| 00:00.00 | loic | Guerin: ok checking zoneedit.com :) |
| 00:00.00 | blanky | sarje |
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| 00:00.19 | blanky | Guerin, sarje |
| 00:00.24 | mattt | stew: so I should use kopt and then run update-grub ? |
| 00:00.31 | Guerin | blanky: kde 3.3.2 is the only one in sarge. if you want more recent, you need to run testing. |
| 00:00.34 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: so dpkg-deb -c only returns the one entry? |
| 00:00.39 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: that's your problem them... |
| 00:00.49 | Guerin | blanky: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:00.55 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: well that and everything above it |
| 00:01.00 | stew | mattt: yes, if its in kopt it will be added to every kernel line, you can also add a specific kopt line for particular kenrel versions (as is documented in the file) |
| 00:01.08 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: all the parent dirs that is... |
| 00:01.34 | mattt | ok, cool. thanks. |
| 00:01.50 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: ok; please give me the full output of dpkg -i yourcustom.deb; and ls -l /lib/modules; |
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| 00:02.15 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: i know that this works on a non-chrooted system. this is like the fifth version of this module i've built as a .deb. but only in the chroot install does it fail |
| 00:02.15 | Hal9000 | dondelelcaro: wow, lftp is another story :D thanks! |
| 00:02.42 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: on regular systems it installs fine. |
| 00:02.45 | dondelelcaro | Hal9000: yes, lftp is real ftp. All other ftp clients (with the possible exception of yafc and ncftp) are garbage |
| 00:02.57 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: right, I'm asking about the run on your chrooted filesystem. |
| 00:03.22 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: in #flood... |
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| 00:03.35 | loic | Guerin: do you advice to use zoneedit as primary or as secondary DNS server? |
| 00:03.54 | mattt | I added `kopt=amp=off` and ran `update-grub`, now the kopt line os gone and the kernel lines do not have apm=off, what gives ? |
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| 00:04.08 | stew | mattt: you weren't supposed to uncomment that line |
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| 00:04.19 | LSorensen | mattt: did you add #kopt=amp=off or kopt=apm=off ? |
| 00:04.54 | Hackel | Out of curiosity, how come there are no kernel-headers-2.6.12 packages? |
| 00:04.58 | LSorensen | mat; and you append to the kopt line, you don't add one |
| 00:05.07 | LSorensen | Hackel: renamed to linux-* instead of kernel-* |
| 00:05.09 | stew | Hackel: they are named linux-* now |
| 00:05.14 | LSorensen | Hackel: that is as of 2.6.12 |
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| 00:05.37 | mattt | right, i thought it was saying 'don't just uncomment this, this is an example' |
| 00:05.50 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: ok pasted |
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| 00:06.15 | LSorensen | mattt: it stripts one layer of comments from the auto section to read the options and leaves the ## lines as comments |
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| 00:06.33 | Hackel | LSorense: yes, I know I should have typed that, but linux-headers-2.6.12 doesn't exist either, does it? |
| 00:06.38 | LSorensen | mattt: that way the update-grub stuff is a comment to grub while everything else is a comment to both |
| 00:06.46 | LSorensen | Hackel: it used to |
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| 00:06.52 | Tortel | What is the current support of MTP? |
| 00:07.08 | mattt | so if I reboot, how do I tell if the option is invoked ? |
| 00:07.09 | stew | Hackel: you want something like linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 00:07.09 | Hackel | There's 2.6.11, .13, and .14, but no .12 that apt-cache can find. |
| 00:07.12 | LSorensen | Hackel: mayhave been replaced by 2.6.14 |
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| 00:07.16 | mattt | can i list my current kernel option ? |
| 00:07.24 | LSorensen | Hackel: obsolete packages get deleted from the archive |
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| 00:07.34 | stew | mattt: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 00:07.38 | Hackel | Alright, I mean I can just upgrade, was just wondering if there was a reason it was omitted. |
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| 00:07.46 | hyu | /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory what package contains this file? |
| 00:08.00 | LSorensen | Hackel: well I think it just got replaced by 13 and then 14 |
| 00:08.12 | Hackel | LSorense: okay, thanks. |
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| 00:08.30 | mattt | thanks, so apm=off already :( , back to the drawing board, what causes time to reset itself by 6 hours ? |
| 00:08.33 | ersdfeef | Debian tells me ldd command is not found. How do I fix this? |
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| 00:09.03 | dondelelcaro | ersdfeef: install ldd |
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| 00:09.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell ersdfeef -about search |
| 00:09.22 | LSorensen | mattt: wrong timezone? |
| 00:09.30 | LSorensen | mattt: acpi bios bug? |
| 00:09.34 | LSorensen | mattt: what type of system? |
| 00:09.36 | antgel_ | ersdfeef: um, that should be in the libc6 package |
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| 00:09.52 | hyu | /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory what package contains this file? ore what is the way to use thes file? |
| 00:10.02 | floundering | I want to run debian stable as near pure as possible but sometimes want a package from testing. is it best to install binary packages or download the source package separately and build it? |
| 00:10.18 | Hal9000 | how can i see, via command line, how big a directory is? (e.g. including all its content) |
| 00:10.21 | antgel_ | !tell floundering about simple sid backport |
| 00:10.28 | LSorensen | floundering: given most things would need a new libc from testing to use, you are better of rebuilding the source package with apt-get source -b package |
| 00:10.37 | LSorensen | floundering: and solving the depenant package issues too that way |
| 00:10.39 | ersdfeef | apt-cache search ldd finds nothing. libc6 doesn't work, I get error |
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| 00:10.50 | LSorensen | floundering: once you replace libc you are basically running a different version |
| 00:11.01 | zenwryly | is there something like top or iftop for disk IO? |
| 00:11.02 | nekostar | aaahhh |
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| 00:11.38 | antgel_ | ersdfeef: what do you mean libc6 doesn't work? have you hosed your system? |
| 00:11.41 | Breeder | hi, where i can find the deb's for freenx? anyone? |
| 00:12.33 | LSorensen | Breeder: what is freenx? |
| 00:12.55 | Ronin | !tell Breeder about freenx |
| 00:13.17 | Ronin | although rumor has it that url is dead right now |
| 00:13.29 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: apt-get still fails with the same errror. i changed the depmod line as you said... |
| 00:13.34 | Ronin | but a simple google search will help |
| 00:13.42 | npx | weed tastes good |
| 00:13.45 | npx | you can eat it, too |
| 00:13.47 | npx | just raw |
| 00:13.56 | Breeder | LSorensen: its a app like vnc |
| 00:14.06 | mattt | LSorense: it's actuall a vmware Debian Sarge, I've run base-config and set my time zone, no to hw=gmt. |
| 00:14.07 | npx | does that make me some ghetto conglomeration of ghetto hippy nerd stoner? |
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| 00:14.15 | npx | did I just use ghetto twice in one sentence? |
| 00:14.39 | soymilk | oh well. maybe this is a good time to set up a FAI system anyways... |
| 00:15.02 | mattt | it should use the host system time as the bios time. is there a apci=no ? |
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| 00:16.05 | stew | mattt: there is acpi=off iirc, kernelParameters.txt in the docs directory of the kernel source is authoritative |
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| 00:16.41 | nekostar | if my default gateway on my router is 192.168.1.1 would my broadcast address be 192.168.1.255 ? |
| 00:16.53 | Gokee2 | Hmm whats the command for adding a user? I thought it was addusr but that does not work.... Also is there a way to watch a user? |
| 00:16.57 | blanky | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.57 | stew | nekostar: depends on your netmask |
| 00:17.07 | nekostar | 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 00:17.14 | stew | nekostar: then yes |
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| 00:17.20 | nekostar | ah |
| 00:17.24 | stew | nekostar: are you editing interfaces? |
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| 00:17.28 | nekostar | yeah |
| 00:17.36 | stew | nekostar: leave out network and broadcast |
| 00:17.36 | floundering | LSorensen: Thanks, I will re-install and start again. I thought I'd stuffed the machine up good an proper :) |
| 00:17.39 | nekostar | etherconf since i suxxorz |
| 00:17.44 | nekostar | o: |
| 00:17.47 | stew | nekostar: then are autocalculated unless you are doing something very non-standard |
| 00:18.07 | nekostar | ah! thankyou very much |
| 00:18.12 | zenwryly | no one? SOmething like top for disk activity or I/O? |
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| 00:18.48 | SimAtWrk | Yog: !! that's great |
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| 00:18.51 | SimAtWrk | i can't pm! |
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| 00:19.08 | nekostar | SimAtWrk, you can link that nick to your other nick :D |
| 00:19.09 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: play around until you figure out the right options to call depmod with; I assume it's 'depmod 2.6.14-trident-smp;' but it may not be. In any case, whichever is right will be the proper one to run. |
| 00:19.16 | azeem | SimAtWrk: you're not registered with Nickserv |
| 00:19.18 | nekostar | reg it and use link command :) |
| 00:19.20 | Ronin | SimAtWrk: identify to nickserv |
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| 00:19.28 | ersdfeef | antgel, not that I know of. I ran apt-get upgrade today and it said this when it got to libc6: http://pastebin.com/442829 |
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| 00:19.37 | SimAtWrk | nekostar: you can? how? |
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| 00:19.50 | Ronin | SimAtWrk: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:19.54 | SimAtWrk | Ronin: thanks |
| 00:20.03 | SimAtWrk | i don't really want to send pms though, it'll just lead to more time wasted :) |
| 00:20.03 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: ok thanks. |
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| 00:20.17 | SimAtWrk | especially if hotgirlwithgiantbewbs logs in :( |
| 00:20.18 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.21 | nekostar | then um |
| 00:20.22 | soymilk | dondelelcaro: i thought depmod -a always just *works* ... |
| 00:20.41 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.45 | nekostar | :) |
| 00:20.48 | dondelelcaro | soymilk: it does in the normal case. |
| 00:21.20 | nekostar | btw hello dondelelcaro and soymilk and everyone :) |
| 00:21.21 | ersdfeef | now it won't install or not install or anything else. I'm gonna try downloading the packages and using dpkg now I don't know if it will work |
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| 00:22.46 | blanky | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 00:22.46 | blanky | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 00:22.46 | blanky | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 00:22.46 | blanky | deb http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ testing main |
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| 00:22.52 | mattt | where does my timezone get set ? |
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| 00:23.06 | dondelelcaro | mattt: in /etc/timezone or TZ |
| 00:23.07 | blanky | is the last line right? I think it's wrong |
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| 00:23.16 | Heimidal | is there a way to make SMTP listen on multiple ports? |
| 00:23.30 | SimAtWrk | run multiple smtp services |
| 00:23.41 | dondelelcaro | (well, /etc/localtime, technically) |
| 00:23.48 | dondelelcaro | Heimidal: depends on the MTA> |
| 00:24.09 | Heimidal | Exim4 |
| 00:24.24 | mattt | ok, thanks, both are set correctly. |
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| 00:25.34 | blanky | hey guys, is this line right? |
| 00:25.36 | blanky | deb http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ testing main |
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| 00:25.53 | jfil | hi, in debian gnome desktop preferences there is "typography" to make changes about fonts. can u please tell me how to manage that without gnome? |
| 00:25.58 | ersdfeef | I'm getting the same problem, ldd command not found. |
| 00:25.58 | blanky | i keep getting errors with apt-get update |
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| 00:26.22 | blanky | ersdfeef, talking to me? |
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| 00:26.36 | blanky | anyone? |
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| 00:27.07 | omniboggle | Is there no Kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 for unstable? |
| 00:27.13 | ersdfeef | blanky, no, but that line looks correct to me |
| 00:27.13 | Duelist | okay, before my reinstall I was able to get Evolution to not show the HTML part of messages, just plain text |
| 00:27.18 | Duelist | I can't seem to find the option now |
| 00:27.22 | ersdfeef | what error does apt-get update give you? |
| 00:27.33 | blanky | hold on |
| 00:27.34 | EdLin | omniboggle: unstable has renamed kernel-* to linux-* |
| 00:27.41 | omniboggle | ahh ok |
| 00:27.41 | omniboggle | ty |
| 00:27.44 | blanky | 404 not found error |
| 00:27.47 | jefferyb | I was wondering if anyone can help... I need to run a script everytime a user logs in onto the desktop, and I was wodering where to put the script so it could run when ever someone logs in... |
| 00:27.55 | antgel_ | ersdfeef: looks to me like you hosed your system. what were you upgrading from/to? |
| 00:28.01 | blanky | Failed to fetch http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/dists/tes |
| 00:28.01 | blanky | y-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 00:28.17 | antgel_ | jefferyb: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:28.23 | ersdfeef | antgel, nothing, I don't know. I ran apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade like normal on my etch system and that happened |
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| 00:28.34 | cotelo | este.. |
| 00:28.39 | cotelo | hello |
| 00:28.41 | cotelo | xD |
| 00:28.46 | ersdfeef | blanky, are you sure that address is correct? |
| 00:28.47 | jefferyb | wouldn't I have to do that for each user though? and wouldn't that work only when I use a shell? |
| 00:28.48 | blanky | please anyone help? |
| 00:28.53 | blanky | dpkg gave me it |
| 00:29.03 | ersdfeef | blanky, are you sure that address is correct and for your architecture? |
| 00:29.07 | blanky | dpkg Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 00:29.11 | omniboggle | are there no linux-headers-2.6.8-2-386? |
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| 00:29.29 | blanky | im trying to use testing instead of sarje |
| 00:29.32 | omniboggle | or would someint with just linux-headers-2.6-386 work? |
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| 00:29.47 | antgel_ | ersdfeef: hmm. testing can break at times but i feel that if there was a libc6 problem in testing, there would have been more complaints in here by now. unless you're the first |
| 00:29.48 | RelDrgn | \t |
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| 00:30.23 | antgel_ | jefferyb: 1. no, that's the system-wide file. 2. how are they logging in? |
| 00:30.48 | Heimidal | can I just add another 'smtp' line to /etc/services? |
| 00:30.54 | blanky | someone please help me :( |
| 00:30.57 | ersdfeef | blanky, that is not the repo address, that advises you to see that website. go there in your browser and it will show you the correct address to the repos. |
| 00:31.16 | blanky | ersdfeef, oh okay, yeah cause I went there too but didnt find one hehe |
| 00:31.17 | fbi | omniboggle: the kernel headers package for 2.6.8 is kernel-headers, not linux-headers |
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| 00:31.24 | antgel_ | Heimidal: no. read the exim4 docs (ouch) |
| 00:31.30 | ersdfeef | blanky, try deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:31.30 | ersdfeef | deb-src http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:31.31 | blanky | ersdfeef, it has this line in the site 'deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free' |
| 00:31.35 | fbi | linux-headers is 2.6.12 and newer |
| 00:31.36 | omniboggle | i was just told it wasnt for unstable |
| 00:31.42 | jefferyb | antgel_: using the gui... from kdm or gdm |
| 00:31.51 | fbi | omniboggle: then you want linux-headers-2.6.14 |
| 00:31.52 | omniboggle | i was told that in unstable kernel-headers was named linux headers |
| 00:31.54 | EdLin | blanky: that website has several... If you are having such a hard time with reading comprehension I wouldn't recommend running something other than stable. |
| 00:31.56 | Amorphous | hi. i think i have hit some bug in the linux-kernel related to extracting and rm-ing many small files on an ext3 partition. after some times all the terminals from the running mlnet instance freeze. when i shutdown when umounting the kernel oopses. on next reboot i have to fschk that filesystem. (debian kernel source 2.6.12-10 + certain patches, none directly related to any fs stuff + tainted by nvidia and vmware modules; 2.6.11 with simil |
| 00:31.56 | Amorphous | ar config) any ideas how to fix that? |
| 00:31.56 | omniboggle | ok |
| 00:31.57 | blanky | yeah that's the one I saw, but except I'm not using etch...or wait...am i? I changed all my sarje things froom the sources.list to testing |
| 00:32.16 | blanky | EdLin, yeah but the stuff in stable is really old heh |
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| 00:32.34 | Heimidal | antgel_: I see where to change it.. I just can't find the 'daemon_smtp_ports' entry in the exim conf. |
| 00:32.43 | antgel_ | jefferyb: them read the docs for the dm. probably the global xsession, wherever that lives |
| 00:32.50 | EdLin | blanky: just because something has a six month old version number doesn't mean its useless. |
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| 00:32.56 | antgel_ | Heimidal: then add it |
| 00:33.09 | blanky | EdLin, I dont remember saying it was useless |
| 00:33.15 | antgel_ | blanky: don't make yourself sound ignorant |
| 00:33.18 | Heimidal | is there a file that would be preferable to add to? |
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| 00:33.58 | blanky | ersdfeef, im 'upgrading' from sarje to etch, I changed the words 'sarje' and 'stable' to testing in my sources.list |
| 00:34.05 | antgel_ | Heimidal: um, the exim config file? if you're using exim4, see docs in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/ |
| 00:34.16 | antgel_ | blanky: it's sar*g*e |
| 00:34.19 | Heimidal | antgel_: I'm using the split config |
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| 00:34.51 | ersdfeef | blanky, testing is etch |
| 00:35.00 | blanky | oh okay, so they're both the same thing i presume? |
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| 00:35.22 | ersdfeef | yes, right now they are. one day etch will be stable, but not for a couple of years I'd imagine. |
| 00:35.36 | EdLin | blanky: with official repositories yes. Some unofficial repositories (the most popular of which is marillat) use only one of them. |
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| 00:35.50 | blanky | so which should I use, etch or testing heh |
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| 00:35.56 | antgel_ | Heimidal: then add it wherever you think most suitable. or create your own local config file in conf.d/<something> to avoid problems when upgrading |
| 00:35.56 | Kluster_v2 | blanky, hope you don't want to run k3b with etch |
| 00:36.02 | antgel_ | blanky: if you have to ask, stable |
| 00:36.07 | EdLin | blanky: for the official repositories it doesn't matter. |
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| 00:36.14 | Kluster_v2 | or is it working now ? last time I checked it wasn't |
| 00:36.33 | blanky | Kluster_v2, it wont work? lol |
| 00:36.35 | ersdfeef | blanky, everywhere that said stable change to testing, everywhere that said sarge change to etch. some places it matters and some it doesn't, but that's what I did and it worked fine for me. |
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| 00:36.48 | blanky | oh okay thanks ersdfeef |
| 00:37.00 | blanky | so k3b wont run in etch, oh well |
| 00:37.01 | Heimidal | antgel_: I added the line as specified in the docs and it says that option is unknown |
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| 00:37.12 | antgel_ | ersdfeef: your advice is incorrect |
| 00:37.34 | ersdfeef | antgel_, please correct me then :) |
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| 00:37.54 | jcole | are there any lvm resize guis? |
| 00:38.04 | antgel_ | Heimidal: perhaps it's only in a new version of exim? make sure you read the correct version of the exim spec. perhaps there's a typo? |
| 00:38.10 | Yarou | um, is there a reason i can only run firefox from the terminal, and i have to leave the terminal window open? |
| 00:38.13 | karsten | jcole: qtparted, possibly. |
| 00:38.20 | karsten | Yarou: nohup. |
| 00:38.30 | jefferyb | I'm trying to make link on the Desktop for each users that logs on... check to see if it's there, if not, make one for them... I have the script to do all that, I just want to know where to put it... |
| 00:38.45 | karsten | Yarou: There may be a file ~/.xession-errors which shows your firefox error output when run by other means. |
| 00:38.46 | antgel_ | ersdfeef: it doesn't matter *until* etch becomes stable. then some packages will upgrade and some won't |
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| 00:39.05 | karsten | jefferyb: test -l <mylink> || ln -s <something> <mylink> |
| 00:39.20 | antgel_ | jefferyb: i told you. ^^ |
| 00:39.22 | karsten | jefferyb: s/-l/-L/ |
| 00:39.31 | Yarou | i need to reconfigure X now, stupid pos gives me 800x600 |
| 00:39.38 | Yarou | thanks |
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| 00:40.02 | karsten | Yarou: dpkg-reconfigure (xserver-xfree86|xserver-xorg) |
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| 00:40.59 | Heimidal | I'm at the highest version |
| 00:41.02 | NachoLugli | hy |
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| 00:41.31 | NachoLugli | anybody can help me to configure dhclient ? |
| 00:41.51 | karsten | !tell NachoLugli about ask |
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| 00:42.58 | Yarou | lool |
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| 00:43.32 | Nigel_ | where is the pharmacy? I think my kernels/installations are sick :P |
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| 00:44.10 | dvs | hi abrotman! |
| 00:44.19 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:44.21 | ersdfeef | firefox 1.5 is out. how long until this is in testing? |
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| 00:44.27 | Yarou | i just downloaded it |
| 00:44.28 | Yarou | -_- |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | ersdfeef: 2-10 days after testing if no critical bugs are found |
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| 00:44.42 | abrotman | err after unstable |
| 00:44.45 | dvs | Is it? I went on the site yesterday and it still said RC3 |
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| 00:44.50 | Yarou | it's Final now |
| 00:44.50 | Yarou | :/ |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | dvs: read crap news at slashdot! |
| 00:45.02 | dvs | abrotman: uh.... no thanks |
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| 00:45.06 | muk_amd64 | hiya |
| 00:45.14 | Nigel_ | Ummm basicly, upgrade the kernel to 2.6.12 (+SELinux), and TCP/IP is messed up, and i also get error messages about selinux isn't supported by the kernel (yet i was told it was built in) |
| 00:45.25 | muk_amd64 | I'm having trouble getting icecast setup on my debian server, anyone done this before and don't mind helping me out? |
| 00:45.42 | ersdfeef | So is there a way I can fix my libc6/ldd problem without reinstalling? |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | wtf does that have to do with firefox ? |
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| 00:46.11 | ersdfeef | abrotman, Nothing ^_^ |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 00:46.28 | Nigel_ | also, why on earth where the kernel packages renamed? |
| 00:46.48 | dvs | Nigel_: to make room for Hurd |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | Nigel_: i'm not sure if you're aware of this .. but there are kernels besides the linux kernel :) |
| 00:46.54 | azeem | Nigel_: gnumach hasn't been renamed |
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| 00:47.28 | Nigel_ | abrotman yeah i know where are other kernels, just got me by surprised (and i was wondering why it was stuck on 2.6.8 |
| 00:47.39 | Nigel_ | errr there are |
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| 00:48.51 | Nigel_ | anyway, anyone know why an upgrade from a clean 2.6.8 kernel install, to 2.6.12 kernel (and then installing selinux after a reboot), would messup my networking etc |
| 00:49.06 | Nigel_ | oh i should say a non working selinux.... |
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| 00:52.06 | fbi | ask in #selinux |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | or stop mucking with sid ? |
| 00:52.34 | fbi | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | damn .. that sounds good |
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| 00:52.53 | fbi | i'd probably yak if i looked at one right now |
| 00:52.58 | fbi | i'm a bit hungover. |
| 00:53.02 | Guerin | might be better if it wasn't slimy |
| 00:53.09 | azeem | heh, I could just barely suppress my urge to get a Subway sandwich earlier today |
| 00:53.23 | Guerin | slimy is fine for seafood and entrails, but it's undesirable in steak |
| 00:53.28 | Guerin | in my experience at least |
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| 00:53.51 | Sneaky_Bastard | o_O |
| 00:54.12 | abrotman | fbi: it's like 5pm there! |
| 00:54.24 | fbi | Tue Nov 29 16:54:23 PST 2005 |
| 00:54.26 | fbi | and? |
| 00:54.33 | fbi | i had off work today heh |
| 00:54.44 | Sneaky_Bastard | ah, it would be highly ironic, if you were -- in fact -- an FBI employee of some sort |
| 00:54.48 | Sneaky_Bastard | perhaps a contractor |
| 00:55.17 | fah | Wed Nov 30 01:56:36 CET 2005 |
| 00:55.17 | Nigel_ | fbi well i think the main thing is, should selinux be actually working, i was told that selinux was built into the kernel, but mount tells me that selinuxfs is not valid, and that the kernel doesn't support selinux |
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| 00:55.51 | fbi | Nigel_: who knows. you aren't running pure Debian anymore which in my opinion, doesn't make it this channel's problem. |
| 00:56.08 | Sneaky_Bastard | Red-Hate ships with SELinux enabled by default |
| 00:56.40 | Nigel_ | fbi so tell me why all my packages where downloaded off a debian mirror (and i havn't installed anything out of tarballs etc) |
| 00:57.09 | Nigel_ | Sneaky_Bastard yeah, so does CentOS, but yeah |
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| 00:58.10 | Hal9000 | bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long (i did rm -rf *) how can i overcome this problem? |
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| 00:58.28 | pureone | for i in *;do rm $i;done |
| 00:58.31 | Sneaky_Bastard | Nigel: CentOS is a clone of RHEL |
| 00:58.39 | stew | Hal9000: ls * | xargs rm |
| 00:58.48 | Sneaky_Bastard | same as White Box EL |
| 00:59.02 | Nigel_ | hmmmmm |
| 00:59.14 | stew | Hal9000: actually make that ls -d | xargs rm -rf |
| 00:59.18 | stew | err |
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| 00:59.33 | Nigel_ | well it's looks like i'm gonna have to reinstall debian AGAIN and just use trusty old 2.6.8 |
| 00:59.36 | Hal9000 | ls -d? sounds ogod :) |
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| 00:59.55 | linux|d4rk | hi |
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| 01:00.16 | linux|d4rk | where i can find german support? |
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| 01:00.43 | Hal9000 | stew: i got this: rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' |
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| 01:01.14 | Nigel_ | !de |
| 01:01.15 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 01:01.31 | linux|d4rk | thx |
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| 01:04.29 | dondelelcaro | Hal9000: if you want to rm -rf *; just A=$(pwd); cd ..; rm -rf $A. |
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| 01:04.58 | dondelelcaro | (that's slightly more than rm -rf *, but I'm assuming you wanted to nuke the .foo stuff too.) |
| 01:05.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell jazzmanss -about away |
| 01:05.59 | red | how do you automatically load modules everytime the debian box reboots please? |
| 01:06.15 | dvs | red: add an entry to /etc/modules |
| 01:06.39 | red | dvs, tanks dewd! |
| 01:06.45 | dvs | no problem |
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| 01:10.55 | loic | anyone know how to configure a bind server in other to be primary and secondary DNS server for a domain ? (the server has 2 network interfaces) |
| 01:11.30 | abrotman | in other to be ? |
| 01:11.42 | loic | order :) |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | loic: we've already discussed this, and it's a bloody stupid idea |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | loic: ask #dns .. and it's a poor idea |
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| 01:12.59 | Guerin | loic: use an external dns service ... what's wrong with zoneedit? |
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| 01:13.12 | loic | Guerin: i know, but i checked zoneedit.com and they ask for fee for many domains, and unfortunatelly cannot afford it a the moment |
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| 01:13.37 | Guerin | loic: you have more than five domains, and you STILL only want to run a single dns host? |
| 01:13.58 | loic | Guerin: yep is it that crazy ? |
| 01:14.06 | Guerin | yes, it IS crazy |
| 01:14.11 | tjpp | Does anyone have seen something like 23:12:08 up 22 days, 15 min, 5 users, load average: 451.88, 450.60, 447.32 |
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| 01:14.12 | abrotman | loic: and you only hav ea single server ? |
| 01:14.14 | loic | Guerin: it s not a critical server |
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| 01:14.18 | abrotman | tjpp: yes .. i have |
| 01:14.24 | dvs | ouch! |
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| 01:14.28 | loic | abrotman: at the moment yep |
| 01:14.28 | red | tjpp, i ahve seen that when stale NFS mounts occur |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | tjpp: but it was a bad situation |
| 01:14.44 | tjpp | red: it is very likely |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | loic: and you have no friends who run thier own dns ? |
| 01:14.59 | abrotman | tjpp: mine was an AIX machine running emulation |
| 01:15.01 | tjpp | it is still increasing |
| 01:15.01 | red | tjpp, that there is a stale NFS mount? |
| 01:15.07 | loic | abrotman: nop i dont know anybody :/ |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | err running in emulation |
| 01:15.10 | macadamia | how do I get the hardware information about my video card |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | loic: Noone ? |
| 01:15.17 | red | macadamia, type lspci |
| 01:15.18 | crash3m__ | macadamia: lshw |
| 01:15.19 | tjpp | red: nope.. |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | loic: you need to make a friend |
| 01:15.31 | loic | abrotman: noone, i am completelly new to the server admin ... |
| 01:15.34 | red | tjpp, nope what? |
| 01:15.35 | RoundQube | with bind, we can create names of whatever we like if the name isn't taken or is there some registry that you *have* to buy your domain from? |
| 01:15.41 | tjpp | red: how can I check it : |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | loic: none of your friends ? |
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| 01:15.53 | abrotman | they don't even run windows ? |
| 01:15.57 | red | tjpp, do you use NFS mounts? |
| 01:15.58 | loic | abrotman: none of my friends host any server |
| 01:15.59 | macadamia | red thank you |
| 01:16.05 | tjpp | red: yep |
| 01:16.18 | red | tjpp, ok well do a df -k and see if it hangs |
| 01:16.20 | tjpp | automount(pid1318) on /nfs type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=1318,minproto=2,maxproto=4) |
| 01:16.21 | tjpp | viradouro:/home on /nfs/home type nfs (rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,addr=10.0.0.2) |
| 01:16.21 | tjpp | viradouro:/servicos on /nfs/servicos type nfs (rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,addr=10.0.0.2) |
| 01:16.21 | loic | abrotman: i am completelly new in the server admin world, i only used linux as a desktop OS until now |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | loic: well . running primary and secondary on the same machine is pretty much worthess |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | !tell tjpp about paste |
| 01:16.30 | ersdfeef | I can't upgrade my system. I'm using testing and it wants to upgrade libc6 to 2.3.5-8.1. libc6-dev requires this and has already updated itself to 2.3.5-8.1 . This error comes when I try upgrading through synaptic or apt-get: http://pastebin.com/443020 |
| 01:16.54 | tjpp | abrotman: sorry |
| 01:16.57 | loic | abrotman: i know it s worthless but domain registrar doesnt accept that i set up only 1 DNS entry ... |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | yay .. rain! |
| 01:17.22 | loic | abrotman: i wanna do that in order to fool them at least the time i can afford having many servers |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | ersdfeef: pure64 ? |
| 01:17.38 | tjpp | red: df -k reports Ok.. |
| 01:17.47 | ersdfeef | abrotman, yes I think I'm running pure64, I'm on an AMD64 environment. |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | you think ? |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 01:18.03 | michael_1 | I have just installed a second NIC, loaded the modules and did the network configuration with etherconf. all interface are up, but my (old) eth0 doesn't run the services (smbd) I used to have and I can't ping -I eth1 anyip with the (new) eth1 ? something is wrong. (all cables plugged in properly) |
| 01:18.10 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4903 kB, Installed size: 16708 kB |
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| 01:18.31 | Guerin | loic: http://soa.granitecanyon.com/ |
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| 01:18.44 | ersdfeef | Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, no yes, it's a pure64 userland, no 32-bit here :) |
| 01:18.45 | red | tjpp, hmm, well can you check your mounts , by cd-ing to them and doing an ls once you get there? |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | loic: well .. you do whateer you want .. just have bind listen on all interfaces .. the registrar won't know the difference if it's primary or secondary .. just that it answers |
| 01:18.59 | loic | Guerin: checking that, thanks a lot |
| 01:19.01 | abrotman | ersdfeef: check the BTS |
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| 01:19.12 | ersdfeef | abrotman, what is BTS? |
| 01:19.16 | dvs | !bts |
| 01:19.16 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 01:19.16 | zxsykco | Anyone here on a debian machine with problems with Selinux+Kernel 2.6.12+udev ? ;) |
| 01:19.22 | obtix | how to a create a link between two folders? |
| 01:19.24 | Guerin | loic: thanks for reminding me; i have to transfer the dns hosting for my domains actually |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | how the fuck do people end up on sid without know what the bts is |
| 01:19.37 | ersdfeef | I'm not on sid. |
| 01:19.49 | loic | Guerin: hehe |
| 01:19.52 | RoundQube | obtix man ln |
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| 01:20.09 | obtix | RoundQube, I get a hard link not allowed |
| 01:20.12 | tjpp | red: Yes. I can. I suspect of openmosix, though |
| 01:20.22 | RoundQube | obtix use soft link ie: ln -s |
| 01:20.28 | red | tjpp, ok i not use that ... |
| 01:20.36 | ersdfeef | Wait yeah I am. I see why it isn't working now. That's pretty weird, a couple of these are on sid, I have no idea how that happened. Anyway, thanks for the help. |
| 01:20.36 | doleyb | ersdfeef: you're on testing, your're on pure64. Both are advanced things, not recommended for someone not knowing of bts. |
| 01:20.47 | amphi | obtix: you must use a symlink then - no hard links across filesystem boundary |
| 01:20.50 | red | tjpp, you running debian? |
| 01:21.01 | tjpp | red: sarge+etch |
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| 01:21.03 | obtix | RoundQube looks like it worked! thanks |
| 01:21.04 | RoundQube | abrotman =) |
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| 01:21.09 | ersdfeef | doleyb, I've used bts before and things like that, I just wasn't familiar with the acronym. I know what a bug tracking system is and I've even submitted a few bugs. |
| 01:21.11 | RoundQube | obtix of course it works, its linux =) |
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| 01:22.20 | loic | as it seems there are people that master quite well the webhosting, may i ask if you re using control panels? wondering if it s usefull when you know how to use the command lines and edit the configuration files |
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| 01:22.32 | abrotman | loic: vi .. best panel ever |
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| 01:22.53 | ersdfeef | hmm apparently I had all the unstable things commented out ... why am I getting a sid package in testing? |
| 01:22.54 | loic | abrotman: emacs for me ;) |
| 01:23.27 | azeem | ersdfeef: did you run apt-get update? |
| 01:23.27 | tvn | ersdfeef: apt-get update ? |
| 01:23.35 | ersdfeef | yes, I ran apt-get update |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
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| 01:23.50 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 01:24.00 | azeem | ersdfeef: are you sure that package has not been upgraded earlier? |
| 01:24.00 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4903 kB, Installed size: 16708 kB |
| 01:24.01 | zxsykco | Thanks anyways all! =P |
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| 01:24.10 | abrotman | ersdfeef: what's your error again? |
| 01:24.20 | tjpp | red: ps aux hangs |
| 01:24.29 | debwu | last week after I apt-upgrade to the lastest sarge, the firefox could not startup |
| 01:24.30 | michael_1 | is anyone willing to help me out with my two NIC's plugged in, using the same module? |
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| 01:24.52 | azeem | michael_1: what's the issue? |
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| 01:25.25 | ersdfeef | libc6-dev is at 2.3.5-8.1 and I guess that's trying to put libc6 there as well. It won't let me take away libc6-dev though. Should I download the package from packages.debian.org and try dpkg? abrotman, http://pastebin.com/443020 |
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| 01:25.51 | doleyb | michael_1: you'd have to give more info, like what cables are to each card. |
| 01:26.01 | abrotman | ersdfeef: afaict .. this has nothign to do with -dev |
| 01:26.13 | zenwryly | I have a large copy that's taking forever |
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| 01:26.23 | zenwryly | and I'm trying to locate the bottle neck |
| 01:26.31 | zenwryly | one device is an adaptec raid5 array |
| 01:26.31 | Magical1492 | Would anyone know how to get a driver installed for a D-Link DWL 520+ Wireless card in Debian? |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | ersdfeef: why don't you have ldd ? |
| 01:26.41 | zenwryly | the other is an md raid1 array |
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| 01:26.59 | debwu | continue, and print: glibc malloc corruption. what's wrong? |
| 01:27.00 | ersdfeef | abrotman, synaptic lists -dev under broken and it's at the sid version level. abrotman, I don't know, I think I used to. All I did today was come in and run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and it started telling me this crap. |
| 01:27.09 | zenwryly | i've been using top and iostat but I can't see what's causing it |
| 01:27.18 | zenwryly | the copy is sporatic |
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| 01:27.38 | abrotman | ersdfeef: i blame canada |
| 01:27.47 | zenwryly | doing between 20MB/s and 60MB/s one minute and then 0MB/s for minutes at a time |
| 01:27.48 | dvs | abrotman: yes, blame us! |
| 01:27.56 | michael_1 | azeem: I have installed two 3com cards, both using the 3c59x module. The module installation was fine and quit without errors. I can ifup/-down both interfaces, but if I have eth0 (10.0.0.5) up only, all my services are slow or not running at all (proftpd slow, smbd doesn't work at all). If I have eth1 (10.0.0.4) up I can access my FTP (which usually runs under *.5) but smbd is still not accessable. something's really weird. |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | dvs: maybe if you were good for something! |
| 01:28.09 | dvs | abrotman: taking blame? What else is new? |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | binding to interfaces |
| 01:28.43 | Nigel_ | abrotman the selinux packages in testing should be usable right? (in particular with the 2.6.12 kernel) |
| 01:29.00 | abrotman | Nigel_: nfc .. |
| 01:29.00 | jefferyb | Thanks guys for the help... I haven't gotten to work, but I will be back later with more questions... Thank you again for the help |
| 01:29.05 | doleyb | Magical1492: that's a prism chipset I believe, so just use wlan-ng |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | Nigel_: i didn't even know there were selinux packages in testing |
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| 01:30.00 | ersdfeef | abrotman, so what should I do about this? Martin is gone now will that fix it? |
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| 01:30.08 | abrotman | martin ? |
| 01:30.32 | cheal | martin is not gone |
| 01:30.53 | Magical1492 | How would I go about running wlan-ng? In a terminal? |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | wtf is martin |
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| 01:31.10 | azeem | michael_1: that's weird indeed |
| 01:31.19 | ersdfeef | k well some crap is happening with martin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Martin |
| 01:31.22 | Magical1492 | Im new to Linux |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | azeem: you don't think they're binding to interfaces ? |
| 01:31.43 | azeem | eh :) |
| 01:31.59 | abrotman | why is azeem smiling !?!?! |
| 01:32.46 | michael_1 | azeem: what could be wrong? after I plugged the second card in, reinstalled the modules I was looking for the network setup routine you get, when installing debian newly - I couldn't find it, so I installed etherconf, which hooked me up with a routine, too... |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: you act like it's a bad thing |
| 01:33.12 | Nigel_ | abrotman according to my packages list on my old installs there are, so yeah, was just wondering if you knew |
| 01:33.21 | Wyzard | It is -- unstable isn't supposed to depend on experimental |
| 01:33.41 | azeem | abrotman: it usually means the respective DD has goofed up and had experimental stuff installed while building packages |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | azeem: i was suffering from sarcasmitis! |
| 01:34.05 | Wyzard | Synaptic depends on experimental GTK 2.8; aptitude depends on experimental apt |
| 01:34.08 | azeem | eh :) |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | why is azeem smiling !?!?! |
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| 01:35.32 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 01:35.32 | Wyzard | No, I'm wrong about apt... it's just that there's a new version which breaks aptitude's dependency |
| 01:35.40 | SimonRaven | because he smoked something |
| 01:35.43 | elephantMan | I have a i686 system - Should i install 'mplayer-386' ? |
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| 01:35.50 | SimonRaven | Wyzard: yeh. i just encountered it :) |
| 01:36.02 | dvs | elephantMan: no, mplayer-586 |
| 01:36.18 | Wyzard | It just surprises me to see it happen with several unrelated packages on the same day |
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| 01:36.47 | Wyzard | unless apt, aptitude, and synaptic are all maintained by the same person |
| 01:36.58 | azeem | Wyzard: apt and synaptic are, mostly |
| 01:37.04 | SimonRaven | apt team iirc |
| 01:37.09 | azeem | at least right now |
| 01:37.13 | Wyzard | I guess that explains it, then |
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| 01:37.43 | cheal | Wyzard: so what's the wrong dependency? |
| 01:38.50 | Wyzard | cheal: aptitude and debtags, in unstable, depend on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10, but the new apt provides libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 instead |
| 01:39.41 | azeem | Wyzard: sounds like its "unstable" |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | !btssmite Wyzard |
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| 01:40.07 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 01:40.27 | Wyzard | azeem: I know... I've been running unstable for years and this is no problem; I was just surprised |
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| 01:41.35 | cheal | Wyzard: you seem to be reporting that experimental provides stuff that unstable doesn't provide because the experimental version is older than unstable's |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's better than the time .. hrm .. which package was it .. depended on a package from ubuntu :) |
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| 01:42.09 | Wyzard | lol, didn't know about that |
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| 01:42.18 | ersdfeef | How do I fix this? I have libc6-dev version 2.3.5-8.1 installed and I want 2.3.5-8. I'm being told command ldd is not found. ldconfig works. I can't apt-get remove or install anything. |
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| 01:42.27 | cheal | Wyzard: but I don't see any RC bug against those packages |
| 01:42.41 | dvs | ersdfeef: What does ldconfig have to do with ldd? |
| 01:42.55 | abrotman | dvs: curling! |
| 01:42.55 | djtansey | i have installed mysql server. can i edit how many instances are started automatically? i can't seem to find a setting anywhere... |
| 01:43.00 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:43.03 | Blargh2015 | Is there any apt repository with an up-to-date version of php5? (specifically 5.1.1) |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | !Info php5 sid |
| 01:43.17 | dpkg | php5: has nothing about Info |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 01:43.30 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 01:43.35 | De_Mon | Hrm.. ldd is a libc6 util, ldconfig -- isnt. |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | Blargh2015: maybe experimental |
| 01:44.00 | abrotman | erm .. nope |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | mmm .. apples are good |
| 01:44.18 | De_Mon | oh yes they both are |
| 01:44.22 | De_Mon | :x |
| 01:44.50 | ersdfeef | I see! Well, anyway, ldd isn't working. :) |
| 01:44.52 | cheal | Blargh2015: unlikely |
| 01:44.56 | Blargh2015 | Feh... guess I'll have to build from source then... gah, always a nightmare when they finally get around to updating the packages. :( |
| 01:44.59 | Wyzard | cheal: No, experimental isn't involved in the libapt-pkg thing... it's involved in synaptic, which is depending on GTK 2.8 |
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| 01:45.53 | cheal | Wyzard: ah, I've got to catch up with d-d-c |
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| 01:46.40 | ersdfeef | I see! Well, anyway, ldd isn't working. Neither is apt-get or some other things. Seriously I need to get this working. :) |
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| 01:46.53 | TNKS | hi. Is /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser intended to be handled manually? Or is there a package to dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 01:47.02 | abrotman | Blargh2015: check apt-get.org |
| 01:47.13 | Wyzard | TNKS: update-alternatives |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | rnk |
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| 01:47.32 | sphinx | un canal en español |
| 01:47.36 | Wyzard | !es |
| 01:47.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:47.39 | De_Mon | hrm, I'm not being so successful at setting up nfs |
| 01:47.42 | michael_1 | ahh! anyone please help me with my nic issue!?! |
| 01:48.02 | sphinx | tankyou |
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| 01:48.20 | abrotman | michael_1: why are you only starting one of them ? |
| 01:48.20 | cddesjar | yo debianites! |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | !hit cddesjar |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | welcome! |
| 01:48.52 | De_Mon | i installed nfs-user-server, added /nfsroot-x86 *(ro) to /etc/exports, and tried to mout using mount -t nfs 192.168.0.1:/nfsroot-x86 temp/ |
| 01:48.59 | michael_1 | abrotman: well, I did to see, if all the services I used, still run. But that is not the case |
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| 01:49.07 | De_Mon | it says permission denied (error -13) |
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| 01:49.17 | cddesjar | abrotman: thanks for making me feel welcome! |
| 01:49.27 | abrotman | michael_1: i suspect the slowness is because of name resolution .. and the other .. samba binds to one interface |
| 01:49.43 | abrotman | michael_1: are the IPs on the same network ? |
| 01:50.04 | bleaked | cddesjar.. hehe, relax, he was kidding. after all, you called him a 'debianite'. |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | bleaked: cddesjar knows i was joking |
| 01:50.39 | bleaked | ah. |
| 01:50.39 | michael_1 | abrotman: samba: I told samba to use "interface = eth0" only in config file. what about name resolution? how can I fix that? as I said, after installing modules I installed etherconf |
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| 01:50.53 | michael_1 | abrotman: yes, the IP's are on the same network |
| 01:50.57 | cddesjar | bleaked: i didn't think he was serious |
| 01:51.12 | bleaked | right on :] |
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| 01:51.22 | azeem | everybody expect to be welcomed that way, anyway |
| 01:51.26 | Nigel_ | michael_1 your the guy that added a network card right? |
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| 01:51.39 | cddesjar | he probably does want to punch me for thinking he was abortman and not abrotman |
| 01:51.39 | michael_1 | Nigel_: exactly |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | michael_1: ok .. so |
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| 01:52.11 | abrotman | michael_1: so you can bring up one interface(eth0) .. and everything runs slowly .. or bring up eth1 .. and smb dies ? |
| 01:52.17 | Nigel_ | michael_1 dunno if it was already covered, but your old eth0 may be eth1 now, |
| 01:52.30 | Nigel_ | oh it looks like to be a different problem any how |
| 01:52.35 | Nigel_ | never mind me ;) |
| 01:53.08 | MuTLY | who |
| 01:53.14 | michael_1 | Nigel_: how can I specifiy my old to be the old, and my new to be the new (eth1) ? :) |
| 01:53.16 | MuTLY | oops.. my mistake |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | michael_1: wanna try something ? |
| 01:53.23 | cddesjar | does anyone know if there is a spell check for the version of evolution sarge uses? i don't seem to have one |
| 01:53.37 | michael_1 | abrotman: right. If I bring up eth0, ftp doesn't work, smbd doesnt work (from clients) |
| 01:53.37 | Nigel_ | michael_1 iirc there is no certain way |
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| 01:53.41 | abrotman | cddesjar: i think it's broken |
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| 01:53.53 | michael_1 | abrotman: sure... |
| 01:53.53 | cddesjar | abrotman: really? |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | michael_1: and in your interfaces file .. both are auto ? |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | cddesjar: check the help file for evolution |
| 01:54.15 | ersdfeef | I have only testing sources and libc6 is trying to be sid, version 2.3.5-8.1, instead of etch 2.3.5-8. |
| 01:54.15 | michael_1 | abrotman: auto lo eth0 eth1, yep |
| 01:54.20 | cddesjar | abrotman: i'm right on it |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | michael_1: remove eth1 .. reboot the entire system .. see if it all works normally |
| 01:54.43 | TNKS | Wyzard, update-alternatives is pretty interesting. How does it know what apps are available for a particular link? |
| 01:54.46 | abrotman | !info libc6-dev sarge |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | !info libc6-dev etch |
| 01:54.51 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:54.53 | michael_1 | abrotman: remove physically? |
| 01:54.55 | dpkg | libc6-dev: (GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files), section libdevel, is standard. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 2472 kB, Installed size: 8660 kB |
| 01:54.56 | dpkg | libc6-dev: (GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files), section libdevel, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 2621 kB, Installed size: 10608 kB |
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| 01:55.03 | abrotman | that's right fokls .. sarge has been released! |
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| 01:55.25 | SerajewelKS | is is possible to ask the kernel to not put a drive to sleep if it has open files? |
| 01:55.26 | Wyzard | TNKS: Each package provides info on which (if any) alternatives it can provide |
| 01:55.33 | Sneaky_Bastard | I last saw Sarge being sent back to hell by Doom Guy in the movie theatre |
| 01:55.34 | abrotman | ersdfeef: show how you got an unstable package .. you can either wiat .. or upgrade to unstable |
| 01:55.58 | cddesjar | yay! i found my package! |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i think that's an hdparm issue ? |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | cddesjar: ? |
| 01:56.13 | cddesjar | abrotman: gnome-spell |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | cddesjar: oh . i thought it was broken :) |
| 01:56.28 | Sneaky_Bastard | if you have trouble finding your package, I reckon you don't get many girls |
| 01:56.31 | michael_1 | abrotman: remove physically while running? or shutdown -h now, remove, boot up again |
| 01:56.47 | cddesjar | f-ing sweet...it has canadian english spell check |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | cddesjar: eh ? |
| 01:56.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i think i can disable sleep mode by using -B but i don't know about the open-files-thing |
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| 01:57.07 | cddesjar | it's hard being an american speaking canadian english...you know like favourite and behavourial |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | michael_1: no .. just remove eth1 from the auto line .. then reboot the whole server |
| 01:57.17 | ersdfeef | abrotman, I don't know how I got this. I ran apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and it tries to put libc6 at 2.3.5-8.1. everything else uses the correct etch version number. |
| 01:57.19 | cddesjar | oops behavioural |
| 01:57.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: neither do i ... soorry |
| 01:57.32 | michael_1 | abrotman: oh okay, .... lemme do this - hold please. |
| 01:57.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's not fun when i'm playing a game on /dev/hdb2 and the drive spins down then it needs to read a file =( |
| 01:57.46 | MuTLY | michael_1: LOL of course if you want to remove a card phisically you need to shutdown first ;) |
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| 01:58.00 | TNKS | Wyzard, where is this information stored (alternatives)? I haven't found it yet. |
| 01:58.10 | abrotman | ersdfeef: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libc6 |
| 01:58.17 | cddesjar | !sing blame canada |
| 01:58.18 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: certainly not |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | MuTLY: not always .. |
| 01:58.44 | Sneaky_Bastard | hey, the Canucks are the only ones to ever burn down the White House |
| 01:58.48 | Sneaky_Bastard | and we let them live!! |
| 01:58.51 | Sneaky_Bastard | :p |
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| 01:59.07 | Sneaky_Bastard | it was an accident because they were drunk, I tell yah! |
| 01:59.09 | SerajewelKS | how do i know if my motherboard supports hotpluggable pci? |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: how much did you pay for it ? |
| 01:59.24 | cddesjar | they prefer to be called mr. and mrs. canuckers |
| 01:59.25 | SerajewelKS | as in, is there some lspci-ish command that will tell me? |
| 01:59.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i don't remember |
| 01:59.29 | ersdfeef | abrotman, those packages won't install on AMD64 |
| 01:59.39 | ersdfeef | they complain about architecture. |
| 01:59.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: somewhere in the $75-125 range probably |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | ersdfeef: i'm showing that the .1 package you're installing is only avaoilable to sid |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i really really doubt it |
| 02:00.04 | MuTLY | I have a problem here, I have a SB AWE64 and cant make the thing work |
| 02:00.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: we have some motherboards at the ITS department here that "aren't" hotpluggable but you can hotswap pci cards with no problem |
| 02:00.12 | Wyzard | TNKS: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-alternatives.html |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: just keep doing that :) |
| 02:00.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: granted, the person who first tried it was an idiot, but still... |
| 02:00.30 | ersdfeef | abrotman, that's why it doesn't make sense for it to be installing now. I have no sid sources in my list. |
| 02:01.00 | TNKS | Wyzard, cool. I didn't think about it being part of the Policy. |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | ersdfeef: paste your sources in #flood |
| 02:01.08 | Wyzard | TNKS: In short, registration with the alternatives database is done by running "update-alternatives --install" and "update-alternatives --remove", and packages which provide alternatives do those things in their postinst and prerm scripts |
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| 02:01.59 | michael_1 | abrotman: looks like, everything works fine. |
| 02:02.14 | cheal | Wyzard: mips's synaptic 0.57.6 seems to depend on GTK 2.6 |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | michael_1: yeah .. i don't think it has anything to do with two identical NICs |
| 02:02.23 | floundering | I have to patch gnupg with two patches (debian and loop-aes) before compiling. are there any hints as to which should go first? |
| 02:02.28 | MuTLY | is there a way to increase columns in the console? to go beyond the 80x25 boundaries? |
| 02:02.31 | Wyzard | TNKS: Also, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 |
| 02:02.45 | MuTLY | btw sorry about my bad english... it is still under construction ;) |
| 02:03.00 | michael_1 | abrotman: weird, although I don't understand it. what's auto doing? I mean, eth1 is still fully useable, right? |
| 02:03.12 | abrotman | michael_1: it means that it brings up those interfaces on boot |
| 02:03.22 | Wyzard | cheal: Most likely the i386 .deb got built on the maintainer's system which had 2.8 installed, and the other arches were built on a buildd |
| 02:03.34 | enveezee | hello? |
| 02:03.39 | ersdfeef | abrotman, okay, pasted |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | ersdfeef: i see |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | enveezee: you broke the intarweb |
| 02:04.22 | michael_1 | abrotman: but what do I need to do, if I need both interfaces up on boot? (which is the case) |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | ersdfeef: go to #debian-amd64 .. see if they know how you got that package .. i suspect you're just going to have to wait a few days |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | michael_1: why do you need both ? |
| 02:04.50 | cddesjar | michael_l: could you add the 'auto' command in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:05.13 | michael_1 | abrotman: I need eth0 for LAN transfers and eth1 for VPN connection to university |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | michael_1: didn't you say it works fine with both up ? |
| 02:05.35 | cddesjar | michael_1: auto eth0 auto eth1 |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | cddesjar: wrong |
| 02:05.49 | abrotman | auto lo eth0 eth1 |
| 02:05.51 | enveezee | !test |
| 02:05.53 | dpkg | Sorry, enveezee, I didn't get your test. |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | enveezee: wake UP! |
| 02:06.09 | sgeigerbot | Does someone know the CLI trick for getting xmms to read a playlist like this: http://www.mostlyclassical.com/mp3/classical96k.pls |
| 02:06.12 | cddesjar | abrotman: sorry i forgot about lo |
| 02:06.19 | cddesjar | who needs loopback? |
| 02:06.22 | michael_1 | abrotman: I rebooted and eth1 is not up (because it's not in auto line) and it works fine. |
| 02:06.44 | nvz | damn, I am in IRC from my cell phone as enveezee, but I cannot see anyone typing but me :P |
| 02:06.51 | abrotman | michael_1: ok .. so try binding services to a single interface or make them listen on all |
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| 02:07.05 | sgeigerbot | cddesjar: it's used for nmapping |
| 02:07.07 | cddesjar | nvz: you can irc with cellphones? shit i don't even owe a cellphone yet |
| 02:07.08 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
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| 02:07.56 | cheal | Wyzard: yep. I'm going to report it if you don't |
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| 02:08.08 | Wyzard | cheal: Go for it |
| 02:08.15 | Blackent | Hello |
| 02:08.24 | nvz | I should probably install the gateway app on my desktop |
| 02:08.36 | nvz | and try it in http mode.. I got it using sockets right now |
| 02:08.42 | michael_1 | abrotman: could it be the same broadcast ip both interfaces use? both use 10.0.0.255 |
| 02:08.53 | cheal | Wyzard: you found it ;) |
| 02:09.01 | nvz | I dont know wtf I havent seen any msgs yet |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | michael_1: are they on different networks ? |
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| 02:09.35 | sgeigerbot | fyi, this answers my question: wget http://www.mostlyclassical.com/mp3/classical96k.pls; xmms -p --enqueue classical96.pls |
| 02:09.46 | Wyzard | cheal: I'm sure lots of people have noticed it... I didn't report it right away because I figured it's the sort of thing the maintainer would probably realize right away |
| 02:09.51 | Blackent | I have a problem, I am running an HP ZV6000 laptop with a Sempron 3200 K8, with Debian Etch, and the system clock runs twice as fast, I've recompiled a few different kernels, to no avail, and _no_timer_check doesn't work. If anyone has faced this problem please help |
| 02:10.05 | michael_1 | abrotman: no.{ eth0 (10.0.0.5) eth1 (10.0.0.4) } bcast 10.0.0.255. is this a problem? |
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| 02:10.21 | j4cbo | so any idea when the firefox 1.5 debs will show up? :D |
| 02:10.29 | nvz | one thing I like is the key timeout is lower in this IRC client.. I wish I could lower it all the time.. I dont like having to wait like 20sec to press another lette, it slows down already slow typing |
| 02:10.43 | abrotman | michael_1: shouldn't be |
| 02:11.33 | Blackent | Is the Debian kernel much different from that of the official kernel? (linux) |
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| 02:12.18 | cheal | j4cbo: any day? |
| 02:12.26 | cheal | Blackent: no |
| 02:12.41 | [SScourge] | i want to download debian, which cd's should i download, i dont want the netinstall, what the 14 cds contain, or, wheres a debian faq! |
| 02:13.07 | Blackent | First 4 or so should be fine for a desktop system I think |
| 02:13.35 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 02:13.35 | nvz | ah cool I am seeing msgs on the cell phone now, I had to identify for some reason |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | !faq |
| 02:13.40 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 02:13.40 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 02:13.56 | nvz | its a bit slower than the pc but its working |
| 02:14.05 | obtix | when i try to make webmin start at boot i get the following error "Failed to open /etc/rc.d/init.d/webmin for writing: No such file or directory" odd... |
| 02:14.24 | nvz | I think I need to hang out in #debian-offtopic #d is probably too high-volume for a cell phone :P |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:14.28 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 02:14.38 | abrotman | obtix: and don't use RH crap on debian |
| 02:15.02 | cheal | obtix: something seems to be wrong in that filename. did you manually touch webmin's init scripts? |
| 02:15.15 | nvz | I can try turning off join/parts and using nvz instead of enveezee to buy some screen real estate :) |
| 02:15.21 | Blackent | Is SSH better? |
| 02:16.02 | cheal | Blackent: than? |
| 02:16.08 | Blackent | Webmin? |
| 02:16.10 | obtix | abrotman: this is the default webmin config - i even told it (webmin) it was debian |
| 02:16.15 | nvz | yeah its a delay both ways in and out |
| 02:16.20 | obtix | cheal: its all defualt |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | obtix: default from where ? |
| 02:16.40 | Blackent | nvz: You need a D stub on that :P |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | obtix: apt-get install webmin ? |
| 02:16.52 | nvz | Blackent: eh? |
| 02:16.53 | Sneaky_Bastard | well, I like webmin, but I'd use a hardware firewall to control access to it |
| 02:16.54 | cheal | Blackent: ssh better than webmin? you'd have to define better if you don't compare things that do the same thing |
| 02:17.04 | Sneaky_Bastard | prefereably only from my static IP at home |
| 02:17.12 | obtix | abrotman: no, that version never worked right for me.. from webmin.com (i did it this way dozens of times all on debian, this is the first problem) |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | obtix: yeah dumbass .. don't use RH shit on debian |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | !rc.d |
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| 02:17.30 | dpkg | Debian is not DedRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 02:17.38 | michael_1 | abrotman: I can't find any string to bind proftpd to eth0...?! |
| 02:17.42 | obtix | abrotman: yeah, asshole - this isn't RH shit |
| 02:17.43 | Blackent | Hmm I thought webmin was for like remotley controlling a system, I guess what I mean is it better to SSH into a box then control the system? |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | !tell obtix about rc.d |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | obtix: yeah . .it is RH crap |
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| 02:18.20 | obtix | abrotman: well this is webmin's mistake on the default source code |
| 02:18.23 | secher_ | which one, aspell, ispell or myspell? |
| 02:18.23 | Sneaky_Bastard | BE: it's just fine for web-based administration...... |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | obtix: then don't use it |
| 02:18.29 | Blackent | nvz: moniter port = d stub |
| 02:18.35 | obtix | abrotman: at least you helped (granted very rudely) |
| 02:18.35 | Sneaky_Bastard | ..... provided you can restrict access ot it |
| 02:18.47 | Sneaky_Bastard | perhaps with a VPN tunnel or something |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | obtix: sorry . .i have no compassion for webmin users |
| 02:19.04 | Sneaky_Bastard | it has to be blocked off from the general internet or your box is toast |
| 02:19.53 | nvz | Blackent: yeah, well fat chance of that happening :P |
| 02:19.53 | obtix | abrotman: if you must know its a system i am building that i will not be administering (i usually dont use webmin) |
| 02:19.59 | Blackent | So,any clue as to why my system clock won't go at normal speed? |
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| 02:20.13 | obtix | abrotman: i use webmin on all client build outs that DONT sign a support contract |
| 02:20.29 | Sneaky_Bastard | because it *is* running normally and you are on drugs ? |
| 02:20.30 | Sneaky_Bastard | amybe ? |
| 02:20.34 | Sneaky_Bastard | maybe |
| 02:20.36 | abrotman | obtix: yeah .. sorry .. i still don't recommend it |
| 02:20.49 | Sneaky_Bastard | like I said |
| 02:20.52 | Sneaky_Bastard | firewall it off |
| 02:21.03 | Sneaky_Bastard | and make it only accessible from your own static IP |
| 02:21.11 | Sneaky_Bastard | and it's just fine |
| 02:21.17 | nvz | the client doesnt seem to have a real obvious way of ignoring joins/parts that I can see |
| 02:21.28 | obtix | abrotman: so if you had a client that didnt sign a support contract and paid you to let them admin the system therself you would use what? they arent going to learn anything on the console |
| 02:21.39 | nvz | I was thinking about subscribing my pcs mail to d-u too, so I got something to read :P |
| 02:21.47 | cheal | Blackent: you question seems to be equivalent to "is it better to use webmin or to not use it". and the answer to that is personal/depends on your use |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | obtix: hand them a Linux for dummies book :) |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | obtix: it's thier problem .. not yours :) |
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| 02:22.54 | secher_ | last time: ispell, aspell or myspell which to use? |
| 02:22.57 | obtix | abrotman: yeah, sadly not these guys... it is my problem when they pay me and say they want easy access to administrer their certain services they run. webmin (thus far) has been great for that! i custom config and lock it down nice - it cant be accessed via the internet (so not threatened by external security) |
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| 02:23.27 | abrotman | obtix: do as you wish .. i think i provided you with enough info to start debugging right ? |
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| 02:23.38 | obtix | abrotman: actually its already fixed :-) |
| 02:23.39 | michael_1 | how do I bind ProFTPd to a certain interface (eth0)? |
| 02:23.45 | abrotman | obtix: yay! |
| 02:23.57 | obtix | abrotman: thanks.. |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | michael_1: see if #proftpd knows |
| 02:24.00 | nvz | the screen is 17x10 in this IRC client :P |
| 02:24.04 | abrotman | obtix: have a great day! |
| 02:24.16 | nvz | and I broke it now.. it wont connect :P |
| 02:24.37 | secher_ | abrotman: you chasing the mwilson trophy? |
| 02:24.44 | abrotman | for what ? |
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| 02:25.20 | De_Mon | why can I mount an nfs volumn using localhost: but not the servers ip address? |
| 02:25.28 | secher_ | for most err... "brusque" mannerisms. <grin> |
| 02:25.42 | De_Mon | localhost:/nfsroot works 192.168.0.1:/nfsroot doesn't |
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| 02:26.07 | Sneaky_Bastard | "brusque" is being charitable |
| 02:26.10 | Sneaky_Bastard | >( |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | secher_: i was very polite! |
| 02:26.30 | secher_ | Sneaky_Bastard, Hence the " "s. <grin> |
| 02:27.02 | secher_ | abrotman: agreed, that's what mwilson says. |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | but i was |
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| 02:27.28 | secher_ | In know |
| 02:27.29 | secher_ | I know |
| 02:27.36 | abrotman | stop picking on me! |
| 02:27.41 | secher_ | mabrotman |
| 02:27.52 | secher_ | LOL. |
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| 02:29.20 | li_ma | help!!!! |
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| 02:29.23 | secher_ | Just kidding man. |
| 02:29.31 | li_ma | i deleted php4-auth-pam accidentally from debian box |
| 02:29.38 | li_ma | and i cannot install it back any more |
| 02:30.02 | li_ma | seams like theres bug in that packages's dependecy |
| 02:30.08 | li_ma | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:30.08 | li_ma | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.26 | li_ma | anyone can pls tell me how to reinstall the package? |
| 02:31.01 | nosklo | li_ma, how exactly are you trying to reinstall it? |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | apt-get update |
| 02:31.11 | Blackent | Anyone had double clock speeds...? |
| 02:31.20 | Blackent | That found a soultion? -.- |
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| 02:31.53 | li_ma | abrotman: the package is deleted. i already did update. no luck |
| 02:32.06 | li_ma | it is a confirmed bug in the package. but i really need it now |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | !info php4-auth-pam sarge |
| 02:32.14 | dpkg | php4-auth-pam: (A PHP extension for PAM authentication), section web, is optional. Version: 0.4-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 02:32.22 | li_ma | nosklo: i tried apt-get install php4-auth-pam |
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| 02:35.03 | li_ma | i found this on google: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=php4-auth-pam |
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| 02:35.21 | li_ma | so this problem cannot be resolved by normal apt-get command |
| 02:35.26 | li_ma | anyway to work around it? |
| 02:35.33 | li_ma | pls help me |
| 02:35.49 | nosklo | are you using sid? |
| 02:36.06 | li_ma | nskob, are you talking to me? what is sid? |
| 02:37.20 | secher_ | trying to build e17, and the config asks for aclocal, says nsfod, however, I did an apt-cache search aclocal and installed that package. am I missing something about aclocal? there does not seem to be an executable "aclocal". ideas? |
| 02:37.57 | secher_ | abrotman; you do realise i was kidding you, right? I didn't mean to insult you, if I did. |
| 02:38.13 | secher_ | !nsfod |
| 02:38.13 | dpkg | No such file or directory |
| 02:38.38 | nosklo | secher_, you have to install automake |
| 02:39.01 | secher_ | nosklo, Many thanks. |
| 02:40.13 | cddesjar | li_ma: are you running sarge? |
| 02:40.27 | li_ma | i'm running Mepis 2004 |
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| 02:40.30 | li_ma | is it Sarge? |
| 02:40.36 | Guerin | li_ma: no, it's mepis. |
| 02:40.47 | Guerin | li_ma: it's way older than sarge. |
| 02:40.49 | cddesjar | join #mepis |
| 02:40.58 | cddesjar | !mepis |
| 02:40.58 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 02:41.20 | li_ma | :( |
| 02:41.30 | sfullenwider | How do you lower the priority of a given process? |
| 02:41.44 | secher_ | man nice |
| 02:42.19 | secher_ | not smatrass, just in hurry.. typing with one hand. |
| 02:42.21 | Guerin | sfullenwider: htop provides easy renicability |
| 02:42.35 | cddesjar | is there something on this channel that if you enter with the nick ubuntu you get booted immediately? |
| 02:42.39 | Guerin | secher_: TMI |
| 02:42.43 | Faustus | I have a wierd issue with cron. I have a cron script running lynx at hourly intervals. Recently the server started running them twice (a bit over 2 minutes apart). I've altered the crontab (running crontab as root) and new versions are not being pulled now. It looks like two processes are running but ps -ef | grep cron shows only one (perhaps i'm using ps incorrectly) |
| 02:42.52 | Guerin | cddesjar: ask an op |
| 02:43.01 | secher_ | tmi? |
| 02:43.02 | cddesjar | Guerin: aren't you an op? |
| 02:43.06 | secher_ | !tmi |
| 02:43.07 | dpkg | tmi is probably too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 02:43.15 | Guerin | cddesjar: hell no. I'm far too unstable to be an op. |
| 02:43.23 | cddesjar | Guerin: i always thought you were an op |
| 02:43.29 | sfullenwider | man pages for nice are terrible. |
| 02:43.35 | cddesjar | i know abrotman isn't |
| 02:43.37 | cddesjar | ;) |
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| 02:43.40 | sfullenwider | hence the question. |
| 02:43.41 | Guerin | cddesjar: well, I am .... just not in #debian on freenode |
| 02:43.52 | Faustus | any advice on how to track one down |
| 02:43.52 | secher_ | Guerin, othrt hand on phone w/ telco..... perv/ :) |
| 02:43.56 | Faustus | erm my problem down |
| 02:44.02 | Guerin | secher_: sure, pal, whatever you say. |
| 02:44.43 | cddesjar | Guerin: where are you an op? |
| 02:44.44 | secher_ | lol |
| 02:44.59 | Guerin | cddesjar: any channel I start. You, too can be an op! |
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| 02:45.07 | cddesjar | Guerin: i like the sounds of that |
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| 02:46.36 | Faustus | I apologize if my question is newbish but any pointers would be awesome, have been messing with it for several days now and am no closer to finding a solution than when I started |
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| 02:47.59 | doleyb | Faustus: curious, what use is hourly lynx? is it -dump ? |
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| 02:48.09 | Faustus | correct yep |
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| 02:49.15 | doleyb | Faustus: i wonder why you don't use wget, that seems more approp. |
| 02:49.44 | Faustus | I'm sure you're right doleyb, and I'll look into it. but mainly this cron issue is kicking my arse |
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| 02:50.46 | doleyb | Faustus: so why do you think 2 are running? |
| 02:51.06 | Faustus | honestly, I don't know. I had them hitting "page.php" and altered them to hit "page1.php" |
| 02:51.09 | Faustus | and it's the weirdest |
| 02:51.16 | Faustus | crontab -e shows page1.php |
| 02:51.26 | Faustus | however page.php is still called like it's in the crontab |
| 02:51.28 | Faustus | which it is not |
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| 02:51.49 | doleyb | Faustus: does your /etc/crontab have a message at the top about "don't run crontab to edit this" ? |
| 02:52.04 | Faustus | (and at a time appx 2 minutes after the first one, which is silly because it was previously set to run at the same time |
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| 02:52.25 | Faustus | no nothing like that sorry |
| 02:52.42 | Faustus | it does say "you do not have to run crontab to edit this file" |
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| 02:53.15 | Faustus | however in the man pages it showed the crontab -e to set the root crontab up, and until recently it was working like a champ (no new installs of any software or anything like that) |
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| 02:54.43 | doleyb | Faustus: i can't guess why your problem, but would suggest you revert the crontab and use /etc/cron.hourly |
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| 02:55.11 | Faustus | doleyb: not to be a pain, but how would I revert? apt-get remove? or |
| 02:55.34 | Faustus | I thought lots of things depended on cron (or might be) and didn't want to screw everything up by removing and reinstalling |
| 02:55.44 | doleyb | Faustus: just take out the lines you've added, i hope. |
| 02:56.02 | Pho75 | howdy all. question: i dist-upgraded my old debian-box. but my user is missing all the new groups like plugdev,audio, etc. how can I make sure that my account always gets any new groups that the default account should have? |
| 02:56.15 | doleyb | Faustus: although you could mv /etc/crontab ~;apt-get install --reinstall cron |
| 02:56.43 | Faustus | doleyb: k thanks, I apprecaite your help a lot :) |
| 02:56.49 | Faustus | *appreciate :P |
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| 02:58.01 | cheal | Wyzard: $ reportbug synaptic |
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| 03:04.02 | Faustus | doleyb: on apt-get --reinstall cron is this the same for sarge? (I find no reinstall argument there) |
| 03:04.40 | doleyb | Faustus: man apt-get|grep reinstall |
| 03:04.52 | Faustus | lol fair enough ;) |
| 03:04.58 | doleyb | Faustus: note "apt-get install --reinstall cron" |
| 03:04.58 | Magical1492 | I have an ethernet card, but I dont know the name or type, is there a command to query it or any other way to see the name? |
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| 03:05.08 | doleyb | Magical1492: lspci |
| 03:05.09 | Faustus | thanks :) |
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| 03:05.12 | bgat | what is the replacement for kontour in sarge? |
| 03:05.35 | bluefox83 | hey..whats the command to clean out all the old .debs on your system with dpkg or apt? |
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| 03:05.59 | mfrisch | apt-get clean |
| 03:06.13 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 03:06.29 | cheal | bgat: ask #debian-kde or kde |
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| 03:06.43 | doleyb | bgat: karbon |
| 03:06.59 | bgat | doleyb: google just told me that. sorry! :) |
| 03:07.42 | Magical1492 | I ran lspci, it came back with Microsoft Corporation: Unknown Device 0002 (rev 11) |
| 03:08.01 | Magical1492 | Would I still be able to configure this? |
| 03:08.10 | zinx | what type of device is it? |
| 03:08.17 | Magical1492 | Ethernet Card |
| 03:08.32 | Magical1492 | I appreciate your help |
| 03:08.39 | zinx | depends on if you can figure out whith chipset it is or not, and if that chipset is supported |
| 03:08.46 | zinx | erh, which |
| 03:08.49 | litage | where do you tell nullmailer which email address to send emails to? |
| 03:08.53 | mfrisch | I loaded the mod for my radio tuner card but no /dev/radio was created. What am I missing |
| 03:09.01 | doleyb | Magical1492: is it classic ethernet, or 802.11b? |
| 03:09.01 | zinx | i didn't know microsoft made ethernet cards, myself :) |
| 03:09.25 | Magical1492 | It is a Classic Ethernet |
| 03:10.03 | zinx | Magical1492: try the tulip driver |
| 03:10.06 | drolyk | bb all |
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| 03:10.18 | zinx | Magical1492: you'll have to edit it, though |
| 03:10.35 | zinx | Magical1492: this is a RH-specific page, but maybe it'll help you: https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2003-November/msg00133.html |
| 03:10.49 | Magical1492 | I found some documentation - It is the Microsoft Model; MM-130 10/100 ethernet PCI adapter |
| 03:10.55 | doleyb | Magical1492: or try ne2k-pci or 8193too, those are very common chips. modprobe both, then ifconfig -a |
| 03:11.09 | Guerin | bah, I should clear out my postmaster account |
| 03:11.18 | Guerin | it has 12,000 unread mails from cron |
| 03:11.49 | zinx | Magical1492: MM or MN? |
| 03:12.03 | mfrisch | Guerin d'oh |
| 03:12.11 | Magical1492 | MN |
| 03:12.20 | zinx | Magical1492: see the url i pasted |
| 03:12.36 | zinx | Magical1492: it tells you how to modify the tulip driver to support your card |
| 03:13.25 | Magical1492 | Will this work for Debian? |
| 03:13.37 | zinx | Magical1492: yeah, but it does require modifying the driver |
| 03:13.46 | zinx | which means you'll need to figure out make-kpkg most likely |
| 03:13.50 | doleyb | Magical1492: only if you first learn how to recompile modules. |
| 03:14.06 | Guerin | because of a stupid logrotate duplication |
| 03:14.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:14.10 | doleyb | Magical1492: it might not be worth it, considering a supported ethernet card can be under $4. |
| 03:14.16 | zinx | yeah |
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| 03:14.32 | zinx | return the microsoft crap and get a cheaper card that's already supported ;) |
| 03:14.35 | Magical1492 | Sounds like a good suggestion... |
| 03:14.49 | Magical1492 | Thanks for the help |
| 03:15.08 | mfrisch | Magical1492 if it's microsoft it't crap |
| 03:16.45 | Guerin | yay for tardware |
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| 03:19.07 | tvn | mfrisch: you have any proof for such statement ? |
| 03:19.22 | obtix | ok, so i am running (from debian) 2.6.14-2-386 and i would like to bond my ethernet cards (i used to do this in the kernel when i compiled custom kernels but im trying to do everything the debian way now) of course there is no bond0 device so i need some help here |
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| 03:20.08 | mfrisch | tvn it's enough they have infected the software sector don't you think? |
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| 03:22.06 | jdrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.44 | subopt | What file do i update to enable apt-get to fetch from 'contrib'? |
| 03:24.19 | jdrake | it is /etc/apt/sources.lst or something like that |
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| 03:24.36 | subopt | thanks |
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| 03:27.14 | delerivm | are there any working sources for installing kde3.5 (or even 3.4) in sarge? |
| 03:27.35 | Magical1492 | Could someone give me a few names of compatable ethernet cards for Debian? |
| 03:27.41 | bleaked | how can one tell what drivers and/or modules were loaded for a specific piece of hardware? |
| 03:27.49 | mfrisch | delerivm search apt-get.org |
| 03:28.17 | bleaked | delerivm: sarge is stable. you would never find that in there. |
| 03:28.54 | bleaked | delerivm: right now, sarge only receives security updates. if you want more updated software, you'll have to have a testing or unstable system. or a mixed system. |
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| 03:29.16 | bleaked | delerivm: #debian-kde |
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| 03:29.27 | tvn | delerivm: you can build kde easily with konstruct to a seperate dir |
| 03:29.31 | delerivm | ok. I was just wondering if there were any unofficial sources tht would work |
| 03:29.44 | bleaked | delerivm: the topic in #debian-kde tells you how. |
| 03:29.57 | mfrisch | delerivm search apt-get.org backports |
| 03:30.11 | delerivm | alright cool, thanks! |
| 03:31.31 | bucky | !kde |
| 03:31.31 | dpkg | somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 03:31.51 | mfrisch | kde is a beast |
| 03:31.53 | bucky | kde3.5 is in etch |
| 03:31.58 | bucky | i hear |
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| 03:32.14 | cheal | !info kdelibs4 etch |
| 03:32.22 | cheal | !info kdelibs4c2 etch |
| 03:32.25 | dpkg | kdelibs4c2: (core libraries for all KDE applications), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 8044 kB, Installed size: 23480 kB |
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| 03:33.45 | delerivm | i found some 3.5rc1 sources on google yesterday, but they broke everything and i had to reinstall 3.3 |
| 03:34.25 | Guerin | -rc stands for 'real crap' |
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| 03:34.54 | delerivm | :) |
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| 03:35.48 | m000k | hi |
| 03:36.15 | floundering | I need to compile gnupg with some modifications for compatibility with loop-aes. I have applied a loop-aes patch first.. now I need to use dpkg-buildpackage ..but get it to accept extra stuff like LDFLAGS='static -s' and pass extra arguments when it calls ./configure like --enable-static-rnd=linux. how is this done? |
| 03:36.16 | cheal | delerivm: incredible |
| 03:37.32 | m000k | I have a problem, i booted up from the cd, and i typed in resuce, now it saids Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 3a:05 is there a way i can fix this problem? i need to get some data off this hdd. |
| 03:38.01 | Magical1492 | And as an addition to my question: Would you have to modify any drivers? |
| 03:38.06 | kjm | yup, that is a problem |
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| 03:38.34 | m000k | lol yeah i know |
| 03:39.00 | kjm | you tried a lived CD to try and rescue the system? |
| 03:39.10 | m000k | I need to fix it I have some important data on this hdd i need to get off. |
| 03:39.12 | m000k | no |
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| 03:39.19 | m000k | how would i do that? |
| 03:39.33 | Guerin | m000k: use a debian kernel |
| 03:39.35 | imex | got a question on my system, since it has a built-in video card but i added an agp card. does the kernel knows to free that memory since my bios cannot disable the built-in video? |
| 03:39.38 | mfrisch | m000k use another kernel. |
| 03:39.46 | m000k | How? |
| 03:40.07 | Guerin | m000k: how did you get into this situation? |
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| 03:40.09 | kjm | Download Knoppix or Ubuntu live.....you can boot into a Linux system, mount your HDD and even try to install a new kernel. |
| 03:40.19 | lambert | is it possible to identify whether a module is a lkm or a module built into the kernel base |
| 03:40.21 | mfrisch | Guerin ;-) |
| 03:40.24 | mtnman | m000k: when you did rescue did you specify the root fs? |
| 03:40.27 | Guerin | m000k: presumably your machine booted before - go back to how it was then |
| 03:40.49 | m000k | if I don't use the cd it'll try to boot up fbsd, but fbsd hasn't been on there in over two years lol it's weird. |
| 03:41.30 | m000k | mtnman, no. |
| 03:42.02 | delerivm | m000k try booting with "rescue root=/dev/your_root" |
| 03:43.15 | m000k | same thing, but this time it said VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 |
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| 03:43.20 | m000k | instead of VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 3a:05 |
| 03:43.33 | mtnman | m000k: what parameter did you feed it? |
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| 03:43.38 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 03:43.38 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 03:44.33 | m000k | lol |
| 03:44.45 | m000k | I can't even boot into anything much less do that. ;/ |
| 03:44.47 | cheal | lambert: linux modules are lkm |
| 03:44.51 | mtnman | m000k: what parameter did you feed it? |
| 03:45.06 | mtnman | (second and final time i ask) |
| 03:45.50 | m000k | i type in what delerivm told me too.. rescue root=/dev/your_root |
| 03:46.05 | mtnman | m000k: /dev/your_root is not a valid partition. |
| 03:46.36 | m000k | so.. /dev/hda? or something like that? |
| 03:46.47 | mtnman | m000k: hda is a disk. hda2 is a partition |
| 03:46.49 | mfrisch | hda2 |
| 03:47.27 | mtnman | m000k: do you know which partition contains your root fs? |
| 03:47.47 | m000k | i haven't used this hdd in over a year lol. |
| 03:48.10 | litage | where do you tell nullmailer which email address to send emails to? |
| 03:48.16 | mtnman | m000k: i'm not laughing. its your data, if you think it is a laughing matter... |
| 03:48.43 | wang | heh |
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| 03:49.14 | m000k | i'm not laughing. |
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| 03:49.27 | mtnman | then cut out the lame lol crap. |
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| 03:49.46 | wang | wow what a petulant asshole |
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| 03:49.52 | bleaked | quick, what's the nvidia one-liner? |
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| 03:49.58 | m000k | i typed in rescue root=/dev/hda2 and it said the same. |
| 03:50.09 | Guerin | !guess |
| 03:50.09 | dpkg | methinks guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 03:50.11 | mtnman | m000k: okay, so now you know the syntax. figure out which partition. |
| 03:50.40 | Guerin | s/00k/r0n/ |
| 03:50.45 | m000k | might be hdb i can't remember, its been a while |
| 03:50.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:51.16 | mtnman | m000k: as i said, now you know the syntax. nobody can tell you which parition. you'll have to figure that out for yourself. |
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| 03:52.19 | Faustus | thanks again doleyb, problem isn't solved, but the advice was appreciated and has made me think of a few other things to try |
| 03:52.20 | Faustus | cya |
| 03:52.21 | Maliuta | is anyone else having issues with esound? |
| 03:52.22 | m000k | i'm trying to figure out |
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| 03:52.31 | mtnman | m000k: good luck. |
| 03:52.39 | Guerin | m000k: no, you are alone in the wilderness, and nobody can ehar you scream. |
| 03:52.43 | Guerin | BAH |
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| 03:52.48 | Guerin | Maliuta: no, you are alone in the wilderness, and nobody can ehar you scream. |
| 03:52.56 | delerivm | and if there isn't a working linux installation on that partition, it won't do you any good anyhow and you should just download a livecd and mount your drive that way. |
| 03:52.59 | cheal | Maliuta: no, but I heard that anytwo did |
| 03:53.29 | cheal | !tell bleaked about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:53.34 | mtnman | delerivm: well, something like tomsrtbt floppy would probably do the job. |
| 03:53.38 | Guerin | Phated: solve the riddle! |
| 03:53.52 | Phated | Guerin: I don't KNOW! |
| 03:54.14 | m000k | is there a way to see my partitions? like fdisk or something? |
| 03:54.27 | mtnman | m000k: yes, fdisk. or cfdisk. |
| 03:54.40 | crash3m__ | fdisk -l |
| 03:54.41 | doleyb | Maliuta: yes, everyone hates esound. They had artsd just as bad, though. |
| 03:54.52 | m000k | how would i get into that from here? |
| 03:55.15 | mtnman | m000k: if you boot the install cd, ctrl-alt-f2 opens a shell. |
| 03:55.29 | mtnman | or alt-f2, rather. |
| 03:56.26 | m000k | brb |
| 03:56.51 | mtnman | we'll wait here... |
| 03:56.59 | mfrisch | lol |
| 03:57.07 | mfrisch | !lol |
| 03:57.07 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 03:59.34 | dabaR | hi. to edit which hosts can connect to my sftpd, do I edit sshd.conf, sftpd.conf, or perhaps the firewall? |
| 03:59.38 | dabaR | or whatever else... |
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| 04:00.18 | mfrisch | dabaR openssh has a good manual online |
| 04:00.19 | doleyb | dabaR: man hosts_access |
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| 04:00.45 | dabaR | OK, so for editing which hosts can connect to my vsftpd I read one of those? |
| 04:00.56 | m000k | okay back |
| 04:01.11 | mfrisch | we missed you!! |
| 04:01.27 | m000k | okay |
| 04:01.34 | m000k | im in the shell |
| 04:01.35 | mtnman | mfrisch: not enough for two exclamation points. |
| 04:01.50 | mfrisch | ;-) |
| 04:02.19 | m000k | cfdisk had a fatal error |
| 04:02.27 | m000k | cannot open disk drick |
| 04:02.30 | m000k | drive* |
| 04:03.04 | mfrisch | m000k try hdb |
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| 04:03.25 | crash3m__ | fdisk -l |
| 04:03.39 | mtnman | m000k: that would be cfdisk /dev/hdb. or fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
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| 04:04.51 | mfrisch | m000k did you install this in the first place? |
| 04:05.15 | m000k | hmm |
| 04:05.20 | madradrone | what packages would it be meaningful to build with apt-build? |
| 04:05.26 | ton | i would like to have debian , where can i get it ? |
| 04:05.35 | m000k | said hdb1 has freeBSD on it |
| 04:05.39 | mtnman | ton: http://debian.org |
| 04:05.46 | ton | ok |
| 04:05.46 | nvz | ton: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 04:06.22 | mfrisch | m000k does it? |
| 04:06.22 | m000k | but if I boot this hdd in my windows box it boots up in debian just fine. |
| 04:06.29 | m000k | I don't understand. |
| 04:06.42 | madradrone | ton: you can download a net install CD, install the minimun necessary to get the system up, the upgrade/install more via the 'net |
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| 04:07.09 | Guerin | madradrone: if you don't know, none. |
| 04:07.17 | mtnman | m000k: check the boot order of your bios. |
| 04:07.29 | m000k | ? |
| 04:07.46 | Guerin | madradrone: kernel and lib6c account for the vast majority of arch-dependent optimisation, and custom builds of those are already available |
| 04:07.52 | madradrone | Guerin: yeah just wondering if there was some great benefit to building something vs. the i386 compiled version |
| 04:07.53 | Guerin | s/6c/c6/ |
| 04:08.00 | Guerin | madradrone: generally not. |
| 04:08.11 | madradrone | Guerin: yep i use libc-686 already... |
| 04:08.28 | mtnman | m000k: since the drive boots in another machine, perhaps you should do so, and recover your data from there. |
| 04:08.29 | madradrone | libc6-i686 that is.. |
| 04:08.33 | cddesjar | you know i've never noticed a performance difference between a 386 and 686 kernel on my inspiron |
| 04:08.35 | Guerin | some people have reported speedups when building mplayer from source, but there are other factors at work there |
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| 04:08.49 | enveezee | Guerin: and you are by no means useless. its just about knowing your role. If you noticed when I was talking about it earlier.. you are on the canidate list, I am not. |
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| 04:09.04 | Guerin | enveezee: wtf is this candidate list? |
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| 04:09.32 | enveezee | Guerin: right now its just people who are here a lot, and during times we could use more coverage |
| 04:09.52 | enveezee | Guerin: potential canidates for the interest of furthering #d :P |
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| 04:10.03 | cddesjar | can't you get mplayer from the marillat repository too? |
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| 04:10.16 | enveezee | s/the interest of furthering/furthering the interest of/ |
| 04:10.24 | Guerin | enveezee: what's that in non-marketroidese? |
| 04:10.39 | mtnman | enveezee: wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:10.43 | m000k | yeah, but i only have console mode installed only and i only have two computers.. i don't really know how to do that heh. |
| 04:11.00 | enveezee | mtnman: guerin /msg me while I was asleep :P |
| 04:11.24 | mtnman | enveezee: and there is relevence between that and something? |
| 04:11.51 | enveezee | mtnman: I am trying to find people who are here a lot to play important roles in improving #d both as catalysts and possibly as probationary ops |
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| 04:12.22 | Guerin | enveezee: oh ... so this is something you're doing... not something people with any say are doing? |
| 04:12.25 | mtnman | enveezee: do you have some kind of authority to do so, or even suggest something of the sort? |
| 04:12.34 | dabaR | thanks^ |
| 04:12.43 | Guerin | madradrone: anyone can suggest anything they like. |
| 04:12.46 | Guerin | mtnman: |
| 04:12.52 | enveezee | Guerin: I am not doing shit yet.. just keeping track of where we are lacking and who can fill in.. I am not going to hunt down EE without some kind of plan |
| 04:13.16 | mtnman | enveezee: you may not be doing shit, but you certainly are talking it. |
| 04:13.24 | enveezee | mtnman: ;) |
| 04:13.41 | enveezee | mtnman: talking shit is the first step. we were b.s.ing about it earlier when nothing was going on |
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| 04:15.20 | enveezee | I will be around as nvz tonight if I get that IRC worknig from the cell phone. if not I will have to work on setting up an HTTP WAP-to-IRC gateway on my box |
| 04:15.35 | enveezee | I had it working a little bit earlier.. but I broke it |
| 04:15.47 | mtnman | enveezee: perhaps you should use your cell phone to call someone who cares. |
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| 04:15.49 | enveezee | I am out the door to work right now :p |
| 04:16.00 | enveezee | mtnman: heh |
| 04:16.11 | cddesjar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.17 | cddesjar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.38 | fbi | !pal cddesjar |
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| 04:17.10 | magyar | is there a way to initiate a "kernel build" from a ssh console and log out and still have the "build" process running? |
| 04:17.22 | mtnman | magyar: use screen. |
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| 04:17.41 | cddesjar | national security agency? wierd... |
| 04:18.21 | mtnman | magyar: apt-get install screen. start a shell inside of screen and do your build there. you can then detach/reattach. |
| 04:18.43 | Guerin | enveezee: where is that implied? |
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| 04:19.14 | mtnman | guerin: save your breath. |
| 04:19.20 | enveezee | Guerin: well he clearly doesnt care :P |
| 04:19.25 | enveezee | I dont know about you :P |
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| 04:19.45 | magyar | mtnman: what i do is ssh into a remote server and initilize a build process that takes 3 hours or so. If i "bg" the process and logout the build dies :( |
| 04:20.05 | doleyb | !tell magyar about screen |
| 04:20.07 | Guerin | magyar: man screen |
| 04:20.09 | mtnman | magyar: i did not say to use bg. i said to use screen. i told you how to do it. |
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| 04:20.54 | magyar | mtnman: got it |
| 04:20.59 | mtnman | magyar: there was a tutorial on screen listed in the front page of slashdot yesterday. perhaps you could read that for more info. |
| 04:21.23 | magyar | mtnman: thanks |
| 04:21.31 | mtnman | welcome. |
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| 04:21.53 | chapium | anyone here have luck with getting linux to galavant about the network while being a vmware guest? |
| 04:21.59 | sciboy | How do i discover the PID of a program? |
| 04:22.04 | chapium | i ping and i get nothing |
| 04:22.15 | psychonate | sciboy, ps -e ? |
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| 04:22.37 | sciboy | psychonate: That helps. =) |
| 04:22.45 | psychonate | sciboy, pipe to grep if you need |
| 04:22.54 | mtnman | chapium: perhaps #vmware can help you. |
| 04:23.12 | sciboy | ... Just found a whole list of processes i thought i killed. =| |
| 04:23.12 | psychonate | sciboy, what do you need the PID for? Kill? |
| 04:23.20 | psychonate | ah |
| 04:23.46 | sciboy | I knew that cpu temp of 72C was coming from somewhere... |
| 04:23.59 | psychonate | holy moses |
| 04:24.06 | psychonate | that seems rather high |
| 04:24.11 | mtnman | what is 72c in f? |
| 04:24.18 | psychonate | my CPU is running at 47C |
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| 04:24.47 | psychonate | If my CPU hit 60C, I'd be getting suspicious heh |
| 04:25.06 | psychonate | s/suspicious/cautious |
| 04:25.11 | bucky | 74 is the recommended limit for athlon |
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| 04:25.15 | bucky | or some |
| 04:25.17 | mtnman | psychonate: nervous? |
| 04:25.17 | sciboy | psychonate: I'm not sure if i should be trusting my CPU temp sensor, this is a laptop and everytime i do something CPU intensive, it just jumps. |
| 04:25.27 | psychonate | mtnman, that'll do ;) |
| 04:25.29 | sciboy | psychonate: Too quickly for it to be legitimate. |
| 04:25.46 | psychonate | I don't know anything about laptops, so I can't say |
| 04:26.01 | sciboy | psychonate: From 33C to 72 in 3 seconds? I don't think so. |
| 04:27.16 | sciboy | psychonate: Although i have been considering getting one of those PCMCIA fan coolers. |
| 04:28.08 | psychonate | I'm not lucky enough to own a laptop heh |
| 04:29.40 | MrNaz | sciboy thats not unreasnable if its actually measuring the core temperature |
| 04:30.03 | sciboy | MrNaz: But at what stage should i be worried? |
| 04:30.09 | MrNaz | cpus go from ambient to 50 about 3 seconds after bootup |
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| 04:30.17 | mtnman | sciboy: sometime before the case melts. |
| 04:30.18 | MrNaz | just put your finger on a naked cpu and turn the pc on |
| 04:30.37 | MrNaz | sciboy prolly wouldnt want it to go much higher than 70 |
| 04:30.47 | sciboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.47 | sciboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.47 | Wyzard | Don't do that on a processor which doesn't support thermal throttling! |
| 04:31.12 | MrNaz | sciboy if thats teh core temperature, then thats fine... if its the case's internal air temp its horrendous |
| 04:32.25 | sciboy | ... That smell of burning plastic better not be my laptop. |
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| 04:33.31 | sciboy | Um, first things first, i want to get my fan working overtime. |
| 04:33.34 | M_Cheevy | sounds like life sucks for Wyzard... intel or amd? |
| 04:33.50 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: AMD... old Thunderbird which doesn't do throttling |
| 04:33.51 | mtnman | sciboy: toshutils |
| 04:34.14 | M_Cheevy | Wyzards: you're sol dude... saw the video of one of those catching fire on tom's hardware |
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| 04:34.45 | Wyzard | It's OK, I turned off the power and let it cool down, and it still works |
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| 04:34.54 | mtnman | sciboy: toshutils and/or toshset |
| 04:35.16 | Wyzard | I know it still works fine because that's a Gentoo box and I did a world rebuild immediately afterward :-) |
| 04:35.26 | M_Cheevy | so folks... managed to hobble together a bootable sata raid system using debootstrap, wget and aptitude.. needless to say my system is a mess, no hostname, no networking, nada.. so how do I get debian-installer to run now? and don't say from the CD... |
| 04:36.01 | mtnman | m_cheevy: well, cd is the usual method. |
| 04:36.03 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: The installation guide's section on debootstrap tells you all the things you need to do after the debootstrap finishes |
| 04:36.05 | M_Cheevy | Wyzard: worked for that time.. once the sucker's overheated it's not too stable... kinda like a miata... |
| 04:36.07 | sciboy | mtnman: I'm using ACPI, not APM. |
| 04:36.20 | mtnman | sciboy: toshset |
| 04:36.33 | M_Cheevy | Wyzard: one sec, double checking... didn't see anything on debootstrap on the online version of the install manual |
| 04:36.36 | sciboy | mtnman: Didn't work. |
| 04:36.51 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: The section is titled "installing Debian from another Unix OS" or something like that |
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| 04:37.51 | mtnman | magyar: sick in a good way? |
| 04:38.04 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: I've had similar incidents with other processors in the past, btw, and never seen any lasting damage... old Thunderbirds are apparently fairly resilient |
| 04:38.05 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: got it here, thanks... |
| 04:38.08 | magyar | mtnman: uh-huh...it rocks |
| 04:38.14 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: nothing too good yet |
| 04:38.16 | mtnman | magyar: yes, it does. |
| 04:38.35 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: The system I'm using right now had that happen several years ago, in fact, when the motherboard randomly decided to stop providing power to the fan headers |
| 04:39.19 | sciboy | mtnman: Anyway, i just echoed "force_on: 1" to /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan |
| 04:39.20 | mboso | anyone know a program for making cd labels? (besides glabels) |
| 04:39.30 | mtnman | sciboy: okay then. |
| 04:39.35 | magyar | mtnman: i think i'll be ninty and still learning new commands :) |
| 04:39.45 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: hope the baby isn't mission critical... I wouldn't risk it myself |
| 04:39.58 | mtnman | magyar: if you stop learning, you might as well be dead. |
| 04:40.08 | magyar | amen |
| 04:40.11 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 04:40.20 | sciboy | Also, the sensor just stops at 76C |
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| 04:40.41 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: yeah.. it's all there.. the basics... would love to have a better installer than aptitude though.. still haven't gotten my x server setup right |
| 04:40.47 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: Nah, just a personal desktop... anyway, the heatsink was still doing its job, so it's not like the chip got scorched |
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| 04:41.16 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: count your blessings.... |
| 04:41.17 | mtnman | m_cheevy: aptitude is a package manager front end. not an installer. |
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| 04:41.55 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: Personally, I don't install anything but the base system during the installer phase anyway |
| 04:42.01 | M_Cheevy | mtnman: exactly.. would prefer to be able to run the debian-installer somehow now that I have a good kernel and initrd |
| 04:42.28 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: had to... had to compile a kernel, make dmraid, dev-mapper, and busybox |
| 04:42.57 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: You can run base-config, from the package of the same name -- that's the stuff that gets run after the reboot step in a "normal" installation |
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| 04:43.29 | M_Cheevy | wyz: cool, that's what I was after.... |
| 04:43.30 | nekostar | hum |
| 04:43.50 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: I understand... my next Debian installation will probably be debootstrap from an Ubuntu liveCD, because I'll be using the LUKS support in Ubuntu's cryptsetup to install onto an encrypted partition |
| 04:43.54 | M_Cheevy | wyz: this sh*t's a bit more complicated than when I started with good ole Slackware 1 |
| 04:44.09 | mfrisch | Wyzard wyz are you peeing |
| 04:44.25 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Why would I be talking on IRC while peeing? |
| 04:44.31 | floundering | when using dpkg-buildpackage should I manually edit the /debian/rules file to add the required extra argumnets when ../confugure is called?? |
| 04:44.35 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: would love to have had a choice but these damn software raids |
| 04:45.26 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: The next version of the installer will hopefully support dmraid... but I prefer Linux's software RAID implementation anyway, with the caveat that /boot needs to be on a separate drive |
| 04:45.38 | mfrisch | Wyzard you wouldn't "whz" |
| 04:45.47 | Wyzard | mfrisch: lol :-) |
| 04:46.04 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: yeap, a) don't have a seperate drive, b) also run 3 different windows os's |
| 04:46.12 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 04:46.31 | M_Cheevy | as it is I had to trash system commander for grub as a boot loader.. lost quite a few features |
| 04:46.57 | M_Cheevy | not bloody happy bout that (not grub's fault, syscom's fault) |
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| 04:47.07 | Wyzard | You could put GRUB in a partition's bootsector rather than the MBR, and chain-load it from System Commander |
| 04:47.15 | sciboy | But anyway, if my laptop's temperature reaches dangerous levels, my BIOS should be smart enough to power off, right? |
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| 04:47.33 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: that's what I used to do, but SysCom doesn't want to recognise the linux partition as bootable |
| 04:48.10 | Wyzard | Toggle its bootable flag in the partition table? |
| 04:48.10 | M_Cheevy | used to do = prior to going raid |
| 04:48.20 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: didn't make a bit of diff |
| 04:48.22 | obtix | ok, so i followed the instructions at: http://www.howtoforge.com/nic_bonding to bond my ethernet cards when i go to bring the card up i get the following error "SIOCSIFHWADDR: No such device; Failed to bring up bond0." any ideas? |
| 04:48.30 | Wyzard | Silly syscom :-) |
| 04:48.46 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do i delet all the files apt has stored up from installing programs |
| 04:48.46 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: ancient syscom.. version 7 |
| 04:48.57 | Wyzard | Why not upgrade it? |
| 04:49.09 | mtnman | linuxnit-laptop: apt-get clean |
| 04:49.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks |
| 04:49.25 | M_Cheevy | $$s and haven't found a d/l site -- lost touch with the warez thang and don't have the energy to get back into it |
| 04:49.25 | mtnman | welcome |
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| 04:49.47 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT-laptop: All that really does is remove all the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives, btw |
| 04:50.01 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yeah thats what i wanted |
| 04:50.03 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: Ah... well, GRUB is Free and therefore better anyway :-) |
| 04:50.14 | LinuxNIT-laptop | runnin low on room :) |
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| 04:50.32 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: but I can hide partitions per OS with SysCom.. nice when you're running an index server |
| 04:50.54 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: GRUB has hide/unhide commands, though I haven't used them myself |
| 04:50.58 | blanky | hey guys, I changed my sources.list to 'testing', ran apt-upgrade and it downloaded 370 something packages, but KDE still isn't upgraded from 3.3 :"( |
| 04:51.13 | M_Cheevy | Linux: image how I felt starting off with a 10MB HD system back in 85 |
| 04:51.13 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: But you could put them in the script associated with a particular boot entry |
| 04:51.58 | mtnman | blanky: is there a question in there someplace? |
| 04:52.00 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: grub supports hiding partitions? SysCom did it by temporarily toggling the partition type code |
| 04:52.09 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: That's what GRUB does too |
| 04:52.13 | blanky | mtnman, yeah lol, how can I upgrade from 3.3 to latest |
| 04:52.43 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: whoa.. time to rtfm again... if I can get man working |
| 04:52.59 | Wyzard | M_Cheevy: I think even LILO can do that |
| 04:53.20 | Wyzard | though I could be wrong |
| 04:53.26 | blanky | mtnman, please can you help me :'( |
| 04:53.34 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: remember, I cut my teeth on slackware 1... kernel 0.0.99.. something have been upgraded that I haven't been following ;) |
| 04:53.54 | M_Cheevy | er somethings |
| 04:53.54 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:54.03 | mtnman | blanky: well, a new version of kde was just released, but i'm sure it hasn't been included in debian yet. i don't run kde, so i'm really not the person to ask. i believe there is a #debian-kde channel. |
| 04:54.18 | blanky | okay, but 3.3 for sure isn't laatest |
| 04:54.28 | M_Cheevy | hell, I even remember having to setup xconfig manually... with a calculator and a shop manual for my monitor |
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| 04:55.01 | Wyzard | You've been around longer than I have... I started with Red Hat 4, and then Debian 2.0 |
| 04:55.14 | Wyzard | I do remember reading ESR's guide to writing X modes, though |
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| 04:55.27 | M_Cheevy | Wyz: I was a beta tester for RedHat's Caldera product which became Corel Linux for a bit |
| 04:55.36 | mtnman | wyzard: slink? |
| 04:55.42 | mrhyd3 | I need some help on compiling DCCPROC # dcc-dccproc-1.3.23# ./configure --with-uid=amavis && make |
| 04:55.43 | Wyzard | mtnman: hamm |
| 04:55.53 | mrhyd3 | look for sendmail milter library in ./../sendmail/obj.Linux.2.6.8-2-686.i686 |
| 04:55.53 | mrhyd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.53 | loopdee | kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "2.4.27" instead of "2.4.27-2-k7" you might need to adjust your symlinks ... what should i do? |
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| 04:56.18 | M_Cheevy | welp folks.. pizza definately beckons now... |
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| 04:56.23 | mfrisch | mrhyd3 get sendmails dev deb |
| 04:56.32 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: you might want to get the modules that match that kernel version |
| 04:56.33 | Wyzard | I've thought about installing it again in VMware just to see how different it is |
| 04:56.35 | mtnman | wyzard: that was the first one i successfully installed. i'd been trying to get bo installed, but for some reason, when i did, it was missing some important stuff... like a shutdown command. |
| 04:56.39 | takeshipwnedyou | hi all, i have (i think) an ALSA problem. Debian (Sarge, Kernel 2.6) can't find my sound hardware (via ac'97 onboard) |
| 04:56.54 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: I'm running a kernel with the wrong modules versions? |
| 04:56.57 | mrhyd3 | mfrish: if I apt-get sendmail, will it not break postfix that's installed? |
| 04:57.02 | M_Cheevy | Take: have you rebuilt the kernel to include support for it? |
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| 04:57.17 | cddesjar | takeshipwnedyou: have you run alsaconf? |
| 04:57.17 | fbi | the 2.6 kernel has alsa soundcard drivers built in. |
| 04:57.18 | mtnman | wyzard: i'm pretty sure i have a drive around somewhere that will boot to hamm. |
| 04:57.31 | bucky | takeshipwnedyou: did you upgrade your install kernel |
| 04:57.32 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: would have imagined the kernel pkg would have included the modules but sometimes they are packaged separately. |
| 04:57.43 | Wyzard | mtnman: My first UNIX experience ever was installing NetBSD on a Mac Quadra 610 and finding out that pretty much everything, including "ls", segfaulted |
| 04:57.53 | cddesjar | takeshipwnedyou: do you have alsa installed? |
| 04:57.58 | mfrisch | mrhyd3 you want the mail server you are using's dev files |
| 04:58.00 | mtnman | mrhyd3: sendmail and postfix conflict. you can't install both from the package manager. |
| 04:58.25 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: nice... :) |
| 04:58.26 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: most kernels are built now with support for modules not compiled for that specific kernel, you should be okay for a bit, but see if you can get the module package |
| 04:58.43 | cddesjar | when was hamm released? |
| 04:58.44 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: okay |
| 04:58.45 | takeshipwnedyou | my bad, i forgot to run alsaconf....i did many complicated things, trying to fix it...at the beginning of the week i didn't even know how to compile an autoconf source tarball.... |
| 04:58.45 | mrhyd3 | thats correct, but when im tryuing to compile DCC for amavis/spamassassin, it bombs...I have postfix installed..but the DCC compile says Im missing sendmail devs |
| 04:58.51 | mtnman | !hamm |
| 04:58.51 | dpkg | hmm... hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 04:58.54 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: when in trouble or in doubt, rebuild your kernel |
| 04:59.00 | cddesjar | wow..that's pretty old |
| 04:59.09 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: it's not as bad as it sounds |
| 04:59.26 | mtnman | cddesjar: you must be pretty young |
| 04:59.29 | cddesjar | can you still find .iso for hamm on debian.org? |
| 04:59.29 | bucky | takeshipwnedyou: blacklist the oss modules ac97 |
| 04:59.37 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: im trying to , all for ati drivers, maybe i should recompile the kernel just because |
| 04:59.39 | cddesjar | mtnman: well 7 years in the computer world is old |
| 04:59.43 | M_Cheevy | welp... 10" pepperoni and sausage is calling |
| 04:59.43 | bucky | cddesjar: yes |
| 04:59.48 | Wyzard | cddesjar: I installed it after I told the network admin at my high school I was using Red Hat and he suggested I try Debian (including telnetting to his home system to show me dselect) |
| 05:00.01 | mtnman | cddesjar: not compared to running fortran programs on punchcards. |
| 05:00.02 | loopdee | go eat your pizza... i'm hungry toooo |
| 05:00.04 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: a custom kernel is always better... just RTFM before you start |
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| 05:00.12 | loopdee | rtfm... hmm ?? |
| 05:00.16 | cddesjar | mtnman: ha ha...very true |
| 05:00.17 | M_Cheevy | RTFM = read the f*ckin' manual |
| 05:00.25 | bucky | cddesjar: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
| 05:00.26 | vulture | Wyzard: 'telnet'.. 'dselect'.. (ok, dselect's not quite so bad as telnet.. but y'know) |
| 05:00.28 | M_Cheevy | er fine manual |
| 05:00.28 | loopdee | heh |
| 05:00.29 | vulture | :) |
| 05:00.29 | jongkyu | read the fine manual. |
| 05:00.54 | M_Cheevy | welp folks.. catch y'all later.. cheers from kiwi land |
| 05:01.03 | Wyzard | vulture: apt-get didn't exist yet, at the time |
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| 05:01.09 | mrhyd3 | thanks guys, I got it working...just did a apt-get install libmilter-dev |
| 05:01.17 | Wyzard | vulture: SSH might not have either; I'm not sure about that |
| 05:01.21 | mtnman | wyzard: ah the nostalgia of dselect |
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| 05:01.40 | cddesjar | can someone point me to a link that explains the number for the debian releases? |
| 05:01.46 | mfrisch | mtnman still use it over hear... |
| 05:01.46 | cddesjar | s number/numbering |
| 05:01.49 | takeshipwnedyou | how do i go about blacklisting the oss thing? |
| 05:01.50 | mfrisch | here |
| 05:01.54 | Wyzard | cddesjar: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 05:02.13 | cddesjar | thanks |
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| 05:03.44 | mtnman | i would imaging that lots of newbies got scared away by being dropped into dselect at the end of the installation process, rather than tasksel, or whatever it is now. |
| 05:03.45 | mfrisch | mtnman haven't gottin use to aptitude and I like things that work well. I use apt-get. Except for the main install |
| 05:04.10 | mtnman | mfrisch: use apt-get myself. |
| 05:04.11 | cddesjar | so would etch be 3.2 or 4.0 when it's released? |
| 05:04.30 | mtnman | cddesjar: i don't think it has been yet decided. |
| 05:04.30 | Wyzard | mtnman: I dunno... I never liked tasksel because it would install a bunch of stuff on my system and I didn't know what most of it was or whether I needed it... I preferred to run dselect and just select the things I wanted |
| 05:04.40 | mtnman | wyazrd: i never use it myself. |
| 05:04.47 | cddesjar | mtnman: so there isn't a systematic way in which they number the releases? |
| 05:04.48 | mfrisch | dselect use to scare me I came in around 1999. |
| 05:05.20 | mtnman | cddesjar: well, it depends on the release. |
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| 05:05.25 | nvz | !test |
| 05:05.25 | dpkg | Sorry, nvz, I didn't get your test. |
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| 05:06.49 | cddesjar | mtnman: what would constitute a jump to 4.0 rather than just a 3.2 or is it pretty arbitrary? |
| 05:06.58 | mtnman | cddesjar: you can browse the archives of debian-devel to read the discussion of how they decided to number the past releases. |
| 05:07.11 | cddesjar | ok...i'll check that out |
| 05:07.18 | cddesjar | it's interesting |
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| 05:07.39 | Wyzard | cddesjar: There was some talk about calling sarge 4.0, but the 3.1 number had already been used in enough places (someone was writing a book about sarge, for example) that it wasn't practical |
| 05:08.11 | linux_man19 | como eu acesso a sala em portugues??? |
| 05:08.19 | mtnman | !br |
| 05:08.19 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:09.06 | takeshipwnedyou | how do i blacklist ossac97? |
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| 05:09.51 | Guerin | takeshipwnedyou: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 05:10.56 | bucky | takeshipwnedyou: echo ac97 >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 05:12.09 | mfrisch | I loaded my radio tuner card mod and I donot have /dev/radio ? |
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| 05:13.47 | peterS | mfrisch: are you using udev? if not, 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV radio' |
| 05:14.22 | falkon | valdyn: finally got that kernel working, about to boot into it. thanks for your help |
| 05:14.25 | mfrisch | peterS yes to udev...or I would have tried MAKEDEV |
| 05:14.28 | falkon | stew: same to you |
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| 05:16.20 | Nigel_ | something is seriously messed up with TCP/IP networking, /dev, kernels, and everything else on this box of mine |
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| 05:17.11 | Nigel_ | (This is the 4th clean install today that has been messed up somehow)\ |
| 05:17.37 | mfrisch | Nigel_ wipe your disk |
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| 05:18.01 | Wyzard | Nigel_: What sort of problems? |
| 05:18.42 | Wyzard | Nigel_: If things are failing at random, it could be a hardware problem |
| 05:18.44 | loopdee | should i install kernel-headers package to recompile the kernel? or just kernel source? what is the headers package for? |
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| 05:18.57 | Nigel_ | Wyzard ya i'm starting to think that |
| 05:19.05 | Wyzard | loopdee: The headers package is for compiling third-party modules (such as nvidia-kernel) for use with a precompiled kernel |
| 05:19.30 | loopdee | Wyzard: as well as ati-kernel or fglrx? |
| 05:19.35 | Wyzard | loopdee: That too |
| 05:19.38 | loopdee | k |
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| 05:20.10 | Wyzard | loopdee: On the other hand, if you compile a custom kernel using a kernel-source package, you compile third-party modules using the source directory from which you built your kernel |
| 05:20.16 | Nigel_ | boots, can dist-upgrade, use it a bit, then bang, internet connect seems to have ADD, eth0 doesn't come up (even though it's perfectly configured) and next reboot /dev does mad and won't allow X to start |
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| 05:20.26 | falkon | yay for new kernels |
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| 05:20.36 | Nigel_ | use it a bit = play a game or something in gnome |
| 05:20.37 | loopdee | Wyzard: i see... lots of thinking for me to do :) |
| 05:20.44 | mtnman | nigel_: try a different ethercard |
| 05:21.00 | Nigel_ | (dist-upgrade is done from a working disk) |
| 05:21.25 | bucky | Nigel_: is udev installed? |
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| 05:21.26 | Nigel_ | (Internet Connection is via modem - but even when setting gateway through this computer it fails) |
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| 05:21.52 | Nigel_ | bucky it is, but i'm using 2.6.8 so it won't start ;) |
| 05:21.52 | Wyzard | Nigel_: memtest86 will stress-test your RAM and the parts of your motherboard involved in accessing it |
| 05:22.36 | Nigel_ | actually i think it could be my motherboard |
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| 05:22.56 | Nigel_ | cos i got a couple of error messages talking about too many ticks etc (unreliable timesource etc) |
| 05:22.59 | roler | are they going to have quake 4 for linux? |
| 05:23.13 | Wyzard | Probably |
| 05:23.20 | Wyzard | It's likely already available |
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| 05:23.37 | Wyzard | Look on id's FTP site |
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| 05:24.04 | Wyzard | (You download the installer from the FTP site, and copy the data files from the retail CD) |
| 05:24.14 | Wyzard | At least, that's how it worked for Quake3 |
| 05:24.59 | roler | ya |
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| 05:25.32 | Nigel_ | Wyzard which do you recommend memtest86 or memtest86+ |
| 05:25.43 | dampjam | My server currently is running mysql 4.0.2... people have requested some features in 4.1... would an apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 upgrade everything cleanly, keeping all the databases intact? |
| 05:25.51 | Wyzard | Nigel_: I use memtest86+, but it probably doesn't make any difference for most purposes |
| 05:25.56 | dampjam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.23 | Nigel_ | lets see how much fun we can have with it.... |
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| 05:28.55 | cddesjar | !info mysql sarge |
| 05:30.15 | cddesjar | dampjam: i would imagine since you are trying to pull in a sid package...are you running sarge? |
| 05:30.41 | dampjam | cddesjar: I am running sarge... the package mysql-server-4.1 is in the sarge repositary |
| 05:30.53 | cddesjar | !info mysql-server sarge |
| 05:30.58 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 3559 kB, Installed size: 8604 kB |
| 05:31.04 | cddesjar | it's 4.0.2 |
| 05:31.10 | dampjam | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 05:31.10 | cddesjar | 4.1 is in sid |
| 05:31.15 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.11a-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 14214 kB, Installed size: 30420 kB |
| 05:31.18 | dampjam | so there :) |
| 05:31.26 | cddesjar | wierd |
| 05:31.32 | Nigel_ | dampjam upgrades for mysql... you'd be best to go to mysql.com and see what they say about upgrading |
| 05:31.55 | dampjam | ok... I did a db dump and nobody is on the server right now... I figure I'll be safe downloading if there are major problems |
| 05:32.57 | roler | thanks |
| 05:33.03 | cddesjar | i think my cat is retarded |
| 05:33.37 | cddesjar | it keeps eating tin foil and paper |
| 05:35.20 | bucky | cddesjar: it keeps the aliens from reading his mind |
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| 05:35.39 | Nigel_ | cddesjar maybe the tin foil smells like steak, and the paper smells like biscuits |
| 05:35.54 | Nigel_ | and maybe it is blind and tasteless and doesn't realise? |
| 05:35.57 | cddesjar | bucky: it's probably true...she looks at the wall and starts running at it for no apparent reason |
| 05:36.23 | cddesjar | i think the tin foil must make it hallucinate |
| 05:36.47 | bucky | your cat is an addict |
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| 05:38.52 | kathleen | x! |
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| 05:39.11 | cddesjar | kathleen: do you mean !x? |
| 05:39.27 | kathleen | how do I make this x to use 1024 in stead of 800x600? |
| 05:39.49 | kathleen | i know that the monitor does 1024x768! |
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| 05:39.55 | cddesjar | kathleen: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:40.13 | zignig | kathleen: try ctr-alt and + on the numpad |
| 05:40.30 | kathleen | no... can i tell x to use a speciffic rezolution? |
| 05:40.37 | cddesjar | kathleen: what's your video chip? i use to have to grab a patch to get proper resolution with my intel 845 chip |
| 05:40.50 | cddesjar | kathleen: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:41.05 | bsims | how long does it take for a bug to show up on the bug list? |
| 05:41.12 | kathleen | the key sequence does not work... is that the sam as uing the resolution uitility? |
| 05:41.45 | kathleen | cddesjar - I have an Nvidia card... |
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| 05:42.01 | kathleen | do i need to get the comercial drivers? |
| 05:42.18 | zignig | bsims: if it not already there add it in , use 'reportbug' |
| 05:42.48 | cddesjar | kathleen: i've never used nvidia...but i'm sure someone here can help...i think you need to get the drivers from nvidia |
| 05:42.50 | zignig | kathleen: to get 3d yes, but normal 2d nope. |
| 05:42.51 | bsims | zignig: I did and it's not shown up in 24hrs thats why I was asking |
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| 05:43.35 | zignig | bsims: ah , I think they get queued , so as not to fill up with spam ;) |
| 05:45.13 | Nigel_ | Wyzard running memtest now |
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| 05:46.14 | foo | I get this when trying to install opera: E: Package opera has no installation candidate .. somethings borked on my system. I get the same thing when trying to install k3b. Any ideas? I've had those apps before.. something happened. |
| 05:46.38 | kathleen | ok thank you all... ! I used the dpkg reconfigure and it allowed me to define valuse... |
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| 05:47.09 | Nigel_ | foo that on amd64? |
| 05:47.16 | foo | Nigel_: Nope, sarge. |
| 05:47.53 | cddesjar | alright...my first thank you |
| 05:47.57 | Nigel_ | errrr i think you missed my meaning, are you using the amd64 bit port of debian |
| 05:48.00 | Covener | I'm seeing whenever I apply pcap capture filters, no data comes through during the tcpdump -- possibly new in 2.6.14. Ring a bell for anyone? |
| 05:48.05 | Nigel_ | well a non i386 |
| 05:48.12 | nvz | yay :) |
| 05:48.21 | Nigel_ | (i actually mean non x86 |
| 05:49.01 | mtnman | foo: opera is not in debian. k3b is, so i assume you don't have /etc/sources.list configured properly. |
| 05:49.23 | mtnman | cddesjar: thank you for the visual. please stop. |
| 05:49.23 | foo | Nigel_: No |
| 05:49.27 | cddesjar | foo: are you running testing? |
| 05:49.36 | cddesjar | ;) ok |
| 05:49.39 | foo | cddesjar: sarge when it was testing .. so yes, testing |
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| 05:49.56 | cddesjar | foo: so your repositories say testing? |
| 05:50.00 | foo | cddesjar: Yes |
| 05:50.10 | cddesjar | foo: i've heard that k3b is currently not in testing |
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| 05:50.27 | nvz | a shiny shit :) |
| 05:50.27 | cddesjar | i've gleaned that info from others here |
| 05:50.29 | Nigel_ | !info k3b etch |
| 05:50.44 | foo | cddesjar: uh, I had it. Unless they recently removed it |
| 05:50.50 | Nigel_ | <dpkg> Package 'k3b' does not exist. |
| 05:50.56 | foo | !info k3b sarge |
| 05:50.59 | dpkg | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.11.20-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2231 kB, Installed size: 4740 kB |
| 05:51.00 | cddesjar | foo: i think it was recently removed because of dependency issues |
| 05:51.02 | Nigel_ | (got that in PM) |
| 05:51.07 | foo | cddesjar: hmm |
| 05:51.09 | cddesjar | foo: it should be back soon |
| 05:51.17 | foo | cddesjar: What happened to opera? |
| 05:51.20 | cddesjar | foo: it isn't mature enough yet |
| 05:51.22 | nvz | now i need a keyboard. |
| 05:51.27 | mtnman | !opera |
| 05:51.27 | cddesjar | i.e. not 10 days old?!? |
| 05:51.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 6 for Linux is out and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or at 'deb http://www.opera.com/debian potato non-free', or that deb line is reported to be maybe broken. go poke around the site. go full screen mode and right click> show menu bar> [and avoid the ads] damn nice browser, especially under the ... |
| 05:52.02 | cddesjar | foo: you'll have to wait a bit for k3b...try every couple of days |
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| 05:52.33 | nvz | !say nvz: test |
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| 05:52.36 | dpkg | nvz: test |
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| 05:53.06 | cddesjar | foo: i know nothing about opera |
| 05:53.29 | nvz | :( no hilight. |
| 05:53.37 | foo | I mean, unstable |
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| 05:54.32 | foo | cddesjar: Nope |
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| 05:55.07 | Flimzy | Who needs unstable? hamm works just fine for me!! |
| 05:55.22 | cddesjar | Flimzy: are you really on hamm? |
| 05:55.26 | Flimzy | hehe, no |
| 05:55.26 | foo | What is hamm? |
| 05:55.33 | Flimzy | foo: stable from about 3 decades ago |
| 05:55.36 | foo | rofl. |
| 05:55.38 | Flimzy | version 1.3, IIRC |
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| 05:55.51 | mtnman | crack |
| 05:56.01 | cddesjar | !crack |
| 05:56.01 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 05:56.06 | Flimzy | They should name a version of Debian 'pot' |
| 05:56.12 | Flimzy | Ceritanly there was a real pot in Toy Story somewhere.... |
| 05:56.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:56.47 | Nigel_ | !hamm |
| 05:56.47 | dpkg | [hamm] Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 05:56.57 | valdyn | !bo |
| 05:56.58 | dpkg | hmm... bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 05:57.12 | Flimzy | !slink |
| 05:57.12 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 05:57.24 | Flimzy | hrm... what was before bo? |
| 05:57.25 | cddesjar | what was 1.2? |
| 05:57.28 | Flimzy | !1.2 |
| 05:57.30 | valdyn | !rex |
| 05:57.30 | dpkg | rex is, like, the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
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| 05:57.40 | Flimzy | I think bo was my first distro, then |
| 05:57.56 | Flimzy | before bo, I was using "Slackware 96" |
| 05:58.05 | brianP | hi could someone ping my ip (24.214.104.130) to see if it is responding ? |
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| 05:58.18 | Nigel_ | hahaha, Slackware tried windows naming? |
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| 05:58.29 | Flimzy | Nigel_: I think that was fairly shortlived. |
| 05:58.32 | valdyn | brianP: 64 bytes from 24.214.104.130: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=283 ms |
| 05:58.35 | cddesjar | i hear a rumor that opera has gotten rid of it's annoying ads? |
| 05:58.44 | Flimzy | Nigel_: Windows 95 was still "the new thing" and not everybody was naming things after the release year yet |
| 05:58.49 | brianP | valdyn, ah cool ok thanks |
| 05:58.49 | itp560 | anyone is using squidGuard ? |
| 05:59.06 | Nigel_ | i guess it made people feel they had the latest and greatest |
| 05:59.11 | Flimzy | !tell itp560 about ask |
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| 05:59.27 | Flimzy | Nigel_: Now to be great, you must be called XP |
| 05:59.32 | cddesjar | foo: have you seen this http://www.opera.com/download/ for opera |
| 05:59.37 | Flimzy | Nigel_: Which is precisley why I don't use Slackware... it's not called "Slackware XP" |
| 05:59.40 | Flimzy | :P |
| 05:59.44 | cddesjar | foo: you can choose etch |
| 05:59.56 | Nigel_ | memtest86 is still going.... 70% no errors yet |
| 06:00.11 | mtnman | flimzy: fork it and call it whatever you like |
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| 06:00.31 | Nigel_ | Flimzy i'm actually on windows xp atm, but my debian installation is somehow borked |
| 06:00.52 | Flimzy | Nigel_: I just nuked XP last night on my brand new Athlon 64 x2 |
| 06:01.02 | Flimzy | And I'm in the process of nuking MacOS X on my brand new PowerBook |
| 06:01.20 | Flimzy | I will be installing W2k on my older XP 2400+, tho.. just so I can play a few games |
| 06:01.20 | Nigel_ | wow Opera is really talk of the network (seen a couple of other channels discuss it now) |
| 06:01.34 | Nigel_ | Flimzy heh |
| 06:01.48 | KoshNaranek | free version still got ads? |
| 06:01.50 | Flimzy | Gotta get the Airport express card working in Linux... fun fun fun |
| 06:02.01 | cddesjar | KoshNaranek: i hear that they don't anymore |
| 06:02.05 | jarango | I added some environment variables at the end of /etc/profile. I can see this variables when I log in but I don't see them after I start X (unsing kconsole). Anyone knows why ? |
| 06:02.10 | cddesjar | KoshNaranek: but i don't and have never run opera |
| 06:02.14 | KoshNaranek | only one way to find out |
| 06:02.33 | wolfjb | I just did an apt-get upgrade and now I'm getting errors telling me to make sure I have the hotplug firmware loader installed. I do have hotplug installed and tried to load hotplug-utils which loaded fxload instead. how can I fix this? |
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| 06:02.44 | wolfjb | this is related to trying to load the zd1211 module |
| 06:02.45 | Flimzy | jarango: konsole probably isn't starting a login shell |
| 06:03.26 | jarango | Flimzy: Thats true, but my variables were exported |
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| 06:03.43 | Flimzy | jarango: That doesn't matter if it's not a login shell. Only a login shell will execute the login scripts. |
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| 06:04.07 | smhar | hi.. I need a little help installing etch via net-install |
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| 06:04.19 | cddesjar | smhar: what's your question? |
| 06:04.21 | jarango | Flimzy: But exported variables are inherited by all proceses |
| 06:04.44 | Flimzy | jarango: Only processes started by the shell. |
| 06:04.45 | smhar | I booted the cd and everything works other than the network card which works fine in winxp and prvious mandrake 10 |
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| 06:05.03 | mtnman | shmar: what card? |
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| 06:05.25 | smhar | built-in intel chipset really |
| 06:05.25 | jarango | Flimzy: like startx, which starts X, which starts KDE, which starts Konsole ? |
| 06:05.26 | KoshNaranek | there's another browser: flock |
| 06:05.35 | mtnman | shmar: tells us nothing |
| 06:05.48 | cddesjar | smhar: lspci |
| 06:05.52 | cddesjar | lpsci |
| 06:06.10 | Flimzy | jarango: startx would understand the variables... but the shell started in KDE is either a login shell or not. if it's not, it doesn't get those variables. |
| 06:06.20 | Flimzy | jarango: Now you can argue with me about it, or you can fix your problem. Which will it be? |
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| 06:06.37 | KoshNaranek | lots of built in social software stuff, with a linux binary, basically a customized firefox. some of the extentions and themes work. i dont know if it's based on 1.0 or 1.5... |
| 06:06.43 | valdyn | !wikifaq jarango DotFiles |
| 06:06.44 | dpkg | jarango: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 06:06.47 | smhar | cddesjar, command not found |
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| 06:07.05 | cddesjar | smhar: for lspci? |
| 06:07.15 | smhar | yes |
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| 06:07.44 | jarango | Flimzy: How can I fix this ? |
| 06:07.51 | Flimzy | jarango: Start a login shell. |
| 06:07.53 | cddesjar | i think the etch netinstall disc has less drivers (?!?) than the sarge net install disc...so you might be better off using a sarge disc and upgrading to etch |
| 06:08.08 | Flimzy | jarango: There's undoubtedly a switch to pass on the konsole commandline to make it a login shell. |
| 06:08.14 | cddesjar | I might be in left field though |
| 06:08.37 | Flimzy | jarango: There might be an option somewhere in the configuration for konsole, too... but I haven't messed with konsole enough to know. |
| 06:08.57 | jarango | Flimzy: I will try that, but I am still curious since I don't understand your explanation. |
| 06:09.21 | cddesjar | ok i'm out goodnight all |
| 06:09.38 | jarango | Flimzy: You said X inherits these ENV variables right ? So why doesn't kconsole ? |
| 06:09.41 | Flimzy | When you start a new shell, it opens a new tty |
| 06:09.53 | Flimzy | jarango: Env vars are generally specific to the tty/shell that's open |
| 06:10.05 | Flimzy | jarango: So each time you open a new one, you have to re-establish your environment variables. |
| 06:10.30 | Flimzy | jarango: For the same reason that when you log in on the conolse on tty1, then hit Alt-F2 and log in again, the env vars aren't inherited to the tty2 |
| 06:10.49 | ricochet | why wont my kdeprintd start? (sid) worked yesterday... |
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| 06:12.00 | Flimzy | ricochet: Did you forget to flush the PRAM? |
| 06:12.14 | ricochet | what? |
| 06:12.50 | Flimzy | ... ask a stupid question, get a stuipd answer :P |
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| 06:16.41 | jarango | Flimzy: alt-F1 and alt-F2 is a different situation since they are probably siblings and siblings do not get env vars of other siblings. My case is different, it strictly involves parent/child relations. Unless I am wrong, everything X-related process will be a desendent of the terminal where I typed "startx". Am I wrong ? |
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| 06:19.02 | doleyb | jarango: test that yourself, run "ps afx|less" |
| 06:19.58 | Flimzy | jarango: You are wrong. |
| 06:20.00 | KoshNaranek | nope |
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| 06:20.09 | KoshNaranek | no ads in the debian binary |
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| 06:20.17 | KoshNaranek | works nice |
| 06:20.18 | Flimzy | jarango: Most people don't start X from a terminal window, anyway. |
| 06:20.35 | Flimzy | jarango: And when you think about it, X starts on a different terminal anyway... usually 7 |
| 06:20.37 | KoshNaranek | some issue about kde stepping on a couple keybindings |
| 06:20.41 | Flimzy | jarango: even with startx |
| 06:21.03 | Rangitoto | While Gnome is running there is a black cross (x) with a white border exactly in the centre of the screen. How can I get rid of it? |
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| 06:22.44 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: Change your wall paper? |
| 06:23.41 | jarango | Flimzy: This is from DotFiles: "fluxbox was created as a child of xinit, which was a child of startx, which was a child of bash, so it inherited pierre's LANG and other environment variables" |
| 06:24.05 | Flimzy | jarango: What is DotFiles? |
| 06:24.34 | jarango | Flimzy: Some link that valdyn sent me: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
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| 06:24.55 | doleyb | Rangitoto: move your mouse? |
| 06:25.22 | Flimzy | jarango: Alright. Then I guess I'm completely wrong. And I guess your shell is actually working right. So forget everything I said. I must not know what I'm talking about. |
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| 06:26.31 | jarango | Flimzy: That's not the point, I am just trying to understand this behavior. I don't really care if I am right or wrong, all I am doing is giving arguments to your explanation |
| 06:27.38 | Rangitoto | doleyb: Moving the mouse doesn't effect the cross. Flimzy suggested that I change the wallpaper. I haven't yest managed to find the part of the help facility which explains how to do that. |
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| 06:28.39 | Flimzy | jarango: There's no law of computer physics that says every child process inherits it's parents environment variables. |
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| 06:28.46 | doleyb | Rangitoto: easy way to change wallpaper, xsetroot -solid darkgreen |
| 06:29.03 | Flimzy | (or more technically, that every child process _pays attention_ to its' parents env vars) |
| 06:29.20 | Flimzy | So it's ultimately up to the author of each program how it handles that |
| 06:29.50 | Flimzy | The simplest explanation, then, is that the author of at least one program between the shell where you typed 'startx', and where you opened 'konsole' chose not to inherit the environment variables. |
| 06:30.17 | jarango | Flimzy: From what I understand if you use the "export" keyword on an ENV var, than that var will be passed to its children |
| 06:30.18 | Flimzy | Now, to me, that seems like perfectly expected, logical, and normal behavior. |
| 06:30.45 | Flimzy | 'export' makes them _available_ to the children |
| 06:30.46 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: I tried that and the cross is still there. |
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| 06:30.54 | Flimzy | (as opposed to 'hiding' them in private space) |
| 06:30.58 | Flimzy | it's still up to the child to care |
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| 06:31.13 | jarango | Flimzy: You could be right on that, one program in between might have passed a subset of var |
| 06:31.14 | jarango | s |
| 06:31.18 | doleyb | Rangitoto: because that cross is the default "busy" mouse cursor symbol. So people who don't have mice will often get it stuck in center forever. |
| 06:31.24 | nekostar | ah there we go |
| 06:31.27 | Flimzy | jarango: that one program is probably the X server. |
| 06:31.28 | nekostar | fake transperancy :D:D |
| 06:31.34 | Flimzy | jarango: And perhaps konsole itself. |
| 06:31.59 | jarango | Flimzy: The funny thing is that this did not happen when I used RedHat |
| 06:32.09 | Flimzy | jarango: I would say, then, that RedHat was broken. |
| 06:32.28 | Flimzy | jarango: Or perhpas RedHat defaults to a login shell with konsole |
| 06:32.55 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: There is a mouse and it works but the cross is in the centre all of the time. |
| 06:33.19 | Flimzy | Rangitoto, I'm not sure what to say.. i've never seen that. |
| 06:33.36 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: Does it look like a mouse cursor? |
| 06:33.52 | ajkroll | I smell an |
| 06:33.55 | ajkroll | X leak |
| 06:34.00 | ajkroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.31 | Flimzy | ajkroll: Why do you say that? |
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| 06:34.40 | ajkroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.52 | ajkroll | need I say more? |
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| 06:35.08 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: It is quite different from the mouse cursor. It is a black cross about 7mm high and 7mm wide and has a white border. |
| 06:35.36 | Flimzy | ajkroll: is that top output? |
| 06:35.40 | ajkroll | yea |
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| 06:35.51 | Flimzy | ajkroll: So what's the problem? |
| 06:35.54 | jarango | Flimzy: As a side note, It seems that the only way to create a child with different variables is by using execle(). All other exec*() calls do not change the environment |
| 06:36.30 | Flimzy | jarango: so run strace, and see who uses that |
| 06:36.32 | ajkroll | Flimsy: not sure yet |
| 06:36.47 | ajkroll | Flimsy: X is known to have leaks anyhow |
| 06:36.56 | Flimzy | ajkroll: '64192' is the same on both lines... |
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| 06:37.14 | ajkroll | yup |
| 06:37.16 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: I have also seen such a cross on another computer. That computer runs Ubuntu and the problem disappeared from that computer. |
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| 06:37.42 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: Is this cross 'in front of' the display, or behind it? |
| 06:38.04 | Flimzy | Rangitoto; In other words, can you move your mouse in front of it? Or does your mouse disappear behind it when the mouse is there? |
| 06:38.15 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: And can you put windows on top of it, or are they blanked out by the cross? |
| 06:38.17 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: It is in front of the display. |
| 06:38.19 | ajkroll | it's a slow leak, I'll wait till tomarrow and see how fat it gets |
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| 06:38.50 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: Is your monitor displaying something funky? |
| 06:38.52 | liable | hehe, just got an email from the fbi and the cia!... |
| 06:39.02 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: Like the adjustment menu or something? |
| 06:39.04 | jarango | Oops, I'm wrong, other exec function can also create processes with different env vars, by chaning variable "environ" before making the call. |
| 06:39.21 | ajkroll | that is, if it really is a leak, cuz I've been having X shutdown issues cuz it's swapped out to far, starts trhashing, and the whole thing colapses |
| 06:39.57 | Flimzy | ajkroll: Which video card? |
| 06:40.08 | Rangitoto | If I move the mouse over the cross the cross is still in front, obliterating part of the mouse cursor. |
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| 06:40.31 | ajkroll | radeon, and yea, I tainted it so gl doesn't suck |
| 06:40.43 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: Then my best guess is it's something the monitor is doing... completely unrelated to the software you're running |
| 06:41.04 | Flimzy | ajkroll; I don't mind tainted... I just loathe ATI :p |
| 06:41.48 | ajkroll | cheap card, does what I want. I could care less |
| 06:42.14 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: I have another monitor of the same model. I will try it and see if the same thing happens. |
| 06:42.27 | Flimzy | Rangitoto: What happens if you just turn the monitor off then back on? |
| 06:43.18 | Rangitoto | Flimzy: I tried turning the monitor off and on and the cross is still there. |
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| 06:43.42 | ajkroll | Perhaps your monitor got religion |
| 06:43.58 | ajkroll | kill it, quick, before it spreads |
| 06:44.09 | pourriture | Hi ... I just installed Debian and I have found that although I can now meet hot chix ... I still can't get them to take me seriously ... I have done "man chix" but I can't figure out how the :~ flag works |
| 06:44.30 | bluestrain | what is the package name of the dpkg bot used in #debian? |
| 06:44.34 | Flimzy | pourriture: Did you flush the P-RAM? |
| 06:44.38 | crash3m__ | blootbot |
| 06:45.07 | bluestrain | tnx |
| 06:45.19 | pourriture | Flimzy: perhaps that is the prob .... p-ram |
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| 06:45.32 | crash3m__ | change the bios battery |
| 06:45.42 | litage | if a directory has the permissions rwx--S--, what is the S? |
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| 06:45.49 | crash3m__ | Suid |
| 06:45.58 | crash3m__ | err pardon |
| 06:46.00 | crash3m__ | thats sgid |
| 06:46.14 | ajkroll | was gonna say |
| 06:46.16 | pourriture | or sOid |
| 06:46.36 | pourriture | what does a stick-bit do on other? |
| 06:46.39 | keikoz | never seen |
| 06:46.39 | crash3m__ | yeah, your a dash/character short of your final octet |
| 06:47.03 | litage | is there a difference between -rwx--S--- and -rwx--s--- ? |
| 06:47.16 | crash3m__ | man chmod |
| 06:47.24 | pourriture | man chix |
| 06:47.32 | crash3m__ | man yourfuckingmother |
| 06:47.50 | eeyore- | crash3m__: was that called for? |
| 06:48.00 | crash3m__ | probably not, but it felt good |
| 06:48.08 | ajkroll | :-) |
| 06:48.09 | pourriture | man idon'tknowwhatthehelleitherofusaretalkingabout |
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| 06:48.19 | crash3m__ | woohoo! |
| 06:48.32 | litage | crash3m__: i've read through chmod's manpage, and there's no mention of "S". only "s" |
| 06:48.53 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@*.crash3m.com] by eeyore- |
| 06:48.58 | pourriture | but I have a better understanding of women than I do a stickybit in the other column |
| 06:49.22 | ajkroll | litage: I thought it ment Sync... as in commited fs writes, but I could be wrong |
| 06:49.33 | pourriture | and I understand women enough to hang out on #debian at 2 am |
| 06:49.47 | litage | ajkroll: how does one set 'S'? |
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| 06:50.04 | ajkroll | pourriture: I understand them enough to be smart enough to be divorced :-) |
| 06:50.12 | *** mode/#Debian [-o eeyore-] by eeyore- |
| 06:50.25 | pourriture | ajkroll: I dated her ... but I married better |
| 06:50.45 | ajkroll | litage: make a fake file, and try something like chomd 2600 |
| 06:50.47 | litage | ajkroll: a guy i know once said this: "i've learned to obey the 3-F rule: if it flies, fucks, or floats, RENT IT" |
| 06:51.07 | ajkroll | litage: sounds like a fortune quote |
| 06:51.11 | pourriture | ajkroll: my wife is a BSD enthusiast ... but she is ok anyway |
| 06:51.26 | Flimzy | litage: Which category do ducks fall under? |
| 06:51.40 | debwu1 | quit |
| 06:52.10 | ajkroll | Which category do fucks dall under? |
| 06:52.14 | ajkroll | whaaa? |
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| 06:52.28 | litage | FlimFlamMan: well, considering they fly AND float, and if you're twisted, they can also fuck, then i think you should just steer well clear of'em |
| 06:52.30 | ajkroll | :-) |
| 06:52.35 | deadcat | my iriver ifp-790 is not showing up when i plug it in. it SHOULD. |
| 06:52.43 | litage | thanks ajkroll |
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| 06:53.26 | ajkroll | litage: you gotta say that one for it to make sense |
| 06:53.44 | litage | ajkroll: hah |
| 06:54.18 | doleyb | I have a usb-storage device which works in knoppix but not debian. Any clue where I should start to fix it? (i have other devices that work for both) |
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| 06:54.50 | litage | doleyb: dmesg's output |
| 06:54.52 | ajkroll | doleyb: kernel version differences would be a good start |
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| 06:55.37 | supers | does debian support installing off a usb cdrom drive? i'm trying to install it but it locks up when it detects usb |
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| 06:56.05 | kingsley | supers: Do you see an error message? |
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| 06:56.11 | crash3m_ | eeyore-: chill |
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| 06:56.24 | crash3m_ | heej |
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| 06:56.35 | supers | kingsley: nope, locks up |
| 06:56.57 | kingsley | supers: How can you tell exactly where it's locking? |
| 06:57.01 | eeyore- | supers: sony? |
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| 06:57.15 | mt_holden_ss | #knoppix |
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| 06:57.24 | supers | i booted without usb detection, did modprobe ehci and it locked up on that |
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| 06:57.38 | supers | eeyore-: the drive? its lg |
| 06:57.54 | mt_holden_ss | dual boot ubuntu and xp |
| 06:57.59 | LuCkYaN | morning |
| 06:57.59 | LuCkYaN | :P |
| 06:58.20 | jongkyu | hello, folks. |
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| 06:58.57 | kingsley | supers: Your theory seems plausible to me, even if not yet proven. Have you googled for it? |
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| 06:59.29 | LuCkYaN | i have Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l // and i have a script /etc/init.d/local ... and i want to start in startup .. anyone can help me ? |
| 06:59.43 | eeyore- | supers: nevermind, i mis-remembered. it was sony laptops that had pcmcia cdroms that could be problematic. for usb cdroms, if you have problems, you might try the 2.6 kernel (is that what you use already?) |
| 06:59.47 | dserban | Hokay, so I compile linux-suorce-2.6.14 and on boot, my mouse goes nuts and so does my keyboard... well the mouse goes insane in X and the keyboard seems super laggy, ie.. I just typed the word laggy and it took about 4 times as long to appear on my screen... my current loadavg is 0.00 and vmstat reports nothing out of the ordinary... |
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| 06:59.57 | supers | kingsley: it may be a 2.4 problem, fedora boots on here through the drive |
| 07:00.00 | jongkyu | Is there any body i810 sound card? I've one. But I can't control volume. It's so weired. I'm using debian/sid, kernel-2.6.14. |
| 07:00.42 | supers | eeyore-: they have a install cd with 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:00.45 | dserban | what could I have misconfigured in the kernel to get this kind of behaviour? nvz was mentioning the other night that a ps2 driver for keyboards doesn't exist :P |
| 07:00.45 | jm_ | I have i810 crap on board, but I don't use it anymore |
| 07:00.52 | kingsley | supers: What make and model of USB CDROM is it? |
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| 07:01.12 | madradrone | jongkyu: i have one |
| 07:01.16 | supers | lg gsa 4163b |
| 07:01.19 | Jedetko | hey everyone... |
| 07:01.24 | jongkyu | jm_: :-( |
| 07:01.35 | dserban | any other kernel works fine, 2.6.14 seems to have this problem through the debian versions from 2.6.14-1 to 2.6.14-4 |
| 07:01.41 | madradrone | jongkyu: and 2.6.14 also |
| 07:01.42 | Jedetko | any webmin guru's here? |
| 07:01.44 | jongkyu | madradrone: Can you control its volume with aumix? |
| 07:02.00 | madradrone | jongkyu: no because i use the alsa driver |
| 07:02.01 | eeyore- | supers: you ought to be able to select kernel at the boot prompt |
| 07:02.03 | jm_ | jongkyu: yes, aumix worked just fine, as did cam |
| 07:02.05 | jongkyu | Maneit: :-( It's so sad. |
| 07:02.07 | LuCkYaN | so ... anyone ? :) |
| 07:02.12 | eeyore- | supers: i think the target is "linux26", but it's been a while |
| 07:03.03 | kingsley | supers: Did you see an error message after modprobe ehci? |
| 07:03.11 | supers | kingsley: nope, just locks up |
| 07:03.15 | repp | jongkyu: alsamixer? |
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| 07:03.41 | LuCkYaN | i have Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l // and i have a script /etc/init.d/local ... and i want to start in startup .. anyone can help me ?? |
| 07:03.50 | repp | jongkyu: I have one of those too and had a terrible time for a few weeks getting any sound at all. |
| 07:04.08 | Diggity | could anyone recommend a way of creating an disk image of a widows client from a linux server? Can you mount and pull over disk-images or do you need to run client software on the windows machine and create an diskimage that way? |
| 07:04.08 | UzzaDead | anyone have any experience with IBM's RS/6000 machines? |
| 07:04.09 | jongkyu | repp: no. I've used alsamixer and aumix. |
| 07:04.09 | Jedetko | anyone here can help me with a webmin question? |
| 07:04.09 | madradrone | what's so fucking hard about getting an i810 to work? |
| 07:04.21 | UzzaDead | madradrone video or audio? |
| 07:04.22 | madradrone | apt-get install alsa-base; alsaconf |
| 07:04.34 | madradrone | UzzaDead: he asked about sound |
| 07:04.40 | supers | eeyore-: thanks that worked, must be a bug with 2.4 |
| 07:04.51 | repp | madradrone: in my case, that configuration simply produces no sound. Mix all I like, no errors, just no sound. |
| 07:04.54 | kingsley | supers: Have you upgraded the CDROM's firmware? |
| 07:05.06 | UzzaDead | repp have you checked for muted channels? |
| 07:05.09 | madradrone | if you didn't fuck up your custom kernel... |
| 07:05.09 | supers | yeah its running the latest |
| 07:05.16 | supers | i just got it to boot using the 2.6 kernel |
| 07:05.26 | jongkyu | madradrone: I feel so... Then I just use the volume contorl of tuner which is connected to sound card. |
| 07:05.27 | brianP | LuCkYaN, put the script in /etc/init.d/ and a symlink in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 07:05.27 | repp | madradrone: so on boot I now do /etc/init.d/alsa unload; modprobe snd_intel8x0; that solves it. |
| 07:05.37 | madradrone | repp: "produces no sound" can mean many different things in reality... |
| 07:05.48 | eeyore- | supers: debian ought to go to 2.6 kernel by default on install, now |
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| 07:05.58 | supers | eeyore-: its still 2.4 |
| 07:05.58 | LuCkYaN | brianP: i put in /etc/init.d/ but what is a symlink ?? |
| 07:05.59 | eeyore- | supers: only the PTB know for sure why not |
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| 07:06.07 | madradrone | repp: it can mean, you've got some sound daemon or other process locking out the device... |
| 07:06.08 | jm_ | !tell LuCkYaN -about services |
| 07:06.10 | UzzaDead | LuCkYaN a symbolic link |
| 07:06.10 | supers | i have the latest iso as of yesterday |
| 07:06.18 | repp | madradrone: well that was not the case here. I know how to use lsof. |
| 07:06.23 | eeyore- | supers: it's not you, it's debian ;-) |
| 07:06.37 | kingsley | supers: Perhaps the 2.4 kernel doesn't have a working driver. Can you use 2.6? |
| 07:06.43 | madradrone | repp: it can mean, you're using an app that is not configured to play to driver... |
| 07:06.56 | eeyore- | kingsley: he is using 2.6 and it's fine now |
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| 07:07.08 | gpm | hi guys. i have a process running that says its status is "Uninterruptable" in gnome-system-monitor...i've tried kill -9 and kill -15'ing it, but it won't go away. what's the best way for me to get rid of it? |
| 07:07.11 | madradrone | repp: e.g. trying to play via oss when the alsa module is loaded.. |
| 07:07.21 | repp | madradrone: now you are trying to egg me on, i'm going to ignore you. If you were even paying attention at the beginning, you'll note that I'm not the one that has a problem with sound right now. |
| 07:07.26 | Gokee2 | Hey everyone. I want to use a computer through ssh backwards :).... |
| 07:07.32 | eeyore- | kingsley: it's not uncommon for the 2.4 debian install kernel to screw up on installs ... i've heard it more than once |
| 07:07.46 | madradrone | repp: no but you made the comment "plays no sound" which, really, is pointless |
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| 07:07.56 | supers | kingsley: yep, its installing over the net using 2.6 right now |
| 07:07.58 | eeyore- | gpm: reboot |
| 07:08.04 | madradrone | repp: i was just pointing out its ambiguity/pointlessness |
| 07:08.06 | Gokee2 | Meaning I can put a program on the other end but I need it to ssh me and then for me to be able to use the other computer though ssh.... Can this be done? |
| 07:08.08 | gpm | eeyore-: well, aside from that...is there any way? |
| 07:08.09 | repp | madradrone: you want to have a discussion about what I meant when I said "plays no sound"?? |
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| 07:08.20 | Gokee2 | (I am on both ends right now) |
| 07:08.22 | gpm | eeyore-: i'd hoped i'd left that behind in with windows |
| 07:08.30 | kingsley | supers and eeyore- I may owe you an apology for being too terse. I should have asked supers if using 2.6 will solve his problem. |
| 07:08.31 | gpm | :-P |
| 07:08.34 | eeyore- | gpm: processes that are in uninterruptible state cannot be killed. another way might be to use kernel debugger, but that's assuming you have your kernel configured for live debugging. chances are, you don't |
| 07:08.34 | LuCkYaN | jm_, jm_ wants you to know: services is probably to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ ?? |
| 07:08.38 | madradrone | repp: i'm saying that, thinking/saying things ambiguously will just lead to more problems with sound... |
| 07:09.02 | madradrone | repp: its like saying "it doesn't work" |
| 07:09.02 | gpm | eeyore-: do they ever stop being uninterruptable once they've started? |
| 07:09.09 | eeyore- | gpm: processes left in uninterruptible sleep for a long time indicates either (a) kernel bug, (b) driver bug (also in-kernel), or (c) it's simply waiting for i/o |
| 07:09.32 | gpm | eeyore-: so basically, i have to reboot. |
| 07:09.35 | gpm | waa |
| 07:09.36 | repp | madradrone: i have no problem with sound today. I analyzed the problem over the course of 1 month, and worked to find a solution. But there are other people who may have the same experience as I had, and aren't at a solution yet. |
| 07:09.47 | brianP | LuCkYaN, do this: cd /etc/init.d/; ln -s ../init.d/your_script S99your_script |
| 07:09.54 | eeyore- | gpm: which kernel is this? |
| 07:10.12 | gpm | eeyore-: 2.6.14, a debian stock one |
| 07:10.20 | brianP | LuCkYaN, wait |
| 07:10.20 | eeyore- | gpm: and what is the process doing? |
| 07:10.21 | jm_ | LuCkYaN: so go ahead and do it |
| 07:10.31 | caphuso | brianP: wrong. you need to go into one of the rc?.d directories, not init.d |
| 07:10.35 | repp | madradrone: "it plays no sound" is a perfectly legitimate observation of a sound system that ought to be working. |
| 07:10.37 | eeyore- | gpm: ps it and find out what it's doing (WCHAN field) |
| 07:10.37 | LuCkYaN | in rcS ? |
| 07:10.40 | brianP | LuCkYaN, cd /etc/rcS.d |
| 07:11.09 | Gokee2 | Can anyone help me? |
| 07:11.30 | gpm | eeyore-: from "ps ax" : 6327 ? D 2:02 grip |
| 07:11.42 | Diggity | nah gokee2 - youre too far gone |
| 07:11.55 | Gokee2 | Diggity, ah ok |
| 07:12.08 | Diggity | only joking whats up |
| 07:12.15 | eeyore- | gpm: ps -eo pid,comm,wchan | grep <process name> |
| 07:12.28 | madradrone | repp: to me it isn't, because its basically untrue |
| 07:12.42 | gpm | eeyore-: 6327 grip ide_do_drive_cmd |
| 07:12.57 | madradrone | repp: its entirely possible that "it" does "play sound", but that someone is doing something wrong... |
| 07:13.00 | eeyore- | gpm: so you've got grip doing something funky to the cdrom, then? |
| 07:13.13 | eeyore- | gpm: try ejecting the disk and see if that gets the program unstuck :-) |
| 07:13.14 | Gokee2 | Diggity, I need to ssh to a place then give commands "backwords" though ssh..... |
| 07:13.18 | kingsley | gpm & eeyore- "grip" is a GNOME CD ripper. |
| 07:13.27 | supers | hm awesome |
| 07:13.29 | gpm | kingsley: very good |
| 07:13.32 | madradrone | repp: even if you said something like xmms wouldn't play sound - that is a more accurate statement |
| 07:13.36 | Diggity | yeah whats so hard about that? |
| 07:13.48 | supers | just installed debian and now it panics on startup |
| 07:13.58 | brianP | LuCkYaN, make sure your script is executable too |
| 07:14.07 | eeyore- | supers: with 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:14.13 | eeyore- | supers: did you install wrong arch? :-) |
| 07:14.13 | gpm | eeyore-: blah, it's still stuck, even with the drive open now |
| 07:14.29 | Gokee2 | Diggity, I don`t know how to go about it..... You see I could make a program to ssh me from the place but then you would I use the computer where the program sshed me from? |
| 07:14.33 | gpm | eeyore-: i guess the ide_cd driver is just not as good as the kernel devs would like. |
| 07:14.35 | eeyore- | gpm: ok then, it's really stuck somewhere inside the ide layer. probabaly no way out. |
| 07:14.42 | gpm | eeyore-: oh well :-( |
| 07:14.45 | gpm | reboot time |
| 07:14.47 | supers | eeyore-: it auto installed the 386 version :p |
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| 07:15.04 | eeyore- | supers: you sure it's the 386 version and not something your cpu doesn't like? |
| 07:15.15 | supers | yeah it says it on startup |
| 07:15.19 | supers | 2.6.8-386 |
| 07:15.30 | kingsley | gpm: Wait. Have you considered doing "lsof | grep grip" ? |
| 07:15.34 | eeyore- | supers: why 2.6.8? (and why does it panic?) |
| 07:15.55 | eeyore- | kingsley: if it's in uninterruptible sleep, there isn't anything to get it out of that state, unfortunately |
| 07:16.08 | supers | it says USB-1 disconnected |
| 07:16.13 | supers | then kernel panics |
| 07:16.18 | LuCkYaN | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49 2005-11-26 15:49 local |
| 07:16.31 | eeyore- | supers: well, sometimes that happens on RHEL too ;-) so, try later 2.6 kernel |
| 07:16.41 | kingsley | eeyore-: Yes, that's my understanding also, but if it were me, I'd like to isolate the bug. I suspect grip is hung on accessing his CDROM. |
| 07:16.42 | eeyore- | supers: USB is, unfortunately, still somewhat of a pain in the butt |
| 07:17.33 | kingsley | supers: Which "it" says " USB-1 disconnected" |
| 07:17.37 | brianP | LuCkYaN, yes that is executable |
| 07:17.56 | kingsley | s/$/?/ |
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| 07:18.55 | eeyore- | supers: that's actually a bad outcome ... a not-so-bad outcome is for kernel to repeatedly trying to start the USB hub in a forever-loop and sucking up cycles. that can happen on some chipsets. |
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| 07:19.55 | supers | interesting |
| 07:20.46 | Gokee2 | hmmm he turned ssh back on I guess I don`t need to do that right now |
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| 07:21.35 | Gokee2 | Whats the best way to add a user with very little power and so you can easly watch them? |
| 07:22.38 | koshnaranek | adduser |
| 07:22.42 | kingsley | supers: Is the kernel's version 2.6.8 or 2.6.14? |
| 07:23.07 | koshnaranek | regular users cant do much breaking if you dont have world writable home directories |
| 07:23.20 | eeyore- | Gokee2: any user you add already has little power ... unless you take the time to add them to more groups |
| 07:23.41 | eeyore- | Gokee2: /etc/groups, ls -l /dev |
| 07:23.53 | Gokee2 | hmmm ok |
| 07:24.00 | Gokee2 | eeyore-, Waht about watching them? |
| 07:24.03 | Gokee2 | What* |
| 07:24.16 | eeyore- | Gokee2: forget about it. either trust them, or don't give out accounts |
| 07:24.23 | eeyore- | Gokee2: you're not a nanny |
| 07:24.25 | Gokee2 | :/ |
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| 07:24.59 | kingsley | Gokee2: man watch |
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| 07:25.44 | eeyore- | Gokee2: get yourself a webcam |
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| 07:26.05 | Gokee2 | eeyore-, they are sshing in |
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| 07:26.22 | Gokee2 | It would be nice if it started screen or something for them... |
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| 07:27.51 | eeyore- | Gokee2: you have the source code to bash, go ahead, make your day :-) |
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| 07:32.28 | Gokee2 | eeyore-, lol sure.... |
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| 07:43.43 | Vyrus001 | how do i configure wich modules load at startup ? |
| 07:43.58 | cheal | Vyrus001: you can add some in /etc/modules |
| 07:44.30 | Vyrus001 | cheal: actuly i want to get rid of some as my lsmod is huge and im quite sure i dont need all the things in the list |
| 07:45.10 | cheal | Vyrus001: just for fun? |
| 07:45.21 | cheal | Vyrus001: anyway you could try to blacklist some |
| 07:45.40 | Vyrus001 | cheal: well for system tuneing... i mean i would rather only load what i need.. course im not entireley sure what all of the ones loaded DO yet :P |
| 07:46.27 | cheal | Vyrus001: you seem to be wasting your time, but it's as you want |
| 07:46.43 | cheal | unless you have a shiny new m68k? :) |
| 07:47.09 | Vyrus001 | hehe no but why do u say im wasteing time ? |
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| 07:47.41 | cheal | trying to figure which modules you don't need and how to avoid them to load |
| 07:48.27 | Vyrus001 | i take it that does nothing for performance... apperently my assumption of loading only drivers i need to control ram and cpu usage was false |
| 07:49.02 | cheal | it certainly influences RAM, but how much |
| 07:49.21 | Vyrus001 | well i dont have much :P its a laptop |
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| 07:49.47 | mkl1525 | Hi, in my /var/spool/cups dir I have a file "d00339-001: HP PCL printer data" - is there any way to open or convert this file into a standard pic/text format? |
| 07:51.01 | Vyrus001 | cheal: i hope 3 lines dosnt count as spam but when i say not much i mean NOT MUCH :P |
| 07:51.17 | cheal | Vyrus001: ok |
| 07:51.18 | Vyrus001 | vyrus@Vyrus002:~$ cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:51.18 | Vyrus001 | MemTotal: 224276 kB |
| 07:51.18 | Vyrus001 | MemFree: 6176 kB |
| 07:53.22 | cheal | Vyrus001: I think reading man free would be a better way to spend your time |
| 07:53.50 | Vyrus001 | cheal: man free ? |
| 07:54.01 | cheal | Vyrus001: $ man free |
| 07:54.07 | Vyrus001 | ah |
| 07:55.29 | Vyrus001 | cheal: ive got 6 mgs free.. my dock app sais im 97% used |
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| 07:56.26 | cheal | Vyrus001: what's the second number $ free|grep buffers/; prints? |
| 07:57.03 | Vyrus001 | 137116 |
| 07:57.37 | cheal | so most of your RAM is not really used |
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| 07:59.22 | Vyrus001 | ic |
| 07:59.58 | Vyrus001 | guess ill have to check my doc apps.. so ok on to question 2... how do i know what module to get for acpi suport |
| 08:00.39 | Vyrus001 | all of my power inicators give me an error about not haveing acpi loaded but all of my live cd |
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| 08:00.50 | Vyrus001 | ;s work with it in so i need to know what im missing |
| 08:00.51 | heath | I need to copy all of my mail folders on an IMAP server to my local filesystem. Could anyone give me some advice on doing this? |
| 08:01.11 | cheal | Vyrus001: acpi_cpufreq is one. what's your laptop? |
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| 08:03.56 | Vyrus001 | cheal: uh |
| 08:04.13 | Vyrus001 | cheal: a "great quality" zx#### |
| 08:04.46 | Vibes | Hi! Could someone tell me if there's a way to link a /dev/sdx entry to a fixed ieee1394 port plz? |
| 08:05.35 | cheal | I don't know those. I only have a bit of experience with ASUS. at least for sarge/etch there's no generic ACPI modules AFAIK (except cpufreq in etch) |
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| 08:06.12 | Vibes | because for example, when I unplug sdc, sdd become sdc, sde become sdd... |
| 08:06.58 | bamoore | where would I find an official list of apt repositories? |
| 08:07.18 | student_ | bamoore: www.debian.org would be a good place to start :P |
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| 08:08.32 | Vyrus001 | cheal: hmm so i take it there is no system for searching for what module will work with ure system ? |
| 08:08.42 | blondie | Vyrus001: what is "ure"? |
| 08:08.49 | Vyrus001 | your |
| 08:08.53 | blondie | say that then |
| 08:09.02 | Vyrus001 | ok? |
| 08:09.18 | blondie | kids these days :( |
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| 08:09.29 | noloK | hi |
| 08:09.51 | cheal | Vyrus001: unlikely anything worth much. the best way may be to find a guide specific to your laptop |
| 08:10.18 | zxvf | Anyone know of a good macosx channel? |
| 08:10.36 | noloK | can someone help me, i can't burn a CD with over 15x.. |
| 08:11.13 | pitillo | anyone know which is the gnome irc server? |
| 08:11.21 | Vyrus001 | cheal: been there no luck yet besides sombody has to make the guides :P |
| 08:11.47 | zxvf | . |
| 08:12.17 | Vyrus001 | i guess i should just boot a live cd and see what it uses since i have one that works on this laptop |
| 08:12.26 | cheal | yes |
| 08:12.33 | blondie | zxvf: #macosx perhaps? |
| 08:12.53 | bamoore | zxvf: I can't find a list. ie how would I populate a sources.list file from scratch? |
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| 08:14.07 | bamoore | I'm asking a dumb question I know, but where's the official list of repositories? |
| 08:14.19 | falkon | I'm trying to compile the exaudio driver with LIRC support, and I'm getting this: /usr/local/exaudio-1.65/remote.c:23:18: error: lirc.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:14.34 | falkon | I have LIRC installed and running, too |
| 08:14.58 | Vibes | exit |
| 08:15.01 | Vibes | lol |
| 08:15.51 | cheal | !tell bamoore about mirrors |
| 08:17.19 | bamoore | cheal: exactly what I was looking for. mirror = repository |
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| 08:20.37 | xored | hello. I used dss authorisation with my server under windows through putty. Now iam on debian and iam wonder how to connect to the server. ssh -i keyfile etc fails on the parafrase. But as i edited the file, the ppk file is just for putty. How to get a file which is ready for ssh under debain ? |
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| 08:22.12 | CBear | heya, i'm lookin for a little debian help |
| 08:22.15 | litage | can you use dd to copy a cd or dvd onto your HD? |
| 08:22.48 | xored | litathe why dont use : cp -fr ? |
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| 08:24.00 | CBear | i'm having trouple with apm or acpi in kernel 2.6.8 |
| 08:24.18 | bamoore | given the choice between using http or ftp for a mirror, which should I include in my sources.list? |
| 08:24.49 | xored | bamoore: doesnt really count |
| 08:25.12 | xored | CBear: which CPU ? |
| 08:25.20 | CBear | intel celeron |
| 08:25.45 | CBear | laptop |
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| 08:25.56 | npx | man |
| 08:26.02 | npx | amd64 linux -blazes- |
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| 08:28.02 | bamoore | xored: what do you mean? |
| 08:28.08 | CBear | i put kernel 2.6 on here but it won't boot into a gui |
| 08:28.08 | xored | is doesnt care |
| 08:28.11 | xored | as i said |
| 08:28.22 | xored | CBear: start the gui yourself |
| 08:28.30 | xored | CBear: do you have a nvidia card ? |
| 08:28.39 | CBear | how do i do that? no it's onboard video |
| 08:28.58 | CBear | it attempts to start it but fails |
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| 08:29.13 | xored | HMM |
| 08:29.20 | CBear | says acpi override |
| 08:29.25 | xored | check /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:29.31 | xored | disable acpi |
| 08:29.37 | xored | under modules |
| 08:29.48 | npx | i had no idea an opteron 248 would rock an xp 2700+ so thoroughly |
| 08:30.07 | bamoore | xored: well I mean you either use http or ftp to connect to the repository. I'm just asking if one is better than the other |
| 08:30.24 | falkon | I'm trying to compile the exaudio driver with LIRC support, and I'm getting this: /usr/local/exaudio-1.65/remote.c:23:18: error: lirc.h: No such file or directory |
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| 08:30.46 | xored | ftp will surely be slighty better, bamoore |
| 08:30.54 | peterS | falkon: that's usually a sign that you need to look for a *-dev package |
| 08:31.00 | xored | but it really doesnt count. Not on my eyes |
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| 08:31.16 | falkon | peterS: there is no lirc-dev package for debian |
| 08:31.19 | CBear | i don't even see acpi under modules |
| 08:31.22 | peterS | falkon: 'apt-cache search lirc dev' |
| 08:31.31 | peterS | falkon: it turns up liblircclient-dev, which sounds promising |
| 08:31.32 | falkon | peterS: I have lirc.h in many places though |
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| 08:31.45 | peterS | falkon: shrug. do it your way. |
| 08:31.54 | CBear | previously i tried copying my previous working xorg.conf file to try and fix it |
| 08:31.57 | R2_2k | maybe you need too specify one of those dirs when making falkon |
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| 08:32.02 | bamoore | xored: thanks |
| 08:32.04 | falkon | peterS: thanks, i thought i actually had that installed |
| 08:32.20 | xored | bamoore: your welcome |
| 08:32.30 | falkon | peterS: installed package, same problem |
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| 08:33.19 | bamoore | xored: I'm sufficiently pacified now |
| 08:33.29 | litage | how can you force cron to send an email? |
| 08:33.41 | peterS | falkon: well it's not like I actually looked it up. now that I did look it up, it does seem to be something slightly different |
| 08:34.05 | peterS | falkon: what you're left with, basically, are two options: one, use the interface at packages.debian.org to find a lirc.h file, which there's only one of and I have my doubts that it's the right one |
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| 08:34.22 | peterS | falkon: or two, read the docs that came with the thing you're trying to compile, and see where *they* think you should get the dependencies from |
| 08:34.36 | falkon | peterS: the problem is the docs don't cover this |
| 08:34.46 | peterS | that's a shame |
| 08:35.00 | falkon | peterS: I have lirc.h in /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/ |
| 08:35.01 | peterS | I don't use lirc myself, so I have no idea what kind of library interface it's *supposed* to offer |
| 08:35.17 | peterS | that doesn't really sound right, but you never know, perhaps it is |
| 08:35.18 | falkon | peterS: i coppied that to /usr/include/ |
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| 08:36.44 | CBear | any ideas? |
| 08:37.45 | xored | CBear: many got this problem |
| 08:37.56 | xored | CBear: but manyl with nvida |
| 08:38.07 | xored | CBear: which device do you choose in corg ? |
| 08:38.12 | xored | CBear: xorg |
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| 08:41.15 | faber2 | morning everybody |
| 08:41.36 | plbgnr | hello, sometimes, when I select text with mouse and then want to paste it, it doesn't work. Can anybody explain why? or Is there way to produce akustic signal (sys speaker or from audio card) when is changed content of clipboard? |
| 08:41.40 | faber2 | how can i start a linux system in single user ? |
| 08:41.44 | CBear | i'm sorry, what do u mean? |
| 08:42.01 | CBear | you mean in the xorg config program?" |
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| 08:42.36 | falkon | peterS: got it working - changed #include <lirc.h> to #include "lirc.h" |
| 08:42.52 | jm_ | faber2: /msg dpkg single user mode |
| 08:43.03 | floundering | I am installing loop-aes etc. from debian source packages. The program authors readme recommends static compiling to enable full functionality. The debian way ignores this and consequently restricts the programs functionality. any user wanting the software to work has no option but to use the authors instructions and ignore the debian packages and tools. does this sort of thing happen all the time? |
| 08:43.10 | peterS | falkon: strange, that shouldn't have affected anything if you already copied it to /usr/include (which is not a good general solution itself, but it should have worked) |
| 08:43.19 | faber2 | jm_: and do i have root access without password if i do that? |
| 08:43.23 | jm_ | faber2: no |
| 08:43.40 | peterS | floundering: what features does the debian package not have? |
| 08:43.43 | faber2 | jm_: how can i get root access (back, cause somebody hacked in), then? |
| 08:43.45 | falkon | peterS: eh, what can I say,the exaudio needs to be updated. I put lirc.h in the root driectory |
| 08:43.51 | jm_ | faber2: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 08:44.10 | faber2 | jm_: i guess the dpkg daemon is asleep |
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| 08:44.25 | jm_ | faber2: no it's not |
| 08:44.38 | faber2 | jm_: but it is not messaging me |
| 08:45.12 | CBear | what's the command for reconfiguring xorg? |
| 08:45.19 | peterS | CBear: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:45.22 | faber2 | jm_: err, i did not have coffee yet |
| 08:45.33 | peterS | floundering: if the debian package is missing specific features, file a bug. but don't just file one on hearsay, you have to have specific examples of things you can't do that you want to |
| 08:45.45 | CBear | are there seperate files for each kernel? |
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| 08:47.48 | valdyn | floundering: the debian loop-aoes-source explicitely provides sources for the kernel 'module', so a static version is clearly not provided and that non-existance isnt a 'bug' in that sense |
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| 08:50.39 | jm_ | at least you have sufficient version of mount in Sarge now, I remember the horror of using loop-aes with Woody |
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| 08:52.02 | valdyn | floundering: that said, i see no mention of static loop aes in that README |
| 08:52.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:52.41 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 08:54.41 | CBear | are there seperate xorg.conf files for each kernel? |
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| 08:55.00 | valdyn | CBear: no |
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| 08:56.56 | larard | Hi, I have cron running on a number of boxes. Normally everything runs fine, now cron is not starting jobs as it should do. It is running, but no syslog messages. |
| 08:57.30 | valdyn | larard: whats cron mailing to your root ( or wherever you are letting cron send its mail ) ? |
| 08:57.55 | larard | Nothing. The syslog shows that it doesn't even try running the job. |
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| 08:58.57 | jm_ | heh someone had something similar, but he said it didn't start the jobs |
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| 09:00.14 | larard | jm_: Yeah, cron itself is running, it just never starts the jobs. |
| 09:00.34 | jm_ | larard: ahh so it's the same as he had (has?) |
| 09:01.39 | larard | jm_: I don't suppose you remember anything about it? |
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| 09:02.25 | jm_ | larard: I remember everything about it, I told him to strace it, but then I never heard back from him, or maybe he said something and I missed it |
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| 09:03.48 | xored | someone has experinces with ntop ? |
| 09:03.56 | CBear | what's a typical amount of ram to use for onboard video? |
| 09:04.11 | larard | jm_: The problem is that if I restart cron, it tends to work. |
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| 09:04.12 | jm_ | CBear: 128M or more for modern cards |
| 09:04.18 | xored | iam searching for a traffic counter, maybe with webinterface, which shows traffic during the month on a interface |
| 09:04.19 | larard | Can you strace a runnign process? |
| 09:04.23 | jm_ | larard: sure you can |
| 09:04.31 | CBear | this is onboard, laptop |
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| 09:04.53 | jm_ | onboard? is it shared with your system RAM? |
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| 09:05.04 | CBear | i believe so |
| 09:05.08 | aburlet | about debian installer: what script is run after the first reboot ? (I want to know how the hell is final configuration done, and how...) |
| 09:05.15 | CBear | its i810 chipset |
| 09:05.27 | jm_ | yeah shared |
| 09:05.42 | faber2 | how can i append init=/bin/sh to a grub boot ? |
| 09:05.45 | valdyn | aburlet: base-config and 'dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>' |
| 09:05.45 | CBear | how much should i allocate? |
| 09:06.02 | jm_ | faber2: read the screen when you see a menu |
| 09:06.32 | aburlet | valdyn, thanks ... but who runs that ? where is the first hook in boot process ? |
| 09:06.45 | faber2 | jm_: i dont see the screen. i am guiding somebody who does not even speak english |
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| 09:07.11 | faber2 | jm_: i got him as far to edit the boot sequence. |
| 09:07.26 | jm_ | faber2: dpkg told you anyway |
| 09:07.36 | valdyn | aburlet: no idea, that dpkg-reconfigure is run upon each package install ( no matter if that is done with the installer or not ). |
| 09:07.37 | faber2 | jm_: but now we dont know what to insetr. what dpkg said does not work |
| 09:07.46 | jm_ | faber2: it works just fine |
| 09:08.06 | faber2 | jm_: it says "add init=/bin/sh" to the end of it |
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| 09:08.23 | jm_ | faber2: yeah I guess it may be missing 'c' somewhere |
| 09:08.37 | CBear | how much should i allocate? |
| 09:08.45 | faber2 | jm_: first: the end of the sequence says "boot", so we want this before that, or not? and second, the line "init=/bin/sh" causes error 27, unrecognized comman |
| 09:08.53 | aburlet | valdyn, thanks, I'll investigate about base-config |
| 09:08.55 | valdyn | CBear: why dont you use the default? |
| 09:09.16 | faber2 | jm_: 'c' where? |
| 09:09.20 | floundering | peterS: encrypted root --- aespipe and gnupg have to be static for this to work |
| 09:09.20 | CBear | how can i find ? or do i just leave it blank |
| 09:09.46 | valdyn | floundering: why would you encrypt your root? |
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| 09:10.22 | k31th | morning guys |
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| 09:10.39 | peterS | floundering: that doesn't really make sense. surely any initrd tool that supported aespipe would also support a non-static binary of it |
| 09:10.55 | mhall | find / -mtime -4 -print finds everything modified in last 4 days or so, correct? |
| 09:11.16 | peterS | mhall: yes plus a buttload of /proc files unless you use -xdev |
| 09:11.17 | jm_ | faber2: first move the cursor to desired entry, then press 'e', then move cursor to the kernel ... line, press 'e', add init=..., press enter, press b |
| 09:11.35 | mhall | peterS: but... if it's not static where do you get the libs in the initrd |
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| 09:11.52 | peterS | mhall: where do you think? from your filesystem |
| 09:11.56 | mhall | peterS: yeah not a problem, one of my friends was an idiot and lost a critical report due Friday on his OS X box |
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| 09:11.59 | peterS | mhall: same place you got the aespipe binary |
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| 09:12.24 | mhall | peterS: so i wanted to be sure the command i used to hunt for the file was right ;-) |
| 09:12.32 | mhall | peterS: cause the file didn't appear :-( |
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| 09:12.43 | peterS | ahh |
| 09:12.47 | peterS | anyway, it's hardly a new concept for a 'mkinitrd' script to have to run 'ldd' to make sure it's pulling in the appropriate libraries for all the binaries it thinks you need |
| 09:12.51 | floundering | valdyn: you have to look, the jari ruusu readme is inside the loop-aes-sourceXXXX.bz2\ |
| 09:12.54 | peterS | initrd creation tools have *always* done that |
| 09:12.55 | faber2 | jm_: thanks, i installed grub in a vmware now. what is the exact command to enter? "init=/bin/sh" causes the error 27. the list of commands does not list "init" nor "add" as a valid command |
| 09:12.58 | jm_ | has modversions.h always been in include/config in 2.6 or is this some recent change? |
| 09:13.20 | jm_ | faber2: you're adding it to root() line, not to "kernel ..." line |
| 09:13.23 | valdyn | floundering: or on /usr/share/doc/loop-aes-source/, still makes no mention of a 'static loop-aes' |
| 09:13.40 | zyriel | seems firefox 1.5 package will be out next year |
| 09:13.57 | peterS | jm_: CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y has always been present in debian kernels, to the best of my knowledge. it's present in 2.6.11-1-k7 and 2.6.12-1-k7 on my box |
| 09:14.09 | jm_ | peterS: no, I meant the location of the file |
| 09:14.15 | peterS | oh, I don't nkow |
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| 09:14.39 | zyriel | it's not in principle but |
| 09:14.41 | peterS | I do remember that debian kernel 2.0.27 had CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y. that is the earliest debian kernel I remember ever using |
| 09:14.43 | jm_ | i2c looks for it in linux/modversions.h, but it's in config dir, at least with 2.6.14 |
| 09:14.44 | floundering | valdyn: data leakage |
| 09:15.30 | valdyn | floundering: you dont need an encrypted / for that |
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| 09:16.14 | peterS | jm_: really nobody should be including modversions.h directly anyway. you should rely on the kernel makefiles or <module.h> to include it for you if needed |
| 09:16.19 | xored | how to get, where ntop is listening |
| 09:16.21 | xored | ? |
| 09:17.09 | pureone | netstat -tupnl ? |
| 09:17.15 | jm_ | peterS: it looks like these dependency files get built when you run make, but there's some error somewhere |
| 09:17.27 | peterS | valdyn: the correct answer to "why can't I do foo?" is not *always* "you don't want to do foo anyway". sometimes there *are* reasons to do something that you personally don't need to do |
| 09:17.50 | peterS | jm_: anyway, it's internal to the kernel build system, nobody should ever need to #include <..../modversions.h> directly |
| 09:18.05 | valdyn | peterS: i asked 'why' for that reason. |
| 09:18.08 | mhall | if you're going to do loop aes it's pretty critical that you loop aes everything |
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| 09:18.27 | mhall | i haven't on my system but i only hope to inconvenience people enough to make my data not worth probing |
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| 09:18.56 | floundering | peterS: the goal is to have everything needed to boot in thge /boot directory or on a small usb stick |
| 09:19.18 | mhall | technically if you wrote any unprotected data onto a drive ever you must destroy the whole drive and start over if you want it to be secure |
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| 09:19.35 | spaceratk | hello? |
| 09:19.40 | faber2 | jm_: grub seems not to save my change of the "root ..." line |
| 09:20.02 | peterS | floundering: right. that's fine. I was just saying, it's not necessary to compile things staticly just so you can put them in an initrd / initramfs. other debian utilities run fine in such an environment, linked dynamically, because the 'mkinitrd' tools know how to copy libraries into the initrd as well |
| 09:20.08 | spaceratk | just a question if no one minds |
| 09:20.33 | peterS | floundering: that's not the same thing as whether the mkinitrd tools are aware of loop-aes for root filesystems. I'm not sure if they are or not. |
| 09:20.55 | spaceratk | i am installing debian over the net and none of the mirrors seem to work |
| 09:21.03 | valdyn | jm_: WARNING: This package is only useful for 2.4 kernels. |
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| 09:22.09 | peterS | floundering: for encrypted filesystems, I think the world is moving toward dm_crypt and cryptsetup in place of loop-aes. those are supported by modern kernels and modern tools, but not by old kernels |
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| 09:22.35 | jm_ | faber2: it doesn't save anything, it's for current boot only |
| 09:23.24 | jm_ | peterS: these are kernel modules, i2c ;) |
| 09:23.31 | floundering | valdyn: its not there on the system I am working on either, I just opened up the loop-aes-sourceXXXX.bz2 to find it |
| 09:23.36 | jm_ | valdyn: not using package, but tarball |
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| 09:24.19 | peterS | jm_: even so, modversions.h should not even be needed directly by kernel modules. they should #include <linux/module.h> and let the kernel build system take care of modversions.h if needed |
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| 09:24.46 | jm_ | ahh I actually didn't read QUICKSTART file for i2c, which says it's not needed for 2.6, my bad, sorry for wasting your time ;) |
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| 09:25.00 | jm_ | peterS: see above, it looks like it's for 2.4 only ;) |
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| 09:25.16 | peterS | heh. even in 2.4 I don't think there was any need to include modversions.h directly |
| 09:25.17 | Mentor_61 | hola? |
| 09:25.19 | Mentor_61 | hi? |
| 09:25.20 | Mentor_61 | hallo? |
| 09:25.34 | jm_ | peterS: ohh this is for dependency tracking, it's not included |
| 09:25.39 | botsy | hi all |
| 09:25.50 | faber2 | jm_: ok, now i figured it out. the correct line is the "kernel" line, not the "root" line |
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| 09:26.10 | Mentor_61 | hi |
| 09:26.13 | misieq | how do i turn off buzzer in konsole? |
| 09:26.15 | jm_ | faber2: I have told you that two times |
| 09:26.20 | Mentor_61 | whats the talks about here |
| 09:26.22 | Mentor_61 | ? |
| 09:26.30 | peterS | Mentor_61: www.debian.org |
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| 09:26.39 | widrone | Mentor_61: Debian, debian, debian. |
| 09:26.53 | peterS | and sometimes www.ubuntulinux.org |
| 09:26.56 | jm_ | misieq: /msg dpkg silence speaker |
| 09:26.59 | pureone | hehe |
| 09:27.33 | jm_ | now let's see if this Dell thing can work with lm_sensors |
| 09:28.32 | misieq | jm_: dpkg suggested to type 'xset b off' but it doesn't work |
| 09:28.44 | jm_ | misieq: that's for X only |
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| 09:28.54 | Mentor_61 | ^^okay cu |
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| 09:28.55 | jm_ | misieq: setterm for console |
| 09:29.12 | peterS | jm_: he asked about konsole though |
| 09:29.14 | misieq | jm_: what about konsole? |
| 09:29.29 | pureone | any fish users here? on one of my boxes it doesnt work so well. before i type anything it will say "fish;root@hostname~dir>" then when i type something it will remove the fish; part |
| 09:29.33 | peterS | I would have guessed that konsole would honor 'xset'. but maybe not, maybe it has its own setting |
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| 09:29.48 | jm_ | misieq: you mean konsole or console? |
| 09:29.57 | misieq | jm_: konsole |
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| 09:30.14 | jm_ | misieq: maybe it's beeping via your sound card? |
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| 09:30.21 | liable | misieq: theres a settings menu for it... |
| 09:30.48 | misieq | jm_: yes |
| 09:31.01 | jm_ | misieq: then look for a setting, like liable said |
| 09:31.12 | misieq | liable: i've been looking for it, but i didn't find anything what would disable it |
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| 09:31.19 | pureone | settings,system bell |
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| 09:32.07 | jm_ | I tried konsole for 10 minutes only to realize it spawns a shitload of KDE processes |
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| 09:32.42 | pureone | 2 things i like with kde,konsole and konqueror the rest i can live with out |
| 09:33.05 | floundering | peterS: yes I have seen that. loop-aes is a more mature system and seems to have advantages. the author is quite outspoken so I am sure his code has been examined very carefully :) see gmane .linux.cryptography |
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| 09:33.16 | liable | the only good thing about konsole is tabs. |
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| 09:33.19 | Ayman- | yeah konsole is my fav terminal |
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| 09:33.39 | pureone | tabs and its easy to copy and paste from :) |
| 09:33.40 | Ayman- | liable, and history |
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| 09:33.48 | jm_ | yeah I wanted tabs, but luckily I found multi-gnome-terminal, and now even better, mrxvt |
| 09:33.56 | faber2 | jm_: mmhhh... "mount" gives me a segmentation fault... damn |
| 09:33.57 | Ayman- | nice keyboard shortcuts too |
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| 09:34.15 | liable | Ayman-: um, any term has bash history. |
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| 09:34.33 | misieq | pureone: (as i hav elocalized version of debian, i can only suppose translation is correct): settings->beeper->system bell beeps via sound card, same as 'system notification', only 'visible' beeper doesn't make any sound but it makes my konsole look ugly.... |
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| 09:34.47 | Ayman- | not bash history |
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| 09:34.52 | Ayman- | i mean you can save the whole terminal session |
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| 09:35.12 | Ayman- | the output |
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| 09:35.34 | Capkirk | just did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on sid and got : |
| 09:35.34 | Capkirk | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/readline-common_5.0-11_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 09:35.38 | Capkirk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.46 | jm_ | why would you need your terminal emulator do that when there's script or ttyrec? |
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| 09:36.17 | Capkirk | i tried to force upgrade with dpkg --force-yes /var/cache/apt/archives/readline-common_5.0-11_all.deb but i still get the same error? |
| 09:36.23 | Nigel | wowah, still having troubles with debian, i did memtest86 and 4 hours later now know that there is nothing wrong with my RAM |
| 09:36.41 | Ayman- | jm_, i'm just mentioning another nice feature in konsole that's all |
| 09:37.18 | macadamia | Which part of "lspci" output is the bus identifier? How do I tell if it PCI or ISA(it's plugged into an AGP slot)? I am doing "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" now |
| 09:37.18 | misieq | i want to completly turn off the beeping sound, i want only the visible bell on konsole session card... any way to do it? |
| 09:37.31 | litage | does it matter if you change the "user@host" that's located at the end of an ssh public key? (eg: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub) |
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| 09:37.41 | jm_ | macadamia: just press enter |
| 09:38.21 | faljse | macadamia: if its plugged into agp.. its agp :) |
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| 09:38.46 | fireba11 | faljse: or someone used a hammer to put it in |
| 09:38.55 | macadamia | j_ I cannot reset my screen resolution and I have tried just pressing enter before so now I want to do it right and this is the only answer I am shady on |
| 09:39.16 | faber2 | does dpkg or apt-get have some sort of repair mode? check all files for existence and checksum, and replace if necessary? |
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| 09:39.20 | jm_ | macadamia: that's not related to bus id |
| 09:39.32 | sep | macadamia, BUSID is only worth filling out if you have multiple gfx cards |
| 09:39.32 | jm_ | faber2: debsums, but it won't cover everything |
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| 09:39.35 | Ayman- | macadamia, choose medium monitor configuration |
| 09:40.06 | faber2 | jm_: the box was hacked, and i am not there. the new admin is still learning... |
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| 09:40.26 | misieq | is there any equivalent to bitstream font which has polish characters? |
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| 09:40.28 | jm_ | faber2: better reinstall it |
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| 09:40.52 | tarzeau | misieq: yes |
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| 09:40.57 | tarzeau | misieq: try ttf-dejavu |
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| 09:41.14 | macadamia | sep Ayman j_ thanks I will give it another go |
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| 09:41.46 | tarzeau | misieq: also ttf-gentium(non-free) and ttf-junicode could have them |
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| 09:43.19 | faber2 | jm_: what do you mean when you say debsums wont cover everything? |
| 09:43.33 | godless | question: we are looking for a "punchclock?" system. Is there anything in the debian archive that would help us towards that goal (ie ready made software or easy setup of smartcards&readers/usbkeys) |
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| 09:44.18 | jm_ | faber2: not all packages provide md5sums, plus this is only for static files, such as binaries |
| 09:44.31 | faber2 | jm_: ah ok |
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| 09:47.25 | xored | i have difficulties running ntop. I cannot login as admin. Do someone have a clue ? |
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| 09:51.37 | sep | xored, either login as root instead of admin, or type /usr/sbin/ntop |
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| 09:52.41 | misieq | tarzeau: i've installed ttf-dejavu and ttf-unicode using dpkg, but i can't see any change in fonts in kde 'control center'->look'n'feel->fonts |
| 09:53.05 | misieq | tarzeau: should i somehow register these fonts or something? |
| 09:53.31 | tarzeau | misieq: i have no idea of #debian-kde |
| 09:53.47 | tarzeau | misieq: *i* create nfonts and use them with GNUstep apps |
| 09:53.55 | tarzeau | works fantastic, and the fonts are of high quality |
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| 09:56.26 | misieq | people on #debian-kde are far less talkative :/ |
| 09:57.04 | tarzeau | misieq: i don't know what is needed to see new fonts in kde |
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| 09:58.20 | misieq | tarzeau: in konqueror there is special 'protocol', when you type 'fonts:/' in address bar it should display availble fonts, perhaps i should copy fonts files over there? |
| 09:58.51 | jm_ | misieq: tried fc-cache -f? |
| 09:58.53 | tarzeau | misieq: i don't know. try and find out? |
| 09:59.15 | sven | hello, someone could help me in QuickCam configuring please ? thx. tail -f /var/log/syslog return me "usbmgr[2028]: "audio" was loaded" but not the video, i have v4l2_common c_qcam and videodev installed but v4lctl return me "no such device" |
| 09:59.38 | misieq | jm_: it didn't work |
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| 09:59.49 | misieq | bbl |
| 09:59.56 | jm_ | misieq: then try restarting your session |
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| 10:00.15 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 10:00.39 | johns^ | finally, the respect we deserve ;) |
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| 10:01.22 | Azar | small question here: I just reinstalled woody, upgraded to Sarge, and just got the 2.6.8 precompiled kernel, I am doing modconf to revive my ethernet modules and looking at video I do not see "nv" anymore: new rule to depart the "nv" module out of modconf? |
| 10:02.19 | Azar | anyway I will install the nvidia modules separately, was just pure curiosity; mod does not contain any "nv" modules to pick |
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| 10:02.59 | valdyn | Azar: that module isnt and never was in modconf iirc |
| 10:03.11 | valdyn | Azar: its just not a kernel module |
| 10:03.13 | johns^ | can't find it also |
| 10:03.50 | Azar | it used to be listed in modconf last year, now I see there is no more |
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| 10:04.02 | valdyn | Azar: you are confusing something i think |
| 10:04.04 | Azar | hmm maybe nvidia barked at open source and poofff |
| 10:04.19 | valdyn | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will list 'nv' though |
| 10:04.35 | Azar | valdyn, I have my install /upgrade / configure written down, this is the 54th reinstall I can't miss |
| 10:04.41 | Azar | oh |
| 10:04.53 | Azar | i* |
| 10:04.58 | Azar | valdyn you rock |
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| 10:05.52 | Azar | hm |
| 10:06.02 | Azar | upgraded the kernel and lost connection |
| 10:06.05 | Azar | that IS funny |
| 10:06.33 | Azar | I remember there was a 2.6 kernel bug related with Realtek Ethernet |
| 10:06.47 | valdyn | !8138 |
| 10:06.49 | valdyn | !8139 |
| 10:06.50 | dpkg | it has been said that 8139 is see <rtl8139>,<realtek> |
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| 10:08.15 | Azar | RTL8139too :) |
| 10:08.19 | Azar | fixed it :) |
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| 10:11.24 | xored | sep: how to restrict any access to public users ? |
| 10:11.47 | tarzeau | how to quote this to wget it? http://www.daftnoize.org/zik/daftN0!ze_-_dK9_-_fuckin'_with_the_sunshine_in_my_brain.mp3 |
| 10:11.56 | Diggity | guys anyone suggest the best method of making diskimages of client machines (e.g is there a linux version of symatec ghost that works with both windows and linux pcs?) |
| 10:12.49 | Diggity | opensource version would be preferred |
| 10:12.55 | deadcat | partimage maybe |
| 10:12.59 | sven | tarzeau, i think you ll have to place specific caracteres before each anormal caracteres.. such as a \ before a <space> no ? |
| 10:13.06 | nvz | tarzeau. use " ? |
| 10:13.06 | deadcat | big maybe |
| 10:13.12 | sven | of a %20 ? |
| 10:13.15 | sven | or* |
| 10:13.28 | tzafrir_laptop | takatumi, IIRC with bash ! is not expanded inside a single quote |
| 10:14.43 | Diggity | deadcat: is there anyway of creating a complete diskimage by mounting a drive over a network - or is the only way by making the image locally? |
| 10:14.43 | tarzeau | nvz: " won't do it because of the ! |
| 10:14.46 | jm_ | deadcat: got the printer? |
| 10:14.49 | Azar | nvidia one-liner please mr dpkg |
| 10:14.52 | tarzeau | and ' i got the ' problem in the filename |
| 10:15.05 | sven | please someone have a quickcam well configured ? :) |
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| 10:15.10 | deadcat | jm_: 1205 is delivery day )= slow |
| 10:15.30 | deadcat | Diggity: not if you have windows machines. partimage can do network as well i think. |
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| 10:15.48 | tzafrir_laptop | tarzeau, cat | wget xargs |
| 10:16.02 | tzafrir_laptop | xxarges wget, that is |
| 10:16.04 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: and where is the url? |
| 10:16.09 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: ah in a file? |
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| 10:16.18 | tzafrir_laptop | pasted from stdin. yuck |
| 10:16.18 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: did you try it? |
| 10:16.21 | lestest | hi there, where can I find the description of a debian repository? |
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| 10:16.27 | Diggity | deadcat: so it doesnt matter that the disk being imaged is also being used by the system to run MS-Win? |
| 10:16.31 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: actually i got it long ago with links2, g, paste, enter |
| 10:16.37 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: are you sure that works? yuck |
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| 10:16.40 | fpitt_ | Good morning |
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| 10:16.47 | deadcat | Diggity: no clue about ms-win |
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| 10:17.11 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: it won't. yuck: xargs: unmatched single quote |
| 10:17.16 | tzafrir_laptop | xargs: unmatched single quote |
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| 10:17.30 | tzafrir_laptop | looks like it's time for perl |
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| 10:17.50 | tarzeau | no it's time to beat up people that use ! and ' in their filenames |
| 10:17.56 | Diggity | deadcat: im overseeing an accounting firm with a heap of windows machines (clients) and 2 linux servers - i need to make a disk image of the client machine (and store it on the server for emergencies) |
| 10:18.09 | deadcat | links2 -g "$(xsel -p)" <-- map this to your WM or xbindkeysrc |
| 10:18.11 | tarzeau | worst people are the ones that use / in their filenames (on mac file system) |
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| 10:18.28 | nvz | it would be real cool if i could stay connected |
| 10:18.38 | lestest | I mean a apt repository |
| 10:18.59 | tarzeau | 11:14 < tarzeau> nvz: " won't do it because of the ! |
| 10:19.01 | nvz | :( |
| 10:19.11 | deadcat | knoppix and just partimage it or dd the partition. |
| 10:19.14 | tarzeau | nvz: you can't do: echo "hello!" |
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| 10:19.38 | Diggity | deadcat - yeah thats what i was thinking - cheers for your time deadcat! |
| 10:19.47 | deadcat | k |
| 10:20.12 | ViViD | anyone know why my cdrom wont eject after mounting? |
| 10:20.24 | tarzeau | ViViD: because it's locked |
| 10:20.25 | deadcat | because its mounted |
| 10:20.36 | ViViD | i get the message umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy but its not |
| 10:20.37 | tarzeau | ViViD: you can do fuser -k mountpoint; eject to get it out no matter what |
| 10:20.41 | nvz | oh well i am at work on my cell.. so |
| 10:20.42 | tzafrir_laptop | tarzeau, seems like an anti-ripping measure. to counter that, make a page of your own that redirects wget (using http 301) to that file... |
| 10:20.43 | fireba11 | lestest: apt-cache show package ? |
| 10:20.47 | deadcat | ViViD: yes it is.. |
| 10:20.57 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: no it's just moronic use of characters in filenames |
| 10:21.01 | lestest | fireba11: I mean the structure of a apt repository tree |
| 10:21.09 | tarzeau | tzafrir_laptop: using links2 is just easier :) |
| 10:21.10 | streuner | ViViD: you cannot argue with your OS ... ;-) |
| 10:21.13 | ViViD | fuser /dev/hda gives nothing |
| 10:21.14 | fireba11 | lestest: ah .. then i don't know |
| 10:21.28 | lestest | anybody can help? |
| 10:21.33 | deadcat | ViViD: doubt hda is your cdrom |
| 10:21.39 | ViViD | it is |
| 10:21.50 | deadcat | -v |
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| 10:22.13 | tarzeau | ViViD: /dev/hda most probably isn't a mountpoint |
| 10:22.15 | streuner | ViViD: you usually connect hda as HD, and cdroms as slave... |
| 10:22.18 | tarzeau | deadcat: it could very well be |
| 10:22.25 | tarzeau | streuner: what about scsi systems? |
| 10:22.33 | fireba11 | streuner: could happen though if oyu got SATA HDs |
| 10:22.34 | ViViD | ^^ |
| 10:22.43 | nvz | ive managed 4 msgs this session :p |
| 10:22.50 | ViViD | my cdrom and dvdrom are on primary ide channel |
| 10:22.51 | streuner | tarzeau: SCSI is usually 'sda, sdb' ... ;-) |
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| 10:23.02 | tarzeau | streuner: yes there's lots of systems with hda as cd-rom |
| 10:23.05 | xored | how to get, where NTOP is listening ? |
| 10:23.08 | ViViD | where the cdrom = writer and is the master |
| 10:23.13 | streuner | tarzeau: that a mistake |
| 10:23.15 | tarzeau | ViViD: that's fine. if the bios doesn't suck, it's perfectly fine |
| 10:23.19 | tarzeau | streuner: no it's not a mistake |
| 10:23.26 | tarzeau | xored: netstat -na |
| 10:23.27 | deadcat | i prefer mine as Z: |
| 10:23.28 | ViViD | i cant eject the disc from gui either |
| 10:23.34 | tarzeau | ViViD: fuser -k /cdrom |
| 10:23.38 | streuner | tarzeau: some HD drives need to be 'master', otherwise they won't work then |
| 10:23.43 | tarzeau | ViViD: or use a paperclip |
| 10:23.44 | deadcat | ViViD: maybe your shell is in the dir. |
| 10:23.46 | fireba11 | streuner: no .. i got that here too .. IDE cd-rom and SATA HD .. so HD is sda and cd-rom is hda ^^ |
| 10:23.48 | tarzeau | ViViD: and insert it into the hole |
| 10:23.51 | tarzeau | ViViD: push hard |
| 10:24.07 | sven | please mates i need help to configure my quickcam on Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:08f0 Logitech, Inc. |
| 10:24.16 | tarzeau | sven: what kernel exactly? |
| 10:24.28 | sven | 2.6.10 |
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| 10:24.29 | deadcat | ya push it so hard and make it CUM out (= |
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| 10:24.39 | tarzeau | deadcat: you said that |
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| 10:24.49 | nvz | the random of the intermittancy makes it hard 2 ts. |
| 10:24.52 | deadcat | sure did hehe |
| 10:24.57 | ViViD | fuser /media/cdrom0 gives "/media/cdrom0: 1901" |
| 10:25.03 | tarzeau | ViViD: you forgot -k |
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| 10:25.12 | deadcat | i say the shell |
| 10:25.31 | sven | i can give you syslog message when connecting it , and webcam return message error |
| 10:25.33 | tarzeau | sven: it worked fine for me when i tried it , when i had one |
| 10:25.45 | ViViD | id hope to fix the problem so i dont have to force a cd out everytime i put one in |
| 10:25.58 | sven | the syslog tell me audio is loaded.. |
| 10:26.01 | tarzeau | ViViD: you can't eject cds that are mounted |
| 10:26.06 | sven | but no words concern the video |
| 10:26.09 | tarzeau | ViViD: unless you patch your kernel with supermount |
| 10:26.11 | tarzeau | !supermount |
| 10:26.11 | dpkg | supermount is, like, a nice patch to the kernel that the mandrake developers are working on currently. it allows to change a cd while it is mounted, which is VERY useful in wine. a patch that works for a 2.4.18 kernel can be found at http://espectro.hypermart.net/supermount.patch. README can be found at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/8144/supermount.README.txt, or see http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net |
| 10:26.17 | xored | tarzeau: i justed realizeed, that ntop is using a lot of memry. Is there something for traffic counting, which is just not as "blowed" |
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| 10:26.24 | tarzeau | i've got a patch for 2.4.31 and 2.4.32 that works |
| 10:26.30 | tarzeau | somewhere at gnu.ethz.ch/ |
| 10:26.35 | AoA | Does somebody have problem like : Create some file from ROOT and than CHMOD 000 , and than delete it from user. But when I delete from user it say : orke@eufory:~$ rm GOVNA.txt ; rm: remove write-protected regular file `GOVNA.txt'? |
| 10:26.43 | tarzeau | xored: yes ntop does that, and sucks for it. just use iptraf in screen |
| 10:26.44 | sven | and webcam return me : v4l: open /dev/video: No such device same for v4l2 |
| 10:26.52 | ViViD | fuser -k /media/cdrom0 give " /media/cdrom0: 1901 No automatic removal. Please use umount /media/cdrom0" |
| 10:26.55 | nvz | seems like i have less problem in #d than #d-ot |
| 10:26.58 | xored | tarzeau: ok |
| 10:26.59 | sven | it end by : no grabber device available |
| 10:27.00 | tarzeau | xored: i've been running iptraf for several months without problem |
| 10:27.31 | ViViD | umount /media/cdrom0 give "umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy" |
| 10:27.31 | deadcat | AoA: ya. because its owned by root |
| 10:27.39 | tarzeau | sven: do you have devfs shit? |
| 10:27.58 | sven | what about it ? kernel option ? |
| 10:28.14 | AoA | deadcat : yes, but I , USER or any other user canm delete that file |
| 10:28.14 | tarzeau | sven: no idea, looks like something is missing in /dev |
| 10:28.23 | tarzeau | sven: sven you got /dev/video* ? |
| 10:28.30 | tarzeau | sven: are you in the video group? |
| 10:28.31 | sven | sure mate |
| 10:28.34 | sven | all right |
| 10:28.34 | misieq | tarzeau: where did ttf-junicode install font files? |
| 10:28.37 | deadcat | AoA: delete a file own by root? you sure? |
| 10:28.40 | tarzeau | sven: what software do you use? |
| 10:28.42 | sven | i tryed it as root. to be sure |
| 10:28.48 | sven | mh i tryed webcam |
| 10:28.51 | tarzeau | misieq: /usr/share/fonts checkw ith dpkg -L package |
| 10:29.01 | tarzeau | sven: try xawtv |
| 10:29.08 | nvz | i will have to look at the source for virca it works best of the 3 i tried |
| 10:29.08 | AoA | deadcat : APSOLUTLY SURE !! But it is maybe because UDEV instaled and running... |
| 10:29.19 | deadcat | sven: fuck webcam. try motion or camorama |
| 10:29.38 | sven | hehe.. someone given this :) |
| 10:29.41 | xored | tarzeau: how to configure it, any howtos ? |
| 10:29.45 | deadcat | AoA: kidding me. regular user deleting files own by root.. |
| 10:29.50 | tarzeau | xored: man xawtv |
| 10:29.52 | sven | i never had the idea to buy it :) |
| 10:30.01 | deadcat | WITh perm 000 |
| 10:30.02 | sven | ill try xawtv then. brb |
| 10:30.07 | AoA | deadcat : yes, yes , yes , and CHMOD-ed by 000 |
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| 10:30.44 | deadcat | AoA: i will disagree until someone else say the same thing |
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| 10:31.21 | vasundha1 | Are U in foss.in ? |
| 10:31.22 | AoA | deadcat : do you have meybe Debian 3.1r0a Sarge ? I need somebody who has |
| 10:31.31 | deadcat | no |
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| 10:32.08 | vasundha1 | jalandhar vyas is here advocating Debian ... and U are missing the life |
| 10:32.16 | deadcat | !u |
| 10:32.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:32.32 | azeem | vasundha1: nice |
| 10:32.38 | vasundha1 | Hi Azeem |
| 10:33.04 | vasundha1 | You can have a look at the event page http://foss.in Happening in Bangalore |
| 10:33.09 | xored | tarzeau: which is the best way to run it in background ? just screen iptraff with logging ? |
| 10:33.34 | daft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.45 | AoA | I need somebody who has Debian 3.1r0a Sarge installed by default and not to much configured , to test something... |
| 10:34.08 | sven | tarzeau, xawtv : blue screen |
| 10:34.26 | Metrics | AoA: What do you need? |
| 10:36.04 | sven | station "/dev/video" not found |
| 10:36.16 | sven | if i test "mute sound" |
| 10:37.07 | AoA | Metrics : I need from you to create file from ROOT and CHMOD 000, and than delete it from regular user |
| 10:37.33 | Metrics | AoA: Yeah...I tried and I can delete it. |
| 10:37.41 | Metrics | AoA: Weird. |
| 10:37.53 | AoA | Metrics , ARE YOU 100 % sure ??? |
| 10:38.15 | Metrics | AoA: I think it matters based on the directory permissions. |
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| 10:38.42 | Zap-W | is there a config file for setterm? |
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| 10:38.50 | AoA | Metrics : I tried everything, but it might be UDEV |
| 10:39.06 | Metrics | AoA: It depends on directory perms. |
| 10:39.12 | Metrics | AoA: That the file is in. |
| 10:41.01 | AoA | Metrics : I tried to change permissons on some directory, and same thing...file deleted... |
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| 10:42.18 | Gnea | uhm |
| 10:42.31 | Gnea | AoA: if root owns it then user can't delete it, end of story. |
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| 10:42.59 | Metrics | Gnea: Not true...I think if the user owns the dir it's in then they can delete it. |
| 10:43.02 | AoA | Gnea : heh...it is easy to say that... What Debian do yu have ? |
| 10:43.19 | Gnea | Metrics: you didn't read what i said. |
| 10:43.38 | Gnea | AoA: it doesn't matter what version of linux it is, it's a universal standard. |
| 10:43.56 | Metrics | Gnea: Yes I did...you said if root owns it [what I assume is the file]? |
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| 10:44.17 | AoA | Gnea : Yes, but I thing I have some process (program) runnig , and that progam doing that |
| 10:44.42 | Gnea | Metrics: file, directory, whatever - if the uid field is set to root, then unless user has some special method (be it sudo or whatever) then no, that user can NOT delete the file. |
| 10:44.49 | Zap-W | what's the name of that package zv something that displays image files in the console |
| 10:44.58 | Gnea | not directly with rm anyway |
| 10:45.02 | Metrics | Gnea: Test it...in your home dir..touch a file as root. |
| 10:45.07 | Gnea | Zap-W: zgv |
| 10:45.08 | Metrics | Gnea: Then chmod 000 |
| 10:45.15 | Metrics | Gnea: Then delete it as normal user. |
| 10:45.43 | Zap-W | Gnea: right |
| 10:46.05 | Guerin | Metrics is not wrong |
| 10:46.16 | Metrics | Guerin: Thank you. |
| 10:46.21 | Gnea | oh ok, because it's the ~ |
| 10:46.24 | Guerin | you might not be able to view or edit the file, but if it's in a dir you have permission to access, you sure can make it go away |
| 10:46.33 | Guerin | Gnea: nothing to do with that. |
| 10:46.40 | xored | tarzeau: which level do i need for traffic-counting ? general ? |
| 10:46.40 | caphuso | Gnea, Metrics: if the user has write access to the non-sticky directory, then permissions and ownership of the file don't matter and he can delete it as he sees fit |
| 10:46.41 | Gnea | Metrics: right, it can be done within a directory that the user has uid/gid ownership of |
| 10:46.53 | va | i want to compile a kernel, but i want to start with the debian's config and change just a couple of things, not worry about setting up initrd, /dev and similar things (the one i compiled with the default kernel.org config doesn't even boot fully). How should i do this? |
| 10:47.06 | Metrics | AoA: So basically...what's the problem? |
| 10:47.31 | Gnea | caphuso: i am fully aware of that. the distinction was not made apparant, and AoA thought it was distribution-specific |
| 10:47.40 | caphuso | it's unix specific |
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| 10:47.48 | Gnea | thank you :) |
| 10:47.53 | vasundha1 | join #bangalore |
| 10:48.03 | Gnea | vasundha1: no. |
| 10:48.24 | Guerin | mmm, india |
| 10:48.24 | AoA | Gnea : I have many UNIXEs and only this, debian has that problem |
| 10:48.26 | Guerin | i can't wait |
| 10:48.30 | caphuso | va: copy /boot/config-whatever to /path/to/kernelsrc/.config |
| 10:48.35 | Gnea | AoA: you mean unicies? |
| 10:48.39 | Guerin | unices |
| 10:48.46 | Gnea | unices |
| 10:48.51 | AoA | Gnea : U nixes |
| 10:48.55 | Guerin | or unixen, if you want to be meta about it |
| 10:49.01 | jm_ | Guerin: one question regarding your internet connection, if you don't mind -- do you know what type is it? |
| 10:49.01 | AoA | hahhha |
| 10:49.04 | AoA | jesuuuusss |
| 10:49.05 | Metrics | Multiple Unix Boxes. |
| 10:49.10 | Gnea | AoA: well, unices is proper. |
| 10:49.13 | Zap-W | how to turn off screen powersaving in the console |
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| 10:49.35 | AoA | Gnea : unixes or unices or unisex , I STIL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM |
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| 10:49.44 | Gnea | do it proper or don't do it :) |
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| 10:49.53 | Gnea | j/k |
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| 10:50.13 | hoopotus | Hi. How do I put all permissions to a directory and subdirectories with chmod? this is because cd-ripper complains no permissions to write |
| 10:50.20 | Gnea | AoA: are you sure the ownership permissions on the users homedirs are identical across the distributions? |
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| 10:50.32 | SlayerXP | hoopotus: "man chmod" look for "recursive" |
| 10:50.50 | AoA | Metrics : Do you still can delete root created file and CHMOD 000, from user ? |
| 10:50.53 | hoopotus | SlayerXP, that doesn't say anything to me because there's no examples. |
| 10:51.04 | Guerin | jm_: in what sense? |
| 10:51.05 | va | caphuso: what about initrd? will make_kpkg build one for me? |
| 10:51.11 | Gnea | find /dir -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 10:51.14 | Guerin | jm_: cable, dsl, etc? |
| 10:51.15 | SlayerXP | hoopotus: it's a single switch. |
| 10:51.16 | hoopotus | SlayerXP, recursiveness is not the problem but the whole chmod |
| 10:51.17 | jm_ | Guerin: i.e. ADSL/SDSL, VDSL |
| 10:51.17 | Metrics | AoA: Yep...like we discussed. It depends on the directory that it is in/ |
| 10:51.19 | caphuso | va: with the appropriate switches |
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| 10:51.31 | Metrics | AoA: The permissions of the directory. |
| 10:51.34 | SlayerXP | hoopotus: okay, then you need to read a UNIX newbie guide |
| 10:51.38 | valdyn | AoA: ls -ld . |
| 10:51.40 | hoopotus | SlayerXP, ok |
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| 10:51.57 | SlayerXP | hoopotus: you need to read a UNIX newbie guide _before_ you start screwing around with file permissions |
| 10:52.00 | Guerin | jm_: they CALL it vdsl, but in all honesty I think it's just an eth cable to a dhcp router to fibre |
| 10:52.02 | AoA | Metrics : how did you set that ? just CHMOD 755 DIR ? |
| 10:52.09 | yang | I have dependancy problem, if someone can have a look at http://pastebin.com/443363 |
| 10:52.16 | jm_ | Guerin: probably VDSL2 then, thanks |
| 10:52.23 | Metrics | AoA: Set to to whatever you want it to be. |
| 10:52.34 | Metrics | AoA: *it |
| 10:52.38 | SlayerXP | yang: that's not a dependancy problem |
| 10:52.50 | va | caphuso: and the initrd will know that it needs to setup my software raid? i might be wrong but as i understand the software raid that i setup during the istall and that / is mounted on is setup by initrd. |
| 10:52.53 | hoopotus | SlayerXP, is it also so when I'm not able to write on a USB stick for the same reason? |
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| 10:52.58 | Gnea | AoA: for instance, users on one of my debian boxen have user.user ownership on their ${HOME} and so they can do anything in their own home directories. The only thing they CAN'T do is remove directories that they don't own, only files. |
| 10:53.02 | caphuso | va: it should |
| 10:53.06 | yang | SlayerXP: I wanted to upgrade from sarge to etch, and i get those errors |
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| 10:53.37 | Gnea | d--------- 2 root root 4096 2005-11-30 03:52 yadablah/ |
| 10:53.39 | caphuso | Gnea: that's because they can't delete the files in that directory |
| 10:53.51 | Gnea | rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `yadablah/': Permission denied |
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| 10:54.09 | va | caphuso: thanks. off to try it |
| 10:54.12 | Gnea | caphuso: right. even if the directory is empty, it's impossible. |
| 10:54.59 | AoA | Gnea : for examle , I create some DIR on some other HDD , other than linux installed and there I cerate DIR (owner ROOT, group ROOT, CHMOD 000). Than I log in as I regular user and Delete it |
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| 10:55.46 | caphuso | $ sudo mkdir testdir; sudo chmod 000 testdir; ls -ld testdir; rmdir testdir; ls -d testdir |
| 10:55.49 | valdyn | AoA: which file system is on that other HDD ? |
| 10:55.49 | caphuso | d--------- 2 root root 4096 Nov 30 11:55 testdir/ |
| 10:55.51 | caphuso | /bin/ls: testdir: No such file or directory |
| 10:55.57 | misieq | how do i install kde 3.5 finall on debian? |
| 10:56.14 | deadcat | like i said earlier. how the f can you rm a 000 file own by root? |
| 10:56.15 | Gnea | AoA: that's filesystem independent, and the whole who-owns-the-directory-above-it-and-what-permissions-are-on-it come back into play |
| 10:56.23 | Azar | what is the magic name of firefox package that apt knows? |
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| 10:56.26 | deadcat | misieq: you wait. |
| 10:56.38 | misieq | deadcat: how long? |
| 10:56.39 | deadcat | Azar: apt-cache search firefox |
| 10:56.39 | caphuso | Azar: apt-cache search firefox |
| 10:56.43 | deadcat | misieq: few months |
| 10:56.44 | niklaus | i have 2.6.3 kernel and a usb modem. I have compiled the kernel |
| 10:56.51 | misieq | deadcat: omg..... |
| 10:56.54 | Metrics | deadcat: Have you been paying attention at all? |
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| 10:57.00 | deadcat | Metrics: to what? |
| 10:57.12 | niklaus | now the lights on the modem are same as windows. But i don't know the device name of the modem like /dev/usb/ACM0 c 166 0 (mknod ) doesn't work |
| 10:57.12 | Metrics | deadcat: The conversation about permissions? |
| 10:57.16 | dimir | G'day! |
| 10:57.17 | vasundha1 | Are you in india? U love FOSS (free and open source software ) you are not in Bangalore, Palace attending foss.in May be you think you are missing a lot ...http://foss.in |
| 10:57.27 | deadcat | Metrics: no. i just got back brushing my teeth. |
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| 10:57.47 | Gnea | !troll vasundha1 |
| 10:58.05 | vasundha1 | dpkg ? |
| 10:58.23 | Metrics | deadcat: For deleting files, the directory the file is in has the controlling permissions. |
| 10:58.34 | vasundha1 | Gnea ... |
| 10:58.42 | vasundha1 | Can u tell me what it means? |
| 10:58.48 | Azar | thank you guys |
| 10:58.52 | yang | Aren't trolls from Norway :)? |
| 10:58.59 | deadcat | Metrics: thats true.. but he didnt tell me the dir is own by the user earlier |
| 10:59.24 | deadcat | vasundha1: oh my god. FOSS my ass. its a porn site. |
| 10:59.31 | deadcat | i go tsuckered again.. |
| 10:59.33 | AoA | Metrics : give me some example how did you CHMOD dir and file in it , I want to try that |
| 10:59.38 | vasundha1 | Man no .... |
| 10:59.42 | vasundha1 | dead cat ... |
| 10:59.48 | vasundha1 | http://foss.in |
| 10:59.50 | caphuso | deadcat: the directory doesn't need to be owned by the user, he only needs write access (and it mustn't be sticky) |
| 11:00.02 | vasundha1 | Its not porn ... Its free and open source event page |
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| 11:01.00 | hoopotus | by the way, how to find text in man? "man man" doesn't help. |
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| 11:01.08 | caphuso | hoopotus: man pager |
| 11:01.08 | AoA | caphuso : I set CHMOD 000 for some directory and create file in from user... |
| 11:01.27 | hoopotus | caphuso, thanks |
| 11:01.32 | niklaus | i have compiled 2.6.3 kernel and have modules installed. I need the device for my usb modem. I tried mknod /dev/usb/ACM0 c 166 0 , but it doesn't work , Can anyone help me ? |
| 11:01.39 | Zap-W_ | is there a way to reset the console terminal , it gave be garbage characters after exiting a svga app zgv , i tried "reset" but it didn't do it |
| 11:01.52 | valdyn | AoA: go to that DIR, run 'ls -ld .', look at that. |
| 11:02.09 | Gnea | vasundha1: right, but why are you telling us this? this isn't an advertising channel. |
| 11:02.18 | orchid | Zap-W_: reset |
| 11:02.29 | Gnea | niklaus: upgrade your kernel, 2.6.3 is too old |
| 11:02.31 | Azar | I can't seem to find the open office with apt-cache, I need a hint :) |
| 11:02.32 | orchid | Zap-W_: sry, didn't see the last part |
| 11:02.35 | vasundha1 | Well No, I wanted all of you to know about the event and dont miss |
| 11:02.40 | AoA | valdyn : morke@eufory:~/GOVNA$ ls -ld drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-11-30 11:42 . morke@eufory:~/GOVNA$ |
| 11:02.43 | niklaus | drivers/usb/core/message.c: USB device number 2 default language ID 0x409 |
| 11:02.43 | niklaus | usb 1-2: Product: SmartAX MT882 |
| 11:02.43 | niklaus | usb 1-2: Manufacturer: GlobespanVirata |
| 11:02.43 | niklaus | usb 1-2: SerialNumber: 00:0f:a3:54:bd:f1 |
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| 11:03.14 | niklaus | Gnea: well it works |
| 11:03.14 | Gnea | !tell niklaus about flood |
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| 11:03.53 | AMANDA | hello |
| 11:03.53 | Metrics | AoA: Join #paste |
| 11:03.54 | orchid | Azar: apt-cache search openoffice.org ? |
| 11:04.07 | Gnea | niklaus: if it works then what's the problem? no, 2.6.8 is the current in sarge and we support sarge here |
| 11:04.30 | Gnea | niklaus: you'll probably solve many more headaches at the same time |
| 11:04.45 | Azar | ah orchid, thanks |
| 11:04.46 | AMANDA | hello ; any one chat me § |
| 11:05.16 | Azar | we dont chat with bots |
| 11:05.24 | Gnea | we don't? |
| 11:05.27 | Azar | oh wait, we do |
| 11:05.27 | AMANDA | bots !!! |
| 11:05.29 | niklaus | Gnea: it works (all the modules load properly) but i don't know the device name like /dev/usb/acm/0 for another modem . I want to know the device name or the tool by which i can find out the registerd usb devices at adrress |
| 11:05.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:05.36 | Azar | I just finished chatting with mr kpg |
| 11:05.51 | blindboygrunt | hi all - if I make any changes to my sshd_config file - do I have to restart ssh? |
| 11:06.03 | bibe | blindboygrunt : of course yes |
| 11:06.04 | Gnea | niklaus: but what version of debian are you running? sarage? |
| 11:06.05 | AMANDA | wait you |
| 11:06.07 | Gnea | er, sarge? |
| 11:06.24 | blindboygrunt | bibe: thanks - I'm trying to impliment use of keys |
| 11:06.39 | niklaus | Gnea: no , i only downloaded the kernel some time back |
| 11:06.46 | Azar | three hours and seven minutes a full reinstall, and configuration of a brand new Sarge !! |
| 11:06.52 | Gnea | niklaus: you're not running debian? |
| 11:07.00 | niklaus | Gnea: yes i am |
| 11:07.09 | niklaus | Gnea: actually it is woody |
| 11:07.19 | AMANDA | hello |
| 11:07.23 | niklaus | with new kernel |
| 11:07.28 | Gnea | niklaus: you should upgrade to sarge, woody is way old |
| 11:07.30 | AMANDA | niklaus : hello |
| 11:07.35 | Azar | I am so proud, like I was with my woody too |
| 11:07.36 | Gnea | !woody->sarge |
| 11:07.44 | Gnea | hrmm |
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| 11:08.14 | Azar | woody is good if you do not want but only command line stuff |
| 11:08.19 | AMANDA | niklaus:hello boy |
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| 11:08.36 | niklaus | AMANDA: hi |
| 11:08.37 | Azar | use /ignore AMANDA, niklaus |
| 11:08.37 | AMANDA | jersey:hello |
| 11:08.47 | jersey | hello |
| 11:08.56 | Azar | ignore the dam bot |
| 11:08.56 | Gnea | AMANDA: do you know what #debian is? |
| 11:08.57 | AMANDA | how are you §§§ |
| 11:09.07 | jersey | jep |
| 11:09.38 | jersey | what about Debian |
| 11:09.42 | misieq | if i compile kde 3.5 from source how is it going to influence apt system? |
| 11:10.00 | AMANDA | jersey:you do not chat me §§§ |
| 11:10.04 | |Treuf| | How can I change the language displayed in my shell (for example by aptitude or dpkg) ? On the culprit I have the following message when typing locale : Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 11:10.05 | Guerin | misieq: not if you put it all in /opt |
| 11:10.05 | orchid | misieq: it wont, but apt wont know about it |
| 11:10.06 | Ayman- | misieq, apt will now know unless you install a debian package |
| 11:10.12 | Guerin | misieq: and I do mean ALL |
| 11:10.22 | jersey | yes |
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| 11:10.40 | AMANDA | jersey:chat me plaese |
| 11:10.44 | Guerin | AMANDA: please go to #teenchat |
| 11:10.52 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.58 | Guerin | AMANDA: or #fucktardchat |
| 11:10.59 | groton | if update-modules is obsolete, what is it not now? :) |
| 11:11.19 | Guerin | groton: just edit /etc/modules |
| 11:11.21 | AMANDA | Guerin : you are sly |
| 11:11.28 | misieq | if i install kde 3.5 in /opt with all its dependecies is it going to work? |
| 11:11.34 | jethro | @irritate AMANDA |
| 11:11.39 | Guerin | groton: don't touch modules.conf or anything |
| 11:11.41 | jethro | :[ |
| 11:11.45 | azeem | AMANDA: this is a technical channel about the Debian operating system |
| 11:11.46 | plbgnr | |Treuf|: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:11.53 | Guerin | misieq: depends if you do it right or if you fuck it up. |
| 11:11.54 | Gnea | !smite AMANDA |
| 11:11.58 | AMANDA | aha |
| 11:12.08 | azeem | AMANDA: if you do not have questions about Debian and/or want to participate in user support, please either stay quiet and listen or leave |
| 11:12.16 | misieq | Guerin: how do i do it right? :) |
| 11:12.16 | azeem | AMANDA: thanks for your cooperation |
| 11:12.25 | |Treuf| | plbgnr: that didn't work ... |
| 11:12.26 | yang | I have dependancy problem, if someone can have a look at http://pastebin.com/443363 |
| 11:12.31 | Guerin | misieq: follow the instructions on kde.org and/or ask in #kde |
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| 11:12.38 | AMANDA | i want know every thing about Debian |
| 11:12.56 | groton | AMANDA, Debian is not a cute boy |
| 11:12.58 | yang | AMANDA: check www.debian.org |
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| 11:13.09 | AMANDA | i know |
| 11:13.11 | groton | Guerin, thanks |
| 11:13.14 | jersey | Is there any way to install skype in debian based system? AMD64 Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy |
| 11:13.20 | Gnea | !newbie-guide |
| 11:13.20 | dpkg | [newbie-guide] you've decided to do away with windows or are pondering it and want to use Linux.. good for you! But this isn't windows, you can't just install it and be up and running unless it's a livecd, that isn't even finished yet.. you need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) which are located at http://www.justlinux.com and http://www.tldp.org, also see http://www.debian.org and http://www.google.com chances are they know the answer! |
| 11:13.31 | azeem | jersey: not sure whether you can for amd64 |
| 11:13.36 | azeem | jersey: but you can in general |
| 11:13.38 | orchid | yang: change the debconf frontend maybe |
| 11:13.54 | yang | orchid: how? |
| 11:13.58 | azeem | jersey: there are HOWTOs on the net, I believe |
| 11:14.12 | groton | Guerin, but if i would need to add something like "alias eth0 nvnet"? i guess i cant add it directly to modules.conf |
| 11:14.28 | orchid | yang: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 11:14.34 | Gnea | yang: ouch - what kernel are you running? |
| 11:14.36 | AMANDA | sorry for every one |
| 11:14.42 | yang | Gnea: 2.6.8 |
| 11:14.45 | AMANDA | i am sorry |
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| 11:15.13 | Gnea | AMANDA: that's cool, did someone tell you to come here? |
| 11:15.16 | valdyn | groton: on which debian release are you trying to control which nic is eth0 with that line? |
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| 11:15.44 | groton | valdyn, unstable, it is an nforce nvidia nic |
| 11:15.59 | valdyn | groton: this wont work if you have udev installed |
| 11:16.07 | groton | valdyn, i dont have udev |
| 11:16.16 | valdyn | groton: and its not really a safe method either way.. |
| 11:16.19 | Gnea | yang: in sarge? |
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| 11:16.32 | valdyn | groton: alright, feel free to add a new file with whatever in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 11:16.34 | AMANDA | some one told me to enter to here |
| 11:16.42 | groton | valdyn, do you mean i must use udev? |
| 11:16.43 | Gnea | AMANDA: who? |
| 11:16.51 | AMANDA | orchid |
| 11:16.56 | Gnea | AMANDA: why? |
| 11:17.11 | vasundha1 | Any one got an IBM laptop with debian installed and using wify access? |
| 11:17.15 | orchid | AMANDA: umm, no, I don't even know you |
| 11:17.19 | valdyn | groton: no, having udev installed in unstable is one way to guarantee that that alias shows not the effect you think it has |
| 11:17.21 | jersey | Has anyone a working Ati-9600XT card on Ubuntu AMD64 |
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| 11:17.46 | Zap-W_ | say, what's the real advantage of running Frame Buffer device |
| 11:17.50 | plbgnr | |Treuf|:...so `env|grep LANG` is set correct ? |
| 11:17.50 | groton | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.14 | AMANDA | what is your real name : orchid |
| 11:18.28 | yang | Gnea: I have this troubles becouse i upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 11:18.29 | Gnea | ok, that does it |
| 11:18.58 | jethro | jersey: don't you think #ubuntu is more inclined to know than #debian? |
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| 11:19.12 | Gnea | yang: ffs, etch is missing a lot of packages, why did you do that? did someone tell you it was better? |
| 11:19.22 | groton | valdyn, oh, now i recall i usually put the aliases in /etc/modutils/aliases adn then i run update-modules |
| 11:19.36 | Tchiak | O_o |
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| 11:19.44 | valdyn | groton: use /etc/modprobe.d/ and create a new file there |
| 11:20.02 | xored | hello. I used dss authorisation with my server under windows through putty. Now iam on debian and iam wonder how to connect to the server. ssh -i keyfile etc fails on the parafrase. But as i edited the file, the ppk file is just for putty. How to get a file which is ready for ssh under debain ? |
| 11:20.44 | jersey | Ubuntu is Debian Or? |
| 11:20.55 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 11:20.55 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 11:21.04 | Lestek | hi all, is here a channel for polish users? what name? |
| 11:21.11 | Gnea | jersey: no, ubuntu is not debian |
| 11:21.19 | Gnea | !pl |
| 11:21.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 11:21.20 | valdyn | groton: the thing is that that alias only _incidentally_ determines wich nic is eth0 on some systems, it really doesnt directly affect that. |
| 11:21.32 | jethro | jersey: no |
| 11:21.36 | Lestek | thx |
| 11:21.38 | Nigel | Gnea Oh DARN IT, i thought it was.... |
| 11:21.41 | Nigel | ;) |
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| 11:21.54 | AMANDA | i am here nigle |
| 11:21.56 | Gnea | Nigel: sucker ;) |
| 11:22.02 | groton | valdyn, after having created a new file in /etc/modprobe.d do i need to run something, or that's enough? |
| 11:22.13 | valdyn | groton: that's enough |
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| 11:22.18 | Lestek | !pl |
| 11:22.18 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 11:22.25 | groton | valdyn, thanks for the support |
| 11:22.39 | yang | Gnea: Yes, I had old packages in sarge only, and i wanted to install kvirc which was newly packaged for etch... |
| 11:22.46 | sascha_ | hi there |
| 11:22.46 | Nigel | AMANDA ??? |
| 11:22.48 | Zap-W_ | anyone know something similar to zgv |
| 11:22.50 | AMANDA | yes |
| 11:22.52 | Arnald | How can I make portmap bind to loopback + 1 external interface? |
| 11:23.27 | Arnald | The man page is unclear |
| 11:23.42 | Gnea | yang: then locating a backport or creating a backport for that one package would have been better - now you're stuck, but it may yet be possible to move forward - you could try upgrading to unstable and living life on the edge, or you can reinstall sarge and start over |
| 11:23.50 | Gnea | !backport |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 11:23.57 | Arnald | If I put two options lines in /etc/default/portmap, it takes last one |
| 11:23.57 | jethro | Arnald: vim /etc/default/portmap |
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| 11:24.08 | Arnald | jethro: see above ;) |
| 11:24.09 | Tchiak | press, w, y, b, while holding down the space bar, and typing guneshisa is great and tapping on the escape key for 20 minutes |
| 11:24.27 | yang | Gnea: that sucks...I wanted to keep my distribution up to date with etch being the next release... |
| 11:24.35 | jethro | Arnald: why would you need two identical option lines? |
| 11:24.44 | jersey | Sorry! I am new with this! "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system that starts with the breadth of Debian?" |
| 11:24.49 | valdyn | Arnald: i dont think you can do that generally ( though im not sure ). |
| 11:24.50 | Arnald | I diddn't say they were identical |
| 11:24.58 | Gnea | yang: well, then maybe i'm not the one who should be giving you advice :) |
| 11:25.10 | Arnald | valdyn: I think I'ver solved it |
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| 11:25.24 | yang | Gnea: do you know how i can fix those dependancies...? I cant install any new package anymore... |
| 11:25.26 | Arnald | put both in one line, comma separated |
| 11:25.35 | AMANDA | Nigel: i am here |
| 11:25.41 | Arnald | it is NOT documented though, so I hope it's safe |
| 11:25.41 | Gnea | yang: i honestly don't, i don't use etch |
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| 11:26.17 | valdyn | Arnald: 'netstat -plunt | grep portmap' ( as root ), i'd be curious to see that |
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| 11:27.16 | abur | I want to run a custom script after a full debian installation ... that is just after base-config is run ... how could I automate that ? |
| 11:27.36 | Arnald | valdyn: 0.0.0.0 - I might have opened it up again! |
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| 11:28.21 | Arnald | I have an external and an internal interface. I want to bind portmap to looback + the internal interface |
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| 11:28.59 | ivho | hejeh |
| 11:29.15 | jethro | Arnald: just bind to the internal interface. it should be sufficient |
| 11:29.17 | jm_ | abur: did you look at Debian installer FAQ+Wiki? |
| 11:29.34 | Arnald | jethro: so I can then mount from other machines? |
| 11:29.48 | yang | Is there a way to specify IPv4 only address for mozilla queries, it seems like its trying to get ipv6 address, when i type it in |
| 11:30.08 | xored | can someone help me generation a ssh key with paraphrase ? |
| 11:30.27 | yang | xored: you can use ssh-keygen |
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| 11:30.40 | abur | jm_, no I'm going to have a look there .. I hade to get the "Debian installer FAQ+Wiki" name... thanks |
| 11:30.58 | jethro | xored: just use puttygen to convert the .ppk file to an openssh compatible one |
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| 11:31.30 | xored | jethro: can i just you ssh to connect ? |
| 11:31.37 | xored | jethro: wihtout putty ? |
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| 11:32.38 | valdyn | Arnald: i think you need to use /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny for this |
| 11:32.53 | jethro | xored: read man ssh-keygen to make sure. I'm not quite sure you can convert .ppk to openssh keys with ssh-keygen, that's why I suggeted puttygen. on the other hand you can create a new keypar with ssh-keygen |
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| 11:33.02 | Arnald | I have that already, just not sure how the portmapper needs to be configured |
| 11:33.10 | Tchiak | it is so cold here ice does not melt :( |
| 11:33.14 | xored | jethro: ys, i want to create new. |
| 11:33.15 | valdyn | Arnald: bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| 11:33.16 | kevor | hi there, is there a way to install a program in a prefixdir without usage of the root account? |
| 11:33.20 | Arnald | I had it wide open, but got loads of firewall log messages |
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| 11:33.30 | xored | jethro: i want a dsa with paraphrase |
| 11:33.40 | jethro | damn it |
| 11:33.45 | Arnald | valdyn: that's where I started from |
| 11:33.51 | jethro | now I'm no longer wondering why I spent so much time out of #debian |
| 11:33.58 | Arnald | I want to fix the log message flood |
| 11:34.05 | valdyn | Arnald: then you just need to shut up your firewall.. |
| 11:34.07 | kevor | i still wonder how to install without root :P |
| 11:34.17 | Arnald | valdyn: ;) |
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| 11:34.28 | litage | when a cron job generates output, the output is mailed to root@localhost, or whatever you have setup. on most of my machines, this works. however, on one of them, no mail is sent. how can i figure out what's going on? |
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| 11:34.42 | aethera | hey all |
| 11:34.48 | aethera | I just did a dist-upgrade |
| 11:34.54 | aethera | and it got kde4 stuff |
| 11:35.00 | aethera | but I am still running kde3.3 |
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| 11:35.23 | aethera | 3.4 even |
| 11:35.32 | xored | yang: i created to pairs now, called connect and connect.pup. where should i copy the connect ( server ?) and the pub ( client? ) |
| 11:35.46 | pureone | kde 3.5 just came out..... |
| 11:35.55 | aethera | yeah how can I get to 3.5? |
| 11:36.09 | misieq | scroll few pages up :) |
| 11:36.40 | valdyn | !latest |
| 11:36.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 11:36.44 | aethera | ? |
| 11:36.45 | pureone | compile it from source i guess |
| 11:36.58 | aethera | misieq: I jsut joined |
| 11:37.06 | Arnald | hmm, even with bind to loopback only, I still get firewall messages from the external interface - wierd |
| 11:37.06 | misieq | there are some packages on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 11:37.18 | misieq | however afaict these are incomplete yet |
| 11:37.26 | aethera | hmm |
| 11:37.27 | aethera | well |
| 11:37.27 | misieq | you may want to use rc1 |
| 11:37.30 | aethera | I want to go 3.4 |
| 11:37.36 | aethera | for the moment then |
| 11:37.38 | misieq | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5-rc1/ |
| 11:37.54 | aethera | is that all of them? |
| 11:37.54 | misieq | they are said to be pretty reliable |
| 11:38.33 | misieq | aethera: i'm going to install kde 3.5 right now and i'm also looking for some information on how to do it properly |
| 11:38.56 | aethera | misieq: what deb sources are you using? |
| 11:39.03 | xored | i created to pairs dsa now, called connect and connect.pup. where should i copy the connect ( server ?) and the pub ( client? ) ? |
| 11:39.07 | misieq | aethera: for kde? |
| 11:39.12 | aethera | yeah |
| 11:39.32 | nksen | anyone uses squirrelmail on debian sarge and can give me some hints on why changing the language does not work? |
| 11:39.34 | misieq | aethera: i've just set up my debian 3.1r0 yestrday from official dvd images |
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| 11:39.42 | aethera | I did that aswell |
| 11:39.43 | misieq | aethera: so i have kde 3.3.2 currently |
| 11:39.48 | aethera | I also do |
| 11:40.08 | misieq | aethera: i think i'm going to compile whole kde from source |
| 11:40.17 | misieq | aethera: from konstruct readme: |
| 11:40.18 | misieq | By default "Konstruct" installs to ~/kde3.5/ which means you don't have to |
| 11:40.19 | misieq | possess root privileges or risk to damage your system or affect another KDE. |
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| 11:40.34 | misieq | aethera: so it seems we risk nothing |
| 11:40.35 | pureone | kde will take ages to compile :) |
| 11:40.52 | aethera | pureone: its binary packages |
| 11:40.53 | aethera | :) |
| 11:40.57 | sparr | I am looking for a spreadsheet program that can "open" a mysql database table and work with it like a spreadsheet, including formulas, then "save" the values of the formulas back to the database. |
| 11:41.12 | misieq | pureone: i've compiled kde once (i think it was 3.4) and it took about a day or so... |
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| 11:41.23 | aethera | how can I even go to 3.4? |
| 11:41.27 | pureone | same here when i tested out gentoo |
| 11:41.37 | pureone | !topic aethera |
| 11:41.37 | bibe | misieq : does konstruct produce .deb packages? I'd like to share kde3.5 in my office workstations |
| 11:41.46 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 11:41.50 | misieq | aethera: try http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ |
| 11:41.50 | pureone | hmm wheres dpkg |
| 11:41.53 | pureone | !test |
| 11:41.54 | dpkg | No, pureone, you're not online any more. |
| 11:41.58 | pureone | !topic |
| 11:41.58 | obsvuugj | witch is better? Mozilla or Firefox ? |
| 11:42.12 | aethera | misieq: I dont want to compile from source |
| 11:42.15 | pureone | aethera /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 11:42.15 | sparr | mozilla is far more mature and has more options |
| 11:42.18 | aethera | I want the deb ones |
| 11:42.19 | sparr | firefox is faster and has more features |
| 11:42.21 | aethera | msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 11:42.33 | misieq | bibe: i don't think so, however you may try to do them once you've compiled it |
| 11:42.35 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.41 | misieq | aethera: these are binary |
| 11:42.46 | Tchiak | !libdvdcss |
| 11:42.46 | dpkg | hmm... libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 11:42.48 | rindolf | dh-make-perl does not follow dependencies on my Debian Sarge (used to be Debian Woody) machine. On a different machine it works perfectly. What's wrong? |
| 11:43.01 | Tchiak | @_@ |
| 11:43.01 | rindolf | I can nopaste stuff etc. |
| 11:43.13 | misieq | aethera: er.... it seems that they no longer have 3.4 there |
| 11:43.13 | obsvuugj | and how do I install the new version (1.5) of firefox ? |
| 11:43.36 | yang | I have dependancy problem, if someone can have a look at http://pastebin.com/443363 This happened when i upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 11:43.43 | tzafrir_laptop | hi rindolf, what do you mean? |
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| 11:43.56 | aethera | misieq: I dont think we will goto 3.5 soon |
| 11:43.57 | rindolf | tzafrir_laptop: hi! |
| 11:44.02 | faber2 | does debian has a live cd or a recovery cd ? |
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| 11:44.16 | misieq | aethera: anyway i think i'll compile 3.5 today :) |
| 11:44.27 | tarzeau | faber2: neither |
| 11:44.31 | rindolf | tzafrir_laptop: I'm using dh-make-perl which is an interface above CPAN.pm that also packages the CPAN modules as .deb's and installs them. |
| 11:44.32 | aethera | misieq: you see I can not compile it |
| 11:44.43 | misieq | aethera: why? |
| 11:44.45 | rindolf | tzafrir_laptop: I'm running: dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan XML::CompareML |
| 11:44.46 | pureone | the netinstall disk can be used for recovery, other then that you can use knoppix/dsl/kanotix whatever |
| 11:44.49 | tzafrir_laptop | faber2, no. Though if you know what you're doing, the installer's CD provides a very handy shell for recovery |
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| 11:45.00 | aethera | misieq: this is my production box |
| 11:45.03 | rindolf | tzafrir_laptop: and it reports a dep error, but won't install the dependency |
| 11:45.05 | misieq | aethera: there are packages for 3.4.3 here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.3/ |
| 11:45.29 | tzafrir_laptop | rindolf, I normally simply extract a tarball and use dh-make-perl to convert it to a deb |
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| 11:45.40 | aethera | misieq: the deb? |
| 11:46.26 | misieq | aethera: yes |
| 11:46.33 | misieq | aethera: also try http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianKDE |
| 11:46.45 | faber2 | tzafrir_laptop: mmhh.. is there ssh/sshd on the installer cd? |
| 11:46.49 | misieq | aethera: "DebianTesting currently contains most of KDE 3.4.2 (excluding kdevelop3 and kdeaddons)." |
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| 11:47.28 | aethera | yeah |
| 11:47.34 | aethera | my kdevelop is broken atm |
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| 11:47.40 | rindolf | tzafrir_laptop: that's nice, but CPAN (and dh-make-perl) also have dependency resultion - similar to apt-get |
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| 11:48.15 | tzafrir_laptop | faber2, basically, yes. Though I'm not sure what command-line parameter you need to load its udeb |
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| 11:49.29 | misieq | anyone knows if is it worth compiling kde 3.5 or should i rather install binary 3.5rc1? |
| 11:49.45 | misieq | aethera: as i said, you can still install 3.5rc1 |
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| 11:50.11 | misieq | aethera: ask in #debian-kde or #kde |
| 11:50.11 | aethera | misieq: from source |
| 11:50.20 | misieq | aethera: no, from binary debs |
| 11:50.36 | aethera | misieq: you got the apt sources for that? |
| 11:51.14 | aethera | misieq: can I pm? |
| 11:51.36 | misieq | aethera: yes |
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| 11:55.43 | bibe | is there an easy way to add opendocument support to openoffice 1.1.3 (sarge)? I open an .odt document and I get an empty Writer document, with no warnings at all |
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| 11:56.18 | bibe | file <file>.odt returns Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract |
| 11:56.46 | Silent_al | dpkg , odt |
| 11:56.55 | ytripppy | how do i get a USB mouse to work in GNOME? |
| 11:57.32 | Silent_al | bibe, have u tried to extract it? =\ |
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| 11:57.57 | Silent_al | ytripppy, u mean on X |
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| 11:58.17 | bibe | Silent_al : only some XML files and two png images |
| 11:58.37 | ytripppy | yeah. thats what i meant. |
| 11:58.51 | Silent_al | ytripppy , ur on Sarge? |
| 11:59.01 | Guerin | !ur |
| 11:59.02 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 11:59.32 | ytripppy | Silent_al: yes i believe so. |
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| 12:03.04 | ytripppy | as root ln -s /dev/usb1 /dev/mouse |
| 12:03.43 | ytripppy | whats the correct dev for specifing usb port? |
| 12:03.54 | jm_ | /dev/input/mice |
| 12:04.05 | Silent_al | ytripppy,if so, you should edit the input device section in /etc/X11/xf86.config-4 if im not mistaking with the file name |
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| 12:04.48 | LostNoobs | I |
| 12:04.50 | LostNoobs | Hi |
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| 12:05.07 | LostNoobs | I configur /etc/wgetrc and ~/.wgetrc |
| 12:05.10 | LostNoobs | for use proxy |
| 12:05.16 | LostNoobs | but I don"t work |
| 12:05.20 | LostNoobs | it say : |
| 12:05.26 | LostNoobs | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 400 Bad Request |
| 12:05.26 | LostNoobs | 11:57:07 ERROR 400: Bad Request. |
| 12:05.30 | jm_ | !tell LostNoobs -about enter |
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| 12:05.47 | LostNoobs | oh |
| 12:05.49 | LostNoobs | Bad Request. |
| 12:06.06 | Haukkari | Hello... Might I ask why OpenOffice won't install in my Debian unstable? :) And how come it appears to be OpenOffice 1? |
| 12:06.14 | LostNoobs | no |
| 12:06.15 | pureone | export htt_proxy=http://ip:port |
| 12:06.17 | LostNoobs | Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 407 Proxy Authentication Required |
| 12:06.17 | LostNoobs | 12:10:24 ERROR 407: Proxy Authentication Required. |
| 12:06.28 | LostNoobs | pureone I all ready do this |
| 12:06.34 | pureone | ok |
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| 12:06.47 | pureone | then put your username and password for the proxy |
| 12:06.51 | LostNoobs | export http_proxy=http://nhimeur:nisiov1181@172.20.0.7:3128 |
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| 12:07.17 | LostNoobs | ERROR 407: Proxy Authentication Required. |
| 12:07.31 | LostNoobs | Connecting to 172.20.0.7:3128... connected. |
| 12:07.31 | LostNoobs | Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 407 Proxy Authentication Required |
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| 12:07.39 | Guerin | !paster LostNoobs |
| 12:07.42 | dpkg | LostNoobs: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 12:07.48 | LostNoobs | oki |
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| 12:07.53 | LostNoobs | just for two line ? |
| 12:07.54 | Guerin | LostNoobs: configure your damn client to authenticate through the proxy |
| 12:07.58 | Haukkari | Any specific channels for Debian unstable, by the way? |
| 12:08.03 | LostNoobs | yes |
| 12:08.03 | Haukkari | Or should I just whine here... |
| 12:08.04 | Guerin | or configure the damn proxy to not require auth |
| 12:08.07 | Beleys | Poy |
| 12:08.17 | Guerin | Haukkari: whining about unstable results in you being laughed at |
| 12:08.21 | LostNoobs | Guerin my client is wget |
| 12:08.24 | Guerin | Haukkari: but go ahead |
| 12:08.30 | Guerin | LostNoobs: i noticed. |
| 12:08.32 | Haukkari | Guerin: well, I didn't mean whining... :) |
| 12:08.34 | LostNoobs | and I don't know how configure this |
| 12:08.43 | Guerin | LostNoobs: neither do I. |
| 12:08.45 | tomiq | Hi do you know how to add ide disk support? |
| 12:08.59 | LostNoobs | I configur with export, with /etc/wgetrc |
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| 12:09.04 | LostNoobs | it don't work |
| 12:09.06 | Guerin | tomiq: add ide disk support to *what*? |
| 12:09.09 | Haukkari | Guerin: I had to install Debian unstable on this testing machine at our school because one (Gentoo) idiot wouldn't believe that Debian unstable works way better than Gentoo unstable. ;) But none of that fighting in here... |
| 12:09.16 | Haukkari | Guerin: so now I'm wondering on how to install openoffice... |
| 12:09.24 | tomiq | Guerin: to kernel I suppose... |
| 12:09.29 | Guerin | LostNoobs: evidently you didn't configure it correctly. Go rtfm again. |
| 12:09.33 | Guerin | tomiq: don't suppose. |
| 12:09.46 | bibe | Haukkari : did Gentoo stable ever existed? |
| 12:09.55 | LostNoobs | :\ |
| 12:10.06 | Haukkari | bibe: well... |
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| 12:10.09 | Guerin | Haukkari: oo.o2 in unstable is apparently broken depland |
| 12:10.18 | Haukkari | bibe: they say Gentoo stable is the version that it installs by default... |
| 12:10.29 | ytripppy | im using AGNULA/demudi and the FAQ says to link it eg: usser@hostname:~$ ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse |
| 12:10.36 | Guerin | Haukkari: which is why people take the piss out of gentoo so much. |
| 12:10.37 | Haukkari | bibe: or so they say... It does work to some extent, but needs hell of a lot more work than Debian and that's why I don't really like it. |
| 12:10.44 | tomiq | Guerin: well I had to add sata to initrd cause I moved system to sata disk... and now cd, and other ide devices are not availabe.. |
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| 12:10.51 | Guerin | ytripppy: agnula and demudi are NOT DEBIAN |
| 12:11.04 | Guerin | tomiq: use a debian kernel, which will support both. |
| 12:11.17 | ytripppy | Guerin: after installing it thanks me for installing debian |
| 12:11.20 | misieq | how can i select updates only from the repo i want? |
| 12:11.22 | Guerin | ytripppy: it lies. |
| 12:11.24 | Haukkari | Guerin: yeah, there's this broken dependency... oo.o writer needs libwpd8c2 but that's really libwpd8c2a... :) |
| 12:11.29 | bibe | Haukkari : I am replacing several Gentoo "default" servers at a customer's facility because "maintenance costs me too much" (as he said) |
| 12:11.32 | tomiq | Guerin: I use debian kernel... |
| 12:11.33 | Guerin | misieq: man aptitude |
| 12:11.49 | Guerin | tomiq: then it supports both. |
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| 12:11.54 | Haukkari | bibe: well, we are replacing a Gentoo server here at our school as soon as the new Dell hardware arrives. |
| 12:12.10 | bibe | Haukkari : of course, replacing them with debian stable, which works way better than gentoo |
| 12:12.17 | Haukkari | bibe: it's fun when every machine in the school goes down when some Gentoo maintainer hasn't checked that pam_ldap -module works well enough. :( |
| 12:12.30 | Guerin | Haukkari: that's a c++ abi transition issue, by the looks. Check incoming, or try to figure out how it needs to be built and build it yourself. |
| 12:12.43 | tomiq | Guerin: well, when it supports it... how can I be able to see and use it.. |
| 12:12.44 | tomiq | ? |
| 12:12.52 | Haukkari | Guerin: yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it'll work if I force it in, but I have BAD memories about forcing with apt-get. :) |
| 12:12.56 | Guerin | tomiq: i don't know, because I don't need or use sata. |
| 12:13.04 | Haukkari | Guerin: I guess that the problem will fix itself in a week or so... |
| 12:13.10 | Guerin | Haukkari: forcing is bad |
| 12:13.14 | misieq | Guerin: it says nothing about repositories |
| 12:13.36 | Guerin | Haukkari: at the very least, make a dummy package using equivs |
| 12:14.08 | Haukkari | Guerin: there's a tutorial for that somewhere? |
| 12:14.10 | Guerin | misieq: yes, it does. |
| 12:14.22 | Guerin | Haukkari: equivs is documented |
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| 12:14.51 | Guerin | misieq: you want -t or similar. If you want to get complicated, read man apt_preferences |
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| 12:15.48 | misieq | Guerin: then my localized version of manual seems to lack few things. damn |
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| 12:17.03 | Guerin | misieq: Similarly, to select a |
| 12:17.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.34 | misieq | Guerin: some example? |
| 12:17.36 | Guerin | not 'or similar' - -t works for apt-get, seems they discontinued it, or didn't document it in aptitude |
| 12:17.51 | Guerin | misieq: there is an example ONE LINE BELOW in the fucking manual |
| 12:18.47 | misieq | Guerin: i have *lacking*, localized manual |
| 12:18.57 | tomiq | Guerin: it's pretty weird... before sata (so ide) was found and present in /dev... while I reconfigured initrd to sata no ide is found even in the latter time.. |
| 12:19.06 | Guerin | misieq: why aren't you running debian? |
| 12:19.17 | misieq | Guerin: i am |
| 12:19.27 | aethera | misieq: :) |
| 12:19.28 | Guerin | misieq: example: aptitude install foo/testing |
| 12:19.52 | Guerin | misieq: but the magic manual munging fairy came and munged all your manuals magically, is that right? |
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| 12:20.45 | aethera | I do not like aptitude |
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| 12:21.18 | aethera | Guerin: what countries are those |
| 12:21.19 | aethera | ? |
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| 12:21.46 | jm_ | must be .nz and .au? |
| 12:21.57 | Guerin | nz v scotland |
| 12:22.00 | aethera | heh South Africa is king |
| 12:22.01 | aethera | :P |
| 12:22.14 | sussudio | aethera: O RLY. |
| 12:22.16 | Guerin | me grandfather's not a bloody aussie! |
| 12:22.19 | aethera | except againt the french |
| 12:22.33 | aethera | against even |
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| 12:22.36 | Guerin | aethera: that's not what the 3N said |
| 12:22.46 | aethera | yeah |
| 12:22.49 | aethera | we won it tho |
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| 12:22.58 | Husk_ | My br0 bridge won't forward packets from a vlan interface, Im using debian stable. Any suggestions? |
| 12:23.01 | Haukkari | Umm... How long does it usually take for a broken package in unstable to be fixed? |
| 12:23.01 | Ronin | so freaking glad i spent all this time learnign about it to clean out some pylons inbox so he can send from his blackberry |
| 12:23.18 | Guerin | aethera: not in 2005 |
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| 12:23.45 | pureone | haukkari sometimes a week sometimes longer, it depends on the package and the maintainer etc etc |
| 12:23.54 | Haukkari | ok... |
| 12:24.00 | SammyTheSnake | I just did a daily package update and started getting "aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationSsbj" any ideas? |
| 12:24.01 | Haukkari | pureone: it's just that, OpenOffice is borken and it's kinda sad. |
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| 12:24.46 | rata | hi, i installed asterisk on debian stable (from sources of stable), i make an apt-get remove --purge and know it is imposible to install again, i ve been searching BTS an this bugs seems to be fixed in 1.0.7 (the one on testing), but i want to have my server in stable... any idea ? any 'backport' or something confiable ? |
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| 12:26.03 | pureone | Haukkari if you cant take it no longer think of moving to something other then unstable :) |
| 12:26.17 | Haukkari | pureone: yeah, well |
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| 12:26.43 | Haukkari | pureone: the only problem is that a Gentoo fanatic will now be bitching about how Gentoo is better and how in Gentoo the openoffice would be installed by some time tomorrow. :P |
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| 12:27.16 | Haukkari | pureone: I only installed unstable on this machine to prove a point to a guy who I'm trying to prove to that other distros than Gentoo work too. And at least with Debian, you won't have to sit and wait for three days for some package to install. |
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| 12:27.24 | pureone | dont worrie about gentoo fanboys :) |
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| 12:27.40 | xota | can i clipboard directly the exit of a command to a clipboard from console? |
| 12:27.52 | pureone | !gentoosmite Haukkari |
| 12:28.03 | Haukkari | :DD |
| 12:28.06 | Haukkari | Hahaha |
| 12:28.32 | Daveman | :P |
| 12:28.49 | Daveman | riceroni... |
| 12:28.55 | Haukkari | I wanna try it |
| 12:28.59 | Haukkari | !gentoosmite Haukkari |
| 12:29.01 | Zap-W_ | anyone know a guide for configuring svgalib with geforce 4 tvout |
| 12:29.10 | Daveman | -_- |
| 12:29.19 | Daveman | haha |
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| 12:31.05 | Haukkari | I want dpkg on my channel... Gentoosmite kicks ass |
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| 12:31.33 | Haukkari | perhaps it's easier to make a module to irssi or something. :) |
| 12:31.49 | nyk2005 | is apache2-default always the html directory when I install apache from apt-get? how can I have a root? |
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| 12:32.33 | valdyn | Haukkari: my sid oo2 is working fine. |
| 12:32.45 | sep | nyk2005, comment out the redirect in the /etc/apache2/sites-*/default file |
| 12:33.08 | misieq | nyk2005: look for 'documentroot' in oyur configuration file |
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| 12:33.39 | nyk2005 | sep: I just discovered them with grep, its save to take them out? CGIs can be anywhere in the /var/www then? |
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| 12:33.55 | Haukkari | valdyn: mine works fine... |
| 12:33.57 | Haukkari | valdyn: but it won't install |
| 12:34.07 | nyk2005 | misieq: didt have one... and put one in apache2.conf, but it didn't affect it |
| 12:34.07 | Haukkari | valdyn: well, everything else than openoffice.org-writer installs fine |
| 12:34.12 | Haukkari | valdyn: but writer is the most important part! :) |
| 12:34.27 | valdyn | Haukkari: why wont it? |
| 12:34.33 | Haukkari | valdyn: it whines about libwpd8c2 being not installable |
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| 12:34.39 | Althaser | In X how can I login with other user ? please |
| 12:34.43 | Haukkari | valdyn: and when I try to install it, it says it's been replaced by libwpd8c2a... |
| 12:34.49 | Haukkari | valdyn: so... sigh. :) |
| 12:34.53 | azeem | Haukkari: c++ allocator transition, I bet |
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| 12:35.13 | Haukkari | azeem: umm.. right |
| 12:35.26 | Haukkari | azeem: any idea on how to (gently) force the oowriter in there? ;) |
| 12:35.31 | azeem | Haukkari: check incoming.debian.org, I believe OOo got uploaded today |
| 12:35.36 | valdyn | Haukkari: cant be more than a missing package that you could just get from sdn |
| 12:35.36 | azeem | Haukkari: I assume you run unstable? |
| 12:35.45 | Haukkari | azeem: yes |
| 12:35.48 | SammyTheSnake | how can I get apt-get to list the dependencies of a particular version of a package? |
| 12:35.52 | nyk2005 | and CGIs are in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ by default?! |
| 12:36.01 | SammyTheSnake | including indirect dependencies would be nice |
| 12:36.01 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: apt-cache show <package> | grep Depends |
| 12:36.10 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: ta |
| 12:36.49 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: hmm, apt-cache doesn't seem to like the package/distro syntax |
| 12:37.02 | azeem | could be |
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| 12:37.20 | Haukkari | azeem: sigh. I just wanna install that libwpd8c2. :) |
| 12:37.23 | valdyn | Haukkari: so you a) grab that old package from sdn or b) grab the new OOo from incoming or c) wait till tomorrow |
| 12:37.29 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: then don't pipe to grep, but manually inspect all the entries for the distribution you want |
| 12:37.42 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: that's what I'm doing, but it doesn't seem( |
| 12:37.43 | Knight_Lord | Is the kernel compiled with gcc 4 or gcc 3? |
| 12:37.47 | Haukkari | valdyn: what was sdn again? |
| 12:37.52 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 12:37.52 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 12:37.53 | SammyTheSnake | at first glance) to list the distro name, just the package version :( |
| 12:38.13 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: yes, you will need to map that for yourself |
| 12:38.22 | Haukkari | valdyn: I got the old package from testing.. let's see if this works, first. ;) |
| 12:38.30 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: hmm, I think I can do that |
| 12:38.31 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: or use grep-dctrl on a specific distribution's Packages file |
| 12:38.32 | Haukkari | valdyn: yeah, that worked. |
| 12:38.37 | valdyn | Haukkari: probably those packages are identical anyway |
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| 12:40.42 | SammyTheSnake | I'm all confused. The situation is that I just did daily upgrade and I seem to have ended up with a broken version of aptitude, no problem says I, I can downgrade using apt-get, but it complains about unmet dependencies, specifically libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 which apt-cache show libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 can't find :( |
| 12:40.50 | SammyTheSnake | any ideas? |
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| 12:41.05 | mfischer | HAllo |
| 12:41.07 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: you have been hit by "unstable" |
| 12:41.21 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: it will get fixed by tonight, I suppose |
| 12:41.36 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: which is odd in itself, I have "testing" as my target distribution! |
| 12:41.51 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: uhm, are you sure? |
| 12:42.21 | beardy | SammyTheSnake: Check your sources.list to be sure. |
| 12:42.54 | SammyTheSnake | I have "APT::Default-Release "testing";" in my /etc/apt/apt.conf file |
| 12:43.10 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: anyway, libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 seems to be still in testing |
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| 12:44.03 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: I can't work it out, I tried apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 and it says "selecting apt" and tells me apt's at the latest version already |
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| 12:44.27 | p30n | hello |
| 12:44.27 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: it's a virtual package |
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| 12:44.41 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: what is your version of aptitude? |
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| 12:44.56 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: so it would appear, but if I've already got it installed, why does apt-get complain about unmet dependencies? :s |
| 12:45.16 | p30n | question: can i just add some suffix to get sudo command to work without authenticating? i could not understand how to make config to not require auth when sudoing, man pages were terrible |
| 12:45.21 | nyk2005 | how do I activate php in a default apache install? I installed phpsysinfo in apt-get, but only get the php code from apache |
| 12:45.24 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: because your aptitude package wants a newer one? |
| 12:45.25 | azeem | dunno |
| 12:45.30 | p30n | so, how can i use sudo cmd without authenticating ? |
| 12:45.39 | sep | p30n, read about NOPASSWD in man pages |
| 12:45.39 | p30n | as it is a tcl script thats gonna sudo |
| 12:45.41 | xored | somone who is using iptraf for trafficcount and can help me a bit to "read out the traffic" ? |
| 12:45.44 | azeem | p30n: do you think this is a good idea? |
| 12:45.56 | azeem | p30n: euh |
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| 12:46.03 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: it doesn't seem to mention a version number, only the package name (which has lots of numbers in it) |
| 12:46.07 | azeem | p30n: well, you could restrict sudo to that command |
| 12:46.15 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: dpkg -l aptitude |
| 12:46.17 | sep | p30n, i'd recomend allowing the script sudo access ont to the exact command it needs to do not (ALL) ALL |
| 12:46.17 | SammyTheSnake | dpkg -l lists aptitude as being version 0.4.0-3experimental2 |
| 12:46.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching lists aptitude as being version 0.4.0-3experimental2 |
| 12:46.24 | p30n | sep: yes i did, but i couldnt understand how to change config to what it said there, i mean, i tried to make it as man pages said, but it wouldnt work |
| 12:46.28 | sep | s/ont/only/ |
| 12:46.30 | rindolf | dh-make-perl does not follow dependencies on my Debian Sarge (used to be Debian Woody) machine. On a different machine it works perfectly. What's wrong? See the dump at http://eskimo.shlomifish.org/Files/files/dh-make-perl.dump.txt |
| 12:46.45 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: which brings me back to why is it chosing experimental & unstable when I wanted testing :S |
| 12:47.07 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: like I said before, I have "APT::Default-Release "testing";" in my /etc/apt/apt.conf file |
| 12:47.12 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: probably because you once told it to |
| 12:47.13 | p30n | sep: yes well the botuser can have whatever rights, that doesnt matter, the thing is, i need to get around the authenticating step, cuz the tcl script cant do that, and im not good at tcl scripting so.. |
| 12:47.17 | snot | On my new debian install I can use danish letters out of the box, however when I'm in vim or irssi some keys act strange. In irssi I cant swap between the windows using alt + arrow keys and in vim I have no backspace and the del key makes the previous letter upper case. any suggestions on how to change this undesired behaviour? |
| 12:47.18 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: Is there something else I ought to check? |
| 12:47.23 | sep | p30n, you did read 'man sudoers' right ? |
| 12:47.26 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: no, the situation is clear |
| 12:47.30 | p30n | yes i did sep |
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| 12:47.38 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: not to me :( |
| 12:47.52 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: try apt-get install aptitude=0.2.15.9-7 |
| 12:47.57 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: how do I get it to treat testing as the default? |
| 12:48.09 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: remove unstable and experimental from sources.list |
| 12:48.24 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: or do the pinning right, but I am no expert on it |
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| 12:48.29 | bibe | snot : apt-get install vim (that behaviour is of vi) |
| 12:48.43 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: I want to be able to take selected packages from unstable/experimental while they're not available in testing |
| 12:48.52 | antgel | snot: perhaps your window manager is trapping the alt+arrow keys |
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| 12:49.07 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: that command gives me "aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10" again |
| 12:49.10 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: so probably aptitude got pulled in once while you did that |
| 12:49.16 | antgel | !tell SammyTheSnake about simple sid backport |
| 12:49.18 | bibe | snot : and what keyboard did you select during xserver configuration? a pc104 or a pc105 (better, for you)? |
| 12:49.33 | snot | bibe: hu? I doubt that it's about vim since irssi also have problems |
| 12:49.33 | p30n | sep: i added this to sudoers, just as a separate line, but with parameters according to my setup, still didnt work; ray rushmore = NOPASSWD: /bin/kill |
| 12:49.42 | snot | bibe, antgel this is in console |
| 12:49.52 | snot | everytihng works fine in x |
| 12:49.59 | p30n | Extended Backus-Naur |
| 12:50.00 | p30n | Form (EBNF) |
| 12:50.07 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: then maybe add "apt=0.6.42.1" to that command |
| 12:50.09 | p30n | i dont understand that grammar form it was talking about |
| 12:50.13 | p30n | EBNF |
| 12:50.20 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: I'll give it a go |
| 12:50.21 | sep | p30n, something like username hostname=NOPASSWD: /bin/ls |
| 12:50.39 | bibe | snot : a basic sarge install (with 'expert26', at least) doesn't install vim, but only vi. |
| 12:50.53 | sep | p30n, replace username with the user the scrip run as, hostname with the hostname the box have and /bin/ls with whatever commands needs to run |
| 12:51.07 | snot | bibe: I apt-get install vim afterwards. I used a minimal net install cd |
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| 12:51.46 | bibe | snot : and still no "--- INSERT ---" at the bottom line, for instance, when you are in insert mode? |
| 12:51.49 | sep | p30n, you might use localhost on the hostname bit, i havent tested that but can't see why not |
| 12:52.00 | nyk2005 | what do I have to install if I get "error: C compiler cannot create executables"? |
| 12:52.08 | azeem | nyk2005: build-essential |
| 12:52.09 | nyk2005 | when trying to compile |
| 12:52.12 | nyk2005 | THANKS |
| 12:52.16 | snot | bibe: I have no status line but isn't that just a matter of settings? I have problems in irssi as well |
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| 12:53.22 | p30n | thanks sep, ill try with that, altho i had somewhat the same before, but ill fiddle around a bit with it... |
| 12:53.32 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: aptitude seems to be working now, which is nice. Now to work out why it appears to be going against my APT::Default-Release setting :( |
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| 12:53.50 | bibe | snot : I am only telling you what I'm experiencing, and that's the very same thing: when using vi instead of vim, I have the same vi "errors" you are experiencing. IMO, installing vim will resolve the issue |
| 12:53.55 | obsvuugj | when I do ./configure , it puts me this error checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool . what do I have to install ? |
| 12:54.08 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: as I said, it might have been pulled in while you wanted something else from unstable/experimental, dunno |
| 12:54.12 | snot | bibe: apt-get'ing as we speak :) |
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| 12:54.33 | antgel | obsvuugj: how about trying to find it yourself apt-cache search parser |grep perl |
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| 12:54.45 | snot | bibe: dont get me wrong I appreciate your help a lot... I just find it strange that I'm having key problems in irssi as well |
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| 12:55.08 | antgel | snot: does it work when you run irssi outside x? |
| 12:55.09 | bibe | snot : and since I don't use irssi, I don't know about that. Do you have a couple of "null symbol found" just after init call during boot? |
| 12:55.26 | snot | bibe: you where right! thanks a lot but irssi still sufferes |
| 12:55.27 | snot | antgel: yes |
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| 12:56.17 | bibe | snot : what does 'grep pc10 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' return? |
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| 12:56.17 | snot | antgel: I tried ssh'ing to it and the same thing happens... actually I also tried without starting x (directly logging in) |
| 12:56.36 | snot | snot@dhcppc4:~$ grep pc10 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:56.36 | snot | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.41 | antgel | snot: yes it does work from the console? |
| 12:57.02 | snot | antgel: no |
| 12:57.27 | antgel | snot: so when you said yes above you meant no |
| 12:57.27 | bibe | snot : I'd suggest you to: 1. dpkg-reconfigure console-data (choosing your keyboard layout) 2. use pc105 keyboard model |
| 12:57.39 | bibe | antgel : that was confusing me, too |
| 12:57.40 | antgel | snot: what bibe said |
| 12:57.45 | snot | antgel: yeah, my bad |
| 12:58.24 | snot | my bad guys, it does not work at all, weather I startx or not, irssi does not let me use alt + arrow keys to switch between windows |
| 12:59.04 | deltasix | isnt it alt+1234... |
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| 12:59.41 | antgel | deltasix: both |
| 12:59.52 | Ronin | snot: tried a different terminal? |
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| 12:59.56 | bibe | speaking about keyboards... how can I type a n~ on a non-spanish keyboard easily? |
| 13:00.00 | Ronin | in x of course |
| 13:00.02 | tarzeau | the ubuntu font is free (lgpl) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Ubuntu-Title.ttf , but the debian font is not |
| 13:00.06 | tarzeau | !debian font |
| 13:00.21 | amphi | bibe: ñ is compose/multi-key ~ n |
| 13:00.26 | snot | deltasix: that works as well |
| 13:00.38 | snot | Ronin: no, do you have a suggestion? I havent used x for ages |
| 13:00.45 | bibe | amphi : how can I type it? |
| 13:00.58 | Haukkari | Oi, how do I compile a .deb package from sources? |
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| 13:01.05 | Haukkari | There was some funky Debian-tool for that but I forgot what it was.. |
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| 13:01.21 | |cub| | hey ppl |
| 13:01.21 | bibe | Haukkari : use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:01.40 | tarzeau | Haukkari: debuild |
| 13:01.53 | Haukkari | thanks |
| 13:01.58 | |cub| | sorry for stupid question, but can anyone show me hi's sources.list |
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| 13:02.11 | tarzeau | |cub|: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 13:02.12 | Ronin | |cub|: apt-setup |
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| 13:03.00 | antgel | tarzeau: are you pointing him to nethack? ;) |
| 13:03.07 | tarzeau | antgel: nethack's on port 27015 |
| 13:03.16 | m0rbid | I have two 40g hdd's mounted in fstab as storage 1 & 2, but when I ftp in or scp in i cant copy files to it on the network. |
| 13:03.18 | tarzeau | antgel: and guess what's on port 65535 :) |
| 13:03.30 | m0rbid | even when I use it thru samba. |
| 13:03.31 | amphi | bibe: press whatever your Multi_Key is set to, and then '~' and then 'n' |
| 13:03.36 | Haukkari | Is there some kind of general "install all stuff necessary for compiling all kinds of crap"-package? |
| 13:03.48 | tarzeau | Haukkari: yes |
| 13:03.56 | SammyTheSnake | is there any clever aptitude incantation that will up/downgrade all installed packages to their testing version (bar those that are unavailable in testing and their dependencies) ? |
| 13:03.57 | Haukkari | tarzeau: and what would that be? |
| 13:04.07 | tarzeau | Haukkari: build-essential |
| 13:04.08 | antgel | Haukkari: you should be asking "where's the documentation for building packages?" /msg dpkg nmg |
| 13:04.16 | Haukkari | ok, thanks. :) |
| 13:04.21 | tarzeau | antgel: do you play nethack? |
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| 13:04.50 | antgel | tarzeau: i tried it once but found it pointless. assume one needs to get into it. no time these days |
| 13:05.01 | m0rbid | is there a good man or tutorial on mounting drives in FSTAB ? |
| 13:05.09 | tarzeau | m0rbid: man fstab |
| 13:05.21 | tarzeau | m0rbid: from 5 |
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| 13:05.32 | m0rbid | from 5? |
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| 13:05.39 | jm_ | section 5 |
| 13:05.40 | tarzeau | m0rbid: man man |
| 13:05.41 | froztbyte | man 5 fstab |
| 13:05.45 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: given that you know so little about packages and releases, don't you think perhaps you should run stable until you develop that knowledge? |
| 13:05.58 | robin_sz | nice mail package, wish I could find the password manager |
| 13:05.59 | bibe | amphi : thanks a lot! |
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| 13:07.05 | antgel | !seen abrotman |
| 13:07.07 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10h 34m 57s ago, saying: '!info php4-auth-pam sarge'. |
| 13:07.20 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: I've been running testing for quite some time now, it's only when I somehow ended up with unstable and experimental packages unbidden that the problems started. I had my default release set to testing and I'd quite like for that to actually do what I expected. Obviously there's some other setting somewhere that I've not managed to locate. If anyone can think what it might be, that'd be great |
| 13:07.51 | robin_sz | OK, how who or were do I find the mazzilla passwor dmanager on debian huh? |
| 13:07.55 | Haukkari | !gentoosmite Haukkari |
| 13:08.01 | froztbyte | what's the online debian repository, in terms of updates? i want to update my sarge install but the only online repository address listed is for the security updates |
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| 13:08.08 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: in the meantime, I thought it might help if I could do something like aptitude install */testing or something (though obviously if that were to work, it'd install new packages which isn't what I wanted) |
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| 13:08.30 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: when you say you "somehow" ended up with unstable and experimental packages, you mean you changed the settings and hosed your system ;) |
| 13:08.34 | Myon | froztbyte: there are no updates to stable |
| 13:08.40 | Myon | froztbyte: that's why it's called stable |
| 13:08.45 | antgel | !tell froztbyte about releases |
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| 13:08.46 | amphi | bibe: you have it working? |
| 13:08.55 | beardy | froztbyte: apt-setup |
| 13:09.25 | beardy | Myon: I think he might mean he has used cd:s, and now wants to install from the net, that's what I hope he means at least.. |
| 13:09.35 | bibe | amphi : yes, it was so simple... altgr+n (is altgr the multikey on my keyboard? sorry for the stupid question) |
| 13:09.42 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: I added the unstable repos to my sources file and set the default release to testing. This did not have the effect I expected, so *something* else has to be having an effect, but I've been unable to find out what it is |
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| 13:09.49 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: any ideas? |
| 13:09.55 | heanol | anyone know when firefox 1.5 will hit unstable? |
| 13:09.56 | tarzeau | SammyTheSnake: don't mix |
| 13:10.00 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 13:10.00 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 13:10.04 | tarzeau | heanol: soon |
| 13:10.07 | amphi | bibe: I don't know what your Multi_Key is - alt-gr is common I believe |
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| 13:10.11 | tarzeau | heanol: and you can always do it yourself |
| 13:10.12 | heanol | tarzeau: ;-) |
| 13:10.18 | heanol | tarzeau: how? |
| 13:10.20 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: yes, install a release, preferably stable, and stick to it |
| 13:10.23 | amphi | bibe: in console it's call Compose |
| 13:10.28 | tarzeau | heanol: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 13:10.39 | tarzeau | !utsl |
| 13:10.39 | dpkg | utsl is, like, Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 13:10.51 | tarzeau | heanol: or use experimental? |
| 13:10.53 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: unstable packages are intended to be part of testing but just haven't got there yet, right? |
| 13:11.03 | bibe | amphi : I don't have to use ~ at all |
| 13:11.14 | m0rbid | is this goof enuff??: /dev/hdc1 /media/storage2 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 13:12.14 | amphi | oh, ok - I use digraphs for that sort of thing, in X and console |
| 13:12.24 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: besides, my problems aren't caused by incompatibilities between the packages, but by something somewhere making aptittude install experimental / unstable packages that I want to be testing. If I can just find out what that is, I'll be happy. If you know, tell, me, if you don't then I guess I'm SOL |
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| 13:13.07 | beardy | SammyTheSnake: That doesn't happen by itself, you have been mixing packages. |
| 13:13.11 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: take the unstable crap out of sources.list. apt-get update. then you won't install any more packages from unstable |
| 13:13.24 | heanol | tarzeau: it's not in experimental |
| 13:13.25 | antgel | beardy: yes, he put unstable lines in sources.lists |
| 13:13.32 | antgel | s/ts/ |
| 13:13.33 | tarzeau | heanol: 1.4pre versions of 1.5 are there |
| 13:13.33 | froztbyte | beardy: no kernel patches, etc for updates? (yes i did install from disc, want to update system) |
| 13:13.35 | antgel | doh |
| 13:13.39 | froztbyte | beardy: for instance, want to update ALSA to 1.0.9, because my current version has a bug with my sound card that is now fixed in 1.0.9 (and want to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.14, those two updates at the very least) |
| 13:13.43 | antgel | you get the picture |
| 13:13.53 | heanol | tarzeau: yup, pre-versions.. there's is a stable release of 1.5 |
| 13:13.55 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: what you are trying doesnt work, since any package in testing that depends on a packae that isnt will trigger your whole system becoming some weird testing/unstable mix |
| 13:14.00 | tarzeau | heanol: yes i know |
| 13:14.10 | SammyTheSnake | antgel/beardy: according to the apt_preferences, it's perfectly valid to have default-release set to testing and install occasional packages from unstable which will then revert to their testing versions when there is one to revert to |
| 13:14.15 | tarzeau | heanol: do it yourself, asking here about it won't get it to you faster |
| 13:14.24 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: good luck |
| 13:14.29 | tarzeau | heanol: the maintainer is probably checking things before it can hit unstable |
| 13:14.32 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: its syntactically valid, sure |
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| 13:14.34 | tarzeau | heanol: good maintainers do that |
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| 13:14.49 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: and it's what I want, but it isn't actually happening, that's the problem |
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| 13:14.51 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: i can eat arsenic just fine too |
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| 13:15.08 | antgel | tarzeau: have you *used* firefox in debian? you're telling me somebody *checked* that app? :P |
| 13:15.22 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: umm, if that is what you want, just run unstable |
| 13:15.25 | tarzeau | antgel: haha, you know. smart people use a real browser .. |
| 13:15.36 | jm_ | tarzeau: IE? :) |
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| 13:15.41 | antgel | mosaic |
| 13:15.45 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: I don't want *all* my packages to be unstable, just the ones that aren't available in testing |
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| 13:15.47 | antgel | !start a browser war |
| 13:15.48 | dpkg | Netscape < w3m! |
| 13:15.48 | heanol | tarzeau: i know.. i was just wondering if there maybe was any problems |
| 13:15.51 | tarzeau | antgel: like dillo or links2 -g :) of course firefox always crashes and sucks.... i package my own for at work for several reasons (got stable here) |
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| 13:16.01 | Haukkari | !start a distro war |
| 13:16.02 | dpkg | Slackware is lame! |
| 13:16.02 | tarzeau | heanol: the maintainer would know. i am not it |
| 13:16.03 | Haukkari | :D |
| 13:16.06 | Haukkari | dpkg rocks |
| 13:16.06 | dpkg | Yer damned right... |
| 13:16.08 | tarzeau | heanol: apt-cache show package | grep Maint |
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| 13:16.13 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: i told you, that doesnt function, try to think it through for yourself what depends can and will do |
| 13:16.28 | tarzeau | jm_: ie, if i'm on windows, sure |
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| 13:16.55 | froztbyte | tarzeau: i to an extent agree!! for some reason the linux version of firefox is ...... whereas my windows version gives me much less trouble!? |
| 13:16.59 | Haukkari | what will happen if one downgrades glibc? KABOOM? |
| 13:17.00 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: when the relevant package is in testing, the preferences should mean that the testing version (and all its little testing dependencies without which it wouldn't be in testing) will be installed and therefore there's not more unstable left |
| 13:17.08 | aethera | bbl |
| 13:17.10 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: except that it doesn't work, why not? |
| 13:17.16 | antgel | Haukkari: not supported. good luck |
| 13:17.16 | beardy | froztbyte: In sarge, only packages with security problems of some kind get updated/replaced. Install the latest available kernel in sarge, it should work fine. You can install a later version of ALSA by downloading the .deb and install it with dpkg, but I don't recommend it, but that's the way to do it, if you really have to. |
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| 13:17.25 | tarzeau | froztbyte: ever tried clicking on email links on linux firefox? or tried to add the search icons top right? IT SUCKS |
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| 13:17.42 | Haukkari | antgel: yeah, supposed as much |
| 13:17.46 | Haukkari | antgel: but doesn't matter. :) |
| 13:18.02 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: if something in testing depends on something not in testing that is only in sid and requires your libc6 to be upgraded which in turn will require EVERYTHING else to be upgraded ..... |
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| 13:18.14 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: just dont do it |
| 13:18.18 | eliteforce | can somebody test my highlight pls :D thx |
| 13:18.32 | messia | a dopo |
| 13:18.35 | froztbyte | tarzeau: don't use firefox in linux! it's just too damn slow! and on an 3200+ athlon64, that isn't very good |
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| 13:18.46 | tarzeau | froztbyte: don't use it remote x EVER! |
| 13:18.47 | npx | dude |
| 13:18.48 | antgel | froztbyte: you are talking out of your arse |
| 13:18.52 | tarzeau | froztbyte: full ack |
| 13:18.57 | npx | yes, you are talking out of your ass |
| 13:18.59 | tarzeau | antgel: no he's right, it's dead slow |
| 13:19.04 | npx | firefox is ungodly fast on my opteron 148 |
| 13:19.05 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: how often is the libc6 different (to a dependency level) in unstable and testing? |
| 13:19.13 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: that was an example |
| 13:19.19 | tarzeau | npx: i've seen way faster browsers than it |
| 13:19.22 | antgel | tarzeau: he's wrong dude, unless i'm living in a world where everything is faster |
| 13:19.30 | Haukkari | froztbyte: firecocks works fine on my Debian right now. |
| 13:19.31 | npx | yeah, but it's not SLOW |
| 13:19.31 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: or anything else for that matter? |
| 13:19.36 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: there's plenty packages that can pull a huge trail of stuff you probably dont want |
| 13:19.46 | npx | there's maybe a sixteenth of a second rendering difference between it and opera or khtml |
| 13:19.51 | beardy | npx: "ungodly fast", that would mean really slow, right? |
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| 13:20.03 | tarzeau | npx: you know there's browsers that don't support css :) |
| 13:20.12 | antgel | npx: you're right. i don't know how i live with that extra 0.0000001s rendering time |
| 13:20.15 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: so is there any way I can find out which dist the packages on my system come from and which are also available in the other? |
| 13:20.17 | bibe | froztbyte : I use a few packages from unstable on sarge, but they are only sources (ieee80211-source and ipw2200-source), so no library dependencies. If you need something from a more recent debian flavor, use apt-pinning (but here many people won't agree) |
| 13:20.36 | tarzeau | froztbyte: yes, don't use pinning |
| 13:20.40 | sep | !simple sid backport |
| 13:20.40 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 13:20.51 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: read ^^^ |
| 13:20.54 | antgel | sep: already told him |
| 13:20.56 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: for your question: i dont know |
| 13:21.07 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: you are making your life very difficult |
| 13:21.12 | froztbyte | all-flamers: i didn't say it doesn't work, i just said it's really slow! sometimes page-loading even just from disc isn't good for my patience |
| 13:22.03 | antgel | froztbyte: and it's not really slow. show me the *data* |
| 13:22.03 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: what I need right now is to get it to downgrade from sid to etch wherever possible, but I don't know how to do that without removing all sid from the system |
| 13:22.22 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: downgrading isn't supported. you're not hearing us |
| 13:22.28 | xored | somone who can help me reading out the logs of iptraf with the rddtool ? |
| 13:22.28 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: downgrading isnt supported, its to tedious for me to help you really |
| 13:22.45 | SammyTheSnake | yay |
| 13:22.46 | m0rbid | I still cant write to these tw drives. |
| 13:22.51 | beardy | SammyTheSnake: You have to sort that out yourself. And don't do it again. |
| 13:22.51 | m0rbid | I dotn know why.. |
| 13:23.05 | enveezee | I think I just figured out why IRC doesnt work well on my phone after trying 3 different clients. If I close the phone it suspends any web apps and when I open it back up it asks me if I want to exit or resume.. I think the reason IRC disconnects is related to PM.. when it goes to turn off the light and blank the screen it kills my socket connection. |
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| 13:23.11 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: and that isnt because we hate you, it just is very hard to do right. |
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| 13:23.26 | logg | Can anyone tell me how to remove a requirement from a deb package, it that is possible ? |
| 13:23.46 | antgel | logg: why? i predict you need to use equivs. please don't hose your box |
| 13:23.50 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: so how do I stop it upgrading packages to the latest unstable without having to do a wholesale downgrade or whatever? |
| 13:24.06 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: remove your unstable sources |
| 13:24.07 | enveezee | logg: no, but if you rephrase the question to where it makes sense we can tell you how to make this work |
| 13:24.14 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: YOU TAKE UNSTABLE OUT OF SOURCES.LIST AND APT-GET UPDATE |
| 13:24.19 | logg | no, skype package has u dumb req... I want to remove it |
| 13:24.25 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: no need to shout |
| 13:24.30 | enveezee | logg: no, actually you dont. |
| 13:24.32 | tarzeau | logg: rebuild it |
| 13:24.37 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: no need to ignore everything in the channel |
| 13:24.58 | froztbyte | logg: rebuild without the 'depency' which bothers you |
| 13:24.59 | tarzeau | antgel: maybe he doesn't understand what you all say |
| 13:25.01 | Bob332 | why do my fonts seem strange in KDE but not gnome? they are kinda small loooking and garbled looking |
| 13:25.02 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: the only 2 clean ways for you are a)reinstall or b) move everything to unstable |
| 13:25.04 | logg | enveezee: yes i do ;) |
| 13:25.08 | SammyTheSnake | antgel: if you feel offended by my questions, I'm sorry, but I don't know how else to find stuff out |
| 13:25.08 | tarzeau | Bob332: screenshot? |
| 13:25.18 | enveezee | logg: yeah repackage it then. if you be more specific about the dependancy we probably have a much better solution |
| 13:25.20 | m0rbid | I just wanna know how to get fstab to mount these drives writtable? Or is it something inside of samba? |
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| 13:25.29 | Bob332 | tarzeau, where can i put the screen shot? |
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| 13:25.38 | tarzeau | m0rbid: can you mount it manually? |
| 13:25.41 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: surely as the unstable packages migrate to testing, I can "downgrade" without moving, right? |
| 13:25.43 | enveezee | logg: no you dont, you just want to install the package. |
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| 13:25.50 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: i'm not offended by your questions. i'm offended that you're ignoring the answers and repeating your questions |
| 13:25.51 | tarzeau | Bob332: on a webserver? |
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| 13:26.01 | enveezee | I hate it when people are so confused about what they want, its impossible to help them |
| 13:26.03 | Bob332 | tarzeau, brb |
| 13:26.05 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: sure, just takes time ( weeks ) |
| 13:26.08 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: they will filter in, and you may be able to sync up again, yes |
| 13:26.16 | tarzeau | valdyn: can take months even |
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| 13:26.36 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea |
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| 13:26.37 | m0rbid | tarzeau: when I do mount -a its there, but when I log in thru winscp or in network places, it wont let me write to them. |
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| 13:26.47 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: some packages never find their way from unstable to testing |
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| 13:26.52 | tarzeau | m0rbid: winscp? |
| 13:26.54 | froztbyte | m0rbid: what format are the drives you want to mount (eg: ext3, fat32 (vfat), ntfs??) |
| 13:27.00 | m0rbid | ext3 |
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| 13:27.12 | m0rbid | tarzeau; like ftp thru ssh for windows. |
| 13:27.12 | SammyTheSnake | in the meantime, it'd be nice to be able to keep track of how well that process is doing, if I could get a rundown of which packages on my system are at their unstable versions, which are at testing versions and such, it'd be useful, I could probably even just remove some packages that aren't in testing yet |
| 13:27.15 | tarzeau | m0rbid: and you have write permission? |
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| 13:27.29 | antgel | SammyTheSnake: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 13:27.34 | froztbyte | m0rbid: it's an ftp permission |
| 13:27.38 | tarzeau | m0rbid: and it didn't get ro mounted because the harddisk broke? |
| 13:27.42 | beardy | Morph: No, scp and sftp (ssh). Nothing to do with ftp. |
| 13:27.43 | m0rbid | tarzeau: this is what I dont know, should I chmod the folder and the files to like 755? |
| 13:27.53 | froztbyte | m0rbid: had the same problem when i set it up once |
| 13:27.54 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: dont just remove, you need to purge every package you downgrade |
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| 13:28.12 | valdyn | SammyTheSnake: ...unless you *know* specifically that that isnt required in that special case |
| 13:28.19 | beardy | m0rbid: what I wrongly said to Morph was for you. |
| 13:28.23 | m0rbid | froztbyte: it happens not only in ftp, but ssh |
| 13:28.28 | logg | enveezee: skype depends on libqt3c102-mt... It works fine though with libqt3-mt, which conflicts with libqt3c102-mt |
| 13:28.40 | SammyTheSnake | valdyn: understood, I'll try not to forget that! :p |
| 13:28.46 | blindboygrunt | i'm unsure on which mail relay to use, postfix or exim - as I'm learning which should I try first? |
| 13:28.49 | enveezee | logg: its about fucking time you get to the real issue :) |
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| 13:28.59 | enveezee | logg: we have something called equivs in debian, you see. |
| 13:29.12 | m0rbid | I have this in fstab for one of the drives: /dev/hdc1 /media/storage2 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 13:29.18 | enveezee | logg: its for cases just like this to tell a package that there is already something on the system that satisfies a dep |
| 13:29.18 | saintiss | hi |
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| 13:29.28 | enveezee | logg: it in no way involves removing the dep like you asked |
| 13:29.38 | logg | ok |
| 13:29.39 | bibe | blindboygrunt : I use postfix and it has a straightforward and very well commented configuration |
| 13:29.44 | froztbyte | m0rbid: logging in with the correct user? maybe your security settings protect against network writes? |
| 13:30.03 | blindboygrunt | bibe: thanks - i see exim is the default which is why i asked |
| 13:30.06 | saintiss | ever since upgrading to the latest etch, I'm experiencing severe memory problems, apparently in combination with VNC... more specifically, all memory gets eaten continuously until some processes are killed |
| 13:30.08 | logg | i'll look into equivs then |
| 13:30.30 | saintiss | is there a known problem with e.g. kernel/libc in etch? |
| 13:30.46 | logg | enveezee: thx |
| 13:30.57 | antgel | !btssmite saintiss |
| 13:30.57 | m0rbid | froztbyte: I am logged in myself, and I can manipulate file from console, |
| 13:30.59 | beardy | saintiss: bts? |
| 13:31.03 | Zugschlus | bibe: exim is also straightforward and has a well-commented configuration |
| 13:31.05 | Zugschlus | what's your point? |
| 13:31.09 | m0rbid | but i cant write to them thru network places and winSCP. |
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| 13:31.46 | saintiss | beardy, bts? |
| 13:31.48 | beardy | m0rbid: That is two different things. Your user needs permission to write to that place, when using scp/sftp. "Network places" is samba. |
| 13:31.59 | beardy | !btssmite saintiss |
| 13:32.06 | nvz | logg: np (enveezee) |
| 13:32.11 | saintiss | ah yes, bug tracking system... |
| 13:32.15 | saintiss | let's see |
| 13:32.31 | froztbyte | m0rbid: sorry, i should have been more clear. thnx beardy, just about to type that |
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| 13:33.24 | froztbyte | m0rbid: you should set your access settings on your linux box's network servers to allow rw access on the specific directories for the given user |
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| 13:34.26 | nvz | it would be really cool if i am right about this cell phone... |
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| 13:35.19 | froztbyte | m0rbid: also, windows' default network login name is 'guest', so you should configure your samba share correctly so it asks for a username and password and doesn't default revert to guest (because guest isn't a good name to allow universal network writes) |
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| 13:36.04 | Tchiak | morning nvz |
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| 13:36.06 | froztbyte | !fedorasmite froztbyte |
| 13:36.11 | nvz | i have a strong feeling that pm is what was killing my socket. |
| 13:36.15 | Tchiak | what did you find out about the cell phone nvz? |
| 13:36.24 | froztbyte | ......disappointed... |
| 13:36.30 | beardy | froztbyte: /msg dpkg |
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| 13:37.25 | botsy | when i reboot my laptop i need to launch "xhost +" for enable root's user for launch graphical program (xmms, mplayer,etc) i know it's not utility for launch graphical program with root but ... if know what's the solution for this problem .... |
| 13:37.27 | enveezee | oh well I was wrong |
| 13:37.38 | jm_ | botsy: /msg dpkg sux |
| 13:37.48 | caphuso | xmms? mplayer? as root?!? |
| 13:37.50 | jm_ | botsy: and you don't need to start xmms as root |
| 13:37.59 | botsy | YES I KNOW LOL |
| 13:38.00 | enveezee | its probably something in the network killing the connection. doesnt seem to matter what IRC net I am on or what channel, if I am idling or typing a msg.. it dies just randomly |
| 13:38.17 | enveezee | I think the best solution would be to not use a socket connection *shrug* |
| 13:38.23 | bibe | botsy : there's no need to use these programs as root... simply adduser botsy audio |
| 13:38.26 | enveezee | polling sucks thought |
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| 13:39.16 | enveezee | anyone know of an IRC server that doesnt have .net or .org? its remotely possible some fucking bot is killing my connection because freenode ends in .net |
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| 13:40.22 | enveezee | Tchiak: hello |
| 13:40.30 | saintiss | hrm, bts is not really usable if I want to see if ANY bug has been filed recently concerning severe memory leaks |
| 13:40.32 | enveezee | Tchiak: I found out they are a PITA |
| 13:40.36 | saintiss | I don't know which package is responsible... |
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| 13:41.30 | tarzeau | enveezee: you could make an entry to /etc/hosts ? |
| 13:41.34 | tarzeau | enveezee: or use simpleproxy? |
| 13:41.38 | enveezee | Tchiak: I have WLIrc, Virca, and jmIrc on there right now.. I am not having much luck with any of them they are all randomly loosing socket connection with java i.o. errors |
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| 13:41.49 | enveezee | tarzeau: I am talking about on my cell phone |
| 13:42.03 | enveezee | tarzeau: trying to be able to irc while I am at work doing nothing all night |
| 13:42.04 | tarzeau | enveezee: you cell phone has no /etc/hosts ? it's broken |
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| 13:42.17 | tarzeau | enveezee: no food supply? tv? drinks? |
| 13:42.26 | enveezee | afaik it doesnt even have a filesystem.. at least not that I have any access too |
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| 13:42.56 | cahoot | enveezee: plain talk on the phone is no option? |
| 13:42.57 | enveezee | tarzeau: I already eat and drink too much.. I need something that isnt going to cost me a lot of money and make me unhealthy |
| 13:43.10 | enveezee | cahoot: I dont know anyone I can call at 3am |
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| 13:43.28 | xored | can somebody give me a quik help with cfgmkr or mrtg ? |
| 13:43.29 | froztbyte | enveezee: what model phone is it? |
| 13:43.36 | tarzeau | enveezee: can you not just sleep? |
| 13:43.41 | enveezee | cahoot: I got long distance, I guess I need to get on AIM or something and meet some people from another time zone |
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| 13:43.46 | tarzeau | xored: ask |
| 13:44.18 | enveezee | tarzeau: yeah but sleeping is boring, uncomfortable (without a bed) and just makes me more sleepy so when at like 7am I actually have to do a little work when people start showing up.. I am all tired |
| 13:44.36 | xored | tarzeau: cfgmaker --ifref=eth0 --ifdesc=eth0 > mrtg.cfg |
| 13:44.42 | enveezee | froztbyte: no clue I'd have to turn it off to check |
| 13:45.01 | xored | tarzeau: thats what iam trying, he alway rings me the help, so there must be a syntax error |
| 13:45.24 | froztbyte | enveezee: what make or whatever? nokia 9210i or the like? or don't you know |
| 13:45.39 | enveezee | froztbyte: Sprint Samsung Portable Dualband Tri-mode PHONE. Model: SPH-a740 |
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| 13:46.01 | blindboygrunt | how do I create a user with no shell access? |
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| 13:46.23 | enveezee | froztbyte: it supports WAP, Java MIDp 1.0, and the Java Socket API apperently.. cause I have used 3 different irc clients now all with a socket connection |
| 13:46.33 | fpitt_ | Hi to all |
| 13:46.34 | sep | blindboygrunt, edit /etc/passwd replace shell with /bin/false |
| 13:46.48 | saintiss | can the BTS be searched based on keywords? |
| 13:46.49 | blindboygrunt | sep: thanks |
| 13:47.04 | froztbyte | enveezee: do you have a pc connect suite that in some way gives you a way to access the phone's local storage drive? |
| 13:47.06 | tarzeau | enveezee: got a computer? setup a cronjob to wake you up with music? |
| 13:47.12 | enveezee | I am not sure what to try next.. but I am thinking the only way to stay reliably connected is not to connect at all. |
| 13:47.21 | enveezee | froztbyte: afaik it doesnt hook to a pc *shrug* |
| 13:47.25 | tarzeau | xored: yes, maybe read the manual page or so |
| 13:47.39 | jm_ | xored: router is not optional argument |
| 13:47.48 | xored | tarzeau: i did.. |
| 13:47.57 | xored | jm_: what is meant by "router" |
| 13:48.00 | enveezee | tarzeau: waking up isnt a problem. its because I am sleeping at work I am tired and cant function when I need to. |
| 13:48.03 | jm_ | xored: localhost will do |
| 13:48.09 | xored | jm_: ok |
| 13:48.16 | enveezee | tarzeau: if you just stay moving you are alert.. if you just wake up you are not |
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| 13:48.39 | tarzeau | enveezee: are you alone? |
| 13:48.50 | tarzeau | enveezee: you could make debian packages? or play games? |
| 13:49.09 | xored | jm_: iam right that i will able to count my traffic with mrtg, or ? |
| 13:49.26 | jm_ | xored: yes, but you'll need snmpd - maybe try munin instead |
| 13:49.35 | enveezee | tarzeau: nope. I'd need a portable debian machine for that I've been looking for one of those for a month now.. I ended up with this cell phone cause I couldnt stand shopping for one anymore |
| 13:49.50 | jelly | enveezee: cold water splashes do the waking up bit for me. |
| 13:50.03 | enveezee | this cell phone is at least as much aggrivation as a laptop if not more |
| 13:50.04 | Wyzard | enveezee: laptop? |
| 13:50.09 | enveezee | laptops suck |
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| 13:50.25 | enveezee | too fragile and too expesive for as disposable as they are |
| 13:50.29 | Wyzard | enveezee: My brother does valet parking, and he plays games on his laptop when there aren't any customers |
| 13:50.35 | enveezee | I go through them in a few months |
| 13:50.49 | Guilherme | when I try to open a windows share, it says that i don't have permission to access the folder. I don't have smbmount, how can I specify a username to connect there ? |
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| 13:50.53 | froztbyte | enveezee: try accessing the address file://locahost/c:/ |
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| 13:51.22 | xored | jm_: i tryied 5 tools now.. |
| 13:51.31 | xored | jm_: what is munin ? |
| 13:51.34 | bibe | Guilherme : mount -t smbfs -o username=<me>,password=<mine> |
| 13:51.36 | jm_ | xored: apt-cache show munin |
| 13:51.37 | tarzeau | enveezee: also apple laptops? |
| 13:51.45 | Guilherme | bibe, thanks |
| 13:51.47 | tarzeau | i mean the 12" are really cute |
| 13:51.55 | bibe | Guilherme : no problem |
| 13:51.55 | enveezee | tarzeau: couldnt afford one |
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| 13:52.04 | froztbyte | enveezee: if it runs symbian accessing that from a web browser might give you direct access to your phone's files (does on my 9210) |
| 13:52.28 | enveezee | tarzeau: I was trying to get one, but my credit limit is only $300 and even a G3 800MHZ on ebay is like $400-$500 |
| 13:53.07 | enveezee | froztbyte: I dont care what files are on my phone :P |
| 13:53.10 | tarzeau | enveezee: yep, that's understandable |
| 13:53.31 | enveezee | froztbyte: I see whats on the web, I click it, it downloads I run it.. thats all I need |
| 13:53.33 | froztbyte | Guilherme: change your default samba username to guest (in the samba config file) and a blank password |
| 13:53.33 | xored | jm_: i just setted up iptraf before, it runs in the background. Do you have a clue which tool to use to read out the log and maybe make some graph or just a number : March05, traffix 5GB |
| 13:53.42 | Wyzard | enveezee: There are other ways to pay for things besides credit though |
| 13:54.07 | froztbyte | brb |
| 13:54.16 | jm_ | xored: I use munin, and I also have IP accounting rules configured |
| 13:54.21 | enveezee | Wyzard: yeah well I cant afford to have that much money laying around waiting to be enough for a laptop |
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| 13:55.06 | enveezee | I tried saving it lasted a week |
| 13:55.07 | aethera | hey all |
| 13:55.11 | xored | jm_: so yu advice to use munin ? |
| 13:55.15 | aethera | I just installed the qt designer |
| 13:55.16 | jm_ | xored: yes |
| 13:55.24 | aethera | but I can not figure out what it is to execute it |
| 13:55.32 | Dewi | I have a configure script telling me: "Unable to find X libraries" ... what basic packages am I likely to need to build X applications? |
| 13:55.33 | enveezee | I dont have enough income to save |
| 13:55.43 | jm_ | x11 devel package |
| 13:55.46 | Wyzard | enveezee: You could ask someone else who has a higher credit limit to make the purchase for you, and make payments to that person... |
| 13:55.50 | aethera | jm_: any ideas? |
| 13:56.01 | jm_ | aethera: I have lots of ideas |
| 13:56.02 | aethera | and my kdevelop designer crashes |
| 13:56.18 | aethera | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". |
| 13:56.18 | aethera | (no debugging symbols found) |
| 13:56.19 | aethera | `system-supplied DSO at 0xffffe000' has disappeared; keeping its symbols. |
| 13:56.29 | xored | jm_: last question, sorry. Munin need mrtg AND rddtools, or just RDD tools ? |
| 13:56.30 | enveezee | Wyzard: I was considering it... but even still the only thing I really do on my desktop is IRC.. no point lugging around a expensive laptop for that. |
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| 13:56.45 | Wyzard | enveezee: though buying something expensive on credit when you can't afford it is a bad idea anyway |
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| 13:56.55 | jm_ | xored: neither, it uses Perl RRD modules |
| 13:56.56 | aethera | how do I execute the qt designer |
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| 13:57.10 | Wyzard | enveezee: I have an old Thinkpad T20 (700MHz P3) which I got on eBay last year for $345 |
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| 13:57.23 | torbjorn | seeing how there is a level 7 filtering patch for netfilter, does that mean i could filter incomming connections based on the HTTP Host: parameter? |
| 13:57.30 | torbjorn | by using iptables? |
| 13:57.35 | enveezee | Wyzard: I can get one of those for under $200 on pricewatch |
| 13:57.40 | jm_ | torbjorn: yes, but you can do that without level7 filtering |
| 13:57.46 | enveezee | Wyzard: I've got three broken thinkpads here now |
| 13:57.48 | froztbyte | $345?!! |
| 13:58.10 | enveezee | laptops from my experience are anything but portable |
| 13:58.10 | Wyzard | enveezee: It's not useful for modern games or anything, but it's great for listening to music at work, coding, and other such things |
| 13:58.12 | torbjorn | jm_: in this case i want to do a DNAT to a selected inner server |
| 13:58.23 | xored | jm_: fine, so i will desinstall them. which version to use ?, i found 1.2.4_0.1 |
| 13:58.24 | torbjorn | inner meaning its on an otherwise unavailable local network |
| 13:58.27 | enveezee | they are just light weight desktops with built in screens they arent built to be moved |
| 13:58.33 | jm_ | xored: use the one packaged by Debian |
| 13:58.35 | enveezee | oh and shitty hardware |
| 13:58.42 | enveezee | that cant be upgraded |
| 13:58.48 | torbjorn | guess i could just run a proxy server on the gateway |
| 13:58.58 | jm_ | torbjorn: there's string module, but what you want to do will be destined to a specific prot, won't it? |
| 13:59.01 | Wyzard | enveezee: You can't seriously be saying laptops aren't built to be moved |
| 13:59.06 | froztbyte | enveezee: they make for great serving systems |
| 13:59.11 | Wyzard | enveezee: I carry mine to and from work every day |
| 13:59.19 | enveezee | I've owned enough of them.. and not one has worked more than 6 months |
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| 13:59.32 | enveezee | nor have I gotten all the hardware to work in debian yet |
| 13:59.38 | torbjorn | jm_: well, i thought id only go for tcp port 80, but i could potentially look for any inbound http like connections i guess |
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| 13:59.45 | froztbyte | enveezee: at a LAN (as in game lanning) run a dhcp, irc server for the network |
| 13:59.47 | enveezee | they all have shitty buggy hardware from my experience. |
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| 14:00.00 | jm_ | torbjorn: you can do that with iptables, read iptables tutorial or the guides on netfilter.org |
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| 14:00.04 | enveezee | I had a mac once, it lasted up until I sold it. |
| 14:00.06 | Wyzard | enveezee: All the hardware in my Thinkpad works in Debian except the winmodem, which I don't really care about |
| 14:00.16 | torbjorn | jm_: without the level 7 patch? |
| 14:00.20 | Wyzard | enveezee: and I really have to wonder about how you treat a laptop if it breaks that quickly |
| 14:00.22 | enveezee | I bought that mac laptop for like $100 and sold it about a year later for $200 |
| 14:00.24 | jm_ | torbjorn: of course |
| 14:00.26 | xored | jm_ : iam first set it up on my suse machine at home, then transfer it to may root-server which runs on debian. just to make it "clean" |
| 14:00.33 | amphi | Wyzard: which thinkpad? |
| 14:00.37 | Wyzard | amphi: T20 |
| 14:01.00 | torbjorn | jm_: i see. i believed i had read the manual page enough times to catch that. so youre saying iptables has a module to recognise http connetions? |
| 14:01.00 | enveezee | Wyzard: I tear it apart on a daily basis doing exploratory surgery to work around fucking hardware glitches :P |
| 14:01.16 | amphi | Wyzard: uhuh - I had a T22 before, and its winmodem worked ok with the ltmodem driver, FWIW |
| 14:01.27 | Wyzard | amphi: I recently ordered a new Z60m which will be arriving in a few weeks, and it looks like most of that hardware will be supported too -- the only exception I know of is one of the memory-card slots (the SD one, I think) |
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| 14:01.49 | Wyzard | amphi: Good to know, but I haven't done dial-up in years so I'm not very motivated to try that on mine |
| 14:01.57 | enveezee | Wyzard: something will break, battery wont hold a charge anymore, screen will crack, backlight will die, hinge will bust// something and nothing that breaks on a laptop is covered by the manufacturer |
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| 14:02.20 | amphi | Wyzard: the one on this T42 only works with the linuxant driver, it seems *sigh* |
| 14:02.37 | valdyn | amphi: which one is that? |
| 14:02.43 | valdyn | amphi: some work w/ alsa |
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| 14:02.50 | Wyzard | enveezee: If the screen cracks or the hinge breaks, you're handling it way too roughly... it's portable, but that doesn't mean you should juggle it while you're using it |
| 14:03.03 | enveezee | I'd be real good to it, if it would just run debian and work.. but out of all the laptops I've owned none of them can do this |
| 14:03.07 | logg | enveezee: i've installed "equivs", created a control file with Depends: libqt3-mt, Provides: libqt3c102-mt. but the resulting package won't install: libqt3 and libqt3c102 conflict ! what am I missing ? |
| 14:03.20 | amphi | valdyn: I tried with alsa and slmodemd I think it was - I could never get it to hear a dialtone |
| 14:03.38 | azeem | logg: they conflict because there is a reason |
| 14:03.39 | Wyzard | enveezee: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ is a great place to learn about proper maintenance of a battery to prolong its life |
| 14:03.47 | enveezee | it took me several months just to get the compaq running debian at all.. it kept eating the filesystem because of some damn BIOS bug or something that didnt assign the right I/O ports to the disk controller |
| 14:03.57 | enveezee | after 500 or so kernels I worked around the bug |
| 14:04.12 | tarzeau | enveezee: you have dma? what compaq was that? |
| 14:04.15 | enveezee | it would work as long as you didnt load any modules that tried to assign I/O |
| 14:04.30 | enveezee | I think it was the Presario 906US.. its long gone now. |
| 14:04.33 | tarzeau | enveezee: must've been a nightmare. x works? |
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| 14:04.44 | logg | azeem: I know. I don't want libqt3c102, libqt3 provides the functionality |
| 14:04.52 | jm_ | torbjorn: no, I am saying you can catch connections to a given port and forward them |
| 14:04.53 | valdyn | amphi: it wasnt muted i guess? |
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| 14:05.13 | jm_ | torbjorn: and as I said previously, newer kernels and iptables have "string" module |
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| 14:05.26 | adapter | how can i set a default value to ip_conntrack, after i reboot it returns back to 256... |
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| 14:05.38 | jm_ | adapter: which value? |
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| 14:05.50 | adapter | a greater value, 2048 or smth |
| 14:05.57 | jm_ | be specific about it ... |
| 14:06.05 | enveezee | tarzeau: before I broke the screen at work, and then eventually thew it away because compaq refused to honor their warrenty I got all but the modem, pcmcia, keyboard and a few other minor things working.. the keyboard bug was mostly under the hood.. you really didnt notice it was there unless you were looking |
| 14:06.06 | keikoz | hi |
| 14:06.33 | xored | jm_: ok munin is running. Which port is used to acces ? |
| 14:06.43 | adapter | jm_ the value in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max |
| 14:07.04 | larmer | Hi. Do you know if there's a way to know all computers' ip addresses in the apartment? I wouldn't like to change my ip and subnet mask manually to enter the same lan... This is because the server machine's ip has changed and I would have to know the new one. |
| 14:07.10 | jm_ | xored: port? it works like mrtg - it generates HTML reports |
| 14:07.18 | enveezee | I think I am gonna visit the liquor store today.. I am aggitated :P |
| 14:07.23 | jm_ | adapter: man sysctl |
| 14:07.25 | tarzeau | larmer: ask who did the change |
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| 14:07.52 | larmer | tarzeau, We had electricity off a couple of hours, and when the server signed to the network again, it received another ip |
| 14:08.01 | amphi | valdyn: I don't think so ;) |
| 14:08.07 | tarzeau | larmer: what country is that? |
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| 14:08.13 | larmer | tarzeau, Finland :) |
| 14:08.29 | enveezee | anyhow the only way I can think of staying on IRC is not to stay on IRC as far as this phone goes. it wont seem to keep the socket connected so I will probably have to poll a wap gateway like I originally figured |
| 14:08.40 | larmer | tarzeau, and there was no electricity because a snowstorm had broken some wires |
| 14:08.52 | tarzeau | larmer: got some nice photos? |
| 14:09.17 | larmer | tarzeau, heh no I'm sorry |
| 14:09.18 | Tchiak | @_@ |
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| 14:09.36 | Bob332 | what is ncurses? |
| 14:09.41 | tarzeau | !ncurses |
| 14:09.41 | dpkg | hmm... ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: apt-get install libncurses-dev |
| 14:09.50 | xored | jm_: ok i got it, can you please join flood or smth, there is some strage output |
| 14:10.03 | xored | !paste |
| 14:10.03 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 14:10.06 | Bob332 | !apt |
| 14:10.06 | dpkg | hmm... apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.', or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 14:10.24 | jm_ | xored: not now |
| 14:10.29 | jelly | larmer: you could do a ping-scan and see what is up. nmap -sP. Do you at least know the network number? |
| 14:10.41 | cyzie | good day to everybody. Nobody answer me in #solaris. does anyone here come to know that equivalent command in solaris where in linux it is fdisk -l? thanks |
| 14:10.46 | xored | jm_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1190. |
| 14:10.53 | azeem | cyzie: probably not |
| 14:10.56 | xored | jm_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1190 |
| 14:11.10 | jelly | cyrie: format |
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| 14:11.18 | jelly | on Sparc Solaris. |
| 14:11.31 | larmer | jelly, I don't know... All I know is the server's lan ip and mask, and the beginning of the real ip (80.222.) |
| 14:11.43 | jm_ | xored: when did you get it? |
| 14:11.46 | cyzie | jelly, can you be a littel more specific ? |
| 14:12.00 | xored | i just connected to the output |
| 14:12.07 | xored | jm_ :i just connected to the output |
| 14:12.11 | jelly | cyzie: No, I usually use it interactively. |
| 14:12.14 | jm_ | xored: what do you mean connected to the output? |
| 14:12.17 | wizard | hi every! what would happen if the size of swap is smaller than size of RAM? |
| 14:12.19 | xored | jm_: if you give me your ip, i can allow you connecteing |
| 14:12.26 | valdyn | wizard: nothing |
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| 14:12.36 | wizard | thanks |
| 14:12.43 | xored | jm_: munin is running, so i get the output on ip:494, or ? |
| 14:12.47 | jelly | larmer: oh, so you want to find out your outside ip? |
| 14:12.51 | xored | jm_: 4949 |
| 14:13.10 | jm_ | xored: no, munin updates the graphs via cron jobs, you view them with your web browser by connecting to your HTTP server |
| 14:13.22 | larmer | I know mine, but I don't know the server's ip, which is under the same internet connection but has a different ip, naturally |
| 14:13.29 | adapter | jm_: can't i do a simple echo 1024 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max in the init script? |
| 14:13.40 | larmer | jelly, I know mine, but I don't know the server's ip, which is under the same internet connection but has a different ip, naturally |
| 14:13.48 | jm_ | adapter: sure you can, but why not simply edit sysctl.conf? |
| 14:13.49 | clojster | how to unzip all files in directory to another? unzip /foo/bar/* -d/bar/foo/ doesn't work |
| 14:14.12 | clojster | unzip /foo/bar/* -d /bar/foo/ |
| 14:14.21 | xored | jm_: my package is called munin_node. I do not see any "orking dir" in the CFG. What could be wrong ? |
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| 14:14.56 | jm_ | xored: htmldir /var/www/munin |
| 14:14.58 | fpitt_ | Hi to all |
| 14:14.58 | enveezee | clojster: ls *.zip | while read ZipFile; do unzip $ZipFile -d /foo/bar; done |
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| 14:15.17 | jm_ | xored: that's in Debian |
| 14:15.20 | clojster | enveezee: thanks |
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| 14:15.22 | adapter | jm_: i just add "net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max=1024 |
| 14:15.22 | adapter | " to /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
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| 14:15.25 | enveezee | clojster: ls *.zip | xargs unzip -d /foo/bar |
| 14:15.32 | enveezee | clojster: I could do this all day :P |
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| 14:15.57 | clojster | enveezee: I'm not so good in bash :/ |
| 14:16.10 | pureone | why not just do unzip -d /foo/bar *.zip |
| 14:16.15 | enveezee | clojster: you'd better learn. |
| 14:16.16 | xored | jm_: ah, that 4949 is a telnet port to setup the server. |
| 14:16.17 | froztbyte | closjter: scripter? |
| 14:16.25 | clojster | pureone: that doesn't work :/ |
| 14:16.39 | enveezee | pureone: *shrug* I've never4 used the program, and that was in his question as what didnt work |
| 14:16.44 | clojster | enveezee: yep... I'm planning it :) |
| 14:16.45 | unixrox | hey all |
| 14:16.51 | froztbyte | sorry, wrong name typed |
| 14:16.52 | jm_ | xored: that's a port for munin-node to listen on, and munin-server connects to it to gather the data |
| 14:17.12 | jelly | larmer: a strange configuration. You have multiple internet-side IP-s, each for one lan IP, but they're dynamical? |
| 14:17.21 | xfan | it is a good idea to make a installfest on my city ? (asuncion, paraguay) |
| 14:17.22 | bibe | what was that bot message with the steps to "clone" a debian installation with dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections, please? |
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| 14:17.24 | unixrox | i have a ? reguarding windows xp and grub dual boot system...does the ntfs partition have to be marked active for grub to boot it and debian to detect it? |
| 14:17.45 | froztbyte | enveezee: except for the absg (advanced bash scripting guide), what is a good read on bash usage (scripting, day to day use etc)? |
| 14:17.46 | enveezee | !listvals --get-selections |
| 14:17.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of '--get-selections' by value (4): debian clone ;; reinstall ;; ffs copy ;; package reselect. |
| 14:17.57 | xored | jm_: fine, no i just need to get the html dir running |
| 14:17.59 | enveezee | bibe: ^^ |
| 14:18.06 | bibe | enveezee : thanks a lot |
| 14:18.11 | pureone | ok |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | enveezee: you got it working! |
| 14:18.32 | enveezee | froztbyte: not a clue. I read the bash help, and the scripts on my system |
| 14:18.34 | Strogg | Is there any estimated date for etch to go stable? I'm guessing it's not gonna be any time soon, eh? |
| 14:18.35 | larmer | jelly, yes... each internet-side ip for every computer in the lan. the problem is that I should enter the server's lan to get to know its ip with "/sbin/ifconfig eth0" command. How do I set my lan ip and netmask? |
| 14:18.39 | abrotman | erm .. maybe not |
| 14:18.42 | enveezee | abrotman: not really the socket craps out all the time |
| 14:18.48 | larmer | jelly, -each- is too much |
| 14:18.53 | abrotman | enveezee: i blame the president |
| 14:18.55 | xored | jm_: could it be, that i just installed the node, without the server ß |
| 14:18.55 | enveezee | abrotman: I tried debugging the issue cant seem to figure it out |
| 14:19.05 | enveezee | abrotman: yeah its probably all his fault anyhow |
| 14:19.07 | abrotman | enveezee: use the source! |
| 14:19.07 | clojster | caution: filename not matched: /home/clojster/..CUSTOMIZE/gimp/Brushes/Zhennu5.zip |
| 14:19.14 | enveezee | abrotman: and if not, it should be |
| 14:19.19 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:19.26 | unixrox | i have a ? reguarding windows xp and grub dual boot system...does the ntfs partition have to be marked active for grub to boot it and debian to detect it? |
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| 14:19.42 | clojster | this is what I get when trying to unzip them all... I get this on each file: caution: filename not matched: /home/clojster/..CUSTOMIZE/gimp/Brushes/Zhennu5.zip |
| 14:19.43 | K | hi |
| 14:19.54 | jelly | larmer: I don't know. Reconfigure the router to give you static ips after you find out. ;-) |
| 14:19.55 | larmer | jelly, and the ip's change every now and then if you shut down the computer |
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| 14:20.35 | larmer | jelly, haha, it's because the ISP that they're dynamic... but thank you for help. |
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| 14:20.51 | jelly | larmer: my cheap wlan/adsl router can be told to set always the same ip (on lan) for a particular MAC address. |
| 14:20.54 | K | my Xorg crashed with the last apt-get upgrade... it is a fonts problem, anyone can help me? |
| 14:21.15 | larmer | jelly, that's cool. I don't think ours can do the same |
| 14:21.24 | Strogg | Does anyone have a link to a good guide to making a debian package? |
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| 14:21.32 | Strogg | ooooooooh hold that thought. I forgot about backports. |
| 14:21.43 | enveezee | abrotman: I am getting there.. I think I am gonna work with Virca.. I wasnt too impressed by WLIrc or jmIrc even though they seem to be bigger on features.. they got the woohoo (whocares) features and not the important ones VIrca does like color schemes (I like the white on black better and it saves power I am sure. and the different network I/O options Singles,Poll,Plain,Hybrid. and the window support is way better |
| 14:21.43 | larmer | jelly, because at least here in Finland you have to pay more to ISP if you want a static ip |
| 14:22.05 | cyzie | jelly, it doesnt work. i dont see any fdisk -l in solaris :/ |
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| 14:22.48 | enveezee | abrotman: it all depends I may dump the whole java socket api and work with a WAP gateway.. that gives me slightly more latency, but it completly eliminates connectivity issues because I am not connecting. I am just polling a wap site |
| 14:22.51 | jelly | cyzie: is it sparc or x86? I only have a sparc here. |
| 14:23.06 | cyzie | jelly, sparc 4u |
| 14:23.35 | enveezee | abrotman: I am not sure.. I am quite fed up with it right now. I tried 3 clients now that all run on my phone and not one works any bit reliably |
| 14:23.51 | larmer | I have to go. Bye all |
| 14:24.01 | bibe | !bye larmer |
| 14:24.02 | dpkg | Cya, larmer |
| 14:24.04 | jelly | cyzie: so, what information are you looking for? to see the slices (not really partitions), run: format, "part", "print" |
| 14:24.14 | enveezee | abrotman: WLIrc and jmIRC seem to not be able to recieve messages, and all of them raise random java IOexceptions using sockets |
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| 14:25.16 | abrotman | enveezee: is there an irc channel that you can .. ask ? |
| 14:25.20 | enveezee | abrotman: the creator of Virca isnt activly developing it anymore, and #virca has all of two people idling there :P |
| 14:25.28 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 14:25.33 | K | my Xorg crashed with the last apt-get upgrade... it is a fonts problem, anyone can help me?? |
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| 14:26.18 | enveezee | abrotman: I'd like to know wtf the Network I/O options mean.. it doesnt seem to be self explanitory and the manual for it is outdated.. the network i/o section includes different options from an older version |
| 14:26.44 | enveezee | abrotman: none of the options seem to change the outcome though so it doesnt matter too much |
| 14:26.58 | azeem | K: check the logs |
| 14:27.07 | azeem | K: are you running unstable or experimental? |
| 14:27.22 | cyzie | jelly , the command is '#format, "part", "print" ' ?? |
| 14:27.24 | abrotman | k: check your logs in /var/log/ |
| 14:27.35 | enveezee | abrotman: I thought I figured it out when I got home.. I thought maybe the power managment on the phone was killing my socket, but after turning that off, and having it die while typing a message or while idling many times, I've ruled that out |
| 14:27.45 | abrotman | enveezee: see .. this is why i don't try to do that kind of stuff from my phone :) |
| 14:28.04 | enveezee | abrotman: I dont know Java, but I am sure I can read enough of it to enlarge the program a bit throwing in some better debugging hooks if I get motivated |
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| 14:28.50 | enveezee | abrotman: the errors are far more verbose than the other two clients which just say "Error" this at least throws me your standard java traceback type crap I dont understand |
| 14:29.05 | xored | jm_: go it, was was really the server missing |
| 14:29.11 | robin_sz | enveezee, whenever I see sockets randomly closing, I usuaullt suspect a NAT router is crapping on things .. im usually tight |
| 14:29.14 | robin_sz | right |
| 14:29.21 | zaikxtox | someone had this message on debian Sarge? "ALSA lib pcm_mmap.c:368:(snd_pcm_mmap) mmap failed" |
| 14:29.25 | zaikxtox | runnins ams |
| 14:29.37 | enveezee | abrotman: seems to be a Java Socket I/O error when trying to recieve.. I need a debug hook to show me what was read from that socket when this happens |
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| 14:30.09 | abrotman | enveezee: draft ricky_clarkson :) |
| 14:30.30 | enveezee | robin_sz: it may be some network op or bot kicking me.. I found out the reason my debian mailing lists arent getting through to my pcs email is because I am not allowed to recieve email from .net or .org, ffs so maybe its because freenode is a .net *shrug* |
| 14:30.36 | enveezee | abrotman: java programmer? |
| 14:31.08 | robin_sz | nah, mail is different |
| 14:31.17 | enveezee | I know mail is different |
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| 14:31.42 | enveezee | but they are obviously trying to tightly control what you can see, so you will buy a pda and pay $80/mo for the same shitty service |
| 14:31.45 | poncha|work | i have the following line in /etc/cron.d/myexec : * * * * * root [ -r "$DEFAULT" ] && { . "$DEFAULT"; [ "$ENABLED" = "true" ] && { [ -r "$EXECUTABLE" ] && exec "$EXECUTABLE" } } |
| 14:31.48 | robin_sz | sounds like you need to find a less crap sysadmin |
| 14:32.05 | enveezee | I want a pda, but I am sure as shit not paying $80/mo for the service |
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| 14:32.22 | poncha|work | and i get error: /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 14:32.42 | poncha|work | what am i missing ? :) |
| 14:32.42 | hazel | my Xorg server crashes without any explicit error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log... it happens since last apt-get upgrade.. anyone can help me? |
| 14:32.45 | enveezee | as soon as I can find a resonable provider and a fairly cheap PDA I am getting it. I will just reduce my sprint phone to sprint-to-sprint calling plan to keep in touch with friends and family |
| 14:32.59 | poncha|work | sec, i'll post the whole file ... |
| 14:33.20 | robin_sz | enveezee, well, I never had problems with mail, but I use debian. perhaps you can get a version of debian in Java so you could run that |
| 14:33.30 | enveezee | heh |
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| 14:33.56 | enveezee | sure find me a java port of debian that is less than 1mb and downloadable through wap |
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| 14:34.08 | Coke | What is the command for listing symbols in an object file? |
| 14:34.12 | jm_ | nm |
| 14:34.20 | robin_sz | thats easy ... just recursivley gzip it ... |
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| 14:34.26 | Coke | jm_: thanks |
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| 14:34.27 | cyzie | thanks Jelly |
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| 14:34.44 | abrotman | enveezee: yeah |
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| 14:35.49 | robin_sz | anyway, never mind that, how m I going to get this Eicon Divas 4 x BRI isdn card to work with this version of Asterisk ... |
| 14:36.06 | enveezee | looks like I am going to have to bounce my emails off a .com server if I want to read mailing lists though.. bastards.. I am not paying $80/mo for internet no matter how annoying they are.. I told them this on the phone this morning when I was talking to them. |
| 14:36.25 | robin_sz | did you call them bastards? |
| 14:36.31 | poncha|work | the cron file is here: http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=5532 |
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| 14:37.09 | enveezee | no I called em fucking insane because they charge twice as much or more than any other company |
| 14:37.17 | robin_sz | good call |
| 14:37.19 | xored | jm_: are you away, need still a bit help |
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| 14:37.50 | enveezee | I was just going to get a blackberry and nextel internet for $45/mo or whatever it was.. but then abrotman spoiled my fun.. told me about the RIM lawsuit. |
| 14:38.10 | jm_ | xored: I will be in a few mins |
| 14:38.16 | abrotman | enveezee: sorry |
| 14:38.23 | enveezee | they got nice pdas for sprint, but I am not paying $80 unless its bi-monthly or something |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | enveezee: it might turn out to be nothing .. but due diligence is important! |
| 14:38.40 | enveezee | their only other plan is $40/mo for 40mb |
| 14:38.57 | enveezee | and I can use 40mb in as fast as the fuckers can send it to me |
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| 14:39.50 | enveezee | they charge for a 40mb cap, what every other provider in the galaxy charges for unlimited.. they are certainly mad |
| 14:39.56 | poncha|work | any idea what have i missed in cron.d here?: http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=5532 the error i'm getting by mail from cron is "/bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file" |
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| 14:40.37 | enveezee | I wouldnt even take that if they gave me two months free. |
| 14:40.52 | enveezee | they would have to give me 4-6 months free before I would even consider it |
| 14:40.53 | xored | jm_: glad, thank oyu |
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| 14:41.19 | xored | jm_: iam just trying and waiting for you signal :) |
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| 14:42.34 | ghnsxns | how can i tell xfce to exit not to its login window but to the prompt? |
| 14:43.06 | goon | how could come that fetchmail skip my mails? |
| 14:43.10 | enveezee | ghnsxns: you dont 'exit' you just change terminal |
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| 14:43.30 | mtnman | goon: try fetchmail -a <mailserver> |
| 14:43.34 | enveezee | ghnsxns: xfce is running inside an X session on tty7, there are tty1-6 with text consoles running |
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| 14:44.13 | enveezee | ghnsxns: you just switch to one and login. use Ctrl+Alt+Fx where x is the tty number, or chvt command works for changing virtual terminals too |
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| 14:44.36 | goon | mtnman, it says it can't connect to my local SMTP |
| 14:44.47 | goon | mtnman, but Postfix is running |
| 14:44.55 | mtnman | goon: why is it trying to do that? |
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| 14:45.07 | mtnman | what did you specify for mailserver? |
| 14:45.20 | enveezee | man if you ever get annoyed in here.. come in from a fucking cell phone with an 18x10 screen and 8keys to type with.. then come back to the pc after a few hours.. you will feel a lot better |
| 14:45.23 | mtnman | what was the exact command line you used? |
| 14:45.47 | goon | mtnman, pop.mail.yahoo.fr |
| 14:46.05 | mtnman | goon: do you have a .fetchmailrc? |
| 14:46.08 | goon | mtnman, but I've got user .fetchmailrc |
| 14:46.13 | ghnsxns | enveezee: thx |
| 14:46.16 | goon | mtnman, well, yes ;) |
| 14:46.22 | mtnman | goon: then just do fetchmail -a |
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| 14:46.26 | froztbyte | what can i use to query my monitor? i want to be able to enlarge my resolution but to do so i have to get the refresh rates right otherwise X bombs out with the error ´no screens found´ |
| 14:47.03 | enveezee | froztbyte: readedid, or just lookup the sync ranges on the web and put them into the config |
| 14:47.09 | enveezee | !sync |
| 14:47.09 | dpkg | for monitor sync ranges and refresh rates, see http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html |
| 14:47.18 | goon | mtnman, oh oh it seems that I didn't configure postifx |
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| 14:49.23 | goon | mtnman, shit I've configured it and I still have the same error |
| 14:49.44 | mtnman | goon: i don't run postfix, so unlikely i can help you with that. |
| 14:49.51 | SimonRaven | #postfix |
| 14:50.05 | goon | mtnman, how do your mail work? |
| 14:50.10 | bibe | hi all. Is there an easy way to import all mail and contacts from evolution into kmail or (better) thunderbird? I switched from Gnome to KDE more than a year ago but I still use Evolution |
| 14:50.17 | mtnman | goon: irrelavent. |
| 14:50.22 | goon | mtnman, I don't wanto use postfix |
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| 14:50.31 | mtnman | goon: apt-get install exim4 |
| 14:50.34 | goon | just fetchmail > procmail |
| 14:50.45 | ircdevil | what does matlab cost? |
| 14:50.51 | resiak | $100000000 |
| 14:50.53 | mtnman | goon: there is no mta in the chain you just described. |
| 14:51.01 | ircdevil | resiak: wow - and for two? |
| 14:51.05 | enveezee | bibe: I am sure there is, but I dont use email clients.. you would probably first have to export it in a sane format that the other client could read |
| 14:51.20 | De_Mon | hrm... I created a chroot and mounted proc within. but now I can't unmount it (trying to netboot) wth? |
| 14:51.27 | goon | mtnman, is it mandatory? |
| 14:51.32 | wang | are there any decent terminals with url catching? |
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| 14:51.57 | Blissex | De_Mon: I too have found that after 'chroot' one cannot 'umount' a partition... |
| 14:51.59 | bibe | enveezee : I already can do it for the mail, setting up a temporary mailserver... the real problem is for all the contacts |
| 14:51.59 | mtnman | goon: i consider any unix system w/o an mta to be broken, since the system wouldn't be able to send you messages. |
| 14:52.03 | enveezee | bibe: first hit on google was a 2003 mailing list post that says its not currently possible :P |
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| 14:52.17 | bibe | currently on 2003... |
| 14:52.30 | SimonRaven | many people would consider it borked, not just mtnman |
| 14:52.30 | mtnman | goon: i hear that nullmail is a basic replacement for an mta, but i don't really know anything about it. |
| 14:52.33 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 14:52.48 | goon | mtnman, thx I'll try to go on #postfix |
| 14:52.52 | De_Mon | wang you mean besides irssi? |
| 14:52.55 | enveezee | bibe: check your system ... do evolution[tab][tab] |
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| 14:53.02 | enveezee | bibe: you will probably be enlightened :P |
| 14:53.12 | enveezee | bibe: let me know if you see anything obvious |
| 14:53.18 | abrotman | wang: anything other than bitchx should work :) |
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| 14:53.47 | bibe | enveezee : I got into evolution2kmail script, but that didn't work. And evolution[tab][tab] only shows evolution and evolution-2.0 |
| 14:53.59 | enveezee | bibe: ah, hmm |
| 14:54.05 | exalted | Hi. Which is the recommend package to see battery status on laptop using 2.6 serie Linux kernel with Xorg/GNOME? Thank you. |
| 14:54.16 | enveezee | !find bin/evolution |
| 14:54.17 | abrotman | bibe: TBH .. i'd be ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 14:54.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/evolution' (1): (/usr/bin/{evolution|evolution-2.2|evolution-addressbook-export}) in gnome/evolution. |
| 14:54.44 | enveezee | abrotman: they probably wouldnt know about exporting ecolution address books |
| 14:54.51 | enveezee | bibe: you are missing something. |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | enveezee: they should know about tranferring data from one email client to thiers |
| 14:55.12 | abrotman | enveezee: that was sid .. is he using sid ? |
| 14:55.17 | enveezee | bibe: that package should contain the evolution-addressbook-export.. unless thats a really new thing |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | !find bin/evolution sarge |
| 14:55.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/evolution' (1): (/usr/bin/{evolution|evolution-2.0}) in gnome/evolution. |
| 14:55.35 | enveezee | ah |
| 14:55.35 | abrotman | !win me |
| 14:55.37 | enveezee | there you have it |
| 14:55.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:55.45 | abrotman | enveezee: you always win! |
| 14:55.54 | bibe | abrotman , enveezee : thank you |
| 14:56.27 | enveezee | it appears they didnt even think you would want to switch from evolution until recently :P |
| 14:56.50 | enveezee | they must have figured, once these mofo's see this shit, they wont even think about exporting contacts :P |
| 14:57.07 | azeem | you can select all contact (ctrl+a) and then export them as vcads |
| 14:57.09 | azeem | eh, vcards |
| 14:57.13 | azeem | easy enough to import |
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| 14:57.24 | azeem | (modulo vcard format madness) |
| 14:57.31 | enveezee | then one day some half-wit which was a bit smarter than the other quarter-wit GNOME devs said.. well people need to export contacts for other reasons too you know. |
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| 14:58.03 | abrotman | azeem: isn't vcard a standard format ? |
| 14:58.11 | azeem | abrotman: one would think |
| 14:58.12 | enveezee | and after they all beat the shit out of him for being right (I imagine this is how GNOME and KDE devs behave) they implemented a new feature |
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| 14:58.35 | azeem | abrotman: it is not properly versioned though, and different apps seem to believe different fiels should be there or a keys are named differently |
| 14:58.39 | bibe | azeem : I'm trying that, I hope not to lose too much contacts' details as I did when using evolution2kmail some months ago |
| 14:58.42 | azeem | abrotman: and then, there is the encoding... |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | and why isn't there just a standard ~/.addressbook that all apps share damn it |
| 14:59.40 | bibe | abrotman : that should be a winning point |
| 14:59.42 | JohnnyST | hi, I have an debian macine I would like that the dns information is uppdated in the /etc/dhcpd.conf config file from what I get from the isp is that possibe somehow? |
| 14:59.42 | azeem | abrotman: I talked to the scmxx author a while ago (a program to communicate with Siemens mobiles), and you get additional issues if the mobile developers wrote their vcard parsing code in assembler |
| 14:59.43 | enveezee | they could all just use a stardard XML address book in the same location. |
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| 14:59.54 | enveezee | but that would make too much sense |
| 15:00.11 | azeem | cause they're sloppy and optimizing for space, so dropping everything they don't know about etc. |
| 15:00.25 | azeem | enveezee: Unix is older than XML |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | enveezee: stop .. it hurts .. |
| 15:00.46 | SimonRaven | STOP MAKING SENSE DAMNIT! |
| 15:00.52 | abrotman | JohnnyST: you want the ISP DNS .. or not ? |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | mtnman: about which ? |
| 15:01.05 | enveezee | azeem: unix is older than email, whats the point :P |
| 15:01.09 | SimonRaven | :P |
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| 15:01.23 | enveezee | what does unix have to do with modern email clients on debian?! |
| 15:01.29 | zophyx___ | the shell is older than unix |
| 15:01.37 | azeem | enveezee: the point is that what seems sensible now, might not have been sensible five years ago |
| 15:01.45 | wang | damn, so like, 1965 shell? |
| 15:01.45 | abrotman | the capacitor is older than the shell! |
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| 15:02.18 | azeem | enveezee: and there is syncML, couldn't you use that as storage format as well? |
| 15:02.18 | azeem | uhm |
| 15:02.18 | azeem | or whatever XML it uses as backend |
| 15:02.18 | mtnman | and the abacus is older than the semiconductor. |
| 15:02.18 | enveezee | electrons are older than the capacitor |
| 15:02.20 | azeem | oh, right |
| 15:02.33 | Stereo | JohnnyST: look at the dnscache package |
| 15:02.48 | Stereo | JohnnyST: or any other small recursive dns package |
| 15:02.52 | JohnnyST | abrotman: yes the ips's dns servers ip's copied into /etc/dhcpd.conf automatically. |
| 15:02.56 | zophyx___ | how many electrons does it take to make unix ? |
| 15:03.00 | Stereo | JohnnyST: then tell the dhcpd to tell clients you're the dns server |
| 15:03.16 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 15:03.21 | beardy | zophyx___: Why should unix only run on electron based systems? |
| 15:03.23 | abrotman | JohnnyST: there should be an argument to your dhcp client |
| 15:03.36 | JohnnyST | ok thanks thats what I want.. |
| 15:03.40 | mtnman | beardy: feel free to port it to the system of your choice |
| 15:03.46 | zophyx___ | beardy: it shouldn't |
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| 15:03.46 | enveezee | everything tangible is electron based |
| 15:03.55 | abrotman | enveezee: tell you what .. make a well defined address book format in XML .. try to get everyone to adopt it |
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| 15:04.37 | enveezee | abrotman: I dont want to have any part in it.. I hate xml.. though I understand how its easy for a program to parse.. its fugly to me |
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| 15:04.59 | azeem | enveezee: just get kmail to use evolution-data-server as backend |
| 15:05.02 | azeem | there, easy enough |
| 15:05.18 | azeem | actually, this should've been submitted to fd.o years ago |
| 15:05.37 | xored | jm_: gone ? |
| 15:05.38 | takeshipwnedyou | howdy all, i'm having a little confusing sing the nvidia installer as set out in http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 15:05.39 | xored | :/ |
| 15:05.39 | T | Hi. I am going to install debian, do I have to download all the 13 CDs? |
| 15:05.46 | azeem | T: no |
| 15:05.51 | azeem | T: the first one is enough |
| 15:05.54 | enveezee | T: there are 14, and no |
| 15:05.56 | azeem | T: or even a "netinst ISO" |
| 15:06.06 | T | Which ones then? |
| 15:06.07 | enveezee | T: do ou have a net connection on the machine you are installing to? |
| 15:06.14 | T | yes |
| 15:06.16 | takeshipwnedyou | just binary-1, T |
| 15:06.23 | beardy | mtnman: I don't have a non-electron based system. And neither has anyone else (likely) on earth/in our (part of the)universe. |
| 15:06.28 | enveezee | T: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 15:06.43 | mtnman | beardy: then you've answered your own question. |
| 15:06.49 | T | does that apply to wireless |
| 15:06.51 | T | ? |
| 15:06.56 | enveezee | T: the net install image contains enough to bootstrap the system.. the rest of the software can be fetched as you need it. |
| 15:07.03 | beardy | mtnman: No? |
| 15:07.04 | zophyx___ | beardy: i forgot your question |
| 15:07.10 | beardy | Me too.. |
| 15:07.27 | mtnman | zophyx___: he asked why unix only runs on electron based systems. |
| 15:07.30 | T | thanx |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | azeem: file a wishlist bug :) |
| 15:07.42 | Coke | Does anybody know how I can make my Python C API init method _not_ take any arguments? It seems to have support for both *args and **kwargs automatically. |
| 15:07.49 | beardy | < beardy> zophyx___: Why should unix only run on electron based systems? |
| 15:07.55 | beardy | mtnman: I did not. |
| 15:08.26 | mtnman | beardy: wtf are you talking about now? the original question was silly enough. |
| 15:08.26 | zophyx___ | beardy: i don't know why |
| 15:08.39 | takeshipwnedyou | when i'm selecting the driver, if i scroll so the NVIDIA tab is selected, it appears to have the nv tab active (it has a # where everything else has a lillte box) |
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| 15:08.43 | Nenillo | hi |
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| 15:08.58 | tarzeau | abrotman, takatumi, streuner: apt-get install mazeofgalious :) |
| 15:08.59 | Nenillo | what can I use to log console sessions? |
| 15:09.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: i cannot! |
| 15:09.13 | beardy | mtnman: You obviously has no humour, or an incompatible one. Forget it. (and I didn'task you) |
| 15:09.19 | abrotman | !info mazeofgalious etch |
| 15:09.22 | dbron | Hi All, I have a question about mutt with vi as the editor. When I create an email, vi inserts the linebreaks at the "right" places for email. I often go back and add/remove text to teh message. Is there a way to get vi to "rethink" where the line breaks are? |
| 15:09.28 | dimir | !nickometer blablablabla |
| 15:09.28 | dpkg | 'blablablabla' is 0.000% lame, dimir |
| 15:09.31 | dimir | wow |
| 15:09.34 | dimir | OK. |
| 15:09.36 | dimir | :-P |
| 15:09.38 | enveezee | Nenillo: umm the shell already keeps a command history, you want to log it entirely stdout,stdin,stderr.. |
| 15:09.40 | mtnman | beardy: if you want to have a private conversation, there is /msg. |
| 15:09.41 | enveezee | ? |
| 15:09.54 | beardy | mtnman: wtf are you? |
| 15:09.54 | Nenillo | bash_history is not enough for me |
| 15:10.00 | Nenillo | I want more verbose log |
| 15:10.08 | abrotman | Nenillo: more verbose how ? |
| 15:10.08 | Nenillo | hour, tty, command |
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| 15:10.17 | abrotman | Nenillo: why? |
| 15:10.18 | blablablabla | dimir: whats thst? |
| 15:10.20 | enveezee | there is nothing more verbose.. thats all there was |
| 15:10.28 | Konky | h |
| 15:10.30 | Konky | hi |
| 15:10.33 | zophyx___ | hi |
| 15:10.36 | mtnman | beardy: you asked a silly question. i gave you a sarcastic answer. ready to drop it? |
| 15:10.40 | Konky | I just try to install kde but i get dependency errors |
| 15:10.42 | Konky | "apt-get install kde" is wrong ? |
| 15:10.43 | Nenillo | abrotman because more people uses that system |
| 15:10.43 | enveezee | unless you want completly every keystroke, output, and error like I asked you already |
| 15:10.51 | Nenillo | and I want to know what they do with root |
| 15:10.52 | abrotman | Nenillo: so what? .. you want to spy on your users ? |
| 15:10.57 | beardy | mtnman: read the backscroll, it was a comment to zophyx___ |
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| 15:11.05 | abrotman | Nenillo: here's a hint .. if you don't trust them .. don't give them root |
| 15:11.12 | abrotman | and that was free! |
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| 15:11.21 | enveezee | Nenillo: if they have root you wont know anything.. cause they can undo or circumvent anything you put in place |
| 15:11.27 | Konky | anyone knows how to install KDE on sarge ? |
| 15:11.30 | Nenillo | yes |
| 15:11.35 | abrotman | !tell Konky about install kde |
| 15:11.39 | Nenillo | but they don't have to know that |
| 15:11.41 | enveezee | Nenillo: you dont have multiple admins.. there is only one.. use sudo, ffs |
| 15:11.46 | mtnman | beardy: it was in the channel. as i said, if you want to have a private conversation, feel free to do so elsewhere. if you discuss something in the channel, be prepared for anyone to join in. |
| 15:11.53 | Konky | no that does nto work abrotman |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | Nenillo: and what if they're already logging you |
| 15:11.57 | enveezee | Nenillo: give them specific access to whatever you want them to use |
| 15:12.02 | Konky | kde: Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:12.02 | Konky | Depends: kdeaddons but it is not installable |
| 15:12.02 | abrotman | Konky: define doesn't work |
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| 15:12.07 | mtnman | beardy: i'm ready to drop it. are you? |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | Konky: are you using sarge/stable ? |
| 15:12.15 | Konky | sarge |
| 15:12.30 | Nenillo | they are root for emergency cases |
| 15:12.48 | abrotman | Konky: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:13.00 | Konky | 2.3.5-8 |
| 15:13.05 | takeshipwnedyou | Konky: try changing the sources in (i think) "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 15:13.06 | abrotman | !info libc6 testing |
| 15:13.09 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
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| 15:13.14 | abrotman | takeshipwnedyou: wrong .. be quiet |
| 15:13.23 | antgel | abrotman: i thank you to know that i had egg and tomato baguette and cherry danish pastry |
| 15:13.35 | abrotman | Konky: you're using testing(etch) .. not stable(sarge) |
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| 15:13.45 | Konky | hm |
| 15:13.48 | Konky | woody = stable |
| 15:13.50 | Konky | no ? |
| 15:13.52 | mtnman | no |
| 15:13.57 | Konky | damn ^^ |
| 15:13.59 | mtnman | !stable |
| 15:14.00 | dpkg | stable is, like, the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r0, or ask me about releases. |
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| 15:14.02 | Konky | ok sorry, i use testing |
| 15:14.02 | fireba11 | woody = old :-) |
| 15:14.06 | abrotman | antgel: i'm partial to onion bagels with lox/cream cheese or salmon creeam cheese |
| 15:14.06 | enveezee | takeshipwnedyou: the filename is right, but the answer to the question is not. |
| 15:14.11 | antgel | !tell Konky about releases |
| 15:14.16 | Konky | i thought woody = stable, sarge= testing, sid= unstable .. |
| 15:14.33 | takeshipwnedyou | that was some time ago |
| 15:14.33 | abrotman | Konky: well .. in that case .. KDE in testing is all kinds of messed up .. try with kdebase .. then try kde-core .. see if that works |
| 15:14.37 | mtnman | konky: you thought wrong. |
| 15:14.51 | takeshipwnedyou | i was using sage-testing when it became stable |
| 15:14.51 | enveezee | Konky: yeah like 6 months ago |
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| 15:14.55 | Konky | damn |
| 15:14.59 | Konky | so the releases switched ? |
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| 15:15.07 | abrotman | Konky: no .. the release was released :) |
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| 15:15.11 | takeshipwnedyou | yeah, testing is now Etch... |
| 15:15.13 | Konky | *g |
| 15:15.15 | enveezee | Konky: sarge released June 15th IIRC |
| 15:15.28 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 15:15.29 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:15.30 | Konky | i now understand why i was not abel to get this running at my friends computer |
| 15:15.32 | antgel | Konky: how about you read up on this? next you'll be asking if water is wet |
| 15:15.33 | takeshipwnedyou | how stable is that, these days? i might switch up... |
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| 15:15.41 | Konky | should i go back to stable then ? |
| 15:15.42 | abrotman | takeshipwnedyou: if you use KDE .. don't yet |
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| 15:15.47 | abrotman | Konky: you can't downgrade |
| 15:15.49 | abrotman | !d-i Konky |
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| 15:15.50 | tarzeau | !yoga |
| 15:15.50 | takeshipwnedyou | oh, ok |
| 15:15.50 | dpkg | Konky, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:15.50 | dpkg | somebody said yoga was a way that apt flexes himself, when there is a netsplit and none is in the channel |
| 15:15.51 | Konky | great |
| 15:15.56 | Konky | day wasted;/ |
| 15:15.58 | enveezee | Konky: you cant go back. you have to burn a new sarge d-i cd |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | Konky: try kdebase .. then kde-core |
| 15:16.08 | mtnman | konky: if you have to ask, then yes, you should use stable. |
| 15:16.10 | abrotman | Konky: if those install kde may install next week |
| 15:16.21 | antgel | Konky: that'll teach you to install an operating system without reading the background :) |
| 15:16.24 | Konky | ok |
| 15:16.25 | enveezee | abrotman: haha |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | or use something other than KDE .. your world won't end .. trust me |
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| 15:16.54 | Konky | i guess unstable is a nightmare now ? ^^ |
| 15:17.24 | De_Mon | any cobalt x86 users in here? |
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| 15:17.33 | abrotman | Konky: don't use unstable .. either use stable .. or install kdebase .. |
| 15:17.38 | abrotman | Konky: apt-get install kdebase |
| 15:17.40 | bolidz | hi |
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| 15:17.50 | enveezee | not today |
| 15:18.04 | Konky | yea i am installign base right now |
| 15:18.06 | xored | somone has experience with munin. I want to check where the cronjobis in wheater he is working |
| 15:18.12 | alfametal | hi everyone.. i would like to know where to download the .iso of x64 debian.. can anyone help me out with this? |
| 15:18.17 | abrotman | xored: with what ? |
| 15:18.18 | muerd | hy |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | alfametal: for athlon64 ? |
| 15:18.28 | xored | abrotman: what do you mean ? |
| 15:18.32 | alfametal | abrotman yup |
| 15:18.34 | abrotman | wtf is munin |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | !tell alfametal about amd64 |
| 15:18.39 | alfametal | abrotman socket 939 |
| 15:18.44 | enveezee | jibberish |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | jabberish |
| 15:18.51 | muerd | anybody knows a driver for finalscratch |
| 15:18.55 | xored | abrotman: a app for gather traffic and other sysstats |
| 15:19.18 | Strogg | Is there anything tricky about making an apt source? I want to setup a server that I can apt get packages from. |
| 15:19.33 | Strogg | is it just a matter of making the directories and putting the deb files there? |
| 15:19.42 | abrotman | Konky: maybe you sohuld try gnome .. it seems to be working pertty well on my etch laptop at home |
| 15:19.44 | azeem | Strogg: dpkg-scanpackage |
| 15:19.44 | azeem | s |
| 15:19.47 | enveezee | Strogg: can you be more specific about the purpose of this? there are a number of options |
| 15:19.55 | xored | abrotman: its based on the rrdtool |
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| 15:20.04 | abrotman | xored: yeah .. i have no idea what it is .. sorry |
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| 15:20.16 | xored | abrotman: no problem |
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| 15:20.30 | Strogg | enveezee: I have a bunch of deb boxes, and I'm going to be creating some packages.. I want an easy way to distribute them to all the boxes. I was thinking of setting up a webserver that I can apt from |
| 15:20.36 | alfametal | abrotman is it a good idea using x64 debian now? or would you recoment using the x86_32 version? |
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| 15:20.56 | alfametal | abrotman recomend* |
| 15:20.59 | Strogg | enveezee: so that the next time I apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, the new packages will be installed or available |
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| 15:21.07 | blaamann | Is Debian Sarge a "shadow password systems" ? |
| 15:21.12 | mtnman | strogg: you may want to look into apt-proxy |
| 15:21.31 | Strogg | mtnman: it's not really what I want. I've setup an apt-proxy before.. |
| 15:21.32 | Shadur | blaamann: Depending on what the hell you mean by that, probably yes. |
| 15:21.35 | bibe | Strogg : I did it recently, I am looking for the howto I followed |
| 15:21.49 | mtnman | strogg: then you haven't described your needs sufficiently. |
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| 15:21.53 | Strogg | bibe: awesome.. Thanks |
| 15:22.04 | enveezee | Strogg: make your own judgement look at things like apt-move, apt-cacher, apt-proxy, debarchiver, debpartial |
| 15:22.16 | bibe | Strogg http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository |
| 15:22.24 | blaamann | Shadur: One of the question I get in the readme file for installing KDE using konstruct |
| 15:22.30 | Strogg | enveezee: Thanks. Am reading now |
| 15:22.46 | Strogg | bibe: awesome, thanks. Repository.. that was the word I couldn't find in my head. hehe |
| 15:22.58 | enveezee | Strogg: I'd think for making your own packages and serving them you may just need the apt-move to help you build a proper archive then a http server like you suffested |
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| 15:23.13 | bibe | Strogg : I use it for kernel (many servers have the same architecture) and some recompiled apache2 modules |
| 15:23.58 | k31th | is it just the firsst cd ill need for a server install ? |
| 15:24.12 | enveezee | k31th: you could use the netinst |
| 15:24.22 | k31th | i dont want to cane the deb mirrors for iso's i dont need |
| 15:24.35 | enveezee | k31th: you could use the netinst |
| 15:24.40 | k31th | yes. |
| 15:25.15 | Kluster_v2 | plus netinst assure you you get the "latest" packages |
| 15:25.25 | Strogg | k31th: get the mini install iso.. it's only like 180meg or so. maybe smaller. |
| 15:25.26 | k31th | yeah ill go for it |
| 15:25.30 | enveezee | I need to go make some food.. and decide if I want to go get some alcohol. |
| 15:25.42 | k31th | i have the first iso can i net install from that ? |
| 15:25.50 | Strogg | don't mention food.. I skipped breakfast today.. lunch in an hour though |
| 15:25.53 | enveezee | k31th: yes. |
| 15:25.58 | k31th | sweet |
| 15:26.15 | enveezee | k31th: k31th you will configure apt during base-config just choose an http/ftp mirror |
| 15:26.56 | k31th | enveezee: ahh yes just like woody |
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| 15:27.43 | zync | i needed to reformat my windows.. windows override my loader.. is there a way i can run my debian again without reinstalling? |
| 15:27.49 | Konky | i installed kdebase and kde-core |
| 15:27.53 | Konky | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 5: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory |
| 15:27.57 | enveezee | Strogg: they are called Netinstall and Business card iso. The Businesscard is the netinstall without the base system. I prefer the full netinstall, because if for some strange reason you cant get the network up in the installer, you can just worry about it in stage2 after you've booted into a fresh debian system, and dont have to try built wlan drivers or troubleshoot netowrk from a busybox toolchain |
| 15:28.30 | SimonRaven | um, you need x too... |
| 15:28.40 | froztbyte | zync: from windows install a syslinux or similar bootloader to a stiffy disk (or cd, or whatever) and then boot using the loader commands |
| 15:29.21 | stew | Konky: install x-window-system-core |
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| 15:29.42 | darkcmd | hi |
| 15:29.45 | zync | froztbyte: hmm.. ok thanks.. can i just use partition magic? |
| 15:29.54 | Konky | ok i thought this is a normal dependency |
| 15:29.58 | abrotman | alfametal: depends on your needs |
| 15:30.05 | froztbyte | zync: for instance (with grub), when the shell has loaded type root (hd0,0) {replace that with your root hard drive}, then kernel /path/to/kernel, and then initrd /path/to/init {if you have one}, and then boot |
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| 15:30.11 | antgel | Konky: again, too much thinking, not enough hard facts |
| 15:30.12 | xored | somone has experience with munin. I want to check where the cronjobis in wheater he is working |
| 15:30.21 | alfametal | abrotman ehehe.. im thinking about knowledge.. learning how to use linux |
| 15:30.21 | froztbyte | zync: nope, partition magic doesn have linux boot images |
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| 15:30.35 | froztbyte | doesnt* |
| 15:30.41 | abrotman | alfametal: last i knew .. things like flash and openoffice didn't work in pure64 |
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| 15:30.52 | alfametal | abrotman hmm |
| 15:31.03 | zync | froztbyte: ok.. thanks |
| 15:31.04 | alfametal | abrotman how about games? |
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| 15:31.14 | abrotman | alfametal: you sohuld double check with #debian-amd64 .. ask them about apps that are known not to work in pure64 |
| 15:31.17 | abrotman | alfametal: what games ? |
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| 15:31.39 | enveezee | Strogg: currently for i386 Sarge 3.1r1 they are 110mb and 31mb |
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| 15:31.46 | alfametal | abrotman any kind of games.. is there a problem with games in pure64 also? |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | alfametal: it depends on the game .. closed games probably won't work .. but games in debian should work .. |
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| 15:32.50 | enveezee | I really dont know about the other archs, but from the i386 it seems silly to call the small one a business card ISO, because even the full netinstall would fit on a business card cd |
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| 15:32.53 | alfametal | abrotman ooh ic.. i think its a good idea keep the x32 stuff huh? hehehe |
| 15:33.03 | Haukkari | eek. Is there an AMD64 Debian or should AMD64 users take the IA64? |
| 15:33.06 | alfametal | abrotman and wait for next year and the new x64 softwares |
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| 15:33.08 | Haukkari | IA64 Debian, that is |
| 15:33.12 | abrotman | alfametal: depends what games you play |
| 15:33.20 | abrotman | Haukkari: amd64 is NOT IA64 |
| 15:33.22 | Shadur | Haukkari: Don't take IA64. It's got nothing to do with the athlon64. |
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| 15:33.26 | enveezee | my mini cds are 210MB I've seen ones that were 185MB |
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| 15:33.29 | abrotman | Haukkari: did you pay 10,000$ for your system ? |
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| 15:33.36 | Haukkari | eek |
| 15:33.37 | Haukkari | abrotman: no |
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| 15:33.45 | abrotman | !tell Haukkari about amd64 |
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| 15:33.51 | abrotman | Haukkari: IA64 is Itanium |
| 15:33.53 | darkcmd | I think x86 is perfectly fine |
| 15:33.54 | alfametal | abrotman well, at the moment i cant play any game because i still dont have a good VGA.. will buy it in january. But im thinking about Lineage 3 (unreal engine 3) |
| 15:34.02 | alfametal | abrotman hl2, quake 4... |
| 15:34.07 | abrotman | alfametal: if it's closed .. it's probably 32bit |
| 15:34.13 | Haukkari | I know that IA64 is Itanium, but I thought it would work as well (being 64-bit)... but come to think of it. Is it even x86 compatible? |
| 15:34.15 | abrotman | alfametal: someday there will be multiarch |
| 15:34.18 | ViViD | does anyone know how to edit my menu.lst to enable ide-scsi for my cdburner? |
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| 15:34.27 | abrotman | Haukkari: IA64 isn't remotely the same as AMD64 |
| 15:34.40 | Shadur | Haukkari: It doesn't - one of the reasons the Itanic tanked was because it wasn't compatible with anything at all. |
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| 15:34.52 | urupica | the user 'nobody' is running 'find' for hours now which is taking a lot of resources. any suggestions? |
| 15:34.54 | alfametal | abrotman i see.. i'd better get the ia32 one then... |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | Shadur: not quite true .. it ran x86 binaries .. at the speed of a P75 :) |
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| 15:35.14 | abrotman | urupica: it's your updatedb .. kill it if you don't use locate |
| 15:35.28 | abrotman | or that's my guess anyways :) |
| 15:35.46 | enveezee | mandb runs at like 6am, too |
| 15:36.06 | enveezee | at least I think its 6am IIRC |
| 15:36.13 | urupica | is it normal that updatedb takes so much time to update the database? |
| 15:36.31 | darkcmd | i've noticed its taken a long time on every distribution |
| 15:36.37 | enveezee | thats the whole point of a locate database |
| 15:36.41 | abrotman | urupica: depends ont he file system .. and how many files etc .. |
| 15:36.56 | enveezee | to take a long time finding everything and indexing it, so when you need to find something, you dont have to wait that long |
| 15:37.03 | beardy | urupica: Do you have a lot of files, and I mean a LOT? Or a 486? |
| 15:37.08 | abrotman | if you've got 300GB of 1KB files .. it could take a while :) |
| 15:37.25 | Haukkari | beep |
| 15:37.29 | enveezee | abrotman: especially if its writing the db on the same drive |
| 15:37.30 | Haukkari | About that AMD64 port... |
| 15:37.33 | ViViD | anyone know how to enable ide-scsi for my cdrw? the modules is already loaded into the kernel |
| 15:37.51 | urupica | yeah, i have about 250gb. but a 3200mhz cpu |
| 15:37.52 | enveezee | ViViD: why would you do that? |
| 15:38.04 | abrotman | Haukkari: AUUUUGA! |
| 15:38.05 | Haukkari | How come that I hear from Gentoo-amd64 users that "It's so fast and cool and perfect and just works" when in the DebianAMD64Faq in the wiki someone bashes the bi-arch (lib32 and lib64) |
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| 15:38.13 | gaber | re |
| 15:38.20 | darkcmd | hi |
| 15:38.21 | ViViD | because atapi devices are slow.. |
| 15:38.24 | Haukkari | And yeah, Gentoo users are weird, they like Gentoo and all... but anyway, is that wiki up to date? :) |
| 15:38.25 | gaber | how to change default gcc in sarge? |
| 15:38.35 | abrotman | Haukkari: what do the gentoo people say works ? pure64 or multi-arch ? |
| 15:38.36 | k31th | it asks you if you want to do a netinstall after it installs the base packages? |
| 15:38.39 | darkcmd | anyone know how to change my GTK2 font? |
| 15:38.42 | Haukkari | abrotman: multi-arch |
| 15:38.45 | enveezee | ViViD: its still an IDE ATAPI device no matter what you do |
| 15:38.45 | abrotman | !gtk2 font |
| 15:38.46 | dpkg | [gtk2 font] to change the default font, add something like "gtk-font-name = "Verdana 12"" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0, or try gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 15:39.01 | abrotman | Haukkari: are they using multiarch or a chroot ? |
| 15:39.04 | Haukkari | abrotman: a friend of mine, who is a die-hard-gentooist (whom I'm trying to convert into not flaming every other distro)... |
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| 15:39.15 | Haukkari | abrotman: the Gentoo default is multiarch |
| 15:39.17 | ViViD | enveezee: but it runs as a scsi devices with scsi emulation via ide-scsi module |
| 15:39.18 | enveezee | ViViD: simply emulating SCSI doesnt give you extra wires, a new drive controller..etc it just takes up more memory and adds more complexity to the matter |
| 15:39.25 | Haukkari | abrotman: and it seems to work... |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | Haukkari: you'd have to ask #debian-amd64 .. they would know more about multi-arch |
| 15:39.35 | k31th | i used to be a gentooist |
| 15:39.40 | ViViD | enveezee: it makes it work |
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| 15:39.44 | Haukkari | abrotman: ok, thanks for the hint. I'll do that. :) |
| 15:39.44 | k31th | then i used linux at work |
| 15:39.58 | enveezee | ViViD: whatever you say.. you need sr_mod for scsi cdroms IIRC |
| 15:40.05 | ViViD | all the tutorials i find show how to enable the module via lilo, and not for grub |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | Haukkari: the multi-arch doesn't just apply to amd64 .. |
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| 15:40.32 | hpr717 | mjello! |
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| 15:40.33 | urupica | how do i prevent updatedb to update the db? i didn't find any entry in /etc/cron* |
| 15:40.35 | ViViD | the module is already installed, i need to pass a command like hdc=ide-scsi |
| 15:40.37 | enveezee | ViViD: its the same either way, its just a kernel parameter and its not required in most cases |
| 15:40.56 | ViViD | its required when your atatpi device responds 30seconds late |
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| 15:41.12 | enveezee | ViViD: no, if you had a cdrom driver, it would find cdroms.. unload the IDE-cdrom and load sr_mod |
| 15:41.14 | hpr717 | does the net install cd provide an installation of a pure gnome desktop environment? |
| 15:41.38 | xored | how can i fully use my MX510 under linux ? |
| 15:41.38 | ViViD | i dont think you understand what im trying to do |
| 15:41.48 | Shadur | xored: Define "fully" |
| 15:41.50 | enveezee | I dont think you understand what you are trying to do |
| 15:42.01 | enveezee | believe me that driver in no way makes your drive act like a scsi, it just presents a different way of accessing it to the application |
| 15:42.04 | basix | hiya! where will i get mp3 format specs? I was thinking of writing my own mp3 player. Before you suggest to look at code, I already did and its boring. I need some docs to look at. And I know there are plenty of players out there. This is purely as a learning experience. |
| 15:42.20 | xored | Shadur: all buttons. So that i can navigate through the browser with the buttons beside etc. |
| 15:42.30 | hpr717 | i've noticed, that whenever you try installing debian with: [x] desktop environment, it includes even kde packages. |
| 15:42.40 | ViViD | well, my kernel 2.4.27 reacts to atapi burners retardedly |
| 15:42.44 | abrotman | hpr717: and ? |
| 15:42.52 | squ | what is better for home pc debian or freebsd? |
| 15:42.52 | abrotman | !tell hpr717 about install gnome |
| 15:42.58 | abrotman | squ: define better |
| 15:43.01 | enveezee | basix: thats not really on-topic hear, google for mp3 header specs or something |
| 15:43.06 | enveezee | s/hear/here/ |
| 15:43.32 | squ | abrotman, what else? i need tex here and gcc, and of course security:) |
| 15:43.41 | enveezee | ViViD: then maybe your kernel is the problem, upgrade it while you are randomly trying goofy things to improve performance |
| 15:43.47 | enveezee | try a 2.6 kernel image |
| 15:44.02 | abrotman | squ: you're also ask the debian channel .. what do you think we'll say :) |
| 15:44.04 | ViViD | K222ZJ8M66R |
| 15:44.06 | abrotman | !tell squ about why debian |
| 15:44.22 | ViViD | !tell enveezee about ide-scsi |
| 15:44.31 | enveezee | !tell ViViD about stfu |
| 15:44.38 | basix | enveezee, which channel should go to? Google doesn't really help! I just end up reading that mp3 is a proprietary format. You will have to pay for it.... How the hell are there so many encoder / decoders out there?! |
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| 15:44.48 | abrotman | basix: ask #xmms .. they may know |
| 15:44.55 | ViViD | read how its <required> for kernels pre 2.6 |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | ViViD: ask #grub |
| 15:45.12 | squ | abrotman, now im thinking of debian, just because there are 750 people here and only 300 people at freebsd:) |
| 15:45.25 | abrotman | squ: bsd is dying .. have'nt you heard :) |
| 15:45.25 | ViViD | abrotman: thanks, a much more helpful answer |
| 15:45.28 | enveezee | !factinfo ide-scsi |
| 15:45.29 | dpkg | ide-scsi -- last modified at Thu Dec 11 18:27:50 2003 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 71 times, last by ViViD, 1m 7s ago. |
| 15:45.41 | basix | abrotman, ok.! |
| 15:45.56 | squ | abrotman, i have heard it got good security.. and cool logo:) |
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| 15:46.18 | abrotman | squ: well .. use what suits you .. i've dabbled in fbsd . i wasn't so impressed ..but that's just me |
| 15:46.36 | xored | _ |
| 15:46.41 | abrotman | = |
| 15:46.45 | squ | + |
| 15:46.45 | xored | j+ |
| 15:46.48 | xored | ;) |
| 15:47.15 | ViViD | and i use the 2.4 kernel because it needs next to no re-compilation for my hardware |
| 15:47.24 | ViViD | i mean, debian is based on stability right.. |
| 15:47.50 | enveezee | brb, got to reboot |
| 15:48.45 | squ | whats the difference between woody installmanual and stable? |
| 15:49.26 | _jon | when will be kde3.5 in debian unstable? |
| 15:49.40 | ViViD | woody is old |
| 15:49.50 | ViViD | stable = sarge |
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| 15:51.55 | nvz | ViViD: I must be imagining this cd burning here.. I just booted the oldest damn kernel I could find (2.4.25-386) and it burned an ATAPI cd just fine |
| 15:52.11 | nvz | note that factoid is 2 years old, and that this is a cdrecord thing, not a linux thing |
| 15:52.33 | ViViD | i can record with k3b fine too |
| 15:52.46 | ViViD | but many gui simply are frontends for cdrecord |
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| 15:53.01 | stew | ViViD: afaik, its all, not many |
| 15:53.07 | azeem | there is libburn |
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| 15:53.15 | nvz | K3b prefers cdrdao IIRC |
| 15:53.29 | azeem | so, coaster, e.g. does not use cdrecord. But it is WIP/vapourware |
| 15:53.36 | stew | didn't know that |
| 15:53.45 | ViViD | and gui frontends using cdrecord require ide-scsi in kernels pre 2.6 |
| 15:53.52 | stew | cdrdao cant do SAO or TAO though, can it? |
| 15:53.55 | nvz | no they dont |
| 15:54.11 | ViViD | the k3b im using has tao |
| 15:54.29 | nvz | ffs I just burnt a sarge netinstall cd from 2.4.25 less than 2 minutes ago |
| 15:54.37 | nvz | using IDE/ATAPI burner |
| 15:54.59 | abrotman | ViViD: they do not all REQUIRE .. but many applications don't work well without it |
| 15:55.00 | nvz | normally I wouldnt go through that trouble but I almost started believing you for a minute |
| 15:55.35 | nvz | I had to prove I was right to myself so I wouldnt start getting silly ideas like you do |
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| 15:56.42 | nvz | oh well I am going to have lunch.. adn I think I am definatly getting alcohol now |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | ViViD: good job .. you made him drink .. he's been on the wagon .. since yesterday! |
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| 15:57.49 | enveezee | heh |
| 15:57.54 | enveezee | I didnt get drunk yesturday |
| 15:57.57 | snowgeese | does any one use k weather |
| 15:58.02 | ViViD | well, in my case im getting sloppy performance |
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| 15:58.27 | ViViD | and ive got the modules installed but i can only find instructions for enabling it for lilo, and not grub |
| 15:58.40 | snowgeese | any one use k weathe |
| 15:58.48 | abrotman | snowgeese: stop repeating |
| 15:58.52 | snowgeese | ok |
| 15:58.57 | enveezee | I'd try upgrading the kernel, getting better hardware.. any number of things can affect cd burning performance, choice of ide-cd over sr_mod isnt one of them afaik.. at least not in the last 6mo |
| 15:59.08 | abrotman | snowgeese: how about oyu just tell us the problem .. and check the BTS |
| 15:59.23 | snowgeese | mine wont update shoews 3 month old month |
| 15:59.34 | snowgeese | what is bts? |
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| 15:59.41 | Ronin | !bts |
| 15:59.42 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 15:59.43 | enveezee | hahaha |
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| 16:00.00 | Ronin | humm should have done a tell on that one |
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| 16:00.14 | snowgeese | i thought a nother user might know |
| 16:00.25 | snowgeese | also how do i update kde |
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| 16:01.00 | SlayerXP | snowgeese: apt-get update; apt-get install kde |
| 16:01.40 | kikov | hello... did somebody tried to compile kde 3.5 with konstruct in sid? I'm getting some unexpected behaviours ( no anti-aliasing, no style... ) |
| 16:01.53 | zdennis | hey all. I am setting up a new box...and i've got a realtek 8139 card in it. Using Debian 3.1ra installer. I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or Resource busy when running ifup eth0. When i unload 8139too mdoule from the kernel and reload it, it says it's getting set to IRQ 1. Which I know is incorrect, because that's the keyboard, any ideas? |
| 16:03.45 | cheal | kikov: #debian-kde |
| 16:03.49 | ViViD | its not changing it to a scsi |
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| 16:04.06 | ViViD | its making it look like scsi |
| 16:04.32 | cheal | snowgeese: update to what? apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:04.33 | ViViD | because instead of re-writing a ton of apps, developers decided this would be an easier approach to atapi |
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| 16:07.59 | xored | _someone has experience with configring the munin plugins, esp. the ip_ plugin ' |
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| 16:08.53 | snowgeese | got my weater fixed |
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| 16:11.15 | JL0gik | anyone good at scripting? |
| 16:11.46 | abrotman | which kind of scripting? |
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| 16:12.41 | nvz | sripting what? |
| 16:13.44 | nvz | abrotman. no fair i only have 8 keys :p |
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| 16:14.12 | abrotman | nvz: and yet .. you just typed that :) |
| 16:14.26 | abrotman | JL0gik: what kind of scripting ? |
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| 16:17.55 | paulswm | abrotman: Evidently the silent kind |
| 16:18.02 | JL0gik | i have a flat file with the syntax: John Doe 1234567, i need first 3 chars of first name, and first three chars of last name, then first 2 dig of id |
| 16:18.12 | JL0gik | then cat them together |
| 16:18.24 | StyXman | is there any way to read sata disk's temperature? |
| 16:18.26 | SlayerXP | StyXman: depends on the disc |
| 16:18.26 | StyXman | hddtemp doesn't work |
| 16:18.40 | abrotman | JL0gik: ask #bash .. awk should be able to do that |
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| 16:18.45 | `9m4re` | re * |
| 16:18.48 | paulswm | JL0gik: that would be shell scripting of course, /j #bash |
| 16:18.54 | abrotman | `9m4re`: no |
| 16:19.02 | `9m4re` | what is package can i get services-admin ? |
| 16:19.10 | abrotman | !find services-admin |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | wtf is services-admin ? |
| 16:19.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'services-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/services-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/C/services-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/nl/services-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 16:19.25 | abrotman | oh .. well .. there we go! |
| 16:19.28 | zdennis | is there any way to force a device to use a different IRQ then the one it's using? |
| 16:19.37 | ViViD | enabling ide-scsi is easy |
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| 16:19.53 | abrotman | ViViD: glad you found that out :) |
| 16:20.01 | paulswm | JL0gik: You could do it with plain shell scripting using a for list and prameter subsitution, or with awk, or with perl, but #bash is the place to start |
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| 16:20.27 | mohadib | how could i record the sound totem plays? |
| 16:20.30 | `9m4re` | hmm gnome-system-tools installed ? why i don't have services-admin |
| 16:20.34 | ViViD | me too |
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| 16:20.42 | mohadib | i want to record the music from a dvd |
| 16:20.59 | StyXman | SlayerXP: any relevant docs? |
| 16:21.16 | SlayerXP | JL0gik: echo "John Doe 1234567" | perl -e 'while(<>){@foo=split/ /,$_; print substr($foo[0],0,3)." ". substr($foo[1],0,3)." ". substr($foo[2],0,2)."\n";}' |
| 16:21.19 | SimonRaven | `9m4re`: hint: serv<tab><tab> |
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| 16:21.32 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you bastard! |
| 16:21.42 | `9m4re` | SimonRaven: sir i know that :-), but i can't found services-admin |
| 16:21.52 | abrotman | SlayerXP: come on .. let him do a little work |
| 16:22.06 | abrotman | find services-admin sarge |
| 16:22.09 | abrotman | !find services-admin sarge |
| 16:22.12 | cahoot | mohadib: mplayer is no option? I believe it could dump the sound to a file for you |
| 16:22.13 | SlayerXP | abrotman: chances of him knowing perl? :) |
| 16:22.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'services-admin' (1): (/usr/share/omf/gnome-system-tools/services-admin-C.omf, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/C/services-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 16:22.30 | abrotman | SlayerXP: awk is a good way too .. but that's not the problem .. a little reading would have fixed him right up |
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| 16:22.57 | mohadib | cahoot: i could compile mplayer , i only want to grab about 5 minutes of the audio on the cd , is this possible , or will I have to dump all the audio? |
| 16:23.05 | abrotman | there's a package to do that |
| 16:23.07 | mohadib | s/cd/dvd/ |
| 16:23.13 | mohadib | abrotman: know the name? |
| 16:23.18 | abrotman | nope |
| 16:23.24 | abrotman | google "record audio stream linux" |
| 16:23.27 | cahoot | mohadib: otherwise you could use ecasound to capture the sound from any sound device |
| 16:23.37 | mohadib | lol |
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| 16:23.53 | mohadib | cahoot: i was hinking about setting up jackd and jackrack to pipe the sound to audigy |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | wait .. it starts with a d |
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| 16:24.19 | abrotman | mohadib: http://linux-sound.org/players.html |
| 16:24.37 | abrotman | mohadib: scar maybe ? |
| 16:24.41 | abrotman | npoe |
| 16:24.53 | mohadib | abrotman: ty for the link |
| 16:24.59 | Bob332 | does anyone know the applets shown in this screenshot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Screenshot-6.png |
| 16:25.24 | zdennis | any ideas what room i should check out for help on my networking problem in debian since this isn't working out so well? |
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| 16:25.38 | SimonRaven | !room |
| 16:25.39 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:25.52 | aimtrainer | sry this has nothing to do with linux but I guess here are a lot of native English speakers so: I need a headline for my report on the previous lesson. "Report of the lesson of the <date>" sounds strange to me. Can anyone please give me a better possibility? |
| 16:25.55 | abrotman | Bob332: which applets where ? |
| 16:26.05 | mohadib | ty all |
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| 16:26.24 | abrotman | aimtrainer: report on <date>'s lesson ? |
| 16:26.28 | Bob332 | abrotman, the one on the right, big with all sorts of diags it seems |
| 16:26.49 | abrotman | Bob332: gdesklets if i'm not mistaken .. gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org |
| 16:26.52 | aimtrainer | abrotman thx |
| 16:26.55 | timo | aimtrainer, how about including the subject of the lesson? |
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| 16:27.31 | eye69 | How can I find out the memory size of my MGA Millennium II if X wont probe it? |
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| 16:28.19 | quitte | zdennis: what'S your problem? |
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| 16:28.38 | js_ | is kernel-image-2.6.8-2 vulnerable? |
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| 16:28.55 | abrotman | Bob332: other option is gkrellm |
| 16:29.01 | aimtrainer | timo yea ... no we did not actaully have a clear subject ;) |
| 16:29.08 | aimtrainer | but I got it now thanks |
| 16:29.43 | aimtrainer | btw can I write thx on linux chans or will everybody be pissed like when I write "u" for "you" |
| 16:30.04 | antgel | according to kingsley's "stats", dpkg (the most productive channel member) is *least* Productive(tm), only a 1/4 of abrotman's productiveness. perhaps the league table is upside down? |
| 16:30.10 | amphi | aimtrainer: better not |
| 16:30.16 | SimonRaven | no, we'll all blow a fuse if you do :P |
| 16:30.20 | aimtrainer | ok THABKS ;) |
| 16:30.26 | aimtrainer | err thanks |
| 16:30.30 | amphi | heh |
| 16:30.33 | antgel | aimtrainer: i will smite you |
| 16:30.58 | SimonRaven | antgel: kingsley is brain damaged |
| 16:31.00 | aimtrainer | hm... I f I knew what smite means I d perhaps laugh.. |
| 16:31.09 | aimtrainer | err if |
| 16:31.12 | antgel | SimonRaven: thanks for the info! |
| 16:31.12 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for noticing :) |
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| 16:31.45 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 16:32.20 | azeem | antgel: you could have written "SimonRaven: thx for the info!" instead |
| 16:32.34 | SimonRaven | !thx |
| 16:32.34 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
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| 16:32.47 | azeem | is it alright to say "kthxbye" in here? |
| 16:32.58 | azeem | !kthxbye |
| 16:32.58 | dpkg | i guess kthxbye is the pinnacle of English's advancement, shortening "All correct, Thank you, God be with you." into seven lowercase letters. Humanity is doomed. |
| 16:33.00 | antgel | abrotman: your thanks are appreciated. rest assured my finger is on the pulse of the stastical retardation |
| 16:33.06 | SimonRaven | only when counter-trolling :P |
| 16:33.14 | azeem | ah :) |
| 16:33.16 | antgel | azeem: oh no i couldn't ;) |
| 16:33.18 | abrotman | antgel: push harder :) |
| 16:34.02 | SimonRaven | weeee, 10 000 files gone :) |
| 16:34.31 | RichiH | SimonRaven: rm -rf ~/porn can be handy, eh? |
| 16:35.04 | SimonRaven | no, dpkg --remove kde_stuff |
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| 16:35.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: that is not complete: 17:24 < abrotman> mohadib: http://linux-sound.org/players.html |
| 16:35.53 | antgel | the pr0n would be at least six figures :P |
| 16:35.54 | JohnnyST | how do I make bind9 a caching name server in sarge? it currenlty (defulat settings) listens to request form 127.0.0.1 only I would like it to be able to answer request from other ip's as well. |
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| 16:36.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's missing open cubic player |
| 16:36.12 | antgel | JohnnyST: alter the config |
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| 16:36.34 | JohnnyST | antgel: That I know but how? |
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| 16:36.52 | antgel | JohnnyST: um, have you read the docs? |
| 16:36.53 | SimonRaven | with an editor |
| 16:36.55 | Epod69 | hey everyone, I have a linux samba server and I am having problems printing from a shared samba printer from my linux machine (using cups). When I go to add a cups printer through the web browser, I go to add a printer, enter the name of the printer, select samba as device, i then enter in "smb://jesse-server/HPDeskJet3740" then hit continue. I select hp then select hp deskjet series cups... |
| 16:36.56 | Epod69 | ...v1.1 (en) as the driver then hit continue. It then shows the printer has been added successfully. The printer status shows "idle, accepting jobs" and when i click on "print test page" nothing happens. It does even show it in the active jobs list. When I go to the completed jobs list it shows it shows the state as "canceled at (date)". SO, would anyone know what would be causing this... |
| 16:36.58 | Epod69 | ...problem? Thanks for the help, sorry for the long post.. |
| 16:37.02 | antgel | SimonRaven: what's an editor? |
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| 16:37.15 | cahoot | tarzeau: aqualung is there though |
| 16:37.21 | SimonRaven | antgel: someone who you submit articles to, in MSM |
| 16:37.29 | paulswm | JL0gik: Did you figure out your script? I wrote a simple one which works, no need to use awk or any of that |
| 16:37.33 | JohnnyST | antgel, yes I read but I can't find an answer.. |
| 16:37.34 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 16:37.40 | antgel | Epod69: this might be one for the samba (excellent) mailing list |
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| 16:37.43 | abrotman | HI! |
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| 16:38.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: get it added . i didn't make the list |
| 16:38.13 | antgel | abrotman: i will thank you not to breack netiquette so flgrantly |
| 16:38.29 | antgel | hmm, an a went into the wrong word |
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| 16:38.42 | antgel | no, that's a c, ah whatever |
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| 16:38.50 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 16:39.18 | abrotman | antgel: thanks for telling me i was out of line |
| 16:39.19 | KerPlunk | When will firefox 1.5 go into sid? |
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| 16:39.28 | abrotman | KerPlunk: no idea .. |
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| 16:39.32 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 16:39.34 | Epod69 | antgel, I just hate having to wait long for someone to answer back... |
| 16:39.35 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 16:39.38 | antgel | AoA: MAN CHMOD |
| 16:39.39 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7587 kB, Installed size: 21608 kB |
| 16:39.41 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7444 kB, Installed size: 21016 kB |
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| 16:39.58 | squ | !info tex |
| 16:39.58 | KerPlunk | There hasn't been any development on the 1.5 branch in three weeks. |
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| 16:40.14 | squ | !info latex |
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| 16:40.21 | azeem | KerPlunk: it got released last night, right? |
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| 16:40.27 | Konky | hmm i configured X for 1600 resolution, but it only comes as 1024 |
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| 16:40.30 | joaquin | hi |
| 16:40.33 | ViViD | is there a way to execute shell commands during bootup? |
| 16:40.47 | KerPlunk | azeem yes |
| 16:40.52 | Daveman | run a script via init? |
| 16:41.08 | ViViD | its not working via init.d |
| 16:41.12 | Epod69 | Konky, is 1600 resolution your only resolution listed in the xfree86 config file ? |
| 16:41.17 | zdennis | quitte: you still here ? (sorry wireless disconnnected) |
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| 16:41.31 | KerPlunk | ViViD: Put your script in /etc/init.d/test.sh |
| 16:41.33 | quitte | Konky: too low settings for vsync/hsync prpably |
| 16:41.40 | quitte | zdennis: yes |
| 16:41.50 | Buddha| | Is there an app similar to WordPress for maintaining an entire website? |
| 16:41.54 | azeem | KerPlunk: firefox (1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2) unstable; urgency=low |
| 16:41.55 | KerPlunk | ViViD: Then make a symbolic link... ln -s /etc/init.d/test.sh /etc/rcS.d/S70test |
| 16:42.01 | azeem | KerPlunk: check incoming, kthxbye |
| 16:42.08 | ViViD | kerplunk: i have /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| 16:42.09 | Bob332 | abrotman, thanks for pointing me to gdesklets, this is a nice site |
| 16:42.12 | zdennis | quitte: my problem is that I continously get the SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device Resource or Busy when trying to configure and use my onboard Realtek 8139 NIC |
| 16:42.17 | abrotman | Bob332: enjoy! |
| 16:42.19 | tarzeau | cahoot: aqualung? |
| 16:42.24 | SimonRaven | heheh |
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| 16:42.27 | ViViD | its started at runlevel 2 |
| 16:42.30 | Konky | hm |
| 16:42.32 | antgel | aqualung rocks |
| 16:42.33 | tarzeau | cahoot: tried schism? |
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| 16:42.35 | Konky | in xorg.conf i only got 1600 |
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| 16:42.42 | Konky | the sync ranges should be ok |
| 16:42.42 | tarzeau | antgel: tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 16:42.47 | zdennis | quitte, it is a new install on a machine, and it hasn't worked from the get go |
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| 16:42.50 | ViViD | during bootup i get the echo that its been executed and is working |
| 16:42.54 | Konky | and x/kde is displayed as 1024 |
| 16:43.03 | antgel | tarzeau: nah, i wanna migrate to ogg123 |
| 16:43.05 | quitte | zdennis: sounds like a hardware problem rather than a networking problem to me. |
| 16:43.09 | abrotman | squ: don't msg me .. ask in the channel |
| 16:43.09 | Bob332 | does anyone know where i can get the megaraid drivers....i just installed etch on my dell 1750 hoping the newer 2.6.12 kernel would recognize my disk, but it just asks to select a scsi driver, the megaraid driver dosent work |
| 16:43.12 | tarzeau | antgel: oh please try opencubicplayer |
| 16:43.19 | squ | http://debian.nsu.ru/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:43.19 | ViViD | yet after i log-in, its not on, and i always have to start it manually, either with /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, or mythbacked -d |
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| 16:43.24 | quitte | zdennis: cat /proc/interrupts. does it do irq sharing? |
| 16:43.27 | abrotman | squ: do you have broadband ? |
| 16:43.33 | abrotman | azeem: ti's not even in new yet! |
| 16:43.34 | squ | shall i download all theese 14cds to install debian? |
| 16:43.38 | abrotman | squ: do you have broadband ? |
| 16:43.40 | antgel | !tell squ about ig |
| 16:43.43 | tarzeau | cahoot, antgel: what no aqualung for debian? |
| 16:43.45 | azeem | abrotman: in new? |
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| 16:43.56 | ViViD | all 14? no way |
| 16:43.58 | systems | hi |
| 16:43.58 | abrotman | ff |
| 16:44.00 | zdennis | the NIC is registered to IRQ 1 which i know is wrong, but i dont know how-to change, and my BIOS doesn't let me set IRC for Nic (only for Parllel port and serial port) |
| 16:44.00 | azeem | abrotman: oh, rifht |
| 16:44.02 | azeem | he, right |
| 16:44.05 | antgel | tarzeau: i mean aqualung, the excellent album by jethro tull |
| 16:44.11 | ViViD | i downloaded 3, and my install only used 1 |
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| 16:44.16 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:44.23 | tarzeau | antgel: ah, not the player? http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/index.php?tab=screenshots |
| 16:44.32 | tarzeau | antgel: where's oggs on your homepage? |
| 16:44.34 | antgel | tarzeau: 'fraid not |
| 16:44.36 | quitte | zdennis: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:44.46 | tarzeau | antgel: it also plays ogg btw :) |
| 16:44.47 | antgel | tarzeau: um, there are none |
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| 16:44.54 | zdennis | um one sec...let me check |
| 16:45.19 | quitte | zdennis: uname -r |
| 16:45.35 | paulswm | antgel: I have all the Tull a;bums :) |
| 16:45.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: synfig packages available yet? |
| 16:45.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not GCC4 clean |
| 16:45.50 | paulswm | antgel: As you probably suspected :P |
| 16:46.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: antgel said he might do it .. and i did see another release from upstream |
| 16:46.02 | zdennis | yeah i have to switch monitors |
| 16:46.03 | zdennis | and keyboards |
| 16:46.04 | antgel | paulswm: i thought as much :) |
| 16:46.06 | zdennis | 1 sec... |
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| 16:46.35 | antgel | nope, somebody else is doing it |
| 16:46.52 | antgel | paulswm: i also have thick as a brick (ROCKS!) |
| 16:46.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: lots of stuf like sphere_distort.h:55: error: ‘int synfig::Layer_SphereDistort::type’ is private |
| 16:46.53 | abrotman | sphere_distort.cpp:541: error: within this context |
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| 16:47.04 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. fine! |
| 16:47.09 | zdennis | 2.4.27-2 |
| 16:47.20 | zdennis | quitte: although that seems wrong, i thought i install a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 16:47.22 | zdennis | er.. |
| 16:47.23 | zdennis | 2.6.x |
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| 16:47.55 | quitte | zdennis: install 2.6.8 then. it might help |
| 16:47.56 | zdennis | doesn't 3.1ra install come with a 2.6.x kernel install option? |
| 16:48.16 | abrotman | yes it does |
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| 16:48.32 | zdennis | crap, i screwd it up |
| 16:48.34 | zdennis | and chose 2.4 |
| 16:48.36 | zdennis | bah |
| 16:48.49 | quitte | zdennis: it does. with linux25 boot option |
| 16:48.59 | quitte | zdennis: just install the kernel and reboot |
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| 16:49.17 | jordo2323 | Hey peeps. |
| 16:49.29 | thingfish | try linux26 instead. |
| 16:49.33 | jordo2323 | Does anyone have any experience running a linux domain controller? |
| 16:49.35 | mirak | when the music's over |
| 16:49.40 | licued2 | if you're using SCO 27 should work |
| 16:49.41 | licued2 | ;) |
| 16:49.44 | zdennis | quitte: so pop in install disc, load with linux26 boot option, install kernel and reboot? |
| 16:49.44 | licued2 | linux27 that is |
| 16:50.07 | antgel | !tell jordo2323 about anyone |
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| 16:50.44 | abrotman | !samba |
| 16:50.44 | dpkg | [samba] a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 16:50.45 | quitte | zdennis: no |
| 16:51.13 | Buddha| | Is there an app similar to WordPress for maintaining an entire website? |
| 16:51.13 | quitte | zdennis: a i686? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:51.41 | zdennis | quitte i dont have network access |
| 16:51.45 | zdennis | quitte my card is screwd up |
| 16:51.52 | zdennis | the SIOCSIFFLag thing |
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| 16:52.37 | zdennis | quitte, or are you saying pull that off the cd? |
| 16:53.06 | quitte | zdennis: try apt-cdrom. |
| 16:53.10 | thingfish | zdennis: you can get the i686 kernel after install is done. |
| 16:54.10 | thingfish | zdennis: providing you have the CD or DVD set. |
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| 16:56.57 | blaamann | How do I enable console login and disable X/gdm to start ? I remember I could do that in /etc/inittab i Red Hat. |
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| 16:57.16 | Buddha| | blaamann - it works the same way in Debian |
| 16:57.21 | ircdevil | blaamann: edit ~/.xsession |
| 16:57.41 | htet | Hi I have problem installing kde from synaptic package manager, it is showing unresolvable dependencies error. I only have debian.oregonstate.edu/debian in my source.list |
| 16:57.48 | Buddha| | oh, wait a minute. I'm sorry, that's wrong. Change /etc/rc2/d/S99xdm to K99xdm |
| 16:57.57 | blaamann | Buddha|: So I can change the run level in etc/inittab ? |
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| 16:58.06 | antgel | Buddha|: you're wrong again |
| 16:58.18 | zdennis | quitte, thingfish, i have just the install cd #1. I am doing quick reinstall with linux26 boot option |
| 16:58.20 | htet | I can install gnome, xfce, enlightenment fine |
| 16:58.26 | Buddha| | meh. rc2.d, not rc2/d |
| 16:58.35 | antgel | Buddha|: try again |
| 16:58.40 | blaamann | lol |
| 16:58.43 | quitte | zdennis: why? |
| 16:58.50 | quitte | zdennis: just install that kernel |
| 16:58.52 | antgel | blaamann: aptitude purge xdm gdm |
| 16:59.10 | zdennis | quitte, yeah i know...it gave me time to resize my cvsroot partition |
| 16:59.11 | Buddha| | antgel - that's what I did, and it worked. |
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| 16:59.30 | blaamann | antgel: But If I just want to test it, is there a config file I can modify ? |
| 16:59.33 | antgel | Buddha|: it may have worked but it's not intuitive or sensible |
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| 16:59.48 | quitte | zdennis: what are you going to do if this doesnt fix your nic? |
| 16:59.57 | antgel | blaamann: yep. put exit 0 at the top of /etc/init.d/xdm (i think!) |
| 17:00.01 | Buddha| | antgel - *shrugs* oh, well |
| 17:00.05 | quitte | zdennis: better install kernel - then if it works reinstall |
| 17:00.24 | zdennis | doesn't linux26 install 2.6.x kernel? |
| 17:00.32 | antgel | Buddha|: if you don't need it, purge the package. the less faffing about, the better |
| 17:00.47 | quitte | zdennis: it does. but you dont know if it will fix your nic. |
| 17:01.00 | zdennis | quitte: i don't know but install only takes a little while |
| 17:01.12 | quitte | zdennis: and installing a kernel is easy. it is also easy to do it from cd |
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| 17:01.36 | Buddha| | antgel - I *like* faffing about, you insensitive clod! |
| 17:01.38 | htet | I think, there is a dependency conflict in the debian famous apt right now. |
| 17:01.41 | blaamann | antgel: xdm does not exist in my system |
| 17:01.49 | quitte | zdennis: just use apt-cdrom to add that stupid cd and install the kernel. |
| 17:01.50 | zdennis | quitte, installation already complete |
| 17:02.13 | quitte | zdennis: ok as it is too late i'd better stop arguing |
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| 17:02.27 | zdennis | looks like it's working with 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:02.36 | quitte | makes me think i need a faster pc |
| 17:02.41 | sandman | apt-build seems to be broken.. try to apt-build install elinks (from testing) in a sarge install |
| 17:02.44 | sandman | It poops out |
| 17:02.46 | quitte | zdennis: great. |
| 17:02.50 | zdennis | this computer is a 1.7Ghz Celeron with 128Mb of RAM |
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| 17:03.26 | quitte | zdennis: 450mhz p3 with 372M ram here |
| 17:03.31 | k31th | guys can i just install nothing on the net install then just install what i want / need from apt ? |
| 17:03.40 | abrotman | 486 DX2/66 with 36MB .. ! |
| 17:03.51 | abrotman | k31th: huh ? |
| 17:03.59 | zdennis | k31th: i believe so. the net-install by itself will just give you no package install options... |
| 17:04.09 | zdennis | if you dont install over the network |
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| 17:04.14 | abrotman | k31th: you can tell the netinst to retrieve from http sources |
| 17:04.16 | k31th | zdennis: kool ill try it |
| 17:04.21 | antgel | Buddha|: the beauty of linux it that if you want to faff, you can |
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| 17:04.37 | antgel | blaamann: you mentioned xdm. same for gdm |
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| 17:04.48 | quitte | actually all debian installs install a few packages that are not 100% needed. like inetd an mail daemon. |
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| 17:05.23 | abrotman | quitte: smtp servers are needed .. if you don't understand why .. go back to windows |
| 17:05.30 | jserrachinha | Can anyone helpme with sendmail/vacation? |
| 17:05.36 | SmerdyOffice | When I start XWindows, I get errors about the applets "Show desktop," "Window list," and "Workspace switcher" having closed unexpectedly. In a dialog for each, I pick "reload," and then they work fine. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? |
| 17:05.38 | blaamann | antgel: ok, thanks |
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| 17:06.18 | Jon` | how do you 'uninstall' an application that you installed via tarball source? |
| 17:06.28 | abrotman | make uninstall |
| 17:06.34 | antgel | jserrachinha: unlikely, unless you ask a proper question |
| 17:06.39 | azeem | ...if it is well written |
| 17:06.50 | antgel | !make abrotman |
| 17:07.02 | abrotman | i've been made! |
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| 17:07.12 | EdibleText | antgel, segfault! |
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| 17:07.21 | jserrachinha | The original message was received at Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:12 GMT |
| 17:07.22 | jserrachinha | from [xx.xx.xx.xx] |
| 17:07.22 | jserrachinha | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.22 | jserrachinha | "|/usr/lib/sm.bin/vacation.sendmail user" |
| 17:07.22 | jserrachinha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:07.27 | antgel | EdibleText: bloody compiler |
| 17:07.34 | abrotman | bloody users |
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| 17:07.52 | antgel | i think they should get a topicsmite by /msg when they do that |
| 17:07.53 | quitte | Jon`: you dont install things like that. but as you already did you have to rm carefully. maybe you're lucky and installed to usr/local. everything there can be removed and you'll still have a working debian system |
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| 17:08.05 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:08.06 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:08.17 | jserrachinha | sorry for the long message |
| 17:08.23 | abrotman | antgel: ask dondelelcaro to do it |
| 17:08.33 | zdennis | quitte, thingfish , all is working now. THanks for your time and your help! |
| 17:08.41 | thingfish | zdennis: yay! |
| 17:08.44 | Jon` | i only installed mysql, and i installed it into a folder i created, /css/mysql/mysql5 |
| 17:08.57 | quitte | zdennis: no problem |
| 17:09.09 | quitte | Jon`: then just delete it |
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| 17:09.13 | k31th | nice 210mb install :D |
| 17:09.19 | antgel | dondelelcaro: ping |
| 17:09.23 | SmerdyOffice | Jon`, why didn't you use a Debian package? |
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| 17:09.34 | Jon` | i'm on sarge, so no mysql5 |
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| 17:09.57 | Jon` | and it let me delete everything inside the mysql5, folder, but i cant delete the folder itself |
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| 17:10.41 | Jon` | nevermind |
| 17:10.47 | Marc1 | ehllo |
| 17:10.49 | Marc1 | hello |
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| 17:11.10 | antgel | Marc1: HI! |
| 17:11.10 | abrotman | !backport |
| 17:11.10 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 17:11.17 | Silent_al | dpkg,greets Marc1 |
| 17:11.27 | Silent_al | =\ |
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| 17:11.46 | Marc1 | anyone works with logs analyzer for squid (sarg) |
| 17:12.10 | SimonRaven | EHLO |
| 17:12.12 | exalted | What is missing on my system that i cannot use dpkg-scanpackages command? |
| 17:12.50 | antgel | !tell exalted about apt-file |
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| 17:13.03 | antgel | SimonRaven: i nearly answered "clue" |
| 17:13.20 | exalted | antgel, is that it? |
| 17:13.21 | extremo | !help |
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| 17:13.24 | exalted | apt-file? |
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| 17:13.42 | Marc1 | help me!!! |
| 17:13.46 | Marc1 | please |
| 17:13.51 | antgel | !tell Marc1 about ask |
| 17:13.53 | antgel | !tell Marc1 about repeat |
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| 17:14.02 | antgel | bot-fest |
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| 17:14.10 | SimonRaven | antgel: i nearly replied, "a competent admin?" |
| 17:14.32 | antgel | SimonRaven: LOL ROFL |
| 17:14.36 | Marc1 | i have a problem with logs analyzer for squid its sarg |
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| 17:14.59 | stew | Marc1: tell us the specific problem you are having |
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| 17:15.32 | kayceew | heyyy uuu |
| 17:15.36 | SimonRaven | exalted: it's a package |
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| 17:15.43 | azeem | kayceew: hi |
| 17:15.45 | monicam | sexy |
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| 17:15.49 | SimonRaven | antgel: seems it applies... *shudder* |
| 17:15.50 | kayceew | u no it |
| 17:15.53 | alexisc | hey |
| 17:15.54 | exalted | SimonRaven, apt-file? |
| 17:15.56 | alexisc | haa |
| 17:15.58 | SimonRaven | it no u |
| 17:15.59 | brandonw_ | gfuck u |
| 17:16.00 | kayceew | alexissssss |
| 17:16.05 | kayceew | monocee |
| 17:16.05 | alexisc | kayceee |
| 17:16.09 | Ronin | ack here we gon again |
| 17:16.10 | antgel | yes! troll fest! |
| 17:16.11 | Marc1 | times it works and other no |
| 17:16.11 | monicam | sex |
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| 17:16.17 | alexisc | brandon watch ur words you idiot:) |
| 17:16.17 | tannera | hi |
| 17:16.18 | azeem | !ops kayceew alexisc monicam troll from the same IP |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: kayceew alexisc monicam troll from the same IP |
| 17:16.21 | brandonw_ | perry has a vagina |
| 17:16.28 | norskfjord | hi, how do I fix this error |
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| 17:16.29 | alexisc | tannera eh thatspretty hot |
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| 17:16.36 | kayceew | very hottt |
| 17:16.37 | kayceew | lol |
| 17:16.40 | alexisc | lmao wowthats interesting |
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| 17:16.42 | monicam | yeah |
| 17:16.42 | Marc1 | I don't know whats happen |
| 17:16.46 | Perryp | TANNER WHAT IS THAT ON MY LEG!! |
| 17:16.46 | yvamarar | OK |
| 17:16.47 | monicam | i v seen perrys........ |
| 17:16.47 | tannera | oooooo you like thios bod.... but u camt have |
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| 17:16.48 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@208.181.176.150.lgisp.net] by LoRez |
| 17:16.50 | oskie_ | how do you list the ports that a certain process is listening on? |
| 17:16.50 | Ronin | alexisc: whats the point onf doing this? |
| 17:16.53 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:16.59 | SimonRaven | talk about a buncha lamers... |
| 17:17.04 | Ronin | yes i know dont feed the trolls :) |
| 17:17.07 | norskfjord | Error loading '/home/jsz/biblebot/weatherbot.pl': |
| 17:17.07 | norskfjord | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.15 | azeem | LoRez: thanks! |
| 17:17.16 | antgel | LoRez: thanks |
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| 17:17.19 | fwtest | can i compress a file with zip and splitting itu to several files? |
| 17:17.20 | LoRez | np |
| 17:17.23 | stew | norskfjord: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:17.30 | SimonRaven | ~!installit |
| 17:17.31 | norskfjord | for? |
| 17:17.33 | LoRez | fwtest: man zip |
| 17:17.50 | fwtest | LoRez, i read that, but didnt find anything regarding to that |
| 17:17.51 | stew | norskfjord: use apt-file to search for Weather.pm |
| 17:17.54 | SimonRaven | er |
| 17:18.00 | SimonRaven | !installit |
| 17:18.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 17:18.04 | LoRez | fwtest: the "zipsplit" part didn't regard it? |
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| 17:18.55 | fwtest | LoRez, but there is no man for zipsplit |
| 17:19.18 | norskfjord | is no apt-file |
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| 17:19.33 | LoRez | fwtest: there is here. worst case, zip the file then use 'split' on it. to put them back together you cat them together before unzipping. |
| 17:19.36 | stew | norskfjord: huh? |
| 17:19.52 | Rawplayer | FA |
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| 17:19.57 | stew | norskfjord: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:20.20 | fwtest | LoRez, hmm, i dont have that part here |
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| 17:21.20 | LoRez | it's in zip version 2.31-1 |
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| 17:21.47 | stew | fwtest: and 2.31-1 is in stable. what version of debian do you run? |
| 17:21.57 | ViolencE | my name is stew =p |
| 17:21.59 | fwtest | stew, i am using also 2.31 |
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| 17:22.05 | fwtest | i run suse |
| 17:22.08 | stew | ViolencE: my name is actually mike :) |
| 17:22.14 | stew | fwtest: then man zipsplit |
| 17:22.20 | LoRez | fwtest: then wtf are you asking in #debian? |
| 17:22.21 | ViolencE | :) |
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| 17:23.12 | stew | ugh |
| 17:23.18 | stew | fwtest: /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:23.53 | LostNoobs | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 17:23.53 | LostNoobs | Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb' |
| 17:23.53 | LostNoobs | waiting for X server to shut down |
| 17:23.53 | LostNoobs | serveur:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11# |
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| 17:24.02 | stew | !tell LostNoobs about flood |
| 17:24.06 | LostNoobs | sorry |
| 17:24.35 | kukAW | http://picasa.hu/1133365646-pic04031.jpg :) |
| 17:24.48 | LostNoobs | http://pastebin.ca/31844 |
| 17:24.51 | stew | LostNoobs: what version of debian? |
| 17:24.52 | LostNoobs | please help me |
| 17:24.54 | SimonRaven | don't be sorry, don't do it |
| 17:24.55 | LostNoobs | 3.0 |
| 17:25.03 | LostNoobs | no |
| 17:25.05 | LostNoobs | 3.1 |
| 17:25.06 | stew | LostNoobs: xorg on woody is not supported |
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| 17:25.22 | LostNoobs | testing/unstable |
| 17:25.27 | LostNoobs | is woody ? |
| 17:25.34 | azeem | LostNoobs: testing is not 3.1 |
| 17:25.35 | stew | LostNoobs: xorg on sarge is not really supported. what does "dpkg -l x11-common | tail -f" say? |
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| 17:25.41 | stew | err |
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| 17:25.52 | SimonRaven | tail -f ? :) |
| 17:25.55 | stew | LostNoobs: no "dpkg -l x11-common | tail -1" |
| 17:25.58 | stew | yeah |
| 17:25.58 | LostNoobs | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:25.58 | LostNoobs | testing/unstable |
| 17:25.59 | Lars^^ | WHats the command to take a screenshot from the commandline |
| 17:26.00 | Lars^^ | forgot. |
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| 17:26.04 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 17:26.10 | SimonRaven | -n 1 |
| 17:26.11 | LostNoobs | dpkg -l x11-common | tail -1 |
| 17:26.11 | LostNoobs | ii x11-common 6.8.2.dfsg.1-10 X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure |
| 17:26.11 | dpkg | tail -1 2.9-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:26.34 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 17:26.43 | azeem | that dpkg behaviour is irritating |
| 17:26.48 | xored | _someone has experience with configring the munin plugins, esp. the ip_ plugin ' |
| 17:26.59 | LostNoobs | what I suppose to do stew ? |
| 17:27.21 | Lars^^ | How to take a screenshot from the commandline i forgot the cmd |
| 17:27.52 | streuner_ | !tell Lars^^ about ss |
| 17:28.39 | Exit83 | Hi all, I made a mistake on my debian system and somewhere along the way I changed my language or something like that. basically, my clock uses Cyrillic signs (I think) and GUI programs give me feedback in these Cyrillic symbols also. How do i set it back to normal? |
| 17:29.24 | azeem | Exit83: you should be able to select the language when logging in, I believe |
| 17:29.33 | azeem | at least when using gdm |
| 17:29.36 | Exit83 | hmm |
| 17:29.44 | SimonRaven | and what's "normal" for one p4erson isn't for another. what does "normal" mean? |
| 17:29.48 | SimonRaven | s/4// |
| 17:29.53 | Exit83 | thats why i couldnt find it in the Gnome itself; il ltry it |
| 17:29.55 | Jon` | which version of debian has mysql5 available as a .deb package? |
| 17:30.05 | antgel | !tell Jon` about pdo |
| 17:30.08 | azeem | SimonRaven: no cyrillic glyphs, I suppose |
| 17:30.12 | samuel | what is a good chatroom to ask if i have network problems, specifically cannot access a website that seems to be up and running fine |
| 17:30.18 | Exit83 | normal, is like the letters you see on your screen now |
| 17:30.23 | blondie | !room |
| 17:30.23 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:30.27 | Exit83 | not normal is everything different :d |
| 17:30.35 | blondie | samuel: dunno, won't find many chatrooms on irc |
| 17:30.37 | antgel | samuel: if you're using debian, this *channel* may be able to help |
| 17:30.41 | stew | hmm, my xorg.conf has /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb as the rgb path, and my xorg log "RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"" but for me its not an error and that directory doesn't exist on my machine either |
| 17:30.53 | stew | LostNoobs: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:31.00 | stew | LostNoobs: maybe someone else is having the same issue |
| 17:31.10 | LostNoobs | k |
| 17:31.26 | SimonRaven | Exit83: what if i saw characters in cree syllabics on my screen? you assume much, grasshopper |
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| 17:31.45 | azeem | aww |
| 17:32.00 | LostNoobs | stew you can't help me ? |
| 17:32.02 | SimonRaven | i'm not, but it's to illustrate the point |
| 17:32.06 | Exit83 | yeah, i know, but im good at guessing ;) |
| 17:32.20 | Exit83 | azeem thank you for the help |
| 17:32.24 | stew | LostNoobs: have you checked the bts? |
| 17:32.27 | LostNoobs | http://pastebin.ca/31844 <- I have a problem with X server |
| 17:32.29 | Exit83 | i cant believe i never thought of that :s |
| 17:32.30 | LostNoobs | no |
| 17:32.34 | stew | LostNoobs: why not? |
| 17:32.41 | LostNoobs | ok i do |
| 17:32.44 | LostNoobs | I be back |
| 17:32.45 | LostNoobs | :) |
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| 17:33.52 | Exit83 | bye bye ppl, thanks for the fast help |
| 17:33.58 | samuel | okok, here is the deal: www.mathiesonelco.com I can see perfectly fine from my browser, HOWEVER running a traceroute to the site I get the following? Why is this so? http://pastebin.com/443752 |
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| 17:34.17 | LostNoobs | stew there no bts for my problem |
| 17:34.22 | blondie | samuel: a firewall is blocking pings |
| 17:34.25 | LostNoobs | :\ |
| 17:34.34 | LostNoobs | http://pastebin.ca/31844 <- I have a problem with X server someone can help me ? |
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| 17:34.53 | samuel | blondie, i see, thanks! is there any way to ping on port 80 perhaps? |
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| 17:35.07 | antgel | samuel: please learn about IP |
| 17:35.08 | Fox_1_ | postfix send errors/notics to user postfix(in default), but postfix user hasn't password. how can i check mail for postfix iser? |
| 17:35.09 | blondie | erm no |
| 17:35.11 | Fox_1_ | iser=user |
| 17:35.13 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 17:35.39 | blondie | su to it? |
| 17:35.41 | antgel | Fox_1_: redirect it to a mailbox that you check |
| 17:35.48 | blondie | or set it to forward elsewere |
| 17:35.50 | LostNoobs | Where I can go for have help about serverX on debian ? |
| 17:35.53 | stew | LostNoobs: #337221 |
| 17:36.00 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 17:36.08 | stew | LostNoobs: the bottom of that one has the solution |
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| 17:36.20 | LostNoobs | ok |
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| 17:36.29 | SimonRaven | samuel: ping doesn't use tcp |
| 17:36.43 | ircdevil | trying to umount drive, but it sais its busy - how do i find out why? |
| 17:36.51 | sandman | I thought apt-build was supposed to contain functionality to control the features compiled into the package |
| 17:36.52 | blondie | try umount -l |
| 17:36.54 | stew | ircdevil: fuser and lsof |
| 17:37.07 | samuel | SimonRaven, any page i should read up with this stuff? |
| 17:37.14 | Greatred | samuel, you could always try nmap -p 80 hostname |
| 17:37.16 | SimonRaven | man ping |
| 17:37.17 | bizkit | does vfat32 (made with mkfs.vfat -F32) support files bigger than 2G? |
| 17:37.34 | antgel | samuel: any decent reference on IP networking |
| 17:37.35 | ircdevil | dhclient? |
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| 17:37.37 | Greatred | samuel, although that won't give you ping time |
| 17:37.39 | blondie | well, fat32 supports up to 4GB |
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| 17:37.50 | sandman | blondie: I thought it supported more than that |
| 17:37.56 | bizkit | blondie: and fat16 only 2G, right? |
| 17:38.09 | blondie | I mean individual files, not filesystem sizes |
| 17:38.09 | samuel | Greatred, thanks |
| 17:38.11 | bizkit | 4G is not really much :/ |
| 17:38.11 | Greatred | probably < 512Mb |
| 17:38.12 | samuel | antgel, thansk |
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| 17:38.24 | blondie | bizkit: 2GB is the max FS size for FAT16 |
| 17:38.28 | sandman | fat16 == 2G, yes. |
| 17:38.34 | blondie | bizkit: what have you got that's > 4GB? |
| 17:38.39 | ircdevil | what is this? dhclient 3722 root cwd DIR 8,49 0 25624577 /life/embl (deleted) |
| 17:38.42 | bizkit | blondie: dvd images |
| 17:38.52 | blondie | dhclient is a DHCP client |
| 17:38.59 | ViViD | anyone know where i can learn about setting up log-in scripts? |
| 17:39.05 | EdibleText | bizkit, from windows? |
| 17:39.10 | blondie | bizkit: use a different FS? |
| 17:39.17 | bizkit | EdibleText: no, but for windows |
| 17:39.24 | stew | ircdevil: you were in /lib/embl when you started dhclient so it has a reference to that filesysatem since its the PWD for that process |
| 17:39.26 | Greatred | hmm tricky :) |
| 17:39.27 | EdibleText | bizkit, there is ext2 support for windows |
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| 17:39.30 | blondie | if it's just for windows, use NTFS |
| 17:39.39 | bizkit | blondie: without write support? |
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| 17:39.44 | blondie | yes without it c.c |
| 17:39.47 | Greatred | writing to ntfs from linux could be annoying if that's needed |
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| 17:40.08 | bizkit | its impossible in a stable state if not overwriting any files with the absolutely same size |
| 17:40.09 | Greatred | just use explorer2fs or the ext2 driver for windows |
| 17:40.11 | blondie | the only really close platform FS is FAT32 :\ |
| 17:40.25 | systems | how to know if iptables is running, i am reading this book that suggest that fedora have a command that goes like" server iptables status. does debian have something similar |
| 17:40.34 | stew | Greatred: i have a friend that lost tons of data trying to use explorer2fs |
| 17:40.34 | bizkit | 4G for Fat32? i have to ask again.. but thats just funny :/ |
| 17:40.46 | blondie | bizkit: not really |
| 17:40.52 | blondie | 4GB is quite big for one file |
| 17:40.53 | Greatred | stew, did he try to write to his linux drive? |
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| 17:40.58 | stew | Greatred: no |
| 17:41.05 | blondie | and FAT32 is 7 years old |
| 17:41.11 | Greatred | yikes - never realised it was that risky :| |
| 17:41.21 | stew | Greatred: tried to look at pictures from windows and it set each of the file lengths of the .jpgs to 0 |
| 17:41.24 | blondie | and not designed for anything "high end" - MS made NTFS for that |
| 17:41.29 | Greatred | good thing i no longer have windows :D |
| 17:41.39 | antgel | Greatred: how risky? that's one bad report |
| 17:41.51 | blondie | :o |
| 17:41.52 | bizkit | i would love a stable write support for ntfs, would give me many time.. |
| 17:42.01 | Greatred | true, but the precedent exists it sounds like |
| 17:42.02 | stew | this was 1.5 years ago, things might have imporoved, but, it would be a long time before i trusted it |
| 17:42.03 | antgel | bizkit: write it! |
| 17:42.08 | stew | (or used windwos for that matter ;) ) |
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| 17:42.31 | antgel | stew: just as valid is my experience using it to rescue ~40G of data for somebody |
| 17:42.34 | Fox_1_ | antgel for that i must change mail_owner or somthing else? |
| 17:42.46 | SimonRaven | last time i used windoze was to run updates for it. win98 lappy |
| 17:42.53 | Greatred | of course... there is the way of running an ntfs driver (an actual windows driver file) under linux. although i'm too scared to play with it ;) |
| 17:43.02 | slushpupie | does anyone here have any experience with the lam4 packaged with Debian? |
| 17:43.03 | blondie | SimonRaven: it's windows, not windoze |
| 17:43.03 | bizkit | antgel: well, i think there are persons with more knowledge than i have into this, any when they say it's not possible.. |
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| 17:43.34 | SimonRaven | i know how to spell. that was intentional |
| 17:43.42 | bizkit | Greatred: i tried that.. it is not really stable |
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| 17:43.48 | stew | LostNoobs: don't /msg me |
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| 17:43.49 | antgel | bizkit: i didn't know it wasn't possible |
| 17:43.49 | blondie | I didn't say it wasn't :) |
| 17:43.52 | Greatred | yes it sounded a bit funky in principle :) |
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| 17:44.00 | LostNoobs | :'( |
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| 17:44.05 | antgel | SimonRaven: it's spill, not spell |
| 17:44.11 | stew | LostNoobs: did you read the bottom of that bug? |
| 17:44.18 | SimonRaven | blondie: ok :) |
| 17:44.18 | LostNoobs | yes |
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| 17:44.26 | SimonRaven | antgel: spill my guts |
| 17:44.29 | xored | What could that be : RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 17:44.29 | xored | Dump terminated |
| 17:44.30 | bizkit | antgel: don't know exactly, but i think the problem is microsoft doesn't give out enough informations about their filesystem |
| 17:44.37 | LostNoobs | severity 337221 normal |
| 17:44.37 | LostNoobs | thanks |
| 17:44.40 | deeps | I've installed Debian Sarge from a net-install cd, I believe it's installed kernel 2.4.27-2 by default, however, I'm unable to get the computer to actually boot from the HD. Is it possible to use a CD and issue a command at the boot: prompt to trigger booting off the HD? |
| 17:44.42 | LostNoobs | at the buttom |
| 17:44.43 | LostNoobs | :) |
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| 17:44.57 | SimonRaven | bizkit: um, it's closed source. 'nough said |
| 17:44.57 | stew | oh you have "ri"? that means that you have requested removal but it hasn't been removed yet? |
| 17:45.05 | antgel | bizkit: that goes for many things that have linux drivers |
| 17:45.28 | LostNoobs | yes stew |
| 17:45.29 | bizkit | i fucking hate them. |
| 17:45.37 | stew | LostNoobs: try: "apt-get dselect-upgrade" which should actually do the removal |
| 17:45.39 | LostNoobs | how can I remove corectly and reinstall ? |
| 17:45.45 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 17:46.05 | LostNoobs | no stew |
| 17:46.11 | LostNoobs | I have errors dependance |
| 17:46.20 | thingfish | deeps: there was a linux26 option that might've helped. |
| 17:46.24 | EdibleText | MS technically hobbles their stuff for marketing leverage against their many products |
| 17:46.35 | stew | LostNoobs: dpkg -r --force-depends pkgname ; then do the reinstall with confmiss |
| 17:46.35 | LostNoobs | libfontconfig1: Dépend: fontconfig, libpango1.0-0: Dépend: libpango1.0-common, libqt3-mt: Dépend: fontconfig |
| 17:46.40 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 17:46.55 | LostNoobs | erro |
| 17:47.00 | LostNoobs | pkgname was not install |
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| 17:47.16 | stew | LostNoobs: install it with confmiss |
| 17:47.19 | deeps | thingfish: linux26? google's not being overly helpful :/ |
| 17:47.30 | LostNoobs | what is confmiss ? |
| 17:47.57 | stew | !confmiss |
| 17:47.58 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:48.21 | LostNoobs | oki |
| 17:48.42 | bizkit | One can setup a loopback device on an NTFS file. TopologiLinux and others use this feature to run Linux from a Windows NTFS partition with full read-write support. <- this sounds real interessant. if they can start a whole linux distri from an ntfs drive, r/w has to be stable. i will try it this way |
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| 17:49.07 | LostNoobs | dpkg : x11-common : avertissement - le fichier de configuration « etc/X11/rgb.txt » est |
| 17:49.07 | LostNoobs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.33 | LostNoobs | Le fichier de configuration « /etc/X11/Xsession.options » n'existe pas sur le système. |
| 17:49.37 | ViViD | anyone know how to set up login scripts? |
| 17:49.42 | LostNoobs | was not on the system |
| 17:49.49 | LostNoobs | /etc/X11/Xsession.options was not on the system |
| 17:50.06 | LostNoobs | /etc/X11/rgb.txt is a circulair link |
| 17:50.16 | LostNoobs | when i run apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install x11-common |
| 17:50.27 | LostNoobs | stew ? |
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| 17:52.19 | stew | LostNoobs: if you /etc/X11/rgb.txt is a circular link, remove it and resinatll with confmiss again |
| 17:52.20 | xored | can ANYbody can help me bringing munin to show me the traffic ? |
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| 17:52.37 | xored | iam really f**** confused after h |
| 17:52.39 | LostNoobs | oki |
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| 17:54.04 | LostNoobs | /etc/X11/rgb.txt was not in the system |
| 17:54.06 | sniperjo | hi guys, I know this is a real newb question but I have been using apt-get but hw do I download a tar file |
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| 17:54.17 | LostNoobs | stew wi are circular too |
| 17:54.18 | LostNoobs | :) |
| 17:54.21 | LostNoobs | *we |
| 17:54.24 | azeem | sniperjo: wget |
| 17:54.32 | sniperjo | thanks :P |
| 17:54.32 | azeem | sniperjo: what kind of tar file do you need? |
| 17:54.45 | LostNoobs | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install x11-common -> error message = /etc/X11/rgb.txt was not in the system |
| 17:54.55 | Fox_1_ | does postfix store the information about all received mails? |
| 17:54.58 | sniperjo | its for hp drivers and stuff for CUPS |
| 17:55.18 | stew | LostNoobs: i don't think that's an error, that it telling you that its replacing a missing file |
| 17:55.18 | LostNoobs | so how can i put this f**k file |
| 17:55.30 | stew | what's a f**k file? |
| 17:55.34 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 17:55.36 | LostNoobs | :) |
| 17:55.38 | abrotman | stew: porn ? :) |
| 17:55.39 | LostNoobs | so |
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| 17:55.43 | LostNoobs | i run startx |
| 17:55.45 | LostNoobs | moment |
| 17:56.07 | quitte | !tell LostNoobs about enter |
| 17:56.07 | LostNoobs | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 17:56.13 | LostNoobs | waiting for X server to shut down |
| 17:56.17 | stew | LostNoobs: stop pasting in here |
| 17:56.24 | LostNoobs | just 2 lines |
| 17:56.45 | LostNoobs | X server shuy down without error |
| 17:56.47 | stew | LostNoobs: still, we don't really need to know that your x server is using the default location for the config file |
| 17:56.48 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 17:56.53 | stew | LostNoobs: check the log |
| 17:56.57 | LostNoobs | ok |
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| 17:57.45 | Jon` | is it safe to use the testing distribution for a server machine? |
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| 17:58.03 | azeem | Fox_1_: did you look around in /var/log? |
| 17:58.03 | deeps | I've installed Debian Sarge from a net-install cd, I believe it's installed kernel 2.4.27-2 by default, however, I'm unable to get the computer to actually boot from the HD. Is it possible to use a CD and issue a command at the boot: prompt to trigger booting off the HD? |
| 17:58.14 | azeem | Jon`: why do you think you need testing for a server? |
| 17:58.18 | nvz | Jon`: its safe will not expload killing staff, I cant gaurentee it will be fit for any specific purpose |
| 17:58.24 | deeps | the issue's with the bios not trying to boot off the HD, rather than a problem with the install |
| 17:58.27 | Jon` | er I just see that mysql server 5 is available as a .deb on that |
| 17:58.31 | nvz | of course thats right in the lisc |
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| 17:58.44 | jack-black | when doing a netinstall will using the efs2progs work when using the ext3 filesystem? |
| 17:58.46 | azeem | Jon`: you might want to keep an eye on backports.org, then |
| 17:58.49 | stew | Jon`: have youtried backporting the etch or sid packages? |
| 17:59.22 | Jon` | would that allow me to run a .deb for mysql-server5 on sarge? |
| 17:59.32 | nvz | thats the idea. |
| 17:59.41 | Fox_1_ | azeem yes, but there i didn't found postfix's file |
| 17:59.41 | stew | Jon`: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:59.57 | nvz | deeps: take the cd out :P |
| 18:00.00 | nvz | deeps: silly |
| 18:00.00 | azeem | Fox_1_: so check the documentation |
| 18:00.03 | deeps | nvz: no cd in the drive |
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| 18:00.18 | deeps | the bios *wont let me* boot from a HD, hense me trying to trigger it off a CD. |
| 18:00.24 | nvz | deeps: oh.. I thought when you asked about the boot: prompt you still had the cd in :P |
| 18:00.39 | deeps | if i remove the CD, it attempts a floppy boot, followed by a net boot |
| 18:00.56 | nvz | deeps: your bios doesnt support booting off its HD? or the HD is not recognized in the BIOS? |
| 18:01.02 | deeps | the HD is recognised |
| 18:01.02 | jack-black | deeps ... does your bios see your hd? |
| 18:01.10 | deeps | it wont let me put it in the boot order |
| 18:01.28 | LostNoobs | stew what I supose to search on log file ? |
| 18:01.29 | bizkit | deeps: is your /boot partition bootable? (bootable flag?) |
| 18:01.35 | stew | LostNoobs: lines starting with EE |
| 18:01.39 | jack-black | have you tried loading the optimized or failsafe settings? |
| 18:01.41 | nvz | deeps: it wont let you put Hard Drive, Fixed Disk, C: or Primary Master..etc into the boot order? |
| 18:01.47 | jack-black | i would try that first |
| 18:01.47 | LostNoobs | oki |
| 18:01.55 | Fox_1_ | azeem do you know how tell postfix that it send postmaster mails to an other user? |
| 18:01.57 | nvz | bizkit: thats irrelevant to his BIOS :P |
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| 18:02.05 | Kluster_v2 | deeps, check the jumpers settings on your hd just in case |
| 18:02.05 | deeps | bizkit: sod knows, all ive done is install from a sarge cd, and after the first reboot, it refused to even attempt booting off the HD |
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| 18:02.20 | deeps | jack-black: no can do, it's not reaching grub, because grub's on the HD |
| 18:02.26 | LostNoobs | stew they're no line starting EE |
| 18:02.29 | LostNoobs | :\ |
| 18:02.31 | deeps | Kluster_v2: already checked, twice, set to master, was installed to /dev/hda as well |
| 18:02.42 | bizkit | deeps: do you have a real old bios? try using a 10mb partiton for /boot on the beginning of your disc |
| 18:02.51 | nvz | ffs people will you shut up :P |
| 18:02.51 | jack-black | deeps... enter into bios and change the bios to either OPTIMIZED OR FAILSAFE |
| 18:02.54 | jack-black | that should do it |
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| 18:03.00 | nvz | he said THE HD ISNT AN OPTION IN THE BIOS BOOT ORDER |
| 18:03.03 | azeem | Fox_1_: no, I don't use postfix |
| 18:03.03 | deeps | jack-black: no such option |
| 18:03.05 | nvz | we need to narrow this down |
| 18:03.11 | jack-black | deeps it has nothing to do with grup |
| 18:03.11 | EdibleText | deeps, the hd controller 3rd party or onboard |
| 18:03.12 | jack-black | grub |
| 18:03.17 | deeps | onboard |
| 18:03.19 | nvz | if this is true NOTHING software related will do anything |
| 18:03.22 | Fox_1_ | azeem ok thanks |
| 18:03.22 | jack-black | what bios are you using? |
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| 18:03.38 | Jon` | i've tried mysql-server-5.0, mysql-server5, and mysql-server-5, and i keep getting couldn't stat source package list |
| 18:03.39 | Kluster_v2 | deeps, could there be a cdrom with the same jumper settings on the end of your cable? |
| 18:03.46 | Kluster_v2 | or another hd |
| 18:03.47 | deeps | nope |
| 18:03.51 | deeps | diferent cables |
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| 18:03.53 | deeps | checking bios revisoin now |
| 18:03.55 | stew | Jon`: did you add a deb-src line for unstable? |
| 18:03.56 | EdibleText | seems a littel shortsighted not to include the hardrive in the boot sequence |
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| 18:04.07 | bizkit | Kluster_v2: if this would be the case, the HD wouldn't get detected as primary master .. which he says, it does |
| 18:04.08 | LostNoobs | stew I have (WW) if you want |
| 18:04.19 | stew | LostNoobs: check .xsession-errors in your ~ |
| 18:04.22 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 18:04.22 | Jon` | i merely followed the instructinos on backports.org |
| 18:04.23 | F-Lelo | What packages do I need to download if I'm going to boot a 2.6 kernel? i want to know that one specific about the modules |
| 18:04.28 | paulswm | EdibleText: heh, that is a funny remark to walk in on :) |
| 18:04.32 | Jon` | i didn't see one for unstable, only stable |
| 18:04.35 | Jon` | but ill that in now |
| 18:04.39 | Jon` | add* |
| 18:04.41 | deeps | ok, im not seeing any kind of information along those lines, all im getting out of it is "compaq deskpro EN series SFF" |
| 18:05.07 | Jon` | same error |
| 18:05.11 | stew | Jon`: apt-get update |
| 18:05.19 | jack-black | deeps... can you enter into the bios for us... then we can look at your options |
| 18:05.24 | deeps | im in the bios now |
| 18:05.31 | LostNoobs | stew nothing on ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:05.32 | EdibleText | compaq that explains a lttle |
| 18:05.35 | Kluster_v2 | lmao |
| 18:05.37 | jack-black | deeps what options do you have? |
| 18:05.42 | Jon` | same thing |
| 18:05.45 | deeps | very few |
| 18:05.48 | Jon` | couldn't stat source package |
| 18:06.07 | F-Lelo | What packages do I need to download if I'm going to boot a 2.6 kernel? I want to know that one specific about the kernel-modules to be able to load them |
| 18:06.09 | bizkit | deeps: as nvz said just load the failsave / fallback / default bios settings, save and exit |
| 18:06.14 | stew | LostNoobs: try adding a fresh user to your system and starting x as that user, or see if a dm will start |
| 18:06.20 | jack-black | deeps, ok like what options? |
| 18:06.23 | LostNoobs | oki |
| 18:06.24 | stew | LostNoobs: you may just wanna purge xorg and start fresh |
| 18:06.32 | stew | Jon`: what command did you type? |
| 18:06.51 | deeps | set time/date, save settings, then categories: storage, security, power, "advanced" (post, oinboard devices, pci devices, bus options, device options) |
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| 18:07.05 | stew | F-Lelo: module-init-tools? |
| 18:07.10 | jack-black | deeps go to advanced |
| 18:07.10 | LostNoobs | <stew> LostNoobs: you may just wanna purge xorg and start fresh |
| 18:07.10 | Jon` | in the file? |
| 18:07.14 | LostNoobs | what you mean ? |
| 18:07.20 | jack-black | now what do you have? |
| 18:07.21 | deeps | nothing in there of any relevance to the IDE channels |
| 18:07.27 | F-Lelo | stew: thanks, I think that is it |
| 18:07.35 | jack-black | deeps what do you have in there? |
| 18:07.36 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 18:07.36 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 18:07.41 | valdyn | LostNoobs: ^^^ |
| 18:07.43 | deeps | nothing in there of any relevance to the IDE channels |
| 18:07.44 | muerd | hi anybody knows scratchamp for linux |
| 18:07.49 | muerd | help |
| 18:07.49 | stew | LostNoobs: you might want to purge the xorg packages and install them again to make sure you get up to date conf files in /etc/X11 for all the xorg packages |
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| 18:07.55 | muerd | any proyect |
| 18:08.02 | deeps | post options, oinboard devices, pci devices, bus options, device options |
| 18:08.03 | Jon` | as for the file |
| 18:08.09 | LostNoobs | oki |
| 18:08.11 | Jon` | deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:08.16 | LostNoobs | on a root ? |
| 18:08.16 | deeps | having looked in each of them, theres nothing that indicates any relevance |
| 18:08.17 | Jon` | next line for deb-src |
| 18:08.20 | LostNoobs | or single user ? |
| 18:08.22 | muerd | im looking for finalscratch linux |
| 18:08.24 | LostNoobs | ron |
| 18:08.24 | Jon` | line after that is deb-src with unstable instead of stable |
| 18:08.27 | LostNoobs | root |
| 18:08.27 | azeem | Jon`: what do you need deb-src for? |
| 18:08.30 | stew | Jon`: backports has a 6.0 package for sarge? |
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| 18:08.51 | _edward_ | muerd google? |
| 18:08.51 | stew | azeem: he was going to attempt a backport of the etch package |
| 18:08.54 | jack-black | hold on deeps |
| 18:08.56 | stew | azeem: err sid / whatever |
| 18:09.08 | EdibleText | deeps, my experiance with the compaq desk models has been that when a change in hw configuration is detected the bios will prompt on boot to confirm the new changes, like keyboards boot order and stuff. does that happen |
| 18:09.09 | Jon` | i need to get a .deb of mysql5 |
| 18:09.19 | deeps | happend yesterday, 40 boots ago |
| 18:09.20 | stew | Jon`: did you find one on backports.org? |
| 18:09.20 | azeem | stew: from backports? |
| 18:09.21 | muerd | that was mi first step |
| 18:09.23 | deeps | i approved the changes then |
| 18:09.23 | azeem | http://www.backports.org/pending/mysql-dfsg-5.0/ |
| 18:09.29 | abrotman | !tell Jon` about backport |
| 18:09.34 | abrotman | like i did an hour ago |
| 18:09.39 | azeem | stew: oh, nm |
| 18:09.59 | stew | azeem: i dunno. if backports.org has one he should be using it. I thought there wasn't one and I was trying to help him attempt a backport from sid |
| 18:10.16 | EdibleText | deeps, perhaps force it to let you confirm those settings again |
| 18:10.20 | azeem | stew: well ok, but if backports has the package in deb-src, he could just install it |
| 18:10.22 | _edward_ | muerd google, freshmeat, sf.net, apt-cache search ... tried all those? |
| 18:10.32 | deeps | why? it detects the disk in the ide disks display |
| 18:10.59 | deeps | ive reset the bios to factory defaults and thats not prompted it to reconfirm about new hardware |
| 18:11.00 | _edward_ | muerd I think tldp.org might have an "audio" howto or the like that lists a bunch of GNU/Linux audio applications... |
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| 18:11.06 | azeem | Jon`: "deb http://www.backports.org/pending/mysql-dfsg-5.0/ ./" is what you want, I guess |
| 18:11.18 | EdibleText | deeps, just a thought. sometimes when you bang your head against something long enough something clicks, or cracks |
| 18:11.18 | azeem | Jon`: you are running Sarge/3.1, right? |
| 18:11.19 | deeps | ive removed and replugged in the disk more than once to make sure the cable connection is ok, on the disk, and on the motherboard |
| 18:11.26 | Jon` | azeem, yeah |
| 18:11.27 | muerd | thanks im looking |
| 18:11.28 | Jon` | don't need deb-src? |
| 18:11.30 | deeps | my head's cracked twice already :( |
| 18:11.32 | azeem | Jon`: no |
| 18:11.45 | nvz | getting a damn MIC 603 error on my phone going to some site I am a member on.. and sprint says they have no idea what it means.. heh I was laughing with the guy on the phone about the MIC 6xx errors and what his computer says about them.. I was like htf did the programmer writing the parse code know this was an error if its "unknown" |
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| 18:12.03 | valdyn | deeps: you are sure that that 'detection' display really is that or only shows your saved configuration? |
| 18:12.05 | LostNoobs | !install x |
| 18:12.05 | dpkg | well, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 18:12.09 | nvz | unknown errors piss me off |
| 18:12.18 | stew | Jon`: if backports has a 5.0 package then forget backporting it yourself and you don't need a deb-src line. I figured that you had exhausted the possibility of using a package from backports.org yesterday |
| 18:12.40 | jack-black | what happens when you remove all drives except the hd? |
| 18:12.44 | deeps | valdyn: i booted without the disk, it showed no disk in the bios, i thought "hmm", opened up the case, discovered no disk inside! i plugged in a spare 40gb i had lying around, it detected the disk |
| 18:12.52 | Jon` | i wasn't even really sure what do it with it yesterday |
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| 18:13.09 | Jon` | and azeem, still getting couldn't stat source package list with that command above |
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| 18:13.17 | Jon` | thats on update |
| 18:13.20 | azeem | Jon`: then you have another bug in your sources.list |
| 18:13.29 | Jon` | it shows backports.org |
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| 18:13.45 | Jon` | failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/pending/mysql-dfsg-5.0/./packages.gz 404 not found |
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| 18:13.59 | azeem | Jon`: oh, ok. Sorry |
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| 18:14.06 | Jon` | and yeah i see it now |
| 18:14.13 | azeem | I extrapolated from Nobse's instructions for OOo2 |
| 18:14.34 | stew | Jon`: you might need to download those debs and dpkg -i directly instead of using apt-get |
| 18:14.34 | Jon` | err, after deleting the ./ it says malformed line now |
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| 18:14.38 | bizkit | anyone into openssh? what is the strongest encryption cipher that i can use? (the ssh package of sarge) |
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| 18:15.02 | azeem | Jon`: hang on |
| 18:15.05 | LostNoobs | !remove x |
| 18:15.05 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 18:15.13 | Jon` | k |
| 18:15.15 | LostNoobs | I do this apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 18:15.54 | _edward_ | bizkit blowfish? |
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| 18:16.14 | stew | _edward_: blowfish is the fastest. i dunno if its the strongest though |
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| 18:16.22 | azeem | Jon`: "deb http://www.backports.org/pending/ ./" |
| 18:16.28 | azeem | does that work? |
| 18:16.40 | Jon` | lets see.. |
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| 18:16.56 | bizkit | is twofish availabe? |
| 18:17.04 | Jon` | looks like it took it |
| 18:17.08 | Jon` | no errors |
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| 18:17.18 | Jon` | now i assume i can apt-get mysql-dfsg-5.0 ? |
| 18:17.19 | bizkit | aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr <- this is the default cipher list in sshd_config |
| 18:17.22 | Jon` | install* |
| 18:17.31 | azeem | Jon`: hopefully, yes |
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| 18:17.45 | surgeon | hi all |
| 18:17.48 | Jon` | says couldn't find package |
| 18:18.13 | azeem | Jon`: mysql-dfsg-5.0 is the name of the source package |
| 18:18.15 | mith | "couldn't find package" would be an "error" |
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| 18:18.33 | azeem | Jon`: have a look at http://www.backports.org/pending/mysql-dfsg-5.0/ for what you want |
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| 18:19.00 | Jon` | ok nm i see now, mysql-server-5.0 shows up on apt-cache search |
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| 18:19.24 | Jon` | weehoo, hopefully this works out :) |
| 18:19.40 | surgeon | i have an D-Link DGE-528T Gigabit NIC and when i wanted to install it at the beginning of the debian installation it wasn't found with the DL2000 driver, anybody an idea how to install it? |
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| 18:20.11 | LostNoobs | stew -bash: /usr/bin/X11/startx: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 18:21.16 | LostNoobs | !install x |
| 18:21.18 | dpkg | install xf4 is probably apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | why do people still use mysql again? :) |
| 18:21.35 | abrotman | LostNoobs: x-window-system-core |
| 18:21.41 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 18:21.45 | SimonRaven | because they think LAMP is the be all and end all of web content management |
| 18:22.30 | abrotman | really .. mysql is horrible |
| 18:22.41 | abrotman | trained monkeys could make a better database |
| 18:22.45 | abrotman | oh wait .. MSSQL ... |
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| 18:24.18 | sniperjo | hi can anyone help me with setting up CUPS and getting it to work ? |
| 18:24.22 | Jon` | ok, well mysql is running :) |
| 18:24.28 | valdyn | !setup cups |
| 18:24.33 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 18:24.33 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 18:24.38 | trym | Can grub display high framebuffer bootsplash images? Or do I have to go with lilo ? |
| 18:24.43 | Jon` | thanks for all the help guys |
| 18:24.50 | sniperjo | tried but it isnt working |
| 18:25.01 | sniperjo | it wont print out the test page |
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| 18:25.15 | valdyn | sniperjo: grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 18:25.17 | abrotman | !tell jon` about mysql |
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| 18:25.40 | psnl | where do you define macros in exim's configuration files? |
| 18:25.42 | rw-rw-r-- | Anyone here particularly fond of a simple web portal I can use for personal use to keep track of dates, times, appointments, aggregate rss feeds, etc? |
| 18:26.01 | surgeon | anybody here to help me with installing my Network Interface Card |
| 18:26.26 | Kluster_v2 | step 1: remove the case |
| 18:26.27 | valdyn | !tell surgeon -about ask |
| 18:26.40 | Ronin | Kluster_v2: step 1 power down |
| 18:26.40 | sniperjo | valdyn: it doesn't say anything |
| 18:26.43 | Zugschlus | psnl: before you use them for the first time |
| 18:26.52 | Zugschlus | psnl: older versions restrict you to the main configuration section |
| 18:27.03 | Kluster_v2 | Ronin, that's right.. I blew 2 mother boards and 5 NICs because I forgot about that step |
| 18:27.16 | SimonRaven | i stick them in the main section to a) keep it neat(er) b) habit |
| 18:27.17 | psnl | Zugschlus: thanks, I think |
| 18:27.28 | Ronin | Kluster_v2: ok true its not likely to happen but ive seen dumber things happen :) |
| 18:27.32 | surgeon | my D-Link DGE-528T Gigabit NIC couldn't be initialised in the debian installation |
| 18:27.41 | surgeon | now i wonder how to install it |
| 18:27.52 | sniperjo | valdyn: it doesn't say anything |
| 18:27.57 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: I feel more comfortable with having macros that are only needed in a router near the router. think a complicated expansion expression that is used three times. |
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| 18:28.12 | Kluster_v2 | Ronin, a client of mine couldn't get his computer to work.. forgot his power cord |
| 18:28.16 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: I haven't done something like that since exim allows macro definitions outside main configuration though |
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| 18:28.17 | valdyn | sniperjo: http://localhost:631/printers/<your printer> [any jobs or errors listed?] |
| 18:28.23 | SimonRaven | i have a tendency to do that, myself ;) |
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| 18:28.40 | sniperjo | valdyn: no jobs list in current but the list under compleated |
| 18:28.40 | GSF_nothing | so, I bumped into one of the devs today... |
| 18:28.51 | SimonRaven | nice to know i can fall back to being perl-style lazy |
| 18:29.25 | sniperjo | valdyn: ANd it says "cancled at ....." |
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| 18:30.03 | valdyn | sniperjo: try again, click 'print test page' on that page |
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| 18:30.18 | GSF_nothing | he had a friend with him who, when I said that I was a bit of a linux n00b and that I still used Windows, almost jumped in front of him, making the sign of the cross and shouting "Run! I'll hold him off!" |
| 18:30.22 | GSF_nothing | or words to that effect >_> |
| 18:30.35 | LostNoobs | BIG thanks stew |
| 18:30.40 | valdyn | sniperjo: hit reload in your browser to see new status i guess |
| 18:30.42 | LostNoobs | it works good |
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| 18:30.49 | LostNoobs | but I hanven't the mouse |
| 18:30.50 | LostNoobs | :) |
| 18:30.52 | sniperjo | valdyn: " |
| 18:30.53 | sniperjo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.53 | sniperjo | Wed Nov 30 19:33:43 2005 |
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| 18:32.03 | sniperjo | valdyn: It says its iddle and accepting jobs but if I turn it off it still says it |
| 18:32.33 | PupenoL | I see that the iptables package on debian doesn't provide a /etc/init.d/iptables to do the save and restore. Is there another package that provides that (I have searched in packages.debian.org without luck) or a similar fuctionality ? (note: I know making that script is simple, but before I make it and package it I want to be sure it is not already provided by someone else). |
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| 18:32.39 | valdyn | sniperjo: turn what off? |
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| 18:32.45 | paulswm | GSF_nothing: Some people just need slapping (I don't mean you, of course) |
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| 18:33.03 | sniperjo | valdyn: THe printer, if I turn it off the page says its iddle and accepting jobs |
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| 18:33.28 | GSF_nothing | paulswm - he was only joking |
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| 18:33.43 | valdyn | sniperjo: thats alright, cups doesnt poll that |
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| 18:34.12 | valdyn | sniperjo: which device is listed in cups? |
| 18:34.19 | slapin | Hi all!!! I have a server on colocation and want a backup tool, but traffic is very expensive, so any ideas on some tools which could be helpful? Best is some web gui for dump or tar |
| 18:34.24 | valdyn | sniperjo: Device URI: |
| 18:34.26 | sniperjo | valdyn: its usb printer 1 |
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| 18:34.43 | sniperjo | valdyn: usb://HP/OfficeJet%20G%20Series?serial=SGE0810233VL |
| 18:34.47 | GSF_nothing | heh, but seriously |
| 18:34.51 | paulswm | GSF_nothing: I guessed, but you could have preemptively slapped him anyway, Just In Case :P |
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| 18:35.29 | GSF_nothing | I don't think I could have been more surprised if I'd bumped into some dude who said "Hi, I'm God" and proceeded to glow and walk on water and stuff. |
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| 18:36.07 | valdyn | sniperjo: im clueless about usb printer device node naming, if you know what it is.. |
| 18:36.09 | GSF_nothing | anyway |
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| 18:36.19 | valdyn | sniperjo: /dev/usb* |
| 18:36.24 | sniperjo | valdyn: well that's just what it ghave me |
| 18:36.27 | GSF_nothing | *boots up his debian machine* I have a few problems I'd like a little... assistance with |
| 18:36.31 | xumbi | has anyone here ever staticly compiled mozilla? |
| 18:36.35 | Jon` | whats the best graphically-based samba debian can make use of? |
| 18:36.37 | sniperjo | valdyn: I tried install hp linux printing stuff |
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| 18:37.21 | azeem | xumbi: some of us have day jobs or are students as well |
| 18:37.31 | azeem | xumbi: why would you want to do that? |
| 18:37.39 | valdyn | sniperjo: what's in your /dev/usb/ ? |
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| 18:38.06 | xumbi | azeem: I'm working on an embedded project where we don't want to have to worry about dependencies |
| 18:38.11 | valdyn | sniperjo: paste the last lines of /var/log/cups/error_log somewhere |
| 18:38.21 | GSF_nothing | anyone here know a lot about driver problems and/or "[not being able to] start the X server"? |
| 18:38.31 | azeem | xumbi: I think this is not the right chan for you then |
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| 18:38.47 | azeem | xumbi: #debian is for end user support, not development discussions |
| 18:38.47 | xumbi | azeem: oh ok, any idea where I should ask? |
| 18:38.54 | azeem | #mozilla? |
| 18:38.55 | xumbi | azeem: ok no problem |
| 18:39.06 | azeem | dunno if that exists, maybe mozilla.org has their own network |
| 18:39.07 | xumbi | azeem: right, I was just there, I'll try again |
| 18:39.10 | azeem | (indeed, IIRC) |
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| 18:39.15 | xumbi | thanks! |
| 18:39.42 | EdibleText | GSF_nothing, youll find out if you ask speciffically about your problem ;) |
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| 18:40.03 | sniperjo | valdyn: where can I paste it ? |
| 18:40.05 | GSF_nothing | I put in a graphics card (Radeon 9500) |
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| 18:40.23 | valdyn | sniperjo: http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:40.29 | GSF_nothing | before, it booted straight to gnome, now it says "I cannot start the X server" etc etc |
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| 18:41.02 | BobbyGrace | I have the 'acpi' and 'cpufreq-ondemand' modules loaded in /etc/modules. by changing /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor I cat set the governor to 'ondemand'. But when I reboot, this is reset to 'performance'. How do I make 'ondemand' the default governor ? |
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| 18:41.09 | sniperjo | http://paste.debian.net/2981 |
| 18:41.11 | GSF_nothing | had a friend try to help me installing drivers, but if this message is any indication, it didn't work |
| 18:41.19 | Jon` | after installing swat, how can you access it from a web browser? |
| 18:41.28 | azeem | BobbyGrace: hack a boot script |
| 18:41.36 | BobbyGrace | oh ? |
| 18:41.40 | azeem | BobbyGrace: do you have a cpufreq daemon installed? |
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| 18:41.46 | BobbyGrace | no |
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| 18:41.52 | sniperjo | Jon: localhost:901 |
| 18:41.54 | valdyn | sniperjo: ok, this was my fault, should have grepped for Hint |
| 18:41.56 | azeem | BobbyGrace: why do you care about the scaling? |
| 18:41.59 | valdyn | sniperjo: apt-get install gs-esp |
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| 18:42.26 | valdyn | sniperjo: grep Hint /var/log/cups/error_log to see for yourself |
| 18:42.27 | BobbyGrace | azeem: because my fan makes shitload of noise if the cpu is running at max freq all the time |
| 18:42.43 | BobbyGrace | :) |
| 18:42.44 | azeem | oh |
| 18:42.45 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok installing now |
| 18:42.55 | azeem | BobbyGrace: well, I suggest you install cpufreqd or something |
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| 18:43.16 | azeem | BobbyGrace: it should come with an init script and perhaps a /etc/default/foo you can edit for tuning |
| 18:43.42 | BobbyGrace | azeem: will that daemon override acpi default settings ? I used powernowd before formatting the disk . that one worked fine |
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| 18:43.47 | surgeon | lspci | grep eth says: D-Link Systems Inc: Unknow Device 4300 (rev 10)... how can i install my NIC? |
| 18:43.55 | azeem | BobbyGrace: I assume |
| 18:44.02 | valdyn | surgeon: first you run update-pciids |
| 18:44.02 | azeem | BobbyGrace: otherwise, just use powernod? |
| 18:44.04 | BobbyGrace | ill try that |
| 18:44.11 | valdyn | surgeon: then you show that lspci entry again |
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| 18:44.37 | saik0 | I'm having trouble compiling SLiM, anybody using it? |
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| 18:45.13 | sniperjo | valdyn: when I do grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log nothing happens |
| 18:45.14 | _edward_ | BobbyGrace /etc/crontab @reboot root echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_goernor ? |
| 18:45.23 | valdyn | sniperjo: Hint not HINT |
| 18:45.29 | sniperjo | that's hwat u said :P |
| 18:45.30 | qwerty | When I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change my vidio card resolution it doesn't really change higher. I know it can go higher though because I've had it running better on a previous installation of Debian. I'm also using the 'nvidia' display driver, not 'nv', any help would be much appreciated. |
| 18:45.32 | _edward_ | ungly maybe |
| 18:45.35 | _edward_ | :D |
| 18:45.39 | GSF_nothing | basically I'm looking for someone who's got the time and the patience to walk a newbie through correcting problems... should I be in a different channel? |
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| 18:45.57 | valdyn | sniperjo: 19:41 < valdyn> sniperjo: ok, this was my fault, should have grepped for Hint |
| 18:46.19 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok so I need ghost script |
| 18:46.20 | sniperjo | ? |
| 18:46.30 | azeem | GSF_nothing: this is the right channel, assuming you are running Debian |
| 18:46.36 | GSF_nothing | I am |
| 18:46.39 | valdyn | sniperjo: just apt-get install gs-esp |
| 18:46.47 | azeem | GSF_nothing: however, just ask your questions, and whoever knows will answer |
| 18:47.08 | sniperjo | valdyn: yea I have, I mean to solve this s problem |
| 18:47.09 | Jon` | hmm, i have swat installed but i can't get to it via localhost:901 |
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| 18:47.14 | surgeon | he tells me to download these pciids, but i have no internet connection on that pc, can i transfer it by cdrom or floppy, valdyn? |
| 18:47.24 | Jon` | tells me the connection was refused |
| 18:47.25 | valdyn | sniperjo: gs-esp is ghostscript, try printing now |
| 18:47.33 | sniperjo | JOn: are u using ssh ? |
| 18:47.39 | Jon` | sniperjo, no |
| 18:47.40 | sniperjo | valdyn: Righ... ok |
| 18:48.04 | azeem | Jon`: maybe you have setup some firewall rules? |
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| 18:48.22 | sniperjo | valdyn: still says it has been calceled |
| 18:48.50 | GSF_nothing | ok, I had debian installed on system using onboard graphics card and it booted straight to gnome. Then I threw in my Radeon 9500 |
| 18:48.57 | Jon` | hmm |
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| 18:49.10 | Raden_001 | anyone know a linux IM program for yahoo that supports webcam ? |
| 18:49.18 | valdyn | !drxx GSF_nothing |
| 18:49.20 | GSF_nothing | now when it boots I get a message saying "Could not start X" and a lot of detailed X output text |
| 18:49.21 | dpkg | GSF_nothing: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:50.08 | GSF_nothing | I've already done that and it didn't work, but I can't remember what it said when it tried |
| 18:50.11 | Jon` | how do i get to the firewall settings if there are any? |
| 18:50.15 | GSF_nothing | I'll just retry so I can get you that info |
| 18:50.26 | EdibleText | GSF_nothing, there is a .deb for the fglrx stuff. other may know where to get it. i forgot the factiod if there is one |
| 18:50.40 | valdyn | sniperjo: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart, then try again, keep reading the log or paste me the new end of /var/log/cups/error_log |
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| 18:51.17 | sniperjo | valdyn: syea I just did that after I told you, it says its completed but nothing has come out of the printer |
| 18:52.28 | GSF_nothing | "Please enter the video card's bus identifier" - what do I need here, just the name of the bus it's on? |
| 18:52.38 | valdyn | sniperjo: no noise came from your printer? |
| 18:52.43 | thingfish | GSF_nothing: just hit enter |
| 18:52.47 | sniperjo | well it hasn't printed anyhting |
| 18:53.10 | thingfish | GSF_nothing: you don't need to supply any value for it. |
| 18:53.24 | EdibleText | GSF_nothing, yes find out via lspci, usually defaults are good unless your system is multiheaded or special |
| 18:53.26 | valdyn | sniperjo: did you repaste your error_log? |
| 18:53.31 | blaamann | kde3.5 seems faster or at least smoother. konstruct installed it nicely on Debian Sarge |
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| 18:53.43 | bergerx | /j# ubuntu |
| 18:53.46 | _edward_ | blaamann :( |
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| 18:53.56 | blaamann | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.07 | _edward_ | still waiting on the .debs :D |
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| 18:55.00 | blaamann | _edward_: Ok, I build kde3.5 just as a test. I will not use it except for a few days of testing |
| 18:55.53 | sniperjo | valdyn: new log is @ http://paste.debian.net/2982 |
| 18:56.08 | qwerty | how do I do security updates? or does apt-get upgrade take care of it? |
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| 18:56.33 | EdibleText | Ill have the ninety piece, sir. |
| 18:56.39 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 18:57.03 | valdyn | sniperjo: this looks alright, your problem is now with the lp port or the printer driver or the printer itself |
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| 18:57.13 | valdyn | sniperjo: what is in your /dev/usb/ ? |
| 18:57.27 | qwerty | ???????????????? |
| 18:57.37 | valdyn | !security |
| 18:57.38 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 18:57.53 | qwerty | =] |
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| 18:58.15 | cire | I try to install debian on a laptop using netinst-cd. When selecting 2.4 kernel, everything works, but "linux26" boot option makes it hang at "starting PC Card services". Disabling pcmcia by using "nopcmcia" or "hw/detect_pcmcia=false" doesn't work. Do you know a solution? |
| 18:58.20 | paulswm | EdibleText: Yes, when I start eating them, I can't easily stop |
| 18:58.25 | sniperjo | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/2983 |
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| 18:59.03 | cire | sorry, hw-detect/start-pcmcia=false |
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| 18:59.24 | EdibleText | paulswm, i forget to eat then it gets so bad i lose my appetite, then I have to stuff myself. |
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| 18:59.38 | GSF_nothing | \o/ gnome loads! Thanks guys |
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| 19:00.06 | ohad | hi, how do i activate bluetooth on my thinkpad? |
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| 19:00.08 | valdyn | sniperjo: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/lp0, see if your printer makes noise or even prints, Ctrl-C to abort |
| 19:00.28 | valdyn | sniperjo: oh type: /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 19:00.29 | EdibleText | paulswm, i thought some pilsner would stimulate my appetite so I installed a keg system under the sink |
| 19:00.38 | thingfish | sweet! |
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| 19:00.49 | ohad | is there a specific pkg that i need to get? |
| 19:00.53 | sniperjo | valdyn: "premission denied" |
| 19:00.53 | GSF_nothing | new problem: I can log in as root AND the standard user in command line, but in the gnome interface it won't let me log in as the user |
| 19:01.06 | sniperjo | valdyn: "permission denied" |
| 19:01.10 | valdyn | sniperjo: mind my correction, be root for that command |
| 19:01.16 | thingfish | EdibleText: is this like a little wet bar you're talking about, or in the kitchen? |
| 19:01.19 | sniperjo | valdyn: I am |
| 19:01.23 | relbs | can anyone recommend an easy to use video editng program? |
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| 19:01.30 | surgeon | valdyn, i've updated pci.ids and my ethernet card is listed with lspci |
| 19:01.39 | surgeon | but how do i load the driver now? |
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| 19:02.01 | EdibleText | thingfish, kitchen .. the kegs is outside (under my trailer) i prevent frezzeing with the heat tape... keeps it above 33 F |
| 19:02.26 | valdyn | surgeon: you ran update-pciids so you could give this channel useful information |
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| 19:02.26 | valdyn | !permission denied |
| 19:02.26 | thingfish | ooh but nice and cold I bet, EdibleText. |
| 19:02.43 | surgeon | valdyn: i am NOT connected to the internet, i've load pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net and now lspci DOES LIST my NIC... |
| 19:03.00 | GSF_nothing | how do I force it to boot to command line login instead of GUI? |
| 19:03.00 | sniperjo | valdyn: yea it says "permission denied" |
| 19:03.11 | EdibleText | thingfish, works nice. and i dont have tones of bottles and cans to deal with |
| 19:03.17 | thingfish | yeah |
| 19:03.47 | thingfish | everyone should have their own beer tap. |
| 19:04.05 | EdibleText | mkes me want to leave work early.. |
| 19:04.10 | thingfish | hehe I bet. |
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| 19:04.28 | nvz | I wouldnt really use mine |
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| 19:04.34 | valdyn | sniperjo: im confused, that shouldnt happen as root |
| 19:04.36 | nvz | don't much care for the stuff |
| 19:04.39 | pngwn | GSF_nothing, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:04.42 | thingfish | you don't drink much beer, nvz? ah. |
| 19:04.54 | valdyn | sniperjo: lsmod | grep lp |
| 19:04.57 | thingfish | what do you normally drink, nvz? |
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| 19:05.21 | EdibleText | I usually brew my own, but I have upgraded to all grain mashing and need to build a shed for it |
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| 19:05.24 | nvz | thingfish: wine, spirits.. not wiskey |
| 19:05.32 | thingfish | ah |
| 19:05.45 | sniperjo | valdyn: lp 5540 0 |
| 19:05.46 | surgeon | valdyn: update-pciids returns: couldn't connect to pciids.sourceforge.net, ok? |
| 19:05.48 | thingfish | no whiskey, huh. I drink whiskey a lot. |
| 19:06.00 | thingfish | good old kentucky bourbon. |
| 19:06.07 | EdibleText | so im all ready to go with co2. it was a small step to just buy a keg |
| 19:06.11 | PattonPending | hello folks, quick question |
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| 19:06.30 | thingfish | cool that you make your own, EdibleText. |
| 19:06.30 | ogu | hi |
| 19:06.32 | valdyn | surgeon: did you paste the updated lspci line for your NIC yet? |
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| 19:06.38 | nvz | thingfish: I like Tequilla, Vodka, Gin, Rum, 99 (Berries|Apples|Bananas), Jagermiester.. I havent tried too aweful many liquors |
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| 19:06.45 | PattonPending | set either apt or synaptic to download 686 compiled binaries |
| 19:06.54 | abrotman | is that a question ? |
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| 19:07.03 | PattonPending | its me pleading with the room |
| 19:07.07 | EdibleText | thingfish, yeah it taught me how to follow, then eventually 'feel' manuals |
| 19:07.13 | ogu | i have a root server and want to add a second ip adress. have somebody a good howto or something else |
| 19:07.19 | PattonPending | I know its possible, but I haven't been able to do it on my own |
| 19:07.20 | PattonPending | any pointers? |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | there are no 686 compiled binaries in Debian .. just libc6-i686 and kernel-image-2.6-686(or whichever kernel version you use) |
| 19:07.32 | trym | I have a NVIDIA Geforce 6600GT. My problem is that my graphic is very laggy. Resizing a simple firefox window (or any other window with some content) will lag noticably. I have tried to reduce the case as much as I can. I am now running with only 1 monitor, and the problem still persists (running KDE 4.2) |
| 19:07.34 | valdyn | sniperjo: modprobe usblp ( or somesuch ) |
| 19:07.36 | PattonPending | that would do it |
| 19:07.44 | thingfish | nvz: I'll drink any of those, although I do tend to stay away from the sweeter stuff. I like gin a lot, not real big on rum or tequila or vodka, but I'll still drink them. |
| 19:07.46 | PattonPending | so I'd have to get the src's and compile them on my own? |
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| 19:07.55 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 19:07.56 | dpkg | hmm... apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 19:08.01 | PattonPending | yup |
| 19:08.04 | PattonPending | heard about it |
| 19:08.09 | Estes2 | !apt-proxy |
| 19:08.10 | sniperjo | valdyn: It says it cant locate it |
| 19:08.10 | dpkg | [apt-proxy] a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. |
| 19:08.12 | stew | ogu: edit /etc/network/interfaces, if you have eth0 in there add an alias named something like eth0:1 make sure there is an auto eth0:1, don't give it a gateway/broadcast/network just ip and netmask |
| 19:08.29 | nvz | thingfish: none of the ones I mentioned is sweet buy itself |
| 19:08.42 | valdyn | sniperjo: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 19:08.42 | nvz | thingfish: jagermiester is the sweetest, and its not very sweet |
| 19:08.47 | PattonPending | abrotman: do you have any experience with it? I tried it a while ago and things got a little hairy |
| 19:08.49 | valdyn | !find usblp |
| 19:09.02 | sniperjo | valdyn: no just the normal sarge 1 |
| 19:09.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usblp' (3 of 5): (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-386/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-686. |
| 19:09.14 | abrotman | PattonPending: no .. because the amount of effort isn't worth the benefit in most cases |
| 19:09.15 | thingfish | nvz: oh, I was thinking the 99 etc's were sweet, but I didn't really know since I haven't tasted them. |
| 19:09.19 | nvz | thingfish: I dont like sweet stuff either. I will drink a margarita or something.. but those real sweet or sour liquors I dont like. |
| 19:09.26 | madradrone | trym: kde 4.2? |
| 19:09.27 | thingfish | oh yeah me too |
| 19:09.33 | PattonPending | excellent, thanks |
| 19:09.36 | valdyn | sniperjo: and a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 19:09.38 | stew | i'll drink anything, pretty much |
| 19:09.42 | stew | except milk |
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| 19:09.47 | sniperjo | valdyn: yes I think so |
| 19:09.49 | nvz | thingfish: no they are 99proof they are strong alcohol. has a hint of flavor but you are too busy gasping for breath to tell. |
| 19:09.53 | trym | madradrone: sorry typo 3.4.2 |
| 19:09.54 | surgeon | no you asked about the stdout of update-pciids; well, i can't paste it, but here it is: D-Link System Inc DGE-528T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter |
| 19:10.05 | nvz | thingfish: like the 99 Berries makes a good jungle juice if you got something berry flavored |
| 19:10.07 | thingfish | I like gin and tonic, or tom collins maybe, or reynold's special...otherwise bourbon and coke or wine or ale. |
| 19:10.11 | surgeon | valdyn |
| 19:10.18 | abrotman | thingfish: my mom drinks those .. |
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| 19:10.23 | thingfish | I like berry flavored anything. |
| 19:10.25 | nvz | thingfish: I think its good for shots too.. better than most things I usually take shots of. |
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| 19:10.44 | thingfish | abrotman: which ones, all I mentioned? |
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| 19:10.47 | nvz | thingfish: I normally kick off a night at the bar with a shot of bicardi superior, a jager bomb, and a Capt & Coke |
| 19:10.51 | thingfish | ooh now I don't do shots. |
| 19:10.52 | abrotman | thingfish: tom collins |
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| 19:11.05 | wurst | hi |
| 19:11.09 | nvz | s/bicardi/bacardi/ |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | thingfish: they're foofoo drinks:) |
| 19:11.16 | thingfish | they're good if you make them with fresh squeezed lemon juice. |
| 19:11.23 | wurst | sorry for my newbieness - what was the exactly command to add an IP address to a network card? |
| 19:11.27 | wurst | really add, not change |
| 19:11.33 | stew | wurst: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:11.35 | nvz | bah these damn ringtones arent showing up in my 3g locker for some reason :-/ |
| 19:11.35 | thingfish | tom collins isn't considered foo foo, at least I don't think. |
| 19:11.44 | stew | wurst: unless you want it to be temporary, then man ifconfig |
| 19:11.45 | wurst | the mans suck -.- |
| 19:11.50 | valdyn | sniperjo: ask trhis channel which drivers you need for an USB printer, i dont know that for 2.4 kernels |
| 19:11.51 | abrotman | thingfish: of course you don't :) |
| 19:11.52 | madradrone | trym: are you using transparency ? |
| 19:11.55 | stew | wurst: improvements are welcome |
| 19:11.56 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 19:12.01 | abrotman | !tell wurst about interfaces |
| 19:12.05 | trym | madradrone: no |
| 19:12.05 | trym | brb |
| 19:12.08 | blondie | wurst: nothing wrong with sucking |
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| 19:12.12 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 19:12.22 | wurst | ^^ |
| 19:12.26 | wurst | blondie: if you say it ;D |
| 19:12.32 | GSF_nothing | ok if I'm already AT the login screen, is there any way to close GDM and just use command line? |
| 19:12.35 | thingfish | a gin and tonic isn't foo foo - that's an old british military drink. |
| 19:12.37 | nvz | I am probably going to sick the GNAA on this 3g just because.. but they are pretty cool if you can get a 6mo. for less than $10 and d/l all the ringtones, screensavers, games, and apps you want.. and not have to pay your provider for each and possibly pay monthly for the app as well |
| 19:12.55 | stew | GSF_nothing: hit ctrl-alt-f1 or f2 f3 f4... |
| 19:13.01 | wurst | No manual entry for interfaces in section 5 |
| 19:13.01 | nvz | a lot of their apps are trialware or abandonware that doesnt really function |
| 19:13.03 | tchino | hello, where can i find a good side for linux hardware, i want to by a canon pixma mp 170 |
| 19:13.05 | wurst | what about this? |
| 19:13.09 | GSF_nothing | thanks stew |
| 19:13.13 | stew | GSF_nothing: ctrl-alt-f7 gets you back to x, if you never want a graphical login, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:13.18 | sniperjo | valdyn: ahh I need a registered nic it says |
| 19:13.22 | thingfish | I guess real men are supposed to drink martinis. |
| 19:13.30 | GSF_nothing | stew: at what point do I type that? |
| 19:13.31 | tchino | and i want to practise it with debian |
| 19:13.33 | nvz | they got a BASIC interpreter written in Java.. heh how sad is that. |
| 19:13.40 | stew | GSF_nothing: /msg dpkg nodm? into your irc client |
| 19:13.47 | stew | !tell GSF_nothing about nodm |
| 19:13.50 | madradrone | ethanol is a poison btw. |
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| 19:14.31 | thingfish | oh no! well then let me go throw out all my booze. |
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| 19:14.51 | EdibleText | Oxygen is explosive too. |
| 19:14.52 | valdyn | sniperjo: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:14.56 | sniperjo | guys stop talking about alchol, I am sure u can find a boze chanel to go to |
| 19:15.02 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:15.06 | thingfish | heh sorry |
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| 19:15.09 | wurst | how to quit the manual-app? |
| 19:15.17 | madradrone | those british soldiers weren't the type to go run 10K after their healthy gin and tonics. |
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| 19:15.34 | sniperjo | REGISTER |
| 19:15.34 | wurst | strg^x doesn't work :/ |
| 19:15.35 | stew | EdibleText: oxygen is not explosive, it is not flamable |
| 19:15.38 | madradrone | it probably just flushed out the pork fat from their veins |
| 19:15.42 | thingfish | well, they were happy soldiers, at least. |
| 19:15.48 | surgeon | valdyn, still there? i've send the line from lspci! |
| 19:15.49 | nvz | wurst: q |
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| 19:15.53 | stew | EdibleText: it's presence will increase something else's flamability however |
| 19:15.53 | wurst | thx |
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| 19:16.28 | nvz | wurst: the man pager uses the systems $PAGER which is usally less. the pager allows scrolling of text as well as features like searching. man less. it'll help |
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| 19:16.49 | GSF_nothing | thankyou stew |
| 19:16.53 | EdibleText | stew, ah |
| 19:16.54 | madradrone | lol |
| 19:17.08 | nvz | wurst: its funny there is a pager called more, which really only lets you press a key to see more (scroll down) then they came out with less, which actually does more. |
| 19:17.24 | Zugschlus | and there of course is most |
| 19:17.25 | stew | and there is most... |
| 19:17.30 | Zugschlus | stew: *5* |
| 19:17.34 | madradrone | view is even better than less IMHO |
| 19:17.45 | valdyn | surgeon: uname -r |
| 19:17.54 | wurst | aha |
| 19:17.58 | nvz | madradrone: never seen that is it GNU and GPL? |
| 19:18.00 | sniperjo | valdyn: What was the chanel again pelase ? |
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| 19:18.15 | wurst | ehrm... what is wrong with "ifconfig add eth0:1 my.ip.add.ress" ? |
| 19:18.24 | valdyn | sniperjo: uh? this channel here |
| 19:18.39 | pinky | hi... want to take a look here |
| 19:18.44 | madradrone | nvz: view is just vim in read-only mode. but the copy function is sane because it doesn't insert linebreaks at terminal line wraps like less |
| 19:18.47 | sniperjo | oh lol ok :P |
| 19:18.54 | wurst | nvz: do yo know perhaps`? |
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| 19:19.05 | Jon` | anyone else have any ideas as to why SWAT might be giving me connection refused? I've tried a few things now, and still not having any luck |
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| 19:19.34 | abrotman | Jon`: why don't you just edit the config file like a normal person ? |
| 19:19.37 | sniperjo | What drivers do I need for a kernal 2.4 for a usb printer ? |
| 19:19.43 | Jon` | abrotman, that's what i've been trying |
| 19:19.50 | wurst | hello? couldn't somebody tell me whats wrong with "ifconfig add eth0:1 my.ip.add.ress" ? |
| 19:19.52 | abrotman | Jon`: did you read the docs at samba.org ? |
| 19:19.57 | abrotman | or ask #samba ? |
| 19:20.06 | nvz | madradrone: ah cool. most people would never notice that :P |
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| 19:20.09 | Volen_siderov | What to edit in fstab to get NTFS with CP-1251 encoding ?!?!? |
| 19:20.18 | abrotman | $#&*((*&#*$(&!?!?!?!!?!? |
| 19:20.19 | nvz | wurst: you mean a person on freenode? |
| 19:20.29 | madradrone | abrotman: because, 2 days ago when he asked, we recommended he edit smb.conf, but he would rather spend 2+ days trying to get swat to work... |
| 19:20.32 | wurst | no? |
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| 19:20.38 | valdyn | surgeon: install a 2.6 kernel from sarge or if its not autodetected a newer one |
| 19:20.41 | sniperjo | Jon, You have to uncomment a line in 1 of the configs |
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| 19:20.51 | abrotman | madradrone: nice |
| 19:20.53 | wurst | nvz: I mean debian - I'm trying to add an IP-Address to my network card |
| 19:20.56 | Volen_siderov | What to edit in fstab to get NTFS with CP-1251 encoding ? |
| 19:21.08 | EdibleText | Jon`, iirc there is a speciifc mention of iot being tunrd off by default in debian for security reasons. you have to make a change to some config somehwere |
| 19:21.09 | Volen_siderov | to mount NTFS with CP-1251 encoding |
| 19:21.17 | GSF_nothing | stew |
| 19:21.20 | nvz | wurst: oh well "you know perhaps" is an incomplete sentance unless perhaps is like a proper noun like someones name |
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| 19:21.26 | Jon` | yes, i've already done that |
| 19:21.26 | EdibleText | not being turned on* |
| 19:21.33 | sniperjo | valdyn: should i install a newer kernal ? |
| 19:21.33 | Jon` | there were 2 lines in the inetd i believe it was |
| 19:21.36 | abrotman | Jon`: try /usr/share/doc/samba .. or /usr/share/doc/swat/ |
| 19:21.37 | nvz | wurst: I am totally not paying attention to IRC right now. |
| 19:21.50 | GSF_nothing | do you mind if I drag you into a private room to feed you the errors I'm getting? |
| 19:21.56 | wurst | nvz: nevertheless you maybe could help me :P |
| 19:21.56 | surgeon | valdyn: uname -r < 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:21.57 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 19:21.58 | pinky | @wurst: I'm not sure, but i think it should be "ifconfig eth1 up" and after "ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.30", for example. |
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| 19:22.15 | Volen_siderov | what to edit in FSTAB to mount NTFS with CP-1251 encoding |
| 19:22.19 | wurst | pinky: I'm tryin' .. |
| 19:22.23 | abrotman | !tell Volen_siderov about repeat |
| 19:22.31 | sniperjo | What drivers do I need for a kernal 2.4 for a usb printer ? |
| 19:22.46 | nvz | wurst: man 5 interfaces might be able to help you. |
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| 19:22.56 | pinky | sniperjo: What for printer? |
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| 19:23.12 | nvz | wurst: unless you can tell my why I cant get these ringtones from 3g's website to my phone |
| 19:23.13 | sniperjo | WPinky: drivers |
| 19:23.13 | valdyn | surgeon: see above, use a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:23.46 | EdibleText | sniperjo, usblp |
| 19:23.53 | EdibleText | sniperjo, then configure CUPS |
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| 19:24.01 | valdyn | !depends hotplug sarge |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | EdibleText: not available in 2.4 |
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| 19:24.07 | dpkg | hotplug: depends on module-init-tools | modutils (>= 2.4.2), debconf (>= 0.2.26), procps, grep (>= 2.5.1.ds1-2), sed (>= 4), bash (>= 2.05b-1) |
| 19:24.12 | Volen_siderov | what to edit in FSTAB to mount NTFS with CP-1251 encoding pleeease |
| 19:24.12 | EdibleText | abrotman, word |
| 19:24.20 | abrotman | !tell Volen_siderov about repeat |
| 19:24.27 | abrotman | see .. it's fucking annoying .. STOP |
| 19:24.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:24.36 | sniperjo | EditableText: what ? |
| 19:24.42 | Volen_siderov | but it's important |
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| 19:24.48 | GSF_nothing | when I boot to gnome I get an error "activating XKB conviguration" and it asks me to run "xprop - root | grep XKB" then "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb" |
| 19:25.00 | cahoot | Volen_siderov: look at the man page for mount - the ntfs section |
| 19:25.01 | valdyn | sniperjo: do you have hotplug or usbmgr installed? |
| 19:25.02 | abrotman | Volen_siderov: then ask google .. ask ##linux .. but asking us FIVE times in THREE minutes .. just makes people want to kill you |
| 19:25.04 | surgeon | what is sarge, how do i get a newer kernel? |
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| 19:25.15 | adii | i personally want to kill him |
| 19:25.17 | sniperjo | valdyn: No should I ? |
| 19:25.22 | stew | Volen_siderov: man mount, look at the options for ntfs, add that to the options section in fstab |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | adii: i would have already :) |
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| 19:25.30 | EdibleText | sniperjo, I habve set up usb printers under kernel 2.6.* not for 2.4 |
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| 19:25.35 | Volen_siderov | steve, thanks |
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| 19:25.40 | GSF_nothing | what else do I need to give so someone can tell me what the problem is here? |
| 19:25.41 | valdyn | sniperjo: yea |
| 19:25.44 | sniperjo | Editabletext: should I get 2.6 ? |
| 19:26.09 | sniperjo | valdyne: which is better hotplub or usbmangr? |
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| 19:26.43 | valdyn | sniperjo: no idea, i never used either with 2.4 kernels, for a 2.6 kernel you dont have the choice but use hotplug |
| 19:26.48 | EdibleText | sniperjo, I would. but... i support myself |
| 19:27.01 | mnljkj | ïðèâåò âñåì |
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| 19:27.07 | sniperjo | Editabletext: what is the majour diffrence? |
| 19:27.41 | sniperjo | valdyne: wait, hotplug is already installed |
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| 19:27.47 | valdyn | sniperjo: you probably wouldnt notice a difference |
| 19:27.56 | Jon` | well, is there any documentation on setting samba to just be open to any users? all im really trying to do is make it so that everyone on the network can just browse a folder on the debian machine wihout having to use a login and pass |
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| 19:28.10 | EdibleText | sniperjo, everything and nothing |
| 19:28.33 | bbrazil | Jon`: look at the 'guest' options |
| 19:28.40 | sniperjo | Editabletext: would it benefit me upgrading? |
| 19:28.54 | sniperjo | valdyne: wait, hotplug is already installed |
| 19:29.16 | pinky | have 2 go... |
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| 19:29.26 | EdibleText | sniperjo, perhaps if you wish to have certain 'stuff' supported or specific feature not supported by earlier kernels |
| 19:29.48 | mirak | anyone know if apt-build is still broken ? |
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| 19:30.09 | stew | mirak: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:30.11 | valdyn | mirak: its whole design is broken |
| 19:30.16 | sniperjo | Editabletext: hmm ok |
| 19:30.28 | surgeon | valdyn, can u tell me, where to download a 2.6 kernel and how to install it? |
| 19:30.29 | EdibleText | sniperjo, i cant aswer really. im like a salmon ready to spawn when it comes to kernels. i just know what to do and when to do it. |
| 19:30.35 | sniperjo | valdyne: Hotplug is installed, do you have any other ideas? |
| 19:30.39 | mirak | valdyn: I didn't asked if there was a troll around |
| 19:30.42 | stew | surgeon: what version of debian and what cpu do you have? |
| 19:30.45 | yang | I have dependancy problem, if someone can have a look at http://pastebin.com/443363 This happened when i upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 19:30.45 | valdyn | surgeon: oh, apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one install one |
| 19:30.46 | mirak | valdyn: lol ;) |
| 19:31.09 | surgeon | stew: 2..4.27-2-386 |
| 19:31.18 | surgeon | stew: pentium II |
| 19:31.19 | valdyn | mirak: i tried apt-build, it appeared to me as useless, thats just me though |
| 19:31.39 | stew | surgeon: i'm assuming your debian version is sarge or stable. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:31.45 | mirak | valdyn: as useless as gentoo then |
| 19:31.54 | mirak | valdyn: it' mostly for fun |
| 19:31.57 | sniperjo | valdyne: ah!! I have hotplug |
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| 19:32.03 | valdyn | mirak: no, gentoo works, apt-build doesnt |
| 19:32.14 | mirak | valdyn: it happened to work |
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| 19:32.53 | surgeon | apt-get doesn't find 2.6er versions, it just finds 2.4.27... i'm not connected to the internet stew |
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| 19:32.55 | blindboygrunt | hi all, I am compiling mplayer - does anyone how I find out all the build options mplayer has? |
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| 19:33.10 | cheal | yang: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340831 |
| 19:33.18 | stew | surgeon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:33.23 | stew | surgeon: (not what kernel version) |
| 19:33.23 | cheal | blindboygrunt: you should probably ask #mplayer |
| 19:33.25 | Jon` | bbrazil, yeah, i had tried setting it to guest in the conf, guess ill have to play with it a bit more |
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| 19:33.44 | sniperjo | Editabletext: All I really want the box tdo is an ftp samba sharing a printer for the moment, would it be simpler with 2.6 ? |
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| 19:33.54 | tchino | some experience with canon pixma 170 MP under debain? |
| 19:33.57 | bbrazil | Jon`: usually set it to nobody, and set guest ok = yes |
| 19:34.04 | blindboygrunt | cheal: thanks! |
| 19:34.06 | SlayerXP | !debain tchino |
| 19:34.26 | stew | surgeon: like are you running testing? or ubuntu? or what? |
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| 19:34.34 | valdyn | stew: his real problem is that his usb printer wont print, cups is working fine though as we already verified |
| 19:34.35 | WoodyWoodpecker | can someone look up in with package "convert" is ? |
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| 19:34.43 | Jon` | bbrazil, do i put that under a [public] section or does it matter? |
| 19:34.51 | WoodyWoodpecker | dpkg -S /usr/bin/convert or something like that |
| 19:34.52 | bbrazil | Jon`: depends on what you want it to affect |
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| 19:34.54 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/convert or something like that: Status: install ok installed |
| 19:35.04 | tchino | SlayerXP: no debian |
| 19:35.05 | sniperjo | valdyn: are u talking about me ? |
| 19:35.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | ? |
| 19:35.06 | Jon` | i want anyone on the network to be able to access the folder "/css/shares" |
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| 19:35.09 | bbrazil | WoodyWoodpecker: imagemagick |
| 19:35.13 | valdyn | sniperjo: yep |
| 19:35.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | thanks bbrazil |
| 19:35.22 | bbrazil | WoodyWoodpecker: apt-file |
| 19:35.24 | madradrone | WoodyWoodpecker: search at packages.debian.org |
| 19:35.27 | surgeon | stew: i am running debian 3.1 with kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:35.28 | tchino | SlayerXP: do you have some experience with canon pixma 170 MP under debian? |
| 19:35.33 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok :D btw I have hotplug installed |
| 19:35.37 | WoodyWoodpecker | apt-cache search convert gave me a lot :-) |
| 19:35.38 | madradrone | WoodyWoodpecker: but its in imagemagick... |
| 19:35.38 | SlayerXP | tchino: no |
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| 19:35.47 | stew | surgeon: if you cannot find kernel-image-2.6-686 then your sources.list was messed up |
| 19:35.47 | WoodyWoodpecker | thanks again |
| 19:35.52 | mirak | valdyn: it's not fixed |
| 19:35.58 | tchino | where can i find experience under debian |
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| 19:36.06 | mirak | stew: it's not fixed |
| 19:36.06 | stew | surgeon: if you paste your sources.list to #flood or to a pastebin i'd look at it |
| 19:36.09 | EdibleText | tchino, usb ? |
| 19:36.21 | Jon` | bbrazil, do i set the user = nobody or user = guest? |
| 19:36.22 | tchino | EdibleText: yes |
| 19:36.25 | yang | cheal: do i need package udev at all? |
| 19:36.32 | valdyn | sniperjo: yea i know, that cancels the chance that installing it might fix your issues.. |
| 19:36.48 | cheal | yang: depends. you can try uninstalling it and see if other packages complain |
| 19:37.02 | EdibleText | tchino, plug it in if you have usb mass storage support it shoiuld become a device.. look at dmesg |
| 19:37.20 | valdyn | sniperjo: tail -f /var/log/messages, then replugging your printer should show stuff |
| 19:37.22 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok :D I guessed so its a HP g85 if that bares any help |
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| 19:37.36 | bbrazil | Jon`: don't set user, unless you're giving write priviledges |
| 19:37.42 | lekvar | How much difference does a 686 kernel really make vs a 386 kernel anyway? |
| 19:37.51 | Jon` | ah ok |
| 19:38.06 | oigres | Guys, I've screwed up (or so I think) for the first time in 10 years a computer... I had to use etch to install Debian, and it got rid of the Window$ stuff and made a Linux LVM partition on the disc. What is that? Can I recover the previous information I had? |
| 19:38.07 | bbrazil | Jon`: it changes the UID of the samba process when it reads the file |
| 19:38.07 | Jon` | so just public = yes, guest ok = yes, writable = yes, available = yes, browseable = yes, path, and thats it? |
| 19:38.11 | tchino | EdibleText: exist a linux-side, where can i find some support with printer-hardware |
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| 19:38.22 | bbrazil | Jon`: assuming that dir is world writable, yes |
| 19:38.27 | valdyn | lekvar: less than you would notice |
| 19:38.37 | Jon` | so do I need to chmod it as well? |
| 19:38.38 | bbrazil | Jon`: I'm pretty sure public is the same as guest ok |
| 19:38.42 | sniperjo | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/2984 is the response |
| 19:38.52 | bbrazil | Jon`: usual unix permissions apply |
| 19:38.52 | EdibleText | lekvar, big differance if you ever need to boot off a differernt mobo |
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| 19:40.05 | valdyn | sniperjo: that is nothing at all |
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| 19:40.15 | blindboygrunt | anyone know what the x header package is in debian? |
| 19:40.40 | oigres | Guys, I've screwed up (or so I think) for the first time in 10 years a computer... I had to use etch to install Debian, and it got rid of the Window$ stuff and made a Linux LVM partition on the disc. What is that? Can I recover the previous information I had? |
| 19:40.50 | SimonRaven | packages |
| 19:41.03 | yang | cheal: Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 wtf...in etch? |
| 19:41.12 | SimonRaven | blindboygrunt: there's several |
| 19:41.24 | cheal | yang: what do you mean? |
| 19:41.26 | sniperjo | valdyn: nothing at all ? as in no problem ? |
| 19:41.37 | stew | blindboygrunt: xlibs-dev |
| 19:41.39 | cheal | yang: oh, uninstalling udev makes 2.4 install? |
| 19:41.44 | slushpupie | oigres: you mean you reformatted the windows partition as LVM? |
| 19:41.48 | yang | cheal: the procedure went on, when uninstalling udev |
| 19:41.51 | blindboygrunt | stew: thanks |
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| 19:42.00 | valdyn | sniperjo: no, you should see messages when unplugging and when plugging in usb devices of any kind |
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| 19:42.05 | yang | cheal: |
| 19:42.08 | blindboygrunt | SimonRaven: its to enable xv to work in mplayer |
| 19:42.11 | SimonRaven | xlibs-dev is getting deprecated soon |
| 19:42.12 | yang | A new kernel image has been installed at /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 19:42.14 | De_Mon | how do I unmount a chrooted proc? It keeps telling me device is busy |
| 19:42.16 | cheal | yang: and you didn't have to confirm the installation of 2.4? |
| 19:42.20 | stew | yang: etch's udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 19:42.23 | slushpupie | oigres: if so, then no, its not likely you can recover the data without taking it to an expert and playing lots of money |
| 19:42.26 | sniperjo | valdyn: messages? I am on ssh |
| 19:42.28 | cheal | yang: ur, which package manager do you use? |
| 19:42.39 | yang | cheal: debconf , dialog |
| 19:42.42 | lekvar | *curious to see how quickly firefox 1.5 debs appear* |
| 19:42.48 | valdyn | sniperjo: uh, doesnt matter how you read that logfile.. |
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| 19:43.00 | cheal | yang: debcong isn't a package manager...I meant an APT frontend |
| 19:43.02 | Akbar | lekvar me too :) |
| 19:43.11 | yang | cheal: apt-get |
| 19:43.14 | sniperjo | valdyn: oh yar yar sorry |
| 19:43.21 | oigres | slushpupie: well, I'm not quite sure. I was doing the installation in etch and got to a point in which i did have to create partitions (there was nothing of the like though) and voila. That's what I'm left with... Sniff, sniff... |
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| 19:43.28 | Jon` | hmm bbrazil, it's still prompting for username and password |
| 19:43.33 | calmar | hi all, would anybody know what the Cmd key could be here? http://manuals.thexdershome.com/ImageMagick-5.5.4-3/display.html#keyb Cmd-A Press to make any image transformations permanent. |
| 19:43.36 | sniperjo | valdyn: should I unplug it and see what happens? |
| 19:43.43 | valdyn | sniperjo: yes |
| 19:43.47 | sniperjo | ok |
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| 19:44.04 | cheal | yang: ah, well, apt-get *shouldn't* install an additional package without your confirmation |
| 19:44.30 | surgeon | stew: well, i'll explain my situation again. yesterday i downloaded the installation iso from debian.org; then i installed it on another pc; i cant use internet there, because my NIC doesn't work. u told me to get a new kernel, i want to know where to download it and how to install it without internet |
| 19:44.33 | bbrazil | Jon`: it'll do that. whats your security level setting? |
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| 19:44.49 | wamphyri | anyone useing debian amd64 w/nvidia-glx? |
| 19:45.04 | Jon` | in the conf or somewhere else? |
| 19:45.07 | GSF_nothing | afk, dinner - sending food to /dev/null |
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| 19:45.23 | bbrazil | Jon`: smb.conf |
| 19:45.25 | yang | cheal: anyway i ll override it with linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 19:45.46 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok it changed http://paste.debian.net/2985 |
| 19:45.51 | cheal | wamphyri: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 19:45.52 | stew | surgeon: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is on the cd, you can dpkg -i that .deb |
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| 19:45.58 | cheal | yang: ok |
| 19:45.59 | DebianBoynew | hi |
| 19:46.05 | Jon` | its commented out |
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| 19:46.09 | Jon` | ;secruty = user |
| 19:46.10 | DebianBoynew | i try to install with hd-images but not boot |
| 19:46.20 | DebianBoynew | what i need to write on grub? |
| 19:46.38 | Debian_freak | qual o canal brasileiro de debian? |
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| 19:46.48 | stew | !br |
| 19:46.49 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:46.59 | oigres | slushpupie: Just one more thing: do you know why Debian etch is doing Linux LVM partitions nowdays? |
| 19:47.01 | Akbar | hehheh |
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| 19:47.14 | Debian_freak | qual o canal brasileiro de debian? |
| 19:47.19 | bbrazil | Jon`: hmm, I forget the default. testparm -sv should tell you |
| 19:47.21 | goron | I was wondering whether Ubuntu improvements are really being backported to Debian. Are they? And if so, how fast is the process generally? |
| 19:47.23 | stew | Debian_freak: #debian-br |
| 19:47.37 | stew | goron: they are, google for utnubu |
| 19:47.39 | cheal | goron: not consistently |
| 19:47.55 | valdyn | sniperjo: ls -l /dev/usblp0 |
| 19:48.02 | cheal | or methodically |
| 19:48.03 | Jon` | its set to USER |
| 19:48.19 | Jon` | so I just comment that out and set it to guest ? |
| 19:48.23 | DebianBoynew | i try to install debian from hd-image becouse i don't have cdrom or floppy |
| 19:48.23 | Jon` | err uncomment it rather |
| 19:48.26 | bbrazil | Jon`: is samba doing anything else? |
| 19:48.27 | goron | stew: heh, it is actually called utnubu lol |
| 19:48.28 | surgeon | stew: ok sry, didn't know that |
| 19:48.32 | DebianBoynew | what i need to put on grub for boot it |
| 19:48.33 | DebianBoynew | ? |
| 19:48.37 | Jon` | nah, I only need it for this purpose |
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| 19:48.53 | sniperjo | valdyn: "no such file or folder" |
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| 19:49.18 | bbrazil | Jon`: set it to share |
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| 19:49.28 | yang | cheal: kernel-image-2.6-k7 what does K7 stand for? Is it good for sempron ? |
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| 19:49.29 | stew | DebianBoynew: /msg dpkg install grub |
| 19:49.32 | valdyn | sniperjo: cat <somelargefile> > /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 19:49.35 | bbrazil | Jon`: I'm a bit rusty, but that should do it |
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| 19:49.50 | DebianBoynew | stew i've grub4dos |
| 19:49.55 | wamphyri | yang k8 is good for semphron i think |
| 19:50.01 | stew | DebianBoynew: i don't know what that is |
| 19:50.06 | Jon` | sweet, there we go :) thanks much |
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| 19:50.13 | DebianBoynew | my machine is win98 without cdrom or floppy |
| 19:50.17 | sniperjo | valdyn: text file or anything ? |
| 19:50.18 | DebianBoynew | i need toinstall |
| 19:50.19 | Akbar | lol |
| 19:50.20 | cmdrwalrus | What is wrong with this command? --> ps --sort=cputime -A -o pid,cputime,command |
| 19:50.20 | bbrazil | Jon`: no problem |
| 19:50.23 | valdyn | sniperjo: anything |
| 19:50.30 | yang | wamphyri: there is no k8 package |
| 19:50.40 | cmdrwalrus | It doesn't sort for me... It shows the 'cputime' column, and it's totally in random order. |
| 19:50.44 | wamphyri | Linux nocturnal 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8 #1 Sun Nov 27 02:00:16 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:50.47 | wamphyri | you surE? |
| 19:50.52 | wamphyri | lol |
| 19:50.56 | cheal | !tell yang about sempron |
| 19:51.03 | yang | wamphyri: i am not running 64bit sempron |
| 19:51.16 | wamphyri | well the k7 will work i know that |
| 19:51.23 | sniperjo | valdyn: "it tells me its a directory" |
| 19:51.45 | valdyn | sniperjo: /dev/usb/lp0 is a directory? |
| 19:51.53 | yang | but mine sempron is socket A |
| 19:52.09 | valdyn | sniperjo: certainly not... |
| 19:52.13 | sniperjo | valdyn: oh large file, I did folder |
| 19:52.24 | wamphyri | yang compile your own kernel then |
| 19:52.36 | wamphyri | yang that would be the next best thing |
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| 19:52.56 | yang | wamphyri: ok i think it is gonna work, i have kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 now installexd |
| 19:53.03 | Zap-W | how to stop console from going black and idle |
| 19:53.06 | cmdrwalrus | If it's a socket A, wouldn't it just be a renamed/rebranded Athlon? |
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| 19:53.21 | cmdrwalrus | ...with a few refinements. |
| 19:53.21 | wamphyri | yang i don't see why it wouldn't |
| 19:53.22 | Zap-W | s/and/when |
| 19:53.28 | Zap-W | besides using setterm |
| 19:53.59 | grendal_prime | i got a questoni about dependencies. I have an app that i want to install but it requires files from testing...I have a desktop..the 3.4 installed...i thought it would handle apps that needed earlyer libs from 3.3 (kde that is)??? |
| 19:54.00 | cmdrwalrus | zap-w: press shift key. :-P |
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| 19:54.07 | Zap-W | ? |
| 19:54.12 | stew | Zap-W: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
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| 19:54.15 | sniperjo | valdyn: like cat /home/ftp/Sciencs.pdf > /dev/usb/lp0 ? |
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| 19:54.26 | valdyn | sniperjo: yea |
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| 19:54.54 | valdyn | sniperjo: as soon as your printer acts up just Ctrl-C and switch your printer off and on |
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| 19:55.23 | valdyn | sniperjo: unless you want to waste a ton of paper ) |
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| 19:55.45 | sniperjo | valdyn: ok :P |
| 19:55.49 | icedp | Hi! Tell me please, is there any softphone for linux with g723/g729 codec support? |
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| 19:56.12 | sniperjo | nothing is haperning tho |
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| 19:56.40 | grendal_prime | icedp, shitload of them i believe |
| 19:56.48 | grendal_prime | try kphone |
| 19:57.16 | valdyn | sniperjo: does that printer work at all ever? |
| 19:57.34 | sniperjo | valdyn: on a windows it did |
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| 19:58.45 | goron | !kde2.4 |
| 19:58.47 | goron | !kde3.4 |
| 19:58.48 | dpkg | KDE 3.4 is finally in etch. parts of kde were removed for the 3.4 transition so the metapacakge that installs everything can't be installed, but many of its individual components can be installed |
| 19:59.38 | grendal_prime | goron, ...i still a little fuzzy on exactly what that means...and how it will work for me |
| 19:59.43 | somePriest | Can anyone recommend any books on reading code? I have the practice of programming, and I may buy "Code Reading" |
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| 20:00.27 | somePriest | Maybe as it relates to coding for LInux, or examples that relate to such? |
| 20:00.29 | bluknight | morning, everyone. Having some problems with pam_ldap under Sarge. I suspect a possible bug with either libpam_ldap or ssh, based on packet traces, but I'd like someone to sanity check my work. Anyone familiar enough with the configuration to give me a hand? |
| 20:00.31 | goron | grendal_prime: ? |
| 20:00.36 | Tortel | laa |
| 20:00.40 | VITIHO | Hi all, is it possible to add ipsec route so all traffic to 3 C class networks would go through single VPN tunnel (right now I'm using openswan for VPN tunnel) |
| 20:00.42 | grendal_prime | kde 3.4 |
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| 20:00.56 | grendal_prime | i mean i want to install an app that ...hmmm |
| 20:00.57 | valdyn | sniperjo: can you read german? |
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| 20:01.07 | sniperjo | valdyn: no sadly not, why :P |
| 20:01.16 | goron | grendal_prime: I just wanted to know whether Debian Testing has 3.4. :) |
| 20:01.17 | bribar | is there a manpage besides interfaces describing eth0 and driver module interaction..im haveing to manually remove and re-insert my eth0 driver modules to get my ethernet up? |
| 20:01.26 | goron | grendal_prime: Unrelated to what you want. |
| 20:01.29 | grendal_prime | o |
| 20:01.34 | valdyn | sniperjo: because i have a german report here about your issue ( though for suse ) |
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| 20:01.50 | grendal_prime | well i have an app that is asking for things from the 3.3 desktop |
| 20:01.50 | sniperjo | oh, can u read german? |
| 20:01.53 | goron | !gnome |
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| 20:01.54 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 20:01.55 | grendal_prime | it is in unstable |
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| 20:01.58 | grendal_prime | kflog |
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| 20:02.46 | sniperjo | valdyn: you or I could use http://www.google.co.uk/language_tools?hl=en |
| 20:02.47 | Baeaeken | Okay, so when I look at websites with too many pictures, my X or something goes mad...the screen get's covered by a blur...ideas? |
| 20:02.54 | grendal_prime | i have a mixed enviro...now because of the confussion with the frezzing of testing and movement of packages to stable..(nice for the new systems i built thats for sure) but my laptop is a bit conffused |
| 20:03.39 | grendal_prime | i mean goron look at this error...im makes no sence to me |
| 20:03.41 | grendal_prime | kflog: |
| 20:03.41 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.42 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.24 | stew | grendal_prime: there is no kflog in testing, you can either remove it or use kflog from sid |
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| 20:04.48 | grendal_prime | im trying to use kfog from sid |
| 20:04.52 | stew | grendal_prime: kflog was probably removed so that the qt transition could take place and it hasn't yet re-migrated to testing |
| 20:05.02 | stew | !depends kflog |
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| 20:05.06 | dpkg | kflog: depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.3), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfam0c102, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), ... |
| 20:05.20 | goron | grendal_prime: It has been a year since I last used Debian. |
| 20:05.28 | valdyn | sniperjo: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/hplip_readme.html |
| 20:05.46 | stew | grendal_prime: it should be depending on libqt3-mt not the c102 version. you should file a grave bug on kflog |
| 20:05.47 | sniperjo | valdyn: My printer is an Office jet |
| 20:05.50 | grendal_prime | stew..think a foce would work on it...given what we know about those particular pkgs? |
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| 20:06.13 | stew | grendal_prime: you should rebuild the deb from source after changing the control file to fix the dependency |
| 20:06.29 | wamphyri | could somone help me or point me into a direction so i can install nvidia-glx in debian amd64? |
| 20:06.30 | grendal_prime | hmm...sounds like two things i know nothing about |
| 20:06.47 | grendal_prime | i could build from source though...think that would be too complicated? |
| 20:06.52 | valdyn | sniperjo: yep, its listed ther |
| 20:07.02 | stew | !dbugs 327992 |
| 20:07.06 | dpkg | #327992:G[kflog] kflog: uninstallable; needs rebuild for the Qt/KDE transition; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:05:58 UTC |
| 20:07.27 | sniperjo | valdyn: I have tried to instal hplip |
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| 20:08.38 | bribar | is there a way to get back to the testing version of gcc from the unstable version using apt-get? |
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| 20:09.07 | sniperjo | valdyn: this was what I was following http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#usb |
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| 20:09.16 | stew | grendal_prime: apt-get fakeroot build-essential; apt-get build-dep kflog; apt-get -b source kflog |
| 20:09.23 | surgeon | stew , valdyn , i've installed a 2.6.8 kernel now |
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| 20:09.50 | valdyn | surgeon: and? is your nic found? |
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| 20:10.17 | valdyn | sniperjo: you did use the debian packages though did you? |
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| 20:10.26 | Baeaeken | Why does my X freak out when looking at "too many" pictures in firefox? |
| 20:10.26 | surgeon | what do you mean with found? do you mean if ifconfig shows it? |
| 20:10.38 | valdyn | surgeon: after a reboot, yea |
| 20:10.41 | sniperjo | valdyn: well I used apt-get install hplip |
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| 20:11.02 | sniperjo | valdyn: and then after I tried downloading it from source forge and making it |
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| 20:12.11 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, its a feature |
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| 20:12.30 | psychonate | yays I can finally print via 'lp' and 'lpr,' which means I can print from FF now :) |
| 20:12.39 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: Najs ;) |
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| 20:12.52 | goron | I want to use an open system(Linux/BSD) on my desktop. I have used Debian >2 years, also a BSD-variant+-1 year, but the system needs to much maintainance(e.g. auto-configuration of sound system would be nice for the new OS). OTOH, I like new software(I now run KDE3.4.3 and Gnome2.12). So, I want to be able to tinker around also, but only when *I* feel like doing it, not when the system decides to f*ck up. I also need development packages. What is the "be |
| 20:12.57 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, how much memory.. firefox can be a slut |
| 20:12.57 | psychonate | I think this cupsys-bsd package was what I needed |
| 20:13.10 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: But I enjoyed Windoze error messages better =P |
| 20:13.16 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: 1 Gig |
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| 20:13.29 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, youre a freak ;) |
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| 20:13.38 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: =P |
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| 20:15.01 | Jon` | quick question, how do you do a find in vi? |
| 20:15.09 | sniperjo | valdyn: should I uninstall hplip and install hpljs |
| 20:15.09 | Jon` | i remember knowing how to do it once but it's been a while |
| 20:15.14 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, any real error message? |
| 20:15.30 | surgeon | valdyn: ifconfig eth0 says: device not found |
| 20:15.37 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: No, the screen just becomes a blur =/ |
| 20:16.28 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: Or, the screen is covered with small tingeish dots, red, blue, green and so on... |
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| 20:16.39 | stew | Jon`: hit /regex<enter> |
| 20:16.41 | abrotman | Baeaeken: stop moving your head so fast! |
| 20:16.51 | stew | Jon`: where regex is a regular expression |
| 20:17.01 | Baeaeken | abrotman: Ah, first I thought it was the beer, but now I see... |
| 20:17.09 | Jon` | stew, thanks |
| 20:17.16 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, the office chairs are not spinning fun seats :) |
| 20:17.28 | stew | Jon`: ? is backwards, n will go to the next result |
| 20:17.32 | abrotman | or don't see |
| 20:17.45 | grendal_prime | hmm stew...no source..entry in sources i fear |
| 20:17.53 | grendal_prime | holdon |
| 20:17.58 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: So, why do they have this spin-feature anyway? =P |
| 20:18.05 | stew | grendal_prime: copy a deb line and make it deb-src and apt-get update |
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| 20:18.41 | grendal_prime | ya working it now |
| 20:18.49 | abrotman | stew: your logic is too logical! |
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| 20:18.53 | prp | can someone help me with an easy sound card instalation howto (2,6/alsa) for a bigginer friend of mine ? i can't find anything on google to help him |
| 20:18.54 | orinoco | hello |
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| 20:18.56 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, hmm are the 'dots' more like blocks? |
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| 20:19.05 | Flatron | hello. I would like to use Debian, and I started download, but on SuSE I had a problem with the ACPI. The kernel handeles my ACPI bad, and the system frozen. I must run the "chkconfig powersaved off". My question is if it can happed on debian, and if yes, how could I stop powersaved under debian. |
| 20:19.08 | orinoco | i have an off-topic question for english people |
| 20:19.18 | orinoco | can someone tell me whats the meaning of turn the screw on |
| 20:19.28 | EdibleText | orinoco, I *before* e .. oh |
| 20:19.28 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: You mean like...squares? Yeap, squares. |
| 20:19.53 | stew | Flatron: pass acpi=off or noacpi to the kernel, and there are debian tools that are equiv. to chkconfig |
| 20:20.00 | quitte | orinoco: as a non native speaker i_'d think: put more pressure on |
| 20:20.01 | orinoco | what? |
| 20:20.02 | michael | how do I install the kernel source and where is it located then? |
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| 20:20.19 | abrotman | orinoco: context ? |
| 20:20.22 | orinoco | it sounds like that, but i think i need a native speaker |
| 20:20.30 | abrotman | orinoco: you mean "turn the screwS on" ? |
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| 20:20.39 | orinoco | Gibraltarians claimed Mr Aznar's conservative government was using the Aurora as an excuse to turn the |
| 20:20.39 | orinoco | screw on them as part of the 300-year-old row with Britain over sovereignty. |
| 20:20.45 | surgeon | stew, i've installed the new kernel, but eth0 is still not initialised |
| 20:20.45 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, yeas squares is a better description |
| 20:20.59 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, dp you have to restart X? |
| 20:21.04 | Flatron | <stew>: if I set in the bootloader "acpi=off" to kernel parameter, I won't have problem? |
| 20:21.10 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: Yeap. |
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| 20:21.24 | thingfish | yes, put more pressure on is the meaning there. |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | orinoco: fuck over .. screw .. take advantage of .. |
| 20:21.29 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, shared memory on baord video? |
| 20:21.33 | orinoco | o great |
| 20:21.36 | orinoco | thanks |
| 20:21.57 | stew | Flatron: either noacpi or acpi=off may help you but i'm not sure i understand the problem you are having, if its some kernel module you could blacklist the kernel module |
| 20:22.07 | stew | surgeon: what nic is it? |
| 20:22.27 | orinoco | are you sure? |
| 20:22.29 | orinoco | XD |
| 20:22.33 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: Hm? |
| 20:22.36 | wamphyri | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.39 | wamphyri | doh |
| 20:22.47 | Flatron | stew: But What should I do this acpi=off or noacpi??? Write to a config file or what??? |
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| 20:23.04 | EdibleText | Baeaeken, seperate video card or onboard video (sharing system ram) |
| 20:23.10 | michael | how do I install the kernel source and where is it located then? |
| 20:23.13 | grendal_prime | so stew what exactly is this doing? |
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| 20:23.29 | grendal_prime | apt-get fakeroot build-essential; apt-get build-dep kflog; apt-get -b source kflog |
| 20:23.54 | grendal_prime | i mean i know what it looks like its doing...but....just wondering if you could....solidify |
| 20:23.54 | valdyn | surgeon: the stuff i read was about using 2.6.11 for your NIC, i have no idea when support it was added |
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| 20:24.19 | Baeaeken | EdibleText: Aha, it's a separate. |
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| 20:24.37 | stew | grendal_prime: downloading fakeroot and b-e are the packages needed for building generically, "build-dep kflog" looks at the source pacakge for kflog and installs all the packages needed for building kflog, "-b source" downloads the source and compiles it, creating .debs for kflog in . |
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| 20:25.07 | teasdsd | How do I login to irc with a name I have registered :P |
| 20:25.08 | surgeon | it is an D-Link DGE-528T Gigabit Adapter... valdyn and stew ; where can i find infos since what kernel version it is supported? |
| 20:25.13 | zdennis | hey all, i've got a cvs server set up, and it works locally, but i cannot get it to work via ssh. It times out... |
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| 20:25.18 | zdennis | any ideas where one might look? |
| 20:25.18 | nubs0r | i cant believe i just got banned from #ubuntu for saying that windows had better audio production software |
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| 20:25.24 | grendal_prime | cool |
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| 20:25.25 | nubs0r | everyone knows that a mac is more suitable for audio production |
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| 20:25.27 | zdennis | <and yes i've been searching google> |
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| 20:25.48 | grendal_prime | is it going to leave me with an installable pkg or ...will it actually install it automatically |
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| 20:26.06 | EdibleText | nubs0r, this is #debian |
| 20:26.09 | Flatron | stew: But what should I do whit acpi=off and noacpi??? Write to a config file or what??? |
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| 20:26.17 | quitte | orinoco: in the mid-ages thumbs where put in devices where you could by a screw put pressure on the thumbs |
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| 20:26.25 | nubs0r | EdibleText, im aware, im just stating that i got banned off the other one so ill be asking and answereing questions here now |
| 20:26.30 | nubs0r | banned for a stupid reason in my opinion too |
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| 20:26.40 | abrotman | nubs0r: then shut up before you get banned from here too |
| 20:26.57 | nubs0r | ? |
| 20:27.01 | grendal_prime | ouch |
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| 20:27.15 | grendal_prime | i was standing a little close...here let me move |
| 20:27.17 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 20:27.30 | abrotman | why would you repeat something that got you banned in one channel |
| 20:27.32 | teasdsd | Valdyn: helllo |
| 20:27.38 | ma3x | is there any autoresponder in KMAIL? |
| 20:27.39 | EdibleText | nubs0r, there is brief threshold for trolling percieved on #debian |
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| 20:27.49 | EdibleText | nubs0r, intended or otherwise |
| 20:28.01 | nubs0r | im not trolling, im simply stating that it was a dumb reason to ban me, thats all |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | nubs0r: so drop it |
| 20:28.07 | nubs0r | and that ill be coming here, evne though im running ubuntu |
| 20:28.14 | nubs0r | its debian based so i assume things are the same |
| 20:28.19 | nubs0r | abrotman, i did, you just had to bring it up again. |
| 20:28.21 | abrotman | nubs0r: no .. go to #ubuntu .. we do NOT answer ubuntu questions |
| 20:28.26 | blondie | !assume |
| 20:28.26 | dpkg | assume is probably the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 20:28.26 | blondie | hmm |
| 20:28.29 | abrotman | !tell nubs0r about ubuntu |
| 20:28.34 | SimonRaven | no they aren't. you assume wrongly |
| 20:28.43 | abrotman | nubs0r: and they are not the same .. one is ubuntu .. and one is debian |
| 20:28.46 | ViViD | what program is the 'll' command? |
| 20:28.46 | nubs0r | i got banned from #ubuntu..can you not read? |
| 20:28.54 | Jon` | hmm, my apache is going to localhost/apache2-default/, but i can't find what .conf thats set it like that |
| 20:28.55 | blondie | nubs0r: we should care, why? |
| 20:28.57 | abrotman | nubs0r: does it look like it's my problem? .. |
| 20:29.00 | teasdsd | Valdyn: helllo |
| 20:29.02 | SimonRaven | tough. that's your own fault |
| 20:29.07 | nubs0r | im just telling you, thats why ill be asking questions here. |
| 20:29.13 | grendal_prime | its kinda like...well compairing redhat and mandrake |
| 20:29.14 | EdibleText | nubs0r, we welcome you to support #debian |
| 20:29.17 | blondie | nubs0r: and we won't be answering them |
| 20:29.17 | quitte | does abrotman msg all day or cant i see any messages from him on this server? |
| 20:29.24 | SimonRaven | no you won't |
| 20:29.27 | EdibleText | nubs0r, or to get support for debian |
| 20:29.29 | abrotman | nubs0r: no .. we don't answer ubuntu question . if you want ubuntu help .. go to #ubuntu |
| 20:29.33 | abrotman | !tell nubs0r about d-i |
| 20:29.35 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 20:29.42 | teasdsd | Guys I was just loged in and my connection droped, how long is the time out on IRC ? |
| 20:29.59 | grendal_prime | hey...I WANT HELP WITH KNOPPIX TO!! |
| 20:30.00 | nubs0r | abrotman, it didnt tell me anyhting.. |
| 20:30.00 | abrotman | teasdsd: depends on a few variables |
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| 20:30.05 | surgeon | stew: where can i download a debian package for kernel 2.6.12? |
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| 20:30.09 | abrotman | nubs0r: i guess the bot hates you |
| 20:30.13 | orinoco | abrotman, there's another question: is that well said ? On 4th August 1704 they beat the Gibraltar's garrison after a big bombing |
| 20:30.14 | p8m | haha |
| 20:30.16 | teasdsd | Can somone kick sniperjo then plz :P |
| 20:30.30 | abrotman | teasdsd: is it a registered nick ? |
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| 20:30.32 | quitte | teasdsd: /msg nickserv help. you can release your nick if you registered |
| 20:30.45 | teasdsd | abrotman: yes its mine |
| 20:30.53 | madradrone | what is ? it looks like a square box with 4 symbols in it on my display |
| 20:31.00 | abrotman | teasdsd: no . is it registered with nickserv ? |
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| 20:31.09 | nubs0r | does anyone know why SugarCRM says that mysql is unavailable |
| 20:31.09 | abrotman | madradrone: UTF |
| 20:31.11 | nubs0r | even though i can log into it just fine. |
| 20:31.18 | abrotman | nubs0r: FFS go to #ubuntu |
| 20:31.18 | thingfish | orinoco: sounds ok to me, except maybe the "the" before Gibralter's. |
| 20:31.21 | nubs0r | i cnat continue with the installation |
| 20:31.24 | madradrone | i'm using utf. am i not? |
| 20:31.28 | quitte | madradrone: some unicode letter |
| 20:31.29 | ma3x | how can I have autoresponder!?!? |
| 20:31.29 | abrotman | are you ? |
| 20:31.29 | nubs0r | this isnt an OS dependant question |
| 20:31.32 | orinoco | great |
| 20:31.33 | grendal_prime | if i install a base madrake system and then install apt and upgrade to ubunto will you guys help me out for free if i use debian to chat with you? |
| 20:31.37 | orinoco | thanks |
| 20:31.40 | abrotman | nubs0r: then go ask #sugarcrm |
| 20:31.45 | cheal | nubs0r: you could try asking #windows |
| 20:31.46 | quitte | madradrone: yes. but your font doesnt support that letter |
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| 20:31.53 | nubs0r | i dont use windows. |
| 20:31.56 | abrotman | nubs0r: then go ask #sugarcrm |
| 20:31.56 | teasdsd | how do I get my name back please ? |
| 20:32.01 | nubs0r | i am.. |
| 20:32.01 | nubs0r | relax |
| 20:32.03 | blondie | nubs0r: you don't use debian either |
| 20:32.04 | EdibleText | nubs0r, do you use debian? |
| 20:32.07 | abrotman | teasdsd: are you registered with nickserv ? |
| 20:32.10 | abrotman | EdibleText: no .. Ubuntu |
| 20:32.12 | teasdsd | yea I am |
| 20:32.19 | madradrone | FreeSans in xterm. guess not |
| 20:32.24 | abrotman | teasdsd: /msg nickserv help .. look at .. uhm.. Ghost i think it is |
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| 20:32.37 | EdibleText | abrotman, i was enganging in socratic dialogue :) |
| 20:32.46 | abrotman | rhetoric ? |
| 20:33.01 | De_Mon | grendal_prime sure -- if you can peproduce the problems on your debian machine |
| 20:33.03 | EdibleText | i wanted hi to say no, unbuntu |
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| 20:33.06 | madradrone | printf '\xe2\x98\xaf\n' |
| 20:33.07 | EdibleText | hi him |
| 20:33.23 | De_Mon | *reproduce |
| 20:33.26 | michael | where is the src located of the kernel that I'm currently running? It's 2.4.27-2-i686 |
| 20:33.28 | EdibleText | i should stio eating mashed potatos with my fingers |
| 20:33.56 | quitte | michael: kernel-source-2.4.27 propably |
| 20:34.00 | madradrone | printf "\xe2\x82\xac\n" this one works... |
| 20:34.08 | nubs0r | micheal should be /usr/src |
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| 20:34.16 | teasdsd | how do I access my name after I kill it with ghost ? |
| 20:34.20 | abrotman | michael: have you installed the source ? |
| 20:34.28 | quitte | michael: but i have some weird feeling you actually want kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 20:34.28 | blondie | teasdsd: type /nick ? |
| 20:34.32 | surgeon | stew, valdyn, still there? |
| 20:34.41 | nubs0r | michael, why is your kernel so outdated anyway |
| 20:34.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe De_Mon nooo that would be tooo easy |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | sniperjo: now register your nick like normal |
| 20:34.55 | stew | surgeon: yes |
| 20:34.58 | stew | nubs0r: that isn't outdated |
| 20:35.01 | abrotman | nubs0r: his kernel is not outdated .. STOP TROLLING |
| 20:35.02 | sniperjo | Thankyou ! |
| 20:35.07 | stew | michael: why do you need kernel source? |
| 20:35.11 | De_Mon | grendal_prime nah, you know what would be too easy? to just say NO and point you to the topic |
| 20:35.14 | nubs0r | abrotman, 2.6 is out isnt it? |
| 20:35.16 | quitte | nubs0r: it's not. it's the latest sarge 2.4 kernel |
| 20:35.17 | nubs0r | 2.6-12 |
| 20:35.22 | sniperjo | IRC is a maze to me ... :P |
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| 20:35.36 | stew | nubs0r: he is running the currently supported 2.4 kernel in debian stable |
| 20:35.39 | grendal_prime | true... |
| 20:35.39 | nubs0r | Linux scheduler 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Fri Nov 18 11:51:02 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:35.44 | abrotman | nubs0r: shut up .. you have no idea what you're talking about .. you are NOT running debian |
| 20:35.44 | EdibleText | blondie, bring dpkg with you. s/he's a freak |
| 20:35.46 | blondie | hmmm |
| 20:36.00 | madradrone | its odd, because i have konsole, gnome-terminal, and urxvt supposedly all using bitstream vera sans, but only gnome-terminal is displaying printf '\xe2\x98\xaf\n' correct |
| 20:36.03 | nubs0r | abrotman, if anything you're trolling, why not just stop talking to me instead of instigating problems? |
| 20:36.05 | blondie | nubs0r: come now |
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| 20:36.16 | abrotman | nubs0r: because you're completely wrong? |
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| 20:36.27 | sniperjo | IS anyone here usiing CUPS with HPLIP ? |
| 20:36.29 | Tortel | how can I change power setting in gnome? |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | nubs0r: and giving out false information |
| 20:36.32 | binks | hello |
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| 20:36.36 | nubs0r | im sorry but there is a 2.6 kernel out |
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| 20:36.44 | stew | michael: you likely only need kernel headers, which means that you should apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and the headers would be in /lib/modules/$(uanme -r)/build |
| 20:36.45 | blondie | nubs0r: really? |
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| 20:36.52 | Fox_1_ | sniperjo i use |
| 20:36.53 | blondie | I'm still using 2.2 |
| 20:36.54 | juu | is there somebody who use cedega? |
| 20:36.55 | quitte | nubs0r: stfu |
| 20:36.56 | stew | nubs0r: yes but 2.4 and 2.6 are both supported |
| 20:36.58 | EdibleText | nubs0r, 2.4.27 is not obsoleted by the release of a new kernel version |
| 20:37.02 | misieq | how do i enable mouse scroll?? |
| 20:37.03 | abrotman | nubs0r: have you tried #ubuntu ? |
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| 20:37.08 | grendal_prime | is there an anger management channel? |
| 20:37.11 | cheal | nubs0r: wow, where did you get the news? |
| 20:37.14 | blondie | nubs0r is in #ubuntu |
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| 20:37.17 | grendal_prime | they should put it right next to the flood |
| 20:37.20 | numist | !afo |
| 20:37.20 | dpkg | anyone for ops! |
| 20:37.21 | quitte | nubs0r: now im finally sure you got banned for a reason |
| 20:37.25 | nubs0r | i couldnt get scsi working |
| 20:37.27 | Fox_1_ | sniperjo i use |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | blondie: he's been banned from there .. he's not running Debian .. but thinks he should ask here |
| 20:37.29 | numist | anyone? I thought it said abrotman |
| 20:37.33 | sniperjo | Fox_1: can u help me, I can send a test page to my printer which it says it has completed but nothing prints |
| 20:37.36 | abrotman | numist: it's a random thing |
| 20:37.38 | blondie | abrotman: I know |
| 20:37.40 | nubs0r | i got banned for saying that windows has better audio production |
| 20:37.42 | numist | abrotman: oh... hrm |
| 20:37.49 | numist | abrotman: would !nfo work then? |
| 20:37.50 | abrotman | numist: there are only three options .. |
| 20:37.52 | myren | nubs0r: where? |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | numist: try !rfo :) |
| 20:37.58 | nubs0r | #ubuntu |
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| 20:38.03 | numist | !rfo |
| 20:38.03 | dpkg | raz0 for ops! |
| 20:38.05 | numist | hah |
| 20:38.12 | quitte | nubs0r: after telling all kind of bullshit previously |
| 20:38.18 | binks | hi dudes quicky if i have a p4 prescott core can i run x86 64 debs |
| 20:38.18 | raz0 | Uhm. |
| 20:38.20 | nubs0r | no. |
| 20:38.23 | stew | nubs0r: /msg an op from #ubuntu, we can't help you |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | binks: is it a 64bit cpu ? |
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| 20:38.34 | nubs0r | i did, he said i was trolling |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | you're trolling here also |
| 20:38.40 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:38.42 | blondie | nubs0r: you probably were |
| 20:38.44 | nubs0r | how am i trolling by stating that windows actually has some apps that just arent available for linux |
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| 20:38.46 | myren | i do not see any whale penii in the room, nor would i wager they know much about x86-64 or prescott |
| 20:38.48 | stew | nubs0r: sorry. is there anything debian related we can help you with? |
| 20:38.51 | binks | no but someon in ati chans says it supports 64 bit |
| 20:38.52 | quitte | nubs0r: and you are now again |
| 20:38.59 | nubs0r | how is this trolling? |
| 20:39.04 | misieq | binks, you mean x86_64? |
| 20:39.16 | abrotman | binks: what speed is the CPU ? |
| 20:39.17 | blondie | nubs0r: how old are you? |
| 20:39.20 | EdibleText | nubs0r, if three people call you a horse, buy a saddle! |
| 20:39.21 | nubs0r | 16 |
| 20:39.24 | binks | 3gig |
| 20:39.30 | stew | nubs0r: its just off-topic. unless you have anything on-topic for #debian, kindly move on |
| 20:39.31 | goron | On #debian this pattern always emerges from time to time. All the informed people vs the n00b... Pretty amusing. |
| 20:39.32 | myren | nubs0r: of course it does. they're different OS's. if you want to go run apps that only run on windows, go run them on windows and leave us alone. |
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| 20:39.40 | blondie | nubs0r: hmm |
| 20:39.42 | nubs0r | myren, listen |
| 20:39.46 | nubs0r | you guys dont know the story |
| 20:39.51 | sniperjo | IS anyone here usiing CUPS with HPLIP ? |
| 20:39.52 | abrotman | binks: ask #hardware if that is an EM64T CPU .. i don't think it is .. if it is .. come back here .. tell us you have the x86-64 cpu |
| 20:39.52 | stew | nubs0r: we don't want to hear it |
| 20:39.52 | nubs0r | some guy mentioned that therse a lack of audio apps for linux |
| 20:39.57 | stew | nubs0r: stop |
| 20:39.58 | nubs0r | i mentioned, hey, theres reason for mac and windows, try that |
| 20:40.00 | nubs0r | and then i got banned |
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| 20:40.06 | nubs0r | stew, stfu you moron |
| 20:40.07 | abrotman | nubs0r: do you have Debian installed ? or are you trying to install it ? |
| 20:40.09 | binks | ok brb |
| 20:40.14 | foo | How can I have debian start with Num Lock on ? |
| 20:40.14 | bucky | !tell nubs0r about d-i |
| 20:40.14 | stew | !ops nubs0r off topic and trolling |
| 20:40.14 | nubs0r | abrotman, i have debian on another machine |
| 20:40.18 | quitte | nubs0r: we dont want to hear the story |
| 20:40.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: nubs0r off topic and trolling |
| 20:40.19 | myren | if your point is that windows has the app you need a nd linux doesnt, we really dont care, we're sorry. go talk to someone who builds sound apps and might care and tell them whats missing. |
| 20:40.19 | EdibleText | nubs0r, we dont care about the story its only importnant to you. if you wasn to remain in #debian sit back and relax |
| 20:40.21 | abrotman | nubs0r: really .. which version ? |
| 20:40.39 | myren | Hey, I need a usenet reader. Preferably console based. Suggestion please |
| 20:40.40 | nubs0r | so then dont tel me that i was trolling if you dont even know what happened |
| 20:40.45 | mentor | hmmm |
| 20:40.51 | nubs0r | abrotman, i had a net install 3.1 disc |
| 20:40.55 | myren | ?suggest usenet reader.... we totally need triggers for this shit |
| 20:40.55 | Shadowcat | nubs0r: stop whining |
| 20:40.57 | bucky | nubs0r: #ubuntuforums is a good channel |
| 20:40.58 | nubs0r | abrotman, i have it set up with fluxbox |
| 20:41.00 | stew | nubs0r: your reason for getting banned in #ubuntu is off topic here |
| 20:41.09 | Shadowcat | we don't care about ubuntu |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | nubs0r: which version ? |
| 20:41.11 | nubs0r | stew so then stop bringing it up, idiot |
| 20:41.17 | p8m | myren: emacs + Gnus |
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| 20:41.21 | nubs0r | abrotman, sarge, i dont know what version precisely |
| 20:41.21 | Shadowcat | !tell nubs0r about stfu |
| 20:41.27 | mentor | stop that |
| 20:41.27 | Baeaeken | ef |
| 20:41.27 | myren | eeevvviiiilllllll |
| 20:41.30 | abrotman | nubs0r: so your problems with SugarCRM are on an Ubuntu box ? |
| 20:41.33 | sniperjo | CAn anyone help me here? I have SARGE and CUPS and I print a test page , it says it is completed but nothing prints. anyone have any ideas why ? |
| 20:41.41 | nubs0r | abrotman, they're the same on debian |
| 20:41.41 | mentor | nubs0r: I'm sorry, but we are unable to support Ubuntu in this channel. |
| 20:41.45 | myren | someone ban p8m for suggesting something other than the One True editor |
| 20:41.50 | nubs0r | abrotman, the mysql database isnt being picked up by sugarcrm |
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| 20:42.06 | surgeon | stew: is there a package for an 2.8.12 kernel for debian? or how can i install my NIC? |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | nubs0r: but the current box is Ubuntu ? |
| 20:42.20 | blondie | 2.8.12? |
| 20:42.27 | blondie | surgeon: you mean 2.6.12 yes? |
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| 20:42.36 | nubs0r | abrotman, the box im chatting through yes, i use it as a desktop because it detected my hardware with 0 effort and it still had apt |
| 20:42.52 | surgeon | blondie: yes |
| 20:42.55 | abrotman | nubs0r: and the box you're install sugarcrm is ubuntu ? |
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| 20:43.07 | nubs0r | abrotman, i tried on my debian box which i use as a server |
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| 20:43.09 | blondie | surgeon: well there is for testing/unstable, but not stable |
| 20:43.13 | MiT0 | hi all ppl, I've got dependencies problem on Sarge, |
| 20:43.16 | nubs0r | abrotman, now i just tried on here, but its the same thing |
| 20:43.17 | abrotman | nubs0r: that's not what i asked you .. do you have a reading problem? |
| 20:43.19 | tictac | nubs0r: read the fucking topic. this is #debian not |
| 20:43.19 | MiT0 | I can't install digicam |
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| 20:43.24 | tictac | #ubuntu |
| 20:43.28 | surgeon | blondie: is this a problem? where can i get it? |
| 20:43.28 | grendal_prime | stew, got a problem |
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| 20:43.30 | MiT0 | anyone can help ? |
| 20:43.33 | foampeace | hi |
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| 20:43.40 | nubs0r | abrotman, heres what you asked "and the box you're install sugarcrm is ubuntu?" it doesnt make sense. |
| 20:43.40 | foampeace | is there a mass ban in ubuntu? |
| 20:43.41 | blondie | surgeon: what version of debian? |
| 20:43.44 | mentor | tictac: I think the situation is in hand, you are not helping |
| 20:43.51 | surgeon | blondie: 3.1 |
| 20:43.53 | grendal_prime | wasnt thinking and it ask me if i wanted to shutdown the session manager...i told it yes |
| 20:43.57 | blondie | foampeace: apparently so |
| 20:43.57 | abrotman | nubs0r: honestly .. you've pissed off enough people .. you're not likely to get any help here |
| 20:44.05 | cheal | MiT0: perhaps #debian-kde, but you'll need to provide more information |
| 20:44.05 | cahoot | MiT0: running etch/testing? |
| 20:44.06 | foampeace | blondie: you are banned? |
| 20:44.08 | svamp | hi, i have debian 3.1, but it is german... how can i change that? i have tried dpkg-reconfigre locals |
| 20:44.08 | blondie | yes |
| 20:44.08 | grendal_prime | soooo it shoutdown what apt was working on as well |
| 20:44.09 | goron | Talking about bans... How can you see who's banned from a channel? |
| 20:44.10 | abrotman | nubs0r: or come back in a few hours |
| 20:44.16 | blondie | goron: type /ban(s) |
| 20:44.17 | nubs0r | abrotman, under a different name lol |
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| 20:44.24 | tictac | mentor: well. it makes no sense that people dont read the topic. |
| 20:44.24 | sniperjo | CAn anyone help me here? I have SARGE and CUPS and I print a test page , it says it is completed but nothing prints. anyone have any ideas why ? Anyone Pleaaaase |
| 20:44.24 | foampeace | maybe microsoft is moving in :< |
| 20:44.25 | abrotman | nubs0r: whatever floats your boat |
| 20:44.27 | nubs0r | abrotman, they only hate me because i run ubuntu, thats not even a proper reason |
| 20:44.27 | grendal_prime | tried runing the same commands but i get an error |
| 20:44.28 | MiT0 | anyone ? |
| 20:44.34 | EdibleText | nubs0r, your either going to have to lei convincingly or actually attempt your surgercrm on a #debian box to get support here |
| 20:44.35 | myren | how do i query popcon to see what is most popular; slrn, trn, nn, tin,?? |
| 20:44.37 | blondie | surgeon: erm apt-get cache kernel-image |
| 20:44.38 | abrotman | nubs0r: in #debian .. when you ask for Ubuntu help .. it is |
| 20:44.42 | Shadowcat | nubs0r: let's get one thing straight |
| 20:44.44 | mentor | goron: Most clients have the ability to display the ban list in a window or some such |
| 20:44.45 | Shadowcat | this is #debian |
| 20:44.47 | Shadowcat | if you run debian |
| 20:44.49 | nubs0r | abrotman, why is it such a big deal |
| 20:44.49 | SimonRaven | /bans |
| 20:44.49 | Shadowcat | we help you |
| 20:44.50 | nubs0r | fine i understand |
| 20:44.53 | bucky | nubs0r: guess what! ubuntu sucks |
| 20:44.53 | quitte | nubs0r: no the reason is you. not the os you are using |
| 20:44.59 | nubs0r | i didnt think you guys are so religious about it |
| 20:45.00 | Shadowcat | if you don't, we make a fool out of you and insult you to no end |
| 20:45.00 | nubs0r | linux is linux |
| 20:45.03 | bucky | nubs0r: guess what! ubuntu sucks |
| 20:45.04 | foampeace | bucky: ok does it? why? |
| 20:45.04 | Shadowcat | and that's the way it is |
| 20:45.04 | abrotman | nubs0r: because Ubuntu IS NOT debian .. it's not hard |
| 20:45.06 | MiT0 | to hell with it, I just run out of ideas |
| 20:45.07 | nubs0r | all the distros use the linux kernel dont they? |
| 20:45.07 | MiT0 | am9:44 PM Wed Nov 30] [root@defiant]:/home/mito# apt-get install digik |
| 20:45.07 | MiT0 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:45.07 | MiT0 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:45.07 | MiT0 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 20:45.07 | MiT0 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
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| 20:45.10 | mentor | bucky: Don't so that |
| 20:45.14 | goron | thank you all |
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| 20:45.23 | EdibleText | bucky, show a little love please |
| 20:45.25 | foampeace | should i go back to debian? |
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| 20:45.37 | bucky | foampeace: because we get all these cry babys in here with their ubuntu server problems |
| 20:45.37 | Shadowcat | you want support with ubuntu, start by not getting banned in that channel |
| 20:45.42 | mentor | heh |
| 20:45.43 | abrotman | nubs0r: #debian cannot support every distro derived from it. please use #ubuntu |
| 20:45.43 | SimonRaven | GRR FFS! FUCKING LAG |
| 20:45.44 | Shadowcat | we DON'T cover ubuntu in ehre |
| 20:45.51 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 20:45.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:45.59 | nubs0r | abrotman, ive been banned, im asking a non OS dependant question |
| 20:45.59 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 20:46.00 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 20:46.06 | quitte | nubs0r: the kernel is the tiniest part of the system. basically it doesnt matter at all. you can even get support here for debian running on a bsd kernel |
| 20:46.06 | nubs0r | god forbid someoen gives a normal straight answer |
| 20:46.07 | foampeace | bucky: understood, you make a valid point. does debian use the synaptic package manager |
| 20:46.13 | svamp | hi, i have debian 3.1, but it is german... how can i change that? i have tried dpkg-reconfigre locals |
| 20:46.13 | abrotman | nubs0r: it is NOT our problem you got banned from #ubuntu |
| 20:46.22 | svamp | locales* |
| 20:46.26 | bucky | foampeace: i don't know.. never use synaptic |
| 20:46.28 | nubs0r | abrotman, thank you, i know, but stop telling me to join there, when i cant even ask anyone for help |
| 20:46.30 | blondie | foampeace: I can join from another hostname |
| 20:46.33 | Shadowcat | svamp: dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
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| 20:46.42 | abrotman | nubs0r: then msg the op that banned you .. ask him/her to reconsider .. |
| 20:46.43 | Shadowcat | or was it console-tools |
| 20:46.44 | svamp | thanks :) i try |
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| 20:46.46 | Shadowcat | one of those |
| 20:46.52 | foampeace | does the debian distro include synaptic package manager? |
| 20:46.52 | surgeon | blondie: i dont have access to the internet, can't i download it from a website? |
| 20:46.56 | quitte | nubs0r: fucking do it and leave us alone |
| 20:46.57 | abrotman | foampeace: yes |
| 20:47.06 | nubs0r | abrotman, they're just like you and everyone else here, you mention something that isnt ubuntu/debian andu get banned, i said windows had better games and audio tools, i got banned |
| 20:47.14 | mentor | quitte: don't do that |
| 20:47.18 | foampeace | is debian better then ubuntu? |
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| 20:47.23 | nubs0r | abrotman, im tired of these stupid linux zealots, linux isnt good for EVERYHTING, there are some things that windows has too |
| 20:47.23 | Shadowcat | nubs0r: get over it |
| 20:47.24 | abrotman | nubs0r: i don't care about windows stuff .. you're asking for Ubuntu help in #debian |
| 20:47.29 | nubs0r | theres no reason to start distro wars either |
| 20:47.30 | SimonRaven | !better |
| 20:47.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:47.31 | mentor | foampeace: For some definitions of better |
| 20:47.34 | blondie | surgeon: don't be stupid |
| 20:47.35 | Shadowcat | if you asked about linux in the windows channel I op |
| 20:47.35 | abrotman | nubs0r: and now you are certainly trolling |
| 20:47.37 | Shadowcat | I'd ban you too |
| 20:47.39 | mentor | nubs0r: Where is this SugarCRM pacakge from? |
| 20:47.45 | quitte | mentor sorry. i should have ignored him |
| 20:47.46 | EdibleText | nubs0r, there are channels for those discussions |
| 20:47.47 | nubs0r | mentor, the site. |
| 20:47.50 | abrotman | mentor: there is no .deb for sugarcrm |
| 20:47.56 | mentor | yeah |
| 20:47.56 | tictac | nubs0r: maybe you got banned because people were tired of hearing your mouth. |
| 20:48.00 | Shadowcat | EdibleText: slashdot ;) |
| 20:48.04 | nubs0r | direct me to them, as long as they dont consist of #ubuntu and #sugarcrm, because #sugarcrms users are idle |
| 20:48.06 | abrotman | so not only is the OS not debian .. but it's not even a package for a debian system |
| 20:48.09 | EdibleText | Shadowcat, indeed |
| 20:48.10 | Shadowcat | tictac: now there's a thought |
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| 20:48.15 | mentor | nubs0r: Well, have you tried reading the documentatation that comes with the package? |
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| 20:48.16 | tictac | Shadowcat: :) |
| 20:48.17 | Shadowcat | nubs0r: WE DON'T FUCKING CARE |
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| 20:48.20 | nubs0r | mentor, yes |
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| 20:48.27 | Shadowcat | nubs0r: not stfu, kthx |
| 20:48.30 | Shadowcat | now* |
| 20:48.31 | bucky | nubs0r: you stupid canuck |
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| 20:48.37 | SimonRaven | that's a QOTD: <surgeon> blondie: i dont have access to the internet, can't i download it from a website? |
| 20:48.43 | nubs0r | Shadowcat, shut the fuck up you idiot, if you havent noticed i dont care what you're saying |
| 20:48.45 | *** mode/#Debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 20:48.49 | foampeace | i always enjoy getting to the point where i want to through the distro flavour away and get something else |
| 20:48.51 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@c-9c5f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] by mentor |
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| 20:48.55 | nubs0r | bucky, lol, now you diss canada too |
| 20:49.09 | abrotman | SimonRaven: do eet! |
| 20:49.09 | nubs0r | i can tel you're a bush supporter |
| 20:49.13 | bucky | nubs0r: is everyone in canada as hard headed as you? |
| 20:49.13 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 20:49.17 | abrotman | nubs0r: #politics |
| 20:49.21 | mentor | nubs0r: Well, as SugarCRM isn't in the Debian repository I'm afarid we can't do any more for you |
| 20:49.24 | mtnman | nubs0r: now you are trolling |
| 20:49.24 | tictac | hmm, that was a little much. |
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| 20:49.29 | mentor | nubs0r: If you don't stop now, I'm going to remove you |
| 20:49.30 | foampeace | bucky: i love you |
| 20:49.31 | grendal_prime | ya that just ...umm croaked and really didnd do anything |
| 20:49.33 | nubs0r | mentor, it isnt in the ubuntu repository either |
| 20:49.33 | grendal_prime | bummer |
| 20:49.35 | EdibleText | nubs0r, please calm down and ignore the ad hominims they will only get you banned |
| 20:49.37 | SimonRaven | uh, which factoids do i have to edit? |
| 20:49.38 | nubs0r | mentor, i said its most likely a mysql issue |
| 20:49.38 | abrotman | mentor: can i bribe you with beer? :) |
| 20:49.43 | SimonRaven | wth |
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| 20:49.44 | mentor | yes |
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| 20:49.48 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 20:49.49 | michael | how come I get errors when trying to compile a Cisco VPN module? The source is correct and installed aswell, paths are right, too |
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| 20:49.52 | surgeon | blondie, what do u mean? if i search for packages on debian.org, i just find kernel-build-2.6.8 |
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| 20:50.07 | blondie | surgeon: I already said |
| 20:50.12 | svamp | Shadow-cat i do not get any text with -tools, and i get som german text with -common which i can't understand... is there a command to swicth to english? |
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| 20:50.18 | runedude1 | hello.. anyone got any how to make debian a gateway? |
| 20:50.21 | abrotman | nubs0r: ask #sugarcrm .. ask #ubuntu .. ask #mysql .. but guess what .. it doesn't relate at all to this channel |
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| 20:50.26 | valdyn | surgeon: search for linux-image in testing |
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| 20:50.34 | svamp | Shadowcat* |
| 20:50.35 | tictac | svamp: Shadowcat has been banned, unfortunately. |
| 20:50.35 | m000k | how can i see how much ram i have in my box? i put some in lastnight and i want to see if it read it. |
| 20:50.39 | bucky | and don't forget happy #ubuntuforums |
| 20:50.42 | mjk64 | How the fsck do I tell w3m to display inline images? /usr/share/doc/w3m-img says "Please check w3m package about configuration for w3m-img", but I cannot find *any* hints. |
| 20:50.46 | mentor | svamp: Sorry, I kicked him |
| 20:50.55 | svamp | crap... is there another there can help me :( |
| 20:50.55 | abrotman | m000k: cat /proc/meminfo ? |
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| 20:51.16 | mtnman | mjk64: apt-get install w3m-img |
| 20:51.19 | runedude1 | hello.. anyone got any how to make debian a gateway? i need to setup a router with it so I can use wireless (its working right now) on debian box and then split it up to several other computers |
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| 20:51.26 | PupenoL | How do you add a postfix to a package, like "-0.backports.org.1" on "asterisk_1.0.1-0.backports.org.1" (note: I am making the package). ? |
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| 20:51.34 | mjk64 | mtnman: Did that (as you can conclude from my question ;-), but to no avail. |
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| 20:51.39 | misieq | binks, you mean x86_64? |
| 20:51.39 | mtnman | runedude1: apt-gat install ipmasq and read its docs. |
| 20:51.41 | EdibleText | svamp, you could track him doiwn to another channel |
| 20:51.43 | foampeace | does this channel ever close up shop like ubuntu? |
| 20:51.45 | runedude1 | thanks mtnman |
| 20:51.48 | SimonRaven | mentor: BTW, what was the point of that? |
| 20:51.49 | m000k | Mem: 454877184 how much is that? lol |
| 20:51.50 | misieq | how do i enable mouse scroll?? |
| 20:51.58 | EdibleText | svamp, but stalking isnt reccomended ;) |
| 20:51.58 | mtnman | mjk64: works here. did you restart w3m? are you on console or in X? |
| 20:52.02 | goron | Does Debian also have a clean separation between configuration of system software and 3rd party software, like e.g. FreeBSD? |
| 20:52.06 | mtnman | runedude1: welcome. |
| 20:52.07 | mjk64 | mtnman: fbcon |
| 20:52.14 | Shadowcat | goron: no |
| 20:52.15 | mjk64 | mtnman: Of *course* I restarted w3m. :-) |
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| 20:52.18 | Shadowcat | you configure packages |
| 20:52.26 | mtnman | mjk64: i don't use fbcon, but it works in X over here. |
| 20:52.32 | EdibleText | foampeace, we are on 24/7/365 |
| 20:52.37 | mjk64 | mtnman: Hmm ... will check that ... |
| 20:52.38 | valdyn | goron: not in the same way as freebsd as about everything is already in debian |
| 20:52.41 | SimonRaven | ,25 |
| 20:53.05 | goron | valdyn: Ok, "in Debian" means in the Debian package repos? |
| 20:53.07 | mentor | SimonRaven: It was an appropriate response...I'd said that to enough people already. |
| 20:53.08 | quitte | goron: imho the anser is yes, as debian has no 3rd party software |
| 20:53.13 | valdyn | goron: yep |
| 20:53.22 | mentor | SimonRaven: It was tempered by the fact that I couldn't find the kick button. |
| 20:53.23 | mjk64 | mtnman: Hmf ... in X, it works, but not on fbcon. Any ideas? [No] [No] :-} |
| 20:53.27 | Shadowcat | quitte: uhh? |
| 20:53.37 | SimonRaven | mentor: ok, i missed something then. |
| 20:53.45 | Shadowcat | quitte: you mean debianized source |
| 20:53.50 | mentor | quitte: Well, that's a debate in itself |
| 20:53.55 | goron | valdyn: Well, that's a bit cheating on the definition. FreeBSD also has ports, but considers them to be third party. |
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| 20:54.04 | valdyn | goron: freebsd is written by the same team as its released, that naturally isnt the case with debian, so in debian is only 1 type of software that all gets the same support |
| 20:54.04 | mtnman | mjk64: well check the deps for w3m-img... it depends on xlibs, so i consider that a telling clue. |
| 20:54.28 | quitte | Shadowcat: in bsd all the pkg_add stuff would be 3rd party while in bsd everything you use packages for is 3rd party |
| 20:54.28 | valdyn | goron: yea, in that sense, all of debian is 3rd party |
| 20:54.39 | misieq | how do i enable mouse scroll?? |
| 20:54.43 | michael | how come my kernel-source-2.4.27 doesn't work when trying to compile a Cisco VPC Client? help please! |
| 20:54.45 | Shadowcat | quitte: no there is no such distinction in debian |
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| 20:54.46 | mentor | misieq: terminal or X? |
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| 20:54.54 | misieq | mentor, x |
| 20:54.57 | Shadowcat | michael: because you probably need kernel-headers |
| 20:55.02 | Shadowcat | not kernel source |
| 20:55.12 | goron | valdyn: But much of the software is on Debian servers, and that would make it Debian only again. |
| 20:55.16 | michael | Shadowcat: ahh ... :) let me try this heh :) |
| 20:55.16 | mjk64 | mtnman: Hmm ... a self-compiled w3m (non-Debian) works on another box's framebuffer ... I'll google some more. |
| 20:55.29 | mtnman | mjk64: hmmm. the description says it works in frambuffer, but since i don't use fb, i really can't comment... |
| 20:55.35 | valdyn | goron: arent the ports on bsd servers too? |
| 20:55.43 | mentor | misieq: You need to tell X to use the correct protocol, like imPS/2 (IntelliMouse) and the map the Z Axis to extra buttons (ZAxisMapping) |
| 20:55.46 | goron | valdyn: The ports are, not the software. |
| 20:55.49 | mentor | misieq: Linux 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 20:55.54 | valdyn | goron: ah, i see |
| 20:56.00 | quitte | Shadowcat: anyhow if you really insist to install things that are not debs they should go to usr/local so 3rd party is fully seperated from debian |
| 20:56.02 | PupenoL | Is there a channel more appropriate for packaging questions ? |
| 20:56.04 | misieq | mentor, 2.4 |
| 20:56.08 | mjk64 | How can I check easily if I'm running fbcon or text mode console? |
| 20:56.10 | misieq | mentor, 2.4.27-2 |
| 20:56.15 | runedude1 | mtnman: is there perhaps an easier way to setup ipmasq, it looks very complicated to me, like.. some sort of web interface? |
| 20:56.18 | Shadowcat | quitte: I didn't ask the original question |
| 20:56.24 | mentor | misieq: then you are using /dev/psaux? |
| 20:56.24 | Shadowcat | frankly I don't care |
| 20:56.28 | quitte | PupenoL: just ask your question |
| 20:56.28 | surgeon | valdyn , where do i find 'testing'??? |
| 20:56.34 | PupenoL | quitte: I did. |
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| 20:56.37 | mtnman | runedude1: dunno. i never found it to be so complicated. |
| 20:56.38 | valdyn | surgeon: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 20:56.48 | michael | Shadowcat: where are those headers installed to? do I need to refer the headers directory or the source? |
| 20:56.57 | PupenoL | runedude1: there are a lot of GUI interfaces. |
| 20:56.58 | Shadowcat | michael: you install the header package |
| 20:57.01 | runedude1 | mtnman: well there are like 30 rules in /etc/ipmasq/ and i dont know which one to choose |
| 20:57.06 | quitte | PupenoL: mind to ask again so i can read it? |
| 20:57.09 | misieq | mentor, the easy way please ;) when i was installing debian and it asked me, i said /dev/psaux and the mouse works, so i think that's it |
| 20:57.09 | runedude1 | PupenoL: problem is I dont have X on the gateway |
| 20:57.20 | Shadowcat | shrug |
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| 20:57.27 | Shadowcat | I always point X to /dev/input/mice |
| 20:57.39 | Shadowcat | that way I can use the touchpad as well as the usb mouse |
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| 20:57.39 | PupenoL | runedude1: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=firewalling, look for web or do forwarding (or learn to use iptables). |
| 20:57.43 | PupenoL | quitte: ok. |
| 20:57.44 | mentor | Shad0wcat: That only works in 2.6 |
| 20:57.48 | PupenoL | How do you add a postfix to a package, like "-0.backports.org.1" on "asterisk_1.0.1-0.backports.org.1" (note: I am making the package). ? |
| 20:57.49 | mentor | well. maybe. |
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| 20:57.59 | Shadowcat | mentor: I've never even seen a 2.4 system |
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| 20:58.08 | Shadowcat | that's now long I've been using Linux |
| 20:58.09 | quitte | PupenoL: debian/control |
| 20:58.12 | SimonRaven | it depends on the device, for 2.4 |
| 20:58.12 | Supaplex | what release of debian was samba 2.0.2 (or there abouts) released in? |
| 20:58.16 | goron | valdyn: Anyway, I want to use an open system, with development packages easily available, and I want to use it on the desktop, low-maintaince(e.g. auto X configuration like Ubuntu has when I checked it 6 months ago), dual-boot, and with the possibility to tinker with it. Would Debian qualify for that on the moment or could I better use something else? |
| 20:58.17 | valdyn | goron: so: everything in debian is like a port in the sense that its from a 3rd party, and everything is 'by debian' in the sense that debian maintains and offers the complete packages |
| 20:58.20 | Shadowcat | mentor: I only started out two years ago |
| 20:58.22 | michael | Shadowcat: it worked, thank you very much! |
| 20:58.27 | SimonRaven | Supaplex: woody IIRC |
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| 20:58.29 | quitte | PupenoL: if you meant a dependency |
| 20:58.35 | SimonRaven | could be potato |
| 20:58.39 | mentor | Shadowcat: Well, it's not like I've been running Linux since 1.0 or anything :) |
| 20:58.55 | Shadowcat | I haven't even seen woody running |
| 20:58.56 | Supaplex | I'm thinking potato, but I can't find the info for it |
| 20:58.59 | quitte | PupenoL: what do you mean by postfix? postfix is a mda |
| 20:59.02 | tictac | bah! i just bought an office chair not 5 days ago, and now my wife calls and tells me that her and her friend used it to ride down the driveway last night and broke it. |
| 20:59.03 | mentor | misieq: What sort of X apps are you using? |
| 20:59.04 | PupenoL | quitte: no, I don't want a dependency. |
| 20:59.05 | Shadowcat | first distro I installed was mandrake 10.0 |
| 20:59.08 | Shadowcat | and that was 2.6 |
| 20:59.10 | madnux | hi |
| 20:59.13 | valdyn | goron: debian is for your needs and purposes identical to ubuntu except for a) package versions and b) the default install, configuring things works the same |
| 20:59.26 | Shadowcat | valdyn: actually |
| 20:59.34 | Shadowcat | debian is a flexible distro |
| 20:59.36 | PupenoL | quitte: no! I don't mean the mda, I mean as a word after another word. |
| 20:59.38 | Shadowcat | ubuntu is a kit distro |
| 20:59.40 | quitte | PupenoL: post-install script? pre-install script? |
| 20:59.41 | csmiller | In /etc/apt/sources.list how do I encode a password in the URL? deb ftp://anonymous:csmiller%40.host.com@ftp.host.com/pub/mirrors/linux/debian didn't work - apt-get reported csmiller.host.com@host.com |
| 20:59.55 | SimonRaven | Supaplex: see the archive site |
| 20:59.55 | valdyn | Shadowcat: yea, im intentionally simplifying this.. |
| 20:59.55 | lekvar | ubuntu gives you earth tones. lots of earth tones. |
| 20:59.59 | mentor | heh |
| 21:00.06 | SimonRaven | though some stuff is missing due to an HDD crash :/ |
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| 21:00.11 | Shadowcat | ubuntu is the debian repository with all the packages renamed |
| 21:00.12 | mentor | lekvar: And barely disguised pornography |
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| 21:00.18 | misieq | mentor, mainly kde :) |
| 21:00.21 | yvan | hello |
| 21:00.25 | brian__ | hello |
| 21:00.30 | mtnman | elho |
| 21:00.31 | Shadowcat | and the debian installer with different configuration files |
| 21:00.32 | quitte | PupenoL: words after words are texts. please explain what you are trying to do |
| 21:00.34 | mentor | misieq: Right, then that should pick up the scroll events soon as you configure x. |
| 21:00.35 | Shadowcat | that's it |
| 21:00.36 | PupenoL | How do you add a extra string to the version of a package, like "-0.backports.org.1" on "asterisk_1.0.1-0.backports.org.1" (note: I am making the package). ? |
| 21:00.42 | brian__ | anyone know how to edit grub after debian is already isntalled I can't seem to find a grub.conf |
| 21:00.43 | SimonRaven | Shadowcat: and many less packages. it only has a fraction of the 16 000+ packages |
| 21:00.49 | misieq | mentor, how do i do that? |
| 21:00.49 | brian__ | and my windows isn't booting |
| 21:00.53 | mentor | misieq: Check /etc/X11/{org.conf,XF86Config-4} |
| 21:00.59 | quitte | PupenoL: ah. you want to change the package name? change the changelog |
| 21:01.04 | goron | brian__: /boot/grub IIRC. |
| 21:01.05 | PupenoL | quitte: make my package named asterisk_1.0.1-pupeno.1 |
| 21:01.05 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: shrug I've been spending the better part of six months beating the people in another channel |
| 21:01.10 | bucky | brian__: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:01.11 | PupenoL | quitte: that's all ? |
| 21:01.13 | Shadowcat | they've been mixing debian and ubuntu repositories |
| 21:01.16 | quitte | PupenoL: yes |
| 21:01.18 | SimonRaven | quitte: uh, no. debian/control |
| 21:01.21 | Shadowcat | and then they ask me why things don't work |
| 21:01.21 | brian__ | ok |
| 21:01.22 | PupenoL | quitte: thanks. |
| 21:01.23 | zinosat | in which channel would be more appropriate asking for a fonts (fontforge) hacker? |
| 21:01.29 | SimonRaven | PupenoL: see what i said to quitte |
| 21:01.29 | misieq | mentor, for what? |
| 21:01.41 | goron | zinosat: #latex? |
| 21:01.43 | quitte | SimonRaven: uhm the version goes to changelog |
| 21:01.46 | stew | SimonRaven: you are wrong he would do it in the changelog |
| 21:01.52 | zinosat | goron, thanx |
| 21:01.59 | SimonRaven | changelog has to follow control |
| 21:02.02 | mentor | misieq: For the mouse input device section, that it has a scrolling protocol (like imps2) and that the ZAxisMapping option is set |
| 21:02.19 | stew | SimonRaven: package version doesn't come from the control, it comes from the changelog |
| 21:02.26 | goron | zinosat: I only think there are people in there that know other people who know better than I do. |
| 21:02.34 | PupenoL | SimonRaven: I don't see anything on debian/control that says backports for the package asterisk_1.0.1-0.backports.org.1. |
| 21:02.35 | stew | PupenoL: you can use dch to add a changelog entry to debian/changelog |
| 21:02.38 | SimonRaven | oh, version, yes version, but not name |
| 21:02.51 | brian__ | ok then whats wrong with my widnows part it says unknowen file system when I try to boot it |
| 21:02.55 | brian__ | title Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional |
| 21:02.55 | brian__ | root (hd1,0) |
| 21:02.55 | brian__ | savedefault |
| 21:02.55 | brian__ | makeactive |
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| 21:03.06 | csmiller | oops |
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| 21:03.22 | zinosat | goron, in a nutshell: we're trying to gather the knowledge for manipulating font files for the graphical d-i |
| 21:03.27 | yvan | I have a rpoblem which I cannot fix. When I try to do anything with apt I have "packages that are kept back"!! I have been searching the net and reading the man pages but I cannot find a solution. Apt-get update, apt-get (dist-)upgrade, dpkg --purge -a... Still stuck! What can I do? |
| 21:03.30 | Shadowcat | uhhh |
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| 21:03.38 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: get used to it |
| 21:03.44 | bucky | brian__ dont' flood in here |
| 21:03.47 | goron | zinosat: d-i is Debian Installer? Cool! |
| 21:03.48 | csmiller | brian - you can't paste here, use #flood |
| 21:03.48 | zinosat | goron, we need maximum coverage and minimum footprint |
| 21:03.52 | Shadowcat | !tell brian__ about paste |
| 21:03.53 | SimonRaven | i've been coming here for a few years |
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| 21:04.05 | brian__ | I wasn't try to flood |
| 21:04.15 | brian__ | if I was trying to flood I would paste the hwhole dam file |
| 21:04.15 | bucky | but you did |
| 21:04.15 | nixie | #debian 4 life ;) |
| 21:04.28 | bucky | then get help somewhere else |
| 21:04.29 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 21:04.35 | csmiller | brian__ the server kicks anyone who floods more than 4 lines or so |
| 21:04.35 | EdibleText | SimonRaven, the constant exposure is supposed to make you less sensitive |
| 21:04.42 | brian__ | lol\ |
| 21:04.45 | zinosat | goron, so the idea would be leaving only the needed glyphs for the font files we decide to use |
| 21:04.51 | SimonRaven | EdibleText: supposedly |
| 21:04.55 | nixie | EdibleText: or cynical. |
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| 21:04.59 | N0S3 | hello |
| 21:05.02 | SimonRaven | uh, bot, not server |
| 21:05.02 | brian__ | ok will I have my title windows 2000 |
| 21:05.04 | Jon` | how can I create a command alias in debian? |
| 21:05.07 | misieq | mentor, did you get the config file part? |
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| 21:05.23 | EdibleText | nixie, i used to be cynical now i dont care ;) |
| 21:05.23 | csmiller | jon' in bash? |
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| 21:05.27 | Jon` | i tried alias mysql=mysql -p dbname |
| 21:05.28 | nixie | Jon`: alias bla=echo "hello world" |
| 21:05.36 | brian__ | and root (hd1,0) becuase windows is on my second hard drive |
| 21:05.40 | zinosat | goron, want to help ? |
| 21:05.41 | valdyn | Jon`: man bash |
| 21:05.53 | brian__ | then the next line says savedefault |
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| 21:06.01 | stew | lekvar: help alias |
| 21:06.03 | brian__ | then makeactive |
| 21:06.06 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 21:06.06 | csmiller | brian__ you can join #flood if you want to give your grub file |
| 21:06.07 | goron | zinosat: I am not a fonts hacker. I only use Latex, but I am nowhere near a guru yet. |
| 21:06.20 | brian__ | will not sure whatelese to do |
| 21:06.23 | stew | Jon`: you need quotes around that mysql='mysql -p dbname' |
| 21:06.23 | goron | zinosat: I do like type setting, though. |
| 21:06.31 | mentor | misieq: Yes. For your reference, it's considered rude to msg people you've just met with pastes or so on without first asking them |
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| 21:06.32 | brian__ | I'm not seeing the problem my grub is right form what I have read |
| 21:06.48 | misieq | mentor, oh... didn't know. sorry |
| 21:06.54 | mentor | misieq: Is that the only mouse section |
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| 21:07.06 | mentor | ? |
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| 21:07.11 | mentor | misieq: np |
| 21:07.15 | nixie | brian__: your windows is on your 2nd harddisk, primary partition? |
| 21:07.22 | brian__ | ya |
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| 21:07.38 | misieq | mentor, there is also 'configured mouse' |
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| 21:07.51 | brian__ | and the error I get when I try to load windows is unknowen filesystem |
| 21:07.56 | zinosat | goron, we started investigating for this http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/11/msg01361.html |
| 21:07.58 | nixie | brian you need a rootnoverify |
| 21:08.02 | mentor | misieq: Is one of them using /dev/psaux? |
| 21:08.03 | Shadowcat | no |
| 21:08.09 | Shadowcat | he needs to chainload |
| 21:08.25 | bucky | chainloader +1 |
| 21:08.26 | misieq | mentor, cm (= configured mouse) is |
| 21:08.32 | mentor | noi |
| 21:08.37 | brian__ | I have chainloader already |
| 21:08.40 | mentor | misieq: Don't paste in here either |
| 21:08.41 | zinosat | goron, in case you were interested at the g-i look here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerGUI |
| 21:08.49 | brian__ | there not pasteing |
| 21:08.51 | mentor | oh ok |
| 21:08.54 | Shadowcat | http://pastebin.com/444057 <---- that's how it's supposed to be done |
| 21:08.56 | brian__ | there typeing |
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| 21:09.01 | mentor | misieq: Right, does that have ZAxisMapping? |
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| 21:09.23 | misieq | mentor, as with gm same line |
| 21:09.32 | bucky | nixie: what does rootnoverify just out of curiousity |
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| 21:09.35 | mentor | misieq: And which protocol is it using? |
| 21:09.36 | goron | zinosat: How do you develop an Installer? With qemu or something like that? Testing, etc. |
| 21:09.40 | misieq | mentor, same line as with gm :) |
| 21:09.46 | brian__ | do I put rootnoverify before or after savedefault or get rid of save default |
| 21:09.47 | misieq | mentor, PS/2 |
| 21:10.00 | mentor | misieq: You probably need to change that to imps2 |
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| 21:10.16 | goron | zinosat: oh, I see you do. nm |
| 21:10.17 | mentor | misieq: What actual mouse is it? |
| 21:10.17 | misieq | mentor, and restart X? |
| 21:10.17 | zinosat | goron, qemu is fine: grab the iso and try it out. btw_ i ported it to amd64 using qemu |
| 21:10.21 | mentor | misieq: yes |
| 21:10.21 | brian__ | that would be imp/ps2 actually |
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| 21:10.24 | bucky | brian__: does the windows entry come up in the grub menu at boot up |
| 21:10.27 | brian__ | spent the last day fixing mine |
| 21:10.31 | brian__ | ya |
| 21:10.37 | bucky | and you arrow down to it and press enter? |
| 21:10.38 | nixie | bucky: Similar to root (see root), but don't attempt to mount the partition. |
| 21:10.39 | goron | zinosat: But the actual installation can also be emulated with qemu? |
| 21:10.42 | brian__ | then I hit enter and it says unknowen filesystem |
| 21:11.02 | misieq | mentor, 'trust 305ks' |
| 21:11.04 | bucky | brian__: i think nixie has the answer |
| 21:11.16 | Shadowcat | I gave brian__ the answer two screens ago |
| 21:11.18 | Shadowcat | oh well |
| 21:11.37 | brian__ | you did? |
| 21:11.38 | mentor | misieq: That probably uses ImPS/2 yes. If you restart X and it doesn't start, it's because it can't find the mouse |
| 21:11.40 | bucky | Shad0wcat: he already has chainloader |
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| 21:11.51 | mentor | misieq: You just need to revert your changes and start it agian. |
| 21:11.51 | nixie | brian__: change root to rootnoverify |
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| 21:12.31 | brian__ | oh change the line to rootnoverify (hd1,0) |
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| 21:12.47 | misieq | mentor, right, thanks. i'll try it later, as now i have some app running in X and can't quit it |
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| 21:12.52 | wasabi | Howdy. I'm going to set up a l2tp server (IPSEC) and want a list of the recent buzzwords I need to go check out. =) Is openswan still relavent? |
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| 21:12.57 | mentor | misieq: OK. HTH. |
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| 21:13.29 | csmiller | misieq - try xkill |
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| 21:13.48 | mentor | csmiller: I'm sure that's not what he meant |
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| 21:13.55 | sniegena | Hello, what package should I install to have a command in prompt: php ?!?!?!?!? |
| 21:13.56 | misieq | csmiller, what is xkill? |
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| 21:14.00 | nixie | wasabi, iirc l2tp =! ipsec. i'd also recommend openvpn over l2tp any day. |
| 21:14.08 | brian__ | afterI change it how do I put my grub back up in my mbr in debian? |
| 21:14.19 | sniegena | Hello, what package should I install to have a command in prompt: php ?!?!?!?!? |
| 21:14.23 | mentor | !tell sniegena about ep |
| 21:14.26 | mentor | !tell sniegena about repeat |
| 21:14.37 | nixie | brian__: edit menu.lst, reboot and try. |
| 21:14.38 | bucky | !seen ShockSMX |
| 21:14.39 | dpkg | shocksmx is currently on #debian (2d 6h 43m 38s). Has said a total of 390 messages. Is idling for 1d 15h 52m |
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| 21:14.47 | csmiller | misieq - its a small x app. When you run it, it will prompt for you to click on an app. It then asks the X server to disconnect the app from the server. The app then exits |
| 21:14.47 | brian__ | ok I edited it |
| 21:14.51 | brian__ | brb then |
| 21:14.57 | mentor | sniegena: apt-cache search php? |
| 21:14.58 | HAiRYANiMAL | Does anyone know of a VNC Server executable that while you run it it serves up VNC sessions, it doesn't require an install? This is on a windows box...(I know I am in the deb room) |
| 21:15.03 | sniegena | mentor NO |
| 21:15.03 | sniegena | ;] |
| 21:15.10 | sniegena | it is already the newest version |
| 21:15.11 | csmiller | misieq do not click on the desktop with it |
| 21:15.18 | valdyn | HAiRYANiMAL: google knows |
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| 21:15.19 | nixie | HAiRYANiMAL: realvnc.com? |
| 21:15.22 | misieq | csmiller, i didn't make myself clearly... not i can't quit the app, i don't want to :) |
| 21:15.37 | mentor | dpkg find /php$ |
| 21:15.49 | wasabi | nixie: not looking for alternate recommendations. I have a requirement and am seeking to fulfil it. And l2tp runs ontop of IPSEC in the optimal configuration (imo) |
| 21:15.52 | csmiller | misieq - ah I thought the app wasn't responding to your exit request :-{ |
| 21:15.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/php' (5): (/usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/php) in web/quanta ;; (/usr/share/apps/rekall/highlight/global/php) in kde/rekall ;; (/usr/share/doc/php4-auth-pam/examples/php) in web/php4-auth-pam ;; (/usr/lib/debian-edu-config/testsuite/php) in misc/debian-edu-config ;; (/usr/share/apps/kdevappwizard/imports/php, /usr/share/apps/kdevfilecreate/file-templates/php) in kde/kdevelop3-data. |
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| 21:16.04 | goron | zinosat: Is it possible to install and boot the newly installed Debian from qemu? |
| 21:16.05 | sniegena | mentor php-cli |
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| 21:16.10 | nixie | wasabi: ur right. i always mess up pptp and l2tp. dont ask why :P |
| 21:16.13 | mentor | ewwww. |
| 21:16.17 | mentor | came to the channel |
| 21:16.18 | misieq | csmiller, anyway thanks, it might come useful some day |
| 21:16.23 | valdyn | goron: that should work usually |
| 21:16.36 | mentor | sniegena: There you go :) |
| 21:16.43 | zinosat | goron, you mean on a qemu virtual HD? yes |
| 21:16.43 | sniegena | mentor what should I do for apt |
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| 21:16.52 | sniegena | first to connect with ipv4 not with ipv6 |
| 21:17.01 | goron | zinosat: If such a thing exists, yes . |
| 21:17.08 | EdibleText | HAiRYANiMAL, tightvnc is nice for winders too |
| 21:17.08 | sniegena | because my ipv6 tunneling is really slow and when it downloads package'es |
| 21:17.10 | goron | valdyn: That's actually very cool. |
| 21:17.12 | sniegena | it makes an ipv6 connection |
| 21:17.16 | sniegena | 0% [Connecting to debina.ktu.lt (2001:778::a)] |
| 21:17.20 | sniegena | that is a bit a time |
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| 21:19.01 | mjk64 | Which viewer can show images on the framebuffer console? There seems to be no package named "fbv" and zgv is for SVGAlib. |
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| 21:19.28 | zinosat | goron, create a file which acts as an hd and install on it. use qemu-img to do that |
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| 21:20.15 | DotHack | hello! |
| 21:20.20 | brian__ | no error but jsut sits there and don't load |
| 21:20.28 | zinosat | goron, then "qemu -cdrom sarge-i386-netinst.iso -hda test_di.img -boot d" for example |
| 21:20.33 | DotHack | how can i say to udev or discover NOT to load tulip |
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| 21:20.49 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 21:20.49 | dpkg | i guess blacklist is on etchsid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 21:21.07 | stew | hrm |
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| 21:21.09 | stew | did i break that one? |
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| 21:21.18 | stew | @blacklist |
| 21:21.24 | DotHack | it used to be in hotplug right? |
| 21:21.51 | valdyn | DotHack: you need to blacklist it in hotplugs config and discover's config seperately |
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| 21:22.00 | mentor | sniegena: hmmm |
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| 21:22.10 | DotHack | valdyn: but hotplug is obsolete now isnt it? |
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| 21:22.22 | abrotman | only if you use udev |
| 21:22.31 | valdyn | DotHack: the package yea, the program just moved into udev |
| 21:22.33 | goron | !udev |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 21:22.38 | DotHack | ill try blacklisting it in modprobes blacklist |
| 21:22.55 | goron | Is udev default in Debian? |
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| 21:23.22 | valdyn | goron: like nothing is 'default' in debian if its not essential |
| 21:23.25 | marcodv | hi, I have two .deb packages I want to install, I followed exactly the instructions at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-local , both normal and quick-and-dirty methods, but I get a "file not found" error when trying the install with aptitude. Is there a way I can check the complete path of the file it's searching? aptitude -vvv doesn't tell anything more. |
| 21:23.31 | valdyn | goron: so udev is not. |
| 21:23.35 | misieq | is there any way to alter size of only one icon on desktop in kde? |
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| 21:25.39 | goron | valdyn: So you can choose during install whether you want udev? |
| 21:25.48 | valdyn | marcodv: .deb packages are installed with 'dpkg -i' unless you create your own repository containing those |
| 21:25.50 | mjk64 | Is there a meta-package for compiling programs, i. e. one that depends on make, gcc, autoconf, etc.? |
| 21:26.12 | quitte_ | mjk64: build-essential |
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| 21:26.40 | mjk64 | quitte_: Thanks! How could I know that it's called that? What should I've been looking for? |
| 21:26.43 | mentor | sniegena: Nope. I don't know. |
| 21:26.48 | mjk64 | quitte: Thanks! How could I know that it's called that? What should I've been looking for? |
| 21:26.55 | valdyn | goron: debian only installs a very basic system first, then it runs 'tasksel' which lets you select large chunks of packages grouped by tasks. You can install as many or as few tasks as you want. Later installs can be done at any time via apt-get / aptitude etc.. |
| 21:27.10 | quitte | mjk64: you couldn't but some packages have it as build dependency |
| 21:27.10 | abrotman | ewww .. tasksel |
| 21:27.26 | mjk64 | quitte: Okay, so it's just a matter of experience ... thx |
| 21:27.36 | marcodv | valdyn: the instructions I'm referring to are exactly supposed to create a local repository. I do not want to break apt's database by installing with dpkg -i |
| 21:27.38 | EdibleText | i was going to suggest it to mjk64 but then backspaced |
| 21:27.38 | valdyn | goron: tasksel is hardly used by people who know debian already i suppose |
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| 21:28.19 | zdennis | hello again everyone. I am still having issues with my cvs server. I keep getting "setgid failed: Operation not permitted" when I try to check anything out. My cvs daemon is running as cvsd. Who ha rwx to my whole cvsroot |
| 21:28.26 | valdyn | marcodv: you used dpkg-scanpackages from the correct directory? |
| 21:28.34 | jongkyu | I'm using framebuffer console. I used "1024x768" mode with boot time argument "vga=0x318". Now, I wanna use "800x600" mode, because the characters of "1024x768" mode is too small to read. Can I change frame buffer modes? |
| 21:28.44 | goron | valdyn: I have installed Debian > 4 times, but I didn't know that udev was the consequence of one of those choices. I thought that it was devfs or udev fixed in a certain version(e.g. Testing). |
| 21:29.11 | nixie | zdennis: setgid failed sounds like group ownership problems to me |
| 21:29.16 | valdyn | goron: ah i see, nah udev is just pulled in by some tools that need it |
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| 21:29.28 | marcodv | valdyn: yes I think so... I followed those docs *exactly*, so... anyway I'll check again |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | zdennis: are you sure to the whole tree ? |
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| 21:30.01 | misieq | is there any way to alter size of only one icon on desktop in kde? |
| 21:30.10 | valdyn | marcodv: i'd need your sources.list entry for that repo, and the Package location from your Packages(.gz|bz2) file |
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| 21:30.13 | michael | is it possible to tell apt to use only a single interface (eth1) to connect to the sites, listed in sources? |
| 21:30.25 | zdennis | abrotman, nixie, my user cvsd owns the whole cvs root. And the group owner is "devel" |
| 21:30.29 | nixie | misieq: isnt there a #kde channel? |
| 21:30.31 | goron | valdyn: about qemu: developing on any kernel(BSD/Linux) also works the same? |
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| 21:30.33 | EdibleText | misieq, perhaps try the kde channel |
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| 21:30.45 | valdyn | goron: qemu is slow |
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| 21:30.49 | quitte | michael: no. it uses ftp or http. so you'd have to limit that in your firewall |
| 21:30.51 | nixie | zdennis: is cvsd in the devel group? |
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| 21:31.08 | zdennis | nixie, no....should he be? |
| 21:31.25 | nixie | zdennis: or is cvs configured to use the devel group too? i'd look at that |
| 21:31.26 | goron | valdyn: So, I assume there's an alternative that's better? |
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| 21:31.44 | marcodv | valdyn: from sources.list: deb file:/usr/local/debian/ ./ |
| 21:31.45 | valdyn | goron: better for what exactly? |
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| 21:32.01 | zdennis | nixie, i will check it out, thx for the info...i'll let you know what i turn up |
| 21:32.09 | goron | valdyn: Better for kernel development. |
| 21:32.17 | marcodv | valdyn: from /usr/local/debian/Packages.gz: "Filename: /usr/local/debian/postfix_2.2.4-1_i386.deb" |
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| 21:32.54 | marcodv | valdyn: (it's the result of the quick-and-dirty method, the latest I've tried) |
| 21:33.06 | valdyn | goron: uh, thats not harder on a real machine |
| 21:33.13 | valdyn | goron: but defenitely faster |
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| 21:33.26 | michael | quitte: It work's quite fine but my VPN Client rewrites all resolv and internet settings on eth0, but apt could use eth1 to apt-get everything |
| 21:33.28 | goron | valdyn: But rebooting everytime seems a pain. |
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| 21:33.45 | goron | valdyn: Or do you first simulate the systems around it? |
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| 21:33.53 | valdyn | goron: you'd need to restart qemu too, naturally you'd want to have 2 computers i guess |
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| 21:34.04 | Rawplayer | SI |
| 21:34.05 | DotHack | but does udev use the blacklist? |
| 21:34.19 | goron | valdyn: What would that help(the number of computers)? |
| 21:34.31 | quitte | michael: so your problem is that your vpn connection changes default route and nameserver? |
| 21:34.36 | valdyn | marcodv: is that file there? |
| 21:34.41 | marcodv | valdyn: yep |
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| 21:35.01 | valdyn | goron: one to write code on and compile, the other to reboot and run that stuff |
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| 21:35.17 | quitte | michael: i guess you have a dhcp client on your vpn interface. configure it to not set default and resolv |
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| 21:35.28 | blindboygrunt | hi all - does anyone know how a tell a framebuffer module what resolution and bpp to use? |
| 21:35.28 | foampeace | what firefox is the latest in the debian sources? |
| 21:35.57 | nixie | blindboygrunt: isnt that the vga=XXX parameter on kernel load time? |
| 21:36.08 | marcodv | valdyn: it's sarge btw. the worst thing is that I already did it on a different machine, sarge again, same packages... I'm puzzled |
| 21:36.10 | confrey | hi people |
| 21:36.12 | goron | valdyn: ok, that will save the time of logging in, starting the X session and DE, assuming you run those. |
| 21:36.25 | valdyn | marcodv: run 'aptitude update ; aptitude install postfix' paste the error ( http://paste.debian.net/ ) |
| 21:36.32 | blindboygrunt | nixie: if i do that it uses the wrong frame buffer driver |
| 21:36.53 | nixie | blindboygrunt: also tried the video=matroxfb:vesafb:blabla yadayada line? |
| 21:36.54 | zdennis | nixie: here's what i got. The cvs daemon is running as user cvsd, group cvsd. I changed group ownership of my cvsroot to cvsd. Problem still persists though. |
| 21:37.02 | confrey | can anybody help me about configuring a cn320? |
| 21:37.10 | blindboygrunt | nixie: trying to load tdfxfb |
| 21:37.21 | blindboygrunt | nixie: I have doesn't seem to work at all |
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| 21:37.40 | nixie | blindboygrunt: try google=/ |
| 21:37.50 | blindboygrunt | nixie: I have :( |
| 21:37.52 | nixie | zdennis: the actual cvsroot dir is also owned by cfsd? |
| 21:37.54 | DotHack | grrrr stupid tulip module! |
| 21:37.55 | nixie | *cvsd? |
| 21:37.59 | DotHack | it locked me out |
| 21:38.02 | zdennis | nixie yes |
| 21:38.05 | blindboygrunt | nixie: thanks anyways though |
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| 21:39.05 | DotHack | it brings up network normally but then after a minute or so it removes the RUNNING flag vrom ifconfig |
| 21:39.10 | marcodv | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/2988 (I now notice the "Ign" in the output...) |
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| 21:39.21 | valdyn | marcodv: that is no problem |
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| 21:39.25 | nixie | zdennis, paste the full error output on pastebin.com orso |
| 21:39.43 | sniegena | is there an abillity to copy paste files for example a.txt and b.txt from a.txt copy all data tu b.txt and leave a.txt empty? |
| 21:39.51 | sniegena | without openning them ? |
| 21:39.52 | confrey | can anybody help me about configuring an access point cn320? |
| 21:39.53 | tr1gg3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.58 | DotHack | sniegena: move and touch |
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| 21:41.20 | sniegena | DotHack how exactly? |
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| 21:41.24 | Fox_1_ | if i make file in /etc/logrotate.d and write about logging some program does it work? or i must do something else? |
| 21:41.26 | zdennis | nixie, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2QIwYw15.html |
| 21:41.40 | DotHack | sniegena: ? mv a.txt b.txt; touch a.txt |
| 21:41.51 | sniegena | no i mean |
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| 21:41.53 | sniegena | there are |
| 21:41.55 | nixie | fox yes, provided you use correct syntax. logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf to test. |
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| 21:41.59 | sniegena | a.txt with data |
| 21:42.02 | sniegena | ant b.txt with data |
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| 21:42.09 | sniegena | how should i copy a.txt data to b.txt data ? |
| 21:42.11 | Fox_1_ | nixie ok thanks |
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| 21:42.23 | DotHack | sniegena: you want to appand a to b? |
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| 21:42.35 | mith | sniegena: you need a book |
| 21:42.37 | DotHack | append |
| 21:42.41 | sniegena | :)) |
| 21:42.43 | sniegena | a book of what |
| 21:42.53 | mith | a book that explains simple unix concepts |
| 21:42.56 | DotHack | sniegena: Introduction to Linux |
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| 21:43.03 | sniegena | i know basics :) |
| 21:43.10 | mith | not if you had to ask that you don't |
| 21:43.14 | blindboygrunt | nixie: looks like its not possible - have to recompile the kernel to have the driver run not as a module |
| 21:43.15 | DotHack | hahaa |
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| 21:43.28 | sniegena | I don't know really |
| 21:43.31 | mith | (no offense, you'll just seriously be better off getting a good book then asking things like that on irc) |
| 21:43.32 | sniegena | how to make this thing' |
| 21:43.36 | sniegena | without oppeninig, copying |
| 21:43.38 | DotHack | sniegena: cat a.txt >> b.txt; |
| 21:43.39 | sniegena | and then paste'ing |
| 21:43.56 | michael | how come, if I have eth0 down I can ping an address in the internet, but if eth1 is up, ping doesn't work?? |
| 21:44.14 | dondelelcaro | michael: you have two default gateways, most likely. |
| 21:44.22 | dondelelcaro | michael: give us the output of route -n; and ifconfig -a; |
| 21:44.50 | nixie | zdennis: im puzzled. maybe try chmod g-s on your cvsroot dir. |
| 21:44.56 | quitte | michael: is eth1 configured by dhcp? |
| 21:45.06 | DotHack | sniegena: got it? |
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| 21:45.25 | sniegena | DotHack yeah thanks alot |
| 21:45.37 | zdennis | nixie, same issue , shucks |
| 21:46.06 | DotHack | sniegena: hehe no problem... |
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| 21:46.55 | sniegena | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 3 |
| 21:47.02 | sniegena | how should i increase this thing |
| 21:47.07 | sniegena | this is php stuff :) |
| 21:47.24 | SimonRaven | php.ini |
| 21:47.25 | valdyn | marcodv: that Documentation you read is broken |
| 21:47.25 | Silverpil | is there anyone know how to setup a wireless PCMCIA in Knoppix? |
| 21:47.26 | DotHack | sniegena: /etc/php.ini? |
| 21:47.31 | nixie | its in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 21:47.41 | DotHack | nixie: hehe oops |
| 21:47.44 | nixie | provided its an error by web access |
| 21:47.46 | somePriest | exit |
| 21:47.49 | somePriest | Doh |
| 21:48.09 | michael | dondelelcaro: the output is visible at: http://paste.lisp.org/display/14162 |
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| 21:48.23 | SimonRaven | well, depends... /etc/php4/{apache,apache2,cgi,cli,etc.}/php.ini |
| 21:48.35 | nixie | :) |
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| 21:48.43 | talin | id=`tail -n 1 /etc/passwd | cut -d : -f 3,3` |
| 21:48.44 | talin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.50 | DotHack | config power!! |
| 21:48.57 | Debian_freak | qual a sala do brasil |
| 21:49.05 | nixie | talin: with let. |
| 21:49.07 | DotHack | !brazil |
| 21:49.07 | dpkg | [brazil] a very beautiful country! He has a project called debian-br, with open discusions at #debian-br, or at debian-br.sourceforge.net, or the name of an extremely cool and surreal movie that is worth watching. |
| 21:49.14 | talin | nixie: let? |
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| 21:49.22 | pureone | $((id+1)) ? |
| 21:49.23 | nixie | talin: let. |
| 21:49.27 | dondelelcaro | michael: that's only with eth1 up. |
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| 21:49.45 | valdyn | marcodv: please paste _exactly_ the dpkg-scanpackages line you used |
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| 21:50.02 | Usiu | Hi, Are there any logs for pbuilder so I can check wtf is wrong ? Why it doesnt work for me ? |
| 21:50.07 | nixie | bla=1; let bla=$bla+1; echo $bla |
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| 21:50.13 | abrotman | michael: i thought we covered this last night ? .. or did my power go out before we finished ? |
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| 21:50.26 | valdyn | marcodv: Doc isnt broken, you likely just didnt follow it in one detail |
| 21:50.28 | marcodv | valdyn: dpkg-scanpackages /usr/local/debian /dev/null | gzip - > /usr/local/debian/Packages.gz |
| 21:50.29 | Fox_1_ | what is suidperl? |
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| 21:51.01 | valdyn | marcodv: sec |
| 21:51.09 | DotHack | Fox_1_: probably perl that runs witjh owner permissions |
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| 21:51.49 | Fox_1_ | i have the code which runs with suidperl. if i change it to perl does it work? |
| 21:51.58 | SimonRaven | man suidperl |
| 21:52.00 | blindboygrunt | is there a debian 2.6 kernel package yet? |
| 21:52.05 | Fox_1_ | nothink |
| 21:52.08 | Fox_1_ | nothin |
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| 21:52.09 | Fox_1_ | nothing |
| 21:52.11 | Fox_1_ | sorry |
| 21:52.13 | DotHack | Fox_1_: depends what the code does.. |
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| 21:52.24 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: for which version of debian ? |
| 21:52.27 | Fox_1_ | it's openwebmail |
| 21:52.29 | SimonRaven | you don't have it installed... |
| 21:52.31 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: and what is your CPU ? |
| 21:52.31 | Fox_1_ | web mail client |
| 21:52.35 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: testing |
| 21:52.37 | Usiu | any help ? |
| 21:52.39 | marcodv | valdyn: sorry, what do you mean with "sec"? anyway it would all be much easier if aptitude told me where is it looking for the files :) |
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| 21:52.42 | SimonRaven | blindboygrunt: for? |
| 21:52.44 | Usiu | any debian maintainers ? |
| 21:52.44 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: and your CPU ? |
| 21:52.51 | blindboygrunt | PIII |
| 21:52.52 | DotHack | Fox_1_: is it for mod_perl or what? |
| 21:52.57 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:53.03 | SimonRaven | !+ask |
| 21:53.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: thank you have a nice day .. please pull around |
| 21:53.08 | nixie | marcodv: 'sec' = 'wait a sec...' |
| 21:53.13 | SimonRaven | !+ask to ask |
| 21:53.13 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're usure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 21:53.18 | zdennis | nixie, i got past that error now.... |
| 21:53.19 | Fox_1_ | DotHack i don't know |
| 21:53.22 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: thanks you |
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| 21:53.24 | zdennis | nixie, i have a different one now |
| 21:53.28 | SimonRaven | FFS people, ask clear questions |
| 21:53.29 | zdennis | nixie, can i bug you some more? |
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| 21:53.39 | abrotman | or don't ask at all? :) |
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| 21:53.43 | nixie | zdennis just ask. what dkpg says. |
| 21:53.52 | marcodv | nixie: ops thx. I'm not such an irc addict. ;) |
| 21:54.02 | DotHack | Fox_1_: does to code say it needs suidperl because of blablabla.... |
| 21:54.04 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: i want to recompile the kernel though |
| 21:54.16 | abrotman | !tell blindboygrunt about kp |
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| 21:54.22 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: but why ? |
| 21:54.24 | michael | dondelelcaro: please name a past site. I got problems with the one I used before. |
| 21:54.36 | nixie | pastebin.com? |
| 21:54.38 | Fox_1_ | DotHack it say: bash: ./openwebmail-tool.pl: /usr/bin/suidperl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 21:54.38 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:54.38 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:54.55 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: i need to compile a device straight into the kernel and not have it as a module |
| 21:54.57 | SimonRaven | !ask to ask =~ s/usure/unsure/ |
| 21:54.57 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
| 21:55.07 | zdennis | nixie, ok now i get... failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvsroot/weblog' |
| 21:55.08 | DotHack | Fox_1_: suid means that it runs with the permissions of the owner.. so if your code is owned by root it runs as root even if a normal user starts it.. |
| 21:55.23 | zdennis | nixie.... i login as user "zdennis" to the cvs server |
| 21:55.28 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: reason being that i can't pass any parameters to the device as a module when it loads |
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| 21:55.56 | zdennis | nixie, the permissions on the folder are "drwxrwsr-x 6 root devel 4096 2005-11-30 11:40 weblog" |
| 21:56.00 | DotHack | Fox_1_: you probably just have to change your shebang ( the first line with the # in the script) to /usr/bin/perl or something |
| 21:56.02 | SimonRaven | blindboygrunt: yes you can |
| 21:56.05 | nixie | zdennis: thats kind of past my knowledge since i never ran a cvs server. try google. it's not likely a permission problem |
| 21:56.08 | michael | dondelelcaro: see the result here http://channels.debian.net/paste/1193 |
| 21:56.22 | blindboygrunt | SimonRaven: not for this driver |
| 21:56.36 | zdennis | nixie, yeah, i've been googling all day it seems =) |
| 21:56.38 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: linux-source-2.6 .. or something liek that .. apt-cache search linux-source |
| 21:56.42 | valdyn | marcodv: alright, 'cd /usr/local; dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -c > Packages.gz' |
| 21:56.45 | dondelelcaro | michael: right, you've got two default gateways. comment one out in your /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 21:56.50 | SimonRaven | dones't bode well for the author ;) |
| 21:56.51 | DotHack | Fox_1_: do a whereis perl |
| 21:56.53 | dondelelcaro | michael: 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 <-- default gateway. |
| 21:56.55 | SimonRaven | doesn't* |
| 21:56.59 | nixie | zdennis: but if you chmod 777 the weblog dir and it *does* work, then it *is* a permission prob. otherwise i dont know |
| 21:57.02 | valdyn | marcodv: so looks to me now like that docs are wrong |
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| 21:57.16 | zdennis | nixie, yeah that is exactly what is happening |
| 21:57.21 | samoh | hello |
| 21:57.27 | Fox_1_ | DotHack i change suidperl to perl and it work |
| 21:57.38 | DotHack | Fox_1_: cool! |
| 21:57.40 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: thanks! |
| 21:57.44 | michael | dondelelcaro: why can't they have both a default gateway? .... I'm confused... |
| 21:58.00 | nixie | zdennis: i'd look closely at how your cvs server is ocnfigured, as it seems its not really running as user & group cvsd |
| 21:58.03 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: how can I kernel config identical to how it is with precompiled debian kernels? |
| 21:58.11 | Fox_1_ | DotHack yes, why write suidperl if perl work:) |
| 21:58.15 | samoh | i was hoping somebody could help me get a laptop to go online using wifi |
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| 21:58.23 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: install the normal 2.6 .. then steal its config from /boot/ |
| 21:58.32 | DotHack | Fox_1_: the maker of the script probaly uses suidperl |
| 21:58.34 | michael | dondelelcaro: does that mean, if I comment one out, the one I've commented out is not able to communicate through that gateway to the internet anymore? |
| 21:58.36 | dondelelcaro | michael: because the default gateway is for sending out packets that go to a network that your computer isn't directly connected to. Having two in that configuration causes problems. |
| 21:58.39 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: you are a legend - thank you! |
| 21:58.39 | abrotman | michael: you can only have ONE default gateway |
| 21:58.49 | rking | if someone was "nordic" what language would be the most likely that they'd speak or understand? finnish? |
| 21:58.52 | abrotman | antgel: see that .. i'm a legend! .. and i'm not even dead yet! |
| 21:59.01 | dondelelcaro | michael: uh... those both better be the same gateway and the same network. |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | rking: finnish or norwegian ? |
| 21:59.07 | mjk64 | rking: Swedish? |
| 21:59.11 | SimonRaven | rking: what part of the worlds? ;) |
| 21:59.12 | blindboygrunt | abrotman: you could be an infamous legend tho |
| 21:59.13 | nixie | danish? |
| 21:59.13 | mjk64 | rking: Icelandic? :-) |
| 21:59.15 | abrotman | toresbe: what do you think ? |
| 21:59.18 | DotHack | michael: 2 standard gateways is soooooo evil |
| 21:59.20 | SimonRaven | world* |
| 21:59.28 | abrotman | blindboygrunt: i'm more than famous .. I'm infamous! |
| 21:59.32 | mjk64 | rking: =) |
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| 22:00.04 | abrotman | SimonRaven: how can you tell it's a mail plane ? |
| 22:00.05 | rking | if i threw a dart at "nordic languages", which one would i hit at least 3 times out of 10? |
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| 22:00.07 | SimonRaven | mjk64: *groan* |
| 22:00.27 | mjk64 | SimonRaven: Yeah, not that witty, I know. It's late here. :-) |
| 22:00.32 | blindboygrunt | we are the three amigoes....! |
| 22:00.34 | DotHack | rking: norwegian |
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| 22:00.43 | abrotman | SimonRaven: the balls .. can't you see the little balls ?!?! |
| 22:00.45 | rking | (all the #debian linguists)++ |
| 22:00.53 | SimonRaven | abrotman: because it's not femail? |
| 22:01.01 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you fail the stpuid humor test |
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| 22:01.06 | EdibleText | wont you kiss me on the veranda |
| 22:01.06 | michael | dondelelcaro: okay, commented it out. /etc/init.d/networking restart now? |
| 22:01.17 | dondelelcaro | michael: just ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; |
| 22:01.28 | dondelelcaro | (or whichever stanza you commented it out from) |
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| 22:01.39 | dondelelcaro | michael: eth0 is connected to the same physical network that eth1 is, right? |
| 22:01.56 | DotHack | michael: why should you do that? |
| 22:02.19 | zdennis | nixie...got it! Thanks for your help... I thought my perimssions were golden, but i was an idiot and they were screwd up |
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| 22:02.21 | DotHack | michael: theres no point in connecting 2 interfaces to the same network |
| 22:02.27 | nixie | zdennis: :) |
| 22:02.28 | marcodv | valdyn: yesssss! it works now, thanks a lot! so the official doc *IS* wrong. |
| 22:02.35 | abrotman | DotHack: one is LAN .. one is VPN .. don't ask .. i went over it last night :) |
| 22:02.40 | valdyn | marcodv: yea |
| 22:02.52 | tr1gg3r | anyone know if the kde35 pkgs on alioth are ready, i added the repos and dist-upgrade still wont grab them |
| 22:02.59 | valdyn | marcodv: or maybe one could say that apt-get is wrong, im not sure about that |
| 22:03.04 | michael | dondelelcaro: thats right, yes. |
| 22:03.04 | abrotman | tr1gg3r: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:03.05 | valdyn | marcodv: or maybe one could say that apt-get/aptitude is wrong, im not sure about that |
| 22:03.14 | marcodv | valdyn: :) |
| 22:03.15 | tr1gg3r | ah thx |
| 22:03.17 | dondelelcaro | michael: ok, cool. |
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| 22:03.44 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 22:03.53 | dondelelcaro | DotHack: there actually is a point, but very little unless you're using ip to set up the interfaces. |
| 22:04.04 | dondelelcaro | DotHack: see the lartc for details |
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| 22:04.10 | michael | dondelelcaro: see, I'd like to use eth0 as a single VPN-only nic and eth1 as the local transfer interface |
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| 22:04.33 | michael | dondelelcaro: local = LAN |
| 22:04.37 | dondelelcaro | michael: if you've got a totally separate VPN, it needs to have a totally separate network. |
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| 22:05.01 | dondelelcaro | michael: right now, you can't distinguish between packets that are bound to the VPN and packets that are bound to the LAN. |
| 22:05.24 | dondelelcaro | michael: ie, the VPN needs to be 192.168.0/24 and the LAN 10.0.0/24 or whatever. |
| 22:06.08 | SimonRaven | you could MARK them, but then it gets really complicated really fast, and probably won't work very well anyway |
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| 22:06.13 | michael | dondelelcaro: I see..hm. the cipsec0 interface on the output is my vpn interface afaik. |
| 22:06.42 | dondelelcaro | michael: oh, that's probably ok then. |
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| 22:07.09 | marcodv | valdyn: bye and thanks again |
| 22:07.23 | DotHack | bye bye! |
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| 22:07.35 | dondelelcaro | michael: since the vpn is using 137.226.103/21 over whatever 10.0.0/24 network you've got. |
| 22:07.43 | zdennis | is there an easy way to add a person to a group, without having to specify all 19 other groups by doing... usermod -G group1, group2,...group19, newgroup username ? |
| 22:07.55 | SimonRaven | adduser |
| 22:08.01 | DotHack | zdennis: modgroup |
| 22:08.08 | dondelelcaro | michael: eth0 is just another nic then; the traffic will most likely go out over eth1. |
| 22:08.08 | SimonRaven | debian's adduser is teh r0x0r |
| 22:08.10 | DotHack | zdennis: groupmod |
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| 22:08.47 | samoh | anybody can help me set up my network please ? I have a wifi card and it's detected and the signal is good. I can access the computers on the LAN but not the internet |
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| 22:09.22 | michael | dondelelcaro: how do you know that the traffic will be going out over eth1? I've googled through some readme's regarding the VPN clients' configuration |
| 22:09.37 | zdennis | DotHack, groupmod doesn't let me specify user's i wanted to add |
| 22:09.46 | Bob332 | anyone know how i can add a gdesklet to my debian gnome desktop? |
| 22:09.54 | michael | dondelelcaro: and they said, that the standard interface will be eth0. although a nice entry in the config file to change this, would be nice |
| 22:10.03 | zdennis | SimonRaven: my user's already exist...you still think adduser is way to go? |
| 22:10.29 | nixie | samoh: do you have a default gateway? try netstat -r and see if you have an UG line |
| 22:10.52 | dondelelcaro | michael: well, most likely it'll go out over eth1. It really depends what the endpoint of the VPN is; if it's not in 10.0.0/24 it'll definetly go out over the default gateway which is eth1. |
| 22:11.02 | zdennis | SimonRaven yep you look to be right =) thx |
| 22:11.06 | dondelelcaro | michael: in most cases, you don't really care anyway. In the cases where you do, then you need to read the lartc. |
| 22:11.09 | samoh | nixie, no there is no UG line there but there is one when i use the route command |
| 22:11.18 | SimonRaven | man adduser |
| 22:11.43 | nixie | samoh: type route -n; ifconfig and paste that in http://pastebin.com |
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| 22:12.07 | samoh | nixie, sorry the lines appeared after a delay i paste then on pastebin ? |
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| 22:12.57 | sifi | How can I make a script echo it's own filname? |
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| 22:13.09 | dondelelcaro | sifi: echo $0 |
| 22:13.09 | Sand | I want to run stats on what characters i type the most. Is there a package for this? (lkl seems to be broken) |
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| 22:13.20 | zdennis | sweet....life is good again =) |
| 22:13.34 | sifi | dondelelcaro, that echo out the whole path, i just want the filename |
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| 22:14.15 | dondelelcaro | sifi: so use basename |
| 22:14.32 | nevyn | sorbs requires an account to do more than one lookup :( |
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| 22:14.37 | nevyn | die |
| 22:14.46 | zdennis | Ok, stupid question alert. If I setup a cvs repostiory locally, and do NOT use pserver authentication. I can kill my cvsd daemon and just use the cvs client? |
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| 22:15.31 | dondelelcaro | zdennis: yerp. |
| 22:15.46 | zdennis | dondelelcaro: that is how cvs and ssh work together? |
| 22:16.04 | dondelelcaro | zdennis: yes. |
| 22:16.18 | zdennis | heh...i just set up my chroot'd cvs repository for nothing! |
| 22:16.19 | zdennis | oh well |
| 22:16.21 | zdennis | =) |
| 22:16.24 | zdennis | thx dondelelcaro |
| 22:16.30 | dondelelcaro | zdennis: well, you actually call cvs on the server, but yes. |
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| 22:17.02 | dondelelcaro | zdennis: you may want to consider using svn instead of cvs if this is a new project... |
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| 22:17.11 | dondelelcaro | (or darcs or baz or tla or...) |
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| 22:18.00 | Fox_1_ | when i add new file in /etc/logrotate.d how must i restart it? |
| 22:18.03 | zdennis | dondelelcaro: it is alot of projects that were already in cvs, that i am moving from one server to another. Subversion has cvs-to-svn format aye? |
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| 22:18.16 | PDani_ | hi |
| 22:18.19 | zdennis | dondelelcaro: i've wanted to try svn for a while, because it integrates well with Trac |
| 22:18.33 | dondelelcaro | zdennis: yes, there's a converter. |
| 22:19.58 | licued2 | how long you think it takes to be a fairl good UNIX admin |
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| 22:20.45 | zdennis | licued2: it depends on how quickly you can screw things up |
| 22:20.48 | PDani_ | i would like to create a multisession disc with cdrecord, and every session will be raw data (no fs, just some custom metadata at the beginning, and then raw data), and then i would like to read back it session by session to files. is it possible? |
| 22:20.51 | licued2 | hahaha |
| 22:20.56 | licued2 | I guess a couple days then ;) |
| 22:21.01 | zdennis | licued2: the more you screw up sooner and learn how-to fix them, the quicker it'll be! |
| 22:21.05 | zdennis | licued2: =) |
| 22:21.11 | licued2 | ;) |
| 22:21.12 | EdibleText | with no prior experiance and tenacity to learn, two years |
| 22:21.13 | snot | libapache-mod-mono: Depends: mono-apache-server (>= 0.15) which is a virtual package. <-- how can I meet that dependencie? |
| 22:21.25 | licued2 | EdibleText, agreed |
| 22:21.46 | abrotman | licued2: can you read ? |
| 22:21.54 | licued2 | yes? |
| 22:22.02 | licued2 | why do you ask |
| 22:22.03 | abrotman | licued2: well . you're better off than most :) |
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| 22:22.07 | licued2 | lol |
| 22:22.11 | zdennis | lol abrotman |
| 22:22.16 | licued2 | not sure if I understood that :) |
| 22:22.24 | Fox_1_ | how to restart logrotated?? |
| 22:22.32 | abrotman | licued2: what kind of unix/linux ? |
| 22:22.34 | licued2 | LOL |
| 22:22.37 | licued2 | okay example taken |
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| 22:23.15 | dondelelcaro | !info mono-apache-server |
| 22:23.34 | licued2 | abrotman, Debian/Linux |
| 22:23.38 | dondelelcaro | snot: it isn't a virtual package, at least on sid. |
| 22:23.40 | abrotman | !tell licued2 about grounding |
| 22:23.55 | abrotman | experimental ? |
| 22:24.02 | licued2 | lol |
| 22:24.02 | abrotman | !info mono-apache-server experimental |
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| 22:24.05 | licued2 | I'm not a new user ;) |
| 22:24.06 | licued2 | at all |
| 22:24.14 | licued2 | I'm just curious what you guy would consider 'experinced' |
| 22:24.36 | licued2 | I mean I know how to do a ton of stuff, but maybe I know more then 90%, maybe I know less then 90% |
| 22:24.39 | dpkg | mono-apache-server: (backend for mod_mono Apache module), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 22:24.41 | licued2 | I don't know my 'status' really |
| 22:24.42 | snot | dondelelcaro: sid? |
| 22:24.43 | abrotman | licued2: different people are experienced in different things |
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| 22:24.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 22:24.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: Version: 1.0.5-2 (sid) |
| 22:25.02 | licued2 | I've only been working with it for 2 years |
| 22:25.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mono-apache-server |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i just saw it |
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| 22:25.56 | EdibleText | licued2, i think after two years you have crossed a threshold and really begin to get better |
| 22:26.11 | EdibleText | licued2, at least that what i felt like after two years |
| 22:26.14 | samoh | are you still around nixie ? |
| 22:26.16 | nixie | licued2: it's not just about knowing facts, its also about your ability to analyze problems and take logical (abstract) steps to solve them |
| 22:26.20 | abrotman | licued2: it depends on what happens in those two years .. if you don't ever try to learn anything and nothing breaks ... you're not going to learn much |
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| 22:26.22 | licued2 | samoh me? |
| 22:26.32 | nixie | samoh yea. did you paste your ifconfig and route -n in http://pastebin.com? |
| 22:26.38 | samoh | yes |
| 22:26.38 | licued2 | I'm a UNIX admin lol |
| 22:26.44 | licued2 | ;) |
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| 22:26.55 | nixie | samoh: whats the url?:) |
| 22:26.57 | licued2 | and I took the job with very very very little experince |
| 22:27.00 | licued2 | and I survived |
| 22:27.04 | licued2 | and now I know...a lot! |
| 22:27.08 | numist | that sounds familiar, licued2 |
| 22:27.09 | samoh | http://pastebin.com/444173 |
| 22:27.21 | Guerin | those are the best kind of jobs |
| 22:27.27 | licued2 | I pretty much lied my way into the interview |
| 22:27.28 | snot | dondelelcaro: do I need to change my sources or what? I'm a bit lost here |
| 22:27.31 | EdibleText | "oh, sure ... i can do that!" |
| 22:27.34 | licued2 | hahahah yeap! |
| 22:27.35 | Guerin | the ones where you have to work your arse off just to understand wth is going on |
| 22:27.40 | licued2 | yeap exaclty |
| 22:27.48 | nixie | samoh: you have 3 network cards? |
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| 22:28.12 | FarrisG | has anyone successfully installed firmware, drivers & software for a 3ware 9550SX raid card in debian? |
| 22:28.22 | licued2 | when I first got to the job they said "we want a UNIX VPN site-site, with sendmail / courier-imap, MRTG< and nagios setup" |
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| 22:28.23 | samoh | yes eth0 is the network port eth1 seems to be the infrared on the laptop and eth2 is recognized as wifi |
| 22:28.31 | licued2 | I had NO clue what they where talking about |
| 22:28.31 | Stal1n | hi everybody |
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| 22:28.42 | abrotman | yeah .. i have a problem .. i can't lie during interviews |
| 22:28.43 | licued2 | and it was so...so...hard to figure that all out on the fly |
| 22:28.44 | nixie | FarrisG: 3ware 9xxx series are supported in the kernel. 3dmd should run, firmware? |
| 22:28.47 | dondelelcaro | snot: if you're running sid or testing, you may need to apt-get update; |
| 22:28.48 | licued2 | but!... i survived! :) |
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| 22:29.14 | mjk64 | Where does Debian store the boot video driver and mode? GRUB and the first few lines of booting are in text mode, then it switches to some graphics mode (using driver vesafb, I guess). "vidmode /boot/vmlinuz*" claims "Video mode 65535" - huh? And in GRUB's menu.lst, there is nothing about "vga" or "video". |
| 22:29.24 | EdibleText | licued2, well at least the people whpo hire you sort of knew what they wanted.. ;) |
| 22:29.33 | Kluster_v2 | You know you can lie during an interview when they ask if you're part of any visible minority and you answer "black" being white |
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| 22:29.46 | licued2 | EdibleText: hehe yea |
| 22:29.58 | licued2 | I setup a lot more though, and then I started taking control very quickly |
| 22:30.08 | nixie | mjk64: at that time the kernel should not access the partitions yet. i think. |
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| 22:30.28 | nixie | samoh: well, you have 3 default gateways. you can only have one. |
| 22:30.34 | licued2 | lol |
| 22:30.39 | mjk64 | nixie: Yeah, so video driver and mode must be ... ah, wait ... the initrd! I'm gonna mount it now ... |
| 22:30.42 | licued2 | unless you have 3 nics |
| 22:30.59 | EdibleText | licued2, Congratz! You have won first prize in the BOFH contest! |
| 22:31.06 | samoh | ok so i remove two of these lines . does it matter which eth number i leave in there ? |
| 22:31.06 | nixie | samoh: if you only use wireless (eth3?), comment out the gateway line for eth0 and eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:31.10 | licued2 | BOFH? |
| 22:31.19 | EdibleText | !bofh |
| 22:31.20 | dpkg | bofh is probably http://bofh.ntk.net, or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/ |
| 22:31.30 | FarrisG | nixie: I have the module loaded, but the CLI tool doesn't recognize the card, and 3dmd won't run either. The 3ware BIOS tool claims at startup that there is no BIOS installed |
| 22:31.31 | licued2 | lol |
| 22:31.32 | nixie | samoh: it does. in fact if you dont use eth0 or eth1, i would ifdown them. |
| 22:31.46 | licued2 | or remove them physically? :P |
| 22:31.47 | snot | dondelelcaro: deb http://people.debian.org/~formorer/mono backports main - thats what I have in my source file... sorry I'm a bit lost here |
| 22:32.39 | samoh | i dont use them, how do you down them ? |
| 22:32.43 | nixie | FarrisG: hm. so does dmesg tells you it sees the device? and if so, does it see any sdX disks? |
| 22:32.48 | samoh | i commented out the gateway lines |
| 22:32.56 | nixie | samoh: ifdown eth0 or eth1 |
| 22:32.58 | Guerin | i knew a guy who knew the Simon Travaglia, while studying compsci at Waikato U in the 80s |
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| 22:33.11 | Guerin | apparently he's a really decent bloke... |
| 22:33.27 | samoh | it worked, nixie, thanks a lot :) |
| 22:33.36 | FarrisG | nixie: I don't see the card in dmesg. It shows up as an unknown device in lspci |
| 22:33.54 | samoh | i use kwifi manager here to start the wifi everytime i boot, is there a way to do that automatically ? |
| 22:33.56 | nixie | FarrisG: but do you see the 3mware driver loaded in dmesg at all? |
| 22:34.16 | jaybar | where are the settings that control what modules get asigned to which devices for the ethernet devices? |
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| 22:34.31 | nixie | FarrisG: even if it doesnt detect the board it should say something |
| 22:34.32 | cy_ | hello.. "E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled" how can i sneak around that ? |
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| 22:34.53 | FarrisG | nixie: Nope. |
| 22:34.55 | Guerin | jaybar: any given piece of hardware usually has only one appropriate module |
| 22:35.03 | Arsion | can anyone suggest a program that will allow me to do automatic backups of certain files and upload them to my WinXp box? |
| 22:35.10 | Guerin | jaybar: restate your question: i don't think you mean what you think you mean. |
| 22:35.15 | nixie | FarrisG: are you absolutely sure that the driver gets loaded then? |
| 22:35.33 | Guerin | Arsion: cron, tar and lftp |
| 22:35.34 | cy_ | Arsion; bash-script+zip+scp ? |
| 22:35.37 | cy_ | haha |
| 22:35.42 | cy_ | yeah, and cron |
| 22:35.45 | jaybar | Guerin: thnx Guerin ..thats what i thought..but the dang thing is attaching to a different address |
| 22:35.46 | FarrisG | nixie: How can I be sure? I "modprobe 3w-9xxx" and then lsmod shows it loaded |
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| 22:35.53 | Guerin | Arsion: or use samba and just copy the over |
| 22:35.57 | nixie | FarrisG: seems sure. heh |
| 22:36.12 | Guerin | jaybar: you mean nic #1 is sometimes eth0 and sometimes eth1? |
| 22:36.17 | sandman | Is there a journaling filesystem that can fit into a floppy? |
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| 22:36.32 | cy_ | hello.. "E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled" how can i sneak around that ? without needing them to get actually removed and then reinstall again.. |
| 22:36.41 | nixie | FarrisG: " Linux 2.6.14 kernel or greater includes a driver for the 9550SX series controllers" |
| 22:36.43 | Guerin | sandman: running a journalling filesystem on a floppy disk is an extremely stupid idea |
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| 22:37.12 | lightbright | is it possible to use cp or rsync to copy files directly to a CD-RW or blank DVD? |
| 22:37.18 | Guerin | lightbright: no. |
| 22:37.19 | FarrisG | nixie: Heh, and I'm using a 2.6.12 kernel. But the module is there |
| 22:37.20 | nixie | FarrisG: if i grep -ri 9550 drivers/scsi/* on 2.6.13 i get zip. |
| 22:37.23 | cy_ | hello.. "E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled" how can i sneak around that ? without needing them to get actually removed and then reinstall again.. |
| 22:37.30 | mjk64 | lightbright: With a DVD-RAM, you can do that. |
| 22:37.32 | lightbright | Guerin: no way whatsoever? |
| 22:37.33 | Guerin | cy_: we read it the first time. |
| 22:37.37 | lightbright | mjk64: how? |
| 22:37.42 | nixie | FarrisG: prolly a recent addition. upgrade:) |
| 22:37.51 | mjk64 | lightbright: Just copy it to the DVD-RAM. |
| 22:37.56 | Guerin | lightbright: you need to use cdrecord or growisofs, or something |
| 22:37.56 | cy_ | Guerin eh ? nobody ever came to this point ? |
| 22:37.57 | jaybar | Guerin: no.. the driver module for eth0 is going to some 000.xx something address instead of the pci device..and i have to modprobe -r that module and reload it then eth0 up to get it to work |
| 22:37.57 | lightbright | mjk64: how? :) |
| 22:38.00 | cy_ | cant be... |
| 22:38.10 | mjk64 | lightbright: cp -avi <somefiles> /media/dvd-ram (or whatever your mountpoint is) |
| 22:38.16 | lightbright | mjk64: vopy it to /dev/hdc? |
| 22:38.35 | Guerin | lightbright: or use some trickiness which makes you THINK you're just copying, when in fact it's using cdrecord or growisofs |
| 22:38.36 | mjk64 | lightbright: No, you must mount your DVD-RAM, and it should contain a UDF file system. |
| 22:38.52 | Guerin | is a UDF filesystem writable? |
| 22:39.00 | mjk64 | Guerin: It is. |
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| 22:39.34 | lightbright | mjk64: how do I do that wirh a UDF file system.? |
| 22:39.37 | Guerin | cy_: i've never seen or heard of it. |
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| 22:40.01 | lightbright | mjk64: how do I get it to contain a a UDF file system? |
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| 22:40.15 | mjk64 | lightbright: Insert a DVD-RAM into your DVD-RAM-capable DVD writer, then issue mkudffs /dev/hdc (or whatever your DVD-RAM device is called). |
| 22:40.16 | zandoval | Is this the node for debian/knoppix users |
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| 22:40.42 | lightbright | mjk64: No manual entry for mkudffs |
| 22:40.43 | mjk64 | lightbright: Then do a "mkdir -p /media/dvdram && mount /dev/hdc /media/dvdram" |
| 22:40.53 | lightbright | mjk64: whats mkudffs |
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| 22:40.55 | lightbright | ? |
| 22:41.16 | mjk64 | lightbright: apt-cache search mkudffs |
| 22:41.41 | lightbright | mjudftools - tools for UDF filesystems and DVD/CD-R(W) drives |
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| 22:41.58 | mjk64 | lightbright: mkudffs is a tool (part of udftools) for making UDF file systems. |
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| 22:42.20 | Guerin | zandoval: no, you want #knoppix |
| 22:42.23 | mjk64 | lightbright: udftools is the package you want, right. |
| 22:42.30 | zandoval | How do you install a new versionof firefox to debian/knoppix - Dose the old version have to be removed first |
| 22:42.30 | lightbright | mjk64: ok |
| 22:42.57 | mjk64 | lightbright: I guess you know the rest. :-) If not: "aptitude install udftools" |
| 22:43.07 | bwelmers | someone here an idea how to add a font to the Xorg system in debian? |
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| 22:43.12 | thingfish | zandoval: you wait until it's packaged (hopefully) for sarge, then get it the normal way you get security updates. |
| 22:43.23 | bwelmers | I tried to put it in ~/.fonts but it doesn't seem to work |
| 22:43.27 | lightbright | mjk64: so I install mjudftools and then type "mjudftools /dev/hdc" and thenm type "mkdir -p /media/dvdram && mount /dev/hdc /media/dvdram" and then I can iuse rsync or cp to copy direct? |
| 22:43.33 | thingfish | bwelmers: I just put them in ~/.fonts |
| 22:43.33 | bwelmers | I already checked /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
| 22:43.37 | Arsion | another question. is cron safe? otherwords, i am starting up webhosting with limited ssh access, if I offer cron as well, can they do malicious things to my server with it? |
| 22:43.55 | thingfish | works here, bwelmers |
| 22:43.57 | zandoval | thingfish - thanks - you are so right - will wait - OUT |
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| 22:43.59 | mjk64 | lightbright: What's mjudftools? |
| 22:44.04 | bwelmers | it's a fixed-width non-ttf font btw |
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| 22:44.17 | mjk64 | lightbright: Did it output "mjudftools"? It should have said "udftools"! |
| 22:44.37 | lightbright | apt-cache search mkudffs |
| 22:44.37 | lightbright | mjk64: thats what showed when I typed: |
| 22:44.50 | lightbright | mjk64: no it only showed mjudftools |
| 22:44.57 | mjk64 | lightbright: What?? |
| 22:45.03 | bwelmers | strange |
| 22:45.16 | mjk64 | lightbright: Copy the line "apt-cache search mkudffs" exactly, please! |
| 22:45.20 | lightbright | mjk64: when I typed: apt-cache search mkudffs |
| 22:45.21 | lightbright | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.32 | mjk64 | lightbright: Yes, that's right! |
| 22:45.33 | lightbright | mjk64: so I meant udftools |
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| 22:45.41 | mjk64 | lightbright: ah, a typo, okay |
| 22:45.43 | lightbright | mjk64: sorry was a typo earlier :P |
| 22:45.45 | mjk64 | lightbright: =) |
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| 22:45.53 | lightbright | mjk64: so I install udftools and then type "mjudftools /dev/hdc" and thenm type "mkdir -p /media/dvdram && mount /dev/hdc /media/dvdram" and then I can iuse rsync or cp to copy direct? |
| 22:46.03 | lightbright | oops did it agbain :P |
| 22:46.05 | mjk64 | lightbright: Yeah, just install udftools, which will give you the command mkudffs. Then proceed as you wrote above |
| 22:46.11 | mjk64 | lightbright: Exactly. =) |
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| 22:46.23 | lightbright | mjk64: heh ok ;) |
| 22:46.24 | mjk64 | lightbright: You can handle it nearly like a floppy then. |
| 22:46.32 | lightbright | mjk64: thats cool, great |
| 22:46.36 | lightbright | :) |
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| 22:47.02 | mjk64 | lightbright: Just remember: max. 10,000 guaranteed write cycles for DVD-RAMs *without* cartridge and max. 100,000 guaranteed write cycles for DVD-RAMs *with* cartridge. |
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| 22:47.36 | mjk64 | lightbright: And probably a few million write cylces on a magneto-optical medium. :-) |
| 22:47.41 | lightbright | mjk64: can this also work for my CD-RW writer? I cant copy direct to my CD-RW? |
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| 22:47.53 | lightbright | cant = can |
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| 22:48.28 | mjk64 | lightbright: No, CD-RWs are not capable of direct access. |
| 22:48.52 | lightbright | mjk64: ok only DVD writers, ok |
| 22:48.55 | mjk64 | lightbright: You could only "trick" by using some kind of overlay filesystem which makes the CD-RW *look* like a direct-access device. |
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| 22:49.11 | mjk64 | lightbright: Same for DVD+/-R(W). Only DVD-RAMs can be written directly. |
| 22:49.12 | lightbright | mjk64: ok ill have to only use the DVD then, thanks |
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| 22:51.40 | lightbright | mjk64: thats weird, it said udftools |
| 22:51.41 | lightbright | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.41 | lightbright | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:52.16 | minion_ | hi |
| 22:52.24 | thingfish | hehe lightbright, it installs a collection of tools. |
| 22:52.34 | mjk64 | lightbright: The *package* is called udftools. The commands inside the package are these: dpkg -L udftools | grep bin :-) |
| 22:52.42 | thingfish | mkudffs, cdrwtool, pktsetup, and wrudf |
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| 22:53.01 | lightbright | a trout? I never been hit with a trout before :P |
| 22:53.10 | mjk64 | lightbright: It is humiliating. ;-) |
| 22:53.15 | lightbright | mjk64: lol |
| 22:53.21 | mjk64 | =) |
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| 22:53.24 | lightbright | mjk64: i typed this: mkudffs /dev/hdc |
| 22:53.28 | thingfish | lightbright: they're relatively lightweight and harmless. |
| 22:53.29 | mjk64 | lightbright: That's good. |
| 22:53.37 | mjk64 | thingfish: You don't know /my/ trouts! |
| 22:53.44 | lightbright | mjk64: it said: trying to change type of multiple extents |
| 22:53.45 | thingfish | barely more than getting hit with a smelt. |
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| 22:54.00 | lightbright | thingfish: lol |
| 22:54.02 | mjk64 | lightbright: Err ... interesting ... well, does the command finish eventually? |
| 22:54.18 | lightbright | mjk64: no thats all it said |
| 22:54.23 | technomancy | hey, if you set the timezone with tzconfig, does that change become permanent? |
| 22:54.28 | mjk64 | lightbright: Oh. |
| 22:54.28 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:54.34 | lightbright | mjk64: trying to change type of multiple extents |
| 22:54.34 | lightbright | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:54.43 | jade | what util can i use to look at the hex values stored in a file? |
| 22:54.53 | lightbright | mjk64: what did I type wrong? |
| 22:54.55 | Flawless | Does anybody know why kdepim (kmail, knode, etc) is consistently not found on pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org? |
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| 22:55.04 | Flawless | it's such a great repository in every other respect |
| 22:55.04 | mjk64 | lightbright: Nothing, looks good. |
| 22:55.15 | lightbright | mjk64: so thats ok I can proceed? :) |
| 22:55.17 | mjk64 | lightbright: Wait ... |
| 22:55.29 | mjk64 | lightbright: Type this: lsmod | grep udf |
| 22:55.38 | mjk64 | lightbright: What does this show? |
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| 22:56.09 | lightbright | mjk64: empty output |
| 22:56.10 | mjk64 | jade: vche |
| 22:56.22 | mjk64 | lightbright: Oh, then you have to load the udf module: modprobe udf |
| 22:56.32 | mjk64 | lightbright: Probably as root, I'm not sure. |
| 22:56.49 | lightbright | mjk64: when it installed i just noticed it said: Not starting udftools packet writing: No devices listed in /etc/default/udftools |
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| 22:57.39 | itp560 | is anyone using squidguard with chastity-list ? |
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| 22:57.42 | mjk64 | lightbright: Ah, that sounds good. Packet writing is the pseudo-filesystem that makes you believe you can directly access a CD/DVD+/-R(W). And packet writing sucks. At least it did. |
| 22:57.52 | POVaddct | is there any XFree/Xorg driver where Option "Rotate" "CW" actually works? |
| 22:58.45 | mjk64 | POVaddct: I think it worked for my Matrox G450 a while ago (XFree86 4.1, I think (SuSE)) |
| 22:58.51 | mjk64 | POVaddct: XFree86 4.1.0 |
| 22:59.04 | jade | mjk64, thanks |
| 22:59.06 | mjk64 | lightbright: So, did the loading of the module "udf" succeed? |
| 22:59.10 | mjk64 | jade: np =) |
| 22:59.15 | POVaddct | mjk64: it did work with the "nv" driver on XFree 4.2.0, but i get strange results with drivers "sis" and "cirrus" in 4.3.0 |
| 22:59.28 | mjk64 | POVaddct: Hm ... can't judge that. |
| 22:59.49 | lightbright | mjk64: sorry Ill come back and try later! have to slip out for 30mins! bbl , thanks for all your help. see you later |
| 22:59.56 | mjk64 | lightbright: cya! |
| 23:00.30 | POVaddct | mjk64: the problem is that the screen is rotated, but the root window geometry is still 1024x768, not 768x1024 |
| 23:00.31 | thingfish | running off to meet his connection, no doubt. |
| 23:00.53 | mjk64 | POVaddct: Oh, sounds funny. :-} |
| 23:01.25 | michael | dondelelcaro: are you there? |
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| 23:02.28 | POVaddct | mjk64: yeah :) the desktop is too "wide" for the height of the video mode. it scrolls up and down when the mouse reaches the left or right margin |
| 23:02.41 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am making a file server 600 GB raid 5 IDE and am trying to decide what file system to use its going to be mostly large files and mp3's along with debian can someone recomment something? |
| 23:03.03 | dondelelcaro | michael: yeah, wassup? |
| 23:03.16 | Flawless | evilbulgarian: reiser3 |
| 23:03.26 | thingfish | hah |
| 23:03.37 | denomadic | evilbulgarian: I'd suggest ext3 -- it's journaled, which is nice for large arrays, but you can recover as ext2 if needed. |
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| 23:03.38 | Flawless | thingfish: good, serious argument |
| 23:03.40 | evilbulgarian | Flawless: can u give some reasons as to why u prefer it |
| 23:03.47 | thingfish | !reiserfs |
| 23:03.47 | dpkg | well, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 23:04.11 | evilbulgarian | denomadic: yeah ext3 and reiserfs is what im debating between just cant make up my mind |
| 23:04.14 | Flawless | evilbulgarian: It's well-designed and fast |
| 23:04.15 | thingfish | I used reiserfs twice. It blew up on me twice. |
| 23:04.24 | michael | dondelelcaro: it seems like I have a serious network stack issue. Could you help me out with that? Maybe you might pass me your email address? |
| 23:04.29 | alilou | Hi , I have ubuntoo running on an hp compaq mx6110 with a celeron prossecor...I wireless card is not working...could any one help please? |
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| 23:04.41 | dondelelcaro | michael: easier just to deal with it in channel |
| 23:04.43 | Flawless | evilbulgarian: I trust it with my 800GB array completely |
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| 23:04.53 | dondelelcaro | michael: but if you want to e-mail me, /whois me. |
| 23:05.01 | cy_ | is there any way to see if entrys in source.list might conflight eachother for a certain package ? ...... |
| 23:05.04 | Flawless | evilbulgarian: I use reiser3 for more than 10 filesystems professionally and personally. Never had a single problem |
| 23:05.11 | dondelelcaro | my e-mail address should be pretty trivial to figure out. |
| 23:05.27 | Flawless | thingfish: when did you try it? |
| 23:05.29 | denomadic | evilbulgarian: reiserfs is fast, for sure, but ext[23] is pretty solid, and far more widespread (which usually equals more bugs worked out) |
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| 23:05.53 | evilbulgarian | Flawless: have u had to drives from the raid fail and then the FS be corrupted |
| 23:05.58 | thingfish | Flawless: maybe 9 months to a year ago. |
| 23:06.11 | Flawless | evilbulgarian: I have drives fail, but the raid did not get corrupted |
| 23:06.15 | Flawless | I have had* |
| 23:06.27 | Flawless | thingfish: what particularly did you do to smash it? |
| 23:06.33 | alilou | How can \I determin the type of my wireless card and how can I install it on a HP compac nx6110... thank you |
| 23:06.38 | thingfish | I knew that was coming. |
| 23:06.45 | Flawless | alilou: pci? |
| 23:06.49 | Flawless | thingfish: I had to ask ;) |
| 23:06.53 | thingfish | I hate fanatics. |
| 23:06.56 | denomadic | alilou: check your dmesg or lspci output |
| 23:07.02 | Flawless | thingfish: oh shut up, I didn't mean it like that |
| 23:07.10 | thingfish | present company excluded, of course. :) |
| 23:07.14 | Flawless | thingfish: I'm just meant: under what circumstances did it happen? :) |
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| 23:07.21 | Flawless | thingfish: hehe ;) |
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| 23:07.34 | PDani_ | how can i encrypt a file with blowfish-algorythm |
| 23:07.36 | PDani_ | ? |
| 23:07.49 | cy_ | you guys :/ |
| 23:07.56 | cy_ | is there any way to see if entrys in source.list might conflight eachother for a certain package ? ...... |
| 23:07.59 | Arsion | another question. is cron safe? otherwords, i am starting up webhosting with limited ssh access, if I offer cron as well, can they do malicious things to my server with it? |
| 23:08.05 | Flawless | cy_: not easily |
| 23:08.05 | denomadic | PDanu_: can't remember, but does GnuPG do blowfish? |
| 23:08.08 | thingfish | Flawless: under which circumstances? You could call the circumstances "out of the blue". |
| 23:08.11 | Flawless | Arsion: yes |
| 23:08.18 | Flawless | Arsion: as in "yes, they can" |
| 23:08.23 | Flawless | thingfish: well ok :) |
| 23:08.29 | Flawless | thingfish: what kind of error? |
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| 23:08.33 | Arsion | Flawless: how do I prevent such but yet offer some limited user of cron? |
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| 23:08.41 | cy_ | Flawless; in my eyes then such a thing is missing.. for the unstable users..... |
| 23:08.43 | Flawless | thingfish: and did you install ext2/3 on the exact same hardware afterwards, without problems? |
| 23:08.45 | alilou | flawless: please explain to me more cause i am a newbie....are you asking me if it is PCI? how to find out....if that is the answer how can I detemine the type of driver I should use to install..?:) |
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| 23:09.11 | Flawless | alilou: well, is it a physical PCI extension card that you put in your computer? |
| 23:09.28 | Flawless | Arsion: learn about security :) |
| 23:09.39 | Flawless | Arsion: no seriously, you have to decide what you want to allow your users to do |
| 23:09.46 | michael | dondelelcaro: okay. as you know, I have to nic's installed, both using the 3c59x module. I would like to have one nic (ethx) to manage LAN connections and connect to apt sites, and the other to connect to a vpn network |
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| 23:09.57 | Flawless | Arsion: if that includes a shell access, you're not giving them anything else with cron (baring security holes, of course) |
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| 23:10.24 | efaistos | do u know a package with whom I can merge two avi (divx) in one piece ? |
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| 23:10.34 | Flawless | cy_: I'm not a debian programmer, and I don't really understand what you want to do |
| 23:10.34 | alilou | Flawless: But my computer is a laptop compac nx 6110 with n integrated wireless card...? |
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| 23:10.39 | Flawless | efaistos: avimerge |
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| 23:10.46 | Flawless | alilou: ok |
| 23:10.46 | cy_ | Flawless; np... |
| 23:10.51 | Flawless | alilou: try "lspci" |
| 23:10.51 | cy_ | :/ |
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| 23:11.05 | efaistos | Flawless, thnaks |
| 23:11.09 | thingfish | Flawless: 1) too long ago to remember anything near the exact error message, or even really the nature of the error, except that parts of the file system were missing 2) yes, ext3 installs(ed) fine onto same hardware. |
| 23:11.12 | Flawless | cy_: you can try a no-act installation. that will report any potential problems, without actually doing nasty things first :) |
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| 23:11.25 | Arsion | Flawless: well, i want them to be able to have the access to cron, but just dont want them to be able to automatically run stuff that only root should be able to do |
| 23:11.27 | efaistos | Flawless, which pkg ? |
| 23:11.42 | thingfish | Flawless: and I'm not one to mess around with my o.s., experimenting with it and ruining it. |
| 23:11.47 | Flawless | Arsion: and they aren't, since they run under their own security context |
| 23:11.48 | michael | dondelelcaro: but somehow things are just strange since I installed the second NIC |
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| 23:11.54 | Flawless | thingfish: sure |
| 23:12.02 | Flawless | thingfish: I just hate ext3 fanatics ;) |
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| 23:12.11 | Flawless | thingfish: present company excluded, of course :) |
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| 23:12.16 | dondelelcaro | michael: strange in what way? |
| 23:12.17 | Flawless | efaistos: sec |
| 23:12.21 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:12.33 | Sneaky_Bastard | I hate all fanatics |
| 23:12.34 | Flawless | efaistos: transcode |
| 23:12.36 | Arsion | Flawless: ok, so if they are only allowed within their own home directory, there really isnt much they can do right? |
| 23:12.37 | thingfish | !beer Flawless |
| 23:12.40 | Sneaky_Bastard | in fact, I'm fanatical in my hatred! |
| 23:12.42 | efaistos | Flawless, okidoki |
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| 23:12.56 | Flawless | Sneaky_Bastard: now I hate you! |
| 23:12.59 | Flawless | Sneaky_Bastard: eh.. ;) |
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| 23:13.18 | Sneaky_Bastard | yes, I even hate myself >:( |
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| 23:13.26 | Sneaky_Bastard | BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha!!! |
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| 23:13.30 | Flawless | Sneaky_Bastard: hehe ;) |
| 23:13.34 | Flawless | thingfish: IPA? |
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| 23:13.43 | Flawless | thingfish: it can't be good though ;) |
| 23:13.46 | michael | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 23:13.47 | Arsion | i hate ...telemarketers....bill collectors....and specially....the IRS |
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| 23:14.15 | dondelelcaro | michael: what is happening strangely? |
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| 23:14.20 | Flawless | Arsion: you have to think about it this way: the only, and I do mean _only_ task cron does, is start programs at some specified time. |
| 23:14.21 | Fox_1_ | how to disable selinux???? |
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| 23:14.35 | Flawless | Arsion: It does this in _exactly_ the same way as if the users themselves had typed it into the console |
| 23:14.37 | mjk64 | What's /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d for? I know the file blacklist, but how is the directory handled? Do I "touch <nameofmodule>" in that dir? |
| 23:14.38 | Sneaky_Bastard | "My name is Inigo Montya. You killed my father. Now I shall kill you. PREPARE TO DIE!" |
| 23:14.41 | thingfish | Flawless: yeah, what's up with that factoid...that didn't go as expected at all. Let's try it again. |
| 23:14.46 | thingfish | !beer Flawless |
| 23:14.51 | thingfish | there we go. |
| 23:14.54 | Flawless | haha ;) |
| 23:14.57 | Flawless | thanks! ... I guess :) |
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| 23:15.05 | Flawless | !beer thingfish |
| 23:15.05 | bwelmers | could defoma prevent KDE from using fonts installed in my ~/.fonts dir? |
| 23:15.17 | michael | dondelelcaro: okay I started the vpnclient and it rewrote the complete resolv.conf and I have to reset the pc each time, because I cant ssh into it anymore |
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| 23:15.29 | Flawless | Fox_1_: please respecify request |
| 23:15.33 | Arsion | Flawless: okay...good. just what i needed to know. |
| 23:15.47 | lucox | hi boys, how do you see it with firefox 1.5 ? when will it be in official repositories ? |
| 23:15.50 | zandoval | #knoppix |
| 23:15.59 | Flawless | Arsion: so, if you have shell access that is secure (ha. ha.), then cron access is secure. If not, then not |
| 23:16.12 | Arsion | Flawless: ha ha? |
| 23:16.19 | Sneaky_Bastard | Chron is your best friend and your worst enemy |
| 23:16.20 | Flawless | Arsion: shell access is very hard to make secure |
| 23:16.30 | Arsion | Flawless: explain please? |
| 23:16.30 | Sneaky_Bastard | Time waits for no man! Time Marches On! |
| 23:16.34 | Flawless | Arsion: well, depends who you are fighting of course ;) |
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| 23:16.37 | lucox | does anybody know ? |
| 23:16.44 | Fox_1_ | i don't know. i install software and it doesn't work. in forum i read that i must disable selinux. |
| 23:17.04 | Flawless | Fox_1_: how did you enable it in the first place? |
| 23:17.06 | lucox | i mean unstable ... |
| 23:17.07 | thingfish | lucox: for sarge? As 1.5, never. As possibly a backported 1.0.4...a few weeks maybe. |
| 23:17.20 | thingfish | oh too slow am i. |
| 23:17.21 | lucox | sid |
| 23:17.58 | Fox_1_ | i didn't do anything |
| 23:18.02 | Arsion | Flawless: i know, right now, i have it set up to where only certain IP's can connect using hosts.allow file. What else am I missing to make sure someone whom ends up hosting with me, doesnt get pissed off and go on a rampage in SSH and totally ruin the server? |
| 23:18.08 | Fox_1_ | i didn't enable it |
| 23:18.12 | thingfish | lucox: just keep an eye on packages.debian.org; you'll find out when. |
| 23:18.25 | Flawless | Arsion: well, that's quite hard actually. It's What You Get Paid For (Tm) ;-) |
| 23:18.47 | EdibleText | Arsion, contracts and lawyers |
| 23:18.49 | lucox | ok thnx i'll |
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| 23:19.05 | Arsion | Flawless: so the only safe thing, is contracts and majorly frequent backups |
| 23:19.05 | Flawless | Arsion: but seriously, set (un)reasonably low ulimits, and make SURE you have your suidroot binaries on a short list |
| 23:19.18 | Flawless | Arsion: it's a start ;) |
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| 23:19.35 | Flawless | Arsion: essentially you're asking "how do I secure a computer". That's NOT an easy question! |
| 23:19.40 | Arsion | Flawless: ok, still a newb here.... ulimits? suidroot? |
| 23:19.42 | lucox | thingfish: no rss there ? :( |
| 23:19.50 | EdibleText | !ulimit |
| 23:19.54 | Flawless | Arsion: maybe you should read some more about system administration :) |
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| 23:20.08 | mjk64 | Arsion: "help ulimit" |
| 23:20.11 | Flawless | Arsion: but I think the most important thing to remember is that security is not a product |
| 23:20.19 | Flawless | Arsion: that is, it's not something you can "buy" or "have". It's a process |
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| 23:20.39 | michael | dondelelcaro: do you understand my problem? I'm sure you do, but you look like being busy atm |
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| 23:20.55 | Arsion | Flawless: right, that I know after dealing over 16 years with Windows lol....and 16 years later...its still a 'work' in 'progress' lol |
| 23:20.55 | thingfish | lucox: good idea, though. |
| 23:20.56 | lucox | thingfis: in sarge : why firefox had to be backported ? |
| 23:20.56 | Flawless | Arsion: You always have to be on the lookout, and you have to constantly rethink your server setup. |
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| 23:21.25 | thingfish | lucox: because of the Debian definition of stable. |
| 23:21.33 | wau | hey all, is there another way to configure debian for the internet besides with pppeoconfig? |
| 23:21.36 | thingfish | version numbers don't change. |
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| 23:21.49 | thingfish | well, if they do, it's very slight. |
| 23:21.55 | Flawless | Arsion: suidroot binaries are programs that have u+s rights, which means that they will be run in the security context of the uid that owns them in the vfs |
| 23:22.05 | Flawless | Arsion: if that didn't make sense, just read more and keep learning :) |
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| 23:23.22 | lucox | thingfish: i know the debian portal 2 years i think - nothing changed or ? is there a possibility or chance in next 10 years to implement rss ? :) |
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| 23:23.32 | jcole | cat file | awk -F ^ '{print $1, $2}' <---- how can i use sed on $1 ?? (leaving $2 alone) |
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| 23:24.12 | thingfish | lucox: the website is, well, what it is. Inertia, you know. |
| 23:24.12 | mjk64 | jcole: print $1 ": " print $2 would help, if no colon is in $1/$2 |
| 23:24.47 | mjk64 | jcole: or just any other character which does not occur otherwise. |
| 23:25.37 | jcole | mjk64: ok, so put a ":" (or whatever) and pipe it to sed? |
| 23:25.40 | Flawless | Arsion: I hope I didn't discourage you :) |
| 23:25.52 | lucox | thingfish: hmmm :( good night ... |
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| 23:25.57 | thingfish | nite nite |
| 23:26.13 | paulswm | Night, thingfish |
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| 23:26.30 | thingfish | well *I'm* not going to be, lucox is. |
| 23:26.33 | mjk64 | jcole: Yes |
| 23:26.33 | thingfish | *bed |
| 23:26.34 | paulswm | thingfish: Sorry, it's not you that's going :P |
| 23:26.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:26.45 | Epod69 | hey everyone, what is the command to view the startup log |
| 23:26.53 | thingfish | hell no, the night is still a child. :) |
| 23:26.55 | azeem | Epod69: dmesg |
| 23:26.56 | paulswm | thingfish: Not that I'm eager for you to leave or anything "P |
| 23:27.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:27.02 | Epod69 | k, thanks azeem =) |
| 23:27.13 | azeem | hit 'n run |
| 23:27.19 | zenwryly | I'm migrating a system with multiple ethernet adapters but in the new system the adapters get different /dev/eth# numbers from the way the system is configured. Is there a way to pass anything to the kernel boot to decided what eth# numbers they get? |
| 23:27.21 | dondelelcaro | michael: you should be using resolvconf so the vpnclient doesn't totally obliterate your resolv.conf |
| 23:27.40 | dondelelcaro | michael: as far as it making you unable to log in, most likely that's due to it setting a default gateway itself, or doing something else silly. |
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| 23:27.52 | paulswm | thingfish: But it's getting late for me, as Lost and Invasion are on ABC tinight :) |
| 23:27.54 | dondelelcaro | michael: you'll probably need a console on that box to see exactly what is going on there. |
| 23:28.14 | thingfish | paulswm: hah cool, my roomie is into both of those. |
| 23:29.33 | Arsion | Why You Can't Find Your System Administrator ................You *are* the system administrator |
| 23:29.43 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:30.12 | thingfish | that's when you log in to #debian. |
| 23:30.17 | Arsion | They were taken away by the police after killing the last user who asked a stupid question |
| 23:30.20 | thingfish | and beg. |
| 23:30.37 | Arsion | lol true enough |
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| 23:31.30 | Flawless | Arsion: :) |
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| 23:32.12 | lightbright | mjk64: im back! so anyway, I type: mkudffs /dev/hdc and then "mkdir -p /media/dvdram && mount /dev/hdc /media/dvdram" and then I can use rsync to copy from hard drive to DVD? |
| 23:32.14 | Arsion | ooo my fav |
| 23:32.22 | Arsion | Why You Can't Find Your System Administrator ................You are afraid that the admin will use you as a punch bag so you are searching for them, but desperately pray that you don't find them. |
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| 23:32.52 | mjk64 | lightbright: Yes, if you have loaded the module "udf" before. |
| 23:32.54 | _edward_ | zenwryly check out writing udev rules |
| 23:33.08 | cshaman | hello everyone. |
| 23:33.23 | lightbright | mjk64: how do I load the udf module? and when should that be done? before anything else as 1 step? |
| 23:33.35 | mjk64 | I have loaded "matroxfb_base", and the screen is now garbage. Any chance to get back to working screen? :-} |
| 23:33.37 | zenwryly | _edward_: thanks |
| 23:33.58 | mjk64 | lightbright: Before you run mkudffs, type: "modprobe udf" |
| 23:34.19 | mjk64 | lightbright: You probably have to be root to do that. |
| 23:34.20 | EdibleText | mjk64, ssh from remote may be a start |
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| 23:34.33 | lightbright | mjk64: ok cool, thanks |
| 23:34.35 | mjk64 | EdibleText: Alas, ssh is not activated (yet). :-} |
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| 23:34.46 | mjk64 | lightbright: Did it load correctly? Does mkudffs work now? |
| 23:34.48 | EdibleText | mjk64, ah oops ;) |
| 23:34.51 | Flawless | later all |
| 23:34.54 | mjk64 | EdibleText: :-} |
| 23:34.55 | Arsion | http://www.vaiism.com/bigadmin/sysadmin.html |
| 23:35.01 | Arsion | Flawless: later |
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| 23:35.11 | cshaman | what do you all normally use to send/recv e-mail via debian? |
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| 23:35.18 | kukAW | http://picasa.hu/1133393718-1011_de4.jpg ;-) :) |
| 23:35.20 | michael | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by "you should be using resolvconf" ? |
| 23:35.21 | Guerin | !polls |
| 23:35.21 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:35.40 | _edward_ | when do we get kde 3.5 packages? |
| 23:35.44 | Epod69 | hey, is there a way to recreate the fstab file ? |
| 23:35.55 | Epod69 | without editing it |
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| 23:36.07 | lightbright | mjk64: 1. modprobe udf 2. mkudffs /dev/hdc 3. mkdir -p /media/dvdram && mount /dev/hdc /media/dvdram 4. rsync -avxH / /dev/hdc ? |
| 23:36.17 | cshaman | yeah, i'm asking everyone. it's not meant to be specific. |
| 23:36.29 | lightbright | mjk64: thats all I need to backup my hard drive to the DVD? |
| 23:36.32 | mjk64 | lightbright: Yes (just item 4 I don't know =) |
| 23:36.36 | cshaman | just getting an idea of the sorts of mail clients. |
| 23:36.56 | EdibleText | Epod69, cross your arms in front of you, then simutaniously blink and nod (down then up) |
| 23:36.56 | mjk64 | lightbright: And for the future, you should add "udf" to /etc/modules |
| 23:36.58 | lightbright | mjk64: when I want to use cp or rsync to backup and write to the DVD, isnt the desination /dev/hdc? |
| 23:37.06 | lightbright | mjk64: ok will do |
| 23:37.06 | mjk64 | lightbright: Or whatever the syntax is ("man modules", and you'll know) |
| 23:37.39 | mjk64 | lightbright: No, you do *not* want to write directly on the device with cp/rsync, because at least "cp" operates on file system level. |
| 23:37.45 | Epod69 | EdibleText, so there is a way ? |
| 23:37.52 | mjk64 | lightbright: You could "tar" your files directly to /dev/hdc, of course. |
| 23:38.06 | lightbright | mjk64: eh? but my main objective was to be able to write fromhard drive to DVD? :P |
| 23:38.08 | EdibleText | heh |
| 23:38.12 | alilou | Flawless: I tired lspci the wireless card as far as the system says is unknown. I had a look on the internet it seem that the card type is an : Intel 802.11b/g Wireless (MPCI) |
| 23:38.25 | lightbright | mjk64: why can I tar to DVD and no cp and rsync? |
| 23:39.05 | POVaddct | alilou: so its probably an intel pro/wireless 2200 |
| 23:39.07 | mjk64 | lightbright: Because "tar" can access devices directly, without need of a file system. cp/rsync need a file system. |
| 23:39.10 | EdibleText | Epod69, there is porbabaly in an example in the /usr/share directory |
| 23:39.13 | mjk64 | lightbright: But where is the problem? |
| 23:39.27 | mjk64 | lightbright: Choose cp or tar, whatever you like. |
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| 23:39.49 | lightbright | mjk64: so I can use cp now? |
| 23:39.49 | POVaddct | alilou: if so, you need the ipw2200 driver (and the firmware) |
| 23:39.57 | mjk64 | lightbright: cp <somefiles> /media/dvdram OR tar cvfW <somefiles> /dev/hdc |
| 23:40.01 | EdibleText | Epod69, /usr/share/doc/mount/examples/fstab.gz |
| 23:40.03 | mjk64 | lightbright: You can. |
| 23:40.07 | lightbright | mjk64: all I want to do is mirror copy my hda to DVD |
| 23:40.13 | lightbright | mjk64: ok :) |
| 23:40.16 | Jacky^ | hi, whats the name for unstable now ? |
| 23:40.27 | mjk64 | lightbright: Use cp to copy whatever files need to be backed up to /media/dvdram |
| 23:40.41 | mjk64 | !releases |
| 23:40.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 23:40.52 | EdibleText | Epod69, of course youll have to edit it though |
| 23:40.53 | lightbright | mjk64: i use this from hda to hdb: rsync -avxH --progress / /mnt , so will this work as rsync -avxH --progress / /dev/hdc as well? |
| 23:40.55 | mjk64 | I can't remember codenames. |
| 23:41.04 | alilou | thanks man,, one more thing how do I load the module , what is the command for it...there is no module assistance like in debian...any clues? |
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| 23:41.07 | lightbright | mjk64: ok so its rsync -avxH --progress / /media/dvdram ? |
| 23:41.26 | EdibleText | lightbright, dont copy /proc |
| 23:41.28 | POVaddct | alilou: modprobe ipw2200 |
| 23:41.39 | mjk64 | lightbright: I don't know the rsync syntax ... if it operates on file system level, use /media/dvdram, and if it operates on devices directly, use /dev/hdc |
| 23:41.44 | Jacky^ | sorry, unstable should be 'Sid' right ? |
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| 23:41.46 | EdibleText | lightbright, that will double copy devices and mem and junk |
| 23:41.52 | m_athias | Jacky^: yes |
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| 23:42.02 | samoh | thanks for your help - bye bye |
| 23:42.09 | lightbright | EdibleText: that rsync command perfect from hda to hdb |
| 23:42.13 | zulkifar | hi. How to manage CUPS on Debian? What package should I install? |
| 23:42.14 | messia | notte |
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| 23:42.20 | alilou | Thanks a lot I will try it man...if there is still problem I will get back to you.;) |
| 23:42.23 | EdibleText | lightbright, it copys devices? |
| 23:42.24 | fbi | zulkifar: cupsys |
| 23:42.28 | lightbright | EdibleText: works perfectly and I can even boot of hdb as normal |
| 23:42.32 | zulkifar | fbi: done. Nothing else? |
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| 23:42.38 | quitte | zulkifar: cupsys |
| 23:42.45 | l0rd_Marduk | tem algum brazileiro ai |
| 23:42.51 | EdibleText | lightbright, wow.. I have to reread the fine manual |
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| 23:42.55 | fbi | zulkifar: cupsys will pull anything it depends on. |
| 23:42.58 | lightbright | mjk64: ok ill try all that out later, thanks for your patience and help :) |
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| 23:43.08 | mjk64 | lightbright: np =) |
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| 23:43.26 | Jacky^ | well, im tryng to install a package in Sid it but it have dependences prob: cinelerra: Depend on : libopenexr2c2 (>= 1.2.2) but is not installable |
| 23:43.34 | Jacky^ | why ? |
| 23:43.34 | lightbright | EdibleText: yeah, that command works like a charm! When I use it to copy from hda to hdb, it makes a perfct mirror image and I can boot of hdb as hda boots. works great :) |
| 23:43.49 | zulkifar | fbi, quitte: ok. Can I use /dev/parport* devices with CUPS? (if my question has a sense...) |
| 23:43.54 | zinx | Jacky^: 'cause that's how unstable/testing are |
| 23:43.58 | paulswm | !tell l0rd_Marduk about br |
| 23:44.06 | fbi | zulkifar: no idea what that is. |
| 23:44.07 | zinx | Jacky^: file a bug report if one hasn't already been filed |
| 23:44.09 | EdibleText | lightbright, from dissimiler actual disks? |
| 23:44.23 | lightbright | EdibleText: i just type this command from the root of hda: rsync -avxH --progress / /mnt |
| 23:44.39 | zulkifar | fbi: me 2. But VMWARE wants that instead of lp :) |
| 23:44.41 | EdibleText | lightbright, oh.. |
| 23:44.41 | lightbright | EdibleText: yes from a 10 gig to a 40 gig or whatever |
| 23:44.56 | lightbright | EdibleText: try it :) |
| 23:45.20 | EdibleText | lightbright,i follow... i thought you were rsyncing /dev/hda to /dev/hdb |
| 23:45.22 | l0rd_Marduk | porchoke |
| 23:45.25 | l0rd_Marduk | dunimcn kuslc |
| 23:45.28 | lightbright | EdibleText: All I then do is change the fstab on hdb to point to hdb :) and thats all i need to do |
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| 23:45.42 | EdibleText | lightbright, yes i do that as well . very nice |
| 23:45.45 | Jacky^ | zinx: heres the website and the sources I added, http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html#apt-x86, Im using Sid, im sure but cant understand why wont install |
| 23:45.48 | lightbright | EdibleText: yeah |
| 23:46.01 | EdibleText | lightbright, though i --exclude=/proc/ |
| 23:46.07 | zinx | Jacky^: oh jeez, you're even using third-party repositories? |
| 23:46.19 | Jacky^ | zinx: yeah |
| 23:46.41 | Jacky^ | can't find it in other ways :( |
| 23:46.45 | zinx | Jacky^: libopenexr2c2 was updated to use new naming/alloc, it's called libopenexr2c2a now and isn't binary-compatible. packages that dependend on it need to be updated. |
| 23:46.48 | lightbright | EdibleText: yeah I used to do that, but i dont anymore as it seems to work perfectly anyway! in fact when I excluded /proc/ I used to get some errors for some bizarre reason |
| 23:47.01 | selfcontr0l | question about fstab and mounting of ntfs partition. root can access the directory, but normal user can't... any suggestions? |
| 23:47.14 | lightbright | EdibleText: For fun one day, just mount hdb to /mnt and try this from the root of hda: rsync -avxH --progress / /mnt |
| 23:47.21 | EdibleText | lightbright, cuz /proc didnt exist on the target after boot ;) |
| 23:47.21 | Jacky^ | zinx: oh, ok.. then probably the website is obsolete .. |
| 23:47.26 | lightbright | EdibleText: im sure you will like it |
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| 23:47.41 | EdibleText | lightbright, though i --exclude=/proc/ will make /proc --exlude=/proc will not make /proc |
| 23:47.48 | stew | selfcontr0l: man mount, look at the uid and gid options |
| 23:47.49 | Jacky^ | thanks, I will retry later |
| 23:47.57 | lightbright | EdibleText: yeah with the latest command it creates the /proc exactly as is on hda and theh hdb for me boots and works EXCACTLY like hda |
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| 23:48.36 | selfcontr0l | yeah i tried that, didn't understand... so if i put uid=username,gid=username,umask=755? |
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| 23:49.01 | selfcontr0l | i don't get what it means |
| 23:49.02 | EdibleText | lightbright, you dont --exclude=/mnt/ either |
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| 23:49.05 | EdibleText | ?\ |
| 23:49.09 | stew | selfcontr0l: you probably meant umask=022 |
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| 23:49.23 | EdibleText | lightbright, ill try it your way next time |
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| 23:49.51 | lightbright | EdibleText: no need to, the 'x" tells it not to loop in /mnt |
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| 23:50.04 | MeTaLwHoRe | hi im after some simple bash help, im trying to do a 'for i in `cat test`; do echo $i ; the file has 2 collums of text (space delimited) but the output shows each colum as a new line, how can i do this bearing in mind i need to split the the 2 collums with somthing like awk {'print $1'} later on ?¿ |
| 23:50.06 | Arsion | Why You Can't Find Your System Administrator...........They're actully in their office, but buried under the mound of paper, manuals and spare parts that just avalanced off their desk. |
| 23:50.13 | lightbright | EdibleText: the 'x' switch is the beauty of it |
| 23:50.15 | EdibleText | lightbright, so your setups are typically on one paritition |
| 23:50.32 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.48 | selfcontr0l | 022 is same as ug+rw? |
| 23:51.01 | lightbright | EdibleText: well yeah thats the thing! I only have 2 partitions. hda1 = / and hda2 = swap! do you have a sepearte partitojn for /home do you? |
| 23:51.17 | zulkifar | What are /dev/parport* devices and are they replacement for /dev/lp* devices? |
| 23:51.23 | POVaddct | MeTaLwHoRe: while read one two ; do echo $one ... $two ; done < test |
| 23:51.44 | lightbright | EdibleText: yeah try it this way next time! and then simply boot of the hdb and it works great! |
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| 23:51.59 | MeTaLwHoRe | •POVaddct• hmm ?¿ sorry i dont follow |
| 23:52.01 | stew | selfcontr0l: umask is a "negative" mask. if a file was 777 and the umask is 022, the resultant permissions would be 755, if it were 775 and the umask was 022, the result would also be 755 |
| 23:52.11 | stew | !wikifaq selfcontr0l Permissions |
| 23:52.11 | EdibleText | lightbright, yeah. and for /usr and /var and / .. and i always do it exactly the same way |
| 23:52.12 | dpkg | selfcontr0l: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:52.22 | stew | selfcontr0l: read the umask section there ^^ |
| 23:52.30 | lightbright | EdibleText: so I created 2 partions on hdb first and made hdb2 swap! and then simply used that command to copy from hda1 to hdb1 |
| 23:52.31 | POVaddct | MeTaLwHoRe: you can also do this: cat test | while read one two ; do echo $one ... $two ; done |
| 23:52.40 | lightbright | EdibleText: ok i understand |
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| 23:53.27 | lightbright | EdibleText: have you ever heard of the Linux magainze called Linux Format? |
| 23:53.31 | MeTaLwHoRe | POVaddct aha, thanks a million |
| 23:53.32 | EdibleText | lightbright, i cant have the system stuffed up beacsue some user has a 'mouse error' and accidently nests 4 gigs of scan archives inside antohter directory |
| 23:53.33 | alilou | POVaddct: is there any way I can install ipw2200 using apt. I have added contrib & non-free at the end of each line in the source list, but did not work? |
| 23:53.46 | EdibleText | lightbright, no |
| 23:53.52 | lightbright | EdibleText: ok |
| 23:53.52 | stew | selfcontr0l: basically 022 is ug-w; what you had at 755 is o-rwx,ug-rx |
| 23:53.54 | selfcontr0l | dpkg: exactly what i was looking for :) |
| 23:54.03 | POVaddct | alilou: dont know how the package is called in ubuntu |
| 23:54.23 | _edward_ | MeTaLwHoRe awk '{ print $1, $2 }' test |
| 23:54.29 | lightbright | EdibleText: so all you need to do is create the exact partions on hdb and then use that command for each one |
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| 23:54.41 | POVaddct | alilou: i always build ipw2200 from source |
| 23:54.48 | lightbright | EdibleText: then your 2nd hard drive will boot as first one |
| 23:54.53 | lightbright | EdibleText: or as backup |
| 23:54.56 | stew | alilou: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 23:55.05 | EdibleText | lightbright, indeed |
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| 23:55.11 | lightbright | EdibleText: :) |
| 23:55.25 | lightbright | EdibleText: I know you know that anyway |
| 23:55.29 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 23:55.37 | lightbright | EdibleText: :) |
| 23:55.52 | EdibleText | lightbright, well you made me think more about rsync then i have in a while |
| 23:55.57 | happy_broccoli | is there a way if the groups are set correctly so that one user when creating files, they will be created as another user |
| 23:55.58 | lightbright | happy_broccoli: interesting nickname you have there :P |
| 23:56.06 | lightbright | EdibleText: great :) |
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| 23:56.43 | happy_broccoli | or to give files created in a certain place a group |
| 23:56.46 | selfcontr0l | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.47 | stew | happy_broccoli: unless a user runs newgrp, files will be created with his default group. is that what you were asking? |
| 23:56.48 | M_Cheevy | anyone here worked with the dmraidinitrd script for booting from a SATA RAID? |
| 23:57.00 | happy_broccoli | stew: ah, so i can give a user a different default group ? |
| 23:57.02 | stew | happy_broccoli: or unless the directory they were created in was g+s |
| 23:57.07 | happy_broccoli | ah yes |
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| 23:57.30 | stew | happy_broccoli: the users default group can be changed with usermod |
| 23:59.26 | M_Cheevy | during my initrd boot, I run dmraid -ay, which creates the necessary dev nodes for /dev/mapper, however, when it mounts the real root system, those /dev/mapping nodes get lost, any idea how I can get them to carry over to the new / ? |
