| 00:00.09 | karrot-x | gravity: thanks |
| 00:00.11 | Guerin | amorphix: made when? |
| 00:00.18 | gravity | karrot-x: No problem |
| 00:00.19 | amorphix | i dunno about those ultra thin portege ones |
| 00:00.29 | Kluster_v2 | skrewler, so I had "exclude irq 3 exclude irq 4 . . . . . . ." 1 on each line |
| 00:00.37 | amorphix | Guerin must be 2001, its a P3-500 |
| 00:00.51 | Guerin | amorphix: my t8000 has been truckin' since 1997 |
| 00:01.03 | amorphix | hehe |
| 00:01.13 | skrewler | Hmm, well this is during the install |
| 00:01.19 | amorphix | Toshiba older style are very good design and rugged |
| 00:01.29 | Kluster_v2 | remove the pcmcia thru the install then |
| 00:01.30 | amorphix | but these new thin things, i dunno |
| 00:02.00 | amorphix | you open the case up and the lid comes off in your hand |
| 00:02.06 | peterS | amorphix: there's some engineering tradeoff between 'rugged' and "no thicker than 14 sheets of paper" |
| 00:02.24 | Kluster_v2 | amorphix, I don't know about the new toshs but I stay away from all the thinkpads.. |
| 00:02.24 | amorphix | well thats what happened with my HP omnibook |
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| 00:02.52 | amorphix | people say thinkpads are really well designed but I think they look cheap and poorly designed |
| 00:03.10 | amorphix | but maybe thats just superficial observation as i never owned one |
| 00:03.13 | peterS | amorphix: so like if you want a T38 it'll be a fighter jet, not a thinkpad? |
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| 00:03.26 | amorphix | hehe |
| 00:03.41 | Kluster_v2 | I worked with them.. a few thousand students with only IBM thinkpads and believe me.. they are poorly designed |
| 00:03.44 | amorphix | isnt Thinkpad brand owned by Chinese firm? |
| 00:03.48 | thingfish | oh, who wants one of those little things...get a real jet, like an F-18. |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | amorphix: yes .. lenovo |
| 00:04.07 | jvai | <-- thinkpad 600x.. on hoary.. 6monthz |
| 00:04.22 | thingfish | !hoarysmite jvai |
| 00:04.26 | thingfish | :( |
| 00:04.26 | abrotman | thingfish: you mean a tornado ? :) |
| 00:04.27 | jvai | lol |
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| 00:04.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:04.34 | amorphix | jvai: what happened? |
| 00:04.51 | jvai | hoary is stable.. i got like i want it |
| 00:04.58 | abrotman | thingfish: maybe a warthog :) |
| 00:05.09 | abrotman | jvai: #ubuntu is farther down the alphabet |
| 00:05.11 | amorphix | the main thing you gotta check into on laptops is the hinges, its the first thing to go |
| 00:05.12 | thingfish | abrotman: ooh yes, I'll take a warthog any day. |
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| 00:05.23 | jvai | it's safe to b like.. 1 version behind.. for stability's sake |
| 00:05.28 | thingfish | those A-10s are cool. |
| 00:05.30 | jvai | lol |
| 00:05.34 | jvai | am i lost?? |
| 00:05.34 | abrotman | jvai: you're not even making sense |
| 00:05.36 | jvai | lol |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | thingfish: think of debian as the A10 of linux :) |
| 00:05.51 | amorphix | he's on drugs |
| 00:05.58 | abrotman | or mentally deficient |
| 00:06.02 | amorphix | hehe |
| 00:06.10 | thingfish | abrotman: ooh, that's a sweet mental image indeed. |
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| 00:06.42 | thingfish | I *should* be on drugs, but unfortunately my connection is being an asshole. |
| 00:06.50 | abrotman | thingfish: get a new ISP ? |
| 00:07.04 | thingfish | oh, abrotman, I don't mean *that* kind of a connection, silly boy. |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | thingfish: ISP == Illegal Substance Provider |
| 00:07.10 | thingfish | hehe ok |
| 00:07.14 | peterS | the only way that sentence makes semantic sense is by taking "my connection" to mean "my dealer" |
| 00:07.14 | jvai | oi |
| 00:07.15 | thingfish | you're cool! |
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| 00:07.27 | thingfish | !win peterS |
| 00:07.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, peterS! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
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| 00:07.33 | peterS | w00t |
| 00:07.37 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:07.41 | Robbie1490 | this is a bunch of crap |
| 00:07.45 | thingfish | can't you feel the love? |
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| 00:08.03 | amorphix | Linux users dont do drugs anyway do they |
| 00:08.05 | thc | haha a one way ticket to cleveland |
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| 00:08.13 | ismael | hola a todos |
| 00:08.13 | thingfish | Robbie1490: life is a bunch of crap, often enough. You'll survive. |
| 00:08.16 | thc | !es |
| 00:08.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:08.22 | Robbie1490 | how is the cd not mounted when its in the cd rom |
| 00:08.26 | peterS | thc: and here I always wanted to go to Akron. so close yet so far. |
| 00:08.32 | abrotman | Robbie1490: it's an audio CD ? |
| 00:08.36 | ismael | alguien me puede dar informacion sobre como instalar un cliente LDAP |
| 00:08.40 | Robbie1490 | cd-r |
| 00:08.43 | thingfish | I hear they have a wal-mart in Akron. |
| 00:08.43 | thc | peterS: my brother married a girl from Akron heh |
| 00:08.48 | thc | but they live here in california now |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | thc: guess that says something about your upbringing :) |
| 00:09.19 | thc | abrotman: what does it say, that my brothers and i like inbred women? |
| 00:09.24 | peterS | Akron is Elwood P. Dowd's preferred vacation spot |
| 00:09.26 | thingfish | ismael: no sabemos como explcarlo en espanol. Vaya al #debian-es y ellos te ayudaran. |
| 00:09.28 | peterS | nobody knows why |
| 00:09.35 | Guerin | amorphix: i'm considering taking my tecra on the road trip |
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| 00:09.49 | Guerin | first I need at least one battery for it, though |
| 00:10.10 | Guerin | and to get power management and swsusp working |
| 00:10.12 | amorphix | you can get batteries cheap |
| 00:10.31 | peterS | cheap, meaning, no more than 20% of the cost of the whole laptop? |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | Robbie1490: i meant .. what's on it |
| 00:10.55 | amorphix | toshset only gives 3 brightness settings on the tecra lcd |
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| 00:11.07 | Robbie1490 | im trying to install linux |
| 00:11.11 | resiak | peterS: How could you _ever_ be wrong? |
| 00:11.30 | peterS | resiak: it happens. but I didn't think it had happened in the case of devinputmice |
| 00:11.30 | Robbie1490 | and it comes up a defect and mount cd-rom |
| 00:11.32 | amorphix | bright, very bright, and hoooo..blinded |
| 00:11.40 | abrotman | Robbie1490: at what speed did you burn the ISO ? |
| 00:11.47 | Guerin | amorphix: yeah |
| 00:12.00 | Robbie1490 | umm |
| 00:12.01 | Guerin | amorphix: the quality of the screen on this thing is outstanding |
| 00:12.06 | Robbie1490 | the fastest it could go |
| 00:12.12 | amorphix | why dont they just put a dial on the side like in the old days |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | Robbie1490: how fast is that .. roughly ? |
| 00:12.16 | resiak | peterS: See, I misparsed what stew said... I thought he'd said he'd removed /d/i/m from his xorg.conf because you said it was evil, bad and wrong etc. I was wrong. |
| 00:12.17 | Guerin | it would be the best LCD i've ever used, except it's only 800x600 12.1" |
| 00:12.23 | amorphix | but the screen is good yea |
| 00:12.26 | peterS | resiak: ahh |
| 00:12.39 | resiak | peterS: I even came back from cooking my dindins to recant! |
| 00:12.56 | abrotman | wait .. peterS was wrong about a mouse ? |
| 00:12.58 | abrotman | !gpm |
| 00:12.58 | dpkg | well, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 00:12.58 | peterS | resiak: no, I heartily condone /dev/input/mice where it's possible to use |
| 00:13.00 | thingfish | I gotta start cooking some dindins soon here... |
| 00:13.06 | Robbie1490 | 32x |
| 00:13.06 | amorphix | Guerin: i paid £120 for my Tecra 8100 and its practically brand new |
| 00:13.07 | thingfish | gonna fry a chicken. |
| 00:13.12 | abrotman | Robbie1490: yeah .. see .. that's not good |
| 00:13.17 | abrotman | thingfish: whole? |
| 00:13.18 | resiak | peterS: I understand this , since you are sane :) |
| 00:13.30 | Robbie1490 | crap |
| 00:13.33 | thingfish | abrotman: well I'll cut it up into its parts first. |
| 00:13.33 | peterS | abrotman: no, there was a misunderstanding involved, and resiak *thought* I'd said something wrong, which I hadn't (: |
| 00:13.34 | Robbie1490 | that was my last cd |
| 00:13.45 | abrotman | Robbie1490: from what i understand .. burners start using compression above about 16x .. and it can lead to errors with ISOs . try like 8x |
| 00:13.50 | Guerin | amorphix: you're clearly not using EUC-* or whatever the stupid charset korean win98 uses |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | peterS: oh ok |
| 00:14.01 | Robbie1490 | can i use a dvd-r abrot? |
| 00:14.03 | resiak | Guerin: Hahah |
| 00:14.05 | amorphix | hehe |
| 00:14.08 | Kluster_v2 | Robbie1490, no matter my write speed, my linux CDs are always "weird", so after the base system is installed, I use FTP |
| 00:14.21 | abrotman | Robbie1490: uhm .. that i don't know .. i don't own a DVD burner |
| 00:14.24 | peterS | Robbie1490: if your computer can boot a dvd-r. but dvd-r media is much more expensive than cd-r media so there's little point. |
| 00:14.29 | abrotman | Robbie1490: do you have a CDRW ? |
| 00:14.41 | Robbie1490 | nope just CD-R |
| 00:14.49 | amorphix | 120 uk pounds, well i paid £145 took out the 20GB hard drive and sold it |
| 00:15.14 | abrotman | Robbie1490: are you trying to install more software ? |
| 00:15.20 | abrotman | Robbie1490: or just get the dang thing installed ? |
| 00:15.25 | thingfish | how much did you get for a 20G hard drive, amorphix? |
| 00:15.27 | amorphix | i wanna find a dvd drive for this tecra |
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| 00:15.32 | thingfish | like $5 |
| 00:15.45 | Robbie1490 | Download a minimal bootable CD image (or a couple of floppy disk images). Are you sure you really need the full CDs? You can just get the basic installation system - it will download the rest of the distribution if and when needed during the installation. |
| 00:15.48 | Robbie1490 | that one |
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| 00:15.50 | amorphix | thingfish: only £25, thought it would do better |
| 00:15.56 | thingfish | amorphix: I'm sure toshiba would love to sell you one. |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | !d-i Robbie1490 |
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| 00:15.57 | dpkg | Robbie1490, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:16.03 | abrotman | Robbie1490: but is the system already installed ? |
| 00:16.05 | Guerin | amorphix: i paid nz$900 back in about 2001 for this thing |
| 00:16.06 | peterS | abrotman: he already downloaded a netinst |
| 00:16.12 | amorphix | phew |
| 00:16.14 | abrotman | but he burned it at 32x |
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| 00:16.17 | peterS | abrotman: that's what he's having trouble using. apparently got a bad burn, or something |
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| 00:16.37 | amorphix | laptops make good lap warmers in these winter months |
| 00:16.40 | Kluster_v2 | First question would be: Robbie, are you on dial-up ? |
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| 00:16.48 | Robbie1490 | no dsl |
| 00:16.57 | amorphix | think of the money you save on heating bills |
| 00:16.57 | thingfish | oh that's right...amorphix is without central heating or something. |
| 00:17.07 | amorphix | ya |
| 00:17.20 | amorphix | the UK has ran out of gas and prices have gone thru the roof |
| 00:17.28 | thingfish | I hate utility executives. |
| 00:17.33 | FarrisG | Is IceCast still the best/easiest way to create an audio stream for mass consumption? |
| 00:17.35 | thingfish | same here, amorphix. |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | thingfish: aren't they all tools ? |
| 00:17.42 | thingfish | in the USA, I mean. |
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| 00:17.47 | amorphix | oh |
| 00:17.49 | thingfish | abrotman: at least. |
| 00:17.51 | schippes | hehe seems that forgetting the break statement in switch blocks is one of the most popular programming errors, just found one (and filed bug report) in the GNU pth (user space pthread) library |
| 00:17.54 | Lloyd | hi im back |
| 00:18.01 | amorphix | energy prices are getting higher and higher |
| 00:18.04 | thingfish | hi Lloyd, we're so glad you're back. |
| 00:18.08 | Lloyd | could you tell me again where to paste? |
| 00:18.10 | Talnakh | amorphix, it is stupid UK government that is making prices to go even higher. |
| 00:18.14 | peterS | Lloyd: /topic will tell you |
| 00:18.21 | thingfish | amorphix: meanwhile, the oil execs just keep getting richer. |
| 00:18.24 | amorphix | also wasteful consumers |
| 00:18.35 | amorphix | we should be doing renewable energy |
| 00:18.42 | peterS | amorphix: yeah, you first |
| 00:18.43 | thingfish | it's time for armed revolution, people. |
| 00:18.44 | amorphix | yea |
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| 00:18.58 | thingfish | and it started here, in #debian! |
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| 00:19.14 | monster | peterS: it's not so difficult in your everyday life |
| 00:19.18 | peterS | thingfish: if ten thousand bloggers blog, and nobody else reads the blogs, do they make any sound? |
| 00:19.32 | abrotman | peterS: no .. they just waste bandwidth |
| 00:19.33 | peterS | (re: revolution) |
| 00:19.59 | thingfish | peterS: you really don't expect someone who's had 3 bourbon and cokes to answer that seriously, do you? |
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| 00:20.14 | schippes | lol |
| 00:20.23 | Lloyd | Guerin are you still here? |
| 00:20.23 | peterS | thingfish: I don't expect someone who's had 3 bourbon and cokes to be on IRC at all. but since this is #debian, I modify my expectations somewhat |
| 00:20.31 | thingfish | hehehe |
| 00:20.40 | thingfish | point peterS |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | i've been in here pretty blitzed .. but i'm just as helpful as always .. but my typing skills are lowered |
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| 00:21.04 | thingfish | it's just when I get on IRC that I feel so much love... |
| 00:21.05 | Guerin | Lloyd: yes. I wanted the output from your workig knoppix boot, not from the broken debian boot. |
| 00:21.11 | amorphix | i have some absinthe over on the shelf |
| 00:21.22 | Lloyd | oh |
| 00:21.23 | thingfish | ooh that stuff's strong. |
| 00:21.26 | Lloyd | lol |
| 00:21.36 | amorphix | hehe this one is a bit tame, only 40% |
| 00:21.45 | Lloyd | but i have to get debain working |
| 00:21.52 | Lloyd | debian |
| 00:21.57 | thingfish | it's not the herbs in absinthe that get you so messed up, it's the fact that it's like 120 proof. |
| 00:22.07 | amorphix | yea |
| 00:22.16 | amorphix | its a strange drink |
| 00:22.39 | thingfish | I would just rather smoke a joint. |
| 00:22.59 | Hannibal | bleh, I'm giving up for tonight. |
| 00:23.08 | thingfish | plus my momma taught me not to drink green things. |
| 00:23.10 | Hannibal | thanks for all the attempts at helping :) |
| 00:23.28 | amorphix | whenever i drink absinthe i get the most bizarre surreal dreams |
| 00:23.42 | thingfish | amorphix: you should *never* go to bed drunk. |
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| 00:23.57 | amorphix | even just one small glass does it |
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| 00:24.06 | Lloyd | please tell me again where to paste |
| 00:24.06 | schippes | so do programmers drink a lot ? this explains many things :-D |
| 00:24.09 | thingfish | it's the thujole. |
| 00:24.12 | amorphix | yes |
| 00:24.27 | thingfish | schippes: debian programmers tend to do more LSD than anything... |
| 00:24.35 | schippes | haha |
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| 00:24.37 | amorphix | !pastebot |
| 00:24.39 | thingfish | ;) |
| 00:24.45 | peterS | schippes: as a class, yes. but then, so do people in many other fields of life |
| 00:24.48 | amorphix | !dpkg pastebot |
| 00:24.55 | amorphix | bah |
| 00:24.59 | dimm0k | anyone have any ideas how to get rid of the "Unknown" when i compile my own kernels? uname -a gives me Linux enterprise-e 2.6.15-rc1-enterprise #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 15 07:40:22 EST 2005 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 00:25.00 | azeem | !paster |
| 00:25.00 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 00:25.05 | amorphix | ta |
| 00:25.17 | Lloyd | thanks |
| 00:25.22 | thingfish | isn't azeem wonderful? He always helps so much. |
| 00:25.25 | schippes | guessing what did the ifupdown and hotplug developers drink.. or smoke.... |
| 00:25.29 | abrotman | he broke my jack! |
| 00:25.41 | peterS | abrotman: here, have a jack and coke |
| 00:25.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | peterS: straight tequila ? |
| 00:25.54 | thingfish | oh, come here, you little cutie azeem. |
| 00:25.58 | peterS | no, not straight tequila |
| 00:26.04 | gravity | RUN azeem! |
| 00:26.04 | thingfish | aack tequila is nasty. |
| 00:26.04 | peterS | what does this look like, saturday night? |
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| 00:26.15 | gravity | :-) |
| 00:26.18 | abrotman | peterS: i'm sure shortly it will look like sunday .. so possibly |
| 00:26.21 | thingfish | ooh right, it's only monday... |
| 00:26.28 | azeem | Tuesday here |
| 00:26.28 | thingfish | sheesh I'm a bad boy. |
| 00:26.30 | peterS | abrotman: true, the signs have already started to appear |
| 00:26.36 | Guerin | people only hate tequila because they drink it in shots, and then regret it later |
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| 00:26.53 | azeem | Guerin: s/they drink/they get forced to drink/ |
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| 00:26.55 | abrotman | Guerin: as opposed to a rocks glass ? :) |
| 00:26.58 | peterS | Guerin: no, I hate tequila because it's so overplayed |
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| 00:27.04 | thingfish | could be, because in a properly made margarita, tequila is not too bad. |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | peterS: i'm actually a mezcal person :) |
| 00:27.19 | Lloyd | guerin its pasted |
| 00:27.24 | Guerin | abrotman: lime is good |
| 00:27.26 | thingfish | oh abrotman you're just being elitist. |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | Guerin: straight! |
| 00:27.38 | Guerin | abrotman: either way is cool |
| 00:27.42 | thingfish | straight? damn, that's hardcore. |
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| 00:27.45 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. really .. it was my second love .. the first being yuengling :) |
| 00:28.08 | Guerin | azeem: you're right, of coure ... the amount of times i've heard "why did you force me to do those shots .... why?" |
| 00:28.12 | thingfish | now damn it, how am I going to ever taste a yuengling if they don't carry it here in missouri? |
| 00:28.20 | schippes | ppl drinking C2H5-OH here .... |
| 00:28.20 | thingfish | no fair! |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | thingfish: i could have sent some with my brother .. he just drove through :) |
| 00:28.30 | azeem | Guerin: I was on the other side of that argument on Saturday |
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| 00:28.36 | Guerin | i was in a bar in korea once, and this korean guy challenged me to an arm-wrestle |
| 00:28.36 | thingfish | cool |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | thingfish: you could come to philly ? |
| 00:28.39 | azeem | luckily I could evade all the other offers |
| 00:28.42 | ANDAINzzzzz | hi |
| 00:28.47 | azeem | s/offers/"offers"/ |
| 00:28.48 | Guerin | so the loser had to buy a round of tequilas |
| 00:28.51 | ANDAINzzzzz | what's a tty ? |
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| 00:29.01 | thingfish | abrotman: I guess I could, but right now, that seems like a lot of work. |
| 00:29.03 | azeem | "terminal typewriter" |
| 00:29.04 | schippes | hic |
| 00:29.07 | azeem | (I think) |
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| 00:29.16 | Guerin | this dude ust wouldn't give up - i beat him five times, and he ended up having to draw money off his credit card to pay |
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| 00:29.23 | abrotman | thingfish: how far are you from the carolinas ? |
| 00:29.23 | Guerin | some people will do anything for tequila |
| 00:29.24 | skrewler | Kluster_v2: hey, know of a guide on how to suspend-to-disk in debian? should I leave some extra space for it |
| 00:29.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:29.25 | amorphix | haha |
| 00:29.25 | peterS | Guerin: ha |
| 00:29.46 | Guerin | then he got his mate the barman in to go second for him, and i started losing |
| 00:29.46 | thingfish | abrotman: I live in southeast Kansas City, Missouri, so you figure. |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:29.55 | azeem | ANDAINzzzzz: I think that is pretty difficult to explain due to 30 years of Unix history |
| 00:30.04 | azeem | ANDAINzzzzz: why do you need to worry about ttys? |
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| 00:30.38 | thingfish | arm wrestling is fun. |
| 00:30.40 | abrotman | thingfish: REALLY DAMN FAR! |
| 00:30.45 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:30.48 | abrotman | thingfish: http://yuengling.com/distrib.htm |
| 00:30.49 | jbevren | allo. How do I get the kernel to -not- load vga16fb from the initrd? I cant find it on google, in /etc/ (grep -ri), or on the debian site |
| 00:30.58 | ANDAINzzzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.02 | jbevren | my cmdline contains video=vga16:off |
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| 00:31.15 | Lloyd | guerin did you look at the paste? |
| 00:31.22 | Guerin | Lloyd: you didn't give me a link to it |
| 00:31.27 | peterS | jbevren: the sarge kernel loads vesafb, not vga16fb, I believe. I can't remember how you disable *that* though |
| 00:31.28 | Lloyd | oh |
| 00:31.29 | Guerin | or if you did, I missed it |
| 00:31.31 | azeem | ANDAINzzzzz: no idea what it means in that context, sorry |
| 00:31.40 | thingfish | abrotman: I'll have to make do with our local microbrewery's products, I guess. |
| 00:31.41 | abrotman | !tty |
| 00:31.41 | dpkg | i heard tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 00:31.41 | Lloyd | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1153 |
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| 00:31.54 | thingfish | when I'm not enjoying bourbon, that is. |
| 00:31.59 | Kluster_v2 | skrewler, sry dude I barely know how to boot my computer.. I'm learning :) |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | thingfish: yuengling! |
| 00:32.00 | ANDAINzzzzz | aha |
| 00:32.06 | Lloyd | im little overworked |
| 00:32.08 | thingfish | actually, I don't enjoy bourbon. I just drink it. |
| 00:32.24 | abrotman | !tell skrewler about suspend |
| 00:32.32 | thingfish | I think because it's american. |
| 00:32.36 | jbevren | peterS: ah, it does indeed. |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | tequila! |
| 00:32.43 | Guerin | Lloyd: is that from the working knoppix, or the broken debian? |
| 00:32.46 | jbevren | it loads vesafb fbcon fesafb vga16fb and fbcon |
| 00:32.49 | jbevren | (in that order |
| 00:32.51 | Lloyd | from knoppix |
| 00:32.51 | thingfish | tequila is at least new world. |
| 00:33.02 | jbevren | I use a remote insight card, and really dont want it in graphics mode :) |
| 00:33.09 | skrewler | is it possible to suspend-to-disk in debian (or hibernate, whatever you want to call it) |
| 00:33.11 | thingfish | although I do admit to switching to gin during the summer months. |
| 00:33.22 | skrewler | oh, thanks abrotman. |
| 00:33.40 | abrotman | !tell skrewler about suspend2 |
| 00:33.47 | jbevren | skrewler: I had mixed luck with a gateway 2000 400d series p4 laptop |
| 00:33.56 | jbevren | you mean software suspend? |
| 00:34.05 | abrotman | !tell skrewler about software suspend |
| 00:34.19 | skrewler | sweet |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | skrewler: should be enough to get you started eh ? |
| 00:34.37 | skrewler | yes, lots of info |
| 00:34.38 | skrewler | wow. |
| 00:34.43 | koshnaranek | !tell koshnaranek about software suspend |
| 00:34.56 | koshnaranek | hrm |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | thingfish: btw .. yuengling is america's oldest brewery |
| 00:35.16 | koshnaranek | my bios seems to handle it reasonably well |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | yay .. new discover .. this will go badly |
| 00:35.23 | thingfish | abrotman: is it really? Now that's actually pretty interesting. |
| 00:35.26 | jbevren | abrotman: really? |
| 00:35.33 | jbevren | I like the stuff, even though I dont like malts in general |
| 00:35.37 | skrewler | abrotman: just wondering, which method are you using |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | skrewler: i think suspend is stupid .. i shut it off when i want it off :) |
| 00:36.01 | skrewler | Ok |
| 00:36.15 | koshnaranek | a morphix based distro i was using wouldnt wake up, but straight debian with udev seems to handle this board reasonably well |
| 00:36.19 | peterS | jbevren: true |
| 00:36.33 | Lloyd | guerin:if it helps: in debian i tried modconf and looked after realtek driver but wasnt there |
| 00:36.33 | thingfish | when I drink brewed products, I usually do Boulevard's Pale Ale (Kansas City microbrewer). It's bottle conditioned. |
| 00:36.44 | jbevren | peterS: I use this kernel (2.6.8-2-686) on my laptop, and it doesnt load fbcon |
| 00:36.46 | jbevren | we'll see if that helps |
| 00:36.46 | abrotman | jbevren: yes it is |
| 00:36.59 | jbevren | abrotman: cool. Some trivia I know now :) |
| 00:37.02 | Guerin | Lloyd: ok. which realtek card? |
| 00:37.15 | Guerin | Lloyd: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1154 |
| 00:37.27 | Lloyd | i hve to look |
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| 00:37.43 | abrotman | jbevren: maybe just the longest continually operating(though obviously they got through prohibition making something else) |
| 00:37.50 | Guerin | Lloyd: lspci |grep -i eth |
| 00:38.04 | Guerin | $ to donuts says it's 8139 |
| 00:38.11 | thingfish | hehe yeah like maybe they made communion wafers or something similar. |
| 00:38.36 | thingfish | with the wheat, I mean. |
| 00:38.41 | peterS | Guerin: 'address' and 'netmask' imply 'network', so you may as well omit that line. for that matter, 'broadcast' defaults correctly in your case too |
| 00:38.44 | Lloyd | Guerin: thats my card: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1153 |
| 00:38.49 | Lloyd | argh |
| 00:39.18 | Lloyd | RealTek RTL8139 |
| 00:39.20 | peterS | Lloyd: so you've got the driver loaded already, so it doesn't matter what card exactly |
| 00:39.21 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, i know |
| 00:39.34 | stew | abrotman: yeungling produced NA beer during prohibition |
| 00:39.42 | abrotman | stew: and dairy products |
| 00:39.42 | Guerin | Lloyd: so the module you want is 8139too, and it should be loaded by default |
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| 00:40.06 | Lloyd | dmesg | grep eth in debian tells my there is a card |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | stew: there's a gas station near schuylkill haven that has a big Yuengling Ice Cream sign :) |
| 00:40.08 | Guerin | Lloyd: put that file in place and reboot, you should be rosy |
| 00:40.18 | thc | yuengling was around during prohibition? |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | thc: since 1829 |
| 00:40.29 | thc | damn |
| 00:40.34 | thc | that's even before Nam |
| 00:40.41 | thingfish | abrotman: ooh that sounds like a collectible item. |
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| 00:40.50 | thingfish | hehe Nam |
| 00:40.59 | Guerin | abrotman: my wife is proofing The History of American Brewing or somesuch on PGDP.net .... she probably knows all about Yuenglin |
| 00:41.01 | Guerin | g |
| 00:41.02 | Lloyd | Guerin: you mean what youve pasted is for etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:41.02 | thingfish | like you remember the Nam, thc. |
| 00:41.07 | Guerin | Lloyd: 1 |
| 00:41.14 | Lloyd | ok |
| 00:41.16 | jvai | hats off.. to yeungling |
| 00:41.20 | Lloyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.22 | thc | actually, i do. i visited there three years ago. |
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| 00:41.29 | Lloyd | and be back iv lucky |
| 00:41.47 | thingfish | cool, thc! actually I'm a major fan of vietnamese cuisine. |
| 00:42.01 | r3tex | how can i make a "xset fp+ <directory>" permanent? |
| 00:42.09 | thingfish | I don't know a lot of names, but I love the cooking. |
| 00:42.17 | thc | i prefer japanese food as far as asian cuisine, but vietnamese and thai food are definitely up there |
| 00:42.31 | mud | where would i put a script to load a module after "standby mode" when lid is closed on my laptop i want the script to run whan i open the lid |
| 00:42.40 | alekibango | hello... i am having strange problem with mounting my disks on sid.... i cannot mount /dev/hda1, even if i can fsck it or run the disk in qemu. it says "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/hda1 busy" .... busy... but it should not be... its not mounted nor used.. any ideas? |
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| 00:42.41 | thingfish | yes, japanese cuisine is excellent. |
| 00:42.44 | thingfish | as is thai. |
| 00:42.49 | Reilithion | Hi, all |
| 00:43.07 | all | hi |
| 00:43.15 | alekibango | mounting sda or other drives works well |
| 00:43.20 | alekibango | :) |
| 00:43.23 | thingfish | oh you're just so funny, thc. |
| 00:43.25 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:43.29 | thc | mmhmm! |
| 00:43.31 | Reilithion | What's a good piece of software for recovering information from a cracked CD? |
| 00:43.34 | thingfish | god I want some thc right now... |
| 00:43.38 | abrotman | Guerin: i can't find it |
| 00:43.43 | thingfish | damn connections. |
| 00:43.49 | thc | you can scrape the smoke resin out of my vaporizer |
| 00:43.50 | thingfish | bastards |
| 00:43.57 | thingfish | it's a deal. |
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| 00:44.03 | alekibango | Reilithion: i have seen some but i cannor remember :) try apt-cache search |
| 00:44.24 | thc | i only smoke dank, so you know the resin is good |
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| 00:44.37 | thingfish | bastard connections only get around to getting some available when *they're* out. |
| 00:44.50 | Rangitoto | How can I get rid of the cross (X) in the middle of the screen? |
| 00:44.51 | thingfish | fuckers. |
| 00:45.03 | thingfish | oops, I guess kingsley is going to get me. |
| 00:45.11 | thc | cross X? you mean your cursor? |
| 00:45.22 | Reilithion | alekibango: I would, but I'm no good with regular expressions :-/ |
| 00:45.27 | alekibango | heh |
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| 00:45.37 | jbevren | its' got to be getting vesafb from somewhere |
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| 00:45.45 | jbevren | its not in /etc, not in mkinitrd, and not in the postinstall script |
| 00:45.50 | alekibango | apt-cache search cd recover |
| 00:45.57 | Rangitoto | thc: It isn't the cursor. It is a cross which is in the middle of the screen and stays there. |
| 00:45.57 | Reilithion | sounds easy enough |
| 00:46.04 | thingfish | those vaporizers seem interesting, thc. I've never priced them, though. |
| 00:46.33 | thc | thingfish: if you decide to purchase a vaporizer, get a box style, the globes are a waste of weed |
| 00:46.40 | thingfish | ok |
| 00:46.51 | alekibango | hmm Rangitoto, maybe some *dd |
| 00:47.10 | alekibango | er subst Rangitoto Reilithion |
| 00:47.29 | thingfish | change of subject. Even though this is #debian, one feels the need to maintain a certain propriety. |
| 00:47.56 | thingfish | 'cause some feds might decide to bust us. |
| 00:48.11 | Reilithion | I can't even isoinfo -d -i this CD. It says "no media" |
| 00:48.21 | alekibango | Reilithion: thats bad |
| 00:48.26 | thc | they are too busy chasing down imaginary al-qaeda members to worry about drug abusing debian users |
| 00:48.32 | Reilithion | yeah, i figured as much |
| 00:48.41 | thingfish | thc: I really do hope you're right. |
| 00:48.48 | peterS | Reilithion: could be a CD problem or a hardware problem with the drive |
| 00:48.50 | alekibango | thc: there is no al-quaida but al-cia-da |
| 00:49.07 | peterS | wait, I thought drug-abusing debian users were called gentoo users |
| 00:49.07 | thingfish | of course, thc, now that you typed al-qaeda, you know you're on their watch list. |
| 00:49.08 | thc | alekibango: that's retarded, but probably not so far-fetched |
| 00:49.17 | thc | hah |
| 00:49.17 | alekibango | no thats not retarded |
| 00:49.21 | Reilithion | peterS, I know it's a CD problem. There's a nice big crack right down the middle of it. I'm trying to recover whatever I can |
| 00:49.24 | thingfish | peterS: hah! they're still called debian users. |
| 00:49.34 | guyzmo | alekibango - but they don't know how to use IRC |
| 00:49.38 | alekibango | you are just so brainwashed so you do not know cia founded, trained, paid al-quaida |
| 00:49.38 | thingfish | I mean, like by definition. |
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| 00:49.52 | Guerin | abrotman: are you a member? |
| 00:49.56 | thingfish | uh-oh, ok, here we go... |
| 00:50.01 | alekibango | guyzmo: wrong |
| 00:50.07 | thingfish | nuts-a-poppin' |
| 00:50.15 | guyzmo | alekibango - didn't you read that terrorists use such cryptic features of the Evil Internet to do they attack meetings ? |
| 00:50.30 | guyzmo | alekibango - that's part of the al-cia-da propaganda kit ! |
| 00:50.31 | thc | alekibango: i hate to tell ya, but the cia hasn't brainwashed me. i refuse to believe ridiculous conspiracy theories that i read in chat channels. |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. is that the only way to look at them ? |
| 00:50.52 | Guerin | abrotman: until they're released, yeah |
| 00:50.58 | alekibango | guyzmo: didnt you seen 'power of nightmares' on BBC, claiming that there is no international al-quaida network? |
| 00:51.01 | thingfish | oh I believe all the conspiracy theories, no matter where I read them. It's just more fun that way. |
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| 00:51.09 | guyzmo | alekibango - no, I didn't |
| 00:51.14 | alekibango | and also proving it |
| 00:51.17 | Guerin | alekibango: my offtopicmeter just went through the roof |
| 00:51.19 | guyzmo | alekibango - but I'll download it |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | Guerin: ah ok |
| 00:51.22 | guyzmo | (oops) :) |
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| 00:51.45 | thingfish | boy, I'll say. that's even more off topic than what I've been talking about. |
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| 00:51.51 | thc | meh |
| 00:51.52 | guyzmo | Guerin - beware, don't get hurt when it'll fall back |
| 00:51.58 | thc | it's not like 10 newbies are in here asking for help |
| 00:52.02 | alekibango | Guerin: is taking about cia worse than talking bout thc ? lol |
| 00:52.07 | Guerin | guyzmo: my offtopicmeter has no power over me |
| 00:52.16 | thingfish | thc: and we wouldn't care if there were, right, buddy? |
| 00:52.20 | Guerin | alekibango: it's more liable to lead to flamewars |
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| 00:52.25 | thc | heh Nope! |
| 00:52.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:52.32 | guyzmo | but we didn't get that far |
| 00:52.32 | thc | actually, i might help, a li'l |
| 00:52.41 | alekibango | ok so lets go back to my question |
| 00:52.46 | guyzmo | we didn't reach the godwin point |
| 00:52.46 | alekibango | why cannot i mount hda1 ? |
| 00:52.55 | alekibango | iven if i can fsck it , fdisk /dev/hda |
| 00:52.56 | alekibango | etc |
| 00:52.57 | thc | we should be nice to the newbies since thanksgiving is coming up |
| 00:52.57 | guyzmo | alekibango - that's because of the cia ! |
| 00:53.06 | thingfish | thc: and christmas. |
| 00:53.10 | guyzmo | thc - thanksgiving ? |
| 00:53.12 | jvai | <__ just haunt the channel.. to seek the knowledge.. w/o askin |
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| 00:53.17 | thc | even though thanksgiving is a day to celebrate native-american owned casinos. |
| 00:53.19 | guyzmo | thc - I am european, I don't do such things ! |
| 00:53.19 | guyzmo | :) |
| 00:53.23 | thingfish | loser non-americans... |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:53.37 | alekibango | christmass is not about jesus ... its the biggest lie you have seen |
| 00:53.47 | thc | guyzmo: it's a holiday where the white man celebrates the taking of north america from the indians. |
| 00:53.48 | alekibango | christmass comes from babylon |
| 00:53.53 | thingfish | oh wee, alekibango, you're all kinds of fun. |
| 00:53.56 | guyzmo | alekibango - wrong |
| 00:53.59 | r3tex | alekibango: dude wrong |
| 00:54.05 | guyzmo | alekibango - christmas is (c)Coca-Cola |
| 00:54.09 | thingfish | he doesn't care that he's wrong, people. |
| 00:54.14 | alekibango | no, thats just in last years |
| 00:54.16 | guyzmo | and it is a pure genuine fest made by prude americans |
| 00:54.19 | Guerin | jesusfuckingchrist |
| 00:54.25 | thc | haha Guerin |
| 00:54.26 | jvai | smh |
| 00:54.27 | thc | relax. |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite Guerin |
| 00:54.31 | alekibango | thingfish: i care - and you dont |
| 00:54.33 | alekibango | thats obvious |
| 00:54.34 | Guerin | christmas is an amalgamation of every midwinter festival there is |
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| 00:54.41 | Reilithion | ^_^ this channel is so very helpful. |
| 00:54.43 | thingfish | alekibango: I care that you care. |
| 00:54.44 | jvai | who's worse.. the grinch, or..? |
| 00:54.45 | guyzmo | that has been took over |
| 00:54.52 | guyzmo | Reilithion - you have a question ? :) |
| 00:54.52 | alekibango | thingfish: get some life man |
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| 00:54.55 | abrotman | it was .. until the tard showe dup |
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| 00:55.08 | r3tex | Christmas + all other christian holidays are christian holidays because they decided to have a holiday then, even if it was to make fun of / draw attention from the "hethans" |
| 00:55.09 | thingfish | alekibango: but that would seriously interfere with my not having a life. |
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| 00:55.22 | alekibango | lol :) |
| 00:55.26 | thingfish | r3tek is closest to the truth. |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | Reilithion: all i can think of is 'dd' |
| 00:55.31 | Reilithion | guyzmo, yeah, about recovery software for CD-ROMs |
| 00:55.51 | Reilithion | abrotman, will that work even if everything else claims there is no media in the drive? |
| 00:55.54 | guyzmo | Reilithion - you asked before I jumped in the troll |
| 00:55.54 | guyzmo | :) |
| 00:56.00 | Reilithion | hehe |
| 00:56.07 | guyzmo | Reilithion - what you want ? |
| 00:56.08 | hidari | I'm installing pptpd and using POPTOP for my VPN. I've done this many times using Ubuntu and now I'm using Debian Sarge and I'm not sure if MPPE 128bit is built into the kernel? |
| 00:56.12 | r3tex | i just got a cool monospace font on my console now that looks so l33t |
| 00:56.13 | r3tex | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.20 | guyzmo | r3tex - jmk ? |
| 00:56.24 | alekibango | hm i know history of christmass... beginning of the story is semiramis + nimrod having son tammuz |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | Reilithion: well .. kind of .. you would do like dd if=/dev/cdrom of=somefile.iso .. then try to mount the iso . but you're probably screwed |
| 00:56.29 | r3tex | guyzmo: linux font project |
| 00:56.37 | guyzmo | r3tex - then you're not l33t :) |
| 00:56.39 | r3tex | =( |
| 00:56.43 | guyzmo | I am l33t :) |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | Reilithion: on the flip side .. if the drive spins up the CD .. it could shatter and destroy the drive |
| 00:56.45 | r3tex | guyzmo: is jmk good? |
| 00:56.47 | Reilithion | guyzmo, I'm trying to get any information I can from a cracked CD. most programs claim there's no media in the drive. are there any good programs that can recover anything anyway? |
| 00:56.55 | guyzmo | r3tex - it's iso8859-15 aware |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | alekibango: just stop |
| 00:57.00 | thingfish | guyzmo: you are so l33t |
| 00:57.04 | guyzmo | Reilithion - dd. |
| 00:57.12 | hidari | Do I have to do anything special to Debian Sarge to get PopTop (pptpd) to work with Windows XP? |
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| 00:57.18 | alekibango | oh how clever biomass you are |
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| 00:57.23 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:57.26 | thingfish | good one |
| 00:57.31 | Reilithion | abrotman, it's an audio CD, so I'm thinkin that mounting it won't matter much |
| 00:57.32 | incorrect | stupid question, but what sort of issues might i run into runing 30 apache instances on 1 machine? |
| 00:57.41 | thingfish | I appreciate a well-thought-out insult. |
| 00:57.46 | alekibango | incorrect: memory missing |
| 00:57.48 | guyzmo | thingfish - you won't get anything from me with flatery |
| 00:57.50 | abrotman | Reilithion: you can't mount audio CDs .. try 'dd' ... but really .. beware .. it could shatter in the drive |
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| 00:58.03 | abrotman | incorrect: depends on the machine |
| 00:58.04 | guyzmo | Reilithion - definitely, dd. |
| 00:58.04 | incorrect | alekibango, can always add more ram |
| 00:58.08 | thingfish | guyzmo: I don't want anything off you - I already have a boyfriend. |
| 00:58.09 | r3tex | guyzmo: that's nice =) i need öäå |
| 00:58.19 | alekibango | so do not care - and maybe use vserver patch |
| 00:58.20 | guyzmo | thingfish - and I already got a girlfriend |
| 00:58.24 | abrotman | incorrect: if it's 2GB of RAM and Dual 3Ghz CPUs .. probably nothing to worry about .. but a P100 with 32MB . maybe not so good :) |
| 00:58.24 | r3tex | but if i need weird characters, i run xterm with a utf font |
| 00:58.24 | Reilithion | abrotman, I know. I'm using setcd to gear it down to 1x |
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| 00:58.45 | guyzmo | r3tex - and the ¤ is a real Euro, as it should be |
| 00:58.50 | alekibango | incorrect: its better to run processes of different people in different security contexts |
| 00:58.51 | r3tex | nice =) |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | Reilithion: ok |
| 00:58.55 | incorrect | abrotman, 4GB dual xeon 3hz |
| 00:58.57 | guyzmo | (and not the unprintable character windows decided it to be...) |
| 00:59.02 | Reilithion | abrotman, guyzmo so what should I use for blocksize and volume size? |
| 00:59.09 | r3tex | guyzmo: i don't even know how to get the Euro symbol in dvorak =D |
| 00:59.14 | incorrect | i didn't think there would be much more than load |
| 00:59.19 | guyzmo | r3tex - hm |
| 00:59.20 | guyzmo | r3tex - a second |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | incorrect: you're running 30 "servers" .. or 30 different instances of apache all with different config files etc ? |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | Reilithion: just leave it .. should be fine |
| 00:59.37 | r3tex | guyzmo: i have dvorak-se |
| 00:59.44 | r3tex | a "custom" dvorak |
| 00:59.52 | pre-newbie | do i need to d/l a new prog to get files off of my windows partition? |
| 00:59.57 | incorrect | abrotman, the latter, 30 users, each with its own apache on a higher port number |
| 01:00.03 | NotLarry | Ok, just installed core3 on a box (server option) dropped the box off, drove home, have logged in from home and there is no apt-get. What did I do wrong?:) |
| 01:00.03 | vulture | pre-newbie: no.. just mount the filesystem.. |
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| 01:00.07 | karsten | Supposing I know a host's MAC address, and I'm on a local network segment on which said host is located. Any easy way to track down the box's IP? |
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| 01:00.07 | thc | pre-newbie: man mount; man fstab |
| 01:00.18 | abrotman | incorrect: even still . i'd say a 512MB and a 1Ghz could easily handle that |
| 01:00.19 | vulture | karsten: arp |
| 01:00.20 | karsten | pre-newbie: No. |
| 01:00.22 | guyzmo | Reilithion - for the dd, you have to guess it |
| 01:00.23 | jbevren | ok, filing a bugreport |
| 01:00.24 | pre-newbie | vulture: is this something I need to do every time i log on or once? |
| 01:00.27 | jbevren | there's no way todisable the fb |
| 01:00.31 | thc | pre-newbie: man mount; man fstab |
| 01:00.33 | karsten | vulture: That shows the arp table, doesn't generate it, AFAIU. |
| 01:00.34 | vulture | or rarp, or something.. |
| 01:00.38 | incorrect | abrotman, i just wanted to hear someone else say it ;) |
| 01:00.42 | Supaplex | what stores the paramaters used by modules when they're loaded? I need to set pcmcia_core pc_debug=5 or something... |
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| 01:00.48 | alekibango | Reilithion: try look on foremost |
| 01:00.49 | Blisaed | is there a log file for modules? |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | incorrect: you might get a better opinion in #apache |
| 01:00.56 | guyzmo | r3tex - m0g.net/~guyzmo/dvorak.xmodmap |
| 01:01.01 | Reilithion | alekibango, foremost? |
| 01:01.04 | Blisaed | or drivesr |
| 01:01.08 | incorrect | abrotman, nope i got a more retarded answer to be honest |
| 01:01.13 | alekibango | Reilithion: yes, some fine army software |
| 01:01.17 | guyzmo | r3tex - it's a custom ANSI Dvorak |
| 01:01.17 | alekibango | lol |
| 01:01.21 | karsten | pre-newbie: To access a filesystem, it has to be "mounted". You can do this once at boot, as needed via an automount daemon, or manually via 'mount' commands. |
| 01:01.23 | r3tex | guyzmo: thanx =) |
| 01:01.31 | thc | what the hell is a "pre" newbie anyway |
| 01:01.34 | guyzmo | with accents on mods on the character |
| 01:01.35 | thc | a zygote? |
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| 01:01.43 | secher | yahoo.com |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | incorrect: oh ok |
| 01:01.46 | pre-newbie | thc: lol someone who is not good at linux |
| 01:01.50 | pre-newbie | and i mean not good |
| 01:01.54 | karsten | pre-newbie: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html |
| 01:01.58 | thc | pre-newbie: then you're a newbie |
| 01:02.01 | guyzmo | (ie e + alt = é, e+shift+alt=è, u+shift+alt=¤) |
| 01:02.01 | incorrect | abrotman, eh :) |
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| 01:02.04 | alekibango | pre-newbie: there is noone good enough |
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| 01:02.06 | guyzmo | etc... |
| 01:02.08 | jbevren | pre-newbie: also see ubunu :) |
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| 01:02.18 | StuckMojo | i've got something odd with my device files. even though I'm in the floppy group, i can't access /dev/fd0. also, i can't burn cds unless im root, but the permissions are correct...i'm in the cdrom group |
| 01:02.31 | StuckMojo | er.. the disk group |
| 01:02.32 | pre-newbie | karsten: ty for the link |
| 01:02.35 | guyzmo | r3tex - www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ if the site still exists is everything on the dvorak keyboard |
| 01:02.42 | karsten | StuckMojo: Confirm the groups have write access to the devices in question. |
| 01:02.43 | alekibango | StuckMojo: i have similar problem - i cannot mount hda1 even if i am root |
| 01:02.43 | karsten | pre-newbie: NP. |
| 01:02.44 | Bogaurd | does LVM have a config file somehwere? like where it keeps all the VG and LV info? |
| 01:02.46 | alekibango | :D |
| 01:03.09 | karsten | Bogaurd: Good question. AFAIK, no, it stores data in disk sectors somewhere. |
| 01:03.12 | abrotman | StuckMojo: are you int eh floppy group ? |
| 01:03.12 | StuckMojo | karsten they do: fd0: brw-rw---- 1 root floppy |
| 01:03.16 | StuckMojo | yep |
| 01:03.23 | StuckMojo | and im in the disk group for hdc for burning |
| 01:03.26 | StuckMojo | it's odd |
| 01:03.31 | guyzmo | and talking about thc, it's time to re-fuel %) |
| 01:03.32 | karsten | StuckMojo: What's your mount umask? |
| 01:03.32 | jbevren | and what's with the ftp.us.debian.org mirrors being offline all the time :( |
| 01:03.34 | thc | heh. the two man pages i just told you to read are probably more informative than any url. |
| 01:03.45 | karsten | thc: The URL provides context. |
| 01:03.47 | Bogaurd | karsten: okay. im having some issues when setting up a new VG, it keeps looking for partitions that dont exist. (they used to, on and old setup) |
| 01:03.50 | karsten | thc: Take it easy on the n00bs. |
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| 01:03.55 | Bogaurd | an old setup* |
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| 01:04.03 | thc | why |
| 01:04.04 | karsten | Bogaurd: Anythign on the disk you want to keep? |
| 01:04.12 | thc | no one spoon fed me shit when i was learning linux |
| 01:04.15 | karsten | thc: Because it's the neighborly thing to do. |
| 01:04.18 | thc | man pages are there for a reason |
| 01:04.18 | Bogaurd | karsten: nope, its blank. ive fdisk'd it and all. |
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| 01:04.28 | abrotman | thc: i should hope not .. that's just gross |
| 01:04.31 | guyzmo | man pages are the holy bible. |
| 01:04.32 | Reilithion | =( dd: opening `/dev/hdc': No medium found |
| 01:04.33 | Bogaurd | karsten: still getting porbs =( |
| 01:04.33 | thc | hah |
| 01:04.33 | StuckMojo | karsten well, neither of these is mounted. i can mount a cd, but i can't burn one. however, burning as non-root with nero linux works fine. only cdrecord doesn't work |
| 01:04.36 | Bogaurd | probs* |
| 01:04.41 | nvz | thc: the important question is, would you have eaten _shit_ if it was spoonfed to you? |
| 01:04.47 | guyzmo | Reilithion - cat /dev/hdc > file |
| 01:04.48 | karsten | Bogaurd: fdisk, create a single partition, mke2fs on it, then repartition as you want, and try LVM setup again. |
| 01:04.56 | thc | nvz: only if it had a hollandaise sauce on the side |
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| 01:05.12 | Reilithion | cat: /dev/hdc: No medium found |
| 01:05.13 | Bogaurd | karsten: will do :) |
| 01:05.14 | karsten | StuckMojo: is cdrecord suid / gid root? |
| 01:05.23 | karsten | Bogaurd: ... and tell me if that works. |
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| 01:05.25 | thc | breast-feeds? uh, ok |
| 01:05.28 | StuckMojo | karsten i doubt it |
| 01:05.33 | karsten | Bogaurd: I've been running into similar problems. |
| 01:05.36 | Bogaurd | karsten: of course :) |
| 01:05.42 | karsten | StuckMojo: IIRC that's a dpkg install option. |
| 01:05.44 | guyzmo | Reilithion - hm... then your cd drive is not able to read it |
| 01:05.53 | StuckMojo | karsten nero definately is not, yet it works ok |
| 01:05.54 | guyzmo | Reilithion - get an old 2x cd reader |
| 01:05.55 | Reilithion | that's sad. |
| 01:06.02 | karsten | StuckMojo: nero for Linux? |
| 01:06.09 | StuckMojo | yeah. that works as non-root |
| 01:06.15 | StuckMojo | only cdrecord needs me to be root |
| 01:06.18 | guyzmo | Reilithion - they have no hardware protections, they are able to read whatever is readable |
| 01:06.32 | guyzmo | StuckMojo - bad perms |
| 01:06.36 | StuckMojo | the floppy problems may not be related, but i suspect they are |
| 01:06.40 | karsten | StuckMojo: suid/sgid != run as root. It means the program sets its effective user/group appropriately. |
| 01:06.51 | StuckMojo | guyzmo one would think, but they're fine |
| 01:06.52 | NotLarry | oops, wrong os:) |
| 01:06.56 | Bogaurd | karsten: mke2fs is running now, a 200gb drive, so it'll take a sec :P |
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| 01:07.04 | Reilithion | guyzmo, shouldn't there be a way to turn hardware protections off or something? |
| 01:07.21 | karsten | StuckMojo: post output, ls -l of dev, /etc/fstab, and any relevant dmesg output to paster. |
| 01:07.22 | StuckMojo | karsten i understand they're not the same. effective uid vs real uid |
| 01:07.24 | karsten | Bogaurd: NP. |
| 01:07.33 | karsten | StuckMojo: Right, just clarifying. |
| 01:07.33 | dfgd | hello, this may sound stupid but how can I check to make sure Xfree86 ppackage is installed on my system |
| 01:07.33 | StuckMojo | karsten k. gimme a sec |
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| 01:07.43 | StuckMojo | karsten yeah, just indicating i |
| 01:07.46 | StuckMojo | 'm not a noob |
| 01:07.47 | StuckMojo | ;) |
| 01:07.56 | Guerin | dfgd: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 01:07.59 | mud | where would i put a script to load a module after "standby mode"; when lid is closed on my laptop. i want the script to run whan i open the lid |
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| 01:08.00 | guyzmo | Reilithion - open your cd reader, get the eeproms progs out of it, reverse-engineer them, modify them for the matter, re-flash them, remount the cd player... |
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| 01:08.13 | blaze | Hey all |
| 01:08.15 | guyzmo | Reilithion - getting a 2x cd reader is far easier :) |
| 01:08.17 | Reilithion | guyzmo, O.o |
| 01:08.19 | Reilithion | I agree |
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| 01:08.23 | dfgd | k let me check |
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| 01:08.52 | guyzmo | Reilithion - that's the only way to get data out of a fscking anti-piracy cd |
| 01:09.15 | guyzmo | Reilithion - but if there are references on the CD |
| 01:09.29 | jbevren | Connecting to master.debian.org via SMTP... |
| 01:09.29 | jbevren | SMTP send failure: {'submit@bugs.debian.org': (550, 'relay not permitted')} |
| 01:09.32 | jbevren | oh this is doubly grand |
| 01:09.35 | dfgd | sazs no such file or directory...this means no I suppose |
| 01:09.39 | guyzmo | you could have a look on the net with them, in order to look for what other people did to copy them |
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| 01:09.54 | alekibango | guyzmo: there are some tricks with marker also :) |
| 01:09.55 | jbevren | this is the first time in 6 years that Ive been completely dissatisfied with debian |
| 01:10.10 | guyzmo | Reilithion - and if that does not work, read it on a hifi and record the sound with your PC |
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| 01:10.24 | Bogaurd | karsten: nice one! it works :) |
| 01:10.50 | Reilithion | guyzmo, I don't think that's the problem. See, it has a nice big crack on one side. |
| 01:11.09 | dfgd | how can I find out if the package is on my drive? |
| 01:11.20 | dfgd | x i mena |
| 01:11.26 | dfgd | I mean |
| 01:11.27 | alekibango | dpkg -l package |
| 01:11.28 | dpkg | ii package 2.7-5.3 alekibango's private porn collection |
| 01:11.35 | thc | hahaaa |
| 01:11.38 | blaze | How can I get tripwire to make a new config file from a text file? I have been using twadmin but for some reason I can not quite get it to work, |
| 01:11.39 | alekibango | lool |
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| 01:12.23 | Reilithion | lolo! |
| 01:12.36 | alekibango | dfgd: or apt-cache policy package |
| 01:12.39 | StuckMojo | karsten http://rafb.net/paste/results/9I1HYY94.html |
| 01:12.42 | StuckMojo | brb |
| 01:12.44 | alekibango | which shows possible other versions also |
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| 01:12.57 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone, i installed wireless-tools on my laptop and after running iwlist scan I get 3 cells. I want to connect to cell 01, how do I go about that? |
| 01:13.04 | thc | possible other versions already installed? hows that work. |
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| 01:13.21 | guyzmo | ultraviolet16 - I don't know at all, RTFM :) |
| 01:13.33 | dfgd | how would I look for x 86 |
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| 01:13.44 | thc | dfgd: what are you trying to do |
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| 01:14.04 | ultraviolet16 | man i've read so many f-manuals man.. haha. I just need to connect to that damn network so I can run gnuplot, i need to graph a function for class |
| 01:14.06 | alekibango | dfgd : dpkg -l |grep xserver |
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| 01:14.13 | dfgd | I'm trying to use xwindow |
| 01:14.15 | incorrect | what console servers do people use these days? |
| 01:14.18 | guyzmo | ultraviolet16 - oh ! |
| 01:14.20 | guyzmo | ultraviolet16 - OH ! |
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| 01:14.25 | guyzmo | ultraviolet16 - you know gnuplot ? :) |
| 01:14.28 | dfgd | but when I installed debian I dont think that it instaled |
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| 01:14.35 | Bogaurd | haha, i just got a letter mailed to me by the bank about an old account i no longer use. it's at -$10 :P |
| 01:14.37 | thc | dfgd: read _everything_ dpkg is about to tell you |
| 01:14.40 | thc | !tell dfgd about setup x |
| 01:14.43 | ultraviolet16 | yeah, i know some gnuplot |
| 01:15.17 | guyzmo | ultraviolet16 - I could'nt find out a way to draw a plot with (x1, x2, x3)/y |
| 01:16.07 | guyzmo | where I only want all the combinations of x1, x2, x3 |
| 01:16.14 | ultraviolet16 | guyzmo: your trying an splot? |
| 01:16.24 | guyzmo | no, just a plot |
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| 01:16.53 | ultraviolet16 | but you have three dimensions right? |
| 01:16.58 | Lloyd | Guerin: im back |
| 01:17.09 | guyzmo | like x1 is 1, 2, 3, 4 ; x2 is 1, 4, 8 ; x3 is 2, 4, 6 |
| 01:17.13 | Lloyd | with error on debian boot |
| 01:17.31 | Lloyd | please give me again the paste address |
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| 01:17.41 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:17.41 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 01:18.06 | guyzmo | I want to have the x to be : [1,1,2] [1,1,4] [1,1,6] [1,4,2] [1,4,4] [1,4,6] ... and so on |
| 01:18.16 | incorrect | does anyone use rh GFS under debian? |
| 01:18.21 | thc | isn't paste also what ralf wiggum likes to eat? |
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| 01:18.34 | guyzmo | I want my plot (2 dimensional) to be a set of discrete ranges |
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| 01:18.53 | thc | "My cat's breath smells like cat food." -Ralf Wiggum |
| 01:19.06 | guyzmo | ultraviolet16 - would you know how to do that ? |
| 01:19.09 | thc | and on that note, i'm outta hereeeeeeeeeeee. work sucks. |
| 01:19.19 | guyzmo | thc - I agree. |
| 01:19.22 | ultraviolet16 | oh guyzmo sorry man, i'm afraid I can't help you there, i'm also learning the program |
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| 01:19.28 | guyzmo | :/ |
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| 01:20.02 | Lloyd | Guerin: are you still here? this is the errorhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1155 |
| 01:20.12 | dfgd | how do i check to see if the x window system core is installed? |
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| 01:20.28 | guyzmo | dfgd - type X ? |
| 01:20.30 | caphuso | dfgd: dpkg -l x-window-system-core |
| 01:20.37 | caphuso | guyzmo: that's not the same |
| 01:20.47 | ultraviolet16 | guyzmo: good luck |
| 01:20.57 | guyzmo | caphuso - for sure, but if it does not start, x-window-system-core won't start :> |
| 01:21.03 | guyzmo | *is not here |
| 01:21.14 | caphuso | guyzmo: x-window-system-core is a meta package. it can't start |
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| 01:21.40 | caphuso | guyzmo: and you can run X without having x-window-system-core installed |
| 01:22.02 | guyzmo | right |
| 01:22.07 | guyzmo | well |
| 01:23.03 | guyzmo | so let's troll to forget that O:-) |
| 01:23.06 | dfgd | this does not tell me, but places me within a menu for dpkg |
| 01:23.36 | guyzmo | dfgd - ? |
| 01:23.46 | Lloyd | Guerin? |
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| 01:24.49 | dfgd | when I look for xw system core by typing dpkg -1 x window-system-core |
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| 01:25.01 | abrotman | dfgd: x-window-system-core .. |
| 01:25.20 | dvs | dfgd: it's not a number one, it's the letter "el" |
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| 01:25.43 | abrotman | can greycat come back now ? |
| 01:25.56 | dfgd | ah |
| 01:26.02 | dfgd | sorry I'm so stupid |
| 01:26.11 | dfgd | I really do want to learn this |
| 01:26.11 | dvs | that's a "pal"able offence |
| 01:26.13 | guyzmo | dfgd - change your font :) |
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| 01:27.36 | me | #ubuntu |
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| 01:27.44 | dfgd | ok there is no matching package so not there I assume |
| 01:27.59 | guyzmo | me - no buzz words here |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | dfgd: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 01:28.12 | thc | dfgd: do exactly what dpkg told you to install X, if a package is already installed, you'll know |
| 01:29.16 | thc | dfgd: either that or run base-config again and select "Desktop environment" |
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| 01:29.39 | crn | my just installed ssh server (sarge kernel 6.8 stock) reports it cant'f find DISPLAY even though X forwarding is set to yes in the configuration file. What do I (re)configure? |
| 01:29.53 | NOthsouth | Hello, how can I kill all process called VNC ? |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | 6.8 ? |
| 01:30.03 | koshnaranek | killall vnc |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | NOthsouth: killall vnc ? |
| 01:30.08 | guyzmo | NOthsouth - killall VNC |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | !tell crn about sshx |
| 01:30.16 | dvs | 2.6.8 I assume |
| 01:30.16 | crn | or whatever 6.2? |
| 01:30.23 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 01:30.32 | crn | yes, sorry. |
| 01:30.33 | guyzmo | NOthsouth - or kill `pidof VNC` |
| 01:30.36 | dfgd | I think that I will try the base config again |
| 01:30.47 | thc | dfgd: base-config |
| 01:30.52 | NOthsouth | the process name is not VNC, but there are VNC on the process name .. |
| 01:30.52 | crn | stock from the debian archives |
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| 01:31.03 | koshnaranek | start 'top' |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | !tell crn about sshx |
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| 01:31.19 | dfgd | thank you |
| 01:31.43 | NOthsouth | how can I kill all process who contain the word VNC in the process name ? |
| 01:31.46 | koshnaranek | 'top' will show you all running processes, you can use 'h' to see options |
| 01:31.50 | crn | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:31.52 | dfgd | I'll sure that I will be back |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | NOthsouth: ps aux | grep vnc | xargs kill ? |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | or ps ax |
| 01:32.20 | abrotman | dvs: you can't hide! |
| 01:32.36 | NOthsouth | abrotman, GREAT!!! thx very much |
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| 01:33.00 | dfgd | do I run base-config as root? |
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| 01:33.08 | dvs | dfgd: yes |
| 01:33.08 | guyzmo | NOthsouth - ah, then ps ax | grep -i vnc | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill |
| 01:33.14 | cat | hey anyone heres has used artwiz-fonts? |
| 01:33.21 | karsten | abrotman: ps | grep [v]nc is the trick to avoid killing grep itself. |
| 01:33.22 | thc | cat: i do, why |
| 01:33.23 | guyzmo | (or cut -d' ' -f0) |
| 01:33.36 | thc | cat: it's xfonts-artwiz |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. i suppose .. i forgot about that :) |
| 01:33.47 | cat | thc: how do you used those fonts? |
| 01:33.52 | cat | i'm a little new with those fonts |
| 01:33.54 | thc | cat: you install them |
| 01:33.58 | cat | yes i did |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | karsten: though .. admittedly .. the grep should be done by the time xargs gets it ? |
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| 01:34.20 | guyzmo | karsten - though you can't kill grep itself, as it is dead before kill is called |
| 01:34.27 | karsten | abrotman: pipelines stream. |
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| 01:34.39 | karsten | abrotman: ... so if grep is the first-listed process, you might indeed kill grep. |
| 01:34.47 | abrotman | yeah .. i guess |
| 01:34.47 | cat | thc: how do i used them? |
| 01:34.59 | thc | cat: you install them |
| 01:35.03 | cat | yes i did thc |
| 01:35.07 | cat | with apt-get |
| 01:35.10 | thc | cat: restart X |
| 01:35.15 | cat | i did |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | the battle of the three letter nicks! |
| 01:35.37 | karsten | thc: Shouldn't be necessary with the newish X font stuff. F*ck if I understand it though. |
| 01:35.42 | dvs | abrotman: Don't know what you mean |
| 01:35.48 | cat | thc: what else do i do? |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | dvs: you didn't hide very well |
| 01:36.00 | dvs | abrotman: I'm still running |
| 01:36.06 | thc | karsten: if he's in X and installs a new xfonts package, doesn't he have to restart X? |
| 01:36.10 | abrotman | dvs: where? |
| 01:36.21 | dvs | abrotman: beats me |
| 01:36.22 | gravity | Depends on the type of font, iirc |
| 01:36.22 | cat | thc: alright my question is how do i used the fonts? |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | !qotd139 |
| 01:36.31 | dpkg | [qotd139] <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 01:36.56 | thc | cat: i am not sure. xfonts-artwiz is the first thing i install after fluxbox, and that's all i run |
| 01:37.18 | cat | thc: oh so you don't know how i can used the fonts on a terminal? |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | fonts still suck on linux :) |
| 01:37.48 | thc | cat: which terminal? |
| 01:37.53 | cat | aterm or Eterm |
| 01:38.21 | karsten | thc: W/ defoma and all that, I think not. Some apps may need a reload. |
| 01:38.25 | thc | cat: not sure about aterm, but i'm pretty sure you are confined to one font in eterm (i could be totally wrong) |
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| 01:38.37 | cat | aterm -fn edges |
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| 01:38.38 | cat | =) |
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| 01:38.40 | icc | anyone know how to set the home dir on a samba user? i want to change my share dir.. |
| 01:38.42 | cat | there we go |
| 01:39.05 | crn | abrotman, thanks again. xauth wasn't installed on my new debian box. |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | crn: yay |
| 01:39.44 | guyzmo | what's : WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 01:39.53 | thc | !tell guyzmo about apt secure |
| 01:39.54 | abrotman | !topicsmite guyzmo |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon guyzmo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:40.14 | guyzmo | abrotman - where in the topic ? :) |
| 01:40.16 | guyzmo | ah |
| 01:40.17 | guyzmo | apt secure |
| 01:40.19 | apt | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 01:40.27 | thc | haha wtf |
| 01:40.29 | abrotman | guyzmo: no .... /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:40.31 | welson_ | icc, there's something with %U variable, if i'm correct, but it would resort to that users's homedir |
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| 01:40.34 | thc | apt: shush |
| 01:40.35 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 01:40.39 | thc | yay |
| 01:40.49 | guyzmo | abrotman - I'm not that stupid... :) |
| 01:40.51 | findme | how do i set date on my debian system? |
| 01:40.57 | abrotman | guyzmo: ok .. if you say so :) |
| 01:40.58 | thc | findme: ntpdate |
| 01:41.04 | guyzmo | but I broke my rolling paper |
| 01:41.20 | thc | you mean your rizla? |
| 01:41.25 | guyzmo | thc - no |
| 01:41.29 | guyzmo | thc - smoking premium |
| 01:41.32 | findme | thc, awesome thanks bud |
| 01:41.32 | guyzmo | :) |
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| 01:41.37 | thc | no problem |
| 01:41.41 | pigor | hello |
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| 01:41.56 | abrotman | the germans are coming .. the germans are coming |
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| 01:42.16 | thc | hide the bratwurst |
| 01:42.26 | crn | debian doesn't install xterm in the base config. what is the debian choice for remote xwindows? |
| 01:42.42 | pigor | i have debian unstable and want to install xserver-xorg from experimental - how to ? |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | mmm .. bratwurst |
| 01:42.58 | dondelelcaro | crn: it's probably installing gnome-terminal, but I'd personally recommend uxterm |
| 01:43.22 | crn | dondelelcaro, thanks. I try it. |
| 01:43.37 | crn | I = I'll |
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| 01:44.23 | guyzmo | is there a transparency manager that _really_ works for Xorg distributed in debian ? |
| 01:44.29 | guyzmo | (just curiosity) |
| 01:44.34 | kjm | define _really_ |
| 01:45.16 | cat | !pork |
| 01:45.28 | thc | !oink |
| 01:45.29 | dpkg | well, oink is the best cs server: oink.kicks-ass.net |
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| 01:45.49 | thc | guyzmo: you mean official packages? i didn't know there were any |
| 01:45.59 | thc | transset and xcompmgr work, but they are slow as hell |
| 01:46.15 | guyzmo | thc - they crash everything on my configuration |
| 01:46.29 | thc | guyzmo: it's still fairly new, give it some time |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | gravity: transset! |
| 01:46.39 | thc | xorg hasn't even been in etch for that lon |
| 01:46.42 | dfgd | thc I ran base configure.the system istalled 0 new packages...I'm also now stuck at prompt as root? |
| 01:46.46 | thc | s/lon/long/g |
| 01:46.50 | guyzmo | or actually, they're so slow, that I got to kill X11 using ssh to take the console back |
| 01:47.04 | kjm | is your vid. card capable of the rendering? It is dog slow if you are doing the stuff through software rendering. |
| 01:47.06 | thc | dfgd: did you select "Desktop environment" ? |
| 01:47.14 | dfgd | yes |
| 01:47.22 | thc | dfgd: then X was already installed |
| 01:47.30 | guyzmo | thc - of course, but I'm still waiting, and trying to get news about that from time to time :) |
| 01:47.32 | thc | dfgd: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:47.45 | guyzmo | thc - I used to do the same when I was waiting for Xorg :) |
| 01:48.26 | thc | guyzmo: i was running ubuntu xorg packages before xorg was even in sid |
| 01:48.36 | thc | in fact i think i even got them off gravity's page |
| 01:49.10 | dfgd | still no packages found matching |
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| 01:49.34 | pre-newbie | i am getting an error when I try to mount my cdrom |
| 01:49.34 | thc | dfgd: you selected "Desktop environment" with your spacebar? |
| 01:49.38 | guyzmo | thc - do you think I could port ubuntu's packages for python2.4+gtk2.8 in debian testing ? |
| 01:49.43 | pre-newbie | btw it is not set to auto in the fstab |
| 01:49.50 | guyzmo | thc - if so, what would recommend me to RTFM ? |
| 01:49.56 | dfgd | ah! perhaps that is it |
| 01:50.02 | thc | guyzmo: no idea, xorg is the _only_ package i have ever borrowed from ubunut |
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| 01:50.08 | dfgd | I did not press spacebar |
| 01:50.08 | pre-newbie | "wrong fs type, bad option, b" |
| 01:50.29 | thc | dfgd: run base-config again and make sure the box is checked |
| 01:50.34 | guyzmo | thc - and did you read something specific about xorg porting, or it was more general ? |
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| 01:51.16 | thc | guyzmo: i didn't read anything, i just downloaded ubuntu's packages for xorg and installed them |
| 01:51.34 | thc | guyzmo: you aren't going to get a lot of support in here when it comes to running ubuntu packages |
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| 01:52.12 | guyzmo | thc - ok |
| 01:52.19 | Lloyd | ok Guerin is away, i go to sleep. say thanks to him. bye |
| 01:52.20 | pre-newbie | "/dev/hdc "/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto |
| 01:52.33 | pre-newbie | that is my fstab file |
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| 01:52.44 | pre-newbie | w/o the " |
| 01:52.48 | thc | pre-newbie: you need a partition number /dev/hdc(1|2|3) |
| 01:52.52 | dvs | pre-newbie: Change "udf,iso9660" to "auto" |
| 01:53.01 | livingtm | I have a laptop with an ati radeon with support for an external monitor. Id like to extend my desktop onto the external monitor. Can anyone help me set that up in the XF86Conf file |
| 01:53.10 | thc | pre-newbie: never mind i didn't know you were mounting a cdrom |
| 01:53.14 | guyzmo | thc - of course, I am a debian integrist too... but I need it for development purposes, and that's for the community ;) so I changed my own guideline on keeping sane my debian |
| 01:53.30 | pre-newbie | dvs: ty and thc ty |
| 01:54.00 | joehippie | question: I got a small desktop w/2.4 Pentium, 1gig ram, 40 gig laptop drive, pcmcia slots, it is a asus, I installed using the netinstall. It gives me a kernel panic when I am booting after the first round of install |
| 01:54.02 | dvs | pre-newbie: You don't need a partition number for /dev/hdc |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | livingtm: did you try hitting the magic button ? |
| 01:54.17 | livingtm | abrotman: "the magic button"? |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | livingtm: the magic button that switches video output devices |
| 01:55.11 | dfgd | do I want to entrust font management to defoma |
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| 01:55.42 | thc | dfgd: the default answers for those are usually fine, unless you know you need different |
| 01:56.07 | dfgd | k |
| 01:56.09 | |splat| | i have a really old laptop that has a pentium 133 and 16mb ram, if i get another 32mb of ram, do you think it will make running X bearable? |
| 01:56.37 | chealer | |splat|: yes |
| 01:56.40 | kjm | with a lightweight window manager yes |
| 01:56.45 | |splat| | fvwm |
| 01:56.47 | |splat| | ? |
| 01:56.50 | dvs | |splat|: depends on your X environment |
| 01:56.51 | |splat| | like in DSL |
| 01:57.05 | thc | damn small linux? |
| 01:57.08 | |splat| | yeah |
| 01:57.10 | kjm | icewm, windowmaker, fvwm would all work cool with that much ram |
| 01:57.22 | thc | fvwm should run ok, if not install something else |
| 01:57.27 | Nurbs | it's mostly the apps that matter probably |
| 01:57.47 | |splat| | how about gtk apps |
| 01:57.54 | |splat| | like gaim and firefox |
| 01:57.54 | Nurbs | which gtk apps? :) |
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| 01:58.04 | Kluster_v2 | I use fluxbox on the laptop with 64Mb, and it's not bad.. but don't try using openoffice.. |
| 01:58.04 | Nurbs | all modern browsers will suck |
| 01:58.10 | thc | firefox will probably lock your box up heh |
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| 01:58.16 | thc | if it even starts |
| 01:58.30 | |splat| | i can get firefox to start (after an hour of loading) now in netbsd |
| 01:58.33 | |splat| | and blackbox |
| 01:58.59 | |splat| | i want to get linux on tho, so i can use my wireless card |
| 01:59.12 | brlancer | trying to use 'imake', getting this error: "gcc: GNU C no longer supports -traditional without -E" ---Where would this be set/changed? |
| 01:59.34 | kjm | some have had success with ndswrapper with PC-BSD. |
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| 02:01.13 | brlancer | it's not in the Imakefile nor can I find it in the Imake.* config files in xutils |
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| 02:01.14 | |splat| | i didn't think netbsd had a working ndiswrapper yet |
| 02:01.16 | dhp_saturn_v4 | !tell me about hal |
| 02:01.29 | deadcat_ | !wnpp |
| 02:01.29 | dpkg | wnpp is, like, Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 02:01.32 | |splat| | i know there was a port project as part of the summer of code |
| 02:02.43 | Highadder | hi all |
| 02:02.48 | dhp_saturn_v4 | how to get hal automount USB keys ? or AT LEAST create directories in /media and alter fstab ? |
| 02:02.59 | dvs | dhp_saturn_v4: pmount |
| 02:03.43 | Highadder | can anyone help me get started? |
| 02:03.55 | dvs | Highadder: Start what? |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | Highadder: get started what ? |
| 02:04.14 | dvs | oh windows! |
| 02:04.18 | Highadder | i've been tryin to load woody for a week now |
| 02:04.25 | dvs | Highadder: get sarge |
| 02:04.38 | Highadder | wont run on this ancient pc |
| 02:04.44 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:04.51 | Tortel | o_O x2 |
| 02:04.57 | Tortel | ?! |
| 02:04.58 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Highadder: dvs I just sold a computer with a HDD and Potatoe pre-installed ^^ |
| 02:05.04 | asg | Highadder: how ancient is ancient? |
| 02:05.41 | Highadder | got 486DX2 66MHz ISA PHOENIX 4.03 BIOS |
| 02:05.48 | dvs | yeouch! |
| 02:05.53 | asg | Highadder: how much memory? |
| 02:06.21 | Highadder | 15+ M |
| 02:06.23 | pre-newbie | i want to make a dupllicate line in the fstab file |
| 02:06.37 | pre-newbie | is there a client i can user the mouse to copy and paste with |
| 02:06.38 | dfgd | should i choose the default value for the mouse port? |
| 02:06.53 | pre-newbie | kedit won't let me write to the file |
| 02:07.08 | asg | Highadder: woody should work with that, what error are you getting? |
| 02:07.32 | pre-newbie | vi and pico will not let me use the mouse(ie copy and past) |
| 02:07.46 | Highadder | i have a 203M HDD 31M assigned to MSDOS6.22 |
| 02:07.47 | asg | pre-newbie: then use screen(1) |
| 02:08.06 | pre-newbie | asg: ? |
| 02:08.17 | pre-newbie | don't know what screen 1 is |
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| 02:08.32 | Highadder | the error is this.... |
| 02:08.34 | dhp_saturn_v4 | dvs: fine about pmount, but: is there a way to make the dir entry in /media match the LABEL of the partition ? like /media/my_usb_key instead of /media/usb0 ? |
| 02:08.55 | chealer | pre-newbie: use nano. you can do it with kedit or vim too |
| 02:09.00 | asg | pre-newbie: screen is a terminal multiplexer that has a copy and paste feature that doesn't require a mouse. The (1) bit indicates the part of the manual section that contains the manpage (provided you've already installed it) |
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| 02:09.20 | Highadder | when the machine reboots from floppy (only choice & HDD) ... |
| 02:09.32 | dvs | dhp_saturn_v4: Not that I know of |
| 02:09.37 | dhp_saturn_v4 | dvs: and it does not rmdir when removing device :( |
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| 02:09.53 | pre-newbie | !nano |
| 02:09.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 02:10.02 | dvs | dhp_saturn_v4: Really? It does for me. |
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| 02:10.13 | Highadder | it says loading ......... ---> then just stats telling me some #s over & over |
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| 02:10.21 | J_P | hi all |
| 02:10.22 | dhp_saturn_v4 | pre-newbie: please use '!tell me about java' |
| 02:10.22 | asg | Highadder: which numbers? |
| 02:10.29 | Azar | I am taking some LPI courses and the commands given there are not responding as wished on my Debian, for example "we can use the dmesg command to find out what disk devices were found during bootstrap" dmesg | grep "[hs]d[a-z]" returns nothing? |
| 02:10.41 | J_P | people, how i do via APT know how many packages i can use in debian ? is like as apt-cache... ? |
| 02:10.42 | asg | dhp_saturn_v4: better to use /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:10.54 | asg | J_P: apt-cache search . | wc -l |
| 02:11.11 | J_P | asg: ah ok |
| 02:11.11 | thingfish | Azar: maybe do dmesg | grep hda or sda or some such. |
| 02:11.36 | pre-newbie | chealer: when I use kedit it will not let me save the changes |
| 02:11.41 | thingfish | LPI tries to be distro agnostic, but it's kind of biased towards redhat, iirc. |
| 02:11.46 | chealer | pre-newbie: run it as root |
| 02:11.58 | thingfish | as if redhat were the industry standard. sheesh. |
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| 02:12.05 | pre-newbie | how do i get into root while i am on the gui |
| 02:12.09 | Highadder | line #1 8000 line 2 AX:0212 line 3 BX:6E00 line 4 CX:5001 line 5 DX:0000 |
| 02:12.13 | NOthsouth | my user, can`t open nautilus anymore, I`m typing nautilus on console, how can I restart it ? I already try to kill , but still not opening |
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| 02:12.17 | asg | pre-newbie: open an xterm, su - |
| 02:12.30 | kjm | pre-newbie : terminal $su then password |
| 02:12.32 | chealer | pre-newbie: use kdesu/gksu |
| 02:12.44 | Azar | thingfish, I guess so most commands are not working in Debian for example dmesg | grep -i irq is not working either |
| 02:12.49 | dhp_saturn_v4 | asg: I never remember the bot nick. sorry. |
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| 02:13.08 | Azar | nor /proc/pci , pci is NOT in /proc but in /proc/dev/pci |
| 02:13.09 | dhp_saturn_v4 | dvs: did you configure any thing ? or use verbatim conf ? |
| 02:13.17 | thingfish | Azar: well the problem is you have to know partly what dmesg prints, to grep any of it. |
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| 02:13.25 | dvs | dhp_saturn_v4: verbatim |
| 02:13.38 | asg | Highadder: well, those are registers so it looks like the kernel went titsup. You might try going back further to 'potato' or even 'slink'. |
| 02:13.40 | Azar | thingfish, ibm does not know about debian I guess |
| 02:13.48 | thingfish | and I've never, on any distro, seen dmesg print irq info, Azar. |
| 02:13.59 | toucan | I want to run privoxy twice listening on two different ports with two different config files, how can i have debian do this at bootup? |
| 02:14.15 | thingfish | at least not that I can currently remember in my semi-impaired state. |
| 02:14.29 | asg | toucan: provided that privoxy can do that, write a custom init.d script (/etc/init.d/README) |
| 02:14.32 | Azar | I guess ibm is using a customized secret distro :) |
| 02:14.59 | thingfish | hehe Azar no, they just have only messed with red hat, is my guess. |
| 02:15.03 | thingfish | losers. |
| 02:15.08 | toucan | yeah privoxy can do that, thanks |
| 02:15.08 | thingfish | damn IBM losers. |
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| 02:15.19 | Highadder | so you think Woody is too much for that old horse? |
| 02:15.29 | thingfish | IBM can kiss my red-hat-hating ass. |
| 02:15.32 | Azar | thingfish, yet they do free online classes which is good |
| 02:15.38 | Yarou | LOOLOLOOLOLOLOL |
| 02:15.53 | thingfish | oh yes, I agree, Azar, I've been through those classes myself, they're fun. |
| 02:16.08 | thingfish | and even slightly helpful. |
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| 02:16.21 | Azar | thingfish, and the best part is, with a certification of completion from them some doors can be open |
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| 02:16.31 | asg | Yarou: ? |
| 02:16.38 | chealer | !tell pre-newbie about msg |
| 02:16.38 | thingfish | Azar: confess, now, you're just wanting to get paid, aren't you. |
| 02:16.47 | thingfish | Azar wants $$$. |
| 02:16.48 | Yarou | asg: ? |
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| 02:17.17 | Azar | thingfish, I have a good job which I love I was just thinking if the times get tough... one never knows |
| 02:17.18 | asg | Yarou: your outburst indicated you might be a moron; I was verifying this. |
| 02:17.20 | NOthsouth | how can I open filebrowser by terminal ? |
| 02:17.24 | thingfish | hehe Azar |
| 02:17.46 | thingfish | Azar: you're trying to improve yourself - admirable pastime. |
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| 02:17.54 | Azar | NOthsouth, : links or lynx |
| 02:17.57 | Yarou | let it trouble you no more friend, i am merely a humble passerby... |
| 02:18.11 | asg | with a broken capslock key |
| 02:18.11 | NOthsouth | Azar, no, I mean, nautilus File Browser .. |
| 02:18.16 | Azar | thingfish, something useful to fill up the boring time at home |
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| 02:18.31 | thingfish | Azar: oh man I hear you there, dude. |
| 02:18.37 | thingfish | bigtime. |
| 02:18.41 | Yarou | perhaps. |
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| 02:18.43 | Azar | NOthsouth, sorry I never used nautilus |
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| 02:19.06 | Highadder | asg: so you think i'll have to start all over again with an older ver.? |
| 02:19.08 | pre-newbie | is the xterm the same as bash |
| 02:19.09 | sfullenwider | asg: I want that on a tshirt |
| 02:19.26 | gravity | pre-newbie: No |
| 02:19.32 | Yarou | hmm |
| 02:19.34 | thingfish | pre-newbie: xterm is a vehicle for you to use a shell, like bash. |
| 02:19.42 | gravity | pre-newbie: xterm is a terminal emulator. bash is a shell which can be run inside any terminal or terminal emulator |
| 02:19.46 | Yarou | not sure which i should use, Debian or Gentoo, or both, since i can partiton like crazy. |
| 02:19.53 | Yarou | *partition |
| 02:20.13 | Guerin | Yarou: try both and see which is more work |
| 02:20.19 | chealer | hehehe |
| 02:20.22 | thingfish | Yarou: gentoo is for people with brain problems. Use Debian. |
| 02:20.26 | Guerin | no |
| 02:20.30 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:20.46 | Guerin | gentoo is for control freaks with a lot of time on their hands, who want things Just So. |
| 02:20.48 | Yarou | i've dealt with Gentoo, i got bored when mirrorselect wouldn't work. |
| 02:20.52 | pre-newbie | sorry for my newwbie is confusion..but when I run "konsole" am i in an xterm @ a bash |
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| 02:20.58 | chealer | the last gentoo user I met *did* have...at least social problems |
| 02:21.03 | kjm | Yarou : http://funroll-loops.org/ ->will help with your decision |
| 02:21.09 | Highadder | anyone know anything about Turbolinux? |
| 02:21.10 | chealer | pre-newbie: bash in konsole |
| 02:21.10 | thingfish | I think gentoo people don't do enough drugs. |
| 02:21.12 | Guerin | chealer: that could apply equally well to users of any OS |
| 02:21.13 | gravity | Gentoo is fine for plenty of people |
| 02:21.21 | gravity | It fills a set of needs |
| 02:21.21 | dvs | Highadder: What it Adrian Monk? |
| 02:21.24 | chealer | pre-newbie: console being an x terminal |
| 02:21.24 | Yarou | kjm: that's what a good friend of mine said, :P |
| 02:21.27 | dvs | s/what/was |
| 02:21.33 | CAiRO | is there a debian based live rescue cd with raid support? |
| 02:21.50 | chealer | Guerin: obviously |
| 02:21.50 | kjm | Knoppix has raid support, no? |
| 02:21.51 | thingfish | CAiRO: ask that in #ubuntu. |
| 02:22.06 | abrotman | gravity: too much free time ? |
| 02:22.08 | Highadder | dvs: what? |
| 02:22.17 | dvs | Highadder: Nevermind |
| 02:22.18 | chealer | Guerin: what was worrying was not just his problems, it's how he thought using gentoo made him superior |
| 02:22.19 | CAiRO | thingfish: why? what do you mean? |
| 02:22.26 | thingfish | we are blessed by gravity's presence, as always. |
| 02:22.30 | excitatory | after building my custom kernel, and booting, everything seems to load fine until right before the init scripts start. i then receive several errors stating that system logging will not initialize, the system message bus failes to creat a socket in /var/run/dbus saying the "Address family is not supported by protocol", and finally "DirMngr" cannot find a socket in /var/run. i then get a red "failed!", exim starts, and i get a blinkin |
| 02:22.30 | excitatory | g login prompt and no keyboard action. |
| 02:22.34 | id10t | thingfish they'll convert eventbually. i did lfs back when it was a v1.1 howto |
| 02:22.43 | gravity | abrotman: I think a lot of people who really want to have fun just dicking around with their system like gentoo |
| 02:22.54 | gravity | abrotman: Also a lot of people who really need the customization, but there aren't really that many of them |
| 02:22.59 | thingfish | I just pick on gentoo because it's a ready target. |
| 02:23.01 | CAiRO | thingfish: as i'm looking for a debian based, why do you recommend asking in #ubuntu? |
| 02:23.02 | Nurbs | excitatory: you probably didn't include unix socket support |
| 02:23.05 | gravity | Or at least, not as many as there are people who think they need it :-) |
| 02:23.15 | thingfish | CAiRO: maybe...because ubuntu is debian-based. |
| 02:23.18 | kjm | Cairo : Knoppix has raid support, no? |
| 02:23.22 | Highadder | i already have my partitions just no way to get to them as the bootstrap will not work can anyone help with that? |
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| 02:23.29 | gravity | CAiRO: Try knoppix or ubuntu's livecd's. |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | gravity: i can dick around with my system .. i guess i grew out of that .. dunno |
| 02:23.34 | excitatory | Nurbs, interesting.. do you know off-hand where that is in menuconfig? |
| 02:23.34 | gravity | abrotman: Same |
| 02:23.42 | thingfish | CAiRO: and ubuntu has a livecd. |
| 02:23.47 | id10t | Highadder can you boot to your live system using your install cd? |
| 02:23.59 | Highadder | no |
| 02:24.08 | CAiRO | ok, thanks |
| 02:24.13 | Highadder | can't boot from CD |
| 02:24.16 | id10t | Highadder did you read the part about booting in rescue mode? |
| 02:24.27 | id10t | ah.. floppy? |
| 02:24.49 | Highadder | can't get the rawrite to make the disks right I think? ??? |
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| 02:25.19 | Highadder | yes i have read the entire manual, FAQS, etc etc |
| 02:25.25 | asg | sfullenwider: cafepress.com can help you make that shirt |
| 02:25.26 | id10t | Highadder go buy a new box of floppies and try a few new ones... |
| 02:25.28 | a1fa|64 | what is the difference between linux-image and kernel-image packages? |
| 02:25.29 | Yarou | hmm, how does Debian's partitoning work again... |
| 02:25.36 | Yarou | ext2, ext3, swap? |
| 02:25.43 | Highadder | already have |
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| 02:25.49 | thingfish | or reiserfs or xfs if you want |
| 02:26.04 | id10t | Highadder or at least some different ones... do the md5sums match for your downloaded images ? |
| 02:26.06 | Nurbs | excitatory: Networking => Networking options => Unix domain sockets |
| 02:26.07 | chealer | a1fa|64: for users, linux-image is just the name of the new linux image packages |
| 02:26.33 | Highadder | it all came from the same folder |
| 02:26.34 | excitatory | Nurbs, ah yes, it's not enabled. |
| 02:26.44 | excitatory | Nurbs, thank you kindly. :] |
| 02:26.57 | excitatory | hopefully this takes care of it. |
| 02:27.04 | Nurbs | good luck |
| 02:27.18 | excitatory | well, if i remember, i'll let you know. |
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| 02:27.50 | dli | how to enable /msg from dpkg ? |
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| 02:28.16 | karrot-x | yikes im having a hell of a time getting xfree86 working : |
| 02:28.17 | karrot-x | :/ |
| 02:28.21 | thingfish | dli: enable it? just do /msg dpkg whatever |
| 02:28.22 | NeyLopes | Sube que aqui voces ajudão suporte a linux |
| 02:28.44 | chealer | !hispanic |
| 02:28.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hispanic is por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 02:28.45 | asg | !tell NeyLopes about br |
| 02:28.46 | dli | thingfish, I think private msg is disabled by default |
| 02:28.50 | r3gii | what do you guys prefer to play mp3 in kde? |
| 02:28.52 | thingfish | NeyLopes: voce tera melhor sorte no #debian-br |
| 02:28.58 | NeyLopes | ok |
| 02:29.03 | a1fa|64 | ~linux-image |
| 02:29.06 | thingfish | r3gii: totem |
| 02:29.09 | a1fa|64 | what is the difference between linux-image and kernel-image packages?? |
| 02:29.11 | chealer | r3gii: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:29.16 | chealer | a1fa|64: for users, linux-image is just the name of the new linux image packages |
| 02:29.31 | chealer | !tell a1fa|64 about selftell |
| 02:29.31 | dli | any detailed usb-storage howto? |
| 02:29.44 | thingfish | btw, hispanic != portuguese. |
| 02:29.50 | asg | a1fa|64: linux-image is now used since kerne-image no longer applies to just linux. There are Hurd and *BSD kernels. |
| 02:29.55 | a1fa|64 | chealer: so kernel-image and linux-image are the same, but linux-image are newer packages |
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| 02:30.04 | a1fa|64 | ah |
| 02:30.09 | a1fa|64 | asg: thanks good man |
| 02:30.10 | chealer | thingfish: fix the factoid if you can |
| 02:30.14 | asg | a1fa|64: you're welcome |
| 02:30.18 | J_P | hey, what is lines in sources.list where have official support by debian team and debian security team ? |
| 02:30.27 | asg | J_P: apt-setup |
| 02:30.34 | r3gii | thingfish totem is for gnome ( |
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| 02:31.20 | Nurbs | r3gii: I just use xmms, but you could try amarok (really made for playing music) or kaffeine |
| 02:31.36 | pre-newbie | i continue to get this error when mounting : ount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
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| 02:31.39 | J_P | asg: apt-setup get only support packages right ? |
| 02:31.53 | r3gii | thx Nurbs |
| 02:31.57 | asg | J_P: it will configure official sources, yes. |
| 02:32.05 | J_P | asg: thank you! |
| 02:32.11 | dfgd | hi I just switched the CD during my install and I'm noticing alot of " media error(bad sector)" messages |
| 02:32.19 | dfgd | this is not good huh |
| 02:32.23 | thingfish | dpkg: no, !hispanic is hispanic is por favor use #debian-es para ayuda en espanol; Para los usuarios debian que hablan espanol que necesitan ayuda, por favor haga /join #debian-es |
| 02:32.24 | dpkg | thingfish: okay |
| 02:32.49 | dli | dfgd: you should umount/mount? |
| 02:32.55 | chealer | pre-newbie: when using which command? |
| 02:33.12 | pre-newbie | mount "/dev/hdc" |
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| 02:33.19 | dfgd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.40 | chealer | pre-newbie: what's the filesystem type? |
| 02:33.41 | dvs | dfgd: You shouldn't switch CD until you're told to |
| 02:33.54 | dfgd | yes |
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| 02:33.58 | dfgd | i waited |
| 02:34.05 | J_P | asg: I use this in security deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:34.20 | dfgd | then pressed enter |
| 02:34.36 | pre-newbie | chealer it was this udf,iso9660 but i changed it to "auto" |
| 02:34.45 | pre-newbie | in fstab |
| 02:34.50 | dli | dfgd: oh, in apt-cdrom? maybe, you didn't verify data while burning the cd |
| 02:34.56 | asg | J_P: then that's fine if you use stable |
| 02:34.59 | thingfish | !hispanic |
| 02:35.00 | dpkg | hispanic is probably por favor use #debian -es para ayuda en espanol. Alli obtendras mas ayuda. |
| 02:35.05 | thingfish | ok that's better. |
| 02:35.09 | chealer | thingfish: heh |
| 02:35.14 | thingfish | :) |
| 02:35.19 | dvs | pre-newbie: you probably have to load the iso9660 and udf kernel modules. |
| 02:35.30 | dfgd | that mean I have to burn a new cd? |
| 02:35.59 | pre-newbie | this is the hardest freakin thing to learn this unix stuff |
| 02:36.00 | chealer | pre-newbie: why did you do that? |
| 02:36.01 | dvs | dfgd: If the CD was fine before then it's still fine. You'll have to start the install over though |
| 02:36.25 | pre-newbie | i can change it back i just put in a "#" for the previous line |
| 02:36.26 | dfgd | well I'm not really sure if it was fine before |
| 02:36.47 | dfgd | I base-config |
| 02:36.48 | J_P | asg: ok |
| 02:36.49 | pre-newbie | chealer: it wasn't working before |
| 02:36.49 | chealer | pre-newbie: but why did you do it? |
| 02:36.55 | chealer | pre-newbie: what was the problem? |
| 02:36.58 | pre-newbie | i asked in here |
| 02:37.00 | dfgd | as dsktop envir |
| 02:37.05 | pre-newbie | and was told to change it to auto |
| 02:37.32 | dfgd | so I'm not sure if the disk is good? |
| 02:37.45 | dfgd | is there any other way to check? |
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| 02:38.27 | chealer | pre-newbie: well I didn't see the reason |
| 02:38.51 | pre-newbie | its back to normal now |
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| 02:39.17 | vimman | can some one name a network sniffer available in linux ? |
| 02:39.26 | asg | vimman: tcpdump, snort, ethereal |
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| 02:39.48 | jason^ | what's a good place to put a command i want to run automatically on startup? |
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| 02:40.02 | jason^ | like echo 3 > /sys/module/processor/parameters/max_cstate |
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| 02:40.24 | excitatory | Nurbs: hey, it didn't work. |
| 02:40.40 | Nurbs | excitatory: heh. what error(s) do you get? |
| 02:40.45 | excitatory | Nurbs: i'm wondering if i'm using make-kpkg wrong though.. |
| 02:40.49 | excitatory | Nurbs: same error. |
| 02:41.10 | dfgd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.12 | asg | jason^: /etc/init.d/README ; /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 02:41.27 | Nurbs | excitatory: are you running that kernel right now, though? |
| 02:41.35 | excitatory | Nurbs: does a change like that require a clean kernel compile..or can i just re-run 'make-kpkg kernel-image' |
| 02:41.55 | excitatory | Nurbs: no, this is the latest unstable..like 2.6.8 or something.. |
| 02:41.56 | Bogaurd | hey, is there a way i can setup apache to work with both ssl and regular http without defining a virtual host? |
| 02:42.11 | jason^ | thanks asg |
| 02:42.36 | pre-newbie | mount: wrong fs type, bad option |
| 02:42.53 | excitatory | Nurbs: i'll go re-read the make-kpkg man page.. |
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| 02:43.32 | Nurbs | excitatory: I'm not sure, but I think that should be enough... but OTOH the problem should be solved with UNIX domain sockets I *think* |
| 02:43.50 | findme | how hard is qt? |
| 02:44.01 | dvs | findme: To what? program? |
| 02:44.09 | asg | findme: you're going to have to provide more context |
| 02:44.09 | findme | dvs, yes |
| 02:44.13 | thingfish | findme: it gets harder the more you play with it. |
| 02:44.19 | asg | findme: do you know C++ well? |
| 02:44.20 | findme | thingfish, hmm |
| 02:44.21 | dvs | findme: I find it easy. It's a lot like Swing. |
| 02:44.30 | findme | asg, its been a while |
| 02:44.36 | findme | dvs, ah swing |
| 02:44.54 | findme | dvs, thanks but faster than the java crap i would hope |
| 02:45.11 | dvs | findme: it's written in C++ so of course it is. ;-) |
| 02:45.34 | excitatory | Nurbs: seems plausible..since if i'm not mistaken, sockets are kept in /var/run.. |
| 02:45.34 | findme | dvs, ok i have to pick this stuff up i guess. |
| 02:45.46 | findme | dvs, asg ,thingfish:thanks |
| 02:45.52 | asg | findme: there are also bindings for Perl and Python if you don't want to fool with C++. |
| 02:45.54 | dvs | findme: Their documentation is excellent too. |
| 02:45.57 | thingfish | hehe you didn't get my joke. |
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| 02:46.37 | findme | asg, if I want to make a gui for debian, what am I looking for perl,python,c++ ? |
| 02:46.50 | dvs | findme: you're choice |
| 02:47.03 | findme | dvs, speed is important to me |
| 02:47.08 | asg | findme: either will work. It depends on what you are trying to do really and how comfortable you are with the implementation language you choose to use. |
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| 02:47.21 | findme | asg, i can code in either |
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| 02:47.31 | Nurbs | doesn't sound like it :) |
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| 02:47.38 | findme | I am trying to do something like toad |
| 02:47.38 | vimman | is there gui interface for tcpdump ? or equivalent network sniffer ? |
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| 02:47.49 | asg | findme: then go with C++ for speed. |
| 02:47.55 | asg | vimman: ethereal |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | vimman: vi ? |
| 02:48.03 | findme | asg, thanks c++ it is |
| 02:48.11 | asg | findme: you're welcome |
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| 02:52.42 | dli | !d-i |
| 02:52.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:53.05 | karrot-x | hi i have a ps2 mouse plugged in, it's a 3 button logitech; i specify /dev/input/mice in the XFree86-4 config file and i get "no core pointer" |
| 02:53.11 | karrot-x | is this the wrong place? |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | or trry /dev/psaux |
| 02:53.21 | karrot-x | i tried using /dev/psaux but it always freezes when i use that |
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| 02:54.18 | findme | karrot-x, ls -ltr /dev/psaux |
| 02:54.38 | karrot-x | no such file |
| 02:54.50 | gravity | MAKEDEV time |
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| 02:55.05 | findme | karrot-x, you need a /dev/psaux first is my thought!! |
| 02:55.07 | thc | BONGRIP time |
| 02:55.41 | gravity | karrot-x: cd /dev ; MAKEDEV busmice |
| 02:55.44 | gravity | karrot-x: (as root) |
| 02:55.52 | findme | karrot-x, http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee/fun/psaux/ |
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| 02:56.24 | diana | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/lV2oPb27.html <--- This is my /etc/network/interfaces file... I have my /etc/network/interfaces setup to use eth0 first...then if that fails use ath0...But eth0 takes so long ot realize the cat5e isn't plugged in...it wastes a long time in my boot up process...Is there a way to make interfaces realize that the cable isn't plugged in faster? Can I put like a timer on the amount of time it can try and get eth0 t |
| 02:56.25 | thingfish | I'm about ready to give thc up, unless I can score some soon. |
| 02:56.27 | mtaq | I have a directory filled with about 100 filename.conf.sample is there any quick way to remove the .sample from all of them (using bash) |
| 02:56.41 | asg | mtaq: man rename |
| 02:57.01 | diana | thingfish: score some what? |
| 02:57.04 | karrot-x | gravity: thanks, is there anything else i should worry about? |
| 02:57.06 | thingfish | damn midwest...all they want is meth, don't want to mess with pot anymore. |
| 02:57.07 | dli | mtaq, rm -i *.sample |
| 02:57.16 | thc | thingfish: i don't know anyone out there, or i'd hook you up |
| 02:57.16 | findme | mtaq, for i in `ls generic*pattern*` do mv $i $i.junk done; |
| 02:57.20 | gravity | karrot-x: No idea :-) |
| 02:57.27 | thingfish | diana: morel mushrooms. |
| 02:57.27 | mtaq | dli: rm ? |
| 02:57.29 | abrotman | thingfish: you need to move to the country! |
| 02:57.29 | asg | dli: he wants the files, just not the '.sample' part of the filename |
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| 02:57.47 | thc | abrotman: i know like 16 guys that sling weed where you are heh |
| 02:57.53 | findme | asg, asg++ |
| 02:57.58 | thc | all of them are djs too |
| 02:57.58 | abrotman | thc: i don't |
| 02:57.58 | thingfish | abrotman: aack! that's already my problem, I *do* live in the country. Too close to the cop station, though. |
| 02:58.01 | dli | asg: I see |
| 02:58.01 | asg | findme: s/ do/: do/ |
| 02:58.05 | karrot-x | odd question, should a 3 scroll ps/2 mouse be ImPS/2 or PS/2? |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | thingfish: hehe |
| 02:58.17 | thc | abrotman: i know you don't. but you should, you're such a spaz |
| 02:58.25 | thingfish | he is not a spaz |
| 02:58.29 | diana | karrot-x: Try #xorg |
| 02:58.34 | asg | findme: gah, my semi-colon became a full one. ;) |
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| 02:58.44 | abrotman | thc: honestly .. think about this .. me on drugs .. would you want to see that ? |
| 02:58.49 | findme | asg, that is what i was thinking what the heck |
| 02:58.50 | thc | karrot-x: ImPS/2 |
| 02:58.51 | asg | dli: the first example in the manpage should get you started. |
| 02:59.00 | thingfish | thc: sweet. I really appreciate good DJs, too, since I'm a househead. |
| 02:59.05 | asg | findme: :) |
| 02:59.15 | thc | abrotman: i'm exactly the same high as i am when i'm not high. the thc allows me to deal with idiocy a little better though |
| 02:59.23 | findme | asg, still asg++ |
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| 02:59.36 | thingfish | hehe abrotman on drugs... |
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| 02:59.47 | abrotman | thc: it's been too long . i don't remember how different i was then |
| 02:59.48 | thc | thingfish: i got two turntables and a microphone |
| 02:59.54 | thc | s/microphone/mixer/g |
| 02:59.57 | starscalling | e |
| 02:59.57 | asg | findme: well, I don't know if rename has internal limits. If it does, your solution is more scalable. rename(1) is the lazy solution. |
| 02:59.58 | starscalling | r |
| 03:00.23 | thingfish | thc: hehe que onda, guero! |
| 03:00.25 | starscalling | my wires are connected... my system seems to think my sound is fine... but i have absolutely no sound coming out of my speakers... anysuggestions? |
| 03:00.28 | starscalling | >_< |
| 03:00.34 | starscalling | and nice nick thc |
| 03:00.35 | asg | starscalling: aumix |
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| 03:00.46 | thc | starscalling: check mixer levels |
| 03:00.47 | asg | starscalling: or alsamixer if you use alsa |
| 03:00.48 | thc | asg: damn you! |
| 03:00.50 | karrot-x | gravity: MAKEDEV busmice does not create /dev/psaux |
| 03:01.13 | dondelelcaro | findme: why don't you just rename '$_=qq($_.junk)' *foo*pattern*; ? |
| 03:01.14 | thc | beck is actually a very talented dj, i've seen him live |
| 03:01.14 | gravity | hrm... manpage needs an update |
| 03:01.18 | starscalling | checked both guys... says its up to max |
| 03:01.20 | Bogaurd | how do i start swat for samba? |
| 03:01.26 | thc | starscalling: kernel version |
| 03:01.26 | starscalling | using audigy 2 |
| 03:01.28 | thingfish | thc: coolness! I love Guero. |
| 03:01.29 | gravity | Or... you have udev installed |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | maybe he needs to load a driver for psaux to get created ? |
| 03:01.31 | gravity | Fuck |
| 03:01.31 | asg | thc: I'll go get another beer to slow the reflexes ;) |
| 03:01.33 | starscalling | it was working earlier >_< |
| 03:01.34 | findme | dondelelcaro, cause i am cool with shell scripts |
| 03:01.36 | dli | asg that's still not what he wants, for name in `ls *.sample`;do move $name ? ;done |
| 03:01.37 | thc | haha |
| 03:01.40 | gravity | This new world of non-manual device files eludes me |
| 03:01.50 | findme | dondelelcaro, shell scripts can be made to do what you need |
| 03:01.55 | thc | starscalling: when you say "earlier" do you mean before a reboot? |
| 03:01.56 | dli | asg: what should be the ? part, to remove the .sample |
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| 03:02.10 | starscalling | hum |
| 03:02.16 | asg | dli: point |
| 03:02.22 | dondelelcaro | findme: sure, but your method will run terribly slowly, and won't handle spaces properly |
| 03:02.22 | starscalling | no ive not rebooted since the sound worked i think.. |
| 03:02.24 | thingfish | thc: you listen to progressive/underground? |
| 03:02.32 | starscalling | and ive made no updates in the last few days either |
| 03:02.49 | sfullenwider | what do I need to run java apps? |
| 03:02.50 | thc | thingfish: not really. i grew up listening to punk and then hardcore, and naturally moved to breaks and _some_ drum'n'bass |
| 03:02.55 | thc | starscalling: alsa? |
| 03:02.58 | asg | dli: generally, if I need extended fu, I just use a Perl oneliner |
| 03:03.02 | dli | asg: I remember there's a way, maybe by, for name in *.sample; |
| 03:03.16 | dli | asg: I mean in bash |
| 03:03.24 | asg | dli: bash has things like {$##*/} to strip to basename |
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| 03:03.38 | starscalling | alsa and the other one are all turned up to local max |
| 03:03.46 | findme | doesn't basename do extenstion stripping |
| 03:03.50 | thc | dondelelcaro: actually you're probably right, although in the UK i went to some hardcore clubs and heard real hardcore (and walked out with my ears bleeding) |
| 03:03.54 | diana | starscalling: as root type alsaconf |
| 03:03.55 | asg | findme: only on paths |
| 03:03.59 | starscalling | o: |
| 03:04.04 | thingfish | thc: real similar to my history. I still like breaks. |
| 03:04.04 | starscalling | wait |
| 03:04.08 | starscalling | i did that earlier |
| 03:04.12 | karrot-x | gravity: any ideas? |
| 03:04.13 | dondelelcaro | thc: whatever "real hardcore" means... if it's not in detroit in 93... |
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| 03:04.27 | thingfish | hardcore is like Black Flag |
| 03:04.31 | gravity | karrot-x: modprobe psmouse |
| 03:04.38 | thc | dondelelcaro: the kind that sounds like a fat lady jumping up and down on the roof with a coffee can full of nails in each hand |
| 03:04.39 | gravity | karrot-x: Then see if /dev/psaux is there |
| 03:04.43 | asg | findme: sorry, basename foo.sample .sample (returns foo) |
| 03:04.45 | findme | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.55 | egolost | when I do a /usr/sbin/base-config new I get a Terminated.. why might this be? Im installing from an already running linux system. |
| 03:04.55 | findme | asg, exactly no worries bud |
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| 03:04.55 | karrot-x | gravity: nope |
| 03:04.58 | thc | dondelelcaro: i guess you can call it "gabber" now but i know what you mean |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | yay dead milkmen! |
| 03:05.06 | gravity | karrot-x: Try using /dev/input/mice now anyway and see how it goes |
| 03:05.09 | dli | gravity, you don't need /dev/psaux for psmouse, right? |
| 03:05.11 | gravity | I don't know what udev does these days |
| 03:05.12 | asg | abrotman: with sour milk. Not good for cookies |
| 03:05.14 | dondelelcaro | thc: ah; yes.... that's what I'm thinking of too... not "black flag" |
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| 03:05.36 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 03:05.53 | imex | got a small question on creating database in debian ... whats the best for both backend/frontend |
| 03:05.57 | thingfish | I guess I don't really know music genre names outside of house. |
| 03:06.32 | thingfish | oh now see, I'd call that breakbeat or happy hardcore, over 140 bpm. |
| 03:06.32 | karrot-x | gravity: i dont have a /dev/input/mice either |
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| 03:06.38 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:06.43 | karrot-x | this is a fresh install of sarge, originally i dint have the mouse in there |
| 03:06.43 | gravity | karrot-x: Do you have udev installed? |
| 03:06.47 | karrot-x | ya |
| 03:06.53 | thingfish | unless I'm wrong on the breakbeat part. |
| 03:06.53 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: no... breakbeat requires a breakbeat... totally different rhythm structure |
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| 03:06.57 | gravity | Ok, that's the reason why MAKEDEV didn't do what was expected... |
| 03:07.06 | gravity | karrot-x: You should google udev and ps2 mouse |
| 03:07.11 | gravity | karrot-x: You may be able to find what you ened |
| 03:07.17 | excitatory | speaking of mice.. |
| 03:07.23 | thingfish | dondelelcaro: well maybe breakbeat is more like what I know as breaks, then. |
| 03:07.26 | gravity | s/-[0-9]*.tar.bz2$// |
| 03:07.32 | excitatory | why might a usb mouse not be detected. |
| 03:07.38 | gravity | Why doesn't that hack off all the numbers, rather than just one? |
| 03:07.38 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: they're similar, yes... |
| 03:07.39 | excitatory | shouldn't it be in /dev/input/mice? |
| 03:07.43 | thingfish | ok |
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| 03:08.00 | asg | gravity: the regex is non-greedy by default? |
| 03:08.03 | thingfish | man, I've never been in a channel before where they knew so much about house... |
| 03:08.10 | gravity | Ah, duh. Foudn it |
| 03:08.13 | gravity | I had a dot in there |
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| 03:09.21 | thingfish | I listen a lot to proton radio...mainly progressive/underground. |
| 03:09.23 | asg | thingfish: Hugh Laurie was the dumb prince in the Blackadder series |
| 03:09.29 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2003/06_june/dickies_06242003/0584.jpg that may explain why... ;-) |
| 03:09.32 | asg | thingfish: oh wait, wrong House |
| 03:09.32 | thc | blackadder haha i saw that asg |
| 03:09.35 | thc | that show rocks |
| 03:09.40 | thingfish | hehe asg |
| 03:09.43 | thc | that and the other one... |
| 03:09.48 | asg | thc: the Young Ones? |
| 03:09.58 | thc | yeah that too, this one is bizarre though |
| 03:10.00 | thingfish | my roommate love House (the TV show). |
| 03:10.03 | thc | i can't remember the freakin name |
| 03:10.04 | karrot-x | man this things annoying |
| 03:10.08 | thingfish | ah, the Young Ones...they were funny. |
| 03:10.23 | thc | not little britain |
| 03:10.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: because you have ugly shirts? :) |
| 03:10.27 | thingfish | especially the anarchist guy. |
| 03:10.52 | asg | "Vyvyan, where'd you get that Howitzer?" "I found it" |
| 03:11.09 | thc | asg: this is going to bug the shit out of me. which show had the brother and sister with the pig faces and they owned the "local store" |
| 03:11.16 | asg | thingfish: the Bambi episode where Motorhead played Ace of Spades in their living room is the best. |
| 03:11.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh. I like that shirt, actually... hard to find clothes that are even marginally original |
| 03:11.45 | thingfish | asg: sorry I missed that one. |
| 03:11.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: *sigh* .. i thought you were gonna come back with a picture of some idiot in an umbrella hat ... |
| 03:11.53 | excitatory | what a bizarre sounding show.. |
| 03:11.58 | asg | thc: that depends on if it was after 1980 or so and made it to the US. |
| 03:12.08 | thc | asg: i watched it while in uk |
| 03:12.13 | thc | league of something |
| 03:12.33 | abrotman | asg: i remember it .. nfc what it was |
| 03:12.39 | asg | abrotman: hmmm |
| 03:13.08 | diana | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/lV2oPb27.html <--- This is my /etc/network/interfaces file... I have my /etc/network/interfaces setup to use eth0 first...then if that fails use ath0...But eth0 takes so long ot realize the cat5e isn't plugged in...it wastes a long time in my boot up process...Is there a way to make interfaces realize that the cable isn't plugged in faster? Can I put like a timer on the amount of time it can try and get eth0 t |
| 03:13.17 | thc | asg: league of gentleman http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/l/leagueofgentleme_66602120.shtml |
| 03:13.25 | asg | diana: ifplugd |
| 03:13.26 | karrot-x | gravity: i think udev already created the mouse and/or failed at creating it |
| 03:13.34 | dondelelcaro | diana: blech |
| 03:13.36 | findme | diana, is it a laptop? |
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| 03:13.51 | asg | thc: ah, never saw that one. |
| 03:13.53 | thingfish | league of gentlemen...didn't that have robert fripp in it? |
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| 03:13.57 | dondelelcaro | diana: either use ifplugd, or use a mapping script to bring up the appropriate interface based on what mii-tool tells you |
| 03:14.05 | diana | findme: yes |
| 03:14.21 | findme | diana, depending on your runlevel use a init script. |
| 03:14.27 | romans8 | Greeting from South Pacific - Vanuatu |
| 03:14.30 | thingfish | league of gentlemen was a group, iirc. |
| 03:14.42 | thc | thingfish: different l.o.g. |
| 03:14.46 | thingfish | oh |
| 03:14.46 | excitatory | romans8: hello |
| 03:14.52 | romans8 | hi |
| 03:14.55 | findme | diana, I had the same issue, what I have now is /etc/rc2.d/Sxxxxrunme.sh where i have ifup ath0 |
| 03:15.03 | starscalling | hrm |
| 03:15.06 | findme | diana, my runlevel was 2 |
| 03:15.06 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 03:15.08 | thingfish | the one I remember had, iirc, robert fripp and adrian belew in it. |
| 03:15.31 | dfgd | I have to leave now. htnak you for your help thc. I forsee that I will have problems as i received error message when i placed cd 2 in during installation. |
| 03:15.33 | findme | diana, remove auto ath0 from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:15.33 | thingfish | goodnight, Tortel, sweet dreams. |
| 03:15.42 | Tortel | nn |
| 03:15.47 | excitatory | yes, thank you for your help thc |
| 03:16.10 | excitatory | ;) |
| 03:16.28 | stew | diana: http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/auto_networking |
| 03:16.47 | dfgd | I will most likely try the base-config again |
| 03:17.02 | thc | dfgd: that didn't work? |
| 03:17.08 | dfgd | yes |
| 03:17.15 | thc | yes it didn't? or yes it did |
| 03:17.17 | romans8 | anybody from Pacific here |
| 03:17.25 | dfgd | y it wrked |
| 03:17.26 | abrotman | pacific what ? |
| 03:17.27 | Azar | me |
| 03:17.29 | thc | dfgd: cool |
| 03:17.38 | dfgd | but there were error during installation |
| 03:17.42 | findme | abrotman, pst probably |
| 03:17.56 | thc | dfgd: installation of what, the X packages? |
| 03:17.56 | findme | mountain man here |
| 03:17.57 | abrotman | findme: no .. /whois .. i think he means south pacific |
| 03:17.57 | dfgd | on 2nd cd |
| 03:17.58 | Azar | pst here: 19:18 |
| 03:18.01 | romans8 | find out..........www.bokissa.vu |
| 03:18.12 | thingfish | vanuatu? |
| 03:18.13 | thc | dfgd: ah i didn't know you were using cdroms |
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| 03:18.22 | romans8 | yes |
| 03:18.28 | dfgd | yes |
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| 03:18.42 | dfgd | the machine isn't connected to the internet yet |
| 03:18.46 | thc | dfgd: you have boradband, why didn't you just do a network install |
| 03:18.48 | thingfish | sweet, there was a Survivor taped there. |
| 03:18.54 | thc | (ignore my last statement) |
| 03:19.06 | dfgd | its a spare machine |
| 03:19.09 | abrotman | thc: did you say somehting ? |
| 03:19.11 | dfgd | I'm brand new |
| 03:19.19 | thc | abrotman: nope |
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| 03:19.30 | dfgd | and I need a machine to use that I'm comfortable with |
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| 03:19.39 | dfgd | until I can use debian |
| 03:19.42 | thc | dfgd: so what was the error when trying to grab packages from cd? |
| 03:19.47 | dfgd | crap |
| 03:19.52 | excitatory | dfgd: can you connect it to a network? |
| 03:19.57 | thc | it actually said "crap" cool! |
| 03:20.04 | excitatory | (a net install is nice) |
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| 03:20.12 | dfgd | no |
| 03:20.19 | dfgd | i wish it said crap |
| 03:20.29 | dfgd | "problem installing software" |
| 03:20.55 | thc | dfgd: that's not a very informative error |
| 03:20.57 | dfgd | there is net nic card in machine |
| 03:21.00 | thingfish | but not crunk. crunk is from unstable. |
| 03:21.21 | dfgd | now it jumped back to base config |
| 03:21.22 | abrotman | junk ? |
| 03:21.35 | excitatory | o.0 |
| 03:21.36 | thingfish | crunk = crazy + drunk |
| 03:21.37 | dfgd | and asked to intsll packages again |
| 03:21.45 | karrot-x | anyone understand udev? i need to create /dev/psaux and or /dev/input/mice; i've been googling but i havent come up with much |
| 03:21.51 | thingfish | or so I read in some teen magazine. |
| 03:21.53 | dfgd | now we'll see if this disk is junk |
| 03:21.56 | thc | dfgd: do you have a nic you can throw in there? |
| 03:22.02 | dfgd | yes |
| 03:22.11 | excitatory | karrot-x: do you have a usb mouse that is not being detected? |
| 03:22.14 | thc | dfgd: your best bet is to get that machine on a network and run base-config again, afterwards |
| 03:22.26 | dfgd | ok |
| 03:22.31 | dfgd | but not tonight |
| 03:22.36 | dfgd | where are you thc? |
| 03:22.45 | thc | in my office, i just got home. |
| 03:22.50 | dfgd | ah |
| 03:22.50 | karrot-x | excitatory: no i have a ps/2 mouse that's not being detected |
| 03:22.57 | dfgd | I'm in Mass |
| 03:23.00 | Guerin | dfgd: if you drink the bong water you might find some more thc |
| 03:23.01 | dfgd | that's what Imeant |
| 03:23.06 | excitatory | dfgd: otherwise there are a lot of packages on a single cd..even more on multiple cds, and a lot on the dvd install disc. |
| 03:23.17 | slocate | question: do lcd have refresh rates? |
| 03:23.18 | thc | dfgd: i'm in so. cal. |
| 03:23.22 | asg | karrot-x: if you 'modprobe psmouse' and 'modprobe mousedev', do things work okay? |
| 03:23.24 | thc | slocate: yes |
| 03:23.27 | Guerin | slocate: yes. |
| 03:23.35 | Guerin | slocate: almost always 60 or 75 hz |
| 03:23.37 | excitatory | karrot-x: interesting..well, i have a standard logitech usb mouse that's not being detected.. |
| 03:23.41 | slocate | ok, how do I find out mines? |
| 03:23.42 | Guerin | vertical |
| 03:23.43 | dfgd | well its 30 degrees here |
| 03:23.47 | Guerin | slocate: use 60, it'll work |
| 03:23.57 | Guerin | slocate: /msg dpkg hwinfo |
| 03:23.58 | thc | Guerin: mine actually had two, like a crt (one range for hor. and one range for vert.) |
| 03:24.02 | asg | dfgd: centigrade or farenheit? |
| 03:24.06 | slocate | Guerin i have a "19 |
| 03:24.07 | Guerin | thc: oh, sure |
| 03:24.09 | dfgd | f |
| 03:24.13 | Guerin | slocate: don't matter |
| 03:24.35 | karrot-x | asg: actually yes that loaded x without freezing, which is a first |
| 03:24.40 | karrot-x | now i need to get it so that the mouse works :) |
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| 03:24.46 | dfgd | well, I'll be back again |
| 03:24.55 | thc | later. |
| 03:24.55 | dfgd | thanks for all the help again |
| 03:25.04 | thc | no prob. |
| 03:25.11 | asg | karrot-x: the mouse still doesn't work (i.e. you see the X cursor but it doesn't move)? |
| 03:25.21 | karrot-x | asg: ya |
| 03:26.37 | karrot-x | wait there we go |
| 03:26.48 | karrot-x | now it's working, i guess it wasnt fully plugged in |
| 03:26.48 | slocate | Guerin it seems hwinfo is not for testing |
| 03:27.02 | karrot-x | i guess i need to add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 03:27.16 | excitatory | asg: i am having the same problem, only w/ a usb mouse. any ideas? |
| 03:27.29 | thc | !usbmouse |
| 03:27.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 03:27.40 | asg | excitatory: make sure you have done 'modprobe usbhid' |
| 03:28.01 | karrot-x | i've had many many problems with debian and mice before |
| 03:28.01 | asg | karrot-x: and psmouse |
| 03:28.11 | karrot-x | it seems i natoriously suck with them :) |
| 03:28.38 | karrot-x | and spelling |
| 03:28.39 | excitatory | asg: thanks, fixed it. i suck. |
| 03:28.43 | karrot-x | i'm not even going to try and attempt that |
| 03:28.58 | slocate | by the way i'm running X --> 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 |
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| 03:29.24 | abrotman | gravity: thank you! |
| 03:29.25 | asg | excitatory: you don't suck. Failure is the greatest form of pedagogy. |
| 03:29.26 | excitatory | slocate: nice. |
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| 03:29.39 | excitatory | :p |
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| 03:29.46 | slocate | excitatory it is not running though |
| 03:29.53 | gravity | abrotman: Huh? |
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| 03:30.04 | abrotman | gravity: your packages are much better than Overfiend's :) |
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| 03:30.07 | excitatory | slocate: good luck. |
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| 03:30.21 | gravity | hehe |
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| 03:30.26 | slocate | something about being out of range |
| 03:30.37 | gravity | They're mostly his and daniels'. Modular is where I'm making my mark |
| 03:30.42 | gravity | Sorta |
| 03:30.45 | abrotman | gravity: the one thing i still have to try .. do you remember the GL screensavers crashing my X .. someday i'll reenable those |
| 03:31.00 | gravity | Those will still crash like mad |
| 03:31.02 | asg | gravity: you're doing a good job of it though. |
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| 03:31.18 | paperboyy | hello |
| 03:31.21 | gravity | Thanks :-) |
| 03:31.28 | paperboyy | hey, how can I launch an X application from xterm and be able to close the xterm without closing the x app? |
| 03:31.34 | paperboyy | firefox & |
| 03:31.42 | paperboyy | does not work |
| 03:31.54 | gravity | You could use screen to do it... |
| 03:31.55 | thc | abrotman: you mean GL crashing xorg, yes? |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. my i810 driver hasn't really changed ? |
| 03:31.58 | thc | not xfree86 |
| 03:32.01 | asg | paperboyy: nohup <foo> |
| 03:32.09 | gravity | abrotman: Not since 6.8, since you got the backport |
| 03:32.09 | abrotman | thc: yeah .. but only the screensavers .. i can play GL games |
| 03:32.14 | gravity | Although maybe for 6.9 final |
| 03:32.18 | abrotman | gravity: ah ok |
| 03:32.26 | thc | that's weird, the games are what crash my etch install |
| 03:32.29 | paperboyy | cool, nohup.. thanks |
| 03:32.35 | slocate | right now i have HorizSync 30-107 and VertRefresh 50-160 in my XF86Config-4 |
| 03:32.38 | gravity | Ah, nohup. Forgot about that. |
| 03:32.40 | thc | that "gl-117" game used to play fine on xfree, now it locks up insanely |
| 03:32.40 | gravity | Nice |
| 03:32.53 | slocate | that used to work for my regular tube monitor |
| 03:33.10 | Azar | my first screenshot of my beloved Debian: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/images/screen.jpg |
| 03:33.16 | Guerin | slocate: probably too high. Don't edit the config file, just run |
| 03:33.19 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 03:33.19 | slocate | anybody running X 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 on a lcd? |
| 03:33.19 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:33.25 | asg | gravity: it's like at(1), you don't use it very often but when you do, you just go "Damn, that's cool". |
| 03:33.32 | deadcat_ | openbox i see |
| 03:33.33 | Guerin | slocate: yes, but not all lcds are created equal |
| 03:33.42 | gravity | asg: Right. I knew it existed but totally forgot about it :-) |
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| 03:33.45 | gravity | Too many damn commands |
| 03:33.46 | Azar | yes deadcat_ and loving it |
| 03:33.54 | asg | gravity: yeah :) |
| 03:33.55 | abrotman | funny .. my first screen of debian looks like "machinename:~# " |
| 03:33.56 | deadcat | yoour screenshot sucks (= |
| 03:34.01 | gravity | abrotman: Congratulations! |
| 03:34.07 | gravity | Azar: ^ |
| 03:34.12 | abrotman | gravity: THANKS! |
| 03:34.14 | gravity | abrotman: And congratulations to you to! |
| 03:34.16 | gravity | too |
| 03:34.16 | gravity | Fuck |
| 03:34.21 | Azar | I saw that and could you elaborate? |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | !spellcheck gravity |
| 03:34.27 | gravity | I can't type or anything. Although I can totally ICE gcc :-p |
| 03:34.28 | thc | is etch going to release with a 2.4 kernel or only 2.6? |
| 03:34.38 | asg | gravity: it's a well known fact that IRC rots your brain and affects spelling and grammar |
| 03:34.40 | gravity | thc: Only 2.6 for arches that matter |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | thc: we'll see in a year i suppose |
| 03:34.51 | gravity | asg: No kidding. It's kinda terrifying what it's doing to me |
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| 03:35.00 | gravity | No one is interested in 2.4 |
| 03:35.00 | Azar | gravity ^ |
| 03:35.00 | thc | a year? i though etch was being released for christmas |
| 03:35.04 | abrotman | asg: wot u sei ? |
| 03:35.13 | toothpick | Where might I find libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 for sid? I'm trying to get freetennis to work. |
| 03:35.15 | abrotman | thc: next xmas |
| 03:35.21 | gravity | Azar: Elaborate on what? |
| 03:35.34 | asg | gravity: after 13 years of it, I'm surprised I don't just /join #foo and drool :) |
| 03:35.36 | thc | meh. i in no rush, sarge still does it's job more than adequately for my desktop hardware |
| 03:35.39 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:35.51 | gravity | Sarge installed on my new machine happily |
| 03:35.54 | Azar | gravity, n/m I am happy with what I got so far |
| 03:35.59 | gravity | Azar: Ah, Ok |
| 03:36.09 | stew | i'm ready for the weekend to start |
| 03:36.14 | asg | abrotman: having said that, I'm now singing 'Blind in Texas' by WASP. Thanks. |
| 03:36.14 | gravity | Sadly, ubuntu failed to install. I still can't find out what all the fuss is about |
| 03:36.16 | Azar | abrotman :) yes only I am not able to print a screenshot of that |
| 03:36.41 | Azar | gravity ask in #ubuntu, maybe they can help |
| 03:36.43 | asg | stew: I'm still waiting for the effects of the last one to wear off |
| 03:36.46 | thc | so it's safe to say that etch will also release with wireless and sata support (in the d-i) to eliminate the users coming in here crying about it... |
| 03:37.06 | thc | if it's not releasing for a year i mean |
| 03:37.09 | stew | thc: since sarge released with sata and wireless support, i'd say its likely |
| 03:37.13 | asg | thc: there will always be some frobnitz to cry about |
| 03:37.18 | gravity | Azar: Not worth the effort. I know the guys who wrote the installer... |
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| 03:37.26 | thc | stew: for real? how come users complain about it? |
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| 03:37.34 | gravity | Azar: Anyway, sarge installed fine and now it's running sid happily |
| 03:37.39 | asg | thc: they forget to use linux26 at the boot: prompt |
| 03:37.45 | thc | haha! |
| 03:37.45 | gravity | Well... sorta happily. gcc ICE'd on X :-p |
| 03:37.48 | abrotman | asg: at least you're not singing Hootie ? |
| 03:37.49 | stew | thc: because they don't check for compatability with *which* sata and wireless before they buy |
| 03:37.54 | Azar | gravity obviously you can go and hold them responsible for their job |
| 03:37.54 | thc | stew: ah. |
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| 03:38.20 | asg | abrotman: yeah, not my bag. |
| 03:38.34 | abrotman | asg: but they're from your state! |
| 03:38.50 | stew | abrotman: the hooters are from yours! |
| 03:39.04 | abrotman | stew: actually .. hooters are from florida |
| 03:39.07 | abrotman | err is from |
| 03:39.14 | asg | abrotman: there are thousands of country singers from my state that I equally don't like. |
| 03:39.16 | stew | nah |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | though .. there is one near my office that we take interns to :) |
| 03:39.21 | thc | either way i am proud to be an IDE user with cat5 plugged into my box |
| 03:39.24 | asg | abrotman: they have Mellons in FL |
| 03:39.27 | abrotman | stew: yes |
| 03:39.37 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 03:39.38 | stew | abrotman: http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/artists/hooters.htm |
| 03:39.41 | asg | thc: but it's awfully handy if you have it. |
| 03:39.46 | abrotman | stew: http://hooters.com/company/about_hooters/ |
| 03:39.53 | asg | stew: oh, those hooters. I thought you meant the bar/grill |
| 03:39.57 | abrotman | stew: i thought you meant the restaurant |
| 03:39.59 | thc | yeah i know, but to me it's new and new things scare me. |
| 03:40.07 | stew | we were talking about bad singing, right? |
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| 03:40.34 | abrotman | can anyone hear asg sing ? |
| 03:41.04 | thc | ehm. no? i can hear my chick drying her hair with bon jovi blasting in the bathroom though |
| 03:41.04 | asg | abrotman: I have actually been recorded singing really bad punk. I hope those tapes never see the light of day. |
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| 03:41.27 | excitatory | thc: dump her. |
| 03:41.33 | abrotman | wtf knew there was a hooters magazine |
| 03:41.45 | abrotman | asg: i know where you live! |
| 03:41.48 | asg | abrotman: the band or the restaurant? |
| 03:41.52 | thc | excitatory: if you saw my chick you'd know why i put up with the occasional rock-ballad |
| 03:41.52 | abrotman | asg: oh wait .. i'll ask spoopin |
| 03:41.52 | stew | abrotman: maybe someday we'll see him sing: http://jackalopejacks.com/images/butcamera.gif |
| 03:42.05 | abrotman | asg: restaurant |
| 03:42.07 | ideal | Hi. Something wrong on Jens Schmalzing? I just got bad news about him. |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | gravity: that's just wrong |
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| 03:42.15 | asg | abrotman: they have their own airline now apparently |
| 03:42.16 | Mrdini | yo all |
| 03:42.16 | thc | emo? whoa. gravity, you are the man. |
| 03:42.19 | gravity | ideal: Yeah... he passed away a few months ago |
| 03:42.23 | abrotman | asg: that i know |
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| 03:42.50 | Mrdini | on a production server, if a server's being upgraded from woody to sarge, how long would downtime be hypothetically? |
| 03:42.54 | asg | abrotman: now, all I have to do is get work to send me to Perl Whirl on Hooters Air and I'll be set. |
| 03:42.55 | ideal | gravity: Sorry, I just got it. That's really a bad news. |
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| 03:43.01 | gravity | ideal: Yeah, it is |
| 03:43.06 | litage | what's the point of resolv.conf's "search" option? i put "search foo.com" but when asking firefox to resolve "banana", my machine doesn't try banana.foo.com |
| 03:43.14 | asg | Mrdini: what services are being run on your server? |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | asg: somehow .. i doubt it will happen |
| 03:43.27 | Mrdini | asg, hmm, LAMP basically |
| 03:43.34 | jdhutchin1 | litage, that's an issue with firefox, not resolv.conf |
| 03:43.40 | ideal | gravity: Anything changed on Debian by the loss? |
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| 03:43.50 | jdhutchin1 | litage, firefox will do an "I'm feeling lucky" search if it doesn't look like a domain |
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| 03:43.53 | gravity | ideal: Well, it was discussed a bit in private |
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| 03:44.07 | gravity | ideal: I think his packages are being cared for though |
| 03:44.08 | abrotman | see .. that darn -private again! |
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| 03:44.17 | ideal | gravity: Thanks. |
| 03:44.20 | litage | jdhutchin1: even ``ping banana'' doesn't attempt banana.foo.com though |
| 03:44.24 | asg | Mrdini: well, the time it takes to install the packages once they are downloaded provided there are no odd configuration oddities that you have to address manually. |
| 03:44.43 | asg | Mrdini: probably no more than a few minutes for a fastish server. |
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| 03:45.14 | Mrdini | asg, so a few hours give or take? (this is assuming that the upgrade's been tested beforehand on a cloned machine and all :P) |
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| 03:45.32 | Mrdini | oh, so short? don't you need to reboot to complete a Woody -> Sarge upgrade? |
| 03:46.03 | asg | Mrdini: oh, a few hours is plenty. The actual time where a client would not be able to access content is more on the order of a few minutes. |
| 03:46.03 | asg | Mrdini: only if you install a newer kernel |
| 03:46.03 | gravity | Probably a good idea though |
| 03:46.12 | Mrdini | thought Woody -> Sarge DID include upgrading kernel |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | it can |
| 03:46.20 | asg | Mrdini: you should do but that isn't part of the woody -> sarge upgrade by default |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | it doesn't have to |
| 03:46.28 | Mrdini | ah, gotcha |
| 03:46.57 | Mrdini | well, I'll obviously be checking everything beforehand :P cloning servers & all that :P |
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| 03:47.09 | Mrdini | paper & pen in hand :P |
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| 03:47.17 | abrotman | !fai |
| 03:47.17 | dpkg | hmm... fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 03:47.30 | syberdave | hey, have you noticed that "debian" rhymes with "lesbian" ? |
| 03:47.37 | thc | !lesbian |
| 03:47.37 | dpkg | methinks lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 03:47.39 | asg | syberdave: yes |
| 03:47.47 | asg | syberdave: there's even a faux distro ^^^ |
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| 03:47.54 | thc | porn-get++ |
| 03:47.58 | asg | abrotman: yeah baby yeah! |
| 03:48.01 | thc | pink decks? wtf |
| 03:48.01 | Mrdini | abrot, this is an already running production server so don't think fai is good |
| 03:48.12 | syberdave | cool, thanks. i'll see if i want that distro on my desktop |
| 03:48.16 | thc | i hope it's a pink sl1200 |
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| 03:48.45 | loca|host | my debian install cd wont detect my SCSI hard disk (Dell PowerEdge), howto resolve this problem |
| 03:48.45 | abrotman | Mrdini: ok .. fine .. i don't care! |
| 03:48.53 | Mrdini | I meant cloning as in cloning to Virtual PC to check the upgrade goes flawlessly :P |
| 03:49.38 | asg | loca|host: try manually 'modprobe megaraid' or megaraid2 after you get to the language choice screen. |
| 03:49.44 | excitatory | loca|host: have you tried booting with 'linux26' |
| 03:50.24 | asg | loca|host: you'll have to switch to a console (alt+f2) |
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| 03:51.08 | loca|host | ok i'll test that asg, did you face this ? |
| 03:51.19 | loca|host | excitatory, i didnt tried, i'll do |
| 03:51.35 | konfuzed | hey im just checkin in for reasons to use gnome or kde on my home server. |
| 03:51.42 | asg | loca|host: I have with woody. Haven't seen that with sarge but those machines are in production. |
| 03:51.42 | abrotman | you wouldn't |
| 03:51.48 | abrotman | servers don't run X :) |
| 03:51.49 | konfuzed | i dont need it for a desktop but |
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| 03:52.17 | konfuzed | isnt there some merrit to X tools of some kind for dealing wtih simple servers |
| 03:52.28 | loca|host | ok thx a lot asg and excitatory |
| 03:52.30 | asg | loca|host: we used to be a Dell shop, we now use IBM HS20s which have their own set of problems. |
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| 03:52.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: those actually aren't my tables; they're at a bar. Mine are black. |
| 03:52.38 | konfuzed | or low demand or hallucinated demand server setups |
| 03:52.47 | thc | dondelelcaro: 1210s? |
| 03:53.05 | thc | if you say numark, i will cry |
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| 03:53.50 | konfuzed | so i now servers dont need X but isnt there any benefits in some kinda case scenario? |
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| 03:54.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sure sure :) |
| 03:54.01 | konfuzed | s/i now/I know/ |
| 03:54.16 | asg | loca|host: also, if that doesn't work try http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ (very Dell specific custom installers) |
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| 03:54.38 | konfuzed | asg: very interesting |
| 03:54.57 | konfuzed | iv been look at debian on used IBM Netvistas |
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| 03:55.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2003/09_september/turntables_09022003/001_tripple_tables_09022003.jpg |
| 03:55.25 | konfuzed | is there any debian specific stuff for IBM net vistas? |
| 03:55.30 | gravity | konfuzed: If you really want a GUI to do work on a server, then yeah, it makes sense |
| 03:55.35 | konfuzed | any body know about that |
| 03:55.35 | asg | konfuzed: the issue with the HS20s is that they come with Broadcom nics that the sarge installer doesn't work with without firmware. I don't know about the vistas though. |
| 03:55.35 | gravity | konfuzed: But it's not required by any means |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: though .. the pink ones kind of match the shirt :) |
| 03:55.53 | dondelelcaro | the shirt is blue and orange, actually... |
| 03:56.00 | konfuzed | gravity: thanks for saying. |
| 03:56.08 | Elly | hey guys, cdrecord fails: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg5'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 03:56.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. but kind of wacky |
| 03:56.23 | Elly | and cdrecord -scanbus shows "No target found" |
| 03:56.26 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 03:56.28 | konfuzed | gravity: I understand why for a real server it is ridiculous to run X but |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you do this for money or fun ? |
| 03:56.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: what, play records? for fun, primarily. |
| 03:56.56 | konfuzed | im trying to figure out if theres any debian perks to using X on for some thing |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i mean .. you don't seek out paying gigs |
| 03:57.10 | gravity | konfuzed: Well, what do you want to do? |
| 03:57.17 | gravity | konfuzed: Debian isn't really built around X |
| 03:57.18 | thc | dondelelcaro: those are some fancy slipmats |
| 03:57.19 | abrotman | i play records for fun .. but it's more passive i imagine .. like .. putting them on and sitting down :) |
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| 03:57.27 | konfuzed | explore debian and run a bunch of stuff to test it out |
| 03:57.28 | caphuso | Elly: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 03:57.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if people want to pay, sure... but I don't take requests when I play |
| 03:57.33 | Bofia | hey |
| 03:57.37 | asg | dondelelcaro: nice rig |
| 03:57.44 | Bofia | is it possible to have 2 video cards for 1 moniter |
| 03:57.46 | gravity | konfuzed: Well, there's plenty to explore that's X-based, but it's mainly desktop type stuff. |
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| 03:57.54 | gravity | konfuzed: There's also tons to explore that's not X-based |
| 03:57.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: so were i to move to CA .. i'd never see you in a club or some such thing ? |
| 03:58.00 | konfuzed | see what debian has to offer on server side and desktop |
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| 03:58.26 | Elly | aha |
| 03:58.27 | konfuzed | suse has some noted gui admin tools but Im not much of a desktop user |
| 03:58.28 | Elly | then I get some stuff |
| 03:58.39 | gravity | konfuzed: Debian doesn't really have any gui admin tools |
| 03:58.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no... only my friends |
| 03:58.52 | dondelelcaro | (and only if you know which clubs to go to) |
| 03:58.57 | gravity | It sorta does, but not seriously |
| 03:59.08 | asg | gravity: xterm -e dpkg-reconfigure <foo> |
| 03:59.15 | gravity | asg: Exactly |
| 03:59.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok .. if i ever make it out there .. i'll ask :) |
| 03:59.21 | konfuzed | ive also decided to install *ubuntu on used or new computers that people insist I help them buy |
| 03:59.30 | pre-newbie | wondering if anyone could help me get my cdrom to mount i have an error |
| 03:59.31 | konfuzed | ;60 |
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| 03:59.39 | caphuso | Elly: good. then you can use dev=ATA:x,y,z with x,y,z being the 3 numbers for your burner |
| 03:59.43 | konfuzed | as you know thats very debian based |
| 04:00.01 | dondelelcaro | although, one of them tours the planet nowdays; was playing weekend before last in brazil |
| 04:00.20 | konfuzed | I just put a box together for a teacher and so put edubuntu on it |
| 04:00.24 | konfuzed | and i like what I see |
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| 04:00.37 | konfuzed | for an end user teacher that is |
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| 04:01.34 | konfuzed | I know its not the same as debian but it did make me consider the possibilties of benefits to run X on my home toy server. |
| 04:01.59 | konfuzed | my debian box is installed but not really doing any thing yet. |
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| 04:03.29 | gravity | konfuzed: Well if you want to do it, go for it. It's your machine, right? |
| 04:03.32 | gravity | Play with it as you want |
| 04:03.35 | thc | abrotman: you can come watch me next time i come to philly, but my coffin only hold two decks |
| 04:03.41 | thc | three turntables would make my head explode |
| 04:03.46 | Elly | caphuso: cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 04:03.50 | abrotman | thc: yeah .. but where? |
| 04:04.08 | thc | abrotman: i never know, i go to clubs with j smooth and it's different every time |
| 04:04.18 | konfuzed | gravity: llimited time though and I did nt want to run into the forest to look for elves only to find skunks |
| 04:04.19 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 04:04.26 | abrotman | thc: is that your cousin ? |
| 04:04.28 | caphuso | Elly: fucked up permissions on /dev/hdc? |
| 04:04.40 | Elly | I tried 'ATAPI:' instead of 'ATA:' and it looks happy |
| 04:04.41 | thc | abrotman: no, my girlfriend is his best friend (she was born in philly) |
| 04:04.52 | thc | he comes here a few times a year and we go there |
| 04:04.56 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 04:04.57 | konfuzed | if there is not something that admins like from X then |
| 04:05.07 | myren | how do i do loopback mounting? i have a fs for a embedded router i want to mount and pull some files off of |
| 04:05.17 | gravity | konfuzed: The rule of thumb with servers is to run only what you need and no more and no less |
| 04:05.32 | gravity | konfuzed: So most admins know how to get by without X on the server itself just fine, so they don't run it |
| 04:05.37 | konfuzed | perhaps i'll just find another box for a workstation on X |
| 04:05.38 | caphuso | myren: mount -o loop filesystem.image /some/palce |
| 04:05.53 | IRC-mini-HOWTO | quit |
| 04:06.08 | myren | caphuso: i can mount -t xyz -o loop i presume |
| 04:06.10 | thc | that is the best ircnick ever |
| 04:06.13 | gravity | konfuzed: That said, most admins are doing remote admin from their box that does run X |
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| 04:06.21 | gravity | konfuzed: So they get X where they need it |
| 04:06.35 | konfuzed | and have Xubuntu on there so I know what these people are looking at when they call up with Xubuntu on the screen |
| 04:06.58 | gravity | Xubuntu? |
| 04:07.00 | gravity | Another one? |
| 04:07.04 | konfuzed | hm yes I suppose that makes more sense |
| 04:07.13 | gozz | in the /msg dpkg for java-package it said to apt-get install java-package but it replied couldnt find package do i need to add a source for it? |
| 04:07.15 | abrotman | that's almost a QOTD .. the irc-mini-howto missed the / on his /quit |
| 04:07.24 | konfuzed | well X as in Y Z as opposed to * |
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| 04:07.50 | konfuzed | k/ed/u/buntu |
| 04:07.56 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 04:08.05 | thc | wtf is edbuntu? |
| 04:08.11 | gravity | Ah, xubuntu is ubuntu for xfce |
| 04:08.15 | gravity | How weird |
| 04:08.17 | caphuso | gozz: you need the contrib repository |
| 04:08.19 | thc | sounds like a japanese dish, served with soy beans |
| 04:08.27 | gravity | It's kinda weird that they need different subprojects just to use their gui of choice |
| 04:08.27 | konfuzed | damn syntax |
| 04:08.35 | gravity | But then, that's the price for standardization I guess |
| 04:08.38 | caphuso | thc: ubuntu derivative aimed for schools |
| 04:08.46 | thc | ah. makes sense |
| 04:08.48 | gozz | caphuso how do i get that? |
| 04:08.53 | konfuzed | technically k/edu/u/buntu or k/ed/ubuntu |
| 04:08.56 | caphuso | gozz: man 5 sources.list |
| 04:09.19 | konfuzed | gravity: did you just confirm that some where? |
| 04:09.25 | abrotman | isn't there .. like .. debian/edu ? |
| 04:09.26 | pre-newbie | grr i keep getting this error...mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:09.30 | gravity | konfuzed: Confirm what? |
| 04:09.40 | konfuzed | xfce and Xubuntu |
| 04:09.48 | gravity | konfuzed: I just googled it |
| 04:10.00 | thc | pre-newbie: so specify one using -t |
| 04:10.02 | konfuzed | man now I have to update my syntax |
| 04:10.06 | rasberry | anybody have a problem installing debian with cerc sata raid5 |
| 04:10.08 | rasberry | ? |
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| 04:10.23 | konfuzed | k/x/ed/ubuntu |
| 04:10.43 | pre-newbie | mount "/dev/hdc" -t "/media/cdrom" ?? |
| 04:10.54 | konfuzed | maybe i should put xfce on the server cause xfce is so lite |
| 04:10.55 | pre-newbie | is that accurate I do not know yet what -t is |
| 04:10.56 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 04:11.02 | str8edge | hey I just upgraded my debian box, and I have lost my cdrom device icons, can someone help me? |
| 04:11.04 | konfuzed | oh never mind |
| 04:11.06 | rasberry | It seems to install okay but get kernel panic out reboot |
| 04:11.06 | syberdave | pre-newbie: don't need a -t |
| 04:11.11 | syberdave | usually |
| 04:11.17 | syberdave | oh |
| 04:11.17 | syberdave | nm |
| 04:11.18 | skrewler1 | how can i update sarge to etch |
| 04:11.18 | thc | pre-newbie: are you using fstab? or the mount command, manually |
| 04:11.36 | pre-newbie | i hase looked at fstab |
| 04:11.46 | konfuzed | one buntu with 4 users k x edu u each with their respective windower |
| 04:11.47 | pre-newbie | there is a line in ther for my cdrom |
| 04:12.09 | abrotman | too much *buntu talk .. make it stop! ... i'm going to lose my mind |
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| 04:12.44 | rasberry | just before the painic I get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" |
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| 04:12.54 | thc | pre-newbie: so if the entry for your cdrom is already there, why are you adding one? did you install a new device? |
| 04:13.07 | thc | later abrotman |
| 04:13.08 | konfuzed | abrotman: thats ok I figured out to keep buntu look alikes away from the Debian Server |
| 04:13.16 | konfuzed | so it was worth it |
| 04:13.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:13.20 | str8edge | rasberry: thats usually because grub is pointing to the wrong drive/partion |
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| 04:13.40 | rasberry | str8edge is that right? |
| 04:14.03 | rasberry | I just marked it as the boot partition |
| 04:14.21 | rasberry | I am using the minimal cd image |
| 04:14.27 | slacker- | hello, since debian has 14 cd's, how will i know on what cd a certain package belongs to ... in debian site they are by category order not by cd ... |
| 04:14.29 | skrewler1 | how can i bring sarge to etch? |
| 04:14.39 | str8edge | rasberry: in the kernel line in your menu.lst, the root=/dev/xxxx is most likely incorrect. |
| 04:14.41 | rasberry | there aren't a ton of options |
| 04:14.51 | felix975 | Does anyone know of a clear and concise tutorial for installing the 2 disc DVD version of Sarge? |
| 04:14.52 | pre-newbie | thc: from what i read i can enter mount "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom" or mount "/media/cdrom" |
| 04:14.54 | str8edge | rasberry: this line =>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14-2-686-smp root=/dev/sdb2 ro |
| 04:15.06 | rasberry | can it edit this by going into a shell |
| 04:15.07 | rasberry | ? |
| 04:15.12 | str8edge | in grub? |
| 04:15.14 | str8edge | yup.. |
| 04:15.25 | rasberry | I am actually just in the installer still |
| 04:15.26 | thc | pre-newbie: what are you trying to do, exactly |
| 04:15.30 | str8edge | rasberry: highlight the line, and type e |
| 04:15.40 | pre-newbie | i just want to look at the files on a cd for practice |
| 04:15.48 | pre-newbie | i got an audio cd in there |
| 04:15.52 | rasberry | the line in the installer list you mean? |
| 04:15.56 | thc | pre-newbie: you can't mount an audio cd |
| 04:15.57 | str8edge | rasberry check the in the /target/boot/menu.lst |
| 04:16.03 | skrewler1 | halp, how can i update my (just installed) sarge system to etch? i want to use xorg and stuff. |
| 04:16.11 | rasberry | okay |
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| 04:16.29 | koshnaranek | skrewler1 do you have synaptic installed? |
| 04:16.32 | pre-newbie | so if i put my darge cd in there i can mount it? |
| 04:16.38 | skrewler1 | koshnaranek: yeah |
| 04:16.41 | str8edge | skewler1: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:16.43 | thc | pre-newbie: yes, a data cd would be better |
| 04:16.56 | str8edge | skrewler1: change stable to testing |
| 04:17.03 | thc | pre-newbie: audio cds can be played back in your media players, you don't mount them though |
| 04:17.03 | koshnaranek | you can use the menu on synaptic to change your sources from stable to testing |
| 04:17.08 | str8edge | skrewler1: the apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:17.16 | gozz | caphuso do you know if the "java-package" is like the java i would get from sun to run java apps? |
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| 04:17.21 | pre-newbie | can you still play cds in liunx then? |
| 04:17.24 | rasberry | str8edge: my questions is more about when this should take place. I am in the installer but the wquestion is where and when to do this? |
| 04:17.29 | thc | pre-newbie: of course |
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| 04:17.35 | skrewler1 | str8edge: oh nice. thank you. hey is this likely to work without tons of things breaking? |
| 04:17.37 | koshnaranek | however, you might want to use synaptic to just update to xorg first |
| 04:17.39 | str8edge | rasberry: at the end. |
| 04:17.39 | Nurbs | !tell skrewler1 about sarge->etch |
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| 04:17.57 | str8edge | skrewler1: i did it and lost access to my cdrom drives, which is why i cam on here tonight! |
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| 04:18.15 | str8edge | anyone know how to get udev to recognize my cdroms? |
| 04:18.16 | syberdave | !tell syberdave about sarge->etch |
| 04:18.17 | excitatory- | Nurbs: so, adding in the unix socket support worked..but my keyboard still does nothing at the slowly blinking logon prompt. |
| 04:18.21 | koshnaranek | if you take your time and update only a select portion of things at a time, there is less chance of something catastrophic breaking |
| 04:18.36 | Nurbs | excitatory: heh. USB keyboard? PS/2? |
| 04:18.48 | felix975 | Anyone familiar and willing to answer a question or two regarding the installation of the DVD Sarge package with a multiboot system? |
| 04:19.00 | str8edge | felix975 |
| 04:19.03 | koshnaranek | like update to xorg first, see if that works, then update other things as you have the need, you will have the repositories available to update what is needed when it is needed |
| 04:19.08 | thc | whoa. i'm comfortable with my sexuality and all, but hey, i don't know you that well. |
| 04:19.10 | str8edge | i can try and answer, but i always do netinsts. |
| 04:19.16 | pre-newbie | lol |
| 04:19.38 | gozz | anyone else know? |
| 04:19.45 | pre-newbie | so what is it with wav files on a cdrom in linux |
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| 04:20.08 | thc | pre-newbie: i don't know exactly why you don't mount them, i just know you don't |
| 04:20.15 | str8edge | gozz: the java-package will allow you to install suns java on your debina box |
| 04:20.16 | thc | practice with a data cd and you won't have any problems |
| 04:20.28 | koshnaranek | of course, that's the political way to do it, but gosh! i sure like it when my box doesnt work and i cant go online because liblskdfj3958439 version 3049.345.02 acidentally rm -fr'd /etc! |
| 04:20.30 | felix975 | str8edge: I have to plead total ignorance on this... Want to start learning how to use Linux and such. Want to be able to dual-boot it on my laptop that already has XP. Looking for a good tutorial on how to partition the HD. |
| 04:20.33 | rasberry | str8edge which boot method should i use - expert26? |
| 04:20.35 | pre-newbie | yea i got it working but what if I wanted to pull a wav file from a cd onto the hard drive |
| 04:20.38 | skrewler1 | Thanks all. hopefully this doesn't break too much |
| 04:20.52 | koshnaranek | good luck |
| 04:20.55 | str8edge | rasberry: i use linux26 (i think) |
| 04:20.56 | koshnaranek | :D |
| 04:21.02 | thc | pre-newbie: are you using gnome? |
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| 04:21.11 | pre-newbie | kde |
| 04:21.12 | rasberry | str8edge: cool - I am going for it |
| 04:21.23 | gozz | ok so i install the java package then the bin from the website correct? |
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| 04:21.36 | str8edge | felix975: they is the filesystem howto, on tldp.org, but its outdated.. look at the gentoo installation instructions.. they are pretty good for explaing how to partition the drive. |
| 04:21.45 | Nurbs | gozz: no. make-jpkg in java-package converts the .bin to a .deb which you install |
| 04:21.49 | thc | pre-newbie: i don't know how you would do that in kde, in gnome i imagine you could just drag and drop on the desktop |
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| 04:21.59 | pre-newbie | okay thanks |
| 04:22.12 | gozz | cool thanks |
| 04:22.13 | pre-newbie | you ve solved my 2 hour problem in 5 mintutes |
| 04:22.14 | felix975 | str8edge: Is that information on the DVD or on a website? I'm not familiar with gentoo. |
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| 04:22.15 | rasberry | str8edge: by the way - why are we using grub now ... last I looked lilo was the one |
| 04:22.19 | Nurbs | gozz: install java-pacakage and check its docs in /usr/share/doc and make-jpkg's man page (possibly also dpkg's man page for installation) |
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| 04:22.23 | syberdave | just for the record, porn-get is poorly written |
| 04:22.33 | thc | haha all you had to do was say you were trying to mount an audio cd and someone would have told you that you can't |
| 04:23.07 | Nurbs | syberdave: that's why lesbian gnu/linux isn't really meant to be a release for everyone yet. |
| 04:23.08 | str8edge | rasberry: my guess is grub is a little more "up to date" than lilo, and provides a little more flexibility.. i prefer lilo, but i am using grub |
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| 04:23.26 | bpage | anyone have an idea how to get totem to play dvd movies |
| 04:23.28 | syberdave | it isn't even a .deb.. ?! |
| 04:23.33 | str8edge | felix975: its on www.gentoo.org.. |
| 04:23.42 | Daedalus_ | bpage: Uh, play disc? |
| 04:23.48 | gozz | can i just convert the rpm with alien? |
| 04:23.51 | str8edge | bpage: look up debian-marillat on google. |
| 04:23.56 | bpage | it says can't find file format |
| 04:23.57 | Nurbs | gozz: no, don't try that. |
| 04:23.57 | str8edge | gozz: use the bin! |
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| 04:24.06 | gozz | ok |
| 04:24.09 | thc | bpage: you insert a dvd and use "Play Disc" |
| 04:24.11 | Daedalus_ | bpage: you may have to get the libdvdcs stuff from marillat, |
| 04:24.22 | rasberry | str8edge: also, is there a max on the size of my swap partition. I have it at 10GB just because I have 1.2TB of storage and a lot of memory. I get the skull and crossbones in the installer though |
| 04:24.24 | thc | bpage: apt-get install libdvdcss |
| 04:24.30 | Nurbs | gozz: the .deb will also install the java plugin in all your browsers correctly and stuff like that |
| 04:24.37 | str8edge | rasberry: how much ram? |
| 04:24.46 | bpage | thanks thc |
| 04:24.54 | rasberry | 8GB\ |
| 04:25.13 | secher | in iptables rules, for connections states, is NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED acceptable? |
| 04:25.19 | str8edge | rasberry: you can use multiple swap partitons.. |
| 04:25.37 | Daedalus_ | secher: to my knowledge, yes, but #iptables might help you more. |
| 04:25.42 | rasberry | str8edge: would I want to. Is there a max limit? |
| 04:25.56 | str8edge | rasberry: try creating 2 8 gb swap partitions.. can i ask why you have 8gb? |
| 04:25.59 | Nurbs | rasberry: I've used a 200GB swap partition nicely |
| 04:26.13 | secher | Daedalus_, Thanks. You wouldn't by any chance know a character named Stephen, would you? |
| 04:26.23 | syberdave | Nurbs: wtf would take up 200gb of ram? |
| 04:26.29 | Daedalus_ | secher: Uh, no. Should I? |
| 04:26.39 | Nurbs | actually, I even used a multi-TB swap partition created in a sparse file iirc |
| 04:26.55 | Nurbs | syberdave: I just checked what Linux would do... :) |
| 04:26.57 | str8edge | rasberry: I'm using 4.5GB of swap right now. |
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| 04:26.59 | secher | Daedalus_, Not necessarily, just a character in a book with the last name Daedalus. |
| 04:27.01 | rasberry | str8edge: I just have so much drive space and I plan to do some heavy production work this box. The answer is really that I just have the space |
| 04:27.23 | syberdave | swap over NFS is fun |
| 04:27.26 | str8edge | rasberry: make my 2gb look tiny :) |
| 04:27.27 | Daedalus_ | secher: Heh. Daedalus from the greek mythology... Icarus' father and all that |
| 04:27.33 | str8edge | swap ofer nfs is dangerous! |
| 04:27.46 | syberdave | bur Nurbs wants to check what linux would do |
| 04:27.48 | syberdave | *but |
| 04:28.20 | rasberry | str8edge: also I made the old 8MB /boot partition. Is the is necessary anymore. My bios is pretty up to date |
| 04:28.29 | secher | Daedalus_, Right. Forgot about him. Stephen Daedalus is from Joyce's Ulysses, hence the name. |
| 04:28.34 | Daedalus_ | Ah |
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| 04:28.47 | Nurbs | rasberry: I'd create a larger one |
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| 04:29.03 | rasberry | Nurbs: why is that? |
| 04:29.06 | Nurbs | rasberry: it can be useful in cases like root on software raid, cryptoroot, lvm etc. |
| 04:29.13 | secher | Daedalus_, Thanks for the help. Peace. |
| 04:29.15 | str8edge | rasberry: debian is sitting on a 250 GB drive, as the list 50 GB, and i'm not using a /boot partition. I also have no IDE drives, SATA baby! |
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| 04:29.29 | Nurbs | rasberry: because a single initrd/initramfs kernel can already take about half of that. |
| 04:29.51 | ifup | Hello, does linux have such a thing as a virtual serial port? I want to hang my gps off of one box and access it from another. |
| 04:29.55 | rasberry | is there a limit on the boot partition these days? |
| 04:30.03 | Nurbs | rasberry: what sort of limit? |
| 04:30.03 | str8edge | rasberry: Nurbs is right.. on my server (which i use LVM), I have a 256 MB boot partition. |
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| 04:30.15 | str8edge | nope |
| 04:30.35 | str8edge | my server's original boot partiton was an old 4GB drive :) |
| 04:30.38 | pre-newbie | thc: i keep reading that you have to unmount before you can eject your cd but i never have to do that |
| 04:30.43 | rasberry | it used to be that the boot loader could only find the kernel image in the first 1024 blocks |
| 04:31.02 | str8edge | if your running a p4/amd64 machine there should be no problem. |
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| 04:31.25 | Daedalus_ | ifup: well... yes and no. You might want to check out SANE, or see about hacking together some utils to read the port and forward the data across ssh or netcat |
| 04:31.25 | rasberry | nevertheless I have to work out this kernel panic and I can worry about that stuff later |
| 04:31.37 | rasberry | It is a dual xeon box |
| 04:31.47 | Daedalus_ | ifup: But I don't know of anything offhand that will do it in one sexy, sleek package. |
| 04:31.49 | lightmyst | what is the best way to have a windows system connect to a debian server via the internet |
| 04:32.02 | ifup | Daedalus_, ok thanks |
| 04:32.04 | Daedalus_ | ifup: not to say that there isn't something out there for you though. |
| 04:32.14 | lightmyst | for a vpn secure connection |
| 04:32.40 | Nurbs | lightmyst: there are many solutions... an easy and popular one is OpenVPN |
| 04:33.14 | Nurbs | lightmyst: you could do IPsec, too |
| 04:33.15 | str8edge | rasberry: are you using sata? |
| 04:33.33 | lightmyst | Do you know of any howto's that would make this a bit easier |
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| 04:33.48 | Nurbs | lightmyst: google for stfw :o) |
| 04:34.02 | str8edge | lightmyst: openvpn |
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| 04:34.21 | str8edge | nurbs: have you played with udev at all? |
| 04:34.41 | rasberry | str8edge: yes i have a hardware raid cerc sata 1.5/6channel |
| 04:34.53 | Nurbs | I've been using udev as soon as it was available in unstable or experimental |
| 04:35.22 | lightmyst | I have been searching the web just I have read so many damn exaples I have no idea what is the best way... |
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| 04:35.39 | secher | Daedalus_, Hello? |
| 04:35.44 | str8edge | rasberry: check the device name in your grub commands. highlight the line, and type "e" to bring up the commands |
| 04:35.49 | str8edge | this is at the grub menu, |
| 04:35.50 | Nurbs | lightmyst: you need to get a decision maker. |
| 04:36.00 | lightmyst | I agree |
| 04:36.09 | Nurbs | lightmyst: a dice? :) |
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| 04:36.14 | str8edge | nurbs: any ide how to get udev to recognise my cdroms? |
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| 04:36.24 | lightmyst | that is why I figured I would get opinions from such fine people like your self... |
| 04:36.26 | str8edge | s/ide/idea |
| 04:36.26 | rasberry | str8edge: how do I get to the grub menu - throught a shell? |
| 04:36.40 | str8edge | rasberry: when you're booting. |
| 04:36.41 | Nurbs | lightmyst: I gave you one and a half :) |
| 04:36.44 | secher | Nurbs: is that some new tool to which we can attach blame when their decisions are wrong? <grin> |
| 04:36.45 | gozz | after the java.deb is built i just use the dpkg -i java.deb correct? |
| 04:36.54 | str8edge | gozz: yes |
| 04:37.05 | gozz | thanks |
| 04:37.09 | coreid | Folks: anyone using NetworkManger on debian? are there any prebuild packages? |
| 04:37.15 | Nurbs | str8edge: mhm... IDE cd-rom? |
| 04:37.29 | secher | coreid: did you try apt-cache search? |
| 04:37.36 | str8edge | nurbs: yeah, i have /hda, and hdc as ide devices, my hds are sata |
| 04:37.46 | stew | lightmyst: what version of debian are you running? what version of udev? |
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| 04:37.56 | str8edge | nurbs: make that /dev/hda, and /dev/hdc |
| 04:38.04 | gozz | does the i386 matter im on i686? |
| 04:38.06 | rasberry | str8edge: I am used to the old fisk interface. this new stuff is a little to friendly. why do I have a skull a xbones by swap partition when everyting else has a smiley face? |
| 04:38.20 | str8edge | not sure.. |
| 04:38.20 | coreid | secher: yup its not there in default repositories. |
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| 04:38.44 | stew | err |
| 04:38.56 | stew | str8edge: what version of debian are you running? and what version of udev? |
| 04:39.20 | Nurbs | str8edge: do you have /etc/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules? |
| 04:39.20 | secher | coreid: then it's prolly not available.. also check packages.debian.org and do a search. and then google it, someone may have build non-debian-group packages. |
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| 04:39.30 | Nurbs | str8edge: ehm, /etc/udev/rules.d/... |
| 04:39.52 | rasberry | Also I get an installation error tell me the the installation to the target file system has been canceled because of previous entries and that I shoudl go back and erase the the target file before proceeding. What do that mean? |
| 04:39.54 | str8edge | udev version is 0.074-3 |
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| 04:40.10 | secher | what does one call a package for debain that is not under the debian.org umbrella of developers and maintainers? |
| 04:40.20 | str8edge | rasberry: not sure.. |
| 04:40.31 | coreid | secher: I will look around thanks! |
| 04:40.48 | Nurbs | secher: 3rd party .deb? :) |
| 04:40.54 | str8edge | Nurbs: I have a cd-aliases.rules |
| 04:40.59 | gozz | i got dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 04:41.09 | Nurbs | str8edge: in rules.d? |
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| 04:41.17 | gozz | do i just apt the programs? |
| 04:41.23 | secher | Nurbs, sounds good to me. |
| 04:41.26 | stew | str8edge: dpkg -P --force-depends udev ; apt-get install udev ; that will get you fresh configuration in /etc/udev, and your cdrom should start working |
| 04:41.32 | str8edge | Nurbs: yes |
| 04:42.03 | str8edge | udev is not createing the |
| 04:42.16 | str8edge | oops udev is not creating the device nodes |
| 04:42.18 | Nurbs | str8edge: well, try a reinstall like stew proposed... never had those problems |
| 04:43.42 | str8edge | stew: done. what would the device name be for the primary drive on the first ide chain ie "hda"? |
| 04:44.07 | stew | str8edge: /dev/hda |
| 04:44.14 | str8edge | stew: still not there. |
| 04:44.17 | gozz | well i cant just apt-get them :( |
| 04:44.49 | str8edge | udev is not creating the device nodes. |
| 04:45.14 | Nurbs | str8edge: are you sure that the devices are found? |
| 04:45.21 | stew | str8edge: its not creating the cdrom either? |
| 04:45.43 | gozz | anyone can help me fix this? |
| 04:45.47 | Nurbs | str8edge: so, there's no /dev/hd* ? |
| 04:45.55 | gozz | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 04:45.55 | gozz | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 04:45.56 | gozz | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 04:45.56 | gozz | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
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| 04:46.06 | str8edge | Nurbs: no. |
| 04:46.10 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:46.33 | secher | gozz: take another path. |
| 04:46.37 | stew | str8edge: what media did you boot from? scsi? sata? |
| 04:46.41 | stew | str8edge: is your ide driver loaded? |
| 04:46.44 | secher | Snickerll sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 04:46.47 | bucky | Nurbs: * is a wild card... it means 'whatever' |
| 04:46.50 | str8edge | stew: sata |
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| 04:46.54 | Nurbs | bucky: yes. |
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| 04:47.13 | Nurbs | wb gozz |
| 04:47.15 | str8edge | stew: maybe not.. there's no "hd" stuff in /sys/block/ |
| 04:47.19 | Nurbs | gozz: echo $PATH |
| 04:47.24 | dasunt | If I had a USB camera that may or may not be supported by linux, where would I look for information about setting it up? |
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| 04:47.38 | str8edge | dasunt: google for gphoto |
| 04:47.46 | gozz | sorry |
| 04:47.53 | dasunt | It is a SIIG Mobilecam, btw. |
| 04:47.58 | bucky | gozz: su to superuser |
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| 04:48.19 | str8edge | installing modconf now :) |
| 04:48.20 | dasunt | str8edge: Webcam, not digital camera. |
| 04:48.39 | gozz | it told me to use fakeroot |
| 04:48.50 | str8edge | dasunt: sorry. |
| 04:48.59 | Nurbs | gozz: fakeroot won't make you root and allow you to install packages. |
| 04:49.01 | dasunt | str8edge: Shouldn't your handle be xstr8edgex? ;) |
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| 04:49.21 | Nurbs | gozz: that'd be quite a security hole :) |
| 04:49.28 | str8edge | my domain is xhardcorex.com, close enough? |
| 04:49.49 | dasunt | But do you have the vegan diet as well? |
| 04:49.49 | str8edge | my legs have "x" tattoos on them too. |
| 04:49.56 | str8edge | no |
| 04:50.00 | gozz | my bad it told me to use fakeroot to make the package :) |
| 04:50.07 | litage | if postfix is configured to only allow (1) SMTP + TLS on port 25, and (2) SMTPS on port 465, will many other mail servers be unable to send mail to my mail server? |
| 04:50.15 | syberdave | str8edge: you're into punk? |
| 04:50.26 | blaze | what up? |
| 04:50.33 | str8edge | stew: the ide modules are installed |
| 04:50.34 | Nurbs | litage: almost every other mail server won't be able to |
| 04:50.54 | Nurbs | litage: don't do that for a public MX |
| 04:50.56 | str8edge | syberdave: the first album I bought was "bad brains - I against I" |
| 04:50.57 | gozz | worked perfect as root thanks |
| 04:51.04 | blaze | Hey, If I get frequent BSOD's in Windows. Will I have problems with that box and debian? |
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| 04:51.15 | jbroome | less likely |
| 04:51.16 | dasunt | str8edge: How can you be hardcore then? ;) |
| 04:51.27 | str8edge | syberdave: the 2nd album I bought was youth of today "break down the walls" |
| 04:51.46 | str8edge | dasunt: i have the straight edge, i'm not hardline! |
| 04:51.57 | str8edge | that was in '86 |
| 04:51.58 | gravity | The 3rd album I bought was Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits |
| 04:52.04 | gravity | :-) |
| 04:52.09 | jbroome | 'cause you gotta mellow out sometimes |
| 04:52.15 | str8edge | don't knock barry.. he writes the songs. |
| 04:52.16 | dasunt | :) |
| 04:52.17 | secher | WOOT.. Barry Manilow Fans Unite!!! |
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| 04:52.27 | xbmodder-treo | anyone here got bluetooth |
| 04:52.28 | secher | That make the whole world sing!! |
| 04:52.34 | syberdave | str8edge: i don't really know them. i'm not into punk. and being straightedge is hard.. got caffeine? |
| 04:52.49 | jbroome | and meat? |
| 04:52.56 | str8edge | syberdave: not usually. i avoid the stuff, i eat meat. |
| 04:53.23 | syberdave | blaze: it depends. i used to get BSoD's all the time in doze. and my apps would randomly crash in linux. i found out it was bad RAM. |
| 04:53.36 | str8edge | xbmodder-treo. i have bluetooth. |
| 04:53.50 | tsv | anyone with 2.6.14-2-686 ? i can build vmware modules with this kernel and gcc4 |
| 04:54.07 | str8edge | anyone have any ideas why sysfs isn't reporting /dev/hd___ ?? |
| 04:54.14 | xbmodder-treo | with treo? |
| 04:54.20 | xbmodder-treo | or phone? |
| 04:54.41 | str8edge | xbmodder-treo - keyboard, mouse, palm t3. |
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| 04:55.03 | xbmodder-treo | ah |
| 04:55.03 | xbmodder-treo | shit |
| 04:55.04 | Nurbs | from the wikipedia article on straight edge: "This plays directly in part with their refraint from alcohol, excessive use of which leads to one-night stands. " |
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| 04:55.26 | beoba | err |
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| 04:55.33 | numist | Nurbs: and children, dont forget children |
| 04:55.40 | Nurbs | numist: heh |
| 04:55.47 | beoba | children are stds |
| 04:55.53 | numist | yep |
| 04:55.56 | Nurbs | numist: even more alcohol, less children |
| 04:55.57 | str8edge | straight-edge kids don't get laid.. but seeing I'm 32, and have a daughter.. |
| 04:56.17 | blaze | syberdave thats what I am affraid of. I have tried every software related aspect I can think of by updating all the drivers, and disabling everything in the bios, But I still get the bsods, So I belive it must be a hardware problem. |
| 04:56.19 | numist | I'm pretty damn straight-edge, and taken 3 years now... |
| 04:56.35 | str8edge | numist since '92 |
| 04:56.37 | blaze | This is a brand new computer so, I am hoping it is not anything too serious |
| 04:56.40 | numist | woot |
| 04:56.48 | blaze | How did you determine that it was your ram? |
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| 04:56.49 | Nurbs | str8edge: I'd just assume that there's no suitable driver for your IDE controller or if it is that it isn't working/recognizing the controller... |
| 04:56.54 | numist | so, can someone give me a starting point for installing and using xorg composite? |
| 04:57.01 | str8edge | anyone remember where the ide-scsi driver is? |
| 04:57.10 | blaze | I am getting IRQL_LESS_OR_EQUAL_TO alot... |
| 04:57.20 | tsv | numist, composite are buggy and unstable |
| 04:57.22 | Nurbs | I should drink more if that leads to ONSs |
| 04:57.28 | str8edge | Nurbs: the ide driver was working previously.. |
| 04:57.48 | tsv | oh ... anybody with 2.6.14-2-686 ? |
| 04:57.49 | Nurbs | str8edge: so... if you mknod /dev/hda manually it does work? |
| 04:58.25 | str8edge | Nurbs: i don't think it will, as there is no entry for /dev/hda in sysfs |
| 04:58.35 | syberdave | blaze: i can't exactly remember. it was too long ago. but something prompted me to buy more ram and solved the problem |
| 04:58.41 | Nurbs | str8edge: but then it's not udev-related... what do you mean by previously then? |
| 04:58.54 | secher | !seen abrotman |
| 04:58.55 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 45m 39s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 04:59.08 | secher | abrotman you about? |
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| 04:59.32 | syberdave | blaze: try booting a LiveCD and see if it crashes? |
| 04:59.35 | numist | tsv: I'm well aware of that thanks, still want to try it |
| 05:00.23 | do_od | Hello I have a bit of weird question ... I tried sending printf '\r\n' result to another tty ... well it sort of worked but all it did was go to next line ... it didn't really act as an enter key being pressed |
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| 05:00.53 | tsv | numist, try :) but i catch only X freeze and machine unusable after transset & xorgcompr |
| 05:01.00 | do_od | it acted as if enter was not pressed by the cursor was at a newline |
| 05:01.09 | do_od | s/by/but* |
| 05:01.14 | str8edge | Nurbs: back in the 2.6.12 days probably? |
| 05:01.14 | syberdave | do_od: you can't really send key presses that way. it'll just display it |
| 05:01.32 | Nurbs | str8edge: ic. what do you use now? |
| 05:01.33 | do_od | syberdave, hmm I see ... so it's not possible AT ALL ? |
| 05:01.59 | syberdave | do_od: not to my knowledge. you can try using screen? |
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| 05:02.09 | do_od | what is that? |
| 05:02.09 | str8edge | Nurbs: 2.6.14-2 (Linux duckula 2.6.14-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Nov 14 14:56:10 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux) |
| 05:02.23 | tsv | o |
| 05:02.46 | syberdave | open two terminals. in one, run screen, and in another, run screen -x |
| 05:02.49 | tsv | str8edge, any problem with vmware modules ? |
| 05:03.06 | syberdave | and then you could read up on the cool things screen can do :) |
| 05:03.06 | do_od | screen ... I've never heard of that program/command |
| 05:03.09 | str8edge | tsv: i'm not using vmware right now, but nothing sees my cdroms! |
| 05:03.19 | tsv | heh |
| 05:03.25 | do_od | hmmm sounds like a new kind of fun |
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| 05:03.36 | syberdave | how's it fun? |
| 05:03.37 | Nurbs | str8edge: what driver does your IDE controller use? |
| 05:03.42 | skrewler1 | When compiling nvidia-kernel-source i get this error: "Unable to determine the target kernel.version" i'm using kernel 2.6 |
| 05:03.53 | do_od | syberdave... new things on bash always is fun |
| 05:03.56 | str8edge | Nurbs: 865 chipset, piix4 |
| 05:04.03 | do_od | like I found out about libwww-perl today |
| 05:04.06 | do_od | woohow baby |
| 05:04.13 | tsv | skrewler1, install kernel headers |
| 05:04.14 | chealer | skrewler1: please paste the command and its output somewhere |
| 05:04.15 | syberdave | do_od: i see. screen is a little complex.. but it's useful |
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| 05:05.22 | do_od | so screen does it as if there's input from the keyboard buffer? |
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| 05:05.39 | Nurbs | str8edge: mhm. what does "lsmod | grep -E '^(piix|ide_gen)'" output? |
| 05:05.57 | str8edge | piix 11012 0 [permanent] |
| 05:05.59 | str8edge | :) |
| 05:06.04 | syberdave | do_od: i'm not good at explaining things. it'd be better to read a manual or experiment |
| 05:06.06 | str8edge | i could have told you that! |
| 05:06.08 | str8edge | :) |
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| 05:06.37 | do_od | heh okay |
| 05:07.15 | numist | tsv: if your machine is unusable without a currently working xorg, you have other things coming |
| 05:08.46 | Nurbs | str8edge: so, no ide-generic... I've had problems because recent kernels loaded that before piix here. mhm |
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| 05:09.46 | pre-newbie | bear with me here I am as my name says a newbie...when I am loggin into the gui how do i look at a folder in konquerer that has root privelages |
| 05:09.53 | tsv | numist, no, i have a old gf2 64mb and transset+other transparency are buggy :) |
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| 05:10.03 | str8edge | Nurbs: you nailed it! |
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| 05:10.29 | litage | is there much point in using a non-PLAIN authentication method if you're using SMTP + TLS or SSL? |
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| 05:10.46 | Vme | anyone here used "handbrake"? |
| 05:10.58 | Nurbs | str8edge: I nailed who^Hat? |
| 05:11.27 | str8edge | Nurbs: after installing ide-generic, i now have /dev/hda & /dev/hdc! |
| 05:12.12 | Nurbs | litage: there is the advantage that you don't send the server a password which could be advantageous if it has been hacked and you use the password elsewhere, too. |
| 05:12.20 | Nurbs | heh |
| 05:12.26 | Nurbs | str8edge: check if DMA works |
| 05:12.36 | str8edge | it will when i reboot! |
| 05:12.50 | Nurbs | famous last words :o) |
| 05:12.50 | Vme | ok, after you add entries to sources.list, what do you do to update ? |
| 05:12.50 | loke- | sup |
| 05:12.56 | loke- | !beer everybody |
| 05:13.11 | str8edge | Nurbs: i'm installing hdparm right now |
| 05:13.28 | Nurbs | Vme: read some debian manuals at debian.org to learn your OS. apt-get update for updating the sources |
| 05:13.39 | str8edge | nurbs: /dev/hda: |
| 05:13.39 | str8edge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.39 | str8edge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.39 | str8edge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.39 | str8edge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:13.56 | Nurbs | nice. |
| 05:14.02 | Nurbs | fine |
| 05:14.05 | str8edge | oops! |
| 05:14.09 | str8edge | heh! |
| 05:14.51 | str8edge | now to install NWN diamond. |
| 05:15.01 | blaze | whats that? |
| 05:15.21 | str8edge | NeverWinterNights Diamond. |
| 05:15.27 | Nurbs | sounds like something to waste your time with ;) |
| 05:15.35 | str8edge | yup. |
| 05:15.39 | blaze | ahh, how does that run? I haven't ever played Diamond. |
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| 05:15.44 | syberdave | moon-buggy is fun sometimes |
| 05:16.05 | blaze | too bad there isint wow for debian ;x |
| 05:16.06 | litage | Nurbs: thaks |
| 05:16.06 | blaze | lol |
| 05:16.10 | excitatory- | does one need to run 'make-kpkg kernel-headers' everytime a new kernel is compiled? |
| 05:16.15 | str8edge | diamond = nwn + hotu+ sou+ kingmaker, witches wake, and another module on 1 DVD |
| 05:16.22 | Nurbs | litage: that's about the only advantage afaik. |
| 05:16.42 | blaze | yeah |
| 05:16.47 | blaze | is it not open source? |
| 05:17.04 | str8edge | is what opensource? NWN? |
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| 05:17.32 | blaze | yeah |
| 05:17.36 | str8edge | nope. |
| 05:17.40 | blaze | I remember playing for free some how ;x |
| 05:17.41 | blaze | lol |
| 05:17.48 | Nurbs | litage: OTOH you have to store the plaintext password with the other methods on the server anyway if it doesn't use another server for authentification, so... :) |
| 05:17.50 | str8edge | $29.99 at the store. |
| 05:17.55 | blaze | that could have been it |
| 05:18.04 | str8edge | that's canadian dollars. |
| 05:18.16 | blaze | ahh |
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| 05:18.42 | str8edge | anyway time to go and find a book and do some reading! |
| 05:18.47 | str8edge | Nurbs: Thanks again! |
| 05:18.54 | Nurbs | :) |
| 05:19.17 | str8edge | have a good night/morning/day! |
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| 05:20.54 | skrewler1 | ok, canyone help me with this nvidia problem.. here's some info on paste http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TqDFOO65.html |
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| 05:23.25 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 05:23.57 | skrewler1 | LSorensen: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build: No such file or directory |
| 05:24.27 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source |
| 05:24.45 | skrewler1 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 100 2005-11-21 09:45 /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source -> /home/horms/tmp/debian-kernel-test/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-386 |
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| 05:25.24 | Vme | if i'm running debian in a VMWARE machine, can I write DVD's and read DVDs normally? |
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| 05:25.47 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: is that a debian kernel? if so, its a broken kernel-image, that symlink is fucked |
| 05:26.00 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: yeah it is |
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| 05:26.22 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: i just did an upgrade to sketch, this is a brand-new install otherwise |
| 05:26.27 | pre-newbie | is there any way to have total root privelages in the GUI? |
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| 05:26.54 | dli | skrewler1, make the /usr/src/linux link to the kernel-headers, and compile in the nvidia-source folder |
| 05:26.57 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: maybe you mean etch |
| 05:27.00 | caphuso | pre-newbie: no, since no sane person would even think about such nonsense |
| 05:27.04 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: ah yes, i do. |
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| 05:27.14 | pre-newbie | lol |
| 05:27.25 | dli | skrewler1, or, simply use the binary driver from nvidia.com |
| 05:27.35 | valdyn_ | dli: hell no |
| 05:27.47 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: what do you suggest i do |
| 05:28.06 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: trying manually fixing both symlinks and make them link to /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:28.12 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: try manually fixing both symlinks and make them link to /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 05:28.53 | dusk | gravity, you around? |
| 05:28.54 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: or.. install a new debian kernel, that one must be old and is broken anyway |
| 05:29.24 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: i suspect its a prerelease sarge kernel..( which was broken ) |
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| 05:29.41 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: Oh, really? Ok |
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| 05:30.26 | gravity | dusk: Sorta, but not for long. What's up? |
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| 05:30.55 | stazich | hi, can anyone tell me how i can browse the memory of my USB camera once i plug it in?? |
| 05:30.59 | stazich | i do not know what to do |
| 05:31.01 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: no 2.6.8-2 kernel is in etch, which might be why you didnt get a fixed one by upgrading to etch |
| 05:31.22 | gravity | stazich: You need to mount it. If you install gnome-volume-manager, it'll mount automatically |
| 05:31.36 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: will just apt-get install fix this |
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| 05:31.46 | dusk | gravity: i just set up fglrx (ati radeon 9500 r300), set driver = 'fglrx' instead of 'ati' in xorg.conf, I restarted x, can only get 1024 rez (i also shut DDC off and still.. 1024) |
| 05:32.01 | gravity | dusk: Dude, I know like zilch about that driver |
| 05:32.07 | dusk | gravity: fack |
| 05:32.09 | gravity | dusk: It really doesn't help that I can't look at the code |
| 05:32.26 | dusk | gravity: yea i agree.. im just trying to get dri working |
| 05:32.27 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: mind, kernel are named linux-image-foo now |
| 05:32.28 | gravity | dusk: Google and #ati are your only real options |
| 05:32.35 | valdyn_ | skrewler1: mind, kernel packages are named linux-image-foo now |
| 05:32.57 | pre-newbie | In xterm I have mounted my windows and copied a mp3 file onto my home dir, what is the best way to let me access that file--it is root protected |
| 05:33.04 | skrewler1 | Ahh, no wonder I was only seeing old stuff. |
| 05:33.11 | dusk | gravity: yea, well thx anyways |
| 05:33.14 | gravity | dusk: Sorry |
| 05:33.23 | dob2 | adding the test security repository now every apt-get update i have the problem of the pubkey error |
| 05:33.26 | gravity | dusk: People keep asking about the closed drivers, but I just don't know anything about them |
| 05:33.39 | dob2 | how can i resolve this? |
| 05:33.40 | dondelelcaro | dob2: /msg dpkg apt-key fookey |
| 05:33.51 | dli | pre-newbie, mount with option uid= your uid |
| 05:33.58 | dusk | gravity: yea sucks |
| 05:34.03 | joshs | if I download a .bin file... what do I need to do to get it installed? |
| 05:34.35 | dob2 | dondelelcaro: ok but what i have to use instead of fookey ? |
| 05:34.52 | skrewler1 | valdyn_: thanks a lot for your help, trying this now. |
| 05:35.02 | pre-newbie | dli: mount -t uid=userid or mount uid=userid -t ..... |
| 05:35.58 | dli | pre-newbie, mount -ouid=1000 /dev/hda1 /mnt , you can get your uid by "id pre-newbie" |
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| 05:36.35 | pre-newbie | ty |
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| 05:37.51 | pre-newbie | what is the =1000 for? |
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| 05:38.18 | dob2 | sorry but i don't understand, where can i find this public key for the testing security repository? |
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| 05:39.12 | relbs | I'm trying to follow these instructions to make a usb key debian installer: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en but after I zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda, I'm not able to mount the usb key to put the ISO on the usb key. mount demands a fs type, and I don't know what to specify |
| 05:39.15 | dli | pre-newbie, replace it with your uid, you can find it in /etc/passwd or by running the command "id" |
| 05:39.35 | relbs | any suggestions? I tried vfat, but that didn't work.. |
| 05:39.54 | dob2 | or can i disable the public key control? |
| 05:40.10 | dli | relaxed, I think it's in fat16 :( |
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| 05:43.36 | stazich | indigirl1, i am from indi too ;-) |
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| 05:45.46 | pre-newbie | mount -t uid=myuserid ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/win |
| 05:45.50 | pre-newbie | what is wrong with that |
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| 05:46.12 | tcsetattr | "-t uid=myuserid" looks very suspicious. |
| 05:46.50 | pre-newbie | i need to tell it the type of file so i need -t dont i |
| 05:47.23 | tcsetattr | ok, but "uid=myuserid"? that doesn't look like something that should be after a -t. |
| 05:47.41 | dli | pre-newbie, -o uid= |
| 05:48.05 | dli | pre-newbie, or put uid= in your fstab, the options |
| 05:48.06 | tcsetattr | the -t is attached to the word that immediately follows it, which must be a filesystem type |
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| 05:50.37 | dob2 | i have downloaded the asc file for the security testing repository then cat thisfile | gpg --import but after dist-upgrade i have always the same error/warning "W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E" |
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| 05:50.55 | dob2 | s/dist-upgrade/update |
| 05:51.04 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key 8722E71E |
| 05:51.05 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 8722E71E ; gpg --export 8722E71E | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:51.06 | dondelelcaro | dob2: ^^^ |
| 05:51.38 | dob2 | dondelelcaro: how do you find that number ? 8722E71E |
| 05:51.54 | pre-newbie | mount -t ntfs -o uid=exodus /dev/hda1 /media/win this worked :) |
| 05:52.10 | dondelelcaro | dob2: it's the keyid. |
| 05:52.46 | tcsetattr | looks like he chopped the big number you said, and chopped it in half. |
| 05:53.18 | pre-newbie | no sound lmao |
| 05:53.20 | dondelelcaro | the keyid is the last 8 hex digits of the fingerprint |
| 05:53.40 | pre-newbie | i can't belive so many people can be patient enough to learn this os |
| 05:53.46 | dondelelcaro | (although, you can use the entire fingerprint to specify the key if you want) |
| 05:53.58 | dob2 | ah ok |
| 05:54.00 | dob2 | thanks |
| 05:54.24 | dondelelcaro | pre-newbie: the issue isn't necessarily patience; it's laziness. There are things that can be done in a single line of shell that would take all day to do in a different OS. |
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| 05:55.40 | pre-newbie | i have spent 4 hours today on linux and learned 3 things |
| 05:56.02 | pre-newbie | mounted my cdrom, windooze, and learned what fstab is |
| 05:56.11 | gravity | That's a fine start |
| 05:56.15 | pre-newbie | whew lol |
| 05:56.26 | gravity | It's a lifelong journey if you want it to be :-) |
| 05:56.32 | dondelelcaro | that's fine; some of us have spent years... learning a few things a day adds up after time. |
| 05:56.37 | gravity | True enough |
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| 05:56.57 | pre-newbie | without the help of irc people such as yourselfs i would have erased linux |
| 05:56.58 | gravity | I learned maybe three things today. That's plenty for me! |
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| 05:57.20 | Azar | hahahahahaha |
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| 05:59.02 | LiquiDark | I have a question that's tangentially related to linux. My (winxp) laptop hard drive just died, but before it did I rsync'd most of the data onto a linux server using knoppix. IBM sent me a new HD, and I restored the original system configuration but it has an NTFS partition. What's the best way to restore data from the linux server to the winxp laptop? |
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| 06:00.19 | nevyn | LiquiDark: copy? |
| 06:00.30 | nevyn | LiquiDark: rsync? |
| 06:00.42 | nevyn | ftp |
| 06:00.44 | nnn0 | http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync+windows&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 06:00.44 | gozz | how can i bring up hd info so i can mount a fat drive? |
| 06:00.51 | nevyn | (that'll be faster than smb) |
| 06:01.17 | LiquiDark | rsync on knoppix won't work for ntfs, rsync under cygwin is flaky, and while windows is running some of the files don't copy right |
| 06:01.54 | LiquiDark | I want to copy things like the registry, not just data files |
| 06:02.03 | Azar | gozz: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
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| 06:04.49 | nnn0 | have you tried captive ntfs ? |
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| 06:05.47 | gozz | i know how to mount it i just dont remember how to view the drives to see what to mount hda1,hda2,hda3... |
| 06:05.52 | nnn0 | LiquiDark - http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
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| 06:06.17 | LiquiDark | the last time I tried it, it was ridiculously slow, but at the moment I'm trying to download a livecd that has it |
| 06:06.28 | LiquiDark | apparently newer versions of knoppix have dropped it |
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| 06:12.45 | linux-noob | where does the java self extracting *.bin file extract to? |
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| 06:13.38 | dusk | has anyone had any success with xorg/fglrx/ati in etch? |
| 06:14.50 | srart | xorg, yes, fglrx, maybe, don't remeber, ati, using it. |
| 06:15.14 | srart | whats the best way to migrate to a new hard drive? |
| 06:15.35 | srart | ran out of room and / (hda1) is full. |
| 06:16.06 | nnn0 | do you have /home at hda1 ? |
| 06:16.30 | srart | nope |
| 06:16.44 | dusk | well, the #debian wiki says i *might* be able to get 3d out of sid xserver-xorg, think I should try? |
| 06:16.47 | nnn0 | you could try just moving /home to a new disk |
| 06:17.06 | nnn0 | it's usually there the data piles up anyway |
| 06:17.09 | chealer | linux-noob: why do you ask? |
| 06:17.15 | srart | home is safe, /bin and /libs are the real worry. |
| 06:17.18 | akusarujin | anyone know if sshd accepts multiple listen addresses? |
| 06:17.21 | nnn0 | k |
| 06:17.44 | linux-noob | I can't find it lol and I'm suppose to copy some file or something to the firefos plugins folder |
| 06:17.47 | chealer | dusk: yes. that must be old |
| 06:17.54 | loke- | akusarujin i think so, check in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:18.01 | chealer | linux-noob: how come? |
| 06:18.06 | akusarujin | i did, but i'm not 100% sure if it'll allow me to |
| 06:18.31 | linux-noob | cuz thats what the instructions say? |
| 06:18.47 | chealer | linux-noob: which ones? |
| 06:19.00 | loke- | hey |
| 06:19.10 | loke- | akusarujin you can |
| 06:19.20 | akusarujin | loke-, excellent, thanks :) |
| 06:19.22 | nnn0 | srart - do you have enought room on another disk to take an image og hda1 ? |
| 06:19.27 | nnn0 | of even |
| 06:19.33 | linux-noob | oh no, I need to make a sym link |
| 06:19.52 | loke- | akusarujin, it looks like you just add multiple statements, ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 |
| 06:19.57 | skrewler | ever since i installed xorg, when my machien bootsup it goes to an XDM screen instead of just a console login. I tried editing /etc/inittab but that didn't do anything |
| 06:20.33 | chealer | skrewler: is uninstalling xdm an option? |
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| 06:20.49 | skrewler | chealer: sure, but there should be another way? |
| 06:21.10 | srart | nnn0: tried it, hda1 works, rest misses, I'm guessing wrong inodes |
| 06:21.11 | akusarujin | loke-, that's what i figured, but wanted to make sure -- thanks for clearing it up :) |
| 06:21.12 | chealer | skrewler: did you try removing the rc2.d symlink? |
| 06:21.16 | A3K | hi guys |
| 06:21.28 | loke- | akusarujin actually |
| 06:21.46 | bucky | skrewler: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 06:21.59 | loke- | akusarujin "The default is to listen on all local addresses." per man sshd_config |
| 06:22.05 | loke- | akusarujin try: man sshd_config |
| 06:22.07 | cri_ | "show tabs, spaces, end of lines |
| 06:22.07 | cri_ | "set list |
| 06:22.08 | cri_ | "set listchars=tab:>-,trail:. |
| 06:22.08 | cri_ | "set shell=bash |
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| 06:22.16 | skrewler | neat |
| 06:22.22 | A3K | how goes it? I thank you for your help. |
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| 06:22.41 | A3K | I am still having to start my wireless from the script, but it is not so bad |
| 06:23.01 | A3K | automatic would be nice but I really have not worked on it. |
| 06:23.04 | akusarujin | will do loke-, thanks again :) |
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| 06:24.07 | loke- | akusarujin np |
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| 06:25.15 | HyperZid | anyone know any linux driver which supports "PDC20276 (MBFastTrak133 Lite)" sata raid card? |
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| 06:26.02 | loke- | HyperZid linux kernel has sata modules |
| 06:26.22 | loke- | HyperZid you just need to recompile the kernel with the correct modules enabled |
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| 06:27.22 | dusk | how can I get the source code for my kernel? apt-cache search 2.6.14-1-k7 isnt there |
| 06:27.24 | loke- | HyperZid --> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian%2Bkernel%2Bcompile%2Bsata%2Bmodules&btnG=Google+Search |
| 06:27.33 | loke- | dusk kernel.org |
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| 06:27.42 | dusk | loke- i want the debian one |
| 06:27.44 | bucky | dusk: which version of debian are you using? |
| 06:27.50 | dusk | bucky: etch |
| 06:28.01 | dusk | bucky: just installed the sid version of xorg tho |
| 06:28.03 | loke- | dusk kernel.org is a debian one |
| 06:28.08 | HyperZid | loke-, i've read about it lots of places.. and havent found any driver for that yet.. and tried most drivers too |
| 06:28.21 | loke- | HyperZid have you recompiled your kernel? |
| 06:28.29 | jm_ | loke-: never heard of apt-get source? |
| 06:28.32 | bucky | dusk: there is no 2.6.14-1-k7 in etch |
| 06:28.39 | jm_ | sorry that was for dusk |
| 06:29.17 | HyperZid | loke-, i've tried.. but something aint working as it should. after I try to recompile.. asked here in about 2 hours to get it done. but didnt finnished.. yesturday.. |
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| 06:29.38 | A3K | well, if I followed the howto directory correctly, my wireless should now come up at boot. |
| 06:29.41 | HyperZid | loke-, I got told I needed to locate the exact driver to be sure I actually had to recompile my kernel |
| 06:29.49 | A3K | Now I have to learn how to install .deb files :) |
| 06:30.05 | loke- | A3K dpkg -i file.deb , man dpkg |
| 06:30.06 | dusk | bucky: i made a mistake, its .12-1-k7 |
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| 06:30.23 | loke- | HyperZid i got my sata working by recompiling my kernel |
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| 06:30.34 | loke- | HyperZid dunno how your gonna get yours working |
| 06:30.35 | NeverAgain | hail to all power users ! |
| 06:30.36 | HyperZid | loke-, I use 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 06:31.12 | loke- | HyperZid do, dmesg | more and look and see if you see your sata drive |
| 06:31.18 | A3K | cool |
| 06:31.23 | A3K | thanks loke |
| 06:31.30 | loke- | HyperZid: dmesg | more |
| 06:31.32 | loke- | A3K np |
| 06:31.40 | A3K | I figured out alien to change rpm to deb |
| 06:31.48 | loke- | A3K c00 |
| 06:31.56 | loke- | !beer a3k |
| 06:31.57 | A3K | baby steps |
| 06:31.59 | loke- | congrats |
| 06:32.23 | A3K | make mind non-alcoholic :) I will lose my ordination if I get caught drinking |
| 06:32.37 | NeverAgain | ordination ? |
| 06:32.39 | NeverAgain | priest ? |
| 06:32.41 | loke- | ordination? r u drunk dude? |
| 06:32.43 | loke- | hahahaha |
| 06:33.04 | A3K | no priest, but close. Methodist |
| 06:33.08 | NeverAgain | ah |
| 06:33.14 | A3K | I got some errors |
| 06:33.15 | NeverAgain | key word 'caught't hough |
| 06:33.16 | loke- | ordination is the drunk guys version of cordination... ?!?!? right? |
| 06:33.24 | A3K | eheh |
| 06:33.25 | dusk | i apt-get source my kernel, but its not in /usr/src |
| 06:33.35 | jm_ | yes it is |
| 06:33.37 | NeverAgain | how do I use dapper ? |
| 06:33.46 | dusk | jm_ no its not |
| 06:33.51 | loke- | wtf is dapper? |
| 06:33.53 | dusk | just the headers are |
| 06:33.54 | jm_ | dusk: yes it is |
| 06:34.06 | dusk | diablo:/usr/src# ls |
| 06:34.06 | dusk | linux linux-headers-2.6.12-1 linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 modules rpm |
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| 06:34.23 | jm_ | then you didn't install it at all |
| 06:34.35 | dusk | diablo:/usr/src/linux# apt-get source linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 06:34.36 | dusk | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:34.36 | dusk | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 06:34.36 | dusk | Need to get 46.4MB of source archives. |
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| 06:34.50 | jm_ | dusk: ohh wait, apt-get source downloads to the current dir - only kernel source package goes there! |
| 06:35.04 | jm_ | so you have it in linux now, move it one dir up |
| 06:35.23 | HyperZid | loke-, let me c.. I should have: Promise SATAII150 TX4 .. but I cant see it in dmesg.. |
| 06:36.13 | jm_ | dusk: but anyway, I doubt you'll be able to enable some options that are not enabled in Debian's kernel already |
| 06:36.19 | loke- | HyperZid is it plugged in? |
| 06:36.26 | A3K | how do you know where a file is installed with dpkg |
| 06:36.27 | dusk | jm_ yea.. im jsut trying to get DRI working |
| 06:36.27 | A3K | ? |
| 06:36.30 | HyperZid | loke-, yes |
| 06:36.37 | jm_ | dusk: that's enabled in Debian's kernels |
| 06:36.43 | A3K | I just installed (or think I did) limewire |
| 06:36.44 | loke- | a3k which file? |
| 06:36.48 | dusk | jm_ i followed stanchinas guide fairly loose last time.. now im doing it exact |
| 06:36.57 | dusk | jm_ i could get DRI working.. but never above 1024 |
| 06:36.57 | HyperZid | loke-, I think this is it: Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc.: Unknown device 3d18 (rev 02) |
| 06:37.15 | loke- | HyperZid does it give it a /dev name? |
| 06:37.18 | HyperZid | loke-, but I dont know what this is: RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20276 (MBFastTrak133 Lite) (rev 01) |
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| 06:37.25 | jm_ | dusk: maybe it's a limitation of the driver? or the card? |
| 06:37.40 | loke- | HyperZid like /dev/sda somethin? |
| 06:37.41 | dusk | jm_: about 4 months ago I had it working perfect |
| 06:37.42 | HyperZid | loke-, fdisk -l dosnt show up any |
| 06:37.45 | jm_ | HyperZid: man update-pciids |
| 06:38.02 | dusk | jm_: same setup on this computer, my drive that had linux died to i had to reinstall |
| 06:38.23 | loke- | HyperZid i still think you need to recompile your kernel and enable sata support |
| 06:38.27 | A3K | I would hate to have to run find files every time |
| 06:38.35 | HyperZid | jm_, thanks.. :) |
| 06:38.36 | jm_ | dusk: ok, so maybe follow his guide step by step and see how it goes |
| 06:38.38 | A3K | of course that would be the wrong answer |
| 06:38.46 | loke- | a3k which file? |
| 06:38.50 | A3K | limewire |
| 06:39.05 | loke- | a3k, try: dpkg -l |
| 06:39.06 | HyperZid | loke-, yes.. I got a kernel ready for recompile. but I need to know which module to load.. which isnt in the default one.. |
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| 06:39.21 | loke- | HyperZid forgot man |
| 06:39.34 | loke- | HyperZid just look through it, you will see sata |
| 06:39.56 | loke- | A3K try: dpkg -l | grep limewire |
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| 06:40.16 | HyperZid | here we go: 0000:02:05.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20518/PDC40518 (SATAII 150 TX4) (rev 02) |
| 06:40.17 | jm_ | HyperZid: uhm how about sata_promise - I know it's not exactly obvious |
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| 06:40.40 | HyperZid | thats the interface I need support for |
| 06:40.46 | A3K | loke it shows up but no path |
| 06:40.48 | loke- | HyperZid does it give it a dev name? ie /dev/sda? |
| 06:40.59 | HyperZid | jm_, i've tried to modprobe sata_promise.. dosnt work |
| 06:41.07 | jm_ | HyperZid: give me its PCI ID |
| 06:41.14 | HyperZid | loke-, it dosnt.. i've tried both fdisk -l and fdisk /dev/sda |
| 06:41.33 | loke- | HyperZid pci id |
| 06:41.51 | peterS | jm_: grep pci.ids for what he said, it's 0x3d18, which is in sata_promise.c |
| 06:41.56 | HyperZid | where do I check pci id? |
| 06:42.12 | jm_ | that's supported by 2.6.14 at least |
| 06:42.16 | jm_ | lspci -n shows ID-s |
| 06:42.50 | HyperZid | jm_, 0000:02:05.0 0180: 105a:3d18 (rev 02) |
| 06:42.56 | peterS | HyperZid: lspci -n | awk '/105a/{print $3}' should print 105a:3d18 or so |
| 06:43.00 | peterS | HyperZid: yeah, or that (: |
| 06:43.09 | jm_ | HyperZid: right, see above |
| 06:43.25 | jm_ | it's a shame lspci doesn't have a mode that would list both ID and name at the same time |
| 06:43.41 | HyperZid | yeah. I tried with -v |
| 06:43.50 | loke- | i love #debian, the knowledge man |
| 06:44.26 | quest_ | hi, is the http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5-rc1 ./ working? seems it can't be resolved |
| 06:44.39 | peterS | HyperZid: it's supported by 2.6.11 but not 2.6.8. not sure which kernel first supported your chip |
| 06:45.11 | HyperZid | peterS, ok.. then its just to get my 2.6.14 kernel working.. |
| 06:45.26 | jm_ | HyperZid: or .12 from Etch/sid |
| 06:45.36 | loke- | quest_ host pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org |
| 06:45.38 | peterS | right, anyway, sata_promise is the correct module |
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| 06:46.10 | HyperZid | i'm using sarge now.. how can I install .12 from etch/sid then? |
| 06:46.22 | jm_ | check backports.org |
| 06:46.22 | loke- | quest_ ping pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org has address 192.25.206.28 replys fine |
| 06:46.36 | peterS | HyperZid: I'm not sure what limits you hit. eventually you need a newer initrd-tools / yaird but I'm not sure if that hits you in .12 or not |
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| 06:47.24 | peterS | HyperZid: there does exist a yaird package for sarge ... let me get the url |
| 06:47.46 | quest_ | loke-, |
| 06:47.47 | HyperZid | :-) |
| 06:47.49 | peterS | HyperZid: http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ - install the yaird package from there |
| 06:48.06 | peterS | HyperZid: also, if you use udev, I'm not sure whether the sarge udev supports kernel 2.6.12. I don't use udev, myself |
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| 06:48.25 | peterS | HyperZid: other than those two things, newer kernels should in general work fine in sarge |
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| 06:49.14 | quest_ | loke-, yes, right. i wsa trying to upt-get update. what does it Ign http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org ./ Release mean? |
| 06:49.29 | loke- | dunno |
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| 06:50.10 | HyperZid | peterS: ok.. yaird is fixed |
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| 06:50.23 | A3K | das a lot of people |
| 06:50.48 | lunitik | quest_: means it doesn't have a Release file usually.... don't worry about it... |
| 06:51.12 | lunitik | quest_: so long as the Packages.gz file is in the right place, its not a big deal... |
| 06:51.26 | atrus | mostly ot: i'm in a windows lab. they'll let me run whatever software i want, but on some machines, everything is blocked except an http proxy. a program like corkscrew will apparantly let me tunnel my ssh connection through an http proxy, but i'd need to have cygwin with me. suggestions? |
| 06:51.28 | HyperZid | My problem when compiling my own kernel tho.. was that it couldnt mount root fs.. |
| 06:52.02 | HyperZid | I'm pretty sure I both included reiserfs and the motherboard driver into the kernel |
| 06:52.12 | stu | any idea why my md devices never come up on boot? i have AUTOSTART=true in /etc/default/mdadm and they come up fine manually with /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
| 06:52.26 | lunitik | HyperZid: you compiled ext3 (or whatever your root fs is formated as) into the kernel? |
| 06:52.28 | HyperZid | I even tried with initrd.. but still... my kernel didnt work |
| 06:52.51 | HyperZid | lunitik, yeap.. as I just said.. reiserfs;p |
| 06:53.00 | peterS | HyperZid: you said you included reiserfs. are you sure you got the right one? there exist both reiserfs and reiser4 and they're not compatible |
| 06:53.07 | atrus | ie, anything i could install on my debian box here that would let me ssh in from a windows machine that only has http-proxy access would do the trick |
| 06:53.15 | HyperZid | peterS, let me c. |
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| 06:53.50 | lunitik | atrus: first question... why are you asking this in #debian? |
| 06:53.58 | HyperZid | peterS <*> Reiserfs support |
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| 06:54.24 | HyperZid | peterS: CONFIG_REISERFS_FS |
| 06:54.34 | lunitik | atrus: in general, we neither care about, nor are familier with Windows software... |
| 06:54.45 | atrus | lunitik: first, i said it was mostly OT :) but i'm wanting to ssh into my debian box |
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| 06:55.27 | A3K | interesting observation...I think... I get much, much more signal strength with my wireless card under debian than I did with windows. |
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| 06:55.54 | HyperZid | the other problem is to get the ide interface into the kernel "IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller" |
| 06:56.03 | peterS | HyperZid: that's the "PIIX" driver |
| 06:56.06 | lunitik | atrus: if your ssh server is functional, and allowing connections from your lab, your question is not related to Debian at all... |
| 06:56.20 | peterS | HyperZid: i.e., the most standard IDE driver in the world (: |
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| 06:56.50 | HyperZid | peterS: yes.. I included: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX, Intel PIIXn chipsets support |
| 06:56.51 | peterS | lunitik: he's asking about software that enables tunneling other protocols through an http proxy. one end of the tunnel would be running debian. so it's still on-topic. |
| 06:57.06 | atrus | lunitik: except in the sense that i imagine some additional software would be required on the ssh server's end to interpret the proxied http connection as ssh |
| 06:57.40 | HyperZid | peterS: even if I got both theese two drives compiled into my kernel.. it still wont load root fs |
| 06:57.41 | peterS | HyperZid: that driver is very nearly foolproof, on account of being so popular. so I'm surprised it doesn't work in your case |
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| 06:58.24 | HyperZid | peterS, I did: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-1 kernel_image |
| 06:58.25 | atrus | and i know question #2 will be "why do i think i should be able to get around my lab's security policies". it's a bizzare college lab. i can literally walk across the aisle to an identical computer and have no blocked ssh, it's simply a matter of which machines are available. |
| 06:59.04 | HyperZid | peterS: but I shouldnt need initrd.. I guess.. since I got everything I need already into the kernel |
| 06:59.07 | peterS | atrus: I suppose you're not looking for the answer "talk to the netadmin to get the inconsistency fixed, one way or the other" |
| 06:59.49 | peterS | HyperZid: you have to know which interface your root filesystem disk is connected to, for a start. i.e., you shouldn't normally need *both* piix and sata_promise in the kernel just to mount root |
| 06:59.50 | Guerin | a\otherwise known as "put a rocket up their arses" |
| 06:59.51 | atrus | peterS: suffice to say our class is having trouble getting the lab admin to install a new light bulb, let alone re-work their networking configuration :) |
| 06:59.54 | Guerin | in the nicest possible way |
| 07:00.30 | HyperZid | peterS: the root filesystem is located at the normal ide device.. |
| 07:01.06 | peterS | HyperZid: right, so piix. you have to read your boot messages, then, to determine why it can't be mounted. maybe piix throws an error of some sort? |
| 07:01.55 | HyperZid | peterS: all I saw was: Kernal panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 07:02.15 | peterS | HyperZid: unknown-block(0,0) is wrong. it means the kernel doesn't know what its root filesystem device *should* be |
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| 07:02.35 | peterS | HyperZid: for /dev/hda1 it should have said (3,1) instead of (0,0). well, it should have just *worked*, but that's what it should have tried. |
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| 07:02.40 | HyperZid | I also got this msg ahead of the other one: Warning - The BIOS does not find proper hardware configuration, Please check your system again! |
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| 07:03.38 | HyperZid | peterS: this seems very strange.. I normally manage to compile my own kernel at first try.. i've used 5-10 tries here.. |
| 07:03.50 | wm | this sounds like such a friggin newbie question, but ever sine i've upgraded to xorg, i've been unable to get the mouse to work. mdetect shows what the old XFree86 showed -- /dev/psaux and ImPS/2. Were there any changes that could be causing this? |
| 07:04.06 | peterS | HyperZid: is the boot loader correctly telling your new kernel what your root device is? this (0,0) business has me suspicious |
| 07:04.47 | peterS | wm: can't think of any such changes, no |
| 07:05.11 | peterS | wm: what do you mean by 'not work', though? does xorg crap out, or does it start up normally but the mouse just doesn't work? |
| 07:05.30 | wm | yea it's damn annoying. if mdetect is able to identify a device on psaux, and it's protocol as logitech, it means it's actually able to probe the device i'd assume |
| 07:05.41 | wm | peterS: x starts up, but the mouse doesn't move |
| 07:05.54 | HyperZid | peterS, can you join #flood .. and i'll paste menu.lst |
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| 07:05.59 | peterS | wm: did you upgrade anything else at the same time as xorg? for example, did you switch from a 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:06.18 | HyperZid | peterS: well.. its: root (hd0,0) |
| 07:06.31 | wm | it's been a while, but I might have gone to 2.6 around that time, not sure |
| 07:07.06 | tcsetattr | I hope you didn't put root=(hd0,0) on the kernel command line |
| 07:07.39 | peterS | wm: well. if you switched to a 2.6 kernel, then that is the reason for the brokenness. |
| 07:07.49 | peterS | wm: try loading the 'psmouse' kernel module. 'modprobe psmouse' |
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| 07:10.14 | wm | peterS : lsmod lists psmouse and mousedev |
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| 07:11.01 | quest_ | how can i configure the kernel haveing a precompiled kernel installed? |
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| 07:11.31 | peterS | wm: that ought to work then. try a command-line test. 'od -tx1 < /dev/input/mice' |
| 07:11.43 | peterS | wm: then move your mouse and see if 'od' can see the packets |
| 07:12.14 | wm | no echo |
| 07:12.34 | peterS | wm: and this is a PS/2 mouse? as opposed to USB, I mean |
| 07:13.25 | wm | yea, just an old ps2 mouse. i've been using it over a KVM forever |
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| 07:14.28 | peterS | wm: I wonder if the KVM is interacting badly with the kernel 'psmouse' driver. in 2.4 kernels this was an X server issue, in 2.6 kernels it's a kernel issue. thus it's different codebases |
| 07:14.34 | dli | quest_, if you need some drivers( modules), apt-get install modconf |
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| 07:15.07 | peterS | wm: KVMs *can* interfere with these things, they're a little bit more complicated than just passing bits back and forth |
| 07:15.41 | Azar | whats the Debian file for /etc/modprobe.conf ? |
| 07:15.51 | bucky | quest_: cp /boot/config-<kernel-version> /usr/src/linux/.config and open it with make menuconfig to adjust the settings |
| 07:15.53 | jm_ | isn't there a kernel option to help with that? psmouse=bare, something different if it's not a module |
| 07:16.02 | wm | only one way to find out |
| 07:16.06 | jm_ | foo.psmouse=bare in that case, it's in 2.6 input FAQ |
| 07:16.35 | Azar | this course is driving me crazy their examples use non-debian commands or files |
| 07:16.36 | peterS | jm_: that'll disable your wheel too, which isn't necessarily desirable. it will help debug the problem, anyway |
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| 07:17.16 | peterS | Azar: just create any file in /etc/modprobe.d/, I like "/etc/modprobe.d/local" myself |
| 07:17.18 | nimak | is MKO still really slow? |
| 07:17.34 | peterS | mko? master.kernel.org? |
| 07:17.45 | nimak | mirrors.kernel.org |
| 07:18.05 | quest_ | dli, i have my wifi lan working (with knoppix installed) but i can't see the module there. how is it possible? |
| 07:18.15 | Azar | peterS, not that I need it is just the examples in the LPI exam 101 are not working with my Debian , I guess they use some other distro as examples |
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| 07:18.41 | dli | quest_, what's your card in "lspci" |
| 07:18.53 | peterS | Azar: you should have mentioned earlier that you were trying to get help with a certification exam. I probably would have kept my mouth shut |
| 07:18.55 | Azar | Listing 15. Sample /etc/modprobe.conf (2.6 kernel) |
| 07:19.04 | dli | quest_, then, you may "modconf" and select your driver |
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| 07:19.26 | Azar | peterS, is just out of curiosity, I bumped into that free course and wanted to see if I can learn more |
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| 07:19.53 | Azar | obviously I will not get far with that course |
| 07:20.07 | peterS | Azar: well, a single file modprobe.conf is undesirable for debian, since it's hard for individual packages to add or remove stuff from it. individual files (one per package) inside modprobe.d is much simpler |
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| 07:20.12 | quest_ | dli, 2200bg. but the card is working, so why should i select the module? |
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| 07:20.53 | HyperZid | thanks alot for the help guys.. even if it didnt fixed it all... yet... !:-) |
| 07:20.53 | Azar | thanks peterS I will look at those files then to get an idea whats that about |
| 07:20.55 | peterS | Azar: I'm not sure whether upstream module-init-tools has done the same thing. they may have done. debian *used* to have a /etc/modprobe.conf, a year or two ago |
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| 07:21.09 | dli | quest_ sorry, I don't know knoppix |
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| 07:21.25 | quest_ | dli, it is debian based, so should be so different |
| 07:21.43 | Azar | peterS yes I kind of remembering seeing it while on Woody with a 2.4.x kernel |
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| 07:22.02 | peterS | Azar: nope, what you remember is /etc/modules.conf. modprobe.conf and modprobe.d are new with 2.6 kernels |
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| 07:22.21 | peterS | Azar: the debian equivalent for modules.conf was /etc/modutils/ and individual files |
| 07:22.23 | Azar | oh indeed |
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| 07:22.45 | valdyn_ | - |
| 07:22.52 | peterS | Azar: but modutils was *not* modified by debian to look in /etc/modutils/ - rather, there was a 'update-modules' script which collated everything in that dir into a /etc/modules.conf |
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| 07:22.57 | cat | how can i copy a directory? |
| 07:23.04 | peterS | cat: cp -a |
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| 07:23.17 | peterS | cat: or just cp -r, to get a less faithful copy |
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| 07:24.16 | cat | peterS, what i want to do is copy a directory from a /mnt that i have but it's only root |
| 07:24.18 | cat | what can i do? |
| 07:24.40 | peterS | cat: I told you already |
| 07:25.28 | cat | peterS, but how can i put the permissions |
| 07:26.01 | cat | file owner root file group root |
| 07:26.02 | peterS | cat: your question is too vague to answer. you should read 'man cp' and determine whether you want cp -r or cp -a |
| 07:26.03 | cat | what can i do |
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| 07:26.46 | peterS | I told you what you can do. you should RTFM. |
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| 07:27.31 | Azar | to remove the oss should I remove the via82cxxx_audio from the soundcore line and leave there only snd and sound? |
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| 07:28.21 | Azar | thats for me, not for my study tho :) |
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| 07:29.18 | Azar | cat learn howto here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
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| 07:34.19 | brownie17 | anyone got a link for a download page for debian? which one is the newest? |
| 07:34.32 | Guerin | brownie17: topic |
| 07:34.53 | peterS | brownie17: debian 3.1r0a is the newest. downloads are one click away from http://www.debian.org |
| 07:35.29 | brownie17 | peterS, don't they have pet names as well? like i think one was called debian woody? aren't they all toy story names? |
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| 07:35.50 | peterS | brownie17: yes. debian 3.0 is woody, debian 3.1 is sarge. |
| 07:36.22 | Azar | I wish we had a pinocchio too |
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| 07:36.41 | peterS | did pinocchio make an appearance in toy story? I did not see the original movie |
| 07:36.53 | Azar | oh no but was a toy too |
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| 07:37.46 | peterS | he was a toy, then he became a real boy. do we really want debian to be named after real boys? |
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| 07:37.59 | Phated | Yea, we do. |
| 07:38.05 | Azar | true I haven't thought of that |
| 07:38.13 | Guerin | peterS: then we can have the Barbie and Ken edition! |
| 07:38.21 | Azar | :) |
| 07:38.28 | Phated | We need tourguidebarbie :) |
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| 07:39.01 | Azar | hey I would not mind if we could have names from the Beast Wars Transformers, something like : Razbinator |
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| 07:39.52 | yonkeltron | i have a new debian installation and i have the daytime, discard and time ports open on my machine....what can i do to fix this problem |
| 07:40.00 | Guerin | yonkeltron: it's not a problem |
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| 07:40.19 | Guerin | yonkeltron: but if you really care, you can edit /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:40.21 | yonkeltron | Guerin: yes i understand that.....is it an inetd thing? all i want open is ssh...that's it |
| 07:40.28 | yonkeltron | Guerin: ah...had a feeling |
| 07:40.32 | Guerin | yonkeltron: make it so. |
| 07:41.00 | tcsetattr | what, no chargen? chargen is more useful than all of those |
| 07:42.00 | yonkeltron | tcsetattr: explain.... |
| 07:42.48 | tcsetattr | well, doesn't telnet 0 19 get you an ASCII listing faster than man 7 ascii? |
| 07:42.57 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:43.27 | peterS | I think if the inetd builtin discard service has a security hole, we need to be *very* afraid |
| 07:43.28 | brownie17 | peterS, so what does the r0a mean? |
| 07:43.42 | peterS | it's quite hard to create a security hole in that service without really really trying to |
| 07:43.59 | peterS | brownie17: it means revision 0, but with a tiny change that was not caught when the original CD images were produced |
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| 07:44.13 | peterS | brownie17: r0a is almost identical to r0, but r0 had a strange but minor bug in it |
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| 07:45.33 | brownie17 | peterS, so they released a whole new image? why not just an update? |
| 07:45.48 | peterS | brownie17: an update? so people would have to burn two CDs instead of one? |
| 07:46.32 | peterS | better to rebuild the CD images. the bug was caught within a few hours of the initial release anyway - not too many people had the r0 CDs yet |
| 07:46.36 | brownie17 | peterS, whos talking about burning another cd. just an update, a tiny software patch they download an execute |
| 07:46.54 | brownie17 | ok |
| 07:46.58 | brownie17 | thanks |
| 07:47.08 | peterS | brownie17: you could make the change yourself, the change in question is well-known. in fact I believe the release notes even talked about it. |
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| 07:47.29 | peterS | i.e., the release notes mentioned that if you already had r0 it would work fine but you should edit this one text file and make this one little change. |
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| 07:48.44 | brownie17 | okay |
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| 07:54.06 | brownie17 | so if using jigdo to download debian, there is a file in the ubuntu repos called jigdo-file, install jigdo-lite and execute the script? |
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| 07:55.26 | toonx | how can i activate this option for APT ? APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 07:55.34 | peterS | brownie17: jigdo-lite works, yeah |
| 07:57.43 | jm_ | toonx: man apt-get, also read man apt_preferences |
| 07:58.02 | toonx | ok , thank you |
| 07:58.38 | jm_ | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples has a list of all the options and a sample file |
| 07:59.05 | jm_ | wait, man apt.conf, not preferences - that's something entirely different |
| 07:59.06 | Coke | I've added my remote e-mail address in /etc/email-addresses (username: remote email address), but Exim4 still delivers that mail to the smarthost. How come the rewrite rules won't make it a local delivery? What should I do to make Exim4 deliver emails to me locally instead of via the smarthost (they will be sent to me anyways) ? |
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| 07:59.54 | toonx | jm_ ok |
| 08:00.00 | toonx | jm_ got it |
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| 08:02.05 | Phated | ... HEH. |
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| 08:03.02 | Phated | Phwooey. |
| 08:03.19 | Phated | Fooey, even. |
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| 08:03.37 | tcsetattr | that one was sort of abstract. |
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| 08:03.45 | peterS | tcsetattr: that's *almost* an anagram. took me a moment to figure out that it wasn't |
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| 08:07.04 | HAUMESSER | et voila je me fais deja flamed... |
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| 08:07.18 | GUGLIELMI_ | Hello blondie |
| 08:07.21 | blondie | hi |
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| 08:07.33 | GUGLIELMI_ | where are you coming from ? |
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| 08:07.52 | blondie | :O |
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| 08:07.56 | blondie | bed |
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| 08:08.14 | HAUMESSER | ho ho ho.... |
| 08:08.17 | GUGLIELMI_ | me I'm in a class room in france |
| 08:08.22 | GLAUSER | hey |
| 08:08.28 | GLAUSER | yes me too |
| 08:08.31 | sonnie | i am running a win4lin enabled kernel-2.6.14. but 'rpm -ivh Win4Lin-5.5.16c-d.i386.rpm --nodeps' hangs. |
| 08:08.36 | GLAUSER | yes yes |
| 08:08.38 | GLAUSER | lol |
| 08:08.46 | peterS | HAUMESSER,GLAUSER,GUGLIELMI_: please go away. this channel isn't for private chit-chat. |
| 08:08.48 | blondie | rpm? |
| 08:09.08 | GLAUSER | why |
| 08:09.12 | HAUMESSER | on dérange? |
| 08:09.15 | sonnie | yes, win4lin-5.5.18c-d is a rpm package |
| 08:09.18 | Azar | ouin |
| 08:09.22 | GLAUSER | tu veux du paiN? |
| 08:09.30 | Phated | peterS: Prolly the same person. :) |
| 08:09.34 | blondie | yeah |
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| 08:09.40 | HAUMESSER | va te "prendre" Glauser! |
| 08:09.43 | blondie | I thought they were bots from the name |
| 08:09.48 | GUGLIELMI_ | so for what is this chanel ? |
| 08:09.49 | GLAUSER | hmmm.. |
| 08:09.59 | sonnie | there is a dosexec process which i can't kill |
| 08:10.02 | Azar | bots allright |
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| 08:10.29 | GLAUSER | of course guglielmi |
| 08:10.38 | peterS | !ops GLAUSER, HAUMESSER, GUGLIELMI_ n'ont pas d'intelligence et pensent qu'il faut nous dire cela |
| 08:10.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: GLAUSER, HAUMESSER, GUGLIELMI_ n'ont pas d'intelligence et pensent qu'il faut nous dire cela |
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| 08:11.08 | peterS | that works, thanks |
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| 08:11.47 | Azar | taking this course is a pain I give up |
| 08:11.58 | Azar | I cant learn on a RedHat example course |
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| 08:12.27 | caphuso | we don't really want alsatians in here anyway... they're almost german ;-) |
| 08:13.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:13.14 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 08:15.00 | triumph | how can i check if port 'n' is open / closed on my machine? |
| 08:15.09 | tarzeau | triumph: udp or tcp? |
| 08:15.23 | tarzeau | triumph: telnet or nc(6) to it |
| 08:15.39 | caphuso | netstat or lsof |
| 08:15.46 | cat | triumph: sudo apt-get install nmap |
| 08:15.52 | cat | and then nmap localhost |
| 08:16.17 | peterS | triumph: open ports: netstat -Ainet -ln | awk '{print $1 " " $4}' |
| 08:16.28 | triumph | thanks |
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| 08:16.57 | peterS | triumph: possibly also grep for 0.0.0.0: netstat -Ainet -ln | awk '/0\.0\.0\.0/{print $1 " " $4}' |
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| 08:18.02 | peterS | triumph: refining the list to not include duplicates or ports open only to localhost is left as an exercise for the reader |
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| 08:18.45 | bibe | peterS : I use 'netstat -plut', do I miss some open port? |
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| 08:20.41 | peterS | bibe: didn't realise -t and -u would actually filter out non-tcp and non-udp ports |
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| 08:22.23 | bibe | peterS : ok |
| 08:22.32 | sobersabre | hi,, is there a command to flush buffer cache or somehow to swap out memory that can be swapped out ? |
| 08:22.47 | peterS | bibe: I'd still use -n in there, to save on DNS lookups |
| 08:23.06 | spo0nman | someone knows a fruity loops replacement? |
| 08:23.08 | peterS | unless, I suppose, you like port names instead of port numbers |
| 08:23.15 | sonnie | is there any chanel on win4lin? |
| 08:23.34 | peterS | spo0nman: kernel-patch-cryptoloop |
| 08:23.43 | peterS | spo0nman: much better than kernel-patch-fruityloop |
| 08:23.51 | spo0nman | peterS: :) |
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| 08:24.08 | bibe | peterS : thanks |
| 08:24.33 | spo0nman | peterS: you no not fruity loops? :-O |
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| 08:24.47 | spo0nman | s/no/know/ |
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| 08:25.12 | peterS | spo0nman: I do, but the consumer cereal product is not really on-topic for #debian, so I figured I'd bring the topic back to debian packages |
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| 08:25.33 | sobersabre | what is vm.vfs_cache_pressure kernel tunable for ? |
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| 08:25.37 | foo | When I connect my debian laptop to my windows xp desktop via a crossover cable, should the power light light up on the NIC card? |
| 08:25.59 | jm_ | your NIC has power LED? |
| 08:26.00 | triumph | for some reason when i try to install the udev package, i get an error message saying : /etc/udev/rules.d/z55_hotplug.rules': File exists |
| 08:26.03 | foo | jm_: Yes |
| 08:26.20 | jm_ | foo: does it have link LED? |
| 08:26.30 | foo | jm_: Not too sure, but neither are lit. |
| 08:26.36 | nevyn | triumph: it's owned by another package |
| 08:26.37 | spo0nman | peterS: not those loops. |
| 08:26.48 | spo0nman | anyways since no one replied ... no one knows. |
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| 08:27.01 | triumph | nevyn: ok, so how i correct it? |
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| 08:27.15 | sobersabre | guys, i have an old system with an aesoteric Data Acquisition device.... It fills up memory, and I cannot access drivers sources... is there a way to change kernel's swapping/buffering policy via sysctl ? |
| 08:27.30 | nevyn | triumph: I would suggest that the likely culprit is hotplug |
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| 08:27.51 | jm_ | foo: well mii-diag/ethtool should help |
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| 08:27.58 | peterS | foo: that depends on the nic device, I think. some of them light up immediately when link state is established, some don't bother to even try to establish a link until the OS has loaded a driver which initialises the card |
| 08:27.59 | nevyn | but you could find out for sure by asking dpkg with "dpkg -s /etc/udev/rules.d/z55......" |
| 08:28.02 | nevyn | bleh |
| 08:28.05 | nevyn | that's a -S |
| 08:28.07 | triumph | nevyn: hotplug isn't installed, could that be why? |
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| 08:28.11 | nevyn | no |
| 08:28.21 | foo | I am trying to get two systems to be able to ping each other. Debian linux laptop and windows xp system. I have a dhcp server on debian laptop, windows xp isn't getting an IP .. tried static, no go. Any ideas? |
| 08:28.24 | nevyn | triumph: dpkg won't overwrite a file that's owned by another package |
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| 08:28.36 | nevyn | foo: did you configure the dhcp server? |
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| 08:28.44 | foo | nevyn: Yes |
| 08:28.47 | cryndes | foo: install samba on debian |
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| 08:28.50 | nevyn | foo: just installing it isn't enough |
| 08:28.53 | peterS | cryndes: bad answer |
| 08:28.55 | foo | cryndes: It's on there. |
| 08:28.57 | nevyn | cryndes: how's that going to happen? |
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| 08:29.00 | foo | nevyn: I know. |
| 08:29.03 | nevyn | s/happen/help |
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| 08:29.13 | nevyn | foo: so you have a rage statement |
| 08:29.18 | nevyn | s/rage/range/ |
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| 08:29.39 | triumph | nevyn: did you litterarly mean z55...... ? |
| 08:29.45 | nevyn | I hate living in an internet backwater. |
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| 08:29.49 | foo | nevyn: yes , server:/home/foo/Maildir/cur# grep -i range /public/linux/dhcpd.conf |
| 08:29.51 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.54 | nevyn | triumph: no. I ment the filename but I was lasy |
| 08:30.00 | triumph | nevyn: ahh ok :) |
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| 08:30.11 | triumph | nevyn: can you use a wild card character like *? |
| 08:30.18 | nevyn | blah.. finger dislexia sucking |
| 08:30.22 | nevyn | triumph: tab is your friend |
| 08:30.32 | nevyn | foo: check /etc/defualts/dhcp |
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| 08:30.43 | nevyn | you need to tell dhcpd which interfaces to listen on |
| 08:30.47 | nevyn | foo: that's defaults |
| 08:30.49 | nevyn | btw. |
| 08:30.50 | sly007 | Hi, I need to port an application which was built upon linux 2.4 framebuffer, what can I read to port it? How has framebuffer changed? |
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| 08:31.05 | nevyn | framebuffer should be the same |
| 08:31.06 | triumph | nevyn: dpkg: /etc/udev/rules.d/z55_hotplug.rules not found. |
| 08:31.14 | foo | nevyn: And? there is nothing wrong with that |
| 08:31.17 | nevyn | triumph: capital S |
| 08:31.33 | triumph | nevyn: after running : dpkg -S /etc/udev/rules.d/z55_hotplug.rules |
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| 08:31.56 | nevyn | foo: sorry it's /etc/default/dhcpd |
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| 08:32.14 | nevyn | foo: it needs to list interfaces that dhcp should be active on. |
| 08:32.24 | sly007 | nevyn, there's no more fbcon.h, no more video/fbcon-mfb.h |
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| 08:32.43 | foo | nevyn: I started it with dhcpd3 eth0 |
| 08:32.48 | nevyn | oh. |
| 08:32.55 | nevyn | you're starting it by hand |
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| 08:33.15 | tcsetattr | there is apparently a <linux/fb.h> |
| 08:33.19 | nevyn | foo: break out ethereal? |
| 08:33.26 | bucky | foo dhclient |
| 08:33.27 | nevyn | check the logs first |
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| 08:33.31 | bucky | foo dhclient eth0 |
| 08:33.41 | nevyn | bucky: how does that help? |
| 08:33.58 | bucky | what does dhcpd3 eth0 do? |
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| 08:34.22 | nevyn | run a dhcp server listening for dhcp client requests on the eth0 interface |
| 08:34.23 | foo | bucky: Start dhcpd on eth0 |
| 08:34.36 | bucky | oh |
| 08:34.45 | nevyn | foo: check the logs... the pull out ethereal? |
| 08:35.06 | foo | nevyn: Doing that, thanks |
| 08:35.21 | triumph | nevyn: you were right, i installed hotplug and now i am not getting the error message any more |
| 08:35.26 | peterS | foo: so you don't even have a link state light? do you have a light on the winxp end? |
| 08:35.32 | triumph | nevyn: thanks |
| 08:36.00 | foo | peterS: Nope, that's what is bugging me the most. Windows just throws an error saying cord disconnected... I don't think this cable is bad, though |
| 08:36.06 | peterS | foo: it seems to me that *that* is your main problem. whether dhcpd is working is secondary. |
| 08:36.16 | nevyn | foo: you're cable is broken |
| 08:36.29 | peterS | nevyn: not necessarily, he might be having NWAY problems |
| 08:36.29 | nevyn | if layer2 isn't up.. then that's a much bigger problem |
| 08:36.43 | nevyn | peterS: mii negotiation stuff? |
| 08:36.47 | peterS | yep |
| 08:36.55 | foo | nevyn and peterS: http://www.aptcommunications.com/images/RJ-45-568.gif - I followed this for crossover, correct/ |
| 08:37.11 | nevyn | you made the cable? |
| 08:37.18 | nevyn | did you test it with a cable tester? |
| 08:37.21 | triumph | ok, i have determined that the local port that i need doesn't appear to be open, even thou i have started the daemon. how can i 'manually' open the required port? |
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| 08:37.51 | peterS | foo: that diagram is correct |
| 08:38.00 | foo | nevyn: Yes, and yes. I am not getting the right lights that I should be ... but I followed that diagram .. and I've tried two cables. Odds that both are bad are very slim. |
| 08:38.05 | nevyn | foo: if one end is 568A and the other is 568B then that's a crossover |
| 08:38.24 | nevyn | foo: but you get a coresponding light for every wire? |
| 08:38.31 | liable | triumph: try to telnet to it. otherwise its firewall related. |
| 08:38.32 | nevyn | there's no gaps in the test sequence |
| 08:38.34 | peterS | foo: "very slim" is relative. it's pretty easy to make a bad crimp, especially if you're inexperienced |
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| 08:39.01 | foo | peterS: eh, I am experienced. Light pattern is 1&2, 7&8, 4&5, 3&6, if that means anything. |
| 08:39.14 | foo | I suppose I could cut off the ends and try another cable, but I don't think that is it. |
| 08:39.15 | nevyn | that's all good. |
| 08:39.18 | foo | hmm |
| 08:39.20 | nevyn | as long as they're all covered |
| 08:39.20 | foo | nevyn: Thought so, thanks |
| 08:39.40 | foo | The fact that lights aren't lighting up on the NICs are still bothering me. |
| 08:39.46 | peterS | foo: ok, try forcing the line speed and duplex. try 10 Mbit, half duplex, for a start |
| 08:39.46 | nevyn | so we're at autonegotiation type horribleness |
| 08:39.59 | peterS | foo: at the winxp end there's a dialog box for that somewhere buried in network configuration |
| 08:40.23 | foo | peterS: Yeah. Stupid windows is throwing the "Network cable disconnected" crap. |
| 08:40.27 | peterS | foo: at the debian end it's a matter of using mii-tool or ethtool |
| 08:40.39 | genocide | is anyone using rsync+scponlyc in daily use ? i'm having problems to use rsync and keep the permissions/ownerships of a file..... i use rsync -avz .. but it keeps getting the fileowners of the remote user on the target machine... even though it works for the creation/modification date of a file as also for the permissions |
| 08:40.40 | foo | peterS: mii-tool? ethtool? As far as listening on traffic? |
| 08:40.55 | tcsetattr | mii-tool tells you if the cable is connected or not. |
| 08:41.02 | nevyn | foo: no. |
| 08:41.12 | peterS | foo: those are for talking to your kernel ethernet driver and telling it to change its negotiation settings |
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| 08:41.27 | peterS | most ethernet drivers support ethtool, though I think not all |
| 08:41.28 | nevyn | on fast ethernet and gigE the nic's autonegotiate the fastest common speed |
| 08:41.37 | liable | genocide: you need to run it as root to preserve permissions. |
| 08:41.38 | nevyn | when they try to bring the link up |
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| 08:41.57 | peterS | nevyn: they're supposed to. not all products work together as smoothly as we would like |
| 08:42.03 | nevyn | that's right |
| 08:42.08 | genocide | liable, the user who is chrooted shall have uid 0 ? or do you mean no chroot at all ? |
| 08:42.16 | nevyn | and that's where we currently think foo is having a problem |
| 08:42.29 | peterS | the 100Mbit ethernet autonegotiation protocol is known as NWAY |
| 08:42.50 | nevyn | ok |
| 08:42.50 | liable | genocide: i dunno about chroots, but look at the man page for the -o option. |
| 08:42.54 | nevyn | so that's what NWAY is. |
| 08:42.56 | nevyn | awesome |
| 08:43.04 | triumph | liable: telnet localhost 3306 gives me Connection refusederror message. |
| 08:43.10 | genocide | liable, man page of that ? rsync ? |
| 08:43.16 | liable | genocide: yes |
| 08:43.18 | foo | peterS: I still think it's something on the windows xp end. Says cable disconnected... unless it's something on the linux end with eth0 being brought up correctly, but I don't think so. |
| 08:43.30 | liable | triumph: /msg dpkg connection refused. |
| 08:43.30 | genocide | ah yse |
| 08:43.31 | genocide | yes |
| 08:43.34 | genocide | i use that one ;) |
| 08:43.34 | triumph | liable: does debian come with default firewall enabled configuration? |
| 08:43.39 | kneet | lvm2 - I need to create a temp swap partition (am resizing the main swap amongst other things - which is outside of the lvm disk area). I can easily create the partition with lvcreate - but I can't see how to set the partition type to swap - what am I missing here? |
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| 08:43.40 | liable | triumph: either firewall or not running. |
| 08:43.45 | peterS | foo: cable disconnected might mean bad cable, or bad PHY chip on one end or the other, or autonegotiation gone sour |
| 08:43.46 | liable | triumph: no. |
| 08:44.05 | peterS | kneet: don't bother, just create a swap *file* and use that |
| 08:44.10 | nevyn | foo: the thing is that our current theory is that the xp nic and the linux nic can't negotiate a link speed |
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| 08:44.17 | liable | triumph: does the daemon show runnning with netstat? |
| 08:44.22 | nevyn | bad phy chip would suck |
| 08:44.23 | peterS | kneet: or if you must use a swap partition, don't bother with the partition type. just put it in /etc/fstab and 'mkswap' it as usual |
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| 08:44.37 | kneet | peterS, OK - will look at that. However - the general question of setting partition types under lvm2 is still interesting :) |
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| 08:45.01 | foo | peterS and nevyn: I just plugged in an straight cable that is on my network to both ends and both power leds on the nics light up... plugged the crossover back in, no go. |
| 08:45.02 | peterS | kneet: there is no such thing. "partition type" is a concept specific to certain partition table formats, notably the MS-DOS format |
| 08:45.13 | triumph | liable: doesn't look like it, but if i do /etc/init.d/mysql status then it says that is running |
| 08:45.15 | kneet | peterS, ah - OK - fine |
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| 08:45.28 | nevyn | can you create a dos part table on a lvm volume? |
| 08:45.33 | peterS | nevyn: no |
| 08:45.35 | liable | triumph: then its prolly misconfigured i guess. check logs. |
| 08:45.43 | foo | peterS and nevyn: wonder if it's a route issue. I just gave eth0 an ip address on the linux laptop ... do I need to do anything more? |
| 08:45.50 | peterS | nevyn: well, you could, perhaps, but it wouldn't make any sense |
| 08:45.56 | nevyn | foo: no |
| 08:46.02 | peterS | foo: not a route issue, this is way below that |
| 08:46.05 | foo | nevyn: hmm, ok, thaknks again. |
| 08:46.06 | nevyn | peterS: I agree it wouldn't have much purpose |
| 08:46.08 | kneet | Was so used to fdisk - and on lvm I've always had linux partitions (so I assumed that they were the default type - bad assumption) |
| 08:46.13 | peterS | foo: but why a straight cable would work but a crossover not work is an interesting question |
| 08:46.16 | nevyn | foo: you familiar with OSI? |
| 08:46.16 | foo | peterS: Thought so. It's really looking like a cable issue. |
| 08:46.24 | Bogaurd | does anyone have any tips for tuning linux TCP performance over a LAN? |
| 08:46.33 | peterS | foo: gigabit ethernet actually uses auto-polarity-detection so it should work with both types of cables |
| 08:46.49 | foo | peterS: The straight cable was connected to a hub that is connected that is connected to my router... it wasn't straight one computer to another |
| 08:46.49 | peterS | foo: so if at least one end is gigabit, a (known good) straight cable will work |
| 08:46.55 | nevyn | Bogaurd: what's the problem you're having? |
| 08:46.55 | peterS | ahhh |
| 08:47.01 | foo | peterS: Hmm, let me try that. |
| 08:47.27 | Dr_Fie | hey guys |
| 08:47.29 | peterS | foo: 100Mbit cards are rarely polarity-agnostic, except for 10/100 switches, which usually are these days |
| 08:47.34 | Dr_Fie | how do i autoconfigure x? |
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| 08:47.46 | Bogaurd | nevyn: it's just that on my debian box, i used to get throughput rates of about 10MB/sec, i updated from woody to sarge, now i get less than 9MB/sec most of the time. |
| 08:47.58 | dli | Dr_Fie, dpkg-configure xserver-xorg ( or xserver-xfree86) |
| 08:48.08 | nevyn | Bogaurd: with what application to what client? |
| 08:48.24 | Bogaurd | vsftpd --> windows ftp clients (smart ftp) |
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| 08:48.50 | nevyn | ok if you're having problems with ftp hrm. |
| 08:48.51 | dli | Dr_Fie, sorry, reconfigure (not configure) |
| 08:49.06 | peterS | DreamEater: please turn off that script. thanks. |
| 08:49.08 | SlayerXP | DreamEater: thanks for that. |
| 08:49.16 | triumph | liable: how can i check the logs? viewing /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.000001 doesn't give me anything apart from @4.1.15-Debian_0.dotdeb.1-log |
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| 08:49.39 | DreamEater | meh why do people complain =/ |
| 08:49.49 | peterS | DreamEater: meh why don't you just disable your script |
| 08:49.51 | foo | peterS: Hmm, no go on the straight through. It looks like an issue with the cable... maybe the two systems. Any other ideas? |
| 08:50.16 | peterS | foo: could still be NWAY. we told you about ethtool |
| 08:50.24 | foo | peterS: I can connect the crossover to a hub and see if the lights come on. |
| 08:50.29 | foo | peterS: What would I do with ethtool ? |
| 08:50.31 | DreamEater | peterS, because im trying to get it to ignore this network, and it won't work, as some servers don't bitch about an away script. |
| 08:50.40 | foo | peterS: And what is NWAY, exactly? |
| 08:50.41 | foo | Hmm |
| 08:50.45 | peterS | foo: unless the hub has autosense, that won't work. switches bought in the last 5 years usually do. |
| 08:50.46 | tcsetattr | I've never actually seen one of these NWAY failures. I have seen bad cables though. |
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| 08:51.07 | foo | tcsetattr: yeah |
| 08:51.13 | nevyn | tcsetattr: I have seen NWAY failures |
| 08:51.20 | foo | peterS: Hmm, that was more of a test to see what lights would come on. hmm |
| 08:51.22 | nevyn | particularly in the nic to nic case |
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| 08:51.30 | Dr_Fie | fux |
| 08:51.32 | peterS | foo: NWAY is autonegotiation of link speed and duplex. force each end to 100 Mbit half duplex, or so, instead of letting them autodetect each other |
| 08:51.52 | Dr_Fie | .... wtf happened... why in the heck has debian just all of a sudden decide not to install right |
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| 08:51.53 | peterS | foo: ethtool can do that on the debian end. on the winxp end, there's a setting buried in a dialog box about the network device |
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| 08:52.15 | peterS | just be sure and set them both to the same settings (10 or 100 Mbit, half or full duplex) |
| 08:52.20 | liable | triumph: try the others, like syslog. |
| 08:52.27 | foo | peterS: So you think when I get this and get the setting on windows xp the "Network cable disconnected" should go away? |
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| 08:52.46 | peterS | foo: I think you should try it. that, or if you don't want to try it, you can ask someone in another channel instead |
| 08:52.47 | liable | triumph: i actually know nothing about mysql, but if its not shown by netstat.. |
| 08:53.05 | foo | peterS: heh, nah, I trust you guys. Let me try to find this dialog box. |
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| 08:53.21 | triumph | liable: would it be in the far most right hand column in netstat? |
| 08:53.31 | loca|host | helloss, i didnt get into nstalling sarge on my dell poweredge scsi server, it doesnt find the disk ... i did the linux26 at boot, modprobe megaraid at console and nothing worked for me |
| 08:53.41 | peterS | foo: the two problems I can think of that fit your symptoms are a bad cable, or NWAY incompatibility. we're telling you how to eliminate the latter possibility. |
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| 08:54.46 | liable | triumph: the program name yes. port no, third column |
| 08:54.49 | peterS | foo: so like, ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex half autoneg off |
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| 08:56.38 | Dr_Fie | .sigh. |
| 08:56.38 | Dr_Fie | but it dosn't seem to be working |
| 08:56.39 | _no__ | hallo |
| 08:56.49 | peterS | Dr_Fie: normal thing to do is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:56.56 | Dr_Fie | that didn't work |
| 08:57.07 | nevyn | Dr_Fie: how does it fail? |
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| 08:57.20 | Dr_Fie | using vesa driver it has rgb lines |
| 08:57.30 | Dr_Fie | with vga driver it fails to start |
| 08:57.30 | foo | peterS: Thanks, trying to figure it out on the winxp system |
| 08:58.03 | peterS | foo: I haven't used xp for so long I forget where the setting is (: but go to the network settings and find device settings somewhere and.... |
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| 08:58.27 | peterS | there'll be a list of properties, you pick 'speed' and it lets you pick 10 or 100 or auto, same for 'duplex' |
| 08:58.27 | Dr_Fie | ...... |
| 08:58.28 | Dr_Fie | wtf |
| 08:58.30 | triumph | liable: so i am right that its not running? http://pastebin.com/436014 |
| 08:58.37 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:58.39 | Dr_Fie | what the hell is this crap..... :-/ |
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| 08:58.57 | triumph | liable: even thou the log, as indicated, shows that is running? |
| 08:59.24 | foo | peterS: Gocha |
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| 09:00.51 | ctp_ | hi folks. how to list files a deb package contains? |
| 09:00.54 | Dr_Fie | ..... |
| 09:00.55 | Dr_Fie | :-/ |
| 09:00.57 | Dr_Fie | :'( |
| 09:01.01 | Dr_Fie | i hate computers |
| 09:01.03 | peterS | ctp_: dpkg --contents, I think |
| 09:01.06 | peterS | Dr_Fie: please stop flooding |
| 09:01.15 | liable | triumph: yes. try netstat -pantu btw. if it doesnt show in netstat and you cant telnet, then there isnt a service running. |
| 09:01.18 | Beleys | Bonjour |
| 09:01.25 | Dr_Fie | i cant help that i type so fast |
| 09:01.32 | caphuso | Dr_Fie: i can |
| 09:01.37 | liable | haha |
| 09:01.42 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:01.52 | peterS | Dr_Fie: you can put all your emoticons on a single line. that'll save on flooding |
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| 09:02.04 | peterS | Dr_Fie: better yet, put all your emoticons on a single line, then delete the line instead of hitting enter. |
| 09:02.13 | viky | Dr_Fie : is a stupid |
| 09:02.16 | Guerin | !peterS++ |
| 09:02.27 | ctp_ | peterS: hm, dpkg needs a concrete .deb package, what i need is to see which files the metapackages in deb repository install |
| 09:02.37 | Dr_Fie | ... well fuck you guys.. fuck you in your stupid asses |
| 09:02.37 | triumph | liable: stupit configuration file, found the problem - thanks for all the help |
| 09:02.53 | liable | np |
| 09:02.58 | peterS | ctp_: http://packages.debian.org/ has an interface for this, or you can use 'apt-file' which however requires downloading several megabytes of data every so often so its dataset is up to date |
| 09:03.00 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: thanks for playing the troll game, you've been great |
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| 09:03.23 | nevyn | awwwww I was gonna give him a score. |
| 09:03.35 | peterS | nevyn: he's back, just can't talk, so you can give him his score |
| 09:03.45 | caphuso | stupid lag |
| 09:04.02 | foo | peterS: Bah, tried that. Windows is still throwing the network cable unplugged error. Piece of crap. |
| 09:04.11 | viky | Dr_Fie > you are reall stupid |
| 09:04.26 | peterS | viky: ok, enough now. he can't talk back, it's only so much fun to kick a man while he's down |
| 09:04.27 | ctp_ | peterS: ah, ok. that's what i look for. mni thx ;-) |
| 09:04.37 | foo | peterS: As far as a bad cable, I don't think that's it. I've followed the image I sent you for a crossover.. hmm. |
| 09:04.43 | Guerin | viky: who's more stupid, the stupid person, or the stupid person who has a one-sided conversation with the muted stupid person? |
| 09:04.50 | viky | ok |
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| 09:05.12 | viky | Sorry i dont know the he is muted |
| 09:05.27 | triumph | kick him in square in the nuts |
| 09:05.53 | Guerin | squeh in the nets, itym |
| 09:05.57 | tcsetattr | squaaa in the nuts. |
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| 09:06.37 | dli | /dev/.udevdb /dev/.static , are those directories normal? |
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| 09:06.39 | vorsprung | Dr_Fie, If I have trouble I configure X11 manually |
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| 09:07.09 | vorsprung | Dr_Fie, the commenting in modern versions of the XF86Config file are quite good |
| 09:07.11 | peterS | foo: if you can't get it to work after disabling autonegotiation at both ends (windows might have a separate setting for 'disable autoneg', but I don't think it does), I am not sure what else to tell you |
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| 09:07.26 | Guerin | fie123: there's only one thing stupider than trolling in #debian while caphuso is here |
| 09:07.31 | peterS | foo: if you have another computer with a nic, you can try plugging *that* into either of your other two computers |
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| 09:07.42 | Guerin | it's evading the ban and trolling some more |
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| 09:07.49 | Guerin | fie123: you're doing it now. |
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| 09:08.10 | vorsprung | Dr_Fie, run /usr/bin/X11/xf86config and then edit by hand. Look at the logs it generates for clues |
| 09:08.13 | foo | peterS: Thanks |
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| 09:08.33 | Guerin | fie123: suck it up and stop being a twat. Now /part before your other ip address gets banned, too. |
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| 09:09.11 | liable | silly bastard |
| 09:09.13 | caphuso | cool, my new alias works |
| 09:09.14 | Guerin | *sigh* |
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| 09:09.32 | dli | vorsprung, why not "X -configure" and make the results into dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 09:11.02 | vorsprung | dli, I'm old skool. I've used xf86config for about 10 years. But usually the package stuff works you are quite right |
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| 09:11.41 | dli | vorsprung, if he couldn't get dpkg-reconfigure, it's unlikely he could get xf86config |
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| 09:11.53 | Karat3 | hi |
| 09:12.17 | Karat3 | where can i find error msgs that happened at boot time, is there a log somewhere? |
| 09:12.36 | dli | Karat3, check /var/log/kern.log |
| 09:12.39 | caphuso | Karat3: /var/log/dmesg, and /var/log/boot if you have bootlogd enabled |
| 09:13.27 | liable | Karat3: or go back into vt1 and scroll up :) |
| 09:14.22 | liable | Karat3: or stop it during boot. ctrl S and ctrl Q |
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| 09:17.06 | Karat3 | thanks |
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| 09:18.50 | liable | snTLtSrYp: do that elsewhere. |
| 09:19.15 | loca|host | helloss, i didnt get into nstalling sarge on my dell poweredge scsi server, it doesnt find the disk ... i did the linux26 at boot, modprobe megaraid at console and nothing worked for me |
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| 09:19.30 | Karat3 | ctrl S and ctrl Q what is what at boottime? |
| 09:19.48 | liable | s, stop, q start again |
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| 09:20.03 | Karat3 | doesnt start again :/ |
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| 09:20.42 | liable | Karat3: hrm, never had it not start for me.. |
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| 09:21.46 | Karat3 | now ot's working |
| 09:21.58 | Karat3 | i get following error: |
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| 09:23.21 | Karat3 | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp [...]: Operation not permitted |
| 09:23.43 | Karat3 | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp [...]: Operation not permitted |
| 09:23.52 | foo | peterS: I made these cables with the tongue facing towards me.. I think it needs to be facing away. I wonder if that would be the problem. Recrimping ATM |
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| 09:24.27 | peterS | foo: the diagram is pretty clear on which pin is number 1. and yes, if you got that backwards, then the cable won't work |
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| 09:24.59 | ozzloy | how do i kill a process knowing the command that started it, but not the pid? |
| 09:25.07 | tcsetattr | if both ends are equally backwards, isn't that still a match? |
| 09:25.09 | brownie17 | foo:but you won't break anything |
| 09:25.13 | jm_ | man killall, man skill |
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| 09:25.19 | ozzloy | i know i can find out the pid by using ps -aux|grep svnserver |
| 09:25.29 | peterS | tcsetattr: but a standard crossover isn't symmetric in that way |
| 09:25.38 | brownie17 | tcsetattr, not neccessarily |
| 09:25.45 | stochastic | I'm a newbie having trouble getting my CD-writer to work (read or write), it's a SCSI player hooked up to a PCI card and I'm not sure if the PCI card is configured |
| 09:25.46 | peterS | tcsetattr: pins 1&2 are switched with pins 3&6. symmetric would be switching 1&2 with 7&8 instead |
| 09:26.26 | peterS | tcsetattr: now for a straight-through cable, certainly you can look at the pins backwards and it'll still work |
| 09:26.30 | tcsetattr | it's gotta be symmetric in some way... you can trade one end with the other and it still works :) |
| 09:26.33 | peterS | I mean if you do both ends that way |
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| 09:27.06 | peterS | tcsetattr: pins 4,5,7,8 are straight-through on a crossover. pin 1 goes to 3, 3 goes to 1, 2 goes to 6, 6 goes to 2. so as you can see it does matter which way you number it |
| 09:27.20 | peterS | tcsetattr: even if you crossed over 4,5,7,8 in some way, it wouldn't be symmetric |
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| 09:27.38 | brownie17 | tcsetattr, don't even bother, just put it in the right way |
| 09:27.44 | peterS | (ethernet only uses pins 1,2,3,6, except gigabit which uses all 8) |
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| 09:28.17 | peterS | and with gigabit the issue goes away because there's no need for a crossover cable at all (gigabit PHYs are required to support auto MDI/MDI-x) |
| 09:28.39 | ozzloy | the situation is this: i start an svnserver on my school server, but i want to kill it and restart it every morning. i'm looking at killall |
| 09:28.52 | tcsetattr | I could maybe understand that stuff better if the explanations were given with distinct numbers for all the pins on both ends (like numbered 1 through 16). But no matter. I know where to buy cables! |
| 09:28.52 | ozzloy | but any more pointers greatly appreciated |
| 09:29.05 | peterS | ozzloy: simpler is probably to run svnserve from /etc/inetd.conf |
| 09:29.26 | peterS | ozzloy: then it only serves a single connection and dies, so whatever issue you're seeing that makes you want to restart it, won't be manifest |
| 09:29.53 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: Why do you want to restart it |
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| 09:30.41 | ozzloy | peterS, yeah i noticed there was an option for daemon vs. inetd.conf. don't really know the diff. i want to make sure it's always available for me and my lab partner to work on our last programming assignment |
| 09:30.57 | ozzloy | right now i start the server as a daemon |
| 09:31.03 | ozzloy | not sure what that means |
| 09:31.10 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: And it isn't always available? |
| 09:31.11 | peterS | ozzloy: inetd means a copy is started every time someone tries to connect to it |
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| 09:31.26 | peterS | ozzloy: so it's still always available, but shuts down at the end of each connection |
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| 09:31.35 | ozzloy | oic |
| 09:31.44 | peterS | ozzloy: this might sound like a lot of overhead, to start a server on every connection, but svnserve is quite lightweight in that way so it's no big deal |
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| 09:32.16 | aLeSD | hi all |
| 09:32.29 | aLeSD | I'm a nooby in debian |
| 09:32.39 | ozzloy | peterS, ic ic |
| 09:33.06 | aLeSD | I have a deb package in my home and I'd like to install it . How could I do?ç |
| 09:33.11 | ozzloy | sanxiyn, i want to restart it cuz it shuts down every once in a while |
| 09:33.18 | blondie | aLeSD: dpkg |
| 09:33.22 | ozzloy | it stayed up for a couple days, then it went down |
| 09:33.23 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: Oh, okay. |
| 09:33.24 | brownie17 | can someone give me a hand with using jigdo to download debian? there appear to be about 10 different files in the folder of the type of debian cd i want to download, and they are all under 100k |
| 09:33.25 | botsy | for know with whose gcc the kernel was compil, the command is uname -a ? |
| 09:33.28 | aLeSD | blondie: thanks |
| 09:33.32 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: That sucks indeed. |
| 09:33.38 | caphuso | botsy: cat /proc/version |
| 09:33.46 | botsy | ok thank caphuso |
| 09:34.12 | ozzloy | thanx sanxiyn and peterS. i'll see about starting it with inetd |
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| 09:34.35 | brownie17 | anyone give me quick basic info on how to jigdo? |
| 09:34.37 | ozzloy | er.. but i don't have access to /etc/inetd.conf |
| 09:34.56 | loca|host | helloss, i didnt get into nstalling sarge on my dell poweredge scsi server, it doesnt find the disk ... i did the linux26 at boot, modprobe megaraid at console and nothing worked for me |
| 09:34.58 | ozzloy | or at least i assume i don't |
| 09:35.10 | foo | peterS: heh, it was the cable. Thanks. Looks like my "slim chance" was wrong |
| 09:35.11 | foo | heh |
| 09:35.18 | Karat3 | i get following error: |
| 09:35.20 | Karat3 | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp [...]: Operation not permitted |
| 09:35.22 | Karat3 | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp [...]: Operation not permitted |
| 09:35.23 | peterS | ozzloy: if you aren't root, you don't have access to inetd.conf, true |
| 09:35.26 | Karat3 | what is this? |
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| 09:35.36 | sanxiyn | Karat3: Operation is not permitted. |
| 09:35.42 | aLeSD | ops ... I have another problem |
| 09:35.48 | peterS | foo: good to confirm this. so... is dhcp working now? |
| 09:35.52 | loca|host | no helpers ? |
| 09:36.03 | ozzloy | peterS, would it work to do svnserve -i -r repo_root ? |
| 09:36.07 | foo | peterS: Yes, everything is fine. Need to find out what ports samba uses to open on my firewall |
| 09:36.12 | aLeSD | How could search a package with apt-get? |
| 09:36.17 | peterS | foo: UDP 137, UDP 138, TCP 139 |
| 09:36.19 | sanxiyn | loca|host: which installer are you using? |
| 09:36.21 | peterS | foo: and TCP 445, optionally |
| 09:36.22 | foo | peterS: ah, sweet, thanks |
| 09:36.22 | Karat3 | sanxiyn: yes, but what does this mean? |
| 09:36.25 | bibe | aLeSD : apt-cache search |
| 09:36.25 | ozzloy | ... not that you would know for this specific situation necessarily |
| 09:36.39 | peterS | ozzloy: I forget the exact arguments. that sounds close anyway |
| 09:36.41 | Raven007 | aLeSD: apt-cache search <regexp> |
| 09:36.48 | aLeSD | tx |
| 09:36.58 | peterS | ozzloy: actually I am supposed to know this stuff, I help maintain the debian subversion packages (: anyway, I know you're close |
| 09:37.07 | dli | aLeSD, or apt-file search for a package contains a given file |
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| 09:37.59 | aLeSD | ok |
| 09:38.06 | peterS | foo: a future version of samba might support port 135 as well, but I forget whether that's TCP or UDP or both. I'm thinking both. |
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| 09:39.00 | ozzloy | peterS, really? heh |
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| 09:39.29 | peterS | ozzloy: if you are running unstable or testing, you can verify this: "/whois peterS" and "zless /usr/share/doc/subversion/changelog.Debian.gz" |
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| 09:40.05 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: "Guilherme de S. Pastore, Al Stone, David Kimdon, Troy Heber and Peter Samuelson are responsible for this Debian package" -- http://packages.debian.org/subversion |
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| 09:40.29 | ozzloy | i believe you |
| 09:41.06 | ozzloy | it's cool that when i go for support at 1:40AM (for me) i get support from someone who maintains the package |
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| 09:41.34 | peterS | 3:40AM for me. you don't usually catch me here at this hour. (: but tomorrow I don't have much going on in the morning |
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| 09:42.36 | ozzloy | oic |
| 09:42.38 | Raven007 | peterS: nice to have you here . keep up the good work . |
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| 09:42.47 | ozzloy | i got classes at 9:30 |
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| 09:42.59 | ozzloy | indeed, thanx peterS |
| 09:43.01 | peterS | Raven007: ha, if only I were doing any real work right now. (: it's not that I lack real work to do.... |
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| 09:43.32 | Raven007 | peterS: I see ... getting lazy , huh ? :P |
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| 09:43.39 | peterS | "getting"? I've always been lazy |
| 09:43.44 | Raven007 | here is 11:43 AM :) |
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| 09:43.58 | ozzloy | Raven007, where is "here" |
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| 09:44.03 | Raven007 | ozzloy: RO |
| 09:44.05 | peterS | that would be ... eastern europe? |
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| 09:44.21 | ozzloy | ro isn't rhode island most likely |
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| 09:44.32 | peterS | romania |
| 09:44.35 | Raven007 | ozzloy: try .ro ... |
| 09:44.38 | jm_ | probably grep RO /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab ;) |
| 09:44.41 | peterS | eastern europe, as I guessed (: |
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| 09:44.59 | Raven007 | peterS: you've got it :) . have a virtual beer ... |
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| 09:45.10 | peterS | or zgrep :RO: /usr/share/misc/countries.gz # if you have the 'miscfiles' package installed |
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| 09:45.28 | ozzloy | i totally got it |
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| 09:45.34 | ozzloy | russia right? |
| 09:45.38 | peterS | ozzloy: rhode island would, in common internet parlance, be ri.us |
| 09:45.58 | jm_ | no it's a standalone country |
| 09:46.10 | Raven007 | ozzloy: Romania ! nobody heard of us ? |
| 09:46.13 | ozzloy | my last comment was in jest |
| 09:46.29 | sanxiyn | peterS: Is this miscfiles package same as one including US constitution, and motivated some DD to package Finnish constitution to mock that? |
| 09:47.00 | sanxiyn | (And, where is Debian package for Korean constitution? j/k) |
| 09:47.20 | Raven007 | about getting lazy ... I'm at work and I'm irc-iing :) |
| 09:47.32 | peterS | sanxiyn: I guess so. I don't see the US constitution in there now, but I guess it was in the past |
| 09:47.42 | dli | Raven007, of course, we all know the Roma Empire |
| 09:48.01 | Raven007 | dli: Roma is in Italy |
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| 09:48.13 | ozzloy | Raven007, at work we IM and IRC each other constantly |
| 09:48.21 | dli | Raven007, yes, I know |
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| 09:48.45 | Raven007 | dli: anyway , I've got your taunt :) |
| 09:48.58 | Raven007 | we export romAns :) |
| 09:49.16 | dli | Raven007, yeah, we all know Roman Numbers |
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| 09:49.33 | liable | hah, no go away, or i shall taunt you some more.. |
| 09:49.38 | Raven007 | romans != romanians |
| 09:49.38 | liable | now. |
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| 09:49.52 | Azar | latin surogates |
| 09:49.53 | Deggy | hi guys i need some simple assistance, I am new to debian / linux my server was set up for me with a name that i dont want to use. I need to change its name, how do i do this |
| 09:50.08 | peterS | Deggy: edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 09:50.15 | Raven007 | Deggy: /etc/hosts ; man hostname |
| 09:50.21 | peterS | Deggy: then also run 'hostname your_new_name' |
| 09:50.23 | ozzloy | Deggy, do you know how to edit a file? |
| 09:50.27 | Deggy | yes |
| 09:50.30 | Deggy | ty |
| 09:50.32 | robewald | hi, how can i find out the boot parameters a kernel was booted with, without having access to the bootloader? |
| 09:50.37 | peterS | Deggy: (that last step is so that you don't have to reboot or anything) |
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| 09:50.47 | peterS | robewald: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 09:51.14 | robewald | peterS: perfect, thank you |
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| 09:52.01 | kneet | Need to extend my root partition (contains /boot too). I have space on disk after the partition. It's ext3. Am assuming that I need to use parted to do this. Since I'm only going to move the endpoint of the partition - will grub still find /boot where it expects it to be? |
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| 09:52.19 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 09:52.32 | crash3m_ | kneet: resize2fs would also come in handy |
| 09:52.39 | jeanjacques | i'm trying to use authtest but i don't find the package for debian stable |
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| 09:53.00 | peterS | kneet: it should be fine, the grub files won't move. but just in case they do (I'm not sure how resize2fs or parted do their thing), you'll want to rerun 'grub-install /dev/hda' |
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| 09:53.08 | Raven007 | kneet : safe mode - move the end of the partition , use tar/cp/rsync on other disk , mkfs on that partition, move it all back |
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| 09:53.29 | Raven007 | crash3m_: i had some problems with resize2fs |
| 09:53.40 | crash3m_ | its...flaky for sure heh |
| 09:53.48 | jm_ | hmm shouldn't need to re-run grub-install if it was installed using grub-install - that's what stage1.5 is for |
| 09:53.58 | kneet | Partition backup I will do :) |
| 09:54.04 | kneet | Have it already in fact. |
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| 09:54.09 | Raven007 | if the data is important , i preffer my <above> solution |
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| 09:54.24 | kneet | Is resize2fs instead of parted or in addition to? |
| 09:54.31 | crash3m_ | in addition to I believe |
| 09:54.33 | peterS | jm_: you're assuming stage1.5 doesn't move on the disk when the disk is resized |
| 09:54.41 | peterS | jm_: I'm not assuming that (: |
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| 09:55.06 | jm_ | peterS: good point |
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| 09:55.32 | kneet | If in addition to - what is meant by the README in that parted supports ext3 for resize? |
| 09:55.35 | peterS | jm_: most of the time I imagine it won't move, but if the filesystem changes size such that the layout has to be rearranged, then anything could happen |
| 09:55.51 | jm_ | peterS: but it shouldn't move if you only resize it - it's installed in the area after partition's first sector |
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| 09:55.56 | peterS | kneet: it probably does support ext3 by itself, in which case you won't need resize2fs |
| 09:56.12 | Raven007 | peterS: so , it is better to move the data and do a mkfs |
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| 09:56.36 | peterS | Raven007: might be. parted probably works fine. |
| 09:56.48 | kneet | Problem is that the original installer only allocated root and boot 150M. And so I now can't upgrade my kernel - since the new kernel uses too much space. I've removed the next partition (which was swap) and re-added it smaller - leaving space to expand / |
| 09:56.58 | Skaag | anyone here from Tokio? |
| 09:56.59 | SerhaTT | what would be smart to do if the netinstall of testing doesn't detects my CD-rom drive? |
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| 09:57.17 | amorphix | greets |
| 09:57.31 | crash3m_ | SerhaTT: try another kernel |
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| 09:57.53 | Raven007 | ok , so it's back to work for me |
| 09:58.00 | Raven007 | talk to you later . bye . |
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| 09:58.08 | SerhaTT | err tried with the kernel 2.6. |
| 09:58.20 | crash3m_ | and the 2.4? |
| 09:58.20 | SerhaTT | the only other kernel it has is 2.4? |
| 09:58.22 | liable | SerhaTT: is it scsi? |
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| 09:58.37 | stochastic | my CD-Writer is not reading or writing properly, sometimes in root mode it's readable but otherwise I get errors like "/dev/cdrom does not exist" |
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| 09:58.42 | SerhaTT | owyeah lemme also say that it is a laptop |
| 09:59.06 | crash3m_ | what kinda lappy? |
| 09:59.10 | SerhaTT | not scsi as far as I know.. |
| 09:59.17 | EdLin | stochastic: are you running udev? |
| 09:59.29 | SerhaTT | the drive is a: MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ-841S |
| 09:59.35 | stochastic | EdLin, I don't know what udev is |
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| 09:59.53 | dli | SerhaTT, modprobe ide-cd |
| 09:59.57 | liable | stochastic: do the kernel logs say its been detected. my cd player would sometimes be detected, othertimes not, then it shat itself completely. |
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| 10:00.24 | SerhaTT | hmm okay i'll try.. need to reboot then.. might come back later.. |
| 10:00.28 | SerhaTT | thank you.. |
| 10:00.30 | stochastic | sorry, I should say that I'm a newbe that runs most of the time in gnome |
| 10:00.34 | amorphix | is it ok to do a dist-upgrade from a console in kde? |
| 10:00.39 | EdLin | stochastic: good, assuming that its not on your system (if you installed the gnome meta-package you may have it though without knowing it) |
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| 10:00.44 | peterS | amorphix: sounds fine to me |
| 10:00.48 | liable | amorphix: yes |
| 10:00.49 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:01.11 | EdLin | !udev |
| 10:01.12 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 10:01.27 | crash3m_ | heh |
| 10:01.54 | rhalff | where can I get lame ? |
| 10:02.12 | liable | rhalff: from the marillat repos |
| 10:02.13 | EdLin | !tell rhalff -about marillat |
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| 10:02.36 | Deggy | thats all sorted thank you guys, now all i need to work out is why one company cant send mail to us, nothing they send to our domain gets through, but everything else from others works fine |
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| 10:02.56 | loca|host | i have a sendmail problem on my sarge : i've replaced exim4 by sendmail and didnt get the virtusertable and virtusrtable.db in /etc/mail |
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| 10:03.50 | EdLin | !start an mta war |
| 10:03.50 | dpkg | qmail systems are liable to be r00ted |
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| 10:04.39 | ice_1963 | lol :0) |
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| 10:05.05 | stochastic | EdLin, will udev take care of the root/nonroot issue I'm working with? it looks like I've got hotplug right now that does udev's job?? |
| 10:05.18 | bh3881 | Hi. Can you tell me, if debian sarge samba packe is compiled to to used with ldap for user/password for shares? or do I have to compile it myself with ldap support |
| 10:05.22 | EdLin | stochastic: the opposite, you *don't* want udev if you can avoid it. |
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| 10:05.31 | liable | dont install udev if you dont need to. |
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| 10:05.41 | stochastic | EdLin, I don't have it |
| 10:05.43 | EdLin | stochastic: the problems you're having with disappearing devices occur sometimes with udev. |
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| 10:06.24 | EdLin | stochastic: run "apt-cache policy udev" to make sure. If you installed GNOME you may have installed it. |
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| 10:07.15 | stochastic | EdLin, when I do it reads "Installed: (none)" |
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| 10:09.47 | EdLin | stochastic: great, that's one less thing to worry about. :-) |
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| 10:11.23 | liable | hmm, the bots seemed to go away for a while, there back with a vengeance tonight. |
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| 10:12.21 | liable | s/tonight/atm |
| 10:12.27 | snail | when i installed, I got asked a question about what kind of wrapper I wanted around the sounds port. I'd like to choose a different answer, any hints as to which package I need to reconfigure? |
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| 10:13.29 | peterS | snail: if in doubt you can always install 'configure-debian' and run that, and it'll let you browse through all the packages on your system that you can 'dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 10:13.36 | jm_ | snail: grep debconf data file |
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| 10:15.02 | stochastic | EdLin, thanks for the help |
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| 10:16.26 | EdLin | stochastic: OK. Maybe you need to check if the /dev/cdrom symlink exists and is correct. |
| 10:17.08 | EdLin | stochastic: or, if possible, use the cd-rom's device directly rather than /dev/cdrom |
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| 10:19.01 | raafat | plz wher can i found zone file for bind9 |
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| 10:19.35 | raafat | any one can answer me |
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| 10:20.24 | crash3m_ | raafat: there are a ton of examples on the net |
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| 10:20.59 | raafat | ok just iwana foud zones file location |
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| 10:21.56 | crash3m_ | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it actiave blahb lah blah |
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| 10:21.57 | fireba11 | where could it be ? /etc/bind/ maybe ? :-D |
| 10:21.59 | crash3m_ | any advice? |
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| 10:22.54 | fireba11 | crash3m_: you where trying to do what ? |
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| 10:23.03 | liable | !tell crash3m_ about e2fsprogs |
| 10:23.06 | crash3m_ | fireba11: apt-get install fluxbox (and its 600 deps) |
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| 10:23.35 | crash3m_ | thanks liable |
| 10:23.51 | stochastic | EdLin how do I find what the cd-rom's device is? |
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| 10:24.55 | EdLin | stochastic: dmesg | less |
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| 10:25.06 | EdLin | stochastic: or maybe dmesg | grep -i cd |
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| 10:28.30 | Eclipser | is there a backport of g++4 for sarge somewhere? |
| 10:28.43 | Eclipser | does it break anything? :) |
| 10:28.58 | rootmos | is it possible to upgrade from woddy to sarge via a cd? or should i use apt-get? |
| 10:29.31 | jeanjacques | rootmos: you should use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 10:29.39 | EdLin | Eclipser: it will break a couple of things and 4.0 isn't quite better than 3.x yet, it's a re-architecturing that will help for later versions of gcc but doesn't affect performance now. |
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| 10:30.14 | Eclipser | EdLin, I just want to test things I send to spoj.sphere.pl with the same compiler they do |
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| 10:31.10 | EdLin | Eclipser: there are no gcc 4.x backports for Sarge that I know of. |
| 10:31.17 | Eclipser | ah well |
| 10:31.23 | Eclipser | it doesn't matter that much :) |
| 10:31.44 | EdLin | why aren't the bots satisfied with just one join and part tonight? ;-( |
| 10:32.14 | Eclipser | hehe |
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| 10:33.21 | EdLin | there they go again |
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| 10:33.35 | SerhaTT | liable: didn't work.. I did get the modules to load and dmesg says it's detected etc.. but somehow it doesn't create the device so I can mount it etc.. |
| 10:33.46 | SerhaTT | and when I go back to the setup it says the same |
| 10:34.31 | stochastic | EdLin, now that I've changed /dev/cdrom in my /etc/fstab I'm getting an error message concerning mounting device sr0 |
| 10:34.33 | liable | SerhaTT: what did i suggest?? |
| 10:35.18 | SerhaTT | to modprobe ide-cd |
| 10:35.49 | EdLin | stochastic: are you running a SCSI hard-drive? If not, and you're running a 2.6 kernel, don't use ide-scsi |
| 10:36.00 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 10:36.01 | dpkg | Yes, twistedemotions, you're still online. |
| 10:36.13 | EdLin | stochastic: er, SCSI CD-ROM |
| 10:36.34 | liable | SerhaTT: wasnt me. |
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| 10:37.12 | SerhaTT | ohh... anyway then I am still at the same place.. it does load the modules.. it also detects the HD etc.. but I don't see any devices regarding the HD/cd-rom in /dev/ |
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| 10:38.18 | live | hola |
| 10:38.24 | live | hola |
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| 10:38.28 | live | alguien por ahi |
| 10:38.35 | SerhaTT | !es |
| 10:38.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:41.48 | SerhaTT | liable: would it matter if I used the normal debian install instead of netinstall?.. |
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| 10:42.01 | stochastic | EdLin, no I'm not running a SCSI hard-drive but I have no other way of getting a CD-Rom connected to my computer, my secondary IDE connection on my motherboard doesn't register in bios |
| 10:42.43 | EdLin | stochastic: I didn't mean to say hard-drive.... |
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| 10:43.09 | EdLin | stochastic: so your CD-ROM is SCSI? /dev/sr0 should work OK then |
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| 10:43.48 | J_P | hi all |
| 10:43.50 | liable | SerhaTT: wouldnt make any difference whatsoever. |
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| 10:44.59 | SerhaTT | damn.. a friend next to me is installing gentoo and that did work with the same kernel as far as I know.. hmm.. ohh well I'll try some stuff.. thanks anyway |
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| 10:45.28 | liable | piaisoue: DIE! |
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| 10:46.25 | tenk | hi everybody |
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| 10:46.43 | tenk | i would like to know if there is any way to check the bios on a non local computer |
| 10:46.47 | tenk | please? |
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| 10:49.14 | zxsykco | Hello all, does anyone know where I can get support for Linux iDirect 2.4.24-uc0-iDirect0 #1 Fri Apr 29 16:01:03 GMT 2005 armv5b unknown and trying to get the system temperature? |
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| 10:49.34 | zxsykco | Any general chan or whatever would be helpful. |
| 10:49.52 | liable | try ##linux maybe |
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| 10:50.13 | stochastic | EdLin, but it doesn't work. I'm getting errors like this spewing on my non-X terminal: "scsi: device offlined, not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 5 lun 0" |
| 10:50.21 | zxsykco | hmmn, thank you. Any other ideas? |
| 10:51.48 | Nirga1 | zxsykco: You allready tried sensors-detect I presume? |
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| 10:53.30 | EdLin | stochastic: strange... Are you sure it's not a hardware problem? |
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| 10:53.52 | tenk | anyone can help me |
| 10:53.52 | tenk | ? |
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| 10:54.03 | cd32fan | hey |
| 10:54.14 | cd32fan | what´s the problem? |
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| 10:54.18 | EdLin | !tell tenk -about ask |
| 10:54.20 | zxsykco | Nirga1 I am not sure I am helping someone else find out where than can get help. |
| 10:54.26 | tenk | i would like to know if there is any way to check the bios on a non local computer |
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| 10:54.54 | tenk | because thx Edlin |
| 10:55.00 | zxsykco | I do not know the nature of the system/error/problem, only that they wish to get the system temp monitor working, Should I send them here to speak wioth you? |
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| 10:55.35 | tenk | cd32fan : because i would like to activate dma but the server is not on the local lan |
| 10:55.35 | cd32fan | i wish i could help you but i´m on amiga |
| 10:55.46 | cd32fan | hmm |
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| 10:55.56 | EdLin | tenk: use hdparm |
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| 10:56.17 | cd32fan | the heck was that |
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| 10:56.31 | tenk | EdLin : already used hdparm but shows me HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 10:56.47 | tenk | EdLin : i have also compiled my kernel with dma support and the good chipset support |
| 10:56.54 | EdLin | tenk: then maybe the hardware is blacklisted |
| 10:57.04 | Nirga1 | zxsykco: I don't know much about sensors. I only suggest they try sensors-detect if they haven't yet. |
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| 10:57.09 | tenk | EdLin : but still the same error msg, so the last chance is to check the bios |
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| 10:57.36 | zxsykco | I will send them here, their nick is linnuxxy, please help him/her if you can! Thank you for your assistance! |
| 10:57.37 | tenk | EdLin : it is a really new hardware and not blacklisted |
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| 10:58.10 | cd32fan | where can i get some ethernet drivers for Debian3.1? |
| 10:58.32 | jm_ | Linux kernel has drivers, not Debian |
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| 10:59.03 | linnuxxy | hi guys |
| 10:59.05 | Nirga1 | cd32fan: use lspci to know what your hardware is, then use google :) |
| 10:59.06 | cd32fan | so,if Debian doesn´t recognize a piece of hardware,what do you do? |
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| 10:59.21 | SlayerXP | cd32fan: compile a kernel that does |
| 10:59.23 | jm_ | you check to see if newer version of kernel supports it |
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| 10:59.54 | tenk | EdLin : so i would like to know if i can check the bios on this non local lan server |
| 11:00.13 | zxsykco | Nirga1 When linnuxxy tried sensors-detect recieved the message not supported in the target. |
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| 11:00.27 | EdLin | tenk: you probably can check it, but what good would that do if you can't change it? |
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| 11:00.35 | stochastic | EdLin, well I can get it to show the contents of discs in root mode (can't successfully rip any audio cds though) but nothing but errors in my normal user account |
| 11:00.51 | linnuxxy | i got there is no such command message |
| 11:01.01 | EdLin | stochastic: then maybe that's a permissions problem |
| 11:01.08 | Nirga1 | linnuxxy: Then install it first :) |
| 11:01.18 | tenk | EdLin : the problem is that it is on a web server and everything is really slowww , so ... |
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| 11:01.38 | zxsykco | Install, sensors-detect, Nirga1? |
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| 11:01.51 | EdLin | tenk: and reading the BIOS without the ability to change it would help - how? |
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| 11:01.57 | zxsykco | Or is that aprt of another package? |
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| 11:02.18 | tenk | EdLin : no , it will not help ... |
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| 11:03.28 | tenk | EdLin : if you have any idea... |
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| 11:03.33 | EdLin | tenk: sounds like a waste of time thne |
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| 11:03.39 | EdLin | then |
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| 11:04.13 | Nirga1 | zxsykco: yes, package is lm-sensors |
| 11:04.25 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:04.35 | tenk | EdLin : so do i have to stay like that and tell my boss that we can't activa UDMA? :( |
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| 11:04.51 | linnuxxy | i would have to rebuild to the armv5b |
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| 11:05.04 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with NFS, if the server is not connected anymore, I cannot unmount it from the client... :( |
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| 11:05.11 | cd32fan | i know that the woody versions are older,so what are the newer ones called? |
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| 11:05.36 | lunitik | cd32fan: sarge |
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| 11:05.47 | EdLin | tenk: if reading the BIOS can't help, what's the purpose of using #debian as a google replacement to find out? |
| 11:05.51 | cd32fan | those are the latest? |
| 11:05.58 | lunitik | Mazingaro: sup @ hard mounting... not smart... |
| 11:06.02 | liable | latest what? |
| 11:06.08 | lunitik | cd32fan: latest released... yes |
| 11:06.09 | cd32fan | versions |
| 11:06.12 | Mazingaro | maz: what? |
| 11:06.16 | cd32fan | ah ok |
| 11:06.18 | Mazingaro | lunitik: what? |
| 11:06.20 | stochastic | EdLin, is there permissions on devices? |
| 11:06.23 | cd32fan | thats it |
| 11:06.29 | EdLin | !d-i cd32fan |
| 11:06.32 | dpkg | cd32fan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:06.49 | EdLin | stochastic: yes |
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| 11:06.52 | dli | cd32fan, I always use "stable", "testing", "unstable", whatever the real names |
| 11:06.53 | Mazingaro | lunitik: shall I change fstab options for that mountpoint??? |
| 11:06.55 | lunitik | Mazingaro: soft mounting NFS partitions would have unmounted automagically with network failure... |
| 11:06.57 | tenk | EdLin : i think it is misunderstanding , by reading the bios , it will help me to activate or not the dma, but the probleme is how reading the bios of a server that is not on the local area network |
| 11:07.01 | EdLin | stochastic: "everything's a file" |
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| 11:07.11 | Mazingaro | lunitik: I don't know, please explain :) |
| 11:07.12 | lunitik | Mazingaro: if you're not soft mounting, definatly.... |
| 11:07.19 | cd32fan | ok |
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| 11:07.24 | lunitik | Mazingaro: man nfs |
| 11:07.32 | Mazingaro | lunitik: ok |
| 11:07.35 | Mazingaro | lunitik: thanks |
| 11:07.40 | lunitik | Mazingaro: you're welcome |
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| 11:07.44 | EdLin | tenk: www.google.com |
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| 11:08.16 | tenk | EdLin : ok you don't know the answer. thx |
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| 11:08.44 | Mazingaro | lunitik: soft: If an NFS file operation has a major timeout then report an I/O error to the calling program. The default is to continue retrying NFS file operations indefinitely. |
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| 11:08.47 | lunitik | tenk: either that, or he knows its easier to find, and will be better explained... |
| 11:08.55 | liable | tenk: well, what does it have to do with debian exactly? |
| 11:09.10 | tenk | liable : it is a debian server |
| 11:09.12 | Mazingaro | lunitik: may I write this option in an fstab file??? |
| 11:09.28 | arthur-the | bash: ps: command not found |
| 11:09.31 | liable | tenk: the bios has absolutely nothing to do with the os. |
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| 11:09.35 | arthur-the | any idea how to install ps? |
| 11:09.38 | arthur-the | :$ |
| 11:09.50 | lunitik | Mazingaro: yes... although I'm not sure I remember how to define this in fstab, so consult the man page to be sure... |
| 11:10.01 | EdLin | arthur-the: ps is part of the base system. |
| 11:10.03 | lunitik | arthur-the: umm... its part of the default system... |
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| 11:10.07 | liable | arthur-the: its in core-utils and should be installed |
| 11:10.09 | tenk | liable: i know but i thought that i would find any appz that would help me |
| 11:10.20 | lunitik | liable: coreutils* |
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| 11:10.35 | arthur-the | coreutils is already the newest version. |
| 11:10.41 | Mazingaro | lunitik: ATHLON1200:/home/nfs /mnt/nfs nfs rw,user,exec,async,soft 00 |
| 11:10.48 | liable | lunitik: *anal :P |
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| 11:11.12 | lunitik | arthur-the: just type 'ps'... it ought to be installed... if it says no such command, unfuck your PATH |
| 11:11.18 | lunitik | liable: :P |
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| 11:11.30 | liable | :) |
| 11:11.33 | vergessens | hu |
| 11:11.35 | vergessens | hi |
| 11:11.42 | lunitik | !hi vergessens |
| 11:11.43 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai vergessens! |
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| 11:12.01 | ivens | lol :D |
| 11:12.12 | Mazingaro | !hi |
| 11:12.12 | dpkg | hello, mazingaro |
| 11:12.19 | Mazingaro | !hi mazingaro |
| 11:12.20 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai mazingaro! |
| 11:12.26 | Mazingaro | buahahahah |
| 11:12.40 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 11:12.40 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 11:12.41 | lunitik | That used to be more random, damnit |
| 11:12.59 | fraudator | okay |
| 11:13.03 | lunitik | !botsnack |
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| 11:13.05 | sonnie | there are several host keys in ~/.ssh/known_hosts. how can i know which is the corresponding one to any host? |
| 11:13.05 | liable | meh, that used to be more militant too.. |
| 11:13.07 | fraudator | at least now i have a free nick ;) |
| 11:13.18 | lunitik | dpkg doesn't like rewards? :( |
| 11:13.19 | Mazingaro | lunitik: thanks |
| 11:13.30 | lunitik | Mazingaro: you're welcome |
| 11:14.12 | lunitik | fraudator: a free nick? |
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| 11:14.55 | sciboy | Hey guys, what mail server would you recommend to a newbie? |
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| 11:15.13 | SlayerXP | sciboy: what do you mean by "mail server"? |
| 11:15.14 | EdLin | sciboy: exim4 is best supported in Debian |
| 11:15.14 | liable | /dev/null? |
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| 11:15.37 | jm_ | sonny;ever opened that file in an editor? |
| 11:15.45 | jm_ | sonnie ^^^^^ |
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| 11:16.23 | sonnie | jm_, yes, i have tried removed lines one by one to locate it. but i think it's so stupid.. |
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| 11:17.06 | jm_ | sonnie: you're always welcome to write a smarter tool |
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| 11:17.34 | liable | or change your config. |
| 11:17.39 | fraudator | lunitik - ivens was allready occupated by another user :) |
| 11:17.47 | Mazingaro | bye all |
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| 11:19.44 | sonnie | hmmm, i'm not telling that ssh is not good :) in fact i tried another sshd server on remote machine and ssh it from local machine, sshd told me the fingerprint has been changed. i thought there would be a better way to automatically add the new host key into known_hosts. |
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| 11:20.45 | liable | is there no way to turn of bitchx's annoying part messages? |
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| 11:20.53 | liable | off.. |
| 11:20.56 | sciboy | SlayerXP: Well i don't know much about how email works. |
| 11:21.08 | EdLin | liable: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 11:21.15 | sciboy | SlayerXP: So i just assumed it required a server of somesort? |
| 11:21.55 | liable | EdLin: thanks. i already use it. was thinking about how to tell other people :) |
| 11:22.19 | amorphix | do people still use BitchX |
| 11:22.20 | EdLin | apt-get install irssi-text :-) |
| 11:22.22 | jm_ | liable: there's a script for irssi that does it for you, and yes, it's configurable in BX IIRC |
| 11:22.49 | SlayerXP | sciboy: do you want to send email or view email? both thing can be done by "email servers" |
| 11:23.03 | liable | EdLin: which is completely pointless, cause by the time you realise someone uses bitchx, they have just parted.. |
| 11:23.09 | amorphix | sheesh snow forecast the weekend |
| 11:23.23 | sciboy | SlayerXP: Well, got a website, so i would say send and recieve. |
| 11:23.27 | liable | EdLin: completely pointless, meaning my original question.. |
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| 11:23.55 | EdLin | liable: write a script to hack their computer and install irssi after seeing the part message. ;-) |
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| 11:24.03 | liable | hah |
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| 11:24.17 | cd32fan | does anyone here use a Fiberline FL4680 pcmcia card? |
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| 11:24.28 | amorphix | not I |
| 11:24.32 | Badm4n | hell |
| 11:24.34 | Badm4n | hello |
| 11:24.42 | amorphix | hel-lo |
| 11:24.47 | Badm4n | i have question about debian |
| 11:24.56 | amorphix | what is it |
| 11:25.09 | Badm4n | is debian rite now support for AMD 64 bit |
| 11:25.13 | Badm4n | is the packaged are ready ? |
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| 11:26.06 | Badm4n | any 1 have the answer ? |
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| 11:26.33 | Nirga1 | Badm4n: see debian.org/ports |
| 11:26.45 | liable | !debian-amd64 |
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| 11:26.58 | liable | !amd64 |
| 11:26.58 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 11:27.34 | jmd | how do I find out the capacity of a CDRW ? |
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| 11:27.44 | Bogaurd | why is it that when i go to extend my VG using LVM, i get the following error: |
| 11:27.56 | crash3m_ | jmd: you can probably use cdrecord with some options... but I couldnt tell you exactly how |
| 11:27.56 | Bogaurd | phoebe:~# vgextend raid /dev/hdc |
| 11:27.57 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.12 | Badm4n | so... will be recommended to use debian on my AMD 64 bit ? or unrecomended yet ? |
| 11:28.16 | Bogaurd | oh, oops |
| 11:28.22 | Bogaurd | phoebe:~# vgextend raid /dev/hdc |
| 11:28.22 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.22 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.37 | jm_ | jmd: blank? |
| 11:28.43 | Bogaurd | flood? 4 lines? =\ |
| 11:28.43 | lanchow | i'm looking for a pro screensaver, any idea ? (syslog or wikipedia or ..) |
| 11:28.46 | jmd | jm_: Yes |
| 11:28.54 | jm_ | jmd: query its ATIP info |
| 11:29.22 | shad0wcat | !tell Bogaurd about paste |
| 11:29.35 | Bogaurd | thanks shad0wcat |
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| 11:30.25 | jmd | jm_: Cant see it explicitly mentioned there. |
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| 11:30.43 | Bogaurd | so, why is LVM looking for /dev/hdc1 when the drive has no partitions? |
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| 11:31.01 | amorphix | anyone know why perl gives "warning setting locale failed" when doing dist-upgrade, and how to fix it? |
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| 11:31.16 | shad0wcat | amorphix: from what to what? |
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| 11:31.22 | amorphix | upgrade path was, sarge-->stable-->testing |
| 11:31.29 | SimonRaven | amorphix: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:31.33 | amorphix | thanks |
| 11:32.04 | jm_ | jmd: don't have recorder handy here, but it does list it (either in sectors or time units) |
| 11:32.11 | shad0wcat | uhh |
| 11:32.14 | stochastic | EdLin, I've given permissions to all my users for the CD-Rom device and still I'm getting the error "/dev/sr0 is not a valid block device" |
| 11:32.19 | shad0wcat | you gotta be insane to run testing these days |
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| 11:32.27 | amorphix | Shad0wcat: perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en_GB:en" |
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| 11:32.49 | amorphix | are supported and installed on this system |
| 11:32.55 | shad0wcat | testing is more buggy than unstable these days |
| 11:33.02 | amorphix | phew |
| 11:33.05 | amorphix | i dont like it |
| 11:33.18 | shad0wcat | *shrug* |
| 11:33.22 | Badm4n | i need you suggestion |
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| 11:33.27 | Badm4n | what do you think to use this DEBIAN AMD 64 on my production server ? |
| 11:33.30 | jmd | jm_: I've got "start of lead in/out" Is that it ?? |
| 11:33.33 | jm_ | jmd: paste the output on some paste site |
| 11:33.33 | amorphix | but after upgrading to stable my system became very UNstable ! |
| 11:33.36 | ams_ | amorphix, specify the encoding, like en_GB.UTF8 |
| 11:33.38 | Bogaurd | does anyone know why is LVM looking for /dev/hdc1 when i try to add /dev/hdc to a partition group? the drive has no partitions. |
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| 11:33.49 | shad0wcat | !tell Bogaurd about repeat |
| 11:34.06 | jm_ | crap now I can't enable DMA on my DVD-ROM anymore, I noticed 2.6 is much worse than 2.4 in this respect |
| 11:34.06 | Shadur | Doesn't that happen when you're upgrading locales but the new locales haven't been generated yet while it's proceeding with the install? |
| 11:34.11 | shad0wcat | Badm4n: if you're asking, you're not skilled enough to deploy debian amd64 |
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| 11:34.18 | amorphix | I've got some error messages related to NFS which seems to be a bug reappearance |
| 11:34.30 | shad0wcat | Shadur: it's a bug in the testing install procedure scripts |
| 11:34.33 | EdLin | amorphix: you can't un-upgrade from testing or unstable to stable. |
| 11:34.34 | shad0wcat | it happens all the time |
| 11:34.41 | jmd | jm_: I'll paste it in #flood |
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| 11:34.49 | amorphix | Edlin: what should I do then? |
| 11:34.54 | amorphix | reinstall? |
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| 11:34.59 | Badm4n | shad0wcat :) |
| 11:35.02 | jm_ | jmd: I am not there ;) |
| 11:35.08 | shad0wcat | jm_: liar |
| 11:35.13 | shad0wcat | :P |
| 11:35.23 | EdLin | amorphix: if you want to go back to running Sarge from testing/unstable you should reinstall. |
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| 11:35.33 | shad0wcat | pfft |
| 11:35.35 | jmd | jm_: Can't you join it?? |
| 11:35.37 | shad0wcat | running unstable isn't that bad |
| 11:35.51 | shad0wcat | you just have to learn to live without ls |
| 11:35.53 | shad0wcat | ;) |
| 11:35.55 | amorphix | EdLin: I had an old Sarge CD and I installed a base system, then switched to stable source and did a dist-upgrade. that was a mistake? |
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| 11:36.17 | loxley_ | amorphix: sarge is stable |
| 11:36.18 | EdLin | !d-i amorphix |
| 11:36.19 | dpkg | amorphix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:36.30 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:36.40 | EdLin | loxley_: he probably means he installed Sarge with an old Sarge-testing CD |
| 11:36.46 | jm_ | jmd: not now |
| 11:36.48 | amorphix | yes exactly |
| 11:36.51 | loxley_ | EdLin: ohh, ok |
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| 11:37.30 | jmd | jm_: Oh welll there's only 2 lines that can possibly be of interest, they are: |
| 11:37.36 | jmd | ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) |
| 11:37.36 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.42 | jm_ | that's it |
| 11:37.42 | amorphix | I made a mistake eh |
| 11:38.16 | shad0wcat | if you don't know how to run debian testing/unstable |
| 11:38.19 | shad0wcat | DON'T go there |
| 11:38.33 | amorphix | I know how to run it |
| 11:38.34 | shad0wcat | or you'll get burned, eaten, chewed, and spat out like a piece of used gum |
| 11:38.39 | jmd | jm_: So which is the capacity? and what are the units? |
| 11:38.50 | blondie | glue |
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| 11:39.10 | amorphix | I need a stable system |
| 11:39.12 | jm_ | jmd: 359846*2048 (or rely on the 79:59 value - 80min so 700MB CD) |
| 11:39.30 | shad0wcat | amorphix: then go download a current sarge cd and reinstall |
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| 11:39.41 | amorphix | :-/ |
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| 11:39.45 | liable | amorphix: so leave your internet unplugged, then edit sources list once base is installed.. |
| 11:39.49 | amorphix | I spent 3 hrs on this install yesterday |
| 11:39.55 | jmd | jm_: OK thanks |
| 11:39.56 | amorphix | ok |
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| 11:41.12 | caphuso | clear |
| 11:41.22 | caphuso | damn |
| 11:41.46 | amorphix | is it a very silly thing to do then to use an old sarge testing cd to install a base system, and then attempt an dist-upgrade to sarge stable? on a scale of 1-10? |
| 11:42.41 | liable | amorphix: no, should work fine, as long as you install base without internet, otherwise you will get etch instead. |
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| 11:43.59 | amorphix | ah |
| 11:44.15 | amorphix | I did do it without internet, i left my DNS out on purpose |
| 11:45.20 | amorphix | but for some reason the installation went very badly, and my computer is full of problems, mostly related to NFS stability/error messages |
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| 11:46.50 | amorphix | tecra rpc.statd[3552]: Received erroneous SM_UNMON request from tecra for 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:47.04 | liable | amorphix: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 11:47.10 | amorphix | lots of these, and theres very little info on Google except indications its a possible bug |
| 11:47.15 | amorphix | ok |
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| 11:51.17 | stochastic | my cdrom - /dev/sr0 - is configured so in my /etc/fstab and all my users are in the cdrom group and there is a perfectly good (pre-DRM) audio cd in my drive but I get mount error: /dev/sr0 is not a valid block device when attempting to open it in a file browser |
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| 11:53.15 | dawg | stochastic, you don't mount music cds |
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| 11:53.41 | stochastic | dawg, I'm merely double clicking the cd icon in a file browser |
| 11:53.55 | dawg | and no doubt that's what it's trying to do |
| 11:55.35 | stochastic | dawg this happens to burnt data cds too |
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| 11:57.36 | dawg | stochastic, then you should double check that /dev/sr0 is correct, maybe scd0? |
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| 12:01.09 | stochastic | dawg but when I run "dmesg | grep -i cd" it returns "sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 6x/6x writer cd/rw xa/far |
| 12:01.17 | dli | why gnome depends on samba? I don't have windows here, no need for samba |
| 12:01.25 | stochastic | xa/form2 cdda tray |
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| 12:03.00 | caphuso | dli: what makes you think that it does? |
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| 12:03.52 | Karat3 | hi |
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| 12:04.34 | dli | caphuso, I saw libsmbclient in dist-upgrade |
| 12:04.35 | Karat3 | my computer does freez and not reboot when i type reboot in a shell. what is the reason for this and is there a workaround? |
| 12:04.44 | jm_ | dli: to access files on Windows hosts? |
| 12:05.02 | dawg | stochastic, incorrect filesystem? tried mounting manually specifying the fs? |
| 12:05.17 | caphuso | dli: and that constitutes a "depends on samba"? |
| 12:05.17 | dli | jm_: no, I don't have windows here, so I don't need it |
| 12:05.38 | stochastic | dawg, I don't follow you? |
| 12:05.42 | jm_ | dli: right, but the package is the same for people that have it or not |
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| 12:05.51 | doleyb | dLi: so you don't need all of gnome, so don't get gnome. "gnome" includes tons of utils for many things that not everyone needs. |
| 12:06.06 | doleyb | oops, jm_ thats for u |
| 12:06.06 | caphuso | i don't think you can easily get rid of that gnomevfs stuff |
| 12:06.15 | jm_ | indeed |
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| 12:06.56 | dli | doleyb, I found I installed vim-gnome, replaced it with vim-python |
| 12:07.08 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:07.08 | caphuso | you could, of course, recompile gnome to save those precious 1.5MiB of disk space libsmbclient uses |
| 12:07.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:07.14 | dawg | stochastic, something like; mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /cdrom # or such |
| 12:07.26 | dli | caphuso, looks like because of vim-gnome |
| 12:07.37 | daxxar | !wud |
| 12:07.38 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 12:07.55 | daxxar | wud u murry muh? |
| 12:07.57 | Karat3 | my computer does freez and not reboot when i type reboot in a shell. what is the reason for this and is there a workaround? |
| 12:07.59 | caphuso | dli: wrong |
| 12:08.19 | EdLin | !tell Karat3 -about repeat |
| 12:08.23 | doleyb | EdLin: waarom bent u gek? |
| 12:08.39 | jm_ | Karat3: try using alternative options, reboot=warm etc |
| 12:08.54 | Karat3 | ic |
| 12:09.01 | EdLin | doleyb: I don't know what you're saying and am afraid to ask. ;-) |
| 12:09.28 | doleyb | EdLin: i just wanted to use "u" in a sentence. |
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| 12:09.30 | stochastic | dawg, that returns the same "mount: /dev/sr0 is not a valid block device" |
| 12:10.05 | Karat3 | jm_: reboot=warm does nothing :/ |
| 12:10.32 | dawg | stochastic, try with other devices, or maybe the data cd you have in there is not using the iso9660 fs? |
| 12:10.49 | jm_ | Karat3: it's a kernel option that you need to pass from boot loader ... |
| 12:10.53 | youfillu | hi I have the follwoing modes in XF86Config-4 "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" but I would like that 1024x768" is the default one when gdm starts how do I do that? |
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| 12:11.06 | caphuso | stochastic: you do NOT MOUNT AUDIO CDs |
| 12:11.31 | SimonRaven | youfillu: put it first |
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| 12:12.11 | youfillu | SimonRaven: then I get a virtual screen so the screen moves around when I move the mouse. |
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| 12:12.15 | dli | youfillu, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:12.19 | Karat3 | hm |
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| 12:12.53 | caphuso | stochastic: you can't even access them as block devices, so stop trying |
| 12:12.55 | botsy | hi all |
| 12:13.16 | dli | stochastic, you just play audio cd, no mount, the same applies to vcd, dvd, even though you could mount them |
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| 12:13.24 | jm_ | youfillu: set Virtual to 1024 too |
| 12:13.24 | youfillu | dli: I can not set the defult resolution with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 at least so have I not seen such an option there. |
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| 12:13.28 | SimonRaven | youfillu: ViewPort 0 0 IIRC |
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| 12:13.56 | dli | youfillu, select 1024x768 only, uncheck all others |
| 12:13.57 | youfillu | ok |
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| 12:14.10 | SimonRaven | yeh, that'll help |
| 12:14.11 | youfillu | dli, I want the others as well there.. |
| 12:15.01 | SimonRaven | take care of centering it first, then add the others |
| 12:15.25 | youfillu | SimonRaven, Ill try that.. |
| 12:15.39 | youfillu | bye |
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| 12:18.01 | stochastic | caphuso, I was getting these errors with a burned data cd (burned from a windows machine) |
| 12:18.26 | caphuso | stochastic: does the CD work in windows? |
| 12:19.04 | stochastic | caphuso, and when I attempt to open an audio cd through any player/ripper it claims there are no playable cds found |
| 12:19.14 | stochastic | yes it works in windows |
| 12:20.03 | caphuso | stochastic: then you either didn't load the proper modules or forgot to compile in some necessary kernel support or your drive is broken |
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| 12:21.21 | ikram | i wanted to access some arabic files from NTFS windows partion... but i was shoked when i found that all the folders and files that has arabic names .. (all of them have a question mark names) at all.. there were just the folders and files that has english names..any body can help me...... thx in advance |
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| 12:21.34 | stochastic | caphuso when the whole update for sarge moving to stable came and I did an upgrade it stopped working |
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| 12:23.27 | ikram | i wanted to access some arabic files from NTFS windows partion... but i was shoked when i found that all the folders and files that has arabic names .. (all of them have a question mark names) at all.. there were just the folders and files that has english names..any body can help me...... thx in advance |
| 12:23.45 | stochastic | caphuso, any suggestions as to how to figure out what modules/kernel support issues I might be having? |
| 12:24.03 | EdLin | !tell ikram -about repeat |
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| 12:24.07 | caphuso | stochastic: check that you have all necessary modules |
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| 12:24.17 | jan_ | Hi, i'm running testing/unstable now, is there a way to go back safely to Stable ? |
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| 12:24.22 | caphuso | jan_: reinstall |
| 12:24.30 | jan_ | ok, thanks :p |
| 12:24.35 | dli | ikram, make sure you have nls (native language support) in kernel |
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| 12:24.38 | stochastic | caphuso ??? |
| 12:24.45 | caphuso | stochastic: !!! |
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| 12:25.03 | stochastic | caphuso how do I check that? |
| 12:25.19 | caphuso | stochastic: uh, start with reading the lsmod output |
| 12:25.55 | stochastic | caphuso, and what am I looking for in that output? |
| 12:26.02 | caphuso | stochastic: the modules you need |
| 12:26.20 | stochastic | caphuso, which ones do I need? |
| 12:26.21 | youfillu | I have put ViewPort 0 0 and Virtual 1024 768 into XF86Config-4 but now the max resolution is "1024x768" I can not get "1280x960" "1152x864" with krandrtray. |
| 12:26.30 | ikram | dli, i have nls in kernel |
| 12:26.43 | caphuso | stochastic: the one for your scsi controller, the one for scsi cd-rom drives and the one for generic scsi devices |
| 12:26.53 | dli | ikram, and the correct code pages? |
| 12:27.06 | jm_ | youfillu: and if you use just ViewPort? |
| 12:27.12 | doleyb | youfillu: an alternate approach: just reset XFree86-config to how it was originally, and put "xrandr -s2" into ~/.kde/Autostart (a 1-line script) |
| 12:27.20 | dli | stochastic, modprobe sr_mod |
| 12:27.38 | ikram | dli, what do you mean by correct code pages |
| 12:27.47 | doleyb | youfillu: then it wil lbe at 1280 when you first load, but immediately set to 1024 when kde goes |
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| 12:28.01 | stochastic | dli when I do that it returns nothing |
| 12:28.10 | dli | ikram, "make menuconfig" go to filesystems -> nls, find your language |
| 12:28.21 | dli | stochastic, lsmod |
| 12:28.41 | youfillu | doleyb: Well I would like that the default resolution is 1024 768 and then the user could switch to "1280x960" "1152x864" when he logs in.. |
| 12:28.46 | stochastic | dli there's a huge list when I do that, and sr_mod is in that list |
| 12:29.08 | dli | stochastic, check whether you got anything in "dmesg" |
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| 12:29.31 | guitoune | i want to manage a debian installation with qemu, with 3 logical hd of 500M ext3 with RAID5 just one partition, /, i can't manage to install a bootloader (grub or lilo fails) |
| 12:29.31 | youfillu | jm_, only ViewPort 0 0 did not work.. |
| 12:30.17 | stochastic | dli there's tons of stuff in dmesg, what should I be looking for? |
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| 12:30.27 | ikram | dli, and then |
| 12:30.54 | caphuso | stochastic: obviously anything related to scsi and cd-rom drives |
| 12:30.56 | jm_ | youfillu: right, I remember that didn't help me either |
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| 12:32.56 | drcode | hi all |
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| 12:32.57 | stochastic | caphuso, there's lots, how can I paste it for you to see? |
| 12:33.04 | drcode | any one mybe know about pilot-link and iconv ? |
| 12:33.25 | EdLin | !paste |
| 12:33.25 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 12:34.59 | stochastic | EdLin, what's the command to get something to paste into #flood |
| 12:35.03 | dli | stochastic, apt-get install less; dmesg|less |
| 12:35.05 | goil | heelo |
| 12:35.06 | goil | hello |
| 12:35.18 | goil | nvidia-drivers |
| 12:35.20 | goil | 2.6.12 |
| 12:35.24 | goil | download? |
| 12:35.29 | goil | where? |
| 12:35.30 | Shadur | ~tell goil about nvidia debs |
| 12:35.37 | goil | yes |
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| 12:36.23 | Shadur | goil: Here's an interesting trick: Try using more than one word per line. Once you master that, you can try to go for an actual coherent sentence. |
| 12:36.25 | ikram | dli, do you mean that i have to go to /etc/fstab |
| 12:36.29 | drac | 1.. 2.. 7 lines to ask one question. |
| 12:36.30 | resiak | !tell goil -about enter |
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| 12:36.43 | resiak | !tell goil -about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:36.44 | resiak | !tell goil -about nvidia howto |
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| 12:36.46 | resiak | HTH |
| 12:36.50 | xfan | !tell goil -about enter |
| 12:37.00 | drac | !tell xfan -about repeat |
| 12:37.01 | xfan | !tell ramiro -about enter |
| 12:37.08 | goil | ) |
| 12:37.09 | xfan | !tell xfan -about enter |
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| 12:37.09 | Shadur | xfan: Knock it off, please. |
| 12:37.18 | xfan | sorry |
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| 12:37.26 | stochastic | dli that's just another way to read dmesg isn't it? |
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| 12:40.25 | Karat3 | any idea how to make my system really reboot and not freeze when i type "reboot" or "init 6" |
| 12:40.27 | Karat3 | ?? |
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| 12:40.46 | Phated | 'freeze'? |
| 12:41.05 | dli | Karat3, I think you have to play with apm or acpi support in kernel |
| 12:41.17 | stochastic | ok, I give up I'm going to bed, then I'm going to look into installing windows in the morning |
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| 12:41.35 | Ronin | stochastic: installing windows? on purpose? |
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| 12:42.09 | eleftherios | Is it possible to format those external USB drives as ext3? I would like to use on with my debian system (Etch) in order to keep my svn repositories |
| 12:42.12 | stochastic | Ronin, yeah, their software actually detects devices |
| 12:42.37 | Ronin | as does debian |
| 12:42.39 | vulture | eleftherios: sure.. they're just a disk like any other.. |
| 12:42.41 | jm_ | elefe;why wouldn't it be possible? |
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| 12:42.48 | jm_ | eleftherios ^^^^ |
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| 12:43.26 | eleftherios | vulture, jm_, thank you |
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| 12:44.12 | kuda | i have a doubt, what cds should i downloaded for me to install debian?the all 14 cds? |
| 12:44.20 | kuda | or just cd1? |
| 12:44.28 | weissi | eleftherios: mke3fs /dev/sda # but afterwards they're not more usable on other os |
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| 12:44.53 | weissi | kuda: do you have internet on the computer you like to install to? |
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| 12:46.14 | Ronin | kuda: do you have a fast connection |
| 12:46.21 | kuda | Ronin: no |
| 12:46.25 | weissi | ? |
| 12:46.29 | weissi | kuda: cd1 is ok for base install |
| 12:46.30 | amorphix | phew bot attack |
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| 12:46.38 | Nirga1 | kuda You can download most of the software after install from a small "netinst" cd probably |
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| 12:47.02 | amorphix | ah |
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| 12:47.17 | drac | !ops please ban join/part cycling flood bots. |
| 12:47.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban join/part cycling flood bots. |
| 12:47.24 | kuda | weissi: after i install the base how to i install other packages? do i have to download the rest of cds? |
| 12:47.30 | amorphix | why are people hassling us |
| 12:47.44 | Ronin | amorphix: same shit different day here in camp debian |
| 12:47.48 | resiak | amorphix: /names -count . That's why. They want usernames to spam! |
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| 12:47.48 | Phated | /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS in irssi. :) |
| 12:47.53 | amorphix | from Turkey |
| 12:47.53 | eleftherios | weissi, thank you. I do not need to use it on anything other than Debian. I just need an external drive because I switch between my own machines and I'd like to have a central repository of files |
| 12:48.01 | Ronin | kuda: you then use apt-get to install |
| 12:48.07 | Nirga1 | kuda: Only the packages you actually want to install |
| 12:48.10 | amorphix | oh |
| 12:48.12 | resiak | !nospambot |
| 12:48.13 | dpkg | it has been said that nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 12:48.16 | kuda | Ronin: tnx ;) |
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| 12:48.24 | vulture | eleftherios: why not run one of the boxes as a server instead? |
| 12:48.30 | weissi | kuda: the install prog will ask you for a debian mirror, you choose the one in your country and then apt-get install <package-name> |
| 12:48.39 | shevek | My computer doesn't seem to have a PC speaker, but I want a beep, at least in X. Can I send it to the sound card (preferably in general, but only gnome would be great)? |
| 12:48.56 | kuda | weissi: tnx ;) |
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| 12:49.21 | eleftherios | vulture, I do. But I would like the portability of a single drive. I move cities a lot. |
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| 12:49.37 | amorphix | cant you guys complaint to these guys hosts in Turkey? |
| 12:49.38 | amorphix | it |
| 12:49.39 | eleftherios | resiak, hello =) |
| 12:49.46 | weissi | fucking bot! get out! |
| 12:49.53 | Ronin | amorphix: i prefer cutting the lines to turkey personally |
| 12:49.57 | amorphix | it's Turkish Telecom abuse@ttnet.net.tr |
| 12:49.59 | vulture | eleftherios: *shrugs* I'd still use a server, the possibility of losing/damaging a portable drive would concern me quite a bit.. |
| 12:50.02 | amorphix | haha |
| 12:50.07 | Ronin | but then i dont even see the flooding |
| 12:50.07 | resiak | eleftherios: 'lo :) |
| 12:50.08 | amorphix | lets block Turkey out? |
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| 12:50.32 | eleftherios | vulture, I always keep backups |
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| 12:50.44 | amorphix | 85.[97-102]. |
| 12:50.48 | amorphix | yay |
| 12:50.50 | resiak | amorphix: It's been done in the past, but ttnet.net.tr is quite literally the only serious Turkish ISP, so you'd be blocking out literally every turkish Debian user. |
| 12:50.51 | amorphix | k-lined |
| 12:51.13 | amorphix | damn, yeah thats a bit unfair i guess |
| 12:51.15 | dli | eleftherios, I use jfs on my usb-hdd |
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| 12:51.42 | jm_ | so what? ban them and let them sort out the problematic machines/users |
| 12:51.48 | Ronin | amorphix: bah, block it i say but im a nasty sob today :) |
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| 12:51.56 | amorphix | lol |
| 12:52.13 | eleftherios | dli, what's the advantage in using jfs? |
| 12:52.19 | RainbowW | is there a way to change how thunderbird displays quoted portions of an email when composing? i want to get away from the lines on the left/right side and go back to the > standard way of doing it |
| 12:52.27 | amorphix | are they trying to intentionally disrupt the channel or annoy people, or have their bots just gone mad? |
| 12:52.39 | dli | eleftherios, fancier than ext3 |
| 12:52.51 | EdLin | eleftherios: I don't recommend jfs, it's pretty much the buggiest Linux filesystem |
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| 12:53.08 | EdLin | !start a fs war |
| 12:53.08 | dpkg | VFAT is better than ext3!! |
| 12:53.13 | dli | eleftherios, for example, ext3 reserves about 5% space for inode table |
| 12:53.14 | amorphix | haha |
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| 12:53.37 | Nirga1 | EdLin :) |
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| 12:53.47 | amorphix | ext3 works for me |
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| 12:54.04 | eleftherios | I want the most stable fs and I guess ext3 is the best choice |
| 12:54.39 | EdLin | eleftherios: ext3 is the most stable. |
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| 12:55.02 | EdLin | eleftherios: both in code maturity and in design. |
| 12:55.29 | dli | !find /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz |
| 12:55.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz' returned no results. |
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| 12:56.14 | EdLin | eleftherios: it's not the fastest though, but unless you need performance in particular server applications the difference won't be noticeable. |
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| 12:57.02 | eleftherios | EdLin, no, I am just storing subversion repositories for personal use |
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| 12:57.31 | carlinhos | hi, what about the acx100 proyect? the builds of the driver stopped at v. 57 time ago |
| 12:57.54 | weissi | * acx100 sucks |
| 12:58.57 | StylusEater_Work | I've tried to configure apt for a proxy server using this man page: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt.conf.5.html and it's still giving me 111 errors...connection refused...any help would be appreciated... |
| 12:59.12 | carlinhos | weisi wow !! |
| 12:59.36 | weissi | StylusEater_Work: export http_proxy="http://localhost:3128" ??? |
| 12:59.56 | StylusEater_Work | it's a remote proxy...an another machine through port 80 |
| 13:00.13 | StylusEater_Work | so just export it like you suggested? |
| 13:00.23 | StylusEater_Work | using http://hostname:80 ??? |
| 13:00.34 | weissi | carlinhos: incredibly smart, no? *g* I'm waiting for a new release, too. I'll probably mail one of the authors if they continue... |
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| 13:00.50 | weissi | StylusEater_Work: http://proxy.host:port |
| 13:01.02 | dli | StylusEater_Work, if you have control over the proxy box, apt-get install apt-proxy |
| 13:01.08 | carlinhos | ;), but the cvs sems to be older than the prepackages no? |
| 13:01.12 | StylusEater_Work | absolute genius |
| 13:01.18 | StylusEater_Work | thx a lot |
| 13:01.21 | StylusEater_Work | :-) |
| 13:01.36 | weissi | carlinhos: I always take the snapshot tarballs |
| 13:01.48 | carlinhos | me too |
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| 13:03.24 | dtb | apt-cache search gaim-spelling ... does anybody have that? or know how i can get spell check support back onto my gaim install ?? |
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| 13:04.30 | dli | dtb gaim-extprefs |
| 13:04.34 | carlinhos | may be acx100 sucks but i have a 13km link at 2 Mb stables with a dlink dwl-g250+ |
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| 13:05.37 | weissi | carlinhos: wow! 13km! not bad. Mine is very cpu intensive and sometimes doesn't want to connect... |
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| 13:06.22 | carlinhos | sorry i have a dwl-520+ do you have a dwlg-250+? |
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| 13:06.47 | foka | Hello! Does anybody know how to get "ssh -g" to work? :-) |
| 13:07.12 | weissi | carlinhos: no I have dlink dwl 650+ |
| 13:07.25 | rage | foka: My understand is that -g needs to be used with L |
| 13:07.28 | carlinhos | mmm, i have not tested that |
| 13:07.34 | carlinhos | acx111? |
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| 13:08.10 | weissi | carlinhos: no, I have acx100, sure. didn't even know about acx111 |
| 13:08.19 | agilman | could anyone proof read my essay? |
| 13:08.23 | agilman | its really crappy :( |
| 13:08.46 | foka | rage: Thanks! Does it work with -R too? |
| 13:08.58 | carlinhos | acx111 sucks more than acx100 |
| 13:09.00 | rage | I think so |
| 13:09.09 | rage | uncertain though, I dont often use -R |
| 13:09.21 | weissi | carlinhos: even more, respect! how did you get a 13km link? |
| 13:10.05 | weissi | foka: with -R you can install a tunnel from machine A on machine B to machine C |
| 13:10.08 | rage | foka: Keep in mind that you cannot forward to priviledged ports |
| 13:10.18 | foka | rage: When I use with -L, I often see stuff like "address already in use"... |
| 13:10.25 | carlinhos | with a stella doradus grid antenna 21 dbi an at the other side a stella doradus omni of 12 dbi |
| 13:10.50 | rage | Sounds like you're trying to forward to a port thats already in use, what are you trying to acheive? |
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| 13:11.20 | carlinhos | an a good location for the antennas |
| 13:12.03 | weissi | carlinhos: kewl! |
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| 13:12.08 | goil | where i can find nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.12 |
| 13:12.17 | carlinhos | apt |
| 13:12.19 | goil | deb |
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| 13:12.53 | foka | rage: I have a web server behind firewall, and would like to make it available to the outside world by port-forwarding to a server with public IP, so others could access it using e.g. http://example.com:30080/ |
| 13:12.59 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one liner |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:13.30 | foka | rage: or, with multiple tunnels, make it available to another office branch behind their own firewalls... :-) |
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| 13:13.59 | rage | sorry, foka, brb |
| 13:14.18 | foka | rage: No problem. :-) |
| 13:14.24 | carlinhos | bye |
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| 13:14.30 | weissi | bye |
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| 13:15.12 | Backup | hi wer can i see the temperature of my CPU? |
| 13:15.30 | Backup | plz. do not answer : in the bios |
| 13:15.30 | weissi | Backup: acpi -V |
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| 13:15.43 | Backup | klas:/home/klas# acpi -V |
| 13:15.43 | Backup | bash: acpi: command not found |
| 13:15.44 | weissi | Backup: if you have configured acpi |
| 13:15.51 | Backup | no |
| 13:15.54 | Backup | i dont have |
| 13:15.58 | Backup | how can i do it? |
| 13:16.16 | weissi | Backup: or cat /proc/bus/acpi/processor/.../* (not completely sure about the path) |
| 13:16.27 | weissi | Backup: configured your own kernel? |
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| 13:16.32 | Backup | no |
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| 13:16.47 | goil | !non-free sources |
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| 13:16.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 13:17.04 | weissi | Backup: sarge, etch, sid? |
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| 13:17.15 | Backup | sarge |
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| 13:17.25 | quitte | i have a problem with bridging. eth0 together with tun0 doesnt work properly it seems |
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| 13:17.43 | quitte | the weird thing is i had it working earlier |
| 13:17.58 | StylusEater_Work | ok...this one is probably a little more tough than before...but I keep getting an error similar to this: http://webdesign.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/corel-l/299079 |
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| 13:18.27 | goil | please giv me link to main contrib non-free mirror |
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| 13:18.41 | bbrazil | goil: apt-setup |
| 13:19.07 | goil | for sarge distrib |
| 13:19.11 | goil | thnx |
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| 13:19.13 | weissi | where are the .configs on ftp.debian.org ??? |
| 13:19.18 | SimonRaven | thanks for the k-line :) |
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| 13:19.26 | bbrazil | weissi: try /boot |
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| 13:19.47 | bbrazil | weissi: otherwise grab a kernel.deb extract it and poke |
| 13:19.48 | weissi | at work, no linux at present ;-) |
| 13:20.01 | lestest | what is the name of the tool that try to recover a broken partition table? |
| 13:20.09 | jm_ | gpart |
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| 13:20.11 | Backup | weisse can you help me? |
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| 13:20.27 | bbrazil | weissi: iirc they're in ar format |
| 13:20.32 | bbrazil | (.debs that is) |
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| 13:20.54 | SimonRaven | they are. with a text file or 2 and 2 gzipped tarballs |
| 13:20.56 | lestest | great jm_ |
| 13:21.01 | lestest | thankz :) |
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| 13:21.31 | weissi | ok, does anybody know if acpi is compiled in as a module or in the kernel in std sarge kernel?? |
| 13:21.37 | jm_ | I was once wondering why dpkg doesn't like my repacked archives, it turned out it wants the text file first |
| 13:21.48 | weissi | Backup: do you have your .config file? |
| 13:22.05 | Backup | were must i search? i am new on linux :) |
| 13:22.10 | weissi | Backup: somewhere in /boot |
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| 13:22.17 | Backup | mom |
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| 13:22.43 | allgood | does anybody knows a package that can find files that aren't owned by any debian package? |
| 13:22.50 | jm_ | yes |
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| 13:23.03 | Backup | config-.... this? |
| 13:23.28 | allgood | what package do this? |
| 13:23.29 | jm_ | cruft |
| 13:23.41 | StylusEater_Work | can anyone help me find a deb pkg for the cloop module? |
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| 13:23.43 | weissi | Backup: yep now do cat config-<kernelversion> | grep ACPI and send the output to #flood |
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| 13:24.03 | jm_ | !tell StylusEater_Work -about search |
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| 13:24.11 | caphuso | StylusEater_Work: cloop-src |
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| 13:25.03 | cryndes | hi |
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| 13:25.15 | cryndes | how do i lists the usb devices? |
| 13:25.20 | jm_ | lsusb |
| 13:25.32 | StylusEater_Work | I know...but I keep getting an error when I use apt-get ...something referring to mmap too small |
| 13:25.38 | allgood | c ya guys |
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| 13:25.43 | cryndes | jm_: thx |
| 13:25.45 | foka | rage: Thanks for the hints! I looked up sshd_config and added "GatewayPorts yes", and now it seems to work! :-) |
| 13:25.45 | StylusEater_Work | dynamic mmap ran out of room |
| 13:25.45 | kioto | hi all |
| 13:25.47 | SerajewelKS | foka: can you configure your firewall to forward the port? |
| 13:25.50 | jm_ | !tell StylusEater_Work -about dynamic mmap |
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| 13:26.06 | cryndes | anyone knows a good howto for wireless over usb? |
| 13:26.20 | foka | rage: Now another question remains: does -g has anything to do with GatewayPorts? How is -g used exactly? I am getting a bit confused. |
| 13:26.21 | SerajewelKS | foka: and out of curiosity, what box are you shelling to? |
| 13:26.21 | foka | Hoho! |
| 13:26.30 | foka | Both Debian boxes. :-) |
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| 13:26.44 | foka | SerajewelKS, both Debian boxes. |
| 13:26.45 | SerajewelKS | foka: i mean what server |
| 13:26.53 | weissi | Backup: modprobe processor |
| 13:26.57 | SerajewelKS | foka: -g allows other computers to connect to locally-forwarded ports |
| 13:27.04 | StylusEater_Work | danke |
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| 13:27.18 | Backup | i got no massage :) |
| 13:27.20 | SerajewelKS | foka: the default when using -L is to bind to 127.0.0.1 locally; with -g it binds to 0.0.0.0 |
| 13:27.24 | weissi | Backup: modprobe processor |
| 13:27.31 | Backup | klas:/boot# modprobe processor |
| 13:27.31 | Backup | klas:/boot# |
| 13:27.39 | rss | hi, a woody has been infected with some variant of rst worm |
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| 13:27.45 | foka | SerajewelKS: Any server. I was playing with foka.ipq.com.cn:1080. :-) |
| 13:28.03 | SerajewelKS | foka: so if you're using -L to access a private service you don't want -g, but if you want to forward other people's traffic to a public server, you use -g |
| 13:28.09 | SerajewelKS | foka: ah |
| 13:28.17 | weissi | Backup: now search for a directory called processor and/or thermal_zone somewhere under /proc/acpi |
| 13:28.26 | rss | my friend had encountered a similar situation and had used a C file to remove that worm... any idea where will I find it |
| 13:28.28 | SerajewelKS | foka: i don't think t affects -R |
| 13:28.31 | rss | I tried googling |
| 13:28.37 | SerajewelKS | foka: nope it doesn't |
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| 13:29.15 | foka | SerajewelKS, Thanks for the explanation! I have been wondering about it for quite some time. :-) |
| 13:29.15 | nvz | for a minute there I thought they legalized murder.. said a guy got 7 years for having his mother in the freezer. But I guess he didnt kill her. shit for 7 years, you might as well just give me 21, and I'll go rub out 3 people I dont like.. |
| 13:29.17 | rss | I found only some silly proprietary scanners, no real removal program for rst.b or rst.a or any other ssh worms |
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| 13:29.29 | weissi | Backup: try cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
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| 13:29.37 | SerajewelKS | foka: yeah and i've been *looking* for it for some time.. thanks for helping me find it =) |
| 13:29.52 | SerajewelKS | foka: i've seen the option in putty.. wasn't sure if ssh had a similar one |
| 13:29.53 | Backup | unter proc is no direktory apci |
| 13:30.02 | Backup | oh mom |
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| 13:30.23 | foka | SerajewelKS, hehe, what did I help? |
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| 13:30.35 | SerajewelKS | foka: i didn't know -g existed |
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| 13:30.40 | foka | SerajewelKS, Hoho! |
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| 13:31.00 | foka | SerajewelKS, Thanks! I thought you knew about -g before I did, because you explained it much better than the openssh man page does. :-D |
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| 13:31.15 | SerajewelKS | foka: naw, i just know how to read manpages :> |
| 13:31.16 | weissi | Backup: sure??? |
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| 13:31.47 | SerajewelKS | foka: i mean i know how to *interpret* manpages |
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| 13:31.57 | foka | SerajewelKS, Cool! :-) |
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| 13:33.46 | SerajewelKS | i figured out yesterday what about linux makes me love it so much |
| 13:33.53 | SerajewelKS | i mean there are several things |
| 13:33.57 | Fleck | anyone uses ogle? i have sound but no picture ;( |
| 13:34.01 | SerajewelKS | but the one thing that does it |
| 13:34.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 13:34.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.104.135.197] by asuffield |
| 13:34.12 | rss | any one aware of rst.b worm, here? |
| 13:34.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.102.146.58] by asuffield |
| 13:34.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 13:34.26 | SerajewelKS | is that when i turn on my computer and it boots, i know exactly what is going on behind the scenes |
| 13:34.31 | SerajewelKS | asuffield: thanks |
| 13:34.36 | weissi | Backup: ? |
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| 13:34.52 | foka | SerajewelKS, Great stuff! You know Linux inside out. :-) |
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| 13:35.05 | SerajewelKS | asuffield: 85.*? |
| 13:35.16 | SerajewelKS | foka: well.. i know it better than i know windows |
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| 13:35.27 | Backup | weissi |
| 13:35.28 | Backup | sorry |
| 13:35.32 | SerajewelKS | foka: windows magically comes up... i can't stand a system that is based solely on a GUI |
| 13:35.34 | Kerr | asuffield: why the bans? |
| 13:35.41 | SerajewelKS | foka: it's a lot harder to tell what's going on |
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| 13:35.47 | SerajewelKS | asuffield: joinspamming |
| 13:35.48 | Backup | my girlfrind colled me by phone.. she is ill and i had to go out to understand her... |
| 13:35.50 | asuffield | turkey. we can live without them for a while |
| 13:35.51 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 13:35.51 | foka | SerajewelKS, You got that right. :-) |
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| 13:35.53 | Backup | nw i am back |
| 13:35.54 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: joinspamming |
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| 13:36.03 | nvz | oh great.. I hear critters in my wall |
| 13:36.08 | canis_sud | hi everybody, someone knows how to autheticate ubunto into w2k3 AD???? |
| 13:36.09 | weissi | Backup: ah ok... |
| 13:36.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.9*.*.*] by asuffield |
| 13:36.09 | Kerr | /ignore #debian joins parts |
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| 13:36.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.10*.*.*] by asuffield |
| 13:36.20 | Kerr | why bother? |
| 13:36.23 | Backup | kan we go into another room? #backup ? |
| 13:36.38 | asuffield | get sick of seeing all the same numbers on my screen |
| 13:36.44 | nvz | heh |
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| 13:36.50 | nvz | 2 |
| 13:36.52 | weissi | Backup: if you want to, ok to #backup |
| 13:36.53 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 13:36.54 | nvz | 2 |
| 13:36.57 | nvz | .. heh |
| 13:37.07 | rss | it is a bot |
| 13:37.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 13:37.08 | jeanjacques | is there someone using ISPconfig ? |
| 13:37.23 | SimonRaven | @asuffield++ |
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| 13:37.52 | Kerr | don't see the point in banning personaly, when the problem will just reoccur anyway, and a quick ignore renders it innefective. |
| 13:38.29 | asuffield | that construct expands to "I don't see the point in breathing because you're going to die anyway". it's broken :P |
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| 13:39.14 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: yeah let's ignore rapists too |
| 13:39.24 | nvz | I think asuffield is somewhere between a wigwam and a teepee |
| 13:39.44 | rss | shut up about it now |
| 13:39.47 | nvz | two tents (too tense) |
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| 13:40.02 | Kerr | hmm? |
| 13:40.07 | loxley_ | canis_sud: you should probably look into ldap |
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| 13:40.13 | azeem | nvz: clever |
| 13:40.19 | nvz | heh |
| 13:40.27 | SimonRaven | *groan* |
| 13:40.30 | Kerr | I don't see where /ignore can equate to death.. |
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| 13:40.50 | nvz | I say that all the time. its like between a rock and a hard place.. when you are aggrivated you are between a wigwam and a teepee afaic |
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| 13:41.00 | bam | how about... it'd be nice to see joins/parts without having to see those |
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| 13:41.13 | SimonRaven | it's spelled tipi, FYI, but that's cool |
| 13:41.13 | ChrisW | is there anything I can do to get bash to only keep unique commands in its history? |
| 13:41.13 | StylusEater_Work | !tell StylusEater_Work -about not found in PATH |
| 13:41.15 | rss | You people are now more irritating than that dumb bot |
| 13:41.15 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: it's flawed logic. "he didn't do something *too* bad" |
| 13:41.21 | SerajewelKS | bam? |
| 13:41.24 | SerajewelKS | bam: that you? |
| 13:41.26 | StylusEater_Work | doh |
| 13:41.29 | bbrazil | ChrisW: yes, check the manpage |
| 13:41.31 | nvz | SimonRaven: really? |
| 13:41.34 | Kerr | bam: how about the drones have access to more ip's than the banlist can hold? |
| 13:41.37 | SimonRaven | bam that you can get your client to do on its own |
| 13:41.38 | bam | well, i'm a bam :) do i know you? |
| 13:41.38 | StylusEater_Work | anyone heard of the update-rc.d not found in PATH error? |
| 13:41.42 | SimonRaven | nvz: yeh |
| 13:41.47 | azeem | there's also bam@debian.org |
| 13:41.49 | StylusEater_Work | I'm starting to feel like a broken record |
| 13:41.50 | SerajewelKS | bam: possibly |
| 13:41.58 | bam | oh, i'm not bam@debian.org |
| 13:42.00 | nvz | SimonRaven: I must be more yinzer than indian.. or its a more dominant trait :P |
| 13:42.07 | bbrazil | bam: peters has a script for irssi to do that |
| 13:42.09 | ChrisW | bbrazil: hurm, what am I looking for? :-S |
| 13:42.17 | bbrazil | ChrisW: histcontrol or something |
| 13:42.19 | SimonRaven | StylusEater_Work: fix your PATH and be done with it... |
| 13:42.24 | bam | do i'd have to use irssi? |
| 13:42.29 | SimonRaven | nvz: hehe |
| 13:42.29 | bam | er, so i'd have to use irssi? |
| 13:42.35 | peterS | bam: unless you want to port my script to your own client (: |
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| 13:42.44 | bam | i'd rather just see the ban |
| 13:42.54 | SimonRaven | speaking of... |
| 13:42.56 | Kerr | O.O |
| 13:43.06 | bam | everybody quiet, we're annoying rss |
| 13:43.10 | SerajewelKS | bam: thegrinder.ws? |
| 13:43.11 | rss | no |
| 13:43.14 | Kerr | there are people who /don't/ use irssi? |
| 13:43.22 | nvz | boss said I smell like herb. I guess its time to wash my jacket.. heh I was at my buddy's house yesturday and you could smell the reefer when you walked through the door |
| 13:43.24 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 13:43.29 | bam | SerajewelKS, not familiar with that |
| 13:43.32 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 13:43.33 | nvz | I've had that coat for a few months and not washed it yet |
| 13:43.35 | StylusEater_Work | SimonRaven: I can't even find update-rc.d on my box...and my PATH is correct |
| 13:43.35 | bbrazil | Kerr: yes, a few. converted one in here last weekend :) |
| 13:43.42 | SerajewelKS | bam: ok then you're not the bam i'm thinking of |
| 13:43.42 | Kerr | bbrazil: win |
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| 13:43.50 | StylusEater_Work | echo `$PATH` gives me the right locations... |
| 13:43.55 | ChrisW | bbrazil: it looks like you put & in your HISTIGNORE variable |
| 13:43.58 | Kerr | !win bbrazil |
| 13:43.59 | ChrisW | but it's not clear :-S |
| 13:44.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, bbrazil! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:44.04 | StylusEater_Work | I've done an apt-get -f install too |
| 13:44.05 | Kerr | :D |
| 13:44.05 | StylusEater_Work | and it fails |
| 13:44.46 | SimonRaven | StylusEater_Work: how about which update-rc.d? your install is fucked (probably just sysv-rc or whatever it's called) |
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| 13:45.26 | SimonRaven | --reinstall should fix it |
| 13:45.39 | StylusEater_Work | well I did a dpkg -l sysv-rc and I get nothing in return... "No packages found matching..." and I did a dpkg -l file-rc and I get a Status Half-Installed |
| 13:45.55 | SimonRaven | then fix it |
| 13:46.09 | SimonRaven | either one, not both |
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| 13:47.41 | StylusEater_Work | apt-get --reinstall sysv-rc ? |
| 13:47.52 | StylusEater_Work | reinstall is coming up as an invalid option... |
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| 13:48.04 | Porks | hi |
| 13:48.12 | StylusEater_Work | hey Porks |
| 13:48.15 | SimonRaven | it's an option to 'install'. RTFM |
| 13:48.15 | Porks | :) |
| 13:48.43 | Porks | do somebody install debian on a PA 827? |
| 13:48.54 | Porks | *did :P |
| 13:49.15 | Porks | hehee... ahm |
| 13:49.30 | Porks | http://www.parisc-linux.org/ |
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| 13:49.59 | jm_ | just 712-80 here |
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| 13:50.08 | zOap_ | Can more than one group have write and or read rights to a file/folder? |
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| 13:50.33 | Porks | it's an olddd machine |
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| 13:50.44 | bbrazil | zOap_: yes - acls. setfacl, requires filesystem support |
| 13:50.46 | SimonRaven | using FS ACLs you can |
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| 13:51.09 | zOap_ | thanks guys:) |
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| 13:52.50 | Brian_L | Porks: It's a beast :) |
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| 13:53.38 | SerajewelKS | !ops 81.213.194.113, 82.114.168.68 are joinspamming |
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| 13:53.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: 81.213.194.113, 82.114.168.68 are joinspamming |
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| 13:54.05 | SerajewelKS | or the latter one at least |
| 13:55.11 | valdyn_ | StylusEater_Work: run apt-get -f install |
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| 13:57.25 | SerajewelKS | probably redhat noobs |
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| 14:00.23 | fireba11 | good think i disabled displayign of join/leave messages |
| 14:00.28 | fireba11 | -k |
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| 14:01.16 | jsldub | does anybody know how i could set a system make option, to have dpkg-buildpackage use make -j3, instead of just the normal make? |
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| 14:03.12 | fernando | hello |
| 14:03.33 | SerajewelKS | !hi |
| 14:03.33 | dpkg | hello, serajewelks |
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| 14:04.19 | fernando | español?? |
| 14:04.30 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 14:04.30 | Ethics | !es |
| 14:04.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:04.32 | fernando | nadie hableça por aqui |
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| 14:05.37 | ralf | fernando: nada |
| 14:05.40 | fernando | nadie habla español??? |
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| 14:05.49 | fernando | ok |
| 14:05.51 | SerajewelKS | fernando: #debian-es |
| 14:05.52 | pitillo | fernando, entra en el canal que te estan diciendo |
| 14:06.06 | fernando | ok... cual |
| 14:06.14 | pitillo | #debian-es |
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| 14:06.20 | fernando | gracias |
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| 14:17.04 | Karat3 | well, how can i reboot my system? if i type reboot the pc freezes after shutdown. |
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| 14:18.11 | fireba11 | Karat3: it should not though |
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| 14:18.58 | Karat3 | but it does |
| 14:19.16 | fireba11 | Karat3: anythign in the logfiles? |
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| 14:20.01 | Karat3 | fireba11: i dont think so, the shutdown is fine |
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| 14:20.13 | Karat3 | shutdown -h now works fine |
| 14:20.19 | jeanjacques | how couls i kill all bind instances ? |
| 14:20.46 | marl_mobile | can anyone give me some help with dpkg-buildpackage? im trying to .deb a program and i cant quite get my head around the config line in the debian/rules file, in it it referances \$${prefix} where does it get that from? and how would i use that var to allow me to force the package to /opt/custom/ ? for the normal configure i want to change the --prefix to point to /opt/custom instead of /usr etc. |
| 14:20.54 | stew | jeanjacques: use pkill or killall |
| 14:20.58 | fireba11 | Karat3: does it dhut down completely and just not reboot then ? |
| 14:21.35 | jeanjacques | stew: ok something like killall bind ? |
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| 14:21.48 | Karat3 | somehow, whatever the pc cooler keeps running |
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| 14:24.01 | jah | hello! |
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| 14:25.56 | valdyn_ | jeanjacques: have you even tried '/etc/init.d/bind stop' ? |
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| 14:26.27 | jeanjacques | valdyn_: yep thank you i resolved in doing ps -aux|grep bind and after a kill pid |
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| 14:27.46 | eleftherios | hm, sound does not work all of a sudden on my machine |
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| 14:28.05 | fireba11 | Karat3: hmm .. shutdown -h works ? |
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| 14:30.21 | prog | i have little question; how can I bind proftpd to 127.0.0.1 socket ? Directive Bind is sayed to be deprecated, DefaultAddress is ignored. |
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| 14:34.08 | jm_ | prog: is it started from inetd? |
| 14:34.34 | Karat3 | fireba11: yes, no ptoblem |
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| 14:35.06 | prog | jm_: thank you for reply; no its standalone - is it problem ? |
| 14:35.34 | fireba11 | Karat3: now thats wired |
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| 14:36.34 | jm_ | prog: no, I was just asking, Bind should work according to the documentation |
| 14:36.48 | Karat3 | fireba11: probably it's a little incompatibility between kernel and mainboard? |
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| 14:37.12 | fireba11 | Karat3: sounds like a acpi problem if you ask me .. tried to google ? |
| 14:37.23 | prog | jm_: yes it should, but "Bind 127.0.0.1" doesn`t work :-( |
| 14:37.30 | stew | can inetd even handle udp connections? |
| 14:37.55 | asg | stew: yes |
| 14:37.57 | prog | stew, yes |
| 14:38.00 | jm_ | prog: make sure it's in the right section |
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| 14:38.28 | prog | jm_, its put in global section |
| 14:39.16 | jm_ | prog: and the problem is what exactly? |
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| 14:39.32 | scree | hallo zusammen |
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| 14:42.04 | redguy|work | is there any particular reason why sarge netinstall cd might hang when trying to mount /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 ? I'm trying to install on a HP vectra PIII box |
| 14:42.42 | bizkit | hello, any suggestions for a console icq (!) client? except centericq which i've used for a long time now.. perhaps there's another? |
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| 14:42.53 | atidem | hello |
| 14:43.06 | petemc | bizkit: bitlbee |
| 14:43.09 | nvz | bah mplayer is the only thing I can get to render video, its using x11.. xine, vlc.. etc dont seem to have x11 and sdl,xvid,xv dont seem to work. |
| 14:43.11 | petemc | i think does icq.. |
| 14:43.17 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.19 | bizkit | petemc: i've used this, too |
| 14:43.21 | atidem | when I launch linux console |
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| 14:43.42 | atidem | I receive this message: Font `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found |
| 14:43.51 | atidem | what package do I need? |
| 14:43.54 | Justin | nvz: xine calls it xvshm |
| 14:44.07 | lunitik | atidem: just change the font... |
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| 14:44.13 | atidem | I did it |
| 14:44.15 | Justin | nvz: er, xshm i think |
| 14:44.17 | atidem | but doesnt work |
| 14:44.28 | lunitik | atidem: no you didn't... |
| 14:44.29 | scree | some german people here? |
| 14:44.36 | stew | !de |
| 14:44.36 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:44.39 | atidem | lunitik: I did |
| 14:44.46 | lunitik | :/ |
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| 14:45.06 | atidem | Settings-Font-Custom-etc |
| 14:45.09 | atidem | then I saved |
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| 14:45.18 | nvz | Justin: ah. I wonder wtf it chooses one that doesnt work on auto :P I tried the only 3 I thought would work and got diagonal lines.. now I see the xine logo |
| 14:45.43 | atidem | anyone can give me an advice? |
| 14:45.59 | atidem | I readed /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font |
| 14:46.03 | atidem | but doesnt help |
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| 14:46.26 | SerajewelKS | !ask to ask |
| 14:46.27 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're usure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 14:46.32 | lunitik | atidem: dude... settings > configure konsole... CHANGE THE FONT!!! |
| 14:47.11 | atidem | lunitik: I not stupid, be cool |
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| 14:47.24 | atidem | I TOLD you that I DID IT |
| 14:47.30 | atidem | *am |
| 14:47.51 | lunitik | atidem: umm... dude, thats how you fix the issue... so I beg to differ... |
| 14:47.59 | nekostar | goin to that dam work thing >_< |
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| 14:48.24 | Skrotto | atidem: try apt-get install console-data console-terminus console-tools |
| 14:48.41 | atidem | Skrotto: did it too |
| 14:48.43 | atidem | .. |
| 14:48.46 | Skrotto | ah |
| 14:48.46 | lunitik | Skrotto: konsole... not console... KDE console.... |
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| 14:48.57 | Skrotto | sorry :() |
| 14:48.57 | atidem | lunitik: LINUX CONSOLE |
| 14:48.59 | atidem | not KONSOLE |
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| 14:49.11 | atidem | it's not the same |
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| 14:49.23 | lunitik | atidem I readed /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font < Why the hell you say that then? |
| 14:50.06 | atidem | coz the message that I receive tell me do it |
| 14:50.13 | lunitik | atidem: dpkg-reconfigure console-common and change the font? |
| 14:50.27 | atidem | lunitik: done |
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| 14:50.51 | lunitik | atidem: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set to a lower priority... then try again? |
| 14:50.58 | atidem | ok wait |
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| 14:51.43 | redguy|work | While mounting, the installer spins the disc for a sec. Nothing happens for a while and then the box freezes. ps on the second console shows that mount is waiting for IO (D state). Buggy IDE controller? |
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| 14:52.58 | doub | hi there |
| 14:53.11 | redguy|work | boot parameters like noapic, acpi=off, no lapic don't seem to affect this |
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| 14:53.24 | redguy|work | s/no lapic/nolapic/ |
| 14:53.27 | atidem | lunitik: no |
| 14:53.32 | atidem | it doesnt work |
| 14:53.40 | atidem | it's really strange |
| 14:53.59 | atidem | which package contains that font? |
| 14:54.01 | matlads | Ive got a usb-cdrom from HP (HP Model: CD-Writer+ CD-4e Rev: 0001) but I cant get my kernel to recognise it. Any one knows how to help me get it recognised? |
| 14:54.16 | Catch`CoNdA | Can anyone tell me how to format a disk to ext3, I cant seem to find it on google, i need to format the disk, and so use makefs ext3 .. when I do this, I cant mount it.. I get some kind of error |
| 14:54.46 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda* |
| 14:54.52 | matlads | Catch`CoNdA: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda |
| 14:55.00 | linux_manju | wher * is ur p[artition |
| 14:55.01 | matlads | Oops |
| 14:55.12 | Catch`CoNdA | im really sure I did that, dident want to mount |
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| 14:55.35 | Catch`CoNdA | maybe I did the partiton wrong? |
| 14:55.45 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: what do ya mean by didn want to mount |
| 14:55.55 | linux_manju | you cant run on a mouted partition |
| 14:56.02 | Catch`CoNdA | I am going to use it for warez, so I only need one big partition. How should I do that? |
| 14:56.05 | linux_manju | you cant run it on a mouted partition |
| 14:56.07 | redguy|work | Catch`CoNdA: what was the error message then? |
| 14:56.14 | atidem | well, have a nice day folks |
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| 14:56.21 | Catch`CoNdA | manju: after I made it into ext3, I got an error if I tried to mount it |
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| 14:56.58 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: prepare the partition with fdisk ... then mkfs -t ext3 /dev/urparti |
| 14:57.21 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: what was the error message? |
| 14:57.34 | Catch`CoNdA | Yeah, manju.. how should I do that. I only want one big partition - it is a 120 disk |
| 14:57.57 | Rawplayer | is there any version for chattr to use with reiserfs? |
| 14:58.16 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: will it be runnin the root parti as well? |
| 14:58.31 | Catch`CoNdA | no |
| 14:58.43 | Catch`CoNdA | It is a second HD |
| 14:58.49 | linux_manju | fine.. then its easy... |
| 14:59.08 | loxley_ | matlads: and you are sure you have support for regular usb stuff? like ehci ohci ? |
| 14:59.14 | linux_manju | run lvm |
| 14:59.36 | linux_manju | make partitions.. and create a single Physical volume |
| 14:59.50 | linux_manju | then a logical volume inside that |
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| 15:00.17 | Catch`CoNdA | lvm, is that a program? |
| 15:00.33 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: its logical volume manager |
| 15:00.42 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: google it.. its gr8 |
| 15:00.51 | Catch`CoNdA | can do |
| 15:01.07 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: you can extend the partition size without loosing any data |
| 15:01.19 | linux_manju | across the hard disks |
| 15:01.21 | Catch`CoNdA | I appreciate you helping me here, thanks man |
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| 15:01.30 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: np :) |
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| 15:01.41 | linux_manju | Catch`CoNdA: anything for warez ;) |
| 15:01.52 | Catch`CoNdA | hehe ;) |
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| 15:05.42 | redguy|work | come on, nobody encountered this before?? |
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| 15:08.10 | Catch`CoNdA | manju: should I do "pvcreate /dev/hdb" and then "lvcreate /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdb" or ? |
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| 15:08.36 | bbrazil | Catch`CoNdA: pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate |
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| 15:08.40 | Catch`CoNdA | I tried now, it said first that it was sucessfull, when I did lvcreate I didnt recieve any output |
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| 15:08.44 | Catch`CoNdA | alrite |
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| 15:10.25 | konfuzed | hey there, im trying to apt-get an unstable debian package but I cant find any reference on how to specify the unstable branch |
| 15:10.33 | konfuzed | how do I do that? |
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| 15:10.41 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: you dont do that at all |
| 15:10.47 | FalscherHase | konfuzed: apt-get package/unstable |
| 15:10.55 | petemc | or -t unstable |
| 15:10.56 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:11.01 | qwerty | Hi, What is responsible for creating "/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator"? (it doesn't exist but /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator does..) |
| 15:11.26 | cheal | !tell konfuzed about esm |
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| 15:12.06 | d3x7r0 | can anyone help me getting kdevelop into testing? :S |
| 15:12.23 | cheal | d3x7r0: maybe #debian-kde |
| 15:12.30 | d3x7r0 | thanks |
| 15:13.22 | konfuzed | excellent - several options ;^) |
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| 15:14.40 | _SerhaT_ | hmm I got my laptop to work with a 2.4 kernel.. 2.6 couldn't find my cdrom drive :|.. anyway after installing the 2.6 kernel after the setup I get a kernel panic something about init getting killed.. kernel 2.4 boots but spams HD errors every 5-10 seconds..? |
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| 15:17.18 | J_P | hey have anyone kernel-image backport >= 2.6.11 for debian sarge ? |
| 15:17.35 | Catch`CoNdA | manju, you have to assist me.. I googled.. instead I found a way with the cfdisk - but now when I tried to mount it, it gave me the error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, |
| 15:18.01 | Catch`CoNdA | instead of finding a guide on the lvm, which I have apt-got |
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| 15:20.51 | appat | salut |
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| 15:21.17 | sn00p | i'm downloaded something with firefox in linux debian and i'm trying to find where it saved but it said in the preferenecs save downloads on desktop where does it go? |
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| 15:21.27 | Catch`CoNdA | ah!! there she goes! :D |
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| 15:21.40 | Catch`CoNdA | but whats up.. Why is 6 gb missing of the hd ? |
| 15:21.46 | snull | sn00p: look in your $HOME |
| 15:21.54 | sn00p | I did |
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| 15:22.00 | sn00p | snull you mean /home/sn00P/ |
| 15:22.09 | snull | yes |
| 15:22.21 | snull | sn00p: or use find |
| 15:22.37 | sn00p | How do you use find |
| 15:22.57 | stew | sn00p: info find |
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| 15:23.57 | redguy|work | hrm seems that the cdrom was the problem |
| 15:23.59 | WoodyWoodpecker | Does cron have to run so that anacron works ? |
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| 15:24.23 | |V\oNK | hello |
| 15:24.42 | dimir | |-|3|_|_0 |
| 15:24.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^ hi |
| 15:25.16 | |V\oNK | i was hoping someone could answer a question for me... |
| 15:25.42 | skiflyer | can someone help me interpret the lft output I pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1158 |
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| 15:25.57 | stew | |V\oNK: we can't until you ask one |
| 15:26.02 | skiflyer | basically a telnet <host> 587 is not getting through, so I was told to lft it, but I don't understand what lft is saying |
| 15:26.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | _SerhaT_ : If you could send me your .config file I could maybe say why your 2.6 kernel doesn`t work properly |
| 15:26.24 | |V\oNK | im using Xandros which is based on debian.. and i can apt-get install xchat, but i get version 2.4.1, the newest xchat version is 2.6.0... |
| 15:26.30 | redguy|work | !xandros |
| 15:26.31 | dpkg | somebody said xandros was a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 15:26.44 | stew | |V\oNK: ask in #xandros |
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| 15:26.51 | lish | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.11 | |V\oNK | fair enough thx |
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| 15:27.45 | redguy|work | hrm, the xandros factoid seems offensive |
| 15:27.55 | |V\oNK | it does |
| 15:27.59 | thingfish | yeah, it's a little harsh maybe. |
| 15:28.27 | |V\oNK | if i ran apt-get install xchat in debian what version would i get? |
| 15:28.44 | thingfish | it would depend on which version of debian you were running. |
| 15:29.18 | thingfish | 2.4.1 with sarge. |
| 15:29.20 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: what .config file are we talking about here?? |
| 15:29.21 | redguy|work | |V\oNK: 2.4.1 :-) |
| 15:29.23 | |V\oNK | 2.6.0? or would it be 2.4.1 i *think* i read some where that it only gets updated when there is a security fix |
| 15:29.30 | WoodyWoodpecker | /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 15:29.32 | gambas | 2.4.5-2 with etch |
| 15:29.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^SerhaT |
| 15:29.58 | thingfish | yes, |V\oNK, the sarge version gets only security updates. |
| 15:29.59 | redguy|work | |V\oNK: that's how debian stable works, yes. Don't have a slightest idea how things are with xandros |
| 15:30.01 | |V\oNK | so thats becuase 2.4.1 had the last security fix correct? |
| 15:30.10 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: it's the config that's default on the testing netinstall |
| 15:30.15 | takatumi | |V\oNK: packages.debian.org/xchat |
| 15:30.22 | skiflyer | |V\oNK: apt-cache showpkg xchat |
| 15:30.30 | thingfish | no, it's because 2.4.1 was the version that got locked in as sarge moved to stable. |
| 15:30.55 | WoodyWoodpecker | Serhat: Depends on what you configured last |
| 15:31.13 | konfuzed | apt-get -t unstable package and apt-get package/unstable both return invalid operation |
| 15:31.40 | thingfish | konfuzed: you need an "install" or "remove" in there. |
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| 15:31.50 | thingfish | konfuzed: as in apt-get install foo |
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| 15:32.00 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: I can't access the HD because of the kernel panic with 2.6.. anyway I got 2.4 on it now.. that works.. just need to get my wlan working now |
| 15:32.02 | thingfish | or apt-get -t unstable install foo |
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| 15:32.26 | trappist | where should I put arbitrary commands to be run at boot time? |
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| 15:32.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Serhat: I just think you configured your .config wrong |
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| 15:33.59 | |V\oNK | yea so... 2.4.5 is the latest thing on packages.debian.org.. |
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| 15:34.25 | FalscherHase | how do i use dpkg-buildpackage with distcc? i can get it to use localhost, but it doesn't use the other hosts, because make isn't run with -j. how do i change that? |
| 15:34.29 | |V\oNK | does that mean there are only minor reasons to spend the time compialing and getting 2.6.0? |
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| 15:35.13 | takatumi | |V\oNK: reading the changelogs usually help. |
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| 15:35.35 | |V\oNK | fair enough |
| 15:35.38 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: so you say I should try to install 2.6 again.. and get the .config file to check right? |
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| 15:36.29 | Tenkawa | s |
| 15:36.31 | Tenkawa | sorry |
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| 15:37.50 | Lee__ | would someone know of a utility that can give a per host bandwidth usage report from a tcpdump file? |
| 15:37.55 | doub | FalscherHase, use "export MAKEFLAGS=-j" |
| 15:38.10 | Fox_1_ | for https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php how i must find advocate? |
| 15:38.18 | FalscherHase | doub: i'll try that, thanks |
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| 15:38.31 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: could the cause be.. that I am running the setup with the 2.4 kernel and when it asks which kernel to install I choose 2.6? |
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| 15:39.23 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 15:39.24 | alekos | hallo |
| 15:39.29 | alekos | any italian? |
| 15:39.33 | thingfish | !it |
| 15:39.37 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:39.38 | thingfish | aack |
| 15:39.43 | thingfish | ok, there it went. |
| 15:39.44 | Vme | anyone know if you can still write/read DVD's in VMWARE with Debian? |
| 15:39.51 | hzwang | hello, everyone |
| 15:40.27 | doub | FalscherHase, well, you can give any make parameter to the MAKEFLAGS environment variable, so i guess that would rather be MAKEFLAGS=-j2 or similar, not just -j. my bad |
| 15:40.43 | FalscherHase | doub: yep |
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| 15:41.32 | hawking | I am trying to install xboard and when I do ./configure it says "xboard requires the X Window System header files and libraries! what packages do i need? |
| 15:41.55 | stew | FalscherHase: man dpkg-buildpackage look for CONCURRENCY_LEVEL or something similar |
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| 15:42.05 | Lee__ | hawking, the xfree86 development packages. does it say what file is missing? |
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| 15:42.20 | hawking | Lee_ No |
| 15:42.21 | loxley_ | hawking: why not apt-get it? |
| 15:42.32 | doub | stew, isn't that make-kpkg specific ? |
| 15:42.33 | stew | hawking: apt-get build-dep xboard |
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| 15:42.45 | stew | doub: oh, it might be |
| 15:42.51 | FalscherHase | doub: yes, i think it is |
| 15:43.02 | Lee__ | hawking, then just install a lot of them that have the word -dev at the end. |
| 15:43.07 | WoodyWoodpecker | _SerhaT_: No, debian doesn`t care witch linux is running. Is just has to be configured and compiled in a right way to work :-) |
| 15:43.17 | usuario_ | ola |
| 15:43.18 | WoodyWoodpecker | Serhat: Just try again from scratch |
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| 15:43.39 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: doing now.. :) |
| 15:43.44 | js_ | whats a good way to administer many debian machines? |
| 15:43.49 | stew | hawking: why aren't using the debian xboard package? |
| 15:43.51 | _SerhaT_ | it's installing the base system atm |
| 15:43.56 | usuario_ | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:44.05 | thingfish | *plonk |
| 15:44.05 | doub | stew, the result of Mr Xu's control-freakyness, i guess ;) |
| 15:44.07 | js_ | say i have 20 machines and want to apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade them all withouth aving to log on to each one |
| 15:44.07 | stew | !es |
| 15:44.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:44.19 | usuario_ | hablar |
| 15:44.25 | stew | js_: look at dsh and clusterssh |
| 15:44.45 | js_ | stew: thanks |
| 15:44.51 | Bob332 | does anyone know when debian is going to release the 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 kernels |
| 15:44.52 | Bob332 | ? |
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| 15:44.57 | stew | Bob332: never |
| 15:45.00 | Tenkawa | Bob332: none |
| 15:45.01 | thingfish | Bob332: never |
| 15:45.12 | stew | Bob332: there is no reason now that we have 2.6.12 and 2.6.14 |
| 15:45.14 | usuario_ | aqui se habla en español |
| 15:45.22 | stew | !tell usuario_ about es |
| 15:45.32 | thingfish | usuario_: vaya al #debian-es |
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| 15:45.46 | Bob332 | stew, Tenkawa , thingfish .....ok so how can i download thaat 2.6.12 kernel..when i do an apt-get install kernel, i dont see any .12 or .14 |
| 15:45.49 | usuario_ | ola loca |
| 15:45.50 | hzwang | hi, will gstreamer-pitfdll be packed in future? |
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| 15:45.59 | Tenkawa | Bob332: you go to kernel.org and get it |
| 15:46.05 | stew | Bob332: what version of debian? |
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| 15:46.19 | loca | hola usuario |
| 15:46.23 | Bob332 | stew, sarge netinstall 3.1 r0a |
| 15:46.28 | lish | 2.6.24 may appear in sid |
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| 15:46.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:46.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:46.50 | loca | hola como estas usuario |
| 15:46.57 | stew | Bob332: new packages are never released for stable |
| 15:47.08 | stew | !tell loca about es |
| 15:47.08 | abrotman | loca: no habla espanol aqui .. va a #debian-es |
| 15:47.13 | thingfish | you guys, go to #debian-es if you wish to converse in spanish. |
| 15:47.22 | abrotman | someday .. i'll actually learn spanish :) |
| 15:47.24 | usuario_ | hablar en españollllllllllllllllllllllll |
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| 15:47.28 | thingfish | you've been told several times now. |
| 15:47.31 | usuario_ | ok |
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| 15:47.42 | snull | usuario_: en este canal se habla inglés, entra en #debian-es |
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| 15:47.49 | stew | !tell snull about es |
| 15:48.02 | abrotman | stew: he was telling them we speak english here and to go to #debian-es :) |
| 15:48.05 | hzwang | linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 is in testing and 2.6.14 is in unstable |
| 15:48.08 | Bob332 | stew, Tenkawa, so for sid i will never be able to install the newer 2.6.12 kernel the debian way |
| 15:48.24 | macarena | hola soy cristina |
| 15:48.28 | stew | Bob332: for sid you could download and install the etch pacakge |
| 15:48.37 | stew | !tell macarena about es |
| 15:48.39 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: okay done.. it's giving ma e.. /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file .. followed by a kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 15:48.45 | thingfish | I say, if people want to ask questions in another language, fine. But we (or I, for one) reserve the right to respond to your question in a language of our choosing, which may or may not be intelligible to you. |
| 15:48.48 | Tenkawa | 2.6.14 is in unstable I know |
| 15:49.10 | WoodyWoodpecker | You have to create /dev/console |
| 15:49.11 | abrotman | stew: this must be what texas feels like |
| 15:49.16 | tarzeau | how to backup 15 TB ? |
| 15:49.18 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 15:49.22 | doub | by the way, how come the 2.6.8 kernel has made its way through to sarge? it has several very annoying bugs |
| 15:49.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: with a 15TB tape drive |
| 15:49.28 | tarzeau | is there some tool to distribute data redundant onto two machines each? |
| 15:49.33 | WoodyWoodpecker | mknod /dev/console c 5 1 |
| 15:49.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: what if you scale it up, to say 40 TB? |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: i was gonna write one! |
| 15:49.45 | wouterrr | hum in debian bind9 starts only once |
| 15:49.46 | Bob332 | stew, so how would i do that.....add the unstable line to apt sources.list?? |
| 15:49.47 | wouterrr | how can i change this? |
| 15:49.50 | wouterrr | i need 4 instances.... |
| 15:49.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm mjust checking total diskspace on all workstation machines here... (takes some time for 150 boxen) |
| 15:50.04 | Tenkawa | tarzeau: very carefully |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: i wanted to write a something that would let you use freespace on workstations .. and make it redundant .. |
| 15:50.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | SerhaT: Whenever something is not there, create a file or directory |
| 15:50.13 | stew | Bob332: for a sid machine or a sarge machine? |
| 15:50.25 | Bob332 | stew, sarge..... |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | (note: this only works if machines are on all the time) |
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| 15:50.28 | Bob332 | i am running sarge |
| 15:50.33 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: err how? I mean shouldn't the install have done that for me? if not should I do it via a the debian cd by going to a shell and chroot into the proper / ? |
| 15:50.38 | Ungy | abrotman, sounds pretty spiffy how you think to work that |
| 15:50.42 | Bob332 | stew, sid machine =etch right? |
| 15:50.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Serhat: No |
| 15:50.54 | abrotman | Ungy: i have no idea .. i just have good ideas .. i don't implement them :) |
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| 15:50.58 | linux_manju | why do i need two DVDs for 3.1 ? |
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| 15:51.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | The install or whatever you think it is, _only_ create a kernel image for you |
| 15:51.06 | thingfish | Bob332: do you really need it? One shouldn't mix sarge with etch or sid. |
| 15:51.08 | stew | Bob332: don't add unstable lines to your sarge(=stable) machine |
| 15:51.13 | abrotman | linux_manju: you don't really .. if you have broadband |
| 15:51.13 | Ungy | abrotman, That would be cool but I don;t think it would work |
| 15:51.15 | redguy|work | linux_manju: you don't |
| 15:51.17 | stew | Bob332: etch=testing sid=unstable |
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| 15:51.30 | abrotman | Ungy: why not? |
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| 15:51.32 | Ungy | abrotman, what would happen if some joker decided to start downloading mass pron |
| 15:51.34 | linux_manju | abrotman: well... I have to install it on 10 diff PCs |
| 15:51.39 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: the best thing to do is.. when it installs the kernel etc.. change tot he console and add that device? right? |
| 15:51.40 | abrotman | Ungy: and what about it ? |
| 15:51.43 | Tenkawa | Bob332: unless you _really_ ned 2.6.14 update to whatever stable+security uses |
| 15:52.20 | abrotman | linux_manju: apt-proxy ? |
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| 15:52.20 | abrotman | linux_manju: FAI ? |
| 15:52.21 | usuario_ | ola |
| 15:52.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | serhat: No, just copy the kernel to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.?? as well as the System.map and configure grub right |
| 15:52.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | Restart and have fun :-) |
| 15:52.21 | abrotman | usuario_: #debian-es |
| 15:52.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: what stopped you? |
| 15:52.21 | Tenkawa | unless you know how o do this by hand you shouldnt be messing with the kernel amyway |
| 15:52.21 | usuario_ | macarena |
| 15:52.21 | caballa | hola primo |
| 15:52.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | serhat: Are you using udev ? |
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| 15:52.21 | caballa | jeufyei |
| 15:52.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: from what ? |
| 15:52.22 | caballa | gg |
| 15:52.22 | Ungy | abrotman, wouldn;t aht tbreak your redundency or woudl you rprogram have to move shit onto another computer while he is taking up the extra space? |
| 15:52.22 | caballa | gg |
| 15:52.22 | caballa | g |
| 15:52.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | Then you don`t even need to create it |
| 15:52.22 | caballa | g |
| 15:52.22 | caballa | g |
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| 15:52.26 | usuario_ | ola |
| 15:52.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | Cause it creates it be itself |
| 15:52.32 | abrotman | usuario_: speak english or go away |
| 15:52.36 | Bob332 | tenkawa,thingfish, stew, ok well all i really want is to get the 2.6.12 kernel so i can get megaraid2 support..so couldnt i just modify my sources , get the kernel, modify the sources back and be good? |
| 15:52.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: writing something to distribute data redundantly on a bunch of workstations |
| 15:52.40 | stew | !ops usuario_ won't stop speaking spanish |
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| 15:52.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: usuario_ won't stop speaking spanish |
| 15:52.43 | mostruos | tu ya as hecho la via positiba |
| 15:52.49 | linux_manju | abrotman: you dont seem to understan my problem... My profession needs me to install it on diff places,,, |
| 15:52.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: because .. i'm stupid ? |
| 15:52.51 | abrotman | !tell mostruos about es |
| 15:53.03 | goodgirl | Hi, I wanted to try debian, but during install I already had a problem cause the SATA hdd wasn't recognized, it's a Thinkpad x41. |
| 15:53.06 | _SerhaT_ | WoodyWoodpecker: I just done a basic netinstall not sure if it installs udev or hotplug or w/e by default.? or can I? |
| 15:53.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok i only have 10TB on the workstations (on the first disk only, i checked) free |
| 15:53.07 | abrotman | linux_manju: different places ? |
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| 15:53.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: no because you are lazy! |
| 15:53.22 | linux_manju | abrotman: all in all ... Its inevitable that i need DVDs or a physical copy |
| 15:53.24 | stew | Bob332: download the 2.6.12 linux-image package from pdo and dpkg -i it, or download 2.6.14 from kernel.org and /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:53.27 | thingfish | goodgirl: did you try the linux26 option at the boot prompt? |
| 15:53.37 | goodgirl | yes, and expert26 , too |
| 15:53.40 | Bob332 | stew, whats pdo? |
| 15:53.40 | thingfish | oh |
| 15:53.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | serhat: Come to #bfa and lets talk |
| 15:53.45 | stew | Bob332: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 15:53.53 | linux_manju | abrotman: my question is can i cramp everything in a single DVD or... not? |
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| 15:53.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: honestly .. i would have no idea how to do that .. you'd need a 'head' to keep track of where the files are .. and someway to make it redundant .. imagine .. a big SAN |
| 15:54.02 | Tenkawa | wow didn't r4ealize the x41 had sata on it |
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| 15:54.04 | abrotman | linux_manju: not even close .. unless you make your own |
| 15:54.16 | linux_manju | abrotman: Ahh.. |
| 15:54.20 | usuario_ | ollllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:54.25 | linux_manju | abrotman: thnx alot |
| 15:54.26 | abrotman | !ops please ban usuario_ |
| 15:54.26 | yate | hola pablo |
| 15:54.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: the problem is we mostly have 100mbit only here... |
| 15:54.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban usuario_ |
| 15:54.27 | linux_manju | :) |
| 15:54.30 | mentor | usuario_: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 15:54.32 | thingfish | where are the ops this morning! |
| 15:54.33 | abrotman | !tell yate about es |
| 15:54.34 | Tenkawa | usuario_: would you chill |
| 15:54.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: except for the servers with gbit only |
| 15:54.38 | mostruos | tu ya as hecho lavia positiva |
| 15:54.38 | thingfish | oh there's one. |
| 15:54.40 | usuario_ | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:54.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: and harddisks are slow too |
| 15:54.42 | mentor | thingfish: In different timezone :) |
| 15:54.43 | abrotman | thingfish: where are they every day ... |
| 15:54.45 | stew | there are never ops around this time of the day |
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| 15:54.52 | stew | nm |
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| 15:54.55 | thingfish | yay! for mentor! |
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| 15:55.02 | Tenkawa | go mentor!! |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | mentor: don't wander too far |
| 15:55.09 | redguy|work | hooray! |
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| 15:55.26 | mentor | ah. rima-tde are back |
| 15:55.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's for storage .. not for high-speed storage |
| 15:55.34 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 15:55.47 | Tenkawa | wow a lot of people from that isp |
| 15:56.29 | Ungy | abrotman, ok I see where you are going with this but you would need to monitor each machine right as well as fee space of each machine and you woudl also need to make multiple redundency inf a hard drive crashes |
| 15:56.34 | snull | it's the main isp in Spain |
| 15:56.45 | abrotman | Ungy: monitor for what ? |
| 15:56.46 | sparr | is there a tool to combine two kernel configs, prompting on conflicts? |
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| 15:56.52 | Tenkawa | snull: ahh |
| 15:56.54 | abrotman | Ungy: i said i would have redundancy |
| 15:56.58 | abrotman | ency |
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| 15:57.10 | mentor | abrotman: DDRaid? |
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| 15:57.17 | thingfish | no, -ancy was right. |
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| 15:57.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: k |
| 15:57.30 | abrotman | mentor: looking |
| 15:57.42 | Ungy | abrotman, I get the redundency part you would have to monitor the machines to see when they are up when they are down and the available space on each |
| 15:57.56 | donkeyboy | how do i install kde on debian? what other packages do i need, or can i just apt-get kde, and all dep will be installed? |
| 15:57.56 | abrotman | see .. mentor found an implementation |
| 15:58.05 | thingfish | donkeyboy: apt-get install kde |
| 15:58.13 | thingfish | and voila |
| 15:58.17 | abrotman | Ungy: firstly .. the machines shouldn't go off .. secondly .. that's what the redundancy is for |
| 15:58.33 | donkeyboy | thingfish: thanks |
| 15:58.41 | thingfish | you're welcome, donkeyboy. |
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| 15:59.13 | thingfish | donkeyboy: that will get you about everything kde has to offer. |
| 15:59.22 | thingfish | plus all the deps etc. |
| 15:59.24 | Ungy | abrotman, redundency can be done at different levels single redundency and up |
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| 15:59.37 | Ungy | abrotman, what happens with hardware failure? |
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| 15:59.48 | abrotman | Ungy: it's redundant ? |
| 16:00.06 | Tenkawa | sweet |
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| 16:00.14 | donkeyboy | thingfish: it told me sorry package broken :-( |
| 16:00.17 | Tenkawa | slashdot ask the mythbusters |
| 16:00.22 | Tenkawa | thats goin to be cool |
| 16:00.27 | Ungy | abrotman, or a machine has to be rebooted so you woudl need to monitor machines to know state and freespace |
| 16:00.29 | thingfish | donkeyboy: you must be using testing then, |
| 16:00.39 | donkeyboy | no only stable |
| 16:00.43 | abrotman | Ungy: yes .. but it's redudant .. |
| 16:01.00 | abrotman | Ungy: ideally .. your data would be mirrored on at least one/two other machines |
| 16:01.21 | mentor | Ungy: The same thing that would happen wiht disk hardware failure in a RAID array. |
| 16:01.24 | thingfish | donkeyboy: do you get similar messages when you try to install anything else? |
| 16:01.30 | abrotman | Ungy: so the 'head' would keep track of which mahcines have that data .. and then if the primary is down .. use the secondary/tertiary |
| 16:01.39 | Ungy | abrotman, yes I am just thinking of what you would want for this |
| 16:01.47 | abrotman | mentor: does ddraid actually stripe ? |
| 16:01.53 | Ungy | mentor yup your right |
| 16:02.04 | donkeyboy | thingfish: nopr |
| 16:02.05 | mentor | abrotman: Yes, I think so. |
| 16:02.12 | Bob332 | stew, i cant find the kernel on pdo |
| 16:02.20 | Ungy | abrotman, sounds like a complex app |
| 16:02.21 | donkeyboy | thingfish: just installed a few things and they worked fine |
| 16:02.35 | mentor | abrotman: It says that performance is incresed for linear loads, and that it never decreases below that of a single array/ |
| 16:02.49 | loca|host | i have a problem installing dovecot on my sarge, i use apt-get -y install dovecot dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d |
| 16:02.52 | loca|host | i says : |
| 16:02.53 | thingfish | donkeyboy: well something is broken, because kde in sarge is of course fully complete and functional. |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | Ungy: imagine a company with 2,000 PCs .. each with 80GB drives .. but only using 10GB locally .. that's .. 70*1,400 .. 140,000 GB you could use |
| 16:03.04 | loca|host | dpkg: error processing dovecot (--configure): |
| 16:03.12 | stew | Bob332: kernel-image got renamed linux-image |
| 16:03.15 | loca|host | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
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| 16:03.22 | thingfish | donkeyboy: what is the exact error message? |
| 16:03.35 | loca|host | dovecot-pop3d depends on dovecot-common (>= 0.99.12-1); however: |
| 16:03.40 | eleftherios | is there a sound configuration howto? I have no sound on my fsckin' laptop |
| 16:03.45 | Ungy | abrotman, the backing up schema could be done with somethign like Amanda |
| 16:03.46 | abrotman | mentor: i was just thinking that it might be easier to duplicate whole files instead of striping across machines .. though admittedly .. loading a stripe is faster than loading a whole file i suppose |
| 16:03.46 | loca|host | Package dovecot-common is not configured yet. |
| 16:03.51 | abrotman | Ungy: it could |
| 16:04.04 | Catch`CoNdA | Alrite, now I have a working hd. ext3 and all. How do I grant my user the rights of the hd? If I try to mount it with options uid=xxx it just says its wrong |
| 16:04.06 | abrotman | Ungy: that was supposed to be 70*2,000 :) |
| 16:04.07 | donkeyboy | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 16:04.31 | Ungy | abrotman, I am interested when are you goign to start |
| 16:04.38 | donkeyboy | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:04.43 | abrotman | Ungy: i don't know nearly enough to do this |
| 16:04.53 | donkeyboy | kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:04.56 | Ungy | abrotman, ahh here you get my hopes up and everything |
| 16:04.58 | donkeyboy | and a whole bunch more |
| 16:05.02 | stew | loca|host: dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:05.03 | mentor | abrotman: Well, given that the data is managed at the block level (it's a devicemapper target) it would be harder because you would have to get file inforamtion fromt he FS |
| 16:05.05 | abrotman | Ungy: this involves a whole level of C that i know nothing about .. |
| 16:05.34 | Ungy | mentor, yes that would require a client on each machine I am thinking |
| 16:05.49 | abrotman | Ungy: yes .. obviously it would |
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| 16:05.59 | abrotman | mentor: harder to store a whole file or a stripe ? |
| 16:06.03 | Bob332 | stew, why did they rename kernel-image to linux-image? |
| 16:06.09 | mentor | abrotman: file |
| 16:06.12 | loca|host | steve, |
| 16:06.13 | abrotman | hurd-image! |
| 16:06.13 | loca|host | stew, |
| 16:06.15 | loca|host | dpkg: error processing dovecot-common (--configure): |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | mentor: i'm not sure .. but it would certainly be slower i think |
| 16:06.26 | loca|host | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 16:06.36 | loca|host | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dovecot-pop3d: |
| 16:06.37 | loca|host | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.38 | abrotman | mentor: this is why i never wrote any docs about it :) |
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| 16:06.59 | mentor | Bob332: Because kernel is a generic term and linux is its name |
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| 16:07.15 | Bob332 | mentor, is linux-image only for 2.6 kernels? |
| 16:07.30 | Bob332 | because when i do an apt-get install linux-image i dont see any 2.4's |
| 16:07.31 | chris___ | where is dpkg? |
| 16:07.56 | mentor | Bob332: possibly |
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| 16:08.25 | chris___ | !w32codecs |
| 16:08.33 | thingfish | chris___: it seems to be snoozing. |
| 16:08.39 | chris___ | oh no |
| 16:08.39 | thingfish | ~w32condecs |
| 16:08.47 | thingfish | aah |
| 16:08.51 | thingfish | ~w32condecs |
| 16:08.54 | Catch`CoNdA | anyone knows? how to give a user write access on a ext3 hd? |
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| 16:08.56 | thingfish | god dammit |
| 16:09.03 | Fox_1_ | xine wrote: xmin: couldn't find demux for >/media/cdrom0/mpegav/avseq01.dat< |
| 16:09.07 | thingfish | ~w32codecs |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg went *poof* |
| 16:09.17 | abrotman | thingfish: marillat ? |
| 16:09.22 | abrotman | @w32codecs |
| 16:09.32 | Fox_1_ | what to do? |
| 16:09.39 | abrotman | @marillat |
| 16:09.43 | thingfish | abrotman: thanks, I was trying to help chris___ out. |
| 16:09.43 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
| 16:09.47 | abrotman | ravenbird: marillat |
| 16:09.54 | chris___ | i got marillat's repository address |
| 16:09.55 | Bob332 | stew, on pdo when i do a search for linux-image i get nothing |
| 16:09.57 | chris___ | thansk |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ |
| 16:10.20 | chris___ | anyone know if oo.org2 is available as a backport for sarge? |
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| 16:10.29 | abrotman | backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 16:10.40 | chris___ | abrotman: are those official? |
| 16:10.57 | abrotman | no |
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| 16:11.14 | stew | Bob332: click on "package names that contain this string" or whatever |
| 16:11.14 | abrotman | if it were official .. it would be available via packages.debian.org :) |
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| 16:11.36 | Bob332 | stew, ok trying, thanks for helping |
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| 16:11.53 | Bob332 | stew, still no hits |
| 16:12.09 | MaxeyPad_ | i have a box that is on testing sarge right now. is there an easy way to move the box over to stable without blowing it up |
| 16:12.17 | MaxeyPad_ | or is this really too risky to do |
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| 16:12.33 | abrotman | MaxeyPad_: sarge is not testing |
| 16:12.41 | stew | Bob332: *sigh*.. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0&searchon=names&version=all&case=insensitive&release=all&keywords=linux-image-2.6&arch=any |
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| 16:14.42 | jmrn | hola |
| 16:14.54 | thingfish | !es |
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| 16:14.59 | thingfish | oh that's right |
| 16:15.00 | jmrn | tengo un gran paquete |
| 16:15.16 | jmrn | se lo he metido a antonio |
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| 16:15.25 | MaxeyPad_ | I know sarge is not testing, but how smooth is an upgrade process from "testing" to sarge |
| 16:15.27 | thingfish | !ops jmrn is being foul in spanish |
| 16:15.32 | chris___ | abrotman: thanks for those backport websites! |
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| 16:15.50 | abrotman | chris___: remember .. they're not official and could break stuff |
| 16:15.51 | chris___ | although they all seem quite outdate |
| 16:15.57 | jmrn | tengo yn gran paquete |
| 16:15.58 | chris___ | abrotman: they're from woody |
| 16:15.59 | abrotman | chris___: which ones ? |
| 16:16.02 | chris___ | both |
| 16:16.09 | abrotman | chris___: ah .. backports.org/pending .. read the news on the front page |
| 16:16.10 | chris___ | or at least for openoffice.org |
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| 16:16.23 | Ungy | Is there a site that lists laptops and there compatability with linux |
| 16:16.32 | abrotman | chris___: i don't know if there is an OO2 package there |
| 16:16.36 | azeem | jmrn: please speak english in here |
| 16:16.36 | abrotman | linux-laptop.net |
| 16:16.49 | Bob332 | stew, what distro did u search that on? testing, unstable?? |
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| 16:16.51 | chris___ | abrotman: sweet...thanks i didn't even see that |
| 16:16.52 | Ungy | just bought my wife a new laptop |
| 16:16.57 | stew | Bob332: all |
| 16:17.04 | Bob332 | stew, i didnt see an all |
| 16:17.05 | abrotman | Ungy: stop bragging |
| 16:17.31 | stew | Bob332: all I did was go to "http://pacakges.debian.org/linux-image-2.6" and then click on the "packages containing the search string" |
| 16:17.38 | Bob332 | stew, i see old-stable, stable, unstable and testing |
| 16:17.48 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
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| 16:17.48 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 16:17.57 | abrotman | !phillysmite Award_ |
| 16:18.02 | Ungy | abrotman, not bragging i am mad I have been wanting a laptop for like 4 years saving up for one always never being able to get it and now I have the money and her job is making her travel everywhere so I had to buy her a laptop and now I am jealous |
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| 16:18.10 | abrotman | Ungy: i meant about having a wife |
| 16:18.11 | donkeyboy | thingfish: seams to work now ?? have no idea why, just finished installing ssh and so thought i would try again, and bobs your aunty it works |
| 16:18.17 | sparr | is there anywhere to see what % of packages build for different archs? |
| 16:18.25 | Ungy | abrotman, ahh well Even jackasses like me get lucky |
| 16:18.27 | sparr | build successfully |
| 16:18.27 | thingfish | great, donkeyboy. |
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| 16:18.46 | donkeyboy | an enigma |
| 16:18.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:18.55 | Ungy | abrotman, but if you notice her needs come first which is probably why I have one ;-P |
| 16:18.58 | donkeyboy | :-d |
| 16:19.10 | abrotman | Ungy: you could get a decent used one |
| 16:19.30 | redloff | hi, I don't have pseudotrasparency option anywhere in multi-gnome-terminal 1.6.2, what could be the problem? |
| 16:19.44 | Ungy | abrotman, I got an Acer it is identical to the Ferrari except intel based |
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| 16:19.45 | thingfish | a decent used wife, you mean? |
| 16:19.48 | azeem | redloff: is multi-gnome-terminal still maintained upstream? |
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| 16:20.03 | redloff | azeem, dunno, why? |
| 16:20.06 | azeem | redloff: I thought it got obsoleted by gnome-terminal's tab feature for a while |
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| 16:20.16 | redloff | ooh |
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| 16:20.42 | chris___ | abrotman: i must be an idiot but i can't figure out how to add the openoffice.org backport from pending |
| 16:20.51 | hcy | hi, anyone know which channel the openoffice guys hang out in? |
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| 16:21.07 | stew | hcy: #openoffice.org and #debian-oo |
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| 16:21.20 | hcy | stew: thanks |
| 16:21.29 | abrotman | chris___: i think it says on the front page ? |
| 16:21.50 | euth | if I start running an Unstable machine, what lists should I be on? debian-devel? |
| 16:21.52 | redloff | azeem, but why should they resign from that feature? |
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| 16:22.02 | azeem | redloff: resign from? |
| 16:22.03 | chris___ | abrotman: i don't think so |
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| 16:22.21 | abrotman | chris___: hrm .. deb http://backports.org/pending openoffice.org ? |
| 16:22.23 | azeem | redloff: all I know is that gnome-terminal is the official, supported, terminal emulator for GNOME |
| 16:22.36 | azeem | and multi-gnome-terminal looked like some forgotten fork from the old times |
| 16:22.39 | abrotman | erm .. that's not right |
| 16:22.42 | abrotman | chris___: hrm .. deb http://backports.org/pending sarge openoffice.org ? |
| 16:22.47 | abrotman | chris___: i think |
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| 16:22.52 | redloff | azeem, hmm |
| 16:23.05 | chris___ | abrotman: no it says dist parse |
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| 16:23.11 | loca|host | where can i find a good sample of /etc/apt/sources.list cause i think the problem of dovecot is from my apt sources |
| 16:23.12 | chris___ | oh sarge |
| 16:23.12 | redloff | now, I've checked that I have the same version on other system and it's just fine |
| 16:23.14 | chris___ | hold on |
| 16:23.21 | loca|host | what's the sources u r using |
| 16:23.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:23.30 | redloff | well, nevermind, I'kk try the gnome-terminal, az you say |
| 16:23.30 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | !r |
| 16:23.31 | dpkg | somebody said r was a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 16:23.38 | stew | loca|host: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:23.42 | loca|host | Sarge |
| 16:23.44 | loca|host | 3.1 |
| 16:23.50 | azeem | redloff: the last new upstream release which is in Debian is from 2003 |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | loca|host: use apt-setup |
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| 16:24.12 | abrotman | or .. i bet /usr/share/doc has an example somewhere |
| 16:24.14 | licued2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.15 | chris___ | abrotman: nope |
| 16:24.21 | abrotman | chris___: what's the error ? |
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| 16:24.26 | chris___ | abrotman: no URL found |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | chris___: www.backports.org ? |
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| 16:24.42 | chris___ | yup |
| 16:24.46 | wouterrr | lol |
| 16:24.53 | wouterrr | why does php4 wants to apt-get apache2 |
| 16:24.58 | wouterrr | that's rather bizar if you ask me |
| 16:24.59 | chris___ | abrotman: 404 not found |
| 16:25.14 | zerve_the_death | its ok here |
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| 16:25.44 | stew | wouterrr: is it trying to get "apache2" or just apache2-utils? |
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| 16:26.05 | wouterrr | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 16:26.05 | wouterrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.05 | wouterrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:26.15 | wouterrr | i don't need that crap on my system though |
| 16:26.34 | adilix | can anybody help me how do i compile the mplayer with gtk2 support |
| 16:26.41 | redguy|work | can anybody tell me why dnsmasq might be replying to queries itself cannot answer (and has to forward them) with REFUSED status? |
| 16:26.42 | stew | wouterrr: what webserver do you plan on using? |
| 16:26.43 | Bob332 | if i compile my own kernel will i no longer be able to get security updates? |
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| 16:26.50 | wouterrr | i use apache 1.3.34 |
| 16:26.52 | wouterrr | it's already installed : ) |
| 16:26.55 | stew | Bob332: correct |
| 16:26.57 | abrotman | chris___: maybe just ... "http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/ ./" ? |
| 16:26.57 | wouterrr | so i don't know why it's playing around |
| 16:27.06 | abrotman | chris___: err .. put a deb at the beginning of that |
| 16:27.12 | chris___ | yup |
| 16:27.25 | abrotman | wouterrr: what did you actually try to install ? |
| 16:27.28 | Nerzhul | how can i use gamesurge ? |
| 16:27.33 | wouterrr | i just installed apache 1.3.34 |
| 16:27.36 | stew | wouterrr: apt-get install php4 libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:27.37 | wouterrr | now i want to install php4 |
| 16:27.52 | chris___ | abrotman: malformed line #17 |
| 16:28.02 | Bob332 | stew, i downloaded the 2.6.12 kernel using apt-get with a testing entry in my sources.list....it still did not see my megaraid scsi disk |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | #17 ? |
| 16:28.10 | wouterrr | stew: i do find this quite sickening, it's still tries to fetch apache2 |
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| 16:28.20 | wouterrr | pff gues i set them on hold |
| 16:28.24 | abrotman | wouterrr: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 16:28.46 | abrotman | chris___: hrm .. i would think that to be fine |
| 16:28.48 | stew | wouterrr: what if you just run apt-get -f install? is it trying to install them due to some previous request? |
| 16:29.09 | wouterrr | yes it works now |
| 16:29.11 | wouterrr | thanks abrotman |
| 16:29.25 | chris___ | abrotman: yeah i don't know...i might just make a post on linuxquestions.org and see what others are using for a backport for oo.org2 |
| 16:29.39 | stew | hrm php4 shouldn't bring in libapache2-mod-php4 if you specifically request the apache1 version |
| 16:29.42 | stew | !depends php4 sarge |
| 16:29.50 | dpkg | php4: depends on libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-15) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-15), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-15) |
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| 16:30.22 | abrotman | chris___: i'd get tthem from there .. |
| 16:30.29 | bizkit | how can i add comments etc. to the auth files (passwd, group, gshadow and shadow)? using '#' as prefix? |
| 16:30.33 | sgeigerbot | !big shots |
| 16:30.45 | abrotman | chris___: i'm just too braindead this AM to format the line correctly :) |
| 16:30.52 | Fox_1_ | vcd player? |
| 16:30.57 | sgeigerbot | ~+big shots |
| 16:30.59 | apt | methinks big shots is "<fearl> bahadunn: sgeigerbot, sussudio, caphuso, bob2, greycat, penix, many others are all "big shots" in here, aka knowledgable regulars at some point" ...and helix and |
| 16:30.59 | Fox_1_ | not xine |
| 16:31.15 | chris___ | abrotman: np thanks for the help |
| 16:31.20 | abrotman | chris___: what line are oyu using now ? |
| 16:31.35 | _SerhaT_ | there are too many 'make' packages.. which one do I need to be able to run 'make '? |
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| 16:31.51 | tarzeau | _SerhaT_: make |
| 16:32.04 | chris___ | abrotman: deb http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/./ |
| 16:32.10 | stew | !b-e _SerhaT_ |
| 16:32.10 | chris___ | that but it doesn't work |
| 16:32.11 | dpkg | _SerhaT_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:32.21 | _SerhaT_ | hah.. /msg dpkg search make .. gave me just too many other packages.. |
| 16:33.08 | abrotman | chris___: you need at least a space in there .. after org/ ./ ... not org/./ |
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| 16:33.14 | tarzeau | yay i got the openssl link license exception for dillo in cvs! |
| 16:33.15 | _SerhaT_ | owyeah.. I installed a netinstall and it couldn't install that yet as I need to get the wifi to work before I can do that.. k |
| 16:33.25 | tarzeau | DILLO can surf https now. it is the best browser! |
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| 16:33.42 | jmrn | hola |
| 16:33.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: apparently you've not used IE3! |
| 16:33.53 | abrotman | jmrn: #debian-es |
| 16:33.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've used ie5 on solaris! |
| 16:34.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: what a crappy browser that was |
| 16:34.08 | chris___ | abrotman: didn't work |
| 16:34.21 | abrotman | chris___: and you put the space in ? |
| 16:34.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: not as bad as netscape4 when they all used tables in tables and css |
| 16:34.24 | abrotman | chris___: show me the line again |
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| 16:34.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: it was only great with OmniWeb |
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| 16:34.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: hotjava ? |
| 16:34.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: PUKE |
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| 16:35.25 | zumbi_ | hello, how do i register to be able to write to wiki.debian.org, do you need to be DD ? |
| 16:35.33 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 16:35.34 | tarzeau | zumbi_: no, just create an account |
| 16:35.38 | redloff | is there some aplication allowing to use rootwindow as terminal? |
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| 16:35.55 | abrotman | KLINE! |
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| 16:36.00 | htet | I have problem starting X windows on my debian after upgrade, I think I am having problem with locales not having the correct setting |
| 16:36.10 | tarzeau | redloff: it's called console? chvt 1 |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | htet: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:36.19 | abrotman | chris___: the line ? |
| 16:36.24 | boycer | htet: dpkg-reconfigure locales if you're not sure |
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| 16:36.37 | htet | Ok I will give it a try |
| 16:36.38 | redloff | tarzeau, chvt 1 ? |
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| 16:36.49 | zumbi_ | i see tarzeau, thanks, it look a little odd that Create profile |
| 16:36.56 | htet | Thanks, boycer abrotman |
| 16:37.07 | zumbi_ | but it is solved i guess |
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| 16:37.50 | Neil_ | is there a way to find out which distrib I'm running (unstable/stable/testing) without just catting /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:38.22 | RichiH | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:38.22 | Neil_ | ah, /etc/debian_version |
| 16:38.32 | sgeigerbot | Neil_: even catting that file won't really tell you. It can be using a mixture of releases. |
| 16:38.41 | Neil_ | atm it says testing/unstable |
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| 16:38.48 | Neil_ | I thought it was unstable.. |
| 16:38.50 | Neil_ | hmm |
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| 16:39.09 | sgeigerbot | Neil_ & RichiH: What happens if you do apt-get dist-upgrade...then that file is out-of-date. |
| 16:39.34 | sgeigerbot | Neil_: mine contains "3.1" |
| 16:39.37 | Neil_ | sgeigerbot: It was originally 'stable' so I guess apt updated it at some point |
| 16:39.43 | Neil_ | sgeigerbot: yeah, I've seen that too |
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| 16:39.53 | STORMKiNG | hi |
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| 16:41.08 | STORMKiNG | I like start a 'Domain Business' what need for this??? ( wich hardwares; internet type ... and where can I find ) |
| 16:41.10 | sgeigerbot | Neil_: I guess I would say this: You are likely not going to have a pure "testing" machine unless you installed testing or installed stable and did dist-upgrade. (But in the latter case, I still wouldn't be so sure. Only if everything gets updated would you have a testing machine.) |
| 16:41.18 | chris___ | abrotman: it worked i tink |
| 16:41.34 | sgeigerbot | Neil_: apt-get -t unstable install <foobar> |
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| 16:41.54 | sgeigerbot | STORMKiNG: I would try the AOL. |
| 16:41.55 | Neil_ | sgeigerbot: I did that, installed stabled, dist-upgraded straight away |
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| 16:42.17 | sgeigerbot | STORMKiNG: Oh, and check out the stock market. They can give you money. |
| 16:42.43 | STORMKiNG | ok |
| 16:42.55 | Xteven | hello, can anyone tell me how I can do a db_subst (but in perl) to insert several lines into a template ? |
| 16:43.35 | chris___ | abrotman: stupid backport has unmet dependencies now :( |
| 16:43.39 | chris___ | always a headache |
| 16:43.56 | Bob332 | does anyone know what this PARAM means in my config-2.6.12-1-386 file.....CONFIG_MEGARAID_NEWGEN=y |
| 16:44.09 | thingfish | that's why I stay with sarge, chris___. No headaches. |
| 16:44.10 | htet | I do dpkg-reconfigure locales , it is still not working, "Perl:warning:setting locale failed " |
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| 16:44.40 | htet | Some more perl error messages also |
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| 16:51.50 | sophacles | hi all. i have a question about debian and python eggs. whenever i try to easy_install a python egg i get a traceback: No module pkg_resources anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:52.00 | abrotman | chris___: like what ? |
| 16:52.36 | stew | sophacles: apt-file search pkg_resources ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 16:52.53 | redguy|work | where should I put the nameserver addresses so that resolvconf will generate a list for dnsmasq? |
| 16:53.07 | chris___ | abrotman: a ton of dependencies...i am just going to d/l off the oo.org website and convert to rpm via alien |
| 16:53.22 | abrotman | chris___: or you could tell us what you're missing .. and maybe we can help ? |
| 16:53.36 | sandman | Hm. Lfs looks like crap. |
| 16:53.54 | redguy|work | please, answer just one of my questions today |
| 16:53.56 | chris___ | abrotman: i am missing a ton of dependencies |
| 16:54.02 | chris___ | abrotman: at least 10 |
| 16:54.04 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:54.04 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 16:54.25 | Bob332 | can someone point me to a place where i can read up on how debian interacts with the kernel? I am lost |
| 16:54.31 | wouterrr | hum... |
| 16:54.34 | wouterrr | this is also rather bizar |
| 16:54.45 | wouterrr | when i try to install php4-pears it wants to install php5-cli and php5-common |
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| 16:55.08 | abrotman | Bob332: do you understand how any OS interacts with the kernel ? |
| 16:55.39 | sophacles | stew ok and that returns nothing, meaning no package has that file? |
| 16:55.54 | resiak | Hmm, do Linux kernel panics get logged anywhere? And if not is there any way to make them _be_ logged? |
| 16:55.54 | stew | sophacles: what version of debian? |
| 16:55.59 | Bob332 | abrotman, looking for something more along the lines of how to manage a system not using a debian compiled kernel |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | !tell Bob332 about kp |
| 16:56.21 | wouterrr | abrotman: you got an idea ?: ) |
| 16:56.26 | sophacles | stew latest testing with a few sid packages |
| 16:57.00 | Bob332 | abrotman, to answer the first question. no i dont know in much detail how the OS interacts with the kernel.. |
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| 16:57.12 | abrotman | wouterrr: no .. beacuse that's really weird |
| 16:57.20 | redguy|work | please please please |
| 16:57.27 | wouterrr | hehe, i thought so. but it's not a problem, i need php5 support next to php4 |
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| 16:57.36 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 16:57.40 | wouterrr | but trying to apt-get libapache-mod-php5 wants to remove libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:57.43 | abrotman | wouterrr: what version of debian are you running ? |
| 16:57.45 | resiak | Yes, it does. |
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| 16:57.48 | wouterrr | testing |
| 16:57.49 | wouterrr | etch |
| 16:57.59 | abrotman | duh .. don't use that for a server |
| 16:58.05 | stew | sophacles: it would have returned python2.3-setuptools and python2.4-setuptools if you had run it correctly |
| 16:58.06 | abrotman | !depends libapache-mod-php5 etch |
| 16:58.10 | redguy|work | to rephrase my question: what is the first argument for scripts in /etc/resolvconf/update.d/ ? |
| 16:58.16 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.2, libgdbm3, libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8, libxml2 (>= 2.6.21), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache-common (>= 1.3.33), php5-common (= 5.0.5-3), libmagic1 |
| 16:58.32 | thingfish | resiak: there's a /var/log/kern.log but I'm not sure how useful it is. |
| 16:58.42 | abrotman | !conflicts libapache-mod-php5 etch |
| 16:58.47 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: php3, php4 (<< 4:4.3.8-6), libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:58.54 | resiak | thingfish: Cheers. |
| 16:58.57 | user_ | does anybody know where to get the file wx-config in a debian package ? |
| 16:58.59 | wouterrr | yes, but it is possible to run php5 next to php4 without a problem |
| 16:59.02 | wouterrr | so it should to in debian |
| 16:59.11 | thingfish | the problem with kernel errors are that the machine often locks hard and nothing at all happens after that. |
| 16:59.28 | sophacles | stew ive got python2.3-setuputils installed... (and at the latest.) |
| 16:59.37 | resiak | thingfish: Yeah, I know. Just wondered |
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| 17:00.05 | stew | sophacles: you should be all set then, provided that your python alternative is pointing to 2.3 |
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| 17:00.43 | sophacles | stew i should be, but am not. |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | wouterrr: i dno't think it is |
| 17:01.58 | stew | sophacles: do you have usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/setuptools-0.6a6-py2.3.egg/pkg_resources.py ? |
| 17:02.25 | stew | sophacles: or something similar |
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| 17:03.59 | redguy|work | thank you, helpful people of #debian ;/ |
| 17:04.20 | abrotman | where?! |
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| 17:04.26 | redguy|work | :P |
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| 17:08.01 | wouterrr | i would just like apache to parse a file with the extension .php5 as php5 |
| 17:08.05 | wouterrr | and with php or php4 as php4 |
| 17:08.08 | bizkit | is there anything (libs?) i need to get lftp working with dircolors if self compiling it? the debian package works with dircolors, the salfmade has no dircolors :/ |
| 17:08.31 | abrotman | wouterrr: AddType |
| 17:08.36 | wouterrr | i know |
| 17:08.40 | wouterrr | but that does not work if i can't install php5 |
| 17:08.46 | wouterrr | eh, libapache-mod-php5 : ) |
| 17:08.48 | abrotman | wouterrr: but afaik .. you can't run php4 and 5 side by side |
| 17:09.08 | wouterrr | hum... i know some webhosters that you can set it yourself with a .htaccess directive |
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| 17:09.30 | wouterrr | then you upload a .htaccess with: AddType application/x-httpd-php-5 .php and everythings gets parsed by php5 |
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| 17:12.00 | akhil | how can i add something to my path upon login but not every time i open up a command prompt? |
| 17:12.25 | redloff | ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:12.27 | apt | source ~/.bashrc |
| 17:12.40 | akhil | apt: that does it every time i open a command prompt |
| 17:12.44 | redloff | ~/.bashrc will work on each opened up command prompt |
| 17:12.49 | akhil | redloff: ill try that, thanks |
| 17:12.59 | sophacles | stew no, i dont have those files |
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| 17:18.19 | gbdrbob | I'm haivng prblems trying to use the tun/tap drive with a freshly compiled kernel. |
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| 17:18.44 | gbdrbob | driver even |
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| 17:19.22 | gbdrbob | cat /dev/net/tun gives cat: /dev/net/tun: File descriptor in bad state |
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| 17:22.08 | gbdrbob | Searching the web the only suggestion I can find is to symlink /usr/include/linux to my current kernel source, but this is not he debian way - is there anothe roptio? |
| 17:22.14 | skiflyer | I have exim4 setup to hit a smarthost to send my mail, but I want it to use port 587 instead of 25, does anyone know how I set this? |
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| 17:23.07 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: on the smtp transport doing the delivery |
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| 17:24.02 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: yeah, but I can't find the file to set it... I'm using the non-split config files |
| 17:24.18 | gbdrbob | It's to set up an openvpn - I've been searching for a solution for days now - I'm on kernel 2.4.32 but had the same problem on 2.4.25 |
| 17:24.45 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: Or maybe the variable is what I need and it just goes in update-exim4.conf.conf, I'm not sure |
| 17:25.10 | htet | Where can I download the Debian Installation CD with 2.6 Kernel? I have found some links on the debian site but they led me to download 12 CDs!!! I only want to use one CD to install. I don't want netinstall also because it only give me 2.4 kernel. Anyone? |
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| 17:25.34 | thingfish | htet: you do linux26 at the prompt. |
| 17:25.41 | Ronin | htet: net install gives you a 26 kernel |
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| 17:26.13 | htet | Dang, I didn't notice that |
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| 17:26.38 | htet | Thanks guy, I will give it a try. Thanks Ronin and thingfish |
| 17:26.39 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: no, that cannot be set via a variable at the moment |
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| 17:26.50 | thingfish | htet: you're welcome. |
| 17:27.01 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: ok, do you know how I set it then? |
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| 17:27.26 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: in your smtp transport |
| 17:27.32 | stew | sophacles: do you see anything like that in "dpkg -L python2.3-setuputils"? |
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| 17:28.36 | simpletron | hi |
| 17:28.48 | simpletron | hi |
| 17:28.49 | joshs | how do I restrict the loading of a module during bootup... specifically I'm trying to keep snd_intel8x0m from loading.. I already put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it's still loading on bootup |
| 17:28.53 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: Yeah, I understand that concept, but I don't know where my smtp transport settings are |
| 17:29.11 | valdyn_ | joshs: you have discover or discover1 installed? |
| 17:29.22 | joshs | the former |
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| 17:29.32 | valdyn_ | joshs: it has its own blacklist |
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| 17:29.52 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: you should then read the documentation that comes with the exim packages. there is a quite verbose README.Debian file |
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| 17:30.06 | sophacles | stew: dpkg -L says python2.3-setuputils is not installed, apt-says it is and at the newest version. i just did an apt-get remove and apt-get install on it and now i do have the setuptools-0,6a6-py2.3.egg |
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| 17:30.29 | joshs | valdyn_, so place the module name in /etc/discoverer.conf ? |
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| 17:30.58 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: I'm in there, as well as in spect.txt and it's not clear on how to update that |
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| 17:31.40 | tchino | how can i use the thumb-bottons of a wireless mouse of microsoft, there are buttons four and five, and exist a possibilty to scroll left and right with mouse under debian |
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| 17:31.48 | sophacles | stew; my mistake i typoed the dpkg -L command line... it does have a pkg_resources in it. |
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| 17:32.08 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: are you using split or non-split config |
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| 17:32.16 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: non-split |
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| 17:32.24 | Zugschlus | then it's in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
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| 17:32.32 | valdyn_ | joshs: /etc/discover.d/ |
| 17:32.33 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: please submit a documentation patch to improve the docs |
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| 17:33.08 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: I will as soon as I figure out what in there needs changing |
| 17:33.18 | Zugschlus | good, thanks |
| 17:33.28 | valdyn_ | joshs: whatever works, but i suppose a custom file is preferable to modifying a config file that is maintained by debia |
| 17:33.32 | valdyn_ | joshs: whatever works, but i suppose a custom file is preferable to modifying a config file that is maintained by debian |
| 17:33.39 | pjz | if I'm in a package tree and I just built a package, how can I get the filename of what I just built? keep in mind there may be older versions of the package in .., so I can't just rely on ../foo*deb |
| 17:33.44 | skiflyer | So then in general, does anyone know what settings need to be changed in exim4.conf.template to change the port exim4 uses to contact the smarthost? |
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| 17:34.01 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: you need to set the port in the smtp transport |
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| 17:34.10 | valdyn_ | pjz: man ls, sort by data |
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| 17:34.13 | valdyn_ | pjz: man ls, sort by date |
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| 17:34.24 | joshs | valdyn_, would there be a reason to switch from discover to discover1 ? |
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| 17:34.41 | valdyn_ | joshs: i dont know one |
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| 17:34.59 | valdyn_ | joshs: i dont use discover at all, hotplug finds everything i need |
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| 17:35.16 | c_k | anyone here runnign squirrelmail at all? |
| 17:35.22 | joshs | val: :-) |
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| 17:35.59 | joshs | valdyn_, this is a new install on the laptop... actually I just found the alsa-base config file in discover.d and I just need to uncomment one line in it.. thanks for the great direction! |
| 17:35.59 | dannythm | hello there |
| 17:36.01 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: Honest, I'm not trying to be daft... but there is not a section labelled smtp transport, or transport for that matter... there are sevveral variables named transport, and they're all set to remote_smtp_smarthost |
| 17:36.09 | joeyy | i just installed 3.1 what do i change in the /etc/apt/sources.list so i can update things |
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| 17:36.31 | Zugschlus | skiflyer: these are routers. how about grepping, searching, and reading the comments in the file? |
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| 17:36.37 | valdyn_ | joshs: update to what? |
| 17:36.39 | dannythm | I installed fglrx for my ati with xfree and it don't work, I want to erase the package but I don't lnow how, any help? |
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| 17:36.53 | joshs | valdyn_, /etc/discover.d/alsa-base |
| 17:36.55 | Knight_Lord | I've got a problem with using software raid under linux. I have several big 15x400GB drives RAID 5 with mdadm. The problem is that when 1 of the disk fails, another one usually fails right after the first one during the rebuilding. Does this also happens to you? What should i do to prevent it? I thought about doing dd from md0 to /dev/null every night |
| 17:36.55 | skiflyer | Zugschlus: That's what I'm doing and not getting anywhere, that's why I came here |
| 17:37.01 | dannythm | I try doing dpkg --purge fglrx*.deb but it don't works |
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| 17:37.40 | valdyn_ | joshs: oh, dont modify that file, create your own, thats much easire to maintained, like 'no-load-my-modem' or whatever you wish ;) |
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| 17:37.45 | joshs | valdyn_, "# Uncomment these entries in order to blacklist unwanted modem drivers" ... and the one I needed, the "skip snd-intel8x0m" line was there |
| 17:37.49 | dannythm | well, it can be a posibiliy too helping me configure fglrx to work |
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| 17:37.57 | joshs | valdyn_, LOL, oh, ok |
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| 17:38.00 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: apt-get --purge remove fglrx |
| 17:38.11 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: thanks |
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| 17:38.54 | Mazingaro | hi please |
| 17:39.03 | Mazingaro | is anyone using xdeep/32??? |
| 17:39.09 | joeyy | i just installed 3.1 what do i change in the /etc/apt/sources.list so i can update things like new gcc etc |
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| 17:39.16 | joeyy | unstable testing etc |
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| 17:39.46 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: aaawww.... it tells me that it don't find the package |
| 17:40.01 | gbdrbob | I'm having problems setting up openvpn in linux. I've recompiled my kernel with tun/tap support but the tun device returns: File descriptor in bad state |
| 17:40.08 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: how is the package called? |
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| 17:40.17 | obsvuugj | I have ubuntu in an other partition and I want to use it in a window from debian . is it possible ? |
| 17:40.20 | pjz | valdyn_: thanks |
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| 17:40.32 | gbdrbob | Any help would be much appreciated |
| 17:40.41 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: sorry... dislexic mistake n_nUu |
| 17:40.52 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: now is uninstalled n_n |
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| 17:41.18 | c_k | hi guys what command is it to create a user that has an account but has no ssh ability at all |
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| 17:42.02 | WoodyWoodpecker | c_k: You could configure sshd_config for not letting this user make ssh sessions |
| 17:42.04 | ke6isf | c_k: adduser, just chsh the user to /bin/false or something that runs and promptly dies. |
| 17:42.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or just use pam |
| 17:42.10 | WoodyWoodpecker | /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 17:42.43 | c_k | thanks |
| 17:42.47 | WoodyWoodpecker | c_k: Should this user be able to do different things with shells ? Like interactive stuff on tty? ? |
| 17:42.49 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: how can i know configure xfre86 so I can reestart the gui, after unistalling fglrx? |
| 17:43.13 | c_k | just purely allowing them a imap and pop3 login but not got as far as setting up a better system as yet for it |
| 17:43.18 | ke6isf | !drxx dannythm |
| 17:43.21 | dpkg | dannythm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:43.32 | WoodyWoodpecker | dannythm: /etc/init.d/xfree86 (or some other script) restart |
| 17:43.32 | c_k | will be using a combo of exim,courier and mysql soon just after an interim solution for now really thats all |
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| 17:44.12 | nicki | re |
| 17:44.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | c_k: then set /etc/passwd /bin/false ^^ |
| 17:44.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | This would be easiest way |
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| 17:45.31 | obsvuugj | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.42 | valdyn_ | obsvuugj: yes |
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| 17:46.55 | dannythm | hmm |
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| 17:47.36 | Humma_Kaluva_ | xlibmesa-gl on sarge claims to have GLX 1.2 but has some functions from GLX 1.3 which don't work. Should that be considerd a bug? |
| 17:47.37 | dannythm | I uninstalled fglrx and reconfigured xfree86, but when I do startx it gives me some errors |
| 17:47.42 | dannythm | shall I reinstall xfree? |
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| 17:47.59 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: what errors? |
| 17:48.02 | stew | obsvuugj: you could use it in a chroot |
| 17:48.43 | obsvuugj | stew> how do I do that ? |
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| 17:48.49 | stew | obsvuugj: but that might not be what you want, otherwise you'd have to look into a virtual machine like xen or uml or something |
| 17:49.04 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: device not found, fglrx package not found, and tha kind |
| 17:49.06 | valdyn_ | obsvuugj: why do you think at all that you have to do that? |
| 17:49.08 | stew | obsvuugj: mount / in somewhere, say, /mnt/ubuntu, then chroot /mnt/ubuntu |
| 17:49.33 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: I just purged xfree and i'm reinstlling it, I hope that works |
| 17:49.53 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: that's brute force, but should work |
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| 17:50.55 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: haha... well someday i'll learn how to install fglrx without smashing everything |
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| 17:51.19 | imnes | Anybody work with libapt-front? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to generate java bindings with swig. |
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| 17:52.26 | obsvuugj | stew>bash: chroot: command not found :( what do I have to install ? |
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| 17:53.28 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: hmm... i do startx x and it tells me "fatal server error: no screens found" |
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| 17:53.41 | valdyn_ | obsvuugj: guess |
| 17:53.58 | valdyn_ | !noscreensfound |
| 17:53.58 | dpkg | noscreensfound is, like, probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 17:54.20 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_:it also says "no fgrlx found" and "no drivers found" |
| 17:55.23 | gbdrbob | hello |
| 17:55.27 | obsvuugj | valdyn_> i installed dchroot , fakechroot and chrootuid and I have sitll "Command not found" :( |
| 17:55.41 | gbdrbob | is anyone running openvpn and able to help me? |
| 17:55.56 | obsvuugj | !troubleshooting x |
| 17:55.56 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 17:56.08 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: did you purge X11? |
| 17:56.18 | obsvuugj | dpkg>ok |
| 17:56.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ok is not ok |
| 17:56.36 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: I purged fglrx and xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:58.27 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: delete /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:58.28 | redloff | what could cause xmms not to play stream audio? |
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| 17:58.52 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: I delte it then reconfigure xfree isn't it? |
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| 17:58.59 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: yes |
| 17:59.11 | redloff | it just says "connecting to <ip>" and that's all.. apart from it generates about 98% cpu usage |
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| 17:59.24 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: don't select anything which sounds like fglrx |
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| 17:59.26 | obsvuugj | valdyn_> what do I have to install to make the chroot command to work ? |
| 18:00.01 | redloff | obsvuugj, coreutils |
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| 18:00.32 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: ok... how can I know the PCI bus whew my card is pluged? |
| 18:00.45 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: the bus id? |
| 18:00.50 | daxxar | No way to delete conntrack-entries matching a certain criteria? My conntrack-table is full :| |
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| 18:00.54 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: yes |
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| 18:01.03 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: use lspci, pick out the card you want |
| 18:01.05 | valdyn_ | obsvuugj: chroot |
| 18:01.36 | ke6isf | redloff: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:01.42 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: I see too much things |
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| 18:02.00 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: just look for your graphics card |
| 18:02.11 | valdyn_ | dannythm: you dont need to know what your gfx card's bus id is |
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| 18:02.22 | obsvuugj | redloff> coreutils is installed |
| 18:02.37 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: how? I cannot see what's abobe the screen |
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| 18:02.46 | obsvuugj | valdyn_> threr is no chroot package :( |
| 18:02.48 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: um, scroll back? |
| 18:02.54 | redloff | ke6isf, it's gentoo currently :> |
| 18:03.01 | redloff | obsvuugj, then I have no idea |
| 18:03.23 | mschiff | Does anybody know a way to read RAM information like SPD from within linux? |
| 18:03.25 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: how do i scroll? |
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| 18:03.38 | ke6isf | redloff: You might ask your question about xmms in gentoo then. |
| 18:03.39 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: press SHIFT + PAGE UP |
| 18:03.45 | ke6isf | redloff: In #gentoo rather. |
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| 18:03.59 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: ok |
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| 18:04.07 | valdyn_ | obsvuugj: how can you miss an essential package in debian? are you even running debian? |
| 18:04.16 | redloff | ke6isf, I thought it could be distro-independent problem |
| 18:04.24 | twb | So I have this openwrt router with a Windows box and two Debian/etch boxes plugged into it. |
| 18:04.26 | redloff | and people are so nice in here |
| 18:04.29 | ke6isf | redloff: I have no problems... |
| 18:04.30 | samuel | valdyn_, i will vouch debian does run without coreutils |
| 18:04.36 | redloff | everyone has problems |
| 18:04.39 | redloff | :F |
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| 18:04.48 | twb | Everyone can resolve the windows box's name, but no one can resolve the Debian boxes' names. |
| 18:04.49 | valdyn_ | samuel: no idea, but its marked essential |
| 18:04.52 | twb | What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:04.57 | pjz | if I'm in a package tree and I just built a package, how can I get the filename of what I just built? keep in mind there may be older versions of the package in .., so I can't just rely on ../foo*deb. Also, the build dates might be out of order (due to copying from one machine to another, etc) |
| 18:05.09 | kikinovak | Hi. I'm currently compiling a fresh 2.6.14 kernel on Sarge. When I reboot, boot messages show me which modules are looked for ("Skipping unavailable/built-in module....) ... but when I issue dmesg, these messages are not there. How can I get back, since they fly by too fast? |
| 18:05.13 | valdyn_ | samuel: meaning he should have it installed.. |
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| 18:05.17 | pjz | oop, sorry |
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| 18:05.30 | samuel | valdyn_, it is, but debian runs fine without it, anyways... all he has to do is apt-get install |
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| 18:05.46 | pjz | what I realy want to figure out is how to install the most recent package in a directory... will dpkg figure that out for me? |
| 18:05.50 | [FileFly] | hey folks =) |
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| 18:05.54 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: I have to put it like PCI:1:0:0 isn't it? |
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| 18:05.55 | Humma_Kaluva_ | samuel: try purging coreutils and see what happens :) |
| 18:06.06 | twb | pjz: no. |
| 18:06.07 | cahoot | kikinovak: you probably need to enabled bootlogd - look in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 18:06.08 | valdyn_ | samuel: if he's running debian.. |
| 18:06.09 | pjz | if I have foo-1.deb and foo-2.deb in a dir and do 'dpkg --install foo*.deb' will it do the right thing? |
| 18:06.14 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: I'm not sure, I never used bus IDs in X11 |
| 18:06.14 | valdyn_ | samuel: and no like uh, knoppix |
| 18:06.25 | kikinovak | cahoot that sounds interesting. thanks |
| 18:06.28 | valdyn_ | obsvuugj: apt-get install coreutils |
| 18:06.28 | joshs | is there an easy way to have a medai drive auto-mounted when put into a drive .. a CD for instance? |
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| 18:06.34 | twb | pjz: it'll install both, the latter overwriting the former. |
| 18:06.34 | [FileFly] | Nov 22 18:04 : problems opening audio device while playing "example.mp3" |
| 18:06.38 | [FileFly] | anyone have any ideas? =) |
| 18:06.38 | samuel | Humma_Kaluva_, i have, but if i remember correctly i had a few "problems" |
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| 18:06.52 | Humma_Kaluva_ | samuel: like, no initscripts? |
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| 18:06.54 | twb | pjz: because -2 is lexicographically after -1. |
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| 18:07.01 | [FileFly] | that's from mpd for anyone unaware. |
| 18:07.03 | pjz | twb: hrm, how can I install just the latest version in that case? |
| 18:07.20 | twb | pjz: you need to know in advance. |
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| 18:07.34 | pjz | twb: ugh |
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| 18:07.37 | twb | pjz: You can find a .deb's version using dpkg -I. |
| 18:07.38 | ke6isf | !mpd |
| 18:07.38 | dpkg | i heard mpd is multiple personality disorder |
| 18:07.41 | misieq | how do i prevent gpm from loading itself? or how do i set it up so it not prevents mouse pointer in x from any action? |
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| 18:07.47 | ke6isf | hmm... |
| 18:07.51 | twb | pjz: Or you can set up your own apt archive. |
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| 18:08.03 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: ok, it tells me now while doing startx: unable to locate/open config file and error from xf85Handleconfig |
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| 18:08.04 | samuel | Humma_Kaluva_, valdyn_ no, nevermind, im thinking of something else - i dont think i could login without login could i? |
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| 18:08.17 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: and the fatal error no screens found |
| 18:08.19 | pjz | twb: some way to treat a directory as an apt-archive would be useful |
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| 18:08.20 | valdyn_ | samuel: hah |
| 18:08.23 | cortez | what's the nologin shell package for debian called? |
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| 18:08.56 | twb | pjz: exactly. |
| 18:08.56 | ke6isf | cortez: I usually just use /bin/false or something like that myself. |
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| 18:09.12 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: it seems dpkg-reconfigure failed |
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| 18:09.24 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: is that possible? |
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| 18:09.29 | twb | pkz: man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 18:09.36 | cortez | it's not in /etc/shells so i'm asuming it's not installed |
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| 18:09.50 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: I dunno... |
| 18:09.53 | ke6isf | cortez: What, false? It doesn't need to be in /etc/shells, it's just 'false'. |
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| 18:10.07 | ke6isf | cortez: All that false does is return an error code of 1 and exit. Nothing more. |
| 18:10.08 | cortez | yeah saw, great thanks |
| 18:10.16 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: i did it and while configuring it gave no error |
| 18:10.19 | kikinovak | cahoot thanks indeed... enabling /etc/default/bootlogd sends boot log to /var/log/boot |
| 18:10.36 | [FileFly] | nvm folks got it =) |
| 18:10.37 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: then you should have a config file, but you don't |
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| 18:10.43 | [FileFly] | mpd just needed ALSA support. |
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| 18:10.50 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: yeah, I ddon't have the config file |
| 18:10.51 | cortez | ke6isf: does it have the feature of nologin, so that it does enable you to login with ftp? |
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| 18:10.57 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: somethong went wrong and I don't know what |
| 18:11.01 | misieq | how do i prevent gpm from loading itself? or how do i set it up so it not prevents mouse pointer in x from any action? |
| 18:11.01 | [FileFly] | Well so far i'm extremely impressed with Debian! It's soooo much more pleasent to use! =D |
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| 18:11.08 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: damn! |
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| 18:11.11 | Humma_Kaluva_ | dannythm: also, I gotta go. sorry |
| 18:11.18 | misieq | [FileFly], over what? |
| 18:11.21 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: thanks for all, I gota go too |
| 18:11.26 | dannythm | Humma_Kaluva_: n_n |
| 18:11.31 | [FileFly] | misieq, gentoo |
| 18:11.39 | stew | misieq: apt-get remove gpm |
| 18:11.46 | ke6isf | cortez: it has no features. But, to prevent ftp logins, check the documentation for your ftpd or pam.d |
| 18:11.48 | dannythm | anybody knows why a dpkg-reconfigure can fail? |
| 18:12.08 | ke6isf | dannythm: What are you trying to dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:12.10 | misieq | stew, without removing gpm :) |
| 18:12.16 | valdyn_ | dannythm: be less vague |
| 18:12.16 | dannythm | I erased my xfree86 config file and then did a reconfigure of xserver.xfree86 |
| 18:12.24 | valdyn_ | dannythm: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:12.25 | stew | misieq: stop it from starting with either update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 18:12.32 | dannythm | but it don't apears a new config file |
| 18:12.49 | dannythm | ke6isf: xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:12.58 | ke6isf | dannythm: What valdyn_ said. |
| 18:13.18 | dannythm | ke6isf: huh? |
| 18:13.24 | dannythm | i did it but nothing happened |
| 18:13.32 | ke6isf | dannythm: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:13.43 | valdyn_ | !test |
| 18:13.43 | dpkg | Yes, valdyn_, you're still online. |
| 18:13.46 | valdyn_ | !xmd5 |
| 18:13.46 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 18:14.09 | cortez | ke6isf: i 'want' to enable ftp login, but not give the user a shell, hence why i want to know what the nologin package is called |
| 18:14.21 | ke6isf | dannythm: Wait a minute, why in tarnations did you remove your conf file?! |
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| 18:14.32 | zuppix | Guys quick question - trying to install debian sarge on a sata drive - intel chipset and none of the drivers work |
| 18:14.46 | dannythm | ke6isf: because I installed fglrx and it didn't worked |
| 18:14.47 | ke6isf | cortez: Oh, I see. In that case, yeah, just put /bin/false on the appropriate line in /etc/passwd. FTP login will still be available. |
| 18:14.51 | valdyn_ | zuppix: you used linux26 ? |
| 18:14.55 | twb | What's the initial setup program called? |
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| 18:15.07 | dannythm | ke6isf: then uninstaled fglrx and reconfigured xfree, it don't worked |
| 18:15.21 | dannythm | ke6isf: then reinstalled xfree and still don't worked |
| 18:15.22 | ke6isf | dannythm: That's like removing the engine to your car because the replacement stereo doesn't work. |
| 18:15.24 | misieq | how do i add local media (this is some directory on my hdd) to sources.list? |
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| 18:15.39 | graphite | Ive been trying to set up ndiswrapper, ive got kernel source and ndiswrapper source, ive got to a point were im told to go to ndiswrapper source dir and 'make', which gives the following error:make -C driver |
| 18:15.39 | graphite | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/stubbs/downloads/ndiswrapper-1.5/driver' |
| 18:15.39 | graphite | cc -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DMODVERSIONS -include /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build/include/linux/modversions.h -DDRIVER_VERSION=\"1.5\" -DLINUX -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -c -o usb.o usb.c |
| 18:15.40 | graphite | usb.c: In function `wrap_alloc_urb': |
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| 18:15.45 | dannythm | ke6isf: so I erased the congif file and hoped that the reconfiure wrote a new one |
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| 18:16.02 | graphite | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 18:16.06 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 18:16.06 | graphite | , any help? |
| 18:16.06 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 18:16.06 | ke6isf | graphite: As is demonstrated, don't flood. |
| 18:16.13 | graphite | sorry didnt mean to flood there |
| 18:16.28 | valdyn_ | graphite: why dont you use the debian packages and infrastructure to build ndiswrapper? |
| 18:16.55 | dannythm | ke6isf: but it didin't happened, and now I dunno what to do |
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| 18:17.18 | Skrotto | valdyn_: Most people don't know about all the neat stuff that comes with debian. :> |
| 18:17.23 | valdyn_ | dannythm: you could read dpkg's lengthy explanation |
| 18:17.45 | valdyn_ | Skrotto: yea, thats a fact, but no excuse ) |
| 18:17.49 | dannythm | valdyn_: I readed it, but it don't tells me what to do if I erase the config file |
| 18:17.49 | ke6isf | valdyn_: He erased his config file. I'm not sure that xmd5 is the correct procedure here. |
| 18:17.55 | joeyy | how do i update to a new kernel ? |
| 18:18.06 | ke6isf | joeyy: What version of Debian? |
| 18:18.12 | joeyy | 3.1 |
| 18:18.16 | mornfall | imnes: me |
| 18:18.21 | graphite | valdyn_: sorry im not sure what you mean |
| 18:18.23 | valdyn_ | ke6isf: i dont know, but to work around that he could 'touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 18:18.37 | valdyn_ | graphite: nevermind, abrotman helped you ) |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | i did ? |
| 18:18.50 | mornfall | imnes: maybe #ekhis or #debian-devel ... or the mailing list |
| 18:18.51 | abrotman | don't blame me@! |
| 18:18.52 | ke6isf | dannythm: There you go. Before you proceed...what valdyn_ said. |
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| 18:19.01 | valdyn_ | !blame abrotman |
| 18:19.05 | valdyn_ | wth |
| 18:19.06 | ke6isf | joeyy: What kernel version are you using? Is it a package? |
| 18:19.09 | akhil | i'm trying to install gvpndialer but it requires "glib" what pkg to get? |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | !hire valdyn_ |
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| 18:19.25 | FalscherHase | misieq: use apt-setup and choose "file system" |
| 18:19.33 | Firestarter2 | HEY |
| 18:19.35 | joeyy | 2.6.8 |
| 18:19.46 | joeyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.54 | dannythm | ke6isf: hmmm...? how I touched the config file? |
| 18:20.36 | ke6isf | dannythm: 'touch filename'. touch registers the data and time to "now" on a file you touch - or, if the file isn't there, creates an empty file of that name. |
| 18:20.50 | ke6isf | joeyy: You're looking to go to a 686/k7/whatever, or build a new kernel? |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | !mhb |
| 18:21.17 | joeyy | i got a amd k6 -2 450mhz |
| 18:21.24 | abrotman | he's using the right one |
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| 18:21.37 | ke6isf | joeyy: Then what are you looking to do? |
| 18:21.41 | ke6isf | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 18:21.56 | akhil | anyone? |
| 18:22.05 | joeyy | how do i get a 2.6.13 kernel |
| 18:22.07 | abrotman | !find glib |
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| 18:22.09 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'glib' (15 of 30): bglibs-dev ;; bglibs-doc ;; dbus-glib-1 ;; dbus-glib-1-dev ;; glibc-doc ;; guile-gnome0-glib ;; libarts1-mpeglib ;; libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 ;; libglib-cil ;; libglib-perl ;; libglib1.2 ;; libglib1.2-dbg ;; libglib1.2-dev ;; libglib1.2-doc ;; libglib2-ruby. |
| 18:22.16 | dannythm | ke6isf: ok, so now I reconfigure xfree and it should work isn't it? |
| 18:22.16 | ke6isf | joeyy: Ah, OK, that's more concise. |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | joeyy: why do you want one ? |
| 18:22.48 | joeyy | because 2.6.8 is kinda old |
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| 18:23.11 | abrotman | joeyy: does it work ? |
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| 18:23.19 | dannythm | ke6isf: ok I reconfigured but nothing was written in the XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:23.41 | graphite | now when i modprobe ndiswrapper i get a different error :/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.o: init_module: Operation not permittedHint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters.You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.o failed/lib/modules/ |
| 18:23.41 | graphite | 2.4.27-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.o: insmod ndiswrapper failed |
| 18:23.49 | stew | dannythm: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:23.56 | ke6isf | dannythm: And you tried 'apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86'? |
| 18:23.57 | abrotman | don't use insmod |
| 18:24.07 | abrotman | !missconf |
| 18:24.08 | ke6isf | stew: We've been there. He erased his config file. |
| 18:24.10 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 18:24.10 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:24.14 | dannythm | ke6isf: I purged xfree then reinstalled it |
| 18:24.16 | Hackel | Can you use \ to write commands over several lines in a crontab file? |
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| 18:24.30 | PonyHest | hi, i have a software raid5 which i try to include in my lvm2, but it includes /dev/hda2 every time |
| 18:24.45 | PonyHest | (hda2 is a part of the raid5 device) |
| 18:24.52 | gr00vy | Hi not sure of the format for asking questions but i'm trying to configure the kernel but when i run make xconfig i get an error that xconfig cant find a QT installation, i have installed libqt3c102 with apt-get bu that hasnt helped and i some google results say i need to install the development verison of QT but apt-get wont install linqt3-dev becasue it depends on other packages apt wont install. Can anyone tell me how to sort this QT o |
| 18:24.52 | gr00vy | can run xconfig? |
| 18:24.55 | ke6isf | Hackel: Why not just place it in a shell script and run the shell script? |
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| 18:25.11 | valdyn_ | gr00vy: use menuconfig instead |
| 18:25.27 | Hackel | ke6isf: Just trying to keep it simple, but I'll do that if I have to. |
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| 18:25.39 | abrotman | joeyy: does the kernel work or not ? |
| 18:25.41 | ke6isf | Hackel: Seems simpler to me to do that.... |
| 18:25.41 | gr00vy | i could but i read that i can see little desciptions about all the options with xconfig |
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| 18:25.59 | abrotman | stupid spam bots |
| 18:26.00 | valdyn_ | gr00vy: that isnt any different in menuconfig |
| 18:26.08 | valdyn_ | gr00vy: ( except for looks ) |
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| 18:26.26 | dannythm | ke6isf: it didn't worked either it tells me "problem parsing config file" and Error from xf85hadlecnfig file |
| 18:26.31 | john_doe | are there any known problems with sarge and the 2.6.8 kernel? sometimes my machine wan't boot. It stops at mounting swap. |
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| 18:26.42 | gr00vy | valdyn_: ok i will give it a go then, ty |
| 18:27.00 | dannythm | ke6isf: xf86blabla.. |
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| 18:27.48 | ke6isf | dannythm: abrotman summoned 'confmiss' a moment ago. Have you tried following those directions yet? |
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| 18:28.46 | dannythm | ke6isf: that's a good idea |
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| 18:28.55 | abrotman | cmdKeen: ronald |
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| 18:30.57 | PonyHest | hi, why does my LVM2 recognize a single harddisk which is part of a software raid and not the software raid which i tells it to include ? |
| 18:31.10 | cmdKeen | abrotman, who the srck is that and why does he do so ? |
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| 18:32.26 | dannythm | ke6isf: It son't work, but it don't matter, I will do it later, I g2g now |
| 18:32.32 | dannythm | ke6isf: thanks anyway! |
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| 18:32.50 | lmello | apt, viu msinhore ? |
| 18:33.26 | jsmidt | I have ubuntu and am thinking of switching to debian, what do you think? |
| 18:34.09 | cmdKeen | jsmidt, heh, I personaly think that's very... complicated problem:-P |
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| 18:34.11 | [FileFly] | jsmidt, DO IT! =) |
| 18:34.27 | michael | Debian is currently the only OS on my machine. If I'd like to install XP besides (I need it for a certain programm) how do I manage both OS's? |
| 18:34.41 | jsmidt | What are the advantages? |
| 18:34.58 | [FileFly] | jsmidt, I went from Gentoo through nearly all distros (including Ubuntu) and I think i've finally settled down with Debian now =D |
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| 18:35.26 | doleyb | michael: have you already tested that wine doesn't do your progs? |
| 18:35.26 | jsmidt | What should I get stableor testing? |
| 18:35.40 | Skrotto | jsmidt: Joining #debian and asking if you should use it or not is kinda like being a muslim going to a church and asking if you should switch religion.. |
| 18:35.41 | doleyb | jsmidt: not testing! |
| 18:35.46 | michael | doleyb: yes I just tested it. The installation routine exits with an error msg |
| 18:36.02 | cmdKeen | jsmidt, I am using testing and it's absolutely stable on my desktop. |
| 18:36.18 | john_doe | michael: both grub and lilo handles windows fine |
| 18:36.18 | Skrotto | I'm using unstable, and it has always threated me good |
| 18:36.24 | cmdKeen | doleyb, why not testing ?! |
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| 18:36.56 | michael | john_doe: but how can I make grub accept both? I mean, just go over, boot from XP cd, install and that's it? |
| 18:37.10 | john_doe | michael: but be sure not to destroy your linux partitions when installing xp (don't know the install procedure). |
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| 18:37.27 | joeyy | is the 2.6.8-1 kernel stable ? |
| 18:37.35 | stew | joeyy: 2.6.8-2 |
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| 18:37.39 | roxy | if i have a precompiled kernel, where are the modules? |
| 18:37.53 | stew | roxy: /lib/modules/$version/ |
| 18:37.55 | john_doe | michael: no, look at the grub documentation. It's described there exactly how to do it. |
| 18:38.10 | joeyy | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 18:38.37 | quest_ | stew, hi stew. i am still trying to configure my wirelss card... |
| 18:38.46 | john_doe | michael: you will propably end up with an overwritten mbr. then you must run grub-install afterwards to get back grub. |
| 18:38.46 | jsmidt | Skrotto, I know it is a dumb question to ask here, I just have been reading up on it, like the philosophies and structure I read about, I just want to know how the users feel about it. |
| 18:38.46 | stew | joeyy: yes, hoever unless you have a 486 or a pentiumI there is likely a slightly more appropriate kernel, that one will work for any i386 though |
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| 18:39.08 | joeyy | i got a 586 |
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| 18:39.17 | john_doe | michael: you will find good documentation for grub at gnu.org |
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| 18:39.23 | stew | joeyy: then yeah 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 18:39.30 | zoyd | hi |
| 18:39.30 | quest_ | stew, i was thinking something. if use knoppix, take the modules that it uses from /etc/module/version and copy them in the same dir in debian, should it work? |
| 18:39.36 | stew | michael: and in /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
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| 18:39.46 | stew | quest_: no |
| 18:39.49 | Skrotto | jsmidt: I love it. But then again, I haven't tried every distro out there. In fact I haven't used anything but debian for 2 years. So it's well known to me. Guess thats a huge plus. :> |
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| 18:40.03 | stew | quest_: wait, what is /etc/module/? |
| 18:40.06 | quest_ | stew, why not? is there something i can do in that way? |
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| 18:40.22 | quest_ | stew, didn't understand |
| 18:40.25 | abrotman | joeyy: does your kernel work? |
| 18:40.35 | stew | quest_: your debian kernel won't load modules compiled for a different kernel version |
| 18:40.36 | joeyy | yes |
| 18:40.36 | quest_ | stew, sorry.. /lib/module |
| 18:40.41 | jsmidt | When is etch supposed to be released? |
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| 18:40.45 | abrotman | joeyy: then why in the hell do you want to mess with it? |
| 18:40.47 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 18:40.47 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 18:40.48 | stew | quest_: what wireless chipset? |
| 18:40.50 | joeyy | i was wanting a testing kernel |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | it could be broken |
| 18:41.00 | sridevisomu | U |
| 18:41.01 | quest_ | stew, if i install the same kernel? |
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| 18:41.12 | sridevisomu | h |
| 18:41.24 | stew | jsmidt: current plan is for end of 2006, which hopefully means sometime in 2007 |
| 18:41.35 | stew | quest_: you want to install the knoppix kernel onto debian? |
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| 18:42.01 | quest_ | stew, not knoppix kernel, but the same version which is 2.6.12 |
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| 18:42.06 | abrotman | !kill 193.25.105.168 |
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| 18:42.15 | stew | quest_: no, it won't be the same version |
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| 18:42.28 | Quest | oh my god, another Quest |
| 18:42.28 | stew | quest_: what wireless chipset? |
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| 18:42.34 | Quest | keeps highlighting me |
| 18:42.36 | quest_ | stew, so you mean that they give the same name for 2 different kernels?? |
| 18:42.38 | abrotman | joeyy: i'm really not sure why you want to try to screw up your system .. if it works .. don't mess with it .. the damage you could cause might force you to reinstall |
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| 18:42.52 | citral | !annoy Quest |
| 18:42.54 | sridevisomu | Greetings: Can someone assist me updating my /etc/apt/source.list? I get the following message with my current repository: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
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| 18:43.11 | abrotman | !irritate citral |
| 18:43.12 | dpkg | citral: hi every1 who uses kde kk |
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| 18:43.18 | abrotman | sridevisomu: apt-setup |
| 18:43.27 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 18:43.28 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 18:43.35 | quest_ | stew, 2200bg, but i tried everything yeasterday and sicne i'm a newbie it didn't work |
| 18:43.46 | sridevisomu | Thank you abrotman for your timely response. |
| 18:44.07 | stew | quest_: no, i mean the knoppix kernel is probably version "2.6.12-1.knoppix1" or something and the debian one will be "2.6.12-1" unless knoppix is either A) doing something wrong or B) using the debian kernels without modification. if B) were the case then there would be no reason to use the knoppix kernel in the first place |
| 18:44.14 | stew | !ipw2200 |
| 18:44.14 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
| 18:44.26 | stew | quest_: did you get errors when you tried that ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 18:44.32 | sridevisomu | :h |
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| 18:44.43 | stew | quest_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:44.46 | quest_ | stew, yes, i had errors, and i am really scared to try again |
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| 18:45.01 | stew | quest_: what errors. there is no reason to be scared |
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| 18:45.35 | quest_ | stew, is it so difficult for the debian kernel to "understand" the modules from knoppix? |
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| 18:46.07 | quest_ | stew, i was just trying to find a "clean" solution. with knoppix the wirelss works fine |
| 18:46.07 | stew | quest_: becuase they were compiled to explicitly reject a kernel module from a different kernel |
| 18:46.26 | stew | quest_: the clean solution is just to run m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 18:46.34 | NOthsouth | hello, there is a free version of NXserver for debian ??? |
| 18:46.44 | valdyn_ | !freenx |
| 18:46.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freenx is debs at http://kanotix.com/files/debian |
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| 18:47.03 | NOthsouth | valdyn_, thx thx thx |
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| 18:47.28 | NOthsouth | valdyn_, This Account Has Been Suspended |
| 18:47.32 | Ronin | heh |
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| 18:47.37 | Ronin | beat me to it NOthsouth |
| 18:47.40 | quest_ | stew, i tried yesterday. even with module assistant, and didn't work |
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| 18:47.53 | stew | quest_: if you were to tell us the errors we could maybe help you |
| 18:47.57 | nkuttler | quest_: did you /msg dpkg ipw2200 ? |
| 18:48.07 | quest_ | nkuttler, yes |
| 18:48.16 | zoyd | anyone here uses TET? |
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| 18:48.25 | quest_ | nkuttler, i followed the instructions, but maybe i could have done something wrong |
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| 18:48.37 | nkuttler | quest_: answer stew's question |
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| 18:49.00 | tummyacid | can anyone tell me what package i must install to use wc? |
| 18:49.05 | NOthsouth | Ronin, ? |
| 18:49.10 | NOthsouth | valdyn_, ? |
| 18:49.13 | quest_ | nkuttler, stew i can try again, cos i can't rememebr (i know it will be painful) |
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| 18:49.29 | Ronin | i was about to say its been suspenede NOthsouth, i was looking into freenx earlier |
| 18:49.42 | quest_ | stew, btw, do you know if it works with 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 18:49.45 | nkuttler | tummyacid: wc is installed on every debian system |
| 18:49.49 | stew | tummyacid: coreutils, you should definately have it |
| 18:49.49 | tummyacid | im trying to make my usb webcam work and the configure script for the qc-usb driver says it wants wc |
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| 18:50.08 | NOthsouth | Ronin, i see |
| 18:50.11 | tummyacid | so i can ignore that warning then |
| 18:50.12 | stew | quest_: i've never tried with anything but 2.6.8 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 |
| 18:50.19 | tummyacid | alrighty then |
| 18:50.22 | stew | quest_: bts would know, /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:50.56 | slam | I noticed that the stock kernel with debian 3.1 has "CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y" set in the config...if I want to support 2G of memory is it true I'll need to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:50.59 | nkuttler | tummyacid: maybe the installer doesn't know where it is |
| 18:51.27 | quest_ | stew, what is the difference between 386 amd 686 ? |
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| 18:52.04 | Hackel | In bash can I test for the existence of -any- files in a directory with something like if [-f /dir/*] ? |
| 18:52.07 | stew | quest_: 386 should work with anything, 686 should work with these: |
| 18:52.09 | stew | !686 |
| 18:52.09 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 18:52.28 | Andy837 | i need help!! my debian box wont connect with a static IP address to my network, i have configured /etc/network/interfaces but still no joy...... |
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| 18:52.53 | quest_ | stew, where can i see my processor? (i think it is pentium-m) |
| 18:52.54 | slam | I should clarify that's for config-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 18:53.08 | stew | quest_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:53.14 | nkuttler | Andy837: does ifconfig show the interface with the settings you want? |
| 18:53.51 | Andy837 | nkuttler: seems to |
| 18:54.10 | quest_ | stew, ok it is pentium-m. so before trying with the modules should i install the kernel-image? |
| 18:54.12 | nkuttler | Andy837: can you ping the router? |
| 18:54.32 | Andy837 | nkuttler: yup |
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| 18:55.17 | nkuttler | Andy837: _what_ does not work? |
| 18:55.18 | lokkju | is the Sun or the IBM sdk recommended for running tomcat5 on Sarge? also, which version - 1.5 or 5.0 |
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| 18:55.28 | lokkju | (that is, java sdk) |
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| 18:55.36 | stew | quest_: no, you should run m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 |
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| 18:56.07 | bibe | slam : I see -686-smp has CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y and CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 18:56.20 | stew | quest_: but if you want to switch to a 2.6 kernel that is fine too, i don't care |
| 18:56.29 | Andy837 | nkuttler: the net doesn't work from the machine |
| 18:56.32 | quest_ | stew, with 2.4.27 kernel? you also said that you don't know if it works |
| 18:56.37 | nkuttler | Andy837: ... define net |
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| 18:57.02 | stew | quest_: actually, looking at apt-cache show ipw2200-source it says you must use 2.6 |
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| 18:57.09 | slam | bibe...thanks...didn't see that one. I'll try using that kernel. |
| 18:57.29 | LootBeer | can anyone teacg me how to reconfigure my lilo as i think i screwed up my mbr... pls help |
| 18:57.33 | stew | !ipw2200 is also ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:57.34 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:57.34 | quest_ | stew, what is the differnece from linux-image and kernel-image? |
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| 18:57.55 | stew | quest_: kernel-image is for stable linux-image is for testing/unstable |
| 18:58.23 | Andy837 | nkuttler: i open the browser and i cannot connect to google.co.uk |
| 18:58.46 | nkuttler | Andy837: can you ping 216.239.39.104 ? |
| 18:58.54 | quest_ | stew, i'm running testing, so i should install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 ? |
| 18:59.00 | stew | yes |
| 18:59.09 | Andy837 | yes |
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| 18:59.26 | bibe | slam : it has support for multiple cpus, but there's no problem in using it on a single-cpu system |
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| 18:59.32 | Andy837 | hmm its working now!!! |
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| 19:00.10 | bibe | adii : groupadd mine, useradd -g mine me |
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| 19:00.21 | quest_ | stew, installing. thank you for the moment |
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| 19:02.08 | adii | bibe : it requires "me" not to exist . me already exists |
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| 19:03.21 | bibe | adii : then use 'usermod -g mine me' |
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| 19:03.29 | bibe | or better |
| 19:03.31 | nkuttler | adii: adduser user group even |
| 19:03.44 | adii | okay that works :) |
| 19:03.44 | bibe | adii : or, better, use 'vigr' |
| 19:03.45 | adii | thanks |
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| 19:04.52 | Andy837 | how do i change root's password |
| 19:05.01 | dondelelcaro | Andy837: su; passwd; |
| 19:05.02 | nkuttler | Andy837: passwd |
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| 19:06.55 | hyso | Hi |
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| 19:07.31 | hyso | I am trying to install debian sarge on a athlon 64 with nforce4 chipset and the installation was really slow when using the sata hd... |
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| 19:07.34 | Azar | when using ls or less , what is the option parameter to view the print one screen at a time? |
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| 19:08.44 | hyso | Is there something I can do to make the installation faster? |
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| 19:08.46 | caphuso | Azar: for ls it's "append | less". for less: what the heck are you talking about? |
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| 19:09.08 | Fox_1_ | i reinstall windows after that my grub don't work. now how can i make floppy disk with grub then boot to debian and reconfigure grub? i have an other computer with debian 3.1?? |
| 19:09.19 | Azar | caphuso: for less when I view huge log files, and it won't scroll up all the way |
| 19:09.22 | kikinovak | Hi. Anyone knows how I can find a module in make menuconfig after his name? I'm looking for i810_tco... no way to find that beast |
| 19:09.38 | caphuso | Azar: what are you doing? |
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| 19:09.51 | Azar | caphuso taking the Shell scripting class |
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| 19:09.52 | thc | Fox_1_: make a grub floppy and use that to reinstall grub |
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| 19:09.58 | Azar | trying to learn to configure my shell |
| 19:10.09 | _gentgeen_ | Compiling from source, I get "Can't find libraries (or headers) of "gtk+". " Which package do I need to install (there are so many libgtk packages)? |
| 19:10.14 | loxley_ | Azar: | more |
| 19:10.17 | caphuso | Azar: and what exactly are you doing with less that you can't scroll up? |
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| 19:10.24 | Fox_1_ | thc i haven't grub floppy |
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| 19:10.51 | Azar | ah caphuso when I try to read huge log files it scrolls up all the way down and trying to view the top sometimes is not possible |
| 19:10.53 | thc | Fox_1_: hence why i said "make a grub floppy" |
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| 19:11.05 | Fox_1_ | thc how? |
| 19:11.13 | Azar | caphuso: Shift PgUP |
| 19:11.14 | caphuso | Azar: *how* not *what* |
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| 19:11.33 | Subvertir | Hi, I'm getting the error "Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" in a PHP script I'm trying to run. The php4 and php4-mysql packages are installed, any idea what the problem is? |
| 19:11.35 | caphuso | Azar: duh |
| 19:11.35 | Boy-18 | hellow |
| 19:11.42 | stew | Azar: hit 'g' (or 'h' for a list of keybindings) |
| 19:11.45 | caphuso | Azar: use less to scroll, not your terminal |
| 19:11.48 | Azar | caphuso is only scrolling up to 4 screens up |
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| 19:11.55 | caphuso | Azar: go read its documentation |
| 19:11.56 | thc | Fox_1_: http://www.openbg.net/sto/os/xml/grub.html |
| 19:11.57 | abrotman | Subvertir: do you have libapache-mod-php4 and php4-cli installed ? |
| 19:12.02 | Azar | ok thanks |
| 19:12.04 | thc | !beer abrotman |
| 19:12.11 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:12.17 | thc | ohhh a profane beer even |
| 19:12.18 | Kolazomai | hey ho |
| 19:12.23 | hyso | Is debian sarge supposed to work well on a nforce4 chipset motherboard? |
| 19:12.37 | Subvertir | well apache is executing the php4 script, so I assume that mod-php4 is installed (safe?) and I'll try php4-cli |
| 19:12.41 | Subvertir | and I didn't write the script |
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| 19:12.44 | abrotman | nothign works well with nforce4 |
| 19:12.54 | abrotman | Subvertir: that's not what i asked .. do you have them both installed ? |
| 19:12.54 | Azar | well I am at man ls, trying to figure out all those options |
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| 19:12.58 | hyso | abrotman, :( |
| 19:13.04 | abrotman | Subvertir: i don't want you to install it for no reason |
| 19:13.07 | Kolazomai | hey , I have a question: Is there a autostart for GNOME for a shellscript ? |
| 19:13.10 | abrotman | hyso: sorry .. i was joking :) |
| 19:13.19 | Azar | need to free some space on my brains to memorize all the options list |
| 19:13.27 | hyso | abrotman, ok |
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| 19:13.36 | abrotman | Subvertir: ? |
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| 19:14.01 | hyso | abrotman, do you know about problems with the installation in sata drivers? |
| 19:14.09 | Subvertir | yeah, they're installed now |
| 19:14.19 | hyso | It is still creating the partitions... it takes too long :( |
| 19:14.24 | abrotman | Subvertir: why don't you actually READ what i typed ? |
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| 19:14.37 | abrotman | Subvertir: i NEVER said to install them both |
| 19:14.51 | Subvertir | well they're installed now. |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman | well .. i guess you're on your own now .. |
| 19:15.06 | Subvertir | alright, dude, look |
| 19:15.10 | Subvertir | if you want to be a prick just don't answer me |
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| 19:15.18 | Subvertir | it's not difficult |
| 19:15.43 | thc | awww, someone ate their wheaties in urine this morning |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | Subvertir: all you had to do was CHECK IN THE damn php.ini .. to make sure it says extension=mysql.so or whatever fucking line it is .. instead .. you failed to let me finish and just go install random crap .. so check /etc/php/apache/php.ini or /etc/php/apache2/php.ini or /etc/php/php-cli(?)/php.ini |
| 19:16.18 | Andy837 | where do i put the command for VNC so that it runs on boot of debian |
| 19:16.24 | Andy837 | initd.conf? |
| 19:16.27 | abrotman | Subvertir: apparently you can't read .. don't be an idiot |
| 19:16.35 | Subvertir | how the hell is the apache module and a php 4 cli random crap? |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | Subvertir: do you need php-cli ? |
| 19:16.46 | Subvertir | they seem like perfectly reasonable things to install to me |
| 19:16.53 | Subvertir | I might, if I feel like making modifications to this script |
| 19:16.58 | abrotman | no .. you wouldn't |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | oyu don't even know what it does |
| 19:17.10 | Subvertir | you assume that I don't know what it does |
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| 19:17.19 | abrotman | Subvertir: regardless .. i've told you what you're looking for .. and where to find it .. enjoy |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | Subvertir: and next time someone asks you a quesiton .. answer them |
| 19:18.14 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman ever play with gambas? |
| 19:18.17 | grendal_prime | pretty cool |
| 19:18.23 | abrotman | grendal_prime: sounds familiar .. but no |
| 19:18.49 | grendal_prime | http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:18.59 | grendal_prime | uses qt and basic compiler |
| 19:19.05 | grendal_prime | very similar to vb |
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| 19:19.16 | grendal_prime | oop |
| 19:19.29 | grendal_prime | pretty cool for banging out simple little apps |
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| 19:19.46 | stew | 10 print hello ; : goto 10 |
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| 19:19.47 | abrotman | grendal_prime: if you like KDE/Qt |
| 19:19.55 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 19:19.56 | dpkg | well, gazpacho is A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade> |
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| 19:20.26 | grendal_prime | even has a packaging system built into it and you can select differnt distros to build for |
| 19:20.30 | stew | gazpacho is also a delicious cold soup made from tomoatoes and cucumbers |
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| 19:20.42 | kioto | hi all my friends :D |
| 19:20.44 | Andy837 | what is the earliest point i can load VNC (what file do i add the command to)? |
| 19:21.05 | grendal_prime | well im trying to write apps for my zaurus |
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| 19:21.24 | arxangelos | buonaserra! ragazzi :-) |
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| 19:21.54 | HyperZid | hi.. I got a strange error after I just compiled 2.6.14.. and booted up.. : Detecting hardware: ata3: command timeout, ATA: abnormal status 0xFF on port +xE08C431C, ata3: status=0xff { Busy } |
| 19:22.14 | quest_ | arxangelos, me ena S |
| 19:22.28 | grendal_prime | zaurus is qt |
| 19:22.33 | arxangelos | quest me ena to egrapsa :> |
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| 19:22.37 | grendal_prime | well the opie enviro is... |
| 19:22.40 | kioto | i have further the name of the script that debian execute to configure samba |
| 19:22.58 | yang | If i type netstat I cant get a full IPv6 address, how can i specify to see the full address? |
| 19:23.00 | quest_ | quest_, opsss.. me ena R sorry :) |
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| 19:23.16 | HyperZid | anyone know what that error means? |
| 19:23.23 | HyperZid | what have I done wrong.. |
| 19:23.42 | abrotman | grendal_prime: afaik .. so is the real zaurus os |
| 19:23.55 | arxangelos | me dio to egrapsa :-p |
| 19:23.58 | arxangelos | kamia sxesi |
| 19:24.17 | quest_ | arxangelos, e lathos ekanes :)) |
| 19:24.24 | arxangelos | apo pou ise? |
| 19:24.25 | Dionisas | ? |
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| 19:24.46 | quest_ | arxangelos, italos, alla zw sthn kypro |
| 19:24.54 | arxangelos | quest kai ego italos ime |
| 19:24.56 | arxangelos | ela ligo prive |
| 19:24.58 | quest_ | brosioz, ciao |
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| 19:25.22 | thc | english please |
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| 19:25.28 | arxangelos | oops sorry guys :-P |
| 19:25.34 | HMS | can anyone tell me how to find my public ip address on my linux box? |
| 19:25.35 | arxangelos | åååå ìå ôá áããëéêá... |
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| 19:26.05 | grendal_prime | abrotman, ya...the original is qt as well...other thing...he that gtk builder set does not support basic...has python but dont seea way to use...basic in it |
| 19:26.15 | arxangelos | quest where are you? |
| 19:26.19 | quest_ | stew, i installed the kernel, now what can i do for the wireless card? |
| 19:26.27 | abrotman | grendal_prime: don't ask me .. Qt is the devil |
| 19:26.44 | quest_ | arxangelos, sou egrapsa private, den to eides? |
| 19:26.47 | grendal_prime | really? |
| 19:26.57 | arxangelos | quest oxi... |
| 19:27.01 | grendal_prime | well not nearly as close to HELL as vb |
| 19:27.18 | quest_ | arxangelos, dokimase esy na grapseis emena |
| 19:27.24 | arxangelos | quest egrapsa... |
| 19:27.28 | arxangelos | treis sires |
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| 19:27.43 | thc | dude. can you guys take that somewhere else? this is an english speaking channel. |
| 19:27.45 | bibe | HMS : wget http://www.wavetechno.com/whatismyipaddress.asp; cat whatismyipaddress.asp |
| 19:27.53 | arxangelos | sory thc |
| 19:27.56 | arxangelos | sorry thc |
| 19:28.10 | bibe | quest_ : what wireless card? |
| 19:28.15 | HMS | thanks |
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| 19:28.27 | stew | quest_: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ; m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 |
| 19:28.29 | arxangelos | quest_ says because iam not registred |
| 19:28.30 | quest_ | arxangelos, i didn't get your messages... does anyone know if private messages are possbile? |
| 19:28.35 | stew | quest_: do you use udev or hotplug? |
| 19:28.50 | thc | arxangelos: /msg nickserv help |
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| 19:29.11 | thc | quest_: you can't get messages from unregistered users without a special umode |
| 19:29.14 | quest_ | stew, don't know |
| 19:29.27 | arxangelos | quest_ i've registered |
| 19:29.36 | stew | quest_: dpkg -l hotplug udev ; which one starts with "ii" |
| 19:29.36 | quest_ | arxangelos, i don't :) |
| 19:29.43 | arxangelos | quest_ make a quick one |
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| 19:30.09 | quest_ | arxangelos, how? |
| 19:30.19 | arxangelos | quest_ /ns register (password) |
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| 19:30.52 | arxangelos | quest_ ok? |
| 19:31.07 | quest_ | i read what you said, can't you read? |
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| 19:31.14 | arxangelos | no... |
| 19:31.35 | arxangelos | quest_ make first register and then |
| 19:31.55 | quest_ | stew, udev |
| 19:32.04 | arxangelos | jemand von deutschland? |
| 19:32.15 | arxangelos | oops sorry i forgot |
| 19:32.29 | marculix | arxangelos: why? |
| 19:32.40 | arxangelos | iam germanitalian :-) |
| 19:32.49 | arxangelos | my mother tongue is german and i grew up there |
| 19:32.55 | stew | quest_: then make sure to put the firmware for your card in /l/firmware/ |
| 19:33.00 | Tortel | #debian.de |
| 19:33.01 | stew | err /lib/firmware |
| 19:33.32 | sridevisomu | exit |
| 19:33.38 | quest_ | stew, /l/firmware? |
| 19:33.40 | Tortel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.09 | stew | quest_: /lib/firmware |
| 19:34.31 | quest_ | stew, and where i get the firmaware? |
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| 19:34.58 | stew | quest_: ipw2200.sf.net make sure you get one that matches the ipw2200-source version |
| 19:35.00 | HyperZid | Detecting hardware: ata3: command timeout <-- what can that mean? |
| 19:35.23 | skiflyer | Does anyone know what settings need to be changed in exim4.conf.template to change the port exim4 uses to contact the smarthost? |
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| 19:35.52 | TwistedEmotions | I am trying to send an email through my companies email server and now everyone is getting the message... Requested action aborted: error in processing Server replied: 451 Error: queue file write error |
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| 19:36.16 | stew | is the spool volume out of room? |
| 19:36.20 | stew | TwistedEmotions: ^^ |
| 19:36.30 | TwistedEmotions | stew: let me check |
| 19:36.41 | stew | i will let you |
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| 19:37.08 | TwistedEmotions | stew: hah thanks... I dont see any drives that are at 100%.. |
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| 19:37.46 | quest_ | stew, and how do i know which one mathces? |
| 19:38.01 | TwistedEmotions | stew: Is there a certain process I should be looking at to find the error? |
| 19:38.17 | Mr-R | TwistedEmotions: maybe just the inodes? or the controller set the media read only? |
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| 19:39.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:39.08 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 19:39.29 | stew | quest_: if you have ipw2200 version 0.21 then you would download the firmware that said 'driver versions v0.19-v1.0.3:' next to it |
| 19:39.57 | quest_ | stew, how do i know the version of ipw2200 i have installed? |
| 19:39.59 | stew | TwistedEmotions: /var/log/mail.log or /var/log/exim/mainlog or whereever your mailer is set to log to |
| 19:40.06 | stew | quest_: dpkg -l ipw2200-source |
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| 19:40.11 | stew | TwistedEmotions: check permissions as well |
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| 19:40.34 | kioto | bye all |
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| 19:41.23 | sridevisomu | exit |
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| 19:42.26 | abrotman | mmm .. staff ... |
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| 19:42.37 | quest_ | stew, i can't find the package |
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| 19:43.05 | stew | quest_: if you have ever run m-a a-i ipw2200 on that machine, you would have it |
| 19:43.25 | stew | quest_: and i gather you have run it before |
| 19:43.33 | PhoenixMan | Hello. I have a question. In /etc/adduser.conf, can I input commands which have to be executed when a new user is added? I want to create a "public_html" directory in the directory of a new user, and chmod this to 755? |
| 19:43.37 | quest_ | stew, i deleted everything yesterday because i was desperate, and i reistalled evetything today |
| 19:43.52 | PhoenixMan | Basically, I want to create a public_html directory in the users directory when I use adduser. Is this possible, and if so, how? |
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| 19:44.12 | stew | PhoenixMan: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html |
| 19:44.15 | asg | PhoenixMan: there is an adduser.local you can create that adduser will run. Man adduser |
| 19:44.19 | yang | If i type netstat I cant get a full IPv6 address, how can i specify to see the full address? |
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| 19:44.21 | kuda | i´ve installed xfree86 how do i configure it? |
| 19:44.25 | Zambba | How can I set up 1024x768 @ 85 Hz display mode? |
| 19:44.34 | stew | PhoenixMan: the /etc/skel directory is copied to the new users home directory |
| 19:44.34 | yang | kuda: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:44.45 | Gankutsuou | what is the pkg for kde called/ |
| 19:44.48 | stew | Zambba: ^^^ |
| 19:44.53 | asg | Gankutsuou: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 19:44.55 | kuda | yang: let me see |
| 19:45.31 | Zambba | stew: Well, I know how to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. The problem is that the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give me 1024x768@85Hz to select at "Medium" |
| 19:45.45 | Gankutsuou | ah ty |
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| 19:46.05 | hell | ÕÔÒÏ |
| 19:46.20 | stew | Zambba: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; and / or enter the correct sync rates for your monitor |
| 19:46.28 | stew | Zambba: are you sure your monitor is capable of that mode? |
| 19:46.31 | hell | sorry |
| 19:46.34 | Zambba | Yes I am sure |
| 19:46.35 | quest_ | quest_, how come i can't see the ipw2200 package? should i add something in sources.list something? |
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| 19:46.37 | PhoenixMan | Okay. As for permissions... /etc/skel/public_html is chowned to root and chmodded to 755. Once it has been copied, will it be automatically chowned to the new user? Will it also chmod it? |
| 19:46.52 | stew | quest_: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 19:46.53 | Zambba | I have used that mode. My display is Compaq 7500 and it's just about 2 or 3 years old |
| 19:46.57 | Zambba | 17" |
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| 19:47.55 | PhoenixMan | Okay. As for permissions... /etc/skel/public_html is chowned to root and chmodded to 755. Once it has been copied, will it be automatically chowned to the new user? Will it also chmod it? |
| 19:47.58 | gbdrbob | hello |
| 19:48.09 | sridevisomu | Hello, my apt-sources.list outputs errors when I run apt-get update; tried apt-setup to change the sources list, however, the command is unrecognized. Can anyone assist? |
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| 19:48.27 | gbdrbob | anyone able to help with a openvpn (debian specific I think) problem? |
| 19:48.33 | resiak | sridevisomu: apt-setup as root? What version of Debian is this? |
| 19:48.35 | stew | PhoenixMan: i think so / i don't think so |
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| 19:48.56 | sridevisomu | resiak, this is Sarge. |
| 19:48.59 | tummyacid | can anyone help me run v4l-conf i downloaded it but it wont run from the command line |
| 19:49.00 | stew | sridevisomu: /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
| 19:49.04 | gbdrbob | I can't get th /dev/net/tun device working |
| 19:49.57 | quest_ | stew, what is the difference on using hotplug or udev ? |
| 19:50.01 | PhoenixMan | How do I make a command be executed when the machine boots up (not when someone logs in, but when it boots up)? |
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| 19:50.08 | kuda | when i start X |
| 19:50.22 | PhoenixMan | I have a server which needs to be running but I have to start it by typing "source host.start". |
| 19:50.24 | sridevisomu | stew, /usr/sbin/apt-setup returns "No such file or directory." |
| 19:50.26 | kuda | it appears a error |
| 19:50.38 | asg | PhoenixMan: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 19:50.38 | kuda | about /dev/input/mice not found |
| 19:50.41 | stew | quest_: there are many differences, but as far as this is concerned for hotplug the firmware would go in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware instead |
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| 19:51.26 | quest_ | stew, is is better to install hotplug? |
| 19:51.26 | stew | sridevisomu: what does "dpkg -l base-config | tail -1" return? |
| 19:51.47 | stew | quest_: no |
| 19:52.00 | stew | quest_: do you run gnome? |
| 19:52.09 | quest_ | stew, no, kde |
| 19:52.14 | sridevisomu | #flood stew, "pn base-config <none> (no description available)" |
| 19:52.46 | stew | sridevisomu: that is why. i don't know why on earth you would have purged the base-config pacakge |
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| 19:53.12 | sridevisomu | stew, can I get it back and running? |
| 19:53.29 | flora | is it possible to apt-get upgrade postgres to 8.1 without changing from stable to woody? |
| 19:53.32 | stew | sridevisomu: apt-get install base-config |
| 19:53.48 | stew | sridevisomu: if apt-get isn't working then download it from packages.debian.org/base-config |
| 19:53.54 | PhoenixMan | Alright I don't get it. How do I make a command "source /home/hostserver/host/host.start" be executed? |
| 19:54.07 | PhoenixMan | Actually I want it to be executed as the user "hostserver". Is this possible, and if so, how? |
| 19:54.46 | asg | PhoenixMan: /etc/init.d/README (use /etc/init.d/skeleton as an example) |
| 19:54.54 | stew | flora: postgres8 isn't available in either stable or woody |
| 19:55.21 | flora | stew: do you know why not? the postres guys say it was stable 6 mos before sarge came out |
| 19:55.24 | sridevisomu | stew, "apt-get install base-config" returns "E: Package base-config has no installation candidate" |
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| 19:55.43 | abrotman | flora: because pgsql's stable and debian's stable may not agree |
| 19:55.44 | asg | flora: upstream and Debian often disagree on what 'stable' means |
| 19:55.50 | stew | flora: postgres was released about 3 years after woody was and too soon before stable for it to make it into stable |
| 19:55.59 | Andy837 | can i use apt-get to get a password manager (for user accounts) on KDE? |
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| 19:56.47 | asg | Andy837: apt-cache search password manager |
| 19:57.08 | stew | sridevisomu: then your /etc/apt/sources.list is broken. you either fix that manually or download base-config from pacakges.debian.org, install it and run apt-setup |
| 19:57.17 | phaedrus_ | anyone wanna help me get this usb key and mouse going? |
| 19:57.21 | stew | sridevisomu: paste your sources.list to #flood or a pastebin, (don't paste here) |
| 19:57.38 | asg | phaedrus_: /msg dpkg usb-storage ; /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 19:57.44 | phaedrus_ | ok |
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| 19:57.55 | sridevisomu | Thanks alot Stew. |
| 19:58.02 | r3gii | something for wav files? |
| 19:58.33 | Andy837 | any reason why i can't connect to my debian box using port 22 (SSH)? |
| 19:58.38 | phaedrus_ | no such file or directory is what i get in console |
| 19:58.43 | quest_ | stew, i have ipw2200-source 1.0.8-1, but looking at the firware site i can just see till 1.0.7, what shoud i do ? |
| 19:59.13 | stew | quest_: use the one that says "1.0.7 and newer" |
| 19:59.17 | stew | ... |
| 19:59.42 | stew | Andy837: are you sure anything is listening on port 22? (/msg dpkg open ports) |
| 20:00.19 | tummyacid | can anyone tell me how to run v4l-conf? i downloaded it but it says 'screen not found' if i run it from term, how can i run this program? |
| 20:00.28 | tummyacid | i do have x installed btw |
| 20:00.32 | sridevisomu | back |
| 20:00.33 | phaedrus_ | dpkg returns with a message that i need an action option |
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| 20:00.40 | yang | If i type netstat I cant get a full IPv6 address, how can i specify to see the full address? |
| 20:00.41 | stew | d3x7r0: turn that off in here, please |
| 20:00.45 | sridevisomu | exit |
| 20:00.48 | HyperZid | anyone know what could cause this error msg on bootup: ATA: abnormal status 0xFF on port +xE08C431C |
| 20:00.50 | tummyacid | error is 'con't open x11 display :0.0 |
| 20:00.54 | HyperZid | it just hangs:\ |
| 20:00.56 | d3x7r0 | sorry stew :$ |
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| 20:01.12 | stew | tummyacid: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 20:01.15 | Andy837 | nothing is listening on port 22..... |
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| 20:01.41 | stew | Andy837: on which version of debian? did you install ssh? |
| 20:02.02 | Andy837 | debian sarge.... dunno if its installed! |
| 20:02.03 | quest_ | stew, i uncompressed all the files in the tgz in /lib/firmware, now ? |
| 20:02.18 | stew | Andy837: apt-get install ssh ; if that is already installed dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 20:02.21 | HyperZid | i'm trying to compile my own kernel.. 2.6.14 |
| 20:02.26 | stew | quest_: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 20:02.41 | stew | !wayc HyperZid |
| 20:02.42 | dpkg | HyperZid: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 20:03.10 | Andy837 | ok |
| 20:03.20 | FliesLikeABrick | what kernel should be used on an AMD Duron? |
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| 20:03.25 | HyperZid | stew, because I got told here yesturday my sata card was supported after 2.6.12 |
| 20:03.30 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: -k7 |
| 20:03.33 | quest_ | stew, there is something i didn't understand. i have a precompiled kernel, but dpkg says that i also need kernel source, should i download it? are the kernel source and the precompiled indipendent? |
| 20:03.33 | FliesLikeABrick | thank you |
| 20:03.35 | helix | hmm is .14 not in sarge? |
| 20:03.41 | NOthsouth | my normal user, can't open nautilus anymore .. i don't know what hapens. . |
| 20:03.42 | helix | HyperZid: are you running sarge? or..? |
| 20:03.43 | stew | HyperZid: why are you compiling instead of using the debian package? |
| 20:03.49 | HyperZid | helix, yes |
| 20:03.50 | NOthsouth | I can't click with the right buton too |
| 20:03.53 | NOthsouth | ondesktop |
| 20:04.01 | helix | stew: presumably because .14 isn't in sarge? |
| 20:04.04 | NOthsouth | my desktop icons desapears |
| 20:04.08 | HyperZid | stew, which debian package got 2.6.12+ |
| 20:04.10 | HyperZid | ? |
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| 20:04.14 | doub | quest_, you probably installed some external packaged module, which lists source as a dependency |
| 20:04.18 | HyperZid | helix, exactly |
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| 20:04.27 | tummyacid | i tried using dpkg's helpful hint but im still getting the same error |
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| 20:04.34 | FliesLikeABrick | how do i find out what kernel is currently booted? |
| 20:04.39 | stew | helix: i spent a few hours with him yesterday, and he has not after several hours of trying been able to boot a self compiled kernel and has no good reasons not to use a debian compiled one |
| 20:04.45 | doleyb | FliesLikeABrick: uname -a |
| 20:04.50 | quest_ | doub, i was reading what dpkg says about ipw2200 |
| 20:04.58 | helix | stew: well I gather the one he needs is not in a stable repo |
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| 20:05.07 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks a bunch, simple questions |
| 20:05.16 | helix | I don't know if grabbing the source from testing/unstable and rebuilding would work |
| 20:05.18 | r3gii | im looking for something to run wav files in kde... |
| 20:05.20 | helix | I guess it might? |
| 20:05.40 | stew | helix: it would if you have gcc4 which he does |
| 20:05.41 | doleyb | r3gii: kplayer, noautun, kaboodle, amarok... etc etc. |
| 20:05.42 | HyperZid | stew, I've fixed the no root fs thingie which was wrong yesturday.. no its another thing which dosnt work |
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| 20:06.29 | doub | quest_, oh ok. so that's the reason : the driver source package probably needs the kernel source to be compiled properly |
| 20:07.00 | doub | quest_, but that should not be the case of the binary package |
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| 20:07.15 | mamican58 | tukce yok muj |
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| 20:07.17 | mamican58 | tukce yok muj |
| 20:07.20 | mamican58 | tukce yok muj |
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| 20:07.25 | zucker7 | is it possible to do an install from a livecd? (i really need to do an install, have no access to a cd burner and won't for a long time, but i have a livecd) |
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| 20:07.36 | HyperZid | stew, I got told it existed backports for 2.6.12 |
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| 20:07.48 | abrotman | !tell zucker7 about debootstrap |
| 20:07.54 | quest_ | doub, but if i have installed the procompiled kernel. using the source won't create conflicts? will debian use both kernels (source and precompiled) ? |
| 20:07.58 | HyperZid | stew, but why not just try to fix this kernel up.. its just a matter of loading the right modules.. |
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| 20:08.53 | doleyb | Someone know udev rules? I am trying to get usb devices with vendor="056a" to always show as same /dev/input thing (regardless of what else is plugged in already) |
| 20:09.15 | kyosomos | i want lick a pussy |
| 20:09.30 | doleyb | The rule I tried (has no visible effect): KERNEL="event[0-9]*", SYSFS{idVendor}="056a", NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK="input/wacom%e" |
| 20:09.34 | doub | quest_, the kernel source is only used once, when you compile the module source. it's totally useless otherwise. the simplest case when you do such a thing is to use the kernel source for your running kernel |
| 20:09.36 | HyperZid | stew, i've been looking alot into this problem.. and corrected one problem.. now the kernel actually finds the root filesystem.. |
| 20:10.16 | doub | quest_, if they don't match, it might work. or not. |
| 20:10.18 | HyperZid | stew, I just wonder what could be the reason for that other msg I got now.. Detecting hardware: ata3: command timeout, ATA: abnormal status 0xFF on port +xE08C431C, ata3: status=0xff { Busy } |
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| 20:10.46 | quest_ | doub, so if i install the source, use it to create module for wireless and install it should work? |
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| 20:11.09 | stew | HyperZid: sorry i don't know what that means |
| 20:11.27 | doub | quest_, well, there might be quite some other kind of problems on the way, but that might, yes. |
| 20:11.46 | HyperZid | ok.. maybe I should try to install 2.6.12 from backports.. anyone know where I can find that one? |
| 20:11.49 | stew | HyperZid: but whenever i've seen messages similar to that it was a hardware problem not a software problem |
| 20:12.08 | HyperZid | stew, ouch.. okay.. |
| 20:12.48 | doub | quest_, the most simple thing to do if you can, is to use a pre-compiled module, if you're not keen on compiling stuff, and dealing with dependencies, compilers, and such things |
| 20:12.56 | HyperZid | maybe I should try to compile most things as a module.. |
| 20:13.15 | HyperZid | since i've compiled all needed things into the kernel now |
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| 20:13.38 | HyperZid | even the sata card.. which aint working in my current kernel.. |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | why is he compiling a kernel again ? |
| 20:13.44 | quest_ | doub, the problem is that i can't find the pre-compiled module, and stew told me that the one from knoppix won't work |
| 20:14.00 | Andy837 | how do i configure the port that vncserver runs on? |
| 20:14.17 | abrotman | Andy837: probably the conf file ? |
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| 20:14.32 | HyperZid | abrotman, because I need support for: Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20518/PDC40518 (SATAII 150 TX4) (rev 02) |
| 20:14.34 | Andy837 | abrotman: location... |
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| 20:14.57 | doub | quest_, what version of debian are you using (sarge, sid, testing)? |
| 20:14.59 | abrotman | Andy837: /etc/ ? |
| 20:14.59 | nkuttler | Andy837: start in /usr/share/doc/packagename, then /etc/packagename* |
| 20:15.12 | abrotman | HyperZid: and which kernel has support for that ? |
| 20:15.16 | stew | quest_: did you install a linux-headers pacakge? |
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| 20:15.38 | stew | quest_: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:15.50 | quest_ | stew, yes, you told me before and i did it |
| 20:16.00 | HyperZid | abrotman, 2.6.12+ |
| 20:16.04 | Andy837 | everything in vnc.conf is commented out!? |
| 20:16.07 | stew | thats all you need then, you don't need sources |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | HyperZid: did you think to just grab a 2.6.12 from etch ? |
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| 20:16.32 | stew | abrotman: i've tried this line of reasoning with him and it doesn't work |
| 20:16.37 | HyperZid | abrotman, yes.. thats exactly what I just asked for.. but I need the backports.. I use sarge |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | HyperZid: need the backports of what ? |
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| 20:17.32 | HyperZid | hum.. does it work to just grab it directly from etch.. when using stable? |
| 20:17.32 | abrotman | stew: which CPU ? |
| 20:17.42 | Tenkawa | whats the added argument to apt-get to specify build options? |
| 20:17.59 | blondie | --eat-glue |
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| 20:18.02 | abrotman | HyperZid: what cpu ? |
| 20:18.14 | quest_ | stew, apt-get told me: E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 20:18.21 | albertux | hola |
| 20:18.26 | abrotman | linux-source-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 20:18.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:18.27 | albertux | alguien habla español |
| 20:18.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:18.39 | abrotman | HyperZid: WHAT CPU ? |
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| 20:18.58 | Andy837 | everything in vnc.conf is commented out!? |
| 20:19.03 | HyperZid | abrotman, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 |
| 20:19.13 | doub | quest_, you might want to give module-assistant a try, i just checked, sarge's m-a has the module you want. "apt-get install module-assistant" |
| 20:19.16 | HyperZid | CPU 2.40GHz |
| 20:19.34 | bgat | how can I reconfigure inittab to drop me right into a root bash shell on the console at boot? I mean, without even entering a password. |
| 20:19.35 | doleyb | Andy837: means that the values are all at defaults, you can uncomment any particular item you want different. |
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| 20:19.53 | quest_ | doub, i did it already. but i was following the instructions of dpkg just to avoid bad things |
| 20:20.06 | doub | quest_, but for it to work correctly, you must use a kernel that's in the debian repository for your distribution |
| 20:20.22 | HyperZid | abrotman, actually.. this morning.. I got told to install yaird_0.0.11-10.99.jones1_i386.deb |
| 20:20.23 | doub | quest_, or provide it your way |
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| 20:20.34 | abrotman | HyperZid: i have no idea what that is |
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| 20:20.48 | HyperZid | thats the only thing which is in the road to get the etch kernel working in stable.. |
| 20:20.49 | chris__ | do you guys know where my openoffice.org2 icons would be if i installed the package from their website and converted the rpms to debs? |
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| 20:21.04 | HyperZid | ..he said.. |
| 20:21.04 | resiak | chris__: That's probably a really, really bad idea, by the way. |
| 20:21.09 | quest_ | doub, i'm not expert. dpkg said i need kernel-source-$(uname -r) and i tried, but it failed |
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| 20:21.16 | chris__ | resiak: how else can i get if for sarge? |
| 20:21.20 | resiak | quest_: Try linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 20:21.25 | resiak | chris__: With considerable difficulty. |
| 20:21.35 | chris__ | resiak: that's what i thought ;) |
| 20:21.37 | HyperZid | abrotman, can you give me the line to put into sources.list to get that kernel? |
| 20:21.40 | abrotman | HyperZid: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb ; dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 20:21.40 | doub | quest_, well, maybe "linux-source-$(uname -r)" then |
| 20:21.50 | HyperZid | abrotman, even better.. thanks.. i'll try |
| 20:22.11 | abrotman | stew: why didn't he want to do that ? |
| 20:22.17 | quest_ | doub, i tried both, and it can't find it |
| 20:22.29 | resiak | Tenkawa: Why would it compile gcc4?! |
| 20:22.30 | doub | quest_, what version of debian are you using? |
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| 20:22.40 | Tenkawa | resiak: 'm bored |
| 20:22.47 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:22.48 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:22.57 | HyperZid | abrotman, I just didnt know which kernel I had to use.. and if that really was the problem.. |
| 20:23.00 | resiak | Tenkawa: Are you sure that apt-get is doing the compiling?! |
| 20:23.03 | Tenkawa | resiak: just thought I'd see how long it takes on my server |
| 20:23.06 | Tenkawa | resiak: yep |
| 20:23.13 | resiak | Tenkawa: Are you really sure? |
| 20:23.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:23.19 | quest_ | doub, testing |
| 20:23.21 | stew | quest_: linux-source not kernel-source |
| 20:23.29 | stew | quest_: wait, though |
| 20:23.33 | HyperZid | abrotman, or something.. or maybe I was too obsessed about getting the kernel to work;p |
| 20:23.36 | Tenkawa | yep |
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| 20:23.38 | Tenkawa | apt-get -b source gcc-4.0 |
| 20:23.39 | Gankutsuou | w00t gnome taking 8 hours |
| 20:23.40 | stew | quest_: you don't need linux-source as i've told you a few times |
| 20:23.44 | doub | quest_, is apt-get working properly otherwise? |
| 20:23.55 | doleyb | Tenkawa: you can use apt-build instead |
| 20:23.57 | stew | Tenkawa: why would you want to recompile gcc? |
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| 20:23.58 | Tenkawa | that and I see gcc wiping out oneof my 2 cpus |
| 20:24.00 | resiak | Tenkawa: Ah, point. |
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| 20:24.08 | Tenkawa | stew: I'm that bored |
| 20:24.10 | HyperZid | abrotman, do I need initrd with this kernel? |
| 20:24.17 | abrotman | HyperZid: do what i told you |
| 20:24.20 | Tenkawa | doleyb: yeah I know.. just kinda fun this way |
| 20:24.28 | quest_ | stew, i tried both, and it can't find. if i have the 2.6.12-1-686 is it the same if i install linux-source-2.6.12 ? |
| 20:24.41 | doleyb | Tenkawa: "I am doing something the hard way on purpose, how can I make it a little easier?" |
| 20:24.44 | abrotman | HyperZid: if you don't trust my advice .. ask someone else here to verify it |
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| 20:24.46 | mike_sol | recompiling gcc sounds about as fun as beating myself repeatedly with a truncheon |
| 20:24.50 | Tenkawa | doleyb: heheheheheheheh |
| 20:24.54 | stew | quest_: dont install linux-source, instal linux-headers |
| 20:25.00 | valdyn_ | quest_: no, not exactly the same |
| 20:25.05 | HyperZid | abrotman, I do.. just waitning untill it gets downloaded 50% now:) |
| 20:25.06 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: I almost did libc.. |
| 20:25.13 | Tenkawa | that wouldve been fun |
| 20:25.14 | stew | quest_: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:25.15 | quest_ | stew, so i should ignore what dpkg said? |
| 20:25.16 | mike_sol | Tenkawa, #gentoo is that way |
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| 20:25.20 | Tenkawa | ROFL |
| 20:25.29 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: I _KNEW_ that was coming |
| 20:25.39 | mike_sol | !ricer |
| 20:25.39 | dpkg | i heard ricer is at gentoo |
| 20:25.42 | mike_sol | hahaa |
| 20:26.09 | mike_sol | today, i don't like winbindd and samba. |
| 20:26.13 | doub | mike_sol, maybe because you never really tried beating yourself repeatedly with a truncheon |
| 20:26.24 | gbdrbob | anyone able to help with a openvpn (debian specific I think) problem? |
| 20:26.26 | gbdrbob | I can't get th /dev/net/tun device working |
| 20:26.28 | doleyb | Tenkawa: give gcc 2.96rh a try, then. |
| 20:26.34 | doub | mike_sol, what's a truncheon, by the way ? ;) |
| 20:26.37 | chris__ | any ideas on what i could search to find my openoffice.org2 icons? i tried whereis but that didn't seem to work |
| 20:26.42 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: any day I don't like using software that forces me to use smb communications |
| 20:26.44 | goil | where i can fing pvpgn statistic source |
| 20:26.46 | mike_sol | doub, it's like a cudgel |
| 20:26.48 | doleyb | doub: truncheon = nightstick |
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| 20:26.57 | chris__ | /usr/share/icons didn't show them |
| 20:27.02 | Tenkawa | doleyb: been there done that |
| 20:27.11 | robiT | chris__, find / -name |
| 20:27.12 | stew | !ipw2200 =~ s/kernel-source/kernel-headers/ |
| 20:27.13 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 20:27.14 | liable | chris__: /usr/share/pixmaps/.. |
| 20:27.15 | doub | chris__, dpkg -L <package name> might tell you |
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| 20:27.22 | mike_sol | Tenkawa, when i have the two linux machines in a room of a hundred windows boxes, you gotta use smb |
| 20:27.23 | doleyb | How can I make udev be more verbose when devices are plugged? |
| 20:27.29 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: true |
| 20:27.44 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: what issues are you running into? |
| 20:27.59 | stew | quest_: only the part where it said kernel-source, which you should read as linux-headers |
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| 20:28.09 | valdyn_ | doleyb: by editing /etc/udev/udev.conf and restarting udev |
| 20:28.19 | doleyb | valdyn_: and edit it to what? |
| 20:28.27 | valdyn_ | doleyb: READ it |
| 20:28.31 | doub | doleyb, sit down and pray, maybe? |
| 20:28.32 | mike_sol | Tenkawa, i just want to use my AD server as the password machine and this linux box be a well behaved member server |
| 20:28.38 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 20:28.48 | Tenkawa | active directory.. yeah,, thats a bugger |
| 20:28.58 | Tenkawa | not nearly as cooperative as PDC's were |
| 20:28.59 | quest_ | stew, i did it, and the run the comand dpkg said. and i have this now: FATAL: Could not rename /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/modules.dep.temp into /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 20:28.59 | mike_sol | windbind, kerb, single sign on, holy grail, bridge, questions three, favourite color and quest all that sort of thing |
| 20:29.02 | doleyb | valdyn_: there's only 4 entries in udev.conf, it's totally nonhelpful. udev_log=yes, ok. So now how to I make it tell any detail when things are plugged? |
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| 20:29.30 | valdyn_ | doleyb: your udev.conf isnt documented? |
| 20:29.42 | valdyn_ | doleyb: ( with comments ) ? |
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| 20:30.14 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: I haven't tried it personally on AD.. only the old NT style domains |
| 20:30.20 | stew | quest_: running that as root? |
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| 20:30.23 | doleyb | valdyn_: yes there are comments, but the file only appears to contain 5 values. Only one involves logging, and it's already set to "yes" (as per default). |
| 20:30.28 | quest_ | stew, yes |
| 20:30.29 | mike_sol | consider yourself lucky Tenkawa |
| 20:30.38 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: noted and agreed |
| 20:30.41 | mike_sol | maybe samba 4 will come out and have a fucking auto configurator thing |
| 20:30.50 | mike_sol | i shouldnt have to guess for three hours what the damn values are |
| 20:30.56 | doub | mike_sol, maybe this can help http://www.section6.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 20:30.56 | quest_ | there is a long list of thing, can i copy and paste in #flood? |
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| 20:31.07 | doleyb | valdyn_: i am looking for clues as to why rules aren't matching. |
| 20:31.07 | Tenkawa | mike_sol: keep thinking that.. keep at least one optimistic thought on it |
| 20:31.11 | kikinovak | Hi. At startup, my system is looking for a module named i810_tco. Currently configuring a 2.6.12 kernel from kernel.org on my Sarge, and there is no i810_tco module in there. Anybody knows about this? |
| 20:31.14 | Tenkawa | I know I've gien up optimisim |
| 20:31.18 | mike_sol | thanks doub |
| 20:31.50 | stew | quest_: does /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/modules.dep exists or modules.dep.temp? maybe check the bts |
| 20:31.50 | valdyn_ | doleyb: i probably have a newer udev, so if i just pasted the comment in mine that would probably not be useful, 'man udev' search for "udev_log" |
| 20:32.14 | doleyb | valdyn_: you are sid? |
| 20:32.24 | valdyn_ | doleyb: yes |
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| 20:32.38 | stew | sid and etch have the same udev |
| 20:32.53 | doleyb | valdyn_: so what can I set for udev_log that'll be more verbose than "yes" ? |
| 20:33.25 | quest_ | stew, modules.dep exixts, the dep.temp no |
| 20:33.29 | valdyn_ | doleyb: umm, did you read what i said above? "yes" isnt even a valid value for my udev |
| 20:33.41 | liable | doleyb: why dont you look at the man page like valdyn_ said? |
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| 20:34.04 | Dadd | Is it possibel to ping a port? |
| 20:34.10 | doleyb | liable: I have read the manpage of course. All I can see is: # udev_log - set to "yes" if you want logging, else "no" |
| 20:34.45 | liable | doleyb: hrm, ok, different to mine then. |
| 20:34.55 | SlayerXP | Dadd: yes, tcping |
| 20:35.06 | valdyn_ | liable: a manpage doesnt contain comments marked with # ) |
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| 20:35.23 | doleyb | valdyn_: the manpage does actually contain comments marked with # |
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| 20:36.21 | valdyn_ | doleyb: ok, i cant help you, not having access to sarge atm, valid values for my udev_log are err,info,debug |
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| 20:36.36 | andres_ | hola |
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| 20:37.57 | AnonymousHive | Even though flux is ultra-minimalist, I've fallen in love with it... |
| 20:38.07 | abrotman | bah .. blackbox .. fluxbox is for weenies |
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| 20:38.39 | andres_ | CHUPEN LA QUE CUELGA |
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| 20:38.52 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:38.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:39.03 | AnonymousHive | Why is flux for weenies? |
| 20:39.25 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.32 | valdyn_ | doleyb: ah, run 'udevmonitor' |
| 20:39.55 | TwistedEmotions | considering one is based off of the other.. that makes sense too. |
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| 20:40.09 | AnonymousHive | Twisted: Yea verily. |
| 20:40.25 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: and which is which ? |
| 20:40.37 | doleyb | valdyn_: udevmonitor is another thing that doesn't exist in stable. |
| 20:40.44 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I really dont remember... |
| 20:40.57 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: there is another box and they all stem from the same place |
| 20:41.02 | valdyn_ | doleyb: i see |
| 20:41.04 | abrotman | how can you not remember ... |
| 20:41.06 | abrotman | and it's openbox |
| 20:41.08 | TwistedEmotions | Openbox |
| 20:41.09 | TwistedEmotions | there |
| 20:41.10 | doleyb | valdyn_: i guess the older udev is brokey |
| 20:41.11 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
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| 20:41.37 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: and which came first ? |
| 20:41.44 | liable | the chicken! |
| 20:41.45 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: the chicken |
| 20:41.48 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 20:42.10 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I dont have the SLIGHTEST idea.. |
| 20:42.10 | mike_sol | i believe that what came first was that egg with legs from Garfield and Friends |
| 20:42.19 | mike_sol | kinda halfwy in between |
| 20:42.30 | doleyb | Oh well, here's a general question on udev: is it possible to imitate the behavior of /dev/input/mice , but for other things? Like js0 or event0? |
| 20:42.36 | TwistedEmotions | mike_sol: Smart thinking... never thought of that |
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| 20:42.46 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: blackbox was around for a long time before the other two appeared .. they came about because blackbox stalled .. |
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| 20:43.08 | Gankutsuou | how do you start gnome |
| 20:43.17 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Ahhh... ;) They all look and perform similarly.. so I enjoy using any.. |
| 20:43.18 | mike_sol | gnome-session? |
| 20:43.21 | mike_sol | i think |
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| 20:43.33 | skiflyer | Does anyone know what settings need to be changed in exim4.conf.template to change the port exim4 uses to contact the smarthost? |
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| 20:43.53 | abrotman | #exim might |
| 20:43.55 | Gankutsuou | Gtk-Warning |
| 20:44.02 | Gankutsuou | cannot open display |
| 20:44.11 | Skrotto | Put it in .xinitrc |
| 20:44.16 | mike_sol | Gankutsuou, are you root |
| 20:44.20 | Gankutsuou | yes |
| 20:44.26 | mike_sol | !lart Gankutsuou |
| 20:44.39 | mike_sol | dont be root |
| 20:44.42 | Gankutsuou | hmm is it useradd -m -G |
| 20:44.56 | mike_sol | adduser works fine in debian, and prompts you |
| 20:45.13 | doleyb | Gankutsuou: are you a space vampire? |
| 20:45.18 | Gankutsuou | yup |
| 20:45.24 | Gankutsuou | my real name is Edmond Dantes though |
| 20:45.27 | Gankutsuou | ironically |
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| 20:45.40 | sid_ | hola |
| 20:45.40 | mike_sol | whoa holy circles of hell batman |
| 20:45.48 | sid_ | i need help |
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| 20:45.53 | Gankutsuou | hmm |
| 20:45.55 | Gankutsuou | still doesn't work... |
| 20:45.59 | mike_sol | sid_, go ahead |
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| 20:46.16 | mike_sol | Gankutsuou, the preferred method of starting gnome is to let gdm do it |
| 20:46.21 | sid_ | the scsi disk on poweredge 2300 dell isnot work |
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| 20:46.28 | Gankutsuou | bah i'm in SH |
| 20:46.32 | Gankutsuou | yuck |
| 20:46.34 | gbdrbob | Anyone able to help with an openvpn (debian specific I think) problem? |
| 20:46.36 | gbdrbob | I can't get th /dev/net/tun device working |
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| 20:46.59 | mike_sol | sid_, that's likely a megaraid controller? |
| 20:47.10 | mike_sol | see if you have megaraid loaded in `lsmod` |
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| 20:47.26 | sid_ | but i cant view lsmod |
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| 20:47.35 | gbdrbob | it's due to the debian way of not linking /usr/include/linux to the current kernel headers |
| 20:47.41 | _jason | hi, does anyone know of a program that can emulate mouse buttons? (similar to xvkbd but for mouse buttons instead of keyboard buttons) thanks |
| 20:47.52 | mike_sol | sid_, why not |
| 20:47.52 | sid_ | i cant run nothing |
| 20:48.02 | mike_sol | what can you do |
| 20:48.06 | sid_ | i cant run the netinstaller |
| 20:48.27 | mike_sol | it doesnt see the disks eh? |
| 20:48.28 | TwistedEmotions | Question.. If I pull out my harddrive and move it to another computer... and attempt to boot from it will it boot? Or when you move HD's does it require a re-install like with other OS's? |
| 20:48.28 | mike_sol | okay |
| 20:48.36 | sid_ | idon't know really |
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| 20:48.40 | gbdrbob | sid_: can out mount your filesystem |
| 20:48.41 | gbdrbob | ? |
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| 20:48.51 | sid_ | ye |
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| 20:49.04 | gbdrbob | alt-f2 will get you a shell from withing the netinstaller |
| 20:49.07 | mike_sol | sid try http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=7118 |
| 20:49.19 | sid_ | ok thank |
| 20:49.21 | mike_sol | i use it on all my dell machines |
| 20:49.35 | mike_sol | yours is listed as supported |
| 20:49.58 | sid_ | but the kernel is very older version ... |
| 20:50.03 | sid_ | o no??? |
| 20:50.10 | Dadd | Is it possibel to ping a port? |
| 20:50.21 | sid_ | sorry, my english is sucks :) |
| 20:51.01 | gothtec | What do I need to install to get basic MySQL functionality? Like, the mysql command, database stuff... The parts of sql that are required to run phpbb, really |
| 20:51.09 | ziupiu | Dadd, yes, connecting to a server listening there |
| 20:51.10 | Gankutsuou | erm |
| 20:51.14 | Gankutsuou | i can't start :/ |
| 20:51.34 | Gankutsuou | pos processor |
| 20:51.43 | liable | Dadd: what do you want to do? |
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| 20:51.49 | nkuttler | gothtec: apt-get install phpbb should install all you need |
| 20:51.50 | gbdrbob | Twisted: all depends on the hardware and the kernel you have installed - if you have a custom kernel with only the modules for the specific hardware you're currenlty running on then no - if you have a stock kernel with lots of hardware support built into it then possibly |
| 20:51.58 | Dadd | liable: just send a simple ICMP to a port on a ip |
| 20:52.02 | sid_ | mike_sol, i try with this, but when i try to install the base system i can't found the packages |
| 20:52.07 | lekvar | I'm preparing to do an install on a wimpy machine and am looking for guidelines. Has anyone noticed informed guidelines on light desktop/workstation systems? GNOME is pretty much out of the question... |
| 20:52.10 | Dadd | liable: not telnet ip port |
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| 20:52.25 | Gankutsuou | i can't start gnome |
| 20:52.28 | Gankutsuou | hmm |
| 20:52.33 | gothtec | nkuttler: probably, but I don't want phpbb, just the mysql parts. I can see what it'll try to install, though, and pick the sql packages from there |
| 20:52.42 | Belgrade_boy | hello |
| 20:52.52 | Belgrade_boy | somebody for chat? |
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| 20:53.01 | liable | Dadd: for what purpose? |
| 20:53.04 | pislika | hello |
| 20:53.06 | pislika | help me pls |
| 20:53.13 | pislika | i have xfc.sh file |
| 20:53.22 | Dadd | liable: just testing, no DDos. |
| 20:53.22 | pislika | so just i want to thats file extract |
| 20:53.25 | gbdrbob | Anyone able to help with an openvpn (debian specific I think) problem? |
| 20:53.30 | pislika | so i need sh for extract command |
| 20:53.31 | lekvar | *along these lines, notices links2 seems to lack elinks's tabs. grrr* |
| 20:53.32 | gbdrbob | I can't get the /dev/net/tun device working |
| 20:54.01 | Belgrade_boy | ? |
| 20:54.03 | liable | pislika: ?? you open it with an editor. |
| 20:54.06 | mike_sol | wow okay what's happening in here |
| 20:54.17 | mike_sol | pislika, .sh files normally are executable |
| 20:54.27 | mike_sol | i'd make sure it's nothing harmful, and don't run it as root |
| 20:54.45 | mike_sol | but you can probably run it with 'sh xfc.sh' or 'chmod 755 xfc.sh; ./xfc.sh' |
| 20:54.48 | mz_work | gothtec: dunno about phpbb but something like: apt-get install mysql-common-4.1 mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 |
| 20:54.57 | Belgrade_boy | girls? |
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| 20:55.09 | mz_work | gothtec: then log in as root: # mysql -u root |
| 20:55.10 | liable | Belgrade_boy: no, go elsewhere. |
| 20:55.11 | mike_sol | Belgrade_boy, what do you need help with |
| 20:55.13 | pislika | i want to just extract |
| 20:55.21 | sid_ | i really i don't know its my first time |
| 20:55.21 | pislika | i dont want setyp |
| 20:55.22 | quest_ | Belgrade_boy, maybe you are in the wrong channel :) |
| 20:55.23 | gothtec | mz_work: thanks |
| 20:55.27 | pislika | just extract |
| 20:55.34 | mike_sol | pislika, is it a sharchive? |
| 20:55.40 | pislika | yes |
| 20:55.46 | mz_work | gothtec: be sure to set a password: mysqladmin -u root password '<your-password-here>' |
| 20:55.53 | mz_work | gothtec: mysql -u root -p |
| 20:56.05 | gothtec | mz_work: right |
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| 20:56.18 | mike_sol | pislika, 'unp' might work |
| 20:56.25 | Belgrade_boy | I need some girl for chat |
| 20:56.25 | Belgrade_boy | ! |
| 20:56.27 | mz_work | gothtec: oh and better apt-get install mysqladmin |
| 20:56.34 | mz_work | ^^ |
| 20:56.36 | mike_sol | !ops kick Belgrade_boy |
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| 20:56.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: kick Belgrade_boy |
| 20:56.43 | [FileFly] | hey folks =) |
| 20:56.44 | Belgrade_boy | ? |
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| 20:57.00 | mike_sol | :/ |
| 20:57.18 | mooed | lol |
| 20:57.20 | Gankutsuou | gmm gnome is not working with startx... |
| 20:57.22 | Gankutsuou | *hmm |
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| 20:57.36 | [FileFly] | I'm trying to install beagle and it appears im using too old packages, im guessing switching to "testing" would resolve this? If so how safe is that? I know on gentoo pretty much everyone runs ~x86 which is "unstable" equiv. Also, how would i switch to the "testing" repository? |
| 20:57.41 | mike_sol | Gankutsuou, is gnome-session installed properly |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | helix: chat .. not banning :) |
| 20:58.03 | mike_sol | !tell [FileFly] about testing |
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| 20:58.18 | Gankutsuou | it says cannot open display |
| 20:58.25 | Gankutsuou | as a non super user |
| 20:58.42 | chris__ | any possible ideas where my oo.org2 icons would be if not in /usr/share/fonts/gnome or /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 20:58.51 | chris__ | it's pissing me off cause i need to give them something |
| 20:58.56 | mike_sol | Gankutsuou, make sure you're running X as a normal user, and that you are running everything inside of it as that same user. |
| 20:59.05 | mike_sol | chris__, /usr/share/icons/??? |
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| 20:59.27 | chris__ | mike_sol: that's what i ment /usr/share/icons/gnome |
| 20:59.31 | mike_sol | chris__, or /usr/share/lib/openoffice??? |
| 20:59.35 | hype | i need help with internet connection, please help |
| 20:59.47 | mike_sol | the /lib hierarchies usually have that kind of stuff |
| 20:59.55 | hype | it calls, gives me ip and that's all |
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| 20:59.58 | chris__ | mike_sol: no such library |
| 21:00.01 | hype | what i have to do? |
| 21:00.13 | HyperZid | abrotman, I get this after trying that kernel: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported.. when running mii-tool.. the network dosnt work |
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| 21:00.56 | mz_work | chris__: /usr/share/icons/hicolor & locolor (i think) |
| 21:01.00 | abrotman | HyperZid: who cares .. is your drive controller seen ? |
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| 21:02.12 | HyperZid | abrotman, whats the module to modprobe again? |
| 21:02.24 | HyperZid | promise_sata or something |
| 21:02.34 | abrotman | HyperZid: NFC .. not my controller .. ask google |
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| 21:02.59 | HyperZid | abrotman, I remember someone said promise_sata.. or maybe sata_promise? |
| 21:03.12 | hype | who can help me? |
| 21:03.14 | HyperZid | any driver which is named that? |
| 21:03.17 | abrotman | maybe .. ask google |
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| 21:03.57 | chris__ | mz_work: nope not there either |
| 21:04.21 | mz_work | chris__: locate icon|grep openoffice ?? |
| 21:04.25 | chris__ | i installed openoffice.org2 from the oo.org website, convert the RPMs to DEBs...which i'm sure is why i am having this issue |
| 21:04.32 | chris__ | i wish their was a backport for sarge |
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| 21:04.52 | abrotman | chris__: THERE IS .. you were supposed to show me the errors HOURS ago |
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| 21:05.10 | chris__ | abrotman: fine... |
| 21:05.16 | chris__ | hold on i'll fetch it that way |
| 21:05.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:05.18 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:05.26 | mike_sol | abrotman, out of raw curiosity what's your time zone; as you're always on here when i am |
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| 21:05.46 | abrotman | mike_sol: Philly |
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| 21:05.56 | mike_sol | only a couple hours off then |
| 21:06.07 | blizzow | What kernel does sarge install by default? |
| 21:06.08 | abrotman | yeah .. i keep a fairly normal sleep schedule |
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| 21:06.23 | abrotman | blizzow: there is no default .. you have an option of a 2.4.27 and a 2.6.8 |
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| 21:06.39 | blizzow | thanks abrotman |
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| 21:07.04 | abrotman | die spambot die! |
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| 21:07.06 | jsmidt | I just installed testing and it said it couldn't start gnome-cd. Does anybody know what the problem might be, or what to do about it. |
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| 21:07.10 | blizzow | abrotman: is sarge Unicode compliant out of the box? |
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| 21:07.14 | chris__ | sorry wrong button |
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| 21:07.21 | [FileFly] | ok that's fine, so how i kinda make my debian "be" unstable? |
| 21:07.27 | abrotman | jsmidt: when running testing .. you must be familiar with the BTS |
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| 21:07.42 | abrotman | blizzow: not 100% i don't think .. but for many apps it should be |
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| 21:07.55 | mike_sol | [FileFly], change 'stable' or whatever to 'unstable' in /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; pray |
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| 21:08.10 | mike_sol | [FileFly], note that you probably don't want to do that |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | mike_sol: the correct answer to his question is !iyhtays |
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| 21:08.22 | mike_sol | !iyhtays |
| 21:08.23 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 21:08.25 | mike_sol | hahaha |
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| 21:08.31 | abrotman | i wasn't joking |
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| 21:08.35 | mike_sol | no, i know |
| 21:08.38 | [FileFly] | mike_sol, well the thing is i like to be on the cutting edge, just moved from gentoo so i'm used to bleeding edge ;) |
| 21:08.44 | chris__ | abrotman: it's f-ing working now... |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | [FileFly]: stuff WILL break |
| 21:08.50 | mike_sol | what's the first word in 'bleeding edge' [FileFly] |
| 21:08.53 | abrotman | chris__: i didn't do anything .. i swear |
| 21:09.04 | mike_sol | you're going to play with knives, expect to get cut |
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| 21:09.08 | chris__ | abrotman: you must have sprinkled some magic white dust or something |
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| 21:09.36 | abrotman | chris__: i have that effect on boxen .. same thing happens at work "Hey alex .. my computer is acting funny .. <walk over> ... it's not doing it anymore" :) |
| 21:09.41 | dusk | firefly is the latino honda ricer of linux |
| 21:09.56 | HyperZid | abrotman, now I get buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 6... loots of times.. after doing fdisk -l |
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| 21:10.15 | abrotman | HyperZid: i've decided your computer hates you |
| 21:10.15 | chris__ | abrotman: well if it works awesome! |
| 21:10.20 | mike_sol | Hydroxide, bad disk or controller? or a weird flaky controller driver? |
| 21:10.34 | HyperZid | abrotman, yes.. it does.. it seems like everything is fucked up with this card |
| 21:10.47 | abrotman | HyperZid: perhaps the support for it isn't that good .. |
| 21:10.50 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 21:10.50 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 21:11.33 | linux-noob | I need to be able to transfer files from my windows machine to my debian machine really easily any recamendations? |
| 21:11.36 | mike_sol | i keep getting this dumb message when running 'net ads join -U admin' for my samba: ads_connect: Can't contact LDAP server |
| 21:11.39 | Gankutsuou | hmm |
| 21:11.49 | Gankutsuou | nope, startx and gnome-session both don't work |
| 21:11.51 | mike_sol | linux-noob, you want samba |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | linux-noob: samba or smbclient |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | karsten: where's linuxmafia?!!? |
| 21:12.12 | blizzow | I just did the businesscard iso install and only see the 2.4 kernel when I boot. Do I have to install the 2.6.x kernel manually? |
| 21:12.23 | abrotman | blizzow: what is your CPU ? |
| 21:12.37 | blizzow | P4 2 Ghz. |
| 21:12.55 | abrotman | blizzow: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:13.05 | blizzow | awesome. Thanks. |
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| 21:13.36 | abrotman | HyperZid: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#promise |
| 21:13.50 | HyperZid | abrotman, I need the network to get into this box myself.. since i'm not at the box's location.. and even after I've loaded all network drivers.. mii-tool still reports that error msg I pasted abow: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported |
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| 21:14.09 | abrotman | HyperZid: dmesg | grep -i eth |
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| 21:16.09 | Gankutsuou | bah |
| 21:16.12 | abrotman | SPAMBOTS DIE! |
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| 21:16.16 | Gankutsuou | gnome won't start |
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| 21:16.39 | Gankutsuou | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 21:16.39 | Gankutsuou | xinit: no such process (errno3): server error. |
| 21:16.43 | abrotman | RichiH: can i kline people .. please?!?!? |
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| 21:17.29 | afabian | Gankutsuou, I could be off base, I think I've seen that error when I've made the silly mistake of putting the last process of my .xinitrc in the background. |
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| 21:18.21 | mike_sol | !ops do something about the spam bots |
| 21:18.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: do something about the spam bots |
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| 21:18.31 | Gankutsuou | ps -aux | grep .xinitrc ? |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | mike_sol: they can't |
| 21:18.41 | abrotman | well .. some of them can |
| 21:18.45 | thc | mike_sol: the #debian channel ops don't k-line the bots, the network ops do |
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| 21:18.55 | mike_sol | i am still new to irc despite having used it for years. :( |
| 21:18.55 | abrotman | thc: but some oft he staff are listed there |
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| 21:19.12 | chris__ | abrotman: damn those backport sites are slooooooooooooowwwwwwww |
| 21:19.13 | afabian | Gankutsuou, well. tail ~/.xinitrc is more like what I was thinking. Random thought, though; probably not your problem. |
| 21:19.16 | thc | abrotman: i know. but summoning all the channel ops is still dumb. |
| 21:19.30 | abrotman | chris__: maybe they all want OO.o2 ? |
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| 21:19.39 | chris__ | possible |
| 21:19.40 | Gankutsuou | that doesn't exist |
| 21:19.41 | Gankutsuou | lol |
| 21:19.43 | Gankutsuou | oh well |
| 21:19.46 | Gankutsuou | hmm |
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| 21:19.54 | Gankutsuou | so gnome-session, gnome-wm, and startx don't work |
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| 21:20.03 | afabian | Backports. Bah. I'm running woody, and I just compile every release of KDE by hand! (Well. Maybe not.) |
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| 21:20.08 | abrotman | Gankutsuou: how about some errors / |
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| 21:20.18 | HyperZid | abrotman, ok. and then what? |
| 21:20.33 | abrotman | HyperZid: does it see both NICs ? |
| 21:20.46 | thc | Gankutsuou: you can't start gnome like that from console, X has to also be started |
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| 21:20.56 | abrotman | thc: there is a way |
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| 21:21.00 | Gankutsuou | erm |
| 21:21.03 | Gankutsuou | X won't start |
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| 21:21.06 | Gankutsuou | that's the problem |
| 21:21.11 | abrotman | Gankutsuou: so check your logs |
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| 21:21.24 | thc | abrotman: gnome can run without X? |
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| 21:22.04 | abrotman | thc: no .. he's trying to launch it via startx |
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| 21:22.25 | thc | abrotman: i understand that. but in console, if you type "gnome-session", gnome will not start |
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| 21:22.43 | drac | echo 'exec /usr/bin/gnome-session' > ~/.xinitrc ; startx |
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| 21:23.05 | HyperZid | abrotman, its kinda hard to know. since I have to explain what anothe guy have to look for.. since I dont have access to the box myself:\ |
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| 21:23.47 | abrotman | thc: duh |
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| 21:23.54 | abrotman | HyperZid: oh .. that's fantastic |
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| 21:24.13 | thc | abrotman: duh? why did you just disagree with what i said then |
| 21:24.21 | Gankutsuou | lol |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | this is why people should read up on hardware before buying it .. or ask people who know .. Promise is not the best thing for SATA raid .. |
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| 21:24.38 | abrotman | thc: who's the one on drugs here?! |
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| 21:24.42 | thc | me! |
| 21:24.47 | abrotman | that's what i thought! |
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| 21:24.53 | thc | i'm at work though, i haven't burned yet today |
| 21:24.55 | mike_sol | i wish i couyld say 'me' |
| 21:25.10 | mike_sol | tonight, thc. you and me, together yet apart, will both become stoned |
| 21:25.12 | Gankutsuou | http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/7403/error4fk.png |
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| 21:25.57 | drac | Gankutsuou: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 21:26.14 | HyperZid | abrotman, yes.. promise is a pain in the ass.. |
| 21:26.15 | Gankutsuou | how silly of me to overlook that... |
| 21:26.16 | thc | dude you don't even have X installed |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | Gankutsuou: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 21:26.44 | drac | I win! |
| 21:26.48 | abrotman | Gankutsuou: and that's beyond silly .. |
| 21:26.59 | thc | !prize drac |
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| 21:27.15 | drac | much appericiated |
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| 21:27.55 | Gankutsuou | that was noobish |
| 21:27.57 | Gankutsuou | however |
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| 21:28.12 | HyperZid | abrotman, I cant see the networking card in dmesg |
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| 21:28.29 | HyperZid | abrotman, and yes.. I have tried to load all the networking card modules:-) |
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| 21:28.37 | abrotman | HyperZid: which NIC ? |
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| 21:29.01 | HyperZid | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 21:29.04 | HyperZid | and |
| 21:29.14 | HyperZid | Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 74) |
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| 21:29.33 | abrotman | bah .. realtek crap! |
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| 21:29.47 | RichiH | abrotman: we are doing what we can ;) |
| 21:30.00 | RichiH | ain't a robot, though |
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| 21:30.17 | abrotman | RichiH: let me do it! |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | RichiH: i kill with authority! |
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| 21:31.01 | abrotman | RichiH: it usually starts out with .. "What we have here is .. failure .. to communicate ..." :) |
| 21:31.28 | Pit3r | hi all |
| 21:31.30 | black_Nightmare | abrot...I remembered something...I I had like done a huge download through the realtek card once..it was like 680-720kb/s average, really crazy server lol ... kinda like set the cable modem 'on fire' and it was repeately dropping out family pc's connection or making it quite slow ^_^ |
| 21:31.41 | mz_work | HyperZid: methinks realtek driver should be 8139too |
| 21:31.54 | HyperZid | I got mz_work yes.. i've loaded that one |
| 21:31.59 | black_Nightmare | and the old cpu (using that realtek card) was just a 300mhz but the proccess bar wasn't even moving that much |
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| 21:32.03 | abrotman | HyperZid: can you tell which is running ? |
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| 21:32.11 | abrotman | !tornado |
| 21:32.11 | dpkg | i heard tornado is A powerful twisting storm, often with rain and hail. |
| 21:32.16 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 21:32.16 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 21:32.33 | gothtec | hahah |
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| 21:32.43 | Wx9j | just did a network install of the testing branch, best to date |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | HyperZid: so .. dmesg | grep -i eth .. only shows one ? |
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| 21:33.18 | RichiH | abrotman: you can't communicate with those things |
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| 21:33.27 | Beulin | does anyone here want to speak french? |
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| 21:33.40 | thc | !fr |
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| 21:33.46 | HyperZid | abrotman, it dosnt show anything else from eth1.. other than: Failed to bring up eth1 |
| 21:33.48 | abrotman | RichiH: shotguns don't count ? |
| 21:34.00 | HyperZid | abrotman, and eth0 aint in use.. |
| 21:34.20 | abrotman | HyperZid: but you can't tell which is running ? |
| 21:34.23 | RichiH | nope |
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| 21:35.30 | quest_ | hi, how cani know which is my wireless card? eth0, eth1 etc? |
| 21:35.35 | Gankutsuou | a shun is much more fun! |
| 21:35.57 | HyperZid | abrotman, eth1 just whouldnt work.. |
| 21:35.59 | HyperZid | hmm.. let me c |
| 21:36.00 | mz_work | quest_: iwconfig |
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| 21:37.23 | quest_ | mz_work, is it the one where *doesn't* write no wireless extension? |
| 21:37.57 | hebfftijd | guarddog: cannot connect to X server :0.0 can someone help me on this |
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| 21:38.18 | RichiH | abrotman: heh |
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| 21:39.09 | deadcat | can a cheap dlink router slow traffic from 1 ip? say i want to limit the upload on 10.10.10.4 |
| 21:39.18 | colloron | hey deadcat |
| 21:39.31 | deadcat | colloron: what up |
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| 21:39.33 | colloron | you mean do traffic shaping? |
| 21:39.40 | deadcat | i am lagging like a bitch |
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| 21:39.54 | deadcat | colloron: ya. but on a dlink router. since thats we all going through |
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| 21:40.04 | miketay | Can anyone tell me how big the Debian project is compared to the Gentoo project? |
| 21:40.15 | deadcat | miketay: just the name |
| 21:40.17 | colloron | deadcat, not sure if it has qos/traffic shaping features. you need to check that model |
| 21:40.24 | TMS | are there any (un)official CD images with the e1000 driver on it? preferably sarge |
| 21:40.30 | deadcat | colloron: ok |
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| 21:40.42 | blaze | Hey all... |
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| 21:41.12 | miketay | deadcat, well, more specifically I guess, how many developers does each project have? |
| 21:41.18 | colloron | i've seen something cool at the office and thought maybe someone knew what it was |
| 21:41.32 | colloron | the screen was the size of 4 monitors grouped together |
| 21:41.44 | deadcat | miketay: 27 debian 28 gentoo |
| 21:41.47 | colloron | and you could move the mouse to left/down/right/up and go from one screen to another |
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| 21:42.03 | colloron | anyone knows what im talking about? |
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| 21:42.10 | mz_work | colloron: xinerama? |
| 21:42.22 | colloron | no idea but i liked it |
| 21:42.27 | colloron | if you say so, ill install it |
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| 21:43.10 | synic | any reason a server wouldn't be using swap - even if there's low ram? |
| 21:43.20 | synic | it's enabled with swapon... just not being used for some reason. |
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| 21:43.42 | Fleck | is there something like Visual Studio .Net for Linux - i mean IDE where can i add buttons and make forms - QT? |
| 21:43.44 | synic | it's killing the server... |
| 21:43.55 | Gankutsuou | bah |
| 21:43.57 | synic | Fleck: qt3-designer |
| 21:44.04 | Hackel | Am I the only one for whom Firefox freezes routinely 3-4 times per day? Thanks to SessionSaver it's effects aren't usually serious, but it's a major annoyance! I'm wondering if it isn't some kind of gtk theme problem... |
| 21:44.10 | RichiH | !find fsviewpart |
| 21:44.12 | Fleck | synic thanks :) |
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| 21:44.26 | colloron | Fleck, id also suggest QT Designer from experience its smooth and intuitive |
| 21:44.29 | doleyb | Hackel: well, i have firefox crash rather freq, sometimes repeatably. |
| 21:44.33 | synic | Hackel: probably a plugin |
| 21:44.52 | thingfish | my firefox (sarge's) is solid as a rock. |
| 21:44.56 | mike_sol | flash is notoriously unreliable, and many pages use flash ads |
| 21:44.58 | colloron | mz_work, cant find xinerama |
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| 21:45.21 | Fleck | colloron ok thankyou :) |
| 21:45.36 | mz_work | colloron: apt-cache search xinerama |
| 21:45.42 | deadcat | colloron: the router model is di-604 help me see if it support shaping. lagg like a whore )= |
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| 21:45.50 | Hackel | It happens when not viewing any flash (and adblock removes most flash anyway), but I will try it without the plugins for a while and see if I can reproduce it...thanks. |
| 21:46.11 | mike_sol | Hackel, see if you can find a particular page what does it. |
| 21:47.07 | Hackel | mike_sol: I haven't been able to isolate it at all, which is the problem. It seems to happen at random, sometimes when clicking a lot or scrolling--working with the UI seems to do it. And then it uses no CPU resources either. |
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| 21:47.30 | fbi | !RichiH++ |
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| 21:47.32 | mike_sol | Hackel, that gtk thing sounds like an alright lead then... are you using something shiny? |
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| 21:48.04 | Hackel | mike_sol: Yes but I've been running with the default theme for a while now. |
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| 21:48.17 | mike_sol | no idea. |
| 21:48.18 | mike_sol | sorry |
| 21:48.23 | Hackel | I'll keep playing with it, I just was wondering if other debian users had noticed a problem. |
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| 21:49.17 | mike_sol | doub, jwz (of netscape fame) had something to say about that - he was complaining about people naming products like 'flash' and the like and that's all they were, flashy crap. now mozilla uses 'chrome' for its ui and microsoft has 'sparkle' for its new ui stuff. |
| 21:49.23 | mike_sol | www.jwz.org/gruntle |
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| 21:49.45 | doleyb | Hackel: i have a reverse problem, firefox often goes 99% cpu for hours (and then i kill) |
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| 21:50.03 | Fleck | colloron, synic and where can i write code? for example when i double clicl in Visual Studio .Net - i can write code allready |
| 21:50.06 | zOOz | helo, is it possible and how? -> http://barakas.servebeer.com/stuff/tc_htb.txt |
| 21:50.07 | Hackel | doleyb: that I think would at least be traceable, since it's obviously doing something. |
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| 21:50.36 | synic | Fleck: follow their tutorial dealie, it's pretty good. |
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| 21:50.59 | colloron | mz_work, could it be xdmx? the only other possiblities im seeing are libxinerama and libxinerama-dev |
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| 21:51.16 | mz_work | colloron: yep libxinerama - was not sure which version is in stable |
| 21:51.25 | E-bola | hello |
| 21:51.30 | mike_sol | Fleck, what language are you wanting to write in? |
| 21:51.32 | E-bola | if i place my ext3 journal on another drive, and the drive with the journal dies, what happens with the filesystem that used the journal? |
| 21:51.39 | colloron | Fleck, check out http://doc.trolltech.com/qt or just doc.trolltech.com its an amazing resource |
| 21:51.43 | colloron | thanks mz |
| 21:51.44 | Fleck | ok :) |
| 21:51.52 | mike_sol | E-bola, ext3 without a journal is just ext2, so it should be okay |
| 21:51.59 | mz_work | colloron: np |
| 21:52.02 | mz_work | outta here |
| 21:52.03 | chris__ | damn it...i installed it oo.org2 via the backports but it still wasn't automatically added to my menu and i don't know where the icons are ;( |
| 21:52.05 | colloron | later mz |
| 21:52.10 | E-bola | mike_sol: wont need a remount or anything? |
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| 21:52.22 | mike_sol | chris__, why don't you go use google image search and find an icon already |
| 21:52.23 | doub | mike_sol, in fact, when i think about it, there are alternatives to bloat. dillo, w3m, links, are examples. but they are quite away from standard compliance |
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| 21:52.33 | mike_sol | E-bola, it might... never tried |
| 21:52.33 | zOOz | E-bola: maybe you will then need to remount it to ext2 |
| 21:52.40 | CruX | hi can any1 tell me where is the problem ? http://slackware.pastebin.com/436545 |
| 21:52.40 | chris__ | mike_sol: damn it i just want it to be installed automatically |
| 21:53.06 | mike_sol | doub, yeah. but if you want to see all the cool sites you need JS and CSS support, and they don't pass muster |
| 21:53.08 | chris__ | it's a miracle i found them! |
| 21:53.23 | E-bola | ok, but its definately better to place the journal on another drive right? |
| 21:53.34 | mike_sol | as bloated as the mozillas are i am just thankful they exist as i remember the problem with Linux being the web browsers were all utter shit and useless. |
| 21:53.49 | mike_sol | now the linux browsers have spilled out and konquered the world :D |
| 21:54.02 | RichiH | how would you guys diff two directories? |
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| 21:54.32 | zOOz | helo, is it possible and how? (iproute2 - tc and htb) -> http://barakas.servebeer.com/stuff/tc_htb.txt |
| 21:54.33 | mike_sol | E-bola, i'm not so sure it is. if the journal drive dies but the data one is fine, no loss, but then you're down to one point of failure. if the data drive dies but the journal drive is okay, it won't really help. |
| 21:54.48 | mike_sol | E-bola, if you have two drives and want reliablity, you should set up software raid 12 |
| 21:54.50 | mike_sol | er, raid 1 |
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| 21:55.16 | E-bola | i have setup a software raid5 |
| 21:55.19 | E-bola | with 5 1tb drives |
| 21:55.23 | [VR]Ghost | hello all! I can'tt build acx100 module (driver) from acx100-source package |
| 21:55.24 | fbi | RichiH: if you're in X, i've used xxdiff to do that |
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| 21:55.27 | E-bola | my question is regarding the filesystem on that device |
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| 21:55.53 | E-bola | i guess if i palce the journal on the raid5 device it should be safe enough unless 2 drives fail simultaneously (in which case im fucked anyway) |
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| 21:55.59 | valdyn_ | [VR]Ghost: for which kernel? |
| 21:56.00 | Yarou | heh |
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| 21:56.07 | Bassium | Hello? |
| 21:56.09 | abrotman | E-bola: yes |
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| 21:56.14 | RichiH | fbi: ta |
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| 21:56.30 | E-bola | ok thanks for the info |
| 21:56.30 | [VR]Ghost | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.36 | fbi | no prob. |
| 21:56.37 | zOOz | is it possible and how? (iproute2 - tc and htb) -> http://barakas.servebeer.com/stuff/tc_htb.txt |
| 21:56.41 | Bassium | Yuck'a duck'a mother *beep*'a. >:) |
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| 21:56.46 | Yarou | ... |
| 21:56.48 | Yarou | wtf? |
| 21:56.49 | Hackel | Lovely Firefox crashed again. :) The backgrace is always shows __lll_mutex_lock_wait. |
| 21:56.55 | abrotman | E-bola: TBH .. depending on the controller .. your journal will be safer on the RAID5 device |
| 21:57.07 | abrotman | Bassium: turn left |
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| 21:57.23 | E-bola | TBH? |
| 21:57.26 | [VR]Ghost | valdyn_ I can send to you build log |
| 21:57.27 | abrotman | !tbh |
| 21:57.27 | dpkg | To Be Honest |
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| 21:57.33 | E-bola | thanks |
| 21:57.43 | Bassium | *Turns left to be hit in the face by a pie*:) |
| 21:57.52 | mike_sol | !pie Bassium |
| 21:57.54 | chris__ | ok now does anyone know where my bin files would be? this has become a pain |
| 21:58.02 | abrotman | chris__: for waht ? |
| 21:58.07 | mike_sol | chris__, the 'find' command is cool |
| 21:58.08 | blaze | Hey all, How can I set up either mutt to fetch my pop3 mail messages from the server by fetcmail before running, or to have my fetchmail run at a set intreval. |
| 21:58.13 | mike_sol | even better is locate |
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| 21:58.28 | TwistedEmotions | Agreed find command sucks.. |
| 21:58.41 | abrotman | not really |
| 21:58.44 | mike_sol | what? find is rad. find -name TwistedEmotions -exec !pie |
| 21:58.51 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 21:58.54 | Bassium | Ok, thats it I've had enough!?! *He chases Mike sol! and tackles him.* Man I'ma idiot. :) |
| 21:59.01 | chris__ | mike_sol: how does that work again? say i wanter to find oo.org2 writer? |
| 21:59.06 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 21:59.10 | mike_sol | chris__, do you know the filename? |
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| 21:59.19 | mike_sol | find / -name filenamegoeshere |
| 21:59.20 | valdyn_ | [VR]Ghost: nah, tell me how you built it while i check if it has known issue(s) with 2.6.14 |
| 21:59.24 | chris__ | mike_sol: no...i think it's called swriter |
| 21:59.28 | abrotman | chris__: dpkg -L <pkgname> might help you |
| 21:59.30 | mike_sol | oowriter, i thought |
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| 22:00.08 | valdyn_ | [VR]Ghost: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=543745&group_id=75380&func=browse |
| 22:00.16 | kzin | anyone knows kernel panic in 2.6.14.2 when resuming from sleep, happens in usbcore? |
| 22:00.44 | blizzow | Is there an apt-get method to installing NVIDIA drivers, or do I have to use their packages? |
| 22:01.00 | mike_sol | kzin, support for resuming usb devices is still a little flakey. did you build your own? |
| 22:01.06 | kzin | yup |
| 22:01.15 | thc | !tell blizzow about nvidia one liner |
| 22:01.18 | kzin | used to work fine with an older kernel and an older machine |
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| 22:01.29 | kzin | ibook g4, post-feb-2005 btw |
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| 22:01.47 | mike_sol | ibook, what the hell do i know about that :D |
| 22:01.54 | valdyn_ | blizzow: you should not use nvidias installer, '/msg dpkg nvidia' |
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| 22:02.10 | blizzow | Thanks valdyn_ |
| 22:02.33 | kzin | that is to say... it used to suspend and resume fine, and now it hangs in usbcore. so it's /not/ the resume/sleep per se, but the support from usbcore for it that got broken. or so i thought |
| 22:02.42 | abrotman | !tell blizzow about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:02.43 | Bassium | G2G <--(Got Two Go! >>>::::)))) <--(its an alien! AAAHGGGGG!! <--(Woah an arrow inside the other arrown. >>::)) <--(another alien!!!>!>!>!KSDFSDHF))) >:) Yay, a human |
| 22:02.49 | mike_sol | alright |
| 22:02.50 | abrotman | Bassium: STOP |
| 22:02.51 | thc | i already told him! |
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| 22:03.01 | Bassium | Whatever bye bye. |
| 22:03.10 | Bassium | You guys aren't fun at all |
| 22:03.12 | [VR]Ghost | valdyn_: life sucks :) |
| 22:03.16 | kzin | mike_sol: nice machine, really |
| 22:03.16 | mike_sol | what's goin on thingfish |
| 22:03.17 | abrotman | Bassium: try #hottub |
| 22:03.23 | thingfish | sorry, connection problems or something... |
| 22:03.26 | mike_sol | kzin, i know, and am envious |
| 22:03.35 | kzin | mike_sol: then i wouldn't ask you about my bluetooth trouble :D |
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| 22:03.44 | kzin | mike_sol: ahh. buy used ones. i do. |
| 22:03.54 | mike_sol | only time i ever had bluetooth is when chewing on a pen |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | wow .. he left on his own |
| 22:04.17 | kzin | mike_sol: heh. so... know anything about usb resume? maybe i forgot some option in kernel config? |
| 22:04.36 | mike_sol | kzin, i rmemeber an option about usb resuming and sleeping in there |
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| 22:05.51 | chris__ | ok here's my problem |
| 22:06.08 | kzin | mike_sol: hmm, CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is enabled. i wonder. |
| 22:06.16 | ghnsxns | hello, how can i install .deb files? |
| 22:06.33 | Ungy | anyone know the cammand for clearing yoru dns cache with bind9 |
| 22:06.34 | beardy | !tell ghnsxns about grounding |
| 22:06.35 | valdyn_ | !refcard |
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| 22:06.36 | dpkg | well, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 22:06.38 | mike_sol | kzin, that's the option |
| 22:06.42 | mike_sol | kzin, try disabling it |
| 22:06.46 | afabian | ghnsxns, man dpkg |
| 22:06.51 | viniciuSS | :) |
| 22:06.53 | mike_sol | that's not for the machine, but for individual peripherals |
| 22:06.54 | beardy | ghnsxns: dpkg, 'man dpkg' |
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| 22:07.54 | viniciuSS | uhsf |
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| 22:08.00 | viniciuSS | ijo |
| 22:08.07 | kzin | mike_so: hmm hmm. interesting. now where's thing... they should have search in gconfig :D |
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| 22:08.14 | Boter | hello |
| 22:08.25 | Boter | how can i make initrd so i can boot new kernel? |
| 22:08.36 | Boter | i did make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd |
| 22:08.38 | Boter | what now? |
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| 22:08.58 | abrotman | Boter: did you get a kernel-image .deb thingie ? |
| 22:09.06 | Boter | i made it |
| 22:09.22 | abrotman | did it generate one |
| 22:09.23 | Boter | make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd |
| 22:09.24 | mike_sol | kzin, menuconfig is where it's at |
| 22:09.24 | jochensp | How could I kill a job if it lasts longer than a given time (not as root) |
| 22:09.29 | Boter | yes it was generaterd |
| 22:09.30 | Boter | :) |
| 22:09.33 | Boter | .deb image |
| 22:09.38 | Boter | but i cant find initrd fil |
| 22:09.38 | Boter | e |
| 22:09.46 | Boter | or dont know where schould it be |
| 22:09.59 | beardy | jochensp: Wait until it's finished. Or 'man kill' |
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| 22:10.09 | abrotman | jochensp: write a script .. launch job .. get PID .. sleep $TIME .. kill PID .. hopefully the system hasn't gone around on the PID circle yet |
| 22:10.23 | jochensp | abrotman: ok, thank you |
| 22:10.37 | abrotman | jochensp: of course .. they may not work as well as my pinky thinks it will |
| 22:10.50 | Boter | where are saved eth settings? |
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| 22:10.56 | Boter | such as local IP and so on? |
| 22:11.00 | lilalinux | kill -9 |
| 22:11.01 | HyperZid | what cheap sata controller card is easy to get working in linux? |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | HyperZid: need more requirements |
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| 22:11.23 | abrotman | !tell boter about interfaces |
| 22:11.24 | mike_sol | HyperZid, i'd go with a promise one, or a silicon image. seem to work okay and be cheap |
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| 22:11.37 | abrotman | mike_sol: promise sucks .. so does sill |
| 22:11.48 | abrotman | mike_sol: unless of course .. you'd lke to help him with his promise issues |
| 22:11.52 | Boter | tnx |
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| 22:11.53 | abrotman | mike_sol: he's only been here two days |
| 22:12.00 | Boter | now what schould i do with my kernel? |
| 22:12.06 | Ungy | that refcard is pretty nice although they are missing tail which is essential for log files I believe |
| 22:12.07 | Yarou | hmm guys, /dev/mice isn't the input for my USB mouse, and X fails to start because of that... any ideas how i can rectify this? |
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| 22:12.15 | tummyacid | hey guys anyone had any luck with the qc-usb drivers? ive got them to compile nicely but the final modprobe command says "FATAL: Module quickcam not found." |
| 22:12.16 | abrotman | Yarou: /dev/input/mice ... |
| 22:12.21 | HyperZid | abrotman, something like those promise cards.. dunno whats good |
| 22:12.21 | kzin | mike_sol: wow, it has search. cool. away with gconfig... anyway, rebooting... |
| 22:12.23 | Yarou | yeah |
| 22:12.27 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 22:12.28 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 22:12.36 | Yarou | /dev/input/mice |
| 22:12.39 | Yarou | it doesn't detect the mouse |
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| 22:12.51 | HyperZid | abrotman, eMagic, Sedna, Sunsway? |
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| 22:13.57 | abrotman | HyperZid: i use REAL raid controllers .. not soft ones .. the stuff i buy is like $300 for four ports |
| 22:13.57 | mike_sol | segway? |
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| 22:14.13 | Yarou | bah... |
| 22:14.15 | abrotman | Yarou: modprobe mousedev ? |
| 22:14.20 | Yarou | k |
| 22:14.22 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 22:14.22 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 22:14.34 | foxgamer | Hi all. I'm just thinking of installing debian but would like to ask a couple of questions if I may; |
| 22:14.41 | mike_sol | foxgamer, shoot |
| 22:14.46 | Yarou | i see. |
| 22:15.02 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:15.21 | quest_ | hi, in some windows and messagebox in kde i see squares instead of characters, should i install some fonts? |
| 22:15.21 | foxgamer | Thanks mike_sol 1. Is there a 64bit version that works happily and 2. Will this work with my at radeon x300 card? |
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| 22:15.36 | zapada | what's a Grub Geom error? I get it when i try to boot grub from a usb stick. |
| 22:15.52 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 22:15.52 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | foxgamer: and you'd have to ask #ati if there are binary amd64 drivers for xorg/xfree |
| 22:16.04 | zapada | !grub geom error |
| 22:16.04 | mike_sol | foxgamer, for 64 bit, the best best would be to ask in #debian-amd64 and the x300 will work fine in 2d, but 3D setup will be "fun" |
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| 22:16.48 | foxgamer | Thank you all :) The setup was quite 'fun' with what I'm currently using, but still possible. |
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| 22:16.55 | mike_sol | when that says 'supported on etch', is that like a rock solid project requirement? |
| 22:17.05 | mike_sol | foxgamer, i'm not sure about ati and 64 bit linux |
| 22:17.13 | abrotman | mike_sol: huh ? |
| 22:17.24 | mike_sol | abrotman, with etch have amd64 as an official port |
| 22:17.26 | abrotman | mike_sol: oh .. no .. amd64 is supposd to be a release arch for amd64 |
| 22:17.38 | mike_sol | i see |
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| 22:18.15 | thingfish | ok, seems better now. |
| 22:18.19 | thingfish | sorry people. |
| 22:18.25 | mike_sol | we'll never forgive you |
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| 22:18.31 | thingfish | and rightly so. |
| 22:18.37 | thc | i just installed a new irssi theme and it looks _nothing_ like the screenshot |
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| 22:19.17 | foxgamer | I shall ask where you have suggested and see if I can find out. Thanks again for your help. |
| 22:19.24 | mike_sol | good luck |
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| 22:19.32 | quest_ | does anyone know what fonts to install in order not see quares? |
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| 22:19.58 | secher_ | Heyas. what is the non-kde way to get a screenshot? I want to save a conversation log for my ISP, in case they try to tell me we didn't discuss what we rightly well did discuss. |
| 22:20.01 | tummyacid | hey guys anyone had any luck with the qc-usb drivers? ive got them to compile nicely but the final modprobe command says "FATAL: Module quickcam not found." |
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| 22:20.13 | abrotman | secher_: gimp can do a single window |
| 22:20.16 | Andy837 | how do i restart sendmail? |
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| 22:20.29 | abrotman | Andy837: /etc/init.d/sendmail ? |
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| 22:20.55 | ziupiu | tummyacid, import, xwd |
| 22:21.00 | thc | .reload |
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| 22:21.04 | secher_ | abrotman: I want to get the whole desktop, cause there are several additional bits of info I want to store. |
| 22:21.05 | thc | god dammit |
| 22:21.07 | chris__ | i thought openoffice.org2 was in sid? |
| 22:21.10 | abrotman | ziupiu: wrong person i think |
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| 22:21.12 | chris__ | is it only in experimental? |
| 22:21.15 | tummyacid | ziupiu : pardon? |
| 22:21.20 | abrotman | secher_: gimp can do that also |
| 22:21.26 | abrotman | chris__: it is |
| 22:21.33 | Andy837 | /etc/init.d/mailscanner restart |
| 22:21.33 | Andy837 | /etc/init.d/mailscanner: directory /var/spool/MailScanner: wrong owner (expected Debian-exim but is mail) |
| 22:21.35 | secher_ | abrotman: so gimp can shoot the whole screen? |
| 22:21.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:21.43 | Andy837 | any reason for the above ^ |
| 22:21.44 | Andy837 | ? |
| 22:21.45 | ziupiu | abrotman, tummyacid sorry, it was for secher |
| 22:21.52 | chris__ | abrotman: well damn it it says i still have unmet dependencies |
| 22:21.54 | abrotman | !info openoffice.org sid |
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| 22:21.59 | tummyacid | oh cool command though |
| 22:22.03 | MrBallZ | how can i know when a new package is going to be released as stable .... e.g. kzenexplorer ... |
| 22:22.03 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 22:22.07 | abrotman | chris__: you gonna share them this time ? :) |
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| 22:22.26 | chris__ | abrotman: sure |
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| 22:22.32 | secher_ | ziupiu: import and xwd? |
| 22:22.33 | ttl- | hi |
| 22:22.35 | sewi | hello, what would happen if I install TeXlive for debian/sid on my debian/sarge from http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html ? Do you recommend it to me? |
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| 22:22.45 | jcole | is there a cheat sheet for debianizing a source package? |
| 22:22.50 | ttl- | why there is no k3b in testing (etch) ? |
| 22:22.58 | nydust | why doesen apt-get search work?Ã… |
| 22:23.01 | abrotman | !tell jcole about mg |
| 22:23.02 | ziupiu | secher, import -window root root.jpeg or xwd -root >root.xwd |
| 22:23.03 | abrotman | !tell jcole about nm |
| 22:23.05 | thingfish | sewi: it's never really recommended to install things from testing or unstable onto stable. |
| 22:23.09 | thc | nydust: apt-cache search |
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| 22:23.12 | Kerr | hmm.... pc kinda, died.. so rebooted, and after fsck failing far too many times, it fixed stuff to the tune of 4.7% non contingency.. now after a reboot most programs seem to segfault... konsole is fine, as is xmms, but firefox, konqueror, gaim, and skype not so good. Any idea what is going on? |
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| 22:23.16 | secher_ | wow.. loads of questions tonight. |
| 22:23.17 | chris__ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/436579 |
| 22:23.19 | nydust | aha |
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| 22:23.27 | mike_sol | question: should i play doom 2 at work |
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| 22:23.29 | jcole | thanks abrotman |
| 22:23.29 | secher_ | ziupiu: Thanks.. |
| 22:23.34 | Jeffreyf | does anyone have an X setup for the IBM PC 300GL (400 Mhz w/S3 integrated video) |
| 22:23.46 | chris__ | abrotman: do i need some packages from experimental? |
| 22:23.48 | doleyb | mike_sol: no, play quake1 |
| 22:24.03 | mike_sol | doleyb, i only have a doom cd here. and of course it will be in a glourious source port |
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| 22:24.11 | sewi | thingfish: I see, but what if I'll do a backport of it? |
| 22:24.16 | abrotman | chris__: you ran apt-get update;apt-get install openoffice.org ? .. i don't think the package is called openoffice.org2 |
| 22:24.33 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 22:24.33 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 22:24.56 | abrotman | Jeffreyf: it's a laptop ? |
| 22:24.58 | chris__ | abrotmanL same problem with just typing openoffice.org |
| 22:24.59 | thc | haha wtf |
| 22:25.00 | thingfish | sewi: who knows. Try it and see, but be prepared for trouble. |
| 22:25.03 | Jeffreyf | desktop |
| 22:25.16 | Boter | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Ot7HtX59.html |
| 22:25.17 | Boter | any idea? |
| 22:25.23 | abrotman | Jeffreyf: uhm Xfree's support of S3 isn't so good .. dunno about xorg |
| 22:25.40 | abrotman | chris__: apt-cache show openoffice.org | grep -i version |
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| 22:25.54 | mike_sol | Boter, that's odd. what ethernet card is it you're building? |
| 22:26.03 | Jeffreyf | I had it working once. Trial and error though |
| 22:26.09 | zOap | I upgraded my server to sarge, from the "old" sarge,but noone else than admin is allowed to log in, nomatter what serverdaemon I try to log into.. Any ideas? |
| 22:26.10 | abrotman | Boter: and why are you compiling your own ? |
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| 22:26.25 | Boter | well there are modules for several ethernet cards |
| 22:26.26 | mike_sol | z0ap, /etc/nologin? |
| 22:27.02 | Boter | abrotman why not? |
| 22:27.05 | chris__ | abrotman: 2.0.2 |
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| 22:27.20 | kzin | now compiling... make-kpkg (or the kernel config subsystem, whatever) is not that hot in the face of configuration changes |
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| 22:27.36 | Jeffreyf | what is the X-server setup |
| 22:27.38 | zOap | mike_sol, doesnt have that file... |
| 22:27.47 | Yarou | bah, how do i stop X before it starts, because my mouse isn't working and i need to apt-get install hotplug |
| 22:27.55 | abrotman | chris__: apt-get install openoffice.org-core ? |
| 22:27.56 | mike_sol | z0ap, good... what sort of stuff do you have in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:28.01 | mike_sol | for passwd and shado |
| 22:28.03 | mike_sol | w |
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| 22:28.22 | chris__ | abrotman: then it tells me i need myspell3c2 |
| 22:28.30 | abrotman | ah .. that's a good sign :) |
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| 22:28.37 | abrotman | !info myspell3c2 etch |
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| 22:29.25 | Catch`CoNdA | How do I make crashed programs disapear from the taskbar? amsn crashed, and I have done a killall on it. but it still hangs around. (KDE 3.3 deb-stable/sarge) |
| 22:29.33 | Jeffreyf | what is the X config from cmd line |
| 22:29.38 | zOap | mike_sol, passwd: compat |
| 22:29.38 | zOap | group: compat |
| 22:29.38 | zOap | shadow: compat |
| 22:29.38 | zOap | hosts: files dns |
| 22:29.38 | zOap | networks: files |
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| 22:29.54 | zOap | sorry |
| 22:29.56 | mike_sol | okay zoap that's fine |
| 22:30.01 | mike_sol | (next time use #flood) |
| 22:30.01 | Yarou | xf86config |
| 22:30.05 | zOap | yeah |
| 22:30.13 | Jeffreyf | Yarou: Thanks |
| 22:30.17 | Yarou | np |
| 22:30.21 | chris__ | z0ap: yeah that's a big no no in #debian |
| 22:30.22 | mike_sol | z0ap, what happens if you make a new user and try to log in with it |
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| 22:30.30 | zOap | I know, forgot.. |
| 22:30.42 | zOap | mike_sol, ok, hang on |
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| 22:30.52 | Yarou | bah... |
| 22:31.06 | Yarou | how can i stop X from startup? i can't get into console |
| 22:31.06 | Yarou | lol |
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| 22:31.19 | Kerr | hmm.... pc kinda, died.. so rebooted, and after fsck failing far too many times, it fixed stuff to the tune of 4.7% non contingency.. now after a reboot most programs seem to segfault... konsole is fine, as is xmms, but firefox, konqueror, gaim, and skype not so good. Any idea what is going on? |
| 22:31.24 | mike_sol | boot into single user mode Yarou |
| 22:31.25 | chris__ | abrotman: ok i think i got it...hopefully this doesn't break my sarge system too bad ;) |
| 22:31.30 | Yarou | i'd use xdm, but my mouse doesn't work because i don't have hotplug installed |
| 22:31.49 | Yarou | hmm |
| 22:31.53 | Yarou | okay |
| 22:32.17 | Stereo | hi guys |
| 22:32.33 | Stereo | does anyone know what mdz indends to do with his mythtv package? |
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| 22:33.30 | abrotman | chris__: hopefully .. though it's debateable |
| 22:33.50 | Stereo | dpkg: mythtv |
| 22:33.50 | dpkg | from memory, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 22:34.04 | Stereo | he's moved them to http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable.old/mythtv/ |
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| 22:35.00 | syberdave | dpkg: lighttpd |
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| 22:35.13 | zOap | mike_sol, no luck |
| 22:35.47 | mike_sol | zOap, okay, some kind of PAM thing maybe? |
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| 22:36.04 | mike_sol | check /etc/pam.d/common-* for sanity. should mostly be 'whatever required pam_unix.so' |
| 22:36.10 | zOap | mike_sol, dunno... it's really bugging me.. |
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| 22:37.06 | chris__ | abrotman: yeah we'll see |
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| 22:37.26 | Kerr | most programs are segfaulting when i try to launch them. can anyone help me find why? |
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| 22:37.59 | thc | Kerr: try and start an app with strace, read the log |
| 22:38.01 | zOap | mike_sol, well *account requires pam_unix.so |
| 22:38.06 | mike_sol | that's good |
| 22:38.16 | ziupiu | Kerr, strace them |
| 22:38.45 | zOap | mike_sol, common-auth needs pam_unix.so and nullok_secure |
| 22:38.56 | mike_sol | zOap, that's good too |
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| 22:39.00 | mike_sol | session? |
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| 22:39.46 | zOap | mike_sol, pam_unix.so |
| 22:39.51 | isidro | madrid |
| 22:40.08 | mike_sol | okay what the devil is going on. is there anything in the logs? /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages when you log in? |
| 22:40.11 | Kerr | thc, ziupiu i don't know what i'm reading with strace. |
| 22:40.19 | chris__ | sweet part of gnome is 2.10 the other part is 2.8 |
| 22:40.42 | thc | Kerr: run the app, look at the bottom of strace's output |
| 22:40.47 | zOap | password: pam_cracklib.so retry 3 minlen 6 difok=3, pam_unix.so use_authtok nullok md5 |
| 22:40.56 | zOap | mike_sol, password: pam_cracklib.so retry 3 minlen 6 difok=3, pam_unix.so use_authtok nullok md5 |
| 22:41.17 | mike_sol | zOap, you can comment out the cracklib if you want, that's about weak passwords i think. the unix part stays |
| 22:41.20 | Kerr | thc: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ ? |
| 22:41.26 | mike_sol | zOap, check logs when you log in as a regular user |
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| 22:41.38 | afabian | There is no .rog TLD. It'd like it if every time I accidentally tried it, my browser would use .org instead. |
| 22:41.38 | zOap | mike_sol, ok |
| 22:41.40 | thc | Kerr:: are you running sarge? |
| 22:41.41 | mike_sol | seeya abrotman |
| 22:41.58 | Kerr | thc: etch |
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| 22:42.38 | thc | Kerr: etch is in a bad state right now |
| 22:43.21 | nefertum | if I stop a process with ctrl + z, wich one is the way to resume it? |
| 22:43.23 | Kerr | thc: puter just hung, i rebooted and ran fsck in maintinemence mode, took forever, duplicate blocks, compresion flags, bad blocks, dtime when in use, not that thay means anything to me :-/ |
| 22:43.39 | Kerr | thc: i've no apt-get update/upgraded for a week or so. |
| 22:44.00 | thc | Kerr: you might as well, sounds like your system is already broke |
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| 22:44.07 | ziupiu | nefertum, bg |
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| 22:44.12 | nefertum | bg¿ |
| 22:44.19 | nefertum | ok ziupiu , thanks |
| 22:44.30 | ziupiu | nefertum, or fg |
| 22:44.38 | thc | Kerr: stick with Sarge, unless you absolutely need a newer kernel or newer apps |
| 22:44.40 | nefertum | aha |
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| 22:45.26 | Kerr | thc: fsck, when it finished (after being run manually) said that after repairs about 4.7% of the root partition was non-contingent; before reboot aps were dyign complaining of no communication between kde somethings. - i wasn't the one using the pc.. |
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| 22:45.54 | Kerr | dying^ |
| 22:45.55 | thc | Kerr: kde is currently missing lots of stuff in etch |
| 22:46.16 | Kerr | thc: i use icewm |
| 22:46.37 | thc | Kerr: if this is a desktop, i'd recommend installing sarge |
| 22:46.45 | zOap | mike_sol, dmesg doesnt return anything unusual when trying to login as normal user |
| 22:46.45 | thc | i'd run sid on a desktop before i ran etch |
| 22:47.03 | mike_sol | zOap, check /var/log/syslog as it has more i think |
| 22:47.19 | Kerr | any way to downgrade? |
| 22:47.19 | mike_sol | either way i gotta go do some work now, so maybe somebody else can try other things with ya |
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| 22:47.29 | thc | Kerr: nope |
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| 22:47.42 | thc | Kerr: unless you are an expert and have two days to kill |
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| 22:47.56 | Kerr | thc: negative |
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| 22:48.19 | Yarou | bah |
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| 22:48.40 | Kerr | thc: still, is there a way of finding why the apps are crashing, so i can not do whatever it was again? |
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| 22:48.59 | thc | Kerr: i'd upgrade to sid, and see how it runs. when packages don't move into etch, they stay in sid and if you know what you are doing you can fix dependencies etc. |
| 22:49.02 | Kerr | thc: i doubt etch is to blame, as it's so long since upgrade, and i've rebooted a few times since. |
| 22:49.06 | thc | what do you have to lose |
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| 22:49.46 | thc | Kerr: i'm betting it's etch if you're getting kde errors |
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| 22:50.05 | zOap | mike_sol, #flood |
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| 22:50.07 | Yarou | qq |
| 22:50.34 | Kerr | thc: but the only kde apps i use are konsole and k3b; i use kde's own respository. |
| 22:50.41 | lokkju | grr - I overwrote my mysql user table - anyone have a script to re-install the debian-sys-maint user? |
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| 22:51.16 | Yarou | he sido |
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| 22:51.24 | thc | Kerr: i don't know what to tell you, all i know is kde is in bad shape in etch currently. i don't use any kde apps at all |
| 22:51.49 | thc | k3b was missing in etch, might be back now though |
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| 22:52.28 | Kerr | thc: gzip won't run, so apt-get update won't either. |
| 22:52.34 | thc | doh! |
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| 22:52.51 | Kerr | thc: i've not messed with kde for weeks. |
| 22:52.52 | thc | Kerr: i'd go for a fresh sarge install |
| 22:52.54 | Yarou | hmm, the problem i'm having now is this: under Knoppix and Slax, KDE manages to detect my USB laser mouse by hotplug, however, on Debian, i use apt-get install hotplug, and when i used startx, it wouldn't start. |
| 22:52.57 | Ronin | and oddly enough etch on the mail server |
| 22:53.06 | thc | Kerr: what is the reason for your running etch anyway |
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| 22:53.29 | thc | !tell Yarou about usbmouse |
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| 22:54.07 | cddesjar | abrotman: thanks for all your help with oo.org2...it seems to be working and i didn't break my system |
| 22:54.08 | Kerr | thc: i'm in testing with select pinned sid repositories, because of damnable nvidia drivers, but that was a while ago. |
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| 22:54.21 | thc | ah. |
| 22:54.26 | ecliptik | how can I list the contents of a .deb? |
| 22:54.42 | ziupiu | lokkju, INSERT INTO `user` VALUES ('localhost','debian-sys-maint','yourpassword','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','','','','',0,0,0); |
| 22:54.43 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: dpkg-deb -c foo.deb |
| 22:54.51 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 22:55.26 | dondelelcaro | mike_sol: if the bots bother you, you can /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS; or use caphuso's excellent join/part/quit filter. |
| 22:56.31 | Kerr | thc: barring etch/kde, what do firefox, konqueror, gaim, and skype have in common that konsole and xmms don't (the only apps i've tried to launch, the latter run fine.) |
| 22:56.44 | Kerr | thc: i'm thinking i may have some corrupt libs? |
| 22:57.07 | Kerr | though i'm (obviously) a novice user |
| 22:57.14 | afabian | Kerr, Rumplestiltskin! |
| 22:57.20 | thc | Kerr: i honestly don't know |
| 22:57.34 | lokkju | ziupiu, sure, but what for the password, since it needs to be in debian.cnf as well, in a hashed form... |
| 22:57.40 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: my what? |
| 22:57.42 | afabian | Kerr, if you think it's a shared library, you can use ldd on the executables and see what shared libs are used. |
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| 22:58.24 | thc | Kerr: i'd strongly recommend you stick with sarge, and use the nvidia one liner for your graphics drivers |
| 22:58.32 | afabian | Kerr, and the first three are all network related, those last ones are not. |
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| 23:00.12 | Veratien | Is it possible to run Debian's installer through SSH? Just wondering, because if it is then I have the answer to my hosting company's needs, heh. |
| 23:00.19 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: you wrote that script right? or was it cafuego? |
| 23:00.42 | Kerr | i was pondering trying ubuntu or kubunto if i ever needed a clean install.. |
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| 23:01.01 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: the only i think remotely linked to joins/parts/quite i wrote is a script to filter bitchx quit messages |
| 23:01.03 | Ronin | Kerr: why on earth do that? |
| 23:01.10 | caphuso | s/i think/thing/, grrr |
| 23:01.33 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: ah... I thought you had a variant to do block short joins/parts with little time between them... must be someone else. |
| 23:02.10 | caphuso | to add to the confusion, cafuego has written such a script too ;-) |
| 23:02.21 | Kerr | Ronin: because their cd's are free? |
| 23:02.24 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: heh |
| 23:02.30 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: nospambot.pl? that was peters |
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| 23:03.31 | tkooda | anyone know where I can find an example makejail config for svn? |
| 23:03.39 | tkooda | makejail? |
| 23:03.51 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: oh. seems I'm totally lost. [not like that's anything new] |
| 23:03.53 | Ronin | Kerr: so is debian |
| 23:04.04 | thc | Kerr: if you do decide to do that, you won't be getting support in this channel |
| 23:04.13 | tkooda | does anyone run svn+ssh in a chroot? |
| 23:04.31 | Kerr | thc: i know |
| 23:04.39 | thc | Kerr: why not try a sarge net-install? |
| 23:04.48 | thc | you have a network... |
| 23:04.58 | dondelelcaro | tkooda: there's generally no point in bothering. If you want such a person not to have ssh access, you should be using DAV authentication |
| 23:05.01 | Kerr | thc: i'm capped to death, heh.. |
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| 23:05.28 | thc | Kerr: download the business card sized cd iso (if your cdrom/dvdrom will read it) |
| 23:05.33 | thc | it's 40 megs |
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| 23:05.56 | tkooda | dondelelcaro, I don't want to run apache2. I believe there is a point to chrooting svn thou. |
| 23:05.57 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 23:06.04 | afabian | Kerr, perfectly good distribution. Generally, take Debian and make some arbitrary optimizations for desktop use, IMHO. |
| 23:06.35 | tkooda | dondelelcaro, I'm running scponlyc (chroot version) |
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| 23:07.23 | Kerr | thc: i've a spare dvdrw, and as i saidn, my net sucks. I'm thinking it would be far easier to download more now, than to wait forever for stuff to install.. |
| 23:07.51 | Kerr | said^ |
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| 23:08.02 | Kerr | damn laggy shell ~.~ |
| 23:08.26 | soymilk | Kerr: over a 56K line a 40MB download is not that long |
| 23:08.32 | Kerr | if i can possibly avoid a clean install i will, though. |
| 23:08.43 | thc | soymilk: he still has to download packages after that |
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| 23:09.16 | soymilk | thc: then i would download the essentials immediatly, like a minimalist window manager, etc. then save the big download for overnight... |
| 23:09.20 | Kerr | i'm capped to death, not 56k. The problem is not speed as such, but traffic shaping and bandwith throttling. |
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| 23:10.03 | soymilk | Kerr: why? |
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| 23:10.33 | Kerr | My uni doesn't like p2pers, and assumes any lengthly download is llegal. |
| 23:10.33 | soymilk | Kerr: are you on a spaceship or a submarine or something? |
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| 23:10.58 | Kerr | illegal^ |
| 23:11.13 | deadline | hi all where can i find list of default installed kernels compared to stable, testing and unstable arch? |
| 23:11.26 | soymilk | Kerr: there are ways around that... |
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| 23:12.07 | soymilk | Kerr: for example, wget -c -T 1 -t 0 ... |
| 23:12.15 | thc | deadline: packages.debian.org ? |
| 23:12.27 | Kerr | they have ports 6000-6669 blocked because they don't like irc. |
| 23:12.40 | soymilk | Kerr: so use 7000 :-) |
| 23:12.45 | Kerr | i do |
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| 23:13.10 | Kerr | but some servers don't have that port open, so i ssh to my home pc.. |
| 23:13.10 | soymilk | but otherwise, it sounds like they are control freak dumbasses :-( |
| 23:13.17 | menace | ) |
| 23:13.32 | Kerr | they are |
| 23:13.56 | Kerr | i tailgated into the admin office building and snuck up to the ninth floor to confront them. |
| 23:14.01 | Kerr | they don't like me. |
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| 23:14.41 | soymilk | well, if they are the kind of people that feel appeased by control freak admins, they are likely to not... |
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| 23:15.31 | Kerr | they refer to me as a network client; i'm a paying customer in a private accomodation complex, who contracts net from them. |
| 23:15.48 | soymilk | ...as they go home to their spyware-controlled systems at home with broadband connections... |
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| 23:15.56 | Kerr | mhm |
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| 23:16.39 | mike_sol | i like spyware! it makes me feel needed |
| 23:16.53 | Ronin | heh mike_sol job security is nice |
| 23:16.59 | Kerr | they once ran a nessus scan on my box, then after finding no vunerabilities, cut me off accusing me of having a w/32 virus. i was offline for a week screamign at telephone staff that i don't need their fucking antivir disk. |
| 23:17.15 | Kerr | screaming^ |
| 23:17.26 | afabian | That's lame. |
| 23:17.30 | thingfish | that is. |
| 23:17.35 | Kerr | the idea of relying upon their network to install, it's just not good. |
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| 23:18.04 | thingfish | just another example of how Big Brother is taking over. |
| 23:18.09 | zOap | mike_sol, If you tried to chat with me I'm sorry. I had to hang up the wash. If not the smell is awful tomorrow:) |
| 23:18.16 | thingfish | The Man always has his eye on you. |
| 23:19.01 | Yagi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.22 | Kerr | before i go ahead and clear space for an iso download; are there any debian sages likely to be on at other times who would be likley able to fix this? |
| 23:19.32 | thingfish | oh neat, someone actually hang their wash up to dry, rather than use a dryer. |
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| 23:19.48 | thingfish | clothes hung out on a line always smell so good. |
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| 23:20.18 | thingfish | !kingsleysmite the damn bots |
| 23:20.19 | dpkg | the damn bots: You're nothing but an a*se f*cking w*nker! |
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| 23:20.24 | Kerr | i'd love to hang stuff up on a line, but i'm on the 11th floor, and the trainstation opposite has only thre stories. |
| 23:20.47 | loxley_ | thingfish: that is, if you dont hang them on the toilet as my darn girlfriend does .. :/ |
| 23:20.50 | metaperl | ls: unparsable value for LS_COLORS environment variable # how can I get this message out of my XEmacs shell buffers? I dont want colors |
| 23:21.21 | thingfish | oh now loxley_, don't you let her do that! |
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| 23:21.51 | loxley_ | thingfish: well, she always make excuses "i needed to get the phone, and.." bla bla bla |
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| 23:22.01 | loxley_ | thingfish: claiming she forgot |
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| 23:22.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:22.34 | blizzow | I've got about 120 GB of stuff to transfer over a 100Mb ethernet connection between two computers. Should I use scp, ftp, CIFS, or SMB? |
| 23:22.52 | thingfish | use a bucket. |
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| 23:22.58 | eeyore- | blizzow: ftp |
| 23:23.02 | thingfish | I mean whichever. |
| 23:23.05 | eeyore- | blizzow: least overhead |
| 23:23.11 | Kerr | what is the url for sarge dvd 1? |
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| 23:23.24 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: debian.org/CD and find a mirror that has it |
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| 23:24.08 | afabian | blizzow, I'd be tempted to just use something like netcat and pipe tar. |
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| 23:24.30 | afabian | Maybe run it through gzip on the lowest compression level. |
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| 23:25.28 | doleyb | blizzow: seriously, get a screwdriver and use IDE |
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| 23:25.43 | eeyore- | doleyb: that's still a valid suggestion :-) |
| 23:25.54 | eeyore- | doleyb: even better, e-SATA |
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| 23:26.24 | Andy837 | i've got a tar.gz file - i guess this is an archive, what do i open it with? how do i extract to a folder? |
| 23:26.31 | kzin | disabling CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND worked! thanks |
| 23:26.35 | doleyb | blizzow: btw, cifs=smb |
| 23:26.52 | eeyore- | doleyb: similar, but not quite |
| 23:26.52 | thc | Andy837: tar zxvf foo.tar.gz |
| 23:26.55 | thc | Andy837: man tar |
| 23:27.11 | Knorrie | hi i'm trying to get rsync working with the --link-dest option in sarge, but files are being copied again instead of hardlinked, whatever i try |
| 23:27.19 | blizzow | doleyb: do CIFS or SMB differ in any way? |
| 23:27.24 | afabian | Andy837, tar xvfz file.tar.gz ... type: info tar |
| 23:27.34 | blizzow | besides name;) |
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| 23:28.08 | doleyb | blizzow: well, cifs is the new name for smb, they might've adjusted the protocol slightly too. |
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| 23:29.17 | eeyore- | doleyb: there are many many versions of smb. cifs is fairly recent, and does not care about old old smb protocols, whereas samba does |
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| 23:31.25 | blizzow | How can I tell what percentage of my eth0 interfaces bandwidth I'm currently using? |
| 23:31.41 | Knorrie | blizzow: iptraf? |
| 23:32.17 | Knorrie | blizzow: or ifstat |
| 23:32.23 | doleyb | blizzow: ntop, or etherape |
| 23:32.44 | Knorrie | blizzow: or snmp... so many choice :)) |
| 23:32.46 | eeyore- | blizzn: iptraf is easier to see up front |
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| 23:33.25 | js_ | is it possible to block a port scan? |
| 23:33.34 | eeyore- | blizznow: but for long-term monitoring, it's best to use something like cacti/rrdb for monitoring/graphing |
| 23:33.46 | doleyb | js_: yes, "ifconfig eth0 down" |
| 23:33.57 | Coweater | i'm trying to use kino with a dv cam on firewire, it needs access to /dev/raw1394 which is owned by root:disk, should i add myself to disk or is there a more appropriate method to allow access? |
| 23:34.09 | vulture | js_: in what sense? you can just drop any incoming connection attempt, always. Or you can do fancy things like port knocking if you want scans to fail, but certain carefully constructed connection attempts to succeed |
| 23:34.11 | pjz | why would fakeroot give me 'Operation not permitted' when I try a chown? |
| 23:34.56 | js_ | vulture: port knocking? |
| 23:35.05 | dondelelcaro | pjz: because you don't own the file that you're chowning |
| 23:35.18 | Andy837 | so.... |
| 23:35.27 | eeyore- | js_: google for it. in a nutshell, access specific ports in specific order = enable some service(s) |
| 23:35.28 | Andy837 | tar new_folder file.tar.gz |
| 23:35.32 | Andy837 | that should work? |
| 23:35.34 | vulture | js_: not sure how practically usable it is. I certainly wouldn't bother with it - but feel free to try. Google it and you'll get more than enough info |
| 23:35.52 | doleyb | js_: port knocking is a hack where a port only returns a request after a certain patter of remote access attempts, so it's hard for strangers to know you're running a server |
| 23:36.09 | js_ | ohh, ok |
| 23:36.11 | js_ | thanks all |
| 23:36.15 | pjz | dondelelcaro: ...but I do own that file, I do |
| 23:36.43 | eeyore- | js_: you don't care about port scanning ... it doesn't matter. what matters more is firewalling unwanted accesses away |
| 23:36.50 | dondelelcaro | pjz: what is the precise sequence of commands that you are running? |
| 23:36.58 | afabian | Andy837, no. Tar expects the first parameter to be a command, like list 'l' or extract 'x'. If you wanted to extract to a folder in particular (and, the tar file may already have a path in it), you could use -C. In practice, I imagine most people mkdir and cd before using tar. |
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| 23:37.05 | eeyore- | js_: (and you also don't want to run services you don't need, either) |
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| 23:37.19 | pjz | dondelelcaro: it's part of a debian package build for a set of internal software |
| 23:37.22 | doleyb | Right, port knocking is "security thru obscurity" to protect your unsafe services, which you shouldn't have anyway. |
| 23:37.32 | dondelelcaro | pjz: which package? |
| 23:37.48 | pjz | dondelelcaro: some internal software, not an official package |
| 23:37.59 | dondelelcaro | pjz: furthermore, all of the files in a real live Debian package are owned by root, and only get chowned to the user when they are installed in the postinst |
| 23:38.09 | doleyb | afabian: in practice, most tars are expected to be in a subdir already |
| 23:38.23 | dondelelcaro | pjz: mainly because chowning files in a tarball is totally useless. |
| 23:38.30 | afabian | doleyb, well, yeah. that. |
| 23:38.30 | eeyore- | js_: and when you want to run services, you want to make sure to *narrow* the IP that service binds to (if possible, bind to 127.0.0.1 only, as opposed to *) |
| 23:38.31 | afabian | =) |
| 23:38.34 | pjz | dondelelcaro: ah! thanks! I'll do it that way |
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| 23:38.48 | Andy837 | so, tar x file.tar.gz |
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| 23:39.15 | doleyb | Andy837: no "x" would only work for file.tar. For file.tar.gz, you want "zx" |
| 23:39.16 | dondelelcaro | pjz: you should also be creating the user that your chowning the package to in your postinst as well. |
| 23:39.25 | dondelelcaro | (or depending on the package that creates it) |
| 23:39.30 | js_ | eeyore-: right, gotcha |
| 23:39.41 | pjz | dondelelcaro: yup. the latter, actually. |
| 23:39.45 | pjz | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 23:39.49 | doleyb | Andy837: although "cat file.tar.gz|gunzip|tar x" would work, but why bother? |
| 23:40.04 | dondelelcaro | pjz: np. |
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| 23:40.08 | doleyb | Andy837: or if you had file.tar.bz2, it would be "tar jx" |
| 23:40.27 | pjz | I'm trying to persuade the Powers That Be that using debian packages for releases of internal software into production use is a Good Thing. |
| 23:40.27 | afabian | doleyb, on Debian, no reason. On some UNIX variants, tar doesn't do g(un)zip =) |
| 23:40.35 | Yarou | thc: |
| 23:40.38 | Yarou | i already know that |
| 23:40.39 | Yarou | lol |
| 23:40.45 | doleyb | afabian: on those unixes, gnu can be installed. |
| 23:40.53 | Yarou | the problem is, how come hotplug doesn't detect my mouse |
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| 23:40.59 | Yarou | when it did on Knoppix and Slax |
| 23:41.01 | Kasatka | To anyone who can help: I have recently installed debian linux (the core system) onto one of my computers. Well after installing it booted up and it was just in text mode login. I login but it stays in text mode. Any way to install a GUI from text mode and get it working? |
| 23:41.10 | sparr | is there a tool for debian to automagically search for packages containing C/C++ headers that you dont have? right now i use an iterative (make, apt-file search missingheader, apt-get install result, repeat until make works) process |
| 23:41.21 | Yarou | Kasatka: dselect |
| 23:41.29 | dondelelcaro | pjz: yes... it's pretty much the sane path |
| 23:41.36 | Yarou | then look for X11 and whatever window manager you like |
| 23:41.42 | Yarou | gnome, KDE, FluxBox, |
| 23:41.42 | Yarou | etc |
| 23:42.00 | eeyore- | pjz: that would mean you'd have to settle on debian as OS of choice ... |
| 23:42.02 | Kasatka | Yarou: You mean type dselect into the computer? |
| 23:42.03 | eeyore- | pjz: no? |
| 23:42.04 | pjz | dondelelcaro: yeah, right now they're doing throwing tarballs around and such |
| 23:42.07 | doleyb | sparr: so what you want is a list of everything with a *.h in it? and you will install ALL of them, just on off chance you compile gyro-sensor-dev someday? |
| 23:42.12 | afabian | Kasatka, I'd use tasksel. Also, i don't think dselect is deprecated, but you might as well start using aptitude |
| 23:42.13 | pjz | eeyore-: yes, what of it? |
| 23:42.22 | Yarou | yes |
| 23:42.24 | Yarou | i do mean that |
| 23:42.30 | pjz | eeyore-: I'm already doing that for ease of administration |
| 23:42.31 | eeyore- | pjz: and your PtB don't mind about using debian as the OS of choice? |
| 23:42.36 | Kasatka | Ok, thanks mate. I'll try it out |
| 23:42.43 | Yarou | Kasatka: there's no simple answer for what you want, there's a plethora of WMs. |
| 23:42.52 | eeyore- | pjz: well if *you* already chose the OS then why do you even bother about the "powers that be" discussion? |
| 23:43.09 | sparr | doleyb: no, what i want is for something to grep a source tree for *.h, then find the packages with THOSE .h files and install them if i dont have them |
| 23:43.26 | Coweater | i'm trying to use kino with a dv cam on firewire, it needs access to /dev/raw1394 which is owned by root:disk, should i add myself to disk or is there a more appropriate method to allow access? |
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| 23:43.37 | pjz | eeyore-: b/c if it fails horribly they'll keep throwing tarballs around, and it might be the thin end of a wedge to get rid of debian |
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| 23:43.51 | eeyore- | Coweater: no, better chown /dev/raw1394 to "video" group and add yourself to "video" group |
| 23:43.54 | pjz | eeyore-: and go back to redhat, which I don't really want to administer |
| 23:44.00 | Yarou | w00ty |
| 23:44.12 | pjz | eeyore-: I'm still trying to get rid of some legacy rh7.2 machines |
| 23:44.27 | Coweater | eeyore-: won't that get reset on reboot though? |
| 23:44.28 | afabian | heh. who cares about security? |
| 23:44.44 | pjz | eeyore-: part of my argument is 'This is the last time we'll ever have to do any kind of from-scratch install on these machines' |
| 23:44.58 | pjz | eeyore-: in-place upgrades rock |
| 23:44.59 | Guerin | afabian: not fair! red hat 7.2 was relally secure when it was released ... i |
| 23:45.00 | Jeffreyf | are there any drivers for the S3 Trio3D |
| 23:45.08 | Guerin | n 2001 or so |
| 23:45.17 | afabian | Welcome to .. 2005! ;) |
| 23:45.30 | sparr | doleyb: ive already got 2800 packages installed, im not masochistic enough to install any more that i dont need |
| 23:45.36 | eeyore- | Coweater: if you use udev, time to change the udev rule matching that device |
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| 23:45.52 | pjz | Guerin: think there's any way to in-place upgrade a rh7.2 machine to something modern like fc4? |
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| 23:46.04 | Coweater | eeyore-: no udev, so i just have to reset it if i've rebooted? |
| 23:46.05 | pjz | Guerin: 'cuz I kinda doubt it |
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| 23:46.13 | Guerin | pjz: HELL no |
| 23:46.24 | jbroome | pjz: not really. that's WAY too many versions to transverse with an inplace upgrade |
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| 23:47.08 | Bogaurd | is it not possible to set a HD sleep time when its being used for LVM? mine dont seem to wanna spin down. |
| 23:47.08 | Guerin | i couldn't upgrade RH9 to FC1 or FC1 to FC2 |
| 23:47.12 | doleyb | sparr: installing every package with a header mentioned in some source tree would include stuff you don't need. It would pull in stuff that won't even be used in the compile, like mingw32 Microsoft compatibility headers, for instance. |
| 23:47.13 | pjz | right, so my current strategy is a FAI-CD |
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| 23:47.48 | pjz | one of the dev guys suggested I just install all debian packages on his machine and let him remove the ones he didn't want |
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| 23:47.59 | sparr | doleyb: good point. then how about it actually runs make, and looks for the headers that are missing by errors? |
| 23:47.59 | eeyore- | Coweater: it won't be "reset" unless you have a process (udev/devfs/etc) that changes it automatically! |
| 23:48.09 | afabian | All debian packages? All 15,000? |
| 23:48.11 | pjz | he didn't understand why I started giggling at that suggestion. |
| 23:48.15 | Yarou | erm, how do i configure X? |
| 23:48.17 | eeyore- | Coweater: do you feel things in /dev gets "reset" after every reboot? |
| 23:48.18 | pjz | that's what he said :) |
| 23:48.27 | Yarou | configure it again |
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| 23:48.45 | doleyb | sparr: could work, but would be a rather low-demand tool. People only need it a few times, then never again. |
| 23:48.51 | pjz | is there a good 'development' tasksel someplace? |
| 23:48.54 | afabian | I wonder how much diskspace that would take. |
| 23:48.58 | doleyb | pjz: it is not possible to install all packages, many packages are mutually conflicting. |
| 23:49.07 | eeyore- | another use for a frozen turkey http://www.local6.com/food/5380140/detail.html |
| 23:49.08 | Coweater | eeyore-: i thought device nodes were recreated at boot time |
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| 23:49.20 | doub | pjz, maybe the "build-essential" package ? |
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| 23:49.22 | ziupiu | Yarou, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:49.25 | pjz | doleyb: well, sure, and he recognized that and said 'well, just the ones that don't conflict' or somesuch |
| 23:49.29 | eeyore- | Coweater: only if you use devfs/udev subsystem, and only when they're plugged in |
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| 23:50.10 | Guerin | pjz: set up auto-apt |
| 23:50.11 | Coweater | ok, thanks |
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| 23:50.19 | pjz | Guerin: what's that? |
| 23:50.21 | sparr | doleyb: err, i would use it at least once a week, and ever day for the last two weeks |
| 23:50.31 | Guerin | pjz: that way, the first time any given file or library is needed, it can be installed automatically |
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| 23:50.40 | sparr | doleyb: 50% of the time i compile something i need a new header. about about 10% i have to get it from outside debian, which is annoying |
| 23:50.44 | pjz | Guerin: how's that work? |
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| 23:51.09 | sparr | right now im trying to compile the flu (fltk utilities) library, which itself requires fltk stuff that i didnt have installed |
| 23:51.18 | pjz | oh, I see. interesting. |
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| 23:51.22 | Guerin | pjz: you run a program inside it, and it monitors the output of said program for files it needs, and gives you the option of installing them |
| 23:51.24 | doleyb | sparr: well you have a very odd usage pattern, it'd take serious work to find 7 different source packages needing 10 different background libs. |
| 23:51.29 | Guerin | pjz: can be automated |
| 23:51.32 | ecliptik | what alternatives to g++/gcc are there for linux? |
| 23:51.38 | doub | sparr, compare this with what happens on rh or fc, where you have to get everything from outside |
| 23:51.43 | pjz | Guerin: very cool, thanks, I didn't know about that one. |
| 23:52.26 | Guerin | pjz: but by and large, as long as people are using apt-get build-dep, it's a non-issue |
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| 23:52.27 | pjz | Guerin: any suggs on how to keep the package lists of a large number of machines in sync? |
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| 23:52.40 | Guerin | pjz: central stable sepository + security; automated updates |
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| 23:53.12 | Guerin | pjz: run your own local repository for maximum benefit |
| 23:53.15 | pjz | Guerin: what's the best way to automate updates? |
| 23:53.18 | Guerin | it's not wildly hard to do |
| 23:53.22 | pjz | Guerin: I'm doing that bit already :) |
| 23:53.23 | Guerin | pjz: cron-apt |
| 23:53.41 | Guerin | pjz: if you're only using stable+security, it's relatively safe |
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| 23:55.37 | pjz | Guerin: hints on building my own mirror? I'm using apt-ftparchive right now |
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| 23:55.49 | pjz | wait, I mean I'm using debmirror right now |
| 23:55.51 | Guerin | pjz: apt-proxy, if it still works |
| 23:56.05 | pjz | I think I couldn't get that to work |
| 23:56.36 | doub | Guerin, it sometimes does |
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| 23:56.56 | patryk-state-ma | hi |
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| 23:57.43 | Guerin | otherwise there are anonymous rsync instructions; |
| 23:57.44 | dondelelcaro | pjz: depends on what you want to mirror. If you want the entire archive, use one of the rsync scrypts. |
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| 23:57.57 | Guerin | if you just want one arch, it's a bit tricky, I think |
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| 23:58.15 | doub | Guerin, but now being a python twisted program, it wastes RAM as fast as an american car uses gas. and crashes from time to time without reason or notice |
| 23:58.19 | pjz | I really only need one arch + security |
| 23:58.29 | Guerin | doub: i've noticed that about it too |
| 23:58.32 | sfullenwider | so, debian testing is just like windows, everything is up to date but 1/3 of it doesn't work right |
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| 23:58.41 | Kasatka_ | Hey Yarou: I went into dselect but there are way to many menu's. What do i look under to pick my GUI? |
| 23:58.43 | Guerin | sfullenwider: no. |
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| 23:59.21 | doub | Guerin, but if you omit those details, it's a hell of a useful thing |
| 23:59.24 | Guerin | Kasatka_: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm xfce4 |
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| 23:59.45 | sfullenwider | how do you use wcfe (wfce?) if it's not listed in gdm-manager (initial login screen) ? |
| 23:59.49 | doleyb | Kasatka_: people who say "use dselect" are doing a practical joke on you. You should only use aptitude, tasksel, or apt-get. |
