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| 00:01.09 | dusk | got a weird one: im installing debian in vmware, when I update the kernel to my processor flavor, it died, should I not even bother updating the kernel or just use a generic .14-2? |
| 00:01.47 | repp | for vmware, best to stick with generic I suspect. |
| 00:02.05 | Guerin | dusk: since you're already in emulation, you might as well kiss any speed boost from processor optimiation goodbye |
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| 00:03.10 | beoba | vmware does processor emulation stuff too? |
| 00:03.21 | tas-- | i'm wondering, AFAIK there's no security updates for debian's 2.6.8 released w/ sarge. Is it still safe enough to use this kernel? or should i just use vanilla tree? |
| 00:03.22 | multidex | how do you decompress a bz2 tarball? |
| 00:03.27 | repp | vmware is the leader of the pack |
| 00:03.42 | jvw | multidex: 'j' option of tar |
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| 00:04.02 | dli_ | tas-- I use vanilla kernel |
| 00:04.05 | multidex | thanks |
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| 00:05.54 | jvw | tas--: difficult tradeoff, but try http://kernel.debian.net/ for a middleway. Beware, packages over their are not yet official |
| 00:06.19 | repp | multidex: tar jxvf <name> |
| 00:06.39 | jvw | tas--: beware that newest vanilla might not work correctly with all stuff in Sarge (noteable, udev, devfs, etc) |
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| 00:06.49 | tas-- | dli_, jvw thx, i'll check kernel.debian.net |
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| 00:07.52 | multidex | what are the common switches to decompress a bz2 tarball - for example tar -jx example.tar.bz2 |
| 00:08.10 | repp | multidex: didn't we just give that to you? |
| 00:08.13 | dli_ | multidex: tar jxvf example.tar.bz2 |
| 00:08.13 | jvw | Maliuta: as repp said |
| 00:08.32 | multidex | thank you (i tried with just "j") |
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| 00:13.59 | Bogaurd | if it want to make an alias to /etc/init.d/, so that i can type something like 'app samba restart', how could i go about doing it? |
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| 00:15.08 | multidex | i just decompressed nvu-1.0 - apt-get install still doesn't "find" the package - how do I install it? |
| 00:15.14 | nevyn | Bogaurd: make a shell script called app that runs /etc/init.d/$1 $2 |
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| 00:15.40 | Bogaurd | nevyn: excellent =) i'll give it a shot. |
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| 00:16.34 | nevyn | Bogaurd: I'll now mention that I think it's a bad idea |
| 00:16.46 | Bogaurd | ...okay =\ |
| 00:17.08 | abrotman | multidex: you did what to what ? |
| 00:17.13 | nevyn | Bogaurd: it's just adding magic keywords... which is a bad thing |
| 00:17.24 | Bogaurd | nevyn: whyso? |
| 00:17.40 | abrotman | multidex: apt-get install nvu ? |
| 00:17.58 | nevyn | adding a simple layer of indirection for no good reason I can see. |
| 00:18.06 | multidex | abrotman: yes apt-get install nvu |
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| 00:18.14 | abrotman | multidex: and then you can't run it ? |
| 00:18.35 | nevyn | Bogaurd: what does it achieve beyond saving you typing /etc/init.d ? |
| 00:18.37 | multidex | abrotman: maybe i don't know how to "run" it? what would the command be? |
| 00:18.51 | abrotman | multidex: dunno ... dpkg -L nvu | grep bin ? |
| 00:18.53 | Bogaurd | nevyn: nothing. maybe my fingers hurt though? :P |
| 00:18.56 | dusk | multidex: double click on the .exe |
| 00:18.58 | nevyn | Bogaurd: what happens when someone learns to use app samba restart and goes to another machine |
| 00:19.08 | multidex | dusk: lol |
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| 00:19.15 | abrotman | multidex: shuld be nvu |
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| 00:19.20 | nevyn | Bogaurd: if you have RSI invest in a better keyboard. |
| 00:19.27 | Bogaurd | haha |
| 00:19.29 | multidex | abrotman: there is a nsnvu |
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| 00:19.43 | thingfish | happy thanksgiving, all you debian-using, turkey-eating fools. :) |
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| 00:19.54 | abrotman | multidex: i have no idea where you got that package .. apparently the sid/unstable package . the binary is called nvu |
| 00:20.08 | Bogaurd | Is it thanksgiving round about now? |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | today |
| 00:20.13 | nevyn | Bogaurd: count yourself lucky |
| 00:20.16 | dusk | right now |
| 00:20.21 | thingfish | ugh. it's almost over. |
| 00:20.22 | dusk | i ate about 20 lbs of stuffing |
| 00:20.29 | multidex | abrothman: can i install unstable when I'm "running" "stable"? |
| 00:20.29 | thingfish | all except the indigestion. |
| 00:20.30 | nevyn | Bogaurd: it's something of an occupational hazard. |
| 00:20.30 | abrotman | you're all freaks! |
| 00:20.35 | abrotman | i had a much better turkey day! |
| 00:20.35 | Bogaurd | Heh |
| 00:20.48 | dusk | abrotman: were you a #debian irc warrior today? |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | i just sat on my ass for 6 hours and played Dragon Quest VIII |
| 00:20.56 | Bogaurd | haha |
| 00:20.58 | thingfish | abrotman must've cooked for his local LUG. |
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| 00:21.04 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 00:21.31 | multidex | abrotman: i can edit my source list to include "unstable" w/o hazzard to my system? |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | thingfish: no local lug .. there's PLUG .. but i don't go |
| 00:21.49 | abrotman | multidex: not likely |
| 00:21.55 | thingfish | PLUG? |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | thingfish: Philadelphia LUG |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | thingfish: but it would be like an hour to get to meetings |
| 00:22.16 | thingfish | oh, I was thinking pennsylvania. |
| 00:22.24 | thingfish | yeah, an hour is too far. |
| 00:22.33 | thingfish | a half hour is reasonable. |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | maybe i should get Wyzard to start a Main Line LUG :) |
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| 00:29.24 | thingfish | to make conversation, I'd tell you all how horrible my sarge installation is running, but it just wouldn't be true. |
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| 00:30.16 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:30.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:31.15 | Mr_Smoke | dpkg, you own this place |
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| 00:33.17 | thingfish | dpkg comes from royalty, I hear. |
| 00:33.21 | thingfish | old blood. |
| 00:33.37 | Phated | Hear hear, old chap. |
| 00:33.42 | thingfish | :) |
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| 00:33.57 | Mr_Smoke | that's Sir dpkg to you then |
| 00:33.58 | dusk | heh, had to setup -386 to get debian to work in vmware |
| 00:34.04 | thingfish | it really doesn't have to work this hard...it could be doing lots of other things. |
| 00:34.10 | dusk | !vmware |
| 00:34.10 | dpkg | vmware is probably for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
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| 00:34.25 | thingfish | !polo |
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| 00:35.22 | thingfish | dpkg: polo is what I love more than anything else in life, except for sardines, of course. |
| 00:35.22 | dpkg | thingfish: okay |
| 00:36.02 | Tortel | !polo |
| 00:36.02 | dpkg | hmm... polo is what I love more than anything else in life, except for sardines, of course. |
| 00:36.03 | sward | polos have holes |
| 00:36.23 | Tortel | !bored |
| 00:36.23 | dpkg | it has been said that bored is something that you are when you are asking apt stupid questions like "tell me about bored", or what you are when you ask apt stupid questions like "What is bored?", or check freshmeat.net/random/, or check the debian user homepages, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or <reply> only boring people get bored |
| 00:36.31 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:36.46 | sward | dpkg: What is bored? |
| 00:36.47 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sward |
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| 00:36.51 | sward | Good |
| 00:37.02 | jayjay734 | hello, I am dying to install sarge on my machine. I have a 'great' nforce4 driver, apparently the forcedeth driver is supposed to work, but during installation sarge doesn'f find any device when probing forcedeth. From what I understood, it should work if I use the 2.6 kernel to install. but this one crashes. So, either I make the d-i 2.6 work or I compile the nforce driver for the 2.4.27-2 and give it to sarge. Tried both couldn't do it. |
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| 00:40.06 | thingfish | jayjay734: at what point does installation hang up when choosing the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 00:40.12 | fabsmad | how can I set my system to auto mount CD without using root? |
| 00:40.27 | thingfish | in sarge, in gnome, it should already. |
| 00:41.31 | jayjay734 | thingfish : immediately, il s loading vmlinuz, then initrd.gz , then prints Ready and die. I tried all the options I could find (mem=, acpi=off, ...) |
| 00:41.57 | thingfish | jayjay734: describe your hardware. |
| 00:42.14 | fabsmad | I have installed bastille, it changed some settings...now, when I insert a CD, I have to become root to mount it. |
| 00:42.22 | jayjay734 | sempron 64, asus k8n4e-deluxe(nforce4), 1gb |
| 00:42.33 | fabsmad | I'd prefer CD to auto mount...how can I do it? |
| 00:42.50 | thingfish | fabsmad: was everything working fine before you made those changesaaaaaaa/ |
| 00:42.57 | thingfish | yikes how did that happen |
| 00:43.08 | jayjay734 | what? |
| 00:43.12 | thingfish | damn touch typing lessons |
| 00:43.21 | fabsmad | thingfish: yes |
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| 00:44.05 | fabsmad | I think I have to edit fstab, but I don't know how |
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| 00:44.52 | jayjay734 | thingfish : I am installing a regular sarge (not amd64) |
| 00:45.03 | thingfish | fabsmad: if CDs automounted before you changed things, then undo the changes and see if the CD resumes operating normally. |
| 00:45.39 | thingfish | jayjay734: onto what? A new laptop/desktop? amd64 cpu or intel? |
| 00:45.49 | fabsmad | I tryed, but the Cd didn't resume operating normally |
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| 00:45.59 | thingfish | and ideally, which chipset on the motherboard. |
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| 00:46.15 | fucklinux | FUCK LINUX |
| 00:46.18 | fucklinux | FUCK LINUX |
| 00:46.21 | SniperDevil | ... |
| 00:46.23 | SniperDevil | TROLL?! |
| 00:46.36 | jayjay734 | thingfish : sorry, i didn't put your name the first time, so: sempron 64, asus k8n4e-deluxe(nforce4), 1gb new desktop |
| 00:46.43 | fabsmad | How can I edit fstab to tell my sys to auto mount CDs for every user? |
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| 00:47.33 | abrotman | gravity: you linux apologist! |
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| 00:47.37 | gravity | heh |
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| 00:48.13 | thingfish | jayjay734: I don't know how much help I can be. I have no experience with nforce motherboards. I know that the newer the hardware, the more "exciting" linux support for it can be. |
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| 00:48.25 | spoopin | fabsmad: google for automount and man fstab and search for user |
| 00:48.28 | dusk | fuck linux |
| 00:48.29 | dusk | ! |
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| 00:48.50 | thingfish | linux's holes are all too small. |
| 00:49.13 | jayjay734 | thingfish : I just had an idea, I think I can find an old ethernet card somewhere ...the installer should support it, I ll add the nforce4 driver after... thanks anyway |
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| 00:49.25 | thingfish | there you go, good luck. |
| 00:49.36 | dusk | gravity: i upgraded to sid and DRI just worked |
| 00:49.42 | gravity | dusk: Nice |
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| 00:50.09 | meriad | what package is the command "mkdir" in.. |
| 00:50.11 | meriad | is that a gnu package? |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | !tell meriad about search |
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| 00:50.55 | spoopin | abrotman: how's it been looking around here? |
| 00:50.59 | markybob | meriad: coreutils...which gets installed by default...so...you have it |
| 00:51.14 | abrotman | spoopin: asg left the channel .. for good |
| 00:51.25 | thingfish | man, that bums me out. |
| 00:51.30 | thingfish | I really hope not. |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | probably |
| 00:51.56 | thingfish | I mean, some people, you don't miss so much. But he's one of the good ones. |
| 00:52.08 | abrotman | yeah .. i could go in a blink .. and noone would notice .. |
| 00:52.13 | thingfish | oh b.s. |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | except for jair :) |
| 00:52.17 | spoopin | abrotman: when? today? |
| 00:52.32 | spoopin | abrotman: I saw him on yesterday, I think.. |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.00 | spoopin | abrotman: Wow. |
| 00:53.12 | thingfish | well, if true, it's sad, and the channel's loss. However life goes on. |
| 00:53.39 | thingfish | but it's a bummer. |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | but it's understandable |
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| 00:53.50 | beoba | why'd he leave? |
| 00:53.51 | thingfish | yes, it is in a large way. |
| 00:54.07 | spoopin | abrotman: I know he and others have been discouraged lately. He sent me a copy of the transcript from mwilson's 'departure' |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | beoba: because we have no ops .. and it turns into a room with padding from about 8am to 12pm every day |
| 00:54.27 | thingfish | exactly |
| 00:54.38 | beoba | ah |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | and that's just when i'm here .. |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | there are other times too i'm sure |
| 00:54.47 | gravity | mwilson departed? |
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| 00:54.55 | thingfish | I thought I was the only one who thought it was a little wild west in here in the a.m.s. |
| 00:54.56 | abrotman | gravity: no .. he was forced out |
| 00:55.17 | thingfish | well, no comment on that one. |
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| 00:55.56 | thingfish | he always seemed to detract, never to add. |
| 00:56.12 | gravity | eh? |
| 00:56.15 | abrotman | it depended ... but at least he would call a tard a tard |
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| 00:56.44 | danielR | how can i make something like: cp /var/www /tmp and cp to create the directory /tmp/var/www ? |
| 00:56.56 | spoopin | thingfish: detract maybe, but he knew an awful lot if people would listen |
| 00:57.19 | abrotman | and damn do i miss greycat |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | danielR: i uhm .. don't think you can |
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| 00:57.40 | spoopin | abrotman: how long has he been gone? |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | spoopin: 2-3 months ? |
| 00:57.56 | abrotman | maybe more |
| 00:58.18 | spoopin | abrotman: crap. I guess i've not been on too much myself lately. |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | spoopin: no .. i figured that butthead at your office .. what's his name .. adam .. was overworking you |
| 00:58.51 | thingfish | there's nothing wrong with calling a tard a tard, but I always got the feeling he simply /joined in order to point out fault and be generally hateful. |
| 00:59.06 | thingfish | and you just wonder, why does a person do that. |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | thingfish: but was he wrong :) |
| 00:59.14 | thingfish | it must fulfill some need. |
| 00:59.14 | Mr_Smoke | i've caught one |
| 00:59.17 | Mr_Smoke | just 5 minutes ago |
| 00:59.18 | Mr_Smoke | a tard |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | Mr_Smoke: a snipe ? |
| 00:59.20 | spoopin | abrotman: Nah.. He's just better at dividing his attention than I am. |
| 00:59.24 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:59.29 | Mr_Smoke | he's trying to explain me how he can bypass G-lines |
| 00:59.33 | Mr_Smoke | because he's ... |
| 00:59.35 | Mr_Smoke | on dynamic IP. |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | k-lines ? |
| 00:59.41 | Mr_Smoke | how leet is that. |
| 00:59.50 | Mr_Smoke | G-lines, K-lines, all of them |
| 00:59.52 | spoopin | abrotman: a morning on IRC for me is totally wasted for anything else |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:00.13 | abrotman | yay ... we're op-less again! |
| 01:00.22 | thingfish | yay. |
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| 01:00.33 | Tortel | yay! ? |
| 01:00.38 | Tortel | !? |
| 01:00.42 | thingfish | now the spanish tards will resurface. |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | Tortel: can't you smell the sarcasm ? |
| 01:00.51 | lekvar | Are there debs somewhere for the Firefox betas? |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | Tortel: i mean .. you're not that far away |
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| 01:01.01 | liable | HOLAAA! |
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| 01:01.04 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 01:01.07 | JFK11 | ola |
| 01:01.07 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7587 kB, Installed size: 21608 kB |
| 01:01.11 | thingfish | oh damn you liable |
| 01:01.25 | liable | :P |
| 01:01.27 | thingfish | scared me. |
| 01:01.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:02.17 | amphi | lightweight?? |
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| 01:02.49 | harfooz | hi all. I have a directory with .wav files in it that I want to convert to .mp3 files with lame. I have done one of the files with "lame filename.wav filename.mp3" and would like to have a script that will process all the .wav files in the directory rather than having to type out each one. But I don't know bash :-( can someone help me with what the proper command would be? |
| 01:03.10 | Mr_Smoke | "for do done" |
| 01:03.13 | dusk | heh, how can I switch between desktop rez with fluxbox/xorg |
| 01:03.14 | Mr_Smoke | that kindof stuff ? |
| 01:03.15 | JFK11 | i need help to configure alsa driver |
| 01:03.41 | dusk | JFK, module-assistant |
| 01:03.46 | harfooz | Mr_Smoke, yes. |
| 01:03.55 | JFK11 | error message is |
| 01:04.09 | Mr_Smoke | harfooz, m'afraid you'd better look up the syntax |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | harfooz: ask #bash |
| 01:04.32 | JFK11 | no kernel source on /usr/local |
| 01:04.36 | harfooz | ok |
| 01:04.51 | dusk | JFK11: you need to install the kernel source |
| 01:05.14 | dusk | JFKll: type uname -r |
| 01:05.19 | JFK11 | i don'know to install .... |
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| 01:05.30 | liable | !reference |
| 01:05.30 | dpkg | i heard reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:05.35 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 01:05.37 | amphi | dusk: xrandr perhaps |
| 01:05.37 | liable | JFK11: ^^^ read it. |
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| 01:06.42 | JFK11 | u2.4.27-2-686 |
| 01:06.54 | JFK11 | 2.4.27-2-686 dusk |
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| 01:08.07 | dusk | JFKll: it seems to me that you havent invested any time reading up on the basics of linux/debian, I highly suggest reading through the link that was just pasted. http://qref.sourceforge.net |
| 01:08.30 | JFK11 | dusk i have guide to install |
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| 01:08.39 | JFK11 | driver and i have read it |
| 01:09.09 | JFK11 | but i have error message when ./configure |
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| 01:09.32 | JFK11 | is the last alsa stable driver |
| 01:09.50 | liable | JFK11: when compiling from source, googling the actual error 90% of the time will give you your answer. |
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| 01:10.09 | EdLin | !wayc JFK11 |
| 01:10.10 | dpkg | JFK11: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:10.16 | JFK11 | ./configure --with-cards=emu10k1 --with-oss --with-sequencer --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux |
| 01:10.17 | dusk | JFKll: try installing module-assistant |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | alsa is easier with 2.6 |
| 01:10.23 | JFK11 | this is command |
| 01:10.28 | dusk | much easier |
| 01:10.28 | McCall | hello, anyone know if a program for ps/pdf -> html translation exists ? |
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| 01:10.41 | dusk | JFKll: id upgrade to a 2.6 kernel before anything else |
| 01:10.47 | JFK11 | but do not have sources on 7local |
| 01:10.57 | dusk | JFKll: you have to install them |
| 01:11.01 | JFK11 | how update to 2.6 |
| 01:11.03 | JFK11 | ?? |
| 01:11.04 | liable | JFK11: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:11.06 | harfooz | McCall, pdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format |
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| 01:11.14 | JFK11 | i have install |
| 01:11.17 | dusk | JFK11: everything you need at this time can be found through apt-cache search foo |
| 01:11.35 | harfooz | McCall, I haven't tried pdftohtml, but its description looks like what you're after. |
| 01:11.57 | McCall | harfooz: thx a lot |
| 01:12.04 | JFK11 | The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. |
| 01:12.04 | JFK11 | Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 01:12.06 | dusk | JFKll: apt-get the new kernel, boot into it, then apt-get module-assistant |
| 01:12.17 | harfooz | McCall, heck I've got some pdf's I've created here, let me try it out! |
| 01:12.25 | JFK11 | how to boot with new kernel ?? |
| 01:12.28 | dusk | JFKll: are you listening to anything we're trying to tell you? Or are you just pasting the same error over and over? |
| 01:12.30 | JFK11 | dusk ?? |
| 01:12.30 | liable | JFK11: go away and read some docs, how to install stuff with apt is one of the fundamentals of debian. |
| 01:13.19 | danielR | how can i add 2 diff outputs in a file ? like uname>x date>x and the file x should have both the uname and the date ? |
| 01:13.42 | McCall | liable: lol |
| 01:14.07 | spoopin | danielR: uname > x; date >> x |
| 01:14.08 | JFK11 | i have install new kernel with synaptic before |
| 01:14.29 | McCall | JFK11: apt-cache search kernel THEN apt-get install PKG |
| 01:14.30 | spoopin | danielR: look at the bash docs for more on the magic of redirection |
| 01:14.30 | sward | danielR: Either as spoopin said, or (uname; date) > x |
| 01:15.07 | harfooz | McCall, I've just tried it on a math test that I created here, and it does convert the pdf to html, but it loses a significant amount of formatting in the process. |
| 01:15.09 | spoopin | sward: I like your solution better :) |
| 01:15.28 | danielR | sward: thanx, verry nice format |
| 01:15.41 | McCall | harfooz: oki ^^ i think it's gonna be ok, my pdf are very simple |
| 01:15.48 | sward | I feel all the more happy now :D |
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| 01:21.01 | satHan | hey, what do you guys recommend soundcard wise for use under linux? Looking for something with optical spdif output, anything else is extra |
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| 01:23.37 | litage | i setup 9 raid devices (md0 -> 9), with sdb1 in md0, sdb5 in md1, sdb6 in md2, etc. i rebooted with md1 being the root dir, but mdadm said "no devices found for /dev/md{0,2..8}". why would sdb5 have been found for md1, but not the rest for the other md's? |
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| 01:25.04 | sward | satHan: No idea, but http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ should help you find compatible devices |
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| 01:25.31 | abrotman | !tell Lugae about root |
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| 01:28.23 | abrotman | Lugae: better |
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| 01:28.35 | Lugae | Yeah, I just got back in the house and forgot I'd su'd |
| 01:29.33 | Mr_Smoke | QUACK. |
| 01:29.39 | Mr_Smoke | sorry, had to let go of the pressure |
| 01:29.40 | sward | Baaa |
| 01:29.42 | Lugae | I'm having some issues with my mouse/udev... Anyone care to take a crack? |
| 01:29.53 | Mr_Smoke | Lugae, shoot away |
| 01:29.58 | sward | I'll take some crack |
| 01:30.03 | Lugae | :) |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | !crack sward |
| 01:30.20 | sward | \o/ |
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| 01:30.52 | Lugae | For some reason, XF86 has decided that my mouse is not on /dev/psaux |
| 01:31.11 | Lugae | When I boot, udev says that I need linux 2.6.12 to run it, but I have 2.6.6 |
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| 01:31.23 | abrotman | Lugae: it does |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | Lugae: you're running testing/unstable ? |
| 01:31.34 | Lugae | yes |
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| 01:31.41 | liable | Lugae: where did you get 2.6.6? |
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| 01:32.08 | abrotman | it was in sid .. like .. a year ago :) |
| 01:32.09 | Lugae | Uhm... I have a CD that has it on it from my original install |
| 01:32.10 | dusk | heh, are you sure? |
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| 01:32.29 | Lugae | Yes. I installed in 5/12/04 |
| 01:32.38 | dusk | time to upgrade! |
| 01:32.42 | Mr_Smoke | there was an upgrade in udev that made it dependent on >= 2.6.12 indeed |
| 01:32.47 | Lugae | I did a dist-upgrade about a month ago |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | Lugae: what is your CPU ? |
| 01:32.52 | Lugae | and again in the last few days |
| 01:33.12 | Mr_Smoke | dist upgrade won't upgrade the kernel |
| 01:33.14 | abrotman | Lugae: what is your CPU ? |
| 01:33.18 | Mr_Smoke | never did for me at least |
| 01:33.22 | Lugae | I believe it's an 800Mhz Athlon |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | Lugae: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 01:33.41 | liable | Mr_Smoke: theres a meta package that will. |
| 01:33.42 | Lugae | sweet |
| 01:34.03 | Mr_Smoke | liable, oh right, i keep forgetting about that one. reight |
| 01:34.04 | Mr_Smoke | -e |
| 01:34.38 | Lugae | speaking of this recent distupgrade the other day, most things I try to install now say that they are unauthenticated |
| 01:35.14 | sward | I'd also use /dev/input/mice instead of /dev/psaux, but I can't find the factoid that tells you that |
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| 01:35.28 | Lugae | Including this package (my sources point at ftp.au.debian.org |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | !tell Lugae about apt-secure |
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| 01:35.56 | sward | !psaux |
| 01:35.57 | dpkg | from memory, psaux is the PS/2 mouse port device name, which has been deprecated with the advent of 2.6.x, use /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouseX in its place. |
| 01:35.59 | sward | Yay! |
| 01:36.08 | Lugae | ahhh |
| 01:36.22 | Lugae | well, I'm going to install that new kernel from apt here... |
| 01:36.25 | abrotman | !tell me about poop |
| 01:36.40 | diana | I have a laptop...and I use ifplugd....So whenever I plug in a cat5e cable...if it's live...it will autosetup my network and I'll be online....How can I make it so if there is a live wap broadcasting ssid...I can auto grab that also? |
| 01:36.55 | diana | How can I see a list of waps also...and pick the one I want? |
| 01:36.58 | Lugae | I'll have to wait on those steps, because all I have right now is a command prompt, so no X windows and.. well.. lynx isn't exactly a fun experience |
| 01:37.14 | Mr_Smoke | apt-get it all :) |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | !tel Lugae about apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | !tell Lugae about apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 01:38.46 | Mr_Smoke | abrotman, you know that key by heart ? |
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| 01:39.34 | Lugae | the linux image has installed... anything else I need before I reboot? |
| 01:39.38 | liable | diana: man iwlist for seeing ap's, wpa supplicant can pick ap's on signal strength, read the docs for it. |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | Mr_Smoke: no .. /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 01:39.48 | Mr_Smoke | abrotman, phew :) |
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| 01:40.02 | Mr_Smoke | Lugae, grub stuff ? |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | the package should do it for him |
| 01:40.25 | Lugae | Actually, apparently I'm using LILO and the package set that kind of stuff up already |
| 01:40.27 | Bogaurd | i installed squid with apt-get, but cachemgr.cgi doesnt seem to be present anywhere on my system... do i need to install another package for it? |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | !find cachemgr.cgi sarge |
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| 01:41.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cachemgr.cgi' (2): (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/cachemgr.cgi) in web/squid-cgi ;; (/usr/share/webmin/squid/cachemgr.cgi) in admin/webmin-squid. |
| 01:41.19 | abrotman | Bogaurd: i assume you want the first |
| 01:41.20 | Bogaurd | abrotman: thanks =) |
| 01:41.23 | Bogaurd | yup =) |
| 01:41.26 | abrotman | !tell Bogaurd about search |
| 01:41.35 | Bogaurd | cool, thanks =) |
| 01:41.47 | sward | Lugae: Should set it up with lilo or grub, either way :) |
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| 01:43.31 | ionte_ | hi. trying to build my first deb package. i think i'm about done, but i get the error "dh_clean: I have no package to build". any hints? |
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| 01:45.56 | Lugae | worked like a charm! |
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| 01:46.20 | sward | Ah, success! |
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| 01:48.07 | man_in_shack | does the xfce4 package in debian have composite support enabled? |
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| 01:50.00 | ryanium | why does apt-get install build-essential give me errors: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev |
| 01:50.07 | ryanium | Depends: g++ but is not going to be installed |
| 01:50.11 | ryanium | E: Broken packages |
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| 01:50.54 | rixth | How do I check the syslog again? |
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| 01:51.23 | Mr_Smoke | /var/log/syslog |
| 01:51.54 | rixth | Mr_Smoke, thanks |
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| 01:52.35 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 01:52.35 | Mr_Smoke | anytime |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | ryanium: because you mixed sources |
| 01:52.39 | Mr_Smoke | baaa |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | !meep |
| 01:52.50 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 01:53.06 | robin_sz | heh |
| 01:53.41 | ryanium | abrotman, how do i go about unmixing my source? :p |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | ryanium: pick one ... |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:54.03 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 01:54.45 | robin_sz | ryanium: try adding water, poouring off the water and then evaporating it .. result the sand and salt are now seperated |
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| 01:55.04 | robin_sz | oh, thats unmixing sand and salt ... |
| 01:55.08 | robin_sz | similar ;) |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | ryanium: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 01:57.09 | sfullenwider | anybody know of a decent host for about $10 mo? Just need little web space and email, only .5gig transfer mo prolly less |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | ryanium: apt-cache show build-essential | grep -i version |
| 01:57.58 | ryanium | version: 10.1 |
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| 01:58.06 | abrotman | !info build-essential sarge |
| 01:58.09 | JFK11 | i have try 2.6 kernel with debian |
| 01:58.14 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 01:58.25 | abrotman | ryanium: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:58.30 | dvs | JFK11: You want to or you did? |
| 01:58.31 | JFK11 | but i have a kernel panic |
| 01:58.50 | ryanium | ii libc6 2.3.5-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | ryanium: that's not from sarge |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 01:59.13 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 01:59.16 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (sid), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | ryanium: is this a workstation ? |
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| 01:59.30 | ryanium | nope just my laptop lol |
| 01:59.48 | abrotman | ryanium: well .. you're running at least part of etch ... would you like to upgrade the rest of the way ? :) |
| 01:59.57 | ryanium | hell might as well lol |
| 02:00.04 | JFK11 | what dvs ?? |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | !tell ryanium about sarge->etch |
| 02:00.53 | ryanium | what exactly is etch |
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| 02:01.08 | liable | !releases |
| 02:01.08 | dpkg | somebody said releases was see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | ryanium: the current codename for testing |
| 02:01.27 | ryanium | i don't want to be a test dummy ;) |
| 02:01.39 | abrotman | ryanium: i'm running it now on my laptop |
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| 02:01.47 | ryanium | awesome lets do it! lol |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | ryanium: stuff will break sometimes |
| 02:02.26 | abrotman | though .. your system is .. kind of broken now :) |
| 02:02.31 | gr8ron | ryanium: its a version of debian which is most insecure, because there are no security updates |
| 02:02.34 | dli_ | I couldn't unmount my usb-hdd, "umount /dev/sda2" umount: /mnt/floppy: device is busy |
| 02:03.15 | abrotman | !testing securityu |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 02:03.16 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
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| 02:03.21 | liable | dli_: so make it unbusy. are cd'd into it? |
| 02:03.22 | abrotman | gr8ron: you were saying ? :) |
| 02:03.30 | gr8ron | abrotman: when did this happen? |
| 02:03.48 | gr8ron | Not Found |
| 02:03.48 | gr8ron | The requested URL /dists/testing/updates/, was not found on this server. |
| 02:03.54 | gr8ron | http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, |
| 02:03.59 | dli_ | liable: I couldn't find anything like cd on it :( quite often, lsof found nothing |
| 02:03.59 | gr8ron | oh, there was , |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | gr8ron: read the rest of the factoid .. and take the comma off |
| 02:04.09 | SimonRaven | Hydroxide: :) |
| 02:04.18 | liable | dli_: fuser ? |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | holy crap .. it's an op! |
| 02:04.32 | dvs | where? |
| 02:04.43 | Hydroxide | dvs: I'm one. |
| 02:04.48 | dli_ | liable: fuser /mnt/floppy , nothing |
| 02:05.03 | Mr_Smoke | Ni ! |
| 02:05.10 | Hydroxide | abrotman: is one needed? I have actually been away from IRC the last few hours (Thanksgiving, you know) |
| 02:05.13 | gr8ron | abrotman: ok.. thats a good improvement |
| 02:05.27 | Mr_Smoke | hours away from IRC ... ??? |
| 02:05.29 | dli_ | liable: could there be some way to safely force umount it? |
| 02:05.29 | Mr_Smoke | *shock* |
| 02:05.35 | Mr_Smoke | i didn't know that was even possilbe |
| 02:05.35 | Hydroxide | SimonRaven: hi there. long time no chat. |
| 02:05.40 | Mr_Smoke | 'cept for sleep |
| 02:05.45 | abrotman | Hydroxide: no ... it's more a general comment about the lack of ops :) |
| 02:05.49 | Hydroxide | abrotman: ah :) |
| 02:05.54 | dvs | Mr_Smoke: It was possible. You should have been here about 9 hours ago |
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| 02:06.04 | abrotman | Hydroxide: nothing personal |
| 02:06.04 | Hydroxide | I am a pretty inactive op as far as #debian ops go, but I do help out occasionally |
| 02:06.10 | Mr_Smoke | dvs, ah well, that was when I was away for sleep :p |
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| 02:06.38 | Mr_Smoke | being an op can suck sometimes ... |
| 02:06.47 | Mr_Smoke | yep, it can. |
| 02:06.58 | Hydroxide | Mr_Smoke: hehe. I'm not an IRC op, only a chanop |
| 02:07.08 | Mr_Smoke | lucky you. |
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| 02:07.15 | Hydroxide | Mr_Smoke: so, no k-line power for me |
| 02:07.20 | Mr_Smoke | i'm a nobody here, but i've got my worries elsewhere :) |
| 02:07.27 | Mr_Smoke | plenty of them, too. |
| 02:07.35 | SimonRaven | Hydroxide: yeh, doing ok? |
| 02:07.37 | Hydroxide | ya, I can imagine |
| 02:07.57 | Mr_Smoke | the french are an awful lot to moderate on IRC |
| 02:08.00 | Mr_Smoke | especially young ones |
| 02:08.03 | Hydroxide | SimonRaven: yup. busy with academic life, as well as doing SPI treasurer stuff, etc. |
| 02:08.23 | liable | dli_: famd running? |
| 02:08.26 | SimonRaven | oh yeh, heh. that's cool |
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| 02:09.03 | Hydroxide | Mr_Smoke: les jeunes de n'importe quelle nationalité sont difficiles à modérer :) |
| 02:09.35 | Mr_Smoke | Hydroxide, hehe, wais mais bon, les frenchies c'est pas les plus faciles j'ai l'impression ;) |
| 02:09.36 | abrotman | !kill jabber.org |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. it's already dead! |
| 02:09.57 | litage | abrotman: not happy with jabber.org? |
| 02:09.57 | Mr_Smoke | anyways |
| 02:10.00 | dvs | Mr_Smoke: pourquoi? |
| 02:10.02 | quitte | is kernel-image 2.6.12 and headers still available somewhere? i cant get ltmodem to work with 2.6.14 |
| 02:10.02 | deadcat | me or internet connection is bad? |
| 02:10.09 | SimonRaven | whoah a new xkeycaps for debian |
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| 02:10.21 | abrotman | litage: it's really sad when your friend has root access .. and you can't get him via jabber to tell him to sighup it :) |
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| 02:10.27 | deadcat | SimonRaven: what that does? |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | litage: i have others .. but most people have that one |
| 02:10.30 | Mr_Smoke | dvs, dunno, must be something to do with the latin background or so ... latin people seem to have .. erm .. a problem with authority :) |
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| 02:10.39 | SimonRaven | Hydroxide: j'avais oublie que tu parlais francais =) |
| 02:10.51 | deadcat | nevermind |
| 02:10.54 | SimonRaven | deadcat: makes xmodmap files |
| 02:11.11 | ajkroll | Mr_Smoke: where's Mr_Mirrors? |
| 02:11.13 | deadcat | me or internet connection is bad? |
| 02:11.18 | Mr_Smoke | ajkroll, never heard of him, why ? |
| 02:11.22 | dvs | Mr_Smoke: We had a Spanish flu a few hours ago. |
| 02:11.35 | ajkroll | Mr_Smoke: that was supposedta be a joke :-) |
| 02:11.35 | litage | abrotman: what do you mean by "can't get him" and "i have others .. but most people have that one"? |
| 02:11.37 | Mr_Smoke | dvs, well i must admit, it can't be worse than italians ;) |
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| 02:11.48 | Mr_Smoke | ajkroll, ah well sorry i didn't get it :p way too tired for that apparently :p |
| 02:11.55 | robin_sz | ajkroll: hes accompanying Mr Fire on a fishing expidition |
| 02:12.00 | Mr_Smoke | SimonRaven, darn, how many french speakers are there lurking in here :p |
| 02:12.04 | ajkroll | eheh |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | litage: how can i tell him via jabber that jabberd on jabber.org took a shit :) and most of the people i talk to on jabber have my jabber.org account |
| 02:12.29 | litage | ah |
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| 02:12.45 | SimonRaven | that's what i learned as a baby. i should've learned other stuff, but that isn't my mom's fault |
| 02:12.48 | Mr_Smoke | yay, more frenchies |
| 02:13.01 | Mr_Smoke | (well, one more, or so it seems) |
| 02:13.13 | litage | abrotman: however, being pedantic, your analogy of "took a shit" doesn't really make sense, as taking a shit is equivalent to expelling unneeded waste, as opposed to dying or crashing |
| 02:13.16 | robin_sz | Mr_Smoke: mon aeroglisser est plein des anguilles |
| 02:13.20 | Hydroxide | SimonRaven: ouais, je l'ai étudié pendant sept ans au lycée, et encore pendant un an à l'uni |
| 02:13.25 | Elly | I hear the proverbial gibson runs debian ;O |
| 02:13.32 | SimonRaven | ah ok |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | litage: do you want me to kick your ass ? |
| 02:13.42 | Mr_Smoke | robin_sz, i don't know where you got that from, but it doesn't mean much to me ;) |
| 02:13.46 | sward | abrotman: :( -- if jabber.org takes shits, what does jabber.org.uk do? Turn its guts on the floor? |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | sward: dunno .. i don't use it |
| 02:13.59 | Fluten | i am using setmixer to set my volumes. it will only set the volumes of my front set of speakers, so i get lots of noise on my back speakers from not being able to mute anything. how can i set the volumes of all my speakers? |
| 02:14.03 | litage | abrotman: from across the globe? definitely! |
| 02:14.07 | sward | abrotman: Neither do I :) |
| 02:14.13 | sward | For good reason |
| 02:14.27 | robin_sz | Mr_Smoke: je ne acheterai pas les disque, il est defectif |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | the kids that were running jabber.org were running debian/testing .. for about a year . with no updates |
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| 02:14.52 | Mr_Smoke | robin_sz, google ain't *that* good a French speaker, you know ;) |
| 02:15.06 | robin_sz | oh quand meme |
| 02:15.12 | SimonRaven | robin_sz: uh, what? |
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| 02:15.32 | SimonRaven | hm, methinks i need to do some slapd tweaking |
| 02:15.33 | Mr_Smoke | SimonRaven, i liked the part about the hovercraft full of eels :) |
| 02:15.41 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 02:16.23 | litage | when adding a drive/partition to a RAID device, does it matter if the drive/partition already has a FS?: mdadm: /dev/sdb1 appears to contain an ext2fs file system |
| 02:16.40 | SimonRaven | it was certainly strange ;) |
| 02:16.44 | dvs | litage: It shouldn't. The RAID should rebuilt the drive. |
| 02:16.57 | dvs | litage: What RAID are you using? 1? 5? |
| 02:17.06 | robin_sz | by now .. |
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| 02:17.07 | cwood | Webcam question, having already read what dpkg refers me to. Logitech Quickcam 4000, anybody else getting the grey screen problem? I've just plugged it back in after weeks ago having that model work, and suddenly it's only capturing grey. |
| 02:17.21 | konfuzed | hey im trying to get an unstable vs that is like release candidate 5 or something. but I cant seem to find how to specify the usntable branch with apt-get or apt-cache |
| 02:17.42 | litage | dvs: i'm creating a [degraded] RAID device. this is the first of a 2-drive RAID-1 device |
| 02:17.46 | abrotman | konfuzed: -t ? |
| 02:17.48 | konfuzed | how do I get a debian pkg that is listed as unstable |
| 02:17.57 | Mr_Smoke | ask politely ? |
| 02:17.58 | konfuzed | i tried -t unstable |
| 02:18.10 | dvs | litage: Oh. So there's nothing to save? |
| 02:18.25 | litage | dvs: not sure what you're asking |
| 02:18.39 | cwood | konfuzed: see 'man sources.list' |
| 02:18.43 | sward | konfuzed: It should be in you /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:18.46 | abrotman | and pinning .. |
| 02:18.47 | sward | pah |
| 02:18.48 | dvs | litage: The RAID doesn't exist yet? |
| 02:19.14 | litage | dvs: no |
| 02:19.39 | cwood | litage: do you care about anything that might already be on said disks? |
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| 02:19.41 | dvs | litage: I'd repartition the drive then |
| 02:20.06 | litage | i can lose the data on the partition that i'm adding to the RAID device |
| 02:20.22 | konfuzed | apt-get -t gives me the usage listig which does not have -t on their |
| 02:20.46 | liable | !tell konfuzed about pinning |
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| 02:21.31 | litage | dvs: that won't remove the FS though |
| 02:21.41 | jonesy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.41 | jonesy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.46 | jonesy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.55 | litage | jonesy: what are the permissions? |
| 02:22.00 | dvs | litage: Yes, it will. |
| 02:22.10 | Mr_Smoke | wasn't Weaver's cat named jonesy in Alien ? |
| 02:22.13 | jonesy | I can't even see the files when I run ls |
| 02:22.25 | jonesy | Mr_Smoke : no idea :) |
| 02:22.28 | thingfish | Mr_Smoke: sounds right to me. |
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| 02:22.46 | litage | dvs: deleting all partitions and then adding them again will remove the FS from each partition? |
| 02:22.46 | ralf | glibc has the latest version in testing (2.3.5-8) |
| 02:22.50 | Mr_Smoke | thought as much? |
| 02:22.51 | ralf | wow! |
| 02:22.52 | jonesy | I'm using reiserfs, but the same thing happened with ext3 |
| 02:22.55 | Mr_Smoke | -?+. |
| 02:22.59 | SimonRaven | nicknamed, i think it was jones tout court the cat's name |
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| 02:23.03 | deadcat_ | how do i fix this problem: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/apt |
| 02:23.12 | sward | dvs: Technically, re-partitioning won't remove a filesystem, it will just overwrite at partition boundaries |
| 02:23.20 | Mr_Smoke | SimonRaven, probably. must see it again soon then :p |
| 02:23.27 | litage | deadcat: there's no problem in your message |
| 02:23.39 | SimonRaven | not too sure, been a while too ;) |
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| 02:24.04 | dvs | litage: Do you want one big partition for your RAID? |
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| 02:24.43 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: you have problem upgrading or install pkg on your ppc? |
| 02:25.07 | Mr_Smoke | SimonRaven, got the whole 9DVD luxury set for xmas last year :) |
| 02:25.09 | litage | dvs: no |
| 02:25.11 | SimonRaven | no |
| 02:25.19 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 02:25.26 | gregorovius | has anyone experienced trouble when mounting a gmailfs as root and trying to access it as a user? |
| 02:25.40 | dvs | litage: Is the drive already set up the way you want the RAID drive to look like? |
| 02:25.43 | sward | gregorovius: Nope |
| 02:26.05 | sward | gregorovius: and that has *nothing* to do with me not attempting such a thing at all :) |
| 02:26.16 | Mr_Smoke | gregorovius, no i've had trouble mounting gmailfs, final. |
| 02:26.19 | deadcat_ | could libbz2 cause dpkg to break? during unpacking? |
| 02:26.27 | Mr_Smoke | never quite got round to doing it properly |
| 02:26.34 | gregorovius | sward: I can mount a gmailfs either as a user or as root |
| 02:26.36 | Mr_Smoke | it keeps saying "no messages found" |
| 02:26.37 | litage | dvs: yes |
| 02:26.45 | Mr_Smoke | ruddy annoying too, if you ask me |
| 02:26.46 | gregorovius | sward: but if I mount it as a user, then I can only unmount it as root |
| 02:26.59 | gregorovius | sward: and if I mount it as root, I can't access it as a user |
| 02:27.01 | dvs | litage: Then just add it to the RAID as the first drive. Then attach the second drive and build it from the first. |
| 02:27.21 | dvs | litage: You want RAID 1 right? |
| 02:27.25 | litage | yes |
| 02:27.36 | dvs | litage: Then that's what you need to do. |
| 02:27.45 | SimonRaven | deadcat_: was ok here |
| 02:27.57 | SimonRaven | i just updated on 2 arches |
| 02:28.12 | SimonRaven | (and 3 machines) |
| 02:28.14 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: hmm. i dont know whats broken then |
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| 02:28.20 | litage | dvs: when i add it to the RAID device, this question comes up. does it matter?: mdadm: /dev/sdb1 appears to contain an ext2fs file system Continue creating array? |
| 02:28.40 | dvs | litage: /dev/sdb1 is the second drive? |
| 02:29.06 | litage | dvs: sdb1 contains /boot and will be md0 |
| 02:29.13 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: subprocess rm cleanup killed by signal (Illegal instruction) whats this mean? |
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| 02:29.33 | fevoldj2 | Hi, I am having trouble finding the php5-mcyrpt package =\ |
| 02:29.37 | sward | gregorovius: I never "experienced trouble when mounting a gmailfs as root and trying to access it as a user" because I have never attempted "mounting a gmailfs as root and trying to access it as a user" -- You can safely ignore me as being an unhelpful little prick :) |
| 02:29.46 | fevoldj2 | Is there another place to find it, because it is not in the repos. |
| 02:29.51 | SimonRaven | eh. try again. maybe some random murphy effect |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | fevoldj2: apt-cache search ? |
| 02:29.59 | litage | fevoldj2: "php5-mcyrpt" is mispelled |
| 02:30.01 | gregorovius | sward: haha, sorry |
| 02:30.15 | fevoldj2 | I meant php5-mcrypt |
| 02:30.17 | fevoldj2 | It's not there. |
| 02:30.20 | litage | fevoldj2: try ``apt-cache search php5 | grep crypt'' |
| 02:30.21 | sward | No, no need to apologise :) |
| 02:30.22 | fevoldj2 | Sorry, I'm kind of tired. |
| 02:30.30 | Mr_Smoke | not to worry |
| 02:30.34 | Mr_Smoke | it's 3am after all |
| 02:30.38 | fevoldj2 | It's not in there though. |
| 02:30.39 | Mr_Smoke | (well, CET) |
| 02:30.41 | Mr_Smoke | ah |
| 02:30.49 | Mr_Smoke | shh, i was offering an easy excuse |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | fevoldj2: maybe there's a good reason .. perhaps contact the maintainer of the php4-mcrypt package and ask why |
| 02:30.53 | dvs | litage: That sound like there is already a drive on the RAID. |
| 02:30.56 | litage | fevoldj2: search packages.debian.org |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | litage: it's not in sid .. i just checked |
| 02:31.05 | deadcat_ | oh. when i rm a, i get Illegal instruction. hd problem? |
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| 02:31.23 | SimonRaven | possibly. |
| 02:31.29 | SimonRaven | could be something else |
| 02:31.29 | deadcat_ | or core-util is fucked |
| 02:31.31 | litage | dvs: /proc/mdstat lists nothing |
| 02:31.33 | deadcat_ | i can unlink a |
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| 02:32.05 | SimonRaven | so unlink() works, but not rm |
| 02:32.10 | deadcat_ | ya |
| 02:32.16 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 02:32.22 | deadcat_ | rm gives illegal instruction |
| 02:32.34 | dvs | litage: Then add the drive |
| 02:32.45 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: laptop. |
| 02:33.09 | sward | gregorovius: Check the mount options for gmailfs, is there a 'uid' option? With vfat filesystems, for example, if you mounted as root, but wanted the user with ID 1000 to have full access, you would add 'uid=1000' to the options |
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| 02:33.25 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: cksum 2811551435 38440 /bin/rm |
| 02:33.25 | SimonRaven | fetch coreutils and unpack it a la ar p |
| 02:33.36 | SimonRaven | ppc sid? |
| 02:33.39 | deadcat_ | ya |
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| 02:34.09 | SimonRaven | 3335529911 38440 /bin/rm |
| 02:34.20 | gregorovius | sward: is that the 'umask=foo' in fstab? |
| 02:34.31 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: interesting |
| 02:34.35 | SimonRaven | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38K 2005-11-16 14:01 /bin/rm |
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| 02:35.57 | SimonRaven | dpkg -x coreutils_5.93-5_powerpc.deb tmp |
| 02:35.57 | blunted | how do i change my resolution |
| 02:36.03 | deadcat_ | ya |
| 02:36.10 | SimonRaven | cksum tmp/bin/rm; 3335529911 38440 tmp/bin/rm |
| 02:36.21 | SimonRaven | your is fucked ;) |
| 02:36.21 | litage | what does "md" stand for in terms of RAID? |
| 02:36.23 | blunted | because i know it goes bigger than 640x480 |
| 02:36.24 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: fucking -i option |
| 02:36.27 | SimonRaven | yours* |
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| 02:36.59 | gregorovius | could anyone clarify what 'umount: /media/foo mount disagrees with the fstab' means, please? |
| 02:37.03 | dvs | blunted: in X? |
| 02:37.08 | blunted | yes |
| 02:37.26 | dvs | blunted: <CTRL><ALT><Numpad +> |
| 02:37.28 | sward | gregorovius: umask determines what the restrictions are on files on the device: umask=0022 says the owner isn't restricted (0), while the group, or anyone else, can not write (2); uid should set the owner, gid should set the group |
| 02:37.41 | blunted | no |
| 02:37.52 | blunted | it only allows 640x40 |
| 02:37.53 | blunted | er |
| 02:37.56 | blunted | 480 |
| 02:38.02 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: rm problem.. just dont know what. i can rm a fine. but rm -i a gives illegal instruction |
| 02:38.06 | blunted | like i even reconfigured it |
| 02:38.13 | blunted | and it still doesnt change |
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| 02:38.19 | SimonRaven | reinstall the package |
| 02:38.36 | dvs | blunted: That usually means that the monitor frequencies are wrong. |
| 02:38.40 | sfullenwider | What's the most appropriate place for a personal website? .com, .net, or .org? |
| 02:38.45 | jonesy | are there commands for getting reiserfs to a consistent state before snapshotting, like you can do with xfs_freeze for XFS? |
| 02:38.47 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: dpkg -i or what? |
| 02:38.56 | pureone | .name |
| 02:39.03 | SimonRaven | deadcat_: apt-get --reinstall install |
| 02:39.11 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: since apt and dpkg will launch rm |
| 02:39.13 | SimonRaven | you should know this ;) |
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| 02:39.50 | SimonRaven | ok, so -d (download-only) then unpack it with ar |
| 02:39.51 | lethias | Anyone ran into the problem of the swap not unmounting during shutdown or restart. |
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| 02:40.08 | lethias | using sarge with kernel 2.6 |
| 02:40.12 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: never used ar before (= |
| 02:40.42 | kingsley_ | deadcat_: Have you considered trying "strace rm -i a"? |
| 02:40.44 | SimonRaven | @unpack a .dev with ar is <reply> ar p thefile.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx |
| 02:40.45 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
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| 02:40.51 | SimonRaven | dammit |
| 02:41.02 | deadcat_ | kingsley_: let me |
| 02:41.05 | SimonRaven | @forget unpack a .dev with ar |
| 02:41.06 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: i forgot unpack a .dev with ar |
| 02:41.15 | blunted | so dvs how do i fix it |
| 02:41.18 | SimonRaven | @unpack a .deb with ar is <reply> ar p thefile.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx |
| 02:41.19 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 02:41.28 | dvs | !drxx blunted |
| 02:41.29 | dpkg | blunted: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:41.36 | dvs | put in the right frequencies |
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| 02:41.42 | deadcat_ | kingsley_: no strace |
| 02:41.47 | blunted | i dunno the right frequencies |
| 02:41.55 | SimonRaven | kingsley_: he already knows it's fucked why bother with strace? |
| 02:42.05 | dvs | blunted: what monitor is it? |
| 02:42.15 | blunted | its a HP 71 |
| 02:42.23 | blunted | i guess |
| 02:42.33 | blunted | those are the only things written on it |
| 02:42.33 | dvs | blunted: I'd look it up on Google. |
| 02:42.43 | deadcat_ | !ar |
| 02:42.43 | dpkg | i guess ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 02:43.06 | kingsley_ | deadcat_: When did rm first start reporting illegal instruction? |
| 02:43.11 | SimonRaven | @unpack a .deb with ar is also once you've done this, you'll need to properly install the .deb, otherwise the package management system will be out of sync |
| 02:43.11 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 02:43.22 | deadcat_ | kingsley_: just today when i apt-get upgrade |
| 02:43.44 | nar | I have a problem with MTU negotiation not working between two firewalls running Debian 2.4 kernels and shorewall. Can anyone point me to a resourse that would help me diagnose my problem? |
| 02:43.46 | deadcat_ | let me reboot the laptop see what happen. crazy lately |
| 02:43.53 | kingsley_ | deadcat_: Did you upgrade to unstable? |
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| 02:44.03 | SimonRaven | i don't think that's going to matter deadcat_ |
| 02:44.13 | ts2 | Is there something like lsisa ? I'd like to know if I'm using ISA now |
| 02:44.13 | deadcat_ | kingsley_: been in sid for a long time |
| 02:44.34 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: last time the /home partition was suddenly in ro only (= |
| 02:44.44 | SimonRaven | ran fsck? |
| 02:45.06 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: during bootup? ya. |
| 02:45.19 | ts2 | How can I tell if I have ISA? |
| 02:45.33 | diana | When I have a huge .tar.gz file...and I just want one specific file from in tarball...how can I search through it with a gui? |
| 02:45.57 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: ok i have /forcefsck and gonna reboot and see what up |
| 02:46.01 | SimonRaven | you don't need a gui for that, just extra overhead |
| 02:46.39 | SimonRaven | diana: ^^^, also, tar takes options after the file to be unarchived, that indicates which file(s) you want |
| 02:47.03 | SimonRaven | i suppose you could use the gnome or kde thingys.. |
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| 02:48.51 | Lugae | So I've not upgraded to Linux 2.6.12 with udev... Where is my sound device if it's not /dev/dsp? |
| 02:49.08 | dvs | Lugae: ALSA or OSS? |
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| 02:49.18 | sward | 'tar -ztvf $file | less' or maybe 'tar -ztvf $file | grep blah' -- not exactly a GUI, but searching through the archive |
| 02:49.19 | Lugae | I honestly don't know |
| 02:49.20 | blunted | dvs, do i have to restart for the changes to work? |
| 02:49.39 | dvs | blunted: You shouldn't have to. |
| 02:49.44 | blunted | hm |
| 02:49.56 | SimonRaven | don't need v with t |
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| 02:50.19 | blunted | i try to ctrl+alt + |
| 02:50.23 | blunted | and it doesn't do anything |
| 02:50.30 | SimonRaven | keypad + |
| 02:50.35 | blunted | i know |
| 02:50.39 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 02:50.52 | dvs | SimonRaven: He didn't have the right monitor frequencies |
| 02:51.00 | blunted | but i do now |
| 02:51.06 | SimonRaven | figures ;p |
| 02:51.14 | dvs | blunted: Oh. In that case, restart X |
| 02:51.23 | blunted | how? |
| 02:51.24 | Hydroxide | SimonRaven: so what have you been up to? |
| 02:51.26 | blunted | logout/in? |
| 02:51.28 | blunted | or what |
| 02:51.37 | dvs | blunted: that'll work. |
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| 02:51.54 | blunted | cant i just press like ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 02:51.58 | blunted | or something similar |
| 02:52.09 | dvs | blunted: worth a shot. |
| 02:52.25 | SimonRaven | Hydroxide: singing, working on bicycles, syadm, package building, running my half of the household, ... the usual =) |
| 02:52.25 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: most partitions have few% non-contaguous |
| 02:52.41 | SimonRaven | won't matter much |
| 02:53.08 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: ? |
| 02:53.31 | SimonRaven | the non-contiguous bits, doesn't matter very much |
| 02:53.47 | deadcat | oh |
| 02:55.06 | SimonRaven | Hydroxide: lately i've been doing a lot of blog post moving. fetching my older posts out of the mysql db, into my new setup |
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| 02:58.41 | Mr_Smoke | sleep & |
| 02:58.50 | SimonRaven | @tell blunted -about root |
| 02:58.53 | SimonRaven | g'night |
| 02:58.58 | Mr_Smoke | nite ;) |
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| 02:59.33 | Jmax | i am about to switch from gentoo to debian... all i need is a burnt copy of the net install disc? do i need any sort of guide? |
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| 02:59.52 | dvs | Jmax: Reading the install guide would be a good idea. |
| 02:59.55 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 02:59.55 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 03:00.09 | Jmax | thanks |
| 03:00.11 | dvs | woody? |
| 03:00.26 | ts2 | How can I see if I'm using ISA? |
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| 03:01.13 | Hydroxide | SimonRaven: nice. (re what you're doing) sorry the conversation's so spread out in time ... I'm both tired and also reading planet debian in preparation to go to sleep :) |
| 03:01.18 | blunted | ok |
| 03:01.24 | blunted | so i kinda fixed it |
| 03:01.29 | SimonRaven | ah |
| 03:01.31 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 03:01.35 | blunted | but all the resolutions are still not working |
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| 03:01.51 | blunted | it only goes to 800x600 |
| 03:05.02 | Jmax | does debian netinstall disc come with fdisk to partition the drive? |
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| 03:05.20 | dvs | Jmax: yes |
| 03:05.24 | blunted | it does partitions |
| 03:05.26 | blunted | yeh |
| 03:05.33 | Jmax | okay, thanks |
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| 03:07.34 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ok. the coreutils 5.93-5 in sid is somewhat broken. i cp'ed the rm from testing and just upgraded the system |
| 03:08.33 | SimonRaven | weird. i had no such problem |
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| 03:08.48 | deadcat | SimonRaven: same version? |
| 03:08.57 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 03:09.13 | deadcat | my hd problem maybe |
| 03:09.17 | SimonRaven | 21:35 SimonRaven : dpkg -x coreutils_5.93-5_powerpc.deb tmp |
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| 03:09.28 | deadcat | hmm |
| 03:10.26 | SimonRaven | afk |
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| 03:12.58 | samuel | anyone know of a program like glade but not glade? |
| 03:14.03 | samuel | anyone alive here? |
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| 03:14.40 | deadcat | no |
| 03:14.56 | samuel | i see |
| 03:15.13 | samuel | its aughly quiet for #debian no? |
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| 03:15.38 | psychonate | maybe #debian ate too much turkey |
| 03:15.52 | deadcat | yes |
| 03:16.17 | samuel | everyone here is american? |
| 03:16.22 | dvs | nope |
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| 03:16.29 | deadcat | yes |
| 03:16.39 | dvs | deadcat: how do you know? ;-) |
| 03:16.55 | deadcat | dvs: no what? |
| 03:17.02 | psychonate | dvs, just claim to be an American. We'll probably invade you eventually anyway |
| 03:17.07 | dvs | deadcat: Everyone here is American. |
| 03:17.08 | psychonate | resistance is futile heh |
| 03:17.15 | dvs | ahahahha |
| 03:17.18 | deadcat | psychonate: hahah nice |
| 03:17.23 | samuel | hahahaha |
| 03:17.25 | dvs | I think it's too late already. |
| 03:17.34 | samuel | so any programs like glade but not glade? |
| 03:17.38 | deadcat | psychonate: we dont use the word invade no more (=. |
| 03:17.45 | psychonate | haha indeed |
| 03:17.55 | samuel | deadcat, you use "assimilate" |
| 03:17.57 | psychonate | We will probably "assimilate" you then... |
| 03:18.02 | samuel | hahahaha |
| 03:18.03 | psychonate | oh my |
| 03:18.05 | psychonate | scary |
| 03:18.06 | deadcat | psychonate: liberating (= |
| 03:18.14 | psychonate | oh, yes, forgot that one |
| 03:18.15 | dvs | Ok Beavis |
| 03:18.19 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 03:21.31 | tomiq | Hi can anyone kick me some point forward? I forgot the name of a partition making program... thanx |
| 03:21.46 | dvs | tomiq: which one? |
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| 03:21.52 | samuel | anyone know where debian stores the menu files? |
| 03:22.20 | tomiq | don't know... some... I bouught new SATAII... |
| 03:22.25 | deadcat | samuel: dpkg -L menu |
| 03:22.42 | gregorovius | tomiq: parted or qtparted for a graphical frontend |
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| 03:22.49 | deadcat | fdisk |
| 03:22.58 | samuel | deadcat, the gnome menu .files? |
| 03:23.00 | tomiq | console stylish? |
| 03:23.10 | samuel | nm, found them, thx |
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| 03:23.41 | kids | Can debian write to ntsf? |
| 03:24.01 | tomiq | or ... more complicated quest... move linux root tree somewhere else... maybe to the new one.. |
| 03:24.11 | dvs | kids: No |
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| 03:24.13 | tomiq | kids: project captive fs... |
| 03:24.30 | tomiq | dvs: yes |
| 03:24.32 | deadcat | kids: can you do that with linux? |
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| 03:25.14 | dvs | tomiq: not recommended though |
| 03:25.28 | deadcat | internet is slowing like a whore |
| 03:25.35 | tomiq | really recommanded... :) |
| 03:25.51 | tomiq | dvs: only one you can write ntfs... |
| 03:25.59 | tomiq | with |
| 03:26.53 | kids | so no matter what? cant do it? |
| 03:26.55 | tomiq | dvs: it uses windows libraries with wine modification... so the effect should be the same as with windows use.. |
| 03:27.16 | tomiq | supose so |
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| 03:27.28 | kids | but its not easy... |
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| 03:27.40 | kids | ok, next question |
| 03:28.07 | tomiq | it should perform the task easily... |
| 03:28.10 | kids | my debian is freshly installed, and im clueless |
| 03:28.13 | deadcat | my connection is slower than a 14k modem |
| 03:28.39 | deadcat | kids: stop whining |
| 03:28.54 | kids | ouch |
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| 03:29.22 | tomiq | deadcat: or ... more complicated quest... move linux root tree somewhere else... (new disk). |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | !captive ntfs |
| 03:29.46 | deadcat | tomiq: ? |
| 03:29.47 | abrotman | hrm |
| 03:29.56 | abrotman | !captiventfs |
| 03:29.56 | dpkg | from memory, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 03:29.59 | Vooloo | I'm so lost in the wireless jungle, anyone that can recommend what products to buy that is compatible? I need a wireless card, repeater and a station, I think is all. |
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| 03:30.10 | drcode | hi all |
| 03:30.16 | abrotman | Vooloo: madwifi.sf.net and prism54.org |
| 03:30.22 | drcode | any one can help me with static route and dhcp |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | Vooloo: or find one with a native driver |
| 03:30.46 | tomiq | deadcat: so little space on linux root partition... so big and fast new disk I want to use... |
| 03:30.46 | drcode | i use dhcp client to connect to internet in one interface, in the other one I use it for my local lan |
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| 03:31.10 | drcode | now I add static route , but mybe bcz dhcp client it gone after 10 min |
| 03:31.12 | deadcat | drcode: man route |
| 03:31.14 | Vooloo | abrotman: is the card all I need to care about? will it matter what repeater and station I buy? |
| 03:31.20 | drcode | how I can fix it |
| 03:31.36 | drcode | my route work perfect |
| 03:31.42 | abrotman | Vooloo: well .. hopefully they're both spec compliant .. |
| 03:31.50 | drcode | the only problem that it gone after 10 min |
| 03:31.58 | drcode | someone told me its bcz dhcpclient |
| 03:32.43 | Vooloo | abrotman: know a site where I can find recommends of such products too? |
| 03:32.47 | drcode | I cant use both |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | Vooloo: i just told you two of them |
| 03:32.54 | drcode | dhcp client and static route? |
| 03:33.44 | Vooloo | abrotman: I mean for repeaters and stand alone stuff.. |
| 03:34.03 | abrotman | Vooloo: netgear/dlink/etc ? |
| 03:34.22 | Vooloo | abrotman: yeah, there are so many, I'd just like if there is a site that weeds out the crap |
| 03:34.34 | Vooloo | a reliable review site maybe |
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| 03:34.49 | AceB747 | can someone help me find the driver for my ethernet? |
| 03:35.06 | deadcat | ZyDAS chipset usb cards are ok too. (= |
| 03:35.30 | AceB747 | i am trying to install debian and it cannot detect my ethernet |
| 03:35.48 | deadcat | AceB747: you have a really shitty nic card then |
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| 03:36.15 | gteppel | This may sound like a silly question, but I don't know much about wifi techonlogy. Is it possible to connect to a wireless device that is using wifi? For example my wired box is connect to a wirless router that has four wired connections also. My wife has her ibook and I'd like to connect to it from my wired desktop. Is this even possible? |
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| 03:36.41 | AceB747 | deadcat, actually it is an onboard nic on an asus k8n deluxe board |
| 03:36.47 | deadcat | gteppel: sure |
| 03:37.01 | abrotman | #wireless also exists |
| 03:37.16 | Vooloo | tried, was pretty dead |
| 03:37.30 | gteppel | abrotman: thank you i didn't realize that |
| 03:37.44 | deadcat | like i said. you have a shitty nic |
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| 03:38.25 | deadcat | gteppel: so you have a wireless router? just enable wireless and let your wife connect without problem. |
| 03:38.42 | AceB747 | deadcat, i guess you could refer to it being shitty because debian does not have drivers for it... or would that just mean that debian is being shitty...? |
| 03:38.43 | abrotman | gteppel: i didn't mean for you |
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| 03:38.50 | gteppel | oh |
| 03:38.58 | gteppel | deadcat: she can connect but i have no idea how to grab her IP address |
| 03:39.25 | deadcat | gteppel: open a terminal |
| 03:39.29 | deadcat | type ifconfig |
| 03:39.32 | gteppel | k |
| 03:39.50 | deadcat | gteppel: if shes using osx 10.4, use the find thing |
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| 03:41.41 | creichen | Hi-- I noticed that pressing Shift-NumLock asks X11 to interpret my numpad as pointer movement commands. Is there some way to disable this "feature", or to put it onto a different key combination? |
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| 03:41.59 | gteppel | deadcat: got it :) |
| 03:42.00 | gteppel | thank you |
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| 03:46.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:46.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:46.17 | metaperl | !topicsmite dpkg |
| 03:46.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dpkg. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 03:46.38 | dark_ | #bard |
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| 03:50.47 | abrotman | yonkeltron: King of Prussia ? |
| 03:50.57 | abrotman | Black Friday ... |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | 10000000000000 people shopping? :) |
| 03:51.09 | yonkeltron | abrotman: ah...nah. i'm ok with all my limbs |
| 03:51.29 | yonkeltron | ;-) |
| 03:51.33 | creichen | Solution: xmomdap keyboard setting turns it off. |
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| 03:51.45 | yonkeltron | abrotman: you a PLUGer? |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | yonkeltron: should i be ? |
| 03:52.26 | yonkeltron | abrotman: http://www.phillylinux.org |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i know what it is .. should i be a PLUGer ? |
| 03:53.47 | yonkeltron | abrotman: i always liked it when i could go.... |
| 03:54.09 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i've never gone .. i didn't even think it was still an active LUG |
| 03:54.09 | yonkeltron | abrotman: now i'm cross country at school......so i can't go |
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| 03:54.26 | yonkeltron | abrotman: it was usually pretty hopping! 25 some people |
| 03:54.30 | liable | what the hell do you do at a lug anyway? |
| 03:54.36 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i'm a little too far out to go i think |
| 03:54.44 | yonkeltron | abrotman: yeah.... |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | liable: drink beer i hope |
| 03:54.59 | liable | indeed :) |
| 03:56.03 | abrotman | yonkeltron: there's also PADS |
| 03:58.47 | yonkeltron | abrotman: heard about it... |
| 03:58.55 | abrotman | though i'm not sure that is active either |
| 03:59.29 | yonkeltron | sounds less active than PLUG |
| 03:59.36 | yonkeltron | and sounds rather superfluous |
| 03:59.37 | abrotman | i'm sure it is |
| 03:59.59 | Guerin | why do you need a LUG to drink beer? |
| 04:00.03 | yonkeltron | more debian fans prob come to the normal meetings than the special ones |
| 04:00.10 | yonkeltron | Guerin: you don't...but i hear it helps |
| 04:00.11 | abrotman | Guerin: it's not right to drink alone :) |
| 04:00.17 | yonkeltron | right! |
| 04:00.27 | yonkeltron | drinking alone is called being an alchoholic |
| 04:00.46 | abrotman | Guerin: it's like .. support .. you know .. to hold you up when you get plastered ? |
| 04:01.10 | Guerin | abrotman: you can't find thaqt under normal drinking conditions? |
| 04:01.27 | Guerin | abrotman: sounds like you have a drinking problem - not enough people to go drinking with |
| 04:01.31 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. my friends just leave me in the gutter! |
| 04:01.47 | Guerin | abrotman: you have bad freidns |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | Guerin: at least they get me tequila! |
| 04:02.01 | Guerin | abrotman: but at least they don't do mean things to you while you're in said gutter |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | Guerin: i have been peed on while intoxicated |
| 04:02.23 | Guerin | that's classy |
| 04:02.28 | abrotman | it wasn't my idea! |
| 04:02.48 | yonkeltron | vodka > tequila |
| 04:02.52 | abrotman | liar! |
| 04:02.59 | abrotman | vodka is for girls .. |
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| 04:03.08 | yonkeltron | vodka is for those of russian descent |
| 04:03.13 | yonkeltron | arak is for yemenites |
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| 04:03.23 | peterrooney | abrotman: what's more punk than having it happen is admitting that it happened |
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| 04:03.47 | abrotman | peterrooney: i was pretty messed up .. i thought it was raining |
| 04:04.01 | abrotman | nevermind that i was laying in snow and it was about 5 below 0 |
| 04:04.22 | abrotman | err below 32 .. below freezing .. whatever |
| 04:04.26 | abrotman | yonkeltron: raki ? |
| 04:04.32 | Guerin | abrotman: you are hereby cordially invited to join me on my tour of mongolia and the former soviet states of central asia, where we may put this bold statement 'vodka is for girls' to the test |
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| 04:04.48 | abrotman | Guerin: and then we go to mexico ? |
| 04:05.03 | abrotman | Guerin: when is this tour ... and for how long ? |
| 04:05.04 | aFlag | snow will actually hold your warm |
| 04:05.10 | Guerin | abrotman: i'd love to hear what ak-totin' kazakh camel herders have to say to it |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | i kind of like that Raki ... |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raki_(alcoholic_beverage) |
| 04:06.03 | Guerin | raki is near eastern |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | but a co-worker brought it back from his home town .. apparently it's something different in Albania |
| 04:06.31 | Guerin | all they drink up there in the stans is vodka, and fermented mares' milk, and beer, and if they can't get any of those, some are brave enough to drink water |
| 04:06.33 | yonkeltron | abrotman: no man...arak |
| 04:06.37 | abrotman | it's like .. moonshine |
| 04:06.38 | Guerin | in small quantities |
| 04:06.53 | yonkeltron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arak_%28liqueur%29 |
| 04:07.08 | Guerin | raki is like pastis, but with less class and more cred |
| 04:07.10 | aFlag | i've never tried raki |
| 04:07.12 | aFlag | is it good? |
| 04:07.21 | Guerin | if you like anise, it's good |
| 04:07.27 | Guerin | if you don't, it's not |
| 04:07.29 | martman | im having problems with a dist-upgrade from stable to unstable...i cant get kde installed at all. if i do it again and switch to a snapshot would that fix my dep/broken package hell? |
| 04:07.34 | martman | yeah, i know, bad timing |
| 04:07.38 | martman | hoping for a easy fix |
| 04:07.39 | abrotman | aFlag: i think it's ok .. but i'm weird |
| 04:07.44 | Agrajag- | what's the easiest way to make a modem receive faxes and then do something with them.. like email them as .ps or something? |
| 04:08.08 | yonkeltron | abrotman: ahh..also called raki elsewhere |
| 04:08.14 | aFlag | hum i like beer, tequila, vodka and pinga (something we have in brazil) |
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| 04:08.22 | aFlag | does it taste like any of that? |
| 04:08.39 | Guerin | martman: using unstable without being able to fix broken deps is like embaring on a solo trip across the atlantic without a paddle |
| 04:09.01 | martman | hehe |
| 04:09.03 | martman | wow |
| 04:09.08 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:09.12 | Guerin | maybe not the atlantic |
| 04:09.22 | Guerin | maybe just the english channel |
| 04:09.24 | Guerin | in winter |
| 04:09.30 | martman | hehe |
| 04:09.41 | yonkeltron | Guerin: in a clown suit |
| 04:09.43 | Guerin | wow |
| 04:09.46 | Guerin | awesome of awesomes |
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| 04:09.52 | Guerin | all my classes just got cancelled |
| 04:09.55 | aFlag | i don't use unstable because i don't want to be bothered :) |
| 04:09.59 | abrotman | Guerin: yay! |
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| 04:10.05 | Guerin | yonkeltron: with a hungry tiger |
| 04:10.26 | martman | besides from that lol, isnt my problem the switch over? so wouldnt a older snapshot help alittle? |
| 04:11.14 | martman | im just pushing the unstable for the new alsa |
| 04:11.21 | martman | finally supports my sound card |
| 04:11.39 | Vooloo | does wireless access points need something extra to work with repeaters? |
| 04:11.44 | liable | martman: why not just use a new kernel? |
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| 04:12.38 | martman | liable not completly sure what im getting into |
| 04:12.49 | martman | just know it was buggy in cvs for the longest time |
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| 04:12.53 | martman | and now it works in ubuntu |
| 04:13.00 | martman | but i dont like ubuntu lol |
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| 04:13.24 | martman | im attemptin to follow the path of least resistance....failing miserably? |
| 04:13.29 | hollenjf | is there a way to install debian so I dont have to boot up to GDM? so I can just log into the console |
| 04:13.56 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 04:13.57 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 04:14.05 | liable | martman: the alsa drivers are in the kernel. |
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| 04:14.54 | hollenjf | well I know that. But a friend of mine was saying they during the install process you cant opt not to boot to a graphical login |
| 04:15.11 | hollenjf | Is that true? |
| 04:15.12 | martman | hollenjf yeah |
| 04:15.29 | martman | hollenjf pass console=ttyS0,9600 to kernel |
| 04:15.31 | abrotman | hollenjf: yeah .. if you don't install gdm/zdm/xdm/pdm/kdm |
| 04:15.32 | martman | and |
| 04:15.34 | liable | hollenjf:dont install gdm then.. |
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| 04:15.41 | abrotman | martman: wtf are you talking about ? |
| 04:15.45 | martman | edit yout initab |
| 04:15.48 | abrotman | martman: stop |
| 04:15.58 | jimmyjoe869 | I want to upgrade Sarge kernel 2.4 to 2.6. Please point me to howto for kernel upgrade |
| 04:15.59 | martman | not serial console? |
| 04:16.02 | abrotman | no |
| 04:16.10 | martman | o....um....k.... |
| 04:16.13 | abrotman | he's means his normal system .. he doesn't want a GUI login |
| 04:16.19 | martman | o, sorry |
| 04:16.27 | Agrajag- | im trying to run a program linked with libjava.so - but im getting "error while loading shared libraries: libjava.so". the location of libjava.so is in my ld.so.conf, but ldd shows me "libjava.so => not found". but it does have "libjvm.so => /home/philipn/jdk1.5.0_05/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so (0x40155000)" |
| 04:16.35 | martman | hehe |
| 04:16.40 | Agrajag- | i can't figure out why it can't find libjava.so |
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| 04:17.01 | liable | jimmyjoe869: apt-get install apt-howto-en, all you need to do is install it |
| 04:17.21 | jimmyjoe869 | tnx |
| 04:17.39 | pmiller9 | how can I ensure that my ethernet devices come up ordered correctly? eth0 and eth1 seem to switch once and awhile when I boot up |
| 04:17.56 | liable | ifrename |
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| 04:19.27 | syl-2 | good evening, i'm trying to install "tilda" and I'm being told by the ./configure script that the package requirments (gtk+-2.0, gthread-2.0 and vte) are not met. since apt-cache search doesn't seem to know these, what should i do ? |
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| 04:22.45 | btiffin | syl-2; start looking at source.list in /var/apt/ |
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| 04:23.16 | liable | syl-2: the install file or readme doesnt mention anything? |
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| 04:23.41 | rking | i'm trying to get 1600x1200 in xorg, but i'm getting, "Not using 1600x1200 - No mode of this name". i tried using "sudo xorgcfg", but it just does weird, crash-like stuff (i can elaborate if this is relevant) - any suggestions? |
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| 04:24.01 | quitte | is it possible to have a fbcon that is turned by 90 degrees? |
| 04:24.16 | Tortel | turn your moniter |
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| 04:24.20 | Tortel | :P |
| 04:24.43 | vision | kmfkzgvsd |
| 04:24.48 | XS4-6096 | how can i unpack rar files? |
| 04:24.53 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 04:24.53 | dpkg | i guess unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 04:24.57 | quitte | Tortel: ok. and then turn my head? i want the fonts to be still upright of course |
| 04:25.02 | vision | hey, who is on my machine? |
| 04:25.07 | hellburner | X: tar -xvvf <file> |
| 04:25.11 | litage | what does the shpchp kernel module do? |
| 04:25.14 | ersdfeef | Is there a Linux tool similar to DAEMON Tools that lets me mount CD images on a virtual drive? Does Linux even do virtual drives? |
| 04:25.15 | Tortel | well, you didnt say that quitte |
| 04:25.20 | rking | vision: it just looks like you typed your password, is all i mean. |
| 04:25.28 | hellburner | er unrar... n/m |
| 04:25.34 | vision | my password? |
| 04:25.37 | liable | ersdfeef: mount it on loop |
| 04:25.42 | vision | im new to this man |
| 04:25.45 | rking | vision: kmfkzgvsd |
| 04:25.51 | vision | i just put linux on my pc today |
| 04:25.56 | vision | nah, that wasnt my password |
| 04:25.58 | btiffin | rking; You have to look in /etc/X11/XFConfig86 maybe XFXConfig86-4 and track down section Monitor and Display |
| 04:26.16 | quitte | Tortel well then thanks for pointing out my question didnt describe my problem in enough detail. |
| 04:26.19 | hellburner | A password completely devoid of vowels? Good lord |
| 04:26.25 | Tortel | :P |
| 04:26.33 | vision | how come ur name isnt in the chatter list rking? |
| 04:27.06 | quitte | so can framebuffer screen content be turned by 90 degrees? |
| 04:27.17 | vision | oh |
| 04:27.20 | vision | i see ur name now |
| 04:27.21 | vision | so ugg |
| 04:27.35 | abrotman | !ur |
| 04:27.35 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 04:28.08 | vision | look here mr linguistics.. i will say UR if i damn well plz |
| 04:28.11 | vision | what u gonna do ? |
| 04:28.16 | vision | eh? |
| 04:28.20 | abrotman | look here fucktard .. talk like a normal person |
| 04:28.21 | vision | mi rasclat |
| 04:28.23 | vision | lmaooo |
| 04:28.27 | abrotman | !tell vision about u |
| 04:28.30 | abrotman | !tell vision about plz |
| 04:28.38 | vision | u damn techies |
| 04:28.41 | vision | lol |
| 04:28.43 | abrotman | you damn loser |
| 04:28.49 | Elly | type the whole words |
| 04:28.50 | vision | fucktard? |
| 04:28.55 | vision | what the hell is a fucktard? |
| 04:28.58 | abrotman | you |
| 04:29.01 | Elly | if you're too lazy to type the whole words we will be too lazy to type the whole answers |
| 04:29.04 | vision | nah, its yo momma |
| 04:29.06 | vision | ur |
| 04:29.07 | vision | plz |
| 04:29.07 | abrotman | yay! |
| 04:29.12 | abrotman | !tell vision about ur |
| 04:29.16 | vision | ur ur ur |
| 04:29.16 | Elly | !plz |
| 04:29.16 | dpkg | plz is probably german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 04:29.19 | abrotman | !tell vision about ur |
| 04:29.20 | Elly | hehehe. |
| 04:29.25 | vision | plz stop ur yammering |
| 04:29.27 | abrotman | !tell vision about ur |
| 04:29.28 | syl-2 | liable: sorry for responding so late. the readme doesn't mention anything else than... configure, make, make install |
| 04:29.36 | Elly | dpkg should just do that on *ur* |
| 04:29.39 | Elly | err, \sur\s |
| 04:29.41 | syl-2 | liable: well in brief that's what it says |
| 04:29.44 | vision | plz plz plz |
| 04:29.47 | abrotman | !tell vision about plz |
| 04:29.48 | phogg | vision: please shut up |
| 04:29.56 | abrotman | how can someone be so stupid ? |
| 04:29.57 | liable | syl-2: bugger, google then i suposse.. |
| 04:29.59 | vision | plz kiss my ass |
| 04:30.09 | quitte | no, vision shut the fuck up |
| 04:30.10 | ryanium | =[ |
| 04:30.15 | Elly | shut the fuck up vision |
| 04:30.16 | abrotman | i mean .. how fucking hard is it to type a four letter word .. |
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| 04:30.24 | vision | all u ppl need to relax |
| 04:30.25 | Elly | if you want help type like a real person instead of a 12-year-old warez monkey |
| 04:30.31 | abrotman | !tell vision about ppl |
| 04:30.39 | phogg | vision: you need to play nice |
| 04:30.41 | vision | what is a warez monkey? |
| 04:30.41 | abrotman | oh .. let's just get them all in |
| 04:30.42 | abrotman | !wud |
| 04:30.43 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 04:30.52 | vision | all u fux need to smoke a blunt |
| 04:31.00 | Elly | aha |
| 04:31.00 | Elly | the explanation is revealed |
| 04:31.06 | ryanium | what is a fux |
| 04:31.10 | vision | fux |
| 04:31.13 | vision | is a FUCK |
| 04:31.13 | vision | or |
| 04:31.15 | vision | FUCKS |
| 04:31.17 | vision | for plural |
| 04:31.18 | abrotman | ryanium: that's what happens when you don't go to school |
| 04:31.20 | vision | u fux |
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| 04:31.23 | quitte | a fox i guess |
| 04:31.30 | Elly | abrotman: I think the drugs are a more likely explanation |
| 04:31.32 | tomiq | hi ... could anyone know how to move root partition and files without harm to new disk ( partition )? |
| 04:31.32 | ryanium | whats u ? :( |
| 04:31.41 | syl-2 | so easy to ignore. |
| 04:31.41 | quitte | !tell vision about enter |
| 04:31.45 | abrotman | Elly: no .. i don't think so |
| 04:31.53 | ryanium | i dont speak newb =( |
| 04:31.53 | phogg | tomiq: new disk which is mounted? You can do it with cp, man cp |
| 04:31.56 | ersdfeef | liable: how do I mount something on loop and what does that do? |
| 04:31.59 | vision | just forkin iggy me |
| 04:31.59 | liable | vision: you might as well leave, i doubt anyone will help you, and you will prolly get banned soon if you dont stfu |
| 04:32.07 | vision | i dont need any help |
| 04:32.11 | vision | what are u talking about? |
| 04:32.15 | vision | i didnt come here to make friends |
| 04:32.16 | ryanium | omg what are you some type of gay? who says iggy |
| 04:32.17 | ryanium | LOL |
| 04:32.24 | tomiq | phogg: with all links working properly...? |
| 04:32.25 | Elly | ryanium: I resent that |
| 04:32.29 | ryanium | sorry no offense lol |
| 04:32.33 | liable | vision: man mount, mount the iso, and you can look in it like any other directory. |
| 04:32.34 | abrotman | ryanium: yeah .. that's not much better |
| 04:32.36 | ryanium | its a line from a movie lol |
| 04:32.37 | rking | maybe he/she has had a bad day. |
| 04:32.47 | ryanium | super troopers lol |
| 04:32.49 | abrotman | rking: or .. he's just too lazy to type a four letter word ? |
| 04:32.50 | phogg | tomiq: mostly it's cp -R -d --preserve=all -x |
| 04:32.53 | vision | visiojn could care less about these folx |
| 04:33.00 | Elly | rking: you mean maybe they were involved in a horrible car accident and had to have a frontal lobotomy? |
| 04:33.00 | vision | and, im not a HE |
| 04:33.01 | abrotman | what a sad wander |
| 04:33.03 | abrotman | wanker |
| 04:33.11 | rking | abrotman: so? you and i are too lazy to correctly capitalize. |
| 04:33.14 | abrotman | vision: i really don't care |
| 04:33.23 | rking | Elly: exactly. that's why we need to be sensitive. |
| 04:33.24 | abrotman | rking: Is this better? |
| 04:33.44 | Elly | sensitive to the needs of the disabled? |
| 04:33.58 | rking | Elly: also to the enabled. either one |
| 04:34.05 | tomiq | phogg: and after updating lilo configuration and reboot... everything will go well? I'm frightened.. |
| 04:34.11 | liable | !fable |
| 04:34.11 | dpkg | somebody said fable was http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 04:34.25 | vision | mkay, nobuddy will be gettin in my machine now |
| 04:34.26 | Buddha| | !fubar |
| 04:34.26 | dpkg | i guess fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
| 04:34.28 | vision | i hope |
| 04:34.31 | phogg | tomiq: should do. If it worries you, chroot first and look around |
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| 04:34.59 | syl-2 | in general, is "not having such or such package" a dayly issue around debian/linux software installations? |
| 04:35.10 | croddy | no |
| 04:35.26 | vision | i bet no one will talk bad to syl-2 for misspelling daily |
| 04:35.29 | vision | why... |
| 04:35.34 | Elly | 'talk bad' |
| 04:35.34 | liable | syl-2: in debian, no, most shit is in the repos.. |
| 04:35.39 | abrotman | vision: stop being an asshole |
| 04:35.43 | vision | yup, talk bad |
| 04:35.51 | tomiq | phogg: I'm just learning linux... chroot? |
| 04:35.53 | vision | u got a problem with my method of speech? |
| 04:36.03 | abrotman | yes .. it's on the level of a 3rd grader |
| 04:36.08 | toresbe | not nessecarily only a VAX |
| 04:36.14 | quitte | vision: because its a typo and no being an idiot intentionally |
| 04:36.14 | vision | ahh, 6th.. i teach 6th grade |
| 04:36.16 | toresbe | the PDP-11 also has the FUBAR register |
| 04:36.21 | Elly | I'll explain this to you in simple terms |
| 04:36.29 | XS4-6096 | dpkg i need your help; tar does not work; cant find rar unrar packages |
| 04:36.29 | syl-2 | vision: what's with you, having a so-called nice spelling and a shitty personnality? |
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| 04:36.33 | toresbe | and only a minority of VAXen had the unibus |
| 04:36.39 | syl-2 | you're so easy to /ignore |
| 04:36.43 | tomiq | phogg: do you know some good partition making program? |
| 04:36.44 | Buddha| | toresbe - have you ever worked on a PDP-11? I'm just curious. |
| 04:36.45 | liable | XS4-6096: dpkg is a bot |
| 04:36.46 | abrotman | if he teaches .. i'm leaving this country |
| 04:36.48 | toresbe | I believe only the 11/780 and the 750 did, actually |
| 04:36.49 | Elly | When you ask a question, if you take the time to type out the words, it means that you actually care about the answer enough to at least type it properly. We like people who care. |
| 04:36.50 | vision | hold on sly |
| 04:36.54 | toresbe | Buddha|: I have one :) |
| 04:36.55 | phogg | tomiq: chroot /mount/point after the cp and until you say exit it'll act like that path is your root |
| 04:36.58 | vision | i cldnt read ur msg |
| 04:37.01 | vision | one sec plz |
| 04:37.02 | liable | XS4-6096: its in contrib and non-free iirc. |
| 04:37.04 | toresbe | Buddha|: next to the fridge |
| 04:37.09 | Buddha| | toresbe - seriously? |
| 04:37.10 | Elly | If you don't type all the letters, it means you don't care that much, and we don't like that. |
| 04:37.15 | toresbe | Buddha|: yep |
| 04:37.15 | abrotman | !tell vision about plz |
| 04:37.19 | liable | vision: fuck off please. |
| 04:37.27 | tomiq | I didn't try fdisk - I'm worried I shouldn't use it properly.. |
| 04:37.33 | vision | deal with it or ignore me or something |
| 04:37.34 | Buddha| | toresbe - why do you keep it next to the fridge? |
| 04:37.36 | vision | thats my chat preference |
| 04:37.39 | vision | to type in shorthand |
| 04:37.42 | vision | so what? |
| 04:37.43 | abrotman | vision: or act like an adult? |
| 04:37.46 | toresbe | Buddha|: it was just a convenient location, nothing to it |
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| 04:37.56 | phogg | toresbe: you're my hero |
| 04:38.01 | Elly | vision: just because that's your preference doesn't mean we like it |
| 04:38.02 | Buddha| | toresbe - ah, hehe. Does it still work? |
| 04:38.09 | vision | u dont have to like it |
| 04:38.10 | toresbe | Buddha|: sure |
| 04:38.14 | Elly | you sound like people who say "That's just your opinion" when you point something out |
| 04:38.29 | vision | just because someone hands u something doesnt mean u should take it |
| 04:38.31 | tomiq | Elly: edit: you don't like that... doesn't mead we... |
| 04:38.32 | croddy | i can see everyone is enjoying their tanksgiving |
| 04:38.39 | phogg | vision: so it makes you look like a moron. Morons don't get help |
| 04:38.43 | vision | just because someone loves u doesnt mean u gotta love em back |
| 04:38.44 | EdLin | !u |
| 04:38.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:38.49 | toresbe | Buddha|: It's a late-model 11/73, with a 65MB RM02-compatible disk drive, a 1600bpi Cipher M890 drive, and 1MB of RAM |
| 04:38.52 | vision | these are all things that are a part of life |
| 04:38.52 | XS4-6096 | liable: so what can i do? |
| 04:39.03 | vision | so, suck the milkshake outta my asshole and leave me alone plz |
| 04:39.06 | vision | PLEASE |
| 04:39.10 | liable | XS4-6096: add contrib and non-free to your sources list... |
| 04:39.17 | Elly | gasp! A full word! |
| 04:39.19 | abrotman | it's amazing that we can all talk like normal people .. |
| 04:39.21 | vision | now, SLY... i wasnt tryin to be all funky w/ u n stuff |
| 04:39.33 | phogg | vision: everyone will leave you alone if you stop using your 'shorthand' or stop doing it here. |
| 04:39.33 | btiffin | toresbe; You're a lucky nerd. |
| 04:39.39 | Buddha| | toresbe - nice. What OS are you running on it? |
| 04:39.47 | vision | well, i wont |
| 04:39.56 | Buddha| | and yes, you are a lucky nerd. |
| 04:40.04 | vision | its like when i accidentally switch between languages |
| 04:40.06 | toresbe | Buddha|: It used to run RSX-11M, but I wanted to install 2.11BSD on it, and in doing that found a nasty bug in the installer ;) |
| 04:40.18 | toresbe | btiffin: I did spend time looking for it :) |
| 04:40.27 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 04:40.30 | toresbe | btiffin: and did drive 1000km to fetch it :P |
| 04:40.44 | toresbe | I've sort of had to put debugging it off for a while, I've had other projects |
| 04:40.46 | tomiq | phogg: and then after reboot.. ? there are no other satisfy needing conditions afterthat's? |
| 04:41.03 | syl-2 | quelle langue tu parles? |
| 04:41.12 | abrotman | !fr |
| 04:41.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 04:41.16 | btiffin | toresebe; I just left a 15 year phone company contract on a VAX6800 OpenVMS 8... |
| 04:41.17 | tomiq | phogg: thanx ... ;) |
| 04:41.17 | toresbe | syl-2: Solement anglais, mon ami :) |
| 04:41.22 | phogg | tomiq: Keep your old disk around. Boot with root=/new/disk and if it doesn't work, go back to root=/old/disk |
| 04:41.24 | toresbe | btiffin: cool |
| 04:41.29 | yonkeltron | btiffin: whoa |
| 04:41.35 | toresbe | 8600, those are some fun machine |
| 04:41.38 | toresbe | machines* |
| 04:41.46 | vision | i speak arabic, spanish, english and.. uhh.. patois |
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| 04:41.54 | toresbe | ECC on the *registers* |
| 04:42.00 | liable | and fucktard! |
| 04:42.02 | phogg | vision: I'm happy for you |
| 04:42.08 | vision | a lil frecnh creole too.. and |
| 04:42.10 | vision | frecnh |
| 04:42.16 | phogg | vision: now if only you spoke english |
| 04:42.24 | btiffin | TPU is still my very favourite editor. Took me 12 months to convince bosses to let me install the FREE POSIX |
| 04:42.27 | yonkeltron | vision: òáøéú |
| 04:42.30 | vision | i speak english |
| 04:42.36 | vision | majored in english in college |
| 04:42.42 | vision | teach 6th grade reading and english |
| 04:42.45 | phogg | vision: sure you do |
| 04:42.50 | ShockSMX | kde crashed when i was logging out =[ |
| 04:43.01 | tomiq | phogg: I should write it as a kernel launch command? typed in lilobooter? |
| 04:43.09 | Buddha| | btiffin - never heard of TPU |
| 04:43.10 | phogg | tomiq: yes |
| 04:43.16 | btiffin | At the time, OpenVMS passed more of the unix compat tests than any other OS |
| 04:43.17 | toresbe | Buddha|: I'd offer you shell, but it doesn't run any OS |
| 04:43.19 | syl-2 | i don't really care, vision. i care about getting tilda up and working, and you're not half as interesting as the error messages i get |
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| 04:43.25 | toresbe | and it's 5 am, I'd wake the neigbours |
| 04:43.28 | btiffin | Text Processing Unit, EVE |
| 04:43.31 | vision | lol |
| 04:43.36 | p3rti | hi |
| 04:43.48 | toresbe | you should hear the tape drive when you power it up |
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| 04:43.51 | vision | i just installed linux about a half hour ago |
| 04:43.55 | btiffin | Loved it. Still do. And we had this multi-million dollar vax running FORTH |
| 04:44.03 | toresbe | btiffin: awesome :) |
| 04:44.22 | p3rti | i have a little problem with udev. i want to block a modules. i wrote on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist the word blacklist btaudio but i reboot and the modules still load!!! |
| 04:44.26 | p3rti | what can i do? |
| 04:44.27 | toresbe | btiffin: Only VAX I have is the empty shell of a MicroVAX II ina BA23 (slim deskside!) |
| 04:44.48 | btiffin | toresbe; Nice. |
| 04:45.10 | vision | so, all u chat about is error messages and command lines? |
| 04:45.12 | btiffin | We used our MicroVaxen as dumb terminals... |
| 04:45.16 | toresbe | btiffin: but I'm getting a MV3 chipset, and a BA123 case (nice and proper, space for disks and a big ol' backplane for all your peripheral needs |
| 04:45.21 | vision | welp, hubby says log out |
| 04:45.23 | vision | bye ppl |
| 04:45.29 | toresbe | btiffin: yeah, the microvaxen are VERY slow |
| 04:45.31 | phogg | finally |
| 04:45.44 | btiffin | toresbe; You are one lucky nerd |
| 04:45.44 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:45.47 | quitte | who the fuck is hubby? |
| 04:45.53 | toresbe | btiffin: I've worked for it ;) |
| 04:46.09 | toresbe | the coolest machine I have imho is my Norsk Data ND-5700 |
| 04:46.09 | Phated | quitte: 'husband', usually. |
| 04:46.20 | toresbe | it scores pretty damn high on uniqueness ;) |
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| 04:46.29 | btiffin | toresbe; Then you should get to enjoy it. |
| 04:46.30 | p3rti | so? |
| 04:46.31 | Phated | toresbe: And envy-creation. :) |
| 04:46.33 | p3rti | who can help me? |
| 04:46.36 | p3rti | i have a little problem with udev. i want to block a modules. i wrote on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist the word blacklist btaudio but i reboot and the modules still load!!! |
| 04:46.38 | toresbe | Phated: heheh! :) |
| 04:46.43 | tomiq | phogg: Can you recommand some good partiton (disk) manager? |
| 04:46.57 | rend | if buying by brand, would you get a toshiba or hp laptop? |
| 04:46.57 | phogg | tomiq: cfdisk |
| 04:47.02 | toresbe | btiffin: It's a very interesting arcitechture, it's 32-bit |
| 04:47.07 | abrotman | rend: depends on the model |
| 04:47.09 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 04:47.09 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 04:47.19 | toresbe | btiffin: Uses 8 VLSI chips, across 3200 cm² of PCB |
| 04:47.26 | toresbe | for the CPU alone |
| 04:47.31 | p3rti | !blacklist |
| 04:47.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is on etchsid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 04:47.33 | rend | abrotman: new models that are not really discussed |
| 04:47.33 | btiffin | I automated too many people out of work and gave up development a few years back, Only do support calls now... |
| 04:47.44 | yonkeltron | dammit! i just lost the game! |
| 04:47.50 | rend | abrotman: so i already checked the sites |
| 04:47.52 | abrotman | toresbe: you really need a #id-wank-on-my-pdp-if-the-wife-wouldnt-complain :) |
| 04:47.59 | abrotman | rend: erm .. ok |
| 04:48.08 | toresbe | abrotman: Ah, but it exists, #classiccmp ;) |
| 04:48.13 | rend | if buying by brand, would you get a toshiba or hp laptop? |
| 04:48.17 | btiffin | But I'm building a Debian lab now, 3 PC's so far. Don't quite know where this is going to lead... |
| 04:48.19 | abrotman | rend: if you have certain models in midn .... you could also try debian-laptop@lists.debian.org |
| 04:48.33 | toresbe | btiffin: the oldest machine I've played with is a PDP-7 |
| 04:48.37 | abrotman | rend: i'd buy HP .. but only because i've heard so much bad crap about older toshiba laptops and linux |
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| 04:48.40 | tomiq | phogg: how to use it with completly new sda disk? |
| 04:48.50 | btiffin | toresbe; Ahh, PIP |
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| 04:48.53 | abrotman | rend: but you should really do research before you buy |
| 04:48.53 | toresbe | yeah, and toshiba laptop hardware has been CRAP through the ages |
| 04:48.54 | abrotman | fuck |
| 04:48.54 | tomiq | phogg: I see no options iside.. |
| 04:48.56 | rend | abrotman: i have a toshiba laptop and nothing works |
| 04:49.05 | abrotman | rend: that's what i meant |
| 04:49.11 | toresbe | btiffin: wow, have you worked on one? |
| 04:49.26 | rend | abrotman: i have done as much research and it seems like the similar hp models are good |
| 04:49.36 | toresbe | rend: also, I've heard good things about HP laptops, even post-Fiorina |
| 04:49.40 | abrotman | rend: oh .. you have a newer toshiba and nothing works ? |
| 04:49.41 | rend | abrotman: plus i get 20% more off.. $307 total |
| 04:49.58 | rend | abrotman: nahh older toshiba |
| 04:50.19 | abrotman | rend: well .. i guess it's up to you .. but of course .. the best thing to get is a Thinkpad :) |
| 04:50.20 | quitte | is it possible to turn the framebuffer screen content by 90 degrees somehow |
| 04:50.21 | toresbe | btiffin: When I restored this one there were only 6 known remaining PDP-7s in the world |
| 04:50.24 | rend | the only hp i know with a problem was abused by the owner |
| 04:50.26 | quitte | ? |
| 04:50.29 | toresbe | btiffin: that was in 2003, when I was 14 |
| 04:50.32 | btiffin | toresbe; Well I'm 42, my first Canadian governement contract was 1982, they were just mothballing a bunch of them...I had to port a bunch of comm code to IBM PC BASIC....really really sad |
| 04:50.43 | rend | abrotman: i would have but they bumped the price way up |
| 04:50.47 | toresbe | btiffin: ew, yeah |
| 04:50.55 | abrotman | rend: they were never cheap to begin with |
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| 04:51.12 | toresbe | btiffin: wait, a bunch of PDP-7's? |
| 04:51.30 | btiffin | I watched over 8 PDP's go in a dumpster... |
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| 04:51.50 | abrotman | where they belong! |
| 04:51.53 | toresbe | btiffin: christ, no man should have to go through that |
| 04:51.59 | rend | abrotman: in august "IBM (Lenovo) Thinkpads are $600 with 3/4 GB of RAM, wireless networking, and a 14" display. " |
| 04:52.14 | abrotman | rend: and now ? |
| 04:52.27 | rend | abrotman: $799 with less ram |
| 04:52.34 | rend | 512mb |
| 04:52.43 | abrotman | rend: yes .. but CPU/HDD/wifi ? |
| 04:52.43 | rend | oh mait |
| 04:52.59 | btiffin | toresbe; thanks, they were sad days. But hey didn't the IBM PC make the world a better place. It gave MSDOS the break it needed :) |
| 04:53.00 | rend | same laptop but 200 more |
| 04:53.11 | toresbe | btiffin: hahaha. |
| 04:53.15 | abrotman | rend: it's the price of cheese |
| 04:53.22 | toresbe | btiffin: It was plenty broken already ;) |
| 04:53.38 | Buddha| | nice one, toresbe |
| 04:53.40 | btiffin | toresbe; :) |
| 04:53.48 | toresbe | btiffin: I'm involved in the formation of a Norwegian Computer History society |
| 04:53.54 | rend | hmm |
| 04:54.16 | rend | abrotman: im wrong.. apparently they just lowerd the price back to $600 |
| 04:54.22 | toresbe | btiffin: I really hope to start a computer museum, Norway made some extremely innovative products |
| 04:54.26 | abrotman | rend: just for you! |
| 04:54.27 | liable | buy buy buy |
| 04:54.28 | rend | http://www-131.ibm.com/content/home/store_LNV_PublicUSA/en_US/ad.html |
| 04:54.32 | btiffin | toresbe; I think my first TRS80 Model 1 just got tossed from a closet. Another sad day |
| 04:54.37 | toresbe | btiffin: We seem to have the claim for the first 32-bit minicomputer, for example |
| 04:55.05 | rend | Celeron® M Processor 360 |
| 04:55.10 | abrotman | yay celeron |
| 04:55.12 | btiffin | toresbe Good luck. It could be a worthwhile thing to do. |
| 04:55.13 | rend | 40gb hd |
| 04:55.21 | toresbe | btiffin: thanks. |
| 04:55.33 | toresbe | btiffin: Already we have gotten some amazing donations |
| 04:55.44 | btiffin | I only left the field for a few years and I am amazed at pc's now |
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| 04:55.53 | vision | i wonder if RKING is looking at his/her monitor |
| 04:56.15 | toresbe | btiffin: if we manage to arrange some museum-quality storage, we're probably getting an IBM mainframe from a company |
| 04:56.17 | ryanium | lol |
| 04:56.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 04:56.30 | abrotman | he's not even in the channel |
| 04:56.37 | toresbe | is too |
| 04:56.39 | vision | abrotman why u using shorthand? |
| 04:56.41 | btiffin | The last PC I bought new was an APTIVA with peripherals it was over $4,000 canadian. That's like almost a whole US dollar |
| 04:56.48 | abrotman | vision: fuck off and die |
| 04:56.48 | vision | smh |
| 04:56.53 | vision | <is dead |
| 04:57.09 | multidex | hi all, i just installed debian on this machine - i know i can get better than 800x600, but that is the highest resolution available on the system - how do I check if I have the right firmwear for my graphics chip, and what my graphics chip is? |
| 04:57.21 | liable | multidex: lspci |
| 04:57.22 | rend | abrotman: for $327(after tax) i can get hp pavilion ze2308wm, amd sempron 2800+, 256mb ram, 40 gb, cd burner/dvd rom, wireless, 15" tft xga |
| 04:57.35 | abrotman | damn that's cheap |
| 04:57.43 | toresbe | multidex: lspci | grep Display |
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| 04:57.48 | btiffin | toresbe; They where just turning up the IBM 360's when I went to the U of Waterloo. Those machine ROCK |
| 04:57.53 | toresbe | should show you some information about your monitor card |
| 04:57.58 | toresbe | btiffin: oh, hell yeah |
| 04:57.59 | Buddha| | btiffin - ouch. I currently have an Athlon64 2800+ and a 1.2GHz iBook |
| 04:58.03 | rend | yeah ann the processor can be upgradede to 64bit.. ill be adding more ram |
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| 04:58.11 | Buddha| | My oldest was an Apple IIgs |
| 04:58.19 | toresbe | btiffin: amazing arch for its time, and SO ...SO MANY BLINKENLIGHTS.... *froth* |
| 04:58.49 | toresbe | btiffin: My personal favorite would be a S/370, though |
| 04:58.56 | toresbe | btiffin: One with virtual memory |
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| 04:58.59 | btiffin | The sysadmins at Waterloo had some fun ramping up and down the DASD to make TUNES |
| 04:59.11 | toresbe | btiffin: hahaha, that's evil! :) |
| 04:59.27 | toresbe | btiffin: the DASD arms of the 360 era were hydraulically actuated |
| 04:59.38 | Bogaurd | does anyone know if its possible, in samba, to set it up so that clients only see shares which they can actually access? |
| 04:59.38 | btiffin | "Bosess" hated it, real hard on the hardware. |
| 04:59.49 | toresbe | btiffin: I can believe that... |
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| 05:00.11 | toresbe | btiffin: I have a paper tape on my shelf that can play a long Bach piece on the PDP-7's accumulator |
| 05:00.32 | btiffin | toresbe; Gotta love the tech crafted with care. |
| 05:00.37 | rend | Buddha|: is the athlon64 a desktop? |
| 05:00.39 | toresbe | btiffin: oh yeah. |
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| 05:00.54 | Buddha| | rend - yes. why? |
| 05:00.55 | toresbe | btiffin: mind you, in 1961, Bell labs was doing advanced music synthesis on a 7094 |
| 05:00.55 | vision | hmm |
| 05:01.13 | multidex | toresbe: 0000:00:08.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) - do I need a module for it? |
| 05:01.14 | toresbe | btiffin: (Ah, the 7094, gotta love a computer with a "LOW OIL PRESSURE" lamp :) |
| 05:01.28 | toresbe | multidex: no, you don't |
| 05:01.29 | rend | Buddha|: just wondering... like i said earlier... hope to upgrade the laptop to 64bit |
| 05:01.45 | abrotman | rend: you probably can't .. |
| 05:01.48 | toresbe | multidex: You just need to configure X to use the ...ati driver, is it? |
| 05:01.55 | abrotman | rend: the sempron is a different socket than amd64 |
| 05:01.59 | btiffin | toresbe; Yep. But still, the 3rd millenium machines still amaze me. I got a memory stick apart the other day. 1gig in a unit like that |
| 05:02.04 | abrotman | oh wait .. or is that duron |
| 05:02.06 | XS4-6096 | i dont see my 2nd hd haw can I add it? |
| 05:02.09 | toresbe | multidex: anyway, the resolutions and all that is set in /etc/xorgg/X.org |
| 05:02.11 | multidex | toresbe: don't know, will reseach how to try |
| 05:02.12 | toresbe | nowait |
| 05:02.14 | abrotman | wait .. turion is mobile amd64 |
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| 05:02.24 | vision | wonder where these mystery sounds are coming from |
| 05:02.24 | toresbe | multidex: anyway, the resolutions and all that is set in /etc/xorg/xorg.conf |
| 05:02.27 | vision | hmm |
| 05:02.30 | abrotman | toresbe: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ? |
| 05:02.30 | toresbe | or...something |
| 05:02.37 | toresbe | yes! what abrotman said! |
| 05:02.41 | toresbe | IRC with a severe lag is hard |
| 05:02.42 | multidex | right on! |
| 05:02.42 | ryanium | vision got netbussed lol |
| 05:02.47 | rend | but i think i read a story of someone changing out the processor in one of these |
| 05:02.49 | rend | hmm |
| 05:02.53 | vision | nah, its been doing this |
| 05:03.01 | vision | i got someone on my desktop right now too |
| 05:03.07 | ryanium | sub7 |
| 05:03.12 | vision | *have |
| 05:03.28 | vision | I have someone viewing and making changes to my desktop at this current time. |
| 05:03.40 | toresbe | btiffin: yeah, progress rocks. |
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| 05:03.49 | vision | but, it was making mystery sounds even before i got my modem running.. |
| 05:03.55 | toresbe | btiffin: These machines are amazing toys, but I;d HATE to have to do something interesting on them |
| 05:04.07 | toresbe | bah |
| 05:04.17 | toresbe | have to do real work* |
| 05:04.27 | toresbe | It's 6am, apologees for broken brain :) |
| 05:04.42 | btiffin | toresbe; I always thought PCs were toys. I'm learning. Still miss the 'real' computers. |
| 05:04.54 | toresbe | btiffin: yeah |
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| 05:05.08 | toresbe | btiffin: Commoditization is a mixed blessing |
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| 05:05.26 | toresbe | btiffin: It makes our lives as geeks easier, but it makes it a lot less 'interesting' too :) |
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| 05:05.48 | toresbe | btiffin: I s'pose modern-day challenges for the majority of geeks lie in softwar nowadays |
| 05:06.15 | btiffin | But anyway; I can't get pppd to play nice with ndiswrapper 'ed wlan0 and ipmasq any clues. Running ipmasq starts spewing log messages to root console from ppp |
| 05:06.20 | oh_smitt | is raid support included with debian kernels? |
| 05:06.39 | abrotman | which kind of raid ? |
| 05:06.44 | oh_smitt | software |
| 05:06.50 | rend | hmm so is sempron 2800+ 64bit? |
| 05:06.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 05:06.55 | btiffin | toresbe; Things will just get more complex in the large...always more complex in the large |
| 05:06.55 | abrotman | no |
| 05:06.59 | oh_smitt | hmm |
| 05:07.05 | abrotman | oh_smitt: yes for you |
| 05:07.07 | abrotman | rend: no for you |
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| 05:07.33 | cast | theres no deb xen kernel floating around is there? might as well ask before compiling my own :> |
| 05:07.37 | oh_smitt | abrotman: how come I don't have /proc/mdstat ... is there a module I need to enable in modconf? |
| 05:07.51 | koshnaranek | you can see the raid messages as 'mb' output during boot |
| 05:08.21 | abrotman | oh_smitt: i don't use sw raid .. but the support is there |
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| 05:08.31 | oh_smitt | hmm |
| 05:08.32 | oh_smitt | ok |
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| 05:08.34 | koshnaranek | do you have raidtools installed? |
| 05:08.35 | abrotman | oh_smitt: and yes .. there is probably a module |
| 05:08.38 | boozer | hi |
| 05:08.55 | vision | this is so frusterating. |
| 05:09.01 | rend | hmm looks like this laptop is socket/tech 754-pin/90nm SOI |
| 05:09.15 | abrotman | rend: amd64 is 939 or 940 iirc |
| 05:09.36 | bucky | amd has a 754 |
| 05:09.50 | vision | shit i deleted my epiphany browser |
| 05:09.52 | RoundQube | 940 is just the old opteron's that required ecc memory |
| 05:09.54 | vision | argh |
| 05:09.56 | abrotman | bucky: yes .. but he was asking about sempron .. which is 754 .. and amd64 is 939 or 940 |
| 05:10.00 | RoundQube | so 939 is basically that but does not require ecc |
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| 05:10.06 | abrotman | bucky: he wanted to know if he could upgrade the sempron to amd64 |
| 05:10.26 | boozer | hi can you see my message, or is there a certain syntax ? |
| 05:10.34 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: reading through the raid howto and it just said I should have .proc/mdstat ... I am going to install mdadm now |
| 05:10.49 | rend | hehe but i think this will be plenty for my dev... and at $325... i cant bitch |
| 05:10.49 | koshnaranek | dare to know! |
| 05:10.52 | boozer | #hmm |
| 05:11.00 | liable | boozer: just type, we can see you |
| 05:11.06 | vision | i can see ur message boozer |
| 05:11.09 | boozer | ok |
| 05:11.10 | vision | *your |
| 05:11.15 | rend | primarily ill do web dev with ruby on rails |
| 05:11.33 | vision | why is shorthand a problem in this chat? |
| 05:11.40 | toresbe | btiffin: I guess that in the large is where the UNIX philosophy of keeping it simple really gets put to the test |
| 05:11.44 | vision | is it because it could be misconstrued for code? |
| 05:12.03 | boozer | how do I configure start up items in debian?..I want sshd to start at boot |
| 05:12.05 | abrotman | it was already explained to you once |
| 05:12.12 | vision | i missed it |
| 05:12.15 | toresbe | vision: It's considered bad form; it's taken as you being too lazy to type the extra letters; it also makes you look like a 14-year-old to most |
| 05:12.16 | liable | boozer: man update-rc.d |
| 05:12.18 | vision | i was on the phone |
| 05:12.30 | vision | ahh, i see |
| 05:12.30 | rend | hmm for $114 there is a AMD Athlon 64 2800+ Socket 754 CPU |
| 05:12.36 | abrotman | vision: ask Elly to explain it again |
| 05:12.37 | vision | well, im not 14, im 27 |
| 05:12.38 | btiffin | toresbe; Yep I like the collect a bunch of little tools philosophy. Always have. |
| 05:12.49 | liable | boozer: or dpkg-reconfigure sshd |
| 05:12.54 | liable | i think.. |
| 05:12.56 | Elly | When you ask a question, if you take the time to type out the words, it means that you actually care about the answer enough to at least type it properly. We like people who care. |
| 05:13.00 | Elly | If you don't type all the letters, it means you don't care that much, and we don't like that. |
| 05:13.04 | vision | and, i write and type in shorthand, i tend to be longwinded |
| 05:13.13 | vision | so, my apologies for offending anyone |
| 05:13.19 | Elly | this argument is STILL going? |
| 05:13.28 | toresbe | vision: no offense, people just think lower of you :P |
| 05:13.39 | vision | why do you assume it means that a person doesnt care ? |
| 05:13.46 | vision | assumptions are evil. |
| 05:13.49 | koshnaranek | oh_smitt dont forget to format your drives as RAID and not ext3 or rieser, i spent like 3 days once on two production servers trying to figure out why the goldurn things would not accept a swapped hard drive |
| 05:13.58 | abrotman | because you're too lazy to type out a whole word. A whole FOUR letter word |
| 05:14.03 | rend | and it also looks like early sempron processors had 64bit enabled.. but i can most likely get 64bit ! ;) |
| 05:14.08 | vision | im not lazy you fag |
| 05:14.16 | boozer | liable: thanks |
| 05:14.19 | abrotman | !tell vision about gay |
| 05:14.25 | toresbe | vision: A lot of #debian folks mix convenience and laziness. |
| 05:14.26 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: oh, you have done this before ... let me ask a basic question ... |
| 05:14.27 | liable | boozer: np |
| 05:14.31 | vision | what is with the exclamation marks |
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| 05:14.37 | vision | and the "tell vision" this |
| 05:14.49 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: I have 2 disks exactly the same ... 1 disk is live main drive on a production server... |
| 05:14.55 | vision | ahh, i never used debian before, this is the first |
| 05:15.07 | vision | well, second now. |
| 05:15.07 | abrotman | vision: which version are you using ? |
| 05:15.07 | toresbe | vision: now, homophobia has convinced me that you are to be seen as a 14-year-old. want candy? |
| 05:15.09 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: can I setup mirroring on the second drive w/o killing all my data? |
| 05:15.17 | vision | im not a homophobic |
| 05:15.18 | koshnaranek | yes |
| 05:15.23 | croddy | isnt' there a channel where you idiots can flame each other? |
| 05:15.25 | vision | although i think sodomy is an abomination |
| 05:15.30 | vision | and that you're a fag |
| 05:15.34 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: exellent .. I'm really paranoid about this ;) |
| 05:15.42 | toresbe | vision: homophobic is not a noun |
| 05:15.43 | vision | which version linux u mean? |
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| 05:15.52 | Elly | well |
| 05:15.53 | koshnaranek | pay special attention to the md config file |
| 05:15.57 | abrotman | vision: no .. which version of debian? |
| 05:16.01 | vision | ok tores... |
| 05:16.02 | Elly | you have now removed all doubt in my mind that you're a complete moron |
| 05:16.07 | koshnaranek | get that right and you shouldnt have a problem |
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| 05:16.11 | vision | i have no idea which version im using.. i can check though |
| 05:16.27 | koshnaranek | the other thing is once it starts building the raid, LET IT FINISH |
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| 05:16.32 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: I don't understand why the partition types matters .. it should just be a mirror of the dev right? |
| 05:16.49 | abrotman | vision: please do |
| 05:17.07 | vision | yay, my linux tutor is back on the phone |
| 05:17.09 | vision | woo hoo |
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| 05:17.41 | koshnaranek | if you want to just plug in the drive, boot, let it build the raid and go, then you should preformat the drive, otherwise the kernel is not going to recognize it as a legitimate drive for the raid |
| 05:18.00 | vision | fuck i cant get into my router |
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| 05:18.29 | oh_smitt | what does the process of building the raid do ... |
| 05:18.53 | oh_smitt | it seems like making the /dev/md0 device is some super magic |
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| 05:18.58 | vision | abrot, i cant find the version |
| 05:19.05 | koshnaranek | if you edit the config file correctly, then put the preformatted drive in as the right /dev/?? then it will work as advertised, but you should go over the manual and be sure your config file is correct |
| 05:19.10 | abrotman | vision: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 05:19.15 | oh_smitt | are all my partitions going to be /dev/md01 |
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| 05:19.19 | toresbe | btiffin: so, you've got experience with VMS? |
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| 05:19.43 | toresbe | btiffin: Hate to advertise, but you might want to stop by #classiccmp, a lot of retroguys there :) |
| 05:19.44 | vision | abrot u want me to type that somewhere or.. is that my version? |
| 05:19.57 | abrotman | vision: on your debian box .. type that command .. show us the line |
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| 05:20.04 | vision | ok |
| 05:20.07 | koshnaranek | it will basically list the raid, the type of raid, the drives to be used, and then perhaps some entries of hotswapping alternative devices |
| 05:20.15 | btiffin | toresbe; Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 05:20.25 | vision | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 05:20.28 | btiffin | toresbe; Thanks, I'll check it out. I do miss the VMS |
| 05:20.28 | dpkg | ii libc6 |
| 05:20.32 | vision | uhh, i guess i did it wrong |
| 05:20.34 | vision | lol |
| 05:20.38 | vision | as usual |
| 05:20.41 | abrotman | vision: yes you did .. i need the number it spits out |
| 05:20.44 | koshnaranek | read the manual, the author explains it better than me |
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| 05:21.23 | geoizil | http://24.4.30.119/catalog/ |
| 05:21.26 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: ahh I'm reading the part about root filesystem on raid .. I think it will be easier to just use rsync ;) |
| 05:21.34 | abrotman | geoizil: did you just spam us ? |
| 05:21.47 | tchino | how can i put in settings for all bourne shells, in /etc/profile? |
| 05:21.54 | geoizil | No |
| 05:21.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 05:21.57 | geoizil | it was for emm |
| 05:22.01 | geoizil | because he cant spell |
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| 05:22.02 | koshnaranek | oh_smitt the problem with that is that the raid needs to write some stuff on the drive |
| 05:22.06 | geoizil | and he got banned from the other server |
| 05:22.10 | abrotman | tchino: yes |
| 05:22.17 | geoizil | so its a temporary thing |
| 05:22.18 | geoizil | bye |
| 05:22.25 | abrotman | wtf |
| 05:22.28 | koshnaranek | it doesnt use a standard partition table, thus the need to format the drive as RAID, see the manual for fdisk |
| 05:22.37 | oh_smitt | yea |
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| 05:22.51 | oh_smitt | I can't format these drives ... they are in production |
| 05:23.15 | koshnaranek | can you use two disks to make the raid then mirror onto the raid? |
| 05:23.16 | lekvar | I'm compiling a kernel for the first time in a couple years. I don't get whether ACPI is desirable. This machine is old (pre-coppermine celeron) so is it even relevant? |
| 05:23.38 | tchino | abrotman: i want to set in all bourne shells the font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-15, how can do that? |
| 05:23.59 | lekvar | All the power management I'm aware of caring about is having the monitor go into power saving mode, and having shutdown -h actually shut the machine down. |
| 05:24.09 | abrotman | tchino: no idea .. i don't mess with fonts .. whatever the app uses .. that's what i use |
| 05:24.12 | oh_smitt | not enough space unfortunately ... very old servers ... |
| 05:24.39 | toresbe | btiffin: I have two complete orange walls :) |
| 05:24.48 | koshnaranek | i havent tried to do what you are trying to do, the servers i built were new, so i could install onto the raid already made |
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| 05:25.03 | btiffin | toresbe; Nice... |
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| 05:25.12 | basheer | sup ppl |
| 05:25.16 | vision | lol |
| 05:25.17 | toresbe | btiffin: alas, neither of them is VMS, it's for their predecessor, RSX-11M |
| 05:25.19 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 05:25.21 | vision | hiya |
| 05:25.24 | basheer | you can not hide |
| 05:25.24 | abrotman | it's not even sunday! |
| 05:25.36 | vision | lol |
| 05:25.45 | btiffin | toresbe; Hey RSX has it goin' on. :) |
| 05:25.47 | vision | i am not liked verymuch here... im too bubbly i guess |
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| 05:26.05 | tchino | where can i do set a common font for all bourne shells and all editors like xterm aterm etc? |
| 05:26.06 | toresbe | btiffin: hehe, hell yeah |
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| 05:26.45 | vision | now, abrotman i typed that, but evidently i didnt do it right |
| 05:26.49 | vision | oh, ok tell me |
| 05:27.01 | abrotman | vision: dpkg -l libc6 .. show me the last line |
| 05:27.13 | vision | type it exactly that way |
| 05:27.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 05:27.27 | vision | ok |
| 05:27.49 | encompass | How do I reconfigure my keyboard layout |
| 05:27.57 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 05:27.57 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 05:28.03 | koshnaranek | and i was using RH 9.0 Enterprise which allowed me to use the graphical installer to make the raid device, basically just point and click, when one of the hard drives failed a few weeks later, i had the problem i described earlier, basically, in the end, i simply edited the config file, formatted the new drive, stuck it into the bay of the old drive, booted it up and let it rebuild, this was after a few days of me banging my head against |
| 05:28.07 | cast | ahh someone remind me as to what the name of the virtual pkg with gcc+make in it? |
| 05:28.12 | vision | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 05:28.13 | dpkg | ii libc6 1.7-15 vision's private porn collection |
| 05:28.21 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: yea, i will probably just get a hardware raid 1 card and do it that way |
| 05:28.21 | vision | hey, i dont have any porn |
| 05:28.29 | koshnaranek | would not detect (ext3 partition instead of raid) |
| 05:28.37 | abrotman | vision: you're suposed to show me what that spits out on your computer |
| 05:28.46 | koshnaranek | im pretty sure the tools are there to do what you want, i just dont know how to do it |
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| 05:29.22 | liable | !b-e cast |
| 05:29.23 | dpkg | cast: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 05:29.25 | encompass | I have it reconfigured for console that works fine, how do I change it for x |
| 05:29.29 | oh_smitt | koshnaranek: yea, but if I fuck it up it's not worth the $100 savings on a hardware raid card |
| 05:29.33 | vision | ii libc6 1.7-15 visions private porn collection |
| 05:29.36 | vision | thats what came up |
| 05:29.39 | encompass | my keyboard works ok in gnome but not windowsmaker |
| 05:29.41 | abrotman | ON YOUR COMPUTER! |
| 05:29.45 | abrotman | not in the irc window |
| 05:29.47 | cast | :) |
| 05:29.50 | koshnaranek | fortunately the boss was tolerant of his 'big linux expert' |
| 05:29.55 | abrotman | oh fuck it .. you kids have a good night with the idiot .. i'm off to bed |
| 05:29.56 | oh_smitt | haha |
| 05:29.58 | oh_smitt | bbl |
| 05:29.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 05:30.21 | koshnaranek | make sure you check out the card against the debian hardware database |
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| 05:30.43 | vision | nothing came up on my computer |
| 05:31.18 | koshnaranek | *shrug* he was saving like, what, 600 dollars with RH instead of M$, so he could afford to let me play mad scientist a could nights |
| 05:31.40 | vision | im on the phone too |
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| 05:31.56 | tomiq | phogg: were you still here? I rebooted to be shure partitions created... can you post your previous answers to me again? |
| 05:32.32 | tomiq | phogg: it really seemed to work well.. |
| 05:33.23 | encompass | !set up x |
| 05:33.23 | dpkg | set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 05:34.43 | vision | 1.0.51 |
| 05:36.08 | vision | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 05:36.09 | dpkg | ii libc6 1.4-14.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 05:37.07 | ryanium | you shouldnt use linux if you cant even figure out where to type commands =[ |
| 05:37.15 | vision | who, me? |
| 05:37.19 | ryanium | yes |
| 05:37.23 | vision | i just did what someone told me to do pal |
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| 05:37.31 | ryanium | k |
| 05:37.32 | tomiq | please can anyone post me what did phogg answer me? I was rebooting so the whole inforation is lost... |
| 05:37.33 | vision | why are you people so moody |
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| 05:38.47 | jair_11 | it is a way of install the mplayerplug-in in debian beside the "source" it is any .deb package aout there for debian? |
| 05:40.00 | vision | lol |
| 05:40.06 | vision | basheer left me again |
| 05:40.29 | tchino | eurozeichen in der console? |
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| 05:42.26 | liable | jair_11: mozilla-mplayer |
| 05:42.43 | liable | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 05:42.51 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
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| 05:43.04 | jair_11 | liable, yes but I am cheking right now that i have to install the and compile the source |
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| 05:43.21 | liable | jair_11: eh? |
| 05:43.33 | jair_11 | liable, that includes the mozilla firefox? |
| 05:44.05 | liable | jair_11: yes. its pretty crappy though, no buttons, i compiled my own. |
| 05:44.16 | jair_11 | liable, so i do need to add any extra source.lst or apt- server? |
| 05:44.42 | liable | jair_11: well, its in contrib, so you need that. |
| 05:44.53 | jair_11 | liable, but that one you are mentioning there is on the .deb package or it is a source and you have to compile it? |
| 05:45.04 | jair_11 | contrib |
| 05:45.06 | liable | its a pckage |
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| 05:45.31 | liable | !nickometer |||sLaSh||| |
| 05:45.32 | dpkg | '|||sLaSh|||' is 99.9377% lame, liable |
| 05:45.35 | jair_11 | liable, but what do you think in download the source and compile it like it shows on the package page? |
| 05:46.02 | liable | jair_11: if you want to compile it, then go ahead, but you dont have too. |
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| 05:46.18 | jair_11 | liable, hmmm i do not have to? |
| 05:46.49 | liable | jair_11: no, just apt-get it. |
| 05:47.01 | liable | !contrib |
| 05:47.01 | dpkg | i guess contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 05:47.24 | jair_11 | liable, then if I have this: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free and deb ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib deb-src ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 05:47.43 | jair_11 | liable, ohhh i am sorry :) |
| 05:48.10 | jair_11 | this ones I have will work then ?? |
| 05:48.15 | jair_11 | right? |
| 05:48.17 | liable | yes. |
| 05:48.41 | jair_11 | cool so all I have to do is apt-get install mozilla-mplayer? |
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| 05:49.04 | liable | yes |
| 05:49.09 | jair_11 | liable, by the way I ahve installed the mplayer package with all it's codecs |
| 05:49.14 | snkcld | can anyone here help me with module programming? |
| 05:49.16 | jair_11 | but not the plugin |
| 05:49.21 | tomiq | please can anyone post me what did phogg answer me? I was rebooting so the whole inforation is lost for me... |
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| 05:49.33 | snkcld | i just have one simple problem |
| 05:50.33 | liable | snkcld: and you are waiting for us to read your mind? |
| 05:50.57 | snkcld | if i simply put "#include <linux/module.h> /* Needed by all modules */" |
| 05:51.01 | snkcld | and then compile, |
| 05:51.05 | snkcld | it tells me |
| 05:51.44 | snkcld | error: redefinition of 'struct timespec' |
| 05:51.58 | snkcld | error:redefinition of 'struct timeval' |
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| 05:52.59 | snkcld | sound familiar to anyone? |
| 05:53.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:53.28 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 05:53.54 | kingsley_ | The results of an experiment in estimating #debian's productivity are at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc Feedback welcome. |
| 05:54.37 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 05:54.37 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap, or http://www.frappr.com/debian |
| 05:55.23 | liable | we are being rated on our productivity now? if you want more productivity, you will have to give me a pay rise! |
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| 05:57.06 | kingsley_ | liable: Conversely, you could offer to return everything you've paid. |
| 05:57.19 | kingsley_ | s/paid/been paid/ |
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| 05:58.11 | gravity | ffs |
| 05:58.16 | tomiq | are you still here? I rebooted to be shure partitions created... can you post your previous answers to me again? will help |
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| 05:59.05 | tawy | i need some help here... im having somemajor issues getting back online. i need help configuring my dls modem andlinsys router... |
| 05:59.49 | oh_smitt | tawy: doesn't linksys have 24/7 tech support? |
| 05:59.58 | dregan | how can I change my password for /msg nickserv <name> <password> ? |
| 06:00.06 | tawy | i can only seem to connect online if i plug my dsl modem directly to the back of pc.. |
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| 06:00.23 | tawy | i dont think its a problem with hardware... im setting something wrong.. would they help with that? |
| 06:00.31 | tawy | and more over, are they open on thanksgiving? |
| 06:00.31 | liable | kingsley_: that comment makes absolutely no sense. i dont get paid.. |
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| 06:00.53 | oh_smitt | tawy: http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/live_request.php |
| 06:01.01 | oh_smitt | yes |
| 06:01.06 | oh_smitt | they help with everything |
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| 06:01.37 | oh_smitt | it's only thanksgiving in america |
| 06:01.52 | oh_smitt | and it's over on the east coast ;) |
| 06:02.06 | jmd | How can I capture an OpenGL stream (or other frame sequence) into an ogg or mp3 file? |
| 06:02.23 | kingsley_ | liable: Yes. It's an old joke. |
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| 06:02.49 | tomiq | please.. how to copy entire root file system to other partition? |
| 06:02.50 | tawy | oh_smitt, unfortunatly, i dont have java in ubuntu working. |
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| 06:02.52 | liable | kingsley_: evidently, i dont get it. |
| 06:02.54 | tawy | so i cant use that link |
| 06:03.10 | liable | tawy: /msg dpkg hard drive upgrade |
| 06:03.18 | cast | tomiq: just rsync -a from to? |
| 06:03.36 | tomiq | cast: what does it mean? |
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| 06:04.26 | ohsmitt | tawy: ok, I dono why I have to look this up for you ... Technical Support is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Phone: (800) 326-7114 |
| 06:04.30 | cast | tomiq: you'll need to know how to operate mount and rsync/cp/tar/cpio |
| 06:04.42 | tomiq | cast: I tried something like this... cp -r --preserve=all /usr /mnt/usr/ |
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| 06:04.55 | cast | tomiq: and what happened? |
| 06:05.04 | tawy | im not asking anyone to look it up... basicly, just looking fort yes/ no questions im about to ask... is that ok? |
| 06:05.06 | tomiq | it's copying... :) |
| 06:05.22 | loxley_ | tomiq: cp -ax / /new partition |
| 06:05.45 | tomiq | cast: creating new partition? or what? |
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| 06:06.02 | loxley_ | tomiq: no need |
| 06:06.06 | tomiq | cast: I had already created partitions on the disk.. |
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| 06:06.23 | ohsmitt | sure, just seems like linksys can help you get the router part of your network working first ... then we can help ;) |
| 06:06.48 | cast | tomiq: we noticed, so your cp command is copying..i dont understand the problem, |
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| 06:07.12 | cast | ahh i get it |
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| 06:08.12 | cast | need the x switch lile loxley_ said :) |
| 06:08.33 | Phoenix_Zero | hi, I need some help getting vnc or any window manager running correctly. Im using Debian Sarge. I can get it to connect but always on gnome, I need kde. I dont have physical access to the machine, just ssh |
| 06:08.37 | tomiq | cast: no... I just want to boot afterthats the same system located on new disk.. |
| 06:09.07 | cast | tomiq: oh, well thats just a edit to the grub menu in /boot/grub |
| 06:09.30 | cast | assuming grub of course, or you'll have to edit lilo's config and rerun liko |
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| 06:11.22 | Jmax | rm -rvf / countdown: now. |
| 06:12.34 | Phoenix_Zero | Im not that dumb... |
| 06:12.47 | tomiq | cast: all linkage will be as desired? |
| 06:13.11 | Phoenix_Zero | will someone please help me with this? Its driving me nuts |
| 06:13.37 | cast | tomiq: nfi (: try and see |
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| 06:14.12 | Boukensya | hey guys.. Anyone have apache2 here? I need to get a file from it. "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default" |
| 06:14.14 | tomiq | cast: hope so:)) |
| 06:14.43 | Boukensya | if you have it can you please message the info in it to me? I would really appreciate that |
| 06:14.57 | Phoenix_Zero | if someone would please just give me a minute of their time |
| 06:15.03 | Phoenix_Zero | Ive been at this for 4 hours |
| 06:15.18 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, whats up? |
| 06:15.45 | cast | Boukensya: could dig it out of the pkg, mines been edited |
| 06:15.48 | Phoenix_Zero | Im trying to get vnc to connect to my linux box from my windows box, I can only ssh into the linux box. It connects, but only to gnome (I have both installed) |
| 06:15.54 | Phoenix_Zero | I need to get to kde |
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| 06:16.07 | Phoenix_Zero | and the gnome window is stuck at a low res in windowed mode |
| 06:16.12 | Boukensya | cast, how do I do that? I tried reconfiguring the package but that didn't work |
| 06:16.31 | tomiq | cast: shouldn't I first kill x and make it in console? |
| 06:16.35 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, okay so you want to kill gnome and put kde on? |
| 06:16.38 | Phoenix_Zero | ya |
| 06:16.47 | Boukensya | ctl-alt-backspace |
| 06:16.55 | cast | Boukensya: well, go download the pkg from your mirror, then i believe they're just .tar.gz files - so just tar zxf it |
| 06:17.04 | Phoenix_Zero | Boukensya: does nothing, Im only sshed |
| 06:17.09 | Phoenix_Zero | I dont have physical access to the machine |
| 06:17.12 | Boukensya | deb is tar gz? |
| 06:17.12 | Phoenix_Zero | thats part of the madness |
| 06:17.13 | tomiq | cast: and don't know how to shut it down... no stopx program.. |
| 06:17.21 | cahoot | Boukensya: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1170 |
| 06:17.22 | Boukensya | oh, ps aux |grep x |
| 06:17.29 | Boukensya | then killall -9 whatever |
| 06:17.48 | Boukensya | cahoot, awesome!!! thanks heaps! |
| 06:17.50 | Phoenix_Zero | what is this doing? |
| 06:17.55 | Boukensya | then aptitude install kde |
| 06:18.00 | Phoenix_Zero | kde is on there |
| 06:18.03 | Phoenix_Zero | so is gnome |
| 06:18.04 | Boukensya | its killing your x server first |
| 06:18.24 | Boukensya | okay, so you need to edit your .xinit script in your home directory |
| 06:18.27 | Phoenix_Zero | so its killall -9 (insert what here?) |
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| 06:18.43 | Phoenix_Zero | it says that .xinit is a new file |
| 06:18.56 | Boukensya | whatever info you get back from the x servers with ps aux |grep x |
| 06:19.02 | Boukensya | yeah .xinit is a new file |
| 06:19.15 | Boukensya | basically .xinit is a log on script, just tell it to load kde |
| 06:19.30 | Boukensya | I am pretty sure there is also a curses based program to do this for you, but I forgot what it is called |
| 06:19.34 | liable | .xinitrc.. |
| 06:19.40 | Boukensya | yeah thats it |
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| 06:19.57 | Phoenix_Zero | ya..um...the stuff that ps aux | grep x gave me... |
| 06:20.02 | Phoenix_Zero | dont understand it |
| 06:20.05 | jm_ | don't use .xinitrc |
| 06:20.56 | Phoenix_Zero | god I really dont understand this |
| 06:21.17 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, don't worry about that atm, basically that is just to kill your xserver, first lets sort out your logon script |
| 06:21.23 | Boukensya | why don't you aptitude install gdm |
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| 06:21.34 | Phoenix_Zero | all right well what do I put after killall -9 ? |
| 06:21.36 | liable | Boukensya: its a headless boxen. |
| 06:21.39 | Boukensya | then you can choose what you log into anytime |
| 06:21.48 | cast | Boukensya: though you're not..tar zxf certainly didnt work, dpkg-deb -x did though :> |
| 06:22.12 | Boukensya | (: |
| 06:22.23 | Phoenix_Zero | killall -9 (insert magical text here) |
| 06:22.39 | liable | xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:22.46 | liable | or xorg.. |
| 06:23.00 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: was that to me? |
| 06:23.03 | liable | yes |
| 06:23.24 | Phoenix_Zero | both replied with "no processes killed" |
| 06:23.34 | jm_ | that would be because process name is X :) |
| 06:23.51 | Phoenix_Zero | x: no processes killed |
| 06:23.55 | Boukensya | yeah you need that |
| 06:24.17 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, don't worry about killing anything at the moment, lets just install the correct packages first |
| 06:24.22 | Phoenix_Zero | allright |
| 06:24.25 | Phoenix_Zero | I want only kde on here |
| 06:24.29 | Phoenix_Zero | Ill putz around with gnome later |
| 06:24.30 | Boukensya | you need xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
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| 06:24.38 | Phoenix_Zero | well I have one of them |
| 06:24.48 | Phoenix_Zero | I mean when I can get to the damn box (its 50 miles away) I can login graphically |
| 06:24.52 | Phoenix_Zero | so I know its running one or the other |
| 06:25.00 | Boukensya | well first clean up do an aptitude remove gnome |
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| 06:25.18 | Boukensya | and then an aptitude install kdm |
| 06:25.22 | jm_ | /etc/X11/default-display-manager will show which one |
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| 06:25.50 | Phoenix_Zero | if this works Im sending hookers for all of you |
| 06:25.58 | Phoenix_Zero | Ill need your mailing addresses |
| 06:26.03 | Boukensya | as liable stats make sure you have your xserver as well |
| 06:26.19 | Phoenix_Zero | as in check which one? |
| 06:26.38 | Boukensya | ? sorry? |
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| 06:26.51 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: did you try kill x or X |
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| 06:27.02 | Phoenix_Zero | 1 /usr/bin/kdm |
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| 06:27.23 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: just tried both |
| 06:27.26 | Phoenix_Zero | neither does anything |
| 06:27.34 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, make sure you remove "aptitude remove gdm" if that is installed because kdm and gmd will fight |
| 06:27.53 | fevoldj2 | how do i uninstall something i compiled on my own? |
| 06:28.09 | Phoenix_Zero | Boukensya: done |
| 06:28.14 | liable | fevoldj2: make uninstall if your lucky. |
| 06:28.18 | Boukensya | fevoldj2, you should always use checkinstall to do a make install, that way it puts it in a nice package for you |
| 06:28.39 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, well that should be everything, too bad you can't test it now ); |
| 06:28.51 | Phoenix_Zero | ..um...why cant I test it now?> |
| 06:29.03 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, if kdm and xserver is installed you should just be able to restart and wam |
| 06:29.11 | Phoenix_Zero | um... |
| 06:29.12 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, you said you are not at the box |
| 06:29.15 | Phoenix_Zero | I just tried to vnc into it |
| 06:29.18 | Phoenix_Zero | it still went into gnome |
| 06:29.25 | Boukensya | did you remove gnome? |
| 06:29.27 | Phoenix_Zero | yes |
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| 06:29.36 | Boukensya | how did you go into gnome if it is not there? |
| 06:29.37 | liable | the meta package.. |
| 06:29.44 | liable | !remove gnome |
| 06:29.45 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 06:29.48 | Phoenix_Zero | meta whatsit now? |
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| 06:30.06 | Boukensya | meta package is a fake package |
| 06:30.15 | Boukensya | that links all these other packages |
| 06:30.41 | Phoenix_Zero | I do have root |
| 06:30.48 | Phoenix_Zero | so I can reboot it remotely if that would do anything... |
| 06:31.12 | Boukensya | just do as dpkg said first |
| 06:31.18 | Boukensya | then reboot |
| 06:31.41 | Phoenix_Zero | allrighty its rebooting |
| 06:31.44 | Phoenix_Zero | here's the part where I pray |
| 06:31.49 | Phoenix_Zero | should vnc automatically use kde now? |
| 06:32.17 | jm_ | it should start whatever default Debian X session scripts start by default |
| 06:32.55 | liable | whats the file in X11 to set the default wm? |
| 06:33.08 | jm_ | which is x-session-manager, x-window-manager and finally x-terminal-emulator |
| 06:33.14 | jm_ | liable: update-alternatives, but see above |
| 06:33.59 | Phoenix_Zero | um... |
| 06:34.04 | Phoenix_Zero | ok cool |
| 06:34.06 | Phoenix_Zero | its going to kde |
| 06:34.13 | Phoenix_Zero | now I just need to give it the correct resolution color etc |
| 06:34.15 | Boukensya | thats great Phoenix_Zero |
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| 06:34.21 | Phoenix_Zero | gah that feels better... |
| 06:34.23 | liable | jm_: ta. |
| 06:34.30 | Phoenix_Zero | one moment while I make sure I can do the whole color/res thang |
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| 06:34.34 | Boukensya | should be in /etc/X11/XF86config or XORG or somefin like that |
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| 06:34.51 | jm_ | liable: it also depends on how you start X (i.e. gdm and kdm need to be told to use Debian session for that to apply) |
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| 06:35.02 | liable | jm_: from startx |
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| 06:35.20 | Phoenix_Zero | ....hmm |
| 06:35.20 | jm_ | liable: then you're all fine (and you can always override it in ~/.xsession) |
| 06:35.28 | somedude | anyone got some info on using chinese with debian |
| 06:35.38 | Phoenix_Zero | I still cant seem to up the res... |
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| 06:36.47 | fevoldj2 | shoot |
| 06:36.53 | fevoldj2 | there is not target for make uninstall :( |
| 06:36.59 | fevoldj2 | Is there anything I can do? |
| 06:37.01 | somedude | is ubuntu better than debian |
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| 06:37.06 | FR500 | hello |
| 06:37.12 | SimonRaven | fevoldj2: you'll find that's rather common |
| 06:37.14 | FR500 | can anyone help me using TC? |
| 06:37.40 | jm_ | not hard to track what make install does and remove it by hand |
| 06:37.49 | jm_ | then there are install-trackers |
| 06:38.06 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, are you sure you have correct drivers? |
| 06:38.14 | FR500 | i have a little issue, i want to give prioroty to VoIP devices, but I can give priority to ip protocol 1 (ICMP) and both tcp and upd (6 and 17), but i don't know how to prioritize rtp |
| 06:38.29 | liable | fevoldj2: make -n, see what it installs |
| 06:38.40 | Phoenix_Zero | jm: I honestly have no damn clue anymore |
| 06:38.49 | jm_ | Phoenix_Zero: ohh that was not for you :) |
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| 06:39.03 | extr3m | how do i change the console keyboardmap ? |
| 06:39.04 | jm_ | Phoenix_Zero: either way, X logfile will tell you which resolutions are available |
| 06:39.06 | Phoenix_Zero | Boukensya: no idea... |
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| 06:39.15 | jm_ | extr3m: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 06:39.16 | Phoenix_Zero | when Im at the machine I can go to 1600 x 1200 |
| 06:39.31 | Yl^happy | ! |
| 06:39.34 | rend | whats a good 54g router to get? |
| 06:39.39 | jm_ | ahh that's probably some VNC setting then |
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| 06:40.09 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, what video card do you have? |
| 06:40.20 | extr3m | thanx |
| 06:40.26 | Phoenix_Zero | nvidia 4200 ti |
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| 06:40.34 | Phoenix_Zero | Boukensya: I had the vnc thing working last month |
| 06:40.37 | Phoenix_Zero | it worked perfectly |
| 06:40.41 | Phoenix_Zero | I was using something called krfb |
| 06:40.50 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, well what did you change that stuffed it up? |
| 06:40.58 | Phoenix_Zero | no clue |
| 06:41.10 | Phoenix_Zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.16 | jm_ | yeah RFB can be used to export running X session via VNC protocol |
| 06:41.27 | Phoenix_Zero | so how do I use it? |
| 06:41.43 | somedude | is ubuntu better than debian? |
| 06:42.00 | jm_ | start krfb? or any other RFB solution for exporting it |
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| 06:42.08 | ohsmitt | rend: anything linksys except the old WRT54g |
| 06:42.17 | Phoenix_Zero | whenever I try to start it it says "cannot connect to X server" |
| 06:42.32 | ohsmitt | rend: has a bug in UpNP |
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| 06:43.41 | jm_ | Phoenix_Zero: what exactly are you trying to do and what is the problem? I think you don't have a clear idea what you want to achieve, because so far you have been mixing a lot of things |
| 06:43.54 | Boukensya | somedude, ubuntu sux all mighty hairy balls |
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| 06:44.06 | Phoenix_Zero | I just want to be able to view the desktop (in kde) of the remote machine, in full screen with high res and good color |
| 06:44.24 | jm_ | existign desktop or a new one? |
| 06:44.28 | Phoenix_Zero | doesnt matter |
| 06:44.37 | Dyne | Hey guys, I just installed debian, and I noticed I am still on the 2.4.x kernel...How would I be able to migrate to sid to get the 2.6 Kernel? |
| 06:44.40 | rend | ohsmitt: damn... thats whats on sale for $40... i thought it was cool reprogrammed |
| 06:44.41 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, well then you need to do a "rm -rf /" PS do not do that! |
| 06:44.47 | fevoldj2 | I installed webmin with an sh script... |
| 06:44.55 | fevoldj2 | I have no clue how to uninstall it. =\ |
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| 06:45.09 | ohsmitt | rend: well I have one... it really works fine if you do the static nat |
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| 06:45.28 | valdyn_ | Dyne: sarge has and supports 2.6 kernels |
| 06:45.35 | loxley_ | Dyne: just install a 2.6 kernel when on sarge... to migrate to sid is another task |
| 06:45.40 | jm_ | Dyne: read the FAQ |
| 06:45.45 | ohsmitt | rend: I herd that the v5 of it works but mine I have to reboot once in a while |
| 06:45.56 | Dyne | Thank you, Time to hit the books...Again ;) |
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| 06:46.07 | rend | ohsmitt: then i see amazon reviews that say stay away from the v5 |
| 06:46.17 | ts2 | Is anyone using ICEWM on a laptop here? |
| 06:46.22 | Phoenix_Zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.28 | Phoenix_Zero | I swear I had this working before with krfb |
| 06:46.30 | jm_ | ts2: why does it matter if it's on a laptop? |
| 06:46.35 | ts2 | I can't figure out how to get the Battery status to show up |
| 06:46.36 | rend | ohsmitt: then i hear people say netgear only... then netgear people say get a wrt54g |
| 06:46.39 | ohsmitt | rend: strange .. I thought that was the newest one... |
| 06:46.45 | Phoenix_Zero | but when i run it it says something about not being able to connect to the x server |
| 06:46.49 | rend | ohsmitt: so then i am confused |
| 06:46.59 | rend | ohsmitt: i think v5 is the newest |
| 06:47.09 | ohsmitt | rend: oh, well I used to have a netget 802.11b and I threw it out the window |
| 06:47.14 | rend | haha |
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| 06:47.28 | ohsmitt | they don't have the good connectors for the antenna |
| 06:47.32 | Boukensya | Phoenix_Zero, I don't know, if it displays correct res when you are at the box and not when you vnc in something isn't setup correctly |
| 06:47.37 | ohsmitt | and the range was SO bad |
| 06:47.40 | Phoenix_Zero | allrighty |
| 06:47.45 | rend | ohsmitt: well i did get an airlink for $10 but thas crap so i didnt get their $25 wifi |
| 06:47.46 | Phoenix_Zero | I guess Ill keep working on this tommorow |
| 06:47.50 | Phoenix_Zero | I have to be up in 4 hours... |
| 06:47.54 | Phoenix_Zero | thanks a lot for your time folks |
| 06:47.55 | Phoenix_Zero | night |
| 06:47.57 | ohsmitt | haha |
| 06:47.58 | Boukensya | yeah, sounds like vnc type issues |
| 06:48.02 | Boukensya | lata Phoenix_Zero |
| 06:48.14 | rend | ohsmitt: so maybe a v5 would be cool for $40? i could always take it back |
| 06:48.23 | ohsmitt | rend: yea for sure |
| 06:49.00 | jm_ | ts2: in taskbar or what? |
| 06:49.29 | ts2 | jm_: yes, that's where I think it should show up |
| 06:49.40 | jm_ | ts2: it picks them up from /proc/acpi/battery |
| 06:50.05 | rend | ohsmitt: from amazon 'Versions 1 - 4 were great but version 5 is a different story' 'Don't buy version 5.0!!!!' 'The version 5 that sells Amazon does not work with VOIP, a lot of problems out there (this is the version 5). ' |
| 06:50.18 | ts2 | jm_: I know, but mine doesn't for some reason (It's readable by 'all') |
| 06:50.23 | ohsmitt | wow |
| 06:50.45 | rend | ohsmitt: see why im confused? |
| 06:51.13 | ohsmitt | rend: mine is v2 and it works with voip ... but when I used torrents overnight it gets shitty (unless I turn off upnp) |
| 06:51.27 | jm_ | ts2: do you have state or status file in there? |
| 06:51.39 | rend | voip is broken with my current POS |
| 06:51.51 | rend | i say im taking the risk |
| 06:52.05 | ohsmitt | rend: but there is some truth to what the say ... because my v2 is upgraded to v4 .. the v5 seems like a different codebase |
| 06:52.11 | ts2 | jm_: I have /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state (readable by regular users) |
| 06:52.20 | rend | only one store has a decent router without rebates tomorrow |
| 06:52.29 | rend | i may go to compusa in a bit |
| 06:52.45 | ohsmitt | you know... that is the one thing I miss most about america... |
| 06:52.53 | rend | did they try to fix the hacking in v5? |
| 06:52.58 | ohsmitt | some how hardware is always basically free |
| 06:53.04 | jm_ | ts2: does it say present: yes? |
| 06:53.23 | ts2 | jm_: it does |
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| 06:53.42 | rend | ohsmitt: like i hope to soon be my $325 15" laptop with 54g? |
| 06:54.04 | ohsmitt | haha |
| 06:54.08 | jm_ | ts2: and also present rate: and remaining capacity:? |
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| 06:55.44 | ts2 | jm_: these lines are present too; I tried adding AcpiIgnoreBatteries="" to my .icewm/preferences (and restarting) but this makes no difference |
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| 06:56.48 | ircdevil | anyone know how text is converted to ps with enscript or a2ps - is it ghostscript in the background? |
| 06:58.26 | muhoo | how do i upgrade all my python packages to 2.4? i have a ton of python2.3-foo packages, do i have to go through them all manually and do apt-get install python2.4-foo ? |
| 06:58.51 | ohsmitt | ircdevil: I don't think so .. it's a standalone app right? |
| 06:58.52 | caphuso | ircdevil: you don't need a postscript interpreter to write postscript code |
| 06:59.40 | jm_ | ts2: tried enabling TaskBarShowAPMStatus? |
| 06:59.58 | loxley_ | muhoo: i think so, yes.. but other programs might be depending on older versions of python perhaps.. |
| 07:00.05 | ircdevil | caphuso: i would like to convert a piece of text to postscript fulsize a4. however, enscript and a2ps introduces a margin that cannot be set to the size of a4 ... |
| 07:00.16 | ircdevil | caphuso: trying to find a workaround here |
| 07:00.55 | muhoo | loxley_: that, um, really sucks. |
| 07:01.18 | muhoo | oh well i suppose i'll write a quick shell script. can't be that hard. |
| 07:01.58 | ts2 | jm_: thanks! that helped |
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| 07:02.13 | jm_ | ts2: it looks like default preferences file and documentation are outdated ;) |
| 07:02.50 | muhoo | damn i love how debian can do a libc upgrade on a live system without any noticeable ill effect |
| 07:03.39 | loxley_ | muhoo: maybe deborphan will assist you |
| 07:04.16 | SimonRaven | muhoo: amazing, innit |
| 07:04.29 | caphuso | ircdevil: enscript -B --margins=-5:-5:-5:-5 seems to work |
| 07:04.47 | ircdevil | caphuso: lemme test! |
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| 07:05.00 | SimonRaven | hi caphuso |
| 07:05.02 | caphuso | ircdevil: will look like crap when you print it |
| 07:05.20 | caphuso | SimonRaven: g'morning |
| 07:06.11 | SimonRaven | that was a lot less painful than last time bless $deity, and some forethought |
| 07:06.47 | ircdevil | caphuso: ok - this was what i needed. thanks |
| 07:06.55 | SimonRaven | was easier to just plop in the new upstream, and diff that against current cvs... |
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| 07:08.13 | zero-1 | im having probles while runin java programs, I am able to compile and everything with no problem but when i do java class it wont run |
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| 07:08.41 | zero-1 | do i need gcj to work with java? |
| 07:08.48 | zero-1 | i already have jdk and jre |
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| 07:09.02 | jm_ | maybe you just need to set JAVA_HOME |
| 07:09.08 | ircdevil | caphuso: how come it will it looks bad when printed - printer margins not calibrated? |
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| 07:10.02 | zero-1 | shouldjava home point to jdk or jre ? |
| 07:10.09 | deadcat | seems to me theres a kernel come out every freakin week |
| 07:10.22 | caphuso | ircdevil: well, first of all: printers typically require some margin, so stuff will get cut off, and secondly: such a page layout is incredibly hard to read |
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| 07:10.48 | cirdan | hey, anyone using kernel 2.6 with software raid5? |
| 07:10.56 | deadcat | no |
| 07:11.01 | ircdevil | caphuso: its for a front cover - it going to be sent some some professional press - i sure hope they dont have trouble with such |
| 07:11.36 | jm_ | it's set to JRE on my system, but that's because I only have JRE installed |
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| 07:11.45 | jm_ | you probably don't need both either |
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| 07:12.17 | zero-1 | ok let me set JAVA_HOME |
| 07:12.38 | jm_ | another one is CLASSPATH |
| 07:12.44 | lekvar | 4~PGRLEewqd[D[B[C[D[B[A[D[C[A[D[D |
| 07:12.52 | lekvar | sorry - cat! |
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| 07:13.25 | zero-1 | where should classpath point to? |
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| 07:13.49 | strokey| | hi ;x |
| 07:14.07 | jm_ | that's app dependant - wherever its jar files are |
| 07:15.21 | strokey| | i use ubuntu, what goes on debain (unless im retarded.. which is possible) and i saw something on the debian site what had my USB wireless stick on it, but it was souce |
| 07:15.25 | strokey| | can anyone help me? :x |
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| 07:16.21 | Ck` | how i will share a folder ? |
| 07:16.41 | Ck` | how i will give the sharing permission to a Folder ? |
| 07:17.05 | ohsmitt | Ck`: you have to install samba |
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| 07:18.41 | Ck` | ohsmitt, i m using Fedora Core 4 , |
| 07:18.46 | Ck` | how to install the Samba ? |
| 07:18.49 | RoundQube | Ck`and? |
| 07:18.51 | ohsmitt | you are in the wrong chanel |
| 07:18.58 | RoundQube | Ck` get the rpm and yes, wrong channel |
| 07:19.17 | Ck` | sorry for the wrong channel |
| 07:19.30 | Ck` | would u like to tell me where should i ask for my problem ? |
| 07:19.35 | ohsmitt | #fedora |
| 07:20.13 | caphuso | no, it's linspire |
| 07:20.39 | ohsmitt | thats the fedora channel? |
| 07:21.18 | Ck` | i try in the #fedora channel but no one is talking on that channel |
| 07:21.31 | plbgnr | hello, what shall I do when by installing new package I get messages that libraries like glibc are needed in newer version but won't be installed? thx |
| 07:21.34 | Ck` | someone told me ask for help in #debian |
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| 07:21.54 | nkuttler | Ck`: who told you so? |
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| 07:22.41 | SimonRaven | someone trolling him/her, that's who, or fucking with his/her head |
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| 07:23.49 | relic|AFK | hello? |
| 07:24.32 | SimonRaven | goodbye? |
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| 07:24.58 | Ck` | someone told me .. i dont remeber in #linux channel |
| 07:25.49 | SimonRaven | doesn't matter, point is YHBT by someone |
| 07:26.42 | ircdevil | how to get this -> The default escape character is ^@ (octal 000); |
| 07:27.18 | nkuttler | hm, in irssi is there a key to scroll down completely? |
| 07:27.29 | ircdevil | nkuttler: "end" |
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| 07:28.07 | ircdevil | nkuttler: wrong. nm |
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| 07:29.07 | ohsmitt | if I do; dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb will that create all the proper partitions on the drive? |
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| 07:29.16 | ohsmitt | it should right? |
| 07:29.17 | Ck` | what should i do now ? |
| 07:29.32 | Ck` | how do to share my folder ? |
| 07:29.32 | SimonRaven | go to #fedora... |
| 07:29.40 | SimonRaven | or #samba |
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| 07:30.02 | ohsmitt | Ck`: it's too early in the morning for this ;) |
| 07:30.10 | Ck` | i try alot of times in #fedora but they wont answer of my question |
| 07:30.21 | ohsmitt | Ck`: wait about 5 hours |
| 07:30.35 | Ck` | Lolzz |
| 07:30.45 | Ck` | okeiz let me Wait .. |
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| 07:31.52 | ShockSMX | hey, kde crashed on me when i was exiting it |
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| 07:31.56 | ircdevil | how do i get the char -> ^@ (octal 000); ? |
| 07:32.01 | ShockSMX | would there be a log of that somewhere? |
| 07:32.04 | ShockSMX | a log of what went wrong? |
| 07:32.06 | zero-1 | i set up JAVA_HOME, but still not working when i do JAVA_HOME on konsole it does an error |
| 07:32.07 | Ck` | :) |
| 07:32.07 | Ck` | Thank'S ohsmitt |
| 07:32.08 | ShockSMX | where could i look? |
| 07:32.11 | Ck` | ohsmitt, may i talk with u in Private :P~ |
| 07:32.22 | caphuso | ircdevil: where? |
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| 07:32.51 | SimonRaven | ShockSMX: ~/.xsession-errors for starters |
| 07:33.17 | ircdevil | caphuso: in bash ctrl-v ctrl-@ gives ^[ |
| 07:33.24 | caphuso | ircdevil: forget it |
| 07:33.26 | sep | plbgnr, the package you install is not made for your running system. or you have a messed up sources.list. |
| 07:33.34 | ShockSMX | SimonRaven: thanks i'll try that |
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| 07:36.05 | Ck` | ? |
| 07:36.10 | Ck` | wat abt my problem ? |
| 07:37.13 | zero-1 | did you installed java using the fakeroot as the channel say or did you uncompress the binary ? |
| 07:37.15 | ShockSMX | hmm, i'm not seeing much there |
| 07:37.34 | jm_ | zero-1: java-package |
| 07:37.50 | ircdevil | caphuso: cant seem to get the color escape to do what i want with enscript |
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| 07:38.53 | tzafrir_laptop | hi, I'm trying to run a etwork installation and run into strange errors with downloading files: http error 416 all of a sudden |
| 07:39.22 | takatumi | nkuttler: /bind end scroll_end |
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| 07:39.29 | caphuso | ircdevil: and why do you need to input NUL in bash for that? |
| 07:40.10 | tzafrir_laptop | httpd is apache 1.3 of Sarge. installer is network installer of Sarge. Digging a bit further I noticed that the mime type of a debian package (according to wget) was: |
| 07:40.13 | nkuttler | takatumi: thanks, "/bind end /scrollback end" |
| 07:40.14 | tzafrir_laptop | Length: 74,914 [application/x-archive\030\010\250\353\377\277c\3523@\y\030\010-d\021\010\350c\021\010\314c\021\010\001\020application/x-debian-package |
| 07:40.23 | plbgnr | sep: ok thanx but how? I added unstable and experimental repos. but it doesn't help.(I have apt.conf file with default conf. stable too ...is that problem?) |
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| 07:40.57 | tzafrir_laptop | Seems like some Hebrew characters managed to sneak in from somewhere. I just can't figure out from where they snuk in. |
| 07:41.01 | ircdevil | caphuso: it says i need an --escape and then the command which is prefixed with ^@ which is "\000" |
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| 07:41.14 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: do you know what 416 means? |
| 07:41.22 | ircdevil | otherwise i have completely misunderstood this |
| 07:41.40 | tzafrir_laptop | jm: "out of range" |
| 07:42.01 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: right, so check what it gets in the request |
| 07:42.28 | takatumi | nkuttler: nah, your Q intrigued me, nothing more than 1024x768 15" ;) |
| 07:42.37 | tzafrir_laptop | wget and 'busybox wget' (of a later busybox) have no problem getting that file |
| 07:42.41 | nkuttler | oh, ok :) |
| 07:43.00 | caphuso | ircdevil: no, you need to put those escapes in the file |
| 07:43.04 | SimonRaven | x-debian-package is what's in /etc/mime.types |
| 07:43.07 | tzafrir_laptop | This seems to be the first deb that the installer tries to fetch |
| 07:43.20 | ircdevil | caphuso: in the ps file? |
| 07:43.29 | caphuso | ircdevil: the text file |
| 07:43.29 | nkuttler | takatumi: /scrollback end works as well |
| 07:43.39 | nkuttler | obviously... |
| 07:43.43 | ircdevil | wild |
| 07:44.18 | caphuso | think of it like some crude markup language |
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| 07:45.50 | gregorovius | any cinelerra users around? |
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| 07:47.59 | ircdevil | !beer caphuso |
| 07:48.15 | ircdevil | caphuso: correct you are :o) |
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| 07:48.20 | ShockSMX | how can i get ls to print a page at a time instead of the whole dir contents |
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| 07:48.58 | Phated | | less? |
| 07:49.18 | ShockSMX | ah, less. thanks |
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| 07:50.06 | sep | arrgh |
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| 07:51.45 | tzafrir_laptop | I have no problem downloading it manually with wget |
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| 07:52.23 | tzafrir_laptop | Looking at the server log, I see that it gets downloaded always twice: first time: response is 416, second time: 200 |
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| 07:58.48 | CSMan | anybody with experience building drivers ? |
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| 08:02.44 | ShockSMX | the last thing in /var/log/messages is a little error with the sound card |
| 08:03.04 | ShockSMX | could that freeze the whole thing up? |
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| 08:04.18 | deadcat | CSMan: just ask your q |
| 08:04.40 | tzafrir_laptop | replaced apache with thttpd. now the installer seems to "get it" |
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| 08:07.16 | tzafrir_laptop | CSMan, what's the problem? |
| 08:08.28 | CSMan | deadcat: well apparently an struct is not defined |
| 08:08.30 | CSMan | 1 sec |
| 08:09.00 | CSMan | #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < 0x020415 |
| 08:09.00 | CSMan | //owner = THIS_MODULE, |
| 08:09.03 | CSMan | #endif |
| 08:09.09 | CSMan | i commented the owner line |
| 08:09.27 | CSMan | which gives : unknown field owner |
| 08:09.40 | CSMan | and it's not = but : |
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| 08:11.34 | liable | try #C or something. |
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| 08:12.05 | CSMan | k |
| 08:12.07 | omry | hi. I want to delete all files that exist one dir from another dir. I try something like : dir1$ find | xargs -i rm "/dir2/{}" , but the spaces in dirs mess it up. how can I escape them? |
| 08:12.17 | sep | gnome works with vesa it workes with nvidia, but it crashes on nv driver. are there some cards that are just not working well with the nv driver |
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| 08:12.37 | alumno | helooo |
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| 08:12.42 | dani | olaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:12.59 | juanito | ola |
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| 08:13.06 | juanito | dani capullo |
| 08:13.08 | liable | !ops rima attack! |
| 08:13.09 | dani | os ago un test |
| 08:13.11 | tzafrir_laptop | omry, you seem to cinfuse some syntaxes |
| 08:13.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: rima attack! |
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| 08:13.20 | alumno | capullos |
| 08:13.23 | ma3x | could someone help me please? |
| 08:13.29 | dani | os agos un test |
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| 08:13.32 | juanito | mongolosssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 08:13.32 | omry | tzafrir_laptop, how so? |
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| 08:13.46 | sep | !ask |
| 08:13.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:13.49 | helix | god, how many are there? |
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| 08:13.56 | fireedo | hello |
| 08:13.57 | streuner | ma3x: heh, you should know the procedure now, shouldn't you? ;-) |
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| 08:14.07 | ma3x | on euro26.ch I am looking for santa clause |
| 08:14.07 | liable | helix: cheers. |
| 08:14.10 | ma3x | but I can't find him |
| 08:14.10 | jm_ | helix: ops? not enough, but thanks :) |
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| 08:14.17 | ma3x | if I find a picture of him, I will win |
| 08:14.19 | ma3x | it's a competition |
| 08:14.21 | liable | heh |
| 08:14.23 | ma3x | but I can't bloody see him |
| 08:14.28 | ma3x | they've hidden it somehow |
| 08:14.34 | omry | tzafrir_laptop, try : find | xargs -i echo rm /dir2/{} |
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| 08:14.42 | ma3x | I even checked the source of the page, nothing :( |
| 08:14.49 | ma3x | it's called St. Nikolaus |
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| 08:15.02 | fireedo | sorry I'm noob in linux can anybody tells me does debian (sarge) do automounting when we inserting e.g: CD,DVD, USB flashdisk? thanx in advance :) |
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| 08:15.14 | ke6isf | helix: I originally put an ignore on all of rima-tde.net just to be sure. |
| 08:15.20 | ma3x | liable, can ya help out? |
| 08:15.21 | tzafrir_laptop | use find -print0 ? |
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| 08:15.34 | jm_ | fireedo: GNOME can do that, otherwise you can always use autofs and/or usbmount |
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| 08:15.40 | streuner | ke6isf: its the biggest ISP in span, AFAIK... |
| 08:15.50 | streuner | s/span/spain/ |
| 08:15.54 | fireedo | jm_:thanx a lot |
| 08:16.19 | ke6isf | streuner: So maybe a +b on the entire domain would be non-optimal. Problem is, though, that eventually you'll have banned all the dynamic dialins. You can't win for losing. =O.o= |
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| 08:17.13 | streuner | ke6isf: we had this problem some time ago, it solved by itself... |
| 08:17.13 | omry | tzafrir_laptop, its says it will null terminate the strings. why will that help? |
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| 08:17.32 | ke6isf | streuner: Indeed. They just stopped, I presume? |
| 08:17.51 | tzafrir_laptop | xargs should have its own switch to use null-terminated inputs rather than lines |
| 08:18.19 | streuner | ke6isf: well, some troll joined us every morning (GMT) |
| 08:18.19 | jm_ | it does have it |
| 08:18.36 | liable | ma3x: heh, i dont think so. :) |
| 08:18.43 | ma3x | liable, did you check the site? |
| 08:18.50 | streuner | ke6isf: later her/his TLD wasn't from spain then... |
| 08:18.54 | ma3x | I can't see a bloody logo of St. Nikolaus there |
| 08:19.42 | liable | ma3x: no, i dont believe in santa :P |
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| 08:20.08 | ke6isf | liable: Ah, but do you believe in Toledo? |
| 08:20.09 | ma3x | liable, I don't believe either but i want to win that backpack |
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| 08:20.43 | liable | ke6isf: whats toledo? |
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| 08:20.58 | liable | ma3x: then dont try and get me to do the work for you :P |
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| 08:21.00 | rtweaga | hey guys, |
| 08:21.02 | ke6isf | liable: Never mind, it's a Stan Freberg reference. =^_^= |
| 08:21.25 | liable | oh, /me shows his lack of culture.. |
| 08:21.45 | ma3x | liable, its impossible to find |
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| 08:22.18 | poonj | I have no idea what is going on with my debian system. but when I boot up, none of my modules are loaded and seem to have a problem with the system. I didn't upgrade my kernel, but I may have (I don't remember, since I didn't use the machine for 2 weeks) did an apt-get upgrade. However, when I load up the system and do a lsmod, I get QM_MODULES no implemented |
| 08:22.37 | jm_ | try /msg dpkg qm_modules |
| 08:22.39 | liable | haha, blame udev! |
| 08:22.40 | ke6isf | poonj: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 08:22.49 | poonj | sarge |
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| 08:22.57 | poonj | is it udev? |
| 08:23.12 | liable | qmmaybe not, but blame it anyway.. :) |
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| 08:23.25 | poonj | I'm using the unstable tree |
| 08:23.42 | ke6isf | poonj: Are you using Sarge or unstable? |
| 08:23.47 | poonj | unstable |
| 08:23.54 | poonj | I get the testing/unstable login title |
| 08:24.00 | poonj | folds? |
| 08:24.01 | ke6isf | !unstable |
| 08:24.01 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 08:24.05 | liable | poonj: make up your mind.. |
| 08:24.21 | poonj | liable: testing/unstable |
| 08:24.33 | liable | poonj: whats in sources list? |
| 08:25.09 | ke6isf | poonj: In poker, to fold is to give up your hand because you don't believe you'll win the round. As such, in here, if I fold, that means I'm backing off - because if I try and solve your problem, I'll be spouting nonsense. |
| 08:25.12 | poonj | yes |
| 08:25.14 | poonj | I know that |
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| 08:25.24 | poonj | liable: unstable tree |
| 08:25.25 | deadcat | poonj: i think module-init-tools is somewhat broken i think |
| 08:25.28 | liable | !lose poonj |
| 08:25.29 | dpkg | poonj: You Lose. |
| 08:25.48 | poonj | deadcat: okay, I'll try to revert to the old package |
| 08:26.02 | poonj | deadcat: so its a module-init-tools issue? |
| 08:26.08 | ke6isf | poonj: That said, "sarge", "unstable tree", and "testing" are three vastly different things. However, if you tell me that you are using Sarge, but using the unstable tree, I'm led to believe you are mixing trees. Is this correct? |
| 08:26.32 | deadcat | poonj: maybe. try to do another update and see if module-init-tools shows up as upgradable or not |
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| 08:26.39 | poonj | okay |
| 08:26.45 | poonj | I'll look into that, thanks |
| 08:26.59 | nima | Can someone help me with issue on setting up gpg on apt repos. ? |
| 08:27.22 | deadcat | poonj: did you fix ash's mail problem? |
| 08:27.28 | ke6isf | nima: Try simply asking the question, instead of asking if somebody can help. You'll get a better answer that way. |
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| 08:28.08 | nima | In short... apt-get update to my repos returns a W: GPG error: http://...Release: The following signatures |
| 08:28.09 | nima | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.11 | konfuzed | ok i havent had much time but I finally got the apt-get unstable working |
| 08:28.26 | deadcat | konfuzed: no such thing |
| 08:28.34 | konfuzed | the dependency installs are working like a charm. |
| 08:28.39 | nima | ke6isf: point taken :) |
| 08:28.47 | konfuzed | thanks |
| 08:28.57 | fireedo | suse,ubuntu,slackware and debian.....which one guys? help me please.....I really don't know :( |
| 08:29.05 | deadcat | windows |
| 08:29.14 | ke6isf | fireedo: Neither. OS/2 Warp 4. |
| 08:29.22 | fireedo | LOL |
| 08:29.26 | konfuzed | fireedo: I must tell you debian for server |
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| 08:29.36 | konfuzed | and bunt anything for desktop |
| 08:29.37 | streuner | fireedo: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 08:29.42 | ke6isf | fireedo: Come on, you're asking in #debian. What kind of answer do you think you should get? |
| 08:29.43 | fireba11 | "take number three my lord" (tm zoidberg) |
| 08:29.43 | liable | hrm, i must of missed the changelog about aptitude giving a score on upgradeable packages.. |
| 08:30.05 | deadcat | nah bitch. windows for server and slackware for desktop |
| 08:30.07 | konfuzed | fireedo: truly I just dropped SuSE |
| 08:30.13 | fireedo | I'm sorry .....but I'm so corious about debian |
| 08:30.15 | konfuzed | my life has turned to heavan |
| 08:30.18 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 08:30.21 | Buddha| | fireedo - I'd go with either Debian or Slackware. I'm running Debian on my desktop right now, and love it. |
| 08:30.26 | deadcat | ke6isf: hes getting the wrong one.. at least from me |
| 08:30.28 | streuner | fireedo: debian is just fine for desktop-systems, i personally run it over years |
| 08:30.29 | Buddha| | with WindowMaker as my desktop |
| 08:30.40 | deadcat | Buddha|: stop whining |
| 08:30.44 | fireedo | wow... :) |
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| 08:30.59 | Buddha| | deadcat - um, whining? |
| 08:31.03 | ke6isf | fireedo: I'm running Debian on a server and a desktop. WOrks wonderfully. |
| 08:31.07 | nima | Anyone here had experience with setting up gpg with apt repositories? |
| 08:31.12 | deadcat | Buddha|: you're whining about wmaker (= |
| 08:31.17 | ShockSMX | debian is great, fireedo, it's just a bit unorganized as far as configuration of stuff |
| 08:31.32 | fireedo | thanx a lot for all the comment....I think I will burn my debian ISO image now...tehn install it for the first time :) |
| 08:31.32 | deadcat | nima: no. |
| 08:31.33 | ShockSMX | this i can tell from my 1-2 day debian experience. getting used to it a bit. |
| 08:31.39 | Buddha| | deadcat - no, I wasn't. I was praising it. It's my favorite WM. |
| 08:31.47 | sep | fireba11, i use debian on desktop and servers. running it on your desktop is great becouse then you learn witch you need on your servers. |
| 08:31.58 | nima | Is there a channel for debian developers who are not `officially' debian developers then? |
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| 08:32.08 | streuner | fireedo: if you wanna see how debian looks as desktop-system just ask 'deadcat' for a screenshot - you'll see some wonderful ways how debian looks like ;-) |
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| 08:32.42 | sep | ShockSMX, unorganiced configuration ? it's allways "dpkg-reconfigure packagename", name one distro that is more organized then that :) |
| 08:32.47 | ke6isf | !tell nima -about sicco |
| 08:32.50 | liable | fireedo: if you want it to "just work (TM)" try ubuntu or something, if you like to learn a bit in the process, use debian. |
| 08:32.51 | fireedo | streuner:deadcat? |
| 08:32.52 | nima | hmmm, bitchx just segfaulted on me :/ |
| 08:33.12 | streuner | fireedo: deadcat! |
| 08:33.12 | cast | nima: i#### |
| 08:33.14 | ShockSMX | sep: it's not just that, there's also things like update-alternatives |
| 08:33.22 | liable | nima: good time to install irssi-text :) |
| 08:33.25 | fireedo | liable:I think I want to learn something...so I will take debian :) |
| 08:33.28 | ircdevil | oh no - the concrete drilling has started |
| 08:33.29 | deadcat | i am confused |
| 08:33.30 | ircdevil | gaaah |
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| 08:33.47 | nima | :) |
| 08:33.50 | streuner | deadcat: heh, just give us an URL... |
| 08:33.55 | fireedo | deadcat: hello |
| 08:33.59 | bibe | nima : try sending another message with a ` in it |
| 08:34.10 | deadcat | streuner: url for what? |
| 08:34.10 | deadcat | oh |
| 08:34.13 | deadcat | screenshots (= |
| 08:34.17 | streuner | yeah |
| 08:34.19 | sep | ShockSMX, true but that's not package configuration that's users's preferences on what tools to use for what task |
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| 08:34.31 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ |
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| 08:34.47 | fireedo | thanx :) |
| 08:34.51 | deadcat | one level up is some old wm (wmaker, fluxbox) |
| 08:34.52 | ShockSMX | fuck, kde hangs when i log into it as root |
| 08:34.54 | konfuzed | <--- jumps in glee with happy running installs apt-get nearly does it all |
| 08:35.05 | ShockSMX | i mean, it hangs later, not when i log in, but when i'm logging out |
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| 08:35.27 | ShockSMX | doesn't respond to ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 08:35.37 | ShockSMX | i don't get this problem |
| 08:35.50 | ShockSMX | as a regular user i don't get this problem |
| 08:36.06 | ke6isf | ShockSMX: So don't do that. |
| 08:36.10 | ke6isf | !run stuff as root |
| 08:36.10 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 08:36.12 | fireedo | ok |
| 08:36.24 | ke6isf | OK, that's the wrong factoid. |
| 08:36.38 | ShockSMX | ke6isf: yeah, i know, but i can't just avoid all problesm |
| 08:36.40 | Buddha| | deadcat - Openbox? sweet |
| 08:36.54 | ShockSMX | i'd feel safer knowing that i fixed a problem |
| 08:36.56 | ke6isf | ShockSMX: Well, why do you want to log in using KDE as root? |
| 08:37.08 | ShockSMX | well, what if i do it by accident at some point |
| 08:37.14 | sep | ShockSMX, i have something similar on gnome. but it only happen when i run the nv driver on a card that's to new |
| 08:37.20 | poonj | deadcat: I didn't look at it. they called me at like 12AM the night before, and I was busy with my own work. However, ash looked into it and it seems as though something is up with the virus scanning complaining about not having enough disk space. however, there is space left on the drive. The system was giving fsck warnings, so I have a feeling the HD is dying |
| 08:37.23 | sep | (i think that's whats happeneing) |
| 08:37.28 | ShockSMX | sep: my stuff is old |
| 08:37.30 | deadcat | Buddha|: oh ya (= |
| 08:37.32 | poonj | so we'll see, but I think he's going to go in to do a fsck to see if that helps |
| 08:37.34 | ke6isf | ShockSMX: It's a little hard to do that by accident. |
| 08:37.50 | ShockSMX | ke6isf: i'm a klutz, everything is bound to happen by accident here |
| 08:38.03 | Buddha| | deadcat - I keep switching between WindowMaker, Xfce, Enlightenment 16, Openbox, and Ion3 |
| 08:38.15 | Buddha| | I think I'm forgetting one... |
| 08:38.17 | deadcat | poonj: ya. i tried helping bout cant get amavis and clamav to create the socket )=. maybe out of inode |
| 08:38.18 | ke6isf | ShockSMX: Then slow down a touch. |
| 08:38.24 | ShockSMX | good point |
| 08:38.30 | ShockSMX | by default i know, i will not be logging into it with root anyway |
| 08:38.35 | ShockSMX | but it still seems bad to have that issue there |
| 08:38.40 | deadcat | Buddha|: wmaker -> fluxbox -> openbox and i am staying hehe |
| 08:38.48 | Buddha| | Oh! WindowLab. How could I forget that? |
| 08:38.54 | ShockSMX | i don't know where else it will crop up |
| 08:38.55 | ke6isf | ShockSMX: What version of Debian? |
| 08:38.59 | ShockSMX | sarge |
| 08:39.20 | ke6isf | ShockSMX: File a bug, maybe? |
| 08:39.23 | nima | Ok, now can someone direct me to a channel where I may have more luck - I need help on setting up GPG on an apt repository, error being `BADSIG'. |
| 08:39.30 | tzafrir_laptop | BTW: I just needed to manually copy the basic IDE disk modules(e.g: ide-generic.ko) to PXE-based installation. what did I miss? where should they come from in a typical installation? |
| 08:39.35 | ShockSMX | ke6isf: i don't know how. i have ~2 days experience with linux. |
| 08:39.36 | Buddha| | deadcat - ever tried WindowLab? |
| 08:39.41 | deadcat | nope |
| 08:39.49 | ke6isf | !tell ShockSMX -about bts |
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| 08:39.54 | liable | nima: try another repo, and see what gives. |
| 08:39.59 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: where? from the installation media obviously |
| 08:40.00 | ke6isf | nima: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 08:40.03 | ShockSMX | thanks, i'll take a look |
| 08:40.15 | liable | nima: where else yopu think you get help for apt :) |
| 08:40.22 | ke6isf | nima: Without concise information, we will be unable to help you. Also, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 08:40.47 | Buddha| | deadcat - http://www.nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/ |
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| 08:40.49 | nima | consise: W: GPG error: http://debian.ntrust.net.au Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F11FED775DC9F099 Nima Talebi <nima@it.net.au> |
| 08:41.10 | fireedo | so I have to use autofs to make KDE on debian able to do automounting? |
| 08:41.27 | tzafrir_laptop | hmmm.... the udes of the netboot dist I used don't have them. Maybe because they expected them to be in the initrd? |
| 08:41.28 | deadcat | Buddha|: its the theme.. i found this nice theme on openbox |
| 08:41.50 | tzafrir_laptop | fireedo, automount what exactly? |
| 08:42.11 | deadcat | wow dillo is using xft (= |
| 08:42.47 | fireedo | automount like CD, DVD and USB flashdisk so I don't have to do type "mount" or "umount" |
| 08:42.50 | ShockSMX | happy thanksgiving, by the way, everyone |
| 08:42.57 | ShockSMX | thanks for the help, i'm a little tired. i'm going to bed. |
| 08:43.07 | plbgnr | can anybody give me advice what to do if package I want to install requires newer version of libc6? |
| 08:43.11 | ke6isf | nima: OK, so we know you're using Debian. What version? You're trying to do an apt-get update? What causes this problem, and has anything changed on your system? |
| 08:43.27 | tzafrir_laptop | fireedo, I was told that 'hal' is worth a check for that |
| 08:43.56 | fireedo | HAL? so I have to use "GNOME"? |
| 08:44.08 | streuner | plbgnr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 08:44.09 | tzafrir_laptop | does it require gnome? |
| 08:44.23 | Guerin | fireedo: you can use automount, which is a kernel patch |
| 08:44.28 | streuner | gnome-volume-manager needs 'hal'... |
| 08:44.30 | fireedo | hmm..I don't know... |
| 08:44.35 | deadcat | dillo + ssl support? nice heheh |
| 08:44.36 | nima | ke6isf: It's not my debian client, it's my repository that is the problem... It is running debian sarge, I can get and install the packages fine if I tell apt to ignore gpg signatures, but I would like to get them working. |
| 08:44.38 | fireedo | oic |
| 08:44.59 | Buddha| | deadcat - I just wish Openbox had tabs |
| 08:45.05 | liable | nima: um, no, sarge doesnt have apt-0.6.. |
| 08:45.12 | tzafrir_laptop | streuner, so gnome uses it. But not necesserily the other way around |
| 08:45.21 | ke6isf | nima: Ah, OK, that clarifies everything. |
| 08:45.24 | deadcat | Buddha|: oh.. ya. but i dont use it. for terminal i have SCREEN. |
| 08:45.29 | nima | the debian server is sarge, client is sid |
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| 08:45.37 | Guerin | Buddha|: it does. You have to use <alt> as well |
| 08:45.41 | plbgnr | streuner: ...:ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 08:45.45 | plbgnr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.45 | fireedo | ahh....I think the easy way is to install both of them :) |
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| 08:46.09 | Guerin | where is .sk? |
| 08:46.15 | ke6isf | !sk |
| 08:46.22 | plbgnr | Guerin:Slovakia |
| 08:46.24 | streuner | Guerin: slowakia |
| 08:46.35 | Guerin | i see. |
| 08:46.38 | streuner | plbgnr: /j #flood |
| 08:46.47 | ke6isf | !sk is Slovakia. |
| 08:46.47 | dpkg | ke6isf: okay |
| 08:46.55 | Guerin | plbgnr: suggest you use one of the hundred or so other mirrors within 1000km of you |
| 08:47.04 | nima | ke6isf: Sorry if I am missing out vital info, please let me know and I will clarify as much as I can |
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| 08:47.14 | Buddha| | deadcat - When I use Fluxbox or Ion3, I use tabs for more than grouping terminals. It's also nice for keeping multiple Firefox windows together, when I'm browsing several art sites and I don't want 25+ tabs in a single window. |
| 08:47.18 | SlashX1896 | Hey |
| 08:47.39 | SlashX1896 | I need help getting interent on knoppix through a linksys router, anynoe? |
| 08:47.41 | Buddha| | Guerin - It does? I'll have to check it out sometime. thanks. |
| 08:47.42 | SlashX1896 | anyone* |
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| 08:47.48 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: Try asking in #knoppix. |
| 08:47.49 | fireedo | deadcat:what kind of your monitor so can display widely ? :) |
| 08:48.02 | tzafrir_laptop | Buddha|, galeon has nice way of handling tabs between windows |
| 08:48.02 | deadcat | Buddha|: thats true |
| 08:48.15 | SlashX1896 | ke6isf: i have beforem and no one answerd |
| 08:48.21 | deadcat | fireedo: ? clarify |
| 08:48.22 | SlashX1896 | before* |
| 08:48.30 | streuner | plbgnr: just show us your sources.list - use paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) or /j #flood |
| 08:48.35 | fireedo | deadcat: inch? your monitor |
| 08:48.35 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: Nobody's going to help in here, though - this channel does not support Knoppix. |
| 08:48.43 | zzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.46 | SlashX1896 | ugh, alrite |
| 08:48.46 | fireedo | it's SO great |
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| 08:48.55 | bubblegumbaby19 | hi everyone |
| 08:49.20 | deadcat | fireedo: oh. the filename has the dimension of the display |
| 08:49.23 | SlashX1896 | maybe they will asnwer me this time.. |
| 08:49.29 | poonj | deadcat: I'm pretty sure its a hard drive problem |
| 08:49.37 | Buddha| | tzafrir_laptop - it does? what's that? |
| 08:49.40 | fireedo | WOW....that's awesome :) |
| 08:49.46 | Guerin | zzz: this is a generic apache question |
| 08:49.48 | SlashX1896 | ke6isf: if no one helps, do u know anywhere else i can go for help? |
| 08:49.55 | poonj | deadcat: I mean, that thing is about 7-8 years old running full time, so I wouldn't be surprised at something being wrong with it |
| 08:50.02 | Guerin | zzz: consult httpd.apache.org or #apache |
| 08:50.03 | deadcat | poonj: ya. since its been so long. and the last time i was there i think there was problem with fsck during bootup |
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| 08:50.11 | Buddha| | deadcat - you installed Debian on your iBook? I could have used your help two weeks ago when I did the same. |
| 08:50.15 | Guerin | SlashX1896: you can always install debian, and then we'll try to help you |
| 08:50.18 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: Anywhere else in the Knoppix support base, I'd guess. Check on the Knoppix website for support. That's the first thing I'd do. |
| 08:50.28 | Buddha| | deadcat - my iBook is back to OSX now, though. |
| 08:50.29 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: Or, you can follow Guerin's advice. =^_^= |
| 08:50.30 | poonj | deadcat: yeah...I haven't really looked at the system for a few years, about 3 in fact, so I'm actually surprised the damn thing is running ;) |
| 08:50.34 | deadcat | Buddha|: ya. first thing i do. (= |
| 08:50.45 | SlashX1896 | what exactly is debian?, im new with all this linux stuff and whatnot |
| 08:50.45 | deadcat | Buddha|: osx is useless to me. |
| 08:50.46 | tzafrir_laptop | in the application rather than in the window manager: allows you to easily move tabs between windows. I don't know why other browsers miss this |
| 08:50.53 | ke6isf | !tell SlashX1896 -about debian |
| 08:50.58 | Guerin | SlashX1896: read debian.org |
| 08:50.58 | bubblegumbaby19 | hi everyone |
| 08:50.59 | deadcat | poonj: linux hehehe |
| 08:51.08 | poonj | deadcat: I need knoppix to copy a new version of module-init-utils |
| 08:51.17 | poonj | and I can't burn a cd right now! |
| 08:51.24 | Buddha| | deadcat - heh. I'm starting to get annoyed with the OSX GUI again already... |
| 08:51.36 | nima | SlashX1896: Debian is a linux distribution, like redhat and another few hundred, see http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html |
| 08:51.36 | Buddha| | tzafrir_laptop - Firefox 1.5 will be able to do that. |
| 08:51.39 | poonj | anyhow, I'll keep you posted, but it looks like that is probably the problem |
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| 08:51.46 | fireedo | is that true if "etch" will use "YAST"? |
| 08:51.48 | poonj | I looked at the output this time looking for that |
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| 08:51.51 | nvz | SlashX1896: debian is a software distribution. the current stable version 3.1 is codenamed Sarge, includes over 14,000 software packages compliant with the Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 08:51.52 | deadcat | k |
| 08:52.33 | deadcat | Buddha|: ya. the expose is nice. i wish i get that in linux. theres skippy. but it is shit software.. the author is a cunt. fucker |
| 08:53.07 | bubblegumbaby19 | #flood |
| 08:53.09 | plbgnr | streuner:http://pastebin.com/437579 |
| 08:53.11 | Guerin | apple developer is a twat! shock! horror! |
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| 08:53.50 | nvz | SlashX1896: currently runs on Linux, Hurd, and kFreeBSD, netBSD afaik as well as 10 officially supported hardware architectures |
| 08:53.54 | fireedo | YAST on etch? |
| 08:54.00 | deadcat | no |
| 08:54.05 | deadcat | not yet |
| 08:54.12 | SlashX1896 | alrite, im trying to download the image file for it |
| 08:54.13 | Guerin | fireedo: no yast in debian, thank the gods |
| 08:54.18 | Guerin | not ever |
| 08:54.22 | fireedo | hahaha :) |
| 08:54.25 | deadcat | yast suck. allows dumbasses admin machines |
| 08:54.28 | Guerin | someone already tried to port it, but there was no support |
| 08:54.29 | liable | wtf would they? |
| 08:54.29 | SlashX1896 | cant find it |
| 08:54.30 | ke6isf | What is yast? |
| 08:54.39 | fireedo | hehehe |
| 08:54.47 | liable | suse pm |
| 08:54.47 | deadcat | yet another shitass tool |
| 08:54.52 | Guerin | ke6isf: Yet Another System Tofuckupyourmachine |
| 08:54.52 | fireedo | just heard from DW |
| 08:54.57 | nvz | SlashX1896: you are trying to download a debian installer cd image? |
| 08:55.03 | SlashX1896 | yea |
| 08:55.19 | nvz | SlashX1896: do you have a net connection on the box you will be installing on? |
| 08:55.33 | SlashX1896 | nvz: what u mean? |
| 08:55.49 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: Is the Linux box on the internet? |
| 08:55.54 | Guerin | SlashX1896: is he speaking mandarin? Doesn't look so to me. |
| 08:55.54 | SlashX1896 | yes |
| 08:55.55 | nvz | SlashX1896: if you have for example an ethernet LAN that connects the box to the internet, you can use out netinstall cd |
| 08:55.59 | orjan | Using rdesktop I connect a printer and it works exept that I can't print duplex. The man page says hat a simple ps driver is used as default and that other drivers sn be used. Hoe do I find out names of the other drivers? |
| 08:56.03 | ke6isf | !tell SlashX1896 -about netinst |
| 08:56.08 | Guerin | I mean, nvz can be pretty incomprehensible, but this is not one of these times |
| 08:56.10 | nvz | SlashX1896: then you dont have to download all the packages onto cd before hand |
| 08:56.13 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: Try that instead. |
| 08:56.24 | nvz | Guerin: heh |
| 08:56.37 | nima | ke6isf: any advice on the gpg problem? |
| 08:57.02 | ke6isf | nima: Unfortunately, not from me. I know nothing of it. Either ask later or ask on one of the mailing lists. |
| 08:57.17 | nima | ke6isf: ok man, thankyou. |
| 08:57.32 | fireedo | naah.....it's time to install debian......c you later everyone....thanx a lot :) |
| 08:57.41 | SlashX1896 | ke6isf: what one do i chose? ex: alpha arm hppa ect |
| 08:57.42 | ke6isf | fireedo: Good luck, and have fun. |
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| 08:57.50 | ke6isf | SlashX1896: What kind of computer are you running? |
| 08:57.56 | SlashX1896 | os? |
| 08:58.01 | nvz | SlashX1896: no CPU. |
| 08:58.04 | SlashX1896 | i have a Dell |
| 08:58.05 | SlashX1896 | desktop |
| 08:58.11 | nvz | SlashX1896: you want i386 probably |
| 08:58.16 | SlashX1896 | kk |
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| 08:58.28 | ke6isf | Hooboy, he's new. |
| 08:58.38 | nvz | afaik Dell only makes i386 and alpha systems |
| 08:58.40 | nvz | if that |
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| 08:58.58 | sussudio | Dellllllll |
| 08:59.00 | ke6isf | nvz: They make Alpha boxen? |
| 08:59.04 | ke6isf | sussudio: Dude. |
| 08:59.18 | nvz | ke6isf: wild guess.. HP does |
| 08:59.26 | Guerin | SlashX1896: does that rhyme with 'braaaaaiiiinnssss'? |
| 08:59.30 | ke6isf | nvz: I thought the line was discontinued. |
| 08:59.36 | Guerin | sussudio: ^ |
| 08:59.38 | SlashX1896 | ...? |
| 08:59.51 | sussudio | nein. |
| 08:59.56 | Buddha| | nvz - HP makes Alpha boxen because they bought the company that invented the Alpha CPU. |
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| 09:00.07 | deadcat | Buddha|: what ibook you have? |
| 09:00.15 | nvz | Buddha|: yeah I know |
| 09:00.35 | nvz | Buddha|: I just figured other large pc manufacturers might have ventured to build them as well |
| 09:00.39 | nvz | I dont know for sure |
| 09:00.40 | Buddha| | deadcat - late 2004 12" 1.2GHz 30GB hdd Combo drive |
| 09:00.42 | nvz | I dont shop dell |
| 09:00.58 | Buddha| | nvz - only HP makes them |
| 09:00.58 | deadcat | Buddha|: g3 or g4? |
| 09:01.05 | Buddha| | deadcat - G4 |
| 09:01.07 | plbgnr | streuner: I did remove some items in sources.list after I installed packages for which they was. Can be that problem? |
| 09:01.26 | Knight_Lord | There were several companies making alpha clones that used the same chips and were half the price |
| 09:01.28 | deadcat | Buddha|: ah. crapass wireless (=. but atleast you have usb2 and a white keyboard heheh. |
| 09:01.29 | nvz | I had a dell, I traded it to pedro.. I havent even collected his Gateway yet.. cause I dont really want it :P |
| 09:01.38 | nvz | my dell was decent, his gateway sucks :P |
| 09:02.03 | ke6isf | nvz: Maybe you can run it as an ntp server or something. =^^= |
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| 09:02.15 | Buddha| | deadcat - wireless works great under OSX. No Linux drivers for it yet, though. |
| 09:02.19 | Guerin | i have, however, had the misfortune of having to work with them |
| 09:02.25 | nvz | I put his 1ghz into my 667mhz Dell optiplex and his 128mb ram, taking out one of the 64mb chips.. so he has umm.. what is it 196MB I guess now.. |
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| 09:02.36 | nvz | anyhow his PC runs 100% better in the dell than the gateway |
| 09:02.40 | deadcat | Buddha|: if it doesnt work on osx they wouldnt put it in (= |
| 09:02.41 | ke6isf | nvz: 192. |
| 09:03.25 | Buddha| | deadcat - I got the battery life under both Linux and OSX up to around 5.5 hours on it, too |
| 09:03.41 | nvz | I had KDE running with Amarok, Apollon, Mozilla Firefox, Gaim, kMines, Open Office.org..etc and the menus and shit were still reacting in real time.. you couldnt run any one of those programs on his gateway without it going real slow |
| 09:03.42 | deadcat | it shows 7hour on my box |
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| 09:04.03 | liable | fuck you.. |
| 09:04.07 | Guerin | deadcat: it lies |
| 09:04.09 | Buddha| | deadcat - what's yours? |
| 09:04.15 | deadcat | vaginal or anal? |
| 09:04.20 | Guerin | deadcat: all battery monitor applets lie |
| 09:04.23 | nvz | the mobo must really suck somehow.. they are both Intel i810 boards and I took the CPU and ram, and HD from the gateway.. |
| 09:04.32 | deadcat | Guerin: i know that (= because it said 9 hour last time |
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| 09:04.41 | nvz | something has to be drastically different in the gateway.. bus speed or something |
| 09:04.42 | deadcat | Buddha|: g3 800mhz |
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| 09:05.08 | nvz | I was thinking of buying a G3 ~800mhz |
| 09:05.18 | nvz | I want a portable pc.. still havent decided |
| 09:05.29 | nvz | I only want to pay between $150-400 range |
| 09:05.42 | nvz | you can get used G3 iBooks on ebay in that range |
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| 09:06.23 | awwa | i mean its not like they havent done worse things before |
| 09:06.36 | liable | ?? |
| 09:06.47 | awwa | is there a way that i could secure my self and try it out or something? |
| 09:06.59 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 09:07.03 | nvz | awwa: HEH |
| 09:07.03 | Tchiak | walmart.com is down |
| 09:07.13 | nvz | awwa: nope you can never be secure |
| 09:07.45 | liable | awwa: please tell me you are typing in the wrong window.. :) |
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| 09:08.38 | awwa | ? :) hehe |
| 09:08.40 | Tchiak | please tell us you meant to type this in #extreme-emotional-disfunctions |
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| 09:08.58 | awwa | heh |
| 09:09.00 | Tchiak | hmmm |
| 09:09.04 | Fackamato | any ideas on how to run a scan for bad blocks on a laptop, that doesn't have a cdrom or floppy? |
| 09:09.13 | Guerin | Fackamato: badblocks |
| 09:09.14 | nvz | badblocks |
| 09:09.14 | Tchiak | traceroute indicates after atdn.net no readback on the trace |
| 09:09.17 | nvz | imagine that |
| 09:09.21 | Tchiak | walmart.com is indeed dead |
| 09:09.35 | nvz | oh well if only the rest of the company would follow |
| 09:09.38 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 09:09.43 | Tchiak | then we can loot them ^_^ |
| 09:09.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:09.48 | nvz | they are ruining america |
| 09:09.56 | row_ | ites alive here |
| 09:09.58 | Guerin | nvz: s/i/n/ |
| 09:09.59 | row_ | -e |
| 09:09.59 | Tchiak | so you saw the movie right nvz? |
| 09:10.03 | Tchiak | O_O |
| 09:10.07 | Tchiak | it's alive there |
| 09:10.21 | plbgnr | is there something like utility screen that I'm able to keep alive GUI application after exit shell with it? |
| 09:10.24 | liable | how do you unmount / without a bootdisk? |
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| 09:10.33 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:10.33 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 09:10.38 | matthias | Hi! |
| 09:10.39 | Tchiak | after pop2-dls-ps2-1.atdn.net i get nothing from the trace |
| 09:10.43 | _karma__ | stupid/newbie quick quetion: I just set up a small IRCd and would like to pass the default port range (6665-6669) through iptables, whats the syntax to do so? |
| 09:10.45 | nvz | Ambridge's main street is called Merchant Street. its used to be a glistening strip of business over a mile long.. now it looks like a ghost town. |
| 09:11.06 | tijn | matthias, are u matti? from leonberg? |
| 09:11.28 | Tchiak | plbgnr what's your wm? |
| 09:11.29 | deadcat | these deals sucks. fucking rebate.. i HATE rebate.. i want to meet the fuck who invented rebate. i will cut his left nut, then force him to eat it |
| 09:11.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:11.52 | plbgnr | Tchiak:fluxbox |
| 09:11.54 | Tchiak | i was saying the exact same thing earlier today |
| 09:12.04 | Tchiak | well flux you too plbgnr |
| 09:12.05 | Tchiak | jesus |
| 09:12.07 | Tchiak | try to help a man |
| 09:12.11 | Tchiak | rruuuuuuude |
| 09:12.12 | deadcat | Tchiak: those rebates fucks with your head too.. because you never know |
| 09:12.24 | Tchiak | i like staples easy rebate ^_^ |
| 09:12.30 | tarzeau | _karma__: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $ext --dport 6667 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.n:6667 |
| 09:12.31 | Tchiak | cause you submit it online and can track the status |
| 09:12.41 | nvz | in my town right next to it, we got the Village, and its soon going to be taken over by a corporate giant too.. Giant Eagle to be exact wants to take over the Nail Salon, Barber Shop, Wine & Spirits Store, Curves, Eckard, DQ... and make it one big GE Monopoly |
| 09:12.42 | tarzeau | _karma__: where $ext is the ip from internet |
| 09:13.34 | deadcat | Tchiak: nope. you still have to wait.. why? its my fucking money. why should i even wait. if you want my address. take it.. goddamn |
| 09:13.35 | nvz | I sit at home and shop online in my underwear in protest.. |
| 09:14.05 | nvz | fauk em. ruining the landscape and shutting out the small business owners |
| 09:15.18 | plbgnr | Tchiak:so thanks for 'help' |
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| 09:16.16 | TriumphDeArc | i was wondering if i could ask something about debian |
| 09:16.29 | nvz | nope, not in a channel about debian. |
| 09:16.30 | TriumphDeArc | specifically, if i can accomplish something with it |
| 09:16.39 | TriumphDeArc | crap, i was afraid of that :P |
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| 09:16.41 | nvz | TriumphDeArc: ffs just ask |
| 09:16.55 | nvz | !ask-to-ask |
| 09:16.56 | dpkg | somebody said ask-to-ask was Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 09:17.15 | Tchiak | i have a wierd question to ask |
| 09:17.20 | deadcat | no no. just let us guess your q |
| 09:17.29 | TriumphDeArc | basically what i want to know is can i get it booting quickly on a PII-266 with 64 Mb of ram into an mp3 jukebox that automatically plays |
| 09:17.35 | Tchiak | not a problem deadcat |
| 09:17.39 | liable | !seen jethro |
| 09:17.40 | Tchiak | your not gonna like the question |
| 09:17.40 | dpkg | jethro is currently on #debian-bots. Has said a total of 13466 messages. Is idling for 3d 18h 41m 48s |
| 09:17.43 | Tchiak | you'll think it's silly |
| 09:17.43 | nvz | Tchiak: yes you look silly in those panties, and not you cant fit your dick in that cat. |
| 09:17.46 | Guerin | TriumphDeArc: build your own init script |
| 09:17.50 | Guerin | TriumphDeArc: easily done |
| 09:18.04 | TriumphDeArc | an init scrpit? |
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| 09:18.16 | TriumphDeArc | i'm a total n00b to linux, i'm afraid |
| 09:18.19 | Tchiak | if i run a DHCP on this box will it conflict with the DHCP on the hardware router? |
| 09:18.30 | row_ | TriumphDeArc: then wtf are you trying to do this in nix? |
| 09:18.32 | Tchiak | well go get some huggies boy.. cause it's crappin time |
| 09:18.33 | mhall | Tchiak: well yes and no |
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| 09:18.45 | TriumphDeArc | because i have this desire to learn linux, first of all |
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| 09:18.51 | mhall | Tchiak: if you have both set to offer same IPs then yes |
| 09:18.54 | Guerin | TriumphDeArc: good, get to learnin'. |
| 09:18.57 | deadcat | TriumphDeArc: learn the fucking basic first |
| 09:19.00 | Tchiak | desire does not denote skill.. learn |
| 09:19.07 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 09:19.07 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 09:19.08 | nvz | would be safe to append a command at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh probably, its one of the last scripts to run |
| 09:19.08 | mhall | Tchiak: otherwise clients will take address from whichever answers fastest |
| 09:19.13 | row_ | TriumphDeArc: would it not be best to start on a slightly lower level |
| 09:19.14 | Tchiak | Desire is a motivator to learn to get skill to do what we want |
| 09:19.25 | row_ | don't run before you can walk and all that |
| 09:19.30 | mhall | Guerin: that is the factoid equivalent of pornstar dick |
| 09:19.33 | deadcat | patience grasshopper |
| 09:19.34 | Guerin | TriumphDeArc: start there ^ also ask dpkg about abs guide, and read /etc/init.d/README when you think you're ready. |
| 09:19.37 | Tchiak | Without skill desire is nothing, w/o desire skill is nothing |
| 09:19.44 | mhall | fuck |
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| 09:19.50 | mhall | i am so full i can't fucking sleep |
| 09:20.00 | Tchiak | your a bastard mhall |
| 09:20.00 | deadcat | what you eat? |
| 09:20.01 | nvz | Tchiak: Ambition overdrive |
| 09:20.11 | mhall | Tchiak: what the fuck did i do this time |
| 09:20.20 | Tchiak | nvz: ambition overrides the brain :P |
| 09:20.24 | Tchiak | mhall.. talking about food |
| 09:20.30 | Buddha| | there is no brain |
| 09:20.31 | Tchiak | my dog got into our leftovers |
| 09:20.36 | mhall | Tchiak: oof |
| 09:20.37 | liable | meh, the bastard bakery decided to not do pizza tonight, so its a heated frozen pie for me tonight. :( |
| 09:20.37 | Tchiak | we have no turkey now :( |
| 09:20.44 | TriumphDeArc | alright, those links are going to del.icio.us right now |
| 09:20.45 | mhall | Tchiak: how did it manage that |
| 09:20.46 | TriumphDeArc | thanks! |
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| 09:21.03 | konfuzed | I just installed apt-get install apache-perl and then apt-get isntall httpd-cgi complains that Package httpd-cgi has no installation candidate after listing apache-perl as one of the need web servers |
| 09:21.04 | Tchiak | he's an extremly long legged dog |
| 09:21.05 | nvz | liable: turkey pot pie ? :P |
| 09:21.08 | konfuzed | whaz up dat |
| 09:21.14 | Tchiak | and likes to grab crap off the counter |
| 09:21.23 | Tchiak | though this time he managed to get on teh coutner to the back of the stove |
| 09:21.32 | Guerin | konfuzed: making up packagenames is not the best way to install stuff |
| 09:21.33 | Tchiak | and grabbed the turkey and pumpkin pie down from the top of the stove |
| 09:21.34 | mhall | Tchiak: well now you know why i just have cats |
| 09:21.35 | Tchiak | that little bastard >_> |
| 09:21.37 | Guerin | !tell konfuzed about search |
| 09:21.39 | Tchiak | i have a cat |
| 09:21.42 | Tchiak | she's a bastard too |
| 09:21.44 | konfuzed | there was a note about apache-perl now having /ets/apache-perl to itself |
| 09:21.46 | liable | nvz: nup, meat pie. (i aint american, no turkey for me :( |
| 09:21.49 | Tchiak | she won't stop jumping on my monitor |
| 09:21.55 | Tchiak | she's gonna break it i know it -_- |
| 09:22.01 | mhall | Tchiak: lol |
| 09:22.03 | TriumphDeArc | alright, off to read the tutorials |
| 09:22.12 | deadcat | you do that |
| 09:22.15 | nvz | liable: I am sure turkey tastes just as good in any country |
| 09:22.15 | mhall | Tchiak: well i guess they take after you but in pet form :-D |
| 09:22.19 | Tchiak | today i gotta go apply for walmart |
| 09:22.26 | deadcat | hehe |
| 09:22.31 | Tchiak | mhall better than being a bitch like you |
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| 09:22.39 | Guerin | get a room |
| 09:22.45 | konfuzed | I just installed apt-get install apache-perl and then apt-get isntall httpd-cgi complains that Package httpd-cgi has no installation candidate after listing apache-perl as one of the need web servers |
| 09:22.48 | mhall | Tchiak: lol at least i have turkey |
| 09:22.50 | Tchiak | already do |
| 09:22.52 | deadcat | oh no you didnt!! |
| 09:22.53 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 09:22.56 | mhall | Tchiak: unlike your incompetent ass |
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| 09:23.04 | konfuzed | Guerin: what do you mean by make up package names |
| 09:23.06 | nvz | konfuzed: stfu |
| 09:23.07 | Guerin | konfuzed: are you reading-impaired? Must I spell this out? |
| 09:23.10 | mhall | hahaha |
| 09:23.12 | Tchiak | well i'm gonna go down and get a job at walmart |
| 09:23.19 | Tchiak | then i'm gonna use the 10% discount tog et all the turkey i want |
| 09:23.20 | deadcat | oh no you didnt just call him a bitch!.. girl |
| 09:23.21 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 09:23.30 | Guerin | konfuzed: you're making up package names instead of searching and finding what the packages are really called. |
| 09:23.31 | nvz | konfuzed: you cant just make up package names. |
| 09:23.38 | mhall | deadcat: well i fucking dished it out to get on kingsley_'s list |
| 09:23.41 | Tchiak | you forgot to snap your fingers deadcat |
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| 09:23.42 | nvz | dpkg, tell konfuzed about search |
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| 09:23.47 | mhall | deadcat: so i better fucking be able to take it too |
| 09:23.49 | konfuzed | guerin uh no |
| 09:23.51 | mhall | rueffer: tag! |
| 09:23.58 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 09:24.21 | Tchiak | :P |
| 09:24.26 | nvz | !+info httpd-cgi |
| 09:24.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:24.34 | mhall | and at least i don't have to work at walmart |
| 09:24.35 | liable | hah, speaking of kingsley, you all know we are getting graded on our productivity now? |
| 09:24.44 | mhall | liable: really? |
| 09:24.50 | liable | apparently.. |
| 09:24.55 | mhall | liable: where? |
| 09:24.57 | konfuzed | Package httpd-cgi is a virtual package provided by as in this is always included with all the listed webserver packages |
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| 09:25.04 | Tchiak | i hate waiting for a domain to propogate |
| 09:25.07 | mhall | liable: and what gives his unhelpful ass the right |
| 09:25.18 | liable | mhall: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 09:25.20 | Guerin | konfuzed: apt-cache search apache cgi |
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| 09:25.43 | Tchiak | of course the fact taht my webhost gave me the wrong nameserver to point it to didn't help |
| 09:25.49 | dpkg | Package 'httpd-cgi' does not exist. |
| 09:25.49 | Guerin | hahah |
| 09:25.53 | nvz | ^ |
| 09:25.53 | Guerin | hahahah, haha |
| 09:25.58 | Guerin | productivity |
| 09:26.01 | Guerin | amazing |
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| 09:26.08 | konfuzed | httpd-cgi is listed as a dependency to a debian package |
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| 09:26.17 | liable | what will they think of next? |
| 09:26.31 | konfuzed | I suppose it doesnt care which web server package is used to get it |
| 09:26.34 | nvz | !depends httpd-cgi |
| 09:26.51 | Tchiak | i sit here pondering the words of socrates when he said: "I drank what?" |
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| 09:27.14 | Tchiak | if that's what it takes to be different i'd rather be a conformist |
| 09:27.17 | Tchiak | -_- |
| 09:27.19 | botsy | hi all |
| 09:27.31 | nvz | botsy: not yet, but I am working on it |
| 09:27.39 | Tchiak | HEY KIDS.. Wanna be different like everyone else.. use the same irc client as everyone else! Then you |
| 09:27.43 | Tchiak | 'll definately be different |
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| 09:27.51 | Fackamato | how do I run a bad block check, and fixing the bad blocks, on a laptop that only has a harddrive and network? |
| 09:27.54 | liable | Tchiak: mirc! |
| 09:27.56 | mhall | Jesus H Christ! That's the most useless heuristic ever devised. |
| 09:28.01 | Tchiak | BITCHX |
| 09:28.09 | Tchiak | or Xchat depending on your flavor |
| 09:28.15 | mhall | It makes me want to go find kingsley and make him choke on a turkey wishbone right now. |
| 09:28.16 | Tchiak | bitchx is like irc-lite |
| 09:28.20 | Tchiak | xchat is irc-fatass |
| 09:28.37 | deadcat | you dont know irssi do you? |
| 09:28.44 | Tchiak | O_O |
| 09:28.47 | Tchiak | stay away from me |
| 09:29.11 | liable | Tchiak: yes we generally do from bitchx users :P |
| 09:29.13 | danielR | how can i send forward an file like tar.gz with mail ? i don't think it works like a txt file, mail x@y.tld < file |
| 09:29.18 | deadcat | jesus' middle inintial is H? |
| 09:29.27 | liable | the third! |
| 09:29.32 | mhall | deadcat: well according to my heuristic |
| 09:29.40 | deadcat | hehe |
| 09:29.44 | mhall | deadcat: fuck if kingsley_ can pull stuff out of his ass so can I |
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| 09:30.13 | mhall | deadcat: that's alright though, if nothing else proves his psychological analysis incompetence this surely will |
| 09:30.19 | Tchiak | i can't use xchat since this box can't lauch X cause of no mouse |
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| 09:30.32 | liable | !best irc client |
| 09:30.33 | dpkg | i guess irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 09:30.38 | Tchiak | and my other box is otherwise engaged in a platform required for specific gaming concerns |
| 09:30.39 | mhall | deadcat: productivity cannot be measure in this manner and clearly the foul language demotion is way out of whack |
| 09:30.43 | mhall | but fuck it |
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| 09:30.57 | mhall | i don't need kingsley_ telling me what to do and how to do it |
| 09:31.11 | Tchiak | o_O |
| 09:31.14 | Tchiak | did i walk in at a bad time |
| 09:31.24 | mhall | i'm an adult i can figure it out for myself without his ass jumping on me anyways |
| 09:31.29 | liable | no, we're always like this :) |
| 09:31.33 | Tchiak | i feel like i walked into a public bathroom just in time to see a grown man shoot his load on the floor |
| 09:31.36 | Tchiak | and it disturbs me |
| 09:31.45 | bird | how to using parted commond? |
| 09:32.02 | mhall | bird: carefully |
| 09:32.07 | mhall | bird: what do you need to do |
| 09:32.08 | mhall | bird: and |
| 09:32.17 | Tchiak | with proper engrish and spelng |
| 09:32.18 | liable | bird: you clearly dont want to use parted if you are asking here about it.. |
| 09:32.52 | Tchiak | i make fun of people cause on the inside i'm a selfloathing manhater whos a man |
| 09:32.53 | Tchiak | @_@ |
| 09:32.57 | mhall | bird: www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual |
| 09:33.04 | mhall | liable: he's gotta start somewhere |
| 09:33.15 | mhall | liable: and if his disk is empty it doesn't much matter anyways |
| 09:33.18 | Tchiak | gah-new! |
| 09:33.27 | quitte | sigh. qemu cannot be compiled on sid :( usr/bin/ld: qemu-arm: Not enough room for program headers |
| 09:33.33 | liable | mhall: if his disk is empty, he doesnt need pated.. |
| 09:33.35 | bird | yes,i disk table destory |
| 09:33.36 | liable | parted.. |
| 09:33.37 | quitte | any idea what i can do about it? |
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| 09:34.15 | Tchiak | o_O |
| 09:34.28 | bird | yes i disk table destory |
| 09:34.28 | Tchiak | why precisly do you need the disk table destroyed? |
| 09:34.36 | Tchiak | and in taht case why don't you just fdisk the fuck out of it? |
| 09:34.47 | mhall | perhaps he means he destroyed it |
| 09:34.55 | mhall | and wants to use the rescue feature to get it back |
| 09:34.59 | mhall | just a hypothesis |
| 09:35.01 | liable | bird: if you are starting from scratch, use fdisk/cfdisk |
| 09:35.01 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 09:35.13 | Tchiak | i've had partition tables destroyed |
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| 09:35.15 | Tchiak | tis ugly |
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| 09:35.37 | nimak | how can i get the contents of the root directory using tftp? |
| 09:35.37 | quitte | what do all those tape drive logos mean : o_o ? |
| 09:35.45 | bird | i don't known |
| 09:35.48 | liable | i thought it was gpart that fixes partiion tables.. |
| 09:36.04 | liable | bird: whats your native language? |
| 09:36.08 | msn | how do I enable ftp with ssl connection tracking in iptables |
| 09:36.12 | Tchiak | it's anime for wtf |
| 09:36.16 | Tchiak | O_O |
| 09:36.20 | Tchiak | Eye Mouth Eye |
| 09:36.27 | quitte | ah |
| 09:36.27 | bird | can not into grub |
| 09:36.28 | Tchiak | O_O = Surprised |
| 09:36.30 | msn | I am able to connect but gives "Could not retrieve directory listing.. |
| 09:36.32 | Tchiak | o_O = wtf |
| 09:36.37 | Tchiak | o_o = wtf?!? |
| 09:36.49 | Tchiak | ^_^ = horray! |
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| 09:37.01 | mhall | Tchiak: otaku! |
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| 09:37.03 | bird | how can i |
| 09:37.09 | RichiH | bird: magic |
| 09:37.21 | msn | the server is connecting locally, the error came last time when I forgotton to enable conntrack for ftp.. |
| 09:37.30 | Tchiak | ohyogozimasu |
| 09:37.31 | msn | but ftp conntrack is already there.. |
| 09:37.33 | bird | why magic ,what? |
| 09:37.38 | Tchiak | ogenki desu ka |
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| 09:38.03 | mhall | lol damn Tchiak you're hardcore like that |
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| 09:38.18 | Tchiak | been awhile since i've had to use japanese |
| 09:38.20 | Tchiak | hard to remember |
| 09:38.29 | Tchiak | even harder to remmeber how to spell it properly -_- |
| 09:38.30 | nimak | anyone? |
| 09:38.31 | mhall | Tchiak: perhaps keep it up in your mind |
| 09:38.38 | mhall | Tchiak: could be useful |
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| 09:38.47 | Tchiak | possibly |
| 09:38.55 | Tchiak | but i don't see when i'll be in japan anytime soon |
| 09:38.55 | Tchiak | :| |
| 09:39.11 | mhall | mmm so many hot women there |
| 09:39.15 | Tchiak | it is one of my dreams though |
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| 09:39.21 | mhall | perhaps i'll go some day |
| 09:39.24 | Tchiak | to spend a year bumming along the country side of japan |
| 09:39.27 | mhall | but likelier i'll head to german |
| 09:39.30 | mhall | germany* |
| 09:39.39 | mhall | i've spoken german since 1998 |
| 09:39.45 | Tchiak | i've had about all the german i can handle from my family |
| 09:39.48 | Tchiak | and i can't even speak the langauge |
| 09:39.52 | mhall | but damn i can't type well on this laptop keyboard yet |
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| 09:39.54 | Tchiak | never wanted to.. always sounded so ugly |
| 09:39.59 | bird | else disk table commond |
| 09:40.02 | mhall | so i keep making incompetent typos |
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| 09:40.12 | Tchiak | are you sure it's the keyboard mhall? |
| 09:40.18 | mhall | Tchiak: and we all agree prettiness of sound is the way to pick the language |
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| 09:40.34 | liable | bird: you need to explain better what you are actually trying to do. |
| 09:40.35 | mhall | Tchiak: well it could be i'm distracted with your mom giving me a blowjob; true |
| 09:40.42 | Tchiak | it factors into my decision on whether to learn a language |
| 09:40.46 | Tchiak | i'm hoping to hit russian some time |
| 09:41.01 | mhall | Tchiak: but somehow i doubt it cause i'm generally not on most moms' lists of hot guys to bang |
| 09:41.12 | mhall | Tchiak: so i'm pretty sure it's the newness of the layout |
| 09:41.18 | Tchiak | my mom is dead so if your having her give you blow jobs then your a necrophiliac and a sick bastard |
| 09:41.28 | bird | i trying |
| 09:41.34 | mhall | Tchiak: well i could always dig her up |
| 09:41.36 | bird | thank you |
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| 09:41.52 | Tchiak | if you dig her up you'll find the bomb |
| 09:41.56 | Tchiak | and i can't have that >_> |
| 09:42.15 | mhall | Tchiak: somebody set me up the bomb?!?!?!?11111exclamationpoint111eleventyone!!! |
| 09:42.19 | Tchiak | hahaha |
| 09:42.24 | Tchiak | that is soo overused |
| 09:42.32 | mhall | f0ck this thing compiles so fast |
| 09:42.46 | mhall | Tchiak: well even though, you'd have to admit i picked a goot time |
| 09:42.51 | citral | fastor |
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| 09:43.03 | Tchiak | goot? |
| 09:43.08 | Tchiak | wtf is a goot? |
| 09:43.09 | mhall | Tchiak: and i was pretty clear to label it as cliche by the type of punctuation i choose |
| 09:43.18 | mhall | Tchiak: good damnit |
| 09:43.23 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 09:43.37 | Tchiak | Now don't get your panties all up in a bunch |
| 09:43.56 | mhall | although i can't spell cliche right on here because i haven't finished utf8 config on this laptop |
| 09:44.01 | mhall | too new and i have been too busy |
| 09:44.10 | Tchiak | haha |
| 09:44.16 | mhall | plus for weeks on weeks amd64 was missing packages |
| 09:44.32 | mhall | what series is this |
| 09:44.36 | mhall | have not heard of it |
| 09:44.40 | mhall | sounds sick and twisted |
| 09:44.45 | Tchiak | y ou have not heard of the great foamy? |
| 09:44.49 | mhall | i.e. right up my fucking alley |
| 09:44.49 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite mhall |
| 09:44.50 | dpkg | mhall: You're nothing but a p*nis r*ping d*ckhead! |
| 09:44.54 | Tchiak | lord and master of all that is lordy and masterfullish? |
| 09:44.54 | Guerin | damnit |
| 09:45.02 | Tchiak | http://www.illwillpress.com |
| 09:45.03 | mhall | or from up kingsley's ass, whichever |
| 09:45.10 | mhall | Guerin: what did i do this fucking time |
| 09:45.26 | mhall | i'm always fucking in trouble for something with somebody |
| 09:45.35 | konfuzed | so the web app that needed httpd-cgi is already working and I was just being too detail oriented |
| 09:45.36 | konfuzed | hey hey |
| 09:45.42 | mhall | if kingsley_ isn't all over my ass like white on rice then somebody else will do it |
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| 09:45.46 | mhall | shitstick |
| 09:46.01 | Syruss | is there any way of getting the current modeline for :0 X11 display? |
| 09:46.03 | Guerin | mhall: Citizen Volunteer mhall: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.502488489719699! This is unacceptable. Please report for immediate termination! |
| 09:46.21 | mhall | well at least i got my laptop up to pr0n viewing standards |
| 09:46.22 | Tchiak | watch the bra bashing one :P |
| 09:46.24 | Tchiak | it's funny |
| 09:46.42 | mhall | Tchiak: oh i have actually been to that site before it turns out |
| 09:46.49 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 09:46.57 | mhall | Tchiak: i just forget the association of urls and the names of the content at them |
| 09:47.09 | mhall | Tchiak: my most otaku friend showed it to me |
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| 09:47.28 | Tchiak | otaku no tomodachi desu ka |
| 09:47.32 | mhall | Syruss: hmm i think there is a way |
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| 09:47.48 | mhall | Syruss: you can find x's mode lines in /var/log's X log |
| 09:47.57 | mhall | Syruss: it generates them upon x's starting up |
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| 09:48.06 | mhall | Syruss: and cats them into the log |
| 09:48.08 | Syruss | hmm |
| 09:48.10 | Syruss | thanks |
| 09:48.16 | bird | comments related to partition table |
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| 09:48.48 | mhall | Syruss: try fgrep -ir modeline /var/log |
| 09:48.52 | Syruss | I need the full modeline, this is just telling me modeline alias |
| 09:48.58 | mhall | Syruss: will probably get you close |
| 09:49.06 | mhall | Syruss: i swear i saw em in there though |
| 09:49.11 | mhall | Syruss: let me look on my box |
| 09:49.13 | Syruss | well |
| 09:49.14 | Syruss | actually |
| 09:49.20 | Syruss | this isn't debian on here |
| 09:49.22 | Syruss | and is xorg |
| 09:49.33 | Syruss | I'll try on my debs box |
| 09:49.33 | Syruss | :p |
| 09:49.33 | mhall | /var/log/Xorg.0.log:(II) SIS(0): Modeline "512x384" 32.57 512 528 592 672 384 385 388 403 doublescan -hsync -vsync |
| 09:49.33 | aaaa | hi i have a problem using RALUS on Debian, has anybody installed it? |
| 09:49.36 | mhall | !lart Syruss |
| 09:49.41 | mhall | !kill Syruss |
| 09:49.46 | mhall | !murder Syruss |
| 09:49.52 | Syruss | emerge kills dpkg :p |
| 09:50.09 | mhall | you no talent ass clown |
| 09:50.16 | mhall | i can't be rpm -uvh 'd |
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| 09:50.22 | mhall | i'm a core system dependency |
| 09:50.26 | Syruss | pftt |
| 09:50.27 | mhall | even libc depends on me man |
| 09:50.30 | Syruss | :/ |
| 09:50.37 | mhall | cause i'm so mad crazy 1337 h4x0r like that |
| 09:50.37 | Syruss | I'm Linus. |
| 09:50.44 | mhall | yuo is t3h pwned |
| 09:50.50 | mhall | teh owned |
| 09:50.54 | mhall | and teh qwned |
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| 09:51.15 | Tchiak | i biggest fear is exploding teeth :P |
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| 09:51.28 | Syruss | mediapc:/home/john# fgrep -ir modeline /var/log |
| 09:51.28 | Syruss | /var/log/XFree86.0.log:GetModeLine - scrn: 0 clock: 0 |
| 09:51.28 | Syruss | /var/log/XFree86.0.log:GetModeLine - hdsp: 640 hbeg: 0 hend: 0 httl: 0 |
| 09:51.28 | Syruss | /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old:GetModeLine - scrn: 0 clock: 0 |
| 09:51.28 | Syruss | /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old:GetModeLine - hdsp: 1024 hbeg: 0 hend: 0 httl: 0 |
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| 09:51.43 | Syruss | that's a flood? |
| 09:51.44 | Syruss | :/ |
| 09:51.51 | Guerin | !flood |
| 09:51.51 | Tchiak | yes it is |
| 09:51.51 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:51.53 | mhall | Syruss: well seems that the diff is |
| 09:51.53 | Tchiak | and i hate you for it |
| 09:51.59 | Syruss | 'many' |
| 09:52.00 | Syruss | :p |
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| 09:52.09 | mhall | Syruss: xf86 doesn't display the modes this way |
| 09:52.13 | mhall | Syruss: but xorg does |
| 09:52.16 | Syruss | oh |
| 09:52.17 | bird | really? |
| 09:52.17 | mhall | Syruss: let me find another method |
| 09:52.18 | Guerin | Syruss: i trust you now have enough detail to not do it again. |
| 09:52.48 | Syruss | Guerin: yes, I was just wondering whether I thought 5 lines constitutes a flood. |
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| 09:53.19 | Guerin | Syruss: what you think don't matter as much as what debhelper thinks |
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| 09:54.11 | mhall | Syruss: ok got it |
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| 09:54.27 | mhall | Syruss: what you need is to run xvidtune |
| 09:54.33 | mhall | Syruss: then click show button |
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| 09:54.40 | Syruss | ah, show |
| 09:54.40 | mhall | Syruss: this will cat out your current modeline |
| 09:54.42 | Syruss | cheers |
| 09:54.46 | Syruss | that's fantastic |
| 09:54.47 | mhall | Syruss: not as pretty as log grep method |
| 09:54.56 | mhall | Syruss: because it won't dump all lines |
| 09:55.09 | Syruss | I spent about 3hrs last night trying to find the right modeline by 'guess' |
| 09:55.10 | Syruss | :/ |
| 09:55.17 | mhall | Syruss: but a good enough hack to get you started until something better comes along |
| 09:55.26 | Syruss | the vesa driver seems to get it spot on... |
| 09:55.34 | mhall | Syruss: ah 1337 jeans |
| 09:55.44 | mhall | Syruss: but then you can't copy it into conf file |
| 09:55.50 | mhall | Syruss: which would be sux0r |
| 09:55.54 | Tchiak | this is riviting |
| 09:56.24 | Syruss | mediapc:/home/john# DISPLAY=:0 xvidtune -show |
| 09:56.24 | Syruss | "640x480" 0.00 640 0 0 0 480 0 0 0 |
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| 09:56.33 | Syruss | hmm... :/ |
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| 09:57.05 | Syruss | that doesn't look like dot clock, horz/vert etc... |
| 09:57.14 | mhall | Syruss: hmm odd |
| 09:57.19 | colloron | can i burn in linux an .nrg file/image? |
| 09:57.19 | mhall | Syruss: let me look at mine more |
| 09:57.22 | Syruss | X is using the vesa driver |
| 09:57.32 | Syruss | which is more than likely the reason that happened |
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| 09:57.46 | liable | colloron: no |
| 09:57.58 | colloron | ok thanks |
| 09:58.01 | Tchiak | colloron your wondering if you can burn a file format that was designed by nero which runs on windows and is proprietary to that company |
| 09:58.03 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 09:58.04 | liable | colloron: look for something to get the iso out of it. |
| 09:58.07 | Tchiak | my mom was right |
| 09:58.08 | caphuso | colloron: nrg2iso before burning or buy nero for linux |
| 09:58.18 | mhall | Vendor: , Model: Num hsync: 1, Num vsync: 1 hsync range 0: 28.00 - 80.00 vsync range 0: 56.00 - 71.00 |
| 09:58.21 | mhall | "1024x768" 75.17 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync |
| 09:58.22 | Tchiak | "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people" |
| 09:58.35 | colloron | ahh ok |
| 09:58.37 | mhall | Syruss: i get a legit mode line |
| 09:58.38 | Syruss | basically, my radeon 7000 clones the dsub output to svideo.. |
| 09:58.39 | colloron | thanks caphuso |
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| 09:59.08 | Syruss | vesa driver/console is fine |
| 09:59.13 | mhall | has anybody found a good way to convert BIN / CUE to ISO |
| 09:59.14 | Syruss | but when I use the radeon driver, it goes flid |
| 09:59.22 | liable | damn, missed a thanks, my productivity will be way down this week :( |
| 09:59.24 | caphuso | mhall: bchunk |
| 09:59.26 | mhall | the only sw i could find is not on the net anymore (bin2iso) |
| 09:59.27 | Syruss | I used to have a tool that did it mhall |
| 09:59.28 | Tchiak | in linux or windows? |
| 09:59.29 | mhall | caphuso: thanks! |
| 09:59.37 | Syruss | that was it, bin2iso |
| 09:59.41 | mhall | caphuso: is there a package or must i compile it up |
| 09:59.47 | Syruss | it's a pretty simple operation I think |
| 10:00.00 | caphuso | mhall: do i look like you're personal apt-cache proxy? |
| 10:00.08 | caphuso | s/'re/r |
| 10:00.41 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite mhall |
| 10:00.42 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer mhall: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.505352873859135! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
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| 10:01.12 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 10:01.22 | Tchiak | how do you get fired from a volunteer job? |
| 10:01.30 | BrujOxEs | fuck |
| 10:01.35 | Tchiak | thank you mhall |
| 10:01.36 | BrujOxEs | :| |
| 10:01.38 | Guerin | Tchiak: by being worse than useless |
| 10:01.43 | liable | Tchiak: kingsley is still working on that. |
| 10:01.47 | mhall | oof |
| 10:02.12 | mhall | BrujOxEs: what's the matter man |
| 10:02.23 | Guerin | mhall 28 1 32 183 9 .00023880 |
| 10:02.26 | Guerin | see? |
| 10:02.29 | Guerin | that's just APPALLING |
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| 10:02.49 | Guerin | only two in TEN THOUSAND lines by mhall are productive! |
| 10:03.02 | mhall | yeah i'm mad crazy suck like that |
| 10:03.03 | BrujOxEs | m cit drunk |
| 10:03.06 | mhall | but i try |
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| 10:03.11 | BrujOxEs | bit |
| 10:03.12 | mhall | BrujOxEs: what did you drink |
| 10:03.22 | BrujOxEs | tekila |
| 10:03.23 | caphuso | BrujOxEs: go sober up elsewhere |
| 10:03.26 | BrujOxEs | anda beer |
| 10:03.37 | mhall | BrujOxEs: shit man that's radiator fluid |
| 10:03.47 | liable | BrujOxEs: hate to say, but you can't spell either.. |
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| 10:04.09 | mhall | BrujOxEs: BrujOxEs->drinkWater(H2O); BrujOxEs->goToBed(Bed& bed); |
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| 10:04.50 | caphuso | drinkWater(H20)? is there a drinkWater(NaCl) too? |
| 10:05.12 | Tchiak | mhall your the biggest dissapointment since the crusifixtion |
| 10:05.57 | caphuso | mhall: let me guess, you actually listened to what your prof told you about good programming style, right? |
| 10:06.28 | mhall | caphuso: i never know what to say to you |
| 10:06.45 | mhall | caphuso: because if you're right and i admit it then you usually use it to lampoon me |
| 10:07.20 | mhall | caphuso: and if you're wrong and i object or you're right and i don't admit it you usually use it to lampoon me |
| 10:07.45 | mhall | caphuso: so i think i'll let you decide for yourself where you want it to go without commenting one way or the other |
| 10:07.52 | Tchiak | dont' destruct when you can construct ^_^ |
| 10:07.52 | mhall | Tchiak: probably true |
| 10:08.08 | liable | pretend you didnt hear it? |
| 10:08.14 | mhall | liable: hear what? |
| 10:08.20 | liable | heh |
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| 10:09.58 | mhall | Guerin: oof that'll cause some damage, esp. if liquid |
| 10:09.59 | Tchiak | ^_^ |
| 10:10.11 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 10:10.37 | Tchiak | ok in liquid form NaCl=HCl->NaO |
| 10:10.41 | Tchiak | ok in liquid form NaCl=HCl->NaO->H |
| 10:10.54 | Tchiak | your producing stomache acid? |
| 10:11.04 | cast | hmm |
| 10:11.11 | Tchiak | and well a potentially explosive chemical |
| 10:11.13 | Guerin | silly me, and here i thought it was just salt |
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| 10:11.42 | mhall | only if you mix with water |
| 10:11.49 | Tchiak | the stomach acid would help break down the bonds of the NaCl, which would then bind easily with any water in teh stomach |
| 10:11.50 | mhall | i was talking about it being molten |
| 10:12.04 | Tchiak | producing Hydrochloric acid and sodium oxide |
| 10:12.05 | mhall | and also when you have NaCl in water it dissociates ion wise |
| 10:12.09 | mhall | into Na+ Cl- |
| 10:12.09 | Guerin | i knew at least one of you was typing up an application for the Captain Obvious award |
| 10:12.11 | Tchiak | as well as a single Hydrogen |
| 10:12.16 | mhall | but i better shut up cause this is OT |
| 10:12.18 | Guerin | turns out it was both of you |
| 10:12.22 | Tchiak | ot? |
| 10:12.25 | Guerin | congratulations, you both suck equally! |
| 10:12.27 | mhall | offtopic |
| 10:12.38 | Tchiak | got your nose to the grindstone huh |
| 10:12.54 | mhall | no i just get into trouble regularly for being ot |
| 10:12.59 | mhall | and i'm rather tired of it |
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| 10:13.00 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 10:13.10 | cast | so do the na+ and cl- float around by themselves? |
| 10:13.16 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 10:13.21 | JT | does anyone have some suggestions on how to recover from some libc6 suckiness? |
| 10:13.25 | Tchiak | no they bind with other substances |
| 10:13.32 | Tchiak | generally the cl will bond nicely with a H |
| 10:13.34 | JT | i have a bunch of programs that fail to execute anymore |
| 10:13.35 | Guerin | JT: go back in time and don't fuck with libc6 |
| 10:13.51 | JT | eh, i don't remember fuckign with it directly |
| 10:13.53 | JT | but yeah |
| 10:13.59 | JT | apt was being a bitch |
| 10:14.02 | Tchiak | i'll let you use my time machine jt |
| 10:14.05 | JT | and had dependency loops |
| 10:14.11 | Tchiak | only costs 5billion per trip |
| 10:14.12 | JT | yeah anyway... |
| 10:14.22 | Tchiak | oh yes |
| 10:14.26 | Tchiak | and you ahve to give me your left arm |
| 10:14.28 | Guerin | JT: change your sources.list to sid; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:14.28 | Tchiak | it's important |
| 10:14.41 | mhall | Tchiak: shit man at least take a right arm |
| 10:14.44 | Guerin | JT: s/sid/etch/ if you went sarge -> etch |
| 10:14.47 | cast | so NaCl + H20 -> HCl + NaO + H2O -> H3O..etc? |
| 10:14.48 | mhall | probably stronger and more useful |
| 10:14.52 | Tchiak | O_o |
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| 10:15.03 | Tchiak | wtf |
| 10:15.08 | JT | Guerin: atm, apt can't extract packages, as tar returns an error |
| 10:15.10 | Tchiak | how can you come out with more components than you put in? |
| 10:15.11 | liable | stopit with the funny eyes already! |
| 10:15.16 | JT | Guerin: i was just upgrading some packages under testing |
| 10:15.28 | cast | well, its NaCl [aq] so we have plenty of water to go around |
| 10:15.47 | Tchiak | NaCl + H2O -> HCl + NaO + H |
| 10:15.54 | Tchiak | you have to have the equation balanced my friend |
| 10:16.01 | Tchiak | law of conservation |
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| 10:16.42 | Tchiak | and H3O can only be produced under high energies |
| 10:17.03 | gr8ron | what has happened to kernel-source packages in Debian? there's no newer kernel-source packages than 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 in Debian? |
| 10:17.03 | cast | so why doesnt the HCl produce H3O |
| 10:17.06 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:17.07 | Tchiak | cause you kind have to force H2O to bond with another H atom by forcing the electron shell out of place |
| 10:17.13 | Tchiak | why woudl it cast? |
| 10:17.17 | JT | i'm not even sure if any libc6 files themselves were actually changed, or if some other libary's files changed |
| 10:17.20 | caphuso | gr8ron: linux-source not kernel-source |
| 10:17.29 | JT | i'm wondering how i can manually patch up the mess |
| 10:17.31 | gr8ron | caphuso: ahh thank you so very much :) |
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| 10:17.49 | cast | I'm not sure, i failed chem :/ |
| 10:18.11 | JT | this is the error i've been getting when trying to run some programs: |
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| 10:18.15 | JT | ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLI |
| 10:18.16 | JT | BC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 10:18.22 | mhall | cast: of all failable things, possibly one of the ones to feel less bad about |
| 10:18.24 | Tchiak | it's been along time since chem but if you have H2O and NaCl then the product can only consist of 2 H's 1 O, 1 Na, and 1Cl atom |
| 10:18.46 | Tchiak | unless you add another O but then then that type of equation would only work under high energies as explained before |
| 10:19.15 | fireba11 | i suggest moving your discussion to #chemistry or so ^^ |
| 10:19.31 | Tchiak | H2O + NaCl -> HCl + NaO + H |
| 10:19.33 | JT | i fear the machine will not boot if i reboot it |
| 10:19.40 | JT | so i want to try and patch it up before then |
| 10:19.41 | cast | fireba11: this is perfectly relevent to all salt water cooled debian boxen! |
| 10:19.42 | Tchiak | to account for all the atoms used |
| 10:19.47 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 10:19.58 | Tchiak | why would you use salt water in a water cooling system |
| 10:20.01 | Tchiak | that makes no sense |
| 10:20.04 | caphuso | JT: can you still use cp? |
| 10:20.08 | mhall | woohoo ACPI bugs |
| 10:20.09 | fireba11 | cast: and that would be how many exaclty ? :-) |
| 10:20.20 | mhall | osl-0965 [45480] os_wait_semaphore : Failed to acquire semaphore[ffff81001deee6e0|1|0], AE_TIME |
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| 10:20.37 | JT | caphuso: yep |
| 10:20.40 | Tchiak | well i have to go now.. to go collect cans on jupiter |
| 10:20.42 | Tchiak | peace out yall |
| 10:20.44 | JT | ssh still works too |
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| 10:20.59 | Tchiak | bbl to add more irrelevance |
| 10:21.12 | caphuso | JT: and do you have a way of getting an unpacked libc6 on your system? |
| 10:21.22 | JT | scp i guess |
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| 10:21.49 | liable | Tchiak: cause salt water has a lower freezing point! |
| 10:21.57 | JT | i'm curious as to whether it's actually libc6 or another critical library that is the problem |
| 10:22.09 | JT | but the files mentioned in the error definately relate straight to libc6 |
| 10:22.14 | Tchiak | are you afraid your system is going to somehow freeze the lines? |
| 10:22.28 | Guerin | JT: yes. |
| 10:22.40 | fireba11 | liable: if you worry about that you should use a special cooling liquid not just add some salt to teh water :-9 |
| 10:22.59 | Guerin | JT: if that's the only problem, it CAN be fixed, but it's not at all easy |
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| 10:23.05 | JT | Package: libc6 |
| 10:23.06 | JT | Status: install ok installed |
| 10:23.09 | JT | Version: 2.3.2.ds1-10 |
| 10:23.12 | JT | yeah |
| 10:23.25 | JT | Guerin: what are your suggestions? |
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| 10:24.16 | liable | fireba11: i have absolutely no idea what i am talking about. |
| 10:24.32 | fireba11 | liable: hehe |
| 10:24.43 | Guerin | JT: find out which libc6 your binaries need; boot to a livecd or something; anything with debian tools; force-install the correct libc6 using dpkg's --root= and similar options, boot back into your system and hope. |
| 10:25.02 | geertn | I want to upgrade my sarge box to kernel 2.6.14. Is upgrading to yaird, udev, module-init-tools, kernel-package from backports.org enough or should I be aware of any other pitfalls |
| 10:25.16 | JT | hrm okay |
| 10:25.35 | Guerin | JT: safer again would be to mount your / over nfs on another debian machine and do this - that way you wouldn't need to reboot, because rebooting means a chance that everything breaks, totally |
| 10:25.36 | JT | Guerin: do you think extracting the files elsewhere and copying them over is also an option? |
| 10:25.50 | liable | geertn: why use backports.org for kernel-package? /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:25.59 | Guerin | JT: it is an option, but it won't fix the status file which records which packages are installed |
| 10:26.11 | Guerin | JT: though that could be gotten around once everything worked again |
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| 10:26.51 | JT | i believe it does think that 2.3.2.ds1-10 is installed |
| 10:27.03 | Guerin | JT: what do you think is installed? |
| 10:27.05 | JT | unless somehow the newer version got installed without modifying the record... |
| 10:27.12 | JT | not sure, how can i find out? :)( |
| 10:27.22 | Guerin | no idea |
| 10:27.44 | caphuso | JT: /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 10:28.12 | JT | how do i tell what precise version it is? |
| 10:28.17 | JT | i can't ls |
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| 10:28.24 | JT | i can tab complete to find files |
| 10:28.26 | caphuso | uhm, by reading it's output? |
| 10:28.36 | caphuso | s/it's/its/, grrr |
| 10:28.45 | geertn | liable, ok.. |
| 10:28.51 | JT | you mean attempt to execute it? |
| 10:29.03 | caphuso | yes |
| 10:29.24 | JT | ah yes |
| 10:29.27 | JT | so somehow |
| 10:29.32 | JT | 2.3.5 did get installed |
| 10:29.35 | JT | there's the problem |
| 10:29.53 | caphuso | that's bad |
| 10:29.59 | JT | yes |
| 10:30.05 | JT | i've become aware of that :o |
| 10:30.33 | caphuso | well, i'd attempt to get apt-get working, then finish the upgrade |
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| 10:31.15 | caphuso | that means 'dpkg -i foo.deb' must work, and that means tar and gzip have to. probably a few other things too |
| 10:31.27 | JT | which means libc6 has to work |
| 10:31.35 | caphuso | it does |
| 10:32.02 | JT | so i'd be inclined to manually replace the files with the previous version |
| 10:32.11 | caphuso | that'd work too |
| 10:32.12 | mhall | JT: out of curiosity what were you trying to do |
| 10:32.14 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know a good place to learn MPI? |
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| 10:32.22 | mhall | JT: so i can be sure i don't do it |
| 10:32.36 | mhall | Knight_Lord: you know i've been wondering the same without much luck |
| 10:32.45 | mhall | Knight_Lord: i kind of wonder if it got replaced with something |
| 10:32.55 | mhall | Knight_Lord: because the docs seem old and opaque to me |
| 10:32.55 | JT | mhall: i was trying to install some inoccuous package, but due to the testing repository updating, somehow i got an apt depends loop |
| 10:33.12 | mhall | Knight_Lord: perhaps people are using POSIX MQs instead or something |
| 10:33.14 | JT | it wanted to temporarily remove e2fsprogs |
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| 10:33.18 | JT | i let it |
| 10:33.22 | mhall | Knight_Lord: or Beowulf |
| 10:33.26 | JT | and it went down the spiral from there |
| 10:33.30 | Guerin | JT: but you didn't follow the instructions |
| 10:33.31 | caphuso | JT: except that you weren't running testing, or if you did, then a horribly outdated version |
| 10:33.36 | Knight_Lord | mhall i can assure you people are using MPI |
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| 10:33.48 | Guerin | and you made the stupid mistake of updating more than one step at a time |
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| 10:33.50 | JT | caphuso: outdated, perhaps :( |
| 10:33.51 | Knight_Lord | mhall and Beowulf is not a message passing model |
| 10:34.27 | JT | Guerin: i will attempt to never, EVER make this mistake again! :/ |
| 10:34.27 | caphuso | JT: end result: you've been upgrading a pre-sarge version of debian to a post-sarge one, which means you skipped one release and that's not supported at all |
| 10:35.04 | JT | not possible? |
| 10:35.21 | mhall | Knight_Lord: well i'm not sure what to say |
| 10:35.32 | mhall | Knight_Lord: other than that if you find out i'd appreciate the info |
| 10:35.36 | liable | JT: you read the e2fsprogs bug? |
| 10:36.13 | JT | liable: i've reading the odd thing about a similar problem with e2fsprogs from googling, not sure if i saw the exact thing |
| 10:36.44 | mhall | Knight_Lord: i'm suspecting perhaps you need a book on high end math/sci programming |
| 10:36.59 | liable | !tell JT about e2fsprogs |
| 10:37.02 | brosioz | anyone known any utils like plextor tools or nero utils that check the integrity of dvd the errors and make statistics ? |
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| 10:37.12 | Knight_Lord | mhall http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/mpi/tutorial/index.html |
| 10:37.44 | kabute | Can somebody help me with an undocumented problem please? |
| 10:37.45 | mhall | Knight_Lord: yeah i think i saw that but it seemed a bit rudimentary for somebody that's already a posix hacker |
| 10:38.06 | Guerin | JT: in any case, the fix I gave you should work - if you do it correctly, and if libc6 is the only thing your upgraded. |
| 10:38.13 | mhall | Knight_Lord: then again i never had a huge amount of time to deal with it because i ended up going with pthreads because the hw i had at the time was not good for mpi |
| 10:38.14 | Guerin | kabute: no. |
| 10:38.24 | kabute | thanks anyway :) |
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| 10:39.56 | JT | Guerin: that an e2fsprogs is not installed |
| 10:40.01 | mhall | i've been considering writing my own message queueing library |
| 10:40.12 | mhall | because so many of them are hard to use or proprietary |
| 10:40.32 | JT | so after that, the procedure would be to change to the stable repositories, dist-upgrade, then change to testing? |
| 10:40.36 | mhall | sorry i meant network message queueing |
| 10:40.49 | Guerin | JT: one step at a time, yes. |
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| 10:41.13 | JT | hrm ok |
| 10:41.49 | JT | thanks for the help |
| 10:41.59 | JT | i'll now look into exactly how to mend libc6 |
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| 10:42.57 | JT | GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.5, by Roland McGrath et al. |
| 10:43.00 | JT | Compiled on a Linux 2.6.13 system on 2005-08-29. |
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| 10:43.02 | JT | oh and umm |
| 10:43.08 | JT | it can't help that i'm using 2.4, eh |
| 10:43.41 | JT | or does that really matter? |
| 10:43.45 | caphuso | no |
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| 10:43.59 | JT | ok |
| 10:44.03 | mhall | !zoosmite mhall's ex |
| 10:44.04 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, mhall's ex loves the zoo! |
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| 10:48.12 | mhall | ph34r m3, 3y3 15 t3h gr3@7 denuder |
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| 10:50.37 | SimonRaven | mhall: forgot to take your meds? ;p |
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| 10:50.55 | mhall | no i'm just in a goofy mood |
| 10:51.08 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 10:51.10 | mhall | and randomly having an ot comedy rant with liable |
| 10:51.21 | mhall | hence why it's not in here |
| 10:51.25 | SimonRaven | ah :) |
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| 10:51.43 | mhall | i'm attempting to avoid a repeat of my infamous offtopic #d ramblings |
| 10:52.04 | SimonRaven | i see |
| 10:52.09 | mhall | which have caused a number of unneeded curfuffles over the years as you know |
| 10:52.23 | SimonRaven | a few, AFAIK |
| 10:52.35 | mhall | meanwhile i'm using up some innocent third world country's pizza money on a dist-upgrade |
| 10:52.54 | mhall | yes not a large number but a large amount of unpleasantness per capita |
| 10:53.13 | mhall | so therefore still worth avoiding however numerous they might not be |
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| 10:53.31 | mhall | SimonRaven: what pray tell prompted the elongation of your nick |
| 10:53.38 | mhall | SimonRaven: i keep meaning to ask but always forget |
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| 10:54.03 | SimonRaven | i don't remember now, actually (partly because of this massive headache) |
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| 10:54.33 | mhall | oof |
| 10:54.55 | venkat | samba server start |
| 10:55.12 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 10:55.26 | venkat | find out the information o |
| 10:55.27 | mhall | SimonRaven: that should cancel it out in a few minutes after it propagates through the quantum realities |
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| 10:55.49 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 10:55.49 | venkat | i need information of samba |
| 10:55.56 | mhall | venkat: /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 10:56.07 | liable | venkat: theres a shitload at samba.org.. |
| 10:56.12 | mhall | venkat: consider using swat to configure samba |
| 10:56.22 | mhall | liable: who would ever have guessed |
| 10:56.24 | jm_ | there's also samba-doc package |
| 10:56.34 | mhall | liable: it's such a torturous URL and the site has a horrible interface |
| 10:56.38 | liable | mhall: its a national secret.. |
| 10:56.42 | mhall | liable: they bury their manuals about 10000 pages deep |
| 10:57.35 | venkat | that it's not running |
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| 10:57.44 | faber2 | moring everby |
| 10:57.47 | mhall | bastard samba devs are the WORST. DEVS. EVAR. |
| 10:58.00 | mhall | faber2: tag |
| 10:58.03 | faber2 | how come max file size under my ext3 here is still 2 GB? |
| 10:58.10 | jm_ | faber2: rubbish |
| 10:58.17 | venkat | hi friends i need help onthis con |
| 10:58.30 | venkat | that con should be samba |
| 10:58.32 | SimonRaven | is there a way to have something like perl -pi -e "s.@ICU_LIBS@,-licui18n -licuuc -licudata," do it recursively? |
| 10:58.44 | SimonRaven | er, s/./,/ |
| 10:58.45 | jm_ | SimonRaven: yes |
| 10:59.01 | SimonRaven | how? :) |
| 10:59.11 | cheal | SimonRaven: is this supposed to do something else than print your name? |
| 10:59.24 | SimonRaven | haha, funny ;p |
| 10:59.24 | faber2 | jm_: i thought so, but the file is 2147483648 bytes and apache logs a "files size limit" |
| 10:59.27 | venkat | any bady working on linuxadmin |
| 10:59.42 | jm_ | **/*(.) in zsh, otherwise there's sarep on freshmeat, or rpl |
| 10:59.46 | mhall | faber2: apache problem |
| 10:59.54 | venkat | i need information on samba |
| 11:00.05 | jm_ | faber2: that's usually application issue rather than ext3 limitation |
| 11:00.09 | SimonRaven | i need to this in a rules file, i don't want to add any other build deps |
| 11:00.10 | venkat | what is u problem in apache |
| 11:00.13 | mhall | !tell venkat about repeat |
| 11:00.16 | SimonRaven | to do* |
| 11:00.23 | EdLin | !u |
| 11:00.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:00.37 | EdLin | or "your" in your case |
| 11:00.38 | jm_ | SimonRaven: perl + find? |
| 11:00.39 | venkat | i need help mhall |
| 11:00.53 | SimonRaven | i already have perl as a build dep, so i figured it'd be ok to do this with perl |
| 11:00.54 | faber2 | jm_: mhall: it is actuall a simple "fopen" in php4. how can this be a limitation of apache or php?` |
| 11:01.10 | SimonRaven | hm, yeh, but then i add a build-dep on findutils :/ |
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| 11:01.31 | venkat | we need python gus |
| 11:01.38 | jm_ | faber2: not compiled with large file support |
| 11:01.54 | jm_ | SimonRaven: perl has find module |
| 11:02.11 | SimonRaven | that's true, i can just load it up with -M |
| 11:02.19 | SimonRaven | thanks |
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| 11:02.39 | SimonRaven | now i need to eat so i can get rid of this fucking headache |
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| 11:02.51 | venkat | hi friends opens on PYTHON |
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| 11:03.10 | liable | venkat: you need to start making sense if you want help. |
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| 11:03.33 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 11:03.33 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 11:03.34 | jm_ | you want us to open a python? I don't think they are active when temperatures are this low |
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| 11:08.11 | venkat | hi maa |
| 11:08.15 | venkat | hw r u |
| 11:08.17 | premh | panileni panulu enduku |
| 11:08.30 | slibs | what the |
| 11:08.43 | premh | ok |
| 11:08.47 | premh | fine |
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| 11:08.53 | premh | its good |
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| 11:09.23 | tippu | hi |
| 11:09.24 | premh | good |
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| 11:13.04 | venkat | hi friends we need help on samba server |
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| 11:15.40 | premh | whats ur problem Mr.Venkat |
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| 11:15.52 | JT | uhh |
| 11:15.57 | JT | spambots? |
| 11:15.58 | venkat | u know already |
| 11:16.06 | liable | premh: um, you have the same ip? |
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| 11:16.43 | Syruss | anyone know of anything like mythtv, just without the pvr bit? (i.e - nice interface for music/video playback) |
| 11:16.44 | venkat | r u seeing the score |
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| 11:17.00 | dimir | !u |
| 11:17.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:17.20 | liable | Syruss: to do what? play tv? tvtime, mplayer. |
| 11:17.29 | Syruss | perhaps I could just use mythtv without using the pvr bit |
| 11:17.43 | Syruss | liable: something to watch movies/listen to music via nice big interface on my tv |
| 11:17.53 | venkat | anybady working on linux admin |
| 11:17.53 | Syruss | with playlist/remote control |
| 11:18.14 | liable | Syruss: mplayer |
| 11:18.27 | Syruss | what frontend? |
| 11:18.36 | liable | Syruss: dunno about the 'nice big interface' though.. |
| 11:18.43 | Syruss | bear in mind there's no keyboard or mouse on this machine |
| 11:18.45 | Syruss | or monitor |
| 11:18.59 | Syruss | it's just a box with 802.11g/ssh and a tv plugged into it |
| 11:19.02 | slibs | you have to hax up the remotecontroll |
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| 11:19.28 | slibs | it would be cool to controll machine via bluetooth from your phone |
| 11:20.02 | antgel | Syruss: i suggest a dvd player, an amp and speakers, and optionally a cd player if you're fussy :) |
| 11:20.20 | slibs | but that's not cool :D |
| 11:20.33 | antgel | slibs: oh, on the contrary |
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| 11:21.06 | SlashX1896 | hey |
| 11:21.58 | SlashX1896 | can i have any help files on getting internet on debian |
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| 11:22.26 | SlashX1896 | ? |
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| 11:22.50 | Paivakil | SlashX1896: what is your problem? |
| 11:22.52 | antgel | SlashX1896: your question doesn't make much sense in english. |
| 11:23.08 | SlashX1896 | brb |
| 11:23.08 | liable | SlashX1896: does the card have a driver? |
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| 11:23.25 | Syruss | antgel: the idea is to have something that plays all my divx etc...downloads stuff automatically on bittorrent yadda yadda yadda...also it's cost me £5, which is good. |
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| 11:24.48 | antgel | Syruss: ok, in that case, i suggest... a computer! |
| 11:24.54 | liable | Syruss: mythtv may well be what you want, if it can do all tat shit then.. |
| 11:24.58 | Fackamato | I ran badblocks -s -v -w -t random -f /dev/hda2 , and it found 5375160 bad blocks, does it mean they're "fixed" ? (marked as bad, so they won't be used) |
| 11:25.04 | at0m|c | hi, is there a way to get a full list of environment variables? |
| 11:25.10 | jm_ | Fackamato: no |
| 11:25.10 | Syruss | yer liable |
| 11:25.14 | jm_ | at0m|c: yes |
| 11:25.20 | Syruss | I was just thinking of something a little 'liter' thought |
| 11:25.21 | Fackamato | jm_ how can I "fix" them? |
| 11:25.23 | antgel | Fackamato: perhaps you should ditch the drive |
| 11:25.23 | Syruss | lighter |
| 11:25.37 | jm_ | Fackamato: well you can't really fix them, you can just mark them as bad so they're not used |
| 11:25.42 | at0m|c | jm_, cheers, care to tell me how? :) |
| 11:25.43 | antgel | Syruss: you want something that does lots of stuff, and is light? |
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| 11:25.55 | Syruss | antgel: you're rather un-funny. |
| 11:25.55 | Fackamato | jm_ yeah, how? |
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| 11:26.06 | jm_ | at0m|c: env |
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| 11:26.28 | at0m|c | jm_, excellent, thanks :) |
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| 11:26.42 | Fackamato | how do I mark found bad blocks as bad? |
| 11:26.52 | jm_ | Fackamato: man fsck.ext3 |
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| 11:27.04 | Guerin | Fackamato: take the hard disk out of the machine and throw it away |
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| 11:27.35 | Fackamato | Guerin no can do |
| 11:27.35 | Guerin | Fackamato: marking bad blocks as bad is like nailing bits of corrugated iron over the holes in your boat |
| 11:27.37 | Fackamato | it's a laptop |
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| 11:27.46 | antgel | Syruss: i was being serious. you want an app that includes the kitchen sink with a light footprint. however, i *am* un-funny as well |
| 11:27.49 | Guerin | Fackamato: so? laptops use hard drives too. |
| 11:27.57 | Fackamato | really? |
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| 11:28.01 | Fackamato | i thought they used stakes for harddrives |
| 11:28.03 | antgel | Fackamato: throw the laptop away |
| 11:28.08 | Guerin | AMAZINGLY |
| 11:28.09 | Fackamato | antgel no. |
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| 11:28.24 | antgel | Fackamato: replace the stake |
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| 11:29.04 | Syruss | antgel: I never suggested you wern't being serious |
| 11:29.08 | liable | i should be a magician, i can have something in my hand, and ten seconds later, it has disappeared. |
| 11:29.15 | Syruss | however those aren't my needs |
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| 11:29.38 | pureone | smallest netsplit ever |
| 11:29.59 | Direct | Bom dia... Tem brasileiro por aqui ? |
| 11:30.11 | EdLin | !br Direct |
| 11:30.20 | blondie | I have decided nospambot.pl is a PITA |
| 11:30.23 | EdLin | !br |
| 11:30.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:30.25 | Direct | Opa...blz.. |
| 11:30.43 | Direct | ok.. |
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| 11:32.49 | naveenab | hi |
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| 11:33.29 | venkat | hi tul |
| 11:33.55 | Syruss | I think I'll put together my own menu system |
| 11:34.43 | venkat | any bad working on VPN server |
| 11:35.03 | venkat | sorry for that |
| 11:35.11 | nvz | Syruss: whatever pulls your bandwagon |
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| 11:35.55 | SlashX1896 | Hey can i have a link to a help file on isntalling debian? |
| 11:36.05 | liable | !ig |
| 11:36.05 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 11:36.10 | nvz | SlashX1896: you mean like an installation guide ^^? |
| 11:36.13 | SlashX1896 | k |
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| 11:37.05 | SlashX1896 | its ok he got it for me |
| 11:37.25 | nvz | I noticed |
| 11:37.30 | nvz | dpkg, botsnack |
| 11:37.31 | liable | dpkg: thx |
| 11:37.32 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 11:37.48 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 11:37.48 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 11:38.10 | liable | indeed |
| 11:38.13 | Shadur | dpkg: have a botcookie. |
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| 11:38.35 | nazgul | hi. i run testing and self-compiled kernel 2.6.14. What device is a usb memory stick assigned to? there is no /dev/sdaX. dmesg shows that it is detected properly and usb-storage loads successfully. |
| 11:38.55 | SlashX1896 | lol |
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| 11:39.14 | blondie | nazgul: /dev/sdXY - so maybe it's notr working |
| 11:39.16 | blondie | -r |
| 11:39.40 | SlashX1896 | Either this guide is really confusing or im just really stupid |
| 11:39.53 | fabsmad | CDs don't automount. I have to become root to mount them. How can I change this situation? |
| 11:39.54 | jm_ | nazgul: cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:39.55 | nazgul | blondie, I cannot see any error message. That is odd. |
| 11:40.04 | fabsmad | Have I to edit fstab? How? |
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| 11:40.14 | nvz | SlashX1896: /!\ User Error. Replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. [OK] |
| 11:40.19 | jm_ | fabsmad: autofs for auto-mounting, fstab if you want users to be able to mount them |
| 11:40.26 | SlashX1896 | lol |
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| 11:40.31 | nazgul | jm_, there is no new partition :( |
| 11:40.42 | jm_ | nazgul: then something's missing in the kernel |
| 11:40.44 | SlashX1896 | i tryed installing it before, and so many errors happend |
| 11:40.45 | liable | nvz: if it doesnt say that its mapped to sdx then you didnt include scsi support. |
| 11:40.53 | liable | nazgul: ^^ |
| 11:40.59 | liable | nazgul: sorry |
| 11:41.03 | nvz | liable: heh |
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| 11:41.14 | liable | damn.. |
| 11:41.16 | jm_ | hehe |
| 11:41.17 | fabsmad | jm_: what does autofs mean? How can I do this? |
| 11:41.20 | plbgnr | hello, I want download photos from olympus camedia c-2100 (through USB) and haven't found any aproach on web ...can anybody help? |
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| 11:41.22 | jm_ | fabsmad: apt-cache show autofs |
| 11:41.48 | nazgul | jm_, perhaps .. I'll look for some guide on the web, thanks |
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| 11:43.08 | nvz | plbgnr: is it a usb mass storage device? |
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| 11:43.16 | antgel | trying to configure xsane. scanimage -L as root sees the scanner. as normal user, it doesn't. user *is* in the scanner group. |
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| 11:43.27 | plbgnr | nvz: No |
| 11:43.42 | nvz | plbgnr: oh well, then ask olympus |
| 11:43.47 | liable | antgel: and logged out of course since adding? |
| 11:43.49 | nvz | or google |
| 11:43.53 | liable | plbgnr: gphoto2 |
| 11:43.54 | blondie | get a memory card reader :\ |
| 11:43.57 | blondie | it's usually easiest |
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| 11:44.02 | SlashX1896 | this guide is making no sense to me... lol |
| 11:44.17 | liable | SlashX1896: god help you then.. |
| 11:44.23 | nvz | SlashX1896: turn it around.. you are reading it upside down |
| 11:44.32 | pitillo | hi,,, anyone know how to register a protocol in nautilus? |
| 11:44.32 | liable | hah |
| 11:44.36 | SlashX1896 | if i turn it around then i will me reading it upside down... |
| 11:44.43 | SlashX1896 | im just not smart |
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| 11:44.53 | plbgnr | nvz:hmm ok |
| 11:44.58 | antgel | liable: indeed. this used to work. grr. am investigating udev but as a usb scanner, not sure if it's in /dev |
| 11:44.59 | nvz | SlashX1896: stand on your head, it helps sometimes. |
| 11:45.17 | plbgnr | liable ok i'm installing it now ...and some quick howto? pls |
| 11:45.40 | nvz | SlashX1896: take your shoes off first though, so you dont get tread marks on your face |
| 11:45.40 | SlashX1896 | is there a file i can dl? so i dont have to doo all the work, it just auto installs |
| 11:45.50 | liable | plbgnr: man gphoto2? it tells you how to check if its supported camera. |
| 11:45.59 | SlashX1896 | or like a install wizard or somethin,, |
| 11:46.01 | nvz | SlashX1896: yeah d/l debian installer. |
| 11:46.06 | nvz | duh |
| 11:46.06 | plbgnr | liable: ok |
| 11:46.07 | antgel | liable: could also be hotplug problem |
| 11:46.14 | SlashX1896 | lol |
| 11:46.15 | SlashX1896 | i knew that |
| 11:46.16 | nvz | a fucking monkey could use D-I |
| 11:46.25 | nvz | all you need is a finger |
| 11:46.29 | liable | SlashX1896: c'mon dude, the installer is about the easiest bit to running debian :) |
| 11:46.33 | nvz | its WIDHE compliant |
| 11:46.57 | SlashX1896 | lol |
| 11:47.04 | nvz | dpkg, WIDHE |
| 11:47.05 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 11:47.09 | liable | antgel: but if root can see it..?? |
| 11:47.11 | SlashX1896 | i had to find it i c it now |
| 11:47.38 | SlashX1896 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <--- here rite? |
| 11:47.45 | nvz | umm no? |
| 11:47.49 | SlashX1896 | o.O |
| 11:48.00 | nvz | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 11:48.02 | antgel | liable: indeed. frustrating shiznit |
| 11:48.03 | nvz | maybe |
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| 11:48.26 | qva1 | hi |
| 11:48.35 | nvz | SlashX1896: if you have a net connection on the box you are installing on, you can probably use the netinstall image |
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| 11:48.57 | liable | you can use it without net even.. |
| 11:49.06 | blondie | how can I make my routing table not change between reboots? |
| 11:49.13 | nvz | not really. |
| 11:49.18 | liable | but no gnome/kde shits.. |
| 11:49.34 | nvz | the full netinstall only has a base system. the smaller one doesnt even have that |
| 11:49.53 | liable | nvz: but, you can install base without net. |
| 11:49.57 | nvz | you cant do anything with the business card iso until the network is up |
| 11:49.57 | SlashX1896 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ <-- i have that burned to a CD w |
| 11:49.58 | antgel | liable: even more annoyingly, sane-find-scanner -q does see it as normal user. just scanimage -L doesn't work |
| 11:50.19 | SlashX1896 | the i389 netist one |
| 11:50.26 | SlashX1896 | 1386 |
| 11:50.29 | SlashX1896 | ugh |
| 11:50.32 | blondie | ha |
| 11:50.32 | SlashX1896 | cant type |
| 11:50.33 | nvz | see you're dislexic |
| 11:50.38 | SlashX1896 | i386 |
| 11:50.40 | nvz | half your problem right there |
| 11:50.45 | nvz | er dyslexic |
| 11:50.47 | blondie | nvz: so are you ;) |
| 11:50.50 | liable | haha |
| 11:50.50 | nvz | its catching on |
| 11:50.52 | liable | :) |
| 11:50.54 | plbgnr | liable: 'gphoto2 --get-all-files' ...it works :) thx a lot |
| 11:50.55 | SlashX1896 | im not dislexic just tpyo... |
| 11:51.03 | liable | plbgnr: cool :) |
| 11:51.07 | blondie | you don't know what a typo is either :P |
| 11:51.14 | SlashX1896 | o.O |
| 11:51.35 | SlashX1896 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso <--- well i have that burned to a CD.... |
| 11:51.44 | blondie | spelling/typing mistakes are not typos :) |
| 11:51.53 | nvz | SlashX1896: put it in the damn drive and turn it on |
| 11:51.55 | liable | !anal |
| 11:51.56 | dpkg | anal is probably a kind of sex, which is very nice for men who love other men.!, or another way to say anal retentive |
| 11:51.58 | SlashX1896 | i know lo |
| 11:51.59 | SlashX1896 | lol |
| 11:52.05 | SlashX1896 | i did that already |
| 11:52.17 | SlashX1896 | and when it was installing |
| 11:52.23 | SlashX1896 | i got these errors.. and it wouldnt let me compelte installation |
| 11:52.35 | nvz | !vague |
| 11:52.36 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 11:53.59 | SlashX1896 | .. w/e i give up.. couldnt get help on knoppix, debian is to confusing for me.. |
| 11:53.59 | liable | haha, jeez that makes me giggle. |
| 11:53.59 | blondie | SlashX1896: maybe if you told us what exactly doesn't work... |
| 11:53.59 | liable | SlashX1896: awww, dont give up.. |
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| 11:54.15 | SlashX1896 | well |
| 11:54.26 | SlashX1896 | for 1, when the partition part of the setup came up, it wouldnt let me complete |
| 11:54.42 | blondie | meaning? |
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| 11:54.49 | liable | error was? |
| 11:54.50 | blondie | did you get an error message, and if so what was it? |
| 11:54.56 | liable | !aw |
| 11:55.00 | liable | !aww |
| 11:55.00 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 11:55.16 | SlashX1896 | i forgot lol, il run it agian and write it down this time.. |
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| 11:55.21 | nvz | the error was.. /!\ User Error. Replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. [OK] |
| 11:55.32 | blondie | yeah, sounds like PEBKAC :( |
| 11:55.49 | nvz | non-WIDHE compliant user |
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| 11:55.58 | liable | !qotd10 |
| 11:55.58 | dpkg | well, qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 11:56.12 | nvz | !qotd139 |
| 11:56.13 | dpkg | i guess qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
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| 11:56.44 | nvz | timeless qotd |
| 11:57.27 | EdLin | rip asg |
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| 11:58.40 | liable | prolly be back though.. |
| 11:59.13 | liable | !qotd |
| 11:59.13 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 11:59.18 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:59.18 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 11:59.25 | EdLin | liable: yeah, he won't be able to get away from the addiction |
| 11:59.33 | EdLin | ;-) |
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| 11:59.48 | nvz | brrr. -12degC(10degF) feels like -20degC(-5degF) |
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| 12:00.21 | blondie | ouch |
| 12:00.27 | liable | nvz: hah, tonights min is ~27C :P |
| 12:00.30 | blondie | 2.3C here which is damn cold |
| 12:00.51 | blondie | liable: is that.... legal? :S |
| 12:00.57 | bibe | blondie : -1C here, with iced snow |
| 12:01.01 | EdLin | it's cold here too, don't know exactly how much |
| 12:01.07 | nvz | liable: yeah well they miscalculated |
| 12:01.11 | liable | maybe 24 then. |
| 12:01.12 | blondie | I hate winter |
| 12:01.22 | litage | when a dns server sends a query to, or receives a response from, another dns server, does it always use port 53? |
| 12:01.25 | fireba11 | around 0 °C and 5 cm snow |
| 12:01.39 | snail | I've got mail in a one-email-per-file format and I want to import it into moz thunderbird. it lets me open single files, but I can't seem to find a way to import them all into a folder. any ideas? |
| 12:01.39 | liable | http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW4092.latest.shtml read it and weep :P |
| 12:01.42 | Jacobo221 | I'm using udev but I have an MP3 player device which has two usb_storage endpoints (bulk type): one for internal memory and another for SD/MMC cards. the thing is udev detects only the first one. i have to manually "scsiadd -a 1 0 1 && mount ..." to read the SD/MMC cards. what would be the right way to have udev do this for me? |
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| 12:02.31 | EdLin | !udev |
| 12:02.31 | dpkg | i guess udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 12:02.35 | nvz | I need to fix my weather applet this weekend.. I need it to show pittsburgh's weather forcast and current conditions, with wheeling's dopplar radar |
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| 12:02.55 | ngd | hey guys, any AWK or Perl exports in here help me getting just the link text address of a line that looks like: <br /> · · · · · <a href='/foo/bar/baz'>title</a> |
| 12:03.18 | nvz | it should be able to do this without hacking.. I just need to go on the web and get a URI/URL for the wheeling radar |
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| 12:04.13 | EdLin | nvz: Wheeling WV? |
| 12:04.14 | litage | ngd: what you want is a regex expert |
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| 12:05.12 | nvz | EdLin: yeah |
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| 12:05.38 | quitte | weird. stuff in ip-up.d isnt executed on automatic dial-in it seems. any idea why? |
| 12:05.41 | nvz | hmm I just changed it to PGH and put in a wheeling URL for radar and it seems to be ignoring it |
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| 12:06.06 | ams__ | ngd: s/href=['"](.[-'"]+)['"]/\1/ |
| 12:06.21 | EdLin | nvz: I'm originally from Virginia, but of course that's not "West by God Virginia" |
| 12:06.24 | ngd | ams__: in awk? |
| 12:06.24 | nvz | hmm I think my url is broken |
| 12:06.34 | ams__ | ngd: perl |
| 12:06.42 | nvz | EdLin: wild and wonderful west by god virginia to you |
| 12:06.59 | EdLin | nvz: yup. :-) |
| 12:07.09 | jm_ | quitte: pppd? |
| 12:07.35 | quitte | jm_: yes im using pppd for pppoe |
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| 12:07.48 | SlashX1896 | im bacck |
| 12:08.00 | EdLin | nvz: now if the coal mines stopped building golf courses.... |
| 12:08.08 | jm_ | quitte: try using /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
| 12:08.20 | quitte | jm_: i did |
| 12:08.28 | jm_ | quitte: works for me |
| 12:08.43 | SlashX1896 | i got a network autoconfig error |
| 12:08.46 | caphuso | quitte: got an /etc/ppp/ip-up.local? |
| 12:08.48 | liable | (TM) |
| 12:08.50 | SlashX1896 | and a deboot strap error |
| 12:08.55 | quitte | jm_: i put a firewall script there named 00firewall with 755 permissions and firewall wasnt started after reboot |
| 12:09.15 | quitte | caphuso: no |
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| 12:09.30 | jm_ | quitte: I use it as pre-up in interfaces for initial start, and the one in ip-up.d for restarts |
| 12:09.35 | EdLin | nvz: my Great Grandparents and several relatives lived in the Blue Ridge, which is Appalachia. |
| 12:09.46 | SlashX1896 | hello? im back and i have info this time.. lol |
| 12:09.54 | quitte | jm_ so on initial start it doesnt execute stuff in ip-up.d? |
| 12:10.08 | snail | ngd: you may want to add a 'g' to the end of that for more than one link per line |
| 12:10.09 | nvz | EdLin: the 600-mile PGH radar shows from like Belpre, OH almost to Block Island, RI and I cant see storms comming in from the west until I am riding them. Wheeling radar I can see from like Dayton, OH to Philly, PA roughly which is much better |
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| 12:10.49 | EdLin | nvz: My grandma and my fathers half brothers and several cousins live in Dayton. |
| 12:11.02 | EdLin | well, my late grandma |
| 12:11.04 | litage | ams__: in that regex, why is [-'"] inside the parens? won't the contents of the parens match any char and then 1+ dashes, single- or double-quotes? |
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| 12:11.15 | zarathustra | hi I just built an Athlon 64 kernel and installed the modules, where do I find the kernel to "cp" to bootvmlinuz? |
| 12:11.22 | nvz | EdLin: I met a girl online when I was younger from Belpre, thats how I know its right there on the map.. heh its the tiniest little town |
| 12:11.44 | litage | zarathustra: it'll be in ../ |
| 12:11.58 | EdLin | nvz: the main drag and that's it? |
| 12:11.58 | zarathustra | K thanks |
| 12:12.00 | liable | zarathustra: prolly in the directory where you ran make.. |
| 12:12.21 | liable | zarathustra: why not use kpkg? |
| 12:12.29 | zarathustra | oops so it is! |
| 12:12.38 | zarathustra | kpkg? |
| 12:12.56 | liable | !kpkg |
| 12:12.56 | dpkg | it has been said that kpkg is a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 12:13.01 | liable | meh |
| 12:13.12 | liable | !kpkg mantra |
| 12:13.25 | liable | oh fuckit. |
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| 12:14.32 | EdLin | brb |
| 12:14.33 | liable | not that he could give a fuck obviously anyway.. |
| 12:14.55 | nvz | EdLin: pretty much.. its a little town just like the one I live in.. I am here in Leetsdale, PA 1.2sq mile town sits along the Ohio River and Rt79 North/South and Belpre is just as small little town sits along the river and North/South rt77 about 80mi west of here, and of course about 80 mi south.. as it is also on the Ohio river IIRC |
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| 12:15.08 | SimonRaven | !kp |
| 12:15.08 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 12:15.34 | liable | thats it.. |
| 12:16.18 | nvz | if I could even see all the way to where Belpre is that would be decent.. but I dont quite make it that far. with it on wheeling though I can see almost from Dayton to Philly |
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| 12:18.22 | SlashX1896 | Hey, can someone help me with the errors im having trying to install debian now? |
| 12:19.12 | SlashX1896 | a network autoconfig failure, somethin about my network isnt using dhcp protocool |
| 12:19.19 | ams__ | litage, oops, you are right. a missprint. there should be ^ instead of - |
| 12:19.24 | SlashX1896 | and a deeboot strap error, could not dl coreltils |
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| 12:19.31 | liable | SlashX1896: fine, so set the ip manually. |
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| 12:19.48 | SlashX1896 | do i put myne in? |
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| 12:20.04 | nvz | ah sweet I got what I wanted http://image.weather.com/web/radar/us_pit_closeradar_medium_usen.jpg is the radar image I want. I dont know wtf that is that is the default image for PGH but its not pittsburgh |
| 12:20.04 | liable | SlashX1896: if you have the netinst, then you can still install base without a net connection. |
| 12:20.12 | SlashX1896 | i know |
| 12:20.18 | SlashX1896 | but i cant install base |
| 12:20.33 | SlashX1896 | i get a deboot strap error : could not doownload coreltils |
| 12:20.43 | liable | SlashX1896: so, if your router doesnt do dhcp, put in an ip, and the ip[ of the router as gateway.. |
| 12:20.50 | SlashX1896 | download* |
| 12:21.35 | nvz | I need to see if those image locations are hard wired or where it gets them from. because that image is the pittsburgh image, not the one gnome-weather-applet shows |
| 12:21.57 | nvz | pretty sure I need to file a bug and submit a patch to something :P |
| 12:22.20 | SlashX1896 | liable: what you mean, id ont get what ip i put in, i knowh ow to but what |
| 12:22.33 | liable | EdLin: then your router doesnt do dhcp, put it in manually or change your router config. |
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| 12:23.07 | liable | EdLin: sorry |
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| 12:23.35 | liable | SlashX1896: could you convert that comment to english? |
| 12:23.48 | nvz | yeah it must have a master list of image urls programmed in, because going to the weather site and typing PGH I get the right image. |
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| 12:24.05 | SlashX1896 | sorry, u said to put in an ip of the router as gateway, how do i do that? |
| 12:24.14 | mdv | i've installed linux-2.6.12-1-amd64-generic, but i want CONFIG_SND_DEBUG to be enabled, is this possible without recompiling ? |
| 12:24.46 | liable | SlashX1896: when it doesnt do it automagically, you enter an ip for your computer, then the ip for the router as the gateway. |
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| 12:25.31 | SlashX1896 | i get that, but i dont get what u mean about 'then the ip for hte router as a "gateway".' |
| 12:25.38 | caphuso | mdv: no |
| 12:25.51 | liable | SlashX1896: the routers ip, is the gateway address |
| 12:25.57 | SlashX1896 | oo ok thought so |
| 12:26.01 | SlashX1896 | thanks, il try that |
| 12:26.44 | SlashX1896 | what od ido about the De boot Strap Error: could not download coreutils |
| 12:27.42 | liable | SlashX1896: see if having a net connection works. |
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| 12:27.47 | SlashX1896 | k |
| 12:28.27 | mdv | caphuso: i've done apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-generic, but when i do /usr/src/linux/ make menuconfig, it gives me an error.. |
| 12:28.32 | SlashX1896 | brb |
| 12:29.00 | antgel | mdv: that's an image, not source |
| 12:29.13 | caphuso | mdv: it would help if you a) install the *source* and b) used the correct directoru |
| 12:29.17 | caphuso | s/ru/ry |
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| 12:29.35 | mdv | right, thanks :) |
| 12:29.59 | liable | mdv: why are you trying to compile anyway? |
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| 12:30.20 | mdv | liable: i need to enable CONFIG_SND_DEBUG |
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| 12:30.53 | mdv | cause i need to change 7a 2090 > /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0+regs that, to use my sound card |
| 12:30.53 | mymayer | how to select a line in vim ? |
| 12:31.10 | antgel | mymayer: yy |
| 12:31.23 | EdLin | mymayer: yy |
| 12:31.29 | EdLin | antgel: GMTA |
| 12:31.41 | liable | !gmta |
| 12:31.42 | dpkg | from memory, gmta is great minds think alike, or see gmafta |
| 12:31.44 | EdLin | mymayer: then to paste it, pp |
| 12:31.49 | caphuso | GM use emacs :-P |
| 12:31.50 | rend | AFTER THANKSGIVING SALES SUCK! |
| 12:31.59 | mymayer | thank you |
| 12:32.00 | antgel | EdLin: indeed |
| 12:32.02 | liable | used turkey? |
| 12:32.14 | caphuso | pp would be paste twice |
| 12:32.17 | antgel | mymayer: vimtutor |
| 12:32.35 | mymayer | antgel : in which mode ? in normal mode ? |
| 12:32.35 | rend | liable: more like 25 laptops per walmart store and selling out in less than 5 minutes |
| 12:32.40 | EdLin | caphuso: nope, it means it will come from the scratch buffer |
| 12:32.45 | antgel | mymayer: from the shell |
| 12:32.46 | liable | rend: run! |
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| 12:32.55 | rend | liable: haha they had cops |
| 12:33.09 | EdLin | caphuso: nope, you're right. Sorry |
| 12:33.11 | kneet | usefulinc.com |
| 12:33.12 | liable | rend: get the thinkpad then.. |
| 12:33.17 | fireba11 | rend: that's quite normal methinks |
| 12:33.23 | kneet | Sry - focused wrong window |
| 12:33.32 | rend | liable:plus i found out how many laptops they had when i got there.. so i tried to cut a few times |
| 12:33.42 | rend | liable: thats what im thinking now... |
| 12:33.53 | mymayer | antgel : this selects only one line, or ? |
| 12:34.21 | antgel | mymayer: what does? |
| 12:34.28 | mymayer | antgel : yy |
| 12:34.28 | EdLin | mymayer: 2yy to select two lines, etc. |
| 12:34.46 | litage | why would a dns server *send* a packet from port 53 to another machine's port 34567? |
| 12:34.47 | mymayer | EdLin can i just defina the start and End line ? |
| 12:35.02 | antgel | mymayer: vimtutor |
| 12:35.33 | mymayer | antgel that tutorial are not that easy |
| 12:35.45 | mymayer | but this one ;) |
| 12:35.50 | cast | vimtutor is trivial :| |
| 12:35.56 | rend | liable: $599, thinkpad R50e 768mb ram, 14.1", 40gb, cd-rom, 4hr battery... no wifi |
| 12:36.15 | antgel | mymayer: oh really? i don't think you've even tried it. we're not here to help if you can't be bothered. try nano |
| 12:36.22 | rend | celeron m 360 |
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| 12:36.49 | rend | liable: think thats a good value? |
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| 12:39.02 | mymayer | antgel : it wasnt a attack. I first read the docs, and this was not that easy. This tutorial is great, sorry for the missunderstandings |
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| 12:39.35 | antgel | mymayer: understood, no problem here |
| 12:39.44 | korhojoa | Whoa |
| 12:39.46 | korhojoa | that was hard |
| 12:39.53 | korhojoa | I couldn't get in here with user and real name as ubuntu :( |
| 12:40.26 | shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 12:40.26 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 12:40.30 | korhojoa | I know |
| 12:40.35 | korhojoa | But i'd like to install debian now |
| 12:40.40 | shadowcat | !d-i |
| 12:40.40 | dpkg | i guess d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:40.47 | korhojoa | So, any reccommendations on which one i should use? |
| 12:40.48 | shadowcat | uhh |
| 12:40.51 | mymayer | antgel : the most things in it are handeled, but there is somehow nothing about selecting "several" lines. But maybe iam blind and try it again |
| 12:40.52 | shadowcat | !sarge |
| 12:40.52 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 12:41.01 | shadowcat | !install debian |
| 12:41.01 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 12:41.05 | korhojoa | Ie, some netinstall image |
| 12:41.07 | shadowcat | !install guide |
| 12:41.07 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 12:41.08 | fireba11 | korhojoa: : i suggest using the netinstall CD |
| 12:41.11 | korhojoa | Yeah |
| 12:41.13 | shadowcat | enjoy korhojoa |
| 12:41.17 | korhojoa | Is there one for unstable? |
| 12:41.18 | caphuso | shadowcat: damn, is that really necessary? |
| 12:41.20 | shadowcat | those factoids contain all the information you need |
| 12:41.23 | antgel | mymayer: when you finish the tutorial, you should know how to navigate help within vim :) |
| 12:41.37 | mymayer | ;) |
| 12:41.39 | shadowcat | caphuso: well it includes all the info he needs |
| 12:41.40 | korhojoa | shadowcat: i've been here before ;) |
| 12:41.50 | litage | how can you determine which device your cd-rom is? |
| 12:41.51 | shadowcat | korhojoa: well go read it |
| 12:42.16 | korhojoa | !korhojoa |
| 12:42.20 | korhojoa | .... :P |
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| 12:42.39 | caphuso | /msg the damn bots, FFS |
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| 12:43.42 | dli | !tripwire |
| 12:43.42 | dpkg | hmm... tripwire is a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cyrptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Layman's terms: It tells you if you've been haX03d and 0w3n3d.. Use AIDE instead, or for open source tripwire see http://www.tripwire.org/, and for CVS instructions see http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3130 |
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| 12:44.14 | pureone | !gender |
| 12:44.14 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
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| 12:44.48 | caphuso | so, anyone else who wants to trade flooding the channel uselessly with 10 minutes of silence? |
| 12:45.03 | caphuso | no? |
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| 12:45.23 | korhojoa | Probably not. |
| 12:45.29 | fabsmad | I'd like to use emule, but it says that the port 4662 is not ready. How can I tell to my sys to free that port? |
| 12:45.31 | mymayer | antgel : got it :) |
| 12:45.40 | mymayer | antgel its really a powerfull editor |
| 12:45.59 | korhojoa | Any knowledge on how good the current A64 testing netinstall image is? |
| 12:46.25 | streuner | korhojoa: so you think you have A64? |
| 12:46.27 | liable | rend: 1.5G 60G 15" atheros a/b au$3500 two years ago.. |
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| 12:46.39 | rend | does ddr2 raw have to match? |
| 12:46.42 | mymayer | antgel : maybe you can give me a tip : I never can select the LAST char in the normal mode. How to select the last char ? |
| 12:46.50 | Nirga1 | fabsmad: lsof call tell you who is using it |
| 12:47.02 | rend | liable: i am also configuring a dell |
| 12:47.22 | rend | i dont think i would want an acer... |
| 12:47.47 | korhojoa | party party |
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| 12:47.59 | korhojoa | streuner: i have a a64. |
| 12:48.17 | mjk64 | korhojoa: I have a C64. ;-) |
| 12:48.21 | korhojoa | :P |
| 12:48.33 | korhojoa | I have a N-gage :D |
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| 12:48.44 | mjk64 | Bah, cell phones! ;-) |
| 12:48.50 | korhojoa | Agreed, |
| 12:48.53 | korhojoa | this is a pos |
| 12:49.04 | mjk64 | Can aptitude completely replace dpkg, apt-cache, apt-get? |
| 12:49.06 | korhojoa | Only good thing with it is that it natively syncs with osx |
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| 12:49.25 | caphuso | mjk64: no |
| 12:49.27 | korhojoa | Hey, anyone used OSx86 btw? |
| 12:49.29 | mjk64 | caphuso: Damn. |
| 12:49.35 | liable | rend: go to a store and take a look at each. your money. thinkpads are nice though (even if ugly if you count that) |
| 12:49.47 | mjk64 | caphuso: Is the dpkg functionality planned to be included in aptitude? |
| 12:49.59 | fabsmad | Nirga1: the port 4662 seems free! |
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| 12:50.07 | caphuso | mjk64: hell, no |
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| 12:50.34 | rend | liable: well they still have a premium.. if i get financing appraval i may get a dell |
| 12:50.42 | mjk64 | caphuso: Why "hell"? I'd *love* to have package management covered by *one* program, not gazillions of different programs. |
| 12:50.56 | jan_ | I just installed a kernel-image-2.6.14-2-386 but the mkinitrd fails, so it wont boot properly, anyone knows why ? i have mkinitrd and yaird installed |
| 12:51.03 | rend | liable: already went to 3 stores today and lots of looking online |
| 12:51.10 | streuner | mjk64: you didn't unterstand how dpkg, apt work... |
| 12:51.11 | mjk64 | caphuso: Just like rpm. Okay, rpm doesn't cover apt-get functionality. |
| 12:51.12 | antgel | jan_: from backports.org |
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| 12:51.26 | korhojoa | Where'd the 'Bugger all, $nick, what is it?'-thingies go? |
| 12:51.31 | mjk64 | streuner: Well, they are all about package management, aren't they. |
| 12:51.37 | korhojoa | I miss my stupid answers |
| 12:51.44 | caphuso | mjk64: you want to read up on "unix philosophy" |
| 12:51.47 | jan_ | antgel: ? |
| 12:51.50 | RichiH | mjk64: are you aware of the way debian works? |
| 12:51.53 | liable | rend: make sure you check toxmobil for whatever model you are looking at.. |
| 12:52.02 | mjk64 | caphuso: Yeah, one tool, one job. One aptitude, one package management. |
| 12:52.05 | liable | tuxmobil even.. |
| 12:52.10 | antgel | jan_: is your kernel package from backports.org |
| 12:52.17 | jan_ | no |
| 12:52.23 | RichiH | mjk64: paket management is done by dpkg and nothing else. apt-get et al handle the dependencies |
| 12:52.25 | jan_ | mainstream unstable tree |
| 12:52.33 | mjk64 | RichiH: I'm too new to Debian yet ... but I wonder why the different package aspects are split into many tools ... |
| 12:52.45 | RichiH | mjk64: to make you able to choose your tools |
| 12:52.55 | mjk64 | RichiH: Hmm ... I'd say dependency management belongs to package management. |
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| 12:52.58 | RichiH | mjk64: i would hate not to have apt-get, for example |
| 12:53.01 | antgel | jan_: which release of debian are you running? |
| 12:53.02 | streuner | mjk64: apt-get resolves depends and gets the packages, dpkg manipulate them and install it |
| 12:53.02 | caphuso | mjk64: wrong. use small tools that each do their job well, and combine them to something larger |
| 12:53.03 | liable | one tool, many frontends. |
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| 12:53.18 | mjk64 | RichiH: But you could do the same with aptitude CLI. |
| 12:53.23 | streuner | mjk64: aptitude is just a frontend |
| 12:53.23 | Nirga1 | fabstat: "netstat -an | grep LISTEN | grep tcp" shows you what tcp port are used. If it's free, then it means your port can't be reached for other reasons, such as nat/masquerading, or firewall |
| 12:53.35 | RichiH | i dislike both aptitude and dselect. thus, i can just use my stuff and you can use yours without anyone neededing to duplicate code |
| 12:53.42 | antgel | !tell mjk64 about grounding |
| 12:53.46 | RichiH | mjk64: i do not _want_ to |
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| 12:53.57 | mjk64 | caphuso: It might be good to be as modular as that on a certain level, but there should *definitely* be an interface on a higher level. |
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| 12:54.00 | jan_ | antgel: testing/unstable |
| 12:54.02 | RichiH | mjk64: you could just use windows, too |
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| 12:54.09 | mjk64 | RichiH: alias apt-get aptitude - that's all =) |
| 12:54.17 | caphuso | mjk64: apt-get source |
| 12:54.17 | mjk64 | RichiH: w000t?? Windows? Never! |
| 12:54.25 | antgel | jan_: um, which one? |
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| 12:54.44 | rend | liable: You've been approved for a Dell Preferred Account! |
| 12:54.47 | rend | hehe ;) |
| 12:55.05 | mjk64 | caphuso: Debain system is not up yet, but will read about that then |
| 12:55.11 | RichiH | mjk64: i think this line of conversation is getting pointless. if you really really want an aptidpkg, go write it. if people like it, they will use it? |
| 12:55.25 | mjk64 | RichiH: Okay. :-) |
| 12:55.27 | Larsioa | Hello this is my smb.conf http://pastebin.com/437712 - I did smbpasswd -a lars and entered a password but when i try to login via \\ip\lars and insert my username and password im getting denied - What did i do wrong? |
| 12:55.34 | liable | rend: have I? damn! i guess i'll trade the thinkpad in then.. |
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| 12:55.41 | jan_ | antgel: dont know the name, just the most recent one :P |
| 12:55.54 | giver | hello there |
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| 12:56.07 | antgel | jan_: if you don't know whether you are using testing or unstable, i suggest that neither is for you and encourage you to install stable |
| 12:56.08 | rend | liable: hehe. i mean that they approved me that quickly |
| 12:56.27 | mjk64 | RichiH: It's probably just a matter of how fine modularity should be - I guess you would *not* like an editor which is made of 30 single tools, one for adding a character, one for deleting a character, one for saving files, etc. |
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| 12:57.02 | streuner | mjk64: besides, most people saying dpkg system is one of the best, not matter what distro they use... |
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| 12:57.09 | antgel | mjk64: in what way does aptitude not work for you? |
| 12:57.26 | liable | rend: hope your happy with it. dont forget to make sure all the shit works with the sarge kernel if you are going to run sarge on it. |
| 12:57.47 | streuner | mjk64: s/use/prefer or/and use/ |
| 12:57.51 | mjk64 | antgel: I don't /know/ yet if it lacks functionality, a friend of mine asked me about that. |
| 12:57.56 | rend | liable: i havent decided which one to purchase yet |
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| 12:58.15 | RichiH | mjk64: that comparission is flawed. all the 'editing' is done by dpkgm the GUI is done by aptitude |
| 12:58.17 | jan_ | antgel: you should know a mix of testing and unstable is possible :-) |
| 12:58.17 | liable | rend: k, just do a bit of research is all i am saying. |
| 12:58.21 | rend | liable: what address should i check for compatability? |
| 12:58.24 | mjk64 | streuner: Yes, but dpkg lacks dependency handling, as RichiH said. |
| 12:58.28 | liable | !laptop |
| 12:58.28 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 12:58.33 | liable | rend: ^^ |
| 12:58.36 | rend | thx |
| 12:58.37 | RichiH | mjk64: it does not lack it |
| 12:58.41 | mjk64 | streuner: And what good is a pkg management w/o dep handling? |
| 12:58.44 | caphuso | mjk64: it doesn't need to have dependancy handling. that's what frontends are for |
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| 12:58.51 | antgel | jan_: indeed it is and good luck to all who sail in her :) |
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| 12:58.58 | RichiH | mjk64: in the same way as cdrecord does not lack the k3b interfaces |
| 12:59.01 | mjk64 | 13:52 < RichiH> mjk64: paket management is done by dpkg and nothing else. apt-get et al handle the dependencies |
| 12:59.08 | buildg8s | hello |
| 12:59.10 | liable | !irritate paulswm |
| 12:59.11 | dpkg | paulswm: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 kthx |
| 12:59.13 | RichiH | mjk64: those are different tasks! |
| 12:59.21 | RichiH | d i f f e r e n t |
| 12:59.26 | paulswm | !prise liable |
| 12:59.26 | jan_ | antgel: and there is nog good kernel pacakge in stable nor testing where my gigabit ethernet card will work with |
| 12:59.28 | buildg8s | I dont know |
| 12:59.32 | buildg8s | what you are asking |
| 12:59.33 | jan_ | 2.6.2 has issues |
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| 12:59.34 | liable | hah |
| 12:59.36 | mjk64 | RichiH: But you can burn a CD without GUI - but you cannot use a pkg management system w/o dep handling! |
| 12:59.42 | jan_ | 2.6.12 has issues |
| 12:59.44 | antgel | jan_: then run stable and a backport of a newer kernel |
| 12:59.45 | RichiH | mjk64: of course you can |
| 12:59.47 | korhojoa | !slap apt |
| 12:59.52 | jan_ | antgel: pff :) |
| 12:59.59 | paulswm | Hi liable, long time no see, hope you are doing well :) |
| 13:00.01 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 13:00.02 | RichiH | mjk64: if i just grab a single poackage, i can install that |
| 13:00.02 | buildg8s | hello how can I run my ubuntu linux as fast as windows operating system |
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| 13:00.06 | mjk64 | RichiH: Err ... well ... yes, if you have a *lot* of time and nerves finding out what a package needs. |
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| 13:00.10 | caphuso | buildg8s: #ubuntu |
| 13:00.10 | buildg8s | is there a chance to do it |
| 13:00.17 | antgel | buildg8s: drop them both off a rooftop |
| 13:00.28 | EdLin | mjk64: dpkg and apt follow a Unix tradition of having a tool interface with other tools, each of them performing one task. |
| 13:00.32 | RichiH | mjk64: perhaps i should say that dpkg is aware of the dependencies. it just does not resolve them by downloading other stuff |
| 13:00.45 | buildg8s | hello |
| 13:00.48 | liable | paulswm: yep, well thanks. hope is same in your world. |
| 13:00.49 | mjk64 | RichiH: Ahaaaaa! Okay, now that's a little less drastic, ok |
| 13:00.54 | buildg8s | hello |
| 13:00.59 | buildg8s | please help me |
| 13:01.05 | buildg8s | please |
| 13:01.05 | RichiH | !ubuntu |
| 13:01.05 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 13:01.05 | korhojoa | ASK YOUR QUESTION |
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| 13:01.07 | paulswm | liable: Yes, fine thanks |
| 13:01.17 | RichiH | buildg8s: you will not get ubuntu help in here, sorry |
| 13:01.22 | Nirga1 | jan_: gigabits adapters works fine here, both on sid & unstable |
| 13:01.33 | mjk64 | EdLin: Yes, I know this philosophy, I just think/thought that these two tasks go together as *one* job. |
| 13:01.58 | RichiH | mjk64: mjk64 see my first comments about why that is not so |
| 13:02.06 | RichiH | anyway, /me off |
| 13:02.13 | paulswm | See ya RichiH |
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| 13:02.28 | EdLin | mjk64: most other distros(tm) seperate the tasks too, RH uses yum/rpm. Even Slackware has both pkgtool and third party package fetchers such as swaret. |
| 13:02.44 | RichiH | paulswm: baba |
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| 13:03.12 | EdLin | mjk64: of course, Debian was the first - and best IMHO, implementation of this. |
| 13:03.21 | mjk64 | Hmm ... |
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| 13:03.32 | streuner | dpkg and apt are just genius |
| 13:03.32 | dpkg | ...but and apt is already something else... |
| 13:03.58 | EdLin | dpkg: shaddup |
| 13:03.59 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 13:04.00 | mjk64 | Okay, I have to put my question differently: Does aptitude fully cover the complete functionality of dpkg / apt-get / apt-cache? Or is there anything that cannot be done using aptitude? |
| 13:04.13 | caphuso | mjk64: i've already answered that question |
| 13:04.21 | antgel | mjk64: nothing that you will care about at this point |
| 13:04.26 | mjk64 | caphuso: "Hell, no"? |
| 13:04.34 | caphuso | mjk64: the one before |
| 13:04.35 | jan_ | Nirga1: i have a realtek one, there should be support, but it's some clone, and 2.6.12 doesnt like that |
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| 13:04.39 | mjk64 | antgel: Oooookay, *that*'s good to hear! |
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| 13:04.47 | EdLin | mjk64: there are some functions that are performed by aptitude. |
| 13:04.49 | mjk64 | caphuso: "no"? :-) |
| 13:04.53 | caphuso | mjk64: yes |
| 13:04.56 | tomiq | I have a questition:::I want to move my working system to completly new disk with partitions created... I used cp -ax to copy files (is this correct?)... what can I do to boot from the new location? |
| 13:04.57 | mjk64 | *lol* |
| 13:04.59 | mjk64 | (sorry) |
| 13:05.04 | liable | policy? |
| 13:05.09 | Larsioa | Hello this is my smb.conf http://pastebin.com/437712 - I did smbpasswd -a lars and entered a password but when i try to login via \\ip\lars and insert my username and password im getting denied - What did i do wrong? |
| 13:05.29 | Fraze | Hey! How can I configure that in the login screen on the X, the screenserver deamon will run? (and work.. if i the computer wont be touched for 5 minutes or so).. |
| 13:05.30 | jm_ | tomiq: install boot loader |
| 13:05.31 | antgel | mjk64: e.g. apt-get install => aptitude install. apt-cache search => aptitude search. aptitude can also be run interactively (i.e. with no arguments) which is really the dogs bollocks |
| 13:05.33 | JONS | HALLO,GUA KAGAK TAU BAHASA INGGRIS. |
| 13:05.44 | korhojoa | Right |
| 13:05.44 | antgel | tomiq: install a boot loader |
| 13:06.19 | antgel | Fraze: i would start by reading the docs for your dm and for xscreensaver |
| 13:06.20 | liable | JONS: um, english (without the caps please) |
| 13:06.24 | mjk64 | antgel: That's why I love it - aptitude seems to be able to cover much of the other tools functionality. |
| 13:06.28 | Nirga1 | jan_: One of my cards is a RTL-8169. It worked ok on 2.6.12. |
| 13:06.50 | antgel | mjk64: if you're new, please /msg dpkg grounding. i sent it to you before but don't know if you got it |
| 13:06.51 | Fraze | antgel: I'm sure it's only one line to add in a file, that's why i'm asking here.... |
| 13:07.06 | JONS | HE.oon sudah di bilang aku tidak bisa bahasa inggris |
| 13:07.08 | antgel | Fraze: you are still expected to read the docs, that is unless you're paying us |
| 13:07.12 | mjk64 | antgel: I have to finish Ubuntu installation to further investigate on aptitude. No, I won't ask Ubuntu questions here, promised. :-) And it's not sure which distro I'm gonna use. |
| 13:07.13 | antgel | s/us/me :) |
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| 13:07.20 | mjk64 | antgel: Thanks, I got it! |
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| 13:07.49 | JFK11 | ola |
| 13:08.04 | Fraze | antgel: And I thought that there are good people here.. |
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| 13:08.25 | antgel | mjk64: they are quite different kettles of fish. depends what you want/need, and what your experience levels are |
| 13:08.29 | antgel | Fraze: there are |
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| 13:08.34 | liable | Fraze: you mean, people willing to learn for you? |
| 13:08.41 | Fraze | liable: No. |
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| 13:09.10 | Fraze | liable: I didn't mean that. I ment , that if someone, learned it allready, and I'm sure it's very simple, he could just tell me where to add that line. |
| 13:09.17 | Fraze | liable: It's like open source. |
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| 13:09.30 | guiss | hi, i am trying to use a debian chroot environment in ubuntu, following the instructions of section 8.6.35 in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html. When i put "6:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot /sid-root /sbin/getty 38400 tty6", ubuntu brings that tty black, any workaround? |
| 13:09.38 | tomiq | antgel: but this cp -ax is correct way of copying symlinks and links with preserving their function? |
| 13:09.46 | Fraze | liable: I help in what I know (and program what I can) , and other help in what they can. |
| 13:09.55 | antgel | Fraze: it's nothing like open source. we are human beings with finite resources. if i put a .tar.gz up there, doesn't matter how many downloads i get |
| 13:10.08 | liable | Fraze: well, if its very simple, (and samba NT_LOGIN failures and the like arent) then you could learn it quickly too. |
| 13:10.12 | mjk64 | antgel: From what I've seen so far: Ubuntu faster release cylces (main reason for me to try it), worse documentation, seemingly less competence on #ubuntu (no offence!) and binary-only-firmware in "main", which is not good, but yet acceptable. |
| 13:10.16 | antgel | tomiq: it's what i would use |
| 13:10.45 | mjk64 | antgel: Ubuntu looks a little less professional. (Take this as a compliment, Debian community! :-) |
| 13:11.09 | liable | Fraze: ignore the NT_LOGIN satement, i thought you were asking about samba (and was too lazy to check) |
| 13:11.22 | Fraze | liable: Ha. |
| 13:11.23 | antgel | mjk64: beware of faster release cycles. i have been disappointed with it. has had limited use by me on my parents' machine, and have had two bugs that you would never find in debian |
| 13:11.27 | Fraze | liable: Ok, I'll ignore it.. |
| 13:11.43 | Fraze | Anyway, does anybody knows how to add a screensaver to the login screen ? |
| 13:11.44 | mjk64 | antgel: Hmm ... thanks for the warning. Hmm .. hmm ... |
| 13:12.07 | litage | what should one do if /dev/cdrom doesn't exist and you want to mount your cdrom? |
| 13:12.18 | litage | (2.6.11) |
| 13:12.25 | streuner | litage: read man fstab? |
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| 13:12.32 | liable | mjk64: if anything, ubuntu is what i guess you would say is 'polished' compared to debian.. |
| 13:12.34 | antgel | mjk64: ymmv. if you can appreciate debian's professionalism at this stage, it's quite possible that you're the kind of person who wouldn't mind the fact that debian requires you to learn more |
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| 13:12.43 | streuner | litage: apt-get remove udev? |
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| 13:12.59 | mjk64 | liable: Well, better than just "polish". ;-) (no offence, just very witty today ;-) |
| 13:12.59 | JFK11 | i need to edit modprobe.conf to alsa |
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| 13:13.01 | antgel | liable: mount it at /dev/hd<whatever>? |
| 13:13.01 | liable | litage: check kern.log for it being recognised. |
| 13:13.05 | litage | streuner: udev isn't installed |
| 13:13.07 | JFK11 | how to ?? |
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| 13:13.13 | rend | can Intel® Celeron® M Processor 360 and Intel® Pentium® M Processor 740 be interchanged? |
| 13:13.15 | antgel | litage: install udev :) |
| 13:13.17 | Fraze | liable: I'm also in math channel. And i'm sure that when you'll need help in a simple equalation, people there wont tell you to read all the algebra books. |
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| 13:13.29 | streuner | litage: ok, read 'man fstab' and make the entries then |
| 13:13.43 | Nirga1 | litage: Here, /dev/cdrom is a symbolic link to scd0 |
| 13:13.55 | litage | streuner: if /dev/cdrom doesn't exist, you won't be able to mount a CD if fstab is/n't setup correctly |
| 13:13.59 | liable | Fraze: thats all well and good, but this isnt the algebra channel, and we dont breastfeed. sorry. |
| 13:14.05 | mjk64 | antgel: I'm sure I'm going to learn a *lot*. As I did before with my 10 years of *gulp* <WHISPER> SuSE </WHISPER>. |
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| 13:14.26 | JT | if i wanted to extract all the files out of a deb into one dir and not affect my existing package install on a system, would this be the way to go?: dpkg -i package.deb --root=/path/to/temp/debfiles |
| 13:14.40 | korhojoa | mjk64: SuSE is bad, mmkay? It's bad. |
| 13:14.43 | korhojoa | :P |
| 13:14.56 | JT | when i did that, i got warnings that i was going to downgrade my actual package, and immediately hit ctrl+c a few times... |
| 13:15.00 | streuner | litage: hm, good guess, but as 'Nirga1' already said it depends how you setup your CDRW at all... |
| 13:15.05 | korhojoa | No, really, i used it earlier (age ~7) and it was good for me. |
| 13:15.19 | liable | Fraze: well, we do on occasions, i guess you are unlucky, and no-one knows the answer of the top of there head. |
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| 13:15.21 | litage | streuner: just installed debian, and /dev/cdrom doesn't exist |
| 13:15.22 | mjk64 | korhojoa: I know. My /etc/issues reads: Welcome to Nuremberg Windows 7.3 (i386) - Kernel \r (\l). |
| 13:15.25 | Fraze | liable: Maybe you don't agree with me , but as I think, this is THE idea of Open Source.. and humanality. |
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| 13:15.30 | litage | streuner: neither does /dev/scd0 |
| 13:15.36 | Fraze | liable: That's fine with me. |
| 13:15.43 | streuner | litage: what does 'ls -l /dev/cdrom' say? |
| 13:15.44 | korhojoa | mjk64: Heh. |
| 13:15.52 | litage | streuner: no such file or directory |
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| 13:16.00 | Fraze | liable: Allought , It seems simple.. (why shouldn't be there a screen saver? |
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| 13:16.16 | mjk64 | Fraze: There is a *math* channel? Where? (Not that I'm good at maths, but that's really interesting) |
| 13:16.25 | resiak | #math |
| 13:16.33 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2004-12-12 19:44 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 |
| 13:16.47 | streuner | litage: its just a symbolic link |
| 13:16.49 | mjk64 | resiak: Wanted to know the IRC network (if there is a dedicated network for it) |
| 13:16.58 | litage | streuner: to where? /dev/scd0 doesn't exist either |
| 13:16.58 | Fraze | mjk64: Yes. go to #math. people there will help you. |
| 13:17.01 | resiak | mjk64: There are maths channels on Freenode... |
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| 13:17.04 | antgel | Fraze: then feel free to stick about and help others who don't read manuals with problems |
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| 13:17.17 | streuner | litage: what kernel do you use? |
| 13:17.21 | mjk64 | Unbelievable. #math does exist. %-) |
| 13:17.22 | litage | streuner: 2.6.11 |
| 13:17.28 | streuner | litage: cat /proc/version |
| 13:17.31 | Nirga1 | litage: do you have udev package ? hotplug? You talked about it beeing recognized... to what device? |
| 13:17.32 | liable | Fraze: take a look here.. /usr/share/doc/X11-common/faq |
| 13:18.03 | streuner | litage: tell us what you get with 'cat /proc/version' |
| 13:18.04 | liable | Fraze: you want screensaver in console or during gdm or what? |
| 13:18.04 | litage | Nirga1: makedev is installed, but not udev |
| 13:18.05 | Fraze | liable: Oh! That's something helpfull finally. |
| 13:18.15 | Fraze | liable: The kde X... |
| 13:18.19 | jan_ | Nirga1: yes; but i have a clone |
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| 13:18.26 | Fraze | liable: I mean in the propmt of the user name of kde.. |
| 13:18.37 | Fraze | liable: cause after logging it works fine.. |
| 13:18.40 | liable | Fraze: so in kdm? |
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| 13:18.46 | Fraze | liable: yep. |
| 13:18.47 | jan_ | and i got 2.6.14 working now, and the NIC works magically |
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| 13:18.49 | liable | Fraze: i dunno if you can. |
| 13:19.05 | Nirga1 | jan_ :) |
| 13:19.06 | Fraze | liable: It should be possible, why not? |
| 13:19.06 | jan_ | antgel: i found the problem :P |
| 13:19.11 | liable | Fraze: try /usr/share/doc/kdm.. |
| 13:19.18 | liable | Fraze: why not indeed. |
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| 13:19.36 | resiak | Fraze: man xscreensaver, look for the sections on xdm and gdm. It's really easy with gdm, but I don't know about KDM since I have never used it. |
| 13:19.36 | liable | Fraze: unfortunately, i cant answer that. |
| 13:19.54 | Fraze | Ok!.. i'll check these things up.. |
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| 13:20.25 | Fraze | Well, on xscreensaver man there is no mention to kdm/gdm |
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| 13:20.53 | [sr] | hi ppl |
| 13:21.07 | [sr] | the newest packages are the one's from sid right? |
| 13:21.12 | [sr] | or sarge? |
| 13:21.33 | ajkroll | sarge == stable afaik |
| 13:21.35 | Fraze | But for xdm there is.. |
| 13:21.42 | liable | [sr]: yes, sid, but dont use sid until you read the sid faq. |
| 13:21.45 | streuner | [sr]: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 13:21.59 | antgel | !tell sr about releases |
| 13:22.03 | liable | streuner: good timing! :) |
| 13:22.04 | Nirga1 | litage: check kern.log for a hint of the file /dev/cdroom should be linked to |
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| 13:22.13 | korhojoa | People, do any of you run vmware on your AMD64 systems? |
| 13:22.13 | [sr] | whats wrong with sid?:P |
| 13:22.17 | resiak | Fraze: There is a mention of GDM. You may be able to modify the instructions on http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~mikosmul/computing/tips/kdm.html |
| 13:22.20 | korhojoa | with 64-bit binaries? |
| 13:22.23 | antgel | !tell korhojoa about polls |
| 13:22.27 | EdLin | [sr]: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 13:22.35 | Fraze | resiak: Well, THANK YOU VERY MUCH :))))) |
| 13:22.40 | Fraze | ;-) |
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| 13:22.44 | korhojoa | right. |
| 13:23.01 | resiak | Fraze: Those instructions are for running a screensaver as the wallpaper, which is not what you want. but you should be able to start xscreensaver in the first script and kill it in the second |
| 13:23.16 | resiak | Fraze: (Xsetup and Xstartup, respectively.) |
| 13:23.34 | [sr] | is just the new kde isn't on sid |
| 13:23.35 | [sr] | :( |
| 13:23.53 | JFK11 | how to add lines on modprobe.conf for alsa ?? |
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| 13:24.14 | antgel | [sr]: please learn about debian. debian is *not* about the latest (bloatware) packages |
| 13:24.14 | EdLin | [sr]: big packages like GNOME and KDE get frequently broken in sid, so if you're using sid to get higher version numbers for KDE that is a poor motivation. |
| 13:24.28 | liable | damn, theres another person i waste time on for no thanks. my productivity will be shite this week.. :( |
| 13:24.33 | liable | http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
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| 13:25.27 | [sr] | eddul what sould i use then, sargE? |
| 13:25.34 | resiak | Fraze: If you succeed, write a howto and put it on the interweb. |
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| 13:25.53 | spatriciu | where is a HZ variable in a kernel source? |
| 13:25.56 | mjk64 | liable: You're perverted. :-) |
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| 13:26.02 | litage | [sr]: debian consists of a lot of software. however, from a user's perspective, the biggest changes between versions are with the gui, since that's what you see. if you poke around in your system, you'll be able to find other differences |
| 13:26.21 | liable | mjk64: yes. I am. but this isnt the point :P |
| 13:26.26 | Fraze | resiak: That's a good idea.. where should I put it on the net? |
| 13:26.27 | mjk64 | liable: ;-) |
| 13:26.41 | EdLin | [sr]: Sarge is good. If you really *must* have the latest KDE kubuntu would probably be a good choice. |
| 13:26.43 | resiak | Fraze: On a website? |
| 13:26.47 | antgel | liable: those stats are so wanky. kingsley up top and abrotman near the bottom? |
| 13:27.02 | liable | mjk64: that is *not* my site btw... |
| 13:27.07 | [sr] | i just preffer still be using debian |
| 13:27.11 | mjk64 | liable: Oh ... |
| 13:27.14 | [sr] | ok i'll change my apt to sarge |
| 13:27.18 | liable | antgel: no shit. |
| 13:27.19 | mjk64 | liable: So you're not *that* perverted. =) |
| 13:27.24 | antgel | [sr]: why, if it's not the right tool for the job? |
| 13:27.25 | resiak | [sr]: If you have already upgraded to Sid, then you can't just do that. |
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| 13:27.37 | antgel | liable: my blood is boiling |
| 13:27.38 | Fraze | resiak: Yeah, but to build a website just for that howto will be not a good idea.. it will be hard to be find by people.. |
| 13:27.38 | EdLin | [sr]: downgrading doesn't work |
| 13:27.41 | loxley_ | [sr]: downgrade... *ouch* |
| 13:27.53 | korhojoa | :D |
| 13:27.53 | [sr] | not have the sys yet :P |
| 13:27.54 | liable | mjk64: we have a self proclaimed *overlord* it seems... |
| 13:28.03 | [sr] | im a deb user for 5 years... but |
| 13:28.09 | [sr] | somethings i miss |
| 13:28.10 | [sr] | :p |
| 13:28.26 | antgel | overlord my buttcheeks |
| 13:28.29 | mjk64 | liable: Nice. Seeeerve the hiiiiive! *sing* |
| 13:28.30 | EdLin | !tell [sr] -about enter |
| 13:28.32 | liable | !downgrade |
| 13:28.32 | dpkg | [downgrade] not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 13:28.46 | antgel | liable: thanks :) |
| 13:28.55 | liable | np :) |
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| 13:29.18 | ajkroll | this is why you use two computers for a dist... |
| 13:29.27 | ajkroll | no "rollback" needed |
| 13:30.07 | [sr] | brb |
| 13:30.16 | resiak | Fraze: Feh. I'll put it on my server. |
| 13:30.23 | ajkroll | rollbacks are retarded anyway |
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| 13:30.39 | liable | its funny though, cause seeing stats on #debian is still interesting in whatever perverted format they are implemented in. |
| 13:31.07 | liable | !debstats |
| 13:31.07 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 13:31.18 | tomiq | antgel: you said me to use lilo when booting from other partition... but lilo worx only on 1 boot partition... I want to be able (if something crashes) boot the system from the old one... |
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| 13:32.01 | antgel | tomiq: when did i say that? |
| 13:32.06 | fireba11 | tomiq: works fine with grub |
| 13:32.21 | liable | i particularly like kingleys ban page, theres some funny fucktards that get banned here every once in a while.. |
| 13:32.58 | antgel | liable: bloody hell. i didn't think i was here so much, but i'm still 17th |
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| 13:33.22 | liable | antgel: you need to get a life! :P |
| 13:33.23 | Fraze | resiak: ok.. |
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| 13:33.37 | Fraze | resiak: But first I'll have to make it work :) |
| 13:33.40 | fireba11 | liable: where can i download one ? |
| 13:33.48 | liable | hah |
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| 13:33.58 | tomiq | antgel: 15 mins... |
| 13:34.19 | antgel | tomiq: i said install a boot loader. not necessarily lilo. use grub |
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| 13:35.49 | tomiq | antgel: I prefer lilo, however... how can I make it easy to get back... |
| 13:35.52 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 13:35.52 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:36.21 | SimonRaven | boot loader > lilo |
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| 13:37.14 | SimonRaven | !annoy liable |
| 13:37.23 | SimonRaven | !irritate liable |
| 13:37.26 | dpkg | liable: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome plz msg me, Fanno |
| 13:37.28 | liable | !confuse SimonRaven |
| 13:37.29 | dpkg | No, what is my mushroom tomorrow, SimonRaven? lederhosen of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 13:37.47 | SimonRaven | !annoy simonrvn |
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| 13:37.47 | antgel | tomiq: what? if you have two boot partitions and want to choose, configure lilo.conf appropriately and run lilo -v. |
| 13:37.47 | dpkg | CPE00104b0bc51d-CM00003923805e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com |
| 13:38.00 | liable | wtf? |
| 13:38.03 | sward | Fraze: resiak: Would http://wiki.debian.org/ be an ideal place for such a howto, assuming it's Debian admin, or maybe as an article on http://www.debian-administration.org/ Otherwise, http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 13:38.10 | SimonRaven | long story :) |
| 13:38.16 | SimonRaven | BYT |
| 13:38.23 | liable | do tell. |
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| 13:38.40 | possie | anyone using amanda for tape backups in here? |
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| 13:39.01 | shay | !tell possie about polls |
| 13:39.25 | liable | SimonRaven: when you were an op? |
| 13:39.41 | SimonRaven | well, for a while a lot of people with long-assed hostnames like that ^^^, were joining here, and i used to get annoyed at the long-assed hostnames, due to their length, and grossness, and due to isps not having any creativity, so that factoid was created |
| 13:40.16 | SimonRaven | yeh, a bit before, and during my first little while |
| 13:41.22 | liable | haha. |
| 13:43.13 | liable | shit. i am having a typetard night.. |
| 13:43.22 | resiak | sward: Yes. |
| 13:44.38 | liable | factinfo b-e |
| 13:44.39 | sward | resiak: Thought so, and I thought I programmed you to say "Aye!" for a positive answer? Has someone else been re-writing you again? |
| 13:45.07 | rend | wtf! 24" dell flat panels are back up to $1200 |
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| 13:45.15 | SimonRaven | bob2, Penix, cafuego, and a few others would spend hours in here just making up factoids, helping out the newbies, and telling jokes, was crazy.... that's where one day we got this troll - really bad one, you'll see why in a sec ;) - come in and ask "when is the kernel going to have XML support?" |
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| 13:45.19 | rend | a week or so ago they were $90 |
| 13:45.21 | rend | a week or so ago they were $900 |
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| 13:45.32 | SimonRaven | rend: xmas |
| 13:45.34 | tomiq | antgel: "configure lilo.conf appropriately".. I would like to find out the appropriate way of doing that... it's the reason for I ask.. |
| 13:45.45 | SimonRaven | they want to rake in as much $$ as possible |
| 13:45.56 | antgel | tomiq: man lilo.conf |
| 13:46.00 | rend | SimonRaven: xmas is furking me up |
| 13:46.12 | antgel | tomiq: really there is no good reason to stick with lilo |
| 13:46.17 | J_Element | can any one help me how to install my sound card driver if it wasnt auto detected ( running ubuntu 5.04 ) |
| 13:46.26 | antgel | !topicsmite J_Element |
| 13:46.27 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon J_Element. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 13:46.43 | SimonRaven | hrm, seems find is getting used in that rules file, i thin i'll do a find + perl mix for the Makefiles.... |
| 13:47.20 | J_Element | antgel, what do i do then ! |
| 13:47.27 | J_Element | if i need help on the sound card issue |
| 13:47.29 | jm_ | read the topic? |
| 13:47.29 | Larsioa | Hello this is my smb.conf http://pastebin.com/437712 - I did smbpasswd -a lars and entered a password but when i try to login via \\ip\lars and insert my username and password im getting denied - What did i do wrong? |
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| 13:47.36 | J_Element | ubuntu channel users didnt help |
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| 13:48.18 | antgel | J_Element: several options. use a distro with better support. pay for support. try a mailing list. work it out yourself. |
| 13:48.36 | J_Element | lol |
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| 13:48.40 | XS4-6096 | i add memory stick to my pc; should i change anything in debian? |
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| 13:49.42 | jm_ | he didn't consider other options that funny I guess |
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| 13:50.38 | korhojoa | aw crap |
| 13:50.42 | korhojoa | all the cd's failed |
| 13:51.52 | liable | XS4-6096: no |
| 13:52.22 | jm_ | well unless you now have 2G of RAM :) |
| 13:52.31 | jm_ | or more |
| 13:52.31 | XS4-6096 | i add memory stick to my pc; should i change anything in debian?thx |
| 13:52.34 | liable | heh, indeed.. |
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| 13:52.52 | antgel | XS4-6096: no but you could read the channel |
| 13:53.00 | jm_ | good to hear they're predicting further reductions on memory prices |
| 13:54.24 | XS4-6096 | i did that was accident, i just want to say thanks:)) |
| 13:54.25 | korhojoa | jm_ I hope so |
| 13:54.38 | korhojoa | I just bought 1gb in 2x512 sticks for 190 euros |
| 13:54.40 | korhojoa | !! |
| 13:54.40 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 13:55.06 | resiak | sward: Aye. |
| 13:55.16 | jm_ | korhojoa: hmm 90EUR for 512M? |
| 13:55.22 | korhojoa | no, 190. |
| 13:55.29 | korhojoa | errr |
| 13:55.33 | korhojoa | 190 for 2x512 |
| 13:55.41 | jm_ | yeah so 95 for 512 |
| 13:55.44 | korhojoa | yeah |
| 13:56.05 | korhojoa | could have gotten some cheap memory for 45 eur |
| 13:56.10 | korhojoa | but i opted for some nice stuff |
| 13:56.25 | jm_ | yeah I was just thinking - must have been good RAM |
| 13:56.31 | korhojoa | uh |
| 13:56.32 | korhojoa | yeah |
| 13:56.38 | korhojoa | and totally unnecessary |
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| 13:56.45 | korhojoa | it has these LED 'activity lights' |
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| 13:57.05 | liable | wtf? |
| 13:57.11 | korhojoa | yup |
| 13:57.14 | liable | ram with leds? |
| 13:57.16 | loxley_ | leds on ram? |
| 13:57.17 | korhojoa | yeah |
| 13:57.21 | jm_ | I've seen that too |
| 13:57.24 | korhojoa | google Corsair XMS |
| 13:57.27 | jm_ | yeah XMS |
| 13:57.28 | liable | funky! |
| 13:57.31 | korhojoa | indeedo |
| 13:57.32 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 13:57.41 | fireba11 | stupid ^^ |
| 13:57.46 | korhojoa | me? |
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| 13:57.53 | fireba11 | no .. the leds |
| 13:57.57 | korhojoa | Indeed. |
| 13:58.15 | korhojoa | I told dad that that kind of memory was totally unnecessary |
| 13:58.22 | paulswm | Yeah, I'd rather pay the extra for good Mushkin memory |
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| 13:58.40 | liable | i would imagine that it would appeal to gamers with there see through boxens though. |
| 13:58.45 | korhojoa | Yup |
| 13:58.52 | korhojoa | It was nice though |
| 13:58.57 | jm_ | they're the ones who usually overclock systems and need such good RAM as well |
| 13:59.05 | korhojoa | seeing when you booted up OSx86, and then the leds went all funky |
| 13:59.14 | fireba11 | liable: you mean the bright-colored-lights-everywhere-guys ? |
| 13:59.15 | korhojoa | I've got the case closed now (much quieter) |
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| 13:59.29 | korhojoa | or the hardcore-guys? |
| 13:59.32 | jm_ | but imagine the hell of trying to find matching colour shade of all the shiny objects - case neons, mouse, RAM, ... ;) |
| 13:59.33 | liable | fireba11: i guess thats what i mean.. |
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| 13:59.53 | korhojoa | but these things seriously have the hugest heatsinks on them ever |
| 14:00.01 | quitte | im trying to open my firewall for nfs with fwbuilder. this is driving me crazy. i added allow rules in both directions for sunrpc udp and tcp nfs udp and tcp tcp high and udp high. any idea what is missing? |
| 14:00.04 | korhojoa | i've never seen modules that fit so close to eachother |
| 14:00.06 | fireba11 | jm_ you forgot keyboard, fans etc |
| 14:00.16 | korhojoa | :F |
| 14:00.27 | korhojoa | ah, well, bye! |
| 14:00.28 | jabao | question? When I minimize an application in my desktop, the application is not displayed on the panel. However, press ALT tab the application is in the background. |
| 14:00.31 | jm_ | fireba11: haven't seen such keyboard yet, but I can easily imagine it |
| 14:01.00 | jm_ | quitte: NFS howto has some details about it |
| 14:01.04 | fireba11 | jm_ there are blue keyboards from keysonic for example .. it#s usefull if you regularly sit in the dark typing :-) |
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| 14:01.16 | jm_ | fireba11: not keytronic? |
| 14:01.20 | liable | in the basement... |
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| 14:01.33 | quitte | jm_ so that means i have to make nfs firewall ready? |
| 14:01.34 | loxley_ | fireba11: keytronic is nice.. lifetime warranty |
| 14:01.50 | jm_ | quitte: indeed, use static ports |
| 14:02.02 | quitte | jm_ bah. i hate nfs |
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| 14:02.18 | fireba11 | jm_ stuff like that http://keysonic.de/pages/products/keyboards/compact/ACK_720_EL/ACK_720_EL.html |
| 14:02.18 | jm_ | I have > 10 years old Kyetronic at home, still works great, but some of the newer models are crap |
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| 14:02.27 | valdyn_ | quitte: why would you use nfs beyond your firewall? |
| 14:02.37 | jm_ | quitte: you can also forward it over ssh |
| 14:02.43 | jm_ | fireba11: haha |
| 14:02.46 | quitte | valdyn_: unfortunately the server is the firewall |
| 14:03.03 | quitte | jm_ i'd need another server for that? |
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| 14:03.16 | fireba11 | quitte: hu ? fileserver as firewall ? |
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| 14:03.30 | valdyn_ | quitte: but if that is the case then it probably isnt supposed to block things from inside |
| 14:03.32 | liable | niteo |
| 14:03.34 | fireba11 | quitte: got no old box that ouy can use as aextra firewall ? much better that way |
| 14:03.41 | quitte | fireba11: the fileserver protects itself with a firewall,too |
| 14:03.47 | jm_ | quitte: why? |
| 14:04.06 | quitte | fireba11: im doing that for some people that wont pay the extra cost for power |
| 14:04.11 | withlove | who knows the zebra? |
| 14:04.18 | fireba11 | quitte: ouch |
| 14:04.30 | quitte | jm_ never mind i thought you meant let an other box act as the server |
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| 14:05.12 | stewpid | how do i search for packages to apt get? |
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| 14:05.24 | fireba11 | stewpid: apt-cache |
| 14:05.30 | jm_ | stewpid: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:05.31 | colloron | stew, apt-cache search <package> |
| 14:05.37 | stewpid | tx |
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| 14:06.04 | rend | SimonRaven: holy shit.. on oct 22 Dell 24in 2405FPW LCD Monitor $779 shipped free |
| 14:06.14 | rend | fuck christmas! |
| 14:06.18 | jm_ | heh |
| 14:06.38 | ajkroll | Ave Satanis! |
| 14:06.42 | fireba11 | rendwhat about it ? got a 20" widescreen für 505 € this week |
| 14:06.43 | jm_ | I remember that, I said wtf, that's really chip compared to what we pay for LCD screens here |
| 14:06.55 | rend | DELL |
| 14:06.55 | rend | UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect |
| 14:06.59 | jm_ | fireba11: which one? |
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| 14:07.11 | jm_ | chip=cheap |
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| 14:07.31 | rend | fireba11: now dell wants $1199 |
| 14:07.38 | fireba11 | jm_ belinea102035w |
| 14:07.50 | jm_ | fireba11: are you happy with it? |
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| 14:07.59 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 14:08.01 | liable | rend: you could get two thinkpads for that! |
| 14:08.18 | rend | liable: haha |
| 14:08.45 | rend | liable: but i dont necessarily need a laptop now |
| 14:08.53 | fireba11 | jm_ it looks really cool, with USB-huband speakers if you want 'em .. picture is great, backlight oversteers a bit in the corners, you can see that when you got a black screen but i can live with that .. fast enough not to notice anything. |
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| 14:09.14 | ajkroll | I totally nee to rip these doze keys off this keyboard |
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| 14:09.32 | rend | liable: i didnt have much luck finding a dell where everything worked in linux that was also in the $500 range |
| 14:09.38 | Max35 | good afternoon to all |
| 14:09.49 | rend | liable: are the thinkpads more linux compatiable? |
| 14:10.05 | fireba11 | jm_ really neat for movies :-) |
| 14:10.17 | liable | rend: ok, i give up, i am starting to wonder if i covertly work for ibm, the way i am pushing the thinkpad :P |
| 14:10.34 | rend | liable: hehe |
| 14:10.55 | rend | liable: i just want to make my development environment better |
| 14:11.02 | jm_ | fireba11: nice early christmas present |
| 14:11.02 | liable | s/ibm/lenovo/ |
| 14:11.13 | rend | liable: 2 shit ass crts as monitors now |
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| 14:11.54 | rend | liable: so bad that it hurns my eyes at the end of the day... |
| 14:12.19 | fireba11 | jm_ yep :-) also it's nice that even if used with 1280*1024 (compared to physical 1680*1050) you still get a relatively sharp picture .. did that when plugging it in since it was the old setting ... usually it looks like crap if you do something like that |
| 14:12.20 | liable | rend: actually a fair bit o shit has broken on mine, so i dont know why i am so happy with it... |
| 14:12.34 | liable | go figure.. |
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| 14:12.47 | rend | liable: well that typical on laptops |
| 14:12.55 | fireba11 | liable: we got a cuple thinkpads here .. no complains, but you should get extra warranty since they got only 1 year default |
| 14:13.11 | Max35 | Are there some Knoppix's users? |
| 14:13.13 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 14:13.25 | paulswm | liable: thinkpads are great, especially if you compare them to Dell crap^Wlaptops |
| 14:13.28 | fireba11 | Max35: go #knoppix |
| 14:13.41 | Max35 | ok thank you!!! |
| 14:13.46 | jm_ | fireba11: cool |
| 14:13.49 | liable | fireba11: well, yeah, seems the magical broken time is about 2 years for me. |
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| 14:14.25 | hramrach_ | how do you display a web page that requires authentication without graphics? |
| 14:14.26 | korhojoa | well |
| 14:14.26 | korhojoa | this was crappy |
| 14:14.31 | paulswm | The magical broken time is nearly always just outside warranty |
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| 14:14.51 | jm_ | hramrach_: lynx supports that, as does elinks |
| 14:14.54 | valdyn_ | hramrach_: http servers can ask for authentication, if that is what you mean |
| 14:14.54 | hramrach_ | neither links, links2, nor lynx as they are packaged in Debian can do that |
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| 14:14.57 | liable | paulswm: i still love it. just got a new keyboard. though its lived in a very harsh environment for about 12 months |
| 14:15.05 | jm_ | yes they can |
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| 14:15.17 | hramrach_ | valdyn_: yes, exactly |
| 14:15.28 | stephen_ | anyone know which is the best channel to get quake3 dedicated server support? |
| 14:15.35 | korhojoa | AAARGH, this is pissing me off |
| 14:15.36 | liable | the cd shitting itself really pissed me off though. |
| 14:15.36 | valdyn_ | hramrach_: http://user:pass@www.somesite.com/ |
| 14:15.39 | korhojoa | i can't install debian |
| 14:15.42 | stephen_ | (its on debian) |
| 14:15.50 | hramrach_ | jm_: it works for me in Mozilla, bet non of the browsers |
| 14:15.51 | abrotman | there's no #quake ? |
| 14:15.51 | korhojoa | and my ubuntu livecd won't boot properly anymore :D |
| 14:15.56 | stephen_ | invite only |
| 14:16.06 | hramrach_ | valdyn_: cannot hte browser ask for the password? |
| 14:16.10 | fireba11 | liable: one broke two weeks out of warranty .. got a replace mobo at half the price after bugging them for a while though |
| 14:16.35 | valdyn_ | hramrach_: i dont use those the various text mode browsers.. so i dont know |
| 14:16.55 | rend | 24" dell http://users.skynet.be/CyberMonkey/images/tower.JPG |
| 14:16.59 | abrotman | w3m ? |
| 14:17.07 | abrotman | dell sucks |
| 14:17.17 | antgel | !afo |
| 14:17.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, afo is abrotman for ops! |
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| 14:17.31 | jm_ | hramrach_: our web server at work requires authentication, it works fine for me with lynx, links and elinks) |
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| 14:17.36 | abrotman | antgel: s/abrotman/anyone/ :) |
| 14:17.40 | suppaman | hi |
| 14:17.43 | rend | abrotman: your momma sux |
| 14:17.49 | suppaman | I'm gonna going mad |
| 14:17.55 | abrotman | rend: no .. dell.. bad .. really bbad .. crap .. |
| 14:17.59 | antgel | abrotman: indeed :) |
| 14:18.03 | hramrach_ | jm_: this one does not with ether links,elinks,linkks2, links |
| 14:18.05 | nkuttler | and it runs windows... |
| 14:18.07 | stephen_ | /quit |
| 14:18.19 | rend | abrotman: apparently their displays are good |
| 14:18.24 | antgel | abrotman: what? dell are the cheapest so must ust the best components :P |
| 14:18.25 | liable | fireba11: ibm service is good in warrenty, even spare parts is good, but trying to get info out of there reps is a waste of time. I actually asked for the chipset for a wifi card, 10 mins later i found it on google, 5 days later they rang me back saying they didnt know, then i toild them what it was.. |
| 14:18.33 | shay | yeah dell sucks |
| 14:18.34 | abrotman | rend: they don't make them .. iirc .. they're samsung displays |
| 14:18.46 | rend | right |
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| 14:18.57 | valdyn_ | rend: dell ship alot of obscure hardware, which is just problematic with linux.. |
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| 14:19.03 | abrotman | they're computers are total shit |
| 14:19.11 | cirdan | hey, what gcc does debian use to build the kernel? |
| 14:19.13 | shay | so are their laptops |
| 14:19.14 | liable | i think my thinkpad display is a samsung. |
| 14:19.15 | jm_ | yeah there's just about handful of real panel manufacturers out there, the rest are just buying from them |
| 14:19.19 | suppaman | I have to remove libwxgtk-2.5.3 but it says that amule-adunanza depends on it and it is not going to be installed (but I'm trying to remove) |
| 14:19.25 | jm_ | cirdan: cat /proc/version |
| 14:19.26 | shay | cirdan, cat /proc/version |
| 14:19.32 | cirdan | no, i have my own kernel |
| 14:19.33 | liable | cirdan: depends on the kernel |
| 14:19.37 | shay | cirdan, same |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | i tried to console a friend who tried to replace his heatsink .. well .. apparently dell glues the heatsink to the cpu .. and when he tried to pull the sink .. the CPU came .. but left a few pins in the socket |
| 14:19.44 | shay | cirdan, just cat /proc/version |
| 14:19.45 | rend | valdyn_: yeah. apparenly what is the cheapest of the day |
| 14:19.50 | cirdan | what version is the official one built with |
| 14:19.50 | suppaman | if I try to remove amule-adnunanza it says that libwxgtk-2.5.3 depends on libesd and it is not going to be installed |
| 14:19.53 | cirdan | in unstable |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | cirdan: cat /proc/version |
| 14:20.02 | abrotman | god i'm slow |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | cirdan: probably gcc4 |
| 14:20.17 | shay | abrotman, just woke up? |
| 14:20.17 | liable | !lose abrotman |
| 14:20.18 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 14:20.24 | shay | abrotman, want some ritalin? |
| 14:20.31 | cirdan | wtf? i built my own with gcc3.3, i was asking about the official one |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | shay: i don't have my contacts in :) |
| 14:20.36 | shay | got tons |
| 14:21.02 | fireba11 | liable: lol. .. when it was still IBM you could buy online from them and order extra warranty .. don't know if that still is possible |
| 14:21.04 | shay | nice quote |
| 14:21.14 | shay | fireba11, yup, it is |
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| 14:21.31 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:21.32 | dpkg | qotd95 is, like, <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
| 14:21.34 | liable | fireba11: i think you can, i was to tight when i bought this one. |
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| 14:22.00 | fireba11 | liable: i would say for a notebook 3 years .hmm.. dunno how they call it in english .. when you tell them it broke and they send someone over to fix it ? |
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| 14:22.15 | shay | fireba11, Lenovo (who is now the one that manages the thinkpads) still has the option for another two years warranty |
| 14:22.25 | antgel | fireba11: on-site maintenance |
| 14:22.30 | fireba11 | antgel: thanks |
| 14:22.38 | liable | fireba11: i wish i got the extended warrenty. |
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| 14:23.15 | fireba11 | fujitsu-siemens only charges another 150 bucks for 3 years on-site ... think it's workth it :-) |
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| 14:24.05 | fireba11 | no .. wait ... you get 3 years bring-in with those .. it was about 50 € for on-site .. 150 was for 5 years on-site :-) |
| 14:24.09 | liable | warranty even.. |
| 14:24.35 | shay | fireba11, and thinkpads warranty are worldwide.. |
| 14:24.40 | shay | that's another important thing |
| 14:24.45 | fireba11 | don't know if 5 years make sense, but upgrading bring-in to on-site is definetely worht the money |
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| 14:25.37 | liable | cirdan: why do you need to know what the debian kernel is compiled with? |
| 14:25.59 | tarzeau | doesn't uname -a show? |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | dell sucks |
| 14:26.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: ack |
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| 14:26.08 | abrotman | no .. cat /proc/version |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: syn ? |
| 14:26.15 | cirdan | was just wondering, because i had a prob with gcc4 building it once |
| 14:26.24 | tarzeau | proc/version is linuxism |
| 14:26.32 | shay | abrotman RST tarzeau |
| 14:26.34 | tarzeau | cirdan: which gcc4? |
| 14:26.34 | cirdan | cat /proc/version doesn't show me that the official kernel was built with |
| 14:26.35 | fireba11 | abrotman: dell only got reasonable prices for medium out-of-the-box configurations .. never try to get soemthign custon or high-end :-D |
| 14:26.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: doesn't matter |
| 14:26.40 | cirdan | tarzeau: don't recall |
| 14:26.48 | abrotman | fireba11: dell still sucks :) |
| 14:26.54 | fireba11 | yes |
| 14:27.05 | fireba11 | and i'm fed up for this week .. see you on monday *g* |
| 14:27.08 | tarzeau | shay: what if we talk udp? without care if it gets to the destination? |
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| 14:28.02 | shay | tarzeau, but you're talking via IRC, tcp |
| 14:28.02 | shay | :P |
| 14:28.03 | hramrach_ | hmm, it doe not work with w3m either. And the site uses som Microsoft software so it might send some bogus headers |
| 14:28.48 | spielmann | hi. I've installed Debian a number of times and have always configured printers with CUPS. I recently installed Debian Etch and recompiled a kernel includiing parallel printer support and there is no way to get my parallel port printer configured :( What is wrong here? |
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| 14:29.29 | tarzeau | spielmann: checked BTS? tried sid? |
| 14:29.41 | liable | spielmann: and the debian kernel works? |
| 14:29.42 | spielmann | tarzeau, I'm currently with "testing". |
| 14:29.42 | tarzeau | what is broken in etch, could be fixed in sid long ago |
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| 14:29.52 | tarzeau | spielmann: testing can be broken, currently |
| 14:30.09 | spielmann | tarzeau, oh I see |
| 14:30.26 | spielmann | do you mean a simple update could fix the problem? |
| 14:30.36 | tarzeau | spielmann: maybe |
| 14:30.44 | KoRn3 | anyone notice that if you give shutdown a time to shutdown/reboot, the moment the command is entered, apache has a 'blip' and stops working for second or two? |
| 14:30.45 | antgel | spielmann: etch != sid |
| 14:30.46 | liable | spielmann: um, first see if the stock kernel works.. |
| 14:30.52 | tarzeau | spielmann: i hardly use printers, and parallel even less |
| 14:31.05 | spielmann | antgel, unstable = sid, or is sid already testing? I get lost with the names |
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| 14:31.14 | antgel | !tell spielmann about releases |
| 14:31.32 | spielmann | why couldn't they kepp "stable, testing, unstable" =) |
| 14:31.37 | spielmann | *keep |
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| 14:31.42 | antgel | spielmann: if you don't know this stuff you should be using stable |
| 14:31.54 | hramrach_ | it would be too clear :) |
| 14:32.20 | antgel | spielmann: those names exist |
| 14:32.20 | nevyn | spielmann: they did |
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| 14:32.39 | spielmann | hramrach_, =D touhcé |
| 14:33.08 | spielmann | anyway, I'll try an update to unstable (whatever extra name it has now) |
| 14:33.09 | liable | spielmann: hahaha, sheesh, you cant keep up with the mad pace of the debian releases? hahaha |
| 14:33.32 | nevyn | spielmann: it's just the release names have moved I understand your confusion.. it's not like debian releases happen often enough for people to be DOH liable beat me to it. |
| 14:33.38 | spielmann | liable, ok they don't change that often =) |
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| 14:33.43 | antgel | spielmann: as you seem to know nothing about this, perhaps you should be looking to go the other way |
| 14:33.55 | spielmann | antgel, what other way? |
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| 14:33.57 | nevyn | hrm.. |
| 14:33.58 | botsy | do you know if it's possible to block nmap request with iptables ? |
| 14:34.05 | spielmann | antgel, I'm upgrading to unstable now |
| 14:34.06 | antgel | spielmann: ^^ to stable |
| 14:34.11 | nevyn | my new phone directly exposes the radio.. that's kinda interesting |
| 14:34.14 | antgel | *sigh* |
| 14:34.27 | spielmann | antgel, oh downgrade =) |
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| 14:34.38 | liable | botsy: sure, dont have services running. |
| 14:34.48 | jm_ | kor3;that's because that's not a delay, but grace time |
| 14:34.56 | jm_ | KoRn3 ^^^^ |
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| 14:35.14 | antgel | botsy: nmap has many different scan types |
| 14:35.34 | N0S3 | hello |
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| 14:35.59 | honschu | why doesn't this work and how can I make it work? -> load_no_image( QString::append( it->picture() )::append( " not found") ); |
| 14:36.03 | botsy | antgel, all ? |
| 14:36.13 | suppaman | dpkg -l amule-adunanza reports: rc amule-adunanza 2.0.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client |
| 14:36.14 | antgel | botsy: that's not english |
| 14:36.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching amule-adunanza reports: rc amule-adunanza 2.0.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client |
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| 14:36.22 | honschu | ;) wrong channel |
| 14:36.24 | suppaman | c is "Config file" but what does it mean ? |
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| 14:36.52 | botsy | you don't have a howto for this ? |
| 14:36.53 | antgel | suppaman: it means the package has been configured |
| 14:37.01 | maxy | suppaman: probably "config file is still present" |
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| 14:37.14 | liable | botsy: for what? how to stop nmap? |
| 14:37.20 | suppaman | I can't remove it by apt-get or dpkg |
| 14:37.22 | botsy | yes |
| 14:37.23 | maxy | liable: it's pointless |
| 14:37.33 | antgel | suppaman: it's been removed hence 'r' |
| 14:37.35 | liable | maxy: what is? |
| 14:37.45 | KoRn3 | a grace time?.. why would it do anything, until the time its been told to shutdown |
| 14:37.48 | Barnabyh | I've got a simple problem: after gnome upgrade there are two entries for xscreensaver. is there a file somewhere i can edit this? |
| 14:38.22 | maxy | liable: er, botsy - trying to stop nmap I mean |
| 14:38.32 | delire | i'm trying to turn off the park/unpark APM 'feature' on my laptop HDD after reading several articles that this regular action wears the mechanism greatly reducing the lifespan of the disk. when i 'hdparm -B254 /dev/hda' i get "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed: Input/output error". does this imply that the APM parking action is not deployed on my disk? |
| 14:38.36 | jm_ | how are you calling shutdown? |
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| 14:38.55 | liable | maxy: yes, but i want to hear what he actually wants to do. |
| 14:39.28 | antgel | delire: probably |
| 14:39.36 | delire | good |
| 14:39.38 | antgel | MickeyMouse: no, that's mighty mouse |
| 14:39.38 | KoRn3 | shutdown -r 15:00 |
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| 14:40.29 | N0S3 | how i can disable the check of disk at startup ? i need disable fsck |
| 14:40.37 | liable | botsy: if you have services running, then there aint much you can do, except maybe stop there greetings giving verbose greetings.. |
| 14:40.42 | delire | in a similar vein, anyone here know if it's possible to stop ext3 commiting to the journal every 5 seconds? it is excessive. |
| 14:41.20 | delire | anyone here with a laptop running ext3 will be familiar with the HDD light flashing every 5 seconds.. |
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| 14:41.33 | liable | delire: add noatime in fstab |
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| 14:41.42 | jm_ | you want it to shutdown in 15 hours time? |
| 14:41.45 | delire | liable: ahah grand. cheers. |
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| 14:42.08 | liable | delire: famd could also be a culprit |
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| 14:42.34 | delire | liable: how come? |
| 14:42.41 | KoRn3 | well, thats only 15 mins away ;) but yeah, i set a time in the future. however the moment ive entered the command apache stops breifly |
| 14:42.55 | liable | delire: because of what it is? |
| 14:43.07 | jm_ | no, xx:yy syntax means hours:mins |
| 14:43.33 | hramrach_ | delire: there is some laptop-utils or such package. It may help setting up the disk to not run all the time. |
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| 14:43.36 | KoRn3 | ok |
| 14:43.50 | jm_ | I don't see from source code why that would happen - shutdown just waits and periodically sends a wall message and then reboots it after specified time has elapsed |
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| 14:44.08 | liable | delire: try noatime though and see how you go. |
| 14:44.15 | delire | hramrach_: good thought. didn't know about this package. |
| 14:44.19 | KoRn3 | hmm yeah i didnt think it was supposed to happen |
| 14:44.30 | delire | liable: will do. it's now an fstab arg for this device. |
| 14:44.39 | hramrach_ | delire: But I am on AC so it is turned off, and the disk still does not flash that often |
| 14:44.44 | jm_ | maybe strace apache processes to see what happens at that time |
| 14:44.56 | KoRn3 | good idea thanks |
| 14:45.13 | delire | hramrach_: hmm, all seem to be for toshiba's. |
| 14:45.15 | liable | delire: you will have to remount to take effect.. |
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| 14:45.27 | delire | liable: of course. next boot |
| 14:45.29 | hramrach_ | delire: you can remount with that option to see if it changes anything |
| 14:45.29 | jm_ | KoRn3: use just 15 for 15 minutes (without :) |
| 14:45.36 | jm_ | without ':' that is |
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| 14:45.49 | delire | hramrach_: i need to reboot anyway shortly. new kernel. |
| 14:45.51 | liable | hah, no smiley.. |
| 14:45.55 | hramrach_ | delire: this is not a toshiba |
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| 14:46.36 | N0S3 | hello |
| 14:46.44 | delire | hramrach_: well the only promising package from 'apt-cache search laptop utilities' is apmd, and i don't run APM.. |
| 14:46.46 | liable | hola! |
| 14:46.56 | N0S3 | how i can disable at startup "fsck" ? |
| 14:46.57 | suppaman | woa I've got a lot of package signed to install after Select step in dselect |
| 14:47.04 | hramrach_ | what about laptop-mode-tools? |
| 14:47.08 | suppaman | I mean packages that I didn't request .. |
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| 14:47.19 | suppaman | is there a way to clean all requests ? |
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| 14:47.24 | delire | hramrach_: hmm can't see it here. will searching on that directly |
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| 14:47.45 | delire | hramrach_: yep, got it. cheers |
| 14:47.50 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:48.14 | liable | N0S3: english translation? |
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| 14:49.01 | jah | hello! |
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| 14:49.35 | hramrach_ | N0S3: I do not understand what you said |
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| 14:50.11 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:54.57 | Eclipser | kernel seems to find and recognize my PS game controller adapater but stepmania doesn't react to my dance pad ;_; |
| 14:54.58 | Eclipser | is there any way to check if it's working in any way? |
| 14:54.58 | blondie | no, stepmania is forbidden |
| 14:54.58 | quitte | N0S3: you don't use a journaling filesystem if you want to speed things up. or have a look at tune2fs to set the interval between forced fscks higher |
| 14:54.58 | Eclipser | blondie, pif |
| 14:54.58 | hramrach_ | Eclipser: perhaps with some jsutils/input utils |
| 14:54.58 | blondie | a .pif file from Windows? |
| 14:54.58 | delire | Eclipser: maybe it comes up as a joydev. try jstest --normal /dev/js0 |
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| 14:54.59 | N0S3 | liable: each certain quantity of boot, he/she begins the fsck automatically |
| 14:54.59 | resiak | N0S3: man tune2fs |
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| 14:54.59 | delire | Eclipser: maybe you need to create the device nodes first with MAKEDEV |
| 14:54.59 | liable | N0S3: at every boot it rund fsck? |
| 14:54.59 | liable | runs.. |
| 14:54.59 | ypypzmax | hello |
| 14:54.59 | Eclipser | perhaps... I didn't even HAVE joystick package installed... |
| 14:54.59 | Eclipser | let's see |
| 14:54.59 | bizkit | hi, how can i pipe the output of multiple commands in bash? i tried using a subshell: $(command 1 ; command 2) | echo | sort |
| 14:54.59 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.00 | N0S3 | ? |
| 14:55.00 | quitte | N0S3: dont do that! |
| 14:55.05 | liable | N0S3: answer the question. it runs fsck every boot? |
| 14:55.18 | N0S3 | quitte: why |
| 14:55.25 | bizkit | NOS3: touch /fastboot |
| 14:55.35 | quitte | N0S3: you want your filesystems to be checked or they will become corrupt |
| 14:55.35 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:55.50 | bizkit | NOS3: man fstab |
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| 14:56.06 | liable | N0S3: and you havent considered that your hard drive may be failing? |
| 14:56.08 | quitte | N0S3: man tune2fs |
| 14:56.23 | N0S3 | quitte: but it say always ""fsck failed. Please repair manually." |
| 14:56.31 | quitte | N0S3: do you shutdown your machine or just switch it off? |
| 14:56.43 | quitte | N0S3: well then do that! |
| 14:56.45 | delire | N0S3: 'tune2fs -C 3000 /dev/<your_device>' or similar will count 3000 mounts before an fsck |
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| 14:56.56 | delire | from memory |
| 14:57.03 | N0S3 | delire: ahh ok |
| 14:57.27 | delire | N0S3: but check first. hate to say it but it's your computer "RTFM" ;) |
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| 14:57.27 | liable | delire: wtf would you do that? |
| 14:57.28 | omry | sometimes the font of a terminal gets screwed up. is there a way to restore it without restarting the terminal? (it happened to me in real terminal (alt-f1) and in konsole). |
| 14:57.31 | sussudio | delire: does ubuntu even come with any FM's? |
| 14:57.33 | quitte | N0S3: but you have tu fsck your filesystem manually first or it will run fsck anyways and fail |
| 14:57.39 | blondie | well isn't N0S3 Mr Popular |
| 14:57.41 | delire | sussudio: eh? |
| 14:57.47 | liable | delire: and let it completely shit itself before a check? |
| 14:57.48 | Eclipser | work damn it |
| 14:58.26 | sussudio | delire: because that's what he's running |
| 14:58.26 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.27 | delire | sussudio: oh.. |
| 14:58.27 | delire | sussudio: why is he not in #ubuntu? |
| 14:58.27 | sussudio | delire: N0S3 on #shorewall #debian-es #debian #ubuntu-es #debian-peru +#linux-es |
| 14:58.27 | quitte | N0S3: so you have a clean filesystem after the repair? |
| 14:58.27 | delire | hehe |
| 14:58.38 | N0S3 | quitte: yes |
| 14:59.55 | liable | sussudio: i am in #ubuntu too.. |
| 14:59.55 | Eclipser | jstest --normal /dev/js0 gives a lot of stuff... (doesn't react to any presses on the pad though) |
| 14:59.56 | liable | sussudio: and i dont even have it installed.. |
| 14:59.56 | sussudio | and? |
| 14:59.56 | Eclipser | jscal /dev/js0 says error getting correction: bad address |
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| 15:01.16 | crowolo | hello |
| 15:01.19 | liable | sussudio: and? exactly. what is your point? |
| 15:01.22 | hramrach_ | Eclipser: then it is probably not the game but your setup. |
| 15:01.32 | Eclipser | hramrach_, yes :) |
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| 15:01.44 | sussudio | liable: i can understand #ubuntu, but #ubuntu-es? |
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| 15:01.53 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:02.04 | N0S3 | ;) |
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| 15:02.08 | hramrach_ | Eclipser: I know next to nothing about joysticks, there are too few applications for them :) |
| 15:02.13 | sussudio | N0S3: honestly, you run ubuntu, don't you? |
| 15:02.37 | N0S3 | no |
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| 15:02.40 | sussudio | right |
| 15:02.42 | Hal9000 | hello! i want to limit a user to be able to use only up to 1 GB of ram and 50% of CPU, is this possible? |
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| 15:02.48 | N0S3 | sussudio: i run debian sarge 3.1 |
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| 15:03.10 | hramrach_ | Hal9000: it is normally impossible. |
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| 15:03.46 | Hal9000 | hramrach_: :( |
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| 15:03.50 | hramrach_ | Hal9000: you only run POSIX OS, not some advanced realtime os or something |
| 15:03.59 | sussudio | fuck |
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| 15:04.11 | hramrach_ | Hal9000: you can try ulimit |
| 15:04.13 | sussudio | does this server have +g |
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| 15:04.28 | sussudio | Unknown MODE flag |
| 15:04.33 | sussudio | ah, balls. |
| 15:04.42 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 15:04.46 | Eclipser | maybe this'll help |
| 15:04.57 | js_ | how do i detach from a screen thats attached within a screen? |
| 15:04.59 | Eclipser | ddrmat-source - Linux kernel driver for using Playstation dancing mats (source) |
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| 15:05.03 | Eclipser | "might" help |
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| 15:05.08 | sussudio | js_: ctrlx? |
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| 15:05.17 | hramrach_ | js_: C-A D |
| 15:05.30 | hramrach_ | uppercase D |
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| 15:05.31 | Eclipser | just need to figure out how to install it... |
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| 15:05.47 | sussudio | hramrach_: you mean, like in man screen? :-| |
| 15:05.52 | liable | js_: you dont, you exit. |
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| 15:06.16 | js_ | ho hum |
| 15:06.57 | crowolo | I've just updated cdrools(apt-get upgrade) to version 4:2.01+01a03-3, but they don't work, I need to resolve quickly this problem, I think I should downgrade, but I don't know my previous version |
| 15:07.03 | crowolo | what can I do? |
| 15:07.03 | Eclipser | js_, if the screens have different key configs then you can do it |
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| 15:07.05 | Eclipser | otherwise you can't :p |
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| 15:07.23 | js_ | Eclipser: doh, ok, thanks |
| 15:07.27 | js_ | i killed the shell |
| 15:07.39 | CosmoDad | I cannot compile ipw2200-source 1.0.8 under a 2.6.8 kernel, keeps failing with tons of parse errors and undeclared failures -- can anyone please help me? |
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| 15:08.02 | cassiano | exit |
| 15:08.03 | hramrach_ | hmm, nested screens |
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| 15:08.07 | CosmoDad | I have debian version of ieee80211 installed |
| 15:08.14 | sussudio | CosmoDad: try reading the documentation that came with it. |
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| 15:09.07 | CosmoDad | sussudio: I did! |
| 15:09.20 | sussudio | CosmoDad: the files in all CAPS |
| 15:09.26 | CosmoDad | sussudio: I've been compiling this module several times, but with 1.0.8, I fail |
| 15:09.32 | sussudio | CosmoDad: you're obviously using an incompatible compiler |
| 15:10.00 | sussudio | !depends ipw2200-source |
| 15:10.08 | crowolo | mh, any hint for my problem? |
| 15:10.09 | dpkg | ipw2200-source: depends on module-assistant, debhelper (>> 4.0), ieee80211-source (>= 1.1.5) |
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| 15:10.18 | sussudio | ... |
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| 15:10.43 | antgel | crowolo: install it from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:10.58 | CosmoDad | sussudio: I have all dependencies installed the package information page on debian.org lists.. |
| 15:11.15 | crowolo | antgel I don't have the previous version on my hard disk |
| 15:11.32 | quitte | the stupid firewall script wont get executed ever |
| 15:11.45 | liable | CosmoDad: uname -a then export when you compile.. |
| 15:11.49 | antgel | crowolo: did you delete it? |
| 15:11.59 | sussudio | CosmoDad: you're either using a wrong version GCC or not the version your kernel was compiled with. or you don't have kernel-headers. |
| 15:12.00 | quitte | i added a post-up and a up line in interfaces and put the file to ip-up.d. doesnt help |
| 15:12.02 | CosmoDad | sussudio: and I don't have files in caps only within /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source, only the README.* |
| 15:12.11 | crowolo | yes antgel, time ago |
| 15:12.27 | antgel | crowolo: what release of debian are you using? |
| 15:12.31 | crowolo | testing |
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| 15:12.48 | antgel | crowolo: you could have a look at http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:13.09 | CosmoDad | liable: you mean export the correct compiler version? |
| 15:13.10 | crowolo | uhm, ok |
| 15:13.30 | liable | CosmoDad: yes, i believe that is what i meant :P |
| 15:13.36 | CosmoDad | liable: can't see any gcc version with uname -a ... |
| 15:13.47 | quitte | maybe i should add some random sleep value so the interface has time to come up? |
| 15:13.56 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/version |
| 15:13.57 | liable | CosmoDad: yes, thats cause i am full o shit.. |
| 15:14.15 | CosmoDad | sussudio: how'd I find out the version my kernel was compiled with? |
| 15:14.39 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/version |
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| 15:15.08 | SimonRaven | read your fricking terminal |
| 15:15.09 | CosmoDad | SimonRaven: ok |
| 15:15.30 | CosmoDad | sussudio: compiler version are identical -- maybe I need 4.0 or something for this ipw2200 version |
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| 15:15.43 | delire | .. |
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| 15:15.51 | samuel | anyone know of a program like glade but not glade? an interface builder for gnome? |
| 15:15.56 | SimonRaven | no, you use the same version |
| 15:16.00 | CosmoDad | sussudio: what files did you refer to when you said "all caps file" exactly? |
| 15:16.07 | Eclipser | meh |
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| 15:16.19 | Eclipser | ddrmat.ko is whining about "no such device" |
| 15:16.36 | liable | ipw220 is the intel wireless? |
| 15:16.45 | delire | Eclipser: as i said MAKEDEV might help |
| 15:16.45 | sussudio | CosmoDad: usually sources like this come with things like QUICKINSTALL and/or README.NOW |
| 15:16.46 | CosmoDad | SimonRaven: ? /proc/version is gcc 3.3.5 which is the same compiler version I used |
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| 15:17.00 | liable | which has just been reincluded in kernel? |
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| 15:17.08 | CosmoDad | sussudio: I read those, no hint concerning gcc version in there |
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| 15:17.36 | delire | Eclipser: have you tried 'jstest --normal /dev/<yourdevice>'? |
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| 15:17.48 | Eclipser | delire, reading README might help too |
| 15:17.50 | Eclipser | yes |
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| 15:17.59 | delire | Eclipser: ;) |
| 15:18.33 | delire | Eclipser: are you making a game for the dancepad? |
| 15:18.41 | Eclipser | no |
| 15:18.52 | Eclipser | I'm trying to get it working with stepmania |
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| 15:19.02 | delire | Eclipser: super |
| 15:19.32 | Eclipser | jstest --normal /dev/js0 says a lot of stuff |
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| 15:19.46 | ILF_ | is there a chan for apt? |
| 15:19.56 | SimonRaven | just ask |
| 15:19.57 | antgel | ILF_: here |
| 15:19.59 | delire | Eclipser: hit the pad. test 'buttons' |
| 15:20.07 | liable | apt: hello |
| 15:20.09 | apt | Howdy Bub |
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| 15:20.11 | Eclipser | it doesn't react :) |
| 15:20.15 | ILF_ | how can i see the maintainer of a package, when all i have is the .deb and it's not on a package server? |
| 15:20.20 | antgel | Eclipser: do you have a webcam so we can watch you dance on the dancepad? |
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| 15:20.27 | antgel | ILF_: dpkg -I? |
| 15:20.30 | Eclipser | no! |
| 15:20.31 | Eclipser | :) |
| 15:20.35 | SimonRaven | apt: test |
| 15:20.37 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 15:20.37 | delire | Eclipser: hmm.. su you just have lines and lines of fields. you have button numbers? |
| 15:20.50 | ILF_ | antgel: thx, guess man works, d'uh :) |
| 15:20.52 | sussudio | http://members.cox.net/transam57/lights.wmv |
| 15:21.04 | delire | Eclipser: maybe check out the pydance project. maybe they have clues for you on a setup level. |
| 15:21.04 | cirdan | hehe |
| 15:21.08 | NoZ | Good evening everyone, how can i delete a file called "-x" with rm? |
| 15:21.09 | Eclipser | delire, "few" as in a tens of lines with a lot of <number>:off and stuff |
| 15:21.16 | liable | ILF_: i would imagine that its in the docs of the package somewhere.. |
| 15:21.21 | delire | sussudio: i missed the blinkenlights here in Berlin by a day damnit. |
| 15:21.28 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 15:21.44 | Eclipser | delire, I'll check it out |
| 15:21.46 | delire | Eclipser: that sounds right. you should be able to step on the mat and see output. |
| 15:21.58 | SimonRaven | NoZ: rm -- -x; rm \-x |
| 15:22.06 | delire | Eclipser: then again, maybe these days it's not handled as a joystick device. |
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| 15:22.16 | NoZ | SimonRaven, thx i ll try |
| 15:22.25 | liable | bah, fuck, that caused firefox to shit its pants.. |
| 15:22.26 | antgel | !tell NoZ about thx |
| 15:22.41 | Eclipser | delire, I think it is actually, since I don't really have a 'real' joystick |
| 15:22.45 | SimonRaven | thicks |
| 15:22.51 | Eclipser | and jstest is giving me something from /dev/js0 |
| 15:23.00 | SimonRaven | could be thucks too |
| 15:23.25 | NoZ | antgel, sorry ... i mean thanks of course :) |
| 15:23.43 | sussudio | liable: can't you use the url directly with mplayer? |
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| 15:24.06 | delire | Eclipser: 'sounds about right. |
| 15:24.41 | Roxport | I accidentally apt-get upgrade and now running unstable. how to get back to sarge/stable? |
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| 15:24.52 | sussudio | ... |
| 15:24.58 | SimonRaven | you don't, not without a reinstall |
| 15:25.06 | sussudio | Roxport: that doesn't happen accidently. |
| 15:25.08 | delire | Roxport: jesus man. how 'accidental' can you be? |
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| 15:25.29 | Roxport | well, ok, i was following suggesetion to upgrade security packages from debian.org page |
| 15:25.40 | quitte | even plog is empty. im beginning to think that the ppp package installed is broken |
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| 15:25.45 | Roxport | it said do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and i didn't realize it would up grade kernel |
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| 15:25.51 | delire | Roxport: i doubt they would have told you to upgade to unstable to ensure security |
| 15:26.10 | liable | sussudio: nm, restarted, and its playing, funky! |
| 15:26.21 | sussudio | liable: best use of blinkenlights ever. |
| 15:26.35 | liable | sussudio: fuck yeah. |
| 15:26.39 | Roxport | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
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| 15:26.56 | Roxport | "4.2 Execute a security update" |
| 15:27.09 | sussudio | liable: song is by Trans-Siberian Orchestra, btw. It's called "Wizards in Winter" |
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| 15:27.31 | Ronin | no where does it say to change to testing or tech Roxport |
| 15:27.44 | Roxport | what does apt-get upgrade to? |
| 15:27.46 | Roxport | do? |
| 15:27.55 | Ronin | unstable i mean, damn fingers |
| 15:27.58 | todd | How do I troubleshoot a "no dhcpoffer" message via wireless connection. Device shows connection to router. Just no ip assigned |
| 15:28.06 | antgel | Roxport: the documentation refers to the release. stable. which is what i think you should use as you have no idea how debian releases work (/msg dpkg releases) |
| 15:28.11 | SimonRaven | man apt-get |
| 15:28.14 | liable | sussudio: you seen it? |
| 15:28.28 | sussudio | liable: i have |
| 15:28.53 | antgel | todd: you sort out your settings, especially encryption. you configure a static ip and try to ping the router |
| 15:29.12 | Roxport | i ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and now i'm running testing/unstable version |
| 15:29.27 | antgel | sussudio: TSO! aren't they a version of some prog metal band? |
| 15:29.31 | Ronin | then you did something other then what that url said to do |
| 15:29.38 | SimonRaven | um, it doesn't say to upgrade to sid. which i thought might be the case.... |
| 15:29.53 | sussudio | antgel: yup |
| 15:30.00 | Eclipser | meh |
| 15:30.02 | SimonRaven | or testing... you fucked up |
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| 15:30.45 | Actomik | hi all |
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| 15:30.58 | SimonRaven | blaming the docs when it's not even *in* the docs is lame |
| 15:31.10 | Roxport | so, to get back to stable(sarge), i just need to pop netinst disk in a re-install? |
| 15:31.19 | antgel | !tell Roxport about unix lessons |
| 15:31.25 | Roxport | i'm not blaming docs, just tyring to figure out why whent ot new kernle |
| 15:31.45 | SimonRaven | new kernel != testing |
| 15:31.48 | Roxport | can't understand why apt-get upgrade caused me to change kernels |
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| 15:32.01 | antgel | Roxport: apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade kernels |
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| 15:32.10 | SimonRaven | it won't - only if there's an update *on the same version of kernel* |
| 15:32.13 | Roxport | wait, maybe kernel did not change... |
| 15:32.14 | delire | Roxport: did you 'dist-upgrade'? |
| 15:32.18 | Roxport | no |
| 15:32.29 | Roxport | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 15:32.30 | groogs | how do i boot off someone that is connected by ssh? |
| 15:32.31 | Roxport | current |
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| 15:32.38 | SimonRaven | it won't remove it, nor will it upgrade to a later version. ever. |
| 15:32.40 | Roxport | kernel i'm running |
| 15:32.41 | bbrazil | groogs: kill |
| 15:32.41 | delire | groogs: hehe |
| 15:32.47 | groogs | bbrazil: kill what? |
| 15:32.52 | bbrazil | groogs: their ssh process |
| 15:32.55 | cirdan | apt-get install slay |
| 15:33.14 | bbrazil | cirdan: pkill -u username |
| 15:33.18 | todd | If a router allows connection of a device, isn't encryption already configured properly? Or encryption comes in when ip is assigned |
| 15:33.20 | groogs | oh, so the sshd process |
| 15:33.22 | cirdan | slay is more fun |
| 15:33.30 | delire | bbrazil: that is an excellent switch |
| 15:33.30 | cirdan | esp. if you're not root when you try it :-) |
| 15:33.46 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 15:33.47 | bbrazil | cirdan: pkill works on more systems |
| 15:33.54 | cirdan | slay is more fun |
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| 15:34.04 | liable | todd: ?? wtf are you talking about? |
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| 15:34.28 | groogs | bbrazil: thanks |
| 15:34.31 | todd | I have a wireless connection to a router but can't get ip asigned via dhcp. no dhcpoffer is what I get |
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| 15:34.37 | delire | bbrazil: i've been using debian since potato and only just learned this switch. |
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| 15:34.41 | SimonRaven | wtf. encryption != connection |
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| 15:35.00 | todd | How do I troubleshoot this? |
| 15:35.02 | cirdan | delire: turn off encryption, it's useless |
| 15:35.38 | delire | **really useful** |
| 15:35.51 | liable | todd: turn encryption off first on the router. |
| 15:36.03 | todd | That's been done. still same error |
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| 15:36.25 | liable | todd: then there aint no dhcp server running.. |
| 15:36.43 | ben`druk | or check dhcp server for an request |
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| 15:36.52 | todd | There are other pcs in the network getting dhcp assigned from same router. |
| 15:37.12 | todd | I've also had other distros on the same pc with same equipment work |
| 15:37.13 | antgel | todd: i told you what to do ^^ |
| 15:37.16 | iNjEkTiLo | hi |
| 15:37.38 | fireedo | hello...I just installed my first debian :) and it work like champ .....but I got 2 questions: how to use file manager (GNOME) as a root and how to edit/add apps on gnome menu? thanx in advance |
| 15:37.44 | todd | antgel: yes you did but I was unclear. |
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| 15:37.59 | CosmoDad | todd: the network capabilities of the WLAN device actually work? tried a ping? |
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| 15:38.18 | todd | Yes, can ping device, not router |
| 15:38.29 | delire | todd: what is the AP of the router? |
| 15:38.36 | delire | todd: sorry 'ESSID' |
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| 15:39.00 | liable | todd: ping what device? |
| 15:39.12 | todd | 00:13:46:1D:BC:0D |
| 15:39.15 | thingfish | fireedo: first of all, you don't log into gnome as root. Log in as a regular user, then if you need to perform root duties, open a terminal and su to root. |
| 15:39.20 | liable | todd: do you have an ethernet connection up as well? |
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| 15:39.45 | thingfish | fireedo: and my impression is (never tried it myself) that editing gnome menus is at least difficult. |
| 15:39.46 | todd | liable: No, just wireless |
| 15:39.53 | liable | todd: whats the output of route? |
| 15:40.06 | todd | Liable: no output |
| 15:40.10 | CosmoDad | todd: make sure the DHCP server is not distributing IP addresses to known hosts only |
| 15:40.26 | liable | todd: ok, so ifconfig shows the iface as up? iwconfig shows the iface? |
| 15:40.32 | fireedo | thingfish:so there is no apps that can help us to add another apps on gnome menu? |
| 15:40.53 | todd | thanks for all the help, trying to keep up with all the questions |
| 15:40.55 | thingfish | fireedo: there might be, but I've never heard of any. |
| 15:40.59 | delire | todd: FYI for a list of AP's, encryption status and their HWADDR 'iwlist <DEVICE> scanning' if unsure. then 'iwconfig <DEVICE> essid <ESSID>; ifup <DEVICE>' ifup you have DHCP setup on the AP. |
| 15:41.14 | todd | iwconfig shows connection to router with ap address, if config shows up but no ip assigned |
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| 15:41.41 | fireedo | thingfish:ok thanx a lot....btw how to update gnome? |
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| 15:42.17 | thingfish | fireedo: apt-get update && apt-get install gnome |
| 15:42.18 | todd | delire: I've done what you said, device shows as it's up, dhcp is set up on ap as other pcs are working properly with dhcp |
| 15:42.35 | delire | todd: so what does ifconfig say now? |
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| 15:42.51 | delire | todd: so you are given an IP on that device? |
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| 15:43.20 | thingfish | fireedo: there have been many security updates to sarge since it was released. You should probably update your entire installation, not just gnome. |
| 15:43.22 | fireedo | thingfish:thanx |
| 15:43.30 | thingfish | you're welcome, fireedo. |
| 15:43.33 | xtf | Hi. Does anyone know where the php5-mysqli package is? |
| 15:43.34 | thingfish | have fun |
| 15:43.42 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | how can i change apache2's defaults 'index.html' path? |
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| 15:44.02 | antgel | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz: by reading the manual |
| 15:44.10 | todd | ifconfig gives output, I just don't see the usual line where an ip is assigned to the device |
| 15:44.16 | delire | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz: i would suggest /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:44.18 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | ye,i am change rootpath |
| 15:44.25 | antgel | todd: can you ping the router with a static ip? |
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| 15:44.45 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 15:44.59 | lestest | hi there can anybody suggest an easy to set up forum? |
| 15:45.09 | todd | And how do I set a static ip? ifconfig options? |
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| 15:45.20 | delire | ifconfig <DEVICE> <IP> |
| 15:45.39 | todd | Do I have to include a netmask or any other options? |
| 15:45.51 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | can uses ifconfig set gateway ???? |
| 15:45.54 | delire | yes |
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| 15:46.01 | delire | sorry route |
| 15:46.04 | antgel | todd: man interfaces |
| 15:46.05 | liable | todd: try iwlist scan |
| 15:46.10 | liable | ning |
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| 15:46.29 | liable | man iwconfig |
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| 15:46.43 | dimir | zzer: do you mind making yourself a favour by changing your nick to something less lame? |
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| 15:46.52 | dimir | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz I mean |
| 15:46.58 | todd | liable: scan shows router, and iwconfig looks like it's connected as it shows ap addr, just no ip assignment |
| 15:47.02 | liable | !nickometer ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 15:47.03 | dpkg | 'ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz' is 69.000% lame, liable |
| 15:47.03 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | delire, how can i change default path |
| 15:47.43 | delire | todd: so, when you run 'dhclient' what happens |
| 15:47.49 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | dpkg, what??????? |
| 15:47.50 | dpkg | This! |
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| 15:48.05 | rosco_ | hi |
| 15:48.08 | todd | gives a dhcprequest and comes back with no dhcpoffer received??? |
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| 15:48.51 | antgel | todd: how about you stop repeating and try a static ip? |
| 15:48.54 | delire | todd: assuming the AP is operating a DHCP server, ESSID for your client nick and you have 'association'status, you should be able to ask for an IP |
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| 15:49.04 | rosco_ | I have 2 services that I want to modify: shorewallaand ntpdate. They are both in /etc/init.d/ but I cannot find their links in rcx. But they are started at boot. how is it possible ? |
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| 15:49.32 | delire | todd: i agree, try a static IP. also check your router is not set to allow only a restricted number of clients. |
| 15:49.40 | todd | antgel: I appreciate your help and will try that route. I'm just very interested currently why dhcp won't work properly |
| 15:50.04 | antgel | todd: you need to crawl before you can walk |
| 15:50.06 | delire | delire: is it your router? |
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| 15:50.14 | delire | shit |
| 15:50.24 | delire | time to leave when i address myself |
| 15:50.35 | antgel | dpkg should really do something humorous on these occasions |
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| 15:52.24 | Roxport | so, i can't revert back to stable once I've gone to testing kernel (without totally re-installing)? |
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| 15:52.34 | todd | So it's connected and I can ping the router and www.google.com |
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| 15:52.42 | todd | That was via static route |
| 15:52.43 | antgel | Roxport: you're using a stable kernel |
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| 15:52.52 | Roxport | oh |
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| 15:53.20 | antgel | todd: as delire said, perhaps your router dhcp address range is too small. |
| 15:53.20 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | todd, what mean via |
| 15:53.27 | todd | Now I do want to understand why it wouldn't take one via dhcp though? |
| 15:53.27 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | via |
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| 15:53.43 | cirdan | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz: look it up |
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| 15:53.58 | antgel | !dict via |
| 15:53.59 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | cirdan, on |
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| 15:54.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'via' (3): Via Lactea [L.] (Anat.), the Milky Way, or Galaxy. See Galaxy, 1. ;; Via \Vi"a\, n. [L. See Way.] A road way. ;; Via media [L.] (Theol.), the middle way; -- a name applied to their own position by the Anglican high-churchmen, as being between the Roman Catholic Church and what they term extreme Protestantism.. |
| 15:54.04 | Vyrus001 | ok so i just downloaded, compiled, and modprobed the driver for my new usb "zd1211" wifi card however the device does not show up in iwconfig or ifconfig, on the other hand it is lit up and lsusb shows it. what do i do to get this thing running ? |
| 15:54.07 | antgel | hmm |
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| 15:54.58 | denis_ | hello room |
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| 15:54.59 | Skrotto | !room |
| 15:54.59 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 15:54.59 | `4th | hello penis |
| 15:54.59 | `4th | oops... |
| 15:54.59 | todd | via-very important avenue ???? I meant it as a way taken [smile] |
| 15:55.21 | antgel | Vyrus001: look at dmesg, see if it's there. configure interfaces. restart networking |
| 15:55.30 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | well,via is that ???? |
| 15:55.55 | Vyrus001 | antgel: how do i restart "networking" |
| 15:55.59 | gnome2 | #debian.es |
| 15:56.01 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | like dpkg said, |
| 15:56.08 | todd | Is it possible something is wrong with a config file such as dhclient.conf or a service isn't running in the background |
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| 15:57.16 | antgel | Vyrus001: the same way you restart any debian service. /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 15:58.12 | antgel | todd: if it's asking for an address, dhclient is probably running. i assume you didn't change anything in the dhcp config? try your router settings? how many machines you have connected via dhcp? |
| 15:58.17 | XS4-6096 | i have 2 disks, bios see them, how can i add my sec hdd to debian? |
| 15:58.30 | Roxport | how can i tell if i'm running testing vs. unstable(sid)? |
| 15:58.30 | antgel | XS4-6096: to do what? |
| 15:58.36 | Roxport | when i run uname -r, i get 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 15:58.53 | antgel | Roxport: cat /etc/apt/sources.list for starters |
| 15:59.04 | Vyrus001 | antgel: wel i restarted networking and it didnt work... what am i looking for in dmsg cus i didnt see anything... also this is usb so i just pluged it in... it didnt start with it in |
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| 15:59.06 | XS4-6096 | to have extra space |
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| 15:59.20 | antgel | XS4-6096: create a filesystem and mount it |
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| 15:59.25 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | angel2, can find kernel 2.6.13 in sid???? |
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| 15:59.30 | Roxport | antgel: mostly "sarge" "stable" but also "testing" in sources |
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| 15:59.45 | antgel | Roxport: why? |
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| 16:00.11 | Roxport | just making sure. i don't want to be running sid, right? |
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| 16:00.21 | XS4-6096 | antgel i dont know how to create filesystem if i dont see this disk:( |
| 16:00.31 | antgel | Roxport: or testing as you apparently know *nothing* about debian releases |
| 16:00.33 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | i am only find 2.6.8 ,but if i find in www.kernel.org,three are a lot error when make kernel |
| 16:00.41 | Roxport | i do |
| 16:00.43 | Roxport | know about them |
| 16:00.44 | Roxport | ji |
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| 16:00.55 | Roxport | i'm just a little new at this. i'ts been a while |
| 16:01.04 | todd | antgel: nothing changed, fresh install. |
| 16:01.06 | antgel | XS4-6096: what do you mean "see the disk"? what does that have to do with computing? |
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| 16:01.14 | antgel | todd: how many clients? |
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| 16:01.45 | antgel | Roxport: then you can tell me why you are mixing releases |
| 16:01.48 | todd | antgel: machine was actually connected in the network before on different distro using dhcp so should be enough room for it in the network settings on router |
| 16:01.50 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches |
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| 16:02.13 | todd | antgel: There's only 2 clients with a range of 10 ips and a lease period of 1 week |
| 16:02.14 | Roxport | stable, testing, unstable: three diff releases, right? |
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| 16:02.26 | blondie | what determines what a user can find with "locate"? e.g. root can find things that other users cannot |
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| 16:02.31 | antgel | todd: interesting assumption. your router dhcp might be broken. what if you restart it? |
| 16:02.33 | XS4-6096 | antgel tell me please how to create filesystem ? |
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| 16:02.54 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | Xenguy, fdisk, |
| 16:02.58 | antgel | Roxport: i already told you to /msg dpkg releases |
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| 16:03.01 | Roxport | antgel: i don't want to bother you anymore...don't worry |
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| 16:03.08 | todd | antgel: I'll try that, got to run for now though. Thanks very much. I do want to get dhcp working so I'll have to research more. |
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| 16:03.32 | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz | todd, why you must uses dhcp..... |
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| 16:03.35 | antgel | XS4-6096: please learn about unix |
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| 16:03.42 | antgel | ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz: please fix your /nick |
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| 16:03.51 | thingfish | boy really |
| 16:03.55 | antgel | XS4-6096: man fsck |
| 16:03.57 | antgel | doh |
| 16:04.06 | antgel | XS4-6096: man mkfs.ext3 |
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| 16:04.18 | ZZZZzzz | well,fix nick |
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| 16:05.28 | ajkroll | i never understood those assmunches that thing disrupting irc is k00l |
| 16:05.54 | ajkroll | ofcorse, I don't understand spammer intellect either |
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| 16:06.26 | blondie | ajkroll: they have part of their brain missing I think :) |
| 16:06.50 | ajkroll | blondie: funny, coming from someone with a niq like "blondie" ;-) |
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| 16:07.15 | blondie | *slap* :P |
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| 16:07.36 | ajkroll | mmmmkay |
| 16:07.59 | blondie | are you a roll? ;P |
| 16:08.08 | ajkroll | nope.... |
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| 16:08.26 | ajkroll | but if you look in your kernel sources, you may figgure out who I am... |
| 16:08.51 | blondie | I think I'll give that a miss |
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| 16:09.07 | Edwin_Quijada | Somebody knows how can I change the lenguaje to icewm? |
| 16:09.15 | Edwin_Quijada | I want spanish? |
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| 16:10.00 | ZZZZzzz | Oppose the Broadcast Treaty today! |
| 16:10.03 | ZZZZzzz | ............................... |
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| 16:10.18 | brosioz | how can i recover data on ext3 partition ? i've deleted the file now |
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| 16:11.00 | resiak | brosioz: With a hex exidor. |
| 16:11.03 | blondie | brosioz: recover it from your backups |
| 16:11.04 | ajkroll | brosioz: if you did not write to it, mount it ro, and then poke away at it with the e2fs editor (ext3 is ext2 with a journal) |
| 16:11.05 | resiak | s/exit/edit/ |
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| 16:11.57 | brosioz | wait wait |
| 16:12.09 | brosioz | exists tools that do that ? |
| 16:12.09 | fireedo | what I have to type when I want to update and automatically install updated packges? |
| 16:12.34 | xtf | fireedo: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:12.53 | ajkroll | brosioz: yes, but your chases of success doing harddisk forensics are pretty close to no success... I've gotten lucky on rare occasions |
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| 16:13.02 | ajkroll | s/chases/chances |
| 16:13.08 | prodope | i'm getting the following error when i'm updating via apt-get: dpkg: error processing netbase (--configure): | unable to install `/etc/services.dpkg-new' as `/etc/services': Operation not permitted - anyone know possible causes? |
| 16:13.14 | fireedo | xtf:dist-upgrade? is it upgrade? or just update? |
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| 16:13.19 | quitte | und? |
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| 16:13.24 | quitte | sorry wrong chan |
| 16:13.30 | thingfish | fireedo: just like he told you. |
| 16:13.45 | thingfish | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:13.59 | fireedo | oic...sorry |
| 16:14.40 | thingfish | if you have not added testing or unstable repositories to you /etc/apt/sources.list, then it will download and install all the latest updates. |
| 16:15.00 | `4th | omg....finished backing my files...time to try and install debian.. :D |
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| 16:15.20 | `4th | bbl.... |
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| 16:16.55 | fireedo | thingfish: can I use this source http://debian.cn99.com/sources.list.sarge.cn99 ? |
| 16:17.11 | ZZZZzzz | CN99 |
| 16:17.23 | fireedo | yup |
| 16:17.36 | antgel | ZZZZzzz: wtf are you on? |
| 16:17.55 | ZZZZzzz | 2m/s with my computer |
| 16:18.00 | boycer | ZZZZzzz: urls aren't case-sensitive.... |
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| 16:18.05 | ZZZZzzz | the fast is 10m/s |
| 16:18.34 | ZZZZzzz | debian.cn99.com |
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| 16:19.30 | antgel | !tell ZZZZzzz about cn |
| 16:19.35 | ZZZZzzz | antgel, i am sorry i don't know wtf |
| 16:19.42 | antgel | indeed |
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| 16:20.32 | CosmoDad | is there any way to do an "indirect" ssh copy (scp), something like: "scp user1@foo:<standard input from scp user2@bar:myfiles .> ." ? Hope you know what I mean.. |
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| 16:21.14 | antgel | !wayttd CosmoDad |
| 16:21.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, CosmoDad? |
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| 16:22.12 | CosmoDad | hehe, ok: I have files on machine foo that I want on my machine using ssh. I cannot connect to foo directly, however, but I have intermediate access to bar |
| 16:22.47 | CosmoDad | through bar, that is |
| 16:22.51 | antgel | CosmoDad: and what, pray tell, is "intermediate access"? |
| 16:22.58 | ZZZZzzz | antgel, !tell =don't tell |
| 16:23.13 | CosmoDad | I can connect to foo from bar |
| 16:23.16 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 16:23.32 | CosmoDad | but not directly from my machine to foo |
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| 16:23.35 | valdyn_ | CosmoDad: why dont you log into the middle box and scp there? |
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| 16:23.57 | CosmoDad | valdyn_: because I'd need to copy from foo to bar and then from bar to my machine |
| 16:24.04 | CosmoDad | valdyn_: I want that in one line |
| 16:24.05 | valdyn_ | CosmoDad: how so? |
| 16:24.11 | antgel | CosmoDad: why one line? |
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| 16:24.41 | valdyn_ | CosmoDad: scp user@host:file user@host3: |
| 16:24.48 | CosmoDad | antgel: for coolness reasons :) I just wonder whether it's possible |
| 16:24.56 | valdyn_ | CosmoDad: ^^ can be done from host2 |
| 16:25.24 | CosmoDad | I wonder if I can do it from my host |
| 16:25.52 | valdyn_ | CosmoDad: thats just semantics, you can type the line to do that copy on your local box |
| 16:26.05 | ZZZZzzz | antgel, dpkg is not a person,about it is a computer |
| 16:26.16 | valdyn_ | CosmoDad: echo "some scp command" | ssh ... |
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| 16:26.28 | CosmoDad | valdyn_: ok |
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| 16:27.14 | CosmoDad | thx |
| 16:27.51 | antgel | valdyn_: that's neat |
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| 16:28.47 | ajkroll | anyone here like to goof arround with c compilers and embedded? |
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| 16:29.04 | sussudio | nein? |
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| 16:29.24 | antgel | ajkroll: seacow does, but not sure if he's reading the channel |
| 16:30.17 | ajkroll | antgel: 'k I'll keep my eyeballs peeled... looking for a few people to help write a gpl c compiler that is light weight |
| 16:30.37 | ajkroll | antgel: or anyone who wants to learn the guts of a compiler |
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| 16:31.27 | undesktop | Linux (vanilla 2.6.14.2, Debian unstable) crashed (by a tripple fault or so), and now the fonts on my desktop (xorg from Debian) look differently - any idea how to get the old fonts back or what happened at all? |
| 16:31.34 | ZZZZzzz | antgel, what are you doing? |
| 16:31.45 | ZZZZzzz | dpkg |
| 16:31.47 | ajkroll | antgel: just incase you see seacow before I do, the url is http://tuccs.dr.ea.ms/ |
| 16:31.51 | ZZZZzzz | ############################################################## |
| 16:32.01 | antgel | ajkroll: he's sitting opposite me atm :) |
| 16:32.03 | quitte | the pppoeconf documentation of sarge is weird. the README.Debian says it didnt use rp-pppoe but then it puts exactly that into the config |
| 16:32.13 | ajkroll | antgel: point him at it |
| 16:32.31 | antgel | ajkroll: he's a little tied up, but might have a look in a bit |
| 16:32.36 | ajkroll | 'k |
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| 16:33.00 | ajkroll | antgel: I also have an embedable ip stack as well... http://tcp.dr.ea.ms |
| 16:33.20 | quitte | can iptables set rules for interfaces that dont yet exist? |
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| 16:34.43 | ajkroll | quitte: it's als=most best if you have a static ip on the particular interface to use the ip |
| 16:34.44 | quitte | ajkroll: uhm a light weight c compiler already exists iirc |
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| 16:35.11 | ajkroll | quitte: not one that you can embed and run on a set of cpu's that are an embedded cluster.... |
| 16:35.11 | quitte | ajkroll: it's pppoe with static ip unfortunately. |
| 16:35.24 | moya | i'd installed libapache2-mod-auth-pam and set up following the example, but i can't get authenticated |
| 16:35.34 | moya | example in README.Debian |
| 16:35.51 | ajkroll | quitte: just set the rules with the ip |
| 16:36.10 | ajkroll | quitte: it should be pretty close to the same |
| 16:36.23 | ajkroll | (unless your forwarding, then it might not like it) |
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| 16:36.53 | ajkroll | quitte: you could always set a fake address as well, do the madness, then down it |
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| 16:37.03 | quitte | ajkroll: seen tcc? |
| 16:37.17 | ajkroll | quitte: yea, and it doesn't meet my requirements |
| 16:37.22 | quitte | ok |
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| 16:38.13 | ajkroll | quitte: the object of mine is to generate faux asm, then you would use a backend for the target cpu. |
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| 16:38.47 | ajkroll | quitte: someone is already going to place the faux cpu into an fpga for kicks |
| 16:38.55 | quitte | faux? |
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| 16:39.00 | ajkroll | fake |
| 16:39.09 | undesktop | what can I do if my fonts are rendered incorrectly (after a crash)? |
| 16:39.28 | quitte | fake pin grid array? |
| 16:39.34 | ajkroll | no, fake cpu |
| 16:39.47 | ajkroll | it doesn't exist yet |
| 16:39.59 | ajkroll | hopefully the core will be gpl as well |
| 16:40.04 | crowolo | i've more than one gcc installed, how do i switch between them? should I manually reset the symbolic link every time? |
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| 16:40.06 | ajkroll | might end up something really neat |
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| 16:42.06 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 16:42.43 | botsy | a vpn it's for isolate a network ? |
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| 16:43.25 | ajkroll | botsy: many uses, including a tunnel |
| 16:44.15 | quitte | i dont understand this. i just created new pppoe settings with pppconfig and still even after bringing up the connection manually plog doesnt show anything |
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| 16:44.27 | quitte | and no ip-up stuff is being executed |
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| 16:44.55 | Coke | For some reason I can't login via SSH anymore, all the auth.log says is "error: PAM: Authentication failure". I am using the correct username and password, it works fine from the local login, my user is a member of the group which sshd has in AllowGroups. This worked fine yesterday, but not today. Anyway I can get more info from the logs? |
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| 16:45.13 | ajkroll | quitte: see what dmesg has to say |
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| 16:45.36 | estacao | bosta |
| 16:46.06 | quitte | ajkroll: it registered the ppp protocol and thats it |
| 16:46.34 | ajkroll | quitte: check your other logs as well then |
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| 16:48.04 | log0ut | hi |
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| 16:49.05 | log0ut | who u can tell me about openssh |
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| 16:49.23 | quitte | ajkroll: what further confuses me is that the pppoe docs clearly say create the dsl-onboot file but then booting tells you that method was deprecated |
| 16:49.40 | ajkroll | that's neat |
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| 16:49.56 | log0ut | who have openssh expoilt /pls call me |
| 16:50.02 | quitte | yup. if it wasnt kind of a production server id upgrade |
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| 16:50.30 | quitte | for now ill create that stupid link and hope that it helps some |
| 16:50.39 | ajkroll | for anything mission critical, we use 2.0.36+patches on rootnfs |
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| 16:51.35 | ajkroll | 2.0.36 is known as the golden kernel for a reason ;-) |
| 16:52.11 | thingfish | good description of ubuntu, mjk64 - that's pretty much matches my experience with it. |
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| 16:52.39 | mjk64 | thingfish: Yeah ... |
| 16:52.39 | thingfish | with emphasis on the "error-prone". |
| 16:52.53 | quitte | can someone that uses sarge with pppoe please tell me if plog gives him any output? |
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| 16:53.47 | multidex | hi all! i have two harddrives installed - what program/app/gui best for viewing and working with hard drive volumes and partitions? |
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| 16:53.58 | mjk64 | thingfish: Oh yes. I mean: If not even the installation succeeds -- with no special hardware! Just a PII-350 on a BX mainboard with standard Adaptec 2940U2W and Intel NIC, then ... go to hell, Ubuntu! :-) |
| 16:54.25 | antgel | mjk64: they use the debian installer *blush* |
| 16:54.32 | kingsley_ | ping caphuso |
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| 16:54.38 | mjk64 | antgel: It's not the same, obviously. |
| 16:54.53 | antgel | multidex: fdisk, mount |
| 16:54.55 | mjk64 | antgel: The Debian installer on Debian works *perfectly* |
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| 16:55.14 | mjk64 | antgel: Okay, make that "*well*" :-) |
| 16:55.22 | bizkit | how can i handle input from file line-wise (separated by \n) in bash? e.g. for line in $(cat file_with_some_lines_and_spaces_in_them); do echo $line; done <-- this will destroy it since it also uses whitespaces as delimiter! |
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| 16:56.05 | mjk64 | Ubuntu harms Debians reputation! (okay, enough polemics for today ;-) |
| 16:56.14 | mjk64 | Bush-Linux must die! |
| 16:56.15 | mjk64 | oops |
| 16:56.17 | mjk64 | ;-=) |
| 16:56.38 | bizkit | !ubuntu |
| 16:56.38 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 16:56.40 | Buddha| | mjk64 - I just switched from Ubuntu to Debian, and I'm much happier |
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| 16:56.49 | Buddha| | (well, except for the Enlightenment menus) |
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| 16:57.14 | mjk64 | Buddha|: Good, so at least I'm not a alone in my views =) |
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| 16:57.16 | trappist | what package provides 'gem' for ruby? apt-file search comes up blank but surely there's a package for it |
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| 16:58.03 | boycer | !search gem |
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| 16:58.18 | antgel | trappist: rake? rake: usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rake/gempackagetask.rb |
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| 16:58.19 | boycer | oops... ignore me <blush> |
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| 16:58.28 | trappist | antgel: I installed rake |
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| 16:59.15 | antgel | kingsley_: bot abuse istr |
| 16:59.19 | trappist | gempackagetask.rb:6:in `require': no such file to load -- rubygems (LoadError) |
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| 16:59.48 | quest_ | can anyway tell me a good c++ ide ? |
| 16:59.49 | kingsley_ | antgel: What does "istr" mean? |
| 16:59.55 | trappist | I suspect rubygems is the package I'm looking for, but there doesn't appear to be any suck package |
| 16:59.58 | thingfish | i seem to remember |
| 17:00.00 | kingsley_ | I seem to recall? |
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| 17:00.16 | zorten | C++ IDE: Anjuta |
| 17:00.31 | boycer | what the hell is going on with these join-rename-leave wierdos? |
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| 17:00.42 | thingfish | boycer: they're bots |
| 17:00.57 | boycer | thingfish: what can they possibly be trying to do?? |
| 17:01.02 | zorten | They are searching Channels for offers. |
| 17:01.05 | kingsley_ | antgel: Do you happen to recall the nature of the bot abuse? |
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| 17:01.12 | thingfish | boycer: disrupt the normal activity of the channel. |
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| 17:01.26 | thingfish | that's my guess. |
| 17:01.44 | boycer | thingfish: selfish little buggers. I hate it when bots are inconsiderate. |
| 17:01.50 | thc | why not ask the op who banned the user? |
| 17:01.52 | thingfish | I assume it's some kind of attack. |
| 17:01.57 | quest_ | zorten, something for kde ? |
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| 17:02.39 | boycer | thingfish: pretty crap attack :) |
| 17:03.06 | crowolo | i've more than one gcc installed, how do i switch between them? should I manually reset the symbolic link every time? |
| 17:03.08 | kingsley_ | caphuso: Are you here? |
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| 17:03.44 | Gathond | crowolo: most build systems would respect/use the CC and CXX environment variables |
| 17:03.57 | quitte | crowolo: CC=gcc-3.4 make - for example |
| 17:04.02 | thingfish | boycer: yes, it is. |
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| 17:05.18 | Fox_1_ | i have php file which show picture. picture is in image directory. when i open my page it didn't show image, and in /var/log/apache/error.log it write File does not exist: /usr/share/images/logo.gif. why it want open logo.gif from /usr/share?? My DocumentRoot is /var/www. |
| 17:05.21 | crowolo | ehm, I\m taling in general, not about makefiles, stupid question I know |
| 17:05.21 | Fox_1_ | and when in php img source i write /var/www/images/logo.gif. In /var/log/apache/error.log it write File does not exist: /var/www/var/www/images/logo.gif. whats the problem? |
| 17:05.41 | boycer | Right, I make that beer'o'clock. cheerio. |
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| 17:05.42 | crowolo | i'm talking* |
| 17:05.53 | thingfish | have one for me, boycer |
| 17:06.22 | antgel | kingsley_: not really and i don't want to speak out of turn. why do you care? |
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| 17:06.42 | nvz | antgel: sounds like a jail-house lawyer to me |
| 17:06.55 | kingsley_ | antgel: I care about being fair. |
| 17:07.15 | Fox_1_ | ??? |
| 17:07.22 | antgel | kingsley_: you're kidding, right? |
| 17:07.49 | nvz | kingsley_: you should care more about things that concern you. |
| 17:08.12 | valdyn_ | !abuse dpkg |
| 17:08.14 | dpkg | dpkg: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 17:08.37 | Buddha| | !abuse dpkg |
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| 17:08.53 | mjk64 | toffee-nosed, cool! 8-) |
| 17:08.55 | antgel | dpkg: love yourself |
| 17:08.56 | zorten | It's IRC... O_o It's like conversations for ADD ridden people. If you wait your turn our heads will all go pop with anticipation. |
| 17:09.18 | nvz | ADD doesnt exist |
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| 17:09.36 | multidex | how do I even know what hard disk my home directory is on? |
| 17:09.37 | mjk64 | AD&D? |
| 17:09.37 | thingfish | right... |
| 17:09.41 | ajkroll | sorry? I wasn't paying attention... |
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| 17:09.44 | Buddha| | ADE: ADD Doesn't Exist |
| 17:09.44 | zorten | It dose but Doctors over diagnose it merly for the sale of drugs. You don't need drugs to controll it. |
| 17:09.48 | multidex | arg i hate being so damn newbie. |
| 17:10.00 | valdyn_ | multidex: 'mount' or 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 17:10.01 | mjk64 | multidex: mount or df |
| 17:10.03 | nvz | they've combinrf ADD and Hyperactivity Disorder and treat them as one ADDHD |
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| 17:10.29 | mjk64 | multidex: "df" is more concise. |
| 17:10.35 | antgel | nvz: that's the first contribution to #debian i've heard from kingsley_ |
| 17:10.40 | Buddha| | Advanced Dungeons & Dragons - a Healthy Disorder? |
| 17:10.50 | caphuso | nvz: so you still have a reason to get speed prescriptions? ;-) |
| 17:10.54 | zorten | That is one of the worst medical dessicions ever. Not all ADD cases have Hyperactivity. It depends on the imbalance in chemicals causeing the inital lack of attention. |
| 17:10.54 | nvz | antgel: its the last one I care to hear, I dont know about you |
| 17:11.02 | nvz | caphuso: heh, stfu |
| 17:11.22 | ajkroll | I'm on a perscription, but not for add |
| 17:11.25 | antgel | nvz: *nod* |
| 17:11.38 | ajkroll | I had the opposite of add |
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| 17:12.06 | antgel | ajkroll: the squits? |
| 17:12.09 | zorten | I am on one for ADD because my job never lets me sleep. O_o With out sleep you can't controll it. -_- Su><orz |
| 17:12.13 | nvz | caphuso: Its nice to see you are silently resisting troll bait |
| 17:12.30 | caphuso | well, i just came back, need to catch up |
| 17:12.34 | ajkroll | antgel: basically, hyper awareness and ptsd |
| 17:12.59 | caphuso | everyone who is _not_ trolling: hands up, i wanna count |
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| 17:13.05 | kingsley_ | caphuso: I notice that you banned the nicks "dli" and "pureone" about four hours ago. Could I persuade you to explain why? |
| 17:13.16 | antgel | ajkroll: i had racing thoughts and no sleep for a week after giving up cigarettes |
| 17:13.17 | caphuso | kingsley_: bot abuse |
| 17:13.24 | antgel | this should be good |
| 17:13.25 | ajkroll | antgel: i'm on 150mg of effexor |
| 17:13.37 | zorten | If i have no Idea how to send Telnet packets but want to run a MUD should I learn or just use a MUD codebase? |
| 17:13.45 | ajkroll | antgel: for life |
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| 17:13.50 | thingfish | effexor is good stuff. |
| 17:14.00 | antgel | ajkroll: hope it does the job |
| 17:14.27 | ajkroll | antgel: it is, the last stuff I was on was making me wanna barf, and I was on some distant planet in another galaxy |
| 17:14.36 | zorten | effexor the anti-depressant?> |
| 17:14.41 | thingfish | ajkroll: what was it? |
| 17:14.42 | nvz | zorten: wtf do you need to know about Telnet protocol to run a mud for? |
| 17:14.42 | ajkroll | zortan: yes |
| 17:15.06 | nvz | zorten: I ran aime I think it was called. one time |
| 17:15.09 | nvz | !info aime |
| 17:15.10 | ajkroll | thingfish: www.effexorxr.com |
| 17:15.16 | dpkg | aime: (Advanced Interactive Mudding Environment), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60.3-7.2 (sid), Packaged size: 601 kB, Installed size: 2368 kB |
| 17:15.22 | nvz | thats the one |
| 17:15.23 | kingsley_ | caphuso: Can you elaborate on the nature of the bot abuse? |
| 17:15.31 | thingfish | ajkroll: I know all about effexor; I was asking what you were on before it. |
| 17:15.33 | caphuso | kingsley_: what the /topic has to say |
| 17:15.33 | airox | Anybody knows how I can change my cpu frequency ? I'm having a speedstep capable processor that's running at 419MHz right now but it should run at 850MHz cause it's capable of that. |
| 17:15.45 | ajkroll | oh |
| 17:15.45 | ajkroll | heh... |
| 17:15.45 | ajkroll | uhmm |
| 17:15.45 | airox | It's a Pentium III. |
| 17:16.09 | airox | (coppermine) |
| 17:16.20 | ajkroll | lexapro |
| 17:16.26 | thingfish | heard of it. |
| 17:16.29 | zorten | I was treated for depression once and all they would do was jack me full of Zoloft. That lasted like 5 months then I changed my life... Now I am trying to pay off my debt... O_O it was cheaper with meds. |
| 17:16.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:16.48 | ajkroll | it didn't get along with the hydrocodone (codine) at all |
| 17:16.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:16.58 | zorten | !info anime |
| 17:17.02 | thingfish | codeine |
| 17:17.10 | ajkroll | that too |
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| 17:17.52 | ajkroll | I only got one side effect |
| 17:18.08 | ajkroll | I can consume 1/2lb bar of chocolate.... I crave it |
| 17:18.36 | nvz | got debian? anyone? |
| 17:18.45 | rayen | Hi, I was just wondering what the advantage of building a stock kernel is? (apt-get build-dep kernel-image-686-smp, apt-get -b source kernel-image-686-smp) |
| 17:18.48 | antgel | !tell nvz about anyone |
| 17:18.50 | antgel | ;) |
| 17:19.00 | antgel | rayen: none unless you need to |
| 17:19.20 | ajkroll | rayen: sometimes you can do more tweeks on a vanilla kernel |
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| 17:19.33 | ajkroll | rayen: especially 2.6.x |
| 17:19.38 | nvz | rayen: the advantage over using vanilla source or the advantage over using the binary packages? |
| 17:19.40 | antgel | rayen: nb that's not how you build any kernel in debian |
| 17:20.01 | thingfish | chocolate iirc has its own set of antidepressant chemicals. |
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| 17:20.09 | nvz | rayen: and yeah, thats not even close to how to build a kernel in debian |
| 17:20.17 | ajkroll | thingfish: yea, I know |
| 17:20.19 | thingfish | at least I think I remember reading something to that effect. |
| 17:20.27 | JasonF | What is the "add services to startup" command for Deb. I haven't admin'd a deb box in ages. |
| 17:20.34 | valdyn_ | rayen: if you did that you would just rebuild something that is exactly like that already in debian |
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| 17:20.53 | antgel | JasonF: when you install the package it should do the necessary |
| 17:20.53 | caphuso | JasonF: ln or update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 17:20.55 | ajkroll | thingfish: it's not just chocolate tho... any sweets... I'm starting to feel almost like I am that guy in the movie "The Fly" |
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| 17:21.02 | thingfish | ruh roh |
| 17:21.10 | airox | Anybody knows how to get this beast speedstep ? :) |
| 17:21.11 | fericitu_ | i want to instal a new them for KDE ...on debian ...and i recive this msg when i congure it (./configure) Checking for X... configure : error Can't find X includes.pls check your inst and ad corect path.. |
| 17:21.14 | JasonF | caphuso: update-rc.d! That's it! Thanks. I've been doing rhl/gentoo too long :) |
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| 17:21.19 | fericitu_ | help me pls |
| 17:21.30 | kingsley_ | caphuso: I've just read the /topic and find that I'm unsure which part of it you're referring to. |
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| 17:21.36 | rayen | ok |
| 17:21.49 | nvz | caphuso: is stfu kingsley_ in the /topic yet? |
| 17:22.05 | caphuso | kingsley_: then you're too stupid to understand anyway |
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| 17:22.17 | valdyn_ | fericitu_: its complaining about missing X headers ( apt-get install x-dev ), but since its kde stuff you could just get it all ( apt-get install kde-devel ) |
| 17:22.20 | caphuso | hell, there's exactly one snippet in the /topic that mentions "bots" |
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| 17:23.20 | wall_unit | hi, why cann't I activate "MD5 digest" in my kernel? :/ |
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| 17:23.33 | fericitu_ | i want to instal a new them for KDE ...on debian ...and i recive this msg when i congure it (./configure) Checking for X... configure : error Can't find X includes.pls check your inst and ad corect path.. |
| 17:23.34 | fericitu_ | help me pls |
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| 17:23.46 | antgel | wall_unit: for the same reason that you can't ask a clear, detailed question? |
| 17:23.47 | zorten | fericitu_: You where answered above. |
| 17:23.59 | antgel | fericitu_: is the theme not in a debian package? |
| 17:24.02 | S4nD3r | I need some help about using squid, |
| 17:24.05 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 17:24.07 | fericitu_ | thx |
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| 17:24.12 | fericitu_ | i see it |
| 17:24.16 | zorten | ^_^ |
| 17:24.22 | thingfish | "nvz: caphuso: is stfu kingsley_ in the /topic yet?" hehe good one |
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| 17:24.37 | zorten | Ops |
| 17:24.38 | S4nD3r | When I start it, ok... But When I try to reconfigure.... squid: ERROR: No running copy |
| 17:24.40 | zorten | opps* |
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| 17:24.42 | S4nD3r | How solve it ? |
| 17:24.53 | nvz | thingfish: :) |
| 17:25.00 | thingfish | nvz: ;) |
| 17:25.03 | quitte | could it be that ppp is totally fubared in sarge when it comes to if-up scripts? |
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| 17:25.37 | wall_unit | antgel: If i invoke make menuconfig in the directory /usr/src/linux and i enter the cypto-section I see "---" at MD5 digest. Waht could be the reason therefore? |
| 17:25.47 | nvz | I think I am gonna go get some alcohol and food |
| 17:25.56 | zinx | wall_unit: that means it's required by something, and isn't optional. |
| 17:25.59 | zorten | S4nD3r: it can't get a PID for squid start the squid service. |
| 17:26.02 | zinx | wall_unit: you can't _disable_ it |
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| 17:26.25 | antgel | kingsley_: what is your contribution to #debian apart from statistical analysis that appears to be disliked by all who comment on it? |
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| 17:26.53 | caphuso | quitte: "touch /var/log/ppp-ipupdown.log"; pon whatever" and look for obvious error messages |
| 17:27.04 | antgel | wall_unit: 1. don't create the linux symlink in /usr/src. 2. the reason may be that you are missing options that the MD5 option depends on |
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| 17:27.07 | wall_unit | zinx: thanks. problem solved :) |
| 17:27.16 | quitte | caphuso thanks |
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| 17:27.24 | antgel | wall_unit: meh, what zinx said :) |
| 17:27.25 | S4nD3r | I dont get to start it... |
| 17:27.32 | Tortel | yatta |
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| 17:27.35 | S4nD3r | It doesn appears in process list |
| 17:27.54 | antgel | S4nD3r: have you configured it? |
| 17:28.04 | Tortel | !yatta |
| 17:28.05 | dpkg | from memory, yatta is completely awesome, found at http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/yatta.php |
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| 17:28.19 | S4nD3r | Yes, It was working good |
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| 17:28.26 | antgel | S4nD3r: until? |
| 17:28.31 | zorten | S4nD3r: /etc/rc.d/init.d/squid start |
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| 17:28.40 | paulswm | Question on ext3: Can one share an ext3 journal amongst more than one filesystem? Googling gives me ambiguity, it looks like it may work but may be unsupported, if anyone has insight on this I'd be grateful. |
| 17:28.40 | kingsley_ | caphuso: Setting aside the question of intelligence for now, are you saying that you banned "dli" and "pureone" because they didn't their bot use wasn't kept private with /msg and the topic says "/msg bots NOT people"? |
| 17:28.48 | zorten | S4nD3r: or /etc/rc.d/init.d/squid restart |
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| 17:29.01 | caphuso | someone's using the wrong OS |
| 17:29.04 | caphuso | kingsley_: yes |
| 17:29.09 | paulswm | that would be an ext3 external journal device. of course |
| 17:29.09 | wall_unit | antgel: I'm confused. Can't i enable something wich is marked by "---" like you mentioned before or can't i disable it like zinx said? |
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| 17:29.19 | zorten | Am i? |
| 17:29.31 | thc | caphuso: in case you wanted to know, that worked |
| 17:29.33 | S4nD3r | squid: ERROR: No running copy |
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| 17:29.37 | S4nD3r | Everytime I run start squid |
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| 17:29.53 | caphuso | thc: that's weird |
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| 17:30.01 | antgel | wall_unit: well, zinx seems confident. i was saying that generally, if something is switched off in menuconfig, and other things depend on it, the other things will not be available for selection |
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| 17:30.16 | thc | apparently anything you /save in irssi won't effect a new instance until you kill the one you made the /save in |
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| 17:30.38 | S4nD3r | ready |
| 17:30.44 | S4nD3r | cache swap was not created |
| 17:30.51 | S4nD3r | squid -z |
| 17:30.52 | antgel | S4nD3r: what does the log say? |
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| 17:30.56 | paulswm | kingsley_: Your stats assumptions are flawed. For example, abrotman was the highest scorer for thanks which makes him easily one of the most vauable resources here, yet he is at the bottom of your "productivity" list, whereas you, who were thanked one, appear near the top |
| 17:31.06 | zorten | S4nD3r: My mistake. /etc/init.d/squid start and then look at your logs to see why it faild to start? Have you done this yet? |
| 17:31.18 | antgel | paulswm: you can prove anything with statistics :P |
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| 17:31.29 | paulswm | antgel: moral of the story is, listen to the people who cuss :) |
| 17:31.31 | zorten | Hmm |
| 17:31.43 | antgel | the algorithm or whatever it is is clearly a little toss |
| 17:31.50 | antgel | paulswm: thanks :) |
| 17:31.57 | S4nD3r | zorten, Its ok now |
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| 17:32.00 | antgel | oops did i say toss? |
| 17:32.03 | S4nD3r | the problem was the swap that was not created |
| 17:32.04 | kingsley_ | paulswm: Would you care to propose a better heuristic for "productivity"? |
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| 17:32.11 | caphuso | paulswm: which productivity definition is applicable? |
| 17:32.13 | paulswm | kingsley_: Yes, counts of thanks |
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| 17:32.38 | zorten | Cool. Sorry i didn't payattention to what I was saying. |
| 17:32.44 | caphuso | paulswm: i'm pretty sure that e.g. GNAA uses one completely alien to anyone sane. something similar might be the case for kingsley_ |
| 17:33.18 | valdyn_ | kingsley_: not everything can be reasonable measured by statistics |
| 17:33.26 | paulswm | caphuso: I take issue with the whole ball of wax, actually, but it is easy to see by watching here who knows what they're talking about. I personally don't care about someone's language as long as they give me helpful info :) |
| 17:33.43 | caphuso | paulswm: you're fucking right with fucking that! |
| 17:33.43 | loxley_ | what is this discussion about? about that webpage about statistics? |
| 17:33.55 | eheil | Hey guys. Just installed Debian here, coming from Fedora Core. The last time I used Debian was in the Potato days. Wow, you guys have really done an excellent job on Stable, and I'm now running Ech. |
| 17:33.55 | antgel | kingsley_: erm, you ignored my question ^^. i thought you'd vanished |
| 17:33.58 | zorten | Statistics the number one producer of "Ohhh sh* that wasn't supposed to happen."s |
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| 17:34.16 | paulswm | loxley_: I was referring to that odd web page of kingsley_'s |
| 17:34.24 | nvz | valdyn_: its all jail-house politics any way you look at it. You cant sit in jail cursing the law when you knew the law beforehand |
| 17:34.24 | kingsley_ | paulswm: I considered the same heuristic, and based it on the criteria at http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml, but I'm open to suggestion. |
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| 17:34.50 | antgel | kingsley_: i have a suggestion |
| 17:34.51 | loxley_ | paulswm: ok :) yes, i know which one :) |
| 17:35.08 | kingsley_ | antgel: I've been on #debian a long time. If you'd like, you can search the archives. |
| 17:35.32 | paulswm | kingsley_: I don't mean to attack you, but it does seem like either a flawed statistic, or a misnamed one, is all, I have been known to be bit of a pain in the ass when it comes to use of statistics :) |
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| 17:35.44 | S34 | hey |
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| 17:35.46 | antgel | kingsley_: 1. so? 2. i'd rather not. 3. if you like, you can scroll up and answer my question |
| 17:35.49 | takatumi | "statistics are like mini skirts, what they reveal is suggestive, what they conceal is vital." |
| 17:36.01 | S34 | can someone assist me configuring my X? no matter what I do I cant get it working.. |
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| 17:36.17 | antgel | according to *my* calcs, bbrazil is 60622.39 times more productive than abrotman |
| 17:36.19 | thc | S34: check your X log and give us some errors |
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| 17:36.26 | S34 | thc, k |
| 17:36.28 | paulswm | "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned lies, and Statistics" - Benjamin Disraeli, IIRC |
| 17:36.28 | antgel | that's 9 / 0.00014846 |
| 17:36.33 | mith | S34: did you fprot the tarball and check the flux capacitor? |
| 17:36.39 | abrotman | antgel: tbh .. i'm not sure how cursing detracts from productivity |
| 17:36.46 | nvz | S34: tried registering it with an employment agency? |
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| 17:36.53 | nvz | S34: it helped get me working |
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| 17:37.03 | S34 | thc, cant open /dev/input/mice |
| 17:37.10 | S34 | and ive changed it tons |
| 17:37.18 | S34 | and I downloaded the nvidia drivers as well.. |
| 17:37.19 | antgel | abrotman: don't try to justify yourself to me, bbrazil is 60622.39 times more productive than you, and that's the end of it |
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| 17:37.26 | paulswm | antgel: For example: Never try to wade across a river because it has an average depth of only 3 feet :P |
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| 17:37.35 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. yeah .. i keep forgetting i'm a lazy american :) |
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| 17:37.38 | S34 | thc, and no core devices |
| 17:37.41 | thc | S34: [1] /msg dpkg xmd5 [2] /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 17:37.44 | kombi | how do run a cron job every 10 secs? |
| 17:37.45 | kingsley_ | paulswm: I agree that it's imperfect, but I also think that perfection is an ideal, and that having something is better than nothing, and that reaching a concensus is unlikely. |
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| 17:37.53 | kombi | how to.. |
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| 17:38.15 | abrotman | and uhm .. how the hell does join/part affect my productivity? ... that's just flat out stupid |
| 17:38.20 | antgel | kingsley_: actually, your assumption that having something is better than nothing is flawed. please analyse that. |
| 17:38.23 | S34 | thc, the problem is the mouse I think |
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| 17:38.36 | kombi | to my knowledge, you cannot go under one minute with cron, can you? |
| 17:38.43 | thc | S34: do exactly what i said, to fix X and install nvidia drivers |
| 17:39.06 | thc | S34: editing XF86Config-4 is not a good idea unless you know what you are doing |
| 17:39.13 | caphuso | kombi: you can't |
| 17:39.21 | paulswm | kingsley_: Actually, I would respectfully disagree, having nothing is an improvement over such a serious flaw, IMHO. It looks more like a crusade against language rather than an attempt to determine the usefulness of #d inhabitants. |
| 17:39.24 | thc | nvz: pick me up a pack of marb. reds please thanks |
| 17:39.34 | thc | i need my morning nicotine |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | nvz: can i get some catfish ? |
| 17:39.44 | thc | mmmm catfish |
| 17:39.49 | nvz | meow |
| 17:39.57 | kombi | caphuso: hmm, there goes my nice buffer idea.. any other way of running a process or script every 20 secs? |
| 17:40.15 | caphuso | kombi: while script; do sleep 20; done |
| 17:40.15 | abrotman | kombi: while {1} sleep 20 do thing |
| 17:40.15 | S34 | thc, we have already been through all of this |
| 17:40.31 | abrotman | and caphuso even did the correct syntax |
| 17:40.40 | thc | S34: cat /dev/input/mice ; move your mouse device |
| 17:40.52 | paulswm | If I ask how to interactively partition a disk, and caphuso answers "use cfdisk, it's fucking A", then that is a productive answer |
| 17:40.56 | kombi | abrotman, caphuso: just what context? C? shell script? |
| 17:41.02 | antgel | abrotman: thats -1 productivity for you. +300 for caphuso |
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| 17:41.06 | abrotman | bash .. ask #bash for more info |
| 17:41.10 | S34 | thc, says no such device |
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| 17:41.29 | thc | S34: what kernel version, and what kind of mouse device |
| 17:41.32 | dogmeat | !dpkg sshX |
| 17:41.33 | dpkg | [sshx] Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 17:41.40 | abrotman | antgel: oh shit ... i should quit now while i'm ahead .. i'll join asg/greycat/jetscreamer/fieldy/g4lt/thomas_adam ... they weren't needed either |
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| 17:41.51 | S34 | thc, the problem is we do not knoww what mouse device... |
| 17:41.52 | kombi | abrotman: will do, thanks! |
| 17:41.52 | thc | dogmeat: you can msg the bot if you are only using it for yourself |
| 17:41.57 | abrotman | and hex/paul/sng |
| 17:42.01 | thc | S34: HEH? |
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| 17:42.19 | abrotman | antgel: aw crap .. i got thanked! |
| 17:42.20 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
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| 17:42.26 | S34 | thc, and the kernel v is 2.4.27 |
| 17:42.36 | abrotman | kingsley_: you also didn't show which words in your algo are counted as curse words .. or i missed it |
| 17:42.43 | thc | S34: how do you _not_ know your mouse device |
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| 17:42.56 | S34 | thc, well none seem to be working.. |
| 17:43.02 | abrotman | kingsley_: the words you deem curse words .. last i checked .. were pretty damn silly |
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| 17:43.17 | S34 | thc, by mouse devicxe do u mean like /dev/mouse /dev/input/mice ?? |
| 17:43.28 | abrotman | !tell S34 about u |
| 17:43.37 | thc | S34: dude, brand? input type? USB?? PS/2 ?? |
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| 17:43.52 | S34 | thc, oh lmap ps2 |
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| 17:44.03 | paulswm | See you all, I will I guess find an ext3 answer elsewhere :) |
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| 17:44.09 | S34 | thc, brand compaq |
| 17:44.10 | thc | S34: reconfigure X and try /dev/psaux |
| 17:44.12 | nvz | abrotman: is there any chance the whole party of interested lab rats could take this to #kingleys_dreamland-regime or something |
| 17:44.28 | kingsley_ | abrotman: I basically used a web page for the words. I'll see if I can dig it up. |
| 17:44.28 | abrotman | nvz: maybe he should take it to #-devel :) |
| 17:44.34 | nvz | pff, ffs |
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| 17:44.37 | antgel | abrotman: indeed. i think lesbian is one of them. that's pretty controversial |
| 17:44.38 | S34 | thc, ... I am pretty sure I tried that as well but let me see |
| 17:44.53 | abrotman | antgel: there were many silly ones |
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| 17:45.08 | abrotman | of course .. i'm sure kingsley_ got the list from the SBAOUSA |
| 17:45.16 | antgel | kingsley_: so you are counting random words from "a web page". how pioneering and scientific. |
| 17:45.17 | S34 | thc, K thanks that worked.... how did u figure it was /dev/psaux |
| 17:45.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:45.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:45.34 | dogmeat | 'ello |
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| 17:45.47 | blondie | o.o |
| 17:46.05 | thc | S34: /dev/psaux is PS/2; /dev/input/mice will pick up a PS/2 device, and you should be using that, unless it doesn't work. |
| 17:46.06 | obsvuugj | I have a problem with K3b. I want to burn an audio CD and it says "Error while decoding track" |
| 17:46.15 | obsvuugj | how can I get it work ? |
| 17:46.18 | kingsley_ | abrotman: http://www.analytictech.com/mb870/bwfldata.htm |
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| 17:46.39 | S34 | thc, K thanks man I appreciate that |
| 17:46.46 | thc | no problem |
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| 17:46.53 | abrotman | kingsley_: so .. cleaner is a curse word ? |
| 17:47.02 | abrotman | bulldager ? |
| 17:47.10 | abrotman | screw? |
| 17:47.18 | abrotman | kingsley_: that is the worst list of words i've seen |
| 17:47.22 | antgel | abrotman: you bulldager you |
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| 17:47.33 | abrotman | antgel: would you like a screw .. your nail seems broken |
| 17:47.43 | antgel | kingsley_: still waiting to hear *why* you are doing this to universal criticism and apathy |
| 17:47.59 | kingsley_ | abrotman: No, I I removed "cleaner". |
| 17:48.01 | abrotman | antgel: best troll .. evar :) |
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| 17:48.56 | pmiller9 | how can I force my ethernet cards to be assigned to the correct ethX device? Each time I boot, they swap!!! I've tried "ifrename", but it claims that eth0 "can't be mapped reliably" ... please help |
| 17:49.05 | takatumi | bum is a curse word? it's a debian package. ;-/ |
| 17:49.08 | abrotman | kingsley_: if you really want to help .. find out where the spam bots are coming from :) |
| 17:49.10 | kingsley_ | antgel: Are you wondering why I collect the statistics? |
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| 17:49.18 | antgel | abrotman: he just ignored me |
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| 17:49.27 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Are you serious? |
| 17:49.31 | abrotman | kingsley_: yes .. he wants to know why you are logging us and analyzing |
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| 17:49.35 | antgel | kingsley_: all that i'm wondering can be derived from the questions that i'm asking |
| 17:49.40 | abrotman | kingsley_: yes . i am .. i'd love the bots to go away :) |
| 17:50.22 | obsvuugj | I have a problem with K3b. I want to burn an audio CD and it says "Error while decoding track". how can I get it work ?? |
| 17:50.34 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Interesting. |
| 17:50.40 | abrotman | obsvuugj: is the track valid? .. can another burner burn it? |
| 17:50.48 | abrotman | kingsley_: but you sohuld really answer antgel .. if you don't mind .. |
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| 17:51.08 | blondie | what's all this then |
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| 17:51.17 | abrotman | it's the master step in time! |
| 17:51.30 | obsvuugj | abrotman> I don't know any others burners then k3b :S |
| 17:51.35 | S34 | thc, now is there a way to easily add remove init scripts? |
| 17:51.42 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Do you happen to have any suggestions for *how* one might find out where the spam bots are coming from? |
| 17:51.44 | abrotman | obsvuugj: arson is another for kde |
| 17:51.44 | S34 | appletalk is taking to long at boot |
| 17:52.05 | abrotman | kingsley_: not a clue .. i'm not a network forensics expert |
| 17:52.07 | thc | S34: /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d |
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| 17:52.30 | quitte | S34 it can be configured to start in the background |
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| 17:52.33 | D|G|TAL | i'm having trouble running ettercap after upgrading to libc6 |
| 17:52.36 | D|G|TAL | any ideas? |
| 17:52.37 | antgel | abrotman: brilliant :) |
| 17:52.56 | kingsley_ | abrotman: I'm wondering if banned IP addresses might be logged and sorted somehow. |
| 17:53.05 | abrotman | kingsley_: you going to answer antgel as to why you're persecuting the foul mouthed ? |
| 17:53.09 | deadline_ | http://deadcore.nerdcamp.net/~deadline/screens/apt-error.jpg what could be wrong here? any suggestion how to fix that problem? it's happening during a fresh sarge netinstall |
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| 17:53.26 | abrotman | kingsley_: no .. that's not what i mean .. those are the victims .. not the ones controlling them |
| 17:53.50 | abrotman | deadline_: try another mirror |
| 17:54.22 | deadline_ | abrotman: im having that problem with all mirrors i tried |
| 17:54.33 | antgel | abrotman: i'm going home for dinner now. i look forward to examining my scroll buffer later :) |
| 17:54.49 | abrotman | deadline_: the HDD is ok ? |
| 17:54.56 | deadline_ | abrotman: yes |
| 17:55.06 | kingsley_ | abrotman and antgel: I'm excited about how helpful #debian can be. It provides answers to hard, hard technical questions every day. But irc is plagued by spam, emotive language, shouting and questionable bans. I'd like to think that *measuring* how well a channel is running would eventually lead to it running better and helping more people. |
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| 17:55.40 | abrotman | kingsley_: questionable bans are a very subjective thing .. there's no way you can figure that into your equation |
| 17:55.44 | quitte | caphuso: after removing everything that causes an error it still doesnt work.(ip-up problem) |
| 17:55.51 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Ah, I see the problem with finding the origin of spam bots. |
| 17:56.20 | abrotman | deadline_: it's only off by one byte! |
| 17:56.28 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Yes, at the moment, I agree. However, I'd like to suggest that if, sometime in the future, someone else happens to neglect to keep bot use private with /msg, that they might first be given a warning. |
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| 17:56.38 | mmmax | where are the potato rescue disks ? |
| 17:56.47 | deadline_ | abrotman: oh. how could that be caused? |
| 17:56.49 | abrotman | kingsley_: some are .. some aren't |
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| 17:56.57 | krenin | hello... |
| 17:57.02 | abrotman | deadline_: i'm not sure .. but it's happening repeatedly ? |
| 17:57.03 | seto_ | hi all |
| 17:57.11 | Buddha| | mmmax - they've been turned into french fries |
| 17:57.25 | abrotman | kingsley_: but they ops are supposed to be fair and just .. some people abuse the bots for days before being banned |
| 17:57.27 | pmiller9 | how can I force my ethernet cards to be assigned to the correct ethX device? Each time I boot, they swap!!! I've tried "ifrename", but it claims that eth0 "can't be mapped reliably" ... please help |
| 17:57.33 | EdLin | mmmax: the rescue disks for potato are sarge disks. |
| 17:57.34 | mmmax | :) anyone still have them on some ftp |
| 17:57.42 | mmmax | ok |
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| 17:57.58 | abrotman | pmiller9: you can try some stuff with the modules options stuffs |
| 17:58.00 | kingsley_ | abrotman: I like fairness and justice. |
| 17:58.17 | S4nD3r | In KDE I used kate, what to use in Gnome ? |
| 17:58.30 | usn | good evening |
| 17:58.30 | abrotman | pmiller9: /etc/modutils/options .. it might work for you |
| 17:58.43 | deadline_ | abrotman: its happening all the time and avoids me finishing my installation |
| 17:58.44 | EdLin | S4nD3r: gedit, while holding your nose. |
| 17:58.56 | abrotman | deadcat: you've tried more than one install ? |
| 17:58.59 | S4nD3r | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:59.00 | pmiller9 | abrotman: modinfo doesn't report any useful options |
| 17:59.00 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.02 | S4nD3r | I have this problem |
| 17:59.27 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: There are many editors. One of my favorites, which I seem to recall is in gnome, is abiword. It can import MS word and WordPerfect documents. |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | pmiller9: /etc/modutils/actions |
| 17:59.43 | blondie | kingsley_: abiword is not a text editor |
| 17:59.46 | S4nD3r | Im just want a simple editor |
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| 17:59.50 | kingsley_ | scarynetworkguy: It would count twice. |
| 17:59.53 | S4nD3r | like notepad in windows |
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| 17:59.55 | abrotman | kingsley_: that's not a small editor |
| 17:59.56 | deadline_ | S4nD3r: nano |
| 18:00.00 | D|G|TAL | getifaddrs: Connection refused ... any ideas how to circumvent this error guys? |
| 18:00.01 | abrotman | S4nD3r: gedit |
| 18:00.02 | seto_ | I want to install a server : for proxy ( squid+dante) and ftp , I have allready the system on a little harddisk (all the / in one partition) , and I have buy another disk , I don't know the good way , I think it's a good idea to make a big /var with the new disk for the ftp and the squid cache and and log . my first question is : is'it a good idea ? |
| 18:00.02 | blondie | S4nD3r: gedit, or vim ;) |
| 18:00.02 | S4nD3r | visual |
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| 18:00.12 | S4nD3r | I use very much in terminal, mcedit |
| 18:00.12 | deadline_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:00.27 | abrotman | deadline_: on the same machine i mean |
| 18:00.40 | abrotman | S4nD3r: gedit |
| 18:00.48 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: If you're looking for a good text editor, it's hard to beat vim. |
| 18:00.50 | abrotman | S4nD3r: or is it for coding ? |
| 18:00.50 | reco | hi there, i am new to debian, so i have a apt-get question. is it possible to have the whole box on stable but just get 2 apps from unstable tree? |
| 18:00.54 | sussudio | badgerrrrrrr |
| 18:01.01 | sussudio | http://badgercam.webhop.org/ |
| 18:01.03 | abrotman | !tell reco about backport |
| 18:01.05 | S4nD3r | Just to open some .conf files |
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| 18:01.09 | S4nD3r | .txt files |
| 18:01.16 | deadline_ | abrotman: yes, same problem all the time |
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| 18:01.21 | S4nD3r | Im not programming in linux yet |
| 18:01.24 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: But vim isn't simple. |
| 18:01.26 | blondie | S4nD3r: how many times do you want us to say "gedit"? |
| 18:01.33 | reco | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 18:01.33 | blondie | pico |
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| 18:01.39 | seto_ | My second question : is it a way to have something rebooting easy (without disk error) after a hard stop ( like stop the alim) ... (sorry for my bad english) |
| 18:01.39 | S4nD3r | None blondie |
| 18:01.41 | pmiller9 | abrotman: I'm not sure what to do w/ that file |
| 18:01.43 | S4nD3r | Im installing |
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| 18:01.58 | abrotman | pmiller9: you can tel the system to do X before Y regarding modules |
| 18:02.08 | S4nD3r | What about this problem ??? Errors were encountered while processing: openofficeorg-core04u |
| 18:02.12 | obsvuugj | in K3b, what is the "On the fly" ? |
| 18:02.23 | abrotman | obsvuugj: same thing as in Nero |
| 18:02.38 | thc | obsvuugj: writes as it reads, simultaneously |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | deadline_: you're tried multiple mirrors ? |
| 18:02.38 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: gedit is evidently a light-weight text editor. |
| 18:02.46 | obsvuugj | abrotman> what is it in Nero? what will happen if I put it off ? |
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| 18:02.48 | S4nD3r | kingsley_, sure !! |
| 18:02.51 | pmiller9 | abrotman: is there a man page? |
| 18:02.51 | abrotman | deadline_: i'd try #debian-boot .. see if they have a great idea |
| 18:02.56 | abrotman | obsvuugj: oh .. most people know what nero is .. |
| 18:03.06 | abrotman | obsvuugj: on the fly means that it just burns instead of creating a tmp image first |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | pmiller9: i can't seem to find one |
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| 18:03.21 | obsvuugj | abrotman> ok |
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| 18:03.34 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: Have you tried googling for the error message? |
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| 18:03.50 | abrotman | pmiller9: it's supposed to be things like "pre-install <x> modprobe <y>" |
| 18:03.57 | S4nD3r | Yes |
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| 18:04.03 | S4nD3r | But I found nothing |
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| 18:04.18 | abrotman | pmiller9: at least . i think that file is still used |
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| 18:04.31 | pmiller9 | abrotman: hmm.... |
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| 18:04.49 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: Which command emitted the error message? |
| 18:05.05 | abrotman | kingsley_: also .. in your stats . the COMPLETE lack of total lines spoken .. realyl screws up the numbers |
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| 18:05.56 | kingsley_ | abrotman: How would you suggest that the heuristic be changed to consider the total number of lines spoken? |
| 18:06.08 | abrotman | kingsley_: if i curse 100 times in 10000 lines .. and get 100 thanks .. shouldn't i have a higher productivity than someine who spoke 2000lines swore 50 times and thanked 20 times |
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| 18:06.22 | abrotman | kingsley_: nfc .. i didn't come up with the wacky formula :) |
| 18:06.45 | S4nD3r | dpkg -i *.deb kingsley_ |
| 18:06.47 | abrotman | kingsley_: total lines/lines with curse words ? |
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| 18:07.14 | kingsley_ | Heh |
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| 18:07.24 | kingsley_ | s/Heh/LOL/ |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | oh crap .. dpkg said screw! |
| 18:07.28 | S4nD3r | You are so funny |
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| 18:07.32 | loxley_ | kingsley_: what do you plan to achieve by logging? |
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| 18:07.47 | Buddha| | dpkg -i *.deb Buddha| |
| 18:07.47 | abrotman | big piles of poo! |
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| 18:07.52 | abrotman | !tell cleaton about root |
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| 18:08.16 | thc | s/poo/shit/g |
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| 18:08.26 | Ronin | t - 3 hours till beer o'clock |
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| 18:08.38 | EdLin | thc: there goes your score, you're now minus 100 thank-yous. |
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| 18:08.59 | thc | awww, thank fuck! |
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| 18:09.08 | abrotman | kingsley_: let me show you exactly how flawed your numbers are .. "Abaddon666" joined the channel .. started trolling .. and was banned .. yet .. he has higher productivity than me |
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| 18:09.33 | Buddha| | dpkg -i evil.deb thc |
| 18:09.37 | loxley_ | that Abaddon666 shouldnt even be in the stats since he was trolling |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | kingsley_: see what i mean ? |
| 18:09.42 | kingsley_ | S4nD3r: I don't know what caused the error, but I suspect that dpkg didn't install packages that something in *.deb depends on. I suggest installing packages with "apt-get install <package-name>". It will automatically download and install what you ask for, and the packages they depend upon. |
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| 18:09.46 | thc | !kingsleysmite Buddha| |
| 18:09.47 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Buddha |
| 18:09.47 | abrotman | loxley_: but he is .. and is more productive than me :) |
| 18:10.02 | loxley_ | abrotman: thats sick, that was a couple of days ago |
| 18:10.05 | yann_ | hi |
| 18:10.08 | thc | weird, why didn't dpkg see that pipe symbol? |
| 18:10.19 | thc | !cheesesteak Buddha| |
| 18:10.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Everybody is more productive than you. :) |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | loxley_: it was yesterday |
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| 18:10.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: except .. wang and dpkg :) |
| 18:10.35 | loxley_ | abrotman: yep |
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| 18:10.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Has to do with you being a useless bitch. |
| 18:10.43 | yann_ | i am trying to use an exabyte vxa-2 backup system |
| 18:10.44 | scarynetworkguy | Hehe. |
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| 18:11.21 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: just because i'm american! |
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| 18:11.24 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Oh and I'm going to need you to come in on Saturday, mmmk? |
| 18:11.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: TP reports? |
| 18:11.37 | abrotman | mm Toilet Paper |
| 18:11.44 | thc | haha |
| 18:11.45 | yann_ | i have aic7xxx and st modules loaded, but i can't see the tape drive |
| 18:11.46 | thc | jackass |
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| 18:11.53 | yann_ | what's wrong? |
| 18:11.58 | abrotman | yann_: dmesg .. say anything ? |
| 18:12.09 | blondie | yann_: lots of things |
| 18:12.13 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I heard you were having problems with your TP reports. I'm going to need you to fix that, OK? |
| 18:12.14 | abrotman | yann_: lspci .. is the correct driver loaded ? |
| 18:12.22 | yann_ | abrotman, no, dmesg |grep st0 gives nothing |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: no! |
| 18:12.33 | abrotman | yann_: dmesg | grep -i scsi |
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| 18:13.02 | yann_ | scsi1 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 7.0 |
| 18:13.21 | yann_ | aic7892: Ultra160 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 SCBs |
| 18:13.28 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I could burn the building down. |
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| 18:14.14 | S4nD3r | O |
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| 18:14.28 | PupenoL- | Isn't there a package providing /etc/init.d/iptables to do save and restore (yes, I know it is easy to write by hand, but if it is packaged, or a similar solution is packaged, I want it) ? |
| 18:14.33 | S4nD3r | Im downloading 2.0 version of OpenOffice.... I guess that problem will be solved |
| 18:14.37 | S4nD3r | I have another one. |
| 18:15.05 | S4nD3r | Im using squid, I put there to deny MSN access |
| 18:15.10 | S4nD3r | But, its not working |
| 18:15.17 | yann_ | abrotman, do i need other modules besides aic7xxx and st? |
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| 18:15.57 | KerPlunk | Can someone explain to me the difference between Ubuntu and Debian...how are they different in a nutshell? |
| 18:16.17 | kingsley_ | PupenoL-: Have you searched the package reposity for packages containing /etc/init.d/iptables? |
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| 18:16.44 | kingsley_ | PupenoL-: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:16.52 | abrotman | yann_: you sure it's actually hooked up ? |
| 18:17.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: my office .. could you please? :) |
| 18:17.07 | yann_ | abrotman, sure, it is |
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| 18:17.22 | abrotman | KerPlunk: Ubuntu is not debian :) |
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| 18:17.34 | KerPlunk | abrotman: I know...but what is different? |
| 18:17.34 | Eno_ | KerPlunk: ubuntu releases stable releases every 6 months, so it usually contains newer packages. debian releases stable every couple years. ubuntu is supposed to be more newbie-friendly. ubuntu only 'officially' supports a small subset of debian packages. |
| 18:17.37 | KerPlunk | And why are people using it? |
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| 18:17.43 | Eno_ | in a nutshell |
| 18:17.43 | kingsley_ | KerPlunk: It seems to me that Ubuntu is an attempt to tame debian with regular releases and user friendly installs. |
| 18:17.44 | KerPlunk | ahh |
| 18:17.45 | yann_ | KerPlunk, to be brief, ubuntu is ready out of the box, for debian you have to configure many things yourself |
| 18:17.45 | KerPlunk | I see. |
| 18:17.50 | abrotman | KerPlunk: ubuntu uses Debian as a base .. but changes it sufficiently to be its own distro with its own support channel #ubuntu |
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| 18:18.49 | Eno_ | ubuntu and debian are also similar in many ways... |
| 18:18.58 | abrotman | yann_: so st is loaded .. but no tape devices ? |
| 18:18.58 | PupenoL- | kingsley_: I have, I couldn't find anything. |
| 18:19.13 | abrotman | yann_: did you load the regular tape ? |
| 18:19.14 | valdyn_ | !find etc/init.d/iptables |
| 18:19.16 | yann_ | abrotman, yes |
| 18:19.18 | KerPlunk | Do the debian developers hate Ubuntu? |
| 18:19.20 | valdyn_ | !find etc/init.d/iptables sarge |
| 18:19.24 | Bac0n | is there someone that can recommend backup software for debian .... |
| 18:19.27 | KerPlunk | Do the Ubuntu/Debian developers work together? |
| 18:19.31 | Eno_ | KerPlunk: many debian developers /are/ uuntu developers |
| 18:19.32 | yann_ | abrotman, regular tape ? |
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| 18:19.34 | Eno_ | ubuntu * |
| 18:19.35 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: theres more than 1500 DD |
| 18:19.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
| 18:19.37 | kingsley_ | PupenoL-: Which distribution are you interested in? Stable? Testing? Unstable? |
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| 18:19.46 | abrotman | yann_: i think there's a module just called 'tape |
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| 18:19.52 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: you can be sure there's every possible opinion among those people ) |
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| 18:19.53 | Bac0n | to image |
| 18:19.54 | PupenoL- | kingsley_: start. |
| 18:19.55 | KerPlunk | valdyn_: And how many Ubuntu developers? |
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| 18:20.00 | EdLin | KerPlunk: they are two seperate projects though. /topic |
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| 18:20.13 | KerPlunk | I use debian sid btw...I'm not going to use Ubuntu...I was just curious why so many people use it...seems like the same exact shit as debian |
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| 18:20.18 | Bac0n | or hdd |
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| 18:20.20 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: i dont now, but at least an order of magnitude less |
| 18:20.30 | abrotman | yann_: ignore me .. i was wrong |
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| 18:20.50 | resiak | valdyn_: Active devs? I doubt that strongly. Any old mongrel can be a MOTU in Ubuntu, so I'd suspect that the number of _active_ developers is similar. |
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| 18:21.12 | kingsley_ | KerPlunk: Have you considered joining #ubuntu? It seems to me that they may be better able to answer some of your questions |
| 18:21.20 | KerPlunk | nah, I do'nt want their opinions |
| 18:21.21 | PupenoL- | kingsley_: sorry, stable. |
| 18:21.22 | dabreegster | Hey. I recall seeing a program on happypenguin.org or somewhere a while back that allowed multiple people to play Quake on the same PC at the same time, one using a keyboard and the other a joystick. I can't seem to find it. Anybody recall what it is? |
| 18:21.23 | Lew | Hi, @ all |
| 18:21.25 | KerPlunk | I'd rather see what people in here say. |
| 18:21.30 | valdyn_ | resiak: you think ubuntu has 1500 devs? |
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| 18:21.42 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
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| 18:21.48 | valdyn_ | resiak: there must be some misunderstanding ) |
| 18:21.53 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 18:21.58 | dabreegster | I know about gl passthru, but I think it was something else. |
| 18:22.11 | juice` | is there any tool/system configuration option, that can block process size? for example if i dont want to have a process named apache2 to have more memory than 100 000. (impossible to do it with limits.conf i suppose, as apache is not using PAM) |
| 18:22.12 | KerPlunk | maintainers aren't developers though...maintainers just package something. |
| 18:22.14 | KerPlunk | so simple |
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| 18:22.35 | resiak | valdyn_: _active_ devs |
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| 18:22.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
| 18:22.48 | KerPlunk | yea, and 90% of those maintainers don't do shit |
| 18:22.48 | valdyn_ | resiak: 1500? no way |
| 18:22.58 | bassMonkey | One of my friends is trying to get his Soundblaster Audigy working, does he need to do anything else than: "apt-get install alsa" and "modprobe emu10k1" and then check with alsamixer that it's not muted? I'm trying to help him over the phone... |
| 18:23.02 | resiak | valdyn_: Humm, maybe. |
| 18:23.03 | KerPlunk | They maintained a package _at one point) |
| 18:23.11 | resiak | valdyn_: You win :) |
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| 18:24.23 | kingsley_ | PupenoL-: It may not exist. The closest I found at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages was a package named "ferm". (I searched for iptables.) |
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| 18:25.00 | abrotman | bassMonkey: ask #alsa perhaps ? |
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| 18:25.03 | kingsley_ | caphuso: I'd like to suggest that if, sometime in the future, someone else happens to neglect to keep bot use private with /msg, that they might first be given a warning. |
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| 18:25.23 | abrotman | kingsley_: i already told you .. many are given warnings |
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| 18:25.28 | valdyn_ | why do we have this powerstruggle thing here |
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| 18:25.51 | abrotman | valdyn_: because kingsley_ hasn't been banned yet? :) |
| 18:26.07 | valdyn_ | !abrotman++ |
| 18:26.26 | paroneayea | Ever since I installed gnome, I've found that a lot of my configuration has been screwed up. My sound card does not load up at boot, nor does my wireless card, and most confusing of all, any usb devices I plug in don't seem to be getting power. |
| 18:26.29 | abrotman | oh .. that could be another thing for kingsley_ to count .. karma! |
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| 18:26.40 | paroneayea | I'd like to see what configuration files might have been overwritten when I instaled gnome |
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| 18:26.42 | KerPlunk | paroneayea: #gnome ? |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | paroneayea: you can thank udev for that |
| 18:26.44 | paroneayea | where can I find that out? |
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| 18:27.06 | paroneayea | abrotman: ah, so... do I need to reinstall udev? |
| 18:27.12 | KerPlunk | paroneayea: Always backup your ~/.??* files? |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | paroneayea: use modconf .. make double sure the modules are loaded that you need |
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| 18:27.34 | valdyn_ | paroneayea: your issues arent directly caused by gnome for sure, but gnome pulls udev / hotlpug, which could be responsible |
| 18:27.37 | repp_ | I just upgraded to dovecot 1.0-alpha4, and it stopped working: Nov 25 10:26:02 heap dovecot: auth(default): Unknown userdb driver 'passdb' |
| 18:28.10 | repp_ | Now dovecot issues this to the syslog and refuses to start. |
| 18:28.14 | paroneayea | valdyn_: ahhhhhh.. thanks :) |
| 18:28.20 | resiak | valdyn_: More to the point, gnome pulls udev which these days conflicts with hotplug ;|) |
| 18:28.29 | valdyn_ | repp_: the syntax for /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf changed, fix yours, or use the new one, found there as dovecot.conf.dpkg-dist |
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| 18:28.43 | repp_ | valdyn_: AGAIN?? A!#$!$ |
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| 18:28.59 | paroneayea | so how to get udev back to the way it once was? |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | that looks like a curse word to me :) |
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| 18:29.18 | abrotman | paroneayea: use modconf .. load the drivers .. they probably aren't being automagically loaded anymore |
| 18:29.32 | paroneayea | okay |
| 18:29.32 | soymilk | is there anything like devlabel available for debian? |
| 18:29.46 | repp_ | valdyn_: thanks |
| 18:30.17 | abrotman | soymilk: what is devlabel ? |
| 18:30.30 | valdyn_ | paroneayea: you have multiple nics? |
| 18:30.43 | XTF | Hi. Is there a way to use su - with 'zero-knowledge' authentication? |
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| 18:30.57 | abrotman | with what ? |
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| 18:31.27 | soymilk | abrotman: its in redhat. it keeps device labels consistent even when some may change - for example if you have hda hdb hdc and you remove hdc it won't throw all the labels off |
| 18:31.34 | XTF | abrotman: Authentication where the server is not able to 'replay' the authentication. |
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| 18:31.48 | soymilk | abrotman: if you remove hda that is... |
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| 18:32.09 | repp_ | XTF: You always have to trust the server ..... |
| 18:32.14 | soymilk | abrotman: all the entries in fstab get replaced with devlabel names |
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| 18:32.25 | abrotman | soymilk: apt-cache search dev label ? ... maaybe something useful ? |
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| 18:32.38 | abrotman | soymilk: i've never seen it in debian |
| 18:32.53 | abrotman | you know .. with all the kids off school today . it's fairly quiet |
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| 18:33.26 | soymilk | abrotman: it would be a nice addition, since its a good "enterprise" feature, intended for when you have a lot of arrays and in case disks fail, etc. |
| 18:33.29 | paroneayea | valdyn_: yeah, one standard ethernet nic, then a wireless card |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | soymilk: is the package name in RH devlabel ? |
| 18:33.59 | reco | what is the best way to get webmin on a stable debian to the most recent version? |
| 18:34.02 | reco | apt-get install webmin - followed by a webmin update or |
| 18:34.04 | reco | apt-get remove webmin - with a clean install? thanx |
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| 18:34.34 | mjk64 | soymilk: Maybe you could use devfs naming, which is absolute, not relative: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target9/lun0/part12 - will always stay the same when removing other drives from the bus. |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | soymilk: all i can suggest is to file a bug for a RFP |
| 18:34.41 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 18:34.41 | dpkg | somebody said wnpp was Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 18:34.55 | soymilk | abrotman: i know its called that, but can't remember the package name exactly |
| 18:35.08 | abrotman | reco: sure .. that will get you the most recent version IN debian/stable |
| 18:35.13 | abrotman | soymilk: hrm |
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| 18:35.22 | soymilk | mjk64: isn't devfs being deprecated though? |
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| 18:35.26 | abrotman | soymilk: you're saying the command is 'devlabel' ? |
| 18:35.31 | Daveman | sup abrotman? |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:35.40 | soymilk | abrotman: no, the name of the thing |
| 18:35.46 | abrotman | soymilk: i can't find any mention of it ... |
| 18:35.53 | mjk64 | soymilk: Yes, 2.6 uses udev, but you can tell the system to create devfs compatible links. |
| 18:35.58 | soymilk | http://linux.dell.com/devlabel/devlabel.html |
| 18:37.21 | abrotman | soymilk: yeah .. all i can say is to file an RFP bug .. there must be another way in debian to do it .. but i don't know it |
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| 18:38.09 | abrotman | soymilk: try sending a message to debian-user@lists.debian.org .. see if someone knows an alternative |
| 18:38.18 | mjk64 | soymilk: Of course, devlabel seems to be more flexible, but if you just plan to remove an HD so that other device names stay the same, the devfs naming scheme will do. |
| 18:38.20 | abrotman | soymilk: and also include the URL you just gave me |
| 18:38.30 | abrotman | mjk64: but devfs is going away |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | mjk64: and the gnome metapackage in debian requires udev |
| 18:38.40 | mjk64 | abrotman: But not the naming, or? |
| 18:38.48 | XTF | repp_: Why do I have to trust the server? |
| 18:38.48 | crowolo | some package (eg cdrecord) fails to create devices when installed because I've devfs, what can I do? |
| 18:38.51 | abrotman | mjk64: not sure |
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| 18:38.55 | crowolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.55 | crowolo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.09 | crowolo | uhm, excuse me |
| 18:39.09 | nvz | well I talked to that woman who's pc I put debian on... she said her daughter loves the games.. they havent connected it to their router yet.. all they have is the KDE and GNOME games that were pulled in by "Desktop System" in tasksel. heh |
| 18:39.10 | abrotman | !flood |
| 18:39.10 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 18:39.16 | nvz | its not like those games are that cool |
| 18:39.17 | mjk64 | abrotman: I use udev, and there is a script like devfs.sh or whatever in /etc/udev. I put an appropriate link to it in /etc/udev/scripts or so, and everything works fine. |
| 18:39.18 | soymilk | its good to know about if you ever end up having to administer a redhat box otherwise you'll see the fstab and go "whoa! what's this?" |
| 18:39.37 | abrotman | mjk64: ah .. maybe tell soymilk more about it then |
| 18:39.43 | crowolo | the postinst script pass this test and believe that i'm not using devfs: if [ ! -c /dev/.devfsd ] |
| 18:39.44 | Roey | !calc 1+1 |
| 18:39.45 | mjk64 | abrotman: I'll never go back to /dev/sd{a,b,c,...} etc. |
| 18:39.49 | Roey | hmm. |
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| 18:39.55 | Roey | soymilk: awesome choice |
| 18:40.08 | suppaman | how can I mark a pkg I see as desired ( 'i' field while making dpkg -l ) but not installed as undesired ? |
| 18:40.15 | nvz | soymilk: they dont use a standard fstab? |
| 18:40.15 | abrotman | Roey: |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | !1+1 |
| 18:40.17 | dpkg | i heard 1+1 is really mostly pink |
| 18:40.21 | abrotman | damn bot |
| 18:40.25 | abrotman | !2*4 |
| 18:40.25 | dpkg | 8 |
| 18:40.28 | repp_ | valdyn_: I've determined that my problem with dovecot is not syntax. |
| 18:40.35 | nvz | dpkg, forget 1+1 |
| 18:40.35 | dpkg | nvz: i forgot 1+1 |
| 18:40.40 | soymilk | nvz: its been a while since i had to administer one but yes i remember the fstab was non-standard |
| 18:41.02 | nvz | soymilk: did they at least write their own manpage for fstab? |
| 18:41.15 | mjk64 | suppaman: aptitude -markauto / -unmarkauto, IIRC. Or directly using the curses interface (see the menu (F10)) |
| 18:41.31 | crowolo | some package (eg cdrecord) fails to create devices when installed because I've devfs, what can I do? the postinst script pass this test and believe that i'm not using devfs: if [ ! -c /dev/.devfsd ] |
| 18:41.40 | soymilk | nvz: i don't remember. |
| 18:41.43 | suppaman | mjk64: thanks, I think I've messed up something doing a dpkg -i |
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| 18:42.19 | crowolo | but I get this error from MAKEDEV ".devfsd presence implies active DevFS. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation." |
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| 18:42.20 | nvz | suppaman: installing 3rd party packages manually? |
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| 18:43.01 | suppaman | nvz: not sure, I tried with an amule patched but this is libwxgtk-2.5 that is marked as rc, i.e to remove but with config file |
| 18:43.28 | suppaman | nvz: I mean I tried with a patched amule (with no success) and now I'm having this strange behave |
| 18:43.44 | suppaman | I can't remove the two package by apt-get remove libwxgtk-2.5 |
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| 18:44.41 | Roey | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 18:44.44 | dob1 | hi |
| 18:44.46 | Roey | !weather 20878 |
| 18:44.48 | dpkg | I can't find station code "20878" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 18:45.04 | Roey | !weather DCA |
| 18:45.06 | dpkg | I can't find station code "DCA" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 18:45.12 | phyberoptix | !weather ILM |
| 18:45.14 | dpkg | I can't find station code "ILM" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 18:45.27 | phyberoptix | this weather sucks |
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| 18:45.56 | Roey | yeah. |
| 18:46.13 | pngwn | how about you /msg the bot |
| 18:46.18 | Roey | there are other bots that take city names and (for those in the United States) zipcodes. |
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| 18:46.29 | Roey | !24 * 9.0/5 + 32 |
| 18:46.29 | dpkg | 75.2 |
| 18:46.32 | Roey | awesome. |
| 18:46.39 | Roey | that's a nice weather, see. |
| 18:46.43 | yann_ | abrotman, do i need CONFIG_AIC79XX_BUILD_FIRMWARE=y ? |
| 18:46.45 | Roey | !27 * 9.0/5 + 32 |
| 18:46.45 | dpkg | 80.6 |
| 18:46.57 | Roey | and that htere is fine as long as it's not humid |
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| 18:47.05 | suppaman | CtoF ? |
| 18:47.08 | Roey | yeah |
| 18:47.24 | yann_ | and CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS=m ? |
| 18:47.29 | Roey | !(77-32)*5.0/9 |
| 18:47.29 | dpkg | 25 |
| 18:47.32 | Roey | ah. |
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| 18:47.47 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am not sure I can change that, but the link in the weather factoid would probably more appropriately be http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml |
| 18:47.51 | nvz | !weather kpit |
| 18:47.53 | dpkg | Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh International Airport, PA, United States; (KPIT) 40-30-14N 080-15-59W 357M; last updated: 2005.11.25 1751 UTC; Dew Point: 8.1 F (-13.3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.2 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.3 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 52%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Temperature: 23.0 F (-5.0 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the SW (220 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) gusting ... |
| 18:47.59 | abrotman | yann_: there's not a single thing in your dmesg about the tape drive? |
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| 18:48.06 | Roey | nvz: I tried to look some things up in that link but I got errors. |
| 18:48.08 | suppaman | do you guys use Fahrenheit ? |
| 18:48.10 | yann_ | abrotman, no |
| 18:48.10 | abrotman | yann_: every machine i've used with it .. it's just been there |
| 18:48.15 | Roey | nvz: on their end. |
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| 18:48.23 | nvz | Roey: the link I gave works |
| 18:48.23 | abrotman | yann_: maybe you have to put a tape in ? |
| 18:48.31 | jsz | hey how can I make pon dial my connection when my system boots up? |
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| 18:48.41 | pngwn | suppaman, I use debian |
| 18:48.48 | jsz | as a process or what ever it is, like how it starts sshd ect |
| 18:48.50 | Roey | nvz: sure sure but the links it contains don't... at least not for me... I click on the link to the ascii-text list and I get a 'file not found' |
| 18:48.56 | yann_ | abrotman, i put all 10 tapes in |
| 18:49.00 | abrotman | jsz: /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:49.03 | suppaman | pngwn: funny, how many debian degrees ? |
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| 18:49.12 | sep | jsz, ppp's config file have options for autodial etc etc |
| 18:49.16 | pngwn | 666 |
| 18:49.19 | abrotman | yann_: dmesg shows the controller .. but not the device ? |
| 18:49.21 | nvz | Roey: thats not the link I gave, thats the link in the weather factoid which is pointing to the wrong location |
| 18:49.27 | yann_ | abrotman, yes |
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| 18:49.32 | prozureus | apt-zero instead of absolute zero. |
| 18:49.40 | Roey | nvz: yes that's what I meant. |
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| 18:50.03 | nvz | Roey: if you want to lookup your station code, you use the URL I provided http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml |
| 18:50.07 | suppaman | aptsolute zero |
| 18:50.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:50.22 | nvz | aptsolute vodka |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | yann_: do you have possibly have two controllers in the machine ? |
| 18:52.02 | nvz | bound to be crumbs on the floor with the crackers I am throwing |
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| 18:52.21 | yann_ | abrotman, no, i have only one adaptec scsi |
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| 18:52.28 | nvz | since dpkg doesnt respond to botsnack anymore I just throw crackers |
| 18:52.39 | abrotman | yann_: can you paste your dmesg somewhere ? |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:52.42 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:52.45 | suppaman | bye |
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| 18:53.05 | rootz | hi |
| 18:53.15 | rootz | how can i specify a proxy auth to apt? |
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| 18:53.27 | rootz | i was trying using http::proxy but don't have success |
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| 18:53.39 | abrotman | nvz: email?!?!! |
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| 18:53.55 | nvz | abrotman: yeah |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | nvz: that's funny .. now you have email .. you can file bugs :) |
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| 18:54.11 | rootz | nobody uses proxy auth with apt that can help me? |
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| 18:54.24 | quitte | oh yes. i so much want to surf with high spped in the dsl-net |
| 18:54.30 | abrotman | rootz: iirc . that stuff is in the man page |
| 18:54.44 | simon_ | hi all |
| 18:54.56 | nvz | abrotman: yeah or bitch at the maintainer for saying the bugs that are already filed are not real |
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| 18:55.07 | blondie | 802.11g/b is Teh Sex. |
| 18:55.09 | yann_ | abrotman, #flood |
| 18:55.14 | nvz | abrotman: I know the fucking bug exists I witnessed it on the last sarge install I did |
| 18:55.18 | abrotman | yann_: already there |
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| 18:55.23 | jsz | sep, what do you mean ppp's config file? |
| 18:55.31 | abrotman | nvz: Md? |
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| 18:55.36 | citral | Good Sex is Teh Sex |
| 18:55.59 | rootz | abrotman: i checked it, but its not working here |
| 18:56.00 | blondie | sex with my boyfriend is teh sex, but anyway |
| 18:56.23 | koshnaranek | :o |
| 18:56.23 | psychonate | goddamnit, I hate NFS |
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| 18:56.46 | nvz | abrotman: eh? |
| 18:56.53 | psychonate | I'm on a LAN with dynamic IPs, and everytime the IPs get changed, I get screwed. |
| 18:56.54 | abrotman | nvz: udev maintainer |
| 18:57.01 | nvz | abrotman: no.. heh not him |
| 18:57.14 | psychonate | I can't umount the share, and remount it, because the resource is "busy" :( |
| 18:57.18 | koshnaranek | ^_^ |
| 18:57.21 | nvz | abrotman: !main udev |
| 18:57.23 | nvz | er |
| 18:57.27 | nvz | !maint udev |
| 18:57.30 | abrotman | nvz: i'm not a bot! |
| 18:57.33 | dpkg | udev: Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> |
| 18:57.34 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
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| 18:57.42 | rootz | i put Acquire { \n HTTP::Proxy="http://user@pass:server:port/" } but dont work |
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| 18:57.48 | nvz | abrotman: coincidentally I am talking about MD but not that one |
| 18:57.53 | grendal_prime | abrotman, is not a bot...hes a human being....like elephant man |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:58.01 | nvz | abrotman: "Marc Dequènes" <Duck@DuckCorp.org> (Duck) |
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| 18:58.04 | yann_ | abrotman, it doesn't show up in /proc/scsi/scsi , is this normal ? |
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| 18:58.11 | azeem | nvz: that one goes by the name of Duck |
| 18:58.19 | nvz | abrotman: tried to attribute the problem to using xorg, which isnt the case |
| 18:58.22 | azeem | never heard him called 'MD' |
| 18:58.31 | nvz | abrotman: 338828 |
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| 18:58.50 | abrotman | yann_: which doesn't .. the tape drive or the controller ? |
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| 18:58.55 | nvz | abrotman: I need to install gnome on something and see if I can narrow it down more.. or else it looks like it will never get the attention it needs |
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| 18:59.13 | yann_ | abrotman, the controller |
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| 18:59.16 | abrotman | nvz: ask toresbe for the evil bad bug report from mikeeusa |
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| 18:59.27 | yann_ | abrotman, see #flood |
| 18:59.29 | andrew | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:59.29 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 18:59.39 | andrew | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 18:59.39 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 18:59.40 | abrotman | yann_: afaik . it should be there |
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| 18:59.42 | nvz | abrotman: I dont need evil bug reports.. I just need this annoying gnome glitch fixed |
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| 19:00.03 | nvz | abrotman: login errors scare people away.. and I got too many new users running sarge to have that |
| 19:00.06 | azeem | andrew: please /msg the bot if you need the info for yourself |
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| 19:00.10 | sepski | jsz, been a while since i did ppp connections but iirc i think it was "persist" in /etc/ppp/options |
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| 19:00.17 | yann_ | abrotman, ok, so something is wrong with the controller then? |
| 19:00.20 | mango | hi veryone. I am trying to access any of the accounts on my machine from X but none of them can get through. I am running gnome and kde using gdm, as soon as I put the user name and the password on the login window, the initialisation screen comes up to stay there....any help please. thank you |
| 19:00.26 | abrotman | yann_: or the wrong module is loaded |
| 19:00.33 | abrotman | yann_: wait .. |
| 19:00.36 | sepski | jsz, anyways it should be in the manuals search for persist it keeps the link up as long as the daemon is running |
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| 19:00.42 | abrotman | yann_: how many items in /proc/scsi/ ? |
| 19:00.50 | soymilk | abrotman: looks like someone did submit a request for devlabel and it was dismissed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2004/10/msg00299.html |
| 19:01.03 | nvz | mango: you mean you get the GNOME or KDE splash screen and it freezes? |
| 19:01.08 | koshnaranek | mango, can you get a minimal x session? |
| 19:01.14 | sepski | mango, can you ctrl+alt+backspace to get back to login ? |
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| 19:01.44 | soymilk | abrotman: although his one reason for rejecting based on devfs is hard to understand, if devfs is being deprecated.. |
| 19:01.48 | abrotman | soymilk: the guy who dismissed it is in the channel :) |
| 19:01.52 | yann_ | abrotman, aic7xxx device_info scsi |
| 19:01.53 | koshnaranek | mango, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 19:02.01 | toresbe | nvz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318229 definately worth a read :) |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | yann_: lspci .. what is it |
| 19:02.21 | sepski | toresbe, :) |
| 19:02.37 | soymilk | abrotman: ahh :-) |
| 19:02.44 | quitte | koshnaranek: a woodchuck won't chuck any amount of wood as a woodchuck cant chuck would |
| 19:02.45 | abrotman | soymilk: it's not me ... |
| 19:02.48 | quitte | err wood |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | soymilk: i'm not sure if devlabel would work with udev or not |
| 19:03.15 | koshnaranek | quitte, where have you been all my life? |
| 19:03.23 | yann_ | abrotman, see #flood |
| 19:03.23 | nvz | toresbe: looks like a bullshit sexist remark, clearly abusing the BTS |
| 19:03.34 | nvz | toresbe: there doesnt seem to be any bug |
| 19:03.54 | quitte | koshnaranek: no, it's but if a woodchuck could chuck and would chuck how much wood would a woodchuck chuck then ;) |
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| 19:04.01 | nvz | toresbe: utterly stupid as its clear a package as large as xorg is not controlled by anyone |
| 19:04.09 | toresbe | sepski! |
| 19:04.17 | nvz | toresbe: there are tons of developers both in and outside debian handling that package |
| 19:04.17 | abrotman | yann_: what's in /proc/scsi/aic7xxx ?? |
| 19:04.28 | toresbe | nvz: well, read the reactions :P |
| 19:04.57 | nvz | toresbe: I really dont care. thats just b.s. and sidetracking someone who already procrastinates enough from getting anything done. |
| 19:05.02 | toresbe | nvz: (oh, and btw, daniels is a man :P) |
| 19:05.11 | nvz | I figure |
| 19:05.19 | quitte | someone's really gotta start a mi2 talkie project |
| 19:05.36 | rootz | abrotman: it ignores my auth string.. i put Proxy "http://user@pass:ip:port", but when i do apt-get update ,it said that could not find user@pass domain |
| 19:05.53 | yann_ | abrotman, already paste in #flood |
| 19:05.56 | nvz | ahh!! |
| 19:06.29 | nvz | that shit is strong.. bleh |
| 19:06.50 | nvz | got to let that Jager work through the bull before drinking it :P |
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| 19:07.24 | abrotman | yann_: has this hardware configuration ever worked before ? .. does the SCSI bios see the tape device ? |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | rootz: i've never used apt through a proxy |
| 19:08.13 | Daveman | nvz, haha |
| 19:08.22 | jsz | sepski, but that only keeps the connection active, it doesn't dial on startup does it? |
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| 19:08.31 | Daveman | o.O |
| 19:08.35 | yann_ | abrotman, it's a new install, i have to reboot to check the scsi bios |
| 19:08.47 | sepski | jsz, as long as you start pppd using the regular rc.d scripts it does |
| 19:08.56 | rootz | abrotman: ok, tks |
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| 19:09.00 | [FileFly] | hey folks =) |
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| 19:09.13 | [FileFly] | So, just how unstable is "unstable"? =) Thinking about trying it ;) |
| 19:09.31 | abrotman | yann_: check the SCSI bios ... just to make sure it's cabled correctly |
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| 19:09.38 | nvz | [FileFly]: it varies |
| 19:09.41 | jsz | how do I do that? |
| 19:09.44 | abrotman | [FileFly]: some days .. totally useless |
| 19:09.45 | yann_ | abrotman, ok |
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| 19:09.46 | Roey | nvz: thanks |
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| 19:09.47 | EdLin | [FileFly]: iyntays |
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| 19:10.02 | nvz | [FileFly]: the important thing is that you knoe how to resolve broken package situations, can use the BTS..etc |
| 19:10.02 | jsz | sepski, how do I do that? |
| 19:10.22 | nvz | [FileFly]: in other words you should be able to live with or deal with anything that happens on your own without seeking support in here |
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| 19:10.31 | [FileFly] | nvz, im an x-gentoo user :P |
| 19:10.37 | [FileFly] | I know how to sort package probs out :P |
| 19:10.38 | [FileFly] | lol |
| 19:10.48 | yann_ | abrotman, it's getting late here, i will check later, thanks |
| 19:10.56 | nvz | [FileFly]: yeah but their package system is different a lot different |
| 19:10.58 | yann_ | abrotman, thanks for the help |
| 19:11.14 | nvz | [FileFly]: you need a decent knowledge of debian's package system |
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| 19:11.24 | new2linux | hi, I am having rouble eccessing any of the account on my pc. I am running debian 3.1, kernel 3.6 and gdm as a server for the xwindow. When I log into an account the initialisation screen stays there and does not do anything after it.... any clues please. thank you |
| 19:11.26 | [FileFly] | nvz, ohh forget that then. |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | yann_: np |
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| 19:11.34 | [FileFly] | Looks like it's time to move on again ='( |
| 19:12.00 | nvz | [FileFly]: whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 19:12.02 | sepski | jsz, i imagined it did it automagicaly or atlest dpkg-reconfigure asked you about it. anyway ppp package includes a init.d/ppp file |
| 19:12.42 | [FileFly] | nvz, i like Debian so far the most of all the distros i've tried but it needs to be more up-to-date for my liking |
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| 19:12.53 | [FileFly] | Using an old kernel version is quite simply not an option for me. |
| 19:13.09 | gregorovius | can someone recommend a tiny, easy to setup webserver? |
| 19:13.18 | sepski | [FileFly], either run sid. or use sarge or etch with sid simple backports |
| 19:13.30 | nvz | [FileFly]: why is that? |
| 19:13.35 | sepski | !thttpd |
| 19:13.35 | dpkg | somebody said thttpd was tiny/turbo/throttling HTTP server, can do .cgi, virtual domains and limit bandwith for different clients.. |
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| 19:13.56 | [FileFly] | nvz, firstly i like to be on the cutting edge and secondly some of the apps i run require the lates |
| 19:13.58 | [FileFly] | *latest |
| 19:14.00 | new2linux | can any one sees me, I am using irc from the command line for the first time, and not so sure if I am seen , thanks |
| 19:14.01 | [FileFly] | cedega for example |
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| 19:14.13 | gregorovius | thank you dpkg, any human opinions? |
| 19:14.15 | sepski | new2linux, no we cant see you at all |
| 19:14.15 | nvz | [FileFly]: debian as do most distros, heavily patches its kernels.. its the logistics of the whole package system why we cant simply provide newer versions in stable.. though we do backport fixes |
| 19:14.16 | jsz | gregorovius, debian net install with apache, iptables custom firewall |
| 19:14.32 | nvz | [FileFly]: you can however use whatever kernel you like. you are not limited to the kernels the system comes with |
| 19:14.38 | gregorovius | I don't wanna mess with apache, I just want to host a couple of files for my own use |
| 19:14.56 | kuda | someone help me please: After apt-get mysql-server-4.1 i wanted to change the root password but it did not allowed me!what should i do? |
| 19:14.58 | nvz | [FileFly]: debian includes a tool called kernel-package that makes building custom kernels as they come out, quite simple |
| 19:15.06 | [FileFly] | nvz, true but that goes against the simplicity that is the Debian package system =( |
| 19:15.14 | nvz | [FileFly]: it does it all from patching, configuring, to packaging |
| 19:15.31 | jsz | gregorovius, mess with it? you just have to replace index.html in /var/www |
| 19:15.31 | nvz | [FileFly]: once you are done you have a custom made Debian package |
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| 19:15.37 | nvz | [FileFly]: that meets your needs |
| 19:15.43 | jsz | and chmod files to 644 |
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| 19:15.56 | sepski | kuda, details. how didnt it allow you ? if you had mysqol allready (4.0) then it's using the same password as thatone |
| 19:15.59 | nvz | [FileFly]: in gentoo I am sure you would have had to do the same.. roll your own if you wanted to stay up to date |
| 19:16.14 | nvz | [FileFly]: we have tools to help automate and integrate this process |
| 19:16.19 | gregorovius | jsz: I've never used it... I have the notion it's a behemoth webserver :) |
| 19:16.35 | mango | can you see me please |
| 19:16.44 | kuda | anyone?! i want to change the root password in mysql but i can´t see how! |
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| 19:17.23 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 19:17.24 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 19:17.45 | sepski | kuda, zless /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:18.01 | nvz | The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize that they will never see... the P. |
| 19:18.10 | kuda | sepski: i´ve read that but i already changed the password |
| 19:18.13 | [FileFly] | nvz, yea but that's the point of gentoo and that's one of the things im trying to escape from =\ |
| 19:18.19 | kuda | i was creating firt my.cnf |
| 19:18.28 | [FileFly] | I love gentoo, it's one of the finest distros out there equally as is Debian |
| 19:18.32 | sepski | kuda then add -p to be asked about the old password |
| 19:18.34 | kuda | and mysqladmin was reading the file |
| 19:18.46 | [FileFly] | But Gentoos for desktops, Debians for servers, havn't found the perfect laptop distro so far :P |
| 19:18.52 | mango | help please, I can not access my account from on the xwindow...when I log in the nothing happens, I ma using gnome on gdm...thank you |
| 19:18.53 | nvz | Gimme my money in stacks and lace my bitches with nine figures, real n* fingers on nickel plated 9(mm) triggers. |
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| 19:19.21 | EdLin | [FileFly]: don't you think running sid just in order to get a later kernel version is overkill? |
| 19:19.21 | nvz | [FileFly]: well there isnt going to be anyone better than you to keep your kernels on the bleeding edge no matter what you use. |
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| 19:20.09 | nvz | [FileFly]: the people like Linus dedicated to updating kernel code daily or more often than that, dont give two shits about providing you with binary packages :P |
| 19:20.14 | jsz | [FileFly], BSD is for servers and Debian is for desktop, try Ubuntu for you're lappy |
| 19:20.34 | nvz | jsz: what does that have to do with _anything_ |
| 19:20.36 | [FileFly] | EdLin, naa im used to it with gentoo ;) |
| 19:20.40 | Eulex | [FileFly], 2.6.14 is in unstable |
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| 19:20.56 | [FileFly] | Eulex, indeed so but it doesn't have everything i need |
| 19:21.02 | azeem | nvz: they did extensive testing of some popular notebooks |
| 19:21.05 | jsz | nvz, [FileFly] But Gentoos for desktops, Debians for servers, havn't found the perfect laptop distro so far :P |
| 19:21.06 | [FileFly] | Can't remember what exactly the problem was with it but there was one |
| 19:21.07 | nvz | jsz: he basically said he wants the ease of debian's package management with a personal kernel maintainer in his closet |
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| 19:21.16 | Eulex | [FileFly], define "everything you need" |
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| 19:21.27 | jsz | Ubuntu |
| 19:21.40 | [FileFly] | jsz, I hated Ubuntu =\ |
| 19:21.49 | azeem | heh |
| 19:21.56 | [FileFly] | Liked it for a couple of days but quickly grew tired of its simplicity :P |
| 19:22.00 | [FileFly] | I'm a console kinda guy :P |
| 19:22.04 | jsz | try NetBSD |
| 19:22.08 | jsz | Thats my server |
| 19:22.09 | [FileFly] | I don't want wizards for everything :P |
| 19:22.19 | jsz | and Im running Plan 9 too |
| 19:22.28 | [FileFly] | jsz, naa my servers due to be upgraded to FreeBSD* shortly ;) |
| 19:22.32 | jsz | I don't use X |
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| 19:22.36 | [FileFly] | But i don't believe cedega runs on BSD |
| 19:22.46 | nvz | [FileFly]: oh yeah, thats right the kind of geek who likes console and playse cedega games.. |
| 19:23.05 | [FileFly] | nvz, yep :P |
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| 19:23.07 | jsz | [FileFly], incase you didn't know, there is a server install version for Ubuntu which is just a minimum install wtihout alot of shit |
| 19:23.16 | paroneayea | well, loaded all the appropriate modules. usb_core and such are loaded. But strangely enough, still no power to my wacom tablet when I plug it into this computer (light doesn't turn on)... but still works when I plug it into any other |
| 19:23.18 | [FileFly] | jsz, yea im aware ;) |
| 19:23.30 | [FileFly] | I just don't like the distros ideas |
| 19:23.34 | [FileFly] | Debian has the right idea ;) |
| 19:23.41 | [FileFly] | power in simplicity |
| 19:23.43 | [FileFly] | :) |
| 19:23.48 | [FileFly] | But not "too" simple. |
| 19:23.55 | jsz | it is debian pretty much |
| 19:23.57 | EdLin | !tell [FileFly] -about enter |
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| 19:24.33 | jsz | !tell [FileFly] -about smart questions |
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| 19:24.46 | azeem | jsz: well, if he prefers Debian, so what? |
| 19:24.49 | [FileFly] | meh, later folks |
| 19:24.59 | nvz | jsz: yeah debian _is_ on topic here |
| 19:25.12 | jsz | azeem, you've missed the point |
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| 19:25.29 | nvz | jsz: I think we are on different points.. you and everyone else that is. |
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| 19:26.07 | jsz | I'm going to bed, bbl. |
| 19:26.29 | nvz | "Fuck All Yall" sounds good right about now |
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| 19:26.44 | ajkroll | well, enough frozen bubble for a day... that game is stupidly additing |
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| 19:27.15 | nvz | yeah I am beginning to think about getting a decent joystick and video card instead of a portable pc.. since I cant decide |
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| 19:27.33 | nvz | "You can raise your middle finger if you feel me, loc: |
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| 19:27.43 | soymilk | aha! even though blkid is part of e2fsprogs, it read the UUID of any filesystem |
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| 19:28.10 | nvz | I love this song.. heh I always did like Pac.. and this is a good song |
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| 19:28.44 | Xenguy | kampasky_: YDWTK |
| 19:28.50 | mjk64 | Is there a (Debian) way to save all the boot messages (not only kernel msg, but also service scripts' output) to a file while or after booting? |
| 19:29.09 | aarkerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.28 | sepski | aardvarq, time to change that password i belive.. |
| 19:29.38 | Tracy_P | darn space gave you away aarkerio |
| 19:29.40 | Eulex | lol |
| 19:29.42 | nvz | rap is garbage anymore.. but they are finally realizing that its better to squash the beef than to end up dead |
| 19:29.59 | nvz | they are learning to fight more with words |
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| 19:30.06 | Eulex | mjk64, dmesg > whatever? |
| 19:30.44 | mjk64 | Eulex: That covers only the kernel messages, but not the output of the various scripts running at boot time |
| 19:31.09 | nvz | people like that damn Mike Jones.. repetitive hooks and him shouting out his cell phone number on every track |
| 19:31.10 | Eulex | mjk64, hmm, dunno then. maybe check your syslog? |
| 19:31.11 | mjk64 | Eulex: There are a few error messages, which I want to investigate, and it would be nice to have them in a file |
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| 19:31.28 | mjk64 | Eulex: Already checked that, to no avail. :-} |
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| 19:31.46 | roler | how do I figure out the resultion or whatever you call it for the xorg.conf for a synaptics pad? |
| 19:32.26 | mjk64 | Eulex: I thought there was a kind of SAVE_BOOT_LOG=true in /etc/boot or something which would tell all scripts to log their output until the final runlevel has been reached. |
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| 19:33.12 | Eulex | mjk64, not that I know of, no. but it may exist, without me knowing. |
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| 19:33.54 | mjk64 | Eulex: Hmm ... one could write that functionality, but I didn't wanna botch already, I'm still new to Debian. :-) |
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| 19:35.07 | madclicker | how do i "make an image" out of an iso with graveman? |
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| 19:35.25 | nvz | duh.. what? |
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| 19:35.43 | EdLin | madclicker: do you mean make an iso? Your question makes no sense. |
| 19:35.45 | Eulex | madclicker, an iso is an image |
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| 19:36.06 | madclicker | how do i burn an iso file with graveman? |
| 19:36.14 | nvz | dum dee dum dee dum dee dum |
| 19:36.24 | madclicker | with K3b i select "burn image" |
| 19:36.44 | madclicker | but k3b is not in etch |
| 19:36.56 | nvz | !+info k3b etch |
| 19:36.57 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:37.05 | dpkg | Package 'k3b' does not exist. |
| 19:37.11 | nvz | hmm interesting |
| 19:37.12 | roler | how do I figure out the resultion or whatever you call it for the xorg.conf for a synaptics pad? |
| 19:37.36 | EdLin | roler: www.google.com |
| 19:37.38 | madclicker | if i install k3b from sid, id doesnt work |
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| 19:37.55 | psychonate | What can I use to record something with a mic? |
| 19:37.55 | nvz | roler: chances are nobody knows wtf you are talking about which means no matter how many time you repeat the same incoherent question, nobody will give a productive answer |
| 19:37.58 | paroneayea | hm. Still doesn't make muhch sense to me how there would be a lack of power going to the wacom tablet though. I think that when I first installed this system, before I even installed the wacom drivers, that the thing got power |
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| 19:38.03 | nvz | roler: you should try rephrasing |
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| 19:38.21 | madclicker | how does one burn an iso file to a cd on etch? |
| 19:38.35 | soymilk | fucking lynx |
| 19:38.35 | sepski | madclicker, i use cdrecord |
| 19:38.36 | Eulex | madclicker, copy cd and select an iso as source, and please do not repeat |
| 19:38.38 | nvz | cdrecord maybe |
| 19:38.38 | EdLin | madclicker: I assume cdrecord works |
| 19:39.00 | EdLin | madclicker: it has an excellent manpage, especially the "EXAMPLES" section. |
| 19:39.12 | madclicker | EdLin, roger |
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| 19:41.28 | EdLin | madclicker: most Linux manpages are awful, but cdrecord's are thorough. |
| 19:41.59 | caphuso | cdrecord doesn't have a linux man page |
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| 19:42.21 | EdLin | caphuso: cdrecord does have a man page. |
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| 19:42.58 | rabies | hiya |
| 19:43.06 | caphuso | EdLin: which has only a dozen lines or so that bear any relationship to linux... |
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| 19:43.23 | nvz | caphuso: does it even matter? |
| 19:43.24 | rabies | ah, i can feel the scarcasm permeating the text. |
| 19:43.26 | hramrach_ | hehe |
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| 19:43.29 | EdLin | caphuso: ok, cdrecord has a GNU/cdrecord page. Happy now? |
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| 19:43.48 | caphuso | the cdrecord is not related to gnu or linux |
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| 19:43.59 | caphuso | s/is/manpage is/ |
| 19:44.11 | nvz | caphuso: the whole point of a command like cdrecord is so people dont have to speak the kernel's language :P |
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| 19:44.47 | hramrach_ | hehe, but the cdrecord does not like the kernel language much either. |
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| 19:45.09 | rabies | test |
| 19:45.19 | nvz | I am sure it works the same regaurdless of what its running on as far as hardware or software goes |
| 19:45.35 | nvz | rabies: no, you are not online anymore. |
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| 19:46.00 | rabies | nvz, damn it |
| 19:46.19 | rabies | nvz: how do i get online? |
| 19:46.45 | karsten | rabies: apt-get install irony-detection |
| 19:46.51 | nvz | rabies: you can't its in your parole agreement. |
| 19:46.59 | rabies | karsten: is that an official package? |
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| 19:47.07 | nvz | rabies: the fbi just doesnt want you looking at GAMP anymore |
| 19:47.11 | rabies | nvz: sssh, dont tell my officer |
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| 19:47.50 | hramrach_ | I cannot find the package, what repository do you use ? |
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| 19:48.17 | rabies | hramrach_: im hoping you dont mean irony-detection... |
| 19:48.24 | hramrach_ | :D |
| 19:48.31 | nvz | rabies: yeah, he doesnt have the humor package installed |
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| 19:48.43 | rabies | :) |
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| 19:48.54 | rabies | nvz: i just learned about that metapackage yesterday |
| 19:48.58 | nvz | rabies: they apperently couldnt port it to his arch. |
| 19:48.59 | rabies | nvz: dont make him feel bad about it |
| 19:49.08 | rabies | nvz: ah...thems the breaks |
| 19:49.33 | hramrach_ | rotfl |
| 19:49.34 | karsten | Hrm.... |
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| 19:49.47 | karsten | apt-cache search lsd; apt-cache search thc |
| 19:49.52 | rabies | hramrach_: maybe you can find an emulator |
| 19:50.00 | roler | I havve kernel 2.6.11 installed and want to install 2.6.14. Can I just copy the .config from the source tree to the other to save myself a lot of time selecting options? |
| 19:50.15 | rabies | roler: sure, but double check the options before compiling |
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| 19:50.20 | karsten | roler: make oldconfig |
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| 19:50.36 | karsten | roler: Read the README in /usr/src/<kernel sources> |
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| 19:50.41 | rabies | roler: some times it doesnt copy over cleanly |
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| 19:51.02 | nvz | its not so much it doesnt copy, as it is the damn kernel developers minds change like the wind. |
| 19:51.13 | rabies | nvz: hence why im stil using .12 |
| 19:51.16 | nvz | no, A should be included in B, but C should be separate |
| 19:51.33 | hramrach_ | readme?! it says you should compile with some 2.95 gcc, they forgot to add something about gcc3 .. |
| 19:51.34 | roler | karsten, ; oh cooL! So I just copy the .config and then make oldconfig? |
| 19:51.41 | nvz | no, no, A and B should be separate, C should be built-in |
| 19:51.42 | karsten | roler: In theory. |
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| 19:51.47 | rabies | nvz: at least we got rid of that stable version, having a stable and experiemental branch was even worse |
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| 19:52.04 | rabies | roler: like i said, its not a 1:1 map, you have to manually verify everything copied right |
| 19:52.28 | roler | super cool |
| 19:52.34 | nvz | man its a PITA trying to grep a text book |
| 19:52.36 | rabies | er, not really, but yeah... |
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| 19:52.54 | hramrach_ | roler: the oldconfig works quite well for me |
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| 19:53.22 | roler | it's working right now |
| 19:53.24 | roler | this is great |
| 19:53.24 | nvz | ah I found it quickly this time.. |
| 19:53.25 | rabies | hramrach_: sucess varies depending on your computer... |
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| 19:53.37 | hramrach_ | yes, and the options selected |
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| 19:54.30 | roler | hanks gus |
| 19:54.33 | lex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.35 | roler | lol |
| 19:54.37 | roler | thanks guys |
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| 19:55.21 | hramrach_ | lex_: there used to be some setting for this in ntp.conf, wasn't it? |
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| 19:56.23 | lex_ | hramrach_, stratum keyword is not recognized |
| 19:56.25 | sepski | darn now my xorg dies again even with vesa driver ! |
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| 19:56.35 | sepski | soi it's not nvidia's drivers fault then probably. |
| 19:56.46 | nvz | dpkg, How many open source developers does it take to change a lightbulb is <reply> 17. 17 to argue about the liscense; 17 to argue about the brain-deadedness of the lightbulb architecture; 17 to argue about a new model that encompasses all models of illumination and makes it simple to replace candles, campfires, pilot lights, and skylights with the same easy-to-extend mechanism; 17 to speculat about the secretive industrial conspiracy that ens |
| 19:56.47 | dpkg | nvz: that's too long |
| 19:56.53 | nvz | heh |
| 19:56.59 | nvz | which part the name or the contents? |
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| 19:57.38 | nvz | dpkg, open source and lightbulbs is <reply>How many open source developers does it take to change a lightbulb? 17. 17 to argue about the liscense; 17 to argue about the brain-deadedness of the lightbulb architecture; 17 to argue about a new model that encompasses all models of illumination and makes it simple to replace candles, campfires, pilot lights, and skylights with the same easy-to-extend mechanism; 17 to speculat about the secretive ind |
| 19:57.39 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
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| 19:59.09 | hramrach_ | lex_: what sources does the server use? |
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| 20:02.04 | lex_ | hramrach_, north-america.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:02.12 | lex_ | hramrach_, Should be level 3 |
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| 20:03.27 | lex_ | hramrach_, It is strange anyhow though, cause some of the data i get on a client where i run ntpdate -d server1 says that some date or other is in 2036... go figure... but googling i see thats common. Just not found a way to fix it |
| 20:03.31 | roler | this is so cool |
| 20:04.24 | hramrach_ | lex_: did you try running ntpq? |
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| 20:04.51 | lex_ | hramrach_, yes... and it does give some odd things |
| 20:05.05 | hramrach_ | you can check the status of the server with a command like peers |
| 20:05.44 | lex_ | zoiedog.com .RSTR. 16 u - 128 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 |
| 20:05.49 | lex_ | And |
| 20:06.04 | lex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.19 | lex_ | Which is weird... that reject shouldnt be there.... but then again, with ntpdate it does work |
| 20:06.21 | hramrach_ | then it is not synchronized |
| 20:06.56 | lex_ | hramrach_, so it goes like this? Wait till its sincronized, then you can use it as a server? |
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| 20:07.19 | hramrach_ | It should synchronize in a short time |
| 20:07.22 | lex_ | hramrach_, I mean, why does ntpdate works fine |
| 20:07.35 | ma3x | is this sentence correct? "There seems to be a lot of people here who can't read" |
| 20:07.38 | lex_ | hramrach_, Its been running for at least half an hour |
| 20:07.39 | hramrach_ | Try setting up a few servers |
| 20:08.01 | ma3x | or "There seems to be lot of people here who can't read" ? |
| 20:08.09 | lex_ | hramrach_, Ill do that... will it help it converge? |
| 20:08.10 | ma3x | with the 'a' or without? |
| 20:08.21 | ma3x | or "There seems to be lots of people here who can't read" ? |
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| 20:08.28 | ma3x | which one of the 3 is correct? |
| 20:09.10 | Buddha| | ma3x - either #1 or #3 is correct. #2 is definitely wrong. |
| 20:09.12 | psychonate | eh, I would guess the first one |
| 20:09.26 | psychonate | should it be "seem" instead of "seems" though? |
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| 20:09.39 | ma3x | yes, that's right |
| 20:09.43 | ma3x | thank you |
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| 20:10.02 | hramrach_ | lex_: sometimes one server may be broken, setting up a few is more reliable |
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| 20:10.30 | hramrach_ | But I am not sure what the RSTR state means |
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| 20:11.15 | lex_ | hramrach_, restricted i guess? |
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| 20:11.43 | hans_kraus | hola |
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| 20:11.46 | azeem | hramrach_: are you Michal Suchanek? |
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| 20:11.59 | hramrach_ | azeem: yes |
| 20:12.03 | hramrach_ | why? |
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| 20:12.31 | azeem | I thought I recognized your nick somehow, and I saw you posting on l4-hurd recently |
| 20:12.50 | hramrach_ | :) |
| 20:13.05 | hramrach_ | I forgot to set up my real name |
| 20:13.20 | azeem | there's #hurd-l4 if you are interested, but it is very low-traffic |
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| 20:14.09 | hramrach_ | azeem: I will stick with the mailing list for now. I am not much on irc |
| 20:14.41 | azeem | ok, I was just not sure whether you were aware of the chan. The list is more interesting right now anyway :) |
| 20:15.00 | hramrach_ | thanks for letting me know :) |
| 20:16.18 | hramrach_ | lex_: if you uncumment the localhost line the ntp server will work even when not synchronized from outside |
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| 20:16.46 | lex_ | hramrach_, HUH? really? mhm...lets see |
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| 20:18.19 | hramrach_ | lex_: yes, it says that localhost is stratum 13 so it should work |
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| 20:19.20 | hramrach_ | ie other machines should be able to synchronize with it |
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| 20:19.58 | nicolasbolbol | Hello |
| 20:20.05 | nicolasbolbol | I have a problem with ssh : When I try to start sshd it say me that my permission 0711 for my key is too open |
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| 20:20.26 | nicolasbolbol | what is the correct chmod ? |
| 20:20.31 | ajkroll | 700 |
| 20:20.37 | ajkroll | errmm |
| 20:20.39 | ajkroll | no |
| 20:20.42 | ajkroll | 600 |
| 20:20.43 | hans_kraus | in sid, is hotplug replaced by udev? |
| 20:20.47 | nicolasbolbol | oki thanks |
| 20:20.49 | jah | yep, I think it's 60 |
| 20:20.53 | jah | s/60/600 |
| 20:21.19 | PiRaNjA | what is sid? |
| 20:21.27 | hans_kraus | debian sid |
| 20:21.31 | hans_kraus | s.i.d. |
| 20:21.32 | PiRaNjA | yes |
| 20:21.36 | hans_kraus | still in development |
| 20:21.36 | PiRaNjA | super |
| 20:21.36 | jah | unstable |
| 20:21.45 | hans_kraus | yes, unstable |
| 20:21.45 | PiRaNjA | ah |
| 20:21.59 | ajkroll | Simple Idiot Detector |
| 20:22.00 | PiRaNjA | ok |
| 20:22.04 | PiRaNjA | hahahha |
| 20:22.07 | toresbe | heh |
| 20:22.20 | hans_kraus | so is hotplug obsolete and replaced by udev? |
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| 20:22.33 | ajkroll | see also: simpletons who don't read faq's |
| 20:23.06 | PiRaNjA | ok |
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| 20:23.38 | ajkroll | PiRaNjA: seriously, all the distro names are in a faq @ debian.org |
| 20:23.41 | hramrach_ | hans_kraus: you can replace hotplug with udev. But I guess it is not obsolete for now |
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| 20:24.59 | dusk_ | hey, I want start work on a window manager thats a cross between gnome and fluxbox, so I have two questions: 1) where should I start, 2) is the name matisse taken with any linux project? |
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| 20:26.31 | hramrach_ | dusk_: 2) stfw for the name. And 1) why yawm? |
| 20:26.43 | PiRaNjA | yes but do you know what do suid guid and stick really do? |
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| 20:26.58 | dusk_ | !stfw |
| 20:26.58 | dpkg | methinks stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
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| 20:27.12 | dusk_ | hramrach: i did |
| 20:27.12 | dusk_ | !yawm |
| 20:27.12 | dpkg | methinks yawm is a kristin yawn |
| 20:27.18 | dusk_ | what? |
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| 20:27.28 | hramrach_ | no, yet another window manager |
| 20:27.49 | dusk_ | why do you care what I do with my free time? |
| 20:27.55 | Killdogg5000 | How do you install a Linksys WUSB54Gv.4 network adaptor in sarge? |
| 20:28.15 | dusk_ | oh wait |
| 20:28.19 | dusk_ | wdycwidwmft? |
| 20:28.41 | Killdogg5000 | SO far i have been told to go to prism54. |
| 20:28.57 | beoba | HOW I MINE FOR FISH? |
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| 20:29.29 | Tortel | ! ! |
| 20:29.29 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 20:29.41 | Eulex | beoba, I wouldn't search for fish in rock |
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| 20:29.42 | hramrach_ | dusk_: I want good window managers. There are so many oth there that you can hardly improve the choice but you could probably find one that does almost what you want, and extend it slightly so that it is better. Just an idea |
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| 20:31.37 | cleaton | anyone here who feels like helping with alsa and debian? |
| 20:31.49 | cleaton | cant get the audio to work with cedega |
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| 20:32.52 | Eulex | cleaton, can you get sound from other apps? |
| 20:33.14 | cleaton | yep |
| 20:33.30 | cleaton | currently listening to internet-radio in xmms |
| 20:33.43 | Eulex | and you're sure you're using alsa and not oss? |
| 20:33.53 | KerPlunk | I have a geforce 6600 and I'm using the 2.6.14-2-386 kernel...what is the best guide for me to use to install 3d accel drivers so i can play games? |
| 20:33.59 | cleaton | i think im using oss, but i want to use alsa |
| 20:33.59 | antgel | quit |
| 20:34.28 | scotty | does anyone know what happened to the version.h file in the kernel source 2.4.27 |
| 20:34.30 | cleaton | as it is used in a guide i follow to run ventrilo on linux |
| 20:34.45 | Eulex | cleaton, ok, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and run alsaconf as root |
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| 20:34.53 | cleaton | already done |
| 20:35.05 | cleaton | but it says no soundcard detected |
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| 20:35.19 | Eulex | cleaton, is it an old isa card you've got over there? |
| 20:35.26 | cleaton | i have an built in ac97-codec on nforce2 |
| 20:35.40 | antgel | !seen abrotman |
| 20:35.41 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (6h 38m 55s). Has said a total of 155790 messages. Is idling for 1h 24m 9s |
| 20:35.45 | cleaton | the nforce2 driver is installed |
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| 20:36.22 | Eulex | cleaton, is this something you had to build yourself, and whish wasn't included in alsa? |
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| 20:36.50 | cleaton | no, just used apt-get |
| 20:36.52 | abrotman | antgel: need help ? |
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| 20:37.15 | antgel | abrotman: nothing in particular. just saw kingsley_'s response to my question ^ |
| 20:37.24 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. there was one ? |
| 20:37.28 | cleaton | or what was it you ment that i built myself? |
| 20:37.34 | antgel | abrotman: but let me take the opportunity to say thanks |
| 20:37.39 | antgel | abrotman: and thanks again! |
| 20:37.58 | Roxport | is menu.lst same as grub.conf? |
| 20:38.01 | abrotman | antgel: no problem .. thank you for having a good day! |
| 20:38.06 | Eulex | cleaton, I can't find anything specific to the nforce2 chipset in the debian repos |
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| 20:38.29 | cleaton | you mean the soundcard driver? |
| 20:38.40 | blunted | how do i fix my monitor resolution |
| 20:38.53 | Eulex | cleaton, yep |
| 20:38.59 | Eulex | !dxx blunted |
| 20:39.02 | blunted | i came here yesterday and was told to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:39.05 | blunted | but see that dont work |
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| 20:39.12 | blunted | even when i input the correct values |
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| 20:39.26 | Eulex | blunted, did you select the resolutions you want? |
| 20:39.27 | blunted | it still wont let me have any resolution greater than 800x600 |
| 20:39.29 | blunted | yes |
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| 20:39.37 | Eulex | blunted, what did you select? |
| 20:39.40 | blunted | all the way up to 1280x1024 |
| 20:39.40 | Robca | someone here who knows how i can get debian running and working with all functions on my Acer 4101WLMi ? |
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| 20:39.47 | cleaton | i downloaded it from nvidias site as i thought it would maybe work then |
| 20:39.48 | blunted | which is what the max for my monitor is |
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| 20:39.56 | cleaton | the sound worked before that too |
| 20:40.01 | Eulex | Robca, check you X log |
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| 20:40.11 | Eulex | Robca, sorry |
| 20:40.17 | Eulex | blunted, check your X log |
| 20:40.21 | antgel | kingsley_: you seem to have a problem with "irc being plagued by spam, emotive language, shouting and questionable bans". i have news for you. that's because it reflects real life. debian is about freedom not nannying. why don't you swallow your pride and accept the fact that *nobody* has anything good to say about this activity? |
| 20:40.26 | blunted | for? |
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| 20:40.49 | Robca | Eulex X is not the problem, Firewire is one of them, and hotkeys also :s |
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| 20:41.09 | zarathustra- | I keep using kpkg to successfully build Kernels, I also get them installed with dpkg, but everytime I boot new kernels they say my /dev/hda is wrong, and I get a kernel panic abbout the filesytem |
| 20:41.12 | hramrach_ | Robca: what firewire card? |
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| 20:41.28 | Eulex | Robca, sorry, I directed my answer at the wrong person |
| 20:41.34 | blunted | anyone know how to fix my sound |
| 20:41.36 | blunted | too |
| 20:41.37 | Robca | hramrach_ integrated in the Acer 4101WLMi.... |
| 20:41.41 | hramrach_ | Robca: and what is the problem with firewire? |
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| 20:41.48 | blunted | the card isn't detected right or something |
| 20:41.54 | Eulex | blunted, for what? to check what is wrong |
| 20:42.02 | hramrach_ | Robca: use lspci to see what chip they put in |
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| 20:42.16 | Eulex | cleaton, what exactly did you download? |
| 20:42.16 | jayjay734 | Hi everyone, for the 4th day I am still trying to install debian on my box:), so now, the d-i finished and reboot (after installing grub) and then nothing happens. Any idea plz? |
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| 20:42.34 | Eulex | jayjay734, define "nothing" |
| 20:42.40 | blunted | nothing is wrong |
| 20:42.50 | jayjay734 | the boot fails with a black screen |
| 20:42.51 | blunted | it just wont let me use the resolutions that i told it |
| 20:42.53 | antgel | kingsley_: furthermore, rather than "thinking" that your measurements (and i use the term loosely) will make the channel run better and help more people, i think you should give us *concrete reasons* as to why. |
| 20:42.53 | de_mon | jayjay734 plug the computer in, you should atleast get lights on the machine. |
| 20:42.55 | cleaton | NFORCE-Linux-x86-1.0-0310-pkg1.run |
| 20:43.01 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Something happened so shutdown -r now doesn't reboot my system ( it waits for some processes to stop but it seems it cant). The file system is read only. Is it possible to remount in in some way? |
| 20:43.01 | blunted | because i guess debian is second rate or something |
| 20:43.12 | de_mon | jayjay734 you should also see a bios boot screen. your computer is screwed. not debians fault. |
| 20:43.15 | antgel | abrotman: he's not here but he'll be logging it all :P |
| 20:44.02 | jayjay734 | Eulex , de_mon : the boot fails after the bios , with a black screen |
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| 20:44.29 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: not even a cursor? |
| 20:44.44 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : let me check ... |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | antgel: he needs thicker skin perhaps ? |
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| 20:45.19 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : yes a cursor, i think grub installation failed |
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| 20:46.09 | Eulex | cleaton, could you try manually modprobing snd_intel8x0? |
| 20:46.17 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: it locks up very early, for me it usually writes an error message at least |
| 20:46.18 | zarathustra- | after building a kernel with kpkg where do i find the intrid image? |
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| 20:46.51 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : just a blinking cursor that's all |
| 20:46.52 | antgel | abrotman: real fucking wanker. rather than try to help the channel by <shock horror> supporting users, he undertakes an activity which is ill-thought out and poorly executed, and then still thinks it's clever despite everyone telling him that it's stupid and uncalled for |
| 20:46.58 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: you can try creating (or downloading) a grub floppy, and boot from that |
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| 20:47.03 | abrotman | antgel: he did do some support for a while .. |
| 20:47.04 | antgel | zarathustra-: /boot |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | antgel: if you lastlog me .. i did suggest some stuff to him |
| 20:47.25 | abrotman | antgel: the complete lack of a total line count .. kind of skews the results |
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| 20:47.29 | antgel | abrotman: i don't have enough ram to lastlog you :P |
| 20:47.47 | abrotman | antgel: i've only been in here for a few hours today .. it's not tha tmuch |
| 20:47.54 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : ok i l do that |
| 20:48.07 | cleaton | Eulex, if you tell me how ;) |
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| 20:48.35 | zarathustra- | nope after building a 2.6.14 kernel i only have a initrd for the default 2.6.8 yet i did run dpkg after building |
| 20:48.45 | antgel | abrotman: i can't, i'm on a different machine anyway. my point is if he cares so much, he could continue to muck in with support |
| 20:48.58 | abrotman | antgel: lead by example! |
| 20:49.23 | antgel | abrotman: i will. thanks |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | antgel: not you .. him |
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| 20:49.48 | usn | hi folx |
| 20:50.00 | zarathustra- | hello usn |
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| 20:50.15 | cddesjar | someone should update dpkg regarding the backport for oo.org2 for sarge at www.backports.org |
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| 20:50.23 | antgel | abrotman: aha. thanks anyway. if he's leading by example we all need to make shit websites logging the channel for words like lesbian and no doubt buggery |
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| 20:50.28 | abrotman | cddesjar: i made it the other day .. what's wrong with it ? |
| 20:50.30 | abrotman | !sarge oo2 |
| 20:50.30 | dpkg | [sarge oo2] deb http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/ ./ |
| 20:50.35 | abrotman | cddesjar: it's broken ? |
| 20:50.45 | cddesjar | abrotman: oh...it just try /msg dpkg openoffice |
| 20:50.54 | Eulex | cleaton, log in as root (or even better, use sudo) and type modprobe snd_intel8x0 and press enter |
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| 20:50.55 | abrotman | cddesjar: see if that works better for you |
| 20:50.58 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : quick question, if I boot 2.4 it installs a 2.4 right? |
| 20:51.12 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : (it == debian installer) |
| 20:51.13 | Smerdyakov | Are there any good tools for visualizing which packages are installed and their dependencies, to figure out which you don't really want anymore? |
| 20:51.25 | Eulex | zarathustra, did you choose to build an initrd? |
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| 20:51.32 | dino4k | Smerdyakov: try debfoster |
| 20:51.34 | antgel | Smerdyakov: aptitude, deborphan, debfoster? |
| 20:51.35 | zarathustra- | dpkg updated grub but never put an intird image in boot for my kernel 2.6.14 any ideas as kernel keeps panicing? |
| 20:51.39 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: I haven't installed anything in a long time, but I would think so |
| 20:51.55 | antgel | zarathustra-: man make-kpkg. you need --initrd |
| 20:51.58 | zarathustra | Eulex, no sir |
| 20:52.09 | zarathustra | antgel: auch nicht |
| 20:52.11 | zarathustra- | ooooooooooo |
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| 20:52.13 | cddesjar | abrotman: i was trying to get it from that website a day before it was backported and i ended up getting it from sid. do you think it's more 'unsafe' to get it from sid than a backport? |
| 20:52.19 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : ok , I ll ask everyone after I tried the boot disk.. thanks |
| 20:52.20 | antgel | zarathustra-: english? |
| 20:52.31 | antgel | cddesjar: yes |
| 20:52.35 | Smerdyakov | Sounds good. Thanks. |
| 20:52.38 | zarathustra- | thanks I'm getting the hang of this |
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| 20:52.45 | zarathustra | me too |
| 20:52.48 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: is it that important which kernel version got installed? |
| 20:52.50 | Eulex | zarathustra, an initrd is generally just too much hassle if your kernel is made for one single system -- rather compile in the needed modules directly (ie not as modules) |
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| 20:52.58 | abrotman | cddesjar: dunno .. i don't use OO.o |
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| 20:53.10 | cddesjar | antgel: yeah now i'm running a mixed gnome system because of it some 2.8 packages and some 2.10 packages |
| 20:53.18 | zarathustra- | quit |
| 20:53.21 | Eulex | cleaton, what output do you get? |
| 20:53.30 | cleaton | one sec |
| 20:53.40 | cleaton | command not found |
| 20:53.46 | antgel | cddesjar: congratulations |
| 20:53.49 | Eulex | cleaton, you must be root |
| 20:54.02 | Eulex | cleaton, or even better, use sudo |
| 20:54.03 | cleaton | noticed |
| 20:54.05 | dusk | whats a good mailing list for general help with xorg/dri/ati getting dri working? |
| 20:54.14 | cleaton | i get cant locate module |
| 20:54.24 | Eulex | cleaton, what kernel are you running? |
| 20:54.25 | antgel | dusk: what's the problem? |
| 20:54.29 | cddesjar | so in general are backports safer than getting packages from sid? |
| 20:54.38 | antgel | cddesjar: of course |
| 20:54.39 | cleaton | 2.4 |
| 20:54.44 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : when I boot the installer with 2.6 it crashes (same one blinking cursor) so I when booting the 2.4 it installs the 2.6 then this could explain the problem |
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| 20:54.51 | cddesjar | antgel: thanks |
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| 20:54.59 | antgel | cddesjar: but if you mix backports from different sources it's pot luck |
| 20:55.05 | Surtol | hallo |
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| 20:55.15 | Surtol | hmmm |
| 20:55.15 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: it should display some grub screen first, you should notice that |
| 20:55.19 | Eulex | cleaton, then you need to install the alsa modules for your kernel or upgrade to a 2.6 kernel (which includes those by default) |
| 20:55.25 | cddesjar | antgel: yeah i was reading about that on marillat's website |
| 20:55.33 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : yes that's right, so it must be grub |
| 20:55.41 | dusk | antgel: im trying ot get DRI working, I installed fglrx, including all drivers/source, when I set driver to "fglrx" in xorg.conf, i am locked in at 1024 (i get dri here), but when I use "ati" i can use my LCD screen rez (1280) but without dri |
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| 20:56.00 | de_mon | antgel thanks for brining this up again, intersting read |
| 20:56.25 | dusk | antgel: im running xorg, sid, have a dell lcd monitor 18", and have an r300 based ati card |
| 20:56.31 | antgel | dusk: if you insist on using ati's drivers, you need to ask ati for support |
| 20:56.37 | antgel | de_mon: ? |
| 20:56.43 | cleaton | Eulex, sounds like it'll take a while |
| 20:56.45 | dusk | antgel: which drivers do you reccomend instead? |
| 20:56.54 | cleaton | is there a good guide for it? |
| 20:57.01 | antgel | dusk: the ones in xorg |
| 20:57.05 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : i am reinstalling to try lilo |
| 20:57.12 | cleaton | i think i'll upgrade it to 2.6 |
| 20:57.15 | dusk | antgel: how do I use them? id be more than willing to try xorgs |
| 20:57.28 | hramrach_ | dusk: try to upgrade to xorg/dri cvs, it should have drivers for most ati cards :) |
| 20:57.36 | Eulex | cleaton, not at all, just apt-get the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:57.51 | Eulex | dusk, is it Pci-express or agp? |
| 20:57.51 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: on what system are you installing? |
| 20:57.58 | dusk | eulex: agp |
| 20:58.12 | antgel | dusk: i'm not sure if they'll support direct rendering. you need to look at the docs on x.org. |
| 20:58.22 | dusk | how to I point xorg to use its own drivers? put driver "xorg"? |
| 20:58.30 | antgel | dusk: what card? |
| 20:58.36 | dusk | antgel: ati radeon 9500 |
| 20:58.43 | cleaton | Eulex, ok, will try it ;) |
| 20:58.48 | antgel | dusk: then you need the ati driver afaik |
| 20:58.52 | Eulex | dusk, ok, xorg/dri cvs should work then. but back to fglrx -- you may need to use 915resolution to achieve your resolution |
| 20:58.53 | hramrach_ | the xorg release only supports dri on r2x0 |
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| 20:59.07 | dino4k | dusk: try man radeon ;) there you should find wich cards are supported |
| 20:59.12 | antgel | dusk: man ati will let you know if the driver supports dri |
| 20:59.13 | hramrach_ | up to radeon 9250 |
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| 20:59.46 | dusk | eulex: im sorry, but what is 915rez? |
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| 21:00.03 | Eulex | dusk, you can also check your X log to see why it couldn't achieve the resulution you chose |
| 21:00.04 | cleaton | Eulex, is it the image i should apt-get? |
| 21:00.15 | Eulex | dusk, apt-cache show 915resolution |
| 21:00.18 | Eulex | cleaton, yep |
| 21:00.21 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : i386 (amd sempron) with nforce4 on a ide ata drive |
| 21:00.28 | Eulex | cleaton, and select the right one for your cpu |
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| 21:00.35 | Faust | Hi. Do the ubuntu and debian installers have the same partition limitations? |
| 21:00.37 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 21:00.50 | Eulex | Faust, how would be know? |
| 21:00.53 | elephantMan | I am back with a full new debian sys |
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| 21:01.01 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: nforce4 chipset? |
| 21:01.14 | Faust | Eulex: tried both on small HDs? |
| 21:01.23 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : yes |
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| 21:01.33 | Faust | Eulex: to create multi-partition setups? |
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| 21:01.43 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: fortunately (for me) I did not hav eto touch that :) |
| 21:01.43 | _mg_ | Hello all. Does somebody else also have problems with printing with cups from unstable? (Print jobs disappearing without error messages) |
| 21:01.55 | antgel | _mg_: checked the bts? |
| 21:02.11 | Eulex | Faust, it's very likely that they have the same limitations, but this is #debian, not #debian-and-debian-based |
| 21:02.27 | _mg_ | antgel, well tons of entries, but I did not find my problem there (at least on first sight) |
| 21:02.40 | dusk | eulex: heh, thx anyway, this is only for intel |
| 21:02.53 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: you can try installing lilo but it the reason why grub does not work is more fundamental it is likeli lilo will fail as well.. |
| 21:02.56 | antgel | _mg_: ime cupsys always logs *something* even in failure scenarios |
| 21:03.14 | Eulex | dusk, ok, check you X log then |
| 21:03.39 | dusk | think xrandr would work? |
| 21:03.44 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : the minute you said that, the boot was failing...same problem |
| 21:03.51 | _mg_ | antgel, I set the debug level to "debug2" (log everything), but I can't find the reason in there. Might just be me though... |
| 21:03.57 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : if I boot with a floppy what ca i do |
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| 21:04.15 | Faust | Eulex: yes, but seeing there is no cross comparative channel I've come to next best thing. I myself have installed both many times but not with recent d-i or on small systems. Seeing that there are probably others hwho have tried both systems, I call upon them. Thanks anyway. |
| 21:04.25 | antgel | _mg_: no E lines with normal debug setting? |
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| 21:04.36 | _mg_ | antgel, no E lines. |
| 21:04.37 | hramrach_ | jayjay734: if you boot grub from a floppy you can use it to examine the system |
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| 21:04.55 | antgel | _mg_: weird. did this ever work for you? |
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| 21:05.09 | Eulex | Faust, btw, specifically what limitations are you talking about? people in here probably can answer for debian, but not for ubuntu |
| 21:05.10 | _mg_ | antgel, yes, a few days ago it did just perfectly. |
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| 21:05.19 | cleaton | Eulex, should it really be this fast? It's already done |
| 21:05.20 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : ok, I burn a knoppix then |
| 21:05.22 | antgel | _mg_: is this a new install or an upgrade? |
| 21:05.23 | Faust | Or I might fall on luck and get an answer from a developer responcible for d-i |
| 21:05.26 | gq_gunhed | hi there |
| 21:05.34 | Eulex | dusk, what has xrandr got to do with it? |
| 21:05.36 | antgel | Faust: what partition limitations are you referring to? |
| 21:05.42 | Eulex | cleaton, yes. |
| 21:05.47 | cleaton | ok |
| 21:05.49 | _mg_ | antgel, a new install (unstable from the sarge netinst iso) |
| 21:05.52 | cleaton | now what |
| 21:06.07 | Eulex | cleaton, reboot and try out the new kernel :) |
| 21:06.17 | dusk | eulex: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 21:06.17 | dusk | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 21:06.17 | dusk | direct rendering: No |
| 21:06.34 | antgel | _mg_: if if doesn't work after purging and reinstalling, it may well be a bug |
| 21:06.35 | Eulex | cleaton, btw, you're running grub right? |
| 21:06.47 | _mg_ | antgel, I'll try that now. |
| 21:06.56 | cleaton | yes |
| 21:06.59 | dusk | eulex: my log says it loaded that file without a hitch |
| 21:07.25 | Eulex | dusk, what? |
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| 21:07.45 | de_mon | antgel I never would have found http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc if you hand't bright kingsley_ up a few min ago |
| 21:07.52 | dusk | eulex: xfree86 dri |
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| 21:08.11 | antgel | de_mon: i'm sorry for polluting your day with that crap |
| 21:08.34 | mjk64 | grub-install /dev/sda says: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target9/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. --- I ran that over the original menu.lst configure by the Debian installer. What's wrong? |
| 21:08.40 | danielR | where can i find some info on the mail program, i need to send a file from the comand line and i can't find out how ? |
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| 21:09.00 | Eulex | dusk, check the log for the reason. |
| 21:09.13 | Eulex | dusk, and further down than your looking now, kthx |
| 21:09.22 | antgel | danielR: if it's text, i *think* you can pipe it to mail |
| 21:09.22 | de_mon | yeah.. it's amazing what people (me) consider entertainment these days. |
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| 21:09.42 | mjk64 | danielR: For other file types, try mutt. mutt -a <file>, IIRC |
| 21:09.45 | danielR | antgel: not text, and yes you can pipe text in |
| 21:09.46 | Faust | antgel: I had problems with something like 1 G to 250MB for /, 1G for swap, 120 for /tmp, 250m for /var, and -4G for /home. It seems d-i will not accept anything less than 4G for /home |
| 21:09.47 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : I have to go actually , thanks for your help |
| 21:09.55 | hramrach_ | np |
| 21:10.00 | gq_gunhed | danielR: try "man uuencode" perhaps that's what you're looking for |
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| 21:10.15 | gq_gunhed | danielR: first "uuencode" the file - then pipe it to mail |
| 21:10.16 | Roey | HI |
| 21:10.26 | Roey | is Xen on Etch a possibility in the coming month? |
| 21:10.31 | antgel | Faust: sounds odd to me. perhaps /usr was too small? |
| 21:11.00 | danielR | gq_gunhed: i am looking in taring a file and send it to a mail addess.. and that from a script... |
| 21:11.16 | antgel | danielR: as nobody else is answering, i'll venture that you need to manually encode the binary. but not something i've ever dared try |
| 21:11.25 | de_mon | Faust eh? my /home is 3G |
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| 21:11.46 | Faust | well, if I can keep from installing a 2.6 kernel (use 2.4) I'll try again after lunch. Thanks de_mon, I |
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| 21:11.48 | antgel | danielR: there you go. what gq_gunhed said :) |
| 21:11.50 | Faust | 'll try again |
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| 21:12.20 | Eulex | Faust, should work. I've done it. |
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| 21:12.37 | gq_gunhed | danielR: in the "man uuencode" is an example "tar cf - src_tree.... go on - read it ;-) |
| 21:13.15 | Eulex | Faust, if not, goto bts |
| 21:13.17 | _mg_ | antgel, seems to work again after purge and install of cupsys. really strange, because it worked days ago and I didn't touch the config. anyway, thanks for the tip. |
| 21:13.19 | de_mon | which /dev/ node is lpt1(db25) |
| 21:13.23 | danielR | gq_gunhed: that's exactly what i needed, thanx for your time. |
| 21:13.26 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 21:13.39 | antgel | yonkeltron: same to you |
| 21:13.41 | gq_gunhed | danielR: no problem :-) |
| 21:14.12 | Faust | Does anyone recall how to get into the kenel selection menu? thanks Eulex, de_mon. |
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| 21:14.22 | antgel | _mg_: let's just call it "the joy of unstable" |
| 21:14.27 | antgel | Faust: there isn't one |
| 21:14.31 | antgel | !tell Faust about ig |
| 21:14.51 | _mg_ | antgel, =) |
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| 21:15.18 | de_mon | Faust shift probably |
| 21:15.33 | Faust | hmm, I installed onto hardware that the d-i was confused and prompted for kernel selection. |
| 21:15.37 | Eulex | Faust, are you running grub or lilo? |
| 21:15.39 | Faust | k |
| 21:16.16 | Eulex | Faust, oh, is it the selection menu when booting a debian cd? |
| 21:16.53 | Faust | well, grub I assume as I believe it is default. This will be my only pc install. I usualy run ppc which does have lilo or grub |
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| 21:17.21 | cddesjar | are all debian packages available for linux available for hurd? |
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| 21:17.43 | mymayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.44 | antgel | cddesjar: at a guess, not even close |
| 21:17.47 | Eulex | Faust, grub should prompt you for what kernel to boot at every boot, and boot the default within a few seconds |
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| 21:18.25 | netcatc_home | #sgi-br |
| 21:18.26 | Faust | I mean during the initial install. But I'll figure it out. |
| 21:18.29 | antgel | !topicsmite mymayer |
| 21:18.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mymayer. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:18.46 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: "sudo passwd root" enter your passwd to set new root passwd |
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| 21:19.15 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: but that's not a debian question ;-) |
| 21:19.45 | Eulex | cddesjar, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00006.html |
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| 21:21.05 | cddesjar | Eulex: regarding HURD? |
| 21:21.15 | Eulex | cddesjar, what else? :P |
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| 21:21.51 | RichiH | what is the difference between a trusted and an ordinary x509? |
| 21:22.06 | Laibsch | Anybody here familiar with asterisk? I upgraded to the latest unstable and afterwards asterisk refused to start. Purged everything and installed the latest testing packages which used to work before. Still the same problem. |
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| 21:22.23 | cddesjar | i like the first paragraph 'it's mostly up to date and *resonably usable*' |
| 21:22.24 | antgel | RichiH: i'd be interested to know that. perhaps it's an application-specific thing? |
| 21:23.06 | RichiH | antgel: no. i think more it's about if that cert may sign stuff you, in turn, trust |
| 21:23.20 | RichiH | but i am not sure and google does not yield anything good, yet |
| 21:23.38 | davro | Laibsch, /join #asterisk might get better luck ? |
| 21:24.14 | antgel | Laibsch: nothing specific, but check the logs |
| 21:24.54 | Laibsch | davro: I thought so too. They said I should install from source. I think that is luaghable for something that only worked yesterday. They said the packages were shitty. |
| 21:25.10 | Laibsch | antgel: I checked the logs. Nothing I could spot. |
| 21:25.15 | antgel | Laibsch: what a constructive criticism |
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| 21:26.05 | antgel | Laibsch: did anything else get upgraded? in any case, it's unstable. all i can say is check the bts (and raise a bug if you're sure there is one) |
| 21:26.42 | Laibsch | Doing an "asterisk -U asterisk -c" as root dropped me straight back to the shell more or less which should happen. It should start asterisk and drop me to an asterisk shell. |
| 21:27.30 | Laibsch | antgel: My system is usually testing. I upgraded other things, I am sure. The problem was not solved going back to asterisk testing packages. |
| 21:27.37 | cddesjar | is there a good website that someone could point me to explaining the best debian flavor to use for a desktop environment? |
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| 21:28.09 | antgel | cddesjar: when you say flavour, do you mean out of the three debian releases, or distros based on debian? |
| 21:28.09 | Giammarco | sera |
| 21:28.16 | Laibsch | cddesjar: I think the two are unrelated. |
| 21:28.18 | cddesjar | antgel: sarge, etch, or sid |
| 21:28.40 | Giammarco | @find harry |
| 21:28.50 | antgel | cddesjar: you're missing the point. whichever you use is nothing to do with whether or not you run a desktop |
| 21:29.27 | Laibsch | antgel: I hesitate to file a bug report because of that. I can't pinpoint anything. |
| 21:30.07 | antgel | Laibsch: you say that. it's not working. if you're sure you've done nothing wrong, it could well be a bug. worst case is that maintainer will close it |
| 21:30.13 | cddesjar | well basically i want a stable desktop where i'll be able to have slightly new packages and i would imagine the best way of doing this is through sarge using backports |
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| 21:30.25 | cddesjar | i don't want to use ubuntu or any derivates |
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| 21:30.55 | stewpid | evening people i seem to have ports blocked but how do i open them? |
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| 21:31.02 | antgel | cddesjar: the point is that stability and new packages are mutually exclusive |
| 21:31.07 | lekvar | cddesjar: I've been playing with ubuntu and frankly it's good for what you're asking for, though i migrated back to regular debian myself... |
| 21:31.33 | antgel | lekvar: no it's not. lots of bugs imo |
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| 21:31.47 | cddesjar | i don't want all of the bloat of ubuntu |
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| 21:32.06 | cddesjar | i like apt-get not update-manager or even synaptic for that matter |
| 21:32.07 | thechitowncubs | Is there any way to rotate wallpapers in gnome? |
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| 21:32.09 | lekvar | antgel: I'm curious to hear more on that. i switched back for other reasons |
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| 21:32.28 | cddesjar | i like command line not huge GUIs that eat all my RAM |
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| 21:32.41 | lekvar | cddesjar: the thing is, you can do a "server" install and just add in what you want. there's info on this in the ubuntu wiki somewhere |
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| 21:32.44 | antgel | cddesjar: why not just run a sarge desktop? you might find that once you get down to *using* the system, you wo't feel the need for newer packages |
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| 21:33.03 | cddesjar | antgel: and i guess the only 'new' package i really want is oo.org2 |
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| 21:33.08 | mrwill | anybody know a way to detach/reattach forwarded x11 sessions? I'd like something like screen, except for x-forwarding. |
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| 21:33.29 | antgel | cddesjar: there's a backport afaik |
| 21:33.31 | cddesjar | and i can get that via backports |
| 21:33.33 | repp_ | mrwill: run your x session in vncserver |
| 21:33.33 | cddesjar | yup |
| 21:33.38 | lekvar | Personally I just found the overall level of info online for regular debian blows ubuntu away, though the info on ubuntu is pleasantly oriented and focussed towards accomplishing desktop/user-ey things |
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| 21:33.50 | mrwill | repp_: yeah, besides vnc, I was hoping for a minimal bandwidth solution. |
| 21:33.57 | antgel | cddesjar: i used to run unstable. i then upgraded to sarge / wmaker, and i find that i can do *everything* i need and more |
| 21:34.39 | Uglyrock | hello all, can anyone explain the following.. I have a Debian3.1 install, when I do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config at a local console, I get 5 config options including internet and smart host, when I do the same via ssh , only get 3 local delivery only, Manually convert exim 3 config, or no config at this time. ?? |
| 21:34.48 | repp_ | mrwill: vnc is pretty much as close to "screen" as you will get, I think. I'd like a re-attachable X as well and I think it could be done, just that the feature isn't quite there today. |
| 21:35.01 | lekvar | Is there a reasonably nice wysywyg-ey editor that isn't a monstrosity like OOo or abiword? All I want is to fiddle with my resume, not compose the great american novel complete with illustrations |
| 21:35.14 | Uglyrock | lekvar NVU |
| 21:35.27 | antgel | lekvar: i don't want to slate ubuntu. i can see it's good points. installed it on my parents' machine. they are not computing geniuses. bug in openswan stopped me connecting to vpn. bug in oo2 when importing word docs with a picture hung it. bug in reportbug sends bugs to the wrong place. |
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| 21:35.36 | antgel | s/it's/its |
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| 21:36.01 | sfullenwider | does xmms use /dev/dsp? |
| 21:36.07 | Buddha| | lekvar - Gvim with Cream |
| 21:36.15 | Tromer | alguem do brasil? |
| 21:36.16 | rabies | antgel: its just debian sid...i'd use sarge personally |
| 21:36.22 | antgel | lekvar: dare i suggest latex, perhaps authored with emacs / auctex or whizzytex, or another latex wysiwyg? |
| 21:36.22 | rabies | antgel: bit more robust |
| 21:36.44 | Eulex | !br |
| 21:36.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 21:36.52 | lekvar | antgel: you certainly may! |
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| 21:37.23 | lekvar | I never wound up learning *tex so i've shied away from getting into it but i know people with *tex format resumes |
| 21:37.26 | antgel | rabies: it was for my parents so i wanted to try it for them as it's meant to be good for non-techie users. they now use kubuntu. i often wonder how much less friendly sarge / kde would be |
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| 21:37.57 | Buddha| | lekvar - what window manager do you use? |
| 21:38.01 | lekvar | i've been switching platforms just often enough that i start whacking the wrong movement and editing keys no matter whether i'm in a gui editing window, vi, emacs, whatever heh |
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| 21:38.20 | antgel | lekvar: it's the nuts. unfortunately the learning curve isn't great. i have the canonical book. i like to dive in with the best book, even if it's not the easiest :) |
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| 21:38.36 | eBug | i'm looking for an encrypted fs. Any suggestion ? |
| 21:38.53 | Eulex | lekvar, abiword is a monstrosity? you gotta be kidding... |
| 21:38.56 | antgel | lekvar: there are tex modes for vim and emacs (auctex for emacs, i forget the vim one) which make editing it a pleasure. |
| 21:38.56 | lekvar | Buddha|: - I'm using fluxbox right now but typically it's either that or sawfish. i'm trying to work out a good low-bloat system to install on a thinkpad 600e i'll be receiving in the near future. way too slow for GNOME IMO. can't stand that laggy responsiveness on a slow machine |
| 21:39.00 | eBug | something like stegFS |
| 21:39.11 | antgel | lekvar: *box, wmaker, xfce |
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| 21:40.07 | lekvar | wmaker's cool. I tried wmii for a while but it semed like a lot of learning for features i dont really NEED right now |
| 21:40.12 | sfullenwider | Anyone know how to make /dev/dsp ? |
| 21:40.14 | antgel | lekvar: the thing about latex is like all good tools you spend some time thinking wtf then it grows on you as you actually *use* it |
| 21:40.16 | Leonidas | hi |
| 21:40.27 | Buddha| | lekvar - Leafpad is good, as long as you don't need multiple fonts or pictures |
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| 21:40.41 | Eulex | sfullenwider, is sound working on that machine? |
| 21:40.58 | sfullenwider | Only with one app. |
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| 21:41.23 | Eulex | sfullenwider, and that app is...? |
| 21:41.29 | cleaton_ | Eulex, didnt go too well :( |
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| 21:41.42 | Eulex | cleaton_, it didn't? |
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| 21:41.45 | jeroko | why can't i install kde on debian, any help? |
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| 21:41.51 | Leonidas | anybody knows why make-kpkg builds a kernel with -mno-fpu? It seems a little strange to me, as I thought I do have a FPU. |
| 21:41.54 | DonZabu | Ello? |
| 21:41.59 | antgel | jeroko: at least tell us what you're doing |
| 21:42.04 | rabies | antgel: they wouldnt be able to tell the difference |
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| 21:42.11 | Eulex | jeroko, and what errors you get |
| 21:42.14 | rabies | antgel: kde is kde is kde to an end user :) |
| 21:42.19 | DonZabu | what are the smieleys? |
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| 21:42.23 | sfullenwider | E: well totem was working yesturday, but it appears to be unhappy today. |
| 21:42.43 | jeroko | broken dependencies kde-core and some more... |
| 21:43.01 | Eulex | sfullenwider, are you using oss or alsa? |
| 21:43.11 | sfullenwider | E |
| 21:43.15 | nvz | DonZabu: what? |
| 21:43.16 | sfullenwider | ; neither according to ps |
| 21:43.21 | rabies | jeroko: what branch of debian? |
| 21:43.30 | jeroko | unstable |
| 21:43.36 | rabies | jeroko: use sarge |
| 21:43.42 | elephantMan | What packages do i need to install to use 'make xconfig' ? |
| 21:43.44 | gq_gunhed | sfullenwider: can you run an "alsaconf"? |
| 21:43.44 | JB007 | Hi All, I have a question about the installation of sarge on an Intel SE7320VP2 with embedded sata raid. Does someone has experence with it ? |
| 21:43.45 | hefty | since I am running x.org with etch I do have more and more X-apps that dont start anymore...gxine...gmplayer...gkrellm...etc. any suggestions which package I do need to configure/recompile whatever?! |
| 21:43.50 | rabies | jeroko: why exactly are you subjecting yourself to unstable? |
| 21:43.58 | elephantMan | It say something about 'qt' - but i only see 'libqt4' packages |
| 21:43.59 | koshnaranek | sarge is for wimps :p |
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| 21:44.03 | koshnaranek | j/k |
| 21:44.05 | sfullenwider | -su: alsaconf: command not found |
| 21:44.05 | rabies | koshnaranek: lol |
| 21:44.08 | koshnaranek | no really |
| 21:44.12 | nvz | JB007: I havent heard the question yet. so no, I havent experienced it. |
| 21:44.15 | rabies | koshnaranek: you are a funny man |
| 21:44.30 | Eulex | hefty, they should work. start them in a terminal and see why they are crashing. |
| 21:44.34 | antgel | rabies: i did suspect that. i also have them using mozilla so they lose some integration there. but i thought perhaps ubuntu would be friendlier in terms of getting things working etc. i should have a sarge/kde box to compare. it's important as we want to push linux onto our customers' desktops. we need to tread *very* carefully and make the right choices for maximum impact |
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| 21:44.38 | koshnaranek | what are we going to do tonight, brain? |
| 21:44.40 | lekvar | unstable will drive you batty unless you're pretty good at package management |
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| 21:45.04 | rabies | antgel: not a konqueror fan eh? |
| 21:45.07 | nvz | koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
| 21:45.09 | Eulex | cleaton_, so, what happened? |
| 21:45.13 | rabies | lekvar: it drives you batty anyway |
| 21:45.14 | hefty | Eulex: I get e.g. for gxine something like: (gxine:18340): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_set_default_icon: assertion `GDK_IS_P IXBUF (icon)' failed ** ERROR **: No such image: /usr/share/themes/Crux/pixmaps/slider_h_trough_focus aborting... |
| 21:45.18 | cleaton_ | Eulex, first I chose kernel for i686 but it wouldnt boot correctyl |
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| 21:45.36 | rabies | antgel: meh, distros only vary for the administrator, not the end user |
| 21:45.41 | cleaton_ | installed the 2.6-386 instead but then the nvidia drivers messed up |
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| 21:45.49 | gq_gunhed | sfullenwider: so you have a file /dev/dsp? are your sound modules loaded? |
| 21:45.53 | cleaton_ | so now im at the default nvidia drivers |
| 21:45.57 | rabies | antgel: if you want to give them a distro with some good GUI config tools, thats a different story, debian doesnt have very good GUI config tools |
| 21:45.59 | hefty | Eulex: gkrellm just crashs when I goto "configuration"... |
| 21:46.10 | sfullenwider | gq_gunhed: no /dev/dsp, makedev "doesn't know how to make" /dev/dsp |
| 21:46.11 | rabies | antgel: dunno about ubuntu, but i suspect it doesnt either |
| 21:46.17 | hefty | Eulex: gmplayer dont start at all....I just see a black/white screen when I start it as root... |
| 21:46.22 | cleaton_ | the sound works now, but with wine th mouse freaks out when i record sound |
| 21:46.23 | JB007 | nvz: my problem is that with a linux26 option, the raid array is seen as 2 separate HDD |
| 21:46.48 | gq_gunhed | sfullenwider: hmm, mom |
| 21:46.56 | Stereo | http://es.gnu.org/~jemarch/images/rms_clip.jpg <-- we need that in debian |
| 21:47.08 | Eulex | cleaton_, ah, must be an old cpu then... pre-pentium pro -- and you need to recompile the nvidia drivers |
| 21:47.18 | rabies | Stereo: definitely |
| 21:47.24 | nvz | JB007: it is. until you specify otherwise I would think |
| 21:48.03 | rabies | xorg, i thought debian was gonna use the modular one |
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| 21:48.05 | lekvar | sawfish never got tabs did it? i'm a big fan of tabs hence fluxbox |
| 21:48.11 | rabies | never got released eh? |
| 21:48.15 | Eulex | hefty, for the first one, that has nothing to do with X.org, second, I dunnno, and third, why are you trying to run an X program as root? |
| 21:48.31 | cleaton_ | Eulex, it's an amd xp 2500+ ;) |
| 21:48.36 | JB007 | nvz: and how do I have to specify it ? |
| 21:48.37 | cleaton_ | ok, will do |
| 21:48.37 | hefty | Eulex: that was just a test...it dont start as my user at all... |
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| 21:48.47 | nvz | dpkg, qotd156 is <reply> < koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
| 21:48.47 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
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| 21:48.59 | nvz | I dont understand how qotd0 works |
| 21:49.26 | Eulex | cleaton_, you should have installed the -k7 then |
| 21:49.26 | nvz | lekvar: tabs? |
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| 21:49.38 | rabies | !qotd |
| 21:49.38 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
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| 21:49.48 | Eulex | hefty, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 21:49.49 | sfullenwider | es1371: version v0.32 time 12:59:27 Sep 27 2005 |
| 21:49.51 | mayer | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7676-pkg2.run |
| 21:49.51 | rabies | nvz: that help? |
| 21:49.52 | hefty | Eulex: etch |
| 21:49.52 | gq_gunhed | sfullenwider: what debian are you using? what about kernel modules - let's say: lsmod | grep "snd" |
| 21:49.52 | antgel | rabies: you make some very good points. i suspect, though, that the release cycles will push us toward kubuntu for customers as they are impressed by flashy whizzbang shit |
| 21:49.55 | cleaton_ | Eulex, when i recompile the nvidia drivers i get an error with nvidia.o? |
| 21:49.57 | sfullenwider | I think that's the sound driver (from dmesg) |
| 21:49.58 | nvz | rabies: no look |
| 21:49.59 | nvz | !literal qotd0 |
| 21:49.59 | dpkg | qotd0 is <reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9) |
| 21:50.04 | mayer | re that nvidia drivers for a 64bit system only, or just for the AMD64 prozessor ? :NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7676-pkg2.run |
| 21:50.07 | Buddha| | lekvar - Fluxbox, Openbox, and Ion3 are the only WMs I know of with tabs. |
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| 21:50.15 | nvz | rabies: there is a leading | and numbers that come up arent listed |
| 21:50.17 | rabies | nvz: so it just redirects to a random quote |
| 21:50.20 | Eulex | hefty, check the bts for those programs. |
| 21:50.26 | Eulex | cleaton_, what error? |
| 21:50.31 | nvz | rabies: yeah but all 156 are not listed there |
| 21:50.33 | rabies | nvz: ask dondelelcaro |
| 21:50.38 | Tracy_P | lekvar, What pager do you use with Fluxbox? |
| 21:50.44 | nvz | rabies: hes not around right now |
| 21:50.48 | cleaton_ | Eulex, will check again |
| 21:51.03 | rabies | apt: who owns you? |
| 21:51.04 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 21:51.13 | sfullenwider | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.13 | Eulex | cleaton_, I have no experience compiling the nvidia drivers, but other may be able to help you |
| 21:51.15 | rabies | hes not around either... |
| 21:51.17 | sfullenwider | using debian testing |
| 21:51.18 | rabies | nvz: dunno then |
| 21:51.23 | thc | !kingsleysmite apt |
| 21:51.25 | dpkg | apt: You're nothing but a b*tt w*nking l*sbian! |
| 21:51.26 | soymilk | Buddha|: what are tabs? (i use openbox but don't know...) |
| 21:51.27 | dondelelcaro | the leading | just gives you '' |
| 21:51.34 | rabies | antgel: um...ok... |
| 21:51.56 | rabies | antgel: and technically ubnutu really doesnt have a release cycle...it just refines sid at random times |
| 21:51.56 | nvz | dondelelcaro: so how does that literal generate the 156 numbers? |
| 21:52.01 | elephantMan | Well sound doesn't work on my debian computer |
| 21:52.11 | elephantMan | What are the steps to make it work ? |
| 21:52.11 | Buddha| | soymilk - tabs let you attach windows together. it helps with keeping windows organized, especially terminal windows. |
| 21:52.14 | Eulex | sfullenwider, are snd-*-oss stuff there? |
| 21:52.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it won't. I'tll generate 146 though |
| 21:52.20 | thc | elephantMan: that depends on your soundcard |
| 21:52.28 | sfullenwider | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/dsp" |
| 21:52.29 | rabies | 149 |
| 21:52.31 | sfullenwider | Eulex: no |
| 21:52.47 | soymilk | Buddha|: how? can i attach two rxvt windows? |
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| 21:52.54 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh I see now |
| 21:53.03 | Eulex | sfullenwider, /dev/dsp is for oss -- you need to modprobe alsa modules that offer oss emulation |
| 21:53.10 | soymilk | elephantMan: apt-get install alsa-base; alsaconfig |
| 21:53.18 | antgel | rabies: again, i hear what you're saying. we have a potential customer with a 25-pc windows network. we're going to give them a linux box or two to trial. perhaps we'll do one sarge and one kubuntu and see what they like more |
| 21:53.19 | Eulex | sfullenwider, http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html |
| 21:53.21 | Buddha| | soymilk - hold down 'alt', click the titlebar of one window, and drag it onto the titlebar of another window. |
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| 21:53.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the leading | gives null for 0-9 though you dont really want it calling qotd0 o.O |
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| 21:53.34 | toresbe | antgel: why KDE? |
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| 21:53.51 | dondelelcaro | nvz: not a big deal, it'll trigger in thien complete to a different factoid (most likely) |
| 21:53.52 | sfullenwider | Eulex: it worked while I was in sarge...might be a problem to others if it ever gets frozen. |
| 21:53.53 | antgel | toresbe: *grin* because it's garish, like windows, and they'll feel at home with it |
| 21:54.01 | rabies | antgel: like i said, it depends on the admin, not the user |
| 21:54.01 | soymilk | Buddha|: i'm using Openbox and that does nothing |
| 21:54.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and it has loop control anyway. |
| 21:54.07 | toresbe | antgel: don't want to start a war, but most Windows users I've converted are far happier with GNOME |
| 21:54.12 | Eulex | sfullenwider, umhh, sarge is frozen |
| 21:54.18 | rabies | antgel: its w/e the admin wants to use, and hopefully hes experienced enough to know how to run at least 1 distro |
| 21:54.30 | rabies | antgel: the enduser wouldnt know the difference between any distro |
| 21:54.38 | sfullenwider | Eulex: I meant etch being frozen, sorry |
| 21:54.42 | dondelelcaro | sarge really isn't frozen. It's released. |
| 21:54.45 | Buddha| | soymilk - okay. I was told it worked, but never tried it myself. Apparently whoever told me that worked was lying. |
| 21:54.46 | Eulex | sfullenwider, ok |
| 21:54.47 | antgel | rabies: um, let's see if they prefer the newer software in kubuntu. the users *would* know the difference because of that |
| 21:54.56 | soymilk | Buddha|: i have "focus follows mouse" so when i drag the window title bar onto another it never loses its focus |
| 21:55.02 | rabies | antgel: not really, cause virtually zero would know theres a newer version |
| 21:55.16 | dondelelcaro | sfullenwider: etch will freeze, but it won't happen for a while. Probably will start in mid 2006. |
| 21:55.16 | rabies | antgel: and its not their choice, 99.9% of users will use what the admin chooses for them |
| 21:55.27 | rabies | dondelelcaro: wow, so they really shortened the release cycle |
| 21:55.29 | Eulex | sfullenwider, well, did you modprobe those modules mentioned at http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html? |
| 21:55.45 | antgel | toresbe: hmm. my experience differs. i don't like either really, but gnome is too minimal and clean looking for most windows users i know. |
| 21:55.53 | mayer | which is the best way to mount a partition which is on my server, here on my desktop debian ? |
| 21:55.53 | antgel | rabies: again, good points which i take on board |
| 21:56.00 | Buddha| | soymilk - maybe it doesn't work with focus-follows-mouse |
| 21:56.11 | rabies | antgel: you pitching linux to companies or something? |
| 21:56.21 | Buddha| | soymilk - I have no idea. I'm using WindowMaker right now, and I'm in the middle of a long download... |
| 21:56.22 | toresbe | antgel: heh. when set up well, like Ubuntu does it, it's a killer desktop. |
| 21:56.39 | antgel | rabies: that's one of the things we do, yes |
| 21:56.45 | rabies | antgel: "we"? |
| 21:56.47 | soymilk | Buddha|: so you can switch to *box on the fly without closing apps |
| 21:57.02 | antgel | rabies: the company |
| 21:57.07 | rabies | antgel: which is called...? |
| 21:57.11 | Buddha| | soymilk - what do you mean? |
| 21:57.13 | antgel | rabies: wayforth |
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| 21:57.19 | antgel | rabies: we're small |
| 21:57.29 | sfullenwider | Eulex |
| 21:57.38 | rabies | antgel: british eh? |
| 21:57.48 | soymilk | Buddha|: you can switch from windowmaker to (flux|open|black)box without having to log out of X |
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| 21:57.53 | Akbar | is everyone experiencing slow opengl support with radeon 9600 with the proprietary module? |
| 21:57.55 | Eulex | sfullenwider, yes? |
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| 21:58.04 | sfullenwider | Eulex, works now. |
| 21:58.04 | antgel | toresbe: i'm not denying that. but it looks too different for them. you should see how attached they get to their outlook etc |
| 21:58.07 | Eulex | Akbar, is dri enabled? |
| 21:58.09 | antgel | rabies: *nod* |
| 21:58.10 | Eulex | sfullenwider, ok |
| 21:58.13 | soymilk | Akbar: i'm not |
| 21:58.15 | Akbar | yah |
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| 21:58.24 | rabies | good stuff.. |
| 21:58.25 | Akbar | glxgears gives me about 1000 fps |
| 21:58.31 | soymilk | Akbar: but then again, i don't have a radeon card ;-) |
| 21:58.34 | antgel | rabies: you in .uk? |
| 21:58.40 | nvz | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/14/14|15/ |
| 21:58.41 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 21:58.42 | rabies | antgel: na, cali, USA |
| 21:58.46 | Eulex | Akbar, glxinfo|grep direct |
| 21:58.58 | antgel | rabies: shame. we need to hire somebody with a clue, and you seem to have one :) |
| 21:59.03 | rabies | nvz: make sure it doesnt go over 156 |
| 21:59.04 | Akbar | when I switch to higher resolutions .. the framerate goes down.. down.. and mouse becomes slow |
| 21:59.08 | Eulex | Akbar, btw, glxinfo ain't a benchmark |
| 21:59.12 | Akbar | yah I got direct rendering |
| 21:59.17 | Akbar | build the module |
| 21:59.24 | rabies | antgel: meh, i doubt im qualified to do consulting, but thx for the offer :) |
| 21:59.47 | Akbar | so yeah direct rendering: Yes |
| 21:59.57 | antgel | rabies: you'd love it here. it's literally freezing with no redeeming features |
| 21:59.59 | toresbe | antgel: yeah, I know very well :) |
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| 22:00.08 | Eulex | Akbar, sounds strange. really sounds like there's no dri. |
| 22:00.10 | nvz | rabies: bah there is only 157, 158, and 159 thats a chance of 3 in 160 or 0.01875 probability |
| 22:00.12 | rabies | antgel: oh joy...yeah...i think ill stick with california |
| 22:00.20 | mayer | re that nvidia drivers for a 64bit system only, or just for the AMD64 prozessor ? :NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7676-pkg2.run |
| 22:00.21 | rabies | :) |
| 22:00.29 | rabies | nvz: so? |
| 22:00.37 | rabies | nvz: its a very important factoid |
| 22:00.40 | Eulex | Akbar, or a bug; check your logs for constant errors coming out |
| 22:00.42 | nvz | rabies: so? hopefully someone will add three before that happens |
| 22:00.48 | sfullenwider | Hah, torrent d/l mangled some mp3's so badly that pieces of them are in each file (IE. each mp3 is composed of ~15 sec chunks of each of the songs in the torrent) |
| 22:00.57 | rabies | nvz: heh |
| 22:01.12 | nvz | rabies: it seemed like too much trouble to add another loop into someone else's half-arse attempt of shortening that factoid |
| 22:01.27 | Akbar | so it's not normal for a radeon 9600 to behave this way with fglrx? |
| 22:01.31 | rabies | nvz: im sure |
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| 22:01.41 | antgel | toresbe: so, you see, the fact that kde *looks* more similar than gnome is a real plus point for ex-windows users. too much culture shock will create fear. don't worry, i'm not going to use it myself :) |
| 22:01.43 | soymilk | sfullenwider: i had something like that occur once |
| 22:01.44 | nvz | and adding another loop all of 3 ways I thought of, would throw off the probability |
| 22:01.45 | Eulex | Akbar, nope |
| 22:02.00 | nvz | making it less random |
| 22:02.09 | Eulex | Akbar, could you go run something real, like planet penguin racer and see how well it works? |
| 22:02.16 | soymilk | sfullenwider: but for me they were not torrents |
| 22:02.29 | aaronlin_ | Hi. I am looking for a text editor that supports collaboration. It needs to be able to run for both Windows and GNU/Linux computers. And, I am hoping that there is a debian package for it. Can anyone recommend such an editor for me? |
| 22:02.30 | de_mon | sfullenwider thats normal, untill the torrent or a file is finished. |
| 22:02.41 | Buddha| | soymilk - It didn't work for me, either. Sorry. |
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| 22:02.48 | Akbar | (II) fglrx(0): [drm] created "fglrx" driver at busid "PCI:3:0:0" |
| 22:02.48 | Akbar | (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver. |
| 22:02.49 | toresbe | antgel: heh |
| 22:02.51 | de_mon | if its still screwed up, I'd restart the torrent and hope it rearranged eveerything correctly |
| 22:02.56 | Akbar | yeah penguin racer works fine |
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| 22:03.06 | Akbar | but quake3 just sucks at highres |
| 22:03.13 | Eulex | Akbar, you should get over 2000fps in glxgears, but then again, glxgears ain't a benchmark |
| 22:03.28 | antgel | aaronlin_: collaboration in a text editor? not sure what you mean, but openoffice writer perhaps? |
| 22:03.35 | Eulex | Akbar, how many fps at pp-racer? |
| 22:03.43 | aaronlin_ | as in, two people can simultaneously work on a program |
| 22:03.44 | Akbar | mmm |
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| 22:03.56 | sifi | is there some way to output the external interface? |
| 22:04.07 | smcavoy | I just upgraded to a 2.6 kernel on sarge, my lvm partitions aren't mounting now. what module needs to be loaded? |
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| 22:04.13 | Akbar | let me grab it from apt |
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| 22:04.28 | Eulex | aaronlin_, you're not talking about about a text editor, you're talking about cvs/svn |
| 22:04.36 | antgel | aaronlin_: you mean for software development? why not use cvs/svn and let them choose editor? |
| 22:04.39 | gq_gunhed | aaronlin_: I've heard of something called "MateEdit" - but I don't know that app and it's only for Linux |
| 22:04.40 | nvz | Eulex: its a benchmark, its just on a little plastic toy bench with spinner in place of the timer |
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| 22:05.04 | sifi | I need to identify the external interface in a script, ifconfig is not help me very mutch |
| 22:05.08 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: hi! |
| 22:05.15 | fas3r | hello all |
| 22:05.17 | gq_virtualwinner | hi ;-) |
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| 22:05.36 | fas3r | i have a question |
| 22:05.38 | aaronlin_ | hmm |
| 22:05.42 | aaronlin_ | I found MoonEditor |
| 22:05.46 | rabies | fas3r: speak and be heard! |
| 22:05.49 | aaronlin_ | It works very well. Thanks for your time. |
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| 22:06.01 | PiRaNjA | hello to all |
| 22:06.02 | fas3r | what's the command for see who are connect on the server ? |
| 22:06.11 | Akbar | tux goes 80 fps in 800x600 and around 50-60 in 1024 |
| 22:06.13 | PiRaNjA | how can i change the password of mysql using the root user! |
| 22:06.17 | gq_gunhed | fas3r: "who" ? |
| 22:06.18 | antgel | fas3r: who (assuming you mean logged in) |
| 22:06.27 | sifi | fas3r, which server? |
| 22:06.31 | Eulex | Akbar, seems ok, that's about what you should get |
| 22:06.34 | antgel | PiRaNjA: the mysql documentation covers this |
| 22:06.47 | PiRaNjA | where is? |
| 22:06.51 | cleaton_ | Eulex, the error is: unable to find the kernel module nvidia.o |
| 22:06.57 | antgel | PiRaNjA: www.mysql.com |
| 22:07.13 | cleaton_ | or unable to load |
| 22:07.20 | PiRaNjA | ok |
| 22:07.25 | ziupiu | sifi, that one on the same subnet of default gateway? |
| 22:07.25 | PiRaNjA | thnx |
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| 22:07.28 | Akbar | mmmm |
| 22:07.32 | smcavoy | I just upgraded to a 2.6 kernel on sarge, my lvm partitions aren't mounting now. what module needs to be loaded? |
| 22:08.12 | Akbar | I should download a utdemo then.. and test it with ut |
| 22:08.32 | Eulex | nvz, it may be a synthetic benchmark, but then only a very limited one -- primarily measures bandwidth between cpu and gpu -- btw, a measurement of hundreds of fps is virtually useless |
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| 22:09.34 | nvz | you could test it with any game in debian. that flight sim isnt bad for testing or bzflag 2.0 |
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| 22:09.37 | fas3r | if you prefer for see who are connect with user account that i have create before for ftp,smb etc .. |
| 22:10.04 | Eulex | cleaton_, compile it then |
| 22:10.39 | Buddha| | lekvar - have you decided on a text editor yet? |
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| 22:11.13 | gq_gunhed | fas3r: so you want to know what users have accounts on that server - to create e.g. samba-accounts for them? |
| 22:11.53 | rend | would you guys prefer two 20" lcd than 1 24" ? |
| 22:12.08 | Akbar | 24"? |
| 22:12.08 | rabies | rend: i'll take either |
| 22:12.09 | Akbar | :P |
| 22:12.10 | tictac | rend: if they do 1600x1200, then yes. |
| 22:12.15 | rend | 1680 x 1050 |
| 22:12.21 | rabies | rend: but i dunno, depends on the video card |
| 22:12.25 | tictac | eh. that works all the same. yes. |
| 22:12.36 | Akbar | I would take the 24" |
| 22:12.38 | rend | rabies: i can get any wid |
| 22:12.38 | gq_virtualwinner | rend: two are THAT much better than one big |
| 22:12.41 | rabies | rend: if the video card is powerful enough to support both WELL (high res and such) then yeah, i'd take the 20" |
| 22:12.50 | rabies | rend: eh? |
| 22:12.54 | rabies | rend: any "wid" |
| 22:13.00 | rabies | rend: what does that mean exactly? |
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| 22:13.14 | rend | rabies: i can get a new vid card later |
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| 22:13.19 | Eulex | haha, seems like they added an option for a newer glxgear version that's needed to make it show the fps -- -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 22:13.39 | rend | rabies: but my current one can easily power both (i think) |
| 22:13.50 | rabies | rend: just saying you'll probably either need a firegl/quadro card or a high end radeon/geforce card |
| 22:14.05 | refa33s | can anyone recommend dvd burning software? |
| 22:14.16 | tictac | dvdrecord |
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| 22:14.25 | rend | gq_gunhed: thats kinda waht im thinkind... i really need it for dev. right now i have some old blurry 19" and 17" crt |
| 22:14.36 | Akbar | refa33s, dvdrecord, nerolinux, k3b, nautilus-burn |
| 22:14.36 | Eulex | rend, 1680x1050 on 20" or 24" ought to have really big pixels... /me has a 15.4" 1680x1050 monitor |
| 22:14.41 | gq_virtualwinner | can anyone give me a step for step howto for updating the kernel by kernel image? i searched for hours, but with no success |
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| 22:14.44 | rend | rabies: i have a high end geforce now |
| 22:14.53 | rabies | rend: which |
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| 22:15.07 | smcavoy | I have upgraded to sarge from woody without a problem, but when I upgraded the kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 I cannot access my LVM lv's can anyone make a suggestion as to what I should be looking at for this? |
| 22:15.09 | rend | its kinda old now.. hold on |
| 22:15.17 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.xxx" ? |
| 22:15.29 | leleobhz | someone here can help-me to find a kernel image for mipsel? |
| 22:15.32 | refa33s | aptitude search reveals no dvdrecord, nerolinux ? |
| 22:15.45 | leleobhz | i have find this: http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-mipsel/current/images/r4k-kn04/ |
| 22:15.47 | gq_virtualwinner | and what about the entries in bootloader (grub) |
| 22:15.50 | rend | Eulex: but wouldnt that res be hard to read on your box? |
| 22:15.54 | leleobhz | but have just the boot.img |
| 22:15.58 | tictac | err on dual 21" trinitonrs |
| 22:16.01 | de_mon | kingsley_ isn't that a harry potter character? |
| 22:16.07 | Akbar | refa33s, if you're already using kdelibs you should go for k3b.. it's quite easy |
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| 22:16.16 | pygmee | lo |
| 22:16.16 | gq_gunhed | refa33s: k3b dvd+rw-tools |
| 22:16.21 | rend | rabies: geforce4 mmx440 |
| 22:16.23 | tictac | redguy: dvdrtools |
| 22:16.31 | rabies | rend: thats actually a low end card |
| 22:16.35 | tictac | err refa33s |
| 22:16.37 | rend | oh? |
| 22:16.39 | refa33s | Akbar: might try that, but tried it once with a cd burner and made my first coaster |
| 22:16.43 | refa33s | (k3b* |
| 22:16.47 | rabies | rend: the MX series was the budget line of the time, the TI series is the high end one |
| 22:16.50 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: apt automatically adds the new or renewed links to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:17.03 | Eulex | rend, no, not with bigger font settings -- I get really crystal clear text and graphics |
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| 22:17.06 | rabies | rend: most likely it will not support 2 20" or even 1 24" screen all that well |
| 22:17.10 | rend | rabies: maybe it just cost me too much since it had video capture and tv tuner |
| 22:17.16 | cleaton_ | Eulex, what to do about my nvidia.o error? |
| 22:17.21 | staniel | hello |
| 22:17.24 | rabies | rend: maybe |
| 22:17.28 | gq_virtualwinner | so i destroyed the good one several times ;-) |
| 22:17.30 | pygmee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.35 | cleaton_ | seems like other persons have the same problem |
| 22:17.39 | rend | rabies: it works fine with 1 19" and 1 17" |
| 22:17.46 | antgel | pygmee: kill whatever creates it |
| 22:17.48 | staniel | I've got a problem with exim 3... whenever I try to connect to my smtp server it gives me this: exim abandoned: unknown, malformed, or incomplete option -Am |
| 22:18.03 | Tchiak | why on gods name would you be using a mx graphics card? |
| 22:18.03 | rabies | rend: thats 1280x1024, you are going up to 1680x1050, a much higher resolution |
| 22:18.07 | Tchiak | buy a real card |
| 22:18.14 | antgel | staniel: what do you mean "connect" to the server? |
| 22:18.16 | rabies | Tchiak: ... |
| 22:18.18 | Eulex | cleaton_, re-compile the nvidia driver for your new kernel |
| 22:18.20 | rabies | Tchiak: it IS a real card |
| 22:18.34 | Tchiak | no a 6200 is a real card |
| 22:18.38 | Tchiak | a 6600 is a real card |
| 22:18.41 | rabies | Tchiak: ... |
| 22:18.41 | Tchiak | a 6800 is a real card |
| 22:18.44 | Tchiak | an mx is shit |
| 22:18.47 | rabies | Tchiak: go fuck yourself |
| 22:18.48 | refa33s | 7800 plz |
| 22:19.02 | antgel | if there's anything more boring than video card snobbery, i haven't seen it |
| 22:19.03 | rabies | hum... |
| 22:19.08 | rabies | antgel: i hear that... |
| 22:19.10 | rend | rabies: i just mad my 19" 1600x1024 |
| 22:19.17 | rend | rabies: and i dont play games |
| 22:19.25 | rabies | rend: did you make them both that? |
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| 22:19.36 | Tchiak | you only say that rabies cause you know the truth but you won't want to admit you spent 50 bucks for a shitty graphics card |
| 22:19.40 | rend | rabies: the 17 doesnt support that high |
| 22:19.41 | rabies | rend: its the fact that you have having 2 monitors with that that might strain the card |
| 22:19.49 | rabies | Tchiak: wtf is your problem |
| 22:19.53 | lightbright | Tchiak: a no frills card? |
| 22:20.01 | rabies | rend: right, cause the card cant produce that res for 2 monitors |
| 22:20.02 | pygmee | antgel, when i kill it comes back again and again ... it is /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend which is blocking any pat |
| 22:20.05 | Tchiak | i'm a selfhating bastard who was raise on welfare? |
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| 22:20.09 | pygmee | s/pat/apt |
| 22:20.10 | rabies | Tchiak: yes |
| 22:20.18 | rend | rabies and it looks like the card can do 2048x1536 |
| 22:20.24 | rabies | rend: for ONE monitor |
| 22:20.33 | rabies | rend: do you understand what im saying? |
| 22:20.45 | rend | rabies: no. its because the 17" monitor doesnt go that high |
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| 22:20.50 | rabies | >< |
| 22:20.56 | rabies | rend: do whatever you want |
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| 22:21.04 | Tchiak | who uses 17" monitors anymore anyways |
| 22:21.07 | cleaton_ | Eulex could you give me a hint where to find nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 22:21.14 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: you can look for packages with "apt-cache search ..." |
| 22:21.17 | antgel | "ooh, i'm some sort of computer expert because i spent more on hardware than the next guy" |
| 22:21.18 | rend | rabies: i dont care about hthe vid card |
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| 22:21.27 | rend | rabies: boying a new one is not a big deal |
| 22:21.35 | rabies | rend: then why are you aruging with me |
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| 22:21.56 | rend | rabies: what does matter is if its better for dev to have 2 20" widescreens or 1 24" |
| 22:21.57 | Tchiak | no antgel i'm an elitist prick cause i spent more on hardware than anyone |
| 22:22.00 | Tchiak | it's an important difference |
| 22:22.13 | thingfish | *plonk* |
| 22:22.26 | staniel | antgel: yeah, when I go to start a session (using telnet on 25) that is what is says |
| 22:22.35 | thc | Tchiak: what does any of what you are saying right now have to do with Debian. |
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| 22:22.44 | antgel | nearly. i *think* i'm an elitist prick because i spent more on hardware than anyone, but actually i'm not elitist |
| 22:22.58 | Tchiak | debian supports nvidia graphics cards but not tv out natively |
| 22:23.02 | Eulex | cleaton_, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner should do it |
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| 22:23.43 | antgel | staniel: the smtp session says that or the logs? |
| 22:23.51 | staniel | antgel: the session |
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| 22:24.17 | antgel | staniel: how bizarre. did it work before? in any case, exim3 is old, time to upgrade :) |
| 22:24.29 | staniel | antgel: nah, im trying to set it up now |
| 22:24.38 | gq_virtualwinner | what's the abbreviation "smp" standing for in the kernel-image-name? |
| 22:24.50 | Buddha| | symmetric multi-processing |
| 22:24.53 | antgel | !tell gq_virtualwinner about smp |
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| 22:25.24 | nvz | I am trying to figure out what kind of video cards my mobo will support and I have no way of knowing the mfg model as the case is destroyed :P |
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| 22:25.48 | gq_virtualwinner | so it's nothing for my notebook |
| 22:26.06 | soymilk | nvz: isn't the mobo mfg written on the epoxy somewhere? |
| 22:26.08 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: better try the other image - w/o "smp" |
| 22:26.13 | antgel | gq_virtualwinner: not unless your notebook is better than any ever made |
| 22:26.32 | gq_gunhed | antgel: or uses hyperthreading? |
| 22:26.35 | nvz | Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Detected VIA Twister-K/KT133x/KM133 chipset agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 410M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0x90000000 |
| 22:26.48 | nvz | I dont know if that tells me anything.. doesnt seem to |
| 22:26.50 | gq_virtualwinner | when i search for "kernel-image-2.6" i only get packages for my already installed kernel 2.6.8 |
| 22:26.53 | antgel | gq_gunhed: indeed. do any? would have thought would kill the battery |
| 22:26.59 | soymilk | gq_gunhed: if HT is enabled then its an SMP system |
| 22:27.06 | nvz | I dont know much about the different AGP standards |
| 22:27.45 | soymilk | nvz: no model on the mobo? |
| 22:28.00 | gq_gunhed | antgel: never heard of HT notebooks - but it'll surely drain the energy... |
| 22:28.04 | Tchiak | nvz... do you know what AGP speed it supports? 2x, 4x, 8x? |
| 22:28.07 | nvz | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 81 |
| 22:28.14 | soymilk | gq_gunhed: i'm using one :-) |
| 22:28.14 | nvz | is the model of the mobo |
| 22:28.23 | Tchiak | o_O |
| 22:28.24 | groogs | is there a way to make it so pressing ctrl+c at a prompt doesn't close ssh sessions? |
| 22:28.25 | nvz | Tchiak: no thats what I am trying to figure out :P |
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| 22:28.30 | Tchiak | go into bios man |
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| 22:28.33 | gq_virtualwinner | ht notebooks are of course available but i have a p3 |
| 22:28.44 | soymilk | nvz: there you go. check the docs on via's website for that model and the specs... |
| 22:28.48 | gq_virtualwinner | therefore no smp!!! |
| 22:28.52 | Tchiak | all those options should be in bios and if it lets you select 8x bam.. it supports it |
| 22:28.56 | Eulex | gq_virtualwinner, go for the -686 then |
| 22:29.08 | soymilk | nvz: but what you gave me sounds like lspci output not what is written on the board... |
| 22:29.12 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: so why do you need a new kernel? |
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| 22:29.43 | gq_gunhed | soymilk: ok, then congrats ;-) what about your battery? |
| 22:30.13 | gq_virtualwinner | for my linksys wlan - i read thousands of threads on probs with 2.6.8 with this card |
| 22:30.15 | cleaton_ | Eulex, thanks alot for the help |
| 22:30.31 | soymilk | gq_gunhed: never really use it. it will come in handy some day if power is ever interrupted though. this system is a "desktop replacement" anyhow, not really intended for sitting in cafes |
| 22:30.35 | Eulex | cleaton_, yw :) |
| 22:30.39 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: ok, what debian version are you using? stable or testing? |
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| 22:30.51 | gq_virtualwinner | testing |
| 22:30.57 | gq_gunhed | soymilk: ah ok. |
| 22:30.59 | cleaton_ | made the commands until the kernel was compiled and then the nvidia-installer |
| 22:31.00 | nvz | soymilk: I dont think it matters, I think this is it http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/legacy/kn133/ |
| 22:31.03 | gq_virtualwinner | but i only get 2.6.8s |
| 22:31.11 | cleaton_ | runs fine for the moment ;) |
| 22:31.16 | Eulex | gq_virtualwinner, should be able to get at least a 2.6.11 then |
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| 22:31.32 | rabies | rend: i would prefer 2 screens, its all preference! |
| 22:31.38 | rend | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.40 | rabies | PREFERENCE! |
| 22:31.45 | soymilk | nvz: AFAIK if you get an agp 4x card it will be backward-compatible with 2x and 1x |
| 22:31.45 | gq_virtualwinner | 2.4s but no other 2.6 |
| 22:31.49 | rend | rabies: i just purchased 2 |
| 22:31.58 | rabies | rend: 20 inches or 24 inch? |
| 22:31.59 | Eulex | gq_virtualwinner, yep, 2.6.12 is in testing |
| 22:32.01 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: apt-get update , then check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:32.04 | gq_virtualwinner | do i have to add a special source? |
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| 22:32.12 | Eulex | gq_virtualwinner, no. |
| 22:32.17 | antgel | rend: did we say 2? we meant get the 1 24" ;) |
| 22:32.18 | rend | rabies: 20" |
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| 22:32.28 | rabies | rend: big screens |
| 22:32.30 | jhaig | How can I add a local directory to apt's sources? |
| 22:32.33 | gq_virtualwinner | i already updated source |
| 22:32.37 | antgel | what's with all the gq_ /nicks? |
| 22:32.39 | blondie | what's all these inches |
| 22:32.40 | rabies | !tell jhaig about apt |
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| 22:32.50 | nvz | soymilk: the GeForce 5200FX Ultra I had played all the games in debian well. |
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| 22:33.08 | gq_gunhed | gq_ stands for "www.gamesquare.de" it's abbreviation for our clan tag [GQ] |
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| 22:33.10 | blondie | mmm soymilk |
| 22:33.13 | rabies | jhaig: the link is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 22:33.25 | rabies | dpkg, apt is also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 22:33.25 | dpkg | rabies: okay |
| 22:33.27 | antgel | that's .de efficiency for you :) |
| 22:33.44 | soymilk | mmm blondie :-) |
| 22:33.46 | gq_gunhed | *ggg* |
| 22:33.49 | nvz | soymilk: I'd probably be going for something in that range.. that could get by playing decent video, playing bzflag and other games in debian at a reasonable rate.. and maybe get a tv tuner or something like that.. as they are usually just as cheap with as without |
| 22:34.01 | blondie | soymilk: are you sweetened with apple juice? :) |
| 22:34.12 | rabies | blondie: blondies are tasty |
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| 22:34.18 | blondie | o.o |
| 22:34.22 | blondie | good |
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| 22:34.29 | rabies | blondie: makes me hungry |
| 22:34.31 | soymilk | blondie: i'm vanilla organic unsweetened |
| 22:34.35 | blondie | hmm |
| 22:34.47 | jhaig | rabies: Thanks for the links - it looks like I have the answer there. Unfortunately, /msg dpkg doesn't give much information (I had tried that already) |
| 22:34.50 | debianNOOB | can someone tell me how i can partition a ntfs drive into a ext3? |
| 22:34.56 | rabies | jhaig: i just updated it |
| 22:35.00 | nvz | actually its the KM133 but that still seems to only support 4x AGP |
| 22:35.06 | rabies | debianNOOB: w/o losing data theres no way |
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| 22:35.18 | antgel | debianNOOB: too vague. do you want to hose the ntfs or resize it? |
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| 22:35.47 | jhaig | rabies: So I see. |
| 22:35.50 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: what source are you using in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:35.51 | rabies | jhaig: yup yup... |
| 22:35.56 | soymilk | nvz: the most advanced desktop GPU i ever owned wat a 16MB ati agp 2x |
| 22:36.04 | debianNOOB | i have allready made backup of the drives so i jsut want to partition it |
| 22:36.05 | soymilk | was even |
| 22:36.05 | rabies | soymilk: man thats advanced |
| 22:36.12 | rabies | !tell debianNOOB about parted |
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| 22:36.20 | _andrej_ | hi |
| 22:36.25 | debianNOOB | gparted? |
| 22:36.31 | nvz | soymilk: I dont think an 8x card like the 5200 or better would even work in this shitty compaq |
| 22:36.33 | rabies | debianNOOB: sure |
| 22:36.55 | gq_gunhed | gq_virtualwinner: especially the "testing" line |
| 22:36.55 | _andrej_ | anyone :) : i got an adaptec 2410sa sata raid card, will sarge install on it? |
| 22:37.02 | rabies | all praise shitty comps! |
| 22:37.08 | debianNOOB | the thing is that i cant find it :P |
| 22:37.17 | nvz | soymilk: some of the ones I see say 4x/8x though so I guess they will work |
| 22:37.19 | _andrej_ | i couldn't find a sure answer with google |
| 22:37.20 | rabies | debianNOOB: use the original parted then |
| 22:37.20 | debianNOOB | i used aptitude install gparted |
| 22:37.21 | soymilk | rabies: now my laptop has a 128MB nvidia |
| 22:37.29 | rabies | soymilk: grats |
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| 22:37.44 | soymilk | nvz: maybe they're not compatible though - i'm not sure |
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| 22:38.01 | debianNOOB | rabies: where do i find gparted or parted? |
| 22:38.03 | soymilk | rabies: yeah, but in order for hibernation to work, i have to use the non-glx driver |
| 22:38.12 | rabies | debianNOOB: parted should be in apt |
| 22:38.25 | rabies | soymilk: yeah...thats pretty much true of all graphics cards |
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| 22:38.28 | antgel | debianNOOB: parted is in debian. the debian installer can resize your ntfs partition if you haven't installed yet |
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| 22:39.05 | debianNOOB | in apt? |
| 22:39.10 | debianNOOB | where is that? :) |
| 22:39.25 | debianNOOB | sorry but i truly am a < debian noob > |
| 22:39.32 | antgel | !tell debianNOOB about grounding |
| 22:39.39 | soymilk | debianNOOB: do your homework first. read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 22:39.42 | rabies | !tell debianNOOB about apt |
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| 22:39.54 | BladeRunner05 | wich is the right syntax to allow find to retrieve and delete all fileds older than 30 days ? |
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| 22:40.05 | rabies | !tell BladeRunner05 about find |
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| 22:40.18 | rabies | hum... |
| 22:40.21 | rabies | BladeRunner05: well its find, lol |
| 22:40.29 | debianNOOB | oki, thanks |
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| 22:40.53 | philbo | how does /dev/ directory work these days? Did anything significant change there recently? I've upgraded a lot of stuff and now there are very few things in /dev, not even /dev/dsp. I've copied it in from /dev/.static but I'm assuming I'm missing something here |
| 22:40.58 | BladeRunner05 | rabies: do u know ? |
| 22:41.03 | antgel | philbo: you installed udev |
| 22:41.13 | rabies | BladeRunner05: i know the tool, not the syntax |
| 22:41.16 | rabies | oohh |
| 22:41.21 | rabies | nvm, you knew that already, l,ol |
| 22:41.24 | BladeRunner05 | I need the syntax |
| 22:41.28 | refa33s | BladeRunner05: check the manpage for exactly what definition of "older than 30 days" you want. created? modified? |
| 22:41.28 | rabies | BladeRunner05: sorry, i dont know the syntax |
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| 22:41.29 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: man find, look for "mtime" or "atime" |
| 22:41.49 | philbo | antgel: could you point me to something that would describe the ramifications of this act? |
| 22:42.03 | BladeRunner05 | gq_*: I do that using -mtime and -atime but no result for find |
| 22:42.04 | antgel | !tell philbo about udev |
| 22:42.27 | gq_virtualwinner | what about the linux-image.... packages? |
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| 22:43.09 | refa33s | BladeRunner05: what command are you running? |
| 22:43.18 | BladeRunner05 | find |
| 22:43.19 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: are there file to "find" with your parameters? e.g. check with "ls -l" |
| 22:43.21 | antgel | philbo: not the best factoid. aptitude show udev. look in /usr/share/doc/udev |
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| 22:43.27 | gq_gunhed | s/file/files |
| 22:43.28 | refa33s | BladeRunner05: no, with what arguments |
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| 22:43.42 | BladeRunner05 | -mtime 30 means 30 days ago |
| 22:43.53 | _andrej_ | hm |
| 22:43.53 | refa33s | true |
| 22:44.03 | refa33s | so what is the problem |
| 22:44.17 | _andrej_ | is aacraid kernel module in the stock debian kernel? |
| 22:44.29 | XS4-6096 | i want to install rar; what should i change in sources list? |
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| 22:44.40 | antgel | XS4-6096: add non-free |
| 22:44.49 | XS4-6096 | thx |
| 22:45.02 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: try "find -mtime +30" |
| 22:45.08 | refa33s | BladeRunner05: ah you want to delete the files too right |
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| 22:45.16 | dererk | Hi all! |
| 22:45.18 | BladeRunner05 | yes |
| 22:45.34 | refa33s | BladeRunner05: have you tried -exec |
| 22:45.38 | dererk | I would like to know if Iproute2 is on debian as iproute? |
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| 22:45.49 | _andrej_ | dererk: it's the default |
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| 22:45.56 | rend | rabies: so what is an inexpensive vid card do you recommend for driving the two monitors? |
| 22:46.00 | philbo | antgel: hrm. I see. So, was that a bad idea? Is udev pretty stable? |
| 22:46.05 | dererk | _andrej_, what you mean the default? |
| 22:46.22 | antgel | philbo: it's stable enough to be in debian stable. it's generally a Good Thing |
| 22:46.24 | rabies | rend: i dunno, do some research |
| 22:46.25 | _andrej_ | dererk: iproute2 is included |
| 22:46.33 | rabies | rend: check out tom's hardware and google and such |
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| 22:46.47 | philbo | antgel: k. thanks |
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| 22:46.54 | _andrej_ | : |
| 22:46.56 | dererk | _andrej_, but I can't find any binary |
| 22:47.09 | rabies | rend: wikipedia helps too |
| 22:47.09 | _andrej_ | apt-get install iproute |
| 22:47.36 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: what results do you get with the "+30" parameter? |
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| 22:47.54 | jhaig | Significant day for me - I have sucessfully backported a package from etch to sarge *and* it (appears to) work properly. OK, so it's not that big really, but simple things please simple minds. ;-) |
| 22:47.57 | _andrej_ | so noone installed sarge on a raid card here?:) |
| 22:48.11 | dererk | _andrej_, yes, thats why I ask if Iproute2 was "iproute" in debian... |
| 22:48.11 | BladeRunner05 | gq_*: works I do that without + sign |
| 22:48.13 | rend | ok. im outta here |
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| 22:48.22 | BladeRunner05 | gq_*:tnx |
| 22:48.27 | _andrej_ | dererk: afaik it is |
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| 22:48.42 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: *g* |
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| 22:49.15 | _andrej_ | er, anyone knows where i can check what modules included |
| 22:49.20 | _andrej_ | in the debian stock kernel? |
| 22:49.23 | dererk | _andrej_, so I installed iproute instead of iproute2, it's the same, right? |
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| 22:49.32 | _andrej_ | dererk: imho yes |
| 22:49.50 | dererk | _andrej_, ?=¬)™ |
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| 22:49.58 | dererk | _andrej_, Thanks dude |
| 22:49.59 | _andrej_ | dererk: you what? |
| 22:50.01 | _andrej_ | :) |
| 22:50.03 | _andrej_ | ok |
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| 22:50.15 | _andrej_ | i got some wierd chars :) |
| 22:50.39 | antgel | _andrej_: in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
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| 22:50.46 | dererk | _andrej_, I get it, sorry, but its registered as this " ?=¬) " |
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| 22:51.18 | _andrej_ | ok |
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| 22:51.28 | _andrej_ | antgel: thx |
| 22:51.31 | BladeRunner05 | find . -mtime + 30 return all files older than 30 days and to delete it ? |
| 22:51.38 | antgel | !tell _andrej_ about thx |
| 22:51.40 | gq_virtualwinner | there is a "linux-image-2.6.12-1-686" <- i'll try that one |
| 22:51.44 | philbo | did the kernel package naming change? in testing, udev says it requires 2.6.12 but all I can see is kernel-image-2.6.8? Or is udev just unuseable on testing? |
| 22:52.02 | antgel | philbo: linux-image* |
| 22:52.06 | gq_gunhed | find . -mtime +30 | xargs rm |
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| 22:52.21 | philbo | antgel: ah. Thank you. |
| 22:52.43 | BladeRunner05 | gq_*: what is xargs ? |
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| 22:53.01 | gq_virtualwinner | try "apt-cache search linux-image" |
| 22:53.02 | dererk | _andrej_, Thanks again and bye now! Have a nice day! |
| 22:53.04 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: you need xargs when you get an error "to many files..." |
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| 22:53.29 | _andrej_ | antgel: :) thx for priv, but i was checking :) and aacraid is there, thank yo very much |
| 22:53.40 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: e.g. "mv * .. -> too many files" then you can do that by "ls -1 | xargs mv --target-directory.." |
| 22:53.44 | warreng | anybody know what command i could use to change all occurences of "old_passwords = 1" to "#old_passwords = 1" in a file? |
| 22:53.52 | warreng | would sed do that? |
| 22:53.58 | ajkroll | yes |
| 22:53.59 | gq_gunhed | BladeRunner05: man xargs - it's handy tool when working with lots of files |
| 22:54.09 | _andrej_ | warreng: it's a mysql queston, isn't it? |
| 22:54.24 | warreng | yes but no |
| 22:54.27 | warreng | it's a general question |
| 22:54.27 | ajkroll | sed "s/old_passwords = 1/\#old_passwords = 1/g" |
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| 22:54.42 | refa33s | BladeRunner05: find . -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 22:55.02 | refa33s | don't bother with xargs when find can do what you want |
| 22:55.04 | warreng | ajkroll: do i pass sed the file as a param? or do i: cat file | sed "s/old_passwords = 1/\#old_passwords = 1/g" > file ? |
| 22:55.17 | ajkroll | cat it |
| 22:55.18 | gq_gunhed | refa33s: ok, another way to do it ;-) |
| 22:55.28 | refa33s | ;) |
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| 22:56.01 | _andrej_ | thxagain |
| 22:56.02 | _andrej_ | byez |
| 22:56.35 | gq_gunhed | warreng: sed -e 's/.../' [filename] - no "cat" needed |
| 22:56.57 | ajkroll | warreng: what you want, more specificly is this |
| 22:56.58 | gq_gunhed | warreng: sorry - input or output-file? |
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| 22:57.33 | warreng | ah cool |
| 22:57.36 | ajkroll | cat file | sed "s/#old_passwords/\#old_passwords/g" - > newfile |
| 22:57.56 | gq_gunhed | warreng: sed -i makes the changes "inplace", which means changes directly in your file, but dangerous ;-) |
| 22:58.30 | ajkroll | that is why I suggested to cat |
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| 22:59.17 | gq_gunhed | ajkroll: ok, there are many ways to work with sed - and a strong habit to "cat" everything ;-) |
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| 22:59.20 | warreng | dangerous how? |
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| 22:59.40 | gq_gunhed | ajkroll: I tend to use "cat" too, even if not needed :) |
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| 23:00.04 | blondie | I like cats |
| 23:00.05 | devsforev | Good evening everyone... I just finished installing debain from the net-install CD. I was wondering how I make sure that I am retrieving the 'etch' release packages and not the stable tree. Thanks a lot! |
| 23:00.22 | cormorano | hi |
| 23:01.05 | gq_gunhed | devsforev: maybe check your /etc/apt/sources.lsit for a line like this: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 23:01.12 | Eulex | devsforev, apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 23:01.22 | lightbright | devsforev: if you are asking that, then you shouldnt |
| 23:01.38 | Eulex | lightbright, true |
| 23:01.43 | lightbright | Eulex: :) |
| 23:01.53 | gq_gunhed | devsforev: then do "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" - but as lightbright said.... |
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| 23:02.01 | Eulex | devsforev, you should install sarge and then dist-upgrade to testing |
| 23:02.07 | gq_gunhed | devsforev: maybe try and stay with the "stable/sarge" |
| 23:02.39 | devsforev | Thanks guys.... I just came back from debian after dipping into Gentoo for two years.... I am setting up a server... I know what i'm doing for the most part |
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| 23:02.50 | antgel | !wb devsforev |
| 23:02.54 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! devsforev has returned! |
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| 23:03.32 | gq_gunhed | devsforev: *g* |
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| 23:03.48 | Ronin | this bites, cant find that socket a cpu i had before the move |
| 23:03.51 | mymayer | iam trying to do a : xhost +localhost, but it errors with : connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:03.53 | devsforev | you think that stable would be better for a server platform? |
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| 23:04.16 | Ronin | devsforev: yes |
| 23:04.24 | devsforev | thanks all |
| 23:04.30 | gq_gunhed | devsforev: that's why it is called "stable" ;-) IMO |
| 23:04.31 | Ronin | although mine is testing however im the only user so its not critical |
| 23:04.59 | gq_virtualwinner | ah i know why my system was messed up after installation of a new kernel image -> i had lilo as bootloader! |
| 23:05.08 | Eulex | mymayer, why are you doing that? anyway, that seems strange |
| 23:05.13 | gq_virtualwinner | now it's working with grub ;-) |
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| 23:06.09 | mymayer | Eulex: i got the error. Iam trying to install xfce, and there the installer needs that. but you cannout allow a xhost connection as root, when the xserver runs as a other user |
| 23:06.56 | mymayer | which is the best/fastes way to mount a partition of my debian server? NFS or smb or smth other? This mount should be like a "real" partition on my desktop machine.. |
| 23:08.02 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: I would use NFS export, but depends on the environment |
| 23:08.52 | Eulex | mymayer, why not apt-get it? anyway, you could just run the packages with sudo instead of messing with xhost... |
| 23:09.06 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: desktop is an kubuntu system, server is a debian system. The data is data which i use any session with the desktop machine |
| 23:09.21 | mymayer | Eulex: kubuntu doesnt have it as package |
| 23:09.30 | mymayer | Eulex: dont ask me why |
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| 23:09.48 | Eulex | mymayer, that sounds like a really stupid distro then, and btw... |
| 23:10.04 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 23:10.04 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 23:10.11 | Eulex | !kubuntu |
| 23:10.11 | dpkg | somebody said kubuntu was ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu |
| 23:10.21 | mymayer | Eulex: calm down.. |
| 23:10.27 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: then I would mount it with NFS |
| 23:10.31 | mymayer | iam haveing 2 debain systems |
| 23:10.37 | mymayer | so relaxe, thank you |
| 23:10.38 | refa33s | debain? |
| 23:10.45 | thc | !debain |
| 23:10.46 | mymayer | kids.. |
| 23:10.46 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:10.47 | refa33s | !debain |
| 23:10.56 | thc | refa33s: beat ya |
| 23:11.04 | thc | !deiban |
| 23:11.05 | dpkg | somebody said deiban was the japanese version of debian, tastes good with sake |
| 23:11.05 | refa33s | thc always beats me |
| 23:11.46 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: i first set up a smb server on it, as i used windows before as desktop OS. do i have to stop smb service at all, or can NFS work paralell ? |
| 23:11.58 | Eulex | mymayer, you should go and get support for kubuntu on the #Kubuntu. specifically ask why they don't provide sudo. come back when it's time to set up something on your debian machine |
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| 23:12.20 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: can work parallel - no probs. using this setup here at home |
| 23:12.26 | mymayer | Eulex: thats why iam here so just relaxe kid |
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| 23:12.47 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: so iam on NFS docs. thank you very much |
| 23:12.54 | gq_gunhed | Eulex: (k)ubuntu uses _almost only_ sudo - you normally even don't have the root passwd ;-) |
| 23:13.06 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: no problem :-) |
| 23:13.07 | antgel | kubuntu does have sudo |
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| 23:13.16 | mymayer | kubuntu has sudo |
| 23:13.17 | mymayer | ofc |
| 23:13.30 | mymayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.41 | mymayer | action paranoid or something |
| 23:13.47 | mymayer | action = acting |
| 23:13.49 | Eulex | mymayer, *sigh* |
| 23:14.06 | mymayer | Eulex: really , i dont get your point. |
| 23:14.10 | gq_gunhed | hey guys - don't be silly, ok? this is a technical channel, isn't it? |
| 23:14.21 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: exactly, sorry |
| 23:14.25 | gq_gunhed | :-) |
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| 23:15.06 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: how to start an wdm, eg xfce on a other display with the startx syntax |
| 23:15.21 | gq_virtualwinner | gq_sir, yes sir! ;-) |
| 23:15.44 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: mom |
| 23:15.50 | Eulex | mymayer, this is #debian. this is not #kubuntu. that's my point. btw, as it has sudo, why not just run the installer with sudo? |
| 23:16.19 | mymayer | Eulex: -ignore- |
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| 23:18.06 | mymayer | just for your information Eulex , this happend 10 minutes ago : sudo /home/dl/xfce4-4.2.1.1-installer.bin |
| 23:18.24 | mymayer | but as i cannot read you anymore, i wish you a nice evening |
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| 23:19.19 | jjazz | I have a MS reader file in .lit format. How do I turn it into something readable? Thans. |
| 23:19.20 | Eulex | ...and thank you for your misinformations... |
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| 23:20.57 | gq_gunhed | oops, never experiment with your X-sessions when online... |
| 23:21.26 | crash3m_ | hehe |
| 23:21.29 | POVaddct | gq_gunhed: or use irssi in screen :) |
| 23:21.36 | sbk` | folks -- a bit confused about xdmcp. The problem I'd like to solve is: from machine B (running xdm) I'd like to enable a host list (by doing a broadcast.) I've turned on the CHOOSER BROADCAST in Xaccess, and commented out the listner port in xdm.options. However, I don't see a list of hosts in the xdm chooser. What did I miss? |
| 23:21.37 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: it was something like "startx $(which [startname]" |
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| 23:22.22 | gq_gunhed | POVaddct: yes of course - but this "screen" thingie is one of the things I haven't tried yet |
| 23:22.28 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: i tried to export DISPLAY, didnt worked. Which would be the xinit syntax ? |
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| 23:23.09 | POVaddct | gq_gunhed: i used to ignore screen for years. now i can't live without it. |
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| 23:23.20 | gq_gunhed | POVaddct: and I haven'T figured out that man page... do you have any good docu for it? |
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| 23:23.53 | POVaddct | gq_gunhed: wir koennen das auch auf deutsch regeln, nur geht hier leider kein query |
| 23:24.13 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: sorry, I'm no expert in these X-things maybe someone other can help you... |
| 23:24.16 | rui_m | anyone having problems with k3b, the recorder is detected, I start the recording but nothing happens :-\? (i'm using kernel 2.6.13, kde 3.4.2) |
| 23:24.53 | gq_gunhed | POVaddct: howto make these private irc-sessions in a channel? |
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| 23:25.28 | mymayer | gq_gunhed: big help anyway |
| 23:25.29 | POVaddct | gq_gunhed: /join #screenhelp |
| 23:25.29 | gq_virtualwinner | double click on the nick |
| 23:25.33 | antgel | POVaddct: english please |
| 23:25.41 | POVaddct | antgel: sorry |
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| 23:25.47 | mymayer | sudo /home/dl/xfce4-4.2.1.1-installer.bin |
| 23:25.47 | thc | rui_m: try using cdrecord in a terminal, you might actually see what is happening |
| 23:25.50 | mymayer | sorry |
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| 23:26.03 | gq_gunhed | mymayer: no prob |
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| 23:28.21 | philbo | This udev thing doesn't seem to be working out for me. All devices are created fine and all drivers loaded, except for mouse stuff. It doesn't load 'usbmouse' and 'mousedev'. Anyone has any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 23:29.02 | antgel | philbo: it's not udev's job to load modules. it's udev's job to populate /dev appropriately based on the kernel and modules loaded |
| 23:29.04 | gq_virtualwinner | have u installled hotplug service? |
| 23:29.20 | antgel | !tell gq_virtualwinner about u |
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| 23:29.48 | gq_virtualwinner | ? |
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| 23:30.15 | philbo | antgel: but I thought the idea was that the kernel would discover all devices (including the stuff attached to usb) generate hotplug events and udev would load the modules and create the devices |
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| 23:30.36 | philbo | gq_virtualwinner: isn't hotplug replaced by udev? |
| 23:30.36 | antgel | philbo: no. udev doesn't load modules. |
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| 23:31.22 | philbo | antgel: but something surely does. My /etc/modules is empty yet sound works |
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| 23:31.32 | antgel | philbo: that might be hotplug |
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| 23:31.41 | gq_virtualwinner | i had the same prob and installing hotplug fixed the prob |
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| 23:32.03 | gq_virtualwinner | try "apt-get install hotplug" |
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| 23:32.17 | philbo | gq_virtualwinner: I'll give that a try |
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| 23:32.52 | philbo | gq_virtualwinner: though it seems weird to me that other modules are loaded just fine, except for mouse |
| 23:33.07 | antgel | philbo: hotplug is probably installed |
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| 23:33.35 | antgel | philbo: udev depends on hotplug in debian |
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| 23:33.45 | philbo | antgel: actually, it wasn't. pretty strange. |
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| 23:34.17 | gq_virtualwinner | philbo: is the prob fixed? |
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| 23:35.23 | antgel | hmm was there a netsplit? |
| 23:35.33 | crash3m_ | nope |
| 23:35.36 | Ronin | nope |
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| 23:36.06 | antgel | just wondered why philbo vanished |
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| 23:36.13 | rui_m | thc: i'm getting this error with cdrecord "Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?" but cdrecord have suid root |
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| 23:37.09 | thc | rui_m: i've never encountered that error myself, maybe someone else in here has. |
| 23:37.16 | thc | at least you know why k3b wasn't working |
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| 23:37.32 | Ronin | damn it,furnace just kicked in again tongiht, does it not know the cost of heating oil now a days |
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| 23:39.42 | sbk` | How can I reconfigure the keyboard the 'debian way' ? I vaguely recall some sort of dpkg --reconfigure or someting like that |
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| 23:40.45 | azat | anyone know where i can get a debian decal to replace the windows logo on my keyboard? |
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| 23:41.21 | thc | sbk`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or console-data depending on what you mean exactly) |
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| 23:41.36 | sbk` | thc: thanks -- yep, meant it on the console |
| 23:41.41 | streuner | !keymap |
| 23:41.41 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 23:41.53 | thc | !beer streuner |
| 23:42.02 | streuner | thanks :-) |
| 23:42.03 | aphax- | how many cd do i need with debian |
| 23:42.13 | thc | aphax-: if you have a network, 1 |
| 23:42.34 | aphax- | noope i dont have a network i want to download the iso cds |
| 23:43.02 | streuner | aphax-: just use torrent |
| 23:43.05 | selfish | any ideas why 'modprobe tun' would be unable to find /dev/net/tun that I just added, even with CONFIG_TUN=m |
| 23:43.11 | sbk` | streuner: great -- thanks |
| 23:43.39 | aphax- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 23:43.57 | aphax- | ok do i only need binary1 |
| 23:44.05 | psychonate | hmm, "cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c" |
| 23:44.17 | streuner | psychonate: ignore that |
| 23:44.23 | psychonate | well, that's interesting; I'm on Debian testing, plus inofficial is not a word AFAIK ;) |
| 23:44.42 | psychonate | streuner, yeah, I just got a kick out of it heh |
| 23:44.59 | azat | can the debian install detect a wireless network for a dhcp? |
| 23:45.18 | Eulex | azat, of course |
| 23:45.25 | karsten | aphax-: 1 |
| 23:45.27 | azat | hrm, i'm having a hard time getting it to... |
| 23:45.33 | aphax- | thanks karsten |
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| 23:45.40 | azat | it may be a signal problem though |
| 23:45.41 | aphax- | does it contain everything i need |
| 23:45.46 | aphax- | to fully install debian |
| 23:45.48 | gq_virtualwinner | aphax: if you have flatrate try businesscard image for installation |
| 23:45.51 | Eulex | azat, are you using the net-installer? |
| 23:45.51 | aphax- | like xserver |
| 23:45.52 | karsten | azat: You probably want to refer to the installation m anual. |
| 23:46.00 | azat | no, i have the sarge dvds here |
| 23:46.01 | karsten | aphax-: ... ^^ for azat as well. |
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| 23:46.47 | Eulex | azat, what network card? btw, as karsten said |
| 23:46.51 | karsten | aphax-: Debian install CDs contain packages ordered by popularity. Disk 1 is all that's _required_ for an install. There are other install options (eg: network install aka netinst) which have even sparser requirements. |
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| 23:47.18 | karsten | aphax-: Once you've installed Debian, adding packages and updating over the 'Net are trivial, assuming you've got a good Internet connection. |
| 23:47.20 | azat | oh, netgear, uh... wg311v2 |
| 23:47.49 | aphax- | so its like the freebsd ports |
| 23:48.07 | gq_virtualwinner | i always install debian via business card iso |
| 23:48.25 | thc | gq_virtualwinner: not all cd/dvd roms will read a business card sized image |
| 23:48.37 | Ronin | aphax-: apt-get install and away you go |
| 23:48.44 | gq_virtualwinner | you can then be sure to have the all new versions |
| 23:48.44 | gq_gunhed | cu! |
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| 23:50.15 | karsten | Any handy way of going from ldd's "these are the libs you're using" to "here's te hassociated files"? |
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| 23:50.43 | karsten | I'm trying to build up a debug / forensics initrd, need to get appropriate library support. |
| 23:50.54 | gq_virtualwinner | is it the format of data why they cannot read the cd or do you mean the physical size |
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| 23:52.32 | streuner | gq_virtualwinner: den Satz versteht kein Schwein (nobody unsterstand this sentence) |
| 23:52.37 | blindboygrunt | hello all, i have configured my soundcard and added myself to the audio group but i still can only get sound as root, what have i missed? |
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| 23:52.59 | streuner | s/unsterstand/unterstand/ |
| 23:53.09 | gq_virtualwinner | don't care |
| 23:53.15 | valdyn_ | blindboygrunt: you have logged out and back in? |
| 23:53.27 | blindboygrunt | valdyn_: yeah - i have |
| 23:53.27 | Eulex | azat, that card uses the texas instruments acx111 chipset, which currently ain't supported by a vanilla kernel. it needs special drivers from acx111.sf.net or ndiswrapper. therefore it will be impossible to connect to the internet before installation is complete and you have setup one of those drivers |
| 23:53.32 | streuner | gq_virtualwinner: just 'rephrase' it |
| 23:53.53 | blindboygrunt | well - actually not since the adding to the audio group |
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| 23:54.00 | Eulex | azat, also, you did the right thing getting the dvds and not just a netinstall/business card |
| 23:54.16 | blindboygrunt | valdyn_: i'll try that now... |
| 23:54.28 | azat | doh |
| 23:54.34 | gq_virtualwinner | streuner: it doesn't matter at all |
| 23:54.38 | azat | oh well =) yea, the dvds are nice! |
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| 23:54.58 | azat | i can give it a wired connect, but not until monday... |
| 23:55.01 | gq_virtualwinner | I'm leaving now too - cu guys |
| 23:55.04 | streuner | gq_virtualwinner: well, i don't unterstand why you ask it then ... ;-) |
| 23:55.10 | Eulex | azat, btw, http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
| 23:55.56 | Eulex | azat, if you've got windows on another partition, download the needed files in windows, then transfer them to linux in linux and install it |
| 23:56.08 | thingfish | you know, "cu" means "asshole" in portuguese. |
| 23:56.17 | azat | awesome! |
| 23:56.20 | valdyn_ | !cu |
| 23:56.20 | dpkg | well, cu is short for "see you", or does not r0x0rz, or "call unix", the uucp modem-dialing program. Cuba A ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant iamagnetic metallic element; occurs in various minerals ut is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses. Atomic number 29. |
| 23:56.21 | thingfish | too late. |
| 23:56.23 | azat | about the link |
| 23:56.29 | blindboygrunt | valdyn_: that worked a treat - thank you! |
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| 23:57.08 | thingfish | dpkg: cu is also portuguese for "asshole" |
| 23:57.08 | dpkg | okay, thingfish |
| 23:58.02 | azat | here's an off-topic question, does anyone know a linux alternative to windows' EAC? |
| 23:58.02 | thc | thingfish: you just wiped the original factoid (i think) |
| 23:58.02 | thc | you didn't use <reply> |
| 23:58.02 | thc | !cu |
| 23:58.02 | dpkg | [cu] short for "see you", or does not r0x0rz, or "call unix", the uucp modem-dialing program. Cuba A ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant iamagnetic metallic element; occurs in various minerals ut is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses. Atomic number 29. portuguese for "asshole" |
| 23:58.02 | Ronin | heh |
| 23:58.02 | thc | Never mind. |
| 23:58.02 | Eulex | azat, one of the pages stating that your card had a acx111 was this one: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/381367 |
| 23:58.02 | karsten | azat: WTF is EAC? |
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| 23:58.05 | azat | exactaudiocopy |
| 23:58.11 | Ronin | east austrilain current? |
| 23:58.11 | thingfish | !cu |
| 23:58.13 | dpkg | hmm... cu is short for "see you", or does not r0x0rz, or "call unix", the uucp modem-dialing program. Cuba A ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant iamagnetic metallic element; occurs in various minerals ut is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses. Atomic number 29. portuguese for "asshole" |
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| 23:58.16 | karsten | azat: What's it do? |
| 23:58.23 | azat | ah, lots of great info about my wireless card :) |
| 23:58.28 | antgel | !pmount |
| 23:58.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:58.33 | Tortel2 | how can I list all running processes and kill one in the command line? |
| 23:58.35 | thc | weird how it only added part of what you said |
| 23:58.41 | sward | thingfish: 23:57 < thc> !cu ? |
| 23:58.44 | Tortel2 | doom 3 demo froze |
| 23:58.52 | azat | it reads a cd secotr-by-sector, producing as accurate as possible rips of audio cds, I use it w/ my ipod :P |
| 23:58.59 | azat | secotr=sector |
| 23:59.02 | streuner | azat: there are serveral rippers for linux, ripperx, grip, abcde... |
| 23:59.02 | karsten | azat: cdparanoia. |
| 23:59.06 | valdyn_ | Tortel2: ps aux |
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| 23:59.19 | zcram | azat: grip |
| 23:59.22 | psychonate | grip is fantastic |
| 23:59.24 | azat | i heard that cdparanoia doesn't produce accurate results because of drive-caching issues |
| 23:59.25 | psychonate | I also recommend it |
| 23:59.26 | karsten | azat: aptitude install grip, it's part of the standard set of deps. |
| 23:59.39 | azat | grip is good? is there a website? |
| 23:59.42 | karsten | azat: Listen. Tell us, blind, if you can reliably distinguish results. |
| 23:59.47 | Tortel2 | yay, thankyou |
| 23:59.49 | psychonate | grip with cdparanoia and vorbis = divine |
| 23:59.54 | thingfish | no, thc, it got it all I think, I just forgot to capitalize the P and left off the period at the end. |
| 23:59.55 | karsten | azat: http://packages.debian.org/grip |
