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| 17:35.56 | jake_ | awesome thanks everyone |
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| 17:38.23 | kittonian | hi all. how do I change the port that ssh is running on? |
| 17:38.37 | kittonian | i tried searching google but didn't come up with anything (which was very odd) |
| 17:38.43 | SimAtWrk | kittonian: client or server? |
| 17:38.55 | Eulex | kittonian, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 17:39.10 | SimAtWrk | kittonian: the first line of my sshd_config is #Port 22, i think this is where you would want to be. |
| 17:39.18 | Eulex | kittonian, for the daemon, that is |
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| 17:40.24 | wireddd | how big should the swap partition be for a laptop with 256mb of ram? |
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| 17:40.45 | Eulex | wireddd, a general rule is twice the size of your ram. |
| 17:40.54 | kittonian | ok thanks |
| 17:41.04 | SimAtWrk | Eulex: do you know where that rule comes from? |
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| 17:41.17 | Eulex | SimAtWrk, no, but I've heard it several times |
| 17:41.22 | SimonRaven | linux kernel 2.2 |
| 17:41.23 | mbuf | Eulex, it doesn't apply to today's hardware, you can run with no swap at all |
| 17:41.25 | SimAtWrk | i use double my ram until i have over 512mb of ram, then i go with matching my ram. |
| 17:41.55 | kittonian | the other question is how do I get ssh to log everything to /var/log/sshd.log instead of it logging to the syslog and not giving me all the relevant information I need such as who is logging in and when |
| 17:42.06 | SimonRaven | you should have some swap, linux VM runs better with it |
| 17:42.20 | SimAtWrk | kittonian: i think you neeed to actually read yur config file |
| 17:42.24 | SimAtWrk | kittonian: and while you're at it man sshd |
| 17:42.34 | wireddd | well its kind of important because I only have a 3 gig hard drive to work with |
| 17:42.42 | kittonian | i am in the config file and on the openssh website. nowhere in the ssh_config is there anything about logging which is why I asked |
| 17:42.59 | SimonRaven | stick it at 256, bare minimum |
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| 17:43.07 | Nico- | /leave/leave |
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| 17:43.13 | Nico- | ooops :) |
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| 17:43.27 | Kovecses | is testing or etch a little better these days? |
| 17:43.35 | SimAtWrk | # Logging #obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging #SyslogFacility AUTH #LogLevel INFO |
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| 17:43.48 | wireddd | Kovecses, i'm using it |
| 17:44.09 | azeem | Kovecses: better than what? |
| 17:44.18 | SimonRaven | kittonian: you're looking at the wrong file |
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| 17:44.28 | Kovecses | azeem, better than it was? |
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| 17:44.50 | kittonian | i am looking at /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 17:44.51 | SimonRaven | kittonian: you want sshd_config, not ssh_ |
| 17:44.57 | kittonian | ahh |
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| 17:45.02 | Kovecses | azeem, i love debian but last time i tried testing it was horrible |
| 17:45.15 | Eulex | azeem, define "horrible" |
| 17:45.35 | Eulex | ah, sorry azeem |
| 17:45.39 | Eulex | Kovecses, ^^ |
| 17:46.15 | wireddd | well testing isn't supposed to be easy |
| 17:46.19 | azeem | Kovecses: well, we are going through some rough transitions right now, so you should keep an eye on what apt-get does. And not upgrade every day if your system works |
| 17:46.19 | Kovecses | Eulex, tons of missing packages...... lots of gnome bugs that type of thing |
| 17:46.29 | Hali_303 | bye |
| 17:46.30 | wireddd | you are going to run into problems every now and then |
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| 17:46.44 | azeem | GNOME-2.10 should have mostly settled by now, I believe |
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| 17:47.17 | Kovecses | is gnome 2.12 in unstable yet? |
| 17:47.23 | azeem | no |
| 17:47.31 | Kovecses | damn |
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| 17:47.49 | Eulex | though it seems to be in experimental... |
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| 17:47.53 | azeem | yes |
| 17:47.59 | Kovecses | gonna have to stick with gentoo for a bit more..... thanks guys |
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| 17:48.07 | SimAtWrk | gentoo for a bit more? |
| 17:48.10 | SimAtWrk | why leave gentoo? |
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| 17:48.16 | Kovecses | im not |
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| 17:48.24 | jbroome | why go there in the first place? :) |
| 17:48.31 | SimAtWrk | you make it soundlike you are unsatisfied with gentoo |
| 17:48.37 | Kovecses | i just have used debian for so long i want to stay loyal |
| 17:48.46 | azeem | SimAtWrk, Kovecses: please consider discussing this elsewhere |
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| 17:49.11 | Kovecses | im not unsatisfied at all with gentoo but like i said ... debian has always been my distro |
| 17:49.16 | Kovecses | i like debian |
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| 17:49.22 | jbroome | it's software, not your wife |
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| 17:49.39 | Kovecses | jbroome, you are missing my point |
| 17:49.48 | Loof | Is there any way to easily change the 'source' IP for curl and/or wget? (or to set it from the shell in some way) |
| 17:50.14 | azeem | Loof: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:50.25 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I make backup archives of certain directories each night. I need those tar files to scp to another machine. Is there anything I can do so I can place this scp'ing in a script and it would NOT ask for password each time? |
| 17:50.27 | Eulex | Loof, do you mean referrer? |
| 17:50.35 | Loof | Nope, the source IP. |
| 17:50.42 | Loof | I've got multiple outbound connections |
| 17:50.47 | Loof | I want to cycle through them |
| 17:50.49 | kittonian | what is the proper syntax for the MaxStartups opion in the sshd_config file? it says the default is "10:30:60" but do I enter this with or without the quotes? |
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| 17:51.01 | SimAtWrk | hid3: use expect |
| 17:51.04 | stew | hid3: create a passwordless ssh-key, man ssh-keygen |
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| 17:51.07 | SimAtWrk | hid3: expect is a great scripting tool. |
| 17:51.07 | zinx | Loof: see the manpages |
| 17:51.16 | SimAtWrk | hid3: what stew said should work well too |
| 17:51.20 | zinx | Loof: you're looking for something that will bind an address |
| 17:51.23 | hid3 | Thanks, will try it |
| 17:51.35 | Serajewel | i'm using x11vnc to export :0 but it's showing nothing but garbage. i was on VT7 when i left my computer, so i issued 'chvt 6' before running x11vnc... still no dice. |
| 17:51.41 | Eulex | Loof, ah, maybe specify what interface you want it it use |
| 17:51.58 | Loof | zinx: there's a 'bind' option in wget... but I didn't see one in curl, which is what I'm currently using |
| 17:52.08 | zinx | Loof: there's one in curl to which is oddly named, --interface |
| 17:52.11 | Serajewel | what would cause this? |
| 17:52.23 | Loof | OOH, damn, I missed it |
| 17:52.27 | Loof | I was search for 'source' |
| 17:52.28 | Loof | and 'ip' |
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| 17:52.32 | Loof | all of that |
| 17:52.42 | Loof | I expected it to source based on IP... not actual interface! :) |
| 17:53.10 | pravnaplavusa89 | dali postoji neko iz SRBIJE |
| 17:53.15 | pravnaplavusa89 | :) |
| 17:53.22 | stew | pravnaplavusa89: english only in here |
| 17:53.24 | Eulex | !yu |
| 17:53.24 | dpkg | hmm... yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
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| 17:53.40 | pravnaplavusa89 | hahah |
| 17:53.41 | dusk | okay, fixed the no desktop/icon bug |
| 17:53.53 | dusk | but.. how do I enter a PW into a PW protected zip file? |
| 17:54.17 | Loof | Thanks. |
| 17:54.19 | Serajewel | ah, stupid me... VT *7* is :0, not 6 |
| 17:54.41 | stew | dusk: man unzip |
| 17:55.25 | Eulex | pravnaplavusa89, sorry, there's no debian channel for your language |
| 17:56.24 | mjk64 | Quick question: Is there a USE flag in Debian (stable)? Just like Gentoo. |
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| 17:56.38 | Eulex | mjk64, what does it do? |
| 17:57.31 | cahoot | mjk64: no - you are your own USE flag |
| 17:57.33 | mjk64 | Eulex: It's a way configuring package builds - both generally (export USE=-X globally, e. g. to build packages w/o X11 support) or per package. |
| 17:57.39 | mjk64 | cahoot: Okay =) |
| 17:57.59 | mjk64 | for? whatever ... |
| 17:58.50 | Eulex | mjk64, dpkg-reconfigure them... that's the only way I can think of without rebuilding the whole package... if you wanna rebuild stuff, check out apt-build |
| 18:00.01 | mjk64 | Eulex: ok! (really away now =) |
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| 18:02.26 | grendal_prime | hey i got a cf card reader |
| 18:02.39 | grendal_prime | i need to mount this sucker..well the card in it... |
| 18:02.46 | grendal_prime | i know nothing about these damn things though |
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| 18:03.00 | karsten | grendal_prime: PCMCIA? |
| 18:03.01 | grendal_prime | pcmcia card that you slam a cf card into? anyone? |
| 18:03.24 | pravnaplavusa89 | Who froom is Serbia??? |
| 18:03.37 | highadder | a ? slightly off topic ... any takers? |
| 18:03.44 | grendal_prime | ya...pcmcia...no not from serbia |
| 18:03.45 | karsten | grendal_prime: You should need the PCMCIA services stuff, I'd expect it to show up as block storage. Check /proc/partitions or /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 18:04.02 | grendal_prime | just by putting it in? |
| 18:04.05 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 18:04.08 | karsten | grendal_prime: Yep. |
| 18:04.14 | stew | grendal_prime: modprobe sd_mod ; and check dmesg |
| 18:04.15 | pravnaplavusa89 | SERBIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 18:04.18 | pravnaplavusa89 | ????????????????????????????????? |
| 18:04.19 | stew | pravnaplavusa89: stop that |
| 18:04.24 | pravnaplavusa89 | :))))))))))))))) |
| 18:04.27 | karsten | grendal_prime: Sorta like USB floppy. |
| 18:04.28 | Supaplex | !ep |
| 18:04.28 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:04.30 | karsten | !ops pravnaplavusa89 |
| 18:04.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: pravnaplavusa89 |
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| 18:04.38 | grendal_prime | wow |
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| 18:04.41 | grendal_prime | noshit |
| 18:04.42 | grendal_prime | hde: LEXAR ATA FLASH, CFA DISK drive |
| 18:04.42 | grendal_prime | ide2 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 3 |
| 18:04.42 | grendal_prime | hde: max request size: 128KiB |
| 18:04.42 | grendal_prime | hde: 503808 sectors (257 MB) w/1KiB Cache, CHS=984/16/32 |
| 18:04.42 | grendal_prime | hde: cache flushes not supported |
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| 18:04.49 | pravnaplavusa89 | JEBITE SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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| 18:04.58 | helix | good god |
| 18:05.00 | grendal_prime | sorry guys..accident |
| 18:05.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke i gave up the raid contoller, im now onto linux sofware raid, can anyone help me there? |
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| 18:05.03 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 18:05.06 | grendal_prime | seriously |
| 18:05.08 | Supaplex | it's permsunday still |
| 18:05.11 | mage_ | grendal_prime: not accident, law. |
| 18:05.11 | karsten | !tell genocide about flood. |
| 18:05.15 | skel | anyone use debian package of partimage-server ? |
| 18:05.18 | highadder | dpkg: is there a way to copy and paste in console mode? |
| 18:05.28 | skel | trying to find some documentation on which config file to edit |
| 18:05.31 | karsten | helix: You called? |
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| 18:05.37 | grendal_prime | anyway... |
| 18:05.43 | highadder | like from one txt file to another/ |
| 18:05.51 | fbi | highadder: apt-get install gpm |
| 18:05.52 | stew | highadder: use gpm to get mouse services in console, or use screen's copy mode |
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| 18:05.57 | grendal_prime | karsten, so its hmmm |
| 18:06.05 | karsten | grendal_prime: ?? |
| 18:06.15 | karsten | highadder: Yes. gpm or screen. |
| 18:06.16 | grendal_prime | tryn to figer exactly how to mount |
| 18:06.16 | highadder | ok thanks ...All |
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| 18:06.31 | grendal_prime | its just /dev/hde..so pretty normal right? |
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| 18:06.45 | karsten | grendal_prime: The devices should present themselves as SCSI disks. Likely not partitioned, with vfat filesystem. |
| 18:06.57 | karsten | grendal_prime: mount -t vfat /dev/hde /mnt |
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| 18:07.09 | harleyg | http://pastebin.com/441188 |
| 18:07.14 | harleyg | any ideas? |
| 18:07.15 | grendal_prime | well these are vfat..there for my zaurus |
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| 18:08.27 | wyawc2000 | hot to insall a package Debian? |
| 18:08.41 | stew | !wikifaq wyawc2000 PackageManagement |
| 18:08.42 | dpkg | wyawc2000: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:08.43 | wyawc2000 | and .csf file , what tools can read?? |
| 18:08.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have 2 disks in my system and i wnat the pratitions: /boot 300MB SWAP 5GB / max and i want that in software raid0, how can i do that under the setup |
| 18:09.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | ? |
| 18:09.02 | karsten | grendal_prime: Luck? |
| 18:09.03 | pravnaplavusa89 | hrvatska????srbija???? |
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| 18:09.08 | stew | !ops pravnaplavusa89 is back |
| 18:09.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: pravnaplavusa89 is back |
| 18:09.20 | helix | hrvatska is awesome |
| 18:09.21 | grendal_prime | nope |
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| 18:09.33 | grendal_prime | bad superblock..or..hold on |
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| 18:09.48 | wyawc2000 | .csf file how to rean in Debian. ??? |
| 18:09.48 | grendal_prime | wrong filesystem |
| 18:09.52 | Fazer | hi is someone here who run Lirc |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | wyawc2000: what is a .csf ? |
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| 18:10.22 | grendal_prime | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev hde. |
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| 18:10.26 | grendal_prime | werid |
| 18:10.26 | karsten | wyawc2000: 'file *.csf' What's it say? |
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| 18:10.34 | wyawc2000 | .csf is a teaching course file. like .mp3 |
| 18:10.35 | karsten | grendal_prime: 'fdisk -l /dev/hde' |
| 18:10.44 | wyawc2000 | like .mp3 |
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| 18:10.54 | grendal_prime | i got stuff on there |
| 18:10.55 | abrotman | wyawc2000: but what application makes it ?> |
| 18:10.55 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 18:10.57 | wyawc2000 | it's only a file style.. |
| 18:11.36 | grendal_prime | /dev/hde1 * 1 983 251632 6 FAT16 |
| 18:11.36 | karsten | wyawc2000: What I told you. Run and post output. |
| 18:11.47 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 18:11.47 | karsten | grendal_prime: mount /dev/hde1 then. |
| 18:11.52 | grendal_prime | hehehei think i figerd..ha |
| 18:11.54 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 18:11.56 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 18:11.57 | wyawc2000 | I don't know. A friend give me, may be that is a in window file.. |
| 18:12.33 | karsten | wyawc2000: Copy the file to your Debian box. Run 'file *.csf'. Tell us what it says. |
| 18:12.41 | wyawc2000 | couldn't show a.csf.. |
| 18:12.43 | karsten | wyawc2000: ... or find the vendors site and RTFM. |
| 18:12.56 | karsten | wyawc2000: Stop being a *complete* moron and copy the file over first. |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | wyawc2000: http://www.infograph.com/csftechbrief.htm |
| 18:13.09 | abrotman | wyawc2000: that kind of file ? |
| 18:13.10 | Eulex | harleyg, the pre-inst script is failing. really only way to check why is to run and examine the script itself (it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/) |
| 18:13.39 | harleyg | ok |
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| 18:14.18 | wyawc2000 | it is a file , like flash or other file, i can see it to learning . It only the teacher's course ... |
| 18:14.49 | wyawc2000 | Sorry, my english is too poor.. |
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| 18:15.10 | karsten | wyawc2000: It's an *application* *specific* file, for all I can tell. The 'file' command will tell you if Linux knows what sort of file it is, and this will actually be useful information. |
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| 18:15.28 | karsten | wyawc2000: ... otherwise, you're just wasting channel bandwidth and are about to hit my /ignore list. |
| 18:15.38 | helix | karsten: please /ignore him then |
| 18:15.45 | helix | there's no reason to call him names etc |
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| 18:15.59 | abrotman | he called him a name ? |
| 18:16.04 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 18:16.06 | takatumi | getting very mushy 'ere. |
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| 18:16.17 | Supaplex | I can feel the love! |
| 18:16.29 | SimAtWrk | oh sorry Supaplex |
| 18:16.36 | SimAtWrk | i was hoping you wouldn't notice till i was done. |
| 18:16.44 | azeem | ... |
| 18:16.52 | Eulex | lol |
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| 18:17.00 | grendal_prime | ya that rocks |
| 18:17.06 | Supaplex | iz' ok. it was good. =) |
| 18:17.09 | grendal_prime | makes things sooo much easyer thanks man |
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| 18:17.18 | grendal_prime | ummm woman... |
| 18:17.20 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 18:17.36 | takatumi | !agi bum |
| 18:17.37 | dpkg | aptitude install bum |
| 18:17.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone help me with software raid? |
| 18:17.48 | SimAtWrk | anyone know why someone visiting hotmail.com would make a linux box think it was receiving a syn flood? |
| 18:17.51 | grendal_prime | name is not gender specific ... karsten |
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| 18:17.59 | mage_ | DJ-Marcuzz: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
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| 18:18.24 | bowman | heya. I know this is not the apt-cache-search channel, anyways: anyone know of a "visual" html editor? direction dreamweaver or something similar. |
| 18:18.32 | Eulex | SimAtWrk, because M$ is acting Big Brother |
| 18:18.34 | hid3 | How should I properly exclude directories from being archived when using tar? I use `tar --exclude=archive.tar.gz --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/sys/* --exclude=/home/ftp/* archive.tar.gz .` but it seems not to work.. |
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| 18:18.55 | mage_ | gvim ? :p |
| 18:18.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | im installing debian, but installing i\on a fake raid card failed, so now its over to option 2, software raid, but how can i install debian on my 2 equal disks in software raid1? |
| 18:19.08 | takatumi | bowman: looked at nvu, bluefish? |
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| 18:19.11 | bowman | mage_: :) |
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| 18:19.23 | bowman | takatumi: nvu nope, bluefish yes, I use it for php projects |
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| 18:19.36 | Eulex | bowman, screem :) |
| 18:19.46 | karsten | grendal_prime: Man. |
| 18:19.47 | mage_ | DJ-Marcuzz: the installer from sarge support raid |
| 18:19.53 | abrotman | bowman: bluefish does html too |
| 18:19.59 | karsten | grendal_prime: ... and actually, it is. |
| 18:20.04 | bowman | abrotman: yep |
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| 18:20.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | the software raid or the fakeraid? |
| 18:20.20 | mage_ | what do you mean by fakeraid ? |
| 18:20.40 | abrotman | not true hardware raid |
| 18:20.47 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 18:20.47 | jvw | hid3: I suspect you don't know exactly how tar works, you need to tell it what to do, like adding -czf in your case, I guess |
| 18:20.47 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 18:20.50 | bowman | I'll check those hints, thanks all |
| 18:20.51 | mage_ | if you want to raid-ize an existing installation you have to do a little trick |
| 18:21.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | there is a onboad fasttrack 100 controller but when i set it to RAID1 and set up linux it says that there are 2 disks not the raid1 |
| 18:21.10 | Eulex | DJ-Marcuzz, fake raid = raid controlled by the bios? |
| 18:21.15 | asuffield | fake raid is when you have a 'hardware' raid device that's just a bios - once the system has booted it's all done in software |
| 18:21.22 | mage_ | forget thoses stupide low-cost raid cards ... |
| 18:21.25 | asuffield | so the hardware device is used *only* at boot time |
| 18:21.30 | hid3 | jvw: oops, I missed that upon typing. |
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| 18:22.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | im going to install another fakeraid card later, but that should work fine :P |
| 18:22.08 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone could tell me why my mc looks for a DNS translation when is run? Note that I'm not invoking it with any argument, nor I shutdown it with a ftp or similar pane open. Any hint? |
| 18:22.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | but now, how to installl linux in a RAID1 then? |
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| 18:22.54 | jvw | hid3: simply drop the '*' then, and also, I think excludes need to be relative, so drop the initial / |
| 18:22.55 | asuffield | I usually just install into a 2Gb partition on the bottom of one of the disks, then create the raid volumes and copy the system into them |
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| 18:22.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow, i have debian 3.1 |
| 18:23.00 | Roch | hello |
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| 18:23.30 | karsten | abrotman: There is. |
| 18:23.35 | asuffield | aren't winmodems dead already? |
| 18:23.36 | karsten | abrotman: It's called your local gun club. |
| 18:23.43 | abrotman | asuffield: you wish |
| 18:23.56 | asuffield | abrotman: dude, I haven't used a modem for anything in about five years |
| 18:24.00 | asuffield | well, not a narrowband modem |
| 18:24.04 | asuffield | only DSL modems nowadays |
| 18:24.20 | abrotman | asuffield: yeah .. i have a winmodem in my laptop .. and they even now have those damn AMR modem cards |
| 18:24.35 | asuffield | ah yes, AMR |
| 18:24.45 | asuffield | a technology to make it simple to implement modems |
| 18:24.46 | abrotman | (though there are drivers fro my laptop's modem .. if i ever remember to compile them) |
| 18:24.46 | bowman | the good old winmodem... |
| 18:24.47 | numist | I use a modem as a coaster now and then |
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| 18:24.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | i still don't know how to install then, inm in the debian installer, and i see an raid option, but how to set it up? |
| 18:24.50 | asuffield | invented after modems because obsolete |
| 18:25.00 | asuffield | such a wonderful bit of planning there |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | asuffield: afaik .. it's supposed to be a general purpose connector .. so possible for network cards also |
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| 18:25.30 | zinx | people still use modems in the US, because the broadband monopolies are even worse than the phone company monopolies |
| 18:25.48 | abrotman | err .. osrry .. for audio |
| 18:26.04 | jmhal | is there a way to remove a package with apt-get erasing all the config files too ? |
| 18:26.12 | bowman | jmhal: --purge |
| 18:26.24 | jmhal | bowman thanks |
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| 18:26.37 | abrotman | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/CNR.html |
| 18:26.56 | bonz | zinx: not just in the US |
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| 18:27.33 | Bonkers | is there a way to have all that part1 part2 part3 stuff rescanned on the debian testing install CD? the installer can't format my root partition because the part3 device doesn't exist for some reason |
| 18:28.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone tell me how to use the software raid,i need it baldly and i need it quick, please |
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| 18:28.48 | Nosaj | hellp |
| 18:28.52 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: did you listen to what asuffield said? |
| 18:29.02 | abrotman | Nosaj: vague! |
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| 18:29.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | hes talking about modems |
| 18:29.08 | Cope | azeem: yes? |
| 18:29.28 | asuffield | abrotman: or maybe he's a lispian, and asking if this is hell |
| 18:29.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:29.44 | Nosaj | I need help setting up the network interface for ethereal |
| 18:29.45 | azeem | Cope: I wasn't talking to you, sorry |
| 18:29.57 | bowman | Nosaj: eth0, promiscuous mode :) |
| 18:30.01 | Nosaj | what do they want, i've tried everything |
| 18:30.11 | Cope | azeem: ok :) |
| 18:30.11 | Nosaj | I tried it |
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| 18:30.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, im talking about the normal linux software raid, how do i set that up under the install? |
| 18:30.24 | bowman | Nosaj: does the interface support prom. mode? |
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| 18:30.32 | Nosaj | no sure |
| 18:30.32 | DevilChaos | hi im having real trouble with my xserver when i managed the net install everything was fine untill i rebooted adn x broke can anyone help with this as ive tryed various things to sort this out but to no avail |
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| 18:30.45 | bowman | Nosaj: then... check it. I have to go, ask the others - good luck |
| 18:30.52 | Nosaj | thx |
| 18:30.52 | DevilChaos | iv also been to the xorg website and read various faqs |
| 18:31.10 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: I never did it, did you read the installation manual? |
| 18:31.13 | bonz | Nosaj: I doubt you tried everything because my 10lb sledge is still here |
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| 18:31.31 | Bonkers | ok, what's the recommended debian net installer to use? I've tried the graphical installer alpha, the video was so bad I couldn't see anything, I'm trying the "regular" testing installer, it can't find my partitions, what should I use? |
| 18:31.38 | takatumi | DevilChaos: no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 18:31.40 | azeem | DevilChaos: you should be more specific than just "x broke" |
| 18:31.40 | Nosaj | lol |
| 18:31.53 | azeem | Bonkers: install Sarge |
| 18:32.02 | azeem | Bonkers: upgrade to testing from there, if you must |
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| 18:32.22 | Bonkers | azeem: do you know if the installer is any different? |
| 18:32.30 | DevilChaos | brb with log info sorry x |
| 18:32.55 | azeem | Bonkers: it is better tested |
| 18:32.59 | Nosaj | so if the network card doesn't support promiscuous mode, it's not able to read incoming packets |
| 18:33.01 | Nosaj | ? |
| 18:33.10 | azeem | Bonkers: so I suggest you try that first, and if that does not work, come back here |
| 18:33.39 | Bonkers | azeem: well the problem I'm having doesn't even seem to be installer related |
| 18:34.00 | Eulex | Bonkers, it does |
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| 18:34.36 | Bonkers | if I go to the shell, /dev/discs/disc0/part3 does not exist even thoguh fdisk on /dev/discs/disc0/disk does show 3 partitions |
| 18:35.11 | Bonkers | just tried install24 actually on the debian testing installer, seems to at least find the parititon now |
| 18:35.13 | azeem | Bonkers: maybe one is a logical partition? |
| 18:35.21 | Eulex | Bonkers, aaanyway, those you have tried are not official yet, and therefore there's no support for them. go try the official one. |
| 18:35.24 | Bonkers | it's a broken kernel I guess |
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| 18:37.48 | takatumi | Bonkers: which kernel is broken? 2.4 or 2.6? both are available from the installer. |
| 18:38.01 | Bonkers | takatumi: seems the 2.6 one was broken, it's working now with 2.4 |
| 18:38.28 | poonj | hey guys |
| 18:38.34 | poonj | I'm using xorg 4.3 |
| 18:38.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | what file system touse on file servers? ext3? |
| 18:38.41 | Eulex | poonj, you're not. |
| 18:38.56 | poonj | is htere such a program similar to xf86config that I can use to configure the xserver? |
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| 18:39.40 | takatumi | poonj: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:39.44 | darkness_ | Hi, can someone kindly give me a link to harden openssh? |
| 18:39.49 | Eulex | poonj, you don't. you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, depending on if you're on xorg of xfree86, which you've failed to tell us |
| 18:39.56 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: sounds good |
| 18:40.10 | poonj | okay |
| 18:40.10 | poonj | thanks |
| 18:40.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok |
| 18:40.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | adn for LVM2, becaus the file system needs to be flexelble |
| 18:40.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | ? |
| 18:40.59 | Eulex | poonj, xfree86 is 4.3. xorg is 6.8.2. (in debian) |
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| 18:41.16 | sandman | Links with SSL support can't be distributed due to licensing issues? |
| 18:41.22 | sandman | Why is it currently being distributed elsewhere, then? |
| 18:41.30 | blondie | sandman: debian bullshit probably |
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| 18:41.50 | darkness_ | Does the debian website have docs on hardening openssh? |
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| 18:41.59 | syl-2 | hi there, how can i get "permission denied" when trying to run a shell script as root ? |
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| 18:42.11 | czr | syl-2, your first line is incorrect |
| 18:42.18 | sandman | blondie: Well it doesn't make any sense to me. SSL support is GPL'd, fine and good, and so is links. |
| 18:42.19 | czr | and maybe you don't have +x on your script |
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| 18:42.31 | blondie | sandman: don't know why |
| 18:42.32 | czr | I thought openssl is under bsd-like license |
| 18:42.41 | sandman | It's free, nonetheless |
| 18:42.51 | takatumi | darkness_: tried the links here? /msg dpkg harden |
| 18:42.57 | czr | might be incompatible with GPL though |
| 18:43.02 | abrotman | sandman: iirc .. needs a license exception .. ask debian-legal |
| 18:43.03 | Eulex | sandman, I seem to recall that openssl has the ad-clause |
| 18:43.13 | czr | me too eulex |
| 18:43.23 | syl-2 | czr: thank you, that's correct... but i didn't know that even root could be refused something |
| 18:43.28 | Nosaj | where can I find if my card supports promiscuous mode? |
| 18:43.36 | abrotman | mii-tool ? |
| 18:43.55 | czr | syl-2, if x is not set, then fs access will fail |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | sandman: actually .. the BTS may hold a clue |
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| 18:44.07 | abrotman | sandman: lynx or links ? |
| 18:44.19 | czr | syl-2, also if first line is incorrect, then kernel will fail. |
| 18:44.36 | czr | syl-2, generally, if you do silly things, it won't matter whether you're root or not, it might fail :-) |
| 18:44.37 | syl-2 | what is "first line" ? i looked, it's actually a comment |
| 18:44.54 | czr | first line normally is like: #!/bin/sh or similar |
| 18:45.04 | syl-2 | czr: lol, maybe especially if i'm root, they'll fail :P |
| 18:45.04 | belmondino | Hi, if I use debconf with the environment variable DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE for overrides, where would debconf write configuration data to? |
| 18:45.08 | czr | it's a comment for the shell. but it's a special feature of UNIX kernels for kernels |
| 18:45.10 | belmondino | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.11 | Eulex | czr, yep, we we're right |
| 18:45.14 | Eulex | sandman, http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 18:45.22 | darkness_ | Tks, got it takatumi. |
| 18:45.32 | czr | I always did wonder how on earth GPLed software linked against openssl and got away with it |
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| 18:46.15 | dalfox | Não entendo nada do que vcs falam |
| 18:46.28 | sandman | So why is it that Debian is the _only_ distro that obeys this? |
| 18:46.35 | dalfox | falem em portugues por favor |
| 18:46.40 | azeem | !pt |
| 18:46.41 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:46.42 | sandman | I say Debian should go ahead and prosecute the other distros |
| 18:46.44 | syl-2 | dalfox: sim, posso ajudar? |
| 18:46.48 | syl-2 | doh |
| 18:46.50 | SimonRaven | !portuguese |
| 18:46.50 | dpkg | portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:46.52 | blondie | stupid bloody lawyers |
| 18:46.54 | azeem | sandman: because the others don't care, maybe |
| 18:46.58 | Nosaj | abrotman, It says not mii interfaces found... e.g. it doesn't support it, and i'm screwed? |
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| 18:47.04 | Eulex | sandman, don't ask us. ask the others. and debian itself can't prosecute. |
| 18:47.09 | Nosaj | *no |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | Nosaj: hrm .. not sure |
| 18:47.13 | sandman | For violating licensing. :) It would increase Debian's popularity in the end, at least. It would unify the OSS community to a small degree, which could be nice. |
| 18:47.18 | blondie | sandman: no |
| 18:47.22 | sandman | Eulex: Yeah, but hte lawyers on the legal team can |
| 18:47.25 | czr | syl-2, things that happen when you ask kernel to execute file 'foo'. kernel will check if you have execute right on the file. if not, EACCESS. then, read the first 512 bytes of the file into buffer. pass the buffer to each executable format driver in kernel. if they recognize it as their own (ELF), they will load it to memory and blah blah. if not, kernel checks if the buffer starts with '#!', if so, it will exec the given application and give the name 'foo |
| 18:47.25 | czr | ' to the app as param 1. |
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| 18:47.30 | blondie | sandman: no they can't |
| 18:47.31 | azeem | sandman: only copyright holders can sue |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | Nosaj: maybe etherconf ? |
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| 18:47.38 | Nosaj | ok |
| 18:47.38 | abrotman | Nosaj: how old/new is this NIC ? |
| 18:47.42 | sandman | azeem: Oh. Why aren't they doing that? |
| 18:47.44 | dalfox | i'm braziliam |
| 18:47.44 | blondie | only copyright holders or their appointed agents can |
| 18:47.45 | czr | Nosaj, try ethtool |
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| 18:47.50 | Eulex | !br |
| 18:47.50 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:47.50 | azeem | sandman: ask them, not us |
| 18:47.55 | sandman | azeem: Okay, okay. |
| 18:48.00 | blondie | dalfox: is that like brazlian? |
| 18:48.04 | blondie | bugger |
| 18:48.07 | czr | depends on the NIC driver which interface they support. mii or ethtool. some support both |
| 18:48.07 | blondie | brazilian |
| 18:48.21 | Eulex | !prize blondie |
| 18:48.23 | Nosaj | abrotman, real new |
| 18:48.39 | czr | Nosaj, check ethtool |
| 18:48.40 | Nosaj | abrotman, I mean it not old technology |
| 18:48.42 | Nosaj | ok |
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| 18:49.10 | blondie | :( |
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| 18:50.35 | aj_ | has anyone here ever installed cairo and it messed things up i can't even get gdm to come up now |
| 18:50.52 | Nosaj | czr, ok, it supports auto-neg... is that it? |
| 18:50.55 | azeem | aj_: are you running stable? |
| 18:51.00 | aj_ | yeah |
| 18:51.03 | aj_ | i mean no |
| 18:51.08 | aj_ | its testing |
| 18:51.09 | czr | Nosaj, what was your original question again? |
| 18:51.09 | Eulex | aj_, tough luck. reinstall the packages that were damaged. |
| 18:51.13 | SimAtWrk | no? |
| 18:51.38 | Eulex | aj_, whose testing? |
| 18:51.58 | aj_ | well its sid |
| 18:52.05 | aj_ | i always forget what its called |
| 18:52.06 | takatumi | aj_: checked bugs.debian.org? or querybts? |
| 18:52.09 | SimonRaven | lives next to unstable |
| 18:52.17 | Eulex | !its |
| 18:52.18 | dpkg | i guess its is the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System |
| 18:52.26 | aj_ | but the problem is i wanted this cairo theme for gtk |
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| 18:52.35 | sandman | So links can't be "distributed" with SSL support builtin.. meaning, in binary form. |
| 18:52.42 | aj_ | and now all my gtk apps give an error about undefined symbol so i think thats why gdm fails |
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| 18:52.49 | sandman | Wouldn't it still be legal to distribute it in source form with the SSL option avaialble? |
| 18:52.58 | sandman | the clause only applies to binary distribution Ithink, yes? |
| 18:53.12 | abrotman | sandman: did you read the link Eulex showed you ? |
| 18:53.18 | Nosaj | czr, I need to ultimently get the interface field for ethereal working, and to do that I needed to find out if my card supported promiscuous mode |
| 18:53.19 | sandman | abrotman: Part of it |
| 18:53.19 | czr | applies to any distribution sandman |
| 18:53.36 | abrotman | sandman: try reading the whole thing |
| 18:53.37 | takatumi | sandman: check the mailing lists, there are probably huge threads about it. |
| 18:53.39 | czr | Nosaj, I don't understand. interface field? |
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| 18:53.47 | czr | Nosaj, all NICs support promiscuous |
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| 18:53.53 | czr | if we're talking about ethernet |
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| 18:53.59 | abrotman | czr: all newer ones |
| 18:54.05 | czr | even the older ones |
| 18:54.10 | abrotman | but not all older ones |
| 18:54.18 | czr | all PCI ones. ok? |
| 18:54.25 | abrotman | yeah .. that's "newer" :) |
| 18:54.30 | abrotman | :( .. i'm old |
| 18:54.32 | czr | PCI is from 92 I think ;-) |
| 18:54.41 | czr | or smt thereabouts |
| 18:54.43 | Bonkers | I'm only 21 and I've used ethernet cards that don't support promiscuous... |
| 18:54.55 | abrotman | Bonkers: you old fart! |
| 18:55.12 | czr | Nosaj, ifconfig eth0 +promisc |
| 18:55.19 | Nosaj | czr, alright, I need to turn it on then or somthing... cause when I put "eth0" in the interface field it says The capture session could not be initiated (socket: Operation not permitted). |
| 18:55.20 | Nosaj | Please check to make sure you have sufficient permissions, and that |
| 18:55.20 | Nosaj | you have the proper interface or pipe specified. |
| 18:55.22 | maxkueng | Hello. I have a cordless USB Mouse (Labtec) and when i plug it in. It doesn't react. I'm new to Debian (and the whole GNU/Linux thing). Could someone help me please? |
| 18:55.23 | Nosaj | sry |
| 18:55.27 | czr | Nosaj, ah |
| 18:55.30 | dondelelcaro | angel2: pong |
| 18:55.35 | czr | Nosaj, you need to run the tool as root |
| 18:55.42 | Nosaj | ok |
| 18:55.43 | czr | Nosaj, normal users do not have the capability of setting promisc |
| 18:55.44 | sandman | Why doesn't the GPL just incorporate an exception with regards to the aforementioned openssl clauses _only_ |
| 18:55.45 | eeyore- | maxkueng: run "hotplug" |
| 18:55.46 | hid3 | I need to start one script from crontab if day of week is wednesday and another if day of month is 15th. How should I make so the first script WON'T run if it is wednesday and the 15th day? Is it possible? |
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| 18:55.58 | maxkueng | eeyore-, as root or as user? |
| 18:56.01 | Nosaj | but it's a GUI |
| 18:56.06 | czr | sandman, because it would have to do that for 1000 different licenses as well |
| 18:56.06 | Nosaj | czr, |
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| 18:56.14 | eeyore- | maxkueng: (and in addition to hotplug, you set up a secondary mouse input device in X) |
| 18:56.15 | dimes | Hi all, prolly an old question but I cant find anything on google or the faq. Can someone point me at a link or doc that has info on installing sarge with an Updated kernel? I have a 3ware 9550SX card that the standard kernel does not see |
| 18:56.17 | dondelelcaro | hid3: just have the script check to see if it's wednesday the 15th |
| 18:56.18 | karsten | helix: /msg |
| 18:56.19 | czr | sandman, read about GNU philosophy and you'll understand why not |
| 18:56.22 | eeyore- | maxkueng: did you install the "hotplug" package? |
| 18:56.28 | nvz | maxkueng: I know you were probably expecting that mouse to dance a jig when it realized it was working with the coolest OS on the planet.. but its not going to happen |
| 18:56.30 | jade | if i add a user to the /etc/group file for a particular group (e.g. www-data), should the user be able to begin writing to the files immediately? |
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| 18:56.39 | sandman | czr: Why must things be so damned complicated |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | i don't think it was an either/or |
| 18:56.49 | abrotman | sandman: blame lawyers |
| 18:56.53 | karsten | dimes: apt-get install <kernel> or aptitude install <kernel> |
| 18:56.55 | czr | sandman, different people want different things. you don't like it? code your own system ;-) |
| 18:56.55 | sandman | czr: Seems like even when you're trying to be good, you can't help but break the law |
| 18:56.56 | stew | jade: no, they have to re-login or run newgrp www-data |
| 18:56.59 | blame | :> |
| 18:57.01 | maxkueng | eeyore-, i don't konw |
| 18:57.03 | thingfish | !tell dimes about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 18:57.05 | sandman | czr: I see. |
| 18:57.06 | jade | stew, thanks |
| 18:57.07 | karsten | dimes: apt-cache search kernel for targets. |
| 18:57.08 | czr | sandman, there is a GPL project to implement SSL |
| 18:57.09 | eeyore- | X is still in the dark ages as far as plugging/unplugging input devices is concerned :-p |
| 18:57.11 | maxkueng | eeyore-, let me try |
| 18:57.14 | eeyore- | maxkueng: "dselect" |
| 18:57.14 | dimes | karsten: No I mean on Initial Install of Debian |
| 18:57.17 | sandman | czr: It just seems like a lot of extra work |
| 18:57.20 | czr | sandman, of course |
| 18:57.24 | dondelelcaro | hid3: something like [ "$(date +%d)" == "15" ] && ... |
| 18:57.26 | sandman | czr: Well, I suppose. |
| 18:57.30 | thingfish | dimes: read what dpkg just told you. |
| 18:57.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, when i pull out my cd rom drive grub gives error 21, why? |
| 18:57.35 | sandman | Sometimes it seems like Debian is all on its own |
| 18:57.37 | Nosaj | czr, did you get that? |
| 18:57.40 | karsten | dimes: Ah. ^^ |
| 18:57.41 | stew | jade: if they run newgrp, everything they do until "exit" will be with the www-data group credentials however |
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| 18:57.51 | sandman | Like the rest of OSS, and the rest of the software "industry" in general is completely against you guys |
| 18:57.57 | czr | Nosaj, get what? I only saw 'czr,' |
| 18:58.01 | dondelelcaro | hid3: or perhaps != depending |
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| 18:58.06 | sandman | At least sometimes it seems that way. |
| 18:58.07 | Nosaj | czr, it's a GUI, I can't run it from root |
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| 18:58.12 | czr | sandman, same issues plague all other distros too |
| 18:58.14 | Nosaj | czr, sry |
| 18:58.17 | hid3 | dondelelcaro: I think I'll make it with crontab only. something like giving for it wednesday and all days of month except 15th. Should work :) Thanks for suggestion anyway |
| 18:58.20 | czr | sandman, other distros violate GPL |
| 18:58.26 | Nosaj | czr, I forgot to put czr |
| 18:58.28 | maxkueng | eeyore-, i executed hotplug - nothing happened |
| 18:58.32 | czr | Nosaj, what program are you running? |
| 18:58.35 | sandman | czr: And nobody does anything abou tit |
| 18:58.37 | Nosaj | ethereal |
| 18:58.44 | czr | sandman, blame openssl devs |
| 18:58.51 | czr | sandman, they could dual-license the lib |
| 18:58.55 | Nosaj | czr, ethereal |
| 18:58.58 | karsten | hid3: My solution is to start each script each day (or each candidate day) and embed the test within the script itself. |
| 18:58.59 | eeyore- | maxkueng: (and in addition to hotplug, you set up a secondary mouse input device in X) |
| 18:59.00 | dimes | Thank you on the link to the iso, any pointers if I need a 2.6.14 boot image? |
| 18:59.11 | maxkueng | eeyore-, how do i do that? |
| 18:59.13 | czr | Nosaj, run it from the command line like this: a) open terminal, b) su, c) ethereal |
| 18:59.19 | eeyore- | maxkueng: edit the X config file ... |
| 18:59.33 | karsten | hid3: For a similar discussion and some date/cron tricks, see http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-March/011105.html |
| 18:59.34 | maxkueng | eeyore-, wait, let me find it |
| 18:59.41 | hid3 | thanks. |
| 18:59.42 | dondelelcaro | hid3: well, you can do that in crontab too... it'd just be * * 0-14,16-31 * wed ... |
| 18:59.43 | Nosaj | czr, (ethereal:4220): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:... becasue it's a GUI |
| 18:59.44 | karsten | hid3: Note that I updated the scripts to account for a bug. |
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| 18:59.50 | sewi | hello, when I create a file by touch file.txt it gets user=sewi and group=sewi, and I would like have by default group=users for sewi. Any idea how to change it? |
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| 18:59.53 | czr | Nosaj, I know it's GUI |
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| 18:59.59 | czr | Nosaj, what env are you using now? |
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| 19:00.04 | maxkueng | eeyore-, ok.. the file is open |
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| 19:00.09 | Nosaj | czr, env? |
| 19:00.11 | dondelelcaro | hid3: actualy, sorry; that won't work. |
| 19:00.15 | czr | Nosaj, environment. gnome/kde/etc |
| 19:00.15 | Kovecses | !k3b etch |
| 19:00.23 | karsten | dondelelcaro: No, that would be satisfies *any* of (days of month) _OR_ (weekday) |
| 19:00.27 | maxkueng | eeyore-, Section "InputDevice" |
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| 19:00.31 | Nosaj | czr, oh openbox |
| 19:00.32 | dondelelcaro | karsten: see my previous statement. |
| 19:00.38 | Eulex | !find k3b etch |
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| 19:00.45 | czr | Nosaj, copy .Xauthority from your home dir under /root/ |
| 19:00.48 | czr | Nosaj, then try again |
| 19:00.59 | czr | but you need to use su, not su - |
| 19:01.02 | maxkueng | eeyore-, and now? Please excuse, I'm very new to Linux |
| 19:01.04 | Kovecses | Eulex, so its still not in there? |
| 19:01.11 | karsten | czr: Proper method is xauth merge <user's .Xauthority> |
| 19:01.24 | Eulex | Kovecses, no |
| 19:01.26 | abrotman | Eulex: not in etch |
| 19:01.28 | Kovecses | damn |
| 19:01.31 | abrotman | !why is etch not in testing |
| 19:01.33 | czr | karsten, good to know, but who would run X desktop as root anyway? ;-) |
| 19:01.35 | dpkg | etch is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=etch |
| 19:01.36 | Eulex | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | !why is l3b not in testing |
| 19:01.37 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 19:01.38 | dpkg | l3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=l3b |
| 19:01.39 | eeyore- | maxkueng: mmmmm, one sec |
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| 19:01.44 | Eulex | abrotman, good question :))) |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | oh damn .. i'm diong pretty bad :) |
| 19:01.50 | karsten | czr: Morons. |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | Eulex: i know why .. it's for Kovecses |
| 19:01.54 | Nosaj | czr, copy .Xauthority to /root/? |
| 19:02.02 | czr | Nosaj, do as karsten said |
| 19:02.06 | Eulex | abrotman, I know :) |
| 19:02.14 | czr | Nosaj, su -; xauth merge /home/BLAH/.Xauthority |
| 19:02.19 | czr | like that karsten? |
| 19:02.30 | eeyore- | maxkueng: read the section "ServerLayout", do you have two mouses in there? if so, what are their names? (show me the two lines) |
| 19:02.30 | karsten | czr: ... Plato, Aristotle, Socrates.... |
| 19:02.41 | karsten | czr: ... Yes. |
| 19:02.55 | sandman | Is it just me, or is elinks nicer than links2? It even provides terminal colors for pages that would normally incorporate a lot of color |
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| 19:02.59 | sandman | It really is quite nice. |
| 19:03.02 | czr | I've never used merge myself, that's why I asked |
| 19:03.12 | karsten | czr: NP. |
| 19:03.25 | nvz | sandman: links2 -g |
| 19:03.29 | karsten | czr: It's also useful when running a specific X client under root (some admin tools require this). |
| 19:03.31 | maxkueng | eeyore-, yes. "Configured Mouse" and "Generic Mouse" |
| 19:03.38 | karsten | czr: 'sux' is a tool which automates this. |
| 19:03.39 | czr | karsten, I guess merge will add to existing auth-stuff the auth stuff stored in other .Xauthority? |
| 19:03.40 | Kovecses | rhythmbox sucks |
| 19:03.43 | sandman | nvz: Yeah but that's graphical |
| 19:03.53 | karsten | czr: yeah, without clobbering root's existing .Xauthority. |
| 19:03.55 | sandman | nvz: I'm referring tothe console. It does a lot with those few resources :) |
| 19:04.04 | karsten | czr: ... and symlinking user => root is Just Plain Bad[tm]. |
| 19:04.05 | czr | karsten, but it will merge forever. right? |
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| 19:04.18 | czr | how would one symlink user to root? |
| 19:04.21 | karsten | czr: No. Snapshots at current time. Re-merge later if the user starts another session. |
| 19:04.25 | maxkueng | eeyore-, one must be the touchpad |
| 19:04.29 | czr | ah, you mean symlinkin the .xauth :-) |
| 19:04.37 | nvz | czr: change the uid to 0 |
| 19:04.37 | karsten | czr: cd /root; ln -s /home/user/.Xauthority . |
| 19:04.38 | eeyore- | maxkueng: there may be several ServerLayout sections. are you sure you're looking at the right one? :-) just checking. ok, anyhow, read the InputDevice section(s) corresponding to your "Configured Mouse" and "Generic Mouse", and see if one of them refer to /dev/input/mice |
| 19:04.43 | karsten | czr: Right. |
| 19:04.50 | Nosaj | czr, that did seem to work either |
| 19:04.51 | karsten | czr: Mind, that's bad. |
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| 19:04.53 | nvz | would be really stupid thing to do IMO |
| 19:04.55 | czr | yeah, got it. was thinking of symlinking user homedir to /root/ ;--) |
| 19:04.57 | Eulex | sandman, one of them has tabs... links2 hangs occasionally... elinks "shows" every image, even if there's no alt-text for it |
| 19:05.00 | karsten | czr: Heh. |
| 19:05.31 | czr | Nosaj, what did you do, step by step? |
| 19:05.33 | eeyore- | maxkueng: you'd probably want to make "Generic Mouse" refer to /dev/input/mice for its device (option "Device" "/dev/input/mice") |
| 19:05.41 | takatumi | and lynx? |
| 19:05.51 | karsten | takatumi: Endangered species. |
| 19:06.13 | Nosaj | from my use I entered "su -; xauth merge /home/jason/.Xauthority" on the cmd line |
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| 19:06.31 | eeyore- | make all the users have uid=0 :-) |
| 19:06.34 | czr | Nosaj, well, su - first, then xauth merge as separate command |
| 19:06.36 | eeyore- | live happily ever after |
| 19:06.41 | karsten | eeyore-: <coff> |
| 19:06.43 | Eulex | eeyore-, eeewwwww |
| 19:06.47 | Nosaj | czr, |
| 19:06.47 | czr | ah. |
| 19:06.50 | Nosaj | czr, ok |
| 19:06.52 | takatumi | karsten: chimera? |
| 19:06.58 | maxkueng | eeyore-, Generic Mouse already has the line 'option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"" |
| 19:07.06 | czr | Nosaj, you only need to xauth merge once now |
| 19:07.11 | karsten | takatumi: tries to kick ass, barks shins, falls over, and dies. |
| 19:07.16 | abrotman | karsten: sash? from ibm ? |
| 19:07.24 | eeyore- | maxkueng: ok, and when you move the external mouse there's no cursor movement? |
| 19:07.26 | czr | Nosaj, the problem is that su - will forget about DISPLAY. so once you done it once, then use 1) su, 2) ethereal |
| 19:07.30 | maxkueng | eeyore-, but "Protocol" is "ImPS/2" |
| 19:07.35 | karsten | takatumi: It's an Athena widget (xtk) browser. |
| 19:07.41 | eeyore- | maxkueng: it's probably ok (protocol-wise) |
| 19:07.42 | karsten | abrotman: Stand Alone Shel. |
| 19:07.47 | Eulex | karsten, yw :) btw, what's a sash? :D |
| 19:07.49 | karsten | abrotman: s/el/ell/ |
| 19:07.51 | maxkueng | eeyore-, no, no movement |
| 19:07.52 | abrotman | karsten: you don't remember sash ? |
| 19:07.56 | karsten | abrotman: No. |
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| 19:08.18 | eeyore- | maxkueng: did the USB stack get loaded? (lsmod | grep usb), and check kernel's log messages (dmesg | less, scroll towards bottom) |
| 19:08.23 | Nosaj | czr, explain that a little better |
| 19:08.26 | abrotman | karsten: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/02/28/0836211&tid=136&tid=4 .. |
| 19:08.34 | czr | Nosaj, nah. do this: apt-get install sux |
| 19:08.35 | karsten | takatumi: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=2&q=http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html&e=10401 |
| 19:08.40 | czr | then do: sux root ethereal ;-) |
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| 19:09.18 | karsten | takatumi: or: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html |
| 19:09.20 | Nosaj | czr, ok |
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| 19:09.32 | maxkueng | eeyore-, lsmod shows usb-uhci and usbcore |
| 19:09.32 | czr | Nosaj, going to smoke, brb |
| 19:09.36 | karsten | Nosaj: What czr said. |
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| 19:10.03 | takatumi | karsten: opera works now. :) |
| 19:10.16 | czr | I'm fire-retardant-retardant |
| 19:10.18 | dli | why do I got winbind installed? which package might depend on it? |
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| 19:11.14 | gq_gunhed | hi all! |
| 19:11.19 | takatumi | karsten: pretty comprehensive writeup, kudos. |
| 19:11.28 | Nosaj | karsten, czr, thx now she works |
| 19:11.36 | czr | Nosaj, thank karsten |
| 19:11.39 | eeyore- | maxkueng: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices, look for your mouse device there. does it show up? and if it does, what's the driver it's bound to? |
| 19:11.44 | Nosaj | I did |
| 19:11.48 | czr | I know :-) |
| 19:11.52 | Nosaj | lol |
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| 19:12.05 | czr | anyhow, -> (__(_____((()~~~ |
| 19:12.06 | bsdboy | Does anyone know how many HDs I can stick on a 450W Entermax PSU.. all 7200RPM drives. |
| 19:12.13 | abrotman | bsdboy: how many do you have? |
| 19:12.20 | bsdboy | 7 right now |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | bsdboy: also .. #hardware might be a better place to ask |
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| 19:12.41 | Bonkers | how about you look at the specs |
| 19:12.44 | mjk64 | bsdboy: Read the HDs and the PSUs manuals/data sheets, then you'll know. |
| 19:12.45 | Bonkers | that seems most reliable |
| 19:12.50 | eeyore- | bsdboy: read the power requirement (amps) on the drive's label |
| 19:12.52 | karsten | takatumi: Thanks. I never really warmed to Opera. |
| 19:13.01 | eeyore- | bsdboy: some drives suck more power than others, so only you can tell |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | it depends on other components in the machines also |
| 19:13.13 | bsdboy | they're all maxtor. |
| 19:13.16 | bsdboy | and its a p4 1.6ghz |
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| 19:13.22 | takatumi | karsten: they all suck, still searching for the perfect one. |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | electronics would be so simple if it weren't for the resisitors |
| 19:13.40 | karsten | takatumi: Aye. |
| 19:13.42 | maxkueng | eeyore-, i am not sure. it shows something but it diesn't say "Labtec" anywhere |
| 19:13.59 | eeyore- | bsdboy: add up all the apms requirement on the drive, give or take a few amps for the motherboard (oh, out-of-my-butt figure of 5 amps) |
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| 19:14.04 | karsten | takatumi: Galeon's now officially dogmeat. I'm actually leaning toward Konqueror on the "it annoys me least" principle. |
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| 19:14.17 | abrotman | opera! |
| 19:14.33 | eeyore- | maxkueng: what it shows you is what the device says, not what the *printed label* says (Labtec) |
| 19:14.46 | eleftherios | is there a modem howto for debian etch? |
| 19:14.47 | madame | hi, I want to know if Debian developers develop the base system, or if they get programs from different groups and debug them to make Debian GNU/Linux |
| 19:14.57 | karsten | madame: Yes. |
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| 19:15.04 | maxkueng | eeyore-, so how do i find out what the device should say? |
| 19:15.06 | eeyore- | maxkueng: you know that a great deal of devices are simply rebadged, right? |
| 19:15.13 | karsten | madame: Read the copyright and README files for the particular package in question. |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | karsten: it's just as free as java :) |
| 19:15.20 | takatumi | eleftherios: where are you stuck? |
| 19:15.23 | madame | karsten: I mean the base system |
| 19:15.27 | bsdboy | T |
| 19:15.28 | bsdboy | hanks.. |
| 19:15.35 | madame | karsten: there must be a base system, :P |
| 19:15.35 | bsdboy | Thanks* |
| 19:15.39 | lnx_rlz | hello :) anyone have a good document of cups (detailed)? I need study this and create print server with debian+cups+pykota. tks |
| 19:15.42 | czr | java is not free |
| 19:15.44 | karsten | madame: The answer remains "yes". |
| 19:15.45 | eeyore- | maxkueng: use your intelligence to read /proc/bus/usb/devices and find out which one ought to be the mouse, and see if it's bound to a driver :-) |
| 19:15.46 | czr | free as in free beer |
| 19:15.57 | abrotman | czr: and so is opera |
| 19:15.58 | czr | but not even 'open source' according to OSI definition |
| 19:16.02 | madame | karsten: yes they develop the core? |
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| 19:16.06 | karsten | madame: There are some locally developed packages (eg: the packaging system, apt, dpkg), and a lot of stock stuff (kernel, perl, etc.). |
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| 19:16.22 | eleftherios | takatumi, well I have never configured a modem before so I just run kppp and try to do it all from in there. It can't find a modem but discover reports that I do have one |
| 19:16.27 | abrotman | madame: stuff is altered sometimes .. some stuff i sonly used in debian .. it's a mix |
| 19:16.33 | karsten | madame: It varies on a package-by-package basis. The files I mentioned above will report the actual developer |
| 19:16.33 | eleftherios | takatumi, this is on a laptop, HP nx8220 |
| 19:16.56 | madame | so, the majority of Debian is not from the project itself, right? |
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| 19:17.07 | valdyn | !distribution |
| 19:17.07 | dpkg | hmm... distribution is a collection of goodies built around a kernel like Linux |
| 19:17.08 | eleftherios | takatumi, Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Modem Controller |
| 19:17.17 | karsten | madame: I'd say prolly about 99%+ |
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| 19:17.25 | eeyore- | madame: debian is an aggregation of packages + some policies and nifty tools |
| 19:17.29 | abrotman | madame: which parts ? like the kernel? the compiler? apt? |
| 19:17.35 | maxkueng | eeyore-, it says diver=hub everywhere. i'm sorry, eeyore-. i really have to go AFK for some minutes. would you mind if i'd call you again later? |
| 19:17.41 | madame | abrotman: I mean the *base* system |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | madame: what do you mean by *base* |
| 19:17.50 | karsten | madame: Why do you ask? |
| 19:17.50 | madame | abrotman: without any extra package |
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| 19:18.01 | eeyore- | madame: just like a typical *car* is an aggregation of parts from hundreds of vendors |
| 19:18.07 | madame | abrotman: for example, when one installs openbsd, one has a base system |
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| 19:18.11 | abrotman | madame: like this http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/ ? |
| 19:18.14 | madame | abrotman: then you can add packages |
| 19:18.19 | numist | the car company makes the parts work together |
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| 19:18.35 | czr | abrotman, packages that are marked critical would be more better definition |
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| 19:18.47 | karsten | madame: Debian's core (essentially required) packages set is markedly smaller than most distro's "base" systems. |
| 19:18.48 | abrotman | madame: i think you'll find that most linux distros are based very heavily off GNU work |
| 19:18.49 | takatumi | eleftherios: is that a winmodem? |
| 19:18.49 | eeyore- | maxkueng: sure |
| 19:18.51 | linux-user | hi where can i get new debian distro |
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| 19:19.06 | Ronin | linux-user: www.debian.org |
| 19:19.09 | abrotman | or posix tools |
| 19:19.14 | abrotman | !d-i linux-user |
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| 19:19.16 | dpkg | linux-user, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:19.19 | madame | oh, ok |
| 19:19.21 | madame | well, thanks for the info |
| 19:19.31 | icesid | Hi! Please suggest me SIP phone |
| 19:19.32 | eeyore- | not something to be taken lightly http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/localnews/ci_3244979 |
| 19:19.40 | berzerka | is testing partly broken at the moment? i have several packages which depend on libstdc++6 4.0.2-4, but the version available is 4.0.2-2. is there anything i can do except waiting for a new version to become available? |
| 19:19.50 | eeyore- | or, "look ma! no hand!" :-)))) |
| 19:19.59 | czr | no hand? :-) |
| 19:20.08 | eeyore- | czr: read the article ;-) |
| 19:20.10 | linux-user | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ i want to install with discs do i need all those discs |
| 19:20.12 | czr | oh, ok |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | !d-i linux-user |
| 19:20.19 | dpkg | linux-user, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:20.29 | stew | berzerka: you can recompile packages yourself, or get them from sid |
| 19:20.37 | karsten | icesid: *NOT* Sipura. |
| 19:20.44 | czr | eeyore-, that's sick :-) |
| 19:20.46 | linux-user | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ i want to install with discs do i need all those discs |
| 19:20.48 | karsten | icesid: ... the Cisco kit appears to be pretty good. |
| 19:20.54 | Serge_K | berzerka: hm I saw that too. either wait or use a newer version from Sid |
| 19:20.55 | stew | karsten: why not sipura? |
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| 19:21.15 | berzerka | ok, thanks. i think i will wait a couple of days first. |
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| 19:21.17 | eeyore- | czr: some peolpe, eh? |
| 19:21.20 | karsten | stew: They suck. |
| 19:21.28 | karsten | stew: I've got one sitting on my desk. |
| 19:21.35 | stew | karsten: me too. never had a problem |
| 19:21.39 | czr | eeyore-, the way of the iron crotch. not too many kung fu movies with that style featured (yet) |
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| 19:21.49 | stew | karsten: well i don't have a phone, but an ata from them |
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| 19:22.18 | eeyore- | czr: and to warm up, you have your assistants kick you between the legs. ouch! |
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| 19:22.34 | linux-user | http://ftp.du.se/debian-cd/3.0_r4/i386/ is this the newest debian and do i need to ddownload alld this discs |
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| 19:22.48 | czr | eeyore-, sounds like my ex gfs ;-) |
| 19:22.51 | valdyn | linux-user: no,no |
| 19:22.53 | takatumi | linux-user: that's woody. |
| 19:23.05 | linux-user | so can anyone give more specific help |
| 19:23.06 | linux-user | OK |
| 19:23.09 | tzafrir_laptop | linux-user, this isWoody (old-stable). |
| 19:23.12 | czr | actually one of them did jiujitsu, had a brown belt and all. but she was confused in other ways too |
| 19:23.17 | gq_gunhed | I'm playing around with apt-proxy2 from stable - but I can't get it running stable. At frist my clients could connect to the apt-proxy, now I get a 503 Service Unavailable. Does anyone have a clue? |
| 19:23.19 | takatumi | !d-i linux-user |
| 19:23.20 | dpkg | linux-user, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:23.30 | numist | linux-user: go check out a net-install image, usually 120MB of happiness, if you want stable look for sarge, testing is etch |
| 19:23.53 | linux-user | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ do i need all those cds |
| 19:24.01 | SimonRaven | no |
| 19:24.04 | numist | linux-user: no |
| 19:24.15 | numist | linux-user: x86? |
| 19:24.15 | maxkueng | eeyore-, i'm back. thanks for waiting |
| 19:24.21 | takatumi | linux-user: even the ~40MB biz card iso would do. |
| 19:24.29 | tzafrir_laptop | linux-user, only the first one. Actually: the netinst iso will do just fine |
| 19:24.31 | icesid | heh.. sorry.. i meaned *soft* sip phones:) what you'll suggest to me? |
| 19:24.47 | linux-user | can u give me the right link please |
| 19:24.56 | linux-user | to the cds to burn them as image |
| 19:24.56 | numist | linux-user: look for 'Official netinst images for the "stable" release' at http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and download |
| 19:24.57 | drstrange | net-install is pretty easy, but first make SURE your ethernet card is supported, and do yourself a favor and dont try it on a wireless setup unless, again, you are sure you are supported |
| 19:24.58 | karsten | stew: Lousy sound quality. It's the phone, not the line. |
| 19:24.59 | Ronin | linux-user: they did several times |
| 19:25.01 | tzafrir_laptop | I'd preffer it to the business card for a much simpler install if your network is not the best of all |
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| 19:25.26 | sewi | how to change a group for a user defined with adduser? |
| 19:25.46 | numist | sewi: add them into /etc/groups. try vim |
| 19:25.55 | maxkueng | eeyore-, there is one thing that says "Product=USB Receiver". now that my mouse is cordless it might be cecognized as a receiver. what do you think? |
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| 19:26.15 | linux-user | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso i am downloadin this file will this be enough to burn and start the computer with disc |
| 19:26.48 | abrotman | linux-user: you ahve broadband ? |
| 19:26.55 | linux-user | yep |
| 19:27.02 | abrotman | should be fine as long as your NIC works |
| 19:27.08 | DevilChaos | hi the log file isnt much help im using rage radeon 128 pro ati graphics card if that any help to anyone what drivers will work with this other than ati as iv set this in xorg.conf and i just get a blank screen |
| 19:27.10 | linux-user | i am finished downloadin that file 900kb/s |
| 19:27.27 | abrotman | too slow .. need faster! |
| 19:27.33 | takatumi | hmm, aptitude suggests keeps now? [1(1)/...] Suggest 14 keeps |
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| 19:27.41 | linux-user | now i burn that iso and reboot right |
| 19:27.54 | takatumi | linux-user: no, read the install guide. |
| 19:28.08 | takatumi | or atleast quickly skim it. |
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| 19:28.33 | linux-user | ok i find the sites only swedish |
| 19:28.33 | Perfect_Chaos | hi |
| 19:28.37 | nvz | I think I am gonna just buy one of these Blackberry 7250's *shrug* highly portable and has internet.. get nextel :P |
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| 19:28.55 | Perfect_Chaos | hi |
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| 19:28.59 | linux-user | where is the install guid for debian |
| 19:29.00 | DevilChaos | the thing is i can get x to work ing stable version of sarge so why cant i do that in testing and get the upto date packages |
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| 19:29.07 | abrotman | linux-user: a what ? |
| 19:29.12 | nvz | actually thats 7520 I am looking at |
| 19:29.17 | takatumi | !ig |
| 19:29.18 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 19:29.23 | sandman | If I want to learn how to make debian packages, set dependencies and stuff, where do I read about it? |
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| 19:29.34 | sinned | why does the 'e' in Home_Décor_Accents show up as a '?' on debian but it worked fine in the redhat box i copied the file from? |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | takatumi: i thought he meant a GUI :) |
| 19:29.39 | Perfect_Chaos | what is debian? |
| 19:29.45 | linux-user | i donno my arch of my box |
| 19:29.46 | abrotman | !tell Perfect_Chaos about debian |
| 19:29.47 | takatumi | sandman: /msg dpkg mg |
| 19:29.59 | dimir | Evening! |
| 19:29.59 | abrotman | linux-user: is it intel or amd ? |
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| 19:30.04 | DevilChaos | a very sore head |
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| 19:30.12 | linux-user | amd athlon |
| 19:30.13 | eeyore- | maxke: plausible |
| 19:30.18 | DevilChaos | if you cant get x to work |
| 19:30.19 | abrotman | linux-user: that ISO will be fine |
| 19:30.21 | eeyore- | maxkueng: is it bound to any driver? |
| 19:30.34 | sewi | numist: I mean that when I create a file by default this file has user sewi and group sewi, but I want to asign to the user sewi, the users group. In /etc/group I have sewi:x:1000:, and users:x:100:, so what to change? |
| 19:30.41 | Perfect_Chaos | oh it's a operating systemlike windows |
| 19:30.41 | nvz | the thing that pisses me off is they dont seem to offer a blueberry plan with talk time or free squak.. you have to buy a damn internet plan and a phone plan if you want both :-/ |
| 19:30.44 | linux-user | ok all i donno is burn the iso and reboot |
| 19:30.47 | Perfect_Chaos | *system like |
| 19:30.50 | takatumi | DevilChaos: what were the errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 19:31.06 | abrotman | Perfect_Chaos: have you been drinking susquehanna water? :) |
| 19:31.15 | stew | sewi: if you run "newgrp users" then create the file, the file will be sewi:users |
| 19:31.28 | DevilChaos | takatumi:i had xfree86 installed and it couldnt load core modules |
| 19:31.32 | stew | sewi: or you run "chgrp users file" after you create the file |
| 19:31.34 | maxkueng | eeyore-, it says driver-hup |
| 19:31.39 | eeyore- | sewi: change /etc/passwd entry for "sewi" user to have the gid of that of "users", then |
| 19:31.42 | maxkueng | eeyore-, *hub |
| 19:31.43 | DevilChaos | ive changed back to xorg server now |
| 19:31.49 | linux-user | ok all i donno is burn the iso and reboot is it similoar to all linux distro |
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| 19:32.14 | eleftherios | is there a straight-forward way to find out where my modem can be found? Eg. /dev/ttyS0 or somewhere else? |
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| 19:32.17 | eeyore- | maxkueng: cat /dev/input/mice, wiggle the wireless mouse, see anything on the terminal? |
| 19:32.18 | lococ | hi |
| 19:32.26 | sinned | why does the 'é' in Home_Décor_Accents show up as a '?' on debian but it worked fine in the redhat box i copied the file from? |
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| 19:32.32 | abrotman | eleftherios: minicom might be of some help |
| 19:32.38 | abrotman | sinned: your locales |
| 19:32.44 | takatumi | eleftherios: so it ain't a winmodem? |
| 19:32.44 | abrotman | sinned: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:32.55 | bcc | hi guys, in which package is start-stop-daemon located? |
| 19:32.58 | eleftherios | takatumi, I don't know yet |
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| 19:33.06 | stew | bcc: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:33.07 | eleftherios | takatumi, I don't know how to find that out |
| 19:33.12 | eeyore- | sinned: echo $LANG |
| 19:33.12 | takatumi | eleftherios: google? |
| 19:33.18 | nvz | the bottom line is, if I pay like almost $200 for a Blackberry 7520 and like $50/mo for internet.. is it going to get me into IRC :P |
| 19:33.27 | eleftherios | takatumi, I have been googling for 30 minutes on it |
| 19:33.31 | takatumi | nvz: sounds steep. |
| 19:33.39 | eleftherios | takatumi, not much info on these crap nx8220 |
| 19:33.47 | abrotman | nvz: no |
| 19:33.47 | nvz | takatumi: got a better suggestion? |
| 19:33.55 | bibe | What was that bot message to get a quick description on how to compile ipw2200 module from source? |
| 19:33.55 | abrotman | nvz: i doubt it anyways |
| 19:33.57 | maxkueng | eeyore-, yes! weird things happen |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | !tell bibe about ipw2200 |
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| 19:34.13 | eeyore- | maxkueng: so you get characters when you wiggle the wireless mouse? |
| 19:34.14 | nvz | abrotman: why not :P if i've got unlimited web and email there has got to be a way |
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| 19:34.28 | DevilChaos | takatumi:any suggestions |
| 19:34.29 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 19:34.30 | maxkueng | eeyore-, yes. ut weird ones |
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| 19:34.34 | abrotman | nvz: ok .. buy it and find out :) |
| 19:34.38 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:34.53 | DevilChaos | im going to try a different graphics card as well |
| 19:35.00 | DevilChaos | voodoo3 |
| 19:35.01 | eeyore- | maxkueng: that's fine. use dselect to verify you actually have "hotplug" package installed |
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| 19:35.39 | nvz | I havent decided yet.. just seems like the easiest thing to do right now.. I do want a sprint/nextel phone to keep in touch, and I also want a portable pc of some kind. not looking to spend a whole lot of cash on it. |
| 19:36.08 | maxkueng | eeyore-, [I]nstall? |
| 19:36.09 | DevilChaos | nvz ive got a deb laptop |
| 19:36.42 | nvz | laptops are too big, and break too easy.. not to mention I still need wireless internet phone anyhow |
| 19:36.44 | DevilChaos | sorry im butting in im bad for that |
| 19:36.54 | abrotman | nvz: you could try bluetooth + phone + zaurus ? |
| 19:36.57 | nvz | thats _way_ too much money |
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| 19:37.35 | abrotman | who was the guy that used to be in here all the time on some crap setup like that .. mithror ? |
| 19:37.38 | maxkueng | eeyore-, [I]nstall just asks me if i want to erase some deb files |
| 19:37.42 | DevilChaos | does that voodoo3 work with xorg server anyone? |
| 19:37.50 | DevilChaos | in sarge testing? |
| 19:37.59 | nvz | abrotman: the zaurus is like $160 for the SL-5500 on ebay.. and I can get a Blackberry 7520 or earlier model for anywhere from like $80-$180 and its ready to go |
| 19:37.59 | maxkueng | eeyore-, confusing... |
| 19:38.07 | eleftherios | abrotman, in what way do you think minicom can help? |
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| 19:38.18 | maxkueng | eeyore-, shouddn't I apt-get install hotplug? |
| 19:38.20 | abrotman | eleftherios: if you can't open the device .. modem probably isn't there :) |
| 19:38.22 | sinned | eeyore- echo $LANG returns nothing on debian on redhat it returns en_US.UTF-8, I dpkg-reconfigured locales and added en_US.8559-1 and en_US.UTF-8 but it still shows up as a ? |
| 19:38.31 | abrotman | nvz: assuming it has an irc client |
| 19:38.34 | eleftherios | abrotman, no it initializes fine as far as I can see |
| 19:38.44 | nvz | abrotman: it sucks the unlimited web and email plan for nextel is $49.99/mo and doesnt include minutes, free incomming calls, or walkie talkie |
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| 19:38.56 | eleftherios | but I still need to know where under /dev/ my modem is |
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| 19:38.59 | nvz | abrotman: I figure if the fucker is online you dont need an irc client |
| 19:39.14 | nvz | abrotman: I can setup a gateway or a java applet or something |
| 19:39.19 | takatumi | eleftherios: try http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/scanModem.gz |
| 19:39.27 | eleftherios | takatumi, thank you |
| 19:39.30 | abrotman | nvz: you hope .. i'd do some research first |
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| 19:39.41 | abrotman | eleftherios: most are ttyS0 or 1 or 2 |
| 19:39.47 | nvz | abrotman: the one I looked at said it had yahoo! messenger.. if it can do that, it can do IRc.. I can pipe it through bitlbee |
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| 19:40.11 | eleftherios | abrotman, I tried all three on kppp and I get the "modem is busy" message |
| 19:40.17 | DevilChaos | does voodoo3 work with xorg server anyone? |
| 19:40.18 | abrotman | maybe it is :) |
| 19:40.20 | DevilChaos | in sarge testing? |
| 19:40.25 | abrotman | DevilChaos: i'd think it does |
| 19:40.31 | abrotman | tdfx driver ? |
| 19:40.47 | abrotman | nvz: erm .. ok .. if you say so |
| 19:40.50 | DevilChaos | tdfx yeah |
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| 19:40.57 | abrotman | nvz: also .. beware the RIM lawsuit |
| 19:41.09 | DevilChaos | is that supported in xorg? |
| 19:41.13 | DevilChaos | tdfx |
| 19:41.26 | maxkueng | eeyore-, i plugged in a usb keyboard and the file /proc/bus/usb/devices became bigger |
| 19:41.26 | nvz | abrotman: I dont even know wtf half that shit about RIM or 'unlocked' means.. I am not up to speed |
| 19:41.39 | maxkueng | eeyore-, the keyboard works, btw |
| 19:41.46 | eeyore- | sinned: log out of your shell, log back in. make sure you set LANG to compatible setting, manually if you must |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | nvz: no .. RIM is being sued . and the service may get shut off |
| 19:41.53 | nvz | abrotman: if its an issue I will just have to buy one without the card |
| 19:41.58 | maxkueng | eeyore-, does that mean i have hotplug? |
| 19:42.02 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know wtf a RIM is |
| 19:42.06 | eeyore- | maxkueng: i prefer dselect. more information. but, use whatever you like to install it |
| 19:42.15 | eeyore- | maxkueng: do some work on your end, too, please |
| 19:42.18 | abrotman | nvz: Research In Motion .. they own the blackberry network |
| 19:42.21 | nvz | abrotman: afaik RIMs are those things that I put my tires in |
| 19:42.28 | abrotman | nvz: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=RIM%20lawsuit&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wn |
| 19:42.44 | sewi | stew, eeyore- : thanks. |
| 19:43.03 | highadder | : |
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| 19:43.14 | highadder | cool I have a mouse |
| 19:43.37 | nvz | abrotman: bah. everytime I almost find something, this happens :P |
| 19:43.49 | Supaplex | you have a mouse, but do you have a cat to go with it? |
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| 19:43.59 | highadder | lol |
| 19:44.05 | DevilChaos | or what is the best graphics card to get at the moment that works really well in debian? |
| 19:44.14 | nvz | abrotman: I just want to have something to supply me with content at work, and have people get in touch with me wherever I may roam :P |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | nvz: sorry .. i'm american . it's my job to shit on your life |
| 19:44.21 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: /dev/ttyS0 ! |
| 19:44.23 | nvz | abrotman: for like $200 would be nice |
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| 19:44.42 | highadder | lol damn it man |
| 19:45.04 | DevilChaos | Supaplex: eh? |
| 19:45.11 | Supaplex | serial console hehe |
| 19:45.20 | DevilChaos | yeah lol |
| 19:45.40 | highadder | what is so funny? |
| 19:45.41 | DevilChaos | or what is the best graphics card to get at the moment that works really well in debian? |
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| 19:46.05 | DevilChaos | i asked the qestion and he told me to use the serial connection ttys0 |
| 19:46.18 | digijohn | "Testing" is still called "Sarge", right? |
| 19:46.25 | MetroidFP | Yeah. |
| 19:46.29 | DevilChaos | in some respect |
| 19:46.29 | stew | digijohn: no sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 19:46.33 | digijohn | Ah |
| 19:46.33 | highadder | that is what I used for the mouse :) |
| 19:46.43 | MetroidFP | oh, yeah, I got confused... |
| 19:46.46 | DevilChaos | can still get sarge in testing though |
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| 19:46.57 | digijohn | So, I just checked with dpkg about upgrading to xorg... any major problems I should know about? |
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| 19:47.15 | DevilChaos | it sucks |
| 19:47.20 | digijohn | I assume I can just use the same nvidia driver? |
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| 19:47.27 | DevilChaos | if u have a rage 128 radeon pro |
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| 19:47.44 | digijohn | DevilChaos: nope |
| 19:47.51 | DevilChaos | what u got? |
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| 19:48.35 | digijohn | DevilChaos: Nvidia GeForce 3 Ti 200 |
| 19:48.39 | digijohn | 128MB RAM |
| 19:48.47 | DevilChaos | cool |
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| 19:48.55 | digijohn | Yeah, it's a couple years old, but still works great |
| 19:49.18 | Eulex | !u |
| 19:49.18 | DevilChaos | i have a radeon 128 pro ati and x doesnt want to know |
| 19:49.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:49.26 | nvz | abrotman: well with sprint phones I find a more vast collection of PalmOS and Windows Pocket edition based devices :P one thing is if it runs windows there is probably a good chance it'll run linux or at least popular apps like an irc client |
| 19:49.48 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. but will the phone work ?:) |
| 19:49.54 | stew | digijohn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:50.03 | digijohn | stew: etch, I guess |
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| 19:50.13 | nvz | abrotman: heh, it will if i dont fuck with it. |
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| 19:50.21 | nvz | abrotman: it might not if I try put linux on it |
| 19:50.22 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:50.33 | MachitoPonce | hi |
| 19:50.37 | DevilChaos | i have a really good question to put to you guys if i install the stable version of sarge i get the old package list can i just do apt-setup then add in testing to get the uptodate package list? |
| 19:50.39 | MachitoPonce | debian spanish? |
| 19:50.49 | digijohn | si |
| 19:51.01 | MachitoPonce | hola digijohn |
| 19:51.04 | DevilChaos | cos i can get my g/card to work through xfree86 |
| 19:51.06 | stew | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 19:51.16 | stew | DevilChaos: why not? |
| 19:51.20 | gq_gunhed | Does anyone here use apt-proxy? |
| 19:51.21 | nvz | abrotman: I am gonna look at the sprint plans, and debate Microsoft vs. Palm |
| 19:51.23 | maxkueng | eeyore-, okay, apt-get says that i already have tha latest version of hotplug. Whan i unplug the mouse the devices file gets smaller. when i plug it in again it gets bugger. so it _is_ recognized by either hotplug or anything else. the keyboard has driver=hid and it's recognized as "PFU-65 USB Keyboard". All the rest has driver=hub. The only other thing that doesn't say "Hub" in dthe Product line is the "USB Receiver" which, IMO, mu |
| 19:51.23 | maxkueng | st be the mouse then |
| 19:51.28 | DevilChaos | stew:? |
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| 19:51.38 | stew | DevilChaos: why can't you get it working? what is the problem |
| 19:51.42 | digijohn | MachitoPonce: hola. no hablas espanol :-) I just pretend. Mi espanol es no bueno |
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| 19:51.51 | MachitoPonce | ja |
| 19:51.52 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: I do |
| 19:51.58 | [miles] | good evening #debian... |
| 19:52.01 | stew | !es |
| 19:52.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:52.05 | MachitoPonce | ok |
| 19:52.07 | DevilChaos | well i get it installed then when i reboot it breaks for some reason |
| 19:52.25 | DevilChaos | hi miles |
| 19:52.27 | digijohn | http://www.us.debian.org/international/Spanish.es.html <-- You might be interested in this, MachitoPonce. |
| 19:52.30 | N0S3 | hello |
| 19:52.35 | stew | DevilChaos: did you install non-free drivers? |
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| 19:52.35 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: I've got it installed, modified the .conf - at first it worked. But now I get a "503 Service Unavailable" from the clients |
| 19:52.36 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 19:52.44 | DevilChaos | not sure |
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| 19:52.49 | stew | drstrange: which driver are you using? |
| 19:52.51 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: I can't figure out what the problem is.. |
| 19:52.54 | Eulex | !es |
| 19:52.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:52.56 | harleyg | http://harleyg.linuxlabs.co.uk/cheese-hamwitch!/ |
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| 19:53.00 | harleyg | PWN! |
| 19:53.00 | stew | DevilChaos: which driver are you using? |
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| 19:53.08 | DevilChaos | ati |
| 19:53.25 | MachitoPonce | tz digijhon , only want know name of chanel latin |
| 19:53.26 | DevilChaos | and ive tried r128 |
| 19:53.27 | MachitoPonce | bye |
| 19:53.38 | nvz | abrotman: oh well sprints plans suck $40 for 40mb or $80 for unlimited seems to be the only options. I am definatly not paying that kind of money. :P |
| 19:53.38 | stew | DevilChaos: what happens after you reboot? |
| 19:53.50 | DevilChaos | the screen flashes |
| 19:53.59 | DevilChaos | then goes into console |
| 19:54.01 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: well check if the apt-proxy daemon is running. I had sorta the problem before , after the apt-proxy upgrade |
| 19:54.01 | linux-user | hi all i burned that cd net install i install it now when i run that it asked me to install packages from ftp http or cdrom i click ftp i can not get internet to work, now i am on windows, how can i burn those debian packages which requrires a fully comple debian |
| 19:54.10 | N0S3 | how I configure, the automatic checkup, to the beginning, of the disk (fsck), ( i need check disk at count 250) |
| 19:54.18 | stew | DevilChaos: look for lines starting with EE: in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 19:54.23 | nvz | it would have to be faster than my cable internet to pay like twice as much for it :P |
| 19:54.31 | thingfish | oh please go with the sprint phones. my sisters both work for sprint, and they need your money to support their outlandishly high salaries. |
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| 19:54.48 | takatumi | linux-user: why is the network not working? what kind of network? |
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| 19:54.54 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: ps ax shows a python2.3/twistd process, apt-proxy is 1.9.29 from stable |
| 19:55.11 | linux-user | pppoe connection i need to fire up i usally fire up when i am on x |
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| 19:55.42 | linux-user | if i quit now from windows i loose my internet connections so i need allways to fire up |
| 19:55.46 | drstrange | i have a built in via chipset ethernet port that is in the hardware database |
| 19:56.03 | drstrange | stew: i have a built in via chipset ethernet port that is in the hardware database |
| 19:56.11 | DevilChaos | stew:EE ? |
| 19:56.11 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: Do you have another idea to check if the daemon is running - or works at all? |
| 19:56.14 | stew | DevilChaos: yes |
| 19:56.16 | linux-user | where can i get those packages and burn them to cd |
| 19:56.19 | nvz | no way in hell I pay $80/mo for crippled slow internet |
| 19:56.22 | takatumi | linux-user: get CD1 then. |
| 19:56.26 | digijohn | I just ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and it says it is going to remove abiword... why? |
| 19:56.26 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: well try to restart it and check again. I dont remember what it was exactly, but there was a config change in apt-proxy. Also try to telnet the proxy port and see if it works |
| 19:56.33 | nvz | $49.99 is pushing it :P |
| 19:56.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:56.55 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: mom |
| 19:56.56 | drstrange | i used net-install and it worked great, but ubuntu, for instance, cant handle a via chipset (for mysterious reasons, nudge nudge, wink wink) |
| 19:57.01 | linux-user | well cd1 be enough to have all packaged |
| 19:57.07 | linux-user | packages |
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| 19:57.26 | eleftherios | takatumi, modem works now, thank you |
| 19:57.31 | takatumi | linux-user: the popular ones yes. |
| 19:57.41 | DevilChaos | stew:im going for re-install neway ill get it back up and running stable with old source list can i update from there though to get uptodate packages list? |
| 19:57.49 | takatumi | eleftherios: which driver? |
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| 19:58.03 | stew | DevilChaos: why would you reinstall? |
| 19:58.07 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: ok, I can telnet to apt-proxy:9999 When I enter "test" I get dropped with "HTTP/1.1 400 Bad request" - seems to be ok? |
| 19:58.07 | eleftherios | I followed the instructions from scanModem |
| 19:58.09 | nvz | I wonder could I get one of these sprint phones like the PalmOne or AudioVox PPC 6600 I see on ebay and then switch it to nextel. nextel has cheaper internet access :P |
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| 19:58.16 | DevilChaos | its quick and easy |
| 19:58.18 | takatumi | eleftherios: ok, cool. |
| 19:58.24 | DevilChaos | i have a t3 connection |
| 19:58.39 | eleftherios | takatumi, I used sl-modem-daemon |
| 19:58.47 | linux-user | http://ftp.du.se/debian-cd/3.0_r4/i386/ will this first cd be enough takatumi |
| 19:58.47 | N0S3 | does somebody know how to use fsck? please nesecito helps |
| 19:58.47 | stew | DevilChaos: if you reinstall you will already have up to date package lists |
| 19:58.56 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: obviously so. Are clients are configured properly? |
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| 19:59.10 | maxkueng | eeyore-, i plugged in another mouse that is not cordless. it's recognized as Product=Basic Optical Mouse and the Product=USB Receiver is gone. This makes me quite sure that the USB Receiver is my cordless mouse. The Basic Optical Mouse is attached to a hub-driver, which doesn't make sense for me and it might also be the reason that it doesn't work, too. |
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| 19:59.15 | [miles] | could anyone tell me a doc which describes the tree structure to debian updates please? |
| 19:59.20 | DevilChaos | no i dont i cant get bittorrent |
| 19:59.33 | DevilChaos | where with the testing i can |
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| 19:59.37 | abrotman | !repository |
| 19:59.37 | dpkg | it has been said that debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 19:59.45 | abrotman | [miles]: that may explain some of it |
| 19:59.47 | N0S3 | stew: |
| 19:59.48 | [miles] | many thanks dpkg |
| 19:59.50 | stew | DevilChaos: you shouldn't have a problem getting bittorrent on stable |
| 19:59.53 | abrotman | wait .. i did it! |
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| 19:59.55 | linux-user | http://ftp.du.se/debian-cd/3.0_r4/i386/ will this first cd be enough takatumi |
| 19:59.56 | abrotman | i triggered dpkg! |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | i never get any thanks! |
| 20:00.00 | [miles] | yeah, I want to mirror some stuff |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | my productivity will spiral down down down! |
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| 20:00.20 | stew | !info bittorrent stable |
| 20:00.26 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-3sarge0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 462 kB |
| 20:00.31 | abrotman | stew: did you come down here for turkey ? |
| 20:00.37 | [miles] | ok, I go read it... thanksç |
| 20:00.37 | stew | yeah |
| 20:00.51 | maxkueng | eeyore-, are you still there? |
| 20:00.52 | abrotman | stew: and you didn't call .. sniff :( |
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| 20:00.57 | DevilChaos | stew:yeah but i get the gui |
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| 20:01.08 | linux-user | http://ftp.du.se/debian-cd/3.0_r4/i386/ will this first cd be enough takatumi |
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| 20:01.10 | DevilChaos | and not in that thio=ough |
| 20:01.10 | stew | DevilChaos: btdownloadcurses |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:01.26 | abrotman | linux-user: i already showed oyu the palce to get your ISO |
| 20:01.38 | DevilChaos | stew:curses whats that |
| 20:01.38 | linux-user | it was netinstall |
| 20:01.42 | Ryushin | I guess there is something I don't understand about how cron works. If I make a change in a crontab, shouldn't cron pick it up right away? For example, I'm testing a problem with a cron program, and I've setting crontab to start the program 1 minute in the future. It doesn't pick it up though. Any ideas? |
| 20:01.53 | stew | DevilChaos: a non gui version. (and this is exactly the same in testing btw) |
| 20:01.58 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: ok, got it working - the trick was: I replaced the DNS-names with the IP-address and it runs with no problems. But DNS is no problem here (e.g. ping or whatever...) |
| 20:02.00 | linux-user | i dont want netintall thing |
| 20:02.01 | stew | !curses |
| 20:02.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, curses is a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators.you want ncurses! |
| 20:02.20 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: -> don't use apt-proxy with DNS-name resoultion, just with IP |
| 20:02.24 | abrotman | linux-user: then use a SARGE cd1 .. nto woody |
| 20:02.25 | takatumi | linux-user: you should really start at debian.org and work your way from there. |
| 20:02.33 | bowman | Ryushin: according to the manpage, cron checks once per minute if there are changes - wait 2 minutes maybe? :) |
| 20:02.56 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: hmmm.. shit happens. I have names, though,.. not IPs |
| 20:03.02 | Ryushin | bowman: I'll try that and more I guess. |
| 20:03.07 | DevilChaos | stew: ah ok im reinstalling neway ill come back in when im finished in deb see if i can get ne farther then thanx for help |
| 20:03.13 | DevilChaos | bbl |
| 20:03.18 | DevilChaos | bye |
| 20:03.24 | linux-user | can u give me the right link to the first cd |
| 20:03.25 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: ??? I tried it before - with DNS - it worked - tried again... very strange |
| 20:03.39 | Ronin | linux-user: www.debian.org its really obvious |
| 20:03.44 | N0S3 | my debian run at startup a fsck? how modify the count of this? |
| 20:03.45 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: yep |
| 20:03.55 | dondelelcaro | N0S3: use tune2fs |
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| 20:04.12 | nvz | bah I cant find any nextel phones other than the blackberry that are pda w/ web and keyboard.. and there are an assload of sprint ones and the sprint plan cost almost twice as much *sigh* |
| 20:04.18 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: but thanks anyway ;-) sometimes trying together is better than alone ;-) |
| 20:04.20 | nvz | I need to go do something other than shop online |
| 20:04.24 | nvz | its aggravating |
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| 20:04.40 | dondelelcaro | nvz: nextel doesn't support the treo 650? |
| 20:04.46 | N0S3 | dondelelcaro: ahh |
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| 20:04.59 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: maybe.. there's some option in apt-proxy config, telling to resolve client names.. and something wrong with the proxy host |
| 20:05.09 | mrstocks | hi, what is teh version of debian above "stable" |
| 20:05.20 | Ronin | mrstocks: testing/etch |
| 20:05.23 | stew | mrstocks: http://debian.org/releases |
| 20:05.27 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I dont know I just called the sales, and asked them about it.. the lady didnt sound like she knew wtf she was talking about. |
| 20:05.38 | harleyg | dudes you pwnd my network |
| 20:05.39 | mrstocks | i don't have a brower thats why i asked |
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| 20:05.47 | harleyg | used all of my 380kbs |
| 20:05.50 | harleyg | evil! |
| 20:05.53 | Serge_K | gq_gunhed: I have no idea I installed it about 2 or 3 years ago and since then,.. I had only one issue after upgrade as I said |
| 20:05.55 | dondelelcaro | nvz: typical... |
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| 20:06.27 | mrstocks | Ronin testing/etch what does the etch stand for? |
| 20:06.39 | Ronin | ever see toy story mrstocks? |
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| 20:06.45 | nvz | dondelelcaro: nextel wants $49.99 for the unlimited web/email blackberry plan, which isnt too bad compared to the $40/mo for 40mb or $80 ulimited sprint wants.. I would just buy one of these blackberry but abrotman spoiled that telling me the network is under legal battle. |
| 20:06.46 | takatumi | mrstocks: stable, testing, unstable or sarge, etch, sid. (all characters from toy story) |
| 20:06.49 | gq_gunhed | Serge_K: ok, I had some minor problems when I installed it (back then *g*) but forgot about it - now I'm refreshing my home network |
| 20:06.54 | mrstocks | Ronin oh |
| 20:07.02 | mrstocks | does sarge work? |
| 20:07.19 | takatumi | mrstocks: is that a trick question? |
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| 20:07.27 | nvz | dondelelcaro: they specifically call it the blackberry plan, and on ebay thats like the only phone I find that syas its for nextel.. I have no clue cause I know nothing about cellular technology :P |
| 20:07.29 | mrstocks | heh nope |
| 20:07.30 | stew | mrstocks: its the current stable verseion, of course it works. |
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| 20:07.36 | mrstocks | Oh! |
| 20:07.37 | Ronin | mrstocks: sure it does |
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| 20:08.28 | iostream | Hi guys... Does debian have a prebuild kernel with high mem support? |
| 20:08.29 | joakimekberg | In which initscript does all the mounting going on. like mounting all auto filesystems in fstab. |
| 20:08.46 | mrstocks | its just that i don't have the testing in my apt and wgen i add it, its a 404.. guess my mirror is sucky |
| 20:08.56 | nvz | bah I am calling the Forse.. he has an iPaq or something, I dont know who his provider is.. but maybe he can shed some light on this mystery for me |
| 20:09.15 | takatumi | mrstocks: choose another mirror. |
| 20:09.39 | stew | mrstocks: apt-setup |
| 20:09.42 | nvz | I wanted to ask him about something else technology related anyhow |
| 20:09.53 | mrstocks | yep! i was getting some nice 980kB from that one :-( all good things have an end |
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| 20:10.24 | takatumi | mrstocks: apt-spy or netselect-apt |
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| 20:11.09 | mrstocks | cool takatumi ill try that |
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| 20:12.23 | Bonkers- | what's the correct way to make gcc-3.4 the default in testing? |
| 20:12.50 | nvz | Bonkers-: I am sure you don't want to do that. |
| 20:13.06 | valdyn | Bonkers-: dpkg-divert the symlinks in /usr/bin/ and make your own |
| 20:13.07 | nvz | Bonkers-: since the system is switching to a newer gcc anything you compile that way isnt likely to work |
| 20:13.12 | valdyn | Bonkers-: ( .. is one way ) |
| 20:13.34 | mrstocks | uhm im lost, isn't potatoe the stable V of debian?? |
| 20:13.43 | Ronin | mrstocks: very old stable |
| 20:13.48 | Bonkers- | hmm, I guess I'll have to do it on a per package/compile basis |
| 20:13.49 | valdyn | nvz: 3.4 can be used by devs, it should be ok |
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| 20:15.05 | nvz | valdyn: you cant use plugins or dynamic code compiled with 3.4 with apps compiled with 4.0 afaik |
| 20:15.20 | nvz | valdyn: we had this problem before going from 2.95 to 3.x |
| 20:15.27 | Bonkers- | anyone know how to make the 2.4 kernel compile use gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-4? |
| 20:15.44 | nvz | had to start recompiling java plugins, kernel modules..etc |
| 20:16.01 | valdyn | nvz: 3.3 is ABI incompatible to 3.4, which is abi compatible to 4.0 ( or should be ) |
| 20:16.30 | mjk64 | Is the debian-installer partition manager available as separate package for the installed system? |
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| 20:16.32 | mrstocks | Uhmm.. does this irc server change our nethost? gaoland.net i have no idea what that is |
| 20:16.41 | stew | mrstocks: potato was stable until sometime in 2002 when woody became stable, in june sarge became stable |
| 20:16.54 | Bonkers- | ok, easier question hopefully, is there a way to get the sources debian uses for the binary krenels and the config? I need to apply a very small patch |
| 20:17.01 | valdyn | Bonkers-: using make-kpkg ? |
| 20:17.07 | mrstocks | I see i though all woody would of been merged into potato |
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| 20:17.14 | Eulex | Bonkers, apt-get it. |
| 20:17.23 | stew | mrstocks: no |
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| 20:17.30 | mrstocks | makes sense.. |
| 20:17.35 | stew | mrstocks: nothing of woody would have been merged into potato |
| 20:17.39 | nvz | man it was only 40degF yesturday and its 63degF today and it feels colder |
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| 20:18.22 | joakimekberg | in which runlevel does debian mounts all the fstab filesystems? |
| 20:18.41 | nvz | joakimekberg: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 20:18.42 | dondelelcaro | joakimekberg: 2-5 |
| 20:18.46 | valdyn | Bonkers-: dont do that |
| 20:18.52 | nvz | joakimekberg: all runlevels 2-5 are the same in debian unless you change em |
| 20:18.53 | valdyn | Bonkers-: its a waste of time |
| 20:19.02 | Bonkers- | valdyn, don't do what? |
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| 20:19.14 | joakimekberg | ah thx. i will try to start my raidarray before the mount then ._. |
| 20:19.17 | valdyn | Bonkers-: rebuild a debian kernel package |
| 20:19.20 | Orgazmo|grant | I ' ve got a problem with a module insertion , when I do a "modprobe lcd" it says that my lcd.ko file isn t a good moudul format , plz help me |
| 20:19.21 | mrstocks | will apt-spy give me some type of feedback because i cant see the past results (tiny screen) |
| 20:19.29 | Bonkers- | valdyn, and instead what should I do? |
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| 20:20.19 | valdyn | Bonkers-: instead: apt-get install kernel-source-whatever, extract that archive, copy your desired config into that directory as '.config', apply your patch, run make oldconfig |
| 20:20.24 | stew | mrstocks: if you are already getting a megabit from somewhere, don't bother with apt-spy |
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| 20:20.37 | mrstocks | stew i should get 40 |
| 20:20.44 | mrstocks | theoriticly |
| 20:20.45 | Orgazmo|grant | I ' ve got a problem with a module insertion , when I do a "modprobe lcd" it says that my lcd.ko file isn t a good moudul format , plz help me |
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| 20:21.01 | valdyn | Bonkers-: rebuilding a debian kernel from its source would build a gazillion kernels that you all dont need. |
| 20:21.32 | Bonkers- | I guess I really don't need to start with a debian kernel |
| 20:21.33 | azeem | valdyn: you could override the flavours variable in debian/rules to just say "686" |
| 20:21.38 | bowman | "6 brazilian soldiers were killed" - "oh lord, how many is a brazillion?" :-) |
| 20:21.44 | karsten | valdyn: s/kernels/modules/ no? |
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| 20:21.50 | Ronin | old joke bowman :) |
| 20:21.55 | Bonkers- | is there nothing later than 2.4.27 in debian testing? |
| 20:22.07 | valdyn | azeem: good point |
| 20:22.14 | karsten | Bonkers-: Debian endeavors to release all its packages on time. |
| 20:22.17 | Eulex | Bonkers, yes there are |
| 20:22.23 | Bonkers- | well in the 2.4 series |
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| 20:22.33 | Eulex | Bonkers, no there aren't. |
| 20:22.47 | levander | I just had to remove the motherbard and replug everything back in. Now the USB mouse/keyboard works in BIOS menu, but not once Linux is loaded. Anybody got a suggestion for where to look to start fixing this? |
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| 20:23.12 | nvz | levander: linux probably doesnt like your legacy emulation of the USB |
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| 20:23.32 | nvz | levander: the BIOS expects the OS to turn this off, and linux is unaware its happening |
| 20:23.37 | levander | nvz: usb keyboard/mouse combo was working before i took out motherboard |
| 20:23.41 | Bonkers- | karsten I don't even understand your response even in a stupid context |
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| 20:24.09 | karsten | Bonkers-: Our packages _aren't_ later, they're on time. |
| 20:24.15 | valdyn | levander: activate your legacy mouse/keyboard support in bios? |
| 20:24.18 | levander | nvz: so just look in the BIOS for a place to turn off legacy emulation of USB |
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| 20:24.20 | nvz | levander: no idea. I just know that USB emulation can aggitate the kernel |
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| 20:24.51 | levander | nvz: so, turn it off correct, not turn it on. |
| 20:24.55 | levander | ? |
| 20:25.15 | xsdg | bah; how do I tell apt-get to pull something from experimental again? (experimental's in my sources; I'm just not remembering how to talk to apt-get) |
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| 20:25.26 | karsten | Bonkers-: I didn't say it was a _good_ joke. |
| 20:25.31 | valdyn | xsdg: apt-get -t experimental |
| 20:25.37 | xsdg | grazie |
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| 20:26.36 | takatumi | Bonkers-: roll your own, use kernel-package. |
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| 20:27.55 | karsten | Bonkers-: You can get 2.4.32 sources from kernel.org. |
| 20:28.39 | tzafrir_laptop | any idea what I need compiled in my kernel to make it boot from a usb-storage device? |
| 20:28.50 | tzafrir_laptop | usb-storage is already in |
| 20:28.54 | Bonkers- | ya, I got them, is this "array type has incomplete..." and all those errors a gcc4 thing? |
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| 20:29.12 | mrstocks | is .ch swiss? |
| 20:29.14 | Bonkers- | in reference to a 2.4.32 or a 2.4.29 compile |
| 20:29.27 | tzafrir_laptop | mrstocks, yes |
| 20:29.28 | karsten | mrstocks: Yes. "Confederation Helvetia" |
| 20:29.32 | iostream | Hi. How does the debian installer handle MD devices and GRUB? Is grub automatically set up on booth disks? (RAID1) |
| 20:29.35 | valdyn | Bonkers-: whatever, you cant compile 2.4.x with gcc4 |
| 20:29.50 | Bonkers- | valdyn, that's what I was asking |
| 20:29.52 | mrstocks | :O harleyg hope you didn't mean that, you don't even know my mum |
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| 20:29.57 | takatumi | tzafrir_laptop: sd_mod? |
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| 20:30.04 | Bonkers- | now how do I tell the kernel to use gcc-3.4? |
| 20:30.11 | valdyn | !makeflags |
| 20:30.26 | takatumi | !kp mantra |
| 20:30.26 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 20:30.46 | abrotman | nvz: why is it always my fault? |
| 20:31.31 | tzafrir_laptop | takatumi, isn't it required by usb-storage? when I boot I can see the device, but I don't see the partitions recognized. I can boot an IDE disk on the same system with the same kernel (no initrd) |
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| 20:32.51 | takatumi | tzafrir_laptop: haven't tried it, but it may be this, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD |
| 20:32.55 | mrstocks | Oh yeah! 12mbits on ftp.de2.debian.org its burns! |
| 20:33.42 | tzafrir_laptop | duh! it is a module indeed |
| 20:34.10 | tzafrir_laptop | let's try an initrd |
| 20:35.06 | harleyg | :O harleyg hope you didn't mean that, you don't even know my mum wtf |
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| 20:35.30 | mrstocks | !=) |
| 20:35.42 | harleyg | no really wtgf |
| 20:35.43 | extremo | does anybody know how i can see the second nick ( that is the songs are playing) of msn 7 in amsn? |
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| 20:35.56 | mrstocks | harleyg was your swiss thinggy, felt rude |
| 20:36.07 | harleyg | what swiss thingu? |
| 20:36.15 | mrstocks | the .ch |
| 20:36.17 | harleyg | lol |
| 20:36.23 | harleyg | i didntsay anything about .ch |
| 20:36.26 | harleyg | i been away for 30mins... |
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| 20:36.27 | mrstocks | oh. |
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| 20:36.38 | harleyg | i think someone has got confused :) |
| 20:36.41 | mrstocks | karsten said it :) |
| 20:36.45 | harleyg | lol |
| 20:36.45 | adamy | linux doesnt not support ntfs, windows doesnt support anything, im stuck |
| 20:36.55 | harleyg | linux does.. |
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| 20:37.03 | harleyg | and windows has programs to read ext2/3 |
| 20:37.15 | tzafrir_laptop | explore2fs ? |
| 20:37.19 | harleyg | yeh |
| 20:37.39 | tzafrir_laptop | There is also something called lutils or something similar |
| 20:37.48 | EdLin | adamy: Linux can't *write* to NTFS safely, but it reads just fine. |
| 20:37.48 | mrstocks | Would i gain some speed on the net if i set my mtu/mru from 1412 to 1500? |
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| 20:37.57 | numist | someone please highlight me |
| 20:38.06 | mrstocks | numist why? |
| 20:38.09 | extremo | but can write to ntfs not safe? |
| 20:38.12 | numist | thanks |
| 20:38.16 | harleyg | depends |
| 20:38.30 | mrstocks | in the 2.6.x it says it can but its dangerous |
| 20:38.30 | harleyg | you have a strong chance of fidging up the partition |
| 20:38.31 | numist | script-fiddling |
| 20:38.34 | EdLin | extremo: complain to Microsoft for not releasing the specs |
| 20:38.45 | adamy | edlin, i cant hear what your saying but i can speak fine, will we be friends? |
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| 20:39.11 | extremo | oks |
| 20:39.14 | DimmuR | Hi I've a question about iptables I found in logs that somebody is trying to get to ssh so I've added iptables rule: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s <ip> -j DROP but host still try to connect - any1 have idea why it happens? Will route add <ip> reject be enough? |
| 20:39.14 | EdLin | adamy: what brought that on? I'm not flaming you. |
| 20:39.20 | mrstocks | adamy you need lessons on "Pulling chicks for dummies" !) |
| 20:39.26 | mrstocks | great book... |
| 20:39.33 | adamy | lol |
| 20:39.48 | adamy | i was just writing this cause he said i can read ntfs but not write |
| 20:39.51 | adamy | so what good is it |
| 20:39.57 | adamy | how can windows and linux be friends |
| 20:40.04 | bbrazil | DimmuR: use -I instead of -A, you're putting the rule last instead of first |
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| 20:40.07 | adamy | i just did a metaphore |
| 20:40.09 | harleyg | you can write |
| 20:40.11 | harleyg | you have a strong chance of fidging up the partition |
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| 20:40.15 | harleyg | fudging |
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| 20:40.30 | valdyn | DimmuR: you realise that there is probably a million bots out there doing that ( trying to log into random ssh servers )? |
| 20:40.44 | DimmuR | bbrazil: thx |
| 20:40.49 | EdLin | adamy: if it's a FAT Windows partition there's no problem in writing or reading to it. |
| 20:40.59 | EdLin | adamy: it's only NTFS that's problematic |
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| 20:41.13 | DimmuR | valdyn: yes i realise that but isn't it the best time to learn what bots doo and what to do to stop them ? |
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| 20:41.54 | bucky | dimm0k: the best thing to do is run ssh on a non-standard port and use a strong passwd... not dictionary passwd |
| 20:42.13 | bucky | i mean DimmuR |
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| 20:42.33 | mrstocks | it's strange how a 33mhz can download at more than 7mbits/sec |
| 20:42.37 | DimmuR | bucky: i have non standard port, non root login, denyhosts and limit connections already :) |
| 20:42.46 | levander | nvz: that worked, I had to turn on mouse/keyboard legacy emulation, but the keyboad and mouse are working now |
| 20:42.49 | levander | nvz: thanks man |
| 20:43.00 | valdyn | mrstocks: why's that strange? |
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| 20:43.21 | mrstocks | i wouldn't of though it could of handeld it... even just the speed of writting it to the hd |
| 20:43.26 | DimmuR | i got logs like Bad protocol version identification 'GET /uri-res/N2R?urn:sha1:YFZWOHBQXS6A45OFP4PQUPYSFCP5TMSS HTTP/1.1' which isnt typical for bots (maybe nessus?) |
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| 20:44.01 | harleyg | i have an old 133mhz laptop, which is ok on dsl, but i cant get wireless/ethernet card working |
| 20:44.08 | djp | i'm having problems with thumbnail generation. is it safe to delete the .thumbnails folder in my /home directory? if i do, is there a log or any other record kept anywhere else on the system that would also need editing/deleting? |
| 20:44.12 | harleyg | and i have a 66mhz cpu somewhere :D |
| 20:44.44 | mrstocks | harleyg my pc is in a wooden box. with guts hanging in it, most of it is super glued |
| 20:44.56 | harleyg | lol |
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| 20:45.11 | levander | djp: maybe just move the thumbnail folder to back it up, then if there's a problem, restore it? |
| 20:45.12 | mrstocks | once its nicly set up, i just close it and its a router |
| 20:45.21 | harleyg | yeh |
| 20:45.32 | harleyg | i wanna turn my server into a rotuer |
| 20:45.41 | harleyg | but i need to find out more info about making one |
| 20:45.44 | harleyg | you got a tutorial? |
| 20:45.50 | djp | levander, will do |
| 20:45.58 | mrstocks | harleyg i just "made it" |
| 20:46.04 | harleyg | yes how |
| 20:46.15 | harleyg | how do you get connections from the modem |
| 20:46.45 | harleyg | then how do you share that connection through the server and then out from another ethernet port to my 24port switch, and then to all the other comps/devices from that |
| 20:47.20 | mrstocks | harleyg the set? stuff all teh parts in teh box, put 2 eth cards in it; eth0 does the ppp0 connection the eth1 does the wireless land fix ip masquerading from eth0 to eth1 |
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| 20:47.56 | mrstocks | set it up correctly, pull away keyb and screen and all other stuff then just close it |
| 20:47.59 | glouph | Is there a /boot partition with debian ? |
| 20:48.09 | harleyg | yes but connection from the modem isnt a standard ethernet cable |
| 20:48.09 | mrstocks | glouph if you want one.. |
| 20:48.17 | harleyg | its a phone line one |
| 20:48.18 | glouph | Where is grub usually ? |
| 20:48.20 | mrstocks | harleyg depends of your connection |
| 20:48.22 | harleyg | and how do you share a connection |
| 20:48.30 | tzafrir_laptop | glouph, normally it is not needed |
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| 20:48.48 | glouph | Where should I install grub if it was removed by windows then ? |
| 20:48.56 | mrstocks | harleyg you need two connections one that is on the internet and the other that is local |
| 20:49.11 | harleyg | im confused |
| 20:49.15 | harleyg | in my setup its like this |
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| 20:49.54 | harleyg | phone line - modem - phone line cable - router internet input - ethernet cable - 24port switch - computers + AP |
| 20:50.08 | harleyg | how do you get a phone line cable from the router into a computer |
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| 20:51.04 | dimes | Filesystem Question: 2+ TB file system which will hold mostly muli-mb and multi-gb files; ext3,reiser,xfs? I am under the impression that XFS is good for this scenario. Anyone have real experience with this? |
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| 20:51.19 | mrstocks_ | piff... 40mbits/sec still not stable.. |
| 20:51.25 | harleyg | lol |
| 20:51.32 | harleyg | did you see what i said before? |
| 20:51.38 | mrstocks_ | dunno |
| 20:51.38 | harleyg | harleyg phone line - modem - phone line cable - router internet input - ethernet cable - 24port switch - computers + AP |
| 20:51.38 | harleyg | harleyg how do you get a phone line cable from the router into a computer |
| 20:52.11 | SimAtWrk | dimes: i would personally use reiserfs |
| 20:52.21 | SimAtWrk | dimes: i'd also have libtrash installed |
| 20:52.56 | mjk64 | glouph: I always install GRUB on the MBR, and Windows used to work fine with that setup |
| 20:52.57 | mrstocks_ | stick the modem in, plug the telephone line in it config your pc, get a ethernet cable, and plus an acccess point into it |
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| 20:53.10 | mrstocks_ | configure ip masq or a proxy server |
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| 20:53.33 | dimes | SimAtWrk: libtrash? |
| 20:53.36 | mrstocks_ | its very simple, i think ull find lots of help reading ip masquerading tuts |
| 20:53.40 | glouph | mjk64, i've got no choice between linux and windows when i boot |
| 20:53.55 | harleyg | but from the modem it isnt a standard ethernet cable, its like a phone line one, like the cable that goes to it in the 1st place |
| 20:53.59 | mjk64 | glouph: It boots Windows then? |
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| 20:54.02 | glouph | Yes |
| 20:54.05 | harleyg | that cant go into a ethernet card... anyway ill read up on it |
| 20:54.10 | Usiu | I dont have icons on my gnome desktop after upgrade any help !? |
| 20:54.21 | SimAtWrk | dimes, a system wide trashcan that links into the "unlink" calls. (you can't undelete on reiser) |
| 20:54.24 | mrstocks_ | harleyg then you have a usual modem |
| 20:54.25 | Usiu | I only have name.desktop things.. |
| 20:54.33 | tzafrir_laptop | glouph, boot from a rescuedisk (e.g: the debian installation disk, or a knoppix) |
| 20:54.38 | Usiu | When this will be fixed ? |
| 20:54.48 | Usiu | What package to downgrade ? |
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| 20:54.52 | mjk64 | glouph: So backup your old MBR (dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/<yourdevice> of=somefile) and install GRUB in the MBR. It /should/ work. At least it does for me. |
| 20:55.10 | dimes | SimAtWrk: its actually an apps file storage, as opposed to a corporate file share, not sure its needed |
| 20:55.14 | carramba | hello. can I find anyone here wanted to help with udev+gphoto2? |
| 20:55.26 | Usiu | carramba, what camera ? |
| 20:55.28 | glouph | tzafrir_laptop, actually i'm on the ubuntu live cd |
| 20:55.37 | carramba | Usiu: canon a70 |
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| 20:55.43 | Usiu | carramba, Powershot ?? |
| 20:55.51 | SimAtWrk | dimes: oh, probably not... still handy to have though |
| 20:55.59 | glouph | Ok mjk64 but how do I install grub when the backup is done ? |
| 20:56.00 | tzafrir_laptop | mjk64, glouph , nah. simply: mount your system, chroot into it and run grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 20:56.06 | dimes | SimAtWrk: I thought Reiser was good for lots of little files(mail server, etc) and that XFS was better for large files. Anyone else with opinions? |
| 20:56.11 | harleyg | lol mrstocks_, i was getting confused with somethign else, yes it is an ethernet cable |
| 20:56.26 | tzafrir_laptop | The ubuntu live cd is nice, but takes ages to start |
| 20:56.33 | Usiu | carramba, as far as I know I had to remove *cannon* from gphoto2 libraries.. and now it works.. it detects diffrent camera but works great.. |
| 20:56.34 | glouph | I can't mount it because there's no superuser with the ubuntu live cd |
| 20:56.35 | carramba | Usiu: yes |
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| 20:56.40 | SimAtWrk | dimes: from what i understand reiserfs beats the pants off everything else for small files and is just as good as the others for large files. |
| 20:56.44 | harleyg | so you get from modem - ethernet card... then from tha you bridge it to the other card, then from they you plug that into switch |
| 20:56.46 | harleyg | ? |
| 20:56.46 | thingfish | I believe xfs was designed with large files in mind. |
| 20:56.47 | harleyg | :) |
| 20:56.50 | SimAtWrk | dimes: but i could be wrong about that. |
| 20:56.52 | Usiu | carramba, wait a second |
| 20:56.52 | carramba | Usiu: remove? |
| 20:56.56 | Usiu | carramba, yes |
| 20:56.57 | tzafrir_laptop | glouph, sudo -s? su -? |
| 20:57.04 | mjk64 | tzafrir_laptop: Hm? How does that oppose to what I said? Okay, you don't want to make a backup. :-) |
| 20:57.08 | thingfish | also reiserfs is still not trusted by a lot of people. |
| 20:57.09 | mrstocks_ | harleyg all you need are two modems, both on the same pc, one for the internet and the other for the local |
| 20:57.14 | glouph | Yay ! I'm superuser ! :D |
| 20:57.19 | thingfish | !reiserfs |
| 20:57.20 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 20:57.24 | SimAtWrk | thingfish: depends on the version |
| 20:57.24 | harleyg | 2modems? |
| 20:57.24 | Usiu | carramba, rm -f /usr/lib/gphoto2/2.1.6/*cannon* |
| 20:57.30 | harleyg | cant you use one for the same thing? |
| 20:57.33 | Usiu | carramba, and connect your camer-a |
| 20:57.41 | Usiu | carramba, now it should work fine.. |
| 20:57.48 | carramba | Usiu: one moment ... |
| 20:57.54 | valdyn | is ext3 even as slow as reiserfs in deleting x GB sized files? |
| 20:58.00 | mrstocks_ | harleyg no you need 2 |
| 20:58.05 | harleyg | mmm |
| 20:58.12 | Usiu | carramba, you will see poping up window but this time it will be able to download photos |
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| 20:58.20 | harleyg | so altogether you need a computer with 3 ethernet cards? |
| 20:58.21 | `vincent | i upgraded to bind9 and dig now fails with 'undefined symbol in /usr/lib/libbind9.so.0', i removed dnsutils and reinstalled to no avail, suggestions ? |
| 20:58.32 | mrstocks_ | <~no harleyg two only |
| 20:58.37 | harleyg | mmm |
| 20:58.40 | mrstocks_ | internet and local |
| 20:58.50 | harleyg | ok... but how do you share it to the switch |
| 20:58.57 | harleyg | if both cards are being used from the modems |
| 20:59.11 | carramba | Usiu: sorry, not working |
| 20:59.12 | Usiu | Anyone know whats wrong with my gnome ?? |
| 20:59.22 | Usiu | carramba, but do you see poping up window ? |
| 20:59.26 | carramba | Usiu: previously it worked for root |
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| 20:59.39 | carramba | Usiu: now "Unknown model" |
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| 20:59.42 | mrstocks_ | lol... are you pulling my leg? only onr is plugged in to the internet then you can add a switch to teh second modem ot put wifi or what ever |
| 20:59.46 | carramba | Usiu: I use gphoto2 command line |
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| 21:00.04 | dimes | Thanks All for the opinions on filesystems. Is there by chance a Filesystem specific chanel? |
| 21:00.09 | harleyg | so why do you need 2 modems? |
| 21:00.10 | Usiu | carramba, In gnome I have gthumb I guess... |
| 21:00.12 | harleyg | im confused |
| 21:00.15 | harleyg | your telling me |
| 21:00.16 | Usiu | carramba, which does everything.. |
| 21:00.20 | valdyn | !fs comparison |
| 21:00.21 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 21:00.29 | harleyg | insted of phone line to modem, the modem to router |
| 21:00.31 | carramba | Usiu: yes, I have heard about it ... :) |
| 21:00.32 | Usiu | carramba, first fix permsions.. |
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| 21:00.40 | djMax | it all started with apt-get install smbfs... But now apt-get is just whacked out. I can't install anything, and it's removed update-rc.d. Any thoughts or follow up things to check? |
| 21:00.45 | harleyg | you have switch to modem, then modem to ethnet card |
| 21:00.47 | carramba | Usiu: but now I am on the lower level :) |
| 21:00.56 | SimAtWrk | djMax: someone showed me something earlier today that helped |
| 21:01.00 | harleyg | then on the other one, internet to modem, then modem to computer |
| 21:01.02 | carramba | Usiu: yes, permissions, ... I would like to know how :) |
| 21:01.19 | mrstocks_ | harleyg its better to have one card dedicated to the net |
| 21:01.23 | SimAtWrk | i forget what they asked the bot for, but it amounted to going to my sources.list and changing all unstable/testing to stable |
| 21:01.23 | Usiu | carramba, adduser youruser camera |
| 21:01.25 | mrstocks_ | then a second to do that lan |
| 21:01.27 | Usiu | carramba, relog |
| 21:01.32 | SimAtWrk | doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:01.33 | harleyg | ok |
| 21:01.37 | SimAtWrk | and then putting my sources.list back |
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| 21:01.42 | Usiu | carramba, it will add your user to group camer-a |
| 21:01.43 | SimAtWrk | djMax: maybe it will help you too! |
| 21:01.45 | harleyg | what programs wil i have to use to get it working |
| 21:01.51 | djMax | thx, I'll try that |
| 21:01.58 | Usiu | carramba, you can edit /etc/groups by hand as well |
| 21:02.04 | carramba | Usiu: done already half a year ago :) |
| 21:02.13 | takatumi | SimAtWrk: that doesn't sound right. |
| 21:02.13 | mrstocks_ | harleyg iptables using the table called masq |
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| 21:02.54 | SimAtWrk | takatumi: it fixed a huge problem for me. aparantly what was happenign was i had packages older than the stable while using testing and it is "not support" |
| 21:02.55 | Usiu | carramba, then use gthumb you have to use that IPP or sth.. I dont rememer.. protocol.. wait a second.. |
| 21:03.07 | harleyg | ok |
| 21:03.25 | Usiu | carramba, gphoto2=model=Canon PowerShot SD500 (PTP mode) |
| 21:03.37 | Usiu | carramba, you have to use PTP mode |
| 21:03.45 | djMax | after modifying sources.list, do I need to do something to get apt-get to see that? |
| 21:04.01 | Usiu | carramba, or use gthumb |
| 21:04.02 | antgel_ | djMax: apt-get update. /msg dpkg reference |
| 21:04.18 | djMax | yeah, tried that. |
| 21:04.21 | Usiu | Can anybody HELP me with gnome ? why after upgrade I dont see icons ?! |
| 21:04.28 | harleyg | but couldnt you do this with one modem and 2 ethernet cards |
| 21:04.42 | carramba | Usiu: thanks, but I prefer my command line and also previously non-PTP worked :) |
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| 21:04.45 | glouph | tzafrir_laptop, I must mount /dev/sda at some directory like /oldfs and then chroot into /oldfs and do grub-install, am I right ? |
| 21:04.59 | harleyg | like phone line to modem, modem to ethernet card, then share the connection to another ethernet card, and form that card it goes to the switch |
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| 21:05.32 | antgel_ | djMax: will you be pasting the error somewhere or sticking to the description "whacked out"? |
| 21:05.32 | Usiu | carramba, then I cant help you... the following configuration works fine for me... |
| 21:05.38 | mrstocks_ | no, telephone cable on wall -> modem on PC ||||| Ethernet -> lan |
| 21:05.40 | Usiu | carramba, I have to remove cannon modules.. |
| 21:05.45 | Usiu | carramba, I mean I had |
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| 21:06.07 | antgel_ | djMax: are you using stable? |
| 21:06.09 | harleyg | yeh.... |
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| 21:06.17 | harleyg | so you dont need 2 modems |
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| 21:06.18 | harleyg | :) |
| 21:06.20 | djMax | :) if this works, then I'll stick to "whacked out". Right now apt-get -f install is saying it will remove mount-aes and do I really want to do that |
| 21:06.34 | mrstocks_ | harleyg isnt an ethernet card considered as a modem? |
| 21:06.40 | carramba | Usiu: thanks for the suggestions. However I think something messed up in the meantime in config files (gphoto/udev) and now it is stuck |
| 21:06.48 | djMax | I think perhaps I was on unstable for Asterisk, in that the unstable lines were not commented out. (Nor were the stable ones) |
| 21:06.48 | harleyg | wouldnt say so |
| 21:06.49 | carramba | Usiu: do you use hotplug? |
| 21:06.51 | harleyg | :) |
| 21:06.57 | harleyg | i understand now though |
| 21:07.00 | harleyg | thank you |
| 21:07.03 | mrstocks_ | well... :) then its fine |
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| 21:07.20 | Usiu | carramba, I removed it.. and I didnt check after that if now my camera work.. |
| 21:07.22 | antgel_ | djMax: please don't mix packages from different releases. as you have found out, it's a good way to hose your box |
| 21:07.36 | djMax | I wasn't trying to, but apparently it's hosed anyway |
| 21:07.36 | sobersabre | guys. I've tried to dig the net for documentation on how to setup modem pool.... does anybody have a pointer ? |
| 21:07.47 | mrstocks_ | 0x03 |
| 21:07.50 | sobersabre | i've mostly tried google. |
| 21:07.58 | djMax | i.e. the only thing I did today was "apt-get install samba smbfs" and from then on it's been nothing but pain. |
| 21:08.18 | Usiu | WHO CAN help me ? Why I dont see icons in my gnome after upgrade ?? Only thing.desktop.. ?? |
| 21:08.25 | Usiu | This sucks |
| 21:08.33 | nvz | wtf! I installed flashplugin-nonfree and restarted firefox and no flash :( |
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| 21:08.45 | djMax | it seems to be chewing on libc6 now, so maybe that's a good sign. |
| 21:08.55 | mrstocks_ | nvz tried about:plugins? |
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| 21:09.04 | pattieja | hello |
| 21:09.09 | mrstocks_ | and if you start it from the cmd line, u will sdee a debug |
| 21:09.11 | antgel_ | djMax: it's the things that you did on the day that you tried to mix releases that hosed it |
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| 21:09.51 | djMax | You mean because when I uncommented unstable I should've commented stable? That was so long ago I could swear I just followed Asterisk instructions, but perhaps I didn't. |
| 21:09.51 | nvz | mrstocks_: says no plugins are installed |
| 21:10.01 | marty | i am installing sarge, and have an install cd with the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel. is there any advantage to downloading a new install cd with a newer/different kernel? |
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| 21:10.31 | azeem | marty: if you type install26 at the boot prompt, it will do 2.6 |
| 21:10.34 | mrstocks_ | do a find / -name "flashplu*" -print then copy it to your /firefox dir |
| 21:10.35 | nvz | I just installed it using the mozilla plugin finder |
| 21:10.41 | azeem | or was that linux26? |
| 21:10.41 | `vincent | marty: unless you have problems with that install cd, i don't see why you can't install w/ it and apt-get a netwer kernel |
| 21:10.51 | `vincent | azeem: linux26 |
| 21:10.52 | zinosat | anyone has experience with arabic fonts and know what a gsub table is? |
| 21:10.58 | marty | k |
| 21:10.58 | djMax | So, given that this is a production phone system, am I *totally* hosed, or will this revert to stable have a prayer of success? |
| 21:11.02 | harleyg | mrstocks, one more thing, does it have to be an internal modem, like pci, or can it be an normal external one |
| 21:11.03 | marty | thanks |
| 21:11.03 | harleyg | :)O |
| 21:11.23 | l3m | i'm trying to get tvout to work on a fç&ç%*% ati card. i installed fglrx drivers, but the image on the tv is always black//white,. any ideas? |
| 21:11.28 | mrstocks_ | harleyg it has to be a compatible modem with linux |
| 21:11.38 | harleyg | ok... so it has to be pci? |
| 21:11.45 | mrstocks_ | nope usb if you want |
| 21:11.53 | mrstocks_ | and if a driver is avail for it |
| 21:11.58 | harleyg | id prefer pci |
| 21:12.00 | harleyg | ok |
| 21:12.06 | harleyg | any recomended ones? |
| 21:12.26 | mrstocks_ | 3com's and a belking 54g access point |
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| 21:12.58 | mrstocks_ | harleyg just check for a driver before you buy |
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| 21:13.05 | harleyg | ok |
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| 21:13.38 | jrattner1 | Has anyone ever synced a PDA with Windows Mobile in linux? |
| 21:13.47 | mrstocks_ | oki well im changing pcs, later |
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| 21:14.00 | jdhutchin1 | jrattner1, yes, it's called 'synce' |
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| 21:14.33 | rbd | any idea when the asterisk 1.2 debs might be making it into testing? |
| 21:14.33 | jrattner1 | jdhutchin1, what software did you use, right now i have a samsung sch-i730 PDA smartphone with windows mobile, and im dying to get synce(ing) to work |
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| 21:15.08 | nvz | rbd: oh I dunno, maybe 10 days or so after it enters unstable and doesnt have any RC bugs |
| 21:15.25 | valdyn | l3m: if the image is b/w but otherwise fine that is probably not a software fault, but your TV |
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| 21:18.23 | sobersabre | windows mobile |
| 21:18.33 | azeem | djMax: sysv-rc: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 21:18.33 | sobersabre | i use synce indeed. |
| 21:18.33 | jrattner1 | sobersabre, what version?? |
| 21:18.38 | sobersabre | jrattner1 I don't know :) |
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| 21:18.47 | jrattner1 | alright seems like SYNCE is the way to go alright let me give this a read |
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| 21:18.57 | sobersabre | good luck. |
| 21:19.06 | valdyn | l3m: maybe you have a PAL TV and you using an NTSC signal |
| 21:19.07 | PDani_ | is there tool for generate encoded passwd from plaintext password, and uses the same algorythm as the /etc/shadow uses? |
| 21:19.29 | sobersabre | PDani_ man mkpasswd |
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| 21:19.30 | valdyn | l3m: while your nvidia card outputs PAL |
| 21:19.53 | l3m | valdyn: no, i've tried pal-b, pal-g, all b/w |
| 21:20.05 | sobersabre | guys, can somebody direct me what shall i read to setup a modem pool with multiline modem ? |
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| 21:20.44 | djMax | yeah, no such file there. |
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| 21:21.03 | PDani_ | thx very much |
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| 21:21.47 | mhall | Has anybody got a UNIX method for sorting strings on a line by their length? Also how can I convince ls to only output files or directories in its output? I could not find anything in the manual page on this. |
| 21:22.06 | djMax | so then I suppose I'm now asking "how do I get update-rc.d |
| 21:22.26 | `vincent | dpkg -S update-rc.d ? |
| 21:22.29 | dpkg | Package: update-rc.d: Status: install ok installed |
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| 21:22.51 | asuffield | mhall: use find, not ls |
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| 21:23.06 | bowman | mhall: what else shout ls output if not files and dirs? |
| 21:23.12 | bowman | s/shout/should/g |
| 21:24.00 | mhall | bowman: I meant to only output one kind or the other. |
| 21:24.01 | djMax | didn't like that dpkg command |
| 21:24.03 | franz | Hi all does anybody know if it's possible to use gosa with an tls enabled cyrus server? |
| 21:24.15 | mhall | asuffield: Yeah that's what I had been using. find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -print |
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| 21:24.30 | mhall | asuffield: I just wanted to be sure there wasn't a more elegant method that I missed. |
| 21:24.31 | asuffield | that's what you want, yes |
| 21:24.34 | asuffield | nope, that's it |
| 21:24.42 | azeem | djMax: 22:13 < azeem> djMax: sysv-rc: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 21:24.59 | djMax | I'm not sure what that's telling me to do |
| 21:25.04 | mhall | asuffield: I'll just write a patched ls that can do it. |
| 21:25.16 | azeem | djMax: sorry. It says update-rc.d is in the sysv-rc package |
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| 21:25.25 | mhall | asuffield: Should be pretty easy, just find its stat call and run the S_ISDIR macro. |
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| 21:25.42 | djMax | yeah, I can't apt-get that because I get a bunch of unmet dependency errors |
| 21:25.52 | azeem | did you run apt-get -f install= |
| 21:25.53 | azeem | ? |
| 21:25.54 | djMax | so when I do apt-get -f install, it says update-rc.d not found. |
| 21:26.09 | djMax | and somehow, I can't seem to catch my own tail. |
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| 21:26.21 | azeem | djMax: hrm |
| 21:26.56 | azeem | you can extract update-rc.d from the sysv-rc package and place it manually in /usr/sbin |
| 21:27.02 | azeem | djMax: or just grab it from http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/update-rc.d |
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| 21:28.40 | djMax | that did it, thanks! Now it's removing all sorts of stuff. |
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| 21:29.18 | Bertram | !seen pere |
| 21:29.19 | dpkg | pere <i=foobar@diskless.uio.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 83d 11h 35m 15s ago, saying: 'omnibike: sorry, I am not a DNS guru. I'm not sure.'. |
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| 21:29.38 | kneecaps | I cant log on via ssh but I can log on to the box locally with the same user/pass combo. What could be causing this? |
| 21:29.51 | djMax | ugh, failed on module-init-tools with no error messages |
| 21:29.55 | Bonkers | kneecaps: trying to log in as root? |
| 21:29.56 | pattieja | anybody know if I will lose connectivity to a system that I am ssh'd into if I run mii-tool with autonegotation? I am having trouble getting a gigabit connection from the network adapter. It only connects at 100Mbps/Full Duplex. |
| 21:30.06 | kneecaps | Bonkers: nope :D |
| 21:30.22 | kneecaps | Bonkers: its only crept in after my upgrade to Sarge |
| 21:30.46 | Bonkers | weird, dunno then |
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| 21:31.14 | N0S3 | hello |
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| 21:31.20 | Bertram | hi |
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| 21:32.10 | mhall | OMFG, I just set up a quick search of the debian package database. I never tried this before and it works _so_ well. God I love Firefox. I wish I had done this sooner. |
| 21:32.33 | Bertram | lol. good to hear |
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| 21:34.59 | franz | Hi all does anybody know if it's possible to use gosa with an tls enabled cyrus server? |
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| 21:35.21 | Bertram | frankie: Damn me, I don't even know gosa |
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| 21:36.17 | mrstocks | does freenode change our hostname? |
| 21:36.39 | mrstocks | i don't even know mine :-( |
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| 21:39.29 | mrstocks | lo |
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| 21:40.00 | aj_ | i have a weird question i have an ubuntu installation is there a way to apt-get dist-upgrade to a debian distro? |
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| 21:40.25 | N0S3 | how i can use tune2fs ? i need check my hda1 at count of 300 !, how i doI make it |
| 21:40.33 | dimes | 64-bit Question: Can you convert a 32bit sarge install to a 64bit one without a wipe and reinstall? |
| 21:40.34 | fwtest | are there any tools we can use to export pdf pages into images? |
| 21:40.40 | SuperSox | hi, my system doesn't seem to be detecting all my ram (880mb or so out of 2gb) the ram is new and checks out fine on post - any suggestions? |
| 21:41.03 | dimes | SuperSox: Enable 4GB mem in the kernel |
| 21:41.05 | thingfish | aj_: that's really not the way to do things. Just get the netinstall image and install from scratch. |
| 21:41.06 | Serge_K | aj_: I guess its possible if you point your sources.list to debian sites |
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| 21:41.18 | SuperSox | dimes: ah. |
| 21:41.38 | aj_ | i just don't want to re-format |
| 21:41.38 | Xenguy | aj_: I would get several 2nd opinions on your question |
| 21:41.54 | dimes | SuperSox: Can be a module too in some distros |
| 21:42.08 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 21:42.31 | SuperSox | I'm running a custom kernel, so it'll probably have to be a recompile, thanks dimes, can't belive I let that one slip |
| 21:42.31 | mhall | asuffield: was just looking at the ls code |
| 21:42.31 | elephantMan | I heard that mounting a 'nfs' partition is a lot more effective that working with a smbfs through samba |
| 21:42.36 | mrstocks | ROFL: Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (2.4.27-11) the info it gives you is great about the modules list |
| 21:42.37 | mhall | asuffield: mighty scary |
| 21:42.50 | mike_ | how do i install the firefox beta in debian? i'm guessing it's not in the repositories yet, right? |
| 21:43.08 | elephantMan | So i would like to mount a 'nfs' MacOsX partition on my debian box |
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| 21:43.32 | mhall | !tell mike_ about experimental |
| 21:43.35 | elephantMan | How this partition would be accessible ? With something like : '//mac/hda1' ? |
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| 21:43.47 | dimes | No one have an opinion on converting from 32bit to 64bit? |
| 21:43.55 | mhall | mike_: deb http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 21:44.00 | elephantMan | With 'mac' the name of the MacOsX box on the network ? |
| 21:44.02 | mhall | mike_: deb-src http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 21:44.07 | mike_ | mhall: thank you |
| 21:44.11 | Serge_K | mike_: just get firefox beta from their site and unpack it into /opt:) |
| 21:44.13 | valdyn | dimes: you need to reinstall |
| 21:44.27 | mike_ | Serge_K: then what? |
| 21:44.48 | mhall | elephantMan: yeah ok |
| 21:45.01 | Serge_K | mike_: then run it.. |
| 21:45.14 | mhall | elephantMan: host.foo.bar:/directory |
| 21:45.27 | mhall | elephantMan: so mount 192.168.0.1:/home /mnt/home |
| 21:45.34 | mhall | elephantMan: or something along these lines |
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| 21:45.46 | mhall | elephantMan: also, kernel needs to have nfs client support |
| 21:46.26 | mrstocks | can i add in a cron.weekly a "#!/bin/sh -c apt-get update && yes > apt-get dist-upgrade > /tmp/update_`date`.log" (im crap at scipting) |
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| 21:46.33 | chr1s | hi everyone :) |
| 21:46.55 | Serge_K | mike_: well you might make a menu entry pointing to /opt/firefox/run-mozilla.sh |
| 21:46.56 | chr1s | I'm trying to build a package from source but I don't have root access, so make install fails |
| 21:46.57 | mhall | mrstocks: hold up |
| 21:47.08 | chr1s | is there a way to do a make install in userspace or something? |
| 21:47.12 | mhall | chr1s: fakeroot or use --prefix==~/home/toolkit |
| 21:47.20 | dimes | valdyn: Ok next question, I had to use a custom sarge install that had a 2.6.14 kernel so that my 3ware raid would work. Got a link on how to create my own 64bit 2.6.14 sarge disk? Or maybe a link or channel name that would have knowledge of a custom sarge disk with 64bit 2.6.14? |
| 21:47.23 | elephantMan | mhall, ok great thanx a lot - i am gonna try this now |
| 21:47.23 | mhall | chr1s: that prefix option goes into configure script before build |
| 21:47.27 | mhall | elephantMan: yeah you got it |
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| 21:47.53 | mhall | dimes: are you sure default debian 2.6 doesn't have 3ware driver |
| 21:47.53 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 21:47.54 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 21:48.25 | mhall | dimes: additionally debian for amd64 does not have flash, full media player support, or OOo |
| 21:48.29 | mrstocks | ah sh?t my last smoke and its broke in two parts |
| 21:48.31 | mhall | dimes: tread with caution |
| 21:48.32 | dimes | valdyn: Not for the 9550SX series |
| 21:48.40 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:48.40 | mhall | dimes: but it's REAL FUCKIN FAST though |
| 21:48.41 | mtnman | mrstocks: now you have two. |
| 21:48.46 | mhall | dimes: so it's not all bad yeah |
| 21:48.52 | mhall | Firestarter: fuckin pyro |
| 21:48.59 | mrstocks | lol |
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| 21:49.18 | dimes | Well, its a very limited install server with a custom app on it so I dont care about desktop stuff |
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| 21:49.24 | valdyn | dimes: yea, i dont even know how to create a custom i386 d-i, but amd64 should be different at all, just that file are gotten off different mirrors |
| 21:49.29 | mhall | !zoosmite OOo |
| 21:49.31 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, OOo loves the zoo! |
| 21:49.36 | mohadib | why would du -h say my disk is 100% full , when it is not? |
| 21:49.38 | valdyn | s/should/shouldn't |
| 21:49.48 | mohadib | i just deletd all the files on the disk |
| 21:49.52 | mhall | mohadib: room is reserved for root only to use |
| 21:50.04 | mohadib | 5% |
| 21:50.04 | mhall | mohadib: try df -h also |
| 21:50.20 | mohadib | mhall: that what i used , sorry |
| 21:50.36 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 21:50.36 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 21:50.44 | Firestarter | mhall: heh |
| 21:50.45 | mrstocks | !canon ip3000 |
| 21:51.06 | valdyn | dimes: i'd use debootstrap, but it requires somewhat more knowledge about debian than d-i |
| 21:51.16 | sinned | can debian not read the word "Décor" on the cmd line by default? it comes up as "D?cor" when I ls on that file, but tab complete shows it as "Décor" |
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| 21:51.38 | mrstocks | sinned it camed up weird here |
| 21:51.43 | sinned | Ive installed every user locale there is |
| 21:51.43 | mhall | Firestarter: ;-) |
| 21:51.46 | mrstocks | and im on a pretty much edfault install |
| 21:51.48 | sinned | freaky |
| 21:51.53 | sinned | hmm |
| 21:52.02 | dimes | valdyn: thats not an issue, I am not a Kern Progger, but I have been using debian and other assorted linuxes(linuxi??) since before 2.0 |
| 21:52.20 | dimes | valdyn: Just dont know where to start with this particular issue |
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| 21:52.40 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 21:52.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 21:52.52 | Bonkers | what's the GUI apt-get of choice these days? |
| 21:52.54 | valdyn | dimes: ^^^^ |
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| 21:53.15 | Tortel | Bonkers: KDE or Gnome |
| 21:53.31 | Bonkers | ok, now for an answer of the question I just asked... |
| 21:53.31 | Tortel | Or the default X thingy..... |
| 21:53.42 | valdyn | dimes: /j #debian-amd64 anyway, they likely know more |
| 21:53.43 | mtnman | bonkers: xterm |
| 21:53.48 | Tortel | Bonkers what's the GUI apt-get of choice these days? <=-Oh, sorry |
| 21:53.50 | Bonkers | heh |
| 21:53.52 | Tortel | aptitude? |
| 21:53.59 | Bonkers | I'll chekc out aptitude |
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| 21:54.10 | dimes | valdyn: Thank you looking at it now, and just joined teh channel. Thanks again |
| 21:54.16 | mrstocks | how do you save a page in links? |
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| 21:55.10 | N0S3 | hello |
| 21:55.37 | mhall | dimes: alright i've been reading |
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| 21:55.48 | mhall | dimes: and from what i can tell the 3ware controller is supported |
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| 21:56.19 | dimes | mhall: not the 9550SX prior to 2.6.14 |
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| 21:56.30 | xerophyte_ | how can i make hardlink of directory |
| 21:56.46 | mhall | dimes: alright i have got a link for you |
| 21:56.54 | michael_1 | can I make an application (that can usually only run by root) executable for regular users (or one specific)? |
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| 21:58.10 | eeyore- | xerophyte_: ln, "man ln", unless you use "-s" (soft), it'll be hard link if it's on the same filesystem and the filesystem supports hard links |
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| 21:58.34 | xerophyte_ | eeyore-, i mean you can make to file can you make to directory |
| 21:59.10 | stew | xerophyte_: no, you can only do softlinks of directories |
| 21:59.12 | sifi | is internet radio called "Digital Radio" or DR academicly like FM, AM, LM? |
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| 21:59.56 | mhall | dimes: oof link disappeared; just a minute |
| 21:59.59 | Eruantalon | Where can i find working packages for mythtv for debian? |
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| 22:00.39 | stew | Eruantalon: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian |
| 22:00.50 | Eruantalon | Doesn't work |
| 22:01.05 | Eruantalon | as far as i can tell |
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| 22:01.10 | stew | oh, hmm |
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| 22:01.36 | mhall | dimes: tell me your email and i'll get back to you with the answer after class |
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| 22:01.50 | mhall | dimes: i've got to wait for the debian installer people to reply to me and they're being a little slow |
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| 22:02.50 | Eruantalon | stew: It doesn't seem to be managed anymore: the only thing there is mythtv.old and it is lacking the essential packages |
| 22:03.03 | xored | what is mean by "x- includes" X-server inludes, but where are they normaly located ? |
| 22:03.19 | mhall | xored: please clarivy |
| 22:03.21 | stew | Eruantalon: dunno then, ask #mythtv-users |
| 22:03.32 | Eruantalon | k thx |
| 22:04.04 | xored | iam trying to compile umbrello and getting that : checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
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| 22:04.42 | xored | mhall: i found the X11 libs, but what do they mean by inlcudes ? |
| 22:04.43 | stew | !wayc xored |
| 22:04.44 | dpkg | xored: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 22:04.56 | mhall | yeah that's the -dev packages |
| 22:04.59 | mhall | xored yeah that's the -dev packages |
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| 22:05.09 | xored | because i need the newest version. There are bugfixed that are important for me |
| 22:05.20 | xored | mhall: so install the X-server dev packages ? |
| 22:05.20 | mhall | xored: if you use debian source you can fix this up with apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 22:05.23 | mhall | xored: another trick |
| 22:05.26 | xored | ok |
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| 22:05.32 | stew | xored: apt-get build-dep umbrello |
| 22:05.32 | mhall | xored: if you are building new version of non-debian package |
| 22:05.36 | mhall | xored: this still works |
| 22:05.41 | mhall | xored: most of the time anyways |
| 22:05.49 | mhall | xored: so try that and rerun the build and see if it runs ok |
| 22:06.11 | mhall | alright g2g2 class |
| 22:06.14 | mhall | cya |
| 22:06.32 | xored | stew: wow stew , didnt know that |
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| 22:06.45 | N0S3 | stew: |
| 22:06.49 | N0S3 | stew: hello |
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| 22:06.51 | Fluten | i have a dvd that decss won't touch. it won't play in mplayer or rip using vobcopy, but it plays and rips fine in windows xp. what could be the problem? |
| 22:06.52 | lekvar | speaking of building... i'm finding no apt sources that'll install mplayer. maybe someone's managed to build it (etch) |
| 22:06.55 | stew | xored: is the version you want in sid? (packages.debian.org/umbrello) |
| 22:06.55 | lekvar | ? |
| 22:07.07 | xored | 1.4.3 |
| 22:07.08 | stew | xored: if it is, you can /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:07.08 | mhall | Fluten: hmm, tried VLC |
| 22:07.10 | Fluten | also, all my other dvds rip fine |
| 22:07.13 | lekvar | (yea i asked dpkg about it and tried all that stuff) |
| 22:07.22 | mhall | Fluten: VLC's decryption was written by DVD Jon himself |
| 22:07.30 | mhall | Fluten: so it usually works best |
| 22:07.50 | Fluten | annoying the way these bastards put encryption on the stuff i pay them a lot for, when it does completely nothing to counter piracy |
| 22:07.51 | stew | !info umbrello sid |
| 22:08.04 | dpkg | umbrello: (UML modelling tool and code generator), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1859 kB, Installed size: 5160 kB |
| 22:08.08 | stew | wierd, that's not even close to 1.4.3 |
| 22:08.24 | mhall | Fluten: go here for libdvdcss http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/i386/ |
| 22:08.30 | mhall | Fluten: and yes i agree it's bullshit |
| 22:08.39 | stew | mhall: why there instead of marillat? |
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| 22:08.58 | xored | stew: the 4.3.4 looks to be the one, how to load them now ? |
| 22:09.09 | stew | xored: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:09.10 | mhall | stew: well libdvdcss is written by videolan |
| 22:09.20 | mhall | stew: so i'd assume they are the authoritative source |
| 22:09.27 | mhall | stew: other than this no reason |
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| 22:09.39 | maq04 | oooooooooooopaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:09.41 | mhall | stew: if marillat works then more power to it |
| 22:09.50 | l3mr | i'm still trying my tvout on ati to work, but it's always b/w. same tv works fine with another computer with an nvidia card. i tried all pal modes, i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg xorg.conf as well as ati's fglrxconfig.. any ideas? |
| 22:09.58 | mhall | stew: i don't even know which copy's on my box and until now didn't know marillat had a rel |
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| 22:10.30 | stew | mhall: ahh, i didn't know this, and yes, from marillats pacakges, in the copyright, :It was downloaded from http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/ |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | Ungy: why ? |
| 22:10.51 | mhall | stew: yeah makes sense now |
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| 22:11.32 | lekvar | mhall: I haven't been able to get marillat to work on anything lately :) |
| 22:11.44 | Ungy | abrotman, oh hello I wanted to ask you something but I forgot now |
| 22:11.50 | maq04 | #chapeco |
| 22:11.50 | mhall | lekvar: funny i thought i got some stuff from it recently |
| 22:11.55 | mhall | lekvar: i guess maybe not |
| 22:11.56 | abrotman | Ungy: you forgot? .. about mysql or pgsql ? |
| 22:12.06 | mhall | lekvar: more and more of what i use is in base |
| 22:12.17 | lekvar | well i mean it responds but it won't install mplayer which is what most people seem to want from it at least initially |
| 22:12.19 | mhall | lekvar: i don't use mplayer really so if it was broken i wouldn't know |
| 22:12.24 | Ungy | abrotman, I don't remeber sorry |
| 22:12.32 | abrotman | Ungy: about your wife/laptop ? |
| 22:12.33 | mhall | lekvar: i just use some of their libs |
| 22:12.46 | mhall | lekvar: and cinelerra video editing ide |
| 22:12.47 | lekvar | i'm just trying to set up a gnomeless system so totem appears to be out |
| 22:12.55 | lekvar | (nodnod) |
| 22:12.57 | Fluten | mhall, what package do i install from there? just the libdvdcss2? |
| 22:13.02 | maq04 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck usa |
| 22:13.03 | Ungy | abrotman, nope I can't remember to save my life it wasn't important |
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| 22:13.08 | maq04 | fuck usa |
| 22:13.09 | maq04 | fuck usa |
| 22:13.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:13.09 | maq04 | fuck usa |
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| 22:13.10 | maq04 | fuck usa |
| 22:13.10 | maq04 | fuck usa |
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| 22:13.14 | mhall | Fluten: yeah you can get vlc from there too if you like |
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| 22:13.28 | mhall | Fluten: i think the same debs of vlc are put into normal debian though |
| 22:13.32 | Fluten | mhall, is vlc a ripping tool? |
| 22:13.33 | Ungy | man gotta love the trolls |
| 22:13.35 | mhall | Fluten: so i'm not sure there's any difference |
| 22:13.47 | mhall | Fluten: it's a movie watching tool but i think you can rip with it |
| 22:14.01 | SimonRaven | duh |
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| 22:14.11 | mhall | Fluten: also i think mplayer can use libdvdcss |
| 22:14.19 | resiak | Yes, yes it can. |
| 22:14.21 | mhall | Fluten: so just installing the latest version of it might fix mplayer |
| 22:14.33 | lekvar | etch/testing doesn't seem to be in the dists on videolan.org |
| 22:14.44 | mhall | lekvar: doesn't matter really |
| 22:14.49 | mhall | lekvar: vlc is mostly self contained |
| 22:14.58 | abrotman | lekvar: because it hasn't been released yet and is always changing |
| 22:14.59 | mhall | lekvar: i don't think it will even conflict with anything |
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| 22:15.04 | SimonRaven | i need more ram in this thing... |
| 22:15.31 | lekvar | so if i put a sid line in my apt/sources.list do i have to say anything special when i try and apt-get a package from there? |
| 22:16.00 | abrotman | lekvar: i might go the other way .. to sarge |
| 22:16.05 | SimonRaven | yeh. not do it unless you're comfortable helping out to fix packaging and other bugs |
| 22:16.07 | phaedrus_ | elllo |
| 22:16.07 | phaedrus_ | ello |
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| 22:16.13 | lekvar | okay i'll try that |
| 22:16.19 | phaedrus_ | anyone wanna help me clear this problem up? |
| 22:16.28 | SimonRaven | because it *will* break |
| 22:16.32 | phaedrus_ | in console i cant connect to x server |
| 22:16.36 | mhall | linux-gate.so.1 libhal.so.0 libdbus-1.so.0 librt.so.1 libpthread.so.0 libdl.so.2 libm.so.6 libdvbpsi.so.4 libtheora.so.0 libogg.so.0 libc.so.6 libpopt.so.0 libnsl.so.1 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 22:16.49 | mhall | As you see here, VLC doesn't depends on a whole hell of a lot of stuff. |
| 22:17.03 | lekvar | i'd be perfectly comfortable fixing packageing and bugs but lack the depth of knowledge to do so |
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| 22:17.11 | mhall | Mostly some core libs and ogg/theora. ogg/theora are pretty stable. |
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| 22:17.13 | Fluten | mhall, maybe its my dvd drive, since it always stops copying at the same part |
| 22:17.14 | abrotman | lekvar: try the stable ones .. see what happens |
| 22:17.33 | SimonRaven | !kill spam bots |
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| 22:17.38 | mhall | Fluten: clean the disc? |
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| 22:17.43 | sewi | how to update packages from security updates? I have insterted the security server in source.list, apt-get update, and then what? |
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| 22:17.54 | mhall | Fluten: dvds get dirty easier than cds cause density is higher |
| 22:17.56 | resiak | apt-get upgrade |
| 22:18.03 | lekvar | and the package itself is called, or has in its name, vlc, cuz i'm not seeing it (added "deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main) |
| 22:18.07 | Fluten | mhall, it never ripped on linux since i bought it new |
| 22:18.47 | mhall | lekvar: vlc vlc-plugin-alsa vlc-plugin-arts wxvlc |
| 22:18.50 | mhall | Fluten: ! |
| 22:18.54 | repp_ | sewi: apt-get upgrade |
| 22:19.19 | mhall | Fluten: dvd drive bios upgrade http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php |
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| 22:19.53 | Bonkers | I just installed debian on my laptop, used to have gentoo on there, and i carried over my home directory, but now fonts in the firefox and xemacs menus are larger, the title bar fonts (in wmaker) are all wrong and other wmaker text is wrong and terrible looking, where are all these set? I'm guessing a central area |
| 22:20.02 | Fluten | mhall, it plays 18 of my other dvds fine |
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| 22:20.09 | mhall | Fluten: hmm |
| 22:20.12 | mhall | Fluten: weird |
| 22:20.17 | sewi | resiak: repp_ : thanks, I've typed this and I have 138 packages to update, is it ok? I'm on Sarge. |
| 22:20.23 | soymilk | Bonkers: it could be that X is running at a different DPI setting |
| 22:20.23 | mhall | Fluten: check if dma mode's enabled with hdparm maybe |
| 22:20.33 | resiak | sewi: When did you last update it? |
| 22:20.33 | dondelelcaro | Bonkers: depends; you can change many of theem in Xresoures; others in your WM's settings. |
| 22:20.34 | Bonkers | soymilk: sounds likely, I'll try that first |
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| 22:20.43 | soymilk | Bonkers: or is it only limited to those 2 apps? |
| 22:20.44 | mhall | Bonkers: the dotfiles too |
| 22:20.47 | sewi | resiak: never |
| 22:20.50 | Fluten | mhall, it's as scsi emulation |
| 22:20.54 | resiak | sewi: sure, then |
| 22:20.58 | mhall | Fluten: what kernel revision are you using |
| 22:21.08 | Fluten | 2.4.27 |
| 22:21.13 | Bonkers | soymilk: lots of stuff looks the same, possibly gtk stuff looks different |
| 22:21.22 | Bonkers | but like the wmaker title bars look terrible |
| 22:21.26 | soymilk | Bonkers: then its probably not the DPI then |
| 22:21.28 | Bonkers | mhall: ya, I got everything |
| 22:21.28 | mhall | Fluten: ok if you can venture it please consider trying 2.6.14 with no scsi emulation |
| 22:21.43 | mhall | Fluten: because they did a lot of improvements to the IDE CD / DVD code |
| 22:21.48 | soymilk | Bonkers: well maybe.. |
| 22:21.50 | mhall | Fluten: and i have much better luck in general |
| 22:22.01 | mhall | Fluten: another thing to try |
| 22:22.02 | Bonkers | soymilk: where's the correct place to change dpi in debian? |
| 22:22.10 | Fluten | mhall, i dont think thats it, since the drive spins up very fast and makes lots of noise when trying to read it |
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| 22:22.14 | soymilk | Bonkers: depends are you using gdm? |
| 22:22.18 | Bonkers | nope |
| 22:22.18 | Fluten | mhall, so ill just try it again on linux when i get a dvd burner drive |
| 22:22.22 | Bonkers | just startx |
| 22:23.00 | plotest | I have my modem working but I can not connect using Tone. How can I permanently set it to Pulse? |
| 22:23.22 | mhall | Fluten: one sec |
| 22:23.26 | mhall | Fluten: i have another test |
| 22:23.32 | SimonRaven | should be a switch on it... |
| 22:23.33 | sewi | resiak: Is there a webpage, which packages are updated from the security reasons? |
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| 22:24.08 | soymilk | Bonkers: its usually appended as a switch to the /usr/X11R6/bin/X somewhere the startx script must invoke that... |
| 22:24.29 | soymilk | Bonkers: what does xdpyinfo list the DPI as ? |
| 22:24.33 | Fluten | mhall, when i talk about it ripping fine on windows xp, i am talking about ripping it in a seperate machine, with a different dvd-rom drive |
| 22:24.43 | mhall | Fluten: ok here we go |
| 22:24.45 | Fluten | mhall, not dual booting into windows, just to let you know |
| 22:24.46 | resiak | !tell sewi -about dsa |
| 22:25.04 | Bonkers | 100 |
| 22:25.06 | Bonkers | probably the same |
| 22:25.10 | Bonkers | looks like I'm missing some non-free fonts |
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| 22:25.39 | soymilk | Bonkers: that would throw it off. if the specified font doesn't exist, many apps revert to really ugly ones |
| 22:25.57 | sewi | resiak: thanks a lot |
| 22:26.04 | resiak | sewi: No problem. |
| 22:26.28 | Bonkers | is non-free software differetn from non-US? I'm guessing yes, so where do I get the non-free stuff? |
| 22:26.42 | resiak | !non-free |
| 22:26.42 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 22:26.44 | mhall | Fluten: cdrdao read-cd --device ATAPI:0,0,0 output.toc |
| 22:26.55 | soymilk | Bonkers: non-US is no longer used. non-free means non-free. add it to sources.list |
| 22:26.59 | mhall | Fluten: see if the drive chokes when doing a completely raw bit read from the disc |
| 22:27.15 | mhall | Fluten: also use cdrdao scanbus to get proper device ID |
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| 22:27.21 | lekvar | Ahh. The docs on videolan.org say to use their sid for etch, and it shows the players then. |
| 22:27.29 | mhall | Fluten: you will need to use the scsi stuff |
| 22:27.35 | mhall | lekvar: yeah sounds about right |
| 22:27.40 | watchdog19 | Hello all! |
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| 22:28.04 | lekvar | 'course it depends on things it can't find now so i guess i need the regular deb sources for sid |
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| 22:28.27 | roler | i have a pentium 4 3.0G HT laptop. I am running 2.6.14 kernel and looking at the CPU Freq Scaling option in the kernel. Is there a program to control this based on computer load and if so is it beneficial on my laptop? |
| 22:28.29 | watchdog19 | I'd like to cross-compile some stuff for a PowerPC. Development platform is a classical Debian (testing) on an x86 arch. |
| 22:29.06 | watchdog19 | Do you have any idea of what I could use, since Montavista's Journeyman is no longer freely available ? |
| 22:29.07 | eeyore- | roler: "powersaved" |
| 22:29.31 | eeyore- | roler: if you don't want to run any other daemon, try using "ondemand" scaling governor |
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| 22:29.49 | sewi | resiak: on this list of security updates i have xserver-* packages, can I make upgrade from xterm or it's better to swich to console? |
| 22:29.55 | roler | eeyore-, ; does powersaved have a .deb? |
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| 22:30.07 | eeyore- | roler: echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 22:30.12 | Fluten | mhall, it wont read it, i also just remembered getting problems when trying to rip normal cd audio images, so it must be the drive |
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| 22:30.46 | roler | eeyore-, ; is that done by the kernel then? |
| 22:30.50 | eeyore- | roler: yes |
| 22:30.55 | SimonRaven | watchdog19: get yourself a cross-compiling toolchain (i.e., gcc, binutils, etc.). google it, there's probably one built for debian already |
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| 22:31.05 | Fluten | mhall, thankyou anyways for your help |
| 22:31.05 | eeyore- | roler: my laptop keeps going between 600MHz and 1.6Ghz (P-M) |
| 22:31.18 | watchdog19 | SimonRaven, Thx... |
| 22:31.28 | eeyore- | roler: that is, depending on what it's doing :-> |
| 22:31.31 | posjti | If i want to know inotify version, what do i do? |
| 22:31.36 | roler | eeyore-, ; wow! I think that's what I need for my laptop. Will it cool the cpu a bit when it's running slower? |
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| 22:31.46 | SimonRaven | read the source, posjti |
| 22:32.32 | eeyore- | roler: i would suppose so ... slower clock = less power consumption = less heat dissipation |
| 22:32.52 | elephantMan | Ok i know the command but what are the key steps to make a debian folder mountable by a client using nfs ? |
| 22:32.54 | roler | eeyore-, ; this is exciting. re-compiling now :) |
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| 22:33.02 | eeyore- | roler: can't tell from the top because my palm is resting above the hard drive (hate those designs) |
| 22:33.10 | elephantMan | Is there a preparatory works to do on my debian boc |
| 22:33.13 | elephantMan | Is there a preparatory works to do on my debian box |
| 22:33.14 | streuner | elephantMan: man exports |
| 22:33.22 | SimonRaven | a 'debian folder'? wtf is that? |
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| 22:33.34 | eeyore- | roler: but air out the back does get less warm, and the fan is auto-on when it's too hot, so yeah, i'd say it cools down :-) |
| 22:33.47 | soymilk | elephantMan: man exports |
| 22:33.54 | streuner | elephantMan: you want to make those changes at the server-side... |
| 22:34.07 | roler | eeyore-, ; what do you use to see how fast the cpu is running? |
| 22:34.15 | elephantMan | Well i have no 'exports' command then no 'man' |
| 22:34.26 | eeyore- | interesting ... i have this debian machine that hasn't been updated in two years or longer (netpliance, sid) and it's still chugging along on today's dselect-update :-> |
| 22:34.38 | eeyore- | roler: gnome has this cpu frequency monitoring panel widget |
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| 22:34.53 | streuner | elephantMan: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 22:34.54 | elephantMan | What package i am missing ? |
| 22:35.01 | elephantMan | streuner, ok great |
| 22:35.10 | roler | eeyore-, ;eep!!! |
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| 22:35.14 | roler | eeyore-, ; it's there. this is so rad |
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| 22:35.46 | roler | eeyore-, ; my laptop is 3.0gig/17" widescreen. It'd be so nice if I could get more than 45mins battery life out of it. I barely use 5% cpu anyways. |
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| 22:35.49 | zenwryly | I need to transfer several several hundred GB and many thousands of files over Gb ethernet. It seems like SSH or SCP or SFTP are pretty slow especially for lots of file. The network can be trusted. What the best method to do this? |
| 22:36.14 | soymilk | roler: its your display that is killing the battery... |
| 22:36.17 | eeyore- | roler: anything besides P-M is going to suck battery :-) |
| 22:36.28 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: probably ftp then; nfs may be an even better choice, though. |
| 22:36.30 | resiak | sewi: Run it from a console or from screen(1) if you're not feeling brave |
| 22:36.31 | roler | soymilk, ;; ya... hehe :). I suppose it is |
| 22:36.33 | eeyore- | roler: can you switch the backlight off? :-) dream on |
| 22:36.34 | sinned | zenwryly rsync? |
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| 22:36.53 | roler | eeyore-, ; maybe If I get a flood light to see the pixels :P |
| 22:36.59 | Maneit | How does dpi work? Less dpi = more space, or vica versa? |
| 22:37.02 | eeyore- | soymilk: don't forget the P-4 |
| 22:37.13 | zenwryly | sinned, dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:37.30 | zinx | Maneit: neither |
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| 22:37.40 | eeyore- | roler: i normally turn brightness/contrast down when i'm on battery |
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| 22:37.43 | zinx | Maneit: dpi is dots per inch. the less dots you have per inch, the bigger the dots are. |
| 22:37.52 | Maneit | zinx: ah |
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| 22:37.58 | rudenstam | hi.. I just added a highpoint card and a disk to my system, I updated my kernel to 2.4.32 but when I reboot on new kernel it freezez here: http://invalidos-mc.com/tmp/picture_36.jpg ... anyone got any tips ? |
| 22:37.59 | soymilk | Maneit: i think higher dpi makes things a bit larger on screen |
| 22:38.16 | Maneit | Okay. I've got a laptop. What's the recommended dpi? |
| 22:38.19 | eeyore- | roler: you might want to try the BatteryLife rejuvenator! (just kidding!) |
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| 22:38.44 | roler | lol |
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| 22:39.06 | eeyore- | Maneit: just go by the total number of pixels already :-) |
| 22:39.17 | Maneit | eeyore-: hehe, okay |
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| 22:39.43 | daxxar | Hm. |
| 22:39.48 | eeyore- | Maneit: because speaking in terms of "dpi" is a bit vague (when it comes to actually rendering stuff on the screen). If you have "smart" packages they'll try to use more dots to render things, keeping output visually consistent |
| 22:39.51 | JulioH11 | hi |
| 22:39.52 | daxxar | ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established - is that for inactive connections, or all kinds? |
| 22:39.55 | edunsilva_am | hi |
| 22:40.01 | daxxar | I.e. will it time out an established connection if it has data? |
| 22:40.11 | edunsilva_am | alguem fala portugues? |
| 22:40.12 | daxxar | net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established =) |
| 22:40.13 | eeyore- | Maneit: but, there's no getting around absolute number of pixels on the screen ... |
| 22:40.24 | Maneit | eeyore-: i see :) |
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| 22:40.39 | edunsilva_am | somebody speek portuguese? |
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| 22:40.52 | soymilk | edunsilva_am: #debian-br |
| 22:40.55 | mebsd | HI ALö ?¿? |
| 22:41.03 | mebsd | wHAT you GUys uP |
| 22:41.03 | mebsd | to |
| 22:41.08 | roler | wooooo |
| 22:41.09 | roler | rebooting |
| 22:41.10 | elephantMan | How can i get a user 'uid & guid' ? |
| 22:41.10 | roler | thanks |
| 22:41.11 | mebsd | .:> WhAT yOU GuYS up tO <:. |
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| 22:41.38 | eeyore- | Maneit: in other words, dpi is meaningless without the "i" multiplication. you can have a very very high dpi medium, but if it's only 1 inch ... who cares? :-) |
| 22:41.39 | dondelelcaro | mebsd: lose the l33t speak, and/or ask a Debian related question... |
| 22:41.42 | stew | mebsd: do you have a debian related question? if so ask it without being goofy with your shift key |
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| 22:41.54 | mebsd | yes i have a big dbaien qstuoien |
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| 22:42.04 | Maneit | eeyore-: right :p |
| 22:42.04 | eeyore- | mebsd: which is? |
| 22:42.05 | soymilk | elephantMan: you have to file a petition with the Internation UID/GID registry and wait for 30 days for approval... |
| 22:42.22 | mebsd | HOW TO UNINSTALL DEBIAN |
| 22:42.35 | dondelelcaro | mebsd: install whatever you want right on top. |
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| 22:42.39 | eeyore- | mebsd: why don't you just format the partition? |
| 22:42.47 | sewi | resiak: I'm just wondering if I should do this security upgrade at all since I'm using debian as my desktop and I'm the only user. I have slow connection and this could last several hours to download 138 packages... Is it really important in my case? |
| 22:42.48 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: heh heh |
| 22:43.13 | Arafangion | What is wrong here? |
| 22:43.13 | bonz | eeyore-: cause it was trolling :) |
| 22:43.23 | Arafangion | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zCzidv57.html |
| 22:43.37 | eeyore- | mebsd: have you looked in "Start" menu, "Control Panel", "Add or Remove Applications", and uninstall it from there? |
| 22:43.47 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:43.57 | stew | Maneit: what is the resolution and size of your screen? |
| 22:44.08 | Arafangion | I am attempting to gracefully downgrade from sid to sarge, as packages eventually become newer than currently installed sid (While still being able to explicitly install sid packages) |
| 22:44.24 | Maneit | stew: 15" at 1400x1050 (laptop) |
| 22:44.26 | Arafangion | However, when I do "apt-get upgrade", it installs a TON of packages from sid, despite the preferences. |
| 22:44.29 | elephantMan | soymilk, :\ |
| 22:44.35 | bonz | how do you set aptitude too take yes as the required response after giving it a -dy flag for it too download overnight? |
| 22:44.41 | stew | dpkg: 1400 / (15 / 1.25) |
| 22:44.41 | dpkg | 116.666666666667 |
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| 22:44.53 | stew | Maneit: ^^^ that is your aproxx dpi |
| 22:44.58 | soymilk | lol |
| 22:45.01 | elephantMan | mebsd, shoot the partition |
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| 22:45.07 | Maneit | stew: Okay. It uses 100x100 now |
| 22:45.13 | stew | Maneit: close enough |
| 22:45.26 | soymilk | elephantMan: what do you mean "get" one? |
| 22:45.31 | eeyore- | stew: 1.25? |
| 22:45.40 | Arafangion | How do I prevent new Sid packages from being installed? |
| 22:45.41 | SimonRaven | mebsd: pull the HDD out, and take a sledgehammer to it |
| 22:45.52 | resiak | sewi: It is important ... can you not leave it running overnight? |
| 22:45.52 | soymilk | elephantMan: "get" can mean "find out" or else mean "to assign" |
| 22:46.03 | edunsilva_am | i m form Brazil |
| 22:46.09 | bbrazil | !br |
| 22:46.09 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:46.14 | stew | eeyore-: it might not be exact, i was figuring that its a 4:3 screen and the 15 was measured on the diagonal so its 5:4 (3,4,5 triangle) |
| 22:46.16 | Arafangion | Hello? |
| 22:46.17 | eeyore- | Maneit: keep it 100x100 :-) makes bitmapped font happier |
| 22:46.24 | landonf | whoa. |
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| 22:46.33 | Maneit | eeyore-: I will :) |
| 22:46.43 | landonf | eeyore-: (GrndZero) |
| 22:46.53 | eeyore- | landonf: long time no see |
| 22:46.57 | landonf | Yes :) |
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| 22:47.02 | Arafangion | Hello? |
| 22:47.07 | eeyore- | landonf: are you the guy i mailed that motherboard to waaaaaay back when? |
| 22:47.22 | roler | eeyore-, ; wooo |
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| 22:47.45 | Arafangion | Hello? |
| 22:47.49 | roler | eeyore-; 3ghz to 375mhz baby... |
| 22:47.56 | sewi | Anybody has experienced a strange behaviour of Acroread 7.0 in KDE, namely if I want to display a pdf file in fullscreen, acroread actually displays the pdf file as in fullscreen but not extend over the whole screen? |
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| 22:48.03 | eeyore- | roler: 375MHz, that's pretty slow ... neat |
| 22:48.07 | landonf | eeyore-: Yes :) I was ~13. It helped kick off my entire career. |
| 22:48.14 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: sid -> stable is a hard long and patience-demanding process. you might as well backups your data and reinstall |
| 22:48.24 | SimonRaven | backup* |
| 22:48.26 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, I know. |
| 22:48.27 | eeyore- | landonf: how long has it been? seven years? :-) |
| 22:48.31 | elephantMan | soymilk, i mean 'retrieve' uid of user 'john' => like 'getuid john' |
| 22:48.41 | eeyore- | landonf: whatcha doing now? |
| 22:48.43 | roler | eeyore-, ; its funny. when I do a ps aux it's not so neat. When it goes to scroll up, it pauses,. one line, online. then my gnome applet says 3ghz, and then BAM the rest of the screen pops up |
| 22:48.51 | SimonRaven | getent passwd john |
| 22:48.52 | elephantMan | There seem to be a 'getuid' command but i can't find it |
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| 22:49.03 | SimonRaven | elephantMan: ^^^ |
| 22:49.05 | roler | eeyore-, ; but i'm hoping to save life on this laptop/heat/battey life too... so I don't care |
| 22:49.08 | SimonRaven | man getent |
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| 22:49.21 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, I'm using pinning and all that, and I'm not exactly a newbie either, just confused with apt_preferences, and need some assistance. |
| 22:49.32 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, And I can't turn the server off. |
| 22:49.33 | eeyore- | roler: the kernel takes a load sample at such-and-such interval, before it would step up |
| 22:49.35 | landonf | eeyore-: ~10, I think. I work for a small game company in San Francisco. In the meantime, worked for Apple, Go2Net, and RealNetworks. |
| 22:49.48 | eeyore- | landonf: good for you :-) |
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| 22:49.55 | roler | eeyore-, ; ya. this is great. thanks a lot |
| 22:50.01 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, So, I've resigned to maintaining a mixed system, but it will eventually become stable, say, over the year. |
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| 22:50.15 | eeyore- | roler: the doc for "ondemand" governor (source code) might tell you how to change it, if at all possible |
| 22:50.15 | elephantMan | SimonRaven, 'getuid' doesn't exist anymore ? |
| 22:50.50 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: you want that sarge at 1000 or more |
| 22:51.04 | landonf | eeyore-: Thanks. It's nice to see you, you were a very helpful person to have around back then. |
| 22:51.05 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, I don't want to force packages to downgrade. |
| 22:51.09 | bonz | Arafangion: mixed? |
| 22:51.11 | landonf | eeyore-: Very kind :) |
| 22:51.16 | roler | eeyore-, ; I think this works better than a windows/toshiba battery life utility could. |
| 22:51.24 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, Just have stable replace them whenever stable gains a version higher than one that's currently installed. |
| 22:51.27 | eeyore- | landonf: heh :-) so, are you married now? i have two kids now |
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| 22:51.46 | Arafangion | bonz, Yes. |
| 22:52.13 | bonz | Arafangion: why not just go all the way :) |
| 22:52.37 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: you like pain? :) |
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| 22:52.49 | eeyore- | roler: i like having the kernel do it better than have userspace app do it. personal preference. anyhow, what's your CPU HZ setting? i also prefer 100 to 1000 (too many interrupts then) |
| 22:52.52 | sewi | http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acroread16fh.png and this is how it look like with the acroread 7.0 |
| 22:53.04 | Arafangion | Ok, I'll put sarge to 1000 |
| 22:53.08 | landonf | eeyore-: I have a girlfriend of 2+ years I'm living with. Maybe get married soon :) |
| 22:53.12 | landonf | eeyore-: Congratulations on the kids |
| 22:53.17 | roler | eeyore-, ; I believe I left that one alone at 250 |
| 22:53.34 | Arafangion | And I'll put a heck alot of pins on postfix, samba, and others. |
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| 22:53.47 | Arafangion | As well as libc6 |
| 22:53.52 | SimonRaven | and use hold like it was going out of style |
| 22:53.59 | mrstocks | blemin hell, my network is working.... |
| 22:53.59 | bonz | hmm a 2+ year old girlfreind ey? cradle snatcher?? |
| 22:54.02 | eeyore- | landonf: :-) yeah. the kids. oy. one is "turbo monkey" and the other one is "squid monkey". the other night we went out to shopping center and he grabbed a pair of jeans on the way out ($85.00). we didn't see it until a block or so later. went back to return them :-) |
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| 22:54.49 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: young kleptos in training... |
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| 22:55.02 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: yeah, squidmonkey he is ... |
| 22:55.08 | soymilk | elephantMan: id <user> |
| 22:55.14 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: everything just sticks to his grubby little fingers |
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| 22:55.48 | dondelelcaro | heh. cephelopod-monkey |
| 22:55.56 | SimonRaven | id user only works for root. unless they changedit. (which is why i suggested getent) |
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| 22:56.18 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: nah, it should work for any user. |
| 22:56.25 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: it just calls getent itself. |
| 22:56.31 | soymilk | SimonRaven: i just ran it as non-root and it worked |
| 22:56.46 | SimonRaven | ok. |
| 22:57.00 | ircword | trouble with ri1.8 dependency in Sarge: ri1.8: Depends: rdoc1.8 (= 1.8.2-7) but 1.8.2-7sarge2 is to be installed |
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| 22:57.29 | Arafangion | *sigh*, you know you're a geek when you _notice_ that you have 256 packages not upgraded. |
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| 22:58.16 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, It's still only downloading packages from sid. |
| 22:58.19 | roler | toodles |
| 22:58.46 | SimonRaven | version... |
| 22:58.56 | magik | Do you know ewrybody : Exist driver in linksys wireless-G usb Network Adapter |
| 22:58.56 | magik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:58.59 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, It is currently sid. |
| 22:59.16 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, 3.0, actually |
| 22:59.41 | SimonRaven | no, i mean because it was designed for upgrading, it'll do what it can to do just that |
| 23:00.00 | eeyore- | magik: if you get wireless-g usb *anything* adaptor to work, let me know :-) |
| 23:00.07 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, Yes, but I've specified a negative number for sid, and a 1001 number for sarge. |
| 23:00.26 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, That, to me, states that apt should NOT download new packages from sid. |
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| 23:00.36 | SimonRaven | pinning is an art form |
| 23:00.49 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, Heck, even if I just kept sarge at 700, and sid negative, it _still_ should not download new packages from sid. |
| 23:00.51 | dondelelcaro | ircword: yeah, that'll probably get fixed in a further security update. |
| 23:01.11 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, I'm aware, yes, however I'm expecting conflicts rather than just blind downloading from sid. |
| 23:01.14 | SimonRaven | theory and practice... |
| 23:01.20 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, Not good enough. |
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| 23:02.07 | messia | buona notte a tutti! |
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| 23:02.27 | ircword | dondelelcaro: so meantime, can i force it? |
| 23:02.31 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 23:02.32 | dondelelcaro | ircword: actually, you shouldn't even be seeing that; ri1.8 is part of ruby1.8, which was all upgraded in DSA 860-1 |
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| 23:02.47 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, I'm almost at the point where I'm doubting that it's even looking at /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 23:03.10 | magik | Do you heve Debian 3.1 anything? |
| 23:03.19 | djMax | anybody know why a samba "automatic PAM auth" would fail, but typing in username/pwd manually works fine? |
| 23:03.23 | Arafangion | magik, It's possible, yes. |
| 23:03.29 | dondelelcaro | ircword: that sure sounds like you either didn't install all of the security updates, or you don't have security.debian.org in your sources.list |
| 23:03.41 | magik | please help my! |
| 23:03.44 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: oh it does, but the behaviour is weird. IMO, it's a bug |
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| 23:03.57 | chromate | hello. i was wondering if there was a way to choose/change the default font file chosen for foreign languages? |
| 23:04.03 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: what exactly is the output of apt-cache policy? |
| 23:04.08 | Arafangion | SimonRaven, The behaviour is weird, but it's exhausively documented. |
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| 23:04.27 | magik | Arafanginon, do you see dirver in linksys wireless-G usb Network Adapter |
| 23:04.27 | magik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:04.38 | SimonRaven | yeh, i know |
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| 23:04.49 | Arafangion | dondek, Ok, that appears to confirm that it is indeed NOT reading preferences |
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| 23:05.02 | soymilk | chromate: each app determines its own font(s) |
| 23:05.05 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: which preferences file are we talking about here? |
| 23:05.13 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, /etc/apt/preferences |
| 23:05.19 | chromate | soymilk: is there no gnome or kde system wide preference? |
| 23:05.29 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.30 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: and what are the contents of /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 23:05.58 | soymilk | chromate: there is a system-wide locale setting, but that does not change the fonts |
| 23:06.00 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: and what's the output of apt-cache policy? |
| 23:06.37 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: assuming of course, that you have a stable, unstable, and testing source and have run apt-get update; already. |
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| 23:06.54 | chromate | soymilk: i'm looking for a way to change the default font. just like you can change default english font from Sans to bitstream vera sans, i want to be able to have a separate font for a different language |
| 23:07.15 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Yes, although I'm using toystory names, so I've specified sources for sarge, etch, and sid. |
| 23:07.20 | soymilk | chromate: that would be app-dependent |
| 23:07.30 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: ok; what's the output? |
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| 23:07.35 | Arafangion | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/vzKLFT28.html |
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| 23:07.46 | ircword | dondelelcaro: doh! you're right. i'm running x86_64 and I commented out security in sources.list cuz i was having some weird problem. seems to work fine now tho- problem solved. Thanks! |
| 23:07.46 | chromate | soymilk: hmm, i see. well i'm specifically looking for how to do this in firefox i suppose. do you know if its possible? |
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| 23:08.03 | psychonate | I had to comment something out in a file, and the only way to do it was to use /* . I have never seen that before |
| 23:08.22 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: notice the difference between a=etch and a=testing? ;-) |
| 23:08.24 | SimonRaven | C comments; /* */ |
| 23:08.26 | soymilk | chromate: browser display fonts have nothing to do with application fonts nor system fonts |
| 23:08.44 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: when using pinning, the names you use have to match the Release file. |
| 23:08.56 | SimonRaven | oh |
| 23:09.07 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Damn. |
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| 23:09.26 | chromate | soymilk: you're right, i forgot firefox had its own configuration for preferred font. nevertheless, do you know if it is possible to configure it to be language-specific? |
| 23:09.36 | psychonate | SimAtWrk, oh, I guess that would be why. I don't know C :( |
| 23:09.37 | magik | Is this polish chat? |
| 23:09.42 | dondelelcaro | magik: no |
| 23:09.47 | psychonate | SimAtWrk, on the plus side, I did get the app compiled |
| 23:09.52 | magik | why? |
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| 23:09.56 | dondelelcaro | magik: try #debian.pl |
| 23:10.00 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Damn, that was the problem. |
| 23:10.06 | magik | ok thanks :-) |
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| 23:10.44 | psychonate | I know Xv is non-free, but I like it |
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| 23:11.01 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: ah, good... glad at least that it was relatively straightforward. |
| 23:11.05 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Thanks heaps. :) |
| 23:11.05 | soymilk | chromate: you could launch it with "LANG=en_US mozilla" and it will be in english... |
| 23:11.29 | soymilk | chromate: provided you've generated that locale |
| 23:11.30 | chromate | soymilk: i don't mean menu fonts, i meant display fonts for webpages with differentt language encodings |
| 23:11.31 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Well, at least it's easier than debugging cyrus issues. |
| 23:11.42 | SimonRaven | "The general form assigns a priority to all of the package versions in a given distribution (that is, to all the versions of packages that are listed in a certain Release file) or to all of the package versions coming from a..." |
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| 23:12.01 | magik | Is this polish chat? |
| 23:12.09 | SimonRaven | same for other forms |
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| 23:12.22 | LostNoobs | I want to use procmail with cyrus but when it delivred the mail it say : procmail: Executing "/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver,-a,mlopez,-q,-m,user.mlopez" user.mlopez: Message contains invalid header and when i do on shell : /usr/sbin/cyrdeliver -a mlopez -q -m user.mlopez < with same message it works good |
| 23:12.36 | dondelelcaro | magik: again, no it's not. #debian.pl or some other channels may have people who speak polish. |
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| 23:13.31 | magik | dondelcaro thanks , but im simple user and I first in irc :-) sorry |
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| 23:14.05 | stew | magik: type "/part" then type "/join #debian.pl" |
| 23:14.12 | Luka666 | ellow |
| 23:14.31 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, A point that helps me is that the last update this server has done while unstable was before sarge became stable. |
| 23:15.06 | Luka666 | can anyone tell me what could be causing the same mount error even though i tried multiple cdroms and cd`s? |
| 23:15.54 | stew | Luka666: not unless you tell us the error |
| 23:16.13 | Luka666 | its a bit hard getting the specific error to this computer |
| 23:16.19 | Luka666 | but i remember one line |
| 23:16.23 | ac3 | how can force pam_ldap retry connecting to ldap? |
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| 23:16.45 | Luka666 | mount: bad superblock, bad file type, bad somethingelse |
| 23:16.47 | Luka666 | :/ |
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| 23:16.49 | mike_ | i've got a problem with my sarge install. originally (with the 2.4 kernel, i think) i could use my ipod, and im pretty sure i could with one of the early 2.6's too, but with 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 my whole system locks up the second the ipod is plugged in, no keyboard, no mouse, nothing. is there something i need to compile in? any idea what's up? |
| 23:16.53 | ac3 | it seems to retry automatically after a certain time |
| 23:16.56 | SimonRaven | it should by all itself |
| 23:17.02 | Arafangion | Luka666, What format are you mounting as? |
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| 23:17.03 | Luka666 | and i think its error 0x56 |
| 23:17.10 | dli | reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for kdanc.com failed |
| 23:17.12 | Luka666 | Arafangion ISO i think |
| 23:17.12 | Arafangion | Luka666, And what format is the floppy using? |
| 23:17.14 | magik | dondelelcaro this char in polish debian is claen! What hapend? |
| 23:17.17 | Luka666 | Arafangion cd ;> |
| 23:17.19 | dli | how to disable this kind of attack in ssh? |
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| 23:17.32 | Arafangion | Luka666, Which ISO? |
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| 23:17.41 | elephantMan | I can't mount this nfs partition - it says ' mount: mac:/Users/admin/: can't read superblock' |
| 23:17.57 | xl0 | from which package /bin comes? |
| 23:17.59 | Luka666 | Arafangion i dont know, the standard one (ISO 9660 i think) |
| 23:18.01 | elephantMan | Any ideas you geniouses |
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| 23:18.15 | Arafangion | Luka666, Then mount it using that. |
| 23:18.21 | Arafangion | Luka666, -t iso9660 |
| 23:18.29 | ac3 | connecting with ldapsearch works just fine |
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| 23:18.45 | Luka666 | Arafangion its allready in fstab like that? ;> |
| 23:18.59 | Arafangion | Luka666, If you have the correct version, it is possible that you do not have the neccessary kernel modules loaded. |
| 23:19.16 | SimonRaven | ac3: it should all by itself |
| 23:19.38 | magik | they in polen? |
| 23:19.39 | ac3 | hmm i cannot get it to work:( |
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| 23:19.55 | Luka666 | Arafangion: its a basic debian netinstall with windowmaker, some games and a music cd player :> |
| 23:19.58 | magik | poles pleas help |
| 23:19.59 | ac3 | how can i debug the connection? there is not much in the logs |
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| 23:20.10 | toresbe | elephantMan: Learn to spell "geniuses"? :) |
| 23:20.31 | Arafangion | toresbe, Real geniuses are too vague to spell that. |
| 23:20.37 | magik | magik is wrong ... is polish man and his chat is void |
| 23:20.54 | ac3 | SimonRaven: it is not possible to force it? so i don´have to wait? |
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| 23:20.59 | toresbe | Arafangion: ahaa... :) |
| 23:20.59 | Luka666 | ok next question |
| 23:21.02 | Luka666 | while booting |
| 23:21.07 | Guerin | !enter |
| 23:21.08 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:21.08 | magik | empty! |
| 23:21.16 | Roadrunne | Hi, if I add printk to a kernel source file, where can I find the output? |
| 23:21.25 | Arafangion | magik, You could try your luck in #debian.po or something, but I suspect you may have better luck here, despite your control of engligh. |
| 23:21.25 | paulswm | Woohoo, good moening Guerin! |
| 23:21.28 | Luka666 | it tries to modprobe psmouse, but it doesnt succed. what can i do? |
| 23:21.28 | Arafangion | *english |
| 23:21.40 | Guerin | top o' the morning |
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| 23:21.49 | SimonRaven | ac3: -d -1 - run it from term. what's the problem exactly, you haven't mentioned it |
| 23:22.00 | Guerin | Arafangion: .pl |
| 23:22.08 | XS4-6096 | what this mean?? dmesg :KMF: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0c:41:ed:62:00:08:00 SRC=192.168.1.101 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=3394 PROTO=UDP SPT=137DPT=137 LEN=58 |
| 23:22.17 | SimonRaven | something |
| 23:22.24 | Guerin | XS4-6096: it'd an iptables log |
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| 23:22.51 | denomadic | Hello all, just got one simple question (aren't they all ;-): If I'm changing sarge kernels from 2.4.x to 2.6.x can I start off by simpley installing module-init-tools? i.e., can I run module-init-tools in some backwards compatible mode with a 2.4.x kernel while I get every thing else ready? |
| 23:22.53 | Arafangion | magik, Try #debian.pl, then. |
| 23:23.01 | magik | arafangion can i asy you? |
| 23:23.09 | stew | XS4-6096: 192.168.1.101 is a windows machine trying to discover other windows machines iirc |
| 23:23.17 | Arafangion | magik, I don't know polish, so might as well keep it in the channel. |
| 23:23.19 | magik | debian.pl is empty |
| 23:23.30 | magik | i speak english |
| 23:23.40 | magik | can I? |
| 23:23.45 | Arafangion | magik, If you're lucky, you could just ask in polish here, but it looks like you have a sufficient grasp of english to just stay here and talk in english. |
| 23:24.03 | stew | no don't speak polish in here, english only |
| 23:24.08 | dli | I got this 220.193.98.15 keeps trying my ssh passwd |
| 23:24.15 | Arafangion | magik, Non-english responses, however, are quite rare... Oh, ok. No polish, then. |
| 23:24.16 | stew | magik: if you have a debian related question, ask it in english already |
| 23:24.23 | Ronin | dli: welcome to teh internet :) |
| 23:24.25 | Luka666 | :> |
| 23:24.29 | SimonRaven | dli: it's a fricking worm |
| 23:24.32 | magik | do you have driver in linksys wireless-G usb Network Adapter |
| 23:24.32 | magik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.36 | eheil | Whee is the IP address located? yeah, I get the same thing ehre on a lot of my boxes. |
| 23:24.39 | magik | please ask my! |
| 23:24.50 | dli | Ronin, SimonRaven, is there anything I should do? |
| 23:24.52 | magik | answer my arafa... |
| 23:24.54 | zinx | dli: close the port if you don't like it. |
| 23:24.54 | eheil | A lot of them resolve to address located in Russia and other places like that. |
| 23:24.57 | dondelelcaro | dli: use fail2ban |
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| 23:24.58 | pure2 | dli panic |
| 23:25.00 | Ronin | patience magik |
| 23:25.03 | Luka666 | dli: in the last month i sent out about 50 abuse mails. you know how many were succesfull? 3 :> |
| 23:25.03 | Ronin | dli: dont panic |
| 23:25.05 | stew | magik: you need to know what kind of chipset it uses |
| 23:25.09 | dondelelcaro | !info fail2ban |
| 23:25.11 | dippo | anyone know of a third-party installer for Sarge designed for dell servers? |
| 23:25.12 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 23:25.12 | Ronin | Luka666: waste of typing time |
| 23:25.18 | dippo | similar to http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers would be nice, except that uses Woody |
| 23:25.29 | XS4-6096 | stew thx man |
| 23:25.43 | SimonRaven | dli: what zinx said. - if you need ssh, then allow only certain IPs to connect |
| 23:25.44 | dondelelcaro | dippo: just use the etch netinst to install sarge. |
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| 23:25.48 | Luka666 | Ronin i allready have a template, i just copy the email addresses and logs :> |
| 23:25.50 | magik | stew what? i don't understand you. Plese again ask simple |
| 23:25.55 | Arafangion | dippo, Why do you want a third-party installer? |
| 23:25.57 | dippo | hm |
| 23:26.01 | pure2 | you could run ssh on another port |
| 23:26.09 | dippo | Arafangion: because the sarge netinst doesn't support the SATA controller in a dell SC430 |
| 23:26.10 | Ronin | dli: could always change the port ssh listens to, change the port forward on the firewall is another |
| 23:26.12 | dli | dondelelcaro, not in sarge? apt-cache search shows nothing |
| 23:26.13 | stew | magik: which chipset |
| 23:26.18 | pure2 | i havent had 1 brute force attack since i changed port |
| 23:26.25 | dondelelcaro | dli: you'll need a backport of it |
| 23:26.25 | magik | linksys wireless-G usb Network Adapter |
| 23:26.31 | Arafangion | magik, The brand is not really that important. What is important is the chipset - the actual type of circuit inside the device. |
| 23:26.39 | Luka666 | pure2: havent had 1 bruteforce since i closed the port :P |
| 23:26.40 | dondelelcaro | dli: it's fairly trivial to do though. |
| 23:26.51 | magik | drivers :-( |
| 23:26.59 | magik | i need their |
| 23:27.08 | Ronin | magik: stew has been asking you a question |
| 23:27.10 | dli | dondelelcaro, some freak asked me to run stable only :( I think it makes sense to run testing |
| 23:27.24 | Ronin | nothing wrong with stable |
| 23:27.27 | Arafangion | dli, I prefer stable. |
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| 23:27.45 | Arafangion | If anything, stable is extremely convenient. |
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| 23:27.52 | Guerin | dli: testing is really flakey right now |
| 23:27.52 | paulswm | And stable. |
| 23:27.54 | magik | ok |
| 23:27.58 | magik | no problem |
| 23:28.00 | stew | dli: running all testing or all stable makes far more sense than running some stable pacakges and testing's libc6 which is what you do |
| 23:28.15 | eheil | Right now I'm running Ech and I don't find any problems. |
| 23:28.17 | dli | dondelelcaro, another problem, the worm runs on some IP not in dns, and that causes high cpu consumption of nscd or named |
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| 23:28.36 | paulswm | Yes, mixing distros can be horrible, see debian-based |
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| 23:28.45 | magik | No help my. Nobady |
| 23:28.45 | Ronin | dli: why not just change the port or change the forward on the firewall and say goodbye to the attempts |
| 23:28.47 | dondelelcaro | dli: it's fine to just run stable. Just backport fail2ban. |
| 23:28.49 | dli | dondelelcaro, I deleted nscd (which used 90% cpu) |
| 23:28.50 | lk30 | tengo este mensaje /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:29.01 | lk30 | Nov 28 18:27:54 localhost squid[1908]: clientReadRequest: FD 72 Invalid Request |
| 23:29.04 | paulswm | I am also running Etch on five boxes with zero issues |
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| 23:29.07 | Arafangion | ??fail2ban |
| 23:29.10 | dondelelcaro | dli: as far as resolving goes, it shouldn't need much cpu asuming you've got a reasonable dns server. |
| 23:29.15 | omni1 | how do you kill x server? |
| 23:29.18 | dli | Ronin, that would cause trouble for users |
| 23:29.20 | dondelelcaro | omni1: with kill |
| 23:29.24 | Arafangion | paulswm, I prefer security updates on stable. |
| 23:29.37 | magik | i cry in this moment |
| 23:29.42 | Ronin | dli: inform them? but ya i hear you, far too many couldn't figure out the different port |
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| 23:29.48 | dli | dondelelcaro, no, resolving fails each time, but the worm keeps trying |
| 23:29.49 | omni1 | i cant find the pid of X and is there no other way? |
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| 23:30.09 | paulswm | Arafangion: Yes, I would if I were running a business server, but the question was about etch's stability |
| 23:30.14 | dondelelcaro | dli: yes, which is why you use something like fail2ban, which will kill off the conections after a certain period of time. |
| 23:30.17 | dli | Ronin, the trouble to users should be at minimum |
| 23:30.32 | Arafangion | paulswm, etch is very stable, though not quite as secure or stable as sarge. |
| 23:30.45 | Ronin | its no trouble for them to connect to a different port dli, its very simple in fact |
| 23:30.48 | paulswm | Actually, I'd be running HP-UX or Solaris if I were running a business server, so someone would have responsibility for stability |
| 23:30.49 | Guerin | well |
| 23:31.02 | dli | dondelelcaro, how could this ever happen? an IP not in dns |
| 23:31.05 | Arafangion | Ronin, Sometimes <censored> proxies make that a bitch. |
| 23:31.11 | Guerin | currently etch is missing a large number of packages, and has update issues similar to what unstable sometimes has |
| 23:31.15 | lnxnt | can anyone tell me about parsers, in which order they get the tokens to see? |
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| 23:31.23 | soymilk | omni1: /bin/ps -e | less |
| 23:31.23 | Roadrunne | Hi, if I add printk to a kernel source file, where can I find the output? |
| 23:31.30 | dondelelcaro | dli: it's not unusual, lots of IPs don't reverse. |
| 23:31.40 | stew | lnxnt: the get tokens in the order they appear in the input stream |
| 23:31.47 | paulswm | Arafangion: Yes, I know, although I've been running debian tsesting exclusively for only six tears |
| 23:31.49 | dli | dondelelcaro, okay, setting up fail2ban in testing |
| 23:31.49 | magik | thanks their. I ask again tumorrow:-) By only users |
| 23:31.57 | paulswm | years! |
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| 23:32.04 | dli | Ronin, only when it's necessary |
| 23:32.08 | lnxnt | stew: so if "int class... end" they first get int ? |
| 23:32.26 | stew | lnxnt: yes |
| 23:32.27 | lnxnt | stew: if this was a file on the filesystem |
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| 23:32.38 | lnxnt | stew: thanks |
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| 23:34.20 | dli | dondelelcaro, looks like the default fail2ban.conf should work for me |
| 23:34.23 | eeyore- | ok, i'm being dense here ... i'm upgrading a two year old machine and dselect says i should "activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak" option without telling me how to do it. hints? |
| 23:34.24 | dondelelcaro | dli: yerp |
| 23:34.31 | dippo | so the etch installer just gives you an option to install sarge instead at some point? |
| 23:34.39 | stew | eeyore-: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 23:35.02 | dli | dondelelcaro, I have 4 login gateway for this cluster, this worm is trying them one by one :( |
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| 23:35.03 | eeyore- | stew: thanks :) |
| 23:35.30 | eeyore- | stew: hmm, it's upgrading from sid to sid, tho |
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| 23:36.15 | posjti | I want to fix dependency a deb package file(xxx.deb), do you know how to fix it? I don't have deb-src. |
| 23:36.19 | stew | eeyore-: however your packages are older than stable, you should upgrade to stable, then to sid, or if you want to loopbreak /msg dpkg loopbreak |
| 23:36.38 | dondelelcaro | posjti: in general, you shouldn't be doing that. If you know exactly what you're doing, use dpkg-deb. |
| 23:37.08 | posjti | dondelelcaro, yeah it is just trial. |
| 23:37.10 | eeyore- | hmm, dpkg doesn't know about "loopbreak" |
| 23:37.21 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: yerp. only apt-get does that. |
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| 23:37.30 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: but you shouldn't need that at all. |
| 23:37.32 | eeyore- | dondek: i mean dpkg the bot :-) |
| 23:37.36 | dli | dondelelcaro, fail2ban works immediately, and wonderfully |
| 23:37.38 | dondelelcaro | oh. |
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| 23:37.42 | stew | !loopbreak is <reply> see force loopbreak |
| 23:37.42 | dpkg | ...but loopbreak is already something else... |
| 23:37.42 | dondelelcaro | dli: cool. |
| 23:37.45 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i'm upgrading from very old sid to very new sid |
| 23:37.53 | cnelson | anyone have problems today with 2.6.14 and udev? |
| 23:38.02 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: ah... yeah, I'd suggest making a stop by sarge first. |
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| 23:38.13 | Arafangion | How does one calculate which packages they have that are NOT in sarge? |
| 23:38.15 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: at least for ext2 et al. |
| 23:38.24 | cnelson | i rebooted today and all my /dev devices failed to load |
| 23:38.34 | Unisys | well guys i got my sound working in the end on the laptop. turned out i had the mute button switched on the side of the laptop....took me all of 3 days recompiling kernels and alsa confs and oss drivers to work it out. not best pleased! |
| 23:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: some combination of dpkg -l and grep-available will do ti. |
| 23:38.52 | Arafangion | donald, Thanks. |
| 23:38.58 | rootard | cnelson: I had that last weekend witha grub installation. I had to set /dev/hda3 instead of /dev/ide/host/... |
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| 23:39.27 | starscalling | question: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ is the weekly etch image correct? |
| 23:39.27 | Guerin | donalddelelcaro! |
| 23:39.31 | starscalling | o.O |
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| 23:39.36 | starscalling | sup Guerin sup dondelelcaro |
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| 23:39.43 | cnelson | rootard: in the grub.config? |
| 23:39.45 | stew | dondelelcaro: it seems like dpkg factoids get messed up when foo is <reply> see somethingelse, then someone does a "foo is also" |
| 23:40.03 | Arafangion | Interesting, looks like apt will satisfy dependencies from sid if required, despite very low priority. (Which is ok) |
| 23:40.11 | rootard | cnelson: yes, there but also if you reference in /etc/fstab possibly. |
| 23:40.20 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: ok, i set APT::Force-LoopBreak 1; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (it's all beginning to come back to me) and it seems happier |
| 23:40.21 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah... not really much to do about that, unfortunatly. |
| 23:40.41 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: yeah, you're going to want to unset that; just use apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 ... |
| 23:40.46 | cnelson | thanks I"ll check that out - though all my frefrences where to hdaX |
| 23:41.04 | eeyore- | good ol' dselect ... |
| 23:41.15 | cnelson | er, right, thanks |
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| 23:41.28 | eeyore- | pat pat ... |
| 23:41.34 | psychonate | If I want to clean up everything after a make, will 'make clean' suffice, or does that leave some temp files or anything behind? |
| 23:41.39 | rootard | cnelson: no problem. I hope it turns out well. |
| 23:41.54 | Arafangion | psychonate, make clean will *generally* be sufficient. |
| 23:41.55 | Bogaurd | i installed lm_sensors, all that it can detect is 2 sticks of ram =( |
| 23:42.01 | Luka666 | can anyone tell me what an ipv6 segment is? |
| 23:42.04 | rootard | psychonate: it _shold_ clean everything up ... in theory. |
| 23:42.06 | Arafangion | psychonate, Sometimes you should also do make depend, and sometimes something else is required. |
| 23:42.25 | lnxnt | stew: wait. how can you parse bottom up if you get the tokens in natural order? |
| 23:42.36 | paulswm | psychonate: It depends, of course, on the content of the makefile |
| 23:42.45 | rootard | psychonate: also, you can have make realclean / make mrproper with kernels |
| 23:42.50 | psychonate | paulswm, well, that is beyond me I think |
| 23:42.53 | dli | Bogaurd, I couldn't get it work for me :( I just use acpi to read cpu temperature |
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| 23:43.03 | Zephiroth | hi. |
| 23:43.06 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, I am intending to make some monitoring scripts to keep an eye on a group of servers, but before I do so, I'd like to check out some popular ones first - do you use any such scripts? |
| 23:43.19 | Zephiroth | how i do to configure my surround and subbuffer under debian? |
| 23:43.21 | stew | lnxnt: by pushing them back when you backtrace |
| 23:43.24 | Bogaurd | dli: how can you read cpu temp via acpi? i'm on an ooollllld mobo, so i expected it would work =\ |
| 23:43.49 | lnxnt | stew: so push until you reach the end and then reduce? |
| 23:43.51 | stew | Bogaurd: apt-get install acpid acpi ; modprobe thermal ; acpi -V |
| 23:43.53 | psychonate | I just got done messing with a header file and patching some files in some source, and I wanted to tar it all up for use on another box. I figured I should 'make clean' first. |
| 23:44.00 | rootard | Does anyone know of a chroot like environment for Debian? I have created several chroot environments using the base install and then modifying things but that's getting to be a little painfull... Perhaps I should just use vservers? |
| 23:44.11 | Bogaurd | stew: awesome, i'll try it :D |
| 23:44.14 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: munin is my personal favorite |
| 23:44.17 | paulswm | psychonate: As the others said, generally it should work in distro makefiles, but it does depend on how the 'clean' target is defined in the makefile |
| 23:44.24 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Thanks. |
| 23:44.41 | Bogaurd | haha: lucky me. |
| 23:44.43 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.43 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.00 | Zephiroth | how i do to configure my surround and subbuffer under debian? |
| 23:45.10 | Guerin | Bogaurd: or load the acpi kernel modules |
| 23:45.18 | psychonate | paulswm, well, I see clean in the makefile, but it means nothing to me |
| 23:45.22 | Guerin | Bogaurd: which are built with debian kernels |
| 23:45.24 | stew | Bogaurd: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:45.38 | Bogaurd | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:45.48 | Bogaurd | sarge |
| 23:45.49 | stew | Bogaurd: did you "modprobe thermal"? |
| 23:45.52 | paulswm | psychonate: Then it's robably OK, I mean it won't do any harm :) |
| 23:45.58 | Bogaurd | yeah it wont work stew |
| 23:46.04 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 23:46.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:46.06 | psychonate | excellent |
| 23:46.21 | Bogaurd | okay: |
| 23:46.22 | Bogaurd | WARNING: Error inserting processor (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
| 23:46.22 | Bogaurd | FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 23:46.32 | rootard | Guerin: does that mean it does work? |
| 23:46.42 | Guerin | !paste Bogaurd |
| 23:46.45 | stew | Arafangion: look at the wondershaper pacakge |
| 23:46.45 | dpkg | Bogaurd: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:46.54 | paulswm | Guerin: I want more money *and* I waste my time on IRC |
| 23:46.55 | Guerin | rootard: no. it clearly doens't work. |
| 23:46.57 | lnxnt | wo is dpkg ? |
| 23:46.59 | Zephiroth | i have a intel810 sound card |
| 23:47.03 | stew | Bogaurd: looks to me like you don't have acpi support |
| 23:47.09 | Bogaurd | yeah |
| 23:47.19 | mith | paulswm: doesn't everyone? |
| 23:47.20 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Hmm, I'm after a tool that will email a _brief_ rundown on each server, each server produces a stats file, and one gathers them all and condences them into a more dense format. |
| 23:47.27 | rootard | Guerin: I was kidding ... ( ! doesn't == does ) |
| 23:47.36 | mith | Arafangion: logwatch? |
| 23:47.36 | Guerin | paulswm: hell, I GET more money and I waste time on irc! |
| 23:47.41 | Arafangion | stew: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 23:48.05 | Guerin | rootard: but nowhere above does dpkg or I dispute that it doesn't work. |
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| 23:48.11 | Arafangion | mith, logwatch is too big and unwieldy for daily stats. |
| 23:48.25 | Bogaurd | i'm looking in modconf, can i enable the acpi module or somethign? |
| 23:48.34 | mith | Arafangion: then setup snmpd and do it 'properly' for the things you care about |
| 23:48.45 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: there are probably some like that; I just find it far easier to glance at the graphs myself... it in combination with nagios or similar to warn about problems is fairly easy. |
| 23:48.55 | Guerin | Bogaurd: Unknown symbol usually means the modules weren't built for the kernel |
| 23:49.05 | paulswm | Guerin: Luckily, my employer isn't paying me what I'm worth, I couldn't live on that little :P |
| 23:49.07 | Bogaurd | Guerin: ah okay. |
| 23:49.11 | lnxnt | can you subsume the pros and cons of top-down and bottom-up parsing? |
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| 23:49.20 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, Trouble with munin, imho, is that you have to look at each graph individually, and you have to navigate the structure yourself. |
| 23:49.32 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, I want the relevant info given to me on a platter. |
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| 23:49.46 | Bogaurd | Guerin: not a major worry, i'm more concerned with the temp of my hard drives - any way i can check that via SMART or something? |
| 23:49.55 | Guerin | Bogaurd: no idea |
| 23:50.00 | Bogaurd | okay =) |
| 23:50.01 | antgel_ | Bogaurd: hddtemp |
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| 23:50.09 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: smart can have temperature |
| 23:50.34 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, munim looks quite good, though, perhaps it'd be sufficient for detailed stats. |
| 23:50.55 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, But I'm not going to check munim every day. |
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| 23:51.09 | Bogaurd | antgel_: i'm trying it now :) |
| 23:51.13 | Arafangion | *munin |
| 23:51.44 | Bogaurd | shit |
| 23:51.52 | Bogaurd | is 40 degrees celcius normal for a hd? |
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| 23:52.16 | Guerin | Bogaurd: since that's only about 10 above ambient, i'd say it's fine. |
| 23:52.18 | psychonate | Bogaurd, dunno, but mine is running at 33 heh |
| 23:52.20 | antgel_ | Bogaurd: yep |
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| 23:52.47 | Arafangion | Bogaurd, They can run hotter, even. |
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| 23:52.52 | Guerin | any piece of electronics which has an operating temperature less than 50 degrees isn't worth usine anyway |
| 23:52.58 | Arafangion | Bogaurd, Unfortunately special purpose hdd fans are quite ineffective :( |
| 23:53.02 | Comrade_Vladimir | is there a video site for myspace that will work on linux as well as windows |
| 23:53.05 | Bogaurd | yeah |
| 23:53.20 | Bogaurd | i may add a 120mm blower to the front of the case |
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| 23:53.31 | Bogaurd | summer is coming on here, and the server is in the garage |
| 23:53.40 | Bogaurd | the ambient temp will be 40 degrees in the easily |
| 23:53.53 | Bogaurd | in there* |
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| 23:55.11 | Arafangion | Bogaurd, In 40+ areas, I'd like hardware RAID, unfortunately it's hard to justify the money atm :( Some people are very stingy. |
| 23:55.43 | Bogaurd | heh |
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| 23:56.13 | dli | Bogaurd, when the time comes, move to the south hemisphere |
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| 23:56.20 | Bogaurd | haha yeah |
| 23:56.26 | Bogaurd | =) |
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| 23:56.51 | dli | Arafangion, disks are so cheap now, buy several extras, and run software raid-1 |
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| 23:56.53 | Bogaurd | i wish i could somehow use the heat coming out of my pc's to power my airconditioning =p |
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| 23:57.24 | Bogaurd | yeah, discs are cheap as now - i bought a 320gb drive the other day for $200 AUD |
| 23:57.41 | Arafangion | Bogaurd, The raid itself puts the price up a bit. |
| 23:57.59 | dli | Bogaurd, oh, I should have said, "move to the other hemisphere" :( |
| 23:58.02 | Arafangion | dli, I'm not sure if I'd like to depend on software raid. Hardware is *much* better. |
| 23:58.03 | Bogaurd | Arafangion: of course it does, but software raid inst so bad. |
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| 23:58.10 | paulswm | Bogaurd: As you're in Oz, the answer's obvious: beer-cooling! :P |
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| 23:58.15 | psychonate | Would it be hard for me to create, from source, a .deb for personal use? |
| 23:58.15 | Comrade_Vladimir | anyone know anysites? |
| 23:58.15 | Bogaurd | haha |
| 23:58.26 | dli | Arafangion, for the money on that card, you can buy several disks |
| 23:58.32 | Comrade_Vladimir | u guys are a lot slower than the ubuntu crowd no offense |
| 23:58.38 | numist | happens |
| 23:59.02 | Arafangion | Comrade_Vladimir, We filter decent questions from idiotic questions - or perhaps we're just a tad more single-minded. |
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| 23:59.18 | Arafangion | Comrade_Vladimir, What do youmean by "anysites"? |
| 23:59.38 | antgel_ | Arafangion: don't feed the troll |
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| 23:59.54 | Comrade_Vladimir | any sites that have videos for myspace usable on myspace Arafangion |
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