| 00:00.04 | Mrdini | eeyore, like I said, dselect said it's "Install/Installed" |
| 00:00.05 | eeyore- | Mrdini: i don't have the means to reproduce your circumstance, so you'll have to do it |
| 00:00.39 | eeyore- | Mrdini: what you need to do is find out why dselect wants to remove a certain package. there's always a reason. |
| 00:00.39 | bop1 | mhall hmm? |
| 00:00.44 | bop1 | mhall what do you mean |
| 00:00.47 | eeyore- | Mrdini: you probably didn't pay attention to that screen |
| 00:00.47 | mhall | bop1: please run fragtest command |
| 00:00.48 | bop1 | mhall it works for you? |
| 00:00.52 | mhall | bop1: and try the tests in the command |
| 00:00.54 | eeyore- | Mrdini: but it's there, available for you |
| 00:00.56 | bop1 | bob2 it works. |
| 00:00.58 | mhall | bop1: should help you find problems |
| 00:01.01 | bop1 | mhall it works |
| 00:01.16 | bop1 | mhall but fragroute doesnt |
| 00:01.26 | Mrdini | eeyore, I swear it says install |
| 00:01.29 | Mrdini | "netbase installed ; install (was: install). Important" |
| 00:01.44 | mhall | bop1: hmm weird |
| 00:01.46 | eeyore- | Mrdini: didn't you just say dselect *wants to uninstall* netbase? |
| 00:01.54 | eeyore- | Mrdini: can't have it both way :-) |
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| 00:02.02 | bop1 | mhall fragroute doesnt give you errors? |
| 00:02.04 | Mrdini | eeyore, well, that's what it's telling me |
| 00:02.21 | Mrdini | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:02.21 | Mrdini | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.21 | Mrdini | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.35 | mhall | bop1: i get : fragroute: no route to 127.0.0.1: No such process |
| 00:03.17 | eeyore- | Mrdini: ask someone here if he/she is willing to show you how to use dselect to find out the reasons for uninstalling packages |
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| 00:04.17 | caphuso | eeyore-: too late |
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| 00:05.06 | ohad | is there a way to find out the name of host by their ip address? |
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| 00:05.19 | eeyore- | caphuso: hmm? |
| 00:05.22 | mike_sol | ohad, nslookup IP |
| 00:05.54 | caphuso | eeyore-: Mrdini is beyond the point where dselect explains what it is going to do, and why |
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| 00:06.11 | eeyore- | caphuso: that's why i asked him to go back and re-select netbase :-) |
| 00:06.20 | Mrdini | caphuso, very reassuring :P |
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| 00:06.35 | Mrdini | eeyore *headdesks* like I say, dselect insists it's selected |
| 00:06.37 | nothing00 | hi everyone, does the netinst stable cd install sarge? |
| 00:06.44 | nothing00 | as the base system anyway |
| 00:06.57 | eeyore- | Mrdini: so what? hit "i" again. is that too hard? |
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| 00:07.28 | ohad | mike_sol, nslookup: symbol lookup error: nslookup: undefined symbol: isc_net_pton |
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| 00:07.36 | bop1 | mhall same here, if u try 127.0.0.1 that is, otherwise you get other errors too |
| 00:07.42 | mike_sol | whoa that's pretty f'd up ohad |
| 00:08.00 | mike_sol | i've never seen nslookup come up with something like that |
| 00:08.06 | caphuso | Mrdini: + not i |
| 00:08.07 | mhall | bop1: hmm ok |
| 00:08.08 | mike_sol | try dig instead |
| 00:08.15 | eeyore- | caphuso: thank you :-) been a long time |
| 00:08.23 | ohad | mike_sol, really? oh well... |
| 00:08.23 | ohad | mike_sol, y? |
| 00:08.30 | caphuso | i is "toggle info screen content" |
| 00:08.36 | mhall | bop1: better strace it and look at the errors |
| 00:08.37 | Mrdini | caphuso, + does nothing as it's already selected for install |
| 00:08.39 | mike_sol | "why" |
| 00:08.41 | mike_sol | why what |
| 00:08.45 | eeyore- | Mrdini: _ then + |
| 00:08.51 | caphuso | Mrdini: then hit enter |
| 00:08.53 | mhall | bop1: there are probably some kernel network routing options missing from your and my kernels |
| 00:08.55 | eeyore- | Mrdini: _ might remove even more packages, though :-) |
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| 00:09.01 | mhall | bop1: of course also google and post to proper mailing list |
| 00:09.13 | ultraviolet16 | hey does anyone know if the netinst cd image installs sarge or woody? |
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| 00:09.40 | mike_sol | ultraviolet16, that would depend on whether you got a sarge or woody netinst cd |
| 00:09.51 | ultraviolet16 | well the stable available |
| 00:09.55 | lunitik | mike_sol: haha... I didn't wanna state the obvious :P |
| 00:09.59 | mike_sol | thatd be sarge |
| 00:10.00 | bop1 | mhall i already did |
| 00:10.04 | bop1 | strace |
| 00:10.07 | bop1 | i found the problem heh |
| 00:10.12 | mike_sol | lunitik, it's about all i know how to do :D |
| 00:10.13 | ultraviolet16 | k thanks. |
| 00:10.15 | bop1 | it works only with 2.2 kernels :) |
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| 00:10.28 | bop1 | so why they included it in debian, couldnt they see it doesnt work? |
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| 00:10.30 | mhall | bop1: oof why do they even keep it around |
| 00:10.36 | mhall | bop1: that's pretty dumb lol |
| 00:10.45 | mhall | bop1: maybe there is better version or patch or kernel patch or something |
| 00:10.49 | bop1 | its a bummer cuase its a really great tool. |
| 00:10.53 | mhall | bop1: have you tried looking in bugs.debian.org |
| 00:11.03 | mhall | bop1: yeah i used to do all kinds of fun shit with it |
| 00:11.07 | Mrdini | hmmm..... ta eeyore & caphuso, think i can take it from here *examines the various dependencies* |
| 00:11.17 | mhall | bop1: perhaps download old knoppix someplace and customize to include fragroute |
| 00:11.23 | mhall | bop1: or maybe dl copy of knoppix std |
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| 00:12.33 | mhall | eeyore-: there is another funny thing you can get |
| 00:12.45 | mhall | eeyore-: for your square tow hitch receiver when the ball is detached |
| 00:12.55 | mhall | eeyore-: an emblem that says "remove to tow ford" |
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| 00:14.15 | bop1 | mhall debian doesnt have ? |
| 00:14.22 | bop1 | kernel 2.2 images ? |
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| 00:14.57 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't get it? :-) |
| 00:15.01 | beardy | bop1: Perhaps not in sarge. Woody:s default one was. |
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| 00:15.25 | abrotman | there was no default in woody .. it was what you picked |
| 00:15.34 | bop1 | damn |
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| 00:16.07 | mhall | bop1: it's obsolete |
| 00:16.11 | mike_sol | i wasn't a big 2.2 fan... i ran 2.3's for ages just to get a smidgen of extra functionality |
| 00:16.20 | mhall | eeyore-: well there is an old joke like your hummer sticker |
| 00:16.21 | beardy | abrotman: Depended on which cd you used to install. And, then there isn't a default one in sarge neither. |
| 00:16.22 | mike_sol | especially iptables |
| 00:16.30 | mhall | eeyore-: in america everybody talks about ford vs. chevy |
| 00:16.38 | abrotman | beardy: i know |
| 00:16.48 | mhall | eeyore-: so if you have a ford or a chevy you can make fun of each other |
| 00:16.56 | mhall | eeyore-: and like mike_sol says there is also chrysler |
| 00:17.02 | mhall | eeyore-: into which category the jeep falls |
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| 00:17.15 | sargenewbie | i am missing a homepage option on firefox is this common |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | missing a what ? |
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| 00:17.42 | gaasfet | K3b no longer in etch?? |
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| 00:17.59 | sargenewbie | i cannnot find where to set my homepage |
| 00:18.11 | sargenewbie | in firefox...in windooze i can though |
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| 00:18.53 | netbrain | is there anything i should know about when im runnin make-kpgk kernel_image? |
| 00:18.57 | gaasfet | sargenewbie: why dont you try firefox for windows |
| 00:19.04 | netbrain | will initrd be created? |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | gaasfet: wtf are you talking about |
| 00:19.29 | abrotman | sargenewbie: Edit -> Preferences -> General ... Homepage |
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| 00:19.41 | gaasfet | abrotman: ? |
| 00:19.58 | sargenewbie | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 00:19.58 | mike_sol | gaasfet, this is a "linux" channel |
| 00:20.00 | beardy | netbrain: No, and you still have to configure your kernel. make-kpkg only makes it more pleasant to build and install |
| 00:20.13 | bucky | netbrain: not unless you tell it to |
| 00:20.21 | netbrain | how can i tell it to? |
| 00:20.27 | beardy | netbrain: (perhaps it has it as an option, read the manual) |
| 00:20.34 | netbrain | -make-initrd? |
| 00:20.46 | gaasfet | mike_sol: firefox setup is almost the same for windoze |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | what a tard |
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| 00:21.04 | netbrain | :) |
| 00:21.15 | thc | tards make the world go 'round, abrotman. |
| 00:21.21 | gumby | I screwed up my debian system somehow! I did normal etch install on dual boot. After succesfully installed "desktop" config,I used "tasksel" to setup "webserver". I reboot the machine and gnome is unhappy. So... I use tasksel to uninstall 'desktop' and reinstall 'desktop'. Now when I boot into X, I switch video several times then get an error message saying "I cannot start the x server (your graphical interface)..." but I do not have A |
| 00:21.24 | abrotman | thc: someone has to push |
| 00:21.28 | mike_sol | gaasfet, if he can find it on windows, he can find it on linux. |
| 00:21.29 | thc | hah |
| 00:21.38 | thc | more like someone has to pump my gas. |
| 00:21.50 | beardy | gumby: Why aren't you running sarge? |
| 00:21.51 | abrotman | gumby: check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log log |
| 00:21.51 | thc | and serve my mcdonald's cheeseburgers. |
| 00:21.59 | bucky | netbrain: fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd --revision=rev.01 kernel_image |
| 00:21.59 | mike_sol | thc, i pump my own because i don't even trust em to do that |
| 00:22.10 | bucky | netbrain: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 00:22.15 | gumby | Here's the problem: I have no keyboard control once X gives me the error message... I can't even ctrl+alt F-1 to get a shell.... |
| 00:22.22 | thc | meh. i am lazy. i sit in the car. |
| 00:22.39 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 00:22.40 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:22.51 | netbrain | bucky: u are confusing me now. i read the manual and as i understood all i had to do was make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 00:23.11 | bucky | netbrain: ok |
| 00:23.22 | thc | netbrain: you have a net for a brain? |
| 00:23.40 | thc | what kind of net, is it like, a fishing net? or a volleyball net |
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| 00:23.55 | netbrain | thc: ur not the first one asking that :) |
| 00:23.55 | gumby | abrotman "!nodm" = ??? Did you see my second message?? |
| 00:24.07 | thc | god dammit 35 more minutes of this |
| 00:24.09 | mike_sol | thc: a neural net, of course |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | gumby: single user mode doesn't work ? |
| 00:24.18 | mike_sol | thc, done the day at 5 pm pst? |
| 00:24.31 | gumby | abrotman: sorry, but "user mode"? |
| 00:24.34 | thc | yes that's when it's usually kosher to split. |
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| 00:24.43 | gumby | abrotman: er.. how do I boot to single-user modE? |
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| 00:24.54 | abrotman | gumby: grub or lilo ? |
| 00:25.00 | mike_sol | thc, same boat here. and it's the same every day, at 4pm my productivity drops to 0 and i sit around for an hour on irc and web |
| 00:25.56 | Mrdini | how does things work when you're using a 3rd party debian source i.e. dotdeb? (i.e. if you're using that, & you upgrade from woody to sarge.... aren't there conflicts?) |
| 00:25.57 | sargenewbie | what would be the kin to notepad in debian |
| 00:26.06 | mike_sol | sargenewbie, try gedit in gnome |
| 00:26.13 | mike_sol | or vi if you're a real man |
| 00:26.15 | sargenewbie | i am running kde |
| 00:26.16 | gumby | abrotman: just to make sure i'm not losing my mind, I do that via appending "single" to my grub boot line? |
| 00:26.20 | mike_sol | sargenewbie, kate |
| 00:26.25 | sargenewbie | thanks |
| 00:26.27 | mike_sol | np |
| 00:26.32 | slibs | mike_sol: yeah and then the "just one hour" is suddenly 5 |
| 00:26.32 | abrotman | gumby: i think so |
| 00:26.34 | gumby | abrotman: (in "kernel") |
| 00:26.49 | mike_sol | slibs, as long as i get paid, ill look busy for hours |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | gumby: oddly .. i've never had to use single user mode since i switched to grub |
| 00:27.00 | sargenewbie | i am learning linux tonight do you mind if i pop in and ask questions frequently |
| 00:27.04 | beardy | sargenewbie: there are lot's of editors, I doubt you'll find something as damaged as notepad, but go for the default ones of the desktops. |
| 00:27.06 | slibs | well who doesnt? :D |
| 00:27.15 | mike_sol | sargenewbie, yeah, just make sure you google first |
| 00:27.20 | sargenewbie | k |
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| 00:27.27 | mike_sol | we can help you find out what to google for |
| 00:27.37 | beardy | sargenewbie: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 00:27.46 | mike_sol | that the main help i get out of irc... you rarely get the perfect answer to complicated things, but you get breadcrumbs |
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| 00:27.50 | beardy | sargenewbie: Which irc client are you using? |
| 00:27.59 | bucky | sargenewbie: pull up a term and use vi ...get a vi howto on google |
| 00:28.00 | sargenewbie | chatzilla |
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| 00:28.19 | gumby | Abrotman: sweet, got it! |
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| 00:28.46 | Lewix | is someone can dcc me the files to install debian..it's too slow with bt :p |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | gumby: dude! |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | !d-i Lewix |
| 00:29.07 | dpkg | Lewix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:29.09 | mike_sol | Lewix, have you tried just getting it off a mirror? |
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| 00:30.07 | beardy | sargenewbie: Using a program called screen, and the irc client irssi (in the package irssi-text) you can detach your irc session if you need to shutdown X for example, or logout. If you want to try, install screen and irssi-text, run screen (in a terminal or xterm), start irssi, join here, then Ctrl-Alt-d to detach, and then type screen again, to get it up. That way you don't have to quit and join all the time. But up to you of course. |
| 00:30.21 | Lewix | mike_sol: they say that it's slow |
| 00:30.30 | mike_sol | beardy, shit, it's time for me to learn screen isnt it |
| 00:30.40 | beardy | mike_sol: Yes. |
| 00:30.53 | Lewix | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
| 00:30.57 | mike_sol | what other commands do i need... are there multiple sessions in one screen? |
| 00:31.06 | caphuso | mike_sol: C-a ? |
| 00:31.13 | Lewix | ok so nobody wants to dcc :/ lol |
| 00:31.20 | beardy | mike_sol: The manual :) and Ctrl-a ? |
| 00:31.28 | bucky | beardy: he said he was using kde |
| 00:31.34 | mike_sol | manual shmanual ill figure it out by mashing keys like i always do |
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| 00:31.47 | beardy | bucky: who? and what has that got to do with screen? |
| 00:31.52 | bucky | sargenewbie: |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | Lewix: just grab the ISO |
| 00:32.34 | beardy | bucky: hmm? |
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| 00:32.58 | abrotman | Lewix: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 00:33.05 | mike_sol | my god, time is going slowly right now. damn that einstein, i want my time to go at a constant rate |
| 00:33.16 | gumby | Beardy: When I first installed debian like a little more than a year ago, I was told that debian stable didn't have any new packages... My linux friends all said to go debian testing. When I reinstalled the other day, I still went for debian testing. Would it be a better idea to go for sarge??? |
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| 00:33.34 | eeyore- | gumby: sid |
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| 00:33.56 | gumby | Oh, I'm on etch now... isn't sid unstable?? |
| 00:33.56 | eeyore- | gumby: all new packages, all the time |
| 00:33.59 | beardy | eeyore-: You help him then. |
| 00:34.04 | eeyore- | gumby: yeah :-) |
| 00:34.05 | sargenewbie | beardy: i got those programs thru apt-get(the only thing i know about linux)...what do they do for me |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | gumby: too late .. you can't go back |
| 00:34.27 | eeyore- | gumby: it's not that bad. things break once in a while... |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | without a reinstall anyways |
| 00:34.51 | raden1 | SerajewelKS, whats up ? |
| 00:35.09 | gumby | So once you install debian on a dual-boot system, is there anything you can do to maintain the inferior OS partition & reinstall linux??? |
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| 00:35.29 | black | hello everybody |
| 00:35.29 | amorphix | how to open a port in iptables? |
| 00:35.41 | mike_sol | gumby, yeah, just don't touch the other os's partitions when installing |
| 00:35.42 | black | I am having a problem installing java plugin |
| 00:35.45 | beardy | sargenewbie: screen and irssi? |
| 00:35.48 | mike_sol | best to do your partitioning manually |
| 00:35.48 | beardy | bucky: explain |
| 00:35.58 | mike_sol | !tell black about java |
| 00:35.58 | Lewix | abrotman: thank you |
| 00:36.08 | bucky | that's what i was wondering |
| 00:36.12 | black | I run the .bin and it says: rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian. |
| 00:36.13 | black | error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No existe el fichero o el directorio (2) |
| 00:36.13 | black | error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm |
| 00:36.14 | sargenewbie | beardy: i am just confused what you were helping me accomplish |
| 00:36.19 | mike_sol | !tell black about install java |
| 00:36.20 | sargenewbie | i got them both working |
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| 00:36.33 | amorphix | beardy how long actually is your beard at this point in time? |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | amorphix: #iptables ... for what .. the third time today :) |
| 00:36.36 | bucky | why does sargenewbie need screen when he's a newbie running KDE ? |
| 00:36.38 | gumby | mike_sol and grub will understand what's going on?? |
| 00:36.48 | bucky | beardy: does sargenewbie need screen when he's a newbie running KDE ? |
| 00:36.58 | mike_sol | gumby, i use lilo, because grub frightens me |
| 00:37.14 | mike_sol | but the debian installer should overwrite the grub with a new one |
| 00:37.18 | amorphix | abrotman: I've been there since the 1st time you said that and I have typed out my question there and related info from iptables several times and I'm still no further along |
| 00:37.19 | mike_sol | so i wouldnt worry too much |
| 00:37.19 | beardy | sargenewbie: Just an advice, you said you were going to come here frequently, with screen and irssi you wouldn't have to join and quit all the time, but perhaps it wasn't a good idea.. |
| 00:37.29 | sargenewbie | okay |
| 00:37.31 | bucky | beardy: he |
| 00:37.40 | sargenewbie | i am going to toy around for a bit |
| 00:37.43 | beardy | bucky: he have to start learning sometime though. |
| 00:37.44 | bucky | he's probably using sirc in kde |
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| 00:37.54 | mike_sol | amorphix, when you say open a port, do you mean to forward or just for the local machine |
| 00:37.58 | sargenewbie | i am glad to have people like you helping me |
| 00:38.06 | sargenewbie | i am using chatzilla |
| 00:38.17 | gumby | mike_sol: lol, nice:) |
| 00:38.17 | thc | chatzilla? wtf! |
| 00:38.22 | amorphix | mike_sol: to forward to my client machine |
| 00:38.23 | thc | what the hell is that? |
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| 00:38.44 | ireverentreveren | the mozilla irc client |
| 00:38.45 | bucky | it's a talkative monster in a japanese fils |
| 00:38.48 | beardy | thc: the ircclient in mozilla probably? |
| 00:38.50 | mike_sol | amorphix, http://www.hackorama.com/network/portfwd.shtml |
| 00:38.56 | sargenewbie | i like chatzilla should i not use it |
| 00:38.57 | mike_sol | that's a start |
| 00:39.03 | amorphix | mike: thanks |
| 00:39.05 | thc | hah. yet another reason for me to never use mozilla |
| 00:39.08 | beardy | sargenewbie: Yes, if you like it, use it. |
| 00:39.10 | mike_sol | sargenewbie, use whatever you're comfortable with |
| 00:39.14 | Guerin | sargenewbie: if you like it, you have bigger problems |
| 00:39.16 | amorphix | that moz sure does get around |
| 00:39.27 | Guerin | but whatever tickles your fanny |
| 00:39.29 | mike_sol | there's ten billion linux programs, use what works |
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| 00:39.45 | sargenewbie | i can use any of them i have 4 but wondering why people do not like mozillas irc |
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| 00:39.57 | Guerin | mike_sol: there's only one linux progra. There's lots of unix stuff. |
| 00:40.00 | amorphix | ive yet to encounter a linux program that runs smoothly and well |
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| 00:40.09 | beardy | sargenewbie: That's irrelevant, if you like it best, use it. |
| 00:40.25 | sargenewbie | k |
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| 00:40.53 | slashzul | anyone know how to switch bandwidth from 10 to 100 mb if it didnt automatically switch! |
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| 00:40.57 | Guerin | sargenewbie: it's ugly, it's based on html and css, it's not very customisable, and worst of all it encourages people to think of their web browser as their OS. |
| 00:41.00 | mike_sol | Guerin, oh fine there's lots of [a-zA-Z]*[iu]n[iu]x stuff |
| 00:41.02 | beardy | sargenewbie: At least you know that there are others, if you want to try different ones. There are always a lot of ways to one thing. |
| 00:41.03 | slashzul | is it an ifconfig thingy or what? |
| 00:41.11 | beardy | to do |
| 00:41.12 | Guerin | mike_sol: haha |
| 00:41.19 | PaulGenez1975 | test |
| 00:41.32 | dondelelcaro | fail |
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| 00:42.28 | gumby | I want a little sound icon near my clock like Windows has to adjust volume. What's a good package to get (for Gnome) that'll load automatically and isn't a CPU hog? (I think knoppix has one but I forget what it's called) |
| 00:42.52 | Guerin | gumby: gnome-alsamixer |
| 00:43.04 | gumby | ahh! I have regular alsamixer... thx! :) |
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| 00:44.33 | gumby | Guerin: Now how 'bout having the icon stay on near the clock? (Sorry I'm newbish) |
| 00:44.33 | PaulGenez1975 | erm |
| 00:44.41 | exodus | using irssi now :) |
| 00:45.11 | thc | movement of jah people. |
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| 00:45.12 | beardy | sargenewbie: nice :) |
| 00:45.25 | sargenewbie | ty |
| 00:45.54 | beardy | !ops PaulGenez1975 should know better |
| 00:45.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: PaulGenez1975 should know better |
| 00:46.05 | sargenewbie | beardy: your name in this irssi is yellow and hard to read |
| 00:46.32 | amorphix | i give up |
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| 00:46.53 | caphuso | PaulGenez1975: don't do that |
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| 00:47.23 | Guerin | gumby: i know nothing about making gnome do what you want... i think that goes against the fundamental design principles of gnome, too. |
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| 00:48.07 | caphuso | right, gnome is all about making the user do what it wants ;-) |
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| 00:48.40 | Aerk | I have Debian 3.1 on my Thinkpad R30 but I am having power management problems. |
| 00:48.43 | abrotman | gumby: right click on the panel .. add the sound applet |
| 00:48.46 | Guerin | "users have preferences???" |
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| 00:49.20 | caphuso | Guerin: "users with preferences can be expected to search through tons of undocumented gconf settings" |
| 00:49.26 | Aerk | APM seems to put the machine to sleep, but in actuality the fan is still running and battery is being used. |
| 00:49.36 | abrotman | Aerk: acpi |
| 00:49.37 | Aerk | ACPI crashes the machine hard. |
| 00:49.52 | Guerin | caphuso: well, if they're changing anything, they must be power users |
| 00:50.01 | Guerin | caphuso: and they deserve what they get |
| 00:50.14 | Aerk | I installed the 2.6 kernel for ACPI support. |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:50.15 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 00:50.40 | Guerin | Aerk: there's an ibmutils thing which probably has tools you can use to turn the fan annd so on off |
| 00:50.49 | Guerin | Aerk: thinkpadutils, maybe |
| 00:51.15 | dusk | is there a way to get open office to fit into my gnome theme? |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | #debian-oo |
| 00:51.38 | mike_sol | alright people i am out of here for the weekend, take it easy. |
| 00:51.51 | mhall | Aerk: there is a custome ibm acpi driver |
| 00:51.55 | dusk | 7 people there abrot! |
| 00:52.05 | mhall | yeah but some are ooo devs |
| 00:52.10 | mhall | dusk: ask and wait |
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| 00:56.26 | thc | !pirate |
| 00:56.27 | dpkg | well, pirate is a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
| 00:56.43 | pirate | Yarr. |
| 00:56.47 | thc | arrr. |
| 00:56.49 | Aerk | mhall: Doesn't Linux kernel 2.6.10 or higher have the custom IBM ACPI driver? |
| 00:57.06 | mhall | Aerk: you might have to recompile to get it |
| 00:57.14 | mhall | Aerk: but i think it's at least available there |
| 00:57.21 | mhall | Aerk: also it might not be latest version |
| 00:57.32 | mhall | Aerk: at least for acpica driver there is a dev fork and a rel fork |
| 00:57.48 | Brian_L | I dont like the ibm acpi driver. SuSE wrecked my thinkpad. |
| 00:58.03 | Brian_L | maybe it was a combination of ACPI and tpctl |
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| 00:59.07 | Aerk | Brian_L: Wrecked your thinkpad? As in the machine is now a door stop? |
| 00:59.12 | darth_cb | hi all, what is the command to stop and start cups? |
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| 00:59.51 | Brian_L | no , i let my girlriend borrow it for school. she installed SuSE. It is stuck at 450mhz |
| 00:59.52 | Aerk | I would rather not wreck my Thinkpad. |
| 01:00.02 | Brian_L | im not sure what caused it |
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| 01:00.13 | Guerin | Brian_L: reset the cmos |
| 01:00.14 | Aerk | Ah. |
| 01:00.23 | Brian_L | tried that |
| 01:00.32 | Brian_L | tried powersettings under windows |
| 01:00.35 | Guerin | Brian_L: and flashign the bios? |
| 01:00.53 | Brian_L | need to buy a battery first |
| 01:01.19 | Brian_L | I guess in venting my frustrations at vendors who use bleding edge crap |
| 01:01.41 | Brian_L | and autoconfig everything at boot |
| 01:02.04 | repp_ | Yeah, I'm using apm on my T42, acpi is buggy |
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| 01:03.11 | repp_ | Brian_L: re-install using official IBM recovery process? |
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| 01:03.32 | black | I have installed java plugin but it isn't work |
| 01:03.42 | black | I follow this steps |
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| 01:03.51 | black | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2004/09/msg00469.html |
| 01:03.52 | bucky | black restart your browser |
| 01:03.53 | Brian_L | have not tried that, it's about 1200 miles away. :) |
| 01:04.05 | black | I have restarted |
| 01:04.07 | black | but nothing... |
| 01:04.15 | repp_ | Brian_L: usually your T-pad comes with a recovery partition that you can boot into |
| 01:04.30 | Brian_L | She should of choose debian or slack :) |
| 01:04.34 | repp_ | Brian_L: if you toasted that, then you can order recovery disks from IBM over the phone |
| 01:04.35 | Guerin | repp_: that's don't help if the hardware's gone west |
| 01:04.47 | bucky | black: ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
| 01:04.49 | repp_ | Guerin: he said the CPU is locked slow, not dead |
| 01:04.51 | repp_ | I think |
| 01:04.52 | black | I have create the link, everythings seems to be ok... |
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| 01:05.03 | Guerin | repp_: yes. |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | repp_: won't be locked in software, though. |
| 01:06.02 | repp_ | Guerin: Booting windows should have fixed an acpi problem. So I'm thinking that somehow the windows install is also unstable, thereby not loading proper drivers. It may also be the case that running the recovery resets obscure things. |
| 01:06.15 | Aerk | repp_: How does APM work for you? On my Thinkpad R30 APM will appear to put the laptop to sleep, but the fan is still running. |
| 01:06.30 | repp_ | Aerk: My apm halts all fans. |
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| 01:06.41 | repp_ | on S3, suspend |
| 01:06.42 | Guerin | repp_: i'm thinking bios or cmos - he says he's cleared the cmos, but not re-flashed the bios |
| 01:06.45 | Brian_L | my A22m was a refurbished model, with no recovery partition. |
| 01:06.48 | Aerk | repp_: S3? |
| 01:06.58 | ViaD | Why aint there any opensource DRM? |
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| 01:07.03 | black | bucky: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 58 2005-11-18 19:06 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_05/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 01:07.03 | repp_ | Aerk: power mode; S3 == suspend, S4 == hibernate |
| 01:07.08 | repp_ | ViaD: haha |
| 01:07.28 | saloxin | repp_: any success with hibernate? |
| 01:07.40 | ViaD | I mean it :) |
| 01:07.44 | Brian_L | Im sure its fixable, but the point is commercial vendors shouldant force all of the autodetect and probe crap down your machines throught |
| 01:07.47 | repp_ | saloxin: no, I never even tried... suspend works well enough for me. |
| 01:07.55 | Brian_L | throat* |
| 01:07.58 | Guerin | ViaD: I can make you some. |
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| 01:08.15 | Guerin | ViaD: unfortunately, since you have the source it'll be trivial to circumvent |
| 01:08.20 | saloxin | repp_: only annoyance is when suspend runs out of battery, it crashes instead of hibernating |
| 01:08.20 | Guerin | but I suppose that's the point |
| 01:08.22 | black | I don't know where can be the error |
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| 01:08.33 | repp_ | saloxin: yeah, as it should be. |
| 01:08.38 | Guerin | !rot13 ViaD: unfortunately, since you have the source it'll be trivial to circumvent |
| 01:08.38 | dpkg | IvnQ: hasbeghangryl, fvapr lbh unir gur fbhepr vg'yy or gevivny gb pvephzirag |
| 01:08.42 | bucky | black: which version of debian are you using? |
| 01:08.45 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.12 | repp_ | saloxin: here's the prblem. You are suspended, and the battery is nearly out. So you want to go to hibernate - but that means turning on the machine. |
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| 01:09.20 | black | sarge |
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| 01:09.25 | black | kernell 2.4 |
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| 01:09.35 | Aerk | I'll try recompiling the kernel to get ACPI working with my Thinkpad R30, as APM seems to be a joke. |
| 01:09.36 | repp_ | saloxin: the laptop could be in the back of a truck, or on an airplane, you never know - so power on the disk may result in physical damange. |
| 01:09.45 | repp_ | saloxin: therefore, crashing is better |
| 01:09.49 | saloxin | ah, good point |
| 01:09.57 | repp_ | saloxin: I think there is a BIOS option for this |
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| 01:10.20 | bucky | black: firefox or mozilla ? |
| 01:10.38 | snowowl | can some one tell me what debian's mascott |
| 01:10.40 | black | firefox |
| 01:10.43 | repp_ | snowowl: a spiral |
| 01:10.59 | ViaD | Yea. Thanx <Guerin>. But natonal broadcasts desperatly need a platform-independent DRM |
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| 01:11.04 | snowowl | not a devil? |
| 01:11.10 | black | bucky: firefox |
| 01:11.15 | repp_ | snowowl: no, that's *BSD |
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| 01:11.25 | snowowl | ohh sorry ;( |
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| 01:12.09 | bucky | black: do you have a link to libjavaplugin_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ |
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| 01:12.58 | ViaD | <snowowl>: The debian swirl. http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 01:13.33 | deadcat | whats the fastest way to count the chars in $PWD ? |
| 01:13.40 | black | nop.. |
| 01:13.56 | black | bucky: I have forgotten to create it.. |
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| 01:14.08 | bucky | black: try putting a link in there and restart firefox |
| 01:14.49 | Guerin | ViaD: no, national broadcasts desperately need NO DRM AT ALL. |
| 01:14.50 | black | bucky: Now is working!!! |
| 01:14.53 | black | thanks man! |
| 01:14.58 | bucky | good job! |
| 01:15.01 | black | bucky: you save my life! |
| 01:15.14 | Guerin | ViaD: DRM is mathematically false. It doesn't work. It's snake oil. |
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| 01:15.29 | Guerin | deadcat: wc |
| 01:15.40 | deadcat | Guerin: no shell function to do it faster? |
| 01:16.19 | Guerin | deadcat: the amount of time you'd spend figuring one out would mean you'd need to make about 100,000 billion counts before seeing a profit |
| 01:16.31 | deadcat | Guerin: ok |
| 01:16.40 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ${#PWD} |
| 01:16.44 | deadcat | k |
| 01:17.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh ya (= |
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| 01:17.36 | Kyrel | salute |
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| 01:18.07 | minesgm | wer can i download java for web support |
| 01:18.11 | diana | How can I have gdm start before interfaces does it's stuff? |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | !tell minesgm about install java |
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| 01:20.26 | Tortel | wow, oddly quiet now |
| 01:20.41 | diana | interfaces takes like 40 seconds to get an ip...because it checks eth0 first then tries ath0...how can I have gdm load before interfaces tries to get an ip? |
| 01:21.00 | netbrain | hm. i have a problem. i just configured the kernel on my laptop and it seems that i dont have keyboard support. any ideas of what i configured wrong? |
| 01:21.13 | ViaD | Guerin: Hehe, ok. But snake oil or not, they need it... |
| 01:21.35 | Guerin | ViaD: why? |
| 01:21.36 | dondelelcaro | diana: uh... why do you have eth0 using dhcp if you don't have a dhcp server on eth0? |
| 01:22.20 | Greatred | speaking of interfaces, i have a cracker of a problem :) |
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| 01:22.47 | foo | How would I go about troubleshooting "Nov 18 17:04:35 localhost imaplogin: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory" ? |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | foo: just a hunch .. you didn't run maildirmake ? |
| 01:23.02 | repp_ | ViaD: NPR doesn't need it |
| 01:23.03 | Greatred | an ethernet nic that i have to ifconfig down and up before it'll talk and actually send/recieve dhcp or anything else |
| 01:23.04 | dvs | foo: Make a Maildir in your home directory? |
| 01:23.23 | foo | abrotman: nope |
| 01:23.27 | ViaD | Guerin: If they stream their content, not all of it is owned by the broadcast. To 'secure' or 'ensure' the intellectual properties of ohers it is a must. |
| 01:24.08 | Guerin | ViaD: i think you could have slipped a few more meaningless buzzwords in there if you'd tried |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | foo: are you going to ? |
| 01:24.17 | Guerin | ViaD: http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt |
| 01:24.26 | foo | abrotman: Yeah, just did. Got me something different - thanks |
| 01:24.36 | dvs | foo: Different error? |
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| 01:25.12 | foo | dvs: Getting squirrelmail up .. I can fix this error, though. |
| 01:25.29 | Guerin | ViaD: the fact remains that if you can play a given piece of media, you can record it. |
| 01:25.47 | Guerin | ViaD: this will always be true, to a greater or lesser extent. |
| 01:26.00 | pusling | is there a dummy package that provides mail-transport-agent - but contains nothing ? |
| 01:26.05 | iluciv | Hi is there a way to reconfigure locale settings |
| 01:26.07 | Guerin | pusling: no. |
| 01:26.21 | dvs | iluciv: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:26.26 | Guerin | pusling: you can trivially make one with equivs. |
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| 01:26.33 | iluciv | dvs: cool thanks |
| 01:26.37 | Guerin | but just saying NO to qmail would be the wiser choice |
| 01:26.38 | dvs | iluciv: no prob |
| 01:26.42 | Greatred | anyone an expert on network interfaces not starting up correctly? |
| 01:26.49 | foo | !ask |
| 01:26.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:27.01 | Orfeous | need little help in my kernel configuration. why isnt i2c bit-banging selectable for me? using 2.6.14.2 kernel |
| 01:27.04 | Greatred | already have asked if that was directed at me ;) |
| 01:27.10 | Kyrel | !ask about geexbox |
| 01:27.28 | pusling | Guerin: I am just trying to help a former gentoo-user to use debian - and he of course installed qmail manually from source - and think debian is stupid because mysql needs to pull in a mta ;) |
| 01:27.34 | minesgm | wat file holds the ethernet settings? |
| 01:27.35 | CMT978 | Question CMT978 1132363651546: test |
| 01:27.49 | pusling | minesgm: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:27.50 | dvs | minesgm: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:27.56 | Guerin | pusling: poor bastard. |
| 01:28.00 | pusling | dvs: ha! I was faster ;) |
| 01:28.07 | dvs | pusling: Grrrrrrr |
| 01:28.57 | Greatred | but anyway... problem occured on both testing and unstable, 3c59x (as module) for the nic. seems to start the interface okay on kernel 2.6.2, 2.6.11 and onwards have had the problem. "ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up" seems to start the device okay, but a better fix would be prefered |
| 01:29.26 | repp_ | Greatred: what is the "problem"? |
| 01:29.35 | repp_ | Greatred: as in, specific details |
| 01:29.51 | Greatred | repp_, the nic doesn't seem to actually "talk" until i restart it |
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| 01:30.04 | Greatred | repp_, no packets/bytes sent/received |
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| 01:30.17 | repp_ | Greatred: how, a ping that does not come back? |
| 01:30.26 | diana | dondelelcaro: eth0 isn't hosting a dhcp server.... dondelelcaro when my computer starts interfaces tries to get an ip from a dhcp server...that's why I see dhcp lines I guess |
| 01:30.28 | mistik1 | I am running debian 3.1 and absolutely *need* to upgrade the quota tools package, how can I do this safely? |
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| 01:30.29 | Greatred | repp_, that's one example. another example is dhcp client |
| 01:30.45 | diana | dondelelcaro: I've always seen dhcp lines when my computer boots...on my other debian boxes also...that's just how it gets an ip I guess? |
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| 01:31.13 | repp_ | Greatred: So your DHCP client does not get a lease the first time? But it gets a lease the second time you try? |
| 01:31.14 | Greatred | repp_, one thing i do notice about the interface: ifconfig only reports "RUNNING" on it after i restart it |
| 01:31.16 | Kyrel | do you know about compiling new distibutions (as LFS or GEEXBOX) ? |
| 01:31.21 | diana | dondelelcaro: But when it tries to get an ip...it tries eth0 first(which isn't plugged in) then it tries ath0(wireless which works) dondelelcaro ...but it takes awhile...and it's killing my boot time...how can I have gdm start before interfaces does? |
| 01:31.21 | Kyrel | do you know about compiling new distibutions (as LFS or GEEXBOX) ? |
| 01:31.25 | Kyrel | do you know about compiling new distibutions (as LFS or GEEXBOX) ? |
| 01:31.30 | dvs | diana: If you want a fixed IP then set it for eth0 |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | Kyrel: STOP REPEATING |
| 01:31.32 | repp_ | !repeat |
| 01:31.33 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:31.40 | diana | dvs: I don't want a fixed ip. |
| 01:31.41 | Greatred | repp_, no, it just times out. if i restart the interface (down up) then it gets the lease immediately and all is fine |
| 01:31.46 | Kyrel | do you know about compiling new distibutions (as LFS or GEEXBOX) ? |
| 01:31.49 | Kyrel | hello |
| 01:31.54 | deadcat | diana: anyone maintaining slim yet? |
| 01:32.02 | repp_ | Kyrel: clue in quickly, or contact someone who speaks your native language. |
| 01:32.02 | diana | I just want gdm to start before interfaces does...for faster bootup time. |
| 01:32.07 | Kyrel | salute |
| 01:32.11 | diana | deadcat: it was itp'd on friday... |
| 01:32.15 | diana | deadcat: But no package yet. |
| 01:32.21 | diana | deadcat: My preload wnpp was itp'd though. |
| 01:32.22 | deadcat | itp? |
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| 01:32.27 | deadcat | wnpp ? |
| 01:32.28 | iluciv | I'm trying to upgrade to sid from sarge and almost have but I cannot seem to upgrade the udev package any tips onm how to replace this package |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | !itp |
| 01:32.34 | dpkg | well, itp is Intent To Package |
| 01:32.40 | deadcat | ah |
| 01:32.40 | diana | deadcat: bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
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| 01:32.53 | repp_ | Greatred: remove "auto" from your /etc/network/interfaces, then try rebooting and bringing up the interface. |
| 01:32.54 | diana | !wnpp |
| 01:32.54 | dpkg | well, wnpp is Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 01:32.59 | Orfeous | please can anyone answer my question? |
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| 01:33.21 | mike | How do i tell apt that i got an MTA installed? i installed one by hand but apt-get insists on installing exim |
| 01:33.27 | repp_ | Greatred: I suspect you may be loading some firewall rules in your boot process that is interfering with DHCP |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | Orfeous: enable broken/incomplete drivers |
| 01:33.37 | Greatred | repp_, righto, anything you specifically want me to record (dmesg etc) while it's down? |
| 01:33.39 | Guerin | Orfeous: ask #kernelnewbies irc.oftc.org |
| 01:33.54 | Kyrel | do you know about compiling new distibutions (as LFS or GEEXBOX) ? |
| 01:33.55 | repp_ | Greatred: only if you notice an error |
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| 01:34.02 | Greatred | repp_, possibly... but i feel it is unlikely. i'll give it a go |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | !tell Kyrel about repeat |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | !tell Kyrel about repeat |
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| 01:34.13 | repp_ | Greatred: removing "auto" will just stop it from connecting on boot |
| 01:34.19 | deadcat | !also tell this guy about saluting too |
| 01:34.48 | Greatred | biab |
| 01:34.53 | Wanderer | anyone know much about Xorg, Mesa and Hardware acceleration? |
| 01:35.14 | deadcat | Wanderer: try #xorg |
| 01:35.16 | Guerin | Wanderer: nope. |
| 01:35.31 | Wanderer | Just tried to start up Wolfenstien 3D under linux and it's telling me I don't have Mesa Hardware Accel |
| 01:35.33 | Guerin | Wanderer: it's one of life's mysteries - like the great cthulhu. |
| 01:35.39 | dvs | o_O |
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| 01:35.44 | Kyrel | do you know about compiling new distibutions (as LFS or GEEXBOX) ? |
| 01:35.50 | Guerin | Kyrel: fuck off |
| 01:35.51 | Wanderer | deadcat; I'm not sure it's an Xord thing and might be a missing Lib I can't find from debian unstable |
| 01:35.55 | Guerin | Kyrel: this is #debian |
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| 01:36.13 | ViaD | Thanx <Guerin>. Lots of reading to do now. And repp_, thanx, I'll try out http://www.npr.org :) |
| 01:36.15 | deadcat | Kyrel: and didnt we tell you to stop repeating? |
| 01:36.32 | saloxin | diana: simplest way would be to symlink /etc/init.d/gdm smoewhere earier in the etc/rc?.d/ structure, like rcS.d/S35gdm |
| 01:36.40 | repp_ | Kyrel doesn't speak english, he speaks french? |
| 01:36.53 | saloxin | diana: but i dunno how it would work though, as i think gnome wants networking to start |
| 01:36.56 | Guerin | repp_: 'fuck off' is universably intelligible |
| 01:36.58 | Kyrel | Guerin, i know... |
| 01:37.01 | Guerin | Kyrel: good. |
| 01:37.04 | abrotman | !tell Kyrel about repeat |
| 01:37.10 | Kyrel | repp_ i'm french |
| 01:37.19 | diana | saloxin: I already did that. |
| 01:37.20 | deadcat | Kyrel: we can tell |
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| 01:37.31 | diana | saloxin: I have gdm as the lost S??gdm in /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:37.34 | repp_ | Kyrel: I recommend that you find other french people with which you can speak french |
| 01:38.00 | beardy | !fr |
| 01:38.00 | diana | saloxin: interafaces isn't listed in /etc/rc2.d it is somewhere else or something....but interfaces still loads before gdm even though gdm is the lowest number on /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:38.01 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | beardy: that'd be good .. if it were debian related :) |
| 01:38.22 | Kyrel | repp_, you're right, but any french people respond to my question... |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | isn't there a #linux-fr ? |
| 01:38.43 | beardy | abrotman: I only read the last few lines :) |
| 01:38.57 | saloxin | diana: rcS.d gets run before rc2, that's where you'll find S40networking |
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| 01:39.27 | iluciv | Hi I think I had my locales setting incorrect when I updated so the udev package did upgrade when I did apt-get dist-upgrade now this udev pakage is holding up gnome from loading I've reset my locales package and tried to force install also tried to remove udev package but still no joy. Is there anything else I can try? I don't really want to install from scratch again |
| 01:39.38 | Lewix | Kyrel: tu es francais :p |
| 01:39.54 | Orfeous | Guerin: that server isnt available |
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| 01:40.03 | abrotman | iluciv: error messages are helpful |
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| 01:40.24 | Greatred | repp_, right i gave that a go. "ifup lo" worked fine, "ifup eth0" did not. it attempted dhcp and timed out. "ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; ifup eth0" brought it up |
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| 01:40.25 | iluciv | abrotman: Ok brb |
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| 01:40.50 | diana | thanks saloxin |
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| 01:41.21 | cmh204 | I have a RAID-5 array that used to run with some drives on my motherboard IDE controllers and some on a separate IDE controller card. The controller card died and I want to get my data, so I moved all but one of the drives to the motherboard to assemble it degraded. But the superblocks on the drives expect different devices. The man page for mdadm says it can "fiddle superblocks", but I can't figure out how. Can someone help me? |
| 01:41.22 | Andy837 | what gui would you recomend for debian, just want a basic (light gui) no real apps ,other than a console, user management, internet browser asnd a few other basic things/./.... |
| 01:41.24 | diana | saloxin: Can I mv /etc/rc2.d/S??gdm /etc/rcS.d? |
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| 01:41.55 | Greatred | repp_, one thing i will also add to the fray at this stage is that i am using ifrename to name a nic with a given mac address as eth0 (and so on for eth1 and eth2) |
| 01:41.56 | Kyrel | I know that i'm french, and then my english is quite bad, but i understand you, and I think you'll understand me, even if ùy english is bad. I've to make an embedded linux system to read DivX on a PC104 card, and i wanted to test it with a geexbox. Please help me. |
| 01:41.58 | deadcat | no |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | Kyrel: THIS CHANNEL IS FOR DEBIAN .. go to #linux |
| 01:42.20 | saloxin | diana: it's a symlink pointing to ../init.d/gdm, so should work |
| 01:42.51 | Mrdini | hmm, when I do an dselect update before, I get a screen comparing old & new config files...... HOW do I redo the config files option? |
| 01:43.15 | Andy837 | what gui would you recomend for debian, just want a basic (light gui) no real apps ,other than a console, user management, internet browser asnd a few other basic things/./.... |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | blackbox or xfce |
| 01:43.36 | dvs | Andy837: I've hear xfce is nice |
| 01:44.03 | Kyrel | abrotman, my first linux distribution was debian woody. I know this channel is for Debian users, but i'm a debian user, following to the distribution I use. |
| 01:44.10 | Lewix | Kyrel: pourquoi tu ne demande pas de l'aide sur #debain-fr ou #linux-fr |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | Kyrel: geexbox is NOT debian |
| 01:44.25 | Kyrel | Lewix, personne ne répond |
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| 01:44.37 | abrotman | and take the french to #debian-fr |
| 01:44.45 | Lewix | Kyrel: ok. je comprend |
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| 01:45.16 | Guerin | Kyrel: dude, your english is fine. You're just offtopic. |
| 01:45.22 | Lewix | lol |
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| 01:45.43 | Kyrel | Lewix, can you explaint it to abrotman |
| 01:45.43 | Andy837 | can i install VNC on blackbox or xfce |
| 01:45.44 | Kyrel | ? |
| 01:46.08 | Guerin | Andy837: vnc has nothing to do with your choice of window manager. |
| 01:46.17 | hellkat | I have Dark Snow (Darkice) set up to broadcast my /dev/dsp file to an icecast2 server, when I connect to that server on another computer, it streams, but no sound plays, |
| 01:46.31 | Andy837 | ok |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | explain what? .. you're asking about something that isn't debian |
| 01:46.48 | saloxin | hellkat: classic. check your mixer settings on source machine |
| 01:47.22 | hellkat | saloxin: the machine that I run darksnow on? what do I change? |
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| 01:49.16 | Kyrel | abrotman, I know that I'm asking about is not Debian, but please, don't be so proud : I'm clearly asking for your skills as Linux users. Gexxbox is not Debian, but remember that GNU is not Unix... |
| 01:49.36 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:49.48 | deadcat | Kyrel: whats Gexxbox have to do with debian? |
| 01:49.50 | saloxin | hellkat: you playing locally on machine or inut through soundcard |
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| 01:49.52 | Kyrel | lol |
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| 01:50.22 | hellkat | saloxin: I'm broadcasting to a server from across the internet. |
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| 01:51.05 | saloxin | hellkat: yes. but on the broadcaster, the one with darkice, is it the one playing music, or does it get input from it's soundcard? |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | Kyrel: then ask in #linux |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | Kyrel: there are people with linux skills there too |
| 01:51.30 | PaulGenez1975 | ) |
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| 01:51.41 | deadcat | abrotman: really? (= |
| 01:51.43 | PaulGenez1975 | ( |
| 01:51.43 | diana | Is it ok if I mv /etc/rc2.d/S99/xdm /etc/rcS.d/S06 ? ( http://pastebin.com/434953 [ ls /etc/rcS.d ]) |
| 01:51.50 | diana | Will that break my system or do anything bad? |
| 01:51.55 | PaulGenez1975 | a |
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| 01:52.02 | diana | I just want xdm to start very fast...I don't like waiting for all that stuff to scroll my screen. |
| 01:52.07 | deadcat | diana: no |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | PaulGene: are you broken ? |
| 01:52.17 | hellkat | saloxin: its the one playing music, on /dev/dsp (I've already done a lsof | grep "/dev/dsp" and XMMS shows up, and I can hear it on my speakers) |
| 01:52.19 | diana | deadcat: no don't do it? |
| 01:52.23 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 01:52.24 | Guerin | will that even work? |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:52.29 | deadcat | diana: do it. its ok. |
| 01:52.31 | diana | Guerin: me? |
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| 01:52.49 | Guerin | diana: if you want fast bootage look into hotplug-perl and/or init-ng |
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| 01:53.03 | abrotman | !parallel boot |
| 01:53.03 | dpkg | i heard parallel boot is http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-boot.html?ca=dnt-437 |
| 01:53.04 | PaulGenez1975 | :/ |
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| 01:53.15 | Kyrel | I just wanted to say I need your help if you can help me. I know it's a Debian channel, but there's not a Geexbox channel and al french channels are full but anybody replies to my request, so I thought that you could help me. Sorry if it's too diffcult for you :( |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | Kyrel: ask #linux |
| 01:53.40 | deadcat | Kyrel: we dont know geexbox |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | sorry if that's too difficult for you |
| 01:53.47 | saloxin | you usually have to fiddle with aumix, pushing space to set recording device, but i usually streamed from soundcard, not local music so i'm not sure |
| 01:53.52 | paolob | Hi guys! I was trying to install skype into my testing, but it requires libqt3c102-mt, which isn't in debian. How can I do ? thank you! |
| 01:54.05 | deadcat | Guerin: guess it didnt work: 17:53 -!- diana [n=diana@ool-457a6467.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] |
| 01:54.26 | hellkat | paolob: google that file, install it. or apt-cache search it, |
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| 01:54.28 | cmh204 | I have a RAID-5 array that used to run with some drives on my |
| 01:54.28 | cmh204 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.28 | cmh204 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.28 | cmh204 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.42 | iluciv | abrotman:Sorry its on another machine in another room:->the following packages have unmet dependencies hal:Depends udev(>=0.063) but 0.056-3 is installed udev:Depends: hotplug(>=0.020040329-77) further down prepare to replace udev 0.056-3 (using /archives/udev_0.074-3-i386.deb) ln:creating symbolic link /etc/udev/rules.d/z55.hotplu.rules to ../hotplug.rules :file exists dpkg error procseeing /var/cache/apt/archivesa/udev_0.0743-i386.deb subproce |
| 01:54.42 | iluciv | ss pre-installation script error exit status 1 E: subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:54.46 | minesgm | !java |
| 01:54.46 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 01:54.59 | minesgm | !install java |
| 01:54.59 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
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| 01:55.12 | Guerin | minesgm: message the bot |
| 01:55.14 | Guerin | svp |
| 01:55.17 | minesgm | sorry |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | iluciv: known issue .. check bugs.debian.org/udev |
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| 01:55.31 | iluciv | ok thanks |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: you drag them all here! |
| 01:55.47 | iluciv | it is repairable then |
| 01:55.53 | cmh204 | I have a RAID-5 array that used to run with some drives on my motherboard IDE controllers and some on a separate IDE controller card. The controller card died and I want to get my data, so I moved all but one of the drives to the motherboard to assemble it degraded. But the superblocks on the drives expect different devices. The man page for mdadm says it can "fiddle superblocks", but I can't figure out how. Can someone help me? |
| 01:56.09 | cmh204 | sorry to repeat my question and to have stupidly flooded, but I am in a real bind here |
| 01:56.37 | Dotrig | how i restart apache2 |
| 01:56.42 | Kyrel | I love GNU politic, but i'm sorry to see that some people are so closed minded in the movement. To share is'nt the basis ? |
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| 01:56.51 | Dotrig | /etc/int?? and something |
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| 01:56.59 | dvs | Dotrig: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 01:57.08 | abrotman | god .. he's so stupid |
| 01:57.12 | Dotrig | Thanks :D |
| 01:57.12 | blockd_ | Dotrig: /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 01:57.31 | blockd_ | (nm) |
| 01:57.58 | Dotrig | ET is funn |
| 01:58.01 | Nebetsu | I've been using XFE for a while and even though it's pretty good, I'd like a file manager that lets me preview images. Can anyone think of anything. (BTW: I'm using Fluxbox, so X applications are prefured) |
| 01:58.09 | deadcat | Kyrel: whats geexbox have to do with politic? |
| 01:58.14 | ghostpsalm | Why does DMRAID not work in a chroot envirn; ERROR: opening path /sys/block |
| 01:58.14 | Kyrel | abrotman, I know... it's sad, is'ont it ? |
| 01:58.22 | Makro | hello, i got a weird problem, i take some files from a windows xp partition and put it into my linux partition (debian sarge), some files are fine, but many documents, pictures and stuff are not readable or recognizable by the programs that previously open it without problems, even openoffice documents are not open by openofiice asking me about the correct set of characters..i try all of them and nothing works, only grabage on the docs, the pics |
| 01:58.22 | Makro | if i open it with gimp, it comes an error saying that is not a picture file (jpg) and his first line is 0x91, 0x3f by example,,,dunno what to do...any clue? |
| 01:58.25 | Kyrel | lol |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | Nebetsu: the only ones i know of are nautilus and konqeror .. maybe gentoo lets you ? |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | !info gentoo sarge |
| 01:58.38 | blockd_ | Nebetsu: rox supposedly lets you |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | Kyrel: that you're stupid ? |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | doesn't bother me |
| 01:58.56 | Kyrel | abrotman, yes. |
| 01:59.12 | repp_ | Kyrel: seek french speakers |
| 01:59.21 | repp_ | Kyrel: your english is terrible. |
| 01:59.25 | Guerin | Kyrel: this is not about politics, nor about exclusion. It's about the fact that #debian gets THOUSANDS of offtopic questions every day, and we don't need more. I suggest you ask a linux-embedded or a linuxfromscratch forum |
| 01:59.42 | saloxin | Kyrel: seek docs for your choice of linux, this is .. #debian |
| 01:59.44 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:59.46 | Nebetsu | ok thanks abrotman and blockd_ I'll try out nautilus and rox |
| 01:59.46 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 01:59.50 | Guerin | hie english is fine |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | or he could try #linux-fr |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:00.15 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 02:00.18 | Guerin | abrotman: he has already |
| 02:00.23 | PaulGenez1975 | :( |
| 02:00.28 | ghostpsalm | Why does DMRAID not work in a chroot envirn; ERROR: opening path /sys/block |
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| 02:01.51 | Dotrig | Any have a guide howto setup a mailserver?. |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | Dotrig: depends on the mailserver |
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| 02:02.15 | Dotrig | only just for pop3 and webmail. |
| 02:02.19 | fevoldj2 | Hi, how do I stop a module from loading at startup? |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | i meant the smtp server |
| 02:02.23 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 02:02.24 | dpkg | [mail tutorial] at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 02:03.12 | fevoldj2 | like ipv6 for instance |
| 02:03.34 | deadcat | fevoldj2: check hotplug's blacklist.. if they still use blacklist |
| 02:03.55 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: probably because /sys/block isn't accessible from your chroot environment |
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| 02:04.12 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: not sure what else to say without more info... |
| 02:05.08 | arafangion | What was that program that shows all the bugs in whatever upgrade you do? |
| 02:05.20 | arafangion | Integrates the bts into apt-get |
| 02:05.31 | abrotman | apt-listbugs ? |
| 02:05.31 | ghostpsalm | blockd_: I am trying to install onto my software RAID (via), I have run deboot, etc. Everything is ready - trying to configure grub to install loader into MBR, but I can't stat the RAID for it to setup. |
| 02:05.56 | arafangion | abrotman: Thought so, I guess it's not in Sarge, then. |
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| 02:06.11 | abrotman | arafangion: yes |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | err yes it is |
| 02:06.26 | abrotman | arafangion: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/apt-listbugs |
| 02:06.31 | arafangion | Hmm, thanks. |
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| 02:06.54 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: I see... do you have a 2.6 kernel after installing already? |
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| 02:07.17 | Kyrel | abrotman, i know i am stupid. I know i'm, even just a little, aggressive, but i can't bear people who tell me thank i'm in the wrong place. I'm on a Debian channel. A lot of people come to ask about their system. Mine works very well, ok. But I need to build, with a Debian host system, a geexbox, and I've a problem. Is it so difficult to say that you don't know about geexbox or something like that ? I thought linux community was cool, but I see if you're not |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | Kyrel: fine .. .i'm not cool . i don't care .. go away |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | apparently he's stuck in sunday |
| 02:07.57 | Dotrig | must i upgrade the kernel?. |
| 02:08.00 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 02:08.03 | ghostpsalm | blockd_: Yes, as far as I know. How would I check? |
| 02:08.07 | sidizen | i am trying to set up my printer in debian. it's a lexmark z600. i have installed the driver but i can't seem to be able to get it to print a test page...any suggestions on possible packages to install? |
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| 02:08.26 | abrotman | what a damn tard |
| 02:08.27 | Kyrel | abrotman, i know i am stupid. I know i'm, even just a little, aggressive, but i can't bear people who tell me thank i'm in the wrong place. I'm on a Debian channel. |
| 02:08.29 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: I haven't really tried sarge with anything but stable, but that comes with 2.4. |
| 02:08.31 | Kyrel | abrotman, i know i am stupid. I know i'm, even just a little, aggressive, but i can't bear people who tell me thank i'm in the wrong place. |
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| 02:08.39 | arafangion | Kyrel: As soon as someone says that someone is not cool, their support is entirely withdrawn, unless you're talking about Bill Gates and his friends. |
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| 02:08.40 | Kyrel | bubu |
| 02:08.52 | Kyrel | abrotman, i know i am stupid. I know i'm, even just a little, aggressive, but i can't bear people who tell me thank i'm in the wrong place. I'm on a Debian channel. |
| 02:08.58 | Kyrel | bubu |
| 02:08.59 | Guerin | Kyrel: stop repeating |
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| 02:09.03 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: uname -a |
| 02:09.10 | Guerin | twat |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | that's a nice word |
| 02:09.36 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: although "uname -r" is sufficent |
| 02:10.04 | ghostpsalm | blockd_: Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic #1 Mon Oct 10 13:27:39 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:10.10 | blockd_ | ghostpsalm: it could be the difference between what you have installed on disk and what you're running in the installer.. |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | ghostpsalm: #ubuntu |
| 02:10.24 | arafangion | Ok, I'm using oldstable |
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| 02:10.30 | arafangion | oldstable does'nt have apt-listbugs |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | oh .. no .. woody dosn't .. sarge does |
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| 02:11.08 | arafangion | I should upgrade to Sarge |
| 02:11.24 | arafangion | Reluctant to do so, though, slow connection 200 KM away |
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| 02:11.57 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 02:12.11 | arafangion | abrotman: What? |
| 02:12.15 | abrotman | he came back |
| 02:12.21 | arafangion | Damn |
| 02:12.36 | paolob | Hi all! |
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| 02:12.46 | Kyrel | abrotman, i know i am stupid. I know i'm, even just a little, aggressive, but i can't bear people who tell me thank i'm in the wrong place. I'm on a Debian channel. A lot of people come to ask about their system. Mine works very well, ok. But I need to build, with a Debian host system, a geexbox, and I've a problem. Is it so difficult to say that you don't know about geexbox or something like that ? I thought linux community was cool, but I see if you're not |
| 02:12.56 | abrotman | !tell Kyrel about repeat |
| 02:13.04 | Kyrel | lol |
| 02:13.11 | arafangion | !tell Kyrel about lol |
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| 02:13.54 | abrotman | Kyrel: btw .. you're in the wrong place .. try #linux |
| 02:13.57 | diana | Guerin: What were those tools to help make a faster booting system? |
| 02:14.01 | arafangion | abrotman: I personally hate rate-limited mail servers :( |
| 02:14.17 | arafangion | abrotman: Got about 270 emails left to send... at one damn email every 5 minutes! |
| 02:14.17 | diana | hotplug-perl wasn't on apt-get...and I think you said init-ng I couldn't find either. |
| 02:14.20 | Guerin | diana: init-ng and hotplug-perl are two I know of |
| 02:14.32 | Kyrel | abrotman, I said to you that #linux don't give me any response... |
| 02:14.33 | Guerin | diana: the names might be subtly different, or not in stable |
| 02:14.39 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 02:14.39 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:14.40 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 02:14.40 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:14.40 | diana | Guerin: I'm using unstable. |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | arafangion: that sucks .. get a new ISP :) |
| 02:15.01 | Kyrel | abrotman, that's why i'm here |
| 02:15.04 | Guerin | diana: ok. I'm speaking from anecdote here, so i can't help much more |
| 02:15.21 | arafangion | abrotman: Easier said than done :) |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | Kyrel: you're still in the wrong place |
| 02:15.56 | arafangion | apt-listchanges is *cool* :) |
| 02:15.56 | diana | debian:/etc/rc2.d# apt-cache search hotplug|grep -i perl |
| 02:15.56 | diana | debian:/etc/rc2.d# |
| 02:16.05 | Guerin | !ops please let Kyrel know WHY we can't help him with his non-debian questions |
| 02:16.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please let Kyrel know WHY we can't help him with his non-debian questions |
| 02:16.34 | sidizen | any ideas on possible packages I might need to run CUPS? |
| 02:16.38 | iluciv | abrotman: Sorry I think I've found the problem (kernel issue I only have 2.6.8 installed and udev_0.063+_ requires 2.6.12+ I've tried downloading a later kerenl image but I can't get past the udev bit |
| 02:16.39 | sidizen | i've already dpkg cups |
| 02:16.40 | sidizen | btw |
| 02:16.44 | Guerin | sidizen: cupsys-bsd |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | iluciv: ah .. yes it does .. |
| 02:16.48 | sidizen | i've got that |
| 02:17.02 | abrotman | iluciv: dpkg -i linux-image-<whatever> |
| 02:17.04 | deadcat | cupsys and cupsys-bsd |
| 02:17.13 | sidizen | deadcat: yup both |
| 02:17.19 | Kyrel | Sorry but i just wanted to read : "we don't know HOW to help you"... It's simple... |
| 02:17.33 | deadcat | sidizen: ya. i try to install the minimum and these 2 seems ok. |
| 02:17.43 | arafangion | Kyrel: Learn how to read the damn thing properly. |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | Kyrel: we don't WANT to help you .. go to #linuix |
| 02:17.46 | deadcat | Kyrel: no. we dont want to help you |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | #linux |
| 02:17.53 | js_ | fu |
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| 02:17.53 | sidizen | well i see my driver |
| 02:18.07 | sidizen | my printer is just not responding |
| 02:18.08 | iluciv | abrotman: would it already be in an the achive (new kern image that is) |
| 02:18.31 | deadcat | sidizen: i need a printer. i've been asking my classmate to do my printing this sem (= |
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| 02:18.40 | iluciv | I mean on my machine from upgrade sarge->sid |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | iluciv: yeah .. they're called linux-image-<foo> now |
| 02:18.46 | Kyrel | Finally excuse me. |
| 02:18.50 | arafangion | deadcat: You pay for his ink? :) |
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| 02:19.10 | deadcat | arafangion: no. i just ask until she say no (= |
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| 02:19.14 | arafangion | deadcat: Then I wouldn't change it :) |
| 02:19.15 | iluciv | abrotman:thanks heaps |
| 02:19.16 | stazich | hey, i have free space on /dev/hda5, and want to fill it with a Ext3 linux partition... how do i do that?? |
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| 02:19.40 | sidizen | on printer state it says cannot process raster |
| 02:19.41 | blockd | stazich: mkfs |
| 02:19.49 | deadcat | arafangion: nah i need a laser printer... cheap one though |
| 02:19.50 | sidizen | what does that mean? |
| 02:19.53 | xeneixe | alguien hbala español? |
| 02:20.07 | arafangion | deadcat: I like the Brother 1240 and up. |
| 02:20.15 | blockd | sidizen: it's the program to use. You should probably read the man page to know how it use it properly. |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:20.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:20.28 | arafangion | deadcat: Not great with linux support, margins are shit, etc, but it does work, and damn it's cheap. |
| 02:20.31 | sidizen | blockd: man page for which program? |
| 02:20.33 | sidizen | cupsys? |
| 02:20.36 | blockd | sidizen: man mkfs |
| 02:20.37 | deadcat | arafangion: the samsung that was on sale was $25 after rebate.. so i am kinna piss for not getting it |
| 02:21.02 | sidizen | mkfs? |
| 02:21.03 | sidizen | ok |
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| 02:21.13 | blockd | sidizen: you can also "upgrade" ext2 to ext3 with tune2fs |
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| 02:21.20 | blockd | without data loss |
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| 02:21.37 | karsten | God I love this stuff. |
| 02:21.43 | arafangion | karsten: Hmm? |
| 02:21.46 | raden1 | deadcat, what you looing for ? |
| 02:21.48 | karsten | Anaconda install (Ok, so it's not a Debian story, sue me)... |
| 02:21.53 | blockd | sidizen: there's probably a gui tool to do this, but that's just what I use. It's the basic way of doing it. |
| 02:22.03 | karsten | ... and it chokes on being able to remove an LVM. Drop to Python debugger. |
| 02:22.06 | deadcat | raden1: samsung are cheap. not sure about brother |
| 02:22.09 | karsten | Cow-orker walks over to help. |
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| 02:22.11 | gpm | how do i turn off system beep? also...my speakers are making some kind of weird beep, not sure if it's realted to the system beep. |
| 02:22.15 | raden1 | deadcat, for printers ? |
| 02:22.19 | karsten | Me: "Can you shell out of python?" |
| 02:22.19 | deadcat | raden1: ya |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | !beep |
| 02:22.19 | dpkg | hmm... beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 02:22.24 | Kyrel | deadcat, why you don't want to help me ? |
| 02:22.24 | karsten | Him: "Lets see". |
| 02:22.27 | arafangion | gpm: I personally remove the speaker. |
| 02:22.29 | karsten | The answer is "Yes". |
| 02:22.30 | raden1 | deadcat, what you looking todo ? and price ? |
| 02:22.37 | deadcat | Kyrel: because i am a jerk |
| 02:22.48 | gpm | arafangion: yeah, but i actually like to LISTEN to stuff...like music |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | didn't someone call ops .. a while ago ? |
| 02:22.55 | deadcat | raden1: print webpage pdf txt and hella cheap |
| 02:23.18 | arafangion | gpm: I hope you use a higher quality speaker than the motherboard speaker for that :) |
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| 02:23.36 | Kyrel | deadcat, really intersting... explain |
| 02:23.44 | blockd | sidizen: oops, damn nick completion... sorry about that. |
| 02:23.49 | karsten | "os.system("/bin/sh") |
| 02:23.49 | beardy | !bell |
| 02:23.49 | dpkg | i guess bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 02:24.01 | deadcat | !jerk |
| 02:24.01 | dpkg | i guess jerk is someone who needs something to do. |
| 02:24.09 | deadcat | Kyrel: ^^ (= |
| 02:24.14 | lordnazgu | i keep getting this message when in text mode, and dmesg logs it when im in x. the ip is for a playstation 2 on my LAN. any ideas what it is, or how i can stop it ? 192.168.1.106 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast: 192.168.1.255 on eth0 |
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| 02:24.49 | arafangion | Kyrel: To summarise, you have a generic linux issue, which is supposed to be asked in ##linux. Instead you come in here and ask, and when nobody responds adequately, you abuse the linux community. |
| 02:25.06 | blockd | stazich: man mkfs, accidentally sent to somebody else... |
| 02:25.06 | arafangion | Kyrel: Do you really think that abusing someone will make them *want* to help you? |
| 02:25.08 | Kyrel | so deadcat, please download Geexbox at www.geexbox.org (the site is in englidh) and try it. It's very interresting. |
| 02:25.14 | beardy | gpm: the !bell was for you |
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| 02:25.21 | arafangion | Kyrel: Oh, and we don't care about geexbox. |
| 02:25.44 | deadcat | Kyrel: no, i want some grape drink! |
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| 02:26.03 | abrotman | !ops will you please remove Kyrel |
| 02:26.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: will you please remove Kyrel |
| 02:26.05 | MrPrimate | can you guys give me any tips on getting past dependency issues, like when you get: |
| 02:26.10 | MrPrimate | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.15 | jaaro | My deb server uses postfix as MTA and esmtp which is configured to connect to the remote smtp server. Although mail send using mail command gets delivered it has From: root <root@smtp.iol.cz> in its header... |
| 02:26.18 | m4lu7 | MrPrimate, yeah. |
| 02:26.19 | Kyrel | fuck off. you don't even know what gexxbox is. |
| 02:26.21 | m4lu7 | install the lib |
| 02:26.22 | jaaro | how can I change this? |
| 02:26.28 | abrocadabro | blockd: don't you also have to go through fdisk before you can mkfs? |
| 02:26.34 | MrPrimate | m4lu7, I do install, the lib again and then same problem |
| 02:26.37 | m4lu7 | as in, apt-get install guile-1.6-slib |
| 02:26.40 | deadcat | Kyrel: i see XXX, so i figure its porn? |
| 02:26.45 | arafangion | jaaro: Let me guess... you ran 'mail' as root? |
| 02:26.46 | blockd | abrocadabro: it depends... you generally want a linux partition |
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| 02:27.03 | m4lu7 | MrPrimate, check version deps |
| 02:27.03 | jaaro | arafangion - yes I did. |
| 02:27.06 | blockd | abrocadabro: mkfs just creates a file system on the partition |
| 02:27.12 | arafangion | jaaro: So what's the problem? |
| 02:27.16 | CMT9782 | Question CMT9782 1132367232843: c |
| 02:27.31 | deadcat | karsten: you think you can hook me up a laser printer from work? (= if you catch my drift |
| 02:27.31 | beardy | Kyrel: The one to fuck off is you, you obviously don't know which channel you are in, it's not gexxbox's. |
| 02:27.49 | dondelelcaro | look, folks. use /ignore. Don't tell people to fuck off. |
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| 02:27.50 | jaaro | arafangion: I would like to do some rewriting e.g. every mail sent from local machine should predent it was sent from this@origin.org or something like this. |
| 02:28.04 | dondelelcaro | Kyrel: if you need help with Debian, ask here. Otherwise, kindly go elsewhere. |
| 02:28.19 | ViaD | Are there any debian podcasts? |
| 02:28.19 | deadcat | you guys have to calmn down. i dont know what the f hes talking about, but he seems nice (= |
| 02:28.34 | jaaro | dendelelcaro: I also ask about things loosely connected with debian itself ;) |
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| 02:28.44 | arafangion | jaaro: So, you want all emails from olduser@oldserver to go instead to newuser@newserver? |
| 02:28.45 | sidizen | sweet i figured it out! |
| 02:28.55 | beardy | If someone says "fuck off" they should be able to take one directed at them too. |
| 02:29.09 | dondelelcaro | beardy: that's great, but you don't need to subject the rest of us to that. |
| 02:29.10 | Kyrel | deadcat, so, so funny. Geexbox is a small multimedia liveCD distribution made to read some streams, as divx, avi, wmv, xvid, matroska, etc... I've to make an divx player embedded system on a PC104 computer, and geexbox is a good distribution for testing. |
| 02:29.24 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 02:29.25 | MrPrimate | m4lu7, thanks it was version issues |
| 02:29.25 | dondelelcaro | Kyrel: geexbox is OT in #debian. |
| 02:29.31 | deadcat | Kyrel: so its for porn right? |
| 02:29.41 | jaaro | arafangion: if you mean: all mail that is send from the olduser@oldserver looks as if it was sent by newuser@newserver. Yes. That is what I want. |
| 02:29.43 | Kyrel | deadcat, yes it is. |
| 02:29.47 | deadcat | cool. |
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| 02:30.16 | maatttt | is tar an effective way to backup an fs, I want to repartition and want to restore after ? |
| 02:30.24 | beardy | dondelelcaro: It's easy to be nice if you don't listen through it all. |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | maatttt: it can be |
| 02:30.43 | MrPrimate | maatttt, just don't use -v ;) |
| 02:30.50 | dondelelcaro | beardy: that's what /ignore is for. You don't have to subject yourself to it. /ignore -replies makes it doubly nice. |
| 02:30.52 | abrotman | maatttt: kind of depends on the FS in question .. and the options used |
| 02:31.06 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Yes, I know you are right. |
| 02:31.10 | arafangion | jaaro: I think you can use rules for that. |
| 02:31.14 | arafangion | jaaro: Use an alias map |
| 02:31.29 | maatttt | well, i'm thinking i will tar / an ext3 to another system. |
| 02:31.49 | arafangion | Kyrel: We don't discuss porn here. |
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| 02:32.38 | sidizen | why are you guys talkinga bout porn? |
| 02:32.40 | Aerk | Why does the kernel have the option to blacklist older machines from ACPI? |
| 02:32.43 | jaaro | arafangion: thanks. I'll try to find out how. |
| 02:32.47 | Guerin | what the fuck? |
| 02:33.31 | beardy | dondelelcaro: When redirecting someone, one (at least I) does it out of niceness, to help the person get to the right place, after some repeated offtopic questions/comments over a longer period of time, it gets annoying. But again, of course /ignore is better, but sooner or later someone else is going to get pissed off. |
| 02:34.03 | arafangion | Aerk: Because ACPI is often buggy. |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | esp on older machines |
| 02:34.31 | Kyrel | In fact, even if I'm not on a geexbox channel (that does'nt exist yet) I don't understand why people who don't know how to help me shuts off, like in french channels. |
| 02:34.35 | dondelelcaro | beardy: yeah, redirecting is fine... the problem is when people start cursing at eachother, instead of dealing with the core issue (someone asking something in the wrong channel) we get to deal with the anciliary issues of people screaming at achother. |
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| 02:34.52 | arafangion | Kyrel: Because you have yet to learn how to make people *want* to help you. |
| 02:35.08 | sidizen | debian is awesome! |
| 02:35.12 | deadcat | arafangion: i was gonna help. but i dont know what the hell he was talking about |
| 02:35.28 | dondelelcaro | Kyrel: spend the next 10 minutes contemplating the question that is on topic for #debian that you want to ask. |
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| 02:35.39 | ViaD | Are there any debian radio? (not the package) |
| 02:35.44 | karsten | deadcat: No. |
| 02:35.46 | abrotman | ViaD: ? |
| 02:35.53 | karsten | deadcat: OTOH, used ones are pretty common. |
| 02:35.58 | karsten | deadcat: .. and reasonable. |
| 02:35.59 | dondelelcaro | ViaD: not to my knowledge, no. DDs are on radio shows occasionally, though. |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | ViaD: you want a package to listen to radio via an FM tuner ? |
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| 02:36.04 | deadcat | !otoh |
| 02:36.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
| 02:36.04 | beardy | ViaD: Some program to listen to radio, or a show? what do you mean? |
| 02:36.15 | arafangion | Many people use ubuntu? Looks really nice for desktops (Though I wouldn't touch it for servers) |
| 02:36.18 | Tortel | !YAFA |
| 02:36.18 | dpkg | somebody said yafa was Yet Another Freakin Acronym. |
| 02:36.22 | Tortel | :P |
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| 02:36.37 | deadcat | karsten: i figure you can pull a inside job (= |
| 02:36.47 | ViaD | abrotman: no, listen to debian stuff |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | ViaD: oh .. you asked earlier about podcasts didn't you ? |
| 02:37.06 | sidizen | arafangion: why not use sid if you want something nice for desktops? |
| 02:37.09 | sidizen | ;) |
| 02:37.19 | beardy | dondelelcaro: In this case though, the core issue were handles some times before swaring occured. |
| 02:37.20 | ViaD | abrotman: yes. no answers |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | because stuff in sid breaks ? |
| 02:37.24 | beardy | handled |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | ViaD: i'm not aware of any .. there is the LinuxRadio show .. or whatever it is .. |
| 02:37.42 | arafangion | sidizen: Give ubuntu a go, it's amazing, though, it doesn't have much software. |
| 02:37.53 | sidizen | abrotman: only if you want' read...i.e. don't have apt-listbugs installed |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | sidizen: stuff still breaks i suppose |
| 02:38.10 | deadcat | arafangion: you hve to uncomment multi and uni verse (= |
| 02:38.15 | sidizen | arafangion: i've tried ubuntu...it's pretty nice...but i also like the philosophy and politics of debian better |
| 02:38.24 | dondelelcaro | beardy: well, since the person was still asking OT questions, it hadn't quite been resolved... |
| 02:38.27 | arafangion | deadcat: Even so, doesn't have as much as debian :) |
| 02:38.29 | sidizen | abrotman: yeah but you can minimize your changes by using apt-listbugs |
| 02:38.35 | deadcat | arafangion: true |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | sidizen: no way! |
| 02:38.53 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Should it have been, resolved as in the offtopic question answered until he was happy? |
| 02:38.55 | sidizen | abrotman: changes/chance |
| 02:39.02 | arafangion | sidizen: Ubuntu also has a nice philosophy, imho, ubuntu == desktop and debian == servers |
| 02:39.18 | Guerin | arafangion: ubuntu is offtopic as well |
| 02:39.28 | sidizen | well i run sid on my desktop and i've had no compliments |
| 02:39.36 | dondelelcaro | beardy: no, just an op called, and ignored until such time as it was dealt with. |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | sidizen: complaints ? |
| 02:39.47 | sidizen | ha ha ha |
| 02:39.53 | sidizen | abrotman: i think your right |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | sidizen: you're ? |
| 02:40.04 | sidizen | ha ha |
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| 02:40.12 | arafangion | sidizen: I certainly didn't have any either ;) (But I ran sid for 6 months without an update, then updated right in the middle of teh gcc4 update) |
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| 02:40.15 | sidizen | you wouldn't know it but engrish is my flist language |
| 02:40.37 | arafangion | Guerin: Yes, but when I do offtopic, I don't stand back and abuse everybody. |
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| 02:41.13 | sidizen | Guerin: is ubuntu really offtopic since it's a debian derivative? or does it depend on the context with which we are discussing ubuntu? |
| 02:41.24 | arafangion | sidizen: Ubuntu *is* offtopic here. |
| 02:41.26 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 02:41.26 | dpkg | somebody said qotd114 was <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 02:41.30 | vulture | sidizen: debian derived distros have their own channels.. |
| 02:41.31 | Guerin | sidizen: yes. |
| 02:41.37 | sidizen | ok |
| 02:41.41 | sidizen | i know...just asking |
| 02:41.57 | arafangion | sidizen: And it is Debian derived, but it is quite different, very few of the packages are compatible, for instance. |
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| 02:42.31 | arafangion | sidizen: With debian, you can generally mix packages from upstream, and etc. Seriously not recommended, but it can be done. You can't with Ubuntu and Debian. |
| 02:43.13 | sidizen | regardless i like the debian community better :) |
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| 02:43.39 | abrotman | bubu: you have to wait .. you'll be able to speak eventually |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | or run away |
| 02:44.09 | sidizen | abrotman: i think you scared bubu |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | sidizen: bubu was kyrel |
| 02:44.22 | beardy | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:44.27 | arafangion | btw, does oldstable still get security update? |
| 02:44.28 | maatttt | `tar -czf mytar.gz /` is that good enough to backup a aystem ? |
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| 02:44.43 | abrotman | beardy: what a horribly lagged conversation :) |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | kyrel: wait .. you'll be able to speak in a bit |
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| 02:45.06 | abrotman | like now |
| 02:45.11 | kyrel | :( |
| 02:45.20 | sidizen | what happended? why was kyrel banned? |
| 02:45.21 | deadcat | maatttt: try rsync |
| 02:45.33 | arafangion | sidizen: Read the last couple of MB of the chat log. |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | sidizen: he was offtopic .. the entire time he was here .. and demanding help |
| 02:45.40 | beardy | abrotman: well, I didn't understand that he was quiet:ed until now, and, I've had conversations in the speed of one line per day :) (not here though) |
| 02:45.42 | sidizen | oh |
| 02:45.43 | deadcat | sidizen: because i said so |
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| 02:45.46 | arafangion | sidizen: As well as general abuse. |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | beardy: hehe |
| 02:45.51 | sidizen | deadcat: nice |
| 02:45.52 | kyrel | abrotman, i've said : arafangion, I come with all my "sympathie" (friendlyness ???). But abrotman agressed me. I'm bored with that kind of behaviors. Moreove, maybe I don't know how to people *want* to help me because of my bad english. |
| 02:46.18 | kyrel | :( |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | kyrel: i told you numerous times that your question was offtopic and would be better answered in #linux .. |
| 02:46.23 | maatttt | i only need a single instace of a backup, i'll restore soon after. I rally want an image of the system. |
| 02:46.25 | sidizen | what's geexbox? |
| 02:46.37 | Guerin | why is this conversation even still happening? |
| 02:46.37 | deadcat | sidizen: look it up. |
| 02:46.40 | Guerin | christ |
| 02:46.46 | Guerin | get over it, people |
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| 02:47.07 | arafangion | maatttt: tar, and make sure you preserve all permissions. |
| 02:47.07 | kyrel | sidizen, a small multimedia liveCD distribution made to play lot of streals |
| 02:47.11 | lordnazgu | i've been getting a message in console, and dmesg has been logging it in X. x.x.x.x sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 to a broadcast x.x.x.x the source ip is a playstation 2. any ideas anyone? |
| 02:47.20 | deadcat | today i just figured out that pressing / in firefox starts the search. i was ctrl+f before )= |
| 02:47.33 | sidizen | kyrel: i just looked it up :) |
| 02:47.47 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anybody use freenx? i have windows client and linux server, i want to use windows to control linux remotly, can i use freenx in the same session? |
| 02:48.05 | beardy | kyrel: There is nothing horribly wrong with your english, that's not the reason. Please understand that the question you were asking has nothing to do with debian, or this channel. |
| 02:48.18 | kyrel | I'll excuse me a second time, and i'll ask another question... what is a compilation evironnment ? |
| 02:48.29 | arafangion | TraceGreen: freenx is a bit mature, but it is apparently possible to use. I am sorry that it is hard to find support from the community, as few people have had a chance to use it |
| 02:48.42 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Plus, the software is currently difficult to use and relatively undocumented. |
| 02:48.49 | TraceGreen | Actually, i just want to use windows client to control my linux server. vnc is too slow. |
| 02:49.04 | arafangion | TraceGreen: What do you mean "control"? |
| 02:49.06 | sidizen | damn cats |
| 02:49.07 | dondelelcaro | TraceGreen: you'll probably find that most people do their remote work with linux machines using ssh or putty instead... |
| 02:49.09 | TraceGreen | arafangion, thanks, so, except vnc, what else can i use? |
| 02:49.19 | arafangion | TraceGreen: What do you want to do? |
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| 02:49.35 | maatttt | arafangion: thanks, `tar -czpsf mytar.tar /` ? |
| 02:49.38 | TraceGreen | arafangion, like windows remote desktop. |
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| 02:50.09 | arafangion | TraceGreen: What will you do with the linux system? |
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| 02:51.16 | TraceGreen | just like linux run x11vnc, and my windows run vncviewer. |
| 02:51.22 | TraceGreen | but vnc is too slow. |
| 02:51.36 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Of course vnc is too slow if you want to edit full-screen motion graphics. |
| 02:51.55 | maatttt | hmm, but a vanilla install of sarge does include a lot of stuff I do not need, is there anyway to reduce it ? |
| 02:51.55 | arafangion | TraceGreen: What do you want to do with linux? |
| 02:52.11 | arafangion | maatttt: In general, I back out of the installer as soon as I can. |
| 02:52.13 | dondelelcaro | maatttt: just remove the packages that you don't want. |
| 02:52.36 | dondelelcaro | maatttt: or only select the packages that you're interested in by using aptitude. |
| 02:52.43 | TraceGreen | arafangion, do some operation, and must let my friend see what i do. |
| 02:52.56 | TraceGreen | and i should use windows. |
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| 02:54.01 | beardy | TraceGreen: putty is not hard to see, and actually much easier to let your friend see what exactly you do, 'man script' |
| 02:54.02 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Well, vnc could still be useful as there are utilities such as vnc2swf |
| 02:54.21 | kyrel | In fact, I'm really sorry. Don't give me a piece of a solution, I don't mind. I just wanted to excuse me. May be I've drink too much to be like that ? Really sorry. Je vous présente mes excuses, comme les français disent. |
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| 02:55.24 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:55.26 | Guerin | he's drunk |
| 02:55.30 | Guerin | that explains a few things |
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| 02:55.38 | beardy | I guess.. |
| 02:56.05 | arafangion | imho, drunkiness is not a good excuse. |
| 02:56.06 | Innova | explains a lot of things actually |
| 02:56.06 | TraceGreen | beardy, i should use graphics... |
| 02:56.13 | kyrel | No. It don't explain anything. I'm sorry, that's all :s |
| 02:56.16 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Why should you use graphics? |
| 02:56.19 | maatttt | there is a lot of modules in /lib/modules/..../kernel |
| 02:56.29 | Guerin | arafangion: no, but it can be a good REASON |
| 02:56.33 | blockd_ | TraceGreen: I take you mean because the person you're helping wants to use a GUI not the console... |
| 02:56.35 | TraceGreen | arafangion, oh, this is my boss requirements. |
| 02:56.40 | arafangion | Guerin: True |
| 02:56.45 | TraceGreen | blockd_, yeah! |
| 02:56.50 | maatttt | can i list those I actually use ? or remove those I am not ? |
| 02:56.56 | Innova | TraceGreen : can you change bosses :P? |
| 02:57.06 | beardy | TraceGreen: What are you going to do, if you require a gui, and vnc is too slow? |
| 02:57.14 | TraceGreen | Innova, hard, very hard, or i may change my job. |
| 02:57.21 | arafangion | TraceGreen: You could install cygwin, and setup x11 forwarding so that you can disply the gui? |
| 02:57.31 | Innova | TraceGreen : ok, just trying to see what would be the easiest solution |
| 02:57.33 | TraceGreen | arafangion, really? |
| 02:57.34 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Granted, you'll have a severe round-trip penalty, but it works well enough. |
| 02:57.52 | arafangion | TraceGreen: X11 is network *transparent* |
| 02:58.37 | kyrel | How can i say ? All apologizes ? How can I apologize ??? |
| 02:58.42 | jaaro | arafangion: well, I managed to get root@... rewriten to root <correct@address.cz> |
| 02:58.44 | beardy | TraceGreen: There is a cygwin+xll livecd, that works, uses ssh and X11 forwarding, quite nice, I don't remember the link, I'll have a look. |
| 02:58.45 | maatttt | can i delete /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 02:58.45 | Guerin | kyrel: /part |
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| 02:58.50 | Innova | kyrel : by stfu'ing |
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| 02:58.58 | jaaro | arafangion: Can I rewrite the name for it as well? |
| 02:59.04 | TraceGreen | beardy, really? that's very nice! |
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| 02:59.32 | dondelelcaro | maatttt: use apt-clean |
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| 02:59.38 | dondelelcaro | s/apt-clean/apt-get clean/ |
| 02:59.50 | TraceGreen | beardy, and , does it support different LAN?i mean if my boss and i in two different LAN, i think i have to build vpn. |
| 03:00.08 | maatttt | i did but /var/cache/apt/archives is still chockers |
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| 03:00.32 | Innova | TraceGreen : no, you can still do it with X11 forwarding. |
| 03:00.45 | maatttt | oh, sorry, I have the system mounted as a device, not loaded as a system. |
| 03:00.55 | TraceGreen | Innova, really? peer to peer? |
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| 03:01.10 | maatttt | so apt-get clean, works for the loaded system, not the one i want to reduce. |
| 03:01.25 | maatttt | if I manually delete /var/cache/apt/archives, will it be a problem ? |
| 03:01.34 | Innova | TraceGreen : yes, if the individual has an account on the machine, you can forward X through anyone logged in through ssh |
| 03:01.41 | abrocadabro | maattt: yes, hang on a sec |
| 03:01.41 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro |
| 03:01.54 | blockd_ | wouldn't X11 forwarding just make it so the X clients are displayed on TraceGreen's server, not on both his/hers and the boss'? |
| 03:02.00 | dondelelcaro | maatttt: so rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 03:02.01 | beardy | TraceGreen: I'm not sure it will solve your problem, here it is anyway, http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 03:02.01 | blockd_ | unless you'd do something additional... |
| 03:02.26 | abrocadabro | maatttt: don't delete partial folder |
| 03:02.26 | beardy | blockd_: yeah |
| 03:02.39 | maatttt | right, just the debs. cool. |
| 03:02.39 | Innova | no, if the remote client logged in to the machine the X client is then the remote. This is independent of the remote machine. |
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| 03:03.03 | gumby | What's a good bit torrent client that lets me manually set download/upload rates & manage multiple torrents in one app? I used & liked BitComet for winblows... any suggestions? |
| 03:03.09 | Innova | where remote in last sentence == local (cause I'm an idiot) |
| 03:03.12 | gumby | (note: it doesn't need to be in apt,I can compile on my own) |
| 03:03.13 | TraceGreen | beardy, thanks!! I download it and try first. |
| 03:03.14 | beardy | TraceGreen: Is the Remote Desktop fast? You could use X11 forwarding from your box to the linux box, and have your boss looking at your desktop via Remote Desktop, perhaps. |
| 03:03.28 | Innova | Windows Remote Desktop is a slow pile of shit. |
| 03:03.43 | maatttt | no, your wrong, remote desktop is not slow. |
| 03:03.45 | beardy | Probably, it was only a suggestion. |
| 03:03.55 | maatttt | I use it every day, your misleading people. |
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| 03:04.26 | maatttt | MS Remote Desktop is very good, credit where credit is due. |
| 03:04.31 | Innova | maatttt : I use it frequently and have always been frustrated with it. How am I misleading people by offering an opinion? |
| 03:04.43 | arafangion | Who was that postfix questioning dude? |
| 03:05.05 | jmg | maatttt, have you used nx? |
| 03:05.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's windows .. you have to click things :) |
| 03:05.13 | Innova | lol |
| 03:05.21 | jaaro | arafangion: that was me |
| 03:05.23 | blockd_ | ... so you don't need to bear the public shame of using Windows in a Windows lab |
| 03:05.27 | blockd_ | ;) |
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| 03:05.45 | kyrel | Owned i'm, i'm comming back. Please forget my behavior. |
| 03:05.48 | maatttt | I use windows and linux, I love my family not my os. |
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| 03:05.57 | Innova | lol, only time I'm on windows is when I'm logged in to my home machine through cgywim |
| 03:06.00 | beardy | For him and the boss, sitting at two separate boxes, doing things together on a server, using X11 forwarding, I think it's necessary, but I don't know.. |
| 03:06.15 | Lewix | maatttt:lol |
| 03:06.16 | Innova | maattt : I love my debian box and my iBook. I have no family |
| 03:06.18 | arafangion | jaaro: What does: USER='Someone Else' mail newuser do? |
| 03:06.19 | TraceGreen | ok, my boss have a linux box, and he want me to control it, i should use windows. and also, he want to see my operation, this in my question. |
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| 03:06.48 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; in any case, windows machines and the administration or lack thereof is wildly OT here. |
| 03:06.50 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Your boss has a linux machine? |
| 03:06.51 | Innova | TraceGreen : if your boss has a *nix box why are you even bothering with remote desktop etc. etc.? |
| 03:06.51 | blockd_ | anyway, I'm just not sure how X11 forwarding would help here. Say you do "ssh -x boss@bosshost; xterm". Then you'll see the xterm but the boss won't. |
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| 03:07.04 | jaaro | arafangion: I'll try. |
| 03:07.05 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Why not just use ssh and log everything you do? |
| 03:07.11 | beardy | TraceGreen: In that case, vnc, the server that uses the current Xserver, is the only way I know of. |
| 03:07.16 | blockd_ | forget the semi-colon, I just mean you do something after ssh'ing in |
| 03:07.39 | jaaro | USER="..." mail myaddress does nothing interesting. |
| 03:07.48 | TraceGreen | arafangion, this is my boss requirments... |
| 03:07.52 | arafangion | jaaro: All on one line? |
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| 03:08.08 | ice_1963 | lol yah RIGHT :0) |
| 03:08.10 | beardy | TraceGreen: Is this box really debian? |
| 03:08.12 | jaaro | arafangion: yes. Sending via smtp host. |
| 03:08.18 | TraceGreen | yeah. |
| 03:08.24 | beardy | TraceGreen: The boss:s one? |
| 03:08.36 | TraceGreen | beardy, yeah, my boss's box is debian. |
| 03:08.43 | dondelelcaro | so just use two screen -x's. |
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| 03:08.51 | arafangion | TraceGreen: What is it that you have to do? |
| 03:09.01 | ice_1963 | ok yeah |
| 03:09.27 | TraceGreen | arafangion, because my company just have windows pc, so, i should use windows to control my boss's box. |
| 03:09.43 | arafangion | TraceGreen: You're not making sense. |
| 03:09.45 | maatttt | is there any way to clear out the driver that i'm not using ? |
| 03:09.47 | jmg | TraceGreen: vmware |
| 03:09.53 | TraceGreen | arafangion, and at the same time, my boss want to see what i do. |
| 03:09.57 | beardy | jmg: no.. |
| 03:10.11 | jaaro | arafaigion: Do you thing postfix rewrite databases can cope with name:Alias For User <addres@for.user> format? |
| 03:10.12 | arafangion | TraceGreen: Use ssh, and *log* what you do. |
| 03:10.13 | dondelelcaro | maatttt: build your own kernel, and remove the one currently installed. |
| 03:10.22 | TraceGreen | just like my boss run x11vnc in his linux. and i run vncviewer in my windows. |
| 03:10.23 | arafangion | jaaro: I doubt that very much. |
| 03:10.33 | beardy | TraceGreen: If you have to toit graphically, vnc is what you have to use, for your actions to be visible toyour boss, on his computer. |
| 03:10.37 | arafangion | jaaro: Infact, the User field is completely out of hte scope of address rewriting. |
| 03:10.38 | beardy | to do it |
| 03:10.40 | Innova | TraceGreen : this is the craziest thing I've ever heard of. Do you need to implant each other with microchips in your brains as well so you'll know when each other takes a piss? |
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| 03:11.17 | jmg | TraceGreen: is this some kind of gay sex ritual? |
| 03:11.27 | beardy | abrotman: heh |
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| 03:11.32 | jaaro | arafangion: So the mail is probably involved and should be manipulated. |
| 03:11.53 | Kluster_v2 | TraceGreen, just vnc on his freakin computer, no matter if you're on a nix box or a doze box |
| 03:12.00 | arafangion | jaaro: The email itself, yes. |
| 03:12.00 | rawtek | I am looking for a good wireless signal strength applet other than "gnome-network tools and kwifimanager. Any ideas |
| 03:12.14 | arafangion | Kluster_v2: vnc is apparently too slow (Which it is) |
| 03:12.32 | Innova | if you're on the same subnet it may be enough |
| 03:12.40 | Kluster_v2 | arafangion, if it is WHY IS HE USING IT FROM HIX NIX TO YOUR WIN ? |
| 03:12.46 | beardy | arafangion: He haven't said what he wants to show his boss.. |
| 03:12.54 | TraceGreen | beardy, so, can i just use vnc? so, can i use freenx? because i ever try to use freenx, but my boss and i can't use the same session. |
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| 03:13.11 | arafangion | TraceGreen: DAMN, you haven't even tried vnc? |
| 03:13.13 | jaaro | arafangion: what about modifying corresponding fields in /etc/passwd? |
| 03:13.27 | TraceGreen | arafangion, i tried. too slow. |
| 03:13.37 | arafangion | jaaro: No, it's entirely in the email client. |
| 03:13.42 | Innova | Trace : why do you need to do this? |
| 03:13.55 | arafangion | jaaro: The email client can put nearly anything it likes in there, the only thing that postfix cares about is the address. |
| 03:14.02 | Kluster_v2 | TraceGreen, Then use SSH, video tape your progress then send him a vhs copy |
| 03:14.04 | maatttt | is there a util which will show me what my bios thinks in the geometry of my drives ? |
| 03:14.13 | Innova | lmao @ Kluster |
| 03:14.13 | joomlastarter | !d |
| 03:14.13 | dpkg | it has been said that d is uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet, or not a substitute for "the". |
| 03:14.22 | TraceGreen | Kluster_v2, good idea.... |
| 03:14.28 | Innova | use a beta tape instead....just for shits and giggles |
| 03:14.29 | Lewix | i have 80go, how do you advise me to split my hd for linux and windows |
| 03:14.34 | beardy | Yeah, since sending a script(1) textfile is somuch easier.. |
| 03:14.38 | jaaro | aro: In fact it works :)() |
| 03:14.45 | blockd_ | As I understand it, he wants to do the MS Windows equivilent of Remote Assistance |
| 03:14.52 | beardy | Or, it'd already be on the boss's box.. :) |
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| 03:14.57 | blockd_ | or Linux equiv I mean... |
| 03:14.59 | jaaro | arafangion: In fact it works. |
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| 03:15.04 | arafangion | Lewix: 20 Gig for windows, 20 gig for linux, and 40 gig for /home |
| 03:15.04 | joomlastarter | hi, kann hier jemand deutsch sprechen? |
| 03:15.07 | Kluster_v2 | TraceGreen, but seroiusly like the other said (too lazy to scroll back to see who it is), just log everything you type in ssh and send him a copy |
| 03:15.14 | jaaro | arafangion: mail prg seems to extract name out of the /etc/passwd |
| 03:15.18 | beardy | !de |
| 03:15.18 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 03:15.30 | TraceGreen | blockd_, you are right. |
| 03:15.41 | arafangion | jaaro: The man page for 'mail' here suggests that it takes name out of the environment variable USER |
| 03:15.43 | zorton | i'm having trouble with apt-proxy not saving copies of debs my clients are getting, has anyone run into this before? |
| 03:16.20 | jmg | zorton: im having problems with apt-proxy in general |
| 03:16.33 | jmg | zorton: doesnt play nice with d-i, lots of errors |
| 03:16.35 | zorton | jmg: well i've got it working, mostly :) |
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| 03:17.09 | Bent | i killed my xserver HELP |
| 03:17.15 | jmg | zorton: im connecting to an apt-proxy from clients booting into d-i from pxelinux, and i always get errors |
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| 03:17.30 | jmg | Bent: 111, police, i would like to confess a murder |
| 03:17.32 | zorton | jmg: doing the same here, using fai |
| 03:17.38 | jaaro | arafangion: That's interesting. for my $USER variables is equal to username. However mail addres is rewritten and originates from someName <address> where someName can be found in /etc/passwd |
| 03:17.46 | jaaro | as the first informational field |
| 03:17.52 | jmg | zorton: i'm using preseeds, is fai better? |
| 03:18.15 | zorton | jmg: having heard of preseeds so I don't know, do you have a link regarding it? |
| 03:18.27 | zorton | jmg: fai seems to make things easier |
| 03:18.46 | Bent | i messed up my XFree86 config file bad now its F___ |
| 03:19.10 | Innova | Bent dpkg -reconfigure |
| 03:19.17 | Bent | i did that |
| 03:19.20 | jmg | zorton: preseed files for the debian installer http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s07.html |
| 03:19.31 | Bent | do i have to install it after |
| 03:19.32 | Bent | ? |
| 03:19.35 | zorton | jmg: taking al ook |
| 03:20.10 | Innova | you shouldn't have to |
| 03:20.13 | clinton | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:20.27 | Bent | Innova, i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:20.43 | Innova | Bent: did you restart x after that? |
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| 03:20.59 | Bent | i rebooted the machine |
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| 03:21.13 | Innova | Bent : that would do it ;) |
| 03:21.23 | Bent | it didnt |
| 03:21.24 | Innova | Error log? |
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| 03:21.42 | clinton | Bent: dmesg |
| 03:21.56 | Bent | ok ill go look at dmesg |
| 03:21.59 | Bent | brb |
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| 03:24.27 | Inssomniak | hi all, if I was a debian user, and wanted to start up a few things at boot, where would I put those commands? |
| 03:24.29 | blockd_ | Bent: you might also look in /var/log/XFree86* |
| 03:24.54 | A3K | Well... I am beginning to reach frustration trying to build a kernel module |
| 03:25.10 | abrotman | Inssomniak: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 03:25.55 | clinton | A3K: Install kernel headers |
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| 03:26.53 | A3K | clinton: that is just it, I am a newbie and every step I take is for the first time. Installing kernel headers for you is like washing your hands. I don't know where to begin |
| 03:27.16 | clinton | A3K: sorry |
| 03:27.22 | A3K | I figured out how to use vi to edit my xfconfig-4 and get my gfx card working |
| 03:27.36 | A3K | and I have the hang of apt-get |
| 03:27.54 | A3K | no prob clinton, I was not meaning to sound angry |
| 03:28.02 | Inssomniak | abrotman, this is a very cut down debian live CD, it doesnt even have a readme in that dir :( |
| 03:28.07 | A3K | there is a learning curve and I am behind it |
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| 03:28.43 | abrotman | Inssomniak: debian doesn't have a liveCD |
| 03:28.44 | beardy | A3K: Sounds like you're doing ok. |
| 03:28.57 | Inssomniak | abrotman, hehe this is some custom CD |
| 03:29.03 | Inssomniak | based on debian |
| 03:29.30 | Inssomniak | and its automatically starting a program when it boots, just trying to kill off the starting of this script |
| 03:29.32 | A3K | beardy: I feel good about what I have accomplished |
| 03:29.39 | A3K | I have a working laptop |
| 03:29.48 | A3K | but I really need my wireless for school |
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| 03:30.17 | abrotman | Inssomniak: this is #debian .. |
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| 03:30.52 | beardy | A3K: And you have to build the module, you have checked that it's not already available? |
| 03:31.02 | mfrisch | What package is qmake in?? |
| 03:31.05 | A3K | not that I can find |
| 03:31.20 | beardy | mfrisch: /msg dpkg search |
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| 03:31.31 | beardy | !find qmake |
| 03:31.39 | A3K | there are some binaries for 2.4.x but they are really old |
| 03:31.52 | A3K | the acx100 chipset has been around a while. |
| 03:31.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qmake' (3 of 6): (/usr/share/qt3/.qmake.cache) in libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/bin/qmake-qt4, /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake) in libdevel/libqt4-dev ;; (/usr/bin/qmake-qt3, /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/sco-cc/qmake.conf) in devel/qt3-dev-tools. |
| 03:32.52 | abrotman | !tell mfrisch about search |
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| 03:33.20 | beardy | A3K: It's nothing wrong in running a 2.4 kernel, if everything else in your laptop works with it. |
| 03:33.23 | A3K | when I go through the steps that are described on the website, I am missing the kernel source. I dloaded the kernel to obtain the source but I am lost |
| 03:33.31 | A3K | it does not though |
| 03:33.36 | A3K | my sound would not function |
| 03:33.37 | beardy | A3K: Ok. |
| 03:33.49 | beardy | A3K: Then you are doing the right thing. |
| 03:34.50 | A3K | I have the 2.6.8.x kernel tar.gz and I unpacked it and put it in the path but that was not right |
| 03:35.12 | beardy | !module-assistant |
| 03:35.12 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 03:35.43 | beardy | A3K: Are you running a debian stick kernel? You have to use the source package, of the same version, not kernel.org sources. |
| 03:35.47 | beardy | stock |
| 03:36.02 | abrotman | beardy: your keyboard is all kinds of broken :) |
| 03:36.12 | beardy | abrotman: No, just me.. |
| 03:36.32 | abrotman | !fix beardy |
| 03:36.58 | A3K | beardy: I am using the kernel that apt-get got |
| 03:37.00 | beardy | heh.. |
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| 03:37.36 | beardy | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 03:37.51 | abrotman | ow |
| 03:37.56 | A3K | s /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/version.h returns no such file or directory |
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| 03:38.34 | A3K | I need it to say /lib/modules/2.6.8/build/include/linux/version.h |
| 03:38.35 | dabaR | why would a drive be shown as busy, and not shown in sudo mount? |
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| 03:39.40 | dabaR | busy when I try to mount it. |
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| 03:40.53 | A3K | there is no build directory in that tree |
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| 03:41.49 | A3K | I am running kernel 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:41.51 | liable | A3K: you need kernel headers. |
| 03:42.05 | maatttt | i'm being thick today, how do i create a new fs on a new partition ? |
| 03:42.06 | A3K | ok |
| 03:42.19 | beardy | A3K: Hmm, is that howto for another distro? and probably what liable said |
| 03:42.27 | A3K | sorry to be so newbie, but I dont know how to get them |
| 03:42.33 | liable | A3K: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:42.58 | liable | A3K: and you prolly want to install build-essential too.. |
| 03:43.50 | A3K | getting them |
| 03:44.37 | A3K | this how-to is *nearly* distribution neutral |
| 03:45.16 | A3K | got the headers and build-essential |
| 03:45.25 | Bent | i get a fatal server error |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | beardy: why don't you ever sleep ? |
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| 03:45.43 | Bent | is there any way to reinstall x |
| 03:45.53 | A3K | If he is like me, his beard itches and keeps him awake |
| 03:46.20 | A3K | ;) |
| 03:46.28 | blockd | dabaR: what tells you it's busy? |
| 03:46.30 | A3K | small joke |
| 03:46.34 | A3K | ....very small |
| 03:46.37 | beardy | :) |
| 03:46.40 | blockd | dabaR: HD light... noise...? |
| 03:47.07 | A3K | well... like so many things I have apt-geted, I don't know what to do with it |
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| 03:47.27 | liable | A3K: you dont need to do anything, just try and compile now. |
| 03:47.32 | abrotman | bah .. my dreams .. crushed! |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | why god why!!?!?!?! |
| 03:47.56 | beardy | what dreams? |
| 03:48.00 | blockd | dabaR: from lack of info I could only think of umount or fsck etc saying it's mounted... |
| 03:48.26 | abrotman | i thought they were going to re-release Phantasy star on the PS2 .. apparently they decided not to |
| 03:48.36 | dabaR | if I umount, it says not mounted. if I mount, it says busy. |
| 03:48.37 | beardy | abrotman: I do, not always when I'm suppose too but.. You're almost always here too :) |
| 03:48.45 | dabaR | blockd: ^ |
| 03:48.52 | kadigibox | Does anyone know why Firefox all the sudden uses up a whole load of resources? I don't think 90% of my cpu is normal for firefox when your just brousing pictures |
| 03:48.54 | raden1 | is there a printer out there that i wont waste the first 2" of paper every time i print ? |
| 03:48.59 | abrotman | beardy: i am ?! |
| 03:49.05 | blockd | dabaR: what do /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab say? |
| 03:49.15 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah, aren't you? Look at the stats :) |
| 03:49.24 | abrotman | what stats ? |
| 03:49.44 | beardy | !debstats |
| 03:49.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 03:50.01 | beardy | (At least it looked that way last time I looked) |
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| 03:50.59 | abrotman | beardy: you're a close 26th! |
| 03:51.17 | dabaR | blockd: thanks, I figured it out. |
| 03:51.23 | richard_ | hi everyone, I've just installed sarge on a inspiron 1200 dell laptop, wondering where I can get some meaningful specs on configuring correctly.. like figuring out what hardware driver to install and such |
| 03:51.32 | Diggity | does anyone have a reliable repositry for the latest KDE release? |
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| 03:51.50 | liable | richard_: tuxmobil.org |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | Diggity: #debian-kde |
| 03:52.06 | Gnea | !laptops |
| 03:52.06 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 03:52.08 | blockd | dabaR: so what was it? |
| 03:52.11 | Diggity | abrotman - cheers! |
| 03:52.34 | abrotman | Gnea: what happened to enlightenment.org ? |
| 03:53.09 | beardy | abrotman: yeah, I was 12 some time ago IIRC.. |
| 03:53.09 | Gnea | abrotman: i don't run it, why? |
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| 03:53.10 | beardy | 12th |
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| 03:53.10 | abrotman | beardy: most people get older .. you'll adjust |
| 03:53.16 | abrotman | Gnea: it's uhm .. gone :) |
| 03:53.18 | beardy | abrotman: you know what I mean.. |
| 03:53.24 | richard_ | thanks guys for the link, going to check it out now, think I can see it with a text only browser? ;) |
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| 03:53.54 | dabaR | blockd: I dont know, I did mount -a and it mounted as before. |
| 03:54.10 | Gnea | abrotman: you are, uh, correct |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | Gnea: what .. you think i'm a liar ? |
| 03:54.30 | richard_ | i did lspci and it returned a vga controller by intel.. mobile controller or something |
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| 03:54.44 | Gnea | abrotman: http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:54.50 | dabaR | blockd: well, in fact, I am full of shit, it was not my issue, I just did not want to say it, pah. the guy left. |
| 03:54.55 | Wyzard | richard_: That's probably an i810 |
| 03:55.04 | Daveman | :\ |
| 03:55.07 | richard_ | so what should I put for driver in my xf86config file..? i had vesa as the driver, should I try like ati or something? |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | Gnea: guess they let it expire .. whoops :) |
| 03:55.13 | Gnea | abrotman: well, when it comes to dns and sites being down, it helps to make sure :) |
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| 03:55.23 | Gnea | abrotman: naw looks like an easydns issue |
| 03:55.32 | abrotman | Gnea: and here .. i thought they were preparing for release :) |
| 03:55.33 | blockd | dabaR: I *think* I've seen that if you eject the media without umounting it first... but anyway |
| 03:55.35 | Gnea | Expiration Date:08-Nov-2006 05:00:00 UTC |
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| 03:55.43 | Wyzard | richard_: If it is indeed an i810, the driver is called "i810" |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: you missed another lehigh bum :) |
| 03:55.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: hehe |
| 03:55.55 | Daveman | o.O |
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| 03:56.10 | dabaR | blockd: it is an HD. |
| 03:56.17 | blockd | dabaR: hm... |
| 03:56.18 | dabaR | sdb1 |
| 03:56.28 | dabaR | but we cant figure it out now, cause he left. |
| 03:56.47 | richard_ | beautiful, thanks Wyzard. like that it will be easier to use mozilla instead of www-browser |
| 03:57.05 | Gnea | abrotman: i wonder if mandrake is having some smack laid down upon him for not providing real registration information :) |
| 03:57.21 | blockd | dabaR: oh well :/ Some people want instant answers and give you practically zilch to go on. |
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| 03:57.29 | abrotman | Gnea: depends on the registrar used |
| 03:57.42 | Gnea | abrotman: you know, it's a crime to provide bogus contact information, no matter what registrar, to a domain name |
| 03:57.50 | kyrel | Like the team rocket or terminator, i'm comming back |
| 03:58.02 | Guerin | it's a crime to jaywalk |
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| 03:58.16 | Gnea | and in some place, they give tickets for it |
| 03:58.18 | leaf__ | can anyone help me |
| 03:58.19 | diana | I installed w32codecs and mozilla-mplayer the mplayer plugin works fine for firefox...except some websites have binary codecs(ones included in the w32codecs package) how can I have mozilla-mplayer/firefox use w32codecs? |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | Gnea: oh ..i thought it was just netsol that cared |
| 03:58.25 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 03:58.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:58.27 | Guerin | Gnea: and I suppose some registrars give a fuck |
| 03:58.31 | dabaR | blockd: he was pretty good, not sure why he left, he thought we were stuck, I guess. |
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| 03:58.32 | blockd | whether or not it's a crime, they'll probably freeze your account |
| 03:58.35 | leaf__ | ok |
| 03:58.41 | Guerin | blockd: bah |
| 03:58.47 | Guerin | blockd: you're very optimistic |
| 03:58.48 | leaf__ | i can not get above 800x600 res |
| 03:59.00 | blockd | well... not me.. but I know somebody who used obviously bogus info and that's what they did |
| 03:59.00 | Gnea | abrotman: when the feds are knocking on their door, what do you think? |
| 03:59.00 | leaf__ | i am using an nvidia card |
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| 03:59.14 | Gnea | !nvidia |
| 03:59.14 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 03:59.23 | blockd | they suspect the CC might be stolen or worse |
| 03:59.30 | leaf__ | yes nvidia installer |
| 03:59.30 | abrotman | Gnea: dunno .. hard to find 4278 Hopping Through Forest Lane ... |
| 03:59.33 | Guerin | blockd: if that were common, sites like http://rfc-ignorant.org/ wouldn't exist |
| 03:59.34 | richard_ | well off to try what I learned, thanks guys. tell them, thanks for the link to tuxmobil.org |
| 03:59.43 | raden1 | is there a way to reset the margins for a prnter soo it uses all the paper |
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| 03:59.54 | Guerin | raden1: there's a way to do anything |
| 03:59.58 | leaf__ | i did the sh |
| 04:00.04 | leaf__ | nvieda is on |
| 04:00.04 | sorcre | Can someone please help me enable 3d acceleraion on my 6600GT? I realise this isn't for ubuntu, but the ubuntu IRC room is useless |
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| 04:00.15 | leaf__ | but cannot get about 800x600 |
| 04:00.22 | blockd | I don't know how useful it is, but some registrars will charge extra to proxy your contact info |
| 04:00.25 | raden1 | abrotman, thats the same thing i said |
| 04:00.30 | Guerin | sorcre: #nvidia |
| 04:00.30 | Wyzard | leaf__: Again, "DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer!" |
| 04:00.32 | Gnea | abrotman: in the Imaginary city of Toronto? |
| 04:00.34 | blockd | like godaddy, so I wouldn't think that's too shady |
| 04:00.41 | Wyzard | leaf__: That was the shell script you ran... |
| 04:00.44 | sorcre | guerin: everyone is away |
| 04:00.50 | leaf__ | did the dpkg-reconfig xserver xf86config |
| 04:00.53 | cheal | !tell sorcre about they don't know |
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| 04:01.09 | Guerin | sorcre: install debian, then we can help you |
| 04:01.15 | Gnea | leaf__: you used the debian nvidia installer or the .run installer? |
| 04:01.17 | leaf__ | still cannot get about 800x600 |
| 04:01.27 | leaf__ | yes |
| 04:01.32 | Gnea | *OR* |
| 04:01.34 | leaf__ | .run |
| 04:01.35 | Gnea | learn how to read |
| 04:01.39 | cheal | Gnea: no |
| 04:01.39 | Gnea | then you did it wrong. |
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| 04:02.00 | Gnea | cheal: on |
| 04:02.08 | cheal | !confuse Gnea |
| 04:02.09 | dpkg | No, who was my ferret tomorrow, Gnea? pants of the people's republic of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 04:02.16 | Gnea | !tell leaf__ about nvidia installer |
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| 04:02.31 | abrotman | Gnea: noone lives there |
| 04:02.55 | Gnea | cheal: extra anchovies, please |
| 04:02.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:03.00 | Wyzard | My father went there about a year and a half ago |
| 04:03.06 | Guerin | anchovies++ |
| 04:03.14 | cheal | Gnea: hehe |
| 04:03.27 | Gnea | cheal: good try though :) |
| 04:03.33 | cheal | Wyzard: wow. did you mean he came back? |
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| 04:03.44 | Wyzard | lol, yes, he came back |
| 04:03.54 | dabaR | Does someone have a .rul file for ipmasq to allow for dhcp, so I do not have to stop it everytime I chare my connection? |
| 04:04.14 | Wyzard | dabaR: Use a firewall package such as FireHOL or Shorewall rather than writing iptables rules manually |
| 04:04.27 | Gnea | firehol SUCKS |
| 04:04.27 | leaf__ | ok |
| 04:04.35 | leaf__ | thx |
| 04:04.36 | Wyzard | Gnea: It works nicely for me |
| 04:04.36 | Gnea | worst firewall package ever. |
| 04:04.42 | Gnea | and you can't convince me otherwise. :) |
| 04:04.46 | liable | whats the other? monowall? |
| 04:04.57 | Wyzard | Gnea: Well, I won't try to reason with an unreasonable person :-) |
| 04:05.10 | Gnea | Wyzard: how unresonable :P |
| 04:05.22 | Wyzard | but I like FireHOL for its succintness of configuration |
| 04:05.31 | Guerin | i found firehol to be harder than iptables on its own |
| 04:05.42 | Guerin | the default rulesets are too complex |
| 04:05.47 | dabaR | Wyzard: so, I run the ipmasq, and the dnsmasq as so far, but I install that new package, and use it to set up a rule? |
| 04:05.49 | Gnea | i found the configuration to be so aweful and impossibly illogical |
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| 04:06.10 | Wyzard | What's impossibly illogical about listing which services you want to allow, by name? |
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| 04:07.10 | Guerin | the trouble i found was that when I defined my own services, they didn't work |
| 04:07.25 | A3K | what is iwconfig? |
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| 04:07.49 | dabaR | wireless interfaces configuration program, use: whatis iwconfig in a terminal to find out. |
| 04:07.50 | liable | A3K: install wireless-tools, then man iwconfig |
| 04:07.54 | Wyzard | Do you mean simple services using the "custom" keyword, or complex services which require writing new shell functions? |
| 04:08.00 | Gnea | the syntax is absolutely horrible. you can specify by name with iptables by default anyway |
| 04:08.01 | A3K | thanks |
| 04:08.11 | Gnea | iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport www -j ACCEPT <-- that will work. |
| 04:08.31 | blockd | nix the -m tcp... no? |
| 04:08.34 | Wyzard | Writing "server ssh accept" when I want to allow incoming connections to my sshd is absolutely not horrible |
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| 04:08.39 | Nezzari | Can someone help me for a sec? I have the Debian AMD64 netinstall. Everything works well until I have to install additional software. It says I'm missing some dependencies |
| 04:08.46 | leaf__ | ok sorry |
| 04:08.46 | Gnea | blockd: i get nitty-gritty :) |
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| 04:08.57 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 04:08.57 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 04:08.59 | leaf__ | what was that nvida-howto again |
| 04:09.04 | Wyzard | Gnea: "iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport www -j ACCEPT" is less horrible than "server http accept" ? :-P |
| 04:09.10 | Gnea | !nvidia howto |
| 04:09.10 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 04:09.30 | leaf__ | !nvidia howto |
| 04:09.30 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 04:09.38 | Gnea | Wyzard: 'http' is not a recognized protocol specified in /etc/services |
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| 04:10.07 | Nezzari | thanks |
| 04:10.08 | Wyzard | Gnea: It's a name that FireHOL knows about |
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| 04:10.29 | Gnea | Wyzard: and is thus propietary. |
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| 04:10.59 | Gnea | hello, reinvent the wheel? |
| 04:11.12 | abrotman | g++ wheel.cpp -o wheel |
| 04:11.15 | Wyzard | umm... it's not "reinventing" anything |
| 04:11.18 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 04:11.20 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:11.36 | deadcat | wireless + bridging anyone? |
| 04:11.44 | Guerin | firehol would have been great if I could have gotten it to work |
| 04:11.52 | Guerin | i think the concept is fine and the syntax is good |
| 04:11.53 | Wyzard | I'm amazed that you're saying FireHOL sucks because it calls port 80 "http" rather than "www" |
| 04:12.09 | Gnea | Wyzard: that was just an example. |
| 04:12.12 | Guerin | it's just that learning how it works is just as hard as learning iptables |
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| 04:12.18 | Natman | deadcat: bridging between a wireless card in client mode and wired? |
| 04:12.30 | Guerin | most people probably don't ever need to customise everything, so I suppose for them it's fine |
| 04:12.37 | Gnea | Wyzard: now see, Guerin explains it intelligently. :) |
| 04:12.37 | deadcat | Natman: eth0 is for my other machine. so wlan0 is to router |
| 04:12.55 | Natman | right, but wlan0 is a client, and the router is an AP? |
| 04:12.56 | Ace | anyone know how i can do a netinst with a wireless nic not detected by the kernel? |
| 04:13.00 | deadcat | Natman: i get ip from router but cant do anything else. |
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| 04:13.09 | deadcat | Natman: ya. wlan0 is client |
| 04:13.20 | dabaR | Wyzard: is that firehol going to set up a rule for ipmasq? |
| 04:13.21 | Wyzard | Guerin: http://pastebin.com/435054 |
| 04:13.28 | Gnea | Ace: cat5 |
| 04:13.35 | Natman | deadcat: 'cause u can't do an ethernet bridge then... most cards won't allow it. Gotta use routing or NAT. |
| 04:13.36 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'll bet anyone who knows anything at all about networking would understand what that means |
| 04:13.55 | Ace | •Gnea• it wont detect my cat5 nic either |
| 04:14.04 | Wyzard | dabaR: It generates iptables rules from a policy that you specify -- see the link I just mentioned |
| 04:14.06 | deadcat | Natman: that suck. currently i am using nat. but diff network |
| 04:14.13 | dabaR | Wyzard: I am looking. |
| 04:14.22 | deadcat | Natman: let me try 2 wlan0 card then. |
| 04:14.27 | Natman | deadcat: Yeah... I think they do that 'cause then yuo'd just act like an AP |
| 04:14.34 | Gnea | Ace: with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:14.37 | dabaR | Wyzard: what file is that, should I just man firehol after installing, it will tell me? |
| 04:14.48 | Natman | deadcat: I doubt that's possible... it's all because your card will only send out from _your_ MAC address. |
| 04:14.48 | Wyzard | dabaR: It's /etc/firehol/firehol.conf |
| 04:14.54 | liable | deadcat: why not plug it into the router? :) |
| 04:15.02 | Guerin | Wyzard: sure |
| 04:15.10 | Wyzard | dabaR: http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ has documentation and a reference for what service names are recognized |
| 04:15.11 | deadcat | liable: router is upstair. |
| 04:15.22 | Ace | gnea, a 2.6 kernel.... and it is an nforce nic... i dont understand why it does not work.... i can detect it on a ubuntu install... but ubuntu is too damn unstable |
| 04:15.33 | Guerin | Wyzard: fwiw, i had trouble with passive ftp, x and my custom bittorrent rule, much like yours |
| 04:15.42 | Gnea | Ace: hrm, forcedeth? |
| 04:15.50 | Guerin | Wyzard: despite having client all accept, it wouldn't let those through |
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| 04:15.51 | Wyzard | Guerin: There's a "custom service" line there, too -- I use port 11235 for transferring chunks of data between hosts on my LAN via tar+netcat |
| 04:15.52 | dabaR | Wyzard: I mean, looking at that, it seems like, server dhcp accept will do it... |
| 04:16.01 | Ace | •Gnea• forcedeath? |
| 04:16.09 | Wyzard | Guerin: and bittorrent works for me... the ports have to be configured on the router too, of course |
| 04:16.14 | Gnea | Ace: no, forcedeth - forcedeth.ko |
| 04:16.29 | Wyzard | dabaR: If you're running a DHCP server, then yes |
| 04:16.30 | Gnea | Ace: it's a module for certain nforce nics |
| 04:16.35 | Guerin | Wyzard: obviously |
| 04:16.50 | Wyzard | dabaR: If you're trying to get an address *from* a DHCP server, you want "client dhcp accept" -- but that's covered in my case by "client all accept" |
| 04:16.55 | deadcat | Natman: wait. not allow sounds wrong.. |
| 04:17.15 | Ace | •Gnea• ok, should i put it on and during the install call to forcedeth.ko for booting options in the install? |
| 04:17.44 | dabaR | Wyzard: I am running dnsmasq, and ipmasq on the computer I am installing firehol on. When I connect the other computer to get an IP addressfrom dnsmasq, I have to stop ipmasq, then restart it for it to do packet forwarding. |
| 04:17.50 | Wyzard | Guerin: I don't think I've tried passive FTP, though -- I have ip_conntrack_ftp on my router and non-passive works just fine |
| 04:17.54 | dabaR | dnsmasq is a dhcp server... |
| 04:18.07 | Gnea | Ace: well if you're booting linux26 then it should automatically find it - OTOH you may want to reboot into ubuntu and lsmod just to see what module it's using, perhaps it's not even included with the installation modules |
| 04:18.27 | dabaR | Wyzard: so I think I want the server part. Anyhow, off to test. |
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| 04:18.33 | Wyzard | dabaR: You shouldn't use firehol and ipmasq at the same time... they both do the same thing, generating an iptables firewall from a policy configuration |
| 04:18.38 | liable | deadcat: got an atheros card? the new madwifi drivers are starting to do ap's and bridging shit. |
| 04:18.49 | cheal | Ace: what exactly is the NIC? |
| 04:18.53 | Wyzard | dabaR: I'm sure it's possible to configure ipmasq to allow the DHCP traffic, but I've never used it myself so I can't tell you how |
| 04:18.57 | Ace | •Gnea• my ubuntu instakk is no longer bootable :( |
| 04:19.02 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 04:19.02 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 04:19.05 | dabaR | Wyzard: I know it is possible. thanks. |
| 04:19.09 | deadcat | liable: no. i have zd1211 cards they are about to do ap mode.. some got it to work already. |
| 04:19.09 | Ace | •cheal• it is an nforce3 chipset nic |
| 04:19.24 | Guerin | Ace: make your irc client be less stupid |
| 04:19.42 | liable | deadcat: cool. |
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| 04:19.54 | dabaR | Wyzard: so... does the firehol do packet forwarding at all? |
| 04:19.56 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete Guerin |
| 04:19.57 | Ace | •Guerin• what is it doing? |
| 04:20.00 | dpkg | /°¤> Guerin <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 04:20.07 | Wyzard | dabaR: yes, it can be used for that... I use it on my router |
| 04:20.16 | Guerin | Ace: a variation on dpkg's reply ^ |
| 04:20.24 | deadcat | liable: for now i just want to use wlan0+eth0, so i can see if my second computer can use the eth port to get an ip. |
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| 04:20.47 | dabaR | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.52 | Ace | guerin, is it better with a comma? |
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| 04:20.58 | Wyzard | dabaR: dpkg is a bot |
| 04:21.00 | dabaR | i know. |
| 04:21.26 | liable | Ace: yes. |
| 04:21.28 | kyrel | Can you help me : I need to compile a new linux system. This new system main package is MPlayer, that i need to build with the svga mode. I've installed the SVGAlib-dev, and tested to compile MPlayer. it works. But, when i'm compiling my new linux, an error occurs while MPlayer build proceed. The error means that the SVGAlib is not found. On a forum they say I need to add SVGAlib to the new distro's compilation environnement. What does that mean |
| 04:21.30 | kyrel | ? |
| 04:21.31 | Guerin | Ace: much, thanks. |
| 04:22.01 | Ace | anyone think NDISWrapper is what messed up the ubuntu install? |
| 04:22.09 | abrotman | !ops please ban kyrel |
| 04:22.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban kyrel |
| 04:22.13 | Wyzard | kyrel: There's an unofficial mplayer package available for Debian which I believe supports svga |
| 04:22.16 | cheal | Ace: ok, I use an nforce2's integrated NIC, which works automatically |
| 04:22.25 | beardy | wow, he really thought about that one at least :) |
| 04:22.30 | dabaR | haha, ace. |
| 04:22.35 | Ace | lol |
| 04:22.41 | dabaR | !lose ace |
| 04:22.41 | Ace | i think it did |
| 04:22.42 | dpkg | ace: You Lose. |
| 04:22.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's not asking about debian |
| 04:22.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's already been +q once ... |
| 04:23.11 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:23.20 | kyrel | Wyzard, yes but how I can add it to my distribution ? |
| 04:23.26 | abrotman | kyrel: ask #linux |
| 04:23.26 | deadcat | Wyzard: you have bridging experience? |
| 04:23.28 | cheal | Ace: anyone can't help with your ubuntu question |
| 04:23.40 | dabaR | heh |
| 04:23.47 | abrotman | kyrel: your question is offtopic in #debian .. please go to #linux |
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| 04:23.58 | deadcat | ^^ fight to the death |
| 04:24.01 | Wyzard | kyrel: If your distribution isn't Debian, then this isn't the place to be asking about it |
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| 04:24.14 | Wyzard | deadcat: Ethernet bridging? Yes, I've done it. |
| 04:24.15 | roby | Why is this apt sources entry not valid? deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main |
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| 04:24.34 | deadcat | Wyzard: ethernet and wireless (client), i want my second computer to use the ethernet port. |
| 04:24.41 | bucky | roby there are no security updates for unstable |
| 04:24.43 | dabaR | it has a space at the wrong spot |
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| 04:25.06 | roby | bucky: i thought unstable gets the security updates first before they even go to testing no? |
| 04:25.40 | Wyzard | deadcat: "apt-get install bridge-utils" and read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 04:25.41 | bucky | nope |
| 04:26.04 | Wyzard | deadcat: Basically you'll be making an interface called "br0" in your /etc/network/interfaces file, which consists of your eth0 and wlan0 together |
| 04:26.07 | deadcat | Wyzard: i did |
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| 04:26.31 | deadcat | Wyzard: i even got the ip from the access point. but just cant ping or any network activity |
| 04:26.46 | Wyzard | deadcat: Do you have a firewall in place? |
| 04:26.50 | kyrel | abrotman, be pleased, i know i'm offtopic, and i'm really sorry about that. On #linux, or #linux-fr, #debian-fr, #ubuntu, #ubuntu-fr... anyone awnser me. I really need help, so i'm trying to find some help here. |
| 04:26.54 | deadcat | Wyzard: nope. |
| 04:27.03 | abrotman | kyrel: if you know you're offtopic .. go away |
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| 04:27.20 | Ace | cheal, do you think that when i did an update on NDISWrapper it messed the install up? |
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| 04:27.27 | abrotman | kyrel: try efnet or oftc .. this is NOT the channel for you .. we've been over this and dondelelcaro also told you that |
| 04:27.29 | deadcat | Wyzard: wait. if the machine that has the br0 device. can this machine ping? or it cant do anything? |
| 04:27.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: The machine doing the bridging can use the network as usual |
| 04:28.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: then it has problem |
| 04:28.36 | Wyzard | deadcat: Are you sure both interfaces work properly when they aren't bridged together? |
| 04:29.02 | Ace | if you bridge two connections dows that give you double the bandwidth for a downlaod? |
| 04:29.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: and run "iptables -L" to make really sure you don't have a firewall that you were unaware of |
| 04:29.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. i am using the wlan0 device along right now |
| 04:29.15 | abrotman | no .. that's called channel bonding |
| 04:29.17 | Wyzard | Ace: No, that's bonding |
| 04:29.34 | kyrel | abrotman, in fact, i come here because I know debian users are quiet well experimented. More than Mandrake ones, i think. For last, do you know a linux devel chan ? |
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| 04:29.46 | dabaR | hehe |
| 04:29.47 | abrotman | kyrel: go to #linux |
| 04:29.48 | Wyzard | Ace: Bridging is using multiple network cards in your computer as if they were ports on an ethernet switch |
| 04:30.06 | namasac | hola |
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| 04:30.10 | kyrel | abrotman, what an infinite ring :p |
| 04:30.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:30.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:30.14 | dabaR | kyrel: give it time, it will work out maybe |
| 04:30.21 | namasac | spanihs |
| 04:30.26 | abrotman | kyrel: go to #linux |
| 04:30.40 | abrotman | namasac: no habla espanol aqui .. va a #debian-es |
| 04:30.46 | Ace | Wyzard, that is cool... i am going to do a google on bonding... i did not know this could be done without buying some expensive hardware |
| 04:31.01 | kyrel | abrotman, i'm going |
| 04:31.03 | Wyzard | Ace: To use bonding, it has to be supported at the other end of the connection too |
| 04:31.08 | yoo | namasac: or #debianitas |
| 04:31.12 | abrotman | kyrel: also ... /part |
| 04:31.25 | bom | wuahhh |
| 04:31.34 | bom | i'm so boringgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 04:31.53 | Wyzard | deadcat: I've bridged a wireless and wired connection together and not had that problem |
| 04:32.01 | mzilikazi64 | is it possible to put a linux router on the WAN and connect the LAN side to a wireless router so that the wireless router does NAT for the LAN? |
| 04:32.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: As a guess, maybe your wireless card doesn't support promiscuous mode? I'm pretty sure bridging requires it. |
| 04:32.42 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: Yes, just turn off the DHCP server on the router appliance so it's acting like an ordinary switch, and connect one of its LAN ports to your network |
| 04:33.08 | mzilikazi64 | Wyzard: ah just what i wanted to hear :) tx |
| 04:33.39 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: I've done exactly that on my network here, with a D-Link wireless router appliance |
| 04:34.21 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: Wait, I think I misunderstood your question... you want the appliance to be doing the NAT? |
| 04:34.25 | mzilikazi64 | Wyzard: funny - i'm also using a dlink di-520 but it's not a very good router for the wan imo |
| 04:34.39 | mzilikazi64 | Wyzard: well would not have to - just so that all my cliente get wireless net |
| 04:35.03 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: I use the Linux box as the router, and the D-Link appliance just as a wireless access point |
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| 04:35.10 | mzilikazi64 | exactly |
| 04:35.18 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: The routing and NAT are done by the Linux box, not the D-Link appliance |
| 04:35.24 | mzilikazi64 | that's what i really want :) |
| 04:35.30 | Wyzard | ok |
| 04:35.32 | Wyzard | Yeah, that's easy |
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| 04:36.33 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: Remember to turn on WPA for your wireless signal :-) |
| 04:36.48 | cheal | Ace: I have no idea about ndiswrapper |
| 04:37.02 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: I suggest http://www.diceware.com/ for picking a passphrase |
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| 04:37.31 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: And change the appliance's admin password, or a user could reconfigure it without permission |
| 04:37.37 | Ace | if i boot into a live cd what should i do to restore the install? |
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| 04:37.52 | Ries | Can I get out of this situation? The following packages have unmet dependencies: libfreetype6-dev: Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.1.7-2.4) but 2.1.10-1 is to be installed |
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| 04:38.11 | abrotman | Ries: yeah .. finish your upgrade |
| 04:38.22 | mzilikazi64 | Wyzard: yes - many of my neighbors like to allow free and easy access to their rotuers |
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| 04:38.28 | abrotman | !info libfreetype6 sarge |
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| 04:38.30 | abrotman | !info libfreetype6 etch |
| 04:38.32 | dpkg | libfreetype6: (FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.1.7-2.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 355 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
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| 04:38.34 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 04:38.38 | Wyzard | mzilikazi64: "Like to", or just don't know any better? :-) |
| 04:38.39 | lkthomas | anyone have experience with SCSI HD ? |
| 04:38.41 | dpkg | libfreetype6: (FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.1.7-2.4 (etch), Packaged size: 355 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 04:38.42 | Ries | abrotman: I tried apt-get dit-upgrade several times, no luck... did I miss something? |
| 04:38.48 | abrotman | !info libfreetype6 sid |
| 04:38.50 | mzilikazi64 | heh - the latter i'm sure |
| 04:38.52 | dpkg | libfreetype6: (FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.1.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 409 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 04:39.07 | abrotman | Ries: the package you want is in sid/unstable .. dunno what you're trying to install though |
| 04:39.11 | Wyzard | lkthomas: What about them? |
| 04:39.19 | Ace | lkthomas, i know a little bit about scsi.... what is your question? |
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| 04:39.58 | namasac | nadie habla español |
| 04:40.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:40.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:40.07 | abrotman | namasac: ^^^^^ |
| 04:40.21 | lkthomas | Ace: after shutdown my server for 2days, when I turn it on, the HD green light flashing and SCSI card couldn't detect it |
| 04:40.25 | abrotman | namasac: /join #debian-es |
| 04:40.30 | Ries | abrotman: ok thanks, I think I know enough.... |
| 04:40.37 | abrotman | Ries: ok |
| 04:41.04 | phasegen | has anyone here installed sarge on an inspiron 1100? I have a question or two. |
| 04:41.11 | Wyzard | lkthomas: That sounds like a dead drive, not a software issue |
| 04:41.28 | abrotman | find the manual for your drive .. find out what a flashing light means |
| 04:41.43 | Wyzard | Good point -- it could be a blink code |
| 04:41.46 | Ace | kthomas: do you have termination on both ends or is the cable backwards? |
| 04:41.54 | cheal | Ace: which release did you try? |
| 04:41.57 | Wyzard | I've gotten blink codes from CD-ROM drives on a few occasions |
| 04:42.00 | abrotman | lkthomas: also .. try asking #hardware(if anyone is awake) |
| 04:42.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: SOS ? |
| 04:42.14 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 04:42.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: Pretty much -- I ended up having to RMA it |
| 04:42.21 | lkthomas | SCSI sucks :) |
| 04:42.33 | Wyzard | lkthomas: SCSI isn't the problem here |
| 04:43.22 | lkthomas | Wyzard: hmmm, |
| 04:43.23 | Ace | cheal, i forget the releas of debian i tried..... i am thinking i am going to use windows with vmware though. of 31r0a |
| 04:43.24 | blockd | phasegen: just ask and maybe somebody will have an idea... |
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| 04:44.43 | phasegen | Has anyone had trouble with screen resolution? eg. large black border around the screen? |
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| 04:45.39 | Ace | phasegen, installing video card drivers could help |
| 04:46.06 | Darkintent | does anyone know if there is a tool that tells you what options a package was built with |
| 04:46.12 | mzilikazi64 | ok thanks Wyzard |
| 04:46.22 | abrotman | Darkintent: you have to get the package and extract it manually |
| 04:46.47 | Wyzard | The source package, that is |
| 04:46.48 | cheal | Ace: knowing which release you use is always a good thing to know to get support |
| 04:46.57 | Darkintent | ah uggh |
| 04:47.10 | Wyzard | Darkintent: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 04:47.15 | yoo | is it possible to install and use two writer (one cdrom and the other dvd) on the same machine ? |
| 04:47.34 | Wyzard | yoo: Quite possible |
| 04:47.36 | phasegen | Ace: It's a bios thing. I updated to ver. a31 from a09 and I can get x to recognize a full screen now, but not grub... |
| 04:47.41 | Darkintent | that will only fetch the source wont it Wyzard? |
| 04:47.59 | liable | must be time for a beer.. |
| 04:48.06 | Darkintent | I need to see what options the binaries are built with so I can decide if I want to use sorce or not |
| 04:48.06 | Wyzard | Darkintent: Right... then you look in the debian/ subdirectory in the source tree and see what options it uses for building |
| 04:48.18 | Darkintent | oh ok I get what you mean |
| 04:48.31 | Wyzard | phasegen: That's not a driver issue, that's the "stretch picture to fill screen" setting in the BIOS |
| 04:48.31 | DB7654321 | What do I need to install for abiword's spellchecker to function? |
| 04:49.06 | Darkintent | is checkinstall integrated into debian |
| 04:49.22 | Darkintent | cause I plan to use that to do the building for me |
| 04:49.22 | yoo | ok thank Wyzard :) |
| 04:49.36 | phasegen | Wyzard, bios doesn't have that setting available on my cheapie dell laptop |
| 04:50.04 | Wyzard | Darkintent: It's packaged, yes... but it'd be better to edit the Debian package's build script and rebuild it, so you get a .deb |
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| 04:50.11 | bucky | if someone would like to help me write one line of ruby please look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1124 |
| 04:50.17 | Darkintent | rather use it to make sure all the stuff I build is a deb |
| 04:50.19 | abrotman | #tuby! |
| 04:50.24 | abrotman | ruby even :) |
| 04:50.29 | Wyzard | phasegen: It might be hidden somewhere, or it might only be accessible with a Windows config tool or something |
| 04:50.30 | Darkintent | checkinstall actually does that |
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| 04:50.36 | abrotman | #tuby is where Gnea hangs out! |
| 04:50.42 | Wyzard | Darkintent: Not quite |
| 04:50.42 | bucky | abrotman: dont call me fat |
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| 04:50.55 | Tortel | Goodnight/Morning/whatever |
| 04:51.04 | Darkintent | I was just wondering if apt-get was able to take advantage of that |
| 04:51.15 | Wyzard | Darkintent: checkinstall looks at what files the installer dumps on your system and builds a .rpm or .deb containing them |
| 04:51.32 | Wyzard | Darkintent: But there's more to a well-made Debian package than containing a set of files |
| 04:51.58 | Wyzard | Darkintent: There's integration with Debian infrastructure, scripts that get run automatically at installation and removal, package dependencies, etc. |
| 04:52.11 | namasac | in which it divides vibes |
| 04:52.18 | phasegen | Wyzard, this is a common linux problem on this model laptop apparently, it only runs fullscreen in 1024X768, anything smaller gets the border. |
| 04:52.26 | Wyzard | Darkintent: If the software you need is already available as a Debian package, modify that package to use the build options you want, and rebuild it into a .deb |
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| 04:52.48 | Wyzard | phasegen: Not surprising -- it's probably a 1024x768 LCD |
| 04:53.24 | Wyzard | phasegen: so you configure X to use 1024x768... but you can't do that with GRUB, because GRUB uses text mode and text mode is always the same resolution (640x400, I believe) |
| 04:53.29 | phasegen | Wyzard, how do you get grub to stretch though? |
| 04:53.38 | Wyzard | phasegen: It's not something done by GRUB |
| 04:53.48 | phasegen | hmmm... |
| 04:53.49 | Darkintent | how would I do that properly wyzard? |
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| 04:53.52 | Wyzard | phasegen: It's something done by the video card as it outputs the picture to the LCD |
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| 04:54.12 | Wyzard | phasegen: and that behavior of the video card is typically controlled by a BIOS setting |
| 04:54.24 | A3K | well... my wireless card is installed... now I am having a booger of a time getting it to talk to my router |
| 04:54.25 | deadcat | Wyzard: dmesg shows they are both in promiscuous mode |
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| 04:54.58 | Wyzard | Darkintent: Use "apt-get source" to get the source package, and look at the debian/rules file within the unpacked source tree |
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| 04:55.25 | beefsprocket | Wyzard: would that work to see if perl is compiled on amd64 with fpic? |
| 04:55.27 | A3K | any of y'all good at configuring wireless? |
| 04:55.29 | A3K | :) |
| 04:55.36 | A3K | btw, you are some nice folks |
| 04:55.44 | Wyzard | Darkintent: You might also want to read sections 4 and 6 of http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 04:55.50 | blockd | phasegen: I'm more familiar with LILO than grub, but I know in LILO you can set the framebuffer resolution |
| 04:56.00 | Varanger | hello |
| 04:56.03 | blockd | phasegen: I'd guess you could do something similar with grub... |
| 04:56.03 | phasegen | Wyzard, I've been though the bios with my frog-hair comb. There is no setting in it for stretching the picture to fill the screen, |
| 04:56.21 | Varanger | I'd like to build a kernel for my machine... but I don't know what I need and what I don't need |
| 04:56.26 | Varanger | how can I know that? |
| 04:56.31 | phasegen | blockd, maybe I should switch to lilo then |
| 04:56.37 | Wyzard | phasegen: There might be a tool you can run from within your system, once it's running, to configure that setting in the CMOS memory |
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| 04:56.48 | Wyzard | phasegen: I think something like that exists for Thinkpads, for example, but I'm not sure |
| 04:56.52 | blockd | I'm just saying I know you can in LILO... somebody more familiar with grub would have to help you there... |
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| 04:57.24 | Wyzard | blockd: Maybe if you're using LILO with a bootsplash patch... because if it's not doing bootsplash, it's not using graphics mode |
| 04:57.43 | A3K | hey beardy |
| 04:57.47 | A3K | you alive? |
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| 04:58.23 | blockd | I'm probably not getting what the problem is then. I'm just saying the console (not X) resolution can be set through LILO. No patches... that was on Slackware. |
| 04:58.24 | phasegen | Thank you for the help, I guess I shouldn't get so annoyed over the little things... |
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| 04:58.54 | abrotman | !irritate phasegen |
| 04:58.55 | dpkg | phasegen: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound hello? |
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| 04:59.48 | Wyzard | phasegen: I prefer the non-stretched look anyway -- I don't like the blurring that happens when the image is stretched |
| 04:59.52 | A3K | gonna try a rebooy |
| 04:59.56 | A3K | reboot |
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| 05:03.22 | PaulGene | test |
| 05:03.37 | Darkintent | lol Wyzard I find it funny that those docs reference Gentoo |
| 05:03.41 | abrotman | PaulGene: we're all dead |
| 05:03.56 | Darkintent | I'm coming from Gentoo on my laptop |
| 05:03.58 | Wyzard | Darkintent: What docs? |
| 05:04.00 | PaulGenez1975 | thought so |
| 05:04.15 | Darkintent | the maintainers guide |
| 05:04.50 | Wyzard | Darkintent: Oh... that's not Gentoo the distribution, it's Gentoo the lightweight file manager for X |
| 05:04.54 | Wyzard | Darkintent: apt-cache show gentoo |
| 05:05.06 | Darkintent | oh is it |
| 05:05.26 | Darkintent | I heard about that program |
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| 05:05.57 | Wyzard | Darkintent: I'm pretty sure those examples were written before Gentoo-the-distribution existed |
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| 05:08.54 | abrotman | !beer Wyzard |
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| 05:10.30 | iluciv | Hi what should Ichange the soures.list file to dist-upgrade to testing; testing or etch?? && will it break like it does going from sarge to sid |
| 05:10.40 | abrotman | !tell iluciv about sarge->etch |
| 05:10.43 | Wyzard | iluciv: Either would work |
| 05:10.48 | abrotman | iluciv: yes .. and it could break |
| 05:11.20 | Wyzard | iluciv: The difference is that when etch eventually becomes stable, a sources.list which says "etch" will stay on etch, while a sources.list that says "testing" will continue to track testing |
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| 05:12.35 | iluciv | abrotman:thats a cool command :D !tell |
| 05:12.50 | iluciv | thanks Wyzard |
| 05:13.52 | maja | hey all my downloads have gone burgandy, but my uploads are still going at full speed ? |
| 05:14.13 | maja | they where working fine last night |
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| 05:14.57 | liable | gone burgandy? |
| 05:15.11 | maja | yeah |
| 05:15.17 | maja | a darker shade of red |
| 05:15.26 | ultraviolet16 | when configuring XF86Config for a touchpad pointer (the one in laptops) what should be in the place of "/dev/input/mice" |
| 05:15.38 | liable | that make much more sense... |
| 05:16.03 | ultraviolet16 | or sorry the protocol |
| 05:16.20 | ultraviolet16 | instead of "ImPS/2" |
| 05:16.20 | liable | ps2 |
| 05:16.34 | maja | it does ? |
| 05:16.41 | maja | cant find anything in the wiki bout it |
| 05:16.50 | maja | i can take a screen shot for you |
| 05:16.52 | ultraviolet16 | "ps2" not "PS/2" |
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| 05:17.51 | liable | ultraviolet16: PS/2 is what it should use. |
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| 05:18.38 | ultraviolet16 | ah ok. now i'm getting a "no screens found issue over at pci bus 0 2 1 that's my intel display. ghey |
| 05:18.59 | abrotman | !tell ultraviolet16 about gay |
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| 05:19.10 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: did you pick a PCI bus slot ? |
| 05:19.36 | liable | heh, i miss the $whois gay at the end of that factoid. :P |
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| 05:20.05 | ultraviolet16 | that's what I said ghey |
| 05:20.08 | ultraviolet16 | ;) |
| 05:20.14 | ultraviolet16 | well anyway, this is the error: |
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| 05:20.52 | ultraviolet16 | (WW) I810: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 05:20.54 | maja | http://musan.ath.cx/filez/amule.png |
| 05:21.09 | ultraviolet16 | then i do lspci |
| 05:21.14 | ultraviolet16 | and I notice the display is there at that address |
| 05:21.29 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: EE lines |
| 05:21.51 | ultraviolet16 | (EE) No devices detected |
| 05:22.03 | deadcat | no dice on bridging |
| 05:22.09 | maja | bergendy :) |
| 05:23.22 | ultraviolet16 | from lspci: 0000:00:02.1 Display controller: intel corp mobile graphics controller (rev 03) |
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| 05:23.49 | abrotman | !busid |
| 05:23.49 | dpkg | [busid] lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}' |
| 05:23.50 | maja | o wtf sorry guys wrong channel |
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| 05:23.52 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 05:24.00 | abrotman | someone damn changed it |
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| 05:25.45 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman, the command returns PCI:0:2:0 |
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| 05:26.05 | ooev | hello |
| 05:26.28 | ooev | any of you luck to install sid by debootstrap? |
| 05:26.31 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: you're not supposed to use the BusID |
| 05:26.33 | ultraviolet16 | but that's for the vga controller, i think the issue is with the Display controller |
| 05:28.09 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: what do you mean, in the XF86Config file? |
| 05:28.31 | liable | with dpkg |
| 05:28.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 05:28.36 | abrotman | !drxx ultraviolet16 |
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| 05:28.37 | dpkg | ultraviolet16: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:28.46 | deadcat | dhclient is broken in sid by the way |
| 05:28.51 | jcole | i've got a bunch of encrypted wmv files that i'm trying to play/convert here in linux... i've installed all the nerim stuff but still get an error... how do i play/convert these without installing windows? |
| 05:29.39 | blockd | jcole: encrypted or you just don't have codecs for them? MPlayer can for sure run those, but AFAIK that's not in Debian anymore for various reasons... |
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| 05:30.04 | arafangion | By any chance, does anyone know how to put messages on hold with postfix 1.1.11? (The version in Woody) |
| 05:30.06 | ooev | how's progress for mplayer to enter main stream. |
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| 05:30.09 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman I've configured XF86 before on my desktop, just havent done it in a laptop yet.. i'll try dpkg I suppose, didn't think I had to, figured I needed an option under devices or something |
| 05:30.18 | cheal | !tell ooev about mplayer faq |
| 05:30.58 | ooev | it was said couple months ago that site/ftp master was looking into this |
| 05:31.22 | blockd | (or maybe it never was in Debian... not really important) |
| 05:31.36 | lkthomas | would it cause my SCSI HD unstable if I use 80 to 60pin connector ? |
| 05:31.49 | jcole | the files are from various relatives running windows... but i can't watch them since i run linux |
| 05:32.05 | jcole | home videos, etc. |
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| 05:32.22 | liable | jcole: tell them to unencrypt them. |
| 05:32.27 | Chimpa | dejame de romper |
| 05:32.48 | lkthomas | would it cause my SCSI HD unstable if I use 80 to 68pin connector ? (corrected) |
| 05:33.12 | blockd | you probably can with mplayer... you just need the windows codecs which of questionable legality (I don't know at least) are at the mplayer site. But I'm getting pretty OT |
| 05:33.33 | jcole | liable:*sish* it would be easier to just install windows |
| 05:33.37 | blockd | iirc w32codecs were removed from debian |
| 05:33.40 | arafangion | Or get a mac. |
| 05:33.56 | arafangion | Only thing not good about the macs is their *pathetic* aftersales support. |
| 05:34.17 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: do you know what the mouse port is for the pad on the laptop..? PS/2 as u said earlier |
| 05:34.20 | ultraviolet16 | ? |
| 05:34.28 | abrotman | /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
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| 05:34.44 | siimo | hello does anyone here use Firefox 1.5 Betas or RC3 release? do you experience the flickering issue on the bookmarks menu? with all menus flickering after a little while? I see it even on offical 1.5c3 release ? maybe its new linux systems only with gtk 2.8 + cairo? can someone please confirm this? (this happens after a few minutes of surfing) |
| 05:34.55 | deadcat | no |
| 05:34.57 | abrotman | siimo: irc.mozilla.org |
| 05:35.00 | liable | been fishing lately? |
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| 05:35.15 | RedRose | is there a logrotate config file maker out there? to make the files logrotate looks at, cause those files are tricky... |
| 05:35.20 | abrotman | siimo: or ask the channel for your distro .. |
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| 05:35.36 | siimo | abrotman, im from irc.mozilla.org no one there knows it mozilla uses older redhat systems ith gcc 3.x to compile / test |
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| 05:35.57 | abrotman | siimo: but you're not using debian ? |
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| 05:36.09 | RedRose | or are there any better log rotaters? |
| 05:36.13 | siimo | abrotman, of course i am using debian but its not debian specific |
| 05:36.20 | RedRose | i just want it to autorotate my auth.log file |
| 05:36.22 | liable | jcole: why the hell do your relatives encrypt home video anyway? |
| 05:36.29 | abrotman | siimo: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 05:37.11 | siimo | abrotman, whats the point of that? |
| 05:37.13 | abrotman | siimo: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0 | tail -1 |
| 05:37.28 | abrotman | siimo: you can't do that to get help ? |
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| 05:37.33 | RedRose | anyone? |
| 05:37.34 | jcole | liable: i'm going to install windows xp here in qemu... haven't used windows for a while, how do i unencrypt all of these files once i'm done installing? there's about 200+ files |
| 05:37.48 | ultraviolet16 | ok i finished running dpkg-reconfig, but i got the same exact error |
| 05:37.59 | ultraviolet16 | (EE) no screens found |
| 05:38.01 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: did it actually record your changes ? |
| 05:38.10 | liable | jcole: sorry dude, no fucking idea. i guess, ask your relatives. |
| 05:38.10 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: there shuld be another EE line farther up |
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| 05:38.14 | orangerd | i've got a question concerning apt-get: i'm getting an error "E: gdm: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" when trying to install/uninstall any app.. how can i fix this? |
| 05:38.17 | siimo | abrotman, ok wait let me ssh into my debian box |
| 05:38.45 | RedRose | is there a logrotate config file maker out there? to make the files logrotate looks at, cause those files are tricky... or are there any tutorials ? |
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| 05:38.55 | wireddd | jcole what kind of encryption did they use? |
| 05:39.05 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: might sound crazy, but I don't know how to scroll up.. |
| 05:39.06 | wireddd | or are they just encoded |
| 05:39.20 | abrotman | siimo: also .. rc3 is in experimenntal |
| 05:39.31 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: xorg or xfree ? |
| 05:39.35 | ultraviolet16 | xfree |
| 05:39.45 | siimo | ok ill try that version |
| 05:39.55 | liable | shift pageup |
| 05:39.56 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:40.03 | jcole | wireddd: i don't know, they are .wmv, when i play them in xine/totem-gstreamer/mplayer i get an "cannot play encrypted files" error |
| 05:40.05 | wireddd | jcole, did you install w32codecs? |
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| 05:40.30 | Xeelee | just one question: anyone got the ppc port to install on an OldWorld mac? |
| 05:40.38 | jcole | wireddd: ya, all there, even installed every single gstreamer plugin |
| 05:40.40 | abrotman | !pp c |
| 05:40.42 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 05:40.42 | dpkg | i guess ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 05:41.08 | Xeelee | a'ight, thx |
| 05:41.12 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: actually the only EE is the "no devices detected" |
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| 05:41.20 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: how about WW lines ? |
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| 05:42.02 | ultraviolet16 | ok there are 4. two about not finding a directory, and two that I think are important.. |
| 05:42.29 | rss | hi, what is the command to stop the monitor screen going blank after so many seconds? |
| 05:42.32 | ultraviolet16 | (ww1) : Open APM failed /dev/apm/_bios |
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| 05:43.04 | ultraviolet16 | ww2: I810 : No matching device section for instance (BUSID PCI:0:2:1) found |
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| 05:43.21 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: did you leave the BusID blank when you configured X ? |
| 05:43.53 | ultraviolet16 | no. it asked me for the bus id to the vga controller, and I gave it pci:0:2:0 |
| 05:43.53 | rss | i.e., the monitor, if idle, turns up a blank screen... i have seen some where a way to postpone the blanking or stopping it, how? |
| 05:44.04 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: i already told you once to leave it blank |
| 05:44.14 | ultraviolet16 | ahhh ok i'll run it again, sorry |
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| 05:44.54 | rss | is it the sleep command? |
| 05:45.20 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: ok same problem again |
| 05:45.27 | abrotman | !tell rss about dpms |
| 05:45.47 | rss | thank you abrotman |
| 05:45.56 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: what driver are you using ? |
| 05:46.04 | ultraviolet16 | i810 |
| 05:46.08 | liable | ultraviolet16: had you hand edited your config? |
| 05:46.23 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 .. did it actually change the file ? |
| 05:46.24 | ultraviolet16 | i had, but i just reconfigured it. |
| 05:46.34 | blockd | Xeelee's gone, but aren't a lot of old world macs m68k not ppc...? |
| 05:46.44 | ultraviolet16 | i'm going to try to give it a bogus mouse input to see if it changes it. |
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| 05:47.33 | ultraviolet16 | ah damn, no it didn't. |
| 05:47.56 | ultraviolet16 | should I delete it? |
| 05:48.04 | abrotman | !xmd6 |
| 05:48.05 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 05:48.05 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 05:48.38 | ultraviolet16 | ah. ok |
| 05:48.39 | A3K | throw me a bone here... I can load up KWiFiManager and it shows 100% signal strength but I cannot talk to the router |
| 05:48.51 | A3K | it gives me the router mac id |
| 05:48.57 | abrotman | is it your router ? |
| 05:49.07 | abrotman | mac filtering/ wep ? |
| 05:49.08 | rss | blockd, I think so, http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/ , says so. |
| 05:49.11 | A3K | and even my local ip is assigned throug dhcp |
| 05:49.11 | Darkintent | what is the command to configure X? |
| 05:49.29 | A3K | my router works fine |
| 05:49.29 | abrotman | blockd: yes .. |
| 05:49.34 | abrotman | !drxx Darkintent |
| 05:49.35 | dpkg | Darkintent: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:49.35 | rss | Darkintent: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:49.46 | A3K | same card was working with 'doze three days ago |
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| 05:49.57 | Darkintent | thanks |
| 05:49.59 | abrotman | !factinfo cmd: drxx (.*?) |
| 05:49.59 | dpkg | cmd: drxx (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Jul 27 01:19:56 2005 by abrotman!~abrotman@abrotman.active.supporter.pdpc. |
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| 05:50.25 | A3K | I dont think I have wep enabled |
| 05:50.27 | maatttt | A3K: got the right key ? |
| 05:50.35 | ltx | hi, i know this may sound vague, but i would like to be able to connect, from my linux box at home, to a network drive containing our personal files used on our school computers |
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| 05:50.42 | ltx | the network drive is mapped via \\servername\etc in windows xp |
| 05:50.44 | A3K | didn't have to have it before maatttt |
| 05:50.49 | ltx | i tried doing: |
| 05:50.52 | A3K | zero config under windows |
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| 05:50.55 | enriquev | A3K> do an iwconfig and see if you are on your router's ssid |
| 05:51.05 | ltx | mount -t smbfs -o username=lmt183,password=mypass //servername/etc /UDrive/ |
| 05:51.13 | ltx | and recieved the following errors: |
| 05:51.17 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: ok I did what the instructions said, still not dice |
| 05:51.20 | ltx | 5586: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 05:51.20 | ltx | SMB connection failed |
| 05:51.30 | ltx | any ideas? |
| 05:51.31 | abrotman | ltx: try smbclient also |
| 05:51.39 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: no dice doing what ? |
| 05:51.47 | A3K | what am I looking for enriquev? |
| 05:52.02 | liable | A3K: whats in resolv.conf and whats route say? |
| 05:52.02 | ultraviolet16 | startx still gives me the same EE and WW |
| 05:52.07 | ltx | i know i have to connect through the win domain...because on campus, when mapping the drive for our kerberos we use win\myusername |
| 05:52.18 | ultraviolet16 | about the bus id refering to pci:0:2:1 |
| 05:52.25 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: are you using startx or gdm/kdm/xdm ? |
| 05:52.33 | ultraviolet16 | just startx |
| 05:52.48 | A3K | resolv.conf? |
| 05:52.52 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: oh .. your error log will be in ~/.xsession-errors or soemthing |
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| 05:53.12 | ltx | abrotman: i am not familiar with smbclient...can this map drives to folders? or is this run like an ftp client |
| 05:53.21 | enriquev | a3k> just wanted to maked sure you are talking to your router and no to your neighbor's :) have you changed your router's ssid? |
| 05:53.37 | abrotman | ltx: it lets you connect .. but you can certainly .. use smbfs .. |
| 05:53.53 | abrotman | !smbfs |
| 05:53.53 | dpkg | smbfs is, like, the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. |
| 05:54.16 | A3K | no... when I set up my driver startup, I did essid=any |
| 05:54.31 | A3K | and with my crappy card, I can barely reach across my house |
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| 05:55.10 | ultraviolet16 | i have a feeling something is up with my monitor and its not being recognized correctly |
| 05:55.11 | enriquev | a3k> when you do an iwconfig (as root), you should see if your essid is the same as your configured ssid (you can check the name in your router admin interface) |
| 05:55.22 | A3K | IEEE 802.11b+ ESSID:off/any Nickname:"acx100 v0.2.0pre8" |
| 05:55.36 | A3K | Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:11:50:8C:05:0A |
| 05:55.38 | enriquev | try forcing your ssid name using iwconfig |
| 05:55.42 | liable | A3K: so, can you ping the router? |
| 05:55.45 | A3K | no |
| 05:56.12 | liable | A3K: paste the output of ifconfig -a iwconfig and route to a paster. |
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| 05:56.48 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: thanks for the help. i'm going to leave for a moment but i'll be back to continue to try to get xf86 working.. i was in here though a few weeks ago and someone had a similiar problem they were saying that they used xorg because xf86 didn't support their hardware. I'm thinking I might have a similiar problem |
| 05:56.56 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: i'll be gone :) |
| 05:57.06 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: it's almost 1AM here .. i'm getting sleepy |
| 05:57.14 | A3K | ifconfig -a iwconfig? |
| 05:57.45 | liable | theres supposed to be a , in the middle there.. |
| 05:57.51 | abrotman | ; |
| 05:57.53 | A3K | ah |
| 05:58.01 | A3K | paster? |
| 05:58.15 | A3K | I am a pastor ;) |
| 05:58.18 | liable | !paster |
| 05:58.18 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 05:58.23 | abrotman | !pastor |
| 05:58.23 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 05:58.31 | liable | hah |
| 05:58.32 | ltx | i tried smbclient -U myusername -L \\servername |
| 05:58.34 | ltx | and got: |
| 05:58.41 | ltx | 5586: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 05:58.41 | ltx | SMB connection failed |
| 05:58.48 | ltx | oops, |
| 05:58.49 | ltx | session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 06:00.06 | enriquev | ltx> time to check your window's side access rights |
| 06:00.51 | ltx | hmm, i have no control over that...is it possible that i can only connect from a M$ machine? |
| 06:01.27 | liable | no, if the share is available, then samba should be able to access it. |
| 06:01.38 | enriquev | ltx> do you have one nearby to test if you can connect to that share remotely? |
| 06:02.14 | ltx | well i think you have to connect to the WIN domain to access it on campus... |
| 06:02.44 | ltx | and i see no option to connect to a domain using smbclient |
| 06:02.55 | A3K | done |
| 06:03.07 | A3K | brb |
| 06:03.13 | liable | A3K: and the url is? |
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| 06:03.46 | coywolf | any1 remember the FC? I mean game |
| 06:04.41 | ltx | enrique: i'm pretty sure access is closed to the campus network, my friends off campus tell me they can't connect w/their M$ boxes |
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| 06:05.00 | arafangion | Any tips for upgrading a debian server that is geographically far away? |
| 06:05.03 | enriquev | try smbclient -U <username> //<computer>.<domain>/<share> /<mountpoint> |
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| 06:05.10 | doojin | hi lots of guys |
| 06:05.11 | liable | ltx: most sane admins block those ports from internet acces.. |
| 06:05.43 | arafangion | liable: Most sane admins block all ports from internet access... (Except, perhaps, ssh) |
| 06:06.19 | A3K | 1125....brb |
| 06:06.22 | liable | arafangion: no need really if you arent running a service.. |
| 06:06.40 | ltx | well actually, the server is udrive.win.psu.edu ... |
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| 06:06.57 | ltx | i don't think its been assigned a computer name |
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| 06:07.20 | arafangion | liable: Still good practice. |
| 06:07.54 | A3K | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1125 |
| 06:08.16 | Arsion | got a quick question. Just got a dvd-burner today and want to burn a new copy of sarge onto dvd's but, which one? looking it over I see r0-r6, so which is the right one and what are the others? |
| 06:08.47 | liable | A3K: is the wlani0 a typo? |
| 06:09.12 | enriquev | A3K> you should really try to force your essid using iwconfig. iwconfig wlan0 essid = "your router's configured ssid" |
| 06:09.15 | liable | arafangion: yeah. |
| 06:10.39 | enriquev | A3K> also make sure wep/wap is really disabled... what router do you have? |
| 06:10.41 | liable | A3K: and the output of route? you have eth0 up, so more than likely, the default route is using it.. |
| 06:11.02 | A3K | I have disconnected my hardline and get nothing |
| 06:11.11 | A3K | I am on it now so I can talk to you |
| 06:11.13 | Arsion | you also might want to force it's channel as well. iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 (or whatever channel you have it set to). Found out today that it makes a big differance in speed |
| 06:11.15 | liable | A3K: *route* |
| 06:11.18 | A3K | I have a belkin |
| 06:11.29 | liable | A3K: paste it. |
| 06:12.17 | liable | A3K: you more than likely need to do: ifdown eth0; ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 |
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| 06:12.46 | enriquev | yeah...default gw salad |
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| 06:13.48 | Arsion | looking at the debian cd images, i saw r0-r6 what are each of those? |
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| 06:14.04 | arafangion | Arsion: You do not need to download them.. |
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| 06:14.19 | arafangion | Arsion: All you need is a netinst cd. |
| 06:14.40 | Supaplex | but I want the dual layer debian dvd!! |
| 06:14.46 | arafangion | Supaplex: Heh :) |
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| 06:15.04 | arafangion | Dvd's of debian Stable are very convenient. |
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| 06:15.08 | liable | heh, if i had the facilities, i would.. |
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| 06:15.25 | Arsion | arafangion: true, but i want to get them on dvd so I will have them incase of something. After all, my server uses a wireless pci card...no ethernet card. If something happened, I would need ndiswrapper again to get it back online. |
| 06:15.27 | liable | haha |
| 06:15.28 | sah_lee | stew are you there? |
| 06:15.31 | enriquev | lol |
| 06:15.38 | liable | sah_lee: bastard! :P |
| 06:15.44 | liable | sah_lee: sorry |
| 06:15.48 | liable | Supaplex: ^^\ |
| 06:15.53 | sah_lee | I can see characters in console |
| 06:15.57 | Supaplex | heh :P |
| 06:15.58 | A3K | what I don't understand is how dhcp set my ip address |
| 06:16.03 | A3K | and I cannot talk |
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| 06:16.21 | liable | route route route route route... |
| 06:16.33 | enriquev | A3K>^^^ |
| 06:16.41 | Supaplex | a3k, you failed childhood. go back and start over. ;) |
| 06:16.56 | Arsion | arafangion: and i think i found out why i had some etch and some serge. The install cd i used, was from when serge was still in testing. So when it apt'd everything on install, it went through testing then I changed it afterwards to stable. So, in essence, my server is part etch part serge ;( |
| 06:17.02 | liable | A3K: if you arent going to take advise, then *shrug* |
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| 06:19.54 | Supaplex | dpkg, is apt sphinteriffic or what? |
| 06:19.55 | liable | Arsion: eww, re-install. |
| 06:20.13 | liable | sphincter |
| 06:20.15 | A3K | I am not sure what you are saying liable. several people were trying to help me at once and I was trying a lot of stuff... I scrolled up. You said *route* I just realized that was a command |
| 06:20.38 | Arsion | liable: thats what i am planning on doing. but first, i need to know which of the dvd's to get out of the r0-r6 since i need the full amount to get my wireless back up |
| 06:20.50 | A3K | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1126 |
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| 06:20.57 | liable | A3K: i said the output of route.. never mind, what is it anyway? |
| 06:21.14 | Arsion | liable: well, actually, r5 or r6 since thats all i see in dvd form |
| 06:21.21 | liable | !d-i Arsion |
| 06:21.22 | dpkg | Arsion, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:21.31 | liable | Arsion: should be a link there ^^ |
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| 06:21.57 | A3K | I was trying to figure out where you got wlani0 |
| 06:22.04 | A3K | and missed output of route |
| 06:22.07 | A3K | sorry |
| 06:22.09 | liable | A3K: right, your eth0 is your default gw |
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| 06:22.35 | liable | A3K: so, ifdown wlan0; ifdown eth0; ifup wlan0 |
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| 06:23.03 | A3K | where do I put that? |
| 06:23.14 | enriquev | A3K> console |
| 06:23.15 | benny | alguien entiende lo que escribo? |
| 06:23.37 | liable | A3K: how are you bringing wlan0 up? |
| 06:23.42 | enriquev | benny> si, pero español es en #debian-es |
| 06:23.47 | benny | gracias |
| 06:24.07 | enriquev | benny> de nada :) |
| 06:24.15 | Arsion | bah! torrents! prefer http/ftp downloading. at least i know its gonna start downloading sometime this year lol |
| 06:24.59 | A3K | right now ./start_net |
| 06:25.24 | liable | A3K: um, what distro are you using? |
| 06:25.42 | enriquev | liable: not debian, that's for sure ;) |
| 06:25.55 | liable | enriquev: appears that way.. |
| 06:27.38 | enriquev | A3K> try running the commands liable mentioned to you, ifdown wlan0; ifdown eth0; ifup wlan0 and see if your wireless works... then we'll go from there |
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| 06:28.15 | deadcat | A3K: what card? |
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| 06:29.46 | dli | I want to use my usb-hdd as the installation medium, any easy howto? |
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| 06:30.05 | enriquev | liable> didn't look like debian to me from the moment I saw A3K's wireless device was called wlan[X] |
| 06:30.41 | deadcat | enriquev: wlanX = not debian? |
| 06:30.46 | liable | enriquev: there are wlan0's in debian. |
| 06:30.59 | liable | enriquev: but that netscript i havent seen before.. |
| 06:31.10 | deadcat | enriquev: you on crack? hows is wlan have anything to do with a distro? |
| 06:32.30 | redge- | heya |
| 06:32.33 | liable | dli: can your bios boot from it? |
| 06:32.45 | dli | liable, yes, boot from usb |
| 06:33.11 | liable | dli: then i guess just install to sda or whatever the kernel thinks it is. |
| 06:33.49 | dli | liable, but how to make it an installation disk? |
| 06:35.03 | liable | dli: what do you mean? there is no choice for it when you try to partition disks? |
| 06:35.20 | Lewix | I need a good cd/dvd burner working on windows to be able to burn debian on cd |
| 06:35.29 | Lewix | which one do you advise ? |
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| 06:35.50 | dli | liable, I can install debian on it, and it will boot, but how to make it boot and start installation |
| 06:36.33 | liable | dli: you have lost me. if you can install to it, and boot.. |
| 06:36.44 | enriquev | dedcat,liable> i stand corrected on the wlan, the 3 wireless devices i've had before have always been eth[x] |
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| 06:37.12 | deadcat | enriquev: you are ignorant then |
| 06:37.25 | liable | !irritate deadcat |
| 06:37.26 | dpkg | deadcat: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 06:37.54 | deadcat | liable: feel free to agree with me on that comment |
| 06:38.08 | liable | heh, indeed. |
| 06:38.11 | dusk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.25 | deadcat | dusk: bittonado is pretty nice |
| 06:38.33 | deadcat | or just bittorrent |
| 06:38.39 | liable | dusk: whichever you like. try them out. |
| 06:38.58 | dusk | liable: heh, i dont know where to start looking.. i just want something ultra low resource/command line |
| 06:39.08 | deadcat | dusk: apt-cache search torrent |
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| 06:42.12 | dli | liable, something similar to usb-stick installers? |
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| 06:42.38 | deadcat | dli: ? |
| 06:43.36 | liable | dli: still not with you. explain exactly what you want to do. |
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| 06:45.32 | dli | deadcat, liable I don't want to burn cd, just want to use usb-hdd only |
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| 06:46.20 | liable | dli: as an install medium? |
| 06:46.29 | dli | liable, yes |
| 06:46.46 | liable | ahhh, no fucking idea :P |
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| 06:48.20 | liable | dli: have you followed the usb stick installer howto? |
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| 06:48.44 | liable | dli: dont see how it would differ much. |
| 06:48.48 | ikram | hello |
| 06:49.03 | dli | liable, I see :) |
| 06:49.19 | ikram | what does the "X application" means |
| 06:50.23 | ikram | anybody there? |
| 06:50.30 | liable | dli: i have put it on a usb key, not difficult. |
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| 06:51.03 | liable | dli: except i used ext2 and grub instead of syslinux. |
| 06:51.17 | ikram | what is the X application |
| 06:51.32 | dli | liable, any how to links? |
| 06:51.37 | liable | ikram: in what context? |
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| 06:51.59 | blanky | hey guys |
| 06:52.22 | liable | dli: just the sarge install manual. but instead of using syslinux, use grub. |
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| 06:52.47 | ikram | when we say "the user is using the x application" what does this mean? |
| 06:53.25 | liable | dli: the grub bit you can find here http://liable.mine.nu/debian/sysrescue.html |
| 06:53.49 | blanky | Hey guys, please dont get mad at me. I'd like to know if Debian runs smoother with KDE than Ubuntu does |
| 06:54.45 | zorton | does ubuntu push many changes back to debian main? |
| 06:54.58 | liable | blanky: thats a hard question to answer. |
| 06:55.00 | dli | liable, thanks |
| 06:55.02 | liable | zorton: a few |
| 06:55.18 | blanky | zorton: at least form what I know, immediately |
| 06:55.28 | zorton | well hopefuly that will contiune |
| 06:55.34 | zorton | i've been very impressed with ubuntu |
| 06:55.38 | blanky | liable: ubuntu is known for it's problems with KDE, from what you know, have you had any problems with it? |
| 06:56.18 | liable | blanky: i dont use ubuntu, and i dont use kde at the moment, but when i did, it seemed ok. |
| 06:56.27 | blanky | liable: thanks for the input |
| 06:56.35 | liable | np |
| 06:58.11 | enriquev | gnite everyone |
| 06:58.13 | blanky | I'd really ike to try out Debian, but I like how Ubuntu comes out with fixes/updates fast, and Debian's community (at least hin this channel) is kinda mean |
| 06:58.33 | zorton | less hand holding happens here |
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| 06:58.54 | blanky | yeah I know |
| 06:58.58 | liable | blanky: if you make the effort to try and learn, you will *probably* find us very helpfull. |
| 06:59.14 | blanky | but is it really all taht differnt from Ubuntu? I've been searching the net constantly for comparisons |
| 06:59.16 | zorton | personaly i've always had excellent help from #debian |
| 06:59.20 | zorton | and i've been around since bo |
| 06:59.21 | blanky | I know about the snapshot sid and fixing it up and stuff |
| 06:59.24 | zorton | off and on :) |
| 06:59.31 | blanky | But I mean, the key differences, zorton: lol |
| 07:00.01 | deadcat | why bittorrent suck? limited seeders.. as in NONE! |
| 07:00.06 | liable | blanky: less automagic stuff, and modules that arent in debian due to lisencing reasons. |
| 07:00.23 | blanky | what about modules that aren't in debian? |
| 07:00.28 | blanky | oh, I understnad |
| 07:00.32 | blanky | some modules in ubuntu aren't in debian |
| 07:00.39 | blanky | but Debian has a way larger repository(ies) right? |
| 07:00.45 | zorton | for sure |
| 07:00.56 | deadcat | blanky: compared to what? |
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| 07:01.08 | liable | !log |
| 07:01.08 | zorton | also the ubuntu folks tend to mod the kernel a bit more |
| 07:01.08 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 07:01.09 | blanky | deadcat: ubuntu |
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| 07:01.17 | blanky | zorton: what? |
| 07:01.43 | zorton | more kernel patches and such |
| 07:01.49 | liable | !factinfo log |
| 07:01.49 | dpkg | log -- created by Sethus <scohn@scohn.clipper.net> at Mon Jun 5 03:06:56 2000 (1993 days); last modified at Sun Aug 13 08:06:25 2000 by Hyphen!robink@dialup-209.245.160.189.Seattle1.Level3.net; it has been requested 74 times, last by liable, 41s ago. |
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| 07:01.56 | zorton | if I recall correctly at least, might be wrong |
| 07:02.01 | blanky | zorton: yeah that's why I seem to like it more, heh |
| 07:02.06 | deadcat | ubuntu mod the kernel to have all possible driver available. including non-free |
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| 07:02.51 | A3K | well... I am on wireless now |
| 07:03.04 | zorton | Arsion: i'm over here choking on 30kB/sec :( |
| 07:03.04 | deadcat | A3K: cool what card? |
| 07:03.06 | liable | !congratulate A3K |
| 07:03.06 | A3K | but it is still not right |
| 07:03.07 | dpkg | Yay A3K, you did it! |
| 07:03.14 | Arsion | zorton: ouch |
| 07:03.19 | A3K | smc2435w |
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| 07:03.28 | deadcat | A3K: ndis? |
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| 07:03.34 | liable | whats not right about it? |
| 07:03.36 | A3K | acx100 |
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| 07:03.52 | zorton | Arsion: cheapskate dsl no trransfer cap, poor little thing has pushed 80 gig's this month alone :) |
| 07:04.01 | deadcat | A3K: nice. used that driver years ago.. first wireless card (=. pretty good driver |
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| 07:04.04 | A3K | I put my home essid in my config. I need a wildcard so it will work with any network |
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| 07:04.22 | liable | so, put 'any' |
| 07:04.23 | A3K | deadcat: a bear for a 3rd day user to configure though |
| 07:04.25 | Arsion | zorton: well, i'm actually surprised at the speed. dsl comp just got my lines fixed out here today. Been paying for 3.5mpbs for 2 months now and was getting only 200kbps on downloads. Now they have it fixed, i'm d/ling at the right speeds now |
| 07:04.37 | A3K | I had any. It did not work |
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| 07:05.00 | zorton | Arsion: glad to hear it, I can remeber when getting 100k/sec was godly :) |
| 07:05.03 | liable | leave it blank "" |
| 07:05.13 | A3K | tried it. did not work |
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| 07:05.40 | Arsion | zorton: heh, me too. specially since i went from dial-up to dsl. I almost passed out the first time i downloaded something on dsl and had 200kbps |
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| 07:05.59 | A3K | maybe I am missing some package that would allow it to parse "all" |
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| 07:06.12 | A3K | I tried it with and without the quotes |
| 07:06.14 | liable | A3K: what distro? have you checked the cocs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gz? man iwconfig |
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| 07:06.21 | liable | docs.. |
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| 07:06.36 | leira | i installed unrar-nonfree, but i still has lots of rar files cannot be extracted. |
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| 07:07.07 | liable | A3K: your saying about that script to start networking leads me to believe you arent running debian. |
| 07:07.12 | deadcat | leira: not surprised |
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| 07:07.53 | A3K | I am running debian |
| 07:08.06 | A3K | sarge |
| 07:08.20 | A3K | installed it using net install |
| 07:08.40 | A3K | the script issue is a driver thing |
| 07:09.08 | deadcat | you dont need a script for acx100 drivers. just iwconfig. |
| 07:09.15 | A3K | I need to put that script in my startup somewhere... not sure where. If it was Amiga, I would just drop it in my user-startup |
| 07:09.47 | A3K | the scipt is the config...the config is a script |
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| 07:10.24 | leira | deadcat: but another machine i used, which using debian sarge, it can extract |
| 07:10.24 | liable | A3K: man iwconfig |
| 07:10.29 | DJ_Necrogami | where is xorg.conf in Debian? |
| 07:10.29 | Lewix | I have debian installer in *.rar |
| 07:10.32 | Lewix | now I try to burn |
| 07:10.33 | A3K | I am looking at it now |
| 07:10.54 | Lewix | what is exactly the image ? |
| 07:11.21 | Supaplex | debian install in .rar form? how dumb is that? |
| 07:11.44 | Lewix | yep |
| 07:12.24 | Lewix | my bad |
| 07:12.38 | Lewix | it may be in *iso but winrar can read it |
| 07:13.06 | liable | A3K: paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:13.16 | gaasfet | DJ_Necrogami: locate |
| 07:13.29 | liable | fucking mosquitoes, i *hate* them.. |
| 07:14.10 | cahoot | liable: yeah they suck |
| 07:15.10 | liable | thats an understatement :) |
| 07:15.14 | A3K | liable: there is nothing in there about wireless. I have not touched it |
| 07:15.28 | A3K | I wanted to get it working before I set it to automatically load |
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| 07:15.47 | liable | A3K: so, forget about your script that came with the drivers. |
| 07:15.47 | Lewix | I guess it's burned ..now Im going to install debian on my nw laptop |
| 07:15.51 | Lewix | I'm scared lol |
| 07:16.47 | imex | need some help with libpng problem, " configure: error: libpng needed " when compiling tvtime and tried download all libpng still not working |
| 07:16.55 | imex | any idea? |
| 07:17.09 | A3K | proof of debian :) |
| 07:17.25 | A3K | liable |
| 07:17.32 | Supaplex | !ideas |
| 07:17.39 | Supaplex | !any idea |
| 07:17.40 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 07:17.57 | imex | !no way |
| 07:17.59 | liable | i love that factoid. |
| 07:18.00 | A3K | liable: you getting a dcc send notification on your end? |
| 07:18.36 | liable | A3K: no. please dont anyway. keep it in channel. (more help that way) |
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| 07:18.53 | A3K | I was trying to send you a screen grab |
| 07:19.01 | A3K | debian |
| 07:19.06 | bruzza | sup, im installing debian onto an amd64 bit processor |
| 07:19.19 | bruzza | which architecure should i use.. amd64 or pure64? |
| 07:19.28 | imex | !libpng |
| 07:19.28 | dpkg | libpng is, like, at http://www.cdrom.com/pub/png/ |
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| 07:19.41 | Andy837 | what GUI should i use of debian, just was a basic gui for doing simple tasks. been told xfce, but it is testing / unstable for debian, doesn't sound too good! |
| 07:20.07 | bruzza | use e17 : |
| 07:20.08 | bruzza | :) |
| 07:20.09 | liable | A3K: oh. put it on a httpd. |
| 07:21.02 | liable | A3K: your interfaces could be as simple as http://channels.debian.net/paste/1127 |
| 07:21.30 | liable | A3K: and removing the auto bit from eth0 |
| 07:21.51 | liable | Andy837: xfce4 is in sarge.. |
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| 07:22.09 | Andy837 | ah ok :) |
| 07:22.14 | Andy837 | thanks :-) |
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| 07:22.48 | Gnea | liable: dude.. |
| 07:23.06 | liable | Gnea: what |
| 07:23.16 | Gnea | liable: do you know what time it is? |
| 07:23.36 | liable | Gnea: here? yes. 17:23 |
| 07:23.41 | Gnea | NO! |
| 07:23.45 | A3K | put wlan0 inet dhcp and essid "any" in my interfaces file will work? |
| 07:23.46 | liable | yes! |
| 07:23.50 | Gnea | liable: it's beer o'clock!! |
| 07:23.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:24.02 | liable | Gnea: hah, that was 3 hours ago! |
| 07:24.06 | bruzza | im goign to attempt to install debian onto a amd 64 bit processor. which arch/version of debian should i use ? |
| 07:24.08 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 07:24.13 | Gnea | liable: but wait |
| 07:24.18 | Gnea | liable: it's 3 hours ago!! |
| 07:24.39 | Gnea | !beer liable |
| 07:24.42 | Arsion | bruzza: good question. i'm wondering the same |
| 07:24.45 | liable | which admittadly isnt hard to do.. |
| 07:24.48 | bruzza | mad |
| 07:24.51 | liable | :) |
| 07:25.03 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 07:25.03 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 07:25.04 | liable | i wish i could spell too.. |
| 07:25.05 | A3K | liable: I know you probably get tired of dealing with lame greenhorns like myself. I appreciate your help. I really do. |
| 07:25.27 | liable | A3K: no. its fine. |
| 07:25.27 | Gnea | 'greenhorns'? |
| 07:25.50 | liable | leprehorns? |
| 07:25.53 | imex | anyone tried and sucessfully installed tvtim on sarge? |
| 07:25.58 | imex | *tvtime |
| 07:26.00 | A3K | should I insert wlan0 inet dhcp and essid "any" into my interfaces? |
| 07:26.16 | Gnea | A3K: if you did, would it work? |
| 07:26.21 | liable | A3K: just those three lines i pasted *should* work. |
| 07:26.49 | liable | (TM) |
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| 07:27.51 | imex | nvm i try something else then |
| 07:27.55 | liable | Gnea: it must be amphetamine'o'clock where you live? |
| 07:28.04 | liable | or coffee |
| 07:28.07 | liable | :P |
| 07:28.16 | A3K | do I need to do anything with the iface eth0 inet dhcp line? |
| 07:28.30 | liable | A3K: comment the auto line |
| 07:28.37 | liable | if there is one.. |
| 07:29.02 | liable | which there prolly is.. |
| 07:29.24 | A3K | the only auto line was the one you pasted and "auto lo" in the loopback network section |
| 07:29.34 | liable | thats fine then. |
| 07:29.43 | liable | A3K: paste the file. |
| 07:29.56 | A3K | done |
| 07:30.08 | liable | number? |
| 07:30.14 | A3K | does it matter the order...if the eth0 is first |
| 07:30.32 | A3K | plain text |
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| 07:30.48 | liable | A3K: no, whats the paste url? |
| 07:31.04 | liable | A3K: the whole file.. |
| 07:31.12 | A3K | oh...hang |
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| 07:31.14 | Darkintent | where do .deb files go when using fakeroot etc |
| 07:31.36 | Gnea | Darkintent: it usually says toward the end of the generation process |
| 07:32.05 | Darkintent | so what would ../what I built.deb be? |
| 07:32.06 | liable | Gnea: your .us? |
| 07:32.21 | Gnea | liable: no i'm .me |
| 07:32.31 | Darkintent | I dont understand what the .. means |
| 07:32.33 | A3K | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1128 |
| 07:32.49 | Gnea | Darkintent: the next directory down from the current working directory (CWD) |
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| 07:32.55 | liable | hahaha, fuck me, i almost did !me... |
| 07:33.00 | Arsion | what is a good email server for debian? |
| 07:33.03 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 07:33.15 | Gnea | Arsion: smtp? pop? imap? |
| 07:33.21 | Arsion | smtp and pop |
| 07:33.28 | Gnea | exim4+dovecot |
| 07:33.34 | Arsion | thanks |
| 07:33.37 | Gnea | np |
| 07:33.50 | Gnea | you should check out sa-exim as well |
| 07:33.57 | Arsion | whats that one for? |
| 07:34.17 | Gnea | it's a special pimped-up spamassassin plugin module for exim |
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| 07:34.32 | Arsion | ah, yes, spam killer...must have |
| 07:34.34 | A3K | liable so what do you think? |
| 07:34.38 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:34.43 | liable | A3K: about what? |
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| 07:34.48 | A3K | the paste |
| 07:34.55 | Arsion | exim will work with a console only debian system, right? |
| 07:35.01 | liable | oh, sorry was daydreaming..sec |
| 07:35.09 | Lewix | what's the best bootloader ? |
| 07:35.22 | Gnea | !best |
| 07:35.22 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:35.30 | Lewix | the best irc program in linux ? |
| 07:35.31 | A3K | should I save and reboot er...do it over...er...jump in a vat of mayonaisse/ |
| 07:35.38 | Arsion | irc = irssi IMHO |
| 07:35.40 | Lewix | shoul I choose grub or lilo ? |
| 07:35.42 | liable | A3K: looks fine. |
| 07:35.43 | Gnea | !tell Lewix about best |
| 07:35.59 | Gnea | Lewix: whatever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy |
| 07:36.03 | zeeble | Lewix: choose anything, since you dont know the difference, and read up. |
| 07:36.09 | liable | A3K: try ifdown wlan0 then ifup wlan0 , see what happens. |
| 07:36.10 | zeeble | then you'll become familiar. |
| 07:36.26 | Lewix | I mean Im really scared lol |
| 07:36.43 | Lewix | I want to be sure that there will be a dual boot after my installatin |
| 07:36.47 | Lewix | installation* |
| 07:36.49 | liable | !comfort Lewix |
| 07:36.50 | dpkg | There, there, Lewix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:36.50 | Gnea | well you can either drown in your fear or use it to your advantage |
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| 07:37.04 | zeeble | lilo and grub can both do dual boot. you just need to know what to do to enable dual boot. |
| 07:37.26 | Gnea | Lewix: have you used lilo or grub before? |
| 07:37.27 | Lewix | well whats the difference between both |
| 07:37.39 | liable | Lewix: use grub, and if you like gui stuff use xchat for irc. |
| 07:37.40 | Lewix | Gnea: I've just used knoppix |
| 07:37.41 | Gnea | !google lilo grub |
| 07:37.48 | dpkg | Google says lilo grub is at http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/903.htm or http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-custom-kernel-bootloader.html or http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LILOandGRUB or http://librenix.com/?inode=1691 or http://linux.ucla.edu/pipermail/linux/2003-May/008532.html |
| 07:37.57 | Gnea | Lewix: check the above urls |
| 07:38.06 | liable | yay, its almost raining... |
| 07:38.17 | Gnea | rain?!?! |
| 07:38.21 | Gnea | wtf is that... |
| 07:38.26 | Arsion | wait a minute....dpkg is able to check goolge and post the addy's that it gets? |
| 07:38.27 | liable | exactly! |
| 07:38.31 | Gnea | dude!! |
| 07:38.46 | Gnea | liable: do y ou live in a dry climate? |
| 07:38.46 | liable | wheres my car! |
| 07:38.51 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:38.57 | liable | Gnea: yep |
| 07:39.04 | Gnea | liable: same - az here |
| 07:39.15 | Arsion | liable: i stole it, took it for a spin. then let the groundhound drive it off a cliff |
| 07:39.23 | Arsion | hound=hog |
| 07:39.24 | liable | Gnea: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW4092.latest.shtml |
| 07:39.24 | A3K | I am going to reboot and see if it works... if it does I will drop back in and say goodnight...if not, goodnight |
| 07:39.37 | liable | bah. |
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| 07:40.03 | Gnea | liable: oh you're waaay down under :) |
| 07:40.04 | liable | have to beat the reboot out of another ex windows user.. |
| 07:40.18 | liable | Gnea: actually, sorta at the top.. :) |
| 07:40.20 | Gnea | liable: i've got your moon |
| 07:40.34 | liable | my moon? |
| 07:40.38 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:40.41 | Gnea | you've got my sun |
| 07:41.09 | Gnea | brb, need another beer |
| 07:41.14 | liable | backwards seasons? |
| 07:41.22 | Arsion | bah! *kills his burner* stupid thing! |
| 07:41.28 | liable | thats a good idea.. brb |
| 07:41.55 | Arsion | liable: what do ya mean 'beat the reboot out'? |
| 07:42.03 | Gnea | Arsion: oh good, my beer needs a coaster |
| 07:42.16 | liable | !reboot |
| 07:42.16 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 07:42.18 | Arsion | Gnea" lol |
| 07:42.22 | liable | Arsion: ^^ |
| 07:42.23 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:42.33 | Arsion | hmmm |
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| 07:42.42 | Gnea | Arsion: dude, you can just /etc/init.d/networking restart too |
| 07:42.44 | liable | !qotd2 |
| 07:42.45 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 07:42.55 | Gnea | well, if it's not auto then... yeah, ifup/ifdown |
| 07:43.10 | Arsion | that was other dude.. i was just wondering why it was said |
| 07:43.34 | Gnea | oh |
| 07:43.36 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:43.40 | liable | well, he's not back, so i guess the interfaces file failed in any rate.. |
| 07:43.49 | ryan- | i'm trying to install exim4, but dpkg is saying that netbase is broken... i tried dpkg-reconfigure netbase to no avail... any ideas? |
| 07:43.50 | Sazpaimon | Ok, so I completely screwed up my upgrade from stable to unstable |
| 07:43.56 | Arsion | looks like i need to learn about that too then. didnt know thats the ONLY need for a reboot |
| 07:43.57 | Sazpaimon | how do I revert back to stable? |
| 07:43.58 | liable | !pal Sazpaimon |
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| 07:44.10 | liable | Sazpaimon: you dont, you re-install |
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| 07:44.17 | Sazpaimon | yay |
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| 07:44.28 | Gnea | Arsion: the thing about linux is that it almost never needs to be rebooted - you can install new software and it "just works" most of the time |
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| 07:44.37 | liable | Sazpaimon: it only takes twenty minutes :) |
| 07:44.38 | Arsion | hmm |
| 07:44.45 | Gnea | especially with debian |
| 07:44.46 | Sazpaimon | liable, dedicated server |
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| 07:44.54 | Sazpaimon | OS Reloads take more than 20 minutes |
| 07:45.03 | Gnea | you may need to tweak some config files here and there, but otherwise it's nicely put together |
| 07:45.07 | liable | Sazpaimon: why the fuck would you want to run sid on a server? |
| 07:45.16 | liable | !pal Sazpaimon |
| 07:45.29 | Gnea | liable: i run sid on my server. :P |
| 07:45.39 | Sazpaimon | It worked find on all my other debian servers |
| 07:45.43 | Sazpaimon | *fine |
| 07:45.53 | Arsion | well, i cant say much. My original server was running serge in testing phase |
| 07:45.55 | liable | Gnea: yeah, but we all know about your mental faculties :) |
| 07:46.09 | valdyn_ | Sazpaimon: is did running accross the street blindly here, the last 17 times i tried |
| 07:46.13 | valdyn_ | Sazpaimon: as did running accross the street blindly here, the last 17 times i tried |
| 07:46.14 | Gnea | liable: hush:P |
| 07:46.23 | Sazpaimon | so there's no easy, or hell even complicated way to downgrade? |
| 07:46.31 | liable | !downgrade |
| 07:46.31 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 07:47.08 | Gnea | valdyn_: your mom the planetoid is sucking my large city of the orient terrific for greeting the bush of flame |
| 07:47.14 | jbmigel | howto convert gimp images to pdf? |
| 07:47.24 | liable | wow |
| 07:47.38 | Gnea | jbmigel: save to PNG, open with openoffice, click the 'save as pdf' |
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| 07:48.11 | Gnea | liable: i hate spammers :) |
| 07:48.38 | Gnea | but i find the websites that generate random noise fascinating for some reason |
| 07:48.39 | liable | Gnea: that comment to valdyn_ could almost be a !confuse factoid :P |
| 07:48.42 | valdyn_ | Sazpaimon: 20 minutes reinstall is alot easier than downgrading to sarge |
| 07:48.50 | Gnea | liable: hehe add it |
| 07:49.00 | Arsion | i agree liable |
| 07:49.02 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, like I said |
| 07:49.08 | Sazpaimon | OSReloads take longer |
| 07:49.11 | Sazpaimon | up tp 24 gours |
| 07:49.13 | mines---- | how to install image viewer |
| 07:49.14 | Sazpaimon | *hours |
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| 07:49.27 | Gnea | valdyn_: sorry, btw |
| 07:49.32 | sandman | diff .o .so .a files? |
| 07:49.41 | Gnea | sandman: indeed they are |
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| 07:50.02 | Arsion | is .o a 2.4 file and .so a 2.6 file? |
| 07:50.11 | Gnea | no. |
| 07:50.22 | Arsion | i remember reading somewhere thats how they differed |
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| 07:50.25 | Gnea | .o is an object file, .so is a shared library file |
| 07:50.31 | lunitik | object... static object... |
| 07:50.35 | lunitik | ahh... my bad |
| 07:50.35 | Arsion | ah |
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| 07:50.41 | imex | anyone knows what this is "freetype-config"? |
| 07:50.45 | Gnea | .a is static object |
| 07:51.03 | lunitik | Gnea: doh... sorry |
| 07:51.11 | Gnea | in kernel language, .o is a 2.4 and previous module, .ko is a 2.6 module |
| 07:51.23 | Gnea | lunitik: s'all good :) |
| 07:51.24 | Arsion | ah, thats what it was... .ko and .o |
| 07:51.30 | Gnea | yup :) |
| 07:51.31 | valdyn_ | imex: read the manpage? |
| 07:51.53 | imex | valdyn_, i am installing a program and that shown up as error |
| 07:52.13 | jbmigel | Gnea: Gnome pdf viewer reports: the pdf file is damaged or is not a pdf file... |
| 07:52.17 | lunitik | Just wondering, would Sun have to change the license of ZFS to include it in the kernel? |
| 07:52.31 | valdyn_ | imex: its used by the programs build system to find the freetype libraries / headers |
| 07:52.37 | Gnea | jbmigel: ok look... how big is the image? |
| 07:52.58 | lunitik | They can take GPL code and use it in Solaris now huh? Because they are keeping the modified work (or whatever) Open Source... |
| 07:53.04 | imex | valdyn_, just tried manpage, mayb i did wrong, can u point me the right direction? |
| 07:53.22 | jbmigel | Gnea your right, found it thanks |
| 07:53.36 | Gnea | jbmigel: :) |
| 07:54.11 | valdyn_ | imex: "apt-cache search freetype '\-dev'" |
| 07:54.11 | lunitik | s/the kernel/linux/ wow, I'm more tired than I though :( |
| 07:54.11 | Gnea | jbmigel: too many digital faxing situations to know better ;) |
| 07:54.11 | Arsion | alright all, i'm out for now. see everyone later *heads out to kill some horde in WoW* |
| 07:54.26 | lunitik | though* |
| 07:54.30 | lunitik | thought* :| |
| 07:54.50 | valdyn_ | lunitik: they can use it in the OS Solaris, not in the kernel Solaris, iirc |
| 07:55.01 | imex | valdyn_, then install all? |
| 07:55.35 | valdyn_ | imex: uh, what do you think? only the freetype dev stuff |
| 07:55.39 | jbmigel | Gnea im trying to print 400 gimp images in a office that still thinks gimp is some leather clad man-ina-box |
| 07:55.52 | liable | hah |
| 07:56.03 | imex | valdyn_, i m not good with this yet, consider me newbie plz |
| 07:56.04 | lunitik | valdyn_: why wouldn't they be able to use Linux kernel code in Solaris... according to the GPL, you just have to keep the modified work Open Source... and the CDDL is considered Open Source... |
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| 07:56.43 | valdyn_ | lunitik: no, you have to publish the modified work under GPL |
| 07:56.46 | DJ_Necrogami | in Debian Net install Disk is ACPI turned on? |
| 07:57.07 | Gnea | jbmigel: http://gnea.net/screenshot.pdf |
| 07:57.20 | valdyn_ | lunitik: and in kernel case, that would be the whole kernel |
| 07:57.33 | lunitik | valdyn_: ahh... thats kinda lame :( |
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| 07:58.04 | valdyn_ | lunitik: its necessary, since CDDL can ask for the same |
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| 07:58.54 | lunitik | valdyn_: CDDL does though, from what I understood from reading, its basically a BSD license with provisions pertaining to Sun still owning the code... |
| 07:58.56 | valdyn_ | lunitik: sun intentionally made the CDDL that way, they could have GPLed it too, but then linux kernel could grab solaris code |
| 07:59.17 | lunitik | valdyn_: imo, that would be mutually benificial... |
| 07:59.22 | DJ_Necrogami | is fluxbox avaliable in Debian? |
| 07:59.28 | valdyn_ | lunitik: probably, sun didnt want that though |
| 07:59.37 | beardy | DJ_Necrogami: Yes. |
| 07:59.42 | lunitik | DJ_Necrogami: pretty much, if its Open Source, and worth a damn, its in Debian... |
| 07:59.46 | beardy | !tell DJ_Necrogami -about search |
| 07:59.58 | Gnea | lunitik: linux sets itself up to be a black hole - it shouldn't |
| 07:59.59 | sandman | Which is faster, 2.4 or 2.6? Does it depend on the CPU? |
| 08:00.12 | Gnea | sandman: in x86, 2.6 |
| 08:00.22 | sandman | Gnea: Noticably? |
| 08:00.26 | Gnea | sandman: yes. |
| 08:00.32 | sandman | Neat++ |
| 08:00.42 | sandman | Anyone know what hte vga= line is for grub to get 800x600 framebuffer? |
| 08:00.50 | Gnea | DJ_Necrogami: oh hell yeah fluxbox is there |
| 08:00.58 | lunitik | sandman: 791 |
| 08:01.00 | beardy | sandman: using vesa fb? |
| 08:01.03 | sandman | lunitik: 791 is 1024x768 |
| 08:01.08 | sandman | beardy: Sure |
| 08:01.24 | lunitik | sandman: nah... 792 is 1024x768, thats what I use ;) |
| 08:01.48 | lunitik | I used to use 791, then I realized it was wrong :( |
| 08:01.50 | sandman | lunitik: Nah, 792 is a different bitdepth from 791. 791 is 16bpp |
| 08:01.52 | liable | why bother with framebuffer if you run 800x600 |
| 08:02.08 | Andy837 | i've installed xfce4 on debian, but i am hoping to do a bit move via GUI (manage users etc) |
| 08:02.23 | Andy837 | didnt want to install kde, but looks like im going to have to? |
| 08:02.29 | beardy | 312, 316, 318 IIRC, for 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, but I may be wrong :) long time since I used/tried framebuffer. |
| 08:02.36 | Gnea | sandman: 115 |
| 08:02.46 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 08:02.48 | liable | Andy837: sure, open xterm (in gui) and you can do everything you like :) |
| 08:02.50 | Gnea | sandman: 315 |
| 08:02.53 | sandman | THank you |
| 08:03.05 | Andy837 | still command bassed, i want a GUI for it ;) |
| 08:03.08 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.15 | imex | valdyn_, i tried install all and still having same error "error: freetype2 needed and freetype-config not found" where i have freetype2 deb done |
| 08:03.18 | Gnea | Andy837: write one ;) |
| 08:03.27 | irrlicht | hi everyone :) |
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| 08:03.35 | irrlicht | I don't know whether this is the right channel where to ask this question (and I'd like to ask pardon if I'm in the wrong place), but I have a problem with grub and my new (f****) usb keyboard....I can't use it to select and/or make changes to the grub menu :( (but I can use it inside BIOS) |
| 08:03.35 | lunitik | Andy837: why would you need KDE for such tools? and what related tools does KDE even offer? |
| 08:03.41 | liable | Andy837: i dare you to learn cli! |
| 08:03.45 | Andy837 | lol |
| 08:04.06 | lunitik | Andy837: it has VERY basic user configuration... but nothing you couldn't do with gnome-system-tools :/ |
| 08:04.13 | Gnea | irrlicht: have you enabled the use of usb keyboard/mouse in the bios? |
| 08:04.15 | valdyn_ | imex: dpkg -S /usr/bin/freetype-config |
| 08:04.16 | sandman | And how useful is udev for 2.6? |
| 08:04.25 | sandman | Is it really all that necessary if you're not using hotplug and the like? |
| 08:04.26 | irrlicht | I don't have any option about usb legacy in the BIOS....nor any PS/2 port |
| 08:04.34 | lunitik | Andy837: although their Guidence stuff isn't bad... but thats not even part of KDE atm |
| 08:04.48 | liable | Andy837: actually, any gnome or kde shits for doing that, can be used in xfce |
| 08:04.53 | Gnea | sandman: basically /dev is fairly empty and it creates all the device nodes for each piece of *real* hardware/software enabled |
| 08:05.03 | liable | Andy837: you just need to install em.. |
| 08:05.26 | sandman | Gnea: @ boot, of course. |
| 08:05.28 | Gnea | irrlicht: try another usb port |
| 08:05.41 | bruzza | use the cvs version of enlightenment |
| 08:05.44 | imex | valdyn_, working on that now |
| 08:05.51 | Gnea | oh |
| 08:05.53 | bruzza | mad desktop environment |
| 08:05.54 | sandman | Is there a security scanner that will scan everything on my hdd to determine if there are any security vulnerabilities on it? |
| 08:05.57 | Gnea | speaking of cvs enlightenment |
| 08:05.58 | deadcat | hows e17 working lately? |
| 08:06.02 | lunitik | bruzza: umm... whats that gotta do with anything? |
| 08:06.03 | imex | valdyn_, it says not found |
| 08:06.05 | Gnea | i hsould upgrade mine |
| 08:06.08 | liable | !qotd72 |
| 08:06.09 | dpkg | somebody said qotd72 was <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 08:06.10 | lunitik | bruzza: that doesn't help him at all... |
| 08:06.11 | irrlicht | Gnea: I have tried every port |
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| 08:06.12 | bruzza | just felt like chiming in :) |
| 08:06.13 | karsten | sandman: There's not a complete solution. |
| 08:06.25 | bruzza | what does he want? |
| 08:06.28 | sandman | :( |
| 08:06.30 | lunitik | bruzza: don't... especially when it comes to your preferences... |
| 08:06.38 | lunitik | bruzza: thats how flame wars happen |
| 08:06.43 | karsten | sandman: But a few things to look at include chkrootkit, bastille Linux, and whatever SATAN has become. |
| 08:06.48 | Gnea | irrlicht: do you have a usb->ps2 adapter or a spare ps2 keyboard? |
| 08:06.48 | bruzza | i wasn't starting a flame war |
| 08:06.55 | bruzza | you're th eone who got all uppity |
| 08:06.55 | beardy | sandman: depends on what you mean by "security vulnerabilities", but as karsten said, not one single thing that does it all, whatever it may be. |
| 08:06.57 | lunitik | bruzza: yes, yes you were |
| 08:06.57 | sandman | Well, okay. I recall there once being a bin that I saw on securityfocus.com that automagically updated its definitions and all that good stuff |
| 08:06.57 | karsten | sandman: Security is a process, not a product. |
| 08:07.08 | Gnea | lunitik: back off, i use e17 |
| 08:07.12 | liable | (TM) |
| 08:07.13 | bruzza | ive just come in here to be a part of a community |
| 08:07.15 | karsten | sandman: Actually, there is one sure-fire way to secure your computer. |
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| 08:07.21 | imex | dpkg -S /usr/bin/freetype-config |
| 08:07.21 | bruzza | but peopl elike you have to WRECK IT for all of us |
| 08:07.22 | sandman | Just by running it, it would scan out everything on your system, and give you a list of all vulnerabilities found |
| 08:07.24 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin/freetype-config package |
| 08:07.26 | karsten | sandman: And it's very simple and straightforward. Anyone can do it. |
| 08:07.26 | beardy | sandman: again, definitions of what? |
| 08:07.28 | sandman | karsten: Don't connect? |
| 08:07.32 | karsten | sandman: Unplug it ;-) |
| 08:07.35 | valdyn_ | !info libfreetype6-dev |
| 08:07.36 | irrlicht | Gnea: I have a usb-->ps/2 adapter, but no ps/2 port |
| 08:07.37 | Gnea | bruzza: chill. |
| 08:07.38 | lunitik | Gnea: you're not stating that fact when someone asks about User configuration though ;) |
| 08:07.39 | valdyn_ | !info libfreetype6-dev sarge |
| 08:07.42 | dpkg | libfreetype6-dev: (FreeType 2 font engine, development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.1.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB |
| 08:07.43 | karsten | sandman: What's your threat model? |
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| 08:07.46 | dpkg | libfreetype6-dev: (FreeType 2 font engine, development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.1.7-2.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 678 kB, Installed size: 3376 kB |
| 08:07.57 | sandman | karsten: I think I'll just go take a closer look @ securityfocus again |
| 08:08.03 | Gnea | irrlicht: embedded? |
| 08:08.14 | eeyore- | bruzza: eh? |
| 08:08.14 | valdyn_ | imex: its in the package dpkg listed... |
| 08:08.20 | valdyn_ | !tell imex -about search |
| 08:08.35 | irrlicht | Gnea: yes, but broken... |
| 08:08.44 | minesgm | anybody can help me how to install image viewer on terminal |
| 08:08.51 | karsten | sandman: For rootkits, chkrootkit. For corrupt package, debsums, PITA that it is. For general vulnerabilities... AIDE. |
| 08:08.54 | Gnea | irrlicht: hrm, is this a thinclient or..? |
| 08:08.58 | liable | minesgm: for what? |
| 08:09.13 | minesgm | image viewer for pictures |
| 08:09.15 | Gnea | minesgm: zgv |
| 08:09.20 | karsten | sandman: ... for network security issues, snort and related friends. |
| 08:09.32 | eeyore- | the latest aide has nicer output format |
| 08:09.37 | eeyore- | finally i like it (aide) |
| 08:09.41 | Gnea | lunitik: what for? there's no need anymore. |
| 08:09.43 | Brian_L | minesgm: seejpeg or cjpeg |
| 08:09.43 | karsten | sandman: The question is: what threats are you trying to protect against (what's your threat model), and how much are you going to work at it. |
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| 08:09.57 | imex | valdyn_, i am getting totally lost on that one |
| 08:09.59 | deadcat | 2.6.14 is nice (= |
| 08:10.04 | minesgm | ok |
| 08:10.13 | irrlicht | Gnea: no |
| 08:10.15 | valdyn_ | imex: apt-get install libfreetype6-dev |
| 08:10.19 | lunitik | Gnea: I found loading of things like kmail and gimp etc to be slow... maybe they changed something since last I used it? |
| 08:10.22 | sandman | karsten: I dunno. If there's a vulnerability, I'll apply the patch to fix it or disable the feature |
| 08:10.28 | karsten | sandman: chkrootkit, snort, and tiger are probably a good start. bastille or selinux would be another. |
| 08:10.35 | sandman | karsten: Patch being the patch to the sources, then rebuilding and reinstalling |
| 08:10.38 | Brian_L | minesgm: they wont work well in X |
| 08:10.42 | liable | hmm, time to eat. |
| 08:10.42 | sandman | karsten: Or, in the case that a simple upgrade can fix, I'll just do that |
| 08:10.50 | sandman | karsten: thx |
| 08:10.56 | karsten | sandman: plain b0rken software will tend to be updated via Debian security updates. Patching really isn't something you need to worry about. |
| 08:10.56 | Gnea | lunitik: well gimp only uses gtk, and e17 is constantly being changed, so last week's version is likely totally different from this week's |
| 08:11.01 | imex | valdyn_, it says not available |
| 08:11.09 | imex | valdyn_, going online to check |
| 08:11.11 | eeyore- | sandman: aide mails you summary of changed files, so you can see at a glance whether something on your computer changed, and whether it was legitimate change or not |
| 08:11.13 | valdyn_ | imex: are you using debian? |
| 08:11.21 | valdyn_ | imex: which debian release? |
| 08:11.23 | eeyore- | sandman: it's nice to use in addition to chkrootkit and firewall |
| 08:11.30 | Gnea | lunitik: they're full-steam, have been nearly all year now |
| 08:11.31 | karsten | sandman: If you're in a very critical situation, you might want to look at OpenBSD, which preemptively attacks a lot of vulns. Very good system to have in a tight box. |
| 08:11.44 | lunitik | Gnea: oh I know :) |
| 08:11.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:11.55 | imex | valdyn_, yep sarge and anyways found on site |
| 08:12.02 | imex | valdyn_, try now and c |
| 08:12.04 | lunitik | Gnea: although my main exposure has been via elive... |
| 08:12.09 | minesgm | thanks brian.. i will search for it |
| 08:12.16 | Gnea | lunitik: weak. |
| 08:12.29 | Gnea | elive is great though for showcasing |
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| 08:12.57 | lunitik | Gnea: haha... I usually just want to play with things... compiling things to play isn't very productive :( |
| 08:13.18 | lunitik | I'm usually over it before the compile finishes... hah |
| 08:13.21 | Gnea | lunitik: oddly enough, i don't compile to play. |
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| 08:13.40 | lunitik | Gnea: how do you get ahold of the latest and greatest then? |
| 08:13.50 | Gnea | lunitik: i wrote a script :) |
| 08:14.06 | Gnea | and i need to update the url...sec |
| 08:14.16 | lunitik | Gnea: blah, I think you had me test that a while ago... I seem to recall compiling being necissary ;) |
| 08:15.19 | Gnea | lunitik: the way the script i wrote is based, it is, but it takes care of all of that, assuming there isn't any snags in the current codebase that it snags ;) |
| 08:15.22 | irrlicht | is there any bootloader out there, which supports usb keyboards? |
| 08:15.42 | ws005 | hai |
| 08:15.46 | eeyore- | irrlicht: that's a bios thing |
| 08:15.48 | Gnea | irrlicht: it's all controlled by the bios dude, grub gets its IO info from the bios. |
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| 08:15.54 | lunitik | Gnea: what is the new site for Enlightenment? or is their site just plain down? |
| 08:15.59 | Brian_L | irrlicht: are you on a lptop? |
| 08:16.03 | Brian_L | *laptop |
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| 08:16.10 | irrlicht | yes |
| 08:16.11 | eeyore- | irrlicht: if you're talking about a custom boot loader for a custom environment, try "uboot" |
| 08:16.12 | lunitik | Gnea: (you said you need to change url, so just wondering...) |
| 08:16.21 | Gnea | lunitik: it's down, but they got a backup enlightenment.sf.net |
| 08:16.22 | imex | valdyn_, that was great help now another one i have to try myself b4 bothering u |
| 08:16.47 | Gnea | lunitik: i updated the script once on one system, but haven't published the changes since |
| 08:17.19 | tchino | has someone experience with shadows and transparenz with xorg under debian? My system is very slowly with that settings |
| 08:17.20 | lunitik | Gnea: I recall you saying you were thinking about making it produce a .deb... worked on that yet? |
| 08:17.35 | eeyore- | tchino: don't use it, then |
| 08:18.08 | Gnea | lunitik: naw, gave up - apparantly shadoi revamped his and made them better - i haven't tested those tho |
| 08:18.20 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 08:18.20 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 08:18.21 | eeyore- | tchino: (or, if you prefer, when you have transparency turned on, acceleration is usually off by default) |
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| 08:18.25 | tchino | eeyore: how can i switch off that in kde, i get at every new login the message, that i have not active that option in xorg.conf |
| 08:18.46 | Gnea | lunitik: i didn't see any point in reinventing the wheel :) |
| 08:18.47 | eeyore- | tchino: do you mean the xorg's compositing extension? or what? |
| 08:19.10 | eeyore- | tchino: if you're talking about kde's own special effects, use control panel (kcontrol?) to turn way down the special effects setting |
| 08:19.12 | tchino | eeyore: yes |
| 08:19.27 | lunitik | Gnea: true... would be nice if e17 was available in the archive though... much more useful :( |
| 08:19.45 | jbmigel | Gnea do you think there is a way i can script this .xcf -> .png -> .pdf loop im in... it's seriously 400 files |
| 08:19.49 | tchino | eeyore: where i found it in kcontrol |
| 08:20.02 | eeyore- | jbmigel: "convert" |
| 08:20.08 | eeyore- | jbmigel: part of ImageMagick |
| 08:20.22 | tchino | eeyore: i found it, thanks |
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| 08:20.37 | Jetty__ | .ÊÇÛÅ |
| 08:20.45 | Gnea | jbmigel: fuck... .xcf have any layers? |
| 08:20.54 | jbmigel | Gnea, ya a couple |
| 08:21.02 | Gnea | jbmigel: that might be an issue. |
| 08:21.19 | jbmigel | windows gimp wouldnt print them all for me at once... what the hell was that?? |
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| 08:21.23 | dondelelcaro | jbmigel: imagemagick should be able to do that conversion, but why exactly are you converting to pdf? |
| 08:21.34 | Gnea | heh, 'windows' |
| 08:22.41 | eeyore- | yeah, why not use universal format like jpg or something, no need for pdf viewer |
| 08:22.57 | ws005 | hai |
| 08:23.03 | Gnea | lunitik: but just for shits 'n giggles: http://gnea.net/debian_e17_install2cvs.sh |
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| 08:23.30 | imex | valdyn_, need some explanation on this one "X needed and no X libraries or development headers found" |
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| 08:23.48 | jbmigel | dondelelcaro the drawings were originally in .pdf before i put them in gimp to modify |
| 08:23.51 | irrlicht | lunitik: e17 is in the 'sid' archive....put this in your sources.list: "deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/ " |
| 08:23.51 | dondelelcaro | imex: you don't have xlibs-dev or whatever include files that application is looking for |
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| 08:24.08 | dondelelcaro | jbmigel: why did you go from pdf to xcf? xcf isn't a vector format. |
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| 08:24.46 | Gnea | irrlicht: either will work - my script just tells it to be bleeding edge ;) |
| 08:24.46 | irrlicht | well, not in the official archive... |
| 08:24.50 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: pdf doesn't have to be all-vector |
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| 08:25.02 | relaxed | we get signal. |
| 08:25.04 | jbmigel | dondelelcaro I dont need vectors i only needed a layer on top to highlight process pipelines on the drawings |
| 08:25.17 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 08:25.24 | jbmigel | *ditto* |
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| 08:25.38 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: yeah; but generaly if you bother to have something in pdf, you've got vectors. [unless you're doing something horrible.] |
| 08:25.50 | eeyore- | jbmigel: isn't it easier just to use illustrator? :-) |
| 08:25.59 | imex | dondelelcaro, cool now i have some directions |
| 08:26.01 | dondelelcaro | or sodipodi, or sketch, or... |
| 08:26.02 | eeyore- | jbmigel: you're already on windows, right? |
| 08:26.08 | Gnea | jbmigel: waitasec - you modified 400 pdf files only to find yourself with a truckload of pdf files and no easy way to convert them back over? |
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| 08:27.03 | lunitik | irrlicht: thanks :) |
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| 08:27.43 | thedingus | where is esd called when gdm is initialized? I need to set it to free the sound card after a bit so I don't have to kill every time |
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| 08:28.13 | dondelelcaro | thedingus: if you don't need esd, why do you have it installed? |
| 08:28.40 | thedingus | I like it but it gets in the way of my cedega |
| 08:29.31 | imex | dondelelcaro, thats alot of X packages, is there one that contains most needed? |
| 08:30.04 | irrlicht | lunitik: :) then you should run: #echo -ne "Package: enlightenment\nPin: version 0.16.9*\nPin-Priority: 999\n\nPackage: enlightenment-data\nPin: version 0.16.9*\nPin-Priority: 999" >>/etc/apt/preferences |
| 08:30.49 | Notturno | hello, sorry can someone write me what i have to do for add a local folder on my system to apt-get ? |
| 08:31.00 | sandman | It almost looks like wine is stabilizing. |
| 08:31.07 | lunitik | irrlicht: ahhh.... that _is_ e17 though? |
| 08:31.09 | Gnea | Notturno: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:31.19 | jbmigel | Gnea yes I have 400 gimp files and need to print them from computers without gimp |
| 08:31.37 | irrlicht | lunitik: yes :) |
| 08:31.38 | sandman | I could be wrong but.. it _appears_ like it is. |
| 08:31.42 | thedingus | dondek: do you know where the config is that calls esd apon starting gdm? |
| 08:31.57 | Gnea | jbmigel: are the layers meant to be on different pages? |
| 08:32.02 | sandman | Notturno: Yeah |
| 08:32.41 | lunitik | irrlicht: right now, it doesn't appear to be an issue, because regular enlightenment in debian is 0.16.7... would it still be necissary? or is the epoch lower? :( |
| 08:32.44 | sandman | Notturno: deb file:/who/what/were/andwhen something main |
| 08:34.35 | Notturno | i have edited my sources.list but apt-get seeks the file packages.gz that there isn't |
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| 08:34.49 | irrlicht | lunitik: 0.16.7 is the 'old' version...0.16.9* is the name e17 will have till it won't be released |
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| 08:35.31 | lunitik | irrlicht: I understand... but right now, wouldn't apt automagically pull in 0.16.99999999? |
| 08:36.44 | lunitik | irrlicht: failing that, you gonna be around in like 20-30 mins while I reinstall (easiest way to clean up system a lil...) |
| 08:37.09 | valdyn_ | lunitik: apt-cache show enlightenment | grep -i version |
| 08:37.14 | irrlicht | lunitik: if you haven't created /etc/apt/preferences it won't |
| 08:37.55 | irrlicht | lunitk: are you going to kill your system?! ....why ?! |
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| 08:38.11 | lunitik | irrlicht: you'll be here in like 10 mins... long enough for a base + irrsi install? |
| 08:38.26 | hefty | my AT sign and the pipeline is not working any longer with x.org, although I do hve keyboard as pc105 configured. any suggestions? |
| 08:38.46 | lunitik | well... base + irssi + screen, cuz not being able to copy paste is annoying :( |
| 08:40.43 | imex | valdyn_ and dondelelcaro : thanks both, you guys been great help |
| 08:41.16 | irrlicht | lunitk: i don't understand.... |
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| 08:47.57 | sandman | Man sometimes I wish linux didn't start up to fsckin slow |
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| 08:49.28 | relaxed | sandman: bring me a dream |
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| 08:50.28 | Cvbge | Hi |
| 08:50.33 | beardy | sandman: don'tstopit then? |
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| 08:50.50 | sandman | well it keeps crashing |
| 08:50.53 | kioto | hi all |
| 08:50.55 | sandman | freezing. But I think it's hardware probloems |
| 08:51.03 | Cvbge | I want to be able to input chinese characters, what's the best way (docs to read)? |
| 08:51.14 | beardy | damn, that's the worse one I've typed today, better leave.. |
| 08:51.47 | beardy | sandman: yes, check your hardware, memtest86 and so on |
| 08:52.28 | sandman | beardy: Well, it's funny that linux still runs as stable as it does on almost totally broken hardware |
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| 08:52.45 | sandman | I'm running it on a P150MHz laptop compaq armada from like 10 years ago |
| 08:52.51 | sandman | the hdd already died a couple times. Like, it made noise |
| 08:53.00 | sandman | a loud screeching soudn. Has done that twice so far during hte life of the laptop |
| 08:53.10 | sandman | The CD-ROM is always giving read errors, and makes strange noises |
| 08:53.21 | sandman | The touchpad is smashed in on the upperright, but it still works |
| 08:53.23 | lunitik | Anyone care to copy and paste that /etc/apt/preferences line real fast? |
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| 08:53.42 | sandman | And part of it has been melted from what I think is the sun |
| 08:54.02 | sandman | This laptop can't even begin to think about windows. But I tried Sarge, and by god it's actually almost working |
| 08:54.09 | beardy | sandman: heh, yeah, sounds like it's a wonder it still runs then :) |
| 08:54.10 | sandman | Oh yeah, the hdd has bad sectors all over the fsckin place, too |
| 08:54.33 | beardy | !comfort lunitik |
| 08:54.34 | dpkg | There, there, lunitik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 08:55.28 | lunitik | sandman: the apt/preferences line that was sent to me, could you please copy and paste it for me? |
| 08:55.31 | beardy | lunitik: that line? which line? |
| 08:55.45 | lunitik | beardy: it was like 10 mins ago maybe... not even really |
| 08:55.49 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 08:55.50 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is rumour has it, popularity contest is http://popcon.debian.org/, or install popularity-contest to take part |
| 08:55.54 | beardy | lunitik: said by who? |
| 08:56.07 | lunitik | irr<something> if I recall |
| 08:56.18 | lunitik | He appears to have left though :( |
| 08:56.37 | lunitik | beardy: was said towards end of Englightenment discussion... |
| 08:57.03 | tcsetattr | you have no scrollback? |
| 08:57.14 | lunitik | tcsetattr: I just reinstalled... |
| 08:57.19 | beardy | < irrlicht> lunitik: :) then you should run: #echo -ne "Package: enlightenment\nPin: version 0.16.9*\nPin-Priority: 999\n\nPackage: enlightenment-data\nPin: version 0.16.9*\nPin-Priority: 999" >>/etc/apt/preferences |
| 08:57.27 | lunitik | beardy: thank you :) |
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| 08:57.35 | beardy | no problem |
| 08:58.42 | tarzeau | know what's funny. according to http://popcon.debian.org/ there's more sid users (well at least more sid users use popularity-contest) |
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| 09:01.01 | beardy | tarzeau: That makes sort of sense though, doesn't it? sid users are more familliar with debian, and (should, perhaps) know more about that package too? |
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| 09:01.40 | SimonRaven | read my mind |
| 09:01.45 | beardy | tarzeau: I don't think it's mentioned anywhere when installing, or such, so people have to stumble upon it, or look quite hard. |
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| 09:03.47 | Gyuszk | re |
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| 09:04.28 | beardy | !tell Gyuszk -about away |
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| 09:06.27 | liable | tarzeau: do you maintain popcon? |
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| 09:09.20 | SimonRaven | here we go with the idiotic spam bots again |
| 09:09.59 | liable | !kill spambots |
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| 09:12.17 | SimonRaven | such crappy writing too. |
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| 09:19.45 | liable | i have to work on sunday :( |
| 09:19.56 | tarzeau | liable: no, why? |
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| 09:20.25 | tarzeau | beardy: it was planned to be in the d-i, a question, but got removed |
| 09:20.35 | silverton_ | if I were trying to access a password protected website with links, how would I input my username and password? |
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| 09:21.10 | tarzeau | silverton_: it would ask for login/password |
| 09:21.19 | liable | tarzeau: power line faults. (i am the local chopper pilot) |
| 09:21.34 | silverton_ | it's not, it is taking me straight to an "authorization required" page |
| 09:21.40 | SimonRaven | liable: oh, wow |
| 09:21.57 | liable | tarzeau: lightning blows the wooden power poles to smithereens. |
| 09:22.01 | SimonRaven | liable: well, have fun, and be safe then |
| 09:22.15 | tarzeau | liable: do you ever get to play nethack? |
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| 09:22.27 | liable | tarzeau: nup, never tried it. |
| 09:22.51 | tarzeau | liable: chopper's a helicopter? |
| 09:23.00 | liable | tarzeau: yeah. |
| 09:23.21 | tarzeau | liable: got photos from above? |
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| 09:23.40 | liable | tarzeau: lots. if you want to be bored. :) |
| 09:23.50 | tarzeau | liable: please |
| 09:24.32 | liable | tarzeau: http://short.dyndns.org/2004 |
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| 09:25.11 | liable | tarzeau: oops |
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| 09:25.30 | liable | tarzeau: dont even know my own addresses :) http://short.dyndns.org/pics/2004.html |
| 09:27.04 | Brian_L | liable: wow, nice pics |
| 09:27.29 | liable | thanks |
| 09:28.40 | SimonRaven | wow, that's pretty |
| 09:29.10 | Aerk | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,) |
| 09:29.28 | Aerk | I just compiled my own kernel. |
| 09:29.33 | Andy837 | i've got a big error when running "startx" |
| 09:29.34 | Andy837 | Fatal server error: |
| 09:29.34 | Andy837 | failed to initialize core devices |
| 09:29.34 | liable | :) |
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| 09:30.18 | Aerk | Andy837: Mouse? |
| 09:30.26 | Andy837 | all plugged up an working |
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| 09:30.50 | Andy837 | i installed xfce4 and removed it |
| 09:30.51 | liable | Andy837: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 09:30.53 | Andy837 | then installed kde |
| 09:32.18 | Andy837 | check #floor for output |
| 09:32.22 | Andy837 | check #flood for output |
| 09:32.30 | tarzeau | liable: where is that? |
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| 09:32.45 | tarzeau | liable: interesting how different your laundry/bathroom and bedroom looks |
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| 09:32.57 | tarzeau | and kitchen |
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| 09:33.21 | Wansti | hi |
| 09:33.32 | liable | tarzeau: heh |
| 09:33.44 | Wansti | does anyone know why KDM keeps restarting after login? |
| 09:33.54 | Aerk | What might cause this error? |
| 09:34.00 | xbmodder | no |
| 09:34.10 | tarzeau | liable: can you also fly a cessna? |
| 09:34.11 | liable | tarzeau: mitchell plateau national park (north west kimberley W.A) |
| 09:34.12 | Andy837 | any idea - from my output? |
| 09:34.31 | liable | tarzeau: no, never flown a plane. |
| 09:34.35 | Wansti | apparently it has something to do with KDM parsing the profile files... but i can't find the problem |
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| 09:34.58 | Aerk | I couldn't get suspend to work with the stock kernel so I compiled my own 2.6.14. Now it won't boot without this error. |
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| 09:36.07 | Aerk | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 09:36.23 | liable | Andy837: what protocol did you specify, and what mouse? |
| 09:36.42 | liable | Andy837: meaning, what is the mouse? |
| 09:36.46 | Andy837 | generic |
| 09:36.53 | liable | what? |
| 09:36.54 | Andy837 | there isn't actually one local to the server |
| 09:37.26 | liable | Andy837: nothing plugged into the machine? |
| 09:37.29 | Andy837 | it worked fine before |
| 09:37.30 | qoco | Hi.. I just installed Debian testing AMD64 version. Now I have to recompile the kernel. How can I do this? There are no files/directories in /usr/src |
| 09:37.34 | Andy837 | no, other than a network cable |
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| 09:37.52 | tarzeau | qoco: www.kernel.org |
| 09:37.55 | liable | Andy837: why have x then? |
| 09:37.59 | Aerk | Hmm, maybe initrd is screwed up. |
| 09:38.20 | Andy837 | VNC |
| 09:38.46 | liable | Andy837: dont be a girl and just use ssh with screen :) |
| 09:38.52 | qoco | tarzeau: thanks. how can i get the exact version of my kernel? kernelversion shows only 2.6 |
| 09:38.57 | Andy837 | lol, i am a totaly newbie! |
| 09:38.58 | tarzeau | qoco: uname -a |
| 09:39.08 | qoco | tarzeau: thanks again |
| 09:39.08 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:39.08 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:39.26 | Andy837 | :) |
| 09:39.28 | tarzeau | qoco: if you are in sid, you can sometimes also get the latest kernel source using apt-get source |
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| 09:39.41 | tarzeau | qoco: you find the kernel configs in /boot/conf* , also check for make-kpkg |
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| 09:40.54 | obsvuugj | how do I install this mouse theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27913 ? I am on Xfce |
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| 09:41.14 | tarzeau | liable: beautiful really. how much people in your city? |
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| 09:41.27 | obsvuugj | does it work on xfce ? |
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| 09:42.08 | tarzeau | obsvuugj: yes it should work on anything, xfce is just an x window manager |
| 09:42.19 | qoco | hmm.. ok. i'm pretty new to linux, so sorry for my noobieness. :) the amd cpu driver readme wants me to recompile the kernel. my kernel version is 2.6.12-1-amd64-generic. can i (re?)compile the newest version? |
| 09:42.26 | tarzeau | obsvuugj: seriously those mouse cursors look horribly ugly |
| 09:42.35 | obsvuugj | no they R nice :) |
| 09:42.36 | tarzeau | obsvuugj: besides they are wrong (windows like), white inside, black border |
| 09:42.46 | tarzeau | i've never seen so ugly mouse cursors. EVER |
| 09:43.17 | obsvuugj | tarzeau> well... I like them :) |
| 09:43.17 | cahoot | - |
| 09:43.22 | kikinovak | Hi. I'm a long-time Slack user, and I want to give Debian Sarge a try. First impression: I like it! First problem: my NVidia card. I chose "Desktop" at the installer, now question: how do I startup in console mode instead of GDM? With Slack, I have to edit /etc/inittab, but what is the Debian equivalent? |
| 09:43.38 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 09:43.38 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 09:43.48 | liable | tarzeau: where i am atm, maybe 2 thousand. |
| 09:44.04 | hoopotus | How could I get a serial mouse to work on Linux? It seems that it isn't detected or taken into use automatically. |
| 09:44.42 | djp | should i use any form of security on a standalone desktop running debian 3.1? i have an adsl connection to the internet, on all the time when my machine is booted... |
| 09:44.55 | hoopotus | I haven't tried any text-mode programs, for example, which need a mouse, but X's arrow doesn't move at all. |
| 09:45.03 | ciaron | i've just deleted ~1G of files, but df it still showing no free disc space, what gives? |
| 09:45.14 | Lightning|Zzzz | kikinovak, the best solution to remove DM is "rcconf" |
| 09:45.22 | tarzeau | hoopotus: x, gpm or svgalib? |
| 09:45.40 | Lightning|Zzzz | it is a ncurses based rc configure utility |
| 09:45.41 | hoopotus | tarzeau, I'm sorry but I don't know anything about gpm or svgalib |
| 09:45.43 | tarzeau | hoopotus: which x version? xorg? xfree86? got sid? |
| 09:45.47 | Andy837 | so can anyone help to why KDE wont start? |
| 09:45.54 | tarzeau | Andy837: #debian-kde |
| 09:46.05 | hoopotus | tarzeau: I only know that the Linux is Ubuntu 5.10 |
| 09:46.05 | Silent_al | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.06 | djp | !alsa |
| 09:46.06 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 09:46.08 | tarzeau | hoopotus: then you want it for x, tried !rcx |
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| 09:46.11 | Silent_al | what is that mean? |
| 09:46.11 | kikinovak | Lightning|Zzzz just run rcconf as root, and then...? |
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| 09:46.17 | obsvuugj | Andy837> does X start ? |
| 09:46.18 | liable | Andy837: its complaining about devices that arent there. |
| 09:46.32 | bathini | How do I work with wine? |
| 09:46.52 | tarzeau | !signatures |
| 09:46.52 | Lightning|Zzzz | kikinovak, yes, just run it ,you will get the point |
| 09:47.01 | kikinovak | Lightning|Zzzz ok thanks |
| 09:47.10 | tarzeau | dpkg signatures is echo 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 09:47.10 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 09:47.17 | tarzeau | Silent_al: for you |
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| 09:47.34 | tarzeau | bathini: water-resistant dress? |
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| 09:47.49 | tarzeau | bathini: wine the.exe don't work? |
| 09:47.58 | obsvuugj | how do I install this mouse theme ? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27913 |
| 09:48.03 | hoopotus | tarzeau: could you tell me what I should type on text-mode to take the serial mouse into use, because X starts automatically and I'm not able to do anything in X without a mouse |
| 09:48.12 | Silent_al | tarzeau . i get this msg when i apt-get update debian-marillat |
| 09:48.15 | Silent_al | sources |
| 09:48.17 | tarzeau | obsvuugj: the instructions are online i think |
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| 09:48.30 | obsvuugj | yeah but it is for KDE and i am on Xfce |
| 09:48.38 | tarzeau | hoopotus: press shift numlock, you can use the mouse cursor with the keyboard |
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| 09:48.51 | tarzeau | hoopotus: also good window managers can be used without mouse |
| 09:48.59 | hoopotus | tarzeau: alright, that is great :] |
| 09:49.05 | megabit | Hi |
| 09:49.26 | tarzeau | obsvuugj: no it's for X11 |
| 09:49.31 | tarzeau | obsvuugj: it's not specific to KDE |
| 09:49.40 | hoopotus | tarzeau I'll go to Linux now and see if the mouse can be activated somewhere... thank you. |
| 09:49.53 | tarzeau | hoopotus: good luck, it can't be that hard |
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| 09:49.58 | hoopotus | yep |
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| 09:50.55 | djp | is iptables installed by default? |
| 09:50.58 | ebw | Is there a viewer that can handle all of pdf, dvi, ps ? |
| 09:51.01 | tarzeau | djp: no |
| 09:51.05 | megabit | CAn you help me? I dont know how can I test my CDrw/dvd driver. - I have some problem with K3b. I have TOSHIBA CDW/DVD SD-R2612 and I burning on verbatin CD-RW - 8x - 12x and it say your cdrom or your medium doesnt support this speed and it start burning 4x. And I dont know why. |
| 09:51.14 | liable | djp: yes, its in the kernel. |
| 09:51.16 | tarzeau | ebw: gv? |
| 09:51.29 | tarzeau | liable: i guess he means the tool to control it |
| 09:51.32 | djp | tarzeau, ah, thanks. is it recommended to have iptables installed for security purposes? |
| 09:51.37 | tarzeau | djp: no |
| 09:51.42 | ebw | tarzeau: Oh, I thought it was only for ps |
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| 09:51.54 | SimonRaven | megabit: slower is generally better anyway. less chance of a bad burn |
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| 09:51.58 | tarzeau | djp: but you might want to read !harden-doc |
| 09:51.59 | ebw | tarzeau: Is there a nice frontend to gv ? |
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| 09:52.02 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 09:52.02 | dpkg | harden-doc is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 09:52.07 | tarzeau | ebw: the shell? |
| 09:52.09 | djp | tarzeau, so i should be safe running a default install of debian with my home pc and an adsl connection? |
| 09:52.12 | jonx | how would I tell apt to install all dependencies as well? it is trying to install something and it stops because it says i have unmet dependencies |
| 09:52.30 | tarzeau | ebw: not sure if it can do dvi |
| 09:52.35 | SimonRaven | djp: keep it up to date, and you should be ok |
| 09:52.43 | ebw | tarzeau: I thought of a nice click gui for x. |
| 09:52.43 | tarzeau | djp: depends on the software you install |
| 09:52.51 | tarzeau | djp: i wouldn't run wu* stuff |
| 09:53.01 | tarzeau | djp: but otherwise, yeah, very safe. we do that at work |
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| 09:53.12 | dli | ebw: I think gv is the frontend |
| 09:53.16 | djp | tarzeau, ok, great. |
| 09:53.18 | tarzeau | djp: with 11 gb of software installed, no firewall, no iptables nothing. see http://bb.phys.ethz.ch/ |
| 09:53.28 | megabit | SimonRaven, I know it, but when I want burn bigger speed What must I do? |
| 09:53.35 | djp | thanks tarzeau |
| 09:53.42 | SimonRaven | live with it |
| 09:53.47 | tarzeau | djp: it's even pretty safe with plenty of local users |
| 09:54.15 | Aerk | On my Thinkpad R30 the APM sleep doesn't fully work (the fan is still spinning,) and ACPI suspend crashes the laptop (it makes a sound and then all the lights illuminate and the laptop is crashed.) |
| 09:54.16 | tarzeau | djw: besides it's not the software (iptables) but the admin (human) who makes it secure or not |
| 09:54.41 | ebw | hmm gv can't do dvi, and it has some nasty other things, too. Such as a black line, whenever you scroll. |
| 09:54.54 | tarzeau | ebw: yeah |
| 09:55.11 | tarzeau | ebw: who generates those pdf/ps/dvi of you? |
| 09:55.29 | dli | ebw: gv does ps/pdf |
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| 09:55.47 | dli | ebw: I don't know "a black line" :( |
| 09:55.54 | ebw | tarzeau: A lot of people, get them from all over the net. |
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| 09:56.14 | ebw | dli: If I scroll there is a black line over the whole document for a second or so.. |
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| 09:56.45 | tarzeau | ebw: can you make a screenshot? |
| 09:57.19 | talk | cu |
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| 09:57.36 | talk | *looks for the disconnect button* |
| 09:57.39 | talk | lol... |
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| 09:57.46 | dli | tarzeau, "for a second or so" |
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| 09:57.56 | ebw | tarzeau: How? |
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| 09:58.08 | tarzeau | ebw: sleep 1 ; scrot peng.png |
| 09:58.18 | tarzeau | ebw: then scroll around to make the lines within that second |
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| 09:58.33 | tarzeau | dli: obviously it's annoying the user |
| 09:58.33 | liable | haha i=spambot.. |
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| 09:58.58 | dli | tarzeau, I would suggest to install another version of gv |
| 09:59.07 | dli | tarzeau, like ggv |
| 09:59.17 | tarzeau | ebw: that is all for you |
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| 10:00.40 | ebw | tarzeau: thanks, I'll do the screenshot now. |
| 10:01.13 | tarzeau | ebw: you might want to tell us dpkg -l gv as well |
| 10:01.49 | tarzeau | the sarge gs/gv are ugly anyways (crashed a few machines with a few documents). |
| 10:02.01 | tarzeau | a later version from sid backported fixed it all |
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| 10:02.14 | mhall | Hey everybody. What the fuck's up in here? |
| 10:02.23 | jnc | hey, what the f!@# is up with disappearing GNOME Applications menu? |
| 10:02.29 | jnc | i know some of you have experienced this |
| 10:02.34 | tarzeau | jnc: go report it, bugs.debian.org |
| 10:02.49 | jnc | tarzeau: i don't even know why or if it's confirmable |
| 10:02.56 | tarzeau | mhall: you've drunken too much? |
| 10:03.10 | tarzeau | jnc: i don't give a fucking shit about gnome |
| 10:03.24 | tarzeau | jnc: yes i know why. because gnome is just the worst software i've ever seen |
| 10:03.34 | jnc | tarzeau: troll home |
| 10:03.36 | Aerk | Well, I got my compiled 2.6.14 kernel to boot on the Thinkpad R30... now I'll cross my fingers and try ACPI suspend (sleep.) |
| 10:03.37 | jnc | anyone else? |
| 10:03.47 | tarzeau | jnc: read the sid faq |
| 10:03.55 | jnc | again? |
| 10:04.05 | jnc | i've read it twice already |
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| 10:04.22 | tarzeau | jnc: you might want to tell the menu/gnome versions you have |
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| 10:04.37 | tarzeau | jnc: and the window manager you use, including its version |
| 10:04.49 | tarzeau | jnc: it's like "i've got a car, and i've got a problem with a display panel" |
| 10:04.52 | tarzeau | HA HA |
| 10:04.52 | Silent_al | tarzeau i added this line APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes"; in my apt.conf file |
| 10:05.00 | Silent_al | still same error msg :\ |
| 10:05.08 | tarzeau | Silent_al: oh then it's something else, i don't know |
| 10:05.15 | tarzeau | Silent_al: it doesn't ask you for yes/no? |
| 10:05.17 | jnc | tarzeau: irregardless of those versions, why would the GNOME Applications menu disappear? |
| 10:05.22 | Silent_al | nope |
| 10:05.25 | jnc | it blinks on, and then disappears |
| 10:05.36 | tarzeau | jnc: i guess it's some bugs, so it appears, just very shortly? |
| 10:05.38 | jnc | i've seen one or two reports of this in some french forums |
| 10:05.55 | SeTog3 | Hi |
| 10:05.58 | jnc | well, i click, i see that the widget gets drawn and painted, then, poof |
| 10:05.58 | tarzeau | jnc: did you do any updates of any packages from when it worked until now that it doesn't work? |
| 10:06.07 | ebw | tarzeau: I've got it, what to do now with peng.png? |
| 10:06.11 | tarzeau | jnc: can you make a movie of it, say with xvidcap ? |
| 10:06.15 | jnc | ooh |
| 10:06.18 | jnc | there's a cool idea |
| 10:06.24 | tarzeau | ebw: put it to /var/www and install an http server and tell us your ip |
| 10:06.25 | Hatter | i have just dd'd a hardrive from a small ide to a large sata, when i chroot into it to change grub it is showing in 'df' the root partition as the ide drive, i don't know why, can somebody give me a clue please ? |
| 10:06.43 | tarzeau | jnc: xvidcap is stuck in i.d.o , but i've got a package somewhere if you want |
| 10:06.58 | mhall | tarzeau: nope |
| 10:07.05 | jnc | tarzeau: got a source package? (amd64 here) |
| 10:07.06 | ebw | tarzeau: Sorry, but I'm behind an gateway doing NAT, I don't have access to. Now way to come through. |
| 10:07.09 | mhall | tarzeau: i had about three shots of whiskey a few hours ago |
| 10:07.11 | tarzeau | Hatter: you mounted the large sata drive and chrooted into it? |
| 10:07.23 | tarzeau | mhall: and you didn't end up in bed ? |
| 10:07.29 | tarzeau | jnc: sure, let me find it |
| 10:07.29 | mhall | tarzeau: the only thing i've been doing is swearing too much (if you take kingsley's word for it) |
| 10:07.36 | liable | hah |
| 10:07.45 | tarzeau | mhall: heh |
| 10:07.45 | mhall | tarzeau: yeah i am headed there but i'm iming with my best friend and he's a slow imer |
| 10:07.59 | mhall | tarzeau: so in the mean time i figured i'd see what was crackin in #debian |
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| 10:08.14 | mhall | perhaps see if i could offer one of my many quick hacks to help a user |
| 10:08.18 | tarzeau | jnc: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/xvidcap/ |
| 10:08.32 | mhall | jnc: fwiw, irregardless is not a word |
| 10:08.52 | ebw | tarzeau: Wasn't there an irc way to send you the file? |
| 10:08.53 | jnc | mhall: ty idk |
| 10:08.57 | tarzeau | jnc: you'll have to take care of the build deps yourself |
| 10:09.04 | tarzeau | ebw: yes /dcc send, but i can't recieve them |
| 10:09.06 | Hatter | tarzeau: yes, using knoppix to to boot into, mount /dev/sda2 /mnt, chroot mnt, df, shows /dev/hda2 / |
| 10:09.10 | tarzeau | ebw: can you not install thttpd for example? |
| 10:09.32 | tarzeau | mhall: yes would be lovely, to see you help weekend people in here ;) |
| 10:09.46 | ebw | tarzeau: You can't access me by ip, you'll end up in the gateway doing nat for me. |
| 10:09.54 | jnc | tarzeau: 'course :) |
| 10:09.57 | tarzeau | Hatter: why don't you remove the small hd and then boot the new hd? |
| 10:10.02 | mhall | tarzeau: yeah about that |
| 10:10.07 | mhall | tarzeau: i really do want to help them |
| 10:10.10 | tarzeau | ebw: fix the nat to do a redirection then? |
| 10:10.16 | mhall | tarzeau: but i haven't figured out how to get through to them yet |
| 10:10.18 | kioto | i have compiled a kernel on my debian and i have compiled like modules |
| 10:10.22 | kioto | alsa module |
| 10:10.33 | mhall | tarzeau: it's not due to laziness or uncaring though |
| 10:10.34 | ebw | tarzeau: As I said, I don't have access to that machine doing nat ... |
| 10:10.42 | mhall | tarzeau: just due to not understanding what they need |
| 10:10.43 | jnc | kioto: using module-assistant? |
| 10:10.44 | Hatter | tarzeau: that is what i have done, the ide is not connected, booting from the sata gets kernel panic |
| 10:10.45 | tarzeau | mhall: no doubts, you're a very fine person |
| 10:10.56 | tarzeau | mhall: a cluebat, didn't you see the other guy |
| 10:11.04 | liable | mhall: congrats, you're #1! |
| 10:11.11 | tarzeau | Hatter: what kernel? |
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| 10:11.13 | kioto | jnc, usually i don't use linux like media box |
| 10:11.20 | tarzeau | Hatter: hah, sata eh? you need a real kernel. not a debian kernel ;) |
| 10:11.25 | Hatter | tarzeau: kernel 2.6.7 |
| 10:11.29 | tarzeau | Hatter: funny ;) |
| 10:11.38 | kioto | can you explain how to check to know is all needed is ok ? |
| 10:11.45 | tarzeau | Hatter: did you compile an own linux kernel yet? |
| 10:11.46 | jnc | Hatter: i have no PATA on this box. SATA hard disk, SATA optical r/w dvd drive |
| 10:11.49 | Hatter | tarzeau: oops 2.6.8-2 |
| 10:11.53 | tarzeau | Hatter: get the 2.4.32 source to your small hd into /usr/src |
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| 10:11.57 | jnc | Hatter: debian kernels are not sufficient |
| 10:11.57 | tarzeau | Hatter: same shit |
| 10:12.03 | liable | meh, sarge kernel works for my sata. |
| 10:12.09 | liable | Hatter: 2.6.7? |
| 10:12.15 | tarzeau | liable: it didn't for the sata we had at work |
| 10:12.18 | jnc | 2.6.12 maybe working for the hard drives |
| 10:12.30 | ebw | tarzeau: As I said, I don't have access to that machine doing nat ... |
| 10:12.32 | liable | Hatter: that must be a fucking old sarge testing kernel.. |
| 10:12.33 | mhall | liable: yee-haw! 3y3 15 73|-| \/\/1|\| |
| 10:12.34 | Hatter | liable: 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 10:12.37 | jnc | you'd need experimental installer snapshot builds to get it in, and a PATA optical drive |
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| 10:12.46 | tarzeau | ebw: oh, do you have access to the person that has access to the machine doing nat? |
| 10:12.54 | mhall | tarzeau: thanks, i appreciate the positive words |
| 10:13.03 | mhall | tarzeau: you too are a good help in the channel |
| 10:13.12 | mhall | tarzeau: and better at braving the weekend than am i |
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| 10:13.15 | jnc | after it's installed, the 2.6.8 kernel gets put on the system and you'll need to manually poke 2.6.12 or better onto the chroot |
| 10:13.16 | Hatter | tarzeau: no - stock debian kernel |
| 10:13.27 | shernas | Hello, could you please tell me where is the masquerade an iptables options in kernel 2.6.14.2 ? :) |
| 10:13.29 | mhall | i'm somewhat of a debian prgamatist |
| 10:13.40 | tarzeau | Hatter: well it won't work |
| 10:13.41 | mhall | i can think of a quick hack to just get the damn thing working |
| 10:13.47 | tarzeau | Hatter: do what i said and then say you are ready |
| 10:13.49 | mhall | it might not be pretty or do exactly what you want |
| 10:13.50 | liable | tarzeau: yeah, but i have a shitty 1210 :) |
| 10:14.01 | mhall | but it will get you 80% of the way with 20% of the effort and headache |
| 10:14.02 | tarzeau | mhall: thank you |
| 10:14.09 | ebw | tarzeau: Not at the weekend. |
| 10:14.23 | tarzeau | mhall: i'm sure you're like that also in real life, for any kind of things |
| 10:14.28 | jnc | shernas: not sure |
| 10:14.41 | tarzeau | mhall: unix way, same here ;) |
| 10:14.46 | tarzeau | mhall: and some people don't grasp it |
| 10:14.47 | jnc | shernas: you could grep -i the .config maybe |
| 10:14.55 | tarzeau | mhall: like doing 20% of the shit with 80% effort |
| 10:15.07 | mhall | tarzeau: yes and no; i'm definitely this way about computers |
| 10:15.09 | tarzeau | ebw: you can send it by mail? |
| 10:15.19 | mhall | tarzeau: but about other subjects not always |
| 10:15.26 | ebw | tarzeau: yes |
| 10:15.28 | mhall | tarzeau: i take German very seriously, more so all the time |
| 10:15.44 | tarzeau | ebw: how large is it? |
| 10:15.47 | mhall | tarzeau: especially now that i'm in the grammar course which involves some pretty complex abstract consideration |
| 10:16.06 | mhall | tarzeau: oddly enough my study of CFGs in computing theory has improved my capability for grammar |
| 10:16.07 | tarzeau | mhall: you're reading german books already? |
| 10:16.08 | ebw | tarzeau: 106k |
| 10:16.15 | tarzeau | ebw: gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 10:16.17 | liable | !congratulate Aerk |
| 10:16.20 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Aerk, you did it! |
| 10:16.23 | mhall | tarzeau: while he didn't have the whole situation figured out he definitely had the right start |
| 10:16.39 | mhall | tarzeau: too bad English is not context free or he would have cracked the whole puzzle |
| 10:16.50 | mhall | tarzeau: i've been speaking German since 1998 |
| 10:16.57 | Aerk | When I put the Thinkpad to sleep with ACPI suspend, it makes a funny buzzing alarm noise for about 300 milliseconds and then goes to sleep. Hitting the power button causes it to resume properly. Seems to work, but the noise is strange. |
| 10:17.05 | mhall | tarzeau: i started reading decent books in 2002 |
| 10:17.20 | tarzeau | Aerk: can you tell from what exactly the noise comes? |
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| 10:17.24 | liable | Aerk: acpi sleep? |
| 10:17.33 | mhall | tarzeau: i've done a culture + society class, a poetry class, and now a grammar class |
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| 10:17.36 | tarzeau | mhall: i've read what fell in my hands |
| 10:17.42 | mhall | tarzeau: sadly i had to miss prose |
| 10:17.46 | tarzeau | mhall: i'm too lazy for school |
| 10:17.47 | jnc | Aerk: (i'm making a joke) the noise scares off mountain lions in the surrounding area. it's a feature (TM) |
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| 10:17.56 | mhall | tarzeau: fair enough |
| 10:18.02 | mhall | tarzeau: i barely survive it at times |
| 10:18.05 | ebw | tarzeau: sended |
| 10:18.11 | tarzeau | ebw: sent |
| 10:18.12 | mhall | tarzeau: but i plug along and make it work for me |
| 10:18.41 | ebw | tarzeau: oh, thanks for improving my english :) |
| 10:18.52 | mhall | jnc: what? joke? what the fuck kind of channel do you think this is? #debian-offtopic?!?1111!!!!111eleventyoneoneone1111!!!!exclamationpoint!!!!! |
| 10:19.01 | Aerk | tarzeau: A speaker. |
| 10:19.04 | jnc | wow, chill homeboy |
| 10:19.13 | tarzeau | ebw: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ebw/ |
| 10:19.16 | Aerk | jnc: Hehe. |
| 10:19.18 | mhall | jnc: YHBT. YHL. HAND. |
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| 10:19.28 | jnc | OMFGWTFBBMHALL |
| 10:19.32 | Aerk | It also annoys people in the cafe. ;) |
| 10:19.46 | mhall | jnc: :-D yeah i roll like that man |
| 10:19.52 | Aerk | Someone asked if my laptop had a bomb in it when it made the noise. |
| 10:19.54 | ebw | tarzeau: thanks |
| 10:20.09 | liable | !tell Gyuszk about away |
| 10:20.16 | Aerk | Idiot business students. |
| 10:20.18 | jnc | Aerk: did you point to the ... <insert terrorist islam joke here> |
| 10:20.23 | ebw | !tell ebw about away |
| 10:20.25 | tarzeau | ebw: what about the gv version? |
| 10:20.26 | mhall | but the chicks dig me (well the cool ones anyways) so it works. as for the non-cool ones, fuck em if they can't take a joke. literally or not literally. they can pick. |
| 10:20.30 | liable | Aerk: linux-thinkpad.org |
| 10:20.37 | Aerk | liable: Thanks. |
| 10:20.44 | mhall | Aerk: wtf is it doing |
| 10:20.53 | mhall | Aerk: i somehow missed part of the thread |
| 10:21.01 | tarzeau | ebw: nice you're using window maker |
| 10:21.04 | ebw | tarzeau: 3.6.1-10 |
| 10:21.09 | Aerk | jnc: No I told them real bombs don't alarm people before they go off. |
| 10:21.13 | tarzeau | ebw: yeah that's the sarge version that sucks ass |
| 10:21.36 | tarzeau | ebw: i can not understand however, how people can look at the eye cancer causing debian window maker them |
| 10:21.40 | tarzeau | theme |
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| 10:21.45 | mhall | well alright i'm pretty tired |
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| 10:21.54 | mhall | time to head out, drink some water, and go to bed |
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| 10:21.59 | mhall | goodnight to everybody |
| 10:22.00 | jnc | Aerk: it would be most effective to write that out on a sheet of paper and act nervous |
| 10:22.05 | mhall | and good luck in the world of debian |
| 10:22.06 | ebw | tarzeau: Is there any way to get a better version without living on an developer distri? |
| 10:22.08 | tarzeau | ebw: try this for a decent background picture http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jakub/ |
| 10:22.10 | Aerk | mhall: The Thinkpad R30 seems to suspend to memory okay, but it makes a buzzing sound for about 300 milliseconds before it goes into sleep and right after. |
| 10:22.11 | liable | tarzeau: what happened to bub'n'bros? |
| 10:22.17 | tarzeau | ebw: use sid, the right way |
| 10:22.21 | mhall | Aerk: oof that's cracktastic |
| 10:22.36 | mhall | Aerk: could it be hard disk shock protection |
| 10:22.38 | Silent_al | does any1 getting problems with mplayer: package have unmet dependencies , when trying to install it? |
| 10:22.39 | tarzeau | liable: it exists, two people have packaged, got no time for it now. must rob the post office before it closes |
| 10:22.48 | Aerk | mhall: Should I worry? |
| 10:22.50 | liable | hah :) |
| 10:23.06 | mhall | Aerk: i almost wonder if it'd be good to make a forum post on a general hardware site |
| 10:23.11 | tarzeau | ebw: these are pretty nice background pictures too: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/unterwasser/ |
| 10:23.14 | Aerk | It is very loud, like a buzzing alarm, but it doesn't last long - less than half a second. |
| 10:23.15 | ebw | tarzau: The picture is really nice. I think I'll change ... |
| 10:23.16 | mhall | Aerk: so you can figure out if it also happens to windows users |
| 10:23.17 | tarzeau | (and no, i didn't do them) |
| 10:23.26 | tarzeau | ebw: have fun ;) |
| 10:23.29 | mhall | Aerk: that way you can narrow it down |
| 10:23.34 | jnc | Aerk: are you employing the use of ALSA drivers? |
| 10:23.36 | mhall | Aerk: try posting on say, ars technica |
| 10:23.39 | Aerk | mhall: The laptop came with Windows XP, which doesn't have the same thing. |
| 10:23.43 | Aerk | jnc: Not yet. |
| 10:23.45 | ebw | tarzeau: So there is no way to get better gv without upgrading to sid? |
| 10:23.52 | mhall | Aerk: they're fairly sharp on ars they might know |
| 10:23.57 | mhall | Aerk: also link follows |
| 10:23.59 | tarzeau | ebw: well yes there is, backporting it is easy (i had to do that too) |
| 10:24.00 | Aerk | mhall: Okay. |
| 10:24.02 | catalyst_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.11 | jnc | Aerk: do you know if it sources from the buzzer or the speakers |
| 10:24.13 | mhall | Aerk: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/mailinglists.html |
| 10:24.15 | tarzeau | ebw: i don't know about the lines though, i backported it so the machines wouldn't crash on every 3rd ps/pdf |
| 10:24.21 | mhall | Aerk: consider posting onto here as well |
| 10:24.36 | jnc | Aerk: special consideration is made in ALSA code to make audio hardware behave with a suspend task |
| 10:24.37 | mhall | Aerk: this list contains intel acpi driver developers and other field experts |
| 10:24.48 | mhall | Aerk: and of course search through archives of list |
| 10:24.55 | kioto | how to check if the support for audio is enabled |
| 10:25.04 | liable | play a song? |
| 10:25.08 | mhall | Aerk: good luck; hope you can get it fixed |
| 10:25.14 | kioto | yes don't work |
| 10:25.15 | mhall | kioto: cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp |
| 10:25.27 | mhall | kioto: also please check on mixer settings using alsamixer |
| 10:25.32 | mhall | kioto: nix mixers default to mute |
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| 10:25.38 | mhall | kioto: with 0% volume also |
| 10:25.47 | tarzeau | mhall: did i show you this? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 10:25.51 | ebw | tarzeau: Hmm, How to do a backport? Or: Where can I learn, how to do a backport? |
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| 10:26.17 | mhall | tarzeau: that reminds me of the following |
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| 10:26.44 | cahoot | ebw: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 10:26.46 | mhall | tarzeau: Two penguins in the Antarctic both needed to go on a fishing trip for herring. |
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| 10:26.52 | liable | tarzeau: it doesnt work! i cant connect the dots!.. |
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| 10:27.10 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:27.22 | mhall | tarzeau: The first penguin says, "Look! We can cover more ground if we split up. You go to this end of the horizon and fish for herring and I'll go to the other end." |
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| 10:27.34 | jnc | amorphix: simple port forwarding should work |
| 10:27.37 | kioto | alsamixer command not found |
| 10:27.42 | mhall | tarzeau: The second penguin agrees so they both go their seperate ways to search for herring. |
| 10:27.45 | mhall | kioto: ok one sec |
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| 10:28.07 | cesspit | hello, could anybody say, does pppd-2.4.1 included in woody supports mschap-v2, couldn't esteablish connection |
| 10:28.08 | mhall | kioto: install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils please |
| 10:28.19 | Jmax | what package provides gzcat? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gzcat provides nothing of use :S |
| 10:28.50 | liable | amorphix: do yourself a favour, use a front end like shorewall. or ask #iptables |
| 10:28.53 | mhall | tarzeau: Just as they can barely see each other as two small dots on the horizon, the first penguin shouts "Pizza!" and dives into the water. |
| 10:28.56 | amorphix | jnc: I have two entries in my gateway machine iptables: (INPUT) ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere 192.168.1.2 state NEW,ESTABLISHED tcp dpt:4662 and ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere 192.168.1.2 tcp dpt:4662 <-- does that ok to you? |
| 10:29.05 | mhall | amorphix: please consider the ipcop utility |
| 10:29.06 | kioto | ok apt-get install mission accomplished |
| 10:29.13 | mhall | amorphix: it's more secure and easier to use |
| 10:29.13 | amorphix | 2nd is FORWARD |
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| 10:29.18 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:29.20 | mhall | kioto: now see if alsamixer works |
| 10:29.26 | obsvuugj | is it possible to use GDM if gnome if not installed ` |
| 10:29.31 | liable | yes |
| 10:29.31 | kioto | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 10:29.45 | liable | kioto: what kernel? |
| 10:29.46 | mhall | kioto: alright do you have 2.4.xx kernel |
| 10:29.46 | Hatter | tarzeau: ok, i have the 2.4.32 source |
| 10:29.59 | kioto | 2.6.13.4 |
| 10:30.04 | cahoot | kioto: do you even use alsa? |
| 10:30.18 | amorphix | mhall: do you know the package name, its showing as NA in testing |
| 10:30.29 | mhall | kioto: you need to make sure you have sound enabled in your kernel |
| 10:30.37 | mhall | amorphix: it's an entire OS |
| 10:30.38 | tarzeau | Hatter: unpack them in /usr/src and symlink the directory to linux (or the other way around) |
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| 10:30.48 | amorphix | mhall: ? |
| 10:30.50 | mhall | amorphix: it takes care of 100% of your firewall all in one |
| 10:30.51 | Silent_al | is woody means unstable or testing? |
| 10:30.53 | kioto | i need to remake a new kernel |
| 10:30.57 | tarzeau | Hatter: cd linux, make menuconfig, enable all sata, follow instructions on screen. |
| 10:31.02 | Hatter | tarzeau: done |
| 10:31.05 | amorphix | mhall: I thought you said it was a utility? |
| 10:31.07 | liable | Silent_al: it means 'deprecated' |
| 10:31.10 | tarzeau | Hatter: use new kernel. |
| 10:31.11 | mhall | amorphix: with no ugly configuration, all web based with automated encrypted security updates from the devs |
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| 10:31.17 | mhall | amorphix: well it's sort of like emacs |
| 10:31.22 | Silent_al | liable , no , seriously |
| 10:31.23 | mhall | amorphix: part OS part utility |
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| 10:31.37 | amorphix | mhall: and it can be used in Debian? |
| 10:31.41 | liable | Silent_al: yes, seriously, its old stable. |
| 10:31.42 | mhall | amorphix: it's not a complete system, it's just a 50 megabyte packet masher with a great interface |
| 10:31.50 | Silent_al | ok |
| 10:31.52 | Silent_al | :) |
| 10:32.02 | mhall | amorphix: it's a standalone system |
| 10:32.06 | amorphix | that sounds terribly complicated compared to just adding 2 rules to iptables |
| 10:32.08 | liable | Silent_al: sarge is stable now (for the last 6 months) |
| 10:32.14 | mhall | amorphix: if you want to do other stuff on the box besides what it supports |
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| 10:32.19 | mhall | amorphix: then use the shorewall tool |
| 10:32.25 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:32.27 | mhall | amorphix: which is more of a layer to go onto debian |
| 10:32.47 | amorphix | thanks |
| 10:32.48 | liable | a layer? |
| 10:33.02 | mhall | amorphix: i've messed with rules enough to know that it's usually not worth writing them |
| 10:33.07 | Hatter | amorphix: shorewall is great, great docs on website also, makes iptables easy |
| 10:33.07 | rob_p | Anyone care to test out a firewall script on their Debian box? I wrote it for Ubuntu users but I'd like to make sure it runs on Debian as well. It supports NAT and port forwarding and has a very well commented config file... anyone? |
| 10:33.15 | mhall | and iptables just gets more and more complicated and harder to use |
| 10:33.22 | mhall | rob_p: try amorphix |
| 10:33.40 | mhall | rob_p: because speaking of the devil that's just what he needs right now |
| 10:34.02 | mhall | rob_p: i'm more fond of the unix hack approach of nmapping myself and removing services |
| 10:34.04 | rob_p | mhall: amorphix: http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/14/29/ |
| 10:34.22 | mhall | amorphix: good luck buddy |
| 10:34.29 | mhall | rob_p: thanks for putting your work on offer |
| 10:34.37 | rob_p | mhall: That is certainely the right approach to security :-) |
| 10:34.40 | mhall | rob_p: consider writing a dpkg factoid for it |
| 10:35.01 | mhall | rob_p: the way i figure it can't be hacked if it doesn't exist in the first place |
| 10:35.04 | rob_p | mhall: Depending on how useful folks think it is, I just may! |
| 10:35.07 | amorphix | many thanks guys |
| 10:35.14 | mhall | rob_p: and if i want it there then i have to have the port open for it to work |
| 10:35.15 | rob_p | mhall: True! |
| 10:35.19 | jnc | xvidcap uses an obsolete version of libpng |
| 10:35.22 | mhall | rob_p: so then the firewall doesn't help |
| 10:35.23 | kioto | how to purge a new kernel that i have compiled |
| 10:35.26 | jnc | it will not ever compile in this state |
| 10:35.36 | mhall | kioto: did you make it as debian package |
| 10:35.39 | rob_p | mhall: It's just another layer... |
| 10:35.48 | mhall | kioto: if so dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel |
| 10:35.48 | jnc | kioto: want some advices ? |
| 10:35.55 | mhall | kioto: then find it and dpkg --purge packagename |
| 10:36.13 | mhall | rob_p: yeah but unless you want something highly granular |
| 10:36.23 | jnc | make-kpkg --append-to-version -kioto1 --revision `date +%Y%m%d` --arch amd64 --subarch k8 --arch-in-name --stem linux --initrd --config menuconfig --rootcmd fakeroot --us --uc binary-arch |
| 10:36.28 | jnc | if you've got an athlon64 |
| 10:36.31 | jnc | adjust to taste |
| 10:36.32 | mhall | rob_p: ex. block stupid scumbag at 138.9.1.227 from connecting, etc. |
| 10:36.39 | mhall | rob_p: then it does not buy you a whole lot |
| 10:36.40 | kioto | mhall, but if i need to add a module alsa to my kernel |
| 10:36.49 | Hatter | tarzeau: excuse my lack of memory, does makemenuconfig bring previous kernel settings from the running kernel ? |
| 10:36.53 | mhall | rob_p: i suppose that a well configured ids would get you more |
| 10:36.54 | kioto | is needed a recompilation of kernel |
| 10:37.08 | liable | jnc: holy shit! whatever happaned to make-kpkg kernel_image? :P |
| 10:37.09 | tarzeau | Hatter: no, make oldconfig does if you copy the config file to the current dir as .config |
| 10:37.09 | mhall | kioto: yes |
| 10:37.20 | kioto | ahaha |
| 10:37.20 | mhall | kioto: if you didn't include the sound support |
| 10:37.24 | mhall | kioto: but trick is |
| 10:37.31 | mhall | kioto: you can just build it as modules |
| 10:37.32 | jnc | liable: it died when i needed more than 5 kernels in a given week |
| 10:37.35 | rob_p | mhall: They all have their places, true. |
| 10:37.35 | mhall | kioto: run make modules |
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| 10:37.40 | jnc | liable: i do a lot of low-latency testing |
| 10:37.41 | mhall | kioto: and make modules_install |
| 10:37.55 | mhall | kioto: which is often not a bad choice for sound anyways because it's sometimes more flexible |
| 10:38.04 | liable | jnc: 5 in a week? you need a hobby :) |
| 10:38.10 | mhall | rob_p: yes i take a rather non traditional approach to security |
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| 10:38.24 | Silent_al | im trying to install mplayer-586 on Etch , to do that i need need jackd to be version 0.99.0-2 but its version 0.100.0-4 |
| 10:38.28 | liable | jnc: other than kernels :) |
| 10:38.31 | Silent_al | how do i downgrade? |
| 10:38.31 | mhall | rob_p: i pretty much believe all perspectives on it are nearly useless except the programmer education perspective |
| 10:38.48 | jnc | Silent_al: you should build mplayer source packages |
| 10:38.51 | Hatter | tarzeau: will the config file from 2.6.8 conflict with 2.4.32 ? |
| 10:38.55 | rob_p | mhall: Sometimes it's better that way. Keeping it as simple as possible is usually the right approach. |
| 10:38.56 | Silent_al | O_O |
| 10:38.57 | mhall | rob_p: most security people care little about responsible application development and programmer indoctrination as far as i can tell |
| 10:39.09 | rob_p | mhall: That's so true! |
| 10:39.17 | mhall | rob_p: which i have always found baffling |
| 10:39.19 | rob_p | mhall: Unfortunately! |
| 10:39.23 | liable | Silent_al: it says, <.99? |
| 10:39.29 | mhall | rob_p: because the best way to stop bugs is never to have any in the first place |
| 10:39.31 | jnc | Silent_al: no such thing as downgrading. i've done it, and it is basically impossible to do without major issues |
| 10:39.39 | mhall | rob_p: the rest is dutch boy with finger in dike ideology |
| 10:39.39 | Chris1 | security is the opposite to convenence |
| 10:39.49 | mhall | rob_p: you don't build a good dike with fingers |
| 10:39.52 | Silent_al | liable no , Depends: jackd (= 0.99.0-2) |
| 10:39.56 | mhall | rob_p: you just keep the dike working with fingers |
| 10:40.08 | mhall | rob_p: it only works once you have a working dike to start with |
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| 10:40.22 | liable | Silent_al: where did you get jackd from/ |
| 10:40.24 | liable | ? |
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| 10:40.42 | jnc | sorry i keep reading that as the lesbian butch indicator of similar pronounciation |
| 10:40.43 | mhall | rob_p: and my belief based on current state of network programming is that we have our collective heads so far up our butts that we're way out of whack |
| 10:40.46 | jnc | mind in gutter firmly |
| 10:40.49 | Silent_al | jnc , when i used Sarge i didnt have to compile mplayer , i just used the marillat sources |
| 10:40.52 | kioto | there is command to know what modules i have engage on my box |
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| 10:40.58 | liable | dikes dont like fingers? |
| 10:41.05 | mhall | jnc: yes i was afraid i'd introduce this tangent |
| 10:41.14 | jnc | such is english. |
| 10:41.15 | mhall | jnc: i was hoping against hope that nobody would go there |
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| 10:41.37 | liable | wishfull thinking.. |
| 10:41.48 | mhall | rob_p: seems to me that, #1 we have failed to apply effective object oriented programming abstraction to network programming |
| 10:41.56 | Silent_al | liable mmm.. from debian's official sources i guess.. |
| 10:42.00 | rob_p | mhall: Mostly true, indeed :-) However, is the dike good looking? Just kidding! |
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| 10:42.02 | jnc | if say, german had as many bad instances, you'd see Romeo & Juliet written in the language other than english |
| 10:42.03 | mhall | rob_p: it always involves low level buffer hacks pointers and bit manipulation |
| 10:42.19 | mhall | rob_p: all of which are horrid when done for a long time repeatedly |
| 10:42.27 | liable | Silent_al: from the etch repos/ |
| 10:42.29 | mhall | rob_p: because they all generate countless serious code bugs |
| 10:42.31 | jnc | but no, it is english with the failings which appeal to sick minds and give cause for further explorations to thrive |
| 10:42.36 | mhall | rob_p: but anyways </rant> |
| 10:42.36 | Silent_al | yes |
| 10:42.40 | liable | fucking shift key. |
| 10:42.46 | mhall | rob_p: everybody took it down the lesbian route |
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| 10:42.53 | Syruss | is there a way of running something without it being a child process of something else? (i.e - to make it run with no relation to the user's shell that ran it)? |
| 10:42.54 | mhall | rob_p: so fuck it at this point |
| 10:43.08 | jnc | i guess you'd want some workd other than dike |
| 10:43.14 | jnc | like... no.. hrmm.. |
| 10:43.16 | jnc | no... |
| 10:43.16 | liable | everyone loves lesbians though.. |
| 10:43.19 | jnc | not that one... *think* |
| 10:43.28 | rob_p | mhall: I know the story... just a little humor :-) |
| 10:43.31 | mhall | !zoosmite english |
| 10:43.42 | mhall | rob_p: if it were just one person it'd be ok |
| 10:43.46 | jnc | how about sand dune? |
| 10:43.50 | jnc | finger in sand dune... |
| 10:44.02 | mhall | rob_p: but lesbian references in geek channels are horribly memetic in nature |
| 10:44.14 | mhall | karsten: my mental model was perverted |
| 10:44.15 | jnc | GNU/Lesbian != GNU/Debian |
| 10:44.24 | jnc | see topic |
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| 10:44.39 | mhall | karsten: i was talking about how network security consisted of dutch boy placing finger into dike to plug holes |
| 10:44.40 | liable | karsten: c'mon, its not a far leap from dykes to lesbians :) |
| 10:44.50 | mhall | karsten: but this only works when the dike is there to begin with |
| 10:45.04 | mhall | karsten: and the dike is represented by responsibly developed network applications |
| 10:45.13 | karsten | mhall: If there aren't any present, if you start offering fingers, they'll come around sooner or later... |
| 10:45.19 | jnc | mhall: computer terminology is incredibly prone to sharing common traits with that of sexual descriptions |
| 10:45.35 | mhall | karsten: and due to the low level approach that's been taken to network programming since time immemorial before i was even born |
| 10:45.54 | mhall | karsten: we expect programmers to manipulate a lot of low level buffers with pointers and bit manipulation |
| 10:45.57 | Chris1 | if (GNU/Fag == GNU/Lesbo) { syeten(rm / -Ff) } |
| 10:46.00 | karsten | mhall: ... on an entirely different topic, I've just discovered that one can feed an input stream to fdisk. |
| 10:46.01 | kioto | mhall, |
| 10:46.12 | mhall | karsten: all of which are error prone and the errors to which they are prone are horrifying |
| 10:46.14 | kioto | into /lib/modules/2.6.xx |
| 10:46.19 | mhall | karsten: yes please change topics |
| 10:46.22 | jnc | karsten: uh. what kind of stream? |
| 10:46.27 | mhall | karsten: hmm stream to fdisk |
| 10:46.28 | karsten | eg: on seperate lines: n p <enter> <enter> p w | fdisk |
| 10:46.30 | kioto | i have found a directory sound |
| 10:46.36 | mhall | karsten: that seems mightly dangerous but also powerful |
| 10:46.38 | jnc | what the fuck, would you send into the input of fdisk. |
| 10:46.48 | mhall | karsten: i'll tell my friend who begged for a way to script fdisk |
| 10:46.50 | jnc | sure you don't mean sfdisk? |
| 10:46.50 | karsten | mhall: ... will create a primary partition sized to remaining free space on disk. |
| 10:47.04 | karsten | mhall: I'm setting up systems in an automated test environment. |
| 10:47.27 | karsten | mhall: ... you can do maths ahead of time to figure out appropriate values if necessary. Point being you can then just feed the values in. |
| 10:47.36 | mhall | karsten: yeah i wrote it down for my friend |
| 10:47.42 | karsten | jnc: fdisk commands. |
| 10:47.44 | mhall | karsten: he works as sys admin for national lab |
| 10:47.50 | jnc | karsten: oh. |
| 10:47.51 | karsten | mhall: Which? |
| 10:47.53 | mhall | karsten: so he very much needs this capability |
| 10:47.56 | mhall | karsten: llnl |
| 10:47.59 | jnc | karsten: you could do that with expect |
| 10:48.01 | karsten | mhall: Coolio. |
| 10:48.09 | karsten | jnc: Not installed on systems in question. |
| 10:48.18 | mhall | mmm time for h2o and bed |
| 10:48.25 | mhall | so i don't get sick or hung over |
| 10:48.31 | mhall | good night to all |
| 10:48.40 | Chris1 | later |
| 10:48.41 | karsten | mhall: Happy diking... |
| 10:48.48 | mhall | karsten: damn you |
| 10:48.51 | rob_p | later mhall |
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| 10:48.55 | mhall | rob_p: cya! |
| 10:49.05 | karsten | mhall: NP |
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| 10:50.11 | jnc | dikings had the funny ha...ts |
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| 10:53.45 | karsten | What, again, is the command to update the kernel's view of partition tables? After running fdisk? |
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| 10:53.48 | Aerk | My laptop's CPU is at 46 C. :\ |
| 10:53.50 | karsten | ... rather than rebooting. |
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| 10:54.36 | Chris1 | why choose Debian over Fedora???? |
| 10:54.50 | mille | apt-get |
| 10:54.51 | karsten | !why debian |
| 10:54.51 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:55.02 | Chris1 | ty |
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| 10:55.36 | liable | sfdisk -R? |
| 10:55.48 | eleftherios | Aerk, what laptop do you have? |
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| 10:57.34 | Catch`CoNdA | Hey, how can I make alsa detect the proper soundcard on boot? I have to run alsaconf everytime I boot to choose the sb card. (sarge/stable - alsamixer- 1.0.8 ) |
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| 10:57.50 | khd | hi |
| 10:58.45 | Aerk | eleftherios: Thinkpad R30 Pentium III 1 GHz |
| 10:58.45 | liable | howdy |
| 10:58.51 | mace`oFF | hi, i'm looking 4 a dist. that runs on an old p-100,16 mb RAM, SCSI HD, want to run it as router, sry 4 my bad english |
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| 10:59.49 | Aerk | mace`oFF: Please don't use shorthand. |
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| 11:00.18 | Aerk | mace`oFF: It looks obnixous to see "4" instead of "for." |
| 11:00.26 | Catch`CoNdA | hehe |
| 11:00.32 | sandman | Not to mention, we get enough numbers around here |
| 11:00.40 | Aerk | sandman: Heheh. |
| 11:00.42 | karsten | mace`oFF: Debian with a minimal install will handle that relatively well. Package management is very slow with < 32-64 MB though (package lists are large). |
| 11:00.54 | khd | I've got acpi working fine for me, but I still get this messages on syslog: osl-0856 [103551] os_wait_semaphore : Failed to acquire semaphore[dceb9480|1|0], AE_TIME, I've been reading a lot, but I don't know if its harmful for my laptop. The only clue I have is appending with acpi=off or acpi_serialized |
| 11:00.54 | Aerk | Yeah, I have run Debian on old hardware. |
| 11:00.59 | khd | any to read plz? |
| 11:01.00 | mace`oFF | thx |
| 11:01.05 | sandman | And 4 is my most hatred number. Always seems to get back at me. You've done well to insult us debianite by your numerically inclination |
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| 11:01.07 | liable | can you even use a 2.6 with 16mB? |
| 11:01.13 | karsten | mace`oFF: There are also specialized router distros, or OpenBSD, which you might consider. |
| 11:01.14 | Aerk | mace`oFF: Debian was fine on my 90 MHz Pentium Classic IBM desktop. |
| 11:01.28 | Aerk | With 48 MB of ram. |
| 11:01.44 | sandman | numerical inclination, that is. And also, debianites. There's only one thing that pisses me off more than the number 4, and that's when I muck up getting mad about it. |
| 11:01.48 | karsten | Aerk: running apt-get or aptitude at much less than that _does_ start to be an issue. You'll need swap, and time. |
| 11:01.53 | khd | my system is intel centrino, ich-4, kernel 2.6.14.2 |
| 11:02.21 | Aerk | karsten: Yeah, it was slow, but it worked. |
| 11:02.36 | saloxin | install manual says min 32Mb of ram :-( |
| 11:02.39 | liable | khd: what disto? |
| 11:02.44 | khd | liable, debian |
| 11:02.52 | Aerk | karsten: I mostly avoided aptitude on that 90 MHz CPU. Loading the cache took way too long. |
| 11:02.57 | khd | liable, unstable |
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| 11:03.35 | Catch`CoNdA | Also, does anyone know how to format a harddrive to ext3 ? I run fdisk and partition it to one big sector logical placed under an extended. but how do I choose the filesystem? |
| 11:03.41 | karsten | Aerk: Yep. |
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| 11:04.26 | lish | does parted work? |
| 11:04.29 | Phated | Catch`CoNdA: mkfs.ext3 /dev/partition |
| 11:04.30 | karsten | khd: There are ways to create an install for an offline system from Debian. You have a Debian box that does package management. It assembles the bit for the lesser computer. |
| 11:04.34 | karsten | lish: Sometimes. |
| 11:04.40 | cesspit | hello, could anybody tell me please, can I use pppd-2.4.1 (woody) to connect to vpn server using mschap-v2, does this version of pppd supports this protocol? |
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| 11:04.59 | karsten | cesspit: RTFM |
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| 11:05.22 | lish | :P |
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| 11:05.46 | Aerk | I've had a lot of old machines. Before my 1 Ghz IBM Thinkpad and my 233 MHz Dell Latitude, I used a 50 MHz 486 Zenith laptop with a 16 color screen and NetBSD 1.6 with IIRC 12 MB of RAM (I had to use the mini kernel.) |
| 11:05.58 | khd | karsten, mmm my problem is with acpi, it doesnt a install prblem :P |
| 11:06.13 | Aerk | karsten: ACPI is not installed? |
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| 11:06.29 | Aerk | I just solved my ACPI problems. :) |
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| 11:06.35 | karsten | Aerk: Heh. |
| 11:06.50 | khd | did you solve a problem like mine, what did you read? |
| 11:06.52 | Gyuszk | re |
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| 11:07.58 | DaViDeX | hi |
| 11:08.54 | Aerk | karsten: Oh, I was having trouble with ACPI suspend to memory crashing my maching hard. |
| 11:09.00 | tarzeau | Hatter: yes that won't work |
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| 11:09.31 | Aerk | karsten: I compiled kernel 2.6.14 with the IBM ACPI config option and now it suspends reliably. |
| 11:09.44 | Aerk | Err, khd |
| 11:09.49 | Aerk | Damned nick complete. |
| 11:09.52 | khd | :) |
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| 11:10.50 | khd | i didnt try suspend yet, first i'll try to solve the semaphore problem, i dont want to disable acpi or serialize it from boot |
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| 11:13.26 | Aerk | karsten: What kind of laptop? |
| 11:13.59 | khd | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02) |
| 11:13.59 | Gyuszk | zaba, bybyez |
| 11:14.15 | khd | centrino 2Mb L2 |
| 11:14.52 | khd | 82801, ich-4 |
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| 11:16.13 | khd | i read lot of people with same problem, but their acpi didnt work well, they cant read /proc/acpi and their systems hang. I can read /proc/acpi, and i think acpi works fine |
| 11:16.27 | DaViDeX | where's the quake2 files which installs quake2-installer package |
| 11:16.43 | khd | i dont understand why this error appear |
| 11:17.08 | khd | s/appear/apperas |
| 11:18.16 | tarzeau | i so hate the windows key |
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| 11:18.27 | tarzeau | 3 keys, even |
| 11:19.40 | Syruss | how can I alter this sudoers line so that members of admin can only sudo to run things as nobody? |
| 11:19.40 | Syruss | %admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 11:20.21 | bbrazil | put nobody in brackets iirc |
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| 11:20.43 | tarzeau | Hatter: can you tell me the lspci line of your sata controller? |
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| 11:20.49 | Syruss | instead of ALL there? |
| 11:20.50 | tarzeau | Hatter: it should go to http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware |
| 11:21.01 | tarzeau | besides anyone can fix the wiki table thing on that url above? |
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| 11:23.46 | liable | khd: and you have checked bts for it/ |
| 11:23.48 | liable | ? |
| 11:23.51 | liable | grr. |
| 11:25.18 | tarzeau | i can not believe clanlib in sid wasn't updated still |
| 11:25.24 | tarzeau | this so absolutely sucks ass |
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| 11:31.35 | tarzeau | i so hate https:// links like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedTesting |
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| 11:31.54 | tarzeau | why would anyone sane in the brain would put a wiki on https only? |
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| 11:32.00 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: oh, congratulations to the topic ;-) |
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| 11:32.55 | bbrazil | tarzeau: so password aren't compromised? |
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| 11:33.00 | khd | liable, bts? |
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| 11:33.06 | tarzeau | bbrazil: is that their problem? |
| 11:33.10 | khd | backtraces? |
| 11:33.16 | tarzeau | bbrazil: i can do with my fucking password whatever i want |
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| 11:33.27 | tarzeau | bbrazil: and besides wikis can be viewed without any passowrd |
| 11:33.30 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: i found a screenshot of your desktop (with gnustep) on the net, may i use it for a speech in my school (gibs solothurn)? |
| 11:33.36 | tarzeau | bbrazil: no a wiki on https is PLAIN STUPID |
| 11:33.50 | tarzeau | tiCo89: you can do whatever you want with it |
| 11:33.54 | bbrazil | tarzeau: yes, but for editing content. consider that the samba mailman is https with a self-signed cert |
| 11:34.00 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: thank you =) |
| 11:34.06 | tarzeau | bbrazil: do i care about my wiki password? |
| 11:34.13 | tarzeau | bbrazil: i can't even view it |
| 11:34.14 | blondie|gone | haha |
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| 11:34.40 | bbrazil | tarzeau: that sounds like a good argument as to why it should be https |
| 11:34.41 | blondie|gone | what if you use a central password for your wiki? |
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| 11:35.08 | tarzeau | bbrazil: you can not decide what i do with my password. besides i don't have one. i just wanted to read that ugly page |
| 11:35.23 | tarzeau | blondie|gone: what if i ONLY want to view it, and i don't even have a password? |
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| 11:35.49 | tarzeau | blondie|gone: and what sane people would use their important password on a foreign wiki with a hostname "ubuntu" in it? |
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| 11:41.47 | tincorrec | hello, other than tidy, does anyone know of a command line xml validator? |
| 11:43.04 | tincorrec | yes mine too |
| 11:43.33 | tincorrec | my fav xml tool is his gun to shoot the developers who keep screwing up their data |
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| 11:53.30 | ChrisBradley | hello |
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| 11:53.43 | ChrisBradley | I'm a Debian Etch User |
| 11:53.51 | ChrisBradley | looking to report findings on Debian |
| 11:54.14 | ChrisBradley | I've thrown together a quick website on my latest works |
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| 11:54.25 | ChrisBradley | http://homepage.mac.com/noisecontrol/Personal1.html |
| 11:55.02 | ChrisBradley | I"m really interested in talking to Etch devs in realtime about a couple things |
| 11:55.12 | ChrisBradley | Like what is bonobo-activation server |
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| 11:55.52 | ChrisBradley | I'm currently running an Apache Server with CVS and a couple other things |
| 11:56.26 | ChrisBradley | I noticed that you can run server editions of most of Gnome's core apps. |
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| 11:59.51 | tarzeau | ChrisBradley: there's no etch devs, there's debian maintainers and developers and they get their stuff in sid |
| 12:00.00 | tarzeau | ChrisBradley: there's BTS to talk about specific packages |
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| 12:00.34 | complexity | ok |
| 12:00.42 | ChrisBradley | there are Etch devs and maintainers I am sure |
| 12:01.30 | complexity | I have gtkam installed, using argus dc-1510 drivers, when i upload the pictures, half the screen is pink, and half is green, you can barely see what i took the picture of, any ideas? |
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| 12:02.37 | complexity | the format it puts the image in is .ppm |
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| 12:03.25 | doleyb | ChrisBradley: why do you care about bonobo? |
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| 12:03.48 | bonz | hmm wonder why the source pages for debians icecast package are littered with ctrl m's |
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| 12:04.06 | Vagner | oi |
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| 12:04.56 | dli | is the netinst iso for "stable" only? I want one for etch |
| 12:05.17 | Vagner | Tem alguem que poderia me falar qual DEBIAN posso baixar para PENTIUM 64 bits ? |
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| 12:05.32 | dli | !d-i |
| 12:05.32 | dpkg | well, d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:05.36 | Vagner | Tem alguem aqui ? online ? |
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| 12:05.47 | ob1kenewb | hi, do someone already managed to remove/add the ipv6 module dynamically ? I can only load it, but never was able to unload it |
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| 12:08.16 | Vagner | What is Pentium 64bits ? IA64 | i386 ? |
| 12:08.17 | Syruss | %admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: nohup, echo, /opt/shoutcast/sc_serv |
| 12:08.18 | Syruss | << Anyone know where the syntax error is in this /etc/sudoers line? |
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| 12:09.27 | brosioz | can i resize ntfs partition from linux ? |
| 12:09.30 | bonz | Syruss: how bout the line before or after that one? |
| 12:10.08 | bonz | brosioz: sure just backup,mkfs, restore from backup :) |
| 12:10.18 | Syruss | # %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 12:10.18 | Syruss | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.33 | Syruss | ..it does keep complaining about the line before.. |
| 12:10.53 | Syruss | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 50 |
| 12:10.53 | Syruss | >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 50 <<< |
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| 12:11.16 | dli | Vagner, ia64 |
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| 12:12.44 | ChrisBradley | doleyb - I understand bonobo is endangered - and I'm running his server in the background - I'd like to know what its doing to my route. |
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| 12:13.12 | brosioz | bonz, how could i make a back up of entire disk |
| 12:13.14 | brosioz | also mbr |
| 12:13.18 | brosioz | and then restore ? |
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| 12:13.50 | master_of_master | hi, how much faster is aes128 than aes256 on a cryptoloop partition? |
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| 12:14.14 | liran_ | what is httpdx? it seems to take 99% cpu |
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| 12:15.44 | bonz | brosioz: there are numerous methods which im not going too deny you the privledge of discovering via your own search |
| 12:16.09 | brosioz | good answer thx |
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| 12:18.29 | lehel | hello |
| 12:18.31 | Brian_L | uname -a |
| 12:19.07 | lehel | can i have it mounted writable my win filesystem? |
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| 12:19.57 | lehel | other words, can i copy from linux to win? |
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| 12:20.31 | lehel | at least a y/n [?] pls |
| 12:20.45 | Brian_L | lehel: writing to ntfs will not work right, you can write to fat 32/16 |
| 12:21.10 | lehel | thanks, Brian_L; |
| 12:21.29 | Brian_L | usb key, or a small fat partition to act as a in-between |
| 12:21.40 | amorphix | shorewall rocks |
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| 12:21.58 | Brian_L | lehel: does that make sense? |
| 12:22.06 | dimitri_ | what is the package for perl DBI mysql ? |
| 12:22.18 | dimitri_ | I found libdbi-perl |
| 12:22.29 | dimitri_ | but is that dealing with mysql as well ? |
| 12:22.34 | Brian_L | lehel: create a small fat partition that is writable under both |
| 12:22.37 | lehel | yes Brian_L, an extern fat 32 HDD, for example |
| 12:22.41 | Brian_L | yes |
| 12:22.42 | Brian_L | :) |
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| 12:24.13 | amorphix | does anyone know how to do a port forwarding rule in shorewall? |
| 12:24.37 | amorphix | does this look right: ACCEPT net lo:192.168.1.2 tcp 4662 4662 |
| 12:24.51 | sussudio | jesus, are you still in here with your ipchains crap? |
| 12:25.01 | amorphix | yup i'm still here |
| 12:25.07 | sussudio | ... |
| 12:25.16 | sussudio | and your kazaa |
| 12:25.29 | sussudio | or emule |
| 12:25.35 | lehel | Brian_L: i'm thinking buying one, HDD extern Freecom Classic SL 80GB USB 2.0 for 130 $, what do you think? |
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| 12:25.47 | amorphix | amule |
| 12:26.00 | Brian_L | lehel: how big is it in size? |
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| 12:26.09 | lehel | 80 Gb |
| 12:26.15 | Brian_L | i mean dimensions |
| 12:26.23 | Brian_L | laptop drive size> |
| 12:26.26 | lehel | oh.. 115 x 215 x 30 Â |
| 12:26.32 | lehel | mm |
| 12:26.38 | lehel | w-d-h |
| 12:26.45 | Brian_L | you can get adapter kits cheaper |
| 12:26.49 | lehel | 0.75 kg |
| 12:27.06 | Brian_L | depends on if the physical dimensions are an issue |
| 12:27.18 | lehel | adapter kits?.. like? |
| 12:27.35 | brosioz | anyone have erver try ntfs resize with Ntfsprogs 1.12.0? Is it very long ? |
| 12:27.38 | PHR023N | sorry for interupting you guys, excuse me, i need help with realplayer 10 please |
| 12:27.56 | PHR023N | where do i get the playlist editor for realplayer |
| 12:28.27 | lehel | PHR023N: https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/specs/playlist.pdf |
| 12:28.42 | PHR023N | lehel, thanks :) |
| 12:29.16 | Brian_L | lehel: i had my eye on some a while back let me dig up the bookmark |
| 12:29.26 | lehel | ok, i'll wait |
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| 12:35.34 | amorphix | anyone use shorewall? |
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| 12:36.49 | lehel | amorphix: i just "apt-get"ed ;) |
| 12:37.01 | lehel | to see what is about.. |
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| 12:37.24 | lehel | 'find smthg Brian_L? |
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| 12:38.16 | Brian_L | heh, just locked up |
| 12:38.21 | Brian_L | had to reboot |
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| 12:38.33 | Brian_L | can i PM you some links? |
| 12:38.45 | lehel | please |
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| 12:41.45 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:41.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:42.18 | Chris1 | Encore 21KT Grable 280MM Gun Projectile 15KT 500ft |
| 12:42.22 | Chris1 | no more cow |
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| 12:42.34 | abrotman | we like the cow |
| 12:42.50 | sts | hello folks |
| 12:42.56 | sts | Can anyone please help me setup iptables for a reverse proxy? What rules do i need? |
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| 12:43.22 | abrotman | #iptables sys |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | sts |
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| 12:43.56 | amorphix | hi abrotman |
| 12:44.26 | sts | thanks abrotman |
| 12:44.44 | amorphix | sts: I'm using shorewall its much easier than iptables |
| 12:44.51 | abrotman | amorphix: and if you're gonna start with iptables again .. you can go with him!! |
| 12:45.02 | amorphix | ha no way, im done with iptables |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | amorphix: afaik .. shorewall is a front end to iptables |
| 12:45.22 | amorphix | yeah it is, its much easier to manage tho |
| 12:45.44 | abrotman | i tried a few front ends .. went back to just typing in iptables ..... |
| 12:46.35 | amorphix | I'm having trouble getting my ports open tho |
| 12:46.46 | rossi | anyone can tell me why my kernel hangs when booting?? I get something like that [<c02052e1>] acpi_pci_allocate_irq+0x23/0x44 and some more such lines I have my wlan modules just installed an written in the /etc/modules |
| 12:47.01 | PHR023N | lehel, the playlist editor for realplayer doesnt come with the replayer verion 10 does it? |
| 12:47.05 | abrotman | amorphix: wich shorewall or iptables ? |
| 12:47.13 | amorphix | with shorewall |
| 12:47.29 | abrotman | rossi: and without the wifi modules ? |
| 12:47.40 | rossi | now there is the line rtl8180 phy writing 19 9d filed! |
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| 12:48.20 | rossi | maybe it is because I have the line wirless-mode managed in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:49.32 | PHR023N | anyone, please, the playlist editor for realplayer doesnt come with the replayer verion 10 does it? |
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| 12:51.25 | abrotman | PHR023N: i don't see one |
| 12:51.48 | PHR023N | abrotman, so how do we get one then? |
| 12:51.53 | sax | from where download codecs to lin? |
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| 12:52.46 | abrotman | PHR023N: use another player ? |
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| 12:53.19 | PHR023N | which "other" player can play realaudio files |
| 12:53.35 | abrotman | PHR023N: real player doesn'twork for you ? |
| 12:53.41 | Andy837 | how can i install kde on debian? do i nee x-window first? |
| 12:53.58 | karsten | PHR023N: xmms can, sometimes, with the libreal.so plugin. |
| 12:54.01 | abrotman | Andy837: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 12:54.06 | karsten | PHR023N: ... used to work for me, isn't ATM. |
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| 12:54.46 | PHR023N | karsten, abrotman, thanks i think i'll try that now :) |
| 12:54.53 | Andy837 | what display managerr do i want? KDE or KDM? |
| 12:54.57 | abrotman | kdm |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | that's why i included it on the line |
| 12:55.04 | karsten | Andy837: wrong question. |
| 12:55.05 | blondie|gone | KDE isn't a display manager :) |
| 12:55.14 | karsten | blondie|gone: You're not here. |
| 12:55.22 | blondie|gone | yes I am |
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| 12:55.25 | Andy837 | Select the desired default display manager. |
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| 12:55.29 | abrotman | karsten: wait .. shouldn't you be snoozing ? |
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| 12:55.34 | karsten | Andy837: kde is a desktop environment. KDM is KDE's WM. |
| 12:55.35 | Andy837 | kdm or xdm |
| 12:55.40 | karsten | abrotman: Very likely. |
| 12:55.40 | abrotman | Andy837: you want kdm |
| 12:55.50 | Andy837 | ok thanks |
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| 12:56.15 | karsten | ... for various values of ... |
| 12:56.17 | Andy837 | i get lots of errors about input devices - how can i configure not to check local inputs? |
| 12:56.20 | karsten | ... baby, arm, and apple. |
| 12:56.29 | karsten | Andy837: What errors? |
| 12:56.33 | karsten | !tell Andy837 about paster |
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| 12:57.07 | blondie|gone | karsten: I didn't specify where I was gone from :) |
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| 12:57.39 | karsten | blondie: ... you're apparently gone from nowhere now. |
| 12:57.41 | Andy837 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1129 |
| 12:58.08 | blondie | nah, I'm just not gone from somewhere |
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| 12:59.14 | karsten | Andy837: Got a mouse plugged in there? |
| 12:59.23 | Andy837 | no |
| 12:59.30 | Andy837 | nothing locally |
| 12:59.31 | karsten | Andy837: That would be a problem. |
| 12:59.32 | lunitik | Is the bug with linux-image-2.6.14-* that leaves it uninstallable a known issue? |
| 12:59.42 | Andy837 | but i have had it working before! |
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| 12:59.45 | abrotman | lunitik: involving udev ? |
| 12:59.47 | karsten | Andy837: Not sure what you're trying to do, but I'm too tired to help, sorry. |
| 13:00.01 | Andy837 | i am going to connect using VNC |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | i think if adnmy loads mousedev .. and picks /dev/pinn/mice .. it might work |
| 13:00.17 | lehel | how do i see my proc type? |
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| 13:00.27 | lehel | [detailed] |
| 13:00.29 | abrotman | maybe .. maybe i should put my contacts in so i can read what i type :) |
| 13:00.29 | dimir | Morning! |
| 13:00.35 | lunitik | abrotman: not sure... just said something about the install script not working... mentioning I'm trying to go from 2.4 to 2.6 (forgot to hit 'linux26' :) |
| 13:00.39 | lunitik | :( * |
| 13:00.47 | mtnman | lehel: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:00.48 | abrotman | lehel: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:00.55 | lehel | thanks ;) |
| 13:00.56 | lunitik | kinda thinking about just reinstalling again to at least have a 2.6 kernel :( |
| 13:01.05 | Andy837 | last time i install x-window and i could configure it to not have a mouse etc |
| 13:01.10 | abrotman | lunitik: actual error messages are helpful |
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| 13:01.47 | Larsioa | a good free hosting control panel? |
| 13:02.06 | Andy837 | Larsioa: vhcs |
| 13:02.32 | abrotman | that's in debian |
| 13:02.37 | Larsioa | anythign else? |
| 13:02.47 | abrotman | err that's in debian? :) |
| 13:03.06 | lunitik | abrotman: "Could not find . at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 228" |
| 13:03.09 | Andy837 | ah no its not an official |
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| 13:03.43 | rossi | abrotman i have cut r8180 out of /etc/modules and now the kernel boots well and iwconfig gives me the wirelessext and r8180 is also loaded |
| 13:03.44 | abrotman | lunitik: i'd check the bts . i haven't seen anything .. but i haven't been up long :) |
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| 13:04.03 | abrotman | rossi: and ? |
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| 13:04.40 | rossi | but I dunno know how I can access the wlan here it has no key |
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| 13:04.56 | Andy837 | is it possible to reconfigure using dpkg? |
| 13:05.05 | Tortel | !tell me if your alive |
| 13:05.06 | abrotman | Andy837: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | Tortel: /msg dpkg tell me if you're alive |
| 13:05.24 | Tortel | i am |
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| 13:05.28 | abrotman | rossi: didn't you just say it works ? |
| 13:05.35 | Tortel | i did that to open the msg tab |
| 13:05.52 | rossi | when u open the browser in win and try to surf to a domain u will be redirected to site where u have to enter u re l/p |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | Tortel: /msg dpkg hi |
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| 13:06.18 | rossi | but when i try to surf somewhere now page is coming |
| 13:06.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:06.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:06.30 | arturaz | how do i remove all package pin's? |
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| 13:06.55 | lunitik | abrotman: it also tells me about not having /usr/sbin/mkinitrd ... but it _is_ there... |
| 13:07.07 | abrotman | lunitik: that's kind of odd ... |
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| 13:07.27 | lunitik | abrotman: yes... I guess I'm reinstalling again... yay |
| 13:07.42 | abrotman | lunitik: why ? |
| 13:07.47 | abrotman | lunitik: can't you justnot install it ? |
| 13:07.55 | lunitik | Cuz I don't want to use 2.4 :/ |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | lunitik: yes .. but why not wait a day or so ? |
| 13:08.21 | abrotman | (though .. you did just install) |
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| 13:11.47 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
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| 13:11.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you take it to the shop ? |
| 13:11.59 | rossi | abrotman it must be dhcp i think it has a access point no student has a static ip |
| 13:12.49 | Andy837 | how can i disable the check for local inputs on x windows system? |
| 13:12.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: awww not yet, i will do that, you are the first to know it ok? |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | rossi: ok |
| 13:13.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: i hope the third :) |
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| 13:13.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: you really shuuld |
| 13:13.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: esp. if the intonation needs adjusted |
| 13:13.57 | Brox | did someone here talk with his PDA over Samba? I'm assuming your using Windows on your PDA because Linux on a Dell Axim x30 (mine) chrashes after 15 min (so its unusable). |
| 13:14.02 | war92 | How do I print from Gimp in Etch? IT seems like print support has been removed. |
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| 13:14.20 | slept | is it true that there is no acpi support in the 2.6.12 kernel image, or do I miss the right boot parameter ? |
| 13:14.21 | Tortel | war92: there is a lib for that |
| 13:14.34 | Tortel | war92: cant remeber what its called tho |
| 13:14.34 | war92 | Tortel: happen to know which I am missing? |
| 13:14.36 | supaman | hey, is it possible to have both a sblive 5.1 and a onboard soundcard that lspci shows as "Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]" ??? |
| 13:14.37 | war92 | shiet |
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| 13:14.50 | supaman | and make them work I mean :) |
| 13:14.54 | war92 | supaman: sblive 5.1 = oem cheapass card |
| 13:14.56 | rossi | curious when I make iwlist wlan0 scanning it finds a accesspoit with Address but when I make iwconfig there is not the address standing |
| 13:14.57 | abrotman | slept: i'm sure it's there .. i'm using it |
| 13:15.00 | war92 | if it says es1371 |
| 13:15.01 | Brox | ok has someone here routed his pc over WLAN? |
| 13:15.27 | war92 | Tortel: can you dpkg -l and check? |
| 13:15.28 | slept | abrotman: can you tell me what option you give to grub? |
| 13:15.46 | supaman | war92: the SB5.1 works fine for me ... would like to use the onboard one for my headphone (when talking on skype) |
| 13:15.47 | Tortel | war92: For me (I have sarge) its libgimpprint1 |
| 13:15.59 | war92 | supaman: ah yeah you can use both |
| 13:16.00 | Tortel | war92: I would look for similar |
| 13:16.01 | war92 | Tortel: k |
| 13:16.18 | abrotman | slept: none? |
| 13:16.43 | supaman | war92: well, it wont work for me ... not even lspci sees the onboard card when the sblive thing is in its pci slot |
| 13:17.01 | war92 | supaman: ah |
| 13:17.06 | war92 | supaman: weird, you loaded the other driver? |
| 13:17.08 | war92 | how does it not work/.? |
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| 13:17.24 | war92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.29 | slept | abrotman: thats strange if I give none I dont get /proc/acpi , therefor it doesnt work |
| 13:17.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: intonation? |
| 13:17.46 | supaman | war92: well, I cant load a drive for something that the system doesnt see (at bootup the kernel only detects the sblive and not the ensoniq one) |
| 13:17.49 | abrotman | slept: did you load acpid ? |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know .. intonation |
| 13:17.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: is that where you turn the buttons on the head, those six? |
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| 13:18.09 | nishart | hello |
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| 13:18.19 | nishart | it asks: when loading the Xs and before gdm begins leaves a quite ugly background to me, exist the possibility of changing it, like? |
| 13:18.22 | narma | hello :) |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's tuning ... |
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| 13:18.32 | supaman | war92: its a compac machine and I am not sure if there is some bios setting that I have to set for this to work |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: you said before it sounds .. off when you play |
| 13:18.48 | war92 | Tortel: apt-get install gimp-print under Etch allows me to print under gimp. |
| 13:18.52 | Coke | Is there some way to find out why a package was removed from testing and when it might reappear? |
| 13:18.52 | war92 | supaman: ah,, pia |
| 13:18.53 | Tortel | war92: Also cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 13:18.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: aha |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intonation#Guitar |
| 13:18.57 | Tortel | war92: Also cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data |
| 13:19.01 | narma | I can't rip CD/CDDA from my external USB2 DVD drive (SONY DRX-720UL) |
| 13:19.04 | war92 | Tortel: I use lprng :) |
| 13:19.12 | Tortel | :O |
| 13:19.13 | valdyn_ | narma: why cant you? |
| 13:19.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: they suggested i change the strings with plastic ones... but i'll go to the shop first... |
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| 13:19.27 | narma | valdyn_, i don't know |
| 13:19.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: they who ? |
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| 13:19.39 | narma | valdyn_, I can play cd with gnome totem |
| 13:19.41 | valdyn_ | !tell narma -about ask |
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| 13:19.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: two friends who also play the guitar |
| 13:19.49 | slept | abrotman: yes, but it does nothing when I start it |
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| 13:20.03 | konfusius | hi |
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| 13:20.27 | Karat3 | i installed debian with debootstrap. whatever when i boot it it does not activate eth0. calling "ifup -a" results in several eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 13:20.32 | Karat3 | can you help me? |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i told you .. i think it's a normal guitar .. but that's why i told you to take it to the shop .. if it is a normal guitar .. and you put classical on .. it can be just as bad as the reverse .. take it to someone who knows .. |
| 13:20.42 | konfusius | anyone managed to put videos on the video iPod? |
| 13:20.48 | narma | abcde give me : [WAR] something went wrong while querying the CD... Maybe a DATA CD? but I have test several music CD |
| 13:20.48 | usn | i folx |
| 13:20.49 | abrotman | slept: maybe your machine isn't acpi compliant ? |
| 13:21.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok , i will do that, the evening next week |
| 13:21.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: ASAP! |
| 13:21.21 | Andy837 | is it possible to reconfigure using dpkg? |
| 13:21.35 | slept | abrotman: it is , i know . I did an bios update to get full acpi support |
| 13:21.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: let me put it this way .. if it's strung improperly .. the longer it's like that .. the more damage that will happen |
| 13:21.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok ASAP, today must eat fondue, tomorrow shops closed. monday evening maybe |
| 13:21.54 | nishart | like change the bottom of the Xfree that appears before the starting of gdm? |
| 13:21.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok i understood |
| 13:22.00 | abrotman | slept: i don't even load acpi modules manually .. i just installed acpid .. and it took care of the rest |
| 13:22.11 | slept | sigh |
| 13:22.17 | narma | when I try with ripperx, it tells me that I may not have the good rights byut I am into the cdrom group and I test it with chmod 777 on /cdrom and /dev/sr0, /dev/scd0 |
| 13:22.48 | abrotman | slept: dmesg | grep -i acpi |
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| 13:23.03 | abrotman | slept: nothing ? |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: today! |
| 13:23.28 | asg | narma: does it work as root |
| 13:23.33 | slept | abrotman: nothing |
| 13:23.39 | valdyn_ | narma: dont fuck with permissions, just add yourself to the cdrom group should suffice |
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| 13:24.06 | abrotman | slept: do you have any acpi modules loaded ? |
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| 13:24.13 | slept | abrotman: maybe the kernel decided my machine is to old , is there a way to work around that |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | slept: it could have decided that your chipset is known to be broken and disabled it .. but there should be something in demsg then i think |
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| 13:25.05 | Ronin | hummm, |
| 13:25.22 | slept | abrotman: no , the module should be called acpi ? dmesg gives me nothing |
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| 13:25.27 | abrotman | !fight Ronin |
| 13:25.39 | mcm | why the installation of gconf2 2.10.1-6 wants to remove almost all of my gnome apps? |
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| 13:25.53 | asg | mcm: what debian version? |
| 13:26.00 | Ronin` | what the hell was that? lol joined and disconnected? |
| 13:26.23 | mcm | asg: unstable |
| 13:26.27 | asg | mcm: check the bts |
| 13:26.34 | valdyn_ | narma: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 13:26.53 | Ronin | grrrrr |
| 13:26.55 | mcm | asg: bts means bugtracking? right? |
| 13:27.07 | asg | of course |
| 13:27.13 | mcm | thanks. |
| 13:27.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm glad i'm not married to you |
| 13:28.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: why ? |
| 13:28.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: you always drop the soap ? |
| 13:28.17 | Karat3 | how to activate eth0 in my kernel? eth0 is not working at the moment |
| 13:28.32 | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM | a |
| 13:28.42 | dimir | whatta |
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| 13:29.02 | abrotman | what a freaking tard |
| 13:29.02 | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM | a |
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| 13:29.15 | abrotman | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM: stop |
| 13:29.28 | abrotman | Karat3: why not ? |
| 13:29.28 | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM | dont u ever sleep mm8 |
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| 13:29.51 | valdyn_ | !nickometer MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 13:29.52 | dpkg | 'MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM' is 99.9517% lame, valdyn_ |
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| 13:30.03 | abrotman | !beer caphuso |
| 13:30.05 | slept | how can I tell the lvm2create_initrd tool which kernel the initrd should be created for ? |
| 13:30.08 | dimir | great |
| 13:30.08 | abrotman | and add 5 more :) |
| 13:30.18 | nvz_ | :) |
| 13:30.53 | nvz_ | I dont know why IRSSI cant handle fucking nicks properly |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | it can .. you can't |
| 13:31.16 | nvz_ | my nick is nvz, and my alt_nick is enveezee |
| 13:31.22 | nvz_ | they are set. ffs |
| 13:31.32 | nvz_ | somehow I keep comming home to being nvz_ |
| 13:31.49 | Larsioa | !nickometer Laney |
| 13:32.02 | Larsioa | !nickometer Larsioa |
| 13:32.29 | abrotman | !nickmeter Larsioa |
| 13:32.30 | dpkg | Larsioa is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 13:33.02 | Larsioa | !nickmeter abrotman |
| 13:33.03 | dpkg | abrotman is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 13:33.04 | cheal | Larsioa: he's cheating |
| 13:33.07 | Larsioa | ;) |
| 13:33.11 | cheal | Larsioa: yay! :) |
| 13:33.20 | abrotman | cheal: i'm cheating ? |
| 13:33.28 | abrotman | the nickometer is gone i think |
| 13:33.28 | bonz | hmm I have no issues with nicks in irssi |
| 13:33.39 | Larsioa | abrotman: no |
| 13:33.42 | abrotman | bonz: ignore nvz_ .. he's a yinzer |
| 13:33.49 | Larsioa | abrotman: it just prives you with the result. |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | !nickometer abauer |
| 13:33.58 | nvz_ | bah, where can I find mirrors for the netinstall? I really dont feel like waiting a half an hour to get started here |
| 13:33.58 | cheal | abrotman: isn't nickometer just answering privately after a few times? |
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| 13:34.09 | abrotman | Larsioa: ah .. so it does |
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| 13:34.26 | cheal | nvz_: http://debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
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| 13:34.34 | nvz_ | irssi doesnt fucking do what its suppose to, has nothing to do with me being a yinzer |
| 13:34.40 | dimir | !nickometer dimir |
| 13:34.47 | dimir | :-) |
| 13:34.50 | dimir | good |
| 13:34.54 | nvz_ | I set my nick and my alternate_nick and somehow I keep ending up with this fucking nick |
| 13:34.57 | dhchris | hello which is the german debian channel? |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | nvz_: was the documentation written in yinzer ? |
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| 13:35.07 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:35.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 13:35.09 | amorphix | whats a yinzer? |
| 13:35.17 | dhchris | thanks |
| 13:35.18 | abrotman | amorphix: www.pittsburghese.com |
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| 13:35.38 | abrotman | amorphix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinz |
| 13:35.46 | nvz_ | abrotman: the documentation is irrelevant. if I set my nick to nvz, and my alternate_nick to enveezee, htf am I nvz_ ? |
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| 13:35.54 | amorphix | ta |
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| 13:36.10 | abrotman | nvz_: you forgot to restart irssi ? |
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| 13:36.27 | nvz_ | abrotman: I shouldnt have to restart irssi. |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | nvz_: are you sure ? |
| 13:36.46 | nvz_ | abrotman: and it works sometimes.. when they rehub I sometimes come back as enveezee |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | nvz_: oh |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman | bonz: who ? |
| 13:37.00 | bonz | still dunno why it insists making an ogg stream m3u |
| 13:37.00 | nvz_ | abrotman: other times I end up with this damn unregistered nick |
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| 13:37.34 | nvz_ | abrotman: its got to be irssi's fault the string nvz_ exists nowhere on my entire network let alone this system |
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| 13:38.03 | abrotman | nvz_: well .. duh .. |
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| 13:38.16 | abrotman | nvz_: what if enveezee is taken .. what's next after that ? |
| 13:38.41 | nvz_ | abrotman: how the fuck do both my nicks get taken? |
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| 13:38.59 | abrotman | nvz_: ping timeouts that are realized on your end .. but not in fn |
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| 13:40.36 | amorphix | you yinzers |
| 13:40.36 | bonz | abrotman: one good reason too ssh into a machine less lagged & irc from there :) |
| 13:40.40 | nvz_ | abrotman: yeah but my last connect before this one which was a ping timeout was 2 days ago.. about a day ago I switched from enveezee to nvz, then around midnight last night I pinged out as nvz, and I came back as enveezee |
| 13:40.50 | abrotman | bonz: sometimes |
| 13:40.55 | nvz_ | abrotman: there was no good reason why it used nvz_ instead of enveezee |
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| 13:41.04 | nvz_ | abrotman: I can see if I had two ghosts on the network |
| 13:41.09 | nvz_ | but I dont |
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| 13:41.33 | nvz_ | in which case I need a damn script to kill my ghosts before I join channels |
| 13:41.35 | tom76 | unstable fails to startup (x86). Lots of errors, I suspect some base library is not correctly installed. Currently running knoppix, the harddisk partitions are mounted. What is the best way to go from here? |
| 13:41.41 | abrotman | nvz_: i don't have logs to support/deny that |
| 13:41.51 | nvz_ | thats a rare case. and its never been the reason for IRSSI making my nick nvz_ |
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| 13:43.01 | abrotman | nvz_: why don't you experiment |
| 13:43.07 | Boil | Oooohh |
| 13:43.08 | Boil | sexy |
| 13:43.09 | Boil | http://www.jmusheneaux.com/JOBS/BILL%20GATES%20NEWSWEEK.jpg |
| 13:44.46 | abrotman | nvz_: start pulling your NIC cable .. we'll see what happens |
| 13:44.49 | valdyn | nvz_: you using /usr/share/irssi/keepnick.pl ? |
| 13:45.14 | nvz_ | no but plain irssi should at least respect the nick settings in its damn config |
| 13:45.26 | nvz_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1130 |
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| 13:46.51 | abrotman | nvz_: i think it's pretty obvious .. |
| 13:47.00 | nvz_ | this doesnt even make sense.. at the bottom of that log, I got nickserv telling me nvz_ is not registered, then telling me that my nick is owned by Enveezee |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | nvz_: enveezee was already in use .. i asked if that were the case |
| 13:47.13 | nvz_ | it wasnt |
| 13:47.18 | nvz_ | yesturday I was nvz |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | oh wait . i read it wrong |
| 13:47.40 | nvz_ | I should be enveezee right now if IRSSI wasnt buggy |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | nvz_: restart irssi! |
| 13:48.19 | nvz_ | no, there is no reason to. I set these settings like 3 years ago, and I've used different pcs, and rebooted many times since then |
| 13:48.34 | nvz_ | it happens once in a while, which is too frequently for me considering it should not happen at all |
| 13:48.56 | nvz_ | if I tell the fucking program what my two nicks are, I expect it to only use those two nicks |
| 13:49.06 | nvz_ | I gave it two so this didnt happen |
| 13:49.07 | caphuso | nvz_: what version of irssi? |
| 13:49.10 | amorphix | hi |
| 13:49.20 | nvz_ | latest. 0.8.9 sarge |
| 13:49.56 | nvz_ | I would just register and link nvz_ but I dont like this nick |
| 13:50.13 | pngwn | /c/ignore -replies nvz_ |
| 13:50.25 | nvz_ | nice try |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | nvz_: how many apps do you know that reread thier config file without a HUP or ful lrestart ? |
| 13:50.43 | nvz_ | better not go by nick, I am chaging it (obviously) |
| 13:51.03 | Heaven | exit |
| 13:51.10 | nvz_ | abrotman: the file hasnt changed in 3 years for one thing, and for another.. irssi has commands to save and reload the config |
| 13:51.29 | caphuso | nvz_: it has been fixed in 0.8.10-rcX |
| 13:51.31 | nvz_ | abrotman: it works because two days ago I lost connection when lilo rehubbed, and I came back as enveezee |
| 13:51.41 | nvz_ | caphuso: cool, not in debian yet though right? |
| 13:51.54 | caphuso | nvz_: the irssi versions in debian are _old_ |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | !info irssi-text sid |
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| 13:52.07 | nvz_ | I doubt the fix will make it into sarge's 0.8.9 |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 781 kB, Installed size: 2436 kB |
| 13:52.21 | nvz_ | I thought IRSSI 0.8.9 was still current stable version |
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| 13:52.47 | caphuso | nvz_: yes, and it has been so since 2003 |
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| 13:53.33 | nvz_ | bah.. I've been downloading this damn netinstall image for like half an hour and still got more than that to go.. I need a faster mirror _bad_ |
| 13:53.46 | nvz_ | I wanted to install this girl's pc like days ago.. I dont have time for this.. |
| 13:54.09 | tom76 | unstable fails to startup (x86). Lots of errors, I suspect some base library is not correctly installed. Currently running knoppix, the harddisk partitions are mounted. What is the best way to go from here? |
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| 13:54.49 | Karat3 | how to change the localisation of my keyboard? |
| 13:55.02 | AngelGabriel | I HATE DEBIAN |
| 13:55.08 | asg | Karat3: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 13:55.51 | asg | tom76: has it only just stopped working? |
| 13:56.11 | AngelGabriel | What is the best apt proxy to use? |
| 13:56.39 | asg | AngelGabriel: apt-proxy, squid, etc. |
| 13:56.40 | nvz_ | I had like 4 copies of D-I pre-sarge-release and cant find any of them |
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| 13:57.12 | abrotman | tom76: then ask #knoppix |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | oh .. ignore me |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | i misread |
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| 13:58.40 | Gyuszk | rebye |
| 13:58.55 | asg | morons |
| 14:00.04 | nvz | ah, there it is on the floor :P |
| 14:00.12 | narma | is there a cdparanioa test on my usb drive from wich I cant rip to mp3 : http://narma.free.fr/depot/irc/ripMP3.txt |
| 14:00.20 | nvz | silly me for looking in the cd case |
| 14:01.37 | nvz | hmm the cd-rom is broken in this pc. |
| 14:01.54 | nvz | didn't notice that in my priliminary inspection |
| 14:02.05 | nvz | luckily it has a cdrw too |
| 14:02.11 | nvz | and thats not my problem :P |
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| 14:02.32 | nvz | I can make it my problem for a few extra $'s |
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| 14:02.53 | plbgnr | hello, which is the best image viewer? |
| 14:02.59 | asg | !best |
| 14:02.59 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 14:03.31 | abrotman | eog is obviously the best |
| 14:03.44 | nvz | bah |
| 14:03.53 | nvz | working with broken keyboards is such a pain |
| 14:04.01 | Larsioa | then buy a new. |
| 14:04.07 | nvz | yeah right |
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| 14:04.31 | zerve_the_death | nvz, get the new microsoft one |
| 14:04.32 | zerve_the_death | :p |
| 14:04.41 | nvz | this keyboard works.. the rest of them I just keep around for times like this when I am installing another pc |
| 14:04.52 | plbgnr | ...for fotography viewing |
| 14:05.00 | nvz | the one I am using on this girl's pc has a broken right ctrl, which is really annoying |
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| 14:05.20 | nvz | er left ctrl |
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| 14:05.22 | asg | plbgnr: apt-cache search image viewer (try them all, use the one that works the best for you) |
| 14:05.25 | nvz | the right one I dont need |
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| 14:06.11 | mamar | Bonjour |
| 14:06.14 | mamar | Erm.. hi |
| 14:06.21 | nvz | I wanted to mount her hd from the installer to make sure I am spelling her name right.. but without my right ctrl I cant do that |
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| 14:06.43 | plbgnr | asg: I expected tip with your opinion why is certain viewer the best... |
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| 14:07.06 | plbgnr | asg: but ok I'll try them all |
| 14:07.11 | AngelGabriel | can anyone recommend a debian based distro that can install and configure x automatically? |
| 14:07.21 | Larsioa | AngelGabriel: kanotix |
| 14:07.21 | asg | plbgnr: my idea of best and yours are likely totally incompatible. I like gqview for what it's worth. |
| 14:07.34 | AngelGabriel | I have a room of 36 machines, and am i NOT in the mood to debug all of them today! |
| 14:07.53 | Larsioa | AngelGabriel: go make a cluster. |
| 14:08.06 | asg | AngelGabriel: /msg dpkg fai |
| 14:08.23 | Arsion | can anyone tell me what could cause debian to not restart? for example, during the install, it went to reboot and froze. I had to reboot it by turning off the power. I also went to reboot it myself to make sure that my wireless would start on boot, and the same thing happened |
| 14:08.41 | nvz | ah nm.. I dont need the ctrl key.. for some weird reason from my installer cd I can do Alt+F3 and Alt+F4 but I cant use Alt+F1 or Alt+F2 to get to the other consoles.. maybe my F1 and F2 keys are broken too and I never noticed |
| 14:08.57 | asg | AngelGabriel: anything interesting in /var/log/syslog? |
| 14:08.59 | asg | bah |
| 14:09.05 | asg | Arsion: anything intereseting in /var/log/syslog? |
| 14:09.15 | blondie | AngelGabriel: ubuntu |
| 14:09.25 | cheal | AngelGabriel: debian with an enter key |
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| 14:10.00 | AngelGabriel | Larsioa - I would LOVE to build a cluster - but i don't know what I'll use it for! |
| 14:10.12 | asg | nvz: try Alt + left/right arrow keys |
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| 14:10.22 | Larsioa | AngelGabriel: fun :P |
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| 14:10.42 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: mpich or lampich is one way |
| 14:10.47 | AngelGabriel | Larsioa - I might just have to use it to re-encode my entire DivX collection! |
| 14:11.01 | Larsioa | AngelGabriel: good idea! |
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| 14:11.48 | Larsioa | oh i just love the smell of a Sun cobalt server. |
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| 14:12.10 | AngelGabriel | cheal, debian, with an enter key? |
| 14:12.17 | Arsion | localhost rpc.statd[2210]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. |
| 14:12.26 | AngelGabriel | blondie, I use Ubuntu on my macs .... real nice system |
| 14:12.36 | nvz | asg: yeah thats what I did, but I cant figure out how to mount the fucker now.. looks like this cd uses devfs, and I am lost.. I got cfdisk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc to come up and show me a partition it calls disc1, but in /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ there is only disc and part1 |
| 14:12.45 | nvz | asg: mounting part1 fails no such device |
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| 14:13.10 | Arsion | asg: thats about all i see that stands out |
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| 14:13.23 | Brox | what does local do? |
| 14:13.34 | nvz | its probably lying to me.. it probably means it doesnt support ntfs |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | wtf does ubuntu have to do with cobalts .. or debian .. |
| 14:14.07 | nvz | oh well I am proceeding, if her name is spelled wrong I will just have to chage a bunch of config files later |
| 14:14.18 | Arsion | asg: see a couple if signal 15's right before it froze and i had to power it off |
| 14:14.30 | Brox | or when i run rc-status i |
| 14:14.30 | Brox | get domainname [ off ] |
| 14:14.30 | Brox | what is it for? |
| 14:14.45 | nvz | !dstats sarge |
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| 14:15.59 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
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| 14:16.30 | nvz | hmm I was going to use the installed size for a reference on partitioning, but I wasnt expecting it to say 28183MB :P |
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| 14:16.51 | abrotman | nvz: well .. if it makes you feel better .. you can't install everything at the same time :) |
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| 14:17.29 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I know. she has an 80GB drive.. I was trying to give her a safe ammount on / and leave all the rest on /home so she doesnt accidentally fill up / |
| 14:17.35 | Arsion | lol...hmm, i think I only have 1 partition large enough for that. an 80g broken down into 6 parts |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | nvz: 20 and 20 ? |
| 14:17.54 | abrotman | nvz: 15 and 25 ? |
| 14:18.04 | nvz | abrotman: are you on crack? |
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| 14:18.28 | tarzeau | and it's only .. uhm 104 MB ;) |
| 14:18.30 | abrotman | nvz: 10 and 30 ? |
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| 14:18.42 | nvz | abrotman: your calculations only add up to 40gb |
| 14:18.43 | abrotman | nvz: i vote 10 and 30 .. |
| 14:18.44 | moshii | does anyone know if it's possible to feed make-kpkg a premade initrd to install with the kernel? |
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| 14:18.51 | abrotman | nvz: didn't you say dual boot ? |
| 14:19.05 | Arsion | can someone explain why the installer refused to let me make / larger then 250+mb? |
| 14:19.13 | nvz | abrotman: no, I am replacing Win2k Pro.. it doesnt boot anymore not even to safe mode command prompt |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. nm .. you need like 10-15 for / .. assuming no other partitions |
| 14:20.20 | nvz | abrotman: I am thinking about maybe setting her up a wiki or something.. I have no idea what she'd be interested in... just want her to like it even though I get paid either way. |
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| 14:20.49 | Arsion | everytime i tried, it wanted to write changes. So, i would let it and then try again, only to get the same problem. Finally, i noticed it said the MAX I could set for / was 250 some mb's |
| 14:20.51 | abrotman | nvz: you're such a porn star |
| 14:20.55 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:20.57 | asg | Arsion: try booting with acpi=off and noapic |
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| 14:21.05 | nvz | abrotman: whats porn got to do with anything? |
| 14:21.15 | Arsion | asg: how do I set that? |
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| 14:21.18 | abrotman | nvz: you just want paid .. you don't care if she likes it |
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| 14:21.26 | asg | Arsion: are you using lilo or grub? |
| 14:21.31 | nvz | abrotman: I want her to be happy with it and not run back to windows |
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| 14:21.37 | bopi | hi is debian kernel contain some unique patches than other kernels? |
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| 14:21.57 | asg | bopi: yes |
| 14:22.02 | abrotman | bopi: probably .. check the changelog |
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| 14:22.07 | Arsion | asg: grub |
| 14:22.15 | nvz | abrotman: I just dont know what a girl her age would like other than an instant messenger |
| 14:22.18 | bopi | debian is the only distribution that fragroute doesnt work on |
| 14:22.24 | asg | Arsion: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add 'acpi=off noapic' at the end of the kernel line. |
| 14:22.27 | bopi | and its in apt repositories |
| 14:22.30 | bopi | so why they inlcuded it? |
| 14:22.42 | moshii | nvz: amarok and lot's of bad music? |
| 14:22.50 | nvz | abrotman: I figure if she had a wiki she might like it.. girls are really social.. she has dsl, so she could make her own wiki and share it with her friends *shrug* |
| 14:23.06 | Maquaii | a mobile phone which you pay the bills for |
| 14:23.06 | abrotman | nvz: i hope she's cute! |
| 14:23.16 | abrotman | nvz: speaking of .. did you call carlie yet ? :) |
| 14:23.17 | bopi | asg any idea? |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | cassie ? |
| 14:23.24 | nvz | yeah I am sure she is. |
| 14:23.32 | nvz | abrotman: who the hell is carlie? you mean Cara? |
| 14:23.34 | asg | abrotman: if she is, he should just leave windows on then he will have more opportunities to go over and fix it |
| 14:23.37 | abrotman | nvz: yeah |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 14:23.47 | nvz | abrotman: no, not planning on it |
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| 14:24.04 | asg | bopi: check /usr/share/doc/fragroute/README.Debian{.gz} and see if there is anything mentioned. Also, bugs.debian.org/fragroute |
| 14:24.10 | shernas | hello |
| 14:24.16 | Maquaii | hi |
| 14:24.18 | nvz | abrotman: actually come to think of it there is probably a picture of this girl on this partition I am about to hose with ext3 |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | nvz: you should be impressed i remembered even part of her name :) |
| 14:24.25 | Arsion | asg: also found out the original signal 15 came from afpd[2207] |
| 14:24.41 | nvz | abrotman: yeah considering she's of no significance to you |
| 14:24.53 | shernas | hello there, maybe someone could help me to solve this kernel problem, I am installing this kernel 'debian way'! :) the error is here: http://library.unixware.lt/~tomas/kernel.error |
| 14:24.58 | shernas | what should i do |
| 14:25.00 | shernas | ? |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | nvz: did you know my brain is all fucked up? :) |
| 14:25.25 | asg | Arsion: that's in the netatalk package. Are you connecting to any Macs using appletalk? |
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| 14:25.27 | Maquaii | either read what the people are talking about, or talk your self |
| 14:25.30 | nvz | abrotman: nope.. whats wrong with your brain? |
| 14:25.35 | Arsion | asg: nope |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | nvz: don't you ever read what i type? :) |
| 14:25.43 | shernas | does someone know the solution? |
| 14:25.48 | nvz | heh |
| 14:25.49 | widya | halo hoe are myaou |
| 14:25.56 | asg | Arsion: well, if booting with 'acpi=off noapic' doesn't fix things, try removing the netatalk package. |
| 14:25.59 | valdyn | shernas: use a kernel where that driver isnt broken |
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| 14:26.06 | shernas | valdyn for example? |
| 14:26.07 | bopi | asg nothing relevant there.. and i didnt see a debian system that it works on yet |
| 14:26.11 | Arsion | asg: the pc this is on, is a server with wireless |
| 14:26.22 | abrotman | shernas: why are you compiling your own kernel ? |
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| 14:26.46 | valdyn | shernas: no idea, i dont use ipr ( whatever that might be ) |
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| 14:27.04 | asg | bopi: I've never used it so I don't have any first hand experience. You can try building a vanilla kernel and see if that works. |
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| 14:27.06 | shernas | abrotman: you mean? :) |
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| 14:27.11 | abrotman | shernas: why are you compiling your own kernel ? |
| 14:27.12 | shernas | I just did this shit: nano Makefile |
| 14:27.17 | shernas | and in extraversion i put my name :) |
| 14:27.20 | Arsion | asg: went ahead and removed it anyways. no need for it |
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| 14:27.24 | asg | Arsion: *nod* |
| 14:27.27 | shernas | that's all abrotman |
| 14:27.33 | abrotman | shernas: but .. WHY ? .. now how .. why? |
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| 14:27.42 | Arsion | asg: is there anyway to increase the partition size of / ? |
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| 14:27.50 | asg | Arsion: what filesystem is on it? |
| 14:27.53 | shernas | abrotman: I don't know, does it means something?? |
| 14:27.56 | valdyn | shernas: that's not a problem IF you run make-kpkg clean after that, but its just wrong too |
| 14:28.02 | shernas | just to look it better |
| 14:28.07 | shernas | valdyn I did :) |
| 14:28.09 | sanxiyn | Arsion: Boot with rescue CD and parted? |
| 14:28.13 | abrotman | shernas: why are you bothering to compile your own kernel instead of using a package ? |
| 14:28.14 | Arsion | asg: ext3 . the debian installer forced me to set it at 250 something MB |
| 14:28.18 | narma | which module must be loaded to have /dev/sgx scsi device ? it seems that cdparanoia need this device since I have an external USB DVD-rom |
| 14:28.23 | shernas | abrotman: I am not bothering! |
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| 14:28.28 | sanxiyn | Arsion: Really? |
| 14:28.31 | shernas | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
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| 14:28.35 | shernas | I am using this manual |
| 14:28.36 | Arsion | sanxiyn: yes |
| 14:28.43 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
| 14:28.47 | shernas | this is a first time I am compiling kernel in debian way |
| 14:28.50 | abrotman | i'm speaking english .. right ? |
| 14:28.52 | sanxiyn | Arsion: It never did such thing to me. |
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| 14:28.59 | asg | Arsion: well, parted can resize ext3 filesystems. You might just create new partitions and move /usr /var /home /tmp to them. 250M is okay for '/' if you move /usr, /var, /home, and /tmp |
| 14:29.09 | shernas | abrotman: I am using this manual to compile the kernel http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
| 14:29.13 | nvz | bah screw this.. I am going to take a break and get something to eat first.. I am not thinking clearly |
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| 14:29.22 | sanxiyn | shernas: Can you read? |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | !tell shernas about kp |
| 14:29.27 | valdyn | !find ipr.ko |
| 14:29.54 | sanxiyn | shernas: "I will describe how to do this on a Debian Woody machine (a description for Debian Sarge can be found here!)" |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | that failed wonderfully |
| 14:29.55 | shernas | interesting :) |
| 14:29.58 | Arsion | asg: i have 6 partitions. just alot of times, i download sources to /root and build and install them from there |
| 14:29.58 | sanxiyn | (From the page you referenced.) |
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| 14:30.17 | asg | Arsion: then symlink /root to /path/to/some/other/partition/root |
| 14:30.30 | asg | Arsion: or edit root's $HOME in /etc/passwd |
| 14:30.31 | Arsion | asg: ah, thanks. didnt think about that |
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| 14:31.37 | warrio | anyone there ? |
| 14:31.46 | asg | warrio: no |
| 14:31.49 | warrio | :)) |
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| 14:31.57 | warrio | i have problem on debian.. |
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| 14:32.03 | asg | !tell warrio about ask |
| 14:32.46 | Arsion | sanxiyn: i think the reason it forced me is cause i pick the multi-user workstation |
| 14:32.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipr.ko' (4 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/ipr.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-1-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/ipr.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/ipr.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-1-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/ipr.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-1-386. |
| 14:33.03 | sanxiyn | Arsion: You can override it's decision easily. |
| 14:33.13 | Arsion | sanxiyn: tried and it wouldnt let me |
| 14:33.17 | sanxiyn | Arsion: Well, if you want to partition yourself, don't use automatic partitioning. As simple as that. |
| 14:33.23 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 14:33.33 | Arsion | sanxiyn: everytime i tried, it wanted to write changes. So, i would let it and then try again, only to get the same problem. Finally, i noticed it said the MAX I could set for / was 250 some mb's |
| 14:33.43 | sanxiyn | Sigh. |
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| 14:33.50 | nvz | heh, good thing I stopped there is only one R in her name, would have been annoying to have edit all those configs if I did it wrong.. its easier to spell it right in the installer |
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| 14:34.18 | warrio | I have a problem with tar; I'm running Debian version 2.4.27-2-386. when I try to do tar -zxvf some.file.tar.gz I get the following output Segmentation fault |
| 14:34.21 | angelgabriel | I'm looking for a super fast, super light weight debian distro.... any ideas? |
| 14:34.42 | sanxiyn | angelgabriel: Debian. |
| 14:34.44 | fken | hello is there a i386 release of kde 3.4 ? |
| 14:34.44 | warrio | i try to reinsall tar but isn't help |
| 14:34.52 | angelgabriel | All I need, if I have to be honest, is to run firefox on 36 clients, and that's it |
| 14:34.56 | asg | warrio: 2.4.27 is the kernel version, what debian version are you using? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:34.58 | Arsion | sanxiyn: well, all of them but 2 were ok. thats why i did it, made it faster for me |
| 14:35.13 | warrio | asg version 3.1 |
| 14:35.13 | angelgabriel | sanxiyn, Great, i think i'll go try that..... |
| 14:35.19 | valdyn | angelgabriel: about everything is optional in debian |
| 14:35.32 | asg | warrio: what does 'file some.file.tar.gz' print? |
| 14:35.36 | angelgabriel | valdyn, Tru ..... hmm..... |
| 14:35.51 | sanxiyn | angelgabriel: NFS root? |
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| 14:36.20 | slibs | fken: yes, but it's the same package for all |
| 14:36.21 | angelgabriel | I think a better question would have been, I need a light weight window manager |
| 14:36.31 | angelgabriel | that can run firefox |
| 14:36.34 | shernas | library:/usr/src/linux-2.6.14.2# make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -snow-atch kernel_image |
| 14:36.35 | sanxiyn | angelgabriel: IceWM. |
| 14:36.35 | warrio | asg this is just example... all .tar.gz files if i want to unpackt gave me error: Segmentation fault |
| 14:36.37 | shernas | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the va |
| 14:36.38 | shernas | I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
| 14:36.42 | sanxiyn | angelgabriel: Any window manager can run firefox. |
| 14:36.44 | abrotman | angelgabriel: blackbox |
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| 14:36.51 | valdyn | angelgabriel: what kind of clients are these? WMs are *tiny* compared to what firefox itself needs |
| 14:36.53 | shernas | !tell shernas about kp |
| 14:36.54 | darkness | I want to use yahoo chat with debian. I've heard of ymessenger. Will this do the job? |
| 14:37.01 | slibs | angelgabriel: i like fluxbox, it needs lil' tweaking though |
| 14:37.08 | asg | warrio: paste the output of 'strace tar -xvzf <foo.tar.gz>' using our paster bot (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 14:37.23 | darkness | Or is there a browser for debian that works with yahoo chat? |
| 14:37.25 | doleyb | darkness: you can use gaim for that. |
| 14:37.31 | sanxiyn | darkness: Gaim? |
| 14:37.33 | slibs | abrotman: why use blackbox when you can use fluxbox? |
| 14:37.34 | darkness | I hate gaim. |
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| 14:37.46 | abrotman | slibs: because blackbox is better? |
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| 14:37.53 | lunitik | abrotman: reinstalling with 'linux26' did actually fix the issue... |
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| 14:37.57 | nvz | abrotman: speaking of pictures.. I just found some old pictures of myself on my old yahoo photos site :P |
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| 14:38.00 | slibs | abrotman: what's better in blackbox? |
| 14:38.01 | abrotman | lunitik: yay |
| 14:38.01 | doleyb | darkness: ok, you can use kopete then. |
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| 14:38.04 | fken | slibs : atp get returned me that i need libboost-python1.33.0 to install kdeedu to instal kde-amusement to install kde to install amarok or k3b |
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| 14:38.13 | abrotman | slibs: i know how to use it ? |
| 14:38.14 | lunitik | abrotman: which means no current user of 2.6 will report the issue...... |
| 14:38.21 | abrotman | nvz: any of me in an unbrella hat ? |
| 14:38.34 | slibs | abrotman: but fluxbox is basically the same but it has more features :D |
| 14:38.35 | sanxiyn | darkness: If you are Jabber geek, try jabber-yaho. |
| 14:38.37 | nvz | abrotman: nope. |
| 14:38.47 | sanxiyn | (Yahoo! Messenger transport for Jabber network) |
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| 14:38.51 | doleyb | sanxiyn: if he was jabber-geek, he'd never ask here |
| 14:38.53 | abrotman | slibs: i'm just screwing with you .. i used blackbox before fluxbox existed |
| 14:38.57 | sanxiyn | doleyb: Heh. :-) |
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| 14:39.13 | warrio | asg i'm paste do dpkg.. and i got this [15:38:12] <dpkg> segmentation fault is, like, when the program takes a shit on you |
| 14:39.15 | warrio | :)) |
| 14:39.15 | sanxiyn | Or run bitlbee. |
| 14:39.15 | slibs | abrotman: yes? but is blackbox developing anymore? |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | slibs: yes |
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| 14:39.32 | slibs | fken: then install it? |
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| 14:39.37 | lunitik | slibs: blackbox is pretty much feature complete... |
| 14:39.45 | abrotman | slibs: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 14:39.51 | sanxiyn | (bitlbee is gateway between IRC and other chat networks) |
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| 14:40.02 | asg | warrio: http://channels.debian.net/paste (paste there) |
| 14:40.05 | fken | slibs: libboost-python1.33.0 isnt in my etch library |
| 14:40.11 | slibs | yeah but i'd like to know what's different in blackbox and fluxbox |
| 14:40.19 | lunitik | slibs: I don't believe tabs should be handled by the window manager, and other than that, flux doesn't really offer much... |
| 14:40.28 | phogg | Yahoo does have an official Linux client, don't they? Much like the crappy official AIM for Linux? |
| 14:40.30 | angelgabriel | abrotman, I think i'll try blackbox |
| 14:40.36 | slibs | fken: have you installed desktop-envirioment or what was it called...? |
| 14:40.43 | fken | slibs: and if i try to install it then all my kde packages will be unstable ones ... and you can imagine what would happened |
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| 14:41.01 | angelgabriel | valdyn, These clients are just going to be internet terminals - I had them running a thin client solution, but i believe that it is an unneccesary load on the serer |
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| 14:41.12 | abrotman | slibs: blackbox stalled for a while .. fluxbox "stole" the code base .. and started again .. then blackbox started again |
| 14:41.14 | angelgabriel | slibs, Fluxbox? Is that still around!? |
| 14:41.15 | slibs | okay then google the package and install it manually? |
| 14:41.17 | sanxiyn | fken: libboost-python1.32.0 is in Etch. |
| 14:41.23 | fken | slibs : is it possible that the package only miss in the amd64 release ? if yes then ill ask that to the amd64 chan |
| 14:41.30 | sanxiyn | (*not* 1.33.0) |
| 14:41.34 | warrio | asg This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/1132. |
| 14:42.00 | slibs | fken: perhaps, try what sanxiyn said |
| 14:42.26 | asg | warrio: no, you need to paste the output of this command 'strace tar -zxvf eggdrop1.6.15.tar.gz' |
| 14:42.35 | slibs | angelgabriel: yes, and it's feeling better than ever |
| 14:42.41 | fken | but sanxiyn said the package is in etch |
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| 14:42.51 | sanxiyn | fken: Yes, 1.32, not 1.33. |
| 14:42.56 | fken | oh ok |
| 14:43.01 | abrotman | slibs: flux and black have different goals ... |
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| 14:43.21 | sanxiyn | (Do you need 1.33-specific feature? -- which is possible, Boost changes often.) |
| 14:43.22 | linex | hello |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | or did at one time anyways |
| 14:43.27 | warrio | asg just a second :) |
| 14:43.39 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Is there any other goal than world domination? |
| 14:43.42 | fken | sanxiyn: i have no idea i think ill check |
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| 14:43.55 | sanxiyn | fken: What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:44.08 | abrotman | sanxiyn: blackbox used to be about 60000 lines of code .. that's a damn quick/small/light WM |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | sanxiyn: dunno how many it is now |
| 14:44.26 | warrio | asg done. This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/1133 |
| 14:44.29 | fken | sanxiyn: the 1.32 is already installed on my computer |
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| 14:44.35 | sanxiyn | fken: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:44.47 | fken | sanxiyn: i try to install amarok and k3b |
| 14:45.05 | Arsion | anyone know if there is a way to force my wlan0 connection to stay at 11M? it keeps changing on me. I've already tried iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M |
| 14:45.06 | fken | sanxiyn: but it requires 1.33 |
| 14:45.12 | sanxiyn | fken: In Etch? |
| 14:45.15 | fken | yes |
| 14:45.19 | sanxiyn | Fuck. |
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| 14:45.28 | dli | fken, k3b is deleted in etch? |
| 14:45.34 | asg | warrio: are you doing this as root? if not, try it as root and see if you get the same result. |
| 14:45.37 | fken | not really deleted |
| 14:45.38 | steve | hi |
| 14:45.40 | sanxiyn | Testing is supposed to be dependency-consistent. |
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| 14:45.51 | steve | how can i get e2fsprogs-lib for debian? |
| 14:45.52 | TheCount | bruahahahaha |
| 14:45.54 | TheCount | sorry. |
| 14:45.59 | steve | having woody |
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| 14:46.10 | fken | you need to install the 1.33 if you wanna use k3b with kde3.4 |
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| 14:46.44 | fken | in fact it looks like if there was a big dependances mistake |
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| 14:46.48 | sanxiyn | Hm, I thought you were interested in Boost.Python development. Well. :( |
| 14:47.00 | fken | but i am running an amd64 release |
| 14:47.09 | sanxiyn | fken: Shouldn't matter. |
| 14:47.19 | fken | ok |
| 14:47.21 | warrio | asg i'm dooing this at root, and i try it as user and always same error... |
| 14:47.31 | phogg | steve: install e2fsprogs. I believe that has everything |
| 14:47.39 | sanxiyn | Oh, except amd64 archive is inconsistent with others wrt. removal? |
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| 14:47.51 | dli | fken, I can install k3b in etch here 0.11.20-1 |
| 14:48.05 | OleMoudi | fken, how can I fix my testing package tree so I'm not missing any packages like I am currently like k3b, amarok... |
| 14:48.11 | fken | whats your kde release ? |
| 14:48.13 | steve | phogg thought so as well |
| 14:48.25 | asg | warrio: well, the trace indicates that clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, <unfinished ...> is the last thing before the SEGV. Very odd. |
| 14:48.28 | phogg | steve: well what specifically are you missing? |
| 14:48.37 | steve | configure: error: 'You need the uuid library (from e2fsprogs)' |
| 14:48.46 | steve | get that error msg when compiling a different program |
| 14:49.04 | dli | fken: the etch installation from last week's |
| 14:49.13 | phogg | steve: well there's a uuid package |
| 14:49.32 | phogg | steve: uuid-dev has libuuid.a and libuuid.so |
| 14:50.02 | fken | OleMoudi: i dont understand what you mean : you can make a distrib-update to fix a testing package tree but as I am not sure of what you said... wait for other people answers |
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| 14:50.14 | steve | phogg mh your right |
| 14:50.15 | steve | thx |
| 14:50.15 | warrio | asg and how can i fix that ? :) |
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| 14:50.43 | asg | warrio: well, first. does 'gunzip <file.tar.gz>' work? |
| 14:50.58 | asg | warrio: and if it does, does 'tar xf <file.tar>' work? |
| 14:51.26 | asg | warrio: also, paste the output of 'md5sum /bin/tar' |
| 14:51.27 | OleMoudi | fken, sorry, I read part of your previous conversation and I thought you were answering, not asking. By the way, my problem is my package tree is missing packages like k3b and amarok since an dist-upgrade I made, and I don't know what to do |
| 14:51.59 | warrio | asg gunzip works, tar xf doesn't works.. |
| 14:52.11 | fken | OleMoudi: i got the same issue |
| 14:52.11 | warrio | # tar xf eggdrop1.6.15.tar |
| 14:52.11 | warrio | Segmentation fault |
| 14:52.22 | asg | warrio: and the output of 'md5sum /bin/tar' |
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| 14:53.05 | dli | OleMoudi, try to remove all kde and try again |
| 14:53.08 | warrio | asg i got this: 96a1dd64ee6424a6cfa7839015d98d67 /bin/tar |
| 14:53.09 | fken | btw do someone know how unrar free works? |
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| 14:53.11 | sanxiyn | 96a1dd64ee6424a6cfa7839015d98d67 /bin/tar (1.14-2/i386) |
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| 14:53.23 | fken | because it never unrar anything on my computer |
| 14:53.29 | asg | warrio: well, the file hasn't been altered. |
| 14:53.35 | asg | warrio: what filesystems do you use? |
| 14:53.37 | sanxiyn | fken: unrar-free doesn't work. |
| 14:53.43 | dli | fken: I always use nonfree |
| 14:53.44 | sanxiyn | Mostly. Ignore it. |
| 14:54.04 | warrio | asg hmm i don't know.. i'm begginer on linux.. how can i see this ? :) |
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| 14:54.30 | asg | warrio: look in /etc/fstab (3rd column) |
| 14:54.31 | fken | dli: how? cause i have no unrar in my source |
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| 14:54.54 | dli | fken: add non-free to your deb source |
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| 14:55.11 | warrio | asg is this ok: /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 14:55.19 | sanxiyn | war92: No. |
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| 14:55.32 | asg | warrio: not swap, the one with the '/' partition |
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| 14:55.34 | plbgnr | I installed module for wireless lan card and now I have internet connection through it. how should I set start of script(which sets options for module and network settings for ra0 interface) by starting os? |
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| 14:55.57 | asg | plbgnr: man 5 interfaces, man 7 wireless |
| 14:56.06 | warrio | asg /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 14:56.10 | fken | dli: dont worry i have non free in my source |
| 14:56.17 | warrio | is this ok? :) |
| 14:56.22 | asg | warrio: yes, that's fine. |
| 14:56.25 | plbgnr | asg:thanks |
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| 14:56.47 | asg | warrio: one final thing. Are you using x86 or some other architecture? |
| 14:56.53 | seven_six_two | does anyone know why konq-plugins was removed from etch repositories, and when it might be back in? I looked through my dwn mails, and i don't see anything |
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| 14:57.41 | warrio | asg i use x86 |
| 14:57.45 | slibs | abrotman: i talked with fluxbox guys what's the real difference and they said finally that it's the hot chicks |
| 14:57.57 | asg | warrio: okay, what does 'lsmod | grep rtc' output |
| 14:58.01 | seven_six_two | I hope it isn't orphaned. It was one of the reasons I use Konq all the time |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | slibs: flux/black/open .. are all very close |
| 14:58.17 | slibs | open? |
| 14:58.22 | warrio | asg: |
| 14:58.22 | warrio | # lsmod | grep rtc |
| 14:58.22 | warrio | rtc 5768 0 (autoclean) |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | slibs: openbox |
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| 14:58.34 | slibs | that's new for me |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | !info openbox sarge |
| 14:58.41 | asg | warrio: just a shot in the dark. Try 'rmmod rtc' then tar -xvzf <foo> |
| 14:58.43 | dpkg | openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
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| 14:59.09 | asg | warrio: also, paste tail -n50 /var/log/syslog to the paster bot |
| 14:59.11 | abrotman | slibs: they're all roughly the same .. check the all out .. i used to do my own themes for blackbox .. of course .. that was back int eh 0.5x days :) |
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| 14:59.28 | abrotman | in then 0.5x |
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| 14:59.51 | abrotman | bah .. stupid keyboard ... |
| 14:59.52 | slibs | abrotman: the funny thing is that you can use blackbox themes in fluxbox, and i think it works the otherway too, so it doesn't really even matter |
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| 15:00.09 | abrotman | slibs: i know .. but when i was using blackbox .. fluxbox and openbox didnt' even exist |
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| 15:00.29 | warrio | asg http://channels.debian.net/paste/1134 |
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| 15:01.09 | asg | warrio: hmmm, do the same with /var/log/kern.log |
| 15:01.54 | warrio | asg tail -n50 /var/log/kern.log not work |
| 15:02.08 | asg | warrio: you don't have /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 15:02.28 | warrio | asg wait .) |
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| 15:02.58 | gnomefreak | hey everyone is it just a matter of changing sarge to etch in the sources list to upgrade to etch like it is in ubuntu or more involved? |
| 15:03.09 | fken | OleMoudi: install libboost-python1.33.0 from your unstable source |
| 15:03.09 | asg | gnomefreak: /msg dpkg stable -> testing |
| 15:03.45 | OleMoudi | thx fken |
| 15:03.52 | warrio | asg now i do locate kern.log and i got kern.log.0 in kern.log.0 is something in.. i paste this ? |
| 15:04.05 | asg | warrio: yes |
| 15:04.20 | fken | OleMoudi:then come back to your original release and install what you want |
| 15:04.56 | gnomefreak | asg: what was that command supposed to do? |
| 15:05.09 | fken | OleMoudi:no it still doesnt work |
| 15:05.15 | asg | gnomefreak: you /msg our bot, it tells you information |
| 15:05.15 | OleMoudi | :( |
| 15:05.35 | gnomefreak | it didnt msg the bot atleast i didnt get a reply |
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| 15:06.24 | mikla1808 | sdf |
| 15:06.32 | asg | gnomefreak: oh, some idiot deleted the factoids. |
| 15:06.57 | gnomefreak | i tried again just to make sure i had it right |
| 15:06.59 | asg | gnomefreak: it is a matter of changing stable to etch in /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:07.10 | fken | OleMoudi: but you can install k3b from unstable directly |
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| 15:07.18 | gnomefreak | ok so its the same as in ubuntu ty |
| 15:07.20 | takatumi | asg: ionman! |
| 15:07.35 | OleMoudi | fken, you mean donwloading the .deb without changint sources.list ? |
| 15:07.38 | fken | whats annoying is that there are 5 or 6 unstable libraries which are installed together |
| 15:07.42 | asg | gnomefreak: or rather ubuntu is the same as Debian |
| 15:07.44 | asg | takatumi: hiya |
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| 15:08.00 | gnomefreak | yes that way too :) |
| 15:08.00 | takatumi | gnomefreak: what do you mean it's the same as in ubuntu? debian is the granddaddy! |
| 15:08.01 | fken | OleMoudi: i mean changing your .list |
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| 15:08.14 | OleMoudi | but then I'm no longer in testing |
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| 15:08.44 | gnomefreak | just change the word stable to testing? or to etch? |
| 15:09.11 | takatumi | gnomefreak: if you leave it at testing, you'll be always on testing. |
| 15:09.17 | dli | gnomefreak, I thought it was just dist-upgrade :) |
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| 15:09.33 | fken | OleMoudi: it depends on your priority : moreover the day the files will arrive in testing it will still work for us |
| 15:09.36 | Ronin | well that was heavy, 23 litres of beer in a glass carboy hurt this old man |
| 15:09.55 | gnomefreak | dli, to dist-upgrade without changing the sources list will give you updated packages |
| 15:10.01 | warrio | asg what is comand for copy and paste ? |
| 15:10.01 | fken | OleMoudi: i mean everything will be updated the day testing will be updated |
| 15:10.16 | fken | OleMoudi: i already did that with my kernel |
| 15:10.18 | dli | gnomefreak, no, changing stable to testing, and dist-upgrade |
| 15:10.24 | gnomefreak | yes that |
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| 15:10.40 | gnomefreak | i wasnt sure if i should use etch or testing in place of stable |
| 15:10.42 | warrio | asg because this kern.log is very big.. and will take too long if i paste it from putty to this log .) |
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| 15:10.58 | OleMoudi | fken, so the solution is simply to go unstable, install k3b, change sources.list to testing again and wait for testing to be upgraded |
| 15:11.00 | dli | gnomefreak, I use testing |
| 15:11.06 | gnomefreak | ok ty |
| 15:11.21 | dli | gnomefreak, somebody mentioned it's more than "dist-upgrade", I still don't understand |
| 15:11.21 | fken | OleMoudi:yes |
| 15:12.05 | asg | warrio: run tail -n50 /var/log/kern.log.0 and paste that |
| 15:12.13 | gnomefreak | i have a multimedia repo that says sarge just change that to etch? |
| 15:12.54 | asg | gnomefreak: oh, that's different if it isn't a default debian one. You'll have to look at the repo's homepage to see if they have etch packages. |
| 15:13.07 | warrio | asg http://channels.debian.net/paste/1135 |
| 15:13.15 | gnomefreak | asg ok ty |
| 15:13.45 | omry_ | hi. I want to install debian on a machine with some crappy adsl modem. I got the drivers, and I managed to get connectivity in knoppix with them. I installed the net-inst iso, and when I tried to install the adsl driver I realized it depends on ppp. how do you suggest I proceed? I somehow need to get ppp up before attempting to install the driver (I can access the net from windows,to download any packages I will need for it). |
| 15:13.52 | asg | warrio: well, I can't see anything wrong in any of those logs to indicate a hardware or memory issue. |
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| 15:14.04 | fken | OleMoudi: lol first thing i got from amarok is an error message... I recognize its the true amarok i knew before ! |
| 15:14.15 | asg | warrio: the only thing I can suggest is to get chkrootkit and rkhunter and verify that you haven't been cracked. Otherwise, use reportbug to file a bug. |
| 15:14.29 | OleMoudi | fken, xD |
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| 15:15.00 | warrio | ok asg thank you |
| 15:15.06 | asg | warrio: you're welcome |
| 15:15.23 | dli | warrio, yes, do chkrootkit and rkhunter |
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| 15:15.53 | omry_ | is theer a magical command that will allow me (from a worknig system) to download ppp deb and all it dependencies into a specific dir? |
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| 15:16.24 | asg | omry_: apt-get -d install ppp ; look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 15:16.46 | fken | i must leave see ya |
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| 15:17.26 | dli | why gdm depends on dbus-1? |
| 15:17.41 | gnomefreak | this is gonna be a while |
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| 15:18.04 | dli | gnomefreak, dist-upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 15:18.09 | omry_ | asg, what about the deps? they will all be there in a mess. my problem is that I can't access that machine from the installing system (no internet yet), so I must get them from within windows.. I hope to find a way to make minimize boots. |
| 15:18.11 | gnomefreak | yep |
| 15:18.32 | dli | gnomefreak, any problem, let me know |
| 15:18.35 | gnomefreak | its 147 new and 778 upgraded |
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| 15:18.45 | gnomefreak | dli, ty sir |
| 15:18.48 | dli | gnomefreak, I think it should work by dist-upgrade |
| 15:19.08 | asg | omry_: if you do 'apt-get clean' first, the only things in the archives/ dir will be ppp and its deps. |
| 15:19.33 | Wanderer | anyone know a proggram than can batch convert from avi to mpeg? |
| 15:19.42 | Wanderer | Need to convet some old home movies, bleach |
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| 15:19.52 | omry_ | asg good idea. let me try that :) |
| 15:19.54 | asg | Wanderer: mencoder plus a shell for loop. |
| 15:19.55 | Wanderer | really don't want to sit through them again but wife won't let me delete em |
| 15:20.07 | gnomefreak | dli, why is it removing Kde items? |
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| 15:20.12 | Wanderer | asg: thank you, owe ya a beer if it works without manual watching :> |
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| 15:20.40 | gnomefreak | dli, never mind i see where they are being upgraded |
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| 15:21.34 | dli | gnomefreak, I don't check, unless there's trouble |
| 15:22.10 | fken | honnestly amarok is the only program of linux which force me to reboot my computer |
| 15:22.18 | gnomefreak | dli, ok thank you ive never used etch and im kinda worried |
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| 15:22.49 | omry_ | asg, I did " |
| 15:22.52 | dli | gnomefreak, etch is quite smooth to me, only problem was installing k3b last week |
| 15:23.08 | Wanderer | asg: is there a deb package for it? cache search has no hits, freshmeat lists related packages but no direct hits |
| 15:23.28 | gnomefreak | dli, i already have it so it should just upgrade the one i have i think |
| 15:23.43 | asg | Wanderer: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 15:23.55 | omry_ | asg, I did "apt-get -d --reinstall install ppp", it only downloaded ppp deb as the other are already installed. |
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| 15:24.06 | dli | gnomefreak, yes, last week, k3b was deleted in etch :( |
| 15:24.14 | Tortel | nooOOoo! |
| 15:24.15 | Tortel | ha |
| 15:24.20 | Tortel | i have k3b |
| 15:24.24 | Tortel | but im in sarge |
| 15:24.37 | blondie | o.O |
| 15:24.43 | gnomefreak | oh noooooooo :( i love k3b |
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| 15:24.58 | Tortel | gnomebaker = good for gonome |
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| 15:25.09 | Tortel | $gnomebaker = "good in gonome" |
| 15:25.11 | Goshawk | hi to all |
| 15:25.15 | Tortel | print $gnomebaker |
| 15:25.22 | gnomefreak | i like gnomebaker but its no k3b :) |
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| 15:25.36 | dli | gnomefreak, since I really need k3b at that time, it took me a while to get k3b from sarge |
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| 15:26.20 | Goshawk | my debian sarge server is going to be attacked by a lot of people in these days, is there a way to configure sshd to deny all the traffic from an host that failed to autenticate in 3 steps? |
| 15:26.39 | dli | gnomefreak, it's a burner for dummies? gnomebaker? |
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| 15:27.00 | asg | Goshawk: there are a number of ways to do that. Check freshmeat.net or just set strong passwords or use PKI and disable passwords. |
| 15:27.10 | abrotman | or disable ssh :) |
| 15:27.15 | TheCount | asg: name some, please? |
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| 15:27.25 | dli | Goshawk, how about disable passwd login at least |
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| 15:27.40 | asg | TheCount: can't remember any names offhand, just search on freshmeat. |
| 15:28.21 | asg | TheCount: port knocking is another option. |
| 15:28.23 | Goshawk | ok i'll check on freashmeat but i'm looking for a way to block an host for one hour after that it failed to login (i've set a strong passwd yet) |
| 15:28.58 | asg | Goshawk: you can always just use 'sec' to watch /var/log/auth.log and script that. |
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| 15:29.03 | TheCount | asg: well, what would you suggest as a search phrase for freshmeat? ;) |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | ssh block ? |
| 15:29.12 | asg | TheCount: ssh block |
| 15:29.12 | dli | Goshawk, and use "AllowUsers" in sshd_config |
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| 15:29.34 | Goshawk | dli, already used, only root is in "AllowUsers" |
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| 15:29.50 | Goshawk | asg, sec? i've ever used less |
| 15:30.06 | Goshawk | sec not found... installing |
| 15:30.13 | asg | Goshawk: sec is a 'simple event correlation' tool |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=ssh+block§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 15:31.16 | Goshawk | abrotman, thanks |
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| 15:32.05 | gnomefreak | dli, i find k3b being easier to use but thats just me ;) |
| 15:32.30 | abrotman | eroaster! |
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| 15:33.11 | dli | gnomefreak, yes, k3b is the only thing I use from kde |
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| 15:34.03 | hellkat | I use a sony Vaio (onboard) Video card, I am getting rather crappy speeds with glxgears, can someone point me to the correct drivers to isntall? I'm having issues with FGLRX, (Yes, its an ATI RADEON) |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 15:34.12 | dpkg | from memory, ati debs is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:34.14 | gnomefreak | dli, i use that and kdevelop sometimes but mostly stick with anjuta for programming |
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| 15:34.24 | abrotman | gnomefreak: gazpaucho ? |
| 15:34.40 | dli | Goshawk, kidding there? root should be disabled from ssh login, if you are worried about security |
| 15:34.40 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 15:34.40 | dpkg | [gazpacho] A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade> |
| 15:34.41 | gnomefreak | abrotman, never heard of it |
| 15:35.06 | gnomefreak | ty brb gonna look |
| 15:35.34 | abrotman | gnomefreak: it's just an interface designer afaik |
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| 15:35.57 | gnomefreak | abrotman, can i get it in english? |
| 15:36.02 | gnomefreak | lol |
| 15:36.03 | abrotman | gnomefreak: huh ? |
| 15:36.06 | azeem | every language has its own interface builder |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | it is in english |
| 15:36.11 | azeem | gazpacho is the python one I think |
| 15:36.32 | gnomefreak | abrotman, not the site the bot gave me its in es |
| 15:36.37 | azeem | pretty sad story having so many around, if you ask me (and they are only for GTK) |
| 15:36.40 | Goshawk | dli, yep, but it's activated right now, maybe i'll use a "service account" just to log in and then became root |
| 15:36.48 | hellkat | abrotman where do I find the download? its not on apt, and I remember they had a .deb on that site, but where did it go? |
| 15:36.49 | abrotman | gnomefreak: erm .. it's in english for me |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | hellkat: deb for what ? |
| 15:37.05 | gnomefreak | http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ |
| 15:37.08 | abrotman | gnomefreak: change the language on the right |
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| 15:37.31 | dli | Goshawk, yes! and disable passwd login for that account, use publickey instead |
| 15:37.51 | gnomefreak | ahhhhhhhhh ty |
| 15:37.54 | hellkat | abrotman, nevermind- i was refering to the fglrx drivers, but I just found them0 |
| 15:38.14 | Goshawk | dli, publickey? |
| 15:38.27 | Goshawk | dli, like gpg? |
| 15:38.37 | asg | Goshawk: man ssh-keygen |
| 15:38.39 | dli | Goshawk, no, like rsa dsa |
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| 15:38.56 | gnomefreak | abrotman, is it avalible in the sources? or download deb and dpkg it? |
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| 15:39.11 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.16 | nvz | oops wrong keyboard :P |
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| 15:39.40 | ralf | hi |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | gnomefreak: i have it in etch .. dunno about sarge |
| 15:39.46 | ralf | why there isn't /etc/init.d/hald? |
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| 15:39.48 | nvz | it said press enter to boot, it didnt specify which keyboard .. heh |
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| 15:40.23 | Goshawk | dli, what are the differencies between auth with password and publickey? |
| 15:40.36 | gnomefreak | abrotman, i will have etch in 6hours nad 41 mins :( |
| 15:40.51 | gnomefreak | nad=and for today |
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| 15:41.14 | sbk | OT: do you folks ever miss using an overhead projector? I guess I could use some sort of sketch program on debian to mimic it (we only seem to have digital projectors at the office.) Suggestions for alternatives? |
| 15:41.30 | abrotman | gnomefreak: that's just the download :) |
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| 15:41.45 | abrotman | sbk: gobby ? |
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| 15:41.50 | nvz | does anyone have all the contents of the meta packages gnome and kde installed with maybe decent ammount of other apps and just / and /home and could give me a rough idea of disk usage? I am thinking its only like 2GB |
| 15:41.56 | gnomefreak | abrotman, dist-upgrade |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | nvz: i have gnome installed |
| 15:42.10 | sbk | abrotman: did'nt know about that, will look - thanks |
| 15:42.29 | abrotman | gnomefreak: i know .. but that time estimate doesn't include unpacking/installing |
| 15:42.37 | azeem | nvz: yeah, around 2 GB I think |
| 15:42.39 | nvz | abrotman: I want to make a separate /home to avoid accidental filling of / but I dont want to make / too small to allow installation of new software |
| 15:42.42 | abrotman | sbk: i'm not sure if that's what you mean .. it's a collaborative editor |
| 15:42.51 | azeem | I installed etch in a 2GB chroot partition some time ago to showcase at an expo |
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| 15:42.56 | gnomefreak | ahhhhhhhh good point |
| 15:42.56 | azeem | it barely fit there, though |
| 15:42.59 | nvz | abrotman: I also dont want to waste too much space that could be used for the user |
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| 15:43.13 | abrotman | nvz: i have gnome meta package installed .. using roughly 2.5 GB .. no telling what other garbage i have though |
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| 15:43.25 | abrotman | nvz: on an 80GB drive .. go with 10GB |
| 15:43.26 | sbk | abrotman: yes -- well, what I really miss about an overhead projector is being able to sketch diagrams and circle things and "write during presentation" |
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| 15:43.30 | abrotman | nvz: she won't miss it :) |
| 15:43.45 | abrotman | sbk: like .. MS Paint ? |
| 15:43.48 | nvz | I got 80GB maybe do like 1GB Swap 10GB /, and 69MB /home |
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| 15:43.57 | abrotman | sbk: if you got a wacom tablet .. you could do that |
| 15:43.59 | nvz | abrotman: give her 69 @ home :P |
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| 15:44.04 | abrotman | nvz: sounds good :) |
| 15:44.07 | nvz | s/MB/GB/ |
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| 15:44.21 | sbk | abrotman: right -- but don't have a tablet -- that would be nice. |
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| 15:44.23 | Silent_al | is it possible to put icons on xfce4's desktop? |
| 15:44.39 | abrotman | sbk: well ... i mean .. how would you like to emulate the writing etc? ..w ith the mouse ? |
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| 15:44.59 | nvz | well actually I could only give her 68, she'd have to be willing to go for the 69 |
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| 15:45.31 | sbk | abrotman: I don't really know -- I could, I suppose just type stuff for text. I don't know how I could have an equivalent for a sketching thing -- looking for ideas, really |
| 15:45.38 | Silent_al | whats the besy file manager besides konq , nautilus & xffm ? |
| 15:45.42 | Silent_al | best* |
| 15:45.48 | asg | !best |
| 15:45.49 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:45.55 | nvz | Silent_al: bash works fine for me |
| 15:46.04 | abrotman | Silent_al: xfe and gentoo are two others |
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| 15:46.22 | Silent_al | abrotman thanx i'll try |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | sbk: i mean .. you can draw in lots of apps .. |
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| 15:46.39 | nvz | its getting too cold for tennis |
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| 15:46.50 | nvz | gonna have to find some people to play though next spring |
| 15:46.50 | asg | nvz: never played ice tennis? |
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| 15:46.56 | nvz | asg: nope |
| 15:47.08 | sbk | abrotman: *nod* yeah. But the mouse is not so easy to use to draw. Guess I'll have to think of something else |
| 15:47.10 | saloxin | which chain do i use to filer nat'ed traffic? |
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| 15:47.20 | asg | saloxin: try #iptables |
| 15:47.28 | Silent_al | !distro |
| 15:47.28 | dpkg | [distro] significa distribuion (english) |
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| 15:47.36 | Silent_al | !smart |
| 15:47.36 | dpkg | smart is probably the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | sbk: which is why i suggested a wacom .. they're fairly cheap |
| 15:47.42 | saloxin | asg, i asked there first, still waiting for response |
| 15:48.16 | asg | Silent_al: /msg the bot |
| 15:48.17 | Silent_al | ok |
| 15:48.17 | saloxin | thought i'd ask here in case anyone knew by heart |
| 15:48.17 | sbk | abrotman: ah, I see. ok -- will see if I can convince the bean counters to get one of them |
| 15:48.39 | abrotman | sbk: you work for a Uni ? |
| 15:48.57 | sbk | abrotman: nope, a reg'lar company in california |
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| 15:49.15 | teclo | hello |
| 15:49.27 | abrotman | sbk: hrm .. the cheapest wacom-type-thing i see is about 100$ |
| 15:49.31 | teclo | how do you call it when some kernel driver/module is into the kernel, not in a module ? |
| 15:49.36 | teclo | built-in module ? |
| 15:49.40 | teclo | compiled module ? |
| 15:49.43 | teclo | built-in driver ? |
| 15:49.44 | sbk | abrotman: for that price, I almost wonder if I could just buy an overhead projector |
| 15:49.44 | asg | teclo: compiled in |
| 15:49.53 | teclo | me foreign |
| 15:49.56 | teclo | asg: thank you |
| 15:49.57 | abrotman | sbk: but the wacom has more uses :) |
| 15:50.11 | sbk | abrotman: :) ok. Thanks for that pointer, will look at that idea |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | sbk: be nice if you could test one before buying |
| 15:50.38 | teclo | asg: compiled in module or compiled in driver ? |
| 15:51.22 | asg | teclo: both are applicable |
| 15:51.43 | Silent_al | is it possible to put icons on xfce4's desktop? |
| 15:51.54 | Silent_al | with symlink or something? |
| 15:52.02 | abrotman | #xfce ? |
| 15:52.07 | saloxin | Silent_al: install nautilus :-/ |
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| 15:52.35 | Jewdai | what is debian? |
| 15:52.45 | blondie | erm |
| 15:52.47 | azeem | Jewdai: see www.debian.org |
| 15:53.00 | Jewdai | is it an OS? |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | !debian |
| 15:53.07 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 15:53.11 | Jewdai | ah... |
| 15:53.45 | Silent_al | saloxin xfe will do just fine |
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| 15:54.19 | Silent_al | all i wana do is put a link to some folders on my desktop |
| 15:54.42 | nvz | folders? desktop? :P |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 15:55.02 | plbgnr | where should I put mount... command to mount devices which I use everytime by starting system? |
| 15:55.13 | nvz | abrotman: badgerfire? |
| 15:55.18 | Silent_al | plbgnr fstab |
| 15:55.23 | Silent_al | !fstab |
| 15:55.23 | dpkg | hmm... fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 15:55.46 | blondie | f-stab :D |
| 15:55.50 | blondie | for stapping with Fs |
| 15:55.53 | takatumi | nvz: http://gpoppy.org/2005-04-01-011442_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 15:56.41 | takatumi | nvz: nothing personal. ;) |
| 15:57.07 | nvz | I wonder what I should do about this cdrom.. I didnt notice it was broken in my preliminary inspection.. and I told the lady I would only charge $50 since the PC was in good condition and only needed software repairs (reinstalling over windows with debian is what we agreed on). I could either let her know its broken and give an option to have it fixed or replaced.. or just fix it anyhow since I didnt catch it before telling her the pc was fine. |
| 15:57.44 | takatumi | nvz: tell her you'll upgrade it. |
| 15:57.56 | nvz | heh |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | nvz: call her and tell her you think the CD drive is broken and a replacement is $30 or so .. would she like it done |
| 15:58.03 | nvz | how the hell do you upgrade a cd drive? |
| 15:58.11 | abrotman | nvz: DVD drive ? |
| 15:58.13 | nvz | it has a cdrw in there that works |
| 15:58.19 | nvz | yeah doesnt have a DVD |
| 15:58.25 | nvz | I guess they could use one :P |
| 15:58.29 | karrot-x | has anyone here seen pc-4200 333mhz ram before? |
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| 15:58.32 | karrot-x | it's for a powerbook |
| 15:58.40 | karrot-x | i'm trying to figure out if that's a typo, or if it's correct |
| 15:58.42 | Varanger | I have the following problem: http://201.240.148.252/firefox.png |
| 15:58.52 | Varanger | How can I see the Japanese characters??? |
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| 15:59.06 | nvz | I dont think the cd is broken, I know it is.. it makes a funny noise when the pc comes on and makes the same noise instead of opening when you press the eject button |
| 15:59.10 | Varanger | What package should I install??? |
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| 15:59.19 | nvz | its probably easily fixable.. I just dont feel like taking it apart :P |
| 15:59.24 | Tortel | Alll OF EM! |
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| 15:59.26 | Tortel | aLLL!L |
| 15:59.32 | Tortel | ... |
| 15:59.57 | plbgnr | Silent_al: I don't know if I lay right the question ... I use two partitions with ntfs filesystem and I don't want everytime after start of system run mount -t ntfs ...;mount... :) Is still fstab what I find? |
| 16:00.00 | caphuso | Varanger: install a japanese font? |
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| 16:00.10 | sah_lee | stew: Hi its me, the guy met with framebuffer trouble. |
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| 16:00.19 | sah_lee | stew: are you there? |
| 16:00.33 | Varanger | caphuso: which one?? |
| 16:00.41 | caphuso | Varanger: dunno |
| 16:00.53 | nvz | hmm need passwords.. I used to make them the same as the username and tell people to change em.. but I come to find out they never do.. so I might as well just choose good passwords for her, and if she never gets around to changing them at least they wont be so obvious |
| 16:00.55 | hebfftijd | does gnome provides a ftp gui |
| 16:01.47 | Tortel | no, get gftp tho |
| 16:01.52 | abrotman | nvz: how about ... "nvzisagod" ? |
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| 16:02.03 | konfusius | someone managed to get happy with any ipod software on linux? (gtkpod/syncpod/gnupod) |
| 16:02.03 | caphuso | nvz: apg |
| 16:02.11 | asg | abrotman: s/god/tool |
| 16:02.14 | nvz | abrotman: heh. I was just gonna use mkpasswd |
| 16:02.15 | Silent_al | plbgnr , fstab my friend, either google it , or look in /etc/fstab |
| 16:02.23 | nvz | caphuso: is that a passwd generator? |
| 16:02.28 | caphuso | nvz: yeah |
| 16:02.51 | plbgnr | Silent_al: ok thanks |
| 16:02.59 | nvz | caphuso: worth the d/l if I already have mkpasswd? |
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| 16:03.27 | caphuso | nvz: mkpasswd doesn't create passwords |
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| 16:03.41 | nvz | caphuso: no, but it generates them |
| 16:03.47 | abrotman | drrr ... i think my PS2 is dead |
| 16:03.53 | caphuso | nvz: no, it takes a password and generates a hash |
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| 16:03.58 | nvz | caphuso: I am in base-config on her pc anyhow. I cant install/run anything yet |
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| 16:04.15 | abrotman | or not |
| 16:04.37 | nvz | caphuso: oh. well I always make those hashes into passwords then.. heh I usually generate several and combine them |
| 16:04.38 | beardy | abrotman: see, now you're here again ;) |
| 16:04.50 | isn103 | olaw |
| 16:04.52 | abrotman | beardy: you were here first! |
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| 16:05.02 | nvz | caphuso: I've been using output from mkpasswd as passwords for a long time :P |
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| 16:05.12 | isn103 | algum brasileiroi |
| 16:05.16 | asg | !br |
| 16:05.16 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:05.26 | beardy | abrotman: I'm always here. (my client that is) |
| 16:05.29 | caphuso | nvz: ah, well, that works. but those passwords are typically hard to remember |
| 16:05.32 | nvz | caphuso: how come if I put nothing into the passwd: entry of mkpasswd I get a different password everytime if its a hash? |
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| 16:05.45 | nvz | caphuso: I can remember anything. |
| 16:06.04 | caphuso | nvz: you'd read to need to source code |
| 16:06.08 | abrotman | beardy: see what i mean |
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| 16:06.29 | nvz | I dont have a need to associate things with real life.. heh I just remember it like it is without making any connections to phrases or anything |
| 16:06.31 | caphuso | nvz: http://www.msdservices.com/apg/index.php |
| 16:06.40 | nvz | its actually harder to remember stuff that way IMHO |
| 16:07.01 | nvz | its easier just to remember the string as-is and not waste memory linking it to other thoughts |
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| 16:07.40 | nvz | caphuso: ah cool. |
| 16:07.41 | caphuso | apg creates passwords like goceencytId7 (goc-een-cyt-Id-SEVEN) |
| 16:07.53 | caphuso | somewhat pronouncable |
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| 16:08.13 | beardy | abrotman: heh, not really, I do not irc from my own machine, though I could now since I have a better connection than before, but anyway, works fine this way too. screen+irssi really is the best way (don't !best me ;) ) |
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| 16:08.26 | nvz | CuelbEat2.Tatghe was my last user password until I accidentally typed it into IRC one day |
| 16:08.35 | abrotman | !tell beardy about best irc client |
| 16:08.40 | nvz | not pronouncable, doesnt stand for anything.. just something mkpasswd spit out |
| 16:08.56 | beardy | heh |
| 16:09.01 | nvz | I havent used the passwd in over a month, and still remember it |
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| 16:10.04 | nvz | I have a good memory for strings of data.. if I could turn everything I needed to remember into a lesser significant string of letters I would be in good shape |
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| 16:10.33 | vivekian | jus wondering is there a way to write to kernel space from user space ? |
| 16:10.35 | nvz | when I try doing what most people do, associating the string of data to other thoughts that are supposed to be easier to remember.. I am more likely to forget |
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| 16:11.11 | beardy | nvz: Has someone mentioned the package apg yet? Haven't tried it, but seems nice. |
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| 16:11.42 | nvz | beardy: yeah caphuso did, but I am just gonna use the on-line one he gave me |
| 16:11.56 | nefertum | has anybody try eclipse deb packets? |
| 16:11.59 | nvz | beardy: I dont actually use password generators anyhow.. I just use them to seed my imaginiation. |
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| 16:13.33 | nvz | heh |
| 16:13.43 | nvz | caphuso: it would probably work on xoz's box |
| 16:13.49 | Silent_al | how do i make xfce to be my default file manager? |
| 16:13.56 | Silent_al | xfe* |
| 16:14.00 | nvz | I use upper and lower case, numbers, and symbols |
| 16:14.13 | caphuso | nvz: just gimme a few minutes, and his root password will be secure ;-) |
| 16:14.15 | beardy | Silent_al: In gnome? |
| 16:14.24 | Silent_al | beardy , xfce4 |
| 16:14.38 | beardy | !update-alternatives |
| 16:14.38 | dpkg | hmm... update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 16:14.58 | asg | caphuso: we could always get sussudio's password by filtering through chef(6) |
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| 16:15.19 | caphuso | asg: haha |
| 16:15.23 | Silent_al | beardy , thanx i'll check it out |
| 16:15.26 | nvz | I only use simple passwords for things I dont really care about like web logins to non-secured sites.. for those I use compound words usually two words 3 or 4 letters long combined. |
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| 16:15.57 | SimonRaven | like, fuckyoufornotusinghttps ;p |
| 16:16.17 | beardy | Silent_al: Also see if xfce has some default application configuration, in it's usual place for configuration. |
| 16:16.18 | nvz | I should have backed up her buddy list I could probably have used a nick name from aim and made a secure passwd .. heh |
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| 16:16.32 | Silent_al | beardy ok |
| 16:16.34 | Silent_al | will do |
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| 16:17.12 | nvz | I cant forget very easily.. |
| 16:17.18 | paulswm | xoz: I agree, I nver use password managers |
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| 16:17.32 | nvz | though I do recall a few years ago waking up and not being able to remember any of my passwords among other things |
| 16:17.38 | nvz | had temporary memory loss |
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| 16:18.19 | nvz | later that evening I remembered them and changed them back.. I had to hack into my own box that day. |
| 16:18.29 | nvz | luckily I didnt forget my lilo passwd |
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| 16:18.42 | TheCount | 'password gorilla' is nice |
| 16:18.49 | caphuso | from the apg man page: -l spell genetated passwords. Useful when you want to read gener- ated password by telephone. WARNING: Think twice before read your password by phone. |
| 16:18.50 | nvz | I set a restricted password on linux, so that if you pass params you cant boot without a passwd |
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| 16:19.00 | asg | caphuso: haha |
| 16:19.03 | nvz | I use mandatory passwords on shitty os's like windows though |
| 16:19.17 | paulswm | asg: Yes, I do, too, but I agree with xoz, password managers make me forget my passwords |
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| 16:20.28 | lpb-oberon | lol |
| 16:20.31 | SimonRaven | for big-assed passwords like 40+ i use a password manager |
| 16:20.38 | asg | paulswm: I'd rather not remember them anyway. I have a little script that can grep out and |xclip. |
| 16:21.00 | nvz | I usually keep my passwords between 13 and 26 chars on my system |
| 16:21.27 | nvz | length and stuff has to very or I become too predictable |
| 16:21.39 | paulswm | I can't type that many characters without making a mistake - it's a skill that I have |
| 16:21.53 | xoz | the problem is if you are on the road and you can't access those files where you kept your password. password should be in your neurons... otherwise, it will be inconvenient someday. |
| 16:21.54 | Wanderer | asg: downloaded mplayer and the associated libs no problem. No mencoder binary, not seeing it on the mplayerhp dir either. |
| 16:21.58 | Wanderer | missing something stupid I think |
| 16:21.58 | SimonRaven | making typos? :) |
| 16:22.10 | macsim | I'v installed a debian sid with udev, and now I want to create a raid0 with mdadm, (mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda6 /dev/hdb1), I've got this error : "mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory", I've try MAKEDEV md, but that doesn't change anything, how can I create this device ? |
| 16:22.49 | asg | Wanderer: it should be bundled with mplayer. Maybe they split it off. Try apt-get install mencoder |
| 16:22.52 | SimonRaven | suggestion: don't use udev for anything critical |
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| 16:23.13 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Yes, if making typos, particularly embarrassing ones, were an Olympic event, I'd be a contender for the gold :) |
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| 16:23.27 | SimonRaven | @prize paulswm |
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| 16:23.35 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 16:23.37 | SimonRaven | !prize paulswm |
| 16:23.42 | TheCount | xoz: you won't be able to do that much longer |
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| 16:23.45 | beardy | !win paulswm |
| 16:23.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:23.49 | SimonRaven | woohoo |
| 16:24.10 | paulswm | SimonRaven: real life example: "cumputer" |
| 16:24.21 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 16:24.25 | TheCount | btw, does someone know how to limit (new) tcp connections with FIAIF? |
| 16:24.30 | TheCount | xoz: good luck. |
| 16:24.34 | SimonRaven | double entendre |
| 16:25.26 | nvz | K3rioKe |
| 16:25.35 | nvz | wrong keyboard again :P |
| 16:25.40 | nvz | dont do drugs kids |
| 16:25.42 | nvz | :) |
| 16:25.47 | paulswm | SimonRaven: I kid you not, from a few days ago: "you could tell the home made stiff, it had a pinkish tinge" |
| 16:25.55 | asg | nvz: shouldn't that be k4r4oKe |
| 16:25.58 | nvz | thats not a good password to use now that 700+ people know it |
| 16:26.08 | nvz | asg: her name is Keri so I changed it :P |
| 16:26.21 | macsim | I've fount juste add --auto : mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda6 /dev/hdb1 --auto |
| 16:26.23 | nvz | asg: Karaoke is in the dictionary |
| 16:26.25 | xoz | too early to sing in karaoke |
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| 16:26.29 | nvz | asg: Kerioke isn |
| 16:26.39 | paulswm | Bah, only about 100 of the 700 ever watch, I'm sure :P |
| 16:26.40 | asg | nvz: I was joking |
| 16:26.42 | TheCount | xoz: well, keep on using MAKEDEV when everyone uses udev in 2.8 ;) |
| 16:26.46 | nvz | oh well |
| 16:26.52 | SimonRaven | paulswm: hehe. how's it going? |
| 16:27.04 | paulswm | SimonRaven: OK, thanks, how are you? |
| 16:27.10 | xoz | TheCount: wanna bet? |
| 16:27.12 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 16:27.18 | SimonRaven | hi to everyone else too |
| 16:27.28 | asg | morning SimonRaven |
| 16:27.36 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 16:27.50 | paulswm | I agree with TheCount, udev si teh win |
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| 16:27.57 | TheCount | xoz: on what? |
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| 16:28.03 | nvz | see things like this my brain isnt capable of.. because I think _way_ to much.. and if there isnt a definate answer I will never stop thinking about it. When I have a choice I can never decide.. as long as there are other characters to use in the passwd I will keep making new ones and never decide. |
| 16:28.13 | xoz | TheCount: not *everyone* will use it. |
| 16:28.31 | TheCount | xoz: ok, ok. splitting hairs. not everyone will use it, agreed. |
| 16:28.47 | TheCount | nvz: well, autism is thinking even more ;) |
| 16:28.50 | SimonRaven | [ ] Hotplug Support ;p |
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| 16:29.07 | nvz | TheCount: I've said before I may be autistic.. |
| 16:29.26 | nvz | its quite possible I show lots of signs of it |
| 16:29.28 | xoz | udev is quiet working on the premise... no, you have no choice but to use udev. udev is the only way to go... but... |
| 16:29.51 | TheCount | xoz: if you taken an efford, you can avoid it, yeah |
| 16:29.58 | nvz | I've not studied it at all, so I dont know for sure.. |
| 16:30.06 | TheCount | nvz: don't get yourself into believing it ;) |
| 16:30.10 | nvz | I like studying about mind and body, but I've never read up on autism |
| 16:30.30 | TheCount | nvz: you are what you believe. if you want to believe you're autistic, you'll bee ;) |
| 16:30.35 | nvz | just the little bit I do know from seeing other autistic people.. makes me think I am too. |
| 16:30.36 | TheCount | s/bee/be/ |
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| 16:30.40 | paulswm | I like udev |
| 16:31.03 | paulswm | So there's one out of 785 for starters :P |
| 16:31.07 | SimonRaven | i used to dislike it, now i just tolerate it |
| 16:31.11 | nvz | they cant make eye contact, focus on one thought, they never stop thinking.. hey wait.. thats me. |
| 16:31.12 | TheCount | nvz: you've appearently never seen someone who's really autistic. if you were, you wouldn't be sitting there, chatting with us. |
| 16:31.16 | gnomefreak | does etch have OO2? |
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| 16:31.26 | nvz | TheCount: yeah :) |
| 16:31.37 | pjota | hi folqs! |
| 16:31.37 | SimonRaven | CO2? |
| 16:31.42 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 16:31.44 | nvz | TheCount: you have no idea.. |
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| 16:31.55 | xoz | nvz: visit an autistic doctor... bigger chance that he'll agree and you start paying for consultation fee... mind you, there is no cure so you'll be hooked on that doctor forever. |
| 16:32.09 | TheCount | nvz: the problem is a little bit different - usually, everyone can 'filter' the input from the senses - they can't. it's simply informational overload. |
| 16:32.16 | nvz | TheCount: there is this feature in irssi, where you can press the down arrow and things dont get sent they just enter into my buffer.. you have no idea all the things I type to myself and you all never see |
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| 16:32.45 | TheCount | nvz: not being able to look at people is because of people giving so much information with everything in their face etc |
| 16:32.46 | cmdKeen | how can I turn num lcok on on X start ? |
| 16:32.50 | pjota | how can I connect to the internet? I conected my Laptop to a DHCP server, but eth1 don't work. |
| 16:32.55 | cmdKeen | s/lcok/lock/ |
| 16:32.56 | asg | cmdKeen: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 16:33.05 | TheCount | nvz: I don't even mind ;) |
| 16:33.05 | asg | cmdKeen: oh, /msg dpkg numlock |
| 16:33.17 | xoz | pjota: but you are connected here. |
| 16:33.21 | nvz | xoz: bah, I am my own doctor. real doctors are just for filling out perscriptions, sticking needles and getting paid |
| 16:33.26 | paulswm | gnomefreak: No, 1.1.4 |
| 16:33.37 | asg | cmdKeen: nevermind, the factoid was apprently erased |
| 16:33.41 | pjota | this is other PC connected to the SAME DHCP server |
| 16:33.41 | xoz | nvz: that's a good way to save money. |
| 16:33.47 | TheCount | nvz: I refuse to have heard that ;) |
| 16:33.56 | nvz | TheCount: yeah I think thats why I look away, because it makes it easier to pay attention to what they are saying |
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| 16:33.58 | cmdKeen | asg, so ? |
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| 16:34.11 | asg | cmdKeen: install numlockx |
| 16:34.22 | nvz | TheCount: I know I should be making eye contact, but its hard for me when I am really listening to do it |
| 16:34.36 | xoz | nvz: when you look at a woman, which part do you focus first? |
| 16:34.42 | paulswm | o.O |
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| 16:34.50 | TheCount | nvz: then maybe you're extra sensitive to the other information channels besides voice, and just haven't learned to cope with them. most people in western cultures don't. |
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| 16:35.00 | edude05 | hey everyone |
| 16:35.03 | nvz | xoz: her eyes |
| 16:35.04 | sd | does someone know what port 40050 is ? |
| 16:35.09 | xoz | !boobs |
| 16:35.09 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 16:35.23 | nvz | xoz: unless shes not looking at me. |
| 16:35.24 | asg | sd: fuser, lsof will tell you |
| 16:35.25 | edude05 | right |
| 16:35.27 | azeem | dpkg, forget boobs |
| 16:35.27 | dpkg | azeem: i forgot boobs |
| 16:35.31 | nvz | xoz: then I look at her ass |
| 16:35.38 | TheCount | nvz: the eyes are the window to the soul, they say |
| 16:35.44 | edude05 | does anyone know were apt keeps its downloaded packages? |
| 16:35.47 | nvz | TheCount: yep |
| 16:35.49 | xoz | !ass |
| 16:35.49 | dpkg | hmm... ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring. |
| 16:35.50 | sd | asg it s not on my system |
| 16:35.52 | TheCount | nvz: even if she's staying in front of you, facing you? ;) |
| 16:35.53 | asg | edude05: /var/apt/cache/archives |
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| 16:35.54 | azeem | edude05: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:35.59 | asg | sd: install it then |
| 16:36.14 | nvz | TheCount: if shes looking at me or facing me I generally try to make eye contact |
| 16:36.18 | xoz | nvz: i think you are very *normal* |
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| 16:36.29 | TheCount | xoz: so do I. |
| 16:36.33 | edude05 | heh )0( |
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| 16:36.38 | Flamethrower | Crap. |
| 16:36.39 | TheCount | nvz: how old are you? |
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| 16:36.44 | xoz | !boobies |
| 16:36.44 | dpkg | /(.)^(.)-(.)^(.)\ |
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| 16:36.46 | TheCount | (if I may ask) |
| 16:36.55 | roler | i'm trying to setup bridging with my wireless card -- that is i'm running vmware and I can't seem to get it to work. Bridging works with my physical ethernet card, but not wireless. Does wireless not support this? |
| 16:37.01 | Flamethrower | On every kernel I try to compile, when booting it, I keep getting a message like Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on sd0 (0,2) |
| 16:37.14 | TheCount | Flamethrower: well, wrong root device :) |
| 16:37.22 | Flamethrower | It's the same one as the other kernels |
| 16:37.26 | azeem | xoz: please stop abusing the bot |
| 16:37.35 | TheCount | Flamethrower: then the device or filesystem is missing |
| 16:37.35 | xoz | Flamethrower: you forgot to compile the ide/fs driver static |
| 16:37.36 | nvz | TheCount: 22 |
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| 16:37.42 | Flamethrower | Ahh crap. |
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| 16:37.53 | TheCount | Flamethrower: or you're missing the initrd |
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| 16:38.02 | Flamethrower | initrd isn't there :( |
| 16:38.03 | xoz | Flamethrower: or create initrd image |
| 16:38.10 | Flamethrower | I don't know how to make it. |
| 16:38.11 | dvs | Flamethrower: if you're compiling your own, don't bother with initrd |
| 16:38.15 | xoz | Flamethrower: man mkinitrd |
| 16:38.18 | TheCount | nvz: ah, don't even think about it. you're perfectly normal. go out more, do more sports, everything will be fine. forget about autism. |
| 16:38.27 | Phated | Unless you forgot to compi;e in root fs and ide controller. |
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| 16:38.35 | TheCount | Flamethrower: --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 16:38.41 | nvz | TheCount: heh |
| 16:38.42 | Flamethrower | They're compiled in, as well as the SCSI controller for my SATA hdd |
| 16:38.53 | dvs | Flamethrower: into the kernel? |
| 16:38.56 | Flamethrower | Yeh |
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| 16:38.57 | xoz | nvz: how long do you spend your time in irc? |
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| 16:39.07 | dvs | Flamethrower: filesystem too? (EXT2/3) |
| 16:39.10 | Flamethrower | Yes. |
| 16:39.16 | Phated | Or anything else more exotic. |
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| 16:39.34 | dvs | Flamethrower: Then I'm guessing you're specifying an initrd you don't need. |
| 16:39.46 | Flamethrower | I don't have an initrd.img for the new kernel... |
| 16:39.51 | nvz | xoz: I spend all my free time here. ever since I found freenode I quite enjoy learning new things here. I sometimes for my own enjoyment do other things like go for walks or bike rides.. |
| 16:39.53 | Flamethrower | Guessing I'll have to make one? |
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| 16:40.04 | dvs | Flamethrower: but you're config could still be referecing one. |
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| 16:40.08 | asg | nvz: don't forget the breakfast burritos |
| 16:40.13 | nvz | I would play more sports I like football and tennis most.. my friends getting lazy. |
| 16:40.14 | roler | hmm |
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| 16:40.26 | nvz | I tried to get them to play some tennis about a month ago |
| 16:40.28 | Flamethrower | I strongly doubt it, dvs. |
| 16:40.32 | TheCount | nvz: don't forget having a life - and don't start to depend on your friends :) |
| 16:40.45 | dvs | Flamethrower: you won't even check? |
| 16:40.46 | nvz | Alan was ready to go, but wouldnt because Steve was being lazy and didnt want to leave him |
| 16:40.51 | Flamethrower | No clue how, dvs. |
| 16:40.56 | edude05 | is thier a problem with gnome debian sarge 3.1 and the 2.4.22 k6 kernel? |
| 16:40.56 | Phated | Bah, fuck life. |
| 16:40.57 | xoz | nvz: well, you need a tennis partner... find a good female player :) |
| 16:40.59 | nvz | TheCount: you cant play games like tennis alone |
| 16:40.59 | dvs | Flamethrower: lilo or grub |
| 16:41.11 | Flamethrower | Grub doesn't have an initrd line for the new kernel. |
| 16:41.16 | roler | so no one knows if wireless cards can do bridging? |
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| 16:41.38 | nvz | xoz: that thought poped into my mind earlier this morning.. I was like wait.. Allison is more athletic than anyone I know, maybe she'll play some tennis |
| 16:41.44 | TheCount | nvz: but you can go running or biking alone, and you can play tennis in a tennis club with total strangers - which cease to be strangers afterwards. |
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| 16:42.02 | TheCount | roler: they can. |
| 16:42.15 | TheCount | roler: I think you search hostap. |
| 16:42.16 | nvz | TheCount: yeah I go riding alone, or with friends.. they arent too lazy to bike ride.. they just dont like to walk or play sports much anymore |
| 16:42.25 | Flamethrower | Guess I'd better look up how to make an initrd.img |
| 16:42.37 | xoz | nvz: ahmm, allison sounds a beautiful name |
| 16:42.37 | TheCount | roler: oh, just had a look |
| 16:42.47 | roler | TheCount, ; hostap? |
| 16:42.48 | dvs | Flamethrower: you dont' need one. I don't use one. |
| 16:42.56 | TheCount | roler: I had that problem as well - update your vmware |
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| 16:43.11 | roler | TheCount, ; update? It is 5.0whatever... |
| 16:43.13 | nvz | xoz: yeah its probably Alison or something :P |
| 16:43.21 | nvz | xoz: I dont know how she spells it |
| 16:43.22 | TheCount | roler: and apply the vmware-any-any patch (see google) |
| 16:43.26 | xoz | nvz: tennis is a strategy game... you'll be able to exercise your neurons better than just idle biking. |
| 16:43.27 | TheCount | roler: and ask vmware support |
| 16:43.38 | roler | ok |
| 16:43.41 | roler | thanks |
| 16:43.42 | Flamethrower | Dvs, then explain how I get the Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs error to stop :( |
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| 16:44.18 | nvz | I first met her when I was a sophmore, so that was like 7 years ago.. Dont know how she spells her name :P |
| 16:44.18 | innovati | hey guys - got an xfree86 problem for you |
| 16:44.20 | TheCount | I think at least two hours endurance sports a week are healthy .. |
| 16:44.22 | Brox | how can you foward the sound over ssh? |
| 16:44.24 | xoz | Flamethrower: since you have no driver to load the root... it's like opening a door without a key. |
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| 16:44.45 | TheCount | Brox: with a sound daemon - but you'll have mixed results, promise. |
| 16:44.55 | Flamethrower | xoz, the SCSI/IDE drivers were compiled into it... |
| 16:44.59 | innovati | got a Samsung Syncmaster713v monitor with an ati radeon 9550, but something about the syncrates or whatever won't allow XFREE86 to load |
| 16:45.05 | xoz | Flamethrower: as well as the fs? |
| 16:45.06 | paulswm | Flamethrower: When you biuld your kernel, compile in all the support you need to mount your root partition (filesystem, etc), then you don't need an initrd |
| 16:45.07 | edude05 | how to you configure the kerne; your about to build again? |
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| 16:45.13 | nvz | xoz: yeah I love tennis. I never asked her before. She played um.. hockey in highschool so I know she's not lazy like the guys are. |
| 16:45.13 | dvs | Flamethrower: All of them or only the one you need? |
| 16:45.16 | edude05 | i mean grapically configure |
| 16:45.17 | Flamethrower | I don't think the FS was compiled in. |
| 16:45.26 | Flamethrower | DVS, the ones that were default to be compiled in I left. |
| 16:45.45 | dvs | Flamethrower: I'd just compile in the ones you need |
| 16:45.56 | Brox | TheCount> mixed results ~= not worth it? |
| 16:45.59 | xoz | nvz: me too. tennis+swimming+guitar. tennis is really a strategy and social game especially after the game. |
| 16:46.00 | dvs | Flamethrower: And you definitely need the filesystem compiled in |
| 16:46.19 | Flamethrower | I have no clue how to compile EXT3 into the kernel, and I'm not sure which of the SCSI drivers lets me use my SATA hdd. |
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| 16:46.37 | Phated | But... didn't you say they WERE in? |
| 16:46.44 | nvz | xoz: I still usually play with a youth racket though I seem to like it being shorter feels like I have better control |
| 16:46.46 | dvs | Flamethrower: until you get those sorted out, it won't work. |
| 16:46.52 | Flamethrower | SCSI drivers are compiled in, Phated. EXT3 isn't. |
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| 16:47.02 | Flamethrower | Gah. Thx dvs. |
| 16:47.09 | edude05 | no one knows ? |
| 16:47.10 | xoz | Flamethrower: that's the thing in compiling your own kernel. you need to know the proper modules to include in your kernel. otherwise, use initrd image. |
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| 16:47.16 | dvs | Flamethrower: The filesystem is necessary. Compile that in. |
| 16:47.18 | Phated | But you said fs was in. But in either case, it's under filesystems. Hit Y. |
| 16:47.21 | edude05 | I can only remeber its make something not menuconfig tho |
| 16:47.21 | asg | edude05: make menuconfig |
| 16:47.29 | Flamethrower | That'll be all I need, dvs? |
| 16:47.30 | edude05 | asg: lol |
| 16:47.41 | dvs | Flamethrower: if the SCSI drivers are correct, yes |
| 16:47.49 | asg | edude05: well, there's make xconfig |
| 16:47.51 | Flamethrower | Alright. If that doesn't work, how do I make an initrd image? |
| 16:47.55 | Phated | Why not just use prepackaged? |
| 16:48.00 | edude05 | asg: thx thats the one |
| 16:48.12 | Phated | Flamethrower: mkinitrd -o /path/to/initrd.img kernelversion |
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| 16:48.26 | Flamethrower | Thx Phated. |
| 16:48.28 | Phated | That probably being 2.6.13 or something. |
| 16:48.34 | Flamethrower | 2.6.14, but yeah. |
| 16:48.36 | xoz | Flamethrower: what you can do is use a debian kernel... lsmod and list all the modules loaded by the system... make sure those modules are compiled in your kernel |
| 16:48.40 | Phated | Yeah, close enough. :) |
| 16:49.06 | Phated | Of course, you need to be able to boot into some kind of system to mkinitrd. :) Which, seeing as you're online, we assume you can. |
| 16:49.08 | Flamethrower | I'll give that a shot when I compile the kernel, xoz. I'ma grab some paper and write all this down. |
| 16:49.30 | Flamethrower | Heh. I can boot into 2.6.8-2-k7 and i386, or as now, Winblows. |
| 16:49.43 | xoz | Flamethrower: not all... actually, those mods that are ide/scsi/fs related.... |
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| 16:49.53 | Phated | 2.6.8will do. I'd like to see you mkinitrd from windows. |
| 16:49.53 | Flamethrower | Alright. |
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| 16:50.13 | Flamethrower | Heh, I'm not even gonna try that. It'd be like grabing a caveman and telling him to rewrite DOS. |
| 16:50.36 | Phated | Prolly. |
| 16:50.43 | blondie | don't diss us cavemen |
| 16:51.18 | Flamethrower | Hah. |
| 16:51.21 | Flamethrower | Ok, booting into linux. |
| 16:51.30 | takatumi | ... |
| 16:51.31 | nvz | xoz: you got a cave? |
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| 16:51.41 | Squarepants | hi |
| 16:51.50 | dvs | Squarepants: hi bob |
| 16:51.53 | takatumi | Spongebob |
| 16:52.01 | nvz | I sort-of got a cave.. its obviously man-made though you can tell by the roof support |
| 16:52.07 | xoz | nvz: just a *metaphor* |
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| 16:52.17 | Squarepants | lol... i copied some files from my linux partition to my mounted windows xp partition.. however there they seem like empty folders |
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| 16:52.21 | Squarepants | what went wrong? |
| 16:52.36 | asg | Squarepants: NTFS partition? |
| 16:52.44 | xoz | Squarepants: what exact command you used? |
| 16:53.01 | Squarepants | cp |
| 16:53.04 | Squarepants | it's vfat |
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| 16:53.20 | dvs | Squarepants: how did you mount it? |
| 16:53.24 | xoz | Squarepants: exact command include the options for copying |
| 16:53.25 | Flamethrower | On linux. |
| 16:53.38 | takatumi | Flamethrower: good riddance. |
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| 16:53.51 | paulswm | Squarepants: did you use recursive copy 'cp -r' to copy directories, or were you just copying files? |
| 16:54.08 | takatumi | !win paulswm |
| 16:54.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:54.10 | Flamethrower | sata_nv 8516 2 |
| 16:54.12 | Squarepants | hmm i did it in kde.. that means drag and drop |
| 16:54.12 | Flamethrower | grr. |
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| 16:54.20 | dvs | Flamethrower: A module? |
| 16:54.21 | diana | Where is the list of what window managers gdm knows about...like when I click session and I see that list...where is that? |
| 16:54.23 | blondie | haha |
| 16:54.25 | paulswm | !beer takatumi |
| 16:54.28 | Flamethrower | Yeha, I'm trying to list a few of the, hold on |
| 16:54.42 | xoz | Flamethrower: probable that you have no permission... maybe, you mounted it as root. |
| 16:54.43 | blondie | Squarepants: well copy again using "cp" (and don't lie about it :P) |
| 16:54.51 | Squarepants | cp was the first time |
| 16:54.57 | Squarepants | which didnt work at all :P |
| 16:55.00 | sah_lee | Hi, can anybody tell me why there are two linux-image-2.6.12 (for 386 and 686) but only one linux-source-2.6.12 ?? |
| 16:55.10 | dvs | Squarepants: KDE mounts partitions as read only by default |
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| 16:55.15 | asg | sah_lee: same source compiled with different options |
| 16:55.18 | rootz | debian.org is out? |
| 16:55.23 | blondie | sah_lee: because they are compiled from teh same source |
| 16:55.28 | paulswm | Squarepants: What options did you use for cp, and what do you mean by it didnt work? error message? |
| 16:55.29 | blondie | FFS |
| 16:55.33 | xoz | Flamethrower: use cp -a <source> <dest> ... and check the error message. i bet, it will shout no permission or something like that. |
| 16:55.36 | Squarepants | dvs fstab had the rw option |
| 16:55.39 | Flamethrower | sata_nv, libata, scsi_mod, ide_disk, ide_generic, ext3, mbcache, jbd |
| 16:55.45 | xoz | Flamethrower: that was for Squarepants |
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| 16:55.47 | Flamethrower | those are the biggies related to SCSI,IDE, and FS |
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| 16:55.52 | Flamethrower | Gotcha, xoz |
| 16:55.57 | Squarepants | paulsm i mean that they were copied, but when i loged in windows, the files didnt exist |
| 16:56.03 | dvs | Flamethrower: the first five are good candidates |
| 16:56.09 | sah_lee | asg, blondie: but how do i build a image that is exactly the same to the official one? |
| 16:56.16 | blondie | erm |
| 16:56.21 | lpb-oberon | lol |
| 16:56.23 | paulswm | Squarepants: but they did show up when you did an ls from Linux? |
| 16:56.23 | blondie | why don't you just download the "official one" |
| 16:56.24 | rootz | debian.org is out? |
| 16:56.31 | Squarepants | yes |
| 16:56.33 | rootz | ok |
| 16:56.36 | blondie | maybe they are hidden? |
| 16:56.40 | takatumi | sah_lee: still stuck with the blank screen? |
| 16:56.43 | paulswm | rootz: looks that way |
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| 16:57.00 | Flamethrower | Well, gonna start making the xconfig for another recompile. |
| 16:57.03 | sah_lee | hi takatumi, glad you remember me :--) |
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| 16:57.11 | Squarepants | inormally i have the hidden files visible but let me check |
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| 16:57.45 | sah_lee | takatumi: now I can see characters in console, I dont see the blank screen any more. but the mode is wrong. |
| 16:57.56 | takatumi | sah_lee: with 792? |
| 16:57.58 | blondie | Squarepants: view the folder's properties to see whether it is has a size |
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| 16:58.07 | Squarepants | it hasnt |
| 16:58.10 | Squarepants | 0 |
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| 16:58.33 | sah_lee | takatumi: what i set is vga=792, but it displayed in an 800x600 (or 640x480, i don't know) mode. |
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| 16:58.45 | takatumi | sah_lee: try 791 maybe. |
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| 16:58.55 | asg | sah_lee: or 771 |
| 16:58.56 | Squarepants | anyway have to go |
| 16:58.58 | Squarepants | bye |
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| 16:59.08 | xoz | Squarepants: did you unmount cleanly? dod you check if the files are really copied? make sure about this because it seems strange. |
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| 16:59.33 | warsaw | hi everyone :) I have a stupid question....: how do I tell lilo /boot is on a partition other than / ? |
| 16:59.47 | Flamethrower | Hmm |
| 16:59.49 | sah_lee | takatumi, asg: I think I have tried 791 |
| 17:00.12 | Flamethrower | IDE/ATAPI cdrom support is only able to be compiled as a module |
| 17:00.14 | dvs | warsaw: you specify that partition as the boot parameter and remove the /boot from the front if the kernel filename |
| 17:00.22 | sah_lee | takatumi, asg: but not 771. you mean its the problem of my graphic card? |
| 17:00.25 | abrotman | !pee |
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| 17:00.34 | nvz | yay, I finally made up two passwords :-/ |
| 17:00.34 | dvs | Flamethrower: because something it needs is a module too. |
| 17:00.39 | takatumi | sah_lee: with both 791 and 792 you should get 1024x768, 792 should give you 24bit color depth as well, somethings wrong. |
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| 17:00.50 | xoz | Flamethrower: you have to check the main section or upper level to be compiled static. im not sure. |
| 17:01.14 | sah_lee | takatumi: oh, by the way, my solution was to compile the graphic drivers as 'built-in', not as modules. |
| 17:01.16 | warsaw | dvs: ?? could you tell me what do I have to put in /etc/lilo.conf ?? |
| 17:01.19 | paulswm | see you all |
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| 17:01.26 | takatumi | sah_lee: that's what I've done. |
| 17:01.32 | partyg77 | are there any url/doc/howto/whatever that discuss migriting from mysql-4.0 to mysql-4.1 on a debian sarge ? a customer need utf8 support and cant get it to work in 4.0. and i wondered if it's a easy as a drop in replacement ? i also run phpmyadmin, mysql_pam, mysql_nss on the same database. migration doable or should i rather install another server for mysql-.1 |
| 17:01.35 | dvs | warsaw: I haven't used lilo in a LONG time |
| 17:01.39 | Flamethrower | Thx dvs, got it set to compile into kernel. |
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| 17:01.54 | sah_lee | takatumi: ok, I will have a try later. |
| 17:01.56 | Octave_Octet | Hi. Is it possible to make module-assistant use experimental packages instead of unstable ? |
| 17:02.00 | dvs | Flamethrower: ok |
| 17:02.19 | warsaw | dvs: me too, I am a grub lover... |
| 17:02.21 | dvs | warsaw: If you use the paster I'm sure someone else might help |
| 17:02.22 | takatumi | sah_lee: there are a couple of framebuffer related options as well, try building them in as well. |
| 17:02.36 | sah_lee | takatumi: for example? |
| 17:02.50 | warsaw | dvs: paster ? |
| 17:02.58 | dvs | !tell warsaw about paster |
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| 17:04.01 | warsaw | dvs: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:04.03 | sah_lee | takatumi: i am gonna reboot. await me for a minute. :-) |
| 17:04.11 | dvs | warsaw: no prob |
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| 17:05.28 | Unuma678 | In what port in IRC the DCC sends file to me? |
| 17:05.37 | partyg77 | nobody knows anything about my mysql question ? |
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| 17:06.17 | asg | partyg77: any info on mysql's site about migration will equally well apply to the same on debian. #mysql is also a good source for such questions. |
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| 17:06.32 | partyg77 | Unuma678, random different port each dcc transfer. you can configure your client to limit itself to a range if you need to portforward that |
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| 17:07.00 | JEisen83 | Hey folks. I logged into my computer today to find rogue processes and cracking programs running. I got rid of the user running them (and changed passwords) -- now I want to make sure nothing's left. I ran chkrootkit, and nothing came up, but there's a line in ps aux: '1009 20181 ... ./ps 129.48 22' that I can't seem to kill. |
| 17:07.43 | Unuma678 | partyg77: Is it possible to do that with KSirc? cause I can't find it there.. |
| 17:07.45 | lpb-oberon | reinstall |
| 17:07.47 | partyg77 | asg: hmm thanks for the tip if it's more complicated then just replace the package. i think i'd rather use a separate box. |
| 17:08.01 | tlivingston | Im having trouble with apt. I tried to apt-get install a package which failed because it couldnt install certain dependencies.. now everytime i try to remove that package it complains of unmet dependencies and wont let me do anything else |
| 17:08.16 | lpb-oberon | JEisen83: or take goog look at ever single startup script |
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| 17:08.43 | lpb-oberon | good .. every |
| 17:08.49 | Octave_Octet | tlivingston: dpkg -r yourpackage |
| 17:08.54 | asg | JEisen83: reinstalling is the only gurantee. However, finding out how the intrusion occured is critical so it doesn't happen again. |
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| 17:09.01 | Octave_Octet | tlivingston: Then repair with aptitude |
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| 17:09.24 | JEisen83 | asg: That's what I'm trying to find out... are there programs you can recommend besides chkrootkit that I can look at? |
| 17:09.28 | sah_lee | takatumi: I am back |
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| 17:09.31 | tlivingston | Octave_Octet: theres no command line to reppair? |
| 17:09.35 | asg | JEisen83: rkhunter |
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| 17:09.46 | sah_lee | neither 791 nor 771 works :--( |
| 17:09.48 | asg | JEisen83: md5sums. |
| 17:09.55 | Octave_Octet | tlivingston: apt-get -f then |
| 17:09.57 | dondieschotte | how can i start the debian setup when i have stopped it ¿ |
| 17:09.58 | sah_lee | takatumi: neither 791 nor 771 works :--( |
| 17:10.00 | Flamethrower | Ok, about to recompile. It's set to have EXT3, as well as SATA support compiled into the kernel. ALSA sound as well, hopefully it'll finally let me use my onboard SB Live!. |
| 17:10.09 | nvz | hmm its saturday huh |
| 17:10.11 | asg | JEisen83: your logs (if the intruder was stupid), /home/*/.bash_history (if the intruder was stupid), etc. |
| 17:10.12 | lpb-oberon | dondelelcaro: base-config ?! |
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| 17:10.15 | tlivingston | Octave_Octet: that attempts to install the deps that wont install and cause the problem in the first place |
| 17:10.15 | Bent | i need help with dpkg-restore xseerver-xfree86 |
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| 17:10.20 | dvs | Flamethrower: ASLA is one thing I would NOT compile into the kernel |
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| 17:10.23 | lpb-oberon | dondieschotte: base-config ?! |
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| 17:10.26 | nvz | I was wondering why I seen my brother not in school this morning :P |
| 17:10.27 | Flamethrower | Why not, dvs? |
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| 17:10.48 | dvs | Flamethrower: If you want to disable it, you'll have to recompile the kernel |
| 17:10.49 | JEisen83 | asg: Okay, getting those. Any ideas on how to kill this one process that seems to not be responding to kill -9? |
| 17:10.50 | dondieschotte | Thanx |
| 17:10.51 | Octave_Octet | tlivingston: Have you removed the package with dpkg -r package ? |
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| 17:10.57 | dondieschotte | works |
| 17:11.01 | Flamethrower | dvs, I don't want to disable it, it's needed for my sound. |
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| 17:11.25 | dvs | Flamethrower: Things can change and it's not crucial to boot the system with it. |
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| 17:11.31 | Flamethrower | Alrighty. |
| 17:11.36 | asg | JEisen83: since your 'kill' binary might have been replaced, a reboot to single user mode is your likely bet. Even better, /msg dpkg i forgot root's password, and use that to bring the system up without using init |
| 17:11.36 | Unuma678 | Sorry, for disconnecting. Anyway, Is it possible to change the range of the ports in KSirc (in DCC get)?.. if not, any recommandaion for an irc client that has that option? |
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| 17:11.49 | Octave_Octet | tlivingston: Remove also the additional packages which have been installed by the main package with dpkg -r |
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| 17:12.07 | tlivingston | Octave_Octet: ah, that seems to be getting me somewhere.. thanks |
| 17:12.08 | JEisen83 | asg: Thanks |
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| 17:12.36 | asg | JEisen83: also, it is a good idea to boot froma Live-CD since you cannot trust *any* binary on the compromised system. |
| 17:12.45 | asg | s/froma/from a/ |
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| 17:13.10 | jsz | Hi, I want to share my ppp0 connection over the network, I have ipmasq installed, what do I need to do? |
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| 17:14.17 | sah_lee | takatumi: well i am gonna reboot again... |
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| 17:14.56 | Flamethrower | Wonder what the floodjoin was for. |
| 17:15.04 | asg | Flamethrower: morons |
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| 17:15.09 | Flamethrower | Apparently. |
| 17:15.22 | Flamethrower | Oh well, I'ma get a snack, it should take ~10 more minutes for the compile. Brb. |
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| 17:16.04 | Fluten | when i try to change a user's home directory, and copy over all the .bash stuff, it says ".bashrc: Permission denied" when i su to the user as a normal user |
| 17:16.24 | Fluten | i also tried chmodding the .bash files as 777, and it still errors |
| 17:16.31 | dvs | Fluten: maybe it's the destination |
| 17:16.41 | asg | Fluten: then new destintation directory has the wrong ownership / permissions |
| 17:16.51 | dippo | does anyone know of a way to guarantee the device name of, say, a USB mass storage device? |
| 17:16.58 | dvs | dippo: udev |
| 17:17.09 | dippo | is that a kernel thing or a package |
| 17:17.12 | Fluten | the destination directory is 755 |
| 17:17.14 | dvs | dippo: both |
| 17:17.17 | jsz | anyone got a sample ipmasq script for sharing a ppp connection? |
| 17:17.18 | dippo | ok, thanks |
| 17:17.25 | asg | Fluten: does the user own it though |
| 17:17.27 | dvs | Fluten: who does it belong to? |
| 17:17.30 | samo | i have small horizontal lines flashing around the screen sometimes when typing in writer or console, somebody can help me? |
| 17:17.47 | jsz | it's hard to look around with lynx |
| 17:17.55 | Bent | i screwed up my xserver need help |
| 17:18.04 | jsz | Linux guardian.homelinux.net 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:18.11 | Fluten | the user owns it now, that fixed it |
| 17:18.13 | Fluten | thanks |
| 17:18.13 | jsz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.16 | takatumi | jsz: nothing in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/? |
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| 17:18.22 | thingfish | Bent: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:18.54 | Bent | thingfish, i tryed that - i must not be doing it reight |
| 17:18.58 | Flamethrower | Bent |
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| 17:19.10 | Flamethrower | apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 ; apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:19.17 | dusk | whats a good media player? (also one that will work in firefox) |
| 17:19.26 | Pascat | Heys... I've been wondrin.... which is the most developped client, Xchat or BitchX? ^^ |
| 17:19.27 | Bent | i will try that Flamethrower |
| 17:19.31 | dvs | or apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:19.35 | dusk | pascat: irssi |
| 17:19.37 | jsz | hmm, which one would it be? |
| 17:19.37 | Flamethrower | That too ^^ |
| 17:19.40 | jsz | routes? |
| 17:19.43 | jsz | then which one? |
| 17:19.46 | jsz | or dnat? |
| 17:19.49 | Pascat | irssi? how do I get that one? |
| 17:19.49 | Flamethrower | I dunno Pascat, I use kvirc and it works fine. |
| 17:19.54 | takatumi | dusk: mplayer no good? |
| 17:20.07 | dusk | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 17:20.24 | dusk | takatumi: i used it before, just wasnt caught up |
| 17:20.34 | Flamethrower | It's weird, being the only one in my town that knows Linux exists :/ (Knoxville, IA) |
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| 17:20.43 | Bent | thank you dvs Flamethrower |
| 17:20.45 | Pascat | ...lol |
| 17:20.50 | dusk | EXISTS? |
| 17:20.53 | dvs | Bent: No problem |
| 17:20.56 | Flamethrower | Yeah. It's a pretty small town. |
| 17:21.13 | takatumi | dusk: mplayer and realplayer10 is good enough here. |
| 17:21.17 | Flamethrower | ~5k people, 80% farmers, ~5% tech. 90% of that tech is windows, 19% macs, me = the 1% linux. |
| 17:21.18 | apt | Flamethrower: what are you talking about? |
| 17:21.23 | dusk | I do not use realplayer |
| 17:21.23 | dusk | ! |
| 17:21.29 | Pascat | Flamethrower lives so far away, that DOS was just being programmed there! |
| 17:21.37 | takatumi | dusk: you don't have to. |
| 17:21.45 | dvs | Flamethrower: no, you're 0.05% ;-) |
| 17:21.48 | dusk | takatumi: okay good :D |
| 17:21.49 | Flamethrower | Haha, naw, our school computers use a locked-down form of Win98. |
| 17:21.50 | Flamethrower | True, dvs :P |
| 17:22.09 | Pascat | ...lol |
| 17:22.15 | CMT9782 | Question CMT9782 1132420931390: sfds |
| 17:22.16 | edude05 | Flamethrower: You need some Slax or something :-P |
| 17:22.22 | CMT9782 | Vote: CMT9782 1132420931390 |
| 17:22.25 | Flamethrower | heh :P |
| 17:22.32 | Pascat | WinXP doesn't exist yet over there! lol |
| 17:22.39 | CMT9782 | Answer CMT9782 1132420931390: sdd |
| 17:22.40 | Flamethrower | I've got XP Pro SP2 on another partition. |
| 17:22.51 | edude05 | Flamethrower: I use slax on are school pcs |
| 17:22.51 | takatumi | CMT9782: what are you? |
| 17:23.00 | jsz | please someone link me to a url to show me how to share ppp connection |
| 17:23.05 | Pascat | lol... well, maybe you're the only one who's got it too? |
| 17:23.12 | Rawplayer | mi |
| 17:23.23 | streuner | jsz: apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 17:23.29 | jsz | I've done it |
| 17:23.37 | edude05 | DAMN!!! THERe IS 787 PEOPLE HERE!!!! |
| 17:23.38 | samo | any sugestion about my problem?? |
| 17:23.39 | Flamethrower | Vcasel is good for locking down computers vs idiots, but if you use a simple program on a floppy disk, you can rename any malicious file you want to an acceptable one, and fix MD5 so it allows the file to run. Too simple. |
| 17:23.42 | jsz | I think I need to write some stupid script to make it work |
| 17:23.50 | takatumi | edude05: /msg dpkg ep |
| 17:23.50 | Pascat | lol... |
| 17:24.03 | Pascat | Debian is pretty big.... |
| 17:24.07 | edude05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.07 | streuner | jsz: setup your clients (/msg dpkg interfaces) |
| 17:24.32 | jsz | they are |
| 17:24.43 | Flamethrower | Debian is ~1.5 gig normal install on this box, ~.5 if you use expert26 |
| 17:25.00 | streuner | jsz: /j #flood |
| 17:25.20 | dvs | get out1 |
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| 17:25.39 | pookey | hey all. sarge is thecurrent stable in debian isn't it ? |
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| 17:25.44 | Flamethrower | Yeah. |
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| 17:25.53 | dvs | And?... |
| 17:25.54 | Pascat | Mmf, right...so Ihad an issue... my computer is running a barely supported chipset(SiS) and I believe I'm not using the right driver..... First, how do I make such which driver I'm using? |
| 17:25.56 | Flamethrower | Sid is testing, I believe. |
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| 17:26.03 | dvs | Flamethrower: nope |
| 17:26.04 | Ronin | etch is testing |
| 17:26.07 | Ronin | sid is unstable |
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| 17:26.20 | Flamethrower | Ok, I knew sid was one of the two, not sure which. |
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| 17:26.26 | luca_ | hallo |
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| 17:26.48 | pookey | Flamethrower: thanks. |
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| 17:26.53 | Pascat | make sure even.. |
| 17:26.53 | Eulex | something's conflicting with fam... is it possible to find out what? fam itself ain't conflicting with anything, neither does any of its dependencies |
| 17:27.00 | pookey | sid will allways be unstable wo't it ? |
| 17:27.04 | luca_ | halo :) |
| 17:27.05 | Eulex | pookey, yep |
| 17:27.18 | pookey | I've not used debian for a while, still remember some htings ;) |
| 17:27.48 | omry__ | hi. just install a fresh etch system, only gnome was installed. apt-get install kde output erros about kdeaddons (not installable) and kde-amusements. any idea why? |
| 17:27.49 | Eulex | luca_, goto #debian.de |
| 17:27.51 | pookey | sarge == debian 3.1 ? |
| 17:27.58 | Flamethrower | Si. |
| 17:28.03 | dvs | pookey: yup |
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| 17:28.16 | pookey | apt-setup is insisting on trying to move me over to testing, I have no idea why |
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| 17:28.31 | Flamethrower | Delete the testing source from sources.list? |
| 17:28.37 | dvs | pookey: check you;r /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 17:28.55 | pookey | I should be able to clear sources.list completly shoudln't I, then re-run apt-setup ? |
| 17:29.08 | Flamethrower | Yeah, but you'll be missing all your non-free and contrib sources. |
| 17:29.10 | Eulex | pookey, yep |
| 17:29.11 | dvs | pookey: you could. I'd just edit the file. |
| 17:29.32 | pookey | Flamethrower: I'm missing them anyway |
| 17:29.34 | Pascat | Anyone can help me with my graphics card issue? .... It seems not to be using the right driver, which is why it wouldcrash when running games I guess..... |
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| 17:29.42 | pookey | Flamethrower: debootstrap seems to have left this rather empty ;) |
| 17:29.43 | Flamethrower | dvs is right. Easier to just cut out the lines and save the other sources. |
| 17:29.49 | Flamethrower | Pascat, SiS? What chipset? |
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| 17:30.20 | Pascat | uh.... M650/650/750....something like that... |
| 17:30.23 | Eulex | Pascat, is it a laptop? |
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| 17:30.28 | Pascat | Yes it is |
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| 17:30.36 | edude05 | sry pressed the wrong button |
| 17:30.39 | Flamethrower | Hmm, 650/750 is old. |
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| 17:30.44 | Flamethrower | Very, very old. |
| 17:30.47 | edude05 | you can download debain sid right? |
| 17:31.01 | Pascat | The computer is 3 yeras old.... |
| 17:31.04 | Pascat | years |
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| 17:31.20 | Flamethrower | Yeah, but the chipset has been out since '01 ish. |
| 17:31.21 | linux_manju | hi all |
| 17:31.32 | edude05 | im scared |
| 17:31.37 | thingfish | edude05: if you want sid, you install sarge first, then dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 17:31.38 | Eulex | Pascat, check out tuxmobil.org and linux-on-laptops.com |
| 17:31.38 | Pascat | Cool |
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| 17:32.02 | Eulex | Pascat, that is, if you know the exact brand and model of your laptop |
| 17:32.03 | edude05 | I tried to install lmms and it said that the whole kde suite had to be removed |
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| 17:32.07 | Pascat | how do I check which driver its using/ |
| 17:32.13 | Flamethrower | lsmod? |
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| 17:32.38 | Flamethrower | Check your xconfig, I suppose. |
| 17:32.39 | Eulex | Pascat, for X? check your xorg.conf/X86Config-4 in /etc/X11 |
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| 17:32.51 | Pascat | Oki |
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| 17:33.09 | Flamethrower | :/ My kernel's taking a while longer than usual to compile. |
| 17:33.16 | Flamethrower | It's been goin 20 mins, usually takes 15. oh well |
| 17:33.26 | edude05 | Does anyone know how to compile the nvidia driver into the kernel? |
| 17:33.29 | Flamethrower | Msut be the EXT3/SATA suppost compiled in. |
| 17:33.33 | paolob | Hi guys! How do I rewrite with dpkg-reconfigure a manually modified XF86Config-4? thank you! |
| 17:33.39 | Flamethrower | edude, if you figure it out, elmme know. |
| 17:33.48 | edude05 | lol |
| 17:33.54 | Flamethrower | Paolob, dpkg-reconfigure just edits the XF86Config-4 file. |
| 17:33.56 | edude05 | Flamethrower: No prob |
| 17:33.56 | dvs | !tell paolob about xmd5 |
| 17:34.01 | takatumi | edude05: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:34.21 | Pascat | BoardName "SiS 650/M650/651/740" actually, was a lil wrong back there.....but I bet its still very old :/ |
| 17:34.32 | Flamethrower | Yeah. Older than I thought. |
| 17:34.38 | Eulex | edude05, you don't |
| 17:34.44 | Flamethrower | takatumi: that doesn't always work. |
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| 17:35.03 | Flamethrower | takatumi: Andrex's walkthrough is pretty good and detailed, though.' |
| 17:35.06 | takatumi | Flamethrower: haven't tried it, no nvidia cards around, but many say it works. |
| 17:35.16 | Flamethrower | I'm one of the few it didn't work for :P |
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| 17:35.25 | edude05 | ehhh |
| 17:35.34 | phreaker | Hiya guys! |
| 17:35.47 | Eulex | edude05, you compile it as a module. not into the kernel. |
| 17:35.50 | edude05 | My nvid card works right now, im just worried it will explode when i install my new kernel |
| 17:35.54 | JEisen83 | rkhunter found an unusual file: ttyS4 is an ascii file (with text" atdt3333333"). |
| 17:36.07 | Flamethrower | edude, just rebuild nvidia drivers on the new kernel if you have to. |
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| 17:36.24 | edude05 | Flamethrower: Yeah, I'mm gunna have to |
| 17:36.28 | edude05 | :-? |
| 17:36.31 | JEisen83 | Anyone know what that might signify? |
| 17:36.31 | edude05 | :-/ |
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| 17:36.44 | magyar | i have to append a word to about 100 lines in a file, how could i do that with "for" in bash? |
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| 17:37.18 | m_athias | using sed? |
| 17:37.29 | magyar | sure |
| 17:37.31 | pookey | Flamethrower: dvs thanks ;) |
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| 17:37.36 | edude05 | humm, this is the second time i've com piled a kernel and it looks different than the last time |
| 17:37.41 | paolob | dvs hte md5 sums of the archive and the debconf-saved are equal, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't save the XF86Config-4 . Where does dpkg-reconfigure put the config file???? |
| 17:38.04 | Flamethrower | paolob: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:38.06 | Eulex | magyar, I believe you can do echo whatever >> file to append a line to it |
| 17:38.15 | m_athias | cat a | sed -e 's/$/bla/' |
| 17:38.26 | Flamethrower | Alright all, moment of truth: I'ma try booting into my new kernel. Brb if it goes well. |
| 17:38.32 | m_athias | will append "bla" to the end of every line in a |
| 17:38.40 | takatumi | paolob: backup existing config, try dexconf. |
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| 17:39.01 | Eulex | paolob, have you got XFree86 or Xorg? |
| 17:39.11 | Pascat | Darn it..... :( |
| 17:39.16 | paolob | Eulex: xfree86 |
| 17:39.30 | edude05 | dpkg doesn't have anything on making a custom debian sarge disc with sid packages does it? or is there a special way to do it so that one everything is insta;;ed you can just apt and it will get it fro the cd? |
| 17:39.32 | dpkg | that's too long, edude05 |
| 17:39.38 | Pascat | Its a clone, and I can't figure out which it is, because... well, it should be an asus, but since its an asus clone, its not under their name :/ |
| 17:39.38 | edude05 | ... |
| 17:39.39 | paolob | takatumi: dexconf doesn't do anything! |
| 17:39.44 | edude05 | ok |
| 17:39.56 | omry__ | anyone knows what can cause this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ny1AbE32.html |
| 17:40.15 | takatumi | paolob: mv existing file out of the way and then try dexconf. |
| 17:41.14 | Eulex | edude05, are you trying to set up sid on a system without an internet connection? |
| 17:41.46 | edude05 | Eulex: No but a similar situation |
| 17:41.55 | Eulex | omry, try apt-get install kde-amusements and see what it says |
| 17:42.01 | paolob | takatumi: done. dexconf doesn't make the new XF86Config-4 |
| 17:42.44 | edude05 | Eulex: I'm installing sid with a few of my own packages on a lot of computers at once with a slow internet connection |
| 17:43.02 | Eulex | edude05, try apt-cacher. |
| 17:43.08 | edude05 | Eulex: Tho, i think i could run a repo over the net no? |
| 17:43.21 | edude05 | *network |
| 17:43.31 | Pascat | apparently, model is d1500T....but it doesn't exist :/ |
| 17:43.40 | brosioz | how can i create a bridge between eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 17:43.44 | takatumi | paolob: mv it back and probably try --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:43.53 | Eulex | edude05, yes, apt-cacher sets up a local cache for packages. |
| 17:44.00 | Bent | dvs Flamethrower i have recovered my xfree86.config file how do i exit VI and save it? |
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| 17:44.15 | dvs | Bent: :x |
| 17:44.24 | Glen | cam someone help me with a newb CLI question? |
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| 17:44.52 | edude05 | thanks Eulex |
| 17:44.57 | Eulex | Glen, just ask away |
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| 17:45.13 | paolob | takatumi: doing that installs xserver-xorg-dbg . What's that? |
| 17:45.14 | Glen | [admin14@secure /]$ mv /var/www/html/php-files/ /var/www/html/ |
| 17:45.14 | Glen | mv: cannot stat `/var/www/html/php-files': No such file or directory |
| 17:45.20 | Glen | why doesnt the above work? lol |
| 17:45.24 | Glen | dont laugh please |
| 17:45.30 | edude05 | although, I'll still need to find a way to make an install disc incase the system crap out after its left my lab |
| 17:45.46 | Eulex | edude05, I've got it running here for 2 computers. I've just got a 0.5mbit line. and it works reall well |
| 17:45.53 | Eulex | *really |
| 17:47.13 | Eulex | Glen, does the directory exist? |
| 17:48.14 | abrotman | Glen: does it actually exist ? |
| 17:48.15 | Glen | eulex: on ftp it does, but not on CLI |
| 17:48.25 | brosioz | kde3.4 are alredy on testing ? |
| 17:48.42 | abrotman | Glen: perhaps .. mv -R /var/www/html/php-files/* /var/www/html/ ? |
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| 17:49.03 | nicoal | what's the trick for purging an already removed package? |
| 17:49.09 | abrotman | dpkg -P |
| 17:49.16 | sandman | So how exactly does the debian development process work @ sid? Do all developers use sid with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on a cronjob? |
| 17:49.34 | Eulex | Glen, cd /var/www/html/php-files? |
| 17:50.02 | dvs | sandman: not on a cronjob |
| 17:50.14 | Glen | meh its not working Eulex |
| 17:50.23 | Glen | but on ftp it is defo there |
| 17:50.24 | Glen | wtf |
| 17:50.33 | abrotman | sandman: if you update your unstable box via cron .. you're asking for a broken machine |
| 17:50.53 | nicoal | abrotman, gratzi |
| 17:50.54 | Eulex | Glen, cd /var/www/html && ls -al? |
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| 17:51.19 | edude05 | Will apt-get upgrade kde upgrade kde to 3.4? |
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| 17:51.33 | omry__ | trying to install kde. apt-get install kde outputed this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ny1AbE32.html , I tried different source in sources.list, but I get the same result. |
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| 17:52.07 | beardy | etch? |
| 17:52.18 | omry__ | beardy, yes. |
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| 17:52.32 | abrotman | edude05: what version fo debian ? |
| 17:52.33 | beardy | omry__: you have to wait then |
| 17:52.34 | Glen | result sent eulux |
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| 17:52.48 | Eulex | Glen, what? |
| 17:52.52 | abrotman | maybe we could get /topic KDE in etch/testing is pretty much fucked :) |
| 17:53.03 | beardy | would be good |
| 17:53.17 | omry__ | beardy, abrotman, good to know its not me :) |
| 17:53.18 | Glen | eulex: get my pm? |
| 17:53.28 | abrotman | omry__: it's the meta package |
| 17:53.30 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 17:53.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 17:53.37 | abrotman | omry__: try a few of the smaller pices |
| 17:53.40 | Eulex | Glen, no. pm is disabled iirc. use paster. |
| 17:53.42 | abrotman | pieces too |
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| 17:53.49 | Glen | paster? |
| 17:53.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:53.54 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:53.55 | Eulex | !paster |
| 17:53.55 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 17:54.14 | Glen | ahh |
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| 17:54.55 | edude05 | abrotman: Sarge |
| 17:55.12 | Eulex | btw, debian.org seems to be kinda dead. |
| 17:55.14 | abrotman | edude05: no .. the version of kde that sarge has .. will remain that version |
| 17:55.19 | Glen | eulex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1136 |
| 17:55.21 | abrotman | edude05: if you want unofficial packages .. ask #debian-kde |
| 17:55.29 | abrotman | Eulex: so is planet.d.o |
| 17:55.29 | omry__ | abrotman, seems that kde-amusements is amusing itself on my behalf. |
| 17:55.45 | Eulex | abrotman, yep, same ip, probably same server |
| 17:55.51 | edude05 | #debian-kde |
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| 17:56.30 | abrotman | omry__: you want it to dirty touch you ? |
| 17:56.34 | Eulex | Glen, see? php-files/ doesn't exist |
| 17:56.53 | Glen | i know but hold on, ill screen shot my ftp |
| 17:56.58 | omry__ | abrotman, only if its a she. |
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| 17:58.06 | Dabian | Is the website down? |
| 17:58.14 | Eulex | yep. |
| 17:58.19 | Dabian | (http://www.debian.org) |
| 17:58.24 | abrotman | dabaR: apparently |
| 17:58.29 | Dabian | Why? Is debian suddenly but rapidly dying? |
| 17:58.36 | abrotman | Dabian: yes ... |
| 17:58.47 | Dabian | ? |
| 17:59.03 | Dabian | abrotman : You're joking, right? |
| 17:59.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:59.15 | Eulex | abrotman, better add that to the /topic. otherwise lots of people will come in here and ask. |
| 17:59.16 | slibs | can you guys remember what was the attribute in Eterm to hide the top menu? |
| 17:59.27 | Dabian | Eulex : I am da first? |
| 17:59.41 | Dabian | abrotman : I actually checked the topic before asking, btw. |
| 17:59.44 | Eulex | Dabian, since I came in here, yes |
| 17:59.49 | Glen | eulex: http://www.djmitzi.co.uk/1.PNG |
| 17:59.50 | Hawkwind | --buttonbar=0 |
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| 17:59.51 | abrotman | Eulex: i can't do anything about the topic |
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| 18:00.03 | jbmigel | "convert file1.xcf file1.pdf" produces a .pdf file but it is corrupt, is there an easy way to convert gimp to pdf out there? |
| 18:00.03 | Eulex | abrotman, ah, sry then |
| 18:00.18 | thc | !cure |
| 18:00.18 | dpkg | i guess cure is a Cure for a hangover requires said drunk user to ingest large volumes of liquid (of non-alcoholic preference) before passing out. This keeps the body and brain hydrated throughout the night causing little to no hangover the following day |
| 18:00.19 | smiley | hi all |
| 18:00.26 | thc | sounds like a plan. |
| 18:00.26 | Dabian | Thats one more lousy thing about freenode, people never takes @ so that you can spot admins. |
| 18:00.30 | abrotman | Glen: ls -l /var/www/html/ |
| 18:00.36 | weissi | jbmigel, print to ps and ps2pdf ?? |
| 18:00.47 | paolob | Guys, why does my testing install xserver-xorg-dbg ? |
| 18:01.05 | Eulex | paolob, how are we supposed to know? |
| 18:01.07 | Glen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.19 | Dabian | paolob : Somehow you directly or indirectly asked it to, unless you've been cracked. |
| 18:01.19 | abrotman | and it's not there ? |
| 18:01.33 | Glen | abrotman - i done that, wasnt there, but if u look at that pic, it is there... |
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| 18:01.38 | slibs | Hawkwind: thanks |
| 18:01.41 | paolob | Dabian: I gave apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:01.56 | thc | there is no xserver-xfree86 on etch. |
| 18:02.02 | Dabian | paolob: Which dependencies does xserver-xfree86 have? |
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| 18:02.09 | valdyn | !info xserver-xfree86 etch |
| 18:02.11 | oxEz | Is debian.org down for everyone? |
| 18:02.22 | Dabian | oxEz : For me it is. |
| 18:02.34 | Dabian | oxEz : I cannot truely speak for everyone. |
| 18:02.43 | Eulex | down here too. |
| 18:02.48 | oxEz | Okay, thanks. I just wanted to know if it was their server of only my shitty ISP :] |
| 18:02.56 | oxEz | err, *or* |
| 18:03.15 | abrotman | Glen: use the paster .. and paste the contents of ls -l /var/www/html/ somewhere |
| 18:03.19 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:03.19 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 18:03.22 | paolob | Dabian: xfree86-common and xserver-common, + other non-X |
| 18:03.23 | Dabian | oxEz : Well, a traceroute would clear that up. |
| 18:03.31 | Glen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.33 | Dabian | abrotman : Why is debian.org down? |
| 18:03.40 | Dabian | abrotman : If you know. |
| 18:03.42 | Eulex | Glen, either your ftp server or your ftp client is fscked -- have you tried just refreshing? |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | Dabian: because .. it's nap time! |
| 18:03.43 | Dabian | !mge |
| 18:03.54 | Dabian | abrotman : You need sleep, man. |
| 18:03.54 | oxEz | Dabian: right |
| 18:03.54 | Glen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.08 | abrotman | i see |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | Dabian: it's like .. 1PM here |
| 18:04.25 | Glen | eulex: yeah lol, it is *DEFO* there :( |
| 18:04.26 | Dabian | abrotman : You slept last night ? |
| 18:04.29 | abrotman | yes ... |
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| 18:04.35 | abrotman | why does everyone assume i don't sleep ? |
| 18:04.44 | Dabian | abrotman : No going to town and tossing beers down the throat? |
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| 18:04.50 | Dabian | and/or |
| 18:04.56 | Dabian | abrotman : and/or |
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| 18:05.04 | abrotman | Dabian: last night ? |
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| 18:05.11 | Dabian | abrotman : Last night. |
| 18:05.14 | abrotman | nope |
| 18:05.14 | foo | Is there anyway to make .rpm's on debian? |
| 18:05.22 | abrotman | use rpm ? |
| 18:05.24 | Dabian | abrotman : I c. |
| 18:05.33 | oxEz | Dabian: I get timeout after 65.112.33.30, that's why :| |
| 18:05.39 | foo | abrotman: No, build them |
| 18:05.41 | abrotman | Glen: afaict .. those aren't the same servers |
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| 18:05.51 | me-g33k | I can ping through to it... (debian.org) |
| 18:05.52 | abrotman | foo: i think RPM .. |
| 18:05.56 | valdyn | foo: what would be the point? |
| 18:06.12 | oxEz | me-g33k: yea me too. tracert goes through at least 10 ips before timeout |
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| 18:06.25 | Dabian | oxEz : Somebody needs to be beat up because of this. Complain to your manure-like ISP about something else they do wrong, just to get this out of the system. ;-) |
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| 18:06.27 | abrotman | Glen: yes .. those are not the same servers ... |
| 18:06.29 | netbrain | can someone tell me about java installation on debian? |
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| 18:06.36 | Eulex | abrotman, yep, not the same content at all. |
| 18:06.46 | netbrain | !tell netbrain java |
| 18:06.48 | netbrain | ? |
| 18:06.50 | foo | valdyn: Package builder... been building packages for mandriva for a long time and have a site with hight traffic. Don't want to just let it die. Was wondering if I could still do the rpms on debian. |
| 18:06.51 | me-g33k | 64 bytes from gluck.debian.org (192.25.206.10): icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=91.4 ms |
| 18:06.52 | abrotman | !tell netbrain about java |
| 18:06.54 | Dabian | OK .. since debian.org is down, I will assume that everyone is allowed to abuse the bots mercilessly. |
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| 18:07.04 | abrotman | Dabian: for what ? |
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| 18:07.12 | oxEz | Dabian: no I won't call them. Everytime I call them they tell me that I personnaly need to contact the server. |
| 18:07.14 | Eulex | Dabian, yep, but only if you do it privately :) |
| 18:07.15 | Fryth | Correct me if I'm wrong, but the SpamAssassin package in unstable contains no spamc file? |
| 18:07.15 | Dabian | abrotman : Life, the universe and everything! |
| 18:07.20 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:07.20 | Glen | eulex/abrotman: yeah it seems that way, but iv used the command line to unzip files iv uploaded via ftp before... hmm |
| 18:07.30 | Dabian | !psp |
| 18:07.31 | dpkg | psp are Pot Smokin Programmers |
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| 18:07.39 | Dabian | !find psp |
| 18:07.45 | valdyn | foo: that wouldnt be useful, or what would rpms *for* mandrive but with debian's binary abi and dependencies good for.. |
| 18:07.49 | abrotman | Dabian: /msg dpkg find psp |
| 18:07.51 | me-g33k | Eh... gtg. Gotta take the kids to the new HP movie... |
| 18:07.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'psp' (9 of 45): (/etc/psp.conf) in web/psp ;; (/usr/bin/zipsplit) in utils/zip ;; (/usr/bin/tcpspray) in net/netdiag ;; (/usr/bin/fixpspps) in text/psutils ;; (/usr/bin/ncftpspooler) in net/ncftp ;; (/usr/bin/dcmpsprt) in science/dcmtk ;; (/usr/include/glpspx.h) in math/glpk ;; (/usr/bin/pspresent) in x11/pspresent ;; (/usr/bin/apspreview) in text/apsfilter. |
| 18:07.56 | Eulex | Dabian, privately, I said |
| 18:08.05 | Dabian | abrotman : I will probably have a question. |
| 18:08.07 | valdyn | foo: that wouldnt be useful, or what would rpms *for* mandriva but with debian's binary abi and dependencies be good for.. |
| 18:08.11 | abrotman | Dabian: so ? |
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| 18:08.19 | foo | valdyn: Yeah, was just wondering. |
| 18:08.21 | Fryth | My SpamAssassin is totally broken because it does not contain an essential file in the distribution. Postfix complains it can't find /usr/bin/spamc because it DOES NOT EXIST. |
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| 18:08.34 | Dabian | abrotman : I am trying to find out about the psp-software for mge-ups'es. |
| 18:08.40 | Fryth | am I doing something wrong or can someone actually confirm that the package is busted. |
| 18:08.42 | valdyn | foo: that said, you could just have a mandriva chroot in build in there |
| 18:08.48 | valdyn | s/in/and/ |
| 18:08.49 | Eulex | Fryth, that's because it's called unstable |
| 18:08.57 | Fryth | I'm not complaining, I just want verification |
| 18:08.57 | foo | valdyn: Mandriva chroot ? What do you mean? |
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| 18:09.06 | abrotman | Dabian: www.nl.debian.org does work ... |
| 18:09.11 | wakejagr | Is it possible to get cups to automatically filter dvi files to ps before printing? I have dvi2ps installed (restarted cups after), and can manually convert and lpr the resulting .ps without a problem. Am I missing something? |
| 18:09.18 | basix | hi guys. can scp resume downloads? |
| 18:09.25 | Fryth | I am still going to use unstable for some things, and I just want to know if I have to downgrade it |
| 18:09.32 | pi-meson | I just updated to testing w/x.org, and now every time xscreensaver engages I lose all keyboard input. I've tried googling but "xscreensaver keyboard loss" and the like are all returning noise. Anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong? |
| 18:09.33 | valdyn | foo: mount a mandrive installation, chroot to it, ( man chroot ), and you basically are in mandriva |
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| 18:09.42 | Fryth | Thanks for your sarcastic help. No wonder you don't have a real job. |
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| 18:09.53 | Dabian | abrotman : Cool. |
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| 18:10.45 | abrotman | some people are so angry |
| 18:11.00 | wang | abrotman : STFU MAN! |
| 18:11.01 | wang | lol |
| 18:11.02 | wang | jk |
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| 18:11.18 | jbmigel | weissi: ps2pdf is online converter, is there a CLI tool out there capable of converting to pdf that you know of? |
| 18:11.25 | oxEz | Hm, debian codenames are based on toy stories right? |
| 18:11.33 | valdyn | jbmigel: ps2pdf is cli |
| 18:11.41 | Eulex | yep. irritated question gets irritated answers. was just gonna say that /usr/bin/spamc is in the package spamc |
| 18:11.43 | slibs | and again other question i couldn find in eterm -h, how to disable scrollbar? |
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| 18:11.55 | wang | anyone know why mozilla keeps making me create new profiles when i use mozilla/mozilla composer, then when I use composer to open a html file It won't see the files whilst browsing around? |
| 18:12.04 | Firestarter2 | KDE 3.4 looks great |
| 18:12.20 | Dabian | abrotman : Lets burn them on the stake. |
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| 18:12.32 | Thanatermesis | OT: im trying to put a link in the project page for donations, but no all persons can have paypal account... its a bad idea to show the IBAN and BIC numbers of the bank account for make a "bank transfer mode" ? |
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| 18:12.45 | sandman | What is this stuff that comes out of strage? Assembly? |
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| 18:12.56 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: ask the bank ? |
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| 18:13.06 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 18:13.17 | wakejagr | I'm converting from a .tex doc, so I can pdflatex and then print. However, .ps files seem to print better - pdf's are crooked for some reason. |
| 18:13.19 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: why would that be a bad idea? |
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| 18:13.24 | Thanatermesis | abrotman i speak about the "danger" of show this numbers publically |
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| 18:13.40 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i'm joking .. i don't reeally know |
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| 18:13.58 | Thanatermesis | valdyn its numbers for make a transfer... IMHO no any person can posible to use for "bad things", but im not expert in this things |
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| 18:14.07 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: TONS of bank accounts with that info can be found anywhere |
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| 18:14.56 | Thanatermesis | ok valdyn , thanks |
| 18:15.14 | Glen | eulex/abrotman: okay i figured it out |
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| 18:15.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:15.33 | Glen | eulex/abrotman: |
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| 18:15.34 | Glen | $ mv /home/virtual/site14/fst/home/glen/mainwebsite_html/php-files/ /home/virtual/site14/fst/home/glen/mainwebsite_html/ |
| 18:15.34 | Glen | mv: `/home/virtual/site14/fst/home/glen/mainwebsite_html/php-files' and `/home/virtual/site14/fst/home/glen/mainwebsite_html/php-files' are the same file |
| 18:15.36 | Glen | but |
| 18:15.39 | Glen | im still getting that |
| 18:15.41 | Pascat | Hee hee :) I don't come here to complain or ask for help or anything(well, I had a question but I forgot it ...so I'll shift to the other reason) I want to compliment the debian developpers for the great work over the unix ^^ (*likes it*) ^^'' |
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| 18:15.45 | wang | anyone know why mozilla keeps making me create new profiles when i use mozilla/mozilla composer, then when I use composer to open a html file It won't see the files whilst browsing around? |
| 18:16.10 | abrotman | Glen: mv -R /foo/bar/* /foo/ |
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| 18:16.29 | Glen | abrotman: type it exactly like that |
| 18:16.35 | Dabian | wang : Actually it doesn't. But I am actually joking, laugh. |
| 18:17.01 | Glen | abrotman: or are u just typing /foo/bar/ cos you cant be bothered typing the lot? |
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| 18:17.12 | abrotman | Glen: yes .. |
| 18:17.25 | abrotman | Glen: but at least i gave you the answer! |
| 18:17.31 | wang | Dabian : what? |
| 18:17.44 | Glen | abrotman: okay :) bet u giggled to ya self then eh :P |
| 18:17.49 | Dabian | wang : You're choosing to create new profiles. |
| 18:17.50 | oxEz | I don't see the debian unstable in the torrent list. Does this mean I have to install the stable and then dist-upgrade? |
| 18:17.53 | Pascat | Oh yes I remember.... How do I set my default browser to Firefox already? lol |
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| 18:18.02 | wang | Dabian : yes? and your point? |
| 18:18.03 | Dabian | wang : Actually I can guess your /real/ problem, so I might help you. |
| 18:18.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:18.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:18.09 | valdyn | oxEz: that is the best way |
| 18:18.12 | abrotman | Pascat: where ? |
| 18:18.22 | Pascat | X |
| 18:18.24 | sachink | so folks i have installed alsa and i am trying to get my cs4236 based card on my thinkpad 600 to work, when is try to modprobe for it says module not found what shud i do |
| 18:18.26 | Glen | abrotman: okay lol sorry you* |
| 18:18.28 | wang | Dabian : oh enlighten me of what my "real problem" is so I can discard my "fake problem" |
| 18:18.30 | Pascat | or gnome, or whatever... |
| 18:18.35 | oxEz | ok thank you. I used Gentoo and Ubuntu for a while, but now I really want to try what debian is :] |
| 18:18.39 | abrotman | !gnome default browser |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | !gnome browser |
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| 18:19.04 | Dabian | wang : Do NOT start more than ONE copy of firefox. Either use tabbed browsing or use control+n to open an extra frame. |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | !gnomebrowser |
| 18:19.08 | dpkg | To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser" |
| 18:19.24 | valdyn | !x-www-browser |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
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| 18:19.41 | wang | Dabian : A. I don't use firefox. B. It happens when I have mozilla-browser opened and I open mozilla-composer. |
| 18:19.48 | Eulex | sachink, cs4236 based? what's the exact model? |
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| 18:20.02 | basix | does anyone know how can i resume downloads started by "scp" ?? |
| 18:20.03 | Dabian | wang : s/firefox/mozilla-browser/ |
| 18:20.03 | valdyn | wang: why dont you open the composer from mozillas file menu? |
| 18:20.08 | sachink | Eulex, thinkpad 600 , it used to work |
| 18:20.14 | Glen | abrotman: |
| 18:20.14 | Glen | mv: invalid option -- R |
| 18:20.14 | Glen | Try `mv --help' for more information. |
| 18:20.25 | Eulex | sachink, I mean the sound card |
| 18:20.37 | blondie | basix: don't think you can |
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| 18:20.44 | abrotman | Glen: maybe it's just -r |
| 18:20.52 | sachink | Eulex, i dunno the docs said it is sndcs4236 based |
| 18:21.07 | Dabian | valdyn : Either wang likes problems, or he didn't know how to start composer from the file menu. |
| 18:21.12 | abrotman | Glen: man mv |
| 18:21.14 | sachink | problem is modprobe is not able to find the module in its path |
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| 18:21.16 | Glen | !paste |
| 18:21.17 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:21.17 | blondie | mv -R? |
| 18:21.19 | basix | blondie, what about sftp? will it resume the download i started by scp? |
| 18:21.19 | Dabian | valdyn : THats my guess, at least. |
| 18:21.30 | abrotman | wait .. it's cp -R .. |
| 18:21.31 | wang | valdyn : thanks for the workaround. that seems to be effective. Dabian, no I don't like problems, I just don't like petulant geek nostril flaring asses like yourself. |
| 18:21.33 | abrotman | i give up |
| 18:21.33 | blondie | mv is by definition recursive |
| 18:21.37 | Glen | lol |
| 18:21.41 | blondie | there is no -R or -r for mv |
| 18:21.46 | Glen | i dont wanna cp tho |
| 18:21.47 | blondie | (it's always recursive) |
| 18:21.47 | Dabian | wang : That doesn't answer his question, though. |
| 18:21.52 | Glen | cp = copy - right? |
| 18:21.53 | blondie | Glen: just "mv" |
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| 18:21.55 | abrotman | Glen: mv /foo/bar/* /foo/ |
| 18:21.55 | blondie | yes |
| 18:21.59 | Glen | okay |
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| 18:22.12 | blondie | mv will move a file/directory, and its contents |
| 18:22.25 | Eulex | sachink, http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/tp600lnx.htm#secsnd |
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| 18:23.09 | Dabian | Does anyone here use an UPS? |
| 18:23.14 | Unuma678 | does anyone know an IRC client that its DCC ports (for getting files) can be configured (for NAT uses) |
| 18:23.17 | sylvain | hi, under debian what's the technique to change the application <--> filetype associations? |
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| 18:23.19 | abrotman | Dabian: just ask |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | sylvain: in gnome ? |
| 18:23.28 | sachink | Eulex, i have read that doc and i made all the config accordingly, but when i try to modprobe for the module snd-cs4236 it says module not found |
| 18:23.40 | wang | sylvain : in nautilus if you right click on the file you can modify it and it will make it a global setting |
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| 18:23.47 | sylvain | abrotman: yes in gnome |
| 18:23.48 | Eulex | sachink, have you installed alsa-base? |
| 18:23.57 | Dabian | Unuma678 : Why not use the features of the kernel-modules?!??? |
| 18:24.01 | Gnea | hrm |
| 18:24.15 | Gnea | Dabian: calm down please. |
| 18:24.17 | abrotman | sylvain: right click on the file .. choose properties .. pick open with .. easy from there |
| 18:24.17 | sachink | Eulex, yup, i see the modules are installed under /lib/modules/extra/alsa |
| 18:24.40 | Eulex | sachink, have you tried running alsaconf, so it could try and detect it? |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | Gnea: stop abusing clubies ! :) |
| 18:24.50 | sachink | modprobe is not able to find that module |
| 18:24.51 | Dabian | Unuma678 : BitchX can be configured to use a proxy, but if you're in control of the "nat'er", I would advise installing the apropiate module into the kernel, or compiling the support in. |
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| 18:25.00 | sylvain | many thanks! and while we're at it, what's this "nautilus" thing that loads with gnome? |
| 18:25.01 | Gnea | abrotman: clubies? heh |
| 18:25.02 | Dabian | Gnea : Excuse me? |
| 18:25.02 | diana | How can I apt-get install the firefox 1.5rc3(I'm using sid) |
| 18:25.12 | abrotman | diana: do you *REALLY* want it ? |
| 18:25.26 | Unuma678 | Dabian: cause I have an external ROUTER, the debian isn't my router. |
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| 18:25.30 | Glen | blondie/abrotman: haha! Its dont, cheers thanks :D |
| 18:25.36 | diana | abrotman: yes |
| 18:25.40 | Gnea | Dabian: oh i'm sorry, did you fart? no need to use excessive punctuation or to tell someone how they must and mustn't use their web browser. |
| 18:25.44 | Glen | done* not dont lol |
| 18:25.46 | diana | abrotman: THat clearall hotkey is awesome. |
| 18:25.47 | netbrain1 | !tell netbrain about java-package |
| 18:25.48 | Eulex | abrotman, it works well, aside from a few bugs |
| 18:25.50 | wang | Gnea : thanks. |
| 18:25.51 | Dabian | abrotman : I am merely guessing here, but since she is asking, I would guess so. |
| 18:25.55 | abrotman | diana: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/mozilla-firefox .. it could break *lots* fo stuff |
| 18:25.58 | diana | It's rc3...how buggy could it be. |
| 18:26.07 | valdyn | wang: ok, this looks like a bug to me, starting new mozillas doesnt really start a new one but just opens a new window in the existing one ( thus no new profile needs to be picked ), starting a new composer however doesnt do that. IT just starts a new process, thats just broken ( imo ) |
| 18:26.19 | abrotman | Dabian: yes .. but not everyone understands what that means |
| 18:26.21 | Dabian | abrotman : Oh sorry .. didn't know about those. |
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| 18:26.33 | abrotman | diana: you know . that works well . until you consider windows :) |
| 18:26.35 | Quickimaster | hello |
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| 18:26.55 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | who would choose to be the master of the quickie ? |
| 18:27.06 | Daveman | o_O |
| 18:27.09 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 18:27.09 | Dabian | abrotman : You have any UPS? |
| 18:27.10 | sachink | Eulex, i dont have alsaconf installed, but i just need to modprobe the module, it is not able to find it in its path, where do i specify the path so that modprobe can find it |
| 18:27.14 | Gnea | rofl |
| 18:27.15 | Daveman | err, what'd I just walk in on? :P |
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| 18:27.29 | abrotman | blondie: yeah . i'm weird ... it's my substitute for the comma :) |
| 18:27.29 | Dabian | Gnea : What do you mean? |
| 18:27.32 | Gnea | Daveman: #debian |
| 18:27.39 | blondie | I see |
| 18:27.56 | Daveman | :P |
| 18:27.59 | wang | valdyn : well it worked with your method of clicking edit files, but If I have mozilla-browser opened and I go to applications/internet/mozilla-composer it prompts the profile menu, I can get used to just doing it through a browser window but figured before I change my own habbits I could find a quick resolve for the constant profile issue =) |
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| 18:28.06 | Eulex | sachink, what's the exact error? |
| 18:28.08 | abrotman | blondie: if you lastlog me .. it's quite obvious |
| 18:28.08 | Daveman | abrotman: all your ellipsis are belong to me! :D |
| 18:28.19 | paulswm | abrotman? weird? never! |
| 18:28.22 | Daveman | heh |
| 18:28.28 | diana | abrotman: Why could this break lots of stuff? |
| 18:28.32 | Quickimaster | how can i update debian totally? |
| 18:28.34 | blondie | ah yes |
| 18:28.37 | Daveman | nah, abrotman's cool |
| 18:28.42 | diana | abrotman: What are they going to do when 1.5 final is out soon? |
| 18:28.44 | sachink | Eulex, modprobe: Cant locate module snd-cs4236 |
| 18:28.48 | Gnea | Quickimaster: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | diana: stop calling it RC3 ? |
| 18:29.00 | Eulex | sachink, hmm |
| 18:29.00 | netbrain1 | is there any information regarding debian on laptops? (thinking about power saving issues and functions like closing the lid) |
| 18:29.12 | Gnea | !laptops |
| 18:29.13 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 18:29.15 | Dabian | !ups |
| 18:29.15 | dpkg | ups is, like, (Uninterruptible Power Supply) This is a device that contains a battery and some circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. or at http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/ups/. THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY, or apparently teh nu kewl speling of oops. |
| 18:29.17 | Quickimaster | thanx Gnea |
| 18:29.26 | diana | abrotman: Do you use it? |
| 18:29.29 | Gnea | np |
| 18:29.30 | Eulex | sachink, what kernel? |
| 18:29.33 | abrotman | diana: i use opera |
| 18:29.40 | Dabian | abrotman : What? |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | !tell Dabian about msg the bots |
| 18:29.49 | Dabian | abrotman : You use a proprietary browser? |
| 18:29.50 | wang | rofl, dpkg's definition of ups is great |
| 18:29.55 | wang | on many levels |
| 18:29.59 | sachink | Eulex, 2.4.26 i am using a knoppix based distro |
| 18:30.00 | gnomefreak | does anyone know what valknut is? |
| 18:30.15 | abrotman | Dabian: it's free .. beer .. not speech . i don't like FF |
| 18:30.16 | blondie | glue |
| 18:30.23 | netbrain1 | thanks |
| 18:30.24 | abrotman | Dabian: at least i don't use KDE |
| 18:30.28 | Eulex | sachink, whatever you've got != debain => we can't help you |
| 18:30.35 | Eulex | umh, debian |
| 18:30.44 | abrotman | !debain |
| 18:30.44 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 18:30.46 | sachink | oic, ok thx |
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| 18:31.09 | blondie | "oic" nyd |
| 18:31.19 | valdyn | netbrain1: look into the packages laptop-mode-tools ( powersaving ), acpid ( daemon that can react on acpi events, like closing the lid ), vbetool ( to control your display (, hibernate ( for various suspend methods ) |
| 18:31.20 | blondie | nud even |
| 18:31.20 | sachink | i will try the knoppix channel, i just liked this distro damnsmalllinux.org |
| 18:31.24 | jbmigel | ps2pdf doesnt seem to have any option for page size, It it cutting my 11x17 images to 8x11, argh! |
| 18:31.25 | Dabian | wang : I will attempt to improve it. |
| 18:31.25 | gnomefreak | debian= ian and his wife deb |
| 18:31.33 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 18:31.33 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 18:31.35 | abrotman | Dabian: i'm prefer OSS .. but if something is free and better .. i'll use it |
| 18:31.36 | sachink | it is based on knoppix, which i guess is based on debian |
| 18:31.46 | sachink | sure sure, sorry folks |
| 18:31.47 | blondie | abrotman: but FF is better than Opera :) |
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| 18:32.00 | diana | lol, the xchat program on knoppix doesn't let you join #debian...it forces you to join #knoppix |
| 18:32.00 | abrotman | blondie: i don't happen to agree |
| 18:32.05 | blondie | aww :( |
| 18:32.11 | sachink | thx for all the help |
| 18:32.13 | Gnea | heh |
| 18:32.14 | bbrazil | diana: nice |
| 18:32.16 | abrotman | blondie: i can use it .. but i really prefer opera |
| 18:32.17 | wang | lol |
| 18:32.17 | diana | yea |
| 18:32.18 | diana | lol |
| 18:32.28 | nvz | shit |
| 18:32.36 | blondie | opera's interface is just... annoying :\ |
| 18:32.39 | nvz | I didnt realize what I just did here. |
| 18:32.39 | Gnea | abrotman: man, opera sucks - you gotta pay for that shit ;) |
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| 18:32.45 | abrotman | blondie: i don't happen to agree |
| 18:32.49 | diana | Gnea: nah opera is free now. |
| 18:32.52 | diana | Gnea: free for all. |
| 18:32.52 | abrotman | Gnea: hrm .. no you don't |
| 18:32.56 | Gnea | oh it is? |
| 18:32.56 | Dabian | dpkg ups is also mgeups software for debian is at http://opensource.mgeups.com/index.htm |
| 18:32.57 | dpkg | Dabian: okay |
| 18:32.58 | blondie | abrotman: really? :P |
| 18:33.00 | gnomefreak | diana: if you can resister your nickname it should allow you to type /join debian |
| 18:33.01 | wang | i like opera for tabs, it's helpful while investigating logistics whilst job searching |
| 18:33.02 | gnomefreak | #* |
| 18:33.03 | valdyn | diana: quite an improvement from knoppix irc clients autojoining the same channel as they do by default in debian |
| 18:33.09 | aeronadix | knoppix is the live cd right? Which kernel does it use, where can you get it? |
| 18:33.11 | Gnea | diana: when did that happen? |
| 18:33.12 | nvz | I just installed etch from an old d-i beta 4 cd on this girls pc and fucked it all up with a massive slew of bugs |
| 18:33.14 | diana | gnomefreak: I am not registered and I can join #debian |
| 18:33.20 | wang | i'm a tab psycho tho, hense my konsole usage =( |
| 18:33.21 | nvz | I thought I was installing sarge :P |
| 18:33.22 | Eulex | diana, free beer, not speech, right? |
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| 18:33.27 | diana | Eulex: right |
| 18:33.28 | abrotman | nvz: doh! |
| 18:33.33 | gnomefreak | than they dont have it set to -r status |
| 18:33.36 | valdyn | aeronadix: you know google? |
| 18:33.37 | abrotman | nvz: try the beta1 for etch installer |
| 18:33.42 | diana | Gnea: like 2 months ago |
| 18:33.45 | nvz | abrotman: good thing her mom isnt comming to pick it up untill after 6 |
| 18:33.49 | bbrazil | wang: try screen with a status line |
| 18:33.53 | diana | Gnea: They realized they couldn't compete with a pay browser...heh |
| 18:33.57 | wang | status line? |
| 18:34.02 | gnomefreak | abrotman, etch is taking forever :( |
| 18:34.03 | Gnea | diana: rock on :) |
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| 18:34.11 | wang | i use screen already for different bitchx sessions, what do you mean session line? |
| 18:34.13 | abrotman | gnomefreak: taking forever for what ? |
| 18:34.17 | Dabian | Eulex : Personally, I prefer guiness some of the time. |
| 18:34.21 | aeronadix | valdyn: just felt like chatting, I don't really care though, I will associate with google if you insist over you |
| 18:34.24 | abrotman | gnomefreak: oh .. you're still upgrading :) |
| 18:34.26 | gnomefreak | upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 18:34.29 | bbrazil | wang: the bottom line of my display is '1 bash 2 irssi ...... matrix 18:34' |
| 18:34.33 | gnomefreak | lol yep |
| 18:34.42 | Dabian | Whats etch? |
| 18:34.42 | wang | bbrazil : ohhh that's neat |
| 18:34.43 | Dabian | !etch |
| 18:34.44 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 18:34.56 | gnomefreak | package 511 now with 4 hrs to go |
| 18:35.04 | thc | msg the fricken bot already |
| 18:35.05 | nvz | abrotman: I am gonna have to reinstall tasksel "desktop system" fails and so does anything else.. on dist-upgrade (I was thinking I was just using an old sarge at first) it says it will need to remove e2fsprogs for some conflicts/predepends loop |
| 18:35.07 | Dabian | Which figure is etch? |
| 18:35.09 | diana | Is debian.org not loading for anyone else? |
| 18:35.18 | thc | diana: it's down |
| 18:35.18 | Eulex | Dabian, etch-a-sketch |
| 18:35.18 | Dabian | diana www.nl.debian.org |
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| 18:35.23 | diana | thanks |
| 18:35.25 | Dabian | Eulex ? |
| 18:35.27 | gnomefreak | diana, it wasnt for me either |
| 18:35.28 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 18:35.28 | dpkg | e2fsprogs loop is probably you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:35.29 | linux_manju | can anyone tell me the diiference between portforwarding and dnat ing? |
| 18:35.32 | Dabian | diana : You are wellcome. :-) |
| 18:35.32 | diana | wow, first time I've ever seen it down. |
| 18:35.35 | diana | ddos attacks? |
| 18:35.43 | abrotman | stuff happens |
| 18:35.49 | nvz | abrotman: just got back from taking the brand new sarge netinstall I burned down to her mother at work and get my money |
| 18:35.56 | linux_manju | can anyone tell me the diiference between portforwarding and dnat ing? |
| 18:36.01 | bbrazil | wang: http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/tmp/screenrc |
| 18:36.07 | nvz | abrotman: I am jsut going to burn another I guess and resintall.. I definatly want a clean sarge install :P |
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| 18:36.12 | Dabian | linux_manju : No, but someone might. |
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| 18:36.16 | ndlong1 | hi |
| 18:36.20 | abrotman | linux_manju: ask #iptables |
| 18:36.29 | Gnea | !tell linux_manju about ask |
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| 18:36.39 | hebfftijd | exit |
| 18:36.41 | linux_manju | Dabian: thnx you have been helpfull |
| 18:36.42 | Dabian | !tell linux_manju about anyone |
| 18:36.51 | Gnea | Dabian: that's enough. |
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| 18:37.05 | Dabian | Gnea : Yeah. |
| 18:37.10 | thc | no shit dude, quit fucking with the bot already |
| 18:37.18 | Gnea | Dabian: please don't double-badger someone like that. |
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| 18:37.36 | Dabian | Gnea : Where are you from? |
| 18:37.38 | abrotman | !tell Gnea about sex |
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| 18:37.48 | Gnea | Dabian: pardon? what does that have to do with anything? |
| 18:37.50 | diana | abrotman: If I want 1.5rc3 do you recommend just getting the tarball from mozilla.org or get the testing deb?(I'm using sid) |
| 18:37.53 | linux_manju | Dabian: did i address you ? |
| 18:38.00 | Dabian | Gnea : My prejudice. |
| 18:38.11 | thc | idiot |
| 18:38.13 | Dabian | linux_manju : Yes. |
| 18:38.13 | nvz | abrotman: the one thing that is going to suck is if they want to do voice/cam/usericons and shit like AIM and all those do.. none of the messengers in debian seem to be up to speed :P I know this girl is gonna be using this to hide in her room and chat online :P |
| 18:38.19 | Gnea | Dabian: you are now on /ignore |
| 18:38.20 | abrotman | diana: i'd grab the deb |
| 18:38.20 | Eulex | diana, experimental deb |
| 18:38.24 | linux_manju | Dabian: if you dont know how to do that then you have very right to fc of |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | nvz: there is gaim .. and the AOL aim client |
| 18:38.45 | wang | bbrazil : neat, now how do you toggle to and fro |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | fc of ? |
| 18:38.48 | Dabian | Gnea : Thanks. |
| 18:38.55 | bbrazil | wang: as in? |
| 18:39.03 | Dabian | abrotman : I guess he was in lack of letters. |
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| 18:39.13 | Gnea | abrotman: i think he meant 'fuck off' :) |
| 18:39.13 | abrotman | linux_manju: ask #iptables |
| 18:39.21 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite Gnea |
| 18:39.22 | dpkg | Gnea: You're nothing but an a*us d*mning b*ob! |
| 18:39.22 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:39.26 | linux_manju | abrotman: thnx will do that |
| 18:39.26 | Gnea | rofl |
| 18:39.29 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I was gonna setup gaim or something and register her on freenode so she can get some help if she needs it.. but I dont think they really support the voice or cam protocols on any of the services, or the userpics like AOL and others use now |
| 18:39.30 | Dabian | Gnea : I got the same suspicion. |
| 18:39.42 | abrotman | nvz: voice for gaim is in beta iirc |
| 18:40.00 | nvz | abrotman: I never used AIM protocol, but I've looked at the Yahoo client for linux and it doesnt have most of the features of the normal client |
| 18:40.01 | wang | bbrazil : is this for toggling like tabs or just some labeling? |
| 18:40.02 | thc | he just said he put you on ignore. why the fuck would you keep addressing him? |
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| 18:40.15 | diana | There is an aol aim client for linux? |
| 18:40.16 | bbrazil | wang: that config is for labelling |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | diana: yes .. it's old |
| 18:40.22 | wang | diana: many |
| 18:40.29 | diana | I guess no one uses it? |
| 18:40.29 | abrotman | wang: no .. FROM aol ... |
| 18:40.31 | diana | I've never heard of it. |
| 18:40.32 | wang | ohhh |
| 18:40.33 | abrotman | diana: i do |
| 18:40.34 | Dabian | thc : Who are you? A random pot-smoker? |
| 18:40.34 | bbrazil | wang: toggle as usual - C-A a, and C-a <number> |
| 18:40.38 | diana | lol |
| 18:40.40 | thc | *plonk* |
| 18:40.43 | nvz | abrotman: afaik the one in sarge doesnt have any voice |
| 18:40.46 | thc | fucking douchebag |
| 18:40.46 | gnomefreak | yahoo client for linux sucks stick with gaim i have heard nothing but bad things about yahoo for linux |
| 18:40.46 | diana | abrotman: You are captain proprietary software today. |
| 18:40.54 | thc | i thought this channel might make it a few hours without being trolled |
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| 18:40.56 | aeronadix | oh man, I got knoppix dl'ing, its gonna be a couple of hours still, I am excited, can someone tell me things about it? |
| 18:40.57 | abrotman | Dabian: wow .. so the whole channel will have you on ignore |
| 18:41.09 | Dabian | thc : You have not been here for long. |
| 18:41.13 | abrotman | diana: why? .. it's a closed protocol .. i also use gaim for jabber |
| 18:41.28 | abrotman | err soon the whole channel |
| 18:41.35 | jbmigel | ok i can now convert from ps -> pdf at cli, now is it possible to convert from .xcf (gimp) to ps there also? |
| 18:41.35 | Dabian | abrotman : Soon, I will quit .. obviously I cannot produce any usefull question, and when I try to help people, I am bashed. |
| 18:41.41 | bbrazil | wang: you might also want to take a peek at irssi - it lets you connect to multiple servers from one instance |
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| 18:42.28 | wang | bbrazil : ah ok I will try it out, i've just been using bitchx for years hehe |
| 18:42.29 | nvz | gnomefreak: its had problems. I've seen font issues, crashes, and at least with their debian package configuration issues too. keeps running the first time config wizard even when config files are presen |
| 18:42.39 | wang | thank god that arrogant pseudo-intellectual prick is gone |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | aeronadix: wrong channel .. you want #knoppix |
| 18:43.00 | abrotman | wang: heh |
| 18:43.03 | nvz | wang: heh. no there are more |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | he did specify with 'that' |
| 18:43.18 | wang | lol |
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| 18:43.30 | bbrazil | wang: apparently there's configs to help people switch - I just find bitchx annoying (on several levels). obviously completely up to you |
| 18:43.31 | gnomefreak | nvz, if i chat on yahoo and it happens once or 2 times a year i stick with gaim its stable :) dorta |
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| 18:43.42 | wang | bbrazil : yah |
| 18:43.52 | niclas | which tool can i use to follow all links on a webpage and download all images? (leech tool...) |
| 18:43.59 | bbrazil | niclas: man wget |
| 18:44.02 | abrotman | niclas: wget |
| 18:44.07 | niclas | oh |
| 18:44.11 | niclas | *donk* |
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| 18:44.42 | niclas | will wget also work if the images all have the same filename? |
| 18:44.54 | bbrazil | niclas: ? |
| 18:44.55 | holycow | what do usb and floppy devices appear as under /dev? |
| 18:45.00 | abrotman | niclas: it should |
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| 18:45.08 | blondie | niclas: it'll rename them |
| 18:45.16 | abrotman | holycow: depends on your kernel .. floppy should be fd0 or floppy though |
| 18:45.18 | blondie | e.g. file.jpg.1 |
| 18:45.22 | niclas | the images are loaded through a php-script, so they virtually all have the same name |
| 18:45.32 | abrotman | blondie: different directories |
| 18:45.34 | niclas | ok, i'll try... |
| 18:45.38 | bbrazil | niclas: it has code to handle that |
| 18:45.38 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 18:45.40 | abrotman | nm .. ignore m |
| 18:45.42 | abrotman | me |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | and that's a piss poor PHP script that does that :) |
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| 18:46.03 | holycow | abrotman, thx, thought so, having some weird issues with foppy and usb drives |
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| 18:46.16 | wang | hmm i'm going to give irssi a chance |
| 18:46.18 | wang | brb |
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| 18:46.27 | Bent | dvs Flamethrower i finaly got x to work |
| 18:46.29 | abrotman | yay .. one less bitchx user |
| 18:46.34 | diana | abrotman: Where can I find http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/mozilla-firefox if debian.org is down? |
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| 18:46.39 | gnomefreak | hey |
| 18:46.43 | gnomefreak | i like bitchx |
| 18:46.47 | gnomefreak | ;) |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | diana: hrm .. let me see |
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| 18:47.03 | takatumi | gnomefreak: try irssi-text with elf theme. |
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| 18:47.21 | ndlong1 | hi |
| 18:47.34 | nvz | it would have been fine if I would have just edited the damn config before I finished base-config.. the cd was from before sarge released... I could have dist-upgraded if I would have changed the sources to 'sarge' from 'testing' |
| 18:47.35 | gnomefreak | there is a gui version of irssi? |
| 18:48.00 | takatumi | nvz: just get a daily biz card. |
| 18:48.01 | nvz | I thought the damn thing was installing "Desktop System" when I was gone, and it was sitting there with a bunch of errors |
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| 18:48.06 | abrotman | diana: which ARCH ? |
| 18:48.14 | diana | abrotman: i386 |
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| 18:48.22 | nvz | takatumi: I already downloaded and burned two copies of the new Sarge netinst |
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| 18:48.27 | bbrazil | gnomefreak: I believe such an abborition exists |
| 18:48.27 | abrotman | diana: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1_i386.deb |
| 18:48.34 | aeronadix | knoppix must take a while to boot |
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| 18:48.40 | abrotman | aeronadix: #knoppix |
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| 18:48.55 | diana | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:48.55 | Daveman | :) |
| 18:49.03 | nvz | takatumi: I always go with the base, because then you can always install a working system and piss with network from a real install instead of a read-only busybox toolchain |
| 18:49.25 | nvz | I gave one copy to them, so they would have something tangable and could use as a rescue disc |
| 18:49.27 | takatumi | nvz: works well either way. |
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| 18:50.09 | nvz | damn I could have bought other things while I was at the store.. I forgot I needed stuff |
| 18:50.19 | takatumi | abrotman: but she wanted experimental. |
| 18:50.23 | niclas | can wget handle referrer checks? i read about the referrer-option, but what if the referrer is checked dynamically? |
| 18:50.39 | abrotman | takatumi: that's what i gave her |
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| 18:50.47 | nvz | oh well since I have to still wait for it to fetch "desktop system" I can take another walk :P |
| 18:51.01 | foo | What program could I use if I wanted an automated voice to speak something? |
| 18:51.10 | nvz | foo: festival |
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| 18:51.26 | nvz | foo: echo "something" | festival --tts |
| 18:51.31 | nvz | if I recall correctly |
| 18:51.34 | beardy | yeah, festival is nice, 'date | festival --tts' for example |
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| 18:51.44 | takatumi | abrotman: ok. |
| 18:52.01 | abrotman | beardy: prints the date in tits mode ? |
| 18:52.21 | beardy | abrotman: Nope :) TextToSpeech |
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| 18:52.31 | nvz | takatumi: is there an alturnative? |
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| 18:52.50 | wang | hmm this looks pretty clean |
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| 18:52.51 | beardy | There are some others, but the best I've come across is festival. |
| 18:52.53 | takatumi | nvz: yet to find any. |
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| 18:53.13 | takatumi | !wangsmite wang |
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| 18:53.30 | wang | = |
| 18:53.30 | takatumi | wang: you should make a smite. ;) |
| 18:53.34 | abrotman | nvz: you saw your dad naked ? |
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| 18:53.40 | wang | how ? |
| 18:53.58 | nvz | abrotman: no that would be strange, considering he is at work |
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| 18:54.16 | nvz | abrotman: it would mean he streaks at work, and I can see through walls |
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| 18:54.26 | foo | nvz: hmm, that doesn't work. echo "something" | festival --tts |
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| 18:54.36 | takatumi | nvz: nude motion detector web cam? |
| 18:54.39 | nvz | !doesn't work |
| 18:54.39 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 18:54.58 | foo | server:/home/foo/Maildir# echo "something" | festival --tts |
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| 18:55.01 | foo | nvz: Just hangs. |
| 18:55.08 | oihsdfa | how do i find what package contains libldap4.0 when www.debian.org is down |
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| 18:55.12 | takatumi | foo: quickly check top. |
| 18:55.17 | bbrazil | oihsdfa: apt-file |
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| 18:55.23 | Greatred | foo, probably expecting stuff on stdin |
| 18:55.27 | oihsdfa | i don't have it installed yet. |
| 18:55.32 | nvz | foo: maybe its speaking, and you cant hear it |
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| 18:55.46 | nvz | Greatred: a pipe reads stdin and writes to stdout |
| 18:55.48 | sah_lee | takatumi: I am back |
| 18:55.51 | Vesper | hi |
| 18:55.51 | Greatred | indeed |
| 18:56.00 | Greatred | nvz, yes it does, which is the weird thing |
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| 18:56.21 | foo | nvz: nope. hmm |
| 18:56.23 | sah_lee | takatumi: I solved it! Its because of the RIVA graphic card's driver. |
| 18:56.32 | takatumi | sah_lee: good. |
| 18:56.35 | Greatred | i just ran festival --tts and wrote stuff into stdin, and it worked. so i guess the command you gave worked |
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| 18:57.09 | yxa | how do i know what the stock 2.4.27 kernel used for the modules for initrd? |
| 18:57.09 | foo | hmm |
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| 18:58.03 | Vesper | hell |
| 18:58.03 | Greatred | foo, i'd suggest checking your soundcard, volumes etc |
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| 18:58.13 | oihsdfa | why is www.debian.org down? |
| 18:58.14 | warreng | how do i get a list of installed packages? |
| 18:58.23 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 18:58.23 | sah_lee | takatumi: so this means that the official kernel image does not have this riva driver included, but the official config does. |
| 18:58.24 | foo | Greatred: I can play music with mplayer via CLI .. works fine. hmm |
| 18:58.29 | warreng | abrotman: ah thanks |
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| 18:58.32 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 18:58.32 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 18:58.37 | Greatred | :| |
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| 18:58.46 | abrotman | bah .. all the good factoids are going away :) |
| 18:58.54 | nvz | oihsdfa: use a mirror |
| 18:59.02 | nvz | oihsdfa: www.uk.debian.org or such |
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| 18:59.07 | oihsdfa | thanks |
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| 18:59.21 | yxa | or what modules does the stock 2.4.27 initrd image contains? |
| 18:59.24 | Anarchy | mirrors are no good for people.debian.org are they? |
| 18:59.25 | wang | irssi is kinda broke |
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| 18:59.35 | Gnea | yxa: take a look at it and see |
| 18:59.35 | yxa | any knows? or how to find out? |
| 18:59.35 | gnomefreak | is there a way to stop the screensaver for locking me out? i dont wanna have to type password everytime screensaver kicks on |
| 18:59.39 | bbrazil | wang: as in? |
| 18:59.43 | yxa | Gnea how? |
| 18:59.44 | nvz | oihsdfa: its got mirrors in 18 different countries |
| 19:00.13 | Eulex | gnomefreak, take a look at the xscreensaver properties |
| 19:00.13 | oihsdfa | will they allow searching of package contents? |
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| 19:00.37 | takatumi | oihsdfa: why don't you tell us? |
| 19:00.50 | Gnea | !tell yxa about initrd |
| 19:00.53 | wang | bbrazil: just froze on me no big deal. what's the syntax in /connect that pre-specifies nickname and server? |
| 19:01.00 | Gnea | yxa: there's a url there. read it. :) |
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| 19:01.14 | stew | yxa: /msg dpkg config-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:01.46 | aeronadix | is there two versions of gnome, like the one on gnoppix is different gnome from regular gnome? |
| 19:01.48 | wang | bbrazil: and does irssi usually echo something when you set automatic messaging parameters and variables or is it silent? |
| 19:01.55 | bbrazil | wang: don't think there's direct per-server nick support. /connect servername should do it |
| 19:01.56 | sah_lee | takatumi: any way, i gotta go to bed now. its 3 o clock in the night... |
| 19:01.57 | takatumi | wang: http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO |
| 19:02.04 | oihsdfa | because the redirect from packages.debian.org is broken |
| 19:02.06 | takatumi | sah_lee: enjoy. |
| 19:02.08 | oihsdfa | the answer is yes, though |
| 19:02.12 | sah_lee | takatumi: see you. |
| 19:02.15 | bbrazil | wang: it should tell you - possibly in window 1 |
| 19:02.18 | nvz | oihsdfa: /packages |
| 19:02.23 | wang | bbrazil: yeah this other network is killing me for irssi using my login name on this box hehe |
| 19:02.29 | sah_lee | takatumi: really thank you for your help! |
| 19:02.38 | Eulex | aeronadix, this is #debian, not #gnoppix |
| 19:02.49 | wang | takatumi: yeah i'm there now just trying to get reconnected real quick *duck* |
| 19:02.52 | abrotman | !d-i aeronadix |
| 19:02.53 | dpkg | aeronadix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:03.01 | aeronadix | sorry |
| 19:03.02 | valdyn | gnomefreak: run xscreensaver-demo, or just pick Screensaver |
| 19:03.12 | valdyn | gnomefreak: ...Preferences in your menu |
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| 19:03.24 | r3tex | what sets $LANG in debian? |
| 19:03.35 | bbrazil | wang: is that some nickserv with an immediate kill? |
| 19:03.47 | yxa | Gnea thanks |
| 19:03.48 | Eulex | r3tex, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:04.05 | wang | bbrazil: yeah my login on this box is mike, and irssi is using mike as my nick on another network which has that nickname autokilled or frozen or something lol |
| 19:04.29 | valdyn | aeronadix: no |
| 19:04.33 | wang | bbrazil: so when i do /connect irc.othernetwork.net it connects using mike and then kils me, and since i am not connected I can't change the nick lol |
| 19:04.44 | wang | kind of like a catch 22 |
| 19:04.48 | bbrazil | wang: hmm - there is a default nick option, change that and try connecting |
| 19:04.54 | wang | ah ok |
| 19:05.00 | Gnea | yxa: you're welcome |
| 19:05.01 | aeronadix | !d-i |
| 19:05.01 | dpkg | d-i is probably at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:05.07 | bbrazil | wang: /set nick blah |
| 19:05.13 | r3tex | Eulex: i have reconfigured it but it doesn't change my env-variables =( |
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| 19:05.21 | bucky | haha... Mark Shuttleworth went to the UN World Summit with RMS and RMS wrapped his RFID security name tag with aluminum foil and passed the roll of aluminum foil around to the rest of the attendees |
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| 19:05.37 | gnomefreak | ty Eulex and valdyn |
| 19:06.20 | Eulex | r3tex, re-login |
| 19:06.21 | abrotman | bucky: stop reading slashdot :) |
| 19:06.35 | bucky | why? it's the truth! |
| 19:06.36 | r3tex | Eulex: doh |
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| 19:06.44 | abrotman | bucky: and it was perens .. not shuttleworth :) |
| 19:06.48 | holycow | sda1 would be a usb device, correct? |
| 19:07.06 | bbrazil | bucky: no, its slashdot |
| 19:07.07 | bucky | abrotman: not according to perens http://perens.sourcelabs.com/ |
| 19:07.13 | Eulex | holycow, not necesarilly |
| 19:07.20 | holycow | k |
| 19:07.26 | wang | hmm the server connection windows are all blended together i see |
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| 19:07.40 | procrastinator | bucky: Well, it was both of them |
| 19:07.44 | Eulex | holycow, but it could be |
| 19:07.47 | bucky | abrotman: Shuttleworth was there |
| 19:07.55 | bbrazil | wang: I think you can seperate them out, but there's no real need |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | bucky: oh .. i thought you meant the one telling the story :) |
| 19:08.14 | abrotman | !perens |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | hrm |
| 19:08.24 | bucky | i know who perens is |
| 19:08.24 | gnomefreak | is there a safe screensaver site? |
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| 19:08.31 | r3tex | is the gtk-themes-switch in debian able to handle gtk2 themes? |
| 19:08.33 | wang | bbrazil: is there anything useful in the irssi-scripts package? |
| 19:08.53 | bbrazil | wang: couldn't tell you. I'm on solaris where the perl support doesn't work |
| 19:08.57 | bucky | now the UN thinks linux is run by lunatics |
| 19:09.11 | aeronadix | whats the latest debian kernel and verson, I know sid is now stable |
| 19:09.17 | foo | I have setup squirrelmail with courier on my server... and I would expect to see local mail when I login but I don't. Anyone have an explanation for this? |
| 19:09.20 | wang | ahh ok |
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| 19:09.33 | abrotman | aeronadix: sid is not stable .. nor will it ever be |
| 19:09.35 | abrotman | !d-i aeronadix |
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| 19:09.36 | dpkg | aeronadix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:09.37 | bucky | aeronadix: how do you know that sid is stable? |
| 19:09.45 | abrotman | !sid |
| 19:09.45 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:09.57 | warreng | is there a good way to install ruby on rails in sarge? ubuntu has packages for ruby/rails that installs it |
| 19:09.57 | bbrazil | wang: I find the native irssi stuff to be sufficent for my needs - expecting auto-identify with services |
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| 19:10.18 | cparker | I'm having a network problem with my Debian server.... I cannot make certain kinds of outgoing connections. |
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| 19:10.35 | Arsion | why will sid never be released? |
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| 19:10.42 | aeronadix | sorry sarge is stable. I have debian installed. I just have to windows a lot cause of some apps for school. I use wine one of those apps, but another wont run as great |
| 19:10.48 | Gnea | Arsion: it's unstable. |
| 19:10.51 | aeronadix | !id |
| 19:10.51 | dpkg | from memory, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 19:10.55 | aeronadix | !sid |
| 19:10.55 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:10.58 | Arsion | Gnea: cant be fixed huh? |
| 19:11.02 | bucky | aeronadix: i think your question might be more along the lines of "how do i upgrade my kerenel to a version higher than available in sarge?" |
| 19:11.06 | Gnea | Arsion: it's unstable for a reason. |
| 19:11.06 | gnomefreak | sid =still in development |
| 19:11.41 | cparker | I was wondering if someone could shed some light on why i cannot make these connections. |
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| 19:12.00 | cparker | gnomefreak: That is incorrect. "Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story." |
| 19:12.06 | Gnea | Arsion: you don't release untreated water to public sinks and restrooms - much like sid isn't released to the public - it has to go through a sanitation process: testing and finally stable, with experimental to help out |
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| 19:12.09 | wang | hey you know what this is nice bbrazil |
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| 19:12.17 | gnomefreak | i just dont understand why they dont go in fix it and releace it |
| 19:12.25 | Greatred | lol |
| 19:12.27 | wang | it's sort of annoying in very active channels like debian because of the time stamping and extra fluff but it's nice |
| 19:12.33 | gnomefreak | cparker, i saw that thats what i was told sid stood for |
| 19:12.39 | fatal_ | cparker: with your detailed description about the problem an answer could only be as detailed as "probably because something is broken or misconfigured". |
| 19:12.41 | Gnea | gnomefreak: that's why sid *Exists* |
| 19:12.53 | Gnea | gnomefreak: it's a base for fixing the problems |
| 19:12.54 | aeronadix | bucky, when I install sarge, I immediately upgrade to 2.6. Is there a 2.8? Cause I could not install the wireless driver on 2.6 |
| 19:13.05 | cparker | Okay, well.... for instance, when I try to make an outgoing connection with naim, the connection times out. |
| 19:13.07 | bucky | hmm.. |
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| 19:13.13 | Greatred | gnomefreak, sid is there to do testing of a sort, before it's considered "stable" enough for the "testing" branch |
| 19:13.14 | wakaspepas | wenas |
| 19:13.15 | gnomefreak | Gnea, thats a good reason |
| 19:13.21 | cparker | If I try to make an outgoing connection with irssi, the connection times out. |
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| 19:13.32 | bbrazil | wang: you can ignore things like joins and parts on a per-channel basis |
| 19:13.41 | gnomefreak | testing is somewhat stable? |
| 19:13.44 | cparker | I can browse the web with Lynx, and I can use apt-get and wget without any problems, though... |
| 19:13.49 | Greatred | basically "unstable" is gonna break things, regularly. testing is when they've weeded out most of the obviously bad stuff |
| 19:13.56 | bucky | aeronadix: which wireless driver do you need? |
| 19:13.58 | Arsion | aeronadix: if you are having wireless driver problems, your best bet might be ndiswrapper |
| 19:13.59 | takatumi | aeronadix: 2.8 what? |
| 19:14.14 | gnomefreak | no kernel 2.8 yet |
| 19:14.14 | Gnea | gnomefreak: when testing is mostly stablized, they 'freeze' it (no new packages may be accepted) and final bugfixes are applied, when that phase is over, a new stable release is made and the current stable becomes the oldstable - still available but not actively maintained anymore |
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| 19:14.22 | Greatred | testing is a good branch to be running if you wanna live closer to the bleeding edge |
| 19:14.31 | thc | Greatred: testing can be just as broken if not more broken than unstable. |
| 19:14.33 | Greatred | it doesn't break nearly as often as unstable |
| 19:14.35 | aeronadix | bucky, hmm, I can't remember what it is called right now. I tried a while ago. It is thinkpad r51 laptop |
| 19:14.37 | Greatred | it can? oh :( |
| 19:14.50 | abrotman | Greatred: it's totally a mess right now |
| 19:14.51 | war92 | http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ <- Does anyone know if there is a Debian Repostiory for the RT TICKETING system? |
| 19:14.55 | bucky | debian.org is down :( |
| 19:14.55 | aeronadix | takatumi: is there a 2.8 kernel? |
| 19:14.59 | gnomefreak | did they freeze etch or plan to in near future? |
| 19:15.02 | abrotman | bucky: www.nl.debian.org |
| 19:15.06 | Gnea | bucky: www.us.debian.org |
| 19:15.07 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 19:15.07 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
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| 19:15.11 | takatumi | aeronadix: no, visit kernel.org |
| 19:15.12 | wang | bbrazil: yah i'll go through t his documentation and find all the tricks |
| 19:15.12 | wang | bbrazil: thank you very much! |
| 19:15.14 | bbrazil | war92: its in sarge |
| 19:15.19 | cparker | Hmm... so, any idea? |
| 19:15.21 | bbrazil | wang: no problem |
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| 19:15.27 | war92 | bbrazil: ah but what version |
| 19:15.30 | aeronadix | bucky, don't you use apt-get? why do you need debian.org? |
| 19:15.41 | war92 | ah 3.4 |
| 19:15.47 | bbrazil | war92: something pretty up to date |
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| 19:16.00 | crosvera | hey heloo! |
| 19:16.02 | bucky | aeronadix: i was looking to see which linux-images were available |
| 19:16.04 | crosvera | hello |
| 19:16.09 | thc | what does using apt-get have to do with debian.org being down |
| 19:16.11 | bbrazil | war92: I have newer packages that'll do rtfm properly if you want them |
| 19:16.17 | abrotman | bucky: apt-cache search linux-image !! |
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| 19:16.29 | nicoal | how can one help the debian project with basic programming experience? |
| 19:16.34 | bucky | abrotman: i don't run sarge |
| 19:16.39 | omry__ | hi, trying to build a kernel modle for something. the make file says "/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/build" is missing. am I missing some package? |
| 19:16.46 | aeronadix | nicoal, money |
| 19:16.46 | Arsion | dang! etch bet doesnt work |
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| 19:16.56 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 19:17.00 | abrotman | !etch pool |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | !etch pool 1 |
| 19:17.03 | nicoal | aeronadix, let one be defined as a student.. heh |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | well .. it used to |
| 19:17.11 | Arsion | it didnt respond to me when i typed etch bet |
| 19:17.21 | Gnea | abrotman: maybe it dried up |
| 19:17.27 | cparker | My problem: I *CANNOT* make outgoing connections such as AIM (with naim) or IRC (with irssi). The connection times out. I *CAN*, however, use wget, apt-get, and lynx without any problems... What could be causing this problem? How can I find out? |
| 19:17.30 | Arsion | etch pool gives a response of typing etch bet to find out how to bet |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | i placed my bet damn it |
| 19:17.43 | bbrazil | cparker: tcptraceroute, I suspect a firewall |
| 19:17.46 | aeronadix | nicoal, I would like to help too, but these guys are students, they are pros, stay out of their way, watch and learn, and fetch them some coffee |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | oh .. no . dpkg just died |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:17.49 | Gnea | cparker: netstat-nat |
| 19:17.50 | takatumi | omry__: which module? |
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| 19:17.59 | abrotman | let's see if he catches up |
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| 19:18.09 | nicoal | aeronadix, ah.. that's easy |
| 19:18.14 | Arsion | ack, i think i broke dpkg lol. he stopped responding after i whispered him etch bet |
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| 19:18.23 | abrotman | oh ffs .. www.debian.org is gone.. dpkg is dead ... |
| 19:18.24 | bucky | aeronadix: figure out which wireless driver you need and try 'module-assistant auto-install <driver-package-name>' |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | just wait .. google will implode |
| 19:18.35 | takatumi | abrotman: implosion. |
| 19:18.36 | cparker | great, thanks bbrazil and Gnea :) |
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| 19:18.41 | omry__ | takatumi, sn9c102, its a webcam driver. |
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| 19:18.49 | bbrazil | abrotman: as long as the hurd isn't released we should be okay :) |
| 19:18.50 | Greatred | abrotman, can't you use a mirror? |
| 19:18.57 | abrotman | Greatred: mirror of dpkg ? |
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| 19:19.07 | Greatred | abrotman, yes, i guess so |
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| 19:19.15 | Arsion | can anyone give me a suggestion of a whm thats free but has most of the same features as cpanel? |
| 19:19.16 | takatumi | omry__: building against headers or source? |
| 19:19.18 | moohhh | Hello. I'd like to switch to Evolution as the mail-client, and am thinking about installing a local IMAP server to host the mails. Any recommendations on such a setup (good/bad idea, which SW, etc)? |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | Greatred: yeah ... sussudio has badgers .. but dpkg knows more than the other bots in here |
| 19:19.42 | takatumi | moohhh: mutt |
| 19:19.46 | cqst | got a problem with mplayerplug-in and opera : plugin is deteced but doesnt work, when I launch "opera -debugplugin" it says "Warning: XtRemoveGrab asked to remove a widget not on the list" any idea ? |
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| 19:19.49 | bbrazil | abrotman: random thought - dpkg does searches of debian packages, if its relying on d.o it could be stuck waiting |
| 19:19.52 | aeronadix | bucky, yeah that was the one I used but it didn't work, thanks for the info cause it took some research for me to find that info. That was what I tried but it would load. I think I need to actual compile the driver with the kernel, instead of trying to build and load a module |
| 19:20.05 | abrotman | bbrazil: nah .. he's been wicked unstable the last few days |
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| 19:20.08 | Greatred | abrotman, ahh, the bot :) |
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| 19:20.17 | omry__ | takatumi, actually, maybe thats what I am missing. its a fresh system with a stock kernel, I didn't build any module on it yet. |
| 19:20.22 | takatumi | sussudio: badgers. |
| 19:20.24 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 19:20.27 | cparker | Gnea: netstat-nat comes up empty |
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| 19:20.31 | bucky | aeronadix: you still haven't told me which wireless driver you require.. so we're really working in psychic mode here |
| 19:20.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: looks like dpkg is on vacation again |
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| 19:20.43 | takatumi | omry__: install the appropriate kernel-headers |
| 19:20.45 | moohhh | takatumi, :). I've been using Sylpheed for quite a while now, but would like to have the luxury of a calendar and stuff. With "recommended SW" I actually meant the server-side of things... |
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| 19:20.55 | Gnea | cparker: then you didn't do something right - are you using masquerading or snat? |
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| 19:21.11 | cparker | My machine has a static IP address.. |
| 19:21.12 | yxa | i created a custom kernel using make-kpkg, and initrd, but when i boot to the new kernel, it says it cant find /lib/modules/2.4.32/modules.dep i checked and the file is there |
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| 19:21.21 | Gnea | cparker: then use snat. are you using snat? |
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| 19:21.51 | Gnea | well i could've sworn you mentioned earlier you were trying to connect from behind the machine.. |
| 19:21.55 | Gnea | unless i read wrong |
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| 19:22.10 | cparker | I have a VDS that my Web host initially set up for me. I can SSH in and work on it. |
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| 19:22.19 | omry__ | takatu, looks much better, thanks. |
| 19:22.20 | takatumi | yxa: try depmod. |
| 19:22.25 | Gnea | a VDS? |
| 19:22.28 | Arsion | can anyone give me a suggestion of a whm thats free but has most of the same features as cpanel? |
| 19:22.29 | cparker | Yes. |
| 19:22.29 | Gyuszk | rere |
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| 19:22.40 | omry__ | takatumi, looks much better, thanks. |
| 19:22.40 | takatumi | !qotd 113 |
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| 19:22.47 | abrotman | !qotd113 |
| 19:22.50 | bbrazil | cparker: lots of webhosts block irc |
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| 19:22.54 | Jmax | hello, i receive the following error when apt-get install mysql-server http://pastebin.ca/29316 |
| 19:22.55 | cparker | VDS: Virtual Dedicated Server |
| 19:22.57 | abrotman | takatumi: dpkg is napping |
| 19:22.57 | takatumi | omry__: that qotd was for you. :) |
| 19:23.01 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 19:23.12 | stew | http://dpkg.vireo.org/qotd113 |
| 19:23.14 | takatumi | abrotman: I know, summoned badgers, MIA. |
| 19:23.16 | yxa | takatumi depmod on a working kernel? |
| 19:23.17 | Gnea | cparker: so is that on a remote host or the same system? |
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| 19:23.26 | abrotman | takatumi: i think sussudio has been afk |
| 19:23.40 | cparker | I talked to my Web host's SYSADMIN, and he said I shouldn't be having any problems, that he doesn't know what's going on. |
| 19:23.41 | omry__ | takatumi, qotd? quote of the day? |
| 19:23.46 | bucky | Jmax: which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:23.47 | cparker | It's at a remote location. |
| 19:23.54 | Gnea | ok |
| 19:24.03 | Gnea | then your hosts sysadmin is an idiot |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | stew: i likeit |
| 19:24.06 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:24.23 | Jmax | bucky: sarge, i believe |
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| 19:24.27 | stew | abrotman: it's updated nightly |
| 19:24.31 | takatumi | omry__: stew's URL. |
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| 19:24.36 | bucky | Jmax: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 say? |
| 19:24.48 | Gnea | cparker: ok, i'm trying to figure out how that system has anything to do with what you're trying to do with irc or aim - are you trying to connect to irc from that system? |
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| 19:24.59 | cparker | yes. |
| 19:25.04 | Jmax | adultsins:/etc# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
| 19:25.04 | Jmax | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 19:25.04 | Jmax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.34 | bbrazil | cparker: can you traceroute the irc server? |
| 19:25.40 | Gnea | cparker: ok, then you need to come up with a detailed analysis of how irc and naim are working and present it to your sysadmin so that s/he can properly diagnose it |
| 19:25.43 | cparker | i'm mainly concerned with AIM... I've written my own AIM bot, tested it on a local system.... and now I want to host it on my server (which is the remote VDS). |
| 19:25.45 | Gyuszk | re |
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| 19:25.56 | Silent_al | what is the latest version of firefox for debian etch |
| 19:25.58 | Gnea | aim bot? |
| 19:25.59 | Silent_al | ? |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | btw .. i love qotd155 :) |
| 19:26.13 | bucky | hmm... i don't know how they hosed that up.. that's the oldest error in mysql history |
| 19:26.23 | Gnea | cparker: are you trying to get shot? |
| 19:26.25 | Eulex | Silent_al, apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox |
| 19:26.32 | cparker | Excuse me? |
| 19:26.36 | gnomefreak | im thinking ff is 1.0.7 latest version |
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| 19:26.44 | Gnea | why would you run a bot on aim? |
| 19:26.44 | takatumi | abrotman: heh |
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| 19:26.51 | cparker | Because |
| 19:26.51 | omry__ | takatumi, I did use tab. but I managed to delete the last two chars :), I actually thought I sent it to someone else. |
| 19:26.54 | Jmax | bucky: :( |
| 19:26.54 | Silent_al | Eulex , got it , thanx |
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| 19:27.11 | bbrazil | abrotman: that guy was weird alright |
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| 19:27.13 | takatumi | omry__: enjoy. |
| 19:27.22 | cparker | Why wouldn't I? |
| 19:27.25 | Gnea | 'because' is not good enough. you will receive no further help until a detailed explanation is provided. |
| 19:27.27 | Jmax | bucky: OH |
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| 19:27.36 | cparker | That's my business. |
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| 19:27.45 | Gnea | then that's your tough luck. |
| 19:27.46 | Jmax | bucky: http://pastebin.ca/29318 |
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| 19:28.06 | liq | ls |
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| 19:28.13 | cparker | What does the purpose of my AIM bot have to do with diagnosing my connection problem? |
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| 19:28.24 | abrotman | cparker: we don't help people spam other people |
| 19:28.26 | ulme | anybody has a working xnview on sarge? |
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| 19:28.34 | cparker | That's retarded. |
| 19:28.39 | liq | ls |
| 19:28.39 | liq | w |
| 19:28.40 | cparker | You assume I'm spamming people. |
| 19:28.49 | Gnea | cparker: well since you won't say anything, it's obvious now that your bot is to be used for negative purposes. |
| 19:28.58 | ulme | i alian'ed the rpm, then it asked for libstdc++6, installed that, now says |
| 19:28.58 | r3tex | is packages.debian.org going really slow now? |
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| 19:29.09 | Gnea | well, you wouldn't say what it's about, so yes. |
| 19:29.10 | Jmax | bucky: any thoughts? |
| 19:29.10 | ulme | xnview: relocation error: xnview: symbol __strncpy_chk, version GLIBC_2.3.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 19:29.11 | liq | exit |
| 19:29.18 | takatumi | ulme: stay away from alien. |
| 19:29.18 | bucky | Jmax: if you insist on building mysql from a tarball instead of just apt-getting it you will have to go to mysql.com and read the docs on how mysql handles it's sock and pid files |
| 19:29.20 | cparker | If you absolutely must know, I'm hosting a Web site for an organization, and they want an AIM bot that people can communicate with for an FAQ type of thing. |
| 19:29.24 | Arsion | debian.org has dropped right now i think |
| 19:29.27 | Gnea | why should i help someone fuck shit up unknowingly? |
| 19:29.27 | Arsion | !dpkg hi |
| 19:29.29 | cparker | NOT like it's any of your business, though.... |
| 19:29.32 | Jmax | bucky: i'd prefer to use apt |
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| 19:29.45 | Gnea | cparker: that's cool, that's all you had to say. |
| 19:29.46 | bbrazil | Arsion: we know. www.nl.debian.org |
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| 19:30.11 | Jmax | spammers :\ |
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| 19:30.32 | bucky | Jmax: apt-cache search mysql choose one and apt-get it |
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| 19:30.39 | takatumi | /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 19:30.45 | Jmax | bucky: i did, but it won't start because of that error |
| 19:30.48 | abrotman | takatumi: NO |
| 19:30.59 | Arsion | bbrazil: was repliing to r3tex's question about packages.debian.org going slow |
| 19:31.04 | takatumi | abrotman: the other way around eh? |
| 19:31.06 | bbrazil | Arsion: ah right |
| 19:31.10 | Gnea | cparker: it becomes my business, and the business of #debian when you use the software in questionable methods. so i questioned it. |
| 19:31.24 | Gnea | cparker: now please, calm down :) |
| 19:31.28 | r3tex | Arsion: does packages.debian.org have mirrors? |
| 19:31.29 | cparker | I didn't realize that running AIM bots was questionable. |
| 19:31.36 | cparker | But if you insist... :) |
| 19:31.36 | r3tex | Arsion: i mean that browsing system |
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| 19:31.47 | Gnea | running any BOT is questionable :) |
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| 19:31.55 | spatulasnout | hi, i have two debian systems (woody) that i thought were nearly identical, but on one of them, when trying to upgrade some packages, i'm getting the following error: |
| 19:31.56 | spatulasnout | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | cparker: AIM has spam bots too ... |
| 19:32.01 | Arsion | r3tex: should be plenty of mirrors out there, i just dont know their addy's |
| 19:32.05 | nvz | ~person |
| 19:32.06 | apt | person is, like, like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 19:32.09 | cparker | :-P |
| 19:32.12 | abrotman | cparker: we question it because it's questionable :) |
| 19:32.23 | abrotman | !captain obviousl me |
| 19:32.30 | Gnea | cparker: yeah, just go into any aim chatroom, the bots are used mostly by teenage camwhores |
| 19:32.32 | bucky | Jmax: did you start it with /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
| 19:32.32 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
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| 19:32.46 | Jmax | bucky: yes, and i get |
| 19:32.47 | Jmax | /etc/init.d/mysql: line 188: cd: /usr/local/mysql: No such file or directory |
| 19:32.47 | Jmax | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.50 | cparker | Ahh.... didn't realize that. My apologies. |
| 19:32.50 | mne | hi there ! I just read a post that debian's gaim package does not include perl plugin support anymore. is this still the case ? is anyone aware of a gaim perl plugin that enables gaim's perl support ? |
| 19:32.55 | gnomefreak | cparker, stay out of forties love on aim :( |
| 19:33.03 | cparker | LMAO |
| 19:33.05 | blondie | o.o |
| 19:33.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:33.13 | gnomefreak | booting bombing and fighting |
| 19:33.32 | bucky | Jmax: i don't get it because debian doesn't put anything in /usr/local |
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| 19:33.45 | Gnea | abrotman: i'm not |
| 19:33.47 | Jmax | bucky: oh, perhaps the admin before messed this up? |
| 19:33.50 | abrotman | then how do you iknow ? |
| 19:33.52 | Gnea | i was making an observation |
| 19:33.59 | abrotman | so you've been in the chat rooms?! |
| 19:34.00 | Gnea | cuz i went into some aim chatrooms before :P |
| 19:34.07 | gnomefreak | my g/f just told me what is going on in there |
| 19:34.07 | bucky | Jmax: looks that way |
| 19:34.07 | Gnea | and was immediately bombarded |
| 19:34.15 | Gnea | abrotman: who hasn't? :) |
| 19:34.18 | Jmax | bucky: i'm trying to clean up his mess. i installed a perfectly working deb LAMP in 20 minutes. he took over, and blew everything to hell :\ |
| 19:34.20 | spatulasnout | anyone have any experience with this e2fsprogs, Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop, APT::Force-LoopBreak error? |
| 19:34.20 | cparker | Ah. See, there's a databse with a Web interface already, and I was requested to expose parts of the database to an array of bots, including AIM, Yahoo!, and IRC... but I want to get the AIM one up first, hence my problem. |
| 19:34.22 | abrotman | Gnea: me |
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| 19:34.33 | bucky | jmax sorry to hear |
| 19:34.40 | abrotman | @tell spatulasnout about e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:34.44 | Jmax | bucky: yeah, incomptent admins are the worst :S |
| 19:34.45 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 19:34.46 | mne | 7j #gaim |
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| 19:34.52 | takatumi | Gnea: by camwhore bots? |
| 19:34.58 | Arsion | ok....wth does ffs mean?? |
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| 19:35.04 | abrotman | spatulasnout: <dpkg> e2fsprogs loop is probably you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-up |
| 19:35.05 | abrotman | grade |
| 19:35.10 | Gnea | abrotman: fuck dude, the software is apt-get'able, it's kinda nice when you know what sort of capabilities it has ;) |
| 19:35.10 | takatumi | ~ffs |
| 19:35.12 | apt | well, ffs is for f**k's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 19:35.22 | abrotman | Gnea: to run a chat room ? |
| 19:35.24 | Arsion | ah |
| 19:35.27 | gnomefreak | for f*cks sake=ffs |
| 19:35.29 | bucky | Jmax: i'd try to apt-get remove --purge mysql-server and then install it again |
| 19:35.36 | spatulasnout | abrotman: interesting - thx ! |
| 19:35.51 | Gnea | takatumi: yeah |
| 19:35.55 | yxa | takatumi depmod -a 2.4.32 is giving me lotsa of unresolved symbols |
| 19:35.55 | amphi | why is apt_ bowdlerised? |
| 19:36.02 | blondie | what? |
| 19:36.04 | Gnea | they message you with "hi" and wait for a response |
| 19:36.04 | abrotman | hrm .. watch the rest of 'The Hunted' ... or race cars ... |
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| 19:36.42 | Arsion | can anyone give me a suggestion of a whm thats free but has most of the same features as cpanel? |
| 19:36.43 | gnomefreak | after upgrading to etch will i still have X start or will i have to manully start it or any other configuring i have to do before i can use it? |
| 19:36.47 | takatumi | yxa: I would just run a 2.6 kernel, YMMV. |
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| 19:36.51 | Gnea | usually with a response they come back with "hey! visit my website! http://www.camwhoresluts.com/brittney420 to see me strip live!" or some such crap |
| 19:37.05 | cparker | So, do you suggest I run a tcptraceroute on this machine? |
| 19:37.13 | takatumi | gnomefreak: installed gdm? |
| 19:37.21 | bbrazil | cparker: yes |
| 19:37.42 | Arsion | abrotman: you were right. Gnea even memorized one of the sites... lol |
| 19:37.44 | ulme | so nobody never got xnview working on sarge? |
| 19:37.51 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 19:38.01 | plazm | hi, i have problems compiling a new kernel, cant remember the error, but which things should i remember to add ? |
| 19:38.04 | gnomefreak | how do you invite to a room? |
| 19:38.08 | Gnea | Arsion: i just pulled it out of thin air, i don't even know if it exists :) |
| 19:38.16 | Arsion | Gnea: lol |
| 19:38.18 | Gnea | gnomefreak: /invite |
| 19:38.21 | bbrazil | hmm, apt_ doesn't work in pm |
| 19:38.21 | nvz | gnomefreak: say, hey would you like to get a room? |
| 19:38.25 | blondie | !room |
| 19:38.26 | nvz | ~room |
| 19:38.27 | apt | CHANNEL! |
| 19:38.31 | blondie | bah |
| 19:38.49 | Gnea | Arsion: and it doesn't, even better ;) |
| 19:38.56 | gnomefreak | ofcourse i do :( |
| 19:38.57 | Arsion | Gnea: lmao |
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| 19:39.22 | takatumi | rotfflmaoomg! |
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| 19:39.29 | Arsion | bah! google sucks for whm searching |
| 19:39.44 | gnomefreak | it told me i had to be op to invite :( |
| 19:39.57 | takatumi | Arsion: there was one I briefly read about, can't recollect. |
| 19:40.12 | Gnea | i'm glad someone finds it hilarious :) |
| 19:40.34 | ulme | now tried the non-rpm version, still the same |
| 19:40.46 | Arsion | takatumi: trying to find a free one thats close to cpanel. aint about to pay thousands of $$$ for cpanel w/o the guarentee of making it back |
| 19:41.02 | gnomefreak | hi buttons ;) |
| 19:41.08 | Buttons | hi gnome |
| 19:41.10 | blondie | Arsion: you have cubic dollars? |
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| 19:41.52 | gnomefreak | blondie, what is a cubic dollar and how do i get a few million of them :( |
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| 19:42.13 | blondie | a cubic dollar: $$$1 |
| 19:42.25 | Eulex | gnomefreak, you'd just need a few thousand of them ;P |
| 19:42.40 | gnomefreak | lol Eulex as much as i can get |
| 19:42.41 | Eulex | or hundreds |
| 19:42.43 | Buttons | i want some too :) |
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| 19:43.20 | gnomefreak | with Buttons wanting some i need a few hundred million :( |
| 19:43.35 | Buttons | oh stop gnome we can share |
| 19:43.40 | Arsion | eh, just give mine to the homeless |
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| 19:43.56 | gnomefreak | ok wait a damn min my curser looks funny is the upgrading doing that to it? |
| 19:44.02 | nvz | can you get accell with XFree86 in sarge on an onboard intel 82810E DC-133 CGC chipset? I guess thats i810 compatible.. and if so do you need to load any special kernel modules and do you know if its capable of 2d or 3d accell or both? |
| 19:44.17 | Buttons | this is all so new to me |
| 19:44.22 | gnomefreak | its a triangle not a --> sign |
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| 19:44.35 | abrotman | nvz: i'd think so |
| 19:44.47 | takatumi | Arsion: haven't tried it, heard lotta negatives about it, but http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/02/msg02525.html |
| 19:44.56 | abrotman | nvz: i'd guess it's hte i810 chipset |
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| 19:45.26 | spatulasnout | abrotman: thanks!!! that eliminated the error |
| 19:45.31 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:45.32 | nvz | abrotman: I am trying the i810 driver.. looking around for that damn piece of paper I put their monitor make/model on |
| 19:45.34 | spatulasnout | :) |
| 19:45.37 | abrotman | see ... I"M A NICE GUY ! |
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| 19:45.45 | abrotman | nvz: doh! |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | nvz: you've still got three hours! |
| 19:46.22 | gnomefreak | abrotman, something i heard years ago if you have to say it is it really true? lol |
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| 19:46.22 | Arsion | takatumi: eh, dont like its graphics. reminds me of windows 3.1 lol |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | gnomefreak: noone likes me! |
| 19:46.34 | gnomefreak | yay only 2 hrs 35 mins left |
| 19:46.45 | gnomefreak | abrotman, your not bad |
| 19:46.55 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:46.55 | nvz | abrotman: its not a real big deal.. but I'd like for dumb stuff like monitor sync ranges or X mouse scrolling not to be the first thing this girl has to worry about when she experiences debian |
| 19:47.05 | gnomefreak | that too |
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| 19:47.18 | abrotman | nvz: i'd think you'd be safe with 800x600 as the default |
| 19:47.32 | nvz | eww |
| 19:47.35 | spatulasnout | question: is it possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but specify certain packages NOT to upgrade? |
| 19:47.40 | abrotman | nvz: she might only have a 14" monitor |
| 19:47.43 | gnomefreak | nvc if it is the first thing she has to worry about she will call you ;) |
| 19:47.50 | abrotman | @hold |
| 19:47.51 | ravenbird | well, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or ... |
| 19:47.59 | gnomefreak | apt-get upgrade <packagename> |
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| 19:48.24 | cparker | hmmm |
| 19:48.25 | takatumi | or aptitude hold foo |
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| 19:49.00 | zerge | hi all |
| 19:49.10 | crosvera | who can help me with my printer on at network |
| 19:49.10 | Buttons | hi |
| 19:49.18 | spatulasnout | thanks! |
| 19:49.19 | cparker | bbrazil: tcptraceroute toc.oscar.aol.com 5190 is successful. i see the conneciton with an [open] status after 13 hops |
| 19:49.30 | nvz | abrotman: HP MX-70 just found it.. though its not on monitorworld.. they probably gave me the number off the front and not the HP model number off the back |
| 19:49.36 | crosvera | i hve this fuckin' error: "Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...GPL Ghostscript 8.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1" |
| 19:49.57 | abrotman | nvz: 17" monitor most likely ... |
| 19:49.59 | crosvera | who can help me ? |
| 19:50.05 | bbrazil | cparker: then it should work. use tcpdump to see if other connection attempts are being made |
| 19:50.14 | nvz | abrotman: might be the HP70 (D2837A) for all I know |
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| 19:51.13 | nvz | abrotman: like I got the HP M50 here is what it says on the front but on the back the actual model number is D5258A I have no idea why HP puts those numbers on the front or what they are.. they sure arent the model |
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| 19:51.20 | abrotman | nvz: seems safe .. i'd go for 1024x768 |
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| 19:51.45 | abrotman | !kill the bots |
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| 19:52.50 | blondie | spamtastic |
| 19:54.22 | stew | is anyone actually getting spam from these bots? |
| 19:54.27 | ulme | ok, let's just start asking people one by one. blondie: did you get xnview working on sarge? |
| 19:54.37 | ulme | just kiddin' :p |
| 19:54.42 | blondie | erm |
| 19:54.42 | caphuso | stew: no, it's a conspiracy against you. nobody else is included |
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| 19:56.03 | abrotman | @info xnview sarge |
| 19:56.13 | bucky | !test |
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| 19:56.17 | abrotman | bucky: toast |
| 19:56.25 | blondie | bucky: ERROR |
| 19:56.26 | yxa | help, i'm still getting unresolved symbols when doing depmod and Can't find /lib/modules/ver/modules.dep |
| 19:56.32 | stew | caphuso: during the last round of spambots that made freenode start the must be registered to /msg, i never actually got a spam /msg |
| 19:56.41 | stew | so maybe it is a conspiracy against me |
| 19:56.59 | stew | how am i supposed to find webcams of naked chicks if nobody spams me? |
| 19:57.10 | blondie | stew: they spam plenty in the channel |
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| 19:57.13 | wang | lol |
| 19:57.18 | thc | WHO KILLED DPKG. |
| 19:57.28 | bbrazil | presumably as you're a 's' they get killed before they reach you |
| 19:57.33 | plazm | hi, im going to compile a new 2.6.14 kernel, which things should i remember to add ? |
| 19:57.37 | _s | will you send me your ####sources.list##### pls |
| 19:57.39 | caphuso | stew: are you set +E? |
| 19:57.46 | stew | caphuso: no |
| 19:57.52 | abrotman | _s: apt-setup |
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| 19:58.11 | liable | fbi: lay off the pot! its giving you a split personality :P |
| 19:58.19 | caphuso | stew: or is the nickserv "unfiltered" option set for your nick? |
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| 19:58.24 | stew | caphuso: no |
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| 19:58.29 | fbi | there's nuthin' wrong with an extra personality or two. |
| 19:58.32 | caphuso | stew: weird |
| 19:58.36 | stew | yeah |
| 19:58.58 | stew | i started to guess that the bots had a bug with short /nicks maybe |
| 19:59.00 | plazm | can anyone see what im writing ? |
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| 19:59.13 | thingfish | plazm: yes, we can. |
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| 19:59.15 | abrotman | plazm: no |
| 19:59.26 | thingfish | plazm: maybe start with a known good .config. |
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| 19:59.54 | thingfish | plazm: i.e., a .config from a debian-supplied kernel. |
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| 20:00.19 | Eulex | plazm, preferrably the pre-compiled 2.6.14 kernel from unstable |
| 20:00.20 | thingfish | you can always change things to your liking. |
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| 20:00.49 | _s | abrotman: I did everything I could . My sources.list has over 15 items and I still can't install some packages. e.g. "vlc" can't find every dependeces |
| 20:00.55 | plazm | well, i've made many kernels for gentoo, but i cant get em working for debian :s |
| 20:01.16 | blondie | plazm: apt-get install one instead :p |
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| 20:01.38 | abrotman | _s: show us the errors |
| 20:01.40 | Eulex | plazm, why do you want a 2.6.14 kernel, btw? |
| 20:02.09 | takatumi | stew: well isn't mine long? nada here too. |
| 20:02.12 | plazm | Eulex, im having a 2.4, and my wireless driver requires 2.6.9+ |
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| 20:02.24 | Anarchy | aight what is a solution for accessing http://people.debian.org/~jordens/tla/zd1211/zd1211--monitor-mode--0/patch-1/? |
| 20:02.27 | abrotman | MyBot99553: hello |
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| 20:02.47 | ulme | when you apt-get something, apt-get will list you suggested and reccommended packages. how do you tel apt-get to actually install those? |
| 20:02.49 | abrotman | Anarchy: wait for the server to come back up |
| 20:02.56 | haetd | Anarchy...beat me to it. |
| 20:02.59 | haetd | hah |
| 20:03.01 | r3tex | how come my .c files get "HelloWorld.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory" |
| 20:03.02 | Eulex | plazm, install 2.6.11 from testing |
| 20:03.05 | Anarchy | hell debian can not keep server up been down all freaking night |
| 20:03.05 | ulme | i mean, not by manually apt-getting them all after the main installation |
| 20:03.08 | takatumi | ulme: aptitude can. |
| 20:03.10 | r3tex | something is wrong with my libc i take it |
| 20:03.17 | abrotman | Anarchy: oh .. maybe the guy never reenabled his webspace |
| 20:03.22 | plazm | Eulex but will everything be included then ? |
| 20:03.23 | Eulex | r3tex, install build-essential |
| 20:03.26 | Anarchy | debian devs can not maintain there servers but expect users to trust there packages geez that is rediculious |
| 20:03.31 | haetd | abrotman: No all US debian is down... |
| 20:03.40 | haetd | It drops at gluck.debian.org |
| 20:03.41 | abrotman | Anarchy: are you going to keep trolling ? |
| 20:03.43 | bucky | Anarchy it's because we don't give debian any money to keep their servers running |
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| 20:03.49 | abrotman | yes . gluck is down .. |
| 20:03.50 | Eulex | plazm, a debian kernel is made to include support for as much as possible |
| 20:03.56 | a1fa|64 | anyway to have vncserver bind to allready running x server? |
| 20:03.58 | r3tex | Eulex: yeah it says i have libc6 installed and it wants libc6-dev installed |
| 20:03.59 | _s | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 20:03.59 | _s | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:03.59 | _s | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.59 | _s | E: Broken packages |
| 20:03.59 | _s | sasmos:/home/s# echo $? |
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| 20:04.05 | abrotman | which is better than gentoo crap that can't even get pure64 packages to compile .. |
| 20:04.09 | haetd | Initially thought it was a Level3 problem, again, appears as though it's not. |
| 20:04.09 | Anarchy | debian = a waste of my time take your B.S and spread it else where |
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| 20:04.13 | plazm | Eulex yeah, but wouldnt that take much of my memory ? |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | !ops Anarchy trolling |
| 20:04.21 | abrotman | @ops Anarchy trolling |
| 20:04.27 | _s | sry. again |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 20:04.28 | a1fa|64 | dipshit |
| 20:04.29 | Anarchy | oh no big bad wolf gonna have me banned |
| 20:04.29 | Eulex | plazm, no. they are compiled as modules. |
| 20:04.37 | abrotman | ~ops Anarchy trolling |
| 20:04.39 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Anarchy trolling |
| 20:04.45 | bucky | Anarchy: we need to find a rich financier like Shuttleworth to give us $10 M ...oh wait he did that but... |
| 20:04.46 | amphi | Anarchy: there's always the oubliette |
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| 20:04.53 | _s | vlc: Depends: libmodplug0 (>= 1:0.7-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:04.53 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Anarchy trolling |
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| 20:05.01 | _s | errorlevel is 100 |
| 20:05.03 | Rez | O_o |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | haetd: i don't know what the problem is .. i'm not the admin of the server |
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| 20:05.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 20:05.11 | a1fa|64 | anyway to have vnc bind to allready running xfree |
| 20:05.12 | *** kick/#debian [Anarchy!i=foobar@p5481ACC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 20:05.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gentoo/developer/Anarchy] by caphuso |
| 20:05.14 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 20:05.17 | Eulex | plazm, with an initrd containing modules that may be needed for a computer to boot |
| 20:05.21 | mentor | oh FFS. |
| 20:05.21 | haetd | Yep, I know. =) |
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| 20:05.37 | _s | abrotman: error line is :vlc: Depends: libmodplug0 (>= 1:0.7-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:05.38 | abrotman | you'd think a gentoo developer would have more manners :) |
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| 20:05.43 | mentor | An affiliated Gentoo developer trolling. |
| 20:05.51 | mentor | abrotman: possibly not. |
| 20:05.52 | mentor | :P |
| 20:05.55 | Gnea | that's just classic ignorance. |
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| 20:05.58 | abrotman | oh wait .. they're just stupid |
| 20:05.59 | haetd | He's just a little irked right now. |
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| 20:06.08 | abrotman | @info libmodplug0 sid |
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| 20:06.16 | haetd | I'm irked at the leakages on BGP right now. |
| 20:06.21 | haetd | This is horse maneur. |
| 20:06.24 | bucky | An affiliated Gentoo developer trolling that made life so miserable for Daniel Robbins that Daniel said screw you all and went to work for M$ |
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| 20:06.33 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:06.57 | abrotman | @info libmodplug0 sarge |
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| 20:07.17 | abrotman | _s: i have no idea where that package comes from .. apparently it's not in debian |
| 20:07.19 | abrotman | @info libmodplug0 etch |
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| 20:07.40 | abrotman | or wait .. |
| 20:07.42 | abrotman | @dstats sarge |
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| 20:07.45 | ravenbird | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 706 packages, 264 maintainers, 1859 MB installed size, 509 MB compressed size. |
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| 20:07.51 | abrotman | oh yeah .. ravenbird is retarded |
| 20:07.54 | Eulex | abrotman, libmodplug0 is just in stable... |
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| 20:08.10 | abrotman | Eulex: yeah .. i forgot that ravenbird only knows 1/10 of the archive |
| 20:08.21 | slyve | i'm very familiar with the "mc" interface for file management, but is there a very similar tool for gnome? tired of switching consoles to manage files |
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| 20:08.36 | zinx | slyve: gmc? :/ |
| 20:08.37 | Gnea | slyve: gmc |
| 20:08.47 | _s | abrotman: pls send me your sources.list and I will be content. |
| 20:08.54 | abrotman | _s: use apt-setup |
| 20:09.04 | Gnea | !pls |
| 20:09.08 | a1fa|64 | how to make debian bind to allready running vnc server? |
| 20:09.10 | Gnea | heh |
| 20:09.13 | comex | _sysctl({{CTL_KERN, KERN_VERSION is causing segfaults according to strace. This is after more stupid filesystem errors... |
| 20:09.16 | slyve | :P oh. eheh. |
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| 20:09.27 | bucky | _s: i'll paste mine.. you want sarge? |
| 20:09.35 | Eulex | bucky, no. |
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| 20:09.48 | bucky | Eulex: no what? |
| 20:09.48 | djp | when an app crashes under debian (eye of gnome just went belly up), is a log kept anywhere of the event? i received a message saying you may continue or send a report to the developers... |
| 20:09.51 | Eulex | bucky, he should use an as local mirror as possible |
| 20:10.00 | gnomefreak | what is valknut anyone know? |
| 20:10.16 | Eulex | bucky, so he should use apt-setup |
| 20:10.19 | bucky | Eulex: debian.org is down how is he going to figure out which local mirror? |
| 20:10.26 | gnomefreak | it looks cool but all it says its a dc cleint and im not sure what that means |
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| 20:10.32 | diana | http://books.google.com/ |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | bucky: why not ask him to paste his |
| 20:10.34 | Eulex | bucky, apt-setup prompts him |
| 20:10.36 | bucky | apt-sertup sucks |
| 20:10.37 | bbrazil | bucky: apt-setup I'd guess |
| 20:10.39 | abrotman | _s: paste your sources somewhere |
| 20:10.40 | diana | The beta books site is up from google |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | bucky: yes .. but yours aren't going to help him |
| 20:10.49 | Gnea | bucky: apt-setup works just fine. |
| 20:10.50 | Eulex | bucky, no |
| 20:11.01 | fbi | what sucks about apt-setup? it has never failed me, ever. |
| 20:11.02 | gnomefreak | my debian.org repos are working and a few pages in the debian site/domain are working |
| 20:11.14 | bucky | _s: what part of the world are you in? |
| 20:11.26 | bucky | ahh.. cz |
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| 20:11.34 | _s | abrotman: I did how you said |
| 20:11.42 | abrotman | _s: paste your sources somewhere |
| 20:11.44 | abrotman | @paste |
| 20:11.52 | _s | ok |
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| 20:11.56 | Gnea | !paset |
| 20:11.57 | takatumi | diana: I feel it's a fucking tease. |
| 20:11.57 | Gnea | !paste |
| 20:12.08 | abrotman | _s: though .. first .. apt-get update;apt-get install vlc |
| 20:12.09 | diana | takatumi: same |
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| 20:12.11 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:12.11 | Eulex | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 20:12.13 | abrotman | Gnea: he's fucking toast |
| 20:12.19 | Gnea | abrotman: apparantly |
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| 20:12.35 | Gnea | abrotman: even with butter, that must hurt |
| 20:12.37 | gnomefreak | whats the bots name dpkg? |
| 20:12.47 | oxez | Debian is currently installing (3.1), and I'm wondering if I installed the right thing. I want my system to use the unstable repos, did I have to download a special .iso? |
| 20:12.49 | abrotman | dpkg is dead right now |
| 20:12.57 | bucky | gnomefreak: dpkg is ignoring you |
| 20:12.57 | fbi | r.i.p. dpkg |
| 20:12.57 | gnomefreak | damn |
| 20:13.08 | gnomefreak | lol |
| 20:13.09 | oxez | Or do I have to wait installation is done to modify the sources.list |
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| 20:13.13 | Gnea | man, debian is under attack today or what |
| 20:13.24 | fbi | attack from what |
| 20:13.25 | gnomefreak | ok lets me try this what does a dc client do? |
| 20:13.38 | netman1 | oxez: apt-get update & upgrade ; apt-get distupgrade |
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| 20:13.44 | aeronadix | no man, they aren't a service business, they are volunteer, they gotta break off and do work or relax or something |
| 20:13.55 | Eulex | oxez, you should wait. why do you want to run unstable, btw? |
| 20:14.05 | netman1 | oxez: (in between change your sources.list) |
| 20:14.17 | a1fa|64 | how do you bind vnc to allready running X? |
| 20:14.19 | _s | abrotman: the same error occured. ( it's not only this package ) |
| 20:14.20 | oxez | Eulex: I want gnome 2.12 |
| 20:14.35 | abrotman | _s: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 20:14.54 | netman1 | oxez: get it from backports.org? |
| 20:14.57 | Eulex | oxez, you can get gnome 2.12 from unstable without running unstable |
| 20:15.02 | oxez | Eulex: I used ubuntu some weeks ago, which is based on debian unstable. And I'd like to get the same packages |
| 20:15.04 | takatumi | oxez: what is in your sources right now? alt-F2 will give you shell. |
| 20:15.12 | _s | abrotman: a minute. |
| 20:15.15 | oxez | takatumi: the default |
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| 20:15.26 | abrotman | bucky: you wanna look too ? |
| 20:15.37 | ultraviolet16 | hey abrotman |
| 20:15.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:16.09 | oxez | takatumi: stable main, and stable/updates main |
| 20:16.16 | takatumi | oxez: expert26 will give you options to select repos. |
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| 20:16.25 | ultraviolet16 | after a good night's sleep, wanna try to get that dumb x-windows thing working again? ;) |
| 20:16.28 | r3tex | Eulex: i have libc6 installed correctly but gcc says stdio.h is missing |
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| 20:16.34 | docelic | In aspell, how do I make it remember my choice for successive files I spellcheck ? |
| 20:16.36 | oxez | takatumi: ok, and I guess synaptic would do the same job6 |
| 20:16.44 | ultraviolet16 | do you think I should just try to use xorg instead of xf86? |
| 20:16.44 | Eulex | oxez, or rather, you probably can. you'd add unstable to your sources.list but make testing or stable your default |
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| 20:17.02 | oxez | Eulex: this is not only for GNOME 2.12, but for a lot of apps |
| 20:17.11 | oxez | I want to be more bleeding edge :p |
| 20:17.32 | netman1 | oxez: get a knife ;-) |
| 20:17.33 | _s | abrotman: on chanel sources |
| 20:17.34 | bucky | abrotman: Eulex has it covered |
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| 20:17.41 | abrotman | bucky: he does ? |
| 20:17.47 | abrotman | _s: ? |
| 20:17.57 | Eulex | oxez, run testing. it's quite stable and up to date. |
| 20:18.02 | djp | when an app crashes under debian (eye of gnome just went belly up), is a log kept anywhere of the event? i received a message saying you may continue or send a report to the developers... |
| 20:18.05 | takatumi | oxez: you are installing stable now, to get to unstable you may need to upgrade to testing and then to unstable, treacherous path it maybe. |
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| 20:18.16 | _s | abrotman: "/joi? sources" |
| 20:18.25 | abrotman | _s: /join #flood |
| 20:18.34 | oxez | ok, I'll try testing then. I'm still discovering debian so I don't mind reformating if something goes wrong |
| 20:19.07 | abrotman | nvz: 1024x768 @ 75Hz .. that should be fine |
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| 20:19.17 | Eulex | oxez, then when you're done, come in here and get instructions on how to install stuff from unstable but keeping testing your default |
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| 20:19.39 | nvz | abrotman: problem was I was comming out of base-config isntalling "desktop-system" and in debconf for X already and chose advanced already :P |
| 20:19.51 | abrotman | nvz: doh! |
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| 20:20.05 | nvz | abrotman: I never had that much trouble finding a monitor spec. google seems to say its a P1238A but I cannot find it anywhere |
| 20:20.13 | nvz | abrotman: I know MX-70 isnt the real model number |
| 20:20.14 | oxez | Eulex: you said 'testing' was more stable. I'll try and see if I'm satisfied or not |
| 20:20.29 | poop | module-assistant doesn't seem to be working ("SELECT" doesn't work) |
| 20:20.30 | Eulex | oxez, the problem is that unstable is what it says. it's not uncommon with dependency problems, affecting a lot of things |
| 20:20.48 | Eulex | oxez, from my experience, testing is stable enough in most cases |
| 20:20.51 | nvz | abrotman: cause I got on here that says HP M50 on the front and clearly says Hewlett Packard Model Number: D5258A on the back |
| 20:21.00 | pedro420 | nvz: Nandrew ! Man this pc is was jacked up man. Wouldn't even boot up. Kept sayin uncorrectable error. I fixed it somehow but my volume control and mixers are still gone. They were here but now they are gone again. |
| 20:21.03 | obsvuugj | what program do you reccomend to send and receve things with bluetooth ? |
| 20:21.13 | poop | Anyone use module-assistant in unstable? |
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| 20:21.19 | abrotman | nvz: on the back yes .. but you asked a nontechnical person to give you a model number :) |
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| 20:21.23 | Eulex | r3tex, it's in libc6-dev |
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| 20:22.02 | nvz | pedro420: do you know what was giving you the error? was the the BIOS, Bootloader, or Kernel? did it happen before/after the gateway screen, boot menu..etc |
| 20:22.05 | zimnyx | what is your output of dplg -l|wc -l |
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| 20:22.27 | nvz | abrotman: I didnt her mom called her and asked her... so it was a non-technical person talking to a non-technical person :P |
| 20:22.28 | r3tex | Eulex: wow lifesaver!! |
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| 20:22.35 | zimnyx | dpkg -l|wc -l |
| 20:22.39 | abrotman | nvz: ah .. ok |
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| 20:23.02 | takatumi | poop: you're hitting space to select right? |
| 20:23.07 | Eulex | zimnyx, 1652, but I don't see how that would matter |
| 20:23.28 | Angel | hi |
| 20:23.28 | Angel | how can i repair the grub manager after windows install? |
| 20:23.30 | pedro420 | nvz: After. It happened when it says it been mounted blah times checked forced. Something to do with fsck. |
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| 20:23.40 | nvz | pedro420: after what? |
| 20:23.54 | pedro420 | nvz: The gateway thing |
| 20:24.03 | nvz | pedro420: but before the boot menu? |
| 20:24.24 | poop | Angel: boot from knoppix, mount the partition with /boot on it, then grub-install --root-directory /path /dev/drive |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | use a grub boot floppy |
| 20:24.36 | pedro420 | nvz: while linux was booting, think in the bios |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | using knoppix is pointless |
| 20:24.51 | poop | or if you live in the last century, use a boot floppy |
| 20:25.06 | zimnyx | Eulex: curious, just curious |
| 20:25.10 | abrotman | or if you want to waste a CD and bandwidth .. use knoppix |
| 20:25.22 | poop | Who even has a floppy drive anymore? |
| 20:25.24 | zimnyx | Eulex: mine is 500 |
| 20:25.25 | abrotman | i have one |
| 20:25.26 | takatumi | or just use the installer and be done with it. |
| 20:25.29 | blondie | poop: I do |
| 20:25.31 | zimnyx | poop: i do |
| 20:25.32 | poop | You're so retro |
| 20:25.33 | abrotman | i have one in every machine i build .. you're an idiot if you don't have one |
| 20:25.35 | blondie | floppy drives are useful |
| 20:25.46 | blondie | poop: no, they are actually useful sometimes |
| 20:25.50 | zimnyx | now we have usb drive |
| 20:25.51 | abrotman | and this scenario is a good example of why you should have one |
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| 20:26.06 | Eulex | poop, does knoppix have grub-install? if not, just chroot into your partition with /sbin |
| 20:26.06 | poop | You'd have to be an idiot to assume every case has a slot for a floppy drive |
| 20:26.20 | abrotman | you'd have to be an idiot to buy a case without one |
| 20:26.20 | nvz | pedro420: the PC turns on, the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) chip shadows its code into RAM and executes the POST (Power-On Self-Test) then reads system settings from the CMOS (Complementary Metal-Oxide Semiconductor) and proceeds to go through the song and dance of passing control to one of the first available boot device on the list. |
| 20:26.22 | Angel | i prefer cd or anything else instead of floppy |
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| 20:27.02 | poop | blondie: They're occasionally useful on _peecees_ but only because they're ridiculous relics |
| 20:27.03 | nvz | pedro420: when this happens, the BIOS points the cpu at the MBR (master boot record) on the harddrive containing the GRUB bootloader, and then loads the linux kernel into memory and starts loading your OS |
| 20:27.13 | Angel | 90% is wrong when you go somewhere if you use it on your onw pc just after you wrote the floppy ok |
| 20:27.19 | blondie | poop: I'm not sure what a "peecee" is |
| 20:27.25 | poop | blondie: x86 |
| 20:27.31 | poop | Those toys that make booting hard. |
| 20:27.33 | blondie | I see |
| 20:27.36 | nvz | pedro420: knowing if its the BIOS which would be a hardware problem, or the bootloader (mbr problem) or kernel (software problem) is half the battle |
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| 20:27.40 | blondie | and what do you use? |
| 20:27.50 | abrotman | oddly .. most older unix machines had floppy drives also |
| 20:27.52 | blanky | #debian and #gentoo have among the most users in one channel |
| 20:27.55 | poop | blondie: You name it. I probably have one. |
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| 20:28.06 | poop | blondie: My desktop is a mac though. |
| 20:28.06 | nvz | pedro420: I think we've both suspected for a long time your PC has hardware issues. |
| 20:28.10 | abrotman | every sparc and sgi i had .. had a floppy drive |
| 20:28.10 | myren | does ssh 4.2 have session multiplexing, or was that ssh 4.3? |
| 20:28.12 | pedro420 | nvz: it had something to do with /dev/hdb1 |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | and the alphas ... |
| 20:28.24 | nvz | pedro420: I find it strange your PIII 500 is that fucking slow, even running KDE :P |
| 20:28.28 | poop | abrotman: Again, all from last century |
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| 20:28.37 | oxez | hm how do I get to the FAQ in the wiki in /topic |
| 20:28.39 | rziviani | help |
| 20:28.41 | rziviani | preciso de ajuda |
| 20:28.42 | blondie | OMG |
| 20:28.43 | nvz | pedro420: yeah hdb1 is that 60GB hd I gave you, maybe its going bad or something |
| 20:28.47 | abrotman | poop: and .. what's your point? that means .. a floppy is still useful |
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| 20:28.54 | pedro420 | nvz: Hardware issues, this fuckr is a piece of garbage |
| 20:28.56 | blondie | both the Macs and my Sun Blade have floppy drives :P |
| 20:29.07 | obsvuugj | what is the baest program to send and receve things with bluetooth ? |
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| 20:29.16 | abrotman | right .. poop is just trolling apparently |
| 20:29.16 | poop | blondie: Macs havn't had floppy drives for years and years |
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| 20:29.21 | nvz | pedro420: they got an 80GB at circuit city for $19.99 on sale right now after a factory and store rebate and instant savings |
| 20:29.24 | foampeace | hello |
| 20:29.35 | nvz | pedro420: if your hd is dying that is :P |
| 20:29.37 | pedro420 | nvz: thats not a badd deal |
| 20:29.48 | drasko | hi all. I have a few questions. I have problems installing Debian Sarge... |
| 20:29.49 | poop | Naw, I'm just reacting to a dumbass comment like "using knoppix is pointless" |
| 20:29.57 | abrotman | because it is |
| 20:29.59 | foampeace | Hello, how do i define the pkg-config path for something...its being asked for when compiling with autoapt |
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| 20:30.10 | Anthro | drasko: Ask away. |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | for starters .. the sarge isntaller could fix it .. secondly .. download knoppix just to get grub is stupid |
| 20:30.17 | nvz | pedro420: its cheap.. but if I were to look for a deal I would look for a bigger drive.. but I know having a youngin and all you would be lookign for real cheap as you dont really have a hardware budget |
| 20:30.17 | drasko | I want to install Gnome. How much disks do I have to have. |
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| 20:30.23 | blanky | I'd like to speak with someone experienced with debian, privately |
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| 20:30.25 | drasko | I have 1, 2 and 3 |
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| 20:30.34 | pedro420 | nvz: god knows what this things problem is. One mintues I have sound controls aand mixers days later I don't again. Ready to throw this fuckr in the road. |
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| 20:30.37 | blondie | poop: unfortunately |
| 20:30.40 | Eulex | !topiccmite blanky |
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| 20:30.44 | Eulex | !topicsmite blanky |
| 20:30.50 | bbrazil | drasko: do you have a good net connection? |
| 20:30.54 | takatumi | drasko: 1 should do. |
| 20:30.56 | Anthro | drasko: If you have a net connection, you don't need more than the first disk. |
| 20:30.58 | poop | Knoppix is incredibly handy on an architecture that so easily loses its ability to boot. |
| 20:31.00 | blanky | Eulex? |
| 20:31.00 | valdyn | foampeace: you dont, you install whatever is needed to build that thing, so pkg-config can find it |
| 20:31.06 | pedro420 | nvz: I gots no budget man |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | knoppix is crap and a waste of time |
| 20:31.15 | Eulex | ah, forgot dpkg was dead. and, blanky, read /topic |
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| 20:31.39 | poop | abrot: You're probably just saying that because it uses KDE. |
| 20:31.44 | GeniusDex | does anyone have a clue how i can get the Adaptec AIC-8130 (Marvell 88SX6041 chipset) SATA controller working in the debian installer? All the drivers i can find seem to be for redhat or suse :/ |
| 20:31.48 | drasko | I can not fix my cable modem to work in Debian, so I have to install from disks |
| 20:31.50 | nvz | pedro420: you do have an actual sound card.. so if its just sound I would make sure the sound card didnt come loose from the socket and that all the wires I rigged arent comming loose and shorting stuff out :P |
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| 20:32.04 | Eulex | GeniusDex, tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
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| 20:32.12 | bbrazil | drasko: I'd say get it working and then worry about gnome |
| 20:32.13 | GeniusDex | i did yes |
| 20:32.13 | nvz | pedro420: that transmitter is kinda rigged to one of your berg connectors for power ya know |
| 20:32.18 | nvz | pedro420: got to keep an eye on that |
| 20:32.23 | foampeace | valdyn: i dont understand what to do now |
| 20:32.33 | djp | when an app crashes under debian (eye of gnome just went belly up), is a log kept anywhere of the event? |
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| 20:32.42 | GeniusDex | adaptec provides drivers, but only in RPM form for suse and redhat, and loading those doesn't help at all |
| 20:32.49 | valdyn | foampeace: me neither, i dont know what you want to build or what the error message was |
| 20:32.51 | pedro420 | nvz: Where is the sound card ? Where the transmitter in connected inside ? |
| 20:32.52 | drasko | bbrazil, but how? |
| 20:32.55 | nvz | pedro420: they built that thing to plug into a car, not a computer.. I just cut the car adapter off and put a burg connector on it |
| 20:32.57 | blanky | has anyone here tried ubuntu? |
| 20:33.14 | poop | blanky: yes, but now you must die for asking (I'm sorry, farewell) |
| 20:33.16 | abrotman | blanky: #ubuntu |
| 20:33.19 | nvz | pedro420: its connected to a burg connector for power.. if one of them power or ground wires came loose it could short things out |
| 20:33.31 | nvz | pedro420: and your sound card is probably the only card you have in there |
| 20:33.53 | blanky | I know about #ubuntu, obviously you guys feel threatenend by Ubuntu |
| 20:34.04 | nvz | pedro420: I remember telling you before you are welcome to one of these pcs I have, though the only one I have thats better specs wise is my compaq and its the one I use |
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| 20:34.12 | Anthro | blanky: ubuntu live CDs are nice. I wouldn't install ubuntu on a system I could install Debian on instead. |
| 20:34.18 | poop | blanky: I liked it, but I had trouble with it. It wasn't enough to keep me, so I just switched back to debian. |
| 20:34.19 | abrotman | no .. it's just offtopic here :) |
| 20:34.24 | nvz | pedro420: that gateway is b-dup though.. I dont think you could be worse off with one of these. |
| 20:34.27 | Eulex | !tell blanky about ubuntu |
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| 20:34.41 | pedro420 | nvz: I see 3 cards man |
| 20:34.44 | thc | uh, he's gone, and the bot is down. |
| 20:34.51 | nvz | pedro420: I could always stop using this Dell Optiplex I am on right now if I had to.. I could use a slower pc for my 2nd head I guess |
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| 20:35.05 | drasko | Second question: I have some old Sarge disks, when Srge was in testing phase. If I install now fom this disks I get kernel 2.4. If I say apt-get update would it fix all the packages, even the kernel and base packages for the new version? |
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| 20:35.30 | valdyn | drasko: get the released sarge installer |
| 20:35.31 | poop | I see debian adoped the linux-image naming convention ubuntu uses. |
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| 20:35.44 | GeniusDex | drasko: i believe you have to manually install a new kernel package, but i'd strongly advise to download a new installer |
| 20:35.48 | abrotman | hurd-image |
| 20:35.56 | nvz | pedro420: I am working right now.. that lady from the liquor store is comming to get this pc at 6-6:30 she already paid me.. I am hookin her daughter up so she can get back to talking to geeks and pedophiles online |
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| 20:36.01 | valdyn | drasko: using unsupported beta software ( which is what prerelease sarge installers are ) isnt a good base to start at all |
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| 20:36.26 | pedro420 | nvz: did this transmitter always have one white plug not connected to anything |
| 20:36.28 | drasko | ok. I'll download new installer and install again. So I need just disk 1 for desktop environment, right? |
| 20:36.41 | poop | NOTE: You are not root but member of the src group. Mapping the base working directory to "/usr/src/modass" |
| 20:36.43 | poop | wonderful |
| 20:36.43 | foampeace | valdyn: did you mean to get for exampl libgtk2.0-dev to fix the pkg-config prob? |
| 20:36.49 | valdyn | drasko: yea |
| 20:36.51 | pedro420 | nvz: has 2 cut wires hangin from it |
| 20:36.53 | valdyn | foampeace: for example |
| 20:36.55 | n3o_X | there anything wrong with the debian website? |
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| 20:36.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:36.59 | Anthro | drasko: If you have a decent net connection, download the netinstall (or businesscard) CD. It's much smaller. |
| 20:37.00 | drasko | thanks! |
| 20:37.07 | kaos | ??? |
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| 20:37.11 | kaos | hello |
| 20:37.16 | kaos | any 1 form Okc? |
| 20:37.20 | aeronadix | businesscard cd? |
| 20:37.30 | Anthro | aeronadix: Yes. It is tiny. |
| 20:37.37 | drasko | Anthro, I can not get my cable usb modem to work on Debian... |
| 20:37.37 | foampeace | valdyn: accidently killed term, did you say something? |
| 20:37.38 | _s | thx abrotman and bucky ### THX ### |
| 20:37.39 | nvz | pedro420: berg connector has two black grounds and a +5 red wire and a +12 yellow wire.. the transmitter is made for a car, so it runs on 12v and doesnt need the 5v connector |
| 20:37.49 | valdyn | foampeace: yea, i said 'for example' |
| 20:37.59 | pedro420 | nvz: oh |
| 20:38.00 | nvz | keri |
| 20:38.02 | Anthro | aeronadix: Small ISO designed to fit on one of those businesscard form factor CDs. |
| 20:38.05 | nvz | damn wrong keyboard again |
| 20:38.08 | n3o_X | there anything wrong with the debian website? |
| 20:38.13 | foampeace | valdyn: what was the example...The one i gave about install the -dev? |
| 20:38.18 | valdyn | foampeace: yea |
| 20:38.24 | nvz | ah, fucker |
| 20:38.29 | Anthro | drasko: Ew. Why don't you have a cable modem with an ethernet port? |
| 20:38.32 | foampeace | valdyn: ok thanks bud |
| 20:38.34 | aeronadix | thx |
| 20:38.37 | Greatred | n3o_X, people were saying it was down earlier, try a mirror |
| 20:38.50 | n3o_X | can i have a list of mirrors? or just one |
| 20:38.52 | nvz | fuck its not letting me in.. |
| 20:38.54 | abrotman | aeronadix: use the netinst .. not hte businesscard |
| 20:38.55 | bucky | _s: check out what abrotman said in #flood |
| 20:38.58 | Greatred | n3o_X, www.uk.debian.org |
| 20:39.00 | valdyn | foampeace: if you wanted precise answers you'd tell me the precise error, like this i cant be more than vague ) |
| 20:39.09 | n3o_X | tyy |
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| 20:39.18 | nvz | bah its not letting me in as kari or root, and i have no right ctrl key on that keyboard :P |
| 20:39.24 | aeronadix | yeah, I use netinstall |
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| 20:39.38 | nvz | I am stuck in gdm!! ahh! |
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| 20:39.47 | Anthro | nvz: Sounds like a personal problem. |
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| 20:40.17 | Anthro | nvz: ctrl-alt-F1 doesn't help? |
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| 20:40.45 | abrotman | Gnea: it's back whatever it was |
| 20:41.05 | nvz | nope, no ssh |
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| 20:41.19 | nvz | Anthro: you can only do that with the left ctrl and it doesnt work |
| 20:41.28 | abrotman | nvz: 2 hours |
| 20:41.31 | nvz | Anthro: neither does F1 :P |
| 20:41.38 | abrotman | alt-f1 ? |
| 20:41.38 | Epix | Hey, I cant get my Q3A server to work! It starts up fine but i cannot connect! |
| 20:41.42 | nvz | abrotman: heh, shut up :P |
| 20:41.48 | abrotman | nvz: linux single ? |
| 20:41.52 | Anthro | nvz: Fun! Does gdm offer a console login choice? |
| 20:41.55 | Eulex | nvz, log in and do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop in a terminal |
| 20:42.12 | nvz | abrotman: nope plug in a working keyboard and quit aggrivating myself :P |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | nvz: good plan |
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| 20:42.29 | pedro420 | nvz: I remember when this thing was bootin it something about no soundcard what is that about man ? |
| 20:42.38 | nvz | i'll chat with the broken one |
| 20:42.42 | nvz | \work with the other |
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| 20:43.20 | nvz | pedro420: no idea,, that one time I looked in lspci and the make/model was different too.. its supposed to be an ES1370 or ES1371 If I recall correctly |
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| 20:43.37 | Epix | No channel around here about q3a eh? |
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| 20:43.57 | nvz | hmm the left shift must be broke too cause login didnt fail when I used my keyboard |
| 20:44.14 | pedro420 | nvz: Is there a way to fix it to where it was what is was before ? |
| 20:45.02 | nvz | pedro420: no. the only way to fix it is to figure out wtf is wrong first |
| 20:45.21 | nvz | pedro420: sounds like that pc is fuckin dying |
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| 20:45.53 | pedro420 | nvz: Prolly is |
| 20:45.58 | nvz | pedro420: actually this Dell _is_ better than your pc, I just checked /proc/cpuinfo I thought it was slower. |
| 20:46.04 | nvz | pedro420: this is a 667mhz |
| 20:46.17 | nvz | pedro420: I'll trade you I guess fuck it |
| 20:46.19 | foampeac1 | what are -dev files exactly? I have source code to compile so what are -dev files? |
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| 20:46.54 | pedro420 | nvz: Wouldn't mine be faster its a 1 ghz |
| 20:46.57 | abrotman | foampeac1: most are useful as libraries .. like libgtk2.0-0-dev etc |
| 20:47.15 | nvz | pedro420: gloria's boombox at work has RCA inputs on the back I will use that to hook my mp3 player up.. you can hang onto the transmitter for awhile. |
| 20:47.23 | nvz | pedro420: I thought yours was a 500mhz |
| 20:47.33 | nvz | pedro420: check cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:47.41 | pedro420 | nvz: no 1 ghz |
| 20:47.50 | nvz | I dont think |
| 20:47.53 | pedro420 | nvz: How do I do that |
| 20:48.04 | nvz | if thats a 1ghz you need to just throw it away, I dont want it |
| 20:48.09 | nvz | it runs slow as fuck |
| 20:48.17 | nvz | pedro420: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:48.22 | nvz | in a terminal or something |
| 20:48.25 | abrotman | grep -i mips |
| 20:48.30 | drasko | ok, I am downloadind cd1 from primary cd server in Sweden. It is debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso So, do this CD contains te new installer and Gnome with it? |
| 20:48.32 | nvz | bah |
| 20:48.42 | nvz | abrotman: you grok mips? |
| 20:48.59 | abrotman | drasko: probably the CD will not contain gnome .. do you have broadband ? |
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| 20:49.02 | pedro420 | nvz: it say bash no such file |
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| 20:49.14 | abrotman | nvz: sure :) |
| 20:49.16 | nvz | abrotman: his machine may be 1000mips but its certainly not 1000mhz |
| 20:49.24 | drasko | abrotman, nope. Thats why I must get this on disk... |
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| 20:49.34 | abrotman | drasko: your best bet is to order a CD set |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 20:49.40 | abrotman | bah .. fuck |
| 20:49.42 | abrotman | stew: where is it ? |
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| 20:50.11 | nvz | pedro420: you should have a /proc/cpuinfo. type cat, then space then /proc/cpuinfo but use the tab key to complete the words dont type them out |
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| 20:50.38 | nvz | pedro420: if you dont have it you might have to load a cpuinfo module for the kernel *shrug* I thought most debian kernels had cpuinfo |
| 20:50.40 | abrotman | drasko: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo/ |
| 20:50.43 | tchino | my apache from my server goes under my debian client, but not under windows, how can i switch free under windows |
| 20:50.54 | abrotman | drasko: oh .. maybe it is .. |
| 20:51.00 | pedro420 | nvz: cpu mhz ? |
| 20:51.00 | abrotman | drasko: but you'll probably want a full CD set |
| 20:51.04 | nvz | pedro420: yes |
| 20:51.13 | abrotman | 12! |
| 20:51.13 | pedro420 | 996.937 |
| 20:51.27 | diana | What is the make-kpkg option to have that initrd support when you compile the kernel? |
| 20:51.28 | nvz | pedro420: I guess it is a 1ghz.. that fucker is slow as hell |
| 20:51.32 | diana | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 20:51.35 | diana | Is that right? |
| 20:51.41 | nvz | pedro420: it runs worse than any 233 celeron I ever had |
| 20:51.50 | oxez | takatumi: still here? |
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| 20:52.17 | pedro420 | nvz: I know and I want to figure out why. I figure a 1 ghz should run faster that this hamster wheel powered piece of shit |
| 20:52.20 | nvz | pedro420: later I will bring the optiplex just for the hell of it and you can take that 60gb I gave you out and put it in there and see how it runs on there |
| 20:52.36 | pedro420 | nvz: Cool |
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| 20:52.49 | nvz | pedro420: look also at /proc/meminfo will tell you how much ram/swap you have total,free,used |
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| 20:52.57 | terzaa | hi! I'm in trouble with nfs someone can help? |
| 20:53.27 | foampeac1 | i compiled a beep media player alarm...for breezy. |
| 20:53.39 | takatumi | foampeac1: #ubuntu |
| 20:53.41 | myren | i want to fucking murder the arseholes in #kanotix. the fucking dickheads are using hte exact same Release files taht came with debian, so I cant pin their fucking packages. they've got a great FreeNX / nomachines package |
| 20:53.58 | pedro420 | nvz: mem total : 125796 kb. Memfree: 15126kb |
| 20:54.00 | nvz | pedro420: I only run sawfish on it, and mozilla firefox is a bit slow on it.. who knows it may be worse |
| 20:54.00 | foampeac1 | takatumi: right thanks |
| 20:54.03 | sandman | Can one checkinstall -D binary install packages? Like, nvidia's installer from their website? |
| 20:54.04 | bucky | !test |
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| 20:54.18 | abrotman | bucky: still dead |
| 20:54.30 | bucky | abrotman: debian.org is back up |
| 20:54.35 | abrotman | bucky: i saw |
| 20:54.40 | [FileFly] | hey folks =) |
| 20:54.44 | Eulex | including p.d.o |
| 20:54.45 | aeronadix | myren, woow take it easy take it easy, think about it first, sleep on it |
| 20:54.57 | bucky | sandman: use module-assistant |
| 20:54.57 | nvz | pedro420: yeah thats 128mb ram.. probably saome is shared with the onboard video. I think we ran memtest on that before and found no problems |
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| 20:55.10 | [FileFly] | Not here to start any kind of flame war firstly just so ya know =) |
| 20:55.13 | poop | Well, even if the module-assistant gui doesn't work, it still seems to on the command line |
| 20:55.17 | [FileFly] | But, just switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo |
| 20:55.19 | sandman | Nono, I'm just saying can it be used to make debian packages out of binary releases? |
| 20:55.26 | [FileFly] | Now i'm considering switching to Debian =) |
| 20:55.27 | oxez | takatumi: when you told me to run expert26, do I have to install that command? |
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| 20:55.35 | lightbright | hey hey :) |
| 20:55.39 | nvz | pedro420: though greycat said memtest86 couldnt detect a missing stick of ram |
| 20:55.39 | drasko | abrotman, I have broadband, just can not fix it at the installation time... I could not make my cable modem (and it is connected via usb). So it is easier for me just to download one cd, install Debian with Gnome and then surf around to find a solution on making the modem work. I used to do that on other similar distributions, but not with debian. Now I want to switch to Debian, and I just need someone to tell me do I need to ged just first CD to get Gnom |
| 20:55.41 | sandman | [FileFly]: Debian is the best. You need some time to fully understand what it is, though |
| 20:55.42 | marstewel | sandman: what would you like to make packages out of ? |
| 20:55.43 | myren | aeronadix: i've spent a month trying to get them to change it, coming in to their channel once a week |
| 20:55.45 | abrotman | @d-i [FileFly] |
| 20:55.51 | terzaa | hel pliz :( |
| 20:56.02 | terzaa | help pliz :( |
| 20:56.04 | [FileFly] | abrotman, huh? =S |
| 20:56.06 | sandman | [FileFly]: And how to use it. It's a powerful weapon in the war against shitty programmers :) |
| 20:56.08 | myren | aeronadix: every single time the fuckheads just laugh. thye have no idea how useless it is having a repository you cannot pin |
| 20:56.11 | abrotman | drasko: how will you surf with no modem ? |
| 20:56.11 | Eulex | drasko, you need the first 2 or 3 cd's |
| 20:56.13 | takatumi | oxez: no from the installer, or just manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list if you've completed the install. |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | ~d-i [FileFly] |
| 20:56.18 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 20:56.19 | poop | FileFly: With ubuntu, I kept finding stuff I needed and didn't quite work perfectly when I tried to source it from debian repositories. So now I just run debian again. |
| 20:56.21 | nvz | pedro420: the POST does a memtest, if you press esc to hide the gateway screen you would see it doing a basic memory check |
| 20:56.22 | myren | its so damned anti-community. the point of debian packages i you can mix and match. you cant do that if you cannot pin. |
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| 20:56.33 | nvz | pedro420: if the ram is real bad it will go slow or fail there |
| 20:56.34 | [FileFly] | sandman, well yea im used to the power of gentoo so Debian as far as im aware has equal levels of power ;) |
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| 20:56.38 | drasko | abrotman, ppp |
| 20:56.44 | abrotman | [FileFly]: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 20:56.45 | [FileFly] | Ubuntu is great... for newbies =( |
| 20:56.49 | Jmax | how can i update from mysql 4.0 on debian 3.1 to mysql 4.1 via apt? |
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| 20:56.51 | tchino | where do i find help for apache |
| 20:56.57 | [FileFly] | Unfortunately it's not my personal taste in distro =( |
| 20:57.01 | Jmax | apt-get install mysql-server installs 4.0 |
| 20:57.03 | poop | The power of gentoo is mostly rooted in the way it wastes your time. |
| 20:57.04 | marstewel | Jmax: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 20:57.07 | sandman | [FileFly]: I use gentoo in a chroot. Gentooblets do all the work for me to make these ebuilds which are useful for nothing more than chrooting |
| 20:57.08 | bucky | @d-i bucky |
| 20:57.10 | abrotman | Jmax: mysqil-server-4.1 |
| 20:57.10 | nvz | pedro420: whats the cpu family on your cpu? Pentium III? |
| 20:57.17 | abrotman | bucky: forget it .. they're all toast |
| 20:57.20 | oxez | takatumi: where can I find the sources.list for testing? |
| 20:57.23 | pedro420 | nvz: yea |
| 20:57.25 | [FileFly] | I like to know what's going on with my system ;) |
| 20:57.31 | Jmax | marstewel: okay, do i need to do apt-get update mysql-server-4.1 if i already have 4.0? |
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| 20:57.34 | nvz | pedro420: maybe that gateway mobo just sucks ass and you can put your PIII into this dell if it can handle a 1ghz |
| 20:57.35 | [FileFly] | sandman, mind if i pm ya bud? =) |
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| 20:57.39 | Jmax | marstewel: or will that update? |
| 20:57.42 | drasko | Eulex, 2 or 3? |
| 20:57.45 | sandman | [FileFly]: ebuilds are crap, too. I'd rather just download upstream packages and manually compile, since then I gain an understanding of the package which I'll want later anyway |
| 20:57.47 | Eulex | oxez, apt-setup or modify your sources.list |
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| 20:57.56 | sandman | [FileFly]: Yeah |
| 20:57.57 | emag | has any badness made it into the amd64 sid lately? i'm to the point where even attempting to boot is causing hangs and panics. currently running memtest86 to see if that finds a memory problem, as even the installer had issues booting in rescue mode. or is it smarter to attempt to go back to i386, and wait for amd64 to be official? |
| 20:58.04 | bucky | [FileFly]: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | oh my god .. it's totally a ricer :) |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | err he's |
| 20:58.10 | pedro420 | nvz: someone once told me gateways are garbage |
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| 20:58.37 | Eulex | drasko, I'm not sure. I think there was a list of what packages was on which cd, but I don't remember where :( |
| 20:58.52 | abrotman | Eulex: drasko http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo/ |
| 20:58.54 | takatumi | emag: debian-amd64 may know. |
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| 20:59.00 | emag | takatumi: thanks |
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| 20:59.15 | oxez | Eulex: apt-setup doesn't ask me for testing, and I need an example for sources.list to modify it to use testing branch |
| 20:59.22 | Tortel | :O |
| 20:59.27 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 20:59.34 | takatumi | oxez: change all occurences of 'stable' to 'testing' |
| 20:59.35 | Tchiak | why don't you just use sources.list? |
| 20:59.40 | [FileFly] | Does debians package management system support deps? |
| 20:59.57 | drasko | Eulex, searching for Gnome gives me: gnome642pool/main/m/meta-gnome2/gnome_64_all.deb |
| 21:00.02 | Tchiak | isnt' testing sarge? |
| 21:00.03 | drasko | Second CD |
| 21:00.03 | pedro420 | nvz: is there a way to tell if this thing is using my soundcard |
| 21:00.04 | nvz | pedro420: donald the constable just brought me an old-skool gateway 2000 full-sized tower.. its like bigger than your kid.. I havent even bothered pluggin it in.. its a 150mhz |
| 21:00.08 | marstewel | Tchiak: testing = etch |
| 21:00.09 | blondie | Tchiak: no, stable is sarge |
| 21:00.12 | KoshNaranek | testing is 'etch' |
| 21:00.12 | bucky | [FileFly]: debians package management system support invented it |
| 21:00.15 | poop | Filefly: Debian has the most advanced package management, and has since the mid-90s |
| 21:00.19 | abrotman | drasko: 'gnome' is a metapackage |
| 21:00.21 | drasko | Eulex, It is not mentioning the third... |
| 21:00.21 | bucky | [FileFly]: in 1992 |
| 21:00.22 | nvz | pedro420: check lspci first, will tell you what PCI cards the kernel found |
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| 21:00.25 | n3o_X | does the debian net install support megatrends raid card? |
| 21:00.29 | [FileFly] | bucky, excellent =) thanks bud |
| 21:00.30 | Tchiak | @_@ |
| 21:00.38 | pedro420 | nvz: how do I do that ? |
| 21:00.41 | [FileFly] | and last question (for now anyways ;)) |
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| 21:00.48 | Eulex | drasko, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 21:00.48 | [FileFly] | If this is "yes" then you've got me =P |
| 21:00.48 | [FileFly] | lol |
| 21:00.52 | [FileFly] | SMP support? |
| 21:00.57 | oxez | alright thanks, updating :¸] |
| 21:01.03 | jeff__ | does anyone know if compaq boards are supported byt debian? i recently came across one and want to put it on my machine, but a friend said that it would most likely not be supported |
| 21:01.05 | [FileFly] | I have a HyperThreaded P4 ;) |
| 21:01.06 | nvz | pedro420: use the terminal grasshopper |
| 21:01.09 | myren | how do i pin by description |
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| 21:01.13 | Eulex | drasko, and you'll have to check all underlying packages too, to see if they are there |
| 21:01.14 | bucky | [FileFly]: if you apt-get an smp kernel yes |
| 21:01.24 | nvz | pedro420: you should just start using screen and irssi like everyone else, ffs |
| 21:01.31 | [FileFly] | bucky, ok i can live with that ;) |
| 21:01.46 | nvz | pedro420: why did you even bother learning to program if you never plan on learning to to use a pc? heh |
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| 21:01.58 | n3o_X | does the debian net install support megatrends raid card? |
| 21:02.13 | pedro420 | nvz: i don't know. My programmin is old skool shit man |
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| 21:02.27 | poop | n3o: That's a very specific question. You really want to find the .config for the kernel on the cd. |
| 21:02.30 | nvz | pedro420: no my programming is old skool. |
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| 21:02.53 | n3o_X | what do i do then poop? |
| 21:02.58 | pedro420 | nvz: yeah true. But who uses cobol and rpg still ? |
| 21:02.59 | nvz | pedro420: you actually went to school and learned quite a few programming basics.. basic, cobol, c.. |
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| 21:03.31 | GeniusDex | pedro420: you'd be surprised, a lot of company's don't want to transfer their COBOL apps to a sane language |
| 21:03.35 | GeniusDex | companies even |
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| 21:03.55 | zinx | duh, it costs money to do so |
| 21:04.00 | poop | n3o: read it |
| 21:04.06 | nvz | yeah caus nobody wants to read it |
| 21:04.07 | pedro420 | nvz: what do I type in terminal lspci | grep snd |
| 21:04.12 | n3o_X | i mean.. if it doesnt.. is there anyway to get to it? |
| 21:04.15 | n3o_X | or add it |
| 21:04.37 | stew | n3o_X: the installer kernel supports it |
| 21:04.37 | nvz | pedro420: if you want to get fancy with gnu grep I'd use grep Audio |
| 21:04.40 | poop | n3o: You'll have to compile a custom kernel |
| 21:05.05 | Eulex | nvz, grep -i Audio even |
| 21:05.06 | pedro420 | nvz: it just brings up the terminal line again |
| 21:05.08 | Jmax | how can i see all packages i have installed on a system? |
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| 21:05.24 | koshnaranek | synaptic |
| 21:05.28 | Eulex | Jmax, dpkg -l |
| 21:05.34 | Jmax | Eulex: thx |
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| 21:05.48 | Eulex | Jmax, dpkg -l| wc -l to count them :) |
| 21:05.54 | Jmax | heh yup |
| 21:05.55 | nvz | Eulex: yeay I removed the i inline because I second guessed it as beign unnessicary |
| 21:05.56 | Eulex | or, almost, at least |
| 21:06.00 | nvz | it probably was a good idea |
| 21:06.15 | nvz | pedro420: just lspci and it will show you all PCI devices |
| 21:06.16 | stew | Eulex: you mean dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l |
| 21:06.29 | Eulex | nvz, 0000:00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 21:06.34 | Eulex | stew, yep |
| 21:06.35 | bbrazil | stew: dpkg -l | grep -c ^ii |
| 21:06.39 | nvz | Eulex: :) |
| 21:06.40 | stew | right |
| 21:07.21 | pedro420 | nvz: what exactly am I lookin for ? |
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| 21:07.57 | koshnaranek | Eulex: hehe 'ls -aR /' will show you everything you want to know |
| 21:07.57 | koshnaranek | about what's installed (don't do it) |
| 21:08.15 | nvz | pedro420: an audio controller |
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| 21:08.24 | nvz | pedro420: if theres no sound card then your sound card is toast or unplugged or something |
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| 21:08.40 | lightbright | Jmax: try synaptic |
| 21:08.54 | Jmax | lightbright: gui? |
| 21:09.08 | pedro420 | nvz: nothin about audio unclassified device though |
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| 21:09.26 | nvz | pedro420: whats the whole line say on that one? |
| 21:09.41 | Sazpaimon | grrr, I cant figure this out |
| 21:09.48 | pedro420 | nvz: 0000:01:09.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: Performance Technologies, Inc.: Unknow n device 1321 |
| 21:09.50 | Sazpaimon | mysql is taking up a lot of ram |
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| 21:10.04 | Sazpaimon | and all my pages are loading ultra slow |
| 21:10.16 | Sazpaimon | on a 100 Mbps pipe, that doesnt make any sense |
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| 21:10.58 | abrotman | mysql sucks ? |
| 21:10.59 | pedro420 | nvz: Whats ISA bridge ? |
| 21:11.25 | lightbright | Jmax: synaptic is a gui yes |
| 21:11.25 | nvz | pedro420: in this case I would do a lspci -v | less, which pipes it into less so you can scroll (use 'q' to quit less). and the more -vvv you put on lspci the more verbose it becomes.. using two will tell you lots more for example |
| 21:11.36 | drasko | Guys, does anyone know for shre how cds do I have to fetch to have base Gnome installed. Looks like only CD1 |
| 21:11.41 | Jmax | lightbright: thanks |
| 21:11.47 | nvz | pedro420: you locate the section for 0000:01:09.0 and read the other info might give more hints |
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| 21:12.27 | mhall | nvz: that's one thing i hate about fucking windows; no decent way to probe pci when your shit's fucked up |
| 21:12.29 | nvz | pedro420: ISA bridge is the PCI device on the southbridge chip that connects old ISA (Industry Standard Architecture) devices |
| 21:12.31 | Eulex | koshnaranek, hehe, I know what that does. cat `find / *` is even better :) |
| 21:12.40 | mhall | nvz: thank god i quit using that heap of ship operating system |
| 21:12.44 | pedro420 | nvz : Subsystem: Ensoniq: Unknown device 1361 |
| 21:12.44 | pedro420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.45 | pedro420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.55 | djp | is a log kept when a program crashes? eye of gnome (the image viewer) crashed and i wanted to see if a log of the crash was created |
| 21:12.56 | nvz | mhall: heh. you can use the source and binarys on system internals in linux or windows |
| 21:13.03 | mhall | Eulex: when i can't find stuff i often do something like fgrep -ir keyword /etc |
| 21:13.03 | Jmax | i hate debian. and you know why? it makes my work take so little time that i have to spend most of it twiddling my thumbs or playing doom. :( |
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| 21:13.18 | mhall | Jmax: i feel much the same way |
| 21:13.20 | lightbright | Jmax: :) |
| 21:13.38 | aeronadix | Jmax, good one |
| 21:13.39 | nvz | pedro420: dont paste that much in here anymore. but if thats the same bus id number.. then thats your soundcard and something isnt right with it |
| 21:13.55 | Jmax | mhall: my boss just asked my how i upgraded mysql so quickly... all i did was `apt-get install mysql-server-4.1`, waited 20 seconds, and voila |
| 21:14.27 | pedro420 | nvz: my badd. Thats the same number |
| 21:14.32 | nvz | pedro420: if you ever want to paste a whole block of stuff you can do it on the web http://pastebin.com/ or better http://channels.debian.net/paste and then we can visit the link |
| 21:14.44 | drasko | Guys, does anyone know for shre how cds do I have to fetch to have base Gnome installed. Looks like only CD1? |
| 21:14.48 | pedro420 | nvz: oh okay |
| 21:14.54 | nvz | pedro420: one more line and you would have been kicked by the eggdrop bot, debhelper |
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| 21:15.26 | pedro420 | nvz: I don't want pissoff the debian gods |
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| 21:15.53 | nvz | pedro420: or the demigods |
| 21:16.08 | pedro420 | nvz: yea them too |
| 21:16.19 | takatumi | drasko: CD1 should be enough, won't you be getting a connection some time soon? |
| 21:16.40 | pedro420 | nvz: what could be worng with the sound card or is it toast ? |
| 21:16.58 | nvz | pedro420: its never happened to me |
| 21:17.01 | pedro420 | nvz: it don't seem to be unplugged |
| 21:17.12 | mhall | Jmax: ssh! do the upgrade in 5 min and then read for 55 |
| 21:17.26 | mhall | Jmax: if he gets the idea it's too easy he'll give you more to do |
| 21:17.34 | Jmax | mhall: exactly , except doom instead of reading :< |
| 21:17.40 | Jmax | lol |
| 21:17.48 | mhall | Jmax: :< ? why is it bad? |
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| 21:18.01 | Jmax | it's a double-edged sword |
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| 21:18.13 | Jmax | sometimes debugging crappy redhat setups can be fun.... not |
| 21:18.17 | nvz | pedro420: I would first check the obvious problems of taking it out and reseating it maybe in a different slot, and checking all grounds in the system.. pushing in all power wires firmly, and in your case checking the non-ul approved connection to the transmitter to make sure the 5v or 12v wires arent touching anything |
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| 21:18.42 | mhall | Jmax: ? |
| 21:18.57 | mhall | Jmax: this is the first time i heard somebody complain about having a relaxing job |
| 21:19.04 | mhall | Jmax: if you are bored learn a new programming language |
| 21:19.10 | Jmax | mhall: hah will do ;) |
| 21:19.17 | pedro420 | nvz: would the soundcard be the one that says audio |
| 21:19.31 | nvz | pedro420: yes |
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| 21:20.57 | pedro420 | nvz: how do i get it out, it seems stuck |
| 21:21.11 | blondie | that sounds... rude |
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| 21:22.08 | pedro420 | nvz; nevermind i got it, wht slot do i put it in ? |
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| 21:22.13 | nvz | pedro420: heh, you have unfasten it, might not be a screw on yours I have no idea.. I really dont have time now.. we can fuck with this other pc later.. it has onboard sound that works and if it supports a 1gha clock speed you're set |
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| 21:22.30 | nvz | pedro420: in like two more hours I'll have time |
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| 21:23.20 | nvz | I am not in a real big hurry the pc is ready to go.. I just installed flash and java and some themes.. going to copy some artwork from my pc too |
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| 21:23.49 | nvz | trying to come up with an ircnick and register it |
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| 21:24.35 | bucky | nzv how about zvn |
| 21:24.55 | nvz | bucky: not for me, for the person using the pc |
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| 21:25.19 | jbmigel | I have a directory full of file1, file2... and want to run "ps2pdf file1 file1.pdf" on each file. can this be done in 1 command line or do i need a batch file that i pass the filename into? |
| 21:25.30 | nvz | bucky: I want to setup my contact and the debian-gnome and other channels in the Buddy list |
| 21:26.00 | nvz | just doing last minute extra pre-configuration |
| 21:26.15 | nvz | people will never do anything you dont do for them |
| 21:26.17 | kingsley_ | jbmigel: Try this: for file in $(ls *) ; do ps2pdf $file $file.pdf ; done |
| 21:27.22 | kingsley_ | jbmigel: Or: for file in * ; do ps2pdf $file $file.pdf ; done |
| 21:27.36 | drasko | Hi all. How to create interface eth1. It should be my cable modem connected to usb? |
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| 21:27.46 | djp | is a log kept when a program crashes? eye of gnome (the image viewer) crashed and i wanted to see if a log of the crash was created |
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| 21:28.37 | punsad | djp: how bout /var/log/messages |
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| 21:28.51 | nvz | her name is registered already, I added an o to the end and its not taken, but it sounds kinda gay.. you could sing it |
| 21:29.01 | jbmigel | kingsley_ thanks man looks like its working good! |
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| 21:29.18 | nvz | should have asked if she had a nickname :P |
| 21:29.20 | djp | thanks punsad, i will check |
| 21:29.50 | Greatred | djp, also look to see if you have anything in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:29.54 | kingsley_ | jbmigel: You're welcome. You might be interested in #bash. |
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| 21:30.12 | djp | Greatred, will do |
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| 21:32.36 | mhall | Jmax: if you don't know awk, learn that and your job will be even more fun and easy |
| 21:32.48 | drasko | Hi all. How to create interface eth1. It should be my cable modem connected to usb? |
| 21:32.49 | mhall | nvz: what are you registering |
| 21:32.58 | Jmax | mhall: heh i'll do that |
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| 21:33.15 | mhall | Jmax: http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ |
| 21:33.29 | nvz | mhall: nothing yet I am still trying to think of something that doesnt sound dumb. trying to come up with a simple nickname for this person for IRC |
| 21:33.32 | punsad | anyone else run debian for desktop use on old equipment like me AMDK6-2, 256MB RAM. I find it excellent for server. But apps like firefox are slow. Don't remember it quit this slow when I ran Win98 on this box |
| 21:33.36 | mhall | Jmax: if you want an awk command i wrote that's fun try !list users |
| 21:33.47 | mhall | nvz: which person? i'm not fucking following |
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| 21:33.51 | Jmax | heh |
| 21:33.53 | pedro420 | nvz: I switched the soundcard to another slot. When it loads the kernel it says no soundcard found still |
| 21:33.58 | kjm | punsad : which win manager you use? |
| 21:34.32 | pedro420 | nvz: something about /ect/init/d-alsa or something like that |
| 21:34.34 | mhall | Jmax: the bot's ignoring me for a few days so i can't show you the factoid |
| 21:34.37 | kingsley_ | punsad: www.damnsmalllinux.org |
| 21:34.45 | nvz | mhall: I installed debian for this girl her windows was crashed and they didnt have a copy of windows, and wanted to pay to get it fixed, and when I gave them their options they wanted debian because it didnt cost as much :P |
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| 21:35.15 | nvz | they didnt give me a bootdisk to work with either, bastards :P |
| 21:35.17 | kjm | kingsley : he should be able to get the same footprint with debian. |
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| 21:35.27 | nvz | no fixie, you get debian |
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| 21:35.57 | pedro420 | nvz: could that mean my soundcard it fried ? |
| 21:36.04 | mhall | nvz: asshats |
| 21:36.14 | nvz | pedro420: its a possibility.. does it work in windows anymore? |
| 21:36.19 | abrotman | mhall: dpkg is toast |
| 21:36.39 | punsad | kjm: I've tried flwm |
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| 21:37.05 | mhall | abrotman: shitstick |
| 21:37.09 | pedro420 | nvz: I dunno should I check. |
| 21:37.23 | nvz | I guess I dont have to register it now, and she can change it.. but look at pedro.. I installed him like 4 months or so ago, and he still probably hasnt registered his nick |
| 21:37.30 | nvz | people wont do that shit unless you do it for em |
| 21:37.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.35 | mhall | Jmax: here you go: getent passwd | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9][0-9][0-9]:/ { print $1; }' |
| 21:37.45 | valdyn | punsad: firefox should work just find, though it might startup slow |
| 21:37.47 | mhall | nvz: mos. def. true |
| 21:37.48 | zenwryly | hmm, dpkg doesn't seem to be awake. Anyone know the url for pastes? |
| 21:37.52 | mhall | nvz: people are lazy |
| 21:37.58 | mhall | zenwryly: pastebin.ca i think |
| 21:38.01 | stew | mhall: you konw there is a -F parameter to awk |
| 21:38.06 | zenwryly | mhall: thanks |
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| 21:38.26 | nvz | mhall: registering is important I think. the staff prefers that regular users register.. you get options like memoserv and such,, |
| 21:38.41 | mhall | stew: yeah but that takes the fun out of it |
| 21:38.48 | mhall | nvz: i agree 100 fucking percent |
| 21:38.58 | nvz | heh |
| 21:39.10 | eurisko | ahh, i had edited /etc/resolv.conf but i ain't using the dns's i specified i have to do something else? |
| 21:39.15 | mhall | stew: the best awk hacks are those made on one line |
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| 21:39.28 | mhall | stew: however i did write a beautiful multi-line record processor in awk once |
| 21:39.37 | mhall | stew: using a big huge well commented script |
| 21:39.39 | zenwryly | mhall: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 21:41.23 | prock | I have an office phone plugged into a serial external modem... is there some way to communicate with my phone? for example I want to run a command every time my phone rings. (I don't have a regular pure phone line) |
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| 21:43.13 | mhall | zenwryly: any old arbitrary paste bin will work |
| 21:43.44 | takatumi | eurisko: man 5 dhclient.conf |
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| 21:44.04 | zenwryly | I'm having a problem using make-kpkg. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1137 Granted its been months and many many apt-get's since then. But I can't figure out what to do about this. |
| 21:44.14 | zenwryly | err, not since that paste |
| 21:44.21 | zenwryly | I mean since I last compiled a kernel |
| 21:44.30 | valdyn | prock: cat /dev/ttySX and let the phone ring |
| 21:44.44 | valdyn | prock: it should send a RING or somesuch iirc ( long ago i used modems ) |
| 21:45.04 | stew | zenwryly: why would you want to compile a 2.6.9 kernel? |
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| 21:45.32 | zenwryly | stew: because that's the latest 2.6 surce available from apt-get |
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| 21:45.52 | stew | zenwryly: 2.6.12 is available in testing a 2.6.14 in sid |
| 21:46.02 | mifritscher | hi |
| 21:46.11 | mifritscher | Problem with samba+LDAP: |
| 21:46.12 | mifritscher | SPNEGO login failed: Undetermined error |
| 21:46.12 | mifritscher | session setup failed: Call timed out: server did not respond after 20000 milliseconds |
| 21:46.13 | stew | zenwryly: if you are on stable then 2.6.8 is the latest |
| 21:46.25 | pedro420 | nvz: in windows it says no audio hardware detected |
| 21:46.30 | zenwryly | stew: cool, thanks for the info |
| 21:46.37 | stew | zenwryly: and 2.6.9 isn't available in any of them |
| 21:46.43 | zenwryly | stew: but do you really think that will change this problem? |
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| 21:46.52 | eyeris | Is there a list of problems compiled related to upgrading debian/testing from the 2.4 kernel to the 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:46.57 | nvz | pedro420: did you ever have the drivers installed and have sound working in windows? |
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| 21:46.58 | Silent_al | hi , im looking for a nice & easy tool to change mp3's bitrates . any ideas? |
| 21:47.10 | stew | zenwryly: i wouldn't be suprised of there was a problem compiling 2.6.9 with etch's gcc |
| 21:47.11 | eyeris | Silent_al, command line to X? |
| 21:47.22 | Silent_al | eyeris , could be nice |
| 21:47.24 | Silent_al | yeah |
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| 21:47.37 | eyeris | Silent_al, what could be nice? |
| 21:47.41 | zenwryly | stew: I have 2.6.9 available |
| 21:47.44 | zenwryly | stew: etch>? |
| 21:47.45 | pedro420 | nvz: at one point yea because when casey played the sims it had sound to it. |
| 21:47.46 | valdyn | zenwryly: etchs default gcc is gcc-4.0 i think, that one cannot compile 2.6.9 |
| 21:47.59 | valdyn | !info gcc etch |
| 21:48.19 | Silent_al | eyeris , a nice & easy tool to change mp3's bitrates , with or without gui |
| 21:48.22 | pedro420 | nvz: but now when I tried to run the esoniqs driver setup it says not all the file to run it are there |
| 21:48.30 | mhall | stew: i compile 2.6.14 with gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051111 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-4) from experi fucking mental |
| 21:48.37 | mhall | stew: did i mention i'm a crazy bastard |
| 21:49.07 | nvz | it was workin when I was there the other night |
| 21:49.29 | zenwryly | valdyn, stew: gcc -v gives me 3.3.6 |
| 21:49.35 | pedro420 | nvz: No like a few days before that it quit again |
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| 21:50.08 | pedro420 | nvz; or was it I can't remember It quit not that long ago |
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| 21:50.27 | Orborde | Where does module-assistant try to build shit from? |
| 21:50.34 | valdyn | zenwryly: you're not running testing |
| 21:50.36 | stew | zenwryly: when was the last time you ran apt-get update ? or apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:50.42 | mhall | alright time to go to the newly opened cheap alcohol store |
| 21:50.45 | mhall | w00t w00t |
| 21:50.47 | zenwryly | right before trying this |
| 21:50.49 | valdyn | zenwryly: you're running someting that once upon a time was testing |
| 21:50.56 | zenwryly | stew: just before |
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| 21:51.09 | pedro420 | nvz: all i did before was shut it down and the next time i booted it it was working fine then it quit again |
| 21:51.10 | stew | zenwryly: 2.6.9 isn't available in any dist. the current gcc in testing is 4.0 or 3.4 |
| 21:51.17 | zenwryly | valdyn: yes, I think my suystem is pretty mixed at this point |
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| 21:51.33 | bucky | 3.3.6 is still in testing |
| 21:51.36 | valdyn | zenwryly: you would probably need to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to get fix on testing |
| 21:51.49 | valdyn | bucky: sure but its not 'gcc' |
| 21:51.54 | zenwryly | valdyn: ok |
| 21:51.55 | bucky | but you have to link it to use it instead of 4.0 |
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| 21:52.10 | bucky | gcc --version |
| 21:52.17 | bucky | gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-7) |
| 21:52.18 | valdyn | zenwryly: im not recommending you to do that though.. |
| 21:52.24 | diana | Everytime I install a new kernel with apt-get or whatever...when my /boot/grub/menu.lst is updated...it takes out the lines for my windows xp partition...how can I make it not do that? |
| 21:52.32 | zenwryly | valdyn: why not? |
| 21:52.43 | zenwryly | valdyn: I should probably read up on what dist-upgrade does |
| 21:52.47 | valdyn | zenwryly: will break kde and whatever else |
| 21:52.48 | zenwryly | valdyn: always been foggy on that |
| 21:52.59 | bucky | i don't like 4.0 |
| 21:53.19 | bucky | but apt tries to force it on you |
| 21:53.30 | pedro420 | nvz: stop by later man if u want to, hopefully we can figure this thing out. |
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| 21:53.35 | eyeris | I'm running etch. In dselect, I try to select kernel-headers-2.4.27-11 for install then select kernel-headers-2.6.13+0rc3 for purge (I don't want to upgrade to 2.6 yet). dselect shows me a ton of dependancy problems revolving around libc6-dev. What package should I submit the bug for? |
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| 21:54.02 | eyeris | bucky, why don't you like 4? (not that you should, just curious)( |
| 21:54.17 | stew | eyeris: why do you think its a bug? |
| 21:54.33 | Bobson | does anyone know why the md5sums for the dvd images of Debian 3.1r0a i386 don't work? |
| 21:54.48 | eyeris | stew: well, libc6-dev doesn't specifically require kernel-headers-2.6.* |
| 21:55.06 | valdyn | eyeris: uh? why would it do that |
| 21:55.15 | Bobson | whe3n I check the file the MD%SUM matches it, but after I burn it the md5sum of the disc is different... |
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| 21:55.37 | eyeris | valdyn, why would what do what? |
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| 21:55.58 | bucky | eyeris: it's too new and it's mainly upgraded for 64bit compiling and it makes larger binaries and it doesn't match what the rest of my binaries where compiled with |
| 21:56.05 | kjm | Bobson: i'd think a bad burn |
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| 21:56.10 | valdyn | eyeris: you are mixing something up, linux-kernel-headers has about nothing to do with the headers of the kernel you are running |
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| 21:57.03 | Bobson | kjm, so how come two burns are bad in the same way wrt md5? |
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| 21:57.08 | valdyn | eyeris: so you DONT want to remove those 'kernel-headers-2.6.13+0rc3 ( which dont exist, they are called linux-kernel-headers ) |
| 21:57.10 | eyeris | valdyn, Then why does the linux-kernel-headers version number resemble the kernel version number? |
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| 21:57.13 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 21:57.39 | kjm | oh, 2 burns with same md5? but diff than .iso? |
| 21:57.45 | valdyn | eyeris: because they are taken from one kernel |
| 21:57.51 | stew | eyeris: dselect probabaly is trying to do dependency resolution related to some other previous request you made, not because of your current request to install/remove -headers packages |
| 21:58.04 | Bobson | kjm yup |
| 21:58.24 | RoundQube | i have a windows install on hdb1 and in my grub config i have rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 but when i boot and select windows from the grub list it just sits there after spitting out part of that windows config |
| 21:58.30 | valdyn | eyeris: in the end: linux-kernel-headers are used to compile _userspace_ things, kernel-headers are used to compile _kernel_ things |
| 21:58.31 | Bobson | of the debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso dvd image that I jigdoed |
| 21:58.31 | RoundQube | anyone know if (hd1,0) is incorrect? |
| 21:58.37 | eyeris | valdyn, Right, so if I have linux-kernel-headers version 2.6.13+0rc3 installed and I compile a program that uses the kernel headers, that program will not work with my 2.4 kernel, right? |
| 21:58.39 | stew | eyeris: i'd bet that no matter what package you try to install using dselect its going to try to do what its doing with libc6-dev |
| 21:58.44 | kjm | Bobson: that is weird. Have you done an integrity check on the DVD after burn? |
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| 21:59.50 | valdyn | eyeris: no, nonsense, programs dont look in /usr/include/linux ( where linux-kernel-headers are ), but in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 21:59.53 | Bobson | kjm I'll burn a third one |
| 22:00.08 | eyeris | stew, No, I just tried to purge libdns20, texinfo, and a few others and the libc6-dev dep screen didn't come up |
| 22:00.16 | valdyn | eyeris: s/programs/kernel modules/ |
| 22:00.21 | Bobson | kjm, with the integrity check it might take a while... |
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| 22:00.34 | diana | debian:/etc/rcS.d# hibernate |
| 22:00.34 | diana | Could not find required program "chvt". Aborting. |
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| 22:00.44 | diana | There is no chvt program in apt-cache search chvt |
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| 22:00.50 | eyeris | valdyn, Ok, thanks. |
| 22:01.11 | amphi | diana: console-tools |
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| 22:01.20 | diana | thanks amphi |
| 22:01.28 | kjm | If it was a bad burn : the md5's of either disc wouldn't match each other or the md5 for the iso file.....so, the fact that they match means (IMO) that the burn is fine....I'm not sure what's going on there. |
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| 22:02.21 | SerajewelKS | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 22:02.29 | SerajewelKS | now apt-get update refuses to download it again |
| 22:02.37 | SerajewelKS | how can i tell it to start over with that file? |
| 22:02.41 | eyeris | Now that I sorted that out, will etch ever default to a 2.6 kernel? If so, will I be able to keep running a 2.4 kernel and, if not, how long do I have? |
| 22:03.19 | SerajewelKS | nevermind... |
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| 22:04.27 | nvz | I got a problem when logging into gnome on sarge, several panel applets show desktop, workspace switcher.. etc die on startup with warning dialogs, but restart when asked. I am not sure why they do this |
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| 22:05.19 | snowowl | I think this may be of interest to some one. I have a netfinity 5300 (9 years old but cream of crop in its day) PII 266 and 64MB ram. I ran Damn small linux and it was ok, but it seems a full blown gnome 2.10 install with freebsd 6.0 ran smooth as silk. Is it gnome or FreeBSD that is responsible |
| 22:05.47 | kjm | both |
| 22:05.51 | iogui | alguem usa skype ai? |
| 22:05.53 | tolle | If I want to check what hosts a user has logged in from (the info should be in /var/log/wtmp, but the file is binary). How can i check it? |
| 22:06.02 | bbrazil | tolle: last |
| 22:06.06 | Bobson | kjm, I'm guesstimating that the images were not padded properly when they were created... |
| 22:06.39 | tolle | bbrazil: thanks |
| 22:07.07 | valdyn | eyeris: if debian sticks to its planned release schedule then 2.4 sure will be supported in the release, as far as i can see |
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| 22:07.19 | nvz | hmm its on file #338828 |
| 22:07.30 | nvz | !info gnome-panel sarge |
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| 22:07.47 | nvz | @info gnome-panel sarge |
| 22:08.02 | stew | valdyn: stick to the release schedule? what do you think the chances are? :) |
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| 22:08.32 | nvz | SimonRaven: your bot needs to lay off the drugs |
| 22:08.43 | kjm | Bobson: Could be. Then the image data should be fine i think. If your burn software pads the image to ~= 700 MB, then this may account for the discrepancy. |
| 22:08.44 | nvz | apt, info gnome-panel |
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| 22:08.54 | valdyn | stew: no idea till they announce what they want to include in that release |
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| 22:09.03 | nvz | SimonRaven: it got the dstats all wrong the other day, and now it says gnome-panel is not in sarge |
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| 22:09.13 | valdyn | stew: but... im optimist ) |
| 22:09.15 | nvz | apt_: info gnome-panel |
| 22:09.25 | Bobson | kjm, but I was hoping distro release people would know better than to not pad the iso images... |
| 22:09.37 | nvz | apt_: info gnome-panel sarge |
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| 22:09.43 | nvz | ffs :( |
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| 22:10.09 | kjm | Bobson: perhaps. But I would have no idea |
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| 22:10.27 | diana___ | amphi: I just add "resume2=swap:/dev/hda5 |
| 22:10.36 | diana___ | to any line on /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 22:10.46 | Bobson | kjm I started the third burn with k3b to check integrity post writing |
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| 22:10.53 | amphi | diana___: no, to the line beginning with 'kernel' |
| 22:11.07 | diana___ | k |
| 22:11.42 | amphi | diana___: you should really add it to the line # kopt so that grub will automatically append it to any stanza for a new kernel you may install |
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| 22:12.10 | diana___ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 resume2=swap:/dev/hda5 ro |
| 22:12.14 | diana___ | Like that amphi? |
| 22:12.29 | nvz | how do I like append a bug.. some idiot is doubting this bug exists and I want to confirm I got another system with it. running pure sarge no xorg as the idiot suspects |
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| 22:12.50 | amphi | diana___: no, not between 'root=/dev/hda2' and 'ro' |
| 22:12.54 | diana___ | amphi: I have to manually compile the new kernel with suspend2 support anyway....so it doesn't matter if I add a # kopt line...if I install a new kernel I have to add suspend2 anyway...so i remember the grub line. |
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| 22:13.07 | diana___ | amphi: At the end? |
| 22:13.08 | valdyn | nvz: mail <no>@bugs.debian.org iirc |
| 22:13.12 | amphi | diana___: yeah? |
| 22:13.18 | amphi | diana___: er, yeah |
| 22:13.22 | Bobson | kjm is it not right to expect a burned cd to check with the iso image md5sum? |
| 22:13.25 | nvz | valdyn: i guess I can use bugbuddy |
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| 22:13.41 | Bobson | kjm or a burned dvd as the case might be... |
| 22:13.46 | amphi | diana___: when you build the kernel, there's an option to specify the swap device in the kernel config, which obviates all this |
| 22:13.52 | kjm | Bobson: Yes it is right to assume that |
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| 22:14.20 | drasko | Hi all . how to add (create) eth1 interface with ifconfig. I want this interface to be for USB cable modem, with dynamic ip. How would the command go? |
| 22:14.24 | diana___ | amphi: I dunno I got the stock 2.6.14 patch from suspend2.net and it didn't do that. |
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| 22:14.43 | stew | diana___: if you edit that line directly your changes will be lost when you next run update-grub, you should be putting that in a "#kopt_2_6_14=" line, look for kopt in menu.lst |
| 22:14.59 | andy_ | I have a debian system with a broken libc6 |
| 22:15.17 | stew | andy_: what version of debian? what version of libc6? |
| 22:15.19 | valdyn | andy_: how did you break it? |
| 22:15.36 | andy_ | not sure what happened, really haven't messed with the system in a long time |
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| 22:15.46 | andy_ | actually it belongs to my father buy i set it up for him |
| 22:15.48 | andy_ | debian stable |
| 22:15.57 | neil_d | Hi I have two computers I can ssh a->b but not b->a I get an error message 'permission denied (publickey)' does anyone know what this means. |
| 22:15.58 | andy_ | did a apt-get upgrade |
| 22:16.08 | andy_ | said to run a dpkg --reconfigure -a |
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| 22:16.09 | stew | andy_: woody or sarge? |
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| 22:16.19 | andy_ | not sure |
| 22:16.25 | stew | andy_: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 22:16.27 | bbrazil | neil_d: a has been setup to only let you auth with a public key |
| 22:16.27 | andy_ | maybe half and half :) |
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| 22:17.01 | neil_d | bbrazil: do you mean a dsa key? |
| 22:17.08 | bbrazil | neil_d: yip - or rsa |
| 22:17.10 | zenwryly | I'm having a problem using make-kpkg. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1137 What's up with the i386 vs i486 bits? |
| 22:17.21 | andy_ | stew 3.0 |
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| 22:18.02 | valdyn | zenwryly: what did you do to fuck your gcc installation? |
| 22:18.03 | zenwryly | what is gnu system type vs gcc system type? |
| 22:18.13 | zenwryly | valdyn: I have no idea :) |
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| 22:18.27 | andy_ | anyhow, what i wonder is if there's a way to change my library path to a working libc6 and use dpkg again to install the working libc6 |
| 22:18.30 | carlinhos | hi there |
| 22:18.30 | andy_ | ? |
| 22:18.31 | bbrazil | zenwryly: as a guess reconfigure your kernel for 486 - should be among the first options |
| 22:18.31 | stew | andy_: 3.0 is not stable but is oldstable which means if you have "stable" in your sources.list you are mixing the two which is bad |
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| 22:18.36 | Bobson | kjm almost there |
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| 22:18.43 | neil_d | bbrazil: so I need to add my id_dsa.pub contents to the .ssh/known_hosts file? |
| 22:18.51 | zenwryly | bbrazil: its configured for k7 ATM |
| 22:18.53 | bbrazil | neil_d: no, authorized_keys |
| 22:18.57 | andy_ | well I got stable in sources.lst |
| 22:19.04 | nvz | valdyn: where <no> is f.e. 338823@bugs.debian.org? |
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| 22:19.23 | andy_ | i'd like to upgrade completly but the the broken libc6 it is proving to be very difficult |
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| 22:19.55 | stew | neil_d: make sure .ssh is chmod 700 and the files inside .ssh are chmod 600 |
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| 22:20.22 | valdyn | nvz: yea, let me check my old mails.. |
| 22:20.30 | stew | @debug sshd |
| 22:20.33 | carlinhos | im tryin to setup tls on exim4 (heavy) is on the file /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/03_exim4-config_tlsoptions where i must especify the tls configuration? thanks |
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| 22:20.38 | stew | ~debug sshd |
| 22:20.40 | apt | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: \"sshd -d -p 2222\". Then use \"ssh -p 2222 username@servername\" on the client. |
| 22:21.06 | stew | ~debug sshd =~ s#\\##g |
| 22:21.06 | apt | that doesn't contain '\\', stew |
| 22:21.13 | stew | ~debug sshd =~ s#\##g |
| 22:21.13 | apt | OK, stew |
| 22:21.21 | drasko | Hi all . how to add (create) eth1 interface with ifconfig. I want this interface to be for USB cable modem, with dynamic ip. How would the command go? |
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| 22:21.33 | caphuso | carlinhos: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.html, section 2.2 |
| 22:21.56 | neil_d | bbrazil: thanks fixed that :) |
| 22:21.57 | carlinhos | thnx a lot caphuso |
| 22:22.11 | magik | Do you have Debian3.1 |
| 22:22.12 | magik | ? |
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| 22:22.15 | stew | drasko: man interfaces |
| 22:22.21 | valdyn | nvz: yea, thats it, optionally you can use no-quiet to avoid notifying the maintainer i guess |
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| 22:23.49 | Bobson | kjm k3b said "the written image seems binary equal" |
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| 22:24.12 | kjm | Well, it would seem to me that your initial assumption is correct. |
| 22:24.44 | valdyn | carlinhos: which of both configuration methods did you choose for exim4 ? |
| 22:24.47 | kjm | If your burn is "binary equal" to the iso image, then the thing is bit by bit precisely correct. |
| 22:25.04 | Bobson | kjm I'm running md5sum on the dev with the third disc to see if its sum matches the first two... |
| 22:25.12 | kjm | kk |
| 22:25.52 | Bobson | kjm: k3b checks some ctrlsum or another thus it says "seems binary equal" |
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| 22:26.53 | andy_ | anybody have any ideas on the libc thing? |
| 22:27.07 | diana | amphi: I typed "hibernate" as root...and then a suspend2 terminal came up...and it said making copy writing cache or something like that...then it just said "making atomic copy" and it stayed there for like 10 minutes...so I did a hard shutdown and here I am now. |
| 22:27.08 | streuner | !any ideas |
| 22:27.13 | drasko | Here is my problem: I can go in Gnome and enable eth1, and meke it to be dhcp. When I do that, my cable modem connected via usb would work, and also my home LAN via eth0 ethernet card. How to do this operation from console? When I write ifconfig I don't even notice eth1... |
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| 22:28.12 | streuner | andy_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 22:28.23 | amphi | diana: dunno - swsusp works here, whatever version in in 2.6.11 |
| 22:28.50 | amphi | diana: 2.6.14.2 worked too, but acpi seems b0rked, so I've reverted |
| 22:29.03 | andy_ | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 22:29.07 | andy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.09 | andy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.24 | amphi | diana: I see nothing about 'atomic copy', so you must be using something different |
| 22:29.28 | streuner | andy_: show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 22:29.31 | streuner | !paster |
| 22:29.36 | streuner | !paste |
| 22:29.48 | zenwryly | hmm, when I "apt-get install gcc-3.4" I get "libc6-dev-amd64 lib64gcc1 amd64-libs-dev" as suggested. I was working on an amd64 system in a chroot, but may have confused the real system. But "dpkg -l | grep 64" returns nothing. Any other ways I might have confused my system? |
| 22:29.52 | neil_d | drasko: have you tried 'ifup eth1' |
| 22:30.02 | andy_ | streuner: that find but just so you know apt-get update wont run anyhow |
| 22:30.13 | andy_ | the problem is in fork.c so anything that forks is busted |
| 22:30.35 | blondie | use a spoon instead |
| 22:31.02 | Bobson | кйм тхирд дждр мдÑÑƒÐ¼Ñ Ñаме Ð°Ñ Ñ„Ð¸Ñ€ÑÑ‚ тво нот еÑуал то тхе имаге мд5Ñум... |
| 22:31.09 | blondie | erm? |
| 22:31.11 | streuner | Why doesn't apt response? |
| 22:31.12 | poop | nice |
| 22:31.12 | koshnaranek | hrm |
| 22:31.15 | streuner | or dpkg? |
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| 22:31.22 | Eulex | Bobson, goto #debian.ru or something |
| 22:31.27 | streuner | dondelelcaro: you bot sucks |
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| 22:31.41 | koshnaranek | why does that look like crap? |
| 22:31.46 | Bobson | kjm third dvdr md5sums same as first two not equal to the image md5sum... |
| 22:31.46 | blondie | cos it is |
| 22:31.51 | streuner | andy_: /j #flood |
| 22:31.55 | diana | amphi: I just got the suspend2 tarball from suspend2.net |
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| 22:32.16 | diana | amphi: http://www.suspend2.net/downloads/all/suspend2-2.2-rc11-for-2.6.14.tar.bz2 |
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| 22:32.34 | drasko | neil_d, no. wht ifup shoul give? |
| 22:32.48 | kjm | Bobson: Well. Third times a charm. I think the only reasonable explanation would be the image file is padded or something. |
| 22:32.57 | koshnaranek | i get that with C-? keybinding text in help files sometimes |
| 22:33.07 | neil_d | drasko: Just a thought, do you want this to happen at boot? |
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| 22:33.43 | amphi | diana: does the 'normal' one not work for you? |
| 22:34.26 | diana | amphi: I've never got suspend2 to ever work. |
| 22:34.29 | Vantage__ | hi, I was upgrading a debian unstable machine from hotplug to udev/hald and somehow all the permissions in dev got messed up (hdc for the cdrom is gone, random is 660 instead of 666, same with null and all the tty's...) and idea how to fix the permissions to the default debian permissions (and recreate the missing devices) |
| 22:34.30 | dimm0k | is it possible to have it so when i plug in a usb drive, it gets forced to be recognized as sde instead of the next available letter? |
| 22:34.31 | diana | amphi: What is the "normal" one? |
| 22:34.38 | ultraviolet16 | how do I find out what bus my cdrom is in scsi? |
| 22:34.45 | amphi | diana: the one in the vanilla kernel |
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| 22:34.59 | drasko | neil_d, yes. |
| 22:35.01 | diana | amphi: You want me to try the vanilla kernel? |
| 22:35.06 | gpm | hey, when i rip tracks in german (with umlauts and the like) they come out as a bunch of nasty characters instead of what they ought to....what can i do to fix this? i'm using en_US as my locale if that helps. |
| 22:35.07 | servus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.10 | servus | at UltraSub |
| 22:35.11 | amphi | diana: which is presumably suspend1 or suspend0 |
| 22:35.15 | servus | ultraviolet16 I Mean. Blah. |
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| 22:35.16 | valdyn_ | dimm0k: i wouldnt advise you to do that, better use some custom device name, however its possible |
| 22:35.17 | drasko | neil_d, It shoul be my internet connection |
| 22:35.22 | ultraviolet16 | got ya thanks |
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| 22:35.32 | amphi | diana: or whatever kernel source you use |
| 22:35.48 | diana | amphi: I just did apt-get install linux-source-2.6.14 |
| 22:35.57 | arn | is it possible to execute shutdown using non-root account ? |
| 22:35.59 | neil_d | drasko: have a look at the file "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1" there should be a line "ONBOOT=yes" |
| 22:36.02 | ultraviolet16 | servus: My cdrom is on ide though, i am trying to run cdrecord.. |
| 22:36.07 | dimm0k | valdyn_, how do i go about using a custom device name? |
| 22:36.15 | ultraviolet16 | but it's asking for a scsi target |
| 22:36.17 | servus | ultraviolet16: What is your kernel version? |
| 22:36.19 | amphi | diana: FWIW, I run vanilla kernels with varying success, viz. my acpi problem with 2.6.14.2 |
| 22:36.24 | ultraviolet16 | 2.6 |
| 22:36.26 | koshnaranek | arn: you can use sudo |
| 22:36.29 | poop | What's an /etc/sysconfig? |
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| 22:36.38 | servus | OK, then I think you can use your IDE device straight-up, ultraviolet16 |
| 22:36.55 | ultraviolet16 | ok let me try that.. |
| 22:37.00 | servus | Or you can do cdrecord --scan-devices or something. Check the man for "scan" |
| 22:37.05 | koshnaranek | poop: Fedora? |
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| 22:37.49 | ulughbegh | hi |
| 22:37.58 | gpm | anyone? |
| 22:38.03 | gpm | hey, when i rip tracks in german (with umlauts and the like) they come out as a bunch of nasty characters instead of what they ought to....what can i do to fix this? i'm using en_US as my locale if that helps. |
| 22:38.04 | ultraviolet16 | servus: thanks a lot, it worked ;) |
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| 22:38.30 | ulughbegh | i want reinstall all dependencies a software even it is installed. can you help me? |
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| 22:38.35 | ultraviolet16 | i' burning knoppix to see if I can get xwindows running on my laptop.. |
| 22:38.43 | ulughbegh | apt solution for this |
| 22:38.46 | poop | Anyone want to guess what sources line I need for this url? http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/debian/unstable/ |
| 22:38.51 | valdyn_ | dimm0k: i dont know, read the udev documentation /etc/udev/ should have examples |
| 22:38.54 | neil_d | drasko: sorry wrong computer just trying to find the correct file on my debian install |
| 22:39.01 | poop | I can never seem to figure them out for non-standard layouts |
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| 22:39.27 | drasko | neil_d, writing ifconfig shows me only eth0 for now... Does that meen that Debian can not notice my USB cable modem, just my ethernet card connected to other computer? How to fix that? |
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| 22:40.07 | poop | gpm: en_US sounds like the wrong locale |
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| 22:40.27 | roral | poop: deb http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/debian/unstable/ ./ |
| 22:41.00 | RoundQube | is hdb1 equal to (hd1,0) in grub? i can't get windows to boot of my slave drive |
| 22:41.21 | RoundQube | rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 is there anyhing else im missing? |
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| 22:42.10 | servus | Neato, ultraviolet16. |
| 22:42.25 | roral | poop: you just need ./ for repositories that don't use the distribution-tree system |
| 22:42.28 | poop | roral: I tried that one earlier, but I'm thinking their Packages file is hosed, since it's trying to fetch debian/unstable/unstable/package |
| 22:42.34 | roral | hmm. |
| 22:42.37 | drasko | Ubuntu detects both network card and cable modem and asks me whether I want to use eth0 or eth1. I choose eth1 and the USB cable modem is connected during the Ubuntu installation process. But with Debian I have problem -- how to enable this from console? |
| 22:42.39 | valdyn_ | gpm: using en_US as locale is a bad idea, use UTF-8 |
| 22:42.49 | valdyn_ | gpm: en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 22:43.11 | koshnaranek | drasko: tried dpkg-reconfigure etherconf? |
| 22:43.18 | neil_d | drasko: don't know anything about USB modems, I have my cable modem connect by ethernet (it has an internal firewall etc). Can yours be connected by ethernet instead. |
| 22:43.20 | roral | poop: yes, it clearly is. It's expecting files to be in unstable/ and such. Which is wrong |
| 22:43.21 | Gokee2 | hey all I want to draw a line of 5 inches a point at 3.5 in the middle above the line a arc of to the point from both sides of the line. Make the arc into a whole circle and draw another biger circle around that.... Can anyone sugest a program to do this with? |
| 22:43.21 | valdyn_ | gpm: your ripping tool however should have its way(s) to define charsets though |
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| 22:44.29 | poop | feh |
| 22:44.40 | roral | poop: for instance, on the first one it says "Filename: unstable/libiec61883-dev_1.0.0-2_i386.deb" ;) And the unstable directory doesn't exist |
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| 22:44.58 | roral | so, yeah |
| 22:45.03 | valdyn_ | Gokee2: sodipodi |
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| 22:45.51 | zenwryly | I'm having trouble sorting through the amd64 sitch right now. https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html says that the only way to run 32bit applications is in a chroot. THen throught the unofficial unstable jigdo ISO listings, I found ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/jigdo/debian-32-amd64-binary-1.jigdo Does this installer install a system that needs a chroot to run 32b |
| 22:45.51 | zenwryly | it apps? |
| 22:45.59 | ultraviolet16 | eject |
| 22:46.04 | ultraviolet16 | oops |
| 22:46.07 | Gokee2 | valdyn_, ok thanks |
| 22:46.15 | valdyn_ | zenwryly: why not just use debian/i386 ? |
| 22:46.18 | cheal | zenwryly: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 22:46.30 | zenwryly | cheal: right, sorry forgot about them |
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| 22:47.32 | drasko | neil_d, no, this ethernet card is taken for home LAN, for my brothers computer... I wnt to share internet from USB cable modem via ethernet card eth0 to another computer in my home. Problem is thatDebian just recognize this eth0 card, and not eth1 card which shoul be my usb cable modem which is providing internet link... |
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| 22:48.10 | kjm | drasko - the usb uplink |
| 22:48.18 | drasko | kjm, ? |
| 22:48.19 | kjm | != eth1. |
| 22:48.41 | drasko | kjm, can you tell me anything about it? |
| 22:48.47 | neil_d | drasko: by eth1 card do you mean a physical card? |
| 22:49.00 | kjm | neil_d: no the signal is coming through usb |
| 22:49.07 | drasko | neil_d, no, interface |
| 22:49.32 | drasko | neil_d, yes, the signal is coming via usb |
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| 22:51.14 | nixie | hmm. would anyone know whether a normal user is or isnt able to listen to traffic sent to the broadcast address of an interface? |
| 22:51.29 | nixie | and if not, how to allow it if possible? |
| 22:51.29 | drasko | kjm, see, in Ubuntu in Gnome I could go to network settings and enable eth1 interface and set it to be dhcp. After that internet would work, even though it is coming via usb cable modem. I just don't know how to do this in Debian from console... Any idea? |
| 22:51.35 | neil_d | drasko: OK, here is one thing that might work, no a 'lsmod' and note what modules are working, startup the interface with gnome and then redo the 'lsmod' you should find some extra modules working, then reboot (or something) and try usint 'insmod <name>' see if your USB modem works. |
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| 22:52.31 | kjm | drasko : it is a bit beyond my knowledge. But, I'm googling around. neil_d's response looks like a good starting point. |
| 22:52.36 | nixie | ah. n/m me. wrong port |
| 22:52.53 | drasko | neil_d, so you are saying that I just have to insert some modules for cable modem to work, and not tweek nothing with interfaces? |
| 22:52.55 | Bobson | kjm where do i report my md5 problem? |
| 22:53.18 | kjm | Bobson: I would contact the maintainer of the iso you downloaded. |
| 22:53.29 | kjm | Or, perhaps file a bug report through bugzilla |
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| 22:53.48 | drasko | Anyway -- I do not have Ubuntu and Gnome right now. I just have Debian with console, no X and no network :( |
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| 22:53.54 | lueir | hi everyone |
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| 22:54.03 | ziupiu | hi |
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| 22:54.15 | lueir | anygirl into here?? |
| 22:54.16 | neil_d | drasko: The modules I expect the modules to be your interface, like you need the <usb-storage> module to access pen drives. |
| 22:54.38 | neil_d | drasko: Not certain though |
| 22:55.13 | poop | lueir: wanna cyber?! |
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| 22:55.28 | poop | Was it something I said? |
| 22:55.37 | neil_d | kjm: I can't seem to find 'insmod' have I got the command correct? |
| 22:55.56 | kjm | lsmod |
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| 22:56.21 | drasko | neil_d, so then we can suspect that enabling eth1 in Gnome an setting it for dhcp has just the effect of loading some modules, and not acctualy sett something about some interfaces? |
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| 22:57.21 | diana | When I try to start firefox nothing happens...but it doesn't give me any error..how can I see what the error is? |
| 22:57.31 | valdyn_ | diana: start it in a shell |
| 22:57.51 | valdyn_ | diana: start it in a terminal even |
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| 22:58.03 | diana | valdyn_: I did that. |
| 22:58.06 | diana | valdyn_: nothing |
| 22:58.07 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 22:58.08 | dpkg | hello, streuner |
| 22:58.10 | nvz | su |
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| 22:58.22 | kjm | diana : check error logs in /var |
| 22:58.33 | valdyn_ | diana: what nothing? it will at least return or get stuck or something |
| 22:58.58 | diana | valdyn_: nothing |
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| 22:59.45 | neil_d | drasko: I don't know, but you will most likely need the modules going to get any futher, and it might solve your problem compleatly. |
| 23:00.33 | valdyn_ | diana: run 'strace -eopen mozilla-firefox' and paste the last few lines ( dont paste them in this channel ) |
| 23:00.43 | dli | diana, also, "which firefox" |
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| 23:00.45 | neil_d | drasko: the command to start the modules seems to be 'modprobe' |
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| 23:00.57 | Diggity | guys is there a way to view (or generate) a list of all installed packages so i can do some clean up and uninstall the packages i no longer use? |
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| 23:01.10 | diana | dli: 1.5rc3 |
| 23:01.11 | valdyn_ | Diggity: dpkg -l |
| 23:01.12 | drasko | neil_d, I know that :) |
| 23:01.25 | dli | Diggity, use aptitude |
| 23:01.30 | nvz | Diggity: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i, dselect, aptitude, synaptic |
| 23:01.31 | holy_cow | http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/11/msg00066.html <-- oh *bling* *bling* |
| 23:01.43 | drasko | neil_d, thanks a lot I'll go and try... |
| 23:01.43 | holy_cow | yey for intel? |
| 23:01.43 | holy_cow | wow |
| 23:01.48 | neil_d | drasko: I haven't done much with USB myself. |
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| 23:02.08 | Diggity | thanks guys |
| 23:02.35 | karsten | What's the command to force kernel reloading of the partition table after modifying it (eg: through fdisk, cfdisk, etc.) |
| 23:02.57 | gpm | valdyn_: how do i set my locale? is it in .bashrc (using bash)? i don't know how to set user locales... |
| 23:03.00 | marculix | someone and idea howto bring an object in xfig into background or foreground? |
| 23:03.01 | ziupiu | karsten, fdisk -z |
| 23:03.07 | diana | kjm: There are no logs in /var about firefox. |
| 23:03.18 | karsten | ziupiu: No such option. |
| 23:03.28 | dli | karsten, just remount the partitions |
| 23:03.30 | karsten | diana: grep is your friend. |
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| 23:03.45 | karsten | dli: I'm trying to create LVMs on it. |
| 23:03.54 | kjm | diana : no, but check the usual suspects for firefox entries ^^ grep is your friend |
| 23:04.56 | karsten | dli, ziupiu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1138 |
| 23:05.07 | diana | karsten: debian:/var/log# cat dmesg|grep -i firefox |
| 23:05.10 | diana | debian:/var/log# |
| 23:05.16 | nvz | hmm I wonder if somehow the panel applets in this bug are loading before the panel or something that is making them crash |
| 23:05.18 | karsten | diana: misfire! |
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| 23:05.27 | diana | debian:/var/log# cat messages|grep -i firefox |
| 23:05.28 | diana | debian:/var/log# |
| 23:05.31 | valdyn_ | gpm: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:05.36 | tdn_ | I have this VIA Mini-ITX box and I want to install some gui without getting a large amount of packages... I tried apt-get install gnome, but that was >600M. I have really slow internet here, so I would like to get something small like openbox. I have already installed openbox, but now I need X to work. What to do? (without getting a huge amount of data?) |
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| 23:05.45 | gpm | do i have to log in/out after that? |
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| 23:06.20 | poop | tdn: X is huge |
| 23:06.26 | karsten | tdn_: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 23:06.30 | nvz | I bet I can hack a quick workaround by either writing an xsession or killall gnome-panel but thats not really fixing the problem |
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| 23:06.54 | karsten | tdn_: ... IIRC. If you're just using this client-side, and are displaying remotely, you can get by with just the clients, not X server itself. |
| 23:06.55 | dli | tdn_ apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 23:06.59 | tdn_ | poop: yes. But I want to install the smallest I can then :) |
| 23:07.02 | Hoobaa | Hey i was just wondering - if i wanted to search for all files name "xxxxx.xx" and then wanted to delete them all |
| 23:07.06 | karsten | tdn_: What dli said. |
| 23:07.07 | Hoobaa | How would i do that? |
| 23:07.20 | blondie | xargs |
| 23:07.23 | karsten | Hoobaa: find . -name xxxx.xx -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 23:07.26 | blondie | or the find exec thing |
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| 23:07.43 | karsten | Hoobaa: Possibly 'rm -rf' if they're directories. Use with caution. Dynamite and lit fuses. |
| 23:07.53 | tdn_ | karsten: I have only one computer on my network so I can't run the x server on another system. |
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| 23:08.12 | valdyn_ | gpm: yea, or use 'su - username' |
| 23:08.13 | karsten | tdn_: OK. |
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| 23:08.33 | ziupiu | karsten, sorry, was hdparm -z |
| 23:08.39 | blockd | Hoobaa: something like "find /base/directory -name 'xxxxx.xx' -exec rm {} \;" |
| 23:08.45 | valdyn_ | tdn_: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:08.46 | karsten | ziupiu: You rock! |
| 23:08.52 | karsten | !ziupiu++ |
| 23:09.12 | ziupiu | karsten, thanks ;) |
| 23:09.13 | watermix | I installed the 'php4' package, but Apache doesn't parse *.php files when a browser requests them; can anyone suggest why? |
| 23:09.20 | Hoobaa | karsten : find . -name xxx.xxx is not showing anything |
| 23:09.26 | diana | karsten? |
| 23:09.39 | karsten | diana? |
| 23:09.44 | blockd | Hoobaa: what are your exact arguments to "find"? |
| 23:09.47 | tdn_ | valdyn_, dli: ok. |
| 23:09.51 | diana | karsten: I can't find any errors that firefox is outputting |
| 23:09.52 | karsten | Hoobaa: What specifically are you looking for? |
| 23:09.57 | diana | There is nothing about firefox at all |
| 23:10.23 | karsten | Hoobaa: To find all files with, say, four letters, then three letters: find . -name \?\?\?\?.\?\?\? |
| 23:10.27 | karsten | Hoobaa: man find. |
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| 23:10.36 | Hoobaa | looking for a txt file with a specific name, theres about 300 of them and i want to delete them all |
| 23:10.53 | karsten | Hoobaa: What's the name? |
| 23:10.53 | Bobson | kjm i just send it to debian-cd@lists |
| 23:10.57 | bucky | Hoobaa: what's the name of the file? |
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| 23:11.13 | ziupiu | watermix, is it linked in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/? |
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| 23:11.38 | valdyn_ | diana: why would firefox have a log file? every error it reports ends up in the terminal you start it from |
| 23:11.38 | karsten | ziupiu: Hrm. The partition device file doesn't exist either ;-) |
| 23:11.47 | bucky | Hoobaa: *porn.jpg ? |
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| 23:11.52 | watermix | ziupiu: It's not apache2 |
| 23:11.57 | tga | I am using a Dutch Sun type6 USB keyboard that has symbol keys in weird places.. any idea how I can switch to the standard layout? |
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| 23:12.11 | Hoobaa | the file is starter.pid |
| 23:12.17 | kjm | Bobson: that'll probably get you an answer :) Sorry I couldn't be more useful |
| 23:12.53 | watermix | ziupiu: But the following appears in /etc/apache/modules.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 23:13.08 | karsten | ziupiu: Hrmm.... Still not happy . |
| 23:13.24 | speedy | i was on Xfree86, made apt dist-upgrade, i have xorg installed now, but it doesnt work, how can i rollback to xfree86? |
| 23:13.37 | gpm | valdyn_: ok. i just ripped a track with an umlaut in the title. it shows up normally in nautilus, but if i ls in bash it shows ?? where a u with umlaut should be...am i missing something? |
| 23:13.39 | valdyn_ | speedy: restore from backup |
| 23:13.46 | drasko | can anyone explain to me this command: route add -host 255.255.255.255 dev eth0 |
| 23:13.57 | valdyn_ | gpm: which terminal are you using? |
| 23:14.00 | speedy | i have no backup |
| 23:14.04 | gpm | valdyn_: gnome-terminal |
| 23:14.12 | karsten | Hoobaa: find . -name starter.pid |
| 23:14.16 | karsten | Hoobaa: ... should list 'em, no? |
| 23:14.20 | Bobson | kjm, np! |
| 23:14.37 | karsten | !rollback |
| 23:14.38 | |dennis| | I don't think so...... karsten ..behave... |
| 23:14.38 | gpm | valdyn_: the ?? shows up in the VCs too though. |
| 23:14.47 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 23:14.47 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 23:14.58 | karsten | |dennis|: ?? |
| 23:14.58 | Bobson | kjm, I needed some1 to confirm my paranoya was not imaginary, and you did just that. :) |
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| 23:15.28 | valdyn_ | gpm: whats your LC_ALL set to in that gnome-terminal ? |
| 23:15.31 | speedy | gpm no doesnt work after the dist-upgrade |
| 23:15.37 | Hoobaa | karsten : no its not finding em thats the problem :) |
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| 23:15.55 | gpm | valdyn_: US.UTF-8 |
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| 23:16.06 | speedy | seems it cant see /dev/psaux because am getting permission denied on that device |
| 23:16.10 | watermix | Hoobaa: Try 'find . -name starter.pid' |
| 23:16.13 | bucky | karsten: is he trying to kill processes by removing pid files? |
| 23:16.13 | speedy | how can i fix it? |
| 23:16.15 | valdyn_ | gpm: that's not valid.. |
| 23:16.15 | ersdfeef | How can I tell how much RAM Debian thinks I have? GNOME System Monitor says I have 938 megabytes but I truly have 1024. How do I ensure these megabytes are all available to the operating system? |
| 23:16.25 | valdyn_ | gpm: where did you set that? or was that a typo? |
| 23:16.26 | blockd | Hoobaa: you could always use "locate" to see where they are, and then use "find" in the correct base directory |
| 23:16.34 | gpm | valdyn_: typo. i set it in bashrc |
| 23:16.40 | dondelelcaro | ersdfeef: you don't have high memory support on in your kernel |
| 23:16.41 | watermix | Hoobaa: I mean 'find / -name starter.pid' |
| 23:16.45 | tga | ersdfeef, do you have an onboard video card by any chance? |
| 23:16.54 | valdyn_ | gpm: well, dont set it manually, if anything it should be en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:16.59 | ersdfeef | tga: no. dondelelcaro, how do I enable that? |
| 23:17.02 | karsten | Hoobaa: Where are the files? Are they under your present directory or on another tree? |
| 23:17.18 | karsten | Hoobaa: In which case: find <path> starter.pid |
| 23:17.21 | bucky | ersdfeef: free will tell you.. but it sounds like you compiled your own kernel without highmem support or haven't upgraded from the install kernel |
| 23:17.23 | dondelelcaro | ersdfeef: either install a kernel with it on, or set it on in your kernel configuration |
| 23:17.24 | karsten | bucky: NFC. |
| 23:17.31 | ziupiu | karsten, try setting partition id to 0x8e |
| 23:17.44 | gpm | valdyn_: that did the trick. so it was just bash that needed some fixing. |
| 23:17.52 | karsten | blockd: s/always/usually, if slocate is installed and has run recently/ |
| 23:17.56 | karsten | ziupiu: How? |
| 23:17.59 | drasko | can anyone explain to me this command: route add -host 255.255.255.255 dev eth0 |
| 23:18.03 | ersdfeef | dondelelcaro: where is my kernel configuration? bucky: I apt-got kernel 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 |
| 23:18.05 | ziupiu | karsten, fdisk |
| 23:18.07 | tdn_ | Is there a console based easy-to-use imap-ssl client out there for Debian? (if imap-ssl is impossible to get, regular imap will do) |
| 23:18.13 | valdyn_ | gpm: there's not need for you to set locales in .bashrc, dpkg-reconfigure locales does it all for you |
| 23:18.22 | ersdfeef | I mean I'm using that kernel now, so it's not self-compiled or default. |
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| 23:18.29 | gpm | valdyn_: but, in xmms the nastiness shows up on the playlist... |
| 23:18.31 | blockd | karsten: true, but it's a good idea to cronjob it |
| 23:18.33 | dondelelcaro | ersdfeef: /boot/config-yourkerneluname |
| 23:18.33 | valdyn_ | gpm: ( unless you want to have different users use different locales ) |
| 23:18.40 | Hoobaa | find / -name starter.pid worked |
| 23:18.49 | dondelelcaro | ersdfeef: to change it, you have to install one with highmem on, or build your own. |
| 23:19.00 | karsten | blockd: It is cronjobbed if you install it. Just that you need to run the cron.daily script on installation, doesn't just happen immediately ;-) |
| 23:19.03 | karsten | ziupiu: OK. |
| 23:19.07 | gpm | valdyn_: any clue why xmms won't work like nautilus and bash do? |
| 23:19.22 | dondelelcaro | ersdfeef: probably with CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 23:19.39 | valdyn_ | gpm: not sure, however xmms is gtk1 based , which doesnt support UTF-8 iirc |
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| 23:19.49 | gpm | valdyn_: sucks :( |
| 23:19.51 | ersdfeef | dondelelcaro: so if I change that file, it won't matter? How do I ensure that a kernel has highmem support activated without self-compiling? I apt-got this one and I didn't see one that talked about having high memory enabled. |
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| 23:20.16 | karsten | ziupiu: FWIW: hdparm -z gives: BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy |
| 23:20.21 | valdyn_ | gpm: try beep-media-player, it's probably mature enough for you. and uses xmms skins |
| 23:20.33 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: hello, how are you today? |
| 23:20.38 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: find... |
| 23:20.39 | bucky | ersdfeef: what does cat /boot/config-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 |grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G say? |
| 23:20.41 | dondelelcaro | s/find/fine/ |
| 23:20.56 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: thats great :) |
| 23:21.00 | karsten | ziupiu: I'm googling. |
| 23:21.08 | blockd | karsten: not arguing, but you can update it manually, which can be more useful than searching from the root directory if you need to search again for something else |
| 23:21.58 | ersdfeef | bucky: it says bash: /boot/config-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8: Permission denied |
| 23:22.01 | ersdfeef | ^_^ |
| 23:22.16 | bucky | ersdfeef: su to root or use sudo if you have it |
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| 23:22.37 | valdyn_ | ersdfeef: you are trying to execute that file? |
| 23:23.03 | bucky | valdyn_: he's trying to see if highmem support was compiled into his kernel |
| 23:23.12 | ersdfeef | I tried root, same thing. I can read it in gedit though, and find says that "The text highmem was not found". valdyn_, no, I used the grep command bucky suggest |
| 23:23.14 | bucky | cat /boot/config-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 |grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 23:23.17 | valdyn_ | bucky: yea, but /boot/ is readall |
| 23:23.46 | bucky | ok.. ersdfeef which version of debian are you using? |
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| 23:24.05 | valdyn_ | !useless use of cat |
| 23:24.06 | dpkg | methinks useless use of cat is http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/era/unix/award.html, or ask me about <uuoc> |
| 23:24.20 | bucky | i like using cat |
| 23:24.23 | ziupiu | karsten, uh, hdparm doesn't work with scsi disks |
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| 23:24.48 | bucky | BTW http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/era/unix/award.html is a bad link |
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| 23:24.50 | bucky | $)$ |
| 23:24.53 | roby | Is there a linux command similar to nbtstat in windows? |
| 23:25.00 | dondelelcaro | ziupiu: what, like this? sudo hdparm -v /dev/sda...readonly = 0 (off) |
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| 23:25.22 | valdyn_ | roby: what does nbtstat do? |
| 23:25.34 | pureone | smbclient ? |
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| 23:25.49 | blockd | I think useless use of a cat was from randal schwarz in sone shell or scripting newsgroup |
| 23:25.51 | ersdfeef | bucky, etch |
| 23:25.59 | blockd | s/sone/some/ |
| 23:26.11 | bucky | ersdfeef: amd64 ? |
| 23:26.16 | nvz | I thought I had this running in screen, but I guess not |
| 23:26.17 | ersdfeef | bucky, yes |
| 23:26.22 | karsten | ziupiu: Crap. |
| 23:26.23 | valdyn_ | haha |
| 23:26.27 | karsten | ziupiu: Any other ideas? |
| 23:26.37 | valdyn_ | ersdfeef: why would amd64 use highmem? |
| 23:26.47 | ziupiu | karsten, reboot ? ;) |
| 23:26.56 | bucky | ersdfeef: ls /boot/config-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 is there a file in there? |
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| 23:27.30 | roby | valdyn_: lists other windows machines that my host has communicated with recently via samba |
| 23:27.32 | ersdfeef | valdyn_, I don't know, I said, "How can I tell how much RAM Debian thinks I have? GNOME System Monitor says I have 938 megabytes but I truly have 1024. How do I ensure these megabytes are all available to the operating system?" and dondelelcaro said, "you don't have high memory support on in your kernel" |
| 23:27.46 | roby | valdyn_: well, the windows command lists other windows machines it has communicated with recently along with their ipt ables |
| 23:27.46 | tga | I am using a Dutch Sun type6 USB keyboard that has symbol keys in weird places.. any idea how I can switch to the standard layout? |
| 23:27.50 | ziupiu | dondelelcaro, yes, but some options of hdparm work with ATA disks only |
| 23:27.54 | roby | valdyn_: ip addresses rather |
| 23:27.59 | caphuso | valdyn_: stupid question, for more than 2000 exabytes of RAM ;-) |
| 23:28.07 | dondelelcaro | ziupiu: sure |
| 23:28.10 | valdyn_ | caphuso: hehe |
| 23:28.13 | valdyn_ | !win caphuso |
| 23:28.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 23:28.18 | nvz | wtf is an exabyte??? |
| 23:28.25 | bucky | ersdfeef: so what does grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G /boot/config-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 23:28.26 | caphuso | nvz: A Lot |
| 23:28.34 | nvz | damn repeat.. this ssh connection is low as hell |
| 23:28.37 | tdn_ | I have now installed x-window-system-core and openbox. Now, how do I get it to work? |
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| 23:29.16 | bucky | hmm.. good point |
| 23:29.17 | ersdfeef | bucky, that command says /boot/config-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8, yeah it exists. I'm looking at it in gedit now. bucky, that command doesn't work, let me chmod and try again. |
| 23:29.32 | karsten | ziupiu: Thanks. Gotta split, back later. |
| 23:29.34 | valdyn_ | roby: it lists connections to the server its run on or connections that the box is trying to make *to* servers too? |
| 23:29.48 | dondelelcaro | lack of high memory support being the classical reason you only see 934 megabytes |
| 23:29.49 | bucky | ersdfeef: you might ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 23:29.59 | valdyn_ | ersdfeef: run 'free' |
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| 23:30.15 | valdyn_ | ersdfeef: you dont need highmem with that kernel however |
| 23:30.35 | roby | valdyn_: i believe the windows command lists the names of windows machines that have communicated with my box, or my box has communicated to |
| 23:30.36 | michal__ | I LOOKING SOMEBODY FROM POLAND ????? |
| 23:30.42 | ersdfeef | grep finds nothing, bucky. valdyn_, how do I do that, just type free in the console or do I need to install it? okay, thank you valdyn_. |
| 23:31.02 | bucky | ersdfeef: you might ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 23:31.04 | roby | valdyn_: if there are commands that will list all ip addresses used in my LAN then that would be good enough (hostname listing would also be nice) |
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| 23:31.08 | valdyn_ | roby: uh, even beyond smb 'contacts' ? |
| 23:31.37 | valdyn_ | roby: doesnt exist like that in linux, you would have to add a firewall rule to log that |
| 23:31.58 | roby | valdyn_: i could just tell iptables to assign specific ip address to hosts i guess :) |
| 23:32.06 | dondelelcaro | michal__: lose the caps. This is not a "general chat" channel. Try #linpeople |
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| 23:32.13 | valdyn_ | roby: uh? no |
| 23:32.23 | ersdfeef | free says I have a total of 960336 memory, this is wrong. But I'll go ask in debian-amd64, thanks for the help everyone, dondelelcaro and valdyn_ and bucky and tga. |
| 23:32.57 | roby | valdyn_: well, you are right, logging it is a better idea, but on this box, iptables only allows connections from MAC addresses i specify. |
| 23:33.17 | siafu | what's the current unstable release and how do I upgrade to it from stable? |
| 23:33.18 | roby | valdyn_: this box also is the dhcp, so i could force ip addresses on the allowed MAC addresses |
| 23:33.35 | valdyn_ | roby: yea, sure |
| 23:33.43 | roby | valdyn_: thanks for ur help |
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| 23:34.25 | siafu | anyone? |
| 23:34.28 | roby | siafu: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
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| 23:34.34 | roby | siafu: though it's not recommended |
| 23:34.41 | valdyn_ | roby: oh, if it is the dhcpd, then all adresses are listed in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases |
| 23:34.42 | siafu | roby, why? |
| 23:34.43 | roby | siafu: if you don't know what you are doing (like me, i don't know ;) |
| 23:34.43 | Fisherman | ;msg dpkg install debian |
| 23:35.06 | siafu | roby, I've been on linux for quite some time.. not a guru by any means but I can deal with problems when they arise... |
| 23:35.22 | roby | siafu: good for u, enjoy the link then :) |
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| 23:35.48 | valdyn_ | siafu: unstable is always sid |
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| 23:36.32 | roby | valdyn_: and testing has the name of the next release? like etch in this case? |
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| 23:36.42 | kjm | roby: yes |
| 23:36.43 | valdyn_ | roby: yea |
| 23:36.49 | roby | i see |
| 23:36.55 | nvz | 0 |
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| 23:37.05 | gnomefreak | this upgrade isnt going like i hoped :( |
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| 23:37.25 | tdn_ | What is it that I should msg apt_ with for information on how to setup X? |
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| 23:37.46 | valdyn_ | tdn_: /msg apt_ setup x |
| 23:37.54 | tdn_ | valdyn_: ok. Thanks. |
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| 23:38.46 | ziupiu | karsten, do you have any /sys/bus/scsi/<device>/rescan ? |
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| 23:38.55 | maiden | how can i limit whith iptables |
| 23:39.00 | maiden | number of packets |
| 23:39.05 | maiden | and mark it as bad |
| 23:39.05 | speedy | i'm trying to start xorg, and getting cannot open device /dev/input/mice error |
| 23:39.09 | DEbian_testing | Hi! |
| 23:39.22 | blockd | maiden: maybe you're looking for '-m limit' |
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| 23:39.37 | xerophyte | what is the best way to browse code ??? |
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| 23:39.56 | maiden | you know |
| 23:40.01 | blockd | maiden: but I'm not exactly sure how you want to limit traffic |
| 23:40.08 | maiden | any module |
| 23:40.08 | maiden | to load it |
| 23:40.08 | maiden | on lsmod |
| 23:40.08 | maiden | ? |
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| 23:40.11 | tga | xerophyte, punched cards |
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| 23:40.42 | tdn | valdyn_, doesn't work. "setup x". |
| 23:41.10 | valdyn_ | tdn: ok, apt_ is missing that factoid then, try 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 23:41.46 | roby | valdyn_: i tried `/msg apt_ setup x` too but got nothing :( |
| 23:41.46 | tdn | valdyn_, as I mentioned earlier, I have already installed x-window-system-core. I just need it to work now. |
| 23:41.47 | DEbian_testing | I need to generate random numbers (in C++). I need a random seed. How to do it? |
| 23:41.59 | valdyn_ | tdn: what's not working? |
| 23:42.01 | roby | oops |
| 23:42.03 | tdn | valdyn_, X |
| 23:42.08 | dondelelcaro | DEbian_testing: just read some bits from /dev/random |
| 23:42.13 | tdn | valdyn_, I'm trying to start openbox, but it fails. |
| 23:42.19 | valdyn_ | tdn: from X? |
| 23:42.39 | roby | valdyn_: nm, didn't see tdn already told u |
| 23:42.48 | dondelelcaro | DEbian_testing: it really depends what you're doing with your random numbers, though. If even distribution is enough, a timestamp will suffice. If you need cryptographic strength, you need real random numbers. |
| 23:43.05 | valdyn_ | tdn: 'it fails' is a useless message, if it fails then there is a more useful error message |
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| 23:44.34 | nestler | I am trying to build gcc 2.96 using the source package from Woody, but it fails with a bison error: "parse.y:2057.15-23: integer out of range: `$<ttype'". Does anyone know how to get past this? |
| 23:44.43 | caphuso | you're trying to do WHAT? |
| 23:45.20 | caphuso | nestler: you're actually expecting help in compiling a non-existant yet completely broken version of gcc? |
| 23:45.30 | DEbian_testing | dondeelcaro: I'm writting cryptographic system. |
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| 23:46.27 | dondelelcaro | DEbian_testing: then you read bits from /dev/random, and hope that your operating system actuall has a non-broken implementation of it |
| 23:46.27 | caphuso | and since when are there source packages for gcc 2.96 in debian anyway? |
| 23:46.27 | nestler | I realize it is not a popular compiler, but I have specific reasons for needing it. |
| 23:46.27 | nestler | There were source packages in Woody. They do not build anymore apparently |
| 23:46.28 | dondelelcaro | DEbian_testing: see the corresponding code in gnugpg FE. |
| 23:46.28 | gnomefreak | why do i keep getting locale language errors during this upgrade to etch? |
| 23:46.28 | gnomefreak | is this normal? |
| 23:46.28 | valdyn_ | gnomefreak: yea |
| 23:46.36 | gnomefreak | oh ok good to hear |
| 23:46.38 | EdLin | nestler: woody has 2.95 and 3.0, not 2.96 |
| 23:46.40 | gnomefreak | ty valdyn_ |
| 23:46.45 | dondelelcaro | DEbian_testing: having said that, why exactly are you writing a cryptographic system? Use a pre-existing set of known algorithms and implementations of those algorithms instead. |
| 23:46.59 | koshnaranek | run dpgk-reconfigure locales when it is done |
| 23:47.13 | gnomefreak | ty koshnaranek |
| 23:47.16 | koshnaranek | er |
| 23:47.27 | koshnaranek | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:47.36 | koshnaranek | yw |
| 23:47.49 | gnomefreak | yea i knew what you meant |
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| 23:48.21 | nestler | I found this: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/source/gcc-2.96 |
| 23:48.27 | caphuso | there's actually a gcc-2.96 package available |
| 23:48.27 | valdyn_ | uh, locales should be regenerated automagically during this upgrade |
| 23:48.31 | caphuso | that's frightening |
| 23:48.34 | nestler | oddly, the binary package only lists ia64 |
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| 23:48.53 | dondelelcaro | probably because IA64 needed it |
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| 23:48.56 | nestler | I could not find i386 binary packages, or I would not be trying to compile it right now. |
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| 23:49.10 | koshnaranek | it should but it dont |
| 23:49.20 | DEbian_testing | dondeelcaro: I'm writting it, because I'm writting a program that would work with sensitive information (passwords and usernmes). I nedd non-readeable usernames and passwords. |
| 23:49.21 | koshnaranek | maybe it needs other stuff to go first |
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| 23:50.04 | gnomefreak | is etch kernel 2.6.something? |
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| 23:50.05 | EdLin | smells like crack in here |
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| 23:50.17 | dondelelcaro | DEbian_testing: so use a known hash function like crypt to encode the passwords |
| 23:50.20 | mhall | Is there a Linux command to make the PC Speaker beep remotely? |
| 23:50.25 | fken | ive trouble with k3b : unable to WRITE@LBA=0h : input / output error |
| 23:50.42 | fken | it started with kde 3.4 installation |
| 23:50.43 | valdyn_ | DEbian_testing: whats wrong with libcrypto++ ? |
| 23:50.54 | [FileFly] | hey folks =) |
| 23:50.58 | [FileFly] | I need a favour |
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| 23:51.02 | mhall | fken: works for me |
| 23:51.10 | [FileFly] | Could someone send me just the cdrecord binary? ():-) |
| 23:51.10 | fken | the issue began with graveman |
| 23:51.21 | mhall | [FileFly]: why? |
| 23:51.21 | dondelelcaro | [FileFly]: just download the package and unpack it |
| 23:51.24 | [FileFly] | I dont mean a deb or anything of that nature, just simply a compiled binary... |
| 23:51.41 | fken | mhall : i dunno why but my computer recognize my cdrom/dvdburner as a scsi emulated cdrom |
| 23:51.47 | [FileFly] | dondelelcaro, unfortunately im running on a gentoo livecd in docache mode trying to get cdrecord so i can burn debian to CD :P |
| 23:51.48 | [FileFly] | lol |
| 23:51.53 | mhall | fken: what kernel version have you got |
| 23:51.57 | blockd | DEbian_testing: unless you're an expert in crypto, anything you make will likely not stand up to any real attack... and even when you're an expert ;) |
| 23:51.58 | mhall | [FileFly]: i'll give ya a link |
| 23:52.02 | fken | mhall: 2.6.12-1 |
| 23:52.02 | mhall | [FileFly]: please hold a sec |
| 23:52.08 | [FileFly] | mhall, thanks a lot man =) |
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| 23:52.24 | DEbian_testing | I want to write particular alghorithm to this program. |
| 23:52.26 | fken | mhall: we conclude the cdburner issue i had was in the kernel image |
| 23:52.50 | fken | mhall: someone compiled the kernel with ide scsi inside |
| 23:52.55 | mhall | fken: yeah you don't use scsi emu with 2.6 |
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| 23:53.04 | mhall | fken: it's not supposed to be done that way any more thank god |
| 23:53.23 | fken | its not supposed but... its a reality |
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| 23:53.48 | _Roey | hi |
| 23:54.06 | fken | i tried to blacklist ide scsi but it start ide scsi everytime |
| 23:54.30 | fken | its even configurated before ide cdrom |
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| 23:54.51 | fken | i know my debian starts idecdrom and idescsi |
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| 23:55.02 | blockd | DEbian_testing: If I understand you, "secret algorithms" are lousy protection... |
| 23:55.39 | blockd | DEbian_testing: just use tried and not totally broken existing methods |
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| 23:55.50 | fken | mhall: do you know a way to eradicate this awful driver ? |
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| 23:57.05 | DEbian_testing | blockd: I will not be secret. It will be GPL! |
| 23:57.37 | mhall | fken: yeah there is a way let me find it |
| 23:57.53 | fken | mhall: my saver ! |
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| 23:58.29 | [FileFly] | mhall, just PM me the URL bud when you've got it =) |
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| 23:58.45 | gnomefreak | ok why cant i find info on valknut? their site doesnt tell me much of anything :( |
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| 23:59.07 | mhall | [FileFly]: www.mhcomputing.net/~mhall/cdrecord |
| 23:59.27 | mhall | [FileFly]: took a min cause SFTP / SCP is real broken on my server for some odd reason |
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| 23:59.41 | mhall | gnomefreak: i've had a HUGE amount of trouble finding a working linux DC++ client |
| 23:59.45 | Frankablu | DEbian_testing: Don't less to him, just XOR your data with it's self and that is good enough for most users needs |
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