| 00:00.06 | thc | yeah i just realized that heh |
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| 00:00.09 | azat | yes i can, i have several cds which produce lots of pops and click w/ say, cdex but eac manages to produce click-free copies |
| 00:00.23 | zcram | paranoia has quite a few options |
| 00:00.47 | POVaddct | cdparanoia never produced clicks here |
| 00:00.56 | psychonate | well, grip can use cdparanoia, cdda2wav, or other rippers |
| 00:00.58 | psychonate | AFAIK |
| 00:01.05 | psychonate | it also gives you a choice of several encoders |
| 00:01.13 | psychonate | so, it's pretty much a frontend I guess |
| 00:01.17 | psychonate | but a very nice one |
| 00:01.20 | POVaddct | it is |
| 00:01.37 | azat | awesome, getting now |
| 00:01.43 | psychonate | yeah, everbody likes grip :) |
| 00:01.48 | karsten | psychonate: Indeed, front end to a bunch of cmdline tools, does a good jobs. |
| 00:01.49 | psychonate | once you configure it a bit, it's marvelous |
| 00:01.51 | karsten | s/jobs/job/ |
| 00:01.53 | POVaddct | abcde is a command line frontend. also very nice. |
| 00:01.54 | Eulex | abcde is teh rule |
| 00:02.12 | psychonate | never really used abcde, as I've been fairly happy with grip |
| 00:02.17 | psychonate | maybe I'll mess with it sometime though |
| 00:02.27 | zcram | or, alternatively one can make a buch of shell scripts and he will be fine |
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| 00:03.02 | sward | grip works |
| 00:03.21 | thingfish | I don't even rip anything anymore - I just listen to streaming media. |
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| 00:03.35 | zcram | sward: not if you don't have a cd-rom drive |
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| 00:04.07 | thingfish | !bourbon |
| 00:04.07 | dpkg | well, bourbon is THE SHIT.. Damn, it's THe drink ;-) |
| 00:04.07 | sward | zcram: Wrong, it works as expected without an optical drive |
| 00:04.08 | psychonate | My only complaint about grip, is that it doesn't have support implemented for vorbisgain |
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| 00:04.15 | psychonate | but I can use that separately anyway |
| 00:04.18 | antgel | thingfish: yeah but your music taste sucks <running very fast> |
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| 00:04.27 | thc | haha |
| 00:04.28 | zcram | well, somebody has to make that media stream anyway thingfish |
| 00:04.36 | thc | now now, let's not pick on the house-listeners |
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| 00:05.03 | azat | whatever happened to vobis, three-four years ago, vobis this & that, I hardly ever hear about it anymore |
| 00:05.06 | thingfish | hehe antgel |
| 00:05.15 | thc | many of the electronic genres stemmed from house music |
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| 00:05.33 | thingfish | I also listen to Zappa and classic rock and indian music. |
| 00:05.48 | thingfish | and they all started from Kraftwerk. |
| 00:05.51 | thc | i can listen to everything but rap and country |
| 00:06.02 | thc | dude i have some old kraftwerk on vinyl |
| 00:06.02 | thingfish | the "electric genres". |
| 00:06.16 | thingfish | me too, pretty much. |
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| 00:06.23 | sward | psychonate: vorbisgain $files? With that, why does grip need support for vorbi.. oh, sorry, WIMPies are afoot |
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| 00:06.31 | thingfish | hehe cool |
| 00:06.36 | XS4-6096 | i mount my sec hdd in /mnt/hdb but i dont have permissions to it |
| 00:06.40 | POVaddct | thc: which kraftwerk album is it? |
| 00:06.40 | roler | are they ever going to have atheros wifi support in the 2.6.x kernels/ |
| 00:06.46 | thingfish | old kraftwerk is about all there is. |
| 00:06.53 | thc | POVaddct: the robots single (i believe) |
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| 00:06.59 | POVaddct | thc: ah cool |
| 00:07.02 | valdyn_ | XS4-6096: what exactly are you trying to mount? |
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| 00:07.09 | thc | it's easily ten years old |
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| 00:07.10 | POVaddct | thc: from the man machine album |
| 00:07.16 | thc | POVaddct: yeah |
| 00:07.16 | psychonate | sward, well, if it had support for vorbisgain, the entire process would be automated for me ;) |
| 00:07.17 | thingfish | I actually got to see them on their first tour through the US. |
| 00:07.21 | karsten | ldd /bin/dash shows 'linux-gate.so.1'. Where is that library and what provides it? |
| 00:07.24 | POVaddct | thc: no, it's from 1978(!) |
| 00:07.29 | sward | psychonate: Script it! |
| 00:07.31 | thc | No way. |
| 00:07.35 | thingfish | Robots is good. ComputerWorld is good. |
| 00:07.35 | zinx | karsten: it's in the kernel |
| 00:07.42 | zinx | karsten: it's provided by the kernel. glibc uses it. |
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| 00:07.56 | psychonate | sward, er, is grip scriptable, or do you mean write my own script from scratch? |
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| 00:08.04 | POVaddct | thc: the man machine album is from 1978. maybe you have the ugly remixed version from "the mix" album |
| 00:08.05 | zinx | karsten: it's to avoid interrupts for some system calls |
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| 00:08.17 | thingfish | I love the japanese version of ComputerWorld. |
| 00:08.20 | sward | psychonate: cdparanoia and oggenc certainly are |
| 00:08.22 | thc | POVaddct: possibly, i don't think this one was pressed that long ago... |
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| 00:09.10 | psychonate | sward, yeah, but I don't know much about scripting. It'd be difficult for me to create the tags with the proper artist/song/etc |
| 00:09.17 | POVaddct | thc: okay. but the album was first released in 1978. |
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| 00:09.38 | thc | word. |
| 00:09.48 | psychonate | sward, I'd have to do some cddb crap and assign variables; I don't think I could do that well :( |
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| 00:10.09 | POVaddct | thc: i have older albums on CD, like autobahn, radio activity and trans europe express |
| 00:10.26 | sward | psychonate: Then use $ripper, and follow it by vorbisgain |
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| 00:10.47 | sward | grip && vorbisgain * # maybe? |
| 00:10.53 | thc | POVaddct: rip them and hook a bruva up |
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| 00:11.17 | thingfish | I feel so bad. Kraftwerk came to Kansas City Missouri, where I live, for their Autobahn tour, and got booed. |
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| 00:11.25 | thc | booed haha why? |
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| 00:11.36 | thingfish | I was tripping while I saw them. I enjoyed the show greatly. |
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| 00:11.47 | psychonate | sward, hmm, grip doesn't close when it's finished though (or am I just confused)? |
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| 00:11.53 | thc | why do people boo? they know who is playing before they get there |
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| 00:11.56 | thc | why even go |
| 00:12.04 | karsten | zinx: OK. |
| 00:12.10 | thingfish | thc: bunch of stupid unsophisticated cowtown redneck know-nothings. |
| 00:12.15 | POVaddct | thingfish: must be some time ago. autobahn was 1974, so the tour was maybe 1976 |
| 00:12.26 | psychonate | sward, well, I guess vorbisgain would run as soon as I closed grip, which isn't too bad |
| 00:12.27 | thingfish | they kept yelling "rock 'n roll" |
| 00:12.33 | thc | hah |
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| 00:12.45 | thingfish | why even go? are you kidding? |
| 00:12.47 | karsten | !ops 213.163.126.206 81.213.162.135 botattack? |
| 00:12.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: 213.163.126.206 81.213.162.135 botattack |
| 00:13.02 | thingfish | POVaddct: yes, it was ages ago. I was a wee tad. |
| 00:13.03 | psychonate | sward, but I'd have to make the proper directory beforehand and cd to it, else vorbisgain would use the wrong files heh |
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| 00:13.22 | thc | no no. i mean why go just to boo someone, if you don't like who is playing, don't go to the show |
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| 00:13.44 | sward | psychonate: No, I don't think grip closes when finished. That's why you script stuff. I'm sure there's a CDDB commandline tool out there, I've just never used it. |
| 00:13.48 | antgel | thingfish: please don't suggest that zappa started because of kraftwerk |
| 00:13.50 | POVaddct | thingfish: i never saw them live :( only karl bartos (former keyboarder) solo last year here in germany. |
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| 00:14.21 | psychonate | sward, there probably is, but I don't feel confident enough in my scripting skills :( |
| 00:14.23 | sward | psychonate: cd -- change directory |
| 00:14.31 | psychonate | sward, maybe on a rainy day heh |
| 00:14.35 | thingfish | POVaddct: wow, what kind of stuff is he doing these days? |
| 00:15.00 | psychonate | but, for now, time for some food :) |
| 00:15.00 | thingfish | antgel: oh get real, I would NEVER EVER EVER even suggest such a fucking idiotic thing. |
| 00:15.07 | sward | psychonate: Fair enough |
| 00:15.15 | karsten | zinx: Any way to determine that in the general case? |
| 00:15.19 | POVaddct | thingfish: still electronic music, minimalistic, but not as strict style as kraftwerk |
| 00:15.49 | thingfish | interesting, POVaddct |
| 00:16.14 | pixolet_ | nice |
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| 00:16.25 | antgel | i bought some cd's this week. queens of the stone age, elp, foo fighters, coheed & cambria, uriah heap, robert plant |
| 00:16.28 | thingfish | wish they'd've written a song about Debian... |
| 00:16.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:16.39 | pixolet_ | i mould so buy it |
| 00:16.39 | POVaddct | thingfish: he is guest professor for electronic music composition at a berlin university |
| 00:16.48 | pixolet_ | would* |
| 00:17.00 | antgel | thingfish: have you heard rms sing the hacker song? |
| 00:17.03 | thingfish | uriah heep? no way! |
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| 00:17.14 | thingfish | that's old school. |
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| 00:17.25 | thingfish | hehehe no |
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| 00:17.31 | antgel | thingfish: way. very 'eavy, very 'umble. i already have live and demons and wizards |
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| 00:17.43 | thingfish | I heard he was singing with GIlberto Gil down in Brazil though. |
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| 00:18.42 | thingfish | I was a big Yes head, back in the day. |
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| 00:19.04 | antgel | thingfish: i was listening to relayer at work today. such an underrated album |
| 00:19.06 | thingfish | now I've kind of rediscovered the Moody Blues. |
| 00:19.10 | thingfish | oh fuck yes |
| 00:19.11 | POVaddct | thingfish: Yes stuff from the 70s is cool |
| 00:19.20 | thingfish | I love Relayer. Saw that tour. |
| 00:19.30 | zinx | karsten: determine what? |
| 00:19.31 | thingfish | it was KILLER. |
| 00:19.42 | thingfish | Patrick Moraz blew me away. |
| 00:19.44 | Elly | holy shit |
| 00:19.48 | Elly | I just tried to remove the gimp |
| 00:19.54 | Elly | and it's uninstalling like half my system |
| 00:20.01 | antgel | Elly: don't call patrick moraz a gimp |
| 00:20.02 | Elly | wtf did it remove abiword |
| 00:20.03 | POVaddct | thingfish: i wonder if they also toured with the tales from... album |
| 00:20.04 | karsten | zinx: Where a library actually lives. |
| 00:20.09 | Elly | and some gtk themes |
| 00:20.10 | Elly | ?? |
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| 00:20.28 | karsten | zinx: I'm building up a diagnostic initrd image w/ dash, sash, and busybox, trying to fulfill lib deps. |
| 00:20.34 | thingfish | POVaddct: I don't think so... I would've loved to have seen it if they had, though, but I think it was just played at a few select dates. |
| 00:20.40 | Elly | wtf |
| 00:20.43 | Elly | it removed some fonts |
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| 00:20.49 | Elly | IT JUST UNINSTALLED PYTHON |
| 00:20.52 | Elly | AND SYNAPTIC |
| 00:20.55 | Elly | what in god's name is it doing |
| 00:20.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:21.02 | Stormy | how do i get dvdrecord in deb ? |
| 00:21.06 | thingfish | bye bye, Elly's system. |
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| 00:21.08 | antgel | thingfish: i think they went downhill quickly after that album. going for the one is, like, meh |
| 00:21.12 | Elly | seriously |
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| 00:21.14 | Stormy | err in apt? |
| 00:21.14 | POVaddct | thingfish: do you know the anderson bruford wakeman howe album? |
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| 00:21.17 | Elly | why did aptitude purge gimp |
| 00:21.21 | Elly | remove all that stuff |
| 00:21.21 | thingfish | oh totally, antgel. |
| 00:21.24 | Elly | I need it >=\ |
| 00:21.30 | antgel | Elly: do you not check what it's doing before agreeing? |
| 00:21.31 | zinx | karsten: yes.. ldd will tell you which library is actually being used; /proc/pid/maps may also tell you |
| 00:21.48 | thingfish | POVaddct: It sounds familiar and I know I've heard it, but it's been too long to bring it all to mind. |
| 00:21.52 | antgel | thingfish: you might like to check out spock's beard and transatlantic |
| 00:21.53 | Elly | oh holy shit |
| 00:21.55 | InitMass | when trying to burn with k3b i get an error saying "Incorrectly encoded string (g??nget.JPG) encountered." the problem is that i can't search for that file with "find". how do i find this file among thousands of files?? |
| 00:21.56 | Elly | it uninstalled gnome |
| 00:22.00 | zinx | karsten: linux-gate.so.1 is a special case. |
| 00:22.03 | karsten | zinx: How do I go from library to file to actual link ref? |
| 00:22.05 | karsten | zinx: OK. |
| 00:22.06 | antgel | Elly: that's *good* |
| 00:22.07 | thingfish | antgel: oh yeah? |
| 00:22.07 | Elly | why does aptitude purge gimp remove gnome too *cries* |
| 00:22.09 | sward | synaptic? That sounds like apt |
| 00:22.10 | POVaddct | thingfish: the one without chris squire, when he forbid them to call themselves Yes |
| 00:22.13 | Elly | no, that's BAD, I like gnome |
| 00:22.19 | thingfish | aptitude likes to clean house. |
| 00:22.20 | sward | but probably crap |
| 00:22.26 | Elly | yeah I'll say |
| 00:22.30 | Elly | it just ripped the guts out of my system |
| 00:22.34 | zinx | karsten: ldd shows what will actually be linked when you run it (it actually runs the binary) |
| 00:22.41 | antgel | thingfish: oh yeah. spock's beard before neal morse left, any album before and including snow |
| 00:22.50 | zinx | karsten: /proc/pid/maps shows you what _is_ linked in a running program |
| 00:23.04 | karsten | Elly: If gnome was installed to fulfill a GIMP requirement, then you'll automatically remove gnome when removing that which created the requirement. |
| 00:23.09 | thingfish | POVaddct: I think I only heard that like once over at someone's house. |
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| 00:23.33 | Elly | karsten: I installed gnome, and it installed gimp. |
| 00:23.35 | karsten | zinx: OK. But that requires running the program and simultaneously checking its /proc entry. |
| 00:23.36 | thingfish | I stopped listening after Relayer. |
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| 00:23.44 | karsten | Elly: OK. Reinstall gnome then. \ |
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| 00:23.45 | zinx | karsten: then use ldd ;) |
| 00:23.49 | Elly | why did it remove it? |
| 00:23.51 | Elly | and python? |
| 00:24.03 | karsten | Elly: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 00:24.11 | thingfish | Elly: yeah, relax. You can put it all back. |
| 00:24.12 | Elly | aptitude |
| 00:24.20 | thingfish | aptitude. |
| 00:24.20 | karsten | Elly: ... both _do_ tell you what they're doing. aptitude also logs the reasons. |
| 00:24.22 | POVaddct | thingfish: /join #yestalk |
| 00:24.22 | sbk | Continuing confusion vis-a-vis xdm and xdmcp :-) Is it possible for machine B running xdm, to manage an X session on machine A, if machine A is itself running xdm? |
| 00:24.24 | thingfish | that figures. |
| 00:24.26 | karsten | Elly: ... then read /var/log/aptitude |
| 00:24.31 | thingfish | hehe cool POVaddct |
| 00:24.52 | thingfish | I saw them twice. Played for 3 hours each time. |
| 00:25.12 | Elly | uhh |
| 00:25.18 | thingfish | They were one of the tightest bands you could ever hope to hear. |
| 00:25.20 | Elly | it said that some of gnome's dependencies are unused |
| 00:25.26 | Elly | which is ludicrous because gnome depends on them |
| 00:25.34 | thingfish | "Neon Lights" |
| 00:25.39 | Elly | so it removed them |
| 00:25.44 | thingfish | (Kraftwerk fix) |
| 00:25.48 | Elly | and then it said "gnome's dependencies are missing, better remove gnome" |
| 00:25.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:26.08 | antgel | thingfish: and transatlantic are a side-project. one of the great bands ever. also check out dream theater if you like it a little heavy |
| 00:26.34 | Stormy | Hey could someone help me please burn this dvd iso off |
| 00:26.34 | thingfish | antgel: I like a little heavy, sometimes. I used to like Ministry. |
| 00:26.46 | Stormy | i've got sarge on a PPC box going |
| 00:26.51 | Stormy | cdrecording works fine |
| 00:26.53 | antgel | thingfish: i saw dream theater twice in two days a couple of weeks ago. they covered dark side of the moon in it's entirity |
| 00:26.55 | Stormy | i just don't see dvdrecord in apt anywhere |
| 00:26.57 | Skrotto | Is there a easy (parsable) way to extract audio (codec, channels) and video (codec, bitrate, aspect ratio, resolution) from video-files in linux? |
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| 00:27.04 | thingfish | antgel: no way, that's too cool. |
| 00:27.10 | antgel | Stormy: aptitude install growisofs |
| 00:27.10 | thc | Stormy: #debianppc |
| 00:27.21 | thingfish | there's some Roger Waters DVD out now that's supposed to kick ass. |
| 00:27.22 | Stormy | Skrotto look into VLC |
| 00:27.30 | ClayG | any recommendations for a nix program that will turn a .mpg into a dvd? |
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| 00:27.33 | antgel | thingfish: they played three hours both nights. they generally do. they played totally different set lists |
| 00:27.40 | thingfish | sweet |
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| 00:27.47 | thingfish | isn't is great to be a hippy. |
| 00:27.53 | antgel | thingfish: roger waters just wrote an opera. actually he's on the tv programme i'm watching atm |
| 00:27.59 | thingfish | cool! |
| 00:28.00 | Skrotto | Stormy: the application or a library? |
| 00:28.12 | jayjay734 | hramrach_ : dont know if u still there, but the problem was my bios is not booting on the good disk (when there is only one it is ok, but more it just doesnt to go to the good one...) |
| 00:28.13 | sward | Lovelyhippygoodness |
| 00:28.18 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:28.24 | antgel | thingfish: i'm 28, so i don't know. anyway dark side is the third in a series of five albums that DT are playing live on special occasions |
| 00:28.34 | thingfish | hippies believed in love and flower power. I miss those days. |
| 00:28.41 | thingfish | I'm 48. |
| 00:28.41 | Elly | >=\ |
| 00:28.49 | Elly | I've never been so scared by a package manager in my life before |
| 00:28.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:29.01 | antgel | Elly: which one? |
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| 00:29.03 | thingfish | Elly=cute=funny |
| 00:29.03 | POVaddct | hehe, i'm 38 |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | hehe .. you're all so damn old! |
| 00:29.12 | thingfish | kids, all of ye |
| 00:29.13 | Elly | antgel: aptitude removing gnome |
| 00:29.20 | thc | asl check! |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | Elly: gnome is a metapackage |
| 00:29.30 | thc | !beer abrotman |
| 00:29.32 | thingfish | I remember when pot was only $15 an ounce. |
| 00:29.35 | Elly | abrotman: ...and? |
| 00:29.37 | thc | jever? wtf |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | Elly: removing it does nothing |
| 00:29.47 | abrotman | Elly: it removes a metapackage |
| 00:29.49 | Elly | so why does it exist? |
| 00:29.50 | POVaddct | Jever? *grin* |
| 00:29.57 | antgel | Elly: did it occur to you to check what it would do when it asked you to confirm? |
| 00:30.02 | antgel | Elly: to pull things *in* |
| 00:30.22 | thingfish | Neon Lights is brilliant. |
| 00:30.27 | antgel | abrotman: thanks for calling us old! |
| 00:30.34 | thingfish | gosh, they perfected the minimal. |
| 00:30.36 | Elly | antgel: nah, I'm used to the package manager doing sane things on its own |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | antgel: iirc .. you're a year older than me ? |
| 00:30.50 | antgel | abrotman: 28 |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | antgel: nope . i'm older :) |
| 00:31.05 | thc | are you guys all gonna use debian in your retirement homes? (when you go there, soon.) |
| 00:31.05 | psychonate | I feel quite young now heh |
| 00:31.10 | thingfish | hehehehe |
| 00:31.16 | thingfish | thc fuck you |
| 00:31.16 | Elly | so do I |
| 00:31.19 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:31.19 | thc | :D |
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| 00:31.40 | thingfish | I sure am! I'm going to get all those old damn suckers onto Debian. |
| 00:31.43 | sward | thc: Fuck yeah, but it's a long way off for me |
| 00:31.50 | antgel | abrotman: thanks old man! |
| 00:31.54 | zcram | perhaps make a specialized distrobution for elderly people |
| 00:31.54 | abrotman | antgel: hehe |
| 00:32.00 | Elly | I hear Linux Kernel 3.0 will be a special message-passing microkernel written entirely in visual basic 6, is this so? |
| 00:32.07 | karsten | Elly: Yes. |
| 00:32.08 | antgel | Elly: no, .NET |
| 00:32.10 | Elly | zcram: oldnix. |
| 00:32.11 | psychonate | zcram, Moribundix |
| 00:32.13 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | wtf would write anyhting in VB6 now |
| 00:32.18 | POVaddct | psychonate: muhahaha |
| 00:32.18 | thingfish | funny mellicans |
| 00:32.34 | psychonate | I think mine is perhaps inappropriate heh |
| 00:32.44 | thingfish | hehe moribundix |
| 00:32.46 | Elly | the modern midlife crisis: Formatting your box and installing Linux. |
| 00:32.58 | thingfish | Feeblian |
| 00:33.03 | karsten | Elly: You can obtain it by sending a cashier's check, payable to me, in the amount of $12,000,000 |
| 00:33.08 | Elly | Impotentix |
| 00:33.09 | thc | no. viagrabuntu. |
| 00:33.13 | thingfish | hehehe |
| 00:33.19 | thc | that'll be my distro when i get old. |
| 00:33.20 | antgel | karsten: i keep getting emails from people like you |
| 00:33.20 | Elly | Viagrix :P |
| 00:33.21 | karsten | Elly: ... or you can reserve your advance copy now for the low, low price of $50,000 |
| 00:33.24 | dannyr | I'm having trouble with postfix - I can no longer send emails from my local lan - I get a message "Server Response: '554 <user@realtek.net.au>:Relay access denied'.Port 25. Secure(SSL): No. Server Error:554" It was working (Ithink!) until I enabled ssl! Is there something in the conf file I am missing - I have searched the www |
| 00:33.25 | psychonate | We had way too much fun with that. |
| 00:33.43 | POVaddct | enlarge your di[cs]k |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | dannyr: you have mynetworks, etc set up correctly ? |
| 00:33.49 | karsten | Elly: If that's the case, I'm having approx 20 midlife crises daily. |
| 00:33.58 | Elly | karsten: You're just emotionally unstable |
| 00:34.08 | karsten | POVaddct: Hrm. That should be the new slogan for parted.... |
| 00:34.11 | Elly | dannyr: are both ends of the connection aware that it's supposed to be SSL? |
| 00:34.14 | karsten | Elly: WHO TOLD YOU!!? |
| 00:34.18 | psychonate | Elly, but her PCs are stable |
| 00:34.21 | psychonate | so it's all good |
| 00:34.27 | thingfish | "Numbers" |
| 00:34.30 | karsten | psychonate: "Her"? |
| 00:34.31 | Elly | "Parted: Enlarge your Dic^Hsk" |
| 00:34.37 | psychonate | oops |
| 00:34.46 | psychonate | faulty? |
| 00:34.48 | dannyr | Elly, I did not have Thunderbird use ssl! |
| 00:34.49 | psychonate | ;) |
| 00:34.52 | karsten | psychonate: I make a hella ugly chick. |
| 00:35.00 | Elly | dannyr: uhh, maybe that's it? |
| 00:35.03 | Elly | oh |
| 00:35.05 | Elly | 554 is different |
| 00:35.05 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear ? |
| 00:35.06 | Elly | nevermind |
| 00:35.08 | psychonate | karsten, what is your nick from? I assumed it was a girls name :( |
| 00:35.24 | antgel | O_o |
| 00:35.34 | thingfish | there *are* no girls on IRC. Except for helix. |
| 00:35.42 | rabies | thingfish: lies |
| 00:35.53 | thingfish | not from me, rabies. |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | thingfish: that's not true |
| 00:36.01 | psychonate | thingfish, does it count if they're half-girl? |
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| 00:36.10 | karsten | psychonate: It's not a nick. |
| 00:36.12 | sward | thingfish: >:| Not that I'm a girl.. I just dispute that |
| 00:36.17 | rabies | thingfish: lies |
| 00:36.25 | thingfish | psychonate: actually you get bonus points for that one. |
| 00:36.26 | psychonate | karsten, er, by nick I meant "IRC handle" |
| 00:36.27 | karsten | abrotman: 56 B |
| 00:36.39 | psychonate | thingfish, odd points system methinks |
| 00:36.44 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:36.56 | sward | thingfish: Maybe they're past teens and count as women instead? |
| 00:36.58 | sward | :) |
| 00:37.00 | thingfish | one strives to keep the clientele entertained. |
| 00:37.09 | psychonate | wait |
| 00:37.16 | antgel | shall we break the no polls rule and see how many girls are here now? |
| 00:37.23 | thingfish | yes! |
| 00:37.23 | psychonate | by clientele do you actually mean thingfish |
| 00:37.25 | psychonate | ? |
| 00:37.28 | karsten | abrotman: Flexed or unflexed? |
| 00:37.43 | thingfish | just play along, psychonate. |
| 00:37.48 | rabies | antgel: nope... |
| 00:37.56 | thingfish | yes, Phated is female. |
| 00:38.13 | psychonate | thingfish, well, I want to make sure that "playing along" won't be considered illegal in some nations of the world ;) |
| 00:38.16 | thingfish | and there's a honey in #fedora, but that's all I know. |
| 00:38.21 | dannyr | Elly: mynetworks is set to " mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 " |
| 00:38.22 | thingfish | hehe psychonate |
| 00:38.32 | antgel | i have always liked fedora |
| 00:38.42 | psychonate | thingfish, like an attractive honey? |
| 00:38.49 | thingfish | antgel: there are some really sweet people that hang out in there. |
| 00:38.52 | Elly | dannyr: I know zero about what you're talking about; ignore me |
| 00:38.56 | psychonate | antgel, RPM :( |
| 00:39.03 | thingfish | psychonate: oh, I'm sure she's a real looker. |
| 00:39.05 | sward | Hehe |
| 00:39.07 | rabies | fedoras are cool lookin |
| 00:39.13 | rabies | but im glad they are out of style |
| 00:39.17 | antgel | psychonate: i need a woman. i'm willing to risk it |
| 00:39.24 | psychonate | my first distro was Mandrake, which I didn't mind, but I typically don't care for RPM-based distros |
| 00:39.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:39.31 | rabies | antgel: i think that counts as a very long distance relationship |
| 00:39.52 | thingfish | antgel: you'll find a woman. YOu just need exposure. Get out and about. |
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| 00:40.36 | antgel | thingfish: not really. the last one i had tore my soul apart. no hurry. i've met a lot of women and she was the best by a country mile |
| 00:40.39 | psychonate | off to watch Paths of Glory |
| 00:40.46 | thingfish | psychonate: I grew up on suse, switched to redhat at RH7, stayed with it until FC3, then saw the light and switched to Debian about a year ago. |
| 00:41.11 | psychonate | I really liked Gentoo for a while |
| 00:41.21 | psychonate | I can't remember which Mandrake I started off on though |
| 00:41.32 | thingfish | it sucks trying to find someone. especially since you don't find someone until you kind of relax and let it go. |
| 00:41.47 | karsten | antgel: You need exposure. Remove your clothes. |
| 00:41.53 | sward | Gentoo works, Debian works better (and is ready faster) :) |
| 00:42.02 | cheal | I lived with Mandrake for half a year, then met my destiny and switched to Debian |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | i feel so bad for all of you |
| 00:42.14 | psychonate | sward, well, while Debian has a lot of packages, I think Gentoo has more |
| 00:42.14 | thingfish | women don't treat you straight guys right. They think they're the important one. |
| 00:42.22 | thingfish | hehe abrotman. |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | i tried to install .. RH5.x .. it didn't work . and debian since then ... |
| 00:42.40 | sward | psychonate: It doesn't have packages, it has build descriptions |
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| 00:42.57 | cheal | abrotman: what, you think God wasn't involved in bringing you to Debian? |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | cheal: no .. it was alan cox .. i guess that's close enough ... |
| 00:43.25 | psychonate | sward, I stand corrected. It probably had more "build descriptions" available than Debian does packages. |
| 00:43.34 | psychonate | sward, even son, I use Debian now anyway |
| 00:43.37 | cheal | abrotman: ok. how was he involved? |
| 00:43.37 | psychonate | s/son/so |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | cheal: he works for RH :) |
| 00:43.55 | psychonate | But I did enjoy the number of "build descriptions" available ;) |
| 00:44.00 | cheal | abrotman: and what did he do that turned you away? |
| 00:44.08 | abrotman | cheal: RH didn't work ? |
| 00:44.13 | antgel | karsten: now? |
| 00:44.52 | sward | psychonate: True, but in *any* distribution, you can compile what you need. In those with at least semi-decent package management, you can use checkinstall to aid that. |
| 00:44.53 | cheal | abrotman: OK. so alan cox is more the evil? |
| 00:44.55 | karsten | antgel: Sure, the sooner the better. |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | cheal: no .. he's fine . .but his product didn't work :) |
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| 00:45.27 | thingfish | isn't alan cox a redhattie |
| 00:45.35 | karsten | thingfish: Indeed he is. |
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| 00:45.44 | thingfish | pfft |
| 00:45.47 | psychonate | sward, that's true I suppose, but Gentoo made it easy... most of the time. In any case, I'm enjoying Etch for the time being :) |
| 00:46.03 | |XO| | whats the script/command to change the mailman password..it should be change_pw but its not in debian.... |
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| 00:46.42 | sward | http://nerd.ws/ |
| 00:46.48 | thingfish | hehe sward |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | |XO|: it's erm .. i just saw it the other day ... |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | |XO|: it's there |
| 00:46.51 | sward | *ahem* |
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| 00:47.23 | psychonate | now, movie time |
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| 00:47.43 | abrotman | |XO|: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/change_ow |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 00:48.47 | antgel | karsten: but my parents might think i was a bit funny |
| 00:48.52 | thingfish | ooh thc |
| 00:49.02 | thc | bad poll time: what's a good first programming language to learn (something that can be used as a stepping stone to learn other languages) |
| 00:49.02 | thingfish | I love naked geeks. |
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| 00:49.09 | thc | haha |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | karsten: what color attitude ? |
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| 00:49.22 | thingfish | "Tour De France" |
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| 00:49.33 | abrotman | thc: C/Java/Python pick one |
| 00:49.34 | karsten | abrotman: puce. |
| 00:49.36 | thingfish | oh thc, where's your sense of adventure? :) |
| 00:49.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:49.55 | karsten | thc: English. |
| 00:50.04 | thingfish | angliiskiy |
| 00:50.04 | antgel | karsten: *grin* nah. i have a flat but it's a little depressing there atm. it was going to be our home until she ripped my soul out. did i mention that? |
| 00:50.12 | thc | karsten: i failed english in high-school, what makes you think i'd wanna learn that now |
| 00:50.15 | thc | o.O |
| 00:50.23 | karsten | antgel: Someday you'll thank her for the favor. |
| 00:50.25 | thingfish | I need some thc right now. |
| 00:50.36 | thc | i'll be inhaling some thc in about 9 minutes |
| 00:50.40 | thingfish | oh look, what's this here on my desk? |
| 00:50.48 | thingfish | could it be a joint? |
| 00:50.48 | sward | thc: I'd say Python, then you can always progress on to others, though the traditional "learning" languages seem to be Pascal, Haskell and Smalltalk. |
| 00:50.52 | antgel | karsten: um, thanks (not sure about that but kingsley_ would approve) |
| 00:51.08 | abrotman | sward: yeah .. but who wants to learn about whitespace meaning something :) |
| 00:51.10 | thingfish | let's all move to Vancouver and start a Debian pot growing coop. |
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| 00:51.20 | sward | abrotman: Pah! |
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| 00:51.26 | karsten | thingfish: Would that be a coop d'etat? |
| 00:51.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:51.34 | azeem | thingfish: uhm, neuro lives in Vancouver, no? |
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| 00:51.43 | azeem | you wouldn't want to go thre |
| 00:51.45 | azeem | eh, there |
| 00:51.57 | |XO| | abrotman thanks alot man |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | |XO|: found it ? |
| 00:52.06 | |XO| | yea |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | antgel: look .. another +1 for me! |
| 00:52.17 | thingfish | gosh, I don't know who this "neuro" is. |
| 00:52.22 | abrotman | !karma antgel |
| 00:52.23 | dpkg | antgel has karma of 3 |
| 00:52.26 | |XO| | i was going to give the maintainer a piece of my mind |
| 00:52.34 | thingfish | probably works for the canadian rcmp. |
| 00:52.47 | thingfish | is three good? |
| 00:52.52 | cheal | !neuro |
| 00:52.52 | dpkg | somebody said neuro was a stormix programmer who is also the maintainer of gdm, or a mean ass UT player |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | |XO|: hehe .. for future reference .. dpkg -L <pkg> or packages.debian.org .. good places to look .. also apt-file is good |
| 00:52.59 | thingfish | oh wow |
| 00:53.12 | thingfish | that fatality guy is from my home town |
| 00:53.17 | cheal | !factinfo neuro |
| 00:53.17 | dpkg | neuro -- created by Doviende <plypkie@prophet.stormix.com> at Thu Mar 16 05:13:44 2000 (2080 days); last modified at Thu Mar 16 05:16:16 2000 by Doviende!plypkie@prophet.stormix.com; it has been requested 12 times, last by cheal, 25s ago. |
| 00:53.22 | david-home | hello |
| 00:53.26 | azeem | haha |
| 00:53.28 | david-home | how does one become a Debian mirror? |
| 00:53.35 | david-home | I submitted the form, but I never heard back from anyone |
| 00:53.41 | thingfish | Tour de France started so much stuff... |
| 00:53.50 | azeem | david-home: they are slow |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | david-home: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/official |
| 00:54.10 | thingfish | david-home: you must've forgotten to include nude photos. |
| 00:54.15 | azeem | david-home: I heard there is a #debian-mirror or #debian-mirrors chan, either here or on oftc.net, you could try there |
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| 00:54.49 | david-home | azeem, cool - found it |
| 00:54.53 | Peldon | n8 zusammen :) |
| 00:55.00 | david-home | abrotman, yeah, been there - Just trying to get a response from someone |
| 00:55.08 | N0S3 | hello |
| 00:55.13 | N0S3 | friends! |
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| 00:55.32 | thingfish | hi there, N0S3, how the hell are you? |
| 00:55.33 | sward | The only neuro: http://neuro.me.uk/ |
| 00:55.38 | sward | Any other is a fake |
| 00:55.41 | thingfish | !beer N0S3 |
| 00:56.12 | sward | Smoothwall guy, among other things |
| 00:56.23 | N0S3 | thingfish: :) |
| 00:56.25 | antgel | thingfish: three is the most karma one can have :P |
| 00:56.44 | N0S3 | ***dpkg thanks :) |
| 00:56.45 | thingfish | antgel: ooh, I must be in the negative numbers then. |
| 00:57.08 | thingfish | this is Friday, yes. |
| 00:57.19 | antgel | !karma thingfish |
| 00:57.19 | dpkg | thingfish has karma of 1 |
| 00:57.44 | thingfish | yeah well fuck you dpkg |
| 00:57.57 | thingfish | karma can go to hell. |
| 00:58.07 | azeem | thingfish-- |
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| 00:58.24 | thc | these python docs are huge, can't i learn a language by reading one or two pages? |
| 00:58.31 | thc | weeeee |
| 00:58.36 | azeem | thc: are you trolling? |
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| 00:59.12 | thingfish | oh yes, since kingsley, we're supposed to be watching our language. |
| 00:59.23 | thingfish | I regret my foul-mouthedness. |
| 00:59.32 | Elly | kingsley? |
| 00:59.45 | findme | !troll |
| 00:59.45 | dpkg | i heard troll is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 00:59.48 | antgel | !kingsleysmite Elly |
| 00:59.49 | thingfish | he's this giant prick that's been hanging around lately. |
| 00:59.49 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Elly: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.891448955607729! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:00.00 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:00.04 | thingfish | that's excellent |
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| 01:00.58 | thc | and it's 5:00 |
| 01:00.59 | thingfish | who authored that factoid' s/he gets a Freenodie Award. |
| 01:01.01 | thc | later skaters. |
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| 01:01.25 | abrotman | thingfish: i think it's broken |
| 01:01.46 | thingfish | abrotman: the factoid's broken? |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | oh . .no . the randomness is |
| 01:01.57 | Elly | boy |
| 01:02.02 | Elly | I'm totally not productive |
| 01:02.10 | Elly | what kind of pretentious asshole would make a chart like that |
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| 01:02.22 | abrotman | oh .. no .. |
| 01:02.23 | thingfish | Elly: good question. |
| 01:02.35 | antgel | Elly: he thinks it's scientific. his bad word list includes lesbian |
| 01:02.48 | Elly | hahahahahaha. |
| 01:02.55 | Elly | damn those lesbians! |
| 01:02.55 | abrotman | i suck |
| 01:02.57 | Elly | ^ two for one |
| 01:03.04 | thingfish | someone whose fragile ego was bruised by an awful #debian brute long ago. |
| 01:03.09 | en1gma | hey i have a Q but its not debian related....although it is linux related. ive asked in ##linux and in ##slackware and havent been able to get help yet. you mind if i ask here |
| 01:03.14 | thingfish | lesbians are cool. |
| 01:03.21 | Elly | en1gma: yes we damn well mind |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | en1gma: yeah .. we do |
| 01:03.27 | en1gma | okie |
| 01:03.29 | Elly | thingfish: I know, some of my best friends are lesbians |
| 01:03.34 | thingfish | I have me lesbians that would shoot you if you were a guy looking at them. |
| 01:03.39 | en1gma | but yes lesbians r0xx0rs |
| 01:03.42 | thingfish | *met |
| 01:03.51 | thingfish | except their taste in music sucks. |
| 01:03.59 | Elly | ironically |
| 01:04.05 | Elly | dpkg is the worst for productivity |
| 01:04.09 | thingfish | I have never met a lesbian into house music. |
| 01:04.11 | abrotman | thingfish: yeah .. but the girls that sing it are cute .. sometimes |
| 01:04.12 | en1gma | and the boots they wer |
| 01:04.12 | Elly | that bot delivers more help than the rest of us combined |
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| 01:04.14 | en1gma | wear* |
| 01:04.30 | Elly | boots are awesome |
| 01:04.41 | en1gma | not with red shoe lasses |
| 01:04.43 | thingfish | plus I tell you what, lesbians get good pot. |
| 01:04.44 | en1gma | lases& |
| 01:04.56 | en1gma | lesbians get great drugs |
| 01:04.59 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:05.04 | en1gma | :)\ |
| 01:05.08 | en1gma | strippers too |
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| 01:05.33 | Elly | Kingsley G. Morse, Jr. |
| 01:05.33 | thingfish | I never have known any strippers. Well, female strippers, that is. |
| 01:05.38 | Elly | even his NAME is pretentious |
| 01:05.43 | thingfish | I know. |
| 01:05.53 | thingfish | he's probably a tiny little guy. |
| 01:05.59 | en1gma | i had a female stripper that lived below my apt and she was smoking hot |
| 01:06.05 | thingfish | well dug |
| 01:06.06 | Elly | bwahahahaha |
| 01:06.07 | thingfish | *duh |
| 01:06.08 | en1gma | and her girl friends were even better |
| 01:06.12 | Elly | look at his site's index: http://www.nas.com/~change/ |
| 01:06.26 | en1gma | her boyfrined had great crippie |
| 01:06.35 | thingfish | I taught a male stripper kung fu and he was hot. hot hot hot hot hot. |
| 01:06.53 | en1gma | ewww |
| 01:06.57 | thingfish | oh you |
| 01:07.05 | thingfish | grow up, it's the 2000's. |
| 01:07.18 | en1gma | what are you saying |
| 01:07.18 | thingfish | you be you, let me be me. |
| 01:07.25 | thingfish | ? |
| 01:07.25 | en1gma | i am being me |
| 01:07.30 | en1gma | its ewww to me |
| 01:07.31 | thingfish | do you not read english? |
| 01:07.32 | en1gma | :) |
| 01:07.45 | azeem | well, keep your ewwwing to yourseld |
| 01:07.48 | azeem | yourself |
| 01:07.48 | thingfish | well your nasty girly-girls are icky to me, so there. |
| 01:07.55 | en1gma | he said he was hot hot hot |
| 01:08.01 | en1gma | why cant i say ewww |
| 01:08.14 | en1gma | i dont mind u say that |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | en1gma: stop being so homophobic |
| 01:08.14 | thingfish | aww azeem I'm definitely voting for you for mega-op. |
| 01:08.21 | en1gma | u must be mistaken i have gay friends |
| 01:08.25 | Elly | yeah me too |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about u |
| 01:08.28 | en1gma | but its still ew to me |
| 01:08.31 | azeem | thingfish: cause I typo when I'm drunk? |
| 01:08.32 | Elly | I vote for azeem for god |
| 01:08.38 | thingfish | hehe azeem |
| 01:08.44 | azeem | anyway, laters |
| 01:08.49 | thingfish | yay! for drunken typos |
| 01:09.21 | en1gma | btw not trying to get you angry thingfish sorry if i hurt ur feelers |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about ur |
| 01:09.38 | en1gma | yer* |
| 01:09.40 | thingfish | en1gma: I have a skin that is so very very thick, you can't believe. |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | your |
| 01:09.43 | en1gma | im from da south |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | idiot |
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| 01:10.21 | en1gma | i had home schooling and learned howto read from hooked on phonics |
| 01:10.23 | thingfish | en1gma: well, so what. There are a lot of farm animals in the south, too. |
| 01:10.41 | thingfish | ooh, fig newtons...old favorite. |
| 01:10.51 | en1gma | fawnix |
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| 01:11.07 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | thingfish: i still buy them . i don't eat much other "junk food" |
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| 01:11.32 | abrotman | yay! one down |
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| 01:11.54 | Guerin | abrotman: legions more |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. well |
| 01:12.09 | thingfish | abrotman: I don't eat much junk food either, however I do indulge in Famous Amos Chocolate Chip cookies with pecans. |
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| 01:12.17 | abrotman | thingfish: FREAK! |
| 01:12.17 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 01:12.24 | thingfish | I am, I am! |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | though .. i do love Praline cookies and such |
| 01:12.40 | thingfish | a freak of nature. It's hideous. |
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| 01:12.43 | en1gma | when i am in cli and i do 'halt' or 'reboot' right at the last second b4 monitor goes blank i see what looks like a trace that just started but i cant catch it cause it shutsdown or reboots. ive looked in syslog to track it down but its not there. does anyone know where i might be able to find it |
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| 01:12.53 | thingfish | ooh pralines...pecan *anything* |
| 01:12.53 | antgel | .us doesn't have food. you just have sugar and chemicals |
| 01:12.53 | abrotman | en1gma: you're not running debian .. go away |
| 01:12.58 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.01 | en1gma | i have ran debian |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | antgel: lettuce |
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| 01:13.15 | abrotman | en1gma: it doesn't matter .. the question doesn't pertain to a debian system .. go away |
| 01:13.18 | thingfish | what are you running, en1gma? We demand to know! |
| 01:13.20 | karsten | en1gma: "have run" or "ran". Take your pick. |
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| 01:13.26 | antgel | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:13.28 | en1gma | kernel 2.6.14.2 |
| 01:13.32 | Guerin | en1gma: please stop being so stupid. |
| 01:13.34 | Guerin | Thanks. |
| 01:13.42 | thingfish | aww, Guerin. |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | en1gma: go ask ##linux or #slackware |
| 01:13.49 | en1gma | well come on sheesh i aint asking how to install suse or redhat |
| 01:13.50 | thingfish | <3 Guerin |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | en1gma: GO AWAY |
| 01:14.01 | en1gma | ok fine |
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| 01:14.05 | abrotman | you picked your distro .. you get its support |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | two down |
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| 01:14.18 | thingfish | well that was quick. now I feel guilty. |
| 01:14.20 | Guerin | abrotman: still legions to go |
| 01:14.40 | thingfish | he could've been some innocent sweet kid, not knowing any better. |
| 01:14.43 | Weirdo | is there a room for discussing making deb packages? or is this a good place? |
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| 01:14.58 | Guerin | Weirdo: here, or #debian-mentors |
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| 01:15.15 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.16 | karsten | Why the hell would grub not be seeing changes to a /boot/grub/menu.lst file? |
| 01:15.25 | crash3m_ | because its not using that file? |
| 01:15.35 | N0S3 | Guerin: :) |
| 01:15.38 | karsten | crash3m_: Y'know, that's a good theory. |
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| 01:15.43 | Guerin | crash3m_: ok. why the hell would it not be using that file? |
| 01:15.53 | karsten | crash3m_: ... which raises the fascinating question of just which file it _is_ reading. |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | karsten: wrong file ? |
| 01:15.54 | crash3m_ | uhhh, because it was told to use something else? I'm not sure |
| 01:16.02 | karsten | abrotman: Get in line. |
| 01:16.15 | Guerin | crash3m_: ok, so you're just making shit up. Thanks for playing. Sorry, you didn't make the high-score list. |
| 01:16.21 | crash3m_ | heh |
| 01:16.27 | stupendo44 | I'm trying to manually recover a file from a fat32 drive with a disk editor. I've gone pretty far, but I just need a little more help from someone with filesystem knowledge. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:16.49 | crash3m_ | Guerin: you expect me to know which file its using by what, pulling an answer out of my ass? |
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| 01:17.47 | liable | !kingsleysmite crash3m_ |
| 01:17.48 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer crash3m_: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.242019876410392! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:18.01 | karsten | crash3m_: abrotman: looks like you're on to something. the grub.conf / menu.lst (!Debian system FWIW) link got broken. |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | see .. it's brokaged! |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | karsten: this is why i'm the smart one here |
| 01:18.29 | thingfish | man, who came up with that kingsleysmite factoid, that's priceless. |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | thingfish: guerin or mhall |
| 01:18.45 | antgel | abrotman: what? you're nearly the least Productive(tm) |
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| 01:18.53 | abrotman | antgel: i know . .don't tell anyone |
| 01:18.57 | thingfish | abrotman: it's a hoot. |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | doh .. one came back |
| 01:19.14 | karsten | abrotman: Reminds me why I like Debian more.... |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | karsten: because you get to abuse my brain ? |
| 01:19.57 | karsten | abrotman: No, no, no |
| 01:20.08 | karsten | abrotman: ... it's the hours I can spend looking for it ;-) |
| 01:20.10 | thingfish | karsten: you like Debian because dpkg make the best martinis, that's why. |
| 01:20.15 | abrotman | karsten: my brain .. or the file ? |
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| 01:20.23 | thingfish | *makes |
| 01:20.23 | karsten | abrotman: What's the difference? |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | karsten: one is flat? |
| 01:20.32 | karsten | abrotman: ... a few stray bits nobody particularly cares for. |
| 01:20.35 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | !martini thingfish |
| 01:20.41 | abrotman | thingfish: apparently not |
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| 01:21.01 | abrotman | karsten: trust me . you don't want to do that |
| 01:21.09 | thingfish | it *better* be tanqueray or boodles. |
| 01:22.13 | N0S3 | if i install shorewall , configure this , and i write "shorewall start" , this start automatly at startup? |
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| 01:23.22 | Guerin | karsten: you lose |
| 01:23.35 | antgel | N0S3: read the shorewall docs in /usr/share/doc/shorewall |
| 01:23.55 | karsten | N0S3: Yes, if it's run properly out of /etc/init.d |
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| 01:24.38 | karsten | N0S3: man update-rc.d |
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| 01:24.43 | karsten | Guerin: Frequently. |
| 01:24.48 | karsten | Guerin: ... but I win when I lose. |
| 01:24.51 | joepoe | hello |
| 01:24.51 | N0S3 | karsten: that you tell me of the file" / etc/default/shorewall" |
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| 01:25.02 | joepoe | can I install debian on a amd 64 bit? |
| 01:25.06 | karsten | N0S3: English? |
| 01:25.08 | karsten | joepoe: yes. |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | joepoe: yes |
| 01:25.14 | joepoe | how? |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | !tell joepoe about amd64 |
| 01:25.29 | karsten | joepoe: Read the installation manual |
| 01:26.03 | N0S3 | karsten: i need modify the file "/etc/defaut/shorewall" ? "startup" at 1 ? |
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| 01:26.10 | lordnazgu | can anyone point me to a good how to or tell me how to get my wireless card to choose a specific network to connect to. havent found a decent howto on google. if i could be presented with a list of networks to choose from that would be great |
| 01:26.14 | XS4-6096 | when i try change permission to /mnt/hdb i got: Changing the attributes of files is not supported with protocol devices. |
| 01:26.14 | karsten | N0S3: /etc/default/* won't (usually) control whether or not a tool runs. It generally configures some major functionality. |
| 01:26.25 | liable | lordnazgu: man iwlist |
| 01:26.27 | N0S3 | ahhh |
| 01:26.29 | karsten | N0S3: What's the file in question say? |
| 01:26.47 | antgel | N0S3: it's in the fucking docs for shorewall ^^ |
| 01:27.03 | karsten | N0S3: In the case of shorewall, until you edit the rules file(s) it won't actually do anything. |
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| 01:27.11 | lordnazgu | liable: thanx but how do i properly configure it to choose one |
| 01:27.22 | liable | lordnazgu: with iwconfig |
| 01:27.40 | N0S3 | antgel: N0S3: it's in the fucking docs for shorewall ^^ ---> why fucking? |
| 01:27.57 | lordnazgu | liable i tried that but it didnt actually disconnect from the auto one and connect to the one i specified |
| 01:27.59 | antgel | N0S3: because i'm annoyed that you don't read the channel |
| 01:28.29 | Weirdo | anyone here know an easy way to create a package, from a svn src tree, that has the svn revision number appended to the package version? |
| 01:28.29 | N0S3 | antgel: :) don't get angry |
| 01:28.44 | liable | lordnazgu: stop trying to connect to your neighbours wireless. :P |
| 01:28.46 | antgel | N0S3: *do* read the channel |
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| 01:29.05 | N0S3 | :'( |
| 01:29.08 | liable | lordnazgu: change the essid and try dhclient |
| 01:29.08 | lordnazgu | liable: thats the prob it picked up my neighbors and not mine;) |
| 01:29.15 | dvs | ha |
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| 01:29.45 | liable | lordnazgu: you can set it in interfaces file too. |
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| 01:29.56 | lordnazgu | so if i iwconfig and specify essid and key then dhclient it should work? |
| 01:30.01 | joepoe | is debian amd64 better supported as ubuntu amd 64? |
| 01:30.04 | antgel | N0S3: people (me) are trying to help you and you go bleating on wasting other people's time. i'm not having a go for the sake of it. anyway i hope that helps. |
| 01:30.19 | liable | lordnazgu: should, yes. |
| 01:30.34 | lordnazgu | liable thx much ill give it another go' |
| 01:30.42 | liable | np |
| 01:30.50 | N0S3 | antgel: :) thanks to you also |
| 01:31.11 | antgel | abrotman: are you clocking my Productivity(tm)? |
| 01:31.14 | karsten | Weirdo: You want to play some shell tricks. Save the changeset to a shell variable, expand it as part of the package name. |
| 01:31.16 | amphi | lordnazgu: you could also specify the ap |
| 01:31.20 | liable | N0S3: there great howtos on the shorewall site. |
| 01:31.41 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite antgel |
| 01:31.42 | dpkg | antgel: You're nothing but a p*nis w*nking j*rk! |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | antgel: -23\ |
| 01:31.51 | liable | my head hurts |
| 01:32.14 | N0S3 | liable:ok |
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| 01:33.30 | Weirdo | karsten: so basically write a script that gets the svn version, then write it into the control file? |
| 01:33.33 | cheal | !tell joepoe about amd64 |
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| 01:33.39 | karsten | Weirdo: Yes. |
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| 01:34.07 | Weirdo | karsten: is there a debuild (or other dpkg dev script) command line switch for appending it? or does it have to be in the control file? |
| 01:34.13 | joepoe | cheal: ehmm shouldn't there be a amd64 version since sarge is already released? |
| 01:34.17 | karsten | Weirdo: NFC. |
| 01:34.22 | XS4-6096 | when i try change permission to /mnt/hdb i got: Changing the attributes of files is not supported with protocol devices. |
| 01:34.25 | karsten | Weirdo: You might want to ask #debian-devel. |
| 01:34.32 | Guerin | stupendo44: just ask your question |
| 01:34.38 | antgel | !wayttd XS4-6096 |
| 01:34.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, XS4-6096? |
| 01:34.43 | stupendo44 | ok, here goes... |
| 01:34.47 | joepoe | cheal: and would it still be possible to run 32 bit applications? |
| 01:34.53 | cheal | joepoe: but etch isn't released yet |
| 01:35.00 | karsten | XS4-6096: What's /mnt/hdb? |
| 01:35.12 | cheal | joepoe: did you see the IRC channel in the factoid? |
| 01:35.17 | XS4-6096 | its mu sec disk |
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| 01:35.59 | karsten | XS4-6096: English? |
| 01:36.02 | liable | XS4-6096: you set permissions in fstab or when you mount it. |
| 01:36.19 | joepoe | cheal I'm used to 32 bit usage. I just bought a 64amd, ready to install debian, but I'm wondering about applications such as firefox, with java,flashplugin-nonfree, mplayer-plugin etc... |
| 01:36.30 | joepoe | cheal: will those work? |
| 01:36.31 | karsten | XS4-6096: ... or as close to it as you can get with yoru New Jersey handicap. |
| 01:36.33 | cheal | joepoe: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 01:36.35 | lordnazgu | Liable: would i just specify the psk as the option: key s:password? |
| 01:36.43 | antgel | joepoe: there is an debian amd64 faq. plus if you're boring like me, i386 debian works great |
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| 01:37.03 | blunted | hey can someone help me |
| 01:37.09 | blunted | i am trying to fix my sound |
| 01:37.10 | stupendo44 | On the FAT32 file system: I understand how the chaining together of clusters works, and I understand about the directories, but I don't understand why the directory says that the starting cluster of "file1.txt" is cluster 3, when it really starts at 2054 (or something). Where is it defined where cluster 0 is in this context. The FAT is at real-cluster 6, and the directory entry is about 32 clusters before my first file. |
| 01:37.11 | karsten | !ask |
| 01:37.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:37.12 | blunted | and this happens |
| 01:37.12 | liable | lordnazgu: yeah iwconfig key xxxx xxxx blah |
| 01:37.15 | blunted | blunted@crackrock:~/Downloads/emu10k1-v0.20a$ make |
| 01:37.15 | blunted | make -Cscripts |
| 01:37.15 | blunted | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/blunted/Downloads/emu10k1-v0.20a/scripts' |
| 01:37.15 | blunted | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/build directory does not exist. Please edit the file 'config' |
| 01:37.15 | blunted | in this directory and set KERNEL_SOURCE to the correct location of your |
| 01:37.15 | *** part/#debian blunted (i=blunted@c-71-56-77-92.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 01:37.21 | karsten | !tell blunted about sound |
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| 01:37.30 | antgel | karsten: too late |
| 01:37.32 | blunted | make[1]: *** [get_version] Error 1 |
| 01:37.33 | blunted | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/blunted/Downloads/emu10k1-v0.20a/scripts' |
| 01:37.35 | blunted | make: *** [opts] Error 2 |
| 01:37.41 | liable | blunted: idiot |
| 01:37.42 | antgel | blunted: stop you gimp |
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| 01:37.45 | karsten | !tell blunted about flood |
| 01:37.47 | cheal | shrug |
| 01:37.53 | karsten | !tell blunted about paster |
| 01:37.57 | lordnazgu | liable: i get unrecognised wireless request "s:password" |
| 01:38.05 | blunted | karsten, are you going to help me |
| 01:38.21 | karsten | blunted: Read what I just sent you and stop flooding channel. |
| 01:38.25 | blunted | look ass |
| 01:38.26 | blunted | i read it |
| 01:38.29 | blunted | and it didnt help me |
| 01:38.30 | liable | lordnazgu: you should have a 16 bit? key not s:password |
| 01:38.34 | karsten | blunted: That would be a no. |
| 01:38.36 | antgel | blunted: you're the ass |
| 01:38.38 | stupendo44 | "look ass"... lol |
| 01:38.40 | Phated | sward: ? |
| 01:38.44 | findme | gimp ass moron stupid junk shit |
| 01:38.55 | stupendo44 | findme: now, now... let's not get upset |
| 01:38.56 | findme | good enough I want more |
| 01:39.02 | blunted | OOH I GOT IGNORED!@1 |
| 01:39.13 | stupendo44 | blunted: apparently, you didn't want help... |
| 01:39.13 | liable | lordnazgu: it is wep, not wpa? |
| 01:39.14 | sward | Phated: Err, somenhing |
| 01:39.19 | Phated | sward: Heh. |
| 01:39.20 | antgel | blunted: if you're not trolling, not much of a way to ask for help, is it? |
| 01:39.30 | stupendo44 | blunted: that's not the attitude of someone who wants help |
| 01:39.33 | blunted | yes it is |
| 01:39.38 | lordnazgu | liable: ok how do i get it?, no it iw wpa |
| 01:39.44 | stupendo44 | blunted: in #whiners it is... |
| 01:39.44 | sward | Phated: Oh, that was it, someone was claiming no females IRC'd |
| 01:39.44 | blunted | its the attitude of someone whos been trying to fix his sound all day |
| 01:39.48 | blunted | to no avail |
| 01:39.51 | Phated | sward: Ah. |
| 01:39.53 | antgel | blunted: it's not the attitude of someone who *gets* help |
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| 01:40.08 | blunted | im sure you have all the answers man. |
| 01:40.09 | karsten | Phated: I think they meant _nice_. |
| 01:40.18 | liable | lordnazgu: its wpa? |
| 01:40.18 | stupendo44 | blunted: you need to be polite and folow the rules if you want to recieve help |
| 01:40.19 | antgel | blunted: don't man me |
| 01:40.20 | stupendo44 | *receive |
| 01:40.22 | Phated | karsten: Nice? |
| 01:40.24 | lordnazgu | liable yes |
| 01:40.27 | blunted | ok then bitch. |
| 01:40.36 | liable | lordnazgu: then you need wpasupplicant |
| 01:40.39 | stupendo44 | blunted: now there you go again... |
| 01:40.45 | karsten | Phated: Never thought I'd see that word cross your lips. |
| 01:40.45 | blunted | lalala |
| 01:40.47 | antgel | blunted: please stop being abusive |
| 01:40.53 | blunted | whatever |
| 01:40.56 | Phated | karsten: Heh. |
| 01:41.07 | blunted | /ignore is a handy feature |
| 01:41.09 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 01:41.09 | dpkg | whatever is, like, what one says when one is tired of beating ones head against a wall of ignorancepedantry |
| 01:41.10 | lordnazgu | liable yes ive been trying to figure it out but the documentation is kinda un-useful |
| 01:41.23 | antgel | blunted: yes you're making me rubberneck |
| 01:41.30 | toucan | is there a realplay package for debian? |
| 01:41.39 | karsten | toucan: Yes. Installer support. |
| 01:41.41 | stupendo44 | blunted: many people think /ignore is handy... |
| 01:41.42 | Guerin | blunted: if I can give you instructions which, if followed, will fix your sound, will you leave #debian for good? |
| 01:41.53 | liable | lordnazgu: the sample config is pretty good. /j #flood i'll show you mine |
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| 01:41.59 | blunted | well, that sounds like a kush deal |
| 01:42.16 | toucan | karsten, as in, from realplayer's website, not debian's? |
| 01:42.18 | karsten | Phated: What's playing? |
| 01:42.31 | Phated | karsten: Someone's sent me a set of Queer As Folk. |
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| 01:42.35 | karsten | toucan: It's a Debian package. It gets RP from Real's website. |
| 01:42.44 | karsten | Phated: OK. Heard of it, never seen. |
| 01:42.51 | Phated | karsten: Me too. :) We'll see. |
| 01:42.56 | toucan | is it available for sarge? |
| 01:43.10 | Guerin | blunted: what kernel and sound card do you have |
| 01:43.10 | toucan | i can't find anything starting 'real' in the package manager |
| 01:43.12 | sward | Hehee |
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| 01:43.25 | antgel | toucan: it's in contrib |
| 01:43.32 | karsten | toucan: Package == realplayer. contrib. |
| 01:43.35 | blunted | Sound Blaster Audigy |
| 01:43.38 | karsten | !tell toucan about p.d.o. |
| 01:43.58 | Guerin | blunted: you didn't answer my question |
| 01:44.00 | blunted | Linux 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 01:44.02 | cheal | realplayer is in contrib? |
| 01:44.17 | karsten | cheal: No, we're just lying in collusion to mess with your head. |
| 01:44.24 | antgel | hmm, now i can't find it either |
| 01:44.25 | Tracy_P | I would like to install the "fluxter" available here: http://benedict.isomedia.com/homes/stevencooper/projects/fluxter.html |
| 01:45.02 | Tracy_P | Configure didn't work on my box. |
| 01:45.05 | cheal | karsten: ah, as always |
| 01:45.08 | blunted | Guerin, ?/ |
| 01:45.15 | Guerin | blunted: step 1: install a 2.6 series kernel. step 2: find which alsa module your card uses and put it in /etc/modules. step 3: reboot. |
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| 01:45.26 | antgel | Tracy_P: we need to see the errors. /msg dpkg paster |
| 01:45.34 | blunted | such fantastic help |
| 01:45.39 | blunted | foad. |
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| 01:46.05 | antgel | Tracy_P: there's a .deb there. not tempted to use that? |
| 01:46.07 | Guerin | blunted: no, that really is what you need to do. |
| 01:46.10 | karsten | Tracy_P: You likely need build lib support. You might want to try auto-apt. |
| 01:46.16 | Tracy_P | Not tempted that, not sure how. |
| 01:46.32 | antgel | blunted: you really made us want to bend over backwards. nb guerin's advice is 100% accurate |
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| 01:46.41 | karsten | Tracy_P: man dpkg |
| 01:46.48 | antgel | Tracy_P: download it. then dpkg -i. man dpkg |
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| 01:47.59 | blunted | what does this mean |
| 01:48.00 | blunted | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/build directory does not exist. Please edit the file 'config' |
| 01:48.00 | blunted | in this directory and set KERNEL_SOURCE to the correct location of your |
| 01:48.00 | blunted | kernel source. |
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| 01:48.14 | liable | !moron blunted |
| 01:48.15 | dpkg | blunted: You are moron #41 |
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| 01:49.02 | blunted | liable, why dont you come to atlanta and say that? |
| 01:49.15 | blan | hello can anybody help me with debain 3.1 and two networkcards? plz |
| 01:49.15 | antgel | blunted: why so much anger? |
| 01:49.17 | sward | Hmm, <injoke>shouldn't that be !resiak blunted?</injoke> |
| 01:49.31 | antgel | !tell blan about ask |
| 01:49.46 | liable | blunted: fuck off. why dont you stop flooding the fucking channel, and you wouldnt be called a moron? |
| 01:49.53 | blunted | come to atlanta boy |
| 01:49.54 | dondelelcaro | blunted: build is just a symlink to the kernel build directory. It often doesn't exist. |
| 01:49.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:49.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@pdpc/supporter/active/liable] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:49.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:49.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:49.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-71-56-77-92.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 01:50.13 | dondelelcaro | blunted, liable: use /ignore instead of yelling at eachother please. |
| 01:50.40 | dondelelcaro | you'll be -q'ed in 10 minutes. |
| 01:50.44 | antgel | dondelelcaro: have you been following since his entrance? and *what* an entrance |
| 01:51.11 | antgel | blunted: you agreed to leave if Guerin gave you the advice you needed to fix your sound. |
| 01:51.33 | antgel | well, entrance*s* |
| 01:51.37 | blan | hello im have a problem with debian v3.1 and my two networkcards - i can only connect to the internet if i restart the network manually - plz help me |
| 01:51.49 | cheal | antgel: I'd just reread what don said. "use /ignore instead of yelling at eachother please." |
| 01:51.59 | pngwn | q |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | blan: laptop ? |
| 01:52.27 | antgel | cheal: true enough, but what an arse. and he *still* got the help he needed |
| 01:52.45 | blan | (abrotman): no server |
| 01:52.50 | cheal | antgel: just think about that the next time you play a FPS |
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| 01:53.14 | antgel | cheal: chance would be a fine thing. my gamecube is gathering dust |
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| 01:53.24 | Cars | http://www.LuxuryCarForums.com |
| 01:53.25 | Cars | New Luxury Car Forum... join today! |
| 01:53.25 | Massaki | How can I see my open doors ? |
| 01:53.29 | Massaki | netstat ? |
| 01:53.39 | karsten | !ops Cars spam |
| 01:53.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Cars spam |
| 01:54.03 | antgel | ooh, *luxury* cars. that does sound good |
| 01:54.06 | cheal | antgel: ok, when you trash your gamecube then |
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| 01:55.04 | antgel | cheal: never! i'm a nintendo fanboy |
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| 01:56.04 | abrotman | thingfish: you came back! |
| 01:56.13 | cheal | antgel: you must be a poor nintendo fanboy. what's your best uptime? |
| 01:56.34 | thingfish | abrotman: heh yes, once I was done flightsimming I had to get back to a real o.s. |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | thingfish: htere's a flightsim for linux |
| 01:56.52 | antgel | cheal: not enough. tbh real life took over about four years ago and i haven't played many games since |
| 01:57.00 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, I know, but it's lacking. |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | more than one |
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| 01:57.23 | abrotman | antgel: i spent 6 hours today playing a single game :) |
| 01:57.30 | thingfish | wow |
| 01:57.43 | karsten | abrotman: So did I. |
| 01:57.47 | karsten | abrotman: ... it's called IRC. |
| 01:57.51 | blan | hello im have a problem with debian v3.1 and my two networkcards - i can only connect to the internet if i restart the network manually - plz help me |
| 01:57.51 | cheal | antgel: allright. then there's always a good AOL CDs party left |
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| 01:58.47 | Tracy_P | I used the dpkg -i f...deb, I'm up and running |
| 01:58.49 | Tracy_P | thanks |
| 01:58.53 | antgel | abrotman: that takes me back. i used to play championship manager 2, 3, and most versions until 2002, for dangerously long periods, but offset the bad effects of the computer with a few joints |
| 01:59.11 | antgel | Tracy_P: you need to say antgel: thanks otherwise it's bad for my Productivity(tm) |
| 01:59.29 | antgel | it's a police state |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. i did that too |
| 01:59.56 | antgel | abrotman: you remind me of someone at my old job who seemed to have infinite time |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | antgel: thank you |
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| 02:00.23 | abrotman | antgel: i don't have infinite time .. i sleep .. kind of :) |
| 02:00.29 | koshnaranek | antgel who do we have to thank for the police state? inclined to hazard a guess? |
| 02:00.36 | antgel | abrotman: i feel the karma flowing through my veins |
| 02:00.47 | abrotman | antgel: thank you |
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| 02:00.55 | antgel | !kingsleysmite koshnaranek |
| 02:00.56 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer koshnaranek: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.930067753742577! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 02:01.09 | antgel | abrotman: no no, thank *you* :D |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | antgel: you're the best .. thank you! |
| 02:01.24 | blan | hello im have a problem with debian v3.1 and my two networkcards - i can only connect to the internet if i restart the network manually - plz help me |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | blan: do they both come up at boot time? |
| 02:01.43 | koshnaranek | that /is/ indeed a mightly long drop |
| 02:01.43 | antgel | the channel Productivity(tm) is improving by the line |
| 02:01.52 | blan | (abrotman): yes |
| 02:02.07 | Tracy_P | antgel, thanks for helping me with dpkg, karsten, thanks suggesting the man page |
| 02:02.10 | abrotman | blan: but they don't get IPs ? |
| 02:02.19 | koshnaranek | Dave, why dont you take a stress pill and we can discuss this. |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for being british! |
| 02:02.37 | antgel | Tracy_P: don't forget to thank abrotman! he has Productivity(tm) issues |
| 02:02.43 | Daveman | koshnaranek, who me? |
| 02:02.49 | Tracy_P | antgel, thanks for correcting my oversite |
| 02:02.52 | blan | (abrotman): domains where translate to ips, but i can't connect to it :( |
| 02:02.59 | koshnaranek | Dave Bowman, resident wise guy. |
| 02:03.04 | Daveman | :p |
| 02:03.05 | abrotman | blan: huh ? |
| 02:03.10 | antgel | abrotman: is that lettuce topping? thanks but no thanks |
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| 02:03.16 | blan | (abrotman): ? |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | blan: i think you missed a word |
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| 02:03.28 | blan | (abrotman): ?? |
| 02:03.31 | koshnaranek | moral of the story: GET OUT OF OUR GALAXY! |
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| 02:03.38 | abrotman | !cheesesteak antgel |
| 02:03.41 | Daveman | :P |
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| 02:03.51 | Daveman | abrotman: winnar! |
| 02:03.56 | Buddha| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.05 | antgel | mmm, grease |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | blan: the machine gets an IP based on its name ? |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 02:05.02 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | everyone see that?!? |
| 02:05.19 | blan | (abrotman): when i start "wget www.debian.org" -> its cant connect but wget has translate www.debain.org to 192.25.206.10 |
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| 02:05.42 | abrotman | blan: oh .. i think i understand .. you're saying your DNS doesn't work right away when you boot ? |
| 02:05.47 | cheal | abrotman: do you mean we can't have 2.6.15 yet? |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | cheal: i didn't make the iso damn it |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | oh carp .. there goes my productivity |
| 02:06.10 | blan | hrm.. why DNS? it can translate the adress? |
| 02:06.19 | antgel | (tm) |
| 02:06.20 | abrotman | blan: are you on the system now ? |
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| 02:06.26 | blan | (abrotman): yes |
| 02:06.34 | cheal | abrotman: dman right |
| 02:06.36 | abrotman | blan: so if you reboot it .. you're gonna go poof ? |
| 02:06.36 | blan | (abrotman): since 2h :( |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | blan: so your system has an IP .. and dns works .. but nothing works ? |
| 02:07.07 | blan | (abrotman): poof? |
| 02:07.12 | Daveman | heh |
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| 02:07.28 | blan | (abrotman): yes i can't connect to the internet but i can ping local pcs |
| 02:07.57 | antgel | blan: can the other pcs connect through that router? |
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| 02:08.17 | blan | (abrotman): yes i'm online :) |
| 02:08.20 | *** part/#debian oeEuoiip (n=unhiie@201.135.146.195) |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | blan: is your route/gateway setup correctly ? |
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| 02:08.27 | blan | (abrotman): yes |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | so everything works .. but actual applications ? |
| 02:08.44 | warreng | so exim4 comes with debian by default, right? what's a good pop3 server that works well with debian/exim? imap? |
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| 02:08.51 | blan | (abrotman): if i type "ifconfig eth1 down" and "ifconfig eth1 up" it works |
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| 02:09.11 | abrotman | blan: what about /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 02:09.24 | blan | (abrotman): moment |
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| 02:09.28 | antgel | blan: could be weird boot timing thing. i have a machine where ntpdate doesn't work on startup as the ethernet driver is slow |
| 02:09.32 | Newbiedoo | Would someone tell me where i can get Immunix? |
| 02:09.32 | Zugschlus | warreng: I would use dovecot |
| 02:09.37 | warreng | ? |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | !d-i Newbiedoo |
| 02:09.44 | dpkg | Newbiedoo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:09.52 | antgel | warreng: um, pop != imap and courier, cyrus, dovecot are all commonly used |
| 02:10.12 | Newbiedoo | I want to try Immunix :) |
| 02:10.26 | abrotman | Newbiedoo: then ask the channel that supports immunix .. we don't |
| 02:10.29 | blan | (abrotman): *reboot* and restart network |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | blan: well .. you can just start by /etc/init.d/networking restart .. then if that still works .. try the same thing with a reboot |
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| 02:10.55 | antgel | Newbiedoo: i think it may be commercial now |
| 02:11.40 | madradrone | abrotman: blkid <disk partition>, the set UUID=<id> in place of device name in fstab. it works! |
| 02:11.46 | Newbiedoo | I heard Novell bought it. I would still like to get a copy of it. An old copy would still be good. |
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| 02:11.49 | abrotman | madradrone: say what?!!?!? |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | Newbiedoo: ask ##linux |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | madradrone: oh .. you were the devlabel guy :) |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | maybe |
| 02:12.21 | madradrone | abrotman: earlier was talking about devlabel as way to have persistent names for drives |
| 02:12.37 | abrotman | madradrone: what now ? |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | madradrone: disneyworld ? |
| 02:12.48 | blan | (abrotman): Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | blan: and intarweb is broken again ? |
| 02:13.06 | blindboygrunt | hello all, i know this is most likely a stupid question - but i can only play dvd's as root, and not as myself even though I have added myself into the video group and logged out and in again |
| 02:13.19 | Newbiedoo | I tried #linux and it was just too busy in there. I felt that I was being stalked by a bunch of auctioneers ........... |
| 02:13.21 | madradrone | abrotman: using the UUID obviates the need for something like devlabel. |
| 02:13.23 | blan | (abrotman): yes :( |
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| 02:13.46 | abrotman | blan: and if you do the ifdown/up thing again ? |
| 02:13.49 | antgel | blindboygrunt: are you in the cdrom group? |
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| 02:14.10 | blan | (abrotman): ifoconfig eth1 down / up ? |
| 02:14.19 | abrotman | blan: yes |
| 02:14.22 | madradrone | abrotman: very useful if you attack a lot of different external devices, like usb drives, and want to keep them all consistent |
| 02:14.28 | blindboygrunt | antgel: not sure - i'll check |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | madradrone: ah .. i just have my camera and an external drive |
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| 02:14.41 | warreng | Zugschlus: know if dovecot would let me setup "virtual mailboxes"? i.e. i don't want to have every e-mail address mapped to a local mail box.... |
| 02:14.41 | blan | (abrotman): it works fine o_O |
| 02:14.49 | warreng | err local unix account |
| 02:14.55 | antgel | warreng: cyrus does but it's a beast |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | blan: can you paste your interfaces file in #flood ? |
| 02:15.06 | Zugschlus | warreng: yes |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | liable: you are |
| 02:15.11 | thingfish | hth did liable get banned? |
| 02:15.18 | madradrone | abrotman: if you ever use them simultaneously then this could be helpful, as it won't matter which you connect first... |
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| 02:15.20 | antgel | thingfish: ^^ |
| 02:15.22 | blan | (abrotman): #flood = channel? |
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| 02:15.23 | abrotman | thingfish: yelling at a tard :) |
| 02:15.27 | abrotman | blan: yep |
| 02:15.32 | karsten | blan: Yes. |
| 02:15.46 | abrotman | madradrone: i think udev has similar capabilities |
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| 02:15.47 | warreng | Zugschlus: so with exim/dovecot i should be able to setup many many domains and accounts at those domains.... none of which actually map to a real local unix user? |
| 02:15.58 | thingfish | abrotman: oh |
| 02:15.58 | liable | abrotman: i am? |
| 02:16.00 | Zugschlus | warreng: yes |
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| 02:16.17 | abrotman | liable: you are! |
| 02:16.25 | liable | abrotman: yay! |
| 02:16.26 | not_cool | does anyone know when gnome 2.12 move to unstable? |
| 02:16.33 | blunted | am i unbanned yet |
| 02:16.36 | antgel | liable: thanks |
| 02:16.37 | thingfish | there's got to be a happy medium between being harsh and inhuman and over-coddling to cluebies. |
| 02:16.37 | blunted | hawhaw |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | not_cool: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:16.39 | antgel | blunted: no |
| 02:16.45 | liable | antgel: no, thank you |
| 02:16.46 | madradrone | abrotman: maybe, but with this it doesn't matter if you use udev or not, since every filesystem has its unique uuid and only requires the mount option (ie in fstab) |
| 02:16.47 | not_cool | k |
| 02:16.53 | not_cool | thnx |
| 02:17.01 | blunted | anyways |
| 02:17.06 | blindboygrunt | antgel: thanks mate! worked like a charm |
| 02:17.21 | blunted | who wants to tell me what that whole build error thing ment |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | madradrone: i can't believe you played with that all day |
| 02:17.25 | antgel | blindboygrunt: happy viewing |
| 02:17.48 | madradrone | abrotman: i didn't. i only had to discover the blkid tool and check the mount man page |
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| 02:17.55 | abrotman | madradrone: ah .. ok |
| 02:17.57 | ts2 | Is there a list of applications Sarge's version of Wine (0.0.20050310-1.1) (not the latest wine) can run? |
| 02:17.58 | antgel | blunted: nobody as there is no need to build alsa modules which are in your stock kernel image |
| 02:18.17 | blunted | u mean that em10k1 thing |
| 02:18.23 | blunted | is already there? |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | !tell blunted about u |
| 02:18.34 | antgel | ts2: the canonical list is on the upstream website, so probably not |
| 02:18.40 | blunted | u |
| 02:19.00 | antgel | blunted: okay, at this point my help is withdrawn |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | it took this long ? |
| 02:19.11 | blunted | ok then |
| 02:19.17 | blunted | im just gonna keep asking questions |
| 02:19.26 | abrotman | i can't believe schools generate crap like that |
| 02:19.32 | blunted | lol schools |
| 02:19.33 | blunted | hahahahaha |
| 02:19.40 | ts2 | antgel: It's my understanding that wine developers add stuff to wine that makes the most recent versions NOT run some apps that a more stable version (perhaps Sarge's) can run. |
| 02:19.48 | antgel | abrotman: thanks. i thought i'd give him another go |
| 02:19.57 | antgel | ts2: how about trying it? |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for withdrawing your help |
| 02:20.02 | blunted | i made money while you made grades |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | oh wait .. is this the bartender again ? |
| 02:20.33 | ts2 | antgel: there is too much tweaking and head-banging involved to do it in vain |
| 02:20.41 | thingfish | yeah, well, crack dealers without education make money. that doesn't make it admirable or desirable. |
| 02:20.49 | antgel | ts2: i fear you have no choice |
| 02:21.14 | blunted | shit, them trappers make fat rolls of money |
| 02:21.31 | ts2 | How come Cross-Over Office is not in Debian? It's GPL, isn't it? |
| 02:21.32 | blunted | you wouldnt know that stuff tho, cause you aint never been to that part of town |
| 02:21.37 | thingfish | yeah, but who wants to kill god's little innocent creatures just for their skins. |
| 02:21.50 | blunted | lol |
| 02:21.55 | zinx | ts2: uhhhm. No. |
| 02:22.02 | blunted | whitebread |
| 02:22.09 | blunted | taste good with peanut butter |
| 02:22.12 | zinx | ts2: afaik, it's commercial, even. |
| 02:22.23 | thingfish | no way. whole grains, only. |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | good thing he's making all that money ... |
| 02:23.20 | ts2 | zinx: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/source/ (read "Uses GPL" -> GPL) You can d/l source there as well |
| 02:23.21 | zinx | thingfish: whole/multi |
| 02:23.32 | thingfish | zinx: for sure |
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| 02:23.54 | abrotman | potato! |
| 02:23.58 | thingfish | abrotman: my position on lightbright has changed to one of pity. |
| 02:24.32 | thingfish | white bread is poison. well, except real french baguettes. and italian bread. |
| 02:24.32 | blunted | i think abrotman likes to talk junk when hes behind a computer monitor. but wouldnt do it otherwise. |
| 02:24.34 | ts2 | well? |
| 02:24.46 | daft | I want to create a custom made linux bootable cd to use at college how can i best going to do that? |
| 02:24.50 | antgel | thingfish: yes! but lettuce is worse |
| 02:25.01 | zinx | ts2: that confuses me. see http://www.codeweavers.com/products/pricing/ |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | blunted: actually .. i do .. so you can shut up now :) |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. she's "at work" :) |
| 02:25.49 | blunted | then come to atlanta :D |
| 02:25.50 | thingfish | antgel: now, partially, that's right. But my dad grows *real* lettuces in his garden, and they're actually nutritious. |
| 02:25.51 | ts2 | zinx: they charge for GPLed products |
| 02:26.01 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 02:26.11 | antgel | daft: nothing to do with debian. i do recall one in particular that has a meta-framework for that kind of stuff |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | blunted: you are the bartender! |
| 02:26.35 | blunted | nope |
| 02:26.39 | blunted | im the trapstar |
| 02:26.52 | antgel | abrotman: did you see that? thingfish thinks that some lettuces have taste and nutrition! (thanks) |
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| 02:26.56 | abrotman | is that the new term for 'short bus special' ? |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | antgel: thank you . i did not know that |
| 02:27.14 | zinx | ts2: dunno. seems pretty shaky to me. |
| 02:27.22 | blunted | oh wow a short bus joke |
| 02:27.24 | ts2 | zinx: but why? |
| 02:27.26 | antgel | abrotman: even better - thingfish *thanks* that lettuce has taste |
| 02:27.37 | blunted | omg! |
| 02:27.48 | blunted | LOLERZ! |
| 02:27.52 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. thank you for the great pun! |
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| 02:28.06 | thingfish | some of them do, really. Don't ask me the varieties he plants, but he gets them young and they're nice and bitter and tender... |
| 02:28.19 | antgel | abrotman: i thank it's a pretty funny one. must be the tiredness making me go the extra mile |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | antgel: thank goodness it's so late! |
| 02:28.41 | antgel | :D |
| 02:28.43 | thingfish | we also eat dandelion greens. |
| 02:28.44 | Blackblade | hi all.. who can i find the actually sources list for woody and sarge? |
| 02:28.51 | thingfish | they make a superior salad. |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | Blackblade: apt-setup |
| 02:29.08 | ts2 | zinx: that's the whole point of GPL. If you distribute a product using GPLed sources (not belonging to you), you have to distribute the source under GPL as well (which they do @ the link I posted). No one bothered to actually take that source and package it into ... Debian. |
| 02:29.09 | Blackblade | ah thanx |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | romaine is better than iceberg .. not by much |
| 02:29.41 | Phoenix_Zero | yay! lettuce |
| 02:29.47 | blunted | so anthony where are you from? |
| 02:29.56 | thingfish | the trick is in mixing in stuff like escarole and endive and arugula and all that. |
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| 02:30.23 | antgel | thingfish: send me a sample! i thanks i'd love to try it |
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| 02:30.29 | thingfish | mix in bitter-ish greens with say, butter lettuce, and yum. |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | !cheesesteak antgel |
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| 02:30.44 | Cars | http://www.LuxuryCarForums.com |
| 02:31.04 | antgel | abrotman: i thanks that's enough of your greasy cheese for one night |
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| 02:31.29 | abrotman | antgel: yeah .. thank goodness .. wouldn't want you to get heart disease ... thanks for stopping me |
| 02:31.31 | zinx | ts2: there's a lot i don't care to explain to you |
| 02:31.38 | zinx | ts2: of my reasoning behind 'shaky' |
| 02:31.42 | thingfish | and you don't weigh it down with a heavy dressing. Best quality extra virgin olive oil you can afford, a touch of vinegar, some salt, a grind of pepper... |
| 02:32.00 | thingfish | maybe a little real parmiggiano reggiano or pecorino romano... |
| 02:32.10 | thingfish | aack |
| 02:32.17 | daft | cars: your going to make /etc/init.d/turnkey and /etc/init.d/breaks ? |
| 02:32.25 | antgel | thingfish: oh yeah. i generally have a little salt and vinegar on salad |
| 02:32.31 | ts2 | zinx: whatever, you didn't even know they had sources on their web site |
| 02:32.47 | antgel | please stop bitching. |
| 02:32.50 | thingfish | mmm, hmm salt + vinegar + olive oil. |
| 02:32.51 | zinx | ts2: no, i didn't. |
| 02:32.57 | zinx | ts2: and the sources on the website could be packaged |
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| 02:33.22 | zinx | ts2: that will require a package maintainer, and someone who can put it in the repository |
| 02:33.59 | antgel | i'd have a crack at that one, but i'm sure there's a reason it can't go in otherwise it would have by now |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | antgel: ? |
| 02:34.43 | zinx | antgel: i didn't download the tarball, but codeweavers appears to have released their code under the GPL for that specific version |
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| 02:34.54 | antgel | abrotman: packaging crossover office |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:35.12 | blunted | somebody wanna help me fix my sound |
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| 02:35.29 | lightbright | hi |
| 02:35.29 | lightbright | when I burn a DVD or CD-RW, should I chose Joliet and Rock Ridge, or just Rock Ridge? |
| 02:35.53 | blockd | lightbright: I think you need Joliet too if you ever want to play it on Windows |
| 02:35.54 | amphi | lightbright: joliet are the microsoft long filename extensions I believe |
| 02:35.56 | antgel | i'm confused. "CodeWeavers uses several projects that are licensed under either the GPL or LGPL..." so what's so special? configuration? some linkage between the components? |
| 02:36.02 | zinx | ts2: note that there are a lot of different liceneses involved here, and that codeweaver's wine tree may have been forked before the license change, which would let them license it pretty much any way they want (see cedega) |
| 02:36.24 | zinx | antgel: tcl/tk, etc. |
| 02:36.43 | antgel | zinx: um, and that's *good*? |
| 02:36.48 | lightbright | amphi: when you burn a DVD or CD-RW, is your Joliet and Rock Ridge both ticked? |
| 02:36.50 | zinx | antgel: that specific thing? no ;) |
| 02:37.02 | Massaki | where can I learn about netstat command? there is something more friendly-user than MAN ? |
| 02:37.05 | zinx | i wouldn't mind it if tcl died a horrible death |
| 02:37.14 | blockd | lightbright: sounds like you're using k3b... I tick them both |
| 02:37.16 | antgel | Massaki: man is wha you need |
| 02:37.20 | blockd | doesn't blow anything up |
| 02:37.34 | lightbright | blockd: so both are selected all the time? |
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| 02:37.45 | liable | !fgi netstat+newbie+tutorial |
| 02:37.56 | liable | meh |
| 02:38.00 | Phoenix_Zero | hiya, would somebody be able to help me get vnc working correctly? I need to be able to connect to my debian linux box from my windows box in full color and high resolution (ie, above 800x600). Right now I can get it to connect but the resolution is very small and it won't let me change the resolution |
| 02:38.05 | blockd | lightbright: amphi pretty much summed up what it's there for |
| 02:38.08 | lightbright | blockd: and how come some ISO files gnomebaker or k3b doesnt read as an ISO? Only ms windows and Nero does! Any ideas? |
| 02:38.24 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: do you want to connect to an existing x session or a new session? |
| 02:38.41 | amphi | lightbright: I burn with cdrecord & mkisofs, and I use rockridge only, unless the cd needs to be read on a windows machine |
| 02:38.56 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: doesnt matter to me, whichever I can get to work correctly |
| 02:39.02 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: which do you suggest? |
| 02:39.06 | lightbright | amphi: I got it, thanks :) |
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| 02:39.29 | lightbright | amphi: so its best I have both ticked then in case |
| 02:39.44 | lightbright | amphi: and how come some ISO files gnomebaker or k3b doesnt read as an ISO? Only ms windows and Nero does! Any ideas? |
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| 02:39.53 | giver | hello |
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| 02:40.12 | blockd | lightbright: it's a little extra space, but I find it useful. |
| 02:40.16 | Tortel | Is etch a good version to upgrade to? |
| 02:40.21 | amphi | lightbright: no, I've never seen either of those programs - what does file think they are? |
| 02:40.22 | Tortel | Or should I stay with Sarge |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | Tortel: depends on the day of the week |
| 02:40.28 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: i prefer to connect to my existing desktop. you need the package x11vnc. my xsession contains x11vnc -forever -display :0 -scale 1200/1600 & as the first line, then exec wmaker as the second |
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| 02:40.39 | giver | does anybody know how to execute suexec using mod_security in chroot? i get always (2)No such file or directory: exec of '/usr/lib/apache2/suexec2' failed |
| 02:40.46 | Tortel | how about today? |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | Tortel: do you use kde ? |
| 02:40.57 | Tortel | nope |
| 02:40.59 | Tortel | gnome |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | mine works fine .. today :) |
| 02:41.16 | mymayer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.27 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: window closed by mistake, please repeat last statement? |
| 02:41.33 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: note that that -scale is based on the fact i have a 1600-pixel wide desktop at work, and 1280 at home. so it scales server-side |
| 02:41.33 | abrotman | Tortel: Don't do that |
| 02:41.40 | blockd | lightbright: maybe they're just burned with Joliet extensions... not iso9660 and no RR |
| 02:41.41 | abrotman | Tortel: jump in all the way or not at all |
| 02:41.42 | cheal | mymayer: which "he" are you talking about? |
| 02:42.00 | Tortel | o SCREW IT! |
| 02:42.00 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: i prefer to connect to my existing desktop. you need the package x11vnc. my xsession contains x11vnc -forever -display :0 -scale 1200/1600 & as the first line, then exec wmaker as the second |
| 02:42.05 | Tortel | ill update overnight |
| 02:42.13 | cheal | Tortel: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerToday |
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| 02:42.41 | cheal | Tortel: which currently looks good. etch d-i beta1 has been OK for me |
| 02:42.44 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: can I configure this over ssh? I dont have physical access to said boxen |
| 02:42.53 | lightbright | blockd: ah ok |
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| 02:43.00 | lightbright | blockd: whats RR? |
| 02:43.23 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: then i don't see how you can have an existing desktop to connect to, unless you already run remote x sessions on that box? |
| 02:43.25 | blockd | lightbright: rock ridge |
| 02:43.30 | Tortel | cheal and/or others: Will I need to reboot after a upgrade to etch? |
| 02:43.42 | antgel | Tortel: not on your nelly |
| 02:43.42 | Tortel | nvm |
| 02:43.48 | Phoenix_Zero | the machine is running a desktop right now |
| 02:43.48 | Tortel | :O |
| 02:43.50 | Tortel | woo! |
| 02:43.50 | Phoenix_Zero | its running kde |
| 02:43.51 | cheal | probably to run its kernel |
| 02:43.54 | Phoenix_Zero | only problem is that its 50 miles away |
| 02:44.26 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: if you can ssh in, you can start x11vnc manually (and add it to .xsession for future convenience) |
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| 02:44.43 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: what is .xsession? |
| 02:44.56 | antgel | !tell Phoenix_Zero about xsession |
| 02:45.30 | Phoenix_Zero | should I already have a .xsession file? |
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| 02:46.00 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: not necessarily. if you create one, just add the x11vnc line as i suggested, and next line exec <window manager> |
| 02:46.14 | blockd | lightbright: but if you already have an ISO file, then the ISO already either has RR or doesn't. |
| 02:46.20 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: or you can leave it and run x11vnc manually via ssh when needed |
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| 02:46.49 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: allright Im going to try the x11vnc idea, would you mind helping me through it? |
| 02:47.24 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: i need to get to bed. my comments ^^ should really be enough. do you have the same resolution at both ends? |
| 02:47.38 | Tracy_P | Anyone have a recommendation for an IMAP setup for a home user with multiple email accounts and multiple workstations to check the emails from? I'm looking for the IMAP store. |
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| 02:48.01 | antgel | Tracy_P: i use courier. or you could try cyrus or dovecot. nb this was discussed ^^ |
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| 02:48.28 | khd | hi |
| 02:48.35 | Phoenix_Zero | antgel: yes I do, I will try what you have said. Thank you for the help |
| 02:48.37 | Phoenix_Zero | oh |
| 02:48.39 | Phoenix_Zero | important notes |
| 02:48.40 | Phoenix_Zero | *note |
| 02:48.47 | Phoenix_Zero | do I need to do any of this (besdies the install) as root? |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | who speaks german! |
| 02:49.43 | antgel | Phoenix_Zero: no. and as it's the same resolution, you can leave out the -scale 1200/1600. you can ssh in to the remote box and run x11vnc manually. if it doesn't work, just ^c it and run it with the correct options. good luck |
| 02:49.50 | liable | nein |
| 02:49.55 | antgel | !tell abrotman about de |
| 02:49.58 | antgel | :P |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | antgel: oh thank you! |
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| 02:50.19 | antgel | abrotman: no need to thank me |
| 02:50.29 | antgel | 'night all |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | anton: night |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | damn him! |
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| 02:51.42 | giver | could somebody tell me how to setup suexec for running in an apache chroot environment? |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | #apache ? |
| 02:53.04 | giver | Snake-Eyes: apache 2.0 |
| 02:53.09 | giver | ? |
| 02:53.19 | giver | - yes |
| 02:54.17 | giver | chrooted using mod_security |
| 02:54.24 | bsdboy | uh |
| 02:54.53 | giver | i always get: No such file or directory: exec of '/usr/lib/apache2/suexec2' failed |
| 02:54.56 | Phoenix_Zero | um...I dont seem to have a .xsession or a .xinitrc, would anyone mind helping me figure out what is currently determining the startup of my X? |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 02:56.33 | Phoenix_Zero | abrotman: ok, whats this? |
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| 02:56.49 | giver | on startup apache found the wrapper: suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec2) |
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| 02:57.24 | Phoenix_Zero | Im really confused |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: probably the way your system decides which WM to start for you |
| 02:57.43 | Phoenix_Zero | and when I try to start x11vnc it says "XOpenDisplay failed (null) |
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| 02:57.49 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: so just make the xsession file as antgel suggested |
| 02:57.53 | giver | once i try to execute a cgi i get a error 500 an the log entry shown above |
| 02:58.15 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: so how do I create an xsession file, I mean what to put in it? |
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| 02:59.26 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: /lastlog antgel, i think he told you |
| 02:59.55 | Phoenix_Zero | well I mean isnt there something like #! something or other I have to do |
| 03:00.03 | nxtw | in sarge, is there any way i can avoid installing X with unixodbc-dev |
| 03:00.05 | Phoenix_Zero | some kind of scripting thing? |
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| 03:00.36 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: yeah put #!/bin/sh at the top |
| 03:00.38 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I mean, I just dont really know what a lot of this stuff does/ how it works |
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| 03:00.54 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: Ive only written one other script and it didnt really work, could you please help me with this? |
| 03:01.12 | giver | Phoenix_Zero: set-language-env creates some files for xsessions |
| 03:01.21 | Phoenix_Zero | giver: I have no idea what that means |
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| 03:01.54 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: have a browse of /usr/share/X11-common/faq but yeah, i will try and help |
| 03:02.06 | liable | dpkg: say thanks liable |
| 03:02.07 | dpkg | thanks liable |
| 03:02.20 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: thank you, Im extremely short on time as of recently....75 hour work week and moving |
| 03:02.39 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: np |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: do you want to change what starts ? |
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| 03:03.07 | Phoenix_Zero | my day was lightened a bit by a crazy hobo trying to sell me "magic boots" for $500 |
| 03:03.14 | liable | hahaha |
| 03:03.32 | Phoenix_Zero | when I told him no he left the store looking very hurt |
| 03:03.35 | Phoenix_Zero | almost wounded |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: Leather Boots +5 agility ? |
| 03:04.01 | Phoenix_Zero | phuck |
| 03:04.06 | Phoenix_Zero | I should have used an identify spell |
| 03:04.08 | Phoenix_Zero | GOD DAMMIT |
| 03:04.23 | Phoenix_Zero | its where you never expect to get magic items that they always lie too |
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| 03:04.39 | Phoenix_Zero | Im bringing a scroll next time |
| 03:05.26 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: so after I create this thing and chmod +x it it should be what X uses to start kde right? |
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| 03:05.52 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: yup, you dont have kdm installed do you? |
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| 03:06.26 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: um...how do I check?.....and uh...whats kdm? |
| 03:06.40 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: dpkg -l kdm |
| 03:07.04 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: display manager, you know, graphical login.. |
| 03:07.07 | Phoenix_Zero | wow...no idea wtf this means |
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| 03:07.31 | Phoenix_Zero | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 03:07.31 | Phoenix_Zero | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 03:07.31 | Phoenix_Zero | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 03:07.31 | Phoenix_Zero | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 03:07.31 | Phoenix_Zero | +++-=================================-=================================-================================================================================== |
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| 03:07.39 | Phoenix_Zero | my bad |
| 03:07.41 | pureone | dont paste in here... |
| 03:07.42 | Phoenix_Zero | didnt mean to flood |
| 03:07.47 | Phoenix_Zero | forgot about that |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: we only need the last line |
| 03:07.57 | Phoenix_Zero | un kdm <none> (no description available) |
| 03:08.02 | Phoenix_Zero | what does that even mean? |
| 03:08.08 | rendi | hello can help me all |
| 03:08.09 | rendi | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 03:08.09 | rendi | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 03:08.09 | rendi | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 03:08.33 | Tortel | Any good FTP clients out there for gnome? |
| 03:08.41 | abrotman | Tortel: gwget |
| 03:08.53 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: that its not installed, do that with gdm too. |
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| 03:09.02 | secher | In trying to get ndiswrapper-utils, I have a broked dependency with ndiswrapper-modules. the modules have a version of 2.6.8. are they compatible with the 2.6.14 kernel I'm currently running? i.e., is the version number for the modules a kernel or merely coincidentally close to a kernel verison? |
| 03:09.13 | Tortel | ty |
| 03:09.35 | abrotman | Tortel: if that doesn't work .. just use firefox or something |
| 03:09.58 | Phoenix_Zero | rc gdm 2.6.0.8-1 GNOME Display Manager |
| 03:10.04 | Phoenix_Zero | what is dpkg? |
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| 03:10.09 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:10.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:10.19 | Tortel | abrotman: any uploading clients? |
| 03:10.23 | Tortel | other than gftp |
| 03:10.28 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: you might want to read the debian reference |
| 03:10.29 | Tortel | it chashes every 5 min |
| 03:10.32 | liable | !reference |
| 03:10.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 03:10.36 | crash3m_ | ncftpput |
| 03:10.40 | Phoenix_Zero | thanky liable |
| 03:10.52 | Phoenix_Zero | Im gonna make a link to that and read it thoroughly once I unpack some more stuff |
| 03:10.56 | Phoenix_Zero | moving is hell |
| 03:11.06 | liable | yeah, moving blows.. |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | Tortel: uhm .. lftp ? |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | !info lftp sarge |
| 03:11.25 | liable | you dont realise how much crap you have till you have to move it.. |
| 03:11.26 | dpkg | lftp: (Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client programs), section net, is optional. Version: 3.1.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 519 kB, Installed size: 1380 kB |
| 03:11.30 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | liable: no .. i know how much i have .. a metric assload :) |
| 03:11.47 | liable | hah |
| 03:12.48 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: ok...so I apparently have gdm installed and kdm not installed, correct? |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: no .. you had gdm installed |
| 03:13.10 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: nup gdm is uninstalled but configs left over |
| 03:13.17 | abrotman | Tortel: also . i think nautilus can do ftp |
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| 03:13.36 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: so .xsession should start x. |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | thingfish: your thingie is broken |
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| 03:14.22 | thingfish | abrotman: it was, for a while there. |
| 03:14.23 | liable | pringles! |
| 03:14.28 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: so what should I do? |
| 03:14.41 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: try startx |
| 03:14.52 | mr-pringle | hum, whare am i now |
| 03:15.06 | mr-pringle | lol im not on ef net |
| 03:15.06 | Phoenix_Zero | startx from an ssh session? |
| 03:15.08 | mr-pringle | lol |
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| 03:15.21 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: yeah, not as root though |
| 03:15.25 | mr-pringle | http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/ good song on i think it was |
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| 03:17.01 | Phoenix_Zero | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 03:17.28 | Phoenix_Zero | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
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| 03:17.34 | Phoenix_Zero | xinit: No such process (errno 3): unexpected signal 2. |
| 03:17.41 | Phoenix_Zero | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 03:17.46 | mr-pringle | ok that song sux everybody turn off |
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| 03:18.31 | amphi | mr-pringle: wtf? |
| 03:18.33 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 03:18.58 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: ack. |
| 03:19.09 | amphi | !greet nullvoid |
| 03:19.10 | dpkg | Hello, nullvoid |
| 03:19.11 | Phoenix_Zero | liable:dammit.. |
| 03:19.29 | mr-pringle | nothing,recomended a shouthcast c64 / amgia 8 bit radio station that decided to play bad techno instead of the good shit |
| 03:19.36 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: comment the vnc stuff in xsession. |
| 03:19.42 | Phoenix_Zero | why is it that every time I try to get linux running properly it dies? |
| 03:19.51 | abrotman | because you abuse .. just like that puppy |
| 03:19.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:20.03 | Phoenix_Zero | um, I dont have an xsession created past #!/bin/sh |
| 03:20.06 | nullvoid | how can I manage users.db and hosts.db in pam_abl http://www.hexten.net/pam_abl/ |
| 03:20.31 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: doh |
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| 03:20.57 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: sorry...we just didnt end up doing it, and I have no clue how to write one |
| 03:20.57 | diana | I'm on a laptop do I want mencoder-k6 or mencoder-686? |
| 03:21.06 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: sorry if I come off as an idiot, Im just stressed and new to this |
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| 03:21.28 | thingfish | diana: is it an amd-based or intel-based laptop? |
| 03:21.38 | liable | x11vnc -forever -display :0 -scale 1200/1600 & |
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| 03:21.50 | liable | exec gnome |
| 03:21.54 | Phoenix_Zero | wait |
| 03:21.58 | Phoenix_Zero | exec gnome? |
| 03:21.58 | diana | thingfish: intel |
| 03:21.59 | Phoenix_Zero | I want kde |
| 03:22.05 | Phoenix_Zero | so exec kde? |
| 03:22.06 | liable | kde then.. |
| 03:22.06 | abrotman | diana: is it fairly new ? |
| 03:22.10 | thingfish | diana: the i686 |
| 03:22.12 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: just making sure |
| 03:22.13 | diana | within a year |
| 03:22.17 | diana | k |
| 03:22.18 | Phoenix_Zero | and all that on one line? |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | !beer thingfish |
| 03:22.20 | Phoenix_Zero | or where are the breaks? |
| 03:22.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:22.30 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: two lines |
| 03:22.48 | diana | It was mencoder-k6 or mencoder-586 brw |
| 03:22.52 | diana | s/brw/btw |
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| 03:23.08 | thingfish | well then that throws EVERYTHING off. |
| 03:23.14 | thingfish | :/ |
| 03:24.01 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: exec startkde |
| 03:24.04 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: sorry |
| 03:24.11 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: so it should be |
| 03:24.15 | Phoenix_Zero | #!/bin/sh |
| 03:24.17 | Phoenix_Zero | NEXT LINE |
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| 03:24.27 | liable | the vnc bit |
| 03:24.35 | Phoenix_Zero | x11vnc -forever -display :0 -scale 1200/1600 & |
| 03:24.38 | Phoenix_Zero | NEXT LINE |
| 03:24.40 | liable | then the exec bit |
| 03:24.42 | Phoenix_Zero | exec startkde |
| 03:24.43 | Phoenix_Zero | right? |
| 03:24.47 | liable | yup |
| 03:24.59 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: wait |
| 03:25.11 | iostream | Hi. What mailserver has support for IMAP, virtual users and is *easy* to setup? |
| 03:25.15 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: yes? |
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| 03:25.23 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: you need to put your res.. 1200/1600.. |
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| 03:25.57 | thingfish | ugh...too much apple cake. |
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| 03:26.15 | Phoenix_Zero | so the line isnt "x11vnc -forever -display :0 -scale 1200/1600 &" |
| 03:26.15 | Phoenix_Zero | ? |
| 03:26.46 | liable | put whatever your resolution is.. |
| 03:26.59 | Phoenix_Zero | well the card can do that res |
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| 03:27.09 | Phoenix_Zero | so I assume its safe then, yes? |
| 03:27.15 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: but the monitor your looking at? |
| 03:27.20 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: oh ya |
| 03:27.30 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: it can do into the 2000s |
| 03:28.00 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: just try that then i guess.. |
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| 03:28.07 | Phoenix_Zero | so now what do I do? |
| 03:28.08 | Phoenix_Zero | startx? |
| 03:28.22 | liable | yeah try now. |
| 03:28.36 | Phoenix_Zero | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 03:28.40 | Phoenix_Zero | xinit: Server error. |
| 03:28.42 | Lilldude10 | hey laible |
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| 03:28.46 | liable | hi |
| 03:28.47 | Phoenix_Zero | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 03:28.54 | Lilldude10 | whats up? |
| 03:29.21 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: bah |
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| 03:29.43 | liable | Lilldude10: not much |
| 03:29.53 | ShockSMX | did windows release any updates for win2k after sp4? |
| 03:30.06 | Guerin | !hfswk ShockSMX |
| 03:30.09 | Guerin | !htfswk ShockSMX |
| 03:30.10 | dpkg | ShockSMX: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:30.27 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: whats going on? |
| 03:30.29 | ShockSMX | just because you don't know doesn't mean no one here knows |
| 03:30.42 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: i dunno, trying google. |
| 03:30.52 | abrotman | ShockSMX: wrong channel ? |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | ShockSMX: the question is how SHOULD we know, since this is a free software channel, not a windows shiteware channel. |
| 03:31.09 | Phoenix_Zero | ShockSMX: they did not |
| 03:31.16 | ShockSMX | Phoenix_Zero: thanks |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: don't tell him that |
| 03:31.37 | Phoenix_Zero | abrotman: well itll get him to stop asking wont it? |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: yeah.. but it will put more zombies on the internet :) |
| 03:31.56 | Phoenix_Zero | abrotman: lol |
| 03:31.56 | blindboygrunt | hello all - i is there anything special I have to do to get the 3d part of a voodoo3 cards working under x? |
| 03:32.04 | nevyn | Phoenix_Zero: by responding with useful information to offtopic enquiries you lower the s/n in this channel |
| 03:32.11 | Phoenix_Zero | nevyn: touche |
| 03:32.25 | Phoenix_Zero | ALL: SORRY ABOUT THAT |
| 03:32.42 | ShockSMX | you guys took that a lot more seriously than i expected |
| 03:32.50 | blindboygrunt | i see there are glide libraries but not sure if they apply to voodoo3 cards |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | ShockSMX: really .. go to microsoft.com .. you're asking the wrong group of people |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: i think they do |
| 03:34.00 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: can't find any clear info on how to implimet them into my X config |
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| 03:34.32 | abrotman | !tell blindboygrunt about 3dfx |
| 03:34.41 | deadcat | Shipment 1 Expected Delivery: 12/05/2005 Status: Available |
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| 03:34.49 | deadcat | is that mean it will be here on 1205? |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: may be out of date .. but should give you a start |
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| 03:35.04 | Guerin | deadcat: no. |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | deadcat: that's what it is intended to mean .. but expect it a few days later .. |
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| 03:35.42 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: thanks! |
| 03:35.48 | deadcat | damn |
| 03:35.57 | gtrplr | I installed sarge and need to setup wireless. I have no way of using wire at the moment. |
| 03:36.03 | blindboygrunt | i am already using the tdfx driver - but don't think that gives me any 3d support |
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| 03:36.15 | deadcat | taht suck. i ordered on wed i have to wait 2 weeks )= |
| 03:36.21 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: im lookin too...I cant find anything |
| 03:36.22 | deadcat | i HATE online shopping |
| 03:36.27 | deadcat | and i HATE rebate |
| 03:36.28 | Phoenix_Zero | wait... |
| 03:36.35 | Phoenix_Zero | I forgot to chmod +x the .xsession |
| 03:36.43 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: did you write the DRI section in XFree ? |
| 03:36.45 | deadcat | and if you put the 2 together.. oh shit.. thats gonna be some drama up in here |
| 03:36.53 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: never mind..it still gives the same thing |
| 03:37.04 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: nope |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: you might need to do that |
| 03:37.42 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:38.03 | ShockSMX | since you guys don't know this: yes, msft released an update rollup 1 for sp4. |
| 03:38.04 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: you have to be invited to #3dfx |
| 03:38.05 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: Im really confused now |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: well .. that makes it kind of hard to get in there doesn't it |
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| 03:38.34 | Alumni | Is there anyway to make wget report itself as something else? |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | ShockSMX: i knew that .. but you're too stupid to ask in the correct channel |
| 03:38.51 | gtrplr | what all do I need to d/l to get sarge working with wireless. I have built my kernel and d/l'ed ndis (installed) |
| 03:38.55 | ShockSMX | abrotman: i'm not. i ask in the channel in which people know the answer. |
| 03:38.57 | Alumni | I want it to give its agent as identical to that of Mozilla. |
| 03:38.58 | gtrplr | I am still not seeing anything |
| 03:39.03 | abrotman | (among a pile of other smaller updates ... and that still applies to SP4 iirc) |
| 03:39.05 | Guerin | ShockSMX: just stop |
| 03:39.08 | Guerin | honestly |
| 03:39.13 | abrotman | ShockSMX: really .. and you got the wrong answer didn't you .. dumbass |
| 03:39.15 | Guerin | we don't care, and we didn't know |
| 03:39.55 | blockd | Alumni: see the agent-string option |
| 03:39.57 | gtrplr | any wireless help tonight ? |
| 03:40.03 | ShockSMX | thank you, abrotman |
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| 03:40.12 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: for shits and giggles try it as root. |
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| 03:40.35 | Phoenix_Zero | do I need to have a different .xsession in root's home? |
| 03:40.42 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: sure does:P |
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| 03:41.11 | abrotman | !drxx blindboygrunt |
| 03:41.12 | dpkg | blindboygrunt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: and setup the DRI section when it asks you |
| 03:41.46 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: yeah, just copy it over. |
| 03:41.54 | blockd | Alumni: --user-agent-string or -U actually, but it's all there in the man page |
| 03:42.03 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: k, one sec |
| 03:42.31 | blockd | bah, I mean --user-agent but that's it for me now... |
| 03:43.15 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: thanks for your help |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: we'll see if it helps first :) |
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| 03:45.45 | sfullenwider | what package has "libmikmod.so.2" in it? |
| 03:45.46 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: root doesnt seem to have a home... |
| 03:45.51 | Phoenix_Zero | is it supposed to be /home/root ? |
| 03:46.00 | amphi | Phoenix_Zero: nope; /root |
| 03:46.04 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: huh? it /root, not /home/root :) |
| 03:46.05 | Phoenix_Zero | ahh thanks |
| 03:46.30 | amphi | Phoenix_Zero: /home is often on a separate partition, not guaranteed to be available |
| 03:46.32 | Guerin | sfullenwider: it's in the package 'apt-file'. |
| 03:46.41 | Guerin | sfullenwider: you can use apt-file search to locate it |
| 03:46.54 | Phoenix_Zero | I cant seem to copy it |
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| 03:47.06 | Phoenix_Zero | is it mv (source) (destination) or cp (source) (destination) ? |
| 03:47.14 | Phoenix_Zero | never mind |
| 03:47.16 | Phoenix_Zero | never mind |
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| 03:47.16 | Phoenix_Zero | lol |
| 03:47.24 | Phoenix_Zero | I keep thinking ls -l is the same as ls -a |
| 03:47.51 | Alumni | blockd: Thanks. |
| 03:48.12 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: it says "using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 03:48.19 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: ok - i have done this |
| 03:48.19 | Phoenix_Zero | it never mentions ".xsession" |
| 03:48.21 | abrotman | !tell sfullenwider about search |
| 03:48.24 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: and? |
| 03:48.30 | sfullenwider | apt-file is broken |
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| 03:48.38 | rendi | @find php |
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| 03:48.47 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: yeah it has to read that file.. |
| 03:48.53 | amphi | Phoenix_Zero: it will use ~/.xsession if it's there |
| 03:48.55 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: does it work? |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | !find libmikmod.so sarge |
| 03:48.58 | rendi | !info php |
| 03:49.03 | rendi | !find php |
| 03:49.04 | lordnazgu | liable u got a sec? |
| 03:49.05 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'php' (15 of 178): dh-make-php ;; egroupware-phpbrain ;; egroupware-phpldapadmin ;; egroupware-phpsysinfo ;; gphpedit ;; htcheck-php ;; libapache-mod-php4 ;; libapache-mod-php5 ;; libapache-mod-suphp ;; libapache2-mod-php4 ;; libapache2-mod-php5 ;; libapache2-mod-suphp ;; libphp-adodb ;; libphp-diogenes ;; libphp-jpgraph. |
| 03:49.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libmikmod.so' (3): (/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmikmod.so) in sound/xmms ;; (/usr/lib/libmikmod.so) in libdevel/libmikmod2-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libmikmod.so.2|libmikmod.so.2.0.4}) in libs/libmikmod2. |
| 03:49.11 | rendi | Package 'php' does not exist. |
| 03:49.12 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: direct renbering = yes! |
| 03:49.13 | rendi | what ?? |
| 03:49.19 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: this is good .. right ? |
| 03:49.22 | liable | lordnazgu: sure |
| 03:49.24 | Phoenix_Zero | I try to connect ot ip:0 and it says "unable to connect to host" Connection refused (10061)" |
| 03:49.25 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: i think so |
| 03:49.35 | lordnazgu | liable meet me in #flood? |
| 03:49.40 | rendi | can i get apt-get install php ?? |
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| 03:49.51 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'php' (7 of 41): (/etc/dcl/config.php) in web/dcl ;; (/etc/cron.d/php5) in web/php5-common ;; (/etc/cron.d/php4) in web/php4-common ;; (/etc/bbclone/config.php) in web/bbclone ;; (/etc/cron.d/phpqladmin) in web/phpqladmin ;; (/etc/horde2/registry.d/nag.php) in web/nag ;; (/etc/acidlab/acid_conf.php) in web/acidlab. |
| 03:49.53 | liable | lordnazgu: i am there. |
| 03:49.53 | rendi | !find php |
| 03:49.54 | Phoenix_Zero | god damn |
| 03:49.55 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'php' (15 of 178): dh-make-php ;; egroupware-phpbrain ;; egroupware-phpldapadmin ;; egroupware-phpsysinfo ;; gphpedit ;; htcheck-php ;; libapache-mod-php4 ;; libapache-mod-php5 ;; libapache-mod-suphp ;; libapache2-mod-php4 ;; libapache2-mod-php5 ;; libapache2-mod-suphp ;; libphp-adodb ;; libphp-diogenes ;; libphp-jpgraph. |
| 03:50.02 | UncleD | holy spam |
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| 03:50.10 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: Im gonna #flood what it says when I startx |
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| 03:50.18 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: looks like the server isnt running, try ps |
| 03:50.23 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: ok |
| 03:50.28 | rendi | hello there |
| 03:50.29 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: thanks for your help |
| 03:50.38 | rendi | can i get apt-get install php with apt-get |
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| 03:51.04 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: enjoy! |
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| 03:51.17 | abrotman | rendi: which version ? |
| 03:51.20 | Phoenix_Zero | laible: I tried to paste to #flood and it booted me |
| 03:51.24 | nxtw | is there any way to install unixodbc-dev WITHOUT the X dependencies? |
| 03:51.43 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: try a paster |
| 03:51.58 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: dont know what that is |
| 03:52.03 | rendi | latest |
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| 03:52.18 | liable | !tell Phoenix_Zero about paster |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | rendi: that doesn't help .. which version ? |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | rendi: php4 is in sarge .. php5 is not |
| 03:52.33 | rendi | 5 ? |
| 03:52.36 | Phoenix_Zero | wow....its giving me a TON of errors |
| 03:52.45 | rendi | can i ? |
| 03:52.48 | amphi | heh |
| 03:52.53 | abrotman | rendi: for sarge ? |
| 03:53.21 | rendi | i dunno |
| 03:53.25 | rendi | how to see my system |
| 03:53.32 | rendi | sarge or whateever |
| 03:53.37 | abrotman | rendi: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:54.02 | rendi | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 03:54.12 | abrotman | rendi: then you get php4 |
| 03:54.14 | rendi | i have already install apache and now dumb on php |
| 03:54.22 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: ok I just pasted it to #debian |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | rendi: apache1 or apache2 ? |
| 03:54.29 | rendi | ya i get it apt-get install php4 but not working |
| 03:54.39 | rendi | i just type apt-get install apache |
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| 03:54.46 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: whats the url? |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | !depends apache sarge |
| 03:54.48 | dpkg | apache: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), mime-support, apache-common (>= 1.3.33-6), apache-common (<< 1.3.34-0), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), logrotate (>= 3.5.4-1), dpkg (>> 1.9.0), libmagic1, debconf |
| 03:55.10 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I have no idea wtf is going on |
| 03:55.12 | abrotman | rendi: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 .. |
| 03:55.20 | Phoenix_Zero | or if its even starting x |
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| 03:55.28 | Phoenix_Zero | and I cant even ^c it |
| 03:55.30 | rendi | libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version |
| 03:55.33 | rendi | and now ? |
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| 03:56.09 | rendi | ok try acces this http://84.244.4.160/install.php |
| 03:56.16 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: whats the number of your paste? |
| 03:56.24 | de-almasy | hello, /me was trying to find how to top AppleTalk service from startup |
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| 03:56.31 | abrotman | rendi: is there an AddType line in your httpd.conf ? |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | rendi: that's not a PHP error |
| 03:56.53 | amphi | Phoenix_Zero: if you want to see if X is working, just try xinit |
| 03:56.55 | abrotman | rendi: your PHP seems fine |
| 03:57.04 | rendi | abrotman in what section ? |
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| 03:57.25 | Phoenix_Zero | amphi: I dont understand what any of this means |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | rendi: your PHP is fine afaict |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | rendi: what error are you seeing ? |
| 03:57.57 | Phoenix_Zero | amphi: all I get is a bunch of "buildsycoca: WARNING: (insert btching) |
| 03:57.57 | rendi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.57 | rendi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.57 | rendi | that |
| 03:57.57 | rendi | uncoment that |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | rendi: no .. the error you're seeing |
| 03:58.01 | amphi | Phoenix_Zero: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:58.15 | Phoenix_Zero | I dont even know anymore |
| 03:58.15 | rendi | there is no error but can't open install.php |
| 03:58.44 | Phoenix_Zero | why the hell is it so hard to get a simple vnc connection running at a decent resolution? |
| 03:58.48 | abrotman | rendi: paste the error in #flood |
| 03:58.51 | Phoenix_Zero | I was working with liable and we created a .xsession |
| 03:58.58 | Phoenix_Zero | oh, Im sshed btw |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | rendi: because it works for me |
| 03:59.06 | Phoenix_Zero | and I try to startx and it just spews errors at me |
| 03:59.10 | Phoenix_Zero | and then hangs |
| 03:59.12 | rendi | oh |
| 03:59.13 | rendi | wait |
| 03:59.26 | rendi | btw cann open it http://84.244.4.160/install.php |
| 03:59.37 | sfullenwider | Is there something that will display a tree of packages and their dependencies? |
| 03:59.47 | liable | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:59.55 | abrotman | liable: no .. thank you |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | sfullenwider: i think apt-get can do dotty output |
| 04:00.29 | rendi | abrotman can open it ? |
| 04:00.38 | abrotman | rendi: paste your error in #flood |
| 04:01.09 | rendi | but no error here |
| 04:01.12 | abrotman | !tell sfullenwider about deborphan |
| 04:01.17 | Guerin | sfullenwider: debfoster, deborphan |
| 04:01.19 | rendi | apache work fine |
| 04:01.21 | abrotman | rendi: no error ? .. then what's the problem ? |
| 04:01.51 | rendi | open it http://84.244.4.160/install.php |
| 04:01.59 | abrotman | i did |
| 04:02.11 | Phoenix_Zero | would someone please help me? |
| 04:02.11 | rendi | php not work |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | it works fine .. the PHP is broken afaict .. but it runs the PHP |
| 04:02.58 | rendi | so what i shoul do |
| 04:03.08 | abrotman | If you continue to get this error message, feel free to look to us for support. |
| 04:03.09 | abrotman | Simple Machines |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | i get that |
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| 04:03.24 | abrotman | if your PHP is broken . i can't help you there |
| 04:03.30 | Phoenix_Zero | I have no idea what the hell is wrong, and less of any idea what is going on |
| 04:03.49 | Phoenix_Zero | and I dont understand anything the terminal is saying when I startx or initx or why it hangs or anything else |
| 04:03.51 | nosklo | I just got a toshiba notebook. Going to debianize it, after windows exorcising techniques. It has a SATA hd. Any suggestions, should i install sarge and then upgrade to sid, or should i go to sid directly? |
| 04:03.53 | Phoenix_Zero | could someone please help me? |
| 04:04.08 | abrotman | startkde ? |
| 04:04.29 | Phoenix_Zero | what about startx? |
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| 04:04.41 | Phoenix_Zero | and the whole point was to make is use .xsession so it would start x11vnc when it started x |
| 04:04.48 | Phoenix_Zero | but now I have no fracking clue wtf is going on |
| 04:04.54 | abrotman | yes .. you can put startkde in .xsession |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | i think anyways |
| 04:05.06 | Phoenix_Zero | abrotman: its in there |
| 04:05.07 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: try running x11vnc from by itself |
| 04:05.15 | Phoenix_Zero | but I have no idea if its using the .xsession or something else |
| 04:05.30 | Phoenix_Zero | 10/01/2004 09:54:14 XOpenDisplay failed (null) |
| 04:05.37 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: look for EE lines |
| 04:05.43 | Phoenix_Zero | where? |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | in your .xsession-errors file |
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| 04:06.38 | Phoenix_Zero | god dammit... |
| 04:06.42 | Phoenix_Zero | it still sees everything as gnome |
| 04:06.45 | Phoenix_Zero | which I tried to get rid of |
| 04:06.46 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 04:06.55 | Phoenix_Zero | and it didnt find the pattern EE anywhere |
| 04:07.05 | abrotman | !xinitrc |
| 04:07.06 | dpkg | it has been said that xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 04:07.17 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 04:07.17 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 04:07.25 | Phoenix_Zero | I dont know what ANY of that means |
| 04:07.34 | sfullenwider | if I up and die it's because I answered debfoster incorrectly |
| 04:07.39 | abrotman | Phoenix_Zero: maybe ask #debian-kde .. i know how to start gnome .. but not kde from startx |
| 04:07.50 | abrotman | sfullenwider: hehe .. that's why i use deborphan |
| 04:07.59 | amphi | Phoenix_Zero: isn't it just startkde? |
| 04:08.02 | abrotman | liable: i bet your server is made out of metal |
| 04:08.35 | abrotman | rendi: DO NOT msg me |
| 04:08.43 | abrotman | rendi: keep it in the channel |
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| 04:08.56 | liable | abrotman: um, i dont know what to say to that. but thanks! |
| 04:09.03 | rendi | ok i wanna install smf |
| 04:09.11 | rendi | msql apache ok but php not |
| 04:09.16 | rendi | mysql |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | php4-mysql |
| 04:09.29 | abrotman | liable: thank you for not knowing! |
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| 04:10.36 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 04:11.11 | liable | damn, air con is on the blink again.. |
| 04:11.26 | abrotman | con air ? |
| 04:12.03 | sfullenwider | air conditioner |
| 04:12.07 | sfullenwider | air conditioner |
| 04:12.20 | liable | sfullenwider: thanks |
| 04:12.24 | sfullenwider | n/p |
| 04:12.30 | abrotman | sfullenwider: your productivity went down because you repeated! repent! |
| 04:13.10 | liable | whats a good vnc server then? |
| 04:13.44 | abrotman | isn't there only vncserver ? |
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| 04:13.58 | liable | no theres lots |
| 04:14.22 | abrotman | in debian ? |
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| 04:14.56 | liable | abrotman: yes, thanks. |
| 04:16.08 | rendi | same abrotman nothing happen |
| 04:16.15 | abrotman | nothing what happen ? |
| 04:16.21 | covux | the best vnc server is the last release *WOOP* ;-) |
| 04:16.30 | rendi | i have read all http://84.244.4.160/readme.html |
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| 04:16.45 | rendi | but can't install it http://84.244.4.160/install.php |
| 04:17.03 | ts2 | Which font does xterm use by default? |
| 04:17.12 | abrotman | rendi: and what error are you getting ? |
| 04:17.16 | abrotman | ts2: system ? |
| 04:17.31 | rendi | nothing |
| 04:17.34 | ts2 | abrotman: command not found |
| 04:17.38 | rendi | -rw-rw-rw- 1 777 505 43331 Jul 4 05:15 install.php |
| 04:17.41 | abrotman | ts2: it wasn't a command |
| 04:17.43 | rendi | maybe that ? |
| 04:17.51 | abrotman | rendi: if you're not getting an error .. why is there a problem ? |
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| 04:18.29 | rendi | when i open it why i download not open in my firefox |
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| 04:18.42 | ts2 | abrotman: the point is I don't understand what you mean by "system". xlsfonts | grep -i system --> nil |
| 04:18.43 | abrotman | rendi: URL ? |
| 04:18.49 | rendi | ya |
| 04:18.54 | rendi | install.php |
| 04:18.56 | abrotman | ts2: i think it's a courier or times new roman |
| 04:19.03 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: how are you calling vncserver? |
| 04:19.04 | ts2 | abrotman: so you don't know |
| 04:19.05 | rendi | it not open in my fireofx but i download it |
| 04:19.08 | abrotman | rendi: #flood |
| 04:20.19 | ts2 | xlsfonts | grep courier | wc --> 664 (even if it's true) |
| 04:21.57 | Phoenix_Zero | vncserver] |
| 04:22.00 | Phoenix_Zero | *vncserver |
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| 04:23.15 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: have you read the man page? you can specify a resolution.. |
| 04:23.15 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:23.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:23.31 | syberdave | ts2: it's in the manpage, although you left already |
| 04:23.34 | abrotman | liable: thank you for suggesting someone actually read :) |
| 04:24.06 | liable | abrotman: thanks for thanking me. |
| 04:24.28 | abrotman | liable: thank you for raising my productivity! |
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| 04:26.23 | multidex | hi all |
| 04:26.50 | toker | im trying to patch my kernel from 2.6.12-1-386 to 2.6.14. can anyone walk me through this? |
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| 04:27.46 | quitte | do i need a pf rule for the network device corresponding to pppoe0 to allow pppoe0 to work? |
| 04:27.56 | DJ_Necrogami | what is a ssh daemon for Debian |
| 04:28.05 | abrotman | ssh |
| 04:28.13 | abrotman | openssh-server ? |
| 04:28.47 | multidex | my hdc drive doesn't show when I use the "mount" command, but it is listed when I use the fdisk -l command... however trying to "mount /dev/hdc1" it says mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 04:29.08 | cheal | toker: *patch* your kernel from 2.6.12-1-386 to 2.6.14? |
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| 04:29.17 | DJ_Necrogami | it says it cant find the server from apt-get |
| 04:29.27 | abrotman | DJ_Necrogami: apt-cache search ssh |
| 04:29.34 | DJ_Necrogami | did that |
| 04:29.41 | DJ_Necrogami | not in the list |
| 04:29.55 | multidex | i want to mount hdc and partition it... |
| 04:30.06 | abrotman | DJ_Necrogami: it should be .. are you running debian .. or some derivative ? |
| 04:30.08 | DJ_Necrogami | anyone gotta souces.list i can get? for aptget |
| 04:30.13 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 04:30.17 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: you can set it higher? |
| 04:30.28 | quitte | oh wrong channel |
| 04:31.09 | DJ_Necrogami | ok here we go :) this is better heh |
| 04:31.17 | toker | cheal, yea |
| 04:31.57 | cheal | toker: are you simply asking how to upgrade from 2.6.12 to 2.6.14? |
| 04:32.10 | quitte | multidex provide mount with a mount point,too. mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt for example |
| 04:32.30 | toker | cheal, rather than compiling a new kernel, the file i got is a patch |
| 04:32.42 | quitte | toker you cant patch binary files |
| 04:32.43 | toker | cheal, but i dont know how to use it |
| 04:33.16 | toker | cheal, then i dont know what the file is, ill just get a new kernel then |
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| 04:33.27 | cheal | toker: so you have a 2.6.12 to 2.6.14 patch? where did you get that... |
| 04:33.57 | toker | cheal, kernel.org the file is patch2.6.14.3.bz2 |
| 04:34.00 | DJ_Necrogami | apt-cache search ssh segfaults now |
| 04:34.01 | multidex | quitte: thanks, i'll try |
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| 04:34.15 | cheal | toker: looks like a 2.6.14.2 to 2.6.14.3 patch |
| 04:34.27 | Loplin | hello |
| 04:34.48 | cheal | toker: and you probably shouldn't take kernel sources directly from kernel.org on debian |
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| 04:35.09 | toker | cheal, apt-get didnt find anything higher than 1.6.12 |
| 04:35.16 | toker | 2.6.12* |
| 04:35.21 | cheal | toker: which release do you run? |
| 04:35.34 | Phoenix_Zero | god dammit |
| 04:35.38 | toker | cheal, release of debian? |
| 04:35.40 | Phoenix_Zero | Im just going to reinstall this stupid thing |
| 04:35.42 | cheal | toker: yes |
| 04:36.13 | toker | cheal, the newest one i think, wheres a quick place to check? |
| 04:36.37 | cheal | toker: there's no real quick place to check, but... |
| 04:36.53 | toker | cheal, i just installed it too... |
| 04:37.18 | cheal | !debian version |
| 04:37.18 | dpkg | To determine which version of debian you are running cat /etc/debian_version, or check the version of some important packages such as libc6 (dpkg -l <package>) |
| 04:38.00 | toker | cheal, 3.1 |
| 04:38.23 | cheal | toker: then you shouldn't even see 2.6.12. 3.1 has 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 04:38.35 | cheal | toker: why do you want 2.6.14? |
| 04:38.49 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 04:38.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 04:39.05 | toker | cheal, i was just gonna upgrade it, is there a problem with running higher kernels? |
| 04:39.17 | abrotman | cheal: i nailed it :) |
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| 04:39.27 | ke6isf | !beer abrotman |
| 04:39.35 | cheal | abrotman: wow, where do you get those wyzard powers? :) |
| 04:39.36 | abrotman | toker: is there anything wrong with the one you're running ? |
| 04:39.44 | Loplin | is agpgart not needed in debian? |
| 04:39.50 | toker | well i wash trying to upgrade so i could run bootsplash |
| 04:39.50 | abrotman | yes .. it's there |
| 04:40.05 | abrotman | but .. bootsplash works with 2.6.0 |
| 04:40.05 | cheal | Loplin: probably not...if you don't have an AGP card? |
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| 04:40.17 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: the -geometry switch works for me. |
| 04:40.18 | Loplin | cheal: I do, but I dont see a package for it |
| 04:40.22 | toker | abrotman, yes but i origionally had 2.4 |
| 04:40.26 | abrotman | Loplin: not a package |
| 04:40.34 | ke6isf | toker: Just install 2.6.8 for your arch. Easy peasy. |
| 04:40.35 | cheal | toker: the best reason to not run 2.6.14 on sarge is that...it's simply not officially supported |
| 04:40.36 | abrotman | toker: and bootsplash works with 2.4 also |
| 04:40.57 | Loplin | cheal: I have an agp card, I dont see a package for agpgart |
| 04:41.05 | abrotman | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 (or something better for your CPU) |
| 04:41.07 | cheal | Loplin: as abrotman said |
| 04:41.13 | abrotman | Loplin: it's not a package |
| 04:41.17 | Loplin | ahh |
| 04:41.20 | abrotman | Loplin: modprobe agpgart |
| 04:41.24 | sfullenwider | Anyone know of a decent video editing app? |
| 04:41.34 | ke6isf | abrotman: Is 2.6-386 the same as 2.6.8-2-386? |
| 04:41.39 | abrotman | kino or .. uhm .. cinerella or something |
| 04:41.49 | abrotman | ke6isf: the one i said is a metapackage ... |
| 04:42.03 | ke6isf | abrotman: Ah, OK. |
| 04:42.22 | liable | i guess i need some x apps to run vnc on it.. |
| 04:42.31 | multidex | what's the command to tell the system to shut down and reboot? |
| 04:42.38 | abrotman | reboot |
| 04:42.39 | liable | reboot |
| 04:42.43 | multidex | lol |
| 04:42.48 | multidex | thanks |
| 04:42.50 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I think I completely broke it |
| 04:42.51 | abrotman | we give it a tricky name so you look silly when you ask :) |
| 04:42.55 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: Im going to reinstall and try again |
| 04:43.03 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: what did you do? |
| 04:43.12 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I dont even know anymore |
| 04:43.20 | Phoenix_Zero | I just wanna start with a fresh install and get it to where I want it |
| 04:43.27 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: remove the xsesssion file |
| 04:43.43 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: i dont think you edited any other files did you? |
| 04:43.58 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: ssh is somehow dead too |
| 04:44.13 | Massaki | where can I find information about ALL linux keybord shortcuts? |
| 04:44.16 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: can you get someone to reboot it? |
| 04:44.24 | Phoenix_Zero | ya probably.. |
| 04:44.28 | Phoenix_Zero | its just not worth it |
| 04:44.35 | Phoenix_Zero | this machine has been having so many goddamn problems |
| 04:44.54 | cheal | Massaki: linux is a kernel... it doesn't have keyboard shortcuts |
| 04:45.07 | abrotman | darn french |
| 04:45.23 | Massaki | cheal, sorry, I ment GNOME ,, |
| 04:45.44 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I think what Im gonna do it just do a reinstall, make sure to ONLY install KDE and then come back with some help with configuring |
| 04:45.49 | abrotman | Desktop -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 04:45.55 | cheal | Massaki: try the gnome help documents...I'd expect it to be obvious, but I can't help if it isn't |
| 04:46.11 | abrotman | though the window manager will have some also |
| 04:46.13 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: well if thats what you want. |
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| 04:46.34 | Massaki | cheal, CONTROL + ALT + F1 is not a kernel shorcut ? |
| 04:46.51 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I just wish things were easier to do |
| 04:47.10 | Phoenix_Zero | liable: I know its not true, but it feels like this thing is held together with fishing wire |
| 04:47.21 | cheal | Massaki: maybe the kernel has some shortcuts. I don't know about that one, the linux graphics system is too complex for me |
| 04:47.33 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: haha, you'll get there. |
| 04:47.42 | Massaki | =) |
| 04:47.49 | abrotman | why doesn't Phoenix_Zero just install kdm ? |
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| 04:48.04 | Phoenix_Zero | abrotman: Its not just x stuff |
| 04:48.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:48.14 | liable | abrotman: can you log in with vnc with kdm? |
| 04:48.17 | ts2 | So which program resizes NTFS partitions in Debian? |
| 04:48.19 | Phoenix_Zero | abrotman: Ive had problems since the beginning, when it was missing make |
| 04:48.23 | Massaki | CONTROL + SHIFT + C it`s another kernel keybor shortcut .. to paste |
| 04:48.24 | abrotman | liable: nfc .. thank you! |
| 04:48.26 | liable | abrotman: and thanks btw |
| 04:48.27 | Phoenix_Zero | no, now I cant login remotely at all |
| 04:48.29 | Phoenix_Zero | vnc ssh or otherwise |
| 04:48.49 | liable | abrotman: thanks, i'll try that! |
| 04:48.53 | cheal | !tell ts2 about ntfs resize |
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| 04:48.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wow man... I bought World of Warcraft thinking it might be a good game... the first month is free but then to play for a year its 140$! |
| 04:49.06 | abrotman | those really are the worst stats EVAR |
| 04:49.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dont think there is any game that is worth that |
| 04:49.22 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: that's like .. 15/month |
| 04:49.26 | liable | kinda pointless too. |
| 04:49.32 | abrotman | yeah they are |
| 04:49.36 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite liable |
| 04:49.37 | dpkg | liable: You're nothing but a p*nis r*ping d*ckhead! |
| 04:49.46 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: agreed... but why is there a monthly charge at all? |
| 04:49.57 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: because kids like you will pay to play :) |
| 04:50.24 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: kids? Im 22.. and no I wont. |
| 04:50.43 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you're a kid compared to some people here .. cheal is like .. 57 or something |
| 04:51.09 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: and how old are you? |
| 04:51.16 | abrotman | 29 |
| 04:51.39 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: heh... then I dont quite believe the 'kid' comment is warrented.. |
| 04:51.39 | xptek | I'm 16. Damn I'm old. |
| 04:51.46 | xptek | </sarcasm> |
| 04:51.54 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: haha, i get the same x errors.. |
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| 04:52.03 | konfuzed | TwistedEmotions: youre twisted for buying the game |
| 04:52.21 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: espeically when you could spend that 15/month on beer! |
| 04:52.33 | konfuzed | bought a game = kid |
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| 04:52.56 | konfuzed | i was just checkin with my bud..... |
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| 04:53.11 | cheal | when I was young, mouses didn't have buttons. and then, they had 1 button. and then...wait, some people are still stuck there |
| 04:53.12 | konfuzed | TwistedEmotions: can get you 3000 games no charge |
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| 04:53.26 | TwistedEmotions | konfuzed: haha... apt-cache search games? |
| 04:53.35 | amphi | cheal: sad, huh? ;) |
| 04:53.44 | liable | yay, it works. now i might remove it all. |
| 04:53.46 | bam_ | 1 question, how hard would it be to upgrade from say ubuntu to debian? And what would be the advantages? |
| 04:54.14 | amphi | bam_: older packages |
| 04:54.15 | cheal | amphi: bah, it's good to be able to laugh at people sometimes :) |
| 04:54.16 | abrotman | bam: you can't |
| 04:54.17 | konfuzed | TwistedEmotions: gotta get MAME and the others and not to mention all the actual downloads |
| 04:54.19 | abrotman | !d-i bam |
| 04:54.20 | dpkg | bam, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:54.22 | abrotman | !d-i bam_ |
| 04:54.23 | dpkg | bam_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:54.23 | amphi | bam_: unless you run sid |
| 04:54.30 | abrotman | no .. you flat out .. can't |
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| 04:54.44 | cheal | bam_: it would be reinstall-hard |
| 04:54.48 | bam_ | currently I have ubuntu |
| 04:55.10 | konfuzed | bam: do you know what to do with a server? |
| 04:55.11 | liable | Phoenix_Zero: get someone to reboot it and try again. |
| 04:55.16 | abrotman | bam_: you cannot 'upgrade' to debian .. it is better to install debian freshly |
| 04:55.17 | bam_ | has anyone successfully did a apt-get dist upgrade? |
| 04:55.21 | amphi | abrotman: debtakeover can't deal with ubuntu? |
| 04:55.22 | liable | no |
| 04:55.27 | cheal | !tell bam_ about why debian |
| 04:55.29 | abrotman | amphi: that's not what he's asking |
| 04:55.37 | konfuzed | bam: do you know what to do with a server? |
| 04:55.58 | Massaki | Can I change the keyboard button "a" for type "c" for example? ... when I type a, I want the c apear ... |
| 04:56.12 | bam_ | konfuzed, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? |
| 04:56.17 | abrotman | ignore him |
| 04:56.25 | bam_ | damn cap lock and big fingers |
| 04:56.34 | konfuzed | bam: that says it all |
| 04:56.37 | abrotman | bam_: you should really install debian fresh .. an upgrade may or may not work correctly . and could actually hose the entire system |
| 04:56.45 | bam_ | hmmm |
| 04:56.49 | konfuzed | it would not be helpful for you to go from ubuntu to debian |
| 04:57.27 | bam_ | why is this, I hear that the process at wich debian is evolving tends to be more stable |
| 04:57.52 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha |
| 04:57.55 | liable | bam_: just install fresh with sarge, it takes like 20 mins.. |
| 04:58.09 | bam_ | yea, I think I will |
| 04:58.22 | bam_ | time for a fresh install anyways |
| 04:58.25 | konfuzed | bam: you move from a desktop to a server for a reason not to play |
| 04:58.55 | cheal | konfuzed: please... |
| 04:59.11 | konfuzed | if youre only gonna run gnome on debian then you basically have ubuntu - few perks |
| 04:59.19 | abrotman | konfuzed: be quiet please |
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| 05:00.02 | konfuzed | I just dropped SuSe to go debian by the way |
| 05:00.05 | konfuzed | across the board |
| 05:00.11 | bam_ | will do some more research, but will probably switch anyways |
| 05:00.15 | konfuzed | im only saying he should have a reason |
| 05:00.54 | bam_ | as I said the evolution of debian tends to be more stable, that would be a good reason |
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| 05:05.13 | konfuzed | in some ways it could be said I went for debian to use one of the Unstable branches |
| 05:05.15 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 05:05.19 | konfuzed | big factor for me |
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| 05:05.41 | konfuzed | unstable branch of a particular server app that is |
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| 05:06.43 | jah | hello! |
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| 05:08.17 | liable | !moo |
| 05:08.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 05:13.22 | daft | becose your asking dpkg |
| 05:13.36 | daft | (__) |
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| 05:13.36 | daft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:15.13 | Massaki | where can I find the boot log ? |
| 05:15.44 | Guerin | Massaki: /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:15.52 | Massaki | thx |
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| 05:17.08 | grendal_prime | god this is making me nuts |
| 05:17.15 | grendal_prime | got this...wonky router |
| 05:17.26 | liable | lynksys? |
| 05:17.29 | grendal_prime | works...sometimes....crashes connection..someitms |
| 05:17.31 | grendal_prime | no debian |
| 05:17.35 | grendal_prime | its a router box |
| 05:17.36 | liable | oh.. |
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| 05:18.11 | grendal_prime | seems loging in via the external interface crashes the sshd |
| 05:18.31 | grendal_prime | actually thats not tru..noting works after it crashes |
| 05:18.36 | grendal_prime | not even the webserver |
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| 05:21.25 | kingsley_ | grendal_prime: Are you in the same physical place as the router? |
| 05:21.43 | grendal_prime | no thats the problem |
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| 05:22.12 | grendal_prime | and when im there..i remote into some other machine and then ssh back into the router...seems to work fine.. |
| 05:22.46 | grendal_prime | Im going to build another machine..put it in and see if i run into the same thing..if it works..im gonna assume it was the machine. |
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| 05:23.02 | grendal_prime | i have had machines that just do not do ssh well |
| 05:23.15 | grendal_prime | encryption in general seems to stumble them up |
| 05:24.06 | eeyore-- | grendal_prime: unlikely |
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| 05:24.46 | grendal_prime | well...ive jacked around with it for several days now..im sick of the damn thing |
| 05:24.48 | eeyore-- | grendal_prime: more likely is IP/dns/firewall-related |
| 05:25.06 | grendal_prime | firwall is alowing everything |
| 05:25.28 | grendal_prime | it is the exact config copied from the previouse router |
| 05:25.29 | eeyore-- | grendal_prime: or, maybe no common encryption routines, wrong protocol, no key, etc. "ssh -v" |
| 05:25.32 | kingsley_ | grendal_prime: I'm OK with your idea of building a new machine, although I find myself wondering if the router could be configured to reboot after crashing. |
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| 05:25.55 | grendal_prime | everything else works fine on it though |
| 05:26.34 | kingsley_ | grendal_prime: I'm also wondering if the router's /var/log/messages or dmesg have any diagnostic information. |
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| 05:27.07 | grendal_prime | thats the thing.. |
| 05:27.08 | grendal_prime | nothing |
| 05:27.15 | grendal_prime | nothing unusual |
| 05:28.06 | grendal_prime | Now..the only other thing that could be wrong...it is using a wirelless dish... |
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| 05:28.17 | grendal_prime | i unplug that thing...plug it back in and it works |
| 05:28.26 | toker | can anyone help me get bootsplash to work? |
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| 05:28.59 | grendal_prime | would go to reason that it was the wireless product on the roof..but why would it start all of the sudden when i put my new router in? |
| 05:29.43 | smartbhai | hi people i am having trouble configuring my usb cable modem .. icant find out the modem name i need to pass to ifconfig .. the kernel usb driver and loaded and seem to be fine .. |
| 05:29.59 | grendal_prime | and yes the device does look at the mac on the card in the router...so i power it down for 3 min..wich is 3 times loger than is recommended |
| 05:30.18 | toker | anyone know how to get bootsplash to work? |
| 05:30.48 | grendal_prime | i dont think you pass anything to ifconfig |
| 05:30.49 | smartbhai | toker : goto bootsplash.org and bootsplash.de |
| 05:30.56 | toker | i did |
| 05:31.12 | grendal_prime | ifconfig gives you information on your interfaces |
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| 05:31.52 | toker | smartbhai, i cant get my kernel to patch with it |
| 05:32.00 | grendal_prime | least thats the way i have always used it..maybe im terribly mistaken but i think that is just a config viewer |
| 05:32.24 | smartbhai | toker : there are few simple steps 1 . patch ur kernel with the file from the site .. 2. recompile the kernel with bootsplash support 3. use the splash utility to create an initrd image and then change grub or lilo conf file |
| 05:32.33 | smartbhai | toker : which kernel ? |
| 05:32.39 | toker | smartbhai, the path wont work though |
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| 05:32.51 | scanwinder | does anyone know of any sidebars for linux? like the longhorn sidebar |
| 05:32.52 | toker | smartbhai, 2.6.8 |
| 05:32.53 | smartbhai | toker : can u elaborate |
| 05:32.54 | eeyore-- | toker: try "gensplash" instead |
| 05:33.08 | eeyore-- | toker: it's "cleaner" than bootsplash, as far as patching goes |
| 05:33.16 | smartbhai | toker : u should get the right patch file for the kernel |
| 05:33.28 | toker | eeyore--, can i apt-get that? |
| 05:33.30 | smartbhai | toker : patct -Np1 -i <patch-file> |
| 05:33.34 | smartbhai | toker : patch -Np1 -i <patch-file> |
| 05:33.42 | eeyore-- | toker: don't think so, google for it |
| 05:33.43 | toker | smartbhai, ive tried many |
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| 05:33.57 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 05:33.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 05:34.00 | smartbhai | toker : whats the errors cannot patch or cannot find file.. |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | splashy requires 0 kernel config |
| 05:34.16 | Guerin | it's all userspace, and it kicks in as soon as init does |
| 05:34.20 | grendal_prime | whats a sidbar? |
| 05:34.29 | Guerin | grendal_prime: a bra, on the side |
| 05:34.30 | toker | smartbhai, cannot find file |
| 05:34.31 | Guerin | bar |
| 05:34.43 | nvz | foo |
| 05:34.44 | grendal_prime | hmm...like another kicker |
| 05:34.55 | grendal_prime | just run kicker twice hehehe |
| 05:34.56 | smartbhai | toker ; where is your kernel source located goto that directory first |
| 05:35.09 | smartbhai | what is the interface name for a usb modem .. like eth0 ? |
| 05:35.15 | grendal_prime | and what the hell is longhorn anyway? |
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| 05:36.09 | nvz | grendal_prime: was the codename for Windows Vista |
| 05:36.17 | scanwinder | global_prime: whats kicker? |
| 05:36.25 | scanwinder | grendal_prime |
| 05:36.29 | scanwinder | missread ur name lol |
| 05:36.33 | toker | smartbhai, its either /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:36.35 | nvz | !info kicker |
| 05:36.45 | toker | smartbhai, i think... |
| 05:36.55 | smartbhai | toker : its in /usr/src/linux mostly.. |
| 05:37.17 | scanwinder | nvz: was that meant 2 give info on kicker? i dun think it worked |
| 05:37.20 | nvz | nothing in debian is in /usr/src/linux |
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| 05:37.26 | nvz | scanwinder: its comming |
| 05:37.31 | eeyore-- | Guerin: so ... splashy uses framebuffer calls to put the image there? |
| 05:37.33 | scanwinder | nvz: ok |
| 05:37.38 | Guerin | eeyore--: yeah. |
| 05:37.43 | nvz | scanwinder: the bot is updating its apt-cache |
| 05:37.47 | fireedo | hello :) |
| 05:37.51 | scanwinder | nvz: oh ok |
| 05:37.56 | dpkg | kicker: (desktop panel for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1668 kB, Installed size: 4629 kB |
| 05:38.04 | Guerin | eeyore--: i used it only once, as an experiment; worked perfectly, first time, with no config - just install and reboot |
| 05:38.06 | nvz | scanwinder: ^^ |
| 05:38.07 | toker | smartbhai, where does it put a kernel that i got using apt-get? |
| 05:38.17 | fireedo | does anyone knows how to convert debian ISO's CD into DVD iso? |
| 05:38.27 | kingsley_ | grendal_prime: It seems to me that if you don't build an entirely new router, the fastest way to debug the existing one would be to isolate the problem. |
| 05:38.27 | Guerin | fireedo: wtf? |
| 05:38.41 | nvz | fireedo: there is no difference AFAIK |
| 05:38.50 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite kingsley_ |
| 05:38.51 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer kingsley_: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.3921539814129! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 05:39.03 | nvz | fireedo: unless you simply mean how to combine the images into one larger one. |
| 05:39.13 | fireedo | I mean to make it simple to install |
| 05:39.14 | nvz | fireedo: we would just use jigdo to create the larger image |
| 05:39.21 | kingsley_ | grendal_prime: If there's no diagnostic information in any log file, then you could swap out hardware until the router stays up. |
| 05:39.53 | eeyore-- | Guerin: the machines i have here, now, are gentoo and they "natively" prefer gensplash/bootsplash, maybe i'll check it out in vmware later :-) |
| 05:39.56 | grendal_prime | thats where im at at this point |
| 05:40.15 | grendal_prime | i cant get into it from here thats for sure |
| 05:40.23 | grendal_prime | was for about 10 min.. |
| 05:40.35 | grendal_prime | then..whammo..down like a 20 buck whore |
| 05:40.38 | nvz | I feel hungry but I am probably not |
| 05:40.40 | scanwinder | grendal_prime: kicker isnt what i want, i want to have things like news, clock, weather etc on it |
| 05:40.43 | fireedo | hmmm ok then |
| 05:41.10 | grendal_prime | ya..well pretty sure those are optional plugins for kicker |
| 05:41.18 | nvz | scanwinder: you want a panel with applets, take your fuckin pick :P kicker, or gnome-panel.. whatever |
| 05:41.28 | nvz | scanwinder: or like gkrellm or some other status dock |
| 05:41.47 | scanwinder | nvz: i want to be able 2 sort thru the articles in news on it aswell:P |
| 05:41.50 | deadcat | !ums |
| 05:42.00 | scanwinder | nvz: and 2 then click one one and have it open it in a webbrowser or sumthin |
| 05:42.00 | kingsley_ | grendal_prime: But since it's not local, replacing everything (or possibly half, then half of the half that failed, then another half, etc..., in a binary/logarithmic process of elimination), may be the best use of your time. |
| 05:42.06 | nvz | scanwinder: news.google.com |
| 05:42.06 | deadcat | whats ums mode in terms of iriver or mp3 player? |
| 05:42.12 | nvz | scanwinder: learn to code, or not be so picky |
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| 05:42.37 | scanwinder | nvz: im working on learning to code....but im a slow learner.......... |
| 05:42.45 | scanwinder | nvz: wait, i could do it in html, couldnt i? |
| 05:42.54 | nvz | scanwinder: I'd look closely at the panels, like gnome-panel and kicker, and the applets available.. and which ever you like you should learn to use |
| 05:43.12 | nvz | scanwinder: then you could develop a news ticker that uses RSS or something to meet your needs |
| 05:43.38 | nvz | scanwinder: adding a new applet is not difficult |
| 05:43.54 | nvz | scanwinder: most panels can swallow a regular application with little fuss |
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| 05:45.00 | bam_ | morning |
| 05:45.15 | bam_ | anyone using icewm |
| 05:45.32 | bam_ | any suggestions on tweaks? |
| 05:45.35 | nvz | scanwinder: gnome-panel has the clock and weather applets already.. and it has a stock ticker which would be a good reference for making your news applet I am sure |
| 05:46.45 | eeyore-- | learning to code by writing an applet? that's not exactly a starter project ... |
| 05:47.03 | nvz | eeyore--: yeah well beggers cant be choosers |
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| 05:47.29 | nvz | eeyore--: and like I said the stock ticker is a good start.. already has a scrolling ticker and fetches info from the web |
| 05:47.48 | dude | eeyore-- still around I see |
| 05:47.50 | smartbhai | whats the name of the interface for a usb cable modem .. |
| 05:47.54 | eeyore-- | dude: hmm? |
| 05:48.26 | nvz | the only nice thing about this weather, is I can chill my liquor by leaving it outside |
| 05:48.42 | nvz | though its almost too cold to do that |
| 05:49.32 | eeyore-- | what's up with "dude"? |
| 05:49.42 | nvz | I got a sore on teh roof of my mouth its annoying |
| 05:49.52 | nvz | I probably cut myself of a dorito or something |
| 05:49.58 | scanwinder | nvz: ok thanks...ill look for plugins for various panels first and see if there is always something and, if there isnt, ill try and write sumthing....and learn 2 code better if i have to |
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| 05:50.15 | scanwinder | nvz: oops i mean see if there is already sumthin |
| 05:50.18 | eeyore-- | scanwinder: you probably want gkrellm, or the kde equivalent |
| 05:50.30 | eeyore-- | scanwinder: mmmm, what's it called ... mmmm .... |
| 05:50.33 | nvz | scanwinder: yeah there are also the status dock programs |
| 05:51.00 | nvz | scanwinder: and it would be real simple to make a DHTML program that pops up a chromless window with news info |
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| 05:51.42 | secher | I"m building my first kernel in a while, and I'm looking at the grub man page, and it's about as useful as a tissue box full of fiberglass. how do I put a new kernel into grub? |
| 05:51.44 | nvz | scanwinder: or leave links2 -g news.google.com open at like a low depth of say -4 and ignored by your WM |
| 05:51.53 | secher | or where do I look..... |
| 05:52.12 | nvz | scanwinder: will sit just above your desktop but below all other windows, and it will loose its frame seemingly becomming part of the desktop |
| 05:52.27 | eeyore-- | secher: you can put the kernel wherever grub can read it, which is a lot of places |
| 05:52.28 | nvz | scanwinder: optionally use the sticky bit to make it on all desktops |
| 05:53.01 | eeyore-- | secher: you just have to specify the correct kernel=... path, for example, kernel=(hd0,0)/kernel-2.6.14 <rest of parameters here> |
| 05:53.01 | secher | eeyore--: you mean I just stick the kernel in /boot and it'll automagically pick it up on boot? |
| 05:53.47 | secher | why did we leave lilo, btw? |
| 05:54.09 | nvz | lilo is still here. :P |
| 05:54.21 | nvz | secher: most people consider GRUB to be superior |
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| 05:54.47 | nvz | secher: its command prompt allows you to pretty much reprogram it.. so even in a bad configuration if your grub-fu is strong you can get it working |
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| 05:55.05 | nvz | secher: I like the simplicity of lilo |
| 05:55.10 | hefty | is there any gtk2 debian source I can use to install gtk2? |
| 05:55.20 | secher | nvz: any hassles moving from grub back to lilo? |
| 05:55.24 | nvz | secher: and I still use it when I want to make changes.. because I dont know grub well |
| 05:55.30 | nvz | secher: nope just install and remove |
| 05:55.52 | secher | nvz: beauty. Thanks much. |
| 05:55.56 | nvz | hefty: all debian sources have gtk2 |
| 05:56.07 | nvz | hefty: dont be silly |
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| 05:57.13 | nvz | !info libgtk2.0-dev sarge |
| 05:57.14 | hefty | nvz: when I do apt-cache search gtk2 all I get is something like gtk2-engines-metal and so on...which packets do I need?! |
| 05:57.20 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 7071 kB, Installed size: 35088 kB |
| 05:57.23 | hefty | ahh thanks |
| 05:57.28 | nvz | hefty: are you building with gtk2? |
| 05:57.35 | hefty | yes |
| 05:57.43 | nvz | hefty: then thats probably what you want |
| 05:58.56 | nvz | I still havent seen my girl yet. |
| 05:59.05 | hefty | nvz: checking....hopefully than all of my gtk2 related apps work again..thank you |
| 05:59.20 | nvz | she'll be here eventually I am sure. |
| 05:59.42 | nvz | hefty: heh, whats wrong with your gtk2 apps? |
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| 06:00.19 | hefty | nvz: no Idea...since I got x.org with etch everything related to gtk2 just crashs...gkrellm...sylpheed2...gxine.. |
| 06:00.30 | nvz | hefty: heh |
| 06:00.49 | nvz | hefty: are you using sarge and an unofficial x.org package, for no good reason? |
| 06:01.03 | nvz | sounds like a symptom of SNS Syndrome |
| 06:01.07 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 06:01.08 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 06:01.12 | hefty | nvz: I am using etch (testing) with official sources |
| 06:01.22 | nvz | hefty: ah. |
| 06:01.42 | diana | What is a gui program I can use to sift through a big tarball that is compressed with gzip -9 and extract files to a directory. |
| 06:02.45 | psychonate | diana, I think 'ark' will do that |
| 06:02.49 | nvz | diana: GTK: file-roller Qt: ark |
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| 06:03.37 | lethias | is there a program for gnome 2.0 that is a frontend for dpkg |
| 06:03.40 | sfullenwider | What's the name of the x app to choose packages...has search etc... |
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| 06:03.55 | lethias | sfullenwider: synaptic |
| 06:03.57 | nvz | lethias: synaptic is decent.. but its not really a frontend for dpkg |
| 06:04.00 | sfullenwider | Thank you |
| 06:04.35 | lethias | nvz: yea, i've got a .deb file i downloaded and just realized i really don't know a program that is a frontend for dpkg to use that would simplify the process. |
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| 06:04.55 | nvz | lethias: there is nothing more simple than using a terminal emulator and typing dpkg -i |
| 06:05.08 | lethias | nvz: lol, very true |
| 06:05.25 | nvz | lethias: you could make a script that uses a zenity dialog to prompt for a filename and then does it for you |
| 06:06.03 | lethias | nvz: thats one thing i've never learned, i never learned how to do scripts. |
| 06:06.05 | nvz | I am not sure if zenity has a fileselector or not.. would be easier than typing it out |
| 06:06.19 | nvz | lethias: you save shell commands into a file, then run it |
| 06:06.25 | devsforev | so... if you had 10-20 gigs of unpartitioned space on a RAID-1 mirror array, how would you allocate it? (/boot, /, /var, /tmp, and /home already taken care of) |
| 06:07.01 | nvz | lethias: generally you declare the type of shell you intend to interpret the file at the top.. bash, csh, zsh, python, perl..etc |
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| 06:07.10 | lethias | yea |
| 06:07.35 | lethias | see the unfortune thing is i started using linux with mandrake linux 9.0 |
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| 06:08.07 | lethias | Now that i've tried debian, I'm loving this distro. |
| 06:08.08 | nvz | lethias: scripting is way easier than programming most other ways and it helps to exercize your script-fu. It will make you a stronger user. |
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| 06:08.26 | diana | nvz: Will a 300 meg .tar.gz file be too big for file-roller...It seems to be hanging and just not opening. |
| 06:08.29 | lethias | nvz: I must learn more about the script-fu |
| 06:08.38 | nvz | lethias: you just need to become aware of the command-line and various shells. and try integrating it into your daily tasks. |
| 06:08.45 | lethias | yea |
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| 06:08.53 | nvz | lethias: I will often do scripting when I dont need to, just for the exercize |
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| 06:09.19 | liable | nvz: heh, most people ride bikes or something |
| 06:09.23 | lethias | nvz: i need to break out my Linux Complete book and start doing some reading on scripting and basic commands again. |
| 06:09.23 | nvz | diana: I'd be patient. parsing a compressed file that large could take a while |
| 06:09.26 | harryl | looking for a ethernet nic for verizon DSL - found 10/100/1000 IS 1000 waste for 768/128 speed |
| 06:09.27 | hefty | hm...that doesnt fixed my gtk2-problem :( how can I debug such kind of gtk2 problems?! there is nothing in the syslog about it |
| 06:09.31 | nvz | liable: I do that too. |
| 06:09.53 | nvz | liable: we all have the same ammount of time, some of us just use it more effeciently than others |
| 06:10.26 | diana | nvz: But when like winrar opens a file like this...it takes 2 seconds. |
| 06:10.48 | deadcat | diana: slim ready yet? damn i am itching for it |
| 06:10.57 | diana | lol |
| 06:11.02 | diana | I just manually installed slim. |
| 06:11.14 | nvz | liable: its like the girls that are always bitching at work.. they have no idea what its like to work 24-7 like I do.. they have the easiest 8hr a day job in the world, and complain complain complain.. its all reletive to experience.. and they are so used to having it easy, when the littlest task comes before them its bitch bitch bitch |
| 06:11.20 | quitte | harryl: absolutely,yes |
| 06:11.20 | diana | Then I did dpkg-reconfigure xdm, and made xdm my default..then I changed my /etc/init.d/xdm script to use slim |
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| 06:11.32 | diana | yea, slim is pretty sick though. |
| 06:11.40 | diana | fast as hell, and pretty too |
| 06:11.49 | harryl | I guess 1000 Mbps needed for 768? 100 not enough? |
| 06:11.54 | nvz | I've worked harder than that in my sleep. I've worked harder than that for free. |
| 06:12.08 | quitte | harryl: 1Mb/s is enough |
| 06:12.13 | hytt | hello, how remove the binds from ssh ? |
| 06:12.19 | quitte | harryl: the 768 is kb/s |
| 06:12.25 | harryl | shoot |
| 06:12.30 | deadcat | diana: i compiled it. and ran it. but no theme was loaded |
| 06:12.45 | harryl | that still pretty fast |
| 06:12.54 | nvz | speaking of work.. I should call this fool and see if he gots money |
| 06:13.02 | nvz | I am not doing any charity work |
| 06:13.10 | quitte | harryl: compared to 100M? no |
| 06:13.11 | liable | nvz: you work 24 hrs a day? |
| 06:13.23 | harryl | compared to dialup |
| 06:13.38 | nvz | liable: yeah I run my own business, and volenteer here and other places when I am not otherwise busy |
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| 06:13.52 | liable | sheesh |
| 06:13.58 | nvz | liable: I just woke up moments ago.. and I was getting paid to sleep |
| 06:14.06 | liable | damn cant get wakeonlan to wake my computer |
| 06:14.09 | nvz | liable: normally I would be at work right now.. its paid holiday |
| 06:14.16 | harryl | I downloaded 2 debian CD by dialup |
| 06:14.41 | liable | nvz: getting paid while you sleep? need any more workers? :) |
| 06:14.42 | nvz | I got paid to walk down the street watching the leaves turn colors and fall last week.. while someone else's pc sat here and made me money |
| 06:14.56 | nvz | liable: heh |
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| 06:15.37 | nvz | I have this note sitting here, this guy left on my door, he wants me to fix his "puter" |
| 06:15.48 | nvz | I havent called back yet |
| 06:16.11 | nvz | I am not sure how to respond to silly notes on my door about fixin puters |
| 06:16.18 | harryl | 1Mbps seems like lightning - guess 10/100 is good enough card for 768/128? |
| 06:16.28 | psychonate | Where is the config file for grub in debian? |
| 06:16.38 | Phated | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:17.10 | secher | nvz: is your job to fix puters? |
| 06:17.14 | nvz | last I knew he didnt really have a job.. just got out of jail because his wife signed away his problems (child support) |
| 06:17.42 | nvz | secher: I used to be what the industry might call an A+ technician. I gave that up years ago. I am switching gears |
| 06:18.01 | nvz | secher: I dont want to support end users or commercial software anymore |
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| 06:18.18 | nvz | secher: at least not the kind that is horribly broken and cannot be fixed |
| 06:18.59 | secher | nvz: my point is, if is your job to fix luserputers, then let him know that as soon as you know what a puter is and what's wrong with it, you'll try to fix it, otherwise, sod off smeghead. |
| 06:19.05 | nvz | though I realize in my studying of the industry, that companies I plan to contract work from, hire end users.. so I might as well keep that in mind when finalizing my business plan for the future |
| 06:20.56 | psychonate | I'm not very familiar with grub. Once I edit the config file, do I need to run a command to update, as with lilo? |
| 06:21.07 | Guerin | psychonate: nope. |
| 06:21.20 | nvz | I plan to be doing what IBM does now pushing open solutions into the business world. but I plan to do it with more personal attention like Jerry Maguire :P not that I personally will see after it.. but once I draw up a solution, I will put someone in my place to personally see over the progress |
| 06:21.24 | psychonate | excellent |
| 06:21.26 | secher | Hrm. just got a warnign from lilo, partition 3 on /dev/hdc is not marked active ( don't ask me how that partition number and drive lanel got to be where they are.) is Active == boot flag set? |
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| 06:22.21 | nvz | I might be working soon with my former employer, FedEx, and I have many friends in there.. if I were to fix their setup so they can sort more effeciently, I would leave my friend to oversee the operation from the inside. I am only interested in getting paid, and moving on with a good reference. |
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| 06:22.46 | Guerin | nvz: I plan on earning enough money to have a good deal of fun. Not too worried what I do. That's about it. |
| 06:22.49 | nvz | I plan to work out an incentive program for throwing back business, and for writing signed testimonials that I can use for advertising. |
| 06:22.49 | secher | nvz: is that not the sum total of being a consultant? |
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| 06:23.22 | secher | Heh, and here's me just looking for work. sheesh. |
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| 06:23.46 | hytt | how listing or remove bind did with : " ssh -N -f -g -L 3130:localhost:3128 mlx@localhost" ? |
| 06:23.51 | nvz | like if I can get the floor manager to write a testomonial about my work and sign it.. thats worth a lot to me.. if I can put that on a website or something.. maybe give them additional discounts if his boss, or his bosses boss will do the same |
| 06:23.55 | sls | hey, is there a human way to make a deb package? |
| 06:24.05 | phyberoptix | no |
| 06:24.08 | sls | i tried making an rpm ... |
| 06:24.09 | phyberoptix | god creates them |
| 06:24.13 | sls | yuck! |
| 06:24.17 | nvz | I wouldnt take more than 3 testimonials from a single job/comapany |
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| 06:25.00 | psychonate | Hmm, is there a log for grub? My splashimage didn't work :( |
| 06:25.00 | nvz | and I dont plan to become personally attached to any one company. just point them in the right direction and if need be, subcontract personell to watch over the solutions I provide |
| 06:25.01 | harryl | testimonial: man, this debian sure runs smoother than MS bluescreen |
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| 06:25.37 | nvz | heh |
| 06:25.57 | Wildy | Hiya |
| 06:26.09 | smartbhai | hi people i still cant configure my usb cable modem .. ifconfig usb0 says no such device.. |
| 06:26.21 | sls | what is the default version of gnome in debian "testing" |
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| 06:26.43 | deadcat | diana: did someone gonna maintain slim? |
| 06:26.48 | secher | Hrm. how does one mark a partition active? Lilo is complaining, and I don't want to reboot until I"m sure. |
| 06:27.02 | nvz | I imagine the testimonials from real people trying to accomplish real tasks would be pure gold.. in the past the things I have done for free or discount have always helped me by word of mouth.. I see this as being the same approach to business |
| 06:27.04 | harryl | yeah, usb front panel, How to hook up? I found 5V and 0 ohms pins - 0 ohms Ground? |
| 06:27.18 | sls | you can use part ed to set a partition active |
| 06:27.26 | nvz | I dont have a plan to get filthy rich quick.. just to work hard, look like I know what I am doing, and never let them see me sweat |
| 06:27.31 | nvz | I vision the money will come |
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| 06:28.58 | lethias | anyone ever used a program called paco? |
| 06:29.06 | harryl | seriously, 0 ohms on front usb is that ground? |
| 06:29.06 | psychonate | Does anyone have a splash image working with Grub? I don't know why mine did not work :( |
| 06:29.07 | lethias | just was curious as to how good it was. |
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| 06:29.42 | lethias | pyschonate: I'd just like to figure out how to get a splash image to work with grub. |
| 06:29.44 | secher | dare I reboot if lilo is telling me that partition 3 ( which is / btw ) is not marked "Active"? |
| 06:29.50 | nvz | harryl: 0 ohms means continuity |
| 06:30.05 | nvz | harryl: if you have your common on ground, then yes whatever you are probing is ground |
| 06:30.06 | secher | harryl: dunno.. I think so, 0 ohms would indicate ground. |
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| 06:30.09 | harryl | so would that likely be? |
| 06:30.35 | smartbhai | hi people i still cant configure my usb cable modem .. ifconfig usb0 says no such device.. |
| 06:30.45 | harryl | all other pins were like 15 ohms |
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| 06:31.05 | nvz | smartbhai: do you even have usb network drivers installed? |
| 06:31.33 | nvz | smartbhai: the driver modules have to be loaded, they are what connect the hardware to those device nodes so you can access them |
| 06:32.15 | smartbhai | nvz : usbnet is the module right .. it is loaded |
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| 06:32.35 | nvz | smartbhai: I guess. I would never use USB for networking |
| 06:32.56 | nvz | smartbhai: usb is way overrated IMO its just a slim serial port AFAIC |
| 06:33.08 | harryl | what better pci nic card 10/100 or usb 10/100? |
| 06:33.10 | Guerin | firewire > usb |
| 06:33.16 | nvz | so far the only thing I really approve of on Usb is a mouse |
| 06:33.16 | secher | nvz: any idea?... I apt-get remove --purge grub and grub is still the boot loader! |
| 06:33.28 | caphuso | nvz: it's a whole damn lot faster than a serial port |
| 06:33.38 | harryl | got it |
| 06:33.43 | smartbhai | oh |
| 06:33.46 | nvz | secher: umm purging it doesnt matter, its installed on the mbr |
| 06:33.47 | Guerin | harryl: pci is always better than usb |
| 06:33.56 | nvz | secher: you have to physically install lilo onto the mbr |
| 06:34.30 | nvz | secher: the program that you install/remove is just what reads the config file and copies the bootloader code to the mbr |
| 06:34.34 | smartbhai | nvz : anything to do with hotplug .. |
| 06:34.50 | secher | nvz: did, or so i thought.. Hrm.. lemme rerun liloconfig |
| 06:35.03 | harryl | Guerin: can you recomend 10/100 card for home 1 pc |
| 06:35.06 | nvz | caphuso: yeah but its a "whole damn lot" slower than an ethernet card 10, 100, or 1000 |
| 06:35.21 | nvz | caphuso: not to mention a PITA |
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| 06:35.42 | nvz | secher: the command is lilo |
| 06:35.52 | nvz | secher: the one that actually installs lilo anyhow |
| 06:36.04 | nvz | secher: configuring it and installing it are 3 different things |
| 06:36.16 | tss_ | Is there any way to tell TAR to exclude binary files when creating an archive ? (I've looked in the manual, and it only mentions filename-based patterns) |
| 06:36.45 | caphuso | nvz: uhm, usb is fast enough for 100Mbit networking |
| 06:36.47 | lilo | hmmm |
| 06:37.03 | nvz | caphuso: thats news to me.. |
| 06:37.22 | nvz | lilo: back to bed. nothing to see here :P |
| 06:37.37 | nvz | ... certainly nothing to global message about .. heh |
| 06:37.42 | secher | nvz: just told lilo to install MBR on /dev/hdc ( the boot drive ) and it returned ERROR: install-mbr failed! YOru system may not be bootable. <shudder> ideas? |
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| 06:38.09 | caphuso | nvz: plus, there are tons of devices for which an ethernet connection isn't suitable |
| 06:38.32 | nvz | secher: nope doesnt sound like the actual source of the problem to me.. sounds like the effect not the cause. or the warning not the error |
| 06:39.01 | secher | nvz: got you.. |
| 06:39.08 | smartbhai | hmm seems im stuck with my usb cable modem |
| 06:39.44 | nvz | I am stuck with one too, but I dont use the USB port. we use the little antenna hanging out of it, and the ethernet port |
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| 06:41.03 | ViViD | anyone know why apt is unable to install nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 06:41.04 | nvz | caphuso: usb networking just seems like its for people who dont have or need a perminant network. its like a plug-and-play virtual network |
| 06:41.22 | caphuso | nvz: yeah, that's one of the more obscure uses of USB |
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| 06:41.53 | nvz | caphuso: like using it for video.. these are just things I dont think are good ideas |
| 06:42.34 | harryl | my case connectors for USB only have 4 positions and mb has 10 what with that? |
| 06:42.48 | nvz | caphuso: I was just looking at a USB->VGA adapter today.. if you only have USB1.1 this is probably only good for still frames.. and even with USB2 I hope you arent looking for high-res images with a high color depth |
| 06:43.01 | streuner | ViViD: what error you get (don't flood here) |
| 06:43.12 | caphuso | nvz: yeah, those usb "graphic card" thingies are abominations |
| 06:43.42 | harryl | got 2 4 position connector for 10 position on mb |
| 06:43.45 | streuner | ViViD: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 06:44.08 | streuner | ViViD: did you /msg dpkg nvidia yet? |
| 06:44.58 | hytt | ViViD>try maybe a: module-assistant update && module-assistant a-i nvidia |
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| 06:45.31 | ViViD | yea module assistant wasnt working |
| 06:45.36 | nvz | caphuso: it may be a cheap easy solution if you just need a second head, maybe even on a portable system like a laptop that you cant easily get a 2nd video card.. but its not going to work like a real video card. |
| 06:45.54 | harryl | so no overcurrent protection? if 2/10 pins on USB not used? |
| 06:45.55 | streuner | ViViD: just give us these infos |
| 06:46.11 | nvz | caphuso: I just think USB is far overrated and an end-all solution to a PnP hardware bus way before its time. |
| 06:46.27 | ViViD | im going to try /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 06:46.34 | caphuso | nvz: well, usb works pretty well nowadays |
| 06:46.40 | nvz | caphuso: the support for these devices hasnt matured enough you have to play hell convincing the software that these psuedo devices are real |
| 06:46.44 | caphuso | fast and cheap too |
| 06:47.32 | caphuso | nvz: heh, my monitor still isn't supported by anything but windows |
| 06:47.47 | nvz | caphuso: I dont have to explain to my kernel that my S3 Pro Suckage is a video card, or that my LNE 100TX is a cheap ethernet adapter. thats just understood. |
| 06:48.01 | caphuso | nvz: wrong, you need to have a module |
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| 06:48.31 | dusk | how can I completly remove mplayer? including all settings/etc |
| 06:48.38 | dusk | dpkg -P didnt work |
| 06:48.52 | nvz | caphuso: yeah but the modules for these devices are far more mature, which is what I said earlier |
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| 06:48.58 | streuner | dusk: read the man page of apt-get and dpkg carefully |
| 06:48.58 | vulture | dusk: your local settings will probably be in $HOME/.mplayer |
| 06:49.18 | \Igor\ | I've compiled a custom kernel for my system (it's been a while) and I think I'm forgetting to include something trivial but very important in the configuration |
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| 06:49.46 | \Igor\ | when booting the new kernel panics with the error: "VFS: cannot open root device "hda5" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 06:49.52 | sfullenwider | anyone know why xine-ui has no installation canidate? |
| 06:50.04 | \Igor\ | the stock Debian kernel with an initrd image boots fine |
| 06:50.09 | dusk | where exactly does it save this information? (when I apt-get) |
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| 06:50.22 | nvz | \Igor\: you lack statically-compiled support for you disk controller or your filesystem |
| 06:50.26 | \Igor\ | the root partition is an EXT3fs one on a regular IDE drive |
| 06:50.26 | streuner | sfullenwider: testing? |
| 06:50.27 | nvz | \Igor\: most likely |
| 06:50.31 | streuner | sfullenwider: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 06:50.38 | DJ_Necrogami | how do i activate eth0 if its setup for manual configuration? |
| 06:50.51 | nvz | \Igor\: is generic IDE and ext3 support compiled statically in you kernel? |
| 06:50.55 | \Igor\ | nvz: I thought I included those, any tips for what I should check for? |
| 06:50.58 | caphuso | DJ_Necrogami: man 5 interfaces |
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| 06:51.12 | \Igor\ | nvz: i.e., what are the option names in the kernel config? |
| 06:51.15 | nvz | \Igor\: check to make sure they are _NOT_ dynamically loadable modules |
| 06:51.25 | sfullenwider | streuner: yeah I'm using testing |
| 06:51.47 | DJ_Necrogami | caphuso, uh i dont have MAN installed because im not that far yet |
| 06:51.58 | DJ_Necrogami | i need to bring up ETH0 so i can do a network isntall |
| 06:52.06 | nvz | \Igor\: grep EXT3_FS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 06:52.13 | sfullenwider | libc 2.3.5-6 |
| 06:52.15 | caphuso | DJ_Necrogami: the installer asks you for the necessary informations |
| 06:52.20 | streuner | sfullenwider: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:52.32 | DJ_Necrogami | its not comming up tho |
| 06:52.38 | DJ_Necrogami | it shows up in ifconfig |
| 06:52.43 | DJ_Necrogami | but its not connected |
| 06:52.49 | DJ_Necrogami | up's are all right |
| 06:52.52 | DJ_Necrogami | ip's |
| 06:53.04 | \Igor\ | nvz: I have all '=y' for the EXT3_FS options |
| 06:53.14 | \Igor\ | nvz: what about the IDE options? |
| 06:53.27 | ViViD | when i try to install nvidia-kernel-common i get an error that it has to installation candidate |
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| 06:53.44 | nvz | \Igor\: grep CONFIG_IDE /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 06:54.01 | nvz | \Igor\: you should have that and the generic support at least compiled statically |
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| 06:54.22 | \Igor\ | nvz: ok, it looks like I have '=y' for those too |
| 06:54.25 | caphuso | DJ_Necrogami: if it shows up with the informations you gave it in ifconfig but doesn't work, then your informations are wrong |
| 06:54.39 | caphuso | DJ_Necrogami: or your network is somehow broken |
| 06:54.40 | \Igor\ | nvz: I just thought of something |
| 06:54.46 | DJ_Necrogami | damnit |
| 06:54.58 | DJ_Necrogami | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.05 | \Igor\ | nvz: is it possible that make-kpkg somehow doesn't recognize the new config file if I don't clean before building? |
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| 06:55.32 | Guerin | \Igor\: no. |
| 06:55.48 | nvz | \Igor\: I use --config=menuconfig option so I see the config before compiling |
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| 06:56.03 | \Igor\ | nvz: same here |
| 06:56.05 | nvz | \Igor\: the --rootcmd=fakeroot lets you compile and package as a regular user, its nice too |
| 06:56.06 | dusk | hm, can someone help me with getting sound to work with mplayer? it was working before, i updated the kernel, updated alsa, updated my video driver.. now sound wont work, but video does, when I use the plugin, nother works |
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| 06:56.21 | \Igor\ | Guerin: ok thanks... but this now leaves me at a complete loss |
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| 06:56.50 | \Igor\ | I'm getting close to pulling my hair out :-( |
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| 06:57.43 | nvz | \Igor\: I dont know. I would try asking again if nobody has any other ideas.. see if you can dig up any more info.. specifics like the kernel version you had, and what you upgraded to. if there is any raid or lvm or anything else.. and also what this /dev/hda5 is specifically.. its your EXT3 debian / drive I suppose? |
| 06:57.50 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys haxx.se |
| 06:57.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'haxx.se' by key returned no results. |
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| 06:58.13 | streuner | Where is the factoid about 'why is foo package not in testing'? |
| 06:58.15 | Guerin | streuner: listvals |
| 06:58.19 | streuner | oh |
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| 06:58.23 | Guerin | !why is foo not in testing |
| 06:58.23 | streuner | true |
| 06:58.24 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
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| 06:58.43 | Guerin | streuner: as is commonly the case, the answer was in the question |
| 06:58.55 | streuner | Guerin: early in morning, i used 'why isn't foo in testing' :-) |
| 06:58.59 | \Igor\ | nvz: the thing is, I copied the .config file from an older custom kernel (2.6.10) with only minor changes for the new one (2.6.14), and I don't have any fancy options like raid or lvm |
| 06:59.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:59.26 | \Igor\ | I think I'll try to do a clean build with all the right options turned on in the config file, maybe that will work |
| 07:00.26 | \Igor\ | other than that, I'm out of ideas |
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| 07:00.58 | nvz | \Igor\: check ext2 support as well |
| 07:01.07 | nvz | \Igor\: if its not static you will have this problem |
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| 07:01.50 | \Igor\ | nvz: just checked, it's there (at least it is selected for static inclusion) |
| 07:02.32 | nvz | \Igor\: I dont have any other ideas in mind either. |
| 07:02.53 | \Igor\ | nvz: thanks for the advice anyway |
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| 07:03.17 | \Igor\ | this build will take a while... then I'll see if I'll really need to pull my hair out |
| 07:04.14 | harryl | just bid on 10/100 intel pro B ethernet pci Any Good? $5.00 total |
| 07:04.17 | nvz | speaking of pulling hair out.. I need a haircut and a shave |
| 07:04.24 | nvz | I am looking grissly |
| 07:04.42 | \Igor\ | nvz: don't we all ;) |
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| 07:05.35 | harryl | is it supported in debian? |
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| 07:06.38 | nvz | I am not a woman, and athlete or anything like that.. so I dont really have to shave |
| 07:06.41 | ViViD | does anyone know how to install the nvidia drivers? i keep getting errors getting nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 07:07.18 | nvz | keeps you warmer with hair.. but I dont much like it most places.. like on my chin.. its uncomfortable feeling it rub against stuff all the time |
| 07:07.29 | harryl | ViViD: I'm new at this but is it a .deb? |
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| 07:07.55 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 07:07.55 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 07:08.00 | naveen | hi all |
| 07:08.04 | streuner | harryl: biding on a piece of hardware without knowing is it supported or not is NOT that clever ;-) |
| 07:08.06 | nvz | now that its growing in fuller it doesnt really feel too bad.. its getting softer instead of bristly |
| 07:08.07 | \Igor\ | ViViD: you'd have to say what errors you are getting to get any help |
| 07:08.16 | ViViD | dunno, i do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common, and it says the package has no installation candidate |
| 07:08.32 | harryl | yeah was once told any ethernet will work |
| 07:08.50 | naveen | I have used many linux distroÅ›. I would really like to test out debian. In what way is debian better than fedora? |
| 07:09.03 | ViViD | apt > rpm |
| 07:09.06 | apt | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ |
| 07:09.08 | streuner | naveen: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 07:09.24 | nvz | well I think I am just gonna go back to bed.. I am still getting paid to do nothing.. wait until that runs out and its daylight before I consider doing anything productive |
| 07:09.47 | harryl | told debian supports any ethernet, apparently odds makers wrong? |
| 07:10.13 | beleys_ | Poy |
| 07:10.24 | naveen | but the release sarge is very old and most of the are outdated :( |
| 07:10.31 | nvz | harryl: feel free to use complete sentances, we dont charge by the word. |
| 07:10.59 | harryl | english professor eh? |
| 07:11.05 | ViViD | debian is based on stability |
| 07:11.09 | nvz | harryl: even if we did, pronouns and verbs with 3 letters or less would probably be free |
| 07:11.13 | dusk | okay, ive tried everything, uninstalling alsa and mplayer.. reinstalling.. I just udpated my kernel to 2.6.14-2-k7, now mplayer wont do sound, i can get alsa sound from xmms, so IM confused |
| 07:11.20 | nvz | harryl: no, I just cant understand wtf you are talking about |
| 07:11.39 | nvz | harryl: because crucial parts of speech are missing |
| 07:11.50 | streuner | dusk: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 07:12.01 | harryl | nvz: trying to determine if intel pro B 10/100 pci card is waste of $5.00 or not |
| 07:12.17 | nvz | harryl: sounds like a deal to me |
| 07:12.35 | streuner | harryl: got mine for 1 buck :-P |
| 07:12.53 | harryl | alrighty |
| 07:12.58 | streuner | harryl: 3Com ISA - new |
| 07:13.05 | harryl | ISA yikes |
| 07:13.12 | naveen | should I wait until 2006 December for the release of etch stable |
| 07:13.14 | Phated | ISA? No wonder. :) |
| 07:13.19 | ViViD | maybe i need to add something to my sources.list to get the nvidia packages.. |
| 07:13.21 | naveen | thatÅ› too long! |
| 07:13.24 | nvz | harryl: its probably a realtek or natsemi chip |
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| 07:13.35 | streuner | Phated: well, it works like a charm ;-) |
| 07:13.36 | harryl | not intel? |
| 07:13.43 | Phated | streuner: Ah well, to each his own. |
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| 07:13.50 | nvz | harryl: intel doesnt make ethernet chips afaik |
| 07:14.09 | harryl | ahh, but they make chips to reduce cpu load |
| 07:14.30 | streuner | nvz: market is hard... |
| 07:14.38 | nvz | harryl: in any case, Realtek and Natsemi are both supported by linux |
| 07:15.01 | nvz | harryl: I would look harder on google to see what the chipset is.. try googling the model with the word linux or something |
| 07:15.19 | harryl | nvz: your point that ethernet chip on intel Realtek et al? |
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| 07:15.37 | nvz | harryl: the Linksys LNE100TX is a cheap nic, and it comes with the Penguin on the box.. its a tulip supported card. |
| 07:16.03 | harryl | now you tell me |
| 07:16.33 | harryl | is the Linksys also Realtek? |
| 07:16.48 | nvz | harryl: I've only had two nics die on me though in all my years, and they were both LNE100TX though.. I am not sure what that says |
| 07:16.57 | nvz | harryl: no the linksys are LNE100TX |
| 07:17.07 | nvz | harryl: see unlike intel, linksys is a networking company |
| 07:17.51 | harryl | static damage? |
| 07:18.21 | nvz | its a possibility |
| 07:18.32 | nvz | I've never worn an ESD strap |
| 07:18.44 | ViViD | how do i add contrib archaves to my sources.list..where can i get a list of them? |
| 07:18.50 | harryl | right touch the case |
| 07:19.11 | nvz | I usually just leave the case plugged in, try to not moonwalk the carpet or scrub my butt in the chair, and keep one hand on the case at all times |
| 07:19.17 | streuner_ | ViViD: add 'contrib' at the end of a deb-line |
| 07:19.35 | nvz | !qotd156 |
| 07:19.36 | dpkg | < koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
| 07:19.44 | streuner_ | ViViD: man sources.list would help too |
| 07:20.03 | nvz | heh, thats probably not funny to most people, who dont know about that Steven Speilburg cartoon |
| 07:20.11 | nvz | I thought it was fucking hilarious |
| 07:21.39 | b0xy | can somebody lighten an image for me? |
| 07:21.43 | b0xy | I'm having problems with shadows |
| 07:22.29 | nvz | b0xy: use the dodge tool in gimp to dodge the shadows |
| 07:22.46 | b0xy | I don't have any apps installed on this comp |
| 07:22.48 | b0xy | and can't |
| 07:22.53 | b0xy | I'm using a web IRC client even |
| 07:22.54 | nvz | !install it |
| 07:22.57 | b0xy | http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2694/pixel3vx.jpg |
| 07:23.07 | ViViD | sweet, adding the contrib archives worked |
| 07:23.19 | nvz | well I am not going to do it for you.. heh |
| 07:23.27 | nvz | find an online image editor |
| 07:23.30 | nvz | they are out there |
| 07:23.30 | liable | how can i find what options a module was loaded with? |
| 07:23.31 | b0xy | lol |
| 07:23.37 | b0xy | it's not worth it that much |
| 07:23.44 | nvz | they have web-based utils to edit photos |
| 07:23.55 | harryl | must be a butt image and not a boot image |
| 07:23.55 | b0xy | I just need to post some kinda image in a very short amount of time |
| 07:24.02 | b0xy | oh well |
| 07:24.30 | nvz | pressed fruit bowl, for the holiday |
| 07:24.45 | harryl | oh, front side image |
| 07:25.02 | nvz | harryl: perv.. hehe j/k |
| 07:25.58 | harryl | pretty lame, I know |
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| 07:26.14 | Cars | http://www.LuxuryCarForums.com |
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| 07:27.26 | nvz | lilo: travelling salesman Cars@165.190.89.157 if you are still around |
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| 07:28.51 | nvz | lilo: using your network to advertise some stupid forum that he probably gets paid by the hit |
| 07:28.55 | Drunken_Irony | "I can't have kids now but still want a family - maybe I'll adopt." |
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| 07:29.23 | legind | what's the nvidia one-liner? |
| 07:29.35 | nvz | dpkg, tell legind about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:29.42 | legind | thanks |
| 07:29.46 | nvz | np |
| 07:30.33 | Drunken_Irony | Boobies! |
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| 07:30.47 | nvz | oh well, wake up fuckers, I am going back to bed. Someone else gets to support debian now |
| 07:30.55 | nvz | :P |
| 07:31.29 | streuner_ | nvz: no |
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| 07:31.52 | streuner_ | nvz: you need to stay... :-P |
| 07:31.59 | nvz | I dont know wtf he is doing but I know its stupid |
| 07:32.17 | nvz | and I know I will get attention of his script if I say fuckers a few more times |
| 07:32.21 | nvz | fuckers |
| 07:32.25 | nvz | :) |
| 07:32.33 | streuner_ | haha |
| 07:32.40 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:33.56 | nvz | I dont have enough left to be a doubletoker |
| 07:34.05 | nvz | I am about to be a singletoker though |
| 07:34.48 | doubletoker | ha |
| 07:35.19 | nvz | I was gonna go get more and spend some time hanging around with some friends today.. but I figured since I am getting paid and not actually on the clock, I might as well just lay around and do nothing |
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| 07:36.39 | doubletoker | I was wonder, if anyone know what the display manager/graphical login is, that allows you to select the like kde, gnome, fluxbox and stuff like that |
| 07:36.54 | nvz | doubletoker: there are many. |
| 07:37.01 | nvz | doubletoker: gdm, kdm, xdm, wdm... |
| 07:37.37 | doubletoker | xdm: doesn't have a list that I choose from at login time. at least none that I see |
| 07:37.46 | nvz | doubletoker: gdm has some nice graphical themes available.. |
| 07:37.54 | john | gdm is nice ;) |
| 07:38.06 | nvz | doubletoker: there are two types of lists, the user browser list, and the session menu list |
| 07:38.52 | doubletoker | nvz: alright, I'll start using that, I was looking at a screen shot and saw a login that had like a drop down and wanted that |
| 07:39.09 | ViViD | anyone know what my video cards bus identifier would be?? |
| 07:39.26 | nvz | doubletoker: yeah kdm has that, and gdm's standard greeter. in the graphical greeter there is a session button that pops up a list dialog |
| 07:39.30 | streuner | ViViD: just ignore that |
| 07:40.05 | nvz | doubletoker: I made a factoid about where to get additional themes, as well as how to install them. there are ones in debian in the gdm-themes package, and you can /msg dpkg gdm themes, for more information. |
| 07:40.38 | nvz | doubletoker: you can essentially d/l the theme tarballs then run the gdm setup program and type the root passwd, and install them directly from the tarballs in your homedir |
| 07:40.43 | doubletoker | nvz: alright I'll do that |
| 07:40.48 | liable | grr, gonna have to compile a kernel for enabling wol.. |
| 07:40.53 | mastah | question about kernel compile: can someone point me in the right direction |
| 07:41.09 | Guerin | mastah: man make-kpkg |
| 07:41.14 | Guerin | that's the right direction |
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| 07:41.31 | stram | anyone have an idea as to how to have image previews work on image shares? |
| 07:41.40 | nvz | Guerin: only if kernel-package is installed ;) |
| 07:42.13 | mastah | hehe, thanks, more precisely: i'm having problem with initrd... |
| 07:42.15 | liable | so you need an initrd for software raid eh? |
| 07:42.44 | nvz | I am sure if you want to boot from a RAID or LVM of any kind you probably need or want an initrd |
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| 07:43.06 | liable | rightio then |
| 07:43.26 | nvz | I try to avoid that. I like to keep my system simple enough it can be booted or rescued without greif |
| 07:43.57 | nvz | never hurts to have a statically linked busybox toolchain either |
| 07:44.26 | nvz | you wont know until you need it, and by then its too late |
| 07:44.47 | mastah | well: i compiled a kernel and it works perfectly, but now if a compile another one (with exact same config), same modules, same everything, i loose DMA and 3D: any explanations? |
| 07:45.08 | nvz | mastah: yeah you are ignorant |
| 07:45.27 | mastah | nvz: i know that, that's why i ask |
| 07:45.33 | nvz | mastah: heh :) |
| 07:45.49 | nvz | mastah: let me guess, you installed 3rd party 3d drivers? |
| 07:45.54 | Guerin | mastah: always run make oldconfig |
| 07:46.03 | mastah | nvz: shame on me yes |
| 07:46.06 | liable | fuck it, i dont think i have too. fuck the initrd |
| 07:46.54 | nvz | mastah: yeah, well you see not integrating your drivers into the package system and building kernels the debian-way will do that to you. hopefully you at least made a headers package or have the source lying around to rebuild your modules |
| 07:47.00 | mastah | nvz: i don't mind using other drivers: just not xfree86 ones, there... well, you know |
| 07:47.26 | nvz | mastah: there is a right and a wrong way to integrate 3rd party software into a system like debian |
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| 07:48.25 | nvz | mastah: DDs are not nieve they anticipated people using stuff from outside debian. For it to work smoothly with the rest of the system, it needs to be aware that you even installed this 3rd party stuff |
| 07:48.40 | mastah | nvz: well i think i do it the ok way since i build a few before and they worked nice (make-kpkg is my tool) |
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| 07:49.34 | nvz | mastah: if you had build your 3d drivers the right way, then they would have noticed that you installed a new kernel package, and called up module assistant to rebuild them |
| 07:49.36 | mastah | nvz: i based my thing on http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/ |
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| 07:50.04 | ViViD | ok, i think i got it working now, gonna reload xserver, wish me luck :D |
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| 07:51.02 | nvz | oh well, Guerin is here, have fun fuxors I am going back to bed. |
| 07:51.22 | mastah | nvz: what i mean is: a week ago a built a perfectly working kernel (for my needs), now i do the exact same steps, and i lose DMA and 3D |
| 07:51.44 | Guerin | mastah: using the same source? |
| 07:52.07 | mastah | nvz: yop, same everything |
| 07:52.18 | mastah | that's what puzzle me |
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| 07:52.52 | Huahua | fre |
| 07:52.58 | mastah | i guest it as something to do with the fact that i use "make-kpkg ... --initrd ..." |
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| 07:53.44 | Guerin | mastah: if you use identical source, identical compiler, identical make-kpkg line, you'd get an identical kernel |
| 07:53.51 | Guerin | mastah: if you changed any of those, you might not. |
| 07:54.58 | mastah | well: there is something i am missing, same kernel source, same module source, same exact command, config from the working kernel, etc. |
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| 07:55.19 | mastah | but i use --initrd... |
| 07:55.26 | mastah | like the first one |
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| 07:56.26 | mastah | if i do mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-[kernel] it does "fix" it |
| 07:56.42 | mastah | so the problem is not the kernel in itself... |
| 07:57.40 | mastah | i'm lost: should i use "depmod -ae 2.6.14-<suffix>" after installing my kernel package and kernel_module_package ? |
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| 08:00.02 | lethias | how do you run a file that ends in .sh. |
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| 08:00.27 | Guerin | lethias: sh foo.sh |
| 08:00.55 | lethias | thanks |
| 08:00.56 | mastah | Guerin: i know i'm not explaining myself really well, and that you should suppose that i missed something obvious (as it is probably true)... well, i guest i'll continu to play with it: i'm sure i'll figure it out, if not i'll at least figure out a more precise question |
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| 08:01.24 | mastah | thanks anyway |
| 08:01.29 | nvz | mastah: was that kernel the same version as the one with working 3d? |
| 08:01.44 | nvz | I decided to stay a while longer |
| 08:02.02 | nvz | it may be 3am, but I dont have to stop serving alcohol, because I am not open to the public :P |
| 08:02.11 | mastah | same everything: kernel source vanilla 2.6.14.2 and ati drivers 8.19.10-i386 |
| 08:02.28 | nvz | I was feeling crappy but I feel better now :) |
| 08:03.10 | nvz | maybe some indigestion or something.. nothing a little indian pain killer couldnt handle |
| 08:03.23 | ajkroll | takeing a good core dump does that too |
| 08:03.31 | nvz | heh |
| 08:03.38 | nvz | I did that earlier |
| 08:03.40 | bam_ | sick bastards |
| 08:03.54 | bam_ | I already like you guys |
| 08:03.55 | ajkroll | did the paint on the wall peel? |
| 08:04.06 | ajkroll | was it smoking? |
| 08:04.21 | nvz | I ordered a pizza with extra peperoni this time and sausage cause I had already ate.. but it wasnt crashing the program yet.. |
| 08:04.28 | ajkroll | did you have to break it up with the toilet brush so it would go down? |
| 08:04.34 | nvz | after about two pizzas I was able to get a good core dump |
| 08:04.49 | nvz | I suppose you could just send it a signal and get it to core dump |
| 08:04.56 | bam_ | lots of bits and bytes |
| 08:05.04 | ajkroll | does your cat try to cover you? |
| 08:05.17 | nvz | I meant two pieces. |
| 08:05.32 | nvz | I didnt eat one pizza |
| 08:05.48 | nvz | I had to put the rest in the fridge |
| 08:06.03 | mastah | btw: any suggestion besides the ati drivers ? dri, gatos ? |
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| 08:06.31 | nvz | eating process threw a signal, I had to run a debugging routine to avoid a panic |
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| 08:08.16 | nvz | its getting too warm in here to chill the alcohol.. I can probably safely put it outside tonight.. last night it probably would have broke it |
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| 08:08.50 | justin420 | hi all. anybody help with dhcp client leases?? mainly renewing them?? when it comes time for my debian box to renew its lease it doesnt. the dhcp server is my router box. any ideas anyone??? |
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| 08:09.10 | nvz | its probably in the mid 40s by the door now.. its only 25degF(4degC) outside tonight sounds like a fine temp for alcohol |
| 08:09.24 | justin420 | ive tried ifconfig eth0 down, the ifconfig eth0 up, and that didnt work?? |
| 08:10.17 | nvz | justin420: I seen this on my friend pedro's box one time after I installed him win98 for dual boot.. it eventually resolved on its own.. he was getting dhcp directly from ISP. |
| 08:10.35 | nvz | justin420: dhclient eth0 will renew that interfaces IP |
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| 08:10.50 | nvz | justin420: or at lease send the Dhcpdiscover packets |
| 08:11.13 | nvz | justin420: you will be able to see whats happening |
| 08:12.04 | justin420 | nvz: thanks alot, appreaciate the help. If Winblows XP Pro can do (sometimes) then I would figure my great Debian box would definetly do it, but I guessed wrong. Which its probably my fault somehow, anyway thanks alot. :) |
| 08:12.22 | nvz | justin420: who knows we can track it down |
| 08:12.27 | nvz | justin420: could be anything. |
| 08:12.42 | nvz | justin420: you have your own dhcp server somewhere in the house? |
| 08:12.48 | justin420 | nvz: sounds good to me, I am about ready to buy another firewall |
| 08:12.57 | justin420 | nvz: a linky befsr41v2 |
| 08:12.58 | nvz | justin420: why is that? |
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| 08:13.36 | justin420 | nvz: i told them the problem i was having, and they pretty much said go fly a kite. i thought linksys was good. go fish. |
| 08:13.51 | nvz | justin420: like I had problems on my network once.. because we have a shitty Motorola Surfboard SBG900, and its an all-in-wonder network device that has a modem, gateway, wireless accesspoint all rolled into one. |
| 08:14.23 | nvz | justin420: its best security options are to turn off ESSID Broadcast, use a WEP Key, MAC Filtering, and limit DHCP pool |
| 08:14.32 | justin420 | nvz: hmm thats strange, cause i have a motorola sb4100 |
| 08:14.53 | nvz | justin420: well the damn windows boxes were scewing up the damn DHCP lease table and fucking themselves routinely |
| 08:15.07 | justin420 | nvz: damn microsux huh? :) |
| 08:15.17 | nvz | justin420: they would somehow loose the lease on their end and its still valid in the dhcp lease table.. so the router wouldnt let em in |
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| 08:15.30 | nvz | justin420: maybe someone was stealing their lease for all I know |
| 08:16.01 | justin420 | nvz: dhclient eth0 did the trick, im back in my routers dhcp clients table. THANKS A BILLION!!!! |
| 08:16.10 | nvz | the router at least keeps the firewall rules running inline with the dhcp pool and the port forwarding |
| 08:16.27 | nvz | so it wont let non dhcp users connect |
| 08:16.39 | justin420 | nvz: i figured cron would have something setup for that ( renewing the dhcp licences) or am i incorrect? |
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| 08:16.52 | nvz | which helps keep it a bit more secure, but you cant do static it seems |
| 08:17.06 | nvz | you have to statically assign within the dhcp pool |
| 08:17.45 | nvz | justin420: well I am not sure but I am pretty sure it doesnt need cron |
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| 08:18.08 | justin420 | nvz: then any idea on how to check and make sure things are setup correctly?? |
| 08:18.16 | nvz | justin420: I mean when you are on a network and your least expires I am sure its somewhere in the protocol |
| 08:18.34 | ViViD | anyone know how i can enable my second monitor now that ive installed the nvdrivers? |
| 08:18.36 | nvz | networking really isnt my area of interest or study |
| 08:19.10 | justin420 | nvz: cause I seem to loose my whole isp connection alot, but always seem to get the same ip? |
| 08:19.43 | justin420 | nvz: id say it happens at least 10 times a day. |
| 08:20.03 | Tchiak | so justin? |
| 08:20.19 | Tchiak | i happen to know rr for somereason decided to lease my ip for 1 month |
| 08:20.29 | Tchiak | so no matter if i get disconnected and reconnect it's always the same >_< |
| 08:20.37 | justin420 | Tchiak: so that is bullshit, and I would love to figure out why it does such things. :) |
| 08:20.48 | Tchiak | how is it bullshit |
| 08:20.52 | Tchiak | i get free service man |
| 08:21.01 | Tchiak | usually they charge another 10 bucks a month for a dedicated ip |
| 08:21.04 | nvz | most networks identify the device by MAC and if its listed you get access and usually the same IP |
| 08:21.32 | nvz | you pretty much have to be down long enough for the whole dhcp table on your node to fill up to get a different IP |
| 08:21.32 | justin420 | Tchiak: you suck, i have to pay 50$ a month for my 4000kbps down 400kbps up cable connection |
| 08:21.44 | nvz | its because you are always on the node, that you always get the same IP |
| 08:21.47 | uince | hi all |
| 08:22.30 | nvz | broadband is just like that because its always on |
| 08:22.53 | Tchiak | justin you make me so hat |
| 08:22.54 | Tchiak | hot |
| 08:23.01 | Tchiak | i want to do nasty things to you |
| 08:23.25 | justin420 | ViViD: do you have the nv drivers that came with linux or the nvidia drivers from nvidias website?? |
| 08:23.39 | justin420 | Tchiak: whoa there dude, chill out man. :) |
| 08:23.56 | nvz | justin420: you mean you realistically get like 4mb downstream? like from kernel.org or deb mirrors ..etc? |
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| 08:24.14 | nvz | my connection has been shitty lately on deb mirrors |
| 08:24.21 | nvz | I havent investigated yet |
| 08:24.43 | justin420 | nvz: im sure I would if I didnt have a linky box inbetween my cable modem and puters.... i usually avg 2mb/s |
| 08:24.44 | nvz | its probably someone sucking up all the bandwidth |
| 08:25.13 | ViViD | im using nvidia drivers from debian packages |
| 08:25.24 | nvz | justin420: but you can get d/l that fast? I am often hardpressed to manage a few hundred kb/s |
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| 08:26.01 | justin420 | ViViD: i had to download the nvidia drivers from their website to get my dual display to work. all i got with the debian drivers was garbled stuff on my second monitor. |
| 08:26.19 | justin420 | nvz: yeah buddy, sure can. |
| 08:26.40 | nvz | justin420: how many clients do you have and what OS? |
| 08:27.20 | ViViD | my second monitor is blank now, as if its not enabled, with the standard nv drivers from the cd i got garbled crap |
| 08:27.23 | justin420 | nvz: debian sarge and winxp pro, the windows box even has norton internet security installed, and i still get 2mb/s. just 2 clients. |
| 08:27.57 | justin420 | ViViD: http://nvidia.com/page/support.html |
| 08:28.14 | nvz | I probably got I think 9 or so. I got up to maybe 3 laptops wireless at once. 2 WinXP 1 OSXm and usually about 3 wireless WinXP(MC) desktops, and on my subnet I can now support up to 7 linux boxes.. I currently only have one |
| 08:28.14 | Tchiak | download from nvidia |
| 08:28.43 | justin420 | ViViD: it took a little tweaking of my xfree86 config file, but I got it to work. |
| 08:29.24 | justin420 | nvz: i wish i had that many boxes to play with, that sounds phun. :) |
| 08:30.27 | ViViD | it would be nice if there was a tutorial for it somewhere |
| 08:30.27 | nvz | I got 5 heads now, and network for up to 7, though I got power for only 6 monitors, and 3 pcs |
| 08:30.38 | ViViD | i dont feel comfortable editing my xf86config manually |
| 08:30.41 | nvz | justin420: well only the linux stuff is mine.. |
| 08:30.43 | justin420 | ViViD: there is, just look |
| 08:31.02 | justin420 | ViViD: ill paste my XF86Config-4 file for you to take a look at.... |
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| 08:31.26 | justin420 | ViViD: http://pastebin.com/438513 |
| 08:31.26 | Tchiak | if you don't feel comfortable make a backup copy of your current xfree86 config file |
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| 08:31.34 | justin420 | good point. |
| 08:31.35 | Tchiak | that way if it messes up you just restore the original copy |
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| 08:31.38 | justin420 | always make backup |
| 08:31.50 | nvz | my power cube has a Master, 2 Aux, Monitor, and Printer lines.. I got a 6 port strip on the monitor line. |
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| 08:32.27 | nvz | I need to put a plug strip on probably the master. because when I shut down the boxes they will turn themselves off anyhow. |
| 08:32.41 | nvz | I normally only leave one on unless I am using the others |
| 08:32.47 | justin420 | nvz: i just wish i had acouple laptops to play around with, and a wireless ap and stuffs, i would be happy. :) |
| 08:33.07 | nvz | justin420: do you have a hardware budget or could manage one? |
| 08:33.08 | justin420 | nvz: i constantly have my crunching stuff for boinc |
| 08:33.21 | nvz | justin420: or do you do any interesting research or development? |
| 08:33.41 | justin420 | nvz: sorta do, but my habits come first. mota and cervasa's |
| 08:33.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:33.42 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 08:33.51 | justin420 | and jack daniels |
| 08:33.53 | justin420 | :) |
| 08:33.57 | Tchiak | hehe |
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| 08:34.31 | Tchiak | i have a pentium 2, named Xbox, and a main that's called Nevermind, and another computer i call Cluster |
| 08:34.37 | Tchiak | Cluster is still being constructed |
| 08:34.58 | nvz | justin420: heh. you can get laptops pretty cheap depending on what you want/need I seen two of those shitty clamshell ibooks with airport in good cond. on ebay for $500 buy it now. theres a pair of wireless ready notebooks for $500 |
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| 08:35.11 | nvz | justin420: x86 laptops are even cheaper. |
| 08:35.51 | justin420 | nvz: i want me a brand spanking new laptop pretty much fully loaded, all the extra bells and whisles.... lowest price i got so far was 3800$ |
| 08:35.57 | justin420 | hp |
| 08:36.11 | nvz | justin420: bah I wouldnt buy that ever |
| 08:36.21 | Tchiak | i don't buy laptops |
| 08:36.25 | nvz | justin420: compaqs and hp laptops I go through in less than a year |
| 08:36.26 | Tchiak | well i have two but they are old clunkers |
| 08:36.28 | justin420 | nvz: hp laptops no good huh?? |
| 08:36.33 | Tchiak | i mainly use them for secure data storage |
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| 08:36.37 | nvz | justin420: usually dont even get all the hardware working in that time |
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| 08:36.56 | nvz | justin420: so many fucking hardware bugs it takes longer than a year to sort out and patch |
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| 08:37.29 | nvz | justin420: and they arent built strong enough to survive normal wear and tear apart for expoloratory so you can get the shit to work.. heh |
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| 08:37.55 | nvz | justin420: I will only buy used x86 because they are mostly all disposable |
| 08:38.05 | justin420 | nvz: my linux box is a gateway p4ht 1.8ghz 512rdram-pc800 nonecc. and moms winxp pro box is a gateway p3 500mhz 312mb sdram |
| 08:38.05 | nvz | justin420: some are rugged though.. |
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| 08:38.47 | nvz | justin420: I just had to swap out a friend's gateway 1ghz machine because it sucked so bad he couldnt stand it, and I couldnt stand trying to make it run like a fucking 1ghz |
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| 08:39.05 | nvz | justin420: I gave him this old dell optiplex 667mhz I got out of the rain. |
| 08:39.14 | justin420 | lol |
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| 08:40.13 | nvz | justin420: I dont know wtf is up with that gateway he had. it has the same fucking mobo as the dell basically. the dell has onboard 3com tornado and sound.. but its the same VIA 82cxxxx chipset. |
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| 08:40.32 | justin420 | hey nvz: mind if i private msg ya? got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0? |
| 08:40.37 | nvz | justin420: it ran slow as all hell. you click on the kde menu or gnome menu and it would peel onto the screen. |
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| 08:41.02 | nvz | justin420: use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 08:41.06 | cahoot | Guerin: no logs? |
| 08:41.06 | justin420 | nvz: mine does that after 200 some odd hours |
| 08:41.10 | nvz | heh |
| 08:41.12 | Tchiak | my main box is a custom built with AMD 2800+ 2.0 ghz processor 1gb ram, about 580gb total space, Geforce 6200, creative audigy2 sound card, onboard nic, and kiddied up like no tommorrow with cathodes ^_^ |
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| 08:41.28 | Tchiak | i'm planning on buying and installing a LCD screen that fits in the 5.25 bay |
| 08:41.33 | Guerin | cahoot: grep iss always the hardest command |
| 08:41.40 | nvz | hey its just somehow gateways suck ass hard |
| 08:41.43 | nvz | I dont know how |
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| 08:42.01 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 08:42.03 | Tchiak | that's why i custom build |
| 08:42.06 | justin420 | nvz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1173 |
| 08:42.09 | Tchiak | at least if it sucks it will be my fault |
| 08:42.14 | nvz | the machine had comparable spec, and when I take its CPU, RAM, HDs out and put it into another system and it runs 300% better |
| 08:42.17 | nvz | makes me wonder |
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| 08:43.04 | Tchiak | gateway is notorius for using cheap ass bridges which actually choke transfer from the cpu to the ram |
| 08:43.28 | justin420 | gateway cheep?? naaahhhhh, NEVER... NOT |
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| 08:43.41 | nvz | justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure |
| 08:43.44 | Tchiak | the north bridge is generally really fucking dirty |
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| 08:44.01 | justin420 | nvz: even with the sit0 lines??? |
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| 08:45.00 | nvz | justin420: you sent a single DHCPDISCOVER packed, got a DHCPOFFER and requested a lease, and recieved the dhcp pack |
| 08:45.34 | nvz | justin420: thats probably some misconfiguration somewhere.. its ignoring an unknown interface sit0 |
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| 08:45.49 | justin420 | nvz: yes true.... but i dont get why its said "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" twice. |
| 08:45.53 | nvz | dpkg, sit |
| 08:45.57 | nvz | dpkg, sit0 |
| 08:46.10 | justin420 | nvz: im STFW now. :) |
| 08:46.10 | nvz | I wanted you to tell me wtf that was, not to sit there |
| 08:46.17 | nvz | dpkg, STFW |
| 08:46.17 | dpkg | i heard stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 08:46.32 | nvz | I am not used to seeing that one |
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| 08:46.33 | Tchiak | it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' sgoing on with their DHCP it's only natural |
| 08:46.44 | nvz | I guess I am used to the old-timers RTFM |
| 08:46.55 | justin420 | tchiak: haha. |
| 08:47.04 | Tchiak | if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 08:47.21 | nvz | heh |
| 08:47.32 | justin420 | tchiak: is it ribbed for our pleasure??? or what. |
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| 08:48.10 | Tchiak | no but the packet is poorly coded and excessive use of thee packet will result in sustained internet activity |
| 08:48.30 | Tchiak | if this activity persists for more than 24 hours, please see your local NOC, cause it may be terminal |
| 08:48.38 | justin420 | tchiak: damn, little internet babies running around, frakin great. |
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| 08:49.52 | justin420 | nvz: anyways. thanks for your help again, and im outa here. time to boke a smole. |
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| 08:49.55 | nvz | dpkg, qotd157 is <reply>< justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 08:49.55 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
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| 08:50.28 | justin420 | somebody is cleaver. :) |
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| 08:50.55 | nvz | hey I got to fill up qotd 157, 158 and 159 before they are called up by qotd0 |
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| 08:51.11 | nvz | and the last one I made was yesturday, so its cool to make one today |
| 08:51.12 | justin420 | l8r yall, |
| 08:51.21 | Tchiak | Justin i missed you more than a retard misses the point |
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| 08:51.45 | nvz | !factinfo qotd156 |
| 08:51.45 | dpkg | qotd156 -- created by nvz <n=nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> 11h 2m 58s ago; it has been requested once, last by nvz, 1h 32m 10s ago. |
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| 08:52.10 | nvz | yeah 11hrs ago was definatly friday |
| 08:52.20 | nvz | 157 is sat's qotd |
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| 08:52.40 | nvz | maybe that would be sat'd |
| 08:52.46 | vimman | is ext 3 better of reseirfs better ? |
| 08:52.50 | nvz | though I dont think there is any proper way to do that :P |
| 08:53.13 | Guerin | vimman: if you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 08:53.23 | nvz | vimman: peanut butter is good |
| 08:53.28 | nvz | Guerin: :) |
| 08:53.43 | nvz | we avoid the question in different ways |
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| 08:54.04 | nvz | CodeBot: hello |
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| 08:54.20 | nvz | so far so good |
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| 08:55.01 | nvz | eh.. now its cloning |
| 08:55.04 | nvz | :P |
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| 08:55.20 | Codemaster_ | hi nvz |
| 08:55.22 | delox99 | hi all |
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| 08:55.39 | delox99 | i have a question |
| 08:55.43 | nvz | earth to host-212-68-221-54.brutele.be ... come in.. sir, are you classified as human? |
| 08:55.50 | delox99 | if i recompile a kernel |
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| 08:56.03 | Tchiak | Negative, i am a human popsicle |
| 08:56.07 | delox99 | do i need to do something with header files? |
| 08:56.09 | nvz | meat popcicle |
| 08:56.15 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 08:56.19 | Tchiak | yeah yeah |
| 08:56.22 | Codemaster_ | nvz i am, codebot isn't |
| 08:56.23 | Guerin | meatcicle! |
| 08:56.26 | Tchiak | been awhile since i've seen it -_- |
| 08:56.33 | nvz | Codemaster_: statistic bot? |
| 08:56.43 | delox99 | lets say i run 2.4 and compile 2.6 |
| 08:56.46 | nvz | Codemaster_: i.e. logger? |
| 08:56.53 | Codemaster_ | nope infobot, but under consttruction |
| 08:56.59 | Tchiak | are you horny guerin? |
| 08:57.00 | delox99 | afer compiling do i need to change the header files in some ways? |
| 08:57.15 | delox99 | for 2.6 headers? |
| 08:57.30 | nvz | Codemaster_: did you ask to run that here? is it going to trigger on any special words or characters our users type? |
| 08:57.35 | Guerin | Tchiak: why? you got fie dollah? |
| 08:57.44 | Codemaster_ | nvz no logging at all |
| 08:57.50 | liable | delox99: what are you actually trying to do that leads to this question? |
| 08:57.51 | Tchiak | i got fidy and ahotel room |
| 08:58.06 | Codemaster_ | nvz no it'wont trigger, at least it schouldn't |
| 08:58.09 | nvz | Codemaster_: logging would be your business. a bot that responds to language is different |
| 08:58.31 | delox99 | well i recompiled my kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.10 |
| 08:58.33 | nvz | Codemaster_: keep it quiet if its going to be around, especially when you are not watching it :P |
| 08:58.39 | delox99 | now i have a usb problem |
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| 08:58.54 | liable | delox99: so maybe you forgot usb shits.. |
| 08:58.58 | Guerin | !wayc delox99 |
| 08:59.01 | dpkg | delox99: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 08:59.05 | nvz | Codemaster_: its running on your host, if it doesnt, you are just getting your own mouth duct taped :P |
| 08:59.09 | delox99 | my computer is supposed to have only usb 2.0 ports using ehci_hdc |
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| 08:59.29 | Guerin | delox99: ehci works on top of either u or ohci |
| 08:59.36 | Codemaster_ | nvz i only run it for debug/dev so i'm always behind it |
| 08:59.37 | Guerin | delox99: you need u or o and e |
| 08:59.40 | delox99 | im trying to connect an APC UPS to it |
| 08:59.57 | delox99 | and i think that i need u and o too |
| 08:59.59 | delox99 | exactly |
| 09:00.00 | liable | i gotta get me one of them |
| 09:00.08 | Guerin | delox99: you only ever need one of u or o |
| 09:00.10 | nvz | Codemaster_: ok. just so long as its not spewing nonesense in response to anything said, or interfere with the other bots in the channel |
| 09:00.20 | cahoot | nvz: hmm |
| 09:00.22 | Guerin | delox99: unless you have two usb controllers, which you almost certainly don't |
| 09:00.33 | delox99 | so i would like to recompile it with these module or do i need to recompile or i can just recompile the modules? |
| 09:00.38 | delox99 | im a bit newbie |
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| 09:00.56 | nvz | cahoot: szz |
| 09:01.05 | Guerin | !wayc delox99 |
| 09:01.06 | dpkg | delox99: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:01.12 | liable | delox99: so why compile it at all? |
| 09:01.54 | Codemaster_ | nvz, i hold him quitte no worries |
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| 09:02.06 | delox99 | i recompiled because i was looking to fix another problem i had before with sata on asus a8n-sli |
| 09:02.26 | fooz | yay working 20 hours |
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| 09:02.30 | nosklo | I just got a toshiba notebook. Going to debianize it, after windows exorcising techniques. It has a SATA hd. Any suggestions, should i install sarge and then upgrade to sid, or should i go to sid directly? |
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| 09:03.15 | delox99 | can i just compile the u and o modules without recompiling the whole kernel? |
| 09:03.22 | liable | delox99: and whats dmesg say when you plug it in anyway? |
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| 09:03.32 | delox99 | nothing |
| 09:03.37 | delox99 | nothing happens |
| 09:03.37 | Tchiak | nosklo i offer my services as a preacher to help rid your laptop of the evil demon that lays within |
| 09:03.47 | kikinovak | Hi. I downloaded and burnt the first two ISOs from Debian Sarge CDs at a friend's home (I'm on dialup, he has DSL). Installed a base system from there, took a peek in sources.list, and curiously, the two CDs are tagged _Sarge_ ... unstable ... why unstable? Someone forgot to change it to stable? |
| 09:03.55 | delox99 | when i run apcupsd it cannot find the ups |
| 09:04.01 | liable | !laptop |
| 09:04.01 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 09:04.08 | liable | nosklo: ^^ |
| 09:04.13 | delox99 | i tried my MS mouse, a usb2.0 hub too |
| 09:04.14 | nosklo | Tchiak, i accept your offer... The beast hasnt even appeared yet |
| 09:04.17 | delox99 | nothing |
| 09:04.21 | nosklo | Tchiak, (no windows boots) |
| 09:04.23 | delox99 | in any ports |
| 09:04.24 | Guerin | kikinovak: error on the initial release of the debian cds. Was fixed several hours after release with 3.1r0a |
| 09:04.31 | nosklo | liable, tnx |
| 09:04.45 | Guerin | kikinovak: embarrasing, but very few people were affected |
| 09:04.47 | Tchiak | he may not have shown but is there |
| 09:04.49 | delox99 | when i do cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 09:04.53 | Tchiak | festering waiting for the right time to strike |
| 09:04.54 | kikinovak | Guerin but this is a set of 3.1r0a CDs, and I downloaded them yesterday |
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| 09:05.08 | liable | Guerin: stiil with the latest iirc. |
| 09:05.10 | kikinovak | Guerin what can I do now? |
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| 09:05.15 | delox99 | i get the ehci usb2,0 hub controller and thats it |
| 09:05.18 | Guerin | liable: wtf, seriously? |
| 09:05.30 | Guerin | kikinovak: change it to stable |
| 09:05.32 | liable | Guerin: yeah dunno wtf its about. |
| 09:05.40 | nosklo | Tchiak, it almost showed up, but my "ctrl-alt-del" technique was faster |
| 09:05.42 | Guerin | kikinovak: you must have selected 'unstable' during install |
| 09:05.50 | Tchiak | Our lord linux, hallowed be thine name. Look down upon this poor laptop with great pity, as it knows not what it carries inside it. Let your ever compiling hands embrace this poor creature and show it to the light. Amen |
| 09:05.55 | Tchiak | I will now perform the ritual |
| 09:05.58 | Guerin | this was definitely fixe last time I installed a sarge machine |
| 09:06.07 | kikinovak | Guerin there was nothing to select from during install |
| 09:06.08 | liable | kikinovak: leave the cd's as they are, but make sure any http or ftp are sarge |
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| 09:06.38 | Tchiak | uhh this could take awhile |
| 09:06.44 | liable | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:06.51 | kikinovak | liable OK... I just don't want to be forced to fetch anything KDE or GNOME from the internet... this would take days. |
| 09:07.22 | kikinovak | Guerin thanks anyway |
| 09:07.26 | kikinovak | liable thanks too |
| 09:07.32 | liable | kikinovak: if you dont have ftp or http in sources list, it wont fetch from net |
| 09:07.56 | nvz | Tchiak: there is some stuff out now they tell me is like liquid silk.. I wouldnt let em put it on me.. I dont like greasy or sticky stuff |
| 09:08.13 | kikinovak | liable I _have_ ... unfortunately, neither bitchx (to talk here) nor libncurses5-dev (to compile custom kernel) were on the CDs :o( |
| 09:08.49 | delox99 | could it be something with hotplug or udev? |
| 09:08.50 | delox99 | if i connect all these in my laptop that runs sarge 2.6.8 everything is detected normally |
| 09:08.52 | Tchiak | i've always enjoyed the gooey feel of margarine |
| 09:08.52 | Tchiak | :| |
| 09:08.52 | liable | kikinovak: no prob, just comment them temporarily or unplug while you install gnome/kde |
| 09:08.53 | nvz | not to mention the girl that had the stuff was nasty |
| 09:09.03 | nvz | somebody else i may let put the stuff on me |
| 09:09.23 | Tchiak | it's like buttering popcorn... my penis is obviously the popcorn |
| 09:09.24 | nvz | its circumstancial I am sure. |
| 09:09.45 | nvz | heh |
| 09:09.52 | Tchiak | so are the pictures of me and that transvestite |
| 09:09.54 | liable | Tchiak: you are starting to get creepy.. |
| 09:09.57 | Tchiak | thank you county circuit judge |
| 09:10.07 | nvz | heh |
| 09:10.18 | Codemaster_ | nvz, i removed debian from his channelslist. you won't see him again for a while |
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| 09:10.50 | Tchiak | ? |
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| 09:11.06 | nvz | Codemaster_: its not a big deal, I am just drunk and seen what looked to be a bot and someone I dont know with multiple joins.. just checking thats all. |
| 09:11.31 | Tchiak | yes we only allow people we know to break rules and eat pumpkin pie |
| 09:11.32 | Tchiak | mmmmm pie |
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| 09:11.54 | nvz | Codemaster_: its polite to ask the channel owner or operators when running bots. especially in large channels like this that are owned by a project. |
| 09:12.01 | nosklo | argh no network hardware detected :( |
| 09:12.11 | nvz | heh |
| 09:12.35 | nvz | Tchiak: keep your distance peter squeezer |
| 09:12.45 | nvz | pecker cheese |
| 09:12.54 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 09:12.57 | nvz | heh |
| 09:13.06 | liable | nosklo: ouch, might wanna try the etch installer.. |
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| 09:13.13 | Tchiak | pink hatted banana pusher, punching into an ass |
| 09:13.28 | liable | ... |
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| 09:13.38 | nvz | ok this is getting out of hand now, and I am drunk.. I dont know what you are on |
| 09:13.39 | Tchiak | ass as in donkey |
| 09:13.49 | Tchiak | i am quite drunk as well |
| 09:13.54 | nvz | you really need to resemble an on-topic participant of the channel |
| 09:13.58 | Tchiak | also i think i was drugged |
| 09:13.59 | liable | meh, my newer box is slower at compiling than my laptop. :( |
| 09:14.07 | Tchiak | last rave i ever go to |
| 09:14.29 | nosklo | liable, ok, downloading... |
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| 09:14.50 | Tchiak | so anyways |
| 09:14.51 | Tchiak | just curious |
| 09:14.59 | liable | nosklo: check tuxmobil for your laptop and see what problems others have had. |
| 09:15.02 | Tchiak | why does debian maintain packages of drivers that don't work? |
| 09:15.08 | quitte | raves do still exist? now im surprised |
| 09:15.10 | Tchiak | aka the nvidia package |
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| 09:15.57 | Guerin | Tchiak: it does work. |
| 09:16.28 | Tchiak | but not as well as the nvidia drivers you get off the website |
| 09:16.40 | Guerin | Tchiak: that would be user error |
| 09:16.49 | Guerin | unsurprisingly |
| 09:16.58 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 09:16.59 | Codemaster_ | nvz, i'm sorry for this, i was just i need of a large channel to see my bot handling large nicklists.. |
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| 09:17.08 | nosklo | liable, thanks again |
| 09:17.15 | Tchiak | how can it be user error that if you run debian supplied nvidia package that it wont' let you play AA for linux |
| 09:17.21 | liable | nosklo: np |
| 09:17.26 | Tchiak | but if you install the actual nvidia drivers from teh site it does no problem |
| 09:17.30 | nvz | Codemaster_: thats fine. it was doing it without being a PITA, but you should ask first. |
| 09:17.51 | nvz | Codemaster_: its really only an issue when its being bothersome. |
| 09:18.04 | Vyrus001 | im trying to install a usb type zd1211 "wifi card" the driver compiled fine and the driver loads via an insmod and works fine. lsmod shows the driver loaded, but when i plug in the card and run iwconfig the wlan0 device apeares but it give me the caption "no wireless extensions"? |
| 09:18.10 | Guerin | Tchiak: the nvidia one-liner does work. I know it works, because I have used it, as have hundreds of other people. |
| 09:18.11 | nvz | dpkg, ue $1 is <reply> $1: /!\ User Error. Replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. [OK] |
| 09:18.11 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 09:18.17 | Codemaster_ | nvz, for futher tests i will ask |
| 09:18.18 | nvz | !ue Tchiak |
| 09:18.19 | dpkg | Tchiak: /!\ User Error. Replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. [OK] |
| 09:18.23 | liable | Vyrus001: madwifi? |
| 09:18.33 | Vyrus001 | liable: no |
| 09:18.36 | Vyrus001 | zd1211 |
| 09:18.46 | Tchiak | nvz.. which is better the nvidia drivers supplied by nvidias website or the nvidia-package |
| 09:18.53 | liable | !insmod |
| 09:18.53 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 09:18.55 | Tchiak | you know the one that sends garbled crap to a second monitor |
| 09:19.03 | Guerin | Tchiak: they are the SAME DRIVERS |
| 09:19.19 | Tchiak | they why does the debian ones not work >_< |
| 09:19.21 | nvz | Codemaster_: if you are just bringing it in here while you are watching it, and its not going to be doing anything annoying, flooding, join/parting a lot, or responding to any certain language or symbols.. I wouldnt worry about it. |
| 09:19.24 | Tchiak | yet the ones off the site work |
| 09:19.32 | Guerin | Tchiak: because you didn't install it correctly |
| 09:19.38 | Guerin | are you seeing a pattern here? |
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| 09:19.39 | Tchiak | how the hell can i not install it correctly |
| 09:19.50 | Tchiak | apt-get install <package name> |
| 09:19.58 | Tchiak | that's a toughy |
| 09:20.04 | Guerin | Tchiak: that's not how you install them |
| 09:20.07 | nvz | Tchiak: they are the same fucking thing afaik |
| 09:20.13 | Guerin | so ... there's your reason |
| 09:20.21 | Guerin | !tell Tchiak about nvidia one liner |
| 09:20.22 | Tchiak | that's not how i install the package that debian provides over apt |
| 09:20.26 | nvz | Tchiak: its just one is integrated into the package system and the other is not |
| 09:20.47 | Tchiak | o_O |
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| 09:20.53 | Codemaster_ | nvz, the only thing i did is join/part, and i appologize for that, the userspool is ok now i don't need that anymore, maybe later when i will port it to mono again |
| 09:20.58 | nvz | Tchiak: integration is obviously better because it can be properly removed and upgraded when the kernel changes |
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| 09:21.03 | Tchiak | why doesn't apt-get automatically get al lthe packages that the nvidia package depends on |
| 09:21.04 | Tchiak | ? |
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| 09:21.19 | nvz | Codemaster_: eww, whatever pulls your bandwagon :P |
| 09:21.30 | nvz | Codemaster_: are you developing this for a business application? |
| 09:21.36 | Vyrus001 | liable: modprobe does not find the driver |
| 09:21.43 | Codemaster_ | nope, for fun lol |
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| 09:22.05 | liable | Vyrus001: strange, try depmod -a |
| 09:22.12 | nvz | I never thought of mono in any context to be fun |
| 09:22.22 | Vyrus001 | liable: no response |
| 09:22.34 | liable | yay, first compile for this box, and i actually got it all right.. |
| 09:22.37 | nvz | dpkg, mono |
| 09:22.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 09:22.48 | nvz | mononucleosis |
| 09:22.54 | liable | Vyrus001: thats a good thing |
| 09:23.48 | Vyrus001 | liable: ok ... well modprobe does not recognize the driver at all but i can insmod it and the driver loads... and it detects the wifi card but nothing comes up in iwconfig other than the device name |
| 09:23.55 | liable | yay, and the patch worked for wol :) |
| 09:23.56 | Vyrus001 | so i know the driver is doing SOMTHING ? |
| 09:23.59 | nvz | maybe they call it mono, because you are going to be single for a while |
| 09:24.02 | Codemaster_ | nvz, i'm comming from .Net, and mono permits me to port some of my projects to linux |
| 09:24.14 | liable | Vyrus001: are the other modules loaded? |
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| 09:24.30 | Vyrus001 | liable: wich other modules |
| 09:24.40 | nvz | Codemaster_: so does C, Python, Perl, Java... ... ... etc.. and they are not Microsoft technologies. |
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| 09:25.34 | nvz | Codemaster_: MS usually wants you to pay for API's and for Development tools, compilers, then they want money for lisc..etc they will think of something.. the longer you go without sending money to redmond the more things they will think up to charge you for |
| 09:25.45 | fooz | guys.. mono isn't put out by MS |
| 09:25.54 | liable | Vyrus001: i dunno, but there will more than likely be more than one. check the docs for it. |
| 09:26.02 | nvz | no but the .NET framework is their API |
| 09:26.12 | fooz | the Microsft .NET SDK is. mono is just a reimplementation of it by a third party |
| 09:26.25 | nvz | when you design an app around .NET you are designing it around MS |
| 09:26.26 | Codemaster_ | nvz, mono is not m$ and i don(t know the other languages that much, i work in C# |
| 09:26.33 | fooz | using mono doesn't give Microsoft any money |
| 09:26.43 | nvz | and C# is definatly MS |
| 09:26.44 | Vyrus001 | ok |
| 09:26.46 | liable | haha and it works too :)) |
| 09:27.21 | Tchiak | i want more bloodshed |
| 09:27.25 | fooz | .NET is just a better Java, anyway. there's nothing evil about it |
| 09:27.30 | Tchiak | i was at the black friday sales yesterday morning @_@ |
| 09:27.34 | Tchiak | there was bloodshed |
| 09:27.34 | Codemaster_ | nvz, mono is working on both M$ and linux |
| 09:27.48 | nvz | Codemaster_: I know, and like I said so are many others |
| 09:27.55 | Codemaster_ | nvz, so you can make opensource on M$ too |
| 09:28.06 | Vyrus001 | liable: sais there is only one |
| 09:28.17 | Tchiak | bad codemaster |
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| 09:28.27 | Tchiak | opensource and microsoft are not to be put in the same sentence |
| 09:28.31 | Tchiak | BAD MS MONKEY! BAD |
| 09:28.58 | fooz | it's sunday in #debian again :/ |
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| 09:29.06 | liable | Vyrus001: oh |
| 09:29.19 | nvz | in what part of the world is in sunday?! |
| 09:29.24 | nvz | !permasunday |
| 09:29.25 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 09:29.35 | fooz | i just said.. in #debian |
| 09:29.37 | liable | bah, it doesnt work after a power outage. :( |
| 09:29.56 | liable | which was the whole point.. |
| 09:30.01 | nvz | fooz: where have you been anyhow?! I havent seen you in like a year |
| 09:30.08 | Tchiak | i'm unemployed so every day is a sunday for me right now |
| 09:30.09 | Eulex | Tchiak, shouldn't that be 'paperclip' instead of 'monkey'? |
| 09:30.09 | fooz | i lurk |
| 09:30.20 | fooz | don't have much use for IRC |
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| 09:30.36 | Codemaster_ | for linux freaks not indeed, but if you are an M$ user and you want to use some of the good stuff a linux guy wrote, there is mono |
| 09:30.38 | fooz | i just run irssi and restart it every 40 or so days, when it crashes by itself |
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| 09:30.45 | nvz | IRC isnt really a utility. its a way of life |
| 09:30.51 | aep | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9tRg2115.html |
| 09:30.52 | nvz | jack in. got IRC? |
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| 09:31.03 | aep | sshd colsed connection (help) |
| 09:31.11 | fooz | mono's pretty l33t, really. it's a better .NET SDK than Microsoft's |
| 09:31.33 | Tchiak | my webhost won't let me have ssh connection to my site w/o a "justifiable reasons" |
| 09:31.44 | Codemaster_ | fooz, it just lacks a good dev UI |
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| 09:32.05 | nvz | Tchiak: I'd say I pay you money, thats justifiable. or else I dont pay you anymore money |
| 09:32.06 | Guerin | Tchiak: get a real webhost |
| 09:32.19 | Tchiak | i like my webhost |
| 09:32.25 | liable | aep: so you got the password wrong? |
| 09:32.33 | Tchiak | they respond quickly to any tech support problems with the site |
| 09:32.34 | Guerin | Tchiak: so don't whine |
| 09:32.39 | Tchiak | :( |
| 09:32.42 | aep | liable nope its before i can give him a pass |
| 09:32.48 | nvz | thats how I do business. I told the finanicial guy that if he didnt quit calling me for money, I would come out there and bead his head off the side of his office building until he seen things my way. |
| 09:32.48 | Guerin | Tchiak: your webhost has technical problems?? |
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| 09:33.01 | Tchiak | no |
| 09:33.07 | Tchiak | my stupidness has problems |
| 09:33.12 | Guerin | Tchiak: clearly. |
| 09:33.13 | Tchiak | and it generally translates over to the website |
| 09:33.14 | nvz | I borrow some of my business tatics from some famous mob leaders |
| 09:33.15 | Guerin | actually |
| 09:33.16 | Tchiak | and does bad things |
| 09:33.25 | Guerin | it would appear that your stupidness is in firm control |
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| 09:33.54 | nvz | needless to say, I dont get calls from that guy anymore |
| 09:33.58 | Tchiak | that's only cause morons and crazy people made the smart and sensible part of my brain retreat into an ever falling pit of hell long ago |
| 09:34.03 | nvz | I didnt even have to drive to philly |
| 09:34.37 | liable | aep: you using keys? |
| 09:35.00 | nvz | Tchiak: only a crazy moron would do that. |
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| 09:35.06 | aep | liable, what do you mean? i use my keyboard to give in pass :-) |
| 09:35.11 | Tchiak | i didn't have much say in it |
| 09:35.20 | Tchiak | i woke up one morning and there was just a note on the table |
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| 09:35.24 | Tchiak | :| |
| 09:35.30 | nosklo | liable, network is not avaliable :( |
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| 09:35.45 | liable | aep: dunno then |
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| 09:36.02 | delox99 | is it possible to just compile and add a module to the kernel or i need to recompile the whole thing? |
| 09:36.09 | aep | hm |
| 09:36.15 | liable | nosklo: meaning the driver is loaded and theres no dhcp server or what? |
| 09:36.41 | lnxCore | i have a small network, and i want to block a couple of users from using internet. is it possible to achive this kind of restriction? |
| 09:36.44 | valdyn_ | delox99: you mean a module from the kernel tree? |
| 09:36.46 | nosklo | liable, meaning that tuxmobil experiences says it does not work on vanilla installation kernels |
| 09:36.59 | liable | nosklo: thats a bastard |
| 09:37.04 | delox99 | kernel tree? |
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| 09:37.36 | nosklo | liable, luckly i got a pcmcia network card |
| 09:37.42 | peach | hi.... |
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| 09:37.44 | valdyn_ | delox99: from the kernel's source tree |
| 09:37.46 | liable | nosklo: oh, sweet :) |
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| 09:38.39 | Tchiak | o_O |
| 09:38.48 | Tchiak | that's just fucking freaky nvz |
| 09:38.54 | Guerin | well |
| 09:38.59 | Tchiak | that song was playing when i looked over and saw that |
| 09:39.00 | Guerin | nvz is drunk again |
| 09:39.03 | Guerin | that much is for sure |
| 09:39.04 | nvz | oh well |
| 09:39.10 | nvz | I am not that drunk |
| 09:39.17 | nvz | I am trying too. |
| 09:39.17 | berzerka | is there a general x client option to start maximized? |
| 09:39.36 | berzerka | or do i have to use -geometry? |
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| 09:39.46 | liable | vnc? |
| 09:40.02 | berzerka | no, local. |
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| 09:40.14 | valdyn_ | lnxCore: yea its possible |
| 09:40.26 | liable | then i have no idea what your talking about. |
| 09:40.29 | delox99 | i need to add usb ohci and uhci support to my kernel |
| 09:40.39 | nvz | hey at least she said sorry, and left a note is the way I see it :P |
| 09:40.41 | Guerin | delox99: just use a damn debian kernel image |
| 09:40.50 | nvz | thats why I dont give in to life like Tchiak |
| 09:40.57 | brosioz | why asm is not include on kernel-headers of 2.6.14-2 ? i need it to compile modules of vmware anyone could help ? |
| 09:41.05 | Tchiak | i didn't give into it.. just gave up on it |
| 09:41.06 | valdyn_ | delox99: i'd rebuild the whole thing, if you cant use a precompiled kernel |
| 09:41.12 | lnxCore | valdyn_: is there a link or hint on how to do so? i mean is there a scriptable routing software? |
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| 09:41.27 | lnxCore | or somthing similar ? |
| 09:41.46 | berzerka | i want to start a x11 program (xdvi) maximized, as if i clicked on the maximize/fullscreen button of my wm. like xdvi -fullscreen.. |
| 09:41.48 | delox99 | yeah i could try to use a deb image |
| 09:41.51 | Guerin | iptables is a scriptable routing program |
| 09:42.00 | valdyn_ | lnxCore: netfilter can route by process or by user or by whatever |
| 09:42.30 | Tchiak | IRISH MUSIC! |
| 09:42.32 | valdyn_ | lnxCore: i havent done it, http://www.lartc.org/ has extensive docs, as does http://www.netfilter.org/ i guess |
| 09:42.46 | nekostar | fucking yay |
| 09:42.48 | nvz | na, double shot of George Thorogood for now |
| 09:43.01 | nvz | classic drinking rock |
| 09:43.02 | valdyn_ | lnxCore: however you cant do that on a remote router for local users |
| 09:43.03 | naphex | berzerka: if you want it as a default for some particular app, then devilspie package does that (maybe it depends on metacity) |
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| 09:43.37 | lnxCore | i'm going to use samba? so i need to figure how to retrive the users from samb,. compare it against a blacklist and route those blocked guys (based on username) by routing them to a fake path! |
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| 09:43.52 | nvz | Hooker with a penis! |
| 09:44.13 | nvz | or H, Sober, 46 and 2 |
| 09:44.15 | nekostar | hey |
| 09:44.16 | berzerka | naphex: it would suffice if i could explicitly give a parameter on the console every time. (i want to set emacs' tex-dvi-view-command) |
| 09:44.29 | nekostar | the debian-installer etch beta1 is for installing etch right? |
| 09:44.33 | nvz | I still havent come up with a decent interpretation for 46 and 2 |
| 09:44.35 | naphex | berzerka: then I don't know. sorry |
| 09:44.43 | nekostar | oo |
| 09:44.44 | berzerka | thanks anyway. |
| 09:44.44 | nvz | I stopped thinking about it a few years ago |
| 09:44.49 | nekostar | george thorogood |
| 09:44.52 | nekostar | i need some of that |
| 09:45.04 | nosklo | goodbye ntfs! |
| 09:45.06 | nekostar | ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; |
| 09:45.12 | nekostar | er oops sorry bout that |
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| 09:46.36 | valdyn_ | lnxCore: a router on a remote box cant know which user a packet is coming from.. |
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| 09:46.50 | nvz | you know when your mouth is getting dry, you plenty high.. or you know when you are listening to george thorogood you are pretty drunk |
| 09:46.54 | Tchiak | how are you CatStar? |
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| 09:47.37 | nvz | I need to sit down and learn to play this song one day.. it will be a fun song to play when I am fuckin wasted |
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| 09:48.10 | berzerka | naphex: i will use xdvi -geometry 1024x768+0+0. works fine. |
| 09:48.21 | naphex | berzerka: good. |
| 09:48.33 | nvz | he pretty much only plays muted strings when hes saying the lyrics.. so its easy |
| 09:48.43 | lnxCore | the setup i have is : 1 server (running samba) with two interfaces, one interface connected to a switch (local network) and the other is connected to internet. so internet requests should go through this server, and if the ip belongs to a not auth. user. i want to drop the packets! |
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| 09:49.30 | valdyn_ | lnxCore: so each of the clients is a single user system and you just route by ip.. |
| 09:49.37 | nosklo | liable, hmmm, there is this "hidden" 3gb fat partition at the end of the disk, i guess it is one of those "rescue" partitions... |
| 09:49.52 | liable | nosklo: yeap, would say so. |
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| 09:50.13 | nekostar | arg |
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| 09:50.46 | nekostar | nvz, is the installer that says somethign about etch the etch release of debian or just the testing installer itself >_< |
| 09:50.47 | lnxCore | ip which belongs to an auth. user! |
| 09:51.08 | Andy837 | debian keeps freezing as far as i can see. wont allow SSH connections or VNC connections to it - i end up restarting it (i do not have local access) |
| 09:51.17 | liable | lnxCore: and you want to do it with iptables? or try shorewall. |
| 09:51.23 | nvz | nekostar: you gave me two wrong choices. |
| 09:51.38 | nekostar | let me try to be more specific |
| 09:51.46 | nvz | nekostar: the one that says etch is the testing installer, but whatever you put in the sources.list is what it installs |
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| 09:51.55 | nekostar | http://www.uk.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <<-- on that linke |
| 09:52.13 | nekostar | [11 Nov 2005] Debian-Installer etch beta 1 <<--- is that debian etch ? |
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| 09:52.18 | nvz | nekostar: I can install anything from my sarge cd.. I just put it in the sources list before I base-install |
| 09:52.18 | nekostar | oic |
| 09:52.27 | nekostar | just change sarge to etch? |
| 09:52.46 | nvz | nekostar: you already have a sarge cd and want to install etch? |
| 09:52.50 | lnxCore | i did not do it yet. i have the brain dead win2k3 as a PDC which administer me rather should i. i wanted to be the admin not pc! |
| 09:52.57 | nekostar | i have sarge in and want to just upgrade if i can |
| 09:53.06 | nekostar | im willing to break linux to try it ~_^ |
| 09:53.15 | nekostar | but im sure it would be fairly smoothish |
| 09:53.15 | Andy837 | debian keeps freezing as far as i can see. wont allow SSH connections or VNC connections to it - i end up restarting it (i do not have local access) |
| 09:53.19 | nvz | nekostar: if you already have sarge installed then just upgrade |
| 09:53.24 | nekostar | yeah ok |
| 09:53.31 | nvz | dpkg, tell nekostar about sarge->etch |
| 09:53.39 | nekostar | how can i check if my current sources have the etch |
| 09:53.44 | nekostar | er /me reads |
| 09:53.48 | valdyn_ | nekostar: upgrading is safer than using a non-funcional installer |
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| 09:54.09 | nvz | nekostar: install apt-listbugs first before doing anything |
| 09:54.24 | nvz | nekostar: that way it will fetch bug reports on all the packages you are upgrading |
| 09:54.29 | nekostar | o sweet |
| 09:54.32 | nvz | nekostar: let you know what to expect |
| 09:54.36 | nekostar | yeah yeah |
| 09:54.55 | nekostar | much appreciated... didnt even know that that was a package lol |
| 09:54.57 | nvz | nekostar: and give you the chance to back out and read more details on teh bugs or hold some packages |
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| 09:56.00 | nvz | nekostar: when its installed it querys the BTS for each package installed before installing it, and shows you the subject and bug number for any bugs (of a configurable severity) so you can look them up and choose how to proceed |
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| 09:56.46 | nvz | nekostar: if they sound like serious bugs, you look them up to make sure they apply to your arch, and the version of the package you are installing and not just some idiot mixing ubuntu sources on a VAX or something |
| 09:57.09 | nvz | nekostar: then you can choose not to install or to hold it at its current version and avoid disasters |
| 09:57.24 | nvz | nekostar: there is also apt-listchanges which does the same for changelogs of packages |
| 09:57.42 | nekostar | ah |
| 09:57.46 | nekostar | thats friggan nifty |
| 09:57.58 | nekostar | apt-fillintheblank is super nice :D |
| 09:58.06 | nekostar | just imagine microsoft |
| 09:58.23 | nekostar | yeah this security update may make your system insecure |
| 09:58.23 | nekostar | :P |
| 09:58.49 | Andy837 | debian keeps freezing as far as i can see. wont allow SSH connections or VNC connections to it - i end up restarting it (i do not have local access) |
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| 09:59.14 | nvz | nekostar: yeah and like anything else, prevention education is better for everyone involved. |
| 10:00.27 | nvz | nekostar: doesnt do anygood to tell your astranged ex teenage girlfriend about safe sex after you had two kids with her and one came out a chinese with red hair, when you are mexican with black hair. |
| 10:00.38 | nekostar | lol |
| 10:00.44 | nekostar | pretty dam much |
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| 10:02.02 | liable | Andy837: you cant access it at all? |
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| 10:03.39 | Tchiak | i just sent them a support ticket back telling them that i wanted direct access to mysql via ssh rather than through cpanels myphpadmin interface |
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| 10:04.06 | srbaker | yo |
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| 10:04.14 | Andy837 | liable - only to call a guy and say restart it! |
| 10:04.16 | srbaker | how do i search for all software tagged suite::gnustep? |
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| 10:04.45 | liable | Andy837: then you need to get him to fix it. |
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| 10:05.59 | Andy837 | he only has the hardware - i need to know the problem! |
| 10:06.06 | Guerin | Andy837: get him to ship it to you |
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| 10:06.35 | Guerin | Andy837: or hire someone to figure it out on-site |
| 10:06.36 | nvz | dpkg, tell srbaker about debtags |
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| 10:06.57 | liable | Andy837: if you cant get into it, how can you fix it? |
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| 10:07.29 | Andy837 | i can get into it now - but every once in a while it freezes |
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| 10:08.08 | nvz | SimonRaven: early morning re-routing? |
| 10:08.19 | Guerin | Andy837: your hardwAre or theirs? |
| 10:08.29 | SimonRaven | machine crashed :| |
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| 10:08.46 | nvz | er autovoice |
| 10:08.56 | SimonRaven | auto-voice |
| 10:09.13 | nvz | yeah thats titties |
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| 10:09.29 | nvz | I got to wait for UdontKnow to come around :P |
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| 10:10.45 | SimonRaven | "System bootup in progress - please wait" grrr |
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| 10:10.54 | nvz | heh |
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| 10:11.08 | nvz | SimonRaven: you can turn that off you know |
| 10:11.16 | nvz | SimonRaven: I think thats done in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 10:11.23 | nvz | SimonRaven: who knows the consequences |
| 10:11.27 | SimonRaven | yes, but i won't. i like it that way |
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| 10:11.39 | SimonRaven | there we go |
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| 10:12.02 | nekostar | hi SimonRaven and hello Guerin :) |
| 10:12.15 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 10:12.20 | nvz | speaking of greeting random people.. |
| 10:12.25 | dipoll | Hi all |
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| 10:12.35 | nvz | I was starting to tab nekostar's nick earlier and helix came up for some reason |
| 10:12.58 | nekostar | o.o |
| 10:13.00 | nvz | and /msg struner is one of my 3 auto completions pressing tab |
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| 10:13.05 | Andy837 | guerin: my hardware - their net connection |
| 10:13.08 | nvz | I dont know where my client gets this shit |
| 10:13.15 | nekostar | friggan wierd lol |
| 10:13.20 | nvz | I dont really talk to streuner or helix |
| 10:13.29 | nekostar | huh |
| 10:13.31 | nekostar | irssi>? |
| 10:13.32 | helix | then stop hilighting me |
| 10:13.37 | nekostar | ok helix |
| 10:13.39 | nvz | helix: |
| 10:13.39 | nekostar | >_> |
| 10:14.11 | nvz | I am using the double helix theme for gtk applications |
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| 10:14.19 | nvz | :P |
| 10:14.26 | helix | yes, that's so clever |
| 10:14.27 | srbaker | what's the gnustep mail app called/ is it just called Mail.app? |
| 10:14.30 | Tchiak | i'm using the gas scheme |
| 10:14.32 | nvz | no, really I am |
| 10:14.34 | srbaker | oh , whoops |
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| 10:14.38 | Tchiak | God Aweful Scheme |
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| 10:15.00 | nvz | not because I like it mind you, just because it was the first one alphabetically I could tolerate |
| 10:15.04 | nvz | laziness |
| 10:15.07 | nekostar | lmfao |
| 10:15.18 | nekostar | laziness is good |
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| 10:15.26 | nvz | laziness is a virtue |
| 10:15.36 | nekostar | as long as it motivates ya to do what is neccisary fast and get on with the relaxing |
| 10:15.37 | nekostar | :P |
| 10:15.37 | nvz | helix: got sleep? |
| 10:15.38 | nekostar | ok |
| 10:15.44 | nekostar | bb in about 15 |
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| 10:15.47 | nekostar | got to finish bleach |
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| 10:16.04 | SimonRaven | perl's version of laziness ;) |
| 10:16.23 | liable | grr, now i actually need to get my cheapass ups to turn my computer off.. |
| 10:16.36 | [Bart] | hi |
| 10:16.37 | PoPnow | I have a system where the root user is called admin is there anyway to create a user like root to have same rights as the admin user.. or another user to get root rights? |
| 10:16.45 | SimonRaven | helix: hi. doing ok lately? |
| 10:16.45 | nvz | too many of us east-coast people here for 5:15am |
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| 10:17.13 | SimonRaven | PoPnow: just install and set up sudo |
| 10:17.24 | valdyn_ | PoPnow: you can create as many users with UID 0 as you want |
| 10:17.40 | PoPnow | where do I cahnge the uid? |
| 10:17.50 | nvz | PoPnow: man usermod |
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| 10:19.30 | ViViD | what application would i use to view my pci/agp busids |
| 10:19.36 | hoopotus | Hi. I downloaded Opera and got .deb -file. How do I install it? |
| 10:19.36 | ViViD | pciutils? |
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| 10:19.50 | valdyn_ | ViViD: lspci |
| 10:19.50 | [Bart] | ViViD : lspci ? |
| 10:19.53 | Guerin | hoopotus: follow the instructions on opera.com |
| 10:19.56 | nvz | damn, too late |
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| 10:20.05 | hoopotus | Guerin, alright, let's see... :) |
| 10:20.05 | ViViD | whats the lspci package name? |
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| 10:20.15 | Diggity | hoopotus: should be dpkg -i <packagename.deb> |
| 10:20.18 | valdyn_ | !tell ViViD -about search |
| 10:20.19 | nvz | I dont care that much for peaches anyhow |
| 10:20.20 | Guerin | ViViD: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:20.26 | hoopotus | Diggity, ok thanks |
| 10:20.29 | Diggity | hoopotus (without the backets) |
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| 10:20.55 | [Bart] | ViViD : pciutils |
| 10:21.12 | brosioz | why asm is not include on kernel-headers of 2.6.14-2 ? i need it to compile modules of vmware anyone could help ? |
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| 10:22.08 | Guerin | brosioz: try using a whole kernel source? |
| 10:22.47 | nvz | try using floss. |
| 10:22.58 | nvz | prevents cavities |
| 10:23.01 | brosioz | recompile all ??? |
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| 10:24.13 | Guerin | brosioz: no, install the linux-source package for the kernel you want |
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| 10:24.59 | nvz | you ever see a nick and sense a high-probability of trolling? |
| 10:25.13 | ViViD | if "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV 36 [GeForce 5700] (rev a1)" is my video card what would is BusID be? |
| 10:25.17 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 10:25.24 | SimonRaven | many times |
| 10:25.25 | Tchiak | horay! |
| 10:25.32 | SimonRaven | i think i see one now |
| 10:25.37 | nvz | heh |
| 10:25.52 | Guerin | yea. |
| 10:25.54 | nvz | SimonRaven: yeah but you already knew I was trolling |
| 10:26.01 | Guerin | starts with T and ends with chiak |
| 10:26.04 | nvz | heh |
| 10:26.20 | Tchiak | trolling? |
| 10:26.26 | SimonRaven | no, not you, not that one. starts with B and end with st |
| 10:26.34 | nvz | heh |
| 10:26.39 | Tchiak | i do not troll thank you very much |
| 10:26.39 | nvz | thats what I was talking about :P |
| 10:26.41 | brosioz | Guerin, and then ? |
| 10:26.45 | Tchiak | I instigate random hate |
| 10:26.47 | brosioz | only copy the directory ? |
| 10:26.49 | valdyn_ | ViViD: you can leave that entry empty unless you have 2 nvidia cards |
| 10:26.52 | Tchiak | it's important to the world at large that i do this |
| 10:26.54 | nvz | Tchiak: thats trolling |
| 10:26.57 | SimonRaven | although, s/he doesn't say what bush is best at ;) |
| 10:27.14 | ViViD | i need to know its busid because i will be using TwinView and have a secondary card |
| 10:27.20 | nvz | Tchiak: trolling is baiting a response to no productive gain on any party. |
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| 10:27.24 | paulswm | Maybe s/he means like a mulberyy bush or something |
| 10:27.29 | paulswm | mulberry* |
| 10:27.31 | Guerin | brosioz: and then do whatever you need to do |
| 10:27.34 | SimonRaven | best at being a dangerous idiot, surely |
| 10:27.41 | Guerin | brosioz: i neither know nor care about vmware |
| 10:27.42 | BushIsDaBest | Is it possible to install Cpanel on Debian????? |
| 10:27.53 | nvz | or a bush as in pun-tang |
| 10:27.56 | SimonRaven | cpanel isn't debian |
| 10:28.01 | Tchiak | if i make someone mad |
| 10:28.06 | Guerin | BushIsDaBest: ask the cpanel developers |
| 10:28.08 | valdyn_ | BushIsDaBest: ask the vendor |
| 10:28.10 | Tchiak | their flight or fight response is activated |
| 10:28.10 | SimonRaven | it takes over the machine |
| 10:28.15 | BushIsDaBest | yeah, i know it doesnt support debian, but does anyone try to install it yet? |
| 10:28.17 | nvz | SimonRaven: sure it is, just not that cpanel |
| 10:28.22 | nvz | !info cpanel |
| 10:28.26 | Tchiak | resulting in an increase of endorphines as well as other wonderful drugs |
| 10:28.30 | dpkg | cpanel: (A configuration tool for Chinese desktop environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 383 kB |
| 10:28.30 | ViViD | would it be AGP:1:0:0? |
| 10:28.32 | nvz | BushIsDaBest: there is webmin and usermin |
| 10:28.34 | Tchiak | i would say that's productive |
| 10:28.58 | BushIsDaBest | nah, i dont like webmin&usermin |
| 10:29.13 | nvz | BushIsDaBest: I don't like Bush. |
| 10:29.16 | SimonRaven | BushIsDaBest: be better off asking that on their own channels, mailing lists, etc. |
| 10:29.17 | [Bart] | BushIsDaBest : who likes that? :) |
| 10:29.21 | BushIsDaBest | yah, who care..i dont like you either :P |
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| 10:29.32 | SimonRaven | pogue matone |
| 10:29.35 | nvz | who cares. Opinions are like assholes.. everyone has one, nobody wants to hear em |
| 10:29.47 | SimonRaven | nah, farts are funny |
| 10:30.13 | SimonRaven | that's why they have a noise, so everyone can enjoy them, not just the farter |
| 10:30.23 | valdyn_ | ViViD: probably 1:0:0, if its AGP or not is irrelevant |
| 10:30.26 | BushIsDaBest | just image how many ppl BUsh have killed...he just save earth from overpopulation |
| 10:30.36 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 10:30.40 | BushIsDaBest | ^^V |
| 10:30.44 | SimonRaven | i don't have any such stickers |
| 10:30.54 | SimonRaven | BushIsDaBest: fuck you asshole |
| 10:31.04 | SimonRaven | @ops BushIsDaBest is a troll, at best |
| 10:31.06 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: BushIsDaBest is a troll, at best |
| 10:31.19 | BushIsDaBest | lolz |
| 10:31.24 | nvz | heh, sure you dont.. we all know you buy linux pcs to avoid lisc costs then put those stickers on and pirate windows. |
| 10:31.29 | SimonRaven | trash nazi trash |
| 10:31.44 | helix | SimonRaven: was cursing at him really necessary? |
| 10:32.00 | SimonRaven | in this case yes. usually no |
| 10:32.05 | helix | I disagree |
| 10:32.24 | nvz | helix: you are just less sensitive to nazi's |
| 10:32.28 | helix | BushIsDaBest: and please avoid bringing up politics in here. thanks. |
| 10:32.33 | helix | nvz: that is not how one pluralizes |
| 10:32.36 | Richie086 | hey nazis have feelings too :) |
| 10:32.42 | SimonRaven | i think my swearin was much milder than his racist comment. why not go after him then? |
| 10:32.48 | nvz | helix: sorry. I realize that now. |
| 10:32.52 | BushIsDaBest | ?? i didnt bring any politics in here..i just said that Bush saved earth from overpopulation by killing ppl |
| 10:32.59 | nvz | the ' slipped out |
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| 10:33.00 | BushIsDaBest | and ppl accusing me for being nazi |
| 10:33.02 | BushIsDaBest | :D |
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| 10:33.13 | nvz | BushIsDaBest: no, bush is a nazi, you are just talking about him |
| 10:33.16 | hoopotus | I installed Opera with dpkg but where did it go? Sorry but I didn't found any install instructions on opera.com |
| 10:33.20 | Tchiak | bush is nothing |
| 10:33.23 | helix | (and enough from the rest of you) |
| 10:33.24 | SimonRaven | thank you |
| 10:33.27 | Tchiak | hitler really did alot for overpopulation |
| 10:33.28 | Guerin | hoopotus: not our problem |
| 10:33.35 | Eulex | hoopotus, dpkg -L packagename |
| 10:33.35 | Richie086 | lol |
| 10:33.38 | Guerin | Tchiak: you are amazingly stupid |
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| 10:33.53 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 10:33.57 | Guerin | Tchiak: someone just got banned for that, and yet you continue? |
| 10:33.57 | Tchiak | no i'm amazingly stupid on the internet |
| 10:33.59 | SimonRaven | @tell r0n4ld_ -about root |
| 10:34.05 | Tchiak | O_o |
| 10:34.09 | helix | Tchiak: well stop or.. you know :) |
| 10:34.11 | Richie086 | well, he did actually.. just not in a good way.. now lets end it |
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| 10:34.16 | Tchiak | ohhh i didn't see that |
| 10:34.25 | hoopotus | Eulex, thank you |
| 10:34.35 | Guerin | drunken ircing is unwise |
| 10:34.35 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 10:34.38 | Guerin | except in certain cases |
| 10:34.49 | paulswm | Guerin: voice of experience? :P |
| 10:34.50 | nvz | yeah I warned him hours ago to appear vaguely on-topic |
| 10:34.54 | SimonRaven | go study some history before you go prattle off like a /. luser... |
| 10:35.10 | nvz | I've been at least talking about debian while being drunk |
| 10:35.15 | Guerin | paulswm: me? drunk? NEVER! |
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| 10:35.22 | Tchiak | and i tried to go on topic but guerin wanted to bring my intelligence into the room as a discussionary object |
| 10:35.41 | paulswm | Not a heavy load for Guerin evidently :P |
| 10:36.04 | nvz | Tchiak: you need to learn to be more resistant to the ignorance, and stupidity in your environment. |
| 10:36.26 | nvz | Tchiak: go read http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity to pass some time :P |
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| 10:37.30 | paulswm | ext3 question: anyone know if ext3 supports multiple filesystems using the same external journal device? Googling gives me abiguity. |
| 10:37.41 | Guerin | paulswm: oo, funky. |
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| 10:38.19 | nvz | paulswm: where does that leave you when that device fails? |
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| 10:38.39 | ronal__d | hi |
| 10:38.43 | JohnnyST | hi |
| 10:38.51 | ronal__d | i upgraded udev today in unstable |
| 10:38.51 | nvz | how does this effect the overall effectiveness of the journal? |
| 10:39.03 | nvz | ronal__d: we heard these udev tales before :P |
| 10:39.04 | paulswm | nvz: the same place as it would if *one* filesystem was using it. Or if I was using an internal journal and that device failed |
| 10:39.10 | Eulex | ronal__d, oh, let me guess... udev breakage again? |
| 10:39.14 | nvz | ronal__d: we all know MD is an idiot |
| 10:39.15 | ronal__d | Preparing to replace udev 0.074-3 (using .../archives/udev_0.076-1_i386.deb) ...mv: target `/dev/.udev/db/' is not a directory: No such file or directory |
| 10:39.16 | ronal__d | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.076-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 10:39.17 | JohnnyST | how do I enable php4 in apche2? apt-get install php4 dose not work. |
| 10:39.19 | ronal__d | yep |
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| 10:39.32 | paulswm | nvz: It should be better than multipe journal devices, as it would reduce seeks |
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| 10:40.36 | nvz | paulswm: well you could have independant disks on independant controllers both trying to journal and instead of saving time reducing seeks you got a drive controller sitting there with a nickel holding a dollar up waiting on anothers operation |
| 10:40.47 | Guerin | JohnnyST: libapache2-php4 |
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| 10:41.54 | SimonRaven | ronal__d: it's fixed in incoming (incoming.debian.org) |
| 10:42.00 | paulswm | nvz: Actually I was thinking of using a striped journal device, I have actually thought about this a bit :P |
| 10:42.16 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 10:42.22 | ronal__d | SimonRaven: how can i fix it? just wait 1 day? |
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| 10:42.50 | nvz | paulswm: I don't think stripes improve performance, they just put em on the race cars for looks :P |
| 10:42.54 | nvz | heh |
| 10:43.01 | SimonRaven | you could always go fetch it... |
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| 10:43.39 | [Bart] | nvz :) |
| 10:43.44 | nvz | :) |
| 10:44.06 | RichiH | md broke udev? |
| 10:44.15 | tarzeau | i wonder how people can use testing. |
| 10:44.17 | nvz | RichiH: doesnt he always? |
| 10:44.28 | valdyn_ | just upgrading it is broken.. |
| 10:44.37 | hoopotus | How to mount a usb memory? Without a hard disk I've done it mount /hda1 ... but now that's the hard disk. Any other mount /hd** says that "you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 10:44.43 | RichiH | nvz: i don't upgrade near as often as i used to |
| 10:44.45 | valdyn_ | ronal__d: mkdir /dev/.udev |
| 10:44.57 | nvz | RichiH: I dont install it in the first place :P |
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| 10:45.46 | Eulex | hoopotus, usb memories get attached to /dev/sd** |
| 10:46.12 | Eulex | hoopotus, and you must specify the file system type (most probably vfat) |
| 10:46.17 | nvz | hoopotus: because the usb-storage driver uses the SCSI Disk driver sd_mod |
| 10:46.30 | nvz | hoopotus: not the ide-disk driver |
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| 10:46.42 | RichiH | Eulex: in most cases, you do not need to tell it it's vfat, these days |
| 10:47.02 | hoopotus | Eulex, yes, it seems to be sda1 |
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| 10:47.11 | nvz | RichiH: kernel module auto-loader++ |
| 10:47.17 | ronal__d | valdyn_: thanks |
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| 10:47.34 | Eulex | RichiH, heh, ok |
| 10:47.37 | RichiH | nvz: :) |
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| 10:47.53 | RichiH | nvz: personally speaking, that is one of the greatest things of 2.6 |
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| 10:48.04 | JohnnyST | Well I have apach2 and php4 installed but now it tries to download .php files instead of run them how do I fix this? |
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| 10:48.29 | nvz | RichiH: I don't know how it works, because I never looked at that part of the code.. but its titties. |
| 10:48.40 | [Bart] | JohnnyST : check if apache recognises the .php as php extensions |
| 10:49.02 | nvz | RichiH: somehow I guess it knows to check structures of modules for any unresolved symbols |
| 10:49.37 | [Bart] | JohnnyST : so check if the following line is in the httpd.conf : AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 |
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| 10:50.02 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 10:50.07 | SimonRaven | i'm leaving this fricking channel. where you get told not to swear, when there's some idjit that said something really offensive, and you get more heat from the swearing than the person saying the racist comment. fuck this. |
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| 10:50.32 | reddi | hi, short question: i am running phpmyadmin on debian which is working perfectly! but if i create an php file (which works on other machines, i am @ a course) i get |
| 10:50.32 | reddi | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/apache2-default/phpkurs/mysql-connect.php on line 17 |
| 10:50.33 | nvz | heh |
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| 10:51.01 | Tchiak | is your mysql started? |
| 10:51.07 | reddi | phpmyadmin runs |
| 10:51.09 | RichiH | nvz: well, as soon as it knows what leaf modules it needs, it is trivial to span the graph/tree from there too the loaded ones |
| 10:51.13 | reddi | and i can login, see my db etc. |
| 10:51.16 | tiCo89 | reddi: wrong mysql server? wrong user or pas? |
| 10:51.22 | tiCo89 | show the whole error message |
| 10:51.31 | Tchiak | is your computer plugged in.. that is a common mistake |
| 10:51.37 | JohnnyST | [Bart]: yes it is but it still dose not work.. |
| 10:51.42 | [Bart] | reddi : I guess you installed the php-mysql |
| 10:52.01 | paulswm | nvz: Was away, he to the stripes, I think I'll just put some NASCAR stickers on the box, that should do the trick :) Actually, it's academic now becuase I decided against it, but unanswered questions sometimes bug me :) |
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| 10:52.28 | JohnnyST | [Bart]: it is an error in my site it was not that problem I think.. |
| 10:52.30 | [Bart] | JohnnyST : what is error.log saying, nothing? did you reload apache? |
| 10:52.32 | nvz | RichiH: yeah but when I call up a function not currently implemented by any loaded code, I dont know how it goes about figuring out if thats available in some dynamic code not yet loaded.. |
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| 10:53.04 | nandasunu | hi |
| 10:53.07 | reddi | yes, phpmyadmin is working hm.... i try it with pw |
| 10:53.08 | reddi | mom |
| 10:53.16 | nandasunu | can someone help me with a shell script I am trying to write? |
| 10:53.22 | Guerin | nandasunu: #bash |
| 10:53.24 | RichiH | nvz: i would assume hash table or some such |
| 10:53.27 | Guerin | nandasunu: read the faq in the topic |
| 10:53.35 | nandasunu | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:54.11 | nvz | RichiH: I dunno. I got 2.6.14 souce untarred in my homedir, I could always look :P |
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| 10:54.52 | reddi | i have setted no password for user root |
| 10:54.55 | RichiH | nvz: i must admit that i am too lazy to do that |
| 10:54.55 | reddi | in myql |
| 10:54.58 | reddi | $link = mysql_connect('localhost', 'root', ''); |
| 10:55.07 | RichiH | nvz: i have work at other fronts ;) |
| 10:55.08 | fly_80 | hi all, i have a little problem : i start my system and gdm . Then if i try to enter as user it fails and returns gdm..on the contrary Root can log . |
| 10:55.20 | fly_80 | Notice that i can log in text mode and startx fails |
| 10:55.24 | reddi | if i use phpmyadmin i enter root and leave the field with the password empty -> works |
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| 10:55.40 | RichiH | fly_80: create a new user and try with that |
| 10:55.51 | fly_80 | it says : " xauth : timeout in locking authority file /home/fly/.Xauthority |
| 10:55.57 | Guerin | reddi: what's your ip again? |
| 10:55.58 | nvz | RichiH: I dont, I am on paid holiday |
| 10:56.08 | reddi | localhost |
| 10:56.18 | Guerin | reddi: connection refused :( |
| 10:56.20 | RichiH | fly_80: ah, that. rm -f .Xauthority before you log in |
| 10:56.31 | RichiH | nvz: nice! |
| 10:56.35 | reddi | hm i am @ the university, i think that u can see my ip ;-) |
| 10:56.48 | reddi | do u need it for testing? |
| 10:56.49 | fly_80 | RichiH, why this ? |
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| 10:57.04 | RichiH | fly_80: cause it obviously has prblems with your magic cookie |
| 10:57.43 | Guerin | reddi: yes. Testing. Sure thing, pal, I'll 'test' your shit for you alright. |
| 10:57.52 | nvz | RichiH: grepping around for it right now.. I didnt see anything in drivers.c |
| 10:58.15 | RichiH | reddi: at least the standard locations of phpmyadmin are not reachable from th outside :) |
| 10:58.26 | nvz | grep doesnt seem to respont to SIGINT |
| 10:58.39 | nvz | you have to send it a SIGKILL if you want to stop it |
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| 10:59.01 | berzerka | is amsmath containted in the tetex distibution? |
| 10:59.02 | RichiH | nvz: only if it is really busy with i/o |
| 10:59.19 | tarzeau | i can't believev it HOW MUCH FIREFOX sucks. input field you type / and the crap of a browser wants to search |
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| 10:59.34 | RichiH | fly_80: if you do not trust me (always a good idea on irc), just move the file to another dir |
| 10:59.53 | fly_80 | i tried to remove |
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| 10:59.57 | fly_80 | that file |
| 10:59.58 | nvz | RichiH: like grepping the entire 2.6.14 source tree recursivly? ;) |
| 11:00.02 | Eulex | tarzeau, Not Here(tm) |
| 11:00.03 | iixi | is there a mathematica equivalent program in the opensource world? |
| 11:00.03 | fly_80 | but it doesn't work |
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| 11:00.43 | RichiH | nvz: for example |
| 11:00.43 | berzerka | tarzeau: if i type / and press enter it gets file:/// and i land in the root dir, as desired. |
| 11:00.50 | Eulex | tarzeau, though might have something to do with me running 1.5rc3 |
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| 11:01.21 | RichiH | fly_80: ls -l /home/fly/.Xauthority |
| 11:01.25 | berzerka | iixi: gnu octave |
| 11:01.28 | RichiH | fly_80: what does that say? |
| 11:01.37 | rss | hi, someone trying to compile mysql on a computer running Woody has messed up libnss and all GNU Utils like ls, tar... are failing to execute... and the machine needs to be on and cannot be reinstalled. :( |
| 11:01.50 | iixi | berzerka: thx, I'll check it out |
| 11:02.04 | RichiH | fly_80: or just chmod 600 it |
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| 11:02.19 | rss | is there any way to install back libnss on it? |
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| 11:02.38 | RichiH | rss: uh.. |
| 11:02.48 | Guerin | rss: if you can mount / over NFS on another debian machine, you can install the correct libnss with dpkg's --root and similar switches |
| 11:02.51 | Esaj | does anyone know how to undo a RAID volume creation? |
| 11:02.52 | Eulex | rss, apt-get --reinstall install them |
| 11:03.00 | fly_80 | RichiH, now there is no more the file |
| 11:03.06 | Guerin | Eulex: how? ls and tar don't work. |
| 11:03.28 | RichiH | fly_80: after chmod? unlikely. anyway. once it is gone, you should be able to log into X |
| 11:03.33 | Eulex | Guerin, umh, that's true. |
| 11:03.34 | Guerin | rss: this is a very tricky spot you're in, and I'm bloody glad I'm not you. |
| 11:03.39 | Esaj | or does anyone know how to access a RAID-ified disk in Linux? |
| 11:04.01 | rss | Guerin: I have no idea, what else may have broken :( |
| 11:04.08 | Guerin | rss: why not? |
| 11:04.17 | RichiH | Esaj: do you mean you had data on a disk and then told a controller to put raid on it? |
| 11:04.36 | fly_80 | RichiH, no i remove that file first without chmod |
| 11:04.38 | Esaj | RichiH: yep |
| 11:04.47 | RichiH | fly_80: that's fine, too |
| 11:04.51 | Eulex | rss, you got another computer over there running debian? |
| 11:04.56 | RichiH | you only need is as long as you are logged in |
| 11:05.05 | berzerka | in which package is the amsmath tex module? aptitude install ams[la]tex --> .. is not a real package. |
| 11:05.13 | RichiH | you will just get a new magic cookie if you don't have one at login time |
| 11:05.27 | rss | Guerin: some idiot of a windows adminstrator has tried to install wordpress on it... and so has compiled according some manual... |
| 11:05.33 | RichiH | Esaj: i think you just learned a very valuable lesson |
| 11:05.54 | RichiH | Esaj: raid controllers format the drives in the background |
| 11:06.09 | rss | Eulex: they were two machines which were backed up together using heartbeat |
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| 11:06.17 | RichiH | Esaj: unless you have raid 0 (stripe), then you might get lucky |
| 11:06.21 | Esaj | RichiH: it didn't say that in the docs, it said that I just had to be careful which drive was the source disk |
| 11:06.29 | Eulex | rss, both are fscked? |
| 11:06.39 | rss | Eulex: the other one is now the mail and web server |
| 11:06.41 | RichiH | Esaj: ah, ok, then. |
| 11:06.51 | Guerin | rss: why does said idiot have root on this machine? |
| 11:06.56 | RichiH | Esaj: then you shoud be good :) |
| 11:07.01 | Esaj | RichiH: it won't boot though, so I'm slightly worried... |
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| 11:07.17 | RichiH | Esaj: (good card you bought, too ;) |
| 11:07.19 | Guerin | rss: restore from backups |
| 11:07.24 | rss | Guerin: bureaucratic problems... :( |
| 11:07.33 | RichiH | Esaj: where does it stop? |
| 11:07.42 | Esaj | RichiH: when I turn off the RAID controller, I can't see any partitions on the disk, presumably because of the RAID structures? |
| 11:07.46 | Eulex | rss, you could try doing as guerin said, or maybe you could just copy the affected binaries over from the well working server... |
| 11:08.04 | Guerin | rss: since the important data on the machines is still accessible, take a final backup now; notify all users the machine is going down for 12 hours starting immediately, and restore |
| 11:08.05 | Esaj | RichiH: it just says something like "system disk error" |
| 11:08.11 | RichiH | Esaj: what raid level are we talking about? |
| 11:08.18 | Esaj | RichiH: RAID1 |
| 11:08.30 | Guerin | rss: write a detailed report on the cause of the problem and submit it to your boss and the boss of the idiot who fucked it up |
| 11:08.42 | Guerin | and request in your report that said idiot's root privileges be revoked |
| 11:08.45 | Esaj | RichiH: it's possible that it copied from the wrong disk, and blanked the whole thing |
| 11:08.46 | RichiH | Esaj: raid1 _should_ be transparent to the computer, but it does not have to be |
| 11:08.49 | Guerin | that's how I'd proceed. |
| 11:08.56 | RichiH | Esaj: do you have a cd burner? |
| 11:09.03 | Esaj | RichiH: yes |
| 11:09.10 | RichiH | Esaj: get knoppix, boot that |
| 11:09.20 | nvz | RichiH: not very easy to track down. I figure there is an error handler kind of thing somewhere that when it gets an unresolved symbol or something it checks like some sort of struct for modules that provide it. |
| 11:09.34 | RichiH | nvz: ah |
| 11:09.35 | Esaj | RichiH: does knoppix know about RAID stuff? |
| 11:09.47 | nvz | RichiH: I am finding out I know a lot less about the way the kernel works than I thought. |
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| 11:09.52 | Esaj | RichiH: I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but no luck |
| 11:09.56 | RichiH | Esaj: what is your card manifacturer? |
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| 11:10.07 | nvz | RichiH: my bible the Understanding Linux Kernel book, is on 2.4, so.. |
| 11:10.07 | RichiH | Esaj: in most cases, knoppix should be able to load them |
| 11:10.21 | RichiH | nvz: heh |
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| 11:10.41 | Esaj | RichiH: it's an onboard SATA RAID chip, Intel I believe |
| 11:10.54 | RichiH | urgh, onboard raid |
| 11:10.55 | nvz | RichiH: time for a new one.. I was thinking about donating my books to the public library since it lacks good geek material.. but I didnt like what they told me when I asked them about it. |
| 11:11.08 | RichiH | Esaj: you should get that supported in knoppix, though |
| 11:11.20 | fly_80 | RichiH, now i rebooted and the file .Xauthority disappeared...shoul i create another user ? |
| 11:11.24 | RichiH | nvz: well, what did they tell you? |
| 11:11.33 | RichiH | fly_80: nah, try to log in |
| 11:11.40 | nvz | RichiH: they just told me if they didnt have it they would consider it for inclusion.. else sell it.. and I dont want them selling a book I paid $50+ for for $0.50 when I would give it to them so others could benefit, but I can still read it when I want |
| 11:11.54 | fly_80 | it doesn't work the X log in, RichiH |
| 11:11.54 | RichiH | heh, wow |
| 11:11.59 | nvz | RichiH: considering it isnt good enough for me.. if they dont want it I do.. heh |
| 11:12.10 | RichiH | fly_80: then your next step is to crete a new user and try with that one, yes |
| 11:12.20 | fly_80 | thx |
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| 11:12.37 | nvz | RichiH: if I knew they'd take it and keep it on their shelf I would give them lots of books |
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| 11:13.04 | Tchiak | god this game is fun ^_^ |
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| 11:13.25 | RichiH | fly_80: another file you can delete/move is .ICEauthority |
| 11:13.34 | RichiH | that has given me some trouble, too |
| 11:13.49 | RichiH | nvz: sure |
| 11:13.53 | RichiH | nvz: makes total sense |
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| 11:14.08 | Tchiak | CoD2 WAR IS HELL SON! |
| 11:14.18 | RichiH | Tchiak: ? |
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| 11:14.24 | Guerin | Tchiak: time to sober up |
| 11:14.35 | Tchiak | Call of Duty |
| 11:14.40 | Tchiak | I bought it earlier this morning |
| 11:15.01 | RichiH | Tchiak: i fear you are not instigating much interest ;) |
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| 11:15.26 | RichiH | as opposed to random hate.. ;) |
| 11:15.26 | nvz | RichiH: I am like that with anything.. I dont want to give something away to someone who will not value it at least as much as I do. |
| 11:15.35 | nvz | RichiH: books arent cheap |
| 11:15.37 | RichiH | 11:25:25 < Tchiak> i do not troll thank you very much |
| 11:15.38 | RichiH | 11:25:31 < Tchiak> I instigate random hate |
| 11:15.38 | RichiH | 11:25:38 < Tchiak> it's important to the world at large that i do this |
| 11:15.45 | nvz | RichiH: and I know they sell them for next to nothing when they sell em |
| 11:15.54 | RichiH | nvz: of course |
| 11:16.00 | RichiH | nvz: it makes total sense |
| 11:16.17 | RichiH | esp with cs books, which are ridicously expensive |
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| 11:17.11 | lnxnt | hi! where can I tell firefox where my java installation is located? |
| 11:17.17 | hoopotus | What graphical instant messenger program do you recommend for Linux (I need only MSN protocol) |
| 11:17.17 | nvz | yeah, they are expensive, not quite as expensive as text books but most are close.. I think that Understanding The Linux Kernel was about $60 |
| 11:17.46 | RichiH | nvz: nothing compared to taocp :) |
| 11:17.47 | liable | hoopotus: gaim i guess. |
| 11:17.49 | uruboro | hoopotus, gaim works for me |
| 11:17.53 | nvz | its a good book though, it makes it a lot easier to jump into the kernel. it includes a lot more comments and code too |
| 11:18.04 | RichiH | hoopotus: kopete is also an option |
| 11:18.15 | hoopotus | yep ok |
| 11:18.26 | Guerin | lnxnt: /msg dpkg install java |
| 11:18.37 | RichiH | ok, /me off again |
| 11:18.41 | nvz | its like having a sports announcer doing a play-by-play on the kernel in lamen terms |
| 11:18.47 | RichiH | nvz: have fun jumping up and down on the kernel :) |
| 11:19.01 | nvz | RichiH: :) |
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| 11:21.19 | lnxnt | no no - that was not what I was searching for... |
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| 11:25.26 | man_in_tosh | anyone know when openoffice.org2 is gonna make its way into testing? |
| 11:25.27 | codemaster_ | it's so quitte .. |
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| 11:25.59 | Guerin | !why is oowriter not in testing |
| 11:26.00 | dpkg | oowriter is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=oowriter |
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| 11:26.45 | man_in_tosh | :P |
| 11:26.48 | man_in_tosh | ty Guerin |
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| 11:27.14 | man_in_tosh | wtf |
| 11:27.15 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org2 |
| 11:28.03 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, was that necessary? |
| 11:28.16 | man_in_tosh | yes |
| 11:28.22 | man_in_tosh | Eulex, thanks |
| 11:28.34 | Guerin | man_in_tosh: the whole point of the issue being that openoffice.org2 is a metapackage |
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| 11:28.48 | Guerin | man_in_tosh: so that page won't tell you very much of use |
| 11:29.13 | PoPnow | anyone who knows whar version is latest of portal programs of mambo and joombla |
| 11:29.16 | man_in_tosh | Guerin, on the contrary. take a look at it |
| 11:29.20 | man_in_tosh | the oowriter one is useless |
| 11:29.27 | man_in_tosh | "oowriter is not a debian package" |
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| 11:29.38 | Guerin | bah, really |
| 11:29.44 | Guerin | ok, i'm the stupid one then |
| 11:29.48 | man_in_tosh | :) |
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| 11:30.10 | man_in_tosh | thanks for trying though |
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| 11:30.22 | joris | I'm looking for a way to capture all writes to a device (more specifically: sound being played) |
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| 11:30.53 | man_in_tosh | joris, your soundcard should have a loopback record option |
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| 11:31.27 | tts | What's the best PostgreSQL GUI in Debian for someone learning SQL and RDBMS ? |
| 11:31.29 | man_in_tosh | on this crappy ali soundcard it's called "Mix" |
| 11:31.48 | Eulex | hmm, this explains why my openoffice 2 packages haven't been upgraded to 2.0.0 and is still beta2 -- the openoffice.org2 package doesn't exist anymore and has been made a version of openoffice.org2 |
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| 11:32.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:32.05 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 11:32.05 | Eulex | umh, a version of openoffice.org, I mean |
| 11:32.14 | tarzeau | tts: it's called command line |
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| 11:32.41 | halibut | Synaptic is to debian, as ??? is to Suse ? |
| 11:32.50 | tarzeau | halibut: ugly |
| 11:32.57 | tarzeau | halibut: yast2 |
| 11:33.01 | Guerin | !htfswk halibut |
| 11:33.02 | halibut | ok |
| 11:33.02 | dpkg | halibut: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 11:33.09 | man_in_tosh | :) |
| 11:33.11 | halibut | :) |
| 11:33.31 | man_in_tosh | synaptic is to idiots as aptitude is to real users |
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| 11:33.39 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: apt-get is for the real users |
| 11:33.45 | [miles] | hello guys |
| 11:34.02 | joris | man_in_tosh: I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 11:34.09 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, i cleared up over 100MB taken up by unused packages with aptitude |
| 11:34.16 | man_in_tosh | though that also uninstalled aptitude :D |
| 11:34.25 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: using what command? |
| 11:34.29 | [miles] | I'm having to work with a distro called LLiurex, which is a spin off of debain... can you tell me htf I kill the X server... In SuSE we just drop it from init 5 to init 3... |
| 11:34.38 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 11:34.38 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 11:34.41 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, haha |
| 11:34.42 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, "mark as automaticly installed" |
| 11:34.42 | [miles] | I need to install the NVidia controllers |
| 11:34.47 | tarzeau | [miles]: pkill -9 X |
| 11:34.53 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 11:34.53 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 11:34.54 | [miles] | tarzeau: tried it |
| 11:34.55 | iixi | [miles]: debian damn it |
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| 11:35.03 | Guerin | [miles]: /etc/init.d/?dm stop might work |
| 11:35.05 | tarzeau | [miles]: nvidia controllers? braindead! |
| 11:35.06 | hoopotus | with what command can I delete a whole directory, like deltree in windows? |
| 11:35.09 | [miles] | tarzeau: it restarts X automatically |
| 11:35.13 | hoopotus | + subdirectories |
| 11:35.15 | Guerin | hoopotus: man rm |
| 11:35.22 | tarzeau | hoopotus: rm -rf directory |
| 11:35.28 | tarzeau | [miles]: read nodm |
| 11:35.46 | [miles] | tarzeau: nodm? |
| 11:35.54 | Eulex | [miles], go join whatever channel whatever it was named has -- that way you'll get more accurate info |
| 11:35.57 | tarzeau | [miles]: can you scroll back 10 lines and read what dpkg said? |
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| 11:36.05 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 11:36.05 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:36.19 | tarzeau | !based on |
| 11:36.28 | man_in_tosh | gee we've kicked up now |
| 11:36.29 | [miles] | Eulex: problem is its a real limited distro... there where two people in the channel yesterday.... and they were not active... |
| 11:36.29 | StrayLlama | Hi |
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| 11:36.39 | Guerin | [miles]: sucks to be using it. |
| 11:36.40 | man_in_tosh | one question about suse and the channel goes wild! |
| 11:36.41 | tarzeau | [miles]: then don't use it. use debian |
| 11:36.41 | [miles] | it's a Spanish / Valenciano distro for education instutues |
| 11:36.55 | tarzeau | [miles]: http://www.debian.org/users |
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| 11:37.05 | tarzeau | [miles]: some large education institutes use debian too |
| 11:37.06 | [miles] | :-\ I can't ... the valencian council have created it |
| 11:37.15 | tarzeau | [miles]: hahahah |
| 11:37.15 | StrayLlama | Quick question, do I need all 14 iso images to install debian? |
| 11:37.19 | [miles] | it must be installed... cos of the language translations :-| |
| 11:37.19 | Guerin | NIHS |
| 11:37.23 | tarzeau | [miles]: why can't you? |
| 11:37.30 | tarzeau | [miles]: they force you to use something they don't support? |
| 11:37.33 | vulture | StrayLlama: In a word: no. |
| 11:37.35 | tarzeau | [miles]: how stupid is that? |
| 11:37.36 | [miles] | basically, yes |
| 11:37.39 | [miles] | it's very |
| 11:37.40 | tarzeau | [miles]: who are them? |
| 11:37.41 | Guerin | [miles]: because a debian language pack can't be made. |
| 11:37.41 | [miles] | hehe |
| 11:37.48 | [miles] | I actually installed SuSE on all boxes... |
| 11:37.55 | tarzeau | [miles]: then you are wrong here |
| 11:37.56 | [miles] | then one guy comes in and says.... "Ohhhhhhhhhh no no no" |
| 11:37.59 | man_in_tosh | i can't find openoffice.org help in apt :| |
| 11:38.03 | man_in_tosh | using etch |
| 11:38.17 | [miles] | I'll try killing gdm... one sec bb |
| 11:38.27 | StrayLlama | Okay vulture, which ones do I need to do just a basic workstation install? |
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| 11:39.12 | lnxnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.19 | lnxnt | on Windows! |
| 11:39.22 | Eulex | StrayLlama, the box in question that you are going to install debian on, does it have an internet connection? |
| 11:39.23 | tarzeau | lnxnt: you are wrong here |
| 11:39.26 | tarzeau | lnxnt: #windows |
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| 11:39.38 | lnxnt | but this is a firefox problem |
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| 11:39.44 | tarzeau | lnxnt: so #firefox |
| 11:39.54 | StrayLlama | Yes it does Eulex |
| 11:39.55 | Eulex | !windowssmite lnxnt |
| 11:39.56 | tarzeau | lnxnt: it sure is NOT a debian problem, or #sun or #java |
| 11:39.56 | Tchiak | Do you know where your java install is. |
| 11:39.59 | lnxnt | but there everyone sleeps |
| 11:40.04 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 11:40.04 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:40.06 | Tchiak | Millions of people aday can not tell you where their java install is |
| 11:40.07 | Eulex | umh, there's no windowssmite? :) |
| 11:40.12 | tarzeau | lnxnt: this is NOT the problem of people in #debian |
| 11:40.13 | JohnnyST | how do I enable perl in apache2? not it tries to download a .pl file and not run it. |
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| 11:40.37 | Tchiak | That is why i have established the java install foundation to help these poor installs get back on their code and into the websites |
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| 11:40.46 | Eulex | StrayLlama, get the netinstall cd then, or maybe even the businesscard |
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| 11:40.47 | man_in_tosh | why are there no openoffice.org-help packages in testing? :( |
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| 11:41.02 | xoz | JohnnyST: make a link in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 11:41.14 | tts | OO is so bad, it should be removed from Debian |
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| 11:41.21 | man_in_tosh | bah |
| 11:41.26 | tarzeau | tts: i agree it's bad |
| 11:41.26 | man_in_tosh | OOo draw is awesome |
| 11:41.27 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, there are no openoffice.org-help package anywhere in debian |
| 11:41.31 | xoz | JohnnyST: and restart... make sure /etc/apache2/mods-available/ has perl mod installed |
| 11:41.33 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: worst thing i've seen |
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| 11:41.40 | man_in_tosh | :O |
| 11:41.44 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: check these http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ fantastic software |
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| 11:42.10 | StrayLlama | Do you have full control doing a netinstall Eulex? it will be sharing a disk with Gentoo, and, dare I say it .. the W word ... |
| 11:42.20 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, however, there are openoffice.org-help-* |
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| 11:42.25 | Eulex | StrayLlama, you do. |
| 11:42.38 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, in unstable |
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| 11:42.49 | man_in_tosh | ok |
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| 11:42.54 | JohnnyST | xoz: I have that link but it dose not work I have restartd apache2 as well. |
| 11:43.21 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/read.html |
| 11:43.28 | Eulex | man_in_tosh, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org-help-en-us |
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| 11:44.05 | StrayLlama | Okay thanks man, I'll give that a try, don't wanna dload 14 iso's if it's not neccessary .... |
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| 11:44.08 | tts | man_in_tosh: if you need OO to open or create MS Word, use Abiword instead. |
| 11:44.15 | man_in_tosh | man, this looks really ugly: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/openwrite.png |
| 11:44.16 | Eulex | StrayLlama, you have full control over a netinstall -- it's one of the most used ways of installing debian -- btw, what W word? |
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| 11:44.33 | StrayLlama | Curtains Eulex lol |
| 11:44.42 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: but it works MUCH nicer than microsoft word, or openoffice writer. and you get what you want on the paper printed |
| 11:44.55 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: did i tell it's fast? |
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| 11:45.19 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, i'm happy with OOo |
| 11:45.28 | man_in_tosh | though i wouldn't mind a database |
| 11:45.29 | StrayLlama | My wife uses Curtains and we share that machine lol |
| 11:45.32 | man_in_tosh | which is why i want OOo2 |
| 11:45.33 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: no fucking paperclips. no "you need to update shit before you can keep on working", no error messages "error1235" |
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| 11:45.34 | xoz | JohnnyST: are you sure libapache2-mod-perl2 is installed? |
| 11:45.36 | ViViD | anyone here using nvidia twinview? |
| 11:45.37 | hoopotus | what image viewer do you prefer? |
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| 11:45.41 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: i'm disappointed badly by openoffice |
| 11:45.46 | tarzeau | hoopotus: feh |
| 11:45.50 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, i have never had OOo crash on me |
| 11:45.58 | JohnnyST | xoz: ket me check.. |
| 11:45.59 | rosco | hi |
| 11:46.01 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: i have never had OOo do what i wanted on me |
| 11:46.05 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, well that's your choice, but i am happy with it |
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| 11:46.32 | JohnnyST | xoz: yes it is installed. |
| 11:46.34 | rosco | I have a script for shorewall (and ntpdate) in /etc/init.d/, but I cannot find the links in /etc/rcX.d/, what the hell ?! |
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| 11:46.48 | JohnnyST | xoz: how do I chck what modules apache have loaded? |
| 11:46.48 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: did you know the very same company that released OOo/SO sources also has the sources of the ugly screenshots you've seen? |
| 11:46.51 | rosco | and the scripts are launched at boot! |
| 11:47.05 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: and they refuse to release them? all because of java |
| 11:47.22 | tts | What's OOo ? |
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| 11:47.37 | Guerin | tts: openoffice.org |
| 11:47.38 | wubo | Hello everyone! Today I use lftp queue and mirror a folder, I make lftp background, and I run lftp again, but jobs,fg,wait can't display the state of the queue, How can I call back the lftp?? |
| 11:47.41 | man_in_tosh | sources of the screenshots? :| |
| 11:47.43 | xoz | JohnnyST: check the doc /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-perl2/. also, check the log in /var/log |
| 11:48.01 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: i mean change a font/color in ooo, gets you so nervous the many many times you need to click the mouse |
| 11:48.06 | tts | But isn't the software called Open Office? So it should be OO. |
| 11:48.07 | JohnnyST | xoz: ok will do that.. |
| 11:48.11 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: i badly hate it, anyways you can like it, i don't care |
| 11:48.16 | brosioz | anyone have try kde3.5rc1 from alitoh ? any problem with k3b lib or ecc ? |
| 11:48.18 | caphuso | wubo: you can't |
| 11:48.27 | tarzeau | brosioz: #debian-kde |
| 11:48.30 | Eulex | tts, OpenOffice.org => OOo |
| 11:48.34 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: i did them? |
| 11:48.39 | POVaddct | wubo: maybe run lftp in screen? |
| 11:48.44 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: i've got two machines run OPENSTEP. want to try it? |
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| 11:49.00 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, i'm happy running xfce4 |
| 11:49.13 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: man that's not a fucking window manager limited to X11 |
| 11:49.17 | wubo | no, I can't use the screen, if that, it is easy... |
| 11:49.20 | feidaykin | yep xfce4 is good |
| 11:49.26 | man_in_tosh | sigh |
| 11:50.07 | man_in_tosh | why can't people stop dictating what is good and why package x is better than package y? |
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| 11:50.27 | man_in_tosh | i choose to use OOo. i choose to use xfce4. i choose to use xorg |
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| 11:50.38 | mtnman | man_in_tosh: because x is clearly better than y |
| 11:50.44 | man_in_tosh | i could just as easily use abiword, gnome and xfree86 |
| 11:50.53 | azeem | man_in_tosh: well, ignore them |
| 11:50.58 | azeem | can't do much about that in here |
| 11:50.59 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: you started to say "OOo draw is awesom" |
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| 11:51.07 | man_in_tosh | heh |
| 11:51.09 | mtnman | man_in_tosh: you are very socialized |
| 11:51.11 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: didn't you? |
| 11:51.12 | xoz | JohnnyST: also make a link with the conf file of perl from mods-available to mods-enabled. |
| 11:51.20 | xfan | debian is better than windows .....xxxD |
| 11:51.22 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: first you start the shit, then you complain |
| 11:51.22 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, but at least i didn't say "everyone should use OOo draw" |
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| 11:51.32 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: did i say everyone should use OPENSTEP? |
| 11:51.34 | xoz | JohnnyST: and check its content |
| 11:51.41 | man_in_tosh | tarzeau, you're saying i should |
| 11:51.48 | tarzeau | man_in_tosh: no i kindly asked if you would like to |
| 11:51.49 | liran_ | is there something like a remote desktop server for linux? i mean, so that windows clients can connect to my X using the built in mstsc (remote desktop) program |
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| 11:52.08 | POVaddct | liran_: x11vnc |
| 11:52.12 | JohnnyST | xoz: What should the contet be? |
| 11:52.16 | mtnman | liran_: there are xservers for win32 |
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| 11:52.33 | xoz | JohnnyST: i think the default one is ok but check it. |
| 11:52.36 | liran_ | right. x11vnc is a vnc server though |
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| 11:52.58 | liran_ | so there are no such servers for the remote desktop program, right? |
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| 11:53.14 | mtnman | liran_: wtf is the remote desktop program? some windows thingy?" |
| 11:53.20 | valdyn_ | liran_: that wouldnt make sense |
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| 11:53.29 | valdyn_ | liran_: there's X, there's vnc |
| 11:53.47 | liran_ | mtnman, let me rephrase the question |
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| 11:54.03 | POVaddct | liran_: you mean a server for rdesktop? no, there isn't |
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| 11:54.08 | liran_ | can windows clients connect to my x using a built-in program in windows or must they download vnc or some other 3rd party tool? |
| 11:54.16 | liran_ | POVaddct, right, thats what im asking. thanks. |
| 11:54.18 | blondie | liran_: yes |
| 11:54.24 | valdyn_ | liran_: vnc is window system agnostic, windows rdesktop thing isnt, X isnt |
| 11:54.29 | mtnman | liran_: afaik, you need some software not included in windoze |
| 11:54.37 | man_in_tosh | liran_, dude, windows doesn't even have a decent graphics app |
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| 11:54.45 | liran_ | man_in_tosh, hehe :) |
| 11:55.02 | JohnnyST | xoz: funny thing is that in the apache log so dose it say that perl is avalible.. |
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| 11:55.17 | vbo | man_in_tosh: it does, it just costs a few hundred dollars. |
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| 11:55.19 | liran_ | ok so lets move on |
| 11:55.21 | eliteforce | hi |
| 11:55.25 | liran_ | what do i need in windows to conenct to X? |
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| 11:55.42 | xfan | liran_ : vnc ? |
| 11:55.44 | vbo | a vnc client. and a vnc server on the debian box. |
| 11:55.44 | man_in_tosh | windows is a 100% graphical OS now. it shoulda at least come with a gimp-equive |
| 11:55.47 | man_in_tosh | *equiv |
| 11:55.48 | mtnman | liran_: you need to run an xserver on the winbox |
| 11:55.51 | POVaddct | liran_: an X server, like cygwin xfree86 |
| 11:55.55 | rosco | are the scripts in /etc/rcS.d executed ONLY in single user mode ? |
| 11:56.10 | valdyn_ | rosco: no |
| 11:56.32 | liran_ | and if the remote client is linux, how does it connect? |
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| 11:56.54 | man_in_tosh | liran_, with a vnc client, duh |
| 11:56.54 | POVaddct | liran_: XFree86.exe -query ip_of_linux_box |
| 11:57.01 | mtnman | liran_: i think you would gain much info from reading the remote x-apps howto at tldp.org |
| 11:57.01 | valdyn_ | rosco: those are the scripts run on on startup before runlevels |
| 11:57.12 | valdyn_ | rosco: so they arent run when switching runlevels |
| 11:57.20 | liran_ | ahh thanks for the link mtnman, didnt know it existed |
| 11:57.24 | POVaddct | liran_: or run x11vnc on the linux box and connect from windows with a vnc viewer |
| 11:57.27 | liran_ | ok good idea, im gonna do some reading |
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| 11:57.36 | xoz | JohnnyST: does /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so exists? |
| 11:57.38 | liran_ | POVaddct, that i've done before :) |
| 11:57.40 | mtnman | liran_: welcome and happy reading. |
| 11:57.46 | liran_ | thanks guys |
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| 11:58.02 | JohnnyST | xoz: yes it dose. |
| 11:58.03 | eliteforce | can somebody give me links to tutorials or other docs where i can find out more about mail stuff (fetchmail, postfix, procmail, sendmail ...)? |
| 11:58.12 | POVaddct | liran_: and you found vnc too slow? |
| 11:58.28 | liran_ | POVaddct, i think it was fine. |
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| 11:58.32 | mtnman | eliteforce: there is a mail admin howto at tldp.org. |
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| 11:58.43 | liran_ | eh, wrong key |
| 11:58.44 | eliteforce | mtnman: thanks! |
| 11:58.51 | mtnman | eliteforce: welcome |
| 11:58.58 | liran_ | POVaddct, it was fine considering i ran it on a P2 200mhz/32ram :) |
| 11:59.10 | JohnnyST | xoz: The problem is that perl is enbaled in apache but it dose not recognice a .pl so it tries to download it instead... |
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| 12:00.03 | POVaddct | liran_: so why don't you use vnc? setting up X on the windows box is rather complicated |
| 12:00.04 | mtnman | povaddct: not in my experience. |
| 12:00.04 | hoopotus | how do I access the cd in the drive? there is 'cdrom' in the root directory. Do I have to mount it? |
| 12:00.11 | mtnman | hoopotus: yes |
| 12:00.25 | mtnman | hoopotus: wait... music or data? |
| 12:00.26 | rosco | valdyn_:ok, thanks! |
| 12:00.31 | POVaddct | mtnman: you need the whole cygwin suite just to run X. IMHO thats braindead |
| 12:00.33 | hoopotus | mtnman, data |
| 12:00.47 | mtnman | povaddct: there are other xservers. |
| 12:00.53 | Guerin | POVaddct: it's braindead to want to run x on windows |
| 12:00.57 | mtnman | hoopotus: you need to mount it. |
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| 12:01.04 | Guerin | it's braindead to want to run windows |
| 12:01.09 | Guerin | simple |
| 12:01.13 | POVaddct | Guerin: right. thats why i suggested using vnc |
| 12:01.20 | hoopotus | mtnman, ok. could you tell me how? I have never mounted a cd drive |
| 12:01.31 | Guerin | POVaddct: don't solve the problem of using windows, though |
| 12:01.41 | mtnman | hoopotus: read man mount. something like mount /dev/hdc /mnt |
| 12:01.42 | valdyn_ | hoopotus: 'man mount' |
| 12:02.16 | mtnman | hoopotus: you may need a flag like -t iso9660 |
| 12:03.12 | hoopotus | mtnman, ok. It worked without that flag |
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| 12:03.26 | POVaddct | Guerin: just read the original question from liran_. he *wants* to remote control the linux desktop from the windows box. |
| 12:03.31 | shay | !tell root__ about root |
| 12:03.47 | POVaddct | Guerin: i also prefer linux only environments |
| 12:03.50 | shay | okay he got it :) |
| 12:03.57 | Guerin | POVaddct: rube goldberg network |
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| 12:06.37 | Eulex | Guerin, I use vnc from windows on my school to connect to my home computer. btw, they are paying a small fortune for a few w2k3 servers, a bunch normal computers with w2k3 and a bunch of thin citrix client. yet it's impossible to try to convince them to switch to linux. they are simply closed. |
| 12:07.02 | Guerin | Eulex: supidity is endemic |
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| 12:07.16 | Esaj | is there a way to non-destructively "undo" a RAID volume created by ICH5R? |
| 12:07.16 | blondie | no |
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| 12:08.53 | Eulex | Guerin, yep. |
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| 12:09.27 | blondie | Eulex: things are that simple, of course |
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| 12:10.12 | paulswm | liran_: Was afk, so just saw your question: I've used x11vnc to connect from a remote windows Xp box to a Linux x desktop, even tunneling it through ssh and a http proxy, it works great. The x11vnc package is available in debian, and here is a link to more info, the howto is very good: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 12:11.44 | o0x0o | hi all, just a 10c question: how could i change my X11 apps fonts? - i use debian-sid/gnome, I found nothing that could change the font size for ooffice, LinNeighborhood and a few X11 apps, where find i find this font setup? |
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| 12:12.00 | o0x0o | other apps are fine |
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| 12:12.41 | hoopotus | how about ejecting the cd? it doesn't come out though it's not mounted anymore. 'efect' command in the menu doesn't work either |
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| 12:13.13 | POVaddct | hoopotus: try "eject" on the command line |
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| 12:14.17 | hoopotus | POVaddct, it says 'unable to open /dev/cdrom |
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| 12:14.31 | POVaddct | hoopotus: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
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| 12:14.56 | KAMPRET | SAAADTRTUOOIOHGJB |
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| 12:15.21 | hoopotus | POVaddct, the result: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jul 26 2003 /dev/cdrom -> hdb |
| 12:15.28 | POVaddct | hoopotus: ls -l /dev/hdb |
| 12:15.30 | KAMPRET | RYDUO0U[ |
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| 12:15.48 | hoopotus | POVaddct, brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 64 Mar 14 2002 /dev/hdb |
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| 12:16.13 | POVaddct | hoopotus: is /dev/hdb really your cdrom? |
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| 12:16.25 | POVaddct | hoopotus: cat /proc/ide/hdb/media |
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| 12:16.40 | hoopotus | POVaddct, I thought it was /dev/cdrom but now it says so... |
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| 12:17.00 | POVaddct | hoopotus: /dev/cdrom is just a symbolic link |
| 12:17.01 | mtnman | hoopotus: /dev/cdrom is a link to the actual device. |
| 12:17.13 | hoopotus | POVaddct, there's no directory hdb |
| 12:17.26 | POVaddct | hoopotus: so the symlink is wrong |
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| 12:17.36 | blondie | hdb is not a directory |
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| 12:17.50 | POVaddct | blondie: under /proc/ide, it is |
| 12:18.02 | blondie | oh |
| 12:18.08 | hoopotus | /proc/ide 's contents: drivers hda ide0 piix |
| 12:18.09 | blondie | c.c |
| 12:18.25 | POVaddct | blondie: if hdb is existing as ide hardware |
| 12:18.48 | POVaddct | hoopotus: cat /proc/ide/hda/{media,model} |
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| 12:19.19 | hoopotus | POVaddct, disk |
| 12:19.19 | hoopotus | QUANTUM FIREBALL CR4.3A |
| 12:19.27 | hoopotus | hard disk... |
| 12:19.34 | POVaddct | hoopotus: that is your hard disk |
| 12:19.38 | hoopotus | POVaddct, yep |
| 12:19.43 | chrysopa | Hi, |
| 12:19.46 | Esaj | what's a good tool for recovering the MBR? |
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| 12:19.52 | POVaddct | hoopotus: the cdrom is missing (is it a ide (atapi) cdrom?) |
| 12:20.00 | Richie086 | what distro are you trying to do this on? |
| 12:20.00 | hoopotus | POVaddct, yes it is |
| 12:20.11 | xfan | Esaj : hiren's boot cd |
| 12:20.29 | POVaddct | hoopotus: maybe ide-scsi emulation is turned on for the cdrom |
| 12:20.44 | Richie086 | hoopotus: what distro are u using just wondering |
| 12:20.52 | chrysopa | Anybody know where update-grub cat info for build menu.lst? My update-grub is build a wrong menu.lst, it put hde1 but the correct is sda1 |
| 12:20.52 | POVaddct | hoopotus: ide-scsi emulation is deprecated these days |
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| 12:21.00 | hoopotus | Richie086, debian sarge |
| 12:21.02 | Esaj | xfan: cool, does it know about linux partitions? |
| 12:21.22 | hoopotus | POVaddct, could you give me further information |
| 12:21.29 | Richie086 | hmm should work the way they are telling u to do it.. |
| 12:21.33 | POVaddct | hoopotus: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 12:21.50 | Richie086 | and your just trying to unmount the cdrom? |
| 12:22.00 | hoopotus | Richie086, trying to eject |
| 12:22.03 | xfan | yes |
| 12:22.15 | hoopotus | poop, Attached devices: none |
| 12:22.17 | chrysopa | I look in man update-grub and in /etc, but dont find anything |
| 12:22.36 | eliteforce | is qmail a good choice if i dont need something special but easy to configure and good working mta? |
| 12:22.51 | mtnman | hoopotus: this may sound like a silly question, but have you tried pressing the eject button on the cd drive? |
| 12:22.59 | hoopotus | POVaddct, no it came out with eject |
| 12:23.07 | hoopotus | mtnman, yes I have :) it didn't work |
| 12:23.28 | hoopotus | but it ejected. thank you guys |
| 12:23.28 | mtnman | hoopotus: are you sure the cd is no longer mounted? |
| 12:23.41 | Richie086 | have you tried checking fstab to see what device it might be called? |
| 12:23.48 | hoopotus | mtnman, yep, it wasn't. I don't know what problem there was |
| 12:24.46 | POVaddct | hoopotus: without knowing what the problem was, it is likely you experience the problem again |
| 12:25.22 | hoopotus | POVaddct, I just found out that the problem was quite stupid... |
| 12:25.28 | POVaddct | hoopotus: it would be interesting to see which device shows up in the output of "mount" or "df" during the cd is mounted |
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| 12:26.00 | Silent_al | Has any1 here got a Sony-Ericsson W800i , and got it working with his Debian? |
| 12:26.18 | hoopotus | POVaddct, I'm sorry I spent your time, it was because I was ssh'ing another computer (our server which doesn't have a cdrom) |
| 12:26.30 | eliteforce | has somebody tried qmail on debian yet? :D |
| 12:26.33 | POVaddct | hoopotus: hehe, alright :) |
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| 12:26.36 | hoopotus | POVaddct, :) |
| 12:26.50 | valdyn_ | !anyone |
| 12:26.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:26.56 | Silent_al | eliteforce, funny .. hehe =\ |
| 12:26.56 | xoz | JohnnyST: it's still beta... |
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| 12:28.24 | eliteforce | Silent_al: ok can you recommend me an easy and free mta? |
| 12:28.30 | xoz | JohnnyST: you can try editng /etc/apache2/apache2.conf .... AddType text/x-perl .pl and AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .sh .pl |
| 12:28.42 | JohnnyST | xoz: I can try that.. |
| 12:29.00 | Silent_al | eliteforce, mta ? whats that? |
| 12:29.11 | Eulex | !mta |
| 12:29.11 | xoz | JohnnyST: and place the perlscript in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 12:29.11 | dpkg | it has been said that mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 12:29.21 | eliteforce | Silent_al: mail transfer agent |
| 12:29.23 | xoz | JohnnyST: and restart apache2 |
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| 12:29.32 | Silent_al | eliteforce, oh |
| 12:29.36 | Silent_al | umm... |
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| 12:30.49 | Silent_al | eliteforce> exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail :P , they're all free i guess |
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| 12:31.26 | xoz | JohnnyST: make sure the script has executable permission.. chmod +x |
| 12:32.57 | lord_rob | Hi ! How well does etch installer beta 1 behave ? Does it hang every minute or so ? |
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| 12:33.32 | Eulex | lord_rob, as it is a beta, it may do anything |
| 12:33.40 | JohnnyST | xoz, now I get some results.. I can run one .pl file so I have to debug the rest now.. |
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| 12:33.54 | JohnnyST | thanks a lot so far :) |
| 12:34.00 | Eulex | lord_rob, install sarge and dist-upgrade to testing instead |
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| 12:34.28 | o0x0o | hi all, how could i change my pure X11 apps fonts? - i use debian-sid/gnome/sawfish, I found nothing that could change the fonts size for LinNeighborhood, Xedit, Xfig and a few X11 apps! |
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| 12:35.23 | mtnman | o0x0o: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. there should be a fonts section |
| 12:35.25 | lord_rob | Eulex: my hardware is too recent and not well supported by sarge installer. For the moment, I'm using akanotix live cd installed on hd and upgraded to the latest sid |
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| 12:35.59 | xoz | JohnnyST: i think the conf file during the installation should contain the proper env setting. if you check it contains nothing which means that you should bug the maintainer. |
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| 12:36.17 | ziom | hi, does anybody know where the grub-file with the keyboard device is? |
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| 12:36.31 | o0x0o | mtnman, of course i have a font section in my xorg.conf file, but i only can add fonts type, not configure wich fonts and wich size for my pure X11 apps |
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| 12:36.50 | POVaddct | lord_rob: you could try the installer in qemu, so your real system is not affected |
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| 12:37.06 | xoz | JohnnyST: if you read the NEWS.Debian.gz in the accompanying doc, it says something about perl.conf |
| 12:37.22 | lord_rob | hmmm good idea POVaddct thanks |
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| 12:37.49 | o0x0o | mtnman, this is more user config related than xorg setup |
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| 12:38.10 | mtnman | o0x0o: dunno anything about xorg |
| 12:38.25 | JohnnyST | xoz: ok. |
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| 12:38.45 | o0x0o | mtnman, it's exactly the same as xfree... |
| 12:38.48 | mymayer | where are the best packages/current packages for xfce ? |
| 12:39.02 | JohnnyST | xoz: Well I still can not get some files to work I do not know why. |
| 12:39.25 | ziom | the only dev strings in the grub-folder are connected with harddrives.. where does grub get the keyboard from? |
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| 12:39.47 | JohnnyST | xoz: maby I have to change to the older version of apcahe ther it works.. |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | mymayer: whichever are in your current version of debian |
| 12:40.11 | mymayer | abrotman, no one |
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| 12:40.28 | mymayer | iam installed kubuntu today, as its based on debian and is a bit advanced for desktop |
| 12:40.32 | abrotman | mymayer: huh ? apt-cache search xfce |
| 12:40.42 | mymayer | abrotman, let me explai |
| 12:40.46 | mymayer | i found that page |
| 12:40.47 | o0x0o | hi all, how could i change my pure X11 apps fonts? - i use debian-sid/xorg/gnome/sawfish - where is the setup dialog??? |
| 12:40.47 | abrotman | mymayer: #kubuntu |
| 12:41.09 | mtnman | o0x0o: dunno if this is what you want/need to look at, but there is a directory /etc/X11/app-defaults |
| 12:41.18 | mymayer | abrotman, i know this is debia, but the systems are like brothers. Couldnt you help ? |
| 12:41.40 | abrotman | mymayer: i have no idea if xfce will work on kubuntu .. i've never used it |
| 12:41.49 | Eulex | abrotman, same thing yesterday. he /ignore'd me for telling him to go away. |
| 12:41.55 | blondie | if you use kbuntu you're meant to use kde ;) |
| 12:41.56 | EuroNews | mymayer fuck you ! |
| 12:42.05 | abrotman | mymayer: i'd tell the people in #kubuntu that you want xfce .. if they can't help you .. install debian proper |
| 12:42.09 | blondie | mymayer: run along to #kubuntu |
| 12:42.13 | mtnman | eruronews: no need for profanity |
| 12:42.14 | mymayer | abrotman, doesnt kubuntu and debai rely on the same base ? |
| 12:42.30 | blondie | mymayer: please at least spell "debian" properly |
| 12:42.38 | mtnman | mymayer: kubuntu changes things. the debian way may not work for kubuntu |
| 12:42.44 | EuroNews | mymayer I know ;) |
| 12:42.46 | mymayer | guys stop kidding arround, what is it here ? |
| 12:42.48 | EuroNews | where you live ? |
| 12:42.51 | abrotman | mymayer: kubuntu changes things ... and possibly some basic things .. really your best course of action is to tell #kubuntu that you want to use xfce |
| 12:43.07 | mymayer | abrotman, sure |
| 12:43.25 | EuroNews | mymayer where you live ? |
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| 12:43.42 | abrotman | mymayer: as an alternative .. install Debian .. then we can help you |
| 12:43.46 | blondie | EuroNews: in a cave |
| 12:43.48 | mymayer | abrotman, its just i istalled my debain server just with the help of you. And thats why iam asking here also because i thaught kubunut and debian have the same basics, just diffrent packages |
| 12:44.00 | POVaddct | mymayer: i guess your best bet is building xfce from source and install to /usr/local |
| 12:44.02 | EuroNews | where is that ? |
| 12:44.05 | abrotman | mymayer: no .. they change the packages |
| 12:44.10 | xoz | kubunut sounds a godd name for a band |
| 12:44.16 | JohnnyST | xoz: I found the the last problem it was the cache in the browser.. |
| 12:44.18 | abrotman | POVaddct: ok .. that's just silly |
| 12:44.18 | mymayer | abrotman, thank you for clearing that |
| 12:44.43 | JohnnyST | xoz: But it was also the missing stuff in the apache configuration as well.. |
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| 12:44.48 | EuroNews | davi eba putkata mai4ina na site !! |
| 12:45.01 | POVaddct | abrotman: kubuntu just don't has this package, according to mymayer |
| 12:45.02 | blondie | sadlk lker asd0kk asdk eras? |
| 12:45.20 | abrotman | POVaddct: and? .. he should either install Debian .. or deal with KDE ? |
| 12:45.37 | abrotman | POVaddct: mixing sources like that can result in total system failure! |
| 12:45.56 | mymayer | abrotman, its ok. I just made a mistake calling kubuntu and debian to be the same basics |
| 12:46.08 | POVaddct | abrotman: i am talking about compiling from source, not mixing entries in sources.list |
| 12:46.19 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
| 12:46.28 | abrotman | POVaddct: i know .. but are you 100% sure that kubuntu has the package needed to compile xfce ? |
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| 12:46.38 | abrotman | tarzeau!!! guitar shop .. it's saturday! |
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| 12:46.59 | POVaddct | abrotman: no, but at least it's worth a try |
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| 12:47.14 | Soni | rver irc.spnet.net |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | POVaddct: then take mymayer to #xfce .. and help him there :) |
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| 12:47.29 | abrotman | what a tard |
| 12:47.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know. i'm one lazy man. i rather learn to play on it than have it checked/fixed |
| 12:47.33 | abrotman | mymayer: not you .. Soni |
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| 12:48.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you destroy that guitar .. i'm going to come to switzerland and kill you :) |
| 12:48.13 | deadcat | can someone with mplayer plugin see if this play or not: http://athletedreams.com/athletes.php?ID=TE_Rob_Overton |
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| 12:49.48 | abrotman | debhelper: KILL! |
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| 12:50.16 | liable | deadcat: no |
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| 12:50.44 | deadcat | liable: thanks |
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| 12:50.47 | deadcat | crap |
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| 12:50.58 | codemaster_ | hey anyone fair with map projections and ccordinates conversion ? |
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| 12:51.16 | codemaster_ | i know it's not the place but is there a place for this ? |
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| 12:51.58 | abrotman | #gis ? i have no idea where you'd ask about that |
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| 12:52.29 | tarzeau | if i got a dollar for every one of these, i'd be rich: [2] + segmentation fault firefox |
| 12:52.30 | mymayer | abrotman, thank you for your time |
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| 12:52.43 | abrotman | mymayer: have a nice day! |
| 12:52.57 | deadcat | liable: i dont know how to make it NOT download untill i click play |
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| 12:53.26 | shay | hi tzafrir_home |
| 12:53.35 | shay | shabat shalom |
| 12:53.36 | tzafrir_home | hi |
| 12:53.47 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 12:53.53 | shay | hi elephantMan |
| 12:53.57 | resiak | Hi God! |
| 12:54.03 | blondie | resiak: hi |
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| 12:55.08 | elephantMan | I have a 2nd hdd on my debian box that is not mounted - The 1st is 'IDE' & the second is 'SATA' - How do i know which one is currently used ? |
| 12:55.20 | liable | deadcat: oh, weird, now it is working.. just hit stop, then refresh i guess.. |
| 12:55.25 | blondie | elephantMan: type mount |
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| 12:55.41 | blondie | elephantMan: if it says hda then the ide one is, if it says sda then it's sata |
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| 12:56.48 | abrotman | or usb |
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| 12:56.56 | abrotman | though .. i think that's changing |
| 12:56.58 | elephantMan | blondie, ok i check |
| 12:57.11 | blondie | abrotman: usb was not in the list of choices ;) |
| 12:57.13 | tzafrir_home | Should there be a seperate /dev/pts mount point on sarge? because on this box I had to mount it manually (and mkdir /dev/pts in the temporary /dev in the porcess) |
| 12:57.15 | abrotman | yeah yeah .. |
| 12:57.19 | elephantMan | blondie, its 'sda' |
| 12:57.41 | blondie | elephantMan: then it's (probably!) uses SATA |
| 12:58.08 | elephantMan | Now that i know its my 'IDE' drive that is not mounted (its formated using NTFS), how can i mount it ? |
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| 12:58.18 | tzafrir_home | df -h gives a better answer than 'mount' |
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| 12:58.53 | blondie | tzafrir_home: a better answer to what? |
| 12:59.10 | tzafrir_home | what is actually the root filesystem. |
| 12:59.20 | tzafrir_home | /dev/rootfs is not meaningful |
| 12:59.27 | elephantMan | I know 'df -h' |
| 12:59.33 | blondie | tzafrir_home: rubbish |
| 13:00.04 | tzafrir_home | it also removes some rubbish, such as thee /dev/pts entry, I guess |
| 13:00.22 | tzafrir_home | and speaking of /dev/pts entry... anybody? |
| 13:00.23 | blondie | tzafrir_home: df is no more useful than mount at telling you what is mounted |
| 13:00.50 | blondie | elephantMan: is there data on there you want to read? |
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| 13:01.37 | o0x0o | how could i change, for a given user, the general font of pure X11 apps? |
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| 13:02.06 | byun | hi~ |
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| 13:05.42 | eheil | Hey guys. apparently current upgrade of Udev is broken in Unstable. |
| 13:06.18 | slibs | i think gdesklets might be also |
| 13:06.38 | eheil | Not sure about taht one. |
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| 13:07.23 | o0x0o | eheil, it is! |
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| 13:07.42 | eheil | And apparently portions of openoffice.org 2.0 may be broken. aptitude wanted to remove openoffice.org-math for no reason, saying that it wasn't being used. |
| 13:07.42 | PQ47 | How do I tell apt-get to also install "recommended" and "suggested" packages? |
| 13:07.53 | antgel | PQ47: use aptitude |
| 13:08.00 | o0x0o | eheil, got the pb yesterday evening, i've set up udev to hold for the moment |
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| 13:08.35 | PQ47 | antgel: Does it need X11? |
| 13:08.41 | vimman | i just installed debian base system.. i want to install xwindows with fluxbox ? gan some one tell me how to go about ? or give me link |
| 13:08.51 | PQ47 | antgel: Ok :-) |
| 13:08.59 | kombi | if i this into a start script, will it run forever? while:;do foo;sleep10;done |
| 13:09.00 | antgel | PQ47: apt-cache show aptitude |
| 13:09.12 | kombi | write.. |
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| 13:09.25 | kombi | ..or put.. |
| 13:09.58 | PQ47 | antgel: Got it ;-) |
| 13:10.02 | kombi | or does an & need to go somewhere? |
| 13:10.16 | antgel | !tell vimman about install x |
| 13:10.19 | eheil | Yeah, Uddev is also on hold on this box. |
| 13:10.23 | o0x0o | hey all, anybody nows how could i change, for a given user, the general font of pure X11 apps? |
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| 13:10.35 | POVaddct | kombi: put the whole while loop in a subshell and append a & |
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| 13:10.47 | PQ47 | kombi: { while true; do foo; sleep 10; done; } & |
| 13:10.49 | POVaddct | kombi: (while : ; .... ; done) & |
| 13:11.06 | tpr | yo any clue which driver support S3 Inc. Savage2000 graphics cards? :p |
| 13:11.08 | tzafrir_home | o0x0o, check that program's man page. It is usually through a command-line switch such as -font, and/or through X resources |
| 13:11.11 | kombi | POVaddct + PQ40: thanks! |
| 13:11.55 | o0x0o | tzafrir_home, is there any user interface for X resources? |
| 13:12.21 | tzafrir_home | o0x0o, not a good one that I know of. |
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| 13:12.35 | tpr | or where to try and search for information on that card and the proper driver for it in the kernel |
| 13:12.41 | tzafrir_home | But the system is very flexible. |
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| 13:12.42 | tarzeau | when's gcc 4.1 going to get into sid? |
| 13:12.48 | antgel | o0x0o: any text editor |
| 13:13.14 | tzafrir_home | So you can use either general X resources, or per-application resources that will be read by it when it starts up |
| 13:13.42 | tzafrir_home | gconf et. al are not yet a match to it |
| 13:14.22 | o0x0o | sure antgel, but in the old days, there was something to select X11 font if i remember fine |
| 13:14.41 | eheil | Man Ech is much better than Fedora Core--anyone of you guys ever used that? rpm-managed distros are a bitch to upgrade. |
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| 13:14.53 | tzafrir_home | xfontsel? |
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| 13:15.54 | elirips | hello people. can i install linux on a 'logical' partition? i remember other some other OS that was only able to be installed on a primary-partition? |
| 13:16.10 | tzafrir_home | elirips, no problem at all |
| 13:16.10 | POVaddct | elirips: you can |
| 13:16.15 | Haz | Yep |
| 13:16.15 | o0x0o | sure elirips |
| 13:16.28 | elirips | ah, nice :) thank you. |
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| 13:17.45 | tzafrir_home | repeat my question: on a Sarge system with 2.6 and udev: who is supposed to generate /dev/pts? is it supposed to be an entry in fstab? automatic mount by the kernel? manual mount in the init scrpts? |
| 13:17.48 | OIbootNS | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.48 | OIbootNS | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.48 | OIbootNS | ( >__< ) |
| 13:17.48 | OIbootNS | ^^ ~~ ^^ |
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| 13:17.59 | tzafrir_home | no mount at all? |
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| 13:19.13 | antgel | tzafrir_home: everything in a udev-generated /dev is generated by drivers present in the kernel |
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| 13:19.42 | OIbootNS | i love debian |
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| 13:20.16 | tzafrir_home | antgel, I "fixed" the problem by a manual mkdir and mount. 'deppts' did appear in /proc/filesystems. I should note I used a non-default kernel |
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| 13:21.01 | tzafrir_home | OIbootNS, what's that nick mean? |
| 13:21.12 | antgel | tzafrir_home: then use a debian kernel or fix your kernel config |
| 13:21.22 | POVaddct | try this: ssh -p 10022 dsl@84.179.112.6 (passwd: lsd) |
| 13:21.34 | tzafrir_home | antgel, unfortunetly I have a problem using my network adapter with it |
| 13:22.00 | tzafrir_home | As for fixing: fixing what exactly? |
| 13:22.11 | OIbootNS | i dont know ask my brother |
| 13:22.12 | Skrotto | that works, POVaddct |
| 13:22.25 | POVaddct | Skrotto: yes. just a play machine |
| 13:22.34 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for showing up on a saturday! |
| 13:22.35 | Skrotto | Though exit doesn't work :p |
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| 13:23.06 | antgel | abrotman: no need to say thank you, it's the weekend after all |
| 13:23.36 | abrotman | antgel: but you could be out thanking people for free beer! .. which alwyas deserves a thanks! |
| 13:23.39 | OIbootNS | tzafrir_home, what does your nick means ? |
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| 13:23.50 | abrotman | antgel: you know ... we're pricks :) |
| 13:23.54 | eheil | hey how do ou change the default format of messages within the logwatch config? b/c apparently on Debian here the default format appears to be "raw" or unspecified." and of course we want some pretty output. |
| 13:24.00 | OIbootNS | (like i give a f*** ) |
| 13:24.23 | tzafrir_home | That my name is "Tzafrir" (google for it) and that this is my "home" nick |
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| 13:24.31 | Haz | Hey, Marc ^_^ |
| 13:24.52 | Borador | Hey Haz |
| 13:24.54 | antgel | tzafrir_home: i don't recall. haven't built a kernel for a while. my advice, if you have to build one, is use the debian .config and only change the minimum you need |
| 13:25.02 | abrotman | eheil: there are programs to convert the raw to pretty stuffs |
| 13:25.12 | OIbootNS | im gona be Napoloeon next time |
| 13:25.14 | antgel | tzafrir_home: it's amazing to see linux creeping into .il, which was windows-city last time i looked |
| 13:25.48 | tzafrir_home | antgel, I suspect the network adapter is mis-behaving. I get occasional crashes as it is when trying to load it |
| 13:25.55 | antgel | abrotman: thank you for that point. good to see kingsley_ here supporting users. i'll have to thank him |
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| 13:26.06 | eheil | Sepaking of Linux creeping into government, the state of MA mandated OpenDoc format and possibly OO.org for government use. |
| 13:26.08 | tzafrir_home | windows-only? never. |
| 13:26.18 | antgel | tzafrir_home: could be hardware, you're telling me it works with a different kernel? |
| 13:26.24 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for thanking him :) |
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| 13:26.33 | eheil | Anyone whose serious wouldn't run Windblows. |
| 13:26.38 | antgel | tzafrir_home: perhaps it's just the people i come into contact with |
| 13:26.42 | abrotman | who's |
| 13:26.45 | OIbootNS | any one tryed the new minix kernel ? |
| 13:26.56 | broadcaster | does LVM have any advantages over md? |
| 13:27.01 | azeem | OIbootNS: this is #debian, please stay on topic |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | OIbootNS: are you going to continue to troll ? |
| 13:27.06 | tzafrir_home | sort of. But what about /dev/pts ? Whose job is it to mount it in Sarge (if at all) |
| 13:27.41 | OIbootNS | you 2 are both out of topic |
| 13:27.42 | eheil | I think is Sarge it normally gets mounted by the kernel. |
| 13:27.54 | antgel | abrotman: what are you, the grammar police? i thanks you should let people talk funny |
| 13:27.56 | OIbootNS | or is troll merged into debian now ? |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | antgel: most people would thanks me for pointing out grammar mistakes! |
| 13:28.30 | antgel | OIbootNS: you need to improve your english as we don't understand your trolling |
| 13:28.32 | blondie | "thanks you"? |
| 13:28.43 | antgel | abrotman: i don't thanks so |
| 13:28.50 | eheil | I think so |
| 13:28.56 | OIbootNS | whats wrong with my english ? |
| 13:28.58 | abrotman | blondie: see http://nas.com/~change/private/irc/ to understand |
| 13:29.16 | eheil | Well it just needs imporvement. At least you're trying. |
| 13:29.27 | findme | tryed=tried |
| 13:29.31 | antgel | OIbootNS: how can a troll merge into a software distribution? |
| 13:29.42 | blondie | erm OK |
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| 13:29.48 | findme | chill dude !! Try your best is all! |
| 13:29.53 | tzafrir_home | antgel, a gnome is already part of it |
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| 13:30.10 | abrotman | !smack tzafrir_home |
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| 13:30.13 | antgel | !drumroll tzafrir_home |
| 13:30.18 | Eulex | tzafrir_home, and a graveman :) |
| 13:30.43 | OIbootNS | im gona trie to write better english fro now on :) |
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| 13:31.00 | abrotman | i'd call ops .. but it wouldn't do a damn thing |
| 13:31.08 | antgel | !abo |
| 13:31.10 | antgel | !afo |
| 13:31.10 | dpkg | well, afo is abrotman for ops! |
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| 13:31.13 | findme | good you need a spell checker first! for what ever you type! |
| 13:31.29 | Eulex | OIbootNS, I hope you didn't include that sentence in "fro now on" |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | antgel: you should make that (antgel|azeem|abrotman|anyone) or something lke that .. |
| 13:31.41 | al6ert | hi!I have some problems with GRUB,I have error 21. How can I repair it? |
| 13:31.43 | OIbootNS | abrotman, you should consider using a wissle in your mouth has you type |
| 13:31.44 | antgel | abrotman: i don't have the bot-fu but feel free |
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| 13:31.58 | abrotman | hehe .. we should make a !rfo .. $randnick for ops :) |
| 13:31.59 | tzafrir_home | al6ert, please give more details |
| 13:31.59 | blondie | OIbootNS: die instead |
| 13:32.05 | antgel | OIbootNS: i like you. you should be our resident troll |
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| 13:32.07 | tzafrir_home | after installation? |
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| 13:32.17 | abrotman | OIbootNS: check out this great command .. /part |
| 13:32.35 | antgel | abrotman: i thanks that would be excellent! |
| 13:32.42 | tzafrir_home | al6ert, ignore the noise in the channel |
| 13:32.59 | PQ47 | Hm |
| 13:33.00 | Eulex | abrotman, rm -rf / would be at least as good |
| 13:33.07 | antgel | al6ert: what does error 21 mean |
| 13:33.08 | PQ47 | gentoo > debian ? |
| 13:33.12 | antgel | Eulex: that's *not* on |
| 13:33.18 | al6ert | tzafrir_home, i install it, it runs ok, but now i start the pc after a sutdown causet by de electricity and i + |
| 13:33.27 | abrotman | Eulex: you assume too much . is he actually running an OS that understands rm |
| 13:33.32 | redguy | PQ47: thats heresy here |
| 13:33.33 | tzafrir_home | Eulex, don't think so. As long as the client is still open, an rm -rf will still not break the session |
| 13:33.33 | blondie | OIbootNS: what's a wissle? |
| 13:33.42 | al6ert | the message that i get is: Grub loadin, please wait; erro 21 |
| 13:33.44 | OIbootNS | isnt there an irc command like /=!ignore |
| 13:33.48 | [Bart] | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.10 | OIbootNS | i mean igoner every one but |
| 13:34.12 | Eulex | tzafrir_home, well, at least he'll be unable to return after the part :) |
| 13:34.14 | antgel | al6ert: and you've obviously looked that error up in the grub documentation, and are going to tell us what it means so that we can help? |
| 13:34.16 | Eulex | abrotman, true |
| 13:34.27 | OIbootNS | i mean igoner every one but [insert_nick_here] |
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| 13:34.52 | abrotman | OIbootNS: write it .. lazy bum |
| 13:34.54 | blondie | OIbootNS: just /quit instead |
| 13:34.57 | antgel | OIbootNS: /help ignore |
| 13:35.21 | al6ert | no sorry, well, i'm looking for it and tell you |
| 13:35.32 | OIbootNS | i dont know anmything about coding |
| 13:35.36 | antgel | abrotman: so how do we do the random nick factoid or how do i improve the existing one? |
| 13:35.41 | Eulex | OIbootNS, I think you're talking about private messaging... unfortunately it's not allowed here |
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| 13:36.17 | abrotman | !rfo is <reply>$randnick for ops! |
| 13:36.17 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 13:36.24 | OIbootNS | i once tried to program but all i got was sintax errors |
| 13:36.43 | abrotman | dpkg: no afo is <reply>(antgel|abrotman|azeem|anyone) for ops! |
| 13:36.43 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 13:36.51 | Eulex | !rfo |
| 13:36.52 | dpkg | iixi for ops! |
| 13:37.03 | Eulex | ok, works |
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| 13:37.06 | OIbootNS | !abrotman |
| 13:37.07 | dpkg | methinks abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 13:37.08 | abrotman | you doubted me ? |
| 13:37.09 | antgel | abrotman: thanks for that demonstration of bot-fu |
| 13:37.09 | azeem | OIbootNS: this chan is for Debian support, do you have questions about this or want to contribute? |
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| 13:37.21 | OIbootNS | obsessed with useless factoids |
| 13:37.25 | OIbootNS | LOL |
| 13:37.34 | abrotman | antgel: commands like !abrotmansmite foo are a bit trickier .. but that's another day :) |
| 13:37.36 | Eulex | abrotman, didn't work in privmsg to dpkg |
| 13:37.53 | OIbootNS | abrotman, you stay on irc 24/7 ? |
| 13:37.59 | systems | the qref manual says, that route and ifconfig are officially supersede by ip from iproute, how true is this, and should i believe everything said in the qref? |
| 13:38.01 | abrotman | Eulex: which didn't ? |
| 13:38.03 | antgel | OIbootNS: no, 36/10 |
| 13:38.08 | Eulex | abrotman, rfo |
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| 13:38.17 | abrotman | Eulex: and how many $randnick are in msg ? :) |
| 13:38.21 | OIbootNS | no wonder you are nuts |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | OIbootNS: no |
| 13:38.22 | Eulex | abrotman, ah, /me realizes why |
| 13:38.37 | antgel | OIbootNS: so have you installed debian yet? |
| 13:38.42 | trashbot | hi! I wanna setup a homeftp like I had on my win machine before -what program would you recommand to me? |
| 13:38.43 | OIbootNS | yes |
| 13:38.52 | tzafrir_home | al6ert, do you get a grub shell? |
| 13:38.52 | abrotman | systems: huh? |
| 13:38.58 | OIbootNS | i did it from stage 1 |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | he's not even a good troll |
| 13:39.10 | tzafrir_home | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors |
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| 13:39.30 | antgel | abrotman: no, i like him and hope he'll stay |
| 13:39.44 | blondie | OIbootNS: can I keep you as a pet? |
| 13:39.44 | abrotman | antgel: we would have the gods to thank! |
| 13:39.51 | systems | the qref manual heard of it? http://qref.sourceforge.net |
| 13:39.57 | abrotman | yes i've heard of it |
| 13:40.06 | abrotman | your question was badly worded i think |
| 13:40.06 | OIbootNS | only if you have a dimonds colar |
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| 13:40.14 | abrotman | or my feeble brain failed again |
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| 13:40.24 | al6ert | Sorry, I repair it with the documentation, thanks |
| 13:40.34 | tzafrir_home | abrotman, any troll that has managed to create that long a discussion is by definition a good troll |
| 13:40.46 | abrotman | discussion ? |
| 13:40.50 | antgel | al6ert: what a surprise :) |
| 13:40.52 | systems | page 181/199 says that |
| 13:40.59 | antgel | tzafrir_home: don't feed the troll ;) |
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| 13:41.24 | systems | the networking tools route and ifconfig are superseded by ip from the iproute package |
| 13:41.32 | Eulex | tzafrir_home, he has at most created a discussion on whether he is a troll or not, and how to get rid of him |
| 13:41.42 | abrotman | systems: got a full URL ? |
| 13:41.45 | al6ert | antgel sorry but it's firts time i install linux and i'm a little nervious |
| 13:41.59 | antgel | !tell al6ert about grounding |
| 13:42.15 | o0x0o | al6ert, you should you'll experience something irreversible :-) |
| 13:42.16 | tzafrir_home | al6ert, I'm impressed by you having what seems to be a printed manual |
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| 13:42.58 | abrotman | systems: the online thing doesn't seem to have page numbers |
| 13:43.20 | OIbootNS | al6ert, you are now one of us |
| 13:43.26 | OIbootNS | LoL |
| 13:43.29 | abrotman | i'm two of us |
| 13:43.32 | al6ert | jajaja ok! |
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| 13:43.50 | vimman | i had just installed the base system and added all the 14 sarge cd to apt source.. i did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 .. it says no package found |
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| 13:44.02 | systems | http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-low here |
| 13:44.12 | vimman | i had just installed the base system and added all the 14 sarge cd to apt source.. i did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 .. it says no package found |
| 13:44.16 | antgel | !tell vimman about install x |
| 13:44.20 | antgel | (again) |
| 13:44.25 | antgel | !tell vimman about repeat |
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| 13:44.42 | vimman | sorry for the repeat |
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| 13:44.51 | abrotman | systems: totally news to me .. and i've been using linux for a long time .. why do you ask ? |
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| 13:45.35 | systems | abrotman: well the qref i think is almost official, but i just couldnt swallow this part |
| 13:45.48 | systems | so i wanted a more trusty source |
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| 13:45.55 | systems | irc :) |
| 13:45.58 | abrotman | systems: it's probably not lying .. but the rest of the world hasn't caught on yet |
| 13:46.01 | antgel | systems: it's not perfect. there's ongoing work to write a new one for etch |
| 13:46.16 | abrotman | antgel: have you used the ip command extensively ? |
| 13:46.23 | systems | to replace even iproute |
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| 13:46.41 | OIbootNS | if i install ubuntu can i still come ask stuff in here ? |
| 13:46.48 | antgel | abrotman: barely at all. i tend to ignore the bleeding edge |
| 13:47.05 | abrotman | antgel: since kernel 2.2 :) |
| 13:47.07 | antgel | OIbootNS: yes, as long as it's debian-related |
| 13:47.09 | azeem | OIbootNS: no, there is #ubuntu |
| 13:47.11 | abrotman | Eulex: neither did i |
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| 13:47.27 | antgel | abrotman: i tend to notice things slowly |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | antgel: you're british |
| 13:47.59 | ronal__d | does anyone know when gnome 2.12 comes into unstable? |
| 13:48.04 | antgel | abrotman: watch it or i'm going to make you eat .us supermarmet food |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | ronal__d: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 13:48.17 | bluestrain | I'm attempting to install libapache-mod-fastcgi_2.4.2-6_i386.deb on my system. As root I'm running dpkg -i (pkg name). I get "unpacking", then "setting up" then a stop with no error. Running with debug says "D000001: deferred_configure updating conffiles" I'm new to dpkg, is that an error? If so, how do I resolve it? |
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| 13:48.26 | abrotman | antgel: i had some last night ... |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | i have a wicked craving for a burger though |
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| 13:48.48 | abrotman | and it's only 9am :) |
| 13:49.14 | OIbootNS | apt-get is much easyer then dpkg |
| 13:49.28 | abrotman | !tell OIbootNS about grounding |
| 13:49.53 | OIbootNS | ? |
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| 13:50.14 | azeem | ronal__d: AFAIK, they have been waiting for a fixed freetype in order to upload GTK+ |
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| 13:50.18 | antgel | bluestrain: you should probably use apt to install the package |
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| 13:50.44 | azeem | ronal__d: maybe some more transition need to finish first. In any case, AFAIK there is no hard ETA, it's "When the release managers allow it" I think |
| 13:50.50 | OIbootNS | abrotman, see i was right |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | OIbootNS: about what ? |
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| 13:51.21 | OIbootNS | apt-get is much easyer then dpkg |
| 13:51.35 | azeem | OIbootNS: that's not exactly secret knowledge |
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| 13:51.41 | abrotman | OIbootNS: apt-get is a front end to dpkg .. that's not an apples to apples comparison |
| 13:52.18 | antgel | OIbootNS: a troll is much less useful than debian |
| 13:52.25 | bluestrain | apt-get says....Invalid operation libapache-mod-fastcgi_2.4.2-6_i386.deb |
| 13:52.39 | bluestrain | which is debian for "you have no clue" |
| 13:52.49 | antgel | bluestrain: what debian release are you using? did you download the package manually? |
| 13:53.17 | azeem | bluestrain: read the apt-get manpage |
| 13:53.31 | bluestrain | sarge, yes, It's in non-free and I don't know how to tell synaptic or aptitude how to find non-free |
| 13:53.31 | azeem | bluestrain: it's apt-get install libapache-mod-fastcgi, not apt-get libapache-mod-fastcgi_2.4.2-6_i386.deb |
| 13:53.38 | elephantMan | Is there a way to find '.vimrc' templates for webmasters ? |
| 13:53.41 | azeem | bluestrain: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:53.43 | antgel | !tell bluestrain about non-free |
| 13:53.50 | bluestrain | ah ha! |
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| 13:53.58 | tzafrir_home | elephantMan, start at http://vim.org/ |
| 13:54.04 | eheil | Hey Debian is the most usable distros out of the bunch. |
| 13:54.14 | tzafrir_home | generally, look for relevant plugins and such |
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| 13:54.37 | eheil | I've used FC3 and slackware, ut one thing about Debian that put it in a class of its wn is its pkg management system. |
| 13:54.51 | eheil | its second to none. |
| 13:54.55 | mymayer | abrotman: can you help me a bit setting up NFS on my debian server, for mounting them on other linux systems ? |
| 13:54.58 | OIbootNS | why are non-free packages called non-free ? has their really free just not open sourced or gnu ! |
| 13:55.01 | azeem | eheil: glad you like it |
| 13:55.08 | eheil | license restrictions. |
| 13:55.11 | OIbootNS | or gpled |
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| 13:55.28 | eheil | they don't conform to the DFSG |
| 13:55.32 | Eulex | OIbootNS, they aren't dfsg-free, that's why they're called non-free |
| 13:55.32 | OIbootNS | still theyr free |
| 13:55.36 | tzafrir_home | OIbootNS, for an obvious reason: they reside in a repository called "non-free". |
| 13:55.40 | azeem | OIbootNS: non-free packages are things Debian can distribute, but which do not fulfill the basic Software Freedoms |
| 13:55.48 | Eulex | !dfsg |
| 13:55.48 | OIbootNS | dfsg-free ? |
| 13:55.48 | dpkg | methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 13:55.54 | vinyl- | hi there. i am using netapplet to switch between wireless (and wired) network profiles. but as the signal strength seems to be reported differently by some drivers (in my case prism54), it is not displayed correctly. does anyone have a hint on how to fix this? |
| 13:55.59 | asuffield | OIbootNS: they could be anything. the only thing they all have in common is that they can go on the Debian mirrors |
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| 13:56.06 | abrotman | mymayer: it's been a while since i've done NFS .. but iirc .. setting up the share is pretty straight forward |
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| 13:56.11 | azeem | vinyl-: did you check for bugs? |
| 13:56.16 | abrotman | !nfs |
| 13:56.16 | dpkg | from memory, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 13:56.19 | azeem | vinyl-: might be a kernel/driver issue |
| 13:56.26 | OIbootNS | is debian related to FSF ? |
| 13:56.30 | asuffield | just about anything else can and has happened, including packages which can't be put onto Debian CDs and which you have to pay for commercial use |
| 13:56.50 | antgel | OIbootNS: not directly although it uses gnu software |
| 13:56.51 | azeem | OIbootNS: not more than to any other FLOSS project/organization |
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| 13:57.13 | Esaj | how do I copy the partition table from one drive to another? |
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| 13:57.19 | OIbootNS | freeBSD seem to be FSF thing |
| 13:57.26 | eheil | Hey anone of you know what happened to the mp3-encoder and gnu-standards packages in Ech? |
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| 13:57.28 | valdyn_ | OIbootNS: no |
| 13:57.36 | abrotman | FSVO free :) |
| 13:57.42 | schurro | hi folks |
| 13:57.43 | vinyl- | azeem: not really. it's just that some drivers report absolute values, others (like prism54) report percentages, others report completely different stuff. all wireless tools have problems with that. |
| 13:57.48 | OIbootNS | FSVO ? |
| 13:57.48 | antgel | !why is gnu-standards not in testing |
| 13:57.49 | dpkg | gnu-standards is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnu-standards |
| 13:58.03 | azeem | !wtf FSVO |
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| 13:58.05 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 13:58.07 | azeem | bah |
| 13:58.16 | asuffield | Esaj: something with sfdisk -d, but it might not be possible |
| 13:58.19 | tzafrir_home | Esaj, the partition table is the first 512 bytes. So dd if=/dev/first of=/dev/second bs=512 count=1 should do. Basically |
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| 13:58.28 | azeem | !FSVO |
| 13:58.29 | dpkg | from memory, fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
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| 13:58.39 | Eulex | eheil, gnu-standards is there. mp3-encoder is nowhere in debian. |
| 13:58.44 | abrotman | azeem: depends on your definition of 'free' |
| 13:58.53 | asuffield | dd works if the two drives are *precisely* identical. sfdisk works if they're *almost* identical. otherwise it generally can't be done |
| 13:58.57 | OIbootNS | azeem, that was really intertaining but whats it means ? |
| 13:59.17 | azeem | mp3-encoder is a virtual package |
| 13:59.28 | tzafrir_home | Esaj, hmmm, in my first advice, only the main partition table was copied. It will work only if there are no logical partitions. |
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| 13:59.40 | OIbootNS | virtual package ? |
| 13:59.56 | valdyn_ | !virtual package |
| 13:59.56 | dpkg | it has been said that virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
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| 14:00.20 | Eulex | azeem, mp3-encoder is non-existant |
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| 14:00.58 | azeem | Eulex: oh, encoder. Well, there are no MP3 encoders in Debian |
| 14:01.02 | schurro | does anyone know when freetype 2.1.10 will be relased into testing? it's been 160+ days.... :-( |
| 14:01.04 | valdyn_ | OIbootNS: iows, virtual package is a function that real packages can provide |
| 14:01.06 | azeem | Eulex: due to patent issues |
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| 14:01.15 | Eulex | azeem, yep |
| 14:01.16 | eheil | Wow, thanks guys. I was thinking of using lame to satisfy mp3-encoder. |
| 14:01.31 | antgel | eheil: you need to consider .ogg |
| 14:01.32 | OIbootNS | i think i got the idea |
| 14:02.00 | Eulex | schurro, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=freetype |
| 14:02.01 | asuffield | LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder |
| 14:02.05 | OIbootNS | why all the mp3 success ogg seems to be just has good |
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| 14:02.18 | eheil | yeah, OGG is what I normally use. The only reason why I was talkinga bout mp3-encoder b/c a pkg suggested it. |
| 14:02.24 | eheil | OGG is much better than MP3. |
| 14:02.32 | antgel | OIbootNS: mp3 came first. ogg is better to my ears |
| 14:02.33 | OIbootNS | why is it better ? |
| 14:02.41 | eheil | high bitrates and also a lot of features--they don't have to include just audio BTW. |
| 14:02.41 | OIbootNS | ok |
| 14:02.43 | blondie | better compression |
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| 14:03.00 | OIbootNS | what else can they include ? |
| 14:03.03 | Eulex | schurro, in short, it has 6 release-critical bugs. |
| 14:03.08 | antgel | OIbootNS: www.vorbis.org |
| 14:03.28 | eheil | aptitude install vorbis-tools |
| 14:03.45 | schurro | Eulex: fine, then but if it is freeze mode, then they ain't gonna get fixed in there? arent't they? |
| 14:04.26 | azeem | schurro: freetype will get fixed |
| 14:04.29 | OIbootNS | witch lossless codec is better ? |
| 14:04.32 | antgel | schurro: what's freeze mode? |
| 14:04.33 | OIbootNS | FLAC ? |
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| 14:04.52 | Eulex | OIbootNS, it's a container format. ogg is the container format, vorbis is the audio compression format. |
| 14:04.52 | eheil | hey anyone know where I can get mplayer pkgs? |
| 14:04.53 | schurro | azeem: yeha o.k. thanks alot. when hell freezes over? <pun intended> |
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| 14:05.04 | azeem | schurro: uhm, no |
| 14:05.05 | antgel | !tell eheil about marillat |
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| 14:05.22 | azeem | schurro: freetype is one of the most broken and blocking packages in Debian right now, so it'll get fixed soon. |
| 14:05.41 | schurro | azeem: thanks, i keep my fingers crossed then :-) |
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| 14:06.08 | abrotman | azeem: you forgot KDE! :) |
| 14:06.42 | azeem | abrotman: I try to keep my opinion about that to my own :) |
| 14:06.53 | abrotman | azeem: oh come on .. share! |
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| 14:07.28 | azeem | actually, I haven't used it more than a couple of minutes since the 90s, so I can't comment on it anyway |
| 14:07.29 | schurro | KDE, isn't 3.4 kinda recent? |
| 14:07.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:08.01 | abrotman | i thikn maybe 3.5 is out .. but i'm not actually certain |
| 14:08.17 | OIbootNS | 3.5 beta is out for grabs |
| 14:08.29 | mymayer | abrotman: i have nfs-kernel-server installed. What do i need to configure it ? is there a gui, or just config wise ? |
| 14:08.29 | abrotman | ah see ... |
| 14:08.29 | OIbootNS | kde shpuld be non-free |
| 14:08.34 | kombi | somebody remember the command to delete the queue in postfix? |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | leave it to the troll to know about KDE :) |
| 14:08.41 | abrotman | !nfs |
| 14:08.42 | dpkg | nfs is, like, Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
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| 14:08.57 | abrotman | mymayer: the NFS howto covers pretty much everything iirc |
| 14:09.19 | mymayer | howto ? |
| 14:09.24 | abrotman | tldp.org |
| 14:09.25 | mymayer | sorry, is it on my system ? |
| 14:09.33 | antgel | mymayer: how do we know what's on your system? |
| 14:09.40 | mymayer | :) |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | antgel: he said it was a debian server and kubuntu client |
| 14:10.03 | mymayer | abrotman: thank you |
| 14:10.05 | OIbootNS | kde shpould be non-free QT isnt open sourced |
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| 14:10.16 | OIbootNS | or is proprietary |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | Qt is (sadly) GPLed |
| 14:10.29 | antgel | OIbootNS: the beatles have split up |
| 14:10.32 | OIbootNS | why sadlly ? |
| 14:10.33 | caphuso | oh, yeah, the GPL is _very_ propriery |
| 14:10.44 | caphuso | proprietary too |
| 14:11.00 | stew | kombi: man postsuper |
| 14:11.08 | shay | propriery > propietary |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | the harmony project should have continued |
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| 14:11.30 | antgel | abrotman: good point. thanks |
| 14:11.42 | OIbootNS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.46 | abrotman | !harmony |
| 14:11.46 | dpkg | harmony is, like, (REPLY) an attempted to create a GPL'd implementation of the QT widget set. |
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| 14:11.55 | azeem | hehe |
| 14:12.10 | OIbootNS | i thought it was rubbers |
| 14:12.13 | kombi | stew: thanks! |
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| 14:13.07 | stewpid | whats the chmod so users can enter dir and read but not delete files |
| 14:13.08 | stewpid | so read only |
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| 14:13.18 | ionte | hi. i need some help: i'm packaging a shared library (my first) and i can't get the lib*.so files to be included in the deb. |
| 14:13.31 | stew | !wikifaq stewpid Permissions |
| 14:13.31 | caphuso | stewpid: just don't make that directory writable |
| 14:13.32 | dpkg | stewpid: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:14.55 | tpr | if I get an error compiling my newly configured kernel - should I just try again, someone told me it could still go through |
| 14:14.59 | stewpid | chmod -w |
| 14:15.00 | stewpid | :) |
| 14:15.01 | stewpid | thx |
| 14:15.17 | stew | ionte: are you creating multiple binary packages from the same source? like a libfoo and a libfoo-dev and/or a foo? |
| 14:15.17 | antgel | tpr: doubt it |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for completing an ITP! |
| 14:15.28 | abrotman | antgel: i have one for you .. though it might require a bit of work |
| 14:15.47 | tpr | antgel: i might have a memory issue with it though, could this affect the situation, and give weird errors from time to time? |
| 14:15.50 | antgel | abrotman: do tell |
| 14:15.52 | ionte | stew, yep |
| 14:15.56 | antgel | tpr: why not have a go? |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | antgel: synfig! |
| 14:16.15 | OIbootNS | is java in debian ? |
| 14:16.21 | tpr | antgel: drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x6ed7c): In function `wol_calc_crc': and : undefined reference to `crc_ccitt' are what ends my compile :f |
| 14:16.26 | abrotman | !tell OIbootNS about install debian |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | !tell OIbootNS about install java |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | duh |
| 14:16.37 | stew | ionte: are the .so files ending up in the debian/tmp directory but not getting copied from there into the debian/libfoo directory? |
| 14:16.41 | antgel | abrotman: i didn't complete the ITPs. one upstream died. one works only with psql pre-sarge versions! |
| 14:16.48 | ionte | stew, yep! |
| 14:16.48 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:16.57 | abrotman | antgel: netbrake should be simple |
| 14:17.03 | abrotman | antgel: synfig would be very hard |
| 14:17.14 | antgel | tpr: great. have another go. that way you'll see for yourself |
| 14:17.16 | abrotman | as it doesn't even compile on gcc4 last i tried :) |
| 14:17.23 | tpr | antgel: okey :) |
| 14:17.32 | antgel | abrotman: i'll go and have a look |
| 14:17.40 | abrotman | antgel: at which ? |
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| 14:17.48 | antgel | abrotman: both. thanks |
| 14:17.56 | zOap | Do I need to add testing and unstable to atpsources to use -t testin -t unstable? |
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| 14:18.09 | abrotman | antgel: synfig is already WO .. not sure where netbrake is |
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| 14:18.17 | antgel | zOap: please don't hose your system |
| 14:18.29 | stew | ionte: you can list the files in debian/libfoo.install and they will be copied when you run dh_install (iirc) |
| 14:18.36 | zOap | antgel, I want kernel image for 2.6.12 |
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| 14:18.37 | tpr | antgel: ran it a few times, no affect - it comes in quite the beginning :( |
| 14:18.38 | abrotman | blondie: please don't .. i'm optmized for lazy |
| 14:18.44 | blondie | aww |
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| 14:18.56 | abrotman | hrm .. breakfast .. or shower ... |
| 14:18.56 | antgel | tpr: do you need to compile a kernel? |
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| 14:19.18 | tpr | antgel: yeah I do :) |
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| 14:19.28 | antgel | tpr: why? |
| 14:19.32 | stew | ionte: you can also copy them by hand from one tree to the other during the install: target of debian/rules |
| 14:19.33 | ionte | stew, my libfoo.install has this content: "usr/lib/lib*.so" (the .so file is called libcomlib.so). but it is not copied. |
| 14:19.59 | tpr | antgel: because the kernel I have does not have support for things I need, and I want to upgrade to 2.6 anyway |
| 14:20.18 | tpr | antgel: what does it matter why I need to, Im learning here its an essential step of using linux aint it. |
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| 14:20.39 | ionte | stew, and dh_install with --list-missing complains that there are files in tmp not copied to target |
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| 14:20.52 | antgel | tpr: 2.6 is in debian. what do you have now? no, compiling a kernel is far from an essential step of using linux. it matters because we can save your time and ours |
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| 14:20.56 | stew | ionte: and you are definately running dh_install, right? |
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| 14:21.18 | stew | ionte: you may wanna ask in #debian-mentors |
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| 14:21.52 | ionte | stew, yes, from the rules files. i just tested to call it by hand, same result.. |
| 14:22.04 | ionte | stew, ok, will try |
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| 14:22.14 | tpr | antgel: I have 2.4, and imo it is something I need to learn to do, if the error is something you dont recognize, its no problem I can always google for it in more depth :) in fact there is one list that refers to an older version of gcc to be used with 2.6.8 kernel source |
| 14:22.36 | ionte | stew, thanks anyways... |
| 14:23.08 | antgel | tpr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8 (in sarge). then install the appropriate one |
| 14:23.40 | tpr | antgel: I did, but I still wish to configure a fresh kernel, anyway thanks for your help I shall investigate further! |
| 14:24.32 | antgel | tpr: the kernel-source in sarge should compile with the sarge gcc |
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| 14:24.55 | ViViD | whats a good tv tuner card program to use? |
| 14:25.32 | mymayer | abrotman: mount 192.168.178.28 /storage /mnt what coul be wrong ? |
| 14:25.42 | abrotman | no type ? |
| 14:25.47 | mymayer | abrotman: server is up, now its up to the client |
| 14:25.57 | mymayer | hmm, there is non in the howto |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | mymayer: did you actually read the howto ? |
| 14:26.06 | tpr | antgel: would think so yeah, ubt something obviously is wrong here :) |
| 14:26.10 | mymayer | iam actually looking at it abrotman yes |
| 14:26.30 | mymayer | abrotman: # mount master.foo.com:/home /mnt/home thats in the howto |
| 14:26.39 | abrotman | mymayer: oh .. you did it wrong |
| 14:26.42 | antgel | tpr: are you using debian-packaged source? make-kpkg? |
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| 14:26.50 | abrotman | mymayer: mount 192.168.178.28:/storage /mnt |
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| 14:27.04 | mymayer | abrotman: iam trying |
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| 14:27.06 | abrotman | mymayer: you need that colon thingie |
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| 14:27.35 | tpr | antgel: yes |
| 14:27.39 | mymayer | abrotman: thank you it worked. Now its only up the the permission thingy. Thank you |
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| 14:27.45 | warsaw | I have a little problem with an usb hd....it contains /usr, but I cannot get it mounted at boot (I can after having logged in), so that most services wich should be run at boot fail... |
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| 14:27.50 | abrotman | mymayer: enjoy |
| 14:27.50 | shakur\forever | hi, is there a way to create a symbolic link without using the ln -s ? (I fucked up my libc only bash is available) |
| 14:28.08 | tpr | antgel: im using make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2:myhostname kernel_image |
| 14:28.18 | antgel | tpr: make-kpkg clean? how's your hardware? it could be memory etc |
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| 14:28.36 | dabreegster | Hey, I'm trying to basically upgrade libc6 on my Sarge system and it's also going to upgrade e2fsprogs (Because I think my /boot partition is ext2, the rest are ext3). Apt warned me that "This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option." |
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| 14:28.56 | dabreegster | If I understand this right, temporarily removing this will render my system unbootable since fsck might not be able to run on ext2 |
| 14:29.00 | tpr | antgel: that is what i suspect, a memory module is acting up, I did run make-kpkg clean prior to making the kernel |
| 14:29.07 | dabreegster | Should I go ahead? Is there any other way to upgrade libc6? |
| 14:29.07 | markit | hi :) I've errors when upgrading sid to udev_0.076-1_i386.deb |
| 14:29.12 | antgel | tpr: run memtest86 |
| 14:29.17 | markit | mv: target `/dev/.udev/db/' is not a directory: No such file or directory |
| 14:29.25 | markit | any clue? |
| 14:29.27 | nkuttler | dabreegster: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
| 14:29.31 | antgel | markit: unstable by name, unstable by nature |
| 14:29.33 | dabreegster | nkuttler: OK, thanks |
| 14:29.56 | ClayG | What is a program that can convert an .mpg(already in dvd format a+v) into a dvd and structure it so as well |
| 14:29.59 | markit | antgel: hehehe, but often there is a solution |
| 14:30.11 | elephantMan | What 'route' do i have to add on my server for packets asked from localmachines goto them ? |
| 14:30.26 | antgel | markit: indeed. several. check the bts. use stable. |
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| 14:30.54 | markit | antgel: "use stable" is not a solution, since I want sid |
| 14:30.56 | antgel | elephantMan: please ask a question using computing terms |
| 14:31.07 | mymayer | abrotman: sorry that i ask again, but it seems not to be in the howto. I need to login somehow, or is it just "ip" bases ? |
| 14:31.07 | antgel | markit: fine. well you've got sid |
| 14:31.12 | elephantMan | My server has 2 eth - One connected to internet (it works) & one connected to localnet (i can ping localnet) - The problem is that localnet can ping server but can't ping domain names |
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| 14:31.31 | elephantMan | antgel, :\ ok |
| 14:31.42 | antgel | elephantMan: fix your dns. turn ip forwarding on |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | mymayer: login ? |
| 14:32.02 | antgel | elephantMan: if you are using nat, turn on ip masq |
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| 14:32.24 | antgel | mymayer: the user permissions are in the exports file |
| 14:32.25 | elephantMan | antgel, ok but how do i do that ? |
| 14:32.32 | antgel | elephantMan: you read the documentation |
| 14:32.40 | elephantMan | antgel, with the 'iptables...'command ? |
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| 14:32.58 | jfa | hi, someone got dri runing with a savage ? |
| 14:33.10 | antgel | !tell elephantMan about masq |
| 14:33.13 | mymayer | antgel: but ive there only IPs, do i ? i` ll check antgel |
| 14:33.21 | mymayer | maybe i just missunderstood |
| 14:33.24 | antgel | jfa: possibly |
| 14:33.26 | dabreegster | The bug report about upgrading e2fsprogs was illuminating, but didn't help much. I've always ran a purely testing distro, never integrating woody or sid packages. Is it safe enough to just let it temporarily remove e2fsprogs so it can be updated? |
| 14:33.28 | antgel | mymayer: man exports |
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| 14:33.35 | jfa | i am tring, but i get errors ... in 2d mode :-m |
| 14:33.46 | jfa | antgel: possibly ?? |
| 14:33.52 | elephantMan | all this pain to get a machine on internet |
| 14:34.08 | elephantMan | do i have to learn some mathematics too ? |
| 14:34.17 | antgel | elephantMan: all this having to learn things is such a pain |
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| 14:34.42 | antgel | elephantMan: only if you wish to solve mathematical problems |
| 14:34.43 | mymayer | antgel: thats the example in the howto : /home 192.168.0.1(rw) 192.168.0.2(rw) |
| 14:34.56 | elephantMan | antgel, :p ok thanx |
| 14:35.02 | mymayer | antgel: there is no user, sorry. where to set it up ? |
| 14:35.52 | antgel | mymayer: i told you already. man exports. |
| 14:36.28 | bluestrain | meh |
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| 14:36.52 | antgel | mymayer: for the record, /etc/exports on our server contains /home *(rw,sync). very complicated stuff |
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| 14:38.34 | elephantMan | f***k can't they make things all automatic !? Every 3years when i got a new system i have to go over this network setup again |
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| 14:38.42 | zeeky | hello |
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| 14:38.53 | antgel | elephantMan: if you pay us, we'll come and do it for you |
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| 14:39.26 | bam_ | yup, we charge, err ummm 150.00(usd) per hour |
| 14:39.33 | zeeky | hey dose anyone know how to make a rpm a deb? |
| 14:39.40 | antgel | zeeky: man alien |
| 14:39.42 | bam_ | alien? |
| 14:39.55 | zeeky | ok |
| 14:40.19 | mymayer | antgel: i found the problem, as i tried to mount as root and then getting the nobody iud. but i dont get the syntax to set up a specific uid, when some specific users connects |
| 14:40.19 | Eulex | zeeky, is it really necessary to do that? |
| 14:40.28 | zeeky | do what? |
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| 14:40.57 | Eulex | zeeky, can't you for example compile from source instead? running stuff compiled for another distro is risky |
| 14:41.08 | zeeky | eh? |
| 14:41.11 | zeeky | me=n00b |
| 14:41.18 | blondie | mymayer: the users on each machine must have the same UIDs |
| 14:41.28 | zeeky | just got mepis to work |
| 14:41.47 | zeeky | lol |
| 14:41.49 | bluestrain | thought this was #debian |
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| 14:41.51 | Eulex | !mepis |
| 14:41.51 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 14:42.09 | mymayer | blondie: there is the nouid and noguid option |
| 14:42.13 | zeeky | lol |
| 14:42.14 | zeeky | ok |
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| 14:45.32 | lord_rob | !kanotix |
| 14:45.32 | dpkg | i heard kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
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| 14:46.19 | dabreegster | YES! Just made it through my first libc6/e2fsprogs upgrade alive! |
| 14:46.34 | Eulex | !beer dabreegster |
| 14:47.07 | dabreegster | If something freakish such as a power outage had occured, I'd be in trouble. |
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| 14:48.38 | lord_rob | right, I got in trouble when such an event occured. But I was doing nothing as root, nothng special actually, just a disk write |
| 14:49.26 | antgel | abrotman: netbrake is abandoned as of 0.2. i'm not sure that debian needs such projects. i can't become upstream |
| 14:49.29 | dabreegster | apt's been broken for ages since I've neglected to properly upgrade libc6, but now all my troubles are banished! |
| 14:50.21 | Eulex | dabreegster, hehe, if you're that worried, you should get a ups :) |
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| 14:50.53 | dabreegster | Eulex: I'm not worried about power outages (Not around here at the moment), but mainly that apt would break somehow in the middle of upgrading a vital package |
| 14:51.08 | mymayer | how to get a users uid/guid from the console ? |
| 14:51.18 | marculix | id |
| 14:51.19 | POVaddct | mymayer: id |
| 14:51.33 | azeem | mymayer: or getent passwd | grep <user>, if you want another user than your won |
| 14:51.37 | azeem | eh s/won/own/ |
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| 14:51.55 | marculix | id <user> ;-) |
| 14:51.59 | mymayer | than kyou |
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| 14:52.04 | azeem | ah :) |
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| 14:56.00 | mymayer | what wrong in this /etc/exports line : /home/storage 192.168.178.25(rw sync) anonuid 1000 |
| 14:56.58 | POVaddct | mymayer: put a comma between rw and sync |
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| 14:57.24 | abrotman | antgel: the 0.2 compiles fine and works perfectly |
| 14:57.26 | CAiRO | how can i adjust my system time without rebooting? |
| 14:57.33 | abrotman | hwclock ? |
| 14:57.45 | eheil | is your hW clock on UTC? |
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| 14:58.02 | abrotman | mymayer: get it figured out ? |
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| 14:58.55 | tarzeau | has someone got a gtk1 application where its gui controls show utf-8? can gtk1 do that even? |
| 14:58.55 | mymayer | abrotman: no i somehow cannot connect |
| 14:59.05 | mymayer | i did the follwong abrotman : /home/storage 192.168.178.25(rw sync) anonuid 1000 |
| 14:59.09 | mymayer | i did the follwong abrotman : /home/storage 192.168.178.25(rw,sync) anonuid 1000 |
| 14:59.21 | abrotman | following what where? |
| 14:59.40 | mymayer | to set the uid, cause if i mount the NFS with root in the clinet, he gets the anoid id automatically(cause of sec reasons) |
| 14:59.52 | abrotman | mymayer: and TBH .. that's on your Kubuntu client .. for all i know .. they haven't even packaged that correctly |
| 15:00.15 | mymayer | the client is surely my kubuntu desktop, the server not |
| 15:00.26 | eheil | kbuntu? Heard of that dostro. I know tis based on dpkg, but that's it. Anything good about it? |
| 15:00.29 | mymayer | but i think that are "linux" basic, or ? |
| 15:00.38 | abrotman | eheil: it's a derivative of Ubuntu |
| 15:00.41 | mymayer | eheil: its like debian in 90% |
| 15:00.47 | mymayer | same configuration etc.. |
| 15:00.57 | mymayer | same liek aptitude, apt-get and stuff |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | mymayer: regardless .. your questions about setting up your client belong in #kubuntu |
| 15:01.13 | antgel | abrotman: it may well do, but given that there's no upstream, who's going to fix bugs? have you seen the known problems in the README? it is basically a hack, it doesn't work with multithreaded apps, and the http filesystem is experimental. but you're telling me that you find the quality good. have you tested it much? |
| 15:01.20 | mymayer | abrotman: its the syntax, not the setting up |
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| 15:01.55 | mymayer | abrotman: its not a package problem, i think it relies to the server, somehow he refuses the connection |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | antgel: enough that i used it with apt-get when i was on dial up .. but you're right .. that was a long time ago .. and trickle does exist in debian |
| 15:02.41 | mymayer | abrotman: thats what i get when i try to connect : mount: 192.168.178.28:/storage failed, reason given by server: Keine Berechtigung ( no permission) |
| 15:02.56 | abrotman | mymayer: man exports ? |
| 15:03.00 | abrotman | err man export |
| 15:03.04 | abrotman | well .. both probably |
| 15:03.12 | antgel | abrotman: i'll take a look at synfig |
| 15:03.14 | mymayer | man exports :) i did |
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| 15:03.27 | mymayer | thats why i did that anoid 1000 |
| 15:03.31 | mymayer | didnt worked.. |
| 15:03.42 | antgel | mymayer: if you can't mount it, the logs will tell why |
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| 15:03.53 | abrotman | antgel: someone already has ITPed it .. but last i checked .. not gcc4 clean .. so it might require submitting a patch upstream |
| 15:03.56 | mymayer | which log antgel , server or vlient ? |
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| 15:04.44 | riot | hi. I've got problems with ati's fglrx since the last update on sid. I can't switch from mesa back to fglrx. Also, alien complains that ati's rpm has unconverted scripts. |
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| 15:05.34 | antgel | abrotman: in that case, it's back to the RFP list :) |
| 15:05.38 | antgel | mymayer: server |
| 15:05.41 | abrotman | antgel: darn you! |
| 15:05.59 | mymayer | abrotman, antgel : i get the refuse even if i try to mount the dir on the server itself like mount 192.168.178.28:/home/storage /mnt/test/ |
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| 15:06.07 | CAiRO | i'm doing 'hwclock --set --date "11/26/2005 16:05:00"' and it doesn't report an error, but afterwards, the time and date is still the same when checked with 'date' |
| 15:06.17 | mymayer | sorry i cant help myself :/ |
| 15:06.18 | abrotman | CAiRO: two different things |
| 15:06.31 | abrotman | mymayer: i think you need to reread the HOWTO |
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| 15:06.56 | CAiRO | abrotman: how do i query the time that i've set with hwclock? and how do i set the time that i see with the 'date' command? |
| 15:07.00 | antgel | riot: it's a heady brew of an unstable release and a non-free driver |
| 15:07.15 | eheil | ntpdate will set the clock. |
| 15:07.22 | wau | good morning all |
| 15:07.42 | wau | I am trying to install a nic card on my system |
| 15:08.03 | abrotman | CAiRO: ntp ? |
| 15:08.08 | wau | when I installed debian the wasn't an internet connection |
| 15:08.28 | CAiRO | abrotman: is that the answer on the first or second question? |
| 15:08.33 | wau | actually no card |
| 15:08.45 | abrotman | CAiRO: possibly both |
| 15:08.48 | wau | now I've plugged the nic card in |
| 15:08.59 | wau | and debian doesn't seem to recognize it |
| 15:09.07 | azeem | wau: did you check the kernel logs? |
| 15:09.17 | CAiRO | abrotman: i'm already running chronyd, but it fails with 'Can\'t synchronise: no selectable sources'.. whatever that means |
| 15:09.21 | azeem | or better, does 'dmesg | grep eth' yield something? |
| 15:09.25 | wau | no |
| 15:09.26 | antgel | wau: modprobe the module? |
| 15:09.30 | abrotman | CAiRO: i have no idea what chronyd is |
| 15:09.34 | wau | i'm new so i'm nopt sure how |
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| 15:10.02 | wau | i suspect that i have to install the driver manually? |
| 15:10.11 | riot | antgel: yes, too true. but it worked until last update yesterday |
| 15:10.37 | azeem | wau: did you check dmesg? |
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| 15:10.59 | wau | no, just type dmesg? |
| 15:11.03 | eheil | Hey they actually did a good job at partioning schemes in the Sarge installer. |
| 15:11.08 | eheil | partitioning |
| 15:11.11 | azeem | wau: 16:04 < azeem> or better, does 'dmesg | grep eth' yield something? |
| 15:11.14 | riot | duh, someone right now tells me, he's installing debian solely from floppy.. i ask "how many floppies do you have? 500-1000?" |
| 15:11.20 | mymayer | dpkg-reconfigure network <- what is the right command ? |
| 15:11.23 | dabreegster | eheil: Is there an option to use cfdisk yet? |
| 15:11.29 | azeem | mymayer: there is none |
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| 15:11.37 | eheil | You don't need an option. |
| 15:11.40 | azeem | mymayer: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:11.56 | wau | yes |
| 15:12.02 | eheil | You can just execute a shell within another console and just run cfdisk from there. |
| 15:12.15 | dabreegster | eheil: cfdisk wouldn't launch |
| 15:12.16 | wau | do you want to know what is says? |
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| 15:12.25 | azeem | wau: is it more than one or two lines? |
| 15:12.25 | dabreegster | eheil: Don't remember the error, it was a year ago |
| 15:12.35 | eheil | Well ok, what about fdisk? |
| 15:12.38 | wau | two lines. |
| 15:12.41 | eheil | cfdisk isn't necissary. |
| 15:12.44 | azeem | wau: that should be fine |
| 15:12.54 | dabreegster | eheil: Didn't try it, it was ages ago. But OK. |
| 15:13.02 | eheil | hey at least you don't have to use disk druid like on RH machines. |
| 15:13.12 | dabreegster | Heh |
| 15:13.14 | wau | meaning that debian recognizes the nic card |
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| 15:13.38 | azeem | wau: try 'ifconfig eth0' as root next, does that show some useful output? |
| 15:13.38 | eheil | I love Debian. |
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| 15:13.41 | riot | WTF.. he's trying to install using just 2 or 3 floppy disks.. like erasing them after one diskful is complete and putting on the next required packages.. |
| 15:13.42 | resiak | Network Interface Card Card? |
| 15:13.42 | azeem | like a HW addr? |
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| 15:14.03 | wau | hold on I hav eot log in as root |
| 15:14.18 | azeem | wau: wait, you can do it via /sbin/ifconfig eth0 as well |
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| 15:16.38 | wau | ok |
| 15:16.47 | dabreegster | Hmm, if I've written a program for my own personal use that I find people could use as well, but don't actually have the time to become a maintainer or officially submit it, what's the best way to get it out quickly? |
| 15:16.52 | wau | logged in |
| 15:16.59 | ketaset | is there a dpkg command to query which packages depend on a particular package? |
| 15:17.08 | azeem | dabreegster: as a debian package? |
| 15:17.14 | abrotman | apt-cache depends <pkg> |
| 15:17.18 | ketaset | thanks |
| 15:17.19 | maxweber | dabreegster: sf.net? |
| 15:17.19 | dabreegster | azeem: Yeah |
| 15:17.39 | wau | yes ifconfige eth0 yields output |
| 15:17.41 | azeem | dabreegster: you could file a 'Request for Packaging' (RFP) bug against WNPP |
| 15:17.49 | maxweber | ah.. |
| 15:17.55 | dabreegster | azeem: OK |
| 15:18.01 | azeem | dabreegster: reportbug helps with that, but probably see www.debian.org/devel/wnpp first for instructions |
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| 15:18.08 | azeem | wau: ok, so your card is detected |
| 15:18.12 | azeem | wau: it just needs configuration |
| 15:18.21 | antgel | dabreegster: i'm looking for a RFP. what does your app do? |
| 15:18.25 | dabreegster | azeem: OK, thanks |
| 15:18.26 | azeem | wau: do you have a static IP or DHCP? |
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| 15:18.42 | nar | Hi. I am getting MTU problems with Debian 2.4 kernel. If I set the MTU of the external internet interface to 1400 I do not recieve packets of 1500. Is that expected? |
| 15:18.47 | antgel | i was about to take on the orphaned wmtz |
| 15:18.57 | dabreegster | azeem: It basically is an MP3 playing daemon like mpd, except instead of a single music queue, it manages multiple |
| 15:18.57 | wau | I dont know what either static Ip or DHCP is |
| 15:19.01 | LFC | hey... I have questions about the debian linux.... can anyone help me? |
| 15:19.03 | wau | but I'd like to? |
| 15:19.05 | LFC | hey... I have questions about the debian linux.... can anyone help me? |
| 15:19.18 | azeem | wau: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 15:19.19 | antgel | LFC: if you stop repeating, most probably |
| 15:19.32 | dabreegster | azeem: The advantages are nifty. If you're listening to a set of songs and suddenly decide to listen to a particular other song, you can play it, and have your old list resumed normally. |
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| 15:19.50 | wau | right now I'm on another machine |
| 15:19.55 | azeem | dabreegster: I think you meant to address antgel |
| 15:19.58 | riot | say, was knoppix built using dfsbuild or some similar process? |
| 15:20.05 | wau | I use comcast |
| 15:20.05 | Eulex | !knoppix |
| 15:20.06 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
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| 15:20.11 | azeem | wau: via a DSL router? |
| 15:20.14 | riot | Eulex: thanks. I _know_ that |
| 15:20.14 | dabreegster | azeem: Oops, probably. Sorry. |
| 15:20.19 | antgel | dabreegster: is it publically available? gpl? |
| 15:20.25 | dabreegster | antgel: Er, those two messages directed to azeem were for you. |
| 15:20.32 | antgel | dabreegster: *nod* |
| 15:20.34 | riot | Eulex: my question was concerned about dfsbuild |
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| 15:20.49 | dabreegster | antgel: Sure. I wrote it myself, it's in perl. |
| 15:20.51 | LFC | Ok... I have only tried one linux.... which is SuSe 10.0 ... This linux is very very easy to use. I wonder if the Debian is actually as good, if it has the same programs, and if everything is as easy than SuSe |
| 15:20.59 | wau | yes through a router |
| 15:21.07 | azeem | wau: so most probably DHCP then |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | LFC: chances are .. it has way more programs |
| 15:21.14 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 15:21.16 | dabreegster | antgel: It's stable enough, I use it every day. There are a few bugs I sitll need to iron out, but I could get that done quickly |
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| 15:21.20 | azeem | wau: what you need to do is edit (as root) the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:21.24 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 15:21.32 | antgel | dabreegster: does it plug into an existing media player? got a url for source? |
| 15:21.36 | azeem | wau: see the manual page (man interfaces) for how to do this when you have DHCP |
| 15:21.45 | Eulex | riot, no, you asked about if knoppix was built with dfsbuild. #knoppix is the right place to ask about how knoppix is created. |
| 15:21.51 | dabreegster | antgel: Yeah, it uses mpg321 in remote mode |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | LFC: and we all enjoy debian very much .. we think it's easy as pie! |
| 15:21.59 | dabreegster | antgel: I don't have a distrib of it at the moment, let me make one really quickly |
| 15:22.05 | antgel | dabreegster: fancy extending it to work with oggs? |
| 15:22.10 | riot | Eulex: substitute knoppix with "90% of all debian based live distros" |
| 15:22.24 | LFC | And on the web is says that I needs one 8MB of ram and a 386 CPU.... but what is actually a decent conf to run Debian? |
| 15:22.25 | dabreegster | antgel: Perhaps. I don't think ogg123 has a "remote mode" though |
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| 15:22.28 | riot | Eulex: but then again, the answer is pretty much trivial ;) |
| 15:22.33 | azeem | wau: adding 'eth0' to the auto line, and adding a line like 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' should suffice, I guess |
| 15:22.34 | sifi | how do I kill amsn? |
| 15:22.55 | wau | ok. is there any other literature that will help me understand what I am doing? |
| 15:22.58 | antgel | sifi: killall amsn |
| 15:23.04 | eheil | I'd love to know why Ubuntu took off so fast in terms of popularity. b/c I've used it, but I think it just plane old sucks. |
| 15:23.06 | wau | I checked the HOWTO |
| 15:23.31 | antgel | eheil: true quality requires time and effort to appreciate |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | eheil: plain |
| 15:23.52 | LFC | And on the web is says that I needs one 8MB of ram and a 386 CPU.... but what is actually a decent conf to run Debian? |
| 15:23.52 | sifi | antgel, killall amsn didn't work |
| 15:23.56 | abrotman | LFC: what are the specs on the system you're going to use for debian ? |
| 15:23.58 | azeem | wau: not sure. If you run e.g. GNOME, there is a nice graphical admin frontend to it |
| 15:24.02 | LFC | Ok... |
| 15:24.18 | LFC | It's a AMD II 400 128MB.... |
| 15:24.21 | abrotman | LFC: CPU/RAM/HDD .. |
| 15:24.28 | LFC | nowadays almost anything runs there... |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | k6-2 i assume you mean |
| 15:24.31 | eheil | And then tier's the distros taht use rpm--I really don't like rpm at all. Had a lot of broken systems |
| 15:24.33 | LFC | 20GB |
| 15:24.38 | antgel | sifi: maybe it hung. killall -9 amsn |
| 15:24.38 | Eulex | riot, any question about any live cd is pretty OT here, as there's no debian live-cd |
| 15:24.40 | resiak | LFC: I run Sarge on something like that. |
| 15:24.41 | LFC | yes... k6-2 |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | LFC: that should be fine .. KDE/Gnome might be a little heavy . but it all should work perfectly fine |
| 15:25.06 | abrotman | well .. gnome with 128MB isn't so bad |
| 15:25.16 | sifi | antgel, yes it has been hunged up, killall -9 amsn did not work either |
| 15:25.19 | abrotman | of course .. it's all relative |
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| 15:25.34 | wau | thank you for your help azzem |
| 15:25.34 | riot | Eulex: Did you ever look at dfsbuild? |
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| 15:25.39 | wau | azeem |
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| 15:25.40 | resiak | sifi: Check with pstree if amsn has any child processes, and try kiling them off? |
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| 15:25.45 | _sss | a |
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| 15:25.51 | LFC | Ok... now you guys will see that I know almost nothing about linux... what are the interfaces besides KDE and Gnome that I can use.. ( and wich one is the best out of them? ) |
| 15:26.00 | riot | Eulex: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/dfsbuild |
| 15:26.03 | azeem | wau: did you restart the network interface? Something like 'ifup eth0' as root should work |
| 15:26.07 | antgel | LFC: www.xwinman.org. /msg dpkg polls |
| 15:26.07 | riot | veery interesting package, that is |
| 15:26.15 | azeem | wau: after editing the interfaces file, of course |
| 15:26.18 | abrotman | LFC: xfce/blackbox/fluxbox/openbox .. quite a few .. |
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| 15:26.32 | abrotman | afterstep .. wmaker ... all kinds of fun! |
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| 15:26.48 | sifi | resiak, didn't find it on pstree |
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| 15:26.59 | LFC | which one ist the best one? the more stable one and easy to use |
| 15:27.09 | LFC | do they all come with Debian? |
| 15:27.12 | resiak | LFC: Try them all and see |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | LFC: they all come with debian |
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| 15:27.23 | abrotman | LFC: what do you use now with suse .. gnome or kde ? |
| 15:27.24 | antgel | !tell LFC about polls |
| 15:27.24 | LFC | Thank u... |
| 15:27.27 | aimtrainer | can any1 tell me the easiest way to set up a home ftp? |
| 15:27.29 | Eulex | riot, yes, but it's a program that creates a live cd, not a live cd |
| 15:27.33 | wau | Sorry azeem I started reading the manual |
| 15:27.34 | abrotman | !tell aimtrainer about any1 |
| 15:27.35 | elephantMan | antgel, thanx for your help |
| 15:27.35 | dabreegster | antgel: http://216.77.203.86/jmd.tar.gz |
| 15:27.39 | wau | where are you from? |
| 15:27.48 | antgel | aimtrainer: 1. speak properly. 2. install an ftp server |
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| 15:28.01 | riot | Eulex: lol! :) |
| 15:28.02 | aimtrainer | abrotman so i wrote 1 for one thats so fuckin silly |
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| 15:28.09 | antgel | dabreegster: got it |
| 15:28.11 | aimtrainer | ouhh thx |
| 15:28.14 | LFC | Thank u once again people... |
| 15:28.16 | LFC | bye. |
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| 15:28.36 | dabreegster | antgel: The 'multiple queue' thing might not be very understandable, but it's very useful |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | aimtrainer: see .. i'm not the only one |
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| 15:28.49 | aimtrainer | i dont care |
| 15:28.57 | abrotman | we do |
| 15:29.04 | aimtrainer | doesnt make YOU any better |
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| 15:29.14 | abrotman | just makes you look like a total fucking idiot |
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| 15:29.24 | A_v_D | Hi there, I have some sound issues with my mic and line in on sb audigy 2 value. Can any of you confirm that it work in Debian / Agnula? Alsa-project says it shoud work fine, but I had the same problem with a sb audigy 4. |
| 15:29.30 | aimtrainer | I dont really care what I look like to you |
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| 15:29.31 | antgel | dabreegster: you're aware, for software to enter debian, there are guidelines. i'll try to find a url |
| 15:29.33 | resiak | !afo |
| 15:29.33 | dpkg | anyone for ops! |
| 15:29.36 | resiak | !! |
| 15:29.37 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:29.49 | abrotman | aimtrainer: then you won't mind if i don't help you .. have a nice day |
| 15:29.51 | dabreegster | antgel: I know, it's the maintainers guide or something I think |
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| 15:30.00 | abrotman | resiak: try again! |
| 15:30.06 | resiak | !afo |
| 15:30.06 | dpkg | azeem for ops! |
| 15:30.10 | resiak | abrotman: You lose. |
| 15:30.12 | aimtrainer | yea I don't mind I don't want to force anybody abrotman |
| 15:30.17 | aimtrainer | so thank you |
| 15:30.22 | nar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.27 | resiak | aimtrainer: You will get more help in here if you do not speak like a retard. |
| 15:30.34 | abrotman | !tell resiak about literal afo |
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| 15:30.40 | resiak | abrotman: I KNOW KTHX |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | resiak: si senor! |
| 15:30.50 | bbrazil | nar: man iptables, should be something in there |
| 15:30.52 | azeem | wau: I am from Munich, Germany, if you meant me |
| 15:30.52 | dabreegster | antgel: It's similar to something like mpd, but different because of the multiple queues. Before I wrote this program for myself, I was trying to get mpd and some other similar programs to do multiple queues, but they didn't, so I solved my own problem |
| 15:31.01 | _sss | shit, |
| 15:31.02 | bbrazil | nar: also make sure you're not blocking any ICMP |
| 15:31.07 | resiak | dpkg: afo =~ s/man/man|aimtrainer/ |
| 15:31.07 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 15:31.13 | abrotman | erm .. no ? |
| 15:31.16 | resiak | ;) |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | change it back! |
| 15:31.57 | aimtrainer | hard enough to talk about a topic I have no clue of in a foreign language. But if everytime I accidently write u for you or anything some fuckin smartass corrects me it doesn't really help resiak |
| 15:32.17 | antgel | dabreegster: i like the idea. i'd like to see it working with oggs, and i'd like to see a LICENSE ;) |
| 15:32.18 | resiak | !de |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | at least i'm not an idiot :) |
| 15:32.18 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:32.19 | nar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.29 | antgel | aimtrainer: have it your way. good luck |
| 15:32.32 | resiak | dpkg: afo =~ s/|aimtrainer// |
| 15:32.33 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 15:32.34 | abrotman | aimtrainer: and if you can't speak english .. use the channel for the language you're fluent in |
| 15:32.38 | wau | yes I did |
| 15:32.46 | _sss | have not gui infaces for "wordnet"??? |
| 15:32.55 | dabreegster | antgel: GPL I guess. And I'd be glad to add support for ogg. I don't think ogg123 has a remote mode like mpg321, so it'll be tough to control. |
| 15:32.58 | wau | azeem......thought you were ignoring me |
| 15:33.06 | antgel | aimtrainer: your english is fine. your typing is like a teenager sending an SMS |
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| 15:33.13 | aimtrainer | yea that is mature abrotman ... ~~ |
| 15:33.17 | abrotman | what? |
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| 15:33.24 | xptek | antgel: you're. |
| 15:33.25 | resiak | aimtrainer: Seriously. ... there is a .de channel |
| 15:33.25 | abrotman | telling you to use the german channel? |
| 15:33.28 | antgel | dabreegster: if it can't be done, it can't be done |
| 15:33.34 | abrotman | xptek: no .. antgel was correct |
| 15:33.36 | antgel | xptek: indeed :) |
| 15:33.39 | wau | what if I run base-config again? |
| 15:33.39 | azeem | wau: no, I am just busy with other stuff, and do not look at this chan all the time. So if you don't address me like "azeem: foo" (which highlights in my client), I might not notice |
| 15:33.42 | xptek | oh |
| 15:33.43 | xptek | fuck |
| 15:33.44 | antgel | abrotman: oh yeah |
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| 15:33.46 | xptek | didn't see the is |
| 15:33.47 | xptek | ;) |
| 15:33.47 | abrotman | !win me |
| 15:33.48 | aimtrainer | yea i got it thx but in the eng one there are just more people |
| 15:33.50 | _sss | who is uses wordnet, |
| 15:33.50 | antgel | xptek: wrong :) |
| 15:33.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 15:33.55 | resiak | antgel: Hey, I type SMSs in real English and I'm a teenager... |
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| 15:34.01 | antgel | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:34.04 | xptek | antgel: didn't see the is.. lol |
| 15:34.05 | _sss | if is not guifaces for wordnet?????? |
| 15:34.09 | xptek | BBL, work. |
| 15:34.09 | _sss | lol |
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| 15:34.14 | dabreegster | antgel: Don't think it can currently, unfortunately |
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| 15:34.17 | antgel | resiak: you're a freak :P |
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| 15:34.39 | _sss | antgel, hah |
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| 15:34.53 | _sss | don't say that, |
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| 15:35.44 | _sss | but now i have some problem about wordnet, |
| 15:35.52 | _sss | gui |
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| 15:36.02 | liran_ | how do i clear apt's cache? |
| 15:36.06 | shay | apt-get clean |
| 15:36.10 | _sss | apt-get clean |
| 15:36.13 | antgel | liran_: man apt-get |
| 15:36.14 | liran_ | ahh done that |
| 15:36.19 | liran_ | i thought there is more to it |
| 15:36.22 | liran_ | thanks anyway |
| 15:36.26 | shay | np |
| 15:36.35 | _sss | i think there are noone uses wordnet? |
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| 15:36.49 | Eulex | !popcon |
| 15:36.49 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 15:37.01 | Eulex | _sss, ^^ |
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| 15:37.16 | antgel | !tell _sss about cn |
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| 15:37.41 | nar | If I set a MTU of 1400 and get a 1500 packet, what is suppost to happen? I am getting it silentlly dropped. If the MTU 1400 is on the internal interface instead I get ICMP messages. |
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| 15:38.28 | antgel | dabreegster: also, as a daemon, it probably should run as it's own user |
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| 15:39.01 | dabreegster | antgel: Yeah, probably. What should it run as though? |
| 15:39.11 | Eulex | _sss, wordnet inst: 319 vote: 97 old: 199 recent: 23 no-files: 0 |
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| 15:39.37 | antgel | dabreegster: i would ask a devel, but ir should probably create it's own user and group. this is a packaging issue though |
| 15:39.45 | dabreegster | antgel: OK |
| 15:39.47 | antgel | dabreegster: s/ir/it |
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| 15:39.55 | dabreegster | antgel: I don't see too many security issues with it, do you? |
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| 15:40.29 | Eulex | The Hard Way(tm) of telling someone that people are using a package xD |
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| 15:40.59 | antgel | dabreegster: i haven't perused the code. anything running as a daemon needs to be tight |
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| 15:41.16 | dabreegster | antgel: OK. I'll work on the code whenever I get a chance. |
| 15:41.31 | embrik | I try to extend dev/vg_system/lv-usr using lvextend, but can't make it. Anybodu wo can give me a hint? |
| 15:41.44 | antgel | dabreegster: i'm looking at the ogg123 manpage. what are we looking for exactly? have you read it? |
| 15:42.25 | dabreegster | antgel: I've read it. mpg321 has something called a remote mode, where another program can open a read/write interface to it and send commands like 'load file' and 'pause', as well as read constant feedback on frames/times. |
| 15:42.35 | dabreegster | antgel: ogg123 has nothing of that description |
| 15:42.56 | antgel | azeem: do i need to get a sponsor *before* adopting an orphaned package? |
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| 15:43.23 | azeem | antgel: I don't think so, but it might make sense to have one ready |
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| 15:45.25 | al6bert | hi! |
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| 15:45.31 | antgel | dabreegster: hmm, a possible enhancement for ogg123 me thinks :) does your package need mpg123 or can it use free mpg321? |
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| 15:45.43 | dabreegster | antgel: It uses mpg321, the free one |
| 15:45.48 | antgel | azeem: are you in the mood or shall i nip over to #debian-mentors? |
| 15:45.50 | Sagan | lo |
| 15:45.53 | antgel | dabreegster: great |
| 15:45.58 | dabreegster | antgel: It might work with mpg123 as well, not sure, never tried it. |
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| 15:46.30 | al6bert | I want to ask how can I do to reconfigure de x sistem because the only resolutions i can use are 800*600 and lower |
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| 15:46.39 | antgel | !tell al6bert about drxx |
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| 15:46.48 | al6bert | thanks |
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| 15:49.06 | dabreegster | Odd... What's the latest kernel-image package in testing for the 386 arch? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 says no installation candidate, and I just did an update today. |
| 15:49.25 | cheal | 2.6.12 |
| 15:49.40 | azeem | antgel: I don't have my notebook with GPG key around, so I couldn't upload it now anyway. And I am somewhat busy at work to look at it now, sorry |
| 15:49.41 | tzafrir_home | dabreegster, linux-image-something. it was renamed |
| 15:49.42 | cheal | and it's not kernel-image, it's linux-image |
| 15:49.48 | dabreegster | Oh |
| 15:49.50 | azeem | antgel: but if you find nobody in the next days, I can have a look, sure |
| 15:49.53 | Eulex | dabreegster, right, 2.6.8 ain't in testing anymore afaik |
| 15:49.54 | _sss | antgel, what are you doing,and why you uses "!tell XXXXX " often, |
| 15:49.54 | dabreegster | I never heard about that. Thanks. |
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| 15:50.11 | tzafrir_home | linux-image-2.6-386 , I figure |
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| 15:50.21 | dabreegster | Thanks, I didn't know about the name change |
| 15:50.35 | _sss | uses /nick |
| 15:51.16 | antgel | azeem: ok. i didn't mean now. i'm sure i'll find somebody when the time comes |
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| 15:51.38 | dabreegster | There's no k6 arch for AMD K6 processors anymore? 386 then. |
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| 15:53.03 | blondie | what's the difference between k6 and k7? |
| 15:53.41 | dabreegster | blondie: k7 is for athlon/duron machines I think |
| 15:53.41 | _sss | blondie, sse, |
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| 15:54.10 | blondie | ah |
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| 15:55.24 | quitte | why is rp_filter set to 1 by default? |
| 15:55.35 | satans_banjo | hi everyone |
| 15:55.38 | quitte | can i change that default behaviour somehow? |
| 15:55.47 | satans_banjo | does anyone know of a good ISO mounter for debian? |
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| 15:56.01 | Andy837 | how do i know if my /home is mounted? |
| 15:56.07 | dabreegster | satans_banjo: mount can mount iso images just fine |
| 15:56.08 | Andy837 | and how do i know what the mount point is? |
| 15:56.09 | blondie | satans_banjo: "mount" does it nicely |
| 15:56.12 | dabreegster | antgel: df |
| 15:56.14 | satans_banjo | thanks |
| 15:56.15 | POVaddct | satans_banjo: mount -o loop,ro isoimage /mountpoint |
| 15:56.16 | Andy837 | "newbie to linux" |
| 15:56.19 | dabreegster | antgel: df | grep /home |
| 15:56.19 | blondie | Andy837: "mount" |
| 15:56.37 | blondie | or look in /home and see if there's stuff there |
| 15:56.52 | snull | Andy837: mountpoint /home |
| 15:56.52 | dos000 | anyone can comment on the state of l7-filters in debian ? |
| 15:56.53 | Andy837 | ok well /home isn't listed in mount |
| 15:57.03 | Andy837 | so how do i mount it? |
| 15:57.19 | blondie | well, is it on a seperate partition? |
| 15:57.24 | Andy837 | no |
| 15:57.30 | blondie | then you don't need to mount it |
| 15:57.40 | blondie | is there stuff in /home ? |
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| 15:59.08 | Jlma | How can i get a list of mirrors to select? |
| 15:59.09 | qpee | hi, i have a already set um linux server (debian) which has sshd installed with x-forwarding. can anyone give me a link to a xserver on windows so that i can use the linux system from my windows client? |
| 15:59.09 | antgel | dabreegster: that wasn't for me |
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| 15:59.16 | qpee | i mean a free one by the way :) |
| 15:59.24 | dabreegster | antgel: irssi tab-complete is strange. Sorry. |
| 15:59.42 | resiak | qpee: cygwin has an X server. Hope that helps. |
| 15:59.48 | dabreegster | There should be an auto-expire for the last person you were talking to or something |
| 16:00.07 | blondie | Jlma: apt-setup |
| 16:00.08 | antgel | dabreegster: i think it goes in order of last person to talk |
| 16:00.24 | qpee | resiak: well if there would be an isolated tool that would be great, i gues cgywin will install lots of other stuff on deffault? |
| 16:00.31 | dos000 | qpee, migh want to check out freenx ! |
| 16:00.44 | resiak | qpee: ...you could always tell it not to? |
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| 16:00.48 | dabreegster | antgel: Odd, it didn't work just now. |
| 16:01.21 | qpee | dos000: is this for windows? |
| 16:01.27 | zOap | I need to install kernel-image-26.12 but it is not available in apt. Is it safe to download it from debian.org and install it through dpkg? |
| 16:01.48 | resiak | qpee: /msg dpkg giyf |
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| 16:02.04 | dabreegster | zOap: Have you tried an apt-get update with correct apt sources? |
| 16:02.17 | Eulex | zOap, yes, however, you'll probably find that package as a linux-image-* if you're on at least testing |
| 16:02.18 | zOap | dabreegster, yes. I don |
| 16:02.21 | resiak | zOap: Are you sure you don't mean linux-image-* |
| 16:02.25 | zOap | 't have testing and |
| 16:02.32 | zOap | aah |
| 16:02.35 | zOap | Imight:) |
| 16:02.37 | Eulex | zOap, stable? |
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| 16:02.44 | dabreegster | zOap: Oops, didn't notice you said kernel-image. I made the same mistake a minute ago. |
| 16:02.49 | dos000 | qpee, yup .. you get the client from www.nomachine.com ... setting up the server (in the linux box) requires freenx |
| 16:03.03 | dabreegster | Why was it changed to linux-image? |
| 16:03.08 | zOap | dabreegster, but linux-image will install the kernel right? |
| 16:03.28 | qpee | resiak: wonderful, thanks |
| 16:03.29 | dabreegster | zOap: Yeah, it should. I'd choose an arch and stuff |
| 16:03.47 | qpee | dos000: i already have ssh installed |
| 16:03.52 | Eulex | dabreegster, probably cos there's more than one kind of kernel (except for linux) that's usable in debian nowadays |
| 16:04.12 | dabreegster | Eulex: True. Isn't hurd there now? |
| 16:04.25 | dos000 | qpee, is it debian ? |
| 16:04.27 | antgel | dabreegster: let me know when you have a source package that you think is good enough to go into debian, i.e. with license, copyright, and preferably a man page |
| 16:04.32 | Eulex | dabreegster, yep. and kfreebsd and opensolaris are WIP too |
| 16:04.48 | dabreegster | antgel: Will do |
| 16:04.49 | antgel | dabreegster: and if there are issues you want to fix, so much the better |
| 16:04.54 | dabreegster | Eulex: Neat |
| 16:05.15 | zOap | dabreegster, there is no package called anything with linux-image in apt |
| 16:05.16 | dabreegster | antgel: Yeah, I need to fix a few things. |
| 16:05.30 | Eulex | zOap, then you're on stable. |
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| 16:05.36 | qpee | dos000: yes |
| 16:05.39 | zOap | Eulex, yes I am |
| 16:05.47 | dos000 | qpee, i have not come aroud a free and good xserver in windows. but the nomachine seems to provide better x compression |
| 16:06.16 | zOap | Eulex, are you trying to tell me that 2.6.8 is the latest stable kernel image?? |
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| 16:06.36 | Eulex | zOap, 2.6.8 is the latest kernel image in debian stable/sarge |
| 16:06.37 | dos000 | qpee, i did install freenx on debian before .. after some hoops. i hope things are better now. |
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| 16:06.55 | zOap | Eulex, so how do I get it then? |
| 16:07.09 | dos000 | qpee, the client is awsome and very easy to install. |
| 16:07.14 | dabreegster | antgel: At the moment, it sends output as far as time/current song playing to /tmp/jmd. It doesn't erase the file each time (which would be about every 1 second for times), instead just appending new lines. I wouldn't expect the files to grow very big at all, but is it an issue? |
| 16:07.18 | Eulex | zOap, download whatever kernel image you want from debian.org and dpkg -i pkgname it |
| 16:07.33 | zOap | Eulex, ok, thanks |
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| 16:09.28 | idefix | I downloaded this exe-file from internet, but you cannot run it under linux, can you? |
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| 16:09.30 | dos000 | qpee, another alternative would be to run the free vmware player in windows to boot debian or ubuntu. |
| 16:09.43 | dabreegster | idefix: No, not without wine or something |
| 16:09.55 | idefix | so then linux sucks? |
| 16:09.58 | qpee | dos000: thanks for your ideas, i give it a try. bye for now |
| 16:10.03 | dabreegster | idefix: No. |
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| 16:10.17 | dabreegster | idefix: Why do you make that assumption? Ask whoever made the program to port it to Linux. |
| 16:10.23 | dabreegster | idefix: Or release the source. |
| 16:10.33 | zOap | Eulex, when I search for 1.6.12 I get a *di package, and a warning that it is not a kernel but a debian installer package..? |
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| 16:10.45 | zOap | 2.6.12 that is |
| 16:10.45 | dabreegster | idefix: You could try to emulate it. Check out wine. |
| 16:10.53 | idefix | I was looking for a simple program to take a picture with a webcam |
| 16:11.17 | antgel | dabreegster: i'll have a think |
| 16:11.22 | dabreegster | idefix: I'm sure there's a program for Linux that can do that. I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but try apt-cache search with some keywords. |
| 16:11.26 | dabreegster | antgel: Alright |
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| 16:11.39 | dabreegster | antgel: And I presume /tmp is the right place to put this sort of status info? |
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| 16:12.03 | dabreegster | idefix: apt-cache search webcam yields plenty of results |
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| 16:12.21 | antgel | dabreegster: that's something else i'm pondering. /tmp doesn't survive reboots, but then perhaps it doesn't matter here. where is the file in /tmp *used*? |
| 16:12.45 | EvilDebian | Would there be a reason why change the group on a directory in /mnt? |
| 16:12.46 | dabreegster | antgel: It's not supposed to survive reboots, there's no need. |
| 16:13.03 | antgel | EvilDebian: too vague |
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| 16:13.06 | EvilDebian | ok |
| 16:13.13 | EvilDebian | i have a group "winusers" |
| 16:13.17 | dabreegster | antgel: song/times simply show the current song playing and the time elapsed/remaining. I use it with screen to do a constantly updating thing, but people can use it for anything |
| 16:13.29 | EvilDebian | and i'm trying to "chgrp winusers /mnt/directory" |
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| 16:13.47 | antgel | dabreegster: so the program writes nothing to stdout? |
| 16:13.49 | EvilDebian | and when "ls -la /mnt/directory" after that it shows the same group, root |
| 16:13.53 | dabreegster | antgel: Also, /tmp/jmd/input is how jmc sends the daemon input. I don't know how to work sockets and stuff in perl yet, so I just send info to a file and send the ALRM signal to JMD. It's probably messy, but it works. |
| 16:14.05 | dabreegster | antgel: No. Should it? |
| 16:14.19 | Eulex | zOap, yep, don't touch it. |
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| 16:15.11 | antgel | dabreegster: well, it means that there isn't much of a UI for the user who doesn't want to use screen or watch to look at the file in /tmp |
| 16:15.38 | dabreegster | antgel: I know. |
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| 16:15.54 | dabreegster | antgel: If I knew GTK or something, I could make a little applet thing for the desktop. |
| 16:16.03 | resiak | dabreegster: Why not make it use the same protocol as mpd? |
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| 16:16.07 | antgel | dabreegster: not necessarily a bad thing, just thinking about it |
| 16:16.28 | dabreegster | resiak: I dunno what protocol it uses, I'll check into it. |
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| 16:17.13 | idefix | www.apt.cache.com? |
| 16:17.25 | Michi | hi, a german guy around? need help :/ |
| 16:17.31 | Eulex | !de |
| 16:17.31 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 16:17.33 | idefix | yo, I speak a little german |
| 16:17.38 | dabreegster | idefix: No, apt-cache is a command. Are you even running Linux? Have you used a commandline? |
| 16:17.41 | azeem | idefix: don't encourage it |
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| 16:18.03 | Eulex | Michi, guten tag, btw |
| 16:18.06 | idefix | I'm really new to linux dabreegster |
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| 16:18.13 | idefix | I've used unix for half a year |
| 16:18.15 | idefix | that's all |
| 16:18.18 | EvilDebian | Should I be able to change the group on a directory in /mnt? |
| 16:18.23 | Tortel | !german |
| 16:18.23 | dpkg | i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 16:18.25 | Michi | hi eulex |
| 16:18.28 | dabreegster | idefix: Do you know how to use a command line? |
| 16:18.40 | idefix | yes, so I type apt-cache at this line then? |
| 16:18.54 | dabreegster | idefix: Yeah. apt-cache search webcam |
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| 16:19.22 | dabreegster | idefix: Or you can use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic if you like |
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| 16:20.44 | _shad_ | I'm trying to create a script to send messages to my cell phone, but when people call with a & in the callerid, bash takes it literally. It doesn't matter if I enclose the string in " or ' . Am I missing something? |
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| 16:21.00 | marsas | hey, how can i get a .crt file from remote server? |
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| 16:21.22 | dabreegster | _shad_: Something like echo '&' works as expected |
| 16:21.37 | dabreegster | _shad_: Also, #bash might be able to help too. |
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| 16:21.55 | _shad_ | dabreegster: Thx, I'll try there |
| 16:22.05 | tzafrir_home | _shad_, maybe you need to quote it twice. That is: maybe that string gets interpeted twice |
| 16:22.18 | zven_ | I can't configure latest bmpx: checking for the version of libcurl... 7.15.0, checking whether libcurl is usable... no, configure: error: libcurl not found. But libcurl3-dev installed |
| 16:22.19 | lnx^ | _shad_: you could just use a perl tool to add \ before all &s |
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| 16:22.30 | Eulex | _shad_, giving an example of a line that's affected will help people helping you |
| 16:22.40 | idefix | dabreegster: the commands this search comes up with don't work |
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| 16:22.48 | riddlebox | hello |
| 16:23.01 | Tromer | alguem do brasil?? |
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| 16:23.12 | idefix | go to debian.br? |
| 16:23.13 | Eulex | !br |
| 16:23.14 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:23.14 | lnx^ | _shad_: you could use quotemeta() in perl for that. I don't know if bash has some function of its own for that |
| 16:23.24 | Tromer | yes |
| 16:23.25 | Eulex | zven_, is that on stable? |
| 16:23.26 | dabreegster | idefix: 'apt-cache search webcam' didn't show a list of packages? What was the error? If it's a lot, don't paste it in the channel. |
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| 16:23.46 | zven_ | Eulex, no, testing/unstable & some experimental |
| 16:23.55 | idefix | it came up with a list, I tried to run two of them and I got bash: camgrab: command not found |
| 16:24.00 | Tromer | bye |
| 16:24.16 | idefix | so I need another type of shell? |
| 16:24.18 | dabreegster | idefix: You have to install the packages if you want them. apt-get install camgrab, for instance |
| 16:24.25 | idefix | oki |
| 16:24.26 | Eulex | zven_, hmm, testing and unstable has 7.15.0, so it *should* work -- bug the bmpx devs |
| 16:24.32 | dabreegster | idefix: No, you can use the same shell. |
| 16:25.19 | EvilDebian | ok do I need to do something special (other than su root) to change permissions/ownership in the /mnt directory? |
| 16:25.21 | zven_ | Eulex, ok..maybe rollback to some previous versions of bmpx would help... |
| 16:25.24 | EvilDebian | unmount the volumes first? |
| 16:25.30 | idefix | why does it say "Recommended packages: ssh"? |
| 16:25.37 | _rene_ | zven_: what does config.log say? |
| 16:25.37 | Eulex | EvilDebian, no |
| 16:25.46 | Eulex | zven_, maybe. |
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| 16:26.00 | EvilDebian | then why can't i change them :P |
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| 16:26.08 | dabreegster | idefix: Probably because you don't have ssh installed and you should, but you can probably just ignore it. |
| 16:26.13 | EvilDebian | i just did "chmod g+w /mnt/directory" and it didn't change it |
| 16:26.13 | vetypommi | hello |
| 16:26.19 | EvilDebian | and yes i did it as root |
| 16:26.38 | idefix | dabreegster: ssh is secure shell, right? it's like xterm but different... |
| 16:26.49 | zven_ | _rene_, alot of :) |
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| 16:27.06 | vetypommi | I have a problem with Gtk, it looks like this in a XMMS: http://benny.saitti.net/gtk.png |
| 16:27.12 | dabreegster | idefix: xterm is a terminal emulator, but yeah, ssh is secure shell. |
| 16:27.14 | vetypommi | I have never seen anything like that |
| 16:27.23 | cahoot | EvilDebian: what fs is it you have mounted? |
| 16:27.31 | dabreegster | idefix: If apt wants to install ssh, I'd let it: ssh is useful |
| 16:27.33 | EvilDebian | it's a smb share |
| 16:27.46 | EvilDebian | basically i'm trying to be able to change the group on it |
| 16:27.47 | idefix | you use ssh for remote desktop between different computers? |
| 16:27.56 | idefix | or for encrypted data exchange? |
| 16:28.08 | EvilDebian | right now all users can read it |
| 16:28.19 | antgel | EvilDebian: man mount |
| 16:28.26 | dabreegster | idefix: Feel free to look it up, I don't use ssh much. |
| 16:28.27 | EvilDebian | i want to change the group on it so i can change the permissions |
| 16:28.31 | idefix | nobody pays attention man |
| 16:28.35 | EvilDebian | hmm |
| 16:28.46 | dabreegster | idefix: "Ssh (Secure Shell) is a program for logging into a remote machine and for executing commands on a remote machine." |
| 16:28.55 | Eulex | vetypommi, looks like you have to change the default gtk1 font... |
| 16:29.11 | riddlebox | I am trying to add a second hdd on /dev/hdc1 and would like my users to be able to write to it, but I cannot get it to work right, can someone help me? |
| 16:29.20 | vetypommi | eulex, any easy way to do it? I've tried to use gtk-theme-switch but no use |
| 16:29.36 | dabreegster | idefix: It sounds like your webcam package could benefit from it if it recommends it. I'd install it, but it's entirely your choice. |
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| 16:29.59 | idefix | when I run it I get some stuff and then nothing |
| 16:30.01 | idefix | I think |
| 16:30.07 | Eulex | idefix, encrypted console access and data exchange, it's nothing to do with desktops |
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| 16:30.18 | Eulex | idefix, what an accurate description. |
| 16:30.31 | dabreegster | idefix: If you don't see anything that looks like an error, it probably installed correctly. |
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| 16:30.50 | idefix | but if it doesn't work anyway then something is wrong? |
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| 16:31.17 | Eulex | idefix, do you know that it doesn't work? do you know how to use it? |
| 16:31.21 | dabreegster | idefix: ...Probably. Just can through the output. Anything that looks like it didn't install? Try running it. |
| 16:31.26 | _shad_ | I think I found the problem. The program that is sending the script is stripping out the '. Thanks guys |
| 16:32.04 | Eulex | _shad_, ok, echo \& then |
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| 16:32.51 | Eulex | idefix, have you read the description of the package? have you checked the man page? |
| 16:32.55 | EvilDebian | antgel: i must be dense, i don't see how to specify a group ownership with mount |
| 16:33.17 | Elly | y'know what I just realized |
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| 16:33.23 | Eulex | EvilDebian, -o gid=whatever |
| 16:33.24 | idefix | nono |
| 16:33.29 | Elly | the 'productivity chart' just shows that the assholes who get help around here are not thankful enough |
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| 16:33.52 | antgel | Elly: thanks for realising :P |
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| 16:34.00 | cyzie | other than root can write a file on other user directory, is there any way to accomplish this w/o user root ? |
| 16:34.01 | dvs | !Elly++ |
| 16:34.01 | _shad_ | Eulex: the & is being passed inside a variable, so I can't change anything about it |
| 16:34.13 | Eulex | idefix, then do that |
| 16:34.13 | EvilDebian | ah |
| 16:34.24 | EvilDebian | and i specify permissions with -o ro or rw |
| 16:34.27 | EvilDebian | yes? |
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| 16:35.50 | Eulex | _shad_, wouldn't something like whatever | sed "s/&/\&/g" work |
| 16:36.05 | Eulex | EvilDebian, yep |
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| 16:37.35 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: gtk-theme-switch is a piece of trash, edit the *appropriate* file manually, gtk-theme-switch just changes the wrong one often |
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| 16:38.17 | vetypommi | valdyn, problem is: I have no idea what there suppose to be |
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| 16:39.24 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: do you have kde installed? ( i dont care if you use it ) |
| 16:39.35 | vetypommi | no I don't have |
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| 16:39.46 | vetypommi | oh wait |
| 16:39.49 | vetypommi | yes I have |
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| 16:40.14 | idefix | Eulex? |
| 16:40.22 | Laibsch | Is there a program for Linux that will allow marking portions on the screen to aid in presentations (not just Impress/PowerPoint-type)? IOW, draw the attention of the viewers to a certain region of the screen? Sort of like a digital laser pointer. |
| 16:40.41 | Eulex | idefix, check the package description and the man page |
| 16:40.49 | dabreegster | Laibsch: You could change the mouse cursor to something extravagant. |
| 16:41.32 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: strace -eopen 2>&1 <yourprogram> | grep gtkrc |
| 16:41.40 | sussudio | "Finally, pigs make wonderful pets provided they are spayed or neutered." |
| 16:41.43 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: strace -eopen <yourprogram> 2>&1 | grep gtkrc |
| 16:41.45 | Piggy | O_O |
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| 16:42.10 | vetypommi | open("/etc/gtk/gtkrc.iso-8859-15", O_RDONLY) = 4 |
| 16:42.10 | vetypommi | open("/home/benny/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2", O_RDONLY) = 4 |
| 16:42.11 | Laibsch | dabreegster: Well, I guess that is an option, but how about being able to draw a red circle on the screen? I want to do this for presentations given over an Internet hosted VNC connection. |
| 16:42.23 | EvilDebian | ok so i got it to mount with the right group ownership but it seemed to ignore -w |
| 16:42.24 | Eulex | Laibsch, a projector and a whiteboard? xD |
| 16:42.30 | dabreegster | Laibsch: No clue, sorry. |
| 16:42.37 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: alright, does your .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 include .gtkrc.mine ? |
| 16:42.38 | EvilDebian | do I need to set the permission on the mountpoint before I mount the filesystem? |
| 16:42.46 | idefix | how do check the package description or the man page of a program/package? |
| 16:42.56 | Laibsch | Eulex: Interesting option but not feasible in this case (see my reply to dabreegster) |
| 16:43.01 | dvs | idefix: apt-cache info <package-name> |
| 16:43.06 | dabreegster | idefix: apt-cache show package, man command |
| 16:43.14 | vetypommi | valdyn, nope. it's missing |
| 16:43.18 | messia | Hi people |
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| 16:43.36 | Eulex | Laibsch, oh? I wasn't serious :) |
| 16:43.42 | messia | I have same problem with apache e awstats (debian package) |
| 16:43.44 | idefix | Invalid operation info? |
| 16:43.54 | dabreegster | idefix: apt-cache show |
| 16:43.54 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: fine, now gtk-theme-switch just altered the configuration in ~/.gtkrc ( which you never use ), look at that file and copy whatever from there to ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 |
| 16:44.05 | Laibsch | Eulex: I know but sometimes those not-serious ideas really bring interesting options. |
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| 16:44.23 | Laibsch | If it was a normal presentation, that might do it. |
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| 16:44.31 | dabreegster | Laibsch: I was serious about the mouse cursor. |
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| 16:44.45 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: mind, "which you never use" *only* applies to that specific program, various braindead gtk programs read _different_ config files in different orders |
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| 16:45.25 | vetypommi | valdyn, I have that problem with gmplayer and xmms only (the ones I only need ;) |
| 16:45.32 | Laibsch | dabreegster: Yes, i know. I was referring to Eulex' "interesting" approach. |
| 16:45.47 | dabreegster | Laibsch: OK |
| 16:45.50 | EvilDebian | rrr! filesystem won't mount as group writeable |
| 16:46.14 | Laibsch | dabreegster: The problem is that VNC is not good at transmitting motion so you would really need a trail that can be switched on and off. |
| 16:46.15 | idefix | ok I have a description |
| 16:46.24 | Laibsch | a long one. |
| 16:46.28 | EvilDebian | -w to mount should mount it as rw, yes? |
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| 16:46.41 | idefix | but it says it oploads the files to a webserver, which one? |
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| 16:47.02 | Eulex | idefix, most probably configurable |
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| 16:47.23 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: both gnome and kde change which config file should be used by gtk apps, gtk-theme-switch doesnt work properly if you use either of those 2 |
| 16:48.11 | vetypommi | valdyn, damn. |
| 16:48.47 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: you can probably 'fix' that by including ~/.gtkrc in your ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 |
| 16:49.05 | vetypommi | valdyn, does it need log out? |
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| 16:49.12 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: no |
| 16:49.24 | dabreegster | Whenever I do an apt-cache show of a package, and nothing appears, that means it's obselete, right? How do I clear the list of obselete packages? |
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| 16:49.30 | vetypommi | well. I copied those from .gtkrc to .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 but no use |
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| 16:49.49 | idefix | Eulex: how? |
| 16:50.06 | vetypommi | I'm really loosing with this. makes me mad |
| 16:50.11 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: what exactly did you copy |
| 16:50.13 | daft | lolz sid is 3vil when you install it from scratch :) |
| 16:50.28 | dabreegster | idefix: It depends on the program. Read the manual. |
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| 16:51.07 | zOap | I have installed a module from source. the rt2570 module. But when I open modconf I can't find it anywhere. Is there some trick to add a module to the kernel when you know the name? |
| 16:51.54 | antgel | zOap: does modprobe not work? |
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| 16:51.59 | cheal | zOap: modprobe? |
| 16:52.34 | zOap | antgel, cheal no. I have just done the make make install. dunno how to add it to the kernel |
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| 16:52.51 | zOap | I've always used the modconf... |
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| 16:53.11 | EvilDebian | urrgh |
| 16:53.21 | dvs | zOap: I forget the command to update the modprobe.dep file |
| 16:53.21 | daft | z0ap : me to and debian is the only distro that has it |
| 16:53.23 | EvilDebian | ok if kill -9 doesn't stop a process is there something else to do? |
| 16:53.33 | antgel | zOap: find out where make install put it. you don't need modconf. modprobe works fine |
| 16:53.45 | zOap | antgel, ok thanks |
| 16:54.02 | cheal | dvs: you must be thinking about # depmod -a |
| 16:54.11 | dvs | cheal: that's it! ;-) thanks |
| 16:54.13 | valdyn_ | vetypommi: http://valdyn.mine.nu/~valdyn/gtkrc <- just setting user-font isnt enough for all apps |
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| 16:55.01 | cheal | EvilDebian: check that you have the right to kill the process? |
| 16:55.06 | dabreegster | Wow, the new 2.6.12 kernel image packages support splash images? |
| 16:55.09 | EvilDebian | this is as root |
| 16:55.26 | ajkroll | kill it's parent |
| 16:55.35 | ajkroll | ps waxf |
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| 16:56.21 | vetypommi | valdyn, thanks. your gtkrc fixed my problem. |
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| 16:57.53 | EvilDebian | ajkroll: tried that, could kill parent processes but not the child |
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| 16:59.18 | valdyn_ | EvilDebian: if kill -9 doesnt kill a process you can either kill the parent ( not with -9 ), or nothing |
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| 16:59.25 | EvilDebian | blah |
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| 17:00.18 | EvilDebian | ugh restart time then |
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| 17:01.58 | blondie | even restart wont fix it :O |
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| 17:03.49 | elirips | hello people. how can i make that all files and dirs that are newly created in directory 'A' have rights 'rwxr-x---' and owner the user who created them, and group 'Group1'? all users that can write in that directory are also in group 'Group1'. |
| 17:04.19 | antgel | elirips: see the faq in the /topic |
| 17:04.37 | valdyn_ | elirips: man chmod |
| 17:05.20 | vekpos | hallo! habe meine alte festplatte jetzt auf die neue (kleinere) übertragen - jetzt kommt beim anmelden vom benutzer (root geht): "GDM konnte nicht in Ihre Legitimationsdatei schreiben..." - ich hab aber noch platz frei, und alle .*authority -Dateien haben mindestens lese und schreibrechte für den benutzer |
| 17:05.42 | shay | vekpos, english only channel |
| 17:06.03 | shay | vekpos, is that german? |
| 17:06.15 | antgel | !tell vekpos about de |
| 17:06.20 | vekpos | oh shit |
| 17:06.27 | shay | !german |
| 17:06.27 | antgel | vekpos: that's better |
| 17:06.27 | dpkg | german is, like, #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 17:06.31 | rking | elirips: that sounds like a homework question if i've ever, ever heard one |
| 17:06.42 | vekpos | wrong channel, i usually write in .de, sry |
| 17:07.12 | elirips | rking: lol, no i got no homework to do about linux - that is no course - altough i guess i could need one ;) |
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| 17:08.04 | EvilDebian | is it even possible to mount an smbfs file share as read-write? |
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| 17:08.09 | rking | elirips: you might be interested in sticky bit directories, like /tmp - i'm not sure if it's possible to make the group the same or not |
| 17:08.39 | cheal | EvilDebian: an SMB share? yes |
| 17:08.42 | elirips | rking: thanks, i'm reading about permissions now.. |
| 17:08.45 | tzafrir_home | EvilDebian, it is read-write by default |
| 17:08.46 | EvilDebian | ok |
| 17:08.55 | EvilDebian | i could just write to it as root |
| 17:09.01 | EvilDebian | but i want to be able to write to it as a user |
| 17:09.08 | EvilDebian | and i can't figure out how to mount it that way |
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| 17:09.27 | tzafrir_home | what is the client? what is the server? |
| 17:09.43 | bam_ | got a question, if I have a ftp server, can I set up folders to be mounted(like network folders) without using a ftp client? |
| 17:10.10 | EvilDebian | server is winxp pro, client is this debian laptop |
| 17:10.19 | antgel | bam_: some desktop environments can do this |
| 17:10.32 | bam_ | such as? |
| 17:10.32 | tzafrir_home | bam_, you have to use an ftp client of some sort. There is something called "ftpfs", I believe. But it is implemented on top of some ftp client |
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| 17:10.44 | metaperl | bam_: I think the Alex file system does that? |
| 17:10.55 | blondie | the Alex file system o.O |
| 17:10.59 | blondie | mine :D |
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| 17:11.09 | metaperl | blondie: you wrote it? |
| 17:11.14 | bam_ | Alex file system? |
| 17:11.24 | blondie | umm, my name is alex :P |
| 17:11.41 | EvilDebian | hello my name is brak! |
| 17:11.42 | tzafrir_home | EvilDebian, you mount the system logged on (to the server) as a certain user. It depends on the permissions that user has on the server |
| 17:13.04 | blondie | brak o.o |
| 17:13.37 | valdyn_ | bam_: lufs can do this , fuse can do this |
| 17:14.06 | EvilDebian | tza: then i don't know what's going on, root can create files on the mount, and the user can edit those files and save the changes but not create new files |
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| 17:14.41 | blondie | EvilDebian: user does not have write permissions to the directory then |
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| 17:15.07 | blondie | (but does on the files contained) |
| 17:15.08 | EvilDebian | the user on the windows machine does, but for some reason the permissions don't reflect that |
| 17:15.13 | bam_ | lots to look at, thanks guys |
| 17:15.23 | blondie | ls -ld <directory> |
| 17:15.25 | blondie | what does that show? |
| 17:15.26 | EvilDebian | the user has full access to the directories in question |
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| 17:15.39 | mage | anyone running mod_python2.3 on a debian testing box ? I got a [Sat Nov 26 18:00:19 2005] [notice] child pid 4376 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) in my apache logs ... any idea ? |
| 17:15.52 | EvilDebian | dr-xr-xr-x 1 root winusers 4096 2005-11-26 12:08 . |
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| 17:16.02 | EvilDebian | and this user is in the 'winusers' group |
| 17:16.26 | blondie | there is no write permission there |
| 17:16.32 | EvilDebian | yes |
| 17:16.36 | blondie | so it won't work |
| 17:16.39 | blondie | dr-xr-xr-x |
| 17:16.40 | EvilDebian | that's what i'm trying to fix |
| 17:16.47 | blondie | that needs some "w"s in it |
| 17:16.55 | blondie | chmog ug+w . |
| 17:16.57 | EvilDebian | yes i know :P |
| 17:16.58 | blondie | *chmod |
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| 17:17.08 | blondie | change the permissions? |
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| 17:17.17 | faif | how can I discover in which device I can mount a usb flash stick? |
| 17:17.22 | dvs | blondie: EvilDebian can't for some reason. |
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| 17:17.31 | mage | faif: install udev |
| 17:17.33 | valdyn_ | faif: dmesg |
| 17:17.36 | EvilDebian | and i think it's because of the way i mounted it |
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| 17:17.40 | blondie | oh |
| 17:17.46 | blondie | it's a samba share? |
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| 17:17.49 | EvilDebian | yes |
| 17:18.17 | blondie | well you need to set uid and gid for it |
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| 17:18.26 | blondie | umm |
| 17:18.39 | faif | yeah, but it dmesg says sth like device 2, not the device name (ie /dev/sda1), and I have to test it on my own to find which device is... |
| 17:18.42 | blondie | is the user trying to write to it from linux or from windows? |
| 17:18.45 | faif | yeah, but dmesg says sth like device 2, not the device name (ie /dev/sda1), and I have to test it on my own to find which device is... |
| 17:18.49 | EvilDebian | linux |
| 17:19.03 | dvs | faif: fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
| 17:19.22 | blondie | EvilDebian: you have to set uid/gid options in mount |
| 17:19.28 | blondie | man smbmount has info on that |
| 17:19.32 | EvilDebian | i did that |
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| 17:19.42 | EvilDebian | look i'll show you the mount command i'm using |
| 17:19.49 | blondie | ok |
| 17:19.57 | Thanatermesis | is posible to create a debootstrap of a amd64 system in my machine ? |
| 17:20.05 | Thanatermesis | and compile packages in amd64 architecture ? |
| 17:20.13 | faif | dvs: thanks I'll try this |
| 17:20.25 | valdyn_ | Thanatermesis: this only works completely if you run an amd64 kernel |
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| 17:21.13 | EvilDebian | mount -t smbfs -w -o gid=winusers,username=<user>,password=<password> |
| 17:21.13 | EvilDebian | /winxp-2400/c$ /mnt/winxp-2400 |
| 17:21.18 | EvilDebian | err |
| 17:21.22 | Thanatermesis | valdyn_ mmmh, but i can't posible to boot with a amd64 kernel in my machine, yes ? |
| 17:21.23 | EvilDebian | that is all on one line |
| 17:21.36 | valdyn_ | Thanatermesis: why not? |
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| 17:21.58 | blondie | humm |
| 17:22.04 | Thanatermesis | i don't know... im in a x86 machine valdyn_ , 32 bits, it works ? |
| 17:22.19 | blondie | you're in a computer? |
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| 17:22.26 | zorten | Use "fg" to return to nano Never seent hat before... O_O I should have used VI |
| 17:22.36 | valdyn_ | Thanatermesis: in details: and amd64 debian kernel provides all system calls for 32bit via emulation, but a 32 bit kernel cannot provide 64 bit syscalls |
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| 17:23.17 | valdyn_ | Thanatermesis: oh, if you arent on a amd64 or emt64 machine, then you cannot run 64 bit software.. |
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| 17:23.39 | Thanatermesis | humm... this is interessant valdyn_ , im trying to compile packages for amd64 machines in my 32 bits machine.. then.. do you think is posible ? |
| 17:23.55 | Thanatermesis | i only need to compile.. no run |
| 17:24.00 | EvilDebian | blondie, any ideas? |
| 17:24.04 | Alumni | I want wget to save the downloaded file with a specific file name, such as "file.txt." |
| 17:24.14 | valdyn_ | Thanatermesis: cross compiling is possible, that doesnt involve a 64 bit system or software though |
| 17:24.21 | Alumni | Can't find how to do it in the man page. |
| 17:24.27 | valdyn_ | !cross compile |
| 17:24.38 | blondie | EvilDebian: hmm, does <user> have the right permissions on the XP machine? |
| 17:24.43 | EvilDebian | yes |
| 17:24.49 | EvilDebian | user is an administrator |
| 17:24.53 | blondie | k |
| 17:24.56 | blondie | well |
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| 17:25.02 | blondie | that's not necessarily sufficient, but ok |
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| 17:26.00 | EvilDebian | but this happens even within the user's profile |
| 17:26.11 | EvilDebian | like if i cd to his profile i can't make a new file |
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| 17:26.33 | blondie | hmm dunno |
| 17:26.52 | EvilDebian | ok |
| 17:26.52 | blondie | have you tried setting uid= |
| 17:26.55 | EvilDebian | i'll try the group |
| 17:26.58 | EvilDebian | no |
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| 17:28.26 | EvilDebian | ok i set the uid |
| 17:28.31 | EvilDebian | in the mount command |
| 17:28.34 | Thanatermesis | any link/howto about cross compiling ? |
| 17:28.47 | EvilDebian | and i got this drwxr-xr-x 1 zach winusers 4096 2005-11-26 12:28 winxp-2400 |
| 17:28.52 | EvilDebian | still no write permission |
| 17:28.55 | EvilDebian | for the group or user |
| 17:28.59 | abrotman | maybe ask #samba ? |
| 17:29.03 | EvilDebian | ok |
| 17:29.11 | dvs | EvilDebian: you got it for the user |
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| 17:29.52 | EvilDebian | no, that's root write |
| 17:29.55 | EvilDebian | oh wait |
| 17:29.57 | EvilDebian | hmm |
| 17:30.12 | EvilDebian | you're right |
| 17:30.15 | EvilDebian | ok |
| 17:30.23 | EvilDebian | but how would i make it writable for the group |
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| 17:30.46 | abrotman | the people in #samba know way more about samba than we do |
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| 17:30.57 | EvilDebian | ok asking in there now |
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| 17:34.01 | Xliff | Hello, everyone. Hope your Turkey Days went by with a full stomach. |
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| 17:34.48 | blondie | nope |
| 17:35.00 | blondie | not all american in here you know |
| 17:35.10 | abrotman | what!? |
| 17:35.12 | Alumni | My Turkey Days went by with the flu and kidney trouble. :\ |
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| 17:35.39 | Xliff | Ack! Sorry to hear that, Alumni. |
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| 17:35.56 | Xliff | blondie - Eh, as long as you had a good meal, you're good. ;) |
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| 17:36.19 | Xliff | D'oh |
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| 17:36.44 | Xliff | Note: "good meal" didn't necessarily imply turkey. :P |
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| 17:37.24 | CSMan | hello |
| 17:37.26 | Xliff | Are Debian/Unstable issues fair game for this channel, or is there a better forum for that stuff? |
| 17:37.47 | gravity | Xliff: Fair game, but you should have some idea of what you're doing already... |
| 17:37.49 | Thanatermesis | valdyn_ any howto or link about cross compiling ? i don't found with apt-cache |
| 17:37.50 | CSMan | what's a common reason to have the loopback interface suddenly removed after a reboot ? |
| 17:37.51 | abrotman | they are .. but make sure you check the BTS first |
| 17:37.54 | gravity | Or at least be willing to read a lot |
| 17:38.00 | Xliff | Gravity: Thanks. |
| 17:38.10 | gravity | No problem |
| 17:38.33 | Xliff | OK. Aptitude 0.4.0-3 -- working under 2.4, but segfaulting under 2-6-14. Anyone run into this, yet? |
| 17:38.52 | Xliff | I'm currently trying to get a backtrace, but even gdb is resisting me at the moment. |
| 17:38.54 | idefix | so all this apt-stuff is installed on your PC through the upgrades? |
| 17:38.58 | gravity | aptitude runs fine for me under 2.6.14. Are you sure that's the only change? And does it affect other 2.6 kernels? |
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| 17:39.34 | gravity | idefix: Huh? You seem to have a few misconceptions about what apt is... |
| 17:39.41 | abrotman | Xliff: is it your own kernel ? |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | gravity: he was trolling the other day |
| 17:39.48 | gravity | idefix: If you clarify what you think, we can try and explain it for you |
| 17:39.53 | gravity | abrotman: Oh. Cute. |
| 17:40.05 | Xliff | Something not able to read the symbols because it "can't handle DW_FORM_strp in DWARF reader" |
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| 17:40.11 | Digger_RS6000 | Hello, can somebody please tell me a good channel where I can get more information about installing debian on a IBM RS/6000 F40 PPC ( Power3 ) ___ thx in advance |
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| 17:40.31 | Xliff | abrotman: Yeah. This is a self-compiled kernel. Every other binary kernel I've tried wouldn't boot. |
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| 17:40.36 | cheal | !debianppc |
| 17:40.37 | dpkg | i heard debianppc is the only OS worth using on PowerPC hardware. ask me about #debianppc |
| 17:40.41 | Digger_RS6000 | thx |
| 17:40.42 | Alumni | gravity: Aptitude is fine under 2.6.14, 2.6.13, 2.6.12, 2.6.9, 2.6.8 on x86 and Mac PPC for me. |
| 17:40.50 | gravity | Alumni: Same here |
| 17:40.59 | Xliff | Alumni - Intel boards or AMD? |
| 17:40.59 | gravity | Well, I've only tested on PPC with 2.6.14 |
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| 17:41.05 | gravity | But all the others and more |
| 17:41.05 | Alumni | Xliff: Intel. |
| 17:41.08 | Xliff | Gravity, too. |
| 17:41.10 | idefix | ok, apt is like a command, it has some extensions apt-get, apt-cache and what these all do I have to find out in the future |
| 17:41.12 | Xliff | OK. I'm on an AMD board. |
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| 17:41.19 | Xliff | Wonder if that makes a diff. |
| 17:41.29 | abrotman | i doubt amd vs intel CPUs matter .. chipset maybe .. but CPU.. doubtful |
| 17:41.31 | Thanatermesis | !crosscompiling |
| 17:41.31 | dvs | Xliff: what chipset? |
| 17:41.35 | Thanatermesis | !crosscompile |
| 17:41.35 | gravity | I don't have AMD, but weird issues keep popping up with it |
| 17:41.50 | Alumni | Xliff: Alot of boards for AMD CPUs have crappy chipets. I'm not saying the CPU itself is bad. |
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| 17:41.56 | idefix | is my PC too damn slow (333MHz) to run linux on? |
| 17:42.05 | Xliff | VIA |
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| 17:42.15 | Alumni | Try deleting /root/.aptitude? |
| 17:42.16 | resiak | idefix: No |
| 17:42.18 | dvs | idefix: no way. It depends on what you're running |
| 17:42.19 | Xliff | idefix: No |
| 17:42.20 | dvs | !beer me |
| 17:42.20 | Alumni | idefix: No! |
| 17:42.45 | Alumni | idefix: I've run Debian on even a 90 MHz IBM desktop. |
| 17:42.55 | Xliff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.17 | Xliff | Let me make sure and drop back to 2.4 to see if this still works. |
| 17:43.47 | Xliff | But that's what I was on, earlier and it was just fine. Just got the 2.6.14 selfcompile to boot, for that matter. |
| 17:43.58 | Xliff | For some strange reason, the binary packages weren't generating an initrd. |
| 17:44.15 | dvs | Xliff: how did you compile them? kernel-package? |
| 17:44.18 | Alumni | idefix: I even ran it on a 60 MHz machine. |
| 17:44.19 | Xliff | Yes |
| 17:44.28 | dvs | Xliff: you forgot the --initrd option |
| 17:44.28 | Xliff | Using linux-source-2.6.14 |
| 17:44.56 | Alumni | idefix: Avoid aptitude on anything less than 133 MHz if you don't want to wait a long time for the cache to load at aptitude startup. ;) |
| 17:45.11 | Xliff | dvs: :) -- For .debs? |
| 17:45.20 | dvs | Xliff: for make-kpkg |
| 17:45.29 | Xliff | No. I got it working when I used make-kpkg |
| 17:45.37 | resiak | Xliff: Because you needed to install yaird or initramfs-tools ? |
| 17:45.55 | Xliff | It was the .deb files that were borked. No initrd, so no /dev/hda1 and no root partition. |
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| 17:46.04 | resiak | Xliff: Because you needed to install yaird or initramfs-tools ? |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | Xliff: that's what they're telling you .. you did it wrong |
| 17:46.11 | zinx | Alumni: apt-get/dpkg take a while to load cache as well |
| 17:46.12 | Xliff | resiak: Nope. The binaries spam a warning if that's the case. |
| 17:46.14 | abrotman | !kp |
| 17:46.15 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 17:46.18 | Xliff | And they were installed afterwards. |
| 17:46.18 | resiak | Xliff: I see |
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| 17:47.40 | Xliff | Wonder if it's because i have generic x86 support compiled in |
| 17:48.36 | Xliff | Huh! |
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| 17:48.48 | Xliff | Well, now it's broken on 2.4 |
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| 17:51.36 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:51.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:51.59 | resiak | !afo |
| 17:51.59 | dpkg | azeem for ops! |
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| 17:52.32 | Thanatermesis | what is the support of cross-compiling in debian ? |
| 17:52.37 | difeta | I'm sshed into my box, how can I load a proram on tha active X display? |
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| 17:53.20 | gravity | !ssh |
| 17:53.20 | dpkg | i heard ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client |
| 17:53.22 | gravity | !sshx |
| 17:53.22 | dpkg | i guess sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 17:53.45 | gravity | Sorry, the latter one is the one I wanted |
| 17:53.56 | difeta | gravity, thats not what I"m looking for |
| 17:54.15 | gravity | difeta: So yeah, just enable it in the ssh server, and use ssh -X when logging in to your box |
| 17:54.18 | resiak | difeta: DISPLAY=:0.0 (or whatever) foo bar baz |
| 17:54.19 | gravity | It should work then |
| 17:54.26 | abrotman | yay .. resiak has rabies |
| 17:54.31 | difeta | once again. not what I"m looking to do |
| 17:54.45 | dvs | I thought it was saminela? ;-) |
| 17:54.56 | difeta | I'm sshed into my box and I want to run a gui on that boxe's X Display |
| 17:55.00 | difeta | not mine |
| 17:55.06 | resiak | difeta: You want to load a program on the X display running on the box that you ssh'd into? I just showed you how to. |
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| 17:55.28 | cyzie | im looking a tool in linux which allow me to edit video, in windows, i have adobe premier |
| 17:56.03 | gravity | weird, but yeah. resiak told you |
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| 17:56.23 | difeta | resiak, sorry, that looked similar to the previous |
| 17:56.30 | resiak | gravity: It's probably DISPLAY=:0.0 gmessage omg ufag1111 |
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| 17:56.36 | l3m | cyzie: kino |
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| 17:56.40 | steve | hi |
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| 17:57.01 | valdyn_ | difeta: ssh -X yourbox ( and before you do that, fix /etc/ssh/sshd_config to enable X11Forwarding and restart ssh |
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| 17:57.14 | steve | on boot i see that a disk hdm exists (its a maxtor disk) but my dev filesystem only goes to hdh, anyone knows how to solve that? or why hdm is not created? |
| 17:57.25 | resiak | valdyn_: Have you missed like all the discussion about how that's not what difeta wants? |
| 17:57.32 | cyzie | thanks l3m . any other software/applications do u aware of ? |
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| 17:58.01 | valdyn_ | resiak: yea, i just read what he asked for |
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| 17:59.57 | abrotman | verizon doesn't sell cable broadband |
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| 18:00.42 | valdyn_ | steve: you have 14 ide disks? |
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| 18:01.19 | Thanatermesis | i need to build binutils and another things for cross compiling or i have all in debian packages ? |
| 18:01.31 | abrotman | zorten: veriZon |
| 18:01.37 | l3m | cyzie: cinelerra |
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| 18:01.49 | zorten | Some times my gramer scares me. -_- |
| 18:01.56 | resiak | abrotman: coCk |
| 18:02.07 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 18:02.10 | zorten | abrotman YAY glad you said that. i was leaning that way becasue it is cheaper. |
| 18:02.14 | Xliff | Eh... Effin weird. |
| 18:02.22 | Xliff | Tried it from the non-root user and aptitude works. |
| 18:02.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:02.26 | mymayer | abrotman: what can that be. when i restart my system, he cannot start the network interface anymore. The i musst start it with ifconfig eth1 IP MASK and route add default gw myrouter |
| 18:02.31 | abrotman | zorten: dunno .. some people hate thier verizon dsl |
| 18:02.44 | gravity | My verizon is fine |
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| 18:02.48 | abrotman | mymayer: on your kubuntu machine ? |
| 18:02.53 | resiak | Aren't veriCock the ones who block non-.us mail? |
| 18:02.53 | gravity | Although their mail support is kinda crap |
| 18:02.57 | mymayer | my server |
| 18:03.04 | mymayer | i wnated to configure its network |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | mymayer: etherconf |
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| 18:03.23 | mymayer | ok |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | gravity: it's pretty sad when comcast charges 15-20/month .. and verizon sucks so bad around here they still choose comcast :) |
| 18:03.46 | gravity | heh |
| 18:03.47 | loca|host | hello i've installed kdevelop on my debian sarge, the IDE for C/C++ wont work, the IDE (multilanguage) is working but it's simply an editor i dont know how it works, and the kdevelop designer is generating an exception at boot |
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| 18:04.16 | abrotman | anyhting in the BTS ? |
| 18:04.38 | resiak | loca|host: What's the exception? |
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| 18:05.24 | cheal | loca|host: menu items are known to be broken |
| 18:05.32 | cheal | loca|host: see #debian-kde for other issues |
| 18:05.34 | loca|host | Kdevelop - The KDE Crash Handler |
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| 18:06.08 | loca|host | cheal, 'are known to be broken' how exactly ? |
| 18:06.16 | abrotman | cheal: in sarge ? |
| 18:06.32 | cyzie | thanks l3m, Thanatermesis ;) |
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| 18:07.25 | cheal | loca|host: you click on most kdevelop items and nothing happens |
| 18:07.43 | gravity | In sarge? That's kinda scary |
| 18:07.45 | cheal | except for the multilanguage one, as you said |
| 18:07.49 | cheal | abrotman: unfortunately |
| 18:07.55 | simpletron | hi |
| 18:07.57 | gravity | \o/ q&a |
| 18:08.10 | loca|host | cheal, and what's the solution for that ? |
| 18:08.16 | cheal | gravity: hehe, it's happening on all the PCs in our school's labs |
| 18:08.18 | simpletron | the stable version of debian(sarge) is usefull now? |
| 18:08.22 | abrotman | cheal: see .. KDE sucks .. |
| 18:08.43 | gravity | simpletron: Why would it not be? |
| 18:08.49 | cheal | loca|host: ...using the multilanguage menu item, or fixing/creating new items for other stuff |
| 18:09.05 | abrotman | gravity: not Q&A .. just QA :) |
| 18:09.12 | simpletron | i mean i used woody (2002) and i ciant do much thing |
| 18:09.18 | loca|host | cheal, and what is the multilanguage kdevelop is intended for ? how to let it compile/build my C code |
| 18:09.23 | hcy | anyone know how you add accents/diatrics when using a non-english keymap, in gnome/linux/debian? |
| 18:09.25 | gravity | simpletron: What do you need to do? |
| 18:09.41 | cheal | loca|host: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:09.42 | simpletron | gravity: kde, amarok, cups, mplayer |
| 18:09.45 | abrotman | hcy: there is a character map |
| 18:09.57 | cheal | !tell simpletron about mplayer |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | hcy: applications -> accessories -> character map |
| 18:10.04 | gravity | simpletron: All but mplayer are in sarge. mplayer will never be in Debian really, but it's available pretty easily |
| 18:10.10 | loca|host | cheal, i got no reply |
| 18:10.22 | simpletron | why mplayer never will be in debian? |
| 18:10.26 | gravity | simpletron: It's not the newest stuff, but then again sarge was released a number of months ago |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | because it sucks |
| 18:10.33 | gravity | simpletron: Because of legal issues |
| 18:10.38 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 18:10.38 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 18:10.38 | simpletron | ok |
| 18:10.38 | cheal | gravity: hehe. you think the FTP team has something against christian marillat? :) |
| 18:10.38 | loca|host | can u get me out this situation if u have resolved this in your school's lab ? cheal. |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | !tell loca|host about u |
| 18:10.54 | cheal | !u |
| 18:10.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:11.04 | gravity | simpletron: And because the mplayer developers haven't been very forthcoming about how legally clean their code is |
| 18:11.18 | simpletron | ok |
| 18:11.18 | cheal | loca|host: I didn't resolve it, I'm only a student complaining about missing packages in the lab :) |
| 18:11.28 | abrotman | kingsley_: could you count the instances of l33t words? .. u, ur, wud, any1, thx , etc |
| 18:11.32 | zorten | what dose mplayer handel? All media? |
| 18:11.34 | hcy | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 18:11.36 | cheal | loca|host: as I said, ask #debian-kde |
| 18:11.37 | gravity | abrotman: :-) |
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| 18:11.39 | loca|host | cheal, oki :) |
| 18:11.46 | gravity | abrotman: Fuck that shit |
| 18:12.00 | abrotman | gravity: which shit? the counting .. or the l33t words ? |
| 18:12.04 | cheal | zorten: yes, using the magic_all_media library |
| 18:12.08 | gravity | abrotman: All of it :-) |
| 18:12.23 | abrotman | gravity: yes .. well .. thanks to antgel my productivity is rising! |
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| 18:12.30 | gravity | Oh yeah? |
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| 18:12.41 | abrotman | antgel: thanks again! |
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| 18:13.20 | valdyn_ | i wonder if this is counted: |
| 18:13.22 | abrotman | gravity: yes .. well .. i'm not sure if you saw the latest graph .. but i'm very very unproductive apparently |
| 18:13.25 | valdyn_ | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 18:15.10 | abrotman | gravity: there's a list .. and the troll that was in here yesterday .. Abannon666 or whatever .. has more productivity than me :) |
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| 18:15.32 | metaperl | for some reason, I can get on IRC, but I cannot get my web browser to work... |
| 18:15.39 | gravity | hehe |
| 18:15.48 | metaperl | I cant visit google.com or cpan.org or wikipedia.org |
| 18:15.53 | abrotman | metaperl: have you tried more than one web browser ? |
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| 18:16.10 | abrotman | metaperl: are you behind an http proxy ? |
| 18:16.16 | metaperl | abrotman: epiphany and firefox |
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| 18:16.48 | abrotman | metaperl: telnet www.google.com 80 \n GET / |
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| 18:17.27 | metaperl | Trying 64.233.161.104... |
| 18:17.33 | metaperl | it never connects |
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| 18:17.44 | valdyn | metaperl: are you behind a firewall? |
| 18:17.50 | abrotman | metaperl: telnet mail.earthlink.net 25 |
| 18:17.51 | mymayer | abrotman: i used the tool but after configuring it bring me an error |
| 18:17.56 | valdyn | metaperl: are you behind a dsl router? |
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| 18:18.15 | metaperl | wireless cable internet |
| 18:18.18 | mymayer | ifup : could not open .. /etc/network/inteface |
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| 18:18.31 | abrotman | that's not the error |
| 18:18.52 | mymayer | abrotman: but he changed interfaces, looks good. When starting i get a "init modules false" and my network doesn work |
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| 18:19.13 | valdyn | metaperl: try some more websites, via telnet if you like, some ought to work |
| 18:19.26 | metaperl | I can ping lnc.usc.edu |
| 18:19.34 | mymayer | i got to start it manually, ifconfig eth1 up doesnt work to abrotman . I must give in the ip/mask and route everytime |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | mymayer: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 18:19.55 | mymayer | #floos ? |
| 18:19.57 | mymayer | #flood ? |
| 18:20.02 | valdyn | metaperl: not ping, telnet as abrotman told you or some webbrowser |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | no .. #floosie :) |
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| 18:20.25 | mymayer | joke ? |
| 18:20.33 | abrotman | yes ... #flood will be fine |
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| 18:20.36 | metaperl | shucks. ping lnc.usc.edu works... but telnet lnc.usc.edu 80 does not : it just says Trying 128.125.104.140... |
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| 18:21.01 | abrotman | metaperl: telnet mail.earthlink.net 25 |
| 18:21.20 | abrotman | hey . .they run exim! |
| 18:21.22 | metaperl | abrotman: that worked |
| 18:21.35 | metaperl | 220-pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net ESMTP Exim 3.36 #10 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:21:11 -0500 |
| 18:21.41 | abrotman | metaperl: so check your firewall .. see if you shut off your outgoing port 80 somehow |
| 18:21.54 | metaperl | Idont have a firewall |
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| 18:22.12 | abrotman | metaperl: you have no router ? |
| 18:22.16 | metaperl | i have wireless cable internet |
| 18:22.31 | abrotman | and no router ? |
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| 18:22.56 | metaperl | I think there is a wireless router downstairs... i have never messed with it |
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| 18:23.59 | abrotman | metaperl: and if you use a wired connection ? |
| 18:24.15 | metaperl | abrotman: no - what makes you think I use a wired connection? |
| 18:24.28 | nvz | sure is nice to have the main road open again, I can catch the 16A right outside my door :) |
| 18:24.32 | abrotman | metaperl: do you have windows on this laptop ? |
| 18:24.42 | metaperl | hell no |
| 18:24.45 | metaperl | Debian/testing |
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| 18:24.48 | abrotman | !tell loca|host about away |
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| 18:25.27 | rx | hi guys. i've an interesting question for some of you. im making an educational graphical frontend for linux and i want to know if its relatively easy to access video memory directly in linux. im thinking of using vesa v3... and i also want to know how the kernel deal with that? ive been using linux for a long time already but i seriously dont know the kernel internals. will it let access video memory directly liks dos? thanks. |
| 18:25.42 | metaperl | brb |
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| 18:27.34 | baphomet | rx: Better off with linux framebuffer or DirectFB. |
| 18:27.47 | rx | no |
| 18:27.56 | baphomet | X window server isn't part of the kernel, btw. |
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| 18:28.04 | rx | i know |
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| 18:28.35 | rx | i want to make the whole thing kinda os independant |
| 18:28.43 | messia | hi anyone can use awstats + apache2 on debian ? |
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| 18:28.58 | rx | i dont wanna use the framebuffer or directfb...i want to make my foundation on top of vesa v3 specs |
| 18:29.24 | nvz | rx: you can only access that as root |
| 18:29.25 | Xliff | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.26 | baphomet | *shrugs* go with SVGAlib then. (Is that still maintained?) |
| 18:29.32 | beardy | !svgalib |
| 18:29.32 | dpkg | svgalib is probably a full screen graphics library for linux, horiblly unreliable and insecure, or reliable for me..., or _cool_ when your video card is supported and usually makes quake fly!, or can lock up your machine, and force you to reboot |
| 18:29.33 | nvz | rx: your application would need to be suid |
| 18:29.36 | baphomet | Yeah you'll have to run any of it as root. |
| 18:29.39 | gravity | Or you could just write to X11 |
| 18:29.45 | gravity | But then, I'm biased :-) |
| 18:29.46 | Xliff | An old copy of libsigc-2.0 lying around in /usr/local/lib |
| 18:29.52 | numist | I just broke apt in a post-configuration way... I set repos root for cvs to /dev/null, and the post-install script fails, and I cant find where to reset the settings, when I try to remove/install, it finds my old choice somewhere and dies |
| 18:29.53 | Xliff | That's what was killing aptitude. |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman | gravity: can you fix fenio's packages so they don't make X implode!?!? |
| 18:30.30 | rx | well |
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| 18:30.43 | gravity | fenio? |
| 18:30.49 | rx | so i assume thats what X11 does? |
| 18:31.02 | adamy | i cant seem to find openssh-server for some reason: E: Couldn't find package openssh-server |
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| 18:31.07 | abrotman | gravity: Fenski |
| 18:31.12 | gravity | abrotman: What's the package? |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | gravity: the unofficial warzone packages :) |
| 18:31.39 | gravity | heh, what's the error? |
| 18:31.43 | abrotman | gravity: X implodes |
| 18:31.52 | gravity | No error? Just death? |
| 18:31.56 | beardy | rx: Do you really want to make something from the ground up, probably nicer to use X, gtk or qt or other and do what you want. gtk is available for win32 as well. |
| 18:31.57 | abrotman | gravity: it's probably related to the GL screensaver thing from XFree |
| 18:32.07 | gravity | Heh, DRI is notoriously problematic |
| 18:32.15 | abrotman | gravity: well .. no no error .. just the grey screen of death :) |
| 18:32.23 | gravity | Grey screen of death? |
| 18:32.31 | abrotman | you know .. when X goes poof |
| 18:32.35 | Xliff | Ahhh.... aptitude in 132x40x8 --- tain't nuthin' betta |
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| 18:32.44 | gravity | It usually just either freezes hardocre on me or cuts to console |
| 18:33.10 | gravity | s/ocre/core/ |
| 18:33.12 | abrotman | it is a freeeze |
| 18:33.18 | abrotman | but there's nothing on the screen |
| 18:33.20 | baphomet | Gtk'll be supported on OS X soon. |
| 18:33.23 | abrotman | if you'd like me to try again .. i can |
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| 18:33.27 | rx | i _need_ to make something from the ground up |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | baphomet: wrong channel ? |
| 18:33.31 | mymayer | abrotman: thank you, it worked |
| 18:33.40 | abrotman | mymayer: can i go back to my game now ? |
| 18:33.44 | rx | i dont wanna use X11 nor Windows |
| 18:33.46 | nvz | rx: you mean you cant use a widget toolkit or anything? |
| 18:33.48 | baphomet | No was just following up someone else's comment about that being good for cross platform. |
| 18:33.52 | mymayer | abrotman: hehe yes, your the angel today :) |
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| 18:33.54 | gravity | abrotman: If you want to get a backtrace, that's fine although I can't do much with it right now |
| 18:34.04 | gravity | rx: Why? |
| 18:34.05 | rx | i cant |
| 18:34.06 | abrotman | gravity: i'm not sure if i can .. |
| 18:34.13 | beardy | rx: No one suggested that. |
| 18:34.15 | abrotman | gravity: i might wait for the next Xorg updates to try again |
| 18:34.15 | gravity | abrotman: Ok |
| 18:34.31 | gravity | abrotman: That's fine. 6.9 RC2 is available, and the final should be done soon |
| 18:34.36 | beardy | oh, thought you said "X11 on".. |
| 18:34.42 | abrotman | gravity: if i go poof! .. you're in big trouble! |
| 18:34.43 | gravity | Although it may not hit unstable for a bit. I need to get RM approval. |
| 18:35.00 | rx | im making a graphical foundation for some specific purpose... research, gui experimentations, small game development |
| 18:35.05 | nvz | gravity: he's making an "educational" program to educate people on how stupid it can be to do things in an insecure and difficult manner to reinvent the wheel. |
| 18:35.12 | baphomet | rx: What about SDL? |
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| 18:35.15 | gravity | ... |
| 18:35.21 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 18:35.34 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 18:35.42 | amorphix | does anyone know the url of a website which has a form for checking wireless nic compatibility (pcmcia) |
| 18:35.59 | nvz | rx: bottom line, this is off-topic here, especially if you are not going to use _any_ existing API or toolkits |
| 18:36.05 | amorphix | i found it earlier but cant find it now! |
| 18:36.14 | rx | nvz: no. you're obviously saying anything. |
| 18:36.21 | rx | im asking a simple question |
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| 18:36.30 | beardy | rx: So, you want it grapical, but not use framebuffer, svgalib or X? How do you plan on doing that really? You will have a lot of work before you, and it will take a long time before you can use it for something usable. (I would guess.) |
| 18:36.32 | Fox_1_ | when i start bind9 my mc doesn't work. when i write /etc/init.d/bind9 stop, mc start working:) whats the problem? |
| 18:36.34 | nvz | rx: a simply off-topic question |
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| 18:36.51 | gravity | rx: Check out directfb, although depending on what you want to do, you could get by with GLUT and GL's point setting function |
| 18:37.04 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. i probably shouldn't mess with it .. i just had to xkill it :) |
| 18:37.08 | baphomet | You trying to use bind9 as DNS before your ISP's? |
| 18:37.14 | gravity | abrotman: Fun :-) |
| 18:37.16 | gravity | Yay DRI |
| 18:37.17 | amorphix | hi |
| 18:37.39 | Fox_1_ | baphomet yes |
| 18:37.42 | rx | beardy: well i want to make a foundation to experiment stuff, and like i said, i want it to be almost os independant |
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| 18:37.47 | abrotman | gravity: well . they are unofficial packages |
| 18:38.05 | doleyb | rx: for OS-indep experiments, libSDL is great. |
| 18:38.10 | nvz | rx: you got directfb, svgalib, sdl, gtk, wxwindows..etc you've turned them all down. They are all OS independant except directfb |
| 18:38.12 | gravity | rx: OS independant will be hard. GLUT + very basic GL will get you what you want, but you won't be writing to the hardware directly |
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| 18:38.17 | beardy | rx: WHy ask in a distribution specific channel then, at least ask in #linux, or #os, or such. |
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| 18:38.25 | gravity | rx: If you insist on writing directly to the hardware, you can't do it in an OS-independant manner. |
| 18:38.32 | gravity | rx: That's how OS's work |
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| 18:38.52 | rx | well, by making a thin layer between vesa and the os...it could be possible |
| 18:39.02 | nvz | ah, we are getting back to how off-topic this is. |
| 18:39.02 | rx | a thin layer will be always required anyway |
| 18:39.06 | gravity | Check out the code in the X server then |
| 18:39.10 | beardy | rx: And that's what everything you turn down is for. |
| 18:39.17 | nvz | yeah that layer has been developed time and time again |
| 18:39.20 | gravity | Or, again, directfb |
| 18:39.31 | nvz | real programmers dont reinvent the wheel without good reason |
| 18:39.56 | xoz | GNU is a reinvention of UNIX |
| 18:39.57 | rx | real programmers often want to do everything on their own to learn more |
| 18:39.59 | gravity | If you want to reimplement directfb then feel free |
| 18:40.03 | gravity | xoz: For good reason |
| 18:40.06 | amorphix | anyone know if 3com OfficeConnect(tm) pcmcia wireless is supported? |
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| 18:40.10 | beardy | xoz: With a good reason. |
| 18:40.12 | baphomet | No, they argue about which toolkit to build their wheel making application with. |
| 18:40.13 | nvz | xoz: there was oubviously a good reason for that |
| 18:40.15 | rx | god dammit accesing video memory isnt like writing an os from scratch |
| 18:40.29 | aeronadix | there's never a good reason, only a good way and intention |
| 18:40.29 | gravity | rx: Have you looked at directfb? |
| 18:40.30 | chea1 | amorphix: check the chipset |
| 18:40.33 | rx | yes |
| 18:40.37 | rx | i know what it is |
| 18:40.40 | gravity | rx: Why doesn't it meet your needs? |
| 18:40.45 | nvz | rx: no but its completly dependant on one hardware platform and video card |
| 18:41.04 | rx | it probably does everything i want...but i would still like to write my "own layer" |
| 18:41.06 | nvz | rx: do you really want to program shit for every possible video hardware you will support, then port it to every OS? |
| 18:41.21 | beardy | rx: Start doing so then? |
| 18:41.24 | gravity | rx: Then just re-write directfb. What's the problem? |
| 18:41.27 | amorphix | chea1 i dont have the card |
| 18:41.33 | nvz | there are old dos games that only supported certain cards.. this is because they did dumb shit like you want to do. |
| 18:41.36 | mymayer | why i can only mount NFS drives as roote ? |
| 18:41.43 | rx | well vesa is a standard... |
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| 18:41.59 | amorphix | mymayer: maybe the user doesnt have permission? |
| 18:42.00 | gravity | rx: Directfb should have a vesa driver |
| 18:42.03 | gravity | rx: Read it and learn it |
| 18:42.03 | nvz | you are obviously nieve if you think standards mean anything |
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| 18:42.09 | doleyb | rx: so, you intend to make something "educational" regarding a topic you don't know or understand. |
| 18:42.16 | gravity | rx: If that's not good enough, then look at the X server and see how it's done. Copy that. |
| 18:42.23 | gravity | I really don't get what the problem is |
| 18:42.27 | chea1 | amorphix: you shouldn't need the card to know which chipset it has |
| 18:42.38 | mymayer | amorphix: exactly. they have no permission to mount. how can i give specific users this ability ? |
| 18:42.39 | rx | hmm |
| 18:42.41 | gravity | We've told you what to look at. You don't have to *use* DirectFB, but you can at least read the code to learn how it's done |
| 18:42.43 | nvz | I am not supporting this troll anymore.. this is clearly off-topic and heading to a moot point |
| 18:42.45 | rx | wait wait wait. |
| 18:42.50 | rx | i know how to do it under dos |
| 18:42.54 | chealer | amorphix: if you do, consider not buying it |
| 18:43.02 | rx | i was just asking how to access direct memory with the linux kernel |
| 18:43.05 | beardy | rx: Do it on dos then. |
| 18:43.07 | rx | you guys went offtopic :) |
| 18:43.10 | valdyn | mymayer: mount can only be used by root unless the share you want to mount is in /etc/fstab with the user option |
| 18:43.11 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Are you there? |
| 18:43.19 | amorphix | chealer: why? I have a 3com OfficeConnect wired and that works fine in Linux |
| 18:43.20 | beardy | rx: You were offtopic from the start. |
| 18:43.31 | Fox_1_ | ??? |
| 18:43.37 | doleyb | rx: you edit the src to svgalib. |
| 18:43.49 | rx | yeah |
| 18:43.53 | rx | thats a good start |
| 18:43.55 | xoz | !topicsmite rx |
| 18:43.57 | chealer | amorphix: that's not reason to not expect a manufacturer to publish basic specs for its products |
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| 18:43.58 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rx. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:44.15 | amorphix | chealer: they do publish it, 3com is a leading manufacturer |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | kingsley_: kind of .. what's u |
| 18:44.32 | abrotman | up |
| 18:44.35 | chealer | amorphix: then check which chipset the card you talk about uses |
| 18:44.35 | baphomet | lol |
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| 18:44.47 | kingsley_ | abrotman: Are you still interested in l33t words? |
| 18:45.16 | abrotman | kingsley_: that's up to you .. it's more a fit of frustration since the average <25 year old from US can't type whole words |
| 18:45.45 | mymayer | valdyn: thank you |
| 18:45.53 | amorphix | chealer: its Atmel AT76C502 |
| 18:45.54 | nvz | I'm going to hop my ass on the 16A toward Aliquippa here soon, you people get to stay here and be trolled on permasunday, muwhahaha |
| 18:46.12 | abrotman | nvz: yay |
| 18:46.26 | thingfish | yay permasunday |
| 18:46.43 | nvz | Tardsday, when the tards play |
| 18:47.30 | chealer | amorphix: is it a b or what? |
| 18:47.48 | nvz | if the road was still closed and I had to walk a block or two to catch the bus I would just walk all the way to where I am going.. |
| 18:47.59 | nvz | but with it running right past my house again, I will ride :P |
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| 18:50.08 | amorphix | chealer: yes |
| 18:50.18 | chealer | amorphix: it looks supported |
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| 18:50.52 | amorphix | thanks |
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| 18:51.47 | numist | what causes this error, and how do I fix it? : ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:52.20 | chealer | numist: how did you install firefox? |
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| 18:53.20 | numist | chealer: its not installed, its a downloaded program folder, so I imagine theres some 'find your libraries here' magic that I am not familiar with in debian |
| 18:53.38 | numist | LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesnt fix it though |
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| 18:54.07 | chealer | numist: I don't know is there a reason you don't install it? |
| 18:54.09 | paulswm | numist: The magic is to install the debian firefox package, then all dependencies are met |
| 18:54.23 | paulswm | !folder |
| 18:54.23 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 18:54.28 | zinx | it's too bad the debian package can't use the real firefox logo |
| 18:54.29 | numist | chealer: no installer for 1.5rc3, only for 1.07 |
| 18:54.36 | chealer | zinx: hehe |
| 18:54.38 | numist | s/installer/package/ |
| 18:55.00 | chealer | !tell numist abou info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 18:55.18 | chealer | !tell numist about info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 18:55.20 | numist | send me a message damnit |
| 18:55.22 | numist | ah hah |
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| 18:55.49 | Poseidon | what's good with using LVM when installing? |
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| 18:55.54 | numist | what repos? |
| 18:56.11 | chealer | !tell numist about experimental |
| 18:56.12 | numist | and... without upgrading my entire system to unstable? |
| 18:56.23 | numist | *cough* ^^ |
| 18:56.28 | numist | I dont want to run sid, done that before |
| 18:56.45 | chealer | numist: experimental doesn't mean you need to run sid |
| 18:56.53 | chealer | but you'd probably need to run etch |
| 18:57.23 | numist | I am running etch |
| 18:57.38 | numist | hrm, dpkg tells you everything you need to know except how to get them :P |
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| 18:58.14 | chealer | getting experimental packages is like getting packages from any release |
| 18:58.33 | chealer | check what dependencies installing it would fetch and see if that's acceptable |
| 18:58.33 | porao | hi, i have just upgraded my package tree |
| 18:58.38 | porao | but now system i unstable |
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| 18:58.56 | porao | i want to rollback changes |
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| 18:59.05 | chealer | !tell porao about downgrade |
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| 18:59.15 | gravity | porao: Not possible |
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| 18:59.19 | gravity | Well, not really possible |
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| 18:59.24 | paulswm | porao: restore from backup. You do have a backup, right? :) |
| 18:59.30 | numist | so downloading the binary and then telling it where to find the libraries is not possible? seems like that would be eaiser than fooling around with experimental and missing dependancies in sid |
| 18:59.38 | porao | :D |
| 18:59.39 | porao | no |
| 18:59.48 | paulswm | !beat porao |
| 18:59.58 | porao | no important things on that hd |
| 19:00.02 | porao | i dont mind |
| 19:00.04 | chealer | numist: it's probably possible. I just said I didn't know how. |
| 19:00.06 | paulswm | Then reinstall |
| 19:00.06 | gravity | porao: Re-install is your easiest option |
| 19:00.09 | numist | :/ |
| 19:00.13 | porao | yeah, i know |
| 19:00.26 | doleyb | numist: how firefox's binary tgz distribution finds it's libs is a non-#debian question. |
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| 19:00.46 | porao | but i thought that exists any manner to synchronize my packets structure |
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| 19:00.49 | porao | with any distro |
| 19:01.05 | porao | deleting and intalling old packets |
| 19:01.09 | porao | packages* |
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| 19:01.35 | daft | If i want to apt-get remove every thing that has to do with kde what package sould i remove? |
| 19:01.36 | gravity | porao: No, because the packages involve a lot of hand-crafting to get right. As a result, only upgrades are supported. |
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| 19:01.55 | gravity | daft: libqt? |
| 19:02.05 | chealer | !tell daft about remove kde |
| 19:02.15 | daft | ty |
| 19:02.23 | bDerrly | how do i get remove a package that refuses to be removed with dpkg, dselect or apt? |
| 19:02.29 | jerome | bonsoir. While dist-upgrading, I had an error with udev about /dev/.udev/db/ not being a folder (does not exists) /dev/.udevdb/ exists however. Is there an error in the udev pkg or some paths being obsolete ? (querybts udev is kinda big to browse) |
| 19:02.41 | chealer | bDerrly: how does it refuse? |
| 19:02.52 | bDerrly | chealer, dpkg: error processing cupsys-driver-gimpprint (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:02.58 | chealer | jerome: which release? |
| 19:03.03 | jerome | chealer: sid |
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| 19:03.24 | chealer | jerome: if your run sid, checking the BTS is your "duty" |
| 19:03.48 | jerome | chealer: pb solved with mkdir -p /dev/.udev/db/ tho, but I don't really know about "obsolence" of some paths |
| 19:03.52 | paulswm | Heh, indeed, sid will break so no shock horror film at 11 story |
| 19:03.53 | doleyb | jerome: workaround, mkdir /dev/.udev/db |
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| 19:04.25 | jerome | doleyb: did that already, I was just wondering about the path I had to keep |
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| 19:04.31 | chealer | jerome: check for info in the S |
| 19:04.32 | jerome | doleyb: mkdir -p btw |
| 19:04.35 | chealer | BS |
| 19:04.37 | chealer | damn |
| 19:04.38 | bDerrly | chealer, i can't seem to get a better error message than that. is there a way to skip the prerm and postrm scripts? |
| 19:04.39 | chealer | BTS |
| 19:05.05 | bucky | jerome: according to the bts you need to reboot after upgrading to udev afaik |
| 19:05.06 | jerome | #340832 it seems (I did not scrollback enough) |
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| 19:05.48 | jerome | bucky: that will be done sooner or later anyway |
| 19:06.05 | bucky | jerome: look at the bts |
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| 19:06.23 | chealer | bDerrly: I don't know. it may be a bug in postrm or something abnormal in your system. you could try reading the script |
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| 19:06.40 | bDerrly | chealer, i've been trying to figure out how to get at it, the postrm script that is |
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| 19:07.08 | chealer | bDerrly: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 19:07.14 | bDerrly | thanks |
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| 19:08.34 | Alumni | *sighs heavily* |
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| 19:08.55 | Alumni | I need wget to save the file with a specific file name but I can't find out how. |
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| 19:09.54 | bDerrly | chealer, thanks! i don't know why it was barfing on that postrm script as it only tried to reload cupsys, but eh, i got it removed now :) |
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| 19:10.14 | chealer | bDerrly: hum, ok |
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| 19:11.11 | Alumni | wget http://www.foobar.org/file.txt - I want the file saved as what I specify, for example, file.rde |
| 19:11.16 | bucky | Alumni: what's wrong... you can't use mv to rename the file after downloading it? |
| 19:11.24 | takatumi | Alumni: -O foo |
| 19:11.29 | Alumni | bucky: Not with alot of work. |
| 19:11.38 | Alumni | (Scripting) |
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| 19:11.57 | baphomet | wget http://server.com/file.txt; mv $_ bettername.text |
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| 19:13.05 | baphomet | Bugger I just rethought that. |
| 19:13.13 | mymayer | how letting the NFS server set the uid/guid when someone connects =? |
| 19:13.14 | zorten | There is no way to safely alter the NTFS Indexes from a mount in Linux is there? |
| 19:13.27 | baphomet | mv $(basename $_) othername.text |
| 19:14.12 | mymayer | zorten: i tried it two times |
| 19:14.30 | POVaddct | baphomet: or use the -O option of wget |
| 19:14.31 | mymayer | it blowd the NTFS partition and the fat32 beside |
| 19:14.43 | baphomet | No was just commenting on the 'lot of work'. |
| 19:14.47 | zorten | Ouch O_O |
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| 19:15.22 | blockd_ | I think -O is only useful here if it's just one file per wget or you don't mind if all documents are in the same file |
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| 19:17.22 | mymayer | how letting the NFS server set the uid/guid when someone connects ? |
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| 19:24.30 | Fox_1_ | how can i know memory size which debian use? |
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| 19:24.44 | numist | top? |
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| 19:25.57 | beardy | Fox_1_: free(1), and the important numbers are on the -/+ buffers/cache line. |
| 19:26.00 | Fox_1_ | top show that debian doesn't use swap memory. is it right? |
| 19:26.11 | shib | what's the command to take a screenshot? |
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| 19:26.33 | beardy | shib: scrot, The Gimp, and so on. |
| 19:27.22 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 19:27.23 | bucky | Fox_1_: have you looked at it fourth line down |
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| 19:27.25 | beardy | Fox_1_: Yes, if nothing is needed to be swapped, nothing will be. |
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| 19:27.53 | Fox_1_ | bucky what? |
| 19:27.58 | bucky | Fox_1_: top |
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| 19:28.52 | daEAGLEmon | is there a bit torrent for latest stable net install cd? |
| 19:29.22 | Fox_1_ | top write: Swap: 107608k total, 0k used, 107608k free, 126652k cached |
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| 19:30.30 | Fox_1_ | and what is it: tmpfs 128552 0 128552 0% /dev/shm (it's from df) |
| 19:30.31 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 19:31.09 | mymayer | what is wrong here ? : sudo mount sweethome:/home/storage /mnt/nfs/storage/ rsize=20000 wsize=20000 |
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| 19:32.15 | corp-mule | how ironic |
| 19:32.15 | corp-mule | I'm watching a movie wherein chuck norris is watching a really corny movie on his tv! |
| 19:32.15 | corp-mule | how ironic |
| 19:32.24 | bucky | !tell Fox_1_ about grounding |
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| 19:33.30 | Epod69 | hey everyone, is anyone here good with nfs |
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| 19:34.12 | blondie | !anyone |
| 19:34.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:34.40 | Epod69 | whenever i mount a remote share, the files all show as -rw------- and I cant do anything with the files, it says permission denied |
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| 19:35.15 | daEAGLEmon | the reason for my question is only os i have running right now is win xp and for some reason if i use anything other than bittorrent is stops the d/l after about 10% done, wondering if ms has done something to prevent d/l's of linux isos |
| 19:35.21 | alanleclech | bonjour |
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| 19:36.04 | e1z0 | hi |
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| 19:36.51 | chealer | daEAGLEmon: hah |
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| 19:37.00 | alanleclech | 010101011011011010110011 |
| 19:37.02 | blockd_ | Epod69: are you root? Do both users have the same uid/gid locally and on the NFS server? |
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| 19:37.13 | bucky | daEAGLEmon: ever use getright ? |
| 19:37.21 | daEAGLEmon | nope |
| 19:37.29 | bucky | it's a windows thing |
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| 19:38.17 | daEAGLEmon | Kerr, i'll check it out, getright is the name of it? |
| 19:38.30 | daEAGLEmon | heh ok |
| 19:38.48 | daEAGLEmon | typed "k" came out Kerr |
| 19:39.16 | daEAGLEmon | damn nick completion |
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| 19:42.09 | ajkroll | o/~ Ich bin ein auslander o/~ |
| 19:42.17 | Fox_1_ | i have server with apache, i have one real IP and the site in that server. now what nameservers i must write in domain???? |
| 19:42.44 | tarzeau | ich bin eine zitrone |
| 19:42.49 | ajkroll | fox: u want virtual hosting? |
| 19:43.13 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 19:43.21 | deadcat | !u |
| 19:43.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:43.29 | ajkroll | then use the name that the ip actually reverses to |
| 19:43.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:43.30 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 19:43.43 | Fox_1_ | i have bought domain |
| 19:44.00 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll you mean my real ip? |
| 19:44.19 | ajkroll | fox: and your provider placed the domain name in thier dns for reverse lookup? |
| 19:44.28 | ajkroll | fox: yes |
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| 19:44.47 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll no i didn't buy domain from my ISP |
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| 19:44.53 | ajkroll | your provider needs to put the reverse in thier dns |
| 19:45.05 | ajkroll | they do not charge for that |
| 19:45.32 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll so i must tell my ISP that add my domain name in there dns? |
| 19:45.44 | blockd_ | no... |
| 19:45.45 | ajkroll | fox: for an example, nslookup -sil 24.97.86.1 |
| 19:45.53 | Miesco | My computer came with like a soundcard for 5.1, I use hardware mixing when I had windows, but I dont know what to do to play 2 things at once on debian |
| 19:46.00 | Miesco | I am using Alsa |
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| 19:46.15 | ajkroll | fox: you SHOULD but do not have to |
| 19:46.15 | blockd_ | Fox_1_: is it this: you bought example.com and you're using your ISP for an IP address... and you want example.com to resolve to your IP address? |
| 19:46.37 | Fox_1_ | blockd_ yes |
| 19:46.38 | daft | what was the command to show all installed .debs? |
| 19:46.42 | Miesco | ajkroll: Do you know what I have to do? |
| 19:47.00 | poop | daft: dpkg -l |
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| 19:47.08 | daft | ty poop |
| 19:47.24 | ajkroll | blocked_: i've had problems with apache and some browsers if the reverse is not identical, but I think that was mostly https related with virtual hosts |
| 19:47.25 | poop | How many times I've said that myself |
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| 19:48.07 | Fox_1_ | blockd_ my ISP's IP address is real |
| 19:48.17 | ajkroll | miesco: no idea... never used alsa |
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| 19:48.32 | Fox_1_ | so that i must to do? |
| 19:48.46 | Fox_1_ | that=what |
| 19:48.53 | blockd_ | Fox_1_: I don't think you can do rDNS the way you want, but just offers DNS service and make your domain use them. |
| 19:49.02 | blockd_ | *but find somebody who offers DNS.... |
| 19:49.10 | ajkroll | personally I like to have fun with my domains |
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| 19:49.44 | ajkroll | nslookup wet.dr.ea.ms for some humor |
| 19:50.04 | daEAGLEmon | bucky, nice can do segment d/l's for quicker d/ling |
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| 19:50.40 | Fox_1_ | in domain options thay have nameserver. |
| 19:51.00 | blockd_ | you need to find one then. I know there are even free ones who take donations. |
| 19:51.00 | Fox_1_ | so how can i attach my IP address to my domain name? |
| 19:51.24 | Miesco | How can I tell if my soundcard is capable of hardware mixing? |
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| 19:52.03 | blockd_ | Fox_1_: this is getting OT but if it's dynamic, check out no-ip.org or dyndns.org. If static then try something like everydns.net. |
| 19:52.11 | blockd_ | Or find something pay |
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| 19:52.26 | diana | I use ifplugd to connect to the internet via live cat5e....It automatically sets up my network when a cable is plugged into my laptop...and I am on the internet...when a cable isn't plugged in...how can I make it so I will automatically grab a wireless access point if one is near and broadcasting ssid. |
| 19:52.46 | valdyn | Miesco: you really mean "if alsa supports my soundcards harware mixing" ? |
| 19:52.58 | Miesco | valdyn: Okay |
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| 19:53.31 | ajkroll | fox_l: do you need someone to host your dns? I'll do it free |
| 19:54.08 | amorphix | can I put an unstable source into my apt sources on a testing system? |
| 19:54.08 | Fox_1_ | listen when we write www.yahoo.com. if ISP's DNS server hasn't information about that it ask from his parent ... At last thay ask from .com and it say the nameservers for that domain(yahoo.com). |
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| 19:54.34 | ajkroll | right... |
| 19:55.21 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll no, because i have server in internet. i want attach my domain name to my server |
| 19:55.23 | Epod69 | hey again, let me try explain better, I have set up a NFS server and I can have my clients mount the shared directories but none of the clients have any permissions to access the files, all of them have -rw------- as permissions, I get a permission denied message whenever I try to access a mounted share file |
| 19:55.23 | ajkroll | then add the entry, it's not that difficult |
| 19:55.24 | Epod69 | what else do I have to do to get remote clients permissions to read the files |
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| 19:55.24 | amorphix | hi |
| 19:55.24 | amorphix | can I put an unstable source into my apt sources on a testing system? |
| 19:55.30 | Fox_1_ | i have good internet line |
| 19:55.52 | nkuttler | amorphix: you can, but the next upgrade will pull unstable packages |
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| 19:56.12 | amorphix | oh |
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| 19:56.12 | nkuttler | amorphix: try /msg dpkg pinning |
| 19:56.17 | amorphix | i should upgrade then eh? |
| 19:56.18 | ajkroll | fox_1: do you havce control of your bind daemon? |
| 19:56.21 | amorphix | thanks |
| 19:56.22 | blockd_ | Fox_1_: I already showed you one way... e.g., everydns.net. That's basically the service you're looking for - not necessarily from them though. |
| 19:56.29 | snowgeese | #kde |
| 19:56.52 | Fox_1_ | i want to say if i write in domain's options nameserver my ip address (server's real ip). does it work? |
| 19:57.00 | ajkroll | yes |
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| 19:57.04 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll i haven't dns server |
| 19:57.06 | valdyn | Miesco: looking at how weirdly /proc alsa stuff is distributed its probably easiest to start your ( alsa supporting ) volume control app and look at which devices are available |
| 19:57.13 | blockd_ | Fox_1_: you don't need one... |
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| 19:57.41 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll the server is mine |
| 19:57.50 | snowgeese | how i find kde room |
| 19:57.51 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll it's mty computer |
| 19:58.05 | ajkroll | that's fine then |
| 19:58.36 | ajkroll | as long as it resolves to your ip, there should be no problem, just make it a virtual host |
| 19:58.54 | snowgeese | #/kde |
| 19:58.55 | valdyn | Miesco: or you read /proc/asound/cardX/pcmXp/info |
| 19:58.57 | ajkroll | you don't have to make it virtual, but it helps |
| 19:59.43 | rking | audio is hard. =( |
| 20:00.34 | blockd_ | Epod69: it's still not really enough info to know what the problem is. |
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| 20:00.40 | Fox_1_ | now if you write my ip address in browser the apache send you my website. now i have bought the domain name (www.debian.am) and now i want to attach them. my IP address is real and static. |
| 20:00.57 | Epod69 | blockd_, what else do you need to know |
| 20:01.08 | porao | debian etch works fine? |
| 20:01.19 | valdyn | porao: no |
| 20:01.19 | blockd_ | Epod69: for one thing, do the uid's and gid's both match? |
| 20:01.29 | porao | valdyn: why? |
| 20:01.45 | valdyn | porao: b/c its unreleased and testing |
| 20:01.49 | Epod69 | here is the exports file /home/jesse/Images/ *(async,all_squash,anongid=1000,anonuid=1000) |
| 20:01.55 | porao | in practise i mean |
| 20:02.14 | porao | anybody is testing it? |
| 20:02.27 | Epod69 | i mount from the clients computer with this command (mount -t nfs 192.168.0.106:/home/jesse/Images /mnt/mydir) |
| 20:02.33 | valdyn | porao: in practise some thing work, some do not, i do not even know what you want to do with testing |
| 20:03.00 | blockd_ | Epod69: OK, all_squash, so everybody gets mapped to nobody |
| 20:03.02 | chealer | porao: people don't test it. they use it and report problems |
| 20:03.06 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll you say that you can give me hosting? |
| 20:03.18 | blockd_ | Epod69: so what are the perms and ownership of the directory you want to read? |
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| 20:03.43 | ajkroll | fox_1: for dns, yes |
| 20:03.50 | Epod69 | the client sees it as -rw------- |
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| 20:04.01 | yang | What is the trick with bittorrent, i get bad user info error? |
| 20:04.04 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll so, you have server with dns server |
| 20:04.05 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 20:04.08 | blockd_ | Epod69: try "chmod o+rx" on it... |
| 20:04.08 | yang | I think there are some port that needs to be enabled? |
| 20:04.22 | ajkroll | fox_1: whomever you bought the domain from, you simply point it to my server and it's done |
| 20:04.27 | Epod69 | and the server reads it as drwxr-xr-x |
| 20:04.31 | ajkroll | yers |
| 20:04.34 | ajkroll | I do |
| 20:04.36 | Epod69 | from the client? |
| 20:04.36 | valdyn | yang: that is more likely your failure to authenticate with the tracker |
| 20:04.53 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll you have one static real ip? |
| 20:04.59 | ajkroll | I have 2 |
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| 20:05.13 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll in the same computer? |
| 20:05.20 | yang | valdyn: I once had the same problem, but then enabled some setting which let me downloading |
| 20:05.22 | ajkroll | nope, on two machines |
| 20:05.42 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll and two machines have dns? |
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| 20:06.07 | extr3m | is there an linux "flash utility" that works like "winflash" for windows? so one can update bios easily? |
| 20:06.09 | ajkroll | one has the bind server, I have a friend in seattle that handles my secondary DNS |
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| 20:06.55 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll so, how i must point my domain to your server? |
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| 20:07.26 | ajkroll | it's a bit more complex than just pointing... I will need to know the domain name, and the IP you want the name pointed at |
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| 20:07.42 | dave | anyone know why I cant do an apt-get install gambas from debian.org |
| 20:07.47 | Miesco | asldfjsal;f |
| 20:07.49 | Miesco | IT WORKS |
| 20:07.51 | Usiu | Hi, was texlive moved to experimental ? cause tug.org/texlive is down.. |
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| 20:08.00 | dave | btw i |
| 20:08.11 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll and what you'll do? you'll write something in your dns? |
| 20:08.13 | dave | btw I have debian linux on a SPARC |
| 20:08.26 | ajkroll | fox_1: yes, and then you simply point it at my server and your done |
| 20:08.27 | valdyn | !info gambas |
| 20:08.35 | dpkg | gambas: (Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.0.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 963 kB, Installed size: 2192 kB |
| 20:08.38 | blockd_ | Epod69: sorry, I'm not sure why you're seeing two different sets of perms |
| 20:08.40 | gravity | dave: It's there for x86. Try it and see. |
| 20:08.42 | tarzeau | dave: nice, which sparc? |
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| 20:09.15 | Fritz83 | can i ask a question? |
| 20:09.16 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll so, in domain's option in nameserver i must write your server's IP? |
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| 20:09.30 | ajkroll | when we get to that point, yes |
| 20:09.41 | dave | sun 4u Ultra 10 with sunffb Creator3d gfx - I need gambas for the SPARC apt-get refuses to see the pkgs |
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| 20:09.47 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll just one IP? |
| 20:09.56 | ajkroll | yup |
| 20:10.01 | valdyn | dave: look at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:10.09 | Fritz83 | can i ask to ask a question? |
| 20:10.10 | dave | yea |
| 20:10.26 | dave | yeah I tried to install them manually by hand with kpackage but it got really messy |
| 20:10.31 | dave | and didn;t work |
| 20:10.37 | gravity | Fritz83: If you have a question just ask. If someone can help you they will. |
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| 20:10.55 | ajkroll | fox_1: email me <a@oo.ms> the domain, the host name and the IP you want the host name pointed at |
| 20:11.02 | tarzeau | dave: and installing from source/manually? |
| 20:11.04 | DJ_Necrogami | how do i set eth0 up for manual? |
| 20:11.06 | valdyn | dave: so you are tying to manually install a testing or sid package on your sarge system? |
| 20:11.09 | ajkroll | I'll email you back when you can point at it |
| 20:11.23 | tarzeau | DJ_Necrogami: ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 20:11.26 | Epod69 | blockd_, i did change the annoyomous uid to 1000 in the exports file which should make the clients log in as the user from the server, right? |
| 20:11.39 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll so, that mean, that i can run DNS server in my own server, then add my domain there? |
| 20:11.49 | Fritz83 | ne1 asl plz? |
| 20:11.52 | Usiu | is texLive in experimental ?! |
| 20:11.57 | ajkroll | you could yes, and I'd be more than happy to secondary for you |
| 20:12.05 | dave | the source build wanted a lot of stuff I didn't have sml,sdl,qt on and on.. I figured apt-get was easiest |
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| 20:12.28 | tarzeau | Usiu: it'll be if it's not yet |
| 20:12.30 | ajkroll | I secondary for about 10 domains now |
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| 20:12.49 | DJ_Necrogami | taz NOT dhcp manually |
| 20:13.19 | DJ_Necrogami | i need to set it up manually |
| 20:13.22 | DJ_Necrogami | not dhcp |
| 20:13.26 | Usiu | tarzeau, thx... the I have sth messed up in my source.list |
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| 20:14.07 | gravity | My ruby is so rusty :-( |
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| 20:14.11 | dave | valdyn: I tried the source install first but the make/build wants to see a lot of the other supposedly optional components there and I don;t have a lot of time, I then tried to download from debian.org but again I hit the same problem I just don;t have the time to download and install so much software I figured I could just apt-get them |
| 20:14.13 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll ok. i understand:)) of course when i put my server and run my website i'll connect with you. thank you for help:) and please write your email address. by the way the domain is www.debian.am. it's now in free hosting. |
| 20:14.45 | ajkroll | 'k |
| 20:15.05 | blockd_ | Epod69: it should AFAIK |
| 20:15.29 | ajkroll | btw, if your emailing from a blocked end user ip address, I will not get the email |
| 20:15.39 | ajkroll | email address is a@oo.ms |
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| 20:16.55 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll i don't understand: <ajkroll> btw, if your emailing from a blocked end user ip address, I will not get the email |
| 20:17.29 | ajkroll | I block end-user subnets, due to doze boxes being hacked into spam machines |
| 20:17.54 | ajkroll | this way, the only spam traffic i get is a syn packet :-) |
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| 20:18.24 | ajkroll | if your emailing from a major isp, it should not be an issue |
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| 20:18.45 | DJ_Necrogami | how do i edit my eth0? |
| 20:19.14 | ultraviolet16 | !room |
| 20:19.15 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 20:19.19 | ultraviolet16 | interesting. |
| 20:19.27 | dave | nautilus:/home/dave# apt-get install gambas |
| 20:19.28 | dave | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:19.28 | dave | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:19.28 | dave | E: Couldn't find package gambas |
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| 20:19.36 | Fox_1_ | sorry but i didn't understand. in my server i'll run apache+php+jsp/servlet and email(pop3,smtp) |
| 20:19.42 | ultraviolet16 | !flood |
| 20:19.42 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:19.50 | gravity | ultraviolet16: Stop it |
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| 20:20.06 | ultraviolet16 | gravity: i just figured it out, i had to play with it =) |
| 20:20.07 | ajkroll | fox1: that's all fine, what is the ip address email will be coming from? |
| 20:20.14 | valdyn | !tell dave -about simple sid backport |
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| 20:20.22 | gravity | ultraviolet16: Just /msg the bot if you want to play |
| 20:20.40 | ultraviolet16 | I wanted to see it come out in the channel.. I'll stop now |
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| 20:20.51 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll you mean if i send you email your server'll delete it as spam? |
| 20:20.52 | DJ_Necrogami | gravity, how do i edit eth0 ? |
| 20:21.08 | ajkroll | no, but the ip block may already be blacklisted |
| 20:21.18 | ultraviolet16 | Anyway, I'm having some trouble with a touchpad config.. tpconfig -t1 and it doesn't enable tapmode 1, any ideas? |
| 20:21.18 | Fox_1_ | aaa |
| 20:21.23 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: Why are you asking me? |
| 20:21.30 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll i don't know, yet |
| 20:21.40 | dave | valdyn: tell me more |
| 20:21.42 | DJ_Necrogami | gravity, well no one is responding so im randomly asking people |
| 20:21.49 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:21.49 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 20:21.52 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll i'll send from yahoo mail |
| 20:21.54 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: What do you mean by "edit my eth0"? |
| 20:21.55 | amorphix | pinning is good |
| 20:21.56 | valdyn | dave: ^^^^ dpkg is a bot |
| 20:21.57 | ajkroll | well, try to send an email when your ready, and if it bounces back, you'll know your blacklisted |
| 20:22.07 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: What exactly do you want to change? |
| 20:22.16 | valdyn | dave: im not, i need a real question ) |
| 20:22.22 | DJ_Necrogami | gravity, i need to set it up manually and its not right now |
| 20:22.36 | amorphix | if you want to use some unstable packages using pinning, but keep your system fairly testing/stable, you need to upgrade to unstable right? |
| 20:22.39 | ajkroll | yea, yahoo shoulf be ok |
| 20:22.45 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll ok |
| 20:22.48 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll thanks |
| 20:22.50 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: man interfaces |
| 20:22.51 | ajkroll | np |
| 20:22.56 | DJ_Necrogami | dosnt work |
| 20:22.59 | sifi | how can I replace a random value in a variable in a file? |
| 20:23.10 | DJ_Necrogami | im using colinux and man isnt installed |
| 20:23.10 | poop | amorphix: You can apt-source and build packages on stable but it gets cumbersome. |
| 20:23.12 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: Just read the manpage. I still have *no* idea what you actually need, but that should get you going |
| 20:23.19 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: Go to #colinux then |
| 20:23.22 | gravity | Not our problem |
| 20:23.26 | DJ_Necrogami | NO |
| 20:23.28 | gravity | This is #debian, if you didn't notice |
| 20:23.28 | DJ_Necrogami | its a DEBIAN thing |
| 20:23.31 | amorphix | poop: what about dependency issues tho? |
| 20:23.42 | dave | valdyn: will the dpkg advice work? |
| 20:23.42 | DJ_Necrogami | im using DEBIAN ..... |
| 20:23.43 | gravity | Is it? Then where's your interfaces manpage? |
| 20:23.43 | psychonate | DJ_Necrogami, then use Debian ;) |
| 20:23.44 | DJ_Necrogami | ~.~ |
| 20:23.47 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: colinux isn't Debian |
| 20:23.52 | poop | amorphix: You can apt-get source -with-some-flag to get it to try to build deps too |
| 20:23.52 | DJ_Necrogami | yes it is |
| 20:23.58 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: Then why isn't it named "Debian"? |
| 20:23.58 | DJ_Necrogami | the OS is debian |
| 20:24.05 | DJ_Necrogami | http://www.colinux.org |
| 20:24.13 | DJ_Necrogami | Colinux = Similar to VMware |
| 20:24.17 | gravity | !based on debian |
| 20:24.18 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:24.20 | ajkroll | DJ: they may have based it on debian |
| 20:24.21 | valdyn | dave: if sarge can satisfy the build-deps and gambas builds with sarge's compiler. |
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| 20:24.22 | poop | colinux is nothing like vmware |
| 20:24.26 | DJ_Necrogami | no |
| 20:24.27 | DJ_Necrogami | NO |
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| 20:24.38 | DJ_Necrogami | NO! .. im using Colinux to Run Debian Through Windows |
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| 20:24.45 | amorphix | I feel my system may break |
| 20:24.46 | DJ_Necrogami | Colinux ~ VMware |
| 20:24.47 | poop | DJ: What debian issues are you having? |
| 20:24.52 | amorphix | I can see a disaster looming |
| 20:24.57 | poop | colinux is UML |
| 20:25.00 | DJ_Necrogami | i need to edit my eth0 to set it up manually |
| 20:25.02 | gravity | Look dude, I told you what the Debian solution is |
| 20:25.07 | gravity | Read the interfaces manpage |
| 20:25.09 | gravity | It's in there |
| 20:25.12 | DJ_Necrogami | I CANT! |
| 20:25.14 | DJ_Necrogami | man wasnt installed |
| 20:25.16 | valdyn | DJ_Necrogami: colinux might run a debian based distro, but it cannot run debian and isnt supported here |
| 20:25.17 | gravity | wtf |
| 20:25.18 | ajkroll | fox_1: yes |
| 20:25.26 | amorphix | dude |
| 20:25.35 | valdyn | DJ_Necrogami: per definition colinux wont use a debian kernel, period |
| 20:25.35 | gravity | How on earth is man not installed if you're running Debian? |
| 20:25.40 | ultraviolet16 | how the hell is man not installed 0_o |
| 20:25.47 | poop | DJ: Can you dpkg-reconfigure etherconf or configure-debian? |
| 20:25.51 | ultraviolet16 | apt-get install man? -_- |
| 20:25.53 | DJ_Necrogami | WTF you people are gay .... you cant write just one command to help peopl wow you guys are totally the worst waste of my time |
| 20:25.58 | amorphix | phew |
| 20:26.00 | gravity | heh, wow. configure-debian gets play from someone other than me |
| 20:26.04 | poop | ultra: I think he has no network connection yet. |
| 20:26.16 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: Why isn't man installed? |
| 20:26.18 | poop | gravity: It really should be installed by default. |
| 20:26.19 | amorphix | no nic configured eh |
| 20:26.22 | ultraviolet16 | DJ_Necrogami: ok now that you've determined that, you can leave |
| 20:26.23 | DJ_Necrogami | ultraviolet16, i cant apt-get if i cant connect to the internet! |
| 20:26.24 | amorphix | he's asking how to do it |
| 20:26.25 | gravity | poop: Thank you :-) |
| 20:26.32 | DJ_Necrogami | gravity i dont know it just wasnt |
| 20:26.34 | amorphix | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:26.36 | poop | DJ: How did that work for you? |
| 20:26.44 | lixar | how does one logout a kde account on command line from a remote machine? |
| 20:26.47 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: Try installing it using your CD. The CD should have at least a small base install, including man |
| 20:27.07 | amorphix | ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 20:27.08 | Fox_1_ | ajkroll ok |
| 20:27.09 | ultraviolet16 | DJ_Necrogami: you bastard, see what ifconfig says, type ifconfig eth0 up, then dhclient and get out of here |
| 20:27.21 | gravity | DJ_Necrogami: From there, try reading the interfaces manpage. It's got examples and everything. |
| 20:27.26 | DJ_Necrogami | ifconfig eth0 sets 192.168.0.40 |
| 20:27.30 | DJ_Necrogami | and i need to change it |
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| 20:27.36 | amorphix | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:27.48 | sniperjo | HI all |
| 20:27.48 | amorphix | ifdown eth0 && ifup eth |
| 20:27.57 | DJ_Necrogami | amorphix, thank you |
| 20:27.58 | amorphix | ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 20:28.01 | amorphix | np |
| 20:28.08 | poop | DJ: I've used colinux and I know there's a wiki or some other documentation that deals with network configuration (even by distribution) |
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| 20:28.27 | sniperjo | can anyone please tell me how I can access the cups web admin from a different computer on my network |
| 20:28.29 | DJ_Necrogami | i know but .. it didnt have the command to edit eth0 |
| 20:28.30 | rox | how do i get the shell's own PID from bash? |
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| 20:28.36 | bbrazil | rox: $$ |
| 20:28.40 | rox | bbrazil: thanx |
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| 20:29.08 | [LV]z1ng3r | hi. does anybody know how to get spam to test my smtp? |
| 20:29.14 | poop | sniperjo: Maybe you have to tell it to listen on a non-local interface (like eth0) in /etc/default or wherever (man cups) |
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| 20:29.20 | ultraviolet16 | DJ_Necrogami: here's an idea though.. if your using windows and it's connected to the internet then go to your browser point to google and type in "man ifconfig" that works too |
| 20:29.28 | poop | LV: Post to usenet using your real address. |
| 20:29.32 | amorphix | [LV] http://127.0.0.1:631/admin |
| 20:29.42 | bbrazil | [LV]z1ng3r: look on the spamassassin website - there are a few corpuses |
| 20:29.49 | sniperjo | poop: can u give abit more dtail plz |
| 20:29.53 | [LV]z1ng3r | bbrazil tnx |
| 20:29.54 | DJ_Necrogami | ultraviolet16, im done now .... thanks .. for nothing! |
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| 20:30.06 | [FileFly] | hey folks =) |
| 20:30.07 | ultraviolet16 | haha np |
| 20:30.08 | poop | sniperjo: Having never done it I can only offer generalities |
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| 20:30.18 | [FileFly] | I came back! :P Debian is just so perfect i couldn't stay away :P |
| 20:30.21 | [FileFly] | lol |
| 20:30.21 | [FileFly] | =D |
| 20:30.24 | Fox_1_ | which protocol use ping? |
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| 20:30.33 | gravity | Fox_1_: icmp |
| 20:30.33 | deadcat | ping dont use protocol |
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| 20:30.36 | valdyn | sniperjo: man cupsd.conf, cups listens on all ifaces by default though |
| 20:30.41 | ultraviolet16 | ok I'm going to ask mean now so you guys can help me.. |
| 20:30.46 | ultraviolet16 | I'm configuring touchpad |
| 20:30.47 | [FileFly] | Are they any vmware alternatives that support Debian natively? |
| 20:30.47 | ultraviolet16 | i mean.. |
| 20:30.59 | gravity | Filbert: qemu |
| 20:30.59 | deadcat | [FileFly]: like qemu? |
| 20:31.02 | [FileFly] | Else are there any guides to setting up vmware on debian? =) |
| 20:31.04 | ultraviolet16 | GOD DAMN I'M CONFIGURING TOUCHPAD HELP ME ASSHOLES |
| 20:31.06 | Fox_1_ | deadcat: <gravity> Fox_1_: icmp |
| 20:31.07 | sniperjo | valdyn: it gives me a fobin message |
| 20:31.07 | gravity | Not sure what natively means |
| 20:31.12 | amorphix | sheesh |
| 20:31.14 | deadcat | Fox_1_: hes lying |
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| 20:31.31 | deadcat | !icmp |
| 20:31.31 | dpkg | i guess icmp is Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass |
| 20:31.32 | valdyn | sniperjo: a what? |
| 20:31.35 | Filbert | gravity: que? |
| 20:31.39 | abrotman | that seems to have backfired |
| 20:31.48 | deadcat | or maybe i am lying |
| 20:32.00 | bbrazil | Filbert: xen maybe? bochs |
| 20:32.00 | sniperjo | valdyn: it gives me a Forbidden message |
| 20:32.01 | [FileFly] | deadcat, i guess :P hehe =) |
| 20:32.05 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:32.08 | valdyn | sniperjo: yea, read the manpage |
| 20:32.10 | [FileFly] | deadcat, it good? =) |
| 20:32.11 | bbrazil | [FileFly]: ^ |
| 20:32.29 | gravity | bochs is kinda crap. Too slow. qemu is much better. |
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| 20:32.43 | [FileFly] | Does qemu have a nice GUI to work with? |
| 20:32.53 | Fox_1_ | deadcat when i block all protocols and accept just tcp and udp, browser work but ping no |
| 20:32.59 | [FileFly] | I seem to remember something like that that was all command line and never did manage to get an OS booted on it :P |
| 20:33.03 | deadcat | qemu or qemu with that accel thing? |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | gravity: you were a jeweler ? |
| 20:33.12 | gravity | [FileFly]: Not that I've seen, but there may be one if you google around |
| 20:33.21 | gravity | abrotman: Back during the war |
| 20:33.33 | deadcat | [FileFly]: ping dont use tcp or ump, maybe like what gravity said. ucmp or whatever |
| 20:33.37 | amorphix | gravity: which war was that |
| 20:33.51 | [FileFly] | deadcat, think ya talking to the wrong guy there mate :P |
| 20:33.57 | valdyn | [FileFly]: qemu -cdrom file.iso -boot d ( tada! ) |
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| 20:34.06 | deadcat | damn. |
| 20:34.09 | gravity | amorphix: The martian one |
| 20:34.13 | gravity | Of 1654 |
| 20:34.28 | deadcat | hehe.. forget it. i am not answering any quetions. know it or not |
| 20:34.34 | abrotman | see .. the french weren't crazy .. there are aliens! |
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| 20:34.41 | [FileFly] | valdyn, so i can install stuff with this? =) |
| 20:34.48 | amorphix | the french are aliens |
| 20:34.55 | [FileFly] | valdyn, as in it works like vmware in that it creates HDD images? =) |
| 20:34.57 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 20:35.18 | deadcat | valdyn: did you compile the qemu accel module as well? |
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| 20:36.10 | [FileFly] | just got into a win 2k setup wizard and it sees no HDD =\ |
| 20:36.15 | valdyn | [FileFly]: you can create that image yourself |
| 20:36.18 | [FileFly] | Is there a way to "emulate" one with qemu? |
| 20:36.41 | [FileFly] | valdyn, how? =S |
| 20:36.44 | valdyn | [FileFly]: really, qemu --help is plain easy to understand |
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| 20:37.11 | [FileFly] | qemu: invalid option -- '--help' |
| 20:37.13 | valdyn | [FileFly]: dd if=/dev/zero of=hd.img count=1000 bs=1M will create a 1MB image |
| 20:37.22 | [FileFly] | nvm =) |
| 20:37.24 | Brendon | hi all, i'm about to rent a server and i'm going with debian as an os choice. But in the os selection they have "debian stable" and "debian sarge", aren't these two releases the same? |
| 20:37.32 | gravity | [FileFly]: There was an article on debian-administration.org about using qemu that you might find helpful |
| 20:37.53 | deadcat | gravity: you use qemu AND accel? |
| 20:37.53 | gravity | Brendon: They should be unless they haven't updated their stuff in the better part of a year :-) |
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| 20:38.03 | phasegen | Does anyone know where there are good repositories for sid, I need to do a dist-upgrade. |
| 20:38.08 | gravity | deadcat: Not accel, just stock qemu. I haven't had much chance to play with it really. |
| 20:38.12 | deadcat | phasegen: apt-setup |
| 20:38.17 | blockd_ | [FileFly]: there's also qemu-img which can create different formats, but dd works well enough |
| 20:38.18 | gravity | "good repositories for sid"? |
| 20:38.33 | deadcat | gravity: because stock qemu is kinna slow for me. although i have a 800mhz p3 |
| 20:38.35 | abrotman | need to do a dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:38.37 | gravity | deadcat: Ah |
| 20:38.49 | gravity | I want to get win98 running in qemu so I can play some of my old games |
| 20:38.55 | deadcat | gravity: you mean qemu is usable for you? |
| 20:39.13 | gravity | deadcat: Not yet. I haven't done much else than do basic d-i tests in it long ago |
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| 20:39.29 | [FileFly] | cool but just wanna check, is there ANY way to run VMWare? |
| 20:39.41 | saloxin | anyone know a joystick based game in debian, for joystick testing? no gl support on machine though :-( |
| 20:39.42 | [FileFly] | I'm kinda used to its simple interface =) |
| 20:39.57 | valdyn | deadcat: its like a p100 on an athlon64 ( non-accel ), runs freebsd / obsd ( didnt try more ) |
| 20:40.01 | gravity | VMWare can run in Debian if you have it |
| 20:40.04 | deadcat | gravity: ah.. i tried booting a live cd last time and all i did was wait rather than use |
| 20:40.04 | blockd_ | [FileFly]: besides buying VMWare or using their free "player" or whatever that is... |
| 20:40.07 | gravity | I've never done it myself though |
| 20:40.11 | gravity | deadcat: Ouch |
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| 20:40.40 | deadcat | valdyn: ah. 800mhz = 100mzh without accel? damn that suck |
| 20:40.58 | psychonate | Does the /etc/init.d/networking script look directly at /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 20:41.07 | valdyn | deadcat: uh, no, athlong64 are ~ 2000mhz+ |
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| 20:41.10 | deadcat | psychonate: sort of |
| 20:41.36 | deadcat | valdyn: thats useless then (= |
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| 20:41.45 | [FileFly] | ok so if i "bought" it how would i go about installing it? =) |
| 20:41.55 | phasegen | it's amazing how many commands there are for apt... |
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| 20:42.02 | [FileFly] | in gentoo there was a package i just had to emerge and it was done =) |
| 20:42.11 | deadcat | phasegen: those are packages |
| 20:42.18 | deadcat | [FileFly]: this aint gentoo |
| 20:42.30 | psychonate | deadcat, well, I wanted to mess with static IP (I normally use DHCP), so I was just going to create a replacement interfaces file and then restart the networking script. Would that work alright? |
| 20:42.33 | [FileFly] | deadcat, indeed not but is there a similar way for debian? =) |
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| 20:42.45 | deadcat | psychonate: ya. just man 5 interfaces |
| 20:42.58 | psychonate | yeah, that's what I've been looking at |
| 20:42.59 | deadcat | [FileFly]: ya. read the install instruction. |
| 20:43.09 | psychonate | It is quite long though heh |
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| 20:43.23 | deadcat | psychonate: just go to the static section |
| 20:43.24 | daft | .quit |
| 20:43.27 | daft | whoeps |
| 20:43.40 | [FileFly] | deadcat, yea but theres no deb that im aware of =S |
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| 20:43.48 | psychonate | yeah, I think I've got a suitable entry |
| 20:43.52 | psychonate | bbl |
| 20:43.55 | phasegen | nope, I meant commands, apt-get install, apt-setup, apt-getmeabeer, etc... |
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| 20:44.05 | amorphix | etch = testing? |
| 20:44.08 | prom | hai |
| 20:44.08 | deadcat | [FileFly]: no. you get the vmware source then you have to install kernel headers and shits for your current kernel. then run the perl script |
| 20:44.12 | deadcat | amorphix: yes |
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| 20:44.20 | amorphix | thanks, i keep forgetting |
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| 20:44.40 | deadcat | amorphix: its not taht hard. it dont change for years. unlike ubuntu. |
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| 20:45.11 | dipoll | I have a little problem with xkbd options under KDE I can't attach keys to switch languages |
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| 20:45.25 | deadcat | they shouldnt even use code name. just confuse the fuck out of people. just call it ubuntu5.10 instead of ubuntu crappy ocrap |
| 20:45.46 | amorphix | deadcat: sure but its the transistion period for me |
| 20:46.08 | deadcat | amorphix: from what? |
| 20:46.08 | amorphix | ok I want to get this straight, unstable and testing packages can co-exist if you're running unstable? |
| 20:46.19 | deadcat | amorphix: ya |
| 20:46.25 | amorphix | I was running old testing |
| 20:46.27 | phasegen | btw, has anyone got apt-getmeaheineken to work yet? all it keeps getting me is PBR, maybe I need to change refridgerators in sources.list? |
| 20:46.32 | deadcat | amorphix: they all can co-exist if you do it right |
| 20:46.37 | gravity | amorphix: Very few packages are actually built specifically for testing. |
| 20:46.38 | deadcat | amorphix: theres no old testing |
| 20:46.47 | gravity | amorphix: Most are build for unstable and migrate in to testing once they've had enough time |
| 20:46.57 | amorphix | the old testing which is now stable eh |
| 20:46.58 | amorphix | sid |
| 20:47.05 | prom | so i updated my kde but now I can't log into my user unless I use startx |
| 20:47.09 | gravity | amorphix: So if you have packages that haven't been updated in a while, they may well be the same in both testing and unstable, and therefore co-exist |
| 20:47.11 | amorphix | or was it sarge |
| 20:47.12 | deadcat | then its called stable. not old testing |
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| 20:47.27 | amorphix | ok |
| 20:47.29 | valdyn | prom: apt-get install kdm |
| 20:47.39 | prom | what's kdm? |
| 20:47.42 | valdyn | prom: or gdm or xdm |
| 20:47.45 | valdyn | !kdm |
| 20:47.45 | dpkg | kdm is, like, the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 20:47.53 | valdyn | !xdm |
| 20:47.53 | dpkg | from memory, xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 20:48.03 | prom | ok |
| 20:48.04 | amorphix | why do you wanna bother with gdm/kdm, I find those terribly annoying |
| 20:48.11 | prom | so theres nothing I have to change in the config |
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| 20:48.17 | deadcat | amorphix: he aint you |
| 20:48.20 | amorphix | just start X with startx |
| 20:48.24 | amorphix | true |
| 20:48.27 | valdyn | prom: what out if apt tries to remove packages you'd rather keep though |
| 20:48.28 | prom | its weird, in root i have the new desktop, but in my user i have the old one still |
| 20:48.37 | System- | other than ext2, ext3, JFS and ReiserFS, NTFS and vfat is there any other file systems that debian supports? |
| 20:48.41 | valdyn | s/what/watch/ |
| 20:48.58 | valdyn | System-: xfs |
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| 20:49.10 | prom | was that for me? |
| 20:49.14 | System- | anymore? |
| 20:49.29 | deadcat | System-: yes |
| 20:49.29 | phasegen | apt-get install budweiser |
| 20:49.34 | valdyn | !wayttd System- |
| 20:49.37 | deadcat | System-: whatever linux has support for |
| 20:49.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, System-? |
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| 20:49.55 | phasegen | nope, didn't work |
| 20:50.01 | System- | im trying to find out what filesystems various linux distros can suppot |
| 20:50.06 | System- | *support |
| 20:50.13 | deadcat | budweiser aint free. try the non-free repo |
| 20:50.16 | System- | or is it all based on what the kernal can support? |
| 20:50.25 | valdyn | System-: its the same in all, roughly, and for all it depends on what the kernel supports |
| 20:50.27 | deadcat | System-: linux is the kernel. |
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| 20:50.52 | prom | hey wouldn't I have to have kdm, or kde wouldn't run? |
| 20:50.55 | System- | anywhere i can find information on various kernals? like what file systems they support and that? |
| 20:51.00 | deadcat | prom: no |
| 20:51.07 | phasegen | oooohh, thanks deadcat |
| 20:51.07 | deadcat | System-: kernel.org |
| 20:51.10 | blondie | System-: man mount |
| 20:51.16 | blondie | for common ones |
| 20:51.27 | prom | interesting |
| 20:51.31 | System- | i been on kernal.org, it didnt really give any details about each kernal |
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| 20:51.56 | deadcat | System-: you're stupid then. |
| 20:52.03 | System- | thanks... |
| 20:52.16 | deadcat | no problem. since they dont have each kernel |
| 20:52.24 | prom | my kdm is already the newest version |
| 20:52.42 | System- | i didnt say every kernal ever created lol |
| 20:52.51 | valdyn | prom: so start it ( /etc/init.d/kdm start ) |
| 20:53.04 | prom | and what does that do? |
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| 20:53.07 | blondie | System-: "kernel" |
| 20:53.16 | valdyn | prom: starts kdm |
| 20:53.22 | deadcat | System-: grep _FS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 20:53.37 | valdyn | deadcat: if he uses a debian kernel |
| 20:53.45 | prom | so it's not running, even though I'm in kde right now? |
| 20:53.46 | deadcat | valdyn: oh.. so true. |
| 20:53.50 | prom | sorry guys |
| 20:53.50 | cahoot | System-: kernel-source/Documentation/filesystems/00-INDEX looks like a ratherfull list |
| 20:53.54 | prom | I'm a TOTAL newbie to linux |
| 20:53.55 | prom | heh |
| 20:54.00 | deadcat | valdyn: and lets assume hes NOT (= |
| 20:54.05 | valdyn | prom: so TRY to start it |
| 20:54.08 | deadcat | prom: stop whining |
| 20:54.20 | prom | lol I'm not... I'm just letting yah know haha |
| 20:54.34 | deadcat | like i said |
| 20:54.38 | System- | cahoot, wheres that? |
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| 20:54.46 | prom | kdm already running |
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| 20:55.37 | cahoot | System-: kernel-source being the source of whatever kernel-version you're interested in |
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| 20:56.08 | System- | the F link? |
| 20:56.18 | System- | on kernal.org? |
| 20:56.21 | daft | how can i mount a partition and directly give access to a user (i cant use fstab!) |
| 20:56.34 | daft | with the mount command |
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| 20:57.00 | cahoot | System-: any kernel.org mirror will serve you the src |
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| 20:57.10 | valdyn | daft: which filesystem is on that partition? |
| 20:57.14 | prom | sigh |
| 20:57.21 | daft | valdyn samba |
| 20:57.41 | blondie | daft: wrong |
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| 20:57.52 | daft | smbfs* |
| 20:57.53 | blondie | samba is not a file system |
| 20:57.57 | blondie | still wrong |
| 20:58.20 | valdyn | daft: man smbmount, its mount -o uid=something |
| 20:58.24 | blondie | you can't have a "smbfs partition" |
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| 20:58.40 | System- | cahoot the one i looked at doesnt have a folder called documentation |
| 20:58.56 | daft | thanks blondie and linux isnt a os and a hacker isnt breaking in to a computer |
| 20:58.59 | poop | You can't have an "ext3 partition" either. |
| 20:59.37 | blondie | daft: correct, linux is a kernel, and a hacker is a generic term for someone who likes fiddling with things |
| 20:59.38 | valdyn | daft: smbfs isnt on 'disks', its on a network , thats all, doesnt change much a tall |
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| 21:00.10 | dondelelcaro | in any case, just ask the real question with as much detail as possible so we can elide over the technicalities, please. |
| 21:00.27 | prom | is there a gui for kde config? |
| 21:00.39 | poop | Is there a non-gui option for kde config? |
| 21:00.42 | daft | yes yes thanks it working my rooming desktop is almost compleated |
| 21:00.45 | prom | :o |
| 21:01.00 | valdyn | prom: i think you failed to make us aware of that really your problem is |
| 21:01.09 | prom | yeah |
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| 21:02.17 | prom | ok, well it all started out like this... I was trying to install mplayer so I could watch some movie trailers, and ended up doing a huge upgrade(not on purpose). When I restarted I couldn't login |
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| 21:02.32 | prom | it would start to log in, and then crash and go to the login in page |
| 21:02.42 | prom | my roomate said to go in under startx |
| 21:02.46 | l3m | i'm trying to install sarge on an old compaq deskpro. i tried all kinds of boot paramenters (noapic nolapic acpi=off and so ) but it always freezes after "Ok, booting the kernel". Any ideas? |
| 21:02.47 | dondelelcaro | prom: can you log into the console on F1? |
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| 21:03.22 | prom | i did that, but i just found out i was in root... and that's apparently very bad, infact x-chat called me stupid for logging into irc under root |
| 21:03.24 | dondelelcaro | l3m: which kernel are you using? Try install26 |
| 21:03.26 | prom | f1? |
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| 21:03.43 | prom | so i am logging in using startx from my user |
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| 21:03.49 | slibs | prom: hahaa stuupid! |
| 21:03.49 | prom | now, not root |
| 21:03.50 | l3m | ok trying |
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| 21:03.54 | prom | what's F1? |
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| 21:03.59 | prom | lol slibs, thanks |
| 21:04.01 | slibs | :D |
| 21:04.05 | slibs | anytime |
| 21:04.13 | valdyn | prom: you graphical login screen should have a button or option to pick an xsession |
| 21:04.22 | prom | ok |
| 21:04.30 | ghost333 | exit |
| 21:04.39 | valdyn | prom: ( if its really kdm, i dont know the layout of kdm though ) |
| 21:04.40 | blondie | ghost333: error |
| 21:05.04 | prom | my roomate whos knows linux but is too busy to help me out said i needed to do something in the config |
| 21:05.06 | ghost333 | yes...sorry |
| 21:05.08 | prom | i'm in knoppix |
| 21:05.10 | prom | using kde |
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| 21:06.27 | valdyn | prom: if it is knoppix where you are having your issues , /j #knoppix, we cant help |
| 21:06.44 | prom | ty |
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| 21:08.41 | danielR | i am trying to do this: i need to connect to a server at work, then i need to connect to my workstation there, i thought it will be better to connect "directly" to the workstation with a ssh tunnel through the server, can someone give me an example command, i read something on google but i can't get it to work. |
| 21:09.10 | valdyn | danielR: connect what? |
| 21:09.45 | morale | danielR: ssh -L 22:yourworkstation:22 user@server |
| 21:10.04 | valdyn | danielR: thats not really better than 2 'queued' ssh however |
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| 21:10.31 | danielR | morale: i will try it |
| 21:10.35 | danielR | valdyn: why is that ? |
| 21:10.41 | Manimaul | Hi, I'm attempting to upgrade from a debian 2.4.27 kernel to a debian 2.6.14 kernel. Booting the new kernel give me "/deb/md1 does not exist" / is on md1 which is a software raid 5. Dmesg shows that all my hds are seen by the new kernel. Any suggestions why 2.6.14 may not see my raid? |
| 21:11.01 | valdyn | danielR: how could it be better? |
| 21:11.09 | valdyn | danielR: more letters to type actually |
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| 21:11.49 | danielR | valdyn: no, less actualy, can but it in a file and then ./a for example..... |
| 21:12.18 | valdyn | danielR: whatever you prefer, its just no technical improvement |
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| 21:12.40 | johnclark | hello guys, where are the 64bit experts ;-) |
| 21:13.04 | Necrogami | how do i add sources to my apt-get? |
| 21:13.06 | danielR | valdyn: ok... i will be silent.. people here always advice me not start flames with you |
| 21:13.08 | blockd_ | for plain ssh it might not be, but it's useful if you want to have other programs use the port forwarding |
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| 21:14.06 | valdyn | Necrogami: run apt-setup |
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| 21:14.12 | Necrogami | ty |
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| 21:14.56 | johnclark | I need help for running nxserver under debian64, any experiences? |
| 21:15.00 | danielR | morale: channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 22 |
| 21:15.14 | blondie | danielR: replace the first 22 with 222 |
| 21:15.16 | valdyn | danielR: you tried that command as root or as user? |
| 21:15.16 | abrotman | i iddn't realize NX was in debian |
| 21:15.33 | blondie | danielR: or if not root, 2222 |
| 21:15.35 | Ronin | abrotman: not offically i believe |
| 21:15.36 | blockd_ | danielR: probably because you need to be root to listen on port 22. Try something >= 1024 |
| 21:15.49 | danielR | not |
| 21:15.51 | johnclark | it's available for debian |
| 21:15.53 | danielR | it's already in use.. |
| 21:15.56 | blondie | if there's SSH running on that box it will already be using 22 |
| 21:16.17 | morale | danielR: bing it to another port then. |
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| 21:16.21 | morale | bind* |
| 21:16.22 | l3m | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: THANK you for not sucking as badly today as you did yesterday! |
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| 21:16.44 | danielR | morale: it just logs me in to the server |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: thank you for mentioning it |
| 21:16.58 | blondie | danielR |
| 21:17.17 | danielR | yes |
| 21:17.19 | blondie | danielR: replace the first 22 with a higher number e.g. 1234 |
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| 21:17.25 | blondie | then use ssh -p 1234 |
| 21:17.31 | blondie | ssh -p 1234 localhost |
| 21:17.33 | morale | danielR: yes, then go back to your wkst, and type ssh user@localhost -p 1234 |
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| 21:17.36 | danielR | blondie: i just did that and it connects me to the server |
| 21:17.53 | blondie | with the right -p? |
| 21:17.58 | johnclark | any experience with CHROOT environments under AMD64? |
| 21:18.11 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:18.11 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 21:18.22 | valdyn | danielR: you need to set that tunnel up from that server to your workstation at work, then ssh -p 1234 your work server |
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| 21:18.30 | danielR | blondie: ok, it works now |
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| 21:18.35 | blondie | good |
| 21:18.57 | johnclark | thanks, I have good reasons ;-)) |
| 21:19.18 | valdyn | !tell johnclark -about smart questions |
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| 21:19.44 | slibs | can you give me the name of some scanner software? |
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| 21:21.50 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:21.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:22.04 | abrotman | blondie: you think ? |
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| 21:22.12 | blondie | :( |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | blondie: if you'd like .. you can make me curse a few times .. |
| 21:22.42 | blondie | you can do it anyway if you like |
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| 21:23.37 | marek23 | Hello, I'm trying to get dpkg-buildpackage to build my deb packages without recompiling my source code (I have a valid reason for this). Does anyone know if this can be done? |
| 21:24.01 | scarynetworkguy | !captain obvious blondie |
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| 21:24.18 | Tortel | What is the current support of creative MP3 players? |
| 21:24.22 | Tortel | a micro photo |
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| 21:25.00 | abrotman | marek23: say what ? |
| 21:25.45 | dimir | :-) |
| 21:27.44 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: Hello, I'm trying to get my gas powered car to run without using any gas (I have a valid reason for this). Does anyone know if this can be done? |
| 21:28.00 | blondie | try petrol instead |
| 21:28.21 | Tortel | try a channel about cars? |
| 21:28.24 | marek23 | abrotman: I'm trying to try somechanges in the libpthreads library (which is in libc6), but the only way seem to be able to build it (not to mention install it), is to use a debian source package. But I can't figure out how to do incremental builds with dpkg-buildpackage. |
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| 21:28.53 | solarwinds | Need help, plaease |
| 21:29.05 | roob | How come all the apache2 files are still there after I "aptitude purge apache2". Any ideas? |
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| 21:29.22 | blondie | roob: purge apache2-common too |
| 21:29.23 | solarwinds | Problem with IBM laptop.. |
| 21:29.36 | blondie | solarwinds: just ask the question ;p |
| 21:29.36 | roob | blondie: ok, thanks :) |
| 21:29.53 | marek23 | scarynetworkguy: yes building the libc6 library seems pretty impossible to me at this time. |
| 21:30.03 | solarwinds | I cant poweroff my ibm t42 laptop.. |
| 21:30.07 | blondie | lol |
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| 21:30.23 | blondie | roob: I only figured it out myself a few days ago |
| 21:30.25 | abrotman | solarwinds: acpi |
| 21:30.29 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: Yes.... And? |
| 21:30.30 | solarwinds | yes |
| 21:30.40 | roob | blondie: ok =D just tried it - it worked, thanks :) |
| 21:30.40 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: how do you rebuild a package without recompiling a package ? |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | solarwinds: is it loaded ? |
| 21:30.50 | blondie | roob: goodgood |
| 21:31.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: 1) You get your magic wand. |
| 21:31.12 | solarwinds | it shutdown only the screen and HD but leave the CPU fan working :-) |
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| 21:31.16 | solarwinds | yes |
| 21:31.22 | marek23 | no, I have everything compiled, I just want to throw everything into a deb package without recompiling it all |
| 21:31.24 | abrotman | solarwinds: what command are you using to shutdown ? |
| 21:31.29 | blondie | press the powerbutton c.c |
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| 21:31.31 | solarwinds | poweroff |
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| 21:32.13 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: What you are on about makes *no* sense whatsoever. You have left the path of wisdom. |
| 21:32.37 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: It might be better to read up on what you *really* want to do and come back and ask a question about that. |
| 21:32.54 | solarwinds | when I compile vanilla kernel it works fine ... |
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| 21:33.22 | marek23 | I know what I want to do. I want to make some changes to the nptl library (in the libc), compile them, and install them |
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| 21:33.49 | abrotman | marek23: you just said you didn't want to compile it |
| 21:33.53 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: Fair enough. Do so. |
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| 21:34.21 | marek23 | scarynetworkguy: why don't try, before making it sould like a piece of cake |
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| 21:34.44 | czr | marek23, what kind of changes? |
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| 21:34.56 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: It's not a piece of cake. Recompling libc is hard to do right. |
| 21:34.58 | marek23 | trying out different locks |
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| 21:35.19 | czr | marek23, why? |
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| 21:35.38 | marek23 | the nptl locks spin on one cache line. THis is bad on SMPs |
| 21:35.43 | marek23 | there are better locks out there |
| 21:35.52 | scarynetworkguy | marek23: This was why I advised you to think about what you really want to do. Compling libc is usually a step towards a goal not a goal itself. |
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| 21:36.02 | solarwinds | someone have a poweroff problem with IBM t42 ??? |
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| 21:36.10 | marek23 | wanted to try them out and run some parallel benchmarks to see if its worth worrying about |
| 21:36.11 | blondie | solarwinds: you do |
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| 21:36.19 | solarwinds | yes. |
| 21:36.22 | valdyn | marek23: dpkg-buildpackage runs debian/rules clean first. |
| 21:36.36 | czr | marek23, they actually spin? |
| 21:36.38 | scarynetworkguy | solarwinds: Build whatever power management stuff you left out into your kernel. Better yet just use a kernel image. |
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| 21:36.49 | czr | I thought they drop to kernel if lock is already held |
| 21:37.01 | valdyn | marek23: if you run debian/rules binary that will be incremental to the extent supported by glibc or whater you want to compile |
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| 21:37.05 | bpuzon | hello... is there any channel concerned with dns issues? |
| 21:37.09 | marek23 | czr: ok, but that's not ideal either |
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| 21:37.14 | abrotman | #dns .. oddly |
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| 21:37.28 | czr | marek23, depends on your definition of ideal. what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 21:37.30 | solarwinds | I used debian kernel 2.6.8.. |
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| 21:37.34 | zophy | anyone know any magic to get d-i to work on an ultra 1 ? it won't mount the ramdisk and even the keyboard is messed over so all the keystrokes get a scancode error |
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| 21:37.50 | marek23 | czr: I'm trying to experiment with different locks to see if there is something better |
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| 21:38.09 | czr | marek23, why do you need to modify libc for that? |
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| 21:38.27 | czr | can't you just write test software for that that doesn't use pthread-API at all? |
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| 21:39.13 | abrotman | zophy: #debian-sparc |
| 21:39.19 | marek23 | czr: yes, but not if I intend to test it easily with some openMP benchmarks |
| 21:39.40 | czr | marek23, true |
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| 21:40.10 | czr | marek23, building libc can be pita, that's about the only thing I know |
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| 21:40.21 | czr | although I've built it couple of times on custom setups, not debian |
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| 21:40.40 | solarwinds | How do I know if my debian is stabile ?? |
| 21:40.54 | abrotman | in your sources |
| 21:40.54 | czr | solarwinds, does it crash? :-) |
| 21:41.02 | solarwinds | not yet :-) |
| 21:41.29 | abrotman | zophy: did you try a daily ? |
| 21:41.51 | czr | solarwinds, check /etc/apt/sources-file |
| 21:41.56 | solarwinds | I know that in debian there is a releasr version and unstabile version, am I right ?? |
| 21:42.04 | abrotman | czr: file does not exist |
| 21:42.14 | amorphix | I'm trying to compile some software and it says I need QT libaries and binaries installed, but theres alot of packages related to QT libaries, anyone can narrow it down? |
| 21:42.23 | czr | abrotman, which one? |
| 21:42.30 | abrotman | czr: the file you just told him to look in |
| 21:42.39 | czr | sources.list that is :-) |
| 21:42.49 | amorphix | hi |
| 21:42.50 | solarwinds | czr, ok, and what I supose to see ?? |
| 21:42.50 | zophy | abrotman, nope, i got an image from the devel/debian-installer page |
| 21:42.58 | czr | although you could have told the correct file directly instead of nit-picking |
| 21:43.01 | valdyn | amorphix: libat3-mt-dev or just kde-devel |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | zophy: uhm .. those are dailys :) |
| 21:43.08 | amorphix | thanks valdyn |
| 21:43.12 | czr | solarwinds, look for lines like 'testing' or 'unstable' |
| 21:43.14 | valdyn | amorphix: libqt3-mt-dev or just kde-devel |
| 21:43.16 | abrotman | zophy: what was the anme of the ISO ? |
| 21:43.27 | marek23 | valdyn: are you saying that if I uncomment the clean rule in the rules file, I may be able to to an incremental build? |
| 21:43.28 | czr | solarwinds, if you see lines like that that are uncommented, then you're not running stable most probably |
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| 21:44.03 | valdyn | marek23: i didnt say that. you can run debian/rules binary instead of dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:44.04 | solarwinds | I see uncomment with stable main, thanks :-0 |
| 21:44.04 | zophy | abrotman, debian-testing-sparc-netinst.iso |
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| 21:44.11 | abrotman | zophy: that's not a sarge installer .. |
| 21:44.23 | abrotman | zophy: did you check the "Daily Issues" ? |
| 21:44.29 | marek23 | valdyn: is that what dpkg-buildpackage does? |
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| 21:44.41 | zophy | abrotman, i'll look for a link |
| 21:44.46 | abrotman | zophy: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
| 21:44.51 | mrbond82 | Is it possible to send a command to a process running in the background? |
| 21:45.05 | valdyn | marek23: part of what it does, debian/rules binary builds the debian packages from source. |
| 21:45.07 | czr | mrbond82, depends on the process. what you mean by command? |
| 21:45.31 | czr | mrbond82, if you started from your terminal session, you can bring the backgrounded process back to front using fg (check jobs first) |
| 21:45.36 | abrotman | !katie |
| 21:45.36 | dpkg | [katie] who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
| 21:45.55 | mrbond82 | czr - like let's say I'm running pico in the background and I want to output a line of text it without putting it into the foreground |
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| 21:46.45 | marek23 | valdyn: ok, thanks. I've looked at it before, but I guess I'll have to give it another take |
| 21:46.53 | lilliput | can we hel for the futur kde 3.5 ? to check the deb and stuff .. |
| 21:46.59 | lilliput | hel=help |
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| 21:47.11 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 21:47.27 | czr | mrbond82, how can you even run pico in the background? |
| 21:47.41 | czr | mrbond82, what do you mean by 'background'. bg/&? |
| 21:48.06 | solarwinds | I would like to bring up my wireless card at the boot time, how ?? |
| 21:48.19 | czr | solarwinds, man interfaces |
| 21:48.35 | lilliput | solarwinds, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:50.46 | solarwinds | I also want to change the name from eth1 to wlan0, how ?? |
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| 21:51.05 | valdyn | solarwinds: just dont do it |
| 21:51.06 | mrbond82 | czr pico & |
| 21:51.16 | solarwinds | why ?? |
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| 21:51.27 | abrotman | solarwinds: really .. don't |
| 21:51.39 | czr | mrbond82, interesting. the problem is that you cannot send anything to the processes stdin while it's backgrounded |
| 21:51.50 | Manimaul | I don't believe there is any documentation on this. I'm attempting to upgrade from a debian 2.4.27 kernel to a debian 2.6.14 kernel. Booting the new kernel give me "/deb/md1 does not exist" / is on md1 which is a software raid 5. Dmesg shows that all my hds are seen by the new kernel. Any suggestions why 2.6.14 may not see my raid? |
| 21:51.52 | valdyn | solarwinds: its not working well, such cosmetic 'fix' isnt worth trouble |
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| 21:52.02 | mrbond82 | czr-- how about if I used screen ? |
| 21:52.03 | czr | mrbond82, so, pico should have internal mechanism for your thing to work, which it doesn't. I don't think its externally scriptable |
| 21:52.26 | czr | mrbond82, give me a sec, I'll test. it will be messy though. why on earth you want to do this? :-) |
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| 21:52.39 | mrbond82 | czr-- okay so its not really pico its half life dedicated server :D |
| 21:52.52 | mrbond82 | czr - but I didn't want to type that out |
| 21:53.01 | czr | run it under screen |
| 21:53.10 | czr | the problem with backgrounded programs is as follows: |
| 21:53.13 | czr | nano & |
| 21:53.18 | czr | [1]+ Stopped nano |
| 21:53.26 | huhlig | hmmm |
| 21:53.32 | czr | because nano tries to read stdin, and since it's on background, it will be stopped by the kernel |
| 21:53.41 | mrbond82 | czr- okay I got that as well... but I can run half life dedicated server in the background |
| 21:53.47 | czr | once you bring it back to foreground, the scheduler will give it time again |
| 21:53.48 | huhlig | is there a good multiplatform DVD authoring software? both windows and debian |
| 21:53.48 | lilliput | solarwinds, mm not sure and to be confirmed .. in /etc/modules.conf :: Alias module_name ethX |
| 21:53.53 | zophy | abrotman, ramdisk_size makes this recent image work, thanks |
| 21:53.55 | czr | mrbond82, run it under screen |
| 21:54.04 | abrotman | zophy: see ... reading is good! :) |
| 21:54.12 | mrbond82 | czr-- okay so I run it under screen, now how can I send some commands to it and maybe get some info back |
| 21:54.20 | czr | mrbond82, also, it might have some way of getting commands externally too. I think it should. it really depends on the program in question |
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| 21:54.28 | czr | normally interactive programs don't support such stuff |
| 21:54.33 | mrbond82 | czr-- half life dedicated server |
| 21:54.51 | czr | mrbond82, why don't you detach from the screen and attach and give commands directly? |
| 21:54.57 | czr | or you want to do it using scripts? |
| 21:55.04 | mrbond82 | czr - bingo (scripts) |
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| 21:55.28 | Zappatta | i've started apt-get upgrade on an ssh connection and got disconnected. now i have a [preinst] proccess thats running and taking up 99% cpu time. is there to bring this proccess to the foreground? |
| 21:55.32 | czr | mrbond82, isn't it possible to give commands to the game servers over tcp directly? |
| 21:55.43 | valdyn | mrbond82: you want to read the documentation of that server. |
| 21:55.46 | czr | mrbond82, you're trying to solve the problem in a way that is not supported in unix |
| 21:56.05 | valdyn | mrbond82: if 'remote controlling' it isnt mentioned there, its probably not supported. |
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| 21:56.46 | mrbond82 | czr - yeah but if I run the server without a screen, in the foreground, I can type commands to it and it will give me responses... it sits in the foreground and accepts input and gives output... so there must be a way to funnel commands from a script through screen to it. |
| 21:57.24 | czr | mrbond82, why "there must be" :-) |
| 21:57.53 | czr | interactive programs are interactive programs. unless you fake X events into the server, it's not possible |
| 21:58.01 | czr | read the docs on the server, it should have some remote control facility |
| 21:58.19 | czr | mrbond82, there is one messy possibility |
| 21:58.22 | mrbond82 | czr- are you saying its easier to send tcp/ip commands to the server than it would be to send simulated keystrokes to it? |
| 21:58.32 | czr | mrbond82, yes |
| 21:58.39 | czr | use netcat to send the stuff over tcp |
| 21:58.46 | czr | or write a small prog in python/perl/whatever |
| 21:58.57 | aeronadix | how do I provide my password for my register nick again? |
| 21:58.58 | czr | keystroke in linux is a bit complex issue ;-) |
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| 21:59.24 | mrbond82 | czr -- can't I send to the stdin then to my server ? |
| 21:59.41 | mrbond82 | czr - the server is funny in the sense that it runs in foreground and you can interact with it through commands |
| 21:59.43 | valdyn | aeronadix: /msg nickserv identify password |
| 21:59.48 | aeronadix | thx |
| 22:00.00 | czr | mrbond82, depends on whether your program uses ncurses or not |
| 22:00.12 | lilliput | mrbond82, why not doing a pipe ? with a read loop ?? |
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| 22:00.34 | mrbond82 | lilliput -- okay now you're talking... can you think of a way to do that to a background process though? (or a screened process) |
| 22:01.00 | solarwinds | looking for a tool that generate traaffic to AP... |
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| 22:01.28 | lilliput | mrbond82, can you explain a bit more did not get the aim |
| 22:01.51 | valdyn | mrbond82: that server is outputting info line by line and you want to react on certain lines/keywords? |
| 22:02.04 | mrbond82 | valdyn/lilliput- yes |
| 22:02.13 | valdyn | mrbond82: man expect |
| 22:02.23 | mrbond82 | valdyn/lilliput- iuts more like a shell server... you can provide it with commands and it spits out results |
| 22:03.19 | mrbond82 | The Real trick is to funnel some commands to a background process |
| 22:03.56 | amorphix | hi |
| 22:04.21 | amorphix | im installing kde-devel |
| 22:04.41 | amorphix | its downloaded and is setting up and is asking me xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:04.54 | amorphix | should I choose xserver-xfree86? |
| 22:05.07 | valdyn | amorphix: you should only have 1 available |
| 22:05.17 | slibs | can i mount cue files same as iso files? |
| 22:05.17 | amorphix | i have 2 options :-/ |
| 22:05.28 | mrbond82 | lilliput - can you offer me a way to make it simple? |
| 22:05.37 | amorphix | xserver-xorg has been highlighted |
| 22:05.50 | amorphix | but I am running xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:05.59 | valdyn | amorphix: so pick that.. |
| 22:06.02 | amorphix | ok |
| 22:06.31 | lilliput | mrbond82, didn't get the REAL aim of your script/ program, not native english spoker so take it easy ;) |
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| 22:07.03 | abrotman | you don't say :) |
| 22:07.04 | lilliput | oh think I got it |
| 22:07.13 | mrbond82 | lilliput -- let's say I want to do something like this... > hlds_script send: status |
| 22:07.19 | valdyn | mrbond82: i dont think this can be done simple, you need a 'program' that will talk to your server and optionally let you manually talk to it |
| 22:07.24 | mrbond82 | lilliput-- then have the output of the half life server which is running in the background put on my screen |
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| 22:07.36 | mrbond82 | valdyn - can I write it in C++ ? |
| 22:07.38 | bucky | abrotman you have the most thank yous http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/nick_productivity |
| 22:07.41 | valdyn | mrbond82: ..which is fairly easy to write, but not 'simple' |
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| 22:07.57 | valdyn | mrbond82: yea sure, uh, but perl would certainly be easier |
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| 22:08.07 | lilliput | mrbond82, I did something simpe to deal with that :) |
| 22:08.17 | mrbond82 | lilliput - whats your simple solution? |
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| 22:08.26 | mrbond82 | valdyn - I don't know if I want to learn perl now :/ |
| 22:08.33 | deadcat | is a powerbook 300mhz for under $100 a good deal? i plan to use it for server |
| 22:08.37 | deadcat | as server |
| 22:08.38 | deadcat | hehe |
| 22:08.38 | lilliput | proc1_output >/tmp/pipe |
| 22:08.44 | bucky | abrotman: at 155 but i guess it was canceled out by foul language 153 |
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| 22:09.13 | valdyn | mrbond82: anything nicely supporting text operations will do, c++ wont be to hard if you know your way around.. |
| 22:09.18 | abrotman | bucky: oh .. no idea .. |
| 22:09.20 | beardy | so, is the foul language good or bad for the productivity? |
| 22:09.23 | lilliput | and proc2 ( while read line do ;;;;; done < /tmp/pipe |
| 22:09.37 | beardy | and, in either case, why? |
| 22:09.39 | bucky | abrotman: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 22:09.50 | mrbond82 | valdyn - so basically, write a frontend? |
| 22:10.01 | valdyn | mrbond82: yea |
| 22:10.01 | abrotman | bucky: yeah .. i saw .. i have no idea what wacked formula is used to get that number |
| 22:10.06 | mrbond82 | valdyn - or backend, depending on which way you look at it |
| 22:10.39 | abrotman | bucky: well . it's on the page . but it's just a bad formula |
| 22:10.45 | lilliput | mrbond82, after you can grep sed or whatever in your proc2 bash/perl/python script (/tmp/pipe is done with mkfifo) |
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| 22:10.48 | slibs | so any idea how to mount cue files? |
| 22:11.05 | lilliput | valdyn, what do you think about this solution ? |
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| 22:11.22 | abrotman | !cue |
| 22:11.25 | abrotman | !bin/cue |
| 22:11.25 | dpkg | bin/cue is, like, a cd image file format used by CDRWin. cdrdao can burn these images |
| 22:11.37 | abrotman | slibs: not that i'm aware .. perhaps ask in ##linux |
| 22:11.45 | slibs | okay |
| 22:11.59 | tuv | anybody running unstable? how stable is it? I'm running testing but i'm missing few packages that seem to need some time to make it to testing although they were there sometime ago.. e.g. k3b, amarok, maxima, scilab...etc. |
| 22:12.13 | numist | its not stable |
| 22:12.15 | numist | hence, unstable |
| 22:12.26 | mrbond82 | lilliput- sounds like it can be done but I will need your help with it |
| 22:12.28 | gravity | tuv: It depends on the day and your skill level |
| 22:12.28 | abrotman | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 22:12.29 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 22:12.30 | numist | when I was running it I spent about 20 minutes a day fixing broken deps, but that was last year |
| 22:12.41 | valdyn | lilliput: nice! |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | numist: really ? |
| 22:13.11 | numist | abrotman: yeah, I had some bad luck... this was during the gnome upgrade though |
| 22:13.19 | numist | probably a case of bad timing :) |
| 22:13.20 | lilliput | valdyn/mrbond82 I used this method to process some syslog-ng output the good point about that is that even if the proc2 soft doesn't run it will be able to process all the previous data when it's starting back |
| 22:13.36 | beardy | tuv: Why do you think it's called unstable? There is a reason, it's not just for fun. |
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| 22:14.01 | abrotman | numist: i don't remember that .. |
| 22:14.06 | mrbond82 | lilliput - do you have the time to help me out? |
| 22:14.15 | tuv | beardy, despite its name, i found that a good number of people are using unstable for desktops and having absolutely no problems with it |
| 22:14.35 | abrotman | tuv: and some people have COMPLETELY broken systems |
| 22:14.40 | lilliput | mrbond82, wait a second I search a good exemple on google |
| 22:14.52 | tuv | abortman: well, that is why I'm asking here! |
| 22:15.01 | mrbond82 | lilliput-- okay I'll standby |
| 22:15.04 | beardy | tuv: Then you have already make made up your mind, what does it matter what we say then? |
| 22:15.10 | beardy | -make |
| 22:15.11 | crash3m_ | tuv: I'm a debian newb (not linux newb) and unstable has treated me well...once I got a decent install |
| 22:15.29 | tuv | beardy, why would i ask if i already have made my mind!!! |
| 22:15.35 | gravity | tuv: unstable can be fun if you're willing to put up with some brokeness and learn how to read, search, and fix problems on your own |
| 22:15.45 | Vyrus001 | is there a limit of warnings that gcc will give you before causing an err... i keep getting a compiler err when trying to compile a driver but i cant tell what the err is |
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| 22:15.50 | gravity | tuv: If all you want is some new apps though and you're not willing and eager to learn, don't go with unstable |
| 22:15.53 | tuv | beardy, i'm still considering |
| 22:15.53 | numist | Vyrus001: nope |
| 22:15.57 | megatronx | anyone here ever run teamspeak & enemy territory same time in debian? |
| 22:16.08 | lilliput | mrbond82/valdyn mkfifo /tmp/fifo1 ;;; while read a; do echo "FIFO1: $a"; done < /tmp/fifo1 & is |
| 22:16.30 | doleyb | megatronx: ive run them at different times, and i've got 2 sound cardfs even. |
| 22:17.01 | megatronx | doleyb: 2 sound cards? |
| 22:17.15 | doleyb | megatronx: well, i have onboard nforce and a soundblaster in pci. |
| 22:17.55 | beardy | tuv: If you want to learn, and/or help with reporting bugs and so on, run it. But if the only reason is to "get the lastest softwares", don't. |
| 22:18.07 | megatronx | doleyb: do you by any chance know how to make both of the run under one sound card? |
| 22:18.14 | numist | can someone tell me where preconfiguration for packages are stored? I set the wrong option for cvs, and now instead of asking for options it keeps failing in the post-install script |
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| 22:18.31 | Vyrus001 | numist: hmm well ther is no err line in the output other than the "error 1" line |
| 22:18.48 | doleyb | megatronx: check #alsa (look for jcdutton) |
| 22:19.02 | tuv | numist: doen't "dpkg-reconfigure cvs" help? |
| 22:19.02 | megatronx | ok |
| 22:20.02 | abrotman | numist: dpkg-reconfigure -plow cvs |
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| 22:21.50 | numist | ah -plow |
| 22:21.56 | numist | tuv: nope |
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| 22:22.09 | abrotman | numist: get it ? |
| 22:22.27 | numist | abrotman: nope, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: cvs is broken or not fully installed |
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| 22:22.39 | numist | the latter is whats true |
| 22:22.43 | Nylira | Got a question with regards to altering menus in KDE 3.4. I seem to have a ton of entries in the debian menu which I for the love of god cant seem to get rid off. Apparently even manually editting applications-kmenuedit.menu did nothing. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:23.00 | abrotman | numist: why isn't it ? |
| 22:23.07 | abrotman | numist: apt-get -f install ? |
| 22:23.18 | numist | sec |
| 22:23.20 | abrotman | Nylira: update-menus ? |
| 22:23.24 | Nylira | tried it |
| 22:23.25 | abrotman | oh .. ignore me |
| 22:23.30 | Nylira | :) |
| 22:23.33 | abrotman | Nylira: #debian-kde |
| 22:23.41 | valdyn | mrbond82: heh, tried this w/ mc, naturally it doesnt work completely with a curses program but its neat nonetheless |
| 22:23.46 | numist | dpkg: error processing cvs (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:23.53 | numist | abrotman: ^ |
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| 22:25.18 | abrotman | numist: and what's the error ? |
| 22:25.30 | numist | you prefer pastebin or #flood |
| 22:25.34 | abrotman | #flood |
| 22:26.12 | mrbond82 | valdyn-- what does it Do? |
| 22:26.31 | numist | abrotman: I set /dev/null as repos root, and it wasnt happy with that |
| 22:26.54 | valdyn | mrbond82: mc? it needs proper terminal info, doesnt get those, so display gets a little garbled |
| 22:26.58 | abrotman | numist: jeez . you think? |
| 22:27.04 | numist | hindsight is 20/20 |
| 22:27.11 | abrotman | numist: -plow should fix that |
| 22:27.18 | numist | didnt though |
| 22:27.35 | abrotman | numist: dpkg -l | grep cvs .. how many do you see ? |
| 22:27.49 | numist | 4 lines |
| 22:27.51 | mrbond82 | valdyn- i mean what does teh command do.. the mkfifo |
| 22:28.02 | numist | er.. one |
| 22:28.02 | lilliput | mrbond82, |
| 22:28.10 | valdyn | mrbond82: you know what a fifo is? |
| 22:28.19 | numist | sorry, others had cvs in their versions.. damn wc -l |
| 22:28.24 | lilliput | it does create a first in first out "file" |
| 22:28.26 | mrbond82 | First In First Out ... accounting term? |
| 22:28.27 | numist | abrotman: one package named cvs |
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| 22:28.39 | numist | iF cvs 1.12.9-16 Concurrent Versions System |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:28.57 | abrotman | numist: try dpkg -P cvs |
| 22:29.03 | lilliput | mrbond82, create it and in the background do some echo "xxxx" >/tmp/fifo |
| 22:29.04 | valdyn | mrbond82: run 'cat somefile > /tmp/fifo' and run in a different shell 'cat /tmp/fifo' |
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| 22:29.20 | mrbond82 | valdyn okay hold on |
| 22:29.27 | MiLLeSiMe | hellow debhelper |
| 22:29.34 | valdyn | mrbond82: watching _both_ terminals while the 2nd command runs |
| 22:29.36 | numist | abrotman: thats the ticket right there |
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| 22:30.26 | marculix | byebye wanker |
| 22:30.29 | amorphix | ha |
| 22:30.33 | mrbond82 | valdyn-- moment |
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| 22:30.42 | amorphix | sheesh |
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| 22:30.46 | mrbond82 | flood attack!! |
| 22:30.48 | numist | one moment please |
| 22:30.53 | amorphix | how lame is that |
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| 22:30.57 | ljclu167 | ubsh biby erna xpgh oxti yczb kbgq offm pcww jwff wnfo vvbu bidc dufw uona uunh wmwz ehog ottz hdbh hxmv ouyk dsdz xgxd xpoo votf voiq vjts ksfe bdii khcs ohkm |
| 22:30.59 | numist | oh guess I dont have to do anything, problem took care of himself |
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| 22:31.06 | Vyrus001 | oh dear |
| 22:31.06 | gmvnz494 | ubsh biby erna xpgh oxti yczb kbgq offm pcww jwff wnfo vvbu bidc dufw uona uunh wmwz ehog ottz hdbh hxmv ouyk dsdz xgxd xpoo votf voiq vjts ksfe bdii khcs ohkm |
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| 22:31.12 | Seb | @ops |
| 22:31.13 | amorphix | its the lamer hour |
| 22:31.14 | Ronin | ahh here we go again i see lol |
| 22:31.17 | Seb | !ops |
| 22:31.17 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 22:31.20 | valdyn | !ops spam bots taking over.. |
| 22:31.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: spam bots taking over.. |
| 22:31.23 | Ronin | and i actually did lol? oh dear |
| 22:31.23 | gravity | I see it |
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| 22:31.38 | numist | haha |
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| 22:31.51 | Vyrus001 | well that was weard |
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| 22:32.29 | gravity | Ok, the staff is on the job |
| 22:32.34 | beardy | ~tell VlivE -about root |
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| 22:32.49 | azeem | yay helix |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | gravity: you sure about htat ? |
| 22:32.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:32.52 | mrbond82 | lilliput / valdsyn - very very impressive!!! |
| 22:32.55 | numist | dang, no one around with an oline to handle it |
| 22:32.56 | ix | that's just absurd |
| 22:32.59 | numist | just levelone's |
| 22:33.28 | numist | abrotman: yeah, he's sure that staff knows ;) |
| 22:33.35 | abrotman | numist: ? |
| 22:33.42 | beardy | At least say something stupid, provocative or irritating, that was just pointless.. |
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| 22:33.51 | numist | :) |
| 22:34.03 | mrbond82 | lilliput - how can I push whatever is coming out of the fifo file to my half life server ? |
| 22:34.53 | Ronin | may want to keep that @ tonight helix, may be a long one |
| 22:35.13 | beardy | Soon sunday too.. |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | afo! |
| 22:35.35 | antgel | !afo |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
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| 22:35.45 | lilliput | mm which way do u want to process |
| 22:35.57 | doleyb | mrbond82: idk exactly what you're tring to do, but make sure you've considered "screen" as solution. |
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| 22:36.20 | abrotman | antgel: it actually worked that time |
| 22:36.22 | mrbond82 | doleyb-- the screen definitely helps me. But I need to pass some commands into the background screen and I don't know how |
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| 22:36.32 | abrotman | antgel: i thank you for your endorsement! |
| 22:36.37 | lilliput | docta_v, crontab is enough |
| 22:36.46 | CAiRO | how can i achieve that gnome stores the workspace where the application is on when i quit a session? (i don't want them all to be on workspace 1 when i restart the session) |
| 22:36.47 | valdyn | mrbond82: now: 'mkfifo /tmp/output;mkfifo /tmp/input; HL-server > /tmp/output < /tmp/input; cat /tmp/input | tee halflife.log' and you or your script can send commands via /tmp/input and parse that logfile. |
| 22:36.58 | antgel | abrotman: i thank you will find it works better with the ! on the left |
| 22:37.09 | abrotman | CAiRO: when you logout .. there's a checkbox |
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| 22:37.26 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. thank you .. my stupidity astounds me |
| 22:37.50 | numist | hah |
| 22:38.06 | CAiRO | abrotman: hmm, no, not over here, there's only a checkbox to save or not save the session.. but that isn't the problem |
| 22:38.14 | abrotman | hrm ? |
| 22:38.20 | abrotman | that's what i thought you meant |
| 22:38.37 | CAiRO | no, i meant what i ask, how can i make it save the workspace |
| 22:38.53 | antgel | CAiRO: i find session handling in x to be incredibly broken for multiple desktops |
| 22:38.53 | CAiRO | eg i usually have xchat on workspace 6, but when i restart the session, it starts on workspace 1 |
| 22:39.19 | CAiRO | so no workaround or something? |
| 22:39.20 | beardy | In wmaker it works. |
| 22:39.30 | CAiRO | so it's a sawfish problem? |
| 22:39.34 | CAiRO | i'm using sawfish, btw |
| 22:39.59 | abrotman | i think there's a #sawfish |
| 22:40.04 | antgel | beardy: not for me in wmaker. shit going all over my desktops. i hardly even logout though, so don't care a great deal |
| 22:40.11 | abrotman | i tried once a long time ago to do that .. gave up |
| 22:40.16 | CAiRO | beardy: are you talking of wmaker + gnome session handling or does wmaker have its own session handling? |
| 22:40.23 | antgel | not to mention the fact that many programs don't restart at all |
| 22:40.26 | valdyn | CAiRO: in gnome this will only work with gnome applications, in kde for kde applications, afaik. |
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| 22:40.51 | CAiRO | valdyn: so xchat is not considered a gnome application? |
| 22:41.02 | abrotman | xchat is a GTK app i think |
| 22:41.19 | valdyn | CAiRO: i dont use that thing, however for reference, gnumeric works, firefox doesnt, both use gtk2. |
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| 22:41.28 | beardy | antgel: Perhaps different programs handle it differently, for me it worked as in the things were in their correct workspace, but some things always restored their default windowsizes. |
| 22:42.14 | beardy | CAiRO: wmaker alone. |
| 22:42.45 | roob | I got a little question: I used checkinstall to install and make a lighttpd package. Checkinstall now created a .deb package for me. Do I need to keep this .deb file if I ever want to uninstall lighttpd? Are there any other better ways to cleanly remove files from systems, or is checkinstall the way to go? |
| 22:42.57 | mrbond82 | valdyn- standby |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | roob: you could test the removal :) |
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| 22:44.09 | mz_64 | roob: you don;t need the deb to remove an installed deb |
| 22:44.20 | mrbond82 | valdyn- should I still be running this thing in a screen? |
| 22:44.31 | roob | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 22:44.44 | war92 | Anyone here do dynamic dns updates? |
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| 22:45.00 | antgel | !tell war92 about anyone |
| 22:45.09 | abrotman | !dyndns |
| 22:45.09 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 22:45.16 | roob | mz_64: cool.. how does dpkg know which files to remove then? where is that saved? |
| 22:45.20 | beardy | roob: You only need the package if you are going to install it again, after removing it. To remove a package, the packagefile is not needed. |
| 22:45.33 | valdyn | mrbond82: not much point in that. |
| 22:45.40 | abrotman | roob: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ .. maybe ? |
| 22:45.49 | valdyn | mrbond82: just dont run it in something that you are going to close by some crash or mistake |
| 22:45.49 | mrbond82 | valdyn - will this not tie up the shell ? |
| 22:46.05 | valdyn | mrbond82: yea true |
| 22:46.08 | roob | beardy, abrotman: thanks a bunch :) |
| 22:46.18 | valdyn | mrbond82: just add an & |
| 22:46.29 | valdyn | mrbond82: or nohup it, or whatever |
| 22:46.54 | doleyb | mrbond82: or even run it in screen, but that's overkill |
| 22:47.02 | mrbond82 | valdyn- what does cat /tmp/input | tee halflife.log do ? |
| 22:47.31 | valdyn | mrbond82: Oo, thats my mistake, it should be /tmp/output |
| 22:47.49 | mrbond82 | valdyn-- what does it do though, what is the purpose of that line? |
| 22:47.51 | valdyn | mrbond82: print output of your server to screen and into that logfile, both at a time |
| 22:48.12 | mrbond82 | valdyn - so that line wouldn't go into my script then would it? |
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| 22:48.36 | valdyn | mrbond82: your script can just read that logfile |
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| 22:51.25 | mrbond82 | valdyn- when I try echo status > /tmp/input or echo status > /tmp/output it just freezes |
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| 22:52.32 | rend | can anyone recommend a good dual dvi card... i am trying to find one under $100 |
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| 22:53.28 | abrotman | you wish |
| 22:53.36 | abrotman | rend: ask #hardware |
| 22:54.06 | rend | hehe |
| 22:54.40 | mrbond82 | valdyn are you there? |
| 22:54.41 | rend | gotta save money so i can get that $500 chair |
| 22:55.03 | valdyn | mrbond82: yea, i dont have that server, no idea |
| 22:55.18 | mrbond82 | valdyn maybe my command is wrong? |
| 22:55.32 | antgel | rend: perhaps cheaper to get two single-port cards? |
| 22:55.43 | lilliput | mrbond82, what's your command ? |
| 22:55.47 | valdyn | mrbond82: where can i download that server? |
| 22:55.48 | mrbond82 | valdyn- SCREEN -S hlds1 -d -m ./hlds_i686 -game cstrike -autoupdate +exec server.cfg +maxplayers 12 +ip 216.193.238.132 +port 27015 +map fy_snow +sys_ticrate 500 > /tmp/output < /tmp/input; |
| 22:55.50 | rend | angel2: but isnt everything agp these days? |
| 22:56.03 | rend | angel2: so i dont know how to have > 1 |
| 22:56.11 | lilliput | it's waiting for the input ... |
| 22:56.12 | deadcat | anyone have a canon sd400 or better? what is the video recording limit? my s230 can only go 3min max. )= |
| 22:56.22 | mrbond82 | lilliput - how do I send some input to it? |
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| 22:57.04 | blondie | I R ILLEGAL H4X0R |
| 22:57.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:57.28 | DarknessX | hi -- can anybody possibly provide me with a direct link (long story) to the kernel source for 2.6.12-9-386? [it's a kubuntu kernel, but does that actually matter?] |
| 22:57.31 | gr8ron | go directly to jail |
| 22:57.39 | lilliput | I dunno after how this server is working or what you want to process so without details might be difficult |
| 22:57.51 | azeem | DarknessX: (k)ubuntu do their kernels differnetly |
| 22:57.53 | antgel | !ubuntusmite DarknessX |
| 22:57.54 | lilliput | past some exemple in pv to give me an idea |
| 22:58.01 | mrbond82 | lilliput - I want to send a 'status' command to that server, how can I do that? |
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| 22:58.07 | DarknessX | haha, understood. thanks :-D |
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| 22:58.39 | antgel | DarknessX: there are lots of smites available for your enjoyment |
| 22:59.02 | ix | http://tinyurl.com/7we3d |
| 22:59.03 | ix | :D |
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| 23:01.03 | lilliput | ix x*cool that one is cool |
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| 23:01.27 | lilliput | I almost though it was real ^^ |
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| 23:01.51 | abrotman | wtf are guys doing ? |
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| 23:02.29 | mrbond82 | that's so cool |
| 23:02.51 | lilliput | mrbond82, how do you do it normaly ? I mean by hand ? |
| 23:03.17 | mrbond82 | lilliput-- okay... I go to the terminal or screen that is running the server |
| 23:03.27 | mrbond82 | and i type in: status .... and press enter |
| 23:03.39 | mrbond82 | and it dumps some lines of information out on the screen like how long it has been up and who is playing |
| 23:03.50 | lilliput | ok |
| 23:03.52 | mrbond82 | and when I am done, I de-tach and do something else |
| 23:04.08 | lilliput | so we are just trying a test |
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| 23:05.01 | lilliput | did you "mkfifo /tmp/output /tmp/input " ?? |
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| 23:05.34 | abrotman | kittenbot: who owns you |
| 23:05.43 | mrbond82 | lilliput - yes |
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| 23:05.56 | abrotman | either a broken bot .. or a nonresponsive person |
| 23:06.01 | lilliput | hlds1 -d -m ./hlds_i686 -game cstrike -autoupdate +exec server.cfg +maxplayers 12 +ip 216.193.238.132 +port 27015 +map fy_snow +sys_ticrate 500 < /tmp/input; |
| 23:06.02 | kittenbot | abrotman: Not you. |
| 23:06.11 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 23:06.43 | mrbond82 | lilliput - I have SCREEN -S hlds1 -d -m ./hlds_i686 -game cstrike -autoupdate +exec server.cfg +maxplayers 12 +ip 216.193.238.132 +port 27015 +map fy_snow +sys_ticrate 500 > /tmp/output < /tmp/input; |
| 23:07.01 | lilliput | remove the tmp/output |
| 23:07.09 | lilliput | just for the test |
| 23:07.19 | lilliput | are you currently using the server ? |
| 23:07.23 | abrotman | how about cat ? |
| 23:08.05 | mrbond82 | lilliput - okay I got two SSH open.. one has a shell I can work on the other has the screen -r hlds1 so I can see what is going on |
| 23:08.33 | lilliput | oki when you did relaunched it with & at the end |
| 23:08.42 | mrbond82 | lilliput - I am using screen |
| 23:08.50 | lilliput | oki .. |
| 23:09.17 | mrbond82 | lilliput -- daemon screen -S hlds1............... that's whats in the script |
| 23:09.27 | mrbond82 | lilliput- I'm using the daemon to control the pids and lockfiles |
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| 23:09.41 | lilliput | after ' echo "status ...">/tmp/input ' |
| 23:09.45 | mrbond82 | lilliput - I can get it to start/stop/status/restart with screen no problem |
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| 23:10.08 | kittenbot | FreeNode-#debian.log:Oct 12 02:04:51 <abrotman> kittenbot: that doesn't tell me anything .. i don't keep logs . i onyl have since i joined this evening |
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| 23:10.20 | mrbond82 | lilliput - the echo command just pauses and waits with no response |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | kittenbot: ? |
| 23:10.35 | abrotman | kittenbot: is that the last time i thought you were a bot? :) |
| 23:10.40 | kittenbot | Yep :) |
| 23:10.48 | abrotman | sorry |
| 23:11.02 | kittenbot | No worries |
| 23:11.04 | lilliput | mrbond82, same user ? |
| 23:11.09 | mrbond82 | lilliput - root :D |
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| 23:11.29 | lilliput | ok |
| 23:11.30 | mrbond82 | lilliput - I got 2 root ssh open |
| 23:11.49 | mrbond82 | root is okay as long as you don't rm -rf / ;) |
| 23:11.54 | MProg | hi everyone |
| 23:11.59 | mrbond82 | hi MProg |
| 23:12.08 | bbrazil | mrbond82: check the /proc/pid-of-hlds/fd and see if its got the input pipe open |
| 23:12.15 | MProg | I've got a few question about Debian... |
| 23:12.23 | lilliput | can you specify an input file maybe the server doesn't like input like that |
| 23:12.26 | antgel | abrotman: who owns you. no realestion about Debian... |
| 23:12.26 | antgel | 23:12 < lilliput> can you specify an input file maybe the server doesn't like |
| 23:12.26 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.30 | antgel | doh |
| 23:12.33 | antgel | :D |
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| 23:12.44 | deadcat | powerbook 300mhz for under $100 ok? for server |
| 23:12.45 | abrotman | antgel: hehe |
| 23:12.59 | antgel | i'll try again. abrotman: who owns you? no real person could be on irc *that* much ;) |
| 23:13.07 | MProg | are i686 compiled binaries really much faster than i386 ones ?... |
| 23:13.27 | deadcat | MProg: no |
| 23:13.31 | abrotman | antgel: thanks to the wonders of cloning .. i can be here all the time! |
| 23:13.43 | MProg | ok, next question... |
| 23:13.54 | lilliput | antenagildo, I try to do my best but I'm not a guy born in one of *those* english speaker countries .. |
| 23:14.15 | lilliput | sorrry antenagildo was speaking to antgel |
| 23:14.17 | mrbond82 | lilliput - hang on |
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| 23:14.20 | cheal | MProg: debian's i386 binaries have 586-specific optimizations. maybe for 686 too |
| 23:14.27 | antenagildo | alright |
| 23:14.30 | abrotman | !tell KaRliN about root |
| 23:14.34 | adamy | what is i686 anyway? |
| 23:14.49 | MProg | do you advise using debian sarge (stable) or debian etch (testing) for standard desktop use ? |
| 23:14.55 | mrbond82 | lilliput - there are 0@ 1@ 2@ 3@ 4@ 5@ 6@ inside the /proc/31616/fd directory |
| 23:14.59 | azeem | MProg: whatever suits you |
| 23:15.05 | azeem | MProg: try sarge first |
| 23:15.18 | cheal | MProg: any. the only way to try both without reinstalling is by starting with sarge |
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| 23:15.32 | antgel | MProg: are you new to debian? do you think you need new software in order to be cool? |
| 23:15.34 | lilliput | never used but the @0 seems logic |
| 23:15.45 | lilliput | 2 is for errors |
| 23:15.49 | lilliput | mm wait |
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| 23:16.40 | MProg | I've already tried sarge and it seemed pretty good but a bit out of date ... |
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| 23:18.09 | lococ | hi |
| 23:18.17 | lilliput | yeah normally the input is 0 - normal output is 1 and errors are 2 |
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| 23:19.14 | MProg | (btw do program version numbers ever go up in debian sarge or are all updates only security ones ?) |
| 23:19.31 | nvz | MProg: version numbers dont mean anything |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | mostly just security |
| 23:19.45 | vulture | abrotman: 'mostly'? |
| 23:19.48 | TruLyViRal | are there any webcams that work with debian? |
| 23:20.03 | TruLyViRal | and if so, might you refer me to some inexpensive ones? |
| 23:20.05 | lilliput | does someone know where I should look to test the kde3.5 .. (I've heard that they are already out for ubuntu .. mm kind of .. so just would like to help you ) |
| 23:20.23 | metaperl | pingus r0x |
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| 23:20.54 | philliph | Hello, should I be using an smp kernel for hyper threading? |
| 23:21.16 | nvz | philliph: do you want to pay extra for HT technology and not use it? |
| 23:21.18 | lococ | anybody know why i can not play dvds at 2.6.X kernel, libdvdcss problems? |
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| 23:21.24 | abrotman | vulture: iirc. . they can fix RC bugs also .. |
| 23:21.25 | asmodaiii | philliph: only if you have more than one cpu |
| 23:21.44 | TruLyViRal | are there any webcams that work with debian? and if so, could you refer me to an inexpenive one? |
| 23:21.57 | beardy | !tell TruLyViRal -about repeat |
| 23:21.59 | mrbond82 | lilliput - what if this program doesn't accept standard input/output ? |
| 23:22.02 | nvz | TruLyViRal: any that work with linux |
| 23:22.08 | doleyb | TruLyViRal: if you were in the USA yesterday, a "quickcam chat" was $4.95. |
| 23:22.25 | vulture | abrotman: Presumably only when it's an RC, before it's actually been released, I'd have thought. Though I don't know |
| 23:22.29 | TruLyViRal | wtf is a quickcam chat? |
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| 23:22.30 | philliph | asmodaiii, thought so, thanks |
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| 23:22.38 | antgel | doleyb: that's even cheaper than the real thing :P |
| 23:22.41 | doleyb | TruLyViRal: it's a webcam. Look at the list on ovcam.org, for example. |
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| 23:22.54 | TruLyViRal | k, thanx |
| 23:23.04 | doleyb | TruLyViRal: or the bigger list linked from linux-usb.org |
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| 23:23.12 | MProg | when I said "do version numbers go up" basicly I mean will (for exemple) KDE 3.3 ever go to 3.4... ? |
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| 23:23.37 | abrotman | vulture: not all RC bugs are found before release |
| 23:23.38 | antgel | MProg: not in sarge. /msg dpkg releases |
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| 23:23.52 | vulture | abrotman: *nods* |
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| 23:24.13 | abrotman | vulture: somewhere .. there should be a page for 3.1r1 candidates |
| 23:24.27 | mrbond82 | lilliput - I think screen might be causeing some problems, right? |
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| 23:24.46 | abrotman | vulture: http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.1r1/ |
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| 23:25.42 | MProg | ... so basically if I want (for exemple) KDE 3.4 I either have to wait for Etch to become the new stable distrib or use Etch (unstable) ? |
| 23:25.47 | lilliput | mrbond82, propably |
| 23:26.28 | mrbond82 | lilliput - okay let me try doing it without screen and just using the & at the end okay? |
| 23:26.34 | MProg | (oops ^^ (testing) (not unstable)) |
| 23:26.35 | lilliput | yep |
| 23:26.45 | beardy | MProg: You apparently did not read what dpkg told you, and did not do what he said. |
| 23:27.09 | wam | I'm asked from a few (windows-) guys to host a "teamspeak"-server on one of my servers. Now I find the licence a little bit confusing and I don't like that it's not open-source. Does someone know a nice voip-solution for conference-calls that is GPL or less _and_ has at least a windows-client? |
| 23:27.19 | MProg | or did not understand :/ |
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| 23:27.51 | antgel | MProg: you got it. i would say use stable unless you have a good reason not to |
| 23:28.04 | indypende | where can i get a sid netinst iso? |
| 23:28.24 | abrotman | vulture: see what i mean ? |
| 23:28.31 | antgel | indypende: you don't want that |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | indypende: you can't |
| 23:28.43 | beardy | !iyhtays |
| 23:28.43 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:28.46 | mrbond82 | lilliput - okay now I have ./hlds_i686 -game $game -autoupdate +exec $servercfg +maxplayers $maxplayers +ip $ip +port $port +map $map +sys_ticrate $ticrate < /tmp/input & how do I send a command again? |
| 23:29.19 | indypende | antgel, abrotman how can i get SID? |
| 23:29.40 | vulture | abrotman: *nods* |
| 23:29.40 | antgel | indypende: if you don't know, there is no way you should be using sid |
| 23:29.57 | asmodaiii | antgel: ... |
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| 23:30.08 | abrotman | indypende: just like everyone else .. and if you can't figure it out .. you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 23:30.11 | antgel | asmodaiii: ? |
| 23:30.22 | asmodaiii | antgel: sorry |
| 23:30.26 | indypende | antgel, if i don't know i want to ask! |
| 23:30.33 | indypende | antgel, sorry |
| 23:31.13 | lilliput | mrbond82, echo "command" > /tmp/input |
| 23:31.27 | antgel | indypende: if you want or need to use unstable, you are expected to read documentation to the point where you 1. know how to get it 2. understand the implications |
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| 23:31.53 | blondie | ffs |
| 23:32.12 | lococ | indypende: in the sources.list. change stable for instable. apt-get update; apt dist-upgrade |
| 23:32.24 | azeem | lococ: it's unstable, not instable |
| 23:32.30 | beardy | indypende: And ask lococ when you get in trouble. |
| 23:32.32 | lococ | ups |
| 23:32.33 | madgesture | Anyone know a how to get abcde to encode in mp3 without using lame? I am using Ubuntu |
| 23:32.40 | lococ | right |
| 23:32.43 | antgel | !topicsmite madgesture |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon madgesture. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 23:33.48 | TruLyViRal | how do you make something startup at login? |
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| 23:34.06 | vulture | TruLyViRal: depends what it is, a simple answer would be an on-boot cronjob |
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| 23:34.12 | antgel | TruLyViRal: you mean when you log into x? |
| 23:34.16 | beardy | TruLyViRal: An @reboot cronjob for example. man 5 crontab |
| 23:34.21 | abrotman | lococ: wow .. fucked that up didn't you ? |
| 23:34.21 | abrotman | now shut it |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | mother fucker |
| 23:34.28 | madgesture | ok then riddle me this why was lame removed and abcde still trying to use it? |
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| 23:35.05 | antgel | madgesture: /j #ubuntu for appropriate support |
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| 23:35.19 | abrotman | wtf is going on with my lag |
| 23:35.26 | madgesture | ok so why was it removed from the debian debs |
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| 23:35.38 | abrotman | madgesture: because .. it's not legal to distribute |
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| 23:35.43 | madgesture | ok thanks |
| 23:35.46 | azeem | madgesture: lame was never in Debian |
| 23:35.49 | nvz | TruLyViRal: the 2.6 kernel has built in support in drivers/usb/media/ for the following USB Cams: ibm.c(Xirlink C-It Video Camera, IBM PC Camera,IBM NetCamera and Veo Stingray.) ov511.c(OmniVision OV511 Camera-to-USB Bridge Driver) vicam.c(3COM HomeConnect PC Digital WebCam) stv0680.c(STV0680 Vision Camera Chipset Driver) konica.c(Driver for USB webcams based on Konica chipset. This chipset is used in Intel YC76 camera.) |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | madgesture: now go to #ubuntu |
| 23:36.01 | beardy | abrotman: That was a bit uneccesary, wasn't it?.. |
| 23:36.08 | abrotman | what was ? |
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| 23:36.22 | abrotman | beardy: i was lagging pretty badly |
| 23:36.30 | beardy | abrotman: calling him that |
| 23:36.33 | TruLyViRal | nvz: dually noted |
| 23:36.42 | abrotman | beardy: calling him who ? |
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| 23:36.54 | TruLyViRal | nvz: now to find out what chipset mine is |
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| 23:37.08 | nvz | TruLyViRal: ever seen a glade commercial? |
| 23:37.14 | doleyb | TruLyViRal: plug it, run lsusb, read |
| 23:37.21 | nvz | doleyb: shh :P |
| 23:37.24 | lilliput | keikoz, bonsoir |
| 23:37.30 | keikoz | :) |
| 23:37.50 | azeem | abrotman: calling lococ a mother fucker, I guess, considering lococ just joined 10 minutes before and said only three lines |
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| 23:38.03 | thingfish | yeah, that was a bit harsh. |
| 23:38.14 | beardy | That's what I meant yes. |
| 23:38.17 | abrotman | azeem: that was because of my lag .. |
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| 23:38.32 | abrotman | azeem: i thought i was actually disconnected and it woudl never appear ... |
| 23:38.41 | antgel | brilliant! |
| 23:39.01 | lilliput | mm lame excuse ;) |
| 23:39.12 | DarknessX | which package includes make? |
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| 23:39.25 | abrotman | DarknessX: aren't you running ubuntu still ? |
| 23:39.26 | azeem | heh |
| 23:39.30 | bbrazil | DarknessX: make |
| 23:39.33 | deb80 | hello everybody |
| 23:39.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.39 | nvz | !qotd156 |
| 23:39.39 | dpkg | < koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
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| 23:39.45 | DarknessX | abrotman: I'm certain it's the same package |
| 23:39.57 | abrotman | DarknessX: it dosen't matter . .go to #kubuntu |
| 23:40.03 | DarknessX | although in a different repository |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | DarknessX: GO |
| 23:40.09 | DarknessX | abrotman: I apologize |
| 23:40.15 | azeem | DarknessX: packages.ubuntu.com has a search feature |
| 23:40.50 | DarknessX | forehead, too. |
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| 23:41.51 | deb80 | does anyone know if apt-get proceeds with the next job when an error occur or not? |
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| 23:43.05 | extr3m | what app to use to update bios from linux? |
| 23:43.16 | amorphix | what is qmake? |
| 23:43.27 | azeem | some Qt thingy, I believe |
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| 23:43.38 | nvz | extr3m: linux doesnt care about the bios for the most part |
| 23:43.44 | markybob | amorphix: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qmake-manual-1.html |
| 23:43.48 | amorphix | thanks |
| 23:43.51 | nvz | extr3m: you generally wouldnt update a bios under and OS anyhow |
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| 23:44.09 | nvz | extr3m: it would be a bootable program that only did one thing, flashed the BIOS rom. |
| 23:44.17 | extr3m | nvz, well i needs to update my bios, and all i have is winflash.exe but no win |
| 23:44.19 | deb80 | doesn nobody know how apt-get handels errors?? |
| 23:44.39 | nvz | extr3m: it probably just creates a bootable disk |
| 23:44.45 | azeem | extr3m: see http://www.hadess.net/ |
| 23:44.49 | azeem | extr3m: second entry |
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| 23:45.08 | abrotman | deb80: depends :) |
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| 23:45.46 | iamsthitha | hello |
| 23:46.10 | iamsthitha | is there any gui thing for messing with the init stuff? |
| 23:46.13 | Laibsch | Hi, in what package will I find vncconfig? I can't seem to locate it even with apt-cache search. |
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| 23:46.23 | Laibsch | The man page of vncserver talks about it though |
| 23:46.51 | nvz | !find bin/vncconfig$ |
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| 23:47.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/vncconfig' returned no results. |
| 23:47.06 | lilliput | does any one got a spare power cable ^^ |
| 23:47.08 | azeem | Laibsch: so the manpage appears to be inaccurate |
| 23:47.19 | nvz | lilliput: everyone but you |
| 23:47.43 | TruLyViRal | nvz: pretty much |
| 23:47.54 | TruLyViRal | ive got like 5 extra ^^ |
| 23:48.09 | Laibsch | azeem: In what way sprecifically? vnconfig does exist, the question is whether there is a package containing it available from debian. |
| 23:48.21 | TruLyViRal | ill check for it |
| 23:48.28 | antgel | Laibsch: apt-file search vnc |grep bin shows vnc4config |
| 23:48.28 | nvz | !find bin/vnconfig$ |
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| 23:48.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/vnconfig' returned no results. |
| 23:48.42 | Laibsch | antgel: thanks a lot. |
| 23:49.08 | antgel | Laibsch: which manpage refers to it? |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | vncconfig ? |
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| 23:49.49 | Servo888 | Ok nobody seems to know... maybe somebody will here... Is there a device node in /dev/ for the keyboard?... |
| 23:49.53 | nvz | any manpage that refers to it should have a bug files against that package, and a patch submitted |
| 23:50.00 | witless | when i install a source package, where does the code get installed? |
| 23:50.10 | Laibsch | antgel: Can you do an "apt-cache policy vnc4config"? It is not available from the sources I use. |
| 23:50.13 | azeem | witless: in your current directory |
| 23:50.18 | witless | azeem: thanks |
| 23:50.28 | nvz | !find bin/vnc4config |
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| 23:50.31 | azeem | witless: you don't "install" source packages, apt-get just downloads and extracts them |
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| 23:50.36 | antgel | Laibsch: the package is vnc4server |
| 23:50.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/vnc4config' (1): (/usr/bin/vnc4config) in x11/vnc4server. |
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| 23:50.49 | Servo888 | Am I invisible?... Or maybe there is no device node |
| 23:50.58 | azeem | Servo888: I think there is none |
| 23:51.06 | TruLyViRal | how do i use hunt? |
| 23:51.10 | Servo888 | azeem, hmmm |
| 23:51.12 | antgel | !wayttd Servo888 |
| 23:51.12 | TruLyViRal | for packet sniffing |
| 23:51.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Servo888? |
| 23:51.20 | antgel | !tell TruLyViRal about enter |
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| 23:51.29 | abrotman | w |
| 23:51.30 | abrotman | g |
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| 23:51.45 | Laibsch | Thanks guys, I will hunt down the manpage and install vnc4server |
| 23:51.48 | Servo888 | dpkg, I'm trying to cat the node to figure out if I can lock onto the infrared code that my infrared keyboard uses via a remote control. |
| 23:51.49 | abrotman | that works better .. when you spell 'why' correctly :) |
| 23:51.50 | antgel | abrotman: i thanks this one of your clones is drunk |
| 23:52.01 | Beik | Laibsch, do you mean something like kernel-source? This stuff is found at /usr/src . |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | antgel: thanks .. that guy is always out of control |
| 23:52.09 | Servo888 | wait a section... dpkg isn't a real person... sunava... =\ |
| 23:52.11 | antgel | Laibsch: please raise a bug against the package with the buggy manpage |
| 23:52.12 | Laibsch | Beik: ? |
| 23:52.13 | Servo888 | sec*! |
| 23:52.35 | Beik | Laibsch, upps. sorry. |
| 23:52.38 | antgel | dpkg: are you real |
| 23:52.48 | nvz | !ue antgel |
| 23:52.48 | Laibsch | antgel: I will. I also do not have vnc4server, though. I am using testing. |
| 23:52.49 | dpkg | antgel: /!\ User Error. Replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. [OK] |
| 23:52.50 | Servo888 | antgel, so I guess that was to you if your asking me what I'm trying to do. |
| 23:52.51 | TruLyViRal | !say yes |
| 23:52.52 | dpkg | yes |
| 23:52.57 | TruLyViRal | kewl |
| 23:53.01 | TruLyViRal | i was just guessing |
| 23:53.11 | Beik | witless, do you mean something like kernel-source? This stuff is found at /usr/src . |
| 23:53.15 | nvz | !prize TruLyViRal |
| 23:53.17 | antgel | !tell TruLyViRal about kewl |
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| 23:54.20 | TruLyViRal | " kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool." exactly why i use it, im not kewl |
| 23:54.25 | antgel | TruLyViRal: looking at your /nick hurts |
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| 23:54.31 | nvz | TruLyViRal: so in other words not even uncool people think you are cool? |
| 23:54.39 | TruLyViRal | nope |
| 23:54.40 | beardy | !nickometer TruLyViRal |
| 23:54.41 | dpkg | 'TruLyViRal' is 99.940% lame, beardy |
| 23:55.00 | TruLyViRal | exactly |
| 23:55.00 | NOthsouth | hello, How can I change the vino-server defalt 5900 port ? |
| 23:55.20 | TruLyViRal | anyone here wanna tell me how to use hunt to sniff packets? |
| 23:55.23 | antgel | NOthsouth: please tell us what you have tried in order to achieve this |
| 23:55.30 | azeem | TruLyViRal: never used it, sorry |
| 23:55.42 | nvz | TruLyViRal: rtfm? |
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| 23:55.48 | jan_ | NOthsouth: i guess in your configuration file or in /etc/services |
| 23:55.50 | deb80 | abrotman: for example: when a list of pkgs is given through xargs, how will apt-get proceed when one pkg from is list cannot be installed |
| 23:55.50 | nvz | TruLyViRal: use tcpdump and netdude instead? |
| 23:55.52 | TruLyViRal | nvz: ? |
| 23:55.55 | beardy | TruLyViRal: Its manual will. |
| 23:56.02 | nvz | !RTFM |
| 23:56.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
| 23:56.14 | TruLyViRal | but i like hunt, it can "steal" the connections |
| 23:56.41 | nvz | its not nice to steal |
| 23:56.51 | Laibsch | Strange: http://packages.debian.org/vnc4server says that the package is in unstable and stable but not in testing. Both are the same version. How did that happen? |
| 23:56.53 | TruLyViRal | nvz: but its fun |
| 23:57.03 | deb80 | (or rather would will happen ) |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | deb80: continue i think |
| 23:57.07 | beardy | Laibsch: It happens. |
| 23:57.22 | NOthsouth | jan_, Thx man |
| 23:57.41 | jan_ | NOthsouth: next time, read the manual ! :-) |
| 23:58.39 | doleyb | Laibsch: because it doesn't compile with gcc4 yet. http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vnc4server |
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| 23:59.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:59.06 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 23:59.37 | tarzeau | streuner: noch wach? pro7 ist ja zum kugeln |
| 23:59.55 | antgel | tarzeau: engrish please |
