chealer: dvd player like what, i've tryed with xine, mplayer and vlc, vlc was the onlyone which could even play the dvd in softwaremode with vesa drivers`
`12:32.14`	`andgr167`	`anyone have any experience with postfix and clamav?`
`12:32.38`	`chealer`	`slibs: like xine and vlc`
`12:32.57`	`slibs`	`chealer: but i just told you that i use them`
`12:33.30`	`chealer`	`slibs: so what's wrong?`
`12:34.43`	`slibs`	`chealer: they won't play at all, the videoscreen in xine is all blue, and when i try to open dvd it says that it can't play it, if i try that in vlc, it resizes the screen to dvd-resolution and then it quits suddenly, and mplayer just crashes`
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`12:35.40`	`chealer`	`slibs: xine just says that "it can't play it"? isn't there a potentially useful error message?`
`12:35.45`	`amorphix`	`anyone use Valknut?`
`12:36.07`	`chealer`	`slibs: does vlc segfault or what?`
`12:36.20`	`slibs`	`chealer: it says that probably the source can't be read`
`12:36.55`	`slibs`	`chealer: what does segfault mean?, vlc just disapears after the videoscreen goes in dvd resolution`
`12:37.16`	`amorphix`	`anyone?`
`12:37.19`	`chealer`	`slibs: a segfault is a kind of crash`
`12:37.34`	`chealer`	`!anyone`
`12:37.34`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`12:37.58`	`slibs`	`chealer: maybe if i run it from the terminal it says something when it crashes, just a sec`
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`12:38.11`	`chealer`	`slibs: does xine logs show something more useful?`
`12:38.18`	`chealer`	`slibs: yes, that's a good idea`
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`12:39.29`	`gaasfet`	`Quest: K3b is no longer in my repositories???`
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`12:39.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`im copying the data (recovering) from a bad hard disk... i have errors reading a part... creating a tar of the dir... how to i can look what files are afected ?`
`12:39.38`	`chema_`	`I have a PDC with Windows 2000 and a lot of problems, my question is, Is a simulated PDC with samba stable and better solution than a original PDC with Windows 2003? Thanks`
`12:39.52`	`Guerin`	`chema_: #samba`
`12:39.56`	`chema_`	`ok`
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`12:40.08`	`Guerin`	`best option is to eschew windows altogether`
`12:40.13`	`chema_`	`#Samba not very parcial`
`12:40.14`	`slibs`	`chealer: is there a some place where i could paste the logs?`
`12:40.24`	`Guerin`	`but you either know that or aren't willing or able to accept it`
`12:40.46`	`chealer`	`!tell slibs about paster`
`12:41.38`	`chema_`	`Thanks`
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`12:44.00`	`slibs`	`chealer: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1119`
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`12:45.44`	`chealer`	`slibs: I don't know if "libdvdnav: RANDOM or SHUFFLE titles are NOT handled yet." is the critical problem`
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`12:47.28`	`chealer`	`slibs: you can google that or the error after`
`12:47.38`	`chealer`	`it looks like a libdvdread3 bug`
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`12:48.04`	`chealer`	`which never fix, so I'd try with another DVD if I was you`
`12:48.58`	`chealer`	`but I don't think the libdvdread3 bug explains your vlc crash`
`12:49.18`	`chealer`	`(I'm not saying that vlc never crashes)`
`12:49.18`	`flamethrower`	`sigh Does it usually take ~10+ minutes to compile a kernel?`
`12:49.39`	`chealer`	`flamethrower: quite possibly. it takes over half a day on some machines`
`12:49.59`	`brosioz`	`how can i create an iso from data on my dvd ?`
`12:50.01`	`flamethrower`	`Wow. The thought of that makes me appreciate my Athlon64 3500+`
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`12:50.38`	`flamethrower`	`:D The new FX is gonna be dual core and I'm gonna be getting one!!`
`12:50.52`	`caphuso`	`probably won't compile much faster`
`12:50.59`	`flamethrower`	`:D Yes, it will.`
`12:51.13`	`caphuso`	`well, ok, so it's 9+ minutes`
`12:51.16`	`flamethrower`	`~3ghz Dual Core vs 2.2ghz Single Core`
`12:51.17`	`at0m\|c`	`it cant split a singlew process over different cpu's`
`12:51.21`	`flamethrower`	`I know.`
`12:51.29`	`chealer`	`!create cd image`
`12:51.29`	`dpkg`	`create cd image is, like, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=2048`
`12:51.36`	`flamethrower`	`However, my doing other things like talking on IRC won't slow it down nearly as much thx to the dual core.`
`12:51.38`	`caphuso`	`and disk i/o doesn't increase by hyped CPUs`
`12:51.44`	`flamethrower`	`I know.`
`12:51.54`	`caphuso`	`flamethrower: talking on IRC doesn't slow down kernel compilations at all`
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`12:52.11`	`flamethrower`	`:/ I'm too used to windows, wehre everything slows down everything else.`
`12:52.12`	`brosioz`	`bs=2048 stand for ?`
`12:52.13`	`nksen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:52.22`	`chealer`	`brosioz: no idea. man dd`
`12:52.25`	`at0m\|c`	`blocksize`
`12:52.28`	`flamethrower`	`I'm guessing kernel compilations have high priority or something to that extent?`
`12:52.28`	`idan_`	`somebody knows the website that dose things like this: http://www.netkings.co.il/egotrip/image_album_big.php?id=6550&p=11 ? i already searched google all day, please help me... thanks`
`12:52.48`	`flamethrower`	`... uses php?`
`12:53.00`	`chealer`	`flamethrower: why?`
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`12:53.34`	`flamethrower`	`If other tasks do not slow it down, its task would have to have higher cpu priority then other tasks, such as KVIrc or aMSN.`
`12:53.37`	`at0m\|c`	`flamethrower, i'd put it on low priority, so i can continue w the rest`
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`12:53.54`	`flamethrower`	`yay, it finished, 16 minutes.`
`12:53.55`	`doleyb`	`flamethrower: irc clients use virtually 0% cpu.`
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`12:54.05`	`SuperSox`	`idan_: I'm not sure what you are using?`
`12:54.06`	`flamethrower`	`Tell that to my old celeron rig :/`
`12:54.11`	`SuperSox`	`idan_: I'm not sure what you are meaning?`
`12:54.23`	`Guerin`	`the main point is that kernel builds should burn as much cpu as is available, while most other tasts require only small amounts of time with the cpu`
`12:54.39`	`chealer`	`flamethrower: caphuso didn't say that no tasks could slow it down. IRC clients typically use about 0 CPU`
`12:54.41`	`doleyb`	`flamethrower: on your old celeron, it would take 3 hrs to compile, or 3:00:01 if you had irc running. no detectable difference`
`12:54.42`	`idan_`	`SuperSox: this is a website that you can select a girl or a boy, and then write up a text and it will display it on the main sign that she\he holding`
`12:54.53`	`flamethrower`	`shudder I hate that box.`
`12:54.59`	`flamethrower`	`Thx guerin.`
`12:55.14`	`flamethrower`	`It surprises the hell out of me how much more efficient things run on *nix than windows.`
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`12:55.18`	`SuperSox`	`idan_: ahhh, if I remember correctly that makes use of some php libraries... you'll probably have to learn php to do something like that`
`12:55.22`	`caphuso`	`another main point is that the kernel compilation process leaves plenty of free CPU`
`12:55.37`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`12:55.39`	`amorphix`	`anyone use Valknut?`
`12:55.40`	`numer`	`does anyone know how to list all installed files under debian`
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`12:55.46`	`flamethrower`	`Alrighty, caphuso.`
`12:55.49`	`caphuso`	`numer: find /`
`12:55.54`	`numer`	`does anyone know how to list all installed packages under debian`
`12:55.56`	`numer`	`;-)`
`12:55.58`	`idan_`	`SuperSox: i know how to do that, but i need the website it self that dose it, lot of people know it`
`12:55.58`	`caphuso`	`numer: dpkg -l`
`12:55.58`	`numer`	`sorry`
`12:55.59`	`amorphix`	`dpkg`
`12:55.59`	`brosioz`	`SSE2 are on pentium 3 ?`
`12:56.03`	`jan_`	`numer: dpkg -l`
`12:56.11`	`numer`	`ok`
`12:56.17`	`mjk64`	`Is it right that the installation of the task "Desktop" with "linux26" takes much more space (over 1 GB) than with "expert26" (only 0.5 GB)? Just happened to me, and I wonder if I've done anything wrong, but can't see where.`
`12:56.17`	`amorphix`	`I'm looking for Valknut users`
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`12:56.27`	`amorphix`	`can anyone recommend P2P soft?`
`12:56.29`	`jan_`	`numer: and to see all installed files from a package do dpkg -L $package`
`12:56.37`	`slibs`	`chealer: it does that with every dvd i've tryed`
`12:56.45`	`flamethrower`	`Is there really SSE2 on P3?`
`12:56.53`	`jan_`	`flamethrower: cat /prc/cpuinfo`
`12:56.58`	`amorphix`	`is there an easy to use P2p program for Debian?`
`12:56.59`	`jan_`	`*proc`
`12:57.01`	`flamethrower`	`I'm on a K8, Jan.`
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`12:57.09`	`woodefec`	`amorphix: pyslsk`
`12:57.15`	`amorphix`	`woodefec: thanks`
`12:57.18`	`jan_`	`flamethrower: then you'll have to look it up on the intel site :-)`
`12:57.29`	`woodefec`	`amorphix: and apollon, good for kde`
`12:57.45`	`Nirga1`	`amorphix: amule`
`12:57.46`	`woodefec`	`i dunno if there are builds for debian but u can always compile`
`12:57.50`	`SuperSox`	`idan_: sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean by 'does it'`
`12:58.10`	`amorphix`	`cool`
`12:58.13`	`SuperSox`	`idan_: if it's a service - I haven't come accross it, sorry`
`12:58.20`	`flamethrower`	`Heh. I'll pass then. If my 2.7ghz celeron with a friggen 27x multiplier is any sign of what the P3 has, then it is missing everything, as CPUz showed MMX, 3dNow!, and SSE. Originals of MMX and 3dNow.`
`12:58.21`	`chealer`	`slibs: I don't know. if you get that error with several DVD players (you could also try ogle or okle), check libdvdread3 bugs and /var/log/messages`
`12:58.59`	`flamethrower`	`Ok, time for the moment of truth, brb...`
`12:59.03`	`slibs`	`chealer: okay thanks for your help this far`
`12:59.18`	`woodefec`	`amorphix: and azureus i heard isnt bad for torrents`
`12:59.19`	`SuperSox`	`hmm, isn't it unversally accepted that celerons are garbage anyway? :P`
`13:00.11`	`at0m\|c`	`woodefec, any console slsk client around?`
`13:00.30`	`woodefec`	`at0m\|c: mucous, great stuff`
`13:00.30`	`slibs`	`amorphix: dc limeware and amule`
`13:00.33`	`at0m\|c`	`would love to run it on this server w/o X`
`13:00.36`	`amorphix`	`i hope I can get at least one to work`
`13:00.39`	`at0m\|c`	`excellent`
`13:00.44`	`amorphix`	`I had no luck with dc/dc++/valknut`
`13:00.52`	`woodefec`	`amorphix: why?`
`13:01.00`	`woodefec`	`i use it on suse`
`13:01.10`	`slibs`	`luck isn't enought for them, you need skillz`
`13:01.35`	`amorphix`	`dc was just a none-starter, way too complicated to even setup... I managed to get Valknut up and running and could join hubs and search, but downloads wont work at all. keeps saying no slots available`
`13:01.41`	`woodefec`	`at0m\|c : it is a ncurse client, but richest in features among all`
`13:01.55`	`at0m\|c`	`woodefec, thanks :))`
`13:02.12`	`at0m\|c`	`sounds like just what i was lookin for`
`13:02.25`	`woodefec`	`amorphix: so u took files from people havin no free slots`
`13:03.05`	`amorphix`	`no way, I got someone to come onto DC with 2 slots free and my client still reported no slots available`
`13:03.19`	`woodefec`	`maybe firewall.`
`13:03.30`	`woodefec`	`was port 9176 open?`
`13:03.35`	`woodefec`	`on yer fw?`
`13:03.42`	`amorphix`	`I suspected firewall too, I opened a port for my Active Mode Valknut but no luck still`
`13:03.59`	`amorphix`	`no, I set my port to 10000, do I need to open 9176 too?`
`13:04.03`	`Quest`	`13:38 < gaasfet> Quest: K3b is no longer in my repositories???`
`13:04.05`	`Quest`	`??`
`13:04.11`	`woodefec`	`amorphix: dunno`
`13:04.20`	`amorphix`	`maybe I should change back to the default port`
`13:04.26`	`woodefec`	`maybe`
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`13:04.40`	`Nirga1`	`mule shows 12M users and 1.1G files here :)`
`13:04.42`	`woodefec`	`play around, valknut does a good job`
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`13:06.08`	`amorphix`	`only 1.1G?`
`13:06.34`	`Nirga1`	`number of files`
`13:06.41`	`amorphix`	`oh i see!`
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`13:07.11`	`Ockie`	`Hi all.`
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`13:07.42`	`RelAj0`	`how can i see a pc mac address by its ip`
`13:07.48`	`Ockie`	`i just started programming in C... does someone know the command to "clear" my screen? is it system("clear") or something like that?`
`13:08.00`	`Guerin`	`Ockie: #c`
`13:08.04`	`Nirga1`	`RelAj: arp`
`13:08.23`	`Ockie`	`Guerin: ok, oops... true :)`
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`13:11.03`	`lilalinux`	`hey guys`
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`13:11.37`	`lilalinux`	`I want to compile a source package with debugging symbols. How do I do that with debuild?`
`13:11.57`	`Guerin`	`lilalinux: first you read the documentation`
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`13:13.33`	`Stubbs_`	`I was trying to recompile my kernel, and did it wrong, now lilo.conf doesnt work properly and i cant boot at all, getting the message 'No setup signature found . . .' , i know how to fix it but can anyone tell me how i can get a prompt up?`
`13:14.08`	`jm_`	`interrupt lilo`
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`13:15.26`	`iskywalker`	`well, someone which uses gmp?`
`13:15.36`	`iskywalker`	`i dont know which package i should install`
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`13:18.02`	`Stubbs_`	`jm_:ok it turns out i dont know how to fix it, i hashed out the correct config for lilo and just left the bad one, any help?`
`13:19.30`	`Guerin`	`iskywalker: wth is gmp?`
`13:19.33`	`jm_`	`Stubbs_: boot with a rescue medium, re-run lilo`
`13:19.43`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`anyone here use the Linux LVM?`
`13:19.52`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`is there a best practices guide out there?`
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`13:20.36`	`lilalinux`	`Guerin: do you have a link?`
`13:20.47`	`Guerin`	`Led_Zeppelin: the universal best practice guide: if you don't know what you're fucking with, don't fuck with it.`
`13:20.47`	`Guerin`	`Led_Zeppelin: or the succinct and cryptic version: fuck not with what thou knowest not`
`13:21.20`	`Guerin`	`lilalinux: http://thisbestpracticeguideexistedbeforethewww.com`
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`13:22.38`	`lilalinux`	`sigh`
`13:22.44`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`Guerin: I will take both advice...got to learn it :-)`
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`13:22.58`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`Guerin: do you partition your hdisk first? or just use raw disk`
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`13:23.19`	`Guerin`	`Led_Zeppelin: if there isn't a guide, you might just need to disregard the universal guide and make one.`
`13:23.27`	`iskywalker`	`Guerin: it is gnu multiple precision library`
`13:23.36`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`Guerin: LOL yeah...`
`13:23.41`	`Guerin`	`Led_Zeppelin: after all, all the best things are the result of people going "fuck it, I'll try it anyway"`
`13:23.49`	`Guerin`	`iskywalker: sorry, never heard of it.`
`13:24.02`	`iskywalker`	`for number bigger than 64 bits`
`13:24.17`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`iskywalker: what do you need?`
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`13:24.50`	`iskywalker`	`multiplication and division with 512 bytes number`
`13:24.59`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`iskywalker: use bc`
`13:25.03`	`iskywalker`	`haha`
`13:25.07`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`13:25.13`	`Guerin`	`even I know that won't work`
`13:25.23`	`jm_`	`iskywalker: libgmp3`
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`13:26.08`	`iskywalker`	`jm_ why not libgmp3c2 ?`
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`13:26.45`	`jm_`	`iskywalker: because that's not in stable`
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`13:29.24`	`xaureus`	`hello. I encounter e problem while pinging yahoo/google bla bla...can i paste it in #flood?`
`13:30.40`	`azeem`	`!paster`
`13:30.41`	`dpkg`	`Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.`
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`13:31.06`	`azeem`	`xaureus: ^^, using channels.d.n/paste might be better, more people might watch`
`13:31.30`	`nvz`	`its a good thought, but I for one usually prefer #flood`
`13:31.41`	`nvz`	`I sit in #flood, I dont always keep a web browser open`
`13:32.00`	`azeem`	`both work`
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`13:32.29`	`xaureus`	`and i see another problem with ip_conntrack or something...`
`13:32.32`	`Guerin`	`i'm the opposite`
`13:32.42`	`Guerin`	`i always have a web browser, but never #flood`
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`13:34.21`	`Stubbs_`	`jm: any idea where i can get a rescue medium from`
`13:34.34`	`xaureus`	`could someone please check what i've pasted in #flood? :)`
`13:34.50`	`xaureus`	`or i shoud paste it either in the paste bot`
`13:35.49`	`jm_`	`Stubbs_: debian installation media will do, or knoppix or tomsrtbt or ...`
`13:35.56`	`Guerin`	`Stubbs_: google the ultimate bootcd`
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`13:36.59`	`nvz`	`its wild how we've gone from passing around phone numbers, to website addresses, to google keywords`
`13:37.07`	`loca\|host`	`how to reboot debian and letting it not to mount a secondary hard disk that i have put in the /etc/fstab`
`13:37.15`	`jm_`	`heh`
`13:37.15`	`loca\|host`	`cause the hd doesnt exist now`
`13:37.25`	`loca\|host`	`and it fails when it try to mount that disk`
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`13:37.42`	`nvz`	`in the future the URL will be deprecated.. your web browser will just automatically load google if its not directly integrate`
`13:37.42`	`jm_`	`it should just print an error and continue, unless it was something important on it`
`13:38.04`	`loca\|host`	`no i doesnt work`
`13:38.24`	`loca\|host`	`how to boot at safe mode .. so i can get root shell and edit the /etc/fstab`
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`13:39.36`	`amorphix`	`whats the command to clear apt package sources?`
`13:40.13`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: Add "S" as boot parameter`
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`13:40.27`	`xaureus`	`amorphix: apt-get clean`
`13:40.36`	`amorphix`	`thats the fella, thanks xaureus`
`13:40.49`	`xaureus`	`no problem amorphix :)`
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`13:41.30`	`s0n1`	`hi`
`13:41.34`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: Or "single"`
`13:41.35`	`s0n1`	`someone see this error ?`
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`13:41.36`	`s0n1`	`named[11796]: unable to convert errno to isc_result: 14: Bad address`
`13:41.46`	`s0n1`	`in bind9 + kernel 2.6.14`
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`13:43.17`	`jm_`	`s0n1: yes`
`13:44.19`	`s0n1`	`jm_ : why i resolve this problem ?`
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`13:45.00`	`jm_`	`s0n1: never heard of google?`
`13:45.02`	`sewi`	`I have to networkcards in my PC, the PC is connected to the internet to one of them, but what if I connect another cable to the other networkcard since I have two sockets, should it work?`
`13:45.18`	`sewi`	`s/to/two`
`13:45.50`	`row`	`how come a lot of kernel sources for the images are not located in debian archives, or do I just need to do apt-get source kernel-inage-****?`
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`13:46.26`	`stew`	`row: what kernel? what version of debian?`
`13:46.33`	`s0n1`	`kernel 2.6.14`
`13:46.46`	`stew`	`linux-image-2.6.14 should be in the archive`
`13:46.49`	`row`	`stew: testing and I wanted 2.6.8.1`
`13:47.01`	`stew`	`row: 2.6.8 was removed from testing`
`13:47.10`	`row`	`stew: how come?`
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`13:47.16`	`s0n1`	`jm_: yeap.. i look in google, but don't have soluction`
`13:47.21`	`stew`	`becuase they are up to 2.6.12 in testing now`
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`13:47.47`	`row`	`stew: I could not locate it on snapshot.debian.net, wanted to apply some QoS patches to the kernel you see, patches are for 2.6.8.1`
`13:47.48`	`stew`	`row: you need to move to 2.6.12`
`13:47.50`	`amorphix`	`amule rocks!!`
`13:48.24`	`loca\|host`	`mjk64, i have put the bottable install cd, may i put S ?`
`13:48.45`	`stew`	`row: and there are no 2.6.12 patches? and whatever it is isn't in the mainline kernel yet?`
`13:49.23`	`loca\|host`	`how to boot in rescue mode ?`
`13:49.33`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: I cannot test now, but either "single" or "S" or "1" should work. Just append one of these to the boot prompt. For example: expert26 single`
`13:49.44`	`row`	`stew: it seems that way but to be honest I am not sure, QoS is not the most well documented subject :/`
`13:49.47`	`s0n1`	`ptm : bind + NPTL ..`
`13:50.00`	`s0n1`	`for resolv this problem..`
`13:50.38`	`jm_`	`s0n1: that can't be`
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`13:50.57`	`stew`	`row: you could use the sources from woody, then`
`13:51.17`	`row`	`stew: oh cool.`
`13:52.03`	`loca\|host`	`mjk64 i have choosen : run shell`
`13:52.04`	`stew`	`row: but a kernel patch that hasn't been updated for any kernels that have come out since 2.6.8.1 (what is that, almost a year?) sounds suspect`
`13:52.18`	`jm_`	`s0n1: http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2005-10-30-16-12_gremlins_bind`
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`13:52.25`	`loca\|host`	`but i dont know where it has mounted my filesystem so i can get to /etc/fstab`
`13:52.35`	`jm_`	`s0n1: time to use 2.6.14.2`
`13:52.40`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: Type "mount"`
`13:52.43`	`jm_`	`Fix zero-size datagram reception changelog entry`
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`13:53.36`	`row`	`stew: kernel-source-2.6.8 would 2.6.8.1 patches work on that you recon?`
`13:53.48`	`sewi`	`did you have any problems with kernel 2.6.14.2?`
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`13:54.02`	`stew`	`row: woody's 2.6.8 is 2.6.8.1`
`13:54.10`	`stew`	`row: are you after conmark?`
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`13:54.26`	`loca\|host`	`mhk64 i havent my fs loaded`
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`13:54.46`	`loca\|host`	`and there's no hard disks in my /dev`
`13:54.49`	`sah_lee`	`hello everyone`
`13:55.11`	`sah_lee`	`I have a problem here`
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`13:55.19`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: Oh? Oh ... Do you know your root device?`
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`13:55.27`	`mikmu`	`Hey there, I was wondering if anyone know of a IMAP->POP3 proxy. I have several users with huge IMAP mailboxes, but that need access to only their new, unread messages through their treos. I have snappermail setup in imap mode, but polling for new messages generates too much traffic over GPRS, costing us a fortune. I was wondering if there was any sort of pop3 proxy that would just download the new messages from imap and deliver them`
`13:55.35`	`mikmu`	`Even in pop3 mode, downloading new messages, it generates alot of traffic, polling the 1000+ message mailboxes`
`13:55.38`	`loca\|host`	`yes`
`13:55.42`	`loca\|host`	`/dev/hdd`
`13:55.48`	`stew`	`row: id be willing to bet whatever patch you can find for 2.6.12 is actually already included in 2.6.12`
`13:55.53`	`loca\|host`	`how can i rescue boot my DEBIAN !`
`13:55.55`	`row`	`stew: want to use jdg QoS scripts to start then also use l7-filter to mark packets once I have jdg working`
`13:55.59`	`loca\|host`	`am in trouble`
`13:56.01`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: But there is no /dev/hdd?`
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`13:56.18`	`mjk64`	`loca\|host: And also no err ... /dev/ide/whatever/.../hdd?`
`13:56.39`	`loca\|host`	`wait`
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`13:57.33`	`row`	`stew: I want to install http://www.digriz.org.uk/jdg-qos-script/ then once that works install http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ to classify packets/traffic`
`13:58.25`	`sah_lee`	`Anyone familiar with Framebuffer? I can't see anything under the console when using the kernel I compiled myself.`
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`14:00.22`	`sah_lee`	`I can't see anything under the console when using the kernel I compiled myself.`
`14:00.49`	`sah_lee`	`Can anyone please tell me why I can't see anything under the console when using the kernel I compiled myself? Thank you.`
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`14:01.13`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`14:01.22`	`amorphix`	`I think I broke my iptables :-/`
`14:02.00`	`sah_lee`	`Can anyone please tell me why I can't see anything under the console when using the kernel I compiled myself? Thank you.`
`14:02.03`	`amorphix`	`I added an alias for iptables to do 'iptables -L', then deleted it earlier..but now whenever I use iptables command, I get:`
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`14:02.08`	`amorphix`	`iptables v1.3.3: Can't use -A with -L`
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`14:02.43`	`amorphix`	`i have done a source update on aliases table, but no difference`
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`14:02.57`	`row`	`stew: 01_1_linux-2.6.8-imq-2.diff, 01_2_imq-nat.diff, 01_3_imq-compile-fix.diff, 02_1_esfq-2.6.patch, 02_2_esfq-fixes.diff, 03_1_linux-2.6.8.1-wrr.diff, 03_2_wrr-fixes.diff, 04_linux-2.6.8.1-CONNMARK.diff those are the patches I need, how could I find out if they are all in 2.6.12?`
`14:03.02`	`amorphix`	`any cluuuuues?`
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`14:04.16`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`14:04.27`	`diana_`	`I type 4 commands to get my wireless to get setup( http://pastebin.com/434319 )...and I have /etc/network/interfaces to use ath0...but it won't work until I type those 4 commands on pastebin.com ... how can I have it setup so it automatically does those commands when I boot debian?`
`14:04.36`	`stew`	`row: look at the diffs and see what CONFIG_ options they add to .config, and see which of those options appear in 2.6.12's config`
`14:04.57`	`sah_lee`	`it (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))`
`14:04.58`	`sah_lee`	`diana_ I type 4 commands to get my wireless to get setup( http://pastebin.com/434319 )...and I have /etc/network/interfaces to use ath0...but it won't work until I type those 4 commands on pastebin.com ... how can I have it setup so it automatically does those commands when I boot debian?`
`14:05.04`	`loca\|host`	`ok let's reformulate the problem : i have put a new disk mount point in my /etc/fstab with 'check forced' : when booting it stops on the device mounting and say that there's bad blocks and it should be checked but everyting get freezed at that moement !no keyboard access to put the root password, everything is freezed !`
`14:05.14`	`sah_lee`	`Can anyone please tell me why I can't see anything under the console when using the kernel I compiled myself? Thank you.`
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`14:05.40`	`amorphix`	`doesnt seem to be anyone about`
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`14:06.09`	`amorphix`	`hi`
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`14:06.34`	`amorphix`	`the heavyweights are starting to arrive, abrotman is here`
`14:06.42`	`amorphix`	`should get some support now`
`14:06.53`	`abrotman`	`what?! ... i don't weigh that much`
`14:06.57`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`14:07.00`	`petemc`	`diana_: man interfaces, look at pre-up`
`14:07.01`	`stew`	`row: the patches on l7-filter.sf.net are for 2.6.14`
`14:07.05`	`sah_lee`	`doesnt seem to be anyone about`
`14:07.14`	`sah_lee`	`Can anyone please tell me why I can't see anything under the console when using the kernel I compiled myself? Thank you.`
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`14:07.35`	`amorphix`	`I added an alias for iptables to do 'iptables -L', then deleted it earlier..but now whenever I use iptables command, I get:`
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`14:07.40`	`stew`	`sah_lee: try booting and appending vga=normal as a kernel parameter`
`14:07.40`	`amorphix`	`iptables v1.3.3: Can't use -A with -L`
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`14:07.52`	`amorphix`	`i have done a source update on aliases table, but no difference...any ideas?`
`14:08.11`	`stew`	`sah_lee: my guess is that your bootloader is specifying a frambuffer resolution to the kernel that has no framebuffer support`
`14:08.24`	`amorphix`	`i have screeeeeewed up my aliases somehow`
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`14:08.40`	`amorphix`	`damn its cold isnt it? -6 here`
`14:08.40`	`stew`	`abrotman: i think amorphix just called you fat`
`14:08.40`	`lestest`	`hi there .. I have problems with the tftp server in.tftpd[7510]: cannot set groups for user nobody`
`14:08.46`	`abrotman`	`that's ok`
`14:08.53`	`lestest`	`the nobody user group is nobody`
`14:09.01`	`abrotman`	`i must weigh in at like .. 160lbs ? :)`
`14:09.01`	`amorphix`	`heavy with knowledge ;P`
`14:09.10`	`lestest`	`but nobody is not present in the /etc/group`
`14:09.12`	`stew`	`lestest: no its nogroup`
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`14:09.30`	`stew`	`lestest: unless you changed something the nobody group is nogroup`
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`14:09.42`	`lestest`	`stew: nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh`
`14:10.01`	`amorphix`	`i need to say something, and it rhymes with 'clucking bell'`
`14:10.12`	`lestest`	`stew: you are right`
`14:10.17`	`amorphix`	`i have screwed up my aliases and cant use the iptables command :-(`
`14:10.26`	`lestest`	`so why tftp is in error?`
`14:10.36`	`sewi`	`how to turn off the beep sound in xterm when I press TAB completing files/diretcories names?`
`14:10.50`	`petemc`	`!bell`
`14:10.50`	`dpkg`	`well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc`
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`14:11.17`	`stew`	`amorphix: what aliases?`
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`14:11.34`	`amorphix`	`stew: the ones in ~/.bashrc`
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`14:11.53`	`stew`	`amorphix: you can "unalias alias" or use a direct path`
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`14:12.02`	`mikygee`	`hello`
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`14:12.18`	`amorphix`	`I added "alias iptables='iptables -L' earlier but then removed it and did a source`
`14:12.21`	`stew`	`amorphix: like if you normally type ls and get color becuase of alias ls='ls --color' then /bin/ls will skip the alias`
`14:12.22`	`amorphix`	`but its stuck still`
`14:12.36`	`mikygee`	`I'd like to know if it's possible to use ftp and tls with firefox`
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`14:12.37`	`amorphix`	`i dont understand how it can be stuck stew`
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`14:12.38`	`stew`	`amorphix: "unalias iptables"`
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`14:12.40`	`petemc`	`amorphix: how did you remove it?`
`14:12.41`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`14:12.57`	`amorphix`	`i just deleted it from the bashrc file and did a source on that file`
`14:12.58`	`stew`	`amorphix: unless your .bashrc contains that line sourcing it wouldn't remove the alias`
`14:13.11`	`amorphix`	`my bashrc does contain that line`
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`14:13.18`	`amorphix`	`well it did`
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`14:13.40`	`stew`	`amorphix: your .bashrc contains "unalias iptables"?`
`14:13.52`	`amorphix`	`hehe no!`
`14:13.54`	`stew`	`amorphix: if not, sourcing it would not get rid of the already existing alias`
`14:14.02`	`amorphix`	`okay understood`
`14:14.15`	`amorphix`	`i have used unalias, thanks stew`
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`14:15.33`	`sah_lee`	`stew: I am using the etch, and I installed the linux-image-2.6.12-1-686. When I boot using this kernel, I can see characters. oh, btw, I boot with vga=792. but, when I compiled my own one, with very limited modification to the .config, it just does not display anything in the console!`
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`14:16.24`	`sah_lee`	`I just noticed the system messages saying that i can't send private messages...`
`14:16.27`	`sah_lee`	`stew?`
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`14:16.43`	`stew`	`sah_lee: did you disable framebuffer in your kernel? did you try vga=normal?`
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`14:16.46`	`row`	`if I am running testing linux-image-2.6.14-1-686 should still install fine right?`
`14:16.59`	`sussudio`	`"Mozilla Firefox 1.5 RC3 Released" i'm thinking they don't know what "RC" means at slashdot.`
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`14:17.04`	`bibe`	`row : yes`
`14:17.06`	`sah_lee`	`no i didn't`
`14:17.07`	`row`	`sweet`
`14:17.14`	`amorphix`	`how do you get the rule numbers to show in iptables -L, i thought it was -n?`
`14:17.18`	`abrotman`	`sussudio: they announced the other RCs also`
`14:17.28`	`bibe`	`row : obviusly you have to 'apt-get install', not 'dpkg -i'`
`14:17.29`	`sussudio`	`abrotman: a RC is not a release`
`14:17.35`	`amorphix`	`ah`
`14:17.43`	`azeem`	`sussudio: surely you can release a release candidate?`
`14:17.44`	`amorphix`	`--line-numbers`
`14:17.49`	`abrotman`	`sussudio: it's a release .. but not a RELEASE! ..`
`14:17.53`	`amorphix`	`sorry for being lame :-/`
`14:18.39`	`azeem`	`amorphix: we won't tell nick-o-meter`
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`14:18.49`	`sah_lee`	`When I compile the kernel for the first time, it automatically used the config file of the kernel image I downloaded with aptitude (/boot/config-2.6.12-1-686). And I just changed two places in the menuconfig.`
`14:19.18`	`stew`	`sah_lee: boot with vga=normal , then run "hwinfo --framebuffer" and see if its lists 0x305 (==791 in hex)`
`14:19.37`	`stew`	`sah_lee: i'm guessing it wont becuase you disabled framebuffer`
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`14:20.03`	`sah_lee`	`one is the CPU type, I changed to 'Pentium III...' which I am currently using; the other is the writing ability on NTFS.`
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`14:20.56`	`sah_lee`	`I think these two changes seem not to affect framebuffer.`
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`14:21.19`	`liran_`	`i had my friend erase mandrake and install debian yesterday`
`14:21.19`	`stew`	`sah_lee: they certainly seem to to me. but i'm not the one staring at a blank framebuffer, you are`
`14:21.40`	`sah_lee`	`hehe`
`14:21.50`	`liran_`	`he was like "oh my god! how didn't i use debian all this time?!"`
`14:21.52`	`liran_`	`lol`
`14:22.09`	`sah_lee`	`I just did make mrprper before I open XChat...`
`14:22.12`	`sneeuwbal`	`He everybody! Is there anybody out there that wants to to talk some about heartbeat/vlan/interface problems?`
`14:22.59`	`sah_lee`	`I want to try using the /boot/config-2.6.12-1-686 without any change.`
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`14:23.53`	`amorphix`	`can someone tell me the correct syntax to delete a chain in iptables by rule number?`
`14:24.00`	`jm_`	`amorphix: man page can`
`14:24.15`	`amorphix`	`havent been able to find that out from man page jm_`
`14:24.22`	`amorphix`	`hence why im asking here`
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`14:24.24`	`jm_`	`amorphix: btw, you don't delete chains by rulenumber`
`14:24.33`	`amorphix`	`yeah can tho eh, I have done before`
`14:24.35`	`sah_lee`	`I am going to try your method`
`14:24.39`	`jm_`	`you either delete rules by rule number or you delete whole chains`
`14:24.43`	`sah_lee`	`thank you and see you later.`
`14:24.53`	`amorphix`	`thats what meant, delete a rule by number`
`14:25.02`	`jm_`	`iptables [-t table] -D chain rulenum`
`14:25.07`	`jm_`	`straight at the top of the file`
`14:25.11`	`amorphix`	`i know its iptables -D # but I dont know where the ACCEPT goes`
`14:25.16`	`amorphix`	`thanks`
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`14:25.29`	`jm_`	`amorphix: read iptables tutorial`
`14:25.33`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`14:25.41`	`abrotman`	`#iptables`
`14:25.43`	`sneeuwbal`	`the ACCEPT goes on the the end with a "-j ACCEPT"`
`14:25.47`	`outlaw84`	`how do I forec the reinstallation of a package without first removing it?`
`14:25.47`	`jm_`	`@tell abrotman -about iptables tutorial`
`14:25.56`	`unbinder`	`hello`
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`14:26.08`	`abrotman`	`jm_: i don't need it .. i can read the docs at netfilter.org just fine :)`
`14:26.11`	`jm_`	`abrotman: sorry ;)`
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`14:26.23`	`jm_`	`@tell amorphix -about iptables tutorial`
`14:26.33`	`jm_`	`I just realized I used wrong nick when you said it`
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`14:26.38`	`abrotman`	`oh ok`
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`14:26.46`	`abrotman`	`i was commenting that amorphix might want to ask #iptables`
`14:26.53`	`abrotman`	`or read at lartc.org or netfilter.org ..`
`14:26.54`	`jm_`	`that too`
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`14:27.02`	`sifi`	`I get "/dev/dsp does not exist" when I'm trying to play a mp3 file that worked yeasterday, what can cause the problem`
`14:27.03`	`azeem`	`outlaw84: you can try apt-get install --reinstall <package>`
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`14:27.14`	`lixus`	`outlaw84, man apt-get /reinstall`
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`14:27.21`	`TheCount`	`hm. anyone know if there's a recnt Niktarix out there?`
`14:27.31`	`azeem`	`TheCount: what is Niktarix?`
`14:27.34`	`TheCount`	`or a Debian powerpc netinst CD with shred on it?`
`14:27.41`	`outlaw84`	`azeem: thanks`
`14:27.42`	`TheCount`	`azeem: 'knoppix for powerpc', roughly`
`14:27.46`	`azeem`	`ah`
`14:28.12`	`sifi`	`what can cause "dev/dsp does not exist" when I'm trying to play my mp3 files`
`14:28.23`	`sussudio`	`bunnies`
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`14:28.42`	`azeem`	`sifi: do you use OSS or ALSA?`
`14:28.46`	`sifi`	`I use OSS`
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`14:29.10`	`azeem`	`maybe the modules are not loaded? Did you upgrade your kernel recently?`
`14:29.13`	`sifi`	`and thats the output plugin I use to`
`14:29.20`	`sifi`	`azeem, no`
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`14:29.40`	`azeem`	`sifi: well sorry, I am not really got at sound stuff`
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`14:29.45`	`abrotman`	`TheCount: what is shred ?`
`14:30.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 791] by debhelper`
`14:30.20`	`sifi`	`I've been installing alsaconf, libmikmod2, but I have removed then and rebooted`
`14:30.29`	`azeem`	`sifi: hrm`
`14:30.43`	`azeem`	`sifi: well, check whether the modules are loaded with lsmod, then`
`14:30.46`	`TheCount`	`abrotman: a tool do securely delete files/block devices`
`14:30.51`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`14:30.54`	`sifi`	`I'm really confused, this has never happend before`
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`14:31.14`	`azeem`	`sifi: well, installing alsaconf etc. might have caused some changes in hotplug detection etc.`
`14:31.20`	`sah_lee`	`stew?`
`14:31.29`	`stew`	`sifi: modprobe snd-pcm-oss`
`14:31.49`	`sah_lee`	`what do i check with hwinfo?`
`14:31.54`	`sifi`	`stew, modprobe: Can't locate module snd-pcm-os`
`14:32.17`	`stew`	`sah_lee: see if hwinfo --framebuffer lists 0x305 as a possible mode`
`14:32.34`	`sifi`	`stew, if I can't locate it, how do I get it?`
`14:32.51`	`stew`	`sifi: wait are you running also or oss?`
`14:32.53`	`sah_lee`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:32.57`	`sah_lee`	`you mean this?`
`14:33.02`	`sifi`	`stew, OSS`
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`14:33.24`	`stew`	`sifi: oh, then yeah you might have messed up oss by installing also, and you don't want snd-pcm-oss`
`14:33.35`	`stew`	`sifi: what sound card / driver are you using?`
`14:33.45`	`stew`	`sah_lee: and you see that with the kernel that doens't work with 791?`
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`14:34.18`	`sifi`	`stew, SoundBlaster Live 5.1, default driver from kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686`
`14:34.19`	`sah_lee`	`yes.`
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`14:34.32`	`tarzeau`	`NVIDIA SUCKS!`
`14:34.33`	`sah_lee`	`not 791, but 792.`
`14:34.38`	`sah_lee`	`does that matter?`
`14:34.55`	`stew`	`sah_lee: actually 0x317 is 781`
`14:35.06`	`stew`	`791*`
`14:35.23`	`Ries`	`[OT] Can I tell find to return me the full path instead of a relative path?`
`14:35.32`	`sah_lee`	`I have 317 too`
`14:35.45`	`unbinder`	`hello?`
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`14:35.55`	`sifi`	`stew, any suggestion?`
`14:36.04`	`unbinder`	`I'm having trouble unmounting my cdrom`
`14:36.04`	`azeem`	`unbinder: hi`
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`14:36.09`	`sah_lee`	`and 318 is showed by hwinfo too.`
`14:36.15`	`azeem`	`unbinder: what is the error message?`
`14:36.19`	`Ries`	`unbinder: properly the path is still used somewhere? Open...`
`14:36.21`	`unbinder`	`device is in use`
`14:36.24`	`stew`	`sifi: is emu10k1 module loaded?`
`14:36.29`	`unbinder`	`I'm installing ut2004`
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`14:36.56`	`azeem`	`unbinder: maybe you have a shell open with its current directory being somewhere where the CD is mounted`
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`14:37.04`	`azeem`	`unbinder: or started a program from there`
`14:37.17`	`unbinder`	`I started the installer from there`
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`14:37.24`	`WolF_HomE`	`!sldapd`
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`14:37.26`	`sifi`	`stew, emu10k1-gp 1288 0 (unused)`
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`14:37.28`	`unbinder`	`so thats my problem...`
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`14:37.37`	`sifi`	`stew, but I don't find emu10k1`
`14:37.49`	`stew`	`i dunno what -gp is`
`14:38.16`	`stew`	`sifi: actually for that card, i'd recommend alsa, /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner`
`14:38.17`	`sifi`	`stew, now it works, great`
`14:38.19`	`stew`	`ok`
`14:38.20`	`stew`	`nm`
`14:38.27`	`unbinder`	`this doesn't seem terribly clever: it is using the device it wants me to change`
`14:38.29`	`sah_lee`	`stew: I have 307, 317, and 318 listed by hwinfo.`
`14:38.40`	`sifi`	`stew, thank you`
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`14:38.57`	`sifi`	`stew, modprobe emu10k1 did it`
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`14:39.07`	`mjk64`	`I've just installed a plain Debian 3.1r0a using "expert26" (i. e. the console is using a framebuffer), and during installation, I was asked if X11 (I chose mga for my Matrox) should use some kind of kernel framebuffer interface for a few functions (video mode switch etc.), which I it to do so. But after all that, X11 won't start: http://phpfi.com/87506 - What do I have to install or configure to make X11 work?`
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`14:39.26`	`mjk64`	`Card is a Matrox Millennium PCI.`
`14:39.31`	`stew`	`sah_lee: sorry, i'm not sure what to tell you, but if vga=normal worked and using a framebuffer didn't...`
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`14:39.44`	`stew`	`sah_lee: might be time to diff the two .configs and see what else changed`
`14:39.48`	`azeem`	`mjk64: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and say no to the framebuffer question this time`
`14:39.48`	`mjk64`	`which I it to do so => which I told it to do so`
`14:40.12`	`ziupiu`	`unbinder, try eject as root`
`14:40.33`	`mjk64`	`azeem: Hm ... yes, the configure screen said that sometimes only one of the two options would work, but that the fb-option would be the better one (or "fine" or whatever).`
`14:41.02`	`azeem`	`mjk64: not using the frame buffer sounds like a good first thing to try to me`
`14:41.05`	`mjk64`	`azeem: I wanted to have an as-clean-as-possible system, so I chose the fb option ... is it due to my card?`
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`14:41.09`	`azeem`	`mjk64: it could be something else of course`
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`14:41.23`	`azeem`	`mjk64: dunno, sorry`
`14:41.24`	`mjk64`	`azeem: Oh well, I'll just resign then and choose the non-fb-option. :-}`
`14:41.39`	`azeem`	`mjk64: I don't think one is much better than the other but shrug`
`14:41.39`	`stew`	`mjk64: did you also install gnome?`
`14:41.49`	`stew`	`mjk64: tried modprobe mga ?`
`14:41.51`	`darkness`	`Hi, is there a java applet plugin so you can use the web based yahoo chat?`
`14:41.57`	`sah_lee`	`stew: ok, I see. by the way, is that config-2.6.12-1-686 the right config file for linux-image-2.6.12-1-686? I mean, is the image I compiled using this config file exactly the same with the one I download?`
`14:41.58`	`mjk64`	`stew: I have not selected any packages manually, just the task "Desktop"`
`14:41.59`	`stew`	`darkness: /msg dpkg install java`
`14:42.13`	`mjk64`	`stew: Whoa, manually loading mga? Wait ...`
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`14:42.35`	`licued`	`Heya, I'm looking for a VoIP softphone application for linux that I'm going to be intergrating into a CRM hat utilizes PHP/HTML/XML/SQL ... it also would have to support VPN type scenarios; anyone have any sudgestions? I've looked at Eyeball and Linphone, but I would like to know if there is anything else better; I specificly like Linphone because it has a CLI and that can eaisly be manipulated via PHP and intergrated seemless`
`14:42.38`	`mjk64`	`stew: Wow, wasn't loaded ... how come?`
`14:42.46`	`stew`	`mjk64: if you selected desktop i think that means you got gnome which means you got udev which means you need to load a driver to get those devices created`
`14:42.56`	`stew`	`mjk64: don't ask me, put it in /etc/modules`
`14:42.56`	`abrotman`	`licued: gizmo or skype ?`
`14:43.07`	`mjk64`	`stew: Okay, thanx! :-)`
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`14:43.16`	`licued`	`abrotman, aren't those just services?`
`14:43.17`	`stew`	`sah_lee: /boot/config-2.6.12-1-686 is the debian .config for yout 2.6.12 kernel`
`14:43.22`	`abrotman`	`!gizmo`
`14:43.22`	`dpkg`	`hmm... gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project`
`14:43.42`	`abrotman`	`licued: i'm not sure .. read a bit`
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`14:44.28`	`sah_lee`	`what does 'debian .config' mean?`
`14:44.41`	`licued`	`?`
`14:44.55`	`stew`	`sah_lee: the one created by the debian kernel team that was used to compile your 2.6.12-1-686 kernel`
`14:44.57`	`abrotman`	`licued: ?`
`14:45.05`	`stew`	`licued: there is iaxcomm as well but its iax not sip`
`14:45.16`	`abrotman`	`licued: unless i'm misunderstanding your term 'softphone' .. i think gizmo will do it .. no ?`
`14:45.16`	`licued`	`yea, we're probably going to want to use SIp`
`14:45.28`	`licued`	`abrotman , the ? was to sah_lee ;)`
`14:45.36`	`abrotman`	`oh`
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`14:45.46`	`licued`	`you're right on target`
`14:46.11`	`stew`	`happy friday`
`14:46.44`	`sah_lee`	`so if i use this config file, and the linux-source-2.6.12-1-686, the image i compiled out should be exactly the same with the one i download, right?`
`14:46.46`	`abrotman`	`happy!?`
`14:47.02`	`sah_lee`	`licued: are you talking to me?`
`14:47.13`	`stew`	`sah_lee: if you use make-kpkg it should, yes`
`14:47.23`	`licued`	`sah_lee: was ;P`
`14:47.34`	`stew`	`abrotman: all fridays are happy by default`
`14:47.53`	`abrotman`	`stew: black friday ?`
`14:48.14`	`stew`	`as long as you stay at home`
`14:48.45`	`abrotman`	`i meant the stock market day :)`
`14:48.53`	`sah_lee`	`stew: what if I use 'make && make modules_install && make install' ?`
`14:48.55`	`abrotman`	`or wait .. that wasn't a friday`
`14:48.58`	`stew`	`oh, that is a day where they overrode the defaults`
`14:49.10`	`abrotman`	`that was a monday .. doh!`
`14:49.11`	`stew`	`that was a monday or tuseday i think`
`14:49.13`	`sah_lee`	`licued: i am confused...`
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`14:49.21`	`licued`	`nm`
`14:49.22`	`licued`	`;)`
`14:49.24`	`stew`	`sah_lee: did you create an initrd?`
`14:49.24`	`licued`	`don't worry about mr`
`14:49.27`	`licued`	`me*`
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`14:49.36`	`petemc`	`sah_lee: you dont need to use &&`
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`14:49.53`	`megabit`	`Hi!!`
`14:50.05`	`lee_`	`hi!`
`14:50.21`	`sah_lee`	`yes i did, using 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-Sah 2.6.12-Sah'.`
`14:50.54`	`sah_lee`	`petemc: dont I?`
`14:50.58`	`abrotman`	`wouldn't it be easier to use make-kpkg ?`
`14:50.58`	`petemc`	`no`
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`14:51.11`	`sah_lee`	`petemc: is there any difference?`
`14:51.20`	`petemc`	`sah_lee: not really, less typing`
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`14:51.35`	`abrotman`	`petemc: no to who ?`
`14:51.36`	`sah_lee`	`petemc: :--D`
`14:51.46`	`petemc`	`abrotman: sah_lee`
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`14:51.55`	`lee_`	`when i start my i-net-connection with 'pon dsl-provider' and look at 'ifconfig -a' it says under PPP0 MTU:1492... but i set it at 1452 by using 'pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452"' from the file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider...`
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`14:52.10`	`lee_`	`i believe this could be a problem`
`14:52.17`	`sah_lee`	`well I will try again with make-kpkg.`
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`14:52.30`	`lee_`	`the speed slows down and after a while hte connection breaks`
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`14:52.53`	`lee_`	`down... anyone with a hint?`
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`14:53.04`	`sah_lee`	`stew, I never used make-kpkg. i am gonna have a try now`
`14:53.07`	`Jacobo221`	`how many days are left until k3b makes it back into testing?`
`14:53.08`	`sifi`	`lee_ set it to default, 1492`
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`14:53.21`	`lee_`	`I've already tried that`
`14:53.23`	`abrotman`	`!why is k3b not in testing`
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`14:53.25`	`sah_lee`	`lee_: hey friend, where are you from?`
`14:53.26`	`dpkg`	`k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b`
`14:53.28`	`stew`	`sah_lee: /msg dpkg kp ; /msg dpkg kp mantra ; if you are using a debian config you will want to pass it the --initrd flag`
`14:53.37`	`sifi`	`lee_ and poff -a; pon dsl-provider`
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`14:53.44`	`Jacobo221`	`thanks dpkg`
`14:53.45`	`lee_`	`and in the named file it says if there is a problem with that speed i should try '-m 1452'`
`14:53.47`	`abrotman`	`Jacobo221: based on that URL ^^ .. i'd say a bit`
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`14:54.05`	`abrotman`	`Jacobo221: many other burning programs available`
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`14:54.13`	`lee_`	`sah_lee: germany ;-)`
`14:54.23`	`sah_lee`	`stew, i don't understand...`
`14:54.30`	`stew`	`sah_lee: which part?`
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`14:54.35`	`megabit`	`I have some problem with K3b. I have TOSHIBA CDW/DVD SD-R2612 and I burning on verbatin CD-RW - 8x - 12x and it say your cdrom or your medium doesnt support this speed. And I dont know why.`
`14:54.36`	`stew`	`sah_lee: /msg dpkg... ?`
`14:54.37`	`sah_lee`	`lee_, me china.`
`14:54.43`	`megabit`	`Can you help me?`
`14:54.45`	`sifi`	`lee_ are you behind a firewall or does the box run it?`
`14:54.47`	`sah_lee`	`stew: yes`
`14:54.58`	`Jacobo221`	`abrotman: such as...? i used xcdroast for two years before accepting installing Qt... and now i'm too sued to k3b to go back to xcdroaster :S any other gui suggestion?`
`14:55.00`	`stew`	`sah_lee: dpkg is a bot, its going to /msg you...`
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`14:55.04`	`stew`	`!tell sah_lee about kp`
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`14:55.07`	`lee_`	`i got this problem since a few weeks and already tried to stop/start the connection several times`
`14:55.07`	`stew`	`!tell sah_lee about kp mantra`
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`14:55.14`	`sah_lee`	`stew: wow`
`14:55.15`	`lee_`	`no firewall`
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`14:55.24`	`abrotman`	`Jacobo221: arson ? eroaster? gnomebaker?`
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`14:55.36`	`lee_`	`sometimes the connection won't even start on boot-up`
`14:55.38`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite Award_`
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`14:55.39`	`Jacobo221`	`abrotman: thanks, i'll take a look at those :)`
`14:55.43`	`sah_lee`	`stew: haha its intresting`
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`14:56.05`	`stew`	`hmm why does kp mantra say to use gcc-3.4?`
`14:56.28`	`sifi`	`lee_ ok, then 1492 is your choice, man /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian.gz`
`14:56.49`	`Award`	`abrotman: haha`
`14:57.07`	`lee_`	`sifi: hmm, thx for the first... could it then be a problem with my isp?`
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`14:57.15`	`lee_`	`or anythiing else?`
`14:57.41`	`sifi`	`lee_ not sure, I've been running PPPoE 3 days now =)`
`14:57.43`	`lee_`	`i'e read some post about this issue, but all of them never had access to the net...`
`14:58.19`	`sifi`	`lee_ but slowdowns is often caused by the DSL provider`
`14:58.22`	`lee_`	`i have from time to time... :-(`
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`14:59.23`	`lee_`	`sifi for THREE days?!! i would be glad to stay 'on' for more than an hpour...`
`14:59.38`	`sifi`	`lee_ lol, thats really bad`
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`15:00.05`	`sifi`	`lee_ call your DSL provider and listen if they have something intresting to tell you`
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`15:00.37`	`lee_`	`sifi damn! i hate those guys! they won't stop telling me how dump i am...`
`15:01.03`	`zeeble`	`heh`
`15:01.05`	`sifi`	`lee_ then you can try the connection from another OS, windows, if the connection is stable there then the problem lays in the Linux config`
`15:01.37`	`lee_`	`sifi the same problem... let me think about this...`
`15:01.38`	`megabit`	`Please help.`
`15:01.53`	`sifi`	`lee_ the same in windows you say?`
`15:01.53`	`lee_`	`sifiyou are right: i should call 'em!`
`15:02.36`	`sifi`	`lee_ do so, msg me if the problem persist and I see if I can help you`
`15:02.37`	`zeeble`	`megabit: with what?`
`15:02.37`	`lee_`	`yep, but under win i can make the connection for the first (after booting) under linux not all thetime...`
`15:02.49`	`megabit`	`zeeble, I dont know how can I test my cdrw/dvd driver.`
`15:02.59`	`megabit`	`zeeble, Speed.`
`15:03.03`	`lee_`	`sifi thx i'll report...`
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`15:03.11`	`orange_`	`hi`
`15:03.26`	`orange_`	`do you know how i can disable the application panel on kde ?`
`15:03.30`	`megabit`	`zeeble, I have some problem with K3b. I have TOSHIBA CDW/DVD SD-R2612 and I burning on verbatin CD-RW - 8x - 12x and it say your cdrom or your medium doesnt support this speed. And I dont know why.`
`15:03.33`	`wetsand`	`has anyone ever installed DEBIAN on a server with a PERC 4e/Si Raid controller`
`15:03.40`	`wetsand`	`i cant get it to see my drivers`
`15:03.42`	`wetsand`	`drives`
`15:04.20`	`zeeble`	`megabit: just type cdrecord -scanbus in a console window`
`15:05.03`	`orange_`	`zeeble, any clue about how to disable the app panel?`
`15:05.26`	`zeeble`	`orange_: what app panel? where? What window manager or desktop environment?`
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`15:05.58`	`orange_`	`the application panel on kde`
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`15:06.41`	`zeeble`	`orange_: sorry, i dont use KDE.. just wait for sometime for an answer, or try #debian-kde`
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`15:07.01`	`orange_`	`#debian-kde? ok thanks a lot :)`
`15:07.33`	`The_Ball`	`im trying to make a image with dd_resuce from a disk with bad blcks, the problem is it's very slow, can I use the -B option to make dd_rescue skip larger parts of the disk when it get's a IO error, or will this make dd_rescue try the -B block size 512bytes past the previous error?`
`15:07.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`how i recover my grub in MBR if my /boot is from another partition ? (ls partition = files, no /boot dir)`
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`15:08.14`	`megabit`	`zeeble, I dont understand it. Can i write it to you?`
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`15:08.44`	`stew`	`Thanatermesis: if you have boot on another partition then the grub files need to go in /boot/boot/grub not /boot/grub ; read the docs in /usr/share/doc/grub ; and /msg dpkg fixmbr`
`15:08.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`The_Ball, im recovering also a bad hard disk... i have used simple tar... he give's me a message about the files of can't posible to copy, replacing it with zero's, after.. i only delete this files ;)`
`15:08.52`	`wetsand`	`has anyone ever installed DEBIAN on a server with a PERC 4e/Si Raid controller. My installer cant find any drives`
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`15:09.10`	`zeeble`	`megabit: you open a console. and there type "cdrecord -scanbus"`
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`15:09.32`	`zeeble`	`a console, terminal, xterm, gnome-terminal, konsole.. any of the ones on the left.`
`15:09.57`	`petemc`	`wetsand: google for debian dell, theres a 5 meg iso has all you need`
`15:10.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`hummm... chroot... i mount the /boot partition IN the / partition, in the boot directorty and looks to work, yes stew ?`
`15:10.05`	`fluppet`	`hey guys... my problem: when I log on, two terminal windows open... any suggestions?`
`15:10.12`	`The_Ball`	`Thanatermesis, this is a ntfs partition and just trying to mount it and ls will hang it`
`15:10.16`	`demon`	`anyone know what the package is that lets you generate empty placeholder .debs?`
`15:10.24`	`azeem`	`fluppet: where do you logon? To KDE or GNOME?`
`15:10.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`ouch... ntfs`
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`15:10.31`	`petemc`	`demon: equivs, if i understand you correctly`
`15:10.32`	`fluppet`	`azeem: KDE`
`15:10.50`	`megabit`	`zeeble, Yes but it say somethink.`
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`15:10.52`	`azeem`	`so two terminal windows open, and you do not want that?`
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`15:11.01`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: try building a kernel that has support for the perl 4e/si... it needs the new megaraid controller`
`15:11.06`	`zeeble`	`megabit: go ahead and message it to me.`
`15:11.25`	`fluppet`	`azeem: well... I don't need the second... and it just means that all my login scripts are run twice... I also have two X-Clocks...`
`15:11.34`	`azeem`	`oh`
`15:11.44`	`azeem`	`fluppet: sorry, don't know about that (not using KDE)`
`15:11.45`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: i had the same problem installing on a new dell poweredge 1850... but redhat on it. same problem, had to give it the driver`
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`15:11.56`	`megabit`	`zeeble, What?`
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`15:12.25`	`zeeble`	`megabit: the output that you got when you ran cdrecord -scanbus.. paste it to me in a /msg`
`15:12.48`	`fluppet`	`azeem: So you think it's something to do with KDE? I was thinking that there is a small possibility that it's because I have some commands in .login, and some in .cshrc...`
`15:13.07`	`azeem`	`fluppet: you have stuff about X clocks in login?`
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`15:13.19`	`wetsand`	`zeeble, thats awesome info`
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`15:13.23`	`azeem`	`then it could be something else, I assumed the KDE session stuff is going wrong somehow`
`15:13.51`	`drd`	`how can i tell which version of debian is installed on my host?`
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`15:14.08`	`bbrazil`	`drd: cat /etc/debian_version`
`15:14.10`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: well, you have to download the megaraid driver from dell's ftp, and insmod it... to the installer. or you can build a new kernel with the module built in and rebuild a netinstall iso.`
`15:14.13`	`megabit`	`zeeble, /msg - I cant here writelong output, can I?`
`15:14.16`	`drd`	`bbrazil: thanks :)`
`15:14.16`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: lots of effort :\`
`15:14.18`	`petemc`	`zeeble: no`
`15:14.24`	`fluppet`	`azeem: but before I had written any commands to my login scripts, I had two X-Clocks... and no, nothing about X-Clocks in my own login script, but the login script links to a default script that is run... that's run by the sys admin, but I don't think the prob is in that because other people don't have the problem, well some have two X-Clocks sometimes... I don't know exactly...`
`15:14.30`	`zeeble`	`petemc: er, what?`
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`15:14.50`	`petemc`	`zeeble: its built into the kernel, you dont need to get it from dell`
`15:14.51`	`azeem`	`fluppet: hrm, looks like a non-standard setup then, best to ask your admin`
`15:15.06`	`petemc`	`wetsand: as i said, theres a 5 meg iso that has everything you need`
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`15:15.11`	`zeeble`	`petemc: well, the controller that i had did'nt take the megaraid driver from the kernel.`
`15:15.20`	`fluppet`	`azeem - yeah... I asked them before about the X-clocks and they said they'd look into it... but no change :(`
`15:15.29`	`zeeble`	`atleast it did'nt recognise the RAID controller.`
`15:15.33`	`wetsand`	`zeeble, petemc , thanks looking now for info on the ISO`
`15:15.34`	`petemc`	`zeeble: was this < 2.6.12 ?`
`15:15.39`	`fluppet`	`okay, well thanks anyway guys :)`
`15:15.49`	`zeeble`	`petemc: yeah, i think so. a few months ago.`
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`15:15.55`	`petemc`	`zeeble: as the name got changed to megaraid-mbox`
`15:16.00`	`zeeble`	`oh`
`15:16.16`	`zeeble`	`petemc: good. custom isos for setups like this is always nice :)`
`15:16.21`	`petemc`	`:)`
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`15:16.40`	`zeeble`	`that machine works really really good now though.`
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`15:17.07`	`TNKS`	`hi all. I just downloaded Enlightenment DR17 just out of curiousity. . . and man, it blows me away.`
`15:17.13`	`zeeble`	`TNKS: :)`
`15:17.34`	`wetsand`	`TNKS, how can i install this? whats the package name?`
`15:17.40`	`TNKS`	`wetsand.`
`15:17.41`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: hey, /msg me the link to the iso when you find it.`
`15:17.53`	`Gathond`	`wetsand: I think its CVS snapshots at the moment`
`15:18.03`	`TNKS`	`there's a guy, shadoi who maintains a set of debian packages.`
`15:18.13`	`TNKS`	`really, really easy install (aptitude install).`
`15:18.22`	`TNKS`	`and no dependency hurdles.`
`15:18.45`	`TNKS`	`DR17 isn't "stable" or even "released" but it's useable enough as a WM.`
`15:19.18`	`zeeble`	`i liked evidence in E`
`15:19.24`	`Shadur`	`Gathond: Not since the last time shadoi uploaded new packages.`
`15:19.33`	`kneet`	`The shadoi packages have been amazingly stable for the state that E17 is in.`
`15:19.34`	`TNKS`	`Gathond, I totally agree. I don't mind if they want to store something in binary for easier parsing, but they really need to make sure the tools to edit these files are robust.`
`15:19.53`	`Shadur`	`kneet: Which is still not saying very much.`
`15:19.55`	`Gathond`	`Shadur: have they actually made a menu editor now?`
`15:19.58`	`orange_`	`apt-get tells me that Dinamic MMap ran out of room...what does it means?`
`15:20.01`	`Shadur`	`Nope`
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`15:20.13`	`Gathond`	`Shadur: so still right out as a usable system :)`
`15:20.20`	`Shadur`	`Gathond: Yes.`
`15:20.20`	`kneet`	`Shadur, well - I have been using them - have only one issue - and that's with vmware under e17`
`15:20.21`	`caphuso`	`orange_: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap`
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`15:20.43`	`Shadur`	`Pity, though - it looks very spiff, and what little they had was very fast.`
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`15:21.00`	`Jetty__`	`Hi all`
`15:21.00`	`kneet`	`Oh - and a missing entry point in a library on what I believe to be a damaged sid system :)`
`15:21.20`	`Jetty__`	`I have one little question about "right-way" mirroring`
`15:21.25`	`Jetty__`	`:)`
`15:21.35`	`Jetty__`	`Did you help me`
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`15:22.13`	`Jetty__`	`I want to mirror debian apt- source`
`15:22.23`	`Guto_`	`who is channel debian brasil?`
`15:22.42`	`thingfish`	`it's #debian-br`
`15:22.43`	`tijn`	`yer thats interresting, making an apt-server`
`15:22.54`	`tijn`	`apt-get install warez :+D`
`15:22.55`	`Guto_`	`thingfish: thanks`
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`15:23.25`	`saloxin`	`whats a good way to throttle p2p traffic at gw level? 20+ machines on uunmanaged switches going haywire`
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`15:24.30`	`Jetty__`	`so ... Anybody can help me with mirroring`
`15:24.31`	`Jetty__`	`?`
`15:24.50`	`TNKS`	`http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (for those interested in E DR17 Debian packages)`
`15:25.15`	`TNKS`	`deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/`
`15:25.37`	`TNKS`	`(the sources.list line)`
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`15:26.18`	`Ronin`	`damn, just got back from coffee and its almost lunch time`
`15:26.31`	`Jetty__`	`how I can build _MY_ apt source ?`
`15:27.15`	`azeem`	`Jetty__: with dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive, e.g.`
`15:27.53`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, Martin Krafft published an excellent book called The Debian System. In case you find yourself struggling to peice information together from the web, I highly recommend it.`
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`15:28.22`	`wetsand`	`zeeble, did you try booting debian with linux24 rather than linux26...i am reading something saying the megaraid mod is in 2.4.x`
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`15:28.40`	`tijn`	`if its in 2.4.x it also in 2.6.x right?`
`15:28.45`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: tried everything..`
`15:28.45`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> Did you have a URL to this book ?`
`15:28.55`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> book=doc`
`15:28.57`	`Jetty__`	`:)`
`15:29.33`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, I wish it were freely available as a pdf, but honestly, it wasn't a waste of money for me.`
`15:29.56`	`Jetty__`	`azeem> Can dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive to create right Package.gz ?`
`15:30.16`	`Jetty__`	`azeem> Based on _MY_ file list`
`15:30.31`	`Jetty__`	`file list = package which I have`
`15:30.34`	`megabit`	`Can you help me: how can I test my cdrw/dvd driver?`
`15:30.45`	`azeem`	`Jetty__: yes`
`15:31.04`	`Jetty__`	`azeem> Tnx ... i'm reading man for more info :)`
`15:31.10`	`azeem`	`Jetty__: easiest is: put all packages in a directory, then call: touch override; dpkg-scanpackages . override \| gzip -nc > Packages.gz`
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`15:31.46`	`wetsand`	`zeeble, ok check this out: >>From dell.com:`
`15:31.46`	`wetsand`	`> "On 2.6.x kernels (x < 9), there is no driver for these adapters. On`
`15:31.46`	`wetsand`	`> 2.6.x kernels (x >= 9) use the 'megaraid_mbox' and 'megaraid_mm' drivers."`
`15:32.10`	`FlimFlamMan`	`is there a utility that will create an ascii graphical representation of a directory tree, including group permissions for each directory?`
`15:32.10`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> You don't want to give me copy of your book in PDF format ? If you have one now ...`
`15:32.58`	`wetsand`	`so what is the kernel release built into the latest installer 3.1R0A`
`15:33.01`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: well, when i tried, there was nothing called a megaraid_mbox driver in the debian netinstall CD. so had to rebuild with the driver from dell's ftp`
`15:33.22`	`thingfish`	`wetsand: it's 2.6.8`
`15:33.29`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: and since dell.com recommends this, and this is in the kernel already, try it.`
`15:33.32`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, sorry, not electronic. I got it at a local book store (but I had to order it, because Martin found the European market easier to crack into first).`
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`15:33.42`	`zeeble`	`I was installing like around 2.6.5 days.`
`15:33.45`	`wetsand`	`thingfish, thank you`
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`15:34.04`	`thingfish`	`you're welcome, wetsand.`
`15:34.05`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, but it is an amazing book for Debian users that want to step closer towards the Debian community.`
`15:34.16`	`petemc`	`wetsand: you didnt try that iso?`
`15:34.20`	`wetsand`	`zeeble, so how do i install the 2.6.9 kernel straight from installation`
`15:34.21`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> How much it cost ?`
`15:34.33`	`wetsand`	`petemc, i found the iso and am downloading it now`
`15:34.48`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, not cheap. . . I think it ends up around $50 if you by it absolutely fresh.`
`15:34.56`	`petemc`	`wetsand: so thats all you need, then you can compile your own kernel, or use a packaged one from sid`
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`15:35.46`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> Simply i dont know, can I fond This book in my country`
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`15:37.01`	`RoyK`	`this is sick`
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`15:37.09`	`syn\ack`	`hi`
`15:37.17`	`RoyK`	`fdisk refuses to create a large partition on my 3TB RAID`
`15:37.24`	`row`	`if I am using debian kernel source and use --initrd, it will have the required cramfs patch right?`
`15:37.33`	`row`	`or must I change the mkimage cmd?`
`15:37.53`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> can you tell me title of this book, and author ?`
`15:38.15`	`Jetty__`	`row: you right`
`15:38.28`	`guru`	`i just compiled 2.6.8 using the default config file from kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 but upon booting i get this: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)`
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`15:38.53`	`Jetty__`	`guru: "guru" -- gggggg`
`15:38.54`	`RoyK`	`guru: perhaps forgotten your disk drivers?`
`15:38.54`	`guru`	`what in my kernel config would cause that?`
`15:38.58`	`ziupiu`	`Jetty__, http://www.nostarch.com/debian.htm`
`15:39.08`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, before I lead you on further, I just looked up in my copy, in chapter 5, it does cover mirroring the Debian archive and hosting your own archive.`
`15:39.09`	`guru`	`RoyK: not that i'm aware of...they're all compiled in as modules`
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`15:39.18`	`RoyK`	`guru: right`
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`15:39.30`	`wetsand`	`petemc, i found the iso... zeeble here is the link:http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=7118`
`15:39.35`	`RoyK`	`guru: and since you're using modules, as a guru, you've created the initrd, right?`
`15:39.37`	`Jetty__`	`guru: simply may be you don't update your mbr ?`
`15:39.37`	`zeeble`	`wetsand: thanks`
`15:39.38`	`guru`	`i'll double check though`
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`15:39.52`	`guru`	`RoyK: no, had nothing but problems with initrd`
`15:40.03`	`Jetty__`	`guru: you don't have a correct root= kernel booting parameter`
`15:40.14`	`RoyK`	`guru: then why the fuck do you use disk drivers as modules???????`
`15:40.19`	`guru`	`Jetty__: yes i do because 2.6.8-2.686 boots with the same parameters`
`15:40.21`	`Jetty__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:40.35`	`TNKS`	`http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593270690/002-7888184-5414411?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance`
`15:40.39`	`guru`	`RoyK: there's no need to get fucking hostile`
`15:40.47`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> oh...tnx`
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`15:40.58`	`RoyK`	`guru: either you use drivers as modules, in initrd, or you link them static`
`15:41.04`	`RoyK`	`guru: that's the two options`
`15:41.11`	`guru`	`RoyK: ok, i did not know that`
`15:41.36`	`RoyK`	`of course there _is_ an option compiling them as modules and not using initrd, but that implies that the kernel can't load the module from disk since it doesn't see the disk, and then panics`
`15:41.38`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, cheap too!`
`15:42.17`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> I don't understand your word "cheap". My en_us so baaad`
`15:42.18`	`Jetty__`	`:)`
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`15:42.27`	`guru`	`where exactly are the disk drivers in the menuconfig?`
`15:42.27`	`usn`	`hi folx`
`15:42.37`	`Ronin`	`Jetty__: cheap=inexpensive`
`15:42.42`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> tell me sinonym :)`
`15:42.58`	`TNKS`	`Well, $30 is baaader than $50. :)`
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`15:44.00`	`myren`	`what are the DNS debugging CLI tools again?`
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`15:44.19`	`wetsand`	`myren, dig?`
`15:44.41`	`Guerin`	`myren: dpkg -L dnsutils \|grep bin`
`15:44.54`	`guru`	`disk drivers are in Device Drivers -> Block devices right?`
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`15:45.27`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, yeah that book was a pleasure to read. Even the stuff I knew. Because it spent some time focusing on "why" things are done a certain way.`
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`15:46.03`	`TNKS`	`It goes in a some good discussions about proper package maintainence, and even the social process of becoming and being a maintainer.`
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`15:46.58`	`elive_tank`	`grub: "root (hd0,6) \n kernel /boot/vmwlinuz root=/dev/hda7..."`
`15:47.06`	`elive_tank`	`how i need to define in this my /boot partition ?`
`15:47.41`	`elive_tank`	`hd0,6 and /dev/hda7 is the "/" partition, my /boot is in /dev/hda6`
`15:47.42`	`TNKS`	`Can someone help figure out the interactions between gdm, x, debian, and th confused me a little. In particular, I'm trying to figure out to define sessions for gdm and specify DesktopEnv/WindowsMgr combos to select from.`
`15:48.07`	`TNKS`	`sorry, that got chopped up a bit.`
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`15:48.32`	`TNKS`	`I meant to say that navigating the /etc/X11 scripts has gotten me a bit lost.`
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`15:48.50`	`Stubbs_`	`I did a bad kernel recompile, and hashed out parts of lilo.conf, and now it cant boot, i can work around it so i can enter the file but when attempting to save it i am told 'read-only filesystem', can anyone help?`
`15:48.54`	`Coutal`	`say, is there a channel for debian-installer? i need to know what format boot.img is`
`15:49.12`	`TNKS`	`Now that I'm more interested in hybridizing Gnome and Enlightenment, I'm trying to figure out how gdm, or even xdm defines sessions.`
`15:49.15`	`Coutal`	`file ~/boot.img returns blank`
`15:49.35`	`ziupiu`	`Stubbs_, mount -o remount,rw /`
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`15:51.32`	`Eno_`	`i have an nvidia card which is capable of displaying to two seperate screens using the nvidia's drivers.. and using the app nvtv using the free nv driver, but that doesn't work very well for me (i get a pink line and weird problems) -- is there a good way to have two screens while using the free nv driver?`
`15:52.13`	`FlimFlamMan`	`is there a command that will return the group owner of a directory?`
`15:52.13`	`Noid`	`FlimFlamMan: ls`
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`15:52.13`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ls lists the contents of the dirctory`
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`15:52.13`	`Eno_`	`ls -ld directory`
`15:52.14`	`Eno_`	`will work`
`15:52.25`	`FlimFlamMan`	`Eno_, Noid - thanks`
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`15:53.39`	`myren`	`i tried to setup m y domain name eldergods.com with godaddy, but the only thing i'm seeing in the registry is the nameserver for it, dns.eldergods.com`
`15:53.58`	`myren`	`how could dns.eldergods.com work but eldergods.com not work`
`15:54.31`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> suxx, I can not find place, where i can buy book that you recomend me ....`
`15:54.41`	`Jetty__`	`in my countrty`
`15:54.48`	`SlayerXP`	`myren: no A record for the latter.`
`15:55.16`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> did you have your own apt source ?`
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`15:55.31`	`wetsand`	`petemc, this iso is confusing i have no idea what to do`
`15:55.39`	`Guerin`	`!:E`
`15:55.39`	`dpkg`	`Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!`
`15:55.49`	`Guerin`	`there should be an eldergodssmite`
`15:56.07`	`sah_lee`	`stew: are you there?`
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`15:56.27`	`sah_lee`	`I found something that might be useful`
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`15:56.47`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, sorry, if I were to help you, I'd just be dictating Martin's book to you.`
`15:57.21`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> tnx, but i request to you about your own apt source`
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`15:57.39`	`TNKS`	`Jetty__, I meant to also say that I haven't done that yet.`
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`15:58.05`	`Jetty__`	`TNKS> oh...sorry, i don't understand you right ..`
`15:58.13`	`TNKS`	`But he does mention apt-move for "taking a local APT cache and transforming it into a Debian archive"`
`15:58.15`	`jharrisonwk`	`greetings comrads`
`15:58.19`	`TNKS`	`that sounds like a start.`
`15:59.06`	`TheCount`	`!cygnus`
`15:59.11`	`TheCount`	`@cygnus`
`15:59.16`	`TheCount`	`~cygrus`
`15:59.19`	`TheCount`	`!cyrus`
`15:59.19`	`dpkg`	`cyrus is, like, the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN"`
`15:59.19`	`jharrisonwk`	`anyone have any experience installing debian on a Gigabyte GA-8S661FXMP-RZ using sata drives?`
`15:59.21`	`TheCount`	`(damnit)`
`15:59.30`	`orange_`	`anyone knows where i can find some pretty good repositories ?`
`15:59.39`	`Guerin`	`orange_: apt-setup`
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`15:59.40`	`Ronin`	`orange_: apt-setup`
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`16:00.06`	`orange_`	`tnx :)`
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`16:00.22`	`Jetty__`	`if you want to f*k all call: apt-shit or apt-fuck`
`16:00.32`	`Jetty__`	`This was a joke ... :)`
`16:00.41`	`orange_`	`apt-setup command not found ?`
`16:00.47`	`Jetty__`	`:))))))))))))`
`16:01.02`	`Guerin`	`orange_: then you're not running debian from > 2003`
`16:01.04`	`Jetty__`	`orange_: install this package using apt-get`
`16:01.23`	`orange_`	`apt-get install apt-setup ?`
`16:01.28`	`petemc`	`wetsand: read the woody install guide`
`16:01.32`	`Guerin`	`!tell orange_ about search`
`16:01.49`	`wetsand`	`petemc, i like sarge install so much better`
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`16:02.02`	`Jetty__`	`orange_: apt-cache search apt-setup, and than install propretary apt-setup (if apt-cache find it)`
`16:02.15`	`sylvain`	`hi there, i'm new to linux and i'm trying to create a linux-type (ext3??) partition on my second HD, right after a non-bootable (data only) ntfs partition`
`16:02.15`	`Ronin`	`orange_: are you running debian?`
`16:02.22`	`jharrisonwk`	`no one uses gigabyte boards eh?`
`16:02.40`	`asg`	`Ronin: if he's running sid, apt-setup has been removed`
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`16:02.54`	`Ronin`	`asg: ahh,`
`16:02.59`	`asg`	`Ronin: it is only available in the installer as part of the udeb`
`16:03.02`	`jcdubacq`	`any channel with news from nvidia under kernel 2.6.14`
`16:03.14`	`sylvain`	`there's free space there, all right, but after i created the partition with cfdisk's interface, i'm unable to "mount" it as ext3`
`16:03.33`	`asg`	`Ronin: * Remove apt-setup, moved to udeb. (changelog for base-config in sid (2.74))`
`16:03.36`	`Demostene`	`sylvain: you have to format it ...`
`16:03.49`	`petemc`	`wetsand: not sure what to tell you, theres not much involved in using that iso`
`16:03.57`	`orange_`	`Ronin: it's knoppix ...`
`16:04.00`	`Ronin`	`asg: cool, i should keep more up to date on teh new stuff but running stable`
`16:04.00`	`sylvain`	`Demostene: the whole HD ? :(`
`16:04.05`	`Eno_`	`does anyone have a dual head nvidia card and using the nv driver and has had success using two screens with it?`
`16:04.06`	`Ronin`	`lol orange_ #knoppix then for you`
`16:04.17`	`Demostene`	`sylvain: the partition you have just created with cfdisk`
`16:04.20`	`orange_`	`oh, ok :)`
`16:04.22`	`orange_`	`tnx :)`
`16:04.38`	`[11aa]`	`dpkg is slow`
`16:04.41`	`sah_lee`	`stew: I guess its of the version of gcc. the default version of gcc used on my system is 4.0, but according to the bot 'dpkg', maybe I should use 3.4.`
`16:04.49`	`wetsand`	`petemc, so basically the goal is to load a base system with the megaraid driver`
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`16:05.18`	`sylvain`	`Demostene: how do i format it ?`
`16:05.32`	`petemc`	`wetsand: /msg dpkg custom d-i - fill yer boots`
`16:05.33`	`wetsand`	`petemc, once i get that far, do i have to do a dist upgrade`
`16:05.38`	`Demostene`	`sylvain man mke2fs`
`16:05.52`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: compile didn't work with 4.0?`
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`16:06.34`	`CAiRO`	`when i want to upgrade my debian computer to an athlon 64 x2 (from an old 1ghz athlon), is there anything important i have to bear in mind? (i don't want to reinstall everything, i'll be reusing the old harddisks)`
`16:06.56`	`sylvain`	`thx so much, i'll read it right away then`
`16:06.58`	`Demostene`	`CAiRO: which debian version?`
`16:07.03`	`CAiRO`	`sarge`
`16:07.06`	`CAiRO`	`partially unstable`
`16:07.10`	`Guerin`	`CAiRO: nope. Should work just fine. Grab a -smp kernel and you'll be able to use both cpus.`
`16:07.13`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: you mean it has to be 3.4?`
`16:07.20`	`Demostene`	`CAiRO just the processor?`
`16:07.27`	`CAiRO`	`Guerin: but i could do that later on when the system is running?`
`16:07.34`	`abrotman`	`!flamethrower`
`16:07.35`	`dpkg`	`Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable`
`16:07.45`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: I didn't set it to any value, its by default...`
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`16:07.55`	`CAiRO`	`Demostene: no, the mainboard and ram too, the one for the 1ghz athlon is too old`
`16:08.00`	`Guerin`	`CAiRO: sure, presuming your hardware is supported to a minimal degree in the kernel you have now, it'll boot and run fine.`
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`16:08.17`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: no, worked here with 4.0, try it.`
`16:08.22`	`Coutal`	`petemc: do you know how one can do a kernel-only floppy for ppc?`
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`16:08.33`	`Demostene`	`CAiRO same chipset or not? The kernel (or initrd) have to be able to find the HD`
`16:08.35`	`CAiRO`	`Guerin: ok, great, thanks, i can install a stock kernel for safety`
`16:08.43`	`Coutal`	`i don't even need the system to boot past it. i just need the kernel to load and dump its debug data.`
`16:09.05`	`Demostene`	`CAiRO just check the initrd ... man mkinitrd`
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`16:09.19`	`CAiRO`	`Demostene: um, that might be a problem as the new mainboard mainly supports sata (only one ide channel).. and so i've bought several ide->sata adapters`
`16:09.26`	`Demostene`	`CAiRO no need to install a stock kernel`
`16:09.30`	`CAiRO`	`Demostene: anyway, thanks for the hints`
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`16:09.49`	`moi`	`hey, is there an option within dhcpd that it will wait until my pppoe connects, get the newest dns servers, and then updates the linked clients with the new dns information?`
`16:09.58`	`sah_lee`	`oh`
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`16:10.28`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: you missed the story.`
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`16:10.46`	`Demostene`	`CAiRO: u r welcome ... I repeat: man mkinitrd`
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`16:11.31`	`CAiRO`	`i'll have a look`
`16:11.33`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: I met a trouble, that I can't use framebuffer in console even if I compile the kernel using the official config file.`
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`16:11.50`	`Demostene`	`moi: dhcp should tell to client you are the dns server;you have to forward dns queries to real dns server`
`16:11.51`	`Nebular`	`ok so I have a printer server running on a live cd I created with bootcdwrite. I'm using cups and IPP. When I try to print from windows I get ReadClient: 4 IPP Read Error!. anyone have any ideas?`
`16:11.57`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: So I tried to find out what is different.`
`16:12.03`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: can't use framebuffer how? blank screen?`
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`16:12.33`	`Demostene`	`moi: dnsmasq should be the software you are looking for`
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`16:13.05`	`moi`	`Demostene, very nice, is this piece of named?`
`16:13.37`	`DonVincenzo`	`is anyone using wine+MSN+webcam ?`
`16:13.41`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: during the boot process, and before the gdm starts, there should be a many characters displayed, right? but what I see is totally black.`
`16:13.42`	`moi`	`Demostene, i see. thanks for this`
`16:13.49`	`Demostene`	`moi: no if I remember well it is just a dns cache not a dns server ... but you can use named if you prefer`
`16:14.05`	`sah_lee`	`but at last the gdm could start and everything is ok in X.`
`16:14.09`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: tried passing vga=xxx?`
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`16:15.07`	`sah_lee`	`yes, when I boot with the kernel I downloaded via aptitude, and with a vga=792 passed, it displays very well.`
`16:15.44`	`sah_lee`	`but when I pass vga=792 to the kernel I built myself, it turns to a black screen.`
`16:16.12`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: yes, when I boot with the kernel I downloaded via aptitude, and with a vga=792 passed, it displays very well. but when I pass vga=792 to the kernel I built myself, it turns to a black screen.`
`16:17.21`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: hmm, you probably missed out some config options, I highly doubt this could be related to the gcc version if that's on your mind.`
`16:18.25`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: is your custom kernel based on a debian packaged kernel config?`
`16:18.31`	`sah_lee`	`but I just load the '/boot/config-2.6.12-1-686' and changed only two places: one is the type of the cpu, another is to enable writing on ntfs.`
`16:18.42`	`sah_lee`	`i think so`
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`16:19.47`	`tijn`	`almost weekend :D`
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`16:20.21`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: I just load the '/boot/config-2.6.12-1-686' and changed only two places: one is the type of the cpu, another is to enable writing on ntfs.`
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`16:21.10`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: weird.`
`16:21.27`	`sah_lee`	`really weird`
`16:24.14`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: just now, i compared some files and found the differences of the files' size. so i think this may be caused by the compiler.`
`16:24.52`	`scyrma`	`since I installed 2.6.14-2-k7 (was compiling on my own before), sometimes eth0 is wireless, sometimes it's eth1 that is wireless.. how can I get this to be stable?`
`16:24.57`	`Ungy`	`how can I detect network cards I have on a machine`
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`16:25.28`	`row`	`why would setting "interface ppp* 23 2000" in snmpd.conf not take effect, it does not change speed thats outputed by snmpwalk`
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`16:26.02`	`scyrma`	`Ungy, tried "cat /proc/pci"?`
`16:26.10`	`row`	`"IF-MIB::ifSpeed.26 = Gauge32: 0" is all I get for ppp0`
`16:26.26`	`Ungy`	`scyrma, nope thanks`
`16:26.26`	`scyrma`	`oops, obsolete..`
`16:26.36`	`scyrma`	`Ungy, it changed to lspci I think`
`16:26.46`	`scyrma`	`sorry`
`16:26.51`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: fwiw, I get a blank screen without vga=792 here too, and the .14 running now was compiled with gcc 4.0. shrug`
`16:26.57`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: I didn't touch anything in the 'Device Driver -> Graphic' sub-menu in menuconfig. But I found the size of the files in '/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686' and '/lib/modules/2.6.12-Sah' are different.`
`16:27.20`	`Demostene`	`#debian-it re`
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`16:28.26`	`sah_lee`	`without?`
`16:28.29`	`Ungy`	`scyrma, nice ok do you know of anyway I can tell which ones are hooked up to eth# and which have a cable in them?`
`16:28.40`	`scyrma`	`ah!`
`16:28.45`	`fericitu_`	`how can i have access to NTFS prtitions from debian ...pls hlp me`
`16:28.56`	`scyrma`	`Ungy, actually, I'm looking for a way to do that...`
`16:29.04`	`thingfish`	`fericitu_: define the partition in /etc/fstab and mount it.`
`16:29.06`	`Ungy`	`fericitu_, smbfs?`
`16:29.14`	`petemc`	`fericitu_: mount /dev/hdN /mnt/foo -o umask=022`
`16:29.18`	`LoRez`	`Ungy: mii-tool`
`16:29.20`	`sah_lee`	`if I pass a vga=normal, it could display, but in 800x600 (or 640x480, I don't know).`
`16:29.22`	`Ungy`	`scyrma, cool so am I?`
`16:29.24`	`scyrma`	`Ungy maybe something with using a "pre-up" in /etc/network/interfaces`
`16:29.25`	`fericitu_`	`thx`
`16:29.32`	`scyrma`	`mii-tool ?`
`16:29.35`	`fericitu_`	`i will try one of them`
`16:29.39`	`scyrma`	`i'll check that..`
`16:29.42`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: without? if I pass a vga=normal, it could display, but in 800x600 (or 640x480, I don't know).`
`16:30.20`	`Ungy`	`LoRez, mii-tool? hmm interesting ok thank I am looking into it`
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`16:31.31`	`Ungy`	`LoRez, you rock that is exactly what I needed`
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`16:33.42`	`chema_`	`Thanks, other question, qhat is the equivalent of the DFS in Linux?`
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`16:34.30`	`abrotman`	`afs ? gfs ?`
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`16:35.26`	`fericitu_`	`<petemc> i recive : you must specify the file system type .... after your cmd ... where i can specify the ntfs ???`
`16:36.12`	`wetsand`	`zeeble, petemc , I loaded knoppix on the 1850, which supports the scsi/raid driver...what if i copied the drivers from that system to floppy and loaded them during my debian sarge install???`
`16:36.22`	`takatumi`	`sah_lee: framebuffer related options are not modular here, other than that I'm out of ideas.`
`16:36.31`	`abrotman`	`!sarge 2.6.12`
`16:36.31`	`dpkg`	`sarge 2.6.12 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612`
`16:37.14`	`Eno_`	`do kernel-images in stable ever get updated with apt-get?`
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`16:37.38`	`Eno_`	`i have never seen it update a kernel... how does sarge deal with kernel updates?`
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`16:41.26`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`16:41.26`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`16:41.49`	`Bac9`	`is it possible/easy to upgrade (without reinstall) i386 to amd64?`
`16:42.20`	`abrotman`	`to pure64 ?`
`16:42.28`	`xfan`	`Bac9 : i dont know, but you need to change all packages`
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`16:42.35`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: amd64`
`16:42.39`	`bizkit`	`hi, I'm on a fresh install of a debian sarge system with just ssh up. this system is a remote server. i got a swap partition on the beginning of the disc (1G) and a second partition (~150G) mounted as the root fs (/). now i want to partition my disc, completely from remote. I need to boot out of the swap and then use anything to split up /dev/hda2 into more partitions. can anyone suggest a doc for this?`
`16:42.41`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: that's not my question`
`16:42.44`	`Bac9`	`xfan: why? amd64 can run i386`
`16:42.46`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: there is a pure64 distro`
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`16:42.55`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: is that what oyu mean to upgrade to ?`
`16:43.02`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: oh? never heard of it, what is it?`
`16:43.07`	`abrotman`	`!pure64`
`16:43.09`	`abrotman`	`!amd64`
`16:43.10`	`dpkg`	`amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64`
`16:43.11`	`sah_lee`	`takatumi: :--S`
`16:43.19`	`bizkit`	`i'm thinking of parted. or is it possible to just use fdisk then?`
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`16:43.25`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: i'm not sure what oyu mean by 'upgrade' to amd64`
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`16:44.00`	`bizkit`	`!parted`
`16:44.01`	`abrotman`	`stupid bots`
`16:44.01`	`dpkg`	`GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables.`
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`16:44.09`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: change cpu to an athelon64, pup in old HDD and tell apt to use 64bit packages for what ever is available`
`16:44.16`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: something like that`
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`16:44.37`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: 64bit packages is pure64 .. and if you want to know if you can upgrade a x86 box to pure64 in place .. ask #debian-amd64`
`16:44.57`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: now .. you can run regular i386 packages on amd64`
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`16:45.09`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: iirc there's an amd64 branch that you can install when installing from scrartch, just not sure if you can "upgrade to it" (e.g. apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade)`
`16:45.26`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: oh, thanx`
`16:45.27`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: yes .. there is .. pure64.. ask #debian-amd64 .. but i'm really not sure`
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`16:45.53`	`azeem`	`www.debian.org/ports/amd64`
`16:45.53`	`pelis`	`hola`
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`16:46.02`	`azeem`	`eh, were lost in scrollback`
`16:46.06`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: what's the difference between amd64 and pure64?`
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`16:46.23`	`azeem`	`Bac9: there is only pure64 at the moment`
`16:46.32`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: an amd64 can run i386 packages(standard debian stuffs) .. pure64 is compiled for amd64 .. 64bit everything`
`16:46.36`	`azeem`	`unless you count running i386 on amd64 as something`
`16:46.58`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: be aware that somethings do not work on pure64`
`16:47.41`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: yes, hence I don't really want a "pure" 64 bit, but want to run 32 bit binaries for ones that don't have 64 bit counterpart`
`16:48.01`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: multi-arch doesn't exist yet`
`16:48.07`	`abrotman`	`it's being worked on .. but not done afaik`
`16:48.26`	`azeem`	`yeah`
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`16:48.38`	`azeem`	`probably won't be done for etch either, unless things get moving RSN`
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`16:49.06`	`azeem`	`Bac9: you can run 32bit binaries on pure64 through a 32bit chroot`
`16:49.19`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: then what's the amd64 branch they were planning to release with etch? is it pure 64bit?`
`16:49.25`	`azeem`	`yes`
`16:49.26`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: the idea of multiarch is that you can run 32bit and 64bit side by side .. (not just for amd64 platform)`
`16:49.48`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: yes .. pure64 .. last iknew .. flash and openoffice didn't work in pure64(those were the biggies anyways)`
`16:50.07`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: flash doesn't even work on i386 :-)`
`16:50.16`	`abrotman`	`works for me`
`16:50.24`	`azeem`	`<elmo> ahem. I should not talk about multiarchitecture, it makes me appear as bitter as I actually am`
`16:50.31`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`16:50.34`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: not here, hogs cp and tends to freeze up box`
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`16:50.42`	`abrotman`	`azeem: from -devel ?`
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`16:50.49`	`azeem`	`nah, -tech`
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`16:50.55`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: try another browser .. or upgrade the flash you have installed`
`16:51.00`	`abrotman`	`azeem: oh .. the oftc thingie ?`
`16:51.01`	`xfan`	`Bac9 : you can tray for test propouses: Ubuntu 64bit edition`
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`16:51.08`	`azeem`	`yeah, but he since left there again`
`16:51.15`	`abrotman`	`xfan: ubuntu is crap`
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`16:51.23`	`wetsand`	`can someone help me load drivers to my kernel from a shell...im currently in the process of installing Sarge`
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`16:51.25`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: I don't really care about flash anyway as I never use it anyway, so I just remove it`
`16:51.38`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: ah ok .. is this for a server or workstation ?`
`16:51.44`	`rndinit0`	`hello any apt-proxy whiz kids online with a minute of spare time? My box seems to get capped @ 20kB/s and I cant figure out why`
`16:51.55`	`Bac9`	`xfan: the thing here is that I do _not_ want to reinstall`
`16:52.03`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: workstation`
`16:52.20`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: you could .. erm .. try the etch Beta1 amd64 installer`
`16:52.35`	`rndinit0`	`abrotman, i dont see how you can possibly say that ubuntu is crap`
`16:52.47`	`abrotman`	`rndinit0: ubuntu is crap`
`16:52.51`	`abrotman`	`see .. i did it again :)`
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`16:52.54`	`xfan`	`Bac9 : its a live-cd xD`
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`16:53.15`	`abrotman`	`Bac9: ask #debian-amd64 for more details about pure64`
`16:53.18`	`giupy-euei`	`sera serina`
`16:53.19`	`rndinit0`	`abrotman, im assuming you have tried it and that you have found things that you dont like? im curious to know what those things were?`
`16:53.19`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: I could, however that doesn't really solve my wish of not having to reinstall :-/`
`16:53.23`	`giupy-euei`	`oops`
`16:53.28`	`Bac9`	`abrotman: already asking there, thanx`
`16:53.32`	`abrotman`	`rndinit0: yes ..`
`16:53.34`	`azeem`	`rndinit0: please, discussing Ubuntu in here only leads to tears`
`16:53.50`	`abrotman`	`rndinit0: if you want to advocate/talk about Ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu or ##linux`
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`16:53.55`	`rndinit0`	`azeem, fair enough.`
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`16:54.19`	`rndinit0`	`abrotman, may i continue that topic with you in private chat, im mainly lookin for constructive reasons`
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`16:54.38`	`xfan`	`Bac9 : also you can tray Windows XP 64bits edition ....xD`
`16:54.51`	`abrotman`	`rndinit0: really .. no .. ubuntu has ZERO added value for me .. end of discussion .. seems a worthless endeavor to me`
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`16:55.13`	`rndinit0`	`abrotman, k =)`
`16:55.30`	`abrotman`	`rndinit0: of course .. that's my opinion ... and the right one :)`
`16:55.45`	`Bac9`	`xfan: hahahaha, I want a stable OS`
`16:55.51`	`jaaro`	`my question is rather general problem than debian issue but someone will know hopefully :) I'm generating broadcast packet and they are sent via ppp0 into internet. I'd like to have them sent into my local network via eth0. Can I do this (e.g. redirect/retransmit udp broadcasts with dport 4000) somehow? With iptables?`
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`16:56.09`	`mjk64`	`What's the Debian way to configure X11 refresh rate? I entered the horiz (15-82)/vert (48-100) refresh ranges in xserver-xfree86 configuration, but the refresh for 1280x960 (highest mode I selected) is only 60 Hz.`
`16:56.30`	`azeem`	`mjk64: are you sure your graphics card/monitor can do better?`
`16:56.34`	`Thumper_`	`Is there a simple way to list what packages will be upgraded without actually doing an upgrade in aptitude/apt-get ?`
`16:56.38`	`xfan`	`mjk64 : debian way its pure code xD`
`16:56.42`	`Coweater`	`mjk64: lcd?`
`16:56.48`	`rndinit0`	`Thumper_, apt-get install <package> -s`
`16:56.49`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: X11 picks the highest refresh rate it can use`
`16:56.49`	`Thumper_`	`I want to do apt-get/aptitude update in a cron job and list the`
`16:56.55`	`Thumper_`	`packages available for upgrade`
`16:57.14`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: do the math and see if the refresh you specified and the resolution you specified what the highest refresh rate can be`
`16:57.15`	`rndinit0`	`Thumper_, just add the -s flag to the end of the command`
`16:57.18`	`bibe`	`Thumper_ : 'man apt-get' tells to use -s`
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`16:57.31`	`mjk64`	`azeem: Yes, I'm sure. :-) 82 kHz is more than enough for 1280x960@75 Hz.`
`16:57.32`	`Thumper_`	`ok I tried that... didn't seem to work`
`16:57.38`	`mjk64`	`Coweater: Brrr, no! =)`
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`16:57.55`	`rndinit0`	`Thumper_, what are you typing ?`
`16:57.59`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: check your monitor manual, maybe it supports higher refresh rates for horiz/vert`
`16:58.13`	`mjk64`	`Bac9: No, doesn't. :-)`
`16:58.19`	`Thumper_`	`rndinit0: aptitude upgrade -s`
`16:58.32`	`Thumper_`	`comes back with the packages to be upgraded list`
`16:58.37`	`Thumper_`	`and a prompt Do you want to continue`
`16:58.44`	`rndinit0`	`Thumper_, i dont use aptitude,`
`16:58.49`	`Thumper_`	`ok`
`16:58.56`	`rndinit0`	`Thumper_, but you can get the desired result with apt-get upgrade -s`
`16:58.56`	`bibe`	`Thumper_ : it seems you have to specify options _before_ upgrade`
`16:58.58`	`bizkit`	`is it possible to run fdisc and change the partition table while the system is running? e.g. i have hda1 and hda2. i'm booting from hda1, no need for hda2. now i run fdisk and remove hda2 without modifying hda1. i create some new partitions in the free space (after hda1) and write down the table. when i reboot now, does this table take place? did i do hda1 any harm or will it still boot from hda1?`
`16:59.00`	`Thumper_`	`ah much better`
`16:59.01`	`Thumper_`	`thx`
`16:59.07`	`rndinit0`	`Thumper_, pleasure =)`
`16:59.08`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: then use a lower resolution`
`16:59.14`	`bibe`	`Thumper_ : try aptitude -s upgrade`
`16:59.17`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: or get a monitor that does`
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`16:59.37`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: I am assuming crt, donno about lcd since they don't have a refresh rate`
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`17:00.40`	`mjk64`	`Bac9: My monitor is absolutely capable of 1280x960 @ 75 Hz, even 80 Hz, I use it with exactly these values on another box.`
`17:00.46`	`mjk64`	`Bac9: Yes, CRT.`
`17:00.46`	`Thumper_`	`bibe: nope. but apt-get -s upgrade works`
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`17:01.22`	`bibe`	`Thumper_ : that's the same command I always used`
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`17:02.13`	`Bac9`	`mjk64: then donno aside from that`
`17:02.40`	`mjk64`	`Bac9: Let's just call X11 a little lame, then. :-)`
`17:02.42`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: check the X log`
`17:02.49`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: which driver are you using ?`
`17:02.55`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: mga`
`17:03.12`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: and the card is a G400 or higher ?`
`17:03.12`	`AciD`	`anybody plan to debianize the program "kat" (http://kat.mandriva.com/) ?`
`17:03.27`	`abrotman`	`acid: debian.org/devel/wnpp/`
`17:03.29`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: Or should the Matrox Millennium II with 8 MB not be able to produce 1280 x 960 @ 75? No, absolutely impossible.`
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`17:03.42`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: not likely .. check the X log`
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`17:04.08`	`abrotman`	`acid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309068`
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`17:04.28`	`AciD`	`thx`
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`17:04.58`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: The X11 log sucks, btw.: (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) - it doesn't fscking print the horiz/vert. values!`
`17:05.14`	`simon__`	`exit`
`17:05.14`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: it might farther up`
`17:05.25`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: "farther up" = ?`
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`17:06.26`	`abrotman`	`in the log`
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`17:06.57`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: Sorry, my English is not that good; what does the expression "farther up" mean?`
`17:07.18`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: doh, forget it! =)`
`17:07.28`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: got it ... ("farther up")`
`17:07.29`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: german ?`
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`17:07.39`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: Yeah, German. But not a Nazi. ;-)`
`17:07.55`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: http://matrox.com/mga/support/user_manuals/mill2_myst220/instdeu.pdf ... that mode is indeed .. not supported apparently`
`17:08.00`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: I thought "farther" was a verb, that's why I was a little confused. =)`
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`17:10.09`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: Huh? 1280 x 1024 @ 60-100 Hz is supported, so 1280 x 960 @ 60-100 should not be a problem, either ...`
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`17:10.31`	`lalamino`	`ola`
`17:10.49`	`lalamino`	`hello`
`17:11.11`	`lalamino`	`ola`
`17:11.23`	`mjk64`	`Hello, lalamino! :-)`
`17:11.23`	`lalamino`	`olaaa`
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`17:12.02`	`lalamino`	`engliss orr espain`
`17:12.10`	`mjk64`	`lalamino: English.`
`17:12.15`	`mjk64`	`!es`
`17:12.15`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`17:12.39`	`lalamino`	`ola`
`17:12.56`	`mjk64`	`abrotman: JFTR: No further information about the unused modes farther up in XFree86.0.log`
`17:13.05`	`dusk`	`got a newb question: I only have one puter and I dual boot win/deb. I just reformated win partition and it wiped MBR, how can I get grub back on.`
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`17:14.16`	`azeem`	`dusk: boot from a rescue CD and reinstall grub`
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`17:14.36`	`dusk`	`azeem: can i use that netinstall disk?`
`17:14.44`	`azeem`	`yeah, I guess`
`17:14.46`	`lalamino`	`we spanish what your name ?`
`17:14.48`	`azeem`	`just be carefu`
`17:14.53`	`azeem`	`l`
`17:14.56`	`azeem`	`lalamino: #debian-es`
`17:14.58`	`lalamino`	`no entender`
`17:15.00`	`dusk`	`azeem: im newb when it comes to that.. how exactly do I install just grub`
`17:15.27`	`azeem`	`dusk: maybe you can just jump to that point in the main menu`
`17:15.35`	`azeem`	`dusk: better read the docu and google for it`
`17:15.42`	`azeem`	`or wait whether somebody else has good advice`
`17:16.03`	`lalamino`	`ola ke tal`
`17:16.20`	`azeem`	`lalamino: /join #debian-es`
`17:16.26`	`azeem`	`!es`
`17:16.26`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`17:17.46`	`lalamino`	`ola ers espa�ol`
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`17:18.34`	`mjk64`	`!tell lalamino -about es`
`17:18.53`	`[11aa]`	`!tell [11aa] about grub`
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`17:19.32`	`ChristianP`	`hi all`
`17:20.02`	`[11aa]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:20.04`	`ChristianP`	`can anyone tell me how can i open an .eps file (free-hand or photoshop file)?`
`17:20.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper`
`17:20.08`	`rglk`	`Re Intel i845 graphics chipset: My Dell BIOS preallocates only 832 KB for "legacy" video RAM - more can be allocated from system RAM by the X server. Is there any way I can tell the BIOS to allocate e.g. 8 MB for video RAM BEFORE the X server starts up? I want to get the Kdrive xvesa server going.`
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`17:20.36`	`Nkao`	`hello, how to extcact a .rar file?`
`17:20.48`	`Nkao`	`extract*`
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`17:21.02`	`Eno_`	`you need to install rar or unrar`
`17:21.04`	`Eno_`	`from non-free`
`17:21.27`	`Nkao`	`then, what the cmd should be?`
`17:21.34`	`Eno_`	`rar x file.rar`
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`17:22.23`	`Nkao`	`and to extract?`
`17:22.34`	`TiMiDo`	`Nkao tar zxvf tar.gz`
`17:22.43`	`Eno_`	`that is the command to extract, Nkao`
`17:22.43`	`Nkao`	`can i just rename it?`
`17:22.49`	`Nkao`	`and use tha tar cmd?`
`17:22.50`	`dusk`	`[llaa], yea.. but i cant get into linux`
`17:22.52`	`TiMiDo`	`yeah Nkao`
`17:22.58`	`Nkao`	`coolz`
`17:22.59`	`TiMiDo`	`mv something.tar.gz some.tar.gz`
`17:23.06`	`Eno_`	`it's a rar file`
`17:23.12`	`cbr`	`uhm.. in experimental`
`17:23.13`	`Eno_`	`using tar won't work`
`17:23.15`	`pureone`	`:\|`
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`17:23.26`	`TiMiDo`	`Bla`
`17:23.28`	`cbr`	`how the hell am i supposed to install nvidia-glx when the experimental Xorg conflicts it!?`
`17:23.37`	`Nkao`	`hmm`
`17:23.54`	`Eno_`	`then don't run anything from experimental`
`17:24.03`	`beardy`	`then? NEVER`
`17:24.09`	`Nkao`	`can i rename it from file.rar to file.tar.gz then untar?`
`17:24.17`	`beardy`	`Nkao: Of course not.`
`17:24.20`	`pureone`	`Nkao NO!`
`17:24.24`	`Nkao`	`hmm`
`17:24.26`	`cbr`	`Eno_: well everything in experimental will sooner or later be in unstable`
`17:24.27`	`cbr`	`:p`
`17:24.28`	`beardy`	`!unrar`
`17:24.28`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free`
`17:24.31`	`Eno_`	`Nkao: the command is "rar x yourifle.rar"`
`17:24.35`	`pureone`	`JUST USE UNRAR`
`17:24.37`	`TiMiDo`	`unrar`
`17:24.42`	`Eno_`	`rar or unrar will work`
`17:24.46`	`Nkao`	`okay`
`17:24.49`	`TiMiDo`	`Nkao sudo apt-get install unrar-free`
`17:24.57`	`beardy`	`cbr: No.`
`17:25.17`	`Eno_`	`cbr: you should not run from unstable, either`
`17:25.49`	`cbr`	`Eno_: it's the only usable distribution anyway ;)`
`17:25.51`	`beardy`	`Well, one can, but the right to whine is lost.`
`17:26.04`	`Eno_`	`meh - i run sarge just fine :)`
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`17:26.30`	`cbr`	`Eno_: yeah.. with kde 3.3 :p`
`17:26.39`	`Eno_`	`what's wrong with that? :\|`
`17:26.42`	`cbr`	`which is long history`
`17:26.48`	`Eno_`	`it works fine`
`17:26.55`	`cbr`	`that doesnt count :p`
`17:26.58`	`cbr`	`its old :p`
`17:27.01`	`Eno_`	`haha`
`17:27.11`	`Eno_`	`old does not mean bad`
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`17:27.32`	`beardy`	`Eno_: Nothing wrong with sarge. The ones that say there is should not be running anything else.`
`17:27.41`	`cbr`	`no, but losing the possibility to try something new does`
`17:27.42`	`Eno_`	`heh`
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`17:28.44`	`Nkao`	`and the cmd for unzipping a file.zip,, is unzip -e file.zip, right?`
`17:28.57`	`pureone`	`unzip file.zip is what i use`
`17:29.14`	`Nkao`	`kkk`
`17:29.34`	`beardy`	`The manual of each archiver is there just for you.`
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`17:30.52`	`west`	`oi`
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`17:31.06`	`west`	`oi`
`17:31.07`	`foo`	`I want to add a bash script be ran whenever I turn on my system. It's really simple ... just like ices2 /etc/ices.xml & ... really simple. Where do I put something like this?`
`17:31.17`	`west`	`quem quer tc?`
`17:31.48`	`mjk64`	`!br`
`17:31.48`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`17:32.53`	`jbroome`	`yes`
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`17:33.21`	`snowowl_`	`now here is the catch -> there are two nic cards`
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`17:33.45`	`beardy`	`foo: In a cron @reboot job. 'man 5 crontab'.`
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`17:33.51`	`snowowl_`	`one is connected to the network the other is p2p with the printer`
`17:34.23`	`snowowl_`	`should that make a difference`
`17:34.33`	`jbroome`	`not if the printer has an ip address`
`17:36.18`	`foo`	`beardy: oh, sweet. Thanks, I'll check it out`
`17:36.44`	`snowowl_`	`jbroome: So an IP is needed regardless if its simply a p2p connection or not.`
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`17:37.25`	`snowowl_`	`I was expecting a lpt like configuration`
`17:37.41`	`foo`	`beardy: ah, this is awesome. Thanks. I never knew about htis`
`17:38.36`	`xfan`	`where i can find "snmpget" and "snmpwalk"`
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`17:39.27`	`xfan`	`where i can find "snmpget" and "snmpwalk" ?`
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`17:39.47`	`mjk64`	`xfan: apt-file search snmpget`
`17:39.59`	`stouset`	`I realize this is insanely offtopic, but who's the Saint largely credited for the "sex is evil" philosophy of the modern church? Starts with an A, I believe.`
`17:40.01`	`mjk64`	`xfan: And be a little more patient. :-)`
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`17:40.15`	`ohad`	`hi, when booting i got a msg saying "failed to mount local filesystem". i'm on my machine now and i can access my dir, networking works but for some reason X11 is semi stuck. most of the applications are not showing and it took it about 10min to login from xdm - ideas how to resolve this one?`
`17:40.53`	`ohad`	`anyone?`
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`17:41.22`	`stouset`	`Ah, nm. St. Thomas Aquinas.`
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`17:42.52`	`mjk64`	`ohad: Have you checked with mount if all FSs in /etc/fstab are mounted?`
`17:43.18`	`bizkit`	`can i boot without a swap partition and without a swap file?`
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`17:43.59`	`mjk64`	`bizkit: If you have enough RAM, sure. The Debian needs at least 24 MB, IIRC.`
`17:44.04`	`wx9j`	`Couldn't stat source package list file: sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)`
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`17:44.37`	`ohad`	`mjk64: how do i check that?`
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`17:45.12`	`bizkit`	`mjk64: do you know if i can alter the partition table while the system is running without modifying the partition the system is running from?`
`17:45.16`	`xam`	`mjk64: at least etch needs at least 48MB, but they are trying to trimm it down to 32MB again`
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`17:45.49`	`wx9j`	`help -Couldn't stat source package list file: sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)`
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`17:47.03`	`mjk64`	`xam: ah, ok`
`17:47.35`	`ohad`	`mjk64: my gui just came up. it took it a really long time..`
`17:47.36`	`mjk64`	`bizkit: Hmm ... I don't get it.`
`17:47.37`	`ohad`	`strange`
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`17:48.28`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: do you want to install packages from cd?`
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`17:49.17`	`Kyrel`	`Hello`
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`17:49.40`	`Kyrel`	`I've a little compilation problem with Geexbox, can someone help me ?`
`17:49.53`	`slibs`	`what is geexbox?`
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`17:50.33`	`Kyrel`	`Geexbox is a small multimedia liveCD distribution made for playing movies, mp3`
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`17:50.43`	`Kyrel`	`www.geexbox.org`
`17:50.50`	`S4nD3r`	`Hi there... Im using sarge, Gnome, when I click in Applications/Debian, all items there are duplicated... How to solve this ?`
`17:50.53`	`wx9j`	`nkuttler, no I was installing from the web, this is a new install, just learning on it.`
`17:50.59`	`eeyore-`	`does anybody use NNTP service from altopia.net? any comment about their performance?`
`17:51.06`	`wx9j`	`wanted to install tomboy and the latest gnome.`
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`17:51.23`	`eeyore-`	`or, another question ... is it "difficult" (yes, i know it's subjective) to set up NNTP first time?`
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`17:51.27`	`bizkit`	`mjk64: pasted from above: is it possible to run fdisc and change the partition table while the system is running? e.g. i have hda1 and hda2. i'm booting from hda1, no need for hda2. now i run fdisk and remove hda2 without modifying hda1. i create some new partitions in the free space (after hda1) and write down the table. when i reboot now, does this table take place? did i do hda1 any harm or will it still boot from hda1?`
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`17:51.47`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: man sources.list and run apt-setup, then apt-get update`
`17:52.20`	`RichiH`	`make menuconfig && make is all i need to build a 2.6 kernel, right?`
`17:52.30`	`wx9j`	`thanks I did the update, did not know about the sources.list`
`17:52.38`	`nkuttler`	`RichiH: why don't you use kernel-package?`
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`17:53.18`	`xam`	`bizkit: nope, that should work`
`17:53.21`	`Ungy`	`ok I just added a new network card how to I enable it it is eth3?`
`17:53.24`	`Kyrel`	`!ask`
`17:53.24`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
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`17:53.42`	`fericitu_`	`how can lis. radio online ... with debian ....EX www.los40.com ...hlp me pls`
`17:53.59`	`RichiH`	`nkuttler: it's a gentoo i got dumped onto me :/`
`17:54.01`	`nkuttler`	`Ungy: man interfaces? ifconfig eth3 up?`
`17:54.09`	`Kyrel`	`!ask I've a problem for compiling geexbox on a Ubuntu 5.10`
`17:54.10`	`nkuttler`	`Ronin: oh :)`
`17:54.35`	`nkuttler`	`RichiH: ^^^`
`17:54.43`	`nkuttler`	`stupid irssi`
`17:55.00`	`nkuttler`	`hm, no, stupid me probably`
`17:55.07`	`bizkit`	`xam: so hda1 (which don't get modified) boots..? just to be safe on this one. its just a remote system i have no chance to rescue/reboot if it fails. i have to pay for getting a new base system image loaded onto this server...`
`17:55.10`	`eeyore-`	`Kyrel: was that directed at me?`
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`17:55.47`	`bizkit`	`Ronin: where do you kill german tanks? :D`
`17:55.53`	`dusk`	`i know i asked before, but can I just put the debian net install disk into my computer and install JUST grub?`
`17:55.57`	`eeyore-`	`Kyrel: because if it was, might i suggest you try to find out how long i've been in #debian compared to you? :-) and i'm perfectly capable of dealing with lack of responses`
`17:56.02`	`Kyrel`	`eeyore- You're talking about my question ?`
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`17:56.15`	`Ungy`	`nkuttler strang I brought it up but the IP didn;t bind`
`17:56.54`	`fericitu_`	`how can lis. radio online ... with debian ....EX www.los40.com ...hlp me pls`
`17:56.57`	`nkuttler`	`Ungy: man interfaces, ifconfig or dhclient`
`17:57.00`	`eeyore-`	`Kyrel: no. usually people tend to "!ask" to come up with something in respond to a general question. no bother. nevermind :-)`
`17:57.03`	`xam`	`bizkit: yes, as long as you don't change the hda1 entry or the MBR (the first 512bytes of the hdd), it will work. So as long as you just delete hdaX (X >= 2) you're okay`
`17:57.15`	`Ungy`	`nkuttler, ahh nevermind I had to /etc/init.d/network restart and it worked`
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`17:57.26`	`wx9j`	`nkuttler, apt.setup returns an error`
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`17:57.45`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: if you just want quick recovery work, you don't even need debian boot cd ...`
`17:57.51`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: what are you trying to do?`
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`17:58.39`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: i only have one puter, with win/deb. Just reformated win partition for fresh winxp, it killed grub`
`17:58.45`	`dusk`	`now i want to get back into linux and im unsure`
`17:58.47`	`dobby_`	`I have a big problem, when i create a file as normal user who is in the group users for exple dobby:users then i have the filerights rw-r-r, how can i change that in the system that every user if he creates a file the rights are rw-rw-r ?`
`17:58.50`	`fericitu_`	`how can open or close a port in debian ???`
`17:58.54`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: recovery from windows install that overwrites MBR is easy ... sure, insert the debian cd, go to second console, mount your / and /boot and chroot to it (mkdir /mnt/debian; mount ... /mnt/debian; chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash, for example)`
`17:58.56`	`vekpos_`	`hello! im using zsnes, but when im loading a game, the screen just turns black. how can i fix this?`
`17:59.22`	`beardy`	`vekpos_: Check the config?`
`17:59.27`	`awwa`	`how do i chnage where evolution looks for my email? the one on "on this computor"?!`
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`17:59.42`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: so when I get that screen that asks if I want to hit enter or type linux26 for install, I just ALT+CTRL+F2?`
`17:59.50`	`vekpos_`	`and how should i configure it - is it the video mode?`
`18:00.02`	`beardy`	`vekpos_: Probably yes.`
`18:00.08`	`awwa`	`anyone?`
`18:00.18`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: you actually have to boot a little into it first :-)))))`
`18:00.21`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: and after its all done with mounting.. will grub come back?`
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`18:00.33`	`ocaml_man`	`how can i burn iso file to USB pen by windows the iso card from debian boot`
`18:00.39`	`vxp-`	`hey, is the "nice" command useful, on a SMP box ?`
`18:00.39`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: don't pre-ask questions. you can't handle the details up-front all at once`
`18:00.42`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: im a newb.. so I dont know how far I need to get`
`18:01.00`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: and once I boot into linux.. i wont have irc or google`
`18:01.05`	`beardy`	`!confuse me`
`18:01.08`	`dpkg`	`Yes, where was our pineapple today, beardy? shirts of the democracy of belarus with extra cream`
`18:01.12`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: in that case, write down`
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`18:01.41`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: boot into the installer, but don't actually install anything. don't format, don't ... you know, just boot it and once you can press alt-f2 (and it does something), do so`
`18:01.53`	`beardy`	`ocaml_man: An iso file is not for USB sticks. And if you but on it, you do not burn it, only copy it, but it wont be bootable.`
`18:02.03`	`awwa`	`how do i chnage where evolution looks for my email? the one on "on this computor"?!`
`18:02.10`	`ocaml_man`	`ok`
`18:02.16`	`beardy`	`s/but/put`
`18:02.26`	`nkuttler`	`awwa: read the evolution docs?`
`18:02.29`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: then mount your / and /boot (you should know where they are), and chroot into it. once you chroot, you can reinstall grub to the mbr. do you know how to "install grub to the mbr"?`
`18:02.31`	`ocaml_man`	`i dont need to burn its a mistake i need to copy it from iso by windows`
`18:02.44`	`vxp-`	`hey, is the "nice" command useful, on a SMP box ?`
`18:02.44`	`ocaml_man`	`but how can i do this by windows`
`18:02.54`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: no, it was always done automatically for me`
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`18:03.05`	`beardy`	`ocaml_man: Just put the stick in and copy?`
`18:03.09`	`eeyore-`	`dusk: i suppose you could "man grub_install" or whatever it's called under debian`
`18:03.18`	`ocaml_man`	`ok`
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`18:03.24`	`dusk`	`eeyore-: hm, alright, let me give it a try`
`18:03.34`	`foo`	`Ok, this is what I want to be able to do (or try): I want my system to dial out a phone number via the winmodem. When the person on the other end answers the call, I want to be able to play an mp3 ... I'm really just playing around with the idea. Thought it might be kinda cool. Anyone know if this is possible?`
`18:03.36`	`Pit3r`	`hi all`
`18:03.54`	`eeyore-`	`foo: with difficulty`
`18:04.04`	`beardy`	`foo: Is the modem working?`
`18:04.04`	`foo`	`eeyore-: I see. Any idea where I could start? Something to google, maybe?`
`18:04.06`	`eeyore-`	`foo: your modem does not have "line out" per se`
`18:04.24`	`foo`	`beardy: Not yet. I need to reboot into the kernel... just doing some research first`
`18:04.35`	`foo`	`beardy: I know that will be another adventure, though. hehe`
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`18:04.43`	`eeyore-`	`foo: so you have to go from .mp3 to adpcm to Hayes command set for playing back audio content, and god knows if your winmodem has voice commands`
`18:04.51`	`beardy`	`foo: With a winmodem, it's possible nothing will work.`
`18:05.06`	`eeyore-`	`foo: might be easier to play the mp3 and hold the handset next to your speaker. low-tech, but should work`
`18:05.08`	`foo`	`beardy: I see. Hmm, I wonder if I have another modem somewhere.`
`18:05.11`	`beardy`	`foo: Good luck and have fun though :)`
`18:05.15`	`foo`	`beardy: hehe, thanks.`
`18:05.26`	`foo`	`eeyore-: nah, I want to ultimately write a bash script to do it .. if possible.`
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`18:05.37`	`xam`	`ocaml_man: go here: http://www.slysoft.com/en/download.html and download virtual-clone-drive for free`
`18:05.37`	`Gyuszk`	`pill`
`18:05.37`	`eeyore-`	`foo: what you want is "internet line jack" or something similar`
`18:05.42`	`eeyore-`	`foo: forget winmodems`
`18:05.52`	`foo`	`eeyore-: oh, wouldn't I need some type of modem?`
`18:05.58`	`eeyore-`	`foo: google for "asterisk"`
`18:06.20`	`ocaml_man`	`somebody have ASUS M6Ne i need to install Debian in this laptop but i dont know if it will work everything`
`18:06.20`	`beardy`	`eeyore-: Don't you mean phone line jack?`
`18:06.21`	`ocaml_man`	`??'`
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`18:06.30`	`foo`	`eeyore-: Gocha`
`18:06.38`	`eeyore-`	`beardy: "internet line jack" is an actual product, an add-on card, pci`
`18:06.48`	`beardy`	`eeyore-: Ah, ok.`
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`18:07.00`	`beardy`	`But a real modem would work, wouldn't it?`
`18:07.06`	`eeyore-`	`beardy: with difficulty`
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`18:07.21`	`eeyore-`	`beardy: again, it'd have to have hayes voice command set`
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`18:08.27`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: are you still here?`
`18:08.30`	`jade`	`anyone have experience with Plesk on Debian?`
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`18:08.50`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: i am at a # prompt, but I do not know where my / directory is to mount it :(`
`18:08.58`	`SlayerXP`	`jade: i imagine dozens of people do.`
`18:09.04`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: fdisk -l /dev/hda`
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`18:09.26`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: what else should I mount`
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`18:09.39`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: maybe /boot, if you made it a separate partition`
`18:10.04`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: i dont have fdisk it says`
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`18:10.19`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: how could you possibly not have fdisk on debian install cd?`
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`18:10.31`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: i dont know, this is the small netinstall disk`
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`18:10.40`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: fdisk command complains at me`
`18:10.45`	`sylvain_`	`hi is there a tool included in debian to extract DVD iso images?`
`18:11.01`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: you'll have to come up with a suitable means of listing partition table :-)`
`18:11.13`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: i won't handle that kind of low-level details :-) go fix it`
`18:11.16`	`blondie`	`sylvain_: "mount"`
`18:11.27`	`dobby_`	`I want to change the rights for all users when they create a file. I tried to do in /etc/profile with umask 002 but it does not work :(`
`18:11.31`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: try cfdisk`
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`18:12.18`	`eeyore-`	`dobby_: changes to /etc/profile is only for bash, and isn't applicable to already-running bash sessions`
`18:12.32`	`dobby_`	`how can i also sett it for X ?`
`18:12.34`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: nope`
`18:12.42`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: looks like I have to reinstall :( :(`
`18:12.49`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: you do not`
`18:13.05`	`konfusius`	`does anyone know where to get libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 from?`
`18:13.07`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: why dont I have fdisk on my debian install cd!!`
`18:13.11`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: is it impossible for you to locate a suitable livecd for recovery?`
`18:13.16`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: this is very frustrating`
`18:13.27`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: yes, it is very frustrating, but for a different reason`
`18:13.36`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: i have a fedora and freebsd cd`
`18:13.38`	`eeyore-`	`dosk: go download knoppix and burn it`
`18:13.42`	`dosk`	`okay`
`18:13.57`	`wetsand`	`can someone help me add a module to my installer, deb 3.1 sarge`
`18:14.13`	`yoo`	`Hi !`
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`18:16.05`	`dosk`	`version 4.0.2cd?`
`18:16.50`	`dosk`	`gah`
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`18:19.08`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: i let deb cd boot a little more, now i have fdisk.. but.. no hda`
`18:19.17`	`dosk`	`eeyore-: im pretty sure my disk is hdc`
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`18:21.09`	`torc`	`i have 2 maxtor hds, what if i make them raid0 instead of raid1, does the risk of data loss rise really much?`
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`18:22.06`	`dobby_`	`ok I have a real problem now, i change the umask to umask 002 in /etc/login.defs and /etc/profile/ but the right still have rw-r-r ??? Can someone help me please`
`18:22.16`	`chealer`	`wetsand: what exactly are you trying to do?`
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`18:23.21`	`licued`	`I would say make it so users can only create files that they have r/w access to`
`18:23.43`	`foo`	`Ok, when I install a <package> .. sometimes it says, "The following extra packages will be installed" .. now, say I uninstall a package, it just installs that package I select. How can I get it to uninstall the package I select and all other "extra packages" and "new packages" apt installs when I installed the package?`
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`18:24.58`	`chealer`	`foo: you want to check deborphan/debfoster`
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`18:25.56`	`S4nD3r`	`Hi there... Im using sarge, Gnome, when I click in Applications/Debian, all items there are duplicated... How to solve this ?`
`18:25.58`	`S4nD3r`	`do you ??`
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`18:26.56`	`konfusius`	`stop drinking :)`
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`18:27.20`	`slashzul`	`hello`
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`18:28.13`	`karpi`	`hello, Im coming from gentoo, Ive emerged some program, which is smart to run files acording to their mime configuration..`
`18:28.20`	`Ungy`	`S4nD3r, keeop drinking you might have 3 like all normal alcoholica`
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`18:29.11`	`karpi`	`.. I can't remember name of this piece, only i remember is, it origins from debian..`
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`18:29.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`foo: use aptitude instead of apt-get, and aptitude will keep track of it.`
`18:29.19`	`wetsand`	`can someone help me compile 2 modules into the current linux kernel`
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`18:29.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`karpi: it's /etc/mailcap; generally.`
`18:29.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`wetsand: just ask your question.`
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`18:29.50`	`karpi`	`do you someone help me to remember this?`
`18:29.57`	`Ronin`	`karpi: not if you cant`
`18:30.28`	`karpi`	`dondelelcaro, ok Ive already mime configured, only a searching for is...`
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`18:30.49`	`awwa`	`how do i create /var/spool/mail/user ?`
`18:30.51`	`foo`	`dondelelcaro: hmm, ok. thanks, never used that. I'll play around with it`
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`18:31.04`	`AciD`	`Award > touch /var/spool/mail/user`
`18:31.05`	`AciD`	`:\`
`18:31.08`	`karpi`	`... this-program-name /home/somthing/ff/sdf/hjkh.mp3 -> voila according to mime record, xmms appears and plays..`
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`18:31.17`	`awwa`	`AciD: ?`
`18:31.23`	`awwa`	`award?`
`18:31.25`	`AciD`	`(that was a joke)`
`18:31.33`	`awwa`	`how do i create it ?`
`18:31.39`	`Dantix`	`how can I get a complete count of files under a folder and its subfolders?`
`18:31.40`	`prp`	`what would be the best method to backup a debian system to a set of cd's and then from that set of cd's to restore it as fast as posible in case of a system crash/hardware failure ?`
`18:31.41`	`sophacles`	`hi all im trying to get mga_vid to work, with kernel-image-2.6.16-1-k7, ive applied patches etc i found in mplayer support forums, and it compiles, now i cant modprobe it because it says invalid module format, dmesg tells me:mga_vid: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.\n mga_vid: version magic '2.6.12 K7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.12-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0'`
`18:31.46`	`diana`	`Is there a program I can get to help me figure out ways to get my system to boot faster...it seems like it takes a little longer to boot then it should...like for instance it waits for a dhcp when it grabs the network...but can't it load other things while it waits for that(like gdm)`
`18:31.52`	`sophacles`	`any ideas how to fix?`
`18:31.55`	`guru`	`i HATE initrd`
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`18:32.03`	`guru`	`ok, i feel a bit better now`
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`18:32.16`	`eeyore-`	`Dantix: find . -type f \| wc -l`
`18:32.29`	`Dantix`	`eeyore-: thx`
`18:32.30`	`prp`	`diana: take a look in /etc/rc2.d and set that in order you whant`
`18:32.36`	`eeyore-`	`Dantix: Dolby?`
`18:32.52`	`Dantix`	`eeyore-: sorry, thanks`
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`18:33.19`	`cbr`	`i wonder if the xchat package maintainer has died`
`18:33.41`	`cbr`	`because 2.6.0, the new big version has been out for 2 weeks, it's probably a small update to the package but still not at unstable :p`
`18:33.48`	`awwa`	`can anyone help me?`
`18:33.49`	`diana`	`prp: Can I just delete stuff from /etc/rc2.d?`
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`18:34.10`	`prp`	`diana: no, if a link there starts with an`
`18:34.29`	`AciD`	`diana > you don't want to do that`
`18:34.30`	`prp`	`diana: no, if a link there starts with an "S" it will run at boot, with an "s" it will not, the numbers are the order they are loaded`
`18:34.40`	`AciD`	`unless you want to break your debian`
`18:35.25`	`mjk64`	`diana: Try rcconf or update-rc.d`
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`18:35.45`	`diana`	`Do I need "ppp" to load when my system boots?`
`18:35.47`	`diana`	`What is that?`
`18:35.55`	`chealer`	`cbr: yes, your reasoning shows that he must be dead`
`18:36.05`	`cbr`	`chealer: i thought so`
`18:36.05`	`diana`	`I'm using update-rc.d -f foo remove`
`18:36.06`	`karpi`	`heh, yes! mailcap really.. is the answer.. but in G, the name of this package is : run-mailcap .. so I was little mixed.`
`18:36.09`	`diana`	`To stop a service from booting.`
`18:36.13`	`karpi`	`thanx. :)`
`18:36.15`	`AciD`	`diana > connection to internet, basically`
`18:36.18`	`bizkit`	`what is needed to boot a certain kernel? the entry in lilo, the files in /boot, what else? any headers, libs that must be available? or is the kernel-image plus system map enough?`
`18:36.44`	`prp`	`diana: depends if you have a point to point connection or not`
`18:36.45`	`diana`	`AciD: When my laptop loads it takes lik 15 seconds to get an ip from the dhcp..how can I have it continue to load otherstuff while it does that?`
`18:36.50`	`mjk64`	`diana: And rcconf basically does the same, just that it doesn't remove a link, but saves to /var/lib/dunno, so that it can be easily be reactivated later.`
`18:36.57`	`diana`	`prp: I connect to a wireless router.`
`18:37.21`	`AciD`	`bizkit > perhaps you should think about switching from lilo to grub if you plan to compile your own kernel`
`18:37.42`	`prp`	`diana: try to move gdm before dhcp.. it will still take that time but it will load gdm before`
`18:37.56`	`AciD`	`instead`
`18:38.04`	`AciD`	`try moving ppp _after_ gdm`
`18:38.05`	`sophacles`	`how do i have make-kpkg use gcc-4.0?`
`18:38.05`	`foo`	`A`
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`18:38.38`	`diana`	`prp: I just rename the file in /etc/rc2.d?`
`18:38.52`	`prp`	`sophacles: a solution should be to make the default gcc link to 4.0..`
`18:39.10`	`prp`	`diana: yes, but be careful how you rename it..`
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`18:39.50`	`diana`	`prp: http://pastebin.com/434522`
`18:39.54`	`AciD`	`btw, what's the difference between S and K files in rc dir ?`
`18:39.57`	`diana`	`That is what I have in /etc/rc2.d ... what do you recommend?`
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`18:40.08`	`diana`	`yea, I have the same question as AciD also.`
`18:40.23`	`guru`	`what driver should i select for an ATI Rage Mobility?`
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`18:41.10`	`prp`	`i don`
`18:41.12`	`diana`	`guru: What model?`
`18:41.17`	`prp`	`grrr i have a stupid keyboard`
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`18:41.31`	`prp`	`i don't remember seeing any K's in rc2.d`
`18:41.39`	`diana`	`I have them.`
`18:41.44`	`diana`	`prp: You look at my pastebin.com link?`
`18:41.54`	`prp`	`diana: mv S99gdm S10gdm`
`18:41.58`	`guru`	`ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev64) (prog-if 00 [VGA])`
`18:42.08`	`guru`	`that's the result from lspci -v`
`18:42.13`	`diana`	`prp: That won't mess anything up?`
`18:42.17`	`AciD`	`diana > you don' t want to do that`
`18:42.18`	`prp`	`diana: that sgould do the trcik, if it dosen't or if it causes problem you can move it back`
`18:42.32`	`diana`	`AciD: Don't do that command?`
`18:42.35`	`AciD`	`instead you want to put the ppp script after gdm`
`18:42.43`	`AciD`	`not putting gdm before ppp`
`18:42.51`	`djp`	`does sftp, log commands anywhere?`
`18:42.59`	`prp`	`AciD: why is that ?`
`18:43.05`	`guru`	`diana: i'm presuming it's the mach64 driver, correct?`
`18:43.06`	`AciD`	`just in case gdm doesn't need other processes to be launched before it`
`18:43.27`	`konfusius`	`diana, AciD: K=Kill, S=Start`
`18:43.33`	`prp`	`AciD: as i remember it, it dosen't.. but that could be a solution`
`18:44.05`	`diana`	`Well i can always rename it.`
`18:44.06`	`AciD`	`prp > right now I have 11 K* in rc2.d on unstable`
`18:44.13`	`AciD`	`thx konfusius`
`18:44.15`	`diana`	`So I'll try this...and if it breaks I'll just change it.`
`18:44.16`	`prp`	`btw.. anyone has any ideea on this: what would be the best method to backup a debian system to a set of cd's and then from that set of cd's to restore it as fast as posible in case of a system crash/hardware failure ?`
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`18:44.49`	`AciD`	`replicator do that no ?`
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`18:45.03`	`Rickyx`	`How do I mount a initramfs initrd image ?`
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`18:45.09`	`ziupiu`	`'sera`
`18:45.13`	`AciD`	`or partimage`
`18:45.16`	`Rickyx`	`What fs type should I pass ?`
`18:45.27`	`AciD`	`RichiH > cramfs ?`
`18:45.34`	`AciD`	`oops, Rickyx`
`18:45.38`	`Rickyx`	`cramfs doesn't work.`
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`18:45.59`	`Rickyx`	`cramfs: wrong signature is the error`
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`18:46.39`	`RichiH`	`AciD: hmm?`
`18:46.41`	`RichiH`	`ah`
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`18:47.02`	`AciD`	`RichiH > sorry for the disturbing`
`18:47.08`	`sophacles`	`prp, thanks, link worked like a charm`
`18:47.18`	`RichiH`	`AciD: np :)`
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`18:47.28`	`Shack`	`hey`
`18:47.33`	`Shack`	`i have some problems with my apt-get`
`18:47.36`	`Shack`	`look`
`18:47.36`	`Shack`	`Pr�configuration des paquets�...`
`18:47.36`	`Shack`	`dpkg�: ��ldconfig�� introuvable dans la variable PATH.`
`18:47.37`	`Shack`	`dpkg�: ��start-stop-daemon�� introuvable dans la variable PATH.`
`18:47.38`	`Shack`	`dpkg�: ��install-info�� introuvable dans la variable PATH.`
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`18:47.44`	`prp`	`RichiH: as i remember you can't really do that.. if i'm not wrong that is a fs that is loaded before the booting process...`
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`18:47.59`	`Shack`	`sorry it was in french`
`18:48.18`	`prp`	`sophacles: np`
`18:48.36`	`awwa`	`does anyone know where the "on this computor" INBOX in evolution points to??`
`18:48.40`	`RichiH`	`prp: are you guys out to see who can poke me most often? ;)`
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`18:49.06`	`prp`	`RichiH: sorry.. that is what i know`
`18:49.54`	`Shack`	`dpkg�: ��ldconfig�� introuvable dans la variable PATH.`
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`18:49.54`	`Shack`	`dpkg�: ��install-info�� introuvable dans la variable PATH.`
`18:49.55`	`Shack`	`dpkg�: ��update-rc.d�� introuvable dans la variable PATH.`
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`18:50.11`	`RichiH`	`prp: i meant that you can not have meant me with what you said`
`18:50.14`	`diana`	`Thanks a lot prp .. it worked.`
`18:50.16`	`diana`	`I appreciate the help.`
`18:50.23`	`diana`	`prp you cut 40 seconds off my boot time now.`
`18:50.23`	`prp`	`diana: np`
`18:50.33`	`prp`	`RichiH: http://lwn.net/Articles/14776/`
`18:50.44`	`awwa`	`dosent anyone know?`
`18:51.27`	`mtnman`	`awwa: i don't use evolution, but i would imagine you can find out hte default inbox directory by reading the documentation for evolution.`
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`18:52.13`	`awwa`	`mtnman: it dosent say anything`
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`18:52.31`	`mtnman`	`awwa: i find that difficult to believe. which docs have you read?`
`18:52.49`	`awwa`	`well the usermanual`
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`18:53.11`	`mtnman`	`awwa: are you talking about the manpage or the info in /usr/share/doc/evolution?`
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`18:53.34`	`awwa`	`userdocs from the internet`
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`18:53.49`	`sifi`	`how do I compile a script using shc?`
`18:53.52`	`awwa`	`the same as in /usr/share/doc/evo i would think`
`18:53.56`	`awwa`	`but more updated`
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`18:54.32`	`awwa`	`i am happy to read if you find anything on the subject`
`18:54.36`	`wetsand`	`I have two files, megaraid_mbox and megaraid_mm, these are both kernel modules and i need them in my kernel. how do i get them in there?`
`18:54.39`	`awwa`	`cos i cannot find it in any docs`
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`18:54.56`	`mtnman`	`awwa: i have no idea what you are reading online, however the manpage for each program usually lists the files associated with it. i would suggest you read the manpage and also /usr/share/doc/evolution...`
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`18:55.10`	`awwa`	`its the same docs`
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`18:55.45`	`abrotman`	`mjk64: did you look at the PDF ?`
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`18:56.11`	`mtnman`	`awwa: i find it very difficult to believe the user's manual does not describe the info you seek`
`18:56.22`	`l3m`	`is there a way to "autotag" a whole directory full of mp3's ?`
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`18:56.32`	`yxa`	`hi anyone familiar with gpg and pgp?`
`18:56.37`	`wetsand`	`whats the latest linux kernel 2.6 for debian and how do i get it?`
`18:56.42`	`prp`	`dpkg: tell mtnman about module-assistant`
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`18:56.48`	`brosioz`	`modules-assistant don't work more, i go to select module and dont appare anything anyone could help ?`
`18:56.57`	`mtnman`	`prp: why tell me about that?`
`18:57.06`	`l3m`	`wetsand: for stable, testing or unstable? anyway, packages.debian.org will help ou ;)`
`18:57.07`	`nkuttler`	`l3m: easytag?`
`18:57.18`	`l3m`	`thanks`
`18:57.28`	`yxa`	`are keys generated by gpg be able to be en/de-crypted by pgp (commercial version)and vice versa?`
`18:57.34`	`david_`	`Hello, How to build a .deb from source which require an outside built directory like glibc or binutils ?`
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`18:57.48`	`prp`	`mtnman: sorry.. was for wetsand`
`18:57.54`	`mtnman`	`no prob`
`18:58.30`	`wetsand`	`prp, whats module assistant..dmsg messages for some reason arent working for me`
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`18:58.46`	`xfan`	`is there a Debian-way to install Oracle XE ?`
`18:59.01`	`nkuttler`	`david_: hm, get the source package and look what it does?`
`18:59.25`	`prp`	`david_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.ps if you have time to read...`
`18:59.39`	`AciD`	`xfan > <troll>why would you want to install a proprietary software when postgresql rules ?</troll>`
`18:59.44`	`RichiH`	`xfan: if it has a debian/rules included, yes`
`18:59.55`	`david_`	`prp: they don't talk about that kind of build`
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`19:00.05`	`migiel`	`if i want to install debian on a 64bit amd process, should i use "ia64" then ?`
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`19:00.15`	`migiel`	`processor*`
`19:00.33`	`david_`	`nkuttler: not sure I understand what you are saying.`
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`19:01.17`	`nkuttler`	`david_: apt-get source binutils`
`19:01.17`	`RichiH`	`migiel: amd64`
`19:01.34`	`RichiH`	`migiel: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/amd64/beta1/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso`
`19:01.40`	`Himmler`	`WEINAK YA LIAR`
`19:01.46`	`migiel`	`RichiH: thanks :)`
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`19:01.56`	`BlueWings`	`how do I tell apt-get to install suggested and recommended packages as well when I am installing a package? or is that not done through apt-get?`
`19:01.56`	`RichiH`	`migiel: np`
`19:01.58`	`migiel`	`i was just looking for that one`
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`19:02.01`	`david_`	`nkuttler: But if I want a new version of it ?`
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`19:02.09`	`Himmler`	`LiarR`
`19:02.09`	`stjepan`	`one offtopic questoin, pls. How to devoice an unregistered user?`
`19:02.12`	`Himmler`	`hi babeeeeeee`
`19:02.14`	`xfan`	`postgresql rules ok, but i want to tray all the database, ... thats not a crime`
`19:02.17`	`xfan`	`all the database's`
`19:02.21`	`fernando_`	`algun espa�ol`
`19:02.30`	`theine`	`Is there a way to boot into the initial ramdisk and get a minimal ash prompt?`
`19:02.34`	`nkuttler`	`!es`
`19:02.34`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`19:02.35`	`RichiH`	`xfan: if you just want to 'try', oracle is not for you`
`19:02.38`	`mtnman`	`stjepan: afaik, you must be a chanop to devoice anyone`
`19:02.55`	`konfusius`	`someone succeeded in transfering video files to 5g ipod?`
`19:02.56`	`RichiH`	`oracle and db2 are enterprise-grade professional systems`
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`19:03.05`	`stjepan`	`mtnman: of course I am`
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`19:03.27`	`Daedalus_`	`Can someone tell me how to rollback a file in cvs?`
`19:03.28`	`mtnman`	`stjepan: you are an op and asking in the channel how to devoice someone?`
`19:03.39`	`fernando_`	`join debian es`
`19:03.39`	`stjepan`	`yeah :)`
`19:03.52`	`Ronin`	`fernando_: didnt we go through this yesterday?`
`19:03.57`	`fernando_`	`joiin`
`19:03.59`	`nkuttler`	`fernando_: /join #debian-es`
`19:04.10`	`Ronin`	`good luck nkuttler`
`19:04.15`	`mtnman`	`stjepan: try asking in #freenode`
`19:04.17`	`fernando_`	`join /#debian es`
`19:04.24`	`nkuttler`	`nice troll`
`19:04.25`	`Ronin`	`fernando_: stop it, you know what to do`
`19:04.29`	`takatumi`	`stjepan: /msg chanserv help voice`
`19:04.36`	`fernando_`	`como diablos`
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`19:04.59`	`xfan`	`I just want to 'try' Oracle XE for a week`
`19:04.59`	`fernando_`	`algun espa�ol`
`19:05.20`	`xfan`	`fernando_ : entra en #debian_es`
`19:05.21`	`abrotman`	`fernando_: no habla espanol aqui .. va a #debian-es ... /join #debian-es`
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`19:05.34`	`xfan`	`eso, #debian-es`
`19:05.49`	`Ronin`	`heh good luck guys`
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`19:06.50`	`fernando_`	`#debian es`
`19:07.12`	`fernando_`	`#debian -es`
`19:07.21`	`S4nD3r`	`Hi there... Im using sarge, Gnome, when I click in Applications/Debian, all items there are duplicated... How to solve this ?`
`19:07.26`	`Ronin`	`fernando_: /join #debian-es`
`19:07.26`	`rossi`	`anyone can help me to setup wlan for my notbook ?=? the modules is loaded`
`19:07.31`	`Ronin`	`i know you can do it`
`19:07.40`	`rossi`	`iwconfig gives me wirelesext`
`19:07.59`	`nkuttler`	`rossi: did you read man iwconfig?`
`19:08.00`	`rossi`	`and I have made iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc`
`19:08.07`	`rossi`	`and it is connected`
`19:08.17`	`rossi`	`now i make ifup wlan0`
`19:08.22`	`nkuttler`	`!tell rossi about enter`
`19:08.27`	`abrotman`	`stop hitting enter after every third word`
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`19:09.00`	`wx9j`	`where can I find a list of the urls for repositories for scources.list ??`
`19:09.12`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: run apt-setup`
`19:09.35`	`wx9j`	`again nkuttler thanks,`
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`19:10.03`	`mike36`	`hi a quick question what file do i need to be able to write to to set up quotas`
`19:10.04`	`mike36`	`?`
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`19:11.26`	`rossi`	`I make ifup wlan0 and in /etc/network/interfaces I have iface wlan0 inet dhcp`
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`19:12.12`	`wx9j`	`hey nkuttler , got that going, but how do I get the unstable stuff as well`
`19:12.22`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: you don't`
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`19:13.03`	`rossi`	`but it fails to bring up wlan0 -- I have wlan access here only and under winshit it works if you open the browser and try to surf to a page there comes a page where you can log in with your l/p`
`19:13.23`	`rossi`	`the wlan is not crypted`
`19:13.27`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: /msg dpkg sid faq`
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`19:13.50`	`nkuttler`	`rossi: you may need to add essid and channel information to your config`
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`19:15.06`	`nkuttler`	`rossi: if in doubt ask the network admin`
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`19:16.02`	`wx9j`	`not sure what to do with that last one nkuttler`
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`19:16.30`	`rossi`	`nk it has the cell info and and finds the access point`
`19:16.31`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: dpkg is a bot, /msg him`
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`19:16.47`	`nkuttler`	`rossi: but?`
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`19:17.09`	`wx9j`	`Ok thanks`
`19:17.19`	`myren`	`if i remember right, you need special USB hubs to chain a hub to a hub`
`19:17.32`	`ohad`	`hi`
`19:17.34`	`myren`	`do they both need the special hardware, or just one?`
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`19:18.02`	`rossi`	`well I think I have something wrong in /etc/network/interfaces from the logic I think i should have a line in there with iface wlan0 inet dhcp`
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`19:18.27`	`Oryn`	`myren: I just plugged a 2nd hub into the one I had with no problem`
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`19:18.49`	`myren`	`nice.`
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`19:18.50`	`Oryn`	`myren: I also have a 7 port usb hub thats just 2 4 port hubs`
`19:18.57`	`wx9j`	`thanks nkuttler this should keep me for a bit`
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`19:19.04`	`myren`	`it'll make setting up my car computer far easier`
`19:19.08`	`rossi`	`the wlan here is ad-hoc and with no key you login via your browser with l/p`
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`19:19.37`	`rossi`	`that should be dhcp right ?? (sry for enter)`
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`19:19.56`	`blondie`	`rossi: probably not DHCP`
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`19:20.09`	`cbr`	`Intel is starting to give support for Debian`
`19:20.13`	`blondie`	`(is there a dhcp server for the wireless clients?)`
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`19:20.57`	`rossi`	`what line should than stand in the /etc/network/interfaces? ??`
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`19:21.16`	`djp`	`does anyone know if sftp keeps a log of commands typed?`
`19:21.19`	`mauxiq`	`hola?`
`19:21.20`	`blondie`	`well replace dhcp with static`
`19:21.31`	`blondie`	`mauxiq: english please`
`19:21.40`	`blondie`	`and then you need several lines for ip address etc`
`19:21.42`	`mauxiq`	`alguien que hable spainsh?`
`19:21.46`	`blondie`	`man interfaces for details`
`19:21.47`	`blondie`	`!es`
`19:21.47`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`19:22.04`	`rossi`	`blondie but no student here has his own static ip`
`19:22.05`	`liable`	`rossi: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gz`
`19:22.06`	`Tchiak`	`if i try to run ttysnoops it says can't open pty, Segmentation fault.. what is this and how might i fix this problem?`
`19:22.12`	`blondie`	`rossi: then you need dhcp`
`19:22.28`	`rossi`	`yes i think so`
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`19:22.31`	`blondie`	`but that means you need a dhcp server -- which does not work with adhoc networks`
`19:22.37`	`mauxiq`	`donde?`
`19:22.41`	`blondie`	`mauxiq: shush`
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`19:23.18`	`thingfish`	`mauxiq: /join #debian-es para ayuda en espanol.`
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`19:23.59`	`mauxiq`	`#debian-es`
`19:24.10`	`migiel`	`where can i do a bug report for apt-get?`
`19:24.31`	`liable`	`!reportbug`
`19:24.31`	`Tchiak`	`i'm having a problem using the ttysnoop package on debian.. when i type ttysnoops <username> I get the error Can't open pty, Segmentation fault. What causes this and how can i fix it?`
`19:24.31`	`dpkg`	`i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug.`
`19:24.32`	`nkuttler`	`migiel: /msg dpkg bts, check if it's already reported`
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`19:25.10`	`migiel`	`ok thanks`
`19:25.52`	`blondie`	`Tchiak: stop being so nosey :P`
`19:25.58`	`Tchiak`	`>_>`
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`19:26.13`	`Tchiak`	`i've given a guy temporary root to fix a problem and i wanna make sure he doesn't make anymore`
`19:26.26`	`blondie`	`:)`
`19:26.49`	`beardy`	`Tchiak: That's wrong in the first place.`
`19:26.50`	`Jayk`	`noob question: trying to set up my monitor sync and im having no luck can anyone point me in the right direction`
`19:27.18`	`RichiH`	`Tchiak: you NEVER EVER give someone root on your box unless you are able to walk over and punch him in the face`
`19:27.27`	`marculix`	`Jayk: superprobe`
`19:27.38`	`yure`	`hy, how do i hide home dir from other users (for all users), by default`
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`19:27.47`	`beardy`	`Jayk: Check your monitors back, or if you have some docs for it, or google, using as much infoas possible, name and model and such.`
`19:28.02`	`caphuso`	`yure: /etc/adduser.conf`
`19:28.11`	`blondie`	`Tchiak: I think you're using it wrongly`
`19:28.18`	`blondie`	`http://www.linuxhelp.ca/guides/ttysnoop/`
`19:28.23`	`cahoot`	`Jayk: might also try hwinfo --monitor`
`19:28.35`	`blondie`	`RichiH: of course not`
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`19:28.36`	`beardy`	`blondie: The manual would also work I'll guess.`
`19:29.03`	`blondie`	`probably :P`
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`19:29.32`	`blondie`	`RichiH: I'd like to see my boss punching staff in the face.`
`19:29.48`	`tchino`	`how can I reactivate the shate of windows in kde, it take a long time, when i switch between windows`
`19:29.57`	`mike_sol`	`hey, any idea if using software raid mirroring would speed up my disk reads at all? i know writes would be the same (assuming the drives are on seperate ide channels), but reads could see an advantage, right?`
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`19:30.12`	`RichiH`	`blondie: heh`
`19:30.13`	`blondie`	`mike_sol: no not really`
`19:30.22`	`mike36`	`im trying to set up quota on my box but when i come to add a user limit what file do i need to eidt`
`19:30.30`	`mike_sol`	`damn`
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`19:33.02`	`diana`	`I'm trying to have my mozilla-mplayer package(which works fine with firefox)...I want to have it use w32codecs that I downloaded from marillat...I'm not sure what to put in /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf ... there are no commented lines with docs...or anything...how can I have the mplayer plugin use the binary formats that most websites use...so I can watch movies on websites?`
`19:33.07`	`slibs`	`any idea when i run any manpage i can't browse them up or down with arrowkeys and with pagedown and page up, all i can do is press spacebar?`
`19:33.26`	`blondie`	`because you're using more instead of less to view them`
`19:33.28`	`mike_sol`	`slibs, do you have less installed`
`19:33.29`	`blondie`	`is less installed?`
`19:33.55`	`slibs`	`seems that it wasn't`
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`19:34.22`	`slibs`	`well now it is, and now it works, thanks :)`
`19:34.40`	`emergo`	`I installed phpbb2 but cant find it on apache ! http://localhost doesnt show it. Where can I find ?`
`19:34.48`	`wx9j`	`nk`
`19:34.53`	`wx9j`	`nk`
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`19:35.21`	`wx9j`	`nkuttler, rather than changing stable to unstable, can I just include an new set of lines with unstable and search both ?`
`19:36.11`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: stable will be ignored. i seriouly recommend you use stable. why do you want unstable?`
`19:36.22`	`diana`	`emergo: lol`
`19:36.33`	`nkuttler`	`emergo: /usr/share/doc/packagename`
`19:36.38`	`diana`	`emergo: You have to make a webpage and implement phpbb2`
`19:36.55`	`emergo`	`diana: oh, hmm`
`19:37.05`	`adii`	`ain't vlc gettable with apt when using ETCH ?`
`19:37.09`	`emergo`	`so its not "runnable" out of the box`
`19:37.14`	`Faust`	`anyone here use reiser`
`19:37.15`	`Faust`	`?`
`19:37.45`	`mike_sol`	`faust, yeah`
`19:37.56`	`wx9j`	`cause I am using this to learn, I run ubuntu, know next to nothing and hate bugging you guys every five min.`
`19:37.57`	`Faust`	`is it reliable in sarge and sid?`
`19:38.24`	`tchino`	`switch off shadow at every window-application in kde???`
`19:38.29`	`mike_sol`	`it's 'fairly' reliable. i've never had big problems, and i love it. some people have problems. but it should be stable on stable or anything newer`
`19:38.34`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: for ubuntu questions go to #ubuntu please`
`19:38.36`	`rossi`	`ad-hoc is that with accesspoint?`
`19:38.51`	`the_empty`	`adii, thats got copyright issues`
`19:38.52`	`abrotman`	`Faust: you can't use reiser and reliable in the same sentence`
`19:38.52`	`brt`	`hello`
`19:39.02`	`wx9j`	`I know that nkuttler , I was asking abou this system it is debian`
`19:39.15`	`wx9j`	`have more than one box nkuttler`
`19:39.16`	`the_empty`	`!marillat`
`19:39.18`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>`
`19:39.27`	`brt`	`does anyone know what this means (appeared in my syslog): kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)`
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`19:39.39`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: usually we don't do unstable support here. better to learn debian with a stable system. you can still upgrade later.`
`19:39.42`	`Faust`	`mike_sol: just wondering if ubuntu might have better support because it's more recent. I rather have debian though.`
`19:39.44`	`the_empty`	`adii, thats the source you need to add to get VLC`
`19:39.54`	`Faust`	`because that is what I started with`
`19:39.56`	`guru`	`what config options should be set for framebuffer support?`
`19:39.57`	`konfusius`	`can anyone help me remapping some audio channels so they're in the "right place"?`
`19:39.57`	`wx9j`	`understand, thanks`
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`19:40.01`	`emergo`	`diana: I installed the deb packages. still have to implement it some`
`19:40.11`	`mike_sol`	`Faust, are you wanting reiserfs (3), or reiser4?`
`19:40.43`	`Iconsumed`	`I'm trying to install debian sarge to my sisters laptop... however it has a problem with starting the x-server`
`19:41.00`	`Faust`	`mike_sol: what ever sarge and sid install with. I assume they bith install with 3. I read that 4 is unstable.`
`19:41.02`	`valdyn_`	`Faust: reiserfs is just as supported in debian as in ubuntu`
`19:41.18`	`Iconsumed`	`it's a compaq armada e500 and I don't know what videocard it has...`
`19:41.32`	`mike_sol`	`Faust, reiserfs 3 is stable enough for production use in my eyes. the reiserfsprogs in stable should be pretty up to date, so go ahead with it`
`19:41.32`	`wx9j`	`nkuttler, the entire quest here was to get tomboy installed, the dependences where too much for me`
`19:41.36`	`xfan`	`whats the most "stable" filesystem now ?`
`19:41.53`	`valdyn_`	`xfan: fat16 probably`
`19:41.59`	`mike_sol`	`until i can get reiser4 in the kernel, i won't consider it to be production. even though i've followed THAT particular debate on the LKML far too closely`
`19:42.01`	`caphuso`	`valdyn_: heh`
`19:42.04`	`xfan`	`fat16 suks`
`19:42.15`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: check backports.org, apt-get.org, /msg dpkg easy sid backport`
`19:42.19`	`mike_sol`	`as far as stable FS, IBM JFS or SGI XFS are both very stable and have good tools`
`19:42.24`	`caphuso`	`xfan: yes, but it does so in a very reliable way :)`
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`19:42.45`	`mike_sol`	`!umsdos`
`19:42.45`	`dpkg`	`a linux partition that fits over top of ms-dos, without destroying your ms-0dos/win filesystem. read the umdos-howto. good for testing linux or having a small distro on a small hd running dos if you don't want to delete all your parnd`
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`19:43.05`	`xfan`	`and the second most "stable" filesystem now ?`
`19:43.14`	`caphuso`	`umsdos is dead`
`19:43.21`	`Faust`	`just to add a bit of info, they are be stable on pc, but reiserfs and xfs on ppc is junk`
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`19:43.41`	`Faust`	`but I concerned with pc right now anyway`
`19:43.49`	`caphuso`	`well, unless you use a 2.0 kernel...`
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`19:45.22`	`larsioa__`	`Anybody know a good free webhosting panel?`
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`19:45.28`	`guru`	`is sid still the unstable or is it etch now?`
`19:45.39`	`caphuso`	`guru: sid is always unstable`
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`19:45.43`	`guru`	`ok`
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`19:45.55`	`wx9j`	`thanks for all the info nkuttler ,`
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`19:46.22`	`bizkit`	`i've just setup a minimal base system with debootstrap, which has no kernel. what do i need to copy into this base system to be able to boot it with my actual kernel and its modules etc.?`
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`19:46.31`	`nkuttler`	`wx9j: np`
`19:46.31`	`caphuso`	`bizkit: a kernel`
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`19:46.53`	`guru`	`i'm having a hell of a time getting framebuffer support working again`
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`19:47.18`	`Berry_i`	`reinstall`
`19:47.25`	`Berry_i`	`do a fresh install`
`19:47.26`	`guru`	`Berry_i: i have...twice`
`19:47.29`	`darth_cb`	`i am running sarge, i installed samba and linneighborhood but linneighborhood doesnt run, any ideas?`
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`19:47.38`	`Berry_i`	`and dont play with it again if you don't know what you are doing`
`19:47.44`	`Berry_i`	`thats asking for trouble`
`19:48.03`	`awwa`	`anyone using evolution?`
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`19:48.11`	`guru`	`Berry_i: i had it working for the 2.6.12 kernel but unfortunately there is no working orinoco driver with the rfmon patch for 2.6.12`
`19:48.16`	`Berry_i`	`yes i use pro evolution 5`
`19:48.22`	`awwa`	`how did you do so that your INBOX in "on my computor" in evolution can view your mailbox/or /var/spool/mail/user ?!`
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`19:48.35`	`bizkit`	`caphuso: my actual kernel is self compiled and not the debian way. so i got the sources, the /lib/modules/$(uname -r), the kernel image and the System.map - when i copy these into the minimal base system, it it all i need to boot this system with my current kernel?`
`19:48.47`	`awwa`	`Berry_i:`
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`19:48.58`	`guru`	`bizkit: yeah sounds right`
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`19:49.05`	`caphuso`	`bizkit: a properly configured bootloader will be helpful too`
`19:49.05`	`Berry_i`	`don't know its standard issue in pro evo 5 :)`
`19:49.11`	`guru`	`my next resort is lfs`
`19:49.11`	`delire_kino`	`anyone else here ping de.debian.org?`
`19:49.16`	`bizkit`	`caphuso: that for sure..`
`19:49.23`	`caphuso`	`delire_kino: it's down`
`19:49.32`	`delire_kino`	`caphuso: damn, cheers`
`19:49.32`	`Berry_i`	`hence the pro awwa`
`19:49.34`	`Berry_i`	`:)`
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`19:50.03`	`awwa`	`Berry_i: huh where did you get that?`
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`19:50.11`	`valdyn_`	`delire_kino: it should be debian.de.org`
`19:50.25`	`caphuso`	`valdyn_: huh?`
`19:50.27`	`takatumi`	`valdyn_: >`
`19:50.31`	`delire_kino`	`valdyn_: why?`
`19:50.46`	`Berry_i`	`awwa it came with my pc`
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`19:50.56`	`Berry_i`	`its a company machine`
`19:51.04`	`Berry_i`	`i bought it from a company`
`19:51.16`	`awwa`	`Berry_i: huh? is it apatch you have or what?`
`19:51.34`	`Berry_i`	`i dont even know where they got it awwa`
`19:51.41`	`Berry_i`	`it just works`
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`19:52.29`	`SuperSox`	`Hey, I have a problem with a box running sarge, it keeps randomly locking up - first the mouse goes, then the keyboard, I think it could be related to alsa as it seems to exhibit this behaviour after I get that all up and running, but I don't see anything in the logs after it locks up, any suggestions? (AMD64/Sata hard disk/USB mouse and keyboard)`
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`19:52.53`	`juancarlos`	`hello`
`19:52.57`	`dusk`	`hi, how can I install these ttf and pcf fonts I just downloaded?`
`19:53.25`	`valdyn_`	`delire_kino: no reason, just b/c i had never heared about that and its not the typical debian mirror naming.`
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`19:53.47`	`juancarlos`	`I'm a 17 years old spanish user of linux. I not speak english very well, sorry!`
`19:53.54`	`takatumi`	`valdyn_: it is. :)`
`19:54.01`	`SuperSox`	`I also can't install a 2.6 kernel on it due to a pivot_root error I get at boot which I can't seem to resolve (Although I have read of many people having the same problem)`
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`19:54.39`	`SuperSox`	`oh, and migrating to 'testing' causes 2.4 kernels not to boot due to the same error also`
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`19:55.15`	`caphuso`	`valdyn_: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list`
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`19:56.20`	`Py`	`It seems that to get firebird jdbc driver to work, I need to have the library libjaybird2.so installed. But can't find which package to install to get it. Is it available in one?`
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`19:56.24`	`_Saback_`	`Hi All, I have a big problema with my Debian Sarge 3.1`
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`19:56.50`	`_Saback_`	`I have 2 Xeon Processor but I guess the system is using just one`
`19:56.53`	`juancarlos`	`I have a problem: I have a pentium 4 pc and debian ubuntu 5.10. The problem is this: I have a hard disk of 250 Gb, but when I install debian sarge, in the first ejecution, grub give me a error. Help me, please.`
`19:56.59`	`asg`	`_Saback_: install a -smp kernel image`
`19:57.03`	`_Saback_`	`At top I get that:`
`19:57.05`	`SuperSox`	`juancarlos: ask in #unbuntu`
`19:57.11`	`_Saback_`	`Cpu0 : 1.0% us, 2.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 4.3% id, 0.0% wa, 87.7% hi, 5.0% si`
`19:57.11`	`_Saback_`	`Cpu1 : 6.6% us, 35.5% sy, 0.0% ni, 57.5% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% si`
`19:57.11`	`_Saback_`	`Cpu2 : 6.0% us, 33.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 59.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% si`
`19:57.12`	`_Saback_`	`Cpu3 : 4.7% us, 34.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 59.8% id, 0.3% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% si`
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`19:57.15`	`wx9j`	`nkuttler, should I be able to boot from disc 4 ?`
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`19:57.24`	`SuperSox`	`juancarlos: oh my appologies, you said install debian sarge`
`19:57.36`	`asg`	`_Saback_: it's using both in HT mode so 4 show`
`19:57.43`	`_Saback_`	`yes`
`19:57.45`	`dusk`	`how can I just the fonts I just downloaded with xorg?`
`19:57.46`	`SuperSox`	`juancarlos: is it a sata hard disk by any chance?`
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`19:57.55`	`james_`	`xandros 3.02 install stops at 90% , suggestions?`
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`19:57.56`	`asg`	`dusk: dpkg -L <pkg>`
`19:57.59`	`asg`	`james_: #xandros`
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`19:58.14`	`_Saback_`	`but I get processor /1 /2 and /3 most of time as idle`
`19:58.21`	`xfan`	`james_ : dont stop, install 100% xD`
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`19:58.26`	`_Saback_`	`and /1 at 100%`
`19:58.40`	`juancarlos`	`No, the hard disk have a IDE interace`
`19:58.42`	`dusk`	`asg: xorg?`
`19:58.51`	`asg`	`_Saback_: look at 'vmstat 5' see if the 'r' column shows >1 for sustained periods.`
`19:58.55`	`james_`	`???`
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`19:58.59`	`SuperSox`	`juancarlos: humm what is the error you are getting?`
`19:59.01`	`asg`	`dusk: whatever package(s) you apt-get installed.`
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`19:59.15`	`Mr-R`	`_Saback_: one process can only run on one cpu. try multi-threading applications`
`19:59.15`	`james_`	`stops at runtime`
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`19:59.19`	`abrotman`	`james_: as in .. this channel is for debian .. you're using xandrox .. go to #xandros`
`19:59.27`	`dusk`	`asg: i downloaded them from proggy_fonts`
`19:59.28`	`james_`	`90% complete`
`19:59.29`	`_Saback_`	`77:42.86 ksoftirqd/0 <-> 0:16.48 ksoftirqd/1 <-> 0:07.74 ksoftirqd/2 <-> 0:08.23 ksoftirqd/3`
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`19:59.36`	`asg`	`james_: we don't know, we don't run xandros. Their installer is different. Ask them.`
`19:59.43`	`asg`	`!pubtime`
`19:59.43`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/`
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`19:59.54`	`_Saback_`	`yes, it's 1`
`19:59.55`	`Ronin`	`almost asg almost`
`20:00.01`	`james_`	`which channel, thx anyway`
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`20:00.13`	`abrotman`	`asg: enjoy`
`20:00.14`	`wx9j`	`should I be able to boot up from disc 4`
`20:00.26`	`Ronin`	`james_: the one named after your distro`
`20:00.26`	`maatttt`	`can debian run from a 512mb drive ?`
`20:00.33`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`20:01.00`	`maatttt`	`can install it from net iso, or is there a lite version ?`
`20:01.05`	`dusk`	`abrotman: do you know how I can get my downloaded .ttf and .pcf fonts to work?`
`20:01.06`	`james_`	`thx, just a lonely newb trying to learn`
`20:01.06`	`_Saback_`	`The application is "Asterisk" that is multithreat`
`20:01.47`	`juancarlos`	`the error is this: GRUB ERROR (and a number that not remember in this time)`
`20:01.54`	`valdyn`	`dusk: copy them to ~/.fonts/`
`20:02.10`	`SuperSox`	`juancarlos: write down the error then type into google "GRUB ERROR " and the number`
`20:02.47`	`abrotman`	`dusk: i'm 100% the wrong person to ask about fonts .. my life would be complete if all fonts were monospace :)`
`20:02.58`	`_Saback_`	`asg: yes, the result is 1`
`20:03.14`	`Ungy`	`damn I added that new IP and now I can;t reach the box`
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`20:04.13`	`dusk`	`abrotman: they ARE monospace fonts :D`
`20:04.34`	`Ungy`	`dusk no there should only be monospace`
`20:04.36`	`dusk`	`abrotman: i copied them all to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ (im using xorg)`
`20:04.37`	`licued`	`monospace font?`
`20:04.39`	`licued`	`lol`
`20:04.44`	`licued`	`sounds like something on the moon`
`20:04.59`	`abrotman`	`dusk: ok .. let me rephrase .. i think fonts are silly .. i use the defaults :)`
`20:05.00`	`dusk`	`typed xset fp rehash.. but still wont come up in fonts`
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`20:05.38`	`bouma`	`hey guys, i'm trying to get my linux system to boot, i reinstalled windowsxp on another hdd but the bios boot path was set on my linux system and now both hdds boot windows .. oh noes`
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`20:06.05`	`juancarlos`	`I go to eat. in 30 minutes I will operative`
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`20:06.19`	`bouma`	`essentially i have to change the active partition on on the linux drive, under xp?`
`20:06.50`	`bouma`	`but nt diskmanager doesnt recognise my linux /boot partion /dev/hda1`
`20:07.55`	`mike_sol`	`bouma, this is where a livecd comes in handy`
`20:07.59`	`bouma`	`indeed`
`20:08.00`	`mike_sol`	`burn yosself a knoppix`
`20:08.11`	`bouma`	`i wish i had a f* floppy that worked`
`20:08.18`	`bouma`	`tomstrb would probably work?`
`20:08.32`	`mike_sol`	`maybe, i havent used tom's in a while. should have an fdisk on it`
`20:08.40`	`bouma`	`i'm begining to rthink run tomsrtbt under vmware`
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`20:08.55`	`mike_sol`	`can vmware see your partition table? i dunno if i'd trust that?`
`20:09.06`	`Ungy`	`damn so maybe when I added that new IP I shoudl have added a new gateway for it to use`
`20:09.16`	`bouma`	`bugger why want xp, hey can i use the xp installed cd as a "live cd" to "rescue" does it have fdisk on it ?`
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`20:09.19`	`bizkit`	`debootsrapped a sarge base system. configured it. now i want to copy in my actual kernel. how? is this enough (plus the entry in the boot loader!) -> cp -a /boot /sarge/boot; cp -a /lib/modules/$(uname -r) /sarge/lib/modules ???`
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`20:09.43`	`bouma`	`straight console fdisk should be able to set any normal [1.4] partition active shouldnt it?`
`20:09.51`	`mike_sol`	`yes`
`20:09.54`	`VictorPolo`	`hola hola holahosjdlkasjdlk sadjaskldjsalkdjsalkdjsa SJKDSJAKDSAJDKSAJDKSADSAJ DSAJK`
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`20:10.04`	`mike_sol`	`!ops ban VictorPolo`
`20:10.05`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban VictorPolo`
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`20:10.15`	`bouma`	`hm, i'm going to try tat`
`20:10.22`	`Chris1`	`hi all`
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`20:10.54`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: should be enough, though some settings will use links in / to boot`
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`20:11.49`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: you mean vmlinuz and such links to the kernel image in boot?`
`20:12.00`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: yea`
`20:12.18`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: i dont use that.. you probably dont either, no idea`
`20:12.19`	`bizkit`	`ok, if thats all i can figure out...`
`20:12.31`	`awwa`	`tell me a thing, if i run a cronjob as a regular user, will it do so even if i havent logged in to the computor?`
`20:12.44`	`abrotman`	`it should`
`20:12.51`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: you probably want to chroot to your debootstrapped debian and apt-get install module-init-tools and whatever else..`
`20:13.21`	`awwa`	`"should" :)`
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`20:13.47`	`valdyn`	`awwa: sure it will`
`20:15.04`	`valdyn`	`awwa: cron will traverse /var/spool/cron/crontabs/, no matter who's logged in`
`20:15.58`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: got this already. anything else you can remeber i need to boot the kernel?`
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`20:16.55`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: nothing really, its quite easy to do, provided you have the understanding of how this works you seem to have..`
`20:16.57`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: one question about the "fake start-stop-daemon" in the debootstrapped system. do i need to replace it by anything or will it automatically work when directly booted into this system? i need a running sshd or else i won't be able to do anything..`
`20:17.20`	`ohad`	`something is odd.. now that i have connected using vpnc i can not resolve those internal addresses that i have put in my /etc/hosts file. it seems to disreagrd that file. ideas why?`
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`20:18.14`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: should just work, though i dont know this fake start-stop-daemon you're talking about.`
`20:18.34`	`zOap`	`a nice iso mounting app? anyone know about one?`
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`20:18.50`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: a debbootrapped system differs from a 'real' install only in the number of packages being instaled by default ( deboostrap sure is much less )`
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`20:19.35`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: when i chroot myself into this system and install a service like ssh using apt-get the init script starts this daemon. but i'm in the deboostrapped system which is in my running system. i don't know how, but perhaps start-stop-daemon just don't work if it detects that i'm chrooted?`
`20:19.39`	`ohad`	`anyone?`
`20:19.54`	`mentor`	`that looks suspiciously like it won't work`
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`20:20.30`	`mentor`	`Yeah, I suck.`
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`20:21.07`	`cr3`	`when I run alsactl -d restore, I get: No state is present for card Modem`
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`20:21.26`	`Gyuszk`	`re`
`20:21.31`	`cr3`	`I've searched /var/log and Google for hints to fix this problem but no luck, perhaps someone on irc could give me a lead where to look.`
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`20:22.32`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: that's probably just a conflict with things running in your primary system`
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`20:22.59`	`mirak`	`I was wondering what proportion of network admin is aware that it's possible to ssh tunnels throught proxy using https ?`
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`20:23.09`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: you're right. i've checked it with another service and it works..`
`20:23.18`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: resources may be blocked and that may be indicated by lockfiles ( which dont exist in your chroot ), same for /tmp stuff`
`20:23.42`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: iows, starting services in chroots isnt per se a good idea`
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`20:24.50`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: and there's no good fix for this.. since some /tmp entries or locks should be shared, some should not.`
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`20:25.19`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: so: base system with kernel installed in /sarge. what i'm going to do now is edit /etc/lilo.conf in the real system and just add a copy of the actual entry with just the root parameter changed to the partition /sarge lies on. then i copy lilo.conf into /sarge/etc and run lilo out of the real system (i think from within chroot it won't work?)`
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`20:26.19`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: no idea how lilo does this. anyway this should work, as long as both kernels are identical`
`20:26.43`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: i use grub for this and just manually enter whatever when booting`
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`20:27.07`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: and another one: i need the network up and running. so i just copied /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces into the /sarge system, right? anything i forgot?`
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`20:27.50`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: i don�t have physical access. i debootstrapped this sarge system into my swap partition. then i boot into my swap and can partition the rest of the disc. everything without physical access..`
`20:27.52`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: ifupdown is installed in your chroot?`
`20:28.17`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: yes`
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`20:28.52`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: i cant give you a definite answer if this will work or not, naturally, so make sure you have a way to boot to your old system...`
`20:29.46`	`Laibsch`	`Hi, I use ftp.freenet.de as a mirror in sources.list. In aptitude, I always get a warning that the GPG signatures are invalid. I prefer freenet.de mirrors since they are my DSL provider and I like to keep demands on the network as low as possible. Is there a know problem with the freenet.de mirrors?`
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`20:30.41`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: the only way i can ensure this is to say lilo to just boot into this new system only for the next boot and adding a panic=30 to the arguments. so if this system panics, it will reboot into the old one. it it don't panic and ssh / networking is down.. i'm .. you know ... hehe`
`20:31.05`	`valdyn`	`Laibsch: 'apt-key list', is Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) there?`
`20:31.38`	`l3m`	`what's a good client for binary newsgroups?`
`20:31.43`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: oh, add a cronjob for that`
`20:32.08`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: well, thats a good idea thanks.`
`20:32.18`	`Py`	`does someone know of a firebird related channel somewhere?`
`20:32.30`	`ohad`	`i have a problem with my localhost. when i try to ping it it does not give back anything`
`20:32.37`	`slibs`	`any idea how to reboot alsa?`
`20:32.53`	`ohad`	`also when i try to get to hit apache http://localhost/`
`20:32.56`	`ohad`	`i get nothing`
`20:32.56`	`valdyn`	`slibs: why would you want to do that?`
`20:33.03`	`ohad`	`ideas how to resolve this issue`
`20:33.03`	`ohad`	`?`
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`20:33.18`	`slibs`	`valdyn: when i got back from hibernate mode sound isn't working anymore`
`20:33.30`	`ohad`	`when i try to ping localhost it resolves to 127.0.0.1 and just hangs`
`20:33.36`	`ohad`	`ideas how to resolve this isse?`
`20:33.41`	`valdyn`	`slibs: you use usb sound?`
`20:33.48`	`slibs`	`valdyn: no`
`20:33.54`	`Laibsch`	`valdyn: Thank you for your answer. The one from 2004 and the one from 2005 is there.`
`20:34.00`	`slibs`	`this is thinkpad laptop`
`20:34.41`	`valdyn`	`Laibsch: i believe something might be wrong with the freenet mirror then, do other mirrors work completely?`
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`20:34.56`	`Laibsch`	`valdyn: I can try.`
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`20:35.15`	`utis`	`how to find out what memory page file size is? what size blocks are in linux?`
`20:35.18`	`karsten`	`Any GRUB mavens who can tell me what the "timeout" option to the "terminal" line does? info doesn't give me any love.`
`20:35.37`	`karsten`	`utis: /proc/meminfo is a good start.`
`20:35.39`	`valdyn`	`slibs: /etc/init.d/alsa <tab> <tab>`
`20:35.48`	`valdyn`	`slibs: /etc/init.d/alsa <enter>`
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`20:36.01`	`juancarlos`	`SuperSox, in this version of debian are the package of lilo?`
`20:36.06`	`deadcat`	`karsten: i did some minor changes to my PS1, pretty nice now (=`
`20:36.08`	`utis`	`karsten, I tried, but couldn't find size of a page :(`
`20:36.32`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Do tell.`
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`20:36.53`	`karsten`	`deadcat: BTW, on excellent authority, shirts will be appearing in the near future, no idea if they're general distribution.`
`20:36.55`	`deadcat`	`karsten: /path/to/a/long/ass/dir becomes /path/.../ass/dir on the prompt`
`20:36.56`	`lightbright`	`hi`
`20:37.00`	`lightbright`	`how can I change a whole directories permissions? chown ???`
`20:37.06`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Cool.`
`20:37.09`	`lightbright`	`sorry ownership`
`20:37.10`	`karsten`	`lightbright: -R`
`20:37.15`	`karsten`	`lightbright: ... same answer.`
`20:37.15`	`valdyn`	`slibs: which thinkpad is this?`
`20:37.20`	`deadcat`	`karsten: cool. lets hope i get the shirt the next time o go to the meeting. (=`
`20:37.26`	`slibs`	`valdyn: 600x`
`20:37.39`	`lightbright`	`karsten: I meant ownership`
`20:38.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: what was that last time you said about ubuntu now supporting zd211 or whatever our wireless card is?`
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`20:38.08`	`Quickimaster\|sof`	`hello`
`20:38.10`	`karsten`	`utis: man (2) getpagesize`
`20:38.14`	`lightbright`	`karsten: chown -R username ?`
`20:38.14`	`karsten`	`lightbright: Same answer.`
`20:38.19`	`karsten`	`lightbright: man chown.`
`20:38.39`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: i said that it recognize the card and iwconfig shows stuff. atleast on x86.`
`20:38.51`	`Quickimaster\|sof`	`how can i compile mysql4.1.15standard on debian?`
`20:39.02`	`abrotman`	`why would you ?`
`20:39.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`Quickimaster\|sof: just use the mysql-server-4.1 package.`
`20:39.23`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: does ubuntu have different distributions?`
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`20:39.40`	`bizkit`	`is there a way to add a cron job which has to run n Minutes after boot?`
`20:39.43`	`slibs`	`valdyn: seems like something would be blocking alsa to restart, do you know how to check if there are programs like that?`
`20:39.45`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: they have kubuntu, ubuntu, edubuntu, and xbuntu i think`
`20:39.47`	`abrotman`	`TwistedEmotions: ask #ubuntu`
`20:39.59`	`bizkit`	`or do i have to make a init script with sleep?`
`20:40.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Ahhh..`
`20:40.14`	`karsten`	`bizkit: clarify`
`20:40.17`	`Quickimaster\|sof`	`i don't want the standard config, it should be a litle bit different but i get an error when i try to do it`
`20:40.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`abrotman: sorry ;( just wanted to ask cause deadcat was talking aobut it earlier so I knew he knew ;)`
`20:40.35`	`juancarlos`	`I have a question: in debian sarge, are the package lilo?`
`20:40.35`	`doleyb`	`bizkit: cron is for repetitive things. What you can do is in a startup script, run "at", which sets a 1 time job`
`20:40.37`	`pureone`	`whats the correct chmod for /tmp ?`
`20:40.40`	`valdyn`	`slibs: probably whatever uses /dev/dsp`
`20:40.41`	`Laibsch`	`valdyn: debian.tu-bs.de works without a problem.`
`20:40.50`	`karsten`	`bizkit: You _can_ run cron jobs _at_ boot, and have them sleep utnil some time to run.`
`20:40.52`	`ziupiu`	`pureone, 1777`
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`20:41.02`	`pureone`	`thanks ziupiu :)`
`20:41.05`	`Laibsch`	`valdyn: Should I inform ftpmaster@?`
`20:41.06`	`blondie`	`drwxrwxrwt`
`20:41.07`	`valdyn`	`slibs: i dont use that anymore , but i still have 'IncompatibleDevices /dev/dsp'`
`20:41.26`	`pureone`	`yeah i couldnt figure out what made the t at the end`
`20:41.43`	`karsten`	`doleyb: cronhas a '@reboot' time option. man (5) crontab`
`20:41.47`	`deadcat`	`karsten: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20051118_15623.png`
`20:41.49`	`valdyn`	`Laibsch: sure i guess`
`20:41.49`	`awwa`	`anyone running courier-maildrop ?`
`20:41.52`	`awwa`	`is there a way to get courier-maildrop to send mail via a smtp?`
`20:42.04`	`Laibsch`	`valdyn: OK, I will do that.`
`20:42.08`	`blondie`	`isn't all mail sent by smtp?`
`20:42.17`	`Quickimaster`	`in the past it was installed on the following location when i'm correct: /usr/local/mysql (the user mysql has is mysql) but now it isn't that dir anymore :S`
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`20:42.36`	`karsten`	`blondie: All SMTP mail is. You can have other transports, eg: uucp, but they're rarely used these days.`
`20:42.39`	`abrotman`	`Quickimaster: what error ?`
`20:42.41`	`licued`	`awwa that's a crazy question`
`20:42.41`	`deadcat`	`karsten: of course that screenshot dont show much diff since its just 1 dir in the ..., but if the pwd is LONG, it will only show 3 level`
`20:42.43`	`licued`	`lol`
`20:42.53`	`blondie`	`karsten: ok, all non obsolete mail ;p`
`20:42.58`	`[11aa]`	`!tell [11aa] about xorg`
`20:43.24`	`karsten`	`blondie: ... and there's fetchmail (pop), imap, a few other transports, as well as webmail. Those mostly refer to end-stage delivery though.`
`20:43.34`	`Quickimaster`	`testbak:/home# find mysql`
`20:43.34`	`Quickimaster`	`find: mysql: No such file or directory`
`20:43.39`	`karsten`	`Any GRUB mavens who can tell me what the "timeout" option to the "terminal" line does? info doesn't give me any love.`
`20:43.43`	`blondie`	`I wouldn't call those "sending"`
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`20:43.56`	`karsten`	`Quickimaster: find / -name mysql`
`20:44.11`	`karsten`	`Quickimaster: ... or 'locate mysql' if you have slocate installed.`
`20:44.21`	`Chris1`	`whereis mysql`
`20:44.38`	`Quickimaster`	`slocate installed`
`20:44.41`	`pem3v78`	`I wonder if I can say how much data my router has sent/received. It uses atm.`
`20:44.50`	`karsten`	`!win chris1`
`20:44.51`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, chris1! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!`
`20:44.51`	`Quickimaster`	`warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory`
`20:45.04`	`pem3v78`	`I can see how many cells it sent/recv but no counter in bytes`
`20:45.10`	`valdyn`	`Quickimaster: run updatedb`
`20:45.13`	`caphuso`	`Quickimaster: updatedb`
`20:45.14`	`pem3v78`	`is it possible to compute it ?`
`20:45.21`	`pem3v78`	`maybe snmp has more info ?`
`20:45.23`	`blondie`	`pem3v78: is this a router running debian?`
`20:45.25`	`karsten`	`Quickimaster: /etc/cron.daily/slocate`
`20:45.28`	`pem3v78`	`no`
`20:45.34`	`karsten`	`Quickimaster: ... and if that's not present, aptitude install slocate.`
`20:45.35`	`pem3v78`	`it's hardware`
`20:45.43`	`blondie`	`"hardware"`
`20:45.47`	`blondie`	`all routers are software based`
`20:46.03`	`pem3v78`	`yes, software on diffrent hardware :)`
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`20:46.11`	`blondie`	`anyway, #debian mightn't be the best place to ask :)`
`20:46.17`	`pem3v78`	`3com 3crwdr100A`
`20:46.27`	`juancarlos`	`hello`
`20:46.35`	`pem3v78`	`I thought maybe some network people are here too`
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`20:46.57`	`Quickimaster`	`warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory`
`20:46.58`	`deadcat`	`nope. just leechers`
`20:47.07`	`abrotman`	`pem3v78: check the manual .. i'm sure it's router dependent`
`20:47.08`	`foo`	`apt-get update && apt-get -t stable upgrade is valid, right?`
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`20:48.10`	`marek23`	`Hello, I'm doing a project for a parallel programming class, and want to experiment with the mutex code in pthreads. As such I would like to make changes to the libc6 source package, build it and swap it in and out with the standard libc6 package. Unfortunately, the libc6 source package contains a lot of patch files, and it seems to me to me that I would want to patch the source before I start hacking away. Is there a way that I can do this and`
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`20:48.18`	`pem3v78`	`the manual goes go deep enough :(`
`20:48.22`	`ohad`	`i can't ping localhost / 127.0.0.1`
`20:48.23`	`ohad`	`ideas why?`
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`20:48.32`	`Gyuszk`	`error msg?`
`20:48.38`	`blondie`	`lo is disabled?`
`20:48.39`	`abrotman`	`marek23: and what ?`
`20:48.48`	`abrotman`	`ohad: firewall ?`
`20:48.52`	`pem3v78`	`I'll have to play a bit with snmp, but isn't the atm cell supposed to be the same size always ?`
`20:49.10`	`ohad`	`abrotman, i don't have any firewall.. not that i know.. ipchains?`
`20:49.23`	`blondie`	ohad: does lo appear in `ifconfig` ?
`20:49.43`	`abrotman`	`ohad: ipchains/iptables ...`
`20:49.44`	`marek23`	`abrotman: I don't get what you're asking`
`20:49.51`	`ohad`	`blondie, it does not`
`20:49.56`	`abrotman`	`marek23: Is there a way that I can do this and ... that's all we got`
`20:50.00`	`blondie`	`marek23: neither do we -- your essay was truncated`
`20:50.07`	`blondie`	`ohad: try ifconfig lo up`
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`20:50.20`	`marek23`	`... and still use dpkg-buildpackage to create the package?`
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`20:50.25`	`^Belen^`	`holas`
`20:50.34`	`^Belen^`	`algun latino`
`20:50.44`	`sidizen`	`!espanol`
`20:50.44`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`20:50.45`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`20:50.45`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`20:50.51`	`ziupiu`	`ohad, echo '0'>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all`
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`20:51.16`	`AciD`	`!francais`
`20:51.16`	`dpkg`	`Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr`
`20:51.31`	`valdyn`	`marek23: apply the patches yourself, remove them ( truncating them to 0 length might save you work fixing debian/rules )`
`20:51.32`	`awwa`	`how do i make getmail not get dubbles? i want it not to delete the server side mails`
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`20:51.34`	`arthurb`	`Hi... I installed sun's jdk using java-package and the like... it seems installed but "java -version" still points to gcj... according to various howtos on javba-package, this shouldn't happen... anyone knows what to do ?`
`20:51.35`	`RichiH`	`i need a pppoe server that uses radius for its user settings. suggestions, recommended readings, whatnot?`
`20:51.36`	`AciD`	`!svenska`
`20:51.42`	`arthurb`	`!ancient_greek`
`20:51.49`	`AciD`	`sucka.`
`20:51.53`	`heinous`	`I am wondering if anyone has seen an odd problem with openldap and TLS where on a debian system, users can't finger themselves (come up with "I have no name@hostname") or others unless they have read access to the ssl key used for the server?`
`20:51.53`	`arthurb`	`!binary`
`20:51.54`	`dpkg`	`from memory, binary is base 2, a way of coding numbers using only 0 and 1 digits instead of base 10, which has 0, 1, ... 9`
`20:51.57`	`ohad`	`blondie, ok. it's up.`
`20:52.03`	`karsten`	`arthurb: Set your path to the new install. 'which java'`
`20:52.07`	`AciD`	`!hexadecimal`
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`20:52.19`	`arthurb`	`karsten: hum is that it ?`
`20:52.21`	`blondie`	`ohad: then it should work now; check in /etc/network/interfaces that it has "auto" by lo`
`20:52.23`	`ohad`	`blondie, Link encap:Local Loopback inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1`
`20:52.23`	`ohad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:52.23`	`ohad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:52.25`	`ohad`	`eekk`
`20:52.26`	`ohad`	`sorry`
`20:52.35`	`arthurb`	`I mean will Ooo and the like only use the binaries in that path on not some weird gcj library ?`
`20:52.38`	`blondie`	`try pinging localhost now`
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`20:53.03`	`Quickimaster`	`where can i find the total list off all things that are available using apt-get?`
`20:53.26`	`djp`	`does anyone know if sftp keeps a log of commands typed?`
`20:53.27`	`blondie`	`packages.debian.org`
`20:53.40`	`karsten`	`arthurb: ... you can also set IIRC JAVA_HOME`
`20:53.47`	`blondie`	`or perhaps apt-cache search *`
`20:53.47`	`valdyn`	`Quickimaster: in the Packages file(s)`
`20:53.58`	`karsten`	`arthurb: Dunno if that's it, you tell me. It's my suggestion, however.`
`20:54.04`	`arthurb`	`ok`
`20:54.08`	`arthurb`	`bash.bashrc for that ?`
`20:54.10`	`Quickimaster`	`valdyn > are they somewhere online?`
`20:54.14`	`Quickimaster`	`ok`
`20:54.23`	`valdyn`	`Quickimaster: or in /var/lib/dpkg/available`
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`20:54.34`	`blondie`	`Quickimaster: I said... packages.debian.org`
`20:54.34`	`karsten`	`Quickimaster: /var/lib/apt/lists/`
`20:54.35`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`deb ftp://ftp.upsa.es/software/debian/pxes1.0/`
`20:54.45`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`is correct thata address`
`20:54.46`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`?`
`20:54.49`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`deb ftp://ftp.upsa.es/software/debian/pxes1.0/`
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`20:55.06`	`karsten`	`Quickimaster: Easier likley to search for something in particular: apt-cache search, apt-file search, or aptitude intractive search.`
`20:55.16`	`Gyuszk`	`re`
`20:55.33`	`arthurb`	`nope`
`20:55.49`	`arthurb`	`set JAVA_HOME to /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun`
`20:55.50`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`i am finding a repository for pxes`
`20:55.52`	`arthurb`	`doesn't work`
`20:56.07`	`arthurb`	`or maybe do I ALSO have to set the path`
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`20:56.17`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`20:57.56`	`SuperSox`	`I'm using an amd64 and a sata drive, 2.6 kernels won't boot they fail with a pivot_root error on boot (I'm not running the amd64 port) I've seen this error documented but I can't seem to figure out a solution, anyone else had this problem?`
`20:58.06`	`abrotman`	`!pivot root`
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`20:58.11`	`abrotman`	`hrm .. maybe that was`
`20:58.14`	`abrotman`	`!dev console`
`20:58.20`	`valdyn`	`!test`
`20:58.20`	`dpkg`	`No, valdyn, you're not online any more.`
`20:58.23`	`abrotman`	`ok .. maybe none of those`
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`20:58.44`	`abrotman`	`ah .. !devconsole`
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`20:59.31`	`bizkit`	`how would an init script that sleeps 10minutes then doesn an shutdown -r now look like?`
`20:59.34`	`ohad`	`blondie, should i reboot ? it still doesn't work`
`20:59.50`	`ohad`	`blondie, when i ping localhost`
`21:00.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: why do that? just shutdown -r +10`
`21:00.05`	`netbrain`	`I have a question, i just recently installed java 1.5 (jdk1.5) and placed the self extracting archive in /usr/local. my question is this: how can i make the files in /usr/local/java1.5/bin dir executable by normal users without haveing to add the entire path to the command line?`
`21:00.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 806] by debhelper`
`21:00.27`	`abrotman`	`!tell netbrain about install java`
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`21:00.50`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: perfect. thanks. can i use this in e.g. /etc/rc2.d/S99rebootme.sh ? (#!/bin/bash) on top and chmod a+x`
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`21:00.59`	`outlaw84`	`netbrain: create symbolic links into /usr/bin for java, javac, appletviewer`
`21:01.34`	`vbo`	`is there any issue with coreutils in sid at the moment?`
`21:01.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: you could, but I've no idea why you'd ever want to do that. What are you actually trying to do?`
`21:01.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`vbo: if there is, there will be bugs filed.`
`21:01.55`	`guru`	`udev_0.074-2_i386 fails to install in sid...does anyone know of a workaround for this?`
`21:02.05`	`marek23`	`valdyn: I'm trying to find the code that does that patching in rules. It doesn't seem to be there. Do you ideas where it might be?`
`21:02.08`	`vbo`	`dondelelcaro: figured as much.`
`21:02.15`	`guru`	`it's failing to create a symbolic link for some reason`
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`21:02.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`guru: there's a -3 package already`
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`21:02.31`	`ziupiu`	`ohad, what "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all" does return?`
`21:02.40`	`abrotman`	`what! .. udev .. messed up! .. impossible!`
`21:02.42`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: this is the last chance if network is down to reboot into my old system..`
`21:02.59`	`guru`	`dondelelcaro: same thing with -3`
`21:03.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: ah; yeah, that'd work.`
`21:03.08`	`ohad`	`ziupiu, 0`
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`21:03.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: I personally would do a @reboot shutdown +10; in root's crontab; but whatever works.`
`21:03.46`	`guru`	`i'm upgrading from sarge`
`21:03.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`guru: check the bts; file a bug; and/or give us the full and complete output.`
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`21:04.13`	`mhall`	`Woohoo, I've risen to the top of kingsley_'s list. I are t3h win.`
`21:04.23`	`ohad`	`blondie, i think i'm going to reboot`
`21:04.41`	`mistik1`	`what is the proper kernel upgrade proceedure for debian?`
`21:04.43`	`ziupiu`	`ohad, ok, and "ping localhost" what does return?`
`21:04.49`	`ohad`	`ziupiu, nothing`
`21:05.00`	`ohad`	`ziupiu, i am going to try and reboot`
`21:05.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`guru: you're using a kernel > 2.6.12, right?`
`21:05.11`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: is this entry right?`
`21:05.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`mistik1: apt-get install new-kernel;`
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`21:05.25`	`mistik1`	`I ask because I dont know if there are debian specific kernel patches`
`21:05.27`	`mhall`	`oof`
`21:05.27`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: as root crontab -e and just add "@reboot shutdown +10" ?`
`21:05.32`	`guru`	`dondelelcaro: no, 2.6.8 - have to upgrade udev to install 2.6.14`
`21:05.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: yerp; man 5 crontab;`
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`21:05.55`	`[11aa]`	`What is included in solaris that makes it so big a distro...(asking because i try to openstaroffice and atrts an installer that fails upon copying from the *.ps files to tha hard drive...) perhaps i don't have all the cds needed`
`21:05.59`	`valdyn`	`guru: eh?`
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`21:06.05`	`ziupiu`	`ohad, and iptables -nvL ?`
`21:06.11`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: wouldn't it be @reboot shutdown -r +10`
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`21:06.16`	`valdyn`	`guru: no, you have to uprade kernel to use new udev, not vice versa`
`21:06.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: errr... yeah.`
`21:06.29`	`guru`	`i'm running kernel 2.6.8 and upon trying to install 2.6.14 it says it must upgrade udev first`
`21:06.34`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: ok, thanks`
`21:06.36`	`guru`	`valdyn: should i hold back udev?`
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`21:07.07`	`mhall`	`guru: you can always uninstall udev`
`21:07.10`	`dondelelcaro`	`shrug; run dist-upgrade until the errors stabalize, then give us the full and complete output of the run.`
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`21:07.33`	`[11aa]`	`i ask thsi because debian can have more than that os`
`21:07.36`	`bizkit`	`dondelelcaro: the messages that shutdown produces every 1min.. is this a problem?`
`21:07.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`bizkit: they'll just get mailed to you`
`21:08.18`	`guru`	`mhall: ok`
`21:08.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`[11aa]: shrug; we don't have much to do with slowaris. Use Debian instead.`
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`21:08.59`	`[11aa]`	`i use debian on 2 systems now`
`21:09.07`	`[11aa]`	`i have woody and sarge`
`21:09.17`	`abrotman`	`and this has what to do with solaris ?`
`21:09.22`	`[11aa]`	`i want also debian on a macintosh`
`21:09.30`	`abrotman`	`on PPC or m68k ?`
`21:09.57`	`[11aa]`	`but were unable to get the woody distro for a 5400/200 now i cant find it`
`21:10.25`	`Chris1`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4447538.stm`
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`21:10.40`	`[11aa]`	`i have it here with me i partitioned the disk and cant make the install`
`21:10.52`	`abrotman`	`Chris1: that's not very debian-ish news :)`
`21:10.55`	`[11aa]`	`someone mentioned that i should get woody`
`21:11.02`	`Chris1`	`wrong chan, sorry`
`21:11.05`	`[11aa]`	`but where is it`
`21:11.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`[11aa]: if you want it on a macintosh, get sarge; boot it, partition it, and install.`
`21:11.21`	`Gyuszk`	`by`
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`21:11.48`	`sts`	`hello folks`
`21:12.10`	`sts`	`where can i find mod_proxy for apache 1.3 under debian stable?`
`21:12.10`	`[11aa]`	`i have the sarge ppc disks`
`21:12.27`	`abrotman`	`[11aa]: try #debianppc`
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`21:12.39`	`abrotman`	`is the 5400 even PPC ?`
`21:12.42`	`_Red_`	`enas`
`21:12.42`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`what is the error in this line`
`21:12.44`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`21:12.54`	`Award`	`I just tried upgrading my nvidia 53xx version drivers to 7164. When I did (I built a custom .deb from nvidia-kernel-source and installed the current (stable) nvidia-glx, and nvidia-kernel-common. Bootup happened ok, the kernel module loaded ok, but when I ran startx, I got "Failed to load kernel module: nvidia" "kernel module: nvidia already in kernel". But the same happens if I "modprobe -r nvidia; startx". Switching back to`
`21:12.54`	`Award`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:12.55`	`_Red_`	`que sistemas de archivos recomiendan?`
`21:12.55`	`[11aa]`	`yes it is wghats called oldworld`
`21:13.02`	`lipfi`	`hi`
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`21:13.14`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`21:13.14`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`21:13.25`	`[11aa]`	`ext3 is the one for sarge RED`
`21:13.41`	`thc`	`!kingsleysmite abrotman`
`21:13.42`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: You're nothing but an ase fcking b*ob!`
`21:14.10`	`mhall`	`Award: ok there is probably a glitch somewhere in X config`
`21:14.21`	`lipfi`	`just want to report problems with http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ and http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/`
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`21:14.27`	`mhall`	`Award: please retry this from the start with the NVIDIA .run file`
`21:14.33`	`mhall`	`Award: one sec`
`21:14.36`	`mhall`	`Award: more info to follow`
`21:14.42`	`abrotman`	`thc: why you!!!`
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`21:14.59`	`lipfi`	`ftp.debian[foor] didn't answere, and the ftp2.debian[foo] server has empty dirs`
`21:15.07`	`mike_sol`	`any idea what package suExec is in for apache 1.3x ?`
`21:15.08`	`dusk`	`which kernel image should I use for K7 debian etch?`
`21:15.13`	`Award`	`mhall: "glitch" meaning "somehting missing or not needed for new drivers that didn't apply to old ones" I assume.`
`21:15.20`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: a K7 image :)`
`21:15.22`	`dusk`	`i just tried to module-assistant for alsa.. but it failed to locate the headers`
`21:15.30`	`mike_sol`	`never mind`
`21:15.31`	`mhall`	`Award: i'm thinking maybe old file did not get overwritten properly`
`21:15.32`	`Award`	`mhall: I'd guess it has something to do with Section: "Device" Driver "nvidia" likely.`
`21:15.42`	`mhall`	`Award: nah driver nvidia is OK`
`21:15.43`	`dusk`	`supersox: yea.. im using 2.6.14-2.. but running into some weird prolems.. should I downgrade to -1?`
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`21:15.47`	`Award`	`mhall: ok`
`21:15.49`	`mhall`	`Award: but perhaps files it uses are not right`
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`21:16.08`	`mhall`	`Award: you could ls -Rlt the X dir to look for leftovers`
`21:16.09`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: humm no idea - sorry, what problems are you getting?`
`21:16.13`	`Award`	`mhall: Oh, you know what. I think I know what the problem may be.`
`21:16.23`	`mhall`	`Award: do tell!`
`21:16.27`	`Award`	`mhall: If X is running when you change the glx driver, I wonder if it locks it from being overwritten..`
`21:16.30`	`dusk`	`supersox: before i updated, I could run module-assistant PREPARE, now it says it cant find any headers`
`21:16.32`	`KingDevil`	`hello pplz`
`21:16.39`	`abrotman`	`!ppl`
`21:16.39`	`dpkg`	`I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many?`
`21:16.43`	`dusk`	`supersox: and my sound doesnt work ;p`
`21:16.44`	`Award`	`mhall: I installed glx from within x.`
`21:16.51`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: have you got the kernel headers package downloaded for the kernel?`
`21:17.06`	`dusk`	`supersox: i think so.. says I do anyway`
`21:17.08`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: try running 'alsaconf' as root`
`21:17.19`	`Award`	`mhall: I MAY remember that being an issue once before...`
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`21:17.38`	`dusk`	`supersox: dont have it`
`21:17.41`	`mhall`	`Award: yeah that can cause issues`
`21:17.47`	`mhall`	`Award: one tip for you to try`
`21:17.48`	`Award`	`mhall: It's rare a file is "locked" because it's in use, but the glx drivers are far from normal files.`
`21:18.00`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: apt-get install alsa-utils I think`
`21:18.01`	`mhall`	`Award: unpack nvidia run file with --extract-only option`
`21:18.06`	`Award`	`mhall: I'll drop from X and retry and see what happens.`
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`21:18.10`	`lipfi`	`can anyone tell me what's up with http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/`
`21:18.10`	`mhall`	`Award: then cd into driver tree and run make install`
`21:18.21`	`mhall`	`Award: i've not found a single method superior to the nvidia makefile`
`21:18.31`	`mhall`	`Award: it seems that for me it works right 100% of the time`
`21:18.33`	`abrotman`	`lipfi: ask #debian-amd64 ?`
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`21:19.12`	`Award`	`mhall: I'll give that a shot if all else fails.`
`21:19.32`	`Award`	`mhall: I'd like to get the dpkg system working first though (or a friend will kill me who insists on debianizing everything :) )`
`21:19.48`	`dusk`	`supersox: that worked yea, but sound still doesnt`
`21:20.05`	`mhall`	`Award: where is he? i'll smite him`
`21:20.10`	`dusk`	`supersox: get a "failed to open audio outpu: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin"`
`21:20.11`	`Award`	`mhall: debianizing the kernel and video drivers seems a bit overkill to me, but I started the system with that method so I should at least try to maintain it for him :)`
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`21:20.29`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: humm, you perhaps need the alsa-modules then too`
`21:20.42`	`pi-meson`	`oh my, is someone else having alsa problems ?`
`21:20.45`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: best bet is to apt-cache search for them then install the one that matches your kernel`
`21:20.53`	`Award`	`mhall: Hehe yeah, I'd like to do the same :)`
`21:21.01`	`Award`	`mhall: I'll drop from X and try again.`
`21:21.07`	`Award`	`mhall: be back in a minute :)`
`21:21.07`	`dusk`	`supersox: heh, only 2.4`
`21:21.09`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: alsa never works w/o problems`
`21:21.11`	`mhall`	`Award: g'luck`
`21:21.17`	`licued`	`lol`
`21:21.18`	`SuperSox`	`dusk: doh! :)`
`21:21.20`	`pi-meson`	`I just did a dist-upgrade and broke my alsa :(`
`21:21.22`	`licued`	`yea I'm abotu to have to install alsa`
`21:21.24`	`dusk`	`supersox: yea :L`
`21:21.29`	`licued`	`I had CRAZY issues with it before`
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`21:21.39`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: if you can i urge you to consider using 2.6 kernel`
`21:21.49`	`pi-meson`	`oh, yea, this is 2.6.12`
`21:21.50`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: it's the first kernel i have used where alsa didn't cause a problem`
`21:21.53`	`SuperSox`	`mhall: yeah, I'm having alsa problems too - if it works, my box hangs at random, if the kernel modules aren't loaded it obviously doesn't work, but the box doesn't crash :)`
`21:21.58`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: hmm 2.6.12, is the module loaded`
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`21:22.06`	`cmg_`	`does anyone here use Orkut? (from Google)`
`21:22.12`	`licued`	`Orkut?`
`21:22.22`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: do you have alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils`
`21:22.27`	`row`	`what does "aal5-decode: crc check failed" mean?`
`21:22.28`	`mhall`	`cmg_: i do but ECHAN`
`21:22.31`	`pi-meson`	`so, the snd_ modules are the alsa ones, right? like snd_intel8x0?`
`21:22.37`	`row`	`its flooding logs`
`21:22.41`	`cmg_`	`orkut.. the social network thing google bought a year or so ago`
`21:22.46`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: yeah correct and you must have those packages i said`
`21:22.48`	`Romeu_`	`I need?`
`21:22.51`	`pi-meson`	`didn't have alsa-oss, actually`
`21:22.56`	`cmg_`	`mhall, got an invite i can have?`
`21:23.04`	`mhall`	`cmg_: s/google bought/a google engineer developed/g`
`21:23.07`	`pi-meson`	`alsamixer gives: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory`
`21:23.11`	`mhall`	`cmg_: yeah pm me email`
`21:23.17`	`cmg_`	`mhall.. kinda both right?`
`21:23.29`	`mhall`	`cmg_: no he used his 20% spare research time to do it`
`21:23.38`	`mhall`	`cmg_: so it was always theirs`
`21:23.41`	`cmg_`	`mhall, ahh cool`
`21:24.09`	`mhall`	`cmg_: also if you are not registered to nickserv you can't pm`
`21:24.14`	`mhall`	`cmg_: in which case post to #mhall`
`21:24.38`	`cmg_`	`mhall .. thanks.. im slightly retarded with IRC`
`21:24.52`	`mhall`	`cmg_: s'alright i still am and i've used it since 1998`
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`21:25.07`	`pi-meson`	`so with the modules installed, I'm a bit confused why it doesn't work`
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`21:25.34`	`cmg_`	`mhall, I used IRC since 1993 actually.. but i havent been on more than a few dozen times since`
`21:26.04`	`dusk`	`how can I completly get rid of an old kernel?`
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`21:27.02`	`yuacht`	`anyone who can guide me through recording a macro and using it on x-display 0:1 using xmacro? tried and didn't success`
`21:27.28`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: yeah probably devices missing`
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`21:27.39`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: better go into dev and run ./MAKEDEV audio`
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`21:27.47`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: also make sure to add your user to audio group`
`21:27.53`	`licued`	`I have a question for someone...is there any really big, corperate companies that use linux for nearly everything, including routingfirewall/db/ect`
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`21:28.26`	`mhall`	`licued: presumably`
`21:28.30`	`ziupiu`	`licued, google?`
`21:28.30`	`iluciv`	`Can you rerun the inital setup ultility`
`21:28.35`	`valdyn`	`licued: sixt?`
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`21:28.37`	`pi-meson`	`yup, ran ./MAKEDEV audio from within /dev, no such luck; i'm also a member of the audio group, although I'm trying all of this as root just to be extra sure`
`21:29.04`	`mhall`	`licued: but problem is if you do lots of fiber routing you need more throughput`
`21:29.10`	`mhall`	`licued: and have to go cisco or juniper`
`21:29.12`	`Silent_al`	`installing Mplayer on etch from Unstalbe sources, possible? or is it just me who couldnt install it ?`
`21:29.14`	`licued`	`ahhh`
`21:29.14`	`mhall`	`licued: since 3com gave up`
`21:29.21`	`abrotman`	`or died :)`
`21:29.35`	`mhall`	`abrotman: i seem to remember it being them being lazy`
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`21:29.44`	`mhall`	`abrotman: bot this was around dot-bomb`
`21:29.47`	`mhall`	`abrotman: so it's been a bit`
`21:30.00`	`valdyn`	`Silent_al: why would you want to do that?`
`21:30.05`	`abrotman`	`they thought they owned netowrking .. then they started sucking`
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`21:30.09`	`mhall`	`abrotman: honestly bob fucking metcalfe was their guy and he inventing the shit`
`21:30.16`	`iluciv`	`i.e after a fresh install I've set something up wrong that won't allow gnome to start properly I can log in but I just have a grey screen and it goes no further so I would like to reconfigure everything`
`21:30.16`	`mhall`	`abrotman: they should have been able to pull through`
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`21:30.27`	`row`	`Do what exactly? If your looking to implement pppoe you probably want to start with reading RFC's 2364 (PPP over AAL5) and RFC 2516 (PPPoE) and see if you understand how the encapsulation works.`
`21:30.29`	`row`	`oops`
`21:30.31`	`row`	`sorry wrong channel`
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`21:30.41`	`Silent_al`	`valdyn, i want Mplayer , couldnt find it in the testing sources`
`21:30.47`	`pi-meson`	`now this is odd; I don't see any of the devices as I would expect, but I see them in /dev/.static/dev/`
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`21:31.07`	`valdyn`	`Silent_al: marillat has sarge / etch / sid mplayer, compiled, just for you`
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`21:31.09`	`abrotman`	`mhall: i don't recall the last time i heard someone say "3com is the bestest!" :)`
`21:31.26`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: you have udev don't you`
`21:31.27`	`ziupiu`	`!mplayer`
`21:31.27`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>`
`21:31.28`	`valdyn`	`Silent_al: mind, use 'etch' literally, not 'testing'`
`21:31.31`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: uninstall that shit asap`
`21:31.55`	`pi-meson`	`See, I'm worrying that indeed, I do have udev`
`21:32.13`	`pi-meson`	`I thought udev was The Way and The Light, and devfs was old and busted`
`21:32.15`	`mhall`	`~tell me about mplayer legal saga`
`21:32.27`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: well udev _should_ be the way and the light`
`21:32.27`	`pi-meson`	`but I'm really... well, i'm really not sure how this all happened as the result of the dist-upgrade`
`21:32.31`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: but it's not`
`21:32.39`	`valdyn`	`pi-meson: in udev, if a device node doesnt exist, then there's no such device, making the node would be pointless`
`21:32.41`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: as for devfs it never was the way and the light`
`21:32.41`	`Silent_al`	`valdyn , i tried marillat , thats what i got`
`21:32.42`	`pi-meson`	`given this was all working 30 min ago, and I haven't changed kernels`
`21:32.43`	`Silent_al`	`Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have`
`21:32.43`	`Silent_al`	`requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable`
`21:32.43`	`Silent_al`	`distribution that some required packages have not yet been created`
`21:32.43`	`Silent_al`	`or been moved out of Incoming`
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`21:32.47`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: and then it never claimed to be`
`21:32.53`	`mhall`	`valdyn: er not always true`
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`21:33.05`	`mhall`	`valdyn: it malfunctioned a lot when i tried it and i have to give up`
`21:33.09`	`dusk`	`my module-assistant wont PREPARE, any ideas why?`
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`21:33.17`	`mhall`	`valdyn: it refused to create node for loop devices even though they exist`
`21:33.19`	`valdyn`	`mhall: it handles alsa fine`
`21:33.26`	`mhall`	`valdyn: it sure didn't work for me`
`21:33.27`	`valdyn`	`mhall: which is enough for his purposes`
`21:33.34`	`Silent_al`	`valdyn , any ideas?`
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`21:33.46`	`mhall`	`valdyn: i'm just advocating that complications be removed until the system works`
`21:33.57`	`mhall`	`valdyn: if he wants to try udev _after_ it works then well and good`
`21:33.58`	`pi-meson`	`1. how do I check if I'm running udev, and 2. would a dist-upgrade have done that? I thought it was a kernel-specific thing`
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`21:34.09`	`valdyn`	`mhall: sure, idont disagree`
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`21:34.19`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: well let's see dpkg --get-selections \| grep udev`
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`21:34.49`	`Silent_al`	`dusk , sad , but true ;-)`
`21:34.50`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: hard to say how it got there, but when you have a .static dir it means udev is mounted on top of dev`
`21:34.52`	`Award`	`mhall: Nope, that wasn't the problem.`
`21:34.54`	`dusk`	`heh`
`21:34.56`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: so it pretty much must be there`
`21:35.01`	`mhall`	`Award: ok then what`
`21:35.15`	`dusk`	`can anyone help me with module-assistant? Before i formated, I was able to build the alsa module from it and get sound NP`
`21:35.15`	`valdyn`	`Silent_al: that might be happening with various packages right now in etch, its quite broken atm`
`21:35.16`	`Award`	`mhall: Still stuck with the "FATAL: nvidia module already loaded in the kernel" error on startx`
`21:35.23`	`SuperSox`	`oops, throwing a ciggerette packet into my pc case probably won't help matters`
`21:35.24`	`dusk`	`now I cant get sound, and module-assistant doesnt work`
`21:35.30`	`Award`	`mhall: some x config setting must have changed between versions`
`21:35.33`	`mhall`	`Award: it took you longer to come back than it would take me to troll kingsley_`
`21:35.41`	`mhall`	`Award: i can give you a working conf file`
`21:35.50`	`valdyn`	`dusk: you probably have an unsupported kernel-image installed ( - > no headers exist for it anymore in debian )`
`21:36.05`	`Award`	`mhall: Hehe, I tried rebooting just to be sure nothing was stuck open`
`21:36.10`	`pi-meson`	`so how does one make udev go away ?`
`21:36.14`	`Award`	`mhall: and tried changing the versions back and forth a few times :)`
`21:36.17`	`dusk`	`valdyn: im running etch, and all itll let me get is 2.6.14`
`21:36.18`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: apt-get remove --purge udev`
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`21:36.30`	`mhall`	`Award: hehehe`
`21:36.30`	`pi-meson`	`mhall: a little violent, but ok`
`21:36.36`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: it works`
`21:36.37`	`Award`	`mhall: I'll take a look at it, thanks (what nvidia version?)`
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`21:36.41`	`bouma`	`does anyone here use rip, cause a new version came out nov 15 (on the sourceforge page) and i need an old version, cause this one crashes kernel time ...`
`21:36.45`	`mhall`	`Award: yeah let me check`
`21:36.54`	`valdyn`	`dusk: you can grab whatever headers you need manually`
`21:36.56`	`mhall`	`~ops poioubMFo is spammer`
`21:36.58`	`apt`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: poioubMFo is spammer`
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`21:37.08`	`dusk`	`valdyn: how do i do that?`
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`21:37.17`	`valdyn`	`dusk: uname -r`
`21:37.18`	`edude05`	`hi everyone`
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`21:37.26`	`amorphix`	`Hi. I'm trying to get a port open on my server and not having much luck. I'm using iptables+ipmasq and set "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT --dport 4662". Do I need to do anything else?`
`21:37.31`	`dusk`	`2.6.14-1-k7`
`21:37.37`	`mhall`	`Award: 7676`
`21:37.41`	`RichiH`	`mhall: done`
`21:37.57`	`pandrew`	`hello. how can i rename all the files and folders in a folder to lowercase or uppercase? (non-recursive)`
`21:37.59`	`Award`	`mhall: ok`
`21:38.09`	`bouma`	`has anyone heard of the 'recovery is possible' linux rescue iso ?`
`21:38.11`	`myren`	`how do i make my xterm default to white text on black background`
`21:38.11`	`valdyn`	`dusk: and etch only offers 2.6.14-2-k7?`
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`21:38.27`	`dusk`	`valdyn: looks that way through apt-cache`
`21:38.27`	`Award`	`mhall: Yeah thatwould be a good file (I wanted to go up to 76, but I'm afraid of the libc6 upgrade chain since I'm still recovering from an e2fsprogs loop problem from running an old sid :)`
`21:38.41`	`mhall`	`Award: http://www.mhcomputing.net/~mhall/xorg.conf`
`21:38.44`	`valdyn`	`dusk: ok - install that, or search sdn`
`21:38.46`	`valdyn`	`!sdn`
`21:38.46`	`dpkg`	`somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem.`
`21:38.52`	`Award`	`mhall: thanks, looking`
`21:38.53`	`amorphix`	`hi`
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`21:38.58`	`mhall`	`Award: 7676 was most current thing i could find`
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`21:39.29`	`mhall`	`sdn is both amazing and horribly disturbing ugly hack all at the same time`
`21:39.37`	`mhall`	`i wish i could find a way to get those guys more disks`
`21:39.40`	`Award`	`mhall: yeah. the .dpkgs are still in experimental thouhg (shudder), and requires the libc6 from at least testing.`
`21:39.44`	`mhall`	`when i have $ i'll get them a little SAN`
`21:39.44`	`bizkit`	`what do you think is more important? /boot or /var/log on an extra partition? i think /var/log, or?`
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`21:39.56`	`Award`	`mhall: I'm just afraid of going back from stable yet since I haven't completed a stable dist-upgrade`
`21:39.58`	`amorphix`	`could use a bit of help`
`21:40.00`	`amorphix`	`Hi. I'm trying to get a port open on my server and not having much luck. I'm using iptables+ipmasq and set "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT --dport 4662". Do I need to do anything else?`
`21:40.01`	`mhall`	`Award: but... i went to nv.com`
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`21:40.17`	`Award`	`mhall: hehe yeah`
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`21:40.19`	`pandrew`	`i think that there is a solution that contains [a-z], or something like that`
`21:40.23`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: important? why either?`
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`21:40.25`	`mhall`	`Award: and they did not have anything more current than 7676`
`21:40.26`	`Award`	`mhall: I miss the nv drivers :( :)`
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`21:40.43`	`Award`	`mhall: yeah 80 is out for windows, but not linux yet`
`21:40.51`	`amorphix`	`If I have set iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT --dport 4662 iptables rule shouldnt that be enough for my client if it needs port 4662 open?`
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`21:41.00`	`ziupiu`	`pandrew, rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' *`
`21:41.03`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: #iptables`
`21:41.07`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`21:41.10`	`pandrew`	`ziupiu thanks`
`21:41.12`	`pi-meson`	`so that wins me a :`
`21:41.16`	`pi-meson`	`The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome* gnome-desktop-environment* gnome-volume-manager* hal* udev*`
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`21:41.51`	`valdyn`	`pi-meson: just do that, its not big deal for now, and easy to install those things back`
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`21:42.09`	`Award`	`mhall: that page won't load for some reason`
`21:42.19`	`Award`	`mhall: nevermind, just came up (finally)`
`21:42.30`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: /var/log could fill up the disc if flooded anyway, /boot is good to umount while not in use to be sure no one can access the kernel images?`
`21:42.34`	`valdyn`	`pi-meson: wont loose you any functionality or program except for gnome-volume-manager`
`21:43.00`	`pi-meson`	`this requires a reboot, right?`
`21:43.04`	`l3m`	`pi-meson: you've seen the light. shed gnome and all of it's evilness ;)`
`21:43.08`	`mhall`	`Award: yeah i was going to say it's on an über-reliable box on an über-reliable double redundant pipe`
`21:43.22`	`mhall`	`Award: and i tested the link before i gave it to you`
`21:43.28`	`pi-meson`	`l3m: dude, I develop stuff for gnome; I love gtkmm`
`21:43.38`	`pi-meson`	`I want to have little gstreamer-babies`
`21:43.41`	`l3m`	`pi-meson: just joking ;)`
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`21:43.59`	`pi-meson`	`but okay, time for a reboot!`
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`21:44.03`	`Award`	`mhall: I see nothing obviously different about your config versus mine...`
`21:44.08`	`Award`	`mhall: But something must have changed.`
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`21:44.15`	`mhall`	`Award: yeah nvidia configs are pretty trivial`
`21:44.20`	`apokryphos`	`anyone using an epson c66?`
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`21:44.27`	`Award`	`mhall: I'd say my xserver is obsolete, but it's supposedly in the right version range`
`21:44.32`	`mhall`	`Award: hmm`
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`21:44.46`	`mhall`	`Award: i wish i understood that funny module glitch`
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`21:44.57`	`Award`	`mhall: yeah. It definitely only happens with the new versions.`
`21:45.00`	`mhall`	`Award: maybe ask #nvidia if they can decipher`
`21:45.05`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: ls -ld /var/tmp`
`21:45.14`	`Award`	`mhall: And when I downgrade the same 3 packages back to the 53x versions, it works.`
`21:45.17`	`mhall`	`Award: if it's as ubiqitous as it seems to be they should know`
`21:45.26`	`Award`	`mhall: Will do, thanks.`
`21:45.54`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: youre right though, but i wouldnt argue which was more important..`
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`21:47.57`	`mhall`	`hey did anybody else try the command in ralf's quit message? it's awesome: echo .4 .2 .2 .4 .8 .4 0 \| xargs -n1 echo 'echo -en \\a ; sleep' \| bash`
`21:48.14`	`mhall`	`i made sure to su to nobody first to test it since it had control chars but it's safe`
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`21:49.11`	`mhall`	`~zoosmite spambots`
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`21:49.19`	`mhall`	`apt_: hello`
`21:49.27`	`abrotman`	`!hi`
`21:49.28`	`dpkg`	`hello, abrotman`
`21:49.29`	`abrotman`	`~hi`
`21:49.31`	`apt`	`hello, abrotman`
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`21:49.44`	`mhall`	`i think i'm on ignore for overuse of forget to correct fucked up factoids`
`21:49.54`	`abrotman`	`perhaps`
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`21:50.03`	`paulswm`	`mhall: Yes, I've had that happen to me too`
`21:50.05`	`mhall`	`i'm pretty sure i am`
`21:50.11`	`mhall`	`paulswm: how long until it wears off`
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`21:50.21`	`mhall`	`some asshole corrupted a lot of my useful factoids that i swore by`
`21:50.28`	`mhall`	`especially the source factoid`
`21:50.32`	`abrotman`	`paulswm!!`
`21:50.34`	`beardy`	`!source`
`21:50.34`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run debian/rules binary to build debs from source.`
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`21:50.44`	`mhall`	`it had beautiful instructions on compiling debian source and then it got trashed`
`21:50.48`	`paulswm`	`mhall: A few days I think, don was not very sympathetic when I told him about it`
`21:50.58`	`mhall`	`beardy: if you do factinfo you will see i had to replace it`
`21:51.01`	`paulswm`	`!beer abrotman`
`21:51.04`	`mhall`	`beardy: i would do it now but cannot`
`21:51.08`	`mhall`	`beardy: as i explained`
`21:51.08`	`abrotman`	`!smoke paulswm`
`21:51.10`	`guru`	`whoa`
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`21:51.14`	`beardy`	`!factinfo source`
`21:51.14`	`dpkg`	`source -- created by mhall <n=mhall@uop-14-118.pacific.edu> 16h 38m 50s ago; it has been requested 3 times, last by beardy, 40s ago.`
`21:51.18`	`paulswm`	`Heh, abauer`
`21:51.23`	`paulswm`	`whoops`
`21:51.23`	`beardy`	`yep`
`21:51.24`	`guru`	`2.6.14 is dead sexy`
`21:51.29`	`paulswm`	`sorry abauer wrong nick`
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`21:51.37`	`mhall`	`beardy: some dumbass replaced it with "sources are too unstable"`
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`21:51.45`	`mhall`	`beardy: what the fuck kind of worthless fact is that`
`21:51.50`	`mhall`	`beardy: i was pretty pissed`
`21:51.54`	`abauer`	`paulswm: dont worry. im already used to it :)`
`21:51.55`	`ziupiu`	`guru, why?`
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`21:52.11`	`wetsand`	`what is initrd`
`21:52.14`	`mhall`	`beardy: i mean, obviously sometimes you want to build from STABLE SOURCE to fix sid`
`21:52.23`	`beardy`	`mhall: Yeah, I agree. It would have pissed me off too.`
`21:52.23`	`mhall`	`beardy: obviously it's not too unstable in that case`
`21:52.24`	`guru`	`ziupiu: many new features and it "feels" right`
`21:52.24`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: sometimes I just get a bit tired of the other place, I'm sure that the feeling is mutual`
`21:52.35`	`mhall`	`beardy: in fact it's less unstable than what you had which is the entire fucking point`
`21:52.39`	`guru`	`wetsand: a tool of the devil, that's what it is`
`21:52.45`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: not for me .. but i'm tolerant :)`
`21:52.53`	`mhall`	`beardy: i'm thinking i need my own very quiet pot that pms factoids to people for me`
`21:52.54`	`Award`	`mhall: nvidia seems pretty much dead at the moment`
`21:53.00`	`mhall`	`beardy: almost like a script in my irc client`
`21:53.03`	`fevoldj2`	`Hi I'm having trouble with debian... I just installed it with the default 2.6 kernel. All I did after the installation was install alsa, xchat, firefox and a new kernel. I also changed a few items in fstab that mounted correctly. Now when I boot I get a permission error for getty.`
`21:53.12`	`mhall`	`Award: damn`
`21:53.13`	`paulswm`	`wetsand: initial ramdisk, it's what a stock debian kernel uses to get modules that it needs to mount your root disk`
`21:53.23`	`mhall`	`Award: i suspect maybe they lied about X version support`
`21:53.29`	`beardy`	`mhall: Hold on, "less unstable than what you had", what do you mean by that?`
`21:53.44`	`paulswm`	`root filesystem, I should say`
`21:53.50`	`Award`	`mhall: Possible.`
`21:53.54`	`Award`	`mhall: I'll try upgrading it.`
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`21:54.37`	`wetsand`	`paulswm, do any other nix's use this`
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`21:54.42`	`beardy`	`oh, I got it..`
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`21:54.43`	`mhall`	`Award: because i have 7676 and xorg working`
`21:54.50`	`wetsand`	`guru, sounds scary!`
`21:54.56`	`mhall`	`Award: and about 5 other people got it working using my makefile hack advice`
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`21:55.02`	`sorcre`	`Hello, has anyone installed debian on a LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D motherboard? I tried to but the LANs wouldn't work.`
`21:55.03`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: people can say what they like, there are just some things to which I'd rather not listen - anyway, OT for here, sorry`
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`21:55.05`	`fevoldj2`	`Has anyone else had this problem? I'm using stable.`
`21:55.08`	`dusk`	`how can I set the default www broswer in gnome?`
`21:55.10`	`mhall`	`Award: so i can't think of another decent explanation`
`21:55.10`	`pi-meson`	`well, removing udev worked, thanks everyone!`
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`21:55.19`	`pi-meson`	`is udev the new default in testing?`
`21:55.20`	`mhall`	`sorcre: just had to get windows working on one last week`
`21:55.21`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: but i miss you!`
`21:55.24`	`mhall`	`valdyn: eat your words!`
`21:55.30`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: woohoo`
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`21:55.39`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: no udev is not default yet afaik cause it is broken`
`21:55.45`	`sorcre`	`mhall: windows?`
`21:55.47`	`wetsand`	`paulswm, do you know how i can import megaraid to my sarge installer`
`21:55.53`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: i am sorry i do not have answer to question of why it got installed into your box`
`21:55.57`	`beardy`	`azeem: are you there?`
`21:56.00`	`mhall`	`sorcre: yeah i know it was a waste of good board`
`21:56.04`	`mhall`	`sorcre: but it wasn't for me`
`21:56.13`	`pi-meson`	`mhall: oh, that's fine, I'm sure it was some dependency deep down in there, due to hal or whatever.`
`21:56.14`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: so come here and visit, otherwise I'll have to wait till you are and old man and retiring here, and I won't live that long, heh`
`21:56.22`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: you have a CD hooked up to your RAID controller ?`
`21:56.24`	`mhall`	`sorcre: you have an nvidia lan chip and a ... marvell or some other proprietary one`
`21:56.27`	`beardy`	`dusk: You aren't the one that asked that yesterday, or a few days ago, are you?`
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`21:56.32`	`mhall`	`sorcre: afaik 2.6.xx kernel has nvidia lan driver`
`21:56.33`	`paulswm`	`wetsand: No I don't, sorry`
`21:56.40`	`Award`	`mhall: Interesting.`
`21:56.43`	`mhall`	`pi-meson: i have a guess`
`21:56.43`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, yea...raid controller is in a new dell 1750 server`
`21:56.46`	`Award`	`mhall: I'll try upgrading X then`
`21:56.48`	`dusk`	`beardy: I am.. but i had to reinstall and I forgot`
`21:56.49`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: you have a CD hooked up to your RAID controller ?`
`21:56.55`	`mhall`	`Award: i can't think of any other decent tips; sorry`
`21:57.10`	`abrotman`	`of course .. this is why i don't buy dell .. they are masters of fuckery`
`21:57.19`	`sorcre`	`mhall: Is there a business card image that comes with that kernel?(AMD64)`
`21:57.20`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, yes there is a dvd drive in the system`
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`21:57.33`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: no .. i'm asking if the DVD drive is hooked to the megaraid controller`
`21:57.35`	`Award`	`mhall: From #nvidia: <_masta_> sounds like you have the nvidia-module installed twice for the same kernel`
`21:57.35`	`bop1`	`any idea how can a transparant proxy determine the real destination ip address?`
`21:57.39`	`mhall`	`sorcre: yeah i'm wondering about that actually`
`21:57.41`	`Award`	`mhall: maybe it's a lead`
`21:57.41`	`beardy`	`dusk: Ah :), I don't remember exactly what it was, it was a long one, IIRC, azeem helped you with it?`
`21:57.48`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: you're allowed to use words like f**kery? :P`
`21:57.50`	`mhall`	`Award: ah that's sorta weird but it'd make sense`
`21:57.54`	`dusk`	`beardy: yea`
`21:57.56`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, no it's ide`
`21:57.59`	`mhall`	`Award: maybe it changed names and did not get deleted`
`21:58.02`	`blondie`	`bop1: as opposed to what?`
`21:58.08`	`mhall`	`Award: or got put into two different dirs by the two installers`
`21:58.16`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: ok .. well them i'm really confused why you need megaraid in the initrd on the installer`
`21:58.24`	`abrotman`	`!kingsleysmite paulswm`
`21:58.25`	`dpkg`	`paulswm: You're nothing but an aus pssing w*nker!`
`21:58.31`	`paulswm`	`HAHA`
`21:58.43`	`bop1`	`blockd_ hmm?`
`21:58.45`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, i have sarge cd. I boot the server to it, but i cant recognize my disk`
`21:58.46`	`mhall`	`woohoo kingsley_ those are some insulting fucking insults right there you cock knocker`
`21:58.46`	`valdyn`	`bop1: by reading the package headers?`
`21:58.47`	`bop1`	`blondie what do you mean?`
`21:58.54`	`abrotman`	`!dell`
`21:58.54`	`dpkg`	`[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/`
`21:59.05`	`bop1`	`valdyn packet you mean, and do you know how transparant proxies work?`
`21:59.21`	`valdyn`	`bop1: yea`
`21:59.28`	`bop1`	`with the help of firewalls, like iptables, which redirects the traffic to their own port, but then the destination ip changes to the proxy's ip`
`21:59.36`	`blondie`	`bop1: the "real" destination?`
`21:59.37`	`dRIT_Fiel`	`list sex`
`21:59.41`	`dRIT_Fiel`	`leave`
`21:59.47`	`beardy`	`good idea`
`21:59.48`	`paulswm`	`!factinfo kingsleysmite`
`21:59.48`	`dpkg`	`there's no such factoid as kingsleysmite, paulswm`
`21:59.49`	`bop1`	`blondie the original destination the client tried to connect to.`
`21:59.52`	`blondie`	`do you mean the real source IP`
`21:59.53`	`mhall`	`sorcre: suggest you try http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/amd64/beta1/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso`
`21:59.53`	`Award`	`mhall: I'm vaguely remembering an issue with make-kpkg on 2.6.3. IT used the 2.4 naming convention for modules (without the .ko extension)`
`21:59.54`	`sorcre`	`I tried the 3.1r0 netinst but it couldn't use either Vitesse VSC8201 Gigabit Phy and Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit PCI`
`22:00.01`	`abrotman`	`!factinfo cmd: kingsleysmite (.*?)`
`22:00.01`	`dpkg`	`CMD: kingsleysmite (.*?) -- created by Guerin <n=magpie@60.197.208.47> 3d 18h 20m 36s ago.`
`22:00.02`	`mhall`	`sorcre: it installs etch and uses 2.6.xx`
`22:00.03`	`Award`	`mhall: _masta_ may be right, if I rename it it may work.`
`22:00.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 802] by debhelper`
`22:00.08`	`blondie`	`bop1: what would the "fake" IP be?`
`22:00.09`	`mhall`	`sorcre: should be a reasonable choice`
`22:00.11`	`Award`	`I'll drop out of X again and give it a try`
`22:00.18`	`mhall`	`Award: ah yeah that would be b0rk3d`
`22:00.23`	`sorcre`	`mhall: thanks, I'll try it`
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`22:00.23`	`mhall`	`Award: could well be the issue`
`22:00.31`	`mhall`	`sorcre: note one thing`
`22:00.34`	`bop1`	`blondie not a 'fake', it just rewrites the destination address to the proxy address.`
`22:00.38`	`mhall`	`sorcre: apparently it does 2.6.xx and 2.4.xx`
`22:00.39`	`sorcre`	`I'm wasting this X2 on fedora core (I miss debian :( )`
`22:00.40`	`wetsand`	`abrotman...did u see my last response`
`22:00.41`	`Award`	`mhall: indeed.`
`22:00.48`	`Award`	`trying now...`
`22:00.59`	`mhall`	`sorcre: so you would need to poke around and make sure you get it into 2.6 mode`
`22:01.09`	`blondie`	`bop1: does the proxy not have logs?`
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`22:01.20`	`sorcre`	`mhall: oh? is it difficult?`
`22:01.21`	`bop1`	`what are you talking about?`
`22:01.35`	`mhall`	`sorcre: no just use F keys to find out what you must punch in`
`22:01.37`	`blondie`	`look in the proxy logs to see what is being accessed...`
`22:01.37`	`deadcat`	`cool. orinoco_usb no longer need firmware_class. updated on the cvs tree hehe`
`22:01.39`	`fevoldj2`	`Hi I'm having trouble with debian... I just installed it with the default 2.6 kernel. All I did after the installation was install alsa, xchat, firefox and a new kernel. I also changed a few items in fstab that mounted correctly. Now when I boot I get a permission error for getty.`
`22:01.41`	`mhall`	`sorcre: it will be likely one of two things`
`22:01.46`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: apparently not`
`22:01.58`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, i have sarge cd. I boot the server to it, but i cant recognize my disk`
`22:02.00`	`mhall`	`sorcre: linux24 to do 2.4 and linux to do 2.6 or linux26 to do 26 and linux to do 2.4`
`22:02.08`	`mhall`	`sorcre: just depending on which they made as default`
`22:02.10`	`bop1`	`my question is simple. packet comes, with destination ip address of the web site the client wants to retrieve, the firewall redirects traffic to the proxy address/port, how does the proxy determine the original destination ip address to know where to proxy the data.`
`22:02.15`	`abrotman`	`wetsand:`
`22:02.17`	`abrotman`	`!dell`
`22:02.17`	`dpkg`	`[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/`
`22:02.27`	`sorcre`	`mhall: thanks, brb, going to burn / try to install`
`22:02.37`	`wetsand`	`!dell`
`22:02.38`	`dpkg`	`[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/`
`22:02.46`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, LOL`
`22:02.48`	`beardy`	`dusk: It isn't in my lastlog.. did you run the command in a terminal, or ran it from a menu?`
`22:02.53`	`mhall`	`sorcre: yeah see if it works`
`22:02.54`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, what should i get instead? HP?`
`22:02.55`	`mhall`	`sorcre: hope so!`
`22:02.58`	`dusk`	`beardy: terminal`
`22:03.01`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: no .. the URL in it`
`22:03.06`	`mhall`	`sorcre: i am leaving for class`
`22:03.21`	`wetsand`	`abrotman, what server class HW do you reccomend?`
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`22:03.31`	`sorcre`	`mhall: take care`
`22:03.35`	`abrotman`	`wetsand: did you even LOOK at the URL that is in that factoid ?`
`22:03.56`	`mhall`	`ok can we quit spamming the channel with the dell factoid now`
`22:03.59`	`mhall`	`have we had enough`
`22:04.01`	`abrotman`	`what i recommend is irrelevant .. you're stuck with crap dell stuff`
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`22:04.05`	`mhall`	`or is wetsand _still_ not reading`
`22:04.08`	`beardy`	`dusk: then, I think it started with gnome-, type 'gnome-<TAB<TAB>' and see if you recognize it`
`22:04.09`	`mhall`	`Award: luck?!?`
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`22:04.23`	`Award`	`mhall: nope`
`22:04.33`	`[11aa]`	`in debian can a Virtual Machine be cearted`
`22:04.44`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`22:04.44`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`22:04.46`	`beardy`	`[11aa]: Yes.`
`22:04.52`	`FarrisG`	`I have about 15 machines that crash whenever the ethernet switch they're plugged into powers off. Sends some kernel errors & trace info to the screen, but doesn't end up in any logs. I never catch it quick enough to copy down the errors, but this is very strange. Any idea what could be causing it?`
`22:04.58`	`mhall`	`Award: damn damn damn`
`22:05.11`	`mhall`	`FarrisG: what the fuck`
`22:05.29`	`mhall`	`FarrisG: i guess they really like getting it on with the switch`
`22:05.39`	`mhall`	`FarrisG: unplug them and they just fall asleep`
`22:05.40`	`beardy`	`FarrisG: the switch (duh)`
`22:05.48`	`dusk`	`beardy: gnome-default-applications-properties :)`
`22:05.51`	`abrotman`	`mhall: are you happy .. you're beating dpkg now :)`
`22:05.58`	`beardy`	`dusk: good :) write it down`
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`22:06.13`	`dusk`	`also.. im having a real hard time getting module-assistant to work, I just installed 2.6.14-1 and I guess there are no headers for it?`
`22:06.14`	`Award`	`mhall: indeed`
`22:06.22`	`FarrisG`	`beardy: hah`
`22:06.27`	`mhall`	`abrotman: extremely so :-D`
`22:06.44`	`FarrisG`	`could it possibly be ifplugd? I just noticed it's installed. It's not at all necessary on this system`
`22:06.50`	`mhall`	`abrotman: there's nothing i love more than taking a big steaming dump all over kingsley_'s project`
`22:06.56`	`abrotman`	`oh ok`
`22:07.05`	`mhall`	`abrotman: as i have reiterated repeatedly`
`22:07.07`	`Award`	`mhall: I'm trying to think of what else it could be`
`22:07.11`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`22:07.15`	`Award`	`mhall: Maybe there is a second driver but I can't imagine where`
`22:07.27`	`mhall`	`abrotman: it encouraged me to come help more in the channel so i could raise my rank`
`22:07.40`	`mhall`	`abrotman: so by trying to discourage me he actually amped me up tenfold`
`22:07.44`	`quasi_`	`'morning all, I have a "invalid compressed format (err=1) " error just after the kernel uncompresses (HW info Compaq Deskpro PIII-733/10GB/128MB/I815 chipset), can you throw me a hint?`
`22:07.50`	`mhall`	`abrotman: there's got to be some good irony in that`
`22:07.58`	`abrotman`	`mhall: isn't all irony good ?`
`22:08.01`	`mhall`	`abrotman: i mean peterS never called me on crack before`
`22:08.17`	`mhall`	`abrotman: except for the kind that gets hots and burns you when you don't expect it`
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`22:08.28`	`mhall`	`abrotman: for when you do expect it, you're probably doing s&m`
`22:08.33`	`beardy`	`dpkg: gnomebrowser is <reply> To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser"`
`22:08.33`	`dpkg`	`beardy: okay`
`22:08.34`	`mhall`	`abrotman: and probably look on it as good`
`22:08.51`	`mhall`	`quasi_: that seems like everyday cheap box`
`22:08.53`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`22:08.53`	`peterS`	`mhall: I believe I noted that you were on speed, not crack`
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`22:08.57`	`mhall`	`quasi_: i'm surprised it's fucking up`
`22:09.10`	`mhall`	`peterS: no you said crack too`
`22:09.14`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: how long did memtest run ?`
`22:09.20`	`quasi_`	`mhall: it is, but it should do the job.`
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`22:09.22`	`mhall`	`peterS: but if you prefer speed over crack that's OK by me`
`22:09.26`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: about 15 minutes`
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`22:09.33`	`peterS`	`mhall: well I actually said meth, but close enough`
`22:09.34`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: not even nearly long enough`
`22:09.37`	`mhall`	`quasi_: yeah what i meant is none of what it was doing seems to weird`
`22:09.45`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: try .. overnight :)`
`22:09.48`	`mhall`	`peterS: i think you ended up saying each of them`
`22:09.55`	`mhall`	`quasi_: yeah run it longer to get chips in machine hot`
`22:09.56`	`abrotman`	`!mhall`
`22:10.03`	`mhall`	`quasi_: otherwise might not find the failure`
`22:10.07`	`blondie`	`mmm chips`
`22:10.09`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: Do you really think it is a memory problem?`
`22:10.13`	`mhall`	`abrotman: old factoid about me got deleted for some reason`
`22:10.13`	`blondie`	`and burgers`
`22:10.18`	`peterS`	`mhall is almost an anagram for amahl`
`22:10.23`	`mhall`	`abrotman: i don't know why thought cause i didn't delete it`
`22:10.26`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: i dn't know .. but i am sure you didn't let memtest run long enough`
`22:10.26`	`thingfish`	`mmm`
`22:10.40`	`mhall`	`peterS: which is?`
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`22:10.50`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: cpuburn might be of some use also .. though the last time i tried it on a flaky machine .. the machine never booted again`
`22:10.58`	`mhall`	`abrotman: probably a good thing`
`22:11.09`	`abrotman`	`not at the time it wasn't`
`22:11.13`	`peterS`	`mhall: oh, a short, light opera by Menotti, "Amahl and the Night Visitors". I'm performing in it in a week or so`
`22:11.15`	`dusk`	`i have a few lines of text to spam, where can I do so?`
`22:11.24`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: I know, but just to not boot the kernel, seems weird, I would expect a different behaviour.`
`22:11.26`	`mhall`	`peterS: ah it'd be funny to put me in as extra`
`22:11.35`	`mhall`	`peterS: i can play instruments at least`
`22:11.46`	`mhall`	`peterS: put me in the band on vibraphone haha`
`22:11.47`	`beardy`	`dusk: #flood, or /msg dpkg flood, /msg dpkg paster`
`22:11.56`	`peterS`	`mhall: well, I'm only an extra. there are about 15 extras and 6 principals`
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`22:12.10`	`peterS`	`I don't know if there's room for vibes in that one, though`
`22:12.16`	`peterS`	`maybe in the orchestra`
`22:12.16`	`dusk`	`module-assistant auto-install alsa-base`
`22:12.16`	`dusk`	`The source tarball could not be found!`
`22:12.16`	`dusk`	`Package alsa-base not installed?`
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`22:12.22`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah that's what i mean`
`22:12.25`	`dusk`	`but it IS installed`
`22:12.28`	`mhall`	`peterS: put me in the band on vibes`
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`22:12.33`	`quasi_`	`I'll try a different flavour besides debian based.`
`22:12.35`	`peterS`	`right`
`22:12.39`	`quasi_`	`I'll keep you posted.`
`22:12.40`	`mhall`	`peterS: i'm a hack at 4 mallet but i'm pretty good on 2-mallet`
`22:12.49`	`mhall`	`peterS: it's been a few years though`
`22:12.54`	`peterS`	`I don't know how anyone can play 4 mallet. it looks really hard`
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`22:13.28`	`thingfish`	`?`
`22:13.32`	`mhall`	`peterS: the hardest of the hard play with 6`
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`22:13.42`	`peterS`	`oh dear, that sounds pretty nearly impossible`
`22:13.45`	`mhall`	`peterS: but by this point clearly you cannot play useful stuff`
`22:13.58`	`mhall`	`peterS: you can play chords but that's stupid because for that you should use a piano`
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`22:14.17`	`mhall`	`peterS: the point of vibes is to be the resonant mallet instrument for higher pitches; hence the pedal`
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`22:14.17`	`peterS`	`well, you can do chords even with 4 mallets`
`22:14.29`	`mhall`	`peterS: and for lower pitches you'd use marimba with soft fuzzy mallets`
`22:14.36`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: you seem awfully confused today`
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`22:14.42`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah you can do it with two also if you use soft mallets`
`22:14.58`	`deadcat`	`is there a way to benchmark urxvt and xterm? (=`
`22:14.59`	`mhall`	`peterS: you just have to choose tasteful arpeggiations`
`22:15.01`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: yeah, maybe so.`
`22:15.17`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: I'll try with another machine, I have 2 of a kind.`
`22:15.21`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`22:15.21`	`peterS`	`deadcat: do something like 'od /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r)' inside them`
`22:15.23`	`thingfish`	`distracted, I guess.`
`22:15.26`	`peterS`	`deadcat: see how long it takes`
`22:15.41`	`deadcat`	`k`
`22:15.44`	`fevoldj2`	`Hi I'm having trouble with debian... I just installed it with the default 2.6 kernel. All I did after the installation was install alsa, xchat, firefox and a new kernel. I also changed a few items in fstab that mounted correctly. Now when I boot I get a permission error for getty.`
`22:15.49`	`peterS`	`deadcat: the slow part of that will be rendering the text onscreen, so it's a reasonable benchmark`
`22:15.49`	`fevoldj2`	`I'm using Debian Stable...`
`22:16.17`	`mhall`	`anyways it's past time to do fucking statistics`
`22:16.21`	`deadcat`	`peterS: no i mean like starting up xterm and urxvt`
`22:16.22`	`mhall`	`on friday afternoon`
`22:16.24`	`mhall`	`fuck this shit`
`22:16.29`	`dusk`	`i figured out my problem, I had unstable instead of testing setup in my sources.list.. I changed it back to testing.. but how can I get all the testing apps instead of unstable?? :P`
`22:16.40`	`peterS`	`deadcat: oh, who cares about startup time, they're both quite fast to start up. I care about how fast they can render text and scroll it`
`22:16.45`	`thingfish`	`fevoldj2: undo your changes to fstab. try the known good kernel.`
`22:16.49`	`guru`	`what updates the files in /usr/include/linux/?`
`22:16.53`	`[11aa]`	`and its like miller time?`
`22:16.56`	`fevoldj2`	`I already undid the settings`
`22:16.58`	`thingfish`	`!sooth mhall`
`22:17.01`	`fevoldj2`	`I also tried the good kernel.`
`22:17.01`	`thingfish`	`oops`
`22:17.06`	`beardy`	`deadcat: Do you notice difference? On what kind of machine is this?`
`22:17.08`	`thingfish`	`!soothe mhall`
`22:17.08`	`mhall`	`peterS: time catting of 50 m random ascii text file`
`22:17.17`	`mhall`	`peterS: or utf8 test text file concatenated onto itself`
`22:17.20`	`fevoldj2`	`I'll make sure though`
`22:17.22`	`guru`	`i tried installing linux-headers-versionhere but that only installs the headers in /usr/src/`
`22:17.22`	`peterS`	`mhall: that's what I said. od /boot/vmlinuz.`
`22:17.43`	`deadcat`	`beardy: no. i just want to know why people prefer urxvt over xterm thats all`
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`22:17.55`	`dusk`	`how can I downgrade from sid to etch (and downgrade all my packages too)`
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`22:18.01`	`mhall`	`deadcat: xterm -u8 works best in unicode, konsole close second`
`22:18.04`	`beardy`	`deadcat: startup time is not it, I'd guess ;)`
`22:18.06`	`valdyn`	`!downgrade`
`22:18.06`	`dpkg`	`methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html`
`22:18.10`	`mhall`	`deadcat: konsole renders more chars`
`22:18.24`	`dusk`	`crap`
`22:18.25`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: the other machine works, yet it has the same config. Might be a memory problem after all.`
`22:18.29`	`dusk`	`so i have to reformat AGAIN`
`22:18.29`	`peterS`	`dusk: in general you can't, debian doesn't support downgrades. in practice you sometimes can. best bet is to just switch sources.list over to etch and wait for etch to catch up with your install`
`22:18.32`	`mhall`	`deadcat: xterm -u8 has no screen glitches but konsole does if it can't render a char sometimes`
`22:18.34`	`[11aa]`	`!woody`
`22:18.34`	`dpkg`	`hmm... woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006)`
`22:18.42`	`deadcat`	`mhall: i dont use unicode (=. dont even know what that is`
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`22:18.48`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: run memtest .. for a very long time`
`22:18.50`	`dusk`	`peterS: cant.. too much stuff doesnt work.. dont want to wait`
`22:18.51`	`[11aa]`	`!get woody`
`22:19.02`	`peterS`	`dusk: too bad you used something labeled "unstable" then, I guess`
`22:19.07`	`[11aa]`	`mmm`
`22:19.14`	`dusk`	`yea i made a mistake`
`22:19.16`	`beardy`	`[11aa]: what doyou think this is?`
`22:19.18`	`mhall`	`deadcat: lol then don't use urxvt`
`22:19.22`	`deadcat`	`(=`
`22:19.25`	`paulswm`	`quasi_: I assume that you are running memtest64+, not running memtest from within Linux`
`22:19.28`	`imex`	`got a question on ext3, does it need to be defragmented like WinDoze?`
`22:19.40`	`deadcat`	`mhall: i like the fading and shading that xterm dont have )=. thats the only thing heheh`
`22:19.42`	`[11aa]`	`help?`
`22:19.44`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: I'll install wintendo for my lusers.`
`22:19.47`	`beardy`	`imex: like NTFS you mean, no.`
`22:19.49`	`peterS`	`mhall: which terminals can handle compose sequences? like this one: é`
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`22:19.52`	`mhall`	`deadcat: yeah for that i just use konsole so i get tabs`
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`22:19.57`	`mhall`	`peterS: hmm`
`22:19.58`	`paulswm`	`quasi_: I mean memtest86+ sorry`
`22:20.01`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: ? .. you're not gonna run memetest ?`
`22:20.01`	`peterS`	`mhall: xterm can, I'm not sure who else can`
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`22:20.10`	`quasi_`	`paulswm: memtest from knoppix 3.9`
`22:20.19`	`mhall`	`peterS: hällochen peterS`
`22:20.30`	`mhall`	`peterS: (konsole) and xterm works too`
`22:20.31`	`helix`	`xterm is people`
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`22:20.35`	`beardy`	`imex: It's possible to do so, but I have never heard of anyone that has done it.`
`22:20.35`	`deadcat`	`mhall: tabs, i use SCREEN for tabs. just shade and fade hhee`
`22:20.36`	`mhall`	`helix: ?`
`22:20.37`	`imex`	`beardy, thanks`
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`22:20.41`	`peterS`	`mhall: you aren't using compose sequences there`
`22:20.42`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: I needed only one machine for my linux shaping box`
`22:20.44`	`valdyn`	`imex: last i checked defragmenting ntfs showed quite useless too`
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`22:20.46`	`bookmark`	`hey, i just wanted to appologize about my behavior in here the other day`
`22:20.47`	`paulswm`	`quasi_: memtest isn't very good, you need to run memtest86+ from a boot CD or install it in your boot perition`
`22:20.47`	`mhall`	`peterS: yeah i did`
`22:20.48`	`fevoldj2`	`I restarted with the original kernel and I still get those errors.`
`22:20.49`	`valdyn`	`imex: last i checked defragmenting ntfs showed being quite useless too`
`22:20.52`	`fevoldj2`	`It won't even boot into Debian.`
`22:20.55`	`mhall`	`peterS: i composed it using R-Win`
`22:20.56`	`peterS`	`mhall: no you didn't, you used a precomposed character`
`22:21.00`	`deadcat`	`helix: dont multitask (=`
`22:21.01`	`bookmark`	`that stupid nickserv bot ticks me off though`
`22:21.09`	`bookmark`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:21.11`	`mhall`	`peterS: oh you mean the utf combining chars`
`22:21.16`	`helix`	`what?`
`22:21.16`	`imex`	`valdyn, yes i have to believe in that`
`22:21.18`	`peterS`	`mhall: yes`
`22:21.18`	`mhall`	`peterS: that's a different deat`
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`22:21.21`	`mhall`	`peterS: deal*`
`22:21.24`	`peterS`	`helix: people?`
`22:21.25`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: still, in 10 years I never met this kind of problem.`
`22:21.28`	`mhall`	`~tell den about knoppix`
`22:21.33`	`helix`	`you guys are too slow`
`22:21.55`	`bookmark`	`i thought there was a classic gimp package? like pre v2.0...no?`
`22:21.56`	`peterS`	`your slang from the undereducated part of town is too obscure`
`22:22.08`	`beardy`	`heh`
`22:22.22`	`helix`	`I don't think soylent green references are undereducated?`
`22:22.23`	`peterS`	`bookmark: I don't think so`
`22:22.27`	`thingfish`	`fevoldj2: keep it here in channel, please.`
`22:22.37`	`mhall`	`peterS: uh yeah it's not happening w/ konsole`
`22:22.41`	`bookmark`	`i can't figure out the gimps open section`
`22:22.42`	`mhall`	`peterS: just get square box`
`22:22.44`	`peterS`	`helix: soylent green? how does that relate to xterm?`
`22:22.46`	`maatttt`	`does anyone know how to partion a cf card so it can be bootable ?`
`22:22.54`	`helix`	`because you called xterm 'who'`
`22:22.57`	`fevoldj2`	`sorry`
`22:23.04`	`peterS`	`ahhh`
`22:23.09`	`mhall`	`peterS: nor with xterm for me`
`22:23.10`	`helix`	`now you get my brilliant joke`
`22:23.11`	`beardy`	`maatttt: I doubt any bios allows it.`
`22:23.13`	`helix`	`thank god`
`22:23.16`	`mhall`	`peterS: i must have misconfigured`
`22:23.16`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: the other diffence between the two boxes is that the faulty one has a barracuda hdd and the good one uses a maxtor`
`22:23.17`	`thingfish`	`fevoldj2: have you googled the significant parts of your error message?`
`22:23.22`	`mhall`	`peterS: i'm pretty new to utf`
`22:23.26`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: but you're showing RAM errors`
`22:23.29`	`peterS`	`yeah, when nobody gets it, it's either brilliant, or ... failed. you decide.`
`22:23.33`	`paulswm`	`Hey, is mwilson still banned?`
`22:23.33`	`mhall`	`alright g2g wrt class`
`22:23.37`	`fevoldj2`	`Snake-Eyes: I even reinstalled because I couldn't figure it out before, and now the problem is back.`
`22:23.41`	`mhall`	`paulswm: presumably`
`22:23.48`	`fevoldj2`	`uh didn't mean to do that lol`
`22:23.48`	`mhall`	`paulswm: he showed up as banned in kingsley_'s site`
`22:24.00`	`mhall`	`paulswm: but don't tempt fate by asking`
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`22:24.04`	`peterS`	`paulswm: yes, and apparently will be atoning for his sins for awhile yet`
`22:24.05`	`Award`	`mhall: Do you know where the x drivers are stored? Maybe the glx package in stable is broken (or disagrees with the old one)`
`22:24.20`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: or dma problems which led to faulty decompression ?`
`22:24.26`	`paulswm`	`mhall: who is this kingsley dude anyway`
`22:24.31`	`abrotman`	`quasi_: try it .. not sure`
`22:24.43`	`mhall`	`Award: yeah /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/`
`22:24.59`	`quasi_`	`abrotman: me neither, 'cause I trid ide=nodma and also disabled the dma in bios`
`22:24.59`	`mhall`	`paulswm: www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/`
`22:25.02`	`peterS`	`paulswm: mhall has nothing more fulfilling to accomplish in life than to antagonize someone named kingsley. I don't know why this brings him such joy, but it seems to be pretty much what mhall lives for anymore`
`22:25.04`	`paulswm`	`peterS: couldn't have happened to a more deserving person, and way long overdue`
`22:25.06`	`SuperSox`	`hi, I'm getting an error trying to boot a kernel, saying /dev/hde1 can't be found, I've tried changing it to /dev/sda1 and it doesn't work either (2.4 kernel boots fine with /dev/hde1)`
`22:25.15`	`mhall`	`peterS: not quite`
`22:25.23`	`peterS`	`paulswm: I've thought so for awhile now`
`22:25.31`	`Sorcre`	`hello, I seemtobe having trouble installing software (netinstall) the core system is up, but I get an error when Itry to download the "desktop enviroment" and "standard system:`
`22:25.33`	`bop1`	`Supaplex you have SATA?`
`22:25.39`	`mhall`	`peterS: i enjoy antagonizing kingsley_ while also helping users`
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`22:25.40`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: yessir`
`22:25.46`	`fevoldj2`	`thingfish has anyone else had this problem recently? It shouldn't have happened =\`
`22:25.46`	`thingfish`	`agreed paulswm.`
`22:26.00`	`bop1`	`SuperSox look at the kernel error message, it should tell you the newly detected hd`
`22:26.13`	`peterS`	`mhall: the worst part is, he can't just put you on /ignore or his statistics gathering will be seriously hampered`
`22:26.14`	`bop1`	`before the kernel panic.`
`22:26.20`	`paulswm`	`mhall: We should be able to improve on that foul language thing a bit, like peg it at the top of the graph :P`
`22:26.22`	`mhall`	`peterS: yes extremely true`
`22:26.28`	`Award`	`mhall: no, looks good`
`22:26.30`	`Sorcre`	`the error says something along the lines of "some packages hadunmet dependencies" It seems to be KDE`
`22:26.34`	`mhall`	`paulswm: well with me on board it's headed that way`
`22:26.36`	`mhall`	`Award: !`
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`22:26.40`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: it doesn't (or at least I can't see it)`
`22:26.41`	`thingfish`	`fevoldj2: no, I haven't seen anyone reporting such behavior.`
`22:26.54`	`mhall`	`paulswm: my goal is to make the son of a bitch re-scale`
`22:27.02`	`thingfish`	`fevoldj2: what's the error message?`
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`22:27.24`	`bop1`	`SuperSox ok in lilo try label root=/dev/sde1 etc till you can it correctly`
`22:27.37`	`helix`	`peterS: are you excited about the potential fun of adding AS support to cplay?`
`22:27.40`	`bop1`	`if youre sure your -root- filesystem was /dev/hde1`
`22:27.46`	`peterS`	`mhall: the reason I mentioned combining unicode characters, btw, is that while it's practical to render western european languages with precomposed characters, the same is not true for most other non-latin character sets. so xterm's ability to compose characters is very important, and so is the lack of same in other terminal programs`
`22:27.50`	`bop1`	`then stick to '1' but try different letters,`
`22:27.51`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: hummm brute force lol`
`22:27.52`	`peterS`	`helix: it does look like fun, doesn't it?`
`22:28.00`	`helix`	`I have no idea, I avoid python`
`22:28.08`	`helix`	`it would be fun to have, that's all I know`
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`22:28.25`	`bop1`	`SuperSox heh yea well.. if you have a serial cable then connect it to other computer and use 'append="console=ttys0, 8200"' or whatever`
`22:28.33`	`peterS`	`helix: I avoid python too except when dealing with cplay. I look at your AS bug as a challenge to see if I can do anything nontrivial in that language (:`
`22:28.35`	`bop1`	`so it will dump the kernel output to the console, then ull be able to see the error`
`22:28.44`	`helix`	`peterS: hmm is it really nontrivial?`
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`22:28.57`	`helix`	`clint's got some basic functionality written in zsh`
`22:28.58`	`paulswm`	`kingsley_: in case you lastlog, most of the words you list in your foul language report are not profanity as the directory name would suggest, and, in fact, many of them are not even foul language, your accuracy needs much improvement`
`22:28.58`	`valdyn`	`bop1: btw:http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/10/25/transparent_proxy.html`
`22:29.09`	`Sorcre`	`Is there a way to select individual packages in the AMD64 netinst image?`
`22:29.11`	`peterS`	`helix: well, that's of course a matter of perspective. it's trivial insofar as the plugin is basically already written, but for me it'll be nontrivial to integrate it into cplay`
`22:29.14`	`bop1`	`valdyn whats that`
`22:29.17`	`helix`	`but I dunno how portable it is to python with the rbscrobbler thingy for comparison`
`22:29.24`	`helix`	`peterS: yeah, no doubt`
`22:29.29`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: humm, could do that... but I'm using grub`
`22:29.37`	`peterS`	`helix: so like it'll be trivial compared to writing an AS module from scratch. but.`
`22:29.37`	`bop1`	`valdyn i figured how it does it. i dont understand how its gonna work with HTTP/1.0 though`
`22:29.40`	`valdyn`	`bop1: explains how transparent proxy works`
`22:29.43`	`helix`	`heh`
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`22:30.12`	`peterS`	`helix: the difficulty, in part, is doing all this in an asynchronous manner. like not bringing the player to a screeching halt when connecting to and sending data to the AS server`
`22:30.23`	`helix`	`peterS: you know it's not my style to file bugs, but good god, the other music players are SO BAD`
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`22:30.28`	`peterS`	`helix: this is something a zsh script may not have to deal with`
`22:30.36`	`helix`	`ooh`
`22:30.38`	`helix`	`yeah maybe`
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`22:30.52`	`helix`	`peterS: http://xana.scru.org/quanks/ogginfo2scrobble.html`
`22:30.57`	`helix`	`just ftr`
`22:31.03`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: ahh damn, just noticed my serial cable is DB9 to DB25 not DB9 to DB9 :(`
`22:31.08`	`fevoldj2`	`thingfish it's an error in init... a permission error with /sbin/getty`
`22:31.17`	`peterS`	`the other difficulty is testing something without having one's own AS account. maybe I'll create a dummy account for the purpose, maybe I won't`
`22:31.34`	`helix`	`I'm happy to beta test of course`
`22:31.51`	`bop1`	`Supaplex try sde`
`22:31.54`	`peterS`	`of course`
`22:31.56`	`bop1`	`Supaplex sde1 that is`
`22:32.05`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: will do`
`22:32.11`	`paulswm`	`kingsley_: an ass is a donkeny, a jackass is a male ass, a bitch is a female dog, a whore is a prostitute, etc - although thse words may be used in an insulting context they are not foul language. Methinks that you need to get a life or grow up or both`
`22:32.20`	`paulswm`	`Sorry, jsut made me a bit cross`
`22:32.27`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: same error`
`22:32.32`	`helix`	`is kingsley even talking?`
`22:32.43`	`eeyore-`	`paulswm: ^5`
`22:32.43`	`beardy`	`No, not that I know anyway.`
`22:32.48`	`beardy`	`paulswm: I agree`
`22:33.07`	`paulswm`	`helix: No, just letting off steam and hoping he lastlogs, he obviously must be logging to come up with his dumb lists`
`22:33.12`	`peterS`	`helix: no, it's mhall's new mission in life to try and antagonize kingsley_. so far as I can tell, the guy is completely ignoring mhall. which makes it kind of comical.`
`22:33.17`	`helix`	`please let off steam elsewhere`
`22:33.26`	`thingfish`	`kingsley doesn't say anything even when he talks.`
`22:33.33`	`helix`	`that is comical`
`22:33.50`	`peterS`	`in other words, he WNBT but mhall refuses to give up trying`
`22:33.55`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: should I just work my way through the alphabet? ;)`
`22:34.00`	`hefty`	`hi`
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`22:34.01`	`helix`	`that is the hallmark of a stupid troll`
`22:34.03`	`paulswm`	`helix: very well, if talking to another inhabitant is now not allowed, I will be happy to leave.`
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`22:34.17`	`helix`	`was that a joke?`
`22:34.21`	`beardy`	`heh`
`22:34.24`	`beardy`	`who knows..`
`22:34.27`	`peterS`	`hmm, I was about to say "paulswm: don't be dense, you know what she meant" but I didn't get it in in time`
`22:34.32`	`helix`	`alas`
`22:34.41`	`eeyore-`	`helix: be nice :-7`
`22:34.52`	`abrotman`	`nice -7 ?`
`22:35.11`	`phogg`	`What does nice even do anymore?`
`22:35.13`	`helix`	`you should +q me before I get out of hand`
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`22:35.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`same thing nice has always done.`
`22:35.32`	`abrotman`	`helix: the guy apparently took it upon himself to count bans/profanity in the channel .. the profane words being counted are .. silly ..`
`22:35.43`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: to say the least`
`22:35.49`	`abrotman`	`yes ..`
`22:35.53`	`beardy`	`mm`
`22:36.02`	`SuperSox`	`bop1: is there any other prefixes/devices I could try?`
`22:36.24`	`abrotman`	`though .. apparently i say 'damn' a lot :)`
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`22:36.26`	`peterS`	`abrotman: it's hard to beat, for silliness, how bad you've all been trolled`
`22:36.38`	`thingfish`	`oh, is "damn" bad?`
`22:36.43`	`TheCount`	`abrotman: damn!`
`22:36.47`	`abrotman`	`peterS: i tried to help at first .. but the words that are being counted are silly`
`22:36.48`	`thingfish`	`shit.`
`22:36.49`	`eeyore-`	`Hoover Dam!`
`22:36.55`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`22:36.59`	`eeyore-`	`Shitake Mushroom!`
`22:37.02`	`TheCount`	`thingfish: fuck, don't say something like that!!!`
`22:37.10`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`22:37.11`	`SuperSox`	`we could all 'sing' that song that Blink182 do...`
`22:37.13`	`zulu42`	`does someone use libtiff? I don't understand why it's not an obligation to tell if data is signed or unsigned in the tiff spec...`
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`22:37.19`	`helix`	`abrotman: oh that guy yeah -- so mhall is trying to make us look worse by annoying him more?`
`22:37.21`	`phogg`	`Cock-A-Doodle-Do!`
`22:37.31`	`SuperSox`	`starts something like "Bitch shit cock sucker motherfucker bitch piss cock" or something`
`22:37.44`	`abrotman`	`helix: well .. i wouldn't say it makes us look worse .. since most of the cursing seems to be directed at the counter :)`
`22:37.53`	`TheCount`	`SuperSox: sounds like a healthy 'cunt' missing there to me.`
`22:37.56`	`RichiH`	`helix: i have not heard of people taking that list seriously`
`22:38.09`	`peterS`	`why? why would anyone take it seriously?`
`22:38.14`	`TheCount`	`what counter? ;)`
`22:38.16`	`SuperSox`	`TheCount: could well be :) I avoided it because although we are talking in jest some people get seriously offended by that one ;)`
`22:38.16`	`helix`	`RichiH: does that somehow make the "offenders" any more clever or innocent?`
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`22:38.18`	`abrotman`	`damn it .. you sohuld!`
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`22:38.29`	`phogg`	`SuperSox: we could sing "Kyle's Mom" or quote any three seconds of any Kevin Smith movie.`
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`22:38.34`	`eeyore-`	`i've been desensitized by rotten, ogrish, and fark`
`22:38.43`	`thingfish`	`Kansas fundamentalists take it seriously.`
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`22:38.50`	`SuperSox`	`phogg: haha, especially the opening sequence to 'Jay and Silent Bob'`
`22:38.53`	`maatttt`	`is there a tutorial for install a really litye version of debian ?`
`22:38.54`	`RichiH`	`helix: i did not say i approve of attacking kingsley`
`22:38.56`	`maatttt`	`light`
`22:38.56`	`peterS`	`thingfish: do we have any of those in this channel? do you know any?`
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`22:38.59`	`TheCount`	`SuperSox: offense isn't given to someone, it's taken ;)`
`22:39.12`	`beardy`	`maatttt: smaller than a base system?`
`22:39.14`	`SuperSox`	`TheCount: haha, never a truer word spoken!`
`22:39.15`	`RichiH`	`helix: i referred to a different thing`
`22:39.16`	`peterS`	`thingfish: if not, that's stupid stereotyping (as opposed to informed stereotyping)`
`22:39.24`	`RichiH`	`anyway, that list is best ignored`
`22:39.24`	`thingfish`	`peterS: I live next to the state.`
`22:39.27`	`maatttt`	`Does the base system have any fat ?`
`22:39.33`	`CasaNova_`	`Please point me to a link if necesary - I used to be able to login when someone else had the desktop locked (log in a as different user) but now we can't (Xscreensaver 4.23).`
`22:39.35`	`helix`	`ok`
`22:39.47`	`helix`	`yay raw`
`22:39.50`	`beardy`	`maatttt: fat? The filesystem, or what?`
`22:39.56`	`peterS`	`thingfish: then why not say fundamentalists from wherever you actually do live? I mean, you know, the kind you might plausibly have seen take the site seriously`
`22:40.01`	`helix`	`actually you could buy nearly any of his books and learn roughly the same thing`
`22:40.04`	`CasaNova_`	`I use Gnome as a desktop with Xscreensaver - perhaps I need a Gnome specific screensaver?`
`22:40.06`	`thingfish`	`sounds interesting, TheCount.`
`22:40.09`	`SuperSox`	`I'm still trying to find the time to read the DaVinci code :'(`
`22:40.15`	`helix`	`mostly about pot smoking being the key to life`
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`22:40.28`	`maatttt`	`sorry, does the base system install anything non essential ?`
`22:40.37`	`maatttt`	`it seems to load a lot of modules`
`22:40.38`	`TheCount`	`SuperSox: oh, you have all the time of the world. depends on how you manage your attention - there is no such thing like 'time management' ;)`
`22:40.50`	`thingfish`	`peterS: because where I live, we didn't just pass a law in favor of teaching intelligent design.`
`22:40.55`	`helix`	`spoken like a true RAW fan`
`22:40.58`	`peterS`	`thingfish: who did?`
`22:41.02`	`nkuttler`	`maatttt: like?`
`22:41.05`	`helix`	`kansas did, didn't it?`
`22:41.08`	`peterS`	`no`
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`22:41.17`	`helix`	`hm, seriously?`
`22:41.19`	`TheCount`	`thingfish: enlightening, to say the least - unless you have a fundamentalistic view on reality you don't like to have threatened ;)`
`22:41.21`	`helix`	`was it voted down?`
`22:41.21`	`SimonRaven`	`yes`
`22:41.23`	`thingfish`	`peterS: the people of the state of Kansas did.`
`22:41.27`	`maatttt`	`like all the ide chip set stuff, is that just for the install ?`
`22:41.31`	`peterS`	`although from the hysterics surrounding the issue, one could be forgiven for thinking kansas did`
`22:41.39`	`valdyn`	`maatttt: its for driving your harddisk`
`22:41.39`	`peterS`	`talk about a successful troll`
`22:41.42`	`SuperSox`	`TheCount: there's nothing quite as time sapping as an honours year at university... or so I've found :)`
`22:41.45`	`SimonRaven`	`oh`
`22:41.46`	`thingfish`	`no, it was voted in.`
`22:41.48`	`helix`	`I'm not hysterical, so please tell me what happened :)`
`22:41.51`	`thingfish`	`am I mistaken?`
`22:41.53`	`valdyn`	`maatttt: you dont really want to do anything without that module`
`22:41.57`	`SuperSox`	`peterS: bleh, it's nice to talk off-topic from time to time ;)`
`22:42.07`	`TheCount`	`SuperSox: what's a honours year?`
`22:42.14`	`maatttt`	`sure but if you use the Expert install is show a lot of ide drivers.`
`22:42.15`	`thingfish`	`if I'm mistaken, it's a horrible mistake.`
`22:42.17`	`zulu42`	`does some one use xcompmgr under debian?`
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`22:42.21`	`maatttt`	`surely they are not all needed.`
`22:42.21`	`peterS`	`I didn't really follow or vote on it, but I thought it was just a matter of the school board voting in favor of allowing a critical viewpoint to be taught w/r/t evolution by natural selection`
`22:42.22`	`zulu42`	`why there is no package?`
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`22:42.31`	`SuperSox`	`TheCount: Final (in my case) fourth year at university - usually when one would write a disertation or the like`
`22:42.31`	`CasaNova_`	`Did Xscreensaver 4.23 removet the ability to log in asa aseperate user - when used to lock screen in Gnome?`
`22:42.31`	`thingfish`	`now I'm going to have to look...`
`22:42.34`	`nkuttler`	`maatttt: the installer is supposed to support a lot of hardware`
`22:42.40`	`SuperSox`	`TheCount: I'm generalizing`
`22:42.45`	`TheCount`	`SuperSox: ah, okay.`
`22:42.52`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: it's not like it was for ID to be taught in class. i think it was more of allowing a statement about ID to be read in class, no?`
`22:43.15`	`eeyore-`	`or was that a different state ...`
`22:43.15`	`beardy`	`maatttt: modules is the kernels business, if what the base system installa can be considered non-essential or not can be discussed until the end of time, but if you think it's too much, remove what you don't want? If it's going to be installed on an old machine with very limited diskspace, perhaps installing on another machine, and copying the system over could be an idea.`
`22:43.24`	`maatttt`	`yeah, sure, but does it install all hte drivers, or just those it detects as needed ?`
`22:43.28`	`SuperSox`	`TheCount: I'm currently writing a paper on wireless security (or lack-there-of) and documenting how I'm going to code a multi-user text editor next semseter`
`22:43.33`	`TheCount`	`well, Darwinism isn't that much better than intelligent design, after all.`
`22:43.48`	`peterS`	`I am really just bemused by the whole issue. especially how people simultaneously believe that evolution by natural selection is such a secure theory as to to allow no reasonable doubt, yet also so fragile as to need to be protected from any competition being mentioned`
`22:43.52`	`valdyn`	`maatttt: all drivers get installed to your harddisk, only those needed get loaded`
`22:43.54`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: before I make too much more of an ass of myself, I'd better refrain from commenting more at present. I'm researching.`
`22:43.57`	`peterS`	`I don't see how you can have it both ways`
`22:43.58`	`eeyore-`	`TheCount: it's not? it sure as heck doesn't invoke any "mastermind" to explain things`
`22:44.24`	`beardy`	`maatttt: All modules are installed (except the pcmcia ones, I think) but only what is needed (hopefully, but possibly some more) are loaded`
`22:44.25`	`TheCount`	`eeyore-: but it is just trying to explain things .. it's a theory nonetheless.`
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`22:44.37`	`maatttt`	`ok, is there a way to clean out stuff which isn't needed later, I want a really small install.`
`22:44.43`	`eeyore-`	`TheCount: it's trying to sneak creationism in the back door :-) that's what it's doing`
`22:44.44`	`thingfish`	`http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/11/08/evolution.debate.ap/`
`22:44.53`	`peterS`	`also, I totally fail to see what evolution by natural selection has to do with statistics gathered about foul language`
`22:44.54`	`nkuttler`	`maatttt: build your own kernel`
`22:44.54`	`valdyn`	`maatttt: small like how many megabyte?`
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`22:44.58`	`peterS`	`can anyone explain that, please?`
`22:45.09`	`beardy`	`maatttt: Are you talking about size, or a small and lean kernel?`
`22:45.20`	`maatttt`	`I wanted to try an runn it all in ram, and I only have 127mb`
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`22:45.27`	`maatttt`	`ramdrive`
`22:45.35`	`SuperSox`	`my favorite argument for evolutionism is the cancer argument, that is an 'evolved' cell, the usual counter argument is that it's no good because cancer is destructive, so it isn't evolution at all... well... cancer is only destructive from the hosts point of view, as far as the cells are concerned they are doing a bloody good job of reproducing`
`22:45.40`	`maatttt`	`no harddisk, boot from cf`
`22:45.43`	`toresbe`	`I find it very cute that debian can get trolled this badly by a person who doesn't even see anything`
`22:45.43`	`uwe`	`um , why can i shutdown the machine from the shell while im a normal user by typing /sbin/shutdown, or see ifconfig by typing /sbin/ifconfig !! i shouldnt be able to do that! right?`
`22:45.49`	`TheCount`	`it IS creation, and as such, in total flux, all of the time, and we're happily taking part in it`
`22:45.50`	`toresbe`	`uh, say*`
`22:46.00`	`thingfish`	`" Teachers have been ordered to tell pupils that Darwin's theory of evolution is unproven, and that the universe is so complex that it may have been created by a higher power." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4419796.stm`
`22:46.04`	`TheCount`	`and every time we look at it, it's created (in our mind) different`
`22:46.04`	`blondie`	`uwe: you should certainly be able to do the latter`
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`22:46.22`	`TheCount`	`well .. what if 'god' is no noun, but a verb?`
`22:46.23`	`beardy`	`maatttt: Well, use one of the many livecds or floppies.`
`22:46.31`	`TheCount`	`and, why is there no plural for 'mind'?`
`22:46.40`	`TheCount`	`what if we're all part of the higher power?`
`22:46.42`	`valdyn`	`peterS: im not american, so im not that firm with what 'intelligent design' is about precisely, However, the point is not that evolution is true or not, the point is that intelligent design makes unscientific claims`
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`22:46.49`	`thingfish`	`TheCount: God is a whole language.`
`22:46.51`	`Spec`	`uwe: why shouldn't you be able to do "ifconfig"?`
`22:46.55`	`beardy`	`maatttt: You can't boot from cf (compact flash card?), can you?`
`22:46.55`	`maatttt`	`I don;t really want a cdrive or floppy drive in this rig.`
`22:46.58`	`TheCount`	`I recommend the thought experiment "God's debris" by Douglas Adams :)`
`22:47.03`	`sidizen`	`hi i need to give a seminar next week and i tried to hook my laptop up to a projector and it didn't communicate with the projector (i.e. it didn't project my monitor). is there some special package i need or some application i need to run? i would really rather use openoffice.org instead of powerpoint`
`22:47.06`	`peterS`	`valdyn: as opposed to claims that are not allowed to be challenged? which is the greater evil?`
`22:47.08`	`Spec`	`TheCount: you read the newsletters?`
`22:47.12`	`maatttt`	`well, this suggests I can : http://silent.gumph.org/content/4/1/011-linux-on-cf.html`
`22:47.25`	`TheCount`	`Spec: uh - please define newsletters ;)`
`22:47.30`	`thingfish`	`is that Hitchhiker's Guide Douglas Adams?`
`22:47.36`	`TheCount`	`thingfish: yeah`
`22:47.58`	`TheCount`	`thingfish: and 'god' is at least a language ;)`
`22:48.06`	`eeyore-`	`sidizen: Fn + some special key`
`22:48.11`	`nkuttler`	`sidizen: depends on your video card. try to boot with the projector connected`
`22:48.13`	`valdyn`	`peterS: hmm? scientific theories CAN be challanged by anyone at any time.`
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`22:48.23`	`uwe`	`Spec: well, i shouldnt be ablt to shutdown at least!!`
`22:48.32`	`gq_gunhed`	`uwe: e.g. check the rights for /sbin/ifconfig and/or check /etc/sudoers`
`22:48.32`	`eeyore-`	`sidizen: there should be a F-key somewhere with the picture of the monitor. basically you want to send video out to the back of the laptop, via the external VGA port`
`22:48.40`	`peterS`	`valdyn: you'd think so. and yet any time anyone challenges evolution by natural selection, you get the kind of breathless histrionics we hear about kansas`
`22:48.41`	`eeyore-`	`sidizen: so, Fn + some F-key`
`22:48.42`	`valdyn`	`peterS: id however seems to be religion, it cant be proven true nor can it be proven wrong`
`22:48.45`	`TheCount`	`and every belief system is a desperaty try of humans to get a grasp on so-called 'reality' .. science is just a different kind of theology (to me, after all)`
`22:48.50`	`maatttt`	`hey, how do you lot type each others names so fast ?`
`22:48.55`	`blondie`	`tab`
`22:48.56`	`nkuttler`	`uwe: ls -l /sbin/shutdown`
`22:48.58`	`beardy`	`maatttt: Of course you can put a filesystem image on it, but please tell me how you plan to boot it?`
`22:48.59`	`Spec`	`TheCount: scott adam's, of course`
`22:49.01`	`TheCount`	`maatttt: ma<tab>`
`22:49.07`	`Spec`	`TheCount: err, adams' :p`
`22:49.11`	`peterS`	`valdyn: as though Darwin's theory were the one thing in science that we are not allowed to question`
`22:49.13`	`uwe`	`gq_gunhed: im not in the sudoers file`
`22:49.14`	`TheCount`	`Spec: huh?`
`22:49.16`	`sidizen`	`eeyore: i'll give that a try`
`22:49.17`	`eeyore-`	`valdyn: it's creationism cloaked in quasi-scientific words trying to dress itself up as something legitimate`
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`22:49.27`	`maatttt`	`beardy: dunno yet, I'm hoping it is possible.`
`22:49.29`	`TheCount`	`Spec: uh, you're right`
`22:49.33`	`helix`	`I thought gould questioned it`
`22:49.36`	`TheCount`	`thingfish: sorry`
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`22:49.37`	`uwe`	`rwx_r_xr_x`
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`22:49.47`	`sidizen`	`eeyore: i have a dell inspiron 1100 with a i845 chip too if that helps`
`22:49.49`	`helix`	`somewhat at least? or was punctuated equilibrium just a piggyback theory`
`22:49.49`	`valdyn`	`peterS: i dont know who claims that, science is based on everyones ability to question it`
`22:49.55`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: must we allow every currently-accepted theory be challenged by every crackpot idea someone comes up with?`
`22:49.55`	`maatttt`	`I have a ide2cf module, the bios see the geometry.`
`22:50.00`	`valdyn`	`peterS: i dont know who claims that, science is based on everyones ability to question it's theories`
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`22:50.05`	`sidizen`	`eeyore: i'll give your ideas a shot and see what happens`
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`22:50.15`	`uwe`	`thats the default from debian on my box here`
`22:50.22`	`thingfish`	`TheCount: no, don't be sorry...I just missed your statement, spacing off here.`
`22:50.27`	`TheCount`	`valdyn: but you can't rely on your senses, so what outside your brain you can rely on? ;)`
`22:50.29`	`eeyore-`	`valdyn: but this is public school, with limited funds, it's a whole different ballgame`
`22:50.29`	`peterS`	`helix: gould isn't in an academic setting, I was talking about what's allowed in a classroom. from what I understand it, he did recognise the limitations of classic Darwinism and attempted to refine the theory to make more senes`
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`22:50.33`	`peterS`	`sense`
`22:50.39`	`SimonRaven`	`valdyn: ideally. some branches are more conservative than others`
`22:50.44`	`thingfish`	`all belief systems are attempts to make sense out of the world in which we find ourselves.`
`22:50.49`	`nkuttler`	`uwe: read man shutdown`
`22:50.53`	`Spec`	`TheCount: the DNRC, there was a newsletter today that mentioned "God's debris"`
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`22:51.00`	`eeyore-`	`valdyn: discuss ID in the arena of the scientific discussion eslewhere outside the classrooms where we're trying to teach kids with limited amount of money, teacher, etc.`
`22:51.04`	`Spec`	`TheCount: dilbert, etc: http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/godsdebris/`
`22:51.12`	`peterS`	`valdyn: I would have thought so too, but it seems Darwinism in the classroom is pretty much untouchable. witness what happens when someone touches it`
`22:51.12`	`beardy`	`maatttt: Without a floppy, cd or other bootable media to boot and then hand it over to the cf-card, I doubt you can accomplish that easily. If at all.`
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`22:51.15`	`TheCount`	`wrt to senses fooling you: http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/OpticalIllusions/colourPerception/colourPerception.html`
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`22:51.25`	`TheCount`	`Spec: ah - different continent ;)`
`22:51.34`	`gq_gunhed`	`uwe: i checked my system here. I've got 755(root, root) for /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/shutdown. So this seems to be "normal"`
`22:51.49`	`beardy`	`maatttt: Perhaps you could trick the bios that the cf card is something else, but you have to know what you are doing then.`
`22:51.53`	`valdyn`	`peterS: probably, that's not how I understood the discussion that is going on, but if that is so.. the sadder`
`22:52.16`	`Sorcre`	`Would someone mind helping me for a second? I'm getting a dependency error (AMD64 netinstal) I tried the manual package selection screen but it couldn't find them`
`22:52.20`	`gq_gunhed`	`uwe: change permissions if you want to restrict access to it.`
`22:52.22`	`peterS`	`valdyn: it's a very strange debate. well, it's political, which means that most people arguing the loudest on both sides don't really understand the issues or the actual propositions in question`
`22:52.37`	`TheCount`	`I think kids should be taught to teach themselves, question everything, and how to deduct their own answers - and they should have free and full access to each and every world view someone else founded.`
`22:52.38`	`peterS`	`valdyn: I guess that's true for just about anything political`
`22:52.41`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: how would you feel if someone proposes to teach BlackLight Power's theory in quantum mechanics class?`
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`22:52.53`	`maatttt`	`beardy: well, i'm going to try. :)`
`22:52.54`	`thingfish`	`I would state my personal beliefs, but they're irrelevant. As they would be in a public school setting.`
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`22:53.07`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: I'd shrug because I've never heard of it, and I don't know enough QM to have any idea what it would be`
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`22:53.27`	`beardy`	`maatttt: Good luck :)`
`22:53.41`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: was just trying to find something that's "not yet proven beyond reasonable doubt" that could relate`
`22:53.42`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: however, mentioning Einstein's famous quote that QM is implausible because God doesn't play dice with the universe doesn't seem at all out of line in such a class`
`22:53.47`	`thingfish`	`TheCount: agreed: children, and all learners, should have access to as much information as possible.`
`22:53.57`	`thingfish`	`from as many sources as possible.`
`22:54.08`	`SimonRaven`	`even my own people's origin legends don't pretend that the world was created 6 000 years ago`
`22:54.24`	`TheCount`	`thingfish: yeah`
`22:54.32`	`peterS`	`I think most folk legends about the origins of the world don't specify any particular time scale`
`22:54.38`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: you don't actually have a kid, do you? :-)`
`22:54.41`	`peterS`	`it was all just "long ago"`
`22:54.46`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: well - if someone told you the world (including you and all of your memories) was created 15 minutes ago, would you be able to prove it otherwise?`
`22:54.51`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: oh god no.`
`22:55.16`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: then you're just talking out your rear end :-) maybe when you actually deal with kids for some time ...`
`22:55.33`	`Award`	`Why would startx try loading the nvidia module more than once? The error I'm getting is from insmod`
`22:55.35`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: you know, good point, because I was thinking about that as I typed what I wrote previously. How it sounds good, but is probably way off when it comes to what kids need.`
`22:55.47`	`TheCount`	`.o( maybe we'd be so much better of as animals .. sleep, eat, run, hunt, fuck, sleep, have a nice day .. )`
`22:55.55`	`valdyn`	`!insmod`
`22:55.56`	`dpkg`	`Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?`
`22:55.56`	`beardy`	`maatttt: How much space do you have on the card, and what are the specs of the machine (cpu and ram) that you are going to boot with it?`
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`22:56.18`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: let me look up this article ...`
`22:56.18`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: yes`
`22:56.27`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: it's pretty patronising to assume that kids have to be protected against incorrect ideas until they are 18. I think it's possible to give them a lot more credit to be able to think for themselves`
`22:56.33`	`beardy`	`what happened with modconf really?`
`22:56.35`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: yes about what? ;)`
`22:56.42`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/11/16/national/a111404S62.DTL`
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`22:56.55`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: that's not what i was getting at ...`
`22:56.57`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: yes i would be able to prove it otherwise`
`22:56.59`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: ok, I'll read that.`
`22:57.02`	`CasaNova_`	`I run Debian testing - Gnome Desktop. WHen I locked dektop I could log in as a different user, but now Xscreensaver 4.23 does nto have that option, do I need to switch to a different screen saver (xlock etc) or did the code change in a reent upgrade to block that? or is it a setting I ccan change?`
`22:57.04`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: tell me how?`
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`22:57.36`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: the ways are countless. 15 minutes ago people were talking about this subject`
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`22:57.45`	`beardy`	`CasaNova_: Isn't that an option of gnome, and has nothing to do with any screensaver?`
`22:57.52`	`Spec`	`TheCount: you said it was douglas adams?, it's scott adams who wrote it, douglas adams is dead`
`22:57.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`SimonRaven: or did you merely have a memory of people talking about this subject 15 minutes ago?`
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`22:58.07`	`peterS`	`SimonRaven: his point is that any proof you offer would be rejected on the premise that your memory, and all evidence such as IRC logs, were manufactured 15 minutes ago`
`22:58.08`	`TheCount`	`Spec: yes, I already agreed on that with you :)`
`22:58.10`	`Spec`	`ohh`
`22:58.11`	`Spec`	`:p`
`22:58.16`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: i have objective evidence sayng so. client logs`
`22:58.18`	`TheCount`	`Spec: and it was written before douglas adams died, btw`
`22:58.20`	`Spec`	`sorry, am doing no less than 50,000 things`
`22:58.22`	`CasaNova_`	`beardy: I'm not sure - I didn;t change anything in gnome but I do run regular updates adn the xscreensaver that pops up after I lock the desktop loosk different...`
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`22:58.31`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: they were also greated 15 minutes ago.`
`22:58.36`	`TheCount`	`s/greated/created/`
`22:58.39`	`Spec`	`ah, it's been out for a while? i'll need to read it, i've never heard of it until today`
`22:58.40`	`man_in_shack`	`does anyone here use apt-cacher?`
`22:58.45`	`SimonRaven`	`peterS: everything is manufactured. eith by human hands, or otherwise`
`22:58.48`	`TheCount`	`Spec: do so :)`
`22:58.50`	`thingfish`	`oh yes, eeyore-, I read that earlier. I surely didn't mean to give the impression that I would condone such behavior.`
`22:58.53`	`Spec`	`it's free now, so why not? :p`
`22:58.58`	`TheCount`	`'who is the master who makes the grass green?'`
`22:59.01`	`beardy`	`CasaNova_: Ok, well, perhaps it just chooses a random one?`
`22:59.11`	`peterS`	`SimonRaven: he's trying to demonstrate that that sort of assertion is impossible to disprove, because any evidence you can find will be rejected on exactly the same basis`
`22:59.13`	`thingfish`	`Jack in the Green.`
`22:59.18`	`thingfish`	`of course!`
`22:59.27`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: i didn't have a memory of it, since 18 minutes go i wasn't following the convo`
`22:59.30`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: that story illustrates there are two sides to look at the issue. is the mother right? is the "ivory tower" expert right?`
`22:59.30`	`beardy`	`CasaNova_: Anyway, I don't think the screensaver cares about user switching.`
`22:59.35`	`CasaNova_`	`beardy - true Xscreensaver chooses random screen "savers" but the Xscreensaver runs as a daemon..`
`22:59.38`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: personally, i side with the mother`
`22:59.39`	`TheCount`	`I can also recommend 'Zen Flesh, Zen Bones (Shambhala Pocket Classics)' :)`
`22:59.52`	`CasaNova_`	`beardy - I jsut was wondering if anyone knew where I could set that...`
`22:59.59`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: you're disgressing!`
`23:00.02`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: and if the expert had bothered to ask the kid, he would have known the answer (to be contradicting with his own opinion, anyway)`
`23:00.11`	`SimonRaven`	`peterS: what is that assertion based on? ;)`
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`23:00.21`	`TheCount`	`s/disgressing/distracting/`
`23:00.21`	`beardy`	`CasaNova_: Probably in gnomes control panel (don't know what it's called, but something like that)`
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`23:00.25`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: hardly. i answer the questions posed of me`
`23:00.36`	`TheCount`	`damn, my english is degrading. gotta go party.`
`23:00.37`	`peterS`	`SimonRaven: simple dogma`
`23:00.57`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: oh, I see what you're talking about. Well, I'm for solid punishment, but that was maybe pushing it IMO.`
`23:01.00`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: so, you can't prove the world including your memories of it wasn't created 15 minutes ago? g`
`23:01.03`	`SimonRaven`	`peterS: yeh, my point. examine everything`
`23:01.21`	`peterS`	`TheCount: this is where ockham's razor is so handy`
`23:01.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`peterS: right, but ockham's razor doesn't speak to the truth, it merely speaks to the likelyhood.`
`23:01.41`	`TheCount`	`peterS: what? :)`
`23:01.42`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: sometimes you do need to shame to make it stick. i know. i went through that when i was young. did the lesson stick? you betcha :-)`
`23:01.51`	`peterS`	`TheCount: aka occam's razor`
`23:01.52`	`thingfish`	`gosh, I have an MA in theology, and I can't even stand discussions like this anymore. I'm just too jaded and cynical.`
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`23:01.55`	`peterS`	`I don't know which spelling is more prevalent`
`23:02.01`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: of course i can. i'll post logs of 20 minutes ago, or i'll post server syslog, or do you want me to record my life from now on? ;)`
`23:02.02`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: very good point.`
`23:02.12`	`SimonRaven`	`!occam's razor`
`23:02.25`	`thingfish`	`KISS`
`23:02.25`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: did i suffer undue "psychological scar?`
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`23:02.35`	`SimonRaven`	`!scrape google for occam's razor`
`23:02.46`	`peterS`	`dondelelcaro: of course ockham's razor isn't proof. it's just a reason to reject a theory on the grounds that it's highly implausible even if nonfalsifiable`
`23:02.50`	`TheCount`	`peterS: just found out :)`
`23:02.50`	`eeyore-`	`thingfish: heck no. :-) to think that would happen is to say my psyche couldn't stand up to much ... frankly, that's patronising`
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`23:03.05`	`SimonRaven`	`what's wrong with dpkg?`
`23:03.09`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: .. which doesn't prove they weren't created within the last 15 minutes.`
`23:03.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`SimonRaven: Take it as a prior that the world was created 15 minutes ago, in exactly the state that it would have been in if it had existed for millenia.`
`23:03.27`	`beardy`	`SimonRaven: He wants to be ontopic?`
`23:03.35`	`beardy`	`dpkg: hello`
`23:03.35`	`dpkg`	`Hi, beardy!`
`23:03.39`	`beardy`	`see?`
`23:03.46`	`peterS`	`TheCount: ahh yeah. the way I used the term, it means the principle which chooses, given two alternative explanations, the simpler of the two. especially if the simpler is a lot simpler.`
`23:03.46`	`TheCount`	`dpkg: hell'o`
`23:03.49`	`thingfish`	`eeyore-: sorry, I can't always take someone's word when they say they've suffered no harm from how their parents treated them.`
`23:03.57`	`TheCount`	`peterS: nod`
`23:04.10`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: your premise that it was created before 20 minutes ago is moot anyway, since there's independent evidence that states otherwise`
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`23:04.25`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: no, there isn't.`
`23:04.29`	`SimonRaven`	`er, wasn't`
`23:04.41`	`SimonRaven`	`whatever. now i've managed to confuse myself`
`23:04.47`	`peterS`	`you know, this reminds me of heinlein's "Job"`
`23:04.53`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`23:04.56`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: congratulations :) nothing better on the path to enlightenment g`
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`23:05.11`	`peterS`	`not that great of a book, overall, but it explores the idea of manufacturing a world to look a certain way, on demand, so that its inhabitants can't tell the difference`
`23:05.14`	`TheCount`	`peterS: oooh, yeah. great book. only read the german translation, thou`
`23:05.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`SimonRaven: their can't be. The universe is in a state. There are multiple paths to the state that it is currently in. Not all require going through the state that the universe was in 3 minutes ago.`
`23:05.24`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, read that`
`23:05.36`	`blondie`	`cuckoo :D`
`23:05.40`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: that's true. it could've taken another course`
`23:05.42`	`blondie`	`er wrong window`
`23:05.43`	`TheCount`	`peterS: I think it'S great because it challenges the mind / maybe existing fundamentalistic structures inside it`
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`23:06.14`	`Sorcre`	`Quick question, what is the differencebetween Xserver-Xorg and Xserver-xorgs-dbg ?`
`23:06.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`SimonRaven: and since you can't have knowledge of any other states, there's no way of knowing which path was taken.`
`23:06.20`	`peterS`	`TheCount: like most of heinlein's books, it contains some creative ideas, but nothing that fundamentally changed the way I view the world. maybe I'm just not sensitive enough to his ideas`
`23:06.25`	`TheCount`	`dondelelcaro: .. or at least the state we think the world was in 3 minutes ago`
`23:06.28`	`SimonRaven`	`one's for debugging, the other isn't`
`23:06.34`	`eeyore-`	`are you guys talking about .... what's that word .... "the earth was created <n> years ago but in such a way as to make it look old"? what's the word for that ....`
`23:06.46`	`Sorcre`	`thanks`
`23:06.54`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: I think that was TheCount's original point, yes. I don't know if it has another name`
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`23:07.06`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: it has a name, and a book written about it`
`23:07.07`	`*** part/#debian man_in_shack (n=shack@58.163.134.240)`
`23:07.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`eeyore-: "a practical joker named God, the bastard"`
`23:07.13`	`TheCount`	`peterS: .. or further developed than would be helpful to get the same effect as others`
`23:07.41`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: well, that's where i diverge. since you're assuming that people cannot perceive those other states, or that people cannot perceive that there aren't any. how so do you think we can even imagine there are, if we can't perceive them?`
`23:07.53`	`brosioz`	`in proc`
`23:08.00`	`SimonRaven`	`or even have an inkling`
`23:08.03`	`brosioz`	`in proc where is the kernel config file ??`
`23:08.10`	`peterS`	`SimonRaven: it's a giant thought experiment. you can't perceive the other states, but that doesn't stop one from theorizing that there could be those other states.`
`23:08.32`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: you can't rely on perception, it's all in your head. everything else is interpretation, and, as you said yourself, there for examination.`
`23:08.57`	`SimonRaven`	`peterS: and how do you theorise this, otheriwse?`
`23:09.16`	`TheCount`	`maybe I'm totally retarded, drooling, lying around somwhere, imagining the lot of you. I'd never know. (think matrix)`
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`23:09.28`	`peterS`	`TheCount: yet you can't rely on logic either, because that's limited to the breadth of your imagination`
`23:09.35`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: this is where we can only rely on subjective evidence, being cross-examined by years of experience, across many cultures`
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`23:09.59`	`TheCount`	`peterS: yeah, RAW talks a lot about aristothelean logic and what's the problem with it ...`
`23:10.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 785] by debhelper`
`23:10.13`	`peterS`	`TheCount: constructing a true/false logic declaration entails satisfying yourself that no third alternative exists. and that's a matter of whether your imagination is sufficient to think of all the third alternatives that could exist`
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`23:10.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`SimonRaven: can you project something in three dimensions onto two? [can a state machine be an universal touring machine?]`
`23:10.35`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: _subjective_ evidence is it. "it seems all the same to us".`
`23:10.35`	`guru`	`what daemon did i need to install in order to get battery information from acpi?`
`23:10.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`s/our/ur/`
`23:10.41`	`SimonRaven`	`we can't. our Ci[4~ would blowmnds`
`23:10.45`	`SimonRaven`	`argh`
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`23:10.51`	`sidizen`	`thanks guys that worked!`
`23:10.55`	`SimonRaven`	`"we can't our minds would blow"`
`23:10.56`	`TheCount`	`peterS: tell ME about it ;)`
`23:11.05`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: you only think so ;) gg`
`23:11.07`	`sidizen`	`except that i have a strange band across the top of my screen where X is messing up`
`23:11.10`	`nkuttler`	`guru: apt-cache search acpi, acpid`
`23:11.25`	`TheCount`	`ok. I really should get going.`
`23:11.29`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: not perfectly, no`
`23:11.33`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: "omphalos"`
`23:11.41`	`TheCount`	`nice off-topic dicussions here ;)`
`23:11.44`	`guru`	`thanks`
`23:11.49`	`peterS`	`omphalos? is that a greek word involving creation of an old earth?`
`23:11.51`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis`
`23:11.56`	`thingfish`	`well, it is Friday evening.`
`23:11.58`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: i know so. see ya`
`23:12.10`	`SimonRaven`	`peterS: hehe`
`23:12.19`	`thingfish`	`just shows you that some really cool people hang out in #debian.`
`23:12.21`	`peterS`	`thingfish: right, so we still have well over 24 hours before Sunday, most parts of the world`
`23:12.31`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: like we say in german: Wenn du denkst, du denkst, denkst du nur du denkst, denn das Denken der Gedanken ist gedankenloses Denken.`
`23:12.31`	`peterS`	`thingfish: the channel isn't supposed to fall apart completely until then`
`23:12.36`	`paulswm`	`Yes, Friday evening and the delectable Jennifer Love Hewitt is on TV in the US`
`23:12.39`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: but, we're imperfect anyway, we do have limitations`
`23:12.50`	`eeyore-`	`mmmmmm, turkey!`
`23:12.57`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: i don't understand german`
`23:12.58`	`valdyn`	`guru: you dont need any deamon to get information from acpi, your can however use a daemon to react on acpi events`
`23:13.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`SimonRaven: sure; that's perfectly ok... the main idea though, is that your knowledge of previous states occurs through the state that your mind is in in the current state.`
`23:13.14`	`peterS`	`SimonRaven: you just have to understand the word 'denkst' which means "(you) think"`
`23:13.34`	`thingfish`	`hehe peterS`
`23:13.44`	`SimonRaven`	`ok, but there's other words that i don't grok, that would make the sentence make sense ;)`
`23:13.46`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: If you think you think, you only think you think, as the thinking of thoughts is only thoughtless Thinking.`
`23:14.01`	`thingfish`	`that kind of sounds like whitehead...`
`23:14.07`	`gq_gunhed`	`TheCount: I only know a song that is similar to your phrase ;-)`
`23:14.08`	`brosioz`	`in proc where is the kernel config file ??`
`23:14.16`	`peterS`	`/nick thinkfish`
`23:14.19`	`TheCount`	`gq_gunhed: which one? :)`
`23:14.45`	`gq_gunhed`	`Wenn Du denkst, du denkst, dann denkst Du nur Du denkst.... (ok - is an old one ggg)`
`23:14.46`	`peterS`	`gq_gunhed: sounds vaguely like TMBG, doesn't it?`
`23:14.49`	`SimonRaven`	`are those really thoughts, or are they something else? and what is thought? emotional responses, hormones? psychic waves? what?`
`23:15.01`	`TheCount`	`gq_gunhed: which is why I was talking about ;)`
`23:15.16`	`gq_gunhed`	`peterS: TMBG ?`
`23:15.17`	`oberon`	`brosioz: /proc/config.gz`
`23:15.31`	`brosioz`	`oberon, i don't have config.gz :��`
`23:15.32`	`peterS`	`gq_gunhed: oh sorry, "They Might Be Giants", a band whose songs sometimes sound like those kinds of phrases`
`23:15.40`	`paulswm`	`eeyore-: If M theory is correct, then a universe could exists with precisely the characteristics proposed by the omphalos hypothesis :)`
`23:15.43`	`brosioz`	`another plase to find it ?`
`23:15.45`	`thingfish`	`they're cool, TMBG`
`23:15.52`	`oberon`	`so that feature is not implemented in your kernel - bad luck`
`23:15.52`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: I think more. I think 'people' are morphogenic/energy fields with a physical body roughly in it's center.`
`23:16.06`	`eeyore-`	`paulswm: i don't believe in infinite-universe theory`
`23:16.26`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: ah, getting into my territory ;)`
`23:16.27`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: the human brain etc. are just tools for this energy field to be able to 'perceive' or act out causality/linearity`
`23:16.32`	`nkuttler`	`brosioz: /boot/`
`23:16.47`	`ziupiu`	brosioz, /boot/config-`uname -r`
`23:16.55`	`eeyore-`	`paulswm: uh, infinite-universes`
`23:17.07`	`gq_gunhed`	`peterS: ah, ok`
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`23:17.24`	`SimonRaven`	`i gotta go, too. see ya`
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`23:17.32`	`TheCount`	`(to me, after all - and I only speak for myself, that's enought trouble in itself)`
`23:17.36`	`paulswm`	`eeyore-: I find M theory intriguing but I don't have the mathematical background to really understand it, except that it just pushes the same question further back: where did the first brane come from? :)`
`23:17.38`	`eeyore-`	`TheCount: in other words, you believe in "soul" and embodification of a soul`
`23:17.50`	`TheCount`	`yeah, I should go shower and shave as well - and have a shot of vodka as well`
`23:17.57`	`TheCount`	`eeyore-: depends on the definition.`
`23:18.09`	`peterS`	`TheCount: very important, that shot of vodka.`
`23:18.09`	`brosioz`	`ziupiu, nkuttler but if i use that file it give me unable to mount VFS during the boot`
`23:18.13`	`TheCount`	`eeyore-: I believe in energy and life.`
`23:18.16`	`eeyore-`	`TheCount: "morphogenic/energy fields" "physical body" "center"`
`23:19.14`	`ziupiu`	`brosioz, why do you use that file?`
`23:19.19`	`TheCount`	`eeyore-: we'd have to talk a lot more to get to a common ground on which we could talk about how to understand each other :)`
`23:19.19`	`sidizen`	`when was sarge released as stable?`
`23:19.31`	`SimonRaven`	`here's my basic philosophy. live, love, and learn. if you can't do any of those, figure out why, and fix it`
`23:19.37`	`*** join/#debian mhall (n=mhall@uop-14-118.pacific.edu)`
`23:19.42`	`mhall`	`yoyoyo`
`23:19.43`	`Award`	`Has debian stopped packaging 2.6 kernel sources? I see only 2.6.8 is there...it seems hardly worth upgrading from 2.6.3 to 2.6.8 :)`
`23:19.45`	`mhall`	`w00t`
`23:19.47`	`TheCount`	`SimonRaven: yeah. to break it down even more: be.`
`23:19.47`	`mhall`	`friday`
`23:19.49`	`nkuttler`	`sidizen: /msg dpkg sarge`
`23:19.56`	`thingfish`	`sidizen: somewhere around june 5th of this year, iirc.`
`23:20.03`	`TheCount`	`and start to be a human being, not a human doing.`
`23:20.03`	`mhall`	`now all i have to do is call this hot chick's number i've got and see if she's up for a happy hour celebration`
`23:20.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 776] by debhelper`
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`23:20.19`	`TheCount`	`mhall: bye, then.`
`23:20.22`	`Philomot`	`Hi there.`
`23:20.22`	`thingfish`	`oh, ok, june 6th.`
`23:20.27`	`eeyore-`	`SimonRaven: what, no "play" in there? unless it's part of "love"`
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`23:20.33`	`SimonRaven`	`TheCount: more or less, yeh`
`23:20.35`	`mhall`	`TheCount: it's only 3:20 so far though`
`23:20.38`	`SimonRaven`	`eeyore-: part of it`
`23:20.39`	`TheCount`	`eeyore-: or live`
`23:20.42`	`thingfish`	`hi there, Philomot. do you need a cold beverage?`
`23:20.44`	`TheCount`	`mhall: oh, okay`
`23:20.45`	`paulswm`	`SimonRaven: As Douglas ADams wrote, hang the sense of it and just try to keep yourself occupied as there is little chance that you'll figure out what's really going on anyway :)`
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`23:20.51`	`mhall`	`TheCount: a little more time hehe`
`23:20.55`	`eeyore-`	`SimonRaven: yeah, ok. that's part of live then`
`23:20.58`	`SimonRaven`	`eeyore-: also part of life. ;)`
`23:21.01`	`mhall`	`TheCount: plus i got to come up with a good speech`
`23:21.03`	`TheCount`	`ok, I'me going to get going NOW.`
`23:21.09`	`TheCount`	`read you in a few (after I shower)`
`23:21.10`	`mhall`	`TheCount: chicks that look like her are discriminating`
`23:21.13`	`thingfish`	`I think we try to know, but we keep butting up against our impossible limitations.`
`23:21.14`	`eeyore-`	`TheCount: have a cold/warm one for us`
`23:21.20`	`TheCount`	`mhall: don't. just be yourself.`
`23:21.33`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: what's up?`
`23:21.42`	`TheCount`	`mhall: if you're shy and goofy - be it. as long as it comes to you naturally.`
`23:21.46`	`eeyore-`	`mhall: me? nothing right now :-)`
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`23:21.51`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: did you hear the fuckin news? i made it to the top of kingsley's list!`
`23:21.52`	`webbo`	`i have this in fstab: /dev/ida/c0d0p1 / and proc/partitions shows me ida/disc0/disc for that disk in fstab. i have a new disk thats listed in partitions as ida/disc1/disc, SO im trying to figure out what the heck do i give cfdisk for that new disk`
`23:21.56`	`Philomot`	`Hey, anyone available for help with Debian?`
`23:22.01`	`eeyore-`	`mhall: no fucking way!`
`23:22.01`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: i love shitting on his day as much as anything`
`23:22.02`	`TheCount`	`back soon`
`23:22.04`	`mhall`	`Philomot: just ask`
`23:22.09`	`Philomot`	`Heh.`
`23:22.13`	`peppo`	`I've installed openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org-l10n-en-us and openoffice.org-l10n-sv, but I still have no binaries that I can start.`
`23:22.14`	`Philomot`	`I was too busy watching the dating advice.`
`23:22.15`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/profanity <-- way!`
`23:22.15`	`Philomot`	`What is MTA?`
`23:22.17`	`*** part/#debian bizkit (i=bizkit@baze.de)`
`23:22.21`	`beardy`	`Philomot: Just ask, and someone who knows perhaps will answer.`
`23:22.23`	`mhall`	`Philomot: lol hahaha`
`23:22.33`	`mhall`	`Philomot: well you know it does pertain to debian`
`23:22.49`	`Philomot`	`Dating pertains to debian? I thought linux geeks could not get dates.`
`23:22.49`	`eeyore-`	`Philomot: mail transfer agent, your mailer`
`23:22.54`	`mhall`	`Philomot: cause if i don't procreate (along with other fellow geek brethren) there won't be any new future generations of debian lusers`
`23:22.57`	`mhall`	`Philomot: :-D`
`23:22.58`	`thingfish`	`major T&A`
`23:23.05`	`Philomot`	`Ahhh, that explains why it delays the booting of my system.`
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`23:23.13`	`peterS`	`mhall: at some point, you're going to give up the hope that you will actually cause kingsley_ some sort of pain or suffering for getting up to the top of his list. I hope it happens soon, frankly.`
`23:23.13`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: but yeah i was stoked; the other day i had occasion to use guinness as well`
`23:23.20`	`Philomot`	`Okay, that's fine. Now, in base-config, why can't apt-get connect to any of the servers?`
`23:23.20`	`zenwryly`	`I have a broken depencies situation I can't remember how to resolve. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1122`
`23:23.24`	`gq_gunhed`	`peppo: look for e.g. a binary called "swriter"`
`23:23.25`	`Philomot`	`:-(`
`23:23.33`	`SimonRaven`	`thingfish: as long as we realise that we do have limitations, and don't try to abuse other things / creatures trying to exceed them, and pretend we're infinite, we'll do ok. otherwise, we get what we have now. but i really GTG now`
`23:23.35`	`mhall`	`peterS: alright since you asked politely i'll quit talking about it here`
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`23:23.43`	`peppo`	`gq_gunhed, there used to be a simple openoffice.org binary`
`23:23.44`	`eeyore-`	`mhall: i don't even make the list?`
`23:23.50`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: haha`
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`23:23.52`	`*** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo)`
`23:23.54`	`*** part/#debian pryzbyj (n=pryzbyj@cpe-69-202-136-66.twcny.res.rr.com)`
`23:23.55`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: you got shafted`
`23:23.57`	`thingfish`	`SimonRaven: agreed,`
`23:23.59`	`eeyore-`	`mhall: that list is just flawed. there are ways to be nasty without using those words`
`23:24.05`	`peppo`	`gq_gunhed, "OpenOffice Base" in the GNOME menu doesn't even start`
`23:24.12`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: yes that's what makes it so fucking amusing`
`23:24.26`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: i'm public enemy number one yet it's people like mwilson who do the real abuse`
`23:24.30`	`thingfish`	`exactly. he can't measure what he really wants to measure, which is hostility level or whatever.`
`23:24.37`	`eeyore-`	`Philomot: you might as well remove postfix and stick with ... what's that, mailbase thing`
`23:24.45`	`gq_gunhed`	`peppo: look in /usr/lib/openoffice/program/ - I think you're looking for "soffice"`
`23:24.50`	`eeyore-`	`mhall: haha :-)`
`23:24.51`	`thingfish`	`so he has to measure what he assumes to be indicators of hostility.`
`23:25.06`	`eeyore-`	`mhall: i got upset at mwilson once ...`
`23:25.09`	`Philomot`	`Eeyore: sendmail?`
`23:25.14`	`mhall`	`thingfish: and even if you can measure it (gratuitous assumption that this is) you certainly can't do it with just these variables`
`23:25.16`	`beardy`	`Philomot: You're network is down, or you configured it wrong, the module for your nic is not loaded, and so on. Or all servers are down, which is not likely.`
`23:25.19`	`peppo`	`gq_gunhed, sure. thanks`
`23:25.20`	`*** part/#debian peppo (n=slumpmas@h75n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com)`
`23:25.20`	`beardy`	`Your`
`23:25.20`	`thingfish`	`gosh chris fortier is just so good...`
`23:25.25`	`peterS`	`zenwryly: not sure what the best approach is. try 'apt-get -f install' again. if that fails, you can probably get yourself out of your jam with 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/readline-common_5.0*.deb`
`23:25.30`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: i tried to talk logic to him and for a while we got along ok but it never worked in the end`
`23:25.31`	`eeyore-`	`Philomot: no, there's one even simpler :-) it's not postfix/qmail/exim/sendmail`
`23:25.33`	`Philomot`	`Beardy: My network is working fine, the debian box can ping everything else and vice versa.`
`23:25.38`	`gq_gunhed`	`peppo: no problem :-)`
`23:25.38`	`Lewix`	`what's the meaning of i386 ?`
`23:25.43`	`Philomot`	`So the network is down and the nic is properly loaded.`
`23:25.46`	`mhall`	`Lewix: intel 386`
`23:25.53`	`Philomot`	`And I didn't configure apt incorrectly because it won't configure.`
`23:25.54`	`Lewix`	`is it a kind of processor ?`
`23:25.56`	`beardy`	`Philomot: Well, why can't you use apt-get then?`
`23:26.02`	`mhall`	`Lewix: but in practice it means intel 32 bit or 64 bit in compat mode`
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`23:26.03`	`zenwryly`	`peterS: yeah, apt-get -f install isn't working. I'll try the other`
`23:26.06`	`peterS`	`Lewix: short for 80386, the number of the CPU Intel released as a followup to the 80286`
`23:26.12`	`Philomot`	`Because, in base-config, it asks me what server to use and no matter which I choose, it fails.`
`23:26.14`	`Lewix`	`If you have an intel , how do you know if it's i386 ?`
`23:26.15`	`Philomot`	`Usually times out.`
`23:26.20`	`mhall`	`Lewix: so this also represents the 486 and pentium (I II III IV)`
`23:26.29`	`peterS`	`Lewix: if the CPU was made less than 15 years ago, it is a i386`
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`23:26.44`	`peterS`	`Lewix: come to think of it, probably more like 18 years ago`
`23:26.55`	`beardy`	`Lewix: If you have an Intel, it most likely is an i386, as peterS said.`
`23:27.08`	`Lewix`	`ok`
`23:27.12`	`Lewix`	`thank you`
`23:27.14`	`Award`	`Are there any modern 2.6.x source debs?`
`23:27.20`	`peterS`	`Lewix: if it's a (high-end) 64-bit Xeon, you can install it as an 'amd64' instead`
`23:27.21`	`mhall`	`Award: hmm there oughta be`
`23:27.28`	`mhall`	`Award: they are avail in unstable`
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`23:27.33`	`mhall`	`Award: as for other dists, hmm`
`23:27.39`	`mhall`	`Award: let me get ya a link`
`23:27.51`	`eeyore-`	`Award: 2.6.1x are in debian`
`23:27.59`	`peterS`	`Lewix: but if you bought a 64-bit Xeon and didn't realise it was a 64-bit Xeon, you paid way too much (:`
`23:28.05`	`beardy`	`kernel.org, other dists can be googled by the ones interested in them.`
`23:28.14`	`eeyore-`	`opteron is the way to go`
`23:28.15`	`paulswm`	`OK, off to cook din dins, you all have a safe night/day depending on TZ`
`23:28.18`	`eeyore-`	`;-)`
`23:28.24`	`thingfish`	`you too, paulswm.`
`23:28.29`	`eeyore-`	`later, paulswm`
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`23:28.46`	`paulswm`	`eeyore-: I wnat so badly to build a dual core opteron box for home, I can't justify it really but I Want It :)`
`23:28.47`	`peterS`	`I should go grocery shopping, top off my bread and milk supply. bye, paulswm, people, etc.`
`23:28.51`	`thingfish`	`what am I cooking tonight...oh yes, fried rice.`
`23:29.06`	`thingfish`	`later, peterS.`
`23:29.14`	`paulswm`	`I am cooking my own recipe fish cakes tonight!`
`23:29.17`	`eeyore-`	`hey, now that we're talking about 64 bit ... it's not foolproof is it? i mean when you run x86_64 os you still don't get 100% compatibility running 32-bit app in compatibility box right?`
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`23:29.30`	`Award`	`mhall: I searched for "any" for the stabe/unstable/ etc selector and 2.6.8 was the best I got :)`
`23:29.37`	`thingfish`	`I already did my buying. I shall remain here sitting in front of my computer, chatting with you all and drinking bourbon.`
`23:29.40`	`nekostar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:29.40`	`Lewix`	`peterS: I didnt undersatnd`
`23:29.44`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: you get 100% compatibility if you have a full 32-bit userspace implementation. Debian amd64 doesn't ship that, though.`
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`23:30.00`	`Lewix`	`peterS: what you said about 64-bit Xeon`
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`23:30.07`	`mhall`	`Award: this is odd`
`23:30.12`	`Brian_L`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:30.15`	`Award`	`mhall: source, not image, mind you`
`23:30.18`	`mhall`	`Award: i looked for kernel-source packages in unstable and did not get anything`
`23:30.20`	`peterS`	`Lewix: the only Intel chip you are likely to have which is not a i386 is a 64-bit Xeon. if you don't know what those are, you almost certainly do not have one.`
`23:30.24`	`mhall`	`Award: right i looked for source too`
`23:30.26`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: well, we have RHEL x86_64 and sadly enough, our rvds doesn't run (or even install)`
`23:30.31`	`Award`	`mhall: yeah`
`23:31.00`	`beardy`	`mhall: linux-source perhaps? The images is called linux-image at least now, aren't they?`
`23:31.03`	`eliezer_`	`hello`
`23:31.08`	`mhall`	`beardy: hmm`
`23:31.11`	`zenwryly`	`peterS: thanks, that seems to have dxone it`
`23:31.14`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: anything that touches the kernel directly has to be 64-bit. a few things that call the kernel directly (like iptables) have to be as well. for most of userspace, though, you can consider it 100% a userspace problem to make sure 32-bit stuff runs`
`23:31.17`	`eliezer_`	`I from of Chile`
`23:31.19`	`peterS`	`zenwryly: coold`
`23:31.21`	`peterS`	`cool, even`
`23:31.35`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: i see`
`23:31.36`	`mhall`	`Award: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-source-2.6.14`
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`23:31.47`	`mhall`	`beardy: thanks; good call`
`23:31.47`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: so maybe RHEL is missing some libs or something, along that line?`
`23:31.54`	`beardy`	`mhall: :)`
`23:32.02`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: probably`
`23:32.09`	`Award`	`mhall thanks`
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`23:32.21`	`netbrain`	`what is the name of the debian package containing wireless tools?`
`23:32.29`	`nixie`	`netbrain: wireless-tools`
`23:32.30`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: or rpm is not geared for installing 32-bit and 64-bit packages and knowing about the independent library dependencies of each, or something. (dpkg can't do any of that.)`
`23:32.32`	`Award`	`dropping from X returning in a moment`
`23:32.41`	`eliezer_`	`hii`
`23:32.45`	`mhall`	`beardy: i'd give you karma but the bot's pissy at me for using forget`
`23:32.54`	`mhall`	`awa`
`23:33.02`	`mhall`	`ack pressed wrong thing`
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`23:33.53`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: oh no, this was just plain tar.gz / script install. complained about invalid executable or some such. haven't really looked at it, though i expect soon i'll be asked to look into it :-)`
`23:33.55`	`beardy`	`mhall: Is forget necessary? Doesn't the "dpkg: no, foo is bar" work? it has for me..`
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`23:34.18`	`peterS`	`eeyore-: ahh. no clue then. anyway, away buying bread + milk (:`
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`23:34.34`	`eliezer_`	`mmm`
`23:34.36`	`mhall`	`beardy: yeah usually works unless you are trying to remove spew`
`23:34.37`	`eeyore-`	`peterS: later`
`23:34.44`	`mhall`	`beardy: like misspelt factoids and other stupid crap`
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`23:35.00`	`Andy837`	`how can i list user accounts?`
`23:35.03`	`beardy`	`mhall: Ah, yeah, to remove it entirely..`
`23:35.08`	`peterS`	`getent passwd`
`23:35.09`	`eeyore-`	`Andy837: /etc/passwd, ypcat`
`23:35.25`	`peterS`	`getent is better than ypcat (:`
`23:35.30`	`netbrain`	`nixie: lol :)`
`23:35.47`	`mhall`	`getent is 1337 jeans`
`23:36.12`	`beardy`	`ls -la /home is better isn't it, he said user accounts, probably means real users..`
`23:37.22`	`beardy`	`I didn't know about getent though, thanks.`
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`23:37.45`	`Lewix`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/: I'm confused , I don't know which one I should take`
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`23:38.07`	`gq_gunhed`	`Andy837: try: grep ":x:1[0-9][0-9][0-9]:" /etc/passwd - should list all user accounts with id 1000-1999`
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`23:38.16`	`mhall`	`Lewix: debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso.torrent`
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`23:38.36`	`Lewix`	`is there a reason ?`
`23:38.39`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: that command is a thing of beauty`
`23:38.41`	`Lewix`	`I mean what about the others ?`
`23:38.44`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: but could yet be improved`
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`23:38.55`	`mhall`	`Lewix: you don't need em they are source and rarely used packages`
`23:39.02`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: sure - was a quick one ;-)`
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`23:39.06`	`mhall`	`Lewix: just get netinst and it will autodl just the extra stuff you need`
`23:39.15`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: let's hack it up some more...`
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`23:39.37`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: what's your version?`
`23:39.37`	`Lewix`	`thanks`
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`23:40.19`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: getent passwd \| awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9][0-9][0-9]:/ { print $1; }'`
`23:40.31`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: how about that?`
`23:40.42`	`mhall`	`Lewix: yeah np`
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`23:41.06`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: ggg whoaw - this is a cool one. I need much more practice using the awk`
`23:41.39`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: yeah it's a sweet utility`
`23:41.56`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: i learned it in my last job as a cell phone billing developer / posix utility h4x0r`
`23:42.04`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: i'll give you a sweet link :-)`
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`23:42.26`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: but based on your regex skills all you are missing in using awk is just having used it to do some stuff`
`23:42.32`	`beardy`	`mhall: good one`
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`23:42.35`	`beardy`	`!list users`
`23:42.35`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that list users is getent passwd \| awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9][0-9][0-9]:/ { print $1; }'`
`23:42.39`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: fine wanting to learn some more magix`
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`23:42.50`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: you could pick it up if you try to solve your shell problems with it for a week no trouble at all`
`23:43.00`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: and it's pretty efficient too`
`23:43.03`	`mhall`	`beardy: :-D`
`23:43.19`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/`
`23:43.36`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: pick your favorite version, it's a textbook on awk written by the developer of the premier version`
`23:43.55`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: the link - how obvious ggg - thanks`
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`23:44.23`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: while working in my last job i swore by the PDF version`
`23:44.32`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: i solved every imaginable problem with it`
`23:44.40`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: also, awk's printf, learn to use printf`
`23:44.51`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: you can fix up almost anything using printf and sprintf`
`23:44.59`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: plus in awk the strings cannot overflow`
`23:45.08`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: so you can do a lot of very powerful trickery`
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`23:45.52`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: I think it'll be a solution to some of my scripting games here - I'll do some testing the next days`
`23:46.07`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: yeah i hope you get as much joy from it as i did`
`23:47.01`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: but no I've gotta leave - it's late here in Germany - CU`
`23:47.12`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: oh guten abend her gq_gunhed ;-)`
`23:47.18`	`Award`	`mhall: Fixed the problem`
`23:47.23`	`gq_gunhed`	`:-)`
`23:47.24`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: gehst du gerade ins bett?`
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`23:47.38`	`mhall`	`Award: word?!? what was it`
`23:47.43`	`Award`	`mhall: Blissex found it. I had a version mismatch between modutils and mod-tools*`
`23:47.44`	`mhall`	`Award: i really wanna know`
`23:47.50`	`Award`	`mhall: It had nothing to do with that driver at all`
`23:47.52`	`mhall`	`Award: fucking genius`
`23:47.58`	`mhall`	`Award: get the man a beer`
`23:48.08`	`mhall`	`Award: i wouldn't have figured it out in a million years`
`23:48.11`	`Award`	`mhall: Though the odd thing is ALL the other modules (nvidia 53xx, alsa, etc all worked fine with the mismatch)`
`23:48.18`	`mhall`	`Award: not that i'm anything special`
`23:48.19`	`gq_gunhed`	`mhall: genau das werde ich tun (soory for the german intermission)`
`23:48.23`	`gq_gunhed`	`bye`
`23:48.28`	`mhall`	`gq_gunhed: cool`
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`23:48.43`	`bop1`	`hmm anyone installed the fragroute package?`
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`23:48.50`	`bop1`	`it gives lots of errors`
`23:48.51`	`mhall`	`oh i played with it before`
`23:48.56`	`bop1`	`cant delete loopback device etc`
`23:48.58`	`mhall`	`is it broken right now`
`23:48.59`	`mhall`	`hmm`
`23:49.03`	`Award`	`mhall: I wouldn't have either`
`23:49.15`	`Award`	`mhall: He noticed that that "already loaded" error I was getting, shouldn't exist at all :)`
`23:49.22`	`Award`	`mhall: it should just cleanly exit if it's already there`
`23:49.32`	`mhall`	`Award: ah yeah that's true`
`23:49.43`	`mhall`	`Award: that certainly was a dumb place to get the error`
`23:49.46`	`Award`	`mhall: The problem stems back to my e2fsprogs loop error (being older than stable and trying to pull unstable packages)`
`23:49.54`	`mhall`	`Award: and i shoulda noticed i never get it even though i load nv @ boot`
`23:49.55`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: do you sleep at all?`
`23:50.04`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: wtf is that supposed to mean`
`23:50.04`	`Award`	`mhall: The versions were caught between stable and unstable of the modutils/tools`
`23:50.22`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: i come here on friday for a pre-happy-hour celebration and here's SerajewelKS givin me crap and slammin me`
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`23:50.26`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: ;-)`
`23:50.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: wasn't i talking to you like 14 hours ago?`
`23:51.15`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: hmm 14 - 8 looks like a positive number hehe`
`23:51.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: all that no soap radio stuff =)`
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`23:51.15`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: yeah omgwtfbbq it's the BEST. JOKE. EVAR.`
`23:51.15`	`Mrdini`	`yo all`
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`23:51.27`	`mhall`	`bop1: alright #1 you gotta be root of course`
`23:51.28`	`brosioz`	`after the UPDATE and PREPARE with modules-assitant the comand SELECT don't do anythig, anyone could help ?`
`23:51.59`	`Mrdini`	`doing a "dselect update" & it's telling me that it wants to "REMOVE" netbase - is that okay? (I'm rather unsure as that's basic TCP/IP stuff`
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`23:52.25`	`mhall`	`bop1: please run through tests listed in fragtest command's output`
`23:52.40`	`Mrdini`	`and this _is_ a server so....`
`23:53.33`	`eeyore-`	`Mrdini: dselect should tell you why it wants to remove netbase`
`23:53.59`	`Mrdini`	`eeyore, how do I check? it SEEMS to be part of its normal upgrade process`
`23:54.31`	`abrotman`	`upgrade a server?`
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`23:54.33`	`flora`	`is there a postgresql 8 package for debian?`
`23:54.38`	`flora`	`i don't see it after apt-cache search`
`23:54.42`	`Mrdini`	`i.e. I'm not installing or removing anything myself`
`23:55.04`	`eeyore-`	`Mrdini: pick netbase again, you'll be transitioned into another screen, with explanation of why dselect wants to tell you you can't do it`
`23:55.04`	`abrotman`	`flora: in which version of debian ?`
`23:55.12`	`Mrdini`	`eeyore, hmm, ok`
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`23:55.14`	`eeyore-`	`Mrdini: you'll see :-)`
`23:55.19`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: i've found i like racial/blonde/etc jokes a lot more.. and i don't have anything against blondes or other races, but sometimes they're just hilarious`
`23:55.37`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: fair enough`
`23:55.43`	`Mrdini`	`eeyore, weird, it says "Install"`
`23:55.50`	`Mrdini`	`"Installed"`
`23:55.51`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: i'm libertarian so i don't fault people for arbitrary joke preferences`
`23:56.06`	`flora`	`abrotman: sarge`
`23:56.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall (and everyone else): so if i tell one of those jokes, don't get offended.. just tell me a pasty-white-american-geek joke`
`23:56.08`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: also BEST. JOKE. EVAR. was meant with a hint of derision at my own taste ;-)`
`23:56.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: hehe`
`23:56.21`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: don't worry i don't get offended too easily`
`23:56.32`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: the kind of bizarre shit i say daily i have to be able to take what i dish`
`23:56.35`	`eeyore-`	`SerajewelKS: know any Hummer joke?`
`23:56.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`eeyore-: hummer? the brand of SUV?`
`23:56.47`	`abrotman`	`flora: not officially .. backports.org (backports.org/pending) has it though`
`23:56.53`	`eeyore-`	`SerajewelKS: yeah`
`23:56.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: we need a #debian-jokes channel`
`23:56.58`	`Mrdini`	`eeyore, this is Woody if that makes any difference`
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`23:57.03`	`SerajewelKS`	`eeyore-: no i don't, sorry`
`23:57.04`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: we have one`
`23:57.10`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: #debian-offtopic`
`23:57.21`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: join the fucked up menagerie of entertainment`
`23:57.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: yeah but you're not there`
`23:57.35`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: am now`
`23:57.42`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: i usu. do go there but forgot`
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`23:58.14`	`eeyore-`	`i should get this decal, http://www.allthingsjeep.com/atj30152.html`
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`23:58.54`	`mhall`	`eeyore-: the only kind of hummer i want is from one of my lady friends ;-)`
`23:59.03`	`thc`	`that's a nice, tiny hostname.`
`23:59.22`	`TheCount`	`why, thank you.`
`23:59.28`	`Mrdini`	`eeyore, thoughts...? :/`
`23:59.41`	`eeyore-`	`Mrdini: already told you what i would do :-)`

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