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| 00:00.19 | stew | Comrade_Vladimir: does this have anything to do with debian? |
| 00:00.43 | Comrade_Vladimir | yea it wont work unless its made for linux |
| 00:00.45 | gravity | Comrade_Vladimir: If you want to troll go somewhere else |
| 00:01.07 | paulswm | Comrade_Vladimir: Install ubuntu and ask there, no offense |
| 00:01.12 | Bogaurd | haha |
| 00:01.17 | paulswm | :D |
| 00:01.32 | Comrade_Vladimir | i am running ubuntu and thay wont answer me there |
| 00:01.33 | abrotman | Comrade_Vladimir: are you running debian ? |
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| 00:01.43 | abrotman | Comrade_Vladimir: congratulations .. you've earned a ban! |
| 00:01.45 | gravity | Comrade_Vladimir: If they won't answer you, that's not our problem |
| 00:01.49 | Comrade_Vladimir | no but it s virtually the same |
| 00:01.55 | paulswm | Comrade_Vladimir: /topic |
| 00:01.57 | abrotman | NO .. it's not |
| 00:01.59 | Comrade_Vladimir | i figured maybe u could |
| 00:01.59 | Bogaurd | Comrade_Vladimir: so if they wont answer you, how are we slower than them? |
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| 00:02.14 | Comrade_Vladimir | not many people talk here as there |
| 00:02.18 | stew | Bogaurd: they probably had him banned quicker |
| 00:02.21 | gravity | Comrade_Vladimir: Doesn't matter. |
| 00:02.22 | Bogaurd | =P |
| 00:02.37 | gravity | Anyway, I'm quickly getting irritated with this |
| 00:02.44 | abrotman | gravity: are you still at work ? |
| 00:02.50 | gravity | abrotman: Nope |
| 00:02.53 | paulswm | Comrade_Vladimir: I'll quote the topic for you: "Please note: this is not #ubuntu." |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | Comrade_Vladimir: your question is not related to debian .. please go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 00:03.22 | Comrade_Vladimir | I KNOW can someone here answer me here |
| 00:03.27 | abrotman | but noone will |
| 00:03.40 | abrotman | so you might as well leave |
| 00:03.41 | Comrade_Vladimir | u guys suck ya no im gladf i got ubuntu |
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| 00:03.53 | abrotman | yay! .. he talks like a tard! |
| 00:04.06 | paulswm | !medal gravity |
| 00:04.06 | gravity | Comrade_Vladimir: If you like Ubuntu, then please make use of their support forums |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | oh . i see the problem ..he's from new york :) |
| 00:04.21 | abrotman | gravity: you whore! |
| 00:04.25 | stew | *grumble |
| 00:04.28 | gravity | heh |
| 00:04.40 | paulswm | Well that didn't come out right, gravity, I was trying to be nice :) |
| 00:04.48 | numist | ~lart paulswm |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | stew: why the grumble ? |
| 00:04.59 | gravity | paulswm: He was trolling anyway |
| 00:05.05 | gravity | The first thing I see is how much slower we are |
| 00:05.07 | gravity | Fuckwad |
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| 00:05.16 | phaedral | hi all |
| 00:05.25 | paulswm | gravity: Yes, I mean dpkg calling you a whore :) |
| 00:05.29 | gravity | paulswm: Ah :-) |
| 00:05.32 | stew | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 00:05.47 | phaedral | quick bzip2 question; sarge install; when I run bzip2 foo.tar.bz it sits and spins endlessly |
| 00:06.02 | abrotman | no . it's trying to rezip it |
| 00:06.04 | starscalling | er so |
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| 00:06.08 | gravity | phaedral: Are you trying to zip or unzip it? |
| 00:06.09 | paulswm | !irritate numist |
| 00:06.10 | dpkg | numist: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse !!!! |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | phaedral: bunzip2 .. not bzip2 |
| 00:06.17 | starscalling | debian-testing-etcetc.iso is the etch right? |
| 00:06.19 | phaedral | trying to compress a tar file |
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| 00:06.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:06.27 | dli | phaedral, .bz2 is slow |
| 00:06.29 | kevinv | Hello |
| 00:06.40 | gravity | bzip2 is indeed slow |
| 00:06.41 | starscalling | and also |
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| 00:06.53 | starscalling | for etch/testing gnome is working right/? |
| 00:06.56 | omniboggle | where does the kernel-source package install to? |
| 00:06.57 | abrotman | today it is |
| 00:07.00 | gravity | phaedral: You also don't need to name it .bz or whatever. Just tar it up with a .tar suffix and run bzip2 foo.tar |
| 00:07.01 | starscalling | or am i stuck with like kde or something?> |
| 00:07.02 | phaedral | actually the command is bzip2 my_dir.tar |
| 00:07.03 | abrotman | oh wait .. let me update |
| 00:07.06 | gravity | phaedral: It'll add the .bz2 for you |
| 00:07.10 | kevinv | Has anyone here every used NAS under Debian, or any other Linux Distro by chance? |
| 00:07.16 | dli | starscalling, I think so. I'm running etch |
| 00:07.19 | phaedral | gravity: thanks; and be really patient I guess |
| 00:07.37 | gravity | phaedral: Yeah. The problem with bzip is that it's really slow, but you get better compression out of it |
| 00:07.37 | starscalling | ah sweet |
| 00:07.52 | abrotman | starscalling: yeah .. mine works mostly fine .. the minicommander seems a bit wonky .. but ah well |
| 00:08.01 | starscalling | minicommander? |
| 00:08.03 | starscalling | o.O |
| 00:08.05 | abrotman | one of the applets |
| 00:08.07 | paulswm | phaedral: it is just very, very slow, you can ls -l the .bz and guess at its progress, if it is increasing in size it's running OK :) |
| 00:08.08 | starscalling | i dont even know what that is |
| 00:08.10 | starscalling | ah ok |
| 00:08.11 | phaedral | i'm doing hd backup on another machine; the size is more important than the compression time |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | command line applet |
| 00:08.28 | starscalling | ah |
| 00:08.35 | starscalling | ok im thinking i should install gnome |
| 00:08.41 | starscalling | what package is the inclusive one? |
| 00:08.46 | starscalling | gnome-desktop? |
| 00:08.46 | omniboggle | where does the kernel-source package install to? |
| 00:08.47 | paulswm | phaedral: Heh, and they say size isn't important :P |
| 00:08.53 | abrotman | !tell starscalling about install gnome |
| 00:08.53 | crash3m__ | /usr/src/l |
| 00:09.04 | dli | phaedral, I think buying more disks makes more sense |
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| 00:09.25 | paulswm | dli: Doesn't stop the necesity of backups though |
| 00:09.34 | phaedral | paulswm: tried ls -l; jeez! never wouldda guessed it was that slow |
| 00:09.47 | dli | paulswm, it stops backing up to .tar.bz2 |
| 00:09.49 | abrotman | phaedral: how big is the tar ? |
| 00:10.02 | phaedral | 6.8G |
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| 00:10.19 | abrotman | phaedral: may i suggest a 6pack of beer ? |
| 00:10.22 | paulswm | phaedral: Depending on your CPU, that will take prolly over an hour |
| 00:10.30 | dli | phaedral, should be in about 1 hour |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | phaedral: wait .. this is on a P100 isn't it ? |
| 00:11.03 | dli | abrotman, that means tomorrow |
| 00:11.11 | Roadrunne | omniboggle: /usr/src |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | !beer phaedral |
| 00:11.13 | mhall | fuck fuck fuck |
| 00:11.14 | phaedral | it's a fairly recent compaq; i can let it sit and spin |
| 00:11.18 | mhall | so many projects; so little time for them |
| 00:11.20 | phaedral | !beer abrotman |
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| 00:11.27 | abrotman | mhall: you just dropped another .00001332 |
| 00:11.41 | mhall | abrotman: w00t! |
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| 00:11.55 | phaedral | thanks all; I just didn't dig the time invovled. #debian rocks |
| 00:11.56 | paulswm | Woohoo, it's mhall, going down further on kinglsey's productivity list :P |
| 00:12.19 | abrotman | mhall: you still have a long way to go to beat me! |
| 00:12.21 | soymilk | are there any pics of the "deb' from debian? is she cute? |
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| 00:12.28 | mhall | abrotman: i mean, i only got thanked 30 times, that's clearly less than the 9 times kingsley's been thanked |
| 00:12.38 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 00:12.42 | gravity | Crap |
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| 00:12.55 | starscalling | hrm |
| 00:12.55 | abrotman | oh .. i read it wrong .. i thought he wanted screenshots :) |
| 00:13.07 | abrotman | mhall: 3 times |
| 00:13.29 | mhall | abrotman: two kingsleys |
| 00:13.30 | starscalling | abrotman, how much less is gnome-desktop-enviornment than gnome or is gnome-core that either of those |
| 00:13.32 | starscalling | *than |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | oh .. yeah |
| 00:13.35 | starscalling | and |
| 00:13.41 | mhall | abrotman: only one mhall |
| 00:13.53 | mhall | abrotman: i'm 1337 and h4x0r so i don't need clones to do my bidding |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | StarKruzr: honestly .. no idea .. i figure i could care less about the initial install .. it's more of a pain later when i want something and it's not installed |
| 00:14.10 | lnxnt | what is "better", top-down or bottom-up parsing? |
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| 00:14.22 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.36 | abrotman | starscalling: one has just enough to run X locally |
| 00:14.40 | mhall | starscalling: -core is usually better |
| 00:14.46 | mhall | starscalling: less stuff you don't want |
| 00:14.49 | starscalling | ah |
| 00:14.55 | omniboggle | hmm is there a tutorial on how to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:14.59 | mhall | starscalling: you can compare em with... |
| 00:15.06 | starscalling | so then do linux26 install then um |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | starscalling: if you don't mind having to install stuff later .. use -core for x-win and gnome |
| 00:15.24 | phaedral | omniboggle: apt-get install 2.6-kernel-sources...unless one of the real gurus says better |
| 00:15.24 | starscalling | apt-get install gdm gnome-core x-window-system-core |
| 00:15.33 | starscalling | and that should be enough to get gui in and going? |
| 00:15.43 | abrotman | yep |
| 00:15.50 | starscalling | ah |
| 00:15.55 | starscalling | awesome! |
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| 00:15.56 | mhall | starscalling: apt-cache show x-window-system x-window-system-core |
| 00:16.06 | starscalling | kay |
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| 00:16.09 | mhall | starscalling: then compare the dependencies list if you like |
| 00:16.10 | abrotman | they're both meta packages |
| 00:16.18 | mhall | starscalling: that will show what each installs |
| 00:16.25 | Arafangion | What is a good program for keeping directories across multiple servers in sync? (Automatically) |
| 00:16.26 | pppoe_dude | hi. when downloading debian dvd's, do i need the two dvd's? |
| 00:16.32 | mhall | starscalling: suffice it to say that -core is almost always good enough |
| 00:16.34 | abrotman | Arafangion: rsync ? |
| 00:16.38 | mhall | !zoosmite pppoe_dude |
| 00:16.39 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, pppoe_dude loves the zoo! |
| 00:16.41 | Arafangion | abrotman, That's only one-way. |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: depends ... will you have broadband at the install site ? |
| 00:16.57 | abrotman | Arafangion: it doesn't have to be |
| 00:16.57 | omniboggle | does the kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 upgrade your system to 2.6? |
| 00:17.02 | Arafangion | abrotman, unison might be good, but I don't neccessarily want a star topology. |
| 00:17.05 | mhall | pppoe_dude: nothing personal, it's just... you reminded me of that evil fucking protocol :-D |
| 00:17.06 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, i have broadband |
| 00:17.08 | abrotman | Arafangion: otherwise .. cvs ? |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | !d-i pppoe_dude |
| 00:17.12 | dpkg | pppoe_dude, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:17.18 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, but do i really need to download 8gb worth of stuff? |
| 00:17.25 | starscalling | ah |
| 00:17.28 | pppoe_dude | k |
| 00:17.29 | starscalling | ok core then |
| 00:17.32 | Arafangion | abrotman, This is to keep documents and the like for office staff in sync, they are not goign to use cvs |
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| 00:17.34 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: that 100MB ISO is way way easier |
| 00:17.39 | dli | omniboggle, you don't need kernel-patch |
| 00:17.41 | thingfish | now see, I got in trouble in #fedora because I cussed. I forgot where I was. |
| 00:17.45 | pppoe_dude | abrotman k thanks |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | Arafangion: but they're gonna use rsync ? :) |
| 00:17.49 | mhall | thingfish: they have a rule? |
| 00:17.56 | thingfish | #debian spoils me. |
| 00:17.58 | starscalling | not knowing better i got the weekly build of the etch cd |
| 00:17.59 | paulswm | thingfish: HAHA |
| 00:17.59 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, is there a way too boot that from a usb disk? |
| 00:18.00 | thingfish | mhall: oh yes. |
| 00:18.00 | starscalling | so um |
| 00:18.05 | jimi_ | How do i import wsx files with XNap? |
| 00:18.07 | pppoe_dude | *thumb drive |
| 00:18.07 | starscalling | i guess i shall be back soonish |
| 00:18.08 | Dewi | thingfish: and yet cussing is quite a natural reaction to fedora linux |
| 00:18.11 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: there is . but i don't know it .. ask #debian-boot |
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| 00:18.17 | pppoe_dude | k thanks |
| 00:18.17 | Arafangion | abrotman, Currently they are using it, but they aren't respecting the boundaries that I've setup. |
| 00:18.23 | mhall | thingfish: think i best stay away from that channel: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/profanity |
| 00:18.24 | thingfish | hehehe Dewi |
| 00:18.24 | Arafangion | abrotman, Which is a damn pain. |
| 00:18.27 | mhall | thingfish: what do you think? |
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| 00:18.37 | paulswm | thingfish: Ask kingsley for a stoplist :P |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | Arafangion: ok .. what's the actual problem you're trying to solve ? |
| 00:18.43 | Dewi | mhall: nice |
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| 00:18.54 | Dewi | the thing about profanity is that it's so regional |
| 00:18.58 | Arafangion | abrotman, I have several servers, which must keep a particular directory in sync. |
| 00:19.00 | thingfish | mhall: hahaha |
| 00:19.03 | thingfish | bravo |
| 00:19.11 | Dewi | trying to have any kind of profanity regulation on irc is laughable |
| 00:19.20 | Arafangion | abrotman, Spread across quite slow links, as they're too frugal to spend more money on better connections. |
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| 00:19.30 | azeem | Dewi: why? |
| 00:19.33 | Dewi | what offends an american is so totally different to an australian or an englishman |
| 00:19.36 | crash3m__ | Dewi: to that, I say, fuck yeah! hehe |
| 00:19.37 | thingfish | well, you know, you have to make allowances for the little children that run fedora, I suppose. |
| 00:19.39 | dli | Arafangion, using nfs sounds good to keep a unique version of one directory |
| 00:19.44 | paulswm | Especially when at least one definition of profanity is much too broad, profanity is quite a specific class of lanuage |
| 00:19.48 | Arafangion | dli, Not across slow links. |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | dli: over a leased line ? |
| 00:19.53 | starscalling | oh yeah |
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| 00:19.59 | starscalling | the other thing i was wondering about: |
| 00:20.01 | Guerin | just last night we had an italian dude going on at another italian dude about his offensive nick |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | starscalling: nope .. too many questions |
| 00:20.08 | Dewi | Guerin: haha |
| 00:20.13 | Guerin | 'Manchia' or something |
| 00:20.13 | starscalling | i tried installing xdm last time around and nothing worked with it lol |
| 00:20.16 | Guerin | meant nothing to me |
| 00:20.17 | dli | Arafangion, I thought they are within the same room |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | starscalling: use gdm |
| 00:20.23 | thingfish | profanities often have a very good pedigree, in terms of being attested to in ancient literature. |
| 00:20.27 | Arafangion | dli, No. |
| 00:20.31 | starscalling | ive nothing against gdm exactly but i was wondering if thats just b/c i suck :P |
| 00:20.42 | dli | starscalling, or kdm |
| 00:20.47 | starscalling | o.o |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | Arafangion: hrm .. a custom script that compares modification times and copies the files back/forth ? |
| 00:20.50 | psychonate | Can one use GDM without installing all the Gnome crap? |
| 00:20.53 | gravity | starscalling: Nothing worked with xdm? |
| 00:20.59 | gravity | starscalling: Could you be more specific? |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | Arafangion: and what do you do if someone edits the file at two different locations ? |
| 00:21.04 | starscalling | nope it did nothing when i had xdm in |
| 00:21.11 | Arafangion | abrotman, I'm thinking of a writing my own, but I'm hoping that someone has already done most of it. |
| 00:21.17 | abrotman | psychonate: you get a certain amount |
| 00:21.17 | Guerin | most of what's listed on that as profanity isnt: it's either obscenity, or just crude language, or just correct terms for things which prudes are offended by |
| 00:21.17 | starscalling | im guessing i must have to configure everything from scratch or something |
| 00:21.21 | dli | psychonate, so, just use gnome, since you have to install some of gnome for gdm |
| 00:21.23 | Guerin | like 'p*ostitute' |
| 00:21.24 | paulswm | thingfish: I mean, like "fuck" may be bad language, but it sure isn't profanity |
| 00:21.28 | starscalling | but i couldnt even get it to show a login thing |
| 00:21.30 | abrotman | !depends gdm sarge |
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| 00:21.38 | dpkg | gdm: depends on adduser, debconf (>= 0.5), dpkg (>= 1.9), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libattr1 (>= 2.4.4-1), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), ... |
| 00:21.39 | Arafangion | abrotman, I'm thinking of basing the system on a 'relaxed' distributed version control system. |
| 00:21.49 | abrotman | all that just for gdm .. jeez |
| 00:21.57 | psychonate | well, I've already installed GDM and Gnome, but I don't use Gnome. I was just curious to see if one *had* to install Gnome as well |
| 00:21.58 | starscalling | though startx worked fine of course i just couldnt get xdm going... i was trying to see how light i could keep my linux is all |
| 00:21.59 | mhall | Dewi thingfish :-) |
| 00:22.02 | azeem | paulswm: it depends on how you say it, I guess |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | Arafangion: but what if two people edit it ? |
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| 00:22.05 | treach | I don't think there is a deb for it, but http://slim.berlios.de/index.php is pretty nice. |
| 00:22.10 | Guerin | you'd think someone going to all this trouble would learn a thing or two about that which he's trying to analyse, but he hasn't even read the wikipedia articles on it |
| 00:22.13 | Arafangion | abrotman, In practice, tends not to happen. |
| 00:22.16 | omniboggle | how do you compile the 2.6 kernel - looking for a walkthrough |
| 00:22.18 | psychonate | I've been using IceWM for the past few months. I rather like it now. |
| 00:22.23 | thingfish | paulswm: and I'm sure it comes from a nice indo-european root word, too. |
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| 00:22.25 | abrotman | treach: file an RFP |
| 00:22.30 | Arafangion | abrotman, And they're more than able to sort it out themselves, or consult backups. |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | Arafangion: but if it did? |
| 00:22.34 | Guerin | azeem: no, fuck is never profanity |
| 00:22.35 | starscalling | ive given up on that for the moment, just was curious thanx :) |
| 00:22.41 | paulswm | azeem: profane language is language showing a lack of respect for a god or a religion |
| 00:22.42 | dli | omniboggle, can you just use the debian prebuilt kernel? |
| 00:22.45 | Arafangion | abrotman, If it did, just mean an extra 30 min of work. |
| 00:22.49 | mhall | thingfish: often that which is profane in English is that which was at one point Saxon |
| 00:22.49 | Dewi | mhall: remind me to attempt to kick your sorry ass down that fucking profanity chart a bit. You cunt. |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 00:22.59 | azeem | paulswm: oh well, then |
| 00:23.03 | thingfish | now that's interesting, mhall. |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | Arafangion: waht about .. using ... arch ? .. which sounds bad |
| 00:23.08 | Arafangion | abrotman, Unlike programmers and administrators, office staff files are very individual, they rarely depend on other files. |
| 00:23.11 | Dewi | mhall: yeah. It's all a class thing. |
| 00:23.15 | omniboggle | dli how do i do that if i already have debian installed? |
| 00:23.16 | treach | abrotman: ok, I'll see what I can do. Should go to bed now though. :-) |
| 00:23.16 | paulswm | You all are confusing profanity with what is considered bad language |
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| 00:23.26 | abrotman | Arafangion: and rsync is totally out the question ? |
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| 00:23.35 | thingfish | I am largely ignorant as to the history of the english language. slavic languages were my field. |
| 00:23.43 | dli | omniboggle, for example, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 or -686 |
| 00:23.45 | mhall | paulswm: please explain the distinction |
| 00:23.47 | Arafangion | abrotman, rsync has been demonstrated to be ineffective. |
| 00:23.54 | abrotman | treach: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337578 |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | azeem: i blame you! |
| 00:24.04 | treach | thanks. |
| 00:24.05 | thingfish | boy really. |
| 00:24.05 | starscalling | i think im gonna slam blackbox into debian gnome and not have nautilus draw the desktop. so i loose some icons but the rest should be there, and im hoping to pick up a little performance visually |
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| 00:24.21 | Arafangion | abrotman, I'd consider unison, if and only if it was able to reconcile conflicts in an automatic fashion, which it can't. |
| 00:24.21 | crash3m__ | starscalling: go with fluxbox & fbdesk |
| 00:24.23 | omniboggle | dli: and that will just install the kernel for me? |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | starscalling: what CPU/RAM ? |
| 00:24.24 | mhall | azeem: well i started it by showing i was the most profane in #debian according to kingsley the cock knocker |
| 00:24.29 | starscalling | fbdesk? |
| 00:24.30 | dli | omniboggle, yes |
| 00:24.36 | thingfish | hehe cock knocker |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | Arafangion: how slow is the link ? |
| 00:24.41 | thingfish | never heard that one before. |
| 00:24.45 | Arafangion | abrotman, Very slow - 256kbps |
| 00:24.48 | azeem | mhall: I can't parse that |
| 00:24.49 | mhall | thingfish: you have now :-D |
| 00:24.51 | paulswm | mhall: "fuck" isn't profane, "j**** ch****", dpending on context, is |
| 00:24.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:24.57 | Arafangion | abrotman, I can reliably get about 27 KB/s |
| 00:24.57 | crash3m__ | starscalling: adds icons to the fluxbox desktop |
| 00:24.57 | starscalling | abrotman, i have an ok system: its about 3 yrs old: amd atholon xp 2000+ 1gig ram |
| 00:25.09 | mhall | azeem: alright there is this guy kingsley; he monitors the channel for words he dislikes |
| 00:25.09 | Arafangion | abrotman, Also, I have a million or so files. |
| 00:25.09 | abrotman | Arafangion: that's honestly not that bad .. about about .. eegads ... shfs .. and mounting the dir remotely ? |
| 00:25.10 | starscalling | o: adds icons to flux eh... |
| 00:25.15 | crash3m__ | aye |
| 00:25.16 | Guerin | paulswm: jolly chocky? |
| 00:25.16 | Dewi | can somebody tell me what j**** ch*** is? |
| 00:25.22 | crash3m__ | jesus christ |
| 00:25.25 | mhall | azeem: and then he keeps some "measurements" of my productivity in the channel |
| 00:25.26 | starscalling | crash3m__, if i go that route what do i need to install other than just that? |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | Arafangion: no way to get a single place to store files ? |
| 00:25.28 | Arafangion | abrotman, Each network must have local-speed access. |
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| 00:25.35 | starscalling | i would love to keep gnome out of it~ "{ |
| 00:25.38 | starscalling | *:P |
| 00:25.39 | mhall | azeem: and my large usage of profanity keeps my productivity score very low |
| 00:25.43 | crash3m__ | starscalling: just that heh, maybe gnome libraries if you want gnome compatibility |
| 00:25.50 | thingfish | !pity mhall |
| 00:25.50 | mhall | azeem: and also keeps me at the top of the profanity ranking |
| 00:25.51 | dpkg | I pity da fool mhall! |
| 00:25.52 | paulswm | Dewi: I miscounted the asterisks :) |
| 00:25.59 | mhall | thingfish: ah Mr. T! |
| 00:26.00 | Arafangion | abrotman, A particular feature is that I *know* that under typical use, people will very rarely modify other people's files. |
| 00:26.01 | mhall | thingfish: what a guy |
| 00:26.03 | Dewi | profanity: noun (pl. profanities) 1 profane language or behaviour. 2 an oath or swear word. |
| 00:26.07 | Dewi | you're wrong paulswm |
| 00:26.17 | paulswm | Deek: No, I am not. |
| 00:26.18 | Dewi | both are profane |
| 00:26.19 | starscalling | crash3m__, would gdm install all the gnome libraries i need initially? and individual packages install what else i might need of course? |
| 00:26.19 | abrotman | Arafangion: does it have to happen once a day or once an hour or what ? |
| 00:26.25 | azeem | mhall: just because soom looney measures profanity doesn't make using bad language in here any good, IMHO |
| 00:26.26 | zinx | Dewi: jumbo cheese |
| 00:26.29 | Arafangion | abrotman, At least once/day is ideal. |
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| 00:26.39 | Arafangion | abrotman, Currently, rsync runs for about an hour. |
| 00:26.42 | crash3m__ | starscalling: uhmmmm, dunno about that |
| 00:26.46 | AoA | how to set (permision) that some user can READ WRITE, only its HOME directory ? |
| 00:26.51 | thingfish | you know americans just can't make good cheese. |
| 00:27.03 | mhall | azeem: no; it just makes it funny |
| 00:27.05 | abrotman | thingfish: wisconsin makes good cheddar! |
| 00:27.07 | mhall | thingfish: not true |
| 00:27.08 | thingfish | all the good cheese comes from europe. |
| 00:27.11 | starscalling | hum |
| 00:27.15 | paulswm | Dewi: An oath or swear word is not the same as just bad language, the definition which you found is entirely consistent with mine |
| 00:27.15 | dippo | is it possible to install sarge with the beta etch installer? |
| 00:27.16 | mhall | thingfish: americans just don't usually buy good cheese |
| 00:27.17 | thingfish | well, cheddar is not good cheese. |
| 00:27.20 | soymilk | i did a search on google for any picture of the famous deb and found this: http://nhs74.tripod.com/2aaa3e10.jpg |
| 00:27.20 | Dewi | azeem: IMHO, people getting upset about profanity in an internationalised environment is a very insular and arrogant thing to do. |
| 00:27.24 | mhall | thingfish: but you can get really good cheese |
| 00:27.24 | Dewi | azeem: plus it makes it funnier to swear |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | thingfish: it's good for somethings |
| 00:27.30 | thingfish | mhall I agree completely |
| 00:27.31 | mhall | thingfish: have you ever tried fiscalini? |
| 00:27.34 | azeem | Dewi: I am talking about bad language |
| 00:27.38 | Arafangion | abrotman, I might look at scripting a setup around arch, actually. |
| 00:27.40 | beardy | dippo: No, /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 00:27.42 | thingfish | abrotman: yes you can, if you know where to shop. |
| 00:27.53 | mhall | thingfish: it's a domestic small-batch american cheese that's as good as any import i've ever eaten |
| 00:27.58 | Dewi | azeem: bad language? you mean when people talk like an AOLer? |
| 00:27.59 | thingfish | mhall: no, I haven't. Italian? |
| 00:28.02 | thingfish | oh |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | thingfish: it's not one of my favorites .. but it is usable for somethings .. especially varieties of cheddar .. like mmmm .. horseradish cheddar |
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| 00:28.14 | Guerin | azeem: as far as I'm concerned, the misuse of language is a worse crime than what you call 'bad language' |
| 00:28.23 | thingfish | horseradish cheddar sounds interesting... |
| 00:28.23 | Dewi | paulswm: how is "fuck" not a "swear word"? |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | Arafangion: do you think arch will work ? .. i don't know enough about it except that it is distributed revision control |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | Dewi: i don't think it is :) |
| 00:28.37 | gravity | abrotman: DON'T DO ARCH |
| 00:28.40 | azeem | Guerin: well, maybe. Except the former usually don't know better |
| 00:28.41 | Arafangion | abrotman, arch might work sufficiently. |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | damn it .. i keep forgetting i'm not god ... |
| 00:28.43 | gravity | Unless... you're in to pain |
| 00:28.44 | Guerin | Dewi: look up the verb to swear |
| 00:28.46 | starscalling | ok here i go again! |
| 00:28.46 | Arafangion | gravity, Please elaborate. |
| 00:28.48 | Dewi | I don't think it is either, because it's a dialectal thing |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | gravity: yes .. elaborate! |
| 00:28.55 | starscalling | see ya in etch \o/ |
| 00:29.01 | Dewi | but ALL profanity is dialectal / cultural |
| 00:29.01 | gravity | Arafangion: Because it's the most painful RC system ever invented |
| 00:29.04 | azeem | Guerin: most people who stay longer than a couple of minutes in here will adopt their l33t speak |
| 00:29.07 | Arafangion | gravity, Please elaborate |
| 00:29.07 | abrotman | gravity: to setup or to use ? |
| 00:29.10 | paulswm | Dewi: You need to do some serious learning about the English language, I don't have the time to teach |
| 00:29.11 | gravity | abrotman: Both |
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| 00:29.18 | abrotman | gravity: what if the users never see it ? |
| 00:29.26 | gravity | Arafangion: 1) The disgustingly strict naming conventions on archives |
| 00:29.26 | Dewi | paulswm: arguments from authority don't carry much weight on irc |
| 00:29.28 | dippo | crap. stuck between a rock and a hard place |
| 00:29.32 | gravity | Arafangion: 2) The vast number of commands |
| 00:29.35 | Dewi | paulswm: it sounds to me like you know very little |
| 00:29.37 | thingfish | hehe Dewi |
| 00:29.42 | gravity | Arafangion: 3) Bugginess, especially in baz |
| 00:29.47 | Bogaurd | does anyone have a little experience with RRDtool who'd be willing help me modify a simple rrdtool perl script? |
| 00:29.50 | Dewi | paulswm: you haven't at all described the nature of the distinction you draw |
| 00:29.54 | gravity | Arafangion: 4) Dead upstream. They're working on bzr, which isn't really arch anymore |
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| 00:29.59 | dippo | the etch installer has ata_piix, but i want sarge |
| 00:30.00 | gravity | Arafangion: Do I have to go on? |
| 00:30.03 | Arafangion | gravity, Ok, that kills it. |
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| 00:30.08 | Arafangion | gravity, What's bzr like? |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | gravity: there is another branch that continued arch |
| 00:30.12 | gravity | abrotman: Take a look at mercurial if you need something distributed |
| 00:30.16 | Dewi | paulswm: what are you saying - that profanity is always religious? always an oath? always two words long? always contains the string "jesus" |
| 00:30.17 | gravity | abrotman: bzr |
| 00:30.17 | Guerin | azeem: i'm not talkign about leet speak. I'm talking about the misuse of terminology - like 'profanity' to refer to 'obscenity', and 'bad langauge' to refer to 'words which make me feel uncomfotable' |
| 00:30.21 | Dewi | paulswm: an example does not a definition make |
| 00:30.22 | beardy | dippo: Get sarge netinstaller then, like I told you. |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | gravity: not me .. Arafangion does .. though i think rsync is really his best shot |
| 00:30.32 | Arafangion | Hmm, I'll look at mercurial. |
| 00:30.34 | gravity | abrotman: Which is woefully incomplete at present. It's looking good but it can't commit to remote repositories |
| 00:30.38 | beardy | !d-i dippo |
| 00:30.39 | dpkg | dippo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:30.40 | Guerin | and I'm certainly not talking about tpynig errrso |
| 00:30.43 | j4cbo | having trouble with mono, it says "/usr/lib/mono/2.0/mscorlib.dll" was not found |
| 00:30.47 | gravity | Arafangion: Have a look at mercurial. Or git. |
| 00:30.47 | azeem | Guerin: ugh, ok |
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| 00:31.02 | gravity | Arafangion: If you really need something distributed. Both of those are currently useable for non-developers |
| 00:31.07 | gravity | Arafangion: If not, svn is the way to go |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | Arafangion: really .. for what you're trying to do .. afaict .. the ideal solution is rsync |
| 00:31.09 | Arafangion | gravity, I have a suspicion that git will be too slow. |
| 00:31.11 | azeem | Guerin: we seem to fundamentally disagree, probably because I am not a native speaker |
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| 00:31.31 | gravity | Arafangion: On the contrary. git is really fast. Fastest of all. But it eats disk space like crazy to get that speed. |
| 00:31.35 | Arafangion | gravity, I am dealing with at least a million files. |
| 00:31.38 | Dewi | Guerin: can you define "profanity" in a meaningful way? |
| 00:31.40 | Guerin | azeem: i suppose so. |
| 00:31.54 | beardy | Dewi: dict |
| 00:32.03 | Dewi | I did. it gave really broad examples. |
| 00:32.03 | gravity | Arafangion: Again, have a look at git, mercurial, and subversion |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | Arafangion: do you have space at one site or the other for a full repository of the files ? |
| 00:32.05 | Guerin | Dewi: language offensive to $deity |
| 00:32.06 | mhall | gravity: disks is teh cheap |
| 00:32.14 | gravity | Arafangion: Those are really the only choices right now aside from CVS |
| 00:32.16 | Dewi | Guerin: always $deity? |
| 00:32.19 | gravity | mhall: Not for me and my laptop |
| 00:32.22 | Guerin | Dewi: it has a very clear and simple meaning, in its original usage |
| 00:32.27 | Dewi | Guerin: okay |
| 00:32.33 | paulswm | Dewi: "fuck" is just an Anglo Saxon sexual term. Swearing involves an oath: for example, "bloody" is profane and a swear word, becuase it is a contraction of "By Our Lady", an old Catholic oath |
| 00:32.36 | Arafangion | Hmm, I might script a system based on murcuirial as the backend. |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | can we call it cursing ? |
| 00:32.56 | Arafangion | abrotman, I believe I have enough space, and if I don't, I can easily get more. |
| 00:32.56 | gravity | Arafangion: Also darcs. I keep forgetting about that one |
| 00:32.56 | Guerin | fuck doens't even have a sexual root - it comes from an old very to hit, or strike |
| 00:32.59 | gravity | Arafangion: darcs is very nice |
| 00:33.04 | gravity | Although I don't use it myself |
| 00:33.05 | Guerin | s/very/verb/ |
| 00:33.10 | gravity | It's supposed to be very slow, although speeding up |
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| 00:33.18 | Arafangion | gravity, I can't live with slow. |
| 00:33.22 | soymilk | paulswm: but if you did not know the meaning of bloody and said it or heard it, would it be profanity? |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: i'm really not sure revision control is what you want to do .. but it could be used for it .. like i said . i'm still voting for rsync |
| 00:33.28 | beardy | Guerin: For fucks sake, is to swear. |
| 00:33.34 | Guerin | azeem: cursing also has a very sepcific meaning, along the lines of profanity, but more explicitly wishing ill upon someone |
| 00:33.37 | gravity | Arafangion: Ok, git and mercurial. svn isn't too slow, but it's not distributed either. |
| 00:33.39 | Malagmyr | I know this is not on topic, but someone in here might know anyway... What is the easiest, windows-based ftp client in the world? I have a nitwit user who needs something that's just as simple as the explorer.exe built-in ftp client without being the explorer.exe built-in ftp client, which is disabled by his administrator. |
| 00:33.40 | abrotman | beardy: curse .. not swear .. as is paulswm's point |
| 00:33.44 | Arafangion | I'm actually thinking of setting up a fam-based custom system. |
| 00:33.45 | Dewi | paulswm: I've never heard that etymology before |
| 00:33.54 | azeem | Guerin: dude, I got better things to do than playing etymological word games with you |
| 00:33.54 | paulswm | soymilk: I don't know, that's an interesting question. I suppose profanity is in the intent :) |
| 00:33.55 | abrotman | Malagmyr: use IE ? |
| 00:33.57 | Guerin | beardy: true, but you can place any noun or proto-noun in there. |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:34.02 | abrotman | duh |
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| 00:34.06 | Guerin | azeem: etymology isn't games. |
| 00:34.08 | Dewi | paulswm: actually I can find it in a list along with 5 other explanations |
| 00:34.08 | gravity | azeem: Right on |
| 00:34.15 | gravity | I should be fixing Xorg... but I hate the debconfage |
| 00:34.16 | abrotman | Malagmyr: leechftp .. filezilla .. are both good IMO |
| 00:34.26 | Malagmyr | abrotman: thanks. i'll have a look at those |
| 00:34.32 | Arafangion | gravity, The users would never commit the files if they used svn :( |
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| 00:34.40 | abrotman | Malagmyr: just so you're aware .. leechftp stopped development .. about 1999 :) |
| 00:34.44 | Arafangion | gravity, And it's too strict for an automatic system. |
| 00:35.01 | gravity | Arafangion: Why is that? |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | Malagmyr: but i still think it's very very good |
| 00:35.04 | dippo | dpkg: I have a sarge netinst CD already and it doesn't work with the SATA controller |
| 00:35.07 | Malagmyr | abrotman: so did windows98 :) |
| 00:35.10 | paulswm | Dewi: Well that's the way it is. :) Unfortunately, in this day and age, English is often used loosley, even to the extent where poepl use "electrocution" to describe a non-fatal electric shock :) |
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| 00:35.21 | abrotman | Malagmyr: my managers seem to like CuteFTP also .. but leechftp can do up to 16 threads .. which is fun! |
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| 00:35.36 | paulswm | Anyway, you all sayve a safe night/day, I'm off |
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| 00:35.40 | Arafangion | gravity, svn is very pedantic as to conflicts, etc, which for what it does, is a good thing. |
| 00:35.40 | paulswm | have* |
| 00:35.41 | mhall | abrotman: lftp? |
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| 00:35.49 | abrotman | mhall: for windows ? |
| 00:35.59 | beardy | Guerin: Yeah. Hmm, I thought "bloody" had to do with blood, interesting. |
| 00:36.04 | Arafangion | gravity, Also, svn is not (imho) mature - it deals BADLY with conflicts between different OS's, ie, case sensitivity and the like. |
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| 00:36.21 | zinx | beardy: you're thinking of the bloody british |
| 00:36.22 | mhall | abrotman: ah for _that_ you'd want GetRight or windows wget |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | Arafangion: my understanding of svn is that if the DB goes .. you're screwed |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | mhall: ftp upload i think he means |
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| 00:36.36 | falkon | where can I find the kernel source package for 2.6.11? |
| 00:36.37 | Arafangion | abrotman, Actually svn now has a file-based backend now. |
| 00:36.44 | beardy | Malagmyr: firefox |
| 00:36.45 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 00:36.48 | dippo | so I am not sure why you are suggesting that I visit http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 00:36.48 | Arafangion | abrotman, You can use either, but the file-based backend is easier to backup. |
| 00:36.52 | mhall | abrotman: uploading from windows doesn't go well usu. |
| 00:36.54 | abrotman | that's it .. you're all fired! |
| 00:36.56 | Guerin | beardy: bloody also comes from 'God's Blood' or 'Lord's Blood', or 'Sblood - another oath of the middle ages |
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| 00:37.00 | gravity | Arafangion: Interesting. I only use in a pure Debian environment, and it works well there |
| 00:37.01 | britt | hey guys what module can i use to sync my timeclock and change the timezone? |
| 00:37.08 | bcc | does anyone know of a way to get the pid of a process just started within a shell script? |
| 00:37.20 | mhall | britt: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | bcc: man bash |
| 00:37.26 | bcc | not the script itself, but something called from within it |
| 00:37.28 | mhall | britt: ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 00:37.33 | mhall | britt: tzconfig |
| 00:37.33 | britt | thx |
| 00:37.34 | abrotman | bcc: or ask #bash |
| 00:37.37 | mhall | britt: hwclock --systohc |
| 00:37.37 | bcc | abrotman: did that |
| 00:37.39 | Arafangion | gravity, Yes, you haven't had svn hang for 2 hours whenever it meets a conflict, where two files differ by case? (Such as can happen if a file changed in case) |
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| 00:37.47 | Brydian | heya |
| 00:37.54 | Dewi | Arafangion: never seen that |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | bcc: are you going to make me read the bash man page ? |
| 00:37.56 | beardy | zinx: Yes? |
| 00:38.01 | Dewi | Arafangion: but then maybe I'm careful with case |
| 00:38.07 | mhall | Arafangion: _two_ hours? wtf? |
| 00:38.10 | Arafangion | Dewi, Perhaps. |
| 00:38.11 | Dewi | Arafangion: why would it hang for hours anyway? |
| 00:38.16 | gravity | Arafangion: Not me |
| 00:38.19 | Arafangion | Dewi, Limitations of the FAT32 format. |
| 00:38.19 | muk_amd64 | so I want to install debian for a server |
| 00:38.27 | Arafangion | Dewi, On windows - it just gets *very* slow. |
| 00:38.30 | falkon | has anyone compiled a custom 2.6.11? I can't find the source anywhere |
| 00:38.35 | Dewi | Arafangion: not in my experience |
| 00:38.40 | Arafangion | Dewi, Try it. |
| 00:38.41 | Dewi | Arafangion: anyway, why using FAT32? |
| 00:38.48 | Dewi | Arafangion: I've tried it for nearly 2 years |
| 00:38.54 | Arafangion | Dewi, make two files, differing only in case, and check it out on windows. |
| 00:38.56 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; you're dealing with a filesystem that can't handle two files with the same case. not terribly surprising. |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | bcc: $! ? |
| 00:39.15 | Dewi | Arafangion: haha, oh so it's in the repo that way? ... why would you do that? |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's not right |
| 00:39.25 | cheal | falkon: yes |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe it is |
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| 00:40.11 | bcc | abrotman: i |
| 00:40.14 | bcc | abrotman: i'll check it out |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | bcc: i would ask #bash though .. they should know quickly |
| 00:40.30 | Dewi | Arafangion: so what do you think it should do in response to that? |
| 00:40.38 | bcc | abrotman: yeah, i will |
| 00:40.41 | Dewi | Arafangion: obviously it's never going to work in FAT32 |
| 00:40.43 | falkon | cheal: where did you get the source? |
| 00:40.54 | Dewi | Arafangion: sounds like a limitation of FAT32 rather than with svn |
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| 00:41.27 | falkon | cheal: i tried one .deb I found, but it gives errors that were supposedly corrected with another release, which is not in apt |
| 00:41.32 | mboso | I'm trying to set up a network load monitor, but i just found out i have no eth0. |
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| 00:41.39 | mboso | is the because i'm using dhcp? |
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| 00:41.49 | mboso | or that its a gigabit card? |
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| 00:42.04 | mboso | i have to eth* enteries in /dev |
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| 00:42.09 | mboso | to= no |
| 00:42.25 | nefertum | how could I read each line in a file using bash? |
| 00:42.33 | treach | then you presumeably have no driver loaded for your nic. |
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| 00:43.09 | mhall | nefertum: yeah ok |
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| 00:43.16 | mhall | nefertum: you need the while read construct |
| 00:43.20 | abrotman | nefertum: #bash |
| 00:43.28 | nefertum | ok abrotman |
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| 00:43.33 | mboso | treach: i do. i can see it from lsmod. very strange. |
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| 00:43.43 | mhall | nefertum: http://anton.lr2.com/archives/2005/03/23/read-a-file-with-bash/ |
| 00:44.03 | nefertum | mhall: thank you very much |
| 00:44.17 | mhall | nefertum: yeah, next time please consider googling first |
| 00:44.26 | mboso | what's the name of the command that lets you see what fils an executable is accessing? |
| 00:44.28 | doleyb | mboso: why would you have eth* in dev? what about ifconfig -a? |
| 00:44.33 | nefertum | yeah, I used it and tried a trick |
| 00:44.39 | wang | hi can anyone tell me why on debian when i run bitchx the 'bar' in bitchx looks like the following: ŔÄÄ(#debian)[+clnt] (o:2 n:685 i:0 v:0) ()ÄÄÄÄÄ BUT on windows when I ssh into the debian box using putty it looks a lot cleaner with like, solid bars and stuff? |
| 00:44.43 | doleyb | mboso: lsof |
| 00:44.43 | mhall | nefertum: although i do admit, i googled using "while read" as well as bash |
| 00:44.45 | nefertum | but it didnt work |
| 00:44.48 | mhall | nefertum: so it might not have worked |
| 00:44.52 | beardy | !wiui |
| 00:44.52 | dpkg | What Is Using It? When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' to see which process and user that is using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 00:44.53 | Seb | hmm, I just uploaded a new version of one of my packages, and the .changes file contained: "Closes: 280017 321710". Somehow this seems to have only closed the 2nd one, but not the 1st one... What am I missing ? |
| 00:45.06 | mhall | wang: probably you have got a unicode locale or something |
| 00:45.10 | Seb | wrong chan |
| 00:45.12 | Guerin | wang: $TERM or charset issues |
| 00:45.18 | mhall | wang: and the settings on your debian box are not the sam as in win |
| 00:45.19 | mboso | doleyb: I don't really need an eth* file per se. i just need to know what file to pass to my network monitor |
| 00:45.24 | falkon | mhall: you helped me out last time. Do you know anything about kernel-source-2.6.11, specifically where to find it |
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| 00:45.43 | mboso | doleyb: ifconfig -a says i have eth0 and lo configured and running. |
| 00:45.50 | wang | mhall: well it looks normal when i'm sshing in, how can I make debian do the same? |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | falkon: linux-source perhaps ? |
| 00:46.01 | doleyb | mboso: ifconfig -a tells things that are non-configured and non-running, as well. |
| 00:46.11 | wang | Guerin: how can I fix it? |
| 00:46.22 | falkon | abrotman: that's for .12, which doesn't seem to be handling my audio drivers correctly |
| 00:46.38 | mhall | falkon: that's sort of a tricky one but i'll see what's to be done |
| 00:46.38 | mboso | doleyb: i see. only eth0 and lo showed up. very very strange. |
| 00:46.45 | doleyb | mboso: so when ifconfig -a shows it, that means your netcard driver is loaded. now either give it an ip address, or run dhcp client. |
| 00:46.48 | Guerin | wang: dpkg-reconfigure locales might work |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | falkon: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:47.29 | wang | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.36 | wang | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 00:47.46 | beardy | wang: as root |
| 00:47.47 | mboso | doleyb: the thing is, my internet works fine. i'm using it to type this right now. i'm just not sure how its working without eth0 |
| 00:48.10 | doleyb | mboso: so does "ifconfig" (no -a) also show your eth0? If so, then what are you trying to do? |
| 00:48.14 | falkon | abrotman: so is 2.6.12 the one used now, then? why is it called linux-source rather than kernel-source? |
| 00:48.20 | mhall | falkon: alright you'll have to try snapshot or go to ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
| 00:48.20 | wang | Guerin: what should I change it to? |
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| 00:48.43 | beardy | falkon: The name has changed. Because that's what it is, the linux source code. |
| 00:48.46 | abrotman | falkon: which where what ? |
| 00:48.46 | doleyb | mboso: are you looking for /dev/eth* because somebody told you "Everything is a file", and you believed it? |
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| 00:48.54 | mhall | beardy: wrong answer |
| 00:49.00 | mhall | beardy: that's only half the story |
| 00:49.01 | mboso | doleyb: basicaly :-) |
| 00:49.04 | abrotman | mhall: snapshot.d.n |
| 00:49.08 | beardy | mhall: Do better than. |
| 00:49.09 | mhall | abrotman: already told him |
| 00:49.17 | mhall | beardy: i'm going to but had to answer abrotman |
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| 00:49.33 | mhall | beardy: now the other half of the story is, what kernel rels are officially supported |
| 00:49.40 | cheal | falkon: in a debian repository |
| 00:49.41 | beardy | mhall: How can something that's half the correct answer be wrong. |
| 00:49.42 | mboso | doleyb: i'm just trying to figure out what to pass my network load monitor. normally that would be /dev/eth0. its not there, so i'm a little confused. |
| 00:49.47 | falkon | mhall: all I know is that I installed the 2.6.12 and I couldn't get my audio drivers to work again |
| 00:49.47 | mhall | beardy: unstable dumps older kernel rels as new 2.4.xx and 2.6.xx come out |
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| 00:49.56 | abrotman | falkon: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/06/18/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.11/ .. roughlyt |
| 00:49.56 | doleyb | mboso: what is your "network load monitor"? |
| 00:50.04 | mhall | beardy: so in this particular case the reason it couldn't be found is not the name change |
| 00:50.10 | beardy | mhall: I'm waiting. |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | falkon: there are multiple versions of 2.6.11 .. so that may not be right |
| 00:50.17 | mboso | doleby: its a little icon that shows how much network traffic i have. |
| 00:50.18 | mhall | beardy: but because of the de-supporting of the given kernel release |
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| 00:50.29 | Guerin | wang: something your terminal emulator supports |
| 00:50.50 | mhall | beardy: sorry i can only type finitely quickly; a little patience is appreciated |
| 00:50.54 | falkon | abrotman: would it be more prudent to build a 2.6.12? I tried it with the image and I couldnt' get my exaudio drivers working |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | falkon: no idea what your real problem is |
| 00:51.09 | mhall | falkon: which audio driver do you use |
| 00:51.15 | mhall | falkon: and what did it not do properly |
| 00:51.25 | wang | mhall: what do you suggest I try to change the locales to to make BitchX look normal |
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| 00:51.36 | abrotman | wang: stop using bitchx .. use irssi |
| 00:51.44 | wang | abrotman : no thanks =P |
| 00:51.50 | falkon | mhall: exadudio.ko, and how could I have done anything wrong? the instructions are as follows "make" and "insmod exaudio.ko" |
| 00:51.54 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, Well, suppose for some reason that the file case got changed - which can easily happen in case insensitive systems. |
| 00:51.54 | abrotman | wang: then don't complain about your crappy irc client :) |
| 00:52.08 | mhall | falkon: what happened when you tried it |
| 00:52.08 | falkon | mhall: it works with OSS and ALSA in this kernel |
| 00:52.14 | mhall | wang: i suggest you quit using bitchx |
| 00:52.16 | wang | abrotman: that's a matter of opinion, the client looks fine, it's whatevers causing this appearance that's my problem |
| 00:52.19 | falkon | mhall: I honestly don't remember. |
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| 00:52.23 | wang | err it works fine |
| 00:52.26 | mhall | wang: it uses pretty broken characters to draw itself |
| 00:52.29 | beardy | mhall: "why is it called linux-source rather than kernel-source?" |
| 00:52.40 | beardy | mhall: or, why has the name changed? |
| 00:52.46 | kalium | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:52.49 | abrotman | wang: bad chars ? |
| 00:52.52 | falkon | mhall: what I do remember is that after switching to .12, half my stuff didn't work |
| 00:52.56 | Arafangion__ | Wierd, server crashed. |
| 00:52.57 | mhall | beardy: but he also asked why particular versions were or weren't available |
| 00:52.57 | rookmoot | sh: infobash: command not found |
| 00:53.02 | Dewi | Arafangion__: only if somebody was silly enough to commit it |
| 00:53.08 | mhall | beardy: but you are right i was overbroad in saying you weren't correct |
| 00:53.20 | falkon | mhall: errors in UHCI, errors with bluetooth, no sound, had to recompile nvidia drivers |
| 00:53.20 | kalium | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.21 | mhall | beardy: because it wasn't clear in the shuffle which question it was that you addressed |
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| 00:53.27 | nekostar | yay |
| 00:53.27 | mhall | beardy: so i'm sorry about that |
| 00:53.28 | Dewi | Arafangion__: obviously the 2 hour thing is a bug |
| 00:53.30 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, You seem to lack an experience of typical users. |
| 00:53.33 | rookmoot | sh: infobash: command not found |
| 00:53.33 | wang | abrotman: it looks normal when I ssh from a windows box with putty and resume screen, it's just stripping whatever color coding it typically uses to draw it's interface |
| 00:53.38 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, But yes, 2 hours is a bug - in windows. |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | kalium: ? |
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| 00:53.48 | wang | abrotman: thus Guerin suggested changing locales but i don't know what to change it to. |
| 00:53.48 | beardy | mhall: Ok, no problem. |
| 00:53.50 | mhall | falkon: yeah you always have to rebuild NV drivers when you change kernels |
| 00:53.50 | Dewi | Arafangion__: I just can't see it coming up often |
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| 00:54.05 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, No, just often enough to make me not want to use it for this particular situation. |
| 00:54.06 | falkon | mhall: i got those working |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | wang: but ssh from a linux box works ? |
| 00:54.17 | falkon | mhall: I don't know how to fix anything else. |
| 00:54.22 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.25 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, If it were a group of programmers, I'd enforce svn, but these are office staff and secretaries. |
| 00:54.25 | mhall | falkon: as for UHCI and bluetooth that might be a transient development glitch |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | wang: have you tried mucking with the term emulation with putty ? |
| 00:54.32 | nekostar | hrm ok then on to installing some of the packages! |
| 00:54.44 | mhall | Arafangion__: what platform are their workstations |
| 00:54.47 | Dewi | Arafangion__: so basically if people are careless and forget the limitations of their own operating system, svn fails to fish them out of their own trap? |
| 00:54.54 | falkon | mhall: let me find it in messages real quick |
| 00:55.05 | mhall | !tell falkon about paste |
| 00:55.05 | lnxnt | what is the new java version, 1.5 or 2.5 ?? |
| 00:55.06 | Dewi | Arafangion__: it just doesn't sound like a serious failing of svn |
| 00:55.07 | wang | abrotman: it looks fine WITH sshing from a windows box, it looks bare when i resume screen at the physical terminal |
| 00:55.21 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, It is not a serious failing, indeed. |
| 00:55.21 | soymilk | is anyone else's lynx fucked up? the STARTFILE directive in lynx.cfg appears to not be working correctly |
| 00:55.36 | mhall | wang: that's because SSH and the terminal are not in the same locale / box drawing character rendering mode |
| 00:55.40 | wang | abrotman: ŔÄÄ(#debian)[+clnt] (o:2 n:684 i:0 v:0) ()ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŮ <---example of what I see now, when i ssh into this box from windows it looks colorful and otherwise pleasing on the eye |
| 00:55.44 | mhall | wang: bitchx should know better |
| 00:55.45 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, Essentially, it can be quite hard to fix, usually people do a fresh checkout if it's just a rename. |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | wang: oh .. i wonder if the term EMU is bad |
| 00:55.54 | mhall | wang: your characters are corrupt on my UTF8 system |
| 00:55.57 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.00 | mhall | wang: not so for those drawn by irssi |
| 00:56.04 | nekostar | someone told me to install fbdesk |
| 00:56.07 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, I prefer to check it out on a unix system and check for conflicts via scripts. |
| 00:56.16 | Guerin | i blame bitchx |
| 00:56.21 | nekostar | but i seem to not know where the package is... or at least its not listed in my sources... |
| 00:56.24 | beardy | wang: as abrotman suggested, have a look at putty's settings, under "Translation". |
| 00:56.26 | mhall | Arafangion__: what platform are the workstations |
| 00:56.29 | Dewi | Arafangion__: I'd actually be quite surprised if I'd never done a case rename of a file in windows with svn |
| 00:56.34 | Arafangion__ | mhall, Windows. |
| 00:56.43 | wang | alright let me see if wine will run it |
| 00:56.50 | mhall | Arafangion__: ok; please consider using a graphical client like Tortoise CVS |
| 00:57.00 | nekostar | i only have testing main for my etch sources... arnt there other 'genre' of sources to add in? |
| 00:57.00 | Dewi | Arafangion__: incidentally are you talking about command line or tortoise? |
| 00:57.31 | Arafangion__ | mhall, Unfortunately, the users here will not use it. If I require that they use a graphical client, or whatever, they'll just simply not commit changes. |
| 00:57.33 | Dewi | mhall: it's tortoisesvn when it's svn |
| 00:57.45 | Dewi | Arafangion__: so they're non-technical users who refuse to use a GUI? |
| 00:57.48 | mhall | Dewi: my mistake |
| 00:58.00 | Dewi | Arafangion__: in windows. |
| 00:58.03 | mhall | Arafangion__: where are you located geographically |
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| 00:58.12 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, They're non-technical users who only care about putting files away in the filing cabinet, typing letters, etc. |
| 00:58.16 | Arafangion__ | mhall, Australia. |
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| 00:58.34 | Dewi | Arafangion__: so wouldn't tortoise - integrated as it is into explorer.exe - be more likely to be used by them? |
| 00:58.37 | mhall | Arafangion__: perhaps we can assemble a crew of angry administrators willing to give them a thorough larting |
| 00:58.58 | mhall | Arafangion__: we'd of course also arrange to give you an apparently severe larting so that it would not appear to be an inside job |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | wang: putty is in Debian also |
| 00:59.24 | mhall | abrotman: wrong solution to wrong problem in this case however |
| 00:59.31 | soymilk | lynx apparently can no longer open html files |
| 00:59.31 | mhall | abrotman: the real problem is that bitchx is shit |
| 00:59.34 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, They'd see the files and assume that other people can see them. |
| 00:59.42 | beardy | wang: wasn't the issue from a win32 putty to your debian box? |
| 00:59.42 | mhall | soymilk: oof |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | mhall: i know that .. you know that .. he just won't accept it :) |
| 00:59.52 | mhall | Arafangion__: what about MS office version control |
| 01:00.01 | nekostar | soymilk: i like links better personally :) |
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| 01:00.03 | Dewi | Arafangion__: and why wouldn't that happen with the command line client? |
| 01:00.03 | wang | interesting |
| 01:00.06 | mhall | abrotman: somewhat like certain americans and evolution |
| 01:00.07 | Dewi | Arafangion__: since it's a lot *more difficult* to see? |
| 01:00.20 | nekostar | and i really like that bananna flavored soymilk >_> |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | mhall: hard to believe oyu've evolved at all :) |
| 01:00.21 | mhall | beardy: no it worked in putty but not in console |
| 01:00.22 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, The point is that they simply won't do it. |
| 01:00.23 | Dewi | Arafangion__: are you actually talking about webdav access or something? |
| 01:00.27 | mhall | beardy: because bitchx is broken |
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| 01:00.31 | wang | beardy: no the problem is when i use bitchx locally |
| 01:00.32 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, samba access, yes. |
| 01:00.36 | dippo | beardy: why did you tell me to get the sarge netinstaller? |
| 01:00.40 | beardy | mhall: I also know that ;) |
| 01:00.41 | Dewi | Arafangion__: explain why they'd be less likely to do it with the shell extension than with CLI |
| 01:00.44 | abrotman | wang: TBH .. i'd be interested to know if irssi has the same issue |
| 01:00.46 | soymilk | i have blank.html with just <html> </html> tags in it. then "lynx blank.html" gives me a download dialogue asking about microsoft content. |
| 01:00.46 | beardy | dippo: Because you asked for it. |
| 01:00.51 | dippo | I did? |
| 01:00.57 | Dewi | Arafangion__: um... you're checking out onto a samba share? |
| 01:01.00 | wang | abrotman: it doesn't |
| 01:01.06 | mhall | abrotman: that's a bit of a non sequitur |
| 01:01.15 | Dewi | Arafangion__: that sounds like a bad idea right off |
| 01:01.21 | Dewi | Arafangion__: no wonder you're getting locking problems |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | wang: but somehow .. everything except bitchx is broken? :) |
| 01:01.27 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, I am not having lockign problems. |
| 01:01.35 | Dewi | Arafangion__: what else would cause hours of waiting in windows? |
| 01:01.49 | mhall | Dewi: the locking problems are brought on by the non POSIX compliance of windows file systems |
| 01:01.50 | beardy | dippo: "< dippo> is it possible to install sarge with the beta etch installer?" "< dippo> the etch installer has ata_piix, but i want sarge" and so on |
| 01:02.01 | falkon | mhall: the errors are so weird; I think I'll stick to compiling 2.6.11 |
| 01:02.08 | wang | abrotman: bitchx's functionality is fine, it has been for me for the past 8 years, i find it funny you'd rather have me use an application you prefer other than helping me with my problem. |
| 01:02.11 | mhall | falkon: that's a little overly dramatic |
| 01:02.16 | falkon | mhall: I'm looking at my messages |
| 01:02.17 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, Please don't argue with me. I know what I want, and you know what you *think* I want. |
| 01:02.25 | mhall | falkon: if you don't post the errors some place we can't especially help |
| 01:02.26 | falkon | mhall: no, it looks genuinely pooched |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | mhall: your sarcasm meter is broken :) |
| 01:02.33 | soymilk | ok. maybe someone cursed my machine. i installed links. ran it. the console is hung at a blank screen. |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | wang: i have tried to help you .. i just asked if irssi had the same problem |
| 01:02.42 | Dewi | Arafangion__: all I know is that you're bashing a product for "immaturity" which you seem not to know how to use |
| 01:02.47 | beardy | wang: What have you done the previous 8 years that you are not doing now? If it worked fine before? |
| 01:02.47 | mhall | abrotman: no that's just how i respond to most random commentary |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | wang: i said to check the putty settings |
| 01:02.53 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, I'm not bashing it. |
| 01:02.56 | Dewi | Arafangion__: all we can do in #debian is attempt to solve your problem |
| 01:02.57 | wang | beardy: i've been using shells |
| 01:03.04 | mhall | abrotman: by pointing out that's it's random just in case the person who said it didn't already know |
| 01:03.07 | mhall | abrotman: and in the case that they did |
| 01:03.08 | dippo | beardy: yes. the sarge installer's kernel does not have an ata_piix driver that supports the controller in my server |
| 01:03.11 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, Just merely mentioned that I am not using it because I feel that it is not mature enough for me;. |
| 01:03.16 | mhall | abrotman: my goal is to annoy them by reaffirming it |
| 01:03.31 | mhall | abrotman: which in this case worked at least enough to get you to reply |
| 01:03.46 | mhall | falkon: why not just try 2.6.14 |
| 01:04.01 | dippo | which is why I was asking if anyone knew of a 3rd party installer for sarge that might have it |
| 01:04.03 | mhall | falkon: it seems to work right, and i heard between 11 and 14 was a bit ugly |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | mhall: okeedokee |
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| 01:04.23 | abrotman | wang: do you have another linux box locally ? |
| 01:04.26 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, btw, I use svn on a regular basis, I just cannot see how I can get this particular group of users to use it. |
| 01:04.29 | eeyore- | mhall: you know that comment could have been taken out of context :-) |
| 01:04.38 | abrotman | !tell dippo about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | !tell dippo about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 01:04.47 | abrotman | dippo: both unofficial .. use at your own risk |
| 01:04.52 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, Also, I'm the kid of the boss, which makes bringing out policies and the like impossible. |
| 01:04.54 | beardy | dippo: To me it sounded like you wanted to use the installer for etch to install sarge. Perhaps I misunderstood. |
| 01:04.56 | dippo | awesome, thanks |
| 01:04.56 | eeyore- | mhall: i happen to glance at this screen after having been away for some time and i thought you were talking about something else "between 11 and 14" :-) |
| 01:05.17 | mhall | eeyore-: hmm, it can be for sure |
| 01:05.23 | falkon | mhall: where do you find .14? |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | dippo: it's the sarge installer with a newer kernel .. it may not work at all for you |
| 01:05.29 | wang | i figured it out, it's this script loaded with bitchx. |
| 01:05.30 | mhall | eeyore-: but not in a way that makes me seem to be chester the mollester |
| 01:05.31 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 01:05.36 | mhall | eeyore-: so i suppose it's acceptable |
| 01:05.37 | falkon | mhall: I just did an update, and it's not in apt |
| 01:05.37 | eeyore- | mhall: haha |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | wang: really ? |
| 01:05.42 | wang | abrotman: yes |
| 01:05.44 | dippo | worth a try |
| 01:05.48 | Dewi | Arafangion__: it's pretty hard to make non-technical people use a version control in any sensible way. |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | wang: can we kind of have a chuckle now ? :) |
| 01:05.54 | wang | abrotman: i changed the 'theme' to bitchx and it looks fine |
| 01:05.56 | mhall | falkon: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.14.tar.bz2 |
| 01:06.01 | Dewi | Arafangion__: svn has some new webdav mode where it's mostly automatic / transparent, apparently |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | wang: so the theme isn't UTF compliant ? |
| 01:06.09 | Dewi | Arafangion__: but I don't know much about it |
| 01:06.17 | mhall | !zoosmite wang |
| 01:06.18 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, wang loves the zoo! |
| 01:06.24 | Arafangion__ | Dewi, But, I want to use a mature product. "some new mode" that hsa not been tested is not good enough. |
| 01:06.33 | beardy | abrotman: or the other way around, the theme wants to use utf-8, but his console isn't. |
| 01:06.33 | loopdee | what are all these entries in messages log " localhost -- MARK -- so many in a row and my systems seems to be frocen.. |
| 01:06.34 | mhall | wang: all that fucking complaining and it actually was a bitchx problem |
| 01:06.46 | wang | abrotman: i don't know, this is a relatively popular script for bitchx, i might have it configured incorrectly |
| 01:06.54 | wang | i forgot I had a script loaded with it heh |
| 01:07.00 | mhall | wang: it pisses me off when people act like you just did |
| 01:07.05 | mhall | wang: not that you care or anything |
| 01:07.06 | abrotman | wang: dunno if there's a bitchx channel . might be worth a shot |
| 01:07.09 | wang | mhall: complaining? I thought this was a help channel |
| 01:07.12 | mhall | wang: just thought i would notify you |
| 01:07.15 | wang | mahall: here's a spoon, eat my ass you petulant fuck |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | wang: no .. insisting that it wasn't bitchx :) |
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| 01:07.26 | falkon | mhall: I'd really like to use something packged for debian, as I haven't really traveled outside that releam |
| 01:07.34 | wang | abrotman: it wasn't bitchx, it was the script |
| 01:07.34 | falkon | mhall: err relm |
| 01:07.42 | mhall | insults work better when you spell the target's nickname properly |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | wang: it's ok .. it happens .. you like bitchx . everyone defends thier favorite apps vigorously :) |
| 01:07.49 | Arafangion__ | Anyway, I'm off. |
| 01:07.51 | mhall | falkon: but about kernel source code |
| 01:08.00 | Dewi | Arafangion__: see you |
| 01:08.03 | Arafangion__ | Cya Dewi :) |
| 01:08.06 | mhall | falkon: the debian kernel source is the same file that you get from the official kernel site |
| 01:08.10 | Dewi | Arafangion__: good luck with those receptionists etc |
| 01:08.19 | mhall | falkon: debian downloads it from kernel.org |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | mhall: and then patches it |
| 01:08.34 | falkon | mhall: if it builds the same way as the debian one, and utilizes the make-kpkg the same way, I'm in |
| 01:08.44 | mhall | falkon: yeah it can be built with make kpkg |
| 01:09.04 | falkon | mhall: will it build my modules and whatnot in the same way? |
| 01:09.09 | mhall | falkon: yes |
| 01:09.15 | falkon | mhall: i'm in then |
| 01:09.21 | eheil | Hey guy |
| 01:09.22 | mhall | falkon: make kpkg has always worked on official kernel source |
| 01:09.24 | dimm0k | is it possible to manipulate an iso image under linux? |
| 01:09.25 | eheil | ops./ |
| 01:09.26 | beardy | falkon: kernel.org sources works fine with make-kpkg, but kernel.org sources and debian sources are NOT the same. Debian pathes the source tree, use the debian source if you can get it. |
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| 01:09.43 | mhall | beardy: the debian patches usually make the kernel worse, not better |
| 01:09.43 | beardy | dimm0k: Yes. |
| 01:09.56 | beardy | mhall: That's a matter of opinion. |
| 01:10.00 | mhall | distro kernels are the WORST. KERNELS. EVAR. |
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| 01:10.12 | abrotman | mhall: that's not the point .. you told him they were the same .. and they aren't |
| 01:10.13 | falkon | mhall: what is better or worse? |
| 01:10.16 | gravity | I've used them fine for years |
| 01:10.28 | mhall | abrotman: i apologize for the error |
| 01:10.32 | mhall | falkon: here's the problem |
| 01:10.34 | falkon | okay, better question |
| 01:10.40 | mhall | falkon: when you have a patched distro kernel |
| 01:10.49 | TNKS | hi all. I'd like to adjust my PATH variable. This seems to be defined a number of places. I was hoping to go to root of the these definitions and define it in /etc/login.defs, but it's not taking. Is /etc/login.defs not the place to it? |
| 01:10.54 | mhall | falkon: the people developing third party stuff like nv drivers and your sound card |
| 01:10.56 | dimm0k | beardy, so i just mount the iso image as rw? |
| 01:11.04 | mhall | falkon: they develop for the original kernel.org kernel |
| 01:11.12 | mhall | dimm0k: no this doesn't work |
| 01:11.13 | loopdee | is there a reason for many many entries "localhost -- MARK -- " in /var/log/messages? |
| 01:11.23 | beardy | mhall: That's also an opinion, and we don't want to asnwer "help Iäm compiling a kernel without a clue, and it hangs" all the time, therefore the kernelimages are very good. (though that's an opinion too, mine) |
| 01:11.25 | mhall | dimm0k: you can't edit ISOs by mounting rw. rw is not supported |
| 01:11.29 | Dewi | loopdee: sounds like a regular mark to visualise the passage of time |
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| 01:11.38 | mhall | beardy: yes i agree images are great when they work |
| 01:11.48 | mhall | beardy: but this gent must compile out-of-tree drivers |
| 01:11.53 | loopdee | Dewi: ok |
| 01:11.59 | dimm0k | mhall, any idea how to go about editing an iso image? |
| 01:12.06 | mhall | falkon: also, the experts on kernel problems all use base kernel.org kernels |
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| 01:12.09 | loopdee | seems to be every 20 min |
| 01:12.11 | falkon | beardy: I've already compiled before, the problem is a firmware driver in the 2.6.11 source that I got, which was fixed in later releases of the same package |
| 01:12.12 | beardy | dimm0k: Yes. |
| 01:12.12 | wang | this is much better |
| 01:12.21 | mhall | dimm0k: it's not a fun job. is the iso special in some way, like bootable etc |
| 01:12.48 | chealer | mhall, isn't nv an X driver? |
| 01:12.51 | beardy | falkon: Yes, I wasn't referring to you. |
| 01:13.00 | mhall | chealer: the nvidia driver is part X part kernel |
| 01:13.02 | falkon | mhall: better question: is the 2.6.12 source package "debian source" |
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| 01:13.05 | mhall | chealer: i should have spelt it out |
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| 01:13.19 | LoneWlf | Hey all, I need some help with my MBR |
| 01:13.22 | mhall | falkon: it probably would be eventually or it might have been at one time |
| 01:13.27 | falkon | beardy: I hear ya. I have no idea how they can release kernel source that can't work though |
| 01:13.29 | chealer | mhall, ah, yeah, in this case, spelling matters :) |
| 01:13.31 | dimm0k | mhall, yes... a bootable image |
| 01:13.36 | mhall | falkon: which kernel versions get debian sourced are a little weird |
| 01:13.37 | LoneWlf | It's a bit messed up right now as I tried to remove my GRUB bootloader with fdisk /mbr |
| 01:13.39 | mhall | dimm0k: i had this problem too |
| 01:13.41 | eheil | Hey guys, do anyone know if SeLinux has been integrated into unstable or sid? |
| 01:13.50 | mhall | dimm0k: because it's a bitch to copy out the files and rebuild |
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| 01:14.05 | mhall | dimm0k: so i'll tell you what i did. i'm not at all proud but it's the only decent way |
| 01:14.10 | mhall | dimm0k: what i did was |
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| 01:14.17 | falkon | mhall: so what IS the difference between a debian source tarball out of a kernel-source package and a tarball from kernel.org? |
| 01:14.18 | mhall | dimm0k: i used wine and the ultraiso windows iso editor |
| 01:14.19 | gravity | eheil: unstable is sid, and it's in progress |
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| 01:14.24 | gravity | eheil: Many of the packages do support it |
| 01:14.33 | mhall | dimm0k: because days and days of googling revealed there was no linux cd image editor |
| 01:14.37 | gravity | eheil: I'm not sure how much work it takes to set up though. It's not installed by default. |
| 01:14.46 | mhall | dimm0k: and then i added my files using ultraiso and resaved the image |
| 01:14.54 | falkon | abrotman: so what IS the difference between a debian source tarball out of a kernel-source package and a tarball from kernel.org? |
| 01:15.02 | mhall | falkon: ok the only difference is debian source has some patches applied |
| 01:15.13 | TNKS | hmm. . . su seems to apply to su. Didn't realize that. |
| 01:15.44 | mhall | falkon: but since these patches are not a standard part of the kernel they cause trouble if you try to compile custom drivers |
| 01:15.44 | mhall | falkon: this is why i'm dead set against distros patching kernels |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | falkon: it was explained to you |
| 01:15.49 | mhall | falkon: i've not seen a single case where it made anything work better |
| 01:15.49 | beardy | dimm0k: Have you tried just mounting it, and add/change what you need? |
| 01:15.50 | falkon | mhall: I see. What would I lose by using a non-official source? |
| 01:15.54 | mhall | beardy: you can't |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | falkon: patches .. if ytou want oto know which .. you can find out from packages.debian.org .. or /usr/share/doc/ |
| 01:16.01 | beardy | mhall: why? |
| 01:16.03 | mhall | beardy: loop mounting ISOs doesn't allow rw |
| 01:16.06 | dimm0k | mhall, hehe, so you had to use a windows solution... at least you used wine |
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| 01:16.12 | mhall | beardy: i tried to do it before resorting to a windows tool |
| 01:16.20 | paolob | Hi guys. When I use skype with my debian, it "steals" the sound, and even when I exit skype I haven't sound any more. How could I recover sound without restarting the gnome session? |
| 01:16.23 | mhall | beardy: maybe you can do it and i fucked up; i'll try again right now |
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| 01:16.31 | falkon | abrotman: I'm just wondering if something integrated would suddenly not work |
| 01:16.37 | starscalling | yay |
| 01:16.40 | starscalling | etch flux gui here i am!! |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | falkon: integrated where ? |
| 01:16.59 | beardy | mhall: Just mount and copy everything, and att new things to the directory, and making a new iso then? |
| 01:17.02 | falkon | abrotman: whatever debian source patches |
| 01:17.08 | beardy | s/att/add |
| 01:17.13 | ArtVandalae | I've heard there's going to be a Admin app (like YaST and Adminmenu, etc) for Debian, is this true? And is so, where can I find more info? |
| 01:17.14 | mhall | beardy: mv: cannot move `dd_rescue' to `rescue_dd': Read-only file system |
| 01:17.22 | mhall | beardy: yeah the ISO has special bootable magic on it |
| 01:17.26 | abrotman | falkon: i'm sure ti's possible .. but iirc .. the stuff you have broken is pretty common iirc |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 01:17.31 | mhall | beardy: so regenerating with mkisofs would be miserable |
| 01:17.38 | mhall | dimm0k: seriously it's not a pretty fix |
| 01:17.52 | mhall | dimm0k: but it's faster than trying to figure out how to generate a proper iso boot sector |
| 01:18.03 | mhall | dimm0k: cause there's 10 billion kinds and it always fucks up |
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| 01:18.23 | mhall | dimm0k: if you just use ultraiso in wine it only edits the part you need to edit and leaves the rest alone |
| 01:18.40 | mhall | dimm0k: i had to do it to fix a knoppix image up with some h4x0r tools i needed asap to fix a dying drive |
| 01:18.56 | mhall | anyways fuck it |
| 01:18.58 | mhall | g2g2 dinner |
| 01:18.58 | mhall | cya |
| 01:19.17 | ArtVandalae | abrotman, I mean a graphical one. I remember reading it's going to be a mix of GNOME-utils, and YaST or something. And it's going to be independent of DEs |
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| 01:19.55 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: oh .. uhm .. no idea .. i heard rumors about trying to port yast .. but i don't know what came of it |
| 01:19.59 | beardy | ArtVandalae: I surely hope not.. |
| 01:20.03 | gravity | ArtVandalae: I haven't seen anything like that |
| 01:20.05 | dimm0k | mhall, yeah i know what you mean... i gave the idea of making a custom boot image a try a while back and ended up in frustration and messed up CDs |
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| 01:20.14 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: gravity http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:20.18 | gravity | ArtVandalae: YaST is set to go in to the archive, but I don't think anyone put any serious work in to it |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | beardy: ^ |
| 01:20.29 | gravity | It was supposed to go in ages ago |
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| 01:21.21 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: maybe some GUI tools too .. but i don't know where |
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| 01:21.31 | psyl0n | tux guardian |
| 01:21.33 | psyl0n | ? |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:21.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:22.04 | gravity | There is configure-debian, but it's not that full featured |
| 01:22.05 | psyl0n | o yeah |
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| 01:22.14 | ArtVandalae | I think I found it, it's called Debian Control Center (DCC): http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/dcc/ |
| 01:22.20 | gravity | Since it's 100% dependant on what the packages themselves do in their debconf scripts |
| 01:22.30 | gravity | HAHAHAHAHA. DCC. Nice acronym. |
| 01:22.38 | ArtVandalae | :P |
| 01:22.43 | starscalling | ok i have the default sources in for etch, but thats just main/testing or so |
| 01:22.54 | Alexandre | #debian-br |
| 01:22.55 | starscalling | i was wondering what else i put in as sources or can.. |
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| 01:23.37 | b3nw | having an issue with read only file system would some 1 mind taking a quick look at my paste: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1180 ? |
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| 01:23.37 | gravity | ArtVandalae: Check out the CVS repo. That thing hasn't seen a commit in 3 years |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | starscalling: why muck it up .. if it works .. wait til you need something not there .. |
| 01:23.43 | gravity | I'd say that's a defunct project |
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| 01:23.46 | ArtVandalae | :\ |
| 01:23.48 | abrotman | yeah .. DCC died a long time ago |
| 01:23.56 | starscalling | i do need something abrotman |
| 01:24.01 | abrotman | starscalling: ? |
| 01:24.03 | starscalling | i need rtorrent and a few other packages |
| 01:24.16 | starscalling | considering if i need java this time around though... trying to keep away from it |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | !info rtorrent etch |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | !tell starscalling about install java |
| 01:24.28 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.3.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 149 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | starscalling: rtorrent should already be there |
| 01:24.44 | starscalling | o: |
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| 01:25.06 | b3nw | having an issue with read only file system would some 1 mind taking a quick look at my paste: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1180 ? |
| 01:25.07 | starscalling | ok let me go looking again before i open my big mouth >_< sorry |
| 01:25.18 | beardy | !repeat |
| 01:25.18 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:25.47 | abrotman | b3nw: paste /etc/mtab ? |
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| 01:25.55 | b3nw | sec |
| 01:26.19 | b3nw | updated: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1181 |
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| 01:26.57 | b3nw | EXT3-fs error (device sda3) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted < floods my dmesg |
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| 01:27.11 | starscalling | one other question though: should i be using en_us or en_us utf-8 ? |
| 01:27.17 | falkon | mhall: take a look at this for me |
| 01:27.17 | britt | how do i boot to runlevel one from GRUB |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | starscalling: that's your call |
| 01:27.38 | falkon | mhall: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1182 |
| 01:27.50 | starscalling | ok guess ill just try one and see how we do :P thanx |
| 01:27.56 | deb-rolo | hello all |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | falkon: how did you do that ? |
| 01:28.09 | deb-rolo | i cant get my X-server to start |
| 01:28.21 | falkon | abrotman: simple as apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | deb-rolo: why not? |
| 01:28.26 | deb-rolo | ... well it does start, but my screen turns black |
| 01:28.35 | deb-rolo | it displays nothing |
| 01:28.41 | britt | anybody? |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | falkon: check the bts ? |
| 01:28.50 | dimm0k | mhall, am i going to be able to edit an image with ultraiso without having to purchase first? |
| 01:28.52 | deb-rolo | i can use plain debian, but not X |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | deb-rolo: look for EE or WW lines in your X log |
| 01:29.02 | abrotman | deb-rolo: EE lines suck more :) |
| 01:29.02 | falkon | abrotman: sorry, the what? |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | !btssmite falkon |
| 01:29.23 | beardy | deb-rolo: "plain debian" ? |
| 01:29.28 | deb-rolo | abrotman, where should a default installation should place that file ? |
| 01:29.30 | deb-rolo | do you know |
| 01:29.33 | deb-rolo | its sarge distro |
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| 01:30.13 | gravity | deb-rolo: Can you put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log in a pastebin? |
| 01:30.39 | deb-rolo | ok, will get into that, i need to boot my debian pc |
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| 01:30.58 | falkon | abrotman: the bugs site isn't doing my any good, no bugs listed for exaudio |
| 01:31.13 | falkon | abrotman: I don't know where to start with that problem |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | deb-rolo: /var/log probably |
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| 01:32.13 | abrotman | b3nw: your error is probably pretty bad .. try googling the error |
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| 01:33.08 | abrotman | falkon: what's the mobo? |
| 01:33.24 | falkon | abrotman: whatever dell put in the laptop :) I really have no way of knowing |
| 01:33.31 | britt | how do i boot into single user mode in GRUB? |
| 01:33.34 | falkon | abrotman: intel I believe, PIII/M |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | oh ffs .. Dell!!!!!!!!!!!!! you didn't tell me that |
| 01:33.42 | b3nw | did, didn't find anything of use ;\ |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | britt: try appending single to the end |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | britt: if still fails .. ask #grub |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | (or google) |
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| 01:34.04 | britt | abrotman: i'll go to #grub |
| 01:34.04 | beardy | britt: or append 1 |
| 01:34.14 | necro | hi..if anyone here knows vi really well, please speak up. i have a question for you :) |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | britt: single should work |
| 01:34.23 | beardy | !ask |
| 01:34.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:34.24 | abrotman | necro: #vi #vim ? |
| 01:34.27 | britt | guys, i tried that but it asks for the root password, which i dont know |
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| 01:34.39 | abrotman | britt: why not ? |
| 01:34.44 | britt | the reason to go into there is to change it |
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| 01:34.53 | britt | the dumb kid i installed linux for forgot it |
| 01:34.57 | beardy | britt: That's what happens, why don't you know it? |
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| 01:35.05 | falkon | abrotman: I'm running kernel-image-2.6.11 at the moment, and upgrading to 2.6.12 broke everything, all my modules. Why don't the modules get included? |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | !tell britt about ifrp |
| 01:35.15 | britt | beardy: the n00b forgot....it's nor me |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | falkon: they are .. but they're broken |
| 01:35.45 | doleyb | why does ifrp mention fsck? that's not necessary. |
| 01:35.48 | falkon | how can going from .11 to .12 break modules? does it not update paths? |
| 01:35.58 | beardy | !i forgot root's password |
| 01:35.58 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | beardy: i did that already :) |
| 01:36.27 | beardy | abrotman: ah :) |
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| 01:36.37 | necro | well, #vim seems pretty dead |
| 01:36.41 | necro | hi. i've a text file that is about 50,000 lines long, so doing what i want to do manually is unthinkable. perhaps you guys could help me out |
| 01:36.44 | necro | i need to join lines #1 and 2, #3 and 4, #5 and 6 .. |
| 01:36.46 | necro | any ideas? |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | necro: sed |
| 01:37.04 | abrotman | necro: you need to join them all ? |
| 01:37.08 | necro | no |
| 01:37.10 | necro | not all |
| 01:37.13 | necro | #1 and #2 |
| 01:37.14 | necro | #3 and #4 |
| 01:37.18 | necro | in pairs, like that |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:37.25 | necro | ? |
| 01:37.25 | falkon | abrotman: so is there anything I'm going to lose debian wise if I were to build a custom kernel from the new kernel.org sources |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:38.10 | bbrazil | necro: I'd go for perl, probably handle the odd/even a bit better |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:38.18 | falkon | abrotman: I guess I'll try it then |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | falkon: worst thing that happens . it doesn't work :) |
| 01:38.50 | bbrazil | necro: untested: perl -e '{chmop; print; print <>}while(<>)' |
| 01:39.03 | dondelelcaro | that won't work. |
| 01:39.38 | dippo | abrotman: you're my hero. that custom sarge iso worked great |
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| 01:39.45 | deb-rolo | abrotman: i guess I found a WW line that might be the cause, ill write it for you |
| 01:39.57 | falkon | abrotman: getting linux-2.6.14.3 now |
| 01:39.57 | dondelelcaro | you most likely want something like while (<>){ chomp if $.%2; print $_;}... |
| 01:40.02 | necro | [root@ownage val]# perl -e '{chmop; print; print <>}while(<>)' reg |
| 01:40.02 | necro | syntax error at -e line 1, at EOF |
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| 01:40.35 | dondelelcaro | (possibly with a s/if/unless/ depending on which way they should be joined |
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| 01:40.45 | britt | authentication token lock busy??? |
| 01:40.49 | britt | whats that mean |
| 01:40.56 | beardy | necro: Why running as root? |
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| 01:41.07 | necro | simple join operation :) line #1 + line #2 (with a space between them) |
| 01:41.08 | deb-rolo | (WW) VESA(0) config file hsync range 30-80Khz not within DDC hsync range 30-72Khz |
| 01:41.29 | necro | beardy, doing a few patches. need to be root |
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| 01:41.54 | dondelelcaro | necro: if you need a space, then s/\n/\ / if $.%2; or similar. |
| 01:41.57 | falkon | abrotman: will the non-debian source be able to correctly compile in modules with make-kpg modules_image? |
| 01:42.02 | dondelelcaro | s/\\//; |
| 01:42.03 | abrotman | dippo: glad to help |
| 01:42.10 | abrotman | falkon: they should |
| 01:42.12 | LoneWlf | Can someone tell me how to change write permissions on my floppy? |
| 01:42.16 | falkon | abrotman: here goes then |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | !tell falkon about kp |
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| 01:42.32 | beardy | LoneWlf: Same as any other files. mount, change. |
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| 01:43.03 | LoneWlf | beardy: I tried doing chmod 777 /mnt/floppy and it still won't work |
| 01:43.04 | deb-rolo | abrotman: you got the WW line ? |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | deb-rolo: looks like you misconfigured your monitor |
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| 01:43.23 | abrotman | !drxx deb-rolo |
| 01:43.24 | dpkg | deb-rolo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:43.26 | dippo | i read on the debian installer mailing list a while back about how someone proposed trying tomake etch's installer able to install stable, etc |
| 01:43.29 | LoneWlf | It was mounted with mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 01:43.30 | beardy | LoneWlf: Oh, is your user part of the floppy group? |
| 01:43.36 | LoneWlf | AH |
| 01:43.39 | LoneWlf | That's probably it. |
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| 01:43.42 | LoneWlf | How would I change this? |
| 01:43.43 | mhall | dimm0k: yeah ultraiso has demo mode |
| 01:43.49 | beardy | LoneWlf: vfat? |
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| 01:43.55 | dippo | it would be cool if the installer was relatively agnostic as to the release it was actually installing and installers were released on an accelerated schedule |
| 01:43.55 | LoneWlf | I'm in Ubuntu live so I have no settings that carried over. |
| 01:44.07 | jorge_ | hey guys, does debian have a little icon or something that tells you when there's updates? lol |
| 01:44.08 | LoneWlf | I'm trying to just copy the gag bootloader to my floppy to fix my MBR. |
| 01:44.16 | dimes | Anyone know why my 2+TB partition once its formated with xfs and mounted apears to oonly be 180GB? Am I missing some stupid gotcha or something? |
| 01:44.18 | mhall | falkon: you need to disable versioned symbols in your kernel |
| 01:44.43 | mhall | falkon: CONFIG_MODVERSIONS |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | mhall: that was a debian kernel |
| 01:44.54 | beardy | LoneWlf: If you are using a livecd, trying to fix something, why aren't you root? |
| 01:44.56 | mhall | falkon: also you need to recompile modules for a new kernel against that kernel |
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| 01:45.11 | mhall | falkon: and you need to use the same C compiler for the kernel and the modules |
| 01:45.19 | LoneWlf | Ubuntu automatically went in as standard user. |
| 01:45.27 | mhall | abrotman: ? what happened to him then |
| 01:45.30 | LoneWlf | And my SUSE live wouldn't work on IRC for some reason. |
| 01:45.32 | mhall | abrotman: i went to get some dinner |
| 01:45.37 | falkon | mhall: okay, so i need to recompile my nvidia modules after I configure the kernel source, right? |
| 01:45.38 | beardy | LoneWlf: su then |
| 01:45.41 | LoneWlf | I came hear and got an error that I couldn't message to channel. |
| 01:45.43 | mhall | abrotman: but my friend couldn't sneak me into the dining hall free |
| 01:45.47 | falkon | falkon: then I do the make-kpkg modules |
| 01:45.50 | mhall | falkon: ALL external modules |
| 01:45.55 | LoneWlf | Okay, I'm SU'd in console. |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | mhall: now he's trying to compile 2.6.14.2 or something |
| 01:45.59 | LoneWlf | Now how do I change the group? |
| 01:46.01 | mhall | falkon: *all* |
| 01:46.04 | LoneWlf | User name is ubuntu |
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| 01:46.10 | mhall | abrotman: yeah ok |
| 01:46.17 | beardy | LoneWlf: Doesn't matter, just copy the files now that you can. |
| 01:46.22 | falkon | mhall: I really don't know which ones are external. those in /usr/src/modules/? |
| 01:46.30 | abrotman | oktosite! .. you screwed it up you halfwit! |
| 01:46.34 | rickb|server | Hello, I am installing Debian, it won't hop onto my network, how do I Set it to read a certain Netmask |
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| 01:46.45 | abrotman | !tell rickb|server about interfaces |
| 01:46.53 | mhall | falkon: any modules that aren't part of the kernel itself |
| 01:47.00 | beardy | LoneWlf: Is the installation you are trying to fix ubuntu? |
| 01:47.04 | LoneWlf | No. |
| 01:47.09 | mhall | falkon: which means, they aren't built in the kernel's own /usr/src/linux* tree |
| 01:47.20 | LoneWlf | I'm trying to move this to a dedicated Windows box and I'm going to have another box dedicated to Linux. |
| 01:47.20 | mhall | falkon: all of those *MUST* be rebuilt for the new kernel |
| 01:47.27 | falkon | mhall: where and how? |
| 01:47.39 | mhall | falkon: and quite often you must make clean their trees to remove old files |
| 01:47.45 | mhall | falkon: how depends on the module's source |
| 01:47.48 | LoneWlf | So I tried to remove the GRUB loader with fdisk /mbr and now it throws the error "Invalid Partition Table" at every boot. |
| 01:47.53 | LoneWlf | So I figured I'd install gag. |
| 01:48.03 | mhall | falkon: but basically you've got to make clean the source, make the source, and make install the source |
| 01:48.13 | mhall | falkon: sometimes you have to set a variable to point to correct kernel |
| 01:48.23 | LoneWlf | And it still won't let me move the files to the floppy. |
| 01:48.24 | mhall | falkon: and sometimes you must be running the kernel to build the module |
| 01:48.27 | falkon | mhall: ahh yes, I know that one |
| 01:48.29 | LoneWlf | They're in a zipped archive. |
| 01:48.34 | LoneWlf | On the desktop. |
| 01:48.35 | falkon | mhall: can do |
| 01:48.38 | mhall | falkon: with nv and loop aes i usually have to wait until reboot to compile |
| 01:48.43 | beardy | LoneWlf: Run fixmbr from windows install cd's "rescue prompt" or what's it called. |
| 01:48.46 | mhall | falkon: this is why external modules are a pain in the ass |
| 01:48.52 | psychonate | Can someone recommend a simple, graphical text editor for X? |
| 01:48.57 | LoneWlf | Tried that beardy, threw the same error at reboot. |
| 01:49.00 | mhall | falkon: i wish they weren't needed but in the case of video and wireless you can't win |
| 01:49.06 | mhall | falkon: everybody uses them for that |
| 01:49.16 | mhall | falkon: and you can't win if you want good disk encryption |
| 01:49.21 | jvw | psychonate: nedit, gedit(gnome) |
| 01:49.27 | mhall | falkon: cause the one in the kernel is not secure and linus won't fix it |
| 01:49.29 | falkon | mhall: question about Preemption Model in config: do I want Voluntary Kernel Preemption or Preemptible Kernel |
| 01:49.46 | mhall | falkon: desktop box? try preemptible kernel and 1000 hz timer |
| 01:49.49 | falkon | mhall: doesn't matter, I have to do it whether using debian image or not |
| 01:50.04 | falkon | mhall: thanks. yes, desktop, only 1ghz |
| 01:50.21 | mhall | falkon: 1000 hz timer is another setting they added to later 2.6 |
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| 01:50.46 | mhall | falkon: CONFIG_HZ_1000 and CONFIG_HZ |
| 01:51.03 | falkon | mhall: know of any other weird configurations to make for this dell laptop [besides disable APIC suppor |
| 01:51.22 | mhall | falkon: _disable_ acpi? |
| 01:51.25 | mhall | falkon: oof |
| 01:51.38 | LoneWlf | What's the copy command for the console? |
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| 01:51.41 | falkon | mhall: uncheck local APIC support or it won't work |
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| 01:51.44 | mhall | LoneWlf: copy? |
| 01:51.48 | LoneWlf | Tried. |
| 01:51.49 | mhall | LoneWlf: files? cp |
| 01:51.54 | LoneWlf | Ah. |
| 01:51.55 | LoneWlf | Thanks. |
| 01:51.56 | LoneWlf | cp |
| 01:52.02 | mhall | LoneWlf: sorry i didn't know what kind of copy you meant at first |
| 01:52.02 | levander | Anybody know if putting my hard drive on top of the waxy cardboard box my router came in is bad for it? |
| 01:52.08 | mhall | LoneWlf: thought you meant, clipboard styler |
| 01:52.12 | mhall | LoneWlf: *style* |
| 01:52.26 | omniboggle | how come when im at the post config for the debian install.. tunder configuring the video card there isnt a NVIDIA option? there is ati and stuff like vesa but not nvidia... |
| 01:52.26 | mhall | levander: ? heh |
| 01:52.34 | mhall | omniboggle: there is nv |
| 01:52.37 | LoneWlf | mhall: Not a problem. |
| 01:52.41 | greed | Hey is it safe to use APT::Force-LoopBreak=yes with e2fsprogs I get a warning about removing modutils may cause an unusable system. How many have had success with this ? |
| 01:52.52 | mhall | falkon: wow that sucks |
| 01:52.58 | wireddd | levander, should be fine, untill you accidentally knock it off |
| 01:52.58 | mhall | falkon: broken bios i guess |
| 01:53.02 | deb-rolo | abrotman : i think i screwed it even more, i am getting now a EE line saying Unable to locate/open config file |
| 01:53.13 | omniboggle | nv is for nvidia?alright |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | deb-rolo: did you edit the file manually ? |
| 01:53.27 | wireddd | omniboggle, yes |
| 01:53.33 | falkon | mhall: nope, dell laptop |
| 01:53.37 | mhall | falkon: let me peek in kernel a little |
| 01:53.38 | deb-rolo | no, i used the command you told me |
| 01:53.42 | falkon | mhall: I justknow not to use it |
| 01:53.49 | mhall | falkon: no i mean if local APIC's broken that's a sign of bad BIOS |
| 01:54.01 | starscalling | yay audio working@!@! finally getting somewhere fun \o/ |
| 01:54.04 | deb-rolo | yes that is the command i used |
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| 01:54.15 | falkon | mhall: I dunno. I don't know which to disable |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | deb-rolo: but it lost the config file ? |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | deb-rolo: ls -l /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 01:54.37 | fevel | is it possible to install unstable from the cd? when I install it sets up sarge automatically |
| 01:54.46 | mhall | falkon: one sec i'm peeking |
| 01:54.56 | mhall | falkon: and where did you learn to disable it |
| 01:55.08 | LoneWlf | And anyone know the delete command? |
| 01:55.12 | deb-rolo | yep , apparently it lost it |
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| 01:55.15 | abrotman | mhall: why do you have sneak in |
| 01:55.15 | LoneWlf | rem? |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | deb-rolo: that's really really not good |
| 01:55.30 | deb-rolo | its not on the /etc/X11 folder |
| 01:55.31 | falkon | mhall: looked at install notes for inspiron 8100 |
| 01:55.46 | mhall | abrotman: well i live in apt with kitchen |
| 01:55.53 | deb-rolo | it asked 2 questions i dont know if i answered correctly |
| 01:55.54 | chealer | omniboggle, because there is no free X driver named nvidia |
| 01:55.55 | mhall | abrotman: and meal plans cost thousands for terrible food |
| 01:55.56 | falkon | mhall: also, when I set up debian originally I did noapic |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | deb-rolo: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 01:56.01 | mhall | abrotman: and single meals cost almost $8 |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | deb-rolo: then try again |
| 01:56.10 | abrotman | mhall: ah .. gotcha |
| 01:56.12 | greed | so module-init-tools takes over from modutils and won't break anything if removed ? |
| 01:56.14 | mhall | abrotman: he was going to introduce me to a fine female with a nice rack |
| 01:56.23 | mhall | abrotman: otherwise i wouldn't bother, the food's terrible |
| 01:56.29 | fevel | [abrotman]: is it possible to install unstable from the cd?? |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | mhall: i got a meal plan because i lived on campus .. and well .. being hungover on sunday and not having to cook my own eggs was a big bonus :) |
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| 01:56.45 | abrotman | mhall: would you have talked to her ? |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | fevel: not directly ? |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | err - ? |
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| 01:56.57 | mhall | abrotman: sure |
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| 01:57.08 | mhall | abrotman: talk to her now, and to her rack later |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | you wish |
| 01:57.22 | fevel | [abrotman]: when I install it directly it installs sarge |
| 01:57.26 | mhall | abrotman: yeah, i'm a really big guy so i don't get hangovers easily |
| 01:57.34 | threat | hey |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | fevel: yes .. you can upgrade to unstable |
| 01:57.38 | mhall | abrotman: also i usually save myself some leftovers for such emergencies |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | mhall: a case of beer does a number on anyone :) |
| 01:58.02 | fevel | dist-upgrade right? |
| 01:58.03 | mhall | abrotman: i drink whiskey on the rocks |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | mhall: tequila! |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | fevel: yes .. that would work |
| 01:58.15 | mhall | abrotman: tekillya |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | mhall: i like it |
| 01:58.30 | mhall | abrotman: lol suit yourself |
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| 01:58.38 | fbi | !tell mhall about lol |
| 01:58.39 | falkon | mhall: "dell has a modified p3 that CANNOT handle APIC calls." |
| 01:58.40 | threat | Whats new ? |
| 01:58.42 | fbi | weeeeeee |
| 01:58.42 | mhall | i'll only drink whiskey vodka and some beer |
| 01:58.46 | falkon | mhall: that's where I found it |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | mhall: i've done the whiskey thing . lots of crown royal |
| 01:58.48 | mhall | falkon: oof that's scary |
| 01:58.51 | psychonate | abrotman, are you the fellow that argued with someone about tequilla vs vodka a few days ago? |
| 01:58.57 | mhall | abrotman: maker's mark and jim beam |
| 01:58.59 | threat | falkon, I dislike DELL |
| 01:59.00 | psychonate | in the channel I mean |
| 01:59.01 | fevel | but what about the source.list? is editing stable to unstable all I have to do?? |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | psychonate: probably :) |
| 01:59.06 | litage | what's the difference between a 1-phase and 3-phase UPS? |
| 01:59.07 | psychonate | haha |
| 01:59.10 | mhall | falkon: alright let me see here |
| 01:59.11 | falkon | threat: never had a problem with this laptop in 5 years |
| 01:59.16 | mhall | litage: input power type |
| 01:59.23 | abrotman | litage: the plug iirc |
| 01:59.27 | falkon | mhall: so am I disabling local apic? |
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| 01:59.30 | levander | Anybody else has put some passive coolers on dual pentium iii's? Then after stress testing decide you need more cooling? |
| 01:59.33 | threat | falkon, have you tried to upgrade parts on it? using non-dell components? |
| 01:59.41 | mhall | falkon: you that's correct, if you didn't it'd go psycho |
| 01:59.42 | threat | falkon, eg, RAM |
| 01:59.44 | fbi | levander: ask #hardware |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | litage: i mean .. that's the basic difference .. there's more to it |
| 01:59.58 | falkon | threat: yeah, dvd-rom, ram, HDD |
| 02:00.03 | levander | fbi: thanks, hope that's not one of those dead channels |
| 02:00.05 | mhall | litage: finding link |
| 02:00.05 | dimes | anyone know why fdsick and cfdisk "seem" to let me create a partition that is 2.3tb but after write and quit and a restart of the cfdisk/fdisk the partition is 192GB and 2.2tb is free and unallocated? |
| 02:00.11 | deb-rolo | abrotman: ok here is 1 question i dont know how to asnwer ... its telling to specify the video card's bus indentifier ? |
| 02:00.14 | deb-rolo | where i find that ? |
| 02:00.20 | threat | falkon, non-dell? |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | deb-rolo: leave it blank |
| 02:00.27 | falkon | threat: you just have to use ECC registered RAM, it's not even made by dell |
| 02:00.41 | threat | ok |
| 02:00.44 | falkon | threat: it's hitachi I want to say |
| 02:00.52 | falkon | threat: my dell HDDs went poof |
| 02:01.08 | mhall | litage: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/electrical-wiring/part2/section-10.html |
| 02:01.09 | falkon | threat: I'm on the third - a seagate - no problems, and it's great |
| 02:01.11 | threat | hitachi aye, thats whats in my compaq |
| 02:01.25 | deb-rolo | should i write default Files section to configuration file ? ? i assume yes ? |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:01.32 | threat | falkon, I have had all sorts of issues with seagates :S |
| 02:01.49 | deb-rolo | and write default DRI section to conf file ? |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | that's up to you .. you can |
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| 02:02.10 | deb-rolo | hehehe, i dont know what that means |
| 02:02.11 | mhall | dimes: what kind of disk controller |
| 02:02.17 | falkon | threat: the reason I use seagate is that I've found them in Sun and SGI servers, and we know how particular those companies are. |
| 02:02.17 | deb-rolo | ill say yes |
| 02:02.20 | dimes | 3ware 9550SX |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | deb-rolo: DRI .. it's for 3d stuffs |
| 02:02.21 | fbi | !widhe deb-rolo |
| 02:02.26 | threat | so, what prgoram does the debian community recommend for backing up files? |
| 02:02.27 | fbi | hmm |
| 02:02.28 | falkon | threat: I have never had a single seagate burn out |
| 02:02.28 | folds | hey guys i need help loading devices for a sound driver |
| 02:02.30 | mhall | dimes: i suspect you have got IDE controllers that do not support 48 bit LBA or 48 bit LBA is disabled |
| 02:02.37 | fbi | deb-rolo: when in doubt. hit enter. |
| 02:02.38 | dimes | it shows up ok in fdisk |
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| 02:02.49 | mhall | dimes: also please try parted |
| 02:02.59 | mhall | dimes: i have noticed it works better than fdisk on large volumes |
| 02:03.02 | dimes | mhall: will do |
| 02:03.24 | dimes | its all sata drives |
| 02:03.25 | threat | falkon, I have, the low end IDE 120GB ones. I do still have a Seagate 10GB SCSI that has latest 10 or so years. but I find that the new seagates done last as long |
| 02:03.27 | deb-rolo | thank you FBI |
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| 02:03.29 | dimes | off a hardware raid |
| 02:03.31 | mhall | dimes: if parted doesn't like it then check on 48 bit LBA |
| 02:03.36 | stew | mhall: what is wrong with fdisk and large volumes? |
| 02:03.44 | mhall | dimes: i'm not sure if all SATA are required to have it on by default |
| 02:03.56 | mhall | stew: i've had a lot of problems with it especially on SPARC |
| 02:03.59 | falkon | threat: I haven't used the brand new ones, but a pretty new 80gb has gone a long way |
| 02:04.03 | litage | thanks abrotman and mhall |
| 02:04.12 | mhall | stew: but i can't really quantify it because my problems were intermittent |
| 02:04.15 | falkon | threat: the 60gb in here shows no signs of slowing down |
| 02:04.22 | mhall | stew: all i noticed is that it didn't happen if i used parted |
| 02:04.23 | falkon | threat: and 8mb cache, that's great |
| 02:04.33 | stew | mhall: oh maybe something sparc specific, but it works fine with me on i386 on large raid arrays |
| 02:04.36 | threat | 8Mb is great :) 16MB is uber! :P |
| 02:04.40 | mhall | stew: you have to understand that most of my method of problem solving is pragmatic solution-based |
| 02:04.46 | falkon | true dat |
| 02:04.56 | mhall | stew: not necessarily based on the underlying theory of how the partition editors are implemented |
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| 02:04.58 | stew | mhall: did you file bugs? |
| 02:05.06 | mhall | stew: but on how they behave when i used them to solve problems |
| 02:05.17 | mhall | stew: from what i can tell i'm bad at writing bug reports |
| 02:05.19 | EdLin | my first Linux installation was on a 40MB (*mega*byte) IDE hard drive, kernel 0.95 |
| 02:05.27 | stew | mhall: practice makes perfect |
| 02:05.27 | mhall | stew: because developers seem to get offended when i send them in |
| 02:05.40 | mhall | stew: so generally i assume i used their program wrong or didn't know what i was doing |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | EdLin: what took you so long? |
| 02:05.55 | mhall | stew: and i move on to other programs that i'm more capable of understanding correctly |
| 02:05.57 | folds | i need to know how to load drivers for a sound device, i did < lspci -v |grep -i audio > and got the output < 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 02:05.57 | folds | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.24 | mhall | stew: now if both partition editors were broken then i might worry about writing a bug |
| 02:06.29 | EdLin | abrotman: I'd had experience with propritery Unix before that. 0.95 was the first widely distributed version on DC area bulletin boards. |
| 02:06.32 | folds | someone told me i needed to do < modprobe vai_82xx > but it tells me module vai_82xx isnt found |
| 02:06.36 | folds | ? |
| 02:06.48 | fbi | folds: s/vai/via/g |
| 02:06.52 | mhall | stew: but from my experience disks and partitions are fiddly to set up so when it goes awry i usually assume it's transient and hard to diagnose |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | folds: via . .not vai |
| 02:06.55 | dimes | ?wow, parted is unfriendly |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | steve vai is a crummy guitarist |
| 02:07.04 | stew | mhall: if both didn't work, i'd blame the hardware, if one deosn't work, it sounds like a software bug |
| 02:07.07 | deb-rolo | lol |
| 02:07.10 | deb-rolo | steve vai is cool |
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| 02:07.19 | mhall | stew: and since even simple bug reports i write are not well received, i figure hard bug reports will be even less well received |
| 02:07.33 | mhall | dimes: just use it to print out your partition table and see how it is |
| 02:07.55 | mhall | dimes: print command |
| 02:08.16 | folds | sory guys, that was a typo, i tried via, and got nothing. |
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| 02:08.32 | folds | <modprobe snd_via82xx > |
| 02:08.33 | stew | filing a bug that is closed immediately becuase it was bogus is much better than never opening a bug becuase it *might not be a bug |
| 02:08.35 | folds | is what i did |
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| 02:08.51 | mhall | stew: i don't like it when developers insult me for submitting reports |
| 02:08.59 | fbi | folds: let alsa handle the module; run alsaconf |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | folds: you're not supposed to get anyhting if it works :) |
| 02:09.06 | mhall | stew: and since that's what they usually do, i prefer just to figure it out myself |
| 02:09.34 | mhall | stew: there hasn't been a single time i filed a bug or talked to an open source app developer where i was able to have a friendly conversation |
| 02:09.36 | deb-rolo | omg you guys rock |
| 02:09.39 | folds | abrotman i means that i got "module not found" |
| 02:09.40 | deb-rolo | its showing something now |
| 02:09.40 | stew | mhall: that's too bad. the project could use your help |
| 02:09.42 | deb-rolo | lol |
| 02:09.47 | deb-rolo | yeah gnome its up |
| 02:09.47 | folds | fbi how do i run that |
| 02:09.49 | mhall | stew: obviously i'm doing something wrong but i have no idea what it is |
| 02:09.51 | fbi | folds: kernel version |
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| 02:10.01 | mhall | stew: i wish i actually did know |
| 02:10.03 | deb-rolo | misconfiguration was the problem |
| 02:10.12 | abrotman | deb-rolo: all working ? |
| 02:10.14 | folds | fbi: how do i check? |
| 02:10.14 | deb-rolo | now i need a working mouse hehehe |
| 02:10.18 | fbi | folds: uname -r |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | deb-rolo: what kind of mouse ? |
| 02:10.24 | cddesjar | what does abrotman mean? |
| 02:10.33 | mhall | stew: i've been thinking about what kind of role i might like to have in open source |
| 02:10.36 | cddesjar | for the longest time i thought your name was abortman |
| 02:10.42 | cddesjar | i must be dylsexic and shit |
| 02:10.43 | numist | cddesjar: 18:10:33 -!- ircname : Alexander Tait Brotman |
| 02:10.43 | folds | fbi: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:10.48 | deb-rolo | yeah all working, it showed some strange kind of interference lines as background when gnome was loading , but all working now |
| 02:10.51 | mhall | stew: i think the thing i most enjoy is helping users come up with hacks to solve problems |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | cddesjar: you'd not the only one |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | fbi: did you see that? |
| 02:11.00 | fbi | folds: patch your kernel with alsa-modules or install a 2.6 kernel and reboot. |
| 02:11.02 | numist | sorry to blow your cober, abrotman ;) |
| 02:11.04 | fbi | abrotman: ? |
| 02:11.11 | abrotman | fbi: see what cddesjar just said |
| 02:11.14 | cddesjar | numist: oh a. brotman |
| 02:11.18 | fbi | haha! |
| 02:11.20 | numist | :) |
| 02:11.20 | levander | how do i edit the grub boot menu to take a bunch of entries out? isn't there a file, then a command i have to run? |
| 02:11.22 | mhall | i'm m. hall |
| 02:11.26 | deb-rolo | a ps 2 mouse ... ihave some spare here |
| 02:11.27 | fbi | wasn't paying attn heh |
| 02:11.30 | cddesjar | i like abrotman he is helpful |
| 02:11.34 | numist | levander: as root, edit /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 02:11.38 | numist | cddesjar: yes he is |
| 02:11.44 | folds | fbi: im new. sorry. patching sounds easier, know where i could get some help with that? |
| 02:11.48 | numist | levander: be very careful though. screw something up there and you die |
| 02:11.51 | stew | levander: remove the kernels from your system and run update-grub |
| 02:11.58 | abrotman | deb-rolo: and what mouse device did you pick with configuring X ? |
| 02:12.04 | mhall | not as helpful as our favorite fucking cock knocker kingsley. he helps way more users than abrotman and i |
| 02:12.15 | threat | so no one has any suggestions of which backup package I should install ? |
| 02:12.15 | cddesjar | he helped me set up oo.org2 |
| 02:12.22 | fbi | folds: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 02:12.25 | stew | levander: if you just edit the menu.lst file your changes will be overwritten the next time you install a kernel with apt-get/dpkg |
| 02:12.47 | numist | hrm, true |
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| 02:12.53 | numist | not everyone uses apt for their kernel though |
| 02:13.00 | numist | so method based on lifestyle, I guess |
| 02:13.02 | fbi | folds: installing a new kernel on a debian system takes about 60 seconds depending on your connection |
| 02:13.08 | levander | stew: but i don't want to install a new kernel, just take some entries out |
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| 02:13.23 | numist | levander: apt-get remove the kernels you dont want, then run grub-update |
| 02:13.28 | numist | if they are all packaged kernels |
| 02:13.28 | stew | levander: remove the kernels from /boot and run update-grub |
| 02:13.30 | deb-rolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.30 | alexfs18 | hello |
| 02:13.42 | deb-rolo | but i knew it was a malfunctioning mouse the one i plugged in |
| 02:13.43 | stew | levander: or if they were installed from packages, dpkg -r packagename |
| 02:13.48 | levander | stew: they're not packaged kernels, so just run grub-update after editing menul.lst? |
| 02:13.49 | alexfs18 | i need help for the squirrelmail install |
| 02:13.50 | deb-rolo | im using another one now |
| 02:13.54 | deb-rolo | but it goes crazy |
| 02:14.00 | deb-rolo | lol , ithink ill have to reboot |
| 02:14.05 | stew | levander: if you run grub-update it will create a new menu.lst losing your changes |
| 02:14.19 | stew | err update-grub |
| 02:14.32 | threat | I need help doing a mail merge in OpenOffice 2 from a "joined" table. |
| 02:14.37 | levander | stew: well then what do i do after editing menu.lst? |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | deb-rolo: but what device did you pick ? |
| 02:14.53 | alexfs18 | alguien que hable español |
| 02:14.54 | alexfs18 | ???? |
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| 02:15.01 | fbi | !tell alexfs18 about es |
| 02:15.04 | mhall | bbl |
| 02:15.11 | deb-rolo | and do you guys know of a program i can use to connect from my winXP to my linux ... but in a kinda remote desktop connection |
| 02:15.19 | deb-rolo | where i can use kde desktop from this machine |
| 02:15.21 | folds | fbi: much thanks, but i cant run alsaconf, ( the apt-get installd fine) all i have to run is alsamixer |
| 02:15.28 | threat | deb-rolo, VNC |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | deb-rolo: RDP has a client for linux .. apt-cache search rdesktop |
| 02:15.41 | fbi | folds: dpkg -l alsa-base |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | oh .. wait . ignor eme |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | wrong way! |
| 02:15.52 | threat | abrotman, :) VNC!! |
| 02:15.53 | threat | :) |
| 02:16.10 | deb-rolo | ok , i didnt knew there was a VNC for win |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 02:16.31 | threat | deb-rolo, yes there is |
| 02:16.34 | fbi | folds: you need to run alsaconf as root, also |
| 02:16.36 | threat | deb-rolo, guess what its called? |
| 02:16.37 | Vicious | deb-rolo: what rock have you been under? |
| 02:16.53 | threat | deb-rolo, VNC!!! |
| 02:16.56 | deb-rolo | lol. il say winVNc? |
| 02:17.20 | deb-rolo | hehehe, sorry guys im kinda noob to linux .... its my like 5th installation |
| 02:17.23 | deb-rolo | though |
| 02:17.37 | threat | oh |
| 02:17.43 | folds | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 02:17.43 | folds | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 02:17.43 | folds | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 02:17.44 | folds | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 02:17.49 | Vicious | wooooo |
| 02:17.50 | threat | haha |
| 02:17.50 | Vicious | hehe |
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| 02:17.55 | threat | pwned |
| 02:17.59 | deb-rolo | threat: was i right ? winVNC? |
| 02:18.05 | stew | levander: if you edit menu.lst directly, then your changes will be overwritten the next time update-grub is run, which is the next time a kernel is installed via apt-get or dpkg |
| 02:18.07 | threat | deb-rolo, just google VNC :) |
| 02:18.21 | threat | deb-rolo, there is realVNC or tightVNC, you would probably want to get tightVNC |
| 02:18.36 | Vicious | there're a bunch of vnc's most work for windows also |
| 02:18.36 | folds | fbi: im not to sure what im looking at, did you see that? it kicked me so im not sure if you did |
| 02:18.46 | stew | levander: if you only want to edit menu.lst by hand you can edit /etc/kernel-img.conf and remove update-grub from postinst and postrm |
| 02:18.46 | fbi | folds: you ran alsaconf as root? |
| 02:18.49 | Vicious | some even only work exclusively on windows |
| 02:18.52 | threat | deb-rolo, and also if you want to connect from a remote location, e.g. the Internet, I suggest you setup a VPN or SSH tunnel, as VNC does not use encrypted passwords |
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| 02:19.29 | folds | fbi i wasnt trying to run in a terminal, i used deb's "run" command. i think its working now.. |
| 02:19.40 | fbi | folds: dude, open a terminal |
| 02:19.44 | nekostar | \o/ ok almost there :):):):) |
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| 02:20.15 | fbi | folds: the alsa configuration is a curses interface. you need a terminal open or console. |
| 02:20.19 | folds | fbi lolz yea man thanks . |
| 02:20.30 | threat | nekostar, w00t! |
| 02:21.08 | nekostar | hehe this is really fast man.. etch // flux // no java yet :P |
| 02:21.12 | threat | how difficult is it to create a deb from source? |
| 02:21.26 | threat | not deb source though, a tar.gz source ;) |
| 02:21.26 | nekostar | what are you trying to create exactly? |
| 02:21.30 | nekostar | usually its not that hard |
| 02:21.39 | threat | nekostar, what steps do I need to take? |
| 02:21.53 | nekostar | now ppl correct me if i miss something but: |
| 02:21.54 | threat | nekostar, where would you recommend a good doc that will step me through it |
| 02:22.13 | nekostar | 1. make sure to have what you need to actually compile it installed |
| 02:22.15 | folds | fbi: i ran alsaconf, seems succesfull, but i still have no sound? |
| 02:22.21 | nekostar | a good place to start is build-essential |
| 02:22.38 | fbi | threat: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 02:22.42 | nekostar | er yeah |
| 02:22.45 | nekostar | what he said |
| 02:22.47 | threat | thanx |
| 02:22.47 | fbi | folds: add your user to the audio group |
| 02:22.53 | nekostar | hehe |
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| 02:23.05 | nekostar | what was that nice apt-something trick to see if you ahve the build-dep fbi ? |
| 02:23.09 | folds | fbi aww nuts this stuff needs "readme's" |
| 02:23.23 | fbi | folds: not really. it's common sense. |
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| 02:23.37 | folds | fbi: how do i add my user |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | !audio |
| 02:23.52 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 02:23.59 | deb-rolo | you guys already know im a noob , so what the hell, whats the equivalent to a "ipconfig" command on linux? |
| 02:24.01 | wang | what's a GDM theme? |
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| 02:24.08 | deb-rolo | i want to find out the machines ip |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | deb-rolo: ifconfig |
| 02:24.16 | fbi | folds: do what dpkg just said |
| 02:24.16 | falkon | deb-rolo: ifconfig <device> |
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| 02:24.29 | falkon | abrotman: that too :) |
| 02:25.05 | wang | what's a GDM theme? |
| 02:25.14 | fbi | wang: a theme for gdm. |
| 02:25.20 | gravity | wang: A theme for the gdm login manager |
| 02:25.23 | gravity | What else would it be? |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | music ? |
| 02:25.38 | falkon | abrotman: okay steps in configuration: build kernel, install kernel, boot into kernel, build modules [nvidia, etc] and that's it? do I do make-kpkg modules_image? |
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| 02:25.47 | fbi | i used to think gdm themes were for kdm, and vice versa |
| 02:25.49 | wang | well i didn't know what the login manager was called, i didn't want to insinuate anything |
| 02:26.00 | abrotman | falkon: i just use make-kpkg binary .. which does them all |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | wang: i blame bitchx |
| 02:26.15 | wang | lol |
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| 02:26.31 | falkon | abrotman: well I did make-kpkg clean, so just do make-kpkg binary and have fuN? |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | falkon: hopefully |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | !kp |
| 02:26.43 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 02:27.11 | numist | !kp mantra |
| 02:27.11 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 02:27.21 | numist | s/;/&&/ |
| 02:27.22 | abrotman | i vote for binary instead of those twoo |
| 02:27.39 | numist | I vote for dont keep going if a previous step fails >_> |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:27.56 | fbi | why s/;/&&/ ? |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | !kp mantra =~ s/;/ &&/ |
| 02:28.04 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 02:28.07 | fbi | ; does the same as && and it's less to type. |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 02:28.08 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" && make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 02:28.10 | numist | fbi: if a step fails, it will stop there, instead of keepong on going |
| 02:28.13 | folds | !audio |
| 02:28.13 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | numist: better ? |
| 02:28.16 | fbi | numist: i never new that |
| 02:28.25 | falkon | abrotman: what was it I was supposed to disable for debian in the config? it toally slipped my mind |
| 02:28.25 | fbi | s/new/knew/g |
| 02:28.30 | numist | abrotman: they didnt all change >_> |
| 02:28.39 | abrotman | !kp mantra =~ s/;/ &&/g |
| 02:28.40 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 02:28.43 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image && |
| 02:28.46 | numist | :D |
| 02:28.53 | wang | what kind of theme would I search for if I wanted to modify the icon tray, tool bar, etc |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | everyone happy ? |
| 02:29.03 | numist | the last && is pretty superfluous, but I think I'm just being a pedant |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | though why there is a trailing && .. nfc |
| 02:29.09 | numist | hehe |
| 02:29.12 | numist | there was a ; there |
| 02:29.20 | numist | again, why, nfc |
| 02:29.25 | falkon | mhall: you around? I fogot what to comment out in teh .config for debian |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | !kp mantra =~ s/image &&/image/ |
| 02:29.27 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | numist: is that correct now ? |
| 02:29.55 | deb-rolo | what command should start VNC server on this debian ? |
| 02:30.03 | numist | abrotman: probably |
| 02:30.06 | beardy | !beer abrotman |
| 02:30.09 | numist | !kp mantra |
| 02:30.09 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | numist: double check damn you! |
| 02:30.17 | numist | !win abrotman |
| 02:30.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:30.22 | numist | er.. |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 02:30.31 | numist | looks good here |
| 02:30.35 | folds | fbi: i still got nothin. when i tried to add my user it said i was already a member of audio, also, when i try to run alsamixer nothing comes up, |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | falkon: i have no idea .. ask mhall |
| 02:30.54 | falkon | abrotman: he ran off |
| 02:31.04 | fbi | folds: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | falkon: /lastlog ? |
| 02:31.18 | falkon | abrotman: found it, CONFIG_MODVERSIONS |
| 02:31.20 | falkon | whatever that it |
| 02:31.21 | falkon | is |
| 02:31.30 | folds | fbi: says i have the newest version |
| 02:31.46 | fbi | folds: and you type "alsamixer" as root and nothing happens? |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:32.08 | deb-rolo | anyone ? |
| 02:32.14 | folds | fbi: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:32.16 | beardy | noone |
| 02:32.25 | beardy | ! |
| 02:32.57 | deb-rolo | starting vnc server on lin ? |
| 02:33.00 | takatumi | falkon: check if the ALSA modules are loaded. lsmod |grep ^snd |
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| 02:33.09 | beardy | deb-rolo: install one and run it |
| 02:33.16 | fbi | folds: did you see your soundcard in alsaconf's menu? |
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| 02:33.24 | deb-rolo | i think i installed one |
| 02:33.31 | deb-rolo | lets see if i find out how to run it |
| 02:33.32 | falkon | takatumi: what does that have to do with building this kernel? I know alsa modules are loaded |
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| 02:33.49 | takatumi | falkon: ignore, meant for folds. |
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| 02:33.57 | falkon | takatumi: oh, oops |
| 02:34.03 | LoneWlf | Hey all. |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | takatumi: too many f-in people :) |
| 02:34.10 | fbi | haha |
| 02:34.14 | LoneWlf | Just stopping back by to say thanks to everyone who helped me fix my MBR just now. |
| 02:34.23 | takatumi | abrotman: absof'inlutely. :) |
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| 02:34.26 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:34.31 | folds | fbi: yea im sure i did... gives me 2 choices, via82xx (which is the one i picked) and legacy ( i dont know what that is ) |
| 02:34.52 | fbi | folds: i have no idea what is wrong. spend $30 and buy a PCI soundcard. |
| 02:35.00 | fbi | i don't mess with onboard sound |
| 02:35.39 | takatumi | folds: and is that module loaded? |
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| 02:36.53 | Roadrunne | Hi, how can I get the current date within kernel source code? |
| 02:36.59 | folds | takatumi i think so, is there anyway i can check to make sure? |
| 02:37.16 | folds | could the problem be that i dont have mixersoftware installed ( isaw an error msg.. |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | gettimeofday ? |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | Roadrunne: #kernel ? |
| 02:37.42 | takatumi | folds: lsmod, the ones with snd- are alsa. (mixer comes with alsa-utils, you have it so no) |
| 02:37.52 | Roadrunne | abrotman: is this allowed within the kernel? |
| 02:38.13 | abrotman | Roadrunne: this isn't a kernel development channel .. ask #kernel ? |
| 02:38.21 | folds | takatumi looks like they are loaded.. |
| 02:38.23 | Lorian | Hello, I am having trouble setting up my network. lsmod lists my card "3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]". When I type ifconfig eth0, it says it is not there? |
| 02:38.39 | Roadrunne | abrotman: ok, i'll try it there. thx anyway. |
| 02:39.16 | Lorian | Anyone have any pointers? |
| 02:39.23 | deb-rolo | when connecting via vnc .... the host name is its ip , right ? |
| 02:39.24 | takatumi | folds: try reloading the modules. |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | Lorian: do you know which module it uses ? |
| 02:39.32 | dondelelcaro | Lorian: you need to load the module for the 3c59x card. |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | deb-rolo: that's one way .. yes |
| 02:39.54 | abrotman | i'm actually impressed lsmod tells him the model of his NIC :) |
| 02:39.57 | folds | tatatumi: like by doing alsaconf again? i did that if thats what you mean? |
| 02:40.08 | deb-rolo | its telling me failed to connect ? any troubleshooting ? |
| 02:40.12 | Lorian | Well, during my install I tried loading the 3c59x module, but it said it failed to load. |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | deb-rolo: is it actually running / |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:40.24 | Lorian | I didn't know what to do from there. |
| 02:40.33 | takatumi | folds: no need, you could just modprobe -r and modprobe it. |
| 02:40.34 | deb-rolo | what and where? you mean on the linux box ? |
| 02:40.45 | deb-rolo | i need to start a service for VNC ? |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.48 | Lorian | It is an older card and many folks says it is compatible with linux. |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.57 | deb-rolo | hmmm, i think its not |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | Lorian: it's PCI ? |
| 02:41.01 | Lorian | yes |
| 02:41.16 | Lorian | It works with other distros. |
| 02:41.17 | folds | takatumi: im not to clear on what you mean, modprobe -r gives me no output at all |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | Lorian: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 02:41.40 | takatumi | folds: modprobe -r <your alsa sound module name> |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | deb-rolo: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=vncserver&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 02:41.51 | Lorian | abrotman: the output is null |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | Lorian: lsmod | grep 3c |
| 02:42.27 | Lorian | abrotman: null |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | Lorian: then the module isn't loaded .. use modconf and load the 3c59x module |
| 02:42.56 | Lorian | I need to load the module for the card... is that similar to a driver? |
| 02:43.03 | Lorian | ok |
| 02:43.38 | wang | how do i install some icon theme i just downloaded? the 'themes' tool in applications/desktop prefs? |
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| 02:44.18 | abrotman | oKtosiTe_: it should be $HOME .. not /home/ |
| 02:44.55 | Lorian | abrotman: Well it is loading, but now I need to figure out the settings... how would I find out what irq and such? |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | Lorian: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 02:45.38 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: thanks for the advise, I will look into it ;-) |
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| 02:46.29 | Lorian | abrotman: When I added the module via modconf by default it set the irq to 0 then told me that it would likely not work on that irq... with the dmesg it is listing IRQ 0 as well. |
| 02:47.26 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: changed. |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | oKtosiTe_: yay |
| 02:48.09 | abrotman | Lorian: but it shows in dmesg ? |
| 02:48.16 | Lorian | abrotman: nevermind, I found the problem. Thanks |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | Lorian: ? |
| 02:48.32 | Lorian | abrotman: Yes it is showing in dmesg now... but it says it is IRQ 0. |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | Lorian: but can you get an IP address ? |
| 02:48.49 | Lorian | abrotman: I went back and didn't put any parameters and it still set it to 0 |
| 02:48.59 | Lorian | abrotman: I am checking now. |
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| 02:49.57 | Sneaky_Bastard | hiya peeps |
| 02:50.33 | Sneaky_Bastard | peeps = affectionate shorthand for "people" |
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| 02:50.43 | mfrisch | Sneaky_Bastard whats good |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | so spell it out |
| 02:50.54 | kids | help! how do i shut down my debian system! |
| 02:50.55 | Sneaky_Bastard | anyway, could somebody here explain to me about Universe & Multiverse repositories ? |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | Sneaky_Bastard: #ubuntu |
| 02:51.11 | Sneaky_Bastard | ah, ok |
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| 02:51.25 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 02:51.56 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: it usually takes more effort, doesn't it? ;-) |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | !seen dan2 |
| 02:52.00 | dpkg | dan2 <i=dan@pdpc/supporter/professional/dan2> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 87d 5h 11m 45s ago, saying: '!sussudiosmite rr72_'. |
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| 02:52.11 | abrotman | oKtosiTe_: a lot more |
| 02:52.16 | kids | how do i shut down my debian system! ctrl alt del isnt working! |
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| 02:52.20 | abrotman | kids: poweroff |
| 02:52.39 | cap | ... |
| 02:52.45 | pureone | lol |
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| 02:53.37 | xdoctor | aonde eu arruma as description dos packages do debian ? |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:53.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | portuguese ? |
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| 02:54.07 | Lorian | abrotman: dmesg | grep -i eth returns eth0: <card name> at 0xa000, 00:60:97:db:aa:17, IRQ 0 |
| 02:54.09 | xdoctor | sorry |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | Lorian: but an IP ? |
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| 02:54.26 | xdoctor | abrotman: yes |
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| 02:54.30 | abrotman | !pt |
| 02:54.30 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:54.37 | Lorian | abrotman: No |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | Lorian: i wonder why it asked you for an IRQ |
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| 02:55.50 | Lorian | abrotman: Well, with modconf when I selected the 3c95x module it had a field for additional parameters... |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | did you leave it blank ? |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | you don't have to fill those in .. it's for special needy people .. like toresbe |
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| 02:56.56 | Lorian | abrotman: No :\ I put in what I recognized... and I didn't set the IRQ tho, but it defaulted as 0 I guess. |
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| 02:57.16 | Lorian | abrotman: Now when I try to remove the mod it says the device is busy or cannot be accessed. |
| 02:57.22 | abrotman | Lorian: you normally don't have to put anything in |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | Lorian: yeah .. ifconfig -a .. see it ? |
| 02:58.20 | Lorian | abrotman: It is listed with lo and eth0... no ip with it tho |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | Lorian: ifdown eth0 && modprobe -r 3c95x |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | err 59x |
| 02:58.51 | abrotman | whichever it is! |
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| 02:58.53 | wang | HI how do i install an icon theme |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | for what? |
| 02:59.14 | wang | bitcx |
| 02:59.16 | wang | bitchx |
| 02:59.17 | wang | HEHE |
| 02:59.20 | wang | for gnome |
| 02:59.21 | abrotman | #bitchx! |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | wang: for nautilus ? |
| 02:59.47 | wang | hmm i don't know =( |
| 02:59.56 | wang | i just downloaded stuff from gnome-look.org |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | wang: which versino of debian ? |
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| 03:00.41 | daemonic | is there any way to recruisively go through a directory and it's subs and change the case of uppercase files to lower? |
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| 03:00.56 | wang | how would i go about finding that out? i know it's sarge and i just installed the 2.4.6 kernel |
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| 03:01.34 | abrotman | wang: under the Applications menu .. there should be liek a Preferences menu .. there's a theme GUI thingie .. try that |
| 03:01.58 | wang | yeah i did that and it turned all of my old icons back to like, extremely odd ones |
| 03:02.05 | wang | must be an incompatable thing i installed |
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| 03:02.46 | ViRal | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:02.46 | wang | bad! |
| 03:02.50 | ViRal | :( |
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| 03:03.03 | ViRal | i blame the carrots... |
| 03:03.33 | Epod69 | what is the best way, it is just a file server debian system i want to be able to remotely administer through the network (ethernet) |
| 03:03.33 | ViRal | how bout remote desktop? |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | ViRal: stop |
| 03:03.45 | Epod69 | i dont have a gui on the server either |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | Epod69: ssh |
| 03:03.53 | jevere | Epod69: ssh |
| 03:03.55 | ViRal | yeah, then ssh would be best |
| 03:04.03 | Epod69 | cool, thanks everyone |
| 03:04.08 | daemonic | no utility or script to go through a directory and change uppercase letters to lower? |
| 03:04.24 | ViRal | not any that ive found... |
| 03:04.43 | pureone | your have to make it your self most probley :) |
| 03:04.47 | abrotman | daemonic: rename ? tr ? |
| 03:05.04 | ViRal | !google "utilty or script to go through a directory and change uppercase letters to lower" |
| 03:05.13 | dpkg | Google says utilty or script to go through a directory and change uppercase letters to lower is at http://66.220.1.171/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11796&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=170 or http://directory.rebusnet.biz/?cat=13 or http://directory.rebusnet.biz/index.php?cat=13 or http://www.seindal.dk/rene/gnu/changelog.htm or http://goemon.polito.it/elda/AutoIndex/index.php?dir=Guide/Linux-Newbie-Administrator-Guide/&file=lnag_2page.pdf |
| 03:05.56 | ViRal | theres my best guess |
| 03:06.18 | daemonic | ooops |
| 03:06.19 | ViRal | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:06.37 | daemonic | sorry |
| 03:06.40 | daemonic | it slipped |
| 03:06.41 | ViRal | i wonder if theres a !yahoo function... |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | ViRal: if there is .. don't use it |
| 03:06.55 | oKtosiTe_ | maybe I''ll come back later... ;-) |
| 03:07.12 | ViRal | sorry :9 |
| 03:07.14 | wang | i can't seem to install any themes or icons now |
| 03:07.17 | ViRal | *:( |
| 03:07.17 | wang | i broke it |
| 03:07.18 | wang | =( |
| 03:07.29 | ViRal | sounds familiar |
| 03:07.34 | ViRal | like what i did! |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | wang: themes are overrated :) |
| 03:07.43 | wang | yar |
| 03:08.39 | ViRal | im not gunna say what i was gonne say, cause people would just get mad at me |
| 03:08.44 | ViRal | *gunna |
| 03:08.49 | oKtosiTe_ | lol |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | thank god |
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| 03:09.18 | oKtosiTe_ | s/gunna/gunna/ |
| 03:09.23 | wang | i wonder how i did this |
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| 03:09.38 | ViRal | !kill me |
| 03:09.51 | wang | everything went awry when I tried to install an icon theme |
| 03:09.53 | wang | =( |
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| 03:09.58 | ViRal | more then he already did |
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| 03:10.17 | wang | now every icon on my desktop is like, the default document icon in nautilus |
| 03:10.23 | mhall | hahaha |
| 03:10.30 | wang | you see what god just did me man |
| 03:10.59 | oKtosiTe_ | wang: that only happens to me when I use Nautilus with some weird desktop environment other than gnome... |
| 03:11.19 | wang | okt: what do you do to back track? |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | go back to the old theme |
| 03:11.42 | mhall | wang: perhaps try irc.gimp.org #gnome |
| 03:11.54 | oKtosiTe_ | wang: I change themes... or as I am doing now: I use gnome ;-) |
| 03:12.07 | Epod69 | anyone know of a good site that explains how to setup ssh? |
| 03:12.11 | oKtosiTe_ | wang: sorry, can't really be of much help. |
| 03:12.20 | madradrone | Epod69: set up how? |
| 03:12.21 | wang | abrotman : you're a gentleman and a scholar, egads it worked |
| 03:12.34 | abrotman | wang: duh :) |
| 03:12.51 | abrotman | wang: next time .. don't try to install a bitchx theme on nautilus :) |
| 03:12.52 | Epod69 | madradrone, i have not clue or idea how to use ssh |
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| 03:12.57 | wang | lol |
| 03:13.02 | wang | smart ass |
| 03:13.04 | oKtosiTe_ | hehe |
| 03:13.05 | wang | hehe |
| 03:13.17 | madradrone | Epod69: install ssh on both machines. then ssh <user>@<remotehost> |
| 03:13.24 | oKtosiTe_ | Epod69: familiar with terminals? |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | Epod69: apt-get install ssh .. for windows .. get PuTTy |
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| 03:13.52 | Epod69 | oKtosiTe_, not too much, used terminals with windows but ones that were already setup |
| 03:13.56 | madradrone | better than putty for windows is cygwin |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | madradrone: overkill for just ssh |
| 03:14.24 | Epod69 | so would "ssh root@192.168.0.100" work ? |
| 03:14.34 | abrotman | Epod69: what is the client ? |
| 03:14.34 | madradrone | abrotman: with cygwin you can ssh to a windows box |
| 03:14.53 | Epod69 | abrotman, all linux systems, im trying to connect to a file server |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | madradrone: but .. who cares .. windows is pretty useless with onyl a shell |
| 03:15.07 | ViRal | yeah |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | Epod69: you need ssh server on the server .. and ssh client on the clients |
| 03:15.16 | ViRal | i agree with abrot |
| 03:15.20 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: When my Windows-using Russian friend asked me why he should have PuTTy on his boxen, I told him: "So you can remain a friend." |
| 03:15.34 | ViRal | is ftp the only protocall you can upload files on? |
| 03:15.46 | madradrone | abrotman: depends. if its a server you can use sc.exe to run/stop services, etc. |
| 03:15.58 | oKtosiTe_ | Epod69: basically you can control a shell on box a from box b. |
| 03:16.04 | Epod69 | abrotman, is the packages called ssh server and ssh client, i know i have ssh installed |
| 03:16.06 | abrotman | madradrone: unless your ssh service died :) |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | Epod69: apt-cache search ssh |
| 03:16.25 | madradrone | abrotman: :-) |
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| 03:16.44 | oKtosiTe_ | Epod69: it is server and client, yes |
| 03:16.49 | madradrone | abrotman: usually though, if you can get ssh working on it, it runs reliably |
| 03:17.00 | Epod69 | oKtosiTe_, yes |
| 03:17.04 | madradrone | abrotman: and i even like the cron that cygwin provides. |
| 03:17.04 | abrotman | madradrone: there's only so much you can do with ssh |
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| 03:18.02 | abrotman | on a windows box anyways |
| 03:18.04 | toker | my apt-get did somthin funny and now i cant get k3b.....it requires a whole lot of dependencies which it cant get. can anyone help? |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | Lorian: where'd you go ? |
| 03:18.22 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: heh, for a second there I thought you'd lost it. |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | toker: on etch/testing ? |
| 03:18.33 | abrotman | oKtosiTe_: i have .. |
| 03:18.44 | Epod69 | anyone know the exact packages needed to use ssh, cause apt-get cache search ssh get a lot of results which some dont look like they are needed |
| 03:18.49 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: need help finding it back? |
| 03:18.50 | Lorian | abrotman: I am kinda afk for a minute, I'll return shortly. |
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| 03:19.12 | abrotman | Lorian: oh ok .. i thought your packets were lost in siberia! |
| 03:19.22 | abrotman | oKtosiTe_: i kind of prefer it this way :) |
| 03:19.27 | blanky | I downloaded the ISOs but they had bad integrity, so I'm downloading the netinstall |
| 03:19.28 | Lorian | abrotman: lol, nah I have trouble talking on the phone and typing at the same time. |
| 03:19.33 | blanky | are there any downsides to the netinstall? |
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| 03:19.42 | deadcat | no |
| 03:19.48 | deadcat | unless you on 56k |
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| 03:19.51 | Epod69 | blanky, other then longer install |
| 03:19.54 | oKtosiTe_ | abrotman: you don't like it? preferring it being lost and all... |
| 03:19.55 | Epod69 | lol |
| 03:20.06 | blanky | Epod69, oh yeah it's longer cause you have to download the stuff right? |
| 03:20.20 | abrotman | blanky: but would be shorter than downloading 14CDs |
| 03:20.31 | Epod69 | blanky, yep, and its all the updated packages too |
| 03:20.32 | blanky | actually im going for the 2 DVDs |
| 03:20.37 | blanky | but the first one had bad md5 hash |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | yes .. that too |
| 03:20.59 | blanky | what updated packages what? oh netinst has updated packages, right? |
| 03:21.26 | bucky | get the 100M netinstall iso it's the best way |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | blanky: yes .. kind of .. since it gets them from http .. it will get security updates instead of getting broken and then you needing to get those updates too |
| 03:21.34 | blanky | that's what we're talking about... |
| 03:21.37 | Epod69 | blanky, it installs the most recent packages cause you are installing them from the net, which is updated =P |
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| 03:21.41 | blanky | abrotman, oh okay |
| 03:21.48 | bucky | !tell blanky about d-i |
| 03:22.02 | blanky | :D so it wont have all the old packages debian usually comes with |
| 03:22.04 | abrotman | blanky: as long as you have broadband at the install site .. the netinst is the smarter way to go |
| 03:22.18 | bucky | blanky: define old |
| 03:22.20 | Epod69 | so is anyone here pretty familiar with how ssh works and what packages are needed |
| 03:22.22 | Epod69 | ? |
| 03:22.33 | blanky | okay thanks |
| 03:22.43 | abrotman | Epod69: apt-get install ssh |
| 03:22.43 | blanky | apt-get install ssh |
| 03:22.47 | blanky | it'll install open-ssh too |
| 03:23.03 | Epod69 | thats it? |
| 03:23.08 | Epod69 | cause i know the client has ssh |
| 03:23.09 | ViRal | can you upload files via ssh? |
| 03:23.14 | Lorian | abrotman: now that I have some more commands to work with I'm going to reinstall and see why it wouldn't load that module. |
| 03:23.15 | toker | abrotman, whats etch/testing? |
| 03:23.20 | Epod69 | i seen it as installed through kpackage |
| 03:23.27 | blanky | hey guys what's the debian installer |
| 03:23.36 | ViRal | apt-get ? |
| 03:23.38 | blanky | ViRal, I'm pretty sure, something about scp or something |
| 03:23.42 | Guerin | blanky: it's the thing you use to install debian |
| 03:23.45 | Guerin | amazingly |
| 03:23.49 | blanky | yeah, but dont all CDs come with it... |
| 03:24.00 | blanky | why did I get a seperate link for it (bucky) gave me, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | toker: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show me |
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| 03:24.24 | Guerin | blanky: read the install guide if you have questions |
| 03:24.31 | toker | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:24.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 03:24.53 | toker | abrotman, nope, no packages |
| 03:24.55 | blanky | Guerin, can you please just answer this little question; do all cds come with the debian installer? if they do, I dont need this (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) right? |
| 03:25.01 | Epod69 | blanky, download the netstall iso, burn it to a cd, reboot your machine and you are on your way to the best linux distro in the world, that simple =P |
| 03:25.18 | blanky | okay cool, I know that, but someone confused me with the whole deiban installer thing |
| 03:25.40 | abrotman | toker: you don't have libc6 installed ? |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | toker: on your linux system |
| 03:25.51 | Guerin | blanky: yes, you can boot at least cd1 and install from it |
| 03:26.02 | Guerin | i haven't tried the others but I presume they're the same |
| 03:26.05 | mhall | Epod69: that it's the best goes without saying. of course it's the best; i use it. :-D |
| 03:26.13 | toker | abrotman, right |
| 03:26.32 | toker | abrotman, apt-get did something wierd and removed a whole lot of stuff |
| 03:26.38 | bucky | blanky: most newbies can't figure out how to configure their ethernet with the regular install cd's.. that's why netinstall is good.. it does that for you |
| 03:26.41 | Epod69 | heh, and maybe some bios changes =P |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | toker: did it say "YOU"RE DOING SOMETHING VERY BAD!" |
| 03:26.53 | blanky | bucky, okay thanks |
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| 03:27.07 | toker | abrotman, no, or i didnt read carefully |
| 03:27.20 | Epod69 | blanky, have you installed a linux distro before ? |
| 03:27.29 | blanky | ...of course... |
| 03:27.30 | bucky | toker: which version of debian are you running? |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | toker: dpkg -l | grep libc6 .. see anything ? |
| 03:27.31 | toker | abrotman, all i did was apt-get install monopd and it started removing |
| 03:27.39 | Epod69 | then you should be fine =) ! |
| 03:27.43 | blanky | lol, okay |
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| 03:27.57 | toker | dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 03:27.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
| 03:28.04 | Epod69 | the installer is pretty easy |
| 03:28.06 | toker | abrotman, nope |
| 03:28.12 | abrotman | toker: are you running linux ? |
| 03:28.18 | bucky | you can't not have libc6 |
| 03:28.19 | oKtosiTe_ | bucky: pure nonsense, the first install cd does exactly the same thing as the netinstall cd when it comes to net configuration. |
| 03:28.19 | toker | abrotman, yes |
| 03:28.32 | toker | abrotman, wierd isnt it... |
| 03:28.37 | bucky | oKtosiTe_: not in my experience |
| 03:28.51 | bucky | oKtosiTe_: but i have used those since woody |
| 03:28.54 | toker | abrotman, it still runs fine though |
| 03:28.57 | abrotman | toker: apt-get install libc6 |
| 03:29.15 | oKtosiTe_ | bucky: there's my point, the netinstal,l didn't do it with woody either. |
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| 03:29.27 | bucky | oKtosiTe_: wtf |
| 03:29.29 | toker | abrotman, apt-get says i have it so thats not the problem |
| 03:29.49 | abrotman | toker: right .. i have no idea what you've done to your machine .. but i suspect it may not reboot :) |
| 03:30.00 | toker | abrotman, no it has |
| 03:30.07 | oKtosiTe_ | bucky: that whole dhcp thing was introduced with the new debian installer, in other words sarge |
| 03:30.18 | bucky | oKtosiTe_: i'm trying to get some stupid windows user to do something sane and use the netinstall iso and you just want to give me bullshit? |
| 03:30.34 | wang | wow my desktop is now flamboyant like Elton John |
| 03:30.40 | wang | 1970's Elton tho |
| 03:30.47 | oKtosiTe_ | bucky: I'm only truing to inform you, I would suggest he use the netinstall cd though ;-) |
| 03:31.25 | oKtosiTe_ | bucky: That's an interesting attitude ;-) |
| 03:31.38 | bucky | jesus christ.. if you have to tell someone ten times to use the goddamn netinstall iso they need to use something else |
| 03:31.40 | Epod69 | the ssh man page says its for clients, what is needed on the server for ssh to work ? |
| 03:31.42 | toker | abrotman, says dependencies k3blibs, kdelibs4, libarts1, and libqt3c102 are missing |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | dude .. KDE is all kinds of fucked up |
| 03:32.00 | toker | abrotman, and those require many dependencies that are missing each |
| 03:32.01 | bucky | like kuntbutu |
| 03:32.11 | mhall | abrotman: not quite |
| 03:32.14 | mhall | abrotman: is this etch? |
| 03:32.16 | toker | abrotman, yea, figured thats what it was |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | mhall: in testing it is :) |
| 03:32.23 | mhall | abrotman: if so, ABI transition is the deal |
| 03:32.27 | Epod69 | ok, sshd does is for ther server, nm |
| 03:32.37 | mhall | toker: wait a few weeks they are busy recompiling packages onto the new C++ ABI |
| 03:32.42 | abrotman | mhall: i know what it is |
| 03:33.04 | mhall | toker: 3.3.x and 3.4.x + 4.0.x g++ compilers do not generate compatible libraries and binaries |
| 03:33.30 | toker | mhall, so what can i do? |
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| 03:33.37 | mhall | toker: wait a couple weeks |
| 03:33.41 | toker | damn |
| 03:33.45 | mhall | toker: or build from source |
| 03:33.59 | mhall | toker: or use unstable where it's fixed |
| 03:34.06 | asuffield | it's mostly "getting stuff into testing that's caught up in the kde-gnome-perl-python-php-c++-gcc-glibc-everyfuckingthing dependency knot takes forever" more than anything in particular |
| 03:34.06 | mhall | toker: or use stable where it's not an issue |
| 03:34.18 | toker | mhall, what should i do after a few weeks? |
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| 03:34.25 | mhall | toker: apt-get update |
| 03:34.28 | toker | kk |
| 03:34.31 | mhall | toker: and it will have fixed itself |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | though it's been a few weeks already :) |
| 03:34.53 | brunoj1 | i´d like a chocolate |
| 03:34.55 | mhall | it was much faster in unstabled |
| 03:35.01 | mhall | couple of weeks was all it took |
| 03:35.09 | mhall | asuffield: why is etch rougher about it than sid |
| 03:35.13 | brunoj1 | _|_ to you |
| 03:35.14 | asuffield | that's because unstable just needs to have the stuff uploaded |
| 03:35.19 | mhall | asuffield: i would have guessed opposite to be true |
| 03:35.22 | asuffield | testing is far more complicated |
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| 03:35.39 | asuffield | roughly, all the stuff in that immense dependency knot has to go into testing at the same time |
| 03:35.46 | asuffield | and there's always *something* broken |
| 03:35.48 | mhall | asuffield: *yoiks* |
| 03:35.51 | gravity | Which is more than a little gross |
| 03:36.14 | mhall | not the first time sid is better than testing |
| 03:36.16 | brunoj1 | sudo apt-get moh |
| 03:36.19 | asuffield | so basically it only happens when vorlon goes around and shoots all the maintainers of all of it |
| 03:36.20 | brunoj1 | sudo apt-get moo |
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| 03:36.23 | asuffield | until they stop breaking it |
| 03:36.36 | mhall | asuffield: what does he shoot them with? |
| 03:36.38 | asuffield | which is like 50 different people |
| 03:36.39 | mhall | asuffield: taser? |
| 03:36.46 | gravity | We need to get him a taser |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | i vote for a BB gun :) |
| 03:37.07 | mhall | gravity: and perhaps some BOFH-level lart gear |
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| 03:37.34 | abrotman | how about just get him a gift certificate to Cabella's ? |
| 03:37.54 | gravity | He's already got that |
| 03:38.01 | abrotman | he does ? |
| 03:38.05 | abrotman | is he from kentucky ? |
| 03:38.11 | oKtosiTe_ | I was starting to wonder if brunoj1 was lost... |
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| 03:38.35 | mhall | oKtosiTe_: yeah talk about ultimate wrong window |
| 03:38.49 | oKtosiTe_ | mhall: :D |
| 03:39.13 | beauty_G | hai:p |
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| 03:40.05 | oKtosiTe_ | now here's someone sensible... |
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| 03:42.40 | roler | I get a lot of messages when debian starts up something like "Skipping unavailable/built in asdf123 module" |
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| 03:43.47 | ke6isf | ...this has been yet another useless fact. |
| 03:43.52 | fbi | !satan++ |
| 03:43.53 | abrotman | roler: that is .. silly |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 03:43.57 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a kurumin user |
| 03:44.10 | roler | abrotman, ; Ya. well I was just wondering how to get rid of them |
| 03:44.11 | fbi | fuck is kurumin |
| 03:44.20 | abrotman | roler: stop trying to load that nonexistent module |
| 03:44.50 | fbi | another based on debian clone |
| 03:44.57 | Guerin | kurumin is brazilian knoppix |
| 03:44.58 | Lorian | abrotman: ok, that module still fails during install... May I paste you the output pm? |
| 03:45.00 | ke6isf | so is that so bad? |
| 03:45.03 | fbi | haha. even better |
| 03:45.12 | roler | abrotman, ; heh... well somehow they are loading bythemselves. is it sometihng in /etc? |
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| 03:45.32 | roler | abrotman, ; nothing is in /etc/modules |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | !flood |
| 03:45.34 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | Lorian: ^^ |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | roler: /etc/modules .. |
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| 03:45.58 | Roey | hi! |
| 03:46.09 | Lorian | abrotman: ok |
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| 03:46.23 | roler | abrotman, ; its not in there. do you think its the discover.conf? |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | roler: i'd think someone else would have discovered that bug .. but you can check there |
| 03:47.06 | Lorian | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1183 |
| 03:47.12 | roler | ok thanks, rebooting |
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| 03:47.28 | abrotman | Lorian: what did you use to install ? |
| 03:47.36 | blanky | guys in net install it's asking me for apt configuration |
| 03:47.42 | abrotman | Lorian: and did you just install |
| 03:47.43 | blanky | should I sellect http or ftp (obviously not cdrom) |
| 03:47.49 | blanky | in net install |
| 03:47.51 | blanky | for apt |
| 03:47.54 | cddesjar | ftp |
| 03:47.57 | cddesjar | or either |
| 03:48.00 | cddesjar | i use ftp |
| 03:48.02 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 03:48.02 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
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| 03:48.06 | blanky | can I choose http? I think it's faster |
| 03:48.11 | Lorian | abrotman: yes, I am still in the process I stopped at that failure... the CD is Woody 3.0 r1 |
| 03:48.11 | cddesjar | sure |
| 03:48.17 | Guerin | blanky: stop asking us every stupid question |
| 03:48.20 | blanky | will i have any problems? oh well hopefully not |
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| 03:48.29 | cddesjar | if you do rerun apt-setup |
| 03:48.33 | Guerin | blanky: try and think for yourself, and failing that, let the UI designers think for you |
| 03:48.41 | abrotman | Lorian: broadband ? |
| 03:48.41 | cddesjar | Guerin: i like that widhe |
| 03:48.45 | Lorian | abrotman: sorry that should be r2 |
| 03:48.52 | Lorian | abrotman: yes |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | !d-i Lorian |
| 03:48.57 | dpkg | Lorian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:49.09 | relbs_ | when manually installing a .deb file with dpkg, is it possible to have dpkg automatically retrieve and install unsatisfied dependencies the way apt-get install does it? |
| 03:49.17 | abrotman | Lorian: woody is old .. very old .. that kernel is .. 4-5 years old .. at least |
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| 03:49.24 | Lorian | lol |
| 03:49.30 | Lorian | Oh my goodness |
| 03:49.38 | cddesjar | 2.2? |
| 03:49.45 | abrotman | cddesjar: 2.2.20ide-pci |
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| 03:49.51 | beardy | 2.2.something and 2.4.18 |
| 03:49.55 | fbi | bf24 |
| 03:49.56 | cddesjar | that is old |
| 03:50.06 | nvz | heh I never noticed the live counter when logging into gmail |
| 03:50.08 | Lorian | Sorry, I didn't realize that |
| 03:50.13 | fbi | it still works on older hardware |
| 03:50.25 | fbi | woody runs fine on my old thinkpad |
| 03:50.32 | Lorian | I figured that once I got it going I could just apt-install an update |
| 03:50.33 | nvz | " Over 2669.187589 megabytes (and counting) of free storage so you'll never need to delete another message." |
| 03:50.36 | abrotman | Lorian: what are the specs on this machine? |
| 03:50.40 | Lorian | Yeah I installed it fine on an old pII that I had |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | fbi: it's that damn 2.2.20ide-pci kernel though |
| 03:50.50 | beardy | Of course it works, and fine too. But sarge is stable now, and if you can, run it. |
| 03:50.59 | fbi | abrotman: i've never used that, always the bf24 for sound reasons |
| 03:51.00 | abrotman | Lorian: or you can try apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 |
| 03:51.00 | Lorian | abrotman: Amd 1.4Ghz 512RAM |
| 03:51.14 | abrotman | or -386 |
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| 03:51.25 | fbi | i never tried getting sound working on the 2.2 kernel because i read it was a nightmare |
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| 03:51.31 | Lorian | abrotman: well I can't use apt-get unless I have the card configured... that was my problem :) |
| 03:51.34 | Lorian | :\ |
| 03:51.49 | xercist | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | Lorian: on the CD ? |
| 03:52.13 | abrotman | xercist: add the newline ? |
| 03:52.18 | xercist | abrotman, to? |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | xercist: apt-get update ? |
| 03:52.22 | cddesjar | i <3 backports |
| 03:52.32 | xercist | abrotman, yes, that doesn't work |
| 03:52.35 | Lorian | abrotman: well I only had 1 cd... and I had some from waay back in the Patato days |
| 03:52.54 | xercist | or rather, it works but doesn't fix it |
| 03:52.58 | Lorian | I figured that the latest kernal that was on the cd would be installed? |
| 03:53.17 | abrotman | Lorian: it's ok . did you scan the CD after installation ? |
| 03:53.51 | Lorian | abrotman: yes, originall I didn't even have netselect installed... so I installed that from the Potato iso |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | Lorian: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 .. see anything ? |
| 03:54.48 | Lorian | Nah, I rebooted immediately after you guys told me how old that was... I'll just grab a newer iso... that will hopefully solve the problems that I am having. |
| 03:55.13 | abrotman | Lorian: erm .. ok .. up to you |
| 03:55.55 | Lorian | abrotman: Thanks for your help, I have learned some new commands from this problem ;) |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:56.18 | abrotman | antgel: see .. people like me! |
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| 03:56.30 | phobos | hello |
| 03:56.52 | phobos | how can i tell a program to search the some libraries in it's execution path? |
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| 03:57.26 | phobos | i want to use centericq on a box that where i don't have root access. i just want to copy some binaries |
| 03:57.57 | phobos | or is there an easy way to compile a static centericq version that includes the libs? |
| 03:57.59 | abrotman | phobos: it's easier to do a local compile and $HOME |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | err |
| 03:58.06 | abrotman | phobos: it's easier to do a local compile and $HOME install |
| 03:58.09 | sandman | Man elinks is nice. |
| 03:58.16 | sandman | I thought it supported javascript? |
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| 03:58.23 | cap | Links2 does. |
| 03:58.33 | jevere | relbs_: have you ever tried: wajig install <.deb file> ? |
| 03:59.02 | phobos | abrotman: i tried it but i had a compilation error. i don't remember what it was. it finally found all libs and includes but won't compile |
| 03:59.30 | abrotman | !depends centericq sarge |
| 03:59.34 | dpkg | centericq: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcurl3 (>= 7.12.3-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0), libgpgme11 (>= 1.0.1), libidn11 (>= 0.5.2), libjpeg62, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libssl0.9.7, libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), centericq-common |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | oh .. is that all ? |
| 03:59.48 | phobos | yep ;) probably |
| 03:59.59 | phobos | but only curl and ncurses are missing |
| 04:00.24 | abrotman | nvz: phone?!?!!? |
| 04:00.31 | nvz | abrotman: yep |
| 04:00.55 | abrotman | nvz: what's next .. intarweb? |
| 04:00.59 | bucky | phobos: well it definately needs libncurses5 so to build it prolly need libncurses5-dev |
| 04:01.07 | nvz | abrotman: oh, its got intarweb.. it just sucks |
| 04:01.12 | nvz | abrotman: I need a real phone |
| 04:01.35 | nvz | abrotman: I couldnt decide on a phone with a decent web plan, so I went and got a free one for now |
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| 04:01.43 | abrotman | phobos: why not just ask the admin to install it ? |
| 04:01.48 | phobos | bucky: i build ncurses on the target machine. but centericq didn't compile |
| 04:01.51 | abrotman | nvz: good plan |
| 04:02.02 | nvz | abrotman: web on these free phones is a joke |
| 04:02.07 | bucky | phobos: ./configure --help |
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| 04:02.11 | nvz | abrotman: they want you to buy _everything_ |
| 04:02.19 | abrotman | duh |
| 04:02.22 | bucky | phobos: it will tell you how to use the -I flag |
| 04:02.25 | phobos | abrotman: because he's on the other side of the world ;) |
| 04:02.33 | abrotman | phobos: send him an email ? |
| 04:02.35 | nvz | abrotman: I am lucky if I can trick their webmail into checking gmail |
| 04:02.38 | phobos | bucky: yes, but it didn't work |
| 04:02.45 | abrotman | nvz: or use pop3 ? |
| 04:02.55 | nvz | abrotman: it'll do AIM, MSN, Yahoo.. not irc though :P |
| 04:03.08 | bucky | phobos: then you didn't -I/path/to/header/includes |
| 04:03.09 | nvz | not that I would want to with a 9key pad and a tiny ass screen |
| 04:03.15 | phobos | abrotman: yes, but it took a week to get ssh access again, so installing the libs would prolly take a year |
| 04:03.22 | phobos | phobos, i did |
| 04:03.26 | phobos | oops |
| 04:03.28 | phobos | bucky, i did |
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| 04:03.52 | bucky | phobos: and it didn't build? |
| 04:04.04 | abrotman | phobos: why install libs .. apt-get install centericq .. "dishes are done dude!" |
| 04:04.20 | bucky | it's a rube goldberg thing |
| 04:04.27 | bucky | no root access |
| 04:04.31 | phobos | bucky: but it still wasn't able to find the ncurses headers. so i copied them in to the centericq source tree and changed the #includes |
| 04:05.50 | phobos | abrotman: yes, if it was a debian system ;). it's a suse. well, it's not harder to install the rpm, but i don't know when he would do it |
| 04:05.59 | phobos | bucky: it didn't build |
| 04:06.10 | abrotman | phobos: i'm gonna smack you |
| 04:06.15 | bucky | i blame it on suse |
| 04:06.37 | nvz | abrotman: it seems I can check pop.gmail.com but I cannot send. I have to send through my phone's email |
| 04:06.37 | abrotman | phobos: ask #suse .. but i think there's a relocate feature for RPM |
| 04:06.41 | phobos | i don't like it either, i promise ;) |
| 04:06.45 | abrotman | nvz: that's not so bad |
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| 04:07.12 | phobos | abrotman: ok. i will have a look for that |
| 04:07.20 | Arafangion | What are some good real-time replication solutions? |
| 04:07.55 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but I need a better phone with larger touchscreen, keyboard at least 33key, web that supports SSL, tables and content..etc |
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| 04:08.06 | Arafangion | Hello Samus_Aran? |
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| 04:08.47 | nvz | abrotman: correction I can _not_ check gmail |
| 04:08.57 | Lorian | get a blackberry nvz ;) |
| 04:08.59 | abrotman | nvz: damn you! |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | Lorian: being sued into oblivion |
| 04:09.10 | nvz | abrotman: logging in via web wont work because it doesnt do ssl, and its on a non-standard port and it wont let me specify |
| 04:09.18 | Lorian | hehe |
| 04:09.21 | nvz | Lorian: I was going to.. they are being sued |
| 04:09.37 | Lorian | oh.. wow |
| 04:09.40 | abrotman | Lorian: news.google.com "RIM lawsuit" |
| 04:09.41 | nvz | Lorian: when the embedded modem is useless because they loose the patent dispute then what |
| 04:10.03 | bluestrain | blackberry pie? |
| 04:10.06 | Lorian | nods |
| 04:10.32 | Arafangion | Is Samus here? xchat-text is *wierd* |
| 04:10.36 | nvz | I went and got a sprint phone even though I would rather have had a much better phone and better web service |
| 04:10.58 | nvz | sprint wants like $80/mo for unlimited web if I get a sprint based PDA |
| 04:10.58 | abrotman | Arafangion: wrong video game |
| 04:11.09 | cddesjar_ | irssi-text is the only way to irc |
| 04:11.09 | Lorian | can you get verizon? |
| 04:11.12 | nvz | nextel only wanted like $49.95 for the blackbery |
| 04:11.28 | nvz | I wanted sprint or nextel because its what all my friends and family have |
| 04:11.30 | Arafangion | Samus: RAID generally has a fast connection between drives. |
| 04:11.34 | Lorian | ah |
| 04:11.34 | nvz | I dont want them to have to pay to call me |
| 04:11.50 | Lorian | yea I can't blame ya there |
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| 04:12.33 | nvz | no point in having a phone when nobody will call because it cost too much |
| 04:12.51 | nvz | gotta get to work now.. :P |
| 04:13.00 | Lorian | no doubt |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | nvz: you're late! |
| 04:13.30 | Lorian | get to work then! |
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| 04:13.45 | nvz | abrotman: shh.. :P |
| 04:13.47 | phobos | well. there is a prefix option to relocate an rpm but the freakin deps will kill me |
| 04:14.25 | phobos | it's not that easy to find the right rpm for my system |
| 04:14.51 | Lorian | Heh, I got that netinstall iso.. it has made it to 92% into the hardware detection and now froze :0 |
| 04:15.17 | Lorian | At least is is sarge this time tho .. hehe |
| 04:15.26 | fbi | Lorian: try the 2.6 kernel |
| 04:15.42 | Lorian | fbi: okies |
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| 04:16.06 | k-man | why does gnome have mozilla-browser as a dependancy? |
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| 04:16.41 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 04:16.41 | dpkg | it has been said that install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 04:17.10 | k-man | hmmm |
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| 04:18.46 | blanky | last question, it's asking for the xserver driver, I'm installing in vmware, should I choose vmware? or smething else |
| 04:18.49 | phobos | isn't it possible to compile center icq static on my box? |
| 04:19.00 | fbi | k-man: hint: don't run gnome. |
| 04:19.38 | k-man | hmmm |
| 04:19.39 | blanky | anyone? please? :( |
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| 04:20.12 | abrotman | phobos: yes |
| 04:20.19 | k-man | blanky, yes, install vmware driver |
| 04:20.36 | blanky | okay, it's cause in a tut of installing debian in vmware it said vga, just amking sure, thanks! |
| 04:20.38 | Arafangion | The situation is that at least two sites want to have a distributed file system. |
| 04:20.38 | phobos | abrotman: and how? :) |
| 04:20.53 | abrotman | phobos: absolutely no idea! ..but i bet google has some ideas |
| 04:21.03 | Arafangion | So that they can see the changes, however the sites will rarely (if ever) modify files simultaniously. |
| 04:21.09 | phobos | abrotman: lol. ok |
| 04:21.10 | Arafangion | THe sites, however, are joined by quite slow links. |
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| 04:24.15 | phobos | isn't there a way to tell centericq where the missing libs are? |
| 04:24.28 | abrotman | phobos: kick it in the head! |
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| 04:25.31 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP. LIONS! |
| 04:25.39 | zinx | ONLY IN KENYA |
| 04:25.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:25.47 | gravity | :-) |
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| 04:26.09 | abrotman | tha'ts so much better than |
| 04:26.11 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 04:26.11 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 04:26.52 | cddesjar_ | blame canada blame canada |
| 04:27.11 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 04:27.11 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 04:27.16 | bucky | phobos: rpm -i --root /home/phobos centericq.rpm |
| 04:27.33 | k-man | in dd, what is the difference between a block and a byte? |
| 04:27.38 | cddesjar_ | ha ha ha...it's sad to be an american living in canada :( |
| 04:27.48 | abrotman | k-man: you can set the blocksize |
| 04:27.57 | k-man | abrotman, whats the default block size? |
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| 04:28.16 | dondelelcaro | k-man: depends on what bs, ibs, and obs are set to, and what the blocksize of the underlying device is. |
| 04:28.18 | zinx | cddesjar_: as bad as a canadian living in north/south america? |
| 04:28.38 | abrotman | k-man: should say in the man page .. but i think it's 1 byte |
| 04:28.43 | cddesjar_ | zinx: huh? |
| 04:28.45 | k-man | dondelelcaro, um.. so if i want to make a 512Meg file, how would i do that? |
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| 04:29.08 | zinx | cddesjar_: canada is in north america. |
| 04:29.12 | dondelelcaro | k-man: so dd bs=1M count=512 of=foo if=/dev/zero |
| 04:29.16 | cddesjar_ | zinx: yes |
| 04:29.23 | zinx | cddesjar_: canadians are, thusly, americans. |
| 04:29.25 | k-man | ah, i see |
| 04:29.26 | k-man | thanks |
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| 04:29.31 | cshaman | hello |
| 04:29.32 | phobos | bucky: that will not solve my dep problems. i will try to compile a static version now |
| 04:29.45 | cddesjar_ | zinx: oh i see your logic...blasphemy...GW says only Americans are from the US |
| 04:29.46 | dondelelcaro | k-man: or possibly in your case, dd bs=1M count=0 seek=512 of=foo if=/dev/zero |
| 04:29.52 | zinx | cddesjar_: :P |
| 04:29.55 | dondelelcaro | (depending on what you want to do |
| 04:29.59 | cddesjar_ | zinx: it's our manifest destiny |
| 04:30.09 | cshaman | has anyone tried to install ruby via aptitude recently? every time i attempt to download the packages, i receive a 404 not found error from the servers. |
| 04:30.20 | dondelelcaro | cshaman: have you run aptitude update; recently? |
| 04:30.40 | cshaman | no, not recently. but thankyou for reminding me! |
| 04:30.58 | zinx | cshaman: try a different mirror |
| 04:31.05 | bucky | phobos: if you install a binary you don't need includes but you know more than us that's why you're in here asking how to install centericq on a remote suse box |
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| 04:31.28 | cshaman | i apologize for a my ignorance, i am no where near as experienced with linux distributions as many if not all of you here are. |
| 04:31.39 | dondelelcaro | cshaman: no worries. |
| 04:32.04 | abrotman | we should hit him with the noodly appendage |
| 04:32.25 | bluestrain | noodly appendage? |
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| 04:32.42 | abrotman | hrm .. spaghetti monster .. google it |
| 04:32.52 | Arafangion | blue: Don't task. |
| 04:33.10 | bluestrain | yes, I know of the fsm....or is it FSM..... |
| 04:33.14 | SimonRaven | flying spaghetti monster |
| 04:33.15 | bucky | is there a flying spaghetti monster factoid? |
| 04:33.17 | SimonRaven | FSM |
| 04:33.23 | SimonRaven | i think so |
| 04:33.24 | abrotman | !fsm |
| 04:33.29 | phobos | bucky: b/c it doesn't really matter what the remote system is. but thank you anyways |
| 04:33.32 | bucky | we need one |
| 04:33.38 | SimonRaven | !listvals spaghetti |
| 04:33.38 | cddesjar_ | yay! the church of the flying spaghetti monster |
| 04:33.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'spaghetti' by value returned no results. |
| 04:33.51 | SimonRaven | !listvals monster |
| 04:33.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'monster' by value (7): henzilla ;; yawn ;; nessie ;; oprah ;; survival tobita ;; cannibal corpse ;; psdoom. |
| 04:33.58 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 04:33.58 | cddesjar_ | dpkg are you a pastafarian? |
| 04:34.04 | SimonRaven | hrm, guess not |
| 04:34.36 | bucky | phobos: yes it does.. and we get people like you in here expecting us to solve problems for anything *BUT* debian and argue with us when we tell them it's not in the /topic |
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| 04:35.17 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: what is it *this* time? ;P |
| 04:35.47 | abrotman | !FSM is http://www.venganza.org/ |
| 04:35.47 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 04:36.09 | cshaman | is it possible to remove all files related to a certain group of packages? |
| 04:36.52 | abrotman | you could uninstall the package ? |
| 04:36.53 | phobos | bucky: i don't want to argue with you. for the first second it didn't matter b/c i just asked if it's possible to let centericq search the libs in another path. that's not really distro dependent. again, i don't want to argue. i will try the static way now |
| 04:37.03 | Guerin | cshaman: aptitude purge <packagename> <packagename> |
| 04:37.13 | cshaman | i really want to get down to the base install of debian, and learn the 'rudiments' of linux -- i'd like to remove every package related to x-window-system and blackbox |
| 04:37.37 | caphuso | cshaman: you can do that in a xterm too... |
| 04:37.40 | bucky | phobos: we have apt-get... why would we know everything about building something on suse without root access |
| 04:37.59 | Guerin | cshaman: if you installed them using aptitude, the method I gave above will do thart |
| 04:38.11 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: xchat-text sucks, now using irssi. |
| 04:38.13 | abrotman | !tell cshaman about deborphan |
| 04:38.26 | Arafangion | Coda doesn't make me feel safe enough to check it out. |
| 04:38.26 | phobos | bucky: because you all use linux. it's was worth a try, wasn't it? |
| 04:38.33 | rockn | I keep getting this message that I have to identify myself with the network's nickname registration? |
| 04:38.33 | cddesjar_ | !best irc |
| 04:38.43 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: agreed |
| 04:38.44 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 04:38.44 | dpkg | irssi-text is, like, probably the best IRC client |
| 04:38.46 | Guerin | rockn: so do it |
| 04:38.49 | cddesjar_ | that's the ticket |
| 04:38.58 | rockn | what does that mean? |
| 04:39.01 | rockn | where? |
| 04:39.13 | cddesjar_ | register your nickname |
| 04:39.14 | Guerin | rockn: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:39.22 | rockn | tnks |
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| 04:40.14 | Arafangion | Oh the other hand, perhaps coda is reasonable, given a good-sized team of IT experts, for a *large* network. |
| 04:40.28 | Arafangion | But I simply don't need everything coda provides. |
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| 04:41.55 | Arafangion | ie, between a couple of servers. |
| 04:41.57 | asuffield | coda was never really finished properly |
| 04:42.01 | Arafangion | Clients access via normal means. |
| 04:42.22 | litage | how can you determine how many watts and amps a server's psu is using? |
| 04:42.25 | Arafangion | asuffield: There was meant to be a demonstration at the local lug here, but the guys couldn't figure out how to set it up. |
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| 04:42.40 | Arafangion | litage: You measure it... |
| 04:42.44 | asuffield | yeah, that's the sort of thing which was never finished |
| 04:42.50 | asuffield | coda's about at the "technology demo" stage |
| 04:42.54 | asuffield | and it's been there for years |
| 04:43.16 | Lorian | L8rz, thanks for the help to you all! |
| 04:43.49 | Arafangion | asuffield: I remember looking at it 3 years ago. |
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| 04:47.01 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:47.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:47.04 | phobos | ok. i successfully compiled a static version (16.6megs btw). thanks for your help |
| 04:47.09 | abrotman | hahahaha |
| 04:47.18 | abrotman | all that for centericq .. that's .. bizarre |
| 04:47.23 | phobos | yep |
| 04:47.26 | phobos | many deps |
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| 04:47.46 | beardy | haha.. |
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| 04:48.47 | Arafangion | In what situation may apt-get download programs from sid in a mixed system? (Sid has a priority of 60 in preferences) |
| 04:49.17 | zinx | DO NOT MIX STABLE/UNSTABLE |
| 04:49.29 | SimonRaven | we've been over this, zinx ;) |
| 04:49.32 | beardy | Arafangion: That's up to you, and what zinx said. |
| 04:49.37 | fevel | Arafangion: doesnt that break your system?? |
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| 04:49.48 | Arafangion | fevel: No. |
| 04:49.55 | Guerin | it does |
| 04:50.00 | Guerin | it just hasn't, yet |
| 04:50.03 | Arafangion | It's actually downgrading. |
| 04:50.05 | Guerin | in this isolated case |
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| 04:50.08 | SimonRaven | only if you don't know what you're doing |
| 04:50.24 | SimonRaven | it's damned hard to keep it sane though |
| 04:50.28 | beardy | SimonRaven: If he knew that, he wouldn't ask, would he? |
| 04:50.30 | fevel | Arafangion: if use unstable packages...why dont you upgrade to unstable already? |
| 04:50.35 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: Dude, you think I haven't done my research? |
| 04:50.39 | fevel | Arafangion: I find it much more pleasent |
| 04:50.39 | Arafangion | fevel: DOWNGRADE. |
| 04:50.42 | Guerin | Arafangion: it's all explained in man apt_preferences |
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| 04:50.52 | Arafangion | Guerin: Many subtleties aren't. |
| 04:50.58 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: uh, i'm not the one you should be pointing that thing at |
| 04:51.02 | Guerin | Arafangion: in which case we don't know them, either. |
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| 04:51.10 | fevel | Arafangion: havent you heard??? ..... upgrade |
| 04:51.11 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: We discussed this at length a few hours ago :) |
| 04:51.21 | Arafangion | fevel: I am *downgrading*. I do not like unstable. |
| 04:51.27 | fevel | I see |
| 04:51.31 | Guerin | Arafangion: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 04:51.34 | blanky | I ran a perl installer file, how can I exit it (it's still running) |
| 04:51.45 | fevel | I cannot imagine how |
| 04:51.46 | Guerin | blanky: C-c |
| 04:51.48 | encompass | hi all, I know it is a little off topic, but I need to get a driver from a cvs so it will work with my kernel, how do I download from an anon cvs server? |
| 04:51.52 | SimonRaven | yes we did. and i had the impression you were competent enough to handle it |
| 04:51.58 | phobos | k. bye |
| 04:52.04 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: And I am. |
| 04:52.18 | Arafangion | dpkg says nothing new. |
| 04:52.44 | dondelelcaro | encompass: get cvs and checkout the source. |
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| 04:53.08 | fevel | how do I change my repositories so my system becomes unstable when I dist-upgrade |
| 04:53.12 | encompass | but how, I have cvs, did that, but I type cvs -d cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rtl8180-sa2400 |
| 04:53.14 | encompass | and nothing |
| 04:53.16 | Arafangion | One point that made the downgrade much easier, though, was the fact that for some reason this server hadn't performed an apt-get update for ages - since sarge became stable, anyway. |
| 04:53.20 | Arafangion | At least. |
| 04:53.21 | encompass | I can't figure it out |
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| 04:53.48 | tzafrir_laptop | encompas: first: cvs -d cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rtl8180-sa2400 login |
| 04:53.51 | fevel | i mean ... becomes sid |
| 04:53.54 | SimonRaven | that would make it easier. if it were say now, it'd be fucking hard, if not impossible to do sanely |
| 04:53.56 | Grundlebug | I need some help installing my kernel source. I put kubuntu on my laptop and it doesn't install the linux source. I downloaded the tarball for my kernel, 2.6.12, untarred it, set up a symlink to linux. But now I'm trying to install some wireless drivers and I get an error saying it couldn't find my kernel source in /usr/src/linux. Ideas? |
| 04:54.02 | tzafrir_laptop | and press enter (if the password is empty) |
| 04:54.25 | blanky | thanks whoever said the C-c |
| 04:54.26 | Guerin | Grundlebug: you sure do need help if you think #debian is the place to ask ubuntu questions. |
| 04:54.31 | tzafrir_laptop | encompas: then cvs -d cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rtl8180-sa2400 co modulename |
| 04:54.33 | Arafangion | (Infact, stable security updates just got applied today) |
| 04:54.47 | encompass | it says logins like that are only for pservers |
| 04:54.49 | Grundlebug | it's debian based...thought someone might have some ideas. |
| 04:54.57 | Guerin | Grundlebug: #ubuntu |
| 04:55.04 | SimonRaven | cvs -d:pserver:foobar |
| 04:55.06 | Grundlebug | The kubuntu irc channel wasn't very active. |
| 04:55.18 | encompass | ubuntu is |
| 04:55.25 | Grundlebug | thanks, I'll try it |
| 04:55.26 | encompass | but it is a bunch a quacks |
| 04:55.43 | Arafangion | In any case, I've fixed my fair share of sid's borkage, I prefer stable now. |
| 04:55.43 | Guerin | encompass: not until Dapper Drake gets released |
| 04:55.46 | encompass | I fell like I am in a yahoo chat room when I am at ÂŁubuntu |
| 04:55.52 | Guerin | cddesjar_: currently is's whatever noise a badger makes |
| 04:55.58 | tzafrir_laptop | encompass, instructions are here: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=114161 |
| 04:55.59 | Guerin | encompass: |
| 04:56.08 | encompass | thanks |
| 04:56.43 | SimonRaven | and with zsh, you can tab complete the modulename ;) |
| 04:56.44 | cddesjar_ | what? |
| 04:56.58 | blanky | what do i use in debian kde for ynaptic, is there adept? |
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| 04:57.10 | cddesjar_ | Guerin: what's a noise a badge makes? |
| 04:57.24 | SimonRaven | *badger* |
| 04:57.25 | Award | Does anyone know what would cause the following (LPRng and the Samsung GDI drivers): The first time I print after a reboot, it prints fine, the second (and all subsequent) time the config tool reports "waiting for subserver to exit" Then: "cannot open /dev/usb/lp0 device or resource busy"? |
| 04:57.36 | SimonRaven | @dict badger |
| 04:57.38 | SimonRaven | !dict badger |
| 04:57.42 | dpkg | Dictionary 'badger' (3 of 5): Badger dog. (Zo["o]l.) See Dachshund. ;; 2. A brush made of badgers' hair, used by artists. ;; . Badger \Badg"er\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Badgered (?);p. pr. & vb. n. Badgering.] [For sense 1, see 2d Badger; for 2, see 1st Badger.] 1. To tease or annoy, as a badger when baited; to worry or irritate persistently.. |
| 04:57.50 | Award | Note that at one time I didn't have this problem using the same kernel....upgrading something broke it (a very long time ago) but I'm not sure WHAT broke it) |
| 04:58.02 | SimonRaven | bah, not even one for the actual animal |
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| 04:59.20 | cddesjar_ | Guerin: what's a noise a badger makes? |
| 04:59.20 | Guerin | cddesjar_: they don't have badgers where I come from |
| 04:59.44 | cddesjar_ | Guerin: why are you talking about badgers to me? |
| 04:59.53 | tzafrir_laptop | Grundlebug, hint: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` and inquire about kernel-package and make-kpkg . ask #ubuntu for more specific details |
| 05:00.03 | Guerin | cddesjar_: c is on the same half of the keyboard as e, so I pressed it b7y accident |
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| 05:00.06 | Guerin | this happens |
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| 05:00.16 | cddesjar_ | oh |
| 05:00.20 | cddesjar_ | np |
| 05:00.24 | cddesjar_ | i was just really confused |
| 05:00.30 | Guerin | because I just mash the keyboard with my head, mostly |
| 05:00.46 | cddesjar | you use the tab button? |
| 05:00.48 | Guerin | it's plain dumb luck i make any sense at all most days |
| 05:01.01 | cddesjar | no i think you're pretty helpful |
| 05:01.14 | Award | Note that restarting the printer also seems to "fix" the problem |
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| 05:01.44 | blanky | im stupid, i should've just installed debian on my pc instead of vmware, never thought it'd like it though haha |
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| 05:02.11 | parag | how to create custom kde splash screens? anyone |
| 05:02.30 | cddesjar | parag: google? |
| 05:02.37 | Guerin | parag: #kde |
| 05:02.50 | Estes | What kind of software or programming language should i use to edit or eventually split a 2.4GB text file ? perl ? |
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| 05:03.29 | asuffield | only if you really know perl |
| 05:03.52 | Estes | other tip ? |
| 05:04.01 | Guerin | Estes: emacs |
| 05:04.05 | predius_ | whenever I try to cvs import, I get "followed by invalid UTF-8 sequence |
| 05:04.10 | Estes | i really know C i guess it should be the most reasonable idea... |
| 05:04.13 | Estes | hum |
| 05:04.13 | asuffield | or C, or dd |
| 05:04.23 | predius_ | any ideas on what it might be? |
| 05:04.24 | Estes | Guerin, emacs could ? |
| 05:04.26 | asuffield | you can do it in perl *only* if you understand how perl memory allocation works |
| 05:04.32 | Guerin | Estes: i just reread 2.4G |
| 05:04.38 | predius_ | *svn import |
| 05:04.41 | Estes | ok :) |
| 05:04.47 | Guerin | wouldn't split(1) do it? |
| 05:04.48 | Estes | so it will have to be C |
| 05:04.58 | asuffield | Guerin: if you knew where to split in advance. as would dd |
| 05:05.20 | Guerin | that's one hell of a text file |
| 05:05.31 | Guerin | if you have to split on a patter, csplit might be your trick |
| 05:05.35 | Guerin | pattern, even |
| 05:05.38 | Estes | Guerin, sorry... sql backup... |
| 05:05.39 | asuffield | (most other languages have no facility for mangling huge amounts of text efficiently at all) |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | oh god |
| 05:06.45 | asuffield | hah! sql is a bitchqueen to parse |
| 05:06.46 | Estes | Guerin, as you say... |
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| 05:07.33 | Estes | hummm |
| 05:07.36 | Estes | root ? |
| 05:07.45 | Estes | has landed > |
| 05:07.46 | Estes | ? |
| 05:07.48 | Estes | :) |
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| 05:08.01 | Roey | asuffield: hey there! Is "Etch" considered safe enough for Internet-facing services? |
| 05:08.29 | Arafangion | Estes: You could use split and cat. |
| 05:08.42 | Estes | Arafangion, on a 2.4GB file ? |
| 05:08.43 | Guerin | Arafangion: try to keep up. |
| 05:08.44 | rbrtoclto | hi wot is better sarge or sid |
| 05:08.45 | rbrtoclto | ??????????????????????? |
| 05:08.51 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: sarge |
| 05:08.51 | Estes | Arafangion, i'd run out of memory |
| 05:08.52 | rbrtoclto | plz tell me |
| 05:08.52 | cddesjar | ha ha |
| 05:08.58 | Xenguy | die |
| 05:09.03 | Roey | Arafangion: interesting aside: you can creat a script to chain "split" and "cat" and call it "splat". |
| 05:09.08 | Roey | ha, ha ha. |
| 05:09.08 | Roey | I kill me. |
| 05:09.14 | cddesjar | what do you mean wot is better? stability or cutting edge packages? |
| 05:09.27 | rbrtoclto | the fastest like gentoo |
| 05:09.28 | Arafangion | Estes: Doubt it, you split up the large file into a series of smaller ones. |
| 05:09.49 | Guerin | Estes: if you know which lines you need in each hunk, you could use ed or sed or awk to spirit away only those lines |
| 05:09.52 | Estes | Arafangion, and for this, you first have to open the 2.4GB file |
| 05:10.04 | Arafangion | Estes: Yes, but not the entire file. |
| 05:10.11 | Guerin | i'm not sure on the memory management there, though. |
| 05:10.37 | cddesjar | rbrtoclto: i think you want this http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072 |
| 05:11.07 | cddesjar | i don't know if sarge or sid is faster |
| 05:11.11 | cddesjar | sarge is fast enough for me |
| 05:11.19 | cddesjar | but i'm not a speed junky |
| 05:11.24 | Guerin | sarge is objectively better than sid |
| 05:11.32 | Guerin | because it's alweays going to work |
| 05:11.45 | Guerin | whereas sid isn't guaranteed to do anythin on any given day |
| 05:11.47 | cddesjar | if better is qualified as working and more stable |
| 05:11.53 | cddesjar | i would agree |
| 05:12.18 | cddesjar | i tell you i love that gentoo bug report...it's about the funnist thing i've read in a very long time |
| 05:12.19 | rbrtoclto | why is ubuntu |
| 05:12.24 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: because. |
| 05:12.33 | cddesjar | rbrtoclto: ??? |
| 05:12.36 | wireddd | sarge may also be faster because it is more likely to work |
| 05:12.52 | Guerin | wireddd: yes. you'll waste much less time on a sarge box than on a sid box. |
| 05:12.52 | cddesjar | that's true...you spend less time reading apt-listbug and fixing things |
| 05:13.03 | Guerin | all other things equal |
| 05:13.13 | rbrtoclto | the gcc can port for all this the same correct? |
| 05:13.22 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: gcc is gcc |
| 05:13.25 | rbrtoclto | pls teach me |
| 05:13.32 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: man gcc |
| 05:13.39 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: get back to use when you grok that |
| 05:13.49 | Guerin | s/use/us/ |
| 05:13.50 | drp | what's an app equivalent to tracert for linux |
| 05:13.59 | Guerin | drp: tracer<tab> |
| 05:14.25 | cddesjar | drp: http://www.google.ca/search?q=tracert+linux&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 05:14.38 | drp | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:15.13 | rbrtoclto | man is not function with sig 11 |
| 05:15.33 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: that's what you get for using gentoo without clue |
| 05:16.07 | rbrtoclto | not gentoo is installed, yggdrasil is install |
| 05:16.15 | Guerin | woah |
| 05:16.31 | Guerin | rbrtoclto: greetings, ancient one. Welcome to our humble century. |
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| 05:16.54 | cddesjar | what's yggdrasil? |
| 05:16.56 | rbrtoclto | i have plug and play for the capability is why installed |
| 05:17.12 | Vicious | how do I locate from which package a binary came from? |
| 05:17.14 | Guerin | cddesjar: you seemed so find of google a moment ago |
| 05:17.19 | Guerin | Vicious: dpkg -S |
| 05:17.28 | jbroome | Haha |
| 05:17.32 | levander | Anybody know what kernel module lm-sensors uses to read the cpu temperature? |
| 05:17.52 | Vicious | thx |
| 05:18.02 | cddesjar | that's true |
| 05:18.15 | ShockSMX | can i use cygwin to shell into my debian box and start a gnome session on cygwin? |
| 05:18.16 | Guerin | s/find/fond/ |
| 05:18.22 | litage | Arafangion: how do you measure how many watts or amps a server's using though? what sort of equipment do you need? |
| 05:18.24 | cddesjar | the terrible one's horse? |
| 05:18.27 | Guerin | i should change to dvorak just to force myself to type properly |
| 05:18.39 | ShockSMX | i have xfree86 on cygwin, i think, but i don't have gnome here |
| 05:19.08 | Guerin | ShockSMX: you have our permission |
| 05:19.08 | rbrtoclto | i like dan brown novel |
| 05:19.55 | cddesjar | yggdrasil gives some interesting google hits |
| 05:20.06 | levander | levander: I gotta know so that I can tell this guy I'm talking to on the phone. I'd look around on the computer, but that computer's in pieces on the other table. |
| 05:20.06 | Arafangion | litage: I'm not sure what the correct names, the layman's terms are "ammeter". |
| 05:20.12 | Arafangion | ampmeter? |
| 05:20.21 | Guerin | ammeter is correct |
| 05:21.51 | ShockSMX | Guerin: thanks |
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| 05:22.12 | ShockSMX | Guerin: can you tell me why it won't work? |
| 05:22.24 | Guerin | ShockSMX: it will work, if you do it right. |
| 05:22.39 | ShockSMX | ok |
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| 05:23.23 | litage | Arafangion: i have an ammeter/multimeter, but how do you actually use it to measure the current of a computer? do you just pull the plug out of the wall far enough to touch the ammeter's pins to the comp's power cable? |
| 05:23.44 | litage | s/cable/cable connectors/ |
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| 05:23.57 | mattt | hi, I'm running debian (sarge/stable) as a vmware host and time keeps jumping about. research suggests it thinks hwclock is gmt, but I am gmt+10, how can I make this system think the hardware clock is gmt+10 ?? |
| 05:24.03 | rbrtoclto | does irc work like a vi for you? |
| 05:24.07 | rbrtoclto | :q |
| 05:24.09 | rbrtoclto | nope |
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| 05:24.32 | Arafangion | litage: ammeters have particular tolerances. |
| 05:24.39 | Guerin | mattt: /msg dpke set the time |
| 05:24.47 | Arafangion | litage: You need one that can handle household current. |
| 05:24.53 | litage | mattt: run ``base-config'' and it'll ask you if your hw clock is set to gmt |
| 05:25.03 | litage | Arafangion: yup, i've got that covered |
| 05:25.10 | mattt | litage: thanks |
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| 05:25.22 | litage | np mattt |
| 05:25.28 | rbrtoclto | /msg litage yes |
| 05:25.53 | cddesjar | damn volume control won't stay unlocked |
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| 05:26.10 | litage | thanks rbrtoclto |
| 05:26.41 | simy | I've got a stupid question, where is a good info on modules, and which module name that i need to load, its the dell options i need to turn my fan on, otherwise my laptop overheats, ive built a kernel and it made it go on, but i reinstalled because it clutterd my HD and the kernel wasnt that great(couldnt use USB, etc) and i didnt feel like redoing it when i dont actually have to |
| 05:27.18 | bsdboy | http://devil.mphknet.ca/~peter/gnoc/S5300008.JPG |
| 05:27.20 | bsdboy | XD |
| 05:27.43 | Arafangion | Are 'winmail.dat' attachments common? |
| 05:27.51 | rbrtoclto | tnef |
| 05:28.02 | Guerin | Arafangion: yeah, from some sms-to-email gateways, in my experience |
| 05:28.16 | Guerin | damn their eyes |
| 05:28.23 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 05:28.32 | litage | Arafangion: MS MUAs wrap attachments in the MS TNEF format. when a non-microsoft-capable MUA sees one of these TNEFs, it sees it as winmail.dat |
| 05:28.38 | Arafangion | Well, when the users start complaining, I'll look at tnefclean. |
| 05:28.46 | twinsen | I'm trying to format a text file so that three lines are deleted after every instance of a fully capitalized word (i.e. CAPITALIZED). it seems like it would be so simple... I've read through the man pages of tr, sed, awk, and grep, but I'm still having trouble figuring it out |
| 05:29.28 | Arafangion | twinsen: I'd just use your favorite scripting language. |
| 05:30.09 | Arafangion | litage: I understand that bit. |
| 05:30.11 | Guerin | aww, shucks |
| 05:30.24 | Arafangion | litage: I do wonder why the heck they didn't just do it in plain rtf. |
| 05:30.37 | twinsen | Arafangion... I can't figure it out with *any* scripting language... think you could give me a line of code to lead me in the right direction? |
| 05:30.38 | rbrtoclto | byeee |
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| 05:31.31 | servus | awk:: 'BEGIN{kill=0;} //{if(tolower($0)==$0){kill+=3;}else{if(kill>0)kill--;else print $0;}}' |
| 05:31.44 | Arafangion | twinsen: for line in file, if line contains capital_word skip next three lines, otherwise echo line onto stdout. |
| 05:31.47 | moomasta | anyone know of an AIM client that can handle multiple file transfers? |
| 05:31.53 | Arafangion | Damn awk nerds! :) |
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| 05:32.03 | servus | Dunno if that works... |
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| 05:32.22 | Arafangion | servus: No, yours doesn't work properly. |
| 05:32.31 | Arafangion | servus: The entire word must be capitalized. |
| 05:32.38 | Arafangion | servus: Not just hte first letter of a sentence. |
| 05:32.47 | toresbe | oKtosiTe_: I was laughing at yggdrasil. |
| 05:33.07 | oKtosiTe_ | toresbe: ;-D |
| 05:33.09 | litage | Arafangion: cuz that wouldn't be The Microsoft Way(tm) |
| 05:33.11 | servus | $0 is the entire line. |
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| 05:33.32 | litage | Arafangion: however, i believe TNEFs aren't just for text; they're for any attachment |
| 05:33.39 | servus | Just one second lemme get a real one OK :P |
| 05:33.41 | Arafangion | servus: Yes, but the tolower will never equal the original line if *any* character is upper-case. We need the whole word to be. |
| 05:34.11 | Arafangion | litage: I wonder why they don't just... Umm, mine-encode it. |
| 05:34.24 | Arafangion | litage: So that even Outlook Express could understand it. |
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| 05:35.57 | Guerin | Arafangion: because that would be SANE |
| 05:36.00 | mhall | How do I get OpenOffice.org 2 to display Writer pages in 2-up / 2 page display mode like in Word? I need to write some code listings with side-by-side annotation and this is fucking going to kill me. |
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| 05:36.03 | Arafangion | Guerin: True. |
| 05:36.14 | servus | Arafangion: Yeah it was supposed to be == not != |
| 05:36.16 | Arafangion | Guerin: I suspect that it's already mime-encoded. |
| 05:36.17 | eeyore- | Arafangion: easily fixed |
| 05:36.30 | eeyore- | Arafangion: /^[A-Z]+/..... |
| 05:36.36 | Arafangion | servus: Regardless, yours still treats distinct characters as significant. |
| 05:36.42 | MasterObiWanK | helllo anyknow how can I enable a integraded video cam on linux ? |
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| 05:36.51 | Arafangion | eeyore-: Doesn't match an entire word. |
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| 05:37.03 | litage | Arafangion: i used to try to figure out what went through the minds at MS...but when i switched to linux, i stopped thinking about it =P |
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| 05:37.16 | eeyore- | Arafangion: okay, picky, /^[A-Z]+ / |
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| 05:37.36 | Arafangion | eeyore-: What about the last word of a sentence, or one just prior to a punctuation symbol? :) |
| 05:37.38 | servus | awk 'BEGIN{kill=0;} //{if(toupper($0)==$0){kill=3;} if(kill>0)kill--;else print $0;}' |
| 05:37.40 | mhall | servus: BTW awk variables need not be initialized to 0 |
| 05:37.40 | servus | There ya go. |
| 05:37.45 | mhall | servus: AWK does that itself |
| 05:37.49 | servus | Oh whatever. |
| 05:37.50 | saik0 | What would be causing hotplug to crash (system locks) when a AGP card is plugged in and not when I use the onboard video |
| 05:37.51 | servus | :P |
| 05:37.55 | eeyore- | Arafangion: the questioner didn't state the details. he could easily figure that part out himself |
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| 05:38.15 | eeyore- | Arafangion: i just picked /^ to keep it simple |
| 05:38.20 | servus | That will take foo\nBAR\nfoo1\nfoo2\nfoo3\nfoo4 and return foo\nfoo4 |
| 05:38.55 | mhall | servus: let me try this and see what i get |
| 05:39.30 | lordnazgu | ok minor annoyance. i just got a wireless car in my laptop a few days ago, and i was able to get it configured and connecting to my secured network and everything. however when i boot it runs wpa_supplicant, but not dhclient. is there any way to make my computer run dhclient immediately after wpa_supplicant on boot? |
| 05:39.36 | servus | echo -e "foo\nBAR\nfoo1\nfoo2\nfoo3\nfoo4" | awk 'BEGIN{kill=0;} //{if(toupper($0)==$0){kill=3;} if(kill>0)kill--;else print $0;}' | tr '\n' '_': foo_foo3_foo4_ |
| 05:39.38 | eeyore- | saik0: you're not supposed to plug cards in while the system is powered on |
| 05:39.49 | Arafangion | Cya |
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| 05:40.05 | saik0 | eeyore-, I'm not |
| 05:40.06 | brc_ | anybody remember what route has been deprecated in favor of? |
| 05:40.14 | brc_ | I can't seem to remember/find the name of the new thing |
| 05:40.19 | doubleukay | iproute2? |
| 05:40.28 | doubleukay | gahh.. what package should i install for glibc reference? |
| 05:40.30 | brc_ | doesn't sound right |
| 05:40.32 | dondelelcaro | brc_: iproute |
| 05:40.36 | dondelelcaro | brc_: and/or ip |
| 05:40.45 | doubleukay | i could've sworn it came with build-essentials |
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| 05:41.19 | dondelelcaro | doubleukay: you mean glibc-doc? |
| 05:41.20 | Jamsi | So .. if I want to delete over 20,000 files - how would I go about it in Linux? |
| 05:41.20 | gravity | doubleukay: No, build-essentials is only the software. It's mainly to help with autobuilding debian packages in chroots on buildds and such |
| 05:41.30 | gravity | Jamsi: rm? |
| 05:41.44 | lordnazgu | jamsi rm -r works, but be careful |
| 05:41.47 | brc_ | ah, ip |
| 05:41.51 | Jamsi | -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too lon |
| 05:41.52 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: find ... -print0|xargs -0 rm -f... |
| 05:41.54 | doubleukay | my objective: be able to man <libc function>, e.g. man fread |
| 05:41.54 | brc_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:42.03 | eeyore- | Jamsi: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0r rm |
| 05:42.14 | Jamsi | whats the print0 do? |
| 05:42.17 | doubleukay | checked packages.d.o but i can't find which package contains that tohugh |
| 05:42.17 | servus | find -type f -exec rm {} \; ? |
| 05:42.20 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: man find... |
| 05:42.27 | mhall | servus: try this |
| 05:42.28 | eeyore- | servus: waaaaaay too many exec() calls |
| 05:42.31 | mhall | servus: gawk '/^[A-Z]+/ { getline null; getline null; getline null; } { print $0; }' |
| 05:42.32 | dondelelcaro | servus: better to use xargs... |
| 05:42.43 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: seriously; man find. It's well documented. |
| 05:42.48 | eeyore- | servus: that'll run "rm" for *each* file versus as many times as necessary for xargs |
| 05:42.58 | Jamsi | The find has worked before I think |
| 05:43.01 | brc_ | know what package ip is in? don't seem to have it |
| 05:43.10 | doubleukay | brc_, iproute2 |
| 05:43.12 | dondelelcaro | brc_: iproute. |
| 05:43.19 | brc_ | thanks |
| 05:43.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell brc_ -about search |
| 05:43.34 | Jamsi | ta eeyore-. |
| 05:43.37 | servus | mhall: Not bad. { if( toupper($0) == $0 ) { k=3; } if( k ) k--; else print $0; } isn't too inelegant either, though. |
| 05:44.04 | mhall | servus: yeah i'm just showing you the way that's more canonically awk |
| 05:44.09 | eeyore- | servus: that's a bit procedural ;-) |
| 05:44.14 | mhall | servus: you're doing what i did when i first learned awk |
| 05:44.19 | mhall | servus: writing it like C or C++ |
| 05:44.24 | dondelelcaro | yick |
| 05:44.28 | mhall | servus: but for what it does awk is awesomely high level |
| 05:44.30 | eeyore- | mhall: heck, everything i touch looks like C :-) |
| 05:44.36 | mhall | servus: so there's much easier things to do |
| 05:44.38 | eeyore- | mhall: even my TCL looks like C |
| 05:44.39 | gravity | I <3 awk |
| 05:44.48 | mhall | eeyore-: yes i used to suffer with this also |
| 05:44.49 | servus | I don't agree that my way is 'wrong'. |
| 05:45.00 | mhall | servus: never said it was! |
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| 05:45.10 | servus | :P |
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| 05:45.10 | mhall | servus: only that it was not canonical awk |
| 05:45.16 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i never reach for perl ... primarily because i never learned it :-> |
| 05:45.17 | mhall | !dict canonical |
| 05:45.22 | dpkg | Dictionary 'canonical' (1 of 10): 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <15873525.15302.1133243119@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "canonical" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" canonical. |
| 05:45.24 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: a common failing... |
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| 05:45.39 | jsz | hey, how do I install xorg in sarge? |
| 05:45.40 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i never learned emacs either ... so that figures |
| 05:45.41 | dondelelcaro | yeaay, dict has broken again. |
| 05:45.42 | servus | I don't feel that I was bastardizing awk |
| 05:45.45 | joshs | does etch no longer have "lspci" .. how do I get this added? |
| 05:45.46 | jsz | do I have to add an apt source for it? |
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| 05:45.52 | mhall | servus: nor did i say that either |
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| 05:46.00 | dondelelcaro | joshs: it does; it's in pciutils. |
| 05:46.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell joshs -about search |
| 05:46.21 | mhall | servus: but if you try both of these on a huge file i bet mine's a couple times quicker |
| 05:46.30 | bleaked | jsz: xserver-xorg is the package. |
| 05:46.35 | dondelelcaro | jsz: you'll need a backport to sarge. In most cases, it's not worth bothering. |
| 05:46.38 | jsz | doesn't exist |
| 05:46.39 | servus | Shall I sed it? |
| 05:46.45 | jsz | yes it is |
| 05:46.49 | jsz | Xfree86 is fucked |
| 05:46.53 | jsz | I need Xorg |
| 05:46.53 | mhall | servus: awk is probably the superior tool for this job |
| 05:46.54 | joshs | dond: LOL.. I tried search... it came back w/ no results... thanks |
| 05:46.59 | mhall | servus: easier to read than sed |
| 05:47.01 | dondelelcaro | joshs: here's a hint: |
| 05:47.03 | gravity | jsz: How is XFree86 fucked? |
| 05:47.07 | jsz | last time I just done apt-get dist-upgrade and it installed Xorg |
| 05:47.08 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/lspci |
| 05:47.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:47.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lspci' (1): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 05:47.20 | jsz | I don't want to sit here explaining myself |
| 05:47.24 | jsz | I just want Xorg |
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| 05:47.27 | jsz | I have my reasons |
| 05:47.28 | mhall | dondelelcaro: pciutils |
| 05:47.29 | foo | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 05:47.30 | dondelelcaro | jsz: so install a backport. |
| 05:47.31 | gravity | mmmmkay |
| 05:47.34 | jsz | runs faster |
| 05:47.35 | foo | Any idea on that problem? |
| 05:47.36 | foo | I get that when doing an apt-get update |
| 05:47.43 | jsz | dondelelcaro: tell me how |
| 05:47.43 | mhall | foo: yeah ok one sec |
| 05:47.48 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 05:47.49 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:47.50 | dondelelcaro | foo ^^ |
| 05:47.54 | foo | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 05:48.06 | Guerin | xorg runs faster |
| 05:48.07 | Guerin | riiight |
| 05:48.09 | dondelelcaro | (assuming that 1F41B907 is actually reasonable) |
| 05:48.13 | bleaked | jsz.. calm down. you'll never get help with that demanding attitude. |
| 05:48.21 | foo | dondelelcaro: Thanks, what causes something like this? |
| 05:48.23 | dondelelcaro | jsz: go to backports.org or apt-get.org and add an appropriate sources.list |
| 05:48.23 | jsz | pfft |
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| 05:48.29 | eeyore- | we're here to serve our customers |
| 05:48.31 | jsz | then don't put shit on me |
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| 05:48.42 | joshs | dondelelcaro: got ya.. any Idea why pciutils wasn't auto-installed w/ the initial install? |
| 05:48.43 | eeyore- | please, what may i do for you dear patrons? |
| 05:48.47 | M_Cheevy | evening ppl (nz time) |
| 05:48.50 | Guerin | i've noticed a trend with iinet customers |
| 05:49.04 | dondelelcaro | joshs: it usually is, but if you selected a minimal install, it may not be installed. |
| 05:49.05 | mhall | foo: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/faq.html |
| 05:49.11 | dondelelcaro | joshs: it's only optional though. |
| 05:49.21 | mhall | foo: in the faq it explains how to get the marillat key into apt's key list |
| 05:49.22 | eeyore- | Guerin: what's that? |
| 05:49.23 | foo | mhall: Thanks |
| 05:49.28 | servus | mhall: sed -n -e '/^[A-Z]\+/b t;p;d;:t N;N;N;' |
| 05:49.29 | M_Cheevy | having fun getting debian sarge set up on a sata fakeraid (sii) |
| 05:49.30 | mhall | foo: once you do that you're good |
| 05:49.31 | servus | Thy socks have been rocked. |
| 05:49.36 | mhall | servus: :-) |
| 05:49.46 | Guerin | eeyore-: they tend to turn out fucktarded more often than other australian ISPs. |
| 05:49.47 | mhall | servus: but you did use my regex :-D |
| 05:49.47 | eeyore- | servus: that sounds like what Elmer Fudd would say |
| 05:49.52 | servus | Actually I just rewrote your awk version in sed |
| 05:49.57 | joshs | dondelelcaro, cool... thanks again. |
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| 05:50.14 | foo | I used to have k3b but I did apt-get install konqueror and it removed k3b.. now I can't reinstall it. I get this: E: Package k3b has no installation candidate .. any ideas? I have marillat, contrib and non-free. hmm |
| 05:50.18 | mhall | servus: hehe it'd be fun to write an awk awk to sed converter |
| 05:50.20 | Guerin | eeyore-: things like this run in cycles. for a while it was rima-tde.net; then some isp from israel, then maxonline.com.sg |
| 05:50.23 | dondelelcaro | joshs: np; just don't forget: in the future, use packages.debian.org or the bot... |
| 05:50.25 | mhall | servus: or a sed awk to sed converter |
| 05:50.34 | servus | I cringe at the possibility. |
| 05:50.48 | eeyore- | Guerin: maybe something to do with how they recruit customers? |
| 05:50.53 | mhall | Guerin: so iinet might be... the aussie AOL |
| 05:50.57 | mhall | Guerin: *gasp* |
| 05:51.00 | Guerin | eeyore-: yeah, I suppose so. |
| 05:51.05 | Jamsi | No its not |
| 05:51.08 | eeyore- | servus: i dare you to come up with sed script to play game of life :-) |
| 05:51.09 | Jamsi | We dont have an AOL |
| 05:51.10 | cddesjar | foo: what are you running? |
| 05:51.16 | servus | Who said I LIKE sed? |
| 05:51.19 | M_Cheevy | anyone have any luck getting sarge installed on a SATA (fake)raid? I'm using a gentoo live cd that has allowed me to partition format and debootstrap my sata raid partition using dmraid.. now trying to install a kernel for it. any recommendations for mods versus built in with udev, devfs, and dmraid? |
| 05:51.21 | joshs | dondelel: I did use packages... but I just now realized what I did wrong... I had it search pakcage names only instead of descriptions. |
| 05:51.26 | foo | cddesjar: sarge.. which was testing, but now stable ... but sources still say testing |
| 05:51.27 | dondelelcaro | joshs: cool. |
| 05:51.29 | mhall | servus: i wonder if the awk or sed version is quicker |
| 05:51.37 | mhall | servus: i predict sed because it's simpler |
| 05:51.39 | cddesjar | foo: try apt-get update then search for it again |
| 05:51.50 | mhall | servus: but then again the awk code is better maintained and may be more optimized |
| 05:51.57 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: if you know what you're doing, you may want to just build your own kernel. If not... well, good luck. |
| 05:52.03 | foo | cddesjar: Tried, several times. Very weird. |
| 05:52.06 | servus | I might be able to get rid of the branch in the sed version |
| 05:52.32 | M_Cheevy | dondelecaro: I've been playing with linux since kernel version 0.0.99... making a kernel isn't the hard part, it's the initramfs stuff |
| 05:52.33 | mhall | M_Cheevy: this RAID, is it software or BIOS |
| 05:52.33 | cddesjar | foo: hmm...what does apt-get -f install do? |
| 05:52.46 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: if you're building your own kernel, you don't need a initrd |
| 05:52.49 | foo | cddesjar: Same error. Thanks |
| 05:52.57 | servus | Blocking isn't seeming to work |
| 05:53.01 | Jamsi | dondelelcaro can u build me a kernel |
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| 05:53.14 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: dmraid works in user space... I can't boot from the raid if I haven't run it |
| 05:53.16 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: prebuilt ones are already on packages.debian.org |
| 05:53.16 | mhall | !tell Jamsi about u |
| 05:53.20 | cddesjar | foo: you could use gnomeburner or xcdroast? |
| 05:53.20 | mhall | !tell Jamsi about ask |
| 05:53.29 | mhall | !tell Jamsi about sicco |
| 05:53.32 | mhall | !tell Jamsi about google |
| 05:53.37 | Jamsi | lolz |
| 05:53.41 | dondelelcaro | mhall: lay off the bot abuse, please. |
| 05:53.47 | M_Cheevy | little bot lart? |
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| 05:53.54 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: hahaha. Why not just use your sata card as a sata card and use linux software raid? |
| 05:53.56 | Jamsi | Easy to get fired up around here eh. |
| 05:54.02 | foo | cddesjar: Really would like to get k3b to work. Not too sure what the deal is. I had it working before. hmm |
| 05:54.15 | fevel | how do I go to console mode to install nvidia drivers?? |
| 05:54.29 | gravity | fevel: ctrl-alt-fanythingbut7 |
| 05:54.29 | mhall | fevel: ok Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 05:54.34 | mhall | fevel: through F6 |
| 05:54.45 | cddesjar | foo: do you have main? |
| 05:54.45 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: oh, something about being able to also boot into winxp (for games), win2k server (for programming), and win2k3 (for research) |
| 05:54.45 | fevel | but x would still be working |
| 05:54.48 | servus | Sed won't let me put commands after a block, for some reason. Oh well. |
| 05:54.56 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: none of those matter. Next! ;-) |
| 05:55.03 | mhall | servus: hehe |
| 05:55.05 | fevel | let me try |
| 05:55.07 | gravity | fevel: invoke-rc.d yourdm stop |
| 05:55.08 | Blurra | must ask... I gone make a new installation of debian.. should I run X.org or the old XFree86 ? |
| 05:55.13 | gravity | Ferret: Followed by ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:55.16 | mhall | servus: i never actually wrote more than an s//g in sed |
| 05:55.27 | servus | sed -n -e '/^[A-Z]\+/{N;N;N;d;}p;' should do it, I would think. |
| 05:55.31 | gravity | Blurra: Unless you have a real reason to do otherwise, run the one that comes with it |
| 05:55.34 | mhall | Blurra: the choice depends on the version you have in mind |
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| 05:55.43 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: when I'm being paid 70k+ to maintain servers and develop for the web, I kinda need 'em as my client ain't linux friendly |
| 05:55.43 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: the alternative is to make an initrd and build dmraid statically, slap it onto a custom initrd, boot, run dmraid with whatever options it needs in your linuxrc, and then mount the root filesystem as appropriate. |
| 05:55.45 | mhall | servus: there is a certain minimalist beauty in that |
| 05:55.48 | servus | Ah, there we go : sed -e '/^[A-Z]\+/{N;N;N;d;}' |
| 05:55.52 | mhall | servus: not even perl can match it |
| 05:55.54 | fevel | it says x is still running and cant install |
| 05:55.56 | cddesjar | foo: what does apt-cache search k3b show? |
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| 05:56.10 | fevel | I need to kill x |
| 05:56.19 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: I think you need a raise. |
| 05:56.25 | asuffield | mhall: obviously you have never played perl golf |
| 05:56.26 | Blurra | I going for sarge... I allways run Xfree86 before.. and it stable... |
| 05:56.33 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: that's the plan, in building the kernel though, do I want to build in support for devmapper or do I leave that as a module? |
| 05:56.34 | fevel | can somebody please help me kill x |
| 05:56.39 | mhall | M_Cheevy: perhaps you can modify your plan here |
| 05:56.46 | gravity | fevel: Use invoke-rc.d for your login manager to stop it. Then do ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:56.50 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: shouldn't matter. I'd just build it in. |
| 05:56.56 | M_Cheevy | I'm all ears mhall |
| 05:56.58 | mhall | M_Cheevy: consider installing 2K and 2K3 into vmware |
| 05:57.07 | bucky | fevel /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 05:57.07 | fevel | invoke-rc.d |
| 05:57.09 | mhall | M_Cheevy: and then you'll only need Debian and XP |
| 05:57.27 | M_Cheevy | mhall: matter of priorities... spend more time (and earn more money) in the microslop world |
| 05:57.30 | bucky | fevel: if you're running xdm |
| 05:57.32 | mhall | M_Cheevy: plus you'll be able to use more of your system simultaneously |
| 05:57.47 | mhall | M_Cheevy: and you won't have to slice up your disks as much partition-wise |
| 05:58.01 | mhall | M_Cheevy: no i understand the microsoft dilemma full well and i'm not criticizing you there |
| 05:58.06 | M_Cheevy | prefer smaller partitions, quicker to check, optimise, etc. |
| 05:58.29 | M_Cheevy | besides, less goes south if the partition table bites it |
| 05:58.31 | mhall | M_Cheevy: yeah about that, NTFS and the modern Linux FSes don't do checks and optimizations much |
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| 05:58.46 | M_Cheevy | mhall: ext3 checks every 35 reboots |
| 05:58.57 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: depends on your tune2fs settings |
| 05:58.59 | mhall | M_Cheevy: yeah that's why you use XFS or JFS |
| 05:59.14 | dondelelcaro | you can just as easily tune2fs -c -1 -i 0 if you want. |
| 05:59.18 | M_Cheevy | true don, but 35 is the count by default |
| 05:59.24 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: it's actually randomized. |
| 05:59.40 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what is the idea in the randomization |
| 05:59.44 | M_Cheevy | done this damn debootstrap step so many times not sure if I ext3 or jfs'd it |
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| 05:59.54 | dondelelcaro | mhall: so that all of the disks don't get checked on the same boot |
| 06:00.06 | mhall | M_Cheevy: heh better think about using XFS or JFS |
| 06:00.16 | mhall | M_Cheevy: especially if it's a big volume |
| 06:00.26 | mhall | M_Cheevy: otherwise could be somewhat unpleasant |
| 06:00.30 | M_Cheevy | nah, only 10gb for linux with a 1gb swap |
| 06:00.47 | mhall | M_Cheevy: in that case just use $FS |
| 06:00.59 | M_Cheevy | mhall: jfs? |
| 06:01.16 | mhall | M_Cheevy: $FS is whatever you set FS to be in your environment ;-) |
| 06:01.29 | mhall | M_Cheevy: sort of like, "oh for the love of $deity!" |
| 06:01.33 | M_Cheevy | gotcha |
| 06:01.47 | M_Cheevy | prolly stick with ext3 or jfs |
| 06:02.01 | mhall | yeah either of those is fine on a 10G volume |
| 06:02.30 | M_Cheevy | speaking of, should check on the aptitude d/l of the kernel source.. $2 says it fails because the required libs can't load without a kernel to determine elf binaries |
| 06:03.02 | mhall | hmm i'd have to see the error |
| 06:03.06 | mhall | that just sounds bizarre |
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| 06:03.35 | M_Cheevy | far freakin' out... no error |
| 06:03.53 | A3K | need help mounting a USB flashdrive |
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| 06:04.21 | M_Cheevy | remember my system is a tad hobbled together and running on a chroot'd partition mounted from an gentoo live cd |
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| 06:04.52 | M_Cheevy | well off to see what happens when I try and configure the kernel |
| 06:04.56 | M_Cheevy | ciao folks |
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| 06:05.47 | quitte | hi. can a isdn card be used to allow dialin with a analog modem? |
| 06:05.52 | A3K | the light is on, which I thought meant it was mounted but I cannot find it in a file manager |
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| 06:06.50 | Blurra | quitte I don't think so... |
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| 06:09.20 | falkon_ | mhall: you around? |
| 06:09.22 | A3K | any ideas? |
| 06:09.38 | mhall | falkon_: you bet |
| 06:09.42 | mhall | falkon_: what's up |
| 06:10.08 | falkon_ | mhall: I'm scared :P I did make-kpkg binary on this brand new linux kernel and it went without a hitch |
| 06:10.17 | mhall | falkon_: 1337 |
| 06:10.27 | falkon_ | mhall: did that build my modules, though? |
| 06:10.30 | mhall | falkon_: burn knoppix |
| 06:10.45 | falkon_ | mhall: specifically in /usr/src/modules/ |
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| 06:11.06 | mhall | falkon_: lemme look for a sec |
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| 06:12.25 | mhall | falkon_: alright, please retry with kernel_image target |
| 06:12.31 | mhall | falkon_: from what i deciphered in make-kpkg manual |
| 06:12.39 | mhall | falkon_: binary only builds a core kernel without modules |
| 06:12.51 | nekostar | ya know |
| 06:12.53 | quitte | Blurra: but the fritz cards can be used for fax. |
| 06:12.53 | nekostar | one thing that sux |
| 06:13.03 | quitte | how is fax different from a modem? |
| 06:13.13 | nekostar | is when you try to reconfigure all your network shit b/c your offline and of COURSE thats to blame |
| 06:13.17 | nekostar | and the friggan modem is off |
| 06:13.17 | falkon_ | mhall: thanks |
| 06:13.18 | nekostar | >_< |
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| 06:13.50 | streuner | quitte: modems are well supported in linux? |
| 06:13.58 | falkon_ | mhall: the files in /usr/src/modules/ are the ones that have been there. Is that a problem, or do I need to find new modules? |
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| 06:14.06 | nekostar | cable modem |
| 06:14.12 | nekostar | so it was totally dumb |
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| 06:14.27 | mhall | falkon_: well after you do kernel_image target with make-kpkg, then you dpkg -i the kernel |
| 06:14.32 | nekostar | :O! perhaps a poweron is in order lol |
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| 06:14.38 | mhall | falkon_: and dpkg -i of the kernel causes modules to appear |
| 06:14.52 | mhall | falkon_: if this makes sense |
| 06:15.01 | falkon_ | mhall: hmm I already did dpkg -i kernel, should I just remove? |
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| 06:15.18 | quitte | streuner: faxing with capi works perfectly well,too. so im wondering why it wouldnt be possible to use a fritz card as analog modem |
| 06:15.25 | baadf00d | hi guys, stupid question: how do I ask the computer what linux distribution it is? |
| 06:15.56 | mhall | falkon_: well you have got to dpkg -i the new kernel package built with the kernel_image target instead of the one built with just binary |
| 06:16.27 | mhall | baadf00d: hmm that is a bit tricky, perhaps cat /etc/issue |
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| 06:16.39 | falkon_ | mhall: okay, so what is the full command I need to run? 'fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image target' ? |
| 06:16.40 | streuner | baadf00d: run 'cat /proc/version' and ask here again |
| 06:16.53 | mhall | falkon_: try fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 06:17.03 | mhall | falkon_: then dpkg -i that kernel over the old one |
| 06:17.15 | mhall | falkon_: since it'll have the same deb package name, it will overwrite its old self |
| 06:17.36 | baadf00d | $ cat /proc/version |
| 06:17.36 | baadf00d | Linux version 2.6.12.4 (root@dylan) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Oct 11 01:34:49 PDT 2005 |
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| 06:17.47 | falkon_ | mhall: i just thought it was make-kpkg then install it. you people make things seem harder haha |
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| 06:18.06 | falkon_ | mhall: it's going through a long list of INSTALL right now |
| 06:18.08 | streuner | baadf00d: custom kernel, compiled on a debian system |
| 06:18.18 | mhall | falkon_: sorry for complicating |
| 06:18.34 | mhall | baadf00d: but it's possible somebody used the kernel on a non debian system |
| 06:18.35 | falkon_ | mhall: nah, I joke. It's better to learn about the system than be a borg |
| 06:18.42 | mhall | baadf00d: though not especially likely |
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| 06:18.59 | JL | rely |
| 06:18.59 | mhall | falkon_: yes but at the same time it's important to make the explanations of the system clear |
| 06:19.12 | baadf00d | mhall: thanks a lot, that's all I needed |
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| 06:19.21 | JL | ok |
| 06:19.23 | mhall | falkon_: my explanations are not especially great because i have to build external kernel modules not supported by make-kpkg |
| 06:19.35 | falkon_ | mhall: I'm still not clear on whether my nvidia & exaudio will be functioning. I guees I just have to reboot and see |
| 06:19.37 | baadf00d | streuner: thanks |
| 06:19.40 | baadf00d | (streuner) |
| 06:19.44 | mhall | falkon_: about that |
| 06:19.48 | streuner | :-) |
| 06:19.56 | mhall | falkon_: please compile these modules AFTER reboot |
| 06:20.03 | falkon_ | mhall: of course |
| 06:20.10 | falkon_ | ding |
| 06:20.21 | mhall | falkon_: because the nvidia and possibly exaudio (unsure) will expect that the running kernel is the one you want to build modules for |
| 06:20.22 | JL | what |
| 06:20.40 | mhall | falkon_: this i can safely say because of the fact i have custom kernel and GF4 Ti4400 |
| 06:20.41 | falkon_ | right |
| 06:20.46 | mhall | falkon_: with nv 7676 |
| 06:20.56 | JL | for my responsibility |
| 06:21.06 | falkon_ | mhall: I know how to point them at the right source tree, but it sure does make things easier |
| 06:21.14 | mhall | JL: dude what are you trying to say |
| 06:21.25 | falkon_ | mhall: now how about where to get kernel-headers? |
| 06:21.27 | mhall | falkon_: loop aes does it automatically and does not allow repointing |
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| 06:21.44 | mhall | falkon_: well once you have got a kernel tree you don't especially need headers |
| 06:21.52 | mhall | falkon_: they are in the kernel tree already |
| 06:21.59 | falkon_ | did I get the tree? |
| 06:22.08 | mhall | falkon_: just symlink /usr/src/linux onto your kernel source tree |
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| 06:22.18 | mhall | falkon_: yeah you've got to have the tree to run make-kpkg |
| 06:22.25 | falkon_ | mhall: exact command? |
| 06:22.39 | falkon_ | mhall: ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-2.6.14.3/? |
| 06:22.49 | mhall | falkon_: almost |
| 06:22.53 | falkon_ | other way around? |
| 06:22.57 | mhall | falkon_: reverse the dir's order |
| 06:23.00 | mhall | falkon_: correct |
| 06:23.02 | falkon_ | werd |
| 06:23.23 | falkon_ | hmmm |
| 06:23.27 | falkon_ | file exists |
| 06:23.28 | mhall | falkon_: it's sort of the same order cp would want |
| 06:23.29 | falkon_ | remove? |
| 06:23.39 | mhall | falkon_: ok run: file /usr/src/linux |
| 06:23.43 | mhall | falkon_: see what it points at |
| 06:23.54 | mhall | falkon_: it might be pointing to the right place already |
| 06:23.59 | falkon_ | ewww broken symbolic link to old kernel |
| 06:24.10 | mhall | falkon_: rm rm rm |
| 06:24.17 | mhall | falkon_: eww |
| 06:24.20 | mhall | falkon_: yecch |
| 06:24.29 | falkon_ | ding |
| 06:24.31 | JL | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:24.33 | falkon_ | guess it's reboot time? |
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| 06:24.42 | Arafangion | With my mixed system, despite my extremely low priority of sid, why is it still being used? |
| 06:24.45 | JL | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.00 | mhall | falkon_: fix the link, install kernel |
| 06:25.10 | mhall | falkon_: check the boot loader config file |
| 06:25.11 | falkon_ | kernel is installed |
| 06:25.17 | mhall | falkon_: rerun lilo if needed |
| 06:25.19 | JL | hi welcome |
| 06:25.20 | falkon_ | boot loader was updated |
| 06:25.25 | mhall | falkon_: look in /lib/modules |
| 06:25.25 | falkon_ | grub |
| 06:25.45 | mhall | falkon_: make sure menu.lst isn't full of shit |
| 06:26.06 | Tchiak | !nvidia oneliner |
| 06:26.10 | falkon_ | okay /lib/modules/2.6.14.3ViktorKernel/ shows... stff |
| 06:26.11 | falkon_ | stuff |
| 06:26.12 | mhall | Arafangion: hmm perhaps something you want wants sid |
| 06:26.22 | mhall | falkon_: any .ko's somewhere in it |
| 06:26.33 | Arafangion | mhall: It was apt-listbugs |
| 06:26.56 | falkon_ | mhall: yes under kernel |
| 06:27.00 | Arafangion | mhall: And sarge and testing both had a much higher priority. |
| 06:27.09 | mhall | Arafangion: omg. wtf. bbq!!!!!11111!!!!111one!!!eleventyone!!11!1 |
| 06:27.22 | Falkon | finally |
| 06:27.28 | mhall | Arafangion: that makes... er, uh, umm, no sense. |
| 06:27.31 | mhall | Falkon: hint |
| 06:27.41 | mhall | Falkon: if you register with nickserv |
| 06:27.44 | Falkon | mhall: i know |
| 06:27.46 | mhall | Falkon: /msg nickserv help |
| 06:27.54 | mhall | Falkon: then you can kick the fake falkons |
| 06:27.57 | JL | finally da mount u |
| 06:28.04 | Falkon | mhall: I never bothered, because I only run around here occasionally |
| 06:28.09 | Arafangion | mhall: Indeed. |
| 06:28.11 | mhall | Falkon: make nickserv sink its talons into them and rip them out of the server ;-) |
| 06:28.47 | mhall | Arafangion: unfortunately i can't advise anything other than to lock to old version with synaptic and see if it goes away |
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| 06:29.04 | mhall | Falkon: so does the modules dir have any .ko files |
| 06:29.18 | Arafangion | mhall: I've just added a negative priority. |
| 06:29.20 | Falkon | mhall: it does under the directories kernel |
| 06:29.43 | Arafangion | mhall: But, paradoxically, results in only *fewer* downloads from sid, doesn't stop it entirely. Wierd. |
| 06:29.57 | mhall | Falkon: yeah as long as it's in there somewhere |
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| 06:30.07 | mhall | Arafangion: maybe one of your priority distros has a broken package |
| 06:30.12 | mhall | Arafangion: and it's held |
| 06:30.16 | Falkon | mhall: other than that I'm looking at modules.dep and whatnot |
| 06:30.19 | Arafangion | mhall: Possible. |
| 06:30.24 | mhall | Arafangion: so the sid one comes up since sid packages get fixed first |
| 06:30.31 | mhall | Arafangion: that's about all i could venture |
| 06:30.38 | mhall | Arafangion: i do have a resource for you though |
| 06:30.39 | Arafangion | mhall: That actually does make sense. |
| 06:30.47 | Arafangion | Yeah? |
| 06:30.51 | mhall | Falkon: yeah if there's .ko's in there then it's fine |
| 06:31.03 | mhall | Falkon: the .ko's are arranged into goofy tree by category |
| 06:31.04 | Falkon | mhall: reboot time? |
| 06:31.09 | mhall | Arafangion: yeah let me get link |
| 06:31.16 | mhall | Falkon: sounds good but do you have a knoppix cd |
| 06:31.30 | mhall | Falkon: or a damn small linux |
| 06:31.36 | mhall | Falkon: or a debian installer disk |
| 06:31.44 | mhall | Falkon: you know just in case |
| 06:31.56 | Falkon | mhall: won't be a problem, I have multiple kernels |
| 06:32.16 | Falkon | mhall: last time one got pooched, I booted into another |
| 06:32.18 | Arafangion | Falkon: I prefer using grub. |
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| 06:32.27 | Falkon | Arafangion: I do too |
| 06:32.31 | delox99 | hi all |
| 06:32.39 | mhall | Arafangion: post here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
| 06:32.46 | Arafangion | Thanks. |
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| 06:32.58 | delox99 | i recompiled my kernel and now i cannot install some modules |
| 06:33.01 | mhall | Arafangion: the irc channel is a bit quiet right now |
| 06:33.10 | Falkon | I've had bad luck with lilo waaaaay back when i put mandrake on a system |
| 06:33.18 | delox99 | the module compiles normally |
| 06:33.18 | mhall | Arafangion: on -user you can get some more experts since they have time to kick back and reply when convenient |
| 06:33.30 | mhall | Arafangion: and you can paste a fuckload of output without pissing off anybody |
| 06:33.32 | Falkon | mhall: see ya in about 15 or so |
| 06:33.51 | Arafangion | mhall: Yup, I use my LUG mailing list from time to time, thanks. |
| 06:33.53 | delox99 | but the install scripts tries to install the modules in /lib/modules/uname-r/misc |
| 06:33.57 | mhall | alright imma got get a pizza |
| 06:34.06 | delox99 | but that misc is a file and not a director |
| 06:34.11 | Arafangion | mhall: Thanks, cya :) |
| 06:34.14 | Arafangion | mhall: Enjoy |
| 06:34.20 | mhall | delox99: hmm try running file misc |
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| 06:34.42 | mhall | delox99: maybe we can see what is in it |
| 06:34.58 | mhall | misc: directory |
| 06:35.05 | mhall | i get that my misc is in fact a dir |
| 06:35.14 | mhall | and i'm running 2.6.14 |
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| 06:35.40 | delox99 | it s on 2.6.10 |
| 06:36.07 | delox99 | i was running 2.4 |
| 06:36.13 | mhall | yeah that's mos def wrong |
| 06:36.15 | delox99 | then compiled a fresh 2.6.10 |
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| 06:36.17 | mhall | misc should be a dir |
| 06:36.27 | delox99 | installed the modules and it worked fine |
| 06:36.47 | delox99 | now i recompiled that 2.6.10 to add some usb modules |
| 06:36.58 | delox99 | and now i have this misc as a file |
| 06:36.59 | dondelelcaro | checking for libcurl... 7.15.0 |
| 06:36.59 | dondelelcaro | checking for curl_global_init in -lcurl... yes |
| 06:37.05 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 06:37.26 | Diggity | anyone anyone recommend video editing software for Debian? |
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| 06:37.32 | CSMan | hello |
| 06:37.37 | CSMan | uhmm, i tried to build a usb network driver, but when i load the module, it only registers with usbcode, it won't intialize the interface |
| 06:37.46 | delox99 | file misc gives: |
| 06:37.48 | delox99 | misc: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
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| 06:38.38 | falkon | mhall: err you there? |
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| 06:40.17 | falkon | mhall: can we say kernel panic? VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 06:41.15 | mattt | still have time problems, I use `ntpdate mysource`, and then `hwclock --systohc`, later on my hwc is back at gmt. I'm gmt+10. any ideas ? |
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| 06:42.06 | sethwegner | mattt: base-config, set your timezone |
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| 06:42.18 | mattt | done that. thanks. |
| 06:42.29 | sethwegner | mattt: CMOS battery? |
| 06:42.38 | mattt | vmware host. |
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| 06:43.26 | dondelelcaro | mattt: you almost definetly want your hardware clock at GMT. |
| 06:43.27 | mattt | I started setting the time via nptdate hourly, and I can see the time revert within the hour. |
| 06:43.37 | twinsen | what type of statement could I use in a script that would allow me to check for a line with a word that is entirely capitalized (i.e. CAPITALIZED) |
| 06:43.50 | dondelelcaro | mattt: in any case, it's your setting in /etc/defaults/rcS that's doing it. |
| 06:45.01 | dondelelcaro | twinsen: m/(?:^|\W)[A-Z]+(?:\W|$)/ |
| 06:45.05 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
| 06:45.07 | sethwegner | mattt: ps -ef, kill each until you find the one that is causing it? |
| 06:45.18 | twinsen | dondelecaro: thank you |
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| 06:45.41 | mattt | UTC=no |
| 06:45.52 | sethwegner | dondelelcaro: how does that work? |
| 06:46.14 | dondelelcaro | sethwegner: how does what work? |
| 06:46.32 | Flimzy | it seems I just made an LVM error... I successfully did a 'pvmove' from /dev/sda2... so there were 0 used PE's on sda2. Then I did a 'pvremove /dev/sda2'. Now my volume group is unrecognizable. |
| 06:46.44 | Flimzy | Is there anything i might be able to do to recover what was left on the un-removed PVs? |
| 06:47.08 | sethwegner | dondelelcaro:why would it ever be of value to have the clock change itself every hour? |
| 06:47.25 | twinsen | dondelecaro: m/(?:^|\W)[A-Z]+(?:\W|$)/ is the syntax for what language? |
| 06:47.32 | dondelelcaro | twinsen: it's a regex. |
| 06:47.39 | twinsen | ok |
| 06:48.04 | dondelelcaro | sethwegner: it wouldn't be. I'm talking about keeping your hardware clock in GMT, which is almost always what you want to do, since GMT doesn't do daylight savings time. |
| 06:48.15 | sethwegner | aha |
| 06:48.48 | dondelelcaro | the only time where it may not be is when lamebrained OSes who don't understand the concept of multiple timezones on a single machine |
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| 06:49.20 | twinsen | dondelelcaro: i feel stupid, but I can't figure out how to use that regex within the context of sed or awk |
| 06:49.22 | jsz | hi |
| 06:49.40 | twinsen | i get errors |
| 06:49.44 | jsz | when I do 'X' blackbox won't start, how can I correct this? |
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| 06:49.48 | dondelelcaro | twinsen: perl -ne 'print if m/(?:^|\W)[A-Z]+(?:\W|$)/' < foofile; |
| 06:49.49 | jsz | nick norskfjord |
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| 06:50.20 | norskfjord | what is the file I have to edit to specify the window manager to start with X? |
| 06:50.30 | sethwegner | .xinitrc |
| 06:50.33 | dondelelcaro | js_: presumably you mean when you run startx; in any case, add it to your .xsession. If it doesn't start, check .xsession_errors. |
| 06:50.48 | dondelelcaro | s/_/-/ |
| 06:50.51 | sethwegner | ^norskfjord |
| 06:51.00 | gravity | sethwegner: ~/.xsession is better in Debian. It applies to both startx and any of the *dms |
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| 06:51.42 | sethwegner | gravity: thx, I didn't know that |
| 06:51.50 | gravity | no |
| 06:51.56 | gravity | Er.. np |
| 06:52.04 | norskfjord | thereis no .xinitrc |
| 06:52.08 | norskfjord | or xsession |
| 06:52.19 | dondelelcaro | norskfjord: so create one. It's just a simple shell script |
| 06:52.19 | sethwegner | norskfjord: create one |
| 06:52.20 | gravity | norskfjord: Make one |
| 06:52.31 | sethwegner | echo echo echo |
| 06:52.34 | norskfjord | then what do I put in it ? |
| 06:52.40 | gravity | ~ |
| 06:52.43 | dondelelcaro | echo 'exec blackbox' >> ~/.xsession; |
| 06:52.50 | dondelelcaro | or similar. |
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| 06:53.56 | sethwegner | xterm & icewm-session |
| 06:54.45 | norskfjord | that command doesn't work mate |
| 06:54.50 | dondelelcaro | http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home-plus/.xsession FE |
| 06:55.07 | beleys_ | Bonjour |
| 06:55.29 | norskfjord | I can't look at urls |
| 06:55.34 | norskfjord | care to explain to me? |
| 06:55.53 | dondelelcaro | norskfjord: that's just a more complex example. The command that I gave you works if blackbox is installed and is in your PATH. |
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| 06:56.13 | norskfjord | It should do in my path, how can I make sure? |
| 06:56.28 | dondelelcaro | which blackbox |
| 06:56.39 | dondelelcaro | anwhoo... |
| 06:56.41 | norskfjord | what ever apt downloaded |
| 06:56.48 | sethwegner | norskfjord: what windowmanager do you like? |
| 06:56.56 | norskfjord | blackbox |
| 06:57.10 | norskfjord | sethwegner I just said that |
| 06:57.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: for my .xsession to start a manager. i use MANAGER=`which openbox fluxbox wmaker ... | head -n 1`; exec $MANAGER |
| 06:57.43 | norskfjord | I think .xinitrc is better |
| 06:57.44 | norskfjord | easyer |
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| 06:57.58 | sethwegner | norskfjord: to experiment, you could just put only xterm in your .xession, then try starting blackbox from there. |
| 06:58.11 | sethwegner | then later edit your .xession |
| 06:58.41 | Award | What can cause a usb printer to suddnely be "stalled" (appears busy) after every print job (resetting the printer allows another print job)? |
| 06:58.49 | norskfjord | see this is why I don't like xfree |
| 06:59.00 | norskfjord | I startx doesn't work eather |
| 06:59.03 | norskfjord | only 'X' |
| 06:59.06 | sethwegner | .xinitrc==.xsession |
| 06:59.12 | Award | I'm using lprng since cups doesn't work for me with my Samsung driver, however I have a feeling it doesn't matter if it's lprng or cups. |
| 06:59.17 | norskfjord | this is pissing me off |
| 06:59.23 | norskfjord | I just worked last time |
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| 07:00.11 | norskfjord | maybe I should re-install |
| 07:00.18 | norskfjord | I've done something wrong |
| 07:00.23 | sethwegner | norskfjord: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:00.39 | nekostar | hrm |
| 07:00.51 | nekostar | i opened about 30 instances of xcalc |
| 07:00.52 | norskfjord | I done apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:00.56 | nekostar | then did a killall xcalc |
| 07:01.05 | nekostar | and now they show as <defunct> in top |
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| 07:01.16 | nekostar | is there a way to get em to really disappear? |
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| 07:01.42 | sethwegner | norskfjord: that's not enough. If you do x-window-system (or at least x-window-system-core) it gets what else you need |
| 07:01.44 | linux_manju | nekostar kill -9 /var/run/xclock* |
| 07:01.56 | norskfjord | sweet |
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| 07:02.01 | nekostar | o.O |
| 07:02.18 | nekostar | what is the difference b/t that and killall? and thanx btw :) |
| 07:03.17 | sethwegner | nekostar: xkill, then click on what you want to kill |
| 07:03.42 | nekostar | it killed where i could see it |
| 07:04.10 | sethwegner | nekostar: you could always restart X by logging out & in |
| 07:04.23 | sethwegner | or ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 07:04.39 | nekostar | i just have the defunct processes... but yeah thanx :) and the kill -9 /var/run/xcalc didnt work it said: bash: kill: /var/run/xcalc: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 07:04.42 | nekostar | ah let me try that then |
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| 07:04.56 | sethwegner | s/kill/killall |
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| 07:04.58 | nekostar | im running fluxbox so i can have it restart x with a bit more ease |
| 07:05.35 | sep | grmbl!!! i want back to sarge., my xorg on etch crash every day |
| 07:05.35 | sethwegner | killall -9 xcalc |
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| 07:06.21 | nekostar | hrm |
| 07:06.28 | nekostar | lol no good |
| 07:06.39 | \usr\i686 | what does debian mean? |
| 07:06.41 | nekostar | the calcs are gone from the gui but the process is still there |
| 07:06.53 | sethwegner | Deb and Ian started it |
| 07:07.00 | SimonRaven | it's a combination of 2 names |
| 07:07.24 | \usr\i686 | nekostar: ps auxww | grep xcalc | grep -v grep |
| 07:07.28 | \usr\i686 | then kill the PID |
| 07:08.59 | SimonRaven | grep -e xcalc -v grep |
| 07:09.08 | linux_manju | nekostar do kill -9 `cat /var/run/xclock*` |
| 07:09.09 | \usr\i686 | seppo |
| 07:09.11 | SimonRaven | or something like that |
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| 07:09.55 | linux_manju | nekostar check if its really running or a zombie process |
| 07:10.01 | \usr\i686 | hmm |
| 07:10.27 | SimonRaven | speaking of coffee, i'm gonna get some |
| 07:10.56 | \usr\i686 | SimonRaven, shutup! I'm out of milk :/ |
| 07:11.19 | SimonRaven | bah, you don't need milk ;) |
| 07:11.24 | delox99 | what could happen if i copy kernel modules from /lib/modules/oldkernel to /lib/modules/newkernel? |
| 07:11.33 | sethwegner | coffee should be like beer: thick and black |
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| 07:11.38 | delox99 | is it a problem? |
| 07:11.46 | \usr\i686 | I used to smoke white ox and drink black coffee |
| 07:11.52 | SimonRaven | sethwegner: yar :D |
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| 07:11.59 | nekostar | cat: /var/run/xclock*: No such file or directory <<-- i get that from that exact command linux_manju |
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| 07:12.05 | sethwegner | delox99: the modules are built for that specific kernel |
| 07:12.07 | \usr\i686 | delox99, yes, don't do it! |
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| 07:12.14 | linux_manju | delox99 thats an easy way of screwing up the things |
| 07:12.15 | sethwegner | it'll choke on'em |
| 07:12.39 | nekostar | username 5357 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Zs 22:53 0:00 [xcalc] <defunct> <<--- is what they look like |
| 07:13.05 | sethwegner | nekostar: kill -9 5357 |
| 07:13.07 | \usr\i686 | then do kill 5357 |
| 07:13.10 | nekostar | yeah |
| 07:13.19 | nekostar | there is a few dozen of em lol |
| 07:13.21 | nekostar | ok then |
| 07:13.36 | nekostar | teach me to be silly with it ~_^ |
| 07:13.38 | SimonRaven | um, it's Z ... |
| 07:13.41 | linux_manju | nekostar .. arg which distro n version ur using? |
| 07:14.25 | \usr\i686 | I'm so hungery |
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| 07:14.37 | \usr\i686 | I might go to maccas |
| 07:14.43 | linux_manju | cat /var/run/dhclient.pid |
| 07:14.43 | linux_manju | 3442 |
| 07:15.23 | mhall | falkon: alright |
| 07:15.42 | nekostar | debain of course |
| 07:15.47 | nekostar | and etch >_> |
| 07:15.49 | mhall | falkon: probably the root or boot settings weren't quite right |
| 07:15.54 | sethwegner | linux_manju: what does that tell you? |
| 07:15.58 | mhall | falkon: or you missed the requisite driver for your file system |
| 07:16.05 | linux_manju | cat /var/run/xclock.pid |
| 07:16.05 | linux_manju | 3782 |
| 07:16.08 | nekostar | dont worry about it linux_manju ill just try to kill each manually |
| 07:16.10 | nekostar | then in top |
| 07:16.20 | nekostar | xclock? or xcalc? |
| 07:16.25 | linux_manju | nekostar thats what my sys says |
| 07:16.27 | linux_manju | :) |
| 07:16.33 | nekostar | :) |
| 07:16.39 | linux_manju | nekostar or is it really running ? |
| 07:16.42 | sethwegner | ;-0* |
| 07:16.53 | SimonRaven | um, it's Z. zombie. only way you'll get rid of them is by killing off the PPID |
| 07:17.09 | nekostar | yeah they are defunct is the thing |
| 07:17.09 | linux_manju | nekostar could be a zombie process |
| 07:17.17 | SimonRaven | it means that the parent didn't reap them properly (or couldn't) |
| 07:17.17 | nekostar | that is what they are i think |
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| 07:17.35 | nekostar | i was messing aroudn and opened a few dozen calcs |
| 07:17.38 | nekostar | like a dork lol |
| 07:17.46 | nekostar | i suppose i can just ignore em for now |
| 07:17.46 | torc | "apt-get --purge remove makedev" wants to remove both "makedev* udev*" lol :) |
| 07:18.12 | torc | should makedev & udev be running together? |
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| 07:18.22 | linux_manju | nekostar cant u kill/restart the Xserver may be it will help as it ought to be the child process |
| 07:18.23 | sethwegner | my cdrom reads files fine, but won't rip cds or play vcds. It will play cds okay. What gives? |
| 07:18.48 | nekostar | arg |
| 07:19.02 | nekostar | unless i missed something somewhere that would cut everything off that i have going in the xserver |
| 07:19.05 | nekostar | like irc right? |
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| 07:19.37 | sethwegner | nekostar: learn to love the terminal; you can never go wrong. Bitchx all the way, baby |
| 07:19.43 | nekostar | lol |
| 07:19.49 | SimonRaven | torc: don't remove makedev |
| 07:20.02 | nekostar | getting closer to ya sethwegner :D |
| 07:20.08 | nekostar | but i do like a pretty gui now and then |
| 07:20.11 | nekostar | ^_^ |
| 07:20.17 | torc | SimonRaven: sure. thanks :) |
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| 07:20.37 | SimonRaven | udev is optional (for now) |
| 07:20.44 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 07:21.07 | nekostar | well lets see about some more pretty stuff for linux |
| 07:21.20 | torc | SimonRaven: i see. but normally udev is standalone, or just a helper to makedev? |
| 07:21.24 | SimonRaven | :/ meaning that we might get forced into using it and have no static /dev ... i dread that day if it ever comes |
| 07:21.25 | nekostar | *whispers* btw my friends freak out on 3ddesktop package! hehe |
| 07:21.38 | SimonRaven | torc: man MAKEDEV; man udev |
| 07:22.03 | torc | SimonRaven: yeah. static is nice. like a /rescue for bsd ;) |
| 07:22.13 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
| 07:22.41 | SimonRaven | i put a /rescue on some of my linux boxen |
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| 07:23.06 | torc | SimonRaven: you compile it statically by hand or how?\ |
| 07:23.32 | SimonRaven | i just stick in some .debs and some tools. yeh, static if needed |
| 07:23.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, I just made it overly verbose |
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| 07:23.54 | SimonRaven | .debs of libc6, bootloader, other stuff |
| 07:24.29 | sethwegner | SimonRaven: I just keep a log of everything I do as root |
| 07:24.30 | torc | SimonRaven: aha. then you chroot there and everything is fine? |
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| 07:25.19 | SimonRaven | no, i usually boot from alternate media and do replacemnets, or fix ups or whatever. it's rare i have to do that |
| 07:25.41 | SimonRaven | but yeh, i usually manage to get everything working again |
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| 07:26.40 | poonj | hey guys |
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| 07:29.31 | Flimzy | Is there any support in Linux for ATI SATA chipsets? |
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| 07:30.08 | streuner | What does 'usenet' say? |
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| 07:30.27 | SimonRaven | nice one |
| 07:30.53 | streuner | SimonRaven: thank you ;-) |
| 07:31.16 | jm_ | Flimzy: is it mentioned on Linux SATA page? |
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| 07:31.51 | Flimzy | jm_: Where is the Linux SATA page? I've been googling for info on this chipset, and have found very little about it |
| 07:32.14 | jm_ | Flimzy: uhm http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 07:32.18 | Flimzy | thanks |
| 07:32.22 | SimonRaven | i thought it was, but i probably mis-remember |
| 07:32.23 | jm_ | I don't see anything about ATI there, unless it's covered by AHCI driver |
| 07:32.45 | jm_ | they also have development repository, worth checking there too |
| 07:32.54 | streuner | Flimzy: what's the exact chipset? |
| 07:33.10 | Flimzy | streuner: I'm not entirely sure. lspci just says "Unknown" |
| 07:33.28 | SimonRaven | update-pciids |
| 07:33.34 | streuner | hm, almost always a bad sign... |
| 07:34.03 | Flimzy | I'll try this AHCI bit I guess |
| 07:34.56 | streuner | Flimzy: sell this piece of hardware and buy something which is supported |
| 07:34.59 | jm_ | better to buy more common hardware :) |
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| 07:35.18 | bleaked | is there a good streaming media guide available? (like, what to install to have support for most, if not all of the streaming video, within a browser) |
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| 07:36.26 | jm_ | http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/ is pretty useful for Firefox |
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| 07:37.56 | bucky | Flimzy: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0503.1/0129.html it's siimage based.. doesn't look good |
| 07:39.14 | jm_ | you'll need to grep by id because naughty Mr Garzik |
| 07:39.16 | jm_ | doesn't use the PCI ID defines |
| 07:39.16 | jm_ | haha |
| 07:40.23 | jm_ | it looks like it will work with this simple patch |
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| 07:44.43 | mhall | jm_: lol |
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| 07:50.04 | Flimzy | Hrmph |
| 07:50.04 | linux_manju | iKernel what is a madwifi? |
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| 07:50.20 | Flimzy | I guess I'll try that "simple patch" then! And grep for some IDs... hehe |
| 07:51.31 | torc | update-alternatives does not control /bin/sh symlinks? |
| 07:51.53 | liable | linux_manju: wifi modules for atheros cards |
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| 07:52.19 | linux_manju | liable oh... thnx |
| 07:53.08 | linux_manju | :) |
| 07:53.49 | bucky | Flimzy: i wonder if that patch ever made it into 2.6.12 |
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| 07:55.02 | Flimzy | bucky: Well I'm about to find out if it's in .14 |
| 07:56.18 | kolo | how to read ntfs partitiom? |
| 07:56.37 | Flimzy | kolo: mount /dev/foo -t ntfs |
| 07:56.49 | linux_manju | kolo mount - ntfs 192.168.X.x:/path /mount point |
| 07:57.01 | numist | kolo: mount -t ntfs -o user=kolo /dev/hd?# /mnt/mymountpoint |
| 07:57.05 | jm_ | Flimzy: it isn't |
| 07:57.10 | kolo | foo is the hd name? |
| 07:57.23 | Flimzy | linux_manju: Are you confusing NTFS with NFS? |
| 07:57.33 | Flimzy | jm_: phoo! |
| 07:57.39 | linux_manju | Flimzy arrg.. |
| 07:57.41 | linux_manju | ooops |
| 07:57.44 | linux_manju | sorry |
| 07:57.48 | torc | I wonder if I will break much if I point /bin/sh to /bin/dash ? |
| 07:57.59 | Flimzy | that patch doesn't seem to work quite right |
| 07:58.06 | Flimzy | and I don't know enough about diffs to know why |
| 07:58.07 | Flimzy | *sigh* |
| 07:58.53 | kolo | thanx dude |
| 07:59.05 | kolo | actually i dl the netinstall deb |
| 07:59.11 | kolo | so i am having difficulty |
| 07:59.19 | kolo | using it |
| 07:59.57 | Flimzy | patch: **** malformed patch at line 5: { |
| 08:00.06 | Flimzy | Is a diff not supposed to have a { in it? |
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| 08:00.19 | jm_ | it's not that |
| 08:00.47 | Flimzy | Maybe I'll just edit the files by hand |
| 08:00.54 | Flimzy | it's not too much to add 5 lines of code |
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| 08:02.56 | Flimzy | okees |
| 08:02.58 | Flimzy | got that added |
| 08:03.05 | Flimzy | now to compile a kernel and see if it works! |
| 08:03.46 | SimonRaven | for terms, AA sucketh, IMO |
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| 08:04.55 | Flimzy | now... shall I begin installing Debian on my G4 PowerBook now, or wait until I have the Athlon 64 up and running sufficiently? |
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| 08:05.12 | Tchiak | what's a good parition size for a /var? |
| 08:05.16 | Tchiak | mnt point? |
| 08:05.24 | Flimzy | Tchiak: 300 gigs |
| 08:05.24 | dondelelcaro | Tchiak: depends on what you're doing. |
| 08:05.29 | Flimzy | Tchiak: Or maybe 1 gig |
| 08:05.35 | Flimzy | Tchiak, Depends entirely on what you're using it for, of course. |
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| 08:06.07 | Tchiak | what exactly goes through the /var? |
| 08:06.29 | dondelelcaro | Tchiak: databases, logs, apt's cache... |
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| 08:06.49 | Tchiak | so for casual uses 8gb should be enough? |
| 08:06.59 | Tchiak | i'm gonna do some database work but not massive |
| 08:06.59 | dondelelcaro | Tchiak: more than enough. |
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| 08:10.22 | Tchiak | !nvidia |
| 08:10.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 08:10.38 | Tchiak | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:10.38 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 08:11.36 | CWX_19^_^ | hii |
| 08:11.45 | quitte_ | argh! another dumb advertiser. if you want to go in the fast internet you need dsl. seems there are several internets available nowadays. which one should i use? |
| 08:11.53 | Tchiak | !nvidia-howto |
| 08:11.54 | dpkg | well, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
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| 08:15.14 | Rawplayer | MI |
| 08:18.28 | Tchiak | arg this is annoying |
| 08:18.35 | Tchiak | !info grub |
| 08:18.39 | dpkg | grub: (GRand Unified Bootloader), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.97-1 (sid), Packaged size: 348 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
| 08:18.41 | Tchiak | !grub |
| 08:18.42 | dpkg | hmm... grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 08:18.55 | Tchiak | !lilo |
| 08:18.55 | dpkg | i guess lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 08:19.03 | busta | grub sex li be |
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| 08:19.17 | Tchiak | it never wants to work right for me -_- |
| 08:19.20 | Tchiak | i prefer lilo |
| 08:19.23 | Tchiak | never has failed me yet |
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| 08:20.21 | busta | adji ba |
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| 08:22.04 | busta | Tchiak noob |
| 08:22.06 | busta | :)) |
| 08:22.42 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 08:23.22 | busta | ok li |
| 08:23.23 | busta | ei sq |
| 08:24.05 | ice_1963 | ok sh |
| 08:24.28 | ice_1963 | :0)- |
| 08:24.30 | busta | ;p |
| 08:24.45 | ice_1963 | ;p |
| 08:24.59 | ice_1963 | s/a |
| 08:27.03 | Tchiak | why on the install if i want to skip everything and just install grub does it constantly have to reinstall everything? |
| 08:27.09 | Tchiak | why can't it just install grub |
| 08:27.10 | Tchiak | -_- |
| 08:27.14 | Tchiak | or lilo |
| 08:27.19 | Tchiak | or whatever bootloader i choose |
| 08:27.33 | busta | no grub sex |
| 08:27.36 | busta | pls |
| 08:27.48 | jm_ | why would one use installer to install GRUB in the first place? |
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| 08:28.10 | liable | Tchiak: you need to drop to a shell and mount, and chroot and install. |
| 08:28.31 | busta | need shell account |
| 08:28.33 | liable | busta: wth are you on about? |
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| 08:29.59 | aethera | hi all |
| 08:30.02 | cshaman | is it normal practice to use 'extern' for functions in a header file? |
| 08:30.07 | aethera | congrats on a awesome distro |
| 08:30.08 | aethera | :) |
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| 08:30.13 | cshaman | ...because the functions are defined elsewhere |
| 08:30.35 | nekostar | arg |
| 08:30.38 | nekostar | freakin arg |
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| 08:30.43 | nekostar | well goodnight all |
| 08:30.47 | cshaman | gnight. |
| 08:31.21 | busta | liable i want shell account |
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| 08:31.44 | SimonRaven | busta: so install debian |
| 08:32.00 | SimonRaven | you'll have more shells than you know what to do with them |
| 08:32.09 | cshaman | oops! i apologize, i asked the question in the completely wrong channel lol |
| 08:32.54 | busta | i need for eggdrop process |
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| 08:33.17 | SimonRaven | and? |
| 08:33.33 | busta | and ? |
| 08:34.01 | sep | busta, eggdrop is packaged in debian |
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| 08:34.51 | busta | what is debian |
| 08:34.55 | busta | linux ? |
| 08:34.59 | sep | bucky, a linux distro |
| 08:35.12 | busta | i need account |
| 08:35.16 | busta | user |
| 08:35.18 | busta | in some linux |
| 08:35.19 | busta | man |
| 08:35.24 | jm_ | you won't find it here |
| 08:35.42 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 08:35.44 | dondelelcaro | busta: we don't give out shells here. Find an ISP and purchase one. |
| 08:36.47 | SimonRaven | descr: InternetGroup -PA space |
| 08:38.56 | ircdevil | Khisanth: will you are at it, people connecting from jabbar (or whatever) they are missed by auto-completion in most clients |
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| 08:39.04 | busta | fuck fuck fuck |
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| 08:39.19 | ircdevil | s/will/while/ |
| 08:39.20 | tzafrir_laptop | busta, google for "free shell" |
| 08:39.22 | Tchiak | hey take your 12 yr old prepubescent language out of here |
| 08:39.23 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 08:39.29 | Tchiak | :P |
| 08:39.38 | tzafrir_laptop | this is probably not the place for you |
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| 08:39.50 | busta | not free |
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| 08:39.54 | aethera | Morning to you all |
| 08:40.01 | busta | don`t free |
| 08:40.01 | ircdevil | "fuck"x3 |
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| 08:40.34 | tzafrir_laptop | if you're willing to pay, you can get even better terms. |
| 08:40.55 | tzafrir_laptop | google for "linux shell hosting" or something similar |
| 08:41.06 | busta | oka |
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| 08:41.32 | MiRaCuLiX | Okay |
| 08:42.53 | aethera | is writing to an ntfs partition stable yet? |
| 08:43.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:43.03 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 08:43.05 | tarzeau | aethera: sure |
| 08:43.09 | tarzeau | aethera: ntfs 4 or 5? |
| 08:43.14 | aethera | uhm |
| 08:43.16 | aethera | not really sure |
| 08:43.22 | tarzeau | aethera: just don't rely on it, it'll work again for in windows |
| 08:43.26 | aethera | its my windows xp drive |
| 08:43.31 | tarzeau | aethera: it's kinda like a cursed bag of holding |
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| 08:43.42 | tzafrir_laptop | aethera, hmmm, by the way of dd: yes. Alternatively: only if you don't intend to modify the size of any file |
| 08:43.45 | tarzeau | aethera: you put stuff into it, and some stuff is still there if you look after it, and some just disappeared |
| 08:44.01 | aethera | well can I convert a partiotion to reiserfs? |
| 08:44.09 | quitte | does stuff reappear when blessing it? |
| 08:44.11 | tarzeau | and if you put the the wrong thing into it (another bag of holding) POUF it explodes, and all is gone :) |
| 08:44.14 | tarzeau | aethera: no |
| 08:44.27 | tzafrir_laptop | aethera, from what? |
| 08:44.29 | tarzeau | quitte: it's like a loadstone, you can't bless it |
| 08:44.32 | aethera | ntfs |
| 08:44.41 | busta | tzafrir_laptop do you can add one user in your linux for me |
| 08:44.42 | tarzeau | quitte: you can, but it'll be cursed just right you pick it up again :) |
| 08:44.52 | tzafrir_laptop | no. just backup/restore |
| 08:44.57 | quitte | tarzeau: not even uncurse? never seen a loadstone. haven't even found a touchstone yet |
| 08:45.03 | busta | i want for eggdrop process |
| 08:45.13 | busta | Please |
| 08:45.18 | tarzeau | quitte: a loadstone is always cursed and makes you "burdened" |
| 08:45.29 | tzafrir_laptop | busta, I'm no hosting provider. I can give you the name of the service I use |
| 08:45.32 | tarzeau | quitte: to get rid of it you want to uncurse it and never pick it up again |
| 08:45.35 | quitte | tarzeau: ah ok. i dont want it |
| 08:45.37 | aethera | tzafrir_laptop: I am ghoing to do that |
| 08:45.54 | tarzeau | quitte: touchstones can most probably be found in the gnomish mines and identified easily |
| 08:46.10 | tarzeau | quitte: they make "scritch, scritch" if you rub it against something metallic hard (main weapon?) |
| 08:46.16 | aethera | I am so glad to be back on a linux system |
| 08:46.17 | aethera | :)( |
| 08:46.18 | tzafrir_laptop | busta, the basic account is 5$ a month and I'm quite satisfied with them |
| 08:46.20 | quitte | tarzeau: while you're at it - do you want to give me some hints for the last level of the gnomish mines? |
| 08:46.22 | tarzeau | quitte: once blessed you can identify all other gems with it |
| 08:46.38 | quitte | tarzeau: ok thanks ill find a touchstone soon then |
| 08:46.39 | busta | give me |
| 08:46.41 | tarzeau | quitte: you can find the last level by trying out to dig further down, and it's too hard to dig |
| 08:46.45 | busta | tzafrir_laptop free? |
| 08:47.01 | tarzeau | quitte: #nethack and www.frappr.com/nethack btw :) |
| 08:47.02 | aethera | Debian Rocks!! |
| 08:47.06 | quitte | tarzeau: the last level is that one small room fullof monsters, right? |
| 08:47.20 | tzafrir_laptop | free as in 5$ a month. Also google for "free shell", as I mentioned earlier |
| 08:47.21 | tarzeau | aethera: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 08:47.22 | Flimzy | Woot |
| 08:47.25 | Flimzy | I can see the SATA drive now |
| 08:47.30 | busta | tzafrir_laptop i need web page |
| 08:47.38 | Flimzy | now it's time to zap XP, and add that 250gb to my LVM volume group... |
| 08:47.41 | tarzeau | quitte: yep |
| 08:47.50 | tarzeau | quitte: there are different last levels :) |
| 08:48.04 | quitte | tarzeau: what am i supposed to do there? kill everything tha moves? and then what? |
| 08:48.26 | tarzeau | quitte: one can ascend without doing gnomish mines. but gnome shop town is cool, don't miss it |
| 08:48.50 | tarzeau | quitte: you don't have to do anything, but you might find some useful items in there and lotsa food |
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| 08:49.11 | tarzeau | quitte: like bags, armor, tools |
| 08:49.25 | quitte | the gnomish mines aren't that hard. i'd rather do them. i usually die in level 8 or 9. for different stupid reasons |
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| 08:49.46 | tarzeau | quitte: you improve your xp? ac? and #enhance ? |
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| 08:50.05 | quitte | tarzeau: #enhance? never used that |
| 08:50.07 | tarzeau | quitte: so you die between big room and oracle? |
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| 08:50.14 | tarzeau | quitte: oh you should! |
| 08:50.20 | quitte | hmm |
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| 08:50.52 | bucky | Flimzy: how did you do it? |
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| 08:51.15 | quitte | orale of delphi? no i go past that then through sokoban and soon after that i die. or i go through gnomish mines but didnt succeed to fully go through them yet |
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| 08:51.33 | quitte | tarzeau: i cant ptoperly figure out what makes the guards angry |
| 08:51.36 | busta | tzafrir_laptop m |
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| 08:52.52 | tarzeau | quitte: in gnome town, don't drink foutnain when they look, don't kick trees when they look, don't kill doors, open them only when they are not there |
| 08:53.04 | tarzeau | don't sack % at altars with priests |
| 08:53.04 | Duelist | okay, I just now (re-)installed Debian testing/unstable and I'm having trouble getting my sound working. |
| 08:53.18 | Duelist | something tells me that the module at least should be getting loaded |
| 08:53.20 | tarzeau | get powerful enough, come back to minetown and murder them all! Mwhahahaha |
| 08:53.23 | tzafrir_laptop | busta, too lazy to google, are we? http://www.ductape.net/~mitja/freeunix.shtml and don't bother asking me again |
| 08:53.39 | quitte | tarzeau: i cant im a neutral human |
| 08:53.47 | tarzeau | quitte: sure you can :) |
| 08:53.57 | busta | tzafrir_laptop free? |
| 08:54.02 | tarzeau | quitte: it might just not be very smart. but really it's fun |
| 08:54.13 | quitte | yes. but an angry god is a pretty bad thing to have. hmm ring of free action helps i guess |
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| 08:55.44 | cshaman | just out of curiosity, does the SDL graphics library work without X? |
| 08:55.52 | quitte | yes |
| 08:56.17 | jm_ | sure |
| 08:56.22 | fireba11 | quitte: you talking about D&d ? |
| 08:56.33 | quitte | fireba11: no, nethack |
| 08:56.39 | Duelist | okay. the module is getting loaded (snd_via82xx) |
| 08:56.46 | fireba11 | quitte: lol .. sounded like it though |
| 08:56.47 | Duelist | but I don't get a /dev/dsp or a mixer |
| 08:56.58 | jm_ | /dev/dsp is OSS device |
| 08:57.01 | quitte | fireba11: you might want to try it then |
| 08:57.22 | Duelist | ah. is there some other module I need to load as well? |
| 08:57.30 | quitte | i haven't found a d&d master to introduce me unfortunately |
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| 08:57.36 | jm_ | ALSA has OSS compatibility modules if you really want them |
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| 08:58.07 | Duelist | is there a way to get esd to work without OSS compatibility? |
| 08:58.12 | Duelist | or did I miss something |
| 08:58.23 | jm_ | why would you use esd? |
| 08:58.33 | jm_ | and yes, ESD supports ALSA |
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| 08:59.20 | fireba11 | quitte: am playing about 2 out of 3 weekends for years now |
| 08:59.21 | Duelist | because I am using GNOME and most GNOME stuff is expecting esd for sound |
| 08:59.42 | jm_ | I'm sure you can disable that |
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| 09:00.49 | quitte | hmm. #enhance just shows skills. i used it before. can i train special skills at will ? |
| 09:01.19 | quitte | fireba11: d&d or nethack? how did you find a master? |
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| 09:02.06 | fireba11 | quitte: D&D .. wasn't that hard . am playing roleplay for hm ... about 12 years now or so |
| 09:02.08 | Duelist | well I want to use esd so I can hear my sound |
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| 09:02.28 | Duelist | of course if I didn't want sound I'd leave well enough alone |
| 09:02.43 | aethera | does anyone have issues with the kde desktop configuration tool crasshing when you want to change the background? |
| 09:02.46 | liable | !sound |
| 09:02.47 | dpkg | [sound] ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 09:03.01 | liable | meh, not the one i was thinkling of. |
| 09:03.02 | Tchiak | if i have a /boot partition do i have to make it bootable? |
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| 09:03.16 | aethera | Tchiak: yes |
| 09:03.36 | Tchiak | so id on't make / bootable just /boot |
| 09:03.48 | Duelist | !alsa for morons |
| 09:03.48 | dpkg | hmm... alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 09:04.12 | Duelist | !alsa-bork |
| 09:04.12 | dpkg | methinks alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 09:04.56 | liable | Duelist: you can /msg dpkg foo :) |
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| 09:05.04 | Duelist | ok |
| 09:05.11 | Duelist | sorry I have not been here in ages |
| 09:05.13 | liable | Duelist: or just ask in the query window |
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| 09:05.42 | Duelist | I thought you guys would get some amusement from the fact the first one I checked out was "alsa for morons" |
| 09:06.11 | liable | hah, i did smile at that :) |
| 09:06.25 | nekostar | how can i configure my ip ? |
| 09:06.27 | nekostar | to be static? internally? |
| 09:06.38 | aethera | brb |
| 09:06.42 | Duelist | the module is there. for some reason I was stuck thinking about a friend's box that had a Crystal Media card and was looking for snd-cmipci |
| 09:06.49 | Duelist | turns out the module *was* getting loaded all along. |
| 09:06.49 | liable | nekostar: man interfaces |
| 09:07.01 | Duelist | I just didn't get a %$&^*@ mixer |
| 09:09.03 | Duelist | brb |
| 09:09.16 | Tchiak | ok everytime i try to install grub or lilo from the installer it says: The lilo package filed to install into /target/. Installing LILO as a boot loader is a required step. The install problem might however be unrelated to LILO, so continuing the installtion may be possible. LILO installation faild. Continue anyway? |
| 09:09.17 | Tchiak | wtf? |
| 09:10.24 | nekostar | liable, that doesnt show me enough unfortuantely |
| 09:10.34 | nekostar | know of a gui tool that lets me set that and dns servers? |
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| 09:12.12 | liable | nekostar: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gz (as the man page says ;) |
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| 09:12.28 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 09:12.53 | indigirl1 | hello #debian. to build a kernel module or custom kernel why do i need to install both packages: linux-headers and kernel-source? redundant right? wrong? |
| 09:12.53 | nekostar | yeah |
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| 09:13.02 | nekostar | i dont seem to have that |
| 09:13.22 | Duelist | thanks for the help. I'm now jamming out to my old .ogg files just like I was before the reinstall |
| 09:13.36 | dimir | indigirl1: you need headers to build from sources |
| 09:13.36 | Duelist | hint: it helps to be in group audio |
| 09:13.57 | dimir | indigirl1: headers in the system, that is. |
| 09:14.11 | jm_ | Duelist: "/msg dpkg audio" mentions that |
| 09:14.20 | Duelist | ah. I don't think I saw that one |
| 09:14.34 | Duelist | but "ls -l /dev/dsp" made it obvious enough |
| 09:14.39 | azeem | indigirl1: well written custom kernel modules should not need the full source, just the headers, I think |
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| 09:15.11 | Duelist | by the way, if anyone is here who worked on the new GUI installer... it rocks! |
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| 09:16.26 | indigirl1 | dimir: please, some explanation behind the response. im trying to install an understanding in my mind. |
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| 09:17.03 | LostNoobs | ns:/# cat test |
| 09:17.03 | LostNoobs | Form |
| 09:17.03 | LostNoobs | ns:/# cat test|sed 's/^From /From: /' |
| 09:17.03 | LostNoobs | Form |
| 09:17.04 | LostNoobs | ns:/# |
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| 09:17.27 | LostNoobs | sorry |
| 09:17.28 | LostNoobs | :) |
| 09:17.30 | azeem | !paster |
| 09:17.31 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 09:17.47 | dimir | indigirl1: :-) Well, the kernel code uses header files from system (e. g. /usr/include/linux/*), and package kernel-headers provides these. |
| 09:17.51 | LostNoobs | !paster |
| 09:17.51 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 09:18.05 | Tchiak | FEEL MY SQUIRRELY WRATH! |
| 09:18.15 | azeem | Tchiak: please do not shout |
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| 09:18.30 | Tchiak | i wasen't shouting.. i was screaming |
| 09:18.35 | Tchiak | there is a distinct diference |
| 09:18.36 | azeem | whatever |
| 09:18.47 | LostNoobs | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1185 |
| 09:18.55 | Tchiak | shouting is general loudness.. screaming is a high pitched yelp of words due to extreme frustration |
| 09:19.04 | dimir | LostNoobs: do you have a whitespace after "From" in a file? |
| 09:19.09 | LostNoobs | yes |
| 09:19.25 | spo0nman | indigirl1: because kernel-headers have the linux kernel header files and the source has the source ".c" files. |
| 09:19.25 | dimir | LostNoobs: try cat test|sed 's/^From\ /From: /' |
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| 09:19.35 | azeem | LostNoobs: your cat says "Form" not "From" |
| 09:19.50 | LostNoobs | oups |
| 09:20.00 | spo0nman | indigirl1: now the question that strikes you is ... why are they in seprate packages? |
| 09:20.03 | dimir | LostAngel: lol |
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| 09:20.18 | LostNoobs | :) |
| 09:20.21 | dimir | LostNoobs that is.. |
| 09:20.23 | LostNoobs | yes |
| 09:20.25 | LostNoobs | thanks |
| 09:20.40 | spo0nman | indigirl1: because you dont always need the full source of the kernel. maybe say you're just writing a driver for your lan card you only need headers not the full source. |
| 09:20.45 | indigirl1 | spo0nman: thx but that's akin to saying a hamburger contains a patty and a happy meal contains a toy. i already gathered that much from the package names. |
| 09:21.08 | aethera | can you actually remove gnome? |
| 09:21.12 | spo0nman | indigirl1: i gave you a reason too. |
| 09:21.39 | indigirl1 | spo0nman: i was writing my response by the time you posted your reason. |
| 09:21.48 | spo0nman | indigirl1: you get it now? |
| 09:21.54 | beardy | aethera: What is the problem when you try? |
| 09:22.00 | aethera | nah |
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| 09:22.00 | indigirl1 | spo0nman: just a sec to read... |
| 09:22.05 | aethera | trying to uninstall it |
| 09:22.07 | azeem | the remove gnome factoid is for 1.x |
| 09:22.09 | liable | aethera: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 09:22.12 | sep | !remove gnome |
| 09:22.12 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 09:22.20 | liable | oh.. |
| 09:22.27 | beardy | hmm |
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| 09:22.38 | SunDevil | heu |
| 09:22.46 | SunDevil | how can i script the input needed for the 'passwd' command? |
| 09:22.55 | azeem | well, the second part of the factoid is still good advise I guess |
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| 09:23.06 | tarzeau | SunDevil: you shouldn't |
| 09:23.13 | SunDevil | but what if i want to |
| 09:23.14 | dimir | SunDevil: through pam config, /etc/pam.d/passwd |
| 09:23.15 | SunDevil | ? |
| 09:23.16 | beardy | SunDevil: That's not a good idea. |
| 09:23.18 | tarzeau | SunDevil: expect |
| 09:23.30 | tarzeau | SunDevil: but really it's wrong |
| 09:23.52 | spo0nman | indigirl1: basically sometimes you need the full source ... for example in your case when you are compiling a kernel. and sometimes you only need the header files ... in case of someone who's developing a driver for a hardware. |
| 09:23.52 | dimir | Oh, script, I read strict. |
| 09:23.52 | indigirl1 | spo0nman: well its odd that one says linux and the other named kernel. seems linux is a kernel and vice versa |
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| 09:24.18 | Duelist | indigirl1: time was when GNU/Linux was the only version of Debian. there's going to be a GNU/Hurd version too |
| 09:24.22 | dimir | indigirl1: linux is the name of the kernel |
| 09:24.31 | Duelist | thus the big rename kernel-* -> linux-* |
| 09:24.35 | tarzeau | Duelist: and there is GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 09:24.41 | Duelist | yeah, that too |
| 09:25.01 | Duelist | though I would find it more useful to have, say, the OpenBSD userland on a Linux kernel than vice versa |
| 09:25.03 | tarzeau | Duelist: and it's got about 76% of sid built, and works stable and neat, with sound, with xorg, with gnome, with kde |
| 09:25.05 | spo0nman | indigirl1: the names of the package could well be a heritage ... someone named them like it and thus they are like that. no more reason. |
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| 09:25.20 | indigirl1 | spo0nman: to install the fuse-module but not a custom kernel, then i need only the headers, you say? |
| 09:25.21 | liable | indigirl1: the kernel name changed recently from kernel-foo to linix-foo due to others to be included later (such as bsd, hurd etc) |
| 09:25.24 | tarzeau | Duelist: i like debian gnu/kfreebsd way better than freebsd and ports/packages |
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| 09:25.45 | spo0nman | indigirl1: to compile a module ... you shall only need the headers. |
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| 09:26.05 | tarzeau | besides the ging live cd system for gnu/kfreebsd is really nice (if only kvm and libdiscover got fixed for it) |
| 09:26.05 | indigirl1 | great |
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| 09:26.15 | SunDevil | tarzeau: the idea is, in DOS you can use < inputfile as commandline input. in bash it prints the complete file instead of accepting the contents as a script |
| 09:26.17 | indigirl1 | lots of hd space saved |
| 09:26.33 | tarzeau | SunDevil: haha DOS copied < from UNIX |
| 09:26.35 | Duelist | tarzeau: yeah, FreeBSD's ports system blows ass |
| 09:26.40 | tarzeau | SunDevil: you can do < inputfile with UNIX too |
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| 09:26.54 | SunDevil | tarzeau: in bash it prints the complete file instead of accepting the contents as a script |
| 09:27.06 | Flimzy | tarzeau: DOS copied everything from SOMEWHERE |
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| 09:27.10 | tarzeau | Duelist: i don't like netbsd ports either, no idea about openbsd (but i guess i won't like it either) |
| 09:27.15 | ajkroll | anyone care to test out a new free font that I just scraped together? it's not complete, but, I'd like some opinions (especially from people familiar with legacy hardware) The font is free, for use by anyone. Enjoy. http://dr.ea.ms/~oldfart/myfonts/ |
| 09:27.17 | tarzeau | Flimzy: i never said the opposite |
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| 09:27.28 | tarzeau | Flimzy: so did windows (3d widgets from openstep) |
| 09:27.28 | Duelist | tarzeau: for what I use OpenBSD for the ports system is not that annoying. |
| 09:27.28 | menace | Duelist: apt-get sucks as well, from a user's point :P |
| 09:27.38 | Duelist | if I wanted to use OpenBSD as a desktop it would piss me off royallt |
| 09:27.40 | Duelist | royally |
| 09:27.42 | tarzeau | menace: why? |
| 09:27.46 | fasthunter | hi all! I have problem with apt-get. doing apt-get install zlib1g-dev. result Broken package |
| 09:28.07 | tarzeau | menace: the most annoying thing to me is that a user can't apt-get install packages into his own directory locally |
| 09:28.13 | tarzeau | fasthunter: sid? |
| 09:28.14 | beardy | menace: Few would agree with you. |
| 09:28.22 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: which year is openstep from? |
| 09:28.23 | fasthunter | srage |
| 09:28.29 | tarzeau | ajkroll: i'm looking |
| 09:28.30 | fasthunter | sarge |
| 09:28.41 | tarzeau | valdyn_: nextstep got public in 1988, openstep a few years later |
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| 09:28.53 | tarzeau | ajkroll: got no screenshots? |
| 09:28.58 | menace | because for an naive user it's much easiert to search through directories (in his way) and looking at the installscripts there, than going through the several programs and their manpages (apt-get/cache, dpkg) |
| 09:29.03 | menace | beardy: no |
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| 09:29.20 | botsy | hi |
| 09:29.22 | menace | "easier" |
| 09:29.55 | ajkroll | tarzeau: thanx, I know there are a few bugs in it, but I use it to write code in X (because I hate the other fonts, since you cannot tell between the trouble glyphs, like l, 1, O, 0 etc) |
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| 09:30.08 | menace | and openbsd doesn't even resolve the dependencies. so, please stop mourning, Duelist |
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| 09:30.26 | tarzeau | ajkroll: i've just tried it it's too wide for me |
| 09:30.27 | ma3x | @find libtcl8.4.so.0 |
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| 09:30.38 | ma3x | !find libtcl8.4.so.0 |
| 09:30.46 | ajkroll | tarzeau: explian what you mean |
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| 09:31.00 | aethera | wohooooooooooo no more gnome |
| 09:31.01 | blondie | he's too thin |
| 09:31.01 | tarzeau | ajkroll: too much horizontal size |
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| 09:31.17 | ajkroll | tarzeau: it's 8x8 rom font based... |
| 09:31.28 | tarzeau | ajkroll: yes i find that ugly |
| 09:31.33 | ajkroll | tarzeau: I know I still need to cut down the hight |
| 09:31.47 | aethera | whats the prefered desktop enviroment or window manager in the channel? |
| 09:31.53 | ajkroll | tarzeau: ugly is not the question :-) |
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| 09:32.00 | Ethics | any that work for you |
| 09:32.17 | tarzeau | aethera: i like GNUstep/Window Maker |
| 09:32.25 | ajkroll | tarzeau: if you don't recognize the font, it's a rip from VIC-20 Charset ROM |
| 09:32.27 | aethera | tarzeau: I also do |
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| 09:32.31 | beardy | aethera: Whatever you prefer. |
| 09:32.31 | Ethics | aethera, flux and gnome are most common i think for us but theres all flavours here |
| 09:32.32 | aethera | but I like KDE |
| 09:32.32 | tarzeau | aethera: looks like this: http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png |
| 09:32.35 | aethera | its nice :) |
| 09:32.56 | ajkroll | tarzeau: it's not supposedta be "pretty" It's supposedta be Old Sk00L |
| 09:33.04 | tarzeau | ajkroll: i didn't recognize it, i've liked amiga one: www.linuks.mine.nu/amiga/ |
| 09:33.20 | aethera | tarzeau: I use emacs all the time |
| 09:33.37 | ajkroll | as far as I know, it's the first VIC-20 TTF :-D |
| 09:33.41 | tarzeau | aethera: you're not in #emacs nor #gnustep ? |
| 09:33.53 | aethera | tarzeau: I am from Africa |
| 09:33.54 | aethera | :P |
| 09:34.18 | aethera | its time to work atm |
| 09:35.13 | ajkroll | tarzeau: don't worry about uglyness anyhow, because I'll be putting together another set of glyphs based on the same thing that will end up smother, while still providing clear glyphs for programming :-) |
| 09:35.23 | tarzeau | aethera: add yourself? http://www.frappr.com/emacs |
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| 09:37.15 | aethera | tarzeau: will do |
| 09:37.17 | aethera | later |
| 09:37.24 | litage | can a domain name contain a hyphen or underscore? |
| 09:37.31 | Flimzy | hyphens, yes |
| 09:37.33 | tarzeau | litage: yes, no |
| 09:37.35 | Flimzy | underscores.. not sure |
| 09:37.39 | aethera | `hyphens yes |
| 09:37.40 | Flimzy | dont' think so, tho |
| 09:37.50 | aethera | no underscores |
| 09:37.55 | litage | thanks |
| 09:38.15 | beardy | aethera: Please don't /msg people. /topic |
| 09:38.18 | Flimzy | I should register -.com, so I can then make a hostname completely out of morse code! |
| 09:38.32 | litage | and domain names must start with an alphanumer, or just alpha char? |
| 09:38.45 | Flimzy | litage: Google |
| 09:38.52 | Flimzy | litage: or look at any registrar's site |
| 09:39.03 | aethera | beardy: ok |
| 09:39.08 | Flimzy | Or look up ICANN |
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| 09:39.33 | beardy | ~tell heltena -about root |
| 09:39.39 | beardy | oh, a quit.. |
| 09:39.42 | aethera | litage: I use joker.com |
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| 09:41.32 | Ethics | anyone got a line to install kde 3.4 parts in etch....or is there a clue on which bits are 3.4ed the factoid is short on information |
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| 09:48.25 | henk | i want to download a torrent image to my server what is the easy way (note server no gui available and i dont want to install a lot of crap to do this) |
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| 09:50.46 | beardy | !using bittorrent |
| 09:50.47 | dpkg | apt-get install bittorrent; cd /somewhere/big; wget _torrentURL_; btlaunchmanycurses . |
| 09:50.54 | nekostar | arg |
| 09:50.56 | nekostar | please how about a little help here >_< |
| 09:51.11 | beardy | henk: (haven't tried it myself though) |
| 09:51.21 | nekostar | i need to know the gui version of editing /etc/network/interface or whatever that thing is |
| 09:51.26 | nekostar | i cant figure out the manuals |
| 09:51.27 | beardy | nekostar: Just ask. |
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| 09:51.55 | nekostar | what package can i install to config these things gui style till i can mange to learn more please? |
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| 09:52.01 | valdyn | nekostar: try running etherconf |
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| 09:52.33 | nekostar | nothing there valdyn |
| 09:52.41 | valdyn | nekostar: so? |
| 09:52.47 | nekostar | i put in network-console-config but that command doesnt do anything either |
| 09:53.02 | valdyn | nekostar: why dont you install etherconf then? |
| 09:53.25 | beardy | nekostar: Have you found the manpage? 'man 5 interfaces' The best way really is to learn how to do it. Perhaps you could ask a more specific question, what you are trying to configure, and perhaps someone will help you. |
| 09:53.30 | nekostar | doing |
| 09:53.37 | valdyn | !whine |
| 09:53.37 | dpkg | it has been said that whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 09:53.46 | nekostar | heh |
| 09:53.51 | henk | beardy, ok thanx i'll give it a try |
| 09:53.52 | nekostar | i wasnt too lazy to read |
| 09:54.00 | nekostar | i just dont understand those things sometimes.. |
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| 09:54.45 | valdyn | nekostar: sure, network terminology wants to be learned first |
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| 09:55.14 | valdyn | nekostar: though nonetheless, all this is in the faq, so dpkg is right ) |
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| 09:55.35 | beardy | henk: also /msg dpkg rtorrent, but it's unofficial unstable packages and/or source it seems. |
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| 09:56.29 | nekostar | i just dont understand it but yeah im sure i will soonish |
| 09:56.33 | henk | beardy, this is working jsut fine thanx |
| 09:56.39 | nekostar | and yeah this package is the lifesaver here,, |
| 09:56.42 | nekostar | thanx |
| 09:58.51 | \usr\i686 | hey how do I configure x? I just done apt-get install x-window-system then dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system but no result. |
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| 09:59.01 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 09:59.01 | dpkg | set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 09:59.02 | beardy | !drxx \usr\i686 |
| 09:59.06 | dpkg | \usr\i686: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:59.53 | valdyn | \usr\i686: what kind of result are you not getting or are you expecting? |
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| 10:01.42 | \usr\i686 | I get failed to load the NVIDIA MODULE |
| 10:01.58 | valdyn | \usr\i686: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 10:01.59 | \usr\i686 | NVIDIA kernel module |
| 10:02.21 | valdyn | \usr\i686: dont invent things, is this a direct copy of the error message? |
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| 10:03.22 | \usr\i686 | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 10:03.50 | valdyn | \usr\i686: paste the full complete error message |
| 10:03.56 | tarzeau | what do i use to remove a grid from a graphic? |
| 10:04.17 | dimir | !nickometer \usr\i686 |
| 10:04.17 | dpkg | '\usr\i686' is 25.000% lame, dimir |
| 10:04.25 | valdyn | tarzeau: apply gaussian blur till its gone ? ;) |
| 10:04.32 | beardy | !drxx =~ s/hand,used/hand, or used/ |
| 10:04.32 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'hand,used', beardy |
| 10:04.36 | \usr\i686 | FATAL: module nvidia not found. |
| 10:04.46 | tarzeau | valdyn: i want to keep the graphic 3 colored (blue,green,black) |
| 10:04.59 | Phated | Paint over! |
| 10:05.24 | tarzeau | Phated: na there's is filters for it i know one in gimp, and another in a library, just don't recall their names |
| 10:05.25 | valdyn | \usr\i686: run: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 10:05.26 | beardy | !drxx foo =~ s/hand,used/hand, or used/ |
| 10:05.27 | dpkg | beardy: i didn't have anything called 'drxx foo' to modify |
| 10:06.10 | streuner | beardy: its a command (cmd) not a factoid... |
| 10:06.17 | streuner | beardy: infobot.org |
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| 10:06.58 | tarzeau | despeckle works, but the quality is bad |
| 10:07.14 | henk | Where do i find the kernel .config for the 'standard' debian kernel. I'm making a script that does some patching and stuff for my situation and i'd like to start out with a standard debian config any ideas where i might find it |
| 10:07.17 | valdyn | \usr\i686: just fyi, nvidia-glx is only the _userpace_ part of the nvidia X driver, not the kernel driver that is required too |
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| 10:07.30 | ma3x | hey! |
| 10:07.32 | ma3x | this is stupid |
| 10:07.34 | ma3x | how can I watch FTV TV? |
| 10:07.37 | ma3x | it says it's for windows mp 10 only |
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| 10:07.54 | \usr\i686 | then what? |
| 10:07.59 | valdyn | ma3x: are we supposed to know what FTV TV is ? |
| 10:08.20 | ma3x | valdyn, yes FASHION TV ftv.com |
| 10:08.22 | valdyn | \usr\i686: did you run above commands? |
| 10:08.34 | \usr\i686 | yes |
| 10:08.48 | Beleys | re |
| 10:08.53 | valdyn | \usr\i686: run 'modprobe nvidia', then 'dmesg' and look at the last line(s) |
| 10:09.36 | \usr\i686 | k |
| 10:09.44 | ma3x | how can i watch tv online? |
| 10:09.47 | ma3x | what site? |
| 10:10.06 | valdyn | ma3x: that is not a debian question |
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| 10:10.12 | dethwish | hello everyone |
| 10:10.29 | jm_ | henk: ls /boot |
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| 10:10.59 | tarzeau | kingsley: how did you produce the graph? gnuplot? if so how did you make it smooth? |
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| 10:11.23 | henk | jm_ i forgot to mention it's not on a box that has a debian stock kernel installed, I was looking for a download location maybe |
| 10:11.43 | jm_ | henk: it's in kernel image packages |
| 10:11.52 | henk | jm_ ok |
| 10:11.58 | valdyn | ma3x: what exactly isnt working for your on ftv.com, ? |
| 10:12.43 | dethwish | what's the best why to manage 'services' ? |
| 10:12.50 | beardy | streuner: Yeah, thanks. Is cmd available in infobot though? |
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| 10:13.06 | valdyn | ma3x: this is one of the worst flash - infested sites I've seen for a while. |
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| 10:13.38 | ma3x | valdyn, when you click on the live tv in the middle, it doesnt start |
| 10:13.51 | ma3x | it says You will need windows media player 10 to see the movie. Download here. |
| 10:14.01 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 10:14.33 | ma3x | valdyn, I have flash |
| 10:14.50 | valdyn | ma3x: maybe you need w32codecs, got those? |
| 10:14.50 | ma3x | but the TV live is not playing |
| 10:14.56 | possie | i have a java application that give some screen output, now i don't want to install X on that machine, how a i able to still get that screen output of that java application? i thought about X11 forwarding, but then i would stil need the X libs right? |
| 10:14.57 | ma3x | valdyn, yeah I got those too |
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| 10:15.15 | ma3x | valdyn, can you view the TV live? or just that clip at the beginning? |
| 10:15.26 | ma3x | do you see where it says ftv live 24/7 ? |
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| 10:15.41 | valdyn | ma3x: tell me the precise link or what to click on |
| 10:16.11 | ma3x | http://www.ftv.tv/ireds3/page.php?P=391 |
| 10:17.05 | valdyn | ma3x: found it, yea you are right, you need IE for that, not just windows media player |
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| 10:17.46 | ma3x | valdyn, yeah. eventually I would have to boot in win. But otherwise won't bother installing wine and IE |
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| 10:18.02 | valdyn | ma3x: i bet they try to use DRM on that video |
| 10:18.25 | Guerin | ftv == fucktardTV? |
| 10:18.33 | valdyn | Guerin: yea! |
| 10:18.47 | streuner | heh |
| 10:19.03 | Guerin | oh god |
| 10:19.06 | Guerin | fashTV |
| 10:19.08 | Guerin | even worse |
| 10:19.12 | valdyn | ftp - because running 4 flash apps at once isnt enough |
| 10:19.15 | valdyn | ftv - because running 4 flash apps at once isnt enough |
| 10:19.20 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:19.37 | ma3x | haha |
| 10:19.48 | ma3x | Guerin, is there any way to watch tv online? |
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| 10:20.18 | Guerin | ma3x: sure. Get a TV tuner. |
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| 10:20.51 | ma3x | Guerin, and then? do I need antena? or is it going via some web? |
| 10:20.54 | Guerin | ma3x: there are some tv feeds on the intarwebz, but they are almost all windows-only, using braindead proprietary protocols like sop |
| 10:21.30 | clars | ma3x, you dont meed a tvTuner if you wanna see streamTv |
| 10:21.30 | Guerin | i found one which was mostly mms, though, and mms is fairly tolerably supported in free software, despite being MS proprietary shite |
| 10:21.51 | ma3x | clars, yeah i wanna see streamtv |
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| 10:22.44 | clars | ma3x, hang on - I gonna try to see where it is |
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| 10:24.09 | va | I have sarge installed. How do i get back to that dialog that allowed me to add apt sources during the installation? |
| 10:24.19 | valdyn | va: run apt-setup |
| 10:24.39 | va | thanks |
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| 10:25.33 | robin_sz | is there a bulk mail package for debian that will read an address list from a CSV file and just get on with it?? |
| 10:25.37 | ma3x | clars? |
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| 10:25.47 | robin_sz | clars? |
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| 10:26.36 | robin_sz | don;t seem to have that in my package list, is it a contrib? |
| 10:26.38 | npx | hi |
| 10:28.54 | dethwish | what are some programs = or better then service' |
| 10:29.03 | aethera | arg |
| 10:29.08 | aethera | stupid microsoft 2003 box |
| 10:29.12 | valdyn | dethwish: 'service' ? |
| 10:29.16 | aethera | does not want to install reporting services |
| 10:29.25 | dethwish | what are some programs = or better then service and chkconfig ' those are from my RH days' |
| 10:29.39 | valdyn | dethwish: what do thos things do? |
| 10:29.41 | Guerin | !services |
| 10:29.41 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 10:30.05 | clars | ma3x, http://www.streamtv.dk/ is the only thing I can find, but nothing on english spoke sites |
| 10:30.49 | dethwish | I'm learning debian i've migrated from rpm |
| 10:31.15 | dethwish | so those are optimize tools |
| 10:32.25 | npx | what do those programs do? |
| 10:32.28 | npx | dethwish |
| 10:32.35 | dethwish | dpkg 'correct those are rpm ways' |
| 10:32.35 | dpkg | dethwish: okay |
| 10:32.37 | dethwish | yes |
| 10:32.56 | npx | What does chkconfig do? |
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| 10:33.32 | dethwish | chkconfig version 1.3.5 - Copyright (C) 1997-2000 Red Hat, Inc. |
| 10:33.34 | dethwish | This may be freely redistributed under the terms of the GNU Public License. |
| 10:33.42 | dethwish | usage: chkconfig --list [name] |
| 10:33.43 | Tchiak | hhmm the address that dpkg spits out for nvidia-howto doesn't work |
| 10:33.43 | dethwish | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.43 | dethwish | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.43 | dethwish | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.48 | dethwish | old |
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| 10:33.59 | sussudio | !tell dethwish about flood |
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| 10:34.03 | valdyn | Tchiak: what do you want to do? |
| 10:34.12 | dethwish | i've use top |
| 10:34.16 | robin_sz | so ... bulk mail packages for debain?? clues? |
| 10:34.24 | valdyn | robin_sz: spamassassin |
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| 10:34.40 | robin_sz | valdyn, no thats for spam checking .. I want to send mail |
| 10:34.43 | npx | dethwish, I suggest familiarizing yourself with the way services are actually organized on the filesystem. The scripts themselves are in /etc/init.d and symlinked in /etc/rc?.d (runlevel 2 is default) |
| 10:34.50 | Tchiak | i'm trying to do the nvidia oneline |
| 10:34.54 | Tchiak | but not having much success |
| 10:35.27 | liable | rissoles.. |
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| 10:35.40 | valdyn | robin_sz: i think what you are trying to do can easily be done in a one-line script |
| 10:35.49 | dethwish | npx, I understand where everything is |
| 10:36.11 | dethwish | & how it's logical o\compared to RPM |
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| 10:36.45 | robin_sz | valdyn, I suspect not. |
| 10:37.08 | mawar | hai yg merasa cakep |
| 10:37.29 | npx | dethwish, I always found it easier to just manipulate the scripts directly than to use extra tools |
| 10:37.30 | robin_sz | what is needed I guess is an Open Source version of robomai |
| 10:37.46 | dethwish | those two tools listed and configured all you had installed |
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| 10:38.02 | dethwish | instead of one at a time |
| 10:38.42 | wall_unit | Hi, is there a way to make an auto-growing encryptet loopback-file? |
| 10:38.54 | Tchiak | where can i get the GLcore module? |
| 10:39.09 | Tchiak | and how can i find out the busid of the videocard? |
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| 10:39.46 | dethwish | look to see all that running instead of #d /etc/init.d/ ; ./service start or restart |
| 10:40.03 | valdyn | robin_sz: why dont you tell us what exactly you trying to do? |
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| 10:40.21 | liable | Tchiak: you dont need to enter it if its the only card in an x86 |
| 10:40.28 | robin_sz | send around 8000 emails, log the status in a db etc |
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| 10:40.41 | johhny_b | are there anymore apps like MPD and giFT, ? server daemons with client GUIs? anyone? |
| 10:40.44 | Tchiak | i have a ATI all in wonder |
| 10:40.51 | valdyn | robin_sz: identical mails to different people? |
| 10:40.53 | Tchiak | and a nvidia geforce6200 in it |
| 10:41.22 | robin_sz | valdyn, mostly identical, some variable substitution would be nice, but identical will be acceptable |
| 10:41.29 | liable | Tchiak: lspci then |
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| 10:41.55 | robin_sz | Robomail is good for this, but not open source |
| 10:42.01 | Knight_Lord | Is there any tool for NFS that can tell me which users are using my NFS server at the moment? Or at least which hosts? |
| 10:42.13 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord, netstat? |
| 10:42.36 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz and any way to know which files they are reading/writing? |
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| 10:42.47 | robin_sz | not with netstat |
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| 10:42.55 | fireba11 | iostat |
| 10:42.55 | Tchiak | i got the pci it's 0000:01:00.0 |
| 10:42.55 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz and netstat is not exactly easy to decipher |
| 10:42.59 | Tchiak | but it's not accepting that |
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| 10:44.12 | dethwish | npx , do you use all of debain's pkg-man ? ex. apt, dpkg, dselect.... |
| 10:44.26 | robin_sz | netstat -tupan | grep <whatewver port NFS uses> |
| 10:44.35 | liable | Tchiak: try PCI:1:0:0 |
| 10:44.45 | npx | I use apt and dpkg (not dselect) |
| 10:44.46 | robin_sz | perldoc Mime::Lite |
| 10:44.49 | robin_sz | oops ww |
| 10:45.03 | Tchiak | i already tried that but it said no card existed there |
| 10:45.06 | Tchiak | -_0 |
| 10:45.09 | Tchiak | -_- |
| 10:45.14 | npx | I tend to use Debian's packages for just about everything, and if I can't get a debian package for a given application I isntall it in ~/apps/ |
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| 10:45.25 | golab | hi |
| 10:45.28 | golab | i need best news reader for linux console |
| 10:45.29 | dethwish | so you use synaptic? |
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| 10:45.38 | npx | Nah, I use apt-cache search and apt-get install |
| 10:45.45 | golab | aanybody help? |
| 10:45.49 | npx | I rarely sit in front of my Debian box, I mostly manage it via ssh. |
| 10:46.22 | Tchiak | ok the system restard |
| 10:46.29 | Tchiak | restarted x started up |
| 10:46.33 | Tchiak | but everything is really dark |
| 10:46.33 | sewi | hello, I remove some packages but if I type "dpkg -l", I get that rc files are present. I know that I could remove them with "apt-get remove --purge", but it does not work if the packages are already removed with only "apt-get remove". Any idea how to remove these rc files? |
| 10:46.44 | dethwish | i haven't tryied them yet, just as easy as apt-get ? |
| 10:47.13 | npx | I imagine so, it's just an apt-get front-end with a GUI for package selection isn't it? |
| 10:47.15 | mtnman | sewi: man update-rc.d |
| 10:47.53 | valdyn | robin_sz: your local mailer will log whats sent. 'while read ad; do mail -s subject $ad < mailfile; done < adresslist' |
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| 10:49.09 | Tchiak | liable any ideas? |
| 10:49.29 | liable | Tchiak: nup. sorry. |
| 10:49.37 | Tchiak | x starts up now |
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| 10:49.42 | Tchiak | but it made everything really dark |
| 10:49.49 | Tchiak | and console is dark to if i drop down to command line |
| 10:49.52 | Tchiak | that's all really dark too |
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| 10:50.30 | metaperl | I need to make some perfect copies of some CDs... nothing lossy like I normally get with Grip to ogg... any suggestions for how to do this? |
| 10:50.47 | npx | metaperl, flac |
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| 10:50.58 | npx | It's lossless and has fairly decent compression |
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| 10:51.09 | metaperl | npx: i see ... does Grip do FLAC? |
| 10:51.24 | npx | I'm not sure. I recall the command line tools being pretty simple, though |
| 10:51.31 | Duelist | metaperl: Grip can be made to do FLAC, yes |
| 10:51.38 | metaperl | I see |
| 10:51.41 | metaperl | ok |
| 10:51.42 | metaperl | thanks guys |
| 10:51.44 | Duelist | you will want to tell it a bitrate of around 900 to get somewhat accurate progress bars |
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| 10:52.04 | Duelist | that is what it keys the progress bar off of, if you ask me that is a really ugly hack |
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| 10:52.59 | dethwish | npx do you use any bluetooth? |
| 10:53.04 | npx | Nope |
| 10:53.10 | npx | I love wires |
| 10:53.19 | sewi | mtnman: I'm just reading the man update-rc.d and see that it can only manage /etc/rcrunlevel.d/ files. So I don't thing if it remove rc files from somewherre else than /etc/rc*.d/ directory? |
| 10:53.42 | npx | Need to strangle someone? there's enough slack in the cat5 to lynch half the neighborhood and still decorate the christmas tree |
| 10:53.50 | metaperl | i have grip up... I dont see where to set the bitrate for the progress bar |
| 10:54.13 | mtnman | sewi: that is what i thought you had asked about |
| 10:54.35 | valdyn | sewi: both 'rc' are referring to completely different things |
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| 10:55.36 | dethwish | I've got a closet full of all type of cables, 'I bet most non-windows users to too' |
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| 10:55.54 | valdyn | sewi: have you tried 'dpkg --purge <package>' ? |
| 10:56.35 | sewi | mtnman: misunderstanding then |
| 10:56.52 | sewi | valdyn: I |
| 10:57.05 | dethwish | npx U like the dist the best? |
| 10:57.06 | sewi | valdyn: I will try this |
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| 10:57.40 | valdyn | metaperl: a BITRATE for lessless compression? |
| 10:58.10 | metaperl | valdyn: no, just for the progress bar |
| 10:58.26 | sewi | valdyn: thanks a lot, this is what I needed. |
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| 10:59.54 | botsy | anybosy use openldap ... |
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| 11:00.39 | botsy | i have a probleme when i want to add my ldiff files with ldapadd .. it say ldapadd: no DN specified ... |
| 11:02.05 | botsy | but i have inform the rootdn in sladp.conf ... |
| 11:02.30 | litage | is it possible to redirect an echo to a running process? |
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| 11:03.43 | dethwish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:05.38 | metaperl | When attempting to encode using FLAC with Grip, I am told "Invalid Encoder Executable" --- I just installed libflac7 ... do I need to install somethign else? restart Grip? |
| 11:05.54 | resiak | metaperl: Install flac as well? |
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| 11:07.00 | scatterhead | botsy: do you have a dn line for every entry in the ldif file? |
| 11:07.26 | dethwish | metaperl have you tied Audacity |
| 11:07.30 | Tchiak | got X working now with the nvidia |
| 11:07.37 | Tchiak | had to use nvidia's drivers off their website |
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| 11:07.38 | Tchiak | -_- |
| 11:07.43 | Tchiak | the other way wasen't working at all |
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| 11:08.33 | dethwish | best audio converter / editing / recording that i've used |
| 11:08.54 | resiak | dethwish: Erm, Audacity isn't a CD ripper... |
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| 11:09.47 | resiak | dethwish: Even if it _can_ rip CDs, it's overkill |
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| 11:11.08 | botsy | scatterhead, yes i have |
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| 11:13.50 | metaperl | I'm giving Ripperx a try right now... I found it while searching for flac with apt-cache |
| 11:14.25 | metaperl | Grip doesn't support the documented %t feature in the encoded filename to put the track number in the file name of the ripped track.. i hope ripperx does |
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| 11:14.40 | botsy | scatterhead, it's good i have found |
| 11:14.48 | sture | hi.. what'd be the simplest way of having a functioning 'mail' command (for sending external, non-local emails), without installing a lot unused packages and running a daemon? |
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| 11:14.56 | azeem | metaperl: did you try sound-juicer? |
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| 11:15.09 | resiak | metaperl: sound-juicer, goobox |
| 11:15.13 | scatterhead | botsy: great |
| 11:15.15 | MRbsd | hi all |
| 11:15.21 | metaperl | sture: my debian came with something like that setup... |
| 11:15.37 | metaperl | sture: maybe smail, sendmail, exim... not sure about the last |
| 11:15.48 | sture | hm, alrighty |
| 11:16.03 | petemc | sture: nullmailer |
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| 11:16.25 | metaperl | hmm, I will try those some other time (sound-juicer, goobox). |
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| 11:18.35 | antgel | just reading a mail on debian-security. on one of our machines, chkrootkit outputs nothing bad. however, /usr/lib/chkrootkit/chkproc -v reports You have 13 process hidden for readdir command. You have 13 process hidden for ps command. has it been rooted? |
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| 11:19.42 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 11:20.16 | gypsymauro | I've a problem with dpkg-scansources, if I run dpkg-scansources ./ | gzip > Sources.gz, I get Prototype mismatch: sub main::getopt: none vs (@) at /usr/bin/dpkg-scansources line 116. |
| 11:20.20 | gypsymauro | it's a bug? |
| 11:21.04 | robin_sz | valdyn, Ifair enought hen, I just fire em out through Qmail then ... seems to be zippien the mails out at around 100 a second, which is fast enough I guess |
| 11:21.06 | azeem | gypsymauro: you need to pass it an override file |
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| 11:21.40 | poncha|work | how is it possible to get disk usage of ramdrive? df does not list ramfs and running du is too much time consuming :( |
| 11:21.43 | azeem | gypsymauro: eh, or maybe not |
| 11:22.15 | gypsymauro | azeem: not:) or btw passing /dev/null (as in dpkg-scanpackages) doesn't works |
| 11:22.40 | possie | i have a java application that give some screen output, now i don't want to install X on that machine, how a i able to still get that screen output of that java application? i thought about X11 forwarding, but then i would stil need the X libs right? |
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| 11:24.09 | azeem | gypsymauro: well, works here |
| 11:24.14 | azeem | buildd@beethoven:~/build/tmp$ dpkg-scansources . /dev/null |
| 11:24.14 | azeem | Format: 1.0 |
| 11:24.14 | azeem | Package: epic4 |
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| 11:24.22 | azeem | [...9 |
| 11:24.26 | azeem | eh, [...] |
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| 11:24.43 | liable | antgel: whats the mail url? |
| 11:24.59 | antgel | liable: eh? |
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| 11:25.15 | antgel | liable: ah, 1 sec |
| 11:25.17 | gypsymauro | azeem: I'm using sarge |
| 11:25.49 | mrtwister | hello.. i installed debian-etch (testing), network install. all ok,. but i do not know one thing. it is server install, so text console, do not have aptitude. i want testing (almost stable system) but i need also mysql5 and php5. how i can set priorities to kept system in testing repository, except necessary packages, to support php5, mysql5? thanks |
| 11:25.55 | antgel | liable: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/11/msg00128.html |
| 11:26.35 | liable | antgel: thanks |
| 11:27.10 | antgel | liable: what i don't get is that to hide processes, ps needs to be modified, and chkrootkit reports ps is okay |
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| 11:28.15 | azeem | gypsymauro: hrm |
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| 11:28.49 | valdyn | antgel: chkrootkit used to report this wrongly on 2.6 kernels |
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| 11:29.29 | azeem | gypsymauro: fascinating |
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| 11:31.00 | antgel | valdyn: hmm. used to? if i ls -l in the /proc/<dodgy>, i get things like exe -> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin and exe -> /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postgres. nothing too threatening afaics. |
| 11:31.12 | valdyn | poncha|work: try df -a |
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| 11:31.22 | valdyn | antgel: i dont use it regularily, so i dont know if its fixed or not |
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| 11:31.42 | antgel | doh! the processes are not hidden to ps! <relief> thanks anyway valdyn, liable |
| 11:31.56 | patheticgeek | err... anyone using x11vnc? |
| 11:32.06 | HPS`Fresh | tell me, how can i limit memory usage for the proces? |
| 11:32.31 | antgel | actually, scrap my last comment |
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| 11:33.16 | poncha|work | valdyn, yup, now it shows it... but usage shown is always 0 :/ |
| 11:33.26 | poncha|work | maybe because it's not on hdd ? |
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| 11:33.57 | valdyn | poncha|work: or maybe because less than 1 block is used |
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| 11:34.05 | poncha|work | not possible |
| 11:34.12 | poncha|work | i've put there a 50M file |
| 11:34.16 | antgel | valdyn: here's a fact. e.g. 30238 is hidden according to chkrootkit. ps ax |grep 30238 reveals nothing. however, i *can* chdir to /proc/30238. |
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| 11:34.26 | kryl | hi |
| 11:34.46 | poncha|work | valdyn, or, what is blocksize on ramfs? :)) |
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| 11:34.56 | kryl | I want to add a module to the debian netboot.tar.gz debian pxe method |
| 11:35.05 | kryl | anyone can help me about that please ? |
| 11:35.05 | valdyn | poncha|work: df tells you which blocksize df uses |
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| 11:35.24 | AoA | hello. I have problem. I cannot set permission . for example I create some file from root and than I set permission chmod 000 and than I just delete file from user |
| 11:35.36 | natoka | i don't suppose that there's someone out here, who knows how to configure a stonith device for heartbeat 2.0 in xml ? |
| 11:35.37 | gypsymauro | azeem: :) |
| 11:35.40 | gypsymauro | c u |
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| 11:35.41 | poncha|work | valdyn, it's 1k-blocks , and i have 0 of them on ramfs mountpoint whilst there is a 50M file there :) |
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| 11:37.33 | valdyn | antgel: not sure you understood me the right way: chkrootkit used to report problems where none were for 2.6 kernels |
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| 11:40.07 | abbgkde | hi nice to meet you all. I just isntalled debian and i kept getting a "i8256 too high" message |
| 11:40.09 | abbgkde | what does this mean? |
| 11:40.29 | azeem | where did you get that message? |
| 11:41.13 | abbgkde | as i was going through the configuration at the begining |
| 11:41.21 | abbgkde | where i was asked to set my password |
| 11:41.28 | abbgkde | and from there on i kept getting the message |
| 11:41.48 | antgel | valdyn: what i don't get is that the process is in /proc/ but not in ps. is that normal? |
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| 11:43.02 | valdyn | antgel: i dont know, my ps counts 158 processes / 407 threads, gkrellm shows 234 processes |
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| 11:43.14 | mjk64 | When I chroot to an LVM-volume, how can I access (read-only) the LVM device from inside the chroot environment? /dev/vg01/lv01 doesn't exist (though "lvscan" lists it), and there is no /dev/mapper/vg01-lv01 (only .../control). |
| 11:43.55 | LostNoobs | How can I put static rules on spamassassin ? not learn rules |
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| 11:44.36 | plbgnr | hello, is it possible to find out which man pages were installed with specific package? |
| 11:44.44 | jm_ | of course |
| 11:44.59 | mjk64 | plbgnr: dpkg -L <pkgname>|grep man |
| 11:45.06 | denomadic | plbgnr: what about using dpkg -L ? |
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| 11:45.46 | valdyn | antgel: one process at least wont show in both though |
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| 11:45.58 | valdyn | antgel: since running ls is a process / running ps is a process |
| 11:45.59 | plbgnr | mjk64:thanks |
| 11:46.56 | mkl1525 | Hi, I want to change the owner of each hidden file in directory abc, how can I do this? |
| 11:47.33 | mjk64 | mkl1525: How are the files hidden? Do they start with a '.'? |
| 11:47.40 | antgel | valdyn: i'm talking about many processes, which have directories in /proc but can't be seen from ps. just compiled latest chkrootkit from source, no difference |
| 11:47.41 | denomadic | mkl1525: try chown -R <username>[:<groupname>] <path> |
| 11:47.55 | mkl1525 | mjk64, yes |
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| 11:48.04 | botsy | do you know if it's possible to look if ldap database is erase ? |
| 11:48.33 | mkl1525 | denomadic, problem is, that chown -R user abc just changes the non hidden files |
| 11:48.35 | mjk64 | mkl1525: find -iname '.??*' -print0 | xargs -0 chown <user>[:<group>] |
| 11:48.54 | denomadic | botsy: How do you mean erase? |
| 11:49.05 | eliteforce | ahm is openoffice2 available in debian testing? |
| 11:49.06 | mjk64 | mkl1525: It's a hack, because all files called '.?' will not match. But those files are rare. :-) |
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| 11:49.52 | mjk64 | mkl1525: Or if it's really only files, not directories, then you can do: find -iname '.*' ! -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chown <user>[:<group>] |
| 11:49.52 | mkl1525 | mjk64, or is there a simple command to change owner of all (hidden + non hidden) files in a sub directory -R seems not to do this? |
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| 11:50.00 | denomadic | mkl1525: Sorry, my eye's skipped the "hidden" in your question. find and xargs are the way to go. |
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| 11:50.36 | fpitt_ | Good morning |
| 11:50.44 | mkl1525 | thanks for the suggestions will try it! |
| 11:51.47 | antgel | valdyn: do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:51.47 | mjk64 | mkl1525: This should be perfect: find -iname '.*' ! -name . ! -name .. -print0 | xargs -0 chown <user>[:<group>] |
| 11:51.55 | botsy | denomadic, i want to verify if with ldapdelete it was deleted my database .... you don't know if they are a command for list all database in ldap... |
| 11:52.28 | mjk64 | mkl1525: And optionally "-type d" (only dirs) or "! -type d" (no dirs), as you like. (But -print0 must come last) |
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| 11:54.43 | denomadic | botsy: I would probably try `ldapsearch` if slapd was still running, or else kill slapd and try slapcat and then grep for the entries you want to check. Can't think of a simpler way OTTOMH. |
| 11:55.11 | eliteforce | ahm is openoffice2 available in debian testing? |
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| 11:55.54 | denomadic | mjk64: fresh of poached? |
| 11:56.07 | mjk64 | denomadic: fresh, of course. |
| 11:56.24 | denomadic | mjk64: Hmmmm... Trout...... |
| 11:56.47 | keith80403 | mkl1525, If it hasn't been mentioned, you should run the find/xargs/chmod command as superuser (root) otherwise the commands won't work on the files that the user doesn't own. |
| 11:57.06 | botsy | denomadic, i go to use webmin for ldap it's more easy ... |
| 11:57.44 | mkl1525 | keith80403, I know, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 11:59.57 | keith80403 | mkl1525, I hesitated to mention it, but, one never knows. Good luck. |
| 12:00.32 | mjk64 | denomadic: Get surströmming instead. ;-) |
| 12:01.29 | denomadic | botsy: Never really used webmin in production, I heard too many stories of it borking config files due to bad parsers. There are a few other LDAP local or web front ends (eg. http://edsadmin.sourceforge.net/) that I've hear are pretty good, but I generally use the console for server admin -- I find it soothing ;-) |
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| 12:02.28 | denomadic | mjk64: ?? Not come across "surströmming" before, is it like gravadlax? (spelling)? |
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| 12:03.08 | mjk64 | denomadic: It's like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming (Okay, I've never tried it, only heard about it) |
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| 12:04.25 | prock | can someone please help me with the 'at' command... I run 'at 7:05' and then type in 'touch /tmp/its_705' and ^D but at 705 my there's no /tmp/its_705 file |
| 12:05.24 | denomadic | mjk64: Nice! I'm a big fan of rollmops and bismark herring etc. In fact my neighbour is Swedish, and she's always handing over home made herring stuff, so I've probably had it without realising :-) |
| 12:05.27 | petemc | prock: try echo "touch /tmp/its_705" | at... |
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| 12:06.19 | mjk64 | denomadic: Hehe =) |
| 12:06.19 | Koetje | hi all is this the support channel? |
| 12:06.44 | streuner | Koetje: /topic |
| 12:06.46 | ramiro-paraguay | this is the debian-channel |
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| 12:06.58 | streuner | Koetje: if you run debian, just ask. |
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| 12:07.15 | denomadic | prock: Do you have `at` permissions? Does debian even use at.[allow|deny], I can't remember (not infront of a server ATM) as I've been mixing my debian and FreeBSD lately, and it's all getting too confusing ;-) |
| 12:07.16 | brosioz | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 12:07.17 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.17 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.24 | brosioz | i get this |
| 12:07.29 | brosioz | after the update |
| 12:07.34 | brosioz | this morning |
| 12:07.38 | brosioz | with debian unstable |
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| 12:07.43 | brosioz | how can i resolve ? |
| 12:07.53 | streuner | brosioz: depends aren't satisfied |
| 12:07.59 | prock | denomadic, petemc: it works for root but not for regular users... and I have a /etc/at.deny file (said username is _not_ in this file), and no /etc/at.allow file |
| 12:08.07 | Koetje | okay off course i run DEbian :) but there seems to be a mayor bug in the apt-get dependencies between KDELIBS4C2 and KDELIBS4C2A .... |
| 12:08.08 | streuner | brosioz: try 'apt-get install <pkg> |
| 12:08.09 | mjk64 | *lol* (About Surströmming, rotten fish, a Swedish delicacy) [translated from German Wikipedia:] "The foul odor of surströmming has made unsuspecting foreigners in Sweden call the police, fearing that their neighbor has deceased" |
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| 12:08.25 | streuner | brosioz: or/and the system wants to install _new_ packages |
| 12:08.26 | Koetje | If you go from stable to unstable distro |
| 12:08.45 | redguy|work | hi, does anyone happen to know what should be done for a regular user to use useradd? |
| 12:08.55 | streuner | brosioz: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:08.56 | brosioz | but dist-upgrade |
| 12:08.57 | jm_ | redguy|work: sudo |
| 12:08.59 | Koetje | My KDE totally deinstalled and its in a loop when you wanna reinstall it |
| 12:09.06 | brosioz | don't resolve anything |
| 12:09.08 | streuner | Koetje: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:09.18 | jm_ | sid++ |
| 12:09.23 | redguy|work | jm_: hrm, isn't there any other way? like adding the user to some group? |
| 12:09.28 | streuner | brosioz: read the factoid (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 12:09.30 | jm_ | redguy|work: no |
| 12:09.31 | cap | Does anyone utilize sudo automagically for apt-get/aptitude? |
| 12:09.39 | denomadic | prock: Hmmm, what about writting a small script, and calling that from `at` instead? That way you could add some debugging code/messages and maybe work out where the problem is. |
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| 12:11.01 | Koetje | Tx for the reply but there is a lot of usefull info in there i already knew .... But nothing about this specific problem ??? |
| 12:11.29 | streuner | Koetje: damn, you are a fast reader :-) |
| 12:11.42 | denomadic | mjk64: Eurgh! I had a deceased neighbour once -- not a nice thing... |
| 12:12.01 | Koetje | I knew that page .... i'm using Debian for 6 years now .. its not that i'm n00b or anything |
| 12:12.13 | mjk64 | denomadic: Was the odor comparable to anything your Swedish neighbor offered you? |
| 12:12.26 | redguy|work | jm_: i'm asking this because I'm trying to deploy a samba pdc in my network. the problem i'm facing is that currently i cannot add users from clients with the add user script set to 'useradd -m %u'. the logs say that useradd returned 1. |
| 12:12.27 | streuner | Koetje: ok, you should know what's the procedure is in debian then |
| 12:12.31 | brosioz | but how is possible that they don't check the libs before do the upgrade of a package ? |
| 12:12.52 | brosioz | so for example to install new kopete i have to remove k3b and many programs |
| 12:13.03 | streuner | brosioz: of course, that's whats the output is for... |
| 12:13.04 | brosioz | it's stupid :\ |
| 12:13.06 | redguy|work | jm_: is sudo in such a situation recommended? |
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| 12:13.24 | brosioz | anyway thx for help |
| 12:13.25 | Koetje | streuner there is already a bug out there so i just hoped that you guys knew of a mirror that had the problem fixed already |
| 12:13.34 | Koetje | I really need KDE on my laptop ... |
| 12:13.40 | jm_ | redguy|work: what does useradd say in such situations? |
| 12:13.43 | streuner | brosioz: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges help too |
| 12:13.43 | Koetje | and before i reinstall the thing |
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| 12:14.06 | streuner | Koetje: most mirrors are up-to-date... |
| 12:14.31 | streuner | Koetje: you have to wait till the bug is fixed or (better) you help to fix this bug |
| 12:14.32 | Koetje | okay tx streuner ... too bad ... i just reinstall it with stable ... bakcporting doesnt work either |
| 12:14.53 | redguy|work | jm_: well, if run from as the user who should be able to add smb users useradd says 'can't lock the password file' |
| 12:15.05 | Koetje | I would love to do some work with Debian but i just dont have the time ... i'm in about 3 web projects that takes about all my time |
| 12:15.39 | denomadic | mj64: Not nearly thank goodness -- the herring is normally much sweeter smelling, dill and onions etc. The old ex-neighbour was bad on a whole new level -- we were away for a month, and the last newspaper on his dormat was dated three weeks before we got home. Lets just say that the cops said his carpet would need to be replaced, and his cats were likely to be pshycologically scarred for life... |
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| 12:16.04 | Jack_Bauer | O RLY? |
| 12:16.10 | mjk64 | denomadic: :-))))))) *LOL* |
| 12:16.14 | mjk64 | l |
| 12:16.15 | mjk64 | jnh |
| 12:16.19 | wedgeV | i'm trying to install KDE on sid... but i get conflicts with kdelibs4c2 and kdelibs4c2a |
| 12:16.23 | Jack_Bauer | super-rofl |
| 12:16.30 | streuner | Koetje: did you check out BTS? |
| 12:16.33 | mjk64 | OMG :-) |
| 12:16.40 | Koetje | rofl weasel i just came with the same bug here |
| 12:16.42 | Koetje | :) |
| 12:16.46 | Jack_Bauer | sUpeR-R0fl |
| 12:16.54 | petemc | lolwtfbbq |
| 12:17.04 | jm_ | redguy|work: right, that's because it requires write access to it |
| 12:17.09 | mjk64 | pffffffffff ... laughing can be so exhausting. :-)) |
| 12:17.14 | Jack_Bauer | mega-lolz |
| 12:17.18 | streuner | hm, there is an easy way to solve this problem, just use something else |
| 12:17.43 | denomadic | Cheers, gotta go get lunch. I think I'll have a salad ;-) |
| 12:17.51 | mjk64 | denomadic: ;-) |
| 12:17.52 | streuner | apt-cache search window manager ;-) |
| 12:17.54 | Koetje | streuner i did already |
| 12:18.03 | mjk64 | denomadic: Insist on a *fresh* salad! |
| 12:18.14 | Jack_Bauer | apt-get super-roflz |
| 12:18.49 | mjk64 | When I chroot to an LVM-volume, how can I access (read-only) the LVM device from inside the chroot environment? /dev/vg01/lv01 doesn't exist (though "lvscan" lists it), and there is no /dev/mapper/vg01-lv01 (only .../control). |
| 12:18.56 | redguy|work | jm_: my mistake, the samba logs say that useradd is run with uid = 0... what gives? |
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| 12:19.31 | jm_ | redguy|work: strace it |
| 12:19.58 | redguy|work | jm_: hrmmmmm |
| 12:20.05 | Jack_Bauer | o rly? |
| 12:20.12 | redguy|work | jm_: will try to look into that... :-) |
| 12:20.18 | streuner | Koetje: personally i switched from GNOME to KDE and back, but because those desktop enviroments are such big often they break in unstable, i just use a window manager nowadays |
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| 12:21.52 | Koetje | the problem is that what they did was have kdelibs4c2a being a dependend for Arts and the rest of KDE being dependend on kdelibs4c2, |
| 12:21.57 | Koetje | and off course those conflict |
| 12:22.16 | Koetje | i mean they cannt be on the same system kdelibs4c2 and the a version |
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| 12:23.51 | streuner | Koetje: try #debian-kde - they should know better... |
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| 12:24.28 | Koetje | tx streuner i will |
| 12:25.02 | ne_____ | Is there a apt-get option to avoid most debconfig prompts ? |
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| 12:25.27 | streuner | ne__: '-y' ? |
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| 12:26.51 | ne_____ | streuner: no i mean debconf prompts |
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| 12:27.08 | caphuso | ne_____: no, but you can use "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" to change the setting |
| 12:27.34 | caphuso | and there are a couple of environment variables to change its begaviour, RTFM |
| 12:27.50 | ne_____ | caphuso yes a variable would be fine |
| 12:28.02 | ne_____ | caphuso DEBCONF_SOMETHING=dqsfsqf apt-get install blabla |
| 12:28.11 | caphuso | ne_____: yeah |
| 12:28.23 | ne_____ | caphuso do you have any idea where i could find the relevant doc ? |
| 12:28.32 | caphuso | ne_____: the man pages |
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| 12:28.59 | ne_____ | caphuso: too terse |
| 12:29.41 | caphuso | ne_____: then hire a consultant |
| 12:30.03 | petemc | and change your nick |
| 12:30.41 | ne_____ | petemc: ne is take and all _ verstion to my current nick |
| 12:31.26 | ne_____ | petemc: i used ne in 1995 on efnet i don't want to change |
| 12:31.40 | petemc | thats great |
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| 12:32.32 | Arsion | question. How do I setup ssh to only allow connections from certain IPs? |
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| 12:32.47 | streuner | Arsion: man sshd_config |
| 12:32.50 | jm_ | ssh uses libwrap, but it's better to use firewall |
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| 12:34.11 | streuner | there was a treat in d-s ML - you should read that too |
| 12:34.18 | mixter | hi! what is the max filesystem size of an ext3-fs? i've read both 4 TB and 32 TB... |
| 12:34.28 | ne_____ | Arsion: i think ssh honors /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 12:34.58 | Arsion | ne_____: how does one write in the hosts.allow file? |
| 12:35.13 | Arsion | ne_____: meaning, what syntax |
| 12:35.14 | SimonRaven | with an editor |
| 12:35.27 | ne_____ | Arsion: but the tcp connection will be accepted then closed, so you might prefer a iptable rule |
| 12:35.43 | ne_____ | Arsion: hosts.allow hosts.deny is documented in the man page |
| 12:36.24 | fireba11 | got a really stupid question .. got a virtual server with some imap running .. how the hell do i find out what imap program is running there ?? |
| 12:36.24 | ne_____ | Arsion: man hosts_access for the examples |
| 12:36.44 | SimonRaven | telnet |
| 12:36.52 | jm_ | mixter: /msg dpkg lfs |
| 12:37.06 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: talking to me ? |
| 12:37.12 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 12:37.23 | ANDAINzzzzz | hi |
| 12:37.23 | ANDAINzzzzz | ]i create a directory how can i prevent this directory to be acceceble by users i need it to be only for roo |
| 12:37.43 | ne_____ | fireba11: locally, lsof -n | grep TCP |
| 12:37.46 | Guerin | ANDAINzzzzz: man mkdir; man chown; man chmod |
| 12:37.48 | jm_ | ANDAINzzzzz: porn should be accessible to everyone! |
| 12:37.53 | ANDAINzzzzz | i do that |
| 12:38.05 | ANDAINzzzzz | but how to set permission only for root |
| 12:38.07 | jm_ | for even |
| 12:38.07 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: how ? loggin in to port 143 tells me only the version running .. not what program that is |
| 12:38.10 | Guerin | ANDAINzzzzz: man mkdir; man chown; man chmod |
| 12:38.30 | fireba11 | ne_____: i'm afraid lsof seems not to be installed .. |
| 12:38.30 | mixter | jm_: thanks! |
| 12:38.31 | Guerin | ANDAINzzzzz: you can also do info coreutils chown info coreutils chmod |
| 12:38.35 | SimonRaven | fireba11: it's a start |
| 12:38.47 | ANDAINzzzzz | what u mean |
| 12:39.07 | ne_____ | fireba11: ps fauxwww | grep imap |
| 12:39.14 | Guerin | ANDAINzzzzz: i mean "read the fucking documentation already" |
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| 12:39.24 | ramiro-paraguay | ow can i save my new network data on the system ? |
| 12:39.28 | ramiro-paraguay | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.50 | fireba11 | ne_____: that tells me \_ imapd ... ^^ |
| 12:39.56 | Guerin | ramiro-paraguay: man interfaces |
| 12:39.57 | tarzeau | someone's got krita installed? i'd like to have an image processed in iit... |
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| 12:40.05 | fireba11 | ne_____: so no real use |
| 12:40.14 | ramiro-paraguay | ok |
| 12:40.27 | SimonRaven | fireba11: sounds vaguely like cyrus |
| 12:40.34 | ne_____ | fireba11: grep imapd /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 12:40.36 | levander | Anybody has installed debian on a machine with an nvidia motherboard? Just wondering if the drivers are proprietary, like their video cards. |
| 12:40.37 | SimonRaven | fireba11: what's the version string you get? |
| 12:40.45 | tarzeau | levander: yes i do |
| 12:40.57 | Guerin | ne_____: most inefficient way EVAR |
| 12:41.04 | tarzeau | levander: the latest alsa works fine for the sound here (2.4.31/32) |
| 12:41.07 | Guerin | dpkg -l |grep imapd |
| 12:41.10 | dpkg | grep imapd |
| 12:41.15 | fireba11 | ne_____: ouch .. that showed it's uw-imapd |
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| 12:41.19 | ne_____ | Guerin: grep is faster |
| 12:41.21 | Guerin | dpkg: yes. |
| 12:41.21 | dpkg | from memory, yes. is it too early to make a package ? |
| 12:41.24 | tarzeau | levander: also the nic works ok (except for pxe it's unreliable) |
| 12:41.35 | levander | tarzeau: nothing special you had to do to get the motherboard working? |
| 12:41.38 | ne_____ | Guerin: the only probleme is the 128k limit for arguments |
| 12:41.39 | levander | tarzeau: what's pxe? |
| 12:41.47 | Guerin | ne_____: depends what you have in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 12:41.50 | tarzeau | levander: nothing special, when we use pxe, the interface only comes up in linux 50% |
| 12:42.02 | tarzeau | levander: for debian gnu/kfreebsd i can't use the nic nor the graphics card |
| 12:42.07 | tarzeau | levander: nor the sound |
| 12:42.16 | tarzeau | !pxe |
| 12:42.16 | dpkg | i heard pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 12:42.31 | fireba11 | okay .. at least now i know i'm running uw-imap .. now i think i should better change that ^^ lol |
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| 12:42.42 | levander | tarzeau: ah, thanks, i don't think i'll use pxe anyway, i never have in the paste |
| 12:42.43 | SimonRaven | um, yeh ;) |
| 12:43.11 | levander | tarzeau: you don't have to have pxe to awaken a machine from a "suspend" do you? you just need it to boot i assume? |
| 12:43.31 | tarzeau | levander: yes we use it to boot over the network |
| 12:43.42 | fireba11 | next question since i'm on it ... how to tell imap server-sided filters ? never tried that bevore and didn't find any how-to |
| 12:43.46 | levander | tarzeau: cool, thanks for the info |
| 12:43.51 | tarzeau | levander: you're welcome |
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| 12:46.03 | SimonRaven | fireba11: sieve? or other stuff? courier and cyrus have them. cyrus has sieve, courier has it's own sieve-like syntax |
| 12:46.35 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: so uw-imap is not only a security issue it's also dumb ? :-) |
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| 12:47.28 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 12:47.58 | fireba11 | okay .. should take the time to move to maildir and dovecot some time then ... |
| 12:48.00 | SimonRaven | i suppose it's fine if you only use basic functions, and is only accesable from the LAN, but yeh |
| 12:48.07 | SimonRaven | accessible* |
| 12:48.24 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: it's accessible from everywhere .. only via SSL though |
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| 12:49.22 | skip_ | I just delete my trusted.gpg file. How do I import the gpg keys for stable and testing? |
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| 12:51.05 | fireba11 | skip_: lol .. well done ^^ |
| 12:51.55 | skip_ | yes, so how do I recover? |
| 12:52.19 | SimonRaven | restore from backups |
| 12:52.37 | resiak | skip_: Do you mean /msg dpkg apt secure from the topic? |
| 12:53.06 | valdyn | skip_: apt-get will complain and show a signature, gpg --recv-keys <signature>, after that gpg -a --export <signature> | apt-key add - ( or without the syntax errors i might have made ) |
| 12:53.59 | skip_ | ok |
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| 12:56.15 | SimonRaven | you got it |
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| 12:56.24 | leumaS | sombeody told me I need to have more than 2Gb RAM to have any benefit of running a 64bit OS. is this true for the unofficial 64bit Sarge too or is it just for the Windows people? |
| 12:56.42 | valdyn | leumaS: it is wrong |
| 12:56.49 | fireba11 | leumaS: it's wrong anyway |
| 12:56.58 | Guerin | leumaS: the ability to address shitloads of ramm is one, but not the only, benefit of 64 bit |
| 12:57.22 | valdyn | leumaS: now that doesnt mean that YOU will benefit with any machine whatsoever running 64 bit debian |
| 12:57.27 | bibe | leumaS : what does the total amount of RAM has in common with the processor's calculation speed? |
| 12:57.48 | Guerin | bibe: what does bitness have to do with the cpu's calculation speed? |
| 12:58.04 | Guerin | bibe: i think you'll find the answer is roughly the same |
| 12:58.15 | fireba11 | Guerin: a lot if you need to handle long numbers .. ^^ |
| 12:58.39 | valdyn | just that a p4 can already do operations on 128(!) bit numbers |
| 12:58.41 | Guerin | fireba11: s/long numbers/lots of ram/ and you'll start to get my drift |
| 12:58.41 | bibe | Guerin : the ability to use large numbers, for instance |
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| 12:58.53 | Guerin | bibe: see above |
| 12:58.54 | fireba11 | Guerin: but usually it should not be much of a difference |
| 12:59.19 | fireba11 | bibe: true ... but that usually only makes a difference in some specific usually scientific tasks |
| 12:59.36 | Guerin | if he has to ask whether he needs 64bit, then he doesn't |
| 12:59.40 | leumaS | just cheking before I download the ISOs. (installing on amy parents computers that have only modem connection...) |
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| 12:59.45 | fireba11 | Guerin: true |
| 13:00.03 | Guerin | i think that's the heart of the matter. Not to say he won't benefit in some small way, or feel more 1337 for running it. |
| 13:00.14 | Guerin | hah |
| 13:00.15 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 13:00.19 | Guerin | irony of ironies |
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| 13:00.49 | Guerin | like a supercharged mustang with a 10 litre per day fuel ration |
| 13:00.57 | bibe | fireba11, Guerin : ok, my purpose was only to point out that the statement "I need to have more than 2Gb RAM to have any benefit of running a 64bit OS" doesn't make sense |
| 13:01.16 | leumaS | Ok I'll change my question... computer with Athlon64 but with only 512Mb RAM should I run 64bit or 32bit Debian? |
| 13:01.32 | jm_ | if you have to ask - 32bit |
| 13:01.44 | Guerin | bibe: some people claim that the only benefit of 64bit computing is addressing large amounts of ram. He was responding to that. It IS a salient point. |
| 13:02.12 | fireba11 | leumaS: 64-bit versions usually take up a couple % more space and also more ram .. if you got no real need for 64 go with 32 sicne it's less hazzle |
| 13:03.02 | Arsion | question, how good it this? http://olivier.sessink.nl/publications/blacklisting/index.html |
| 13:03.56 | Guerin | Arsion: ask the author |
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| 13:04.43 | Guerin | Arsion: looks relatively sane to me, but whether it works or not I can't be sure. |
| 13:05.56 | jelly | Arsion: i have something like that, but I only throttle them for a few minutes, then they can try again. |
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| 13:06.10 | mixter | how could i see whether my kernel ar compiled with config_lbd or not? |
| 13:06.42 | caphuso | mixter: grep CONFIG_LBD /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:06.47 | Guerin | jelly: out of curiosity, why? |
| 13:07.16 | mixter | caphuso: thanks! |
| 13:07.28 | jelly | Guerin: It could happen that a regular user hit the 4 tries/minute limit. |
| 13:08.29 | Tchiak | morning guerin |
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| 13:10.29 | jelly | Guerin: so if it's a ssh-scan attack, it gets 4 tries then it's stopped for a few minutes, slowing down the brute force attack quite a bit. A real user coming from a remote address will have a chance to try again. I'd rather not lock them out just because they're on vacation or something. |
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| 13:12.33 | Tenkawa | Whats the apt-get or dpkg flag to remove a single package regardless of dependencies "without" touching the other packages |
| 13:12.45 | jelly | hmm |
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| 13:13.09 | SimonRaven | Tenkawa: you wish |
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| 13:13.20 | Tenkawa | SimonRaven: heh |
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| 13:14.01 | Tenkawa | well what I did was localized a core package that if I dist-upgrade now at some point is going to be overwritten |
| 13:14.04 | Tenkawa | hheh |
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| 13:14.34 | jelly | Guerin: actually it seems that as long as an attacker keeps trying establishing news connections, he's getting dropped. The recipe uses ipt_recent module. |
| 13:14.42 | jelly | s/news/new/ |
| 13:14.53 | SimonRaven | jelly: i have iptables rules that permit a certain number of tries, then anything after that is dropped. plus another layer after that that adds the offending host to hosts.deny. Works For Me(tm) |
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| 13:15.36 | sewi | I have a question: how to change that mc opens pdf files with xpdf and not gpdf? where this default setting is located? |
| 13:15.36 | Tenkawa | does iptables have a tagged packet filter that would handle a mac address across routers or anything near that |
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| 13:15.39 | jelly | SimonRaven: I don't like the need to manually clear the offending source ips. |
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| 13:15.48 | Tchiak | if i see the activity i just update my router to block the ip |
| 13:15.49 | SimonRaven | Tenkawa: then you update yours, or you let the upgrade happen |
| 13:16.02 | Tenkawa | hard to IP block when my source range is a whole class b :( |
| 13:16.11 | SimonRaven | jelly: it's nothing like that |
| 13:16.13 | Tenkawa | SimonRaven: Yeah thats what I'm going to do for now |
| 13:16.24 | SimonRaven | jelly: /query ? |
| 13:16.30 | SimonRaven | mind a pasting? |
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| 13:16.40 | jelly | just a sec |
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| 13:18.12 | SimonRaven | with this set, the only thing i have to set is the whitelist |
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| 13:19.11 | CyberShadow | Hi, I have some process that connects to an IRC server and I want to get rid of it. "netstat -a -p -n" doesn't show it's PID/whatever, how to find it except to check all running processes? |
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| 13:20.35 | jelly | SimonRaven: heh, shorter than mine ;-) |
| 13:20.56 | SimonRaven | not done ;). sec |
| 13:21.08 | Tchiak | hey guerin.. i had a problem with the nvidia oneliner |
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| 13:22.01 | Tchiak | it installed everything ok.. but it was wierd.. cause when x started everything was really dark.. and when i went back to shell everything was relaly dark |
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| 13:23.16 | relajo | im trying to install grub and it gives me this error /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly |
| 13:23.19 | jelly | SimonRaven: yes, I can't see any -j ACCEPT or reject/drop. |
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| 13:24.24 | cusco | hi... |
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| 13:24.37 | cusco | I have a celeron at 2.6GHz |
| 13:24.50 | Tchiak | congrats to you |
| 13:24.52 | cusco | cusco@Portatil:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MH |
| 13:24.52 | cusco | cpu MHz : 102.910 |
| 13:25.10 | cusco | before it used to be like 2593.740 |
| 13:25.20 | cusco | what the hell is happening? |
| 13:25.22 | aethera | spawn:/# cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MH |
| 13:25.23 | aethera | cpu MHz : 2401.046 |
| 13:25.28 | aethera | cusco: whats up? |
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| 13:25.42 | aethera | is it a notebook? |
| 13:25.45 | cusco | aethera: 100 MHz |
| 13:25.47 | cusco | yes |
| 13:25.47 | rookmoot | rookmoot@/VRAC/debian/packages $ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MH |
| 13:25.47 | jelly | SimonRaven: ULOG will be used to make user-space changes, like hosts.deny, or do you do filtering too in user space? |
| 13:25.48 | rookmoot | cpu MHz : 2801.859 |
| 13:25.49 | Tchiak | ^_^ |
| 13:25.51 | rookmoot | :)))) |
| 13:25.53 | aethera | its scales |
| 13:25.59 | SimonRaven | nice thing with that is that the only list i have to maintain is the whitelist |
| 13:26.07 | nvz | well I found a bunch of WAP to IRC gateway sites last night surfing around on my phone at work.. but I couldnt get any of them to work on my phone. I even signed up for some chat site I think it was called prodigits or something.. and I could see other people chatting but I couldnt chat myself, I got errors :-/ |
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| 13:26.08 | Tchiak | Xbox is so slow |
| 13:26.28 | nvz | I am pretty sure I can setup some kind of WAP to IRC gateway I just havent figured it out yet |
| 13:26.30 | SimonRaven | jelly: i have a little daemon take care of hosts.deny. it even removes expired entries |
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| 13:26.34 | Tchiak | i had one for my phone nvz |
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| 13:26.36 | aethera | cusco: notebooks scale thier processors down |
| 13:26.39 | cusco | aethera: for sure before it showed 2593.740 |
| 13:26.43 | nvz | if not I could surely get an IRC client in java |
| 13:26.44 | aethera | if there is not much to do |
| 13:26.49 | rookmoot | cusco, you have a problem with your cpu freq ? |
| 13:26.50 | cusco | aethera: so much? |
| 13:26.50 | nvz | Tchiak: no you didnt. |
| 13:26.53 | aethera | cusco: do a top -d12 |
| 13:26.57 | cusco | hold |
| 13:27.09 | nvz | Tchiak: a WAP to IRC gateway doesnt run on a phone, it runs on a server, you surf into it |
| 13:27.13 | aethera | check what the resources are |
| 13:27.20 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/miscellaneous/ssh-sentry.tar.gz |
| 13:27.35 | nvz | zork7: don't ever do dumb stuff like that |
| 13:27.39 | cusco | what do you mean aethera |
| 13:27.42 | Tchiak | ahgh well i had a program for my phone that let me chat on my phone to an IRC server |
| 13:27.44 | aethera | zork7: thats not allowed |
| 13:27.46 | SimonRaven | jelly: ^^^^. i don't recall the site i got those iptables rules, but it's the best solution i've seen |
| 13:27.48 | aethera | cusco: pm? |
| 13:27.52 | cusco | Cpu(s): 1.7% us, 0.5% sy, 0.0% ni, 97.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 13:28.13 | Tchiak | yeah zork really uncool man |
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| 13:28.31 | xst | What do people use for mail monitor out there? |
| 13:28.35 | nvz | Tchiak: yeah I havent looked at the apps available to see if there was a java IRC client yet.. I did a search, nothing came up, but I didnt check every single page one by one |
| 13:28.43 | jm_ | mail monitor? |
| 13:28.44 | Tchiak | try virc |
| 13:28.50 | Tchiak | i think that was the name |
| 13:29.03 | nvz | there is a project wirelessirc.sf.net IIRC |
| 13:29.04 | xst | inbox monitor... |
| 13:29.15 | xst | inbox listener / etc. |
| 13:29.16 | Tchiak | no not virc -_- |
| 13:29.21 | Tchiak | god i can't remember |
| 13:29.22 | jelly | SimonRaven: nice, a little more elaborate than my rules. |
| 13:29.24 | jm_ | I use gkrellm's built-in thing for that |
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| 13:30.06 | jelly | SimonRaven: And using a tailer, I try not to use those if I don't have to. |
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| 13:30.11 | Tchiak | VIRCA |
| 13:30.12 | nvz | I cant use a program that isnt available for my phone on the sprint website.. I have no way to put anything on it other than that. thats why I am looking more at a remote gateway kind of like bitlbee |
| 13:30.13 | Tchiak | that's what it's called |
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| 13:30.23 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 13:30.42 | Tchiak | you can download it by surfing to the virca website |
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| 13:30.45 | Tchiak | and download from there |
| 13:30.52 | tarzeau | kingsley: there? |
| 13:30.57 | Tchiak | it just warns you that it's not a trusted program blah blah blah |
| 13:31.10 | jelly | SimonRaven: but that makes the daemon thingy nice and portable. |
| 13:31.13 | Tchiak | virca is at http://www.viderholen.net/contents/virca |
| 13:31.17 | nvz | I need to get a better phone and real internet service but I cant find anyone offering it for a resonable price $80 or more is too fucking much for mobile internet. I am not willing to pay anymore than $50 at most. and thats a lot. |
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| 13:32.00 | Tchiak | or go to wap.vidarholen.net to get the link to download it on the phone |
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| 13:32.16 | Tchiak | what phone do you have? |
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| 13:32.45 | npx | nvz, it sure is man |
| 13:32.51 | nvz | nextel only wanted $49.95 but thats the Blackberry plan, and afaik blackberry is the only thing that will work with nextel internet package.. and they are caught up in a legal dispute over patent infringment on parts of the technology so I didnt want to risk it and have them loose the case |
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| 13:33.38 | npx | if your phone ran linux you could run a nice modem on your desktop and just dial into it =) |
| 13:33.42 | botsy | what's the better between phpldapadmin and ldap account manager ? |
| 13:33.43 | nvz | I went and got a free sprint flip phone, and regular phone service with the web access for like $10/mo for now.. but they want $80/mo just for their internet plan for PDA/Pocket PCs |
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| 13:33.54 | npx | think 1986 on a mobile scale |
| 13:34.07 | nvz | npx: I got internet on my desktop. high speed I need this on the go portable |
| 13:34.09 | Tchiak | you know with a link cable there are programs that let you use your cell phone as a modem |
| 13:34.10 | SimonRaven | jelly: i like portable :) |
| 13:34.14 | l3m | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.53 | npx | nvz, I'm saying just dial into your desktop on a mobile phone running linux and run an ssh session |
| 13:34.56 | nvz | npx: what I got now is better than nothing, but I cant really conduct any sort of business with it. I cant even login to my credit card site, or visit debian.org ffs |
| 13:35.11 | npx | links-ssl man |
| 13:35.37 | nvz | npx: then I would have to pay internet, home phone, mobile phone, and still have a shitty (shittier) web access than I have now |
| 13:35.46 | SimonRaven | paulswm: ohnoz!!11!! |
| 13:36.05 | paulswm | SimonRaven: :D |
| 13:36.08 | npx | I dunno about you, but I get local only outgoing service for $15usd monthly |
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| 13:36.12 | Tchiak | i want to build a frequency scanner and hijacker |
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| 13:36.21 | npx | and I need the extra line anyways |
| 13:36.24 | Tchiak | to force my cellphone to think the hijacker is a cell tower |
| 13:36.25 | *** part/#debian Qielo (n=idkaejuo@81.213.82.12) |
| 13:36.26 | Tchiak | ^_^ |
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| 13:36.30 | npx | but then gain, I don't own a cellphone either |
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| 13:36.39 | Tchiak | i have a cell but it's turned off |
| 13:36.42 | Tchiak | greedy bastards |
| 13:36.57 | nvz | npx: the point is I dont need it, for anything.. and if I get the right technology I dont plan on having a home to have a phone in... |
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| 13:37.06 | nvz | I wont be staying in one place long enough to have all that |
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| 13:37.37 | nvz | I need to be highly mobile if I am to start running my business full time and quit working for other people |
| 13:38.08 | SimonRaven | cool. working on your own terms is rewarding |
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| 13:38.09 | jelly | Tchiak: what would you do with your own cell tower? |
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| 13:38.28 | Tchiak | i can think of a few usefull things |
| 13:38.42 | jelly | Route call via VoIP? ;-) |
| 13:38.43 | Tchiak | turn it on in a movie theater |
| 13:38.45 | nvz | Tchiak: I have no idea man, I still havent figured out any identifying info on this phone I checked the phone info in the settings nothing useful |
| 13:38.47 | SimonRaven | free cell access |
| 13:38.52 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 13:38.54 | sussudio | http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5460/pigeonrl2fg.jpg |
| 13:39.00 | sussudio | O RLY. |
| 13:39.01 | Tchiak | that way everyone's phone's connect to the simulated cell tower and BAM no calls |
| 13:39.11 | paulswm | He could rent it to the goverment for tranmsitting mid control rays to people who don't wear foil hats |
| 13:39.17 | Tchiak | you ahve to pop off the battery man |
| 13:39.17 | paulswm | mind* |
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| 13:39.32 | SimonRaven | sussudio: hehe, cute |
| 13:39.35 | nvz | bah. |
| 13:39.44 | sussudio | SimonRaven: YA RLY. |
| 13:39.49 | CyberShadow | Hi, I have some process that connects to an IRC server and I want to get rid of it. "netstat -a -p -n" doesn't show it's PID/whatever, how to find it except to check all running processes? |
| 13:40.09 | SimonRaven | paulswm: foil hats intensify certain frequencies |
| 13:40.14 | SimonRaven | sussudio: :) |
| 13:40.25 | Tchiak | nvz check out www.sprintpcsinfo.com |
| 13:40.34 | jelly | It would be nice to (be able to) get rid of people talking on the cell in the theater. |
| 13:40.36 | nvz | Tchiak: Sprint Samsung Portable Dualban Tri-mode PHONE. Model: SPH-A740 |
| 13:41.11 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Is that why mine gets warm sometimes just before I get the urge to stick a "I heart GWB" bumper sticker on my car? |
| 13:41.22 | nvz | Tchiak: ok?! |
| 13:41.32 | SimonRaven | paulswm: hehe |
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| 13:43.03 | Tchiak | color flipphone? |
| 13:43.10 | nvz | yep |
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| 13:43.12 | kryl | hi |
| 13:43.13 | kryl | what is a dead.letter please ? |
| 13:43.23 | Tchiak | hey nvz enter this into your phone |
| 13:43.27 | SimonRaven | a dead e-mail |
| 13:43.30 | Tchiak | ##786#\ |
| 13:43.32 | Tchiak | ##786# |
| 13:44.16 | nvz | Tchiak: I looked at many Sprint PDA's but their damn web service is fucking $80/mo for unlimited access.. so I am just hanging with the free flip phone and basic unlimited web/email package for $10/mo |
| 13:44.39 | nvz | Tchiak: what does that do? and do I enter it like making a call? |
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| 13:44.57 | SimonRaven | !tell selfcontr0l -about root |
| 13:45.58 | Tchiak | yes enter it like yoru making a call |
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| 13:46.10 | selfcontr0l | thx |
| 13:46.39 | selfcontr0l | ok so i have kernel v 2.4 and want to install 2.6 |
| 13:46.50 | selfcontr0l | do i use the -686 or the -386? |
| 13:46.55 | selfcontr0l | i have an athlon 3200+ |
| 13:47.01 | Tchiak | 686 |
| 13:47.06 | selfcontr0l | thx |
| 13:47.12 | selfcontr0l | gonna give it a shot |
| 13:47.23 | nvz | Tchiak: ah, cool. no idea wtf this is.. but its up here |
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| 13:47.28 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 13:47.35 | Tchiak | it's your phone usage |
| 13:47.45 | jake | how do i get the mouse overs on my desktop like mac? |
| 13:47.46 | Tchiak | whatever you do don't reset it :P |
| 13:47.49 | Tchiak | that will suck |
| 13:48.04 | Tchiak | your data provisioning menu code is: ##3282# |
| 13:48.14 | nvz | Tchiak: yeah so? |
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| 13:48.18 | Tchiak | and your Debug menu code is: ##33284# |
| 13:48.22 | Tchiak | :P |
| 13:48.27 | Tchiak | they are always fun things to look at |
| 13:48.35 | selfcontr0l | <- totally new to linux...so you will see me around a lot :) thanks for being available |
| 13:48.43 | selfcontr0l | this channel is for newbs right? |
| 13:48.52 | Tchiak | from news to guru's |
| 13:48.59 | Tchiak | from newbs to guru's |
| 13:49.15 | selfcontr0l | kew...i'll be back |
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| 13:50.04 | Guilherme | samba says that i dont have permission to access a folder on windows network |
| 13:50.06 | Tchiak | how much you wanna bet he'll mess up the initrd issue |
| 13:50.13 | nvz | Tchiak: I dunno, I had more fun looking at free porn in the shitty web browser |
| 13:50.19 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 13:50.19 | jm_ | Guilherme: that can't be |
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| 13:50.23 | Guilherme | how can i pass a user and password (from domain) to access that folder ? |
| 13:50.48 | Guilherme | hmmm i'm not on domain, |
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| 13:50.53 | Tchiak | -o "username=<username>,password=<password>" |
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| 13:51.03 | Tchiak | option |
| 13:51.09 | Guilherme | (i'm using gnome file browser) |
| 13:51.11 | mjk64 | Is there a file system for Linux that can be both increased and *decreased* online, i. e. while mounted? ext2/3 can only be increased online (w/ a kernel patch), XFS I've heard can be increased online by default. |
| 13:51.18 | Tchiak | well use command line option :P |
| 13:51.18 | nvz | that web browser is really crap. it cant even render tables sometimes. I loaded a site with nothing fancy at all http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity and if you let it load all the way it errors and makes you go back.. but if you hit stop before it does it, you can view the page fine |
| 13:51.36 | Tchiak | what do you mean by increased mjk? |
| 13:51.43 | nvz | I dont understand why the network doesnt filter out anything this shitty browser cant interpret |
| 13:51.52 | Tchiak | nvz it can't handle a lot of html4.0 sites |
| 13:51.53 | Tchiak | properly |
| 13:51.54 | mjk64 | Tchiak: increase the size |
| 13:51.59 | Tchiak | it's main base is still in xml |
| 13:52.07 | Tchiak | mjk64 you mean increase the size of the parition? |
| 13:52.28 | nvz | Tchiak: I think its downright stupid. the server should chew and regurgitate all the data for this thing |
| 13:52.34 | clojster | Do someone know any good Pool for Linux? |
| 13:52.36 | mjk64 | Tchiak: No, just the FS. The underlying partition can be easily in/decreased using LVM (I hope) |
| 13:52.47 | jm_ | clojster: foobillard |
| 13:52.51 | pureone | good pool? |
| 13:52.57 | nvz | Tchiak: all images should be resampled to the proper size, all code should be preproccessed and truncated or translated |
| 13:53.00 | Tchiak | you mean the server should dynamnically compile all incomming html4.0 files and convert them to xml? |
| 13:53.05 | Tchiak | then send them to the phone? |
| 13:53.17 | Tchiak | for everyphone |
| 13:53.21 | Tchiak | on their entire network |
| 13:53.21 | nvz | Tchiak: or at least strip anything that will screw it up |
| 13:53.40 | Tchiak | yeah but most stuff if you strip it out will seriously screw up the site depending on how fancy one gets |
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| 13:53.50 | clojster | jm_: thanks, that looks great! |
| 13:53.58 | Tchiak | it seems the closer to compliance a page has with html4.0 the worse it is when viewing it in the browser :P |
| 13:54.01 | nvz | there are sites, it is capable of viewing, like the one I mentioned.. that it just errors out on for some stupid insignificat piece of code that in no way changes how the site will be viewed on this phone |
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| 13:54.23 | SimonRaven | Tchiak: imagemap based on a screenshot of the whole page ;p |
| 13:54.25 | Tchiak | my problem was that any image heavy sites i couldnt' load cause i would run out of memory |
| 13:54.30 | aethera | its never the browsers fault |
| 13:54.33 | aethera | its the coders fault |
| 13:54.37 | nvz | SimonRaven: heh thats evil |
| 13:54.54 | nvz | SimonRaven: could be more evil though.. could convert the whole thing to a pdf |
| 13:55.00 | Tchiak | o_o |
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| 13:55.04 | SimonRaven | oh gawds |
| 13:55.06 | Tchiak | a pdf to a java phone |
| 13:55.08 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 13:55.15 | nvz | heh |
| 13:55.23 | nvz | hey, thats pretty evil |
| 13:55.23 | norskfjord | hi |
| 13:55.35 | aethera | lo norskfjord |
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| 13:55.40 | ac3 | Hi |
| 13:55.40 | norskfjord | when I use the 2.6.8 kernel my sound doesn't work |
| 13:55.46 | norskfjord | I think it's something to do with alsa |
| 13:55.52 | norskfjord | what do I need to install? |
| 13:55.55 | Tchiak | that produce an image of what your looking at in thin air :P |
| 13:55.55 | aethera | norskfjord: run alsa-conf |
| 13:55.56 | Arsion | when connecting via ssh, is there a way to pull the ip that i am connecting from? |
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| 13:56.01 | ac3 | anybody here has experience with clusters (openmosix)? |
| 13:56.14 | aethera | alsaconf |
| 13:56.19 | Tchiak | yes alsaconf is god |
| 13:56.20 | jm_ | pull the IP? |
| 13:56.23 | pureone | Arsion: who |
| 13:56.34 | SimonRaven | Arsion: um, with/without ssh, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:56.38 | aethera | hita Tchiak |
| 13:56.58 | nvz | Tchiak: hmm ##33284# gave me a popup that says "Field Serv" with a combo lock and 6 blanks ______ |
| 13:57.10 | Arsion | jm_: i tried putting sshd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 in the hosts.allow file and now i cant connect to it. so i need to figure out the correct ip to put in it |
| 13:57.11 | aethera | hiya even |
| 13:57.13 | Tchiak | Arsion: why not use lynx on one of yoru shells and head over to www.whatismyip.com ? |
| 13:57.16 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 13:57.27 | Tchiak | damn they must have locked the menu on your phone |
| 13:57.30 | Tchiak | that's the debug menu |
| 13:57.38 | nvz | bastards |
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| 13:57.50 | nvz | what kind of goodies does it have ? |
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| 13:57.55 | aethera | Tchiak: Bad Request (Invalid Hostname) |
| 13:57.56 | aethera | :P |
| 13:57.59 | SimonRaven | there's probably a way around it ;) |
| 13:58.05 | jm_ | Arsion: 192.168 us a local range |
| 13:58.11 | Tchiak | basics hit like testing the screen and stuff |
| 13:58.13 | Tchiak | it's cool |
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| 13:58.17 | jm_ | is* |
| 13:58.17 | nvz | SimonRaven: sure is |
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| 13:58.35 | Arsion | jm_: right and i am connecting through putty on a winxp thats connected to same network as server |
| 13:58.45 | Tchiak | well why don't you just surf over to http://www.officialbunny.com for some useful info aethera |
| 13:58.59 | pureone | Arsion: use "who" |
| 13:59.09 | jm_ | Arsion: ok, well use who or w |
| 13:59.13 | nvz | Tchiak: I got a feeling the passwd is in this 3g Data somewhere |
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| 13:59.15 | Tchiak | freakin db's are being a pain in the butt |
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| 13:59.42 | pureone | !test |
| 13:59.43 | dpkg | Sorry, pureone, I didn't get your test. |
| 14:00.04 | aethera | Tchiak: pi :) nice one |
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| 14:00.19 | Tchiak | yeah i'm gonna create a site where it says that you got a pie in the face |
| 14:00.30 | nvz | not to mention all the browser gateways are here.. I wonder if I can change this to my desktop's IP and program it to digest the internet for me :P |
| 14:00.35 | Tchiak | and offers you a chance to send an email to your friends giving them the link |
| 14:00.46 | Tchiak | then keep a list of people who decided to leave a name |
| 14:00.48 | Tchiak | ^_^ |
| 14:01.22 | nvz | damnit, they got more than one code on this fucker |
| 14:01.35 | Tchiak | the biggest draw back to the US cell internet market is the fact that sprint's internet is not a persistant connection |
| 14:01.36 | nvz | several other areas are locked with a 6 digit service code. |
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| 14:02.02 | Tchiak | as are most cell networks :| |
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| 14:02.29 | Arsion | who doesnt give the connected ip, only the user name |
| 14:02.29 | Tchiak | it is too cold here 34 deg :( |
| 14:02.42 | jm_ | who, who -a, w - one of them will reveal it |
| 14:02.44 | nvz | I didnt want sprint to begin with.. I just got it because all my family/friends are on sprint or nextel, except my mom who has AT&T but she never turns her phone on, cause she's paranoid of it dying.. so it really doesnt matter. |
| 14:03.18 | jm_ | otherwise just use netstat |
| 14:03.30 | nvz | what I may end up having to do, is what I saw this guy doing at the polls when I was down there voting a while ago.. he had one phone for a calling plan, and another just for a web plan through a different provider |
| 14:03.46 | Tchiak | o_O |
| 14:03.52 | Tchiak | that's kinda... retarded |
| 14:03.59 | nvz | I may keep my sprint just for calling and trim down the plan taking out all the extras I bought and get a separate phone on whoever will give me cheap internet |
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| 14:04.46 | nvz | Tchiak: yeah well I need sprint or nextel to keep it free for me and everyone I know to keep in touch.. but their fucking internet service sucks ass and costs $80/mo and I know someone else will offer me better service for half the cost |
| 14:05.14 | Tchiak | :| |
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| 14:06.53 | nvz | I look at it this way, I already got a FREE sprint phone with a decent plan that I can talk to everyone for nothing, without using any minutes or anything.. and it will cost me probably the cost of the phone if not more to cancel early.. so I might as well keep this flip phone for the calling plan that works best, and buy a good PDA and pay a different network for internet |
| 14:07.12 | Tchiak | i need money |
| 14:07.19 | nvz | me too I got $1 |
| 14:07.21 | Tchiak | i'm down to counting change -_- |
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| 14:07.27 | Tchiak | i'm also unemployed |
| 14:07.36 | Tchiak | i'm gonna hav eto roll down to the IGA and pick up some ramen |
| 14:07.43 | nvz | I dont count change, I shake the platinum mastercard when the wallet is empty |
| 14:07.48 | Tchiak | mom needs to get back home so she can freakin buy food |
| 14:07.50 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 14:07.55 | Tchiak | she won't be back till christmas -_- |
| 14:07.56 | nvz | and I run my own business and have a full time job :P |
| 14:08.06 | Tchiak | the cards are overmaxed :( |
| 14:08.16 | norskfjord | hey there is no alsa-conf |
| 14:08.20 | Tchiak | nor |
| 14:08.24 | Tchiak | apt-get install alsaconf |
| 14:08.24 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:08.53 | aethera | norskfjord: apt-get install alsautils |
| 14:09.02 | Tchiak | no alsaconf |
| 14:09.04 | Tchiak | ALSACONF |
| 14:09.05 | Tchiak | >_> |
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| 14:09.20 | Buddha| | Are there any graphical SQL frontends available in Debian? |
| 14:09.22 | Tchiak | if youd o alsaconf alsautils is downloaded automatically as a dep |
| 14:09.25 | aethera | Tchiak: whats up? |
| 14:09.30 | aethera | Buddha|: phpmyadmin |
| 14:10.00 | botsy | with the webmin for ldap i have a problem when i want to create an account or a group it say "Failed to add user to LDAP database : modifications require authentication" |
| 14:10.05 | nvz | damn I think I forgot my login name for my credit card |
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| 14:10.12 | aethera | botsy: apt-get remove webmin |
| 14:10.15 | botsy | anybody know where are my error ... |
| 14:10.25 | npx | nvz, I'll pm you with it |
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| 14:10.32 | botsy | aethera, why apt-get remove ? |
| 14:10.33 | plbgnr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.43 | aethera | webmin is not that cool man |
| 14:10.44 | Tchiak | i need ot find mysql 4.0 something |
| 14:11.08 | botsy | aethera, i know but it's to easy with webmin ... |
| 14:11.08 | paulswm | Buddha|: Or phppgadmin if you're using postgresql rather than the mysql toy rdbms |
| 14:11.16 | aethera | botsy: |
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| 14:11.26 | botsy | aethera, yes ... ? |
| 14:11.27 | nvz | npx: heh. |
| 14:11.35 | nvz | that reminds me. its probably in my email |
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| 14:11.50 | Tchiak | i forgot what teh SQL is to view the version of the mysql i'm using -_- |
| 14:11.57 | Arsion | ok, figured that part out. Now, adding to hosts.allow i see i need to add the subnet after the IP. Does 255.255.255.0 cover all subnets even if mine ends with 255 instead of 0? |
| 14:12.02 | norskfjord | eeek |
| 14:12.35 | fireba11 | Arsion: er .. what ? you're not making sense to me |
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| 14:12.40 | Buddha| | paulswm - what do you mean, toy rdbms? |
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| 14:12.47 | botsy | aethera, what ? |
| 14:12.56 | aethera | botsy: I forgot the question |
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| 14:13.10 | nvz | hmm its not the login I forgot, its the passwd :P |
| 14:13.15 | Buddha| | paulswm - also, I'm not looking for anything web-based |
| 14:13.26 | Tchiak | i need mysql version 4.0.25-standard |
| 14:13.29 | Tchiak | :| |
| 14:13.34 | Tchiak | and php 4.4.1 |
| 14:13.45 | Tchiak | and i have to install apache 1.3.34 |
| 14:13.45 | mjk64 | Can someone tell me why base-config lists the APT configuration items in this order: stable, unstable, testing? It's neither sorted "chronologically" nor lexically. |
| 14:13.53 | botsy | aethera, lol |
| 14:14.04 | Tchiak | :P |
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| 14:14.23 | Tchiak | so i can do all my creation and testing prior to upload and it work as i make it |
| 14:14.25 | nvz | oh well fuck it, this is why there is a 1-800 number on the back of the card. so a computer can tell me what my account balance is |
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| 14:14.35 | Arsion | fireba11: i'm adding IP's to the hosts.allow file for sshd, i need to make sure i can connect from my network no matter what. I know i need to do sshd: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 ...The first part i know covers ALL IPs in my network, but does the last part cover all subnets? cause my subnet is actually 255.255.255.255 |
| 14:14.54 | jm_ | Arsion: no you don't need to add subnet, man hosts_access |
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| 14:16.15 | nvz | yay, I like the sound of that, I thought I had a high balance, its only like $60 and she says "You have no payment due at this time" :P sweet |
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| 14:16.41 | Tchiak | what's your credit line? |
| 14:16.43 | nvz | gonna order my buddy a sd card for his phone on credit |
| 14:17.13 | nvz | I just got the card like a week ago. its $300 |
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| 14:17.39 | Tchiak | it's funny |
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| 14:17.56 | Tchiak | for like 100 bucks i can find out your social security number, address, dob, cellphone usage |
| 14:17.58 | Tchiak | i:P |
| 14:18.00 | Tchiak | it's crazy man |
| 14:18.02 | nvz | I had a $300 Capital One Visa on my dad's account, but he filed bankruptcy so they sent me my own Capital One Platinum Master Card |
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| 14:18.16 | jamesm | so a profit of $200.. hardly seems worth it ;) |
| 14:18.16 | Tchiak | i wanted to file bankruptcy |
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| 14:18.18 | nvz | yeah well you have to know _something_ about me first |
| 14:18.31 | Tchiak | but they told me i didn't have neough debt |
| 14:18.33 | Tchiak | i loved that |
| 14:18.37 | subopt | I'm going to install IBM's Java JRE and SDK on Sarge. Is there any problem with just putting them in ~/local/, and bypassing the whole 'equivs' package install, and the creation of dummy packages/installs? |
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| 14:18.46 | nvz | you can look at my whois and get my email, which contains no vaild personal info about me at all |
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| 14:18.59 | Tchiak | one of my cards told me the same.. they said they wouldn't offer any paypment programs until i was another month late |
| 14:19.02 | Tchiak | and i just was like wtf |
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| 14:19.09 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 14:19.17 | Arsion | jm_: ok, then why is it blocking connections from my network now? |
| 14:19.19 | gypsymauro | there is documentation on how configure LVM on debian? |
| 14:19.21 | CyberShadow | How do you make a dump of a process's memory? is it some file from /proc ?? |
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| 14:19.29 | Tchiak | well we could always trace your info via comcast |
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| 14:19.43 | nvz | I've been online for like 12 years I know a thing or two about anonimity. even though I probably dont know how to spell it |
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| 14:20.04 | mjk64 | nvz: You are right. ;-) |
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| 14:20.11 | Tchiak | match up login records to customer database |
| 14:20.27 | nvz | I have no info in comcast |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | when will KDE 3.5 be packaged for sarge ? |
| 14:20.35 | Tchiak | i know 2 things about you right now |
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| 14:20.39 | nvz | I am not even a comcast customer |
| 14:20.43 | Tchiak | you run a business and you work full time :P |
| 14:20.46 | nvz | 2 things you assume perhaps |
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| 14:20.57 | abrotman | he runs a business ? |
| 14:20.57 | Tchiak | you have a capital one platinum card with alimit of 300 and a balance of 60 |
| 14:20.59 | tomiq | valdyn: hi:) |
| 14:21.02 | abrotman | nvz: you're a pimp ? |
| 14:21.17 | nvz | abrotman: no I am a "consultant" to anyone who asks |
| 14:21.23 | Tchiak | :P |
| 14:21.27 | nvz | abrotman: what I really do is not important |
| 14:21.33 | Tchiak | how about consulting some 23 yr old brunett to my place of residence? |
| 14:21.39 | nvz | heh |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | when will KDE 3.5 be packaged for sarge ? |
| 14:21.43 | jamesm | you should really think about calling yourself a pimp, think of the tax benefits |
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| 14:21.54 | nvz | Tchiak: my house is closer |
| 14:22.31 | nvz | Tchiak: if I found two brunetts its highly unlikely I would like em both, so after I had a hot orgy with them, I could send one your way :P |
| 14:22.52 | Tchiak | then i'll kill her and blamei t on you |
| 14:22.57 | nvz | heh |
| 14:22.58 | tomiq | valdyn: I have other issue... the ide disc is not loaded after I add ata-piix to /etc/mkinitrd/modules... |
| 14:22.59 | Tchiak | and you'll go to jail and have a hot orgy with bob and jimm y |
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| 14:23.10 | Tchiak | and i'll win ^_^ |
| 14:23.17 | mjk64 | =) |
| 14:23.27 | nvz | not unless you can make it a federal case |
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| 14:23.39 | nvz | I kind of got politics locked down aroung here :P |
| 14:23.45 | Tchiak | i'll make it look like a carjacking gone wrong |
| 14:24.09 | xptek | High profile IRC pimps |
| 14:24.14 | nvz | ;) |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | nvz: that's what happens when you're a pimp and all the councilmen give you your business |
| 14:24.27 | xptek | :o |
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| 14:24.47 | paulswm | Buddha|: Sorry, missed your question. Actually I don't use phppgadmin, I'm more used to managing from a terminal. In terms of the differences between mySQL and postgresql (my personal opinion only, of course): pg supports point in time recovery, transaction commits or rollbacks, full foreign key syntax (like on delete cascade), support for 5 server side programming languages and stored procedures, schemas in separate namespaces, tablesp |
| 14:24.47 | paulswm | aces and table partitioning, that's a start. And it's more SQL standard compliant. mySQL either doesn't have the features I mentioned or they are implemented in a rudimentary way, but they are all features which I use. |
| 14:25.06 | nvz | abrotman: actually I got more business from Chuck the liquor store man, than anyone in council. I've done 0 jobs for council and 2 for Chuck |
| 14:25.25 | nvz | abrotman: my dad's on council, and he's like crime.. |
| 14:25.34 | sussudio | how much wood can chuck chuck? |
| 14:25.34 | nvz | (and crime doesnt pay.) |
| 14:25.58 | nvz | so when I fix his shit, I dont make any money |
| 14:26.10 | Tchiak | crime pays as long as it pays the right people |
| 14:26.29 | nvz | usually the same for his friends at work.. they dont ever have money either.. thats why I have let that dude's pc go for like 2 years |
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| 14:27.33 | bizkit | hmm.. funny how much offtopic crap you write in here.. if someone new comes in here and asks a wrong question you get fucked up even if its just the wrong form of question.. |
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| 14:27.48 | Jondo | Is there any way to bootstrap the installation system from an already booted system? |
| 14:28.07 | jm_ | Jondo: read installation manual |
| 14:28.11 | nvz | bizkit: do you need help with something? |
| 14:28.22 | bizkit | nvz: no, thanks |
| 14:28.44 | nvz | the defence rests. |
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| 14:31.12 | jdjs | goodmorning everyone |
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| 14:31.50 | jdjs | Im looking for some help on fixing an audio problem that seems to have started after I did a 'dist-upgrade' |
| 14:32.06 | x_ | How can I open a streaming radio with XMMS?: xmms http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls does not work |
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| 14:32.50 | zdennis | anyone here download any projects from sourceforge anonymously using pserver authentication? |
| 14:33.45 | jm_ | zdennis: sometimes |
| 14:33.49 | bizkit | x_: if you want to play such things from console i suggest you using mplayer. if you want xmms and control it via console, have a look on xmms-shell. in xmms, just do ADD -> URL and type in your url |
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| 14:34.21 | bizkit | jdjs: just ask your question / describe your problem |
| 14:34.22 | zdennis | jm_ you wouldn't want to test one of those projects and attempt to check it out again or update from it would you? |
| 14:34.37 | nvz | curious_kitty: *shrug* must have to be a cat to tell.. I watch them. it seems this is how they identify gender when they meet another cat |
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| 14:34.58 | jm_ | zdennis: you mean right now? I'm at work now, so can't do it ATM |
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| 14:35.01 | valdyn | x_: read that file with a text editor or whatever |
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| 14:35.11 | jdjs | bizkit thanks. |
| 14:35.16 | zdennis | jm_ ah ok, jm_ you ever have problems where sourceofge gives you connection refused? |
| 14:35.25 | jm_ | zdennis: sure, it has happened |
| 14:35.49 | zdennis | jm_ ok...i will just wait a few hours then and try again |
| 14:35.52 | zdennis | jm_, thx |
| 14:36.01 | valdyn | x_: that link doesnt exist |
| 14:36.01 | jdjs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.24 | valdyn | jdjs: are you using alsa? |
| 14:36.31 | nvz | bah, wtf I call circuit city and they are closed. |
| 14:36.37 | nvz | must be early still |
| 14:36.45 | valdyn | jdjs: which debian release are you running? |
| 14:37.10 | bizkit | jdjs: did you upgrade your kernel? using alsa? |
| 14:37.28 | nvz | price to beat on a 512MB SD is about $40 if I can find it for that at a retail store even with a rebate I am makin out |
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| 14:37.38 | nvz | s/SD/miniSD/ |
| 14:37.47 | jdjs | valdyn as far as I can tell.. no. but I could be wrong. I'm running kernel 2.6.14-2-686 |
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| 14:38.03 | valdyn | jdjs: not what i asked |
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| 14:38.14 | valdyn | jdjs: try apt-get install linux-sound-base |
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| 14:38.28 | valdyn | jdjs: if that is already installed 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' |
| 14:38.39 | fevel | how do I set resolution to 1152x864. I installed the nvidia drivers |
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| 14:39.09 | jdjs | valdyn ok, that just installed successfully. |
| 14:39.16 | valdyn | jdjs: if you dont know the difference between a debian release and a kernel version you should probably not be running stuff that isnt stable / sarge |
| 14:39.37 | bizkit | jdjs: if you're running a 2.6 kernel, i don't think you're still running deprecated oss, so you should have a look on the alsa stuff in your .config (kernel) and perhaps the alsa-utils package |
| 14:39.47 | valdyn | jdjs: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base if you didnt get to pick your sound system yet. |
| 14:39.48 | jdjs | sorry, im running sarge. I was just giving extra details. |
| 14:39.54 | jdjs | since I did do a kernel upgrade. |
| 14:40.06 | valdyn | jdjs: no, linux-sound-base isnt in sarge |
| 14:40.52 | bizkit | jdjs: and see if you have enabled the alsa oss emulation |
| 14:41.14 | abrotman | when will KDE 3.5 be packaged for sarge ? |
| 14:41.26 | valdyn | !kill abrotman |
| 14:41.35 | coreyo | the stable mysql-server-4.1 package on security.debian.org appears to be a little b0rked. It's not properly creating /etc/init.d/mysql, nor is it starting up correctly. Has anyone else encountered/fixed this problem? |
| 14:41.37 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 14:41.42 | mjk64 | !hump abrotman |
| 14:41.55 | mjk64 | 8-)) |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | coreyo: /etc/init.d/mysqld ? |
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| 14:42.17 | junix-br | hello all |
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| 14:42.51 | x_ | bizkit, mplayer http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls ? |
| 14:43.03 | tomiq | valdyn: hi can u help? |
| 14:43.12 | junix-br | somebody can help me with sarge installation in sata hd? |
| 14:43.19 | bizkit | x_: yes, works fine for me |
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| 14:43.30 | junix-br | a dell poweredge 430 |
| 14:43.33 | coreyo | abrotman: nothing |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | who knew HP didn't sell Monochrome inkjets anymore ... |
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| 14:43.52 | jm_ | junix-br: first hit on google |
| 14:43.54 | x_ | bizkit, not for me, must be some blocked ports or something |
| 14:43.57 | bizkit | x_: you have to know the .pls is just a playlist with often more than one source.. you can open this .pls with any editor and take out the direct streaming url |
| 14:44.01 | junix-br | jm_, yes, I know |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | coreyo: which package ? |
| 14:44.08 | sussudio | abrotman: does anyone care? |
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| 14:44.14 | coreyo | mysql-server-4.1 |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | sussudio: i do ? |
| 14:44.23 | junix-br | I'm looking for this 4 hours |
| 14:44.24 | jdjs | valdyn ok, I selected ALSA. |
| 14:44.35 | x_ | bizkit, cause I get Playing... Resolving.... etc |
| 14:44.37 | sussudio | abrotman: why would you buy an inkjet printer? |
| 14:44.47 | abrotman | sussudio: i need an el-cheapo printer for printing checks .. |
| 14:45.02 | x_ | bizkit, and Server returned code 404: Resource Not Found |
| 14:45.03 | bizkit | x_: and where's the problem? resolving the hostname? |
| 14:45.04 | nvz | sussudio: what should one buy when they dont want to spend $200 or so on a laser? |
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| 14:45.06 | sussudio | abrotman: dotmatrix? :-| |
| 14:45.08 | abrotman | coreyo: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=mysql-server-4.1&version=stable&arch=i386 .. says it's there |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | sussudio: 4pin :) |
| 14:45.17 | jm_ | nvz: you can get lassers for less than $100 |
| 14:45.22 | jm_ | lasers even |
| 14:45.29 | sussudio | abrotman: no, it's 25 i think |
| 14:45.30 | Arsion | abrotman: get a lexmark X6150 wont work with linux but its pretty cheap and is a 4-in-1 |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | coreyo: try the confmiss option to dpkg |
| 14:45.32 | coreyo | abrotman: I'm fully aware of that, but it's not installing it |
| 14:45.37 | mjk64 | bizkit: I get "Error: ICY-Server couldn't find requested stream, skipping!" a few times. But using self-compiled MPlayer. |
| 14:45.38 | sussudio | nvz: a used laser? |
| 14:45.41 | abrotman | Arsion: i don't want a 4-in-1 |
| 14:45.44 | abrotman | coreyo: try confmiss |
| 14:45.45 | coreyo | abrotman: k, |
| 14:45.46 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 14:45.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 14:46.14 | zork7 | Arsion: we got here in our office lexmarkx85, doesnt work either |
| 14:46.16 | bizkit | well mjk64, x_ is just opened it without problems (and also got latest mplayer cvs). you should try http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1003 which is one of the direct streams in this playlist |
| 14:46.24 | bizkit | s/is/it/ |
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| 14:46.39 | stewpid | how do i change default editor for crontab? |
| 14:46.44 | mjk64 | bizkit: bizkit Already did, same message. |
| 14:46.53 | abrotman | change $EDITOR ? |
| 14:46.54 | Arsion | zork7: yeah, not many lexmark will work with linux. |
| 14:46.56 | mjk64 | bizkit: The .pls was opened using "-playlist", of course. |
| 14:46.57 | caphuso | stewpid: same way you do it for anything else: set $VISUAL and/or $EDITOR |
| 14:46.58 | stewpid | thanks |
| 14:47.06 | abrotman | coreyo: you might want to backup your config files first |
| 14:47.06 | nvz | bah, $35.85 w/ free shipping from Santa Clara, CA is the best I can do I think for the 512mb miniSD. and the free shipping is probably USPS ground.. which would take like two fucking weeks. I need it yesturday |
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| 14:47.09 | stewpid | change $EDITOR vim |
| 14:47.09 | stewpid | ? |
| 14:47.11 | stewpid | would work? |
| 14:47.13 | coreyo | abrotman: killing it, backing it up, downgrading, upgrading, overwriting the conf script, and restoring seems to have done the trick... |
| 14:47.17 | bizkit | mjk64: i don't need that, just mplayer http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls |
| 14:47.24 | abrotman | coreyo: oh .. is that all ? :) |
| 14:47.29 | Arsion | zork7: specially All-in-Ones |
| 14:47.41 | zork7 | yup |
| 14:47.42 | coreyo | abrotman: apparently the script is written in such a way that it has to have SOME /etc/init.d/mysql file there in order to install properly |
| 14:47.47 | nvz | I dont think I should even check ebay.. thats not likely to get me a quality product in a timely fashion |
| 14:47.50 | stewpid | abrotman: command not found where do i change it |
| 14:47.56 | mjk64 | bizkit: Oh yeah, even works w/o ... just doesn't work in the end. But it's not that important. :-) |
| 14:48.06 | abrotman | coreyo: yes .. it will only reinstall that file if you haven't previously removed it |
| 14:48.10 | Arsion | zork7: no big thou, its why i have 3 computers lol |
| 14:48.13 | abrotman | stewpid: which command ? |
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| 14:48.17 | caphuso | stewpid: it's an environment variable like any other, so you treat it just like that |
| 14:48.22 | x_ | bizkit, mplayer http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1003 output: see http://rafb.net/paste/results/XvF4xF19.html |
| 14:48.27 | stewpid | ok thanks |
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| 14:48.50 | zork7 | arsion, :) i got dual boot set up here |
| 14:49.26 | mjk64 | x_: That's nearly exactly my output as well. |
| 14:49.26 | jdjs | valdyn Fixed it! thanks you :) |
| 14:49.28 | jdjs | thank* |
| 14:49.38 | tomiq | can anyone tell me whot can I do to make ide controller work? I moved system to the new sata disc and had to add ata-piix module to initrd (before there was nothing...)... now while I can boot the previous disc can no longer be mounted (not present at /dev). |
| 14:49.57 | x_ | bizkit, mjk64 so what can cause this not working for us but for bizkit |
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| 14:50.30 | Arsion | zork7: eh dual boot wont work for me. got to have access to my server at all times since i host sites for people. Plus, i play pc games that only work on Win and Mac. Then I have another box, which is an old PoS that I use as a secondary firewall for stuff that gets through my nat |
| 14:50.34 | bizkit | x_, mjk64 it works for me both ways, just using the pls or the direct stream url: http://rafb.net/paste/results/v3Empj66.html |
| 14:50.46 | mjk64 | x_: Hmm ... same output on my router. |
| 14:50.53 | bizkit | x, mjk64 perhaps they denied access for certain ip ranges |
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| 14:51.06 | x_ | bizkit, nope I can use it with xmms |
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| 14:51.41 | junix-br | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20051128/ come with kernel 2.6.12? |
| 14:51.53 | bizkit | x_: your mplayer seems to use IP_v6.. it should use ipv4 for this address |
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| 14:52.03 | abrotman | junix-br: possibly.. 2.6.12 is the current version in etch |
| 14:52.05 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 14:52.06 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 |
| 14:52.11 | bizkit | x_: do you have a self-compiled one? |
| 14:52.14 | Xteven | hello, can anyone tell me how to preseed apt-setup so that I can add multiple apt repositories to the sources.list ? |
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| 14:52.19 | mjk64 | x_: bizkit is using a CVS version of MPlayer |
| 14:52.27 | junix-br | abrotman, it's from my sata hd |
| 14:52.30 | abrotman | Xteven: it should just add them |
| 14:52.46 | bizkit | mjk64: didn't i say that ;) |
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| 14:52.51 | abrotman | junix-br: well .. you can either use the etch beta installer .. or the unofficial sarge installer with a newer kernel |
| 14:53.01 | mjk64 | bizkit: Sorry, haven't followed the discussion completely. :-} |
| 14:53.11 | junix-br | abrotman, ok, I'll try... thank you |
| 14:53.11 | bizkit | mjk64: but that shouldn't be the problem.. |
| 14:53.12 | x_ | bizkit, anyway, I really want to use: mplayer http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls |
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| 14:53.26 | tomiq | can anyone tell me whot can I do to make ide controller work? I moved system to the new sata disc and had to add ata-piix module to initrd (before there was nothing...)... now while I can boot the previous disc can no longer be mounted (not present at /dev). |
| 14:53.35 | bizkit | x_, mjk64 you should have a look on the marillat mplayer packages.. |
| 14:53.36 | x_ | bizkit, instead of picking out ip:s and stuff, better to have one constant url |
| 14:53.36 | NgD | Hello, what the name of this character "^" ? |
| 14:53.38 | bizkit | !marillat |
| 14:53.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 14:53.41 | botsy | what's the moethod for create an user in ldap ..... ? |
| 14:53.42 | junix-br | abrotman, where can I find unofficial sarge installer with a newer kernel? |
| 14:53.43 | tomiq | re: what:) |
| 14:53.51 | abrotman | !tell junix-br about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | !tell junix-br about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 14:54.00 | Xteven | abrotman : the apt-setup script reads 1 value, writes it, then asks if you want more, and if so, overwrites the other values and so on |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | junix-br: i haven't used either .. you're on your own |
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| 14:54.04 | SimonRaven | botsy: #ldap |
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| 14:54.10 | x_ | bizkit, I have just installed mplayer, nothing FOR mplayer if that is required |
| 14:54.16 | junix-br | abrotman, thank you |
| 14:54.19 | Xteven | abrotman : I could try with multiple lines in the preseed file, but I'm fairly sure it won't work :( |
| 14:54.21 | abrotman | Xteven: hrm .. it shouldn't overwrite it |
| 14:54.34 | Xteven | abrotman : it overwrites the values in debconf I mean |
| 14:54.35 | martinjh99 | HOw do I get my home key to goto the beginning of the line?? |
| 14:54.58 | Xteven | abrotman : or thats why I think I saw in the source |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | Xteven: have you checked the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:55.09 | tomiq | please do you know how to add ide suport? |
| 14:55.10 | mjk64 | abrotman: Ah, finally someone thanks you and not dpkg. :-) |
| 14:55.12 | x_ | bizkit, what should I look at in the Marillat mplayer sources? |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | mjk64: hehe |
| 14:55.30 | x_ | bizkit, which package I ment? |
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| 14:55.57 | bizkit | x_: mplayer for your cpu |
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| 14:56.11 | botsy | when i want to create an user for ldap in the webmin it say Failed to add user to LDAP database : require root acces .. but i'm logon with root account ... i don't understand please help me |
| 14:56.11 | x_ | bizkit, which I have |
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| 14:56.24 | bizkit | x_: from marillat? |
| 14:56.29 | x_ | bizkit, sure |
| 14:56.36 | Xteven | abrotman : not yet, I will try it now |
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| 14:56.49 | abrotman | Xteven: you might have a very large sources list :) |
| 14:56.57 | bizkit | x_: what about mpg123, installed? |
| 14:57.05 | martinjh99 | How do I get my home key to goto the beginning of the line?? |
| 14:57.12 | SimonRaven | botsy: rootdn != root |
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| 14:57.27 | mjk64 | martinjh99: Why not use ^A, that's much better. =) |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | didn't you already send him to #ldap ? |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 14:57.38 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 14:57.47 | SimonRaven | ^a for home, ^e for end |
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| 14:58.13 | mjk64 | martinjh99: And otherwise: Be more specific. Configure your home key /where/? |
| 14:58.21 | Xteven | abrotman : I doubt it :) I'm reinstalling the machine over and over again with a custom netinstall cd |
| 14:58.21 | x_ | bizkit, It was not my iptables rules either, just tested, so what the heck could it be that refuse to open the connection? |
| 14:58.25 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yes. he/she/it seems to not respond/reply to queries |
| 14:58.41 | abrotman | botsy: i love you |
| 14:58.47 | SimonRaven | oh there s/he is now |
| 14:58.54 | abrotman | ah .. ok .. /me hides |
| 14:58.55 | NgD | Hello, what the name of this character "^" ? |
| 14:58.59 | botsy | abrotman, thank i go |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | carrot |
| 14:59.06 | mjk64 | NgD: caret |
| 14:59.08 | SimonRaven | control key |
| 14:59.09 | mjk64 | abrotman: 8-)) |
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| 14:59.14 | botsy | abrotman, why did you say you love me ? |
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| 14:59.21 | mjk64 | NgD: accent circumflex |
| 14:59.23 | SimonRaven | well, in the context. but it's a caret |
| 14:59.28 | fevel | I cant set my resolution |
| 14:59.36 | martinjh99 | mjk64> I'm logged in over ssh via Putty terminal emulator on Windows. |
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| 14:59.39 | SimonRaven | i can't set my pants |
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| 14:59.45 | fevel | cant get it past 800x600 |
| 15:00.09 | SimonRaven | i can't get it past my knees |
| 15:00.11 | mjk64 | martinjh99: Oh ... well, first I'd try to configure putty's key bindings, and if that is not possible, use bash's "bind". |
| 15:00.32 | martinjh99 | mjk64> never mind - reconfigured Putty... :) |
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| 15:00.40 | martinjh99 | Thanks anyway |
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| 15:00.47 | relajo__ | why every time i try to run grub-install it gives me this error /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly?? |
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| 15:01.04 | SimonRaven | eh, i should tweak mod_perl... |
| 15:01.11 | mjk64 | martinjh99: =) |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | botsy: to see if you were a bot :) |
| 15:01.23 | bizkit | x_: try mplayer -prefer-ipv4 http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls |
| 15:01.24 | botsy | lol ok |
| 15:01.33 | martinjh99 | There was a setting for home keys - rxvt setting worked... |
| 15:01.41 | botsy | no i not a bot .. i'm a newbi it's the same ;) |
| 15:02.25 | x_ | bizkit, didn' help for mplayer |
| 15:02.58 | abrotman | !human |
| 15:02.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, human is alive |
| 15:02.59 | abrotman | doh |
| 15:02.59 | bizkit | x_: give me the output please |
| 15:02.59 | abrotman | !person |
| 15:02.59 | dpkg | i heard person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 15:03.31 | x_ | bizkit, http://rafb.net/paste/results/1fQzz359.html |
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| 15:03.49 | x_ | bizkit, was the output for: mplayer -prefer-ipv4 http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls |
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| 15:03.52 | abrotman | !kill bots! |
| 15:03.57 | CSMan | hello |
| 15:04.00 | CSMan | uhmm |
| 15:04.04 | CSMan | hello. I'm tryng to build a usb network module, i think i included the vendor and product id in config.h , am i missing something? when i load the module the device doesn't get detected |
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| 15:04.21 | abrotman | CSMan: try update-usbids |
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| 15:04.38 | falkon | abrotman: morning |
| 15:04.38 | CSMan | abrotman: what will that do ? |
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| 15:04.51 | abrotman | (though .. that doesn't make any sense .. why i irc before lunch .. i'llnever know) |
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| 15:04.54 | abrotman | falkon: hi |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | CSMan: lsusb .. stuff gets updated |
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| 15:05.06 | Xteven | abrotman : only the last configurred repository is used (meaning: only 1 entry in /etc/apt/sources.list) :( |
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| 15:05.08 | CSMan | abrotman: in the kernel ? |
| 15:05.11 | CSMan | hmmm |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | Xteven: are you still installing ? |
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| 15:05.31 | falkon | abrotman: this sucks. I forgot to --initrd on my kernel build, then I forgot to use fakeroot, so third time doing this... |
| 15:05.38 | tartax | is there anyone who can help me with _fbplash_ |
| 15:05.45 | abrotman | falkon: see .. that's why building a kernel sucks |
| 15:05.55 | azeem | falkon: well, could you not run the clean target? |
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| 15:06.09 | azeem | maybe just fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch works, but I don't do kernel builds a lot |
| 15:06.09 | falkon | abrotman: oh well, it'll be done later |
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| 15:06.15 | Xteven | abrotman : I'm continuously installing :) I'm making a custom debian installation cd with preseed, and I want to add our local repository in addition to a standard debian repository |
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| 15:06.46 | abrotman | Xteven: oh .. uhm .. ok |
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| 15:06.51 | falkon | azeem: built kernel pretty much, then at one point I needed root permissions. I'm going "wtf?" then I realize i didn't use fakeroot |
| 15:06.51 | kingsley | tarzeau: I'm here. |
| 15:06.52 | Xteven | abrotman : the only way to test the cd (that I know of) is booting it and performing an auto install |
| 15:06.59 | x_ | bizkit, xmms-shell http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls output: XMMS is not running under the session identifier ``0'' |
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| 15:07.03 | abrotman | Xteven: have you looked at FAI ? |
| 15:07.14 | bizkit | x_: i see, well it fixed the connection problem you got connected and mplayer tried all entries in the playlist file, without success. but connection was possible. problem now is, stream is a 404 not found. really don't know why, try mplayer -prefer-ipv4 "http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1003" |
| 15:07.14 | tarzeau | kingsley: 11:10 < tarzeau> kingsley: how did you produce the graph? gnuplot? if so how did you make it smooth? |
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| 15:07.26 | bizkit | x_: man xmms-shell |
| 15:07.36 | Xteven | abrotman : yes and no :) I know it exists, but I read that preseeding is better than FAI |
| 15:07.43 | abrotman | !dphys |
| 15:07.44 | dpkg | well, dphys is http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/, or http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys-kernel-packages/ we build kernels with patched in supermount,sk98lin v2,nvnet for p1-1gb p1-smp-1gb p3-1gb p3-smp-1gb p3-smp-4gb p4-1gb p4-4gb p4-smp-4gb p4-smp-64gb k7-1gb k7-4gb k7-64gb k7-smp-4gb k7-smp-64gb and modules for 3w-9xxx, NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-7174, alsa-driver-1.0.10, openafs-1.4.0, vmware-modules-4.5.2 |
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| 15:07.50 | kingsley | tarzeau: Yes, I used gnuplot. |
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| 15:07.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: added a few things ? |
| 15:08.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: where what? |
| 15:08.15 | nvz | these fuckers, first they decline my payment saying my security code is wrong (wasn't it was the month of the experation date was accidentally set one off) then it declines it because I placed an order less than 900sec ago.. wtf. if it was declined then there was no order, ffs |
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| 15:08.17 | x_ | bizkit, the same |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: !dphys |
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| 15:08.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah, but some other packages to main :) |
| 15:08.43 | x_ | bizkit, check: http://64.236.34.97/stream/1003 |
| 15:08.46 | nvz | they are lucky I got lawyers and protection on my credit card.. I better not find triplicate charges or I will be owning this damn place |
| 15:09.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: check debian new queue and opencubicplayer, mazeofgalious |
| 15:09.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you DD-ized ? |
| 15:09.13 | jbroome | nvz: they better not take your red stapler either |
| 15:09.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, i prefer to play nethack |
| 15:09.20 | tartax | does no one knows how to handle fbsplash |
| 15:09.22 | tartax | ß |
| 15:09.22 | nvz | jbroome: you got that right. |
| 15:09.23 | x_ | bizkit, and read: Error: ICY-Server couldn't find requested stream, skipping! |
| 15:09.23 | x_ | Unable to open URL: http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1003 in the pastebin URL I did gave you |
| 15:09.24 | tartax | ? |
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| 15:09.32 | x_ | bizkit, there's the problem |
| 15:09.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you fix libdiscover and python scripts? |
| 15:09.35 | LightAngel | folks, I have a question. If I install debian on my PC and then insert it into a server, it will work properly? |
| 15:09.37 | nvz | jbroome: I burnt places to the ground for less. |
| 15:09.51 | jbroome | i specifically said "NO SALT" |
| 15:09.53 | tarzeau | LightAngel: if it's both i386, chances are good it will |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: can anyone fix discover? :) |
| 15:09.56 | nvz | dpkg 900/60 |
| 15:09.57 | dpkg | 15 |
| 15:09.57 | NgD | what's the name of the simbol which is in the upside of this word: "ééééééé" ? |
| 15:10.01 | x_ | bizkit, but it works great with xmms |
| 15:10.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: i need it for ging (live cd of gnu/kfreebsd) |
| 15:10.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: my python is lacking |
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| 15:10.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: leaking, you mean? |
| 15:10.30 | x_ | bizkit, but I have to download the playlist first then for xmms |
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| 15:10.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. that's my ear |
| 15:10.57 | NgD | what's the name of the simbol which is in the upside of this word: "ééééééé" ?? |
| 15:10.59 | kingsley | tarzeau: However, if I were to play devil's advocate, I'd say that the graph doesn't look particularly smooth, at least to me. I certainly didn't do anything special to smooth it. |
| 15:11.09 | selfcontr0l | ok i'm back...runnin 2.6 now, but i had to use -386 instead of -686 |
| 15:11.14 | NgD | what's the name of the simbol which is in the upside of this word: "ééééééé" ??????? |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | NgD: ask again |
| 15:11.24 | tarzeau | NgD: can you stop repeating? |
| 15:11.31 | NgD | tartax, can you answer/ |
| 15:11.32 | NgD | ? |
| 15:11.42 | selfcontr0l | i couldn't for the life of me get my nvidia drivers to load...any ideas on that? |
| 15:11.42 | jbroome | NgD: fourth time's the charm.. honest |
| 15:11.45 | tarzeau | NgD: no, i don't feel like answering |
| 15:11.54 | nvz | NgD: looks like a backwards apostrophe to me |
| 15:11.55 | ircdevil | NgD: google for it |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | NgD: ask a channel that deals with that language .. or use google .. that character doesn't exist in english |
| 15:12.02 | nvz | NgD: they just call it an accent AFAIK |
| 15:12.02 | x_ | bizkit, ok, check this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cfMgGC26.html |
| 15:12.11 | NgD | tartax, just because you are not answering, you will feel like answering when you do, believe me |
| 15:12.16 | nvz | NgD: thats what it was called in any language I ever studied |
| 15:12.18 | Ronin | nvz: if its french they have names for them depending on which way they go |
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| 15:12.26 | tarzeau | Ronin: egu and grave |
| 15:12.29 | abrotman | NgD: were you beaten as a child ? |
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| 15:12.33 | selfcontr0l | heh |
| 15:12.43 | jbroome | abrotman: maybe he should have been |
| 15:12.45 | NgD | Hey. did I ask to you all?if you don't know the answer shut the foukz up kay? |
| 15:12.45 | Ronin | tarzeau: yep those are the ones :) someones paid attention in french class |
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| 15:12.46 | tarzeau | NgD: i am tarzeau not tartax |
| 15:12.47 | NgD | what's the name of the simbol which is in the upside of this word: "ééééééé" ???????? |
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| 15:12.53 | NgD | tartax, who cares? |
| 15:12.54 | tarzeau | NgD: fuck off |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | NgD: go away please |
| 15:13.02 | NgD | abrotman, make me |
| 15:13.02 | tartax | NgD: in frensch its the "acson graph" |
| 15:13.04 | stewpid | i've read ~5 crontab tutorials now, none of which tell me how to crontab things every minute :x |
| 15:13.07 | ircdevil | nvz: you must be pretty tired in the cheeks afterwards? and quite soar-skinned? |
| 15:13.08 | nvz | tarzeau: be nice. |
| 15:13.09 | pureone | damn drunks |
| 15:13.11 | abrotman | NgD: go away please |
| 15:13.11 | tarzeau | nvz: i am |
| 15:13.12 | stewpid | anyone able to enlighten me? |
| 15:13.15 | NgD | tartax, I thought I've aksed it in english |
| 15:13.20 | destr0__ | wasn't there a postfix/debian how - to link in the channel topic message? |
| 15:13.24 | NgD | abrotman, go away you |
| 15:13.34 | abrotman | NgD: it's NOT a debian question .. please leave |
| 15:13.34 | streuner | destr0__: no, never |
| 15:13.34 | nvz | NgD: you've been answered. now quit repeating please. Or you will be silenced |
| 15:13.35 | tartax | but i dont know its name in englisch, |
| 15:13.36 | Ronin | NgD: you did but in english that symbol doesn't exist so how would we know |
| 15:13.50 | stewpid | can we please stop picking on NgD and answer my question :( |
| 15:13.57 | abrotman | !postfix howto |
| 15:13.57 | dpkg | well, postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 15:14.05 | stewpid | i need to know what to replace the * * * * * in crontab with for running the command every minute |
| 15:14.13 | tarzeau | kingsley: can you put the data that you used for gnuplot online too? |
| 15:14.15 | abrotman | stewpid: */60 ? |
| 15:14.20 | tarzeau | stewpid: */1 |
| 15:14.23 | abrotman | doh! |
| 15:14.24 | nvz | stewpid: you should have just read the man/info pages |
| 15:14.24 | selfcontr0l | quick kernel image + nvidia drivers question here |
| 15:14.25 | stewpid | which is it? |
| 15:14.32 | kingsley | NgD: Hold on.... |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | stewpid: i guarantee this is in the man page |
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| 15:14.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: if only cron could do seconds... |
| 15:14.39 | abrotman | kingsley: don't you dare |
| 15:14.40 | streuner | destr0__: there is at this URL HOWTO for version 1 or 2, but if you want just google for 'SMTP HOWTO'... |
| 15:14.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: then it would be like a real live bad thing |
| 15:15.10 | NgD | fouck debian, I use slackware, which is good enough :) but anyway, I need the answer, if anoyone, I mean anyone with brain cells who knows the english name for this simbol upside this word "éééé" please tell me, if you don't know you shut up dear kid, thanks |
| 15:15.14 | abrotman | kingsley: comeon .. it's not remotely debian related .. and google should know the answer in two seconds |
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| 15:15.20 | abrotman | !ops ngd trolling asking offotpic repeating |
| 15:15.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ngd trolling asking offotpic repeating |
| 15:15.24 | Ronin | yep and another wanker on ignore |
| 15:15.29 | kingsley | tarzeau: The most recent data is already on-line. It's linked from the graph page. |
| 15:15.41 | Xteven | hmm FAI looks complicated: you need to setup dhcpd, tftpd and nfsd, then add the mac-address of the client to the dhcpd configfile |
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| 15:15.45 | nvz | abrotman: like my modification to the ops factoid? |
| 15:15.47 | tarzeau | Ronin: i wish your /ignores would also work for me |
| 15:15.48 | tartax | ahhhh dont anyone ever istalled fbplash? |
| 15:15.49 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
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| 15:15.56 | Xteven | plus you need a local debian mirror |
| 15:15.58 | abrotman | erm .. kind of |
| 15:15.59 | helix | waah it's back |
| 15:16.04 | NgD | they don't know the BAN button aswell |
| 15:16.05 | Xteven | *shiver* :) |
| 15:16.17 | abrotman | nvz: i saw you make it |
| 15:16.22 | helix | NgD: I didn't think you'd auto-rejoin |
| 15:16.23 | NgD | what's the name of the simbol which is in the upside of this word: "ééééééé" ??????? |
| 15:16.28 | nvz | abrotman: oh |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | nvz: should have made it "greycat(MIA)" |
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| 15:16.38 | bizkit | x_: try to install w32codecs |
| 15:16.39 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 15:16.46 | kingsley | NgD: According to wikipedia, it's an "acute accent". |
| 15:16.52 | Ronin | someone buy helix a pint :) |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | kingsley: he's very gone now |
| 15:16.54 | ircdevil | kingsley: too late |
| 15:16.58 | selfcontr0l | quick kernel image + nvidia drivers question here |
| 15:17.00 | tarzeau | kingsley: too late |
| 15:17.03 | ircdevil | !beer helix |
| 15:17.05 | helix | abrotman: you have to !helixsnack foo |
| 15:17.17 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I got em listed as POW/MIA in my report I am doing |
| 15:17.20 | abrotman | !helixsnack helix |
| 15:17.24 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:17.43 | abrotman | helix: i thought it would only give it to you |
| 15:17.46 | x_ | bizkit, obsoleted |
| 15:17.48 | helix | nah |
| 15:17.50 | helix | but thanks :) |
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| 15:18.04 | paulswm | :beer abrotman |
| 15:18.07 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 15:18.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:18.16 | selfcontr0l | ok so i started with 2.4 and finally got my nvidia X drivers working, so i decided to upgrade to kernel version 2.6....asked if i should use -386 or -686, and was told -686 |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: what is your CPU ? |
| 15:18.30 | nvz | abrotman: I got about 30 or so potential canidates listed.. I am narrowing them down by different characteristics.. mostly their overall temperature, seniority, and estimated daily presence. |
| 15:18.31 | selfcontr0l | when i used the 686 version i couldn't load X |
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| 15:18.53 | nvz | abrotman: in terms of debstats, we are lacking in the yellow area.. and several people including yourself have a high daily presence in that area |
| 15:18.54 | selfcontr0l | nvidia drivers kept giving me error something about kernel build |
| 15:19.10 | selfcontr0l | athlon 3200+ |
| 15:19.13 | selfcontr0l | non 64 |
| 15:19.14 | tomiq | please do you know how to add ide disk suport while in my initrd is scsi? |
| 15:19.16 | nvz | abrotman: thats 6am-11:59am our time |
| 15:19.17 | abrotman | nvz: you sohuld ask kingsley for some kind of stats on bans and the time of day they happen |
| 15:19.30 | paulswm | selfcontr0l: That's a k7 |
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| 15:19.46 | paulswm | not a 686 |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | nvz: ie .. bans happen mostly from 18GMT to 6GMT the following day etc |
| 15:19.52 | selfcontr0l | i couldn't find 2.6-k7 anywhere in the apt-cache search stuff |
| 15:19.59 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 15:20.00 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 15:20.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: but does that show bans by time of day ? |
| 15:20.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: and correlate it with the four timechunks on debstats? (color wise) |
| 15:20.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: no of course not |
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| 15:20.30 | paulswm | selfcontr0l: linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 15:20.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's what i meant for nvz .. so he can see when coverage is lacking |
| 15:20.39 | nvz | abrotman: I am not so much concerned.. I thik all of our active ops are really good. some are showing signs of wear like greycat.. but they are all doing a good job.. they are just busy and disgusted with #debian. I cant blame em in either case. |
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| 15:20.51 | paulswm | selfcontr0l: or linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | nvz: that's not wear :) |
| 15:21.05 | nvz | abrotman: I am just as far as staff, ops, and pow/mia go, keeping track of their daily presence and stuf like that |
| 15:21.19 | nvz | abrotman: so I can use that info to recommend people to fill in |
| 15:21.19 | paulswm | selfcontr0l: that's in etch, there must be one in sarge also if you're running sarge |
| 15:21.19 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 15:21.29 | abrotman | nvz: i nominate paulswm! |
| 15:21.33 | nvz | abrotman: I am not trying to beat up on the ops, by any means |
| 15:21.40 | selfcontr0l | only ones listed for me (using sarge) are -386 -686 and -686smp |
| 15:21.42 | paulswm | selfcontr0l: apt-cache search image k7 |
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| 15:22.16 | selfcontr0l | the k7s are listed for the 2.4 |
| 15:22.21 | nvz | abrotman: he's not even on my radar yet.. I've not made too much progress yet and only compiled stats from this month so far |
| 15:22.22 | darkness_ | Is their any benefit from upgrading sarge >> sid? |
| 15:22.23 | selfcontr0l | which is why i'm confused |
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| 15:22.24 | abrotman | nvz: right .. but showing when bans happen might be a good indicator of when coverage is lacking |
| 15:22.28 | paulswm | abrotman: I never volunteer for anything |
| 15:22.38 | abrotman | paulswm: this isn't a volunteer position :) |
| 15:22.38 | relajo__ | why every time i try to run grub-install it gives me this error /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly?? |
| 15:22.45 | x_ | This means that, for example, if a user issues the following command: $ mplayer |
| 15:22.45 | x_ | http://www.somesite.com/somefile.mpg the owner of www.somesite.com may be ... marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=108066964709058 |
| 15:22.46 | nvz | paulswm: think of it as being kidnapped and held for ransom then |
| 15:22.48 | Marticus | which radius server is recommended? |
| 15:22.51 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: paste your sources in #flood |
| 15:22.55 | Marticus | cistron or livningston |
| 15:23.00 | tarzeau | Marticus: which exist? |
| 15:23.17 | Marticus | I see a package for both |
| 15:23.21 | selfcontr0l | heh yeah that would be my next question...what should it be :) |
| 15:23.25 | paulswm | nvz: Heh, my father, when he was an army officer, used to say "I need three volunteers - you, you and you." |
| 15:23.26 | sandman | Would running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade be abusive to the debian server? |
| 15:23.30 | sandman | I mean |
| 15:23.33 | sandman | Doing that on an hourly basis |
| 15:23.35 | Marticus | tarzeau: there is a package for both |
| 15:23.37 | tarzeau | Marticus: and freeradius? yardradius. well try them out |
| 15:23.55 | nvz | abrotman: and of course I need to ask to speak with all of these people to see what their thoughts are on the whole thing they may not be interested.. and maybe they can just give some insight that would be helpful and can play a crucial catalyst role in turning things around |
| 15:24.02 | selfcontr0l | pasted: done |
| 15:24.04 | Marticus | oh yeah I See those now |
| 15:24.05 | darkness_ | sandman: Why do it on an hourly basis? |
| 15:24.18 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: that's why you have no k7 .. use apt-setup .. pick an http source (you have broadband right?) |
| 15:24.26 | Marticus | I know nothing of radius, I was thinking someone could recommend one for quick and easy setup |
| 15:24.27 | sandman | darkness_: I don't know. For safety? |
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| 15:24.52 | selfcontr0l | ok heh..i guess i didn't follow all the instructions... i'm prolly gonna get a book for newbies.... :) |
| 15:25.00 | nvz | abrotman: I think we can at least use a few extra hands for the holidays and its a good excuse to have a probationary period of trying new things just to see. |
| 15:25.02 | darkness_ | sandman: Thats getting paranoid. If someone is that good they will get in :-) |
| 15:25.25 | paulswm | nvz: I'm not here often enough to be useful for anything. I pretty much gave up on this chan when the Correctness Cops showed up |
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| 15:25.28 | darkness_ | How is Sid compared to sarge. Worth the time to upgrade kernel? |
| 15:25.30 | selfcontr0l | why don't i have apt-setup? |
| 15:25.33 | RelAj0 | why every time i try to run grub-install it gives me this error /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly?? |
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| 15:26.42 | nvz | paulswm: heh. well like I said, you arent even on my list of potential canidates.. neither am I |
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| 15:27.14 | selfcontr0l | abrotman: i don't have apt-setup...should i? |
| 15:27.22 | sandman | So now we have directories like cron.daily to make things easier? |
| 15:27.32 | azeem | selfcontr0l: yes, tried sudo apt-setup? |
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| 15:27.57 | bbrazil | sandman: I imagine it also reduces the number of jobs running at once |
| 15:28.09 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: are you root ? |
| 15:28.18 | abrotman | sandman: we've had them for a long time :) |
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| 15:28.39 | selfcontr0l | you guys are geniuses!!! hehe |
| 15:28.39 | tomiq | please do you know how to add ide disk suport while in my initrd is scsi? |
| 15:28.40 | sandman | bbrazil: So if I want my system t run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on a daily basis, just toss it into a file in /etc/cron.daily? |
| 15:28.40 | nvz | paulswm: I've only compiled stats for this month and been concentrating first on presence.. people like abrotman, guerin .et.al are here a _lot_ and during the times our coverage is low. now people like guerin for instance.. real sharp cat, but gets too hot to be much use.. abrotman is being a bit too political about it as well as other people.. this is a proposal to try and improve things.. its not a democratic election.. |
| 15:28.59 | selfcontr0l | i forget sometimes that some commands only show up as root |
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| 15:29.31 | abrotman | !qotd155 |
| 15:29.32 | dpkg | i heard qotd155 is <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
| 15:29.42 | pureone | selfcontr0l set $PATH to include /usr/sbin and /sbin |
| 15:29.43 | npx | hahaha |
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| 15:29.46 | iksivce | anyone running debian on alpha? |
| 15:29.54 | npx | mmm alpha |
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| 15:30.06 | npx | they had the cool processor naming thing down pat back in the day |
| 15:30.08 | bbrazil | sandman: use cron-apt for that |
| 15:30.20 | bbrazil | sandman: but, in general yes |
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| 15:30.20 | selfcontr0l | pureone: i got apt-setup after using su....should i still set that path? |
| 15:30.24 | nvz | paulswm: same reason I am not a good canidate.. it would be too controversial. most people like me, and when I am _on_ they appreciate the help.. but with the way I can be sometimes when its slow would make me nothing short of a hypocrite to tell other people how to act |
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| 15:30.54 | iksivce | im trying to install debian on alpha but the debian installer seems to have a problem detecting my CD ROM drive |
| 15:31.00 | npx | I nominate myself |
| 15:31.13 | npx | #debian : you've got questions, I've got weed |
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| 15:31.21 | paulswm | nvz: I agree with the original concept of reducing the amount of abusive behavious, in fact a couple of years (I think) ago, I was well and truly pounded in here for complaining about attitudes, but I gave up because I thought that the approach was counter productive, as it has indeed turned out to be. |
| 15:31.26 | nvz | paulswm: if I were to help out, I would naturally act a bit different, I would shut up more.. b.s. in some other channel, but still I think there are better people out there if they are up for it, and EE thinks its worth a shot |
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| 15:31.32 | iksivce | npx : youre not the only one with weed . |
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| 15:32.01 | azeem | nvz: oh, you managed to contact EE? |
| 15:32.19 | nvz | azeem: no, I am not going to hunt him down without having a pretty good plan |
| 15:32.22 | x_ | iksivce, nope, his not ;) |
| 15:32.24 | paulswm | npx: pass it over here then :P |
| 15:32.49 | azeem | nvz: oh, ok. Misparsed that |
| 15:33.11 | pureone | selfcontr0l: i would it can save a bit of time now and again,but you will still need to be root to run apt |
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| 15:33.34 | Jon` | i'm trying to install debian on a machine that originally had redhat 9 on it |
| 15:33.37 | simmy | I did an apt-get upgrade on SID today and now KDE's borked. Looks like the thing is in mid-upgrade. Any idea when new packages are expected to be up to the mirrors? |
| 15:33.43 | Jon` | but when i put in the first debian disc, it brings up the boot menu for redhat |
| 15:33.51 | Jon` | even though something happened with our redhat install and i cant get into it |
| 15:33.58 | azeem | Jon`: did you change your BIOS to boot from CDROM? |
| 15:33.59 | Jon` | i can get into the grub> prompt though, but that's about it at this point |
| 15:33.59 | nvz | azeem: I am not just going to be like some other people and bother him just to nominate myself to kick all 40,000+ yearly inhabitants in the ass.. its not really what we need. most of all we need a complete change of behavior new, old, big, small..everyone.. just need two things I think to accomplish this.. |
| 15:34.03 | Jon` | azeem, yes |
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| 15:34.25 | Jon` | even if i manually tell the computer to boot from the CD, the redhat boot menu still pops up |
| 15:34.27 | pureone | simmy maybe a week or so i donno |
| 15:34.32 | azeem | nvz: yeah, I agree |
| 15:34.36 | nvz | azeem: better op coverage all day to help keep the true fucktards under control so not to raise channel temp, and some good role models to help people learn better behavior |
| 15:34.48 | azeem | *nod* |
| 15:34.50 | nvz | azeem: putting new ops in isnt going to be a solution |
| 15:34.52 | npx | hahaha |
| 15:35.05 | npx | adopt-a-nerd foundation? |
| 15:35.10 | simmy | So I get to live in WM for an unknown amount of time. Could be worse. |
| 15:35.23 | pureone | use fluxbox ;) |
| 15:35.23 | Jon` | is there a way i could maybe install from the grub prompt? |
| 15:35.35 | Jon` | or some way to format redhat completely off easily? |
| 15:35.42 | va | I installed apache2, php4, libapache2-mod-php4 but i'm still being offered to download my hello.php. Where should I look? |
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| 15:35.48 | simmy | Never used fluxbox.... |
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| 15:35.54 | azeem | Jon`: well, if the CD doesn't boot, that sounds like a hardware/BIOS problem |
| 15:35.55 | pureone | simmy try it :) |
| 15:36.03 | va | that's all in sarge |
| 15:36.12 | simmy | It's worth a shot. Maybe I won't care if KDE's broke, then. :D |
| 15:36.12 | pureone | va grep php /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 15:36.13 | azeem | Jon`: you could still try to invoke debtakeover on your RedHat install |
| 15:36.15 | Jon` | azeem, any other boot CD works fine |
| 15:36.26 | azeem | Jon`: then maybe the burn was corrupted |
| 15:36.27 | Jon` | how do i go about doing that? |
| 15:36.32 | azeem | !debtakeover |
| 15:36.32 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 15:36.33 | simmy | wow... it's TINY! |
| 15:37.05 | pureone | yes :P |
| 15:37.10 | azeem | Jon`: however, it's hackish and unsupported. I suggest you try to burn another ISO first |
| 15:37.13 | pureone | basic and to the point |
| 15:37.14 | simmy | here goes nothing.... |
| 15:37.21 | azeem | Jon`: did you verify the md5sum? |
| 15:37.29 | Jon` | azeem, no |
| 15:37.29 | va | pureone: 3 lines, DirectoryIndex ... index.php... and 2 commented out AddType lines. Should i try to uncomment those? |
| 15:37.33 | selfcontr0l | pureone: if i say PATH=PATH;/usr/sbin;/sbin would that work? or would that mess something up... and is that variable saved from session to session? i.e. reboot or do i have to set it in a config file |
| 15:37.43 | azeem | selfcontr0l: man bash |
| 15:37.44 | Jon` | never had a problem with linux ISOs before so i didn't really think it would've been an issue |
| 15:37.47 | selfcontr0l | i'm just learning the terminology |
| 15:37.50 | valdyn | selfcontr0l: no |
| 15:37.50 | azeem | selfcontr0l: it is PATH=$PATH: |
| 15:38.01 | pureone | ^^ |
| 15:38.06 | azeem | selfcontr0l: and you need to export the env variable |
| 15:38.11 | pureone | va i belive Addtype |
| 15:38.19 | va | pureone: uncommenting those AddType doesn't help |
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| 15:38.22 | selfcontr0l | ic |
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| 15:38.26 | va | i did restart apache |
| 15:38.27 | pureone | did you restart apache? |
| 15:38.30 | pureone | ok |
| 15:39.01 | selfcontr0l | i'll look up info on export and path and bash |
| 15:39.02 | pureone | no idea then, been a while since i set up my apache server |
| 15:39.04 | Jon` | and as far as debtakeover goes, i cant even get into redhat because of some init x error |
| 15:39.09 | nvz | bottom line is the moment I or anyone else tries to change this situation out of personal interest is when the effort becomes futile |
| 15:39.14 | azeem | Jon`: oh |
| 15:39.21 | pureone | selfcontr0l: type "export" in a term |
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| 15:39.32 | nvz | have to do it for the overall good of the group whatever it takes |
| 15:39.36 | norskfjord | hi, Im trying to install bootsplash |
| 15:39.36 | tomiq | please do you know how to add ide disk suport while in my initrd is scsi? |
| 15:39.36 | selfcontr0l | oh i already have those in the path |
| 15:39.38 | pureone | it will show you all the varibles |
| 15:39.39 | selfcontr0l | as su |
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| 15:39.43 | azeem | nvz: well, I think the awareness of #d and its importance in the Debian project has risen in the recent past |
| 15:39.47 | norskfjord | now I it says I need to edit grub |
| 15:39.52 | pureone | yes thats roots enviroment |
| 15:39.53 | valdyn | Jon`: if your computer cannot boot from your cdrom despite you setting it to do so in the bios, then you probably have bigger issues |
| 15:39.55 | norskfjord | where can i find the file? |
| 15:39.57 | loick | Hi everybody |
| 15:39.58 | azeem | nvz: so I think that mid-term, more people might come back and chime in |
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| 15:40.13 | pureone | also look at /etc/profile |
| 15:40.21 | norskfjord | to change the console resolution ect |
| 15:40.31 | Jon` | valdyn, it's booted fine from other CDs before |
| 15:40.37 | darkness_ | I'm planning on starting a OU course in web design and would like to work on code at home on my apache2 server. Now when i type in my domain name i get my router access. Do i need to change the etc/hosts file? |
| 15:40.38 | loick | i have a question for unix gurus |
| 15:40.42 | nvz | azeem: debian grows at an extremly alarming rate.. I've been following for about 5 years, and with every release period which is ususally about 2 years.. we double.. in software, in developers, in newbies.. everything.. it doubles or better each cycle |
| 15:40.51 | norskfjord | hello? |
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| 15:41.24 | Jon` | i guess ill just try reburning though |
| 15:41.33 | azeem | nvz: yes, but Ubuntu has gladly accepted a lot of newbie users, so maybe it is not as bad from a support POV |
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| 15:41.41 | loick | i just set up my bind9 server. of course it's able to resolve domain names. but after looking in the configuration file i dont see my server linked to any other DNS servers or to any database, so anyone could tell me how does it manage to resolve domains ? |
| 15:41.44 | nvz | azeem: its a true test of massive sociological proportions for everyone to get along well enough to keep progressing |
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| 15:42.09 | tarzeau | if you sell a book with text in it. do you sell the material or the text? |
| 15:42.14 | Guilherme | not only newbie users, azeem |
| 15:42.19 | allison | text |
| 15:42.23 | allison | I think |
| 15:42.28 | azeem | Guilherme: but those matter in this discussion |
| 15:42.50 | tarzeau | allison: but you can't sell just the text without the book, can you? |
| 15:42.56 | Guilherme | hehe, i got it on the middle |
| 15:42.58 | jethro | loick: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/rfc/ |
| 15:43.03 | allison | well thats a question of the material > |
| 15:43.22 | allison | I would rather think that u r selling what is in the texts ! |
| 15:43.24 | simmy | pureone : Now that I'm in fluxbox.... i've got a black on white xterm... What file do I need to edit in order to change the command to make this thing white on black? |
| 15:43.34 | norskfjord | hi, Im trying to install bootsplash and I need to edit my grub config, to change the console resolution ect, where can I find it? |
| 15:43.38 | simmy | ah... .fluxbox/menu |
| 15:43.49 | darkness_ | How do you get your domain to point locally to your web placeholder instead of pointing to your router? |
| 15:43.54 | valdyn | loick: its probably using gethostbyname(), which would lead to your nameserver from /etc/resolv.conf being queried |
| 15:43.56 | selfcontr0l | azeem: when i set the PATH and then exported it, i closed the xterm and started a new one and the PATH was reset... when will it "stick"? |
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| 15:44.14 | azeem | selfcontr0l: you need to put it into one of your shell's startup files |
| 15:44.14 | bsims | Anyone else have Konq crash on file browsing? |
| 15:44.18 | tarzeau | allison: oh well some licenses just suck |
| 15:44.21 | allison | how do I get my slsk client(nicotine) working ? |
| 15:44.25 | azeem | selfcontr0l: they are sources on each login/invocation of the shell |
| 15:44.26 | selfcontr0l | ... "one of" ? heh |
| 15:44.27 | allison | lol |
| 15:44.27 | pureone | simmy ~/.fluxbox/menu i belive, also man xterm |
| 15:44.31 | Akbar | selfcontr0l, .bashrc |
| 15:44.31 | loick | the point valdyn is the entries in my /etc/resolv.conf are my bind9 server itself hehe |
| 15:44.34 | stew | bsims: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:44.38 | nvz | azeem: thats a good thing to use as an example. THe thing is we are all here because we are very intelligent people who are grooving on a common knowledge. sometimes we let one concrete fact like Ubuntu is not debian get in the way of truly soaking in the situation. what really can you gain from telling these people ubuntu is not debian? |
| 15:44.43 | azeem | selfcontr0l: usually, ~/.bashrc, or ~/.bash_profile (the latter one is for true logins) |
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| 15:44.51 | selfcontr0l | damn i have a lot to learn |
| 15:44.57 | bsims | stew: I did, but it hasn't shown up on the website yet... natch |
| 15:45.05 | jethro | loick: just read a bunch of RFC to understand how dns work |
| 15:45.05 | selfcontr0l | so what does export do then, again? |
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| 15:45.12 | Akbar | selfcontr0l, learning about linux is fun :) |
| 15:45.13 | Jon` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.20 | allison | tarzeau > I am an ubuntu noob |
| 15:45.23 | azeem | nvz: well, my opinion on this is that I think telling people off immediately is somewhat rude |
| 15:45.30 | Jon` | err bootable* |
| 15:45.31 | valdyn | loick: which program did you use to test name lookups? |
| 15:45.35 | stew | selfcontr0l: "help export" |
| 15:45.41 | loick | ping ... |
| 15:45.44 | selfcontr0l | Akbar: at least i can move around in vi heh :) |
| 15:45.47 | jethro | hahah |
| 15:45.48 | pureone | pong |
| 15:45.53 | selfcontr0l | stew: i did that...didn't understand it |
| 15:45.58 | Akbar | selfcontr0l, I use nano :P |
| 15:46.02 | loick | if i stop my dns server, ping can t resolv anything |
| 15:46.04 | bsims | selfcontr0l: vim is your god now <Bwahahaha> |
| 15:46.08 | azeem | nvz: if somebody wants to answer their question, so be it. If their question is clearly Ubuntu-specific or if they are repeating theirselves or demand answers, they should be sent to #u |
| 15:46.10 | pureone | !start a editor war |
| 15:46.13 | allison | tarzeau > r u a copywriter ? |
| 15:46.17 | loick | if i turn it on, ping can resolv, so i guess my dns server works :) |
| 15:46.18 | pureone | :( |
| 15:46.23 | selfcontr0l | bsims: heh i admit i like the hjkl now ;) |
| 15:46.23 | Akbar | nano is really easy to use :P |
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| 15:46.28 | azeem | nvz: but I accept this chan's policy |
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| 15:46.33 | nvz | azeem: best case scenario they just understand and go where they need to be.. this rarely happens especially with the tone people take toward them. it usually triggers a personal defence reaction.. these people arent completly ignorant they know that debian and ubuntu are different.. |
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| 15:46.42 | loick | going to read a bit of the dns rfc, hope i can get some answers :) |
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| 15:46.44 | Akbar | :wq |
| 15:46.45 | stew | selfcontr0l: if you don't export a variable it will only exist in that shell or script that the variable was set it, if that script calls another the called script wont have the un-exported variable |
| 15:46.45 | simmy | Ah.... a white-on-black xterm... That's MUCH better! |
| 15:46.47 | Akbar | :P |
| 15:46.52 | bsims | selfcontr0l: I am lame I use the arrow keys mostly, but Nethack is good training for them |
| 15:46.57 | simmy | It's amazing how set in our ways we get with certain things. |
| 15:47.00 | loick | actually i feel like there is some kind of magic in this server |
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| 15:47.05 | allison | nvz > but isn't unbuntu based on debian ? |
| 15:47.09 | tarzeau | allison: no, i've read this http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=OFL and 1) makes it not go into main |
| 15:47.11 | azeem | nvz: their first line in #ubuntu also will be: "So, these dorks from #d told me to go here" |
| 15:47.15 | azeem | but oh well |
| 15:47.21 | jethro | loick: there's no magic, but in depth explaination of DNS is not really on topic in #debian |
| 15:47.22 | nvz | azeem: they need help in understanding and if their presence causes you to get so heated you cant educate them, whats the point of opening your mouth other than to be part of the problem/ |
| 15:47.22 | Akbar | who wants to trade their geforce for my radeon 9600SE :P |
| 15:47.24 | bsims | simmy: try mrxvt a tabbable, truly transparent rxvt |
| 15:47.24 | azeem | allison: yes, but they do a lot things differently |
| 15:47.29 | never | can anyone recommend good HOWTO in openMosix setup on Debian? |
| 15:47.37 | azeem | nvz: right :) |
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| 15:47.40 | never | so it will be "The Right Way" (tm) |
| 15:47.41 | valdyn | loick: what does 'dig somename | grep SERVER' tell? |
| 15:47.51 | pureone | simmy its good to try other things |
| 15:47.57 | bsims | azeem: it's pretty much a fork when packages don't cross install right? |
| 15:48.00 | allison | I am just a noob....have tried to work with suse...but it got me nowhere...now I am liking ubuntu |
| 15:48.04 | nvz | allison: debian contains a package called bootcd which can take a debian system running on a hd and put it onto a live cd and then even take it back onto another hd.. this is how all the live distros based on debian came to be. |
| 15:48.06 | simmy | I don't really care about transparency and other eye candy. This is my work box. I just need it to work. :) |
| 15:48.10 | azeem | bsims: lets not get into terminology, please |
| 15:48.14 | fireba11 | Akbar: no thanks .. my 9500pro is working just fine |
| 15:48.15 | paulswm | allison: The point really being that ubuntu isn't debian, even if they are almost exaclty the same, and supporting ubuntu here would take time and the losers would be the debian users with questions :) |
| 15:48.19 | simmy | if I cared about things looking prety, I'd clean up my desk, first. :D |
| 15:48.28 | pureone | hehe |
| 15:48.30 | Akbar | I hate ati :) |
| 15:48.31 | nvz | allison: however they are free to add in non-debian stuff, and they dont have to comply with _any_ of our policies.. so they can differ in any number of ways |
| 15:48.38 | paulswm | And, of course, they *aren't* almost exactly the same |
| 15:48.40 | allison | ok > |
| 15:48.43 | bsims | simmy: it does work just fine, fast, usefull, sucks less |
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| 15:48.44 | takatumi | allison: out of curiosity, why aren't you in #ubuntu? |
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| 15:49.04 | pureone | i dont even see my desktop anyway, ive always got a browser konsole and xchat open |
| 15:49.07 | allison | well, I am trying to log into that server > can't get in |
| 15:49.07 | Akbar | no wait I hate fglrx :) |
| 15:49.13 | abrotman | nvz: i'm still of the opinion with ubuntu .. either go to #ubuntu .. or install debian .. same reason #fedora wouldn't want to answer Suse/MDK/Turbo questions etc |
| 15:49.17 | nvz | allison: fundamentally though a lot of the questions we get are general linux questions and could be answered easily by the vast majority of #debian's inhabitants |
| 15:49.20 | Ronin | allison: its /join #ubuntu |
| 15:49.25 | selfcontr0l | brb |
| 15:49.26 | l3m | i have a textfile with rows of 3 floats, x y z, unsorted. i need to sort them after the first row, then the second.... what unix tools would you suggest for this? |
| 15:49.29 | jethro | loick: to keep it simple, anytime you'll try to resolve host.foo.org, your DNS will ask the root servers who is authoritative for the .org TLD, then ask the authoritative server for the .org TLD who is authoritative for the domain foo.org, than ask the authoritative domain for foo.org what the A record for host.foo.org is. |
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| 15:49.33 | abrotman | nvz: seem .. i'm a bad man :) |
| 15:49.35 | allison | I second that> nvz |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | err see |
| 15:49.37 | paulswm | abrotman: "But XP has windows too" :P |
| 15:49.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:49.42 | Akbar | lol |
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| 15:50.11 | nvz | abrotman: thats neither here nor there. thats opinion. it neither makes you feel any better to draw that line, or solves any of the problems at hand. |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | nvz: it solves my problem :) |
| 15:50.46 | pureone | l3m mabe "sort" is what you want? |
| 15:50.47 | abrotman | mmm .. who votes chinese for lunch?!!? |
| 15:50.52 | pureone | maybe* |
| 15:51.04 | abrotman | nvz: but hey .. i'm all for more ops .. |
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| 15:51.06 | allison | nah > I'm having french ...... |
| 15:51.15 | Ronin | abrotman: me im always up for chinese food |
| 15:51.17 | abrotman | are they cute ? |
| 15:51.21 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, it has my vote, if it's an all you can eat Chinese buffet place :) |
| 15:51.29 | allison | lol |
| 15:51.35 | Ronin | abrotman: but quality chinese not white folks chinese |
| 15:51.38 | abrotman | paulswm: hrm .. no .. i think i'll be doing pepper steak .. or beef/string beans |
| 15:51.43 | nvz | abrotman: thats what I mean by people like all of us.. we are so smart we sometimes forget to think. you reach one concrete fact and you stand there defending it until someone else proves you wrong. sometimes you have to think more than one step ahead. sometimes you just have to look at things from more than one perspective. |
| 15:51.47 | allison | or foie gras |
| 15:51.47 | loick | jethro: thanks, so it s mean that there is nothing to configure on the DNS serveur to do that. |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | Ronin: i don't have much of a choice around my office |
| 15:51.53 | treach | Welcome to crux. This is todays login question: What do you get if you substitute A for X, A or X? |
| 15:52.01 | bsims | hmmm Deer steaks and fried potatoes... |
| 15:52.10 | abrotman | nvz: because the line should be .. it's not debian .. we don't support it .. even ops have said as much |
| 15:52.11 | nvz | abrotman: we know what should and should not happen here, these people we yell at dont.. its not fair at all that we stay and they get banned |
| 15:52.16 | treach | yikes, sorry, wrong window. |
| 15:52.27 | jethro | loick: indeed, it just need to know how to reach the root servers. You can eventually setup forwarders in your conf, and only query those |
| 15:52.33 | simmy | Ok... so i'm in fluxbox... if I edit the /etc/X11/fluxbox-menu file, it does what I want. When I install a new package, that file gets rewritten. How do I make these changes stick? |
| 15:52.39 | abrotman | nvz: i kind of wish there was a "/force nvz #ubuntu" for chanops |
| 15:52.48 | nvz | heh |
| 15:52.50 | jethro | loick: and bind ships with a list of root servers iirc |
| 15:52.52 | abrotman | (although .. that would be damn rude :) |
| 15:52.56 | paulswm | abrotman: At a couple of all you can eat places here, you could have pepper steak *and* beef/string beans, *and* Singapore noodles, etc :P |
| 15:52.57 | Daveman | :P |
| 15:52.58 | azeem | the other problem is that #ubuntu used to have some severe access-regulations |
| 15:53.09 | abrotman | azeem: ? |
| 15:53.11 | azeem | so you had to nickserv-identify to join I think, and sometimes, that wouldn't work either |
| 15:53.18 | valdyn | simmy: modify ~/.fluxbox/menu instead |
| 15:53.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:53.18 | lordnazgu | simmy change the menu call file for it, then update-menus i believe they are usr/share/menu |
| 15:53.24 | azeem | so maybe that's why people join here instead |
| 15:53.30 | loick | jethro: thanks it s a bit more clear in my mind, i can start to dig in this direction :) |
| 15:53.31 | abrotman | azeem: maybe they should make you register with nickserv before downloading the ISOs :) |
| 15:53.36 | azeem | hehe |
| 15:53.40 | jethro | loick: you're welcome |
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| 15:53.49 | takatumi | it suits them well doesn't it, make it difficult to get to #u, the traffic gets to #debian, gets answered, alls well. |
| 15:53.50 | azeem | abrotman: or print your nickserv password on the shipit CDs |
| 15:53.58 | abrotman | azeem: the crap we usually get is "They don't know and Ubuntu is Debian .. so answer me!" |
| 15:54.01 | Jon` | ok after i reburned it, it didn't go to the redhat menu, but it's just sitting there with the cursor underline blinking |
| 15:54.03 | lordnazgu | valdyn, the problem with that is that when he installs a new package it doesnt show up on the menu |
| 15:54.06 | simmy | lordnazgu : Thanks! That's exactly what I needed! |
| 15:54.14 | azeem | takatumi: OTOH, you have to differentiate between Ubuntu and Canonical |
| 15:54.24 | paulswm | azeem: It's a cunning paln to avoid being asked questions to which one doesn't know the answer, judging by the number of "I tried #ubuntu but they couldn't help" remarks we see here :) |
| 15:54.35 | azeem | takatumi: the real free-riders are Canonical, they make up their shiny cool distro, and let the Ubuntu community deal with all the crap |
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| 15:54.48 | azeem | so I have sympathy for the Ubuntu community supporting #ubuntu |
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| 15:55.08 | darkness_ | heh |
| 15:55.18 | nvz | abrotman: I've said it before too, you never know when that idiot is going to grow up.. you never know what they will be next year, or two years from now.. if you are going to open your mouth say something that might actually make a difference. treat each user as though they may be the next DPL or something |
| 15:55.25 | darkness_ | I say if you don't use debian, get OBSD :-) |
| 15:55.30 | selfcontr0l | thanks again guys, you've all been a great help! |
| 15:55.30 | azeem | paulswm: see above, that's because all the Canonical dudes left for #ubuntu-devel and refuse to answer support questions there |
| 15:55.38 | azeem | (the latter of which is fair enough, of course) |
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| 15:55.50 | paulswm | azeem: Yes, I saw your remark, that sure does suck for them |
| 15:56.00 | valdyn | why the hell is canonical a 'free rider' ? |
| 15:56.14 | jethro | do they have politeness issues in #ubuntu? |
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| 15:56.27 | azeem | jethro: no, they have a code of conduct |
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| 15:56.42 | jethro | azeem: for helpers? |
| 15:56.54 | azeem | valdyn: as in: Concentrating on the stuff you get praise for (a shiny desktop), while leaving all the dirty work to Debian or their Ubuntu universe community |
| 15:56.57 | azeem | jethro: ? |
| 15:57.06 | nvz | abrotman: and some peoples response to that is "I don't care" well if you dont care, why bother.. you are the one acting innopropriatly and should be the one silenced |
| 15:57.08 | azeem | jethro: if you join #ubuntu, you accept their code of conduct, or be removed |
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| 15:57.41 | Jon` | does it take debian install a while to show up? |
| 15:57.46 | Jon` | this thing has been sitting for a while >.> |
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| 15:57.57 | azeem | Jon`: when you boot from CD? No. |
| 15:57.58 | valdyn | azeem: i understand, just consider that a little harsh considering canonical doesnt get any $$ for that |
| 15:58.02 | lordnazgu | having never been in #ubuntu what does this code of conduct entail and how is it a problem |
| 15:58.09 | Jon` | it didn't go into the redhat menu but all i see is the blinking cursor |
| 15:58.12 | Jon` | and it's not doing anything else |
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| 15:58.21 | Jon` | i heard the CD spinning in the drive for a couple of seconds but i don't hear it now |
| 15:58.21 | azeem | valdyn: right, it's a business decision |
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| 15:58.45 | azeem | valdyn: I don't blame them, of course, I just say we should be a bit more understanding of the huge task their own community is forced to do |
| 15:59.01 | azeem | Jon`: hrm |
| 15:59.11 | valdyn | azeem: yea, considering which kind of users they seem to attract |
| 15:59.13 | jethro | azeem: it needs a little searching to find the code you're talking about. I'm sure 90 of the traffic in #ubuntu doesn't even know about it :) |
| 15:59.34 | azeem | jethro: I am sure they are told fast enough |
| 15:59.40 | Jon` | i've got also the netinst iso, guess ill burn and give that one a shot |
| 15:59.42 | paulswm | lordnazgu: It seems to be that if you joined #ubuntu and tried out some words or phrases commonly seen in #debian, your join time would be measured in nanoseconds :) |
| 15:59.42 | azeem | jethro: their whole community is built around it |
| 15:59.42 | abrotman | nvz: if i went to a strange channel .. and someone pointed me to the *correct* channel .. i'd go there .. otherwise .. i'd be a stubborn asshole |
| 15:59.50 | azeem | jethro: (after looking how Debian supposedly failed) |
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| 16:00.43 | dimes | Is there a 2TB filesystem limit in Sarge with 64bit? |
| 16:00.51 | abrotman | dimes: which FS ? |
| 16:01.00 | lordnazgu | paulswm such as... profanity or i need help or ...? |
| 16:01.06 | peterS | dimes: in general, no. certain kernel filesystems have limits |
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| 16:01.12 | dimes | any, cant even make tehe partition |
| 16:01.13 | tarzeau | dimes: what filesystem? |
| 16:01.14 | jethro | azeem: imho, the only thing #debian failed is having regular and efficient ops, as well as keeping the efficent helpers in #debian :) that's just my opinion |
| 16:01.29 | abrotman | dimes: which kernel ? |
| 16:01.30 | Daveman | hey peters :) |
| 16:01.31 | azeem | jethro: why did the efficient helpers leave? |
| 16:01.38 | dimes | 2.6.14 |
| 16:01.42 | abrotman | wtf .. i'm chopped liver? |
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| 16:01.53 | jethro | azeem: because they got bored I thinkk :) |
| 16:01.54 | Daveman | abrotman :\ |
| 16:01.54 | dimes | parted,cfdisk,fdisk no can do =( |
| 16:02.00 | valdyn | dimes: then it has yet nothing to do with the FS |
| 16:02.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:02.09 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but you know better. and have no cognition what-so-ever what its like to not know better. Its really not about what people say in these situations, but how they say it. This user is already distressed, confused..etc and you treat them as though they were someone like me, who had been here for half a decade, and is stopping in after a hard nights work just to hang out |
| 16:02.13 | peterS | dimes: hrrrm, I can't remember if that limit was overcome yet or not, come to think of it. it existed in the 2.4 kernels |
| 16:02.22 | azeem | jethro: most of the people I talked to either said #d was impossible to follow, or the tone was too harsh for their liking |
| 16:02.29 | dimes | valdyn: correct I missspoke, is there a 2tb limit in partitions? |
| 16:02.37 | azeem | there's some FUD in that, of course |
| 16:03.18 | abrotman | perhaps .. erm .. we need a #debian-newbies .. for people who aren't good at following IRC .. and helpers who are .. patient |
| 16:03.25 | paulswm | azeem: Mostly because they felt that they weren't appreciated, being taken to task for how they said things rather than the skill they imparted, it's a good way to alienate people, the whole thing could have been dealt with better if the skilled volunteers felt that they were appreciated, and respected for their knowledge - JMO of course, based on what I hear |
| 16:03.27 | jethro | azeem: you mean impossible to follow because of the amount of traffic? |
| 16:03.29 | azeem | abrotman: that is #d |
| 16:03.30 | Daveman | mmm... fūd... |
| 16:03.33 | azeem | jethro: yes |
| 16:03.34 | peterS | abrotman: there used to exist #debian-friendly, but hardly anyone actually used it |
| 16:03.36 | abrotman | azeem: hehe |
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| 16:03.41 | abrotman | peterS: there exists ##debian |
| 16:03.50 | jethro | azeem: the traffic is the consequence to the quality of the helpers imho |
| 16:04.02 | azeem | paulswm: I am talking about the generation before that |
| 16:04.03 | abrotman | jethro: espeically when people come here to ask about other distros :) |
| 16:04.11 | jethro | abrotman: yeah, that's another problem |
| 16:04.14 | tarzeau | jethro: the amount of traffic was taken care of with channel rules |
| 16:04.19 | takatumi | azeem: how far back is that? |
| 16:04.30 | peterS | oh, hey, Daveman. I'm still recovering from the serious withdrawal symptoms I was having from being netless for 20 hours |
| 16:04.34 | jethro | tarzeau: indeed, because most good helpers have left or been +q'ed :) |
| 16:04.40 | tarzeau | jethro: as well as topic and faq |
| 16:04.42 | Daveman | :x |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | jethro: knowledgable |
| 16:04.53 | azeem | takatumi: before the time most DDs said it was useless to stay around in #d |
| 16:04.57 | paulswm | azeem: I don't know, I do know that I was beaten up a couple of years ago in here when I suggested that many attitudes were too agressive and confrontational and scaring away new folks |
| 16:05.00 | tarzeau | jethro: but some people don't read or see /topics nor read faqs |
| 16:05.10 | azeem | paulswm: it's a very old problem, yes |
| 16:05.12 | jethro | tarzeau: yeah I know that :) |
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| 16:05.26 | azeem | paulswm: and really, I don't know that much about it, I am just guessing here |
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| 16:05.50 | azeem | paulswm: but there must have been a time when a lot of the nice people from #debian-devel where here |
| 16:05.53 | Maneit | hmm. does anyone know how to calculate how long it takes to read a sector if all you've got is the discs RPM and how big the sectors are? |
| 16:05.56 | peterS | abrotman: it's also quite easy to pull in gtk as a dependency of something you actually do want, like java |
| 16:06.08 | abrotman | peterS: oddly enough .. the server runs tomcat :) |
| 16:06.11 | azeem | paulswm: anyway, those times are gone, the present is what matters |
| 16:06.21 | peterS | heh |
| 16:06.22 | jethro | azeem: no, the future is what matters :p |
| 16:06.25 | tarzeau | Maneit: hdparm has some read stats with and without caching or so |
| 16:06.27 | azeem | right |
| 16:06.34 | bbrazil | Maneit: you'll need the sectors per track too |
| 16:06.39 | Jon` | too many forces are at work here against me |
| 16:06.39 | abrotman | peterS: but it was supposed to have been replaced over six months ago |
| 16:06.45 | Jon` | tried using the netinst ISO too |
| 16:06.45 | Jon` | same deal |
| 16:06.49 | bbrazil | Maneit: this is ignoring seek time |
| 16:06.50 | abrotman | peterS: damn managers won't sign off on the new system |
| 16:06.52 | dimes | So? Anyone know if there is still a Max Partition size of 2TB? |
| 16:06.53 | Jon` | blinking cursor, CD stops after a few seconds |
| 16:07.05 | tarzeau | dimes: for what partition type? |
| 16:07.10 | Maneit | bbrazil: All I've got is "400 256-bytes sectors pr. track and 1000 rpm" |
| 16:07.12 | abrotman | dimes: there really should not be .. xfs for example can go up to like 2PB or some thing rediculous |
| 16:07.14 | tarzeau | dimes: err partition table |
| 16:07.14 | peterS | abrotman: get on the ball, wouldya? replace it already so you can send me the old hardware |
| 16:07.22 | abrotman | peterS: you don't want it :) |
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| 16:07.24 | tarzeau | dimes: yes there is a limit for ms-dos partitions |
| 16:07.28 | dimes | tarzeau: I am not sure what you mean? |
| 16:07.31 | peterS | oh? |
| 16:07.31 | azeem | Jon`: there are other ways to boot. You could boot over the network, if that is feasable. Or perhaps from a USB pendrive |
| 16:07.35 | Maneit | bbrazil: And I want to know how many ms it takes to read a sector. Ignoring the searchtime |
| 16:07.36 | bbrazil | Maneit: that should be enough, assuming the head can handle it |
| 16:07.39 | abrotman | peterS: the system i'm going to is actually slower .. but SMP .. and SCSI .. and all kinds of nice stuffs |
| 16:07.40 | tarzeau | dimes: well you can use a harddisk without partitions... |
| 16:07.45 | Jon` | dont have a pendrive available |
| 16:07.48 | Jon` | how would i boot over the network? |
| 16:07.52 | Maneit | bbrazil: It's theoretical. I just need to know how to calculate it |
| 16:07.55 | dimes | tarzeau: for a "linux" partition type |
| 16:08.00 | tarzeau | dimes: floppies and some usb sticks are like that |
| 16:08.04 | peterS | Jon`: with great difficulty. start by setting up a boot server...... |
| 16:08.13 | abrotman | dimes: ext2/3,xfs,jfs,reiser .. waht ? |
| 16:08.14 | tarzeau | dimes: yes but there's different types of partition tables too |
| 16:08.17 | Daveman | :p |
| 16:08.19 | bbrazil | Maneit: well its 60/1000 seconds to read an entire track, hence (60/1000)/400 seconds to read a sector |
| 16:08.23 | tarzeau | dimes: on i386? what arch? |
| 16:08.28 | Jon` | hmm lol |
| 16:08.30 | abrotman | m68k! |
| 16:08.31 | peterS | Jon`: in all seriousness, it can be done with software in debian, but it's kind of a pain to set up, especially if you haven't done it before |
| 16:08.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: 2tb on m68k? |
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| 16:08.40 | eleftherios | I have a model working on /dev/ttySL0 using the SmartLink Soft Modem driver on an HP nx8220 laptop. I have used pppconfig to configure the modem and I am trying to connect using pon <ispname>. The error I get is NO DIALTONE. The modem and the line work as I have tested them on windows and (using PULSE) I can connect successfuly. Any pointers/ideas? |
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| 16:08.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: i was joking .. |
| 16:08.44 | Daveman | 68k! |
| 16:08.44 | Jon` | yeah this is my first attempt at debian :| |
| 16:08.47 | eleftherios | s/model/modem |
| 16:08.50 | abrotman | !fix tarzeau |
| 16:08.51 | Maneit | bbrazil: So the number of bytes doesn't fit in the calculation at all? |
| 16:08.58 | eleftherios | I am on Debian Etch |
| 16:08.58 | dimes | tarzeau: 2.6.14 64bit no FS since I cant make the partition in the first place |
| 16:09.12 | tarzeau | dimes: 64 bit doesn't tell me what arch it is |
| 16:09.16 | Jon` | and i only have one PC available for debian install and its the one im trying to put it on now |
| 16:09.18 | tarzeau | dimes: powerpc? alpha? sparc? |
| 16:09.20 | bbrazil | Maneit: well you're looking for sector read time, how big the sector is doesn't factor into it |
| 16:09.23 | abrotman | dimes: what TYPE of partition are oyu trying to make ? |
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| 16:09.33 | tarzeau | dimes: you can make a filesystem without a partition on any medium |
| 16:09.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: linux, ext2 |
| 16:09.38 | dimes | tarzeau: x86_64 specifically em64t xeon |
| 16:09.39 | bbrazil | Maneit: if you were looking for bytes/s it would |
| 16:09.43 | joergdn | ALL: with std linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 I can't drive my HDD with atiixp module |
| 16:09.43 | joergdn | it says: ATIIXP: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0 |
| 16:09.43 | joergdn | any hints to fix this? |
| 16:09.46 | Daveman | abrotman, he still ignoring you? :\ |
| 16:09.49 | abrotman | i think ext2 still has a 2TB limit |
| 16:09.53 | abrotman | even in 2.6.x |
| 16:09.59 | tarzeau | dimes: some drivers have a 2tb limit... |
| 16:10.04 | Maneit | bbrazil: just looking for how many ms it takes to read a sector |
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| 16:10.08 | peterS | dimes: using the amd64 Debian port, or the i386 Debian port? the amd64 port is more likely to work |
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| 16:10.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you put all that stuff in the wiki ? :) |
| 16:10.23 | dimes | peterS: I am using the amd64 port |
| 16:10.39 | dimes | with a hand compiled kernel |
| 16:10.53 | tarzeau | dimes: maybe if you can tell more exactly waht you have and what you want, you canget more exact help |
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| 16:11.10 | peterS | tarzeau: he's being pretty exact. "are 64-bit partitions supported in debian?" is pretty specific |
| 16:11.17 | Jon` | any other suggestions on to what might be causing it to do this? |
| 16:11.25 | abrotman | but which FS .. though it seems he implied ext2 |
| 16:11.27 | chop | I have the following situation: A account (e. g. username) which I want to have different access privileges based upon the ip address the person logs in, more specifically I want to enable that person the posibility to use "su -" to get root ONLY if the person has a SPECIFIC ip address (SSH session). Any idea ? |
| 16:11.28 | tarzeau | peterS: 64 bit partitions? |
| 16:11.34 | dimes | tarzeau: I have a 3ware 9550SX sata raid card with a 7+1 raid5 that totals ~2.4tb |
| 16:11.34 | peterS | abrotman: he can't even create the partition, doesn't matter about the fs |
| 16:11.40 | peterS | abrotman: ^^^^ |
| 16:11.44 | tarzeau | peterS: no, that's not complete |
| 16:11.56 | dimes | tarzeau: I have partitioned it 6 ways which include: |
| 16:11.58 | tarzeau | dimes: which driver is that in linux? |
| 16:12.03 | peterS | tarzeau: he actually said > 2 TB partitions |
| 16:12.05 | tarzeau | dimes: gdth or something else? |
| 16:12.16 | Daveman | abrotman, there are patches for 2.6 to support greater limits :) |
| 16:12.24 | abrotman | but when you creeate the partition .. doesn't it ask you a FS ? |
| 16:12.25 | raden | there a way to burn a DVD from console ? |
| 16:12.28 | chop | gdth? ICP vortex? ;) |
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| 16:12.39 | Daveman | hey thingfish |
| 16:12.44 | jethro | chop: why not create different accounts instead? |
| 16:12.44 | dimes | tarzeau: 3 primary that total a few gb, then two logicals, one that is 5gb and a second which is all thats left |
| 16:12.48 | thingfish | hi Daveman |
| 16:12.57 | lordnazgu | im on another network from my home netowrk. is there any way i can log onto one of the computers at my home network (ie ssh) so that i can mount a samba share from that network? |
| 16:13.01 | peterS | tarzeau: that would be the 3w-9xxx driver |
| 16:13.02 | Daveman | howdy :) |
| 16:13.04 | tarzeau | chop: ok i never get it right. |
| 16:13.07 | chop | jethro: I would like just 1 account ;) |
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| 16:13.15 | jethro | chop: depending on the settings, you easily impersonate an IP address |
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| 16:13.23 | mtnman | lordnazgu: that would depend on the layout of your home net |
| 16:13.27 | dimes | tarzeau: except that when you go to write the partition it overflows the size on 2tb and ends up being 190gb or so |
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| 16:13.39 | lordnazgu | mtnman how so |
| 16:13.49 | Daveman | dimes - lame |
| 16:13.53 | tarzeau | dimes: with ms-dos partitions yes |
| 16:13.54 | chop | I guess I have to play with pam a bit... |
| 16:14.08 | dimes | tarzeau: No ms-dos parts |
| 16:14.25 | tarzeau | dimes: you know what i mean |
| 16:14.27 | dimes | tarzeau: to my knowledge |
| 16:14.28 | chop | tarzeau: I just know that GDTH is in fact ICP Vortex since we assemble servers with ICP/Vortex controllers all the time |
| 16:14.37 | peterS | tarzeau: no he doesn't. you have to actually say what you mean |
| 16:14.38 | chop | ICP rules ;) |
| 16:14.39 | peterS | dimes: I think he means a MS-DOS partition *table*, not MS-DOS partitions. |
| 16:14.39 | mtnman | lordnazgu: well, first of all, does the machine on your home network have a public ip address? if not, you would need to set up port-forwarding or similar. |
| 16:14.42 | dimes | tarzeau: or maybe I am not understanding |
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| 16:14.48 | tarzeau | chop: and i know the gdth driver in that i have on 2.4 is limited to 2tb |
| 16:14.52 | tarzeau | chop: per partition |
| 16:15.04 | tarzeau | dimes: there is a standard for a partition table |
| 16:15.10 | chop | I dont have such a setup unfortunately :D |
| 16:15.17 | lordnazgu | mtnman port forwarding is set up already, i can ssh into any machine on my net |
| 16:15.18 | chop | would be a nice server for MP3 *g* |
| 16:15.21 | tarzeau | dimes: ms-dos, windows and linux have a partition table , same format |
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| 16:15.41 | mtnman | lordnazgu; then perhaps i don't understand your question. |
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| 16:15.42 | dimes | tarzeau: so is there an option to that? |
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| 16:16.05 | allison | can anyone help me with nicotine ? |
| 16:16.06 | Brendon | HiveDrone, i've just got my dedicated server thats supposed to have 2 ide drives. I see one is all setup with the os but i don't see a 2nd one. I'm guessing its not formatted, but is there a quick way to go thru the devices to see if a 2nd hdd exists in the system? Thanks in advance. |
| 16:16.08 | chop | tarzeau: but the 2.6.x is not limited in the same way ? |
| 16:16.34 | wireddd | isn't there a kernel option or something to support partitions > 2TB? |
| 16:16.41 | Brendon | okay HiveDrone i'm not sure why your name came up in my question, sorry |
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| 16:16.55 | xam | wireddd: not that I an aware of |
| 16:16.57 | tarzeau | dimes: there is something in the linux kernel config, i really don't remember, i never needed it |
| 16:17.05 | Jacobo221 | hi, is there any command-line app to convert utf-8 (or any other) text file to plain ascii? |
| 16:17.06 | tarzeau | chop: i'm not sure, since i haven't triecd it yet |
| 16:17.08 | lordnazgu | mtnman im not local to my home network right now. i was wondering if i could somehow mount a samba share that is shared on my home network. i can ssh into any machine, because i have set up port forwarding for it (so i could use vnc) |
| 16:17.14 | tarzeau | wireddd: i thought linux has that, yes |
| 16:17.18 | dimes | tarzeau: its LBD which is on |
| 16:17.21 | tarzeau | Jacobo221: yes, recode |
| 16:17.26 | chop | wireddd: I read something on kerneltraffic... |
| 16:17.27 | chop | sec |
| 16:17.32 | tarzeau | dimes: do you know how LBD works? |
| 16:17.32 | Jacobo221 | thanks tarzeau |
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| 16:17.42 | jsz | how do I get framebuffer to work? |
| 16:17.44 | tarzeau | Jacobo221: there's also iconv and some more tools |
| 16:17.52 | dimes | tarzeau: but it reqs x86 not x86_64 so I am compiling out as I type to see if it does the opposite on 64bit |
| 16:18.05 | allison | can anyone help me with nicotine ? |
| 16:18.11 | Jacobo221 | tarzeau: i'll apt-cache them to see which one suits my needs bettter :) thanks |
| 16:18.16 | tarzeau | allison: what's the issue? |
| 16:18.21 | mtnman | lordnazgu: ssh and smb use different ports. you need to open a port on the router and point it to the machine running smb. it wouldn't be the most secure setup, imho. |
| 16:18.29 | allison | I installed it and it does not seem to connect |
| 16:18.40 | lordnazgu | mtnman what port, i could tunnel it over ssh |
| 16:18.43 | chop | wireddd: You didn't say what architecture you're running on. If it's a 64-bit system you don't have to do anything else. If it's a 32-bit system, then turn on CONFIG_LBD when you compile. |
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| 16:18.55 | Jon` | has anyone ever had similar problems with the boot CDs for debian going to boot but not running at all? |
| 16:19.03 | chop | wireddd: see http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20031124_242.html |
| 16:19.17 | yos | hi |
| 16:19.22 | allison | tarzeau > the connect button is depressed...so I cannot connect |
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| 16:19.49 | abrotman | allison: give it some happy meds |
| 16:19.51 | mtnman | lordnazgu: 137, 139, iirc, but i do not run samba, so check for yourself. |
| 16:20.03 | chop | wireddd: kernel bldev limit is 2 TB on 2.4 |
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| 16:20.13 | sandman | It sometimes seems like anacron is useful on more than just laptops |
| 16:20.13 | chop | following to this URL :D |
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| 16:20.21 | allison | abrotman > like what ? |
| 16:20.36 | lordnazgu | mtnman ok but then in theory if i tunnelled the port over, i could smbmount //localhost/share /mountpoint? |
| 16:20.38 | mtnman | lordnazgu: you may be able to find a howto at tldp.org |
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| 16:20.53 | abrotman | allison: if i were depressed .. i might know |
| 16:20.58 | darkness_ | I've got Apache2 installed, so why does it point to my router anmd not apache web-placeholder? |
| 16:20.59 | lordnazgu | mtnman ok will check that out |
| 16:21.00 | chop | sandman: you probably mean on anything other than 24/7 hours running machines... |
| 16:21.01 | allison | lol |
| 16:21.19 | mtnman | lordnazgu: you'd be better off asking someone who actually runs smb. perhaps #samba or something. |
| 16:21.24 | sandman | chop: Well, right. It seems it could be useful on non-24/7 machines, too |
| 16:21.28 | tarzeau | allison: checked BTS? |
| 16:21.30 | lordnazgu | mtnman u got it thx |
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| 16:21.33 | tijn | darkness_, that has something to do with your router i think |
| 16:21.37 | mtnman | welcome |
| 16:21.55 | allison | what is bts ? :-( |
| 16:21.57 | darkness_ | tijn, Nah i'm sure it's to do with etc/host config tbh/ |
| 16:21.59 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 16:21.59 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 16:22.06 | chop | sandman: well, in fact it does not miss jobs, so ... |
| 16:22.15 | chop | sandman: cron jost doesnt care *g* |
| 16:22.26 | chop | crond* |
| 16:22.49 | sandman | chop: What doesn't miss jobs? Cron OR anacron? |
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| 16:23.03 | chop | anacron |
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| 16:23.09 | sandman | chop: But cron can, yes? |
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| 16:23.17 | jsz | how do I make framebuffer work? |
| 16:23.17 | chop | cron does miss those when the machine is not running |
| 16:23.28 | sandman | It makes more sense to run anacron, imho :) |
| 16:23.45 | sandman | If that's the case. |
| 16:23.51 | sandman | Unless there's some feature loss in moving to anacron |
| 16:24.00 | chop | i dont like the name :P |
| 16:24.09 | Jon` | its like trying to boot from the debian cds freezes the computer completely up |
| 16:24.19 | Jon` | num/caps/scroll lock wont even respond on the keyboard |
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| 16:24.26 | jsz | !tell jsz about framebuffer |
| 16:24.35 | Jon` | yet the cursor still blinks on the screen |
| 16:25.01 | chop | sandman: besides the 24/7 stuff, etc its just like a personal preference as with MTAs, etc |
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| 16:25.34 | chop | speaking of MTAs Exim should be replaced with postfix in the base install :D |
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| 16:25.55 | peterS | chop: won't happen, too much inertia and it matters too little |
| 16:26.04 | ferx | hay |
| 16:26.15 | peterS | chop: I'd vote for replacing exim4 with nullmailer or something. anyone who needs a *real* MTA knows where to find one |
| 16:26.46 | chop | peterS: well personally I do not care since I created a customized CD :) |
| 16:27.04 | va | i got apache1.3 executing /var/www/index.php, but offering me to download /var/www/phpmyadmin/index.php. How do i enable php for subdirectories of /var/www/ ? |
| 16:27.05 | wireddd | has kde 3.5 hit testing yet? |
| 16:27.12 | Jon` | i did a diagnostics test on teh cd room and while under the hard drive it said 'pass' for the CD rom it said 'diagnostics not supported' |
| 16:27.22 | chop | va: are you sure PHP is enabled at all ? |
| 16:27.23 | Jon` | the cd rom* man i really can't type today |
| 16:27.24 | peterS | chop: most debian machines out there do not need the ability to send and receive non-local mail. those that do need that, well, they should have admins who have a clue about MTAs. and those admins probably already have a specific preference |
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| 16:27.29 | va | chop: yes |
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| 16:27.42 | va | /var/www/index.php does execute |
| 16:27.47 | Jacobo221 | tarzeau: i'm sorry, i believe i know little about charsets :S i can't find out which charset is the unixnline ascii. do you know? |
| 16:27.53 | chop | peterS: very true |
| 16:28.38 | ferx | hay |
| 16:29.32 | chop | va: do you use php as module or as cgi binary ? |
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| 16:29.53 | ccercano | scagcdgscxdggcxc |
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| 16:30.07 | va | chop: not sure, i installed apache , php4, phpmyadmin on sarge |
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| 16:30.19 | ccercano | vetea la mierda |
| 16:30.28 | chop | ccercano: would you mind stopping this please? |
| 16:31.00 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:31.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:31.03 | va | chop: php4 depends on libapache-mod-php4 so i probably use it as a module |
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| 16:31.30 | chop | va: it does offer you the posibility to download it? |
| 16:31.42 | va | yes |
| 16:32.03 | chop | va: do you have a directory specific configuration ? |
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| 16:32.07 | va | the download dialog pops up in firefox. |
| 16:32.16 | va | I have only default configuration |
| 16:32.24 | chop | hmm |
| 16:32.33 | va | all i did was uncomment a single AddType... line in httpd.conf |
| 16:32.40 | chop | which one ? |
| 16:33.01 | va | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
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| 16:33.14 | chop | no comment ;) |
| 16:33.20 | va | without that, even that toplevel index.php didn't execute |
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| 16:35.18 | chop | here apache2 works flawlessly with PHP (and phpmyadmin) with the setting intact |
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| 16:35.27 | chop | also PHP PEAR works fine... |
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| 16:35.34 | Jon` | hmm, it seems like everytime i try to do something with computers its just one thing after another that gets in my way lol |
| 16:35.50 | azeem | Jon`: where are you now? |
| 16:35.56 | azeem | still not booting? |
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| 16:36.06 | Jon` | same point, CD still just freezing the comp up |
| 16:36.08 | mr-pringle | why wont gaim connect to msn service. unable to authenticate .NET messenger service i get, works with some other dude at linuxhelp.no on ef net but mr. gates has probably targetet me for some reason, others with problems |
| 16:36.10 | mr-pringle | ? |
| 16:36.11 | chop | Jon`: one thing ? you should speak a little bit more polite when speaking of girls *fg* |
| 16:36.24 | azeem | chop: ? |
| 16:36.35 | tijn | ?? |
| 16:36.40 | Jon` | lol |
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| 16:37.00 | azeem | mr-pringle: what Debian version are you running? |
| 16:37.06 | mr-pringle | unstable |
| 16:37.15 | azeem | mr-pringle: did you check gaim's bug reports? |
| 16:37.23 | chop | !tell mr-pringle sid |
| 16:37.24 | va | chop: on my unstable box i also have the same, but on this sarge box apache2 also didn't execute any php. After playing a bit with AddType and similar i purged apache2, php4 , phpmyadmin and installed all of them anew with apache 1.3 |
| 16:37.38 | Daveman | pringles |
| 16:37.51 | mr-pringle | strange it happend over night |
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| 16:37.57 | chop | well I have a pretty nailed-down apache 2 config here... |
| 16:38.08 | chop | and it works flawlessly |
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| 16:38.43 | chop | darn, AFK again... |
| 16:38.49 | mr-pringle | gasoing |
| 16:38.55 | mr-pringle | gasping * |
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| 16:40.44 | mr-pringle | aha, youre, password will expire in 2 days |
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| 16:41.32 | paulswm | laters, all |
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| 16:41.35 | Jon` | hmm, there must be something up with the cd rom on this pc |
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| 16:42.01 | takatumi | Jon`: nothing interesting in the BIOS? |
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| 16:42.22 | Jon` | yeah dug all through there, the bios is actually kinda simple on this one, not many advanced options at all |
| 16:42.35 | Bob332 | is there a debian program that will read outlook PST files??? |
| 16:42.39 | mr-pringle | thar she bows |
| 16:42.50 | azeem | Jon`: do you have another computer to test the CD on? |
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| 16:42.52 | chop | Bob332: maybe thunderbird can import those ... or evolution |
| 16:43.07 | takatumi | Bob332: apt-cache search outlook pst :) |
| 16:43.13 | Jon` | hmm, guess i could test it on our back up server real quick |
| 16:43.16 | chop | Bob332: check the docs ... |
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| 16:43.27 | Dr_Doctor | hi |
| 16:43.55 | Bob332 | takatumi, there is a package called readpst that converts it to mbox files |
| 16:44.11 | azeem | Bob332: sounds good |
| 16:44.22 | abrotman | Bob332: apt-cache search PST |
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| 16:44.30 | JohnCope | hi all |
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| 16:44.51 | Dr_Doctor | i got problems with a network install on a shuttle xpc box - network is not working - destination host unreachable |
| 16:45.02 | chantal | hola |
| 16:45.13 | takatumi | abrotman: apt-cache search wild goose chase |
| 16:45.13 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: is your network card detected? |
| 16:45.23 | abrotman | takatumi: jumpnbump ? |
| 16:45.26 | chop | Bob332: readpst |
| 16:45.34 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: yes |
| 16:45.34 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: does 'dmesg | grep eth' yield some results? |
| 16:45.36 | azeem | ok |
| 16:45.37 | chop | Bob332: you should take a look at that package... |
| 16:45.37 | blizzow | How do I prevent the apache2 server from spawning 10 apache2 processes that use 50MB of memory each? |
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| 16:45.43 | Daveman | Dr_Doctor, I question your credentials... |
| 16:45.51 | azeem | Daveman: eh? |
| 16:46.03 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: in fact ifconfig finds eth and eth1 - but i got only one network adapter onboard |
| 16:46.05 | SimonRaven | my nick name in HS was dr doctor... |
| 16:46.07 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: is it configured correctly? How did you configure it |
| 16:46.17 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: interesting |
| 16:46.18 | Daveman | :O |
| 16:46.28 | Daveman | here comes another wind of malpractice suits? |
| 16:46.36 | Daveman | :P |
| 16:46.58 | takatumi | abrotman: nothing good to play, sick of games actually. |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | takatumi: enigma! |
| 16:47.37 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: i used the installer interface to configure it |
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| 16:47.53 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: and ifconfig eth0 ... |
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| 16:48.00 | takatumi | !nicktab |
| 16:48.00 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 16:48.00 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: what kind of network adapter do you have? |
| 16:48.55 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: its an nforce2 chipset, its onboard |
| 16:49.00 | Akbar | what apps do you guys use for usenet binary downloads? maybe a equivelent to newsleecher on windows? |
| 16:49.15 | Akbar | pan? |
| 16:49.16 | peterS | Akbar: apt-cache search usenet binary |
| 16:49.25 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: ok. Maybe you should really try 'dmesg | grep eth' and see what kinds of adapters are detected |
| 16:49.42 | mtnman | takatumi: that factoid is not accurate for all irc clients. |
| 16:49.48 | Akbar | peterS, yeah I know but maybe someone could recommend me one :P |
| 16:49.59 | takatumi | mtnman: sad. |
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| 16:50.16 | mtnman | takatumi: i do not consider it a matter of emotion. |
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| 16:50.54 | takatumi | mtnman: yada on then. |
| 16:50.55 | npx | addendum: if this isn't accurate for your client, your client sucks. |
| 16:51.20 | mtnman | taktumi: not sure what you mean by that. |
| 16:51.49 | takatumi | mtnman: get a better client. |
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| 16:52.30 | mtnman | takatumi: i did not ask you for any advice about my client. i just meant that i did not know what you mean by "yada on then." |
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| 16:53.01 | Jon`` | ok i think the same thing happened pretty much, but it said something about booting from CD-ROM: 1.44mb diskette |
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| 16:53.58 | IgorPio | alguem sabe um soft para copiar dvd ? |
| 16:54.01 | Jon`` | i saw an option on the burning program to change that -- gave me that option, another floppy option, and hard disk emulation |
| 16:54.07 | abrotman | !br |
| 16:54.08 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:54.14 | Jon`` | but the debian install on the other server isn't going anywhere |
| 16:54.16 | azeem | Jon``: you should just burn the ISO |
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| 16:54.30 | Jon`` | thats what i did the first time, but it wouldn't boot at all that way |
| 16:54.35 | cshaman | dear ##c, oh how i've missed you so. long hours of school work have kept me from you for far too long. as much as i love you, i have lost sleep over our relationship. why, just today i realized i'd average four hours in the past two days; surely you may understand, my love, my need to spend less time together. with love, cshaman. |
| 16:54.52 | azeem | Jon``: what program did you use? |
| 16:54.58 | Jon`` | roxio easy cd creator |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | cshaman: try again |
| 16:55.07 | cshaman | lol |
| 16:55.17 | azeem | Jon``: maybe you find a HOWTO for bootable ISO with CD creator on the web |
| 16:55.27 | cshaman | abrotman, quite romantic, no? |
| 16:55.28 | azeem | Jon``: if nobody in here knows about it |
| 16:55.37 | abrotman | cshaman: depends how you feel about C |
| 16:55.40 | azeem | Jon``: in general, try to verify the burn with md5sum |
| 16:56.03 | abrotman | and burn at a low speed . not > 16x |
| 16:56.04 | Jon`` | how do i go about doing that? |
| 16:56.16 | azeem | Jon``: not sure how it'd work on Windows, sorry |
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| 16:56.36 | abrotman | !win32 md5sum |
| 16:56.36 | dpkg | http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/ |
| 16:56.55 | azeem | abrotman: but can it compare CD ROMs? |
| 16:56.58 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: demesg | grep eth: ip1394: eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) forcedeth.c Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver - eth1 forcedeth.c:subsystem: 01297:5011 bound to 0000:00:04.0 - eth1: no ipv6 routers present |
| 16:56.59 | azeem | well, he'll see |
| 16:57.04 | abrotman | azeem: nfc ? :) |
| 16:57.10 | azeem | !nfc |
| 16:57.10 | dpkg | [nfc] No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 16:57.12 | azeem | ah |
| 16:57.20 | abrotman | azeem: use cygwin ? |
| 16:57.24 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: ok, so your firewire port is detected as eth0 |
| 16:57.33 | Dr_Doctor | yeah seems so :) |
| 16:57.37 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:57.40 | azeem | (as root) |
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| 16:58.02 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: and see what the installer wrote there; probably you need to change mentionings of 'eth0' with 'eth1' |
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| 16:58.31 | Dr_Doctor | azeen: ok |
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| 17:00.08 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: and my nick is "azeem" (with an "m"). If you need further help, better spell it correctly, so I get a notification. :) |
| 17:00.12 | azeem | I am going to do some work now |
| 17:00.28 | Jon`` | guess ill get nero and try reburning the CDs yet again with that |
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| 17:02.37 | CAiRO | i'm trying to use my usb scanner as user.. as root i can do scan-find-scanner and it finds it, but as user it doesn't find it even though i've chmod the scanner device to a+rwx.. what's the problem? |
| 17:02.50 | CAiRO | i mean sane-find-scanner |
| 17:02.58 | S4nD3r | How do I install a USB scanner in my sarge?? |
| 17:03.07 | yaarg | lol |
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| 17:03.27 | larsioaS | Does anybody in here work with Sun Cobalt RAQ 550? |
| 17:04.12 | Dr_Doctor | azeem: sorry for mistyping this monitor here is pretty old :) |
| 17:04.26 | valdyn | CAiRO: /msg dpkg unix lessosn |
| 17:04.28 | valdyn | CAiRO: /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 17:04.43 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 17:04.43 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 17:04.44 | mr-pringle | for some reason gaim crashes when i try to send files to ppl? anyone know why? |
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| 17:05.08 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: no problem |
| 17:05.13 | S4nD3r | found USB scanner (vendor=0x0458, product=0x201a [600DPI USB Scanner], chip=GT-6 816) at libusb:001:002 |
| 17:05.15 | S4nD3r | What to do now ??? |
| 17:05.32 | CAiRO | valdyn: so how does that relate to my problem? |
| 17:05.32 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: get a less stupid nick? |
| 17:05.35 | npx | S4nD3r, install sane |
| 17:05.44 | raden | is th4ere a way to burn DVD backups from console ? |
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| 17:06.05 | SlayerXP | raden: yes. |
| 17:06.17 | S4nD3r | Im installing sane |
| 17:06.27 | S4nD3r | SlayerXP, Which is the problem with my nick ? |
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| 17:06.37 | raden | SlayerXP, and what program or how would i do that ? just nmeed to be pointed in a direction |
| 17:06.44 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: n0th1ng, 1t5, r3411y n34t |
| 17:06.47 | valdyn | CAiRO: not directly, but dont fuck with permissions, there's a scanner group ( whatever it might spelled ). |
| 17:06.54 | mtnman | slayerxp: not leet enough for S4nD3r |
| 17:06.58 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 17:07.02 | SlayerXP | raden: cdrecord perhaps |
| 17:07.08 | Kluster_v2 | S4nD3r, chmod proc/bus/usb/001/002 so users can access it |
| 17:07.33 | CAiRO | valdyn: that's just for testing.. so that nobody suggests to put the user in the scanner group (as that isn't the problem) |
| 17:07.43 | raden | next stupid question will i be able to make vcron run that ? |
| 17:07.47 | cahoot | Kluster_v2: adding user to scanner group is probably better |
| 17:07.53 | S4nD3r | Kluster_v2, I will do that |
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| 17:08.24 | Haukkis | Hullo everyone. |
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| 17:08.37 | Haukkis | A quick question: What was the tool to remove stuff from default runlevel or add stuff there? |
| 17:08.39 | Kluster_v2 | cahoot, I just chown to the group "users" myself.. |
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| 17:08.43 | Haukkis | equivalent of Gentoo's rc-update? |
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| 17:08.52 | Haukkis | I can't remember that command. :( |
| 17:08.53 | stew | Haukkis: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 17:09.05 | Haukkis | stew: thank you. :) |
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| 17:09.33 | S4nD3r | Kluster_v2, Ok then |
| 17:09.38 | Maneit | Hi. I've got a disc with 300*256-bytes sectors pr.track. The disc is 900 RPM. Does anyone know a formula to calculate how long it takes to read a sector if I ignore the seek-time? |
| 17:09.41 | valdyn | CAiRO: im not familiar with sane, however it is _highly_ unlikely that a _user_ should be able to 'scan' for a scanner at all. |
| 17:09.41 | S4nD3r | Now which software to use |
| 17:10.13 | mike_sol | Maneit, 900 RPM? is it a floppy, or a CD, or what |
| 17:10.23 | CAiRO | valdyn: no, i've done that before without problems before my hardware upgrade.. besides, xsane warns you _not_ to scan as root |
| 17:10.23 | Maneit | mike_sol: this is theoretical. :) |
| 17:10.37 | Dr_Doctor | azeem: it works i get a ping |
| 17:10.44 | mike_sol | Maneit, is it fixed sector size or variable |
| 17:10.50 | Maneit | mike_sol: fixed |
| 17:10.55 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: cool :) |
| 17:11.00 | Akbar | CAiRO, maybe you should add your user to a specific group |
| 17:11.03 | Dr_Doctor | Azeem: thanks for your help :) |
| 17:11.20 | valdyn | !sane |
| 17:11.20 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 17:11.31 | mike_sol | maneit, couldn't you calculate the length of an arc one sector would be and work from there? i can't remember the geometry equations any more |
| 17:11.48 | Maneit | mike_sol: dunno |
| 17:11.51 | Maneit | I'll look into it |
| 17:11.56 | mike_sol | thats what i'd work on |
| 17:12.03 | stew | Maneit: figure your disk can do sustained reads of 50-60 mb/s, so divide 50 * 1024 * 1024 / sector size |
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| 17:12.57 | S4nD3r | I installed sane |
| 17:12.58 | ifn | Hiiiiii friends |
| 17:13.09 | ifn | im from brazil, any mour? |
| 17:13.22 | mtnman | !br |
| 17:13.23 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:13.39 | mtnman | ifn: unless you prefer english |
| 17:13.51 | ifn | hehe |
| 17:13.55 | ifn | i dont speak inglseh |
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| 17:16.03 | ifn | Meu amigo |
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| 17:16.06 | abrotman | !br |
| 17:16.06 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:16.10 | abrotman | ifn: ^^ |
| 17:16.18 | ifn | !br |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:16.23 | ifn | abrotman tu e da onde? |
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| 17:16.28 | ifn | grato. |
| 17:16.30 | azeem | ifn: #debian-br |
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| 17:16.57 | unfriendly | azeem this is good chanel |
| 17:16.59 | unfriendly | :) |
| 17:17.08 | azeem | unfriendly: yeah |
| 17:17.09 | abrotman | don't let the word out |
| 17:17.10 | valdyn | CAiRO: 'strace -eopen 2>&1 | grep /dev/', try as root, try as user. Should report your permission problem. |
| 17:17.13 | unfriendly | )) |
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| 17:17.24 | azeem | unfriendly: do you run Debian? |
| 17:17.30 | unfriendly | no |
| 17:17.30 | unfriendly | ;) |
| 17:17.39 | azeem | oh, welcome anyway |
| 17:17.40 | mike_sol | we can help you fix that problem, unfriendly :P |
| 17:17.45 | valdyn | CAiRO: 'strace -eopen xsane 2>&1 | grep /dev/', try as root, try as user. Should report your permission problem. |
| 17:17.48 | unfriendly | okay |
| 17:17.48 | mjk64 | How can I find out on the command line which packages provide, for instance "x-display-manager"? reading "apt-cache dumpavail|less" and searching for that is a little tedious. |
| 17:17.49 | unfriendly | brb |
| 17:17.51 | unfriendly | )) |
| 17:18.03 | maxkueng | Hi. I'd like to mount the Ctrl Key to where Caps Lock is. Does anyone know which file I have to edit to manually configure the keymap? Thanks in advance! |
| 17:18.14 | azeem | maxkueng: are you running GNOME? |
| 17:18.15 | mjk64 | maxkueng: Console or X? |
| 17:18.26 | stew | mjk64: apt-cache showpkg x-display-manager |
| 17:18.32 | maxkueng | I'm using Sawfish under X |
| 17:18.43 | maxkueng | or with X |
| 17:18.45 | azeem | remove Lock = Caps_Lock |
| 17:18.45 | azeem | add Control = Caps_Lock |
| 17:18.50 | azeem | run that with xmodmap |
| 17:18.55 | mjk64 | stew: Cool! Thanks! =) |
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| 17:19.04 | azeem | at least, that's how I'm doing it if I don't run GNOME |
| 17:19.16 | azeem | s/if/when/, probably |
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| 17:19.48 | blizzow | How should I control how many apache2 processes are spawned when I start the apache2 server? |
| 17:19.52 | stew | maxkueng: you can also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and put "ctrl:swapcaps" or "ctrl:nocaps" when it asks about keyboard options |
| 17:20.06 | SlayerXP | blijblijblij: edit the apache2 config file |
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| 17:20.10 | SlayerXP | errr |
| 17:20.18 | SlayerXP | blizzow: edit the apache2 config file |
| 17:20.20 | S4nD3r | found USB scanner (vendor=0x0458, product=0x201a [600DPI USB Scanner], chip=GT-6816) at libusb:001:002 |
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| 17:20.27 | S4nD3r | After this, I dont know what to do |
| 17:20.41 | S4nD3r | Im installing xsane |
| 17:20.45 | S4nD3r | I installed sane |
| 17:20.59 | maxkueng | azeem, is there no configutarion file to manually change this? |
| 17:21.18 | valdyn | S4nD3r: ..and xsane does not find a scanner? |
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| 17:21.26 | S4nD3r | Its installing |
| 17:21.27 | maass | hey |
| 17:21.41 | mechathrow | Does Debian have a graphical user interface(don't laugh) ? |
| 17:21.41 | stew | maxkueng: you could put those commands into ~/.xmodmap and run xmodmap ~/.xmodmap in your .xsession before starting a wm |
| 17:21.46 | S4nD3r | device `gt68xx:libusb:001:002' is a Genius Colorpage Vivid4xe flatbed scanner |
| 17:21.53 | blizzow | SlayerXP: will apache2 generate more processes if needed? |
| 17:22.02 | S4nD3r | scanimage -L |
| 17:22.03 | maxkueng | stew, okay, i'll try that |
| 17:22.04 | stew | mechathrow: it provides just about anything freely available, what are you looking for specifically? |
| 17:22.06 | maxkueng | thanks |
| 17:22.09 | maass | any german? |
| 17:22.12 | stew | !de |
| 17:22.12 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 17:22.21 | azeem | maxkueng: yeah, what stew said |
| 17:22.28 | azeem | I was being a bit unspecific |
| 17:22.45 | stew | teamwork makes the dream work |
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| 17:22.58 | mechathrow | stew : I just installed Debian, am logged in as the root....but I still get a "dos-esque" screen. I've seen screenshots of something more like OSX, or Windows....but I'm not sure how to "start" it. |
| 17:23.20 | mtnman | mechathrow: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 17:23.20 | stew | mechathrow: do you know if you want to run gnome or kde or xfce or whatever? |
| 17:23.22 | David_K | startx |
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| 17:23.43 | mtnman | stew: i doubt he knows the difference |
| 17:24.24 | mechathrow | <laugh> you're right mtnman....I know you guys are finding humor in me being a super newb...but hey. |
| 17:24.25 | streuner | stew: thanks |
| 17:24.33 | maxkueng | stew, ~/.xmodmaprc is empty or non-existant |
| 17:24.52 | mechathrow | I will try apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 17:24.52 | mtnman | mechathrow: you will need to in stall x-window-system-core and a window manager. |
| 17:25.12 | mtnman | mechathrow: be prepared to answer questions about your hardware |
| 17:25.54 | mechathrow | will the hardware effect the install of Window System Core? |
| 17:26.01 | stew | maxkueng: did you run "xmodmap" or "xmodmap .xmodmap" you could mv .xmodmap .xmodmaprc, i guess that is the default |
| 17:26.11 | mechathrow | brb |
| 17:26.20 | valdyn | !xwindows |
| 17:26.20 | dpkg | xwindows is, like, NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 17:27.08 | stew | mechathrow: mechathrow along with x-window-system-core install either gnome or kde, i'd recommend you give each a quick test drive and see which you prefer. |
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| 17:27.32 | mtnman | stew: gnome or kde is not required to use X |
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| 17:27.43 | stew | mtnman: certainly not |
| 17:28.05 | mtnman | stew: you're comment made it sound so. i wanted to let the newbie know. |
| 17:28.21 | stew | mtnman: but someone who has never used linux before and is looking for "more like OSX, or Windows" id recommend those as starting points |
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| 17:28.53 | mtnman | stew: i do not recall seeing anyone ask for something osx or windows, but i could have missed it. |
| 17:29.02 | stew | mtnman: you missed it |
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| 17:29.46 | mtnman | stew: ok. i suppose, thought, that since he doesn't know a thing about X that he'd be better off with something like kde. |
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| 17:29.53 | mtnman | *though |
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| 17:30.11 | ravigehlot | User X is the Administrator. User A and B are clients of X. A and B can FTP to their respective directories. User X wants to have enough privileges to write and delete to anyones directory considering that everyone is jailed into their own directories but X. How do I give X these enough privileges? |
| 17:30.26 | S4nD3r | Is so hard to install USB Scanner in linux |
| 17:30.43 | resiak | ravigehlot: give X +w on the appropriate directories and the files therein |
| 17:30.45 | numist | why would anyone buy "The Complete Idiot's Guide To: X" |
| 17:30.52 | numist | I dont want a book that clearly labels me as such... |
| 17:31.09 | mtnman | numist: never overestimate a complete idiot. |
| 17:31.19 | numist | granted |
| 17:31.22 | ravigehlot | resiak: What X +w does? |
| 17:31.36 | stew | !wikifaq ravigehlot Permissions |
| 17:31.40 | dpkg | ravigehlot: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:31.40 | maxkueng | stew, if I ls -la ~/ i can't see any file called .xpodmap or .xmodpaprc. and if i run xmpdmap .xmodmap or xmodmap .xmodmaprc it returns an error |
| 17:31.47 | resiak | ravigehlot: Do this by making a new group, chown -R .newgroup the appropriate directories, chmod g+s the directories, adduser X newgroup |
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| 17:31.57 | maxkueng | stew, it asys "undble to read..." |
| 17:32.02 | maxkueng | *unable |
| 17:32.04 | mechathrow | stew mtnman - I am insalling XWindows at the moment....if I have trouble with it I will try the others Gnome, or KDE. Will X-Windows Start automattically after install? |
| 17:32.06 | azeem | maxkueng: you were supposed to create that file, with the content I mentioned earlier |
| 17:32.09 | Rawplayer | or use chattr |
| 17:32.20 | resiak | mechathrow: X on its own is useless. Also apt-get install gnome |
| 17:32.22 | maxkueng | azeem, aah! okay |
| 17:32.24 | azeem | mechathrow: X-Window is just the underlying system |
| 17:32.35 | azeem | mechathrow: you need something else like GNOME or KDE to actually do something useful |
| 17:32.41 | resiak | mechathrow: Once you're in there, then you can play around with trying KDE or whatever if you're not happy with Gnome. |
| 17:32.44 | mtnman | mechathrow: i suggest you install kde. after all is installed, run startx to start X. |
| 17:32.53 | stew | mechathrow: yes if you install kde or gnome then x should start automatically |
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| 17:33.06 | sphinx | hola |
| 17:33.14 | larsioaS | Does anybody in here work with Sun Cobalt RAQ 550? |
| 17:33.24 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 17:33.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:33.27 | Jon`` | ok yeah you guys were right about the CD, once i burned it with nero its installing fine :) |
| 17:33.30 | ravigehlot | resiak: will try |
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| 17:33.41 | sphinx | alguien habla español |
| 17:33.47 | mjk64 | !es |
| 17:33.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:33.57 | azeem | Jon`: cool |
| 17:34.15 | sphinx | tankyou |
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| 17:36.16 | resiak | ravigehlot: You should read the wiki page too |
| 17:36.49 | ravigehlot | resiak: yes |
| 17:36.54 | maxkueng | azeem, stew, it works now. thank you |
| 17:37.03 | bedboi | i've dist-upgraded right now, it seems that tetex-bin is broken |
| 17:37.09 | ravigehlot | resiak: but chown -R .newgroup is returning "too many few arguments" |
| 17:37.15 | stew | bedboi: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:37.31 | stew | ravigehlot: you must say who to chown to after the -R |
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| 17:37.58 | resiak | ravigehlot: man chown |
| 17:38.02 | ravigehlot | stew: something like chown -R .newgroup stew ? |
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| 17:38.19 | stew | ravigehlot: no chown -R stew .newgroup |
| 17:38.27 | stew | ravigehlot: is .newgroup a directory? |
| 17:38.31 | ravigehlot | stew: no |
| 17:38.34 | resiak | ravigehlot: chown -R .newgroup /the/directories/X/should/be/able/to/access |
| 17:38.41 | ravigehlot | resiak: ok |
| 17:38.42 | resiak | stew: No, it's a group name, hence being after the . |
| 17:38.54 | stew | ravigehlot: oh you want chgrp -R newgroup /path |
| 17:39.05 | resiak | ravigehlot: You should read man chmod and man chown and the wiki page so that you understand what the instructions that I gave you mean |
| 17:39.18 | stew | resiak: this type of confusion is probably why using . instead of : is deprecated |
| 17:39.19 | resiak | ravigehlot: I would stay here and walk you through it, but I have to write evil hacky java |
| 17:39.22 | resiak | sorry :-) |
| 17:39.37 | resiak | stew: My hands are tired, and : is harder to type. :-) Sorry. |
| 17:39.40 | ravigehlot | resiak: I got it |
| 17:39.42 | stew | heh |
| 17:39.48 | ravigehlot | resiak: You were pretty clear |
| 17:39.50 | resiak | stew: (and no, : is not on the home row. :-)) |
| 17:40.05 | resiak | ravigehlot: I'm aware I didn't _explain_, though. |
| 17:40.06 | numist | depends on the keyboard |
| 17:40.07 | resiak | *bamf* |
| 17:40.11 | stew | you aren't supposed to get tired hands with your dvorak layout |
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| 17:40.29 | numist | stew: you spend 20 hours a day banging away like a monkey on meth then |
| 17:40.39 | stew | i do |
| 17:40.40 | numist | my hands are tired |
| 17:40.45 | ravigehlot | resiak: Response:550 New folder: Permission denied |
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| 17:40.53 | resiak | *schlorp* stew: Too much evil hacky java. :-) *bamf* |
| 17:41.04 | paulswm | resiak: vvv |
| 17:41.04 | resiak | ravigehlot: THat looks lke ftp ... not going to go there. :-) |
| 17:41.08 | paulswm | !truth about java |
| 17:41.08 | dpkg | from memory, truth about java is that it's a scam language based on hype, designed to be used by pimple-faced medium-IQ adolescents |
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| 17:41.52 | ravigehlot | resiak: yep |
| 17:41.56 | mechathrow | stew mtnman - Still installing, ran through the setup of X....about to install KDE |
| 17:42.04 | ravigehlot | resiak: the main reason for this is FTP |
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| 17:44.06 | S4nD3r | xsane didnt find my scanner |
| 17:44.10 | S4nD3r | what to do now ? |
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| 17:44.52 | aleph0 | hello everyone. |
| 17:44.54 | aleph0 | I need urgent help |
| 17:45.12 | stouset | Ask your question. |
| 17:45.37 | aleph0 | our webserver is very(!) unresponsive; top tells me most CPU time is used for IO-Wait and dmesg is full of "hda: lost interrupt" |
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| 17:46.18 | stouset | Hard drive is dying. |
| 17:46.29 | aleph0 | I was afraid you'd type that |
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| 17:46.50 | stouset | Do you do backups? |
| 17:47.13 | aleph0 | of course |
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| 17:47.26 | stew | aleph0: try switching IDE cables |
| 17:47.39 | stew | aleph0: its a long shot, but i've had it be the problem before |
| 17:47.48 | Lee__ | is it possible to have a member of a RAID-1 array with a partition ID of 83 (Linux) ? |
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| 17:47.57 | aleph0 | thanks stew but the server is off site. |
| 17:48.12 | stew | aleph0: someone must be onsite |
| 17:48.14 | stouset | There are a few things you can try. Install smartmontools, and run 'smartctl -t /dev/hda' to test it. |
| 17:48.20 | aleph0 | indeed. |
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| 17:48.40 | aleph0 | I'll call them as soon as they return to work tomorrow morning |
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| 17:49.06 | stouset | Lee__: members of RAID arrays don't have their own partitions. The RAID controller manages that stuff at a higher layer than the disk drive itself. |
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| 17:49.27 | sm | hi all, how do I get fuseftp installed ? none of the methods at http://wiki.thiesen.org/page/Fuseftp work for me |
| 17:49.28 | stouset | Lee__: If you're asking whether or not it's possible to use partition IDs of 83 with RAID, that would be yes... |
| 17:49.28 | sniperjo | hi guys, I need help with ddclient and a router |
| 17:49.37 | Lee__ | stouset, I've always saw their partitions in fdisk as type fd (linux raid autodetect) |
| 17:49.41 | stouset | aleph0: smartctl tests against the SMART reporting of most disks. |
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| 17:50.12 | stew | stouset: wait, with software raid, the individual paritions would likely have ID 83 |
| 17:50.13 | Lee__ | but here I have a failed partition of type 83 |
| 17:50.13 | stouset | Lee__: Then that's something that the RAID controller handles on its own. If you put a disk into an array it should wipe the disk and start using it for its own purposes. |
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| 17:50.20 | sniperjo | is anyone here using DDCLIENT? |
| 17:50.20 | Lee__ | cool, thanks. |
| 17:50.26 | stew | Lee__: is this software or hardware raid? |
| 17:50.30 | stouset | stew: Yes, but not hardware. Guess it would help to know which he was talking about :) |
| 17:50.30 | Lee__ | software |
| 17:50.33 | samuel | sniperjo, ye, why? |
| 17:50.35 | stouset | Lee__: Oh. Yes, then. |
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| 17:50.55 | stouset | Lee__: Sorry, assumed you were talking about hardware raid. |
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| 17:51.11 | sniperjo | smual: I need help setting up ddclient to go roud my router, at the moment it is only reporting the internal ip |
| 17:51.45 | Lee__ | so if this partition is marked as failed in the array and I remove it, can I just run fsck on it and try and add it back? |
| 17:51.46 | stouset | sniperjo: ddclient I know has for a fact the ability to fetch the IP from outside sources. |
| 17:51.53 | stouset | sniperjo: like whatismyip.com, or whatever it is. |
| 17:51.59 | DarKnesS_WolF | i'm compiling some kind of driver for a webcam when i do that i got this make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/build: No such file or directory and i have linux-sorce installed .. what i'm missing ? |
| 17:52.03 | sniperjo | ok but how :P |
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| 17:52.21 | stouset | Lee__: It would probably be better to r |
| 17:52.25 | stouset | Argh |
| 17:52.35 | Lee__ | better to argh? :) |
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| 17:52.56 | stouset | Lee__: It would probably be better to have the software raid rebuild the second disk. Doing a fsck runs the risk of causing it to become out of sync. |
| 17:53.00 | stouset | Or so I would assume. |
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| 17:53.03 | red_ | hello, I am running 3.1 and I have a raid device in /etc/fstab.. when i reboot something rewrites my etc/fstab do you kow what is re writing the fstab? |
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| 17:53.24 | Lee__ | I see. so I readd it to the array and it should automatically rebuild. |
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| 17:53.45 | stouset | Lee__: So I assume. I've only had experience with hardware RAID, but that's how I would expect it to work. |
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| 17:54.08 | Lee__ | the mdadm manpage implies you are right. |
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| 17:54.15 | [bschelst] | hi. We have a problem with a 200 gb disk over here. It's doing a filesystem check now and is giving errors like 'Unattached inode 10461971' 'Connect to /lost+found? yes' . Does somebody know if we will loose that data? |
| 17:54.17 | stouset | I assume also that having the RAID software expect two disks to be in sync when they actually aren't would cause lots and lots of heisenbugs. |
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| 17:54.37 | ichigo21 | hello everybody |
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| 17:54.42 | noloK | hi |
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| 17:54.49 | ichigo21 | does anyone know the spanish channel of debian |
| 17:54.51 | ichigo21 | ? |
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| 17:54.57 | stouset | !es |
| 17:54.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:55.04 | ichigo21 | thank you |
| 17:55.07 | DarKnesS_WolF | !linux-source |
| 17:55.11 | Lee__ | well, they are definitely not in sync...perhaps a reformat/rebuild is in order. |
| 17:55.49 | Lee__ | [bschelst], that will attempt to recover the data into the /lost+found dir |
| 17:55.50 | SimonRaven | [bschelst]: lost+found is a directory. each partition (should) has one. you'll find any "reattached data" there. you just need to go through the files and see where they belong |
| 17:56.11 | noloK | can somebody explain me why i can't write a CD with over 15x? My CD-RW supports 52x.. |
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| 17:56.22 | noloK | any support or something like that in the kernel? |
| 17:56.28 | binaryfinary | where do I save aterm settings to make it transparent when I open it? |
| 17:56.53 | noloK | i put ide-disk and ide-cdrom in the kernel, not compiled as modules |
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| 17:57.27 | _macros | hello everybody |
| 17:57.37 | DarKnesS_WolF | i'm compiling some kind of driver for a webcam when i do that i got this make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/build: No such file or directory and i have linux-sorce installed .. what i'm missing ? |
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| 17:57.45 | [bschelst] | Lee__ and SimonRaven : but as far a I know, you can't really use the data from the lost+found? we already have 507582 errors, and we still need to check a lot of inodes |
| 17:57.58 | Oceansblue | hello |
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| 17:58.46 | S4nD3r | HOw do I install k3b ? |
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| 17:58.51 | Oceansblue | Trying to get sound working on emachines w4605 |
| 17:58.58 | SimonRaven | afayk |
| 17:59.01 | Oceansblue | using Ubuntu |
| 17:59.08 | Lee__ | !ubuntu |
| 17:59.08 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 17:59.22 | Lee__ | [bschelst], it'll recover what it can. let it run. |
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| 17:59.24 | Oceansblue | ok |
| 17:59.27 | binaryfinary | where do I save aterm settings to make it transparent when I open it? |
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| 17:59.43 | Lee__ | S4nD3r, apt-get install k3b |
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| 17:59.47 | zork7 | lol |
| 17:59.52 | Lopuz | does anyone know when the new kde packages will come? |
| 18:00.02 | simmy | Lopuz : Not soon enough. ;) |
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| 18:00.14 | [bschelst] | Lee__ : just afraid :o it's already running 1,5 hours :'( It's a disaster if we loose data. |
| 18:00.32 | Lee__ | [bschelst], that's what /disaster recovery/ is for. |
| 18:00.41 | SimonRaven | it's a large drive, expect it to take a while |
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| 18:00.43 | S4nD3r | Theres no candidate |
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| 18:00.55 | Jacky^ | hi all |
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| 18:01.00 | Lee__ | !tell S4nD3r about search |
| 18:01.04 | SimonRaven | *nix > * |
| 18:01.19 | S4nD3r | Lee__, I did apt-cache |
| 18:01.34 | Lee__ | strange, I have it installed. you running sarge? |
| 18:01.36 | [bschelst] | Lee__ : we have backups, but that's 4 hours old.. and that's 4 hours lost off course.. and even restoring will take a lot of hours. The stupid application write small files (bytes) to disk.......so billion of files |
| 18:01.40 | _macros | I don't want interrupt anybody... Someone can help me with a problem with i915 chipset and kernel 2.6 (that in the testing Debian NetInst image)? |
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| 18:02.22 | SimonRaven | _macros: just ask the question |
| 18:02.24 | simmy | S4nD3r : If you're running sid, k3b is broken right now. |
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| 18:02.35 | VITIHO | is kde 3.4 broken on unstable? |
| 18:02.39 | simmy | yes. |
| 18:02.42 | VITIHO | or do we have 3.5? |
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| 18:02.52 | simmy | 3.4, and it's broke |
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| 18:02.58 | binaryfinary | where do I save aterm settings to make it transparent when I open it? |
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| 18:03.00 | VITIHO | ok |
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| 18:03.26 | SimonRaven | binaryfinary: ~/.Xresources |
| 18:03.36 | Jacky^ | im tryng to install Debian my pc but it hang on Disabling IRQ #18"... , Ive 3 HD, 2 are used by Raid in windows, the latest (id like to use for linux) is a Maxtor 80Gb IDE, any idea ? |
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| 18:04.31 | DarKnesS_WolF | i'm compiling some kind of driver for a webcam when i do that i got this make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/build: No such file or directory and i have linux-sorce installed .. what i'm missing ? |
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| 18:04.47 | binaryfinary | that file does not exist so I should create it? |
| 18:04.49 | caphuso | DarKnesS_WolF: header, not source |
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| 18:05.11 | _macros | So, I hadn't trouble during installation, but at the boot the kernel detect my chipset as i810 and freeze (an oops during modprobe of agp driver). My notebook's chipset is a i915. I don't know what's the problem, I suppose the kernel *has* i915 support... (sorry for my poor english) |
| 18:05.16 | red_ | hello, I am running 3.1 and I have a raid device in /etc/fstab.. when i reboot something rewrites my etc/fstab do you kow what is re writing the fstab? |
| 18:05.28 | DarKnesS_WolF | caphuso: thx |
| 18:07.04 | binaryfinary | didn't work |
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| 18:08.16 | thingfish | _macros: did you try linux26 at the installer's boot prompt? |
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| 18:09.16 | ghost-x | hello boys and girls |
| 18:09.22 | S4nD3r | simmy, oh |
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| 18:09.29 | S4nD3r | simmy, Im using sarge |
| 18:09.31 | numist | sorry, ghost-x, but we're all adults in here |
| 18:09.39 | binaryfinary | whats a good pdf viewer for debian? |
| 18:09.48 | _macros | the installere tell me that "install" will install 2.6 and "kernel24" will use 2.4. In other words, he default option |
| 18:09.49 | FlimFlamMan | anyone care to recommend an easy to use CMS in the debian repositories? |
| 18:09.50 | numist | I use less |
| 18:09.52 | numist | >_> |
| 18:09.55 | _macros | is 2.6 |
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| 18:10.07 | numist | binaryfinary: gpdf/xpdf are good |
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| 18:10.17 | Catch`CoNdA | Hey I have a problem with debian, I recently upgraded to testing and I got a conflict with udev and hotplug. Hotplug can be installed, but udev requires hotplug to be removed.. but it still wont be install after it has been done. > udev: Depends: hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17) |
| 18:10.27 | FlimFlamMan | also, a CMS with the ability for an admin to preview content before pushing it out live would be great. |
| 18:10.29 | hardybm | binaryfinary: Acrobat reader is better I think |
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| 18:10.55 | jamuraa | is there a generic answer for unicode showing as boxes in gnome applications (and firefox) |
| 18:11.09 | hardybm | gpdf and xpdf has some problems with newer versions of PDF documents |
| 18:11.14 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: that is correct, they conflict now, if you want to keep udev, then purge hotplug, or vice-versa |
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| 18:11.21 | nerdy2 | jamuraa, it means you don't have the fonts that cover that range of unicode |
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| 18:11.45 | jade | anyone else have trouble accessing samba shares on sarge 3.1 |
| 18:11.46 | jade | ? |
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| 18:11.50 | Diablo_ | i have a debian testing instaled, when try to install some program with apt say broken paquets i need some repositories for debian testing thanks :) |
| 18:11.55 | Lee__ | jade, no |
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| 18:12.02 | stew | jade: what trouble are you having? |
| 18:12.12 | jamuraa | nerdy2: right, but is there a specific package which is recommended to install to remedy it? a package search on unicode doesn't show any obvious ones |
| 18:12.24 | stew | Diablo_: what packages are giving you problems? |
| 18:12.31 | Diablo_ | k3b |
| 18:12.41 | red_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.55 | nerdy2 | jamuraa, i don't believe there's a single package, install the fonts you need, or (alternatively) all the fonts you can get your hands on, a lot of them start ttf-* |
| 18:12.55 | Catch`CoNdA | stew: but I am pretty sure I need both, we can I do then? |
| 18:12.56 | stew | Diablo_: k3b was removed from testing temporarily for the kde3.4 transition, it will return soon |
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| 18:13.11 | nerdy2 | jamuraa, so you can try apt-get install ttf-* |
| 18:13.32 | Diablo_ | and i try to use a tv capture card with a phillips chip and i can't :( |
| 18:13.34 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: udev now contains most of the hotplug functionality with the exception of automatic driver loading |
| 18:13.55 | Catch`CoNdA | Alrite, so I should just purge hotplug then? |
| 18:14.18 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: yes, and you should add to /etc/modules, any modules which hotplug is autmatically loading |
| 18:14.56 | stew | Catch`CoNdA: and if you were blacklisting modules with hotplug, then blacklist them now in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:14.59 | thingfish | _macros: the default kernel for the sarge installer is 2.4. If you want 2.6, you have to specify it. |
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| 18:15.03 | hardybm | Just a few days ago id did an upgrade to Kernel2.6. So I have now many problems: Sound is bad function, my network interfaces was swaped, my usb-flas don't work anymore |
| 18:15.06 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 18:15.13 | AoA | can somebody tell me what is .static folder in /dev ? |
| 18:15.24 | numist | dont touch it, you might shock yourself |
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| 18:15.43 | stew | AoA: you are running udev which creates /dev entries dynamically .static is the original static /dev |
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| 18:15.44 | hardybm | AoA is used by udev |
| 18:15.57 | _macros | I have installed this one http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso. This isn't Etch? |
| 18:16.00 | AoA | what is UDEV ? |
| 18:16.11 | PupenoL | Is it possible to make fam run a script when a file is created/changed in a certain folder (can famd do that ? or another service ?) ? |
| 18:16.18 | hardybm | AoA: Google -> UDEV ;-))) |
| 18:16.22 | AoA | ok |
| 18:16.40 | thingfish | _macros: ok, yes, that is testing. Not sure which kernel it uses. |
| 18:16.52 | hardybm | AoA: udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 18:17.00 | red_ | does anyone know how to control IRQ's on the OS level... For example I wan to force a device to use a certain IRQ |
| 18:17.10 | ekix | hi. anybody know of any documentation how patch the debian installer with custom kernel? |
| 18:17.24 | ekix | s/how/how to/ |
| 18:17.32 | _macros | I think > 2.6.10, but I'm not sure |
| 18:17.37 | naphex | Not strictly a debian question, but let's try. If I ping -f a sarge box (new install), it triggers an almost instantaneous reboot. Nothing appears in /var/log/syslog. Is there some tool I can use to find the origin of the problem? |
| 18:17.43 | Catch`CoNdA | stew: take a look here; http://pastebin.com/442460 .. Do you reconize the problem, it seems like I can not purge hotplug because it depends on udev, I can not remove udev because hal depends on it. |
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| 18:18.01 | hardybm | AoA: udev is the new way to manage the file devices under /dev. The mos interesting features are is dynamic and works on user space |
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| 18:18.37 | DevilChaos | stew:u there? |
| 18:18.42 | thingfish | _macros: I suspect 2.6.12, but I have no idea. |
| 18:18.45 | AoA | hardybm : I think I have some problem with that ...What will happend if I desable that proces ? |
| 18:18.48 | ekix | found it. thanks anyway :) |
| 18:18.51 | _macros | May be the i915 support is not built in the kernel? |
| 18:18.52 | hardybm | Someone know how to force eth0 to be an specific NIC ? |
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| 18:19.07 | jade | when i try and access network from gnome desktop "Computer" icon, the desktop icon displays circular wait symbol. i can try some smbmount as follows 'smbmount //Pearl/kenny\ shared ./smb-mnt -o guest' diagnostics message is 'timeout connecting to 192.168.1.10:445' |
| 18:19.21 | dli | hardybm, apt-get install ifrename |
| 18:19.26 | thingfish | _macros: maybe, I don't know. |
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| 18:20.16 | hardybm | AoA: To be honest I don't know the exact consecuences but is a very bad idea stop the udev daemon. IF you do try to star again doing /etc/init.d/udev start |
| 18:20.28 | thingfish | _macros: ask again in a while; maybe someone who has experience with the etch installer will show up. |
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| 18:20.30 | _macros | I'll try to boot with a live distro with a kernel super/iper/mega accessoried, then... And if so, I compile a new kernel frome there |
| 18:20.43 | sandman | Has Debian ever considered modifying portage to run and install stuff to /usr/local? |
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| 18:21.07 | junix-br | abrotman the D-I with kernel 2.6.12 work fine |
| 18:21.08 | sandman | So as to use the gentoo to benefit debian? |
| 18:21.09 | hardybm | dli: Do you know why: "alias eth0 my-module" and "alias eth1 my-module" don't work anymore with 2.6 ? |
| 18:21.11 | junix-br | =) |
| 18:21.14 | sandman | It'd sure shut a lot of those people up. |
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| 18:21.19 | slibs | any idea why i cannot install gdesklets with apt-get so that it would work? |
| 18:21.37 | Jon` | how do you configure the xfree86 on debian? |
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| 18:21.51 | thingfish | !drxx Jon` |
| 18:21.55 | dpkg | Jon`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:21.57 | _macros | thanx thingfish, :) |
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| 18:22.17 | sandman | I think portage should be modified to work with dpkg, such that one could apt-get install portage, and it would automatically insert all packages installed @ debian as stubs in portage. |
| 18:22.19 | dli | hardybm, maybe, you can assign the order in udev or the module order |
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| 18:22.26 | MachitoPonce | hola |
| 18:22.29 | MachitoPonce | ya regrese |
| 18:22.35 | sandman | Then one could emerge stuff, but it would all go into /usr/local |
| 18:22.41 | thingfish | _macros: you're welcome. Sorry I couldn't be more help. |
| 18:23.07 | sandman | dpkg would work outside of portage still, however. What happens @ /usr/local is its own business :) Does that sound like something that could be construed as useful? |
| 18:23.09 | dpkg | sandman: what are you talking about? |
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| 18:23.16 | hardybm | dli: You can give me any clue to do that ? |
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| 18:23.57 | dli | hardybm, you can make one driver built-in, it's eth0, and modprobe the other later :) |
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| 18:24.32 | dli | hardybm, you can use ifrename :) |
| 18:24.53 | Lee__ | sandman, dpkg is a robot |
| 18:25.16 | Jon` | i'm getting fatal IO Error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining when i try to startx |
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| 18:25.32 | Jon` | up at the top it says no devices detected and fatal server error: no screens found |
| 18:25.33 | hardybm | dli: :) I wil be happy with the old way "module alias"...but if I have no choice y will try to use ifrename |
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| 18:26.41 | bluefox83 | i need a lil help with the Evolution e-mail client..for some reason the spellcheck option is grayed out in the menu =( |
| 18:26.51 | Lee__ | mine too, weird. |
| 18:27.05 | bluefox83 | there has to be SOME way to fix it! |
| 18:27.09 | red_ | Does anybody know how to contro IRQ allocation on the linux level? |
| 18:29.05 | Lee__ | bluefox83, you could report the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=evolution&archive=no&version=&dist=stable |
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| 18:31.12 | bluefox83 | Lee__, i seriously doubt it's a bug..i'm pretty sure it's something on my part.. |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | junix-br: good |
| 18:31.46 | Lee__ | perhaps the evolution package suggests/recommends a package to enable spell check? |
| 18:32.20 | bluefox83 | how would i check for that? |
| 18:32.32 | Lee__ | I think there's an apt-cache option |
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| 18:33.05 | saloxin | bluefox83: apt-cache show evolution should show you |
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| 18:33.50 | Lee__ | bluefox83, gnome-spell? |
| 18:33.52 | bluefox83 | ah-hah! thank you saloxin |
| 18:34.02 | bluefox83 | Lee__, i think that's what i need.. |
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| 18:34.46 | ubu58er | hallo |
| 18:35.19 | bluefox83 | that was it! it works :) |
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| 18:39.04 | maxkueng | does anyone konw a good image viewer for x? |
| 18:39.16 | Bob332 | maxkueng, gaim |
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| 18:39.41 | red_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.42 | valdyn | maxkueng: xli |
| 18:39.49 | maxkueng | Bob332, as far as I know, GAIM is an instant messenger |
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| 18:39.57 | maxkueng | valdyn, got a link? |
| 18:40.04 | Bob332 | maxkueng, sorry...i meant gimp |
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| 18:40.23 | _macros | I hadn't trouble during installation, but at the boot the kernel detect my chipset as i810 and freeze (an oops during modprobe of agp driver). My notebook's chipset is a i915. I don't know what's the problem, I suppose the kernel *has* i915 support... |
| 18:40.27 | sTone_heAd | maxkueng, xzgv or gqview |
| 18:40.30 | valdyn | maxkueng: apt-cache show works |
| 18:40.36 | hardybm | My debian box (2.6) loads a lot of modules (98: lsmod | wc -l). Does anyone knows how to avoid this and only load the useful modules ? |
| 18:40.59 | valdyn | hardybm: what makes you think that these loaded modules are not useful? |
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| 18:41.10 | thingfish | _macros: you need to include in that info that you're using the etch installer. |
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| 18:41.29 | maxkueng | thanks everyone. i'll have a look at those |
| 18:41.39 | _macros | thingfish: ops. That's true. :) |
| 18:41.40 | hardybm | valdyn: I have alot of them related with crypto API nad currently I'm not interested on this... |
| 18:41.40 | myren | tortsen said he was going to orphan OpenLDAP, how do i check its status to see if he's done it yet? |
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| 18:41.59 | valdyn | hardybm: like which? |
| 18:42.23 | hardybm | serpent, twofish, blowfish, aes_256....and so |
| 18:42.48 | _macros | During the boot of my Etch installation, the kernel detect my chipset as i810 and freeze (an oops during modprobe of agp driver). My notebook's chipset is a i915. I don't know what's the problem, I suppose the kernel *has* i915 support... |
| 18:42.50 | guttalax | ok, no help from bots or wiki |
| 18:42.51 | valdyn | hardybm: you used or loaded something that needs that |
| 18:42.58 | guttalax | I need gcc-4.0 debs for sarge |
| 18:43.23 | valdyn | guttalax: why do you? |
| 18:43.39 | hardybm | they just appear after upgrade to 2.6. With 2.4 I dont have such modules |
| 18:44.01 | guttalax | valdyn to compare the size of the executable I get with the one compiled with gcc-3.4 |
| 18:44.05 | valdyn | guttalax: im asking because circumstancially using something compile with gcc-4.0 will require a huge trail of depends to be compiled with that too |
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| 18:44.41 | guttalax | valdyn: it's a self contained prog, does that apply also for the standard libc ? |
| 18:44.52 | Jon` | what X server driver should I use? |
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| 18:44.59 | Jon` | I don't see the card the server has listed really |
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| 18:45.26 | valdyn | guttalax: nope, only for libstc++ and anything exporting/using the c++ ABI |
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| 18:45.28 | hardybm | valdyn: The column used showed by lsmod it has vale 0. Doesn't mean that the modules are not in use ? |
| 18:45.42 | guttalax | valdyn ok, that's ok for me, my program is in C |
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| 18:47.22 | _shad_ | I'm trying to get hotplug to work with an HP1000. when I plug it in, it recognizes the printer but does not run the hotplug script. But, if I restart the hotplug service, then it runs the script. Am I missing something? |
| 18:47.58 | guttalax | ok I think I'll compile gcc-4 myself |
| 18:48.00 | guttalax | bye |
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| 18:50.11 | valdyn | hardybm: yea. |
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| 18:50.30 | runa | hey :) what was the channel for amd64? |
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| 18:50.58 | valdyn | _shad_: are you using a custom kernel? |
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| 18:51.30 | stew | runa: #debian-amd64 |
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| 18:51.36 | runa | stew: danke |
| 18:51.37 | _shad_ | valdyn: Yes I am |
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| 18:51.38 | percussio_ | suis revenu, peux pas bouter sur les dvd |
| 18:51.45 | Linux_man19 | Alguém aqui poderia me dar uma ajuda??? |
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| 18:52.02 | numist | ack thats french |
| 18:52.04 | jade | what is the max memory configuration that Debian supports? |
| 18:52.16 | numist | and portuguese, iirc |
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| 18:52.49 | hardybm | Linux_man19: Podemos intentar. Que necesitas ? |
| 18:52.49 | valdyn | _shad_: wherever you plugged that printer in is not an interface which your kernel is generating hotplug events for. |
| 18:53.01 | jack-black | can someone tell me a good lightweight slideshow program like Presentation? |
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| 18:54.34 | _shad_ | valdyn: Could it be the fact that i have printer support in the kernel and not as a module? |
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| 18:56.15 | orchid | jade: I think the kernel determines how much memory is supported, look for the HIGHMEM lines in /boot/configXXX |
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| 18:56.37 | paulswm | jade: depends on the kernel config, and on your CPU, but the kernel can support up to 64GB of memory on 32 bit, and I think no restriction on 64 bit apart from the CPUs ability |
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| 18:57.06 | Silent_al | is it possible to install programs on knoppix with dpkg? (on the virtual drive of course) |
| 18:57.08 | valdyn | _shad_: dont think so, maybe that interface just isnt hotplugged ( is it a parallel port? ) |
| 18:57.28 | _shad_ | valdyn: usb port |
| 18:57.36 | abrotman | Silent_al: #knoppix |
| 18:58.01 | Silent_al | abrotman , gotcha' |
| 18:58.04 | Silent_al | ;-) |
| 18:58.32 | _shad_ | valdyn: When I plug the printer in, I do get a message in syslog about it finding the printer though |
| 18:58.38 | numist | I would like 64gB of ram. bits are for wussies, I want bytes |
| 18:58.39 | valdyn | _shad_: now that should work defenitely |
| 18:59.13 | stouset | numist: Yeah! Bits aren't even addressable. How lame is that? |
| 18:59.30 | numist | I know! what about those 8 bools I want to get to!? |
| 18:59.53 | valdyn | _shad_: do you have hotplug support compiled in? |
| 19:00.01 | numist | hehe... bools are so silly. it would save a lot of space if we could have 1 or 2 bit var types, but then addressing them and registers make it a nightmare |
| 19:00.02 | stouset | paulswm: I assume there would be a memory limitation for 64-bit, it would just be disgustingly high. |
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| 19:00.49 | jade | anyone know max memory configuration supported by debian sarge? |
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| 19:00.59 | stouset | paulswm: Isn't the maximum available amount of memory 2^bits * wordlength? |
| 19:01.07 | valdyn | jade: not enough info, it depends on your architecture |
| 19:01.17 | _shad_ | valdyn: Where would I find that in the config? |
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| 19:01.29 | valdyn | _shad_: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:01.40 | paulswm | stouset: But the kernel has to do some fancy arithmetic to address 4GB or greater in 32 bit, no such limitation on 64 until you get to 16 TB I think :) |
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| 19:01.51 | hardybm | Upgrade to kernel 2.6 has swapped my NICs (eth0 -> eth1 and eth1 -> eth0). The modules.conf approach "alias eth0 my-module" doesn't work anymore even doing that in the file /etc/modprobe.d/interfaces. Somebody knows how to fix this ?? |
| 19:02.06 | stouset | paulswm: Mmm...16TB of memory. You could cache the Internet in memory ;) |
| 19:02.17 | valdyn | hardybm: 'ifrename' works somewhat, feel free to try.. |
| 19:02.19 | stouset | hardybm: ifrename, from apt. |
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| 19:03.10 | aula | e ai galera! |
| 19:03.22 | aula | todo mundo |
| 19:03.23 | stew | its gotta big much bigger than 16TB |
| 19:03.33 | stouset | stew: Well, useful content at least. |
| 19:03.36 | stew | dpkg: 16 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 |
| 19:03.36 | dpkg | 17592186044416 |
| 19:03.37 | aula | algum brasileiro por aqui? |
| 19:03.40 | stew | dpkg 2 ** 64 |
| 19:03.40 | dpkg | 18446744073709551616 |
| 19:03.44 | Silent_al | stew lol |
| 19:03.45 | _shad_ | valdyn: I do, but do you know where it is in menuconfig? |
| 19:03.55 | stew | !br |
| 19:03.56 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:03.56 | stouset | stew: Then again, that would probably fit in 1GB... |
| 19:03.57 | hardybm | But, why kernel 2.6 has broken this ? |
| 19:04.08 | aula | cade a turma do 406? |
| 19:04.20 | valdyn | _shad_: nope, options is CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y |
| 19:04.28 | stouset | hardybm: It's not broken, because the order was never guaranteed in the first place. It's typically named based on in what order the module is loaded. |
| 19:04.32 | _shad_ | valdyn: then I do. Weird |
| 19:04.37 | stew | !tell aula about br |
| 19:05.03 | valdyn | _shad_: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:05.16 | hardybm | stouset: But the old way (kernel 2.4) "alias eth0 my-module" was working pretty well |
| 19:05.29 | _shad_ | valdyn: unstable |
| 19:06.20 | stouset | dpkg: (2**64) / (16 * 1024**6) |
| 19:06.20 | dpkg | 1 |
| 19:06.20 | stew | hardybm: ifrename might be what you are looking for |
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| 19:06.36 | stouset | hardybm: module-init-tools doesn't use that file, any more, IIRC. |
| 19:07.04 | valdyn | _shad_: I'd try a debian kernel to see if that makes a difference at all, i dont have a USB printer here atm to compare this |
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| 19:07.18 | hardybm | Ok, I understand that there are new options nameif, ifrename. But is just for me unacceptable this change... |
| 19:07.31 | _shad_ | valdyn: Will do, thx for your help |
| 19:07.39 | stew | hardybm: you have to force the modules to load in the order you want them named then |
| 19:07.52 | valdyn | _shad_: you could run something like udevmonitor , but even if that brings up nothing that wouldnt mean that hotplug doesnt work.. |
| 19:08.10 | _shad_ | valdyn: ok |
| 19:08.34 | stouset | hardybm: Why is that unacceptable? Read the changelogs of software before you install it. You can't expect software to remain 100% backwards compatible as it advances forwards. |
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| 19:09.09 | _shad_ | valdyn: i'm using hotplug, should I be using udev instead? |
| 19:09.17 | stew | hardybm: if this is unacceptable, i can help you move back to 2.4 |
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| 19:09.25 | hefty | hi |
| 19:09.27 | stew | hardybm: or show you how to get the 2.6 kernel source |
| 19:09.58 | valdyn | _shad_: udev replaces/includes hotplug in unstable |
| 19:10.06 | stew | and testing |
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| 19:10.13 | stouset | _shad_: Yes. |
| 19:10.16 | _shad_ | valdyn: I'll try that first |
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| 19:11.21 | hardybm | stew: Your are rigth, while the software advances is not possible remain 100% backward compatible. But what is the advance of not provide the "alias eth0 my-module" function anymore ? |
| 19:11.37 | valdyn | hardybm: where did you add that line? |
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| 19:12.24 | unlearn^ | how do i enable my samsung mp3 player in debian? |
| 19:12.45 | hardybm | valdyn: First try: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases. Second try: /etc/modprobe.d/interfaces |
| 19:13.32 | hardybm | valdyn: Things like "alias net-pf-10 off |
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| 19:13.43 | hardybm | valdyn: Things like "alias net-pf-10 off" works pretty good |
| 19:13.59 | blaamann | unlearn^: Some mp3 players behaves like memory sticks so you could try to read this, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Flash-Memory-HOWTO/ |
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| 19:14.32 | eheil | clear |
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| 19:15.02 | unlearn^ | k thnx |
| 19:15.03 | TuX | clear |
| 19:15.15 | soymilk | unlearn^: if its usb, it will appear as a scsi drive, e.g. /dev/sda1 which you then mount |
| 19:15.24 | hardybm | valdyn: Doing manual load of modules: modprobre eth0 and modprobe eth1 works in the way which I need. But only if I have "alias eth0 my-module1" and "alias eth1 my-module2" |
| 19:15.26 | stouset | hardybm: Because there are probably better ways of managing what that file did now. Typical procedure is to deprecate the use of a file but still accept is as input. However, support is usually removed at some point down the line, or there are cases where allowing the old and new configuration methods conflict, so they move cold turkey to the new one. |
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| 19:15.48 | stew | unlearn^: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:15.57 | soymilk | unlearn^: tail -f /var/log/syslog and watch when you connect the device... |
| 19:16.23 | unlearn^ | well am dualbooting and sda1 is the windows partition |
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| 19:16.44 | soymilk | unlearn^: then it would be sdb1 watch the syslog... |
| 19:16.59 | unlearn^ | yes i did sdb1 |
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| 19:17.19 | hardybm | stouset: Just I finished to install the linux-doc-2.6.12 package. And I will read all about module-init-tools to know better what they are doing.... |
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| 19:18.29 | soymilk | unlearn^: if you always want to mount it regardless of whether it is sda, sdb, the run "blkid /dev/sdb1" and use "UUID=<uuid of device" in place of the device name in /etc/fstab |
| 19:19.10 | unlearn^ | k |
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| 19:19.44 | soymilk | unlearn^: this way you can plug/unplug all sorts of different devices but they will always mount, regardless of which order they are attached |
| 19:20.03 | valdyn | hardybm: your alias works only if those modules are loaded by something requesting eth0, but you are probably using hotplug |
| 19:20.11 | unlearn^ | k thnx |
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| 19:20.41 | Jon` | ok im trying to install php and it says xml2-config not found, please check your libxml2 installation, and i've tried both apt-get upgrades and installs on both libxml1 and libxml2, and it still gives me the same error when I do ./configure |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | Jon`: why are you compiling PHP ? |
| 19:21.00 | hardybm | valdyn: I have uninstalled hotplug before used udev |
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| 19:21.13 | Jon` | is there an easier way around it? >.> |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | use apt-get .. like a sane person ? |
| 19:21.27 | Jon` | apt-get install php ? |
| 19:21.27 | blondie | does america have sarcasm yet? |
| 19:21.28 | valdyn | hardybm: that doesnt change a thing in unstable for this, since udev includes hotplug |
| 19:21.36 | abrotman | Jon`: probably |
| 19:21.40 | abrotman | blondie: i do :) |
| 19:21.41 | blondie | Jon`: apt-get install php4 probably |
| 19:21.47 | blondie | and a few other modules ;) |
| 19:21.47 | numist | apt-get install php[4|5] php[4|5]-mysql ... etc etc |
| 19:21.47 | soymilk | Jon`: apt-cache search php to see all the versions/packages available. |
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| 19:21.50 | abrotman | blondie: and i have spare buckets if you want some |
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| 19:21.58 | numist | theres a lot of php[4|5]-* out there |
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| 19:22.05 | abrotman | how about libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 19:22.06 | Octave_Octet | Hi. I'm trying to enable the MIDI of my VIA sound chip.Does Someone knows how to do it ? |
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| 19:22.16 | blondie | numist: php5 is there now? |
| 19:22.24 | numist | abrotman: that gets installed automagically I thought |
| 19:22.24 | Ungy | abrotman, what abtou apache2 |
| 19:22.26 | soymilk | yep |
| 19:22.27 | numist | blondie: it was in sarge |
| 19:22.31 | blondie | erm no |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | Ungy: tha'ts up to him |
| 19:22.34 | paulswm | blondie: America has just about everything, that's why it's such a great place to live, and I speak as a transplanted Brit :) |
| 19:22.36 | valdyn | Octave_Octet: i doubt that soundchip has 'midi' |
| 19:22.37 | abrotman | numist: i'm sure it does |
| 19:22.39 | numist | blondie: wfm, maybe different repos |
| 19:22.41 | Jon` | whats the default apache location for debian? |
| 19:22.49 | abrotman | Jon`: location of what ? |
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| 19:23.01 | Jon` | public_html, htdocs, that type of folder |
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| 19:23.14 | blondie | numist: sarge has php3 and 4, no debian has 5 yet afaik |
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| 19:23.24 | hardybm | valdyn: modprobe is using the files under /etc/modprobe.d. What I need to dow is found the exact place where the NIC modules are loaded and check there how to force the order |
| 19:23.32 | abrotman | well .. public_html is usually a user dir .. and your apache config in /etc/apache[2]/conf/ will tell yu were DocumentRoot is |
| 19:23.35 | SimonRaven | sid has 5 |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | i think etch now too |
| 19:23.53 | valdyn | hardybm: /etc/init.d/udev |
| 19:23.55 | SimonRaven | probably |
| 19:23.58 | eliteforce | is it possible to e.g. filter out cron lines in the syslog file and view that with tail -f ? |
| 19:24.09 | SimonRaven | !info libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:24.13 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1843 kB, Installed size: 3924 kB |
| 19:24.15 | numist | blondie: funny, since I have 5 and I got it via apt... |
| 19:24.17 | SimonRaven | !info libapache2-mod-php5 etch |
| 19:24.20 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1843 kB, Installed size: 3924 kB |
| 19:24.25 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 19:24.29 | soymilk | Jon`: dpkg -L <package> to see a list of all the files/directories in installs... |
| 19:24.30 | blondie | OMG |
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| 19:24.46 | valdyn | hardybm: sure it uses /etc/modprobe.d/ and your aliases are working fine, those aliases just never directly define the module load order |
| 19:24.49 | blondie | numist: well it's certainly not in sarge |
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| 19:24.55 | numist | *shrug* |
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| 19:25.05 | Tchiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.05 | numist | again, wfm |
| 19:25.08 | Tchiak | is where ti generally installs |
| 19:25.22 | Octave_Octet | valdyn: google says it does |
| 19:25.34 | eliteforce | is it possible to e.g. filter out cron lines in the syslog file and view that with tail -f ? |
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| 19:25.40 | blondie | numist: not using sarge then, are you |
| 19:25.43 | binaryfinary | hi |
| 19:25.51 | binaryfinary | how do I install mplayer with the gui? |
| 19:25.54 | blondie | (or you're using a non-standard apt-get source) |
| 19:25.55 | hardybm | valdyn: Please explain me how udev has relation with network interfaces ? |
| 19:25.56 | valdyn | Octave_Octet: you could just read the modprobe manpage too, and google likely said 'it does', not 'it does directly' |
| 19:25.57 | binaryfinary | do I need to add the source? |
| 19:26.00 | numist | blondie: I upgraded when etch became testing, but I recall athena had php5 before sarge was made stable |
| 19:26.00 | stouset | eliteforce: grep not possible? |
| 19:26.11 | Tchiak | !mplayer |
| 19:26.12 | dpkg | well, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 19:26.15 | valdyn | hardybm: it includes hotplug in unstable, which loads your drivers |
| 19:26.24 | blondie | numist: I don't know what athena is, but sarge certainly does not have php5 |
| 19:26.26 | blondie | eof |
| 19:26.41 | stouset | eliteforce: something like watch 'grep -v CRON /var/log/syslog' |
| 19:26.41 | adii | how comes i can't install KDE on etch ? |
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| 19:26.47 | Tchiak | !libdvdread |
| 19:26.47 | eliteforce | stouset: grep is possible, but tail just takes files but grep writes to stdout |
| 19:26.53 | binaryfinary | nah, there is a source |
| 19:26.57 | Tchiak | !libdvdcss |
| 19:26.58 | dpkg | i heard libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 19:27.04 | numist | blondie: again, my apt repos may have something to say about that.. its been a long time since I screwed with that server, I may have backported it or built my own package |
| 19:27.22 | stouset | eliteforce: tail can take standard input |
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| 19:27.54 | binaryfinary | I remember last time I installed xmms with apt |
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| 19:28.02 | bluefox83 | that musta been fun |
| 19:28.05 | binaryfinary | I remember last time I installed mplayer with apt |
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| 19:28.14 | eliteforce | stouset: i dont think so |
| 19:28.18 | binaryfinary | rathyer |
| 19:28.32 | mechathrow | Does anyone know much about installing KDE? |
| 19:28.37 | binaryfinary | it's a sid source |
| 19:28.39 | numist | apt-get install kde? |
| 19:28.41 | stouset | eliteforce: Oh. |
| 19:28.45 | stouset | eliteforce: Actually, just pipe tail through grep. |
| 19:29.03 | stouset | tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep -v CRON |
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| 19:29.23 | mechathrow | When you install KDE....how do you start it to get out of the Linux "dos" looking screen? |
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| 19:29.36 | valdyn | mechathrow: run startx |
| 19:29.38 | stouset | mechathrow: Install kdm |
| 19:30.03 | hardybm | Ok, I will do some test....I'm going to reboot my computer. Thanks for all. I will back in a while |
| 19:30.05 | stouset | valdyn: If he's asking that question, I don't think he's the type that's going to want to run startx at every login, or edit his .bashrc to do it for him. |
| 19:30.07 | numist | mechathrow: if you want to keep the dos looking screen, just type startx. if you never want to see a terminal agan, install kdm |
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| 19:30.23 | mechathrow | what's kdm ? |
| 19:30.31 | valdyn | !kdm |
| 19:30.31 | dpkg | well, kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 19:30.31 | stouset | mechathrow: It's like the Windows login. |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | !info kdm sarge |
| 19:30.40 | mechathrow | Hmm |
| 19:30.41 | dpkg | kdm: (KDE Display Manager), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 1260 kB |
| 19:30.49 | mechathrow | I think keeping the Dos screen CAN come in handy |
| 19:30.51 | eliteforce | stouset: looks like it works, but how can i follow the file then? |
| 19:30.56 | stouset | mechathrow: You can still access it. |
| 19:30.56 | numist | mechathrow: it turns your computer into a full-time gui using kde |
| 19:30.58 | fevel | hey guys whats the best cd/dvd burner in yalls opinion? |
| 19:31.07 | numist | fevel: one that works |
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| 19:31.10 | fevel | lol |
| 19:31.12 | mechathrow | so how do I install KDM? |
| 19:31.12 | valdyn | !tell fevel -about polls |
| 19:31.16 | fevel | numist: thats for sure |
| 19:31.19 | numist | mechathrow: apt-get install kdm |
| 19:31.19 | zinx | fevel: the one that does what i want it to do. |
| 19:31.25 | mechathrow | Cool, thanks |
| 19:31.27 | mechathrow | I'll go do it now |
| 19:31.28 | mechathrow | brb |
| 19:31.31 | stouset | mechathrow: You can open terminals from within KDE, first off. If you want to completely go back to a terminal, Alt+Shift+F1 through Alt+Shift+F6 can take you to one. Alt+Shift+F7 will return you to KDE |
| 19:31.34 | stew | mechathrow: if you install kde you already have kdm, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 19:31.36 | numist | fevel: cant tell ya, all I know is that I have a few that work, and a bunch that dont, and I know I like the ones that work better |
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| 19:31.48 | fevel | does k3b do what you want? |
| 19:32.14 | numist | wait... burner or burning software |
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| 19:32.26 | eliteforce | stouset: ok i think it works |
| 19:32.27 | numist | burning software: cdrecord |
| 19:32.35 | fevel | zinx: if you read carefully...I wasnt polling |
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| 19:32.52 | fevel | numist: i think thats a good one |
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| 19:33.11 | numist | food! |
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| 19:34.40 | zinx | fevel: if you read carefully, i never said you were. |
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| 19:35.46 | mechathrow | Okay, KDM didn't come with KDE for me |
| 19:35.50 | mechathrow | So I tried to install |
| 19:35.55 | mechathrow | and it errored out |
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| 19:36.12 | stouset | mechathrow: What did it say? |
| 19:36.18 | mechathrow | saying there were some kind of archive errors |
| 19:36.26 | stouset | mechathrow: do an apt-get update |
| 19:36.28 | mechathrow | it couldn't reach the site it was trying to DL from. |
| 19:36.29 | mechathrow | yes |
| 19:36.30 | mechathrow | Okay |
| 19:36.32 | mechathrow | OKay |
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| 19:36.35 | abrotman | !enter |
| 19:36.35 | mechathrow | let me go try |
| 19:36.35 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 19:37.39 | stew | mechathrow: does "dpkg -l kde" return a line starting with ii? |
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| 19:39.22 | tchino | how can i pack a directory with zip |
| 19:39.37 | Catch`CoNdA | Does anyone know about a good alternative to K3B, I use kde 3.4 and it does not work anymore. |
| 19:39.47 | stouset | tchino: tar it first |
| 19:39.48 | stew | tchino: zip -r archive.zip directory |
| 19:39.56 | stouset | Or that. |
| 19:40.12 | falkon | abrotman: hey, got one for ya |
| 19:40.32 | abrotman | a fish ? |
| 19:40.55 | falkon | abrotman: yaird won't create the initrd, because it doesnt' recognize the kernel version... |
| 19:40.58 | rumpl | what does mean the "rc" on the left when i do a dpkg -l? |
| 19:40.58 | stouset | falkon: If you want to win abrotman's favor, you'll need at least two. |
| 19:40.58 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: arson ? |
| 19:41.05 | soymilk | Catch`CoNdA: apt-cache search cd | grep burn |
| 19:41.10 | fevel | sorry zinx I accidently tabbed your nick |
| 19:41.11 | falkon | stouset: but it's fresh |
| 19:41.11 | tchino | stouset: but my friend has only windows |
| 19:41.15 | mechathrow | Sorry, about the entering....Anyway, I did an Update, then tried KDM, which I think worked...no errors, and I'm back at the Debian prompt. So, how do I run KDM now? Where will that take me? |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | falkon: and why not ? |
| 19:41.26 | falkon | abrotman: let me get that error again |
| 19:41.27 | valdyn | falkon: thats not the complete error message |
| 19:41.28 | abrotman | mechathrow: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 19:41.38 | stouset | tchino: Use stew's solution. Also, winzip can open tarballs, AFAIK |
| 19:41.52 | fevel | I only noticed now that you spoke about it |
| 19:41.54 | soymilk | tchino: use tar with zip or bzip compression instead. its better |
| 19:42.00 | stouset | mechathrow: KDM will start up automatically on boot now |
| 19:42.04 | falkon | abrotman: yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.14.3-686 |
| 19:42.11 | stouset | mechathrow: It will put you at a graphical login prompt, then log you in to KDE |
| 19:42.33 | stouset | falkon: Shouldn't it be 2.6.14-3-686? |
| 19:42.43 | abrotman | no |
| 19:42.52 | abrotman | he's using a kernel.org kernel |
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| 19:43.05 | falkon | abrotman: the only thing I can think of is that I passed it --append-to-version -686 |
| 19:43.08 | abrotman | falkon: the man page does'nt shed light on it ? |
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| 19:43.17 | subopt | I'm about to install IBM's Java SDK and JRE on Debian(x86)/Sarge. Is it okay to just plop it down in ~/local, or should i go through the 'equivs' package, use 'equivs-build', etc? |
| 19:43.30 | tchino | stouset: but it packed it not, it sum up it to a zip file, that is very big |
| 19:43.54 | stew | subopt: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:43.56 | tchino | soymilk: how is the command with zip |
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| 19:44.16 | stouset | tchino: Perhaps it couldn't be compressed? |
| 19:44.19 | binaryfinary | how do I do port forwarding so I can ssh to my network boxes from the net? |
| 19:44.36 | falkon | abrotman: I think by adding the -686 something got confused, dunno why |
| 19:44.43 | abrotman | falkon: then try it with something else |
| 19:44.44 | mechathrow | Okay, I used /etc/init.d/kdm restart - the screen went to a weird "fuzz" type screen, then came back to the prompt....is that what is supposed to happen? |
| 19:44.44 | Guilherme | binaryfinary, using iptables |
| 19:44.48 | fevel | binaryfinary: I use guidedog |
| 19:45.00 | falkon | abrotman: I'm leaving out the --append-to-version this time |
| 19:45.00 | subopt | stew: thanks |
| 19:45.03 | VITIHO | mechathrow, exactly! :) |
| 19:45.12 | VITIHO | that's how kdm supposed to work :) |
| 19:45.14 | falkon | abrotman: it's stupid that it wouldn't work. |
| 19:45.24 | stouset | mechathrow: Did it come back to a console, or did it show a graphical login? |
| 19:45.28 | subopt | 1lmiaakc |
| 19:45.35 | mechathrow | came back to the console. |
| 19:45.37 | Catch`CoNdA | abrotman: it seems that the packages are broken in etch |
| 19:45.40 | Guilherme | are there any special bootsplash patch to debian kernel ? |
| 19:45.52 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: guess what .. lots of KDE stuff is broken in etch |
| 19:45.56 | VITIHO | mechathrow, are you using debian unstable? and did dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:46.06 | mechathrow | no, it's the stable release |
| 19:46.17 | fevel | what does apt-get -f install do?? |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | mechathrow: check your error log in /var/log for EE lines |
| 19:46.24 | binaryfinary | fevel, I use console |
| 19:46.26 | abrotman | man apt-get ? |
| 19:46.33 | Guilherme | fevel, man apt-get |
| 19:46.34 | PupenoL | How do I see to what package a certain file belongs ? |
| 19:46.38 | mechathrow | What are EE lines? |
| 19:46.42 | abrotman | error lines |
| 19:46.43 | stew | PupenoL: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:47.12 | stouset | mechathrow: grep '(EE)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 19:47.27 | mechathrow | Earlier, I tried to install KDE - and got a few errors after downloading, would that cause this problem? |
| 19:47.35 | PupenoL | stew: do I need apt-file ? I have the package installed and the file I want to know about. |
| 19:47.44 | stew | PupenoL: no, you don't |
| 19:47.54 | Jon` | wheres the samba configuration through the GUI in debian? |
| 19:47.59 | stouset | mechathrow: The only time I've seen that happen is when new versions are being uploaded. |
| 19:47.59 | valdyn | mechathrow: run 'apt-get install kde' again, if you get any errors, tell us. |
| 19:48.05 | PupenoL | sorry. nevermind. |
| 19:48.14 | soymilk | Jon`: vi /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 19:48.31 | stew | he must not have install the kde package if he had to fetch the kdm package separately |
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| 19:48.39 | Jon` | theres no gui-based configuration? |
| 19:48.49 | dfinn | do I need to keep the files in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 19:48.54 | stouset | Jon`: Might be. Doubt it. You can always look for third-party packages. |
| 19:49.03 | robin_sz | party? |
| 19:49.08 | stouset | dfinn: don't remove them. use apt(itude|-get) clean |
| 19:49.10 | robin_sz | im up for it, where is it? |
| 19:49.11 | xored | i want to log the traffic on my server at a specific interface ( eth0) it should be just a value, resetting every month. no gui, just log. Someone a tip ? |
| 19:49.16 | soymilk | Jon`: gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 19:49.32 | robin_sz | xored just read the value from ifconfig |
| 19:49.37 | soymilk | if you prefer a less ergonomic approach... |
| 19:49.46 | stouset | xored: iptables has a -J LOG target, log it to a file and count the lines. |
| 19:49.47 | xored | robin_sz: which value ? sorry |
| 19:49.57 | dfinn | stouset: thanks, looks like that will do the trick |
| 19:49.59 | robin_sz | xored type ifconfig |
| 19:50.00 | stouset | xored: Or what robin_sz said. That's probably easier. |
| 19:50.07 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 764] by debhelper |
| 19:50.12 | robin_sz | see where it says "packet in, packets out? |
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| 19:50.22 | robin_sz | or bytes in or whatever it is |
| 19:50.24 | stouset | dfinn: There's a few files in there that are required. |
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| 19:50.35 | stouset | robin_sz: RX packets :) |
| 19:50.55 | robin_sz | thats it |
| 19:51.00 | xored | robin_sz: done, on which line ? |
| 19:51.01 | stouset | robin_sz: Is there any way to reset that value, though? Other than up/downing the if. |
| 19:51.02 | Jon` | lol, not exactly what i meant by graphical |
| 19:51.04 | VITIHO | is someone fixing kde 3.4 on debian unstable? or are we going to update directly to kde 3.5? |
| 19:51.09 | Jon` | but ill try a 3rd party |
| 19:51.09 | jethro | Jon`: swat |
| 19:51.12 | robin_sz | but since its easier to let mrtg just draw grpahs anyway, I never look |
| 19:51.16 | mike_sol | apparently firefox 1.5 has been released |
| 19:51.25 | Quinn_Storm | VITIHO: 3.4 is only partly imported |
| 19:51.32 | Quinn_Storm | VITIHO: 3.4.3 that is |
| 19:51.36 | robin_sz | Jon`, which part, you says theres been 3 and aI messed them all? |
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| 19:51.38 | stouset | VITIHO: Long story. |
| 19:51.48 | Quinn_Storm | VITIHO: keep 3.4.2 for now from testing (I think its still there) if you want kde |
| 19:52.06 | mechathrow | Okay, I went into grep and tried to open that log file. |
| 19:52.27 | stouset | VITIHO: Basically, dbus/hal are not backwards compatible with their previous versions, and are in experimental. Everything that depends on those two (GNOME 2.12, KDE 3.4, and others) are waiting in experimental till they're all ready to go, then will be merged into unstable. |
| 19:52.28 | robin_sz | is debian for windows XP out yet? |
| 19:52.29 | xored | stouset: where can i see it on ifconfig ? |
| 19:52.46 | stouset | xored: Look for the interface. Under that interface, look at RX and TX packets |
| 19:52.48 | robin_sz | xored, 5th line down |
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| 19:52.53 | stouset | robin_sz: Yes. |
| 19:52.53 | VITIHO | oh, ok :) |
| 19:52.56 | VITIHO | thanks |
| 19:52.59 | mechathrow | But, nothing came out and now I'm stuck in grep - since I'm not sure how to close grep. After I get out I'll try to install KDE again and record errors |
| 19:53.03 | robin_sz | xored, on the left hand side |
| 19:53.07 | Jon` | hmm i tried starting swat but nothing's popping up |
| 19:53.10 | Quinn_Storm | mechathrow: hit ^D |
| 19:53.11 | numist | mechathrow: ^c |
| 19:53.11 | simmy | ^C to close grep |
| 19:53.15 | Jon` | already have the latest installed |
| 19:53.16 | Bob332 | where did they get the name SID from?? |
| 19:53.21 | stouset | mechathrow: Ctrl+C |
| 19:53.23 | robin_sz | xored, 5th means 5 lines from the top |
| 19:53.24 | numist | Bob332: the kid in the movie |
| 19:53.30 | simmy | Still In Development ... and the kid in Toy Story |
| 19:53.31 | numist | Bob332: the names are all from Toy Story |
| 19:53.35 | stouset | mechathrow: You typed the grep line wrong :) |
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| 19:53.46 | simmy | What's after Etch? Has that been determined yet? |
| 19:53.48 | stouset | mechathrow: grep '(EE)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 19:53.58 | stouset | simmy: I vote TomHanks. |
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| 19:54.22 | valdyn | !etch+1 |
| 19:54.40 | robin_sz | !etch++ |
| 19:54.45 | Bob332 | numist, ah ok...i knew it was toy story but didnt understand why SID never changed |
| 19:54.46 | simmy | Heh! |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | simmy: no |
| 19:54.56 | xored | rx = send / tx = recieve ? But it would be resetted on ifcondif down, or ? |
| 19:54.58 | stouset | Bob332: sid is never released. |
| 19:55.05 | numist | Bob332: because then it would make too much sense |
| 19:55.07 | simmy | How about "Legs" ? that was a cool toy! |
| 19:55.07 | xored | yast |
| 19:55.10 | Catch`CoNdA | Ok, I want to downgrade again. I edit my sources.list to sarge main. and hit update, but nothing happends when I execute upgrade or dist-upgrade. I read in the linuxwiki that if I do this everything should fix itself? |
| 19:55.11 | stouset | xored: rx = receive, tx = transmit. |
| 19:55.11 | jethro | xored: rx = received , tx = transmitted |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | simmy: from which one ? |
| 19:55.17 | xored | thank you |
| 19:55.22 | Xenguy | chmod Q: is it possible to change the permissions on a symbolic link (either with chmod or another method) ? The man page suggests not, but a friend says that this was definitely possible in Unix systems. |
| 19:55.22 | simmy | first movie. |
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| 19:55.25 | simmy | it was one of Sid's toys. |
| 19:55.26 | stouset | Catch`CoNdA: You cannot downgrade. |
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| 19:55.35 | simmy | the long female legs with the fishing pole attached to it. |
| 19:55.36 | soymilk | i think they should just use more direct names like "cop", "erection", etc. for the names, instead of being so roundabout |
| 19:55.38 | stouset | Catch`CoNdA: Well, you can. But it's not guaranteed to work. And it's not easy. |
| 19:55.43 | Bob332 | numist, so to be better at debian i should watch the movie huh |
| 19:55.46 | abrotman | simmy: http://imdb.com/title/tt0114709/fullcredits |
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| 19:55.58 | abrotman | soymilk: you mean soldier ? |
| 19:56.14 | Catch`CoNdA | stouset: wtf :s bam... well heh.. do you know about a burning program for KDE3.4 etch ^^ |
| 19:56.15 | numist | Bob332: didnt help me any |
| 19:56.17 | stouset | soymilk: cop == hamm, erection == woody? |
| 19:56.21 | soymilk | abrotman: i guess. soldier. yes |
| 19:56.34 | simmy | abrotman : That's just it... in a couple releases, they'll run out of names. |
| 19:56.40 | abrotman | stouset: cop is sarge .. which is dumb .. cause he's a soldier |
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| 19:56.43 | stouset | Catch`CoNdA: I don't use KDE. I assume K3b. |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | simmy: then maybe they'll name one after you! |
| 19:56.52 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: try eroaster |
| 19:56.55 | stouset | abrotman: but hamm == pig == cop. |
| 19:56.56 | simmy | Sweet! :D |
| 19:56.57 | soymilk | stouset: i was thinking sarge, as in sargeant. but that is also a soldier. neither connotation i particularly prefer... |
| 19:57.00 | Lee__ | police are millitary in rank and file |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | stouset: nah .. he meants sarge |
| 19:57.05 | Bob332 | what happens when they run out of names |
| 19:57.06 | mechathrow | Okay, I ran apt-get install kde again....The errors I get are 404 Not Found errors, it seems when it looks for files like "quanta" - "kommander" it doesn' |
| 19:57.10 | mechathrow | t find them |
| 19:57.20 | stouset | abrotman: But it can be solved with two layers of abstraction! |
| 19:57.22 | soymilk | Bob332: i will be happy :-) |
| 19:57.25 | simmy | mechathrow : Are you using sid? |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | stouset: so can lots of things |
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| 19:57.39 | soymilk | sid is the only cool name |
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| 19:57.50 | stouset | soymilk: I liked bo. |
| 19:57.50 | mechathrow | Simmy - I don't think so? I'm really new to Linux so I'm not sure what that is. |
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| 19:57.57 | Lee__ | sid's toys were pretty cool |
| 19:58.03 | soymilk | maybe its a dualistic thing: you've got to have the bad ones to offset the cool one(s) |
| 19:58.16 | stouset | mechathrow: He means are you using the stable release, or a development version |
| 19:58.21 | mechathrow | stable |
| 19:58.40 | mechathrow | It did start installing something, but after it ran through a list of 404s |
| 19:59.00 | stouset | mechathrow: The only thing I can suggest for those errors is to wait. Usually it happens when new versions are being uploaded. As in, the list of new versions gets put up, and then the new packages get put into place. So when you update, it looks for the new versions which aren't there yet... |
| 19:59.11 | stouset | mechathrow: 30 minutes should be more than long enough. |
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| 19:59.31 | valdyn | umm, hes using stable |
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| 19:59.51 | abrotman | mechathrow: are you ircing from the machine now ? |
| 20:00.30 | mechathrow | No |
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| 20:00.42 | abrotman | mechathrow: are you ssh'ed into it ? |
| 20:00.58 | mechathrow | No, it's an old server I'm using linux to test web apps on |
| 20:01.07 | cast_ | hello everybody, i ve got a question without proper answer about dns |
| 20:01.08 | abrotman | mechathrow: servers don't run X |
| 20:01.14 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:01.14 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | mechathrow: paste uyour sources somewhere ^ |
| 20:01.37 | sandman | Does checkinstall -D build dependencies for a package automatically? |
| 20:01.42 | sandman | Or msut that be manually built into a package |
| 20:02.02 | cast_ | is it still possible to use a /etc/hosts files to declare a domain name or does i need a dns server like bind ? |
| 20:02.19 | abrotman | cast_: you mean a hostname ? |
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| 20:02.28 | numist | cast_: if your only going to be accessing it from the local machine, hosts will work, but if you want anyone else to be able to see it, you need a dns server |
| 20:02.28 | cast_ | no a hostname |
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| 20:02.39 | abrotman | i said hostname |
| 20:02.41 | cast_ | sorry a domain name |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | stop agreeing with me! .. it's annoying :) |
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| 20:02.49 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | cast_: i don't think you ever could |
| 20:03.09 | mechathrow | Abrotman - so I'm screwed as far as getting a GUI on this server goes? |
| 20:03.11 | abrotman | cast_: maybe /etc/hosts takes wildcards .. but afaik .. only hostnames |
| 20:03.23 | abrotman | mechathrow: PASTE your sources somewhere ... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:03.36 | cast_ | ok i thouht i saw this on some discussions (i think dns was invented to upgrade the /etc/hosts files ability) |
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| 20:03.49 | abrotman | cast_: maybe #dns would konw ? |
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| 20:04.04 | cast_ | ok thanks |
| 20:04.08 | bucky | ShockSMX: you around? |
| 20:04.28 | simmy | cast_ : If you specify host.domain.cocm in hosts, it does work. I just tested it. |
| 20:04.37 | cast_ | ok thanks |
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| 20:04.44 | cast_ | i will try at #dns |
| 20:05.03 | S-tefan | Hi. I upgraded from sarge to etch the other day but I ran into some trouble. It seems to relate to devices not being read/writeable by non-root. |
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| 20:05.20 | stouset | cast_: DNS exists as a way of distributing the task of, well, distributing /etc/hosts. It used to be a giant file that people just passed around and added to. |
| 20:05.34 | stouset | S-tefan: Welcome to etch :P |
| 20:05.56 | cast_ | ok stouset |
| 20:05.58 | abrotman | S-tefan: what kind of devices ? |
| 20:06.00 | S-tefan | First problem: Couldn't start X, because ssh didn't work, because /dev/random wasn't read/writable. |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | X doesn't work because ssh doesn't work ? |
| 20:06.23 | jethro | heh |
| 20:06.26 | S-tefan | abrotman: Most of them, practically everything exept tty. |
| 20:06.34 | drstrange | does the new unstable kernel -4 break anything we should know about before uprading? |
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| 20:06.45 | abrotman | drstrange: probablyt |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | S-tefan: explain further please |
| 20:07.34 | stew | S-tefan: do you run udev? |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | S-tefan: and afaik .. /dev/random shouldn't be writable |
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| 20:07.58 | abrotman | not by a user any ways |
| 20:08.00 | S-tefan | Well, I guess X is using ssh in some way, because I got "PRNG is not seeded" as error. |
| 20:08.09 | bucky | cast_: if you apt-get bind9 and set your dhcp client to not over write /etc/resolv.conf and put 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf it will work for a simple install |
| 20:08.10 | abrotman | stew: you made it out running the last few days ? |
| 20:08.15 | docelic | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.15 | stew | abrotman: it is on a the first 3 systems i checked |
| 20:08.26 | stew | abrotman: no, i haven't done shit since the race on thursday |
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| 20:08.34 | abrotman | stew: i have to learn to stop checking the gentoo host i use for mail |
| 20:08.37 | MrBallZ | hiya |
| 20:08.43 | Lee__ | docelic, there's an amd64 port of sarge. try that. |
| 20:08.44 | DevilChaos | what port does bittorent use? |
| 20:08.57 | stouset | docelic: Are you running the amd64 port or the 686 port? |
| 20:09.00 | binaryfinary | how do I unzip .bz2? |
| 20:09.02 | stew | DevilChaos: 6881-6999 iirc |
| 20:09.04 | MrBallZ | how long does it take to new " stable " kernels to get to Debian Stable sarge repositories ? |
| 20:09.09 | S-tefan | So, /dev/random should not be writable to world? |
| 20:09.18 | stouset | MrBallZ: They don't. |
| 20:09.19 | Lee__ | MrBallZ, until the next stable release |
| 20:09.23 | abrotman | binaryfinary: bunzip2 |
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| 20:09.25 | DevilChaos | stew : hi how are you got system running under stable! |
| 20:09.29 | valdyn | docelic: you are trying to compile the ia-32 driver on your amd64 debian system? |
| 20:09.30 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 20:09.34 | docelic | stouset, I installed the usual sarge, and the kernel I use is 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 20:09.42 | stew | S-tefan: it should be |
| 20:09.46 | abrotman | that's a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system iirc |
| 20:09.50 | docelic | valdyn, no, I got this source by installing nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 20:09.50 | stouset | MrBallZ: Stable's featurelist does not change. New kernels will be released for Sarge, but they will at most contain backported security fixes and bug patches. |
| 20:09.54 | abrotman | S-tefan: ignore me .. i checked another OS |
| 20:10.04 | valdyn | docelic: use a 32 bit kernel |
| 20:10.04 | MrBallZ | mmm... so if i would like to get the lates stable one: " 2.6.14.3 " , where should i go to ... |
| 20:10.10 | docelic | aha ok |
| 20:10.12 | docelic | thanks |
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| 20:10.15 | binaryfinary | don't have it |
| 20:10.19 | binaryfinary | can't find it |
| 20:10.19 | S-tefan | Ok. Setting a+rw madeit possible to use ssh, and start an xsession for the mortal user. |
| 20:10.21 | Lee__ | tell MrBallZ about kernel-package |
| 20:10.23 | valdyn | docelic: this is a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit interface just emulated |
| 20:10.28 | Lee__ | !tell MrBallZ about kernel-package |
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| 20:10.45 | DevilChaos | stew:iirc? |
| 20:10.45 | stew | binaryfinary: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:10.50 | stew | !iirc |
| 20:10.51 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 20:10.53 | DevilChaos | stew : or irc? |
| 20:10.56 | stouset | docelic: There's your problem. |
| 20:10.57 | articool | add a user |
| 20:11.01 | DevilChaos | oh oops |
| 20:11.13 | stouset | docelic: You're using the amd64 port--the full 64 bit port. |
| 20:11.15 | mixter | i'm creating a new ext3 filesystem on a raid5 array. i would like to grow this array in the future. what do i need to resize the ext3 partition? |
| 20:11.33 | stouset | docelic: Binary packages, such as the nvidia kernel, can't be run on other architectures than the one they were compiled for. |
| 20:11.39 | LostNoobs | ns:/var/run/saslauthd# groupdel sasl |
| 20:11.39 | LostNoobs | groupdel: cannot remove user's primary group. |
| 20:11.40 | S-tefan | Does anybody have an idea about the device privilege issue? |
| 20:11.43 | binaryfinary | can't find it |
| 20:11.46 | LostNoobs | what it's mean ? |
| 20:11.49 | stew | S-tefan: do you run udev? |
| 20:11.51 | LostNoobs | groupdel: cannot remove user's primary group. |
| 20:11.58 | S-tefan | stew: Yes. |
| 20:12.11 | abrotman | LostNoobs: seems selfexplantory to me |
| 20:12.17 | bbrazil | mixter: e2resizefs |
| 20:12.24 | bbrazil | mixter: sorry, resize2fs |
| 20:12.25 | stouset | docelic: The Athlon 64s have a 32-bit compatibility mode where they can run 32-bit code. But you can't run 32-bit code and 64-bit code simultaneously. |
| 20:12.26 | LostNoobs | abrotman what is this ? |
| 20:12.27 | stew | S-tefan: then the problem lies with your udev config. you might wanna get a fresh udev config |
| 20:12.34 | S-tefan | Ok. |
| 20:12.40 | docelic | stouset, aha ok |
| 20:12.40 | stew | S-tefan: hang on |
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| 20:12.43 | abrotman | LostNoobs: it means that some user has that as his primary group .. how is that the slightest bit confusing? |
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| 20:12.52 | binaryfinary | d# apt-cache search bunzip2 |
| 20:12.52 | binaryfinary | freecraft - Realtime fantasy strategy game for Unix and X |
| 20:12.52 | binaryfinary | stratagus - realtime strategy game for Unix and X |
| 20:12.52 | binaryfinary | stratagus-gl - realtime strategy game for Unix and X - OpenGL version |
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| 20:13.00 | LostNoobs | hum |
| 20:13.08 | mixter | bbrazil: thanks! i guess that is useable for ext3 filesystems too... i'll dig into thatone! |
| 20:13.09 | stew | !fresh udev config is when upgrading to a new major release of udev it is often beneficial to get fresh udev config files: dpkg -P --force-depends udev && apt-get install udev |
| 20:13.09 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:13.13 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 20:13.20 | LostNoobs | ns:/var/run/saslauthd# cat /etc/group|grep sasl |
| 20:13.20 | LostNoobs | sasl:x:45: |
| 20:13.21 | LostNoobs | ns:/var/run/saslauthd# groupdel sasl |
| 20:13.21 | LostNoobs | groupdel: cannot remove user's primary group. |
| 20:13.21 | LostNoobs | ns:/var/run/saslauthd# |
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| 20:13.21 | DevilChaos | doh i forgoten p-word for router big big doh! |
| 20:13.23 | stouset | docelic: I ran into the same problem when using the amd64 port. Unless you're really prepared to go without a lot of java things (64-bit java is broken, AFAIK), flash, nvidia binary modules, zsnes, etc., then I'd recommended using the 686 version again. |
| 20:13.23 | binaryfinary | it's not there |
| 20:13.29 | stouset | docelic: Yes, this will require a reinstall :( |
| 20:13.30 | stew | !tell binaryfinary about flood |
| 20:13.31 | bbrazil | mixter: I've used that - only real difference between ext2 and ext3 is the journal |
| 20:13.35 | binaryfinary | I know I know |
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| 20:13.37 | stew | !tell LostNoobs about flood |
| 20:13.38 | LostNoobs | sorry |
| 20:13.39 | LostNoobs | :) |
| 20:13.39 | binaryfinary | don't bother |
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| 20:13.47 | SimonRaven | 2FFS stop pasting already |
| 20:13.51 | S-tefan | stew: Ok, I'll try that. Thanks! |
| 20:14.20 | valdyn | stouset: he isnt using debian/amd64, unless he lied earlier |
| 20:14.31 | mixter | bbrazil: ah! ok, when you used it, did you set the max-size on the ext3 fs when creating? i've seen that i could specify extra size when creating the fs |
| 20:14.32 | valdyn | stouset: and he doesnt need a complete reinstall either way |
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| 20:14.46 | valdyn | docelic: ^^^ |
| 20:14.47 | S-tefan | stew: But I don't think I used udev befor the upgrade... |
| 20:15.01 | jethro | LostNoobs: if it's a primary group for a user, you'll see the gid number of the group in /etc/passwd, and you won't see the name of the user in /etc/group. try grep 45 /etc/passwd to verify |
| 20:15.18 | stew | S-tefan: what were you upgrading to/from? |
| 20:15.19 | bbrazil | mixter: I just let it auto detect. I've got LVm sitting on top of hardware raid and I created a large partition from that |
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| 20:15.28 | LostNoobs | ok jethro |
| 20:15.31 | LostNoobs | thx |
| 20:15.34 | S-tefan | stew: From sarge to etch. |
| 20:15.35 | Linux_man19 | alguem aqui usa o virtua, da net, no debian? |
| 20:15.59 | mixter | bbrazil: ok... i hope i don't need to use lvm (one less thing to worry about then :-) ) |
| 20:16.01 | mixter | bbrazil |
| 20:16.02 | stew | S-tefan: i can't imagine what package might have cause udev to be brought in if it wasn't already installed |
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| 20:16.08 | mixter | bbrazil: thanks! |
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| 20:16.35 | mechathrow | I ran apt-get installe KDE and this time it worked without error....here is my PASTE of my Sources.list deb file:///cdrom/sarge main deb http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian stable main deb-scr http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian stable main deb http//security.debian.org/stable updates main |
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| 20:16.40 | bbrazil | mixter: depends on your raid, has already been really useful for when I needed a few partitions |
| 20:16.44 | lateshn | hey! guys |
| 20:17.00 | S-tefan | stew: I may have installed it manually (my memory is not all clear...) |
| 20:17.03 | lateshn | i'm trying to install Oracle10g on 2.6 kernel |
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| 20:17.14 | lateshn | i'm getting segmentation fault |
| 20:17.23 | lateshn | any tips? |
| 20:17.23 | jethro | lateshn: try oracle support |
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| 20:17.24 | MrBallZ | is there a place to just get the precompiled .deb for the kernels ... a la Lazy person ... |
| 20:17.30 | lateshn | i tired that too |
| 20:17.41 | abrotman | MrBallZ: which version ? |
| 20:17.49 | lateshn | 10g release 2 |
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| 20:18.04 | valdyn | mechathrow: sounds good, now did 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' yield errors too? if you're unsure: 'apt-get install x-window-systm-core' |
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| 20:18.08 | MrBallZ | abrotman: something like 2.6.11 xxx |
| 20:18.14 | mixter | bbrazil: i'm going to use this for storing backup data, so as the moment (and forseeable future) i need only one big s´partition, but i see your point! lvm sounds great from what i've read, but i don't have the time to dig into that right now |
| 20:18.14 | abrotman | MrBallZ: which version of debian ? |
| 20:18.23 | Xenguy | Revised symlink Q: how can one make it impossible for a user to delete a symlink if the file it refers to is owned by the user? |
| 20:18.24 | MrBallZ | abrotman: Sarge |
| 20:18.27 | lateshn | 2.6 stable |
| 20:18.31 | Daveman | meh |
| 20:18.33 | Lee__ | lateshn, unless you can trace the problem back to Debian it'd be hard to get much info out of oracle without talking to their support. |
| 20:18.33 | Jon` | is there no .deb available for mysql 5? |
| 20:18.40 | abrotman | MrBallZ: all you can try is to download a kernel from packages.debian.org for etch and put it on your system .. and pray |
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| 20:18.53 | Jon` | i'd like to use get apt-get for the install if possible |
| 20:19.00 | mixter | Jon`: not in the stable release |
| 20:19.01 | Jon` | but i only see mysql 4 listed |
| 20:19.09 | Daveman | abrotman, fix this contradictory networking script bullshit :) |
| 20:19.16 | abrotman | cows! |
| 20:19.18 | mixter | Jon`: sarge was released before mysql 5 |
| 20:19.19 | lateshn | i got SIGSEGV, segmentation fault |
| 20:19.22 | abrotman | Daveman: ? |
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| 20:19.27 | Daveman | basically |
| 20:19.37 | abrotman | Daveman: i wasn't following |
| 20:19.40 | Lee__ | lateshn, that means it crashed |
| 20:19.42 | MrBallZ | abrotman: mmm, in your case, what do you do ... if you want a new kernel , compile it from scratch, or use the kpg ... |
| 20:19.46 | Daveman | neither am I, apparently |
| 20:19.51 | mechathrow | valdyn - It's installing KDE at the moment, when it's done I will do apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:19.57 | bbrazil | mixter: its only 3 commands to setup. pvcreate vgcreate lvcreate |
| 20:19.59 | lateshn | yes...does not the start the installer |
| 20:20.00 | Daveman | it bypasses the config everytime and makes up it's own... hahahaha |
| 20:20.01 | Lee__ | not much help unless you can figure out why it crashed. |
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| 20:20.04 | Jon` | dern, cuz the compile in mysql is giving me an error |
| 20:20.04 | Daveman | what a piece of shit |
| 20:20.06 | valdyn | mechathrow: alright |
| 20:20.13 | jethro | lateshn: just use a configuration supported by oracle and complain to them when if fails |
| 20:20.15 | numist | rooooot has landed |
| 20:20.20 | Daveman | haha |
| 20:20.21 | Linux_man19 | bbbrasil, pode me ajudar com a configuraçăo da minha internet? |
| 20:20.25 | bbrazil | !br |
| 20:20.26 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:20.28 | Daveman | no speaky spanishar |
| 20:20.36 | Jon` | it says no curses/termcap library found, but i tried apt-get and it said i have the latest ncurses |
| 20:20.37 | Lee__ | lateshn, does oracle support Debian? |
| 20:20.39 | MrBallZ | hahah |
| 20:20.40 | mixter | bbrazil: that doesn't sounds too hard... :-) |
| 20:20.45 | abrotman | Lee__: define support |
| 20:20.47 | lateshn | no not yet |
| 20:20.48 | jethro | Lee__: I don't even think so :) |
| 20:20.49 | Nwallins | is there a way to get apt-spy to not benchmark ftp servers (ie http only)? |
| 20:20.56 | lateshn | it support only RH |
| 20:20.59 | bbrazil | mixter: it isn't really - I'll leave you to the manpages :) |
| 20:21.03 | Daveman | does debian support oracle? |
| 20:21.07 | Lee__ | if you call them and say "I'm running Debian stable and your database crashed", will they laugh? |
| 20:21.10 | lateshn | yes it does |
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| 20:21.24 | lateshn | i have oracle installed on kernel 2.4 stable version |
| 20:21.24 | Linux_man19 | How I can configure my internet with dhcp? |
| 20:21.26 | mixter | bbrazil: no problem! thank you for the help about resizing too! |
| 20:21.26 | jethro | Lee__: most probably yes |
| 20:21.26 | Daveman | no you'll just either get fired and/or tossed off a bridge |
| 20:21.29 | Daveman | wwa |
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| 20:21.40 | bbrazil | mixter: lvextend is the lvm one |
| 20:21.43 | Lee__ | so there. Oracle doesn't support Debian. |
| 20:21.50 | JeffGreen | I have a very odd problem with the time on two sarge boxes |
| 20:21.51 | mixter | Jon`: i canot help you with the curses problem, sorry... ask again |
| 20:21.51 | Lee__ | problem solved! |
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| 20:21.58 | abrotman | Lee__: i've installed Oracle on debian |
| 20:22.01 | mixter | bbrazil |
| 20:22.04 | lateshn | not officially but oracle does run on Debian |
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| 20:22.07 | mixter | bbrazil: ok! thanks |
| 20:22.08 | Jon` | i dont know how else to ask it lol |
| 20:22.12 | jethro | abrotman: it's not even the point |
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| 20:22.15 | abrotman | Lee__: though they did certify Ubuntu or some crap |
| 20:22.16 | red__ | hello what is the debian package contains the "mail" package? |
| 20:22.17 | Lee__ | I'm slightly joking. |
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| 20:22.24 | lateshn | i have 3 servers running on debian with Oracle installed on it |
| 20:22.29 | JeffGreen | date gives the correct time but someting like ps waxu| tail shows the tail starting (on one machine) 20 mins ago |
| 20:22.31 | mixter | Jon`: ask here again, i'm sure someone else could help you! |
| 20:22.36 | JeffGreen | and on the other starting in 10 mins |
| 20:22.38 | Lee__ | it seems that you are at the mercy of the vendor with something as big as oracle |
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| 20:22.39 | MrBallZ | abrotman: mmm, in your case, what do you do ... if you want a new kernel , compile it from scratch, or use the kernel package system ???? |
| 20:22.43 | Benbread | I understand it's just been released and i'll probably get shouted at for asking but is anyone aware of any working KDE 3.5 .debs available? |
| 20:22.44 | valdyn | Jon`: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 20:22.50 | bbrazil | red__: mailx |
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| 20:22.57 | red__ | bbrazil, thats it thanks! |
| 20:22.59 | Daveman | -_- |
| 20:22.59 | abrotman | !obliterate Benbread |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:23.02 | JeffGreen | anyone come across such behaviour before? |
| 20:23.08 | abrotman | Benbread: ask #debian-kde |
| 20:23.14 | Daveman | !moidah dhclient |
| 20:23.16 | Daveman | :o |
| 20:23.21 | abrotman | MrBallZ: if it works .. i don't screw with it |
| 20:23.22 | Benbread | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 20:23.26 | red__ | JeffGreen, check /etc/localtime |
| 20:23.27 | stouset | MrBallZ: You should almost never need to compile a kernel from scratch. Ever. |
| 20:23.50 | JeffGreen | seems correct |
| 20:23.56 | stouset | MrBallZ: I haven't had to compile software in years. I wish we could get away from the myth that you need to compile everything in Linux. |
| 20:24.01 | lateshn | lee_ : i get error like "0xb7eab7fe in fread() from /lin/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 20:24.05 | MrBallZ | I currently have 2.6.8-2 for 686 , but i would like to try a 2.6.11xxx |
| 20:24.09 | Lee__ | stouset, unless you have an Intel 830 or 915 graphics chipset and want xv and glx support in sarge. |
| 20:24.11 | Jon` | well that did something :) lets see how she holds up |
| 20:24.28 | JeffGreen | man /etc/localtime |
| 20:24.31 | stouset | Lee__: Is that not compiled in already? |
| 20:24.31 | JeffGreen | whoops |
| 20:24.32 | Benbread | Aha, for anyone else asking the same question they can be found at: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 20:24.34 | Lee__ | nope |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | MrBallZ: is 2.6.8 broken ? |
| 20:24.36 | JeffGreen | wrong window |
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| 20:24.41 | Lee__ | modinf i830 |
| 20:24.42 | MrBallZ | stouset: i need to compile , when the package in the repository is old, and only new versions are good for what i want |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 is http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 20:24.48 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 20:24.48 | JeffGreen | by correct I mean it says I'm in TZ GMT |
| 20:24.55 | stouset | MrBallZ: And what is that? |
| 20:24.57 | JeffGreen | unless it should say something else |
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| 20:25.00 | Daveman | abrotman, fix this silly problem? |
| 20:25.06 | Jon` | weehoo, you rock valdyn :) |
| 20:25.09 | lateshn | wat do u suggest lee_? |
| 20:25.10 | MrBallZ | abrotman: no , it more a compatibility with atheros mad wifi drivers, there are conflicts for aireplay program ... |
| 20:25.11 | abrotman | Daveman: what problem?!?!!?!?!?!? |
| 20:25.15 | l3m | someone told me of a command to run when compiling from source which finds out which of the libraries that program depends on are in debian and what their packagenames are |
| 20:25.17 | l3m | any ideas? |
| 20:25.19 | MrBallZ | stouset: what is what? |
| 20:25.20 | l3m | i forgot the name |
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| 20:25.28 | abrotman | MrBallZ: what's the worst that happens .. it totally breaks |
| 20:25.34 | paulswm | JeffGreen: I don't see how any timezone difference would put you -20 minutes or +10 minutes off |
| 20:25.38 | Bob332 | can someone point me to the .deb's on mirrors.kernel.org/debian, i want to see them all for myself |
| 20:25.38 | stouset | MrBallZ: You said you need functionality from later kernels...what functionality? |
| 20:25.39 | MrBallZ | abrotman: yes |
| 20:25.46 | abrotman | so go for it! |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | Bob332: which one ? |
| 20:26.01 | JeffGreen | neither do I! |
| 20:26.17 | Daveman | abrotman, dhclient on sarge apparently ignores it's configuration file? |
| 20:26.18 | abrotman | Bob332: which package ? |
| 20:26.18 | twinsen | i'm writing a bash script, and I need to write a loop that states: for every fully capitalized word (i.e. CAPITALIZED) in the file, delete the next three lines... i just don't know what regex expression to use to find each fully capitalized word. |
| 20:26.20 | JeffGreen | I can't think of anything that could, hence the question :-) |
| 20:26.21 | MrBallZ | stouset: i said, that sometimes i do need to compile programs, because of newer functions or advantages over old versions on the stable repositories ... |
| 20:26.23 | Bob332 | abrotman, i want to see the kernel-image deb's |
| 20:26.25 | abrotman | dhclient-3 ? |
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| 20:26.35 | Daveman | who knows |
| 20:26.39 | Daveman | its all cra |
| 20:26.39 | abrotman | Bob332: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/k/ |
| 20:26.39 | vedm | Where can I find packagte kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686? |
| 20:26.43 | Daveman | pah |
| 20:26.53 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 20:26.53 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 20:26.55 | Bob332 | abrotman, ok so pool is where apt goes |
| 20:26.56 | abrotman | vedm: ^^ |
| 20:27.00 | paulswm | JeffGreen: There may be a difference between the hardware clock time and the system time, but both date and ps use the system time |
| 20:27.08 | abrotman | Bob332: it gets the URL from the packages file .. and downlods it from there |
| 20:27.11 | stouset | MrBallZ: If you only want a few new packages, backports can be found at backports.org |
| 20:27.19 | JeffGreen | hcwlock gives exactly the same time as date |
| 20:27.23 | stouset | MrBallZ: If you need a lot of newer programs, just use etch or unstable. |
| 20:27.24 | Daveman | abrotman, it doesn't even report a version... |
| 20:27.32 | JeffGreen | and ntp-simple is running |
| 20:27.41 | MrBallZ | stouset: maybe because im a n00b backports hasn't been much of a help ... |
| 20:27.42 | stouset | MrBallZ: stable is stable for a reason. |
| 20:27.49 | Daveman | dpkg says 2.0 though? |
| 20:27.58 | MrBallZ | stouset: ok, just don't get hyped up =) |
| 20:28.09 | abrotman | Daveman: dhclient ? |
| 20:28.12 | abrotman | Daveman: try pump ? |
| 20:28.15 | Daveman | meh |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | mah! |
| 20:28.25 | vedm | kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 - what happened to this package??? |
| 20:28.28 | abrotman | mmm .. matzoh ball soup |
| 20:28.31 | Daveman | the point was to be lame and just get away with a quick fix :P |
| 20:28.32 | Lee__ | applications on etch are really good at segfaulting |
| 20:28.33 | abrotman | vedm: snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:28.44 | abrotman | Lee__: it's called testing for a reasson |
| 20:28.44 | mechathrow | valdyn : Just an update...it's unpacking a boat load of apps I probably won't even use. |
| 20:28.46 | Bob332 | abrotman, where is the packages file.. i dont see it in my file system except some stuff under /usr/lib/mime which dosent seem like the right place |
| 20:28.50 | Daveman | otherwise I'd just fucking gut it, like I did all the other recent installs :P |
| 20:28.54 | vedm | thanks |
| 20:28.56 | Lee__ | I gave up after mkinitrd didn't do anything and mplayer crashed. |
| 20:29.07 | abrotman | Bob332: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/ .. etc |
| 20:29.09 | valdyn | mechathrow: yea, i know ) |
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| 20:29.22 | abrotman | Daveman: error logs ? |
| 20:29.55 | stew | S-tefan: is random mentioned in /etc/udev/permissions.rules? |
| 20:30.04 | S-tefan | Ok, stopping and starting udev seemed to solve my problem. |
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| 20:31.01 | red__ | If i want to upgrade my kernel sould I be looking at the linux-image-X packages? |
| 20:31.02 | Daveman | abrotman, no need? |
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| 20:31.14 | abrotman | for errors ? |
| 20:31.23 | valdyn | red__: yes |
| 20:31.26 | Bob332 | abrotman, i see a 7 MB Contents-i386 tar gz file in /debian/dists/sarge, whats that? |
| 20:31.27 | Eulex | red__, yes. and linux-image-X, if you're on testing or unstable |
| 20:31.28 | Daveman | abrotman, at least regarding the dhclient "issue" ... it blantantly ignores the config specified in the config file |
| 20:31.31 | paulswm | JeffGreen: I have absolutely no idea, except that I agree that it seems a bit bizarre |
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| 20:31.42 | Daveman | then on every launch deletes and makes up a new lease |
| 20:31.45 | Daveman | what a lame pos :p |
| 20:31.46 | S-tefan | Maybe udev did not start right at boottime. |
| 20:31.58 | JeffGreen | well I suppose I should be glad it isn't something silly I have missed |
| 20:31.59 | red__ | valdyn, ok thanks! is 2.6.12-1 the newest we have? |
| 20:32.15 | JeffGreen | except I'd prefer to be an idiot with a well behaved box... |
| 20:32.26 | abrotman | Daveman: config to do what ? |
| 20:32.35 | Eulex | red__, that depends on if you're on stable, testing or unstable |
| 20:32.59 | Eulex | red__, I believe 2.6.12 is the newest one in testing |
| 20:33.07 | bucky | !seen Flimzy |
| 20:33.07 | dpkg | flimzy is currently on #debian (1d 1h 9m 40s). Has said a total of 9393 messages. Is idling for 10h 53m 59s |
| 20:33.08 | Eulex | red__, up to 2.6.14 is in unstable |
| 20:33.36 | red__ | Eulex, um, how do i tell, i am using deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main and deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:33.44 | paulswm | JeffGreen: We're missing something - there obviosuly has to be an explanation and I suspect that it's nothing to do with the system time, date or ps - unless you have a set-system-clock command like date running in a script |
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| 20:34.07 | Bob332 | What is the 7 MB Contents-i386.tar.gz file in /debian/dists/sarge |
| 20:34.10 | Eulex | red__, if you havent pinned testing or set testing to the default, you're on unstable |
| 20:34.14 | Daveman | pass |
| 20:34.26 | karsten | dpkg: capacitors is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 20:34.26 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 20:35.00 | JeffGreen | I have checked all the running scripts |
| 20:35.07 | JeffGreen | and can't see any naughty things |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | Daveman: what the hell are you trying to do ? |
| 20:35.22 | bucky | Daveman: use dhcp3-client or pump |
| 20:35.44 | abrotman | that's what it is! |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | dhclient-3 .. i should be shot |
| 20:35.51 | abrotman | !!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:36.17 | paulswm | !shoot abrotman |
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| 20:36.26 | abrotman | paulswm: thank you |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | dpkg: thank you |
| 20:36.33 | paulswm | abrotman: yw, buddy :P |
| 20:36.43 | numist | !aolbonics |
| 20:36.51 | abrotman | Bob332: i have no idea .. never looked in it .. |
| 20:36.51 | numist | damn, what was that one... |
| 20:36.52 | abrotman | !repository |
| 20:36.53 | dpkg | debian repository is, like, a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 20:36.58 | Daveman | abrotman, it's about time :P |
| 20:37.03 | Jon` | you're thinking ##php numist lol |
| 20:37.04 | abrotman | !wud |
| 20:37.04 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | Nui^^ ? |
| 20:37.08 | simmy | aolbonics? What's that? LOLOLOlolol!!!!1111111 |
| 20:37.08 | simmy | ? ;) |
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| 20:37.12 | abrotman | drr numist |
| 20:37.30 | licued2 | LMAO |
| 20:37.31 | numist | Jon`: you know, you're absolutely right |
| 20:37.31 | paulswm | !aolify numist |
| 20:37.33 | abrotman | !aolism |
| 20:37.33 | dpkg | wen ppl tlk lk ths, it can b very annoying, u kw? |
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| 20:37.35 | abrotman | numist: ^^ ? |
| 20:37.37 | grendal_prime | anyone got any experience running php on like embedded devices? |
| 20:37.38 | DevilChaos | stew: can you give me the port numbers again please? |
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| 20:37.40 | Bob332 | whats the difference between the contrib, main and non-free?\ |
| 20:37.44 | numist | haha |
| 20:37.44 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 20:37.46 | grendal_prime | i mean apache |
| 20:37.50 | abrotman | Bob332: debian.org .. plenty of docs |
| 20:37.53 | abrotman | !tell Bob332 about grounding |
| 20:38.03 | Daveman | dpkg, protect me from the channel spam :p |
| 20:38.04 | abrotman | and there's a faq! |
| 20:38.04 | Jon` | i love the bots on freenode lol |
| 20:38.14 | Daveman | :D |
| 20:38.18 | Daveman | <3 |
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| 20:38.24 | grendal_prime | abrotman, apache? |
| 20:38.28 | Jon` | damn, thats one dedicated bot lol |
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| 20:38.35 | abrotman | grendal_prime: cherokee! |
| 20:38.40 | grendal_prime | blackfoot |
| 20:38.46 | grendal_prime | i knew that was comming |
| 20:38.48 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:38.49 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what about it ? |
| 20:38.50 | Jon` | lala mysql sure does take a long time to make lol |
| 20:38.51 | Daveman | pwnee :P |
| 20:38.53 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 20:38.54 | grendal_prime | and ya dpkg very dedicated |
| 20:39.00 | DevilChaos | what ports does bittorrent use please ? |
| 20:39.06 | grendal_prime | i need to run php and apache on my zaurus |
| 20:39.07 | abrotman | DevilChaos: you were told a LONG time ago |
| 20:39.11 | DevilChaos | need them again to write down |
| 20:39.20 | abrotman | DevilChaos: /lastlog DevilChaos |
| 20:39.21 | paulswm | !enjoyaolify Jon` |
| 20:39.21 | DevilChaos | i know sorry |
| 20:39.35 | abrotman | !aolfrify paulswm |
| 20:39.36 | dpkg | asv paulswm svp ? |
| 20:39.37 | grendal_prime | i found a ipk for it....but it seems to just crash when i try to fire it up |
| 20:39.52 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 20:39.55 | abrotman | grendal_prime: well .. that's not very descriptive |
| 20:39.57 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:39.58 | Jon` | where'd the question mark come from? >.> |
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| 20:40.27 | grendal_prime | ya i know..i was just wondering how well you were with like ARM compiles or apache in general |
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| 20:40.58 | abrotman | !arm |
| 20:40.58 | dpkg | from memory, arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/, or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 20:41.36 | Daveman | -_- |
| 20:41.37 | Jon` | hmm, when i try to 'mysql' i get "can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)" |
| 20:41.47 | Daveman | yeah, because your mysqld isn't running |
| 20:41.51 | blondie | maybe the server's not running... |
| 20:41.56 | Silent_al | dpkg, greetings! |
| 20:41.56 | dpkg | hello, silent_al |
| 20:42.31 | Jon` | mysqld tells me cant start server, bind on tcp/ip port: address already in use |
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| 20:43.28 | poop | Is module-assistant broken? I haven't been able to SELECT in a while. |
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| 20:43.43 | abrotman | Jon`: try shutting it down |
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| 20:43.48 | binaryfinary | Jon`, choose another port |
| 20:43.59 | Daveman | lollerize |
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| 20:44.45 | Daveman | use netstat if necessary, :) |
| 20:44.48 | bucky | Daveman: did you apt-get it |
| 20:44.55 | S-tefan | stew: So, all worked fine after reboot, so I guess the reinstallation of udev was the key. Thank you very much! |
| 20:45.05 | Daveman | bucky, what? |
| 20:45.20 | bucky | Daveman: how did you install mysql |
| 20:45.33 | abrotman | bucky: you mean Jon` |
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| 20:45.45 | Daveman | I compiled it from my srcpkg, duh |
| 20:45.46 | oDii | I'm having a little trouble with powernowd and my Athlon64 - everything's setup correctly as far as I can tell (running powernowd gives me no errors and tells me there are 2 steps available), but when I run "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz", it still says it's running at full speed... does anyone know what's up? |
| 20:45.47 | Daveman | :p |
| 20:45.54 | bucky | oh Jon` how did you install mysql |
| 20:45.59 | Daveman | ... |
| 20:46.08 | Daveman | bucky, just use apt |
| 20:46.10 | Daveman | or whatever |
| 20:46.11 | hebfftijd | someone familiar with extracting a rar file |
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| 20:46.34 | bucky | Jon`: which version of debian are you using? |
| 20:46.35 | streuner | !tell hebfftijd about ask |
| 20:46.40 | Jon` | stable i think |
| 20:46.41 | Daveman | hebfftijd, unrar |
| 20:46.47 | Jon` | i used the netinst ISO |
| 20:46.58 | Ungy | abrotman you read this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/29/smallest_hole/ seriously I have been drilling holes smaller then that into my pillow for years |
| 20:47.00 | Daveman | it's some shifty lameass until made by some noob in an eight-world country, no doubt. :) |
| 20:47.07 | hebfftijd | Daveman, just unrar filename |
| 20:47.15 | Daveman | nothx. |
| 20:47.21 | Jon` | then just did the usual stuff to install a program, tar/config/make/make install |
| 20:47.21 | raden | why are there so many diffrent types of DVD ? |
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| 20:47.35 | poop | raden: How many are there? |
| 20:47.40 | Jon` | what about DVDA? :P |
| 20:47.42 | bucky | Jon`: netinstall for sarge? |
| 20:47.58 | Jon` | i dunno if it was sarge or not, i didn't really see anything pertaining to that |
| 20:48.01 | Jon` | i got the one from debian.org |
| 20:48.03 | Eulex | raden, +-? |
| 20:48.21 | bucky | Jon`: how did you install mysql |
| 20:48.23 | raden | - |
| 20:48.24 | raden | + |
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| 20:48.40 | raden | + R DL |
| 20:48.44 | jacek | To jest polski debian? |
| 20:48.47 | Eulex | !po |
| 20:48.48 | dpkg | [po] Piss Off or Post Office |
| 20:48.50 | S-tefan | hebfftijd: unrar e file or unrar x file. Check the man-page. |
| 20:48.52 | Eulex | umh |
| 20:48.52 | raden | whats the better one to use ? |
| 20:48.53 | Eulex | !pl |
| 20:48.54 | dpkg | pl is, like, sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:48.55 | thingfish | !pl |
| 20:48.56 | Jon` | tar -xvzf mysql-5.0.16.tar.gz | ./configure | make | make install, just like every other average program from source |
| 20:49.14 | poop | While raden was away fighting Godzilla DVD technology blossomed |
| 20:49.25 | bucky | Jon`: ok that's why you're having problems.. let me get a doc for you |
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| 20:49.51 | Jon` | really all i need to know how to do is change the port and i think ill be fine |
| 20:49.55 | Jon` | i hope, lol |
| 20:50.01 | poop | You can finetune in xawtv then import, right? |
| 20:50.03 | mechathrow | valdyn - Windows Core was fully updated....when I "startX" or run KDM I still get a fuzzy screen |
| 20:50.04 | poop | woops |
| 20:50.06 | Jon` | i say that now but i know something else will get in my way |
| 20:50.24 | raden | poop, lol |
| 20:50.26 | mechathrow | valdyn - The error I get though, is that it doesn't regonize my mouse |
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| 20:50.47 | oDii | I'm having a little trouble with powernowd and my Athlon64 - everything's setup correctly as far as I can tell (running powernowd gives me no errors and tells me there are 2 steps available), but when I run "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz", it still says it's running at full speed... does anyone know what's up? |
| 20:50.48 | stew | mechathrow: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:51.45 | dippo | can anyone think of a reason that libapache-mod-auth-shadow breaks when I have apache run under a user other than www-data? |
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| 20:52.28 | bucky | Jon`: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/problems-with-mysql-sock.html |
| 20:52.43 | mechathrow | stew : It says Linux |
| 20:52.49 | bucky | Jon`: next time i would suggest that you apt-get any packages you need |
| 20:52.54 | Jon` | thats what i did |
| 20:53.04 | stew | mechathrow: "uname -r" |
| 20:53.13 | bucky | Jon`: tar -xvzf mysql-5.0.16.tar.gz | ./configure | make | make install is not apt-get |
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| 20:53.19 | Jon` | oh, you mean mysql |
| 20:53.28 | stew | mechathrow: you did uname -s or something |
| 20:53.28 | bucky | good luck |
| 20:53.29 | Jon` | there is no .deb for mysql 5 |
| 20:53.39 | Ungy | Jon`, there isn't? |
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| 20:53.49 | Jon` | I did an apt-cache search mysql |
| 20:53.51 | Jon` | and didn't see one |
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| 20:53.55 | Jon` | only saw them for four |
| 20:53.55 | Ungy | Jon`, your on Sarge? |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | Ungy: i'm sure your wife is glad to know that :) |
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| 20:54.13 | Jon` | Is there some command I can type to figure that out for good? lol |
| 20:54.27 | Ungy | Jon`, check backports |
| 20:54.36 | bucky | in etch there is and maybe a backport |
| 20:54.41 | raden | is there a way to check CPU temp from KDE ? |
| 20:54.49 | mediafly | Does anyone know a yahoo messenger which supports voice options? |
| 20:54.50 | raden | my bios is making my poc speaker beep |
| 20:54.58 | Ungy | abrotman, I have a large tounge |
| 20:55.04 | Jon` | well, im on whichever version doesn't have a package for mysql 5 |
| 20:55.05 | Daveman | hahah this pos |
| 20:55.08 | raden | mediafly, LOL let me know when yeah find one every customer i have asks that |
| 20:55.10 | Ungy | abrotman, she is ok |
| 20:55.15 | Daveman | all better: ) |
| 20:55.24 | Daveman | time to go moidah some aussies (bastards) |
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| 20:55.52 | Ungy | yahoo messenger holy crap people actually use that |
| 20:56.04 | aminorex | millions of them |
| 20:56.12 | Jon` | it seemed pretty primitive to me |
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| 20:56.32 | Ungy | aminorex, seriously? are people retarded or just don't know any better |
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| 20:56.44 | aminorex | people use the telephone too |
| 20:56.44 | Daveman | spyware |
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| 20:56.55 | aminorex | if you can believe that |
| 20:56.57 | FallOnMe | telephone rulez |
| 20:57.03 | jaybar | I broke my sisters ethernet connection while updateing. from b4 /var/log/messages said eth0: davicom dm9102 at pci 0000:01:03.0, 00:08:a1:6f:53:96, irq9" . Now says, eth0: davicom dm9102/dm9102a rev 64 at 0001d800 00:08:a1:6f:53:96 irq 9" as you can see the pci part is gone. what does that mean? |
| 20:57.12 | Ungy | aminorex, yeah well if you don;t have a computer handy it works in a pinch |
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| 20:57.38 | Ungy | jaybar means you broke it good |
| 20:57.41 | aminorex | but only if you want to talk to someone who has a telephone. likewise yahoo messenger. |
| 20:57.58 | jaybar | Ungy: well i try :) |
| 20:58.00 | vedm | abrotman: kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 is not on snapshot.debian.net. Any other ideas? I need it to build spca5xx-source (needed to make a quckcam work) |
| 20:58.05 | FallOnMe | I even use skype. Woe is me. |
| 20:58.06 | Ungy | aminorex, no way man with a little creative whistling i can talk to computers |
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| 20:58.35 | oDii | I'm having a little trouble with powernowd and my Athlon64 - everything's setup correctly as far as I can tell (running powernowd gives me no errors and tells me there are 2 steps available), but when I run "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz", it still says it's running at full speed... does anyone know what's up? |
| 20:58.49 | raden | is there an invoicing program for linux ? |
| 20:59.52 | stew | mutt :) |
| 20:59.54 | abrotman | vedm: it most certainly is |
| 20:59.57 | Jon` | i dont even actualy have a mysql.sock file in /tmp |
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| 21:00.18 | abrotman | vedm: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/06/22/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.11-i386/ .. |
| 21:00.20 | stew | Jon`: in debian, by default, the sock file would be in /var/run/msyqld/ iirc, check my.cnf |
| 21:00.27 | abrotman | vedm: thank you .. have a nice day! |
| 21:00.46 | Jon` | ah you're right |
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| 21:01.04 | Ungy | raden sql-ledger? |
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| 21:01.24 | mechathrow | stew, I'll try again - brb |
| 21:01.43 | Jon` | in my.cnf the path is set correctly |
| 21:01.51 | linux-user | hi folks i just burned 14 cd's with debian i install cd1 then it asks me to install with cd then i inserts cd2 after cd3 ...nothing happened |
| 21:02.18 | Jon` | but when i do mysql its looking for mysql.sock, not mysqld |
| 21:02.19 | bucky | raden there's sql-ledger in etch |
| 21:03.00 | vedm | abrotman: thanks - I was looking for kernel-headers, not kernel-image. Thanks anyway. |
| 21:03.04 | stew | Jon`: wierd, what version of mysql-client or mysql-client-4.1? |
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| 21:03.13 | stew | Jon`: and what version of debian? |
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| 21:03.28 | linux-user | hello |
| 21:03.33 | binks__ | hi guys/gals |
| 21:03.39 | Jon` | for debian i used the netint for 31r0a-i386 |
| 21:03.41 | bucky | Jon`: you can read the doc and see that you need to tell mysql to use mysql.sock in /var/run/msyqld/ with ./configure |
| 21:03.43 | jaybar | how do i hook my eth0 back up to my pci card it seems to be wrongly hooked up to a memory address or somthing? |
| 21:03.50 | binks__ | i have a noobie q. can someone help me |
| 21:03.52 | stew | bucky: ./configure? |
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| 21:04.08 | bucky | stew: that's right.. he built it from a tar ball |
| 21:04.08 | Jon` | and im on mysql5 |
| 21:04.10 | poop | binks: only if you ask the question |
| 21:04.13 | stew | what? |
| 21:04.18 | bucky | yup |
| 21:04.19 | Jon` | 5.0.16 |
| 21:04.26 | mechathrow | stew : After that comman - I got 2.4.27 - 2 - 386 |
| 21:04.27 | stew | Jon`: ask in #mysql then |
| 21:04.34 | binks__ | i need to create a script that will run on start up for my ati drivers to work how do i do one |
| 21:04.36 | linux-user | hi folks i just burned 14 cd's with debian i install cd1 then it asks me to install with cd then i inserts cd2 after cd3 ...nothing happened |
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| 21:04.48 | SimonRaven | we heard you the first time |
| 21:04.49 | Jon` | will do |
| 21:04.55 | stew | mechathrow: which mouse device did you tell it to use? /dev/psaux? /dev/input/mice? what kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 21:05.22 | stew | what do you mean it "asks me to install with cd"? |
| 21:05.22 | stew | linux-user: ^^ |
| 21:05.24 | mechathrow | stew: dev/input/mice |
| 21:05.32 | poop | binks: put it in /etc/init.d then create some links in /etc/rc?.d |
| 21:05.55 | abrotman | vedm: huh ? |
| 21:05.59 | binks__ | err im a bit of a newbie have u a link to a tut |
| 21:06.11 | abrotman | vedm: oh .. the second search box .. you juts put int he package name .. voila! |
| 21:06.22 | linux-user | when i insert cd 1 it formats my pc finds my eth0 etc. then i reboots and asks me to download packages, with cdrom or files, or ftp , i click cdrom and insert disc2 |
| 21:06.24 | stew | mechathrow: how is the mouse connected? |
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| 21:07.00 | stew | linux-user: are you getting an error? are you expecting something to happen that isn't? |
| 21:07.09 | linux-user | no errors |
| 21:07.23 | mememe | hi guys |
| 21:07.33 | Daveman | omfg teh hax |
| 21:07.49 | poop | So how's the multilib support coming along? Is it worth trying amd64 again? |
| 21:08.04 | mechathrow | The mouse is connected through a 6 pin port...? |
| 21:08.18 | mechathrow | stew - the name of that, I can't remember |
| 21:08.30 | bbrazil | binks__: update-rc.d |
| 21:08.39 | stew | mechathrow: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86 and choose /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 21:08.51 | stew | xserver-xfree86* |
| 21:09.06 | mememe | I'm trying some stuff with C. I'm loading a module into the kernel and I want to go to an specific address (I already have it) and I'd like to go through some bytes and disassemble them. Do you know how to go from bytes to assembler? I mean, how do I know how a mov translates? |
| 21:09.12 | binks__ | do u mean add the lines of code to rc.d |
| 21:09.39 | bbrazil | binks__: its a program |
| 21:09.41 | jaybar | eth0 not working since update on testing. from b4 /var/log/messages said eth0: davicom dm9102 at pci 0000:01:03.0, 00:08:a1:6f:53:96, irq9" . Now says, eth0: davicom dm9102/dm9102a rev 64 at 0001d800 00:08:a1:6f:53:96 irq 9" its not hooked up to the eth card. ideas? |
| 21:09.48 | oDii | I'm having a little trouble with powernowd and my Athlon64 - everything's setup correctly as far as I can tell (running powernowd gives me no errors and tells me there are 2 steps available), but when I run "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz", it still says it's running at full speed... does anyone know what's up? |
| 21:09.51 | stew | binks__: what does this script do that you need to run? |
| 21:10.12 | stew | oDii: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 21:10.35 | binks__ | it fixes a bug in my mobo to allow the fglrx driver to work |
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| 21:10.48 | binks__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.48 | binks__ | echo "base=0x00000000 size=0x40000000 type=write-back" > /proc/mtrr |
| 21:11.12 | binks__ | do i use a text ed to creat a sh file with that text in |
| 21:11.14 | stew | binks__: /msg dpkg bootmisc |
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| 21:11.38 | oDii | stew: I'm not running the amd64 arch |
| 21:12.00 | binks__ | arr cheers m8 |
| 21:12.06 | falkon | I can't get yaird to make the initrd file for my custom kernel. I keep getting 'yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.14.3 (fatal)' |
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| 21:12.23 | FallOnMe | stew: is that the canonical place for misc at-boot stuff now? I have /etc/rc.boot from before... |
| 21:12.36 | poop | oDii: You have to modprobe something like cpufreq_userspace |
| 21:12.41 | valdyn | falkon: remove yaird, install initramfs-tools |
| 21:12.50 | linux-user | how do i install debian |
| 21:12.54 | linux-user | i burned 14 discs |
| 21:13.03 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.03 | numist | ... |
| 21:13.05 | poop | linux-user: Did you rtfm? |
| 21:13.09 | falkon | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:13.09 | numist | you didnt have to burn 14 disks |
| 21:13.15 | falkon | valdyn: trying now |
| 21:13.23 | stew | FallOnMe: bootmisc has been around for a long time, don't know anything about rc.boot |
| 21:13.26 | bucky | linux-user: download the 100M netinstall iso and use that |
| 21:13.47 | linux-user | yes but i can not connect to internet so i bunred all 14 discs |
| 21:13.53 | linux-user | but it seems i can not use them at all |
| 21:14.11 | stew | linux-user: what is the problem you are having, so far all you have told us is that you aren't getting any errors |
| 21:14.16 | poop | linux-user: So the first disc doesn't boot? |
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| 21:14.42 | valdyn | oDii: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 21:14.51 | linux-user | http://linux.binarystorm.net/gnu-debian/images/36-network-choice.jpg iam in here i choose cdrom and insert disc2 |
| 21:15.07 | jaybar | eth0 not working since update on testing. from b4 /var/log/messages said eth0: davicom dm9102 at pci 0000:01:03.0, 00:08:a1:6f:53:96, irq9" . Now says, eth0: davicom dm9102/dm9102a rev 64 at 0001d800 00:08:a1:6f:53:96 irq 9" its not hooked up to the eth card. ideas? |
| 21:15.18 | oDii | valdyn - userspace |
| 21:15.22 | mixter | one could change vaious details of an ext2/ext3 filesystem by using tune2fs, but how could i check for example how ay percent that are reserved for the superuser? |
| 21:15.29 | stew | linux-user: sounds correct so far |
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| 21:15.45 | bucky | linux-user: since you have 14 cd's choose cdrom |
| 21:15.46 | Jon` | ok well i got it running but now its just sitting there after the source distribution message |
| 21:15.53 | Jon` | and didn't bring a command prompt back up and i cant ctrl+C |
| 21:15.58 | Jon` | but i can type things |
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| 21:16.01 | valdyn | oDii: try switching down manually ( echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| 21:16.10 | stew | Jon`: #mysql this has nothing to do with debian |
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| 21:16.27 | FallOnMe | mixter: dumpe2fs |
| 21:16.29 | t432 | amy yacc users in here? |
| 21:16.39 | linux-user | yes i choose cd rom i insert cd2 nothing happens |
| 21:16.46 | poop | t432: debian-specific yacc bug? |
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| 21:16.59 | oDii | valdyn: "Permission Denied" |
| 21:17.00 | mixter | Jon`: if you want to run mysql all the time, you should start is as a daemon in your startup scripts.. read the mysql documents about that |
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| 21:17.04 | poop | linux-user: Did it actually prompt for disc 2? |
| 21:17.04 | t432 | nope just needed some help with the syntax |
| 21:17.06 | valdyn | oDii: as root |
| 21:17.06 | Robbjedi | Hey, I am having some installation issues |
| 21:17.08 | bucky | stew: i couldn't find a mysql5 backport for Jon` but i didn't look very hard.. do you know of one? |
| 21:17.17 | valdyn | oDii: that echo doesnt cooperate with sudo |
| 21:17.19 | Robbjedi | In simplest terms when getting to the partition step its not detecting my hard drive |
| 21:17.23 | poop | t432: A programming channel might be better suited. |
| 21:17.24 | stew | bucky: nope |
| 21:17.31 | t432 | ok |
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| 21:17.33 | mixter | Jon`: i think there is a safe_mysql command or something like that to start it (or add a &-sign at the end to return to the prompt) |
| 21:17.34 | oDii | valdyn: I am currently root |
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| 21:17.40 | bucky | i don't think there is one... |
| 21:17.43 | mixter | FallOnMe: thanks! |
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| 21:17.47 | Robbjedi | HP Media Center, so I had the idea that it could be the PCMIA cards, so I disabled those in install |
| 21:17.54 | Robbjedi | still nothing, and ive tried the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:17.56 | jaybar | how do i make my ethernet card hook up to eth0? |
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| 21:18.09 | Robbjedi | Has anyone heard of a similar issue, or has any ideas? |
| 21:18.15 | valdyn | oDii: cat scaling_driver |
| 21:18.25 | Robbjedi | I have actually already partitioned the hard drive, its just not picking it up |
| 21:18.32 | bucky | Jon`: if i were you i'd upgrade to etch and apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 21:18.57 | valdyn | oDii: uname -r |
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| 21:19.01 | oDii | valdyn: powernow-k8 |
| 21:19.03 | Robbjedi | Anyone? |
| 21:19.06 | Dakkon | hi - is uwe hermann around by any chance? does he use irc? |
| 21:19.10 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 21:19.16 | Bob332 | are the packages in /pool stable packages, testing, or sid? |
| 21:19.25 | peterS | Bob332: yes |
| 21:19.29 | oDii | valdyn: 2.6.14-2-686-smp |
| 21:19.43 | bucky | Robbjedi: SATA ? which controller? |
| 21:19.44 | stew | Dakkon: see if he has a /nick in ldap at db.debian.org and /whois nick |
| 21:19.44 | PupenoL | Is there a standard way to manage a set of packages I am making ? is there any docs about how Debian manages its packages ? |
| 21:20.15 | Robbjedi | Hi Bucky, its on the first (Zero) |
| 21:20.21 | peterS | PupenoL: debian has *tons* of scripts and servers and stuff, it's a very complex system |
| 21:20.27 | Robbjedi | Eh fairly generic western digital |
| 21:20.27 | valdyn | oDii: weird, this _is_ setup correctly. Try 'modprobe cpufreq_ondemand' and echo ondemand > scaling_governor |
| 21:20.28 | peterS | PupenoL: for you, you probably just want to use apt-ftparchive |
| 21:20.32 | bucky | Robbjedi: SATA ? which controller? |
| 21:20.38 | Bob332 | peterS, yes what? which release are they for? |
| 21:20.42 | PupenoL | peterS: I'll take a look. Thanks. |
| 21:20.44 | peterS | Bob332: all of the above |
| 21:20.44 | Dakkon | stew: thanks for the tip, but he hasn't an irc nickname set .. nuts. |
| 21:20.50 | stew | Bob332: all three |
| 21:20.54 | valdyn | oDii: that would do about the same as powernowd, if it works.. |
| 21:21.02 | Bob332 | stew, peterS , ok thank you |
| 21:21.07 | PupenoL | jaybar: when a card is recognized, Linux asigns it a device (you don't really 'hook' a card to a device). |
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| 21:21.14 | Robbjedi | No its not |
| 21:21.22 | Robbjedi | IDE |
| 21:21.24 | peterS | Bob332: that's why it's called "pool" rather than being named after a specific release. it's a pool of all the packages hosted at ftp.debian.org |
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| 21:21.48 | peterS | Bob332: years ago, before the pool structure, packages were found under debian/dists/stable/main/... |
| 21:22.11 | jaybar | PupenoL: thanx...its just that it was asigned to a pci devise and now its assigned to what looks like a memory address |
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| 21:22.24 | Jon` | ill try that bucky |
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| 21:22.28 | oDii | valdyn - Nope, "cpu MHz: 1808.077" is still reported by cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz |
| 21:22.31 | PupenoL | jaybar: what ? |
| 21:22.38 | binks | can i just say thanks for the help guys ive been struggling with the ati drivers for about a week and now i get fglrx in fglrxinfo and i get 3121fps in glxgears |
| 21:22.38 | falkon | erg problem |
| 21:22.54 | valdyn | oDii: dmesg | grep powernow |
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| 21:23.11 | bucky | Robbjedi: hmm.. wierd Ctl-Alt F2 and fdisk -p /dev/hda |
| 21:23.22 | Robbjedi | Err its on IDE 0 if that is what you were asking, I must sound ignorant here for whatever reason I just dont really have any knowledge of hard drives in comparison to other things |
| 21:23.22 | jaybar | PupenoL: let me show you the lines in my var/log/messages that are what im seeing |
| 21:23.40 | PupenoL | jaybar: I think you are overcomplicating, ifconfig -a should show the card as ethN, or you need to load its module. |
| 21:23.46 | oDii | valdyn: powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.50.4), powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0x6 (1400 mV), powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV) |
| 21:23.59 | Robbjedi | What is that going to give me bucky? |
| 21:24.10 | Robbjedi | (Sorry I am in windows now, so I just wanted to ask) |
| 21:24.13 | valdyn | oDii: did this ever work with older kernel(s) ? |
| 21:24.14 | Robbjedi | have to reboot |
| 21:24.22 | stew | binks: thinking back, what you did should arguably have been done in /etc/sysctl.conf (man sysctl; man sysctl.conf) |
| 21:24.23 | falkon | I gotta put the newest udev on this computer to use the new initrd tools, but it requires 2.6.12, and I'm running 2.6.11. I want to just install a kernel-image of 2.6.12 just to do the build, but this crap in apt is blocking it. Can I get around the uninstallable udev to install the kernel image? |
| 21:24.36 | Robbjedi | Eh ill just try |
| 21:24.36 | PupenoL | jaybar: use some pastebin (http://paste.lisp.org). |
| 21:24.38 | Robbjedi | be back soon |
| 21:24.49 | bucky | Robbjedi: hmm.. wierd Ctl-Alt F2 and fdisk /dev/hda don't use the -p, it will tell you if you can fdisk you drive or not |
| 21:24.49 | oDii | valdyn - This is the first kernel that even remotely supported the hardware I'm running, so I haven't tried revious ones |
| 21:24.52 | stew | falkon: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 21:25.01 | bucky | Robbjedi: and p for print and q for quit |
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| 21:25.20 | valdyn | oDii: which athlon is this exactly? a x2 ? |
| 21:25.22 | jaybar | PupenoL: well i will try that..but im showing the modules as loaded and the pci ethernet controller is also shoing in lspci |
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| 21:25.35 | jaybar | PupenoL: showing |
| 21:25.49 | oDii | valdyn: No, a Venice cored 3000+ on an Nforce 4 motherboard |
| 21:26.40 | oDii | valdyn: Strangely enough, on previous kernel versions it wouldn't accept the forcedeth ethernet modile, but on this version (2.6.14) it does |
| 21:26.53 | PupenoL | jaybar: url ? |
| 21:27.06 | valdyn | oDii: thats ok, since you have a rather new nvidia chipset too |
| 21:27.14 | binaryfinary | how can I rip mp3s? |
| 21:27.20 | valdyn | oDii: did you try to use the acpi driver instead? |
| 21:27.31 | bucky | oDii: is there a reason you're not using debian pure 64 ? |
| 21:28.23 | oDii | bucky: This was the only version of 2.6.14 on a CD I could find (too noob to compile own kernel) |
| 21:28.38 | valdyn | umm, its vice versa, people should use debian/amd64 _only_ if they have good reasons for that.. |
| 21:29.06 | oDii | valdyn: No, the powernow thing seem like their easier option |
| 21:29.21 | valdyn | oDii: i'd try a non-smp kernel, if that doesnt work the acpi instead of powernow |
| 21:29.32 | jaybar | PupenoL: hell..ive never used that thing .. |
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| 21:29.55 | jaybar | PupenoL: dont know what to do |
| 21:30.05 | oDii | valdyn: Okay, thanks... expect questions as soon as I've taken the first steps into acpi ;) |
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| 21:30.20 | PupenoL | jaybar: paste the output of ifconfig -a on http://paste.lisp.org and tell me the URL of that paste. |
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| 21:30.55 | stew | b |
| 21:31.04 | Jon` | c |
| 21:31.05 | kl1 | hi , any one knows how to make a jumpstart server? |
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| 21:32.31 | binaryfinary | jumpstart server? |
| 21:32.40 | kl1 | yes |
| 21:32.46 | kl1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.53 | binaryfinary | ??? |
| 21:32.59 | jaybar | PupenoL: i will have to do it later..im not at that computer..i will have to go get it later..thanx anyways |
| 21:33.12 | abrotman | !fai |
| 21:33.12 | binaryfinary | explain |
| 21:33.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
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| 21:33.22 | abrotman | kl1: there is no jumpstart for debian .. just FAI and dphys |
| 21:34.03 | kl1 | oh |
| 21:34.48 | binaryfinary | hey what do I need to install to get xmms-node working? |
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| 21:35.11 | binaryfinary | Can't locate Xmms/Remote.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 |
| 21:35.27 | binks | stew i dont care it worked a full week reinstalling fglrx and now it works |
| 21:35.30 | binaryfinary | after perl |
| 21:35.32 | FallOnMe | is the file path debian/rules some kind of a subliminal message? |
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| 21:35.48 | stew | binaryfinary: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:36.00 | stew | FallOnMe: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 21:36.04 | binaryfinary | search for what? |
| 21:36.16 | drito | where can I contact to inform about a mistake in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFluxbox ? It says ctrl-alt-del closes Xwindow, but it's ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:36.38 | SimonRaven | drito: it's a wiki, edit it yourself |
| 21:36.39 | stew | binaryfinary: "apt-cache search xmms perl" "apt-file search Remote.pm" or numerous possible searches on packages.debian.org |
| 21:36.42 | FallOnMe | stew: I know what it is. But just read it aloud. ;-) |
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| 21:36.45 | mediafly | can I clone a harddisk (80 GB) to a smaller HD (60 GB)? On the source HD 25GB are still free, thus there is enough space on the destination disc. If so, what command should I use? |
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| 21:36.49 | stew | FallOnMe: ahh :) |
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| 21:37.02 | binaryfinary | thanks stew |
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| 21:37.24 | drito | no I cna't |
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| 21:37.28 | drito | it's immutable, SimonRaven |
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| 21:37.29 | red_ | anyone get the 2.6.14 kernel to work with a mouse? I installed it and my mouse stopped working |
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| 21:37.43 | stew | red_: modprobe mousedev |
| 21:37.44 | whacked | lol |
| 21:37.49 | kekec | excuse me, what kind of network is this? |
| 21:37.53 | SimonRaven | then like any other site you contact the webmaster |
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| 21:38.01 | stew | kekec: its the internet |
| 21:38.02 | valdyn | kekec: is what? |
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| 21:38.06 | adii | how to start a ssh daemon |
| 21:38.07 | adii | ? |
| 21:38.08 | m000k | i have a question, anyone around that could help me? |
| 21:38.10 | drito | thanks |
| 21:38.12 | kekec | i mean freenode |
| 21:38.16 | valdyn | !tell m000k -about ask |
| 21:38.18 | whacked | red_, make sure you choose /dev/psux for mouse in xconfig |
| 21:38.20 | drito | adii: /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 21:38.21 | stew | adii: what version of debian? |
| 21:38.23 | poop | m000k: Not if you keep it to yourself ... |
| 21:38.25 | adii | etch |
| 21:38.25 | efaistos | hi |
| 21:38.33 | stew | whacked: why not /dev/input/mice? |
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| 21:38.48 | whacked | because it doesn't work in xconfig |
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| 21:38.54 | adii | drito, sshd , command not found |
| 21:38.55 | whacked | not if it's ps2 |
| 21:38.55 | stew | adii: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 21:38.58 | adii | ok |
| 21:39.01 | stew | whacked: why? |
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| 21:39.10 | whacked | not sure, x won't load |
| 21:39.14 | stew | sure it will |
| 21:39.26 | whacked | well I always get errors |
| 21:39.43 | stew | whacked: using a 2.6 kernel with mousedev and psmouse modules loaded? |
| 21:39.44 | m000k | poop, my debian box i took the hdd out and stuck it in my windows box and it booted up fine in debian on console mode, and i stuck it back in the original box and it tried to boot up in fbsd, and it hasn't had fbsd on it in forever. and I need to get it up and running so i can get the data off of it and format it and get it up and running again, understand what i'm trying to say? lol |
| 21:39.46 | falkon | valdyn: okay, what command do I use to build the /lib/modules/ files for my custom kernel? I did it once, and I forgot how |
| 21:39.49 | efaistos | do u know how to improve the cpu temperature on a laptop ? Apparently, my friend's computer is halting every 30 minutes because the cpu is too hot ... |
| 21:39.49 | drito | ssh sintead of sshd perhaps? |
| 21:39.58 | whacked | yeah |
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| 21:40.09 | whacked | 2.6 has better mouse handling |
| 21:40.14 | whacked | it's smoother ect |
| 21:40.17 | falkon | m000k: dangerously dedicated? |
| 21:40.27 | adii | isn't there kde for etch ? |
| 21:40.41 | stew | !kde3.4 |
| 21:40.42 | dpkg | KDE 3.4 is finally in etch. parts of kde were removed for the 3.4 transition so the metapacakge that installs everything can't be installed, but many of its individual components can be installed |
| 21:40.43 | whacked | sif kde |
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| 21:40.50 | red_ | whacked, yea the mouse works in the 2.6.10 |
| 21:40.57 | drito | !supybot |
| 21:41.02 | m000k | poop, i have some important data i need off of it, if you or anyone else could help me get them off of it before i re-install it that would be nice. |
| 21:41.06 | Nwallins | efaistos: make sure all the fans are operating |
| 21:41.09 | stew | red_: do you have both mousedev and psmouse modules loaded? |
| 21:41.20 | whacked | how do I install kernel 2.6.10? I could onlu see 2.6.8 |
| 21:41.22 | stew | red_: and is this a debian kernel? or one you compiled? |
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| 21:41.27 | adii | are debian coders working on doing this metapackage ? |
| 21:41.28 | stew | whacked: there is no 2.6.10 in debian |
| 21:41.36 | whacked | and why not? |
| 21:41.43 | whacked | whats the newest? |
| 21:41.58 | jaybar | PupenoL: http://paste.lisp.org/display/14127 |
| 21:42.00 | falkon | What command do I pass to make-kpkg to make the modules in /lib/modules/? I tried modules_image... nope |
| 21:42.01 | valdyn | falkon: those modules are built when building that kernel |
| 21:42.14 | stew | whacked: stable was released with 2.6.8-2, testing and unstable have 2.6.12 and 2.6.14 |
| 21:42.26 | falkon | valdyn: they didn't get built when I did make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 21:42.28 | red_ | stew, its a debian kernel |
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| 21:42.31 | whacked | Im on sarge |
| 21:42.33 | valdyn | falkon: make-kpkg kernel-image ( modules-image refers to _external_ modules ) |
| 21:42.40 | whacked | I built 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:42.50 | karsten | Using bugzilla, email notifications, and mutt, anyone got a good way of threading related bugreport updates? |
| 21:42.52 | valdyn | falkon: sure they did, did you install the resulting .deb ? |
| 21:42.52 | stew | whacked: sarge never gets new packages only security updates |
| 21:42.53 | falkon | valdyn: I did that |
| 21:42.57 | falkon | valdyn: yes |
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| 21:43.03 | efaistos | Nwallins, it's on a laptop .... Some package who can interact with them maybe ? |
| 21:43.15 | stew | falkon: are you sure you aren't after the initrd? |
| 21:43.22 | Nwallins | efaistos: umm.. sounds like a h/w problem, not a s/w problem |
| 21:43.30 | valdyn | falkon: its possible to build kernels without any modules or even without module support, you did that? |
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| 21:44.02 | falkon | valdyn: i doubt it, considering a selected so many modules and loadable module support |
| 21:44.11 | m000k | can you help? lol |
| 21:44.23 | falkon | fuck it, compiling again :( |
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| 21:45.02 | numist | hail gnea |
| 21:45.10 | Gnea | hi |
| 21:45.23 | valdyn | falkon: run make-kpkg clean before you run make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 21:45.29 | Gnea | 'hail'? i think i'm insulted :P |
| 21:45.35 | bucky | falkon: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 21:45.36 | numist | :o |
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| 21:45.38 | falkon | stew: initrd is telling me /lib/modules/2.6.14.3 isnt' there... which it isn't |
| 21:45.49 | falkon | valdyn: did that |
| 21:45.57 | Gnea | numist: j/k :) |
| 21:45.58 | numist | !insult gnea |
| 21:46.00 | dpkg | gnea is nothing but a ruttish mound of fen-sucked snake snot |
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| 21:46.04 | numist | :D |
| 21:46.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:46.08 | falkon | valdyn: I'm just going to build it as root. this is pissing me off |
| 21:46.30 | Gnea | !initrd |
| 21:46.30 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 21:47.35 | efaistos | Is there a way to install mysql5 with mysql4 already installed ... |
| 21:48.11 | wau | hey all I'm having trouble running md5sum on my windows system, windows does not recognize as a command? |
| 21:48.18 | red_ | stew, i am running 2.6.10 and i dont see the mousedev or the psmouse modules loaded |
| 21:48.27 | poop | wau: so? |
| 21:48.31 | stew | red_: load them |
| 21:48.48 | wau | hu |
| 21:48.52 | wau | huh? |
| 21:49.00 | poop | wau: who cares? |
| 21:49.07 | stew | wau: wrong channel |
| 21:49.31 | red_ | stew, the mouse "is working in my 2.6.10 kernel |
| 21:49.35 | wau | what channel am I supposed to be on? |
| 21:49.41 | wau | isn;t this debian help? |
| 21:49.57 | poop | wau: Do you have a question that pertains to debian? |
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| 21:50.16 | stew | red_: are both kernels debian kernels? |
| 21:50.23 | bucky | wau: /join #windows |
| 21:50.25 | wau | yes. I am trying to checksum the iso I downloaded |
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| 21:50.39 | wau | first time I downloaded it had errors |
| 21:50.42 | HyperZid | anyone know how I can print out 4 pages.. and get them scaled down.. so they fit into 1 page?.. at my university.. they got a print utility where I just can spesify -multi 4.. and it does that automaticly |
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| 21:50.50 | stew | red_: how are you checking if they are loaded? with lsmod? |
| 21:51.00 | poop | wau: You've hopefully realized that windos is mostly useless. You'll have to risk an unverified iso. |
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| 21:51.07 | wau | so I want to make sure it is ok this time |
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| 21:51.09 | red_ | tehy are both debian kernels and yes i am using lsmod |
| 21:51.24 | wau | this is why I'm trying to switch |
| 21:51.34 | poop | wau: Surely google has offered you md5sum for windos. |
| 21:51.36 | wau | I'm new or course |
| 21:51.56 | wau | actually I downloaded off debian website |
| 21:52.03 | m000k | poop? |
| 21:52.25 | wau | the read me says, start/ run tyoe"command" |
| 21:52.35 | wau | and then feed it the iso you want it to check |
| 21:52.52 | wau | however windows does not recognize it as a command |
| 21:53.09 | stew | wau: google for a md5sum program for windows. sorry we can't help you |
| 21:53.33 | poop | wau: #windows |
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| 21:53.50 | stew | red_: shouldn't be working in either kernel without psmouse or mousedev loaded |
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| 21:54.04 | wau | ok |
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| 21:54.14 | wau | i'm not trying to bother |
| 21:54.15 | red_ | stew, it is |
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| 21:54.23 | wau | just thought someone might know |
| 21:54.31 | valdyn | HyperZid: apt-cache show mpage |
| 21:54.38 | poop | wau: Someone might but it's still not appropriate to ask here. |
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| 21:54.54 | Supermule_ | anybody know how to automize screenshot creation. I want to start programm foo, take screenshot, and then kill foo. Found gnome-panel-screenshot, but it seems imposible ot automize. Unless there is some generic way to automazie gnome program, that i do not of. |
| 21:54.55 | wau | ok. why? |
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| 21:55.07 | xtheblack9x | what does debian use to install packages like (mandriva = urpmi, fedora = yum install) |
| 21:55.15 | stew | wau: becuase its a windows question and we dont support windows |
| 21:55.26 | stew | !wikifaq xtheblack9x PackageManagement |
| 21:55.28 | dpkg | xtheblack9x: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:55.32 | stew | xtheblack9x: and google for the apt-howto |
| 21:55.34 | wau | I am attempting to check to see is the debian iso has been downloaded intact |
| 21:55.41 | stew | red_: which kernel is booted now? |
| 21:55.47 | xtheblack9x | ok thanks guys |
| 21:55.52 | stew | wau: did you download it in debian? |
| 21:55.52 | wau | so that I can install debian on my system |
| 21:56.03 | red_ | stew, 2.6.10 |
| 21:56.13 | wau | I downloaded from debian |
| 21:56.13 | stew | red_: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:56.24 | poop | wau: If you downloaded it in BeOS would you expect BeOS questions to be answered in #debian? |
| 21:56.29 | stew | wau: run "md5sum /path/to/iso" in debian |
| 21:57.10 | wau | therefore it is a debian installation question |
| 21:57.10 | abrotman | !win32 md5sum |
| 21:57.10 | dpkg | http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/ |
| 21:57.21 | peterS | that, or if the filenames are in the same locations and have the same names, use md5sum -c THE_MD5SUM_FILE |
| 21:57.27 | wau | it would be appropriate to ask |
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| 21:57.51 | poop | wau: Can you help me burn this debian iso in OS X? |
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| 21:58.09 | wau | no, I couldn't |
| 21:58.16 | stew | wau: you couldnt' what? |
| 21:58.42 | wau | but as a debian( granted newbie) user I might have come across the issue before |
| 21:58.51 | stew | wau: sorry |
| 21:59.39 | stew | wau: did you try the url the dpkg told you? |
| 21:59.57 | red_ | stew, Linux whey 2.6.10 #1 Wed Feb 23 16:54:53 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:00.17 | wau | I'm looking now |
| 22:00.21 | stew | red_: AHA! that's not a debian kernel, which may explain why its working without mousedev and psmouse running |
| 22:00.29 | red_ | stew, this is what I am trying to run vmlinuz-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 22:00.47 | red_ | stew, sorry i thougth it was |
| 22:00.55 | falkon | stew: maybe you can give me a few pointers. Okay, here's what I'm doing: compiling custom kernel and a few external modules [nvidia, lirc, shfs]. after make-kpkg clean and make-kpkg modules_clean, I'll do make-kpg --initrd binary then make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image right? |
| 22:00.57 | red_ | stew, im running mepis |
| 22:01.02 | stew | ugh |
| 22:01.10 | red_ | stew, i thought it was debian though |
| 22:01.28 | stew | red_: you don't even know which distro you are running? |
| 22:01.38 | red_ | stew, i am running mepis |
| 22:01.43 | peterS | red_: now you know why we find it hard to support non-debian systems such as mepis. and why we sometimes complain when people ask knoppix/ubuntu/mepis/etc questions in here (: there really *are* differences that make it hard to give proper support |
| 22:02.07 | stew | falkon: have you checked the bts? |
| 22:02.11 | stew | falkon: what version of debian? |
| 22:02.18 | Dewi | apt-get update is reporting "Ign" for security main/contrib/nonfree. What does that mean? |
| 22:02.22 | red_ | peterS, I understand , I am looking for support fro a debian kernel |
| 22:02.27 | bucky | wau: just a wild guess but this might work http://www.etree.org/md5com.html |
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| 22:02.36 | stew | Dewi: what is the deb line from sources.list? |
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| 22:02.56 | falkon | stew: how do I tell which debian version. It's not in uname -a |
| 22:03.01 | stew | Dewi: actually nevermind |
| 22:03.05 | Dewi | stew: chmod -R 644 Dalek\'s\ Masterplan\ \(Hartnell\)/ Absolute\ Power\ series\ 1-3/ |
| 22:03.14 | Dewi | .............. oh I hate the clipboard so much |
| 22:03.18 | bnoji | Is anyone actually using network ups tools? |
| 22:03.35 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 22:03.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:03.44 | DevilChaos | what package can i install to read .wmv movies |
| 22:03.46 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 22:03.57 | wau | thank you stew. I have the application. I am having difficulty getting it to as windows wont recognize the command. |
| 22:03.57 | falkon | stew: I've since done a few dis-upgrades. I dunno if that changes anything |
| 22:04.03 | falkon | DevilChaos: w32codecs |
| 22:04.06 | Dewi | stew: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:04.11 | peterS | red_: as stew said earlier, load the psmouse and mousedev modules. 'modprobe mousedev' then 'modprobe psmouse'. (in either order) |
| 22:04.13 | soymilk | how do you create an initrd image in a chrooted environment? |
| 22:04.19 | falkon | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 22:04.30 | stew | Dewi: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 22:04.32 | red_ | peterS, and stew many thanks! |
| 22:04.39 | MrBallZ | is there a webpage with the advantages of using x.org over xfree86 .. |
| 22:04.41 | valdyn | soymilk: same way as always but you might want to edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 22:04.45 | falkon | DevilChaos: you'll have to add an unofficial apt source to get |
| 22:04.51 | valdyn | soymilk: in that chroot |
| 22:04.51 | peterS | MrBallZ: I'd check www.x.org |
| 22:05.04 | peterS | MrBallZ: if they can't sell their own product, I doubt we can do better |
| 22:05.05 | JeffGreen | further to my odd date problem, if I reset the clock to the wrong date and time, the process starting times change by the same amount so the discrepency remains exactly the same |
| 22:05.24 | DevilChaos | falkon:where is the apt soucre located? |
| 22:05.35 | falkon | DevilChaos: let me get it real quick |
| 22:05.50 | stew | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 22:05.57 | peterS | MrBallZ: the primary benefit is updated hardware support. other benefits are much more ephemeral and most ordinary users won't see much of them |
| 22:06.03 | DevilChaos | i have mirrillat |
| 22:06.12 | stew | DevilChaos: install w32codecs |
| 22:06.20 | DevilChaos | ok thanx |
| 22:06.24 | falkon | DevilChaos: oh, that's where you get it |
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| 22:06.52 | falkon | DevilChaos: marrilat is awesome, eh? |
| 22:06.57 | DevilChaos | thanx falcon |
| 22:07.00 | DevilChaos | yup |
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| 22:07.13 | DevilChaos | dvdrip is good |
| 22:07.30 | falkon | DevilChaos: rip me seasons of CSI and I'll love you |
| 22:08.15 | fbi | go buy them you cheap bastard. |
| 22:08.18 | fbi | that's illegal. |
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| 22:08.57 | stouset | fbi: Yeah, buying them is highly illegal. |
| 22:08.59 | falkon | fbi: I never realized that. I've changed my ways |
| 22:09.14 | peterS | now now, don't just do it because the FBI is watching |
| 22:09.23 | fbi | stouset: uh, whatever that meant. |
| 22:09.32 | DevilChaos | CSI? |
| 22:09.40 | peterS | some TV show |
| 22:09.43 | DevilChaos | cant u download? |
| 22:09.52 | fbi | !tell DevilChaos about u |
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| 22:09.59 | soymilk | i'm reading web pages for initrd and there seem to be many different versions, with totally different switches |
| 22:10.04 | falkon | DevilChaos: I can. I have season 1, but season 2 isn't going to be done for another 12 hours |
| 22:10.05 | soymilk | mkinitrd |
| 22:10.09 | DevilChaos | oops sorry |
| 22:10.23 | falkon | soymilk: all I know is yaird is crap, don't use it |
| 22:10.27 | peterS | soymilk: there are two basic types: initrd and initramfs. initramfs is better in many ways but only works in 2.6 kernels. |
| 22:10.35 | Sneaky_Bastard | actually, if the real FBI were watching, it would be with a CARNIVORE II hooked up one or more of the LAN's where one or more of the servers for this IRC network are hosted. |
| 22:10.37 | Dewi | stew: hmm. I still get an "Ign" for "http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release |
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| 22:10.40 | Dewi | " |
| 22:10.46 | peterS | soymilk: for creating an initramfs format, you can use yaird or initramfs-tools. yaird is simpler |
| 22:10.50 | Dewi | stew: then I get a GPG error |
| 22:10.53 | peterS | falkon: on what do you base that accusation? |
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| 22:10.57 | Sneaky_Bastard | what's that you say? you don't know about CARNIVORE II ? |
| 22:11.00 | Sneaky_Bastard | shame |
| 22:11.01 | falkon | peterS: experience |
| 22:11.12 | peterS | falkon: what did it not do for you that another tool did? |
| 22:11.15 | poop | http://www.scaryideas.com/project.html |
| 22:11.25 | bucky | CSI comes on 20 times a week here... tivo it |
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| 22:11.38 | poop | mythtv it! |
| 22:11.42 | falkon | peterS: it didn't build the initrd image, whereas initramfs did |
| 22:11.46 | soymilk | peterS: i apt-get install kernel-image... in a chroot. it failed because of no /proc. but it did put the kernel in /boot. i want to manually run mkinitrd for that kernel.... |
| 22:11.52 | peterS | falkon: thanks for being so specific |
| 22:12.13 | peterS | soymilk: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image... is the easiest way to return mkinitrd, frankly |
| 22:12.13 | falkon | peterS: is there any better explanation than it didn't work when other tools did? |
| 22:12.31 | falkon | peterS: you asked me what it didn't do that others did, the answer is work |
| 22:12.33 | bucky | is mkinitrd still broken in etch? |
| 22:12.36 | bnoji | I'm trying to decide on whether to spend the extra cash for an APC UPS, or try a CyberPower one for much less (both are supposed to be supported by NUT) |
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| 22:12.53 | bucky | i had to use the sid version of initrd-tools |
| 22:12.56 | peterS | falkon: some details about, you know, what kernel version you've got and what type of root filesystem you have... |
| 22:13.00 | xtheblack9x | what program deos everyone use for sharing fills over a network? |
| 22:13.10 | xtheblack9x | files sorry |
| 22:13.16 | peterS | xtheblack9x: apache |
| 22:13.20 | bucky | xtheblack9x: samba |
| 22:13.21 | Dewi | stew: nevermind; worked out how to add the key |
| 22:13.24 | falkon | peterS: 2.6.14.3 and using grub boot loader |
| 22:13.25 | soymilk | peterS: i can't because its "broken or not fully installed" |
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| 22:13.32 | jshriver | Greetings |
| 22:13.34 | SimAtWrk | do you guys feel amd64 is ready to be used in a server environment? |
| 22:13.43 | bucky | SimAtWrk: yup |
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| 22:13.47 | jshriver | anyone know of an easy way to convertt a lot of zip files to tar.bz2? should be possible via BASH. |
| 22:13.50 | xtheblack9x | peterS: cant you us apache as a server to? |
| 22:13.51 | poop | Sim: nope |
| 22:14.00 | peterS | xtheblack9x: what? I said apache. |
| 22:14.03 | falkon | peterS: valdyn told me to trash it and get initramfs and that worked |
| 22:14.08 | SimAtWrk | bucky: okie |
| 22:14.09 | DevilChaos | how do i change password for nickserv please? |
| 22:14.15 | peterS | DevilChaos: /msg nickserv help |
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| 22:14.33 | SimAtWrk | bucky: why is it considered unoffically stable by debian? |
| 22:14.46 | bucky | SimAtWrk: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 22:14.49 | soymilk | forget it. i'll just build my own .14 |
| 22:14.58 | moshii | does anyone know where I can find out how to build a cd with a couple debs on it can be used by apt? |
| 22:15.06 | bucky | SimAtWrk: i think they say amd64 sarge is ok |
| 22:15.09 | peterS | SimAtWrk: because there was not space on the debian ftp mirrors for amd64, so it can't be distributed there |
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| 22:15.16 | peterS | SimAtWrk: that's really the only reason |
| 22:15.19 | jshriver | unzip file.zip | tar -cvf | bzip2 -9 file.tar.bz2? somethign along those lines. |
| 22:15.25 | streuner | moshii: apt-cdrom add |
| 22:15.27 | peterS | SimAtWrk: there's *still* not space, but the problem is being worked on |
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| 22:15.52 | moshii | streuner: I want to make the cd to add as a source to apt though :) |
| 22:15.56 | peterS | jshriver: no, that won't work |
| 22:16.06 | SimAtWrk | peterS: oh!!! |
| 22:16.19 | streuner | moshii: as debs? |
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| 22:16.21 | jshriver | I know BASH offers variable names.. so figured there would be some way of unzip *.zip etc etc |
| 22:16.21 | peterS | jshriver: what you want is something more complex involving unpacking into a temporary directory then tarring that directory. so like.... |
| 22:16.31 | jshriver | yeah |
| 22:16.41 | jshriver | I can do it manually and it takes 1/4th the space.. |
| 22:16.47 | jshriver | but there are over 500 files.. |
| 22:16.49 | streuner | moshii: man apt-cdrom |
| 22:17.28 | bucky | SimAtWrk: if you send us a lot of money for new servers we'll put 64 on the official mirrors |
| 22:17.33 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 22:17.53 | moshii | streuner: I've built installer/debian system for a special purpose, now I want to add a few packages onto the cd so that they can be cleanly installed once everything is working |
| 22:18.10 | xtheblack9x | how can i see if i have samba installed |
| 22:18.13 | dimes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.20 | peterS | jshriver: for f in *.zip; do d=$(mktemp -d foo.XXXXXX); oldd=$(pwd); cd $d; unzip "$oldd/$f"; tar cjf "$oldd/${f%zip}tar.bz2" *; cd "$oldd"; rm -fr $d; done |
| 22:18.20 | poop | xthe: dpkg -l | grep samba |
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| 22:18.30 | streuner | xtheblack9x: dpkg -l samba |
| 22:18.33 | jshriver | lol let me try |
| 22:18.34 | xtheblack9x | thanks |
| 22:18.39 | abrotman | how does someone with that nick remain in the channel ? |
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| 22:18.53 | peterS | jshriver: I just typed that off the top of my head, so I don't know if I typo'd anything |
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| 22:19.07 | jshriver | will look appreciate the help though |
| 22:19.08 | soymilk | question: isn't the whole initrd-thing tied to when you had to cram the kernel onto a 1.44MB floppy? why is it even used anymore then? |
| 22:19.11 | stew | peterS: you know ~- is shorthand for your use of oldd |
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| 22:19.34 | poop | soymilk: peecees still have all the retarded limitations they had in 1981 |
| 22:19.35 | soymilk | stew: so is - |
| 22:19.36 | peterS | soymilk: because you still don't want a kernel with 50 IDE and 50 SCSI drivers built into it |
| 22:19.42 | SimAtWrk | bucky: i will get o that |
| 22:19.58 | peterS | soymilk: that would eat a lot of memory the whole time your system is running |
| 22:20.01 | soymilk | peterS: modules? |
| 22:20.04 | xtheblack9x | i love this im running debian on a celiron 500 mhz with 64 mb ram and its working ok ha ha ha |
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| 22:20.11 | moshii | soymilk: initrd also allows encrypted root etc |
| 22:20.15 | peterS | soymilk: how do you propose to load the right modules, before you've mounted the root filesystem? |
| 22:20.25 | xtheblack9x | all the other distrobutions i tryed are way to slow |
| 22:20.26 | peterS | soymilk: you have to get the modules *somewhere*. that is what an initrd is for. |
| 22:20.28 | stew | soymilk: '-'? can you give me an example usage? |
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| 22:20.33 | poop | Other OS's link the modules into the kernel |
| 22:20.35 | raden | can anyone point me in a direction of wher to get info to adjust printer settings everytime i print it doesnt use first 2" of page and p[rint margin in staroffice @ .6" |
| 22:20.43 | stew | soymilk: oh, nm |
| 22:20.45 | streuner | xtheblack9x: heh, iam running a 'WinChip' 200 mhz with 64 MB :-P |
| 22:20.45 | jshriver | thanks it works :) its' grinding away now |
| 22:20.48 | soymilk | peterS: i always thought the initrd held extra modules. i see |
| 22:20.49 | apogee_XL | hello everyone :-) |
| 22:21.07 | xtheblack9x | streunuer: WOW ha ha ha what version? |
| 22:21.13 | streuner | sarge/stable |
| 22:21.15 | stew | soymilk: actually i don't think so |
| 22:21.19 | streuner | of course |
| 22:21.19 | moshii | soymilk: the initrd is built for the system it's going to be used on .. you should only have the modules you need to mount root ;) |
| 22:21.27 | peterS | soymilk: it holds whatever you want. it's commonly used to load modules before you can mount root. it can also be used to set up encrypted filesystems, or set up an LVM system (which the kernel can't do on its own) or RAID stripes |
| 22:21.27 | soymilk | stew: cd - will cd to last directory |
| 22:21.36 | stew | soymilk: but "ls -" doesn't work |
| 22:21.43 | xtheblack9x | streunuer: using the slow michine for a car computer to play my mp3s :) |
| 22:21.45 | stew | soymilk: "ls ~-" does however |
| 22:21.52 | soymilk | stew: interesting |
| 22:21.58 | apogee_XL | I have a problem :my debian [3.1] is on DVDs and I need to install to a system without DVD reader ....any ideas ??? |
| 22:22.08 | SimAtWrk | apogee_XL: get cds |
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| 22:22.21 | streuner | xtheblack9x: http://weda.mine.nu/phpsysinfo/ |
| 22:22.23 | bucky | !rube goldberg install |
| 22:22.24 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 22:22.40 | peterS | stew: ah, a bit shorter to type than $OLDPWD. still a bit fragile, I'd rather save a variable if I need it |
| 22:23.03 | apogee_XL | SimAtWrk:thats obvious....the machines are equiped with ethernet cards. |
| 22:23.05 | SimAtWrk | apogee_XL: another option is to pull the hard disk out, install debian on it from another pc and then put the hard disk back in. |
| 22:23.07 | soymilk | peterS: but you just said it holds modules. so if you are building a generic kernel for a large range of target machines, you still need a massive kernel with all the essential controller drivers in it. how does an initrd get around that? |
| 22:23.13 | moshii | apogee_XL: serve the dvd's over nfs or something |
| 22:23.15 | raden | please someone ? i really dont want to have to install XP again :( |
| 22:23.15 | stew | peterS: *nod* |
| 22:23.20 | abrotman | stew: http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/11/29/obit.berenstain.ap/index.html |
| 22:23.24 | raden | the boss aint too happy |
| 22:23.27 | stew | abrotman: yeah, just heard |
| 22:23.34 | SimAtWrk | raden: xp? |
| 22:23.38 | SimAtWrk | raden: what? what's the problem? |
| 22:23.42 | abrotman | stew: why don't you tell me these things! .. is it because you won't call me when you come to visit? |
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| 22:24.04 | apogee_XL | what about LAnet install ??? |
| 22:24.06 | peterS | soymilk: you build all those modules, then on any given target system you run mkinitrd which figures out which modules you actually need on that machine, and stuffs only those into the initrd |
| 22:24.09 | stew | abrotman: dec 17th? |
| 22:24.17 | peterS | soymilk: the idea is that mkinitrd is run at *install* time, not at *compile* time |
| 22:24.25 | abrotman | stew: you'll be in the area ? |
| 22:24.27 | stew | yeah |
| 22:24.37 | aminorex | how can i get a vmlinux for the stock kernels? e.g. vmlinux-2.6.8-2-smp. i am not asking about vmlinuz, but vmlinux. |
| 22:24.38 | soymilk | peterS: oh. i get it. |
| 22:24.53 | bucky | raden: what happened? |
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| 22:25.04 | poop | aminorex: gunzip vmlinuz |
| 22:25.13 | abrotman | stew: remind me as it gets closer |
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| 22:25.15 | apogee_XL | SimAtWrk:can I make a basic installation CD using files on DVD ??? |
| 22:25.19 | stew | abrotman: okie dokie |
| 22:25.25 | SimAtWrk | apogee_XL: probably. lots of work though. |
| 22:25.33 | SimAtWrk | apogee_XL: just pull the hd and install base debian on it |
| 22:25.35 | poop | no wait, vmlinuz is not vmlinux.gz (silly x86) |
| 22:25.38 | stew | abrotman: and actually i'll on the turnpike headed west a few days later |
| 22:25.39 | SimAtWrk | raden: what printer |
| 22:25.42 | SimAtWrk | raden: what printer driver |
| 22:25.45 | SimAtWrk | raden: what printing system. |
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| 22:25.48 | peterS | poop: heh, no it's not. they both use the gzip algorithm |
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| 22:25.51 | abrotman | stew: to ohio! |
| 22:25.59 | stew | abrotman: through ohio, to KY |
| 22:26.00 | abrotman | peterS: your productivity is falling |
| 22:26.03 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:26.04 | bucky | apogee_XL: what was the reason you didn't use the 100M netinstall iso again? |
| 22:26.14 | apogee_XL | SimAtWrk:I'll pull the CDrom and install a DVD tempor instead.... |
| 22:26.22 | SimAtWrk | apogee_XL: that works too |
| 22:26.26 | poop | I was in Ohio last week. |
| 22:26.34 | poop | Everyone was really fat. |
| 22:26.37 | abrotman | then you washed downstream ? |
| 22:26.42 | peterS | abrotman: good point, I'd better go eat, nap, and/or write a short paper. they all have to happen in the next 2 1/2 hours or so, except the eating and sleeping parts, which are kind of optional |
| 22:26.45 | bucky | apogee_XL: you can netinstall with 6 floppies |
| 22:26.56 | abrotman | peterS: no .. i meant because you keep addressing poop .. which is a curse word :) |
| 22:26.56 | apogee_XL | bucky:I was talking about Local Area Network install ,using a ethernet cable |
| 22:26.57 | bucky | 2 if you don't have exotic hardware |
| 22:27.00 | stew | i've never been there in the daytime, i seem to only passthrough in the middle of the night on the way to the inlaws |
| 22:27.04 | peterS | abrotman: productivity? |
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| 22:27.09 | abrotman | peterS: kingsley ? |
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| 22:27.17 | bucky | 2 floppies... how hard can that be |
| 22:27.30 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite peterS |
| 22:27.32 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer peterS: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.896254250818071! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 22:27.45 | peterS | abrotman: what does kingsley have to do with productivity? I thought his only relevance to the channel was providing endless trolling of mhall, who for a very long time couldn't figure out that he was completely wasting his time trying to provoke kingsley |
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| 22:27.54 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a tool to get stats of my network? I want stats of a certain interface and how much network traffic goes to a certain IP address. |
| 22:27.58 | abrotman | peterS: check that URL |
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| 22:28.08 | apogee_XL | thanks to u all.bye for now ! |
| 22:28.09 | poop | Led: ethereal? |
| 22:28.20 | Led_Zeppelin | poop: well, I want something light.... |
| 22:28.21 | peterS | abrotman: I c*ecked it once, I don't r*member anything about p*oductivity |
| 22:28.26 | soymilk | poop change your nick. please. |
| 22:28.30 | abrotman | i don't even know what a curse word is anymore |
| 22:28.30 | poop | tcpdump! |
| 22:28.35 | kingsley | abrotman: Hi |
| 22:28.39 | abrotman | kingsley: hey |
| 22:28.53 | soymilk | poop, do you know what the word poop means in english? |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | soymilk: he lives in the states .. of course he does |
| 22:29.17 | Guerin | soymilk: in fairness, your nick describes something not much more flavoursome than poop |
| 22:29.25 | peterS | Guerin++ |
| 22:29.27 | mjk64 | Is there a command line way to show upgradeable packages? |
| 22:29.28 | peterS | err, I mean |
| 22:29.31 | peterS | !Guerin++ |
| 22:29.37 | abrotman | mjk64: apt-get -u upgrade |
| 22:29.43 | mjk64 | abrotman: Ah, thx! |
| 22:29.55 | abrotman | mjk64: i think that's what you want |
| 22:30.13 | stew | i would imagine poop is ripe with flavour |
| 22:30.31 | streuner | peterS: thanks ;-) |
| 22:30.41 | soymilk | i found a nice way to deal with the name issue... |
| 22:30.46 | peterS | streuner: eh? |
| 22:30.52 | bucky | poop are you tapered on one end or both ends? |
| 22:31.04 | mjk64 | abrotman: The manpage look good regarding -u, thanks! |
| 22:31.08 | streuner | peterS: a little tribute to the stats of kingsley ;-) |
| 22:31.13 | poop | I'm a bit fragmented today |
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| 22:31.31 | peterS | s*reuner: ah, ok |
| 22:31.37 | poop | I hope to be a healthy banana shape tomorrow. |
| 22:31.38 | abrotman | mjk64: enjoy |
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| 22:31.41 | mjk64 | abrotman: =) |
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| 22:32.35 | streuner | peterS: we should correct some things, who is helpful and who not ... ;-) |
| 22:32.40 | whacked | hmm |
| 22:32.43 | whacked | Error loading '/home/jsz/XMMS-node-1.0.pl': |
| 22:32.43 | whacked | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.46 | peterS | ha. I won't even try to judge that. |
| 22:32.59 | abrotman | !tell whacked about search |
| 22:33.13 | whacked | what do I need to search for? |
| 22:33.17 | mjk64 | Aaaw! :-( |
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| 22:33.21 | peterS | whacked: "Xmms::Remote" |
| 22:33.23 | kingsley | whacked: I |
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| 22:33.35 | kingsley | I'd google for the error message. |
| 22:33.36 | peterS | (: |
| 22:33.42 | mjk64 | =) |
| 22:33.47 | soymilk | how much of a hit will there be if i compile smp support for 4 cpus and only have 2 ? |
| 22:33.53 | poop | === |
| 22:33.55 | Rawplayer | DO |
| 22:33.57 | whacked | nothing |
| 22:34.04 | peterS | whacked: or, 'apt-cache search xmms perl' |
| 22:34.09 | peterS | whacked: see if that gets you anywhere |
| 22:34.17 | brc_ | hey, anybody have a favorite simple to configure FTP server? |
| 22:34.20 | poop | soymilk: You can compile for 4 cpus? |
| 22:34.27 | peterS | vsftpd |
| 22:34.30 | soymilk | i see only 8KB per |
| 22:34.31 | brc_ | I don't need anything fancy |
| 22:34.32 | brc_ | k |
| 22:34.34 | wau | hi poop or stew, I solved the md5sum problem. would you like an explanation in case some other new Debian user needs help? |
| 22:34.37 | whacked | it's something about pipe I need |
| 22:34.43 | whacked | I remember from lastime |
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| 22:34.56 | poop | wau: I'm confident either of us could have found the answer. |
| 22:35.04 | bucky | wau: what did you install md5sum.exe ? |
| 22:35.06 | l3m | how can i find out what ports an application is using? |
| 22:35.10 | loopdee | anything like quickbooks for linuxes? |
| 22:35.12 | wau | yes |
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| 22:35.19 | wau | i'm sure |
| 22:35.24 | bucky | wau: are you still banned from google? |
| 22:35.34 | Guerin | !bucky++ |
| 22:35.40 | poop | loopdee: gnucash is kind of like quicken ... |
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| 22:35.41 | wau | man. tough crowd |
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| 22:36.04 | wau | forgive me for not have the expertise that you do |
| 22:36.08 | streuner | l3m: netstat -pant | grep <app> |
| 22:36.14 | wau | but isn't that kindof the point |
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| 22:36.21 | loopdee | poop: yea, im playing around with it, kinda of confusing :) but i never was good at keeping books in the first place |
| 22:36.34 | bucky | wau: i have a black belt in google fu |
| 22:36.40 | absence | hi. when using udev, there's no /dev/hd*. why is that, and how can i fix it? |
| 22:36.50 | kingsley | l3m: netstat |
| 22:36.52 | poop | sash? |
| 22:37.05 | l3m | thanks |
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| 22:37.20 | mjk64 | absence: link to compat.rules? |
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| 22:37.26 | xtheblack9x | i installed samba but can't seem to find it in the gnome menus |
| 22:37.29 | absence | mjk64, pardon? |
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| 22:37.54 | stew | absence: what version of udev? did you recently upgrade? |
| 22:38.08 | stew | absence: are you sure drivers for that controller are modprobed? |
| 22:38.13 | mjk64 | absence: Hm, wait, it's not in compat.rules ... The links in /dev are controlled by rules in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 22:38.15 | wau | thank you for your help |
| 22:38.16 | kingsley | l3m: netstat -p | grep <application> |
| 22:38.44 | zOap | whats ugly? |
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| 22:38.59 | absence | stew, i'm running a newly upgraded unstable. it worked earlier today, but i had to make a new initrd, and now it doesn't (it only finds /dev/sd* from which i boot) |
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| 22:39.07 | l3m | yeah, thanks again |
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| 22:39.22 | mjk64 | absence: If there is a link called udev.rules (or whatever) in /etc/udev/rules.d pointing to /etc/udev/udev.rules, everything should be fine udev-wise ... |
| 22:39.48 | absence | mjk64, there is |
| 22:39.51 | mjk64 | absence: Oh, you're using unstable? Why am I talking to you at all then? ;-) |
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| 22:39.59 | mjk64 | absence: Hmm ... |
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| 22:40.09 | stew | absence: is the ide driver loaded? could it be that this was the first boot since hotplug was removed? |
| 22:40.27 | zyriel | guys |
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| 22:40.38 | poop | woo, ff 1.5 prevents new windows! |
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| 22:40.47 | stew | absence: hotplug could have previously been loading the ide driver and now nobody is since hotplug and udev no conflict |
| 22:40.48 | zyriel | how about firefox 1.5 package for kde ? :) |
| 22:40.52 | zyriel | oops |
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| 22:40.55 | zyriel | for debian* |
| 22:40.57 | mjk64 | poop: it always did before, didn't it. |
| 22:40.58 | zyriel | of course :) |
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| 22:41.09 | poop | mjk64: 1.0.x doesn't |
| 22:41.31 | mjk64 | poop: I'm using 1.0, and it does. |
| 22:41.35 | absence | stew, it's not the first boot since hotplug was removed, but it might be a driver isn't loaded |
| 22:41.42 | poop | (I don't mean pop-ups, just evil target=new) |
| 22:41.55 | mjk64 | poop: Or wait ... what do you mean exactly by "prevent" and by "new windows" (caused by what?) |
| 22:41.55 | stew | zyriel: no official packages exist yet |
| 22:41.56 | absence | stew, what is it normally called? |
| 22:41.57 | ersdfeef | http://pastebin.com/442829 I tried apt-get upgrade on Debian etch and that happened |
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| 22:42.20 | mjk64 | poop: 1.0 delegates target=_new windows to tabs (if you set it that way) |
| 22:42.25 | bucky | xtheblack9x: xsmbrowser is a network neighborhood browser for samba and you can apt-get it |
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| 22:42.50 | stew | absence: if you have an intel chipset it piix, not sure about others, "modprobe -l | grep ide" |
| 22:42.53 | poop | mjk64: Where do you find that in the prefs? |
| 22:42.54 | bassMonkey | I get this while booting: "KDSKBENT: Invalid Argument", "Failed to bind key 256 to 2368". Is it something I need to worry about? |
| 22:43.01 | zyriel | ok. thank you |
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| 22:43.39 | Technel | I ran this query: "INSERT INTO shoutbox (ip, date, name, comment) VALUES ('127.0.0.1', 1133304176, 'Hmm', 'I wonder how the script will work with slash\'es? How about some\' more ?? \'\' \' \'\'a \'sf \"')", but when I select the data, there are no slashes! What is going on?? |
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| 22:43.55 | mjk64 | poop: about:config, then set browser.tabs.showSingleWindowModePrefs to "true", then in "Tabbed Browsing", you can set "Force links that open new windows to open in: a new tab" |
| 22:44.02 | bucky | ersdfeef: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.5-8.1_amd64.deb and try again... you may have gotten a partial download |
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| 22:44.16 | absence | stew, piix is loaded, and grep ide gives ide_core |
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| 22:44.44 | poop | mjk64: ahh, but that's not exactly convenient |
| 22:44.45 | stew | absence: you might try /msg dpkg fresh udev config ; and restart udev |
| 22:45.07 | stew | absence: (assuming lspci shows that your ide chipset is intel) |
| 22:45.10 | mjk64 | poop: You only need to set that once. And you can also do so through your user.js. |
| 22:45.37 | mjk64 | poop: Of course, there should actually be user interfaces for *all* FF settings, I agree. :-) |
| 22:46.40 | ersdfeef | bucky, that didn't work. |
| 22:46.55 | poop | Feels a bit faster too |
| 22:47.08 | bucky | ersdfeef: have you asked in #debian-amd64 ? |
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| 22:48.03 | npx | !marillat |
| 22:48.03 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 22:48.15 | fevel | I have a sid system, how do I install a certain package from Etch?? |
| 22:48.23 | ersdfeef | bucky, no, I'll go do that. |
| 22:48.50 | fevel | can I just switch unstable to testing and update? |
| 22:48.53 | bucky | ersdfeef: and check the /topic while you |
| 22:49.04 | stew | fevel: add a source for etch and apt-get -t testing install pacakge ; or apt-get install package=version |
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| 22:49.14 | bucky | ersdfeef: and check the /topic while you're in there it might be a common problem |
| 22:49.20 | absence | stew, that didn't work :/ |
| 22:49.24 | de_mon | ??stable |
| 22:49.44 | de_mon | hrmph |
| 22:49.53 | fevel | stew: wont that break my system when I "apt-get upgrade"?? |
| 22:50.14 | stew | fevel: if you already run unstable, it won't |
| 22:50.17 | Silent_al | dpkg,tell bucky who is he |
| 22:50.20 | stew | absence: i'm running out of ideas |
| 22:50.32 | Yog | hi ... I'm remotely updating a sarge install from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 with SATA. Goes everything well when I write a new lilo mbr and change the fstab-entries from hda=>sda ?! |
| 22:51.01 | stew | fevel: you may wanna read the apt_preferences and apt.conf manpages however |
| 22:51.06 | fevel | cause apt installs the newest packages right? |
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| 22:51.18 | stew | fevel: unless you tell it differently, yes |
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| 22:51.38 | fevel | ok thanks |
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| 22:51.50 | Technel | I ran this query: "INSERT INTO shoutbox (ip, date, name, comment) VALUES ('127.0.0.1', 1133304176, 'Hmm', 'I wonder how the script will work with slash\'es? How about some\' more ?? \'\' \' \'\'a \'sf \"')", but when I select the data, there are no slashes! What is going on?? |
| 22:51.54 | SimAtWrk | yog, you can tell lilo to test the parameters on next boot and revert to previous settings. you might want to use that just in case |
| 22:52.02 | stew | fevel: "apt-cache policy pacakge " will list available packages and their priorities btw, you would use "pinning" to change the priorities of individiual pacakges, and "/msg dpkg hold" if you don't want that package updated automatically |
| 22:52.17 | SimAtWrk | Technel: you need to escape the \'s if you want mysql to see them |
| 22:52.20 | Yog | SimAtWrk: I know that ... but that does not work when I have to change the fstab ! |
| 22:52.21 | SimAtWrk | Technel: so \\ |
| 22:52.52 | Technel | SimAtWrk, Are you sure? I don't actually want to see them, it is just that I remember doing stripslashes() to get rid of them... |
| 22:52.55 | SimAtWrk | Yog: if you don't have diff partitions for /usr /var etc you can get away with not changing fstab right away. |
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| 22:53.26 | SimAtWrk | Technel: without the \'s that won't work btw |
| 22:53.27 | Yog | SimAtWrk: Just an idea ... can I put two entries into the fstab, one for hda, one for sda ... one of them will work |
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| 22:53.52 | hardybm | vadyn: Its me again. I have working my NICs in the rigth order, I did via /etc/network/interfaces using the feature "map" based on MAC |
| 22:54.02 | Yog | SimAtWrk: var is on another partition ... if I loose this the system won't come up for remote access |
| 22:54.19 | Technel | SimAtWrk, Yeah, I realize that -- the would think I am done with the entry into the column when it is, in fact, just a slash in the query |
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| 22:54.33 | Technel | SimAtWrk, Alright, well, thanks :) I don't remember that, but it has been a while! |
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| 22:55.01 | SimAtWrk | Yog :( |
| 22:55.10 | SimAtWrk | Yog: i am crossing my fingers for you... it should work but it's a scarey process. |
| 22:55.21 | MrBallZ | question: what does" X includes " stand for ??? |
| 22:55.30 | npx | http://www.enigmadesign.org/images/zomg.jpg |
| 22:55.35 | bucky | Silent_al ovay ! |
| 22:55.51 | SimAtWrk | Technel: are you using php? |
| 22:55.57 | stew | MrBallZ: c language header files "ending in .h" that are used to compile programs against x |
| 22:55.58 | Yog | SimAWork: I know ... 30 minutes to drive if it fail ... and angry customers of course |
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| 22:56.17 | SimAtWrk | Yog: you know. I would drive the 30 and then reboot. |
| 22:56.23 | randomity | MrBallZ: The X probably means the X WIndow System |
| 22:56.26 | MrBallZ | stew: and that package woud be ... |
| 22:56.45 | MrBallZ | randomity: I need to compile kzenexplorer, but im currently using xorg ... wich headers should i need? |
| 22:56.45 | stew | MrBallZ: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 22:57.04 | stew | MrBallZ: xlibs-dev |
| 22:57.09 | stew | (i think) |
| 22:57.14 | cusco | help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:57.17 | cusco | cusco@Portatil:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep M |
| 22:57.19 | cusco | cpu MHz : 102.902 |
| 22:57.22 | cusco | I have a celeron at 2.6GHz |
| 22:57.27 | cusco | why is it working at 102MHz |
| 22:57.30 | randomity | MrBallZ: possible xorg-x11-devel or something |
| 22:57.30 | Technel | SimAtWrk, yeah |
| 22:57.44 | Technel | SimAtWrk, And, yes, I am using mysql_real_escape_string() |
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| 22:58.02 | SimAtWrk | Technel: i think i'm confused on what your problem is |
| 22:58.11 | cusco | ? |
| 22:58.18 | hardybm | To have my sound card I'm loading the ALSA sound module from /etc/modules. There is a different way to do this ? |
| 22:58.50 | Technel | SimAtWrk, I just got confused, there wasn't really a problem |
| 22:59.06 | mjk64 | cusco: Although I cannot help directly: Is that a notebook? Or a desktop with a CPU capable of PowerNow or similar speed stepping techniques? |
| 22:59.33 | MrBallZ | stew: im trying to compile kzenexplorer .6 |
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| 23:00.12 | SimAtWrk | 102 hours to download the amd64 dvd |
| 23:00.21 | cusco | mjk64: its a notebook and I know that is can bring the cpu usage down.. how can I put it up? |
| 23:00.33 | cusco | 2 secs ago I was using firefox with the flash plugin |
| 23:00.49 | cusco | and it was very very slow whereas before I saw the same flash faster |
| 23:00.54 | cusco | and was using all the cpu |
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| 23:01.25 | bucky | throttling? |
| 23:01.27 | SimAtWrk | any of you guys use internet over a two way satellite dish? |
| 23:01.35 | raden | why is printing such a pain ? |
| 23:01.43 | mjk64 | cusco: Should be controllable via sysfs |
| 23:01.43 | SimAtWrk | raden: it's not |
| 23:01.47 | SimAtWrk | raden: you never answered my questions |
| 23:01.50 | SimAtWrk | raden: shall we start over? |
| 23:01.54 | raden | yes sir |
| 23:01.55 | stew | MrBallZ: you could try backporting the pacakge from ubuntu |
| 23:02.07 | raden | SimAtWrk, wherre do we start |
| 23:02.12 | SimAtWrk | raden: what printer are you using. what print system (cups/lpr), what print driver. |
| 23:02.19 | mjk64 | cusco: Somewhere in /sys/power, probably |
| 23:02.25 | npx | http://www.digyourowngrave.com/tortoise-adopts-baby-hippo/ |
| 23:02.29 | MrBallZ | stew: mmm, ill give it a shot compiling it ... if not ill see that option, thanks =) |
| 23:02.30 | raden | HP 4215 ALl in one USB |
| 23:02.32 | bucky | SimAtWrk: no but i heard it sucks for udp because of the satellite packet protocol |
| 23:02.46 | raden | i believe im using lpr |
| 23:02.46 | bucky | so gaming isn't too good |
| 23:02.56 | SimAtWrk | bucky: yes, it's not great for gaming. this is for an office though. |
| 23:03.00 | raden | SimAtWrk, LPD printing |
| 23:03.01 | bucky | ok |
| 23:03.07 | stew | MrBallZ: in any case you could look at the build-depends for the ubuntu package which would tell you exactly what needs to be installed in order to compile it |
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| 23:03.12 | SimAtWrk | raden: that's your first problem. switch to cups. but what printer. |
| 23:03.21 | SimAtWrk | raden: you should answer all three questions! |
| 23:03.36 | raden | SimAtWrk, raden HP 4215 ALl in one USB |
| 23:04.03 | raden | checking driver info right now |
| 23:04.03 | SimAtWrk | all in ones suck, but oh well |
| 23:04.03 | SimAtWrk | cups will have a native driver for that printer i think |
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| 23:04.03 | SimAtWrk | lpd does too |
| 23:04.03 | raden | will a hp 1000D work better |
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| 23:04.06 | raden | i just need to print nothing else |
| 23:04.12 | npx | I got a brother MFC420CN |
| 23:04.16 | SimAtWrk | raden: does the printer support post script? |
| 23:04.17 | bucky | raden: is that a laserjet? |
| 23:04.20 | SimAtWrk | npx: you poor sap |
| 23:04.21 | mjk64 | cusco: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpun/cpufreq/ |
| 23:04.22 | raden | im only using LPD cause cups kept dieing |
| 23:04.30 | SimAtWrk | cups doesn't usually die |
| 23:04.31 | npx | SimAtWrk, why? it works perfectly under windows |
| 23:04.34 | npx | err linux |
| 23:04.34 | SimAtWrk | you must be doing something weird. |
| 23:04.38 | raden | bucky, no its the 4 catridge business printer from hp |
| 23:04.40 | npx | and windows, too |
| 23:04.44 | SimAtWrk | npx: i've never seena brother printer work properly :) |
| 23:04.44 | raden | refurb at newegg for $85 |
| 23:04.52 | raden | SimAtWrk, i dont believe soo |
| 23:04.53 | SimAtWrk | npx: but i did notice that brother has excellent linux support. |
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| 23:05.13 | SimAtWrk | raden: can you print a test page? does it also have a 6" margin at the top? |
| 23:05.14 | npx | I don't do a lot of printing, maybe 10 pages a week |
| 23:05.25 | npx | but it hasn't given me any trouble |
| 23:05.32 | bucky | raden i would suggest installing cups, foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-db-engine and djtools |
| 23:05.33 | cusco | mjk64: there is some saling_things in there |
| 23:05.42 | cusco | what shall I do with them? |
| 23:05.48 | SimAtWrk | npx, i'm probably just sour becaus ei used to have to support brother printers in 1995 or so, and they where so terrible |
| 23:05.53 | raden | SimAtWrk, i ant get cups to work period |
| 23:06.01 | SimAtWrk | raden: why not? it's dead simple. |
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| 23:06.06 | SimAtWrk | raden: and see what bucky said |
| 23:06.07 | raden | LPD i have 3" of blank page printing everything except the test page prints normal |
| 23:06.16 | npx | SimAtWrk, mine was on sale for $60, can't beat that for print/scan/fax and linux support for all 3 |
| 23:06.17 | bucky | raden: is it usb ? |
| 23:06.21 | raden | SimAtWrk, simple with any other printer |
| 23:06.24 | raden | bucky, yes |
| 23:06.40 | SimAtWrk | npx, it works as a scanner and fax in linux? wow. that is a good deal. |
| 23:06.42 | cusco | mjk64: I nothiced that I have a toshset (I have a toshiba) application.. gonna check that out |
| 23:06.46 | bucky | raden is your usb bus set up with the right drivers in the kernel? |
| 23:06.50 | SimAtWrk | raden: i use hp printers all the time. |
| 23:07.06 | stovenator | can anybody help me with a debian system that is running extremely slow? |
| 23:07.22 | bucky | raden: http://localhost:631 for the setup after all that |
| 23:07.24 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: run top |
| 23:07.35 | stovenator | according to top, the cpu load is around 1-2% |
| 23:07.40 | bucky | raden http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/287 if you have anymore problems |
| 23:07.46 | stovenator | there is plenty of free memory |
| 23:07.58 | stovenator | it doesn't look like any swap is being used |
| 23:08.04 | SimAtWrk | raden: and use the hp laserjet 4000 driver, i can't see a 4215 here |
| 23:08.04 | mjk64 | cusco: http://phpfi.com/89465 |
| 23:08.31 | stovenator | I've looked at atop, and there's nothing that appears out of the ordinary |
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| 23:08.49 | stovenator | I'm not running X of any sort |
| 23:08.52 | SimAtWrk | what is your cpu usage at? |
| 23:08.56 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: what kind of things are slow? |
| 23:09.06 | stovenator | certain commands |
| 23:09.07 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: perhaps you need to get hdparm |
| 23:09.12 | SimAtWrk | ok, what certain commands |
| 23:09.20 | stovenator | sudo bash takes about 30 seconds |
| 23:09.27 | SimAtWrk | oh |
| 23:09.31 | SimAtWrk | hrm |
| 23:09.40 | SimAtWrk | check /etc/resolv.conf also, see if it has the right dns servers in there |
| 23:09.59 | stovenator | starting mysql causes problems ... when I tail the syslog, certain checks fail before it starts correctly |
| 23:10.03 | raden | SimAtWrk, there is a 4200 series driver dont work |
| 23:10.14 | SimAtWrk | just use 4000 |
| 23:10.27 | stovenator | nameservers are correct |
| 23:10.28 | ecliptik | I downloaded some source packages (with orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, .changes, and .dsc) and I'd like to modify the code the create a deb package, do I go about creating the debian dir in the source dir so I can use debhelpers? |
| 23:10.47 | SimAtWrk | usually all hp printers of a certain series will work with their base version. (ie, hp4000 for all hp4xxx, hp4 for hp4 plus, hp4p, etc. |
| 23:10.49 | stovenator | dig and nslookup both run quickly, and correctly |
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| 23:11.05 | raden | SimAtWrk, gotcha |
| 23:11.05 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: ok, then check hdparm see if you have dma enabled |
| 23:11.16 | stovenator | I'm pretty sure DMA is enabled |
| 23:11.17 | raden | SimAtWrk, thanks |
| 23:11.18 | stovenator | lemme check |
| 23:11.21 | SimAtWrk | raden: you should find out if it supports postscript though. |
| 23:11.24 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; install fakeroot, build-essential, and the build depends, make your changes, and fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 23:11.28 | SimAtWrk | raden: postscript will make your life that much easier. |
| 23:11.32 | stovenator | it's a scsi disk |
| 23:11.36 | SimAtWrk | raden: are you printing directly to the printer or to a network server? |
| 23:11.41 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: oh, hrm. |
| 23:11.45 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: anything in dmesg? |
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| 23:11.54 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, thank you! I know it was something like that, I need to write these things down |
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| 23:12.09 | stovenator | oops.. .don't hit ctrl-w ... |
| 23:12.31 | SimAtWrk | i never used atop before |
| 23:12.36 | SimAtWrk | just tried it now |
| 23:12.41 | SimAtWrk | it's rather confusing to me. |
| 23:12.48 | stovenator | it is a little confusing |
| 23:12.53 | SimAtWrk | it says my processor is 188% idle? |
| 23:12.56 | SimAtWrk | and 93% idle |
| 23:12.58 | SimAtWrk | and 95% idle |
| 23:12.59 | SimAtWrk | what... |
| 23:13.14 | stovenator | nothing in dmesg that looks alarming |
| 23:13.29 | soymilk | !tell SimAtWrk about enter |
| 23:13.39 | stovenator | nothing that's been written since bootup |
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| 23:13.48 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: ok, try this. run top and then run your sudo command and see what uses all the cpu (if anything) |
| 23:14.13 | stovenator | cpu stays at 0.7% |
| 23:14.19 | stovenator | top is using the most CPU |
| 23:14.35 | stovenator | when I sort by memory, it shows mysqld ... |
| 23:14.41 | stovenator | but only at 3.3% of memory |
| 23:14.48 | stovenator | the machine has 2 GB of RAM |
| 23:14.57 | wliu | hi, is anyone here good at shell scripting that can help me out with a quick question? |
| 23:15.05 | dondelelcaro | wliu: just ask. |
| 23:15.08 | SimAtWrk | wliu: no dude. we suck. |
| 23:15.09 | bucky | what a memory hog mysql is! |
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| 23:15.35 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: ok, that sholdn't be slow. |
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| 23:15.43 | mjk64 | stovenator: Thanks for mentioning atop, I was always looking for a curses/full-screen top! |
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| 23:15.52 | bucky | what's 3.3% of 2G ? |
| 23:15.53 | stovenator | I know it shouldn't be slow |
| 23:16.03 | wliu_ | if i have: |
| 23:16.08 | wliu_ | bar='foo' |
| 23:16.13 | stovenator | bucky - 66MB? |
| 23:16.13 | wliu_ | foo='zap' |
| 23:16.20 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: i am at a loss as to what is making it slow. |
| 23:16.23 | bucky | that ain't bad |
| 23:16.26 | stovenator | yeah, me too |
| 23:16.26 | wliu_ | how do i get ${$bar} or something like that to get zap? |
| 23:16.33 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: can you make a knoppix live cd and test it on that box? |
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| 23:16.59 | stovenator | eek... I have one, but I don't want to take the box down if I don't have to |
| 23:17.05 | stovenator | you thinking hardware? |
| 23:17.15 | bucky | stovenator: which kernel you running? |
| 23:17.23 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: i'm not sure at all. it just seems weird. |
| 23:17.28 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: especially 30 seconds. |
| 23:17.30 | wliu_ | i.e. how do i expand the $bar variable to get, in essence, the value of ${foo} |
| 23:17.33 | wliu_ | ? |
| 23:17.42 | stovenator | 2.4.27-686 SMP |
| 23:17.49 | stovenator | it is a dual proc machine |
| 23:18.04 | SimAtWrk | 2.4.27 doesn't have the premptable kernel |
| 23:18.11 | SimAtWrk | so taht could cause some slow downs somet imes. but not 30 seconds |
| 23:18.12 | SimAtWrk | not even close |
| 23:18.42 | bucky | stovenator: what kind of cpu's? |
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| 23:19.07 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: did the problem just start happening all of a sudden? |
| 23:19.13 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: what kinda scsi controler do you have? |
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| 23:19.19 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: the hard disk isn't full or nearly full is it? |
| 23:19.52 | stew | wliu: bar=${foo} |
| 23:20.02 | stew | wliu: what do you mean by expand? |
| 23:20.06 | stovenator | not full |
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| 23:20.11 | mjk64 | wliu: ${!foo} |
| 23:20.18 | bucky | stovenator: you're not running 2.4.27-686 SMP on dual Athon MP's are you |
| 23:20.24 | mjk64 | wliu: ${!bar}, even :-) |
| 23:20.29 | stovenator | the problem started happening over the last week or so |
| 23:20.32 | SimAtWrk | bucky: what would that do? |
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| 23:20.48 | bucky | make the Athlons barf and choke |
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| 23:20.58 | stovenator | ther's over 100GB of free space |
| 23:21.14 | stovenator | unfortunately the system is partionined using one big partition |
| 23:21.35 | bucky | SimAtWrk: that's why there's a 2.4.27-k7 SMP |
| 23:21.52 | stovenator | k7 is AMD, right? |
| 23:21.54 | SimAtWrk | bucky: makes sense. i thought i686 would work for everything though. |
| 23:22.10 | SimAtWrk | i usually just compile my own kernel so i'm not up on the kernel variations. |
| 23:22.20 | bucky | nope |
| 23:22.48 | bucky | stovenator: you're not running 2.4.27-686 SMP on dual Athon MP's are you |
| 23:22.53 | stovenator | nope |
| 23:23.08 | bucky | ok |
| 23:23.09 | stovenator | it's pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 23:23.16 | stovenator | is THAT a problem? |
| 23:23.17 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: i'm running out of ideas :( |
| 23:23.38 | SimAtWrk | stovenator: have you checked the logs? |
| 23:23.51 | stovenator | there's nothing I can find in the logs that looks wrong |
| 23:23.58 | stovenator | syslog is fairly standard activity |
| 23:23.58 | bucky | sorry i missed the first part of this... what takes 30 seconds? |
| 23:24.14 | stovenator | "sudo bash" for one thing will take a while |
| 23:24.24 | stovenator | other things take forever, like starting sendmail |
| 23:24.27 | stovenator | or starting mysql |
| 23:24.54 | stovenator | other things run normal |
| 23:24.58 | bucky | stovenator: which version of debian is this? |
| 23:25.02 | stovenator | apache will restart almost immediately |
| 23:25.07 | stovenator | it's running debian testing |
| 23:25.12 | bucky | hmm... |
| 23:25.21 | ac3 | How can i find out why apt-get-upgrade holds certain packages back? |
| 23:25.36 | stovenator | although, it hasn't had any packages updated in some time |
| 23:25.39 | bucky | stovenator: did you apt-get update today.. there might be a fix |
| 23:25.49 | mjk64 | ac3: /msg dpkg hold |
| 23:25.49 | stovenator | haven't |
| 23:25.50 | bucky | i got a new login and passwd today |
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| 23:26.01 | bucky | those things can be slow on ssh |
| 23:26.05 | bucky | or sudo |
| 23:26.17 | stovenator | it has been working fine for quite some time though |
| 23:26.33 | stovenator | it only started acting up in the last day or so |
| 23:26.34 | bucky | try apt-get upgrade |
| 23:26.35 | stew | ac3: /msg dpkg held back |
| 23:27.01 | bucky | update and upgrade and see if your logs are getting too big |
| 23:27.01 | Knorrie | can postgresql-8.0 [8.0.3-7] work together with libpq4 (8.1.0-2) ? |
| 23:27.23 | Knorrie | I mean postgresql-contrib-8.0 (8.0.3-15) |
| 23:27.29 | ac3 | stew: dpkg --get-selections says the status of the package is install |
| 23:27.52 | stew | ac3: did you read /msg dpkg held back? |
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| 23:28.05 | stovenator | alright, I'll try the upgrade |
| 23:28.21 | mjk64 | Is there a way to tell X11 to *not* take that Moiré inducing default background pattern as default, but instead fill it with a solid color (like xsetcolor -solid steelblue) by *default*? |
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| 23:28.57 | stew | mjk64: put that in .xsession |
| 23:29.00 | p30n | hello |
| 23:29.03 | amphi | !stipple mjk64 |
| 23:29.21 | stew | mjk64: if you really mean default, like not a per-user basis /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 23:29.36 | ac3 | thx stew:) |
| 23:29.39 | p30n | question: how can i make a user have acces to /dev/hda now when i have the user running the eggdrop and that executes hddtemp /dev/hda i get access denied |
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| 23:29.45 | p30n | and i dont want to run eggdrop as root :p |
| 23:29.47 | p30n | and cant |
| 23:30.06 | p30n | sry for bad punctuation |
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| 23:30.09 | bbrazil | p30n: sudo |
| 23:30.12 | mjk64 | stew: No, I mean: X11 should *never*, not even for a *microsecond* load that pattern, because I *never* want to see it - it's a waste of time displaying it, because I will *always* overwrite it. |
| 23:30.37 | mjk64 | stew: But apart from that, Xsession.d is a good hint for other uses, thanks! :-) |
| 23:30.50 | borius | mad_ogre: are you the same Mad Ogre who has a blog on gun rights? |
| 23:30.55 | SimAtWrk | i dont' care for that battern either. |
| 23:30.57 | mjk64 | amphi: dpkg knows nothing about stipple :-( |
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| 23:31.12 | SimAtWrk | pattern even |
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| 23:31.31 | dondelelcaro | mjk64: it's what X servers have displayed as a background since the beginning of time. If you don't like it, change the code. |
| 23:32.00 | p30n | bbrazil: can i do it some other way? i would just want the user to have more rights, so i wont run into these problems |
| 23:32.00 | mjk64 | dondelelcaro: I know the historic prevalence, but thought there was an option to change the default =) |
| 23:32.10 | amphi | mjk64: sadly |
| 23:32.15 | dondelelcaro | mjk64: -br will turn it solid black; but that's it. |
| 23:32.17 | p30n | would have to alter tcl file to get sudo to work |
| 23:32.27 | SimAtWrk | dondelelcaro: solid black is way better |
| 23:32.31 | mjk64 | dondelelcaro: Ahaaaa! That sounds interesting! |
| 23:32.32 | SimAtWrk | dondelelcaro: sweet |
| 23:32.45 | dondelelcaro | mjk64: since you rarely see it anyway, unless your machine is really slow, no one has ever bothered to change it. |
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| 23:32.55 | bbrazil | p30n: sudo is the way to go - do you really want an eggdrop bot having read on all of your harddrive? |
| 23:33.07 | mjk64 | dondelelcaro: Anyway, solid black gets drawn faster than that stipple pattern, I presume. :-) |
| 23:33.08 | p30n | bbrazil: yea thats what i want |
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| 23:33.18 | SimAtWrk | anyone know why you can't change mouse cursors without logging out and back in (in kde, maybe gnome?) |
| 23:33.18 | dondelelcaro | mjk64: not unless your videocard sucks, no. |
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| 23:33.20 | mjk64 | dondelelcaro: I haste wasted code, really. Will try -br. |
| 23:33.31 | bbrazil | p30n: do you understand the security implications of that? |
| 23:33.40 | blanky | how do you install ati drivers on debian |
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| 23:33.44 | p30n | bbrazil: yes i do |
| 23:33.46 | stovenator | apt-get upgrading 137 packages... |
| 23:33.47 | blanky | apt-get install xorg-fglrx-driver / |
| 23:33.48 | rata | hi |
| 23:33.50 | blanky | ? |
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| 23:34.21 | bbrazil | p30n: in that case I'd strcae hddtemp and see where its getting an EACCESS |
| 23:34.23 | pozdiy | cannot configure X with gateway2000 crystalscan 17" crt monitor, where to look for X log? |
| 23:34.26 | stew | blanky: which card? do you need 3d accelleration? you get ati drivers when you install an xserver |
| 23:34.34 | p30n | bbrazil: and after that ? |
| 23:34.44 | blanky | ati 9800pro 128mb, yes I need 3d acceleration |
| 23:34.45 | bbrazil | p30n: change whatever permissions |
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| 23:34.49 | blanky | and I did choose ati as the xserver driver |
| 23:34.51 | stew | blanky: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 23:35.00 | p30n | bbrazil: how do i do that then ? |
| 23:35.14 | bbrazil | p30n: you don't know how to chmod? |
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| 23:35.34 | p30n | bbrazil: yea i do, so i can just chmod /dev/hda ? |
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| 23:35.57 | bbrazil | p30n: yes, I haven't a clue if it'll do what you want though |
| 23:36.04 | stew | nergert420 |
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| 23:36.16 | sts | hello folks |
| 23:36.17 | bbrazil | p30n: you might also be interested in the disc/disk group |
| 23:36.18 | p30n | bbrazil: what about the EACCESS ? whats that do |
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| 23:36.33 | bbrazil | p30n: thats the error code returned for a permissions problem |
| 23:36.44 | rata | i installed lmsensors, and run 'sensors-detect' and it tries to load sis5595(and 2 modules more, that it could load with any problems). Bue when i try to load sis5595, it says that it does not exist, and when i run sensors it doesn show my cpu temp. What can i do for seeing it ? |
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| 23:37.06 | blanky | when I was configuring xserver I think I put autodetect my monitor and now I cant make resolution higher than 800x600 heh |
| 23:37.07 | StijnT | does anyone know why the following command isn't working under debian sid? ip6tables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:37.12 | sts | does anybody know what /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build usually contains? |
| 23:37.16 | StijnT | it gives me this response: ip6tables: Invalid argument |
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| 23:38.03 | jedd | hi. i'm using xorg (6.8.2) debian package .. and sometime in the last two weeks it got upgraded, and now i have 99% cpu utilisation. thought i'd give it a week or two for a package update, but haven't seen one yet. even though x runs with high priority, it seems to surrender cpu to anything else that wants to run, so it's not too big an impact, but .. the question is, how do you check out what *bit* of xorg is using up cpu? |
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| 23:38.36 | blanky | how can I add myself to the sudoers file |
| 23:38.43 | stovenator | visudo |
| 23:38.44 | bbrazil | blanky: visudo |
| 23:38.47 | blanky | thanks |
| 23:38.48 | sts | blanky: visudo |
| 23:38.57 | blanky | visudo command not found |
| 23:38.58 | blanky | :( |
| 23:38.58 | sts | .oO(lag?) |
| 23:39.03 | numist | . o O ( nah ) |
| 23:39.03 | bbrazil | blanky: as root |
| 23:39.12 | dondelelcaro | jedd: strace it for starters. |
| 23:39.29 | stovenator | blanky: su - |
| 23:39.36 | cheal | jedd: which X driver do you use? this looks more like a #xorg question |
| 23:39.36 | blanky | thanks it works now |
| 23:39.42 | blanky | but now what, where do i add my name, anywehre? |
| 23:39.47 | SimAtWrk | dondelelcaro: what is strace ?? |
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| 23:39.59 | jedd | dondelelcaro: ergh. so stop kdm, run startx .. with strace? that won't work, will it. i'd need to start the X server direct. i was hoping to avoid that level of ugliness. |
| 23:40.07 | stovenator | blanky: yourusername ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 23:40.21 | cheal | !xorg |
| 23:40.22 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 23:40.43 | cheal | dpkg: xorg is also #xorg |
| 23:40.44 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 23:40.44 | jedd | cheal: nvidia - but i haven't upgraded that for some months (binary thing from nvidia's site). i was hoping that it was going to be something that the latest deb package would fix .. and you're right, it's an xorg question, but debian people are smarter than that lot. ;) |
| 23:40.47 | blanky | stovenator, anywhere? |
| 23:40.51 | stovenator | blanky: or alternatively you can use : yourusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 23:41.03 | stovenator | on a new line, but yes anywhere |
| 23:41.17 | stovenator | using NOPASSWD: will cause it to not ask you for a passwd |
| 23:41.20 | cheal | jedd: unlikely. can you reproduce using a free driver? |
| 23:41.24 | borius | mad_ogre: we had some correspondence a while back, you were gonna write for my libertarianism/hacking/tech/gun rights/paranoia/survival web zine, right? http://eurohacker.mine.nu |
| 23:41.33 | blanky | okay thanks, wow installing ati drivers takes forever... |
| 23:41.33 | borius | mad_ogre: well, get back to me if you still feel like it |
| 23:41.36 | borius | mad_ogre: see ya |
| 23:41.39 | blanky | if only they just had a package for it |
| 23:41.40 | blanky | heh |
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| 23:42.34 | jedd | cheal: i haven't tried that yet .. it's on my todo list. as ever, i'm looking for the easy (read lazy) way out. i also have a tablet input device that i could strip out of the config file .. but it's just so rare in unstable to have an unpleasantness that lasts more than a fortnight. |
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| 23:42.55 | drolyk | hi all |
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| 23:44.21 | drolyk | Hi does any one here use apt-proxy ? I`ve got a question about it :) |
| 23:44.37 | Guerin | drolyk: /msg dpke ask |
| 23:44.39 | Guerin | dpkg |
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| 23:45.39 | brc_ | alright, |
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| 23:45.42 | hyu | Hi |
| 23:45.56 | hyu | ireth:~# /etc/init.d/saslauthd start |
| 23:45.57 | hyu | ireth:~# |
| 23:46.00 | hyu | it's a bug? |
| 23:46.06 | hyu | this script does not start |
| 23:46.32 | hyu | ups |
| 23:46.34 | hyu | sorry |
| 23:46.42 | hyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.42 | hyu | kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: Undefined symbol "OpenSSL_add_all_algorithms" |
| 23:46.46 | hyu | what's wrong? |
| 23:46.52 | cheal | jedd: going to #xorg is more lazy. Debian is hard! |
| 23:47.03 | Guerin | cheal: heh |
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| 23:47.36 | jedd | cheal: i'm looking for an optimally lazy solution :) (we need something like that sun dstrace tool .. i'm sure there's people working on a port Right Now) |
| 23:48.02 | mattt | Hi, I have a system which say the date is "Wed Nov 30 04:46:50 EST 2005", 6 hours slow, if II use ntpdate to correct it, it revert back after a while. |
| 23:48.05 | mattt | any ideas ? |
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| 23:48.14 | blanky | what's the fastest way to install ati drivers |
| 23:48.18 | Ronin | wrong time zone mattt? |
| 23:48.20 | imex | really need to understand "fakeroot" ??? |
| 23:48.30 | blanky | what's the command to reconfigure debian again, debian-config? |
| 23:48.53 | Ronin | never mind,just re-read that ntpdate corrects it |
| 23:49.12 | mattt | UTC=no |
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| 23:49.50 | wang | hello |
| 23:49.52 | blanky | how do i run debian config again |
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| 23:50.47 | Guerin | blanky: debian doesn't have config |
| 23:51.19 | rata | blanky, dpkg-reconfigure -a ? |
| 23:51.19 | stew | blanky: which config do you mean? |
| 23:51.29 | blanky | yeah, in the end of installation it said 'just run debian config command to reconfigure if you want to' |
| 23:51.30 | soymilk | this is really odd. i created a .deb for a custom kernel module. dpkg -c lists the module relative to the correct custom directory. when i install the .deb in a chroot, it tries to install it in a directory related to the running kernel name and fails |
| 23:51.45 | stew | blanky: base-config |
| 23:51.50 | blanky | thanks |
| 23:51.51 | rata | blanky, base-config ? |
| 23:52.21 | Guerin | stew: try installing it with dpkg's --root and similar options |
| 23:52.24 | Guerin | soymilk: ^ |
| 23:52.28 | blanky | man I thought it'd have the xserver driver choosing and monitor settings stuff |
| 23:52.30 | imex | forgot how to change default web brower with update-alternatives -- ?????? |
| 23:52.32 | Guerin | soymilk: man dpkg for explication |
| 23:52.43 | blanky | anyone know the fastest way to install ati drivers |
| 23:52.44 | rata | imex, yes |
| 23:52.46 | Guerin | imex: man update-alternatives |
| 23:52.47 | imex | nvm fouynd it |
| 23:52.47 | mattt | what would cause time to be changed ? |
| 23:52.53 | soymilk | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:52.55 | imex | thanks |
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| 23:53.24 | mattt | Wed Nov 30 04:46:50 EST 2005 is not even GMT is it ? |
| 23:53.29 | ryan` | is there a command to create a socket? |
| 23:53.32 | fah | blanky: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html takes ~30 minutes, but works |
| 23:53.54 | soymilk | Guerin: but isn't that really weird, that apt-get would even care/know about the name of the currently running kernel when installing a package. i didn't even use make-kpkg to create the .deb. it should just be treating it like a normal package but its not |
| 23:54.03 | fah | blanky: on a nf3-board, you have to deactivate agp-support in the xorg.conf |
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| 23:54.24 | soymilk | Guerin: why does it care if i install a file in /lib/modules/... or /tmp or anywhere else? |
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| 23:54.33 | loic | Hi |
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| 23:54.47 | Guerin | soymilk: if that's all you care about, just untar it |
| 23:55.16 | mattt | for grub, in menu.lst, that is the correct place to put kernel optios right ? |
| 23:55.24 | Guerin | mattt: yes |
| 23:55.31 | mattt | like apm=no ? |
| 23:55.33 | soymilk | Guerin: but the whole point was to have a .deb to install the custom module, to gain the benefits of the packaging system for tracking, uninstalling, etc. |
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| 23:55.53 | rata | i installed lmsensors, and run 'sensors-detect' and it tries to load sis5595(and 2 modules more, that it could load with any problems). Bue when i try to load sis5595, it says that it does not exist, and when i run sensors it doesn show my cpu temp. What can i do for seeing it ? |
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| 23:56.06 | Guerin | soymilk: oh, it's just the custom module? |
| 23:56.12 | blanky | is there a command to update every package in your system? synaptic says that kde is installed but it's an old version |
| 23:56.13 | loic | i am building a webserver, is it possible to configure bind in order to make it primary AND secondary DNS server for 1 domain ? |
| 23:56.29 | stew | blanky: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:56.31 | mattt | is there a way to see if the kernel option was applied ? |
| 23:56.37 | soymilk | Guerin: its a .deb with exactly one file in it. a .ko that was built for a specific custom kernel. the kernel was built with make-kpkg |
| 23:56.50 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: and dpkg-deb -c returns what? |
| 23:56.52 | stew | mattt: look in menu.lst for kopt |
| 23:56.58 | soymilk | one sec... |
| 23:56.59 | blanky | thanks |
| 23:57.00 | Guerin | loic: um, a single nameserver can't be both authoritative and unauthoritative for the same zone |
| 23:57.12 | Guerin | loic: for reasons which should be obvious |
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| 23:57.39 | loic | Guerin: yes but i only have one box ... |
| 23:57.43 | Guerin | soymilk: why didn't you use make-kpkg to build the .deb? |
| 23:57.55 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: ah, same as dpkg -c - yes, it correctly shows the .ko in the correct directory. |
| 23:57.57 | Guerin | loic: you need another nameserver. I recommend zoneedit.com |
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| 23:58.08 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: yes, but what does it show? |
| 23:58.09 | blanky | how can you see what version of kde you hvae |
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| 23:58.18 | mattt | stew: I added apm=no to the kernel line, not to kopt, kopt is a default right ? |
| 23:58.26 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: and furthermore, what is the dpkg -i error? |
| 23:58.32 | Guerin | blanky: run kcontrol |
| 23:58.32 | Hal9000 | hello! i want to delete a directory in ftp, but it says its not empty... how do i recursivelly delete a directory in ftp? |
| 23:58.33 | loic | Guerin: and anyway the DNS server is ton the same computer than the apache, so if the machine is down doesn t really matter if there is another DNS server as backup . |
| 23:58.38 | blanky | guys i did apt-get upgrade (i have kde 3.3) and it still wont upgrade my kde |
| 23:58.44 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: /lib/modules/<custom kernel ver>/extra/mymodule.ko |
| 23:58.50 | stew | mattt: if you edit the kernel line directly your changes will be lost the next time update-grub is run (and it is run automatically whenever dpkg installs a kernel) |
| 23:59.18 | dondelelcaro | Hal9000: use lftp and then rm -r |
| 23:59.20 | Guerin | loic: it matters a lot, because there's a difference between 'no such host' and 'host timed out' or 'connection refused' |
| 23:59.24 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: but when i apt-get install it, it fails and says that /lib/modules/<kernel of system outside of chroot>/extra doesn't exist |
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| 23:59.40 | blanky | guys is there a way to upgrade my kde 3.3, it still wont upgrade to the latest one |
| 23:59.55 | Guerin | blanky: what branch of debian are you running? |
