| 00:00.05 | dondelelcaro | if you're happy with dselect, there's nothing wrong with it |
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| 00:00.16 | Kasatka_ | I'll try apt-get |
| 00:00.16 | dondelelcaro | and using tasksel or apt-get is generally not advised. |
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| 00:00.33 | doleyb | dondelelcaro: and if you've never heard of dselect, you will Not be happy with it. |
| 00:00.55 | Agrajag- | what's wrong with apt-get? |
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| 00:01.18 | Guerin | Agrajag-: it's not aptitude |
| 00:01.20 | js_ | i get millions of these in dmesg: "svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request" .. what do they mean? |
| 00:01.28 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: depends; some people like it. |
| 00:01.29 | Kerr | hmm |
| 00:01.49 | Kerr | i'm throttled to under 10kb/s for http/ftp and bittorrent won't connect. |
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| 00:01.53 | Agrajag- | Guerin: that's not very convincing for me :) |
| 00:02.21 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: but why would you advise against apt-get? |
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| 00:02.29 | nightwatch | hi there, I'd like to install debian for 64 bits arch (EM64T), I know that 32bits applicatins run on it as well but I'd like to use pure 64 applications. my question is if there is a official version of debian for 64bits, or if there's any.. and where can I get it. there are some apt repositories for 64bits too? |
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| 00:02.39 | doleyb | Agrajag-: well, you could say that apt-get is virtually a pure subset of aptitude. |
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| 00:02.57 | doleyb | !tell nightwatch about amd64 |
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| 00:03.15 | mtnman | doleyb: or aptitude is a superset of apt-get... apt-get existed first iirc. |
| 00:03.25 | doub | doleyb, one could also say that aptitude is a superset of apt-get ;) |
| 00:03.36 | Kerr | my current install is corrupt, i use an ext3 filesystem; is there a safe way to shrink the partition by 7-8gb, so i can reinstall and keep this partition intact? |
| 00:03.47 | doub | mtnman, you won! ;) |
| 00:03.51 | doleyb | nightwatch: however, be prepared, you will have trouble if you want 32 bit apps like drivers, codecs, plugins, lots of 3rd-party commercial stuff. |
| 00:04.20 | Agrajag- | doleyb: so if apt-get does everything i want it to do, then it's ok to use? it doesn't do anything wrong? |
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| 00:04.37 | nightwatch | [doleyb]: I will. thks advice. |
| 00:04.39 | patryk-state-ma | Kerr, yeah there is |
| 00:04.41 | mtnman | agrajag-: i |
| 00:04.43 | doleyb | Agrajag-: oh, i always use apt-get instead of aptitude, the ncurses gui is too scaring for me. |
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| 00:04.50 | secher_ | since apropos is so widely used, would it not mmake sense to put search terms in man pages, i.e. for import use "screenshot,capture,screen"? or has this been considered already? |
| 00:04.51 | mtnman | agrajag-: i've not had problems with apt-get |
| 00:05.33 | patryk-state-ma | Kerr: if you need a good resizing tool, the install cd for Mandrake has a great tool that'll resize NTFS and linux partitions. |
| 00:05.42 | Kerr | i use apt get, as synaptic is freakishly ugly? |
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| 00:06.11 | Kerr | patryk-state-ma: my cd burner software will not run, this installation is corrupt. |
| 00:06.28 | patryk-state-ma | I don't remember the name of it but you can download the 1st CD of mandrake .. |
| 00:06.30 | patryk-state-ma | aw crap |
| 00:06.36 | patryk-state-ma | well you can get online right? |
| 00:06.45 | Kerr | .... |
| 00:06.50 | doleyb | Kerr: reinstall all your basic packages. |
| 00:06.55 | mtnman | kerr: your conclusion does not naturally follow your observation. |
| 00:07.09 | patryk-state-ma | you could use lynx (if you don't have a gui) goto google and find out the disk tool that drake uses and possibly apt-get that :/ |
| 00:07.18 | sparr | is there a way to ucase or lcase a variable in bash? |
| 00:07.40 | mtnman | patryk: or you could apt-cache search resize|grep partiion |
| 00:07.52 | doub | secher_, man pages are intended to be a command or function reference, hence you need to know what you're looking for |
| 00:08.04 | Kerr | apt-get update won't work as gzip won't run |
| 00:08.08 | Kerr | my installation is corrupt. |
| 00:08.09 | patryk-state-ma | doh |
| 00:08.13 | secher_ | Agrajag- I use apt-get for one simple reason... my hands never have to leave the keyboard. it's fast, simple and with the other apt-* tools, I can do everything I need, search, install, check dependencies, troubleshoot, and remove. |
| 00:08.14 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 00:08.14 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 00:08.17 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: ^^^ |
| 00:08.22 | patryk-state-ma | Kerr what about dpkg? |
| 00:08.27 | patryk-state-ma | does that work? |
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| 00:08.34 | patryk-state-ma | you could goto packages.debian.org |
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| 00:08.50 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: then figure out if gzip, tar, and ar work. |
| 00:08.59 | dondelelcaro | (or better, if dpkg-deb -x works) |
| 00:09.27 | doleyb | Kerr: forexample, run apt-rdepends k3b, and then take that list, and feed it to apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 00:09.58 | doleyb | Kerr: and whatever drive-crash mushed your core libs will hopefully be healed. (If the HD is still workable, and not permanently bad) |
| 00:10.04 | mike_sol | so who here is going to try to get one of those $100 laptops? |
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| 00:10.37 | Kerr | i'll give it a go |
| 00:10.38 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: that will only work if dpkg and apt-get work. |
| 00:10.55 | bleaked | what might cause konsole to produce a font error and not display a prompt? |
| 00:10.55 | Kerr | i think i'll rdepends kaffeine, as i was in the middle of watching a dvd *sob* |
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| 00:11.06 | Kasatka | Ok, back |
| 00:11.13 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: which error? |
| 00:11.20 | Kasatka | apt-get install gnome did not work |
| 00:11.23 | doleyb | dondelelcaro: well i assume everyone can ssh into multiple offsite boxes |
| 00:11.34 | Kerr | apt-rdepends is not found.. |
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| 00:11.42 | dondelelcaro | ssh'ing doesn't really matter either. |
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| 00:11.51 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: what is the precise error from apt-get? |
| 00:12.01 | psychonate | Does anyone use lm-sensors on 2.6? What must one do besides install lm-sensors? |
| 00:12.09 | bleaked | dondelelcaro: Font '-misc-console-medium-r-normal=16-160-72-72-c-08-iso10646-1' |
| 00:12.12 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: #flood ? |
| 00:12.16 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: sure |
| 00:12.17 | psychonate | Is there some kind of setup to run? |
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| 00:12.21 | mtnman | psychonate: um, read the docs...? |
| 00:12.24 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: on the apt-get thing; primarily because it doesn't keep track of which packages you've installed, and which ones have come along as dependencies |
| 00:12.29 | secher_ | Or here's another idea. a utility that'll insert search terms into man pages as needed. For example, I rarely need a screenshot, so I forgot that import has that facility. Nor does it have the term screenshot in it's info section. a util that I'm suggesting would insert the term screenshot into the man page since that's what *I* used with apropos. Good idea? Bad idea? Sod off hoser? |
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| 00:12.51 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/the.earth.li_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages; and run apt-get update; again. |
| 00:13.07 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: it does tell you which are depends (think it calls them extra) but not sure what you mean by |
| 00:13.14 | mtnman | "keep track of" |
| 00:13.33 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: if you install foo which depends on bar, and then later remove foo, bar will be removed as well if you use aptitude. |
| 00:13.41 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: if you use just apt-get, it won't. |
| 00:13.41 | mtnman | ah.. |
| 00:13.55 | redloff | when I play .rm file with mplayer, and seek trough the stream, audio desynchronizes with picture, what should I do? |
| 00:14.01 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: that's why i use deporphan ... |
| 00:14.10 | mtnman | deborphan, that is |
| 00:14.11 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: the experimental versions of aptitude are also a lot more powerful, as they enable you to choose solutions to problems that apt-get runs into |
| 00:14.19 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: right; you need something else besides apt-get... |
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| 00:14.33 | doleyb | redloff: (a) ask #mplayer (b) re-encode as AVI first, then play and seek |
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| 00:14.47 | redloff | thx |
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| 00:14.56 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: i see the difference, however i don't see how that adds up to apt-get being "generally not advised" |
| 00:15.10 | bleaked | dondelelcaro: i mentioned my error, idk, did you see it? |
| 00:15.11 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: it's installing :) |
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| 00:15.25 | sfullenwider | what about synaptic? |
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| 00:15.40 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: i take it that fsck making 4.7% of the partition non-contingent is a whole lot of dead libs :-/ ? |
| 00:15.47 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: I mean in that I won't advise that people who don't already have a preference using it. |
| 00:15.52 | Kerr | 74mb partition |
| 00:15.55 | Kerr | gb^ |
| 00:15.55 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: eh? |
| 00:15.55 | Kerr | err |
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| 00:16.11 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: the error you got doesn't really indicate that. It just means that that packages file got smrkinized. |
| 00:16.17 | secher_ | If 1 was unstable and 5 was Win*, and 10 is unusable, where does experimental rank in the stability range? |
| 00:16.53 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: (not that someone who already knows what they're doing shouldn't... ) |
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| 00:17.05 | Kerr | pc died, filesystem check found most of everything wrong; duplicate blocks, active blocks with dtime, missized blocks.. err, it was bad. |
| 00:17.20 | Kasatka | Does anyone know how i can install and use the gnome GUI on my debian system? It's currently running in text mode |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: well, run fsck; and then see what else failed. |
| 00:17.31 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: around the time of hamm, there was not even an apt-get, let alone aptitude. when i first used apt-get dist-upgrade, i thought i'd reached packaging heaven. |
| 00:17.43 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: heh. I can imagine. |
| 00:17.50 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: ran it about a dozen times in maintenance mode; it was fond of hanging or kernel panicking. |
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| 00:18.13 | secher_ | kasatka: have you tried apt-get install gnome? |
| 00:18.18 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: uh... that really sounds like you've got some dodgy hardware/drive there. Stop what you're doing and back up. |
| 00:18.26 | Kasatka | Yes, It says it can't find the package |
| 00:18.37 | EdLin | secher_: if you have to ask you shouldn't |
| 00:18.51 | secher_ | EdLin: in reference to what? |
| 00:19.02 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: my friend runs soldier of fortune 2 a lot under cedega, which crashes the pc a lot. i think it's been through a few dozen crashes without being fscked. |
| 00:19.04 | EdLin | secher_: whether you should use experimental |
| 00:19.16 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 00:19.36 | Kerr | maybe more. |
| 00:20.02 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: well, I'd suggest backing up anyway... |
| 00:20.06 | psychonate | well, I guess, lm-sensors actually isn't too bad once one discovers 'sensors-detect' |
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| 00:20.21 | secher_ | EdLin: Thanks I'll keep that in mind. |
| 00:20.23 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: k3b won't run :) |
| 00:20.31 | thc | !beer abrotman |
| 00:20.35 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:20.35 | Kasatka | I'm going to try something, Be back in a sec |
| 00:20.35 | thc | Kasatka: running sarge? |
| 00:20.44 | Kasatka | thc: Yes |
| 00:20.49 | thc | !info gnome sarge |
| 00:20.56 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 00:21.02 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: what is the error? |
| 00:21.04 | thc | it's right there. |
| 00:21.06 | Kerr | dph just pulled a pint of something that sounds liek a tropical disease. |
| 00:21.11 | Kerr | dpkg^ |
| 00:21.14 | Kerr | like^ |
| 00:21.15 | Kerr | geh |
| 00:21.16 | blaze | Hey all, I am looking in my snort email logs and I see that my computer has 7 portsweeps to 7 different ips. Any ideas what this could mean? |
| 00:21.34 | Kasatka | thc: Thanks, I'll try that also |
| 00:21.40 | blaze | other then "pwnzerized" |
| 00:21.43 | secher_ | LOL |
| 00:21.44 | Kerr | ERROR: Communication problem with k3b, it probably crashed. |
| 00:21.55 | EdLin | secher_: incidentally, on another thing you were talking about, I think tkman has the ability to search through man pages - and "apropos" has the ability to search man page descriptions. |
| 00:21.55 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: mostly everything won't run. |
| 00:21.56 | blockd | blaze: nope... do you mean 7 different ports or do you really have 7 different IPs? |
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| 00:22.16 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 00:22.16 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 00:22.17 | blockd | blaze: even then... doesn't really say much |
| 00:22.21 | blaze | No I mean My computer is portsweeping 7 computers on random ips over the internet |
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| 00:22.35 | blaze | and I am not doinging any portscans. |
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| 00:22.42 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: run the first of the above commands after backing up, and then see what is still broken. |
| 00:22.48 | blaze | s/doinging/doing |
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| 00:23.07 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: back up a 74gb partition... to .. ? |
| 00:23.25 | blaze | What exactally is a "Portsweep" |
| 00:23.32 | blockd | blaze: it's telling you that you're scanning a full range of ports... it couldn't just be a traceroute or something? |
| 00:23.39 | mtnman | kerr: you don't need the whole partition, i would imagine it's not even full. |
| 00:23.44 | sfullenwider | how do you run java apps? |
| 00:23.48 | secher_ | Edlin: right. I'm suggesting a util that'll allow someone to add search phrases _they_ use into man page descriptions. |
| 00:23.52 | Kerr | i think i have a 4gb drive i soemtime back my home dir to. |
| 00:24.09 | blaze | I haven't run any commands like that lately. |
| 00:24.28 | mtnman | kerr: why not just install onto the system partition to the 4gb |
| 00:24.42 | blockd | blaze: then I'd yank the network cable and check the system out. I'm not a forensics expert, but you might try running a boot disk to check the system out. |
| 00:24.58 | doleyb | secher_: well, its easy enough to keep a little text file with 1-liner hints about what progs you've used to solve certain problems, then grep it as needed. |
| 00:25.08 | blaze | like i said. rooted. *sigh*. |
| 00:25.18 | blockd | blaze: if you're really 'pwned' then there could be a kernel rootkit installed. In any event, I'd wipe and reinstall. |
| 00:25.31 | blaze | well I would like to at least do some examination |
| 00:25.43 | doleyb | blaze: for fun, do "netstat -tnap" |
| 00:25.58 | blockd | blaze: that's why I suggested using a bootdisk. You couldn't trust the kernel and userland tools to examine the system. |
| 00:25.59 | abrotman | !tell sfullenwider about install java |
| 00:26.26 | blaze | hrmm, what am I looking for with netstat |
| 00:26.30 | Kerr | 60gb = used.. |
| 00:26.42 | mtnman | blaze: something like knoppix will give you most of the tools you'd want to examine the disk. |
| 00:26.48 | doleyb | blaze: well, just to see what prog was doing the scans (if it's listed, and it could be hiding) |
| 00:26.51 | blaze | nope |
| 00:26.58 | blaze | there is not anything. |
| 00:27.12 | blaze | well. this will be fun atleast :P |
| 00:27.19 | doleyb | blaze: it's safest to power it down immediately, a guy could start downloading child pr0n onto your system, and police come to you. |
| 00:27.20 | Kerr | mtnman: i'll just burn a cd after downloading it over my horrificaly capped net and burn it with my broken k3b and install then.. |
| 00:27.23 | blockd | blaze: maybe try rkdetect or chkrootkit. I don't think there's Debian packages for them though. They /might/ turn something up. |
| 00:27.36 | crash3m_ | rkhunter |
| 00:27.45 | doleyb | blockd: there are deb packages |
| 00:27.48 | crash3m_ | beware the false postives! |
| 00:27.49 | blaze | alright |
| 00:27.54 | thc | chkrootkit has been packaged, but i've seen it output normally on a known rooted server |
| 00:27.56 | mtnman | blaze: you can also fire up another machine on the network segment and run something like iptraf to watch the connections the suspect machine makes. |
| 00:27.58 | secher_ | This is one of these questions for which people usually get derided, however I'm going to brave the wrath of #debian and ask: I'm used to E and CLI. Will I truly find more utility in Gnome that I do not already have? |
| 00:28.18 | blaze | thats what I will do. |
| 00:28.25 | blockd | doleyb: right you are, but I don't see one for rkdetect |
| 00:28.27 | mtnman | thc: i would try to run chkrootkit from something like a knoppix boot disk |
| 00:28.35 | nekostar | !d-i conpile kernel |
| 00:28.36 | dpkg | conpile kernel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:28.42 | blaze | even then, what can I do? All i will see is the same thing snort tells me... |
| 00:29.05 | blockd | hm maybe that's because I got the name wrong... it's the one from rootkit.nl |
| 00:29.07 | thc | mtnman: i don't even mess with chkrootkit, if i have any suspicion that someone has gained root, i will reinstall |
| 00:29.16 | Xenguy | thc: also crosscheck with 'rkhunter' |
| 00:29.20 | sfullenwider | do you need to compile them? |
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| 00:29.38 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: i'm pretty sure the os is in the state it's in because i've let it crash unchecked for weeks and weeks of use; not because of bad hardware. |
| 00:29.39 | doleyb | secher_: i really don't think so.. in fact, I'd say kde is slightly preferable to a CLI-user. Because it's less agressively GUI "simplified". |
| 00:29.56 | Xenguy | sfullenwider: they're both in sid now AFAIK |
| 00:29.58 | blockd | rkhunter, but I still don't see it as a deb |
| 00:30.30 | Xenguy | blockd: it's a very easy/simple install (has it's own shell script) |
| 00:30.39 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: still, i'd much rather somehow shrink this partition and get an install in alongside it (the 4gb drive is much slower. I don't want to bottleneck performance.) |
| 00:31.06 | secher_ | doleyb: Thanks. I really don't want to spend the time and space getting 200+M of files for naught. |
| 00:31.12 | blockd | Xenguy: I know, I used it before... but it was said that there are. |
| 00:31.13 | Xenguy | secher_: If you don't have screaming hardware, then xfce4 is quite useable |
| 00:31.26 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: would you say it's worth reinstalling as you stated above, without backing up? or is there risk of the fielsystem falling apart at the seams? |
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| 00:31.40 | Xenguy | blockd: like I mentioned to someone else, they are both in sid/unstable now |
| 00:31.57 | secher_ | Xenguy: I have great hardware, I just like E and teh commmand line. |
| 00:32.11 | blockd | Xenguy: OK, it wasn't for me anyway... my view is pretty limited to stable atm |
| 00:32.12 | mtnman | kerr: it's only neccessary to backup if there is something on the partition that you care to keep. |
| 00:32.34 | Kerr | a lot, actually :-/ |
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| 00:32.54 | Xenguy | blockd: no worries, you can still install it manually - it is worth having both those tools running on cron jobs IMHO |
| 00:32.55 | Kerr | more than i would have room/resources to back up. |
| 00:32.57 | mtnman | kerr: if you really care about the partition, i would recommend against resize. |
| 00:33.09 | mtnman | kerr: if you really care about the partition, i would recommend against resize. |
| 00:33.18 | mtnman | esp if it is corrupt |
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| 00:33.42 | Xenguy | secher_: I use what works for me, and whatever hardware I have. On fast hardware I like GNOME, on slower hardware I have used wmaker, and more recently I'm really enjoying xfce4 |
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| 00:34.44 | black_Nightmare | does 'hostname:' mean something like www.yourisp.com or no? |
| 00:35.04 | mtnman | black_nightmare: no. read man hostname for info. |
| 00:35.20 | doleyb | black_Nightmare: if it's asking you for that during a system install, then make up a name for your computer. |
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| 00:36.08 | sfullenwider | any recomendations? |
| 00:36.10 | secher_ | Xenguy: I was asking because I don't want to hassle relearning an interface if there's no decisive benefit. Hell, I only use E so I can see multiple terminals at one time. |
| 00:36.19 | secher_ | sfullenwider: amule |
| 00:36.33 | Kerr | my swap is 1464584k.. guess that would be enough room for an install? |
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| 00:36.46 | doleyb | secher_: if you _really_ only use E for switching terms, then consider ratpoison. (jk) |
| 00:37.01 | anuvis | pakage , web for console??? |
| 00:37.02 | black_Nightmare | ic duh I see what a hostname is now...sheesh lol |
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| 00:37.05 | dvs | Kerr: That's actually too big for a swap partition. I think it has a 1 GB limit |
| 00:37.07 | black_Nightmare | remind me why I like 56K sometimes lol |
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| 00:37.22 | nite613 | I'm having a logcheck problem I can't track down. Please see #flood |
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| 00:37.31 | mtnman | black_nightmare: it beats 33.6 |
| 00:37.37 | Xenguy | secher_: I don't know E at all, but I don't see what major gain you would get from going to GNOME/KDE if that is your usage pattern |
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| 00:37.49 | black_Nightmare | no mtnman..lol..I mean 56K is so simple to set up for sometimes |
| 00:37.52 | Kerr | dvs: i didn't have any other use for the space, i didn't want to -fill- the drive with my root partition, just so there would be useable space for a rescue install.. |
| 00:37.57 | Rawplayer | is there a chattr for reiserfs? |
| 00:37.58 | black_Nightmare | just enter your phone number, user/password and you're off |
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| 00:38.29 | secher_ | doleyb: SWEET! never heard of that before. It is less overhead than E and still decent on the eyes? |
| 00:38.53 | doleyb | secher_: well, there's hardly anything to see (unlike E, which spends effort on graphical faniciness) |
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| 00:38.56 | mtnman | dvs: mine was a radio shack and you had to flip a switch when you heard the carrier tone... |
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| 00:39.10 | thc | mtnman: that's leet |
| 00:39.38 | mtnman | thc: at least it was direct connect and didn't have that thingy to put the handset in... |
| 00:39.42 | Kerr | what are the risks of a !reinstall ? |
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| 00:39.50 | JoeG | Ma Bell wouldn't let you connect anything to their lines 'cept their stuff |
| 00:40.03 | secher_ | dvs: Heh, I know what you mean. I remember my Dad and Mom's first phone bill after I got my modem, a ripping 9600 baud. |
| 00:40.04 | dvs | mtnman: ouch! You win. Mine had an on/off switch (one of those silver flip switches) but connection was pretty automatic |
| 00:40.05 | JoeG | So we had to use the acoustic box modems |
| 00:40.08 | lightbright | when I use my dvd burner to try to burn something to it using gnomebaker, it says doesnt seem to appear to be juliet or something FAILED! what can be wrong? |
| 00:40.17 | secher_ | mtnman: Did you have an acoustic coupler? |
| 00:40.22 | mtnman | joeg: they started letting people use their own equipment around the late 70's |
| 00:40.24 | brianski | random question: anyone here ever had a problem with pipe buffering on debian, but it just works on e.g. BSD (or perhaps another linux distro)? |
| 00:40.28 | JoeG | yup |
| 00:40.30 | mtnman | secher_: no i missed out on those. |
| 00:40.42 | doleyb | secher_: here is an article promoting ratpoison + mostly terminals, http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/581/ |
| 00:40.56 | secher_ | mtnman: as did I and I count myself lucky. |
| 00:40.57 | JoeG | mtnman: yup couldn't remember when they did that |
| 00:41.03 | secher_ | doleyb: Thanks! |
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| 00:41.28 | mtnman | joeg: though many people would connect bandit phones even before it was officially allowed. |
| 00:41.43 | secher_ | mtnman: although I'd like to log some time on a card punch machine just to get a feel for the experience. |
| 00:41.55 | secher_ | and to say I did it. |
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| 00:41.59 | mtnman | secher_: card punch was my first computing experience. |
| 00:42.09 | JoeG | secher is a glutton for punishment |
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| 00:42.20 | secher_ | mtnman: really! nice. |
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| 00:42.37 | thc | mtnman: are you sad that your all your best friends died? (the dinosaurs) |
| 00:42.45 | mtnman | secher_: the best thing is that the card punches were on the other side of the school... |
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| 00:42.54 | secher_ | mtnman: LOL |
| 00:42.58 | MrBallZ | I'm trying to install kzen explorer, and i get a lot of errors when i do " make " , " undefined reference to 'NJB_ ******* ' any pointers ? |
| 00:43.04 | secher_ | in December. |
| 00:43.17 | mtnman | secher_: made it easy to sneak out and my computer class was last period! |
| 00:43.35 | JoeG | mtnman: have you ever been carrying a stack of cards and someone bumps you and knocks them outta your hands? |
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| 00:43.51 | mtnman | joeg: that is what elastic bands are for. |
| 00:43.56 | JoeG | lol |
| 00:44.08 | secher_ | mtnman: I had a prof who was carrying a box of cards on his way to the lab, tried to hold the door for a classmate of the attractive female sex, and dropped them..... |
| 00:44.30 | mtnman | joeg: i actually saw a small suitcase type thing the size of a box of punchcards designed for carrying your software around. |
| 00:44.36 | JoeG | omg, secher_ |
| 00:44.57 | JoeG | back before jewel cases gained popularity, eh? |
| 00:45.05 | secher_ | JoeG: Not me, a prof of mine. |
| 00:45.13 | mtnman | joeg: before jewel cases even existed. |
| 00:45.30 | JoeG | secher_: how long did it take your prof to resort all the cards? |
| 00:45.34 | secher_ | Hell, Drum storage was the holy grail. |
| 00:45.43 | JoeG | kidding, mtnman |
| 00:45.45 | secher_ | JoeG: didn't say, hours I assume. |
| 00:45.52 | JoeG | lol |
| 00:45.54 | JoeG | I bet |
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| 00:46.30 | JoeG | mtnman: how did you sort the cards for your batch jobs? As in, how did you mark them for sorting?> |
| 00:46.32 | JoeG | ? |
| 00:46.47 | JoeG | ...er... correct order |
| 00:46.48 | mtnman | joeg: well, it was fortran, so each line was numbered anyhow. |
| 00:47.04 | JoeG | fortran <shudder> |
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| 00:48.16 | JoeG | afk |
| 00:48.21 | secher_ | I assume everyone here's read about real programmers? |
| 00:48.25 | secher_ | Mel? |
| 00:48.44 | Guerin | nope |
| 00:49.15 | brianski | ...use uncommented perl with no whitespace |
| 00:49.18 | SimonRaven | mel who? there's probably 10s of thousands |
| 00:49.19 | secher_ | http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html |
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| 00:49.35 | Fendor | Anyone ever used this 'rain' package? |
| 00:49.51 | secher_ | Take 3 minutes and read that.. it's... great. |
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| 00:50.13 | Guerin | Fendor: no. not even the maintainer uses it. |
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| 00:50.52 | secher_ | Can someone make a factoid for Mel? His story should not be lost. |
| 00:51.02 | secher_ | And Kibo |
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| 00:51.17 | blaze | , |
| 00:51.21 | blaze | opps. |
| 00:51.38 | mtnman | dpkg mel is see http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html |
| 00:51.39 | dpkg | ...but mel is already something else... |
| 00:51.46 | mtnman | dpkg mel |
| 00:51.46 | dpkg | mel is, like, a Real Programmer. http://www.clueless.com/jargon3.0.0/The_Story_of_Mel,_a_Real_Programmer.html |
| 00:51.49 | bleaked | i am doing an install from scratch. in order to install alsa, i should just grab 'alsa-utils', then run alsaconf, correct? |
| 00:51.57 | Fendor | Guerin, It's a piece of shit. |
| 00:52.00 | secher_ | Well, there we go.. |
| 00:52.11 | secher_ | Thanks mtnman. |
| 00:52.18 | Fendor | Guerin, Sends incorrect TCP packets. |
| 00:52.20 | mtnman | secher_: not that i did anything... |
| 00:52.21 | Guerin | Fendor: file a bug against it |
| 00:52.31 | thingfish | bleaked: no, first install alsa-base, and it'll pull alsa-utils. |
| 00:52.31 | Guerin | Fendor: with rather more detail than you have here |
| 00:52.46 | bleaked | thingfish: ah..ok, thanks. |
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| 00:53.29 | Fendor | Guerin, Doing so right now. |
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| 00:54.09 | bleaked | thingfish: alsaconf does not seem to be able to detect my card.. |
| 00:54.25 | dvs | bleaked: which kernel? |
| 00:54.48 | bleaked | dvs: 2.6.14 |
| 00:54.57 | dvs | bleaked: Debian kernel? |
| 00:55.04 | bleaked | no, custom. |
| 00:55.17 | bleaked | i checked the alsa site, found my driver, it's compiled in.. |
| 00:55.18 | dvs | bleaked: You didn't compile the proper modules then |
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| 00:55.40 | bleaked | dvs: do you know what modules off hand? |
| 00:56.16 | doleyb | bleaked: alsa suggests their drivers be left as modules. |
| 00:56.24 | dvs | bleaked: What sound chip do you have? lspci | grep audio |
| 00:57.01 | SimonRaven | nice story |
| 00:57.17 | bleaked | dvs: well i have a creative soundblaster pci128, however lspci reports it as: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI |
| 00:57.22 | SimonRaven | thanks secher_ |
| 00:58.03 | dvs | bleaked: I used to have one of those but the right driver slips my mind now |
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| 00:58.55 | bleaked | dvs: ok, well thanks for your help. well actually, one quick question. |
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| 00:59.46 | abrotman | i have a question! |
| 01:00.00 | SimonRaven | i have an answer! |
| 01:00.02 | brianski | I HAVE AN ANSWER! |
| 01:00.03 | brianski | damn |
| 01:00.10 | dvs | bleaked: shoot |
| 01:00.12 | secher_ | Egad I love that story. |
| 01:00.15 | thc | abrotman has a question? |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | why doesn't apt-get install oracle work ? |
| 01:00.17 | thc | *plonk* |
| 01:00.19 | bleaked | dvs: i'm not used to make-kpkg kernel-image..i'm used to doing it by hand. if i have a compiled kernel, and i make a change in menuconfig, will just re-running 'make-kpkg kernel-image' incorporate that change into the outputted kernel image deb file? |
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| 01:00.41 | dvs | bleaked: no, it will create a whole new file |
| 01:00.45 | Guerin | abrotman: because you don't have your sources.list set up right |
| 01:00.45 | secher_ | SimonRaven: My pleasure.. I'm glad you liked it. It's what helped get me into computers and *NIX in general. |
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| 01:01.27 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: i can't apt-get install --reinstall stuff, as i need to apt-get update, which doesn't work. |
| 01:01.28 | bleaked | dvs: under the same name of '10.00.Custom.deb'? and i would just merge that deb in? |
| 01:01.54 | frank4zen | polls showing widespread dissatisfaction over the country's direction, the GOP suffered a series of bruising blows |
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| 01:02.13 | dvs | bleaked: no, it will be its own separate deb. |
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| 01:02.35 | secher_ | frank4zen: Heh.. finally, everyone else's catching up.... |
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| 01:02.47 | nekostar | er |
| 01:03.01 | secher_ | Czia, magyar. |
| 01:03.03 | djk_ | can anyone recommend a program to create torrents, azureus is giving me problems? |
| 01:03.04 | frank4zen | secher yes\ |
| 01:03.04 | nekostar | would anyone mind explaining what the different patches are all about at kernel.org? |
| 01:03.53 | nekostar | i want to build the 2-6.14.2 kernel but i dont understand if i need the patches and if i do which and what they are for... |
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| 01:03.57 | nekostar | sorry im rather clueless |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | nekostar: #kernel ? |
| 01:04.09 | brianski | nekostar - if you are asking, you probably don't care :) |
| 01:04.09 | bleaked | nekostar: i believe a quick search on kerneltrap.org will explain the patches.. |
| 01:04.18 | bleaked | nekostar: no, you don't need the patches |
| 01:04.40 | nekostar | ah |
| 01:04.49 | bleaked | nekostar: you may, however, want to use certain features or support within a patched kernel |
| 01:04.51 | sparr | for a first attempt at making a debian package, would a library that uses configure+make and produces 2 libs and a dozen header files be a good or bad choice? |
| 01:04.53 | nekostar | ok awesome... i downloaded em just in case.. |
| 01:04.54 | secher_ | nekostar: I have one thing to say: don't get discouraged. Being able to build yoru own kernel is one of the most rewarding and useful skills you will develop in the GNU/Linux world. |
| 01:05.00 | nekostar | sweet :D |
| 01:05.10 | bleaked | nekostar: and there are a lot of patches out there. |
| 01:05.13 | nekostar | ive already messed up once... im bound to get it right somehow :D |
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| 01:05.26 | Kerr | what isthe most reliable way to resize a partition without data loss? |
| 01:05.37 | bleaked | nekostar: yea..sometimes it takes quite a few tries..once you know your hardware and what you need, it's a sinch. |
| 01:05.42 | secher_ | nekostar: I've messed up hunderds of times. |
| 01:05.50 | nekostar | lol secher_ :P |
| 01:05.51 | bleaked | Kerr: backup. |
| 01:05.53 | brianski | kerr - don't resize it |
| 01:05.54 | sparr | in terms of patches, there are 3 approaches. 1) read them all, decide on your own. 2) dont use any except what the kernel devs accept into the main tree. 3) use the ones your distro provides (gentoo is big on this) |
| 01:05.56 | brianski | what bleaked said |
| 01:06.01 | magyar | secher, ahoy |
| 01:06.18 | nekostar | ah i c sparr |
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| 01:06.21 | Kerr | i don't have anything to backup to. |
| 01:06.38 | deadcat | can someone explain what the f is this page saying? http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/6R00E00EKU.html |
| 01:06.39 | nekostar | i think ill go without any patches and try to make a successful one that at least doesnt go into kernel panic :D |
| 01:06.46 | bleaked | Kerr: i wouldn't resize unless you really really have to..it's not a cut and dry thing. |
| 01:07.11 | nekostar | is there a apt-get build-dep i can use to make sure i have what i need to build the kernel? |
| 01:07.12 | bleaked | nekostar: a lot of kernel panics come from incorrect IDE support. |
| 01:07.25 | nekostar | ide eh... *makes note* |
| 01:07.27 | sparr | nekostar: most important thing... compile in support for your IDE controller and the filesystem on your root drive |
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| 01:07.40 | nekostar | riser/ide yeah |
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| 01:07.47 | brianski | deadcat - it's saying "upgrade sudo" |
| 01:07.48 | bleaked | nekostar: no, they're separate things.. |
| 01:07.51 | Kerr | bleaked: either the filesystem or the os is corrupt. hardly anythign works. i can't apt-get. the only editor that will start is nano, the only browser lynx... |
| 01:08.18 | nekostar | is it safe to just include all the ide options and everything like riserfs and ext3 options? or do i need to pick stuff i would use only? |
| 01:08.28 | brianski | kerr - libraries gone |
| 01:08.30 | caphuso | deadcat: that sudo fails to clear the SHELLOPTS and PS4 environment variables |
| 01:08.37 | dvs | nekostar: it's a good idea to choose only what you need |
| 01:08.37 | Kerr | brianski: yup. |
| 01:08.43 | nekostar | ah |
| 01:08.47 | Kerr | brianski: don't know which though. |
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| 01:09.00 | stumbles | hi, what's the best way to combine ctags with find ? i understand there can be problems with the maximum command line length |
| 01:09.08 | caphuso | deadcat: it's fixed in debian |
| 01:09.17 | brianski | kerr - grab a .deb and start force installing |
| 01:09.20 | secher_ | !seen greycat |
| 01:09.21 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 1d 10h 35m 28s ago, saying: 'hi :)'. |
| 01:09.26 | brianski | if that fails, backup and start reinstalling |
| 01:09.38 | deadcat | caphuso: ok.. but what about this x.sh thing? is the guy saying that the user has to have sudo access inorder to get root? |
| 01:09.59 | deadcat | caphuso: ## You need sudo access execution for some bash script ## |
| 01:10.03 | caphuso | deadcat: yes |
| 01:10.08 | bleaked | Kerr: i would just re-do the install..setup your partitions properly, and go from there..but that's me. |
| 01:10.20 | Kerr | bleaked: install with what? |
| 01:10.27 | deadcat | caphuso: that sounds stupid. if i have sudo on a machine, that usually means you are trusted anyway... |
| 01:10.31 | Kerr | bleaked: i can't burn a damn cd because the os is corrupt. |
| 01:10.35 | caphuso | deadcat: no, it means you are not trusted |
| 01:10.36 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 01:10.45 | caphuso | if you'd be trusted, you'd have the root password |
| 01:11.02 | deadcat | caphuso: no. if you're not trusted. you dont get sudo at all |
| 01:11.06 | brianski | deadcat - if you don't know what that means, then you're not smart enough to hack. you don't need to understand to fix. just upgrade :) |
| 01:11.15 | caphuso | deadcat: wrong |
| 01:11.26 | bucky | apt-get remove sudo |
| 01:11.27 | brianski | it's for if you have been granted the ability to run a shell script as root in /etc/sudoers |
| 01:11.34 | brianski | but not arbitrary commands |
| 01:11.41 | Guerin | deadcat: sudo is granular trust |
| 01:11.54 | brianski | Guerin - sudo is bad granular trust :) |
| 01:11.57 | caphuso | deadcat: the whole point of sudo is that you can allow untrusted people to run stuff as root |
| 01:11.58 | Guerin | secher_: if you can't do something with sudo, then by definitiion you're not trusted to do it. |
| 01:12.06 | Guerin | brianski: nothing wrong with sudo. |
| 01:12.16 | Guerin | secher_: sorry |
| 01:12.17 | secher_ | Guerin: How did I get dragged into this? |
| 01:12.19 | Guerin | deadcat: ^ |
| 01:12.24 | Kerr | i like sudo |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | secher_: s is next to d |
| 01:12.30 | brianski | Guerin sudo echo >/root/permission_denied |
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| 01:12.35 | deadcat | Guerin: i know nothing wrong with sudo. i just saying that guy is a moron |
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| 01:12.37 | bucky | RMS doesn't like wheel ...does he approve of sudo? |
| 01:12.38 | caphuso | brianski: that doesn't work |
| 01:12.41 | Guerin | brianski: doesn't work. |
| 01:12.51 | secher_ | Guerin: 'S all good.. figured that anyway, just a chance to make a smartass comment. |
| 01:12.52 | brianski | i know |
| 01:12.58 | Guerin | brianski: you lose. |
| 01:13.03 | brianski | Guerin - you said nothing was wrong with sudo |
| 01:13.04 | deadcat | bucky: RMS is a fucking windows user |
| 01:13.10 | dvs | ha |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | brianski: nothing is. |
| 01:13.25 | deadcat | hes a flip-flopper |
| 01:13.31 | brianski | well argued, friend. |
| 01:13.33 | bucky | deadcat: what's up with all the questions about sudo.. did you defect to ubuntu? |
| 01:13.37 | Guerin | deadcat: step away from the crack pipe |
| 01:13.39 | Kerr | lol |
| 01:13.49 | SimonRaven | sudo sh -c "echo > /root/permission" |
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| 01:13.53 | Kerr | i installed sudo after using a friend's ubuntu :) |
| 01:13.57 | secher_ | WHOA!! Don't FSCK with a Net God. RMS is not to be put down. |
| 01:14.00 | Bogaurd | anyone had any idea why my drives wouldnt be spinning down even though i've set a spindown time using hdparm? |
| 01:14.04 | SimonRaven | TMTOWTDI |
| 01:14.06 | deadcat | bucky: no. i was just reading that page and i find it stupid to get root when one already has sudo |
| 01:14.17 | Tortel | !paste |
| 01:14.17 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:14.18 | brianski | my point was, sudo is a hack :) now i leave the flaming for others |
| 01:14.21 | Tortel | (sorry bout that) |
| 01:14.21 | Kerr | sudo sh = root ? |
| 01:14.21 | mtnman | bogaurd: if your disk buffers flush |
| 01:14.23 | caphuso | Bogaurd: because something is accessing them |
| 01:14.28 | Guerin | Kerr: yes. |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | Tortel: you know how to msg the bot |
| 01:14.36 | deadcat | Kerr: id |
| 01:14.36 | Kerr | so having sudo = root? |
| 01:14.44 | deadcat | Kerr: no |
| 01:14.48 | Guerin | Kerr: only if you are allowed to run a shell under it |
| 01:14.48 | caphuso | Kerr: that depends on your sudoers configuration |
| 01:14.52 | mtnman | kerr: depends on how sudo is config'd |
| 01:14.58 | Bogaurd | caphuso: nothing is acessing them, if i spin them down with -y, they spin down, and stay down untill i use them next |
| 01:14.59 | Guerin | Kerr: in which case you functionally ARE root |
| 01:15.11 | xoz | ALL:ALL is *almighty* |
| 01:15.26 | caphuso | Guerin: except that you're sudo, so it's inherently safe </ubuntutroll> |
| 01:15.35 | caphuso | s/sudo/using \&/ |
| 01:15.36 | Guerin | caphuso: heh |
| 01:15.56 | thc | is there an irssi setting to prevent highlighting when *foo* is used |
| 01:16.01 | SimonRaven | i'd @lart you but there's a </*troll> sticker ;p |
| 01:16.09 | deadcat | caphuso: the dude's example was: breno ALL=(ALL) /home/breno/x.sh , so i figure if root allows this moron to run x.sh in his home dir, then just give him root |
| 01:16.09 | Kerr | hmm? |
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| 01:16.27 | snull | thc: /set emphasis off |
| 01:16.33 | thc | cheers. |
| 01:16.44 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 01:16.49 | deadcat | thc: /set ignore all |
| 01:16.54 | thc | haha |
| 01:16.58 | Kerr | lol |
| 01:17.02 | Guerin | deadcat: since he can edit, delete or replace x.sh, he functionally is root. |
| 01:17.10 | caphuso | deadcat: read "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1234567 Nov 11 2345 /usr/local/bin/x.sh" instead |
| 01:17.19 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. there for i say the moron is a moron |
| 01:17.22 | Bogaurd | caphuso: any other possible reasons? i've just spun them down with -y, they're staying down. trouble is they just wont go down automatically when i use -S (hdparm) |
| 01:17.31 | Kerr | if you can edit /etc/sudoers you are root, no? |
| 01:17.38 | deadcat | caphuso: oh.. i see |
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| 01:17.40 | Guerin | Kerr: by definition. |
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| 01:17.59 | magyar | i am having a tough time with pppoe, i have this line in my inittab >>"9:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/pppd nodetach call dsl-provider >>/var/log/dsl 2>&1". Do i need to have any entries in my /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 01:18.27 | secher_ | magyar: have you tried pppoeconf? |
| 01:18.35 | caphuso | deadcat: the problem is that bash and csh evaluate '$(foo)' when it is put literaly in $PS4 or $SHELLOPTS, so sudo needs to remove that from the environment |
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| 01:19.37 | magyar | secher_, yeap, there is some problem with that, occasionally it just doesnt want to reconnect untill i manually poff it and than pon |
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| 01:20.09 | abrotman | hey .. did you guys know that .. RPMs *SUCK* |
| 01:20.10 | deadcat | caphuso: i think the guy should just have kept this to himself... |
| 01:20.18 | TwistedEmotions2 | Requested action aborted: error in processing |
| 01:20.19 | TwistedEmotions2 | Server replied: 451 Error: queue file write error |
| 01:20.21 | secher_ | magyar: I only used pppoe for a couple of months, so my knowledge is limited, but pppoeconf should have put an entry in you /etc/interfaces. |
| 01:20.22 | thc | abrotman: yes |
| 01:20.24 | TwistedEmotions2 | Anyone help? |
| 01:20.27 | deadcat | abrotman: i know it can extract. didnt know it can suck |
| 01:20.32 | caphuso | deadcat: and leave open a security hole big enough to drive a train through? |
| 01:20.33 | TwistedEmotions2 | Anyone know how to fix that ... my companies email server keeps giving me that error when I try to email |
| 01:20.36 | abrotman | deadcat: good .. tell me how |
| 01:20.50 | deadcat | abrotman: dpkg -x right? |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | deadcat: on debian .. everything results in "Dude .. you're using Debian .. stop fucking with RPMs" |
| 01:20.54 | xoz | *suck* is an understatement |
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| 01:21.22 | abrotman | deadcat: wtf does dpkg have to do with it |
| 01:21.31 | magyar | secher_, it does, but when used with inittab it keeps on trying to bring up another interface "ppp1" which messes up the whole connection |
| 01:21.38 | mtnman | twistedemotions: haven't seen that msg. i suggest you plug it into a search engine. |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | wait . .where's thingfish ? |
| 01:21.45 | Kerr | rpms vote bush. |
| 01:21.55 | Kerr | they also support intelligent design. |
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| 01:22.25 | Phated | And change pi to 3. |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | thingfish was an RPM junkie :) |
| 01:22.46 | thc | pi to 3 ?? |
| 01:22.48 | ReignWolve | i was wondering if anyone had experience in changing the kde log in screen |
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| 01:23.52 | thc | ReignWolve: you need to elaborate on that, big time |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | god .. i mean .. they really really suck |
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| 01:24.39 | ReignWolve | well i was surfing kde-look.org and noticed that you could change the log in screen for kde to a different theme |
| 01:24.59 | secher_ | Is there a way to get gnome without all of the extra dreck that comes with it? I really don't need sound-juicer et. al. |
| 01:25.07 | ReignWolve | so i downloaded the bugger they had instructions but i couldn't figure them out because the path they gave was wrong |
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| 01:25.18 | abrotman | secher_: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 01:25.26 | thc | ReignWolve: so you want to theme kdm, ask in #debian-kde maybe |
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| 01:25.39 | ReignWolve | o sorry i didn't know the channel was there |
| 01:25.44 | dsl1308 | hey all |
| 01:25.44 | ReignWolve | thanks for the redirect |
| 01:25.48 | thc | no problem |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | woohoo .. what a pain |
| 01:26.07 | thc | abrotman: what are you trying to do from an rpm anyway |
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| 01:26.51 | dsl1308 | i was wondering what the path to a wireless pcmcia card would be for ndiswrapper? |
| 01:26.54 | secher_ | dare I ask.. what sucks about RPMs? |
| 01:27.00 | TwistedEmotions2 | How do I get sendmail to dump/delete all the mails that are in que waiting to be sent? |
| 01:27.06 | Guerin | secher_: gnome-core is only 159MB+gtk2 |
| 01:27.23 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions2: why the hell are you using sendmail if you havce to ask that question? |
| 01:27.36 | findme | dsl1308, you have the wrapper installed! If so which ndiswrapper |
| 01:27.47 | TwistedEmotions2 | Guerin: Hmm... I dont quite get where you're going with this? |
| 01:27.58 | Guerin | !jatfq TwistedEmotions2 |
| 01:27.59 | dpkg | TwistedEmotions2: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 01:28.02 | TwistedEmotions2 | Guerin: It's my company server.. and I cant get it to work |
| 01:28.06 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:28.10 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 01:28.34 | dsl1308 | well, im not actuall using a "Debian" distro per se.. but a debian based linux |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | thc: fun with oracle :) |
| 01:28.37 | TwistedEmotions2 | Guerin: Im fuckered unless I can get this thing back up |
| 01:28.40 | magyar | do i need "auto" in front of "dsl-provider" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:28.47 | findme | dsl1308, ubunti? |
| 01:28.55 | dsl1308 | no, DSL |
| 01:28.58 | TwistedEmotions2 | Guerin: well not really fuckered.. they just have to pay some guy like 200$ to fix it |
| 01:29.09 | secher_ | magyar: iirc, yes. |
| 01:29.31 | magyar | roger |
| 01:30.03 | secher_ | magyar: lemme check to see if I have a backup of my /etc/interfaces.. one sec.. |
| 01:30.09 | Bogaurd | my drives wont spindown! argh! what's going on?! |
| 01:30.13 | thc | dsl1308: this channel doesn't support "based on Debian", try #damnsmalllinux |
| 01:30.14 | magyar | k |
| 01:30.16 | magyar | thx |
| 01:30.27 | TwistedEmotions2 | Guerin: sendmail -q is what I think the dump command should be but its not working... when I run mailq there are 1500 different emails lagging.. |
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| 01:31.08 | dsl1308 | yeah, i know.. but there all sleeping or someting |
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| 01:31.28 | mtnman | dsl1308: that doesn't change a thing about this channel. |
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| 01:31.39 | secher_ | magyar: nope, sorry, I blew it away. it won't hurt to put it in and test. |
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| 01:32.14 | dsl1308 | yes im aware of that. i was just hoping that you fellers may have a tidbit of info about the path to the device.. |
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| 01:32.43 | mtnman | dsl1308: you are in the wrong channel to discuss dsl. end. |
| 01:32.47 | dsl1308 | i do apologize |
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| 01:33.12 | secher_ | Oh, balls. will someone please give this fellow a hand? Even if you move to some temp channel, wtf. |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | mtnman: can you help me with TurboLinux ? |
| 01:33.23 | mtnman | dsl1308: if you care to install debian, i'm sure you would get lots of help here. |
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| 01:33.31 | mtnman | abrotman: sure, wait one second... |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | !tell dsl1308 about d-i |
| 01:33.42 | findme | i didn't know there was something like DSL :-) |
| 01:33.56 | billguedes | hi |
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| 01:34.04 | abrotman | secher_: you can try to help him in #damnsmalllinux |
| 01:34.05 | yonkeltron | is there a difference between having stable and sarge in your sources.list ? |
| 01:34.07 | doleyb | findme: i just put DSL on a neighbor's PII, for web+email |
| 01:34.20 | findme | doleyb, is it any good ? |
| 01:34.24 | mtnman | yonkeltro: not until etch is released. |
| 01:34.24 | thc | yonkeltron: right now, no |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | yonkeltron: currently no .. when etch gets released as stable .. yes |
| 01:34.32 | yonkeltron | ah |
| 01:34.32 | dvs | yonkeltron: eventually |
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| 01:34.41 | yonkeltron | so is it worth changing? |
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| 01:34.49 | abrotman | that's up to you |
| 01:34.49 | dvs | yonkeltron: depends on you. |
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| 01:34.59 | _rene_ | it's always better to use the codename |
| 01:35.01 | findme | who needs anyother linux when debian is around |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i go by release-name ... sarge,etch etc |
| 01:35.06 | billguedes | How prepare another hd to linux? |
| 01:35.09 | thc | yonkeltron: i always switch to codenames after a fresh install. |
| 01:35.13 | _rene_ | then you can decide when you want to upgrade |
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| 01:35.21 | _rene_ | probably after reading the release-notes etc |
| 01:35.27 | mtnman | billguedes: define prepare |
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| 01:35.52 | sfullenwider | You know, there is a whole lot of side knowledge necessary for getting anything specific running |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | sfullenwider: like what ? |
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| 01:37.30 | sfullenwider | Like, for example, getting a torrent client |
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| 01:37.52 | sfullenwider | if the only one available in the dist is broken as bittornado is for me, then you have to go around the moon to get another one |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | sfullenwider: apt-get install bittornado ? |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | sfullenwider: it's broken ? |
| 01:38.14 | sfullenwider | Yes |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | worked fine for me the other day |
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| 01:39.00 | abrotman | sfullenwider: define .. doesn't work |
| 01:39.00 | billguedes | mtnman, format in ext3 |
| 01:39.30 | mtnman | billguedes: first you need to partition with fdisk or cfdisk or similar... |
| 01:39.51 | mtnman | billguedes: then you'll need to mkfs.ext3 |
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| 01:40.22 | sfullenwider | Dies...let me run it again to get specific error |
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| 01:41.09 | secher__ | sfullenwider: have you tried aMule? |
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| 01:41.23 | Guerin | secher__: wth? |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | sfullenwider: there are others in sarge |
| 01:41.33 | secher__ | Guerin: what? |
| 01:41.46 | Guerin | secher__: amule is no substitute for a bittornado |
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| 01:42.21 | abrotman | sfullenwider: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=torrent&searchon=all&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 01:42.23 | secher__ | Guerin: but.. err.. well, yes. nm. |
| 01:42.28 | Bogaurd | hmmm. i think i've found the solution. when i use hdparm and set the psindown time to 5 secs, it seems to set it about 10 minutes |
| 01:42.44 | billguedes | mtnman, partition with fdisk and format with mkfs.ext3, all right? |
| 01:42.50 | mtnman | yes |
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| 01:42.58 | Kerr | Bogaurd: it must be measuring in microsoft seconds. |
| 01:43.03 | mtnman | billguedes: however, i prefer cfdisk |
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| 01:43.42 | sfullenwider | aMule doesn't have any servers, when i tried to add one it just...well...didn't die, just kept running without updating the screen. |
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| 01:43.47 | abrotman | sfullenwider: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=torrent&searchon=all&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 01:44.13 | Bogaurd | Kerr: it's bloody weird, whatever it is :P |
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| 01:44.36 | TwistedEmotions2 | is there a ls -s<option> to where it will give you directory sizes? |
| 01:44.41 | secher__ | Hrm. am I doing a Bad Thing (tm) in installing Gnome? will it all come out when I want to remove it, without taking out half of my install? |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | du -sk ? |
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| 01:45.08 | abrotman | secher__: huh ? |
| 01:45.12 | Guerin | secher__: if you /msg dpkg remove gnome, it will |
| 01:45.28 | chill|LOMOR | Hi, I have "Lokis Heavy Metal fakk2" and it is compiled with glibc-2.1 - but this is not in sarge. Is it possible to use it with sarge? What to do? |
| 01:45.32 | billguedes | mtnman, thank you |
| 01:45.44 | mtnman | billguedes: welcome |
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| 01:45.49 | secher__ | Guerin: Many Thanks. That's now in my Really.Useful.Tidbits file. |
| 01:45.51 | fgibbs | appreciate it! |
| 01:46.03 | Guerin | chill|LOMOR: you might need a slink chroot for that. |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | sfullenwider: DOH! |
| 01:46.30 | honschu | slink isn't that the old debian? |
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| 01:46.37 | mtnman | !slink |
| 01:46.38 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 01:46.40 | Guerin | honschu: really old, yeah |
| 01:46.52 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 01:46.57 | honschu | mhm |
| 01:47.00 | Guerin | maybe potato had libc 2.1 |
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| 01:47.20 | honschu | I played fakk2 with I think potato |
| 01:47.35 | honschu | Is it possible to just compile the libc2.1 ? |
| 01:47.40 | sfullenwider | SEE! this is what I was bitching about last night! you go and change stuff! 4 years ago apt came with contrib lines! |
| 01:47.58 | abrotman | sfullenwider: no it didn't .. |
| 01:48.02 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: thats perfect but is there any way to organize according to directory size? |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: man sort ? |
| 01:48.27 | Guerin | honschu: anything's possible |
| 01:48.30 | sfullenwider | I remember mirror <stable> main contrib non-free non-us |
| 01:48.49 | Guerin | secher__: non-us is no more |
| 01:49.24 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: man sort |
| 01:49.30 | Guerin | meh, lag |
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| 01:49.35 | TwistedEmotions | :) Thank |
| 01:49.36 | TwistedEmotions | s |
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| 01:50.23 | sfullenwider | Let me go right ahead and ask: what are the new typical deb lines now? |
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| 01:50.58 | abrotman | sfullenwider: apt-setup .. should ask you if you want contrib and non-free |
| 01:50.59 | Guerin | secher__: apt-setup |
| 01:51.05 | azeem | sfullenwider: basically the same, but non-us doesn't exist anymore |
| 01:51.08 | Guerin | meh |
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| 01:52.17 | sfullenwider | guerin: i'm not secher__ |
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| 01:52.45 | Anon0652 | ;) |
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| 01:53.38 | abrotman | sfullenwider: notice the 'meh' |
| 01:53.57 | cddesjar | what does it mean the etch's debian installer is beta? does that mean etch is going to be released in the next few months? |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:54.28 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 01:54.28 | thc | s/few months/year/g |
| 01:54.48 | cddesjar | well i know about wwer |
| 01:54.48 | karsten | abrotman: <accent style="bronx">Who's axkin'?</accent> |
| 01:54.58 | cddesjar | but i didn't know if this ment something was happening? |
| 01:55.02 | karsten | abrotman: 13:12 < abrotman> karsten: where's linuxmafia?!!? |
| 01:55.02 | doleyb | cddesjar: the installer by itself is beta, which has no effect on the readiness of all the packages |
| 01:55.09 | karsten | abrotman: ... which was a while ago. |
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| 01:55.48 | abrotman | karsten: it wasn't coming up while i was at work |
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| 01:55.51 | cddesjar | ok |
| 01:56.10 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. It seems to have been working for me. |
| 01:56.17 | karsten | abrotman: ... as I haven't been disconnected |
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| 01:56.44 | netbrain | what is the most popular program for playing movies and dvds?? mplayer? |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | karsten: no! |
| 01:57.14 | mtnman | netbrain: well, mplayer plays many file formats |
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| 01:57.40 | netbrain | apt-get install mplayer? |
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| 01:57.49 | thc | netbrain: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 01:57.58 | thc | mplayer is not an official package |
| 01:58.02 | mtnman | netbrain: i would suggest installing from the tarball |
| 01:58.28 | mtnman | thc: yes it is. |
| 01:58.30 | Kasatka | Ok, I finally got gnome installed. Now how do i select it as my interface? (i'm currently using text mode) |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | Kasatka: install gdm ? |
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| 01:59.08 | thc | mtnman: it is? that's funny, i can never install mplayer until i add marillat's repository |
| 01:59.09 | Kasatka | abrotman: uhh, not sure. Kinda new to linux |
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| 01:59.23 | doleyb | Kasatka: install gdm! |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | Kasatka: then do it :) |
| 01:59.35 | netbrain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.45 | doleyb | Kasatka: but actually, before that, test startx and see if it works |
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| 01:59.58 | Kasatka | doleyb: How do i go about doing that? |
| 02:00.11 | doleyb | Kasatka: you type "startx" on your text erminal |
| 02:00.13 | mtnman | thc: maybe you're right... apt-cache search seems to be showing it since i installed from tarball. |
| 02:00.14 | cddesjar | hmm |
| 02:00.17 | cddesjar | interesting read that link |
| 02:00.22 | Kasatka | Be right back |
| 02:00.25 | thc | !info mplayer sarge |
| 02:00.37 | thc | does not exist |
| 02:01.04 | karsten | abrotman: I'm remote on it ATM. |
| 02:01.18 | abrotman | karsten: you have an ATM swtich at home ? |
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| 02:03.02 | Kasatka | doleyb: Ok, i typed startx and it said 'command not found' What should i do? |
| 02:03.19 | abrotman | Kasatka: how did you install gnome ? |
| 02:03.20 | thc | install X. |
| 02:03.22 | cddesjar | dpkg is my favourite bot |
| 02:03.35 | thc | !gender |
| 02:03.35 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 02:03.41 | Kasatka | abrotman: i used 'apt-get install gnome' |
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| 02:03.46 | thc | you like a hermaphrodite! ew! |
| 02:03.59 | cddesjar | it took me all day to install openoffice.org2 on sarge |
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| 02:04.10 | ireverentreveren | if I have a raw latex document, what program would I need to use to open it and view it as it would be printed? |
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| 02:04.24 | caphuso | ireverentreveren: latex + xdvi |
| 02:04.46 | ireverentreveren | xdvi was what i was trying to think of, thanks |
| 02:04.53 | mtnman | !find startx |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | Kasatka: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:04.54 | caphuso | or you use pdflatex and a pdf viewer |
| 02:04.56 | cddesjar | dpkg is way cooler than ubotu |
| 02:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (4): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/startx) in misc/ltsp-client ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
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| 02:05.30 | mtnman | itreverentreveren: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 02:05.35 | Kerr | erf.. oh crap |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | mtnman: wrong person ? |
| 02:06.08 | mtnman | abrotman: guess so... |
| 02:06.44 | cddesjar | abrotman: what do you do for a living? it seems that you're always here...are you paid by debian under the table |
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| 02:06.51 | thc | haha |
| 02:06.52 | nvz | heh |
| 02:06.52 | Kasatka | Be back later |
| 02:06.58 | thc | he gets paid in cheesesteaks |
| 02:07.03 | nvz | :) |
| 02:07.09 | nvz | I want a cheesesteak |
| 02:07.11 | ireverentreveren | mtnman caphuso thanks |
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| 02:07.23 | thc | chicken+cheese > cheesesteak ! |
| 02:07.28 | cddesjar | chicken? |
| 02:07.32 | thc | with hot sauce of course |
| 02:07.32 | Bogaurd | does anyone have any idea what the network interface 'sit0' is? |
| 02:07.37 | cddesjar | you mean beef+cheese cheesesteak? |
| 02:07.37 | nvz | I cant eat chicken with cheese |
| 02:07.47 | cddesjar | oh is greater than |
| 02:07.55 | thc | nvz: if it's cooked right, and sliced thin like steak, you won't even know the difference |
| 02:08.05 | cddesjar | does anyone know what lo means? |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | cddesjar: i'm paid to sit here and answer your stupid questions :) |
| 02:08.21 | mtnman | cddesjar: in what context? |
| 02:08.23 | cddesjar | abrotman: i'm glad someone is! |
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| 02:08.31 | cddesjar | mtnman: when i type ifconfig |
| 02:08.35 | mtnman | loopback |
| 02:08.41 | cddesjar | loopback |
| 02:08.46 | cddesjar | i just asked dpg |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | cddesjar: i'm an admin .. for a small company |
| 02:09.06 | nvz | I will because I dont really like cheese and I sure as hell dont like it with chicken |
| 02:09.09 | mtnman | cddesjar: get into the habit of asking the bot first |
| 02:09.11 | cddesjar | abrotman: that's cool...it beats what i do |
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| 02:09.25 | cddesjar | mtnman: i prefer RTFM |
| 02:09.38 | cddesjar | please type 'man' or 'google' when i ask a stupid question |
| 02:09.40 | mtnman | cddesjar: well, you didn't do that either. |
| 02:09.46 | cddesjar | i know |
| 02:09.49 | cddesjar | ;( |
| 02:10.05 | cddesjar | there is no man entry for lo |
| 02:10.11 | mtnman | cddesjar: so knowing that you violated channel guidelines excuses you? |
| 02:10.22 | Kerr | err, some libs corrupted, so i did apt-rpdepends kaffeine then tried to reinstall the reinstallable dependances and.. eh, i think i be a little fucked. #flood anyone? |
| 02:10.27 | mtnman | !lo |
| 02:10.27 | dpkg | from memory, loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 02:10.30 | cddesjar | mntman: huh? when did i do that |
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| 02:10.43 | cddesjar | mtnman: i already /msg dpkg lo |
| 02:10.56 | mtnman | cddesjar: _after_ you asked in the channel |
| 02:11.04 | azeem | chill |
| 02:11.22 | cddesjar | no i asked about lo before i asked dpkg |
| 02:11.42 | azeem | cddesjar: well, ask dpkg first next time |
| 02:11.42 | mtnman | cddesjar: yes, and you should have asked the bot first, as i told you earlier... |
| 02:11.55 | cddesjar | wow |
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| 02:12.28 | azeem | cddesjar: it's no big deal, it just avoids confusion |
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| 02:12.50 | mtnman | azeem: and wasted bandwidth for one and all |
| 02:13.08 | cddesjar | as are your rambles about this mtnman |
| 02:13.18 | nekostar | eh |
| 02:13.35 | mtnman | cddesjar: i did not mean to insult you, as you seem to have inteneded towards me. |
| 02:13.44 | Kerr | geh |
| 02:13.46 | mtnman | intended, even... |
| 02:14.06 | cddesjar | i don't care |
| 02:14.10 | cddesjar | no biggie |
| 02:14.18 | Kerr | nothing works, nothing is in /usr/bin , aparently dir isn't in /bin so i can't dir /usr/bin |
| 02:14.21 | Kerr | O.o |
| 02:14.30 | crash3m_ | does debian apply any patches to the kernel.org kernel that they include? |
| 02:14.33 | azeem | Kerr: tried cd instead of dir? |
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| 02:14.35 | mtnman | cddesjar: i was simply trying to help you learn to get the most out of this channel. if you don't care, you will learn that people won't want to help you if you don't play by the rules. |
| 02:14.38 | azeem | eh, ls |
| 02:14.53 | azeem | crash3m_: yes |
| 02:15.03 | mtnman | cddesjar: i am ready to drop it if you are. |
| 02:15.05 | azeem | crash3m_: every distribution does that, to some extent |
| 02:15.22 | crash3m_ | good to know azeem, thanks |
| 02:15.29 | cddesjar | crash3m: you can still get a vanilla kernel from kernel.org |
| 02:15.29 | Kerr | azeem: my install be heavily broken |
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| 02:15.46 | secher__ | Umm.. this is a really silly question, apt and man don't know how to answer me, so I'll ask here.. I just installed the gnome desktop, and how do I start it? |
| 02:15.54 | cddesjar | secher: startx |
| 02:16.11 | azeem | Kerr: hrm, sorry, but I'm going to bed now |
| 02:16.17 | azeem | Kerr: I hope you can fix it :-/ |
| 02:16.20 | secher__ | cddesjar: Dude, you're kidding me.. I'm already in X. |
| 02:16.29 | crash3m_ | whats the difference between linux-source and linux-tree? |
| 02:16.34 | azeem | secher__: restart X |
| 02:16.34 | nekostar | question about compiling the kernel thing though: dpkg said:: methinks compile kernel is make menuconfig, make dep, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install, or make oldconfig dep clean install modules modules_install, or make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --version=local.1 kernel_image modules_image so does that mean i can just do " make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --version=local.1 kernel_image modules_image " ? |
| 02:16.42 | thc | secher__: you're in kde? |
| 02:16.42 | azeem | secher__: do you run gdm? |
| 02:17.02 | cddesjar | Kerr: when do you install? |
| 02:17.04 | secher__ | azeem: this is a trial run.. to see if I like Gnome. |
| 02:17.08 | nekostar | and do i need to name the module names? and if so do i need to get a new source for my nvidia driver for instance? |
| 02:17.09 | cddesjar | just recently? |
| 02:17.21 | azeem | secher__: yeah, ok; but how did you start X? |
| 02:17.21 | secher__ | azeem: Yes in short |
| 02:17.23 | cddesjar | secher: click change session |
| 02:17.27 | cddesjar | ? |
| 02:17.28 | secher__ | startx |
| 02:17.57 | secher__ | Kk.. so you're telling me I can't start Gnome without quitting X and restarting? |
| 02:17.59 | azeem | secher__: you'd have to change your ~/.xsession then I guess. I'd suggest installing a display manager like gdm or kdm |
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| 02:18.18 | azeem | secher__: well, you could perhaps, but GNOME is a desktop environment, not some random program |
| 02:18.23 | Kerr | cddesjar: ? |
| 02:18.36 | azeem | it is supposed to be started along with an X session, not on top of it |
| 02:18.39 | cddesjar | Kerr: did you just install or did this recently break? |
| 02:18.45 | Kerr | recently |
| 02:18.59 | Kerr | my box crashed, rebooted and ran fsck, it fixed stuff to the tune of 4.7% non-contingent files on a 74gb partition.. a lot of stuff wouldn't run (most) so i tried to apt-get install --reinstall some core libs.. now nothing works, nothing is in /usr/bin , aparently dir isn't in /bin so i can't dir /usr/bin. |
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| 02:19.29 | cddesjar | Kerr: that sounds like that problem is beyond me |
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| 02:19.54 | mtnman | kerr: you have gotten many suggestions as to how to deal with your situation. |
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| 02:20.25 | iostream | Does debian sarge come with MD support? |
| 02:20.33 | LootBeer | can someone help me install my master boot loader on my hda.. seems the hda now cannot boot at all.. i screwed up my lilo, contents of hdd is there though |
| 02:20.41 | Kerr | mtnman: been tryinf to follow them; i was following one of dondelelcaro's earlier suggestions. |
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| 02:21.09 | Optical-dlz | does anybody still use gcc-base-4.0.2-3, I want downgrade from 4.0.2-4 to 4.0.2-3, but I can't find 4.0.2-3 in mirror. |
| 02:21.26 | azeem | Optical-dlz: snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:21.34 | secher | Ok, I quit X, logged out, relogged, restarted X.. and naught. How in bloody hell do I start Gnome? |
| 02:21.35 | blaze | HeyH |
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| 02:21.48 | mtnman | !find gnome |
| 02:21.51 | azeem | secher: I told you, you'd need to edit your ~/.xsession |
| 02:21.51 | blaze | Hey all, |
| 02:22.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnome' (8 of 59): (/usr/bin/gnome-help) in gnome/yelp ;; (/usr/bin/gnome-gv) in gnome/gnome-gv ;; (/usr/bin/gnome-ppp) in net/gnome-ppp ;; (/usr/bin/egnomebuild) in devel/egnome ;; (/usr/bin/gnome-gpg) in gnome/gnome-gpg ;; (/usr/bin/dia-gnome) in gnome/dia-gnome ;; (/usr/bin/gnome-apt) in gnome/gnome-apt ;; (/usr/bin/gnome-art) in gnome/gnome-art. |
| 02:22.06 | blaze | I have 9 different apache 2 processes running, |
| 02:22.09 | azeem | secher: did you read /usr/share/doc/gnome-session/README.Debian ? |
| 02:22.11 | Optical-dlz | azeem: thx ,but I can't connect to that mirror |
| 02:22.16 | blaze | is it safe for me to kill 8? |
| 02:22.27 | mtnman | azeem: he could also update-alternatives and set gnome as the default x-session-manager |
| 02:22.28 | blaze | I only started it once? |
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| 02:23.17 | azeem | blaze: it starts several processes to handle connections concurrently I think |
| 02:23.22 | mtnman | blaze: apache starts several processes simultaneously. the number is configurable. |
| 02:23.25 | azeem | blaze: rather edit your configuration if you want less |
| 02:23.31 | Kerr | mtnman: do you have any feasable sugessions aside clean install? :-/ |
| 02:23.48 | mtnman | kerr: everyone is telling you to reinstall. |
| 02:23.53 | blaze | ahh alright, thanks azeem & mtnman . |
| 02:24.01 | mtnman | welcome |
| 02:24.18 | secher | azeem: for future reference, running gnome-session from a term starts gnome. |
| 02:24.41 | mtnman | secher: tell that to blaze... |
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| 02:24.56 | azeem | mtnman: eh? blaze asked about apache2 |
| 02:25.20 | blaze | ? |
| 02:25.23 | Kerr | mtnman: yeah, It's starting to fel like microsoft tech support. |
| 02:25.27 | azeem | blaze: nevermind |
| 02:25.33 | blaze | lol im confused now. |
| 02:25.42 | mtnman | kerr: no it is not. |
| 02:25.59 | secher | I was asking about gnome, azeem was trying to help me. |
| 02:26.06 | mtnman | ok |
| 02:26.16 | nekostar | wat's this about gnome? |
| 02:26.19 | nekostar | <3 gnome |
| 02:26.34 | nekostar | and kerr its feel |
| 02:26.34 | nekostar | "D |
| 02:26.34 | nekostar | *:D |
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| 02:26.39 | mtnman | the problem with answering lots of questions is remembering which answer goes to whom... |
| 02:26.48 | Kerr | nekostar: it's 2:30am and i have a laggy shell. |
| 02:26.49 | nekostar | lol mtnman |
| 02:26.50 | secher | nekostar: I'm trying gnome to see if I like it. |
| 02:27.24 | nekostar | secher, it works for me quite well... what were you using before? |
| 02:27.25 | blaze | get a faster shell? |
| 02:27.45 | dsl_ | is there anyone who could tell me how to reinstall grub when i have /boot/grub intact? :P |
| 02:27.48 | secher | nekostar: Enlightenment and terms. |
| 02:27.51 | nekostar | heh i seem to have a few and cant really tell the different lol |
| 02:27.54 | nekostar | terms secher ? |
| 02:28.02 | secher | nekostar: terminals. |
| 02:28.12 | nekostar | enlightenment is ok... though im a newb at prettifying it XD |
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| 02:28.20 | secher | nekostar: I like a really spartan desktop. |
| 02:28.21 | iostream | Does the debian sarge installer have md/software raid support? |
| 02:28.23 | Kerr | mtnman: a clean install really isn't an option for me.. i've no room for it, no way to burn an install cd, no bandwidth to download one either. (capped to worse than dailup when i try) |
| 02:28.24 | nekostar | o: |
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| 02:28.34 | nekostar | did you try blackbox/fluxbox/openbox yet then? |
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| 02:28.58 | bucky | iostream: yes |
| 02:29.01 | secher | Tried openbox, not slick enough. |
| 02:29.02 | mtnman | kerr: you said you have a spare 4gb drive. |
| 02:29.04 | nekostar | and enlightenment.... but ive not done much to it |
| 02:29.15 | iostream | bucky: Cool :) |
| 02:29.30 | Abaddon666 | I am thinking of using MSH. What do you think guys? Is it worth of? |
| 02:29.31 | secher | nekostar: Then wait for E17, should be incredible. |
| 02:29.50 | bucky | nekostar: fluxbox is better |
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| 02:30.11 | nekostar | enlightenment/fluxbox/openbox/blackbox can switch off b/t themselves without logging out which is rather pimp XD |
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| 02:30.39 | mtnman | nekostar: you can do that with any window manager |
| 02:30.43 | nekostar | bucky, im trying to find one that i can use quite effectively and ill end up going with that on next install |
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| 02:31.02 | Kerr | mtnman: it's an incredibly old and slow drive, and contains backups of files i'd rather not lose. |
| 02:31.18 | mtnman | kerr: whatever. |
| 02:31.19 | nekostar | mtnman, ive had problems switching out from metacity when i started in flux for instance but yeah i understand its supposed to work :P |
| 02:31.25 | bucky | nekostar: i like xfce4 but it's a matter of taste |
| 02:31.38 | nekostar | yeah xfce is quite nice :) |
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| 02:31.44 | bucky | their file browser isn't soup yet |
| 02:31.46 | nekostar | im looking for a nicer panel though |
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| 02:31.48 | mtnman | nekostar: i only use fvwm |
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| 02:31.56 | nekostar | fvwm eh |
| 02:32.03 | daddius | on testing iso image would it have the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 02:32.14 | Phated | expert26? |
| 02:32.16 | bucky | nekostar: you can modify xfce4's panel |
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| 02:32.22 | nekostar | what i want to end up with should be light, and support multiple desktops let me make my own menu and add on top of debians menu |
| 02:32.24 | Phated | Unless they took it out of etch d-i. |
| 02:32.33 | nekostar | though the panel for xfce needs mods for me |
| 02:32.46 | bucky | it's pretty easy |
| 02:32.46 | nekostar | 1. needs that panel on top to go away |
| 02:32.57 | daddius | on boot with testing I tried to get linux26 but wasn't able to |
| 02:33.02 | nekostar | 2. needs that toolbar underneath to look a tiny bit nicer etc |
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| 02:33.16 | litage | does the clamav-data package contain ClamAV's virus definitions? |
| 02:33.18 | daddius | on debian stable is it possible to install the nvidia driver on it? |
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| 02:33.21 | nekostar | really i want it to look like e17 but be easier to config lol |
| 02:33.28 | nekostar | daddius, yeah sure is |
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| 02:33.42 | nekostar | i run nvidiafx5200 to good effect |
| 02:33.50 | nekostar | *nvidia fx5200 |
| 02:34.00 | daddius | nekostar, i am real new to debian but how would i go about getting it to work.. I have i think a fx5600 |
| 02:34.02 | bucky | daddius: module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 02:34.08 | bucky | that's supposed to handle it |
| 02:34.16 | nekostar | ^_^ |
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| 02:34.44 | nekostar | nvidia-settings package is nice tll :) |
| 02:34.49 | imnes | When parsing through a directory with opendir / readdir how can you identify which entries are files, wihch are directories? |
| 02:34.59 | imnes | (Not a debian question but figured someone here would know) |
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| 02:36.06 | daddius | so on stable it is possible to install newer software ? |
| 02:36.24 | Phated | !backports |
| 02:36.24 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 02:36.26 | crash3m_ | daddius: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 02:42.32 | doub | imnes, the dirent structure that readdir returns has a d_type member, see man readdir |
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| 02:45.51 | rking | somebody ask a question. i'm in #asterisk feeling like a clueless moron, and could enjoy fielding a question about something i actually know |
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| 02:47.04 | crash3m_ | rking: whats 2+2 |
| 02:47.17 | secher | Well, this is sort of cool.. I tried Gnome, and it was too cluttered and restrictive, dropped out, kicked E back in, regenned menus and Boom.. all the Gnome tools and none of the clutter. Nifty. |
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| 02:47.30 | mtnman | crash3m_: what base? |
| 02:47.33 | doub | crash3m_, 5 (for big values of 2) |
| 02:47.38 | crash3m_ | mtnman: 42 of course |
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| 02:47.54 | secher | but what's the question? |
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| 02:48.49 | unixx | anyone know how to install mepis burnt on a non bootable cd? |
| 02:49.20 | unixx | dont flame me |
| 02:49.23 | mtnman | unixx: boot diskette, perhaps? though mepis is off-topic. |
| 02:49.53 | blockd | unixx: there's a #mepis channel... if that's of any help. |
| 02:49.57 | unixx | duh(slaps face) i never thought of a boot floppy |
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| 02:50.11 | mtnman | unixx: uh, you're welcome... |
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| 02:50.37 | doub | #debian definitely isn't what it once was ;) |
| 02:50.47 | unixx | im a xchat n00b, how can i get into it? |
| 02:51.01 | mtnman | doub: the universe changes continuously. |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | unixx: #mepix |
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| 02:51.29 | abrotman | unixx: #mepis |
| 02:51.45 | unixx | ok thatks, i found it |
| 02:51.58 | doub | mtnman, well, i must admit. but some places take longer than others ;) |
| 02:52.10 | rking | crash3m_: i have thought about it, and have decided to answer: 4 |
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| 02:52.26 | crash3m_ | rking: your sooooo smart! |
| 02:52.40 | mtnman | rking: took a while... busy googling?? |
| 02:53.49 | rking | mtnman: i have thought about it, and have decided to answer: yes |
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| 02:56.18 | doub | mtnman, you'll be able to check that |
| 02:56.24 | mtnman | thanks |
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| 02:57.56 | secher | doub: when you said #debian isn't what is once was, to what were you referring? I have the same feeling, but I want to see if we agree. |
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| 02:58.13 | Azar | yep, it is not, is getting better and better |
| 02:58.27 | sfullenwider | feh, bug in Azureus. |
| 02:59.10 | doub | secher, that was just kidding. no more flame wars just because of keywords like "ubuntu", "mepis", "xandros" or the like |
| 02:59.46 | Abaddon666 | I am thinking of using msh. Is it worth of? |
| 02:59.56 | mtnman | doub: well, in the past, nonoe of those distro's existed. |
| 03:00.01 | sfullenwider | is there a port that gets past most NAT's? |
| 03:00.03 | mtnman | none... |
| 03:00.09 | mtnman | 80 |
| 03:00.12 | doub | mtnman, heh |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | Abaddon666: the MS shell ? |
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| 03:00.42 | Abaddon666 | Yes! |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | Abaddon666: how the fuck would we know ? |
| 03:00.57 | sfullenwider | Is there a port that get's past nat's that can be used by nonroot? :P |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | that's the stupidest question of the day |
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| 03:01.29 | mtnman | abrotman: best stupid question ever |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:01.37 | dpkg | qotd102 is, like, <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
| 03:02.25 | doub | it's hard to compete on this field, it seems |
| 03:02.25 | Abaddon666 | I asked without any prejudice against th M$soft. |
| 03:02.44 | doub | at least qotd102 is on topic |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | sfullenwider: device dependent |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | Abaddon666: what channel are you in ? |
| 03:03.01 | mtnman | abaddon666: go ask ms questions on yahoo chat or something. |
| 03:03.13 | sfullenwider | I just wondered if anyone knew one off hand, I know some NAT's are easier on ports belonging to popular game apps |
| 03:03.20 | secher | Is there even an msh in debian? |
| 03:03.40 | mtnman | secher: hope you are joking |
| 03:04.03 | doub | secher, of course. debian was sold to m$ yesterday, you haven't heard of it ? ;) |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | no .. it's not even in windows unless you install some special app |
| 03:04.09 | Phated | heh. |
| 03:04.16 | secher | sfullenwider, check the wiki on amule, search for firewall. While it's amule specific, it's pretty good at laying out what you'll need. |
| 03:04.23 | secher | doub: TORFLOL |
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| 03:04.44 | secher | mtnman: No, I'm serious!!!!! |
| 03:04.50 | Abaddon666 | I use debian but i want also to know what is behind it. |
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| 03:04.58 | abrotman | it's not MSH |
| 03:05.00 | ReignWolve | code |
| 03:05.53 | caphuso | bash would make a mediocre msh replacement |
| 03:06.06 | secher | Abaddon666, Please, what do you mean "what's behind it."? |
| 03:06.15 | mtnman | caphuso: and msh would make a poor bash replacement... |
| 03:06.19 | abrotman | caphuso: ? |
| 03:06.34 | caphuso | msh is closer to the perl/python/ruby family of |
| 03:06.38 | caphuso | languages |
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| 03:07.43 | doub | caphuso, concerning microsoft software, i bet "tries to be" is more appropriate than "is". but maybe that's just me |
| 03:07.45 | Abaddon666 | Behind Redmond and Darth Gates. What is he planning with this all? |
| 03:08.09 | mtnman | doub: is poorly engineered? |
| 03:08.26 | sfullenwider | secher: thanks |
| 03:08.45 | abrotman | Abaddon666: free icy-pops for all . it's very obvious |
| 03:08.50 | caphuso | doub: "is closer to" not "belongs to" |
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| 03:09.23 | iplayguitar | hello everyone |
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| 03:09.31 | doub | mtnman, well, we already said that when we said "microsoft" |
| 03:09.32 | abrotman | why is he electric ? |
| 03:09.38 | iplayguitar | what makes debian the best linus distribution??? |
| 03:09.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell iplayguitar -about why debian |
| 03:09.52 | findme | iplayguitar, people |
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| 03:10.09 | mtnman | iplayguitar: nothing. redhat rulez. |
| 03:10.24 | Abaddon666 | what is free icy-pops? Is it money? |
| 03:10.25 | sfullenwider | Out of curiousity, has anyone ever written a paper on how to search for stuff? So much info gets lost when it's directed toward something other than what you want, yet it still contains what you need. |
| 03:10.31 | iplayguitar | redhat is debian based, isn't it? |
| 03:10.36 | mtnman | no |
| 03:10.40 | abrotman | !tell sfullenwider about refcard |
| 03:10.44 | dondelelcaro | sfullenwider: search for stuff where? |
| 03:10.45 | ReignWolve | linus is the name of the dude that started an os by the name of linux |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | sfullenwider: if i understood your question correctly |
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| 03:11.07 | mtnman | reignwolve: technically, linus wrote a kernel, not an os. |
| 03:11.16 | ReignWolve | i ment kernel |
| 03:11.18 | sfullenwider | I meant like in google, but refcard looks like a good answer to another question I didn't think to ask |
| 03:11.21 | ReignWolve | sorry slip of terms |
| 03:11.37 | secher | Interesting.. M$ is still off the mark, but interesting nonetheless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSH_(shell) |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | sfullenwider: /msg dpkg grounding .. might have some good stuff for you also |
| 03:11.44 | doub | caphuso, of course. but i just can't consider m$ stuff close to something being really thought of |
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| 03:12.10 | dondelelcaro | sfullenwider: apropos, apt-cache search... those are all basic utilities you can use... find . -type f |xargs grep foo; is also surprisingly useful |
| 03:12.14 | findme | caphuso, chief! |
| 03:12.51 | doub | caphuso, at least not in the technical sense. money is another story |
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| 03:13.53 | Abaddon666 | Will msh make people go back to Windows again? |
| 03:14.04 | abrotman | Abaddon666: WE DON'T CARE |
| 03:14.26 | mtnman | abaddon666: you are sounding increasingly trollish |
| 03:14.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i still have this problem: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! berkeley.edu source |
| 03:14.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: which berkeley.edu source? |
| 03:14.58 | sfullenwider | my original question pertained to firewall configurations on hardware routers... (at the time I was fighting a router and a dsl modem and couldn't find any non$$$ guides on router configuration) |
| 03:15.09 | deadcat | deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 03:15.28 | abrotman | deadcat: apt-secure ? |
| 03:15.45 | deadcat | abrotman: ya |
| 03:15.56 | Abaddon666 | I only want to discuss a theme. But it seems that you like to attack people and not to discuss an idea. |
| 03:16.11 | Abaddon666 | This is prejudice |
| 03:16.12 | abrotman | Abaddon666: because it's not remotely related to debian |
| 03:16.15 | mtnman | abaddon666: we have little tolerance for trollish discussion. |
| 03:16.29 | madradrone | i have a question: when a program is written - say it is in C - then it is compiled with gcc - that compiles it into bytecode. the bytecode runs and makes system calls - how do the system calls actually get made? do they differ for different architectures? is that what makes the difference between architectures? |
| 03:16.40 | secher | Abaddon666, This is not a philosophy channel, it's a technical help channel. |
| 03:16.54 | caphuso | madradrone: machine code, not bytecode. and yes |
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| 03:17.26 | madradrone | caphuso: so the only difference between architectures is that the system calls are different, and the compile must compile accordingly ? |
| 03:17.41 | Abaddon666 | But, instead of attcking people it is better to discuss the ideas |
| 03:17.45 | madradrone | s/compile/compiler/ |
| 03:17.48 | caphuso | madradrone: the whole machine code is different |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | madradrone: gcc compiles to machine code for c/c++ .. it's different for each CPU |
| 03:18.13 | mtnman | abaddoon666: if you care to discuss ms and its intentions, please do it elsewhere. |
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| 03:18.50 | madradrone | but its always ELF for different architectures? |
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| 03:19.03 | Abaddon666 | Philosophy is everywhere. Debian is a Phylosophy as well |
| 03:19.28 | madradrone | i guess that's obvious... |
| 03:19.30 | doub | madradrone, as far as linux is concerned, yes |
| 03:19.31 | deadcat | i dont see the key for berkeley.edu |
| 03:19.34 | mtnman | abaddon666: you are now officially a troll. |
| 03:19.36 | secher | Abaddon666, so is physics, but you don't see that being discussed here. |
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| 03:19.50 | IRCMonkey | newbie here. how do i get the desktop working in debian? i installed debian and i got a command prompt. didnt know what to do from there :( |
| 03:19.51 | nekostar | hujm hum hum,.,, |
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| 03:20.07 | madradrone | so how do bash scripts get turned into system calls? |
| 03:20.08 | secher | IRCMonkey, startx |
| 03:20.15 | mtnman | ircmonkey: you need to install X. apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 03:20.25 | Abaddon666 | Now it is a better answer secher. |
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| 03:20.44 | Abaddon666 | Congratulations because you think! |
| 03:20.44 | IRCMonkey | and also what is grub error 15? |
| 03:20.51 | deadcat | apt-get upgrade is complaining about WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! berkeley.edu source |
| 03:20.51 | doub | madradrone, bash parses the script to execute it |
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| 03:21.17 | nekostar | mtnman, any clue what " drivers/scsi/sata_svw.c:141: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw' makes pointer from integer without a cast " means when compiling the modules for the kernel? |
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| 03:21.33 | nekostar | i mean should i be worried its gonna fail? |
| 03:21.43 | mtnman | nekostar: no, and please direct questions to the channel, not to an individual. |
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| 03:22.03 | nekostar | er sorry mtnman and thanx |
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| 03:22.09 | mtnman | nekostar: when i come across an error msg that i don't understand, i plug it into a search engine. |
| 03:22.11 | madradrone | doub: i guessed that. i meant how does it really happen |
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| 03:22.21 | nekostar | >_< HAI! |
| 03:22.31 | deadcat | no help on apt secure? |
| 03:22.39 | doub | madradrone, the same way as with the compiler, with another layer |
| 03:22.40 | nekostar | ok bbl all :) |
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| 03:23.00 | caphuso | deadcat: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 03:23.05 | secher | Damn.. why do I have SELinux stuff on my system? Grrrr.. the NSA makes me break out in hives. |
| 03:23.21 | madradrone | doub: why not make system calls directly then? is it possible somehow? |
| 03:23.34 | doub | madradrone, a compiler takes, say, C source code, translates it into machine code (not system call, it's another story) |
| 03:24.15 | madradrone | doub: yeah, but could you somehow just do some task by just making direct system calls? |
| 03:24.17 | deadcat | caphuso: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 03:24.25 | deadcat | caphuso: i did follow apt-secure |
| 03:24.27 | doub | madradrone, bash takes a script source code, translates it into its internal representation, which is mapped to machine code |
| 03:24.31 | caphuso | deadcat: that means you didn't add the proper key |
| 03:24.41 | deadcat | caphuso: i cant find the key. |
| 03:24.41 | Abaddon666 | How do i install debian in many (6 computers) at once? With the same configuration? |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | !tell Abaddon666 about fai |
| 03:24.56 | secher | Holy Sh1t!!! libselinux1 is tied to just about everything! |
| 03:25.16 | madradrone | doub: i don't get the relation between machine code and system calls. i guess that is what ELF does? |
| 03:25.41 | doub | madradrone, again, it's not a system call. a system call is a way for a program, in userland, to request attention from the kernel |
| 03:26.35 | madradrone | doub: i thought all programs are at their core just end up being a bunch of system calls that do things |
| 03:26.39 | caphuso | deadcat: /msg dpkg apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 03:26.40 | doub | madradrone, ELF is just a standard for putting different parts of machine code instructions and data together |
| 03:26.46 | deadcat | caphuso: where can i find the key for berkeley? i have that key ^^ |
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| 03:26.59 | doub | madradrone, just as MP3 or OGG for music |
| 03:27.17 | caphuso | deadcat: paste your "apt-key list" output |
| 03:27.22 | deadcat | caphuso: i have 1DB114E0 4F368D5D 1F41B907 B5F5BBED |
| 03:27.23 | secher | Is there some oversight into the code of packages that go into debian? I may be paranoid, but I don't like something the NSA puts out being so integral to my system. I worry that there may be a bit of dirty pool going on where selinux is concerned. |
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| 03:27.45 | caphuso | secher: stop being insanely paranoid |
| 03:27.50 | doub | madradrone, what you call "system call" is machine code instruction |
| 03:28.14 | mtnman | secher: if selinux was closed-source you'd have something to worry about. |
| 03:28.18 | madradrone | doub: i mean stuff like execve and open... |
| 03:28.45 | secher | Kk. nuff said.. I just get leery. |
| 03:28.58 | deadcat | caphuso: i did parse it. i dont even know where berkeley's key is at. |
| 03:29.01 | doub | madradrone, these are system calls, but that's one layer upper: system calls are one small part of the whole machine code instructions |
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| 03:29.21 | litage | if ``apt-get remove --purge clamav-freshclam'' says clamav-freshclam isn't installed, why would ``dpkg -l clamav-freshclam'' return "ic clamav-freshclam"? |
| 03:29.25 | mtnman | secher: i'd imagine that selinux is well audited. |
| 03:29.27 | madradrone | doub: oic |
| 03:29.29 | nvz | all se linux does if even being used is provides a mechinism for mandatory access controls.. and for it to be effective, it needs compiled policies and the rootplug removed |
| 03:29.43 | deadcat | litage: dpkg -P clamav-freshclam |
| 03:30.02 | abrotman | nvz: don't you ever work ? |
| 03:30.12 | nvz | debian doesnt install or configure any selinux |
| 03:30.20 | litage | thanks deadcat |
| 03:30.32 | madradrone | doub: thanks for the answers |
| 03:30.37 | golly_ | anyone know how to use rsync wit ssh? |
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| 03:30.41 | deadcat | whoever introduce apt-secure should be shot.. fuck him |
| 03:30.43 | nvz | abrotman: yeah in the morning you zoof |
| 03:30.47 | madradrone | golly_: man rsync |
| 03:30.55 | golly_ | madradrone: really? |
| 03:30.57 | joehippie | question : I have a system I just installed on, it is allowing remote login, and did allow local, but kicked me out of a ssh session, now not allowing me access. still allows for remote (outside lan) login... does the same for ftp too... any clues ? |
| 03:31.06 | madradrone | golly_: yep |
| 03:31.07 | deadcat | golly_: export RSYNC_RSH=ssh |
| 03:31.09 | doub | madradrone, no problem |
| 03:31.37 | golly_ | deadcat: create a variable? |
| 03:31.37 | abrotman | joehippie: is there a firewall inbetween ? |
| 03:31.38 | madradrone | deadcat: uh - there's a better way - try the -e switch which is right there in the man page for anyone who want to read it |
| 03:31.57 | deadcat | madradrone: nope. i dont want to read it (= |
| 03:32.00 | joehippie | abrotman no |
| 03:32.02 | madradrone | but i guess that's too old skool |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | joehippie: not a single one ? |
| 03:32.24 | golly_ | madradrone: it's easier to ask on a forum than trawl a man page, written for techheads |
| 03:32.46 | psychonate | Anyone used conky? Is it better than torsmo? |
| 03:32.54 | deadcat | psychonate: yes |
| 03:33.03 | psychonate | Excellent. I shall try it. |
| 03:33.04 | deadcat | psychonate: but both suck.. flashes like a whore |
| 03:33.05 | nvz | I've never heard of conky or torsmo |
| 03:33.06 | madradrone | golly_: really? take the fish then... |
| 03:33.08 | joehippie | umm abrotman just the linsys router. and i have that port fwd'd to the linux box... |
| 03:33.10 | mtnman | golly_: easier for you. annnoying for those whom you ask. |
| 03:33.14 | psychonate | deadcat, ah, yeah, forgot about that :( |
| 03:33.22 | psychonate | I know what you mean though; I used to use torsmo |
| 03:33.32 | psychonate | well, maybe I will just use gkrellm then heh |
| 03:33.35 | deadcat | psychonate: ya. bad programmers.. |
| 03:33.35 | golly_ | mtnman: what's the point of a forum then? |
| 03:33.43 | deadcat | psychonate: gkrellm suck too (= |
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| 03:34.01 | psychonate | deadcat, well, there are only so many choices heh. What do you recommend? |
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| 03:34.24 | mtnman | golly_: the idea is to find your own answer if you can. if you exhibit no evidence of having done so, people are disinclined you help you since you come off as lazy |
| 03:34.28 | deadcat | psychonate: of the 3, conky. i like wm applets still (= |
| 03:34.40 | psychonate | Windowmaker? |
| 03:34.47 | caphuso | u_init.c? |
| 03:34.48 | deadcat | wm applets |
| 03:34.51 | golly_ | mtnman: yeah I know |
| 03:34.56 | madradrone | golly_: is it so hard to type "man ssh" then /ssh and hit enter a few times? |
| 03:35.01 | mtnman | golly_: then why ask? |
| 03:35.03 | psychonate | deadcat, window manager applets? |
| 03:35.20 | madradrone | golly_: "man rsync" that is... |
| 03:35.21 | golly_ | mtnman: sometimes people are online who know the exact answer. |
| 03:35.24 | psychonate | if that's what you mean, I never really messed with them |
| 03:35.28 | deadcat | psychonate: i dont kow what wm stands for but i think its window maker related. |
| 03:35.38 | psychonate | Do you use Windowmaker then? |
| 03:35.44 | mtnman | golly_: that is no excuse for not looking up the answer yourself. |
| 03:35.44 | golly_ | madradrone: yeah I know man rsync..... I can't seem to find how ssh works |
| 03:35.48 | deadcat | psychonate: no. openbox |
| 03:35.50 | DIGO | OLÁ! |
| 03:35.52 | psychonate | ah |
| 03:36.01 | golly_ | mtnman: man rsync doesn't answer ssh questions |
| 03:36.11 | psychonate | deadcat, I've been using IceWM for a couple months. Maybe I'll take a gander at these applets you speak of. |
| 03:36.13 | deadcat | psychonate: wmaker themes suck. they all look the same. changing the color doesnt really == change theme |
| 03:36.15 | madradrone | golly_: bullshit |
| 03:36.17 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't need to export RSYNC_RSH on Debian unless you've got rsh installed. |
| 03:36.30 | dondelelcaro | (why you'd have rsh installed is beyond me) |
| 03:36.31 | deadcat | ^^ true |
| 03:37.04 | patryk-state-ma | damn there are a lot of people in here |
| 03:37.09 | deadcat | psychonate: wm applets are really not as fancy as conky/torsmo/gkrellm but since these 3 really suck at what they do... |
| 03:37.23 | nvz | patryk-state-ma: how do you know? |
| 03:37.30 | psychonate | heh |
| 03:37.39 | nvz | apt, person |
| 03:37.40 | apt | person is probably like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 03:37.43 | deadcat | psychonate: but if you want my config file: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.conkyrc |
| 03:37.44 | golly_ | madradrone: dude, doesn't explain how to get ssh working as a server client service |
| 03:38.01 | madradrone | golly_: OK |
| 03:38.07 | Guerin | golly_: wtf is hard about ssh |
| 03:38.11 | dondelelcaro | golly_: you don't need to do any of that. rsync talks to rsync via ssh. It's simple. |
| 03:38.20 | dondelelcaro | golly_: ssh just connects a bidirectional pipe. |
| 03:38.28 | DIGO | ALGUÉM AFIM DE TC? |
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| 03:38.37 | DIGO | QUE FALE PORTUGUES? |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:38.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:38.42 | abrotman | drrr ... |
| 03:38.43 | dondelelcaro | !br |
| 03:38.43 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:38.44 | caphuso | abrotman: not quite |
| 03:38.49 | DIGO | OI |
| 03:38.50 | psychonate | deadcat, well, I might just try gkrellm for a bit. I'm not sure if I can deal with the refreshing---or whatever it is---in conky/torsmo |
| 03:38.59 | abrotman | caphuso: yeah .. i noticed the alguem after i did it :) |
| 03:39.03 | deadcat | psychonate: the things on the top right are applets gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ibook/xwd_20051010_32540.png |
| 03:39.05 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: do I open ports on my firewall? |
| 03:39.12 | patryk-state-ma | golly_ you can't get sshd running? |
| 03:39.17 | Abaddon666 | Eu falo português |
| 03:39.19 | deadcat | psychonate: if you set conky with double buffer, it wont flash |
| 03:39.26 | dondelelcaro | golly_: if you need to to connect to ssh, yes. |
| 03:39.33 | Guerin | !br |
| 03:39.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:39.37 | dondelelcaro | golly_: first things first, you need to be able to ssh to the machine. |
| 03:39.45 | Guerin | Abaddon666: that was for you ^ |
| 03:39.49 | deadcat | psychonate: but since i dont want that shit software to be in the root window so i have to set it as own window. thats where the problem is |
| 03:40.05 | psychonate | hmm |
| 03:40.05 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: OK...that much I've figgered. So first step to test that is .......??? I dion't know |
| 03:40.15 | dondelelcaro | golly_: ssh baruser@foomachine |
| 03:40.17 | Abaddon666 | He must be lost! |
| 03:40.19 | psychonate | deadcat, I already have rox-filer running in the run window (pinboard mode) heh |
| 03:40.22 | dondelelcaro | golly_: and loose the excess punctuation |
| 03:40.26 | dondelelcaro | s/oo/o/ |
| 03:40.42 | psychonate | deadcat, so I'd have yet another app running in the root window. Not sure if that really slows things down though |
| 03:40.42 | deadcat | psychonate: never heard of that mode |
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| 03:41.14 | angustia | hello |
| 03:41.31 | deadcat | psychonate: just open a big ass terminal and cat /proc/* every second |
| 03:41.33 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: tried that and it tells me "ssh: papabear:Name ro service not available |
| 03:41.43 | angustia | does anybody know how to get rid of the new white mouse cursor, and put the old black again? |
| 03:41.47 | dondelelcaro | golly_: then your machine can't resolve papabear. |
| 03:41.50 | angustia | ditto for the watch, etc... |
| 03:41.54 | nvz | deadcat: forget the ass terminals, use watch |
| 03:41.54 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: how do I make it? |
| 03:42.03 | deadcat | angustia: remove all the gtk2-engine packages |
| 03:42.10 | patryk-state-ma | actually papabear isn't the server. |
| 03:42.13 | angustia | deadcat: thank you |
| 03:42.14 | deadcat | nvz: that too (= |
| 03:42.14 | dondelelcaro | golly_: either set up /etc/hosts; or enter the proper resolv.conf entry so that machine can resolve. |
| 03:42.15 | litage | i thought ``apt-get upgrade pkgX'' would upgrade only pkgX, but instead it tries to do all. how does one upgrade a single package? |
| 03:42.16 | abrotman | deadcat: no ... |
| 03:42.17 | patryk-state-ma | when you ssh somewhere it's username:server |
| 03:42.23 | abrotman | deadcat: that's not right |
| 03:42.25 | dondelelcaro | patryk-state-ma: it's username@server |
| 03:42.29 | deadcat | abrotman: hehe |
| 03:42.32 | patryk-state-ma | ah right my bad.. @ |
| 03:42.34 | abrotman | deadcat: you're an ass |
| 03:42.34 | angustia | uh |
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| 03:42.35 | Guerin | patryk-state-ma: username is implied if not present |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | angustia: he's lying to you |
| 03:42.42 | patryk-state-ma | Guerin, yup |
| 03:42.43 | deadcat | angustia: update-alternative --config x-blah |
| 03:42.44 | Abaddon666 | You do not need to say hello, angustia. Everybody knows that u are in. |
| 03:42.51 | nvz | abrotman: an ass terminal |
| 03:42.51 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: cheers will delve further . thanks |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | !tell Abaddon666 about u |
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| 03:43.12 | deadcat | abrotman: no. i am right. gtk2-engines-industrial <- this pkg |
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| 03:43.24 | abrotman | deadcat: why not just change your theme instead of removing it ? |
| 03:43.31 | doub | Abaddon666, no, i didn't ;) |
| 03:43.34 | angustia | I'll try.. I don't use any of those engines anyway |
| 03:43.36 | patryk-state-ma | dondelelcaro, got it mixed up with scp server:file |
| 03:43.43 | litage | n/m :) |
| 03:43.47 | DIGO | ALGUEM AFIM DE TC? |
| 03:43.48 | deadcat | abrotman: ^^ thats why |
| 03:44.20 | abrotman | deadcat: he didn't say he wasn't using them til just now |
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| 03:44.27 | abrotman | !tell DIGO about br |
| 03:44.32 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: in etc/hosts. and I don't know what's what.....and there's no mention of papabear |
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| 03:44.34 | deadcat | abrotman: i am ahead of him |
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| 03:44.46 | patryk-state-ma | golly_, you need to add that server's ip address. |
| 03:44.50 | deadcat | angustia: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
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| 03:45.02 | whacko | im using debian(kernel 2.6.13.1) and it detected my sound card (intel 915GAV onboard) , but i couldnt hear any songs. can anyone help me in this regd?? |
| 03:45.06 | Abaddon666 | Digo, este site não é de pornografia. Vá para outro lugar! |
| 03:45.13 | golly_ | patryk-state-ma: what if I'm on dynamic IPs? |
| 03:45.15 | patryk-state-ma | golly_, /etc/hosts holds a list of "ip's as names" so up top you should see "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 03:45.22 | golly_ | patryk-state-ma: yeah |
| 03:45.28 | mtnman | whacko: run a mixer app and check your levels |
| 03:45.41 | angustia | deadcat: do I need to restart X? |
| 03:45.43 | patryk-state-ma | golly_, then you can't use /etc/hosts and you need a dns server to translate. |
| 03:45.46 | angustia | (after that) |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | caphuso: can you get the other one too ? |
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| 03:45.54 | dondelelcaro | golly_: don't use the name, use the ip address then. |
| 03:45.55 | whacko | mtnman, i did that,but i couldnt hear any music |
| 03:45.56 | deadcat | angustia: if its still white. then yes |
| 03:46.16 | mtnman | whacko: check the speakers/cables |
| 03:46.25 | patryk-state-ma | golly_, I have my own server at my apartment.. but since private 'net access (home) is typically DHCP'd and your ip changes, you need to use a service like DynDNS.org |
| 03:46.33 | mtnman | whacko: how are you trying to play music? |
| 03:46.36 | angustia | ok. thank you very much. Good bye |
| 03:46.39 | deadcat | i had to install the industrial pkg to get that mouse. how you guys get it by default? |
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| 03:46.51 | whacko | mtnman, im playing thro xmms |
| 03:47.03 | mtnman | whacko: cd mp3 or what? |
| 03:47.11 | whacko | mp3 |
| 03:47.13 | caphuso | abrotman: doesn't feel like he's really mishaving right now |
| 03:47.14 | patryk-state-ma | you run a program on your server to contact their DNS servers and they give you a domain name that points to your home computer /server. |
| 03:47.14 | angustia | deadcat: it comes in new installations |
| 03:47.17 | angustia | bye |
| 03:47.20 | deadcat | oh |
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| 03:47.23 | patryk-state-ma | most routers have support for dyndns |
| 03:47.32 | mtnman | whacko: as root lsmod to see if the module for your soundcard is loaded. |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | caphuso: but .. but .. the MSH! :) |
| 03:47.45 | whacko | mtnman, the slider is moving but i couldnt hear the songs |
| 03:47.52 | Diggit1 | guys whats the command again to display debian install version |
| 03:48.01 | patryk-state-ma | you need to make sure your router/firewall forwards your ssh port and anything else you want to have available to your server. |
| 03:48.10 | golly_ | dondelelcaro : cool, now ssh throws no errors, it just seems to freeze in the terminal, ie: nothing happens |
| 03:48.10 | mtnman | whacko: check muting/leveles for vol and pcm and pcm2 if you have it. |
| 03:48.11 | dondelelcaro | Diggit1: cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; |
| 03:48.11 | patryk-state-ma | then you can access you machine from anywhere. |
| 03:48.14 | caphuso | abrotman: that was minutes ago! i grew up in the 90ies! my attention span isn't that long! |
| 03:48.25 | dondelelcaro | golly_: then ssh -vv foo.ip.address; |
| 03:48.26 | abrotman | caphuso: what was minutes ago? |
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| 03:48.28 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:48.34 | yarou | ahh Irssi |
| 03:48.34 | caphuso | abrotman: heh |
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| 03:48.42 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: what should happen if successful? |
| 03:48.46 | nvz | you |
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| 03:48.46 | whacko | mtnman, what is pcm and pcm2?? |
| 03:48.52 | ReignWolve | lol caphuso that was funny |
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| 03:48.58 | nvz | you'd be like 15 if you grew up in the 90s heh |
| 03:49.01 | mtnman | !pcm |
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| 03:49.05 | dpkg | well, pcm is Pulse Code Modulation, an encoding that represts intensity for several samples. In the case of audio, each sample is how far the speaker should go out or in to produce sound. two channels at 44100 samples per second each, or 44100 hertz is CD quality |
| 03:49.22 | Yarou | hmm |
| 03:49.23 | ReignWolve | not if they were a teenager in the 90s |
| 03:49.29 | doub | caphuso, you forgot to mention that was in a western country |
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| 03:49.40 | Yarou | keke |
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| 03:49.47 | DIGO | OLÁ! |
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| 03:50.05 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:50.11 | deadcat | que? |
| 03:50.12 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: that ought to suffice :) |
| 03:50.40 | ubuntu43e | Is there a easy way to get java support for any web browser? I have tried with no luck |
| 03:50.43 | caphuso | stupid autobleh... |
| 03:50.51 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 03:51.18 | deadcat | ubuntu43e: yes. |
| 03:51.21 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: ok, getting a verbose answer but still freezes. What' s'pose to happen? |
| 03:51.22 | Guerin | ubuntu43e: /topic, if you run debian. If you're actually using ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 03:51.36 | dondelelcaro | golly_: use the paster bot to give the output of the run. |
| 03:51.36 | deadcat | Guerin: how can you tell? |
| 03:51.46 | Guerin | deadcat: got mah mojo workin' |
| 03:51.55 | deadcat | i see |
| 03:51.55 | ubuntu43e | ok I will go to that chann |
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| 03:54.26 | whacko | mtnman, when i try to play in xmms i get an err " Pls chk that ur sound card is config properly or no other pgm is blocking ur card" |
| 03:54.38 | caphuso | is that LC_ALL=en_AOL? |
| 03:54.44 | mtnman | whacko: "ps aux" and check if you have audio programs running |
| 03:55.08 | deadcat | caphuso: nice (= |
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| 03:55.48 | golly_ | dondelelcaro: it's not this machine,so pasting ain't an option. I opened a firewall port 22 and it connects now. Is there a way of specifying which port ssh uses, rather than the default 22? |
| 03:56.11 | Guerin | golly_: no, the port number is hard-coded, for security |
| 03:56.15 | Guerin | like in all modern software |
| 03:56.19 | mtnman | golly_: man sshd_config will tell you how |
| 03:56.23 | Guerin | options are insecure, you should know that |
| 03:56.31 | golly_ | mtnman: big on the man pages eh? |
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| 03:56.48 | zinx | Guerin: then gnome is the most secure piece of software ever |
| 03:56.51 | golly_ | mtnman: read the thread dude.....the answeers I got WERE NOT ON THE MAN PAGES! |
| 03:56.55 | patryk-state-ma | zinx, hehe |
| 03:56.57 | Guerin | golly_: big on the asking idiot questions which are answered with crystal clarity in the man pages |
| 03:57.08 | dondelelcaro | golly_: lose the caps. The answers you got are in the manpages, actually. |
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| 03:57.20 | Guerin | zinx: i think that's their idea, but they're still a ways behind evilwm |
| 03:57.21 | golly_ | Guerin: nothing in man pages about setting up ssh to work properly |
| 03:57.23 | Abaddon666 | Digo, este site não é de pornografia. Vá para outro lugar! |
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| 03:57.28 | dondelelcaro | golly_: Port Specifies the port number that sshd listens on. The default is 22. Multiple options of this type are permitted. See also ListenAddress. |
| 03:57.32 | doub | Guerin, yeah, that's a trap for buffer overflows for lazy programmers parsing with scanf |
| 03:57.39 | Guerin | golly_: no, because ssh works properly by default. |
| 03:57.56 | golly_ | Guerin: that must be why I had to come here |
| 03:58.03 | golly_ | becuase it works by default |
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| 03:58.09 | whacko | mtnman, i have pasted the o/p at http://pastebin.ca/30487 |
| 03:58.18 | dondelelcaro | golly_, Guerin: take the bickering elsewhere please, or use /ignore. |
| 03:58.22 | Guerin | golly_: it works fine for hundreds of millions of other people |
| 03:58.25 | Guerin | roger |
| 03:58.28 | golly_ | guerin how man? |
| 03:58.30 | golly_ | many? |
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| 03:58.35 | doub | golly_, i'd rather say that's because you're too lazy to RTFM, but maybe that's just me ;) |
| 03:58.56 | dondelelcaro | golly_: spend the next ten minutes reading a manpage, please. |
| 03:59.04 | karrot-x | i dont know if you guys would know this, but does the new Verizon FiOS have a modem? |
| 03:59.07 | karrot-x | or is it a direct line |
| 03:59.16 | mtnman | golly_: man sshd_config certainly contians info on configuring sshd including changing the default port. |
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| 04:01.10 | mtnman | golly_: if you don't believe me, i will guide you to that information. |
| 04:01.17 | patryk-state-ma | anyone else having trouble getting to enlightenment.org ? |
| 04:01.30 | deadcat | yes |
| 04:01.44 | deadcat | the internet is flaky lately |
| 04:01.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you broke it. |
| 04:02.12 | deadcat | must be my bird flu (= |
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| 04:03.25 | deadcat | i am running fakeap on my usb wireless device.. hella cool hahah |
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| 04:05.34 | Abaddon666 | What time is there? |
| 04:05.39 | deadcat | doub: t('.'t) |
| 04:05.39 | mtnman | doub: a debian mirror? |
| 04:05.53 | Stereo | dpkg: mythtv |
| 04:05.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 04:06.05 | fr33mind | On Debian sarge, I try to make memtest86+ work... but I receive an error in grub: error 28 selected item cannot fit into memory |
| 04:06.36 | doub | Abaddon666, +53634s, in Orion time |
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| 04:06.59 | doub | mtnman, of course |
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| 04:07.12 | mtnman | !stardate |
| 04:07.16 | Abaddon666 | Where do i get tha? |
| 04:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Today is Sweetmorn, the 34th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 317 |
| 04:08.35 | Diggit1 | anyone recommend a way that i can do incremental backups of a server from one location to another - is R-sync the only real option here? |
| 04:08.53 | deadcat | Diggit1: rsnapshot |
| 04:08.54 | dondelelcaro | Diggit1: it's the standard mechanism, yes. |
| 04:08.58 | Lee__ | rsync is /the/ option. there are front ends. backupninja, amanda. |
| 04:09.11 | OhSmiTt | how can I sort the output of du -hs * |
| 04:09.17 | dondelelcaro | OhSmiTt: with sort |
| 04:09.19 | Diggit1 | righto thanks guys |
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| 04:09.37 | OhSmiTt | dondelelcaro, wow, thanks!! |
| 04:09.39 | Diggit1 | i have an accounting firm that wants to back up to another office site |
| 04:09.46 | Diggit1 | thanks again! |
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| 04:10.23 | OhSmiTt | dondelelcaro, you have specific options for that ?? |
| 04:10.49 | Abaddon666 | What time is there? |
| 04:10.51 | dondelelcaro | OhSmiTt: unfortunatly, -h bit won't quite sort properly... but du -s *|sort -nr|less |
| 04:10.53 | OhSmiTt | as I'm sure you are aware -h is human readable and has M,G in the numeric part of the sort |
| 04:10.54 | deadcat | 3am |
| 04:11.21 | dondelelcaro | OhSmiTt: you can then shoot that output through perl or awk if you really care about the units on it. |
| 04:11.40 | doub | Abaddon666, just in case you didn't notice, you already asked that question ;) |
| 04:11.49 | OhSmiTt | dondelelcaro, sigh, yea ... |
| 04:11.52 | deadcat | i told him its 3am |
| 04:11.58 | Abaddon666 | Here it is 01:11 am |
| 04:12.01 | fr33mind | Nobody knows about memtest86+ on sarge and grub? |
| 04:12.06 | dondelelcaro | OhSmiTt: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:12.08 | Abaddon666 | Thanks! |
| 04:12.14 | doub | Abaddon666, damn! this is interresting |
| 04:12.45 | OhSmiTt | dondelelcaro: well .. sort and then have the output in MB GB so that it's easier to read |
| 04:12.49 | Abaddon666 | Doub, control yourself! |
| 04:13.03 | doub | Abaddon666, just kidding |
| 04:13.05 | OhSmiTt | I was sure I have done it in the past .... |
| 04:13.32 | OhSmiTt | I'll just re- pipe it ... no worries |
| 04:14.39 | Abaddon666 | Good Night to all! |
| 04:14.47 | sbk | fr33mind: how are you booting it? I see a few bug reports on this very issue |
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| 04:15.11 | fr33mind | sbk: in grub |
| 04:15.43 | sbk | fr33mind: what I mean is, what is the line in grub.conf that you use to boot it? |
| 04:16.12 | fr33mind | sbk: my line is good. I checked it carefuly. |
| 04:16.36 | fr33mind | sbk: grub is multiboot and the binary of memtest86+ in sarge seems to not be multiboot compatible. |
| 04:16.39 | BibTeX | what makes a DVD viewable on a certain HARDAWARE and unviewable on a nother one |
| 04:16.41 | BibTeX | ? |
| 04:17.00 | Guerin | fr33mind: download the ultimate bootcd |
| 04:17.03 | sbk | fr33mind: does that mean you are using the "kernel" argument to boot it? |
| 04:17.04 | Guerin | i think that has it on |
| 04:17.31 | fr33mind | sbk: yes |
| 04:17.45 | sbk | fr33mind: have you tried chainloading it? |
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| 04:17.53 | fr33mind | guerin: I don't have any cdrom or floppy on this machine... it's a server. |
| 04:18.03 | fr33mind | sbk: i don't know what it is. |
| 04:18.07 | Guerin | fr33mind: damn. |
| 04:18.27 | fr33mind | guerin: If I'm forced to, I will install one and boot ubuntu. |
| 04:18.28 | BibTeX | I am inserting a DVD amd I have the message "no media" |
| 04:18.31 | BibTeX | what does it mean |
| 04:18.44 | fr33mind | sbk: Maybe it's also a problem with reiserfs. |
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| 04:19.05 | rage | :w |
| 04:19.06 | sbk | fr33mind: let me point you to this bug report. http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=3404 |
| 04:19.10 | rage | whoops, nm |
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| 04:19.42 | sbk | fr33mind: if memtest is 'self-bootable', then chainloading it will effectively remove grub entirely from the picture. |
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| 04:20.20 | sbk | fr33mind: there's also an mbchk utility from grub that you can use, if you want to see what's up with the multiboot format |
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| 04:22.22 | fr33mind | sbk: I will try the chainblablabla thing.. |
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| 04:22.39 | sbk | fr33mind: hm. Well, if your kernel is also on reiserfs, and grub was able to boot it, then it's less likely to be a filesystem read problem. But yeah, if it's not able to read it properly for some reason, the chainloader approach will also not work. dunno. |
| 04:23.21 | fr33mind | My kernel works and is in the same directory (/boot) than my kernel. |
| 04:23.32 | fr33mind | (than memtest86+.bin) |
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| 04:24.38 | sbk | fr33mind: *nod* ok. Well -- then my guess is that it's less likely to be a filesystem read issue. Maybe (as the bug report suggests) something weird with the motherboard/bios. In any case -- you can validate the multiboot header with mbchk, and bypass grub with chainloading. |
| 04:24.52 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 04:25.11 | fr33mind | sbk: ?? mbchk ? |
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| 04:26.06 | tga | hey.. is there any app that will send stdin to multiple files simultaneously? |
| 04:26.08 | sbk | fr33mind: tool to verify the multiboot header. You said you thought there was a problem with the header |
| 04:26.37 | caphuso | tga: tee |
| 04:26.49 | Guerin | tga: tee will do at leasttwo; and I guess perhaps you could chain tees together if it won't do more |
| 04:26.49 | tga | caphuso, thanks |
| 04:26.49 | sbk | fr33mind: or (to repeat myself) you can bag the whole multiboot BS and just chainload it. have fun ;) |
| 04:26.57 | BibTeX | packet command error: status=0x51 |
| 04:26.57 | tga | I want to send my audio output to two dsps |
| 04:27.05 | BibTeX | wjhat does it mean: packet command error: status=0x51 |
| 04:27.50 | fr33mind | sbk: it's ok in menu.lst: title blabla... / root (hd0,1) / chainloader /boot/memtest86+.bin / boot |
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| 04:28.23 | fr33mind | sbk: also I copied my memtest86+.bin from my breezy ubuntu laptop... |
| 04:28.35 | sbk | fr33mind: this is why I asked you to print out your line from menu.lst :) |
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| 04:29.00 | sbk | fr33mind: oh well -- no further ideas from me, if you're already trying to chainload it. |
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| 04:29.20 | tga | caphuso, Guerin: any idea how I can wire a fake file into tee? I'd like to have a fake dsp device that sends input to two other files |
| 04:29.20 | fr33mind | sbk: no no, it was a question after modifying my menu.lst.. it's ok now? |
| 04:29.38 | sbk | fr33mind: ah, ok. Yes, that looks fine |
| 04:29.40 | caphuso | tga: what's a "fake file"? |
| 04:29.45 | fr33mind | sbk: I reboot the server.. |
| 04:30.05 | tga | caphuso, uhm.. something that looks like a file but is in fact a pipe to an app |
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| 04:30.14 | caphuso | tga: uh, cat? |
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| 04:31.32 | tga | caphuso, I want to have something like a fake device that just sits there and redirects input sent to it |
| 04:31.37 | golly_ | hey dondelelcaro. ssh works great now man, thanks and sorry for the newbie annoyance |
| 04:31.57 | dondelelcaro | golly_: cool |
| 04:31.59 | caphuso | tga: that sounds like beyond typical shell utilities |
| 04:32.19 | caphuso | tga: also, it sounds like something that has already been solved |
| 04:32.58 | tga | caphuso, I can't seem to find anything useful on Google |
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| 04:33.35 | caphuso | tga: well, how about you tell us what you're actually trying to achieve instead of how you think the implementation should look like? |
| 04:34.31 | dondelelcaro | sounds like a socket to me... |
| 04:34.41 | tga | caphuso, I just did.. I want to have a fake /dev/dsp that would just send all data to two real devices |
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| 04:35.14 | caphuso | tga: that's implementation, not a description of what you want to achieve |
| 04:35.47 | tga | caphuso, mmkay.. I want to send all audio output to two separate devices |
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| 04:37.17 | caphuso | tga: like running one mp3player and outputting on two physical soundcards? |
| 04:37.41 | bucky | he's gonna send one to his marshall and the other to the leslie |
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| 04:37.56 | tga | caphuso, exactly |
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| 04:38.11 | sharp- | hello |
| 04:38.13 | dondelelcaro | this is why splitters/crossovers/mixers were invented |
| 04:38.16 | tga | caphuso, I am running a few Sun Rays though so ALSA isn't an option |
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| 04:39.04 | tga | dondelelcaro, the devices send audio to thin terminals across the network.. splitters won't help much |
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| 04:39.23 | sharp- | If a really old server (woody) with a lot of users and config information (dial-in/ldap ras auth) stored in /etc, couldn't you in theory build an identical box and copy /etc? |
| 04:39.54 | tga | sharp-, it's probably a better idea to manually copy your data selectivelly |
| 04:39.54 | caphuso | tga: i'd start with checking if artsd/esound/nas/... support something like that |
| 04:39.58 | sharp- | I know tty hasn't chnaged in linux, all the hardware will still be there |
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| 04:40.09 | sharp- | tga: correct, I just honestly dont know what to copy, i backed up the entire box |
| 04:40.10 | sbk | I wonder if you can you try (as I think dondelelcaro indicated) mknod a pipe, and then tee that into your real devices. But it would be a bit 'fragile' maybe, if the tee process dies for some reason it would just block. |
| 04:40.14 | sharp- | the problem is now I need to get it sarge. |
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| 04:40.29 | sharp- | and its so out of date, and very critical |
| 04:40.32 | Guerin | sharp-: you could copy some of /etc ... some config formats are likely to have changed. |
| 04:40.44 | sharp- | rihgt, im gonna install a fresh copy of sarge |
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| 04:40.49 | sharp- | but if you had lets say a digi coard |
| 04:40.51 | sharp- | digiboard rather |
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| 04:40.57 | sharp- | the tty and config information is gonna be in /etc |
| 04:40.58 | sharp- | right? |
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| 04:41.24 | sharp- | pci devices, gotta make sure kernel is configured |
| 04:41.24 | verecsd | Hi. What are some things I can do with my new fancy video card on my Debian install? |
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| 04:41.48 | verecsd | I know some games are out, but I don't have any with Linux versions (Doom 3, Quake 4) |
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| 04:42.18 | dondelelcaro | sharp-: generally, but just copying /etc/ over is likely to break things. Why not bring up the new box in parallel, and configure it appropriately, using the old configuration files as a reference? |
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| 04:43.22 | sharp- | i dont know how to configure a digiboard and my window of downtime is pretty much 0 because it is a dial in server |
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| 04:43.46 | sharp- | and then it does some weird shit and auths of the domains |
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| 04:44.02 | sharp- | settup about 16 months ago... not updated at all |
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| 04:44.05 | Guerin | sharp-: schedule downtime |
| 04:44.22 | dondelelcaro | sharp-: right, which is why you configure the new machine, test it, then bring it up in place of the old machine. |
| 04:44.32 | Guerin | sharp-: all systems need downtime - just scheedule it a month out, on a sunday night or something, and notify everyone |
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| 04:45.30 | sharp- | k |
| 04:45.53 | sharp- | just not sure of my abilities to bring it backup |
| 04:46.28 | Guerin | sharp-: which is why you do what dondelelcaro said. |
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| 04:47.43 | sharp- | i need a $600 digiboard. |
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| 04:47.45 | crn | how do i tell dhcpd to update the local named in debian? I don't see anything in the man pages. |
| 04:48.00 | sharp- | once i pull the old one down, to pull the card out and see if it works, the other system will not come back up. |
| 04:48.21 | fr33mind | sbk: nothing work. |
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| 04:48.42 | fr33mind | sbk: ok I have installed CD-ROM.. what is the image of memtest86+ ? |
| 04:49.19 | fr33mind | sbk: It doesn't find the memtest on the install cd of ubuntu too!!! |
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| 04:49.28 | sbk | fr33mind: I don't know anything about the cdrom, sorry |
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| 04:49.37 | sharp- | hmm |
| 04:49.42 | sharp- | web site says it works with linux |
| 04:49.43 | tga | are bash pipes buffered? |
| 04:49.44 | obtix | i am trying to build out an old system and when i go to install the video card (via the NVIDIA installer from their website which I used before) it says "If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel (Which I am using the 2.6.14 from Debian), please make sure you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system." which I am.. there is more about "If you specified a seperate output dir using either the "KBUILD_OUT |
| 04:49.45 | sharp- | very encouraging |
| 04:50.00 | sharp- | tga: e2fsprogs is gone |
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| 04:50.16 | dondelelcaro | sharp-: downtime is that big of a deal, and you don't have a backup of the digiboard? |
| 04:50.23 | lackita | hey, I just moved my computer to my parents house to get some work done during thanksgiving, but when I try to connect to the internet, I can't seem to connect to a dhcp server |
| 04:50.51 | deathdellic | lackita got router? |
| 04:51.05 | lackita | no |
| 04:51.11 | sharp- | dond: I didnt set it up. |
| 04:51.20 | verecsd | Hi. What are some things I can do with my new fancy video card on my Debian install? I know there are some games and game demos out, but I don't have any of the games and am downloading some of the demos. Is there anything else cool I can use it for? |
| 04:51.23 | sharp- | I could buy a digiboard, i dont see why it is a problem either. |
| 04:51.35 | lackita | they're going through a cable modem, if that helps |
| 04:51.37 | sharp- | that then brings about the authentication part.... |
| 04:51.43 | doleyb | lackita: what is it plugged into (that you think should have a dhcp server)? |
| 04:51.47 | sharp- | I think i can figure that out, maybe just pass it smb_auth |
| 04:51.47 | deathdellic | unplug modem for awile and plug it back in lackita |
| 04:52.14 | deathdellic | mine does that |
| 04:52.22 | lackita | well, it's plugged into a hub and the uplink is directly to the cable modem |
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| 04:52.44 | doleyb | lackita: "uplink"? hubs don't have uplinks. |
| 04:53.08 | bluestrain | lackita how many computers plugged into the hub. (not including yours) |
| 04:53.24 | lackita | 1 |
| 04:53.31 | valdyn_ | lackita: either your hub is a router or your cablemodem is |
| 04:53.46 | obtix | i am trying to build out an old system and when i go to install the video card (via the NVIDIA installer from their website which I used before) it says "If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel (Which I am using the 2.6.14 from Debian), please make sure you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system." which I am.. there is more about "If you specified a seperate output dir using either the "KBUILD_OUT |
| 04:54.09 | doleyb | lackita: if the box has a port labeled "uplink" (different from the other ports), then it's not a hub. Its a switch or router. |
| 04:54.28 | valdyn_ | obtix: you shouldnt use nvidias installer at all, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:54.29 | doleyb | (or it's just dishonestly lableled) |
| 04:54.41 | lackita | I'm pretty sure it's dishonestly labled |
| 04:55.04 | doleyb | lackita: so you have no reason to have a hub been your PC and the modem, except maybe more distance? |
| 04:55.21 | lackita | no, I didn't include my own computer |
| 04:55.39 | lackita | there are two total, the one I'm typing from now and my computer |
| 04:56.22 | doleyb | lackita: you need to have only one computer plugged to the cable-modem at a time, unless your cable company is very weirdly generous. |
| 04:56.28 | lackita | the strange thing is I used this hub this summer and this model of cable modem, and I experienced no problems when I moved from my apartment into my dorm room |
| 04:57.05 | doleyb | I don't think the cable company wants their dhcp server to give 2 ips to one customer at the same time. |
| 04:57.35 | obtix | valdyn_ thanks! |
| 04:57.57 | lackita | could I pretend like I have a static ip that's the same as the current computers dynamically obtained one? |
| 04:58.22 | lackita | because my parents computer is utterly useless for what I need to do |
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| 04:58.47 | doleyb | lackita: um, sure, if you unplug the other computer. That'd get you in about the same situation as if you just unplugged it and turned the modem off for 6 minutes. |
| 04:58.51 | lackita | btw, how would the provider know that I didn't just restart my computer |
| 04:59.35 | doleyb | lackita: normally the modem reads the unique id of the ethernet card, and won't accept any other ethernet card until it reboots. |
| 05:00.10 | lackita | alright, so the basic question, how do two computers connect through the same cable modem? |
| 05:00.31 | doleyb | lackita: to do that, you need a router in your house. It can either be a standalone box (like a hub, but more expensive) |
| 05:00.35 | Guerin | lackita: one connects through it, and routes packets for the other |
| 05:00.45 | doleyb | lackita: or one of the computers can have 2 ethernet cards, and run software to be a router. |
| 05:01.07 | bluestrain | lackita, they use a DHCP serving device, such as a router/firewall combo |
| 05:01.33 | lackita | ok, so my options are set up a router, or only connect with one computer at a time? |
| 05:02.10 | doleyb | lackita: yes, or (unlikely to work) pay the cable co to give you more addresses (idk if they even know how). But, routers are about $25 today. |
| 05:02.15 | Phated | It's not exactly hard. L( |
| 05:02.39 | doleyb | lackita: and both WindowsXP and linux include router software, if you spent $5 on another ethernet card. |
| 05:03.20 | sharp- | omg! |
| 05:03.21 | sharp- | I got it |
| 05:03.25 | sharp- | throw more money at the problem |
| 05:03.29 | Guerin | yay |
| 05:03.31 | sharp- | http://www.digistoreonline.com/product.asp?sku=1839636 |
| 05:03.35 | lackita | if this was for more than a weekend, I would set up a router, but I'm a bit hard pressed for time so I'm just gonna make my parents take turns with me connecting to the internet |
| 05:03.38 | sharp- | buy a new digiboard that supports ras, dhcp all in one |
| 05:03.42 | sharp- | and uses 10/100 ethernet |
| 05:03.44 | sharp- | the card is $1894 |
| 05:03.50 | lackita | there we go |
| 05:03.52 | sharp- | I could buy two of those and have redundant dial in. |
| 05:03.55 | lackita | that's an economical solution |
| 05:03.58 | bluestrain | buy them a router for the holidays |
| 05:04.01 | sharp- | and updated servers |
| 05:04.09 | sharp- | bluestrain new core coming next year |
| 05:04.26 | lackita | actually, I've got a router in my dorm room, but that's about 300 miles away |
| 05:04.33 | sharp- | thats gonna clean up the traffic of the cables too |
| 05:04.37 | sharp- | we wont need 8 external modems |
| 05:04.39 | bluestrain | hmmm, proximity issues |
| 05:04.42 | sharp- | i can plug the phone line directly intoi |
| 05:04.42 | lackita | yep |
| 05:04.46 | sharp- | really neat device |
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| 05:05.13 | lackita | alright, thx guys, I've gotta disconnect this computer to see if that will work |
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| 05:05.44 | fr33mind | sbk: ok I saw a lot of memory error. How to know wich dimm is bad? (I have 4 dimm) |
| 05:06.10 | doleyb | fr33mind: take one out, run test again, see if there's error. If so, take a different one out, etc. |
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| 05:06.34 | eeyore-- | i didn't know vancouver is in washington, according to AP :-p |
| 05:06.36 | fr33mind | doleyb, Of course... but there isn't a better way? |
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| 05:07.07 | mfrisch | is it possible to have two sound cards working?? |
| 05:07.15 | Guerin | !possib;e |
| 05:07.18 | Guerin | !possible |
| 05:07.18 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 05:07.48 | mfrisch | how do you get two sound cards to work?? |
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| 05:08.08 | eeyore-- | mfrisch: sure, alsa? |
| 05:08.14 | Guerin | mfrisch: put them both in your machine and make sure you have the modules loaded for them |
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| 05:08.32 | eeyore-- | mfrisch: are you asking how the application can tell which one is which? |
| 05:08.51 | Sess | quick question, what command can I use to see what debian sees my system as? |
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| 05:09.13 | Wyzard | Sess: "sees your system as" ? |
| 05:09.22 | mfrisch | OK. I know wich mixer is which. THANKS |
| 05:09.24 | Sess | I don't think debian sees both processors in my laptop |
| 05:09.45 | Sess | I just want to see what the kernel detects my system as |
| 05:09.46 | puff | Evening, I got an ssh warning, "The authenticity of host 'foo.com (xxx.xxx.xx.xxx)' can't be established. |
| 05:09.51 | Guerin | Sess: install a smp kernel? |
| 05:09.52 | eeyore-- | Sess: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:10.09 | nekostar | eh lets see if the kernel is done! |
| 05:10.12 | Guerin | puff: that's because The authenticity of host 'foo.com (xxx.xxx.xx.xxx)' can't be established. |
| 05:10.22 | puff | I happen to have an open ssh session to that host, and root on that box. so I checked /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_kyey.pub, it matches wht's in my .ssh/known_hosts |
| 05:10.30 | Sess | I vaguely remember a command I used to use in gentoo that would show all the system specs as read by the kernel, memory, hd, cpu(s) etc |
| 05:10.34 | Sess | no one knows what it is? |
| 05:10.40 | eeyore-- | puff: make sure forward/reverse resolution matches |
| 05:10.41 | Wyzard | Sess: A hyperthreaded or dual-core processor will show two entries in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:10.45 | puff | But the file modification date on /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub is an hour ago. is this normal? |
| 05:10.51 | miag | http://www.sans.org/top20/ |
| 05:10.55 | Wyzard | Sess: if and only if you're running an SMP kernel |
| 05:11.02 | eeyore-- | Sess: /proc/cpuinfo for your case, or "dmidecode" |
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| 05:11.55 | puff | eeyore--: You mean dig the hostname and see if the IP I get back matches? It does. |
| 05:12.17 | puff | Hm, I tried the scp command again and it didn't give me an warnings. |
| 05:12.24 | puff | I wonder if the rdns was temporarily out. |
| 05:12.43 | Sess | thanks |
| 05:12.48 | Sess | looks like its only seeing one cpu |
| 05:12.50 | Sess | cpu 0 |
| 05:12.58 | eeyore-- | puff: "... authenticity of ... can't be established" = forward/reverse dns don't match |
| 05:13.02 | Sess | I thought I had just compiled this kernel with smp support |
| 05:13.06 | Sess | back to menuconfig |
| 05:13.21 | Guerin | !think |
| 05:13.22 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 05:13.27 | eeyore-- | Sess: like it's been mentioned before, install smp kernel (and boot it) |
| 05:13.40 | Wyzard | Know, or do not know. There is no think. |
| 05:13.43 | Wyzard | :-P |
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| 05:13.57 | Guerin | !know |
| 05:13.57 | dpkg | i heard know is Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 05:14.03 | Guerin | !understand |
| 05:14.03 | dpkg | yes, guerin |
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| 05:14.42 | Sess | hmmmm, smp is built into the kernel I just booted |
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| 05:15.07 | Wyzard | Sess: Are you sure it's a hyperthreaded or dual-core processor? |
| 05:15.13 | Sess | anything special I need for a thinkpad x21 type 2662 with dual 1.12 PIII Ms? |
| 05:15.16 | doleyb | Anyone know if udev rules can emulate the behavior of /dev/input/mice, for non-mouse things (joysticks, etc) ? |
| 05:15.27 | dusk | what are some alternate window managers, minimalistic form/function/ |
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| 05:15.45 | deathdellic | blackbox |
| 05:15.56 | doleyb | dusk: ratpoison, twm (stay away), fvwm(|2|95) |
| 05:15.58 | Sess | wyzard: its a dual processor laptop, It shipped with win2k pro, which showed both processors |
| 05:16.04 | Wyzard | doleyb: udev just creates device nodes; it isn't a driver for anything |
| 05:16.08 | eeyore-- | Sess: how do you know your kernel (as opposed to what you compiled) is actually SMP capable? |
| 05:16.25 | Sess | I did make menuconfig and smp is selected |
| 05:16.33 | eeyore-- | Sess: "currently running kernel" is not always == "what you compiled" |
| 05:16.34 | Guerin | dual proc laptop? |
| 05:16.36 | Sess | I just built this kernel and installed it as my only build |
| 05:16.36 | Wyzard | and then properly installed and booted the new kernel? |
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| 05:16.49 | Guerin | do you have to carry a car battery around in the backpack for it? |
| 05:16.58 | Sess | is there another command to know? other than uname showes linux 2.6.9 smp |
| 05:17.00 | lackita | hey guys, that did the trick |
| 05:17.05 | eeyore-- | Guerin: pentium M with power management is pretty effective |
| 05:17.08 | lackita | thx for your help |
| 05:17.11 | doleyb | Wyzard: yes, but can i setup rules so that there will be a non-working device node always there, and then it becomes live when the hardware plugs in? |
| 05:17.21 | Guerin | eeyore--: yeah, but two is still only half as efficient as one |
| 05:17.29 | dusk | does enlightenment still suck? |
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| 05:17.37 | doleyb | Wyzard: say, as to mark individual nodes as behaving in a traditional static non-udev manner? |
| 05:17.39 | mfrisch | yes |
| 05:17.40 | nekostar | in the last part of building the kernel i get a " if [ -r System.map -a -x /sbin/depmod ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.6.14.2; fi " message before returning me to prompt... i was wondering wtf thats all about? |
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| 05:18.15 | Wyzard | doleyb: I don't think any driver exists which provides a mouse-like interface to a joystick |
| 05:18.36 | eeyore-- | nekostar: it's part of building the kernel, what specifically are you wondering about? |
| 05:18.36 | Wyzard | doleyb: udev can't create device nodes for a nonexistent driver |
| 05:18.39 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.43 | doleyb | Wyzard: no, the device-node behavior. The fact that mice is always there, regardless of you not having any mouse hardware. |
| 05:18.45 | nekostar | eeyore-, first great nick man |
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| 05:19.11 | nekostar | but yeah that showed at the end of that last step: make modules_install so i was kinda like errrr |
| 05:19.16 | dusk | http://xwinman.org/screenshots/enl-anakin.jpg |
| 05:19.17 | nekostar | b/c im a total n00b :D |
| 05:19.22 | Wyzard | doleyb: That's specifically because the kernel provides a driver which aggregates events from all mice on the input system |
| 05:19.23 | dusk | come on!!! e rocks!!! look at that! |
| 05:19.40 | Wyzard | doleyb: Unless a similar aggregator driver exists for joysticks, you can't do it |
| 05:19.49 | eeyore-- | nekostar: it's just making the symbolic map file for kernel. useful if you want to know what part of the kernel a particular piece of code is in. not useful if you dont want to debug, etc. |
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| 05:20.40 | Wyzard | dusk: That looks nice in a screenshot, but I wouldn't want to actually use that theme for day-to-day work |
| 05:20.41 | nekostar | oicic |
| 05:20.43 | eeyore-- | nekostar: copy the System.map file and the kernel image (arch/i386/boot/bzImage) to the proper resting place, rename them as necessary, and make sure your bootloader can boot them. that's all you need to do. if this makes no sense to you, stick with debian pre-made kernels |
| 05:20.48 | doleyb | Wyzard: i don't care so much about the aggregation, just the omnipresent device. /dev/input/mice is there so that X can run even if your mouse isn't plugged in yet, and so that it can still work if you temporarily unplug it. |
| 05:20.52 | dusk | wyzard: im just kidding, that is awful |
| 05:21.05 | nekostar | proper resting place eh |
| 05:21.12 | dusk | i want to make an ultra minimalistic window manager.. where could I start? |
| 05:21.19 | Wyzard | doleyb: Then write a kernel driver for it |
| 05:21.21 | nekostar | seems i should have gone the other way then.. |
| 05:21.21 | dusk | something that looks nice tho ;p |
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| 05:21.30 | eeyore-- | nekostar: /boot or somewhere else, up to you |
| 05:21.39 | Wyzard | doleyb: It's not like you need a joystick connected to be able to start X... |
| 05:21.41 | nekostar | oic |
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| 05:21.49 | puff | eeyore--: Well, dig shows the IP of foo.com matches the IP that scp gave me the warning about. |
| 05:21.49 | madradrone | can someone look at this page on a crt monitor and tell me what the image says? http://www.idesir.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13042&highlight=Balkar+Sidhu |
| 05:21.49 | doleyb | Wyzard: well, it is like that. |
| 05:22.02 | eeyore-- | nekostar: since i use grub, i put my kernel/system.map in /boot, /boot/config-<version>, /boot/System.map-<version> and /boot/kernel-<version> |
| 05:22.12 | eeyore-- | puff: could be temporary |
| 05:22.14 | nekostar | yeah i use grub too to good effect |
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| 05:22.32 | nekostar | ok so i can put them both in /boot then eh |
| 05:22.48 | puff | Okay... bu what would update the timestamp on /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub? |
| 05:22.50 | nekostar | do i need to cp filenames /boot as root? |
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| 05:22.52 | doleyb | Wyzard: mouse isn't the only concievable input. X can read the evdev module, which could be any kind of USB input. |
| 05:22.57 | nekostar | or can i toss in as normal user |
| 05:23.09 | nekostar | and do i need to make sure they are executable or anything fancy? |
| 05:23.17 | doleyb | But apparently, it can only read non-mouse USB devices if they are non-unpluggable. |
| 05:23.36 | Wyzard | doleyb: Non-unpluggable, or unpluggable but currently plugged in? |
| 05:24.05 | den^_^ | den^_^ |
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| 05:24.27 | doleyb | Wyzard: well, it breaks if you unplug- I shouldn't need to restart X just to move a USB device around. So either "non-unpluggable", or "users accept breakage", whatever. |
| 05:24.32 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 05:25.25 | Wyzard | doleyb: And the evdev driver itself doesn't provide any sort of event-aggregation capability? |
| 05:25.26 | Whistleboy | how does one convert to ext3? |
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| 05:25.29 | doleyb | Wyzard: the thing is, /dev/input/mice is a very specific solution to a general problem. They solved it only for mice, not for everything else. |
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| 05:25.42 | Wyzard | doleyb: I know, I understand |
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| 05:26.09 | doleyb | Wyzard: I don't card about aggregation ATM, just the device being present before the hardware. Which is how non-udev systems are. |
| 05:26.10 | eeyore-- | doleyb: X wasn't really designed with hotplug in mind ... |
| 05:26.16 | streuner | Whistleboy: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 ? |
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| 05:26.35 | eeyore-- | doleyb: when X came onto the scene, all you had were workstations ... you generally don't unplug keyboard/mouse from Sun while it's running |
| 05:26.43 | eeyore-- | doleyb: unless you want to be dropped to PROM |
| 05:26.47 | Whistleboy | ah, ok thanks. |
| 05:27.11 | Wyzard | doleyb: My understanding is that evdev is a newer, higher-level interface which covers the functionality of mousedev plus other devices... so it seems like the best solution would be to port the mousedev aggregator driver to evdev |
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| 05:27.45 | Whistleboy | I also want to do some sort of reliability improvement by adding another hard drive. I have a RAID enabled motherboard, but was leaning to a soft RAID solution. Is lvm the thing to look at? |
| 05:27.56 | doleyb | eeyore-: well you're right, this problem could be fixed either in kernel mods or X (if X could recieve a signal from hotplug to close and re-open all input devices)... idk which dev team is more likely to try it first. |
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| 05:28.26 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: LVM is for flexible partitioning... it has nothing to do with adding redundancy to guard against drive failure |
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| 05:28.39 | skrewler | is there anyway to make this jigdo image bootable? |
| 05:28.40 | doleyb | Wyzard: yes, although the aggreator aspect of it would be much harder to port... unless you know basically how the hardware works, can't combine the inputs meaningfully. |
| 05:28.41 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: You want to look into Linux's software RAID support |
| 05:28.42 | eeyore-- | doleyb: it's not a real problem, though ... |
| 05:28.59 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: is it still wise to consider soft RAID over hard? |
| 05:29.22 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: performance or ease of administration? |
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| 05:29.37 | doleyb | Wyzard: but the "placeholder" aspect could be addressed separately... ensuring that device nodes can be created which give zero values until the real hardware appears. |
| 05:29.41 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: My main goal is to protect some files (photos, etc.) from a hard disk crash. It is a personal machine, so performance is not as important |
| 05:29.43 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: I haven't studied the issue extensively myself, but my understanding is that unless you get a really high-end expensive RAID card, "hardware RAID" doesn't really gain you any performance |
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| 05:29.56 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: makes sense |
| 05:30.22 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: so nothing Debian specific to set up, just read up on Linux soft RAID? |
| 05:30.29 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: However, with "hardware RAID", if your card dies and you want to replace it, you have to worry about whether the new one uses the same on-disk format as the old one, or it won't be able to access the existing contents of your disks |
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| 05:30.40 | puff | Wyzard: I've heard that - basically the story goes that most "hardware RAID" cards are raelly just software RAID. Whatever that means. |
| 05:30.44 | doleyb | eeyore-: why isn't it a problem? I can't use my hardware today. Its sad for linux to be less flexible than windowsxp. |
| 05:30.45 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: software raid |
| 05:30.58 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: With Linux software RAID, the on-disk format is the same regardless of what underlying hardware you use |
| 05:31.07 | eeyore-- | doleyb: why can't you use your hardware today? leave the mouse plugged in before you start X :-) |
| 05:31.42 | Whistleboy | I assume ext3 and software RAID can be used together? |
| 05:31.50 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: of course |
| 05:32.09 | Whistleboy | any reason to do one before the other? |
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| 05:32.17 | doleyb | eeyore-: there is a reason /dev/input/mice was made- because it's inconvenient to need to do that. And, the more exotic a peripheral is, the more likely it won't be kept plugged in all the time. |
| 05:32.21 | eeyore-- | Wyzard: i still think CPU development is going to outstrip whatever is going to be put on RAID controller ... |
| 05:32.30 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: You create a filesystem on your RAID device just like you'd create it on an ordinary disk partition |
| 05:32.34 | doleyb | eeyore-: (in terms of using up desk space / USB bandwidth, etc) |
| 05:32.59 | eeyore-- | Wyzard: the real advantage of hardware raid is bios/boot time management and hot-swap cages (if you use one) |
| 05:33.09 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: Or, even better, use LVM on top of your RAID device so you can flexibly subdivide it into smaller devices, and put filesystems on those |
| 05:33.39 | Wyzard | eeyore-: You can do hot-swap with software RAID too, AFAIK |
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| 05:33.59 | skrewler | help how can i make my jigdo linux iso bootable? |
| 05:34.15 | Whistleboy | do I need to start with clean disks to make a RAID and then put stuff on it? Or can I make a RAID out of an existing disk? |
| 05:34.29 | paroneayea | very bizarre question... after installing gnome (and letting it override some of my config files) my wireless card stopped showing up as eth1 |
| 05:34.29 | sabin | skrewler, if the iso was bootable and you burned it, it should boot |
| 05:34.32 | paroneayea | anyone know why? |
| 05:34.33 | Wyzard | skrewler: Presumably you're creating the iso with mkisofs... read the section on "El Torito" in the mkisofs documentation |
| 05:34.33 | eeyore-- | Wyzard: not with IDE :-) |
| 05:34.46 | skrewler | no, i'm using jigdo. |
| 05:34.58 | sabin | skrewler, oh ok, my bad |
| 05:35.02 | eeyore-- | Wyzard: baring any IDE electrical subsystem issue, you still have the IDE layer that doesn't like hotswapping ... |
| 05:35.31 | Wyzard | skrewler: So you're using jigdo to download an iso someone else made, not authoring a new one |
| 05:35.37 | sabin | skrewler, i didn't translate what jigdo meant right away, unfortunately i cannot help you, surely there is a document on debian.org about that |
| 05:35.43 | doleyb | i wonder where i file feature requests for xorg. |
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| 05:35.45 | skrewler | Wyzard: right |
| 05:35.52 | skrewler | the FAQ doesn't mention anything about being bootable. |
| 05:36.00 | skrewler | but other places says it should be bootable. |
| 05:36.05 | Wyzard | skrewler: In that case, it's bootable if and only if the original creator of the iso made it so... the fact that you're downloading it with jigdo is irrelevant |
| 05:36.16 | Wyzard | eeyore-: SATA is hotpluggable |
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| 05:36.28 | skrewler | Wyzard: jigdo makes the iso on the fly, iirc. |
| 05:36.44 | eeyore-- | skrewler: "jigsaw download", downloads in pieces |
| 05:36.45 | paroneayea | for that matter |
| 05:36.51 | Wyzard | skrewler: It reconstructs it from separately-downloaded pieces |
| 05:37.00 | eeyore-- | skrewler: does not "make iso on the fly" |
| 05:37.05 | dusk | you guys reccomend fluxbox, or something else? |
| 05:37.06 | paroneayea | does anyone know why eth1 would have disappeared entirely? why it doesn't even show up under ifconfig? |
| 05:37.10 | Wyzard | skrewler: It's not creating anything new, just reconstructing a byte-for-byte identical copy of a file that someone else authored |
| 05:37.30 | Whistleboy | do I need to have the space for RAID in addition to the drive I want to turn into a RAID? In other words, can I convert an existing partition to be a part of a RAID? Or do I create a RAID and copy to it? |
| 05:37.31 | sabin | paroneayea, someone or some program ran ifdown on it |
| 05:37.34 | deathdellic | dusk try em all out |
| 05:37.41 | dusk | heh |
| 05:37.41 | sabin | paroneayea, msg me, i will help |
| 05:37.49 | deathdellic | i like fluxbox |
| 05:37.56 | deathdellic | try that |
| 05:38.02 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: You can't "convert an existing drive" -- you have to create the array separately, and then copy the data onto it |
| 05:38.07 | dusk | deathdellic: how can I easily switch around, through the xdm? |
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| 05:38.19 | deathdellic | when u login |
| 05:38.36 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: If the drive currently holding the data is one that you want to become part of the array, you can create the array in "degraded mode", with a disk missing -- the same way it would behave if one of the drives had failed |
| 05:38.55 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: It's usable in that state, so you can copy the data from the lone drive onto the array |
| 05:39.00 | trollboy | anyone know any managed dedicated server co's that are still open? |
| 05:39.10 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: and then add the lone drive to the array and let it sync, and it's no longer degraded |
| 05:39.15 | trollboy | Rackspace won't do debian |
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| 05:39.31 | eeyore-- | trollboy: sitegenie.com |
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| 05:39.50 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: any reason why I would not want to do the degraded method vs. investing in another drive and starting fresh? |
| 05:39.57 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: other than the cost? |
| 05:40.35 | k-man__ | how does binkimap compare with courier imap? |
| 05:40.40 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: cooldrives.com, go buy a raid0/raid1 external box and be happy :-) |
| 05:40.48 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: Cost and convenience, mainly. |
| 05:41.02 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: save yourself some headache, unless you really want to learn ... |
| 05:41.33 | k-man__ | sorry, i meant bincimap vs courier imap |
| 05:41.36 | deadcat | is the word lets or let's ? |
| 05:41.59 | litage | in /etc/crontab, PATH contains /sbin and /usr/sbin, but when a cron entry runs, it can't find ldconfig or update-rc.d . how can i fix this? |
| 05:42.10 | eeyore-- | deadcat: both are valid |
| 05:42.26 | eeyore-- | deadcat: let's = "let us" |
| 05:42.27 | Whistleboy | eeyore- I don't mind the learning so long as there is a payoff |
| 05:42.28 | Wyzard | but they mean different things |
| 05:42.30 | deadcat | eeyore--: i want to say "lets just say" |
| 05:42.39 | eeyore-- | deadcat: "let us just say" |
| 05:42.53 | deadcat | eeyore--: ah. |
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| 05:43.20 | bucky | isn't lets a keyword? |
| 05:43.24 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: one sec |
| 05:43.43 | findme | what is wrong with "let's just say" |
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| 05:44.00 | Wyzard | findme: Nothing's wrong with it |
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| 05:44.12 | findme | ok |
| 05:44.18 | Wyzard | findme: It's "lets just say" (no apostrophe) which is incorrect |
| 05:44.32 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: http://www.cooldrives.com/qudrmifi80dr.html |
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| 05:44.51 | findme | Wyzard, ok |
| 05:45.28 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: or, http://www.cooldrives.com/dudralenfors.html |
| 05:46.03 | Whistleboy | eeyore--: interesting |
| 05:46.40 | eeyore-- | Whistleboy: i'd have to say, if you want raid/hotswap, you want firewire or e-sata |
| 05:47.56 | Whistleboy | eeyore--: I am not particuarly into howswap. I want to be able to survive a hard drive crash. I know I could do it with a second hard drive and something like rsyn and a cron job, but it seems reasonable to consider RAID |
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| 05:48.11 | Whistleboy | rsync |
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| 05:48.29 | mtnman | whistleboy: have you read the raid howto at tldp.org? |
| 05:49.15 | Whistleboy | mtnman: It has been long enough I should re-read it. |
| 05:49.29 | Whistleboy | thanks to everyone for the help |
| 05:49.37 | mtnman | whistleboy: seems some of your questions could find answers there... |
| 05:49.55 | Whistleboy | mtnman: sometimes you need a nudge between multiple howtos |
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| 05:50.47 | dusk | exit |
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| 05:54.39 | eeyore-- | bbl |
| 05:54.44 | quidire | can anyone help me diagnose a procmail recipe? |
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| 05:55.47 | quidire | http://textsnippets.com/posts/show/265 |
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| 06:00.01 | caphuso | quidire: uhm, can't you simply use ":0\n! user@domain.tld"? |
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| 06:00.40 | blunted | hey how do i fix my resoultion |
| 06:01.07 | blunted | it wont let me go past 640x480 |
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| 06:01.33 | quidire | caphuso: I need the message rewritten such that it is "to" the address I bounce it to |
| 06:01.34 | bleaked | blunted: xorg or xfree |
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| 06:02.00 | blunted | im not sure :\ |
| 06:02.28 | bleaked | blunted: what is installed, sarge, etch/testing, sid/unstable? |
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| 06:02.38 | blunted | sarge |
| 06:02.59 | bleaked | blunted: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:03.12 | bleaked | carefully follow the prompts. |
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| 06:03.51 | blunted | it didnt work |
| 06:04.10 | bleaked | blunted: as root, if i'm not mistaken. |
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| 06:04.46 | blunted | bash: run: command not found |
| 06:04.56 | caphuso | quidire: well, then at least try to get the parens right |
| 06:05.09 | blunted | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 06:05.27 | Guerin | blunted: then you're not running debian |
| 06:05.35 | caphuso | quidire: you probably want to have another good look at the procmailex man page |
| 06:05.35 | blunted | i swear to god |
| 06:05.47 | bleaked | blunted: as root, right? |
| 06:05.47 | quidire | caphuso: sorry, I removed the tail parens in teh "real" copy |
| 06:05.48 | Guerin | blunted: i hear it's unwise to swear at god |
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| 06:06.15 | Vivaldi | what's the difference between /dev/audio and /dev/dsp? |
| 06:06.34 | bleaked | blunted: ? |
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| 06:08.07 | blunted | what the fuck is my video cards bus identifier |
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| 06:08.57 | stephans | ? |
| 06:09.08 | deadcat | !confuse blunted |
| 06:09.08 | litage | bluestrain: ``lspci'' might tell you. not sure |
| 06:09.11 | dpkg | Yes, how is your pants tomorrow, blunted? wellies of the republic of micronesia with extra cream |
| 06:09.24 | bleaked | blunted: like i said..read the prompts. you're not running a mac..leave it at nothing. |
| 06:09.39 | bleaked | it says it very clear, on the last paragraph of the prompt. |
| 06:09.43 | deadcat | bleaked: hahaha |
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| 06:10.49 | zOOz | is it possible and how? (iproute2 - tc and htb) -> http://barakas.servebeer.com/stuff/tc_htb.txt |
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| 06:11.00 | bleaked | deadcat: meh..i'm sick of this channel being full of jerks. so i choose to have patience tonight.. |
| 06:11.05 | litage | which is more correct in bash?: (( 1 < 2 & 2 < 1 )) or (( 1 < 2 && 2 < 1 )) |
| 06:11.09 | bleaked | hopefully i wont be kicked. :p |
| 06:11.52 | caphuso | litage: they're both correct |
| 06:12.18 | sabin | caphuso, so & == && in bash? |
| 06:12.25 | sabin | i'm amazed everyday |
| 06:12.30 | caphuso | sabin: no, & is bitwise and && is logical and |
| 06:12.39 | sabin | caphuso, that's more like it |
| 06:12.47 | caphuso | but still, both are correct |
| 06:12.51 | sabin | true |
| 06:13.02 | sabin | sorry my bad i got confused... lack of sleep |
| 06:13.14 | bleaked | deadcat: this was the first time i saw the !confuse option..pretty funny..heh heh. |
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| 06:13.23 | JayRCz | If I star my computer with my usb webcam installed, the usb mic. gets assigned to /dev/dsp and the system sound doesn't work. can someone point me in the right direction to make it get assigned to /dev/dsp1 so the system sound can have /dev/dsp? |
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| 06:14.06 | quidire | caphuso: well, off I go |
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| 06:14.31 | rage | !java |
| 06:14.31 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:14.51 | sabin | JayRCz, just create a link of /dev/dsp as /dev/dsp1 if it's dsp1 u need |
| 06:15.13 | bleaked | sabin: i think he wants /dev/dsp free though. |
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| 06:15.35 | sabin | bleaked, good point... |
| 06:15.50 | JayRCz | well, I actually want both. I want my onboard sound to use /dev/dsp and I want my usb mic. to use /dev/dsp1 |
| 06:15.59 | bleaked | JayRCz: i would help you, but i have no idea on this one. |
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| 06:16.07 | liable | JayRCz: as a module paramater maye. |
| 06:16.15 | sabin | hmmm liable has a point |
| 06:16.32 | sabin | maybe this has something to do with some udev config (i'm probably WAAAY off) |
| 06:16.52 | bleaked | lo |
| 06:16.59 | JayRCz | I think there's some editing to do in /etc/modutils, but I'm not sure where |
| 06:17.02 | rss | hi, I was told that I can stop the monitor turning blank afer being idle through xset dpms, but how to do it? which flag is for blanking? suspend or standby? |
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| 06:23.31 | doleyb | JayRCz: remove OSS, install alsa, and then add "index=0" , "index=1" module parameters in your settings to specify which device is which. |
| 06:23.45 | statickaos | when i do apt-get upgrade it lists some packages that are held back. how could i make it upgrade those also? |
| 06:24.04 | doleyb | JayRCz: (as per the std alsa instructions for multiple audio hardware) (that's probably a lot more work than you want!) |
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| 06:24.50 | madradrone | is the performace of dedicated game consoles better than PC's with high-end CPU's and GPU's? |
| 06:25.20 | ke6isf | madradrone: Mu. |
| 06:25.22 | rss | If I don't want my screen to blank out, what do I have to change? standby ? |
| 06:25.34 | doleyb | madradrone: it's only better if you forget that PC monitors are at 2x the resolution. |
| 06:25.54 | JayRCz | ok, I have alsa installed so let me try adding index=0 and index=1 when loading modules. thanks for the advice |
| 06:26.23 | doleyb | JayRCz: in the alsa help wikis and around, you can get instructions on how to set the order for multiple devices. |
| 06:26.34 | madradrone | only 2X? i thought they were many times higher |
| 06:26.49 | JayRCz | ok, thanks |
| 06:27.09 | doleyb | madradrone: well, the xbox360 can do HDTV, which is around half what a nice geforce6900 does. |
| 06:27.22 | rss | Can I turn dpms off, so that blanking stops? |
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| 06:27.47 | bluebird | Is there a way to redirect STDOUT to a file, but still have it output to STDOUT? I'd like to log a script's output, but also display it in the term it's running in. |
| 06:28.25 | stew | bluebird: man tee |
| 06:28.27 | omry | bluebird, echo blah | tee file |
| 06:28.28 | madradrone | doleyb: i see. i wonder what glxgears would be for an xbox360... |
| 06:28.31 | doleyb | madradrone: but, 0% of consoles are slower than what the developer tested with, while 75% of PCs are probably too slow for a new hot game. |
| 06:28.33 | bluebird | thank you stex, omry |
| 06:29.10 | bluebird | I asked in #ubuntu (by accident, thought I was here) and all I got was "yes" |
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| 06:29.57 | rss | does doing xset s off, stop my CRT monitor from blanking out? |
| 06:30.08 | rss | DPMS is enabled |
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| 06:30.22 | madradrone | bluebird: command 2>&1 | tee output.txt |
| 06:30.35 | madradrone | that will capture stdout and stderr |
| 06:31.00 | doleyb | bluebird: or if you run csh/tcsh, "command |& tee output.txt" |
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| 06:31.34 | rss | something in monitor has gone wrong... it starts blurred and gets clear and sharp after one hour |
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| 06:31.39 | bluebird | thanks madradrone, doleyb |
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| 06:31.51 | rss | so if it goes blank, it again blurs |
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| 06:32.09 | rss | i need to stop that |
| 06:32.19 | madradrone | rss: man xset |
| 06:32.30 | rss | madradrone: done that |
| 06:32.45 | doleyb | rss: well, "xset s off" turns off one mechanism for screen-blanking, but if you have powermanagement or an odd desktop environ, there might be a different process which blanks. |
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| 06:32.50 | madradrone | set -dpms; set s noblank |
| 06:32.52 | rss | madradrone: so I asked here that doing xset s off |
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| 06:33.01 | madradrone | s/set/xset/ |
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| 06:33.47 | rss | madradrone: can I put it into XSession? |
| 06:34.09 | madradrone | rss: but don't burn your crt - shut the power off if you leave it for a long time, or use xlock or something |
| 06:34.22 | madradrone | rss: ~/.xsession |
| 06:34.27 | rss | madradrone: I am using xscreensaver |
| 06:34.59 | madradrone | rss: that's fine, as long as the image doesn't remain static for hour upon hour |
| 06:35.08 | doleyb | rss: well, if you "xset s off", then you're not using xscreensaver anymore |
| 06:35.24 | rss | doleyb: oh |
| 06:35.32 | madradrone | one of my coworkers has a permanent ghost of the winnt logon window on his monitor. makes me want to cry |
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| 06:36.21 | madradrone | not only does it waste a lot of electricty his monitor is fried |
| 06:36.29 | litage | are there min and max values for exit codes? |
| 06:36.51 | rss | madradrone: I doing this only to because some transformer(some LOT) has gone pfft! and monitor is unable to display clearly from the start, it takes time to warm up. |
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| 06:37.54 | madradrone | rss: i use "xlock -mode blank" which is plain but works. |
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| 06:38.14 | rss | madradrone: what does it do? |
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| 06:38.33 | rss | madradrone: lock instead of blanking? |
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| 06:40.30 | madradrone | rss: yeah just locks with a blank screensaver. in the past i've had some screensavers cause X to crash... |
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| 06:40.58 | rss | madradrone: monitor still blanks out, doesn't it? |
| 06:41.11 | bleaked | is there a way to have numlock enabled on boot (it's enabled in the bios) |
| 06:41.49 | famc21 | haha |
| 06:41.56 | phyberoptix | erm |
| 06:42.10 | madradrone | rss: i don't think a blank screen and screen blanking are the same, but am not 100% sure |
| 06:42.24 | phyberoptix | have you checked your cmos? |
| 06:42.36 | madradrone | rss: according to man page it "shows nothing but a blank screen" |
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| 06:43.10 | rss | madradrone: I mean the hardware blanking, I don't mind a blank screen |
| 06:43.20 | madradrone | rss: problem is, i usually use than and have dpms on at the same time |
| 06:43.24 | rss | madradrone: the powersaving feature |
| 06:43.51 | rss | madradrone: ok, i will have that |
| 06:43.59 | madradrone | rss: i think it is just a blank screensaver, i.e. no whizzy artwork |
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| 06:46.04 | rss | madradrone, doleyb: Thank you! |
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| 06:49.55 | sophacles | how do i have .xsession manually place windows it starts? |
| 06:50.15 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: use the -geometry option |
| 06:50.17 | caphuso | sophacles: -geometry command line option |
| 06:50.30 | SimonRaven | xtrerm and some others can take options for position |
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| 06:50.34 | dondelelcaro | (or set *geometry in your .Xresources) |
| 06:50.54 | sophacles | thanks |
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| 06:51.38 | ajkroll | Quick question, perhaps this has been answered before... python-kde3... there's nothing for it in the stable dist... do I just grab the tarball and build it on my own, or is there a known repository containing a pre-build deb? |
| 06:52.09 | SimonRaven | there's python-qt3, if that's what you want |
| 06:52.14 | SimonRaven | i think |
| 06:52.22 | ajkroll | nope, it's for python |
| 06:52.24 | SimonRaven | !+info python-qt3 |
| 06:52.26 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:52.37 | dpkg | python-qt3: (Qt3 bindings for Python (default version)), section python, is optional. Version: 3.15-4 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 06:52.43 | caphuso | ajkroll: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:52.50 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 06:52.55 | caphuso | SimonRaven: qt != kde |
| 06:52.59 | ajkroll | http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/ |
| 06:53.03 | bluebird | I tried using tee to redirect output to both a file and STDOUT, and it works, but there's one problem. I'm using Duplicity, and while it's running a backup, it uses a terminal mode (I don't know the correct terms for it) that doesn't just write a line to the screen, it keeps updating that line as it downloads and uploads a file. So tee doesn't write it to a file (makes sense), or send it to STDOUT (annoying). Is there any ot |
| 06:53.03 | bluebird | her solution that you know of? |
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| 06:53.30 | ajkroll | not qt bindings, kde bindings |
| 06:53.44 | SimonRaven | ok, same place as the python-qt3 |
| 06:54.04 | ajkroll | so the two packages are one-in-the-same? |
| 06:54.17 | caphuso | ajkroll: no |
| 06:54.20 | valdyn_ | bluebird: not really, unless that program has a loggable mode |
| 06:54.24 | ajkroll | didn't think so |
| 06:54.26 | rage | Does anyone know where I can get started with setting up unusual keys in X? the keys produce the usual setkeycodes error in dmesg |
| 06:54.27 | bluebird | ok, thanks, valdyn_ |
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| 06:54.56 | ajkroll | so basically, build the tarball and be done, correct? |
| 06:55.11 | SimonRaven | ajkroll: no, just same web site :) |
| 06:55.13 | jm_ | rage: start with 2.6 input faq, then learn about using these keys in X (i.e. things like hotkeys or lineakd) |
| 06:55.42 | ajkroll | simon: I'm confused... you mean to say that riverbank has a deb package? |
| 06:55.54 | SimonRaven | no, they don't |
| 06:55.55 | sparr | another few years theres gonna be a tool to create an autogen.sh script. this stacking of build processes i bordering on the ridiculous. |
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| 06:56.06 | rage | jm_: thanks :-) |
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| 06:56.23 | ajkroll | simon: so then I build the tarball :-) |
| 06:56.23 | sparr | make wasnt good enough, so we got configure to build makefiles. configure wasnt good enough to we got autogen to build configure scripts. |
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| 06:56.33 | quest_ | hi, i was trying to run something and i had Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified, what can i do ? |
| 06:56.49 | valdyn_ | sparr: feel free to write nonportable linux 2.6 only apps to avoid this ;) |
| 06:57.34 | sparr | valdyn_: ive got plenty of apps that compile on 3 platforms with just gcc. dozens that just need a makefile. and thousands that just need configure. |
| 06:58.18 | valdyn_ | sparr: that 'configure' is generated too, most likely, just not by you |
| 06:58.34 | sparr | valdyn_: right, so thats completely different |
| 06:58.40 | sparr | doesnt matter whats on the developer's box |
| 06:59.14 | sparr | and, while im ranting... :) is there any tool to automatically install packages for missing libraries/headers during "normal" build processes? |
| 06:59.17 | ajkroll | quest: you need to be doing the operation from within an xterm in X |
| 06:59.22 | Guerin | sparr: yes |
| 06:59.38 | Guerin | sparr: auto-apt |
| 07:00.21 | kevix | sparr, have you considered joining the debian mentor mailing list? |
| 07:00.22 | ajkroll | quest: by default, debian has socket connections to the X server disabled for security reasons |
| 07:00.25 | SimonRaven | sparr: auto-apt |
| 07:00.36 | SimonRaven | auto-apt r0x |
| 07:00.38 | eeyore- | sparr: what's wrong with auto-tools? (avoid the obvious corner-cases limitations) |
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| 07:00.47 | Guerin | quest_: don't try to run x apps as root |
| 07:00.48 | sparr | eeyore-: for which problem? |
| 07:00.52 | hefty | my AT sign and the pipeline is not working any longer with x.org, although I do hve keyboard as pc105 configured. any suggestions? |
| 07:00.59 | ajkroll | Guerin: that too :-) |
| 07:01.00 | valdyn_ | eeyore-: he wants the devs to have run them already |
| 07:01.06 | Guerin | quest_: it's stupid, and 90% of the time it's unnecessary |
| 07:01.33 | quest_ | Guerin, ok, it worked now, thank |
| 07:01.44 | ajkroll | quest: if you absolutly need to run an app as root that requires X, do an 'su -' or use sudo |
| 07:01.59 | dondelelcaro | hefty: see what xev returns for your | and @; and then check xmodmap to make sure they matchup. |
| 07:02.09 | dondelelcaro | no need to su -; just su. |
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| 07:02.26 | valdyn_ | !sux |
| 07:02.26 | ajkroll | dondelelcaro: depends if you want root's paths.... |
| 07:02.26 | dpkg | hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 07:02.28 | dondelelcaro | indeed, only the latter will enable you to use X, because it won't change XAUTHORITY |
| 07:02.42 | eeyore- | gksu? |
| 07:02.47 | ajkroll | yea there is that too |
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| 07:03.04 | hefty | dondelelcaro: I'll try, thanks |
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| 07:03.19 | ajkroll | so hmmm |
| 07:03.31 | bleaked | is there a reason mplayer is not in the deb reps? |
| 07:03.32 | ajkroll | guess I'll lynx off that tarball, and try and build it |
| 07:03.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell bleaked -about mplayer legal saga |
| 07:03.46 | Guerin | bleaked: yes. |
| 07:04.11 | kevix | bleaked, it is not dfsg-free. |
| 07:04.17 | BackDoor | how do you boot a mac laptop with a debian CD (stable)? |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin | kevix: it's not that, strictly |
| 07:04.29 | dondelelcaro | kevix: it's worse. It's likely not even distributable at all. |
| 07:04.32 | Guerin | kevix: it's that the code's provenance is unknown |
| 07:04.47 | Guerin | bleaked: insert cd, reboot |
| 07:04.54 | Guerin | BackDoor: ^ |
| 07:04.55 | valdyn_ | mplayer is probably just 'non-us' |
| 07:04.56 | bleaked | ack..it works so well though.. |
| 07:05.04 | BackDoor | yeah, didn't work. |
| 07:05.08 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: holding down 'c' may be required. |
| 07:05.11 | Guerin | valdyn_: not necessarily ... it isn't just patent issues. |
| 07:05.26 | sparr | kevix: the what? |
| 07:05.37 | BackDoor | holding c didn't work either. |
| 07:05.39 | Guerin | bleaked: there are unofficial packages for it, and you can build the source yourself. |
| 07:05.42 | bleaked | Guerin: so should i follow this mplayer guide to install it, or is there a quality alternative? |
| 07:05.48 | BackDoor | any other ideas? |
| 07:05.51 | Guerin | !tell bleaked about marillat |
| 07:05.53 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: and holding down 'c' and 'd' didn't either? What macintosh is this? |
| 07:06.10 | BackDoor | powerbook G4 |
| 07:06.18 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: the titanium? |
| 07:06.24 | BackDoor | yeah |
| 07:06.31 | BackDoor | hold d AND c |
| 07:06.41 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: I know for a fact that holding down 'c' works... |
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| 07:06.54 | SimonRaven | valdyn_: non-us what? ;) |
| 07:07.00 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: if it's not, you've either got something strange in your OF or something else wierd is going on. Clear the pram, and try agian. |
| 07:07.02 | eeyore- | oh my gosh, that brings me back to my hideous mac boot contortions |
| 07:07.25 | Guerin | make sure you spiffle whe whatsits, too |
| 07:07.27 | kevix | sparr, its an unoffical mailing list/web site for people who want to learn about building .debs and related debian things |
| 07:07.31 | eeyore- | i vaguely remember having to press the power button with my nose because my fingers are used up holding some keys down |
| 07:07.34 | BackDoor | what do you mean by "pram"? |
| 07:07.36 | Guerin | i hear that can work wonders on jobware |
| 07:07.46 | valdyn_ | SimonRaven: part of mplayers redistribution issues affect just the US, i havent read up on the rest... |
| 07:07.52 | dondelelcaro | OF predates jobs, actually... |
| 07:07.59 | A3K | still trying to figure out how to install limewire |
| 07:08.15 | Guerin | A3K: don't bother. Use gnutella-gtk instead |
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| 07:08.19 | SimonRaven | OF has scanned the hardware even before the boing |
| 07:08.30 | kevix | Guerin, are there folks working on replacing the 'unknow' bits with dfsg bits? |
| 07:08.41 | BackDoor | should i try holding C and D at the same time? |
| 07:08.46 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: yes. |
| 07:08.49 | Guerin | kevix: it's not even clear how much of it is untouchable |
| 07:08.53 | BackDoor | thanks |
| 07:08.56 | eeyore- | yeah, i think it was control-option p r a m <power button> sequence that was hideous, i think |
| 07:08.57 | BackDoor | i'll try that |
| 07:09.08 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: it's just ctrl-option-pr |
| 07:09.11 | Guerin | kevix: hence why people are devoting their time to projects like xine and vlc and gstreamer instead |
| 07:09.20 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: takes 4 fingers... |
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| 07:09.22 | SimonRaven | ^-opt-p-r |
| 07:09.33 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: and the power button? :-) |
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| 07:09.42 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: that's where my nose came in |
| 07:10.00 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: ctrl+opt is one finger, r is the second, p is the third, and the power you do with the forth... |
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| 07:10.29 | kevix | Guerin, hmm. good to know. |
| 07:10.35 | sparr | kevix: the help here seems far better than anything i would expect from a mailing list |
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| 07:10.59 | agostino | install |
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| 07:11.20 | Guerin | agostino: please enter volume to install on: [C:] |
| 07:11.28 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 07:11.49 | kevix | dondelelcaro, I read a loooong time ago, that its good to allow 3 cycles(or tones) to occurs for pram zapping. |
| 07:12.14 | dondelelcaro | kevix: yes... that's typical. |
| 07:12.18 | eeyore- | hmph, 11pm and baby still wide awake :-p |
| 07:12.26 | quest_ | in some windows i have suqres instead of characters, what can I do ? |
| 07:12.33 | eeyore- | i guess he's IRC'ing with you guys now :-) |
| 07:12.33 | A3K | something has a hold of my administration directory... |
| 07:12.41 | quest_ | in some windows i have squares instead of characters, what can I do ? |
| 07:12.43 | Guerin | quest_: find out what character set they are and change yours to match |
| 07:12.46 | dondelelcaro | kevix: it usually takes that long to accertain that you really have been resetting the pram |
| 07:12.58 | quest_ | Guerin, how do i find out? |
| 07:13.11 | SimonRaven | yeh. a "just in case" thing |
| 07:13.22 | eeyore- | dondek: what, you mean it does not work first try? |
| 07:13.27 | Guerin | quest_: what charset are you using now? |
| 07:13.29 | kevix | sparr, well the mentor site is not just for 'quick help', its directed at getting into debian and has a site to upload .deb for testing |
| 07:13.33 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: ^^^ |
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| 07:13.36 | quest_ | Guerin, how do i know it? |
| 07:13.41 | Guerin | quest_: locale |
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| 07:14.15 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: dunno, that's just always what I've been told. I've never seen the code for that bit of the hardware, so I'm not sure. |
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| 07:14.23 | kevix | dondelelcaro, once you get your fingers in that 'twister' pose, it takes a few seconds to get it undone x-) |
| 07:14.32 | silverton | rhythmbox crashes when I try to load it with an ipod connected |
| 07:14.50 | quest_ | Guerin, LANG=it_IT@euro, but i have the problem in kde, |
| 07:14.54 | silverton | that feature not fully implemented yet? |
| 07:15.00 | SimonRaven | sounds like a bug |
| 07:15.13 | Guerin | quest_: might pay to ask #debian-it and/or #debian-kde |
| 07:15.25 | kevix | silverton, have you checked bugs.debian.org/rhythmbox ? |
| 07:15.34 | Guerin | SimonRaven: kde should use the correct charset automatically, and that one should present no troubles |
| 07:15.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:15.37 | Guerin | quest_: |
| 07:15.45 | SimonRaven | eh? |
| 07:15.49 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 07:16.16 | Guerin | silverton: any free software support for the ipod is purely coincidental |
| 07:16.29 | silverton | kevix, it's not there |
| 07:16.40 | silverton | Guerin, 0.o eh? |
| 07:16.42 | Boukensya | hey guys. I am installing a debian system onto a ibm xserver 306 that has an Adaptec HostRAID controller. Just wondering how to do this because it keeps coming up as there is no hard drives. |
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| 07:16.43 | sparr | kevix: interesting |
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| 07:16.56 | eeyore- | i don't see why rhythmbox should care about ipod |
| 07:17.12 | valdyn_ | eeyore-: it tries to support it |
| 07:17.14 | sparr | ive wanted to try building debs a few times... so many good games out there that would do well packaged. and so many C libraries that would be less of a PITA to get if they were packaged |
| 07:17.24 | Guerin | silverton: apple don't document them and don't release free software clients, so it's pure luck if anything works with them |
| 07:17.25 | eeyore- | valdyn_: is that right ... interesting :-) |
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| 07:17.49 | dondelelcaro | sparr: C libraries that aren't packaged usually are libraries to stay away from... |
| 07:17.53 | Guerin | hrm, i need to research the effect of altitude on hard disks |
| 07:17.56 | ajkroll | sparr: speaking of building debs.... the one I built dosn't install properly, I'm probabbly missing something |
| 07:17.59 | kevix | silverton, ok. then your bug report will be the first. |
| 07:18.03 | valdyn_ | silverton: have you tried gtkpod? |
| 07:18.12 | eeyore- | Boukensya: "hostraid" should give you the warning bells |
| 07:18.13 | silverton | valdyn_, I am now |
| 07:18.14 | Guerin | a mate of mine tried to play his ipod at everest base camp and it died on him, permanently |
| 07:18.19 | eeyore- | Boukensya: "Host" + "RAID". get it? |
| 07:18.27 | Guerin | he had to go and make a scene in the seoul apple shop to get a new one |
| 07:18.34 | SimonRaven | head crash? |
| 07:18.38 | SimonRaven | oi |
| 07:19.00 | Guerin | SimonRaven: yeah... apparently it's a known issue above 3000 metres |
| 07:19.04 | kevix | Guerin, but most ipods show up as usb mass storage device, where the prob? |
| 07:19.05 | sparr | dondelelcaro: got any specific negative anecdotes about http://www.osc.edu/~jbryan/FLU/ ? |
| 07:19.09 | Guerin | i can't see it being limited to ipods |
| 07:19.14 | Guerin | kevix: haha |
| 07:19.20 | quest_ | when i dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base, nothing happens, any clue? |
| 07:19.25 | liable | hehe, i like the use-the-force-luke option in growisofs |
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| 07:19.32 | Guerin | kevix: a ums device with the most insanely obfuscated directory structure ever |
| 07:19.35 | dondelelcaro | sparr: ugh. |
| 07:19.36 | SimonRaven | h/w limitation maybe (i'd say yes because of how they're built). would probably explode |
| 07:19.48 | SimonRaven | or similar effects |
| 07:19.56 | dondelelcaro | just what we need... YA UI TK. |
| 07:20.13 | sparr | dondelelcaro: ive only compiled one thing with it so far, but in the few times ive used it it has seemed to be one of the most featureful file selectors around |
| 07:20.14 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: good thing where we wheel it's only 9000-ft top |
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| 07:20.29 | sparr | the little buttons above the path textbox cut the path down at each / |
| 07:20.30 | dondelelcaro | sparr: more featureful than gtk's? |
| 07:20.31 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: wait, 7000-ft |
| 07:20.34 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 07:20.36 | Guerin | eeyore-: 9000ft is nearly 3000m |
| 07:20.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:20.39 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:20.44 | eeyore- | off by a little :-) |
| 07:20.47 | sparr | dondelelcaro: yes, unless gtk has one i havent seen used |
| 07:20.58 | dondelelcaro | sparr: where you can just ^L to input the location rapidly? |
| 07:21.03 | Smoked1 | I use debian for my web server but it has been a while since I have been here. Is Sarge still stable? |
| 07:21.10 | sparr | what does the ^L do in the gtk one? |
| 07:21.14 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: yes. |
| 07:21.14 | SimonRaven | about 10K+ |
| 07:21.21 | sparr | completion? |
| 07:21.24 | dondelelcaro | sparr: yes. |
| 07:21.32 | Smoked1 | What is testing called? |
| 07:21.35 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: sarge will be stable until at least sometime in 2006. |
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| 07:21.36 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: etch. |
| 07:21.49 | dondelelcaro | (late 2006) |
| 07:21.50 | Smoked1 | any ideas how much longer till etch is stable? |
| 07:21.55 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: WIR |
| 07:21.56 | Guerin | http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00DaOQ |
| 07:22.02 | Guerin | <3 google |
| 07:22.08 | Smoked1 | LOL |
| 07:22.21 | sparr | dondelelcaro: it sacrifices Tab for that purpose. its one failing that ive encountered |
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| 07:22.40 | dondelelcaro | sparr: tab still does it, you just have to use the ^L box to tab in |
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| 07:22.56 | sparr | ahh, ok |
| 07:23.06 | sparr | well, so its not the best |
| 07:23.10 | sparr | that doesnt mean its bad :) |
| 07:24.00 | dondelelcaro | sparr: the main point was that you probably don't want to have a dependency on a library/toolkit set that noone else uses, even if it may be superior in a few narrow places... if for no other reason than it won't tie in well with the user's setup. |
| 07:24.02 | sparr | the tree browser widget seems useful, i havent used it but just from reading the docs, if it does what it says without bugs then ill probably use it |
| 07:24.13 | sparr | dondelelcaro: i didnt say i would be depending on it |
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| 07:24.23 | dondelelcaro | sparr: well, if you link against it... |
| 07:24.33 | sparr | i havent used it in my own apps yet |
| 07:24.38 | sparr | im using OTHER peoples apps that require it |
| 07:24.46 | sparr | and when i had to compile those apps... |
| 07:24.47 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: ah, i just checked. last place we camped at Death Valley was at Papoose Flat, 8000-ft elevation, Inyo |
| 07:24.51 | sparr | no handy package for the lib :( |
| 07:25.01 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 07:25.29 | Boukensya | eeyore-, sorry I don't understand what I need to do |
| 07:25.36 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: wanna see some pictures? |
| 07:25.53 | SimonRaven | damned tempting |
| 07:26.15 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 07:26.21 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2834 |
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| 07:27.03 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: in the middle of the Saline Valley there is this beautiful oasis! :-) (and hot-tubs) |
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| 07:27.27 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: the first two pictures you see are of this Saline Valley oasis |
| 07:27.32 | Smoked1 | is there a debian package for rkhunter? |
| 07:27.58 | deathdellic | naaa its a installer script |
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| 07:28.01 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 07:28.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell Smoked1 -about search |
| 07:28.04 | deathdellic | its easy |
| 07:28.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info rkhunter |
| 07:28.12 | dpkg | rkhunter: (rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-16 (sid), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
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| 07:28.29 | deathdellic | oooo |
| 07:28.35 | deathdellic | there is a package |
| 07:28.38 | deathdellic | wow |
| 07:28.38 | Smoked1 | !+info rkhunter |
| 07:28.44 | famc21 | owo |
| 07:28.44 | dpkg | rkhunter: (rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-16 (sid), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 07:28.47 | Smoked1 | !info rkhunter |
| 07:28.54 | dpkg | rkhunter: (rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-16 (sid), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 07:28.55 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: stop with that already. |
| 07:29.02 | Smoked1 | sorry never used it before |
| 07:29.07 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: then use /msg |
| 07:29.15 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: part 1 is here, http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2832 not much scenery |
| 07:29.35 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: didn't realize that papoose flats was that high up |
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| 07:29.57 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: it was cold, and windy. our +20 sleeping bags were stretched to limit |
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| 07:30.18 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 07:30.25 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro + simonraven: that's my white jeep there against the sunset :-) (in part 1) |
| 07:30.32 | SimonRaven | wow |
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| 07:31.06 | shvek | why is debian release 12 CD's?? |
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| 07:31.39 | BackDoor | dondelelcaro: i got the CD to boot, but how do I get it to partition |
| 07:31.55 | deathdellic | wow thats nice |
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| 07:32.08 | shvek | lol |
| 07:32.28 | deathdellic | i mean the pics |
| 07:32.32 | Boukensya | so when it comes to "boot:" what do I need to type? |
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| 07:32.45 | kevix | shvek, debian makes binary cd's and source cd's. most folks just need binary cd #1 and #2 to install a basic system. |
| 07:32.54 | eeyore- | deathdellic: yeah, the guy who took the photos is a professional photographer :-) it shows |
| 07:32.56 | Guerin | ok, so at high altitude, the lack of air pressure means the bearings in a hard disk aren't sufficiently cushioned for operation, and can seize |
| 07:33.02 | shvek | thanks kevin |
| 07:33.06 | shvek | whats the rest for? |
| 07:33.08 | BackDoor | is it possible to resize hfs+? |
| 07:33.08 | Guerin | particularly when combined with subzero temperatures |
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| 07:33.19 | eeyore- | deathdellic: esp. the tents all lit up at night. the blue one was electric! |
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| 07:33.49 | Guerin | so i'm glad I have compact flash media for my camera, at least |
| 07:33.57 | dondelelcaro | shvek: it's the rest of the packages. |
| 07:34.05 | deathdellic | eeyore i like the sunsets . i will be near there in a few months i think i will go for a hike |
| 07:34.11 | shvek | oh k |
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| 07:34.30 | kevix | shvek, the bianry cd's are arrainged in order of usefulness/popularity. so cd 1 is the most useful/popular and the last one has the least used stuff. |
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| 07:34.35 | eeyore- | deathdellic: in august there's supposed to be meteor shower. we'll be back at papoose flat to take pics + camp :-) |
| 07:35.06 | skrewler_ | is there a workaround to avoid the pcmcia lockup during install? |
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| 07:35.17 | shvek | kevin i'm planning on building a hosting server with VHCS. |
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| 07:35.33 | deathdellic | eeyore sounds good i wish i had time in august but i will be predisposed at the time. i bet you will have a blast |
| 07:35.37 | dondelelcaro | skrewler_: use nopcmcia or probably noacpi option at boot; use the Fn keys to see all of the options |
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| 07:35.52 | silverton | where are playlists created from rhythmbox kept? |
| 07:36.16 | eeyore- | deathdellic: learned new word from this trip -- crepuscular |
| 07:36.20 | eeyore- | :-) |
| 07:36.31 | SimonRaven | heh :) |
| 07:36.59 | deathdellic | aint that a light beam |
| 07:37.06 | deathdellic | or something |
| 07:37.29 | SimonRaven | sunset-like |
| 07:38.10 | deathdellic | eeyore did u learn cold at night while there |
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| 07:38.11 | Boukensya | so when it comes to "boot:" what do I need to type? to get the scsi working |
| 07:38.27 | Guerin | silverton: if it's anything like most gnome programs, /usr/share/aardvark/hg8e67bkjjas87676dkjhnaldj/fishpaste/yes/this/is/annoyingly/difficult/to/find/on/purpose |
| 07:38.28 | eeyore- | deathdellic: nah, we have trusty kelty sleeping bags to keep warm :-) |
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| 07:38.44 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 07:38.45 | kevix | silverton, 'find |grep rhythmbox' will give you an answer |
| 07:38.58 | deathdellic | eeyore having a bag is good i have a military issue bag |
| 07:39.05 | silverton | Guerin, sounds terrible :( |
| 07:39.09 | silverton | kevix, I'll try it |
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| 07:39.35 | eeyore- | deathdellic: i like the kelty ones that zip together. keep mommy + baby happy, for the most part. how many of them zip together like that? |
| 07:39.40 | ajkroll | wow that was alot of cruft to dowload to compile this tarball |
| 07:39.52 | Guerin | kevix: that wouldn't find the filws in my (fairly credible) example |
| 07:40.03 | eeyore- | deathdellic: i'll take it private :-) keep clutter down |
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| 07:41.26 | silverton | wtf? |
| 07:41.28 | silverton | it's a config file... |
| 07:41.33 | silverton | and this is what's in it find |grep rhythmbox |
| 07:41.34 | kevix | Guerin, worked for me './.gnome2/rhythmbox/playlists.xml' |
| 07:41.36 | silverton | er, dammuit |
| 07:41.43 | silverton | <playlist name="everything" internal-name="<playlist:1132731230:245586>" type="automatic" limit-count="0" limit-size="0"> |
| 07:41.51 | Guerin | kevix: i bet it's a symlink |
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| 07:42.37 | silverton | is there a way that I could make a folder that goes directly to an ftp server? |
| 07:42.51 | ajkroll | silverton: yes |
| 07:42.55 | Guerin | silverton: sure |
| 07:43.05 | kevix | silverton, did you mean the list of your songs? |
| 07:43.06 | Guerin | silverton: make a folder in an ftp root |
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| 07:43.43 | ajkroll | silverton: there's always sitecopy too |
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| 07:43.56 | silverton | kevix, all of my music is on an ftp server on my network, rhythmbox can load them straight from the server, but I'm assuming that gtkpod can't |
| 07:43.57 | Guerin | wth is sitecopy? |
| 07:44.00 | ajkroll | silverton: that is, if it is a remote |
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| 07:44.05 | kevix | silverton, like 'lufs' ? |
| 07:44.12 | Guerin | silverton: an internal ftp server? WHY? |
| 07:44.15 | shvek | OMW |
| 07:44.20 | silverton | Guerin, xbox :P |
| 07:44.27 | ajkroll | Guerin: update a remote web/ftp site from a local site structure |
| 07:44.29 | Guerin | ye gods |
| 07:44.30 | shvek | i dont beleive tge amount of ppl on this chan |
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| 07:44.48 | Guerin | ajkroll: oh, you mean it's just an ftp client |
| 07:45.00 | silverton | kevix, lufs? |
| 07:45.05 | shvek | anyone installed VHCS here?? |
| 07:45.06 | ajkroll | Guerin: i use it for updating one of my websites containing tarballs |
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| 07:45.40 | kevix | silverton, linux user file system, google it and see the possibilities! |
| 07:45.59 | silverton | userland ;P |
| 07:46.07 | Guerin | ajkroll: i use rsync for that... or failing rsync, lftp |
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| 07:46.16 | Guerin | but whatever tickles you in the right spot |
| 07:46.37 | usn_work | good morning |
| 07:46.53 | SimonRaven | and makes you giggle |
| 07:46.55 | ajkroll | Guerin: I like it because it only requires a client, no server, and it can do multiple update protocols |
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| 07:47.06 | kevix | ajkroll, this may be of interest: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 07:47.13 | Guerin | ajkroll: so it connects via ssh or something? |
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| 07:47.30 | ajkroll | Guerin: I think you can, if you want to, I use a tunnel |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | ajkroll: my point being, how does it get into the remote machine without a server of some kind? |
| 07:48.07 | ajkroll | normally you have an ftp server if your serving ftp.... |
| 07:48.23 | Guerin | so it's just a ftp client, like I said... |
| 07:48.33 | new2linux | hello. I tried to install NFS to a laptop that has its display addapter damaged ( can not see from its own screen) via telnet. during the last steps of instalation( after the packages were downloaded) the system on the nelneted system zreeze, and I can not type anything....I did it few times, and seems that it always stops when searching or installing something to do with apple talk....any clues please? |
| 07:48.37 | ajkroll | yes, but it has other modes as well, check it out |
| 07:49.03 | SimonRaven | lftp does ftp, ssh, and http iirc |
| 07:49.04 | Guerin | new2linux: you don't need appletalk. |
| 07:49.19 | Guerin | iirc:// : unsupported protocol |
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| 07:49.39 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 07:49.42 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 07:49.51 | Guerin | lftp is the shit |
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| 07:50.19 | silverton | what filesystem would an ftp server be considered? |
| 07:50.35 | silverton | USAGE: lufsmount <file_system>://[<user>[:<pass>]@][<host>][:<port>][/<remote_root>] <mountpoint> [OPTIONS] |
| 07:50.37 | Guerin | silverton: ftp doesn't care about filesystems |
| 07:50.39 | silverton | I put ftp... |
| 07:50.40 | dondelelcaro | new2linux: netatalk takes a while to start, but you probably shouldn't have it installed unless you know exactly what that is |
| 07:50.45 | silverton | but it said unsupoorted |
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| 07:50.50 | silverton | *unsupported |
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| 07:50.51 | toonx | how can i enable this option for APT ? APT::Force-LoopBreak ? |
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| 07:50.57 | SimonRaven | *blink* |
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| 07:51.06 | Guerin | toonx: /msg dpkg loopbreak |
| 07:51.08 | dondelelcaro | toonx: you shouldn't need to enable that option. |
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| 07:51.19 | dondelelcaro | toonx: if you're seeing that, first upgrade to stable. Then upgrade to testing. |
| 07:51.21 | eeyore- | silverton: there isn't a "filesystem" for FTP:// protocol, *unless* you use gnome/kde and get around it with vfs |
| 07:51.23 | new2linux | Gurin: I did not specify apple talk when installing...I used base-config to start with and followed the steps....is there any way to prevent it from happening... |
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| 07:51.38 | silverton | so, what do I put for "file_system" in that command? |
| 07:51.42 | Guerin | new2linux: I'm not sure. |
| 07:51.47 | toonx | Guerin ok |
| 07:51.51 | dondelelcaro | new2linux: start with init=/sbin/init 1; and remove netatalk if you're not using it. |
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| 07:52.02 | dondelelcaro | new2linux: although, it shouldn't hang... it will just take ~2 minutes to start. |
| 07:52.03 | toonx | dondelelcaro ok |
| 07:52.06 | Guerin | silverton: if you're connecting to a ftp server, there IS NO FILESYSTEM |
| 07:52.08 | ajkroll | ick, I hate c++ and now I need to repair this crap code |
| 07:52.30 | eeyore- | ajkroll: rewrite in php |
| 07:53.29 | ajkroll | eeyore-: not an option |
| 07:54.32 | toonx | Guerin /msg dpkg loopbreak doesn't work |
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| 07:54.34 | Guerin | toonx: you've recieved better advice than that anyhow |
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| 07:54.47 | new2linux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.14 | kevix | toonx, maybe try to explain what you are trying to do that you think you need to do 'Force-LoopBreak'? |
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| 07:55.41 | dondelelcaro | new2linux: doesn't matter. |
| 07:55.53 | toonx | Guerin hmm, i have this broken debian like distro wich i am doing my best in using ,and i need to fix apt |
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| 07:56.35 | eeyore- | debian-like ... *smirk* |
| 07:56.38 | Guerin | toonx: if it has anything remotely like debian's apt, loopbreak will work. If not, ask the eejits who broke it |
| 07:56.38 | eeyore- | #ubunto |
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| 07:57.10 | toonx | it's not ubuntu |
| 07:57.47 | soup` | how do I setup my nickname? |
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| 07:58.06 | Boukensya | okay, the exact chipset it an IBM ServeRAID sata, how do I get debian to recognize it so I can install debian onto it? |
| 07:58.13 | kevix | soup`, use /nick NICKNAME |
| 07:58.25 | soup` | I can't get to the freenode website for some reason |
| 07:58.40 | soup` | kevix: I mean how do I register my nickname? |
| 07:58.41 | kevix | toonx, what is wrong with your 'apt' |
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| 07:59.09 | kevix | soup`, IIRC on the /server screen it says something about it |
| 07:59.11 | liable | soup`: /msg nickserv help |
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| 07:59.32 | ajkroll | there we go, was missing some headers |
| 07:59.41 | Boukensya | I know I would have to probably put it in the boot screen "boot: linux foo" |
| 07:59.43 | toonx | kevix talk about that later , later dudes |
| 07:59.49 | Boukensya | but what? and how would I get the drivers? |
| 08:00.45 | BackDoor | is there a program to parition hfs+ filesystems in mac? |
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| 08:01.05 | kevix | Boukensya, have you search the 'debian-user' mailing list archives or googled. there has to be something on this. |
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| 08:01.17 | Boukensya | kevix, yes I have |
| 08:01.25 | Boukensya | kevix, or google at least |
| 08:01.30 | new2linux | dondelelcaro: thank you for your help. I will try that. |
| 08:01.45 | Boukensya | been searching for the last 2 hours |
| 08:01.54 | Guerin | BackDoor: ask some mactards |
| 08:02.05 | Boukensya | BackDoor, I remember something, maybe hfsdisk? |
| 08:02.10 | ajkroll | here's a good question for anyone who's a dselect/apt gawd/guru... if I've upgraded from potato (and it was not all that smoth btw...) and I want to kill off any old/obsolete entries, even if it is some sort of stub package, how would I do that in a single command line? if it doesn't exist as one, it would be a nice feature addition... think of it as a package cruft |
| 08:02.22 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: you don't partition filesystems. You partition disks and put filesystems on partitions. |
| 08:02.25 | BackDoor | Boukensya: is that open source |
| 08:02.32 | Boukensya | I think so |
| 08:02.37 | BackDoor | dondelelcaro: of course . . . |
| 08:02.40 | dondelelcaro | BackDoor: use macfdisk, or pdisk. |
| 08:02.56 | Boukensya | I used it once or twice when I had my ibook, didn't really get real into it |
| 08:03.08 | BackDoor | does macfdisk delete the partition, or can it resize it while saving data? |
| 08:03.19 | Boukensya | no idea |
| 08:03.24 | kevix | ajkroll, like with 'deborphan' 'debfoster' or something else? |
| 08:03.27 | ajkroll | backdoor: m68k devel? |
| 08:03.47 | ajkroll | kevix: that would be the command? |
| 08:04.16 | ajkroll | kevix: basically I'd like to clean up the package cache under dselect |
| 08:04.30 | kevix | !deborphan |
| 08:04.30 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 08:04.43 | kevix | !debfoster |
| 08:04.43 | dpkg | somebody said debfoster was a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 08:04.45 | ajkroll | oh excellent |
| 08:04.49 | ajkroll | thanx! |
| 08:04.50 | BackDoor | ajkroll: what us m68k devel? |
| 08:05.16 | BackDoor | do I need to have linux installed before i can run these programs? |
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| 08:05.19 | ajkroll | backdoor: why not? I play with it on occasion |
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| 08:05.53 | BackDoor | I need to resize the hard drive before I can install linux |
| 08:06.03 | kevix | BackDoor, are you trying to install linux on a mac without needed to install mac os? |
| 08:06.28 | BackDoor | I am trying to install linux, and keep mac |
| 08:06.30 | ajkroll | backdoor: I don't think there is any util that can do that on-the-fly... might be something interesting for you to code, however |
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| 08:06.47 | BackDoor | I'm not a programmer, actually |
| 08:06.58 | BackDoor | :( |
| 08:07.03 | ajkroll | backdoor: what I did was partitioned a new drive, and went that route |
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| 08:07.29 | ajkroll | backdoor: then I use the penguin booter to boot m68k linux on the mac |
| 08:07.36 | BackDoor | so neither macfdisk nor hfsdisk will do what I need? |
| 08:07.38 | cilkay | Hi. I'm trying to install Sarge using debootstrap. I fails with "E: Couldn't download gcc-3.2-base". What would you suggest I do? Debootstrap is the only option for installation in this case because I don't have physical access to the server. |
| 08:07.59 | BackDoor | I only have one disk, ajkroll -- it's a laptop |
| 08:08.16 | ajkroll | backdoor: unfortunatly, no... however if you have another drive, you could make 2 a/ux partitions on it and install to there |
| 08:08.47 | BackDoor | ajkroll, thanks anyway, but only have one disk in this laptop |
| 08:08.57 | ajkroll | no jazz? |
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| 08:09.13 | BackDoor | I heard of some comercial software to resize mac partitions, but it's like $50 -- ipartition |
| 08:09.18 | ajkroll | does it have external scsi on it? |
| 08:09.37 | BackDoor | ajkroll, nope, no external scsi |
| 08:09.42 | BackDoor | just internal IDE |
| 08:10.01 | ajkroll | well, the only way to do it then would be a full reinstall/repartition, unfortunatly |
| 08:10.28 | dondelelcaro | gteppel: please don't do that. |
| 08:10.42 | kevix | BackDoor, http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iPartition.php |
| 08:10.45 | BackDoor | could I delete mac, re-partition, and re-install mac on a smaller partition? |
| 08:10.53 | ajkroll | backdoor: yes |
| 08:11.00 | gteppel | dondelelcaro: sorry, new irc client |
| 08:11.03 | BackDoor | kevis, thanks, I was just saying that ipartition is too expensive |
| 08:11.21 | ajkroll | backdoor: either way, good luck |
| 08:11.27 | BackDoor | ajkroll, will the mac installer use only the unused parition? Will it want to override the linux one? |
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| 08:11.54 | ajkroll | it should bother you on what you want to do with it |
| 08:11.55 | new2linux | dondelcaro: sorry, Irc hanged on me and I did not save the conversation....could you please tell me again about the command I should use to remove apple talk after I am in init 0 mode...thanks |
| 08:11.59 | cilkay | BackDoor: Which version of Mac OS? |
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| 08:12.20 | BackDoor | cilkay: osx 10.4 |
| 08:12.21 | ajkroll | if you set it to a/ux, it won't bother you at all |
| 08:12.36 | BackDoor | 10.4.2 |
| 08:12.47 | dondelelcaro | new2linux: just apt-get remove netatalk; |
| 08:12.52 | dondelelcaro | new2linux: probably with --purge |
| 08:13.02 | cilkay | BackDoor: don't know about OS X but the installers in the older versions were smart enough that it did not expect to have the whole disk. It should work. |
| 08:13.16 | BackDoor | I have an 80gb disk. How do you recommend I partition? |
| 08:13.19 | new2linux | dondekecaro: thanks |
| 08:13.24 | SimonRaven | init 0? :) |
| 08:13.28 | cilkay | Is there such a thing as a live Linux CD for Power PC? |
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| 08:13.43 | ajkroll | backdoor: depends entirely on how you plan on using the systems |
| 08:13.44 | BackDoor | cilkay: think so |
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| 08:14.06 | BackDoor | ajkroll: I know what sizes to use, but I'm wondering about the file systems and the order |
| 08:14.12 | cilkay | BackDoor: if there is, then you can boot from that and then make a disk image of your existing disk onto another disk. |
| 08:14.19 | BackDoor | I want about 30gb for mac, the rest for linux |
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| 08:14.43 | ajkroll | backdoor: I was going to suggest 50/50 split |
| 08:14.58 | cilkay | BackDoor: laptop? If so, I wouldn't go nuts with too many partitions. You're just wasting space. One for /, another for swap, and another for /home. |
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| 08:15.09 | kevix | BackDoor, I found something interesting: On a mac, I use Ubuntu Live PPC after first disabling journaling on the HFS+ partition via the terminal in OS X. After that, the commands parted, print, resize #, quit do the trick. |
| 08:15.10 | cilkay | BackDoor: if it's a server, that's a different story. |
| 08:15.41 | BackDoor | kevix: I was using parted, but I didn't know how to disable journaling |
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| 08:16.42 | kevix | BackDoor, well that quote was from here: 'http://digg.com/software/Repartition_Your_Drive_Without_Reformatting' maybe you can email the author |
| 08:17.01 | BackDoor | cool |
| 08:17.33 | kevix | cilkay, ubuntu currently has a ppc live cd |
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| 08:18.50 | kevix | cilkay, did you hear about the wierd ISP called 'rogers' in .ca on boingboing.net? |
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| 08:19.10 | cilkay | kevix: no. What about it? |
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| 08:20.19 | BackDoor | kevix: is it "diskutil disableJournal /" to disable journaling? |
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| 08:20.55 | txetemar | debian español?? |
| 08:21.24 | nkuttler | !es |
| 08:21.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:21.24 | BackDoor | !tell txetemar about spanish |
| 08:21.31 | SimonRaven | #debian-es |
| 08:21.39 | txetemar | thanks a lot |
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| 08:22.46 | BackDoor | OK, journaling is disabled. :) Now, I'll go back and try parted. . . . |
| 08:22.49 | BackDoor | wish me luck . . . :) |
| 08:22.53 | kevix | cilkay, check here: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/20/canadian_isp_blockin.html |
| 08:23.19 | kevix | BackDoor, remember YMMV! |
| 08:24.20 | ajkroll | nice, it finally completed the tarball build, now to install |
| 08:24.33 | cat | nice |
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| 08:24.40 | awwa | ok,what i am looking for is something like MPD (music player daemon) but insted of music it should be movies, i want to control the server that is playing the movies via its TVout from a client computor on the network. is this possible? with "forward and rewind", without the server needing a GUI, and with a GUI for the client computors. |
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| 08:25.17 | cilkay | kevix: doesn't surprise me. They are after all not in the ISP business but in the "content" business. |
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| 08:25.35 | BuHTuK | çäðàñüòå âñåì |
| 08:25.38 | BuHTuK | =)))) |
| 08:25.58 | BuHTuK | åñòü òóò ñîáðàòüÿ ïî ðàçóìó? |
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| 08:26.28 | liable | BuHTuK: english here. |
| 08:26.43 | BuHTuK | liable: =( |
| 08:26.47 | ajkroll | so far, so good |
| 08:26.58 | ajkroll | now all I need to do is sudo it |
| 08:27.05 | nekostar | i seem to have lost menu's for some of the apps i have installed |
| 08:27.06 | cilkay | kevix: recent quote I read: Survey shows that Rogers customers stay with Rogers because they hate Bell more. That about sums up the options for TV service. For ISPs, there are many smaller ones but most have to rely on Bell. |
| 08:27.12 | nekostar | xchat or azureus for instance... |
| 08:27.14 | liable | @ua |
| 08:27.23 | liable | @hi |
| 08:27.24 | ravenbird | Many greetings, liable, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 08:27.27 | nekostar | i was wondering what i can do besides a update-menus to get them back |
| 08:27.30 | Rangitoto | There is a black cross (X) with a white border exactly in the middle of the screen. It stays there, even when the screen saver is running. How can I get rid of it? |
| 08:27.54 | kevix | cilkay, that's the troubel with little or no competition. it sux no matter who you use. |
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| 08:28.08 | SimonRaven | @ua is <reply>Ukraine |
| 08:28.09 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
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| 08:28.34 | liable | SimonRaven: :) |
| 08:29.28 | toonx | kevix ok , back to apt , i need to enable this option for apt because it need to temporarily remove some essential package |
| 08:29.57 | nekostar | arg? |
| 08:30.00 | kevix | toonx, and why would you need to do that? |
| 08:30.10 | toonx | kevix and it seems there's no way around .. so how can i enable APT::Force-LoopBreak ? |
| 08:30.32 | SimonRaven | you were told how to take care it |
| 08:30.36 | kevix | toonx, what lead you to need to remove essential packages? |
| 08:31.11 | toonx | kevix because no matter what i want to install , even mc , APT tries to remove e2fsprogs .. wich it can't since it needs that option in order to do it |
| 08:31.17 | kevix | SimonRaven, is toonx doing a stable to stable upgrade? |
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| 08:31.38 | SimonRaven | didn't seem like it, no confirm, or i missed it |
| 08:31.53 | Bogaurd | where can i direct the output of a cron job so that i'm not mailed about it all the time? |
| 08:31.57 | toonx | kevix nothing like that |
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| 08:32.02 | kevix | toonx, ohhhhh. I think that I've seem that one many times here. |
| 08:32.11 | SimonRaven | argh |
| 08:32.26 | valdyn_ | !e2fstools loop |
| 08:32.39 | SimonRaven | !e2fsprogs |
| 08:32.39 | dpkg | i heard e2fsprogs is http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 08:32.40 | jm_ | Bogaurd: man cron ; man crontab ; man 5 crontab |
| 08:32.46 | toonx | kevix i am not tring to do any dist-upgrade or such , just to install mc , and apt want's that option |
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| 08:33.14 | SimonRaven | /msg dpkg loopbreak |
| 08:33.21 | valdyn_ | toonx: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 08:33.26 | SimonRaven | !+loopbreak |
| 08:33.35 | toonx | ok |
| 08:33.38 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 08:34.02 | toonx | k that's must be |
| 08:34.05 | toonx | that |
| 08:34.42 | toonx | it's true , i do have testing in my sources.list |
| 08:35.01 | SimonRaven | *bell* |
| 08:35.09 | valdyn_ | toonx: the point is that you are trying to use testing stuff in a pre-sarge system |
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| 08:35.28 | toonx | valdyn_ right |
| 08:35.31 | SimonRaven | which is *going* to break |
| 08:35.42 | toonx | no doubt |
| 08:35.46 | SimonRaven | as in *will*, *not maybe* |
| 08:35.52 | toonx | haha |
| 08:35.53 | toonx | :) |
| 08:35.55 | plbgnr | hello, I added keyboard shortcut to maximize window in fluxbox and I want keyb. shortcut to restore window size but don't know how to do it ...can anybody help? |
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| 08:36.56 | nekostar | arg |
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| 08:37.15 | nekostar | so do i need to reinstall debian to get my menus actually reflecting what i have installed? |
| 08:37.28 | BuHT | kick BuHTuK plz |
| 08:37.29 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: no, just run update_menus. |
| 08:37.34 | dondelelcaro | BuHT: ? |
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| 08:37.40 | Bogaurd | is there an eximconfigurator? or am i getting it confused with something else? if so, how can i invoke it? |
| 08:37.48 | dondelelcaro | s/_/-/ |
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| 08:37.54 | valdyn_ | Bogaurd: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:38.03 | Bogaurd | valdyn_: thanks |
| 08:38.04 | BuHT | I bad dialect in english |
| 08:38.13 | SimonRaven | his ghost timed out |
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| 08:38.24 | SimonRaven | er, is timing* |
| 08:38.31 | BuHT | long leaves |
| 08:38.34 | SimonRaven | bah, slap me |
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| 08:38.37 | dondelelcaro | Tchiak: why not du -hs /*; ? |
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| 08:38.45 | kevix | Bogaurd, have you tried 'apt-cache search exim|less' |
| 08:38.47 | Tchiak | cause that woudl take liess time |
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| 08:38.53 | nekostar | dondelelcaro, i did run the update-menus and that did not update them |
| 08:38.54 | Tchiak | and i'm trying to bore my self to an ew level\ |
| 08:38.54 | toonx | oh .. sorry , thanks valdyn_ SimonRaven and kevix |
| 08:39.07 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: did you restart your window manager after doing that? |
| 08:39.15 | dondelelcaro | (or reload if you've got a sane one) |
| 08:39.18 | nekostar | my xchat i made a .deb out of did not make an icon nor did my azureus that used to have one |
| 08:39.21 | nekostar | and yes i have |
| 08:39.25 | nekostar | i restarted the whole comp |
| 08:39.44 | Boukensya | that was screwed, just using expert mode fixed it all up |
| 08:39.51 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: uh... you made an xchat .deb? |
| 08:39.56 | nekostar | yeah |
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| 08:40.01 | nekostar | i compiled 2.6.0 |
| 08:40.03 | BuHT | well that here nobody from Russia? |
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| 08:40.09 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: if you didn't follow the policy on debian-menus when you made it, it won't make a menu entry. |
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| 08:40.17 | kevix | nekostar, update-menus works with xdg menu thingies |
| 08:40.20 | nekostar | but azureus had a menu item already and its gone |
| 08:40.23 | sophacles | how does one find out the type of a file? |
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| 08:40.31 | nekostar | xdg menu thingies? |
| 08:40.32 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: sure, because your new package didn't provide one. |
| 08:40.39 | valdyn_ | sophacles: one types 'file <file>' |
| 08:40.42 | BuHT | offensively =((( |
| 08:40.46 | nekostar | i did not change az though lol |
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| 08:40.53 | nekostar | that one just got lost in the wake or something |
| 08:40.55 | nekostar | meh |
| 08:41.00 | nekostar | is there a way to edit the thing? |
| 08:41.01 | dondelelcaro | BuHT: lay off the punctuation please... |
| 08:41.03 | nekostar | manually? |
| 08:41.14 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: which version of azereus are you using? have you checked the bts? |
| 08:41.37 | BuHT | dondelelcaro: excuse me, old habits |
| 08:41.46 | nekostar | i installed the regular az from the repo and then grabbed the jar and redefined it before to go to the jar |
| 08:41.47 | nekostar | o wait |
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| 08:42.00 | nekostar | i tossed the jar on top of the old jar in /usr/share/java or something |
| 08:42.01 | sophacles | thanks valdyn_ |
| 08:42.08 | nekostar | but it was fine and well and good but its not now |
| 08:42.11 | nekostar | its gone |
| 08:42.32 | nekostar | now i can stull do gksu and run as my user and run the apps that are missing but its rather annoying :P |
| 08:42.53 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: well, first off, azereus isn't even packaged in Debian, so it's unlikely that they provided a menu for it. |
| 08:43.00 | BuHT | merrily here beside you, particularly when do not know english |
| 08:43.01 | nekostar | and i KNOW i can add to my openbox/fluxbox/blackbox menu's manually but i just use that darn debian menu |
| 08:43.07 | nekostar | lets try again |
| 08:43.11 | nekostar | dondelelcaro, |
| 08:43.14 | valdyn_ | !info azureus |
| 08:43.16 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4659 kB, Installed size: 5280 kB |
| 08:43.17 | valdyn_ | !info azureus sarge |
| 08:43.23 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.2.0.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4981 kB, Installed size: 5960 kB |
| 08:43.24 | dondelelcaro | ah, I'm not typing it properly. |
| 08:43.25 | nekostar | when i installed az the first time it had an icon and a menu item |
| 08:43.41 | nekostar | i did not change azureus except to toss a jar in to replace the old jar |
| 08:43.45 | nekostar | none of the rest changed. |
| 08:43.48 | nekostar | thats gone |
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| 08:44.06 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: stat /usr/share/menu/azureus; for me. |
| 08:44.12 | nekostar | it should not have changed any of the menu items by doing what i did but something i did somewhere got borked |
| 08:44.16 | kevix | nekostar, xdg is the key,IIRC |
| 08:44.34 | nekostar | what is xdg kevix ? |
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| 08:44.50 | Shadur | xdialog, innit? |
| 08:45.01 | dondelelcaro | kevix: xdg doesn't have anything to do with the Debian menu. The debian menu is created from files in /usr/share/menu |
| 08:45.18 | nekostar | ya |
| 08:45.19 | BuHT | what such bad to do to all became well? |
| 08:45.22 | nekostar | and meh |
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| 08:45.28 | nekostar | seems i need to make a few |
| 08:45.31 | jm_ | isn't it /usr/lib/menu? |
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| 08:45.41 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: again, what does stat /usr/share/menu/azereus; return? |
| 08:45.42 | SlayerXP | morning girls. |
| 08:45.51 | dondelelcaro | jm_: no, it's arch independent, so it's in /usr/share |
| 08:46.02 | nekostar | nothing: |
| 08:46.11 | nekostar | stat: cannot stat etc etc |
| 08:46.13 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: I have zero files in /usr/share and a lot of entries in /usr/lib (Sarge) |
| 08:46.18 | dondelelcaro | s/azureus/ |
| 08:46.32 | nekostar | i have nothing in /usr/share/menu apparently |
| 08:46.34 | valdyn_ | jm_: /usr/lib/menu is probably obsolete, but a few packages still use it ( i suspect, there being only few files ) |
| 08:46.36 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: ohh you mean azureus, makes sense |
| 08:46.39 | SimonRaven | got moved the share/ after sarge released |
| 08:46.43 | jm_ | valdyn_: ye |
| 08:46.56 | SimonRaven | oh, woops, sorry, wrong issue |
| 08:46.58 | dondelelcaro | ah. well, it should be /usr/share... it being in /usr/lib was a bug. |
| 08:47.05 | dondelelcaro | (if it was ever in /usr/share) |
| 08:47.20 | nekostar | ah ha |
| 08:47.27 | nekostar | thats where some menu items are... |
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| 08:47.34 | nekostar | /usr/lib/menu |
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| 08:48.19 | SimonRaven | there were bits in share/, but not all the packages did that.then it got formalised |
| 08:48.27 | dondelelcaro | !+find menu/azureus |
| 08:48.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:48.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'menu/azureus' (1): (/usr/share/menu/azureus) in contrib/net/azureus. |
| 08:48.40 | dondelelcaro | !+find menu/azureus sarge |
| 08:48.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:48.44 | jm_ | I always find that out very late, because I'm conservative with uogrades ;) |
| 08:48.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'menu/azureus' returned no results. |
| 08:48.59 | BuHT | well here with you, but alas...I nothing do not understand |
| 08:49.21 | dondelelcaro | BuHT: /join #debian-ru |
| 08:49.43 | BuHT | dondelelcaro: but that such too there is? |
| 08:50.07 | dondelelcaro | BuHT: if you don't speak english, but speak russian, you'll find help there. |
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| 08:50.28 | lefteris19 | hi |
| 08:50.38 | BuHT | yes uzh, folk there plenty of |
| 08:50.56 | SlayerXP | BuHT: why talk like Yoda do you? |
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| 08:51.36 | dondelelcaro | subject verb setence order lack there is. |
| 08:51.46 | BuHT | SlayerXP: I am a dialect with translator |
| 08:51.53 | SlayerXP | i wish I was. |
| 08:52.28 | nekostar | well thanx guyz |
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| 08:52.34 | sHerMie | hi |
| 08:52.43 | sHerMie | any idea ? (Reading database ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly |
| 08:52.50 | nekostar | dondelelcaro, it wasnt in the /usr/lib/menu either but im adding files for them now so that works just fine :) |
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| 08:53.03 | nekostar | thankyou everyone |
| 08:53.14 | nekostar | much quicker than another install ~_^ |
| 08:53.54 | sHerMie | ? |
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| 08:54.10 | dondelelcaro | sHerMie: what is the full output of the command that you're running? |
| 08:54.11 | nekostar | hum |
| 08:54.14 | jm_ | sHerMie: it told you what failed ... |
| 08:54.56 | sHerMie | apt-get install xxxx |
| 08:55.02 | BuHT | devil, do not love translators |
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| 08:55.25 | sHerMie | jm_, tell me |
| 08:56.01 | kevix | BuHT, what errors? |
| 08:56.45 | jm_ | sHerMie: sorry, I don't have the skills to read remote tty-s |
| 08:56.58 | BuHT | kevix: I am a dialect that do not love translators since they translate wrong |
| 08:57.00 | sHerMie | ????? |
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| 08:57.24 | kevix | BuHT, you have computer question? |
| 08:57.31 | DM | hello :) |
| 08:57.38 | DM | im new to linux |
| 08:57.45 | SimonRaven | "l33t psyK1K sk1llz" |
| 08:57.49 | DM | is there a way to get bitchx to run with a gui ? |
| 08:57.52 | cilkay | kevix: no, just practising English :) |
| 08:58.15 | dondelelcaro | DM: install bitchx-gtk.... but do yourself a favor and use irssi-text in screen instead. |
| 08:58.25 | DM | irssi-text? |
| 08:58.33 | DM | is that another irc client |
| 08:58.52 | BuHT | kevix: no, I more or less understand in computer, I so simply look wanted on channel |
| 08:59.05 | dondelelcaro | DM: yes. Once you learn it, you won't use any other IRC client again. |
| 08:59.15 | DM | does it have a gui? :P |
| 08:59.23 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't need one... |
| 08:59.32 | SimonRaven | you mind reader |
| 08:59.34 | cilkay | I fixed the problem with debootstrap I asked about earlier. Apparently, the RPM that I installed was for Woody, not Sarge. I cleaned out all the stuff that it had downloaded the first time and ran deboostrap woody and am now configuring it. BTW, this is on a Xen VPS that is currently running Mandriva 10.2. |
| 08:59.36 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 09:00.00 | DM | can i apt-get it |
| 09:00.05 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 09:00.53 | DM | hmm thats wir |
| 09:00.55 | DM | wierd |
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| 09:01.22 | DM | when i apt-get it nothing happens, console just goes back to roo:/dir/user# |
| 09:02.28 | DM | oh, i wouldent work in terminal |
| 09:02.34 | DM | works in konsole |
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| 09:03.15 | BuHT | shall go I teach english |
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| 09:03.45 | orix_ | hi, i'm looking for ppl having an ebook + debian, and i would like to know if it works well |
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| 09:04.01 | BuHT | since phrases Yoda I do not make |
| 09:04.12 | kevix | DM, if you type 'irc' does anything happen? |
| 09:04.21 | DM | dondelelcaro |
| 09:04.33 | DM | ive installed it |
| 09:04.56 | DM | is it like /connect irc.debian.org? |
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| 09:05.41 | DM | ah |
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| 09:05.52 | DM__ | o/ |
| 09:05.57 | BuHT | a little has not forgotten! Where I can find greenhope? |
| 09:06.12 | DM__ | looks exactly the same dondelelcaro |
| 09:06.14 | BuHT | he here can be? |
| 09:06.29 | DM__ | :X |
| 09:06.36 | DM__ | anyway to hide my host on this server? |
| 09:07.29 | crash3m_ | DM__: join #freenode and ask for a cloak |
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| 09:07.36 | crash3m_ | DM__: it'll probably take you 2 days to get voice though heh |
| 09:08.16 | BuHT | anyone I shall answer? |
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| 09:09.56 | BuHT | devil translators |
| 09:10.00 | DM__ | lol |
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| 09:10.09 | DM__ | im just getting completly ignored |
| 09:10.21 | DM__ | they must have +m |
| 09:10.25 | crash3m_ | they do |
| 09:10.35 | DM__ | =[ |
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| 09:10.41 | BuHT | I hate language barrier |
| 09:10.47 | DM__ | how do you private message people with irssi |
| 09:10.58 | litage | can stunnel be setup to connect to port 465 (SMTPS) on a mail server? |
| 09:11.15 | nekostar | o heck yeah |
| 09:11.20 | DM__ | crash3m_: did u get a message |
| 09:11.21 | nekostar | this is so much nicer :D:D:D |
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| 09:11.50 | nekostar | brilliant!@@!@@ debian rulzzzzz |
| 09:11.51 | nekostar | XD |
| 09:11.56 | crash3m_ | DM__: nope, just dropped in to see if I couldnt catch their attention for you |
| 09:12.22 | DM__ | thanks man :D |
| 09:12.30 | crash3m_ | np |
| 09:14.08 | DM__ | it seems to have worked :) |
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| 09:20.07 | grozniy | hi all does anybody knows how to make ipw2200 driver work with kernel 2.6.14 ? |
| 09:20.13 | nekostar | well on the upside |
| 09:20.24 | nekostar | gnome is nice and all but i dont think i need it ~_^ |
| 09:20.31 | nekostar | though its got lots of nice componants >_< |
| 09:20.44 | nekostar | anyway's thanx all again and i bid thee goodnight.. |
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| 09:21.37 | nevyn | so if I plug in a usb device and all the kernel says is "new device attached using id n" then I need to write a driver for this hardware? |
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| 09:21.44 | nevyn | it's my phone :( |
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| 09:22.05 | fireba11 | ?? |
| 09:22.17 | Guerin | nevyn: what make? |
| 09:22.21 | jah | hello |
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| 09:22.32 | DM__ | been doing some searches and cant find any irrsi-text help sites, anyone know of any please? |
| 09:22.46 | Guerin | DM__: irssi.org |
| 09:22.48 | nevyn | Guerin: sony ericsson |
| 09:22.52 | Guerin | DM__: insane as it may sound |
| 09:22.59 | DM__ | lol |
| 09:23.01 | Guerin | nevyn: i think you're SOL |
| 09:23.01 | SlayerXP | Guerin: are you on crack? |
| 09:23.14 | nevyn | thing that's annoying is sysfs tells me about all sorts of interesting looking obex interfaces and stuff |
| 09:23.15 | Guerin | SlayerXP: I'm no chai, but it's bretty heavy stuff |
| 09:23.16 | Orfeous | need some help with spamassassin.. it seems that there are no people active at #spamassassin who can answer my question |
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| 09:23.20 | Guerin | s/no/on/ |
| 09:23.32 | SlayerXP | Guerin: next you'll be telling people to use a search engine to search for things |
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| 09:23.50 | Guerin | SlayerXP: man ... i hope to be in rehab before that happens |
| 09:24.09 | Orfeous | i run "spamassassin --lint" then i got this output with debug enabled http://pastebin.com/436634 |
| 09:24.13 | DM__ | i was spelling it irrsi :\ |
| 09:24.19 | DM__ | been up too long.. |
| 09:24.48 | Orfeous | DM__: make a symlink to irssi ;) |
| 09:24.49 | Guerin | nevyn: there's a tool, the name of which I can almost remember, which has decent support for a range of phones |
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| 09:24.56 | nevyn | gnokii |
| 09:25.01 | nevyn | or multisync |
| 09:25.10 | tmi | Hi all. Anyone know if it would cause any problems to upgrade libc6 to the "unstable" version? (trying to get postgresql-8.1 installed) |
| 09:25.15 | Guerin | nevyn: mostly LG and samsung; my wife's is supposedly supported, but we never could get it to work |
| 09:25.16 | nevyn | multisync is now on it's way to being opensync |
| 09:25.23 | Guerin | tmi: it would, yes. |
| 09:25.29 | DM__ | Orfeous: im a noob man, what is a symlink? :) |
| 09:25.31 | tmi | :( |
| 09:25.32 | nevyn | tmi: that would be a horribly bad idea |
| 09:25.57 | Guerin | nevyn: it's not gnokii, it's something else ... it might start with r, and it's written in python, with a gtk2 gui. |
| 09:25.57 | Orfeous | DM__: symbolic link |
| 09:26.01 | Guerin | from memory |
| 09:26.04 | nevyn | raising your tco and reducing your speed at performing enterprise tasks by up to 68% |
| 09:26.09 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:26.20 | tmi | any other good ideas? pgsql compiles just fine using apt-get source --compile, but won't install |
| 09:26.37 | SlayerXP | !wayc tmi |
| 09:26.40 | dpkg | tmi: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:27.00 | Guerin | tmi: why won't it install? paste apt output on paster |
| 09:27.12 | Guerin | tmi: and you are building it on the machine you're installing on, right? |
| 09:27.18 | DM__ | how do you whois people with irssi ? |
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| 09:27.29 | Guerin | DM__: /whois dpkg |
| 09:27.32 | SlayerXP | DM__: /part #debian; /join #irssi |
| 09:27.41 | SlayerXP | also #ircnewbies |
| 09:27.46 | DM__ | soz :) |
| 09:27.48 | DM__ | ill ak there |
| 09:27.55 | tmi | Guerin: unmet dependencies (libc6); yes |
| 09:27.56 | DM__ | whois doesent do nout btw Guerin |
| 09:28.05 | Guerin | DM__: lies |
| 09:28.09 | jm_ | yes it does, if you know how to use your IRC client |
| 09:28.28 | DM__ | lol well, if i knew how to use this irc client i wouldent be asking how to whois people ;) |
| 09:28.41 | SlayerXP | tmi: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:28.42 | jm_ | so join the channel for it and ask there |
| 09:28.51 | DM__ | i am now i know of the channel |
| 09:28.54 | Guerin | tmi: the only thing I can see which would cause that is pgsql being built against the wrong libc6 development libs |
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| 09:29.29 | DM__ | i had that problem, apt-get update libc6 |
| 09:29.42 | Guerin | DM__: please don't give stupid advice |
| 09:29.43 | nevyn | SlayerXP: innodb is. |
| 09:29.45 | SlayerXP | My "no-one uses transactions, they just slow things down" SQL |
| 09:29.59 | nevyn | SlayerXP: myisam isn't which is still the default store type |
| 09:30.07 | DM__ | well it worked for me :P |
| 09:30.13 | SlayerXP | My "we'll soon have advanced features, like row level locking, and stored procedures" SQL |
| 09:30.36 | nevyn | umm row level locking I thought they had as of v5 |
| 09:30.37 | tmi | SlayerXP: I am using apt-get; apt-get install postgresql-8.1 complains about broken depends, apt-get source at least compiles.. |
| 09:30.58 | tmi | Guerin: or perhaps I'm not installing it correctly ;( |
| 09:31.06 | dondelelcaro | tmi: uh... which dependencies are broken? |
| 09:31.15 | dondelelcaro | tmi: are you installing it on unstable? |
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| 09:31.22 | SlayerXP | tmi: are you on unstable? |
| 09:31.30 | tmi | trying to install it on stable |
| 09:31.37 | tmi | dondelelcaro: libc6.. |
| 09:31.38 | SlayerXP | tmi: well duh. |
| 09:31.40 | dondelelcaro | tmi: well, that's definetly not going to work. |
| 09:31.45 | cilkay | Woohoo! Debian running as a Xen domU now - installed using debootstrap. Mandriva is the dom0. |
| 09:31.47 | Guerin | tmi: oh. you need to specify to install YOUR packages, built against the libs you have installed |
| 09:31.57 | tmi | how? |
| 09:31.58 | dondelelcaro | tmi: get a backport. |
| 09:32.03 | Guerin | tmi: remove all traces of unstable from your sources.list immediately |
| 09:32.10 | SlayerXP | tmi: dpkg -i /path/to/your/package.deb |
| 09:32.12 | Guerin | DM__: he built it. It should work. |
| 09:32.21 | Guerin | as in, he built debian source |
| 09:32.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the question is, did he build it correctly... |
| 09:32.32 | SlayerXP | tmi: and consider youself banned from ever using unstable |
| 09:32.42 | TwistedEmotions | tmi: your going to die |
| 09:32.48 | Guerin | !your |
| 09:32.48 | dpkg | [your] the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
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| 09:32.57 | TwistedEmotions | You're going to die. |
| 09:33.08 | tmi | SlayerXP: right.. appreciate your support |
| 09:33.37 | SlayerXP | tmi: what do you need in postgres 8? |
| 09:33.45 | Guerin | SlayerXP: the 8 |
| 09:33.51 | SlayerXP | there's not all that much difference from 7, really |
| 09:34.04 | SlayerXP | not unless you're doing seriously complex stuff |
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| 09:35.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:35.12 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 09:35.17 | saintiss | hi all... I've got a P4 box here with sarge, and although USB works, if you disconnect a device you can't seem to get it reconnected again except by rebooting |
| 09:35.19 | saintiss | any ideas? |
| 09:35.23 | streuner__ | TwistedEmotions: dude, the point is NOT to teach "you" grammar here :-) |
| 09:35.30 | tarzeau | saintiss: which kernel? |
| 09:35.38 | saintiss | tarzeau, 2.6.8 |
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| 09:35.46 | SlayerXP | saintiss: are you using hotplug? is the driver statically compiled or a module? |
| 09:35.56 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: do you see the usb plug/unplug messages in dmesg? |
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| 09:36.00 | TwistedEmotions | streuner__: your being rediculous |
| 09:36.02 | tarzeau | saintiss: what usb device? stick? |
| 09:36.04 | saintiss | SlayerXP, the hotplug init.d script is executed at boot, yes |
| 09:36.06 | TwistedEmotions | ; ) Weee I win |
| 09:36.08 | saintiss | tarzeau, it's a mouse |
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| 09:36.18 | tarzeau | saintiss: in x? console or svgalib? |
| 09:36.19 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, I see the unplug message, no plug message |
| 09:36.20 | streuner__ | TwistedEmotions: hehe |
| 09:36.29 | saintiss | tarzeau, x |
| 09:36.33 | tarzeau | saintiss: is your x config right? try plug it in a few more times? |
| 09:36.37 | SlayerXP | saintiss: i asked two questions, you gave me one answer. |
| 09:36.40 | saintiss | tarzeau, it works if I reboot |
| 09:36.44 | tarzeau | saintiss: try fast, then slow, give it enough time |
| 09:36.48 | tarzeau | saintiss: yes usb sucks |
| 09:36.52 | tmi | SlayerXP: in order not to downgrade from our current installation (switching hardware, migrating to debian); not sure if our database will work with pre 8.0 software |
| 09:36.52 | tarzeau | saintiss: live with it, or don't use it |
| 09:37.00 | saintiss | SlayerXP, this concerns the default usb mouse configuration, I guess it is a module? |
| 09:37.00 | tarzeau | saintiss: don't plug it in and out so many times |
| 09:37.06 | TwistedEmotions | I feel bad for Guerin having to deal with my grade school grammer ;) |
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| 09:37.07 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: USB SUCKS |
| 09:37.13 | SlayerXP | saintiss: don't guess, make sure. |
| 09:37.25 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: and nibbles too, it drives to ladies WILD! |
| 09:37.29 | saintiss | SlayerXP, how can I find out which driver is being used for the mouse? |
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| 09:37.50 | SlayerXP | saintiss: I asked if your usb kernel setup was static or modular |
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| 09:37.59 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: can you give us the relevant dmesg output for the section where you are plugging and unplugging the device? |
| 09:38.07 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: if he's using 2.6.8, it's modular. |
| 09:38.10 | saintiss | SlayerXP, it's the default debian kernel... |
| 09:38.27 | tmi | SlayerXP: could you consider telling me what I did wrong attempting to use unstable for specific packages? |
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| 09:38.44 | saintiss | Nov 23 10:34:49 gates kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 09:38.47 | SlayerXP | tmi: you see the bit marked "unstable" ? |
| 09:38.52 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, that's what happens if you disconnect |
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| 09:38.53 | dondelelcaro | tmi: packages from unstable will almost never work on stable. |
| 09:38.55 | saintiss | nothing if you reconnect |
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| 09:39.03 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: but if you unplug it, you see the same message? |
| 09:39.08 | SlayerXP | saintiss: what USB controller is it? |
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| 09:39.18 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, yes, that's the unplug message |
| 09:39.22 | kikinovak | Hi. I just installed Sarge on my main box, with a fresh 2.6.14 kernel from kernel.org. Q: how do I activate udev with Debian? |
| 09:39.25 | SlayerXP | saintiss: I've seen this problem on OHCI chipsets and early 2.6 kernels |
| 09:39.47 | tmi | SlayerXP: afaik the alternative is to compile from source manually, which is an option I'd prefer even less :( other options would of course be appreciated |
| 09:39.48 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: so no usb 1-2.3: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7; message but only unplug messages? |
| 09:39.50 | saintiss | 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02) |
| 09:39.55 | saintiss | 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:39.58 | SlayerXP | tmi: use the stable version of postgres |
| 09:40.01 | dondelelcaro | that shouldn't happen. |
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| 09:40.07 | saintiss | SlayerXP, the first one appears 4 times in lspci |
| 09:40.21 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, exactly |
| 09:40.22 | dondelelcaro | tmi: if you don't want to compile it, use a backport from apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 09:40.23 | SlayerXP | saintiss: interesting. that's a fairly modern board you have. |
| 09:40.43 | saintiss | SlayerXP, true... you think that board isn't properly supported yet? |
| 09:40.50 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: hrm... and the usb_hid module is loaded right? try rmmod'ing it. |
| 09:40.51 | SlayerXP | saintiss: it's not impossible. |
| 09:41.00 | blondie | yeah, Linux is a bit rubbish like that ;) |
| 09:41.02 | blondie | *ducks* |
| 09:41.08 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: hotplug should do that for him |
| 09:41.15 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: in theory. |
| 09:41.20 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, not usb_hid, usbhid I can find |
| 09:41.20 | SlayerXP | saintiss: humour me, type "apt-get install hotplug" |
| 09:41.26 | dondelelcaro | $DEITY knows if it actually is... |
| 09:41.36 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: usbhid then... |
| 09:41.42 | saintiss | SlayerXP, yeah, newest version already |
| 09:41.47 | SlayerXP | hmm |
| 09:41.54 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: lsmod; and rmmod anything usb related, then plug the mouse back in. |
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| 09:42.08 | saintiss | SlayerXP, mind you it's sarge, not etch |
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| 09:42.17 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're using a non-usb keyboard, of course.) |
| 09:42.21 | SlayerXP | saintiss: shouldn't matter, I think this is a kernel issue |
| 09:42.37 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, I can't rmmod usbcore |
| 09:43.02 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: something else is using it... remove everything else, then remove it. |
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| 09:43.41 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, it said before that ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd were using it, but i rmmod'ed those |
| 09:43.44 | darkskiez | ok, so i screwed up when I created my raid array, forgot to set the number of devices to two in the mirror, so i've just added a new drive to complete the mirror but its not mirroring it as it thinks there is 1 drive and 1 spare, not 2 mirrored.. how do i fix this? |
| 09:43.48 | saintiss | now it doesn't say anymore which one is using it |
| 09:44.22 | triumph | saintiss: i had a similiar problem, dunno what is the apt equalvant, but in synaptic i had to do 'remove completly' on hotplug |
| 09:44.22 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, maybe mousedev? |
| 09:44.47 | saintiss | triumph, so you stopped using hotplug and then it worked? |
| 09:45.11 | triumph | saintiss: i re-installed hotplug afterwards and it worked |
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| 09:45.24 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: yeah, could be. in any case, remove it, then load them back. |
| 09:45.55 | triumph | saintiss: but the point is that i thought i had removed it completly but i didn't |
| 09:46.00 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, does not seem to work... mousedev has the same problem |
| 09:46.11 | saintiss | triumph, ic... |
| 09:46.15 | robertbb | Where can I pass arguments to modules in Debian? Is it done in /etc/modules, or somewhere in /etc/modutils/ ? |
| 09:46.17 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: hrm... well, try plugging in the device, and then loading the modules back. |
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| 09:46.27 | jm_ | robertbb: man modules |
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| 09:46.41 | robertbb | jm_: Okies |
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| 09:47.44 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, doesn't work |
| 09:47.50 | saintiss | I can reload the modules, but the mouse doesn't respond |
| 09:47.54 | douglas | how do i get postfix to support accounts from other domains that have my box set up in their mx? IE how can I create a "blah+asdf.com" account for postfix to keep track? |
| 09:47.55 | Knight_Lord | How good is the RAID6 from mdadm? |
| 09:48.22 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: mouse responding isn't important yet; first off make sure that you see the mouse show up in dmesg. |
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| 09:48.47 | robertbb | Knight_Lord: Benchmark's I've just finished taking at work, mdadm outperforms a 3ware PCIe SATA controller |
| 09:48.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: usb does indeed suck |
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| 09:48.55 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, doesn't as far as I can see |
| 09:48.59 | robertbb | That's in RAID5, accross 5 disks. |
| 09:49.09 | Guerin | tarzeau: never unplug your UMS device without unmounting it first |
| 09:49.14 | robertbb | (Red Hat) |
| 09:49.18 | Guerin | tarzeau: not for the device's sake |
| 09:49.35 | Guerin | but if you ever want to plug the fucker in again, you'll need to reboot first |
| 09:49.37 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: use the pastebot to paste the last of the dmesg from the unplug message that occured when you unplugged the device to the end of dmesg. |
| 09:49.44 | grozniy | can anybody help me to make ipw2200 work with kernel-2.6.14 ? |
| 09:49.52 | robertbb | It was pushing around 190MB/sec |
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| 09:50.29 | MASoft | I want compile RCSSERVER3D (for Robocup), but get this error : configure: error: check your ruby installation ! I installed all the ruby packages : ruby1.8, libruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev |
| 09:50.34 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, that's basically the line I pasted here before? |
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| 09:50.47 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: that shouldn't be the only line. |
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| 09:51.43 | saintiss | I'll reboot to make sure the mouse is back, and then disconnect it to be sure |
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| 09:52.52 | triumph | saintiss: do you use a kvm switch by any chance? |
| 09:53.01 | saintiss | triumph, never heard of that |
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| 09:53.28 | triumph | saintiss: keyboard, video, monitor switch, but ok, just checking |
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| 09:53.37 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, ONLY this line: |
| 09:53.38 | saintiss | Nov 23 10:53:14 gates kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 09:53.40 | blondie | triumph: mouse not monitor :) |
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| 09:53.52 | triumph | lol |
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| 09:53.54 | triumph | yup |
| 09:53.57 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: and when you plug it in? |
| 09:54.06 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, if I plug it back in, nothing at all |
| 09:54.27 | dondelelcaro | and you're checking dmesg|less, right? |
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| 09:54.52 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, well, less /var/log/messages, but dmesg is similar, only this: |
| 09:54.57 | saintiss | usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
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| 09:55.20 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: the command 'dmesg|less' right? not /var/log/dmesg... |
| 09:55.27 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, right |
| 09:55.31 | dondelelcaro | (although, the latter should have all of the information too...) |
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| 09:55.45 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: ok... probably a bug in the USB driver in that kernel version with your motherboard... |
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| 09:56.09 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, ok... afaics 2.6.8 is still the latest kernel? |
| 09:56.12 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: I'd try building a 2.6.14 kernel using make-kpkg |
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| 09:56.28 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: in stable, yes... but you can build 2.6.14 yourself... |
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| 09:56.38 | grozniy | anobody !!, please help me with kernel 2.6.14 and ipw2200 driver |
| 09:56.43 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, how long would you think it takes for 2.6.14 to come to etch? |
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| 09:56.56 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: I think it's already there. |
| 09:57.07 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, ic, then maybe I can upgrade to etch |
| 09:57.24 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: you can just build a newer kernel or use the kernel from unstable if you want. |
| 09:57.41 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, ic... ok, thanks for your help |
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| 09:57.47 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: just install the ipw2200-source package, and use make-kpkg --added-patches ipw2200; or use module-assistant if you're totally lost |
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| 09:58.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell grozniy -about ipw2200 |
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| 09:58.34 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, hmm, although changing to etch in apt's sources.list, and updating, then apt-get install kernel-image, doesn't show 2.6.14 yet |
| 09:58.54 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: it's linux-image |
| 09:59.43 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, it's been changed? because atm I don't have linux-image installed atm |
| 09:59.46 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: i did install it, but it doesnt work, gives me errors |
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| 10:00.10 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: then it would help if you would tell us that and let us know the errors. use the paster bot to do so. |
| 10:00.26 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: yes. it changed post sarge to allow for hurd and kfreebsd once they're ready. |
| 10:00.57 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: iam sorry but how to use paster bot ? |
| 10:01.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell grozniy -about paster |
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| 10:02.40 | darkskiez | god damn it, why isnt mdadm --grow shown on the --help |
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| 10:03.10 | nevyn | Guerin: found a lead |
| 10:03.19 | nevyn | http://www.sensi.org/~ak/openobex-usb/ |
| 10:03.23 | dondelelcaro | darkskiez: because manpages are far more complete than a simple --help |
| 10:03.46 | darkskiez | dondelelcaro: yes, but its one of the 7 major modes of operation |
| 10:04.08 | saintiss | dondelelcaro, upgrading the kernel seems to have done it... thanks :) |
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| 10:04.53 | dondelelcaro | saintiss: cool. |
| 10:05.08 | dondelelcaro | darkskiez: *shrug*; file a bug. |
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| 10:06.32 | eleftherios | hm, anyone knows what's the best way to install a LISP environement with SLIME on Debian (Etch)? |
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| 10:07.03 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: I submited all errors to paster bot |
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| 10:07.09 | Diggity | guys whats the easiest way to locate and remove unused apps without breaking dependancies? |
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| 10:07.29 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: what was the url that it gave you? |
| 10:07.41 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: tried apt-get install clisp? |
| 10:07.47 | adrinux | Diggity: aptitude |
| 10:07.51 | dondelelcaro | Diggity: use deborphan or aptitude. |
| 10:08.01 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, I am using SBCL |
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| 10:08.05 | adrinux | though you still need to decide what you are or are not using |
| 10:08.09 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1163 |
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| 10:08.52 | Diggity | i just want to remove the 5 different types of PDF viewers that debian installs and all the crappy games and so forth |
| 10:09.06 | Diggity | just make it clean and mean |
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| 10:09.12 | Diggity | no fluff |
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| 10:09.31 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn still awake? |
| 10:09.35 | silverton | Diggity, do a network install then, and just install the shit you want |
| 10:09.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: unfortunatly... |
| 10:09.48 | Diggity | so aptitude with the purge option? |
| 10:10.03 | dondelelcaro | Diggity: just mark the things that you don't know about as automatically installed. |
| 10:10.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. working on my paper which is due tomorrow.. (= |
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| 10:10.14 | grozniy | hi everyone |
| 10:10.17 | dondelelcaro | if they're needed, they will stay. If not, they will go. |
| 10:10.24 | bibe | !hi grozniy |
| 10:10.25 | dpkg | Many greetings, grozniy, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 10:11.00 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: hrm... that's not really supposed to happen. You used ma to do the compile, right? What was the output from ma? |
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| 10:11.35 | Guerin | 'ask pa' |
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| 10:11.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you weren't the output from ma? |
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| 10:12.04 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: different build cycle |
| 10:12.04 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: yes, i did it manualy and using ma, but still the same error |
| 10:12.30 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: uh... if you did it manually, odds are that you didn't use the right compiler options. |
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| 10:13.45 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: no uhh... the driver which is installed on my mashin is installed using ma |
| 10:14.27 | nimak | how can i get libdvdcss? |
| 10:14.43 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: i did installed 10... times using manual and ma options as it was writen in the documentation |
| 10:14.44 | dondelelcaro | !libdvdcss |
| 10:14.45 | dpkg | methinks libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 10:15.15 | nimak | thanks |
| 10:16.05 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: well, that symbol isn't being exported; odds are that the version of ipw2200 that you're compiling isn't compatible with 2.6.14; file a bug and try with an older kernel. |
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| 10:17.32 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: ok ;( thanks |
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| 10:17.56 | nimak | i like it when stuff works |
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| 10:18.23 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: actually, first, make sure you've built and loaded ieee80211-source |
| 10:18.42 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: then try to load ipw2200. |
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| 10:19.24 | kryl | hi |
| 10:19.31 | kryl | is there a line command tool to configure the network please ? |
| 10:19.58 | kryl | I don't know why I think it's a kernel problem but the /etc/network/run link is false :-( |
| 10:20.08 | kryl | anyone can help me about that please ? |
| 10:20.26 | Diggity | are you trying to configure your network as root? or a standard user |
| 10:20.27 | Diggity | ? |
| 10:20.36 | kryl | root |
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| 10:21.21 | dondelelcaro | kryl: run /usr/bin/sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:21.52 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: ofcause i installed ieee80211 first, owerwise i wouldnt be able to install ipw driver , but thanks anyway |
| 10:22.00 | dondelelcaro | kryl: or, if /etc/network/run isn't linking, it means that you don't have devshm running. |
| 10:22.15 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: so lsmod shows ieee80211 loaded, right? |
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| 10:23.35 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 10:23.55 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to use DI to install a system on RAID6? |
| 10:24.09 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: i have no errors when modprobing ieee80211 |
| 10:24.24 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: and what version of ieee80211 do you have loaded? |
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| 10:24.46 | frehal | need some help i trashed my webmin installation. And i want to reset the webmin i did via apt-get i can not do apt-get remove is there some other way i can do it? |
| 10:25.05 | Guerin | frehal: aptitude purge webmin-* |
| 10:25.12 | Guerin | frehal: that'll fix it for good! |
| 10:25.14 | dondelelcaro | frehal: why can't you use apt-get remove? |
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| 10:25.19 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 10:25.20 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 10:25.24 | kryl | ok |
| 10:26.09 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: 1.1.6-2 |
| 10:26.55 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: ipw2200 version 1.0.8 |
| 10:28.17 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: and what does grep WIRELESS_EXT /usr/include/linux/wireless.h; return? |
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| 10:29.27 | kryl | dondelelcaro, where can I add devshm to my kernel ??? |
| 10:29.29 | dondelelcaro | pcalcina: it's /join |
| 10:29.30 | Guerin | pcalcina: / |
| 10:29.34 | dondelelcaro | kryl: in your .config |
| 10:29.42 | pcalcina | :P |
| 10:29.45 | dondelelcaro | kryl: if you ls -l /dev/shm/ you should see a run directory there. |
| 10:29.50 | pcalcina | thnx |
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| 10:30.04 | kryl | dondelelcaro, I know but is it : CONFIG_TMPFS ?? |
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| 10:30.45 | kryl | there isn't run directory in place but I have CONFIG_TMPFS selected in .config ... |
| 10:30.48 | dondelelcaro | kryl: yes. |
| 10:30.54 | kryl | is it normal ?. |
| 10:31.09 | dondelelcaro | kryl: if mount; returns /dev/shm, then it's working, and something just deleted /dev/shm/run |
| 10:31.12 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to boot from RAID5 or RAID6? |
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| 10:31.23 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: generally speaking, no. |
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| 10:31.58 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: just make a tiny boot partition on all of the raid devices, and stick the kernel and boot loarder there, and make it raid 1. |
| 10:32.16 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro ok but i'm more interested in raid 5 or 6 |
| 10:32.20 | kryl | # mount|grep tmpfs && grep TMPFS .config |
| 10:32.20 | kryl | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 10:32.20 | kryl | CONFIG_TMPFS=y |
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| 10:32.33 | kryl | and I don't have run in /dev/shm !! |
| 10:32.34 | dondelelcaro | kryl: yeah, that's fine; something just deleted the run directory. |
| 10:32.36 | Diggity | guys what does the pink highlight indicate under aptitude? broken packages? |
| 10:32.50 | kryl | Uh :) |
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| 10:32.56 | dondelelcaro | Diggity: broken packages are usually in red. |
| 10:33.00 | kryl | something like what? |
| 10:33.04 | nevyn | pink... to be removed |
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| 10:33.13 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro apparetly it's possible with raid 5 but i still didn't find anything abou it |
| 10:33.18 | nevyn | or purged |
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| 10:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: well, it would depend on the boot loader. I've never seen a robust setup with booting directly off of raid 5. It's quite possible to have / be raid5, though. |
| 10:34.05 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro lilo or grub I can use which one works the bes |
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| 10:34.12 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:34.17 | nevyn | evening |
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| 10:34.25 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: either. I'd just use them with a small raid 1 boot partition on the beginning of the drive. |
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| 10:34.42 | dondelelcaro | you seriously only need to spend ~30M of space on it. |
| 10:35.03 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro i see your point, but then if those 2 disks fail i still lose the OS |
| 10:35.19 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: raid 1 doesn't need to be only 2 disks. |
| 10:35.27 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro ah that i didn't know |
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| 10:35.29 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: you do it across the entire raid array. |
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| 10:35.36 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro so i can use like 15 disks for raid1 |
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| 10:35.41 | dondelelcaro | indeed, your boot partition will be far more robust then your raid5. |
| 10:35.51 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro raid6 i hope :-) |
| 10:36.00 | kryl | dondelelcaro, run directory is add to /dev/shm automatically at boot normally isn't it ? |
| 10:36.00 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro that's not bad |
| 10:36.00 | dondelelcaro | whatever... |
| 10:36.06 | dondelelcaro | kryl: yes. |
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| 10:36.17 | kryl | I don't understand why run can be deleted ! |
| 10:36.29 | js_ | Knight_Lord: but 15 disks in raid1 will leave one unused |
| 10:36.42 | dondelelcaro | js_: it shouldn't. |
| 10:36.43 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: should i paste the output here ? |
| 10:36.48 | js_ | dondelelcaro: how come? |
| 10:36.49 | kryl | I have the problem after a dist-upgrade |
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| 10:36.54 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: it should just be one line. |
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| 10:37.06 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro so i basically can lose 10 disks and go happy with the other 5 if i use raid1 on the 15 disks |
| 10:37.24 | dondelelcaro | js_: raid1 doesn't need to come in pairs... that's just the typical setup. |
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| 10:37.29 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: #define WIRELESS_EXT 18 |
| 10:37.29 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.36 | js_ | dondelelcaro: oh.. i see |
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| 10:38.09 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: ok, then I don't understand why you're seeing that error, because you're exporting that symbol in iee80211. |
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| 10:39.01 | quest_ | hi, i see some squares instead of characters in kde, what can i install? |
| 10:39.27 | verden | i have a server running IPcop that has my 2 computers connected to it and i have sarge installed on these. I would like to know how to network my computers so i can access them |
| 10:39.50 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: i think i should wait a bit, till someone will resolve this ;) |
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| 10:40.11 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: you're sure you've loaded the iee80211 module you compiled, right? |
| 10:40.22 | yang | If i type netstat I cant get a full IPv6 address, how can i specify to see the full address? |
| 10:40.24 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: :))) yes i am very sure |
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| 10:41.15 | cilkay | Is there a Debian for Red Hat/Fedora/Mandriva admins guide anywhere? I feel like a fish out of water doing basic things like starting/stopping services, checking which debs are installed, etc. |
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| 10:41.38 | liable | !reference |
| 10:41.39 | dpkg | reference is, like, The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
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| 10:41.48 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: and nm ieee80211.ko|grep ieee80211_wx_set_encodeext; shows the symbols, right? |
| 10:42.22 | streuner | chilkay: newbiedoc.sf.net is worse to take a look at too |
| 10:42.44 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: sorry what is nm ? |
| 10:42.53 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: it lists symbols in files. |
| 10:43.06 | js_ | what do i need in my kernel to be able to use udev? |
| 10:43.14 | streuner | cilkay: ^^^ |
| 10:43.36 | jm_ | js_: udev web page explains it |
| 10:44.07 | js_ | thanks |
| 10:44.53 | streuner | cilkay: EXAMPLE: "DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #18 How do you DISABLE A NETWORK SERVICE? There are several ways network services are made available: for inetd items, modify /etc/inetd.conf and then /etc/init.d/inetd restart. For independently-running daemons, try /etc/init.d/[daemon] stop (or to permanently zap them, apt-get --purge remove [daemon])." |
| 10:45.23 | cilkay | I miss chkconfig already :) |
| 10:45.48 | dimir | yakkk! |
| 10:45.51 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: where should i run this ? |
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| 10:46.50 | cilkay | I don't see anything for mysql in /etc/init.d but it is allegedly installed. |
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| 10:47.43 | dondelelcaro | grozniy: run it on the module .ko itself. |
| 10:47.50 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: which mysql? |
| 10:47.59 | cilkay | 4 |
| 10:48.19 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: did you install mysql-server? or just mysql-client? |
| 10:48.20 | cilkay | It got dragged in as a dependency for vhcs2 |
| 10:48.33 | covux | can anyone confirm that after update to latest libasound (sid) dmix doesnt work anymore with ice1724 chipset based soundcard? |
| 10:48.51 | dondelelcaro | !+find init.d/mysql |
| 10:48.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:49.00 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: if they can confirm it, there will be a bug filed. |
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| 10:49.08 | dondelelcaro | s/cilkay/covux/ |
| 10:49.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'init.d/mysql' (1): (/etc/init.d/{mysql|mysql-ndb|mysql-ndb-mgm}) in misc/mysql-server-4.1,misc/mysql-server-5.0. |
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| 10:49.22 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 10:49.47 | berkes | hello, |
| 10:50.01 | berkes | since some time, my server is no longer loggin, |
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| 10:50.22 | streuner | berkes: hm, df -h? |
| 10:50.34 | berkes | when I try to start /etc/init.d/syslog-ng it says it cannot open /prok/kmsg |
| 10:50.39 | streuner | berkes: it would be the simple solution ;-) |
| 10:50.42 | berkes | for reading, that is |
| 10:51.02 | berkes | streuner: no, the diskspace is fine |
| 10:51.20 | berkes | /dev/hdv1 1.5G 1.2G 320M 79% / |
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| 10:51.52 | berkes | any idea why syslog cannot read /proc/kmsg ? |
| 10:52.23 | berkes | or should I simply comment out that line in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf and no longer log kernel messages |
| 10:52.27 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.28 | grozniy | /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko |
| 10:52.28 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.06 | streuner | berkes: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 10:53.20 | berkes | Linux version 2.6.12.4p4-vs2.0 (root@slycl753) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 7 13:40:50 CEST 2005 |
| 10:53.29 | verden | i have a server running IPcop that has my 2 computers connected to it and i have sarge installed on these. I would like to know how to network my computers so i can access them |
| 10:54.11 | streuner | berkes: anyway, what did you change? |
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| 10:54.35 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: so in /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211 doesnt shows any symbol |
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| 10:54.42 | berkes | streuner: nothing afaikr |
| 10:55.35 | streuner | berkes: you changed something, because i haven't /etc/init.d/syslog-ng wheater on one of my server or on my desktop-system |
| 10:56.25 | berkes | streuner: hmm, this is a virtual private debian server, that might be different from yours |
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| 10:57.01 | grozniy | dondelelcaro: in this location /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko it shows that those lines |
| 10:57.10 | den^_^ | dalnet |
| 10:57.18 | den^_^ | den^_^ |
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| 10:57.56 | kryl | I really don't find why I don't have run in /dev/shm :) if I add it manually and I restart the computer I'll lost data ? |
| 10:58.30 | drac | What does "run in /dev/shm" mean? |
| 10:58.32 | cilkay | verden: turn the DHCP server on in your IPCop machine and setup your Debian machines to acquire their IP addresses via DHCP. That's it. If you wish, you can configure the DHCP server to consistently hand out the same IP address and set up a hostname for it in IPCop so that you you can refer to your machines on the network by hostname. |
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| 10:59.32 | drac | blondie doesn't have tmpfs support in kernel, wonder why.. |
| 10:59.50 | blondie | hmm |
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| 10:59.58 | blondie | mount says tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 11:00.02 | blondie | but it's not there |
| 11:00.04 | verden | cilkay, dhcp not the problem its setting up nfs |
| 11:00.18 | blondie | oh, I lie |
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| 11:00.26 | blondie | it IS there |
| 11:00.28 | verden | so my computers can access each others files |
| 11:00.29 | blondie | it's empty though |
| 11:01.19 | cilkay | verden: IPCop has nothing to do with NFS. I just use ssh/scp to do that. In Konqueror, fish://remoteHost gets you a listing of the remote host's directory. Works great. |
| 11:01.24 | ajkroll | any app *like* gksu that is more like 'super' so I don't have to have to enter a password to switch to super user to run a program in X? |
| 11:02.04 | drac | ajkroll: sudo |
| 11:02.08 | verden | thanx |
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| 11:02.16 | ajkroll | even gksudo asks for a passwrod |
| 11:02.27 | ajkroll | errm password |
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| 11:02.43 | ajkroll | plain sudo loses Xatority |
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| 11:02.50 | ajkroll | ermmm Xathority |
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| 11:03.10 | ajkroll | it's the last hurdle in setting up a system for a friend |
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| 11:09.47 | Daffy-PKF | does someone here uses vsftpd? i have local users chrooted in /var/world, is there any way that they can navigate in /var/world AND in their home directory if they have one? |
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| 11:11.59 | nevyn | hard link? |
| 11:14.05 | Daffy-PKF | nevyn> hmmm, /home and /var are on differents partitions. a symlink wouldn't work right? |
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| 11:20.01 | cilkay | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: courier-webadmin is not installed |
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| 11:20.14 | kryl | drac, I don't have run in /dev/shm ... that's the problem |
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| 11:20.31 | nevyn | Daffy-PKF: it is worth a shot. |
| 11:20.32 | kryl | and I don't understand why |
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| 11:21.18 | ajitabhpandey | hello, does anyone have a detailed knowledge of autoloading kernel modules in debian. I have found multiple ways to do that |
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| 11:21.43 | Tchiak | 1 hr 4 min until sun rise |
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| 11:22.07 | toonx | how can i add a new dir in PATH ? without loosing the old dirs i have in PATH , like /bin .. |
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| 11:22.33 | ajitabhpandey | /etc/modprobe.conf, /etc/modules and then /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 11:23.11 | jm_ | ajitabhpandey: so? |
| 11:23.16 | ajitabhpandey | and /etc/modules.conf |
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| 11:23.37 | ajitabhpandey | I setup NIC bonding successfully |
| 11:23.38 | Whitman | toonx: PATH=$PATH:<newdir> |
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| 11:24.40 | ajitabhpandey | and to autoload the bonding driver at boot time, I created file /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 11:24.51 | ajitabhpandey | and added alias bond0 bonding |
| 11:24.51 | ajitabhpandey | options bond0 miimon=100 mode=1 downdelay=2000 |
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| 11:25.45 | ajitabhpandey | another way was to use the modconf utility which modified /etc/modules file and creating a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 11:26.07 | toonx | Whitman many thanks |
| 11:26.14 | ajitabhpandey | jm_: are you there? |
| 11:26.19 | Whitman | toonx: no problem |
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| 11:27.29 | jm_ | ajitabhpandey: yes |
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| 11:29.39 | ajitabhpandey | jm_: any idea about which is the right method to autoload the modiles at boot time |
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| 11:30.27 | ajitabhpandey | jm_: i listed two different methods above which does the same thing using different configuration files |
| 11:30.48 | ajitabhpandey | jm_: surely all of them cant be right, one of them must be obsolete or depricated |
| 11:31.24 | jm_ | ajitabhpandey: all of them are right |
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| 11:32.16 | ajitabhpandey | jm_:ok, so there is no Debian preferred method or so? |
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| 11:33.04 | jm_ | ajitabhpandey: /etc/modules has been in place for many years now, otherwise use /etc/mopdrobe.d way (or modconf as you did it) |
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| 11:46.05 | blondie | but they are pretty |
| 11:46.15 | Tortel | color=good |
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| 11:46.55 | Tortel | color makes everything spicy |
| 11:47.01 | Tortel | and gooood... |
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| 11:48.25 | Noobish | http://tnt-ownz.net/ visit us, enjoy |
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| 11:48.54 | zumbi | !hi |
| 11:48.54 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 11:49.15 | zumbi | who rules the best apt or aptitude ? |
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| 11:49.23 | muerd | helo |
| 11:49.49 | loxley_ | zumbi: what ever floats your boat |
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| 11:49.55 | muerd | anybody know s how to map the keyboard? |
| 11:50.10 | muerd | i have lost my backspace |
| 11:50.45 | Phated | C-h! |
| 11:50.49 | muerd | do you know who is the backspace keysym |
| 11:50.55 | Phated | Nope, sorry. |
| 11:50.58 | muerd | help |
| 11:51.08 | dimir | whyismyspacebarnotworking?!?!??!??!??!??!?!?!??!?!?! |
| 11:51.17 | Tortel | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.18 | kryl | I have to install debian with PXE to a laptop. The ethernet card is : Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) |
| 11:51.29 | petemc | muerd: try stty erase <press backspace> |
| 11:51.42 | muerd | i was pmapping mi keyboard |
| 11:52.07 | muerd | sorruy how |
| 11:52.13 | muerd | sorry how |
| 11:52.21 | Tortel | mi? |
| 11:52.29 | Tortel | wtf m8^ |
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| 11:52.33 | neil | Hi I have what I think is a strange permissions problem. I want to create a website for myself. I change the '/var/www' group to 'www-data' and is flags to give wright permissions to the group, and put myself in the 'www-data' group. But I still cant create any directorys in '/var/www'. why? |
| 11:52.38 | Tortel | english pwns hir |
| 11:52.52 | nevyn | I think mines just corrupt tho. |
| 11:52.57 | muerd | sorry i dont know how to do it |
| 11:53.01 | nevyn | it's icing on the simplest test case. |
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| 11:53.31 | Beleys | Bonjour |
| 11:54.32 | muerd | i was doing xmodmap -e '22=backspace' but dont works |
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| 11:54.54 | muerd | i was doing xmodmap -e 'keycode 22=backspace' but dont works |
| 11:54.55 | loxley_ | neil: do the group have 'w' chmoded? |
| 11:55.10 | muerd | it dont know backspace |
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| 11:55.18 | ara-fat32 | hi |
| 11:55.21 | kryl | I need to use the bcm5700 driver. |
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| 11:55.47 | vwirem | apt mplayer |
| 11:55.49 | apt | methinks mplayer is read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
| 11:55.54 | ara-fat32 | someone has shower curtain rings? |
| 11:56.00 | kryl | this driver is in debian with bcm5700-source but it isn't supported in the mini-install-lan.iso |
| 11:56.08 | kryl | how to add such a driver to an installation iso ? |
| 11:57.32 | neil | loxley: yes "drwxrwxr-x 3 root www-data 4096 2005-11-23 18:40 www" |
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| 11:57.54 | sep | kryl, i'd imagine it would be easier to do a debootstrap install from knoppix or similar. then making a custom installer. |
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| 11:59.28 | kryl | sep I'm lost :) |
| 11:59.48 | loxley_ | neil: logged in and out after you added yourself to the www-data group? |
| 11:59.55 | sep | kryl, then do a /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 12:00.25 | neil | does debian use the 'selinux' system? |
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| 12:00.49 | testmachine | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 12:00.50 | kryl | oh ok :) |
| 12:00.56 | testmachine | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 12:00.57 | testmachine | never seen this before |
| 12:00.58 | testmachine | :/ |
| 12:01.09 | testmachine | just do a forced dist-upgrade then? |
| 12:01.17 | kryl | but it's not the pb sep, I'll have to compile the module for a knoppix two I think |
| 12:01.20 | testmachine | force-yes option? |
| 12:01.22 | neil | loxley: no I haven't, is anyway I can avoid a logout? |
| 12:01.34 | kryl | and I don't know how to boot knoppix from pxe !! |
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| 12:02.06 | Talnakh__ | guys, i ve tried to install antis on debian sarge. and i just cat make PHP4 work on the apache 1. every time i try to access the page it gives me you ve chosen to open file of type application/x-httpd-php . i make aconclusion that PHP is not really running on this machine. i ve installed apache 1, mod_php4 and php on that machine. still no luck. |
| 12:02.16 | sep | kryl, knoppix would have been a replacement for pxe booting |
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| 12:02.23 | loxley_ | neil: update-passwd |
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| 12:02.44 | neil | loxley: ok I will have a look. |
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| 12:02.54 | kryl | I have to verify if this version support bcm5700 driver |
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| 12:05.00 | sep | kryl, you could also try to load the tg3 driver that's in the kernel. dont kow if if works on your partiqular chipset, but worth a shot |
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| 12:05.29 | kryl | I allready try this driver, it doesn't run :-( |
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| 12:07.59 | testmachine | maar al andere oplossing |
| 12:08.15 | testmachine | oops wrong window |
| 12:08.19 | dimir | :-) |
| 12:08.33 | Talnakh__ | guys, i ve tried to install Mantis (issue tracker) on debian sarge. and i just cat make PHP4 work on the apache 1. every time i try to access the page it gives me you ve chosen to open file of type application/x-httpd-php . i make aconclusion that PHP is not really running on this machine. i ve installed apache 1, mod_php4 and php on that machine. still no luck. |
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| 12:11.33 | loxley_ | Talnakh__: check that the php module is loaded in httpd.conf |
| 12:11.41 | Talnakh__ | checking |
| 12:13.29 | jm_ | did you restart apache? did you restart web browser? |
| 12:13.49 | cahoot | Talnakh__: /var/log/apache/error.log probably tells you what modules are in effect enabled for your apache |
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| 12:14.53 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to rebuild dpkg database? |
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| 12:15.04 | jm_ | ruben: restore from backup |
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| 12:15.33 | ruben | I deleted all mysql packages and dpkg -l shows me yet :( |
| 12:15.45 | jm_ | shows you yet? |
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| 12:16.03 | ruben | well, my english is rare |
| 12:16.04 | ruben | xD |
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| 12:16.13 | ruben | shows mysql packages |
| 12:16.16 | Blackhold | hello |
| 12:16.23 | jm_ | pay attention to the state of the packages though |
| 12:16.44 | xfan | very rare xD |
| 12:17.06 | Blackhold | there's in linux an application that creates a full image from a machine, to then copy it at other machines? I would liketo do it through net lan |
| 12:17.34 | xfan | ruben : dpkg-rebuild |
| 12:17.41 | ruben | ahh, thanks |
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| 12:18.37 | shorty | anyone here use a decent ip planning database? (looking to integrate it in with djbdns at some stage) |
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| 12:19.39 | ajkroll | blackhold: what exactly do you mean by a "full image" |
| 12:20.06 | Blackhold | ajkroll: a ghost |
| 12:20.14 | ajkroll | man dd |
| 12:20.28 | ruben | xfan: |
| 12:20.29 | ruben | dpkg-rebuild |
| 12:20.30 | ruben | -su: dpkg-rebuild: command not found |
| 12:20.39 | Ronin | Blackhold: doesnt ghost work on linux? i cant recall anymore |
| 12:20.41 | cilkay | Blackhold: mondo, bacula, systemimager come to mind |
| 12:20.42 | ajkroll | if your adventurous, and would like to try my backup system, I can give you the url for that |
| 12:20.57 | xfan | this came with a debian package, i dont remember the name now |
| 12:21.14 | jm_ | ruben: your system is OK, nothing is wrong, read the FAQ |
| 12:21.54 | xfan | ruben : http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/projects/dpkg-rebuild |
| 12:21.56 | ruben | but, I don't remove mysql! |
| 12:22.09 | jm_ | ruben: are you from Spain? |
| 12:22.13 | ruben | yes |
| 12:22.14 | ruben | xD |
| 12:22.15 | jm_ | !es |
| 12:22.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:22.18 | jm_ | there |
| 12:22.24 | ruben | thanks |
| 12:22.33 | Blackhold | no no, it is not a backup |
| 12:22.44 | Blackhold | is a copy of disk and configuration |
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| 12:22.56 | ajkroll | blakhold: yea, I know what your saying, but there's no reason you can't use a backup system to image |
| 12:23.37 | ajkroll | blackhold: ftp://dr.ea.ms/pub/ajkrollsstuff/parallelbackup,tgz after you run it, it will tell you the other things you need (with complete urls) |
| 12:23.44 | ajkroll | ermm |
| 12:23.50 | ajkroll | blackhold: ftp://dr.ea.ms/pub/ajkrollsstuff/parallelbackup.tgz after you run it, it will tell you the other things you need (with complete urls) |
| 12:23.54 | ajkroll | (sorry) |
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| 12:24.33 | Blackhold | I'm going to see it |
| 12:24.41 | ajkroll | basically it needs make and ajkafio, you can send cd-sized archives of data over nfs to a target, and unpackage them there |
| 12:25.01 | ajkroll | that's basically how ghost does it too |
| 12:25.17 | ajkroll | if you got the hdd live, there is no other way to 'ghost' it |
| 12:25.18 | plbgnr | hello, I want to automatically replace space with _ in names of files in directory. Is there something for it? |
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| 12:25.29 | Blackhold | this is what i have to put to a floppy? |
| 12:25.35 | ajkroll | doing dd on a live (mounted) partition is a bad thing to do |
| 12:25.37 | Blackhold | or I have to install it? |
| 12:26.18 | ajkroll | just install it and follow the instructions, my backup system is designed specificly for live systems |
| 12:26.19 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 12:26.36 | ajkroll | be sure to read the readme's etc |
| 12:26.59 | jm_ | plbgnr: yes |
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| 12:28.21 | ajkroll | blackhold: I can't /msg.... |
| 12:28.50 | Ronin | ajkroll: identify to services then |
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| 12:29.15 | ajkroll | ronin: nahh I'm not here often enough to bother filling up a database |
| 12:29.25 | plbgnr | jm_:ok and name of that package?pls |
| 12:29.36 | ajkroll | I'll just ctcp with him |
| 12:29.36 | Ronin | heh one more nick in a system designed for it? hardly filling it up :) |
| 12:29.38 | ajkroll | ;-) |
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| 12:30.19 | ajkroll | blackhold: just start a ctcp chat w/me instead |
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| 12:31.30 | ajkroll | ronin: problem is I am on 4 networks now, I just decided to see what's up here |
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| 12:32.06 | plbgnr | jm_: ok I found one http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/150 ...rename :) |
| 12:32.13 | ajkroll | ronin: btw, don't vomit, but I got linspire's frontend dialer to pengy working for a customer so she can have her stupid aol... and her stupid winmodem... |
| 12:32.28 | ajkroll | ronin: it was the ugliest set of hacks I have had to do in a long time |
| 12:32.54 | jm_ | plbgnr: yes, that or mmv |
| 12:33.34 | Caldrin | Hi! I found a bug, but don't know, who or what is responsible for it. Whenever I install a new kernel-image with apt-get install, I end up with my own entries deleted from /boot/grub/menu.lst. Whom should I send my bugreport? To apt-, grub- or kernelpackage-maintainers? |
| 12:33.59 | ajkroll | OOooOOOOooo... that's a good one |
| 12:34.24 | ajkroll | almost as good as the famd hole I quietly submitted a year ago |
| 12:34.28 | Ronin | ajkroll: heh |
| 12:35.09 | plbgnr | jm_:ok thanks (I used this rename 's/ /_/g' *.*) |
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| 12:35.47 | ajkroll | I have found a konquerer bug today too |
| 12:36.09 | ajkroll | donno if it's really a bug, or a misbehaving website yet |
| 12:36.15 | xfan | how is the bug ? |
| 12:36.33 | ajkroll | aol webmail, it doesn't seem to like it, but mozilla is fine |
| 12:36.58 | xfan | maybe its a aol bug |
| 12:37.19 | ajkroll | http://webmail.aol.com |
| 12:37.24 | ajkroll | An error occurred while loading http://webmail.aol.com: |
| 12:37.25 | ajkroll | Found a cyclic link in http://mail.aol.com/Help/detail_misc_sysrequirements.aspx. |
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| 12:37.43 | ajkroll | however mozilla is fine with that site |
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| 12:38.42 | ajkroll | it's interesting none-the-less |
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| 12:38.49 | jm_ | plbgnr: *.* is DOS-ish syntax for all files, * is enough in Unix world |
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| 12:39.30 | saintiss | hmm, does anyone know how I can install a UTF-8 locale? |
| 12:39.34 | saintiss | uxterm is complaining it doesn't find one |
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| 12:39.40 | tarzeau | saintiss: for what software? |
| 12:39.44 | saintiss | tarzeau, uxterm |
| 12:39.45 | tarzeau | saintiss: install locales package? |
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| 12:39.58 | tarzeau | saintiss: then say dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 12:40.21 | tarzeau | saintiss: and then all the software you have in uxterm can handle utf-8? |
| 12:40.33 | saintiss | dpkg-reconfigure... hmm, let's see |
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| 12:41.21 | Caldrin | Does nobody know or is this question off topic in here? |
| 12:41.26 | cirdan | hey all |
| 12:41.33 | cirdan | is NAPI known to be buggy? |
| 12:41.42 | saintiss | tarzeau, hmm, brilliant, thanks :) |
| 12:41.46 | tarzeau | Caldrin: read menu.lst of grub |
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| 12:41.55 | tarzeau | Caldrin: you have put your own stuff at the wrong place. this is not a bug |
| 12:42.02 | cirdan | i have an e1000 i just got, to replace a realtek gigabit, and i managed to panic it after 70G or so |
| 12:42.02 | tarzeau | cirdan: what's napi? |
| 12:42.07 | ajkroll | caldrin: check debian website for reporting bug procedure |
| 12:42.12 | saintiss | tarzeau, where are these locales generated actually? |
| 12:42.14 | cirdan | Rx Polling |
| 12:42.21 | Nirga1 | Caldrin: Probably not apt |
| 12:42.27 | tarzeau | saintiss: can you not find out? |
| 12:42.38 | cirdan | hrm |
| 12:42.39 | tarzeau | saintiss: i only use locales with GNUstep applications, nothing else |
| 12:42.48 | saintiss | tarzeau, how could I find out? |
| 12:42.52 | cirdan | !lart panics |
| 12:42.56 | tarzeau | saintiss: why would i care? |
| 12:43.08 | ajkroll | http://www.debian.org/contact.en-gb.html#packageproblems |
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| 12:43.16 | quest_ | ed |
| 12:43.16 | quest_ | :) |
| 12:43.17 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to go from RAID5 to RAID6 withuot losing data? |
| 12:43.21 | saintiss | tarzeau, I'm not sure... you're free to help or not I guess |
| 12:43.48 | quest_ | hi, i have problems installing fonts, what should i install? |
| 12:43.58 | Caldrin | well, thanks. |
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| 12:44.39 | ajkroll | caldrin: np, worked for me |
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| 12:45.51 | tarzeau | saintiss: exactly |
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| 12:46.04 | tarzeau | saintiss: why would one want locales in the console? |
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| 12:46.16 | tarzeau | saintiss: to get the sensless horrible translations that nobody understands? |
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| 12:46.42 | tarzeau | oh wait we are only talking about encoding |
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| 12:46.55 | tarzeau | not language. anyways. half of the tools can't handle utf-8 |
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| 12:47.28 | ajkroll | 'C' works for everything ;-) |
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| 12:47.34 | tarzeau | ajkroll: that's what i use |
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| 12:47.50 | ajkroll | same here |
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| 12:48.19 | Eclipser | LANG? |
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| 12:48.50 | Eclipser | en_US.ISO-8859-15 ... |
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| 12:50.39 | prog | I would like to ask you. During connection to proftpd I have several seconds timeout. I found that proftpd is trying connect to auth service(113). How can I disable it ? Thank you!!! |
| 12:50.42 | quest_ | can anyone help my to eliminate those squares instead of characters? |
| 12:51.22 | tarzeau | quest_: screenshot? |
| 12:51.46 | quest_ | tarzeau, what do you meanP? |
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| 12:51.59 | tarzeau | quest_: what squares? |
| 12:52.24 | saintiss | tarzeau, heh, in this case i just wanted to get uxterm running, that's all :) |
| 12:52.51 | quest_ | tarzeau, in some kde windows i see squares instead of seeing something written in it( maybe a font problem) |
| 12:52.57 | lollipop | can anyone assist me with a little udev problem? |
| 12:53.08 | plbgnr | jm_:hm yes but I meant files that have '.' in name; but I'm thinking now that I was wrong ...it should be:for f in `ls -a|grep -e '\.'`;do rename 's/ /_/g' $f;done |
| 12:53.18 | tarzeau | quest_: yes maybe you should show us a screenshot |
| 12:53.29 | tarzeau | quest_: and also tell what version of kde you have exactly |
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| 12:53.47 | lollipop | I was running 2.6.14 on a miniitx board, everything worked fine |
| 12:53.51 | tarzeau | saintiss: i can type uxterm, and it runs. what's the problem? |
| 12:54.06 | quest_ | tarzeau, after i take a screeshot how can i show you? |
| 12:54.09 | lollipop | I went ahead and installed udev, which removed module-init-tools |
| 12:54.19 | lollipop | then i rebooted |
| 12:54.45 | tarzeau | quest_: apt-get install thttpd, and put it into /var/www |
| 12:54.59 | saintiss | tarzeau, it's fixed now, I indeed had to reconfigure locales, and enable one UTF-8 locale |
| 12:55.04 | saintiss | tarzeau, if not, then it won't run |
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| 12:55.39 | quest_ | i think it is firewalled by the router, but i can try |
| 12:55.48 | lollipop | when it came up it init spewed INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes, and wouldn't allow me to login |
| 12:56.12 | lollipop | when I boot into single user mode, lsmod reports: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 12:56.17 | lollipop | any ideas |
| 12:56.29 | tarzeau | lollipop: did you google? |
| 12:56.42 | lollipop | yea, but I did'nt find anything |
| 12:56.55 | lollipop | did I install udev incorrectly? |
| 12:57.07 | tarzeau | lollipop: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3891 |
| 12:57.09 | jeanjacques | i have a problem using apt-get, it's returning me this error message Read-only file system |
| 12:57.13 | jeanjacques | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) what could i do ? |
| 12:57.26 | tarzeau | lollipop: i wonder what you did google for. there's plenty to be found |
| 12:57.41 | tarzeau | jeanjacques: remount the disk rw? |
| 12:57.52 | tarzeau | jeanjacques: did you have a power outage or just turn the machine off? |
| 12:58.03 | tarzeau | jeanjacques: check mount, then fsck, then mount -o rw,remount / |
| 12:58.03 | jeanjacques | tarzeau: yes i've had a power outage |
| 12:58.07 | migiel | how can i boot without starting X ? |
| 12:58.08 | lollipop | tarzeau: so why did udev remove module-init-tools? |
| 12:58.14 | tarzeau | migiel: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:58.27 | tarzeau | lollipop: how would i know? i don't use udev |
| 12:59.11 | migiel | right, thanks |
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| 12:59.20 | lollipop | I did google, but it seemed debian specific, and I found now debian specific information |
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| 12:59.34 | tarzeau | lollipop: it's linux specific |
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| 12:59.40 | tarzeau | lollipop: debian is more than just linux |
| 12:59.43 | lollipop | its seems like a debian bug, if installing udev from unstable renders the system unusable |
| 12:59.54 | tarzeau | lollipop: what kernel exactly? |
| 12:59.59 | lollipop | 2.6.14 |
| 13:00.04 | tarzeau | lollipop: linux 2.6.14 |
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| 13:00.10 | lollipop | yes |
| 13:00.18 | tarzeau | lollipop: dunno, i still use linux 2.4.32 |
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| 13:00.31 | quest_ | tarzeau, i did it, can you try to see ? |
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| 13:00.41 | StijnT | anyone seen this problem with apt-get before: http://stijn.linux-ipv6.be/apt ? I keep getting this error ... |
| 13:00.43 | tarzeau | quest_: sure what is your ip? |
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| 13:01.06 | blondie | tarzeau: /whois ;0 |
| 13:01.12 | tarzeau | blondie: i know how to use irc |
| 13:01.24 | tarzeau | blondie: but some morons use the freenode crap mask shit |
| 13:01.34 | tarzeau | blondie: and i'm too lazy to find out if it's an idiot or not |
| 13:01.37 | blondie | :P |
| 13:01.42 | quest_ | tarzeau, i think it is 83.168.46.210 |
| 13:02.02 | blondie | it is |
| 13:02.03 | blondie | :p |
| 13:02.04 | tarzeau | quest_: and thttpd is running? you have nat? firewall? |
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| 13:02.17 | tarzeau | quest_: what do you get for ifconfig eth0 ? |
| 13:02.43 | quest_ | tarzeau, it is eth1 wireless, but it is something line 192.168 |
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| 13:03.30 | tarzeau | quest_: ok so you have some other device which doesn't redirect my http requests to your http server |
| 13:03.43 | tarzeau | quest_: you must first get real internet |
| 13:04.01 | quest_ | tarzeau, can i send you the image? it is small |
| 13:04.13 | tarzeau | quest_: no i don't want the image, i want the url to the image |
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| 13:05.26 | quest_ | tarzeau, if i was expert to make it ridirect to my computer i would have done. and probably i would have solved the problem. anyway there is not much to see, instead of writing "hello" there are some squares, like fonts missing (kde) |
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| 13:06.01 | tarzeau | quest_: maybe ask in #debian-kde and tell us what version of kde you have? |
| 13:06.05 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 13:06.05 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:06.41 | quest_ | tarzeau, i asked there and nobody answered. i have 3.4 |
| 13:06.54 | tarzeau | so you have not debian sarge which is stable? |
| 13:06.57 | Bob332 | is there any difference between dpkg -i and apt-get install???? |
| 13:07.00 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:07.00 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:07.04 | tarzeau | Bob332: yes |
| 13:07.14 | quest_ | tarzeau, i have testing |
| 13:07.15 | tarzeau | quest_: check the bts and sid faq |
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| 13:07.24 | Bob332 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.35 | tarzeau | quest_: try sid, maybe it's fixed there |
| 13:07.42 | tarzeau | Bob332: yes |
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| 13:08.05 | loca|host | i have an application wich want the libgtkembedmoz.so lib file, is there any way to know wich package provide that lib ? |
| 13:08.11 | Bob332 | tarzeau, is that the only diff? |
| 13:08.14 | quest_ | tarzeau, i spend 2 days trying to install my wireless card, and i am afraid of sid. i don't want to reinstall again everything |
| 13:08.16 | tarzeau | Bob332: no |
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| 13:08.23 | tarzeau | Bob332: apt-get has super cow powers, which dpkg doesn't |
| 13:08.42 | Bob332 | tarzeau, super cow powers...how so? |
| 13:08.44 | tarzeau | quest_: i'm so glad i don't have wireless cards and no kde |
| 13:08.54 | tarzeau | !moo |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:08.58 | loca|host | i have an application wich want the libgtkembedmoz.so lib file, is there any way to know wich package provide that lib ? |
| 13:09.00 | Andy_CARP | exit |
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| 13:09.14 | tarzeau | lollipop: yes, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 13:09.27 | tarzeau | s,lollipop,loca|host, |
| 13:09.35 | jelly | hmm |
| 13:09.44 | jelly | aptitude moo does not work as expected |
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| 13:10.18 | quest_ | tarzeau, so no solution right? |
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| 13:10.42 | loca|host | tarzeau, lollipop ? |
| 13:10.44 | tarzeau | jelly: try with -v |
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| 13:11.16 | tarzeau | jelly: add random numbers of v to -v |
| 13:11.29 | tarzeau | quest_: don't use kde. don't use wireless. use sid |
| 13:11.40 | jelly | tarzeau: already did. I also nag the Starcraft units. ;-) |
| 13:12.01 | Tortel | !omg |
| 13:12.01 | dpkg | omg is, like, what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
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| 13:13.15 | quest_ | tarzeau, you are the first one telling a newbie to use sid. |
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| 13:14.16 | tarzeau | quest_: a newbie doesn't use testing either |
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| 13:14.36 | HeLpSysTeM | hellp |
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| 13:14.44 | quest_ | tarzeau, someone gave that cd, and i used that. |
| 13:14.45 | HeLpSysTeM | how to set my domain name server |
| 13:14.54 | tarzeau | quest_: there is no cd of debian testing |
| 13:15.02 | tarzeau | quest_: you always install stable first. |
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| 13:15.16 | tarzeau | HeLpSysTeM: in /etc/resolv.conf with your favourite $EDITOR |
| 13:15.24 | tarzeau | !nickometer HeLpSysTeM |
| 13:15.24 | dpkg | 'HeLpSysTeM' is 99.9578% lame, tarzeau |
| 13:15.37 | quest_ | tarzeau, anyway it is late now to downgrade |
| 13:15.43 | tarzeau | quest_: that's right |
| 13:15.51 | HeLpSysTeM | tarzeau, i know but i want the other computer over the network to read me :s |
| 13:15.57 | tarzeau | quest_: but it's never early enough to upgrade |
| 13:16.11 | HeLpSysTeM | like if i do ping serverhost, replays, and if i add serverhost1 and it says no host found |
| 13:16.11 | tarzeau | HeLpSysTeM: no you want to type /nick helpsystem |
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| 13:16.13 | laurens_ | hi |
| 13:16.18 | laurens_ | damn belgian data limiting. |
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| 13:16.40 | tarzeau | helpsystem: you can run a dns server or you can fiddle with /etc/hosts |
| 13:16.52 | laurens_ | People get acceptable broadband (10Mb down) with crappy upload (256kbit if you're lucky) and an even worse limit (10GB) |
| 13:16.53 | helpsystem | hmm |
| 13:16.53 | quest_ | tarzeau, ok, i will try, i know i will do the worst mistake of life, but it is ok |
| 13:17.03 | helpsystem | tarzeau, do i do apt-get install dnsd |
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| 13:17.19 | tarzeau | helpsystem: no, you need to understand DNS |
| 13:17.28 | laurens_ | All internet connections are pretty much monopolised by two companies. One is an ex government company which is used to stealing from people, and the other one has catched on quickly. |
| 13:17.37 | helpsystem | tarzeau, what do i need to get |
| 13:17.46 | laurens_ | djbdns <3 |
| 13:18.01 | tarzeau | helpsystem: read http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 13:18.04 | laurens_ | anyways, most people have to do with 10gb / month |
| 13:18.42 | tarzeau | laurens_: go abroad |
| 13:18.53 | laurens_ | people have started petitions (http://www.geendatalimiet.be) |
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| 13:18.56 | laurens_ | one company is silent |
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| 13:19.08 | tarzeau | laurens_: petitions won't help |
| 13:19.09 | laurens_ | the ex government one basically says "stfu, you are our milk cow" |
| 13:19.14 | laurens_ | tarzeau: true |
| 13:19.31 | laurens_ | tarzeau: liberation of the Last Mile would |
| 13:20.06 | laurens_ | tarzeau: If they (silently or otherwise) ignore petitions, they can't claim they had no idea :-) |
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| 13:20.10 | Abaddon666 | This is what i wrote in: http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/001028.html - about Windows Vista: |
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| 13:20.45 | Abaddon666 | Using the codname Anthrax666: "It seems that Windows Vista will make people more ignorant/illiterate than they are about computing. The more you use Micro$oft OS the more you become an idiot. Now people will go back to the Middle Ages where most people did not know how to read. Or they think that we are children and we need only images to operate a computer. Leave this Windows thing. Leave Redmond an go for GNU/Linux. This is your salvation!" |
| 13:21.18 | Abaddon666 | Have a look guys and make your comments on that! |
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| 13:21.30 | tarzeau | Abaddon666: nothing cares shit about windows here |
| 13:21.43 | laurens_ | Sounds ridiculously religious. |
| 13:21.46 | Ronin | i do tarzeau, id love an office with windows |
| 13:22.02 | tarzeau | Ronin: nobody's going to stop you. however it's offtopic here |
| 13:22.09 | laurens_ | Plus, we've known that hiding options from the users is a Bad Thing (TM) |
| 13:22.18 | laurens_ | tarzeau: he is referring to the "covered hole in a wall |
| 13:22.20 | jelly | laurens_: it's not. |
| 13:22.22 | Ronin | so a lot of what gets talked about |
| 13:22.22 | laurens_ | " style windows. |
| 13:22.45 | laurens_ | jelly: I've seen people use Office XP that didn't know "Save As" existed because it was hidden from them. |
| 13:22.52 | laurens_ | Options, commands. |
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| 13:23.21 | tarzeau | laurens_: like http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg ? |
| 13:23.26 | Abaddon666 | This is not religion laurens. This word (religion) does not mean what you just said |
| 13:23.37 | jelly | laurens_: they did not even bother looking for what there was, so let them be. |
| 13:23.52 | tarzeau | Abaddon666: you know symbols and icons are a good thing. but they are too small in windows from microsoft |
| 13:24.11 | laurens_ | jelly: they didn't know anything was there because it was hidden |
| 13:24.12 | tarzeau | Abaddon666: before windows, there was NeXTSTEP, and they had 64x64 icons that looked really nice (still do) |
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| 13:25.02 | jelly | tarzeau: icons? Symbols? Sounds ike religious stuff. ;-) |
| 13:25.13 | tarzeau | jelly: heh :) |
| 13:25.46 | tarzeau | jelly: really the icons at the url he posted sucked. check these: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/icons/icons.html |
| 13:26.01 | tarzeau | jelly: i've even got more screenshots here, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 13:26.15 | Abaddon666 | Symbols are everywhere not only in religion. Our life without symbols is void! |
| 13:26.42 | tarzeau | Abaddon666: so 150 years ago they had void lifes? |
| 13:27.00 | jelly | tarzeau: I think windows has variable and configurable icon sizes. Can't check right now though. |
| 13:27.04 | nvz | Abaddon666: please don't troll. or at least do it with more style :P |
| 13:27.39 | tarzeau | jelly: nobody is ever going to change that. it should be right by default |
| 13:27.40 | jelly | Abaddon666: and programs without symbols are stripped. |
| 13:28.06 | jelly | not void. |
| 13:28.08 | Abaddon666 | 150 years ago there were more symbols than now. So our lifes were not void |
| 13:28.19 | jelly | they usually return an integer value. |
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| 13:28.49 | jelly | I don't know what lives return. |
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| 13:29.02 | nvz | 42? |
| 13:29.08 | niklaus | how does dydns work ? i don't understand clearly |
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| 13:29.18 | tarzeau | Abaddon666: and 1500 years ago? |
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| 13:30.03 | jelly | How many roads must the man walk down? |
| 13:30.06 | Abaddon666 | You are talking about Middle Ages |
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| 13:30.29 | Abaddon666 | Yes. There was lots of symbols |
| 13:30.36 | tarzeau | Abaddon666: and 15000 years ago? |
| 13:31.11 | pngwn | fuck a bunch of symbols, if it ain't debian it's off topic in here |
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| 13:31.19 | jelly | tarzeau: 15000 years ago the was no internet. That's before you were even born! ;-) |
| 13:31.21 | ChrisBradley | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.23 | Abaddon666 | Since the beggining of all things there were symbols. Idiot! |
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| 13:31.35 | Abaddon666 | Go back to school! |
| 13:31.50 | Abaddon666 | If ever you have been there! |
| 13:31.56 | pngwn | Abaddon666 bite me |
| 13:32.02 | botsy | hi all |
| 13:32.06 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 13:32.18 | ChrisBradley | hello UdontKnow |
| 13:32.22 | ChrisBradley | I know you |
| 13:32.32 | Abaddon666 | No pngwn. You are a good boy |
| 13:32.43 | ChrisBradley | Would you like to help with dev Knox - Debian Etch experimental? |
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| 13:33.03 | jelly | ChrisBradley: wtf is it? |
| 13:33.25 | ChrisBradley | Encrypted Filesystem - Updated Kernel - |
| 13:33.26 | jelly | ChrisBradley: url? |
| 13:33.36 | Catch`CoNdA | How can I remove a trayicon/taskbar object when it has crashed and the process is killed? |
| 13:33.39 | ChrisBradley | jelly #Knox |
| 13:33.39 | Catch`CoNdA | KDE 3.3 |
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| 13:34.22 | nvz | just so happens to be one of my dirty socks |
| 13:34.23 | Abaddon666 | Ok! |
| 13:34.29 | jelly | ChrisBradley: I'd rather have a nice text to read in peace, if you have one. However I'm not your man since I don't know a thing about lvm2. |
| 13:35.02 | ChrisBradley | jelly - Its almost done - What i need is an lvm2 person - I'm in #lvm they aren't biting |
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| 13:35.22 | ChrisBradley | However you are welcome to look on |
| 13:35.46 | ChrisBradley | I will query you with simple details |
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| 13:36.52 | ChrisBradley | jelly - you have the details |
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| 13:38.32 | nvz | If only there were a place within like 5 miles or so that sold socks.. I swear I would just trow em all away and buy a new pair every day |
| 13:39.28 | Abaddon666 | Where do i get a good doc to give some Linux classes for someone who is asking me to do that? Any ideas? |
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| 13:39.47 | nvz | Abaddon666: ETOOVAGUE |
| 13:39.52 | mboso | when i try to start Xorg with startx i get the error /usr/X11/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o No symbols found |
| 13:40.05 | pngwn | Abaddon666, point them to tldp.org |
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| 13:40.08 | Abaddon666 | What is that? |
| 13:40.23 | Abaddon666 | ETOOVAGUE? |
| 13:40.23 | nvz | Abaddon666: thats the error raised when you ask a vague question |
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| 13:41.06 | MontPython | hi all you bitches |
| 13:41.14 | petemc | Abaddon666: you asked for docs, got pointed at the linux document project, and thats too vague? |
| 13:41.17 | MontPython | hi all you bitches |
| 13:41.22 | nvz | linux comes with documentation, but I doubt thats what you really mean. I dont think you meant linux at all |
| 13:41.25 | mboso | i'm using Xorg 6.8.2 on an amd64 box |
| 13:41.28 | quest_ | tarzeau, to upgrade so sid, should i update and then dist-ugrade? (or upgrade before?) |
| 13:41.34 | Guerin | MontPython: sorry, I think you want #imafucktard |
| 13:41.34 | nvz | petemc: wake up |
| 13:41.58 | MontPython | why Guerin are you there ? |
| 13:42.02 | nvz | Guerin: whoo, where'd you hear that one #1stgrade? |
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| 13:42.09 | nvz | heh |
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| 13:42.32 | Guerin | MontPython: no, I graduated to #whentheopsseeyouyouretoastsucka |
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| 13:43.07 | fico | ei alguem ai conhce um programa para baixar arq torrent no linux ? |
| 13:43.13 | asg | !br |
| 13:43.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:43.14 | nvz | fico: #debian-br |
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| 13:43.47 | tavnere | hi |
| 13:43.52 | tavnere | anyone working on squid redirecting |
| 13:43.59 | asg | tavnere: #squid |
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| 13:44.01 | nvz | I dont mean to insult their culture, but after studying spanish for like 5 years I find portuguse laughable |
| 13:44.04 | tavnere | dead place |
| 13:44.08 | nvz | they _Are_ kidding right? |
| 13:44.12 | tavnere | no |
| 13:44.13 | jelly | nvz: ? |
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| 13:44.16 | tavnere | they are just dead |
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| 13:44.45 | xfan | portuguese its a great languaje |
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| 13:45.00 | nvz | they got words with no vowels ffs |
| 13:45.14 | nvz | and it just looks like an idiot trying to speak spanish |
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| 13:45.22 | jelly | nvz: sooo...? r and l can be vowels. |
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| 13:45.44 | jelly | nvz: in my language. Don't know about pt. |
| 13:45.46 | MontPython | stupid cunts |
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| 13:46.29 | nvz | I've seen "TC" used in portuguese, no clue wtf it means.. but if its not an abbreviation I dont even have a clue |
| 13:46.30 | jelly | MontPython: you might find better help at http://tinyurl.com/3dg |
| 13:46.34 | Guerin | !ops fart in MontPython's general direction |
| 13:46.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: fart in MontPython's general direction |
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| 13:46.56 | Abaddon666 | Use amule |
| 13:47.06 | Abaddon666 | apt-get install amule |
| 13:47.18 | PhoenixMan | Hi. I'm having problems with SSL. First off, SSL displays itself as "localhost" and not the IP of the machine. Is there a setting where I can change localhost to the IP of my machine? Second, CGI applications are being downloaded instead of run; how do I fix this? Third, PHP applications are being downloaded as well; how would I fix that? |
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| 13:47.48 | jelly | PhoenixMan: you have not configured apache correctly. |
| 13:47.52 | Abaddon666 | fico, use amule: apt-get install amule |
| 13:48.26 | PhoenixMan | I found httpd.conf in /etc/apache-ssl |
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| 13:48.41 | tarzeau | quest_: you'll need dist-upgrade |
| 13:48.49 | tarzeau | quest_: update first, after the sources.list change |
| 13:48.52 | PhoenixMan | I want to make it so this file does all of the stuff with SSL, but loads the virtual hosts & other things from /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 13:49.21 | Abaddon666 | nvz, TC means: "Te Comer" |
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| 13:50.17 | Zambba | How can I disable GPG in APT ? |
| 13:50.23 | Abaddon666 | "Te Comer" means: to eat |
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| 13:50.49 | asg | Zambba: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 13:50.51 | jelly | PhoenixMan: put virtual hosts and stuff into a separate file, then include it from where you want. But first, you don't need both apache and apache-ssl. |
| 13:51.02 | MontPython | Abaddon666 mean filho da puta |
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| 13:51.48 | Abaddon666 | "Alguém quer TC": means: Someone wants to have sex with you! |
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| 13:52.07 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
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| 13:53.15 | jelly | MontPython: we are impressed with your second language swearing abilities. Would you care to repeat that in Russian? ;-) |
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| 13:53.17 | Abaddon666 | Filho da sua mãe? MontPython? |
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| 13:53.21 | Vixenos | --- search about a channel for debian amd64 |
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| 13:53.32 | Guerin | Vixenos: #debian-amd64 |
| 13:53.35 | asg | Vixenos: #debian-amd64 surprisingly enough |
| 13:53.39 | Vixenos | thx a lot :) |
| 13:53.40 | ChrisBradley | my kernel is done - I just need help with lvm - if anyone is interested it is appreciated - #knox |
| 13:53.46 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:53.51 | ChrisBradley | It runs on Etch 386 |
| 13:53.54 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:54.03 | Abaddon666 | MontPython=IDIOT! |
| 13:54.06 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:54.13 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.15 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:54.15 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.16 | Ronin | apparenlty MontPython only knows one phrase |
| 13:54.16 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.17 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:54.17 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.22 | Ronin | Abaddon666: stop please |
| 13:54.24 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.28 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
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| 13:54.30 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.34 | jelly | Ronin: perhaps it's the same person. |
| 13:54.34 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.40 | Ronin | so it is |
| 13:54.41 | Guerin | !ops give us a fucking break |
| 13:54.42 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: give us a fucking break |
| 13:54.44 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:54.49 | jelly | !ops please get rid of the moron |
| 13:54.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please get rid of the moron |
| 13:55.14 | jm_ | quality |
| 13:55.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: try in #freenode |
| 13:55.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: WOFT |
| 13:55.32 | blondie | oh dear |
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| 13:55.36 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:55.43 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
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| 13:55.50 | tarzeau | Guerin: WOFT? i would if freenode woudn't suck so much: 14:55 [gnu] -!- Cannot join to channel #freenode (You have joined to too many channels) |
| 13:56.01 | Ronin | yawn, another day more morons with computers i see |
| 13:56.06 | jelly | Thank Bob for /ignore |
| 13:56.10 | nevyn | tarzeau: yeah there's like a limit of 20 |
| 13:56.16 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:56.20 | tarzeau | nevyn: for years, and i've been asking for more since years |
| 13:56.22 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:56.27 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:56.28 | tarzeau | lilo: can you do something please? |
| 13:56.44 | bbrazil | *mumbles |
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| 13:56.48 | tarzeau | Guerin: one day i will move all my 20 channels away to somewhere else |
| 13:56.55 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:56.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: HAH |
| 13:57.14 | paulswm | Well, glad I popped in to catch the intelligent conversation |
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| 13:57.23 | Catch`CoNdA | Is it not possible to remove things that have crashed from the traybar if its icon still remains after you kill it? |
| 13:57.31 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
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| 13:57.48 | asg | Catch`CoNdA: ask #gnome on irc.oftc.net or #debian-kde on this network (depending on what you use) |
| 13:58.00 | fireba11 | !smite Abaddon666 |
| 13:58.01 | Catch`CoNdA | thanks man! |
| 13:58.07 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:58.21 | dimir | damnit, it's the bot! |
| 13:58.28 | Ronin | its like watching two year olds fighting |
| 13:58.34 | blondie | "like"? :) |
| 13:58.37 | ChrisBradley | The Kernel is done |
| 13:58.38 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 13:58.42 | Ronin | blondie: good point |
| 13:58.43 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! |
| 13:58.46 | ChrisBradley | I need help with Logical Volume Management |
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| 13:58.54 | fireba11 | blondie: am pretty sure two year olds don't know how to type ... |
| 13:58.58 | bbrazil | ChrisBradley: just ask your question |
| 13:59.03 | ChrisBradley | For Encrypted FS Debian Etch Testing. |
| 13:59.03 | Ronin | fireba11: neither do these two loosers |
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| 13:59.18 | ChrisBradley | Project bbrazil is called #knox |
| 13:59.19 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! Son of a bitch |
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| 13:59.23 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! Son of a bitch! |
| 13:59.25 | blondie | lol |
| 13:59.30 | blondie | it learnt some new words |
| 13:59.35 | fireba11 | Ronin: the letters form words, the words form sentences and the sentences make no sense at all |
| 13:59.56 | fireba11 | !confuse Abaddon666 |
| 13:59.57 | dpkg | Yes, what was their weasel today, Abaddon666? pants of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 14:00.08 | paulswm | Abaddon666's ISP's abuse address is abuse@telemar.net.br |
| 14:00.14 | bbrazil | ChrisBradley: lvm only deals with volumes, so what FS you have sitting on top of it shopuldn't matter |
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| 14:00.25 | MontPython | hes still at it ? |
| 14:00.33 | dimir | yes. |
| 14:00.34 | Ronin | as are you MontPython |
| 14:00.36 | ChrisBradley | bbrazil may I invite you to the channel? |
| 14:00.42 | ChrisBradley | I am the only person working on this |
| 14:00.46 | Abaddon666 | What does lol mean? |
| 14:00.47 | Guerin | MontPython: don't pretend like you're any better, you fuckwit |
| 14:00.48 | fireba11 | MontPython: like a well trained monkey .. wait .. he IS a monkey :-) |
| 14:00.49 | ChrisBradley | You would be person #2. |
| 14:00.51 | MontPython | Ronin, your a pall |
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| 14:01.04 | dimir | !loll |
| 14:01.04 | dpkg | loll, v.i. ... 3. To let the tongue hang from the mouth, as an ox, dog, or other animal, when heated by labor; as, the ox stood lolling in the furrow. ... v 2: be lazy or idle; "The triple porter of the Stygian seat, With lolling tongue lay fawning at thy feet." --Dryden. |
| 14:01.12 | bbrazil | ChrisBradley: no, I should be able to answer any questions directly related to lvm though |
| 14:01.14 | dimir | damnit |
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| 14:01.24 | ChrisBradley | ok |
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| 14:01.47 | ChrisBradley | bbrazil NCPINK:/# pvcreate /dev/hda2 |
| 14:01.47 | ChrisBradley | ChrisBradley /dev/hda2: write failed after 0 of 8192 at 0: Input/output error |
| 14:01.58 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 14:01.58 | dpkg | i guess i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
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| 14:02.05 | Abaddon666 | No. Lol is a "Jerga". So, what does it mean? |
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| 14:02.15 | bbrazil | ChrisBradley: what guerin said :) |
| 14:02.19 | blondie | Abaddon666: none of your business |
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| 14:02.28 | ChrisBradley | I will replace my disk when the time comes |
| 14:02.36 | Guerin | Abaddon666: it means "if you ram your keyboard up your arse, we will all appreciate it very much" |
| 14:02.41 | omry|work | can I rely on /etc/debian_version to identify the version of a newly installed machine? |
| 14:02.43 | ChrisBradley | Is there a quick fix for i/o errors? |
| 14:02.46 | paulswm | !Guerin++ |
| 14:02.48 | Guerin | ChrisBradley: the time appears to have come |
| 14:02.50 | dimir | paulswm: you know what 'loll' means in Estonian? |
| 14:02.53 | bbrazil | ChrisBradley: yes, replace the disk |
| 14:02.55 | blondie | ChrisBradley: yes, quickly install a new disk :) |
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| 14:03.02 | Abaddon666 | So have you done it Guerin? |
| 14:03.08 | paulswm | dimir: Strangely enough, I have no idea |
| 14:03.12 | ChrisBradley | Who wants to pay for it... |
| 14:03.12 | blondie | Abaddon666: bend over then. |
| 14:03.22 | blondie | ChrisBradley: you can |
| 14:03.22 | bbrazil | omry|work: should be able to |
| 14:03.23 | blondie | :| |
| 14:03.26 | dimir | paulswm: stupid. I mean, it means that. :-) |
| 14:03.27 | Guerin | ChrisBradley: whoever owns the data on it |
| 14:03.27 | ChrisBradley | My kernel is solid. |
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| 14:03.38 | fireba11 | omry|work: thats why it's there |
| 14:03.41 | paulswm | dimir: Ah, worth knowing :) |
| 14:03.42 | blondie | I hope you have backups, ChrisBradley |
| 14:03.42 | omry|work | bbrazil, 3.1 means its sarge? |
| 14:03.43 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 14:03.44 | ChrisBradley | I own the data on it |
| 14:03.47 | bbrazil | omry|work: yip |
| 14:03.51 | dimir | paulswm: sure. :-) |
| 14:03.55 | Abaddon666 | You have experience Guerin with keyboards. Don't you? |
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| 14:03.57 | fireba11 | !smite MontPython |
| 14:04.03 | Guerin | ChrisBradley: then either you want to replace the disk, or you want to kiss the data goodbye |
| 14:04.07 | ChrisBradley | How do you back up the kernel ? |
| 14:04.15 | omry|work | bbrazil, ok, cool. |
| 14:04.30 | ChrisBradley | I will write it to CD |
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| 14:04.33 | bbrazil | omry|work: ifs it an older install it could be sarge from before it was stable though |
| 14:04.35 | fireba11 | ChrisBradley: you ahve a homegrown one ? otherwise there is no need to do that |
| 14:04.39 | MontPython | can i get them fried ? |
| 14:04.49 | ChrisBradley | My kernel is for Encrypted FS |
| 14:04.54 | ChrisBradley | It is called Knox |
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| 14:05.01 | paulswm | dimir: In Welsh, it's 'twp' :) |
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| 14:05.12 | fireba11 | MontPython: if you say pretty please and shut up otherwise like a good child, maybe |
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| 14:05.21 | Abaddon666 | Guerin=Have experienced his keyboard with all its fullness! |
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| 14:05.37 | factor | has anyone else gotten any USBDEVFS_SETCONFIGURATION device busy problems with debian? |
| 14:05.43 | ChrisBradley | fireball - this is serious - if it works - it will be offered to Debian as an open source distro - |
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| 14:06.09 | Abaddon666 | Guerin=Have experienced his keyboard with all its fullness! |
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| 14:06.15 | Abaddon666 | Guerin=Have experienced his keyboard with all its fullness! |
| 14:06.28 | fireba11 | ChrisBradley: then you better back up /boot |
| 14:06.30 | Guerin | Abaddon666: ooh, you win |
| 14:06.38 | MontPython | fireball |
| 14:06.39 | ChrisBradley | ok |
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| 14:06.41 | Guerin | Abaddon666: i cannot compete with your arse-typing abilities |
| 14:06.44 | ChrisBradley | Any other important files? |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | god damn .. he's still here ? |
| 14:06.51 | nvz | abrotman: yep |
| 14:06.52 | MontPython | you still on 11 ? |
| 14:07.03 | abrotman | nvz: i tried to get caph to kill him last night |
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| 14:07.09 | nvz | abrotman: unfortunatly. it really is a shame caphuso didnt realize what was obvious to us |
| 14:07.13 | Abaddon666 | Thanks, Guerin lets us be friends. Ok? |
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| 14:07.20 | asg | abrotman: seeing as all the good ops have left, welcome to your new cesspool of mediocrity |
| 14:07.21 | loxley_ | Abaddon666: stop wanking your dick in the cdrom |
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| 14:07.30 | fireba11 | geez .. noone using nick completion these days ? my nick is written with two ones at the end .. other nick was taken a loong time ago ^^ |
| 14:07.32 | abrotman | /msg chanserv op #debian asg |
| 14:07.37 | dimir | paulswm: twp? |
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| 14:07.46 | Guerin | Abaddon666: sure. You fuck off, and I'll be your friend for ever. |
| 14:08.00 | MontPython | Abaddon666 = filho da puta |
| 14:08.04 | Abaddon666 | So, loxley. You have done it before! I did not know! |
| 14:08.20 | abrotman | asg: did anyone call ops ? |
| 14:08.27 | bbrazil | abrotman: twice |
| 14:08.28 | Guerin | abrotman: only about 5 times |
| 14:08.30 | asg | abrotman: yes, ops were called |
| 14:08.33 | paulswm | dimir: pronounced 'toop' as in 'took' |
| 14:08.34 | fireba11 | Abaddon666: and i suggest taking MontPython with you , that'll do us all a favour |
| 14:08.34 | mtnman | abrotman: about 5 people |
| 14:08.34 | nvz | asg: we need to start bitchin :P there are lots of regulars here that could be ops. Some would be too harsh.. but I know at least in my case I would be more fair if I knew I could at least do something when it got out of hand :P |
| 14:08.44 | MontPython | call the cops and all your troubles will be dealt with |
| 14:08.46 | blondie | s/there/here/ |
| 14:08.50 | MontPython | i mean ops |
| 14:09.06 | dimir | paulswm: and it means? |
| 14:09.07 | paulswm | blondie: Start cussing and they'll prolly be right along to kick you :P |
| 14:09.10 | Guerin | blondie: the probalem is actually that they're mostly in the same timezones |
| 14:09.14 | asg | nvz: I'd rather just have the old ops back though something does need to be done. |
| 14:09.14 | Abaddon666 | MontPython means IDIOT! Son of a bitch |
| 14:09.15 | Ronin | well as much fun as it it watching thiss dynamic duo its coffee time |
| 14:09.24 | ChrisBradley | fireball check /query |
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| 14:09.35 | paulswm | dimir: 'twp' is Welsh for 'stupid' |
| 14:09.43 | fireba11 | ChrisBradley: didn't get any |
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| 14:09.50 | MontPython | Ronin, is an idiot |
| 14:10.02 | ChrisBradley | can you open one with me? |
| 14:10.07 | dimir | paulswm: oh. Good to know. :-) |
| 14:10.10 | nvz | asg: yeah well Simon didnt like it, and seems like greg just got fed up with being in the crossfire between fucking idiots and staff |
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| 14:10.20 | MontPython | Ronin i hope you shoke on the cup |
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| 14:10.37 | asg | nvz: indeed |
| 14:10.45 | ChrisBradley | I just Auto-Opened Dialogs |
| 14:11.20 | MontPython | nvz, wich of are you ? |
| 14:11.21 | dimir | paulswm: actually 'loll' in Estonian is a noun. But it's kind of hard to translate it to English. Means something, like dimwit. |
| 14:11.44 | nvz | MontPython: what? |
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| 14:12.10 | MontPython | i think your on the staff idiot team |
| 14:12.11 | nvz | I wouldnt really want to have to make the decisions either.. its a delicate balance.. but I'd rather be doing it than nobody :P |
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| 14:12.14 | botsy__ | i have a problem when i execute xmms in root ... it's say Can't open display, connection to :0.0 refused by server .. but when i execute xmms in normal user it's ok ... i know they are a command whose allow this but i don't remember it ... ... |
| 14:12.26 | botsy__ | it's possible u help me .... |
| 14:12.31 | nvz | MontPython: I'm not on either team. I dont bitch at the ops one way or the other |
| 14:12.35 | Tortel | dont run xmms as root then |
| 14:12.36 | cheal | botsy__: why do you want to run it as root? |
| 14:12.36 | asg | botsy__: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 14:13.02 | paulswm | dimir: Ah. 'Idiot' in Welsh would be either 'ffwl' (English fool of course) or 'yn fytyn' |
| 14:13.25 | MontPython | paulswm, thats allways good to know |
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| 14:13.37 | jelly | paulswm: how do you pronounce those? |
| 14:13.44 | MontPython | could you say that in klingon ? |
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| 14:14.04 | loxley_ | MontPython: dont speak unless spoken upon, wanker.. |
| 14:14.08 | botsy__ | i don't search su command ... |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | nvz: you have to ask EE i guess .. afaik .. he's the channel owner |
| 14:14.14 | botsy__ | it's not that ... |
| 14:14.25 | MontPython | loxley_, go get your self stuffed |
| 14:14.35 | nvz | abrotman: he apperently keeps busy... never around. |
| 14:14.43 | maestro | where can i find a good sources.lists , and java debian packages? |
| 14:14.55 | abrotman | nvz: you could msg him ? |
| 14:14.56 | dimir | paulswm: yeah, Welsh is different. :-) Are you Welsh? |
| 14:14.58 | paulswm | jelly: ffwl prono8unced 'fool', yn fytyn pronounced 'un fuh-tin' |
| 14:15.04 | cheal | maestro: what do you mean be "good sources.lists"? |
| 14:15.10 | cheal | s/be/by |
| 14:15.12 | paulswm | dimir: Yes, but an English speaker, not a native Welsh speaker |
| 14:15.14 | asg | maestro: apt-setup ; /msg dpkg java-package |
| 14:15.17 | jm_ | meast;read the topic |
| 14:15.21 | abrotman | is there a major difference between ispell and aspell ? |
| 14:15.23 | dimir | paulswm: damn it, of course! 'loll' == 'fool'! |
| 14:15.30 | Ronin | excellent cinnamon buns today |
| 14:15.35 | nvz | abrotman: I need to bug staff about a cloak again.. then maybe when EE has some time I can ask him what the current status is and what his thoughts are on trying out some new ops |
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| 14:16.03 | MontPython | whats a cloak ? |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | nvz: you should think about who you'd like for ops |
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| 14:16.21 | maestro | cheal, with java packages and a lot packages to upgrade |
| 14:16.21 | abrotman | MontPython: like i have |
| 14:16.22 | RichiH | is there a thing like xev for cli? |
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| 14:16.28 | Guerin | RichiH: BANBANBAN! |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | RichiH: ? |
| 14:16.40 | Guerin | RichiH: MontPython and Abaddon666 |
| 14:16.41 | asg | RichiH: xbindkeys |
| 14:16.44 | bbrazil | RichiH: yes, forget the name of it |
| 14:16.46 | cahoot | abrotman: an unconfirmed rumor said aspell is more anglocentric than ispell |
| 14:16.57 | Abaddon666 | Hello! paulswm, Do you know Rhyl? |
| 14:17.00 | abrotman | cahoot: it's for a .us webmail site .. |
| 14:17.00 | MontPython | Guerin, its Abaddon666 and MontPython |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | Abaddon666: there is cheese in my shoe |
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| 14:17.25 | dimir | paulswm: I see. I remember there were some deligation (with president, or something) from Welsh coming to Estonia an year ago, so they also spoke English. But when the guy was asked to say something in Welsh he did it with no problems. Of course, no local understood anything. :-) |
| 14:17.31 | paulswm | RichiH: I second Guerin, you'll find a lot of seconders here actually |
| 14:17.34 | cheal | maestro: why do you want to upgrade a lot of packages? and you want to upgrade to what? |
| 14:17.36 | RichiH | asg: for _x_ |
| 14:17.39 | RichiH | erm |
| 14:17.40 | nvz | abrotman: any of the regulars would work for me.. I'd rather it be someone who could be just. I wouldnt want someone who was just going to be channel sherrif all the time |
| 14:17.43 | RichiH | _cli_ |
| 14:18.06 | MontPython | abrotman, = miss carriege |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | RichiH: xev .. can display to a term .. or do you mean read from a terminal ? |
| 14:18.15 | Abaddon666 | paulswm, Rhyl is a city in your country! |
| 14:18.16 | RichiH | MontPython = please stop :) |
| 14:18.24 | asg | RichiH: my mistake |
| 14:18.24 | nvz | abrotman: someone like you or I who spends a _lot_ of time here. yet doesnt take it too personally. |
| 14:18.33 | RichiH | abrotman: yep. i want to capture events on cli |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | nvz: can i kll lightbright ? |
| 14:18.42 | Guerin | RichiH: a bullet between the eyes would stop them, but please isn't going to do a damn thing |
| 14:18.46 | nvz | abrotman:eh? |
| 14:18.52 | Abaddon666 | Look at the map! it is in the north by the sea! |
| 14:18.52 | abrotman | RichiH: at a console .. not within X |
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| 14:19.16 | MontPython | Guerin, do you owne a gun ? |
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| 14:19.28 | Guerin | MontPython: not any more. |
| 14:19.32 | bbrazil | RichiH: showkey - works on the console |
| 14:19.32 | abrotman | sadly |
| 14:19.35 | nvz | abrotman: like Guerin would never work.. channel would be locked on sundays, and I am not sure many people would get in otherwise :P |
| 14:19.37 | azeem | Guerin: don't you dare questioning RichiH's counseling techniques |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 14:19.52 | abrotman | nvz: you could pester DDs ? |
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| 14:20.07 | MontPython | Guerin, you can sit on my lap and owne my gun :) |
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| 14:20.14 | Abaddon666 | paulswm, Rhyl is a city in your country! |
| 14:20.15 | Abaddon666 | paulswm, Rhyl is a city in your country! |
| 14:20.17 | RichiH | !find showkey |
| 14:20.23 | asg | RichiH: if you don't ban these idiots, I'm leaving for good. |
| 14:20.26 | Abaddon666 | Look at the map! it is in the north by the sea! |
| 14:20.31 | doubleoh | I am looking for a way to slow down processes even more so than nice. |
| 14:20.34 | nvz | abrotman: I'd do it, but that would mean I'd have to stop setting bad examples :P not to mention I'd have to make changes to my client |
| 14:20.36 | RichiH | asg: ah, meanie |
| 14:20.38 | Ronin | RichiH: we're beggin you :) |
| 14:20.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'showkey' (4 of 6): (/usr/bin/showkey) in utils/console-tools,utils/kbd ;; (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/showkeys.sty) in tex/tetex-base ;; (/usr/share/texmf/source/latex/tools/showkeys.dtx) in tex/tetex-src ;; (/usr/lib/plt/collects/tests/mred/showkey.ss) in interpreters/drscheme. |
| 14:20.46 | azeem | nvz: do what? |
| 14:20.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=vagner@200.97.75.*] by RichiH |
| 14:20.48 | maestro | asg: after i do apt-setup, where i write "/msg dpkg java-package" |
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| 14:20.52 | asg | RichiH: I've really had it; I've tried, but I've had it. I'm sorry. |
| 14:20.57 | asg | maestro: in your IRC client |
| 14:20.57 | streuner | RichiH: thanks |
| 14:21.02 | Ronin | excellent |
| 14:21.04 | asg | maestro: our bot will instruct you further |
| 14:21.16 | abrotman | RichiH: thank you very much .. you get a yuengling in philly! |
| 14:21.17 | Guerin | !RichiH++ |
| 14:21.18 | maestro | asg thnxs |
| 14:21.19 | RichiH | asg: i know what you mean |
| 14:21.21 | asg | RichiH: thanks |
| 14:21.41 | cheal | showkey...that's the damn command I was looking for the name since months! |
| 14:21.45 | cheal | !beer RichiH |
| 14:21.48 | wdamn | Hi all, is there a way to convert a .chm file to a pdf? |
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| 14:21.52 | doubleoh | Is there a way to throttle a process (slower than nice)? |
| 14:21.59 | RichiH | heh |
| 14:22.01 | bbrazil | cheal: LFS is really handy for learing all the low-level commands :) |
| 14:22.04 | bbrazil | +n |
| 14:22.20 | nvz | azeem: serve as an extra op around here if need be. |
| 14:22.34 | abrotman | azeem: or five extras |
| 14:22.38 | cheal | bbrazil: hehe. the only person I know that messed with LFS...uses ubuntu as root |
| 14:22.51 | cheal | bbrazil: so I have to doubt that idea |
| 14:22.54 | abrotman | and it seems mornings EST are the worst |
| 14:23.05 | abrotman | though .. we used to have greycat ... |
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| 14:23.28 | streuner | yeah, we need greycat back |
| 14:23.33 | jelly | abrotman: you could be an op. |
| 14:23.35 | asg | abrotman: remember, the U.S. kiddies are out of school today so the noise -> signal ratio will be higher |
| 14:23.46 | nvz | abrotman: I think like any other duty attendance is most important.. but there are other considerations. You need to be able to serve as a catalyst and not simply an operator |
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| 14:23.53 | blondie | why are they out of school? |
| 14:23.56 | blondie | skivers |
| 14:23.59 | asg | blondie: Thanksgiving |
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| 14:24.07 | blondie | hmm |
| 14:24.20 | Guerin | nvz: bollocks, you just need to be an intolerant motherfucker |
| 14:24.22 | cheal | thanks giving? isn't that in one month? |
| 14:24.24 | nvz | heh, this is why I said you cant be an op :P |
| 14:24.26 | Guerin | bring back teh cat of much greyness! |
| 14:24.28 | asg | cheal: tomorrow |
| 14:24.39 | bbrazil | Guerin: you have to have some tolerance, but not much |
| 14:24.41 | jelly | cheal: that would be Christmas. ;-) |
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| 14:25.01 | cheal | asg/jelly: ok, I guess I was thinking about presents giving |
| 14:25.15 | asg | cheal: that's Christmas / Yule |
| 14:25.28 | cheal | asg: yes (Christmas) |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | jelly: don't tell me .. it's been requested before .. i'm sure there's a reason noone likes me :) |
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| 14:26.38 | jelly | abrotman: you seem to be reasonable. At times. ;-) |
| 14:26.41 | cheal | of course there is, abrotman is at the top of debstats |
| 14:27.07 | abrotman | jelly: i would have banned abaddon last night |
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| 14:28.24 | azeem | abrotman: did you request a ban? |
| 14:28.29 | jelly | What better way to exploit your online time than to give you some duties. |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | azeem: yes .. explicitly to an op |
| 14:28.47 | doubleoh | For an extreme example of wanting to slow a process, I would like to slow a process such as this "nice 19 burnP6". nice obviously doesn't accomplish what I want. I would like to some how throttle a process on the cpu. |
| 14:28.48 | azeem | ah |
| 14:28.58 | sep | what package do i need to install on etch to get the full list of printers from linuxprininting.org ? i think it was foomatic on sarge. but on etch i only get 8 different brands and not richo at all. |
| 14:29.00 | abrotman | nvz: do we smell ? |
| 14:29.08 | nvz | abrotman: I dunno, but I do. |
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| 14:29.34 | azeem | abrotman: maybe it's like in Episode III, you need a bit more patience :) |
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| 14:29.57 | azeem | np: Johnny Cash - One |
| 14:29.58 | nvz | abrotman: Going to hit the shower .. I havent chatted much outside of #debian in a long time. I dont feel there is anything being discussed in there that interests me |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | azeem: i asked last night .. when the guy first started acting up .. only a mere .. 10 hours ago |
| 14:30.08 | jm_ | sep: apt-file search ppd|grep -i ricoh maybe |
| 14:30.12 | abrotman | nvz: there could be .. and we have the cat! |
| 14:30.17 | azeem | abrotman: oh, I mean for getting operator status |
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| 14:30.33 | abrotman | azeem: oh .. perhaps .. it's been requested .. |
| 14:30.47 | abrotman | azeem: not by me .. but others here |
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| 14:31.02 | nvz | abrotman: yeah, well maybe later. I am preoccupied with getting cleaned up and going to bed |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | sure sure :) |
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| 14:32.52 | abrotman | !sarge oo2 is deb http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/ ./ |
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| 14:32.52 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 14:33.24 | nvz | abrotman: all the debian off-topic channels are too off-topic for me. :P I only like certain people enough to B.S. and I do that at my own discresion. I cant do it just because streuner tells me to. |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | actually .. can we get jetscreamer back too ? |
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| 14:33.33 | abrotman | nvz: offtopic.debian.net :) |
| 14:33.38 | nvz | bah |
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| 14:34.01 | Thanatermesis | I not have 3d acceleration in one "intel chipset" machine, glxgears speak "no GLX extension...", what i need ? (debian precompiled kernel) |
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| 14:34.09 | sep | jm_, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:34.12 | streuner | nvz: do whatever you feel like. |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: did you have debconf add the DRI section ? |
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| 14:34.45 | lzap | Gentoo has great Gentoo-Wiki.org, is there somethin similar for Debian? I need to configure mail server... |
| 14:34.57 | Thanatermesis | mode 666 in the DRI section of the X configuration abrotman |
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| 14:35.07 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: yeah .. that's what i meant |
| 14:35.16 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:35.21 | Thanatermesis | yes, is enabled, in 666 |
| 14:35.22 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 14:35.33 | Guerin | lzap: /msg dpkg faq |
| 14:35.34 | azeem | lzap: there is wiki.debian.org |
| 14:35.49 | Thanatermesis | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 14:35.51 | azeem | lzap: but that might not help with your MTA, better to ask specific questions in ehre |
| 14:36.04 | Thanatermesis | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual |
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| 14:36.43 | jm_ | why bother with GLX on i8xx crap? get a real card |
| 14:36.44 | lzap | Gentoo has these "installation guides", ig for Postfix+IMAP, ig for this, for that... I mean if theres some place with these tutorials in an one place... |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:36.50 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 14:37.00 | abrotman | lzap: oh .. not like that .. no |
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| 14:37.26 | Thanatermesis | i have this 2 messages abrotman ... i need a special lib ? |
| 14:37.30 | Ronin | lzap: no but theres a million websites on configuring various mtas etc. |
| 14:37.34 | Guerin | lzap: aptitude install postfix-tls dovecot ; done |
| 14:37.45 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: huh ? |
| 14:37.49 | lzap | I am gentoo user, I am going to install Postfix + SSL + IMAP, is there something special to look after? |
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| 14:37.53 | Thanatermesis | i have installed: xlibmesa-dri xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu |
| 14:37.56 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: did you load the glx module .. ? |
| 14:38.00 | lzap | dovecot is what? |
| 14:38.10 | abrotman | imap server |
| 14:38.15 | asg | lzap: gentoo.org has a number of Tutorials. Oh, and join #gentoo |
| 14:38.17 | Thanatermesis | with glxinfo + grep abrotman i have this: |
| 14:38.17 | lzap | and what pop? |
| 14:38.19 | Thanatermesis | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 14:38.19 | jelly | also pop server. |
| 14:38.19 | Phated | Or pop3. |
| 14:38.20 | Thanatermesis | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | lzap: in general .. basic config of IMAP+Postfix doesn't differ from debian usually |
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| 14:38.34 | fr33mind | I just install kernel2.6 (sid) from a kernel2.4 and now I have my device when I type mount like this instead of /dev/hda1... : /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 on / type reiserfs (rw) Any idea?? |
| 14:38.36 | lzap | ah I see, both, grat, thanx for help |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: with dpkg-reconfigure .. is the glx module loaded ? |
| 14:38.55 | Thanatermesis | mmh... i look |
| 14:39.16 | asg | fr33mind: looks like devfs borkage. Did you install a sid kernel on a sarge box? |
| 14:39.28 | Thanatermesis | yes abrotman , glx, dri, GLcore... all enabled |
| 14:39.33 | fr33mind | asg: no. All sid. |
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| 14:39.48 | asg | fr33mind: which version of the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 14:39.51 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: check you X logs for EE lines .. maybe WW too |
| 14:40.00 | Thanatermesis | ok, i check... |
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| 14:40.26 | fr33mind | asg: 2.6.14-2-686 |
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| 14:40.55 | streuner | !spambots |
| 14:40.55 | dpkg | spambots are annoying. If you want to prevent the messages from coming at you incessantly, go to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots and read up. |
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| 14:41.08 | warreng | "apt-get remove" doesn't seem to remove all config files and everything... how do i forcefully delete ALL remenants of a package? |
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| 14:41.18 | jm_ | warreng: read the FAQ |
| 14:41.22 | Thanatermesis | warhead apt-get remove --purge |
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| 14:41.32 | Thanatermesis | ops, warreng |
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| 14:42.05 | warreng | Thanatermesis: thanks... |
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| 14:42.47 | fr33mind | asg: 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 14:43.00 | asg | fr33mind: try installing udev or booting with nodevfs |
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| 14:43.16 | fr33mind | asg: I don't know how. (udev is the latest) |
| 14:43.22 | Thanatermesis | ahhh, i have found the problem abrotman ... are because i have installed "nvidia-glx" package and i don't use this glx files... i have deinstalled and works now... thanks :) |
| 14:43.28 | abrotman | ah |
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| 14:43.53 | abrotman | good |
| 14:43.56 | asg | fr33mind: add 'nodevfs' to your kernel line in /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst perhaps. Otherwise, I'm not sure. |
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| 14:44.09 | fr33mind | asg: ok. |
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| 14:44.22 | Thanatermesis | yep... logs logs... why i not remember the existance of this user-friendly files ? :) |
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| 14:44.42 | Esaj | how do I regenerate my initrd? |
| 14:45.00 | Phated | mkinitrd? |
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| 14:45.05 | asg | Esaj: mkinitrd or rebuild your kernel with make-kpkg --initrd ... |
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| 14:45.39 | Esaj | thanks |
| 14:45.54 | DrunkenNoob | hello all. I have a strange question perhaps. I have an src rpm (by fate's cruelty) but I would like to install/extract it on a debian system. How can I do this. |
| 14:46.14 | asg | DrunkenNoob: alien (be very careful) |
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| 14:46.25 | lzap | I need sshd, but I cannot find in in aptitude, in which package is the daemon? |
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| 14:46.31 | DrunkenNoob | asg, alien converts deb to rpm right? |
| 14:46.35 | asg | lzap: it's just ssh |
| 14:46.36 | asg | DrunkenNoob: yes |
| 14:46.37 | bbrazil | lzap: ssh iirc |
| 14:46.51 | DrunkenNoob | asg, I want to have rpm -> deb |
| 14:46.58 | asg | DrunkenNoob: then alien will do that |
| 14:46.59 | bbrazil | DrunkenNoob: alien does a lot of things :) |
| 14:47.01 | blondie | DrunkenNoob: that's called Alien |
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| 14:47.10 | lzap | thnx, btw is aptitude able to search from the command line? aptitude -s? |
| 14:47.23 | DrunkenNoob | asg, bbrazil, blondie hehe |
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| 14:47.57 | azeem | lzap: not sure whether aptitude can do that, but apt-cache search works |
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| 14:48.38 | jeanjacques | my hard drive has corrupted clusters, i've booted with an ubuntu livecd, what could i do now to repair my disk ? |
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| 14:49.22 | licued2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.23 | licued2 | [09:48] <licued2> except for the VNC Clients |
| 14:49.27 | RichiH | that was at lkeast 30 klines in the last few minutes |
| 14:49.28 | licued2 | how would I do something like this? |
| 14:49.29 | ChrisBradley | fireball I'm still here |
| 14:49.41 | ChrisBradley | Its a maxtor |
| 14:50.18 | nvz | streuner: don't worry about that. |
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| 14:50.32 | bbrazil | RichiH: couldn't ye add join/part flooding to the advacned connect/nick flooding code? |
| 14:50.48 | bbrazil | (assuming the services source still looks vaguely like hybserv2) |
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| 14:51.13 | RichiH | bbrazil: you need to talk to jilles about those things |
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| 14:52.21 | Greatred | just a quickie.. has latex on debian unstable started producing pdf instead of dvi by default? |
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| 14:52.35 | azeem | Greatred: I think I read something like that, yes |
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| 14:52.57 | Greatred | ah okay thanks. i was wondering why my dvi file wasn't updating :D |
| 14:53.03 | testmachine | Starting mail server: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 22: Unknown setting: pop3_listen |
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| 14:53.06 | fr33mind | asg: same thing with nodevfs. |
| 14:53.13 | testmachine | anybody experience with dovecot? |
| 14:53.16 | nvz | I dont like hearing by default. Just doesnt sound right. |
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| 14:53.46 | nvz | nothing really happens without user interaction, and usually when they say something is "default" that just means they didnt read the documentation |
| 14:53.46 | ChrisBradley | fireball - downloading PowerMaxen.iso Bootable CD Image |
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| 14:53.59 | asg | fr33mind: hmmm |
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| 14:55.09 | ne_______ | When sumbitting a bug report how do i attach a patch ? Is it ok to attach a .patch as a mime attachement ? |
| 14:55.17 | azeem | ne_______: yes |
| 14:55.27 | azeem | or send it inline, but make sure tabs don't get screwed up then |
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| 14:56.22 | asg | ne_______: reportbug will prompt you for the file |
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| 14:58.08 | fr33mind | asg: if I try to load old 2.4 kernel, I have a kernel panic: unable to mount vs |
| 14:58.11 | ne_______ | asg i don't want to use reportbug i want to use mutt |
| 14:58.14 | lzap | I need to setup ssh to start after system boot, in Gentoo this is rc-update, in Deb? |
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| 14:58.48 | asg | ne_______: then just attach it as you regularly would. |
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| 14:58.57 | ne_______ | asg: thank you |
| 14:59.02 | asg | lzap: update-rc.d, rcconf |
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| 15:00.33 | ne_______ | asg: is it possible to submit the bug to the source package or do i have to choose one of the actual package ? |
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| 15:01.02 | azeem | ne_______: depends on the bug |
| 15:01.05 | warreng | what's the package for gcc?? build-essential or something |
| 15:01.10 | asg | ne_______: if 'bugs.debian.org/<src package>' returns something other than not found, you should be able to. |
| 15:01.14 | azeem | warreng: right |
| 15:03.05 | azeem | ne_______: if it fixes a specific bug in a specific binary package, you should probably file it against that (but then, the bug probably has been filed already). Otherwise, the source package is probably alright |
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| 15:04.58 | warhead | I have open port 889 on my pc, what is port 889?? |
| 15:05.09 | asg | warhead: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 15:05.20 | fr33mind | asg: I had a trouble installing kernel2.6, something was missing about ramdisk... I installed initramfs-tools something like that and apt-get kernel works after that... |
| 15:05.32 | asg | fr33mind: ah, okay. |
| 15:05.36 | warhead | ok |
| 15:05.39 | ne_______ | azeem: actually it is a patch to enable a new binary package from the source |
| 15:05.52 | warreng | how do i make eth1 always bind to the static IP 10.0.0.1 on boot up?? |
| 15:05.56 | warreng | (where are the network scripts) |
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| 15:06.01 | asg | warreng: man 5 interfaces |
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| 15:06.26 | jeanjacques | while using fsck i have a "bad magic number in super block"....what can i do i try to save my hardrive :( |
| 15:06.31 | fr33mind | asg: so? what to do? |
| 15:06.36 | quest_ | how can i acces a shared windows folder from debian? |
| 15:06.45 | Nirgal | warreng: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:06.49 | warhead | asg > rpc.statd , I need that or I can safe to remove from my system? |
| 15:06.59 | warreng | thanks |
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| 15:07.06 | asg | fr33mind: I'm afraid I don't know, I haven't run across that problem. Perhaps ask again and see if anyone else knows. |
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| 15:07.16 | asg | warhead: not unless you are using nfs |
| 15:07.30 | fr33mind | I just install kernel2.6 (sid) from a kernel2.4 and now I have my device when I type mount like this instead of /dev/hda1... : /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 on / type reiserfs (rw) Any idea?? |
| 15:07.36 | warhead | asg > Yes, I use NFS. |
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| 15:07.42 | warhead | asg > Tnx. |
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| 15:07.44 | asg | warhead: then you need it |
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| 15:08.17 | lzap | I need something for bash completition (bash-completition on gentoo), apt-cache in<TAB> ---> install |
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| 15:08.40 | stupendo44 | anybody know of a filesystem-related room I can talk in? |
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| 15:08.49 | asg | lzap: edit .bashrc and enable it |
| 15:08.51 | stupendo44 | I have a question about the fat32 file system |
| 15:09.03 | fr33mind | I need KERNEL-IMAGE or LINuX-IMAGE? |
| 15:09.10 | lzap | where? |
| 15:09.16 | blondie | fr33mind: no need to shout |
| 15:09.18 | asg | lzap: erm ~/.bashrc |
| 15:09.24 | streuner | stupendo44: if you don't use it on debian, its OT here |
| 15:09.24 | asg | lzap: /msg dpkg dotfiles |
| 15:09.40 | asg | !wikifaq lzap Dotfiles |
| 15:09.46 | dpkg | lzap: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Dotfiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:10.09 | streuner | stupendo44: there were a search engine on irchelp.org, not sure if it exist now |
| 15:10.12 | stupendo44 | I use fat32 on debian, but I had a more advanced question about it. I was wondering if anybody knows of a channel more specific to filesystems |
| 15:10.31 | streuner | !ask |
| 15:10.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:11.03 | asg | !dotfile is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 15:11.03 | dpkg | ...but dotfile is already something else... |
| 15:11.09 | asg | !dotfiles is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 15:11.10 | dpkg | asg: okay |
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| 15:11.32 | ChrisBradley | Does anyone know if CD/DVD creator automatically writes .iso files correctly? |
| 15:11.34 | streuner | stupendo44: !ask = just ask |
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| 15:11.39 | lzap | nothing about completion there, but thanks |
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| 15:11.52 | lzap | I meant somehting else... np |
| 15:12.03 | asg | lzap: # . /etc/bash_completion |
| 15:12.17 | asg | lzap: should be in your ~/.bashrc |
| 15:12.18 | stupendo44 | streuner: I know that. I already asked the question that I'm looking for the answer to |
| 15:12.29 | lur_fis | is there anyway in a single line commando, to get files from internet without wget? |
| 15:12.38 | bibe | lur_fis : curl? |
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| 15:12.47 | lur_fis | NajZ |
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| 15:13.01 | lur_fis | no that don't work |
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| 15:13.12 | fr33mind | I need to apt-get linux-image-686 or kernel-image-686 ? |
| 15:13.18 | asg | lur_fis: why can't you use wget? |
| 15:13.21 | streuner | stupendo44: hm, filesystem channel? answer search on irchelp.org? |
| 15:13.27 | lur_fis | asg; not installed. |
| 15:13.41 | asg | fr33mind: linux-image is the 2.6.14 kernel, kernel-image is for pre >2.6.14 |
| 15:13.51 | asg | lur_fis: then install it |
| 15:14.00 | loxley_ | ChrisBradley: what program? |
| 15:14.06 | lur_fis | how do i install it in a single-line commando then? |
| 15:14.09 | Althaser | how can I see which package has tkconfig ? please |
| 15:14.10 | lzap | where to setup default route? /etc/net/interfaces? theres nothing there? |
| 15:14.17 | asg | lur_fis: apt-get install wget |
| 15:14.21 | streuner | Althaser: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:14.22 | ChrisBradley | I'm writing an HD-Check iso to the CD |
| 15:14.26 | asg | lzap: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:14.31 | ChrisBradley | I think its working |
| 15:14.34 | lur_fis | asg: no that promts for a yes/no |
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| 15:14.51 | asg | lur_fis: man 5 interfaces prompts you for a yes/no? |
| 15:15.09 | asg | lur_fis: sorry, apt-get install wget prompts you for a yes/no? |
| 15:15.12 | stupendo44 | streuner: I guess that counts... I wouldn't have asked here if I hadn't already searched. Some people would, but not me |
| 15:15.13 | lur_fis | yes |
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| 15:15.22 | lzap | asg: but there is nothing about default gw... |
| 15:15.25 | asg | lur_fis: paste the exact error |
| 15:15.28 | lzap | only IP and netmask |
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| 15:15.47 | asg | lzap: you have to read it. 'gateway <address>' |
| 15:15.48 | jelly | lzap: yes, there is. |
| 15:15.50 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.50 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:15.58 | Althaser | streuner dpkg doesn't answer me :P |
| 15:15.59 | factor | what was the command to find the version of a lib I am using? |
| 15:16.23 | asg | factor: depends on the lib. Some libs will print their version if you execute them as a binary. |
| 15:16.29 | streuner | !tell Althaser about search |
| 15:16.33 | asg | factor: also, dpkg -l <lib> |
| 15:16.35 | lzap | oh Im blind sorry |
| 15:16.40 | boycer | lur_fis: perhaps apt-get -y install wget |
| 15:16.56 | lur_fis | : ) |
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| 15:17.06 | Althaser | streuner thanks |
| 15:18.18 | Nirgal | factor: you can see "ldconfig -p" too |
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| 15:18.41 | froztbyte | how do i (without synaptic,apt or whatever, dont have enough bandwidth and uptime for downloads) update a piece of software, for instance ALSA? i can build from source, but how do i update (replace files) etc safely |
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| 15:19.25 | boycer | froztbyte: if you can copy source code to the machine, why can't you download the .deb? |
| 15:19.33 | asg | froztbyte: you have enough time to download the src but not a precompiled binary? |
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| 15:20.10 | froztbyte | asg+boycer: got a friend to download src but massive schlep to lug pc around for update |
| 15:20.46 | froztbyte | asg: can also download binary, just how do i replace? i've had head-aches with .debs and i would really appreciate advice |
| 15:20.49 | asg | froztbyte: if you didn't download the debian src package, then installing the vanilla compiled binaries will break your Debian system. |
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| 15:21.07 | factor | thanks Nirgal |
| 15:21.13 | asg | froztbyte: you will have to install to /usr/local or /opt and then get Debian to use those instead. |
| 15:21.31 | David|dual | Hi folks I have a debian php5/apache2 issue |
| 15:21.34 | boycer | froztbyte: you can do nasty hacky things with paths and symlinks, but it ain't a very good idea |
| 15:21.46 | David|dual | Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in /home/website/forums/includes/class_xml.php on line 196 << getting this a lot |
| 15:21.50 | froztbyte | asg: ? where do i change the settings to tell debian to use new files? |
| 15:21.53 | David|dual | how do i install php5 with internal pcre |
| 15:22.01 | David|dual | rarther than using libpcre3 |
| 15:22.02 | asg | David|dual: ask #php |
| 15:22.06 | froztbyte | boycer: thnx for the heads-up |
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| 15:22.12 | asg | David|dual: or edit the debian/rules in the src package |
| 15:22.16 | David|dual | aaah |
| 15:22.19 | David|dual | Thanks asg |
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| 15:22.23 | David|dual | I'll try that |
| 15:22.34 | David|dual | where is the src package? |
| 15:22.57 | asg | froztbyte: it depends on what you are installing. Either way, if you don't know what you are doing, you are going to break something. Better to get your friend to download updated debs install those. |
| 15:23.15 | asg | David|dual: apt-get source <pkg> |
| 15:24.07 | asg | David|dual: use apt-get build-dep <pkg> to get the pre-requisite build packages you'll need also |
| 15:24.11 | RichiH | if you wanted to provide snmp readouts for your box about load, memory, interface io, uptime, what would you use? |
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| 15:24.31 | asg | RichiH: snmpd + rrdtool |
| 15:24.45 | RichiH | asg: good answer :) |
| 15:24.49 | froztbyte | asg: what would you recommend to use to install .debs? i've noted that (for some reason) synaptic can't (or is it just hidden somewhere) install a .deb locally. i run gnome (but do have kde and all related programs installed, if the program is in the kde package) |
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| 15:25.17 | asg | froztbyte: dpkg -i <deb> or use 'apt-move' to put them in a place you can 'apt-get install' them. |
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| 15:25.58 | froztbyte | thanks |
| 15:25.59 | asg | RichiH: also, Cricket and Munin can be useful for frontends |
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| 15:26.31 | blondie | #ubuntu |
| 15:26.35 | blondie | KTHXBYE |
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| 15:27.01 | DeadZed | KTHXBYE |
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| 15:27.22 | blondie | sorry for being so... blunt |
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| 15:27.38 | DeadZed | wet blunt |
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| 15:29.37 | clay | wet blunt is better than wet cig |
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| 15:30.13 | linlin | hi, i need to use apt-get on a proxy, where do i set this up |
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| 15:30.41 | asg | linlin: man apt.conf |
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| 15:30.59 | DeadZed | yeah, man , just man |
| 15:31.04 | ClayG | anyone here use vcdgear? |
| 15:31.12 | DeadZed | and --help |
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| 15:31.17 | DeadZed | and google.com |
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| 15:31.51 | kart_ | any one know which font is used for Debian Logo? |
| 15:32.42 | chrysopa | how to make the cp command show a progress bar of copy in terminal? Is possible? |
| 15:32.58 | thingfish | kart_: I believe it's logos. |
| 15:33.01 | asg | kart_: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 15:33.15 | thingfish | aah don' tmind me |
| 15:33.21 | ClayG | Whats a good player to play svcd/vcd's in? |
| 15:33.30 | ClayG | or one that will play it at all? |
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| 15:33.47 | adrian15 | ClayG, Mplayer, maybe Xine ? |
| 15:34.11 | thingfish | Poppl Laudation Condensed, that's it. |
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| 15:34.31 | asg | thingfish: sounds like something in a can |
| 15:34.43 | thingfish | hehe yes it does, doesn't it asg |
| 15:35.01 | lur_fis | how do I set the anonymous ftp dir in vsftp? |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | Armageddon666: you can't speak in here .. go away |
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| 15:35.21 | lur_fis | is there a string in vsftpd.conf ? |
| 15:35.49 | ClayG | what is a "toast compatible mpg"? |
| 15:36.21 | asg | lur_fis: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd has a lot of info and example configurations. |
| 15:36.35 | lur_fis | nice |
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| 15:37.15 | Syruss | where abouts are debian's network startup scripts, I have a few commands I'd like to issue to start up ra0 on boot, where should I put 'em)? |
| 15:37.38 | asg | Syruss: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:37.44 | asg | Syruss: look for the 'up and pre-up' keywords |
| 15:37.59 | warhead | any package for auto mount? (On mandrake,mandrive use super mount) |
| 15:38.06 | asg | warhead: autofs |
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| 15:38.24 | Syruss | cheers |
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| 15:39.04 | warhead | asg > too slow |
| 15:39.19 | asg | warhead: --timeout=2 works for me *shrug* |
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| 15:39.42 | asg | warhead: supermount isn't in Debian so you might have to grab the source and compile it. |
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| 15:40.27 | warhead | asg > Please send me Your config of autofs , mail: warhead@debian-world.com tnx. |
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| 15:40.38 | asg | warhead: /var/autofs/usb /etc/auto.usb --timeout=2 |
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| 15:41.04 | asg | warhead: drive -fstype=vfat,user,noauto,uid=asg,gid=asg :/dev/sda1 (in /etc/auto.usb) |
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| 15:41.59 | asg | warhead: that's all I ever use it for. I have a symlink from /mnt/usbdrive -> /var/autofs/usb/drive |
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| 15:42.07 | junix|work | is there a way to get clamav installed from the volitale repository? |
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| 15:42.23 | junix|work | it errors out on an account of libgmp3 |
| 15:42.25 | asg | junix|work: volatile.debian.net (read the instructions) |
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| 15:43.42 | ClayG | cd #vcdgear |
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| 15:44.51 | junix|work | asg: ....? |
| 15:45.27 | asg | junix|work: what error do you get for libgmp3? |
| 15:45.33 | asg | junix|work: also, what debian version are you running? |
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| 15:45.37 | junix|work | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:45.38 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.38 | junix|work | E: Broken packages |
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| 15:46.07 | lopuz | how can i find out what wlan module to use? |
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| 15:46.14 | junix|work | asg: i'm using pinning, but its mostly stable |
| 15:46.56 | asg | junix|work: well, stable contains libgmp3. Unstable, however, contains libgmp3c2 |
| 15:47.04 | junix|work | hmm.... |
| 15:47.15 | junix|work | asg: well i had libgmp3 on there.... |
| 15:47.27 | junix|work | asg: any suggestions |
| 15:47.51 | licued2 | alright I have a question, if one computer is running a VNC server, and sending that VNC data to another 'broadcast/proxy vnc server', could the broadcast vnc server redistribute the data to 3 other computers via iptables? |
| 15:47.52 | asg | junix|work: get the package from stable, dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 15:48.01 | asg | junix|work: hope there aren't any really odd conflicts. |
| 15:48.02 | junix|work | get which package? |
| 15:48.06 | asg | junix|work: libgmp3 |
| 15:48.10 | junix|work | ok |
| 15:48.14 | junix|work | how can i do that? |
| 15:48.19 | junix|work | apt-get -t stable libgmp3? |
| 15:48.34 | asg | junix|work: that might work. You can also just download it from a debian.org mirror |
| 15:48.38 | junix|work | ok |
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| 15:48.56 | junix|work | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:48.56 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.56 | junix|work | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 15:48.56 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.56 | junix|work | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 4 to remove and 35 not upgraded. |
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| 15:49.01 | blondie | SPAM |
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| 15:49.15 | junix|work | asg: did you see what i pasted? |
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| 15:49.59 | antgel | what a few days. the server crashed. filesystem fucked. last backup a month old. eventually after several fscks and about 50000 questions, everything dumped in lost+found courtesy of a corrupt root inode. |
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| 15:51.31 | ChrisBradley | fireball - Maxtor Drive Integrity Check Passed |
| 15:51.36 | ChrisBradley | This is an LVM issue |
| 15:51.53 | thingfish | antgel: why, no one should be allowed to have so much fun as that. |
| 15:52.24 | antgel | we're now back up <drumroll>. if anybody knows what the fuck could cause symptoms such as massive (e.g. 30GB) files in Maildirs with weird user/group id's, we'd love to know. almost all such files were in Maildirs. we suspect exim, courier, hax0red, maxt0r, ext3. all comments appreciated |
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| 15:53.41 | antgel | thingfish: yes, it has been a lot of fun for all concerned. we're too busy looking after our customers shit to get our own together. i want a fallover server now. |
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| 15:53.44 | ClayG | any tovid users here? |
| 15:53.45 | thingfish | antgel: I bet you do. |
| 15:54.06 | jelly | antgel: do the files' other attibutes make sense? What does fsck say? |
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| 15:56.21 | chuli | hi all |
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| 15:56.38 | antgel | jelly: the other attributes were not that sane, i think. fsck said a whole lot of stuff about inodes, multiply-shared blocks etc. it was scrolling shit up the screen for hours. |
| 15:57.07 | chuli | I've installed debian sarge on /dev/hda3. However I need to expand the first 2 partitions into 3. |
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| 15:57.23 | chuli | How do I tell linux that it's no longer going to be /dev/hda3 |
| 15:57.28 | chuli | ??? |
| 15:57.35 | jelly | antgel: your fs is b0rked. I'd spot-check the mailboxes, maybe the best thing would be to restore from backups. |
| 15:57.42 | de_mon | chuli fdisk /dev/hda ? |
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| 15:58.17 | chuli | so repartition everything, then run fdisk?? |
| 15:58.24 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 15:59.14 | de_mon | chuli fdisk is how you delete /dev/hda3 |
| 15:59.36 | antgel | jelly: we did. everything turned up in lost+found. i'm just vainly searching for a cause. logs are unhelpful |
| 15:59.39 | de_mon | cfdisk is probably more your cup of tea |
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| 16:00.35 | chuli | de_mon: I don't follow you. I can repartition the drives using qt_parted off of a live CD. OK so far? or what should I do? |
| 16:01.06 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 16:01.07 | de_mon | "How do I tell linux that it's no longer going to be /dev/hda3" |
| 16:01.09 | jelly | antgel: looks like fs corruption all right. Maybe some clues in kernel log, if the disk was nice enough to report errors. Do you have SMART available? |
| 16:01.19 | de_mon | that was your question, that is your answer. want a better answer? ask a better question |
| 16:01.44 | dobbyX | is there a difference between debian and other linuxes related to CR LF and TAB? Becuase i took a c++ program from a suse machin, which had number separeted with TAB stops. On suse it worked but not on debian anymore. When i change the tab stops to whitespaces, the program works also in Debian. I just don't understand why? And the other thing is that In suse i used in the c++ program 1.0 but in debian i have to do 1,0 hmm can someone help |
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| 16:01.57 | Syruss | how can I turn off/on dma for hdc at boot time? |
| 16:01.58 | jelly | antgel: oh sorry, didn't read that you checked the logs. |
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| 16:02.47 | chuli | ok let's try again---I'm trying to repartition my hd (so that linux is no longer going to be /dev/hda3). What's the best way to go about this? |
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| 16:03.27 | jelly | antgel: I suspect strange things would happen if the superblock for ext3 got corrupted, just one bad sector and the whole thing might go blam. |
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| 16:04.00 | jelly | antgel: and since you already ran fsck, it's probably too late to try with another superblock copy. |
| 16:04.50 | jelly | antgel: I've had things like that appear after a power failure once. |
| 16:04.56 | de_mon | Syruss hdparm does that iirc |
| 16:05.25 | chichi1 | chuli: you want to move your data from hda3 to another partition without loss? |
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| 16:06.13 | chuli | not necessarily, I'm going to expand the first 2 partitions into 3. But then /dev/hda3 will no longer be /dev/hda3. |
| 16:06.51 | darkskiez | dag nam it, ifconfig is listing interfaces repeatedly. |
| 16:07.00 | darkskiez | yet they appear once in /proc/net/dev |
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| 16:07.17 | chuli | (I've run out of room in my doc partition, /dev/hda2, so I'm going to turn my win partition into 2.) |
| 16:07.30 | chichi1 | so if hda3 becomes hda4 you'll want to notify your bootloader (grub?) AND your /etc/fstab |
| 16:07.53 | chuli | chich 1: is that all I need to do? |
| 16:08.35 | chichi1 | if i got you right: yes; did so many time |
| 16:08.49 | chuli | ok great, thanks for the help |
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| 16:09.35 | dobbyX | is it possible to replace all tabstop with a whitespace in afile using a linux command? |
| 16:09.44 | de_mon | dobbyX tr |
| 16:10.00 | blondie | or sed |
| 16:10.03 | de_mon | dobbyX sed works too, but that would be overkill |
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| 16:10.06 | chichi1 | dobbyX: sed |
| 16:10.16 | blondie | btw, tabs ARE whitespace |
| 16:10.21 | chichi1 | or tr;) |
| 16:10.55 | chichi1 | or emacs |
| 16:10.56 | sussudio | !test |
| 16:10.57 | dpkg | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
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| 16:11.44 | de_mon | point blondie |
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| 16:12.04 | Hali_303 | hi! |
| 16:12.04 | Hali_303 | which package contains xev? |
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| 16:12.35 | ams_ | Hali_303, dpkg -S `which xev` |
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| 16:13.01 | Hali_303 | ams_: thx |
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| 16:13.54 | de_mon | oh, he had it installed? |
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| 16:14.25 | crisfu | españa |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:14.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:14.39 | blondie | crisfu: spanner |
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| 16:16.00 | secher | Ok, last night I installed gnome-desktop and didn't reboot. today I booted up and, got gdm errors, the system locked, I rebooted, got up to CLI login, tried startx and got, amongst others: no core pointer, core devices missing, etc. etc. I tried to remove gdm, and it wants to take out everything gnome. How do I remove gdm without removing everything else? |
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| 16:16.47 | ams_ | secher, just reconfigure xserver, you've missconfigured your mouse |
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| 16:17.45 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 16:17.45 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 16:17.52 | abrotman | !drxx secher |
| 16:17.53 | dpkg | secher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:19.11 | secher | abrotman: hey man. problem is, I never reconfigured xorg.. |
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| 16:19.43 | Gandalf | i'm looking for a solution to monitor traffic over ip AND ports, i've found ipac-ng but can't get the rules file correct to do this, even on the supportchannel of ipac-ng no solution, so if someone has an other solution pls tell me! |
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| 16:20.12 | blondie | why don't you just use magic :) |
| 16:20.20 | Gandalf | magic? |
| 16:20.31 | secher | You're Gandalf, are you not? |
| 16:20.45 | blondie | indeed |
| 16:20.50 | Gandalf | yeah, but magic is for mail :p |
| 16:21.04 | Syruss | anyone know of a decent apt repository which includes mplayer etc?? |
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| 16:22.17 | Stereo | dpkg: tell Syruss about mplayer |
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| 16:24.45 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 16:24.45 | dpkg | somebody said mrtg was old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
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| 16:26.46 | fericitu_ | how can start kde from console ? |
| 16:26.52 | Syruss | !mplayer |
| 16:26.52 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 16:27.01 | abrotman | fericitu_: startkde ? #debian-kde ? |
| 16:27.05 | fericitu_ | pls hlp me |
| 16:27.07 | fericitu_ | da |
| 16:27.07 | andre80 | hi hi |
| 16:27.27 | andre80 | how to setup my network repository for a network installation ? |
| 16:27.45 | cleatonn | someone got time to help a noob? |
| 16:27.52 | andre80 | I already have the cd for the network installation |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | cleatonn: you have to ask in order to recieve help |
| 16:28.18 | Ronin | so then put it in the machine andre80 and reboot |
| 16:29.19 | cleatonn | how to get graphical? |
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| 16:29.27 | abrotman | cleatonn: which graphical would you like ? |
| 16:29.28 | secher | Ok, how do I remove gdm without removing gnome-desktop? |
| 16:29.45 | abrotman | secher: gnome-desktop is a metapackage .. fix your X .. then reinstall gdm/gnome-destkop |
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| 16:29.56 | cleatonn | dont know the options >,< |
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| 16:30.07 | abrotman | cleatonn: have oyu ever used linux before ? |
| 16:30.24 | secher | abrotman: I don't want gnome desktop or gdm, just the nifty tools gnome provides.. |
| 16:30.27 | cleatonn | o |
| 16:30.29 | cleatonn | no |
| 16:30.33 | abrotman | cleatonn: never?! |
| 16:30.46 | abrotman | cleatonn: what speed is your computer.. and how much ram ? |
| 16:30.47 | cleatonn | fist time |
| 16:30.54 | abrotman | secher: oh .. so .. remove gdm :) |
| 16:31.03 | cleatonn | 2500´+ barton 1024 |
| 16:31.06 | abrotman | ah ... |
| 16:31.15 | secher | abrotman: but then apt wants to remove everything else along with it.... |
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| 16:31.25 | MoLoot | I have a USB mouse and a USB keyboard on a debian box. Recently, I had a power outage, and had the machine reset. Now It seems that neither the mouse or keyboard are recognized, except when I pull plug/insert plug it says that blahb;ah is not claimed by any active driver... Any ideas? |
| 16:31.27 | abrotman | cleatonn: most people choose gnome or kde .. please look at http://gnome.org/ and http://kde.org/ and pick one you tihnk you might like to use |
| 16:31.28 | cleatonn | clocked to 3000+~ |
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| 16:31.47 | cleatonn | thx |
| 16:31.52 | abrotman | cleatonn: once you decide .. we'll help you install the one you choose |
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| 16:32.09 | MoLoot | lucky for me, I have sshd installed on the box, so I can hopefully fix this... |
| 16:32.13 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:32.34 | jeanjacques | how can i start the rsync daemon ? |
| 16:32.40 | antgel | jelly: the superblock was trashed. fsck found and used a copy. |
| 16:32.41 | jeanjacques | with debian woody ? |
| 16:32.42 | secher | I know there's a factoid from dpkg, but I don't remember what it is. |
| 16:32.51 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 16:32.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 16:33.16 | secher | abrotman: Danke. |
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| 16:33.31 | Vladii | hi, im trying to initialize a table i created ( populate it ) and i forgot the command can somone please help i have an .sql file i need to pipe? |
| 16:33.42 | abrotman | Vladii: which DB ? |
| 16:33.43 | andre80 | yes booting it from the cd will get me to start the network installation |
| 16:33.49 | Vladii | abrotman, mysql |
| 16:33.52 | andre80 | but my inet connection is slow |
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| 16:33.56 | abrotman | Vladii: might get better help in #mysql |
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| 16:34.04 | abrotman | andre80: how slow is slow ? |
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| 16:34.21 | andre80 | 4 kbps |
| 16:34.23 | jelly | antgel: so no cigar there. Maybe somebody tried write to the partition device? |
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| 16:34.33 | abrotman | andre80: dialup ? |
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| 16:34.41 | andre80 | i have the debian sarge dvd |
| 16:34.42 | andre80 | how can i setup my own network repository |
| 16:34.47 | andre80 | gprs dialup |
| 16:35.00 | bizkit | hi, i'm using ssh and pubkey as auth mechanism. works like a charm. now i tried it with putty under windows. i created a set of priv/pubkey using putty-gen and ssh2-rsa. then i pasted the line into my authorized_keys file.. and select my private key in putty.. bu it does not work |
| 16:35.03 | abrotman | !repository |
| 16:35.03 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | andre80: ^^ |
| 16:35.14 | andre80 | that is what i can afford now because internet here is expensive |
| 16:35.25 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
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| 16:35.50 | bizkit | the error is: no auth methods available |
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| 16:36.10 | bizkit | whereas it works fine when connecting from linux |
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| 16:36.57 | jelly | bizkit: I used dsa keys, generated with ssh-keygen and converted for use in putty, IIRC. |
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| 16:39.21 | cleatonn | i'll go for kde, how to install it? |
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| 16:39.33 | bizkit | jelly: i think my problem is putty and the format of the generated private key file |
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| 16:39.47 | cheal | !tell cleatonn about install kde |
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| 16:39.54 | jeanjacques | do you know how can i start the rsync daemon on woody ? |
| 16:40.03 | bizkit | jelly: the public keyline is the same as generated with ssh-keygen on linux |
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| 16:40.40 | abrotman | cleatonn: apt-get install x-window-system kdm kde |
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| 16:40.55 | markl_ | is anyone here familiar with an ldconfig/pentium3 "illegal instruction" bug |
| 16:41.10 | brosioz | how could i rotate to print orizzontaly with openoffice writer ? |
| 16:41.13 | Daveman | heh |
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| 16:41.37 | cahoot | bizkit: I had your problem - turned out to be a matter of linebreaking in thepubkey that I exported from win (putty) to lin |
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| 16:42.30 | cleatonn | thx |
| 16:42.53 | abrotman | !kline the bots! |
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| 16:43.15 | bizkit | cahoot: so what did you do? i tried opening it with vim and doing an set ff=unix but it didn't help |
| 16:43.29 | SquareRt | my mum's machine's freezing again... |
| 16:43.35 | abrotman | oven ? |
| 16:43.39 | SquareRt | I've noticed, monitoring the Health Status thing in the BIOS... |
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| 16:43.54 | SquareRt | that the Vdd is fluctuating from 1.48 to 1.68 volts |
| 16:44.00 | SquareRt | is that normal? |
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| 16:44.35 | abrotman | SquareRt: depends on your hardware .. ask #hardware .. |
| 16:44.56 | jelly | bizkit: works for me. <shrug> I just did: puttygen -t sda -o some.file, did puttygen some.file -O public-openssh, put that line in remote hosts authorized_keys, put the file into putty's configuration for that session and it works. |
| 16:45.09 | cahoot | bizkit: IIRC I opened the pubkey in notepad and in vim (on the linux side) - deleted a couple of chars that differed - not verey elegant but did the job |
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| 16:45.34 | CosmoDad | what package sets /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so? |
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| 16:45.51 | abrotman | CosmoDad: update-alternatives ? |
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| 16:46.39 | CosmoDad | abrotman: I can't use --config on that link since it's an .so |
| 16:46.42 | CosmoDad | abrotman: sic |
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| 16:46.53 | abrotman | CosmoDad: --list ? |
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| 16:46.56 | bizkit | jelly: using puttygen on windows? |
| 16:47.00 | CosmoDad | abrotman: works neither |
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| 16:47.21 | CosmoDad | abrotman: I could correct the symlink myself but I wanna know what package usually does it |
| 16:47.21 | jelly | bizkit: no, both putty and puttygen on Linux, don't have windows available atm. |
| 16:47.22 | abrotman | CosmoDad: how did it get there ? .. dpkg -S alternatives/firefix |
| 16:47.24 | abrotman | err fox |
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| 16:48.25 | jelly | bizkit: I suppose I can try the Windows version using Wine... |
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| 16:48.42 | jeanjacques | i try to lunch rsync using rsync --daemon but i don't have any results |
| 16:48.59 | jeanjacques | it doesn't appear in ps -aux |
| 16:49.04 | jeanjacques | i'm using woody |
| 16:49.08 | abrotman | jeanjacques: /etc/init.d/rsync restart ? |
| 16:49.10 | jeanjacques | any help someone ? |
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| 16:49.24 | CosmoDad | abrotman: no result... just saw there's another link called "libjavaplugin_oji_mozilla_firefox.so" which is linked correctly. Guess firefox uses this one, the other one might be obsolete |
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| 16:49.43 | jeanjacques | abrotman: i have this error message, n osuch file or directory |
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| 16:49.44 | abrotman | CosmoDad: very well could be .. btw .. java sucks :) |
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| 16:50.00 | abrotman | jeanjacques: dpkg -L rsync .. see anything useful ? |
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| 16:50.18 | CosmoDad | abrotman: lol |
| 16:50.20 | soymilk | does anyone know why the colors in mutt in a virtual console are slightly greyed compared to normal console font? |
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| 16:50.32 | CosmoDad | abrotman: tell me professor will ya? |
| 16:50.38 | Rawplayer | do |
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| 16:51.19 | abrotman | CosmoDad: java sucks ? |
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| 16:51.43 | CosmoDad | abrotman: yeah |
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| 16:52.39 | ^Willie^ | hi there |
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| 16:53.40 | ^Willie^ | who can tell me the difference between debian sarge mips and mipsel ?? |
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| 16:53.50 | loca|host_ | how can i know wich package provide a given file |
| 16:54.01 | doleyb | loca|host_: dpkg -S given_file |
| 16:54.10 | loca|host_ | i have a shared library file that i would like to know its parent package |
| 16:54.26 | loca|host_ | and what if the package wasnt installed on my system |
| 16:54.36 | [away]SmileY | question: i got an error while i was installing debian... it said that it can't copy kernel to the disk .... kernel: linux-386 ... help ? |
| 16:54.42 | loca|host_ | some thing with apt to check foreign repositos |
| 16:54.52 | doleyb | loca|host_: if not installed, apt-file, or http://packages.debian.org |
| 16:55.07 | blondie | erm can you install the i386 version of debian on an AMD64 box and then just install the AMD64 kernel or is there an AMD64 "version" of debian? |
| 16:55.36 | ^Willie^ | blondie : nope |
| 16:55.38 | abrotman | blondie: there is an amd64 kernel ... |
| 16:55.53 | loca|host_ | doleyb, thx a lot |
| 16:55.53 | ^Willie^ | blondie : all other bin`s are still i386 |
| 16:55.54 | abrotman | blondie: and there is a pure64 version of debian |
| 16:56.07 | blondie | ok |
| 16:56.09 | ^Willie^ | who can help me with some advice for mips systems |
| 16:56.14 | abrotman | !tell blondie about amd64 |
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| 16:56.22 | abrotman | ^Willie^: it's a dying architecture ? |
| 16:56.30 | ^Willie^ | moment let me get some specs |
| 16:56.34 | abrotman | ^Willie^: big endian .. little endian |
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| 16:57.22 | ^Willie^ | abrotman: it is an (sun) cobalt raq2 with 250MHz mips rm5200 (64bit) |
| 16:57.44 | cheal | ^Willie^: they're for different CPU architectures |
| 16:57.50 | ^Willie^ | i know i can install debian sarge on it but the howto is not telling what dist the use mips or mipsel |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | ^Willie^: check the install guides for each .. it sohuld give you a hint |
| 16:58.00 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 16:58.30 | ^Willie^ | if it run stable better then debian for desktop it will run as gateway/mailserver |
| 16:58.44 | doleyb | blondie: but remember, don't use amd64 code unless you have a good reason. |
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| 16:59.05 | blondie | why not? |
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| 16:59.22 | abrotman | blondie: not everything works on pure64 .. like OO1 and flash |
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| 16:59.29 | abrotman | dunno about OO2 |
| 16:59.37 | blondie | OO1? |
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| 16:59.46 | blondie | open office? |
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| 16:59.59 | doleyb | blondie: because some things won't work... 3rd party binaries, drivers, apps, etc. amd64 is almost like "if you have to ask, it's too risky for you" |
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| 17:00.16 | blondie | ah right yes |
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| 17:00.48 | ^Willie^ | thnx i have found it |
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| 17:00.59 | doleyb | check the package repo, and see if everything you want to run is in it already. but don't expect to easy run things that don't come from debian packages (flashplayer, mplayer, etc) |
| 17:01.03 | [away]SmileY | question: i got an error while i was installing debian... it said that it can't copy kernel to the disk .... kernel: linux-386 ... help ? |
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| 17:01.16 | jeanjacques | abrotman: nope the dpkg -L rsync didn't give me much informations |
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| 17:01.53 | abrotman | !rsync |
| 17:01.53 | dpkg | it has been said that rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 17:02.02 | abrotman | jeanjacques: AND .. please read /usr/share/doc/rsync/ |
| 17:02.25 | jeanjacques | abrotman: ok thank you |
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| 17:05.14 | Syruss | is there any way of making an interface in /etc/networking/interfaces fall back to a secondary configuration if the first doesn't work? |
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| 17:06.09 | Armageddon | ls |
| 17:06.18 | jeanjacques | abrotman: i've readen the rsync doc but excepted rsync --daemon i don't know what could i do ? |
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| 17:06.55 | abrotman | jeanjacques: read the other articles dpkg listed |
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| 17:07.24 | abrotman | !ops please ban Armageddon who was Abaddon666 and has already been banned |
| 17:07.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban Armageddon who was Abaddon666 and has already been banned |
| 17:07.46 | abrotman | IOW .. ban evasion |
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| 17:08.07 | bizkit | jelly: i tried your above suggestions (puttygen to generate under linux, converting into pubkey for openssh.. setting pubkey, connecting with private key generated via puttygen earlier.. does not work |
| 17:08.11 | douglas | i'd like to get postfix to handle email of my different domains, and i've seen before a way to do this on other systems logging in with a + instead of @, but how do I make those addresses for it to keep track of? |
| 17:08.29 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 17:08.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 17:08.39 | bizkit | jelly: the sshd doesn't print an error in debug mode |
| 17:08.55 | hebfftijd | does debian has its own deb package voor flashplayer |
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| 17:09.00 | Armageddon | What did i do to be banned again? |
| 17:09.24 | sfullenwider | are all scsi cdroms /dev/scdx? |
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| 17:09.32 | Armageddon | I did not even openned my mouth! |
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| 17:09.36 | bizkit | jelly: may i query you? |
| 17:09.40 | sfullenwider | or is there a device name for the different busses? |
| 17:09.58 | douglas | Armageddon: best not to question these things.. you're here now, let it slide |
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| 17:10.08 | Eulex | hebfftijd, install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:10.24 | Armageddon | Ok! |
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| 17:11.18 | bizkit | Eulex: well you didn't read the stuff we talked about earlier, so jelly know's what the problem is and what "doesn't work" means.. don't panic |
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| 17:11.31 | abrotman | Armageddon: you were banned once .. you rejoined .. that's called ban evasion |
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| 17:11.50 | abrotman | yay |
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| 17:12.22 | beardy | indeed |
| 17:12.54 | mike_sol | hey guys |
| 17:13.27 | jeanjacques | abrotman: sincerly i really don't get what should i do with rsync.. |
| 17:13.30 | mike_sol | quick mysql question, if you're game. if i have an auto_increment field, does it matter if i put something in it's spot in an INSERT query? will it be overwritten no matter what |
| 17:13.52 | abrotman | mike_sol: you probably sohuld not .. but ask #mysql for clarification |
| 17:14.02 | mike_sol | alright |
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| 17:15.50 | abrotman | jeanjacques: /etc/rsyncd.conf ? |
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| 17:16.20 | abrotman | jeanjacques: i don't run rsync .. i just gave you places to look |
| 17:16.39 | jeanjacques | abrotman: ok i understand, and i thank you for your help |
| 17:16.50 | fericitu_ | how can install the rpm files in debian ...hlp me pls |
| 17:16.55 | abrotman | jeanjacques: if you wait a bit .. and then ask again .. is it pretty urgent? |
| 17:16.58 | abrotman | !tell fericitu_ about alien |
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| 17:17.40 | jeanjacques | abrotman: in fact i'm trying to use systemimager-client on debian woody to clone a computer which has a hard drive that is going to die... |
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| 17:18.11 | abrotman | jeanjacques: hrm .. yeah .. wait a bit .. ask again |
| 17:18.12 | douglas | i want to handle all my email of my other domains on one box.. I got MX records pointing at it, just wondering how to create these + accounts |
| 17:18.23 | douglas | isn't this possible? |
| 17:18.24 | jeanjacques | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 17:18.24 | tommi^ | Hi. I used to use debian but then moved to mandrake, used ubuntu for a half year, tested opensuse and now I'm running FC4. And you know what, I'm downloading Debian CD iso |
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| 17:18.47 | abrotman | jeanjacques: sorry i couldn't help more .. rsync --daemon seems correct to me |
| 17:18.47 | tommi^ | argh, enter... at the moment. So thanks for everybody who has developed Debian. |
| 17:19.15 | Alumni | Is anyone familiar with Suspend2? |
| 17:19.16 | jeanjacques | abrotman: thank you for your help abrotman i really appreciates |
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| 17:19.40 | abrotman | jeanjacques: also .. check /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 17:19.59 | jeanjacques | abrotman: this file is not existing |
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| 17:20.27 | abrotman | jeanjacques: it certainly should |
| 17:20.42 | jeanjacques | abrotman: ok i'm gonna re-install rsync |
| 17:21.13 | abrotman | ok |
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| 17:22.56 | jeanjacques | when i try telnet localhost 873 |
| 17:22.56 | jeanjacques | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 17:22.56 | jeanjacques | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 17:22.58 | jeanjacques | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.10 | abrotman | could be |
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| 17:23.21 | abrotman | could be |
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| 17:24.28 | cleatonn | ok,now i need help agian >.< |
| 17:24.50 | cleatonn | i get fatal error : no screens found, when i start kde |
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| 17:25.17 | cleatonn | where to fix that? |
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| 17:26.04 | cleatonn | or how |
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| 17:28.55 | ChrisBradley | I will invite interested parties in Debian Etch Testing Experimental AES to #knox |
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| 17:29.04 | tommi^ | Is there a way to find out if package x is included on sarge iso cd n? |
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| 17:29.11 | azeem | ChrisBradley: please stop spamming |
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| 17:29.12 | asg | tommi^: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 17:29.29 | HellDragon | hi, u fat monkey |
| 17:29.30 | r3tex | no install xorg, do i just replace xserver-xfree86 with xserver-xorg? |
| 17:29.35 | mike_sol | ChrisBradley, invite me that i may berate you and your channel |
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| 17:29.54 | asg | r3tex: yes |
| 17:30.02 | r3tex | cool =) |
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| 17:30.39 | mike_sol | i did indeed get invited to #knox, and i did indeed berate ChrisBradley |
| 17:30.44 | tommi^ | asg, aa, thank you. "cd iso" did not yield any results :) |
| 17:31.02 | ChrisBradley | fireball - it appears to be operational |
| 17:31.11 | ChrisBradley | The API loads in dmesg |
| 17:31.19 | r3tex | asg: do you run xorg? |
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| 17:31.26 | HellDragon | HellDragon: omg u fat monkey |
| 17:31.26 | HellDragon | =ESU= £ØŔÄ: rgr that |
| 17:31.27 | r3tex | asg: do you have ATI or Nvidia? |
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| 17:31.37 | cleatonn | how to uninstall kde? |
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| 17:31.45 | asg | r3tex: on my sid box, yes. It has an ATI Mobility M9 but I use the standard xorg driver, not the binary one. |
| 17:31.50 | drac | cleatonn: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 17:32.00 | sylvain | hi there, i'm not much of a programmer, and i have noticed that lots of programs for linux are distributed as source code. something like "source.tar.gz" is a common find. |
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| 17:32.13 | sylvain | how do i run, or compile such a thing?! |
| 17:32.24 | Ch|m| | how i will configure my networking in Redhat 7.0 |
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| 17:32.26 | asg | sylvain: first, see if Debian has already packaged the program |
| 17:32.29 | Phated | Read the README, often included in these files. |
| 17:32.30 | asg | Ch|m|: #redhat |
| 17:32.35 | mike_sol | sylvain, typically they come with decent readmes, but normally it's "./configure, make, make install" |
| 17:32.55 | mike_sol | there is something called Checkinstall that can make your life easier should you ever want to remove these source balls |
| 17:32.58 | asg | sylvain: if you do end up compiling code, you'll need the 'build-essential' package |
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| 17:33.11 | asg | sylvain: and any '*-dev' packages the source code requires |
| 17:33.23 | doleyb | sylvain: always run "apt-cache search" first to see if debian includes that program. |
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| 17:34.12 | Kluster_v2 | oh and lose AEI.. one of the worst freakin' ISPs |
| 17:34.18 | bwlang | so ... my load average is 3 on one of my old servers... but ps aux shows 0.0 in every line for %CPU - what gives? |
| 17:34.42 | asg | bwlang: look at the output of 'vmstat 5' for a few minutes. What do the 'r' and 'b' columns say? |
| 17:34.45 | mike_sol | bwlang, try top, see what's floating up |
| 17:34.50 | sylvain | so "make" is actually a compiler? |
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| 17:35.02 | mike_sol | sylvain, make is a complex script which helps automate the building process |
| 17:35.05 | asg | sylvain: no, it's a tool to drive compilers, linkers, etc. |
| 17:35.18 | mike_sol | 'gcc' is usually the compiler in the backend. with ld and friends to connect it up. |
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| 17:35.25 | psychonate | Is there any way I can search to see what package provides a specific file? I don't know which package provides esddsp. |
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| 17:35.29 | bwlang | mike_sol: nothing -... |
| 17:35.32 | asg | psychonate: apt-file |
| 17:35.44 | mike_sol | asg, thanks! i always used the debian website to do that :P |
| 17:35.52 | asg | mike_sol: you're welcome |
| 17:36.00 | bwlang | asg: cpu is mostly in "wa"... i wonder what it's waiting for... |
| 17:36.09 | roler | I am running windows xp in vmware under debian. does anyone know how to add a resolution to the windows display driver that vmware uses? I run at 1440x900 in linux and the only thing windows has is 1400x1050 and that won't work on my screen... |
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| 17:36.54 | HellDragon | Hi Timmy. you are so funny. I love you with mouth :> :) KTHX bye |
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| 17:37.08 | mike_sol | what |
| 17:37.09 | bwlang | roler: sounds like a vmware bug... they'll support you. |
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| 17:37.20 | pureone | Timmeh? |
| 17:37.34 | mike_sol | roler, maybe Powerstrip for windows will let you? it can create custom monitor drivers for windows |
| 17:37.58 | roler | hmm! |
| 17:38.37 | bwlang | python2.2 is using up 868m of VIRT... is that normal? |
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| 17:40.18 | mike_sol | bwlang, it's what python's running is the question |
| 17:40.22 | mike_sol | are you torrenting? :D |
| 17:40.31 | diverge | after i apt-get msttcorefonts how do i start using the new fonts? |
| 17:40.38 | cleatonn | i need help with kde, when i startkde i get : cannot connect to X server |
| 17:41.02 | doleyb | cleatonn: normally you shouldn't need to "startkde", why do you do that? |
| 17:41.04 | psychonate | asg, I can't seem to get apt-file to work. Maybe I am doing something wrong. 'apt-file search esd' finds nothing, even though I have esd installed from a package. (I was using this search as a test.) |
| 17:41.04 | mike_sol | diverge, assuming you have defoma and the like, it should be automatic. you may need to restart font-using programs or log out of a desktop environ. |
| 17:41.15 | diverge | ok thanks mike_sol |
| 17:41.17 | diverge | brb |
| 17:41.27 | mike_sol | uh, hope i was right :/ |
| 17:41.39 | cleatonn | how to get graphical then? |
| 17:41.44 | bwlang | mike_sol: no - this is a little server... runs zope. - i just killed python and the load is dropping off now.... i guess it was in heavy swap... |
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| 17:42.05 | doleyb | cleatonn: startkde requires you are already graphical, consider "startx" or "apt-get install kdm" instead. |
| 17:42.41 | cleatonn | startx = fatal server error: no screens found |
| 17:42.45 | mike_sol | bwlang, i don't know much about zope, but you may be able to optimize other things to help that. putting swap on a different disk (on a seperate ide channel / controller); adding ram; using a different IO scheduler |
| 17:43.20 | mike_sol | cleatonn, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:43.31 | bwlang | mike_sol: or just killing it when it runs amok... it's fine usually - but it just ran away and went crazy |
| 17:43.41 | leitao | is tehere any script to detect sound card, linke sndcard? |
| 17:43.59 | bwlang | mike_sol: one time in 399 days isn't too bad i guess... |
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| 17:44.26 | doleyb | leitao: alsaconf is a script |
| 17:44.28 | cleatonn | xserver-xorg not installed |
| 17:44.34 | sylvain | all right! using apt-cache search i checked that my package is not included with debian. the "build-essential" has been installed. the package i'm downloading has: no decent readme. a Makefile.in and configure.in |
| 17:44.34 | leitao | doleyb : thx |
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| 17:44.59 | doleyb | sylvain: what is program? (it's not a "package") |
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| 17:45.59 | sylvain | oops then should I say program? what i'm trying to install seems to be some kind of drum machine, "fultron" |
| 17:46.06 | asg | sylvain: does it have a 'configure' script or just configure.in |
| 17:46.13 | sylvain | my concern is more getting it working from source code than playing the drum itself |
| 17:46.14 | cleatonn | how to reconfigure kde? |
| 17:46.43 | asg | cleatonn: #debian-kde |
| 17:46.48 | valdyn_ | !wayttd cleatonn |
| 17:46.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cleatonn? |
| 17:47.02 | sylvain | asg: indeed there's a shell script called "configure" |
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| 17:47.17 | doleyb | sylvain: look for "configure", if not found look for "bootstrap", if not try "autoconf" |
| 17:47.24 | cleatonn | valdyn_ get my kde to work >< |
| 17:47.35 | asg | sylvain: the run ./configure --help (read about the exciting options you may want) and run ./configure --foo --bar |
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| 17:48.17 | valdyn_ | cleatonn: forget kde for now, you want to get your X working |
| 17:48.25 | valdyn_ | !noscreensfound |
| 17:48.25 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 17:49.11 | doleyb | sylvain: basically, "./configure" "make" "./fultron" |
| 17:49.20 | noio | ola |
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| 17:49.33 | sylvain | asg: doleyb: what is the meaning of that "./" ? |
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| 17:49.56 | doleyb | sylvain: it's what you type when you run a program from current directory, instead of installed in main system. |
| 17:50.17 | asg | sylvain: the current directory '.' is not in your $PATH for security reasons |
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| 17:50.54 | noio | i need to boot with vga console to install |
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| 17:51.04 | sylvain | aaaah, so that's why bash kept yelling "command not found" while i kept yelling "configure" |
| 17:51.09 | asg | sylvain: yes |
| 17:51.30 | noio | nvidia driver (need help) |
| 17:51.35 | lekvar | Why does x-ttcidfont-conf suggest choosing freetype over xtt? |
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| 17:51.38 | asg | noio: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:51.41 | beardy | noio: Install what, and how do you avoid to boot with one? |
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| 17:52.04 | goodgirl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.51 | noio | i need install ge-f 6600 gt agp 8x |
| 17:52.56 | beardy | noio: (If you are using the rivafb framebuffer and the nvidia-driver whines about it, don't use rivafb.) |
| 17:53.01 | azeem | goodgirl: there is a 'consultants' on www.debian.org you could look at |
| 17:53.04 | azeem | +page |
| 17:53.18 | noio | i don'y know i have installed |
| 17:53.27 | noio | debian with gnome default |
| 17:53.40 | asg | goodgirl: iirc, HP provides support for a fee. |
| 17:54.09 | azeem | asg: only if they sell you the hardware as well, maybe? |
| 17:54.10 | noio | i'am linux newbie |
| 17:54.22 | beardy | noio: Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6 for a console, Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to X. |
| 17:54.29 | beardy | !tell noio -about grounding |
| 17:54.41 | asg | azeem: I was under the impression that they did consulting irrespective of HW. That might have changed. |
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| 17:55.02 | asg | azeem: it was the initiative of Bruce Perens. |
| 17:55.13 | lekvar | on the topic of nvidia cards, is there any good reason to use nvidia's agp driver over agpgart? |
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| 17:55.24 | noio | yes beardy but the message is |
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| 17:55.30 | noio | x server already running |
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| 17:55.33 | noio | ... |
| 17:55.42 | valdyn_ | lekvar: no |
| 17:55.58 | beardy | noio: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:56.02 | asg | goodgirl: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ (also has information) |
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| 17:56.24 | goodgirl | asg and azeem: thanks checking |
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| 17:56.30 | asg | goodgirl: you're welcome |
| 17:56.45 | lekvar | and nvidia-kernel-source works okay with the 2.6.12 kernel I'm about to compile? I *need* to compile it with my own kernel right? |
| 17:56.45 | noio | beardy i need to install |
| 17:56.48 | goodgirl | Im open for quotes here anyway, in case someone has got time now |
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| 17:56.57 | noio | g-force 6600 driver |
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| 17:57.11 | noio | do you want see readme.txt ?? |
| 17:57.12 | lekvar | valdyn_: (and thanks) |
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| 17:57.22 | asg | goodgirl: if you have a website with a statement of work and/or requirements, you might let us know the URL. |
| 17:57.25 | valdyn_ | lekvar: no, you need to compile it for the kernel you want it to work with |
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| 17:57.37 | lekvar | dank shoen |
| 17:57.41 | tarzeau | really looks good, no? http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/dillo-yahoo.png |
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| 17:57.52 | goodgirl | asg: Hardware is a thinkpad x41 with usb CD drive attached, ADSL for downloading any fines available (provided ipw2200 wifi works first) = Got a knoppix CD, etc etc .. and what I would like to get to work after the install is connecting to 3G with an Option 3G UMTS card, tuition on keeping system safe and updated, installing a patched driver for Proxim Orinoco wifi card and and installing a couple of applications, customizations, |
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| 17:58.51 | noio | beardy ?? |
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| 17:59.05 | cheal | tarzeau: no :) |
| 17:59.07 | rebel | Testing version of k3b ? i can't find it in etch's repository... |
| 17:59.16 | cheal | rebel: it's not in testing |
| 17:59.18 | Jondo | Is it normal for CVS to, upon attempting an import, allocate >1G ram, and do absolutely nothing? |
| 17:59.27 | rebel | ah ok |
| 17:59.29 | beardy | noio: Someone told you about nvidia, didn't they? |
| 17:59.34 | tarzeau | cheal: renders faster than mozilla and firefox! |
| 17:59.37 | l3m | i'm looking for a table with all boot vga=xy modes but even google couldn't help me.. anyone here knows where to find them? |
| 17:59.38 | sylvain | i'm way further now. it all ends up in an strange "unavailable command: sdl-config"... while SDL is present on my system. |
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| 17:59.45 | tarzeau | cheal: loads even up faster than firefox renders it |
| 17:59.55 | cheal | lekvar: you don't need a custom kernel to use NVIDIA's binary drivers |
| 18:00.00 | tarzeau | l3m: check the source? |
| 18:00.00 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: does it yet render non-modal though? |
| 18:00.11 | asg | sylvain: you forgot the part about '*-dev' packages I mentioned earlier |
| 18:00.12 | l3m | tarzeau: kernel source? |
| 18:00.22 | cheal | tarzeau: for speed, I'm considering changing from firefox to konqueror :) |
| 18:00.22 | diverge | all my fonts look like poop now |
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| 18:00.25 | tarzeau | l3m: yes |
| 18:00.26 | asg | sylvain: Debian splits packages between runtime and developmental tools |
| 18:00.44 | asg | sylvain: fortunately, the -dev tools are usually in packages with the same name and -dev on the end. |
| 18:00.45 | beardy | noio: "< asg> noio: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner" (type /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner in your irc client, and read and follow what it says.) |
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| 18:01.33 | lekvar | cheal: I'm already compiling a custom kernel. I didn't think I could use the binary nvidia drivers with one, but I wasn't certain. |
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| 18:03.00 | sylvain | asg: how can I find out if the source code requires any "*-dev" tool ? is there a nicer way besides reading all the code? |
| 18:03.19 | cheal | lekvar: you can, just follow the nvidia-howto if you need instructions |
| 18:03.21 | abrotman | try to compile it .. wait for it to bitch ? |
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| 18:03.36 | lekvar | i'll just leave it out to start with. one problem at a time |
| 18:03.38 | noio | beardy how to See <non-free sources> ?? |
| 18:03.53 | abrotman | !tell noio about nonfree |
| 18:03.57 | noio | in synaptic ?? |
| 18:04.26 | cleatonn | how to install .run files >.< |
| 18:04.32 | beardy | !tell noio about non-free sources |
| 18:04.35 | tarzeau | valdyn_: dunno, what about you try it out? |
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| 18:04.37 | valdyn_ | cleatonn: normall you dont |
| 18:04.39 | valdyn_ | cleatonn: normally you dont |
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| 18:04.47 | cleatonn | ok |
| 18:04.49 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite valdyn_ |
| 18:04.58 | azeem | asg: ah |
| 18:05.01 | asg | sylvain: look at the errors. If it can find some SDL library, then 'apt-cache search sdl -- -dev'. Rinse, repeat. |
| 18:05.11 | cleatonn | then what to do with them? |
| 18:05.35 | beardy | noio: I'm not familliar with synaptic. |
| 18:05.42 | abrotman | cleatonn: what is it ? |
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| 18:05.47 | cleatonn | driver |
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| 18:05.55 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: no css support =/ |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | cleatonn: for what ? |
| 18:06.04 | cleatonn | nvidia |
| 18:06.12 | noio | thnks beardy |
| 18:06.13 | abrotman | !tell cleatonn about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:06.16 | noio | see you later |
| 18:06.19 | tarzeau | valdyn_: informatuion and web works perfeect without css! |
| 18:06.36 | tarzeau | !css |
| 18:06.36 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 18:07.07 | azeem | noio: Settings->Repositories |
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| 18:07.49 | cheal | !tel cleatonn about nvidia-installer |
| 18:07.59 | cheal | !tell cleatonn about nvidia-installer |
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| 18:11.23 | diverge | ok i installed the msfont package but they still are no where to be found, i ran dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf and restarted X |
| 18:11.30 | sylvain | asg: found it. libsdl1.2-dev. sorry to bother, i just don't really know what to do with it :S |
| 18:11.43 | thomas22 | I wondering if anyone can trouble shoot this: when using the command mount /dev/cdrom what to do when this mesaage comes up "status=0x51 error=0x54" <-- this is only part of the message. |
| 18:11.53 | asg | sylvain: install it, type 'make clean' in your source tree. Then run ./configure --foo again. |
| 18:12.07 | tarzeau | thomas22: replace harddisk |
| 18:12.17 | asg | sylvain: keep doing that until all dependancies are met. Once done, type 'make' then 'make install' (the last one as root) |
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| 18:12.34 | MrBallZ | AHHHHHHHHh i have a problem =__( |
| 18:12.46 | asg | sylvain: make *SURE* you used --prefix=/usr/local (or didn't set one since its the default) or it might overwrite critical system files and hose your box. |
| 18:13.00 | asg | MrBallZ: malfunctioning capslock key? |
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| 18:13.20 | sylvain | aaah, so the results of apt-cache search are not necessarely *installed* packages. |
| 18:13.22 | valdyn_ | diverge: and you did what reconfiguring x-ttcidfont-conf tells you to do? |
| 18:13.28 | asg | sylvain: no, only available ones |
| 18:13.30 | MrBallZ | i turned on my server today morning , and it says , " / contains a file system with error, check forced /: Unexpected inconsistency: run fsck manually ... fsck failed , repair manually and reboot .. |
| 18:13.37 | bwlang | is is possible to have multiple items in resolv.conf search line? according to man resolv.conf it is... but when i add a second domain name and try to ping by simple name i get "unknown host" (full name.domain works fine) |
| 18:13.37 | thomas22 | tarzeau: you mean the harddrive I guess - that sounds like a very time consuming solution... |
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| 18:13.53 | sylvain | asg: thanks for all the info, it'll be forever useful |
| 18:13.58 | asg | sylvain: dpkg -la | egrep ^[hi]i (for installed ones) |
| 18:14.07 | bbrazil | bwlang: yes, but there is a performance hit |
| 18:14.18 | hebfftijd | flashplayer-mozilla does it still exist |
| 18:14.19 | tarzeau | thomas22: /(dev/cdrom is a link to what? |
| 18:14.28 | jelly | bizkit: sorry, i was afk, are you still there? |
| 18:14.41 | asg | hebfftijd: apt-cache search flash mozilla (see if it does) |
| 18:14.46 | bwlang | bbrazil: well - they're both local - so it's okay - right now it just does not work |
| 18:15.29 | thomas22 | tarzeau: supposedly to iso9660 cd-rom according to fstab |
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| 18:16.05 | tarzeau | thomas22: it's really a cdrom drive? with a cd in? |
| 18:16.13 | hebfftijd | swf-player but my system always hangs when i have to use it in a browser |
| 18:16.21 | goodgirl | asg: I dont really want anything official |
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| 18:17.07 | MrBallZ | =_ _ ( |
| 18:17.15 | asg | goodgirl: my current contractual obligations prevent me from doing side jobs or I would help :( |
| 18:17.19 | thomas22 | tarzeau: Yes, with a cd in it. the tray slides in and out. Whenever I boot up kde I get an error regarding the cdrom drive, i dont remember exactly what I could find out for you. |
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| 18:17.52 | goodgirl | asg: yeah I m very busy as well |
| 18:17.54 | bwlang | MrBallZ: did you try fscking from a bootable distro (like knoppix)... could be a disk failure- in which case you're out of luck |
| 18:17.57 | asg | abrotman: I'm not allowed to accept beer bribes either; new state law. |
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| 18:18.13 | bwlang | MrBallZ: what file system was that? |
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| 18:18.33 | thomas22 | tarzeau: file:///media/cdrom does not exist (when clicking on the desktop cd icon) |
| 18:18.36 | lekvar | I'm looking for a deb for links2 with actual ssl/tls support... |
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| 18:18.52 | bbrazil | lekvar: I think there's a links-ssl package |
| 18:18.56 | thomas22 | tarzeau: Im pretty sure it used to work - no idea why its doing this |
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| 18:19.29 | sylvain | btw, is it possible to save this channel's log ? (bitchx) |
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| 18:19.39 | lekvar | bbrazil: there is but it seems to be concerned with elinks rather thank links2 |
| 18:19.50 | MrBallZ | bwlang: ext3 , |
| 18:19.52 | asg | sylvain: see if '/help' lists a logging feature |
| 18:19.56 | MrBallZ | yeah , im booting into linux right now |
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| 18:20.12 | bwlang | MrBallZ: well... give the fsck a shot - maybe you'll be able to recover something |
| 18:20.20 | asg | abrotman: I didn't take the bribe, you can't deport me. Besides, I have a Green Card. |
| 18:20.22 | fericitu_ | how big must be the root partitions ???? |
| 18:20.24 | abrotman | probably a big lost+found directory |
| 18:20.24 | fericitu_ | ps help me |
| 18:20.34 | abrotman | asg: fine .. we'll send you to canada! |
| 18:20.39 | bbrazil | lekvar: why not just use elinks? |
| 18:20.46 | asg | abrotman: If I could find a job that I liked, I'd be there in a moment. |
| 18:20.53 | fericitu_ | i want to make all manual .... |
| 18:21.09 | lekvar | bbrazil: I just love links2's graphical mode |
| 18:21.12 | asg | fericitu_: no you don't |
| 18:21.15 | tarzeau | lekvar: i got them |
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| 18:21.23 | lekvar | bbrazil: it's so fast i always feel like i'm cheating : |
| 18:21.27 | tarzeau | lekvar: but i'm not allowed to distribute them, bug the authors |
| 18:21.32 | mike_sol | aaag everything's going wrong today |
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| 18:21.35 | MrBallZ | bwlang: f**k .... why meeee =_ _ ( , it was working perfectly yesterday , and i turned it off , after weeks of having it on .... |
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| 18:21.41 | tarzeau | lekvar: for tls, go ahead, i accept patches (two people have failed so far) |
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| 18:21.42 | abrotman | asg: professional curler ? |
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| 18:21.51 | tarzeau | bbrazil: links-ssl doesn't do graphics |
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| 18:21.54 | lekvar | i'll compile it myself but i'd prefer to have a proper deb that's all really, but i haven't been able to locate one so far |
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| 18:22.01 | abrotman | mike_sol: just wait til your car won't start |
| 18:22.04 | asg | abrotman: now, that would be something |
| 18:22.13 | bbrazil | tarzeau: I expect my links not to do graphics :) |
| 18:22.17 | bwlang | MrBallZ: well - if you're in the US you have a couple of days to fix it - you didn't really want turkey anyway did you? ;) |
| 18:22.17 | fericitu_ | how big must be the root partition ???? |
| 18:22.18 | tarzeau | thomas22: got a new kernel? ide-scsi? |
| 18:22.26 | abrotman | fericitu_: need more info! |
| 18:22.30 | tarzeau | bbrazil: i expect mine to do graphics |
| 18:22.32 | asg | fericitu_: are you going to make other partitions or just one '/' one? |
| 18:22.37 | tarzeau | fericitu_: big enough |
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| 18:22.46 | lekvar | ssl is enough anyway i'm just trying to get into gmail |
| 18:23.23 | fericitu_ | i have /var, /home, /usr, /tmp, and swap partitions |
| 18:23.29 | nix | fericitu_: if you make separate partitions for /tmp /var /home /usr, the / partition will be fine with 1 or 2 GB |
| 18:23.43 | asg | fericitu_: then root will be fine with 1G or less |
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| 18:23.58 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 18:24.08 | Lady_Cuddles | can someone please help - I got my KMenu hosed, and most of my menu entries have gone away -=- whats the command to rebuild the menu? kappfinder didnt find squat |
| 18:24.08 | fericitu_ | thx |
| 18:24.12 | thomas22 | tarzeau: I dunno about kernels - Im using sarge - Im not sure if the device is ide-scsi ... |
| 18:24.33 | asg | Lady_Cuddles: try #debian-kde |
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| 18:24.41 | tarzeau | thomas22: /exec -o uname -a |
| 18:24.48 | tarzeau | thomas22: check lsmod |grep ide-scsi |
| 18:25.00 | Lady_Cuddles | thanks Asg :-) |
| 18:25.00 | tarzeau | lekvar: tried dillo? |
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| 18:25.13 | thomas22 | tarzeau: ok just a minute |
| 18:25.13 | tarzeau | lekvar: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/dillo/ now with https support! |
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| 18:25.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: dillo sucks |
| 18:26.00 | bwlang | ouch! nscd caches dns info too! anybody know how to disable that? |
| 18:26.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried it? |
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| 18:26.14 | tarzeau | bwlang: remove nscd |
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| 18:26.32 | bwlang | tarzeau: i need it for the username cacheing ... (ldap userdb) |
| 18:26.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean with this patch? http://teki.jpn.ph/pc/software/index-e.shtml |
| 18:26.46 | tarzeau | bwlang: you want nis |
| 18:26.49 | lekvar | my real motivation in using links2 is as a substitute for firefox on a somewhat feeble laptop i'm going to be using in the near future. can't argue too much with "free!" |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: remember .. i'm an opera guy |
| 18:27.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: ick! i'm a omniweb guy |
| 18:27.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: hotjava! |
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| 18:27.18 | jarango | It there a debian repository for mplayer packages ? |
| 18:27.18 | tarzeau | lekvar: you can always build it yourself, not that hard |
| 18:27.21 | bwlang | tarzeau: no i don't want a byzantine, insecure, 1980s shared auth system... |
| 18:27.25 | azeem | !marillat |
| 18:27.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 18:27.29 | azeem | jarango: ^^ |
| 18:27.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: yuck, hotjava is by far the worst piece of crap i've ever seen and felt |
| 18:27.33 | MrBallZ | bwlang: the thing is im going out of the country 2nite ... = ( |
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| 18:27.42 | tarzeau | bwlang: NetInfo then? |
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| 18:28.02 | thomas22 | tarzeau: "/exec -o uname -a" doesnt mean anything to me. I tried "lsmod |grep ide-scsi" but it didnt respond to the command. |
| 18:28.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: you wear hotjava ? |
| 18:28.08 | tarzeau | bwlang: how many users do you have? it's just ldap is too slow you use it only for auth or more? |
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| 18:28.16 | tarzeau | thomas22: run uname -a |
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| 18:28.22 | abrotman | thomas22: you type "/exec -o uname -a" in your irc client |
| 18:28.24 | jarango | azeem: thanks |
| 18:28.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't heve wear pyjama |
| 18:28.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: he don't know what an irc client is |
| 18:28.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop ? |
| 18:28.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, man. i got no time |
| 18:29.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: DO IT! |
| 18:29.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: you answer my dd questions? |
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| 18:29.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: you could be destroying a very valuable instrument |
| 18:29.13 | vosti | if I do an apt-cache show enlightenment, it tell me that the current version is 0.16.99999..... but when i apt-get install, it download and install an oldest version (i addedd others mirror in sources.list).is it possibile to force apt to install last version? |
| 18:29.16 | FarrisG | are there any non-shitty alternatives to awstats? |
| 18:29.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i'll right go to the guitar shop :) |
| 18:29.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. i connected the dots |
| 18:29.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: NOT that one |
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| 18:29.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: show me? save it as png with the connected dots |
| 18:29.41 | bbrazil | FarrisG: analog? |
| 18:29.42 | quest_ | tarzeau, remember? i updated to sid. everything is working fine, including the nice transparencies of xorg. but i still see squares in the some windows |
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| 18:29.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: what is your opinion on gnu free documentation license? |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | FarrisG: webalyzer ? |
| 18:29.55 | thomas22 | I did uname -a, its responded with linux 2.6.8.2-386 #1 etc.. i686 gnu linux... |
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| 18:29.58 | abrotman | FarrisG: or whatever it's called |
| 18:30.04 | tarzeau | quest_: can you make the screenshot finally? |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: what questions ? |
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| 18:30.08 | lekvar | tarzeau: how hard is it to make it into a deb? |
| 18:30.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just asked one ;) |
| 18:30.14 | thomas22 | tarzeau: did uname -a, its responded with linux 2.6.8.2-386 #1 etc.. i686 gnu linux... |
| 18:30.19 | bwlang | tarzeau: i have 100s of users , but worse 10s of servers using the ldap for auth - works great- totally reliable and syncronized across sites - i don't mind caching to improve performance - but i didn't know i was caching dns too... |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: i haven't read it enough to commend |
| 18:30.24 | abrotman | comment |
| 18:30.28 | MrPeter | hi everyone... i have a server in debian sarge... when i try to send mail with PHP... it don't send.... how i can fix this? thanx :D |
| 18:30.35 | thomas22 | Linux eyeinthesky 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:30.39 | tarzeau | lekvar: very easy: apt-get install libssl-dev, apt-get source links2, edti debian/rules (see configure part), debuild. that's it |
| 18:30.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: go read it then ;) |
| 18:30.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you in it ? |
| 18:31.10 | thomas22 | tarzeau: I typed exec -o uname -a into the irc client it didnt seem to respond. |
| 18:31.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah that's not much :) |
| 18:31.21 | lekvar | tarzeau: Thanks! |
| 18:31.30 | tarzeau | s,abrotman,bwlang, |
| 18:31.35 | valdyn_ | MrPeter: i cant help you with php, still however you should tell us what reading your log files yielded about you issue |
| 18:31.42 | idefix | is there a soaring/gliding chatgroup? |
| 18:31.44 | bwlang | tarzeau: doh! nevermind... i just have to comment enable-cache hosts in /etc/nscd.conf - was looking for dns |
| 18:31.52 | abrotman | MrPeter: any errors anywhere ? |
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| 18:31.58 | thomas22 | tarzeau: wait mabye it did I see this at the top of the screeen : hdc :command error: error=0x54 |
| 18:32.03 | asg | idefix: probably not on freenode. |
| 18:32.05 | MrPeter | abrotman no |
| 18:32.12 | MrPeter | in the logs, nothing |
| 18:32.14 | MrPeter | all ok |
| 18:32.14 | abrotman | MrPeter: not even in the mail log ? |
| 18:32.15 | asg | idefix: /msg chanserv help (if you want to search though) |
| 18:32.36 | tarzeau | bwlang: i'm curious when you will have problems with it ;) |
| 18:32.39 | abrotman | MrPeter: get into the machine ... `echo "blah" | mail someoone@domain.com` |
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| 18:32.52 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.53 | MrPeter | ok |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | MrPeter: see if that goes anywhere |
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| 18:33.24 | bwlang | tarzeau: well - it's been running like this for about 2 years... i didn't even realize that it was caching dns until just added another site and it was still resolving to the old info... |
| 18:33.46 | dusk | is there a way in gnome to get my right click button to be the menu like fluxbox? or the menus/windows in flux to look like metacity/gnome? |
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| 18:34.22 | jarango | azeem: I'm having trouble in getting marillat correctly on sources.list. Can you help me ? |
| 18:34.26 | asg | dusk: you can use fluxbox instead of metacity for gnome you know |
| 18:34.29 | drac | dusk: Sounds like you should look into XFCE4. :P |
| 18:34.29 | thomas22 | tarzeau: I see that It printed the name of my system and version # into irc... never mind... Still I dunno if that is an old kernel or what... |
| 18:34.40 | quest__ | tarzeau, i could make a screeshot but since i have a firewall i can't have a web server in my computer |
| 18:34.42 | tarzeau | thomas22: yes it's dated |
| 18:34.46 | quest__ | tarzeau, but it is easy to know how they are done, like sometimes in the webpages. suqres with exadecimal number inside... this squares have nothing in it |
| 18:34.51 | dusk | drac: i just want something lean and nice lookin |
| 18:35.01 | tarzeau | quest__: can you not configure your firewall? what is it called? |
| 18:35.04 | abrotman | dusk: swithc your window manager to fluxbox |
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| 18:35.17 | cleatonn | how to install programs on debian? |
| 18:35.21 | dusk | abrot: i did.. but things like firefox look like crap |
| 18:35.24 | abrotman | cleatonn: apt-get install ... |
| 18:35.34 | abrotman | dusk: define .. look like crap |
| 18:35.38 | beardy | !tell cleatonn -about grounding |
| 18:35.54 | valdyn_ | dusk: look like crap when / where ? |
| 18:35.58 | lekvar | What ever became of the $BROWSER-nognome packages. (I haven't really built a Debian system in a while!) |
| 18:35.59 | jarango | dpkg <marillat-key> |
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| 18:36.07 | dusk | wait, how can I just switch my window manager to that and STILL use gnome? |
| 18:36.07 | thomas22 | tarzeau: That could be it, It must have broken when debian made a new release, it was several months ago if I recall... I dunno how to upgrade or what that might do to my hard drive... If I dont have to wipe the drive I'm willing to do it... |
| 18:36.09 | abrotman | jarango: /msg dpkg blah |
| 18:36.09 | Lanix | hola ! / hello ppl ! |
| 18:36.17 | jarango | abrotman:thanks |
| 18:36.31 | blondie | Lanix: hello (English please :p) |
| 18:36.44 | dusk | like.. i want all my windows to look like my gnome theme, but my integration (menus, right click, panel) to be fluxbox |
| 18:36.47 | Lanix | sorry is that am in other chan |
| 18:37.02 | Zwei | good evening everyone |
| 18:37.11 | asg | dusk: oh, then maybe ask #gnome on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | or irc.gnome.org ? |
| 18:37.34 | dusk | asg: cool ill check it out |
| 18:37.39 | Zwei | anyone has experience with HP ML150G2 servers and sarge? |
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| 18:38.04 | abrotman | Zwei: what's the real problem ? |
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| 18:38.16 | Zwei | no real problem... yet |
| 18:38.16 | valdyn_ | dusk: run gconf-edit, set default in desktop-gnome-applications-window_manager |
| 18:38.22 | abrotman | Zwei: then why ask? |
| 18:38.28 | Zwei | I'm about to buy this kind of server |
| 18:38.29 | drac | dusk: xfce4 uses same themes as gnome. like both uses gtk2. and it has right click menu. |
| 18:38.45 | Zwei | and I'm not sure whether there are sata drivers or not |
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| 18:38.51 | cleatonn | how to get a apt pack list? |
| 18:39.03 | azeem | cleatonn: dpkg -l |
| 18:39.07 | abrotman | Zwei: perhaps you should look at the specs .. see what kind of hardware and ask something like "Does <blah SATA controller> work in sarge?" |
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| 18:39.30 | asg | cleatonn: you really need to read some of the base debian documentation at www.debian.org/doc |
| 18:39.42 | Zwei | abrotman: I've been googling for some time on this |
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| 18:39.55 | Zwei | abrotman: the last entries I saw were in july |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | Zwei: have a URL to the product?(tinyurl if needed) |
| 18:40.15 | Zwei | a sec pse |
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| 18:41.15 | bwlang | ls |
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| 18:41.21 | dusk | valdyn_: im here, but its all hex stuff.. gotta put numbers in? |
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| 18:42.05 | valdyn_ | dusk: umm, what 'hex stuff' ? |
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| 18:42.11 | dusk | heh |
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| 18:42.26 | abrotman | god damn bots |
| 18:42.28 | dusk | they are all set to <no value> and I can only replace that with a number "value" |
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| 18:42.35 | Zwei | abrotman: http://tinyurl.com/9d6lk |
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| 18:42.42 | valdyn_ | dusk: my 'current' is /usr/bin/metacity ( no hex ), my default is <no value> ( no hex either ) |
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| 18:42.55 | Zwei | abrotman: the specs say nothing about the controller |
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| 18:42.59 | abrotman | Zwei: uhm .. which submodel ? :) |
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| 18:43.10 | Zwei | abrotman: the SATA |
| 18:43.11 | abrotman | ignore .. i see |
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| 18:43.39 | dusk | valdyn_: its all grayed out for me when I edit, and <no value> is in the main window |
| 18:43.40 | Zwei | it should be a marvell semiconductor sata interface |
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| 18:44.03 | dusk | valdyn_: i assume you're using gnome |
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| 18:44.27 | Fox_1_ | i have a problem. when i want to login like root it write no shell. in /etc/passwd root haven't shell. how can i correct that? |
| 18:44.29 | valdyn_ | dusk: yea |
| 18:44.40 | Fox_1_ | su didn't work too |
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| 18:44.52 | valdyn_ | dusk: you bet i dont know this just by remembering..im actually looking at gconf-editor |
| 18:44.53 | MrPeter2 | abrotman, the machine says: |
| 18:44.54 | MrPeter2 | darkvds:/# echo lol | mail 'darkzero@tie.cl' |
| 18:44.54 | MrPeter2 | send-mail: error while loading shared libraries: libpostfix-global.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:44.54 | MrPeter2 | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 127 |
| 18:44.54 | MrPeter2 | darkvds:/# |
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| 18:45.08 | abrotman | Zwei: i'd like to nominate HP for the Worthless Specs Page of the Month award |
| 18:45.13 | Zwei | abrotman: yep |
| 18:45.17 | dusk | valdyn_: naw, im just an idiot and ran that program as root |
| 18:45.17 | Zwei | exactly |
| 18:45.22 | abrotman | MrPeter2: that might be a problem |
| 18:45.29 | valdyn_ | dusk: alright. |
| 18:45.30 | Zwei | that's why I am here, and not on HP's support pages |
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| 18:45.34 | MrPeter2 | abrotman. how i can fix it? |
| 18:45.42 | dusk | valdyn_: i actually dig metacity.. but i dont think there is a way to get it to work with fluxbox |
| 18:45.56 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | Zwei: http://ukai.org/b/log/hp/proliant |
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| 18:46.28 | abrotman | Zwei: that's a few months old .. but might point in the right direction |
| 18:46.42 | Zwei | abrotman: it is old indeed |
| 18:46.50 | valdyn_ | dusk: nope, and metacity leaves control over whats done with whatever click on your desktop to nautilus |
| 18:46.50 | Zwei | it's from june |
| 18:46.51 | Fox_1_ | i have a problem. when i want to login like root it write no shell. in /etc/passwd root haven't shell. how can i correct that? |
| 18:47.06 | Zwei | fox_1_: pse don't flood |
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| 18:47.11 | Fox_1_ | bjkkbbjklbjkl' |
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| 18:47.55 | asg | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password ; then edit /etc/password and give root a shell |
| 18:48.02 | abrotman | !find libpostfix-global.so.1 sarge |
| 18:48.16 | Zwei | abrotman: that's why I'm asking: on a production server I'm not willing to do much driver compiling. I wondered if there is anyone who has installed debian on this server without pain |
| 18:48.24 | FabParma | how to start debian w/o xdm? |
| 18:48.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libpostfix-global.so.1' (1): (/usr/lib/libpostfix-global.so.1) in mail/postfix. |
| 18:48.31 | asg | FabParma: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:48.34 | abrotman | MrPeter2: ^^ |
| 18:48.48 | zaikxtox | hello. i have replaced xserver86 with xorg, and now i can't do ctrl+alt+Fx to switch terminals. also cant use the "Alt-gr" key to insert special characters (much needed on a spanish keyboard) |
| 18:48.51 | zaikxtox | some ideas? |
| 18:49.09 | valdyn_ | Zwei: marvell sata support was only just added recently to linux, so sarge doesnt support it. |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | Zwei: google a bit more .. |
| 18:49.17 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 18:49.17 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 |
| 18:49.19 | tarzeau | zaikxtox: chvt x |
| 18:49.26 | MrPeter2 | abrotman, man and... what i do? |
| 18:49.36 | valdyn_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 18:49.39 | mentor | zaikxtox: setxkbmap -option +compose(ralt)? |
| 18:49.39 | valdyn_ | oo |
| 18:49.40 | Zwei | abrotman: that's what I did for the last 4 hours... :) |
| 18:49.42 | Fox_1_ | asg how can i edit /etc/passwd if i haven't permission? |
| 18:49.45 | abrotman | MrPeter2: install postfix package ? |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | Zwei: had you foind that link i posted to you ? |
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| 18:50.07 | MrPeter2 | abrotman... sorry :P thanx! |
| 18:50.09 | Zwei | abrotman: yes |
| 18:50.12 | abrotman | Zwei: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=ML150+G2+SATA+debian+driver&btnG=Search |
| 18:50.21 | sylvain | anyone knows about paragui ? |
| 18:50.38 | quest__ | tarzeau, i had to build a free website just for 1 pict :) |
| 18:50.43 | quest__ | tarzeau, http://questx1.freewebspace.com/snapshot2.png |
| 18:50.43 | honschu | sylvain: the sdlone? |
| 18:50.45 | sylvain | can't find the -dev tool for that. there has to be one! |
| 18:50.46 | zaikxtox | mentor, let mee see |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | Zwei: or ask valdyn_ which kernel that driver got added in |
| 18:51.00 | sylvain | honschu: no the dev kit |
| 18:51.01 | abrotman | valdyn_: one of the DDs made a sarge installer with a 2.6.12 |
| 18:51.19 | tarzeau | quest__: great homepage! |
| 18:51.35 | quest__ | tarzeau, thank you, my future job will be webmaster... |
| 18:51.36 | honschu | Sylvain: Would you really use this software for your project? |
| 18:51.37 | Zwei | actually I can install sarge with 2.6 kernel, but I'm curious if that would work |
| 18:51.48 | quest__ | tarzeau, can you the square i was referring to? |
| 18:51.51 | Zwei | if it isn't, I'm not buying that server |
| 18:51.55 | honschu | sylvain: sarge: libparagui1.0-dev - Development files for the widget set library |
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| 18:52.08 | tarzeau | quest__: yes i can see clearly the square, it's not perfect though |
| 18:52.12 | idefix | will linux ever catch up with windows ? |
| 18:52.14 | tarzeau | quest__: it's more high than wide |
| 18:52.15 | abrotman | Zwei: there is a sarg einstaller with a 2.6.12 kernel .. if 2.6.12 has that marvell driver .. it shiould work just fine |
| 18:52.18 | abrotman | idefix: watch it |
| 18:52.23 | mike_sol | idefix, will windows ever catch up with linux? |
| 18:52.25 | tarzeau | idefix: troll in #redhat |
| 18:52.27 | valdyn_ | idefix: will windows ever catch up with linux? |
| 18:52.32 | mike_sol | mwhahaha beaten |
| 18:52.32 | valdyn_ | !win mike_sol |
| 18:52.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, mike_sol! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:52.33 | sylvain | thankx honschu. in fact i need it to compile another software |
| 18:52.35 | Tortel | !windows |
| 18:52.35 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 18:52.38 | abrotman | will windows ever catch up with OS/2 ? |
| 18:52.39 | tarzeau | idefix: nothing catches up with openstep |
| 18:52.40 | Zwei | abrotman: thanks, I'll check the 2.6 kernel on a non-prod server tomorrow |
| 18:52.46 | honschu | sylvain: ;-) what? |
| 18:52.48 | mike_sol | abrotman, WinOS/2 ftw |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | Zwei: did you see the url i posted about the 2.6.12 sarge intaller ? |
| 18:52.57 | FabParma | does exist a way to to start Debian with or without xdm. I mean buring the boot, mybe typing some parameter |
| 18:53.05 | quest__ | tarzeau, aaaa.. any idea on how to solve that? that square is supposed to be the name of a wireless network |
| 18:53.07 | gravity | Will DOS ever catch up to Carrots? |
| 18:53.13 | idefix | what is openstep? |
| 18:53.14 | FabParma | does exist a way to to start Debian with or without xdm. I mean during the boot, mybe typing some parameter |
| 18:53.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: tell idefix |
| 18:53.21 | honschu | sylvain: I used the paragui for some examples and tests but I didn't liked it mutch. |
| 18:53.22 | Zwei | just a sec |
| 18:53.23 | gravity | FabParma: Not on boot, no |
| 18:53.33 | Tortel | Will windows ever catch up to wine? |
| 18:53.33 | gravity | FabParma: You could feasibly script such a thing, but no one has bothered |
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| 18:53.43 | gravity | FabParma: You can also set it up to be one way or the other |
| 18:53.44 | tarzeau | quest__: no idea, #debian-kde |
| 18:53.49 | tarzeau | quest__: checked bts yet? |
| 18:53.58 | tarzeau | quest__: maybe fix it yourself, you have the source? |
| 18:54.04 | tarzeau | idefix: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 18:54.06 | asg | FabParma: why not configure it to auto-start without xdm and then /etc/init.d/xdm when you need it? |
| 18:54.20 | tarzeau | idefix: it's what windows copied badly |
| 18:54.28 | quest__ | tarzeau, do you think that if i was able to modify the source i would have been here to ask you? |
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| 18:54.40 | Zwei | abrotman: which link was that? |
| 18:54.41 | dusk | heh, okay, how can I remove all my icons from the gnome desktop? |
| 18:54.42 | tarzeau | quest__: you can't start an editor? |
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| 18:54.46 | Zwei | i can't find it |
| 18:54.48 | sylvain | honschu: i'm not a developper :P i'm experimenting my very first time getting along with source code. paragui-config is required by the configure script |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | !tell Zwei about sarge 2.6.12 |
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| 18:55.11 | quest__ | tarzeau, yes, but i think it is just a matter of fonts |
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| 18:55.16 | abrotman | Zwei: ask valdyn_ which kernel has the marvell driver .. i don't personally know |
| 18:55.17 | honschu | sylvain: Which program do you like to compile? |
| 18:55.19 | hebfftijd | how can i untar a tarfile |
| 18:55.22 | FabParma | gravity: what you mean? ---->gravityFabParma: You can also set it up to be one way or the other |
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| 18:55.29 | abrotman | hebfftijd: man tar |
| 18:55.37 | gravity | FabParma: You can set it up to boot with xdm (or any other dm) or not |
| 18:55.41 | gravity | FabParma: But you can't choose at boot |
| 18:56.03 | sylvain | some drum machine called "fultron". but it could be pretty much anything; i do it to learn how to "make" things |
| 18:56.08 | honschu | Is it possible to set a process with nice to a lower priority? |
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| 18:56.24 | beardy | honschu: renice |
| 18:56.29 | asg | honschu: renice |
| 18:56.32 | honschu | thx |
| 18:56.46 | hebfftijd | abrotman: sorry to extract a rar file |
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| 18:56.54 | Ronin | hebfftijd: with unrar |
| 18:57.00 | abrotman | !tell hebfftijd about unrar |
| 18:57.05 | Ronin | which as i recall is in non-free |
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| 18:57.19 | hawking | hebfftijd or do "rar e name.rar" |
| 18:57.21 | blondie | good luck with that |
| 18:57.24 | asg | gravity: I guess he could write an init.d script that prompts for which and times out to one alternative of the other if non is chosen. |
| 18:57.27 | abrotman | bah .. work .. end .. stop .. wannagohomenow |
| 18:57.30 | gravity | asg: Right |
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| 18:57.36 | blondie | LART the person who created the rar |
| 18:57.38 | gravity | asg: But that's probably a bit much for him right now... |
| 18:57.43 | hebfftijd | mayby better to unrar it on my winbox |
| 18:57.49 | asg | gravity: true |
| 18:57.54 | gravity | asg: If he knew how to script things, he'd know to do that anyway :-) |
| 18:58.25 | asg | gravity: yeah :) |
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| 18:59.18 | tuxito | hola |
| 18:59.23 | tuxito | alguien latino? |
| 18:59.23 | Fox_1_ | people please help. i couldn't login as root. how add shell for root? |
| 18:59.32 | gravity | !es |
| 18:59.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:59.34 | idefix | so this site is totally filled with screenshots? |
| 18:59.37 | blondie | Fox_1_: login how? |
| 18:59.57 | Fox_1_ | blondie login as root (superuser) |
| 19:00.07 | blondie | yes, but how |
| 19:00.11 | asg | Fox_1_: after following the instructions for '/msg dpkg i forgot root's password', use vipw to edit /etc/passwd |
| 19:00.11 | blondie | using ssh, telnet, X, what |
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| 19:00.27 | douglas | where's the hosts accept/deny or conf file for webmin? |
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| 19:00.29 | gravity | Fox_1_: What did you do to kill the root shell? |
| 19:00.33 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 19:00.33 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 19:00.47 | Fox_1_ | gravity i don't remember:) |
| 19:01.02 | gravity | Fox_1_: wtf |
| 19:01.17 | Fox_1_ | asg i haven't vipw |
| 19:01.18 | gravity | Fox_1_: Go get your cracking instructions elsewhere |
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| 19:01.38 | abrotman | oh come on .. like we all haven't done a `s/bash/false/g` to our /etc/passwd once or twice |
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| 19:01.43 | asg | Fox_1_: then use any editor |
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| 19:01.57 | asg | Fox_1_: and you do have it, you just have to be root to use it |
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| 19:02.05 | Fox_1_ | asg i haven't permission how can i edit it? |
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| 19:02.18 | asg | !tell Fox_1_ about i forgot root's password |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | oh ... that was just me ? |
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| 19:02.35 | Fox_1_ | asg i do point 6 |
| 19:02.42 | idefix | why doesn't userconf work on my machine? |
| 19:02.43 | asg | Fox_1_: in step 4, use vipw to edit /etc/password and fix it |
| 19:02.48 | Fox_1_ | but it didn't say anythink |
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| 19:02.56 | sylvain | honschu: i've downloaded the .deb file for libparagui1.0-dev ... how can i install that? |
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| 19:03.09 | Fox_1_ | ok wait |
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| 19:03.12 | abrotman | gravity: kill! |
| 19:03.13 | idefix | is there an alternative to userconf? |
| 19:03.15 | gravity | ... |
| 19:03.20 | sylvain | normally I do it through aptitude, not a direct download |
| 19:03.24 | abrotman | idefix: wtf is userconf ? |
| 19:03.27 | Fox_1_ | asg in step 4? |
| 19:03.29 | asg | idefix: adduser |
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| 19:03.35 | Fox_1_ | what's that? |
| 19:03.36 | idefix | it's supposed to be something for multiple users |
| 19:03.45 | abrotman | fine .. be vague |
| 19:03.48 | Zwei | bye everyone |
| 19:03.54 | Zwei | abrotman: and thanks |
| 19:03.55 | asg | Fox_1_: did you read the factoid that I've pointed you to twice and explicitly had the bot tell you about once? |
| 19:04.24 | Fox_1_ | asg yes |
| 19:05.07 | asg | Fox_1_: then follow steps 1-3. When you get your shell, you edit /etc/passwd and give root a shell. |
| 19:05.19 | Fox_1_ | asg you mean: step1: root (hd0,0), step2: kernel ..., step3: initrd ..., step4: savedefault ? |
| 19:05.34 | asg | Fox_1_: no, you didn't read the factoid |
| 19:05.46 | Xenguy | GNOME question: is there a way to see *all* the apps that are spread across different workspaces? |
| 19:05.49 | Fox_1_ | asg what's that? (factoid) |
| 19:05.58 | asg | !i forgot root's password |
| 19:05.59 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 19:06.00 | asg | Fox_1_: ^^^ |
| 19:06.07 | Fox_1_ | asg in grub menu.lst timeout is 1; |
| 19:06.07 | gravity | He didn't fucking forget anything |
| 19:06.11 | gravity | He's fucking cracking a box |
| 19:06.17 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 19:06.18 | asg | Fox_1_: this has dict to do with grub menu.lst |
| 19:06.22 | valdyn_ | Xenguy: the window chooser applet |
| 19:06.41 | blondie | gravity: if you have physical access, it's d00med anyway |
| 19:06.46 | asg | Fox_1_: if you aren't physically with the box, you are SOL. |
| 19:06.51 | gravity | blondie: Not if he's an idiot |
| 19:06.55 | gravity | Which he is |
| 19:06.55 | Xenguy | valdyn_: OK, let me see |
| 19:07.06 | blondie | I guess |
| 19:07.32 | Fox_1_ | asg the computer which i want to login my. and now it near me. |
| 19:07.46 | Xenguy | valdyn_: I'm not sure if I'm looking at the correct thing... |
| 19:07.59 | asg | Fox_1_: then read the instructions. Don't edit anything, just follow the instructions. That's all you have to do. |
| 19:08.08 | Xenguy | valdyn_: It shows the different windows in miniature? |
| 19:08.11 | valdyn_ | Xenguy: its in the top panel by default in gnome, top right |
| 19:08.13 | Fox_1_ | asg i don't understand the grub steps |
| 19:08.20 | valdyn_ | Xenguy: no, just a list |
| 19:08.39 | asg | Fox_1_: when you get to the grub screen on boot, press 'e' |
| 19:08.43 | Fox_1_ | asg listen when i login with an other user and open /etc/passwd i see that root haven't shell |
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| 19:08.55 | abrotman | Fox_1_: cat /etc/passwd | grep root ... show us what it says |
| 19:09.01 | asg | Fox_1_: then you have another problem entirely but you didn't tell us that. |
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| 19:09.16 | abrotman | asg: he did tell us that |
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| 19:09.20 | blondie | asg: actually he did to start with |
| 19:09.20 | asg | abrotman: oh? |
| 19:09.25 | asg | then I apologize |
| 19:09.28 | blondie | he never said he forgot the password :) |
| 19:09.35 | FlimFlamMan | is udev an alternative to /dev/ ? |
| 19:09.36 | abrotman | karsten: drunk again ? |
| 19:09.38 | karsten | asg: Stop that at once! |
| 19:09.39 | dusk | fox_1_da_r33t_haxx0r___ |
| 19:09.41 | dsads | stupid alme question - what is a command to add links to autostart updaterc.d or soemthing ?????? |
| 19:09.44 | Fox_1_ | asg i press it open blue screen and show root (hd0,0) ... |
| 19:09.46 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: udev populates /dev/ |
| 19:09.51 | asg | blondie: thought he said that when he logged in as root, it said 'No Shell'? |
| 19:09.52 | karsten | abrotman: No! <hic> |
| 19:09.52 | Fox_1_ | dusk what? |
| 19:09.55 | abrotman | dsads: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:09.55 | loxley_ | dsads: update-rc.d |
| 19:09.59 | bbrazil | dsads: update-rc.d |
| 19:10.00 | dusk | fox_1_ what? |
| 19:10.02 | dsads | thanks |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | karsten: did your boobs make you fall over? |
| 19:10.13 | asg | karsten: :) |
| 19:10.26 | karsten | abrotman: No comment. |
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| 19:10.40 | ptlis | Hi, i'm trying to set up a debian machine here and i'm having problems getting dpkg to download the packages it needs - DHCP is running on my router and has assigned the machine an IP address etc, but for some reason all domain names resolve to 1.0.0.0 - i'm guessing that the DNS IPs are not being recieved but this does not seem to be a problem with the other (Windows) clients on the network. |
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| 19:10.49 | ptlis | Any ideas what I can do to fix this? |
| 19:10.56 | karsten | abrotman: It's valid for Americans to question my actions, but do do so in this time and this place is historical revisionism! |
| 19:10.57 | abrotman | ptlis: what is in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 19:11.08 | abrotman | karsten: Zinn? |
| 19:11.08 | asg | karsten: hah |
| 19:11.28 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: why does your root not have a shell? |
| 19:11.28 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: you're on ubuntu? |
| 19:11.40 | karsten | abrotman: Rule #1: Never drink white Zinfendel. Rule #2: never admit to violating Rule #1 in public. |
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| 19:11.53 | ptlis | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:11.53 | karsten | valdyn_: touche! |
| 19:11.56 | elparticle | sup folks |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | karsten: shouldn't you spell it correctly ? |
| 19:12.01 | ptlis | (TYhe IP address of the router). |
| 19:12.12 | karsten | abrotman: Yes! <hic> |
| 19:12.14 | abrotman | ptlis: and other machines work ? |
| 19:12.16 | ptlis | I presume I can manually add the DNS servers in here then? |
| 19:12.20 | bbrazil | ptlis: dig @192.168.1.1 www.debian.org |
| 19:12.20 | abrotman | ptlis: nslookup www.debian.org ? |
| 19:12.22 | ptlis | They do. |
| 19:12.37 | gravity | Fox_1_: Non-Debian questions belong in the appropriate channel for your distro |
| 19:12.38 | Fox_1_ | valdyn_ i want to change shell for other user |
| 19:12.42 | ptlis | Command not found. |
| 19:12.51 | Fox_1_ | gravity i use debian |
| 19:12.53 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: and why is that hard to do? |
| 19:12.53 | abrotman | Fox_1_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. What does it say ? |
| 19:12.56 | bizkit | jelly: i'm back again, you? |
| 19:12.56 | gravity | Fox_1_: What kind of Debian? |
| 19:12.59 | ptlis | I suspect that's one of the base packages not on the netinst CD. |
| 19:13.02 | elparticle | anybody know how to get software mixing w/ alsa setup on 3.1? guides I've found on google are worthless |
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| 19:13.06 | Fox_1_ | gravity 3.1 |
| 19:13.07 | blondie | Fox_1_: then why doesn't root have a shell? |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | Fox_1_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. What does it say ? |
| 19:13.10 | gravity | Fox_1_: And if so, why don't you have a shell to log in to like normal Debian users? |
| 19:13.13 | bbrazil | ptlis: can you ping the router? |
| 19:13.21 | Fox_1_ | because i have delete it |
| 19:13.24 | abrotman | Fox_1_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. What does it say ? |
| 19:13.24 | ptlis | ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:13.24 | bibe | hi all. A 'ps faxu' on one of my servers showed a 'sh -i' process run by www-data. I killed the process and downloaded all apache2 logs. I will check apache2 logs (I've already found some sort of script run against the xmlrpc php vulnerability, these scripts all got a 404 error). What else can I do to go on using the same machine? |
| 19:13.32 | asg | Fox_1_: you deleted /bin/bash? |
| 19:13.32 | Fox_1_ | abrotman wait |
| 19:13.36 | ptlis | Yeah |
| 19:13.37 | Fox_1_ | asg no |
| 19:13.42 | ptlis | Stupid kvm :/ |
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| 19:13.44 | blondie | Fox_1_: why did you do that? |
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| 19:13.47 | asg | Fox_1_: then what did you delete |
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| 19:13.50 | abrotman | ptlis: pebcak :) |
| 19:13.58 | dusk | fox_1_ better reformat! |
| 19:14.10 | dusk | fox_1_ that fixes everything |
| 19:14.10 | bbrazil | ptlis: hmm, any olther unix boxes behind that router? |
| 19:14.12 | Fox_1_ | asg i delete root's shell from /etc/passwd |
| 19:14.13 | ptlis | abrotman: Yeah :( |
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| 19:14.16 | abrotman | Fox_1_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. What does it say ? |
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| 19:14.21 | Fox_1_ | dusk thanks:) |
| 19:14.22 | blondie | Fox_1_: why? |
| 19:14.42 | bizkit | are there known problems when connection an openssh server using publickey auth method with putty as the client (on windows)? i can't get it running, using openssh as client under linux it works like a charme |
| 19:14.50 | abrotman | bizkit: i've done it |
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| 19:15.00 | Fox_1_ | blondie mistake:) |
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| 19:15.05 | abrotman | bizkit: thoguh .. i think i used puttygen .. not shs-gen |
| 19:15.16 | abrotman | Fox_1_: are oyu going to show me ? |
| 19:15.20 | sylvain__ | how can I get a .deb downloaded package up and working? my imagination is running low, after trying "dpkg my.deb", apt-get build my.deb, and even config/make on it |
| 19:15.26 | gravity | Fox_1_: What's the output of what abrotman asked you? |
| 19:15.27 | elparticle | I need help getting ALSA setup w/ software mixing (multiple sources playing simultaneously ala Win's sound system) |
| 19:15.30 | bbrazil | sylvain__: -i |
| 19:15.32 | asg | sylvain__: dpkg -i <foo> |
| 19:15.40 | Eno_ | i'm running sarge and am wondering if there are newer kernels available in sarge than the one i am currently running... does debian compile newer kernels for sarge? |
| 19:15.47 | Eno_ | i don't really want to compile my own |
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| 19:15.51 | abrotman | Eno_: what are you currently running? |
| 19:15.53 | asg | Eno_: no, it backports security fixes |
| 19:15.54 | slibs | where comes word foo? |
| 19:15.54 | sylvain__ | :-) |
| 19:15.58 | Fox_1_ | abrotman gravity wait a second it's bootting |
| 19:16.00 | valdyn_ | Eno_: why would you want a newer kernel? |
| 19:16.01 | asg | slibs: read the jargon file |
| 19:16.04 | Eno_ | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 19:16.11 | abrotman | Eno_: nope .. that's it for sarge .. |
| 19:16.11 | Eno_ | i'm concerned about security |
| 19:16.14 | slibs | asg: man jargon? |
| 19:16.17 | abrotman | Eno_: they backport fixes |
| 19:16.20 | asg | slibs: there are several good entries on meta-syntactic variables |
| 19:16.20 | bbrazil | slibs: there's also an RFC on the matter |
| 19:16.31 | asg | slibs: apt-get install dict ; dict foo |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | Eno_: if something affects it .. you should get a DSA (you're subscribed to that mailing list .. right?) |
| 19:16.41 | slibs | mkay |
| 19:16.44 | Eno_ | abrotman: what about the fixes since after sarge was released? i've never seen a new kernel availale with apt-get |
| 19:16.50 | Eno_ | how do i get new kernels? |
| 19:16.57 | Eno_ | abrotman: nope |
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| 19:17.00 | asg | slibs: /msg dpkg foo (also) |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | Eno_: you should be |
| 19:17.17 | bizkit | abrotman: can you give me some hints? i have to use puttygen in windows (!) (my users are mainly windows clients). well, i created an ssh2-dsa key with puttygen (windows). i set the public key (openssh-compatible!) into my authorized_keys file and use the private (putty compatible!) key to auth, but i'm unable to login even opensshd in debug mode gives no errors |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | bizkit: it's been a very long time |
| 19:17.59 | asg | abrotman: you actually trust windows not to have some spyware on it that sends your passphrase to bolivia? |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | Eno_: are you aware of any issues affecting 2.6.8 since July 2005 ? |
| 19:18.06 | Eno_ | abrotman: i normally just update apt-get and install the new packages. but have never seen a new kernel-image that way. does it ever get updated? |
| 19:18.07 | bizkit | btw. what should i use for ssh2? dsa or rsa? |
| 19:18.13 | abrotman | asg: like i said .. been a long time |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | Eno_: it does .. but i'm not aware of any issues affecting the kernel |
| 19:18.34 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 19:18.35 | dpkg | i heard stable security issues is at http://spohr.debian.org/~joeyh/stable-security.html |
| 19:18.36 | Eno_ | abrotman: someone told me that i should upgrade my kernel because of secruity :) |
| 19:18.55 | abrotman | Eno_: to what .. 2.6.14rc-3-beta34-alpha425324 ? |
| 19:18.57 | bizkit | putty developers say you should use rsa, but i've read the difficulty to break rsa or dsa is the same if key-lenght is the same. what do you say? |
| 19:19.01 | asg | Eno_: someone is not running Debian and probably has to on their Distro |
| 19:19.25 | Eno_ | ah |
| 19:20.07 | asg | Eno_: No new packages go into stable, only fixes backported to existing package versions. |
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| 19:20.21 | Fox_1_ | abrotman and gravity i'm logged in as user and type dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 and it answer "ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone" |
| 19:20.24 | abrotman | admittedly .. that's a lot of security issues on joey's page |
| 19:20.25 | Eno_ | asg: yeah.. i'm aware of that |
| 19:20.27 | douglas | what i gotta do to get my console terminals to get colorful when listing files and such, as i see with other term progs? |
| 19:20.37 | loxley_ | bizkit: debug gives you nothing? |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | Fox_1_: and now `cat /etc/passwd | head -1` .. show us that also |
| 19:20.46 | ChrisBradley | I will ask again - is anyone interested in an Kernel for Debian Etch Testing Experimental that includes AES encryption? |
| 19:20.56 | dondelelcaro | douglas: alias ls to ls --color=auto or similar. |
| 19:20.58 | bizkit | loxley_: may i paste the 10 lines into your query? |
| 19:21.08 | gravity | Fox_1_: Ok... hrm... |
| 19:21.11 | loxley_ | bizkit: use #flood |
| 19:21.12 | douglas | ok thank you |
| 19:21.13 | Fox_1_ | abrotman root:x:0:0:root:/root: |
| 19:21.23 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: what you're saying doesn't make sense... but if someone was interested in such a thing, they would have responded. |
| 19:21.23 | abrotman | !rootsmite Fox_1_ |
| 19:21.27 | asg | ChrisBradley: we already have loop-aes-sources |
| 19:21.38 | thingfish | douglas: add the line alias ls='ls --color=auto' to your .bashrc. |
| 19:21.40 | Fox_1_ | abrotman but must be root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash:) |
| 19:21.42 | bizkit | loxley_: wait a moment please |
| 19:21.48 | ChrisBradley | asg - source isn't a compiled working kernel on an AMD Duron 386 |
| 19:21.52 | abrotman | Fox_1_: so fix it... you've been told more than one way |
| 19:21.59 | asg | ChrisBradley: that's why we have 'module-assistant' |
| 19:22.06 | Fox_1_ | abrotman how? |
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| 19:22.11 | gravity | Fox_1_: Try chsh root |
| 19:22.12 | Fox_1_ | abrotman how to fix? |
| 19:22.23 | ChrisBradley | asg - I've backed up /boot to a CD |
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| 19:22.35 | ChrisBradley | anyone who wants to see this can request it in writing |
| 19:22.41 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: that's also why loop-aes-2.6-k7 exists... |
| 19:22.47 | Fox_1_ | gravity it write "You may not change the shell for root" |
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| 19:23.14 | ChrisBradley | dondelelcaro I'm sure its experimental too |
| 19:23.19 | gravity | heh |
| 19:23.24 | gravity | Ok, then use a text editor |
| 19:23.24 | douglas | thingfish: thanks |
| 19:23.28 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: testing is not experimental. They are totally separate distributions. |
| 19:23.35 | thingfish | douglas: you're welcome. |
| 19:23.54 | ChrisBradley | I have the experimental compiled and operating |
| 19:24.05 | ChrisBradley | PS - I am aware of the distinction |
| 19:24.36 | dondelelcaro | perhaps you are, but your description of what you're trying to do doesn't convey that. |
| 19:24.41 | bizkit | loxley_: see #flood |
| 19:24.46 | zimnyx | Most fonts in my gnome terminal look horrible. Letters has wrong spacing, they are not antialiased or blured too much.. can i fix it some how? (my favurite is monospace14 but i need something smaller, smaller monospace screws up).. |
| 19:24.50 | Fox_1_ | gravity it didn't save /etc/passwd |
| 19:25.01 | gravity | ugh |
| 19:25.12 | gravity | Fox_1_: Can you su to root? |
| 19:25.19 | abrotman | and NOT su - |
| 19:25.22 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: in any case, if you think it would be useful, or if the binary packages we already have don't work, file a bug against the appropriate package and/or coordinate with the maintainer. |
| 19:25.23 | Fox_1_ | gravity no it write No shell |
| 19:25.29 | misleb | su requires a shell eithr way |
| 19:25.32 | dondelelcaro | !maint loop-aes-source |
| 19:25.37 | dpkg | loop-aes-source: Max Vozeler <xam@debian.org> |
| 19:26.06 | Fox_1_ | i have root password but couldn't login as root:)))))))))))))))) |
| 19:26.07 | ChrisBradley | Thank you dondelelcaro |
| 19:26.15 | abrotman | i thought regular su just took your shell and changed your uid |
| 19:26.17 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 19:26.21 | misleb | Fox_1_: only choice is to boot with init=/bin/sh, remount / rw and edit passwd |
| 19:26.34 | loxley_ | bizkit: yeah i am |
| 19:26.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it execs a shell... the missing - just makes it a non-login shell. |
| 19:26.50 | Fox_1_ | misleb how to boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 19:26.51 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 19:26.53 | dondelelcaro | you can always su /some/other/shell; though. |
| 19:26.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 19:26.59 | misleb | Fox_1 do you have sudo setup? |
| 19:27.03 | abrotman | see .. there you go .. don knows the answer |
| 19:27.06 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 19:27.17 | gravity | Fox_1_: You can use a livecd like knoppix too |
| 19:27.35 | Fox_1_ | misleb no |
| 19:27.51 | misleb | Fox_1_: Do you have GRuB or LILO installed? |
| 19:27.54 | misleb | for boot? |
| 19:27.55 | Fox_1_ | dondelelcaro no it's didn't work |
| 19:28.04 | Fox_1_ | misleb grub |
| 19:28.05 | dondelelcaro | Fox_1_: what error did it return? |
| 19:28.27 | Fox_1_ | dondelelcaro Unknown id: /bin/sh |
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| 19:28.41 | dondelelcaro | wait... what? |
| 19:28.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:28.55 | Fox_1_ | dondelelcaro i write su /bin/sh |
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| 19:29.02 | Eno_ | asg: i looked at the security adviserys for like the past 4 years on debian.org, and i only saw a single one which was kernel-image.. it was for sparc |
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| 19:29.07 | Eno_ | asg: why would this be? |
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| 19:29.19 | dondelelcaro | Fox_1_: oh; su root /bin/sh; then |
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| 19:29.29 | asg | Eno_: http://spohr.debian.org/~joeyh/stable-security.html (there's a few issued there) |
| 19:29.29 | gravity | The kernels are a problem for the security team right now |
| 19:29.29 | misleb | Fox_1_: Unforunately I can't remember the exact procedure fo rpassing custom params to GRUB. I think thre is an option to add options to the boot item manually. You just have to add init=/bin/sh somehow. |
| 19:29.37 | bizkit | loxley_: any ideas? |
| 19:29.47 | dondelelcaro | (-s may be needed as well) |
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| 19:30.28 | loxley_ | bizkit: have you tried making rsa keys? |
| 19:30.34 | Fox_1_ | misleb after what? after savedefault? |
| 19:30.39 | bizkit | how can i find out the real error when trying to connect to an openssh server using pubkey as auth method? i ran sshd via sshd -vvvv but there is not enough information |
| 19:30.41 | asg | dondelelcaro: i.e. not at all? |
| 19:30.52 | bizkit | loxley_: yes, tried every combination |
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| 19:31.05 | dondelelcaro | asg: precisely |
| 19:31.05 | abrotman | Fox_1_: su root -s /bin/sh |
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| 19:31.16 | loxley_ | bizkit: and you have verified that the settings in sshd_config are correct? |
| 19:31.26 | warreng | what's a recommended dns server to run? good old bind? or are there better alternatives? |
| 19:31.36 | Fox_1_ | abrotman it write No shell |
| 19:31.46 | abrotman | Fox_1_: ok .. have fun |
| 19:31.49 | bizkit | loxley_: i have read the sshd_config manpage several times and did my best.. really can't figure out the problem |
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| 19:32.14 | loxley_ | warreng: dnsmasq for small networks works fine |
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| 19:32.33 | misleb | Fox_1_: I really can't remember how to do it. GRUB does have some online help. You should be able to figure it out. |
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| 19:32.47 | abrotman | misleb: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 19:33.29 | misleb | abrotman: that only works for LILO, no? |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | misleb: see the part about grub ? |
| 19:34.06 | misleb | abrotman: Oh, i should actually READ it.. i get it. :) |
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| 19:37.04 | misleb | Fox_1_ so what abrotman told me: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | he's been told |
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| 19:37.25 | misleb | Damn, I am slow |
| 19:37.26 | vmukha | hi |
| 19:37.40 | Fox_1_ | misleb i read that but i don't understand the step. what steps? |
| 19:38.02 | vmukha | could you please say how join to debian russian? |
| 19:38.13 | blondie | what? |
| 19:38.15 | misleb | All of it except install of running passwd, run vi /etc/passwd |
| 19:38.17 | Phated | !ru |
| 19:38.17 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 19:38.19 | blondie | !ru |
| 19:38.21 | blondie | oh |
| 19:38.21 | misleb | or chsh |
| 19:38.43 | vmukha | thx all |
| 19:38.51 | Fox_1_ | misleb where? |
| 19:38.53 | asg | dobre dien |
| 19:39.05 | blondie | je ne comprends pas |
| 19:39.18 | redloff | how can I dock an application which has no apicon and that can not be minimized to miniwindow? an application like xkill or q3demo ? |
| 19:39.43 | redloff | it's windowmaker I'm talking about of course |
| 19:39.50 | misleb | At the boot menu, hit e to edit the default boot item... |
| 19:40.19 | redloff | where's boot menu in windowmaker :| ? |
| 19:40.25 | blondie | lol |
| 19:40.31 | blondie | sorry. |
| 19:40.37 | mike_sol | redloff, boot menu?? |
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| 19:40.48 | Fox_1_ | misleb it open the blue screen and show steps: root (hd0,0) ... kernel ... that? |
| 19:40.51 | blondie | redloff: I think you have crossed wires :) |
| 19:40.58 | redloff | ;] |
| 19:41.06 | blondie | Fox_1_: use a sodding knoppix CD and edit /etc/passwd |
| 19:41.07 | redloff | ok then |
| 19:41.13 | misleb | Fox_1_ yeah |
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| 19:41.20 | Fox_1_ | blondie i haven't that cd |
| 19:41.27 | mike_sol | redloff what i've always done is just open a new instance of some program i never use and dock it, then change it so it runs the program of my choosing |
| 19:41.28 | vmukha | /еолХ |
| 19:41.31 | blondie | download one then |
| 19:41.34 | mike_sol | but that can't possibly be the real solution |
| 19:41.39 | Fox_1_ | misleb so that to do? |
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| 19:41.51 | redloff | mike_sol, but in windowmaker.org they say you must not do that! ;] |
| 19:42.04 | mike_sol | redloff, please find out how it's done and save me from myself |
| 19:42.34 | redloff | but they do not say what you must do, though |
| 19:42.45 | lekvar | tarzeau: Thanks for you help. I have it working the way I wanted now. |
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| 19:42.56 | misleb | Fox_1_: what? |
| 19:43.02 | tuxito | hola |
| 19:43.05 | lekvar | tarzeau: and I learned how to compile my own debs if I need it |
| 19:43.05 | Fox_1_ | misleb i open that |
| 19:43.05 | tarzeau | lekvar: great |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:43.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:43.09 | Fox_1_ | misleb then? |
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| 19:43.29 | lekvar | tarzeau: now all I need to do is figure out how to get elinks' tabs into it HA |
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| 19:43.40 | tarzeau | lekvar: heh :) |
| 19:43.41 | misleb | Fox_1_: is there a line to add boot options? |
| 19:43.50 | Fanfoua | hi |
| 19:44.01 | Fox_1_ | misleb i can open a new line |
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| 19:44.09 | Fanfoua | is there a channel for blender somewhere on the irc ? |
| 19:44.21 | tarzeau | Fanfoua: yep |
| 19:44.22 | tarzeau | !blender |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | i heard blender is a free GNU GPL cross plaform 3D creation suite, allowing fully integrated modeling, animation, rendering, post production and interactive 3D creation and playback. http://www.blender3d.com, or #blenderchat, or a scanline renderer with nearly ray-traced quality |
| 19:44.26 | asg | Fanfoua: #blender oddly enough |
| 19:44.32 | tarzeau | asg: no it's not #blender imho |
| 19:44.39 | martin__ | hey guys where can i find a cool soundtool for listening to a webradio audiostream? |
| 19:44.55 | Fox_1_ | misleb after with line and what to add? |
| 19:45.01 | abrotman | xmms ? |
| 19:45.02 | Fox_1_ | with=wich |
| 19:45.03 | asg | tarzeau: there was something about 3D in the topic; some other 3D then I guess. |
| 19:45.17 | tarzeau | martin__: mplayer? |
| 19:45.18 | ChrisBradley | Dondelelcaro - Notes sent to Xam |
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| 19:46.06 | misleb | Fox_1_ it is explained by dpkg. I can't help you beyond that because I don't have GRUB available to me. I don't remember what the screens look like. |
| 19:46.15 | redloff | mike_sol, xkill wouldn't work with your method |
| 19:46.20 | redloff | dunno why |
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| 19:46.35 | blondie | Fox_1_: which |
| 19:46.43 | asg | misleb: after 'e', he would use the arrow keys to navigate to the kernel line. Then, hit 'e' again, then add init=/bin/bash to the end. then type 'b' |
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| 19:47.14 | Fox_1_ | asg the same you can say me:) |
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| 19:47.27 | mike_sol | redloff: are you sure? just change it so it executes xkill instead of 'bitmap' or whatever other wonky program you ran to get a docked icon |
| 19:47.29 | Fox_1_ | asg :) |
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| 19:48.02 | MoLoot | So, my machine rebooted, now does not recognise usb mouse/keyboard. What do I do? |
| 19:48.14 | MoLoot | I can ssh into the box, luckily |
| 19:48.15 | Orgazmo|grant | somebody can help me to install lcd-linux ??? |
| 19:48.22 | abrotman | !d-i Orgazmo|grant |
| 19:48.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.24 | dpkg | Orgazmo|grant, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:48.49 | idefix | if linux is so supergood, how come the chat on the site www.lexa.nl doesn't work? |
| 19:49.09 | misleb | idefix: gnomes. Blame it on gnomes |
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| 19:49.20 | Fox_1_ | how can i exit from cat? |
| 19:49.22 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 19:49.24 | idefix | what is gnome? |
| 19:49.25 | misleb | q |
| 19:49.45 | Fox_1_ | misleb no:) i write just cat |
| 19:49.46 | asg | Fox_1_: Ctrl+c |
| 19:49.52 | blondie | what is GNOME, or what is a gnome? |
| 19:49.57 | misleb | A gnome is a fictional character often found in fantasy and particular good at magic. |
| 19:49.59 | abrotman | !gnome |
| 19:50.00 | dpkg | well, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 19:50.06 | asg | idefix: perhaps singles in the Netherlands only are allowed to use Windows |
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| 19:50.15 | Fox_1_ | misleb and now it type all what i type:) |
| 19:50.42 | BatUz | someone knows if i can add my packages to an apt-move repository? |
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| 19:51.02 | misleb | Fox_1_: Sorry, I was thinking of 'less'. CTRL-C |
| 19:51.05 | idefix | ok, so the brain is a lot like a computer, that doens't mean we should act as computers! we should be human beings! |
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| 19:51.22 | misleb | Fox_1_ so you are new to linux, yes? |
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| 19:51.34 | Fox_1_ | misleb no |
| 19:51.39 | Fox_1_ | misleb i think:))) |
| 19:51.39 | MoLoot | I'm puzzled, becuase when I remove the mouse/keyboard it displays a message, but I don't know how to correct this... |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | misleb: maybe? :) |
| 19:51.43 | blondie | idefix: what are you talking about? |
| 19:51.47 | asg | idefix: try #luddites |
| 19:51.51 | blondie | lol |
| 19:51.55 | blondie | :| |
| 19:51.56 | redloff | mike_sol, well it works when I do RMB -> launch on it, but there's no reaction on doubleclick |
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| 19:52.45 | Fox_1_ | any standart editor |
| 19:52.47 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 19:53.20 | pureone | Fox_1 vim? |
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| 19:53.21 | misleb | Fox_1_: vi is the standard, but you may want to start with joe or pico... not installed by default |
| 19:53.24 | asg | Fox_1_: nano |
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| 19:53.29 | ma3x | how do i remove a directory in ftp? |
| 19:53.34 | abrotman | rmdir |
| 19:53.53 | idefix | do you have a big homepage, ma3x? |
| 19:54.08 | misleb | idefix: pervert |
| 19:54.46 | zimnyx | i'm trying to configure fonts on my box (Etch). http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt says that i sshould add some FontPath to XF86Config, but i got no such file because i use Xorg. should i put it in xorg.conf ? |
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| 19:54.58 | asg | zimnyx: yes |
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| 19:56.00 | ma3x | idefix, I have a main folder with 250 other subdiretories in it |
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| 19:56.00 | bibe | I've found a /tmp/cback executable file (ELF 32-bit LSB executable) owned by www-data (the user running apache2 on my web server). The file was downloaded using a php vulnerability (in Joomla) and was executed using an IP address as a parameter. What do you suggest me to do? Reinstall the whole machine (using an up-to-date version of all Joomla sites)? Or simply upgrade the machine, run a rootkit checker and monitor the logs very strictly for some days? |
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| 19:56.01 | zimnyx | asg: thnaks |
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| 19:56.08 | Fox_1_ | misleb listen in grub step2 (kernel ...) i add init=/bin/bash, then press b. after that it open bash. now i open /etc/passwd with nano and add shell in root line, but when i want to save /etc/passwd it write that i can't save because file is read-only. |
| 19:56.09 | Ronin | arrgh crap, too stupid today to get freenx to work and thats really stupid :) |
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| 19:56.36 | asg | Fox_1_: then use vi to edit the file, save it with ':w!' |
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| 19:56.51 | misleb | Fox_1_ well, you are close, you need to follow the instruction about remounting the root filesystem read/write |
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| 19:56.52 | Fox_1_ | asg i haven't vi |
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| 19:57.15 | asg | Fox_1_: then save it to passwd.foo and use mv passwd.foo passwd |
| 19:57.29 | ma3x | how do i rm -rf a directory in ftp? |
| 19:58.04 | abrotman | ma3x: you can't |
| 19:58.17 | pureone | ma3x by using ssh ;) |
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| 19:58.31 | Fox_1_ | asg it didn't save file |
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| 19:59.42 | ma3x | abrotman, if I can't then ftp is stupid! |
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| 19:59.49 | abrotman | duh |
| 19:59.53 | valdyn_ | !ftp |
| 19:59.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 20:00.25 | Fox_1_ | asg i couldn't save that file in an other place. |
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| 20:00.40 | Fox_1_ | asg i couldn't save it anywhere |
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| 20:01.40 | Fox_1_ | asg when i want to create file it write Read-only file system |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | blondie: and that's why i ignored him ... quite some time ago :) |
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| 20:02.05 | MoLoot | Anyone have any thoughts were to begin looking to correct a problem with the usb mouse/keyboard? |
| 20:02.30 | blondie | Fox_1_: give up |
| 20:02.37 | Fox_1_ | blondie what? |
| 20:02.37 | yang | Which software can be used for streaming shoutcast ... like on shoutcast.com |
| 20:02.52 | blondie | shoutcast is the program :p |
| 20:02.55 | jsn | yang, I use xmms for shoutcast. |
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| 20:03.02 | blondie | Fox_1_: you'll never fix it |
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| 20:03.16 | Fox_1_ | blondie you think? |
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| 20:03.30 | yang | W: Unable to locate package shoutcast |
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| 20:03.57 | yang | jsn: for streaming on server |
| 20:04.05 | jsn | oh |
| 20:04.08 | jsn | icecast? |
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| 20:04.12 | blondie | Fox_1_: yes |
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| 20:05.15 | camper8472 | After removing some packages with gtkorphan, xscreensaver-gl (and other gl application like quake3) are no longer working. Some "orphaned" package is obviously needed, but it seems that the dependencies for (at least) xscreensaver-gl (or some sub-package) are not set correctly. Any idea which package might need to be reinstalled? (And then filed as a bug report to be added to the dependencies somewhere) Any chance an strace or something |
| 20:05.47 | jsn | Is there a "mostly" official source to look for unofficial sources? I am looking for the newest XML::GDOME or Gimp::Fu. They are broken when working together. Not sure exactly why, but it looks to be thread related. |
| 20:05.51 | mike_sol | camper8472, some kind of GLUT or mesa thing? |
| 20:05.54 | mike_sol | jsn, apt-get.org |
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| 20:07.02 | Fox_1_ | blondie, abrotman, mislab, asg !!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE FIXED IT !!!!!!!!!! thank you for help |
| 20:07.17 | blondie | OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111one |
| 20:07.22 | pisi | hello! now who could tell me from where i could get k3b that would install on top of unstable+experimental mix ? |
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| 20:07.52 | valdyn_ | camper8472: that isnt necessarily a bug if those programs just dont work in your particular setup |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | pisi: #debian-kde |
| 20:08.04 | camper8472 | mike_sol: Well, that's what I'd like to find out :) Any idea how? |
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| 20:08.13 | Fox_1_ | in kernel step it have option ro which mean read-only i change it into rw(read-write), then edit /etc/passwd and now it's work:) |
| 20:08.21 | camper8472 | valdyn_: I don't understand that. Why? |
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| 20:08.29 | davFr | hi! |
| 20:08.34 | Fox_1_ | !am |
| 20:08.35 | dpkg | it has been said that am is an abbreviation for Armenia, or Application Manager, or http://wiki.debian.net/?BecomingAM |
| 20:08.50 | valdyn_ | camper8472: any X program works without an X - Server ( but only via remote display ) |
| 20:09.07 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ( that's just an example, i dont know your particular issue ) |
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| 20:10.03 | quest_ | hi. how can i make a shortcut of a file on the desktop in kde? |
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| 20:11.00 | wolverine667 | can anyone help me with an issue with bootsplash? |
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| 20:11.41 | camper8472 | valdyn_: Other screensavers (non-gl) work, as well as the rest of my system. How can I find out what's missing when the screensaver (e.g. flurry) starts? |
| 20:11.45 | xam | ChrisBradley: btw, what is/was that about: "Dondelelcaro - Notes sent to Xam" ? |
| 20:11.53 | mike_sol | camper8472, run it from a console |
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| 20:11.59 | valdyn_ | camper8472: start any of these things in a terminal |
| 20:12.20 | mike_sol | they're in... /usr/lib/xscreensaver |
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| 20:12.52 | zimnyx | asg: editing Fontpath in xorg haven;t helped. This is how Bitstream Vera Sans 12 look in my gnome-terminal http://zimnyx.mine.nu/zrzutekranu-1.png |
| 20:12.53 | ChrisBradley | Hello Xam |
| 20:12.59 | zimnyx | it's unreadable. |
| 20:13.01 | dondelelcaro | xam: he's talking about sending a note to Max Vozeler (xam@d.o) |
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| 20:13.06 | ChrisBradley | You have e-mail |
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| 20:13.14 | mike_sol | !ops ban ChrisBradley as he has been spamming all day |
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| 20:13.17 | camper8472 | segfault. Would an "strace /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flurry" help? |
| 20:13.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban ChrisBradley as he has been spamming all day |
| 20:13.23 | valdyn_ | camper8472: are you using an nvidia or ati card by incident? |
| 20:13.24 | dondelelcaro | mike_sol: ? |
| 20:13.38 | mike_sol | i'm pretty sure he has, man. he was this morning |
| 20:13.41 | dondelelcaro | mike_sol: that's not spamming. |
| 20:13.41 | camper8472 | valdyn_: ati, yes. |
| 20:13.42 | xam | dondelelcaro: hehe, I just /joined and saw Chris' message ... was wondering ;) |
| 20:13.44 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ( with the proprietary driver i mean ) |
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| 20:13.50 | camper8472 | yes |
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| 20:13.58 | mike_sol | xam, do you legitimately have email |
| 20:14.03 | valdyn_ | camper8472: installed with debs or with their installer? |
| 20:14.05 | mike_sol | if so my bad, and i will shut up |
| 20:14.20 | camper8472 | with debs from flavio |
| 20:14.20 | dondelelcaro | mike_sol: he's talking about xam@debian.org, not xam in #debian. |
| 20:14.28 | dondelelcaro | they are two different people. |
| 20:14.33 | mike_sol | buh. i guess i better take a time out, huh |
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| 20:14.41 | mike_sol | seeya tomorrow |
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| 20:14.43 | ChrisBradley | Ooops... |
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| 20:15.05 | ChrisBradley | Xam - if you are interested I have a channel invite for you |
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| 20:15.25 | abrotman | does #debian/xam == xam@debian.org ? |
| 20:15.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: unless he's changed last names, no. |
| 20:15.41 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ok, try if glxgears works |
| 20:16.05 | camper8472 | glxgears: Error: Requested window size (300/300) larger than maximum supported by GL engine (0/0). |
| 20:16.22 | jsn | Ciao, and thanks. |
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| 20:16.37 | blaze | hey all |
| 20:16.37 | valdyn_ | camper8472: you removed atis GL library? |
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| 20:16.54 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ( whichever that package that might be with flavios debs, i dont use those.. ) |
| 20:16.55 | xam | abrotman: nope, I'm using linux and deban for a very long time now, and probably longer than the other guy, but we are different persons |
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| 20:17.32 | catlee | Good afternoon |
| 20:17.39 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ldd `which glxgears` | grep libGL.so |
| 20:17.45 | LabThug | Is the only way to make the mod_auth_ldap apache2 for sarge to work by using an experimental package |
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| 20:18.23 | camper8472 | libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 (0xb7e7e000) |
| 20:18.44 | valdyn_ | camper8472: dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 20:18.45 | catlee | I'm trying to package together a little python program I wrote, and I ran into a problem with make. Usually I have MAKEFLAGS=-j2 so I always compile in parallel, but when I tried to build my .deb package some of the files were ommitted. |
| 20:18.57 | catlee | Unsetting MAKEFLAGS fixed this problem |
| 20:19.03 | camper8472 | xlibmesa-gl |
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| 20:19.16 | catlee | I'm just wondering if this is a know issue with the package scripts, or if it's a bug |
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| 20:19.50 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ok, i believe this should be linking against a library from ATI, not from xlibmesa-gl, but someone else should confirm this. |
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| 20:20.04 | valdyn_ | camper8472: i'd check anyway if you miss some flavio package |
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| 20:20.35 | xam | ChrisBradley: no need for an invite, thanks though. I'm probably not the person you are looking for |
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| 20:20.39 | ChrisBradley | ok |
| 20:20.41 | aredhel | camper8472, if you are using an ati card, do you have the fglrx kernel mod loaded? |
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| 20:20.52 | xfan | is there a easy way to get off the windows of my primary partition ? |
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| 20:21.10 | misleb | xfan: move it? |
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| 20:21.14 | sfullenwider | wfce doesn't have submenu's on it's desktop menu? |
| 20:21.21 | xfan | remove |
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| 20:21.38 | valdyn_ | aredhel: sure he does |
| 20:21.44 | misleb | xfan: repartition and install over it |
| 20:21.45 | xfan | and use all the space |
| 20:21.47 | maxweber | xfan: man fdisk |
| 20:21.50 | blaze | ;x! |
| 20:21.58 | misleb | xfan: cfdisk |
| 20:22.06 | xfan | mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 20:22.14 | ChrisBradley | dondelelcaro would you like a copy of the e-mail to xam@debian.org ? |
| 20:22.22 | ChrisBradley | I will forward. |
| 20:22.23 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: no |
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| 20:22.36 | xfan | i have debian on another partition |
| 20:22.36 | ChrisBradley | ok |
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| 20:22.48 | ChrisBradley | Thank you for your time |
| 20:23.02 | camper8472 | valdyn_: I'm trying to reinstall the fglrx-packages, as it seems to me that you are right about libGL.so.* - I'll report back when done... |
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| 20:23.18 | misleb | xfan: diff partition, same drive? Just change the fstype of the windows partitoin and format it ext3 or whatever |
| 20:23.38 | valdyn_ | camper8472: its the same with nvidia drivers btw, i could remove nvidia-glx ( fucking up my GL apps ), without removing my nvidia driver or its remaining functionality |
| 20:24.35 | xfan | ok, thanks |
| 20:24.39 | valdyn_ | camper8472: so this technically isnt a bug ( the missing depends ) as the GL driver only extends features, but isnt required to use this driver |
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| 20:24.54 | valdyn_ | camper8472: so this technically isnt a bug ( the missing depends ) as the GL library only extends features, but isnt required to use this driver |
| 20:25.35 | camper8472 | valdyn_: Except that there is no separate package for glx for the ati-drivers... |
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| 20:25.45 | valdyn_ | camper8472: oh |
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| 20:25.56 | meriad | how do I clear all STALE semaphoers |
| 20:26.04 | meriad | i get semget() error no space left on device... |
| 20:26.11 | meriad | but i cant remember how to flush em |
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| 20:26.39 | aredhel | camper8472, valdyn_ the fglrc kernel mod is what does the glx stuff |
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| 20:27.10 | camper8472 | Also, how could the removal of non-ati-packages (I'm sure I haven't removed any) lead to this? |
| 20:27.19 | MoLoot | lsusb shows both my mouse and keyboard, but neither are working... what can I do to fix this problem. |
| 20:27.20 | valdyn_ | aredhel: apps link against GL libraries, which use the kernel, fglrx does nothing alone |
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| 20:28.06 | valdyn_ | camper8472: did you run deborphan in that mode that affects more than just libraries? |
| 20:28.08 | aredhel | valdyn_, right but the ati driver runs fine by it self for 2d work, for 3d it uses the kernel mod |
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| 20:28.55 | Andy837 | installed debian ages ago - had it running for about a month... no problem. i formatted and started again and now when in debian it keeps crashing (so i have to restart) between every 30 mins - 2 hours |
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| 20:29.02 | Andy837 | no hardware has changed! |
| 20:29.04 | camper8472 | valdyn_: yes, but not automatically |
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| 20:29.41 | camper8472 | aredhel: Any module I could check (lsmod | grep ???) |
| 20:29.55 | valdyn_ | camper8472: ??? = fglrx |
| 20:29.58 | aredhel | camper8472, fglrx |
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| 20:30.16 | camper8472 | fglrx 266656 7 |
| 20:30.16 | camper8472 | agpgart 36204 2 fglrx,intel_agp |
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| 20:31.21 | syberdave | Andy837: anything in the error logs? |
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| 20:32.11 | Andy837 | how do i check?? |
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| 20:32.47 | syberdave | Andy837: oh, what do you mean by crashing? freezing? |
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| 20:33.31 | Andy837 | i can't connect via SSH etc |
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| 20:33.38 | Andy837 | so i end up rebooting and all is fine |
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| 20:33.57 | Andy837 | where will i find error logs? |
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| 20:34.13 | syberdave | things in /var/log/... like /var/log/syslog |
| 20:34.26 | Fox_1_ | free phpMyAdmin like program??? |
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| 20:36.44 | Andy837 | how do i get to EOF quickly? lol |
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| 20:37.05 | liable | pgdn |
| 20:37.05 | LabThug | Andy837: in what? vim is 'G' |
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| 20:37.19 | Andy837 | nano |
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| 20:37.43 | syberdave | Andy837: ^W^V |
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| 20:38.11 | Fox_1_ | free phpMyAdmin like program??? |
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| 20:38.36 | Marticus | hrm |
| 20:38.50 | Andy837 | nothing odd in the logs |
| 20:39.05 | syberdave | Andy837: does it keep logging even when it appears frozen? |
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| 20:39.16 | Andy837 | dont know |
| 20:39.25 | jshoenberger | Is there a way, using Net-SNMP for me to test whether a given target and community string responds to SNMP requests? I'm hoping to do this in a script, so I can't just "look" and see if it responds |
| 20:39.26 | syberdave | it'd be helpful to know if the system really froze or it's just that sshd is acting up |
| 20:39.28 | Ungy | what is the command to find out what is listening on what port? |
| 20:39.35 | Marticus | wow |
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| 20:39.43 | Andy837 | even locally it is frozen |
| 20:39.45 | Marticus | my game server is hard down, gg valve |
| 20:39.48 | valdyn_ | Ungy: netstat -plunt |
| 20:40.12 | Marticus | I suppose I will upgrade to testing |
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| 20:40.23 | Marticus | any thoughts on going from sarge to testing? |
| 20:40.32 | camper8472 | valdyn_: It works! Reinstalling the fglrx-driver and restarting the X-server helped, everything's fine now! Thx!! |
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| 20:40.51 | Ungy | valdyn_, thanks damn I I can;t figure out why my apache2 server won't answer on 443 |
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| 20:41.31 | Marticus | will I end up breaking my box with this upgrade/ |
| 20:41.44 | liable | Marticus: posibly :) |
| 20:41.48 | abrotman | Marticus: you could .. depends on what's currently broken in etch |
| 20:41.49 | Marticus | le sigh |
| 20:41.58 | Marticus | I guess it's worth it since the game server is broken anyway |
| 20:42.16 | thingfish | Marticus: it's certainly possible. Someone just this morning was saying that etch (testing) is in a bad state right now. |
| 20:42.25 | camper8472 | marticus: It depends. If you have a backup, it won't break ;o) |
| 20:42.31 | Marticus | sigh |
| 20:42.49 | camper8472 | marticus: For backups, try mindi/mondo. Works well for me! |
| 20:42.53 | thc | how would having backups prevent broken packages in etch |
| 20:43.07 | Marticus | I just need libc 2.3.5 |
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| 20:43.11 | thc | backups have _nothing_ to do with package states |
| 20:43.43 | konfuzed | thc: when your packages get fucked you can easily restore them |
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| 20:43.53 | J_t_M | Hi all I'm trying to install linux-wlan-ng on my Debian system. I've done the m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng but it's throwing an error: WARNING: Loop detected: /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686-smp/linux-wlan-ng/p80211.ko which needs p80211.ko again! |
| 20:43.53 | konfuzed | isnt that reason enough |
| 20:44.25 | thc | not really, no. it's simple, don't run testing/unstable if you can't fix broken or missing packages. |
| 20:44.49 | phogg | Does a program exist tat will give a list of all processes sending/recieving packets on an interface and how many bytes/sec they're using? |
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| 20:45.05 | thingfish | maybe iftop |
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| 20:45.28 | camper8472 | thc: or let him try and restore the system if fixing broken packages is too hard. right? |
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| 20:45.45 | thc | phogg: iptraf will do that, but you won't see process names |
| 20:45.46 | liable | if iptraf |
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| 20:47.14 | colloron | ummm |
| 20:47.29 | phogg | thc: I'd alread seen iptraf. Its interface leaves something to be desired |
| 20:47.37 | colloron | mz recommended me to get xinerama but its not what i was looking for |
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| 20:47.56 | multidex | hello |
| 20:48.10 | colloron | i want to change xorg's configuration and make it support virtual desktops/screens |
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| 20:48.50 | jayjay734 | hello, I need a hand for installing sarge. I'd like to use the kernel 2.6 for installation, but this one hangs up. I tried all the option (mem=xx, no usb, no acpi, ...) and used the debug command too, nothing worked. initrd decrompresses the kernel, then "Ready." and that's all. What should I do? |
| 20:48.52 | colloron | what i mean is not that i will have the ability to switch between desktop 1,2,3,4 by clicking them, but by enlarging the actual desktop area to be 4 screens big and i can move through them with the mouse |
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| 20:49.16 | thc | phogg: ethereal maybe, but of course you'll need X |
| 20:50.05 | phogg | thc: ethereal is good at monitoring networks but not so good at monitoring local procs. |
| 20:50.12 | blaze | jayjay734 have you tried reburing? |
| 20:50.18 | blaze | It could be a bad installation media/ |
| 20:51.11 | jayjay734 | Maybe, I am using usb media and also netsinst, but I think I used the same initrd/linux for both...let me try |
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| 20:52.09 | Skullb0x | how do i setup a static ip for my LAN card in debian? Right now its using DHCp |
| 20:52.31 | thc | Skullb0x: man interfaces |
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| 20:53.12 | Weng | Having some issues with a preseed file. |
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| 20:53.56 | Weng | I'm doing the initial boot through PXE (netboot) so everything IN the preseed file pertaining to the network is ignored and needs to be passed via DHCP or a APPEND item in syslinux. |
| 20:54.01 | ehn | I am having trouble with debian 3.1 amd64 it can't see my 250g or 300g harddrive it reports it as a ez_drive what do I need to do to get it to see the full disks? |
| 20:54.08 | abrotman | jayjay734: have you tried a 2.4 ? |
| 20:54.14 | J_t_M | Anyone managed to get prism2_usb working using m-a a-i on a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 20:54.20 | colloron | Skullb0x, first you need to take it down using the ifconfig command. like ifconfig eth0 down assuming eth0 is your ethernet card |
| 20:54.31 | Weng | As it is now, I have everything working except that it asks me to enter the hostname, even though DHCP is providing a hostname (the default item it gives me is the DHCP provided hostname) |
| 20:54.32 | Ungy | ?join #apache |
| 20:54.37 | abrotman | Ungy: no! |
| 20:54.52 | Ungy | ;-P abrotman |
| 20:54.53 | colloron | Skullb0x, then you can take it up like this: ifconfig eth0 <IP> netmask <NETMASK> up |
| 20:54.54 | Weng | and it bitches about not having a default route, even though DHCP is providing a router IP (a false one, but still) |
| 20:54.54 | jayjay734 | abrotman : yes it works |
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| 20:55.09 | abrotman | jayjay734: so .. install it like that .. then try installing a 2.6 ? |
| 20:55.10 | thc | weird, why would the same irssi theme have different colors on a linux and a bsd box |
| 20:55.17 | Weng | So, how do I solve those issues? |
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| 20:56.04 | jayjay734 | abrotman : ok so you need to help me to mount a usb key during the installation, I am booting from a usb key, and can't mount it after |
| 20:56.13 | abrotman | say what? .. no CD ? |
| 20:56.32 | Weng | CD's are for girls :P |
| 20:56.37 | Ungy | abrotman, just like to say I think I am in love with my wife's new laptop |
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| 20:56.48 | abrotman | Ungy: how does your wife feel about that ? |
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| 20:57.07 | Ungy | abrotman, I think she is goign to take it from my site never to be seen again |
| 20:57.15 | abrotman | sight ? |
| 20:57.20 | Ungy | yeah you got it |
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| 20:58.16 | idefix | what topics are allowed over here? |
| 20:58.27 | abrotman | Debian ? |
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| 20:59.59 | J_t_M | Hi all, I'm trying to get prism2_usb device installed using module-assist |
| 21:00.05 | J_t_M | Can anyone assist? |
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| 21:00.53 | abrotman | do you have any errors ? |
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| 21:01.39 | oKrAm | my penis is stick on the door!!! can anybody help me??? |
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| 21:02.03 | abrotman | oKrAm: do the world a favor .. cut it off |
| 21:02.04 | thc | you have a stick for a penis? poor guy |
| 21:02.11 | rovragge | how do I enable rdesktop to my vmware machine (windows xp) from outside (using vmnet8 = nat) |
| 21:02.20 | oKrAm | thanks |
| 21:02.33 | Weng | Alright, lets try this from a different angle since nobody seems to know. I have a ramdisk image. I want to add a file to it. How? |
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| 21:04.06 | abrotman | mount it ..add the file |
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| 21:04.20 | ehn | I am trying to get my 250gb harddrive to show more than 1024 blocks do I need to do something to get it to show all parts. |
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| 21:05.00 | menick | apes find a way |
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| 21:05.14 | abrotman | !kline! |
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| 21:06.01 | menick | apes find a way - |
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| 21:06.57 | J_t_M | Hi, I'm looking at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/linux-wlan-ng-devel/2005-October/000086.html which states that a bug is fixed in 0.2.2+dfsg-4. This relates to using m-a linux-wlan-ng, but I don't know how to get hold of that version. |
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| 21:07.07 | thingfish | *plonk* |
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| 21:07.56 | menick | we study dolphins and mean we are great |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | !ops menick has issues |
| 21:08.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: menick has issues |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | J_t_M: what is the package ? |
| 21:08.30 | J_t_M | abrotman: linux-wlan-ng |
| 21:08.31 | cheal | J_t_M: which release do you run? |
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| 21:08.37 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 21:08.55 | abrotman | J_t_M: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=linux-wlan-ng .. use at your own risk |
| 21:09.06 | J_t_M | cheal: Knoppix knx2hd from version 4.0 |
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| 21:09.08 | abrotman | J_t_M: they may not work correctly on etch/sarge |
| 21:09.13 | J_t_M | Thanks abrotman! |
| 21:09.20 | abrotman | J_t_M: and from now on .. #knoppix |
| 21:09.28 | huhmz | Hi. btlaunchmany complains "Too many open files", i google it and it suggested one should increase the number in /proc/sys/fs/file-max. However, i have done this but it still complains. What can I do? |
| 21:09.29 | J_t_M | Oops! Thanks. |
| 21:09.33 | cheal | J_t_M: this is a Debian support channel. ask support to your distributor |
| 21:09.44 | jayjay734 | I am having troubles mounting usb drives during sarge install, usb-storage is loaded but I cant find any device to mount ( abrotman, that's why I wanted to try 2.6) |
| 21:09.50 | menick | oh shes asleep |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
| 21:10.01 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | jayjay734: sd_mod loaded too ? |
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| 21:11.28 | TwistedEmotions | What file is it where you assign aliases like xvnc = xvncview 192.168.1.2? |
| 21:11.35 | jayjay734 | abrotman : yes it is loaded |
| 21:11.53 | TwistedEmotions | for the prompt... so you just type xvnc and it runs xvncview 192.168.1.2? |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | .bash_profile .. or .bashrc .. depending how you login |
| 21:12.39 | TwistedEmotions | thank you |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: though .. you may not want to do it quite that way |
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| 21:13.56 | lekvar | Er... are the (dpkg's) instructions for installing mplayer no good for etch? |
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| 21:14.24 | PupenoL | Where do I configure a route to a network ? |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | lekvar: the packages for etch are kind of broken this week |
| 21:14.32 | abrotman | !tell PupenoL about interfaces |
| 21:14.35 | colloron | PupenoL, using the route command |
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| 21:15.04 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: why not? how should I do it? |
| 21:15.31 | colloron | so any ideas on how to expand the workspace of xorg? |
| 21:15.58 | jayjay734 | abrotman : I see in /proc/devices 3 block devices sd but no /dev/sdXX neither /dev/usb/XX neither /dev/scsi/ that is mountable |
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| 21:16.02 | menick | !seen lightvision |
| 21:16.03 | dpkg | lightvision <n=light@003.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 37d 19h 13m 31s ago, saying: 'bucky: great :)'. |
| 21:16.04 | lekvar | abrotman: I'm using the marillat apt source (deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main) and have added libjack libdirectfb and libbio2jack0 by hand... |
| 21:16.19 | PupenoL | colloron: that doesn't configure anything, it'll get erased upon reboot. |
| 21:16.32 | PupenoL | abrotman: I can't find where in interfaces to configure a route. |
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| 21:18.28 | ChrisBradley | Last chance - after this - all bets are off - Anyone interested in Encryption Modules compiled in Linux Kernel for Debian Etch? |
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| 21:19.28 | dpkg | candle <i=lisa@067.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 48d 19h 18m 56s ago, saying: 'stew: hello'. |
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| 21:20.26 | verden | i have 2 computers running sarge and i would like ot know how to mount these so i can file share? |
| 21:21.08 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: please stop announcing them. Anyone who is interested already knows about them. |
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| 21:21.59 | ChrisBradley | dondelelcaro - What I said was that that was literally the last message in this channel regarding the subject. |
| 21:22.17 | bucky | which Encryption Modules ? |
| 21:22.31 | ChrisBradley | AES - loop-aes-386 |
| 21:22.35 | PupenoL | isn't there a place to configure extra route rules (for a network) on the Debian configuration ? |
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| 21:22.59 | ChrisBradley | serpent.ko etc. |
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| 21:23.08 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: *shrug*. Consider it a warning. |
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| 21:23.47 | ChrisBradley | warning taken - |
| 21:24.17 | bucky | i've already got CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_586=m isn't that the same thing? |
| 21:24.26 | menick | !seen fbi |
| 21:24.27 | dpkg | fbi is currently on #debian (15h 1m 49s). Has said a total of 3394 messages. Is idling for 23h 27m 50s |
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| 21:25.56 | colloron | i cant find what i want about xorg/gnome |
| 21:26.01 | Lorvija | hey... when i use php script.php >> output.txt does that ">>" append or first delete/create the file and then insert the data? |
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| 21:27.20 | georges | hi, I run apache as apache2-mpm-worker so I expect it to make threads and few processes. but I see massive amount of processes |
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| 21:27.35 | TwistedEmotions | Is there a SSH Server out there for windows? |
| 21:27.45 | georges | LoRez: it appends |
| 21:27.56 | georges | Lorvija: it appends |
| 21:28.06 | Lorvija | georges thanks |
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| 21:28.16 | bucky | there's a client.. putty |
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| 21:28.33 | ziupiu | it appends if file exists, it creates and appends if file does not exist, man bash |
| 21:28.36 | Eclipser | TwistedEmotions, yes |
| 21:28.39 | Supaplex | does mpg123 work with alsa? if so, what's command line switch to use alsa? |
| 21:29.02 | Eclipser | TwistedEmotions, http://freesshd.com/ |
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| 21:29.30 | jayjay734 | I am having troubles mounting usb drives during sarge install, usb-storage and sd_mod are loaded but I cant find any device to mount |
| 21:29.32 | asuffield | mpg321 -o alsa (duh) |
| 21:29.56 | georges | anyone running apache as threded? why do I see so many processes? |
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| 21:30.42 | MacNamera | does anybody know if a virusscanner and firewall is running in the background if you are running Knoppix live cd? |
| 21:30.57 | abrotman | PupenoL: gateway ? |
| 21:31.15 | PupenoL | abrotman: what ? |
| 21:31.24 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: just seems fairly generic .. that's all |
| 21:31.30 | abrotman | PupenoL: in the interfaces file ? |
| 21:31.36 | dondelelcaro | MacNamera: #knoppix does |
| 21:31.54 | abrotman | jayjay734: so the 2.6 crashes .. and 2.4 can't find usb ? |
| 21:32.03 | PupenoL | abrotman: how do I configure that to reach 192.168.0.0, 192.168.1.101 should be used as gateway ? |
| 21:32.03 | abrotman | lekvar: and still doesn't work ? |
| 21:32.08 | PupenoL | abrotman: on interfaces. |
| 21:32.12 | douglas | when something asks for the apache server root directory, do they mean the document root or /etc/apache/? |
| 21:32.17 | MacNamera | dondelelcaro: k I will ask in that channel, thanks |
| 21:32.25 | jayjay734 | abrotman : yes you re right |
| 21:32.33 | abrotman | PupenoL: what is the normal network for that machine ? |
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| 21:32.34 | caphuso | yeah |
| 21:32.37 | Supaplex | asuffield: mpg123 != mpg321, but thanks. =) ... now to figure out if mpg321 plays http streams ... |
| 21:32.38 | caphuso | damn |
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| 21:32.48 | abrotman | jayjay734: how does 2.6 fail again ? |
| 21:32.50 | PupenoL | abrotman: what is the normal network of a machine ? |
| 21:32.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:33.01 | jayjay734 | abrotman : I need to feed the installer with ethernet driver, but i have no floppy no cdrom |
| 21:33.03 | abrotman | PupenoL: of that machine .. that you're futzing with |
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| 21:33.13 | PupenoL | abrotman: 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:33.15 | abrotman | jayjay734: oh jeez .. |
| 21:33.22 | abrotman | jayjay734: how about a custom netinst instead! |
| 21:33.32 | slipper1 | Hi people, how can I run a command from the command line that executes every minute as if it were in a cron job with out creating a cron job? For example this command to standard out: date +%F-%T |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | PupenoL: and the regular netmask ? |
| 21:33.49 | PupenoL | slipper1: watch. |
| 21:33.56 | PupenoL | abrotman: 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:33.57 | cobratbq | Could someone help me with a harddisk speed problem (I've searched a lot and did some benchmarking but I just can't find the problem)... |
| 21:34.06 | jayjay734 | abrotman : loading linux....loading initrd.gz , ready. and hangs, ok for the custom thing but how can I do this? |
| 21:34.06 | cobratbq | please :p |
| 21:34.18 | warreng | in a shell/perl script, how would i get the "default ip" for a server? like the one that's used for outgoing connections? |
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| 21:34.31 | abrotman | PupenoL: ok .. i'm confused then .. you've got all the machines on that work as 192.168.1.x .. and the gateway is .. what ? |
| 21:34.40 | abrotman | !tell jayjay734 about custom netinst |
| 21:34.48 | abrotman | jayjay734: what kind of machine is this ? |
| 21:34.54 | ziupiu | slipper1, put it in a infinite loop together with sleep |
| 21:35.12 | jayjay734 | abrotman: a amd sempron, with nforce4 chipset |
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| 21:35.28 | jayjay734 | abrotman: i just need to add the nforce driver |
| 21:35.38 | ziupiu | ok, watch is better ;) |
| 21:35.38 | PupenoL | abrotman: I never said I got all the machines on 192.168.1.x, I have two networks, 192.168.[01].0, and I want this computer to access 192.168.0.0 thru 192.168.1.101. |
| 21:35.44 | bizkit | still got the putty <-> openssh problem (keyformat: the converted putty public key -> open ssh pubkey -> authorized_keys) does not match the private putty keyfile, any ideas? |
| 21:35.58 | abrotman | PupenoL: and what is the IP for that "router" on the 0.x network ? |
| 21:36.15 | PupenoL | abrotman: it doesn't matter, does it ? |
| 21:36.19 | jayjay734 | abrotman : i am looking at the links you gave me, I let you know , thanks |
| 21:36.31 | abrotman | PupenoL: uhm .. |
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| 21:36.56 | abrotman | PupenoL: if you want to reach 192.168.1.x and you're on 192.168.0.x .. and your netmask is 255.255.255.0 .. yes |
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| 21:37.44 | PupenoL | abrotman: you got it wrong. I want computer 192.168.1.32 to reach network 192.168.0.0/24 by the router 192.168.1.101 |
| 21:37.44 | MacNamera | looks as if there is no one available in #knoppix to answer my question... :-( |
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| 21:37.59 | abrotman | PupenoL: ah .. much better :) |
| 21:38.09 | abrotman | PupenoL: your description above didn't matcht aht |
| 21:38.17 | PupenoL | ok. |
| 21:38.25 | slipper1 | PupenoL: watch is what I needed. Thanks! |
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| 21:38.48 | abrotman | PupenoL: you may need a little script .. i'm not sure interfaces can handle that |
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| 21:39.48 | PupenoL | abrotman: from the documentation, interfaces can't do it. I can't believe that Debian needs a script to set up a route, it was doable in RedHat 4.2 (yuck!) by configuration files. |
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| 21:40.05 | liable | isnt route info stored somewhere? i added a route for a local network and it was kept between boots. had to manually delete it.. |
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| 21:40.06 | abrotman | PupenoL: it may be .. i just don't know it ... let me poke for a few minutes |
| 21:40.11 | PupenoL | ok. |
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| 21:40.32 | caphuso | !static route |
| 21:40.33 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:40.45 | abrotman | see .. caphuso knows .. interfaces can do it |
| 21:41.23 | Lorvija | hey.. i got ~170 photos in password protected dir, is there anyway to leech them with wget or similar? |
| 21:41.23 | abrotman | PupenoL: see what dpkg said |
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| 21:42.07 | geemark | can anyone point me in the right direction in making the perl scripts in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ be executed under apache2? |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | PupenoL: so your next stop would be .. man route .. unless you know how to do it already |
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| 21:42.58 | nerdy2 | Lorvija, man wget |
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| 21:43.10 | Lorvija | nerdy2 i already checked it twice |
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| 21:43.27 | nerdy2 | Lorvija, the --user and --password options are relevant |
| 21:43.29 | floundering | My game (descent2) needs alt-f2 to save but this brings up a run command dialog box. I dont want to clobber this globally just when descent window is active. can this be done? |
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| 21:43.39 | Lorvija | nerdy2 hmm okay thanks (: |
| 21:43.39 | cesspit | hello! i have problem with pptp-connection, after a period i got a "IPCP TermReq" from vpn server after which /etc/ppp/ip-down started and after all connection terminates. How can i make connection alive all the time? |
| 21:43.40 | abrotman | nerdy2: i mean .. are you sure? |
| 21:43.40 | PupenoL | abrotman: thanks. |
| 21:43.42 | ziupiu | Lorvija, --http-user and --http-passwd |
| 21:43.47 | abrotman | PupenoL: thank caphuso too! |
| 21:43.52 | Lorvija | ziupiu okay thank you |
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| 21:44.14 | menick | !seen lightvision |
| 21:44.15 | dpkg | lightvision <n=light@003.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 37d 19h 41m 44s ago, saying: 'bucky: great :)'. |
| 21:44.17 | PupenoL | thanks caphuso. |
| 21:44.33 | floundering | I am using kde |
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| 21:45.54 | abrotman | floundering: ask #debian-kde |
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| 21:46.53 | warreng | if i use awk (awk '{print substr($2,6)}') it adds a \n to what it prints out... any way to get rid of that? |
| 21:47.16 | redguy | o, helpful folk of #debian |
| 21:47.31 | redguy | where one can read about how resolvconf works? |
| 21:47.43 | abrotman | warreng: is it possible $6 has a \n attached to it? |
| 21:47.54 | warreng | no |
| 21:48.07 | abrotman | warreng: pass it to sed and strip the \n ? |
| 21:48.15 | warreng | netstat -r | grep default | awk '{print $8}' | xargs ifconfig | grep 'inet addr' | awk '{print substr($2,6)}' |
| 21:48.25 | warreng | it's to get the primary IP of a machine |
| 21:48.39 | abrotman | warreng: ifconfig -a ? |
| 21:49.06 | warreng | abrotman: i need the primary ip in a script |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | warreng: ifconfig -a ? :) |
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| 21:49.26 | warreng | that returns everything |
| 21:49.39 | warreng | i have 6 different ip's on this machine |
| 21:49.40 | abrotman | warreng: how many does it have ? |
| 21:49.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:49.48 | huhmz | Hi. Anyone know which program/script parses /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
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| 21:51.13 | abrotman | warreng: nothing in /proc/ ? |
| 21:51.17 | menick | !seen candle |
| 21:51.20 | dpkg | candle <i=lisa@067.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 48d 19h 50m 45s ago, saying: 'stew: hello'. |
| 21:51.25 | abrotman | menick: /msg dpkg hi |
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| 21:51.35 | abrotman | warreng: cat /proc/net/arp ? |
| 21:51.43 | abrotman | oh wait .. ignore that |
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| 21:51.48 | abrotman | warreng: totally ignore that :) |
| 21:51.58 | warreng | my method works perfectly.... it's just there's a trailing \n on that string |
| 21:52.05 | warreng | if you type that, you'll end up on the next line |
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| 21:52.22 | warreng | where as if you write a shell script that does: "echo -n 'blah'" there's no trailing \n |
| 21:52.26 | warreng | sed does the same thing |
| 21:52.56 | Bogaurd | okay, my sarge box crashed on me last night, for an unknown reason. i checked the syslog, and the last entry is 'hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61' - after that its from when i rebooted it. does anyone know what this means? |
| 21:53.50 | abrotman | warreng: yeah .. i know that about echo .. |
| 21:53.54 | menick | I like her so I spread my wings |
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| 21:54.14 | abrotman | menick: go away |
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| 21:54.37 | SuN | Hm: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' -> am I missing a package perhaps? I just made that filesystem with mkfs.ext2. |
| 21:55.13 | abrotman | warreng: well .. i found a thing in awk .. but it doesn't look fun :) |
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| 21:55.27 | warreng | ? |
| 21:55.32 | colloron | abrotman, you know the virtual desktops on gnome? |
| 21:55.36 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe i misspoke |
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| 21:55.42 | abrotman | warreng: i thought RS would do it |
| 21:55.45 | abrotman | colloron: i suppose |
| 21:55.57 | abrotman | warreng: maybe RT is what you need |
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| 21:56.28 | colloron | abrotman, right. so i've seen at our office computers runing debian/gnome where the screen resolution is 1024x780 but its like the desktop is spread upon 4 screens |
| 21:56.34 | warreng | rs?rt? |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | warreng: man awk ... /RT |
| 21:56.47 | colloron | so when you move the mouse around you actually browse through the entire screen. do you know what im talking about? |
| 21:57.06 | abrotman | colloron: i have never ever seen that .. though it sounds like the old virtual desktop space |
| 21:57.21 | menick | I leave cause "abrotman" tells it so |
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| 21:57.35 | colloron | abrotman, im trying to make this happen on my box too but i cant even google it cause i dont know whats it called |
| 21:57.38 | menick | *g* |
| 21:57.52 | Kasatka | Anyone know how to make debian boot into gnome instead of having to use startx? |
| 21:58.08 | abrotman | Kasatka: install gdm |
| 21:58.23 | abrotman | colloron: make sure your resolution is correct .. and make sure gnome knows oyu have 4 viewports |
| 21:58.35 | abrotman | warreng: does that seem like it might work ? |
| 21:58.46 | ziupiu | warreng, simply append |tr -d "\n" to your command |
| 21:58.48 | Kasatka | abrotman: Thanks |
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| 21:59.11 | abrotman | ziupiu: oh .. that's much better than messing with RT :) |
| 21:59.23 | colloron | abrotman, well my resolution is fine and i have the default 4 virtual desktops. but these are button desktops. like if you press the 3rd then a new empty desktop appears which isnt what im talking about. |
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| 21:59.42 | abrotman | colloron: ah .. ok .. that's what i thought you meant .. |
| 21:59.42 | ziupiu | abrotman, ;) |
| 21:59.45 | colloron | im talking about the windows switched plugin in the buttom |
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| 21:59.49 | abrotman | colloron: so you're saying the desktop slides around ? |
| 21:59.58 | colloron | yeah |
| 22:00.03 | warreng | ziupiu: SWEET... thanks... that worked |
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| 22:00.16 | colloron | abrotman, its something in xorg's configuration but i dont know what im looking for so its hard |
| 22:00.39 | valdyn_ | colloron: you want to use xinerama? |
| 22:00.53 | abrotman | colloron: IIRC (haven't seen it in a LONG time) .. your monitor is doing a different resolution than your video card and X says .. i've got 1024x768 .. but you can only show 800x600 on the screen |
| 22:01.10 | abrotman | valdyn_: no .. it's the Pan&Scan that used to happen on X .. a long time ago |
| 22:01.17 | colloron | valdyn_, mz told me yesterday about xinerama but its not what im talking about. xinerama is to use 4 monitors to combine one desktop. i dont actually have 4 monitors. |
| 22:01.38 | colloron | abrotman, i dont think you understand what im talking about |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | colloron: is that right .. the mouse glides over the full desktop but the monitor doesn't display it all ? |
| 22:01.51 | valdyn_ | colloron: oh so you just want to scroll around in your screen? |
| 22:01.55 | colloron | abrotman, sort of |
| 22:02.07 | colloron | abrotman, but its not cause the configuration is bad for the resolution. its the way it should be. |
| 22:02.11 | colloron | valdyn_, yeap. |
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| 22:03.23 | valdyn_ | colloron: man xorg.confg ( or XF86Config-4 ), search for 'Virtual' |
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| 22:04.16 | colloron | valdyn_, how do i know if im runing xorg of XFree? |
| 22:04.22 | abrotman | X -version |
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| 22:04.32 | abrotman | see .. i got that one! .. i'm not so stupid! |
| 22:04.43 | colloron | heh |
| 22:04.50 | colloron | right its xorg |
| 22:04.58 | valdyn_ | colloron: the running process is called X in XFree and Xorg in xorg, iirc |
| 22:05.17 | blondie | burp |
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| 22:05.33 | Tortel | Any good FPSes for linux other than Unreal? |
| 22:05.45 | valdyn_ | Tortel: doom3? |
| 22:05.56 | Tortel | that has a linux build? |
| 22:06.05 | valdyn_ | Tortel: quake3 and quake4? |
| 22:06.10 | valdyn_ | Tortel: sure |
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| 22:07.54 | abrotman | Tortel: happypenguin.org |
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| 22:08.27 | Tortel | ty |
| 22:08.40 | thc | valydn_: do i need to be aware of anything special before i install sarge on a new amd64 desktop (other than installing an optimized kernel of course) |
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| 22:09.05 | sorcre | I have debian installed on my pc (64 bit edition on an Athlon 64 X2) and It doesn't seem to like my 2nd core (SMP kernel makes it crash instatly) has this been reported with the 32 bit version? |
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| 22:09.13 | abrotman | thc: install the old DOS util slomo so your games still work! |
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| 22:09.24 | thc | haha |
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| 22:09.33 | valdyn_ | thc: yea, be aware that debian/amd64 isnt just better than debian/i386 |
| 22:09.43 | Inkvisitor | does anyone know if you can hold down the trigger button on a joystick and still be able to steer with the axis (using kernel 2.6 joydev,emu10k1_gp,analog driver) ? |
| 22:10.00 | valdyn_ | sorcre: you need a newer kernel |
| 22:10.01 | thc | valdyn_: i got the motherboard and cpu for free, might as well play with it |
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| 22:10.04 | Fackamato | yes you can, Inkvisitor |
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| 22:10.14 | sorcre | valdyn_: I have the latest one |
| 22:10.21 | valdyn_ | sorcre: which is? |
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| 22:10.30 | Inkvisitor | Fackamato: how ? |
| 22:10.46 | sorcre | valdyn_: don't recall from memory, but it's the latest k8 SMP one on apt-get |
| 22:10.51 | Inkvisitor | if I press the button it doesn't react to what I do with the steeringstick |
| 22:10.54 | Fackamato | Inkvisitor by holding down the trigger button and steer |
| 22:10.54 | valdyn_ | sorcre: uname -r |
| 22:11.01 | Fackamato | ok, strange, works here |
| 22:11.03 | sorcre | valdyn_: I'm not on it right now |
| 22:11.18 | Inkvisitor | do you use the analog driver Fackamato ? |
| 22:11.26 | abrotman | Tortel: more specifically http://happypenguin.org/list?search=FPS |
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| 22:11.40 | sorcre | valdyn_: I think I'm going back to 32 bit |
| 22:11.52 | valdyn_ | sorcre: im not sure when amd64 x2 support was added, probably ~2.6.13 |
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| 22:12.09 | Quistis | ellow |
| 22:12.13 | sorcre | valdyn_: I think it was 2.6.14 |
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| 22:13.09 | buns | i am trying to make a source but I keep getting an error that says make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 22:13.09 | buns | make: *** [default] Error 2 |
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| 22:13.34 | valdyn_ | buns: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 22:13.34 | buns | what does this mean? |
| 22:13.37 | Quistis | i was at a Monowall presentation the other day and i was amazed by what it does, so i was wondering if there is a way to use some kind of traffic shaper on linux? |
| 22:13.51 | valdyn_ | buns: it means what it sais |
| 22:14.02 | buns | ok thx |
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| 22:14.10 | blubbsta | hi |
| 22:14.22 | jbroome | Quistis: wondershaper or tc |
| 22:14.33 | valdyn_ | buns: actually this might be linux-headers-$(uname -r), if that kernel is even still supported by debian |
| 22:14.46 | Quistis | jbroome could you give me the link for tc? |
| 22:14.52 | buns | ok |
| 22:14.52 | floundering | I want to set up a networked game for xmas, the game expects ipx. each debian box has one nework adapter and theres a dlink router. can it be done? |
| 22:14.56 | colloron | valdyn_, ive found something about 'virtual' in xorg.conf though i dont think its what i need |
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| 22:16.29 | quest_ | hi, i have this error while launching ./configure of a package: configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 22:16.50 | blubbsta | After reading several explanations I still dont understand how reverse dns works. Is it that only have to put the url as the reverse dns in the webinterface of my servers hoster or do I have to put the address of an dns there?` |
| 22:17.08 | buns | valdyn_, apparently the apt archive doesn't have 2.6.12 anything |
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| 22:17.43 | buns | valdyn_, might I need to upgrade to 2.6.14? |
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| 22:18.57 | Weng | Still having issues getting my preseeded setup to accept the DHCP hostname and the fact that there is no default route without questioning me about it. |
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| 22:19.19 | mkilgelmann | hi every body |
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| 22:20.00 | Weng | as far as I can tell, specifying the hostname in the preconfig file as in the example only changes the DEFAULT value of that screen |
| 22:20.01 | buns | I am running debian unstable, do the unstable apt sources not have 2.6.12 headers? |
| 22:20.18 | Weng | and doesn't actually dismiss it. |
| 22:20.32 | mkilgelmann | I've been reading the reference manual adn i think something is wrong on my debian |
| 22:20.42 | mkilgelmann | the problem is in the init |
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| 22:21.15 | jbroome | Quistis: google should have it. I don't know the link off hand |
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| 22:21.31 | buns | heh, i guess it's the day before thanksgiving and nobody is here |
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| 22:21.44 | kaze_no_kizu | I have Debian installed on my computer. I have a printer, Brother 1440, and I installed CUPS. I am able to print with openoffice.org, but I can't print with any pdf reader and firefox won't let me print either. |
| 22:22.04 | mkilgelmann | I installed firestarter, without a X running, and copying a previous configuration in the /etc/firestarter directory |
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| 22:22.12 | mkilgelmann | and startit and works fine |
| 22:22.21 | cmatheson | oh no! i ran chmod on a script i was editing in vim and so vim prompted me to reload the file... i said yes, but i lost *a ton* of new changes. 'u' doesn't undo, is there something i can do to revert back to the way it was? |
| 22:22.33 | mkilgelmann | but when i reboot it not start at boot |
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| 22:23.28 | mkilgelmann | i have the configuration of the rc2.d/S20firestarter ok |
| 22:24.01 | mkilgelmann | and in the /etc/init.d/ is the script firestater and it's all ok |
| 22:24.32 | mkilgelmann | honestly I don't know what is going on with my boot |
| 22:24.41 | Bogaurd | i have a lvm volume, from which i want to remove a drive. i need to shrink the filesystem first - how can i work out the new size of the filesystem in blocks? i'm removing a 40gb, how can i calculate this? |
| 22:24.53 | mkilgelmann | can you people can guide me with something? |
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| 22:25.05 | blubbsta | nobody got a tip on reverse dns? |
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| 22:25.56 | jair | guys i have the eth0 configure to start at boot "autho" can i change it to start manually? |
| 22:25.59 | buns | i'm trying to get dri working on my system, it seems as though the proprietary ati drivers didnt work so i'm using the generic linux ati drivers right now. But 3d hardare acceleration is still kaput |
| 22:26.21 | jair | should i change just the "autho" to "manual" |
| 22:26.27 | jair | auto |
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| 22:27.03 | abrotman | jair: what is the whole line ? |
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| 22:27.39 | jair | auto eth1 |
| 22:27.42 | mkilgelmann | people anybody can readme |
| 22:28.00 | jair | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 22:28.12 | mkilgelmann | I think i'm writing to nobody |
| 22:28.17 | abrotman | jair: you mean eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 22:28.38 | liable | mkilgelmann: yes, people can see you. |
| 22:29.13 | jair | abrotman, don't worry about what eth0 or eth1 it could be any of those, what I am looking for is the command to make it boot manually instead on boot -> "auto ethx" |
| 22:29.39 | liable | remove the auto line. |
| 22:29.47 | mkilgelmann | liable: so, know body readme and nobody is interested in my question right? |
| 22:30.00 | secher | WTF? Last night, I had a working X system. I installed gnome-desktop, played around for a bit, shut down, booted this morning, and X fails, no pointer found. I removed gdm and gnome-desktop, still no X, reran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with the three reasonable selections for pointers, and still no poinnter. I'm running on a Dell inspiron 5100, with a touchpad. any ideas? |
| 22:30.01 | jair | abrotman, I should just change the front auto eth1 --> manual eth1 |
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| 22:30.03 | blondie | do you need to be a file's owner to "touch" it? |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | jair: if it is just auto eth1 or auto eth0 on a line seperately .. comment it out |
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| 22:30.23 | liable | mkilgelmann: probably no-one here knows atm. ask again in an hour or two. |
| 22:30.26 | abrotman | blondie: stay away from my files |
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| 22:30.36 | blondie | abrotman: haha |
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| 22:30.49 | abrotman | jair: i just told oyu the answer! |
| 22:30.50 | mkilgelmann | who is atm liable? |
| 22:30.53 | abrotman | !atm |
| 22:30.54 | dpkg | from memory, atm is (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 22:31.01 | misleb | blondie: you just need write permission |
| 22:31.02 | jair | abrotman, ok thank you |
| 22:31.07 | blondie | misleb: nah |
| 22:31.14 | blondie | it says Operation not permitted |
| 22:31.16 | mkilgelmann | liable: or what is atm¿ |
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| 22:31.24 | liable | mkilgelmann: at the moment |
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| 22:31.25 | abrotman | mkilgelmann: At The Moment |
| 22:31.28 | blondie | when I'm not the owner (but do have w permission) |
| 22:31.31 | mkilgelmann | ok sorry |
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| 22:31.59 | liable | mkilgelmann: your question mark is upside down :) |
| 22:32.09 | mkilgelmann | yes i lnow |
| 22:32.15 | mkilgelmann | sorry |
| 22:32.19 | mkilgelmann | i know |
| 22:32.30 | mkilgelmann | ;) |
| 22:32.59 | misleb | blondie: maybe you need have write access to the directory?? |
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| 22:33.52 | blondie | I have, as that was needed to rename the files |
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| 22:33.58 | abrotman | liable: i'll be scared when his semicolon is upside down |
| 22:33.59 | aXp | hi all! |
| 22:34.20 | jair | abrotman, so if I want to start it after the machine boot i can run the command dhclient ethx and that nic will try to get an IP from the dhcp server? |
| 22:34.28 | abrotman | jair: yep |
| 22:34.35 | misleb | For some reason my capital O is upside down. Although yo couldn't tell by looking at it |
| 22:34.38 | aXp | i need to decode a mime multipart message which consosts of 6 files with mutt any idea how to do this? |
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| 22:34.54 | abrotman | #mutt ? |
| 22:35.22 | aXp | abrotman, a very silent channel |
| 22:35.24 | liable | abrotman: i dont get it, but nevermind :) |
| 22:35.26 | Wyzard | aXp: Mutt "decodes" the MIME automatically... you should see six file attachments on the email |
| 22:35.26 | jair | abrotman, ok thank you |
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| 22:35.38 | misleb | aXp: can't you just hit s (save, I think) and get to the 6 files that way? Or is it v? hmm |
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| 22:36.11 | misleb | v |
| 22:36.25 | aXp | misleb, I 1 <no description> [message/partial, 7bit, 2.9M] |
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| 22:36.27 | abrotman | liable: have you ever seen an upsidedown semicolon ? |
| 22:37.10 | misleb | aXp if it doesn't show all the docs, I wouls suspect that it isn't encoded properly. |
| 22:37.13 | liable | abrotman: um, no. |
| 22:37.34 | misleb | aXp: does all teh content show up in the message view? |
| 22:37.50 | aXp | no |
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| 22:38.16 | misleb | aXp: I dunno. I've neever had problems with mutt and multiple attachments |
| 22:38.27 | abrotman | liable: so you'd be scared if you saw one .. right ? :) |
| 22:38.32 | aXp | [-- message/partial is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] if i press v i get this: 1 <no description> |
| 22:38.56 | aXp | [message/partial, 7bit, 2.9M] |
| 22:39.41 | misleb | Never heard of message/partial. who sent it, with what mail client? |
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| 22:40.02 | aXp | *g* |
| 22:40.04 | aXp | X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 |
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| 22:41.38 | dannythm | hello |
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| 22:41.52 | dannythm | I got errors while doing startx |
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| 22:42.20 | marsje | what do I need to change in my Exim4 config to only allow access to my server from lovcalhost and a certain ip address (or range)? |
| 22:42.28 | liable | abrotman: heh, i dunno if i scare that easily :) |
| 22:42.29 | Ronin | dannythm: what errors? and dont paste them here please |
| 22:42.40 | dannythm | the errors are "Problem parsing the config file" and "error from xf86HandleConfigfile()" |
| 22:42.42 | abrotman | liable: would you like to see me in an umbrella hat ? |
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| 22:43.15 | dannythm | Ronin: and then is says "Fatal server error: No screens found" |
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| 22:44.21 | buns | when i run xine it keeps telling me there is no mrl. What is it? |
| 22:44.22 | dannythm | Ronin: it says data incomplete in the XF86Config-4 |
| 22:44.27 | Ronin | ack, whats the damn command to get dpkg to tell someone about reconfiguring x |
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| 22:44.37 | Guerin | dannythm: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 22:44.58 | Ronin | thanks Guerin |
| 22:45.03 | dannythm | I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:45.15 | dannythm | and it didin't worked |
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| 22:45.24 | Guerin | dannythm: is that what I told you to do? |
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| 22:45.42 | Ronin | dannythm: read what dpkg tells you |
| 22:45.46 | dannythm | Guerin: nope >< |
| 22:45.49 | dannythm | Ronin: ok |
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| 22:46.00 | awwa | any webdesigners in here? |
| 22:46.02 | jayjay734 | abrotman : I tried to add the file to the initrd image, but I don't know how to rebuild it using mkinitrd |
| 22:46.04 | Guerin | awwa: no. |
| 22:46.08 | Tortel | awaa: i can be |
| 22:46.11 | Ronin | silly question too dannythm did you reboot after? for some reason i had to reboot after it, |
| 22:46.19 | abrotman | jayjay734: for your NIC ? |
| 22:46.24 | misleb | awwa: I play one at work |
| 22:46.26 | jayjay734 | abrotman : yes |
| 22:46.27 | Tortel | awaa: I know HTML and PHP |
| 22:46.31 | dannythm | Ronin: yes, becasuse I tryed to fixed it yesterday |
| 22:46.38 | Ronin | dannythm: had to check |
| 22:46.39 | abrotman | jayjay734: it doesn't have to be in your initrd .. you can load it after the installer loads |
| 22:46.49 | awwa | i was looking for a good recomendation of editor, something good for xhtml css and php |
| 22:46.58 | Tortel | bluefish |
| 22:46.59 | abrotman | mmm .. beer |
| 22:47.01 | un_captain_flam | awwa:emacs |
| 22:47.02 | awwa | misleb: any good applications for linux? |
| 22:47.09 | jayjay734 | abrotman : how? the netinst does not use the .iso |
| 22:47.16 | awwa | emacs would take me too long |
| 22:47.20 | Tortel | bluefish |
| 22:47.26 | misleb | awwa: Just want syntax highlighting or more? |
| 22:47.27 | Tortel | :) |
| 22:47.28 | dannythm | Ronin: ok...dpkg says nothing >< |
| 22:47.32 | awwa | bluefish is html and has suckky css |
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| 22:47.40 | abrotman | jayjay734: you put your module in with the ISO ? ... and then saved the ISO ? |
| 22:47.41 | Ronin | dannythm: sure it does |
| 22:47.49 | awwa | misleb: well syntax is about enough, some stuff to same time would be nice |
| 22:47.59 | Ronin | dannythm: did you /msg dpkg set up x |
| 22:48.03 | slipper1 | /me |
| 22:48.03 | dannythm | Ronin: so it's the ping |
| 22:48.06 | Tortel | awaa: bluefish!! |
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| 22:48.29 | misleb | awwa: gedit is decent. Has tabs and syntax highlighing. jEdit if you want to get serious :) |
| 22:48.33 | jayjay734 | abrotman : the netinst does not use any iso , there is a mini.iso but it is not used |
| 22:48.43 | dannythm | Ronin: yes I did /msg dpkg set up x |
| 22:48.47 | awwa | jedit is that java? |
| 22:48.56 | Ronin | then read what it said, in what ever window opened |
| 22:48.57 | misleb | awwa: yeah. |
| 22:49.00 | Agrajag- | awwa: you want vim |
| 22:49.04 | welson | what packages do I need for a wireless nic, just wireless-tools? |
| 22:49.20 | abrotman | jayjay734: yes the netinst uses an iso |
| 22:49.24 | awwa | hmm, well i dont like java that much, think gedit is better then |
| 22:49.27 | awwa | or emacs |
| 22:49.38 | sfullenwider | anyone know of any alternatives to cdrecord? |
| 22:49.45 | cmatheson | ok, here's a tricky one: i have two qlogic hba's installed in one of my servers. i only want one of them to be enabled (er, that is i only want the module to work for one of the cards, not the second), how can i prevent it from loading up both cards? |
| 22:49.47 | abrotman | yeah ... a press |
| 22:49.48 | misleb | emacs? Do you want an OS or an editor? :) |
| 22:49.48 | jayjay734 | abrotman : I thought so, I deleted to mini.iso to check and it works |
| 22:49.56 | abrotman | !d-i jayjay734 |
| 22:49.59 | dpkg | jayjay734, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:49.59 | abrotman | jayjay734: what is your NIC ? |
| 22:50.01 | sfullenwider | I asked yesturday I think. but I don't remember. |
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| 22:50.40 | sfullenwider | I need to keep nondigital notes...you reinstall your gear you loose your notes, esp if you were reinstalling over burning media |
| 22:50.50 | dannythm | Ronin: I readed it |
| 22:50.56 | dannythm | but I did that |
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| 22:50.59 | slipper1 | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 22:51.00 | abrotman | jayjay734: which NIC do you have ? |
| 22:51.07 | jayjay734 | abrotman : nvidia nforce 4 |
| 22:51.11 | abrotman | oh yeah .. hrm |
| 22:51.22 | misleb | cmatheson: you'll probably have to look at the load options for the specific driver. |
| 22:51.24 | abrotman | jayjay734: anyways .. load up that ISO .. put your compiled module on it .. and redo the iso .. |
| 22:51.32 | Catch`CoNdA | hehe. ppl must be tired of me by now .. :P Ok, now I fixed X, so that I can login but the greeter has no options and I can only login to gnome, it gives me some error messages too. I have installed kde and kdebase, everything is up2date. anyone knows whats up? |
| 22:51.35 | blondie | ew beer |
| 22:51.36 | liable | abrotman: heh, sure. |
| 22:51.37 | misleb | cmatheson: You may be able tp specify a PCI ID or something. |
| 22:51.41 | abrotman | liable: help jayjay734 |
| 22:51.43 | cmatheson | misleb: ok, thanks |
| 22:51.47 | Ronin | beer good |
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| 22:51.53 | abrotman | Ronin: and for $1 :) |
| 22:51.59 | misleb | beer better when make by self |
| 22:52.04 | Ronin | $1??? wait for me abrotman |
| 22:52.06 | brian__ | How do you create a new file from the command line? |
| 22:52.08 | Ronin | misleb: very true |
| 22:52.08 | jayjay734 | abrotman : I did but how do I boot this iso with the netinst? |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:52.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
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| 22:52.14 | Phated | brian__: touch |
| 22:52.17 | dannythm | Ronin: and it don0t work |
| 22:52.19 | abrotman | jayjay734: wait .. you don't have a CD drive .. damn it! |
| 22:52.26 | abrotman | jayjay734: ask #debian-boot the best way for you to do this |
| 22:52.38 | jayjay734 | abrotman : ok thanks for all |
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| 22:52.56 | mkilgelmann | hi every, one I've been reading the reference manual and i think something is wrong on my debian |
| 22:52.56 | mkilgelmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.56 | mkilgelmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.04 | sorcre | Hello, I can't seem to get Debian working with a SMP kernel. The normal one works alright, but as soon as I try to boot into the SMP one it crashes and says "console will not shut up" |
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| 22:53.20 | sorcre | now* |
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| 22:53.40 | misleb | Ronin: what kind is it? |
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| 22:54.58 | dannythm | Ronin: how do I can figure my bus ID for my radeon? |
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| 22:55.17 | dino4k | dannythm: lspci |
| 22:55.19 | misleb | dannythm: lspci |
| 22:55.19 | sorcre | I'm trying to boot into 2.6.8-14 SMP |
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| 22:55.26 | misleb | Damn, too slow |
| 22:55.30 | urquhart_ | new to this so Hello and here goes |
| 22:55.33 | liable | dannythm: configuring x? just leave it blank. |
| 22:55.47 | dannythm | liable: oh...ok |
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| 22:56.17 | citral | wel... on x86 thatis, because on ppc you must give it |
| 22:56.37 | slipper1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.39 | urquhart_ | I have Sarge for AMD64 on an Amd 64 box, it installed kernel 2.6.8-11 I have no sound *realtek AC97* and no sil_sata, what to do? |
| 22:56.40 | slipper1 | watch -n 60 /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_dumpall -U postgres > Backup/minutedb/dbbackup-`date +%F-%T`.sql |
| 22:56.42 | colloron | i've opened port 1701 and im seeing with nmap open|filtered. why? shouldnt it be just open? |
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| 22:57.39 | Tortel | !bored |
| 22:57.39 | dpkg | it has been said that bored is something that you are when you are asking apt stupid questions like "tell me about bored", or what you are when you ask apt stupid questions like "What is bored?", or check freshmeat.net/random/, or check the debian user homepages, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or <reply> only boring people get bored |
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| 22:58.04 | misleb | slipper1 the command is only run onces. |
| 22:58.22 | Ronin | misleb: a bitter, a stout and a pale |
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| 22:58.29 | Ronin | this weekend its a red i plan on making |
| 22:58.34 | urquhart_ | anyone know how to get realtek AC97 working on Amd64 sarge? |
| 22:58.53 | sorcre | how do I completely close X? |
| 22:59.02 | bucky | urquhart_: alsaconfig |
| 22:59.13 | urquhart_ | cheers! |
| 22:59.20 | Ronin | off to make supper |
| 22:59.34 | slipper1 | misleb: it runs every 60 sec but uses the same date and time stamp |
| 22:59.37 | urquhart_ | been led into laziness by years of Suse |
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| 23:00.16 | dannythm | Ronin: ok, so I just did what dpkg said, then rebooted |
| 23:00.24 | dannythm | and I still got the same errors |
| 23:00.24 | Nihilanth | Does anyone know why using XFS with grub on debian sarge doesnt work? Or does anyone know a possible fix for it |
| 23:00.27 | misleb | Ronin: That is a lot of different beer. How much per batch? I just made 5 gallons of a seasonal pale (w/ orange peel and corriander). |
| 23:00.31 | sparr | about to make the switch from mozilla to firefox+thunderbird... wish me luck |
| 23:01.02 | misleb | slipper1: because the command afer the > is only run once. |
| 23:01.06 | citral | sparr: eaaassyyyy |
| 23:01.07 | jair | abrotman, ok thank yoiifconfig |
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| 23:01.36 | dannythm | Thunder-: eres tu, dios? |
| 23:01.57 | sparr | not being able to keep extensions installed when debian overwrites my mozilla files is the prime motivating factor |
| 23:01.58 | jair | guys I am having litle situation with my network configuration |
| 23:02.07 | dannythm | so, I did what dpkg said at /msg dpkg set up x |
| 23:02.07 | Tortel | whats wrong? |
| 23:02.19 | dannythm | but it still gives me the same errors |
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| 23:02.40 | liable | dannythm: that are? |
| 23:02.58 | misleb | slipper1: try including everything after -n 60 in double quotes so it is run as a singular command. That woudl only work though if watch invokes a shell |
| 23:03.11 | liable | jair: and those issues are? |
| 23:03.17 | jair | Tortel, I have a server postfix,mysql,apache, configure with static ip address, and is connected to a switch ---> connected to the network. |
| 23:03.47 | dannythm | liable: Data incomplete in file /etc/X!!/XF86Config-4 Problem parsin the config file, error from fxHandleConfigFile() and Fatar server error: no screens found |
| 23:03.48 | jair | liable, I can ping the router 192.168.168.1 but I can not go out to the internet? |
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| 23:04.09 | Tortel | probably ports need to be forewardec |
| 23:04.15 | crash3m_ | jair: route add default gw 192.168.168.1 |
| 23:04.15 | Tortel | *forewarded |
| 23:04.21 | citral | jair: give the router address as gateway |
| 23:04.25 | liable | jair: cant ping internet by ip? |
| 23:04.29 | jair | crash3m_, that sounds to be a solution |
| 23:04.36 | zarathustra | I installed the file patches, how do i apply them? they appeared in usr/src/ |
| 23:04.36 | jair | liable, right |
| 23:04.42 | liable | dannythm: did you hand edit the file or something? |
| 23:04.48 | jair | citral, cool |
| 23:04.59 | dannythm | liable: I erased it tomorrow as an advide someone here told me to fix my problem |
| 23:05.00 | jair | I think that is what i was missing ;) |
| 23:05.11 | jair | gw 192.168.168.1 |
| 23:05.13 | jair | cool |
| 23:05.15 | jair | let me try |
| 23:05.22 | liable | dannythm: you erased it tomorrow? |
| 23:05.24 | dannythm | liable: but I created it again, and I thought that a reconfigure should wrte it again |
| 23:05.25 | emergo | I tried with cvs -d .... import but says its not a directory, cant find how do import a single file |
| 23:05.35 | dannythm | liable: errrr... yesterday |
| 23:05.38 | zarathustra | quit |
| 23:05.40 | zarathustra | exit |
| 23:05.41 | liable | dannythm: did you md5sum it? |
| 23:05.42 | zarathustra | ack |
| 23:05.46 | liable | zarathustra: / |
| 23:05.50 | citral | zarathustra: /quit |
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| 23:05.52 | dannythm | liable: how I do it? |
| 23:06.01 | liable | !xmd5sum |
| 23:06.01 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 23:06.16 | ApTek | CD LOGS |
| 23:06.18 | citral | blah |
| 23:06.20 | liable | dannythm: ^^ just do the md5sum bit |
| 23:07.00 | dannythm | liable: oh.. I first do that an then i doa reconfigure |
| 23:07.07 | liable | dannythm: yep |
| 23:07.19 | tommi^ | I can't install gnome-desktop-environment due to unmet depencies. I've tracked this to "libroken16-kerberos4kth: Depends: libdb4.1 but it is not installable." The are newer versions over libdb available but not that one. Using unstable, of course.. What should I do? |
| 23:07.50 | jair | liable, citral, crash3m_,Tortel Thank you very much guys I got it :0 |
| 23:08.01 | citral | de nada |
| 23:08.12 | jair | that is all now i have them static and going out to the internet ;) |
| 23:08.13 | Tortel | huh, I did something useful? |
| 23:08.16 | jair | citral, ;) |
| 23:08.31 | citral | jair: to make it permanent, put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:08.42 | jair | it is there ;) |
| 23:08.56 | jair | citral, i was editing that file |
| 23:09.08 | citral | bien bien |
| 23:09.12 | jair | that was spanish |
| 23:09.18 | jair | where are you from? |
| 23:09.19 | citral | french :) |
| 23:09.22 | jair | haha |
| 23:09.35 | jair | ok whatever ;) thank you though |
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| 23:10.39 | jair | normally to and the non-free source.lst you just need to add "non-free" at the end of the line? |
| 23:11.01 | dannythm | liable: IT WORKED!!!! |
| 23:11.18 | dannythm | liable: It's the first tiem I broke my xfre and I don't have to reinstall |
| 23:11.44 | dannythm | liable: now... can you please tell me how do I start KDE? it only starts Gnome |
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| 23:12.35 | ThePiratemaster | hi everyone |
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| 23:13.09 | buns | I can't seem to find my kernel source or kernel headers under apt, i'm running 2.6.12 but the only thing available is 2.6.14 |
| 23:13.19 | linescanner | guys I have just setup mailman with postfix on sarge and am getting Group mismatch errors. How do I fix it ? |
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| 23:14.04 | misleb | linescanner: sounds vaguely familiar. Where are you getting the eirrors? |
| 23:14.40 | linescanner | Mail log |
| 23:14.46 | buns | can anyone see me typing? |
| 23:14.49 | linescanner | misleb: Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman" |
| 23:15.07 | crash3m_ | buns: of course not |
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| 23:15.33 | ThePiratemaster | i have the following problem when i try to acces my smb server on debian sarge. when ppl acces it in windows they are being asked for a pasword. i try every unix passowrd and the matchign account i have (wich is only one) but i cant seem to logg-in |
| 23:15.37 | buns | hah, i was getting worried...i've asked like 5 questions in the last hour and nobody has responeded |
| 23:15.44 | k-man__ | how can i render a midi file into a wav file? |
| 23:15.48 | ThePiratemaster | what should i do to mske it work |
| 23:16.35 | sorcre | Did anyone get SMP to work on a dual core processor? I can't seem to make it work... |
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| 23:17.23 | citral | k-man__: I'd launch record (comes with xawtv iirc) to listen on /dev/mixer, and play the midi file. |
| 23:17.43 | k-man__ | citral, hmm... ok |
| 23:18.00 | misleb | linescanner: strange, I'd expect to see it the other way around. what is the group for /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman and is it set rwxr_sr_x |
| 23:18.04 | citral | record is pretty nice... you'll see |
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| 23:18.07 | k-man__ | citral, but how should i play the midi file? i'm after something that will render it with decent samples |
| 23:18.35 | dannythm | I just fixed my xfree86 |
| 23:18.39 | liable | dannythm: do you have a dm installed? if so, just pick kde from the session menu. |
| 23:18.43 | buns | if i need kernel-source and apt doesn't have kernel-source-2.6.12, how do i get it? |
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| 23:18.59 | ThePiratemaster | tarball |
| 23:18.59 | mkilgelmann | hi every-one |
| 23:19.02 | mkilgelmann | its me again |
| 23:19.04 | thc | buns: linux-source |
| 23:19.07 | dannythm | liable: I just rebooted and it started KDE |
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| 23:19.18 | dannythm | liable: thanks anyway |
| 23:19.31 | liable | np |
| 23:19.33 | nvz | mkilgelmann: was that just a pointless statement, or a warning? |
| 23:19.37 | dannythm | liable: can you help me now installing fglrx for a radeon? |
| 23:19.37 | misleb | linescanner: if mailman wants it to run as daemon, change the group of the file to daemon |
| 23:19.42 | citral | k-man__: you need 1) modprobe snd-virmidi 2) timidity 3) freepats 4) a midi player |
| 23:19.43 | buns | thc, but what if it is only available for 2.6.14? |
| 23:19.56 | buns | could that have something to do with me running unstable? |
| 23:19.56 | nvz | mkilgelmann: I dont recall the circumstances under which you were last here :P |
| 23:20.01 | mkilgelmann | nvz: I'm not dangeraus |
| 23:20.01 | k-man__ | citral, ah, ok, thanks |
| 23:20.10 | dannythm | liable: If I crasehd my xfree was because I tried installing fglrx |
| 23:20.11 | thc | it's linux-source* linux-image* etc. after 2.6.12 i believe |
| 23:20.14 | linescanner | misleb: sorry just nipped away. I will check |
| 23:20.15 | sorcre | Does debian have problems with dual core processors? |
| 23:20.17 | nvz | mkilgelmann: thats what they all say I am sure |
| 23:20.50 | citral | k-man__: timidity is the virtual synth, freepats the sounds databank |
| 23:20.51 | mkilgelmann | nvz: i've been here 30 minits aho |
| 23:20.53 | buns | thc, i dont follow |
| 23:20.57 | mkilgelmann | ago, opps |
| 23:21.00 | nvz | sorcre: only when users try using them without an smp kernel |
| 23:21.03 | nvz | afaik |
| 23:21.21 | sorcre | nvz: SMP refuses to work for me |
| 23:21.24 | nvz | mkilgelmann: who you callin a ho? :P |
| 23:21.24 | linescanner | misleb: I may have spotted something. Let me just try and I will get back |
| 23:21.29 | ThePiratemaster | i have the following problem when i try to acces my smb server on debian sarge. when ppl acces it in windows they are being asked for a pasword. i try every unix passowrd and the matchign account i have (wich is only one) but i cant seem to logg-in |
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| 23:21.36 | ThePiratemaster | what should i do to make it work |
| 23:21.37 | thc | buns: apt-cache search linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 23:21.37 | sorcre | nvz: Debian won't boot with an SMP kernel |
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| 23:21.43 | k-man__ | citral, ah, cool, thanks |
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| 23:21.49 | mkilgelmann | nvz: can you guide me in some trouble i have with init.d |
| 23:21.49 | nvz | sorcre: *shrug* maybe you should try being more specific |
| 23:21.58 | nvz | I am going to try going back to bed myself |
| 23:22.13 | buns | thc, yeah, its not there |
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| 23:22.14 | nvz | mkilgelmann: man update-rc.d *shurg* |
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| 23:22.21 | buns | thc, that's why i'm confused |
| 23:22.27 | citral | ThePiratemaster: *read* the doc |
| 23:22.27 | thc | buns: then you don't have etch in your sources.list |
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| 23:22.45 | sorcre | nvz: I have an athlon 64 X2 CPU, When I try to boot into the SMP kernel I get a "Console shuts up" error. It only works with the regular kernel. both 2.6.8-14 |
| 23:22.51 | mkilgelmann | nvz: *shurg* what this? |
| 23:23.27 | Guerin | citral: noooo! not the Shurgs from Beyond! |
| 23:23.32 | citral | blurp |
| 23:23.42 | Guerin | !:E |
| 23:23.42 | linescanner | misleb: I do believe it was me being stupid. the /data/aliases file I had set to group mailman not lists. I was using my old documentation and just followed it blindly |
| 23:23.43 | buns | thc, so it IS because i'm running the latest debian unstable? |
| 23:23.43 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
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| 23:23.52 | Tortel | !ewok |
| 23:23.54 | linescanner | misleb: Thanks for your help :) |
| 23:23.56 | Tortel | :( |
| 23:24.07 | citral | @þ:P |
| 23:24.15 | thc | buns: rtfm. sid's kernel is 2.6.14, why would you even look for a 2.6.12 ? |
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| 23:24.44 | sorcre | Sigh, well it's back to fedora core for this box. |
| 23:24.54 | Ronin | sorcre: on purpose? ewww |
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| 23:25.04 | buns | thc, really? okay.. can you remind me of the apt-get command to upgrade the distro ?? |
| 23:25.18 | citral | sorcre: ok, bye. |
| 23:25.18 | Tortel | apt-get disto-upgrade? |
| 23:25.21 | thc | buns: man apt-get; man aptitude |
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| 23:25.23 | sorcre | Ronin: I use debian on all my pcs, but I've had nothing but bad experiences with SMP |
| 23:25.35 | buns | yeah distro-upgrade |
| 23:25.39 | thc | Tortel: what's that command going to do |
| 23:25.48 | Tortel | no idea |
| 23:25.49 | Tortel | :P |
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| 23:25.52 | misleb | linescanner: Hmm, the debian scripts should have setup your aliases for you. listadd or something generates appropriate lines for aliases |
| 23:25.54 | Guerin | sorcre: why do you think fedora will solve your smp problems? |
| 23:26.00 | Tortel | probably go wtf? |
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| 23:26.17 | MoLoot | lsusb shows both my mouse and keyboard, but neither are working... how can I correct this? |
| 23:26.22 | sorcre | Guerin: Because I installed it on this pc earlier and it worked. I just like debian better, so I switched |
| 23:26.23 | Guerin | sorcre: smp support is a linux issue, not a debian issue ... if you have problems with the stock kernels, build your own |
| 23:26.31 | sorcre | Guerin: Works on fedora |
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| 23:26.59 | Guerin | sorcre: the curious thing being that the smp code is probably identical, given identical kernel versions |
| 23:27.08 | misleb | Ronin: when you get a tap built into that fridge i'll be more impressed :) |
| 23:27.09 | madclicker | how do i configure sudo to ask me for root passowrd everytime i issue the "sudo -s" command? |
| 23:27.16 | Guerin | sorcre: you could even use the fedora kernel on the debian machine, if it tickles you that much |
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| 23:27.20 | linescanner | misleb: I just followed my old docs for SuSE and created the group mailman and set this as owner of data/aliases*. I am new to debian and did not realise that mailman is set to use goup list |
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| 23:27.39 | linescanner | misleb: Me being a plank |
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| 23:27.42 | sorcre | Guerin: Wouldn't know where to start. I can use linux, but I don't know much about the kernel |
| 23:27.43 | Ronin | misleb: should see my brewbuddies they have kegs in the house and brew in the 100 litre range at one time |
| 23:27.46 | Guerin | sorcre: what I'm driving at is that reinstalling your entire OS for a kernel issue is like buying a new car because the battery went dead |
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| 23:28.04 | Tortel | !:D |
| 23:28.05 | dpkg | :D!!! |
| 23:28.20 | citral | pfff |
| 23:28.26 | sorcre | Guerin: So if you had a dual core CPU you would ignore the 2nd core? |
| 23:28.32 | Skaag | I have a strange issue with ServerAlias not working on a certain installation of apache in debian |
| 23:28.45 | Guerin | sorcre: no, I'd fix the problem, which would NOT involve reinstalling the OS. |
| 23:28.58 | sorcre | Guerin: I've tried to fix the problem for weeks |
| 23:29.05 | gravity | Oh man, super planet flood |
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| 23:29.15 | citral | sorcre: which version of debian do you ru, and telll us with uname -a your kernel version |
| 23:29.23 | Guerin | sorcre: t\you clearly haven't done the ONE thing which will fix it, which is to use a kernel which supports your chip. |
| 23:29.33 | Guerin | err, your cpu |
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| 23:29.58 | sorcre | citral: Sarge (32 bit) 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 23:30.05 | tonyfader | roundup or request-tracker3.4 ? which is better? |
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| 23:30.47 | citral | sorcre: did you tried 2.6.12-1 ? |
| 23:30.48 | Guerin | sorcre: does your kernel have smp support built in? |
| 23:30.59 | pusling | what updates /etc/debian_version ? |
| 23:31.14 | sorcre | Guerin: I tried several kernels. this one doesn't support it |
| 23:31.19 | sorcre | Guerin: Won't boot into any SMP ones |
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| 23:31.36 | sorcre | citral: aye |
| 23:31.53 | citral | sorcre: it's called linux-image-blah |
| 23:31.55 | ThePiratemaster | i have the following problem when i try to acces my smb server on debian sarge. when ppl acces it in windows they are being asked for a pasword. i try every unix password and the maching account i have (wich is only one) but i cant seem to logg-in |
| 23:32.04 | wechlol | möp |
| 23:32.24 | Guerin | pusling: base-files |
| 23:32.33 | citral | pfioüt |
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| 23:32.46 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: #samba |
| 23:33.00 | mtnman | thepiratemaster: i haven't used samba in a long time, but there was something called smbpasswd. iirc, there was a second set of passwords for samba, separate from unix. |
| 23:33.01 | ThePiratemaster | been there |
| 23:33.03 | ThePiratemaster | no awnsers |
| 23:33.10 | loxley_ | ThePiratemaster: man smbpasswd |
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| 23:33.21 | ThePiratemaster | only "ThePiratemaster: #debian |
| 23:33.22 | ThePiratemaster | " |
| 23:33.23 | Guerin | sorcre: what version of the fedora kernel works? |
| 23:33.25 | citral | or rtfm |
| 23:33.37 | wechlol | german here? |
| 23:33.42 | Guerin | wechlol: we don't care. |
| 23:33.44 | citral | nein |
| 23:33.45 | sorcre | Guerin: default one. 2-6-14 I believe |
| 23:33.46 | Tortel | !german |
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| 23:33.47 | dpkg | german is probably #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 23:33.53 | wechlol | thx |
| 23:33.54 | jeantodt | salvee |
| 23:33.54 | sorcre | Guerin: 2.6.8-14 |
| 23:34.01 | jeantodt | si puooo |
| 23:34.06 | jeantodt | sono nuovo di qui |
| 23:34.08 | Guerin | sorcre: use the debian 2.6.14 -smp kernel from sid |
| 23:34.24 | citral | jeantodt: english, please |
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| 23:34.32 | jeantodt | io |
| 23:34.35 | jeantodt | ita! |
| 23:34.43 | Tortel | !spanish |
| 23:34.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:35.08 | jeantodt | ? |
| 23:35.10 | sorcre | Guerin: Where can I find it? |
| 23:35.18 | Guerin | sorcre: packages.debian.org |
| 23:35.49 | Guerin | sorcre: if you grab it with wget and install it with dpkg -i, it should work. |
| 23:35.57 | sorcre | Guerin: Thanks, I will try it |
| 23:36.04 | citral | he probably needs other packages from sid, like yaird or something |
| 23:36.28 | Guerin | citral: needs? I thought they would work with existing stuff. |
| 23:36.43 | Guerin | i know yaird needs newer kernels, but I didn't think it was the other way around |
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| 23:37.03 | citral | I'd put a sid line in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get install -t sid linux-image then remove the line. |
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| 23:37.49 | Bogaurd | how can i clear the database for the 'locate' command? |
| 23:37.59 | nkuttler | citral: you could go to packages.debian.org and get it there |
| 23:38.20 | nkuttler | Bogaurd: clear? why would you want to do that? |
| 23:38.20 | citral | Bogaurd: you probably mean sudo updatedb |
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| 23:38.37 | nashkil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.41 | nashkil | could anybody guide me on the init script |
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| 23:38.50 | nashkil | I read the update-rc.d and did some stuffs bue can't get firestarter run at boottime |
| 23:38.54 | Guerin | nashkil: /etc/init.d/README can |
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| 23:38.59 | nashkil | manually it start |
| 23:39.07 | nashkil | but not at boot time |
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| 23:39.23 | Bogaurd | nkuttler: well, i just want a command that will generate a lot of disc activity to test something, and running 'updatedb' only lasts about 2 secs now, cause it's all up to date =) |
| 23:39.25 | nkuttler | nashkil: the man page has an extensive examples section |
| 23:39.40 | nashkil | I readit to, but the hole proccess in the reference manual of the debian home page |
| 23:39.42 | nkuttler | Bogaurd: find / |
| 23:39.42 | themusicgod1 | How does one make gdb leave you a 'core' file when the program one is debugging crashes? |
| 23:39.52 | Bogaurd | nkuttler: hmmkay =) |
| 23:40.11 | Bogaurd | nkuttler: is that reading from a db? |
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| 23:40.25 | nkuttler | Bogaurd: don't think so |
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| 23:40.54 | Bogaurd | nkuttler: cool, thanks. |
| 23:40.55 | jeantodt | ragazzi come vado in una chat italiana? |
| 23:41.02 | nkuttler | !it |
| 23:41.02 | Bogaurd | hopefully it will have the right effect. |
| 23:41.02 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 23:41.21 | wechlol | cu |
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| 23:41.29 | Bogaurd | nkuttler: it didnt last long enough.... it went through about 300gb in a minute or so. |
| 23:41.42 | nashkil | nkuttler: the thing is that not start at boot time, and i thing is every thing is correctly configured |
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| 23:41.49 | Bogaurd | i need some command that will give _sustained_ insane disk activity |
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| 23:42.10 | nkuttler | nashkil: add some debugging output to the script, maybe it neads something that is started later? |
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| 23:42.17 | citral | Bogaurd: cat /dev/urandom |
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| 23:42.26 | nkuttler | Bogaurd: build a kernel |
| 23:42.38 | bbrazil | themusicgod1: set the core file size to non-zero via ulimit |
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| 23:42.57 | Bogaurd | oh yay, thanks for that one citral =P |
| 23:43.01 | citral | Bogaurd: play ennemy territory |
| 23:43.03 | Bogaurd | my ssh sessions is going MENTAL |
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| 23:43.10 | nkuttler | Bogaurd: apt-cache show stress |
| 23:43.19 | nashkil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.41 | citral | Bogaurd: ... or ist it just you ? |
| 23:43.55 | Bogaurd | probably both. |
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| 23:44.54 | Bogaurd | nkuttler: how can i setup a 'stress' test? |
| 23:45.03 | nkuttler | Bogaurd: read the docs? |
| 23:45.13 | Bogaurd | kk |
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| 23:45.19 | Guerin | fucking hell, why do new kernels all depend on yaird and udev? |
| 23:45.34 | citral | because they all suck. |
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| 23:45.46 | MrBallZ | is there a .deb for firefox 1.07 ? |
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| 23:45.48 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 23:45.56 | nimak | MrBallZ: yes |
| 23:46.01 | citral | !praise 2.4 |
| 23:46.14 | antgel | Guerin: sanoj has backports at http://debian.jones.dk |
| 23:46.25 | MrBallZ | nimak: where ... |
| 23:46.26 | Guerin | antgel: ah. |
| 23:46.37 | Guerin | sorcre: http://debian.jones.dk |
| 23:46.42 | nimak | its in testing |
| 23:46.45 | markybob | Guerin: because devfs is no longer in the vanila kernel |
| 23:46.51 | deadcat | how is a printer $50 after $30 mir, samsung laser ml-2010, is toner $80/3000pg too $$? let me know. thinking of getting it today or so |
| 23:46.59 | sorcre | Guerin: hmm? |
| 23:47.26 | Ronin | deadcat: thats the one i have, works like a charm |
| 23:47.34 | sorcre | Guerin: broken link? |
| 23:47.43 | Ronin | nope sorry its a 1710 |
| 23:47.44 | Guerin | sorcre: no. |
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| 23:47.45 | deadcat | Ronin: thanks. but is toner $$$? |
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| 23:47.48 | deadcat | ah |
| 23:48.15 | Guerin | antgel: these are for woody |
| 23:48.16 | Ronin | still original toner though for over a year, and the wife uses it a LOT for work |
| 23:48.25 | deadcat | Ronin: lasttime the 1740 was $25 after rebate. )= missed it |
| 23:48.31 | deadcat | Ronin: cool. |
| 23:48.52 | MrBallZ | nimak: where ... |
| 23:49.04 | antgel | Guerin: yaird that is. udev is obviously in sarge. it *is* there, but i had trouble finding it from the homepage. sanoj provided the direct url. i have the .deb, but you might not want to trust me :) |
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| 23:50.20 | dannythm | wow! |
| 23:50.24 | dannythm | I'm rocking today |
| 23:50.32 | dannythm | I just installed fien the fglrx |
| 23:50.34 | dannythm | but |
| 23:50.45 | dannythm | I dunno how to enable the tv-out |
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| 23:50.59 | citral | you didn't learn to use the enter key properly |
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| 23:51.10 | antgel | dannythm: ask the vendor? read the manual? |
| 23:51.13 | Snake-Eyes | wheres the best place to put imapproxy? on the imap server or on the webmail server thats using it? |
| 23:51.31 | mousex | the backdoor is here ;) |
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| 23:51.59 | backdoor | mouseX |
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| 23:52.26 | azeem | mousex, backdoor: wow, how did you do that? |
| 23:52.29 | nrdb | Hi I have setup a new debian install, I am looking for how to setup the computers name for DHCP |
| 23:52.37 | mousex | azeem: magic |
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| 23:52.44 | David_K | nrdb: As in the hostname? |
| 23:52.46 | azeem | nrdb: edit /etc/hostname |
| 23:53.01 | citral | uhhh... nooo |
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| 23:53.17 | citral | use dhclient |
| 23:53.22 | dannythm | antgel: well.. in OSx86 I know how to configure it, in windows is already configured |
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| 23:53.32 | nrdb | David_K:azeem: No, as what is recorded in the 'dhcp.leases' file. |
| 23:53.41 | backdoor | I installed Linux on my powerbook G4 but i can't get the track pad to work |
| 23:53.48 | dannythm | antgel: but in sarge I don't think ati would tell me how to enable a tv out for a radeon 9200 in sarge |
| 23:53.51 | backdoor | right now i'm using an external usb mouse |
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| 23:54.08 | antgel | dannythm: then i would tell them that their driver documentation is shit |
| 23:54.16 | citral | backdoor: you'd better ask in #debian-ppc |
| 23:54.30 | backdoor | thanks |
| 23:54.31 | dannythm | antgel: as theyr driver cannot be installed in deian by the way they say |
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| 23:56.39 | dannythm | can anyone help me to configure fglrx to enable the tvout? |
| 23:56.55 | liable | dannythm: seeing as that is a proprietry driver, you would be better off asking elsewhere. try #ati |
| 23:57.05 | citral | dannythm: you must install fglrx, then you google and find a proper xorg.conf |
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| 23:57.59 | dannythm | citral: I'm using xfree |
| 23:58.10 | citral | same thing |
| 23:58.21 | phaedral | hey all |
| 23:58.27 | citral | XF86Config-4 |
| 23:58.38 | phaedral | what're the cool kids of #debian using to catch podcasts? |
| 23:58.45 | nissemus | Hello, anybody has idea where my dns config is stored |
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