| 00:00.09 | stew | M_Cheevy: do you run udev? |
| 00:00.25 | M_Cheevy | stew: nope, not yet.. barely got the thing to boot with a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 00:01.08 | stew | M_Cheevy: i don't know why dev entries would disappear unless it was because of udev or devfs |
| 00:01.10 | M_Cheevy | every time I try to use aptitude to install udev it wants to upgrade my kernel, which, needless to say I'm deathly afraid of doing |
| 00:01.24 | M_Cheevy | devfs... which appears to be needed by dmraid |
| 00:01.25 | happy_broccoli | stew: what does +s do |
| 00:01.58 | stew | happy_broccoli: if a directory is g+s, all files created in that directory will inherit the group ownership of that directory |
| 00:02.04 | stew | !wikifaq happy_broccoli Permissions |
| 00:02.05 | dpkg | happy_broccoli: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: you're kind of stuck .. new udev requires newer kernels |
| 00:03.32 | selfcontr0l | i am confused...it's user, group, world...so if root owns the directory, then if adam wants to access it it has to have w+rw right? |
| 00:03.37 | M_Cheevy | abrotman: yeah.. so I've gathered... doesn't appear to be a kernel source on the deb tree (sarge/main) of anything more recent though without going amd64 (running two amd athlon MP 2000+) |
| 00:04.03 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: well .. where'd you get a newer udev ? |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: are you running sarge ? |
| 00:04.18 | selfcontr0l | er, w+rwx |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | wtf is w+rwx ? |
| 00:04.46 | M_Cheevy | abrot: yeap.. and don't say go md-raid as I'm also running 3 windows OS's on the system |
| 00:05.02 | M_Cheevy | world gets execute, read, and write permissions |
| 00:05.05 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: are you running sarge ? .. are you 100% sure ? |
| 00:05.06 | paulswm | M_Cheevy, abrotman: new udev requires a kernel not older than 2.6.12 |
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| 00:05.14 | M_Cheevy | abrot: yeap |
| 00:05.19 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm aware of that .. but sarge doesn't hvea that udev |
| 00:05.24 | M_Cheevy | paulswm: I know that... |
| 00:05.27 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: what version of udev are you rtying to install ? |
| 00:05.29 | Coweater | selfcontr0l: o+rwx (u=usr, g=group, o=others) |
| 00:05.34 | M_Cheevy | abrot: there is a udev package |
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| 00:05.40 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: and what is it |
| 00:05.51 | _edward_ | how do you apt-get upgrade packages that have been "kept back" without having to specify each one on the command line? |
| 00:05.51 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I'm not using udev.. I'm using devfs and dmraid |
| 00:05.59 | selfcontr0l | Coweater: so when is it owner, group, world? |
| 00:06.03 | selfcontr0l | AAGH! |
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| 00:06.04 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: and which kernel are you using ? |
| 00:06.12 | M_Cheevy | abrot: 2.6.8 |
| 00:06.15 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: if you want help .. you'll have to answer my questions |
| 00:06.17 | EdibleText | abrotman, isnt that that bad ass rally car from Subabru |
| 00:06.21 | stew | selfcontr0l: it need o+x for a user to cd to the directory, o+r to read that directory o+w to write to that directory. its rare that you would want to give o+w, instead you would usually want that directory to by owned by some group that adam is in and make it g+rwx |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: which version of udev is being installed ? |
| 00:06.24 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I am answering you |
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| 00:06.38 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I AM NOT USING UDEV. It won't work with my kernel |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | EdibleText: SVX ? |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: you're trying to install it right ? |
| 00:06.51 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I am using devfs |
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| 00:07.01 | Coweater | selfcontr0l: others is equivalent to world |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:07.04 | EdibleText | abrotman, i was being cheeky.. the WRX |
| 00:07.05 | selfcontr0l | ok so how do i tell what group i'm in? |
| 00:07.06 | stew | abrotman: he's trying to figure out why /dev/mapper goes away after he boots |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | is he trying to install udev or not ? |
| 00:07.18 | paulswm | udev in sarge should work with any 2.6 kernel |
| 00:07.20 | stew | selfcontr0l: run "groups" |
| 00:07.27 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I have gotten it installed, and booting from the SATA RAID. What's happening is when I come in the real root /dev/mapper/sil_* is not there so I can't mount any other partitions but / |
| 00:07.28 | abrotman | because the udev in sarge doesn't require an upgrade .. but the one in etch does |
| 00:07.31 | Coweater | selfcontr0l: groups username |
| 00:07.49 | Taa5i | Greetings. I am trying to install Debian on an HP NetServer LH3. However, the installer reports no partitionable devices at that point in the process. The computer uses the symbios device. |
| 00:07.51 | selfcontr0l | ok i'm a member of my own group... |
| 00:07.54 | stew | M_Cheevy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:08.08 | M_Cheevy | Taa5i: software raid? |
| 00:08.09 | selfcontr0l | why am i a member of cdrom and dialup and floppy? heh |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | is he trying to install udev or not ? |
| 00:08.18 | stew | abrotman: no, i don't believe so |
| 00:08.22 | abrotman | Taa5i: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
| 00:08.23 | M_Cheevy | abrot: No, I'm not |
| 00:08.31 | Coweater | selfcontr0l: so you'll be able to mount or use related devices |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: are you IRCing from the machine ? |
| 00:08.36 | Taa5i | M_Cheevy: Hardware, actually. Configured via the HP Netraid during post. |
| 00:08.37 | fbi | selfcontr0l: you get added to those groups when you add your user during base-config |
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| 00:08.43 | pdani_ | hi |
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| 00:09.03 | Taa5i | abrotman: I used the businesscard iso for sarge. |
| 00:09.08 | M_Cheevy | abrot: my issue is when I boot, I don't see any of the devices created in initrd for /dev/mapper, the don't carry over from the busybox environ the the real_root environ |
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| 00:09.21 | pdani_ | if i wrote a multisession CD, how can i grab the sessions one-by-one to iso-files? |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | Taa5i: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
| 00:09.31 | M_Cheevy | Taa5i: caution big time, a lot of "hardware" raid is not really hardware raid |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | hsi is SCSI |
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| 00:10.13 | Taa5i | M_Cheevy: Well, considering this is a netserver machine, I'm going to say it's safe to call it hardware raid. It reports creating two logical devices during boot, but apparently debian can't find those. |
| 00:10.14 | M_Cheevy | Taa5i: my sii_3114 has a post bios configuration but still relies heavily on it's drivers to perform the raid operations |
| 00:10.17 | abrotman | i don't think a fakeraid SCSI card exists |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | i know the model he's talking about .. roughly PII/early PIII machines .. |
| 00:10.48 | Taa5i | abrotman: I presume the iso I used is 2.6, it was the one available for businesscard in the minimal installations download. |
| 00:10.51 | M_Cheevy | abrot: he didn't say scsi did he? |
| 00:11.02 | M_Cheevy | abrot: ah, pre fakeraid |
| 00:11.05 | orion666 | hi. is it safe to mount a windows fat32 partition with read/write access (6.14-2 kernel) ? |
| 00:11.15 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: i used an HP Netserver E60 for my workstation for a few years :) |
| 00:11.25 | stew | Taa5i: that iso provides both 2.4 and 2.6 options, if you didn't specifically select 2.6 you got 2.4 |
| 00:11.25 | abrotman | orion666: should be |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | !tell orion666 about vfatrw |
| 00:11.30 | M_Cheevy | fat32 should be safe, ntfs last I checked was still experimental |
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| 00:11.52 | stew | Taa5i: hit f3 at the boot: prompt for the other options |
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| 00:11.58 | M_Cheevy | fbi: typo? |
| 00:12.01 | thingfish | hehe fbi you need more thc |
| 00:12.06 | fbi | M_Cheevy: no shit? |
| 00:12.14 | pdani_ | any idea? |
| 00:12.19 | M_Cheevy | fbi: ;) |
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| 00:12.34 | fbi | thingfish: i'll be inhaling some in 48 minutes |
| 00:12.36 | deadcat | anyone own an iriver? i am using the ifp-line-libifp package but when i jack the card in. it dont do shit. |
| 00:12.49 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: can you paste your sources somewhere ? |
| 00:12.59 | M_Cheevy | abrot: sources on what? |
| 00:13.02 | abrotman | fbi: you slacker .. start at work! |
| 00:13.07 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: your debian sources ? |
| 00:13.12 | fbi | tonight i am contemplating burning down my local xmas tree lot in an effort to start an anti-xmas riot |
| 00:13.12 | michael | I hate the Cisco VPN client |
| 00:13.28 | POVaddct | M_Cheevy: how is it compared to "hounds of love" or even older ones like "the dreaming"? |
| 00:13.32 | fbi | what should i use as the base of my napalm, soap chips or orange juice concentrate |
| 00:13.34 | Taa5i | stew: Thank you, I'll give that a try. |
| 00:13.38 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I think I know what you're asking for... one sec... will post the link to the article that started me off |
| 00:13.40 | stew | michael: why? its never given me troubles |
| 00:13.41 | EdibleText | fbi, there is an new more insideous threat to anti-xmas |
| 00:13.53 | fbi | EdibleText: oh? |
| 00:13.57 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: wtf .. /etc/apt/sources.list .. i want YOUR sources |
| 00:13.58 | stew | M_Cheevy: he wants to see the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:13.59 | M_Cheevy | POV: as good as hounds of love, her voice has apparently dropped a register, no more screechingly high notes.... |
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| 00:14.21 | stew | M_Cheevy: but don't paste in this channel |
| 00:14.21 | EdibleText | fbi, the inflatable winterseen complete with snowment and moving snow |
| 00:14.21 | michael | stew: it overwrites my resolv.conf and makes my whole system unaccessable... vpnc works flawless |
| 00:14.22 | M_Cheevy | Abrot: ftp://ftp.nz.debian.org/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 00:14.30 | fbi | hah |
| 00:14.31 | EdibleText | winterscene even |
| 00:14.33 | POVaddct | M_Cheevy: well, she must be 50-something now :) |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: that's nto a valid line .. try again |
| 00:14.45 | fbi | i'll be burning down those too, if i ever am lucky enough to come across one |
| 00:14.48 | EdibleText | fbi, i have located two so far |
| 00:14.53 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:14.55 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 00:15.06 | selfcontr0l | oooooh....a umask is what we DONT want it to have |
| 00:15.33 | M_Cheevy | abrot: are you getting pedantic on me? you seem to be making an issue of which version I've installed. I've been doing installs since slackware 1, I know what damn distribution I'm using. It's just the whole sata fakeraid issue I'm dealing with here... |
| 00:15.35 | POVaddct | selfcontr0l: you got it :) |
| 00:15.45 | stew | michael: oh i've never had that problem. for me i end up with a new resolv.conf, but still a working one |
| 00:15.54 | stew | michael: and it replaces my old one when i disconnect |
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| 00:16.14 | fpitt_ | Hi to all |
| 00:16.20 | fbi | hi2u! |
| 00:16.20 | deadcat | the iriver is showing usb connected |
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| 00:16.24 | selfcontr0l | that would have been helpful if i'd have grasped that like 3 hours ago hehe |
| 00:16.32 | M_Cheevy | when you're up to your ass in alligators don't forget the first task was to drain the swamp... the distribution is not the issue, the issue is /dev/mapper making it from busybox to real_root |
| 00:16.38 | michael | stew: well, how do you do that? I'm almost giving it up here! |
| 00:16.40 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: this isn't slackware |
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| 00:16.52 | M_Cheevy | no shit sherlock |
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| 00:17.05 | grim | anyone have any suggestions for moving from a 2.4 stock kernel to a 2.6 stock kernel? apt keeps dieing when trying to find a suitable ramdisk generator |
| 00:17.11 | EdibleText | fbi, it is instantly recognized. use this photo to confirm http://images.skymall.com/images/products/7c/28/04/69762282x.jpg |
| 00:17.17 | M_Cheevy | it's hardly my first debian install either.. just my first sata fakeraid... |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. don't answer my question .. you're on your own |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | i really don't care |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 00:17.31 | stew | michael: i didn't have to do anything, sounds like the people that admin the vpn server i use just have things setup better than yours |
| 00:17.33 | EdibleText | its much larger in reality |
| 00:17.49 | stew | michael: if you are getting a bogus resolv.conf its the fault of whomever you are connecting to, afaik |
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| 00:17.51 | NachoLugli | hy |
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| 00:18.04 | fbi | i'm in console i'll have to observe said item next time i'm in X |
| 00:18.07 | NachoLugli | where i can get debian etch or syd ?i cant find it |
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| 00:18.17 | abrotman | !d-i NachoLugli |
| 00:18.21 | dpkg | NachoLugli, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:18.37 | abrotman | NachoLugli: and then upgrade to the one you want |
| 00:18.43 | NachoLugli | sarge? |
| 00:18.46 | michael | stew: great! ... but the Cisco is the only one that can do the Re-Keying ... vpnc dies after almost 4hrs here |
| 00:18.52 | M_Cheevy | abrot: I answered you, you asked what I was using as my source for debs, I told you... sarge on nz.debian.org, but you got your panties in a twist over the exact syntax. |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | i wanted your source file .. |
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| 00:19.46 | M_Cheevy | abrot: to what end? what bloody purpose would that solve.. my issue is a simple one... getting stuff from initrd to real_root |
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| 00:19.56 | NachoLugli | which kernel is with debian sarge ? |
| 00:19.59 | k-man | ? |
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| 00:20.14 | abrotman | NachoLugli: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 with security patches |
| 00:20.36 | abrotman | it's amazing someone who has used slackware since ver 1 can't figure out the tab key |
| 00:20.38 | NachoLugli | i would like to download 2.6.8 |
| 00:20.42 | fbi | haha |
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| 00:20.45 | NachoLugli | where i can get it ? |
| 00:20.46 | abrotman | NachoLugli: /msg dpkg ig |
| 00:21.00 | fbi | maybe his nick complete is set to only complete the first two syllables of a nick |
| 00:21.06 | M_Cheevy | abrot: interesting how someone assumes that a person with a broken OS is using to get on irc |
| 00:21.15 | fbi | the third syllable needs an add-on script |
| 00:21.22 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:21.36 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: i really don't care .. you can't answer my questions .. you're on your own .. wait for someone else to help you |
| 00:21.54 | M_Cheevy | abrot: you'd do better with the snobs on efnet |
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| 00:22.08 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 00:22.16 | grim | anyone... 2.4 -> 2.6 upgrade, both linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 dying when trying to find a ramdisk generating tool... |
| 00:22.22 | fbi | was that an attempt at a put down? i'd be proud to be known as an EFnetter. |
| 00:22.36 | abrotman | fbi: i would have helped him .. if he could have answered my questions |
| 00:22.37 | NachoLugli | i sent a message to dpkg but it not respond me |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | !hi |
| 00:22.41 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 00:22.42 | fbi | yes i know |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | NachoLugli: what msg ? |
| 00:22.56 | fbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.56 | NachoLugli | msg dpkg where i can get debians sarge with kernel 2.6.8 ? |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:23.03 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 00:23.13 | abrotman | NachoLugli: read the install guide |
| 00:23.14 | EdibleText | I went on efnet once and asked if i may PM someone. they all seem impressed with my politness |
| 00:23.15 | stew | NachoLugli: /msg dpkg install debian (from /topic) |
| 00:24.35 | NachoLugli | msg dpkg install debian from /sarge kernel 2.8 like this ? |
| 00:24.42 | Shadowcat | EdibleText: that's because most people on efnet don't ask for permission |
| 00:24.48 | stew | !tell NachoLugli about install debian |
| 00:24.50 | Shadowcat | and most of the time end up getting banned for msging people |
| 00:24.54 | abrotman | !tell NachoLugli about ig |
| 00:24.59 | abrotman | !tell NachoLugli about d-i |
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| 00:25.23 | NachoLugli | i dont urdenstand :-( |
| 00:25.34 | EdibleText | Shadowcat, it seemed a little raucous. |
| 00:25.38 | stew | NachoLugli: the bot named "dpkg" should have just sent you a bunch of information |
| 00:25.44 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:25.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:26.07 | NachoLugli | in #debian-es i am not getting help |
| 00:26.08 | fbi | he's probably not even looking in his msgs windows. |
| 00:26.14 | fbi | NachoLugli: what client are you using |
| 00:26.18 | NachoLugli | i looked it |
| 00:26.25 | fbi | NachoLugli: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:26.27 | Shadowcat | then go read it |
| 00:26.30 | orion666 | and what about overall experience using vfat with rw mode. im afraid of loosing the info, but still need a way to exchange files between win and linux |
| 00:26.36 | EdibleText | Shadowcat, this is the first channel I joined. bitchx dumped me here by default and I had very lttle clue. |
| 00:26.41 | NachoLugli | mirc, i am loged with memoserv |
| 00:26.49 | fbi | !pal NachoLugli |
| 00:26.54 | Shadowcat | orion666: so? |
| 00:27.01 | Shadowcat | you can get Linux to read/write ntfs |
| 00:27.08 | orchid | NachoLugli: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:27.10 | orion666 | no i tried this already:) |
| 00:27.12 | stew | NachoLugli: you got messages from the dpkg bot, have you seen or read them? |
| 00:27.17 | Shadowcat | orion666: yes you can |
| 00:27.19 | NachoLugli | yep |
| 00:27.22 | Shadowcat | it's a whole can of worms |
| 00:27.24 | Shadowcat | but it's possible |
| 00:27.31 | NachoLugli | i have read it |
| 00:27.36 | NachoLugli | i see the messages |
| 00:27.49 | Shadowcat | NachoLugli: look |
| 00:28.02 | Shadowcat | most of us don't really have the time to guide you click by click through a debian install |
| 00:28.07 | stew | NachoLugli: you should read the install guide if you haven't. if you want cd's with sarge and 2.6 kernel, http://debian.org/CD |
| 00:28.07 | Shadowcat | or explain every step for that matter |
| 00:28.15 | Shadowcat | so if you want to install debian |
| 00:28.19 | stew | Shadowcat: he hasn't asked for anything like that |
| 00:28.22 | Shadowcat | the best option is to READ the install manual |
| 00:28.31 | Shadowcat | stew: he's going there though |
| 00:28.35 | NachoLugli | i urdestand the guide and i have read the manual |
| 00:28.47 | Shadowcat | NachoLugli: so what exactly don't you get? |
| 00:28.48 | stew | Shadowcat: so this is a pre-emptive strike you are making? |
| 00:28.56 | NachoLugli | i only want to download debian sarge or etch |
| 00:29.04 | Shadowcat | you can't download etch |
| 00:29.04 | stew | NachoLugli: http://debian.org/CD |
| 00:29.09 | Shadowcat | as for sarge |
| 00:29.10 | stew | Shadowcat: why not? |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:29.12 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | NachoLugli: ^^ |
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| 00:29.14 | Shadowcat | what stew said |
| 00:29.20 | fbi | Shadowcat: there are etch net-install isos. |
| 00:29.27 | Shadowcat | abrotman: that's a very BAD idea |
| 00:29.31 | abrotman | Shad0wcat: why ? |
| 00:29.36 | Shadowcat | fbi: which are barely in working order |
| 00:29.37 | abrotman | there's a link for sarge on that page |
| 00:29.38 | NachoLugli | i have internet to do a net-install |
| 00:29.48 | fbi | Shadowcat: really? odd, i'm on one right now. |
| 00:29.49 | NachoLugli | with cable |
| 00:29.57 | Shadowcat | blegh |
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| 00:30.15 | astronut | how do i force usb-storage to bind to my camera? i don't think it's id'd as a storage device |
| 00:30.34 | Taa5i | I just tried installing with the 2.6 kernel instead, and got the same result. Any ideas? |
| 00:30.35 | Shadowcat | astronut: not all cameras are mountable |
| 00:30.36 | NachoLugli | a person told me i can get debian etch |
| 00:30.47 | Shadowcat | NachoLugli: you can get a beta image of the installer |
| 00:30.47 | NachoLugli | is that right? |
| 00:30.50 | Shadowcat | which mighr or might not work |
| 00:30.50 | astronut | Shadowcat: this one should be |
| 00:31.03 | astronut | i think it's just too new to be listed as a storage device |
| 00:31.04 | Shadowcat | in which case you should follow the link abrotman posted |
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| 00:31.14 | Shadowcat | astronut: get a new kernel then |
| 00:31.19 | astronut | P: Vendor=04a9 ProdID=3116 Rev= 0.02 |
| 00:31.20 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:31.20 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:31.22 | subopt | I'm trying to edit my sources.list so that i can pick up 'contrib'. I added the line "deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable contrib", modeling it off of the same line, only s/contrib/main/. Now synaptic is barfing on startup. What do i have wrong? |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | Shad0wcat: better ? |
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| 00:31.33 | astronut | Shadowcat: 2.6.14-2 |
| 00:31.33 | EdibleText | astronut, did you search googleg for that |
| 00:31.37 | Shadowcat | abrotman: better :P |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | fbi: better ? |
| 00:31.48 | Shadowcat | astronut: debian stock I presume? |
| 00:31.57 | fbi | subopt: add "contrib" to the end of the already existing repository entry |
| 00:31.59 | astronut | Shadowcat: for once ;-) |
| 00:32.03 | NachoLugli | i can get debian syd? |
| 00:32.07 | fbi | abrotman: yes (i think) |
| 00:32.08 | stew | abrotman: why is your nicktab l33tifying Shadowcat's nick? |
| 00:32.12 | subopt | fbi: thanks. |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 00:32.17 | Shadowcat | astronut: make menuconfig |
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| 00:32.22 | Shadowcat | knockyourself out |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | stew: oh .. he has Shad0wcat and Shadowcat online |
| 00:32.31 | Shadowcat | knock yourself even |
| 00:32.31 | astronut | Shadowcat: no |
| 00:32.34 | stew | ahh |
| 00:32.36 | astronut | Shadowcat: the module is fine |
| 00:32.46 | Shadowcat | astronut: parameters then? |
| 00:32.49 | astronut | ya |
| 00:32.53 | astronut | i don't know the proper ones |
| 00:32.55 | Shadowcat | it might just be that you need 2.6.15 |
| 00:32.58 | Shadowcat | *shrug* |
| 00:33.04 | Shadowcat | astronut: see google |
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| 00:33.22 | stew | astronut: did you read /msg dpkg usb-storage? |
| 00:33.50 | selfcontr0l | is dpkg a bot? |
| 00:33.53 | numist | yes |
| 00:33.54 | stew | !what are you |
| 00:33.55 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:33.56 | EdibleText | !bot |
| 00:33.56 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:34.00 | numist | !win selfcontr0l |
| 00:34.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, selfcontr0l! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:34.01 | selfcontr0l | heh cuz he's pretty smart |
| 00:34.05 | subopt | fbi: It's still saying that it can't stat source package list ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/contrib. Any other ideas? |
| 00:34.12 | numist | he's really smart |
| 00:34.20 | stew | !gender |
| 00:34.20 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 00:34.23 | fbi | subopt: /j #flood |
| 00:34.25 | selfcontr0l | i am teh winnar |
| 00:34.27 | astronut | stew: yes, i can mount most devices fine |
| 00:34.35 | astronut | i think my camera is not listed in the kernel as a mass storage |
| 00:34.44 | astronut | apparently there is a paramater to force usb-storage to bind to a device id |
| 00:34.48 | astronut | but i don't know it |
| 00:34.48 | Shadowcat | astronut: maybe it's just too new |
| 00:34.49 | subopt | fbi: what? |
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| 00:34.55 | Shadowcat | astronut: uhh google |
| 00:34.57 | fbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.02 | Shadowcat | we're certainly not gonna look it up for you |
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| 00:35.05 | fbi | i want to see your sources.list |
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| 00:35.12 | subopt | okay |
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| 00:35.31 | Shadowcat | deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 00:35.32 | Shadowcat | that |
| 00:35.37 | Shadowcat | that's how it's supposed to look |
| 00:35.48 | Shadowcat | replace se with us |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | or your country |
| 00:36.00 | Shadowcat | ya |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | or replace ftp.se.debian.org with another mirror |
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| 00:36.08 | stew | whom are you talking to? |
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| 00:36.23 | abrotman | subopt .. who is gone |
| 00:36.24 | Shadowcat | stew: there's only one guy having repository problems here :P |
| 00:36.31 | Shadowcat | bah |
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| 00:36.35 | jcole | awk -F "S[0-9]" '{print $FS}' foo.txt <--- does not print the field separator.. why? |
| 00:36.37 | Shadowcat | I should have caught that |
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| 00:37.56 | pilito | habla alguien castellano? |
| 00:38.14 | azeem | pilito: #debian-es |
| 00:38.16 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:38.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:38.26 | orion666 | !lt :) |
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| 00:38.46 | pilito | gracias! thank you |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | orion666: no .. but there are a few others that stop in from time to time |
| 00:39.12 | bucky | !seen ShockSMX |
| 00:39.13 | dpkg | shocksmx is currently on #debian (2d 10h 8m 11s). Has said a total of 390 messages. Is idling for 1d 19h 16m 33s |
| 00:40.46 | orion666 | would be great to have a channle debian_for_woman or smth .. |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | !d-w |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | hrm |
| 00:41.15 | stew | orion666: #debian-women on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | i think there's one here too |
| 00:41.29 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 00:41.39 | Shadowcat | I think 99.9% of this channel is male |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | orion666: http://women.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:41.50 | orion666 | im a girl |
| 00:42.16 | Shadowcat | orion666: that makes 1/700 |
| 00:42.21 | abrotman | orion666: that URL should hold some info |
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| 00:42.28 | abrotman | Shad0wcat: there's a few more here |
| 00:42.43 | Shadowcat | abrotman: ok so 10-20/700 |
| 00:42.49 | Shadowcat | I don't think I'm that far off |
| 00:42.54 | orion666 | still not bad |
| 00:42.56 | grim | am i to believe that no one here has done a 2.4 kernel to 2.6 upgrade in sid? |
| 00:43.07 | Shadowcat | grim: crazy person |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | orion666: but yes . debian has a "sub-project" for women involved in debian |
| 00:43.25 | grim | Shadowcat: well if 2.4 would quit panicing.. |
| 00:43.29 | EdibleText | grim, perhaps one is more likely to upgrade to 2.6 first |
| 00:43.32 | jcole | grim: that would be blasphemous |
| 00:43.39 | EdibleText | then go to sis |
| 00:43.41 | EdibleText | sid |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | grim: is there a problem doing it ? |
| 00:43.53 | grim | i'm not rebuilding the system for a kernel upgrade, i'd just as soon compile a 2.6 kernel |
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| 00:44.05 | abrotman | fbi: he could have used apt-setup . it woudl have asked him to use contrib :) |
| 00:44.06 | grim | abrotman: yes, it saying it can't find a ram disk generating tool |
| 00:44.14 | grim | as i have no said for the third time |
| 00:44.18 | fbi | abrotman: yeah but he was in synaptic at the time |
| 00:44.18 | grim | s/no/now/ |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | grim: are you compiling 2.6 on your own or using the package? |
| 00:44.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:44.31 | Arsion | Apparantly the vent on the bottom of a laptop is just for decoration.. nevermind that there's a processor in there gasping for air... |
| 00:44.33 | grim | abrotman: i'm trying to use the package |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | grim: module-init-tools are needed .. i do know that |
| 00:44.59 | grim | abrotman: apt resolved all the dependencies and thats only for loading modules.. |
| 00:45.00 | orion666 | hehe 75 users in that channel |
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| 00:45.18 | grim | abrotman: the kernel package isn't making it past configure because it can't find a ram disk generating tool |
| 00:45.19 | pdani_ | hi |
| 00:45.32 | abrotman | grim: you checked the BTS ? |
| 00:45.35 | grim | and apt-cache search ramdisk yields i think 2 results, and the 1 valid one is already installed |
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| 00:45.53 | grim | abrotman: i'd be shocked if this was an unresolved bug |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | grim: i'm shocked it's a bug at all :) |
| 00:46.12 | stew | grim: what is the one valid one? |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | grim: what is your installed 2.4 ? |
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| 00:46.30 | grim | 2.4.27-7 i think |
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| 00:46.51 | stew | grim: you have yaird installed? |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.4-686 sid |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:47.05 | grim | stew: apt grabbed that before trying to configure the kernel package |
| 00:47.24 | stew | abrotman: there are no linux-image-2.4 pacakges |
| 00:47.27 | michael | is it possible to execute a selfwritten shell script when debian boots up? |
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| 00:47.30 | grim | actually i have 2.4.27-1 |
| 00:47.32 | abrotman | duh |
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| 00:47.35 | abrotman | stew: i just realized that |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | !depends kernel-image-2.4-686 sid |
| 00:47.44 | stew | michael: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 00:47.45 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4-686: depends on kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | still .? |
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| 00:48.01 | stew | yup |
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| 00:48.11 | abrotman | wtf .. they're up to like .. 2.4.33 or some crap |
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| 00:48.24 | abrotman | and i thikn it has a security fix |
| 00:48.32 | stew | i'm guessing that 2.4 will be dropped altogether for etch |
| 00:48.32 | grim | abrotman: that may be so, but apt considers 2.4.27-1 valid for the upgrade.. |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.54 | cheal | yeah, it's not decided whether 2.4 will release in etch |
| 00:49.01 | fbi | i was told that etch will release with only a 2.6 for architectures that matter |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | cheal: it should |
| 00:49.11 | grim | abrotman: which is why i'm thinking i'm getting the panics.. so i figured i'd move to the 2.6 transitional package but that's dying with the same error as 2.6.14-2 |
| 00:49.16 | cheal | abrotman: why? |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | cheal: because you should have a choice .. |
| 00:49.40 | nekostar | hrm |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | cheal: there are somethings in 2.6 that still don't work |
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| 00:49.57 | abrotman | and some still don't consider it stable |
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| 00:50.07 | cheal | abrotman: of course...hopefully when etch releases there are very few |
| 00:50.07 | abrotman | !worked in 2.6 |
| 00:50.16 | ofinet_center | saludos chicos |
| 00:50.18 | K_Dallas | Q: How do i get a decent output from this page? the fonts are like cuniforms :( http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/ (tried to install all the pertinent fonts i have found) |
| 00:50.19 | nekostar | if i want a package from debian that i dont see in the repositories for testing/etch can i just add a couple repositories from sarge and unclick the etch ones and install what i need? |
| 00:50.20 | ofinet_center | desde Ecuador |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | cheal: still .. option should be there |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:50.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:50.38 | nekostar | or can i run both sarge and etch repositories at the same time? |
| 00:50.51 | Shadowcat | nekostar: yes and no |
| 00:50.58 | nekostar | how so Shad0wcat ? |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | nekostar: yo should be able to do that . but some stuf from sarge may be uninstallable |
| 00:51.01 | cheal | abrotman: I doubt it. you just commented the state of kernel security...having several versions doesn't help that |
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| 00:51.15 | Shadowcat | thanks abrotman for answering that |
| 00:51.16 | nekostar | im running an etch system, so i wish to prefer etch whenever possible |
| 00:51.16 | Guerin | nekostar: if you're running etch, there should be no harm in putting sarge repos in as well |
| 00:51.21 | nekostar | ah |
| 00:51.34 | Shadowcat | !tell nekostar about downgrade |
| 00:51.35 | nekostar | just sometimes there might be version conflicts while installing? |
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| 00:51.40 | nekostar | thanx :) |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | cheal: it doesn't matter .. it's not fixed anywhere in debian that i'm aware of |
| 00:51.46 | Guerin | almost all packages will come in from etch - the only ones which will come in from sarge are those which aren't present in etch |
| 00:51.54 | grim | abrotman: nothing on the BTS for linux-image-2.6-686 or linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 00:51.56 | abrotman | cheal: and afaik .. it doesn't affect 2.6 .. so your argument fails |
| 00:52.00 | Guerin | there is a chance of version breakage, but that's the risk you take |
| 00:52.03 | Shadowcat | heh etch beta 1 |
| 00:52.07 | Shadowcat | Guerin: actually |
| 00:52.08 | Guerin | Shadowcat: he's not downgrading. |
| 00:52.11 | Shadowcat | KDE is about to break again |
| 00:52.21 | Shadowcat | Guerin: yeah I know |
| 00:52.23 | Guerin | Shadowcat: yeah, c2a, right? |
| 00:52.24 | Shadowcat | but in case he thinks of it |
| 00:52.31 | Shadowcat | Guerin: c2a? |
| 00:52.39 | Guerin | the ABI symbol version |
| 00:52.44 | cheal | abrotman: not really, I think that only makes my argument more valid |
| 00:52.45 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 00:53.02 | Shadowcat | I just see a shitload of new kde packages in unstable |
| 00:53.23 | deadcat | anyone own a iriver ifp-790? i jacked it in but it doesnt recognize. the player shows usb connected. but lsusb or dmesg doesnt show anything. what up? |
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| 00:53.43 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 00:53.44 | abrotman | cheal: no it doesn't ... a vuln affects one of two versions of the kernel in sarge .. and it's not fixed anyways .. so your argument that having two makes it more complex .. fails .. because even when it only affects one . it's still not fixed |
| 00:53.48 | Guerin | deadcat: is it UMS? |
| 00:53.50 | Shadowcat | any idea on when they're freezing the kernel for etch? |
| 00:54.05 | Guerin | Shadowcat: no. |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | cheal: on top of that .. older machines don't need the cruft of 2.6 |
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| 00:54.53 | abrotman | who wants 2.6 on m68k!!!!!! |
| 00:54.54 | cheal | abrotman: is there data about this? |
| 00:54.59 | abrotman | cheal: about which? |
| 00:55.01 | deadcat | Guerin: no. the version is 1.24, and i dont think its UMS |
| 00:55.11 | cheal | abrotman: about how much cruft is 2.6 |
| 00:55.19 | deadcat | Guerin: there is the ifp-line-libifp pkg. which is installed. |
| 00:55.37 | BenIsCool | anyone know how to install two packages that depend on each other with dpkg and no internet connection? |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | cheal: get an older machine .. try 2.4 .. then 2.6 .. you tell me |
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| 00:55.53 | abrotman | BenIsCool: dpkg -i package1.deb package2.deb |
| 00:55.58 | stew | Shadowcat: hopefully etch's kernel will be frozen in a about a year |
| 00:56.02 | lolomuc | ola |
| 00:56.04 | cheal | abrotman: heh, I don't buy old machines |
| 00:56.24 | lolomuc | ola |
| 00:56.28 | abrotman | cheal: then it doesn't affect you . i have a 486 i still use from time to time |
| 00:56.28 | BenIsCool | abrotman: thanks so much! I am such an idiot. I thought that just installed the first one and then the second one. :-) thanks |
| 00:56.32 | Guerin | deadcat: haha, you lose. |
| 00:56.54 | deadcat | Guerin: i read people say it works. |
| 00:56.54 | lolomuc | ola |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | cheal: regardless .. it's not up to you or me |
| 00:57.00 | Guerin | deadcat: rule #1 of portable media players: NEVER buy one which isn't USB Mass Storage. |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:57.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:57.20 | deadcat | Guerin: didnt buy. |
| 00:57.36 | stew | rule #1 applies to stolen players too |
| 00:57.44 | Guerin | deadcat: s/buy/steal/ as appropriate |
| 00:57.44 | deadcat | stew: didnt steal |
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| 00:58.10 | cheal | abrotman: I'm not going to check the difference in performance, and I didn't say 2.6 was superior in every manner to 2.4. I said it *should*. when etch releases, 2.4 will be over 2 years old |
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| 00:58.22 | nekostar | arg |
| 00:58.26 | nekostar | your totally right lol |
| 00:58.29 | nekostar | hrm |
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| 00:58.41 | lolomuc2 | ola |
| 00:58.45 | nekostar | hola |
| 00:58.45 | deadcat | ola |
| 00:58.59 | lolomuc2 | AI MUCHA PEÑA |
| 00:58.59 | takeshipwnedyou | hi, i'm trying to use gtkpod to update my girlfriend's ipod over firewire, but fdisk can't find the ipod...how do i make it scan the ieee1394 ports? |
| 00:59.05 | deadcat | si |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | cheal: and when woody released .. how old was 2.2 ? |
| 00:59.16 | cheal | abrotman: my argument doesn't fail, it's still valid. I heard an estimation that kernels take about half of the security "team"'s time. of course, that will improve when woody goes |
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| 00:59.23 | fbi | nekostar: don't encourage foreign languages in here. |
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| 00:59.28 | fbi | !tell lolomuc2 about es |
| 00:59.34 | abrotman | cheal: yes it does! |
| 00:59.45 | Guerin | takeshipwnedyou: see rule #1, above |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | cheal: but it doesn't matter .. you and i don't get to decide .. so .. it's mot |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | moot |
| 00:59.52 | lolomuc2 | como te llamas dead cat |
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| 01:00.09 | fbi | see what happens? |
| 01:00.12 | Guerin | takeshipwnedyou: and you might as well change your nick to stevejobspwnedme |
| 01:00.26 | fbi | haha |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | lolomuc: /j #debian-es .. no habla espanol aqui |
| 01:00.45 | stew | llamas are goofy looking |
| 01:00.55 | fbi | they also spit. |
| 01:01.00 | fbi | filthy animals. |
| 01:01.08 | catalyst_ | any idea why dist-upgrade apt and apt-utils, removing aptitude and tasksel? |
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| 01:01.18 | thingfish | llamas also = you are called (i.e., your name) |
| 01:01.25 | nekostar | eh sorry fbi |
| 01:01.32 | Guerin | catalyst_: because you're using sid, and you're too stupid to know what you're doing |
| 01:01.35 | nekostar | was correcting the spelling |
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| 01:02.34 | stew | catalyst_: something that aptitude depends on is being reomoved |
| 01:03.03 | cheal | abrotman: of course, but it doesn't matter if you think 2.4 should be in etch neither. 2.2 was about similarly old when woody released as 2.4 will be when etch should release. and I hope you're not going to argue that the state of kernel packaging in woody is desirable for etch |
| 01:03.13 | catalyst_ | Guerin: if u don't feel like answer, pls don't insult people dude, keep your fucking mounth shut sir. |
| 01:03.14 | marinka | hi, what deb package does 'su' belong to? I keep getting error in console 'su: Critical error - immediate abort' |
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| 01:03.26 | abrotman | cheal: i think alternatives are needed .. 2.6 does NOT fit everyone's needs |
| 01:03.28 | catalyst_ | stew: ok, thanks. I look into it. |
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| 01:03.41 | Guerin | catalyst_: no, it really is the right answer. |
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| 01:03.49 | shawng | duuuuude.s..i just rebuilt my dell 1100 straight from the dirt up with testing...pretty dammmmmn nnn cool guys |
| 01:04.02 | shawng | less than an hour with desktop |
| 01:04.09 | Guerin | catalyst_: if you're running sid, it's your responsibility to know what's broken, and not whine about it in #debian. Aptitude has been broken in sid for *DAYS* |
| 01:04.18 | cheal | abrotman: perhaps try getting Hurd or kfreebsf official ;) |
| 01:04.19 | EdibleText | !kernel of instability |
| 01:04.20 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 01:04.26 | abrotman | cheal: could we not? :) |
| 01:04.32 | shawng | seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:04.38 | abrotman | cheal: i think it would be silly to release with only one |
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| 01:04.54 | catalyst_ | Guerin: well, is just a question, and by running sid, doesn't mean u know all the fucking thing happening. |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:04.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:05.11 | nixie | catalist: sid is for people who know all the fucking thing happen. :) |
| 01:05.18 | stew | catalyst_, Guerin, please just use /ignore and move on |
| 01:05.31 | cheal | I think the "kernel of instability" thing changed with subminor releases...and Debian *is* a distributor |
| 01:05.38 | deadcat | apt-get upgrade and apt-cache search blah gives me seg fault. is that a hd problem? |
| 01:05.44 | Guerin | catalyst_: if you don't know how to check the BTS, and if you don't use apt-listbugs, then you're not qualified to run sid. Now, I suggest you install apt-listbugs, check the BTS, and move on. |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:05.53 | Guerin | catalyst_: sid breaks. Deal. |
| 01:05.54 | cheal | abrotman: I know, but I don't agree |
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| 01:06.02 | marinka | hi, what deb package does 'su' belong to? I keep getting error in console 'su: Critical error - immediate abort' |
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| 01:06.12 | abrotman | cheal: good for you .. bad for users |
| 01:06.13 | stew | marinka: /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:06.23 | Arsion | ummm, wait, i thought 2.6 was stable. I mean, sarge is 2.6 *is confused now* |
| 01:06.27 | nixie | marinka: dpkg -S `which su` |
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| 01:06.33 | catalyst_ | Guerin: PLS STFO. |
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| 01:06.43 | cheal | abrotman: users need good documentation. documenting for several kernels is harder |
| 01:06.46 | fbi | shut the fuck onion! |
| 01:06.51 | Guerin | catalyst_: why? I'm telling you things you need to hear. |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | cheal: dn't be so lazy |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | cheal: you're making really shitty excuses for fucking over the users |
| 01:07.22 | ice_1963 | what ???? |
| 01:07.27 | nixie | catalyst_: youd be better off running testing, and source-compiling packages from unstable if you really really really need to. |
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| 01:07.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:07.37 | abrotman | !sing resiak |
| 01:07.37 | dpkg | He's a resiak, resiak on the floor, And he's IRCing like he's never IRCed before. |
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| 01:07.43 | cheal | abrotman: I don't think Martin 'Joey' Schulze is a lazy man |
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| 01:08.02 | abrotman | cheal: it's still screwing the users |
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| 01:08.28 | abrotman | cheal: not everyone can use a 2.6 ... how would you feel if you were precluded from using debian because 2.6 didn't work for you ? |
| 01:08.48 | marinka | How can I fix 'su' from displaying this annoying message 'su: Critical error - immediate abort'? |
| 01:08.58 | cheal | abrotman: bad |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | cheal: now you understand :) |
| 01:09.07 | Guerin | marinka: strace it and see what's so critical about the error |
| 01:09.19 | cheal | abrotman: I would expect 2.6 to work, though |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | cheal: but if it didn't you have NO alternatives.. sucks to be you ... try Fedora |
| 01:09.40 | stew | marinka: what version does "dpkg -l login" report? |
| 01:09.49 | ice_1963 | reinstall |
| 01:09.53 | stew | marinka: have you been messing with /etc/pam.d? |
| 01:09.53 | Arsion | umm, is anyone able to see this? |
| 01:09.55 | cheal | abrotman: having a rootable machine is not something I'd like neither |
| 01:10.02 | stew | Arsion: no |
| 01:10.08 | Arsion | stew: lol |
| 01:10.11 | marinka | 4.0.13-7 |
| 01:10.22 | Arsion | ummm, wait, i thought 2.6 was stable. I mean, sarge is 2.6 *is confused now* (repost due to really needing to know) |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | cheal: but you get it .. choice works .. i'll be disappointed if 2.6 and something(2.4/2.8) aren't included in etch |
| 01:10.42 | cheal | abrotman: 2.8? heh :-P |
| 01:10.49 | stew | marinka: checked the bts? /msg dpkg bts |
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| 01:10.50 | marinka | stew: nope I don't think so. |
| 01:11.03 | abrotman | cheal: you never know .. etch might not release for 2 more years |
| 01:11.06 | cheal | abrotman: yeah, but the more choices, the more crappy each choice |
| 01:11.22 | abrotman | cheal: and the lack of choices is crappy . otherwise you'd be using Gnome .. |
| 01:11.26 | cheal | !etch pool 1 |
| 01:11.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | i win! |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | what did i pick ? |
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| 01:11.38 | Arsion | hehe |
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| 01:11.42 | ice_1963 | i'm runing 2.6.12-kernel |
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| 01:11.49 | abrotman | cheal: that was my guess! .. you can't steal it! .. it's my bday! |
| 01:11.50 | cheal | abrotman: you're contradicting ourselves :) |
| 01:12.07 | cheal | abrotman: hehe, I thought your guess was the best so i joined you |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:12.12 | Arsion | lol |
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| 01:12.38 | marinka | stew: in the strace it keeps saying that it cannot find any files |
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| 01:12.52 | Arsion | i should have picked see_sid |
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| 01:13.22 | crash3m_ | see_sid sit, see_sid run.... |
| 01:13.24 | selfcontr0l | ok so i have firefox (installed thru apt), but i want to upgrade to 1.5.... they only have it as a tar.gz.... where do i "install" this? or is there a way to do it thru apt-get |
| 01:13.32 | cheal | abrotman: I don't use gnome because some keyboard stuff is not working with my machine |
| 01:13.43 | ice_1963 | sid is runing 2.6.14-kernel |
| 01:13.44 | marinka | stew: I fixed it. ld is a bitch |
| 01:13.45 | selfcontr0l | and should i uninstall the old version of firefox first |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | cheal: right .. no kde . you're stuck with gnome! |
| 01:13.50 | marinka | thanx |
| 01:13.54 | stew | marinka: its normal that an strace would have lots of not found files, like /etc/ld.so.nohwcap. did you check the bts? |
| 01:13.55 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: do you need the newer version ? |
| 01:13.57 | Arsion | selfcontr0l: you will need to configure, make, and install it on your own |
| 01:14.09 | selfcontr0l | i'd like to use the new 1.5 |
| 01:14.13 | stew | marinka: was it something you had done or a pacakging bug? |
| 01:14.20 | cheal | abrotman: I told you about the crappy choices too |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 01:14.26 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7587 kB, Installed size: 21608 kB |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | cheal: yeah .. kde is a krappy choice :) |
| 01:14.43 | selfcontr0l | oh how do i get that version? |
| 01:14.53 | marinka | stew: I think sendmail caused the packaging bug. |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 01:14.53 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 01:15.02 | cheal | abrotman: that's another thing I wouldn't care to have no choice about |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | cheal: #windows is available :) |
| 01:15.37 | marinka | stew: wrong stamp, need to pay more for stamp next time. |
| 01:15.41 | cheal | abrotman: or #most-debian-packages |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | huh |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:16.08 | fbi | wtf would cause /root/.bash_history to empty out on it's own (other than someone having root who shouldn't) |
| 01:16.28 | Duelist | fbi: user over quota on logout? |
| 01:16.29 | crash3m_ | fbi: it being linked to /dev/null, it not being written to begin with... the shell being killed with -9 |
| 01:16.34 | cheal | abrotman: most debian packages don't have the same role as other packages |
| 01:16.37 | Duelist | your /home out of space? |
| 01:16.38 | marinka | exit |
| 01:16.47 | fbi | Duelist: not even close |
| 01:16.58 | Duelist | errr |
| 01:16.59 | abrotman | cheal: i'm surprised to find out how many packages dupilicate others .. |
| 01:17.01 | Duelist | your / out of space I mean |
| 01:17.05 | EdibleText | !lose Duelist |
| 01:17.06 | dpkg | Duelist: You Lose. |
| 01:17.06 | cheal | abrotman: me too |
| 01:17.18 | Duelist | EdibleText: ? |
| 01:17.19 | fbi | two days ago, i could su and hit up arrow to see past commands, now, nothing |
| 01:17.26 | fbi | the file is empty |
| 01:17.32 | cheal | abrotman: actually, I hope I'm right in the previous statement :) |
| 01:17.32 | EdibleText | !win Duelist |
| 01:17.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, Duelist! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
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| 01:17.51 | Duelist | fbi: has your box rebooted in the intervening two days? |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | cheal: which ? |
| 01:18.03 | Duelist | if so, fsck may have eaten it and/or moved it to lost+found too |
| 01:18.04 | EdibleText | Duelist, abusing the bot and amusing myself at your expense... i apologize |
| 01:18.06 | cheal | abrotman: most debian packages don't have the same role as other packages |
| 01:18.11 | crash3m_ | fbi: ls -la ~/.bash_history |
| 01:18.17 | fbi | Duelist: yes, and i have already checked lost+found |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | cheal: ok .. many are very very similar |
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| 01:18.31 | abrotman | there are like 12 console rippers/encoders etc |
| 01:18.37 | cheal | abrotman: yeah, well...it's Debian, isn't it? :) |
| 01:18.38 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 01:18.52 | cheal | what about...editors? :-P |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | cheal: i'm not complaining . just surprised how many duplicate |
| 01:18.58 | Guerin | iptables is telling me there's no such optionh as --destination-port or --dport |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | i've seen that |
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| 01:19.18 | cheal | abrotman: don't worry, I feel the same |
| 01:19.20 | sexcopter8000m | hi, i'm using ubuntu, how can i check the md5 sums of two files to check they're the same? |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | though .. don't remember why |
| 01:19.28 | abrotman | sexcopter8000m: #ubuntu |
| 01:19.30 | bucky | -dport with one dash ? |
| 01:19.36 | cheal | !tell sexcopter8000m about ubuntu |
| 01:19.42 | sexcopter8000m | abrotman, i've asked there and no-one's answering :( |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | sexcopter8000m: it doesn't matter .. we don't use ubuntu .. we use debian |
| 01:19.58 | azeem | sexcopter8000m: try again later |
| 01:20.03 | sexcopter8000m | =/ |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | sexcopter8000m: or ask ##linux |
| 01:20.14 | bucky | sexcopter8000m: try #ubuntuforums |
| 01:20.18 | dondelelcaro | sexcopter8000m: use md5sum. |
| 01:20.19 | stew | some really wierd shit starts breaking in wierd ways when you delete /dev/null |
| 01:20.21 | EdibleText | sexcopter8000m, md5sum file1 file2 |
| 01:20.26 | bucky | use google |
| 01:20.28 | _edward_ | sexcopter8000m man -k md5 |
| 01:20.43 | crash3m_ | stew: heh I bet |
| 01:21.03 | takeshipwnedyou | what do i modprobe to detect devices on firewire? |
| 01:21.04 | crash3m_ | I killed devnull on a sco machine once...that was nasty |
| 01:21.05 | Guerin | bucky: nope |
| 01:21.06 | Arsion | what is /dev/null even for? |
| 01:21.16 | sexcopter8000m | thanks EdibleText |
| 01:21.16 | Guerin | fuckinghell, why'd they go and change the iptables syntax? |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | Arsion: null tings :) |
| 01:21.18 | dondelelcaro | Arsion: it's a bit sink. A quite useful one at that. |
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| 01:21.21 | Duelist | Arsion: it's the bit bucket |
| 01:21.23 | EdibleText | Arsion, the bit bucket |
| 01:21.24 | stew | Guerin: they did? |
| 01:21.27 | Arsion | ah |
| 01:21.27 | Guerin | this must break SO MANY peoples' firewall scripts |
| 01:21.45 | bucky | Guerin: do you have iptables installed? |
| 01:21.46 | crash3m_ | which kernel is that in Guerin ? |
| 01:21.46 | stew | Guerin: what changed? |
| 01:21.49 | Guerin | stew: --destination-port 998:999 used to work |
| 01:22.01 | Arsion | Guerin: i dont even see that option in its help file |
| 01:22.14 | Guerin | bucky: of course I do |
| 01:22.23 | bucky | ii iptables 1.3.3-2 |
| 01:22.26 | bucky | mine works |
| 01:22.59 | Arsion | hmm, mines only 1.2.11 |
| 01:23.16 | Guerin | 2.6.12 debian kernel; iptables v1.3.3: Unknown arg `--destination-port' |
| 01:23.38 | Mathman | would debian testing be suitable for a home desktop system? |
| 01:23.38 | stew | Guerin: ahh, so --dport 1:2 is still valid? |
| 01:23.40 | Arsion | .12 is etch, isnt it? |
| 01:23.44 | Guerin | same debian package; unstable |
| 01:23.52 | Guerin | stew: nope, --dport isn't valid either |
| 01:24.02 | stew | uhh, what is then? |
| 01:24.02 | Guerin | Arsion: it's an old sid kernel |
| 01:24.10 | Guerin | stew: i can't find anything which is |
| 01:24.11 | Arsion | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:24.33 | Duelist | okay. got another question. I recently did a reinstall after hosing /var and later / |
| 01:24.38 | Guerin | so I'm currently freeballing without a firewall |
| 01:24.44 | thingfish | Mathman: you bet. |
| 01:24.45 | Guerin | which isn't really that big of a deal |
| 01:24.51 | EdibleText | i live and die by --dport |
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| 01:24.58 | Guerin | EdibleText: me too |
| 01:25.00 | Duelist | I was able to recover some of / ... anyway, I reinstalled my GL screensavers and the one I was using before doesn't display right now |
| 01:25.03 | Duelist | it flickers horribly |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | Mathman: i use it on my laptop |
| 01:25.15 | Duelist | what is this a symptom of? |
| 01:25.24 | Guerin | bucky: but you said yours works? which kernel? |
| 01:25.31 | crash3m_ | use 2.6.14 |
| 01:25.33 | crash3m_ | heh |
| 01:25.36 | AciD | gn |
| 01:25.42 | Duelist | and again, the GUI installer rocks :-) |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | the what ? |
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| 01:26.05 | bucky | Guerin: let me look into this... it needs ip_nat loaded for that doesn't it |
| 01:26.10 | Duelist | Arsion: be sporting, have it boot into gdm/GNOME |
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| 01:26.18 | Arsion | Duelist: hehe |
| 01:26.19 | EdibleText | Arsion, blank slates are the best slates |
| 01:26.19 | Guerin | bucky: should load all the modules automatically |
| 01:26.30 | Duelist | abrotman: you haven't used the new GUI installer? |
| 01:26.38 | abrotman | Arsion: if he's never used a PC .. he won't notice the difference |
| 01:26.42 | EdibleText | Arsion, he isnt ruined yet |
| 01:26.42 | Arsion | EdibleText: thats how it is now...its got debian with a destroyed libc6 |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | Duelist: nope |
| 01:26.48 | bucky | Guerin: right.. your kernel has automatic loading enabled doesn't it? |
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| 01:26.55 | Guerin | as long as you give him a copy of the debian reference and the Obnoxiously Patronising ESR Guide To Computers, he should be alright |
| 01:27.08 | Guerin | bucky: it's just a debian kernel, dood |
| 01:27.18 | stew | Guerin: works here on 1.3.3-2 |
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| 01:27.23 | Duelist | abrotman: next time you have to do a (re-)install, try it |
| 01:27.43 | stew | Guerin: and 2.6.12 |
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| 01:28.04 | Guerin | strange things afoot at the circle-k |
| 01:28.06 | fbi | i'll stick to the curses installer |
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| 01:28.15 | Arsion | EdibleText: basically, debian testing with both testing and stable programs and a libc6 that somehow got installed from sid...dont ask me how cause i dont know lol |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | Duelist: what is this .. 'reinstall' you speak of ? |
| 01:28.30 | stew | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 31337 -j DROP |
| 01:28.43 | secher_ | doing a build that requires jpeglib.h, I've done an apt-file and apt-cache search for it, to no avail.. any ideas where I might obtain said header file? |
| 01:29.23 | fbi | abrotman: "reinstall" is a term stolen from gentoo users, it's what you do when you watch your gentoo box compile for three days and nothing works. |
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| 01:29.29 | Guerin | stew: huh, see, that works |
| 01:29.33 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:29.36 | EdibleText | Arsion, dont subject your dad to a broken pc. at least give him access to the InterSex |
| 01:29.47 | Arsion | EdibleText: so, it wont even boot anymore now. Have to go out and buy a usb floppy drive again just to reinstall an OS that works |
| 01:29.49 | cheal | abrotman: BTW, are you sure that fedora still ships kernel 2.4? |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | fbi: hehe |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | cheal: no .. i was merely using it as a generic "other distro" |
| 01:30.13 | cheal | abrotman: ok |
| 01:30.14 | stew | secher_: apt-file search jpeglib.h here returns 4 results, /msg dpkg find jpeglib.h |
| 01:30.20 | Arsion | EdibleText: laptop isnt broken...just the OS |
| 01:30.28 | Duelist | abrotman: re- means "again"... thus reinstall means "install again" as in what you would do to a hosed system to get it up and running again |
| 01:30.37 | EdibleText | s/pc/os |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | Duelist: i don't get it :) |
| 01:30.52 | secher_ | Oh, for anyoen here who's thinking of moving to ubuntu from Sid, don't. it's not.... together if you will. Made that mistake for a few days. |
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| 01:30.56 | secher_ | stew: Danke. |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | secher_: we already knew that :) |
| 01:31.16 | Duelist | secher_: if I was to move to anything it wouldn't be Ubuntu :-) |
| 01:31.17 | cheal | secher_: heh |
| 01:31.48 | Arsion | secher_: move from debian? hahahahahahahahah |
| 01:31.48 | adughep | how can i configure CVS to use proxy server |
| 01:31.54 | cheal | if you're thinking of "upgrading" from ubuntu to sid, don't even reinstall sid. |
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| 01:32.17 | cheal | oh, *from* sid. sorry |
| 01:32.22 | secher_ | Arison: believe me, I wasn't even entertaining the idea, I just wanted to see waht the fuss was about. |
| 01:32.30 | cheal | yeah, that would be even more strange |
| 01:32.57 | EdibleText | I guess its the flava of the month |
| 01:33.06 | Guerin | ok, wtf |
| 01:33.07 | EdibleText | used to be knoppix |
| 01:33.11 | Guerin | now it's working again |
| 01:33.22 | Guerin | bah, i give up |
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| 01:33.47 | astronut | anyone use cyrus? (not asking for help, i joined the packaging team and want to get opinions) |
| 01:33.53 | Arsion | A friend of mine suggested debian to me back when sarge was still testing, which was about a year ago. Therefore, debian has been the ONLY version of linux I've ever used. |
| 01:34.05 | adughep | what config file i must change to use a proxy server with CVS? |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | astronut: opions on what ? .. i have used it in the past |
| 01:34.17 | netcrash | Hello, anyone know how can the server output the results of leases directly to a mysql server or something more of a database then the leases file ? |
| 01:34.20 | abrotman | astronut: and i may in the future |
| 01:34.23 | astronut | abrotman: nameing scheme |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | astronut: ? |
| 01:34.50 | astronut | abrotman: we're considering a rename from cyrus2X-foo to cyrus-foo-2.X |
| 01:34.56 | cheal | Arsion: ah dear sarge. BTW, "version of linux" is a quite inadequate definition of debian |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | astronut: i thought there was a naming convention within debian ? |
| 01:35.32 | Arsion | cheal: true |
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| 01:36.01 | Arsion | cheal: should have said, ONLY distro i've ever used |
| 01:36.02 | astronut | abrotman: not particularly, usually within individual groups (eg, there's a perl naming scheme, a python naming scheme, a mono scheme, etc....all different) |
| 01:36.19 | cheal | Arsion: I'd say "a GNU/Linux flavor", or..."The GNU/Linux flavor" :) |
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| 01:36.29 | abrotman | astronut: i'd say the cyrux2x-foo is better .. |
| 01:36.34 | Arsion | cheal: ah, yes, flavor |
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| 01:36.41 | abrotman | astronut: personal opinion of course |
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| 01:36.51 | netcrash | Hello, anyone know how can the server output the results of leases directly to a mysql server or something more of a database then the leases file ? |
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| 01:36.59 | astronut | abrotman: why? |
| 01:37.02 | poop | Anyone running nvidia driver 1.0.7676? The s-video output is crap. |
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| 01:37.30 | abrotman | astronut: because ... i'm crazy ? |
| 01:37.37 | antibular | netcrash: what type of leases are you refering to? |
| 01:37.45 | psychonate | poop, you've used the s-video out before on the older versions? |
| 01:37.46 | astronut | abrotman: was just curious why you felt that way? |
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| 01:37.56 | bucky | poop: some cards can only put out 800 x 600 on s video |
| 01:38.04 | astronut | (that's the current scheme) |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | astronut: dunno .. seems .. logical :) |
| 01:38.28 | netcrash | antibular: when a client (dhcpclient ) receives a IP I would like it to be kept the reference of who has that IP |
| 01:38.46 | netcrash | so the server will not offer that one |
| 01:38.46 | madradrone | are you guys talking to poo? haha |
| 01:38.47 | psychonate | IMO s-video out and tv-out never really look that great |
| 01:38.58 | astronut | abrotman: x is minor revision (ie, 2.1, 2.2) |
| 01:39.03 | astronut | just making sure i made that clear |
| 01:39.06 | psychonate | madradrone, bette than playing with it ;) |
| 01:39.11 | psychonate | s/bette/better |
| 01:39.13 | Arsion | anyone know if there is anything out in devel that might allow us to play Windows/Mac 3d games on debian? and no, i dont even want to hear about wine lol |
| 01:39.18 | poop | bucky: I'm doing 640x480 (which has worked up until now) |
| 01:39.39 | bucky | which video card? |
| 01:39.44 | poop | 5200FX |
| 01:39.47 | madradrone | psychonate: sure, there are a lot of things i can think of it is better than |
| 01:39.49 | abrotman | astronut: i know what you meant .. get someone else's opinion ... like bucky! |
| 01:39.54 | astronut | ok |
| 01:40.02 | astronut | abrotman: that's the idea ;-) |
| 01:40.02 | psychonate | Arsion, um, Cedega |
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| 01:40.10 | astronut | bucky: *nudge* |
| 01:40.11 | secher_ | Hrm.. eat or build e17.. decisions, decisions.... |
| 01:40.13 | psychonate | Arsion, which is pretty much wine |
| 01:40.13 | Arsion | psychonate: Cedega? |
| 01:40.23 | astronut | secher_: both, simultaniously, duh |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | secher_: /msg dpkg dr17 |
| 01:40.38 | psychonate | Arsion, used to be called WineX. It's pretty much commercial Wine. It works better, but costs money. |
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| 01:40.52 | Arsion | psychonate: wine has problems with mirc let alone a game like World of Warcraft |
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| 01:41.04 | psychonate | ew |
| 01:41.10 | psychonate | Why do you want to use mirc in Wine? |
| 01:41.14 | numist | !tell numist about hotplug |
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| 01:41.29 | psychonate | Arsion, actually WoW is supposed to play rather well in Cedega AFAIK |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | who the hell would want to use mIRC .. period :) |
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| 01:41.53 | psychonate | abrotman, I guess masochism is in style heh |
| 01:42.05 | madradrone | abrotman: people who do a lot of trading via irc and run those download thingies |
| 01:42.13 | Arsion | psychonate: well, at the time, and still what i am using now (just in WinXP), i prefer mirc over the others. i know how to program remotes etc etc etc in it |
| 01:42.19 | psychonate | I use xdcc on occasion with xchat |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | madradrone: i'm sure there are clients in debian that can do that |
| 01:42.22 | psychonate | never really ran into problems |
| 01:42.41 | Arsion | psychonate: really? hmm, is there a driver out there for Radeon 9200SE AGP? |
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| 01:42.56 | EdibleText | Arsion, yes flgrx |
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| 01:43.03 | madradrone | abrotman: they are servers. at least as of a couple years ago there weren't any ones for linux worth anything |
| 01:43.10 | psychonate | Arsion, I imagine so, but I'm an nvidia man myself |
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| 01:43.15 | abrotman | madradrone: xchat can't do it ? |
| 01:43.18 | EdibleText | Arsion, I have had that running since i boaght it last year |
| 01:43.19 | abrotman | or irssi ? |
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| 01:43.25 | syl-2 | hello, i'd like to know how to get NumLock auto-activated on startup |
| 01:43.33 | secher_ | abrotman: you know, I should have known better.. Ask Debian and ye shall receive. sheesh. e17, here I come. |
| 01:43.34 | EdibleText | low profile ya know |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | secher_: yay! |
| 01:43.52 | madradrone | abrotman: these things - i forget their name - allow you to share a large number of files, allow queues of users, listings of directories, etc. |
| 01:43.57 | secher_ | LOL. smartass. |
| 01:44.06 | Arsion | EdibleText: hmmm... i guess some stuff has came out since i've last tried. When i first installed debian...it was on this pc and I couldnt get anything to work the 3d. was stuck in very low color |
| 01:44.17 | madradrone | abrotman: mostly anime addicts... |
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| 01:44.34 | abrotman | madradrone: erm .. ok . i'm not one of those :) |
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| 01:45.09 | EdibleText | Arsion, I have always done it by hand but there is an fglrx*deb that apperantly install smoothly |
| 01:45.13 | psychonate | Arsion, with video cards, it's just a matter of knowing which driver to use and tweaking your config I think |
| 01:45.19 | madradrone | abrotman: they have their own little worlds on irc with all their collections, and anime trivia-bots, etc. |
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| 01:45.22 | Supaplex | how do I get a specified root (3rd, 4th, ... 17th etc) of a number in bc? |
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| 01:45.47 | abrotman | madradrone: /j #trivia :) |
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| 01:46.09 | EdibleText | Supaplex, bc -l will let you do the good stuff |
| 01:46.10 | madradrone | oh! oh! |
| 01:46.14 | Supaplex | madradrone: are you thinking of triggers? |
| 01:46.15 | madradrone | :-) |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | madradrone: it's normal trivia |
| 01:47.05 | Supaplex | EdibleText: uhm.. thanks, but I'm already using that. |
| 01:47.32 | EdibleText | Supaplex, it was in line and enter hit before i could stop myself |
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| 01:47.53 | Supaplex | mmmk %-) |
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| 01:48.34 | madradrone | i bet some of the regulars on here could create one hell of a good set of trivia questions... |
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| 01:50.27 | abrotman | madradrone: both times i've played in #trivia .. i won :) |
| 01:50.36 | Supaplex | !roll over |
| 01:50.36 | |dennis| | roll over what eh..... Supaplex |
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| 01:53.58 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:53.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:54.45 | orion666 | :) nice |
| 01:55.16 | Arsion | lmao! |
| 01:55.18 | magyar | has anyone worked with patch-o-matic ? |
| 01:55.28 | M_Cheevy | Anyone here worked with dmraid and 2.4.6? I used the Hoogewerf dmraidinitrd script and everything is working fine but one little thing.... /dev/mapper files aren't coming over from busybox to live_root. any one here work with these specific tools before? |
| 01:55.34 | Arsion | Have you been mooed today? |
| 01:55.55 | Nazxul | Moo. |
| 01:56.01 | orion666 | boo. |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | damn |
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| 01:58.14 | Atog | can someone guide me on installing the kde package.. whenever I try to install it using aptitude it fails to install |
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| 01:58.23 | Xenguy | foo |
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| 01:58.58 | abrotman | Atog: on testing ? |
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| 01:59.16 | Buddha| | Any idea when Firefox 1.5 will be available in Etch? |
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| 01:59.42 | Atog | well I'm running unstable, but I couldn't get it to install the stable or testing versions either |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 01:59.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:00.03 | abrotman | Buddha|: WIR |
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| 02:00.34 | Buddha| | abrotman - IWAFAD |
| 02:00.54 | secher_ | men in white coats coming to take me away, oh my! |
| 02:01.12 | secher_ | !iwafad |
| 02:01.24 | elenute | !boo |
| 02:01.29 | Buddha| | secher_ - it's the men in black coats you have to worry about |
| 02:01.43 | Buddha| | i.e. Men In Black |
| 02:01.47 | elenute | oops:/ |
| 02:01.48 | M_Cheevy | secher: and I'll be happy to see those men in their clean whites coats cause they're coming to take me away ha ha hee hee |
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| 02:02.13 | Buddha| | rubbish |
| 02:02.34 | jmd_ | Can someone explain to me why this program fails: |
| 02:02.35 | jmd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.35 | jmd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.35 | jmd_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:02.38 | M_Cheevy | secher: great song it was |
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| 02:03.03 | jmd_ | 3 lines == flood ?? |
| 02:03.21 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: that was 4. Read /topic |
| 02:03.50 | secher_ | Fish Heads, Fish Heads, roly poly fish head, eat em up yum! Indeed. Dr. Demento show, my parents were traumatized to find me listening at the tender age of 9 yrs. |
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| 02:04.13 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro, How long a pause do I have to put between lines for them to be considered non-consecutive? |
| 02:04.15 | M_Cheevy | secher: I got my tom lehr albums from my mother ;) |
| 02:04.20 | secher_ | LOL |
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| 02:04.22 | secher_ | Nice |
| 02:04.26 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: it doesn't matter. Don't paste here at all. |
| 02:04.30 | M_Cheevy | secher: she had her moments |
| 02:04.51 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro, How do you know I didn't type that? |
| 02:04.58 | M_Cheevy | the bot doesn't differentiate |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | jmd_: because noone types that fast ? :) |
| 02:05.31 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: you clearly didn't type the last three lines. In any case, /topic. Continued pasting will result in silencing. |
| 02:05.37 | secher_ | If you can type that fast, there's a slot in Guiness' for you. |
| 02:05.39 | M_Cheevy | I've been at it for years and at 65wmp I'm in the 93 percentile... |
| 02:05.55 | Atog | ok.. I'll just use kdebase for now... another quick question though.. if I install kdm how do I keep it from taking over the console window on my server ? |
| 02:06.19 | M_Cheevy | atog: ever take a look in /etc/rc.d? |
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| 02:06.34 | dondelelcaro | Atog: it doesn't; it runs on vt8 by default, a higher vt if that's in use. |
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| 02:06.35 | ansong | Atog, don't start it |
| 02:07.01 | M_Cheevy | or did I just show my age there with /etc/rc.d |
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| 02:07.03 | jmd_ | Anyway, whenever I've come on this channel and asked someone to look at flood, they tell me it's too awkward for them at the moment. |
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| 02:07.25 | baz | quickie: is there any way to reattach to an ssh session that I dropped network connection for? |
| 02:07.28 | M_Cheevy | jmd: welcome to irc... helpful is a relative word ;) |
| 02:07.30 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: I highly doubt that, but whatever. |
| 02:07.40 | baz | it's still running, but I can't get to the output |
| 02:07.41 | ecliptik | why would and apt-get update seg fault? |
| 02:07.46 | Atog | ansong: I need it running because I'm using it to serve thin clients for login |
| 02:07.55 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: corrupted .bin files are a classic case. |
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| 02:08.15 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | i have never ever seen anyways say that looking in #flood is too hard |
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| 02:09.05 | foampeace | when you painting on canvas, how do you keep your hand steady? just need experience? |
| 02:09.12 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, umm, still doesn't work, I'm finding is strange that update-menus.real is segfaulting too (I'm manually installing some packages with dpkg) |
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| 02:09.20 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: !bat |
| 02:09.23 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 02:09.24 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 02:09.33 | foampeace | sorry wrong channel |
| 02:09.42 | ansong | Atog, sorry, that's what i get for jumping in at the end. :) |
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| 02:10.16 | M_Cheevy | so, anyone here played with dmraid and 2.4.6? |
| 02:10.22 | M_Cheevy | er 2.6.8 |
| 02:11.03 | jcurry | i am trying to compile nvidia kernel modules, but the build fails because it cannot find 'Modules.symvers'...i custom-compile my own kernel, so i used make-kpkg to create and install a kernel-headers package...what else do i need to do? |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | !tell jcurry about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:11.39 | jcurry | abrotman: i did that, it fails on m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 02:13.20 | cheal | jcurry: just trying, what kernel version is it? |
| 02:13.28 | jcurry | cheal: 2.6.14 |
| 02:13.47 | Muffie | what can I use to update my entirely system? apt-get update all!? :) |
| 02:13.52 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: is there a .deb source for that kernel? |
| 02:14.03 | elenute | apt-get upgrade |
| 02:14.04 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 02:14.05 | dpkg | well, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 02:14.17 | Arsion | psychonate: hmm, doesnt look like the need for Cedega is there anymore for WoW. Just this month Blizz told some people to change a topic title to Linux to attract more linux users playing WoW, have them help with the problem. Seeing that, I have a feeling Blizzard is possibly already working on a GNU/Linux port |
| 02:14.18 | cheal | hehe |
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| 02:14.30 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: i dl'ed the tar from kernel.org and compiled it with make-kpkg |
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| 02:14.44 | jmd_ | Muffie, there's also apt-get dist-upgrade, but nobody knows what the distinction is. |
| 02:14.46 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: so the linux -> linux-2.6.14 symlink is still there |
| 02:14.48 | ecliptik | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1194 , there's my output for apt seg faulting |
| 02:14.51 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: missed that |
| 02:15.02 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: understandable |
| 02:15.02 | psychonate | Arsion, I dunno. I would be *very* surprised if they ported it to *nix |
| 02:15.04 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: there's a very large distinction... |
| 02:15.12 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: wasn't gonna offer help as haven't played in that turf yet... was just curious |
| 02:15.38 | jmd_ | jmd_, But can you explain it? (no hand waving please). |
| 02:15.42 | jcurry | abrotman: anything else i could try? where is one supposed to obtain 'Module.symvers' from? |
| 02:15.56 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: haven't my own problems with multibooting and dmraid ... |
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| 02:16.06 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: :) |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | !tell jcurry about search |
| 02:16.16 | CasaNova_ | Can I get alink or advice on cdrecord problems under sarge running 2.6.12-1-686 (gcc version 4.0.2) my previously working USB cdburner will not get any media recognized so I can;t burn anything - tried multiple disks... |
| 02:16.19 | raden | is there a hotkey or way to make one to minimize all windows In KDE ? |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 02:16.37 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: er, what are you doing re: modules versioning in your kernel config? (haven't see the !tell oneliner so don't know if that's covered in there). |
| 02:16.38 | cheal | raden: yes. check documention or ask #debian-kde |
| 02:16.43 | CasaNova_ | I can burn a DVD in dvd burner but cd burner won't recognize a writeabel disk or says No Media... |
| 02:17.02 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: the distinction is in the manpage; but to cut it short: dist-upgrade will remove packages in order to upgrade others. upgrade won't. |
| 02:17.14 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: i really haver no idea...it says i need that file for modules versioning, and then gives me a bunch of errors and then fails to build |
| 02:17.29 | Arsion | psychonate: here is an example to this. i live in a VERY small town and they just built a convention center that seats a max of 7k people. When it was being built, I said "WWE will now come. My father said they wouldnt, not enough seats (about same as Linux people playing WoW)" Well, they debut here in Janurary. So, if WWE would come to a small ass backwater town...i think there is a good chance ~x~Hate~x~ |
| 02:17.30 | Arsion | ~x~Anger~x~ of Blizz porting WoW to Linux ~x~Sorrow~x~ |
| 02:17.31 | Arsion | psychonate: here is an example to this. i live in a VERY small town and they just built a convention center that seats a max of 7k people. When it was being built, I said "WWE will now come. My father said they wouldnt, not enough seats (about same as Linux people playing WoW)" Well, they debut here in Janurary. So, if WWE would come to a small ass backwater town...i think there is a good chance ~x~Hate~x~ |
| 02:17.34 | Arsion | ack! |
| 02:17.36 | Muffie | thanks all |
| 02:17.48 | Arsion | sorry all! *kills his stupid rpg script* |
| 02:17.57 | CasaNova_ | dondelelcaro - I thought dist-upgrade woudl also upgrade other not-installed needed packages as well? |
| 02:18.14 | Muffie | im performin an apt-get upgrade now. It will update everything? including KDE, kernel, etc? |
| 02:18.19 | dondelelcaro | CasaNova_: yes, it'll install not-installed packages as needed to satisfy dependencies. |
| 02:18.22 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: check your kernel make xconfig (or menuconfig or gconfig) it's in the first few options... when you get to the section on module versions, hit the "?" and read the help screen there |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | jcurry: you find it ? |
| 02:18.37 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: thanks, i'll try that! |
| 02:18.41 | psychonate | Arsion, Blizzard killed an open source Linux game a few years back, called freecraft |
| 02:18.42 | Arsion | sorry, i forgot about my role playing cut script |
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| 02:19.05 | psychonate | Arsion, also, lots and lots of people petitioned blizzard years ago to port Diablo II, because the game was immensely popular with WineX users |
| 02:19.07 | jcurry | abrotman: i can't read what dpkg says, since i am using a curses irc client, and i don't know how to switch windows :( |
| 02:19.11 | psychonate | Arsion, never happened heh |
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| 02:19.25 | jcurry | abrotman: but i'll try M_Cheevy's suggestion |
| 02:19.26 | cheal | Muffie: normally, if there are newer versions of the same packages |
| 02:19.42 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: alt+f1 is terminal 1, and alt+f2 is terminal 2, etc... |
| 02:20.00 | Arsion | psychonate: maybe so, but I have the same feeling on this. I may be wrong. Won't know til it happens or the game dies. |
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| 02:20.03 | abrotman | !find Module.symvers sarge |
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| 02:20.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Module.symvers' (3 of 10): (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7/Module.symvers) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386/Module.symvers) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686/Module.symvers) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686. |
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| 02:20.14 | jcurry | M_Cheevy: nah, those are virtual terms, i need channel windows in the irc client...it is called weechat |
| 02:20.35 | M_Cheevy | too bad it's jcurry and not tcurry, could have some rocky horror jokes on hand ;) |
| 02:20.44 | jcurry | abrotman: i did a make-kpkg kernel_headers. and installed that package |
| 02:20.57 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: gotcha... |
| 02:20.59 | CasaNova_ | did he say toast! |
| 02:21.03 | jcurry | abrotman: and i'm running unstable with 2.6.14 |
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| 02:21.50 | cheal | jcurry: can you paste the error/output? |
| 02:21.57 | jcurry | abrotman: since i am not familiar with how to multitask in clie, i'll leave and try reading the help in the kernel config...unless you have some other sort of tip? |
| 02:22.06 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: into #flood of course ;) |
| 02:22.12 | jcurry | cheal: i doubt i could manage it in cli |
| 02:22.31 | CasaNova_ | Wouldn't you know I jumped in here to ask for help in troubleshooting why I suddenly can't burn a CD and when I run aptitude update/upgrade I see cdrecord and related apps are there! |
| 02:22.36 | jcurry | cheal: the warnings start right after the Module.symvers line, so i think that is it |
| 02:22.43 | M_Cheevy | jcurry: that section of the kernel config has to do with running modules created for a kernel other than the one you're running |
| 02:22.47 | cheal | jcurry: you don't run X on a system where you're trying to build NVIDIA's drivers? :) |
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| 02:23.14 | jcurry | cheal: i had an ati card, and i decided to upgrade :) |
| 02:23.25 | jcurry | anyway, i'll be back...unless i get it working :) |
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| 02:23.30 | seba | hi |
| 02:23.39 | seba | someone using mepis? |
| 02:23.57 | abrotman | seba: #mepis |
| 02:24.03 | seba | thanks |
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| 02:25.53 | M_Cheevy | looks like seba hit the wrong button.... |
| 02:26.05 | dvs | why the heck does synaptic want to remove itself in sid? |
| 02:26.15 | CasaNova_ | Wow coulda sworn I just ran update/upgrade reently - lots of packages in Testing updated! |
| 02:26.26 | M_Cheevy | but I shall hit the right one... ciao folks |
| 02:26.35 | M_Cheevy | hence the name "testing"? |
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| 02:26.48 | Guerin | dvs: stuff breaks in sid. Deal. |
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| 02:27.11 | dvs | Guerin: But synaptic? Geez! Can't live without that! |
| 02:27.11 | CasaNova_ | M_Chevy : Aye I see that now - hopefully whatever was testing fixed the fact can't burn CD's ! :-) |
| 02:27.22 | cheal | Guerin: did you check the BTS? |
| 02:27.22 | Guerin | dvs: there's a dep problem with libapt-somrthing which is causing aptitude to be uninstallable - probably the same issue |
| 02:27.34 | cheal | Guerin: nah it's another one |
| 02:27.36 | Guerin | cheal: no, i checke dthe deps manually |
| 02:27.41 | cheal | Guerin: oops |
| 02:27.45 | cheal | dvs: did you check the BTS? |
| 02:28.01 | dvs | cheal: No, I just won't upgrade until it's fixed. |
| 02:28.07 | CasaNova_ | BTS? (Just wondering...) |
| 02:28.15 | raden | to minimize all windows in KDE For everyones ihnfo is { Ctrl+Alt+D } |
| 02:28.23 | cheal | dvs: well, don't ask then |
| 02:28.23 | Arsion | !bts |
| 02:28.24 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 02:28.24 | mathias64 | BTS: bug trackig system |
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| 02:28.49 | cheal | raden: tell that to #debian-kde |
| 02:28.57 | CasaNova_ | Fantastic... |
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| 02:29.26 | Guerin | Beatyourselfaroundtheheadifyoudon'tknowabout Thisandyouuse Sid |
| 02:29.31 | raden | hehe |
| 02:29.48 | raden | cheal, something soo simple but hard to find a doc |
| 02:30.28 | cheal | raden: I'm just telling you that this channel doesn't care about that shortcut. KDE users don't know that, tell it to #debian-kde |
| 02:30.47 | cheal | I mean, "if you think KDE users don't know that, tell it to #debian-kde" |
| 02:31.33 | asmodaiii | sorry to have disturbed you (connection problem, its alright now) |
| 02:32.04 | CasaNova_ | I jsut ran an update and accidentaly told cdrecord to keep current /etc/default/cdrecord - when I meant to have it update to package maintainers - How can I get it to prompt again (uninstall adn reinstall?) |
| 02:32.04 | mathias64 | raden: I agree with cheal. I run fvwm and I have ctl-d linked to ``quit fvwm'' so I wouldn't want to link ctl-alt-d to anything.... |
| 02:32.56 | dvs | CasaNova_: Copy the new /etc/default/cdrecord.dpkg file to /etc/default/cdrecord |
| 02:33.07 | Wyzard | mathias64: That sounds risky... have you ever pressed it to close a terminal window, and then accidentally pressed it a second time and killed your X session? |
| 02:33.23 | CasaNova_ | dvs; thanks |
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| 02:33.30 | dvs | CasaNova_: No problem |
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| 02:34.08 | cheal | Wyzard: hi. I reported the synaptic problem you mentionned and there's a binNMU scheduled |
| 02:34.19 | mathias64 | wyzard: never. If I had a sticky D key that would be a different story... |
| 02:34.19 | Wyzard | cheal: cool |
| 02:34.26 | wamphyri | anyone using nvidia w/debian amd64? |
| 02:34.32 | CasaNova_ | gosh I'm feeling all washed out - how do I compare 2 files, I tried compare but got an error about decode delegates... |
| 02:34.40 | cheal | wamphyri: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 02:34.42 | Wyzard | CasaNova_: diff |
| 02:34.47 | dvs | CasaNova_: tkdiff |
| 02:34.48 | CasaNova_ | arrrgghhhg |
| 02:35.00 | wamphyri | cheal, thank you |
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| 02:35.17 | mathias64 | wamphyri: I am , but you should ask on #debian-amd64 |
| 02:35.39 | wamphyri | bout to now lol |
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| 02:36.25 | CasaNova_ | Wow never used tkdiff very frelling sexy! |
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| 02:36.41 | dvs | CasaNova_: Yup |
| 02:37.24 | Arsion | dvs: would tkdiff be good for finding out the sizes between 2 files? |
| 02:38.27 | dvs | Arsion: Not that I know of |
| 02:38.49 | mathias64 | arsion: won't ls -l work? |
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| 02:40.45 | jcurry | abrotman: i pasted it here: http://pastebin.com/444460 |
| 02:41.06 | Arsion | dvs: what would be a good way to do that? trying to create a shell script that will take a folder, tar.gz it and save it to another folder. a second one to backup my mysql databases and do the same to it, then a third one that would upload/overwrite those files to anothert box, but ONLY if they are bigger then the files already on the other box |
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| 02:41.42 | cheal | jcurry: that looks like a warning, not an error |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | /bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory |
| 02:42.02 | jcurry | cheal...but it fails |
| 02:42.09 | jcurry | abrotman: oops, didn;t see that |
| 02:42.12 | CasaNova_ | Darn still cant get a blank CD recognized under cdrecord! darn |
| 02:42.23 | dvs | Arsion: The best I can think of is awk and ls but that's not really good |
| 02:42.26 | jcurry | abrotman: so how do i get that script? |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | dunno .. |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | !find mod/modpost sarge |
| 02:42.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod/modpost' (1): (/usr/src/kernel-kbuild-2.6-3/scripts/mod/{modpost|modpost.c|modpost.h}) in devel/kernel-kbuild-2.6-3. |
| 02:42.58 | litage | if i can telnet into my mail server from box1 and send an email, why would cron on box1 not send emails when its jobs generate output? |
| 02:43.02 | cheal | jcurry: do you realize that you don't have to use NVIDIA's proprietary drivers to run X with an NVIDIA card? |
| 02:43.17 | jcurry | abrotman: can i build one of those with make-kpkg? |
| 02:43.46 | jcurry | cheal: yes...but i want 3d accel...if i get to frustrated with cli, i'll of course use nv...but so far, i'm doing fine |
| 02:44.25 | fbi | !nvidia one liner |
| 02:44.26 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:44.29 | cheal | jcurry: ok...because it's really easy to switch your X driver :) |
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| 02:44.48 | jcurry | fbi: we already tried that, it fails for me at m-a ai- nvidia |
| 02:44.53 | foo | What is some of the main differences between ubuntu and debian? Just curious... |
| 02:44.55 | abrotman | jcurry: i have no idea what it is .. seems you need .. uhm .. kbuild thingie ? |
| 02:45.14 | jcurry | abrotman: seems so, yes...but i have never heard of it :( |
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| 02:45.39 | Wyzard | foo: Ubuntu is more user-friendly-desktop-oriented, and places less emphasis on being rock-solid stable and more on having the latest software |
| 02:45.40 | Arsion | jcurry: haha you two? i cant get modass to work for me on anything |
| 02:45.53 | jcurry | Arsion: i guess so :( |
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| 02:46.00 | CasaNova_ | !find cdrtools |
| 02:46.02 | dpkg | cdrtools-doc: (Documentation for the cdrtools package-suite), section doc, is optional. Version: 4:2.01+01a03-3 (sid), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 520 kB |
| 02:46.14 | jcurry | abrotman: i'll try looking around, seeing if i can get it to work...thanks |
| 02:46.16 | CasaNova_ | What happened to cdrtools? |
| 02:46.29 | foo | Wyzard: Ah, thanks. What would be better for a server platform? |
| 02:46.37 | fbi | !info cdrtools sarge |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | that guy has to stop running away |
| 02:46.45 | fbi | doesn't exist. |
| 02:46.49 | fbi | what guy |
| 02:46.55 | Wyzard | foo: Well, this being #debian, most people here would tell you Debian is better :-) |
| 02:46.56 | cheal | foo: debian has more packages, supports more hardware, has longer release cycles, etc. for ubuntu's advantages, ask them :) |
| 02:46.59 | CasaNova_ | ooohhh |
| 02:47.07 | Wyzard | foo: and I'd agree, particularly if it's a mission-critical server |
| 02:47.10 | Arsion | foo: debian |
| 02:47.11 | Wyzard | foo: run a Debian stable release |
| 02:47.30 | CasaNova_ | Burning CDs is becoming more difficult everyday :-) |
| 02:47.43 | Wyzard | foo: If it's just something like a home Samba server, it doesn't matter that much |
| 02:47.52 | mathias64 | foo: it's the _stable_ part that's important. ubuntu is more like debian _unstable_ aka sid... but ubuntu is sometimes ahead of that, even |
| 02:47.54 | Arsion | CasaNova_: no it isnt...just put a lighter up to one...easiest thing to do |
| 02:47.54 | foo | Wyzard and Arsion and cheal: I am a debian person. Just been hearing some things about ubuntu but don't really care for it. Thanks for the info ... and FYI, I asked the same question in #ubuntu and no one responded to me. heh |
| 02:48.12 | CasaNova_ | Arsion: I was thinking same thing as I hit enter - may be only way to do so now... |
| 02:48.30 | cheal | foo: not really surprising, that's a very popular question for trolling |
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| 02:48.59 | foo | cheal: heh, I bet... but I blamed it on curiousity, didn't say anything about me and debian. |
| 02:49.07 | Wyzard | foo: Ubuntu's release process consists of taking a snapshot of Debian's "unstable" branch, fixing any major problems it has, and releasing it |
| 02:49.17 | Arsion | foo: i use debian stable with VHCS |
| 02:49.20 | foo | Wyzard: ah, I see |
| 02:49.23 | foo | Arsion: VHCS? |
| 02:49.31 | Wyzard | foo: Debian's release process consists of a several-month "freeze" period where the candidate release is tested thoroughly and the only changes allowed are bugfixes |
| 02:49.34 | Arsion | foo: Virtual Hosting Control System |
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| 02:49.46 | foo | Arsion: gocha |
| 02:49.52 | Duelist | Wyzard: so I may as well run unstable and just keep my eyes peeled for major bugs |
| 02:49.53 | Arsion | foo: its like cpanel in its baby days |
| 02:49.53 | Duelist | ? |
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| 02:50.03 | Arsion | foo: but free |
| 02:50.05 | Wyzard | foo: However, Debian's releases occur much less frequently than Ubuntu's 6-month intervals, so people often complain that software in Debian is out-of-date |
| 02:50.08 | foo | Arsion: oh? Nice. |
| 02:50.09 | Wyzard | Duelist: That's what I do |
| 02:50.22 | moreno25 | hi |
| 02:50.23 | selfcontr0l | ok guys...i have a question...i am trying to install xstroke (i know not supported) BUT i just wanna know what the heck xft is |
| 02:50.34 | dvs | !info xft |
| 02:50.42 | dvs | oops! |
| 02:50.49 | Wyzard | Duelist: I wouldn't recommend running unstable unless you "know what you're doing"... but on the other hand, it can be a good way to learn what you're doing, sometimes by necessity |
| 02:50.52 | Arsion | Wyzard: i prefer out-of-date and working, then frequent updates and ebola to a server |
| 02:51.34 | selfcontr0l | it says Package xft was not found in the pkg-config search path |
| 02:51.45 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: You need the -dev package for it |
| 02:51.48 | selfcontr0l | but i looked for xft.pc like it says and i don't have anything like it |
| 02:52.03 | selfcontr0l | the -deb package for xft or for xstroke? |
| 02:52.05 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: libxft-dev |
| 02:52.13 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: "-dev", not "-deb" |
| 02:52.29 | selfcontr0l | oic!...lemme try |
| 02:52.40 | mathias64 | to be fair: I have run unstable exclusively for many years, and have never managed to run into too many problems. I only update infrequently, so I manage to miss the short time periods when everything is broken. If apt tells me it needs to uninstall everything I hit ctl-c and wait a week. |
| 02:52.42 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: Library packages contain compiled libraries for use by already-compiled programs which link to them; dev packages contain header files for compiling new programs against the library |
| 02:53.01 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: XFT is X FreeType, a font-rendering library which supports anti-aliasing, btw |
| 02:54.10 | selfcontr0l | Wyzard: that worked :) thanks a bunch |
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| 02:54.27 | Wyzard | mathias64: I upgrade basically daily, and it seems to me that it's better that way... people I know who do infrequent big upgrades actually seem to run into problems more often |
| 02:55.01 | selfcontr0l | Wyzard: so do is XFT something that is just used or is it something i need to turn on? |
| 02:55.19 | ton | i have downloaded basic debian but i can not start x ? |
| 02:55.20 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: It's something that's used by programs which are written to support it |
| 02:55.35 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: Whether it's always used or is optional depends on how the program is written |
| 02:55.47 | fbi | !tell ton about setup x |
| 02:55.48 | selfcontr0l | ic, so the libraries are installed and there if they are needed |
| 02:55.53 | Wyzard | selfcontr0l: Typically it's the default when available, though |
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| 02:56.27 | madradrone | ton: see the X section here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 02:56.30 | ton | ok |
| 02:56.59 | Arsion | well all, its time for me to go to bed before i become like this joke: Why You Can't Find Your System Administrator? He just finished a double shift and is out back wondering what that big burning ball in the sky is. |
| 02:57.48 | madradrone | damn that is a bit out of date though |
| 02:59.04 | MeTaLwHoRe | is it possible to ignore the first 2 directories a tarbal is trying to extract to..eg 1/2/3/4 i need to ignore 1/2 but keep 3/4 |
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| 03:00.30 | ongeboren | what apache2 modules do I need for http authentication ? it seems it's not laoded by default |
| 03:00.45 | mathias64 | metalwhoe: mkdir 1 & ln -s 1/2 . |
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| 03:01.23 | mathias64 | umm mkdir 1 && ln -s . 1/2 |
| 03:01.33 | mathias64 | i hate it when i don't think before i type |
| 03:02.33 | vgray | Hi, i am looking small unix-like distr. , I am going to run 4-5 disrt in my vmware box to test bgp confuguration, so dist should support bgp routing, can anybody help me to find it? |
| 03:03.38 | MeTaLwHoRe | mathias64 maybe i wasnt clear.. the path in the tarbal is 1/2/3/4 i need it to not extract to 1/2 but from 3 onwards eg. 3543/www.domain.com/cgi-bin/m00 i need it to extract to ./cgi-bin/* only |
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| 03:05.14 | mathias64 | metalwhore: so if you make a directory named 1, and symlink 1/2 to the current dir. then 1/2/3/ is 3/ in the current dir. so you can run tar and it will extract things where you want them. then you rm -f 1/ and you have acheived your goal. |
| 03:05.26 | madradrone | MeTaLwHoRe: why not copy the tarball into some directory, extract, and move the stuff later? |
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| 03:06.10 | Wyzard | ...or use tar's "--exclude" option to skip the items you don't want |
| 03:06.25 | MeTaLwHoRe | hmm i could do, its just its approx 2000 tarbals, all with diff paths |
| 03:06.36 | mathias64 | tar --exclude would just skip the files, not strip the paths. |
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| 03:06.51 | MeTaLwHoRe | the only common factor is the first 2 paths need stripped |
| 03:07.00 | mathias64 | the short answer is: there is no such option listed in the tar man page |
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| 03:08.05 | mathias64 | you could use a shell script to make the links i mentioned for each tar file. the first two lines of tar tvf give you the names of the directories |
| 03:08.12 | abrotman | http://imdb.com/name/nm0000305/ |
| 03:08.51 | abrotman | 897 parts .. that's insane |
| 03:09.07 | MeTaLwHoRe | tar zxvf m00.tar.gz ; mv */*/*/ ./ |
| 03:09.35 | mathias64 | metalwhore: that will only work for the first tarball.... |
| 03:09.56 | MeTaLwHoRe | they're all going in different places |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | yay for for loops |
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| 03:10.28 | MeTaLwHoRe | god damn hippy loving windows boxes i swear im going insane |
| 03:10.31 | litage | i've added debian's volatile repository to my apt sources and can install clamav-data from it. however, updating clamav-data says that the newest version is installed, even though 20051122 is installed and the newest is 20051129 |
| 03:11.56 | elenute | wait for a few days then |
| 03:13.44 | litage | elenute: what will that do? |
| 03:14.53 | elenute | the new version will be added to repository (maybe) :) |
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| 03:15.12 | cheal | litage: which repository do you use? |
| 03:15.21 | brian__ | how do I disable appletalk in debian |
| 03:15.29 | ton | one question i am running debian under qemu , and i can not run apt-get install x-windows=system , it say dont package |
| 03:15.31 | brian__ | I don't need it and it slows down bootup time |
| 03:15.48 | Buddha| | brian__ - just duct tape its mouth shut |
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| 03:15.56 | nekostar | arg |
| 03:15.57 | cheal | !tell ton about install x |
| 03:16.06 | brian__ | seriously lol |
| 03:16.13 | nekostar | so im trying to get to the point where i can use transcode :/ |
| 03:16.13 | cheal | !x windows |
| 03:16.13 | dpkg | It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X |
| 03:16.31 | nekostar | and thats not really smart on etch let me tell ya unless you have plenty of time and patience to compile programs |
| 03:16.34 | nekostar | *sighs* |
| 03:16.36 | nekostar | um |
| 03:16.36 | litage | cheal: i'm mirroring the debian-volatile repository located at planetmirror.com |
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| 03:16.50 | abrotman | brian__: don't load the module |
| 03:16.52 | ton | how could i get x windows system where can i get this package |
| 03:16.59 | brian__ | its a module |
| 03:17.11 | brian__ | what would my moudles file be in debian |
| 03:17.16 | brian__ | rc.modules |
| 03:17.25 | mathias64 | ton: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 03:17.26 | cheal | !tell ton about x windows |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | rc.* isn't used in debian |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 03:17.32 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 03:17.56 | nekostar | so ive been doing just that and i need the lame libraries to compile the transcode package! last thing i need.. so i compiled and installed lame.. but it seems that the ./configure cant see the libraries even though lame is in for some reason.. i looked and there is none in /usr/lib/ so um... how do i get // find // these libraries please |
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| 03:18.25 | ongeboren | what apache2 modules do I need for http authentication ? it seems it's not laoded by default |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | ongeboren: did you look in /etc/apache2/mods-available ? |
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| 03:20.33 | cheal | litage: try updating your packages list |
| 03:20.37 | wang | hi i just installed mozilla-cascade and it didn't make it's way into mozilla-composer's tool bar, any ideas? |
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| 03:20.50 | wang | abrotman : and no it isn't bitchx's fault |
| 03:20.58 | fbi | haha |
| 03:21.02 | fbi | yes it is. |
| 03:21.09 | ton | i have basic debian how can i connect to internet ? |
| 03:21.15 | wang | =) |
| 03:21.26 | fbi | ton: uh, you're on irc aren't you? |
| 03:21.26 | abrotman | wang: did you restart mozilla ? |
| 03:21.32 | mathias64 | ton: you can't connect to the internet, and we're all imaginary |
| 03:21.46 | abrotman | wang: oh wait .. check here http://bugs.debian.org/bitchx |
| 03:22.01 | wang | lol |
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| 03:22.31 | ton | i have debian unde qemu and mirc under windows xp |
| 03:22.44 | fbi | !pal ton |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | are you bragging ? |
| 03:22.48 | foo | Hmm, has linux been able to support the linksys wpc11 v4 wireless b card yet? I know it couldn't a year or so ago.. wonder if anything has changed. Trying to install debian via the card and I need to manually load the driver. |
| 03:22.52 | abrotman | i mean .. that's not much to brag about |
| 03:23.17 | cheal | foo: which chipset? |
| 03:23.19 | fbi | ton: your port 27374 is wide open |
| 03:23.27 | crash3m_ | foo: wpc11 == junk ;) |
| 03:23.34 | wang | bleh |
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| 03:23.59 | foo | crash3m_: Eh, I know. It's a really old card... and I thought I could get debian on this old laptop and use it for chatting. |
| 03:24.09 | foo | cheal: Not too sure, don't see anything on the card itself. /me googles |
| 03:24.31 | wang | abrotman : yar I restarted mozilla |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | yar ? |
| 03:24.42 | ton | i only downloaded basic debian and installed it on qemu , but i can not connect it for internet and download x windows system to run it graphically |
| 03:24.42 | litage | cheal: i have. after updating, ``apt-cache show clamav-data'' lists *3* versions: 20051129, 20051122, 20050523 |
| 03:24.43 | wang | abrotman : restarting this box wouldn't do it |
| 03:24.44 | wang | ? |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | wang: i loved yar! |
| 03:25.02 | ongeboren | abrotman, yes, there are some auth_ modules, but they are not linked from mod-enabled/ |
| 03:25.02 | wang | smart ass |
| 03:25.10 | abrotman | litage: maybe a -t is needed ? |
| 03:25.10 | cheal | litage: I could probably help with the output of $ apt-cache policy |
| 03:25.16 | abrotman | ongeboren: a2enmod |
| 03:25.21 | cheal | litage: $ apt-cache policy clamav-data |
| 03:25.29 | Donno459 | Any one know a link to a guide for Doing a Net install from floopy disks |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:25.38 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 03:25.42 | fbi | !floopy |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 03:25.55 | dpkg | sarge floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 03:26.01 | wang | i have good news tho |
| 03:26.06 | ton | could someone help me |
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| 03:26.10 | Guerin | ton: you probably need to network your qemu virtual machine with your d0zer - consult man interfaces for details on the debian side |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | wang: you saved a bunch of money on your car insurance ? |
| 03:26.20 | wang | i just saved a ton of money on my insurance by fleeing the scene of an accident |
| 03:26.22 | fbi | jackass |
| 03:26.24 | wang | you bastard |
| 03:26.28 | wang | you fucked up my whole punchline |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 03:26.36 | wang | lol |
| 03:26.39 | Guerin | is this some sort of in-joke? |
| 03:26.39 | wang | haha |
| 03:26.40 | litage | cheal: ``apt-cache policy clamav-data'' : http://rafb.net/paste/results/WUaKfh33.html |
| 03:26.42 | fbi | abrotman fucks lots of things up. |
| 03:27.09 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 03:27.10 | wang | abrotman : you think rebooting the box would have the two merge? |
| 03:27.16 | fbi | i'll fuck up a pizza after that joint i just roasted. |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | wang: is it supposed to be in the bar ? |
| 03:27.21 | cheal | litage: eh. and # apt-get install clamav-data; doesn't upgrade it? |
| 03:27.27 | wang | abrotman : according to debian.org |
| 03:27.32 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:27.47 | wang | abrotman : http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/mozilla-cascades |
| 03:28.03 | litage | cheal: correct |
| 03:28.07 | abrotman | wang: nvu ? |
| 03:28.33 | cheal | litage: do you have pins or is it on hold? |
| 03:28.49 | Donno459 | So i just grab boot.img, net-drivers and maybe root.img? |
| 03:29.36 | wang | and a large fry and pie, large coffee |
| 03:29.37 | wang | pronto. |
| 03:29.49 | selfcontr0l | someone wanna help me with some error deciphoring??? i'm gonna join #flood and post |
| 03:29.57 | abrotman | !info nvu sid |
| 03:30.01 | litage | cheal: i just ran ``apt-get install --yes clamav-data'' and it installed 20051129 (the newest version). that's very strange, as several minutes ago that didn't happen: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AFgNGl91.html |
| 03:30.04 | Guerin | selfcontr0l: put it on a psatebin for great justice |
| 03:30.05 | dpkg | nvu: (Complete Web Authoring System), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8301 kB, Installed size: 25097 kB |
| 03:30.14 | selfcontr0l | Guerin: huh? |
| 03:30.19 | Guerin | !paster selfcontr0l |
| 03:30.19 | dpkg | selfcontr0l: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 03:30.38 | wang | <3 nvu |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | wang: so use it |
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| 03:30.55 | wang | i am |
| 03:30.56 | Guerin | emacs > * for web authoring |
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| 03:31.08 | cheal | litage: I see |
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| 03:31.18 | wang | but like, i wanted mozilla-cascades |
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| 03:31.28 | selfcontr0l | done |
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| 03:31.31 | litage | cheal: strange things are afoot |
| 03:31.52 | wang | either way it doesn't load cascades into the mozilla-composer toolbar, and nvu is just an alternative frontend for composer i thought? |
| 03:31.59 | nekostar | oi |
| 03:32.04 | selfcontr0l | do i need to paste the link it gave me? or can you all just see it |
| 03:32.11 | wang | paste the url |
| 03:32.19 | selfcontr0l | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1195 |
| 03:32.21 | wang | we're not Miss Cleo |
| 03:32.25 | wang | who de fada of de baby?! |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | wang: the bot used to tell us |
| 03:32.36 | ongeboren | abrotman, nice, thanks |
| 03:32.38 | wang | oh neat |
| 03:32.44 | abrotman | !find X11/xpm.h |
| 03:32.48 | abrotman | ongeboren: enjoy |
| 03:32.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'X11/xpm.h' (1): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/xpm.h) in libdevel/libxpm-dev. |
| 03:32.55 | selfcontr0l | is the error in "control_win" or in "xstroke.h" or in action.c? or X11/xpm? |
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| 03:33.27 | vm-hack | hi |
| 03:33.30 | vm-hack | i just upgraded to kde 3.5, and i would like to use the kwifimanager opposed to editing the /etc/network/interfaces file and then calling ifup wlan0... |
| 03:33.35 | selfcontr0l | oic so i could just come in here and do !find "file" and it tells me the package? |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: apt-get install libxpm-dev |
| 03:33.37 | vm-hack | is there a way to disable the interfaces file from being used |
| 03:33.44 | vm-hack | when calling ifup wlan0? |
| 03:33.59 | fbi | selfcontr0l: no, you come in here and /msg dpkg find foo |
| 03:34.02 | selfcontr0l | so one more thing: help me understand how you could see that that one was the file |
| 03:34.06 | abrotman | vm-hack: you could comment out all the stuff in the interfaces file |
| 03:34.15 | vm-hack | hmm... |
| 03:34.16 | selfcontr0l | cuz to me they all look like errors |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | selfcontr0l: the NO SUCH FILE line ? :) |
| 03:34.19 | vm-hack | haha that sounds simple enough |
| 03:34.20 | vm-hack | let me try it |
| 03:34.24 | vm-hack | thanks |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | fbi: why do i let you drag me back in here over and over |
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| 03:35.04 | fbi | abrotman: because i'm the fonzie of freenode? |
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| 03:35.12 | brian__ | confused disable the appletalk module in both of those files and its still starting |
| 03:35.14 | brian__ | when I boot |
| 03:35.16 | abrotman | fbi: you're uneducated ? |
| 03:35.23 | fbi | abrotman: totally. and jewish. |
| 03:35.38 | abrotman | i've never even had the appletalk start .. how does it start accidentally ? |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | fbi: you me and Roey :) |
| 03:36.13 | fbi | forill? i was kidding. |
| 03:36.22 | abrotman | kidding what ? |
| 03:36.28 | fbi | about being jewish. |
| 03:36.46 | fbi | and i don't look anything like fonzie. or ride a honda. |
| 03:36.47 | abrotman | my mom had me baptized .. my dad made me have a bar mitzvah .. i'm going south either way |
| 03:37.12 | fbi | oh, i was baptised as a catholic. lotta good that did me. |
| 03:37.23 | abrotman | yeah .. my mom was catholic :) |
| 03:37.24 | fbi | s/ise/ize/g |
| 03:37.35 | Guerin | fbi: are you off the cats yet? |
| 03:37.37 | wang | hi |
| 03:37.40 | fbi | cool, let's meet at church sometime and eat a wafer. |
| 03:37.43 | Sneaky_Bastard | abrotman: That was to confuse The Big Guy, so he wouldn't be able to decide what to do with you in The Afterlife :p |
| 03:37.44 | fbi | Guerin: eh? |
| 03:38.02 | Sneaky_Bastard | you'll probably get to be a janitor in Purgatory or something |
| 03:38.05 | Sneaky_Bastard | :p |
| 03:38.07 | Guerin | fbi: it must be hard if you run out of cats ... whadaya do, hold up a pet shop? |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | Sneaky_Bastard: well .. i figure the mixture . and the events of my life have me squarely in hell :) |
| 03:38.10 | wang | shoe shiner |
| 03:38.16 | fbi | haha |
| 03:38.26 | fbi | i breed them under my trailer. |
| 03:38.28 | wang | shine ye shoes govenuh |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | !hire wang |
| 03:38.42 | wang | haha |
| 03:38.48 | Sneaky_Bastard | ah, but you see.... you'll be stuck in heavenly court whilst they debate jurisidiction ;-) |
| 03:39.04 | Sneaky_Bastard | so you'll never burn that way :D |
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| 03:39.18 | BhaalWK | Tis cool wang, my job pays enough as it is, you can have the propeller cleaning all to yourself... |
| 03:39.34 | abrotman | BhaalWK: thank you for not obliterating me! :) |
| 03:39.36 | wang | propeller cleaners get all the women, everyone knows that |
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| 03:39.54 | fbi | that would suck, if like, the boat turned on while you were down there though. |
| 03:39.58 | BhaalWK | abrotman: I may be an oper, but Im not a mean oper :) |
| 03:39.59 | Debian_freak | !brasil |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:40.06 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:40.06 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 03:40.30 | Debian_freak | j #debian-br |
| 03:40.43 | wang | abrotman : mozilla-cascades! |
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| 03:41.30 | Sneaky_Bastard | fbi: that's why a smart workman uses a lockout to prevent the system being turned on |
| 03:41.50 | Sneaky_Bastard | this is the S.O.P. around dangerous machinery |
| 03:41.57 | fbi | Sneaky_Bastard: people smoke weed, accidents happen. |
| 03:42.01 | Sneaky_Bastard | each workman has a padlock with their name on it |
| 03:42.08 | Sneaky_Bastard | which is applied to the master power switch |
| 03:42.11 | spaceratk | is it possible for someone to help me with my install of debian |
| 03:42.24 | fbi | spaceratk: probably. |
| 03:42.27 | Sneaky_Bastard | not possible to turn the system on until each worker retrievs his personal lock |
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| 03:42.36 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 03:42.36 | fbi | Sneaky_Bastard: that's a cute story. |
| 03:42.45 | wang | haha |
| 03:42.48 | Sneaky_Bastard | that's required industry practice |
| 03:42.55 | wang | for what? |
| 03:43.04 | Sneaky_Bastard | only morons who don't do it, get killed by large machinery |
| 03:43.10 | Sneaky_Bastard | (during maintenance) |
| 03:43.18 | fbi | apparently being a prop cleaner is a highly lucrative career choice. |
| 03:43.35 | Sneaky_Bastard | well, you have to be a SCUBA diver, I suppose. |
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| 03:43.53 | wang | oh i was thinking air props |
| 03:43.55 | fbi | nah. _real_ prop cleaners hold their breath. |
| 03:43.57 | spaceratk | well i am trying to install debian on a laptop that has no cd drive (only a floppy drive... so i am doing an internet install) thing is i cant connect to none of the servers |
| 03:44.11 | fbi | spaceratk: pcmcia? |
| 03:44.15 | K_Dallas | Q: how do i use console-terminus fonts? I dont see them in xfontsel , thanks |
| 03:44.17 | Sneaky_Bastard | cheaper to pay a diver to clean it in the water, than to dry dock the vessel |
| 03:44.29 | spaceratk | pcmcia? |
| 03:44.40 | fbi | spaceratk: what's your network hardware |
| 03:44.49 | wang | cable modem! |
| 03:44.58 | spaceratk | its a ethernet card |
| 03:45.01 | mathias64 | k_dallas: think about it: console fonts and xfontsel? |
| 03:45.09 | abrotman | !pcmcia |
| 03:45.09 | dpkg | from memory, pcmcia is (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) Aside from winning the award for being the longest and most-annoying-to-pronounce technology acronym, PCMCIA is a credit card-sized interface card standard. PCMCIA cards are most commonly found in notebook computers. You'll usually find two slots on newer models. Two small slots can hold two Type I or II cards or one Type III card. Type III cards are usually mini ... |
| 03:45.14 | spaceratk | and i have cable internet |
| 03:45.39 | K_Dallas | mathias64, cannot i still select them as the fixed-width fonts there? |
| 03:45.42 | abrotman | spaceratk: is the NIC on ? |
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| 03:45.52 | abrotman | or rather .. are any lights flashing ? |
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| 03:45.57 | Sneaky_Bastard | http://www.reecesafety.co.uk/ |
| 03:46.00 | Sneaky_Bastard | I wasn't making that up |
| 03:46.12 | spaceratk | both lights are lit up |
| 03:46.13 | mathias64 | k_dallas: try installing xfonts-terminus |
| 03:46.20 | K_Dallas | ok, thank you |
| 03:46.30 | abrotman | spaceratk: does the router have any info about your laptop ? |
| 03:46.33 | pawan | I want to paste stuff into mozilla after selecting text from bash. I can do it with a middle mouse button press. I want to do it with a keyboard press. Is there a magic key combination to do that? If not, how can I set it up? |
| 03:46.47 | spaceratk | i have no router |
| 03:47.04 | abrotman | spaceratk: did the installer get an IP ? |
| 03:47.12 | wang | IP? |
| 03:47.24 | pawan | btw, shift-insert and ctrl-v don't do it - at least for my bash in xterm. |
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| 03:48.02 | Donno459 | first time i have used a Floopy Disk in ages |
| 03:48.04 | mathias64 | middle-mouse-click is a special thing... not a keyboard thing. You had to use the mouse to highlght the text.... |
| 03:48.15 | wang | snowgeese: please do not poop on the new carpet. |
| 03:48.38 | spaceratk | no dont think it did (i tried autoconfigure DCHP and it says successful and my ISP doesnt use http proxy so i left that blank) |
| 03:48.43 | Sneaky_Bastard | http://www.reecesafety.co.uk/Captive%20hasp.htm <----- multi-worker lockout |
| 03:49.15 | pawan | mathias64 : yup, so select text with mouse, paste text with key combination. Wondering how to do the last bit. |
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| 03:49.26 | wang | Sneaky_Bastard are you a former propeller cleaner? |
| 03:50.17 | pawan | spaceratk : you could maybe to a pxe install if your laptop has a pxe network card. |
| 03:50.38 | spaceratk | when i try to connect to a mirror i get this message... "the specified debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it" |
| 03:50.55 | wang | hmm |
| 03:51.19 | wang | it wouldn't be trying to fetch from cdrom would it? |
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| 03:51.28 | fbi | oh. you probably need a new sources.list |
| 03:51.34 | fbi | spaceratk: can you run "apt-setup" ? |
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| 03:51.38 | pawan | spaceratk : yup, check sources list |
| 03:52.11 | jcurry | abrotman: i recompiled my kernel...and no 'm-a a-i nvidia' fails without writing *anything* to the log! |
| 03:52.21 | mathias64 | pawan: try http://www.wlug.org.nz/XFree86KeyboardMouseNotes for one solution. i haven;t ever heard of an elegant one, though. |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:52.32 | spaceratk | sorry about being such a pain but how can i do that |
| 03:52.37 | abrotman | jcurry: why are you compiling a kenrel again ? |
| 03:52.49 | fbi | spaceratk: in console or a terminal, type apt-setup |
| 03:52.55 | fbi | spaceratk: as root |
| 03:53.36 | jcurry | abrotman: cause i got really confused with all the symlinks :) ... j/k ...i couldn't get around that other error...but i used append-to-version, so the two are completely seperate |
| 03:53.43 | spaceratk | how do i get there from the installer |
| 03:53.45 | cddesjar | i guess kde3.5 was released yesterday |
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| 03:54.07 | selfcontr0l | what irc program do some of you gurus prefer? |
| 03:54.13 | fbi | wtf you're still in the installer? |
| 03:54.15 | cddesjar | !best irc client |
| 03:54.16 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 03:54.22 | selfcontr0l | haha |
| 03:54.31 | spaceratk | yeah |
| 03:54.31 | cddesjar | dpkg never lies |
| 03:54.35 | selfcontr0l | ok i'll give it a shot :) |
| 03:54.36 | cddesjar | unless he's programed to |
| 03:54.42 | jcurry | abrotman: hmm, now that i think about it, i think i know what is wrong |
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| 03:54.43 | selfcontr0l | i didn't think THAT would be in dpkg :) |
| 03:54.47 | wang | abrotman preferrs BitchX |
| 03:54.49 | jcurry | abrotman: thanks for the inspiration! |
| 03:54.59 | fbi | spaceratk: i'm not totally familiar with the floppy install. start a new install and choose a different http, or even use ftp for the install |
| 03:55.01 | cddesjar | i thought abrotman used konversation |
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| 03:55.13 | wang | naw he loves BitchX |
| 03:55.21 | Donno459 | great im so glad i wasn't part of the generation who had to load Windows from like 11 floppy disks :P |
| 03:55.33 | mathias64 | pawan: on second thought, read up on pointerkeys |
| 03:55.41 | abrotman | wang: stop trolling |
| 03:55.55 | wang | =P |
| 03:55.57 | abrotman | cddesjar: and no |
| 03:56.02 | spaceratk | ok i'll do that but i tried like 50+ mirrors no exageration |
| 03:56.15 | cddesjar | i thought you were an irssi man? you turned me on to it several months ago |
| 03:56.27 | abrotman | cddesjar: i use xchat and irssi |
| 03:56.39 | cddesjar | ok |
| 03:56.43 | xam | Donno459: thanks for bringing up that subject. I thought I had it erased from my memories :-P |
| 03:56.46 | K_Dallas | Q: would --> unhup some-program & let me run the program even if i log off my account? |
| 03:56.49 | fbi | spaceratk: if it's doing it with every mirror, your network isn't being configured properly |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | K_Dallas: nohup |
| 03:57.04 | K_Dallas | oops, yes that is what i meant |
| 03:57.05 | Donno459 | :P |
| 03:57.10 | spaceratk | ah ok |
| 03:57.14 | wang | hmm |
| 03:57.34 | K_Dallas | abrotman, so does it do what i want to? I used to do it under unix |
| 03:57.37 | fbi | spaceratk: i'm not even sure what network cards are supported by the floppy installer, you need to look into that |
| 03:57.37 | wang | is it possible to bring up a terminal of some sort whilst using the boot floppies to ping himself/his router? |
| 03:57.42 | cddesjar | have you guys tried that chatzilla? it's interesting...not sure what i think of it |
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| 03:58.02 | mathias64 | wang: ctl-f2 |
| 03:58.05 | abrotman | K_Dallas: it should |
| 03:58.35 | K_Dallas | great. thanks abrotman |
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| 03:59.11 | wang | spaceratk : are you binding to a static ip or using dhcp supplied by your cable router? |
| 03:59.14 | Donno459 | great net-driver floopy disk is Ext2 :( going to have to reboot pc with deb install in progress (one that needs this disk :( |
| 03:59.44 | fbi | he set up his network to use DHCP. |
| 03:59.51 | secher_ | abrotman: have you seen e17??? I just finished the build.. it's incredible. It really makes Mac's interface look like it's still playing in Kindergarten. |
| 03:59.57 | abrotman | !dr16 |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 03:59.59 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | secher_: i watched the movies .. like .. a year ago :) |
| 04:00.16 | abrotman | secher_: you sohuld talk to Gnea |
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| 04:00.22 | numist | ok, I know this has probably been asked recently, but sound in udev |
| 04:00.32 | lorrand | Pessoal tou com um problema no Debian tipo, eu tento mover ou apagar um arquivo mais aparece uma mensagem: este arquivo é somente leitura, e eu como root o que eu faço |
| 04:00.34 | numist | mpg123 cant find a device anymore |
| 04:00.55 | secher_ | I've seen him(her??) around, why should I talk to them? |
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| 04:01.05 | astronut | what qt lib is needed for kernel make xconfig? |
| 04:01.08 | spaceratk | yeah my isp uses DCHP |
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| 04:01.32 | lorrand | tem alguem ai do brasil |
| 04:01.34 | secher_ | Mmm-Bacon, are you ircing as root? |
| 04:01.35 | wang | spaceratk : i mean your local area network, from your router to your machine |
| 04:01.39 | astronut | !br |
| 04:01.40 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:01.43 | cheal | astronut: did you check kernel-package's doc? |
| 04:01.51 | spaceratk | no network really |
| 04:02.06 | wang | just the cable modem to your nic? |
| 04:02.09 | astronut | cheal: well, it used to wrok fine so i was wonering if it got removed somehow, i'm on the way to doing that |
| 04:02.13 | spaceratk | yeah |
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| 04:02.47 | Mmm-Bacon | better? :P |
| 04:02.51 | secher_ | :) |
| 04:03.00 | Mmm-Bacon | what package is 'lspci' located in? |
| 04:03.01 | secher_ | just for your sake, not mine... |
| 04:03.13 | wang | spaceratk: control+f2, and ping 72.20.15.57 |
| 04:03.13 | fbi | mmmmm. sake |
| 04:03.14 | secher_ | apt-get install apt-file then apt-file search lspci |
| 04:03.24 | wang | see if you get any replies |
| 04:03.28 | cheal | Mmm-Bacon: use $ dpkg -S `which lspci`; to find |
| 04:03.36 | Mmm-Bacon | i tried 'apt-cache search lspci' without results |
| 04:03.39 | Mmm-Bacon | hmm... |
| 04:03.42 | secher_ | Mmm-Bacon: apt-get install apt-file then apt-file search lspci |
| 04:03.49 | secher_ | Hrm.. one sec. |
| 04:04.03 | abrotman | !tell Mmm-Bacon about search |
| 04:04.07 | astronut | pciutils: usr/bin/lspci |
| 04:04.19 | spaceratk | control+f2 doesnt do anything |
| 04:04.27 | astronut | which is better, ACPI or APM/ |
| 04:04.29 | astronut | ?* |
| 04:04.31 | Mmm-Bacon | abrotman: thanks, but i think ive said i tried that |
| 04:04.35 | Mmm-Bacon | astronut: thanks |
| 04:04.44 | secher_ | pciutils apparently. |
| 04:04.44 | abrotman | Mmm-Bacon: you tried packages.debian.org ? |
| 04:04.50 | wang | is there a way to bring up a terminal so he can do some pings ? |
| 04:05.06 | secher_ | Mmm-Bacon, pciutils. |
| 04:05.11 | Mmm-Bacon | abrotman: limited net access, plus i tried apt-cache search which i *thoght* would have ben just as good |
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| 04:05.20 | Mmm-Bacon | secher_: thanks, astronut told me :) |
| 04:05.28 | abrotman | Mmm-Bacon: ok |
| 04:05.36 | secher_ | Oh.. :) wasn't watching. |
| 04:05.49 | Mmm-Bacon | thank you, me love you long time *wink* |
| 04:05.54 | wang | lol |
| 04:05.55 | Mmm-Bacon | ;) |
| 04:06.29 | fbi | ooOOoh. we have a whore from thailand in the house. |
| 04:06.47 | abrotman | fbi: thingfish ? |
| 04:06.47 | wang | vietnam methinks |
| 04:07.00 | fbi | haha |
| 04:07.21 | fbi | thingfish is a thai-whore too? awesome. |
| 04:07.30 | abrotman | fbi: tell dpkg! |
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| 04:07.43 | lorrand | boa noite a todos |
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| 04:08.04 | fbi | !thingfish |
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| 04:08.18 | lorrand | Pessoal tou com um probleminha no debian tipo |
| 04:08.21 | wang | lorrand : tu necessita ayuda en espanol? |
| 04:08.22 | fbi | dpkg thingfish is a thai-whore, according to abrotman |
| 04:08.23 | dpkg | fbi: okay |
| 04:08.25 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:08.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:08.27 | spaceratk | be back in awhile going to try the install from the total start again |
| 04:08.28 | lorrand | quando eu tento mover um arquivo ou apagar aparece a seguinte mensagem este arquivo é somente leitura, e eu como root, o que eu faço |
| 04:08.34 | fbi | dude |
| 04:08.37 | fbi | stop talking that in here |
| 04:08.38 | beardy | !it |
| 04:08.38 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 04:08.41 | abrotman | lorrand: /j #debian-es |
| 04:08.42 | fbi | !tell lorrand about br |
| 04:08.44 | cddesjar | fib: lol |
| 04:08.46 | ecliptik | I don't know what's going on with my apt, but I'm getting this bug (http://lists.debian.org/deity/2003/08/msg00250.html) that looks like it wasn't fixed, any ideas? |
| 04:08.57 | abrotman | oh .. it's portuguese ? |
| 04:09.02 | zinx | looks like br to me |
| 04:09.02 | fbi | i think so... |
| 04:09.04 | abrotman | oh . it is |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | doh! |
| 04:09.11 | abrotman | !br |
| 04:09.12 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:09.24 | numist | !tell numist about udev |
| 04:09.27 | wang | tomato tomato |
| 04:09.28 | cddesjar | abrotman: someone already did that for him...apparently he can write but not read it |
| 04:09.34 | lorrand | dpkg, tanks |
| 04:09.34 | dpkg | hmm... tanks is The panzers are comin for your sorry jewish ass! |
| 04:09.39 | abrotman | cddesjar: i see it and es .. not br |
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| 04:09.44 | abrotman | oh .. ignor eme .. |
| 04:09.56 | cddesjar | no problemo |
| 04:09.58 | cddesjar | mas |
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| 04:10.12 | wang | anyone ever use mozilla-cascades? |
| 04:10.15 | fbi | hahaha |
| 04:10.25 | fbi | that was the best thing i have ever said dpkg say |
| 04:10.29 | abrotman | wang: i heard it won't go in the Tools menu |
| 04:10.30 | beardy | ... |
| 04:10.40 | wang | abrotman : stop trolling! |
| 04:10.46 | beardy | !factinfo tanks |
| 04:10.46 | dpkg | tanks -- created by charon <mordain@p330-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au> at Fri Feb 21 01:41:03 2003 (1014 days); it has been requested 7 times, last by lorrand, 1m 12s ago. |
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| 04:11.26 | cddesjar | wow almost 3 years old and only request 7 times |
| 04:11.42 | abrotman | cddesjar: i'm sure there are others |
| 04:11.42 | astronut | how do you delete it? |
| 04:11.49 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.50 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'tanks?' to forget, astronut |
| 04:11.52 | abrotman | astronut: delete what ? |
| 04:11.55 | astronut | !forget tanks |
| 04:11.55 | abrotman | !forget tanks |
| 04:11.55 | dpkg | i forgot tanks, astronut |
| 04:11.57 | beardy | dpkg: no, tanks is <reply>Perhaps you mean thanks? If so, you're welcome. |
| 04:11.57 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
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| 04:12.09 | astronut | smart bot |
| 04:12.28 | astronut | dpkg -i manners_1.3-2.deb |
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| 04:12.48 | abrotman | heheh |
| 04:12.51 | beardy | :) |
| 04:13.01 | Elly | dpkg, tanks are also what rms and linus will be driving in redmond in a few years |
| 04:13.01 | dpkg | Elly: okay |
| 04:13.23 | fbi | that factoid is probably so fucked right now. |
| 04:13.25 | fbi | !tanks |
| 04:13.26 | dpkg | Perhaps you mean thanks? If so, you're welcome. what rms and linus will be driving in redmond in a few years |
| 04:13.35 | Elly | we should dump the bot's entire database to a file |
| 04:13.40 | Elly | and put it up on debian.org as the FAQ |
| 04:13.40 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 04:13.40 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 04:13.48 | Elly | yes, like that |
| 04:14.02 | Sneaky_Bastard | RMS is the militant |
| 04:14.04 | astronut | dpkg, tanks is <reply>Perhaps you mean thanks? If so, you're welcome. It is also what rms and linus will be driving in redmond in a few years |
| 04:14.04 | dpkg | ...but tanks is already something else... |
| 04:14.09 | Elly | ESR is the militant |
| 04:14.18 | astronut | dpkg, tanks is now <reply>Perhaps you mean thanks? If so, you're welcome. It is also what rms and linus will be driving in redmond in a few years |
| 04:14.18 | dpkg | ...but tanks is already something else... |
| 04:14.20 | Sneaky_Bastard | Linus will just stay at home manufacturing ammunition for the war |
| 04:14.22 | Elly | RMS is a sort of low-key hippy guy |
| 04:14.25 | astronut | !forget tanks |
| 04:14.25 | dpkg | astronut: i forgot tanks |
| 04:14.26 | Sneaky_Bastard | (kernel updates) |
| 04:14.26 | astronut | dpkg, tanks is now <reply>Perhaps you mean thanks? If so, you're welcome. It is also what rms and linus will be driving in redmond in a few years |
| 04:14.29 | abrotman | astronut: your bot fu sucks |
| 04:14.34 | astronut | is there a better way to overwrite it? |
| 04:14.38 | astronut | of course, my exposure is limited |
| 04:14.40 | abrotman | dpkg, tanks is <reply>Perhaps you mean thanks? If so, you're welcome. It is also what rms and linus will be driving in redmond in a few years |
| 04:14.40 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 04:14.40 | jbroome | in a /msg |
| 04:14.49 | fbi | yeah, don't use <reply> when you just wiped the factoid. |
| 04:14.51 | beardy | astronut: Please learn, or ask how to do it before doing it. |
| 04:14.51 | abrotman | everyone happy ? |
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| 04:14.59 | abrotman | fbi: you can |
| 04:15.04 | Sneaky_Bastard | ok, well ESR can drive a linux-powered tank onto Redmond campus gunning for billg, if he wants |
| 04:15.05 | astronut | sorry |
| 04:15.05 | Donno459 | hmm just realised by the time i get all this floopy disk to work/loaded i could have just erased and burnt the netinstall iso :( |
| 04:15.06 | fbi | there is no <reply> if you just did !forget |
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| 04:15.29 | D-menT | buenas |
| 04:15.30 | abrotman | fbi: you can say "dpkg blah is <reply>crap" |
| 04:15.30 | IndustrialUser | rully |
| 04:15.36 | Sneaky_Bastard | BTW, it's clearly marked in Google Earth :p |
| 04:15.44 | fbi | abrotman: yes but doesn't it use the original <reply> ? |
| 04:15.45 | Sneaky_Bastard | anyone here able to hack orbital platforms ? |
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| 04:15.58 | Sneaky_Bastard | maybe we could deorbit a satellite so it falls on his house ? |
| 04:16.05 | Sneaky_Bastard | (that's also marked on Google Earth) |
| 04:16.06 | abrotman | fbi: yeah .. but astronut was trying to replace the factoid .. and forgot the no blah is blah |
| 04:16.09 | Elly | Sneaky_Bastard: I can do the orbital laser platforms if you want |
| 04:16.15 | fbi | ah. |
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| 04:16.18 | Sneaky_Bastard | aren't any up there |
| 04:16.22 | fbi | well that was mind boggling. |
| 04:16.24 | Sneaky_Bastard | have to work with what we got |
| 04:16.29 | Elly | what do we got? |
| 04:16.34 | fbi | i need a ibuprofen after that. |
| 04:16.37 | Elly | how many LinuxSats are up there? |
| 04:16.40 | doleyb | you should search news.google.com for lockheed+redhawk+thaad |
| 04:16.41 | Sneaky_Bastard | no no |
| 04:16.45 | abrotman | fbi: how about a joint ? :) |
| 04:16.50 | Sneaky_Bastard | they are WinCE satellites |
| 04:16.53 | Sneaky_Bastard | should be trivial to hack |
| 04:16.54 | Elly | ah |
| 04:16.56 | Elly | hehe |
| 04:16.57 | fbi | ibufrofen is code word for weed. |
| 04:17.00 | Elly | WinME satellites :D |
| 04:17.00 | abrotman | doleyb: or read slashdot? :) |
| 04:17.01 | fbi | god dammit |
| 04:17.57 | Donno459 | great dead floopy Disk :( |
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| 04:19.12 | beardy | at what? |
| 04:19.16 | fbi | AOL floppies? they send me CDs |
| 04:19.23 | fbi | crash3m_: you must live in a ghetto |
| 04:19.26 | fbi | later abrotman |
| 04:19.26 | jbroome | i get punch cards |
| 04:19.29 | ecliptik | is there anyway to update your sources besides apt-get update? |
| 04:19.35 | crash3m_ | fbi: no, I just kept them from '93 |
| 04:19.39 | HarddisK | salut |
| 04:19.40 | jbroome | aptitude update |
| 04:19.45 | beardy | ecliptik: aptitude update |
| 04:19.46 | HarddisK | vreun roman care ma poate ajuta si pe mine? |
| 04:19.48 | De_Mon | ecliptik huh? |
| 04:19.56 | numist | yo tengo problemo |
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| 04:20.12 | numist | including the fact that I was scrolled way up |
| 04:20.12 | ecliptik | De_Mon, apt-get update segfaults for me, so I want to try something else |
| 04:20.14 | wang | hi |
| 04:20.15 | numist | hrm |
| 04:20.18 | Donno459 | lol |
| 04:20.30 | De_Mon | ecliptik yikes! |
| 04:20.41 | ecliptik | aptitude update segfaults as well |
| 04:20.47 | beardy | ecliptik: Running unstable? Mixing sources? Not running Debian? |
| 04:20.55 | ecliptik | no, it's just normal sarge |
| 04:21.02 | De_Mon | they are both frontends to.. something i forget |
| 04:21.12 | crash3m_ | dpkg |
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| 04:21.19 | ecliptik | nothing special, it's my parents computer so it's just basic progs |
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| 04:21.56 | ecliptik | crash3m, can you use dpkg to get updates from sources? |
| 04:22.05 | De_Mon | man. I know how good parents are at breaking windows computers, but LINUX TOO? |
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| 04:22.20 | crash3m_ | dunno heh, my debian laptops not on and i'm too damn lazy to go get it |
| 04:22.39 | crash3m_ | s/laptops/laptop is/ |
| 04:22.44 | ecliptik | De_Mon, yeah, it's a limited XFCE session that just opens up Firefox when it boots up, and that's about all they use |
| 04:22.54 | beardy | ecliptik: Well, this sounds very strange. Do you let them run as root? |
| 04:23.09 | De_Mon | ecliptik dpkg is for managing debs not downloading updatated package lists |
| 04:23.09 | ecliptik | beardy, no, it's a regular user account |
| 04:23.45 | ecliptik | this bug has happened before, but it wasn't fixed, http://lists.debian.org/deity/2003/08/msg00250.html |
| 04:23.46 | De_Mon | if you still have old debs from before this problem started happening you could try to dpkg downgrade whatever broke apt/aptitude |
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| 04:24.02 | a1fa|64 | ~ntpd |
| 04:24.03 | apt | somebody said ntpd was network time protocol daemon. Automatically keeps your system time current per one or more network timeservers. Very accurate. |
| 04:24.14 | a1fa|64 | what package is ntpd part off? |
| 04:24.26 | ecliptik | De_Mon, nothing is really broke (I did do a force update of firefox since wellsfargo broke somehow with 1.0) I just can't do security updates, etc |
| 04:24.32 | cddesjar | !start a beer war |
| 04:25.10 | beardy | a1fa|64: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:25.12 | De_Mon | ecliptik are you on ppc? |
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| 04:25.44 | ecliptik | De_Mon, no it's an AMD Duron |
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| 04:26.12 | De_Mon | the bug you posted "doesn't happen on i386" |
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| 04:26.22 | ecliptik | De_Mon, well it does now, haha |
| 04:26.29 | numist | !udevsmite |
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| 04:26.41 | numist | aw |
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| 04:29.05 | ecliptik | well I guess I'll just deal with the seg faults until I can get them a new HD and do a re-install |
| 04:29.08 | ecliptik | thanks for your help |
| 04:29.22 | Donno459 | there is a God. Net Driver Floopy Worked that tiem |
| 04:29.22 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: what exactly is segfaulting? |
| 04:29.43 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: is apt-get segfaulting? is dpkg? or is something that is being called segfaulting? |
| 04:30.20 | Donno459 | yaah jackpot my ISPS mirror is on the LIst yah |
| 04:30.21 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, I believe it's apt-get update, or whatever apt-get update calls when it does it's Packages updates |
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| 04:30.58 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, aptitude update does the same thing, and when I run an update from dselect I get a message similiar to this: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2003/08/msg00250.html |
| 04:31.02 | ecliptik | but I'm no on ppc |
| 04:31.48 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: and you removed the bin files? did you remove all of the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? |
| 04:33.09 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: the output of strace apt-get update; will also be useful. |
| 04:33.17 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, still does the same thing |
| 04:37.22 | ecliptik | what's the pastebot address again? |
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| 04:39.20 | ecliptik | nm, found it |
| 04:39.38 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1197 |
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| 04:40.54 | a1fa|64 | how do you force ntp to resynch? |
| 04:41.25 | De_Mon | ntpdate works |
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| 04:46.19 | `9m4re` | i set res server in my source.list: security.debian.org sarge/update |
| 04:46.50 | `9m4re` | but i can't found kdvelop package in there ? did i have any misstake ? |
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| 04:47.59 | a1fa|64 | De_Mon: np |
| 04:48.06 | a1fa|64 | no... it wont resynch by it self |
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| 04:50.54 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: find /var/lib/apt/lists -type f -not -iname lock|xargs rm -f; and try again. |
| 04:51.46 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: if that gives you the same error, wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.5.28.6_i386.deb; dpkg -i apt_0.5.28.6_i386.deb; and try again. |
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| 04:52.59 | Debian_freak | how I can repair my interrogation:: |
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| 04:53.21 | internat | so ive never used grub before and apparently its the default loader in testing.. so.. ive just downloaded and compiled a new kernel source, but grub isnt booting it |
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| 04:55.20 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, still getting the same thing |
| 04:55.26 | Donno459 | praying that Debain (net install) doesn't downlaod stuff from anywhere else minus the Mirror i specify :P |
| 04:56.23 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: even after reinstalling apt? |
| 04:57.00 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, unfortunately yes |
| 04:57.23 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, update-menus.real seg faults as well (I had to move it so the postinst scripts wouldn't hang) |
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| 04:57.53 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: hrm... try reinstalling libc6 then. |
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| 04:58.35 | ecliptik | dondelellcaro, would getting the lastest sarge .deb and doing an install with it mess anything up? |
| 04:58.47 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: nope. |
| 04:58.53 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: or at least, it's not supposed to. |
| 04:58.56 | mhall | Salutations. What are the c2a libraries I'm seeing in sid now? |
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| 04:59.03 | selfcontr0l | anyone know of a way to make the pc speaker NOT beep when (for instance) hitting backspace at begining of line on an xterm |
| 04:59.19 | mhall | selfcontr0l: try /etc/inputrc |
| 04:59.23 | selfcontr0l | or at all for that matter... |
| 04:59.27 | kjm | selfcontr0l : unplug the speaker? |
| 04:59.32 | selfcontr0l | i'm about to! |
| 04:59.35 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, I'll give it a shot |
| 04:59.41 | selfcontr0l | just didn't wanna have to get down there and unplug everything |
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| 04:59.48 | mhall | selfcontr0l: i think in 2.6 you can disable the speaker's driver too |
| 04:59.51 | mhall | selfcontr0l: let me peek |
| 04:59.57 | selfcontr0l | mhall: what would i be looking for in inputrc? |
| 05:00.03 | grendal_prime | hey its been awile..someone refresh my memory |
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| 05:00.05 | kjm | earplugs would be the inverse solution. |
| 05:00.19 | grendal_prime | what the hell do i need to do to get my wireless card working..pcmcia |
| 05:00.22 | grendal_prime | hotplug |
| 05:00.24 | grendal_prime | and..... |
| 05:00.26 | doleyb | !bell |
| 05:00.26 | dpkg | bell is, like, "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 05:00.29 | mhall | selfcontr0l: CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR |
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| 05:00.34 | numist | haha I win! |
| 05:00.36 | rvalles | hi~ |
| 05:00.44 | rvalles | which package is "procinfo" in? |
| 05:00.53 | mhall | selfcontr0l: the set bell-style none should prevent shell from making beeps when you do stuff it does not like |
| 05:00.54 | crash3m_ | wpasupplicant? |
| 05:01.01 | kjm | grendal_prime : ndiswrapper |
| 05:01.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell rvalles -about search |
| 05:01.07 | mhall | !tell rvalles about pdo |
| 05:01.10 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/procinfo |
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| 05:01.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:01.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/procinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/procinfo) in utils/sysutils. |
| 05:02.12 | rvalles | cool. |
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| 05:02.26 | selfcontr0l | ok found that in etc/inputrc change is immediate? or when is that file loaded? |
| 05:02.28 | selfcontr0l | on boot? |
| 05:02.34 | mhall | selfcontr0l: log out log in |
| 05:02.46 | mhall | selfcontr0l: it might be make new xterm |
| 05:02.52 | grendal_prime | kjm, what exactly does that do again |
| 05:02.58 | mhall | selfcontr0l: i usually set it up during install before running X |
| 05:03.06 | mhall | selfcontr0l: so i'm not totally sure. let me try. |
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| 05:03.14 | kjm | grendal_prime : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:03.14 | grendal_prime | i dont remember...you konw i built this laptop over a year ago...and it has never failed |
| 05:03.23 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, even after re-install libc6 it segfaults (got 5 sources instead of only 1 though) |
| 05:03.30 | grendal_prime | well its a kernel module..i need to reboot the machine right? |
| 05:03.45 | selfcontr0l | mhall: yeah i'm still learning the config files and load order of them...still confused about which files are global and which files are personal |
| 05:04.13 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: ok, remove all of your sources save for the debian stable one, find /var/lib/apt/lists -type f -not -iname lock|xargs rm -f; and try again. |
| 05:04.20 | selfcontr0l | mhall: so the /etc folder has global user settings? |
| 05:04.31 | kjm | grendal_prime : I don't know - I've never installed it....I'm use a G5 PPC linux on a wired network |
| 05:04.34 | rvalles | wow, december already |
| 05:04.38 | mhall | selfcontr0l: yes, your version is ~/.inputrc |
| 05:04.41 | rvalles | the year went by like nothing. |
| 05:04.45 | mhall | rvalles: oh yeah it is huh |
| 05:04.45 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: modprobed module, no. modprobe -r the old one, and install the new one |
| 05:05.04 | mhall | the tail end of this year blows big donkey cock for me |
| 05:05.06 | grendal_prime | seems to be the right thing though |
| 05:05.08 | mhall | all of it since august |
| 05:05.15 | grendal_prime | thanks kjm |
| 05:05.17 | selfcontr0l | mhall: so the /etc one loads at boot and ~'s loads when you run a xterm? |
| 05:05.28 | kjm | grendal_prime : if that won't get your wireless card working, I think nothing would. |
| 05:05.31 | kjm | Cheers |
| 05:05.38 | mhall | selfcontr0l: i think the etc loads at login, or maybe when you start a shell |
| 05:05.49 | mhall | selfcontr0l: the key idea is that yours loads after etc's |
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| 05:05.55 | mhall | selfcontr0l: so you can override what you don't like |
| 05:06.26 | selfcontr0l | ic...kind of like the /etc one is for everyone's default setting.....gotcha |
| 05:06.36 | mhall | selfcontr0l: ok found it |
| 05:07.05 | mhall | selfcontr0l: When a program which uses the readline library starts up, the init file is read, and the key bindings and variables are set. |
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| 05:07.42 | selfcontr0l | so every program that uses that library reads the /etc/inputrc? |
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| 05:07.54 | mhall | selfcontr0l: yeah the readline library |
| 05:08.02 | mhall | selfcontr0l: then it reads your inputrc |
| 05:08.17 | mhall | selfcontr0l: there's another one like it for shells: /etc/profile |
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| 05:08.58 | mhall | dimm0k: yoyo |
| 05:09.11 | selfcontr0l | ok i'm gonna try and let that sink in |
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| 05:10.16 | cparker | Hello all.... I screwed around with root's .profile and .bash_profile files, and overwrite .profile with .bash_profile, so now root's $PATH is all screwed up... does anybody have an original .profile for root under Debian Sarge? I just need the original $PATH line.... |
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| 05:11.17 | mhall | cparker: hmm, tricky one |
| 05:11.20 | anarcat | i feel this is a stupid question, but i'll try my luck anyways... i just upgraded to sid (yeah, i know) and my usb mouse suddenly stopped working |
| 05:11.21 | mhall | cparker: let me see what i can do |
| 05:11.27 | anarcat | i get this: |
| 05:11.28 | anarcat | # env -i strings /dev/input/mice |
| 05:11.28 | anarcat | strings: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
| 05:11.38 | anarcat | this used to work fine in sarge |
| 05:11.47 | cparker | mhall: Cool, thanks. |
| 05:11.49 | mhall | cparker: this one seems to work for me |
| 05:11.50 | anarcat | still have the same kernel (a custom 2.4) |
| 05:11.51 | mhall | cparker: export PATH=~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 05:12.01 | anarcat | what path should I take for debugging? |
| 05:12.05 | mhall | cparker: it's put into bashrc btw |
| 05:12.07 | cparker | Woohoo! Thanks a lot. |
| 05:12.11 | mhall | cparker: cause profile only executes on login |
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| 05:12.17 | cparker | Really... huh. okay |
| 05:12.31 | mhall | cparker: one sec lemme verify |
| 05:12.34 | cparker | I did a dist-upgrade from Woody... does that make any difference? |
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| 05:13.15 | mhall | cparker: When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if these files exist. |
| 05:13.24 | mhall | cparker: from man bash |
| 05:13.27 | mhall | cparker: so that confirms it |
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| 05:13.54 | anarcat | no idea here? |
| 05:14.07 | belracu | Y do people develop applications (GPL and related opensource application) to windows platform |
| 05:14.11 | mhall | anarcat: i have to try it first |
| 05:14.22 | anarcat | mhall, try the upgrade? |
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| 05:14.25 | anarcat | or the usb mouse? :) |
| 05:14.28 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, I couldn't try those suggestions you just mentioned cause the IP of the host changed and I don't have a way of logging in now |
| 05:14.37 | ecliptik | I'll try them out tomorrow though, thanks for all your help |
| 05:14.42 | mhall | anarcat: what is it supposed to do? |
| 05:14.46 | belracu | i think support and developement time should be fouced more to open source applications |
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| 05:15.03 | agnes | hey all.. |
| 05:15.09 | mhall | belracu: It is more focused on free OSes. |
| 05:15.20 | anarcat | mhall, hmmm... something more like "nothing" |
| 05:15.20 | belracu | yes that is true |
| 05:15.35 | anarcat | e.g. strings /dev/psaux will open the device and print basically nothing |
| 05:15.35 | mhall | belracu: But well written code can run on many OSes. Also some developers are forced to use Windows by jobs, etc. |
| 05:15.36 | belracu | mhall, i agree but y on to microsoft |
| 05:15.38 | mhall | belracu: I was. |
| 05:15.39 | agnes | quite stupidly, I picked the wrong drive for a linux install, and it ended up reformatting the wrong drive (3 ext3 partitions). Is there any way to get it back? Or should I just move on? |
| 05:15.53 | belracu | mhall, yes that is true |
| 05:15.54 | anarcat | since mice have a tendency to send control characters |
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| 05:15.57 | mhall | agnes: ! what did you lose |
| 05:16.10 | mhall | anarcat: Ah now I get it. |
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| 05:16.11 | anarcat | i have a strong feeling that this might be related to udev or something |
| 05:16.18 | mhall | anarcat: What's the goal of the command? |
| 05:16.23 | belracu | but microsoft is always trying to defame opensource based applications and developers |
| 05:16.24 | mhall | anarcat: And what happens when you run it? |
| 05:16.29 | anarcat | well |
| 05:16.38 | anarcat | the goal is to find if there is a mice at all |
| 05:16.39 | agnes | mhall: all my music and movies (can be restored). Lots of emails since my last backup (2 months worth; can't be restored) and photos since my last backup (can't be restored). |
| 05:16.40 | mhall | anarcat: When I try it on my non-udev 2.6.xx it sits there waiting for non-ctrl chars. |
| 05:16.43 | anarcat | since Xorg just craps on it |
| 05:16.48 | mhall | anarcat: Which sounds like what it is supposed to do. |
| 05:16.52 | anarcat | yep |
| 05:16.55 | agnes | It's not completely tragic, but if it takes me 5-10 hours to recover and it's possible to recover, I'm willing to do it. |
| 05:16.55 | belracu | My company got a dell server powerfull enough to install subversion |
| 05:16.55 | mhall | agnes: oh my god |
| 05:17.06 | mhall | agnes: let's see |
| 05:17.21 | mhall | belracu: Mine made me use Windows because it was the corporate standard. |
| 05:17.31 | anarcat | mhall, you're on sid? |
| 05:17.32 | mhall | belracu: Without open source tools I would have been BEYOND screwed. |
| 05:17.34 | belracu | so they implement on win2k :( this piss some of the developers as they replace linux sever running svn |
| 05:17.37 | mhall | anarcat: That's right :-). |
| 05:17.51 | belracu | hehe corporate standard .. who has decided that |
| 05:18.07 | anarcat | hmm |
| 05:18.09 | mhall | belracu: Very angry inflexible businesspersons in New York had decided it. |
| 05:18.17 | anarcat | i guess I should reboot in 2.6... |
| 05:18.21 | belracu | then y dont all corporates use windows for there servers :P |
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| 05:18.32 | belracu | Newyork ... who cares ... world is big |
| 05:18.33 | mhall | belracu: Since I was in Washington and did not have a travel budget, it was not in my realm of possibilities to lart them. |
| 05:18.41 | agnes | One question: what happens when a partition is "formatted" for ext3? Does it kill the data? or just mess up the partition? |
| 05:19.00 | mhall | belracu: So I was stuck with what they picked even though it was stupid. |
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| 05:19.18 | ircleuser | hi |
| 05:19.22 | mhall | agnes: Well... the problem is you write inodes and journal files. |
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| 05:19.27 | belracu | yes ... i agree but i was admin 2 years before |
| 05:19.39 | anarcat | agnes, short answer, it kills the data |
| 05:19.40 | agnes | mhall? huh? |
| 05:19.51 | belracu | and i spent a lot of time managing windows systems compared to linux/bsd |
| 05:19.53 | mhall | agnes: When you make the ext3. You write stuff on the drive. |
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| 05:20.03 | void79 | heya... can anyone help me with a debian installation prob? |
| 05:20.05 | mhall | agnes: Writing stuff onto it overwrites what was on it. |
| 05:20.06 | agnes | anarcat: so, is it impossible to recover data? |
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| 05:20.15 | kjm | agnes : he means you kill the journal that stores locations of data |
| 05:20.15 | anarcat | agnes, not exactly, but it's hard |
| 05:20.16 | agnes | mhall: Presumably nothing has been written. |
| 05:20.24 | dondelelcaro | void79: just ask. |
| 05:20.31 | mhall | agnes: Did you catch yourself before formatting? |
| 05:20.37 | agnes | anarcat: And things like "Stellar phoenix" which claim to restore this? |
| 05:20.42 | anarcat | dunno about this |
| 05:20.45 | mhall | agnes: Or did you just rewrite the partition table? |
| 05:20.45 | anarcat | but there are tools |
| 05:20.59 | agnes | mhall: It was part of the install process.. it rewrote the partition and reformatted |
| 05:21.06 | void79 | well, im having a bunch of really frustrating problems... |
| 05:21.07 | anarcat | ouch |
| 05:21.24 | mhall | agnes: Right. You are not going to be able to do much without a disk repair tool. That might not even do much. |
| 05:21.32 | mhall | agnes: Vast majority of them do not support Linuxx. |
| 05:21.37 | agnes | OK, can y'all recommend some tools? |
| 05:21.38 | mhall | s/Linuxx/Linux/g |
| 05:21.50 | agnes | "Stellar phoenix" comes up with regularity (it supports linux) |
| 05:22.02 | mhall | agnes: I only know a tool for fixing partition table, not getting back data. |
| 05:22.04 | kjm | agnes : why did you start an install process b4 backing up data? |
| 05:22.16 | mhall | kjm: he already knows he fucked up |
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| 05:22.25 | mhall | kjm: probably don't need to rub it in |
| 05:22.32 | agnes | kjm: It was meant to be on a different drive. |
| 05:22.44 | kingsley | void79: I suggest simply posting one of the installation problems here. Maybe someone can help. |
| 05:22.51 | kjm | mhall : sry, thought was innocent question - didn't mean to kick you while you're down. |
| 05:22.54 | void79 | i have a debian business card cd that i just burned, and it wont boot.. i have a gentoo cd, it will boot.. and when it loads the keyboard wont work.. i also have a xandros cd, and it will boot, and the keyboard will work, but it comes up with an error saying "cannot create swap" |
| 05:22.54 | agnes | My brilliant plan was to install to the empty drive. |
| 05:23.01 | mhall | kjm: no; not me, him |
| 05:23.21 | void79 | so i was wondering if anyone knew a way to bring a computer to life.. cause i wanna kill mine |
| 05:23.25 | kjm | grammar prob there.....I am guilty of asking the obvious |
| 05:23.27 | mhall | kjm: i was just making the point that he seemed to have demonstrated that he knew he was in error |
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| 05:23.39 | mhall | void79: hmm |
| 05:24.04 | mhall | kjm: also i think i overreacted to what you said |
| 05:24.19 | mhall | kjm: i'm used to mwilson who does this to be evil |
| 05:24.25 | mhall | kjm: i keep forgetting he was banned |
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| 05:24.42 | kjm | lol, well I'll try not to turn into him. |
| 05:24.43 | kingsley | void79: Since this channel focuses on debian, I suggest focusing on that install. |
| 05:24.49 | nile | how can i speak to someone about claiming a nick? |
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| 05:25.06 | mhall | nile: yours is registered in nickserv? |
| 05:25.06 | Sneaky_Bastard | you don't |
| 05:25.10 | kingsley | void79: |
| 05:25.23 | nile | no, i whowas and no one show up |
| 05:25.23 | void79 | well, that one is simple... i have tried all sorts of bios settings, and it just simply wont boot |
| 05:25.32 | nile | mhall: ^ |
| 05:25.41 | kingsley | void79: What's the last message you see while trying to use the debian cd? |
| 05:25.51 | mhall | nile: alright then what you can do is /msg nickserv hello |
| 05:25.58 | mhall | nile: or /msg nickserv help |
| 05:26.06 | mhall | nile: after you have changed into this nick you want |
| 05:26.09 | madradrone | mhall: mwilson was banned? |
| 05:26.09 | DrBop_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.18 | vasundhar | Andrew Cowie |
| 05:26.19 | vasundhar | Operational Dynamics Just finished his talk at http://foss.in |
| 05:26.20 | mhall | nile: this will allow you to claim it for yourself |
| 05:26.28 | mhall | vasundhar: ? |
| 05:26.32 | mhall | madradrone: yes |
| 05:26.39 | vasundhar | mhall ...? |
| 05:26.43 | mhall | madradrone: it appears on kingsley's page |
| 05:26.52 | mhall | vasundhar: wtf has that got to do with anything |
| 05:27.11 | vasundhar | Andrew cowie , finished his talk Just an update ... from foss.in India |
| 05:27.38 | vasundhar | Because its all our world there , |
| 05:27.39 | mhall | vasundhar: ah alright, what's operational dynamics? |
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| 05:27.49 | agnes | http://stellarinfo.com/esupport/users/kb.php?id=10122&category_id=11&sid2= |
| 05:27.53 | void79 | kingsley: it says Error loading operating system |
| 05:27.53 | mhall | vasundhar: i was just trying to understand what you said :-) |
| 05:27.58 | agnes | they seem to be able to do what I need.. |
| 05:28.06 | void79 | wich is the same thing it says if there is no cd in the drive |
| 05:28.11 | kingsley | void79: Is that the exact syntax of the message? |
| 05:28.22 | nile | mhall: it says registered |
| 05:28.36 | Flimzy | I am trying to migrate from one HD to another... how do I get grub installed on the new drive? |
| 05:28.57 | void79 | yep... completely blank black screen with "Error loading operating system" |
| 05:29.41 | mhall | nile: hmm, already registered, or it registered it to you |
| 05:29.45 | void79 | you`ll get a ton of results .. mostly to do with changing bios settings |
| 05:29.55 | mhall | nile: i've kept mine registered for so long i sorta forgot what to do :-) |
| 05:30.09 | nile | mhall: not registered, but was curious if its been abandoned |
| 05:30.10 | agnes | hahaha! this "recover linux information" file is in a windows executable format : ) |
| 05:30.27 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: grub-install will do it. |
| 05:30.50 | mhall | nile: i'm not following you man |
| 05:30.53 | mhall | agnes: :-D |
| 05:30.59 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro, thank you very much |
| 05:31.00 | mhall | agnes: like i said, support isn't real good |
| 05:31.20 | mhall | agnes: might consider using something like gmail pop to keep your email stored safely |
| 05:31.20 | kingsley | void79: Have you tried using a different fdisk? |
| 05:31.35 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: also, if that doesn't have the options you need, you can use the grub shell, with device, root, and setup. |
| 05:31.37 | void79 | i cant use any fdisk |
| 05:31.49 | void79 | i never get to a point where i can type anything in |
| 05:31.49 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: but that's decidedly more complex. |
| 05:31.50 | elenute | geros dienos |
| 05:31.57 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I just need to get grub installed on the MBR |
| 05:32.03 | kingsley | void79: Is the debian CD an "install" CD, as opposed to a "live" CD? |
| 05:32.06 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yeah, grub-install will do that. |
| 05:32.15 | mhall | !tell me about latvian |
| 05:32.26 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: grub-install /dev/sda, I presume.. just like w/ LILO? |
| 05:32.38 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yes. |
| 05:32.46 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 05:32.49 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: perhaps with a --root-directory if that needs to be specified. |
| 05:32.55 | Flimzy | it says sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive |
| 05:32.58 | Flimzy | WTF is that? |
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| 05:33.13 | kingsley | void79: I need to go soon. |
| 05:33.33 | mhall | elenute: sorry man we haven't got latvian channel or mailing list |
| 05:33.35 | M_Cheevy | anyone played with debootstrap installs? having a little problem with one of the steps in the manual... |
| 05:33.37 | mhall | elenute: i just checked |
| 05:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: heh. |
| 05:33.50 | elenute | lithuanian |
| 05:33.55 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: just ask your question. |
| 05:33.58 | mhall | elenute: hmm let me see if we have that |
| 05:33.58 | Flimzy | Maybe I should go back to frickin' lilo |
| 05:34.00 | void79 | its the live install.. it is supposed to install just enough to get your network running and download the rest and install as it goes |
| 05:34.03 | Flimzy | I understand lilo |
| 05:34.10 | elenute | sorry for amsg . thats xchat's problem . need to rewrite thay script |
| 05:34.38 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: anyway, if that doesn't work, run grub; then device (hd0) /dev/sda; root (hd0,0); setup(hd0); |
| 05:34.57 | mhall | elenute: no sorry no lithuanian either |
| 05:34.58 | M_Cheevy | using debootstrap, when I get to the point of apt-get'ing a kernel-image all of them fail due to initrd issues... specifically a message about /dev/fd not being found..., I've taken no other steps except those described in the manual |
| 05:35.04 | belracu | Finally i think porting opensource apps for windows is bad and senceless Job |
| 05:35.06 | elenute | it was : "have a nice day" :) . im out |
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| 05:35.11 | mhall | elenute: ah lol |
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| 05:35.15 | mhall | elenute: now i get it ;-) |
| 05:35.32 | cddesjar | do you guys know if it's possible to get an iso of buzz? |
| 05:35.33 | mhall | elenute: assumed you were looking for unix help |
| 05:35.41 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: debootstrap doesn't install a kernel... but if you want to install one, you probably will need to cd /dev; MAKEDEV fd0; |
| 05:35.42 | M_Cheevy | don: question implied there was wtf??? has it been a while since that section of the manual was updated? |
| 05:35.43 | cddesjar | it would be fun to try to install it on a computer i got here |
| 05:35.45 | kingsley | void79: Have you considered using a "live" CD, like knoppix for example, to try to diagnose what's wrong? It boots from the CD, and has tools, like fdisk, to diagnose and fix many, many, problems. |
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| 05:35.51 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Okees... that didn't give any errors. I'll see if it works. And in the meantime, I'll search for a grub howto |
| 05:36.02 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: which manual are you talking about? |
| 05:36.15 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: and which version of Debian are you installing? |
| 05:36.25 | M_Cheevy | dondel: the debian sarge install manual section on using debootstrap (installing to unix) |
| 05:36.34 | M_Cheevy | don: sarge |
| 05:36.43 | void79 | yes, i have a gentoo live cd, which boots and loads up good, then no keyboard |
| 05:36.50 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: nb, my name is 'dondelelcaro'... a decent irc client will tab complete it. |
| 05:37.05 | kingsley | void79: Although many "live" linux CDs are available, my understanding is that knoppix enjoys a relatively good reputation for auto detecting hardware. |
| 05:37.11 | dondelelcaro | void79: try booting with noacpi for starters. |
| 05:37.21 | M_Cheevy | don: sorry, old habits die hard, started with bitnet relay chat, clients then barely did anything |
| 05:37.23 | void79 | ah, ok |
| 05:37.35 | M_Cheevy | er dondelelcaro |
| 05:37.40 | dondelelcaro | void79: assuming you actually get to the isolinux prompt. If you don't, something is wrong with your image. |
| 05:38.02 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: can you give me a link to the installer manual? |
| 05:38.08 | mhall | M_Cheevy: lol |
| 05:38.11 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: sorry if that annoyed you, got the habit.. sure link coming up |
| 05:38.21 | mhall | M_Cheevy: my professors won't use tab in their shells |
| 05:38.22 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: nah, it's just that it doesn't hilight if you don't type enough of it. |
| 05:38.31 | M_Cheevy | mhall: take it you know bitnet relay chat |
| 05:38.32 | mhall | M_Cheevy: drives me nuts watchin em type |
| 05:38.54 | mhall | M_Cheevy: nope too young for bitnet; i'm 21 and logged on back in 1990 or 1991 |
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| 05:39.21 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro, well that got grub installed (cool!). But the kernel panics... guess I need to tell it where the new root fs is |
| 05:39.36 | mhall | M_Cheevy: also reminds me of my old coworkers at last job who refused to use bash |
| 05:39.39 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: cool. just give it options in the grub prompt... |
| 05:39.40 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 05:39.45 | mhall | M_Cheevy: so they used ksh and typed out everything |
| 05:39.54 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Is it as simple as root=/dev/sda1 like in lilo? |
| 05:39.56 | mhall | M_Cheevy: and our filenames had like 80 chars much of the time |
| 05:40.00 | M_Cheevy | mhall: some of us old dudes, have old habits... I'm still hip to learning new tricks |
| 05:40.01 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: pretty much, yeah. |
| 05:40.02 | mhall | M_Cheevy: it hurt my eyes |
| 05:40.19 | kingsley | void79: Since you get furthest with the live gentoo CD, you might want to ask on #gentoo how to diagnose why the keyboard doesn't work. Perhaps gentoo allows one to access diagnostic information with just the mouse. |
| 05:40.23 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: e, then arrow down to the kernel line, then e, add root=/dev/sda1, then enter, and b to boot. |
| 05:40.36 | M_Cheevy | mhall: started on the net in 85 |
| 05:40.46 | mhall | M_Cheevy: yeah i wasn't implying you were behind the times or anything, i just thought it was a funny reminder of some past experiences |
| 05:40.51 | litage | if you setup an ssh tunnel from box1:123 to box2:456, will udp packets destined for box1:123 be sent to box2:456 ? |
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| 05:41.01 | mhall | M_Cheevy: yeah 85 is pretty old-school |
| 05:41.09 | M_Cheevy | mhall: no worries, no offense taken, I earned my stripes ;) |
| 05:41.12 | void79 | k, sounds good... thanks for the help.. time for a mood stabalizer and a nap |
| 05:41.13 | mhall | M_Cheevy: by the time i got started they were shutting down gopher, etc. :-) |
| 05:41.30 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: cool; could you give me the exact error message you got? |
| 05:41.32 | M_Cheevy | missed out on archie and veronica then.... |
| 05:41.38 | mhall | M_Cheevy: luckily though i still had to use shell, zmodem, some of it |
| 05:41.44 | mhall | M_Cheevy: no i did use archie a little bit |
| 05:41.47 | M_Cheevy | one sec don... as that system isn't working, I'm ircing on winxp |
| 05:42.03 | mhall | M_Cheevy: and i swore by zmodem, because it was so fast compared to ppp |
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| 05:42.11 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: cool, just will need it to double check here as to what exactly it's doing. |
| 05:42.30 | mhall | M_Cheevy: now i'm on like 80mbit fiber |
| 05:42.47 | mhall | M_Cheevy: and i can download from good servers at 1.5 _megabytes_ per sec, haha |
| 05:42.48 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: the output of COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii; and ls -l /dev/; will also be useful. [use channels.debian.net/paste] |
| 05:43.11 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yeah mos. def. paste ;-) that's huge output |
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| 05:43.59 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: gives me some bull about using initrd.. then coughs up: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists! / Try mounting the proc filesystem: / Failed to create the initrd image. |
| 05:44.39 | M_Cheevy | remember, I'm in a chroot |
| 05:44.51 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: oh... you missed mount -t proc proc /proc; |
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| 05:45.10 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: or you're on a unix that doesn't have a proc. |
| 05:45.16 | mhall | M_Cheevy: mount -t proc /proc |
| 05:45.21 | M_Cheevy | let us pray |
| 05:45.25 | dondelelcaro | proc proc proc proc proc. |
| 05:45.34 | mhall | M_Cheevy: it works i did it before when making a knoppix disc |
| 05:46.15 | Seba | need help to share internet connection!!!! |
| 05:46.29 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro, I think that works... aside from the fact that I think my SATA drivers are modular... so I still can't mount the root partition. |
| 05:46.37 | dondelelcaro | Seba: lose the excess punctuation. Install debian, then install ipmasq. |
| 05:46.39 | M_Cheevy | the crap I'm having to go through to get dmraid to work!!!! |
| 05:46.49 | ongeboren | how do I compile and make the package from the source i get from apt-get source ? i forgot the keyword i had to ask the dpkg bot from this channel.. |
| 05:46.50 | dondelelcaro | dmraid? |
| 05:46.56 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy, what is dmraid? |
| 05:47.00 | M_Cheevy | nope, same f*cking error |
| 05:47.02 | mhall | dondelelcaro: nice answer to Seba ;-) |
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| 05:47.14 | mhall | M_Cheevy: you kingsleyfied your swear word |
| 05:47.30 | mhall | ongeboren: hey i can help |
| 05:47.31 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: does /proc/self/fd exist? |
| 05:47.33 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: dmraid allows you to multiboot on sata (fake)raid arrays |
| 05:47.36 | mhall | ongeboren: apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:47.41 | mhall | ongeboren: apt-get source foo |
| 05:47.52 | mhall | ongeboren: apt-get build-dep foo |
| 05:47.54 | M_Cheevy | yeao... |
| 05:47.59 | EvilSporkMan | mpd is FTBFSing...the problem is that its src directory contains a subdirectory, and for some reason the files in the subdirectory are not able to #include "../../config.h". what could be causing this? |
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| 05:48.02 | mhall | ongeboren: cd into foo's src |
| 05:48.13 | anarcat | hi again |
| 05:48.14 | mhall | ongeboren: run fakeroot debian/rules binary as non-root |
| 05:48.19 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: exact message this time is "Cannont determine root device" |
| 05:48.25 | anarcat | has anyone seen this warning: Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.14-2-k7 on running kernel 2.4.27-2-k7 in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 05:48.32 | mhall | ongeboren: you can also dl the source as non-root; i usu. do |
| 05:48.33 | anarcat | ... on sid |
| 05:48.33 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: hrm... nothing more? |
| 05:48.39 | M_Cheevy | looks like I skipped a few steps |
| 05:48.39 | mhall | ongeboren: and then i use sudo to get build deps |
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| 05:48.49 | M_Cheevy | it's probably looking for fstab |
| 05:48.59 | M_Cheevy | which I didn't bother to make yet |
| 05:49.03 | anarcat | i'm trying to install linux-image-k7 |
| 05:49.13 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: that means that you're upgrading from a kernel to a kernel that neither of those tools can figure out how to support. |
| 05:49.21 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: so they punt. |
| 05:49.25 | anarcat | i see |
| 05:49.30 | mhall | anarcat: one sec |
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| 05:49.35 | anarcat | there's no upgrade path from 2.4 to 2.6 in sid? |
| 05:49.49 | M_Cheevy | brb |
| 05:49.49 | mhall | anarcat: please ensure yaird package is installed |
| 05:49.50 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: not directly, no. |
| 05:49.54 | ongeboren | mhall, nice, thanks, for the rest i will google it out :) |
| 05:49.56 | anarcat | mhall, it is |
| 05:50.01 | anarcat | dondelelcaro, that's weird |
| 05:50.07 | anarcat | it used to work in sarge |
| 05:50.11 | mhall | anarcat: hmm it worked for me but then again i use kernel.org kernel |
| 05:50.14 | anarcat | you're saying this is broken in sid... |
| 05:50.18 | anarcat | is it intentional? |
| 05:50.28 | mhall | ongeboren: please ask if you like; i'm building from source as we speak |
| 05:50.28 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: yes, because you're going from 2.4.27 to 2.6.14, not 2.6.12 or something where mkinitramfs works. |
| 05:50.29 | fc466 | can someone help me out, i've got something wierd, fresh install of debian sarge, and non of the locales are generated i want to add some more but locales-gen isn't there... and if i attempt to resintall locales package i get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/htKXMP96.html any idea what is goin on? |
| 05:50.36 | mhall | ongeboren: so i don't have anything better to do :-D |
| 05:51.01 | dondelelcaro | now, it probably is a bug for yaird not to support that upgrade, but apparently it doesn't do so currently. |
| 05:51.05 | anarcat | dondelelcaro, hmmm... i see... |
| 05:51.13 | Flimzy | Bah... the SATA drivers were in the kernel, but SCSI disk support was modular |
| 05:51.14 | anarcat | should i report a bug in yaird? |
| 05:51.17 | Flimzy | a lot of good that does me! |
| 05:51.21 | mhall | anarcat: perhaps somebody did |
| 05:51.27 | anarcat | mhall, looking... |
| 05:51.51 | madradrone | Flimzy: i had that happen to me. i had SATA support but not scsi disk. |
| 05:52.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: how do i dump the descriptions from inside the debs in some dir |
| 05:52.18 | Flimzy | madradrone: My kernel was sticking its tongue out at me... |
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| 05:52.20 | mhall | anarcat: if nobody did then i would consider it |
| 05:52.30 | madradrone | Flimzy: the error message at boot "please append the correct root= option" was no help for that |
| 05:52.37 | mhall | anarcat: because it could cause trouble when they switch testing / sid to 2.6 default kernel |
| 05:52.44 | dondelelcaro | mhall: find . -type f -iname '*.deb' --exec dpkg-deb -I '{}' Description: ';' |
| 05:52.49 | mhall | anarcat: which the debian boot team is planning to do so far as i know |
| 05:52.49 | Flimzy | yup |
| 05:52.53 | dondelelcaro | possibly with a s/:// |
| 05:53.00 | anarcat | mhall, it sure looks like it |
| 05:53.03 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 05:53.08 | madradrone | Flimzy: luckily i had memtest86+ also, and that ran, so i knew it had to be something with the kernel... |
| 05:53.08 | anarcat | mhall, because there's no linux-image-2.4 |
| 05:53.16 | mhall | hmm |
| 05:53.23 | fc466 | oh and one more thing, dpkg-reconfigure locales says broken or wasn't installed |
| 05:53.36 | dondelelcaro | fc466: install locales then... |
| 05:53.51 | fc466 | dondelelcaro look at the link i pasted |
| 05:54.22 | madradrone | mhall where is that page? i want to read about mwilson... |
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| 05:55.02 | dondelelcaro | fc466: give us the output for apt-cache policy locales glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 |
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| 05:56.15 | fc466_ | grrr. wifi acting wierd... |
| 05:56.21 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro http://rafb.net/paste/results/SExtuB22.html |
| 05:56.50 | ongeboren | mhall, after i apply the rules, how do I make tha .deb package in order to install it ? |
| 05:57.17 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: and what is the output of dpkg -l libc6? |
| 05:57.25 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro |
| 05:57.25 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: apt-cache policy libc6; will be useful there. |
| 05:57.29 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: sup |
| 05:57.43 | Daveman | what's the latest here? |
| 05:57.48 | dondelelcaro | ongeboren: it's just fakeroot debian/rules binary; install fakeroot if you don't already have it. |
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| 05:58.28 | ongeboren | what is fakeroot ? |
| 05:58.30 | Daveman | ah, goodstuff |
| 05:58.31 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro http://rafb.net/paste/results/KC5u9v79.html |
| 05:59.02 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: you're running a system with a mixture of testing and stable packages. That's not supported. |
| 05:59.26 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: figure out which one you want to run, and either upgrade to testing, or downgrade to stable. |
| 05:59.39 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro that's what i thought as well, but that's not the case i checked the sources |
| 05:59.51 | mhall | madradrone: www.nas.com/~change/private/irc iirc |
| 05:59.51 | at0m|c | hi, i just did an install on an AMD machinem but uname -m returns i686 while uname -r returns k7... anyone know what could be going on there? |
| 05:59.57 | mhall | ongeboren: let me see here |
| 06:00.09 | mhall | ongeboren: debian/rules binary makes the debs |
| 06:00.16 | mhall | ongeboren: they appear in directory above source code |
| 06:00.18 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: I don't care what you're sources.list says... you've got libc6 Installed: 2.3.5-3; which was only ever in testing and unstable. |
| 06:00.28 | mhall | ongeboren: fakeroot is a debian package of the same name |
| 06:00.33 | mhall | ongeboren: manual page for it explains how it works |
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| 06:00.56 | mhall | ongeboren: basically you better use it when compiling packages in case developer makes an error like rm -r / in there |
| 06:00.56 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 stable |
| 06:00.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:01.01 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 testing |
| 06:01.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 06:01.03 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 06:01.05 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro okay, how would i downgrade to stable? |
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| 06:01.08 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 06:01.10 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: with great difficulty. |
| 06:01.14 | mhall | ongeboren: otherwise it will eat into your system |
| 06:01.44 | ongeboren | oh, i see |
| 06:01.46 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro got easy newbie procedure list? |
| 06:01.56 | ongeboren | i need to install it, it seems |
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| 06:02.28 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: unless you have a specific reason to run stable, it may be easier just to run testing. However, if you do want to downgrade, see this comment: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880&cid=11474 |
| 06:02.49 | dondelelcaro | (ignore the article, which is totally wrong) |
| 06:03.36 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro what should i pay attention to? |
| 06:03.59 | EvilSporkMan | no comments on that page, dondelelcaro |
| 06:04.06 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what's the idea behind a command like cd . && foo bar baz |
| 06:04.19 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i just saw it in a makefile's execution run |
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| 06:04.31 | mhall | dondelelcaro: seems kind of like a UN*X tautology? |
| 06:04.41 | EvilSporkMan | mhall: && chains the two commands together, provided that the first command returns success |
| 06:04.48 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: right i know |
| 06:04.56 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: but cd . ought always to work |
| 06:05.01 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: uh... there's exactly one comment here. |
| 06:05.06 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: so couldn't you just but foo bar baz |
| 06:05.14 | EvilSporkMan | mhall: some people don't know that cd . ; foo bar baz will work too...&& is fine |
| 06:05.31 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: but cd . doesn't do anything |
| 06:05.34 | EvilSporkMan | mhall: and maybe . is a variable you can change, or maybe the makefile was generated by autoconf |
| 06:05.36 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I've no clue why you'd bother to cd .; I've never seen someone do that. cd .. && foo; isn't unusual. |
| 06:05.55 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: no this was in the output to screen |
| 06:06.00 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: after expansion of vars |
| 06:06.08 | EvilSporkMan | mhall: i mean that maybe there's a var whose default value is . |
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| 06:06.12 | mhall | dondelelcaro: alright i wanted to be sure i wasn't on crack |
| 06:06.17 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: hmm that's a good point |
| 06:06.25 | mhall | EvilSporkMan: i suppose that might be what happened |
| 06:06.53 | mhall | shit kat's code is still broken |
| 06:06.57 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro is there a way of "fooling" the system in htinking that current libc6 isn't installed, and install on top of that stable version? |
| 06:07.02 | mhall | i've been trying to get desktop search for WEEKS |
| 06:07.04 | mhall | it's killing me |
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| 06:07.15 | mhall | !tell me about kat |
| 06:07.30 | madradrone | mhall: some of the stuff on that site is funny |
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| 06:07.58 | mhall | madradrone: which one? |
| 06:08.05 | mhall | madradrone: oh kingsley you mean |
| 06:08.07 | madradrone | the ban texts |
| 06:08.10 | mhall | madradrone: sorry i spaced out :-) |
| 06:08.22 | mhall | madradrone: yes kingsley is a real class A fuckup |
| 06:08.31 | mhall | madradrone: i love making fun of him as much as i possibly can |
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| 06:08.46 | madradrone | lol |
| 06:09.59 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: no. Only madness lies that way. |
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| 06:10.51 | mhall | !kingsleysmite kingsley |
| 06:10.52 | dpkg | kingsley: You're nothing but a w*ng f*cking b*tch! |
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| 06:11.44 | mhall | You know I just thought of the perfect job for kingsley. |
| 06:12.02 | Sneaky_Bastard | ummmm, who the hell is Kingsley ? |
| 06:12.16 | mhall | He could be a consultant you hire to measure your penis size, since you can be guaranteed he'll give you a real good sounding inflated measurement. |
| 06:12.25 | mhall | Sneaky_Bastard: www.nas.com/~change/private/irc |
| 06:12.26 | internat | oh this cant be good |
| 06:12.27 | internat | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam0g.postinst: line 9: 7816 Illegal instruction ldconfig |
| 06:12.36 | fc466_ | dondelelcaro just FYI, if you download the .deb file and do dpkg -i it will downgrade... as did in my case :) |
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| 06:12.40 | mhall | internat: oof |
| 06:12.53 | internat | oof? |
| 06:12.55 | Bonkers | what's the correct way to have my wireless configure itself for an access point and WEP key on startup? |
| 06:13.07 | internat | whats oof mean? |
| 06:13.08 | mhall | internat: oof is what i say when something like that happens to me |
| 06:13.14 | anarcat | mhall, i don't see the bug reported |
| 06:13.20 | mhall | internat: the sound of a ton of bricks squashing you flat :-) |
| 06:13.20 | deadcat | Bonkers: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:13.24 | internat | lol |
| 06:13.26 | mhall | anarcat: report report report |
| 06:13.31 | internat | yeah i have a feeling something is a bit fux0rd |
| 06:13.32 | anarcat | mhall, getting there |
| 06:13.35 | mhall | anarcat: ;-) |
| 06:13.39 | Sneaky_Bastard | no, the sound you make when punched in the solar plexus |
| 06:13.46 | internat | and i dont have the slightest clue how to fix that |
| 06:13.46 | mhall | internat: no, it couldn't possibly be fux0red |
| 06:13.52 | anarcat | i'm pretty sure i'll get hit on the head because of this because there's something obvious missing, but oh well :) |
| 06:13.53 | Sneaky_Bastard | you go OOF as all the wind comes out. |
| 06:13.57 | mhall | internat: it looks perfectly normal and healthy |
| 06:14.00 | mhall | Sneaky_Bastard: that too! |
| 06:14.00 | madradrone | Bonkers: iwconfig? |
| 06:14.00 | Sneaky_Bastard | and then you spasm and can't breath |
| 06:14.01 | internat | sure :) |
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| 06:14.10 | internat | of course it looks normal :P |
| 06:14.18 | mhall | internat: what happens when you run it by hand |
| 06:14.23 | mhall | internat: maybe try strace ldconfig |
| 06:14.25 | distempr | omfg this is driving me nuts... 2.6.13 and 2.6.14 are both broken on my boxes which share a kvm switch... Seems like it's been reported by others but... I feel so... broken |
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| 06:15.21 | rajulocal | Is there any way to upgrade a single package only if it is already installed? I have read man page of apt-get (and apt-get upgrade does this for all packages. I want to a similar one for just one package) |
| 06:15.33 | madradrone | mhall you must be the one who writes all those dirty dpkg factoids |
| 06:15.33 | internat | hmm strace isnt installed |
| 06:15.36 | internat | thats going to be painful |
| 06:15.40 | mhall | madradrone: no not even |
| 06:15.55 | mhall | madradrone: i actually prefer human interaction to be profane |
| 06:16.00 | mhall | madradrone: and bot facts to be factual |
| 06:16.06 | mhall | madradrone: except smites |
| 06:16.15 | mhall | madradrone: gotta have those for lampooning kingsley |
| 06:16.20 | madradrone | smites are bad enough! |
| 06:16.26 | dondelelcaro | fc466_: uh, yes... but watch what fun you're going to have when you try to install anything else. |
| 06:16.43 | mhall | madradrone: but if we didn't have those there would still be angry humans performing manual smites |
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| 06:16.48 | mhall | madradrone: so i see those as a proxy |
| 06:16.53 | anarcat | mhall, trying the upgrade with initramfstools instead just to check |
| 06:17.00 | dondelelcaro | rajulocal: just apt-get install foopkg; |
| 06:17.00 | mhall | anarcat: good call |
| 06:17.10 | dondelelcaro | rajulocal: or, use aptitude to perform the upgrade. |
| 06:17.24 | mhall | meanwhile i'll attempt valiantly to unfuck vmware |
| 06:17.46 | internat | the problem definatly lies in ldconfig |
| 06:18.13 | rajulocal | dondelelcaro: but apt-get install will install the package even if it was not installed before. I do not want this. I want to just upgrade not install a new package. |
| 06:18.41 | internat | fwinky:/var/cache/apt/archives# strace ldconfig |
| 06:18.41 | internat | execve("/sbin/ldconfig", ["ldconfig"], [/* 15 vars */]) = 0 |
| 06:18.41 | internat | uname({sys="Linux", node="fwinky", ...}) = 0 |
| 06:18.41 | internat | --- SIGILL (Illegal instruction) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 06:18.41 | internat | +++ killed by SIGILL +++ |
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| 06:18.50 | dondelelcaro | internat: do not paste here please. |
| 06:18.51 | internat | hmms.. ooops |
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| 06:19.58 | anarcat | interesting |
| 06:20.03 | anarcat | mhall, that seems to work |
| 06:20.15 | anarcat | mhall, should I still report the bug? |
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| 06:20.28 | anarcat | yep, that worked |
| 06:20.59 | dondelelcaro | rajulocal: if it's just a single package that you want to upgrade, then presumably you already know whether or not it is installed; if you need to automate it, use something like dpkg -l foopkg|grep -q ^ii && apt-get install bleargh. |
| 06:21.07 | internat | so im guessing my problem is libc6.. but buggers me how to fix it |
| 06:21.13 | Donno459 | what low end x-server should i install? |
| 06:21.19 | anarcat | lowend? |
| 06:21.21 | karsten | Donno459: x.org |
| 06:21.29 | dondelelcaro | internat: does anything work? |
| 06:21.33 | internat | yes |
| 06:21.49 | internat | well, im half way thru doing apt-get dist-upgrade and it failed, obviously due to that |
| 06:21.58 | internat | but everything else seems to, screen was working, ssh is working |
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| 06:22.25 | Donno459 | anarcat: the pc is only 200mhz and has probley 64mb of mem :P |
| 06:22.35 | anarcat | just install xfree |
| 06:22.38 | anarcat | there's not much else |
| 06:22.47 | mhall | anarcat: weird |
| 06:22.55 | anarcat | mhall, indeed |
| 06:22.59 | Sneaky_Bastard | hmm, sounds like some crappy SODIMM embedded PC |
| 06:23.02 | Sneaky_Bastard | :p |
| 06:23.16 | dondelelcaro | internat: just rerun the apt-get dist-upgrade; then. |
| 06:23.44 | internat | i did, and it keeps exiting |
| 06:24.09 | dondelelcaro | internat: ok, and where does it keep exiting? |
| 06:24.12 | internat | cause the configure calls ldconfig which has an illegal instruction |
| 06:24.29 | internat | internat/var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam0g.postinst: line 9: 7816 Illegal instruction ldconfig |
| 06:24.32 | internat | there |
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| 06:24.54 | Flimzy | what's on line 9 of libpam0g.postinst? |
| 06:25.26 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: it just runs ldconfig |
| 06:25.35 | internat | ldconfig |
| 06:25.40 | internat | is on line 9 |
| 06:25.41 | dondelelcaro | internat: keep running it until there is nothing new getting installed; then reinstall libc6. |
| 06:25.44 | Flimzy | hmm |
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| 06:26.11 | mhall | upgrading vmware is a highly unpleasant procedure |
| 06:26.11 | mhall | f0ck |
| 06:26.16 | dondelelcaro | internat: make sure as well that you don't have anything funky in your /etc/ld.conf; or |
| 06:26.26 | Flimzy | I should install vmware sometime soon |
| 06:26.27 | internat | its a fresh install |
| 06:26.29 | mhall | err, sorry for scrolling, i just got really mad |
| 06:26.30 | internat | i havnt touched anything yet |
| 06:26.38 | Flimzy | does vmware work on Linux PPC? |
| 06:26.43 | internat | i just installed stable, from a cd i had, then did dist-upgrade |
| 06:26.48 | mhall | Flimzy: no 386 only try qemu |
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| 06:26.57 | mhall | Flimzy: or mol |
| 06:26.59 | Flimzy | qemu? |
| 06:27.00 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: not to my knowledge; linux ppc uses mol for most things that you'd want to emulate. |
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| 06:27.06 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 06:27.20 | Flimzy | I'll hafta play with those then, once I get my powerbook working well enough running native linux apps |
| 06:27.21 | mhall | Flimzy: qemu emulates 386 |
| 06:27.25 | mhall | Flimzy: mol runs macos |
| 06:27.36 | dondelelcaro | and linux and macosx and... |
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| 06:27.53 | mhall | dondelelcaro: word? i thought it was just macosen |
| 06:28.45 | dondelelcaro | mhall: nah, it's the ppc equivalent of xen. |
| 06:29.14 | anarcat | ook.. |
| 06:29.23 | anarcat | here goes nothing, mhall |
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| 06:29.33 | internat | well i just hacked that post install script apart |
| 06:29.38 | anarcat | thanks for the support |
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| 06:30.09 | dondelelcaro | internat: right, but there's no reason why ldconfig should be segfaulting. |
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| 06:30.21 | internat | no there isnt, so ive fubared something |
| 06:30.34 | Thiz_Derek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:31.14 | mhall | Ouch. VMWare 5.5 is a VERY BROKEN release. |
| 06:31.15 | deadcat | iriver owner, how to get it working on debian. |
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| 06:31.20 | internat | yah! looks like i get to instlal from scratch again |
| 06:31.42 | madradrone | deadcat: i have one |
| 06:31.56 | mhall | internat: what do you think you did so i don't do it? ;-) |
| 06:31.57 | deadcat | madradrone: i plug it in. and nothing. i have ifp790 |
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| 06:32.35 | internat | err? |
| 06:32.46 | madradrone | deadcat: modprobe usb-storage sd_mod |
| 06:32.49 | internat | i think i know what cuased it |
| 06:33.12 | deadcat | madradrone: i dont think mine is UMS though |
| 06:33.21 | deadcat | thats why i had to install the ifp-line-libifp pkg |
| 06:33.30 | internat | i changed apt from stable to testing, was about to start a dist-upgrade, cancled it to go back and install screen, which probably installed testing versions of stuff |
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| 06:33.40 | internat | and hence created a dependency nightmare from hell |
| 06:34.02 | internat | yeah i dont like the idea of downgrading, reinstalling should work |
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| 06:34.45 | karsten | mhall: http://www.xensource.com/ |
| 06:34.56 | deadcat | madradrone: dmesg still shows nothing |
| 06:35.27 | deadcat | madradrone: lcd shows usb connected |
| 06:35.53 | madradrone | deadcat: check out the mystic river forum |
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| 06:36.02 | madradrone | http://www.misticriver.net/ |
| 06:36.06 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:36.58 | madradrone | deadcat: which model? |
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| 06:37.23 | karsten | mhall: How's it broken BTW? |
| 06:37.59 | Donno459 | ouch close one (or deadly one) :( just did tar -c /boot |
| 06:38.00 | mhall | karsten: does not support 2.6.14 |
| 06:38.12 | dusk | whas a good newsreader for linux? |
| 06:38.14 | mhall | karsten: and the patch that makes it support 2.6.14 only works on 5.0 |
| 06:38.17 | dusk | (and par2) |
| 06:38.25 | mhall | karsten: on 5.5 this patch introduces horrible errors |
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| 06:38.47 | Flimzy | dusk: pan, perhaps |
| 06:38.49 | karsten | dusk: pan, knode, tin |
| 06:39.02 | unique | im in putty...and when i do "locate file" and there are so many lines that my putty doesnt make history of, how can i scroll up? |
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| 06:39.31 | Flimzy | unique: Ask the author of putty |
| 06:39.33 | misieq | unique, try the scroll bar at right |
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| 06:39.39 | karsten | mhall: interesting. |
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| 06:40.07 | misieq | unique, in settings there is option for 'scroll back' lines default is afair 300 |
| 06:40.26 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:40.56 | FarrisG | Anyone know of a decent streaming video server? Perhaps something similar to IceCast, but for video? |
| 06:41.18 | deadcat | madradrone: ifp790 |
| 06:41.35 | madradrone | deadcat: not sure on those. i have h series |
| 06:41.40 | deadcat | madradrone: firmware 1.24. thats what the splash show |
| 06:41.49 | madradrone | deadcat: its shows up as scsi dev /dev/sda or sdb |
| 06:42.14 | madradrone | deadcat: tail -f /var/log/syslog and unplug/plug it in |
| 06:42.16 | distempr | what's a good gui archive program other than file-roller that doesn't depend on gnome libs? |
| 06:42.23 | madradrone | after you modprobed the modules above |
| 06:42.23 | deadcat | madradrone: those are nice. |
| 06:42.24 | Gnea | FarrisG: depends - streaming video with or without audio? |
| 06:42.31 | FarrisG | Gnea: with audio |
| 06:42.37 | deadcat | madradrone: i have root-tail running and it shows nothing when i plug/unplug |
| 06:42.41 | madradrone | deadcat: yeah i got my h340 playing video. very sweet |
| 06:42.52 | Flimzy | distempr: Sounds like an oxymoron to me |
| 06:42.59 | madradrone | deadcat: with korean firmware |
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| 06:43.05 | deadcat | o |
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| 06:43.38 | madradrone | deadcat: another trick i learned: |
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| 06:43.49 | madradrone | since i have different external drives/players etc. |
| 06:44.01 | madradrone | do this: "blkid <device>" |
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| 06:44.36 | Gnea | FarrisG: videolan (vls is the package) |
| 06:44.40 | madradrone | then in fstab, instead of device name in first field, use "UUID=<uuid>". this way, regardless of whether its sda sdb or what, it will always mount |
| 06:44.45 | distempr | Flimzy, heh... ever heard of ratpoison or xfce? |
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| 06:45.03 | Gnea | FarrisG: there's also vlc |
| 06:45.03 | deadcat | madradrone: nice |
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| 06:45.11 | Flimzy | distempr, xfce sounds familiar... why? |
| 06:45.28 | madradrone | deadcat: it was always driving me crazy since the order or the external usb drive and the h340 always mattered |
| 06:45.30 | distempr | Flimzy, it's the ultimate oxymoron |
| 06:45.32 | deadcat | 22:44 < madradrone> do this: "blkid <device>" ? dont get this |
| 06:45.46 | Xenguy | Flimzy: xfce4 |
| 06:45.50 | M_Cheevy | rehi folks... couple of attempts later and still getting screwed on the kernel install step of debootstrap |
| 06:45.55 | dusk | umm, how do I use pan to JUST dl nzbs? |
| 06:46.02 | dusk | not go through all the headers etc |
| 06:46.03 | madradrone | deadcat: blkid /dev/sda1 for example |
| 06:46.16 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: what's it saying now? |
| 06:46.25 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:46.26 | madradrone | it shows you the UUID of the device, which you can then use instead of /dev/sda1 in fstab |
| 06:46.44 | Flimzy | distempr: heh |
| 06:46.53 | mhall | damn i want some food |
| 06:47.07 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: "Unknown DM device 252:9 / Failed to create initrd image" |
| 06:47.13 | Gnea | mhall: so get some |
| 06:47.22 | deadcat | madradrone: nice nice |
| 06:47.38 | Gnea | madradrone: oh rock on |
| 06:47.38 | Donno459 | lol beep :P (nice make it so only root can use it :P incase someon downloads a BEEP virus :() |
| 06:47.58 | Flimzy | distempr: That ratpoison thing looks cool... I'll hafta try it sometime |
| 06:48.12 | M_Cheevy | brb, putting pizza in oven to reheat |
| 06:48.16 | Gnea | úúú beep: No such nick/channel |
| 06:48.32 | Gnea | oh wait, that was a self-censor |
| 06:48.34 | distempr | Yeah, I like it a lot, then again, I'm a big fan of screen... so it fits right in. |
| 06:48.44 | mhall | Gnea: yeah that crossed my mind but i couldn't decide what kind |
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| 06:48.54 | mhall | Gnea: i think, pasta |
| 06:48.58 | M_Cheevy | back |
| 06:49.45 | Gnea | mhall: with lots of sauce |
| 06:49.56 | Gnea | and garlic bread |
| 06:50.36 | Flimzy | Yes, I will definately have to give ratpoison a try! |
| 06:50.44 | deadcat | madradrone: very nice trick (=. but do these uuid change? |
| 06:50.45 | Flimzy | that may be very handy, especially on my laptop |
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| 06:51.06 | madradrone | deadcat: nope. i think you might be able to manually re-assign them though.. |
| 06:51.07 | Gnea | deadcat: it looks like uuid's are stored in /etc/blkid.tab |
| 06:51.29 | M_Cheevy | okay, as the channel's got more folks on it... I'll give the generic question a try. I got a sii_3114 sata (fake)raid card. 4 drives configured in two pairs running raid0. 4 primary partitions, win2k, winxp, and win2k3. last for linux. want to multiboot. everything I read says dmraid... anyone know any more recent news? |
| 06:52.13 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: my stance on fake raid is this: don't do it. :) |
| 06:52.16 | madradrone | deadcat: i found out about it after reading up on redhat's devlabel. it turns out devlabel is really not necessary with this UUID trick... |
| 06:52.18 | deadcat | Gnea: oh |
| 06:52.31 | deadcat | Gnea: nice again (= |
| 06:52.32 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: too late |
| 06:52.39 | Gnea | lol |
| 06:52.53 | M_Cheevy | gnea: does the word "smartass" ring a bell? |
| 06:53.24 | M_Cheevy | a few yrs ago that's the answer I got about merely trying to run sata |
| 06:53.56 | stew | M_Cheevy: if you type smartass<tab> and hear a bell, you might wanna rmmod pcspkr |
| 06:54.01 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: it certainly does. so i guess my question then is this: you've got windows installed on primary partitions - so then the idea is to use the remaining disk space on each disk to raid in linux? |
| 06:54.32 | M_Cheevy | stew: you think I'm running on the shambles of a debootstrap system????? |
| 06:54.47 | stew | no |
| 06:54.54 | M_Cheevy | gnea: yeap. and still have access to the win partitions |
| 06:55.04 | stew | just a guess though |
| 06:55.20 | M_Cheevy | stew: nope, wireless laptop running winxp |
| 06:55.25 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: in this case, i would have to say that the word insanity > smartass ;) |
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| 06:55.51 | M_Cheevy | gnea: if I let hardware challenges to get me I would have stopped at slackware 1 |
| 06:56.15 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: so what exactly is the problem? what is dmraid? |
| 06:56.20 | M_Cheevy | you think it's fun now, kernel 0.0.99 |
| 06:56.29 | Gnea | bwahahaha |
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| 06:57.04 | M_Cheevy | gnea: dmraid is a package that supports fake raid. appears to rely on devfs a bit as it uses /dev/mapper area |
| 06:57.12 | M_Cheevy | gnea: that's what I started on back in the day |
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| 06:57.23 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: ah ok, and you're using sarge for this? |
| 06:57.29 | jm_ | dmraid is DM-based solution to use software-based RAID systems that you can find on most motherboards |
| 06:57.34 | M_Cheevy | gnea: latest distro |
| 06:57.41 | M_Cheevy | jm: thanks |
| 06:57.50 | M_Cheevy | jm: familiar with it? |
| 06:58.10 | M_Cheevy | gnea: latest stable distro that is |
| 06:58.11 | dusk | hm, how do I just load nzb files? |
| 06:58.25 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: haven't used it, I just know about its existence - I would rather use native Linux software RAID solution, but I guess that doesn't help you if you want to use Windows |
| 06:58.26 | M_Cheevy | dusk: get thee to Auckland? ;) |
| 06:58.32 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: ah ok - i'm not sure then, no luck with google? |
| 06:58.41 | M_Cheevy | jm: don't want to, have to |
| 06:58.41 | dusk | m_cheevy: auckland? |
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| 06:58.55 | M_Cheevy | gnea: pumped google for all it's worth |
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| 06:59.10 | M_Cheevy | dusk: local joke, nzb = New Zealand Bank, Auckland is the biggest city in Z |
| 06:59.12 | M_Cheevy | er nz |
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| 06:59.25 | dusk | heh |
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| 06:59.37 | dusk | pan is too demanding, i have the nzb, i just want to dl it from my usenet server |
| 06:59.45 | M_Cheevy | dusk: it's a cheap joke... |
| 06:59.51 | Gnea | heh |
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| 07:00.37 | DrGamut | Hmmm. |
| 07:00.37 | relic | hehe |
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| 07:00.37 | jm_ | dusk: I think there's a patch for nget that enables nzb support |
| 07:00.37 | M_Cheevy | pizza should be warm by now |
| 07:00.37 | Gnea | mmmm pizza |
| 07:00.37 | DrGamut | Would a downstream signal strength of -14.0 dBmV for cable modem be likely to cause connectivity problems? |
| 07:00.40 | Gnea | i haven't ordered one of those in awhile now |
| 07:01.04 | M_Cheevy | ah yes.. the aroma of roasted garlic.... |
| 07:01.06 | SimonRaven | isn't that like, normal? |
| 07:01.15 | Gnea | DrGamut: check your coax cable make sure it's not bent or broken |
| 07:01.37 | DrGamut | Gnea, it's under the house I don't have a lot of access to it, at least not without serious investigation. ;p |
| 07:01.44 | DrGamut | the portion above ground |
| 07:01.46 | DrGamut | appears fine |
| 07:01.53 | DrGamut | but um |
| 07:01.55 | Gnea | DrGamut: crawlspace? |
| 07:02.01 | M_Cheevy | serious investigation == getting bloody grungy |
| 07:02.02 | DrGamut | Yeah...havn't been down there in 10 years... |
| 07:02.05 | DrGamut | >_> |
| 07:02.14 | Gnea | dang |
| 07:02.24 | dusk | jm_ got it, just had to restart nzb |
| 07:02.28 | Gnea | i went under crawlspace once to retrieve coax :) |
| 07:02.36 | madradrone | DrGamut: can't you test the connection integrity with normal tools like ping? |
| 07:02.39 | Gnea | i didn't feel like buying more lol |
| 07:02.41 | DrGamut | I read that general guidelines say -15 to +15, but that "acceptable" levels are usually much more narrow, and even moreso for particular ISPs and hardware |
| 07:02.48 | DrGamut | madradrone: Well here's the thing. |
| 07:02.50 | madradrone | DrGamut: fping -l google.com |
| 07:02.58 | DrGamut | The problems I am experiencing are...erratic...and...odd. |
| 07:03.04 | DrGamut | And I've been trying to eliminate factors. |
| 07:03.07 | M_Cheevy | welp gonna have to try efnet I guess... with all those damn motherboard fakeraids out there you'd figure I could find a few people doing what I am |
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| 07:03.17 | DrGamut | I've replaced the router, the modem, tried multiple PCs, nearly everything. |
| 07:03.20 | madradrone | DrGamut: and maybe install something like smokeping with will continually monitor and send alerts... |
| 07:03.23 | DrGamut | Changed out all the network cables. |
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| 07:03.41 | DrGamut | madradrone: Smokeping? |
| 07:03.46 | SimonRaven | sounds like you have a mess in your future |
| 07:03.47 | madradrone | DrGamut: yep |
| 07:03.49 | Gnea | DrGamut: is the coax direct or is there an extender at some point above? |
| 07:04.09 | DrGamut | Gnea, should be direct. |
| 07:04.14 | Gnea | DrGamut: but is it? |
| 07:04.31 | DrGamut | I don't know exactly where the coax runs from outside to inside. |
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| 07:05.10 | Gnea | well why don't you start by standing up and tracing the cable from the modem to the final exit to the outside and see if there are any breaks? :) |
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| 07:05.57 | DrGamut | Gnea, because that takes us back to the accessibility issue, and there's a lot of icky spider webs to clear, and those kind of diagnostics shall be my very last resort. :) |
| 07:06.21 | Gnea | DrGamut: spider webs are simply part of the job :) |
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| 07:06.26 | DrGamut | I'm unemployed. :) |
| 07:06.35 | Gnea | i hate spiders with a passion to boot |
| 07:06.41 | Gnea | DrGamut: welcome to the club :/ |
| 07:06.48 | DrGamut | But basically. |
| 07:06.54 | Xenguy | DrGamut: I'm underemployed :-) |
| 07:06.55 | Gnea | but i have an appointment tomorrow |
| 07:07.12 | Gnea | so my prospects aren't dried up yet |
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| 07:07.40 | Xenguy | !enter |
| 07:07.41 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 07:07.49 | DrGamut | My connectivity (namely downstream) seems to drop out really bad at times, and my VoIP service (vonage) gets really crappy randomly too. I made a lot of posts on their tech support forums, tried setting up some QoS stuff and putting the voice terminal ahead of the router. |
| 07:07.51 | DrGamut | But it still happens. |
| 07:07.52 | DrGamut | Also... |
| 07:08.07 | DrGamut | There's this terrible Korean MMO I like to play with some ridiculous netcode. |
| 07:08.14 | DrGamut | And my latency in that game skyrockets at this house. |
| 07:08.22 | DrGamut | Though it still works fairly at my apartment 2 miles away with the same ISP. |
| 07:08.24 | DrGamut | And same hardware. |
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| 07:09.11 | Gnea | DrGamut: so it's probably the lines at the house you're at haven't been upgraded yet or are mis-calibrated |
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| 07:09.48 | DrGamut | Gnea, you really think so? I've changed so much, I'd like to have some certainty of what I'm fixing before I invest more money and time into replacing stuff. -.- |
| 07:09.53 | DrGamut | Is -14 really bad for the signal strength? |
| 07:09.56 | Gnea | !ops ataeSooZw join/unjoin flood |
| 07:09.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ataeSooZw join/unjoin flood |
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| 07:11.01 | Gnea | DrGamut: think about it - it's a call to the cable company so you wouldn't have to spend any money on that, they would just come out and make sure things are working right and trace the problem - if their equipment is faulty, you shouldn't have to pay for a thing |
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| 07:12.17 | DrGamut | Well the biggest reason I've been so hesitant to ask techs out here is because I don't have a definitive problem I can demonstrate at any given time. |
| 07:12.17 | mhall | Hello can somebody please tell me the perms on /var/lock/subsys please? I fucked up and deleted it. |
| 07:12.32 | DrGamut | My connection is always running, my download rates never suffer... |
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| 07:12.49 | Gnea | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-11-27 21:48 subsys |
| 07:12.52 | DrGamut | My latency with regular web browsing is typically very acceptable. |
| 07:12.57 | madradrone | ls: /var/log/subsys: No such file or directory |
| 07:13.07 | Gnea | madradrone: *lock* |
| 07:13.12 | madradrone | /var/lock/subsys: No such file or directory |
| 07:13.45 | madradrone | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 33 2005-11-28 12:32 /var/lock/subsys |
| 07:14.28 | IaMaBot | source ~/.bash_profile |
| 07:14.37 | john | DrGamut: sorry to bother.. but is your name John? |
| 07:14.49 | DrGamut | Yes it is. |
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| 07:14.51 | DrGamut | Why? |
| 07:14.57 | Jay16K | john, mine is ;) |
| 07:15.04 | IaMaBot | bash: exec: env: not found |
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| 07:15.06 | Gnea | rofl |
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| 07:15.07 | john | oh. DrGamut: Zirc. :) |
| 07:15.15 | IaMaBot | bash: exoprt: command not found |
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| 07:15.21 | DrGamut | john: #MechG on ZiRC? |
| 07:15.24 | john | yessir! |
| 07:15.26 | DrGamut | kk |
| 07:15.30 | Gnea | IaMaBot: what? |
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| 07:15.47 | IaMaBot | lfs |
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| 07:16.25 | SimonRaven | IaMaBot: typo |
| 07:16.39 | mhall | Gnea: let's see 755 root.root |
| 07:17.02 | Gnea | mhall: in stereo |
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| 07:19.49 | mhall | Gnea: oh btw i decided my food problem in O(1) time |
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| 07:29.55 | DrGamut2 | Gnea!!! |
| 07:30.08 | dusk | no man for bittornado, how can I limit my upload? |
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| 07:30.20 | DrGamut2 | I just ran a fresh 50' coax directly from the outlet at the corner of my house across my living room, over the couches, and to the cable modem. |
| 07:30.22 | DrGamut2 | Dramatic difference. |
| 07:30.27 | DrGamut2 | It went from -14 to -3.7. |
| 07:30.30 | DrGamut2 | On the downstream. |
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| 07:30.39 | DrGamut2 | And +50 to +41 on the upstream. |
| 07:30.48 | doleyb | dusk: dpkg -L bittornado|grep man |
| 07:30.50 | DrGamut2 | Let's see if this has a positive effect on my connectivity. |
| 07:30.58 | doleyb | dusk: and then, --max_upload_rate 0.0002 |
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| 07:31.43 | Sneaky_Bastard | Dr. Gamut: I hope you properly terminated the new cable run |
| 07:31.56 | Sneaky_Bastard | and that impedance matches and all |
| 07:32.28 | Sneaky_Bastard | because people who muck with cable without knowing what they are doing can cause signal problems for everybody within blocks :p |
| 07:33.08 | DrGamut2 | Sneaky_Bastard: Comcast tech dropped this cable off at my house a few months ago when our service was down after noting bad signal strength. |
| 07:33.09 | DrGamut2 | However. |
| 07:33.22 | DrGamut2 | A week later they found out it was a regional outtage, and that the problems were unrelated. |
| 07:33.54 | dusk | doleyb: thanks |
| 07:33.59 | Gnea | DrGamut2: oh wow |
| 07:34.04 | jm_ | dusk: uhm it's mentioned in man page |
| 07:34.07 | Gnea | DrGamut2: so that fixed it? |
| 07:34.17 | jm_ | dusk: or simply use --help |
| 07:34.30 | DrGamut2 | Don't know, was gonna run that game to see if it fixed the latency issues on that, because that game hasn't worked here since we got broadband, even after replacing every other component of the network. |
| 07:34.38 | DrGamut2 | So it'd be the biggest test. |
| 07:34.38 | dusk | jm_ i didnt see that command :( |
| 07:34.39 | DrGamut2 | However. |
| 07:34.44 | DrGamut2 | The game servers are down. :p |
| 07:34.45 | doleyb | jm_: she just didn't know that package bittornado would install binaries not called "bittornado" |
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| 07:34.51 | DrGamut2 | So time will tell. |
| 07:35.08 | jm_ | doleyb: yeah, people have hard time figuring out dpkg -L is very handy |
| 07:35.11 | jm_ | not sure why |
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| 07:36.03 | henk | hi i'm looking for a way to print all the lines of stdin execpt the last one (the inverse of tail -n1) |
| 07:36.16 | jm_ | sed can do that |
| 07:36.20 | Gnea | DrGamut2: well that's okay, i've used a TW splitter on Cox equipment before without a problem, i'm not aware of the exact differences, but since Cox didn't provide one, fuck it ;) |
| 07:36.56 | DrGamut2 | TW splitter? |
| 07:37.08 | Gnea | Time Warner |
| 07:38.33 | Gnea | all i know is, it's a coax splitter and it says Time Warner on it - i've used it before and no one complained |
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| 07:39.03 | xam | DrGamut2: anyway, just remeber: one shouldn't connect computer equipment via copper if the equipment is located in two different houses ... you can fry your hardware |
| 07:39.10 | Beleys | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.23 | DrGamut2 | xam, two different houses? |
| 07:40.25 | xam | DrGarmut: or a box outside your house, if it is not on the same power circuit ... I hope you don't do that ;) |
| 07:41.14 | Gnea | and since TW and Cox are about on par with a higher level of service than most cable companies (i really can't speak for Comcast, I've never been a customer of theirs) then i don't see an issue with it, however there is a certain midwest cable company that is below par on all levels of service.. i think they're called Charter or something like that.. |
| 07:41.28 | Gnea | the splitter worked fine with charter though |
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| 07:41.47 | DrGamut | I'm very unknowledgable about running cable, however, as I said, a Comcast tech came out here a couple months ago and dropped this cable off for me after testing the signal strength and told me to run it from the wall to the modem to solve my problems. But it didn't because at the time there was a separate unrelated issue. |
| 07:42.04 | DrGamut | So I have someone to blame if anything goes wrong. :| |
| 07:42.20 | Gnea | DrGamut: what a smart tech, thinking ahead like that ;) |
| 07:42.43 | DrGamut | He was younger than me that's the first bad sign. |
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| 07:43.06 | Gnea | what's that got to do with it? |
| 07:43.19 | DrGamut | Young people are flakey that's what it has to do with it. |
| 07:43.19 | DrGamut | :P |
| 07:43.36 | Gnea | yeah so's your grandmother's pie :P |
| 07:44.16 | Gnea | DrGamut: if they weren't flakey they wouldn't make us old foggies look good ;) |
| 07:44.32 | DrGamut | xam I can't honestly say I understood your warning. ;x |
| 07:44.35 | sep | i have an issue where my xorg crashes several times a day. the crash occure with both the nvidia, or vesa, or the nv driver. now i have been trying to avoid loading the agpgard/intel_agp modules and use nvidias built in, but no matter what i cant seam to not load agpgart. someone have a clue to how to not load agpgart. (or how to fix my crashing xorg) im on etch |
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| 07:45.14 | sep | the logs say only "recived signal 11 server aborting" and that's all |
| 07:45.29 | Gnea | sep: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 07:45.35 | DrGamut | But there was a cable running from the outlet in the corner of the house...under the house, and eventually to the cable modem. |
| 07:45.51 | DrGamut | I just replaced it with a different cable provided by Comcast, from the same outlet, over my couch, and to the cable modem. |
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| 07:45.59 | sep | Gnea, the debian way from the howtoo |
| 07:46.22 | Gnea | sep: cool, when's the last time you did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:46.23 | sep | Gnea, but this crash also on vesa or nv without nvidia module loaded |
| 07:46.29 | sep | Gnea, every day |
| 07:46.33 | numist | hail Gnea |
| 07:46.35 | xam | DrGarmut: well, you were saying that you were connecting a 50' cable from a box (outside?) at the corner of you house to your computer. If everything is on the same power circuit, then there is no problem ... |
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| 07:46.44 | Gnea | sep: that might be why... file a bug? |
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| 07:46.52 | Gnea | numist: werd |
| 07:46.53 | DrGamut | xam, I meant the inner corner of my house, i.e. from an outlet. |
| 07:46.54 | DrGamut | Not a box. |
| 07:46.58 | DrGamut | I didn't touch anything outside the house. |
| 07:47.25 | DrGamut | There was already a cable running from that outlet to the cable modem. |
| 07:47.27 | sep | Gnea, i have been upgrading all the time becouse iv been trying to get rid of the issue. it's been there since i installed |
| 07:47.34 | DrGamut | It was just a very old cable, which ran under the house from the outlet. |
| 07:47.43 | litage | every 5-10 minutes, a slew of these messages are written to syslog. how can i stop them?: getty[30557]: /dev/tty6: No such file or directory |
| 07:47.45 | Gnea | sep: search for a bug |
| 07:47.47 | Gnea | !bts |
| 07:47.47 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 07:47.53 | Gnea | sep: if it's not there, file one |
| 07:48.01 | selfcontr0l | got another question gurus! ok i have Folding@Home download and it runs, but where do i put the file so it runs even before anyone logs in? |
| 07:48.02 | internat | there is no, non-us strain anymore is there |
| 07:48.26 | jm_ | sep: maybe install -dbg version of X server, ensure there's loads of free space available, enable core dumps, and wait for it to generate core and file a bug |
| 07:48.29 | Gnea | internat: obliterated. |
| 07:48.43 | internat | thought so, |
| 07:48.51 | jm_ | litage: remove it from inittab - but I don't know why you wouldn't have tty6 available |
| 07:48.52 | internat | unforutnatly my old debian install cds dont know so |
| 07:49.14 | Gnea | argh! |
| 07:49.15 | Gnea | tired |
| 07:49.16 | sep | jm_, ahh might be more useful then just my rambelings yes |
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| 07:50.08 | DrGamut | Btw, I don't even use Debian, hell I don't even use Linux, I'm a BSDish guy, I just come here for general tech questions because the BSD channels are too elitist and the other Linux distribution channels are too retarded. :o |
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| 07:50.22 | DrGamut | </severe_generalizations> |
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| 07:50.43 | roam[a] | guys does anyone know the command to turn ForceLoopBreak on? |
| 07:50.50 | madradrone | DrGamut: what do you like about bsd over debian? |
| 07:50.56 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: sysvinit sequence, /msg dpkg services ; read /etc/init.d/README, look at skeleton file in this dir |
| 07:51.01 | DrGamut | madradrone: I wouldn't know I've never used Debian. :p |
| 07:51.07 | DrGamut | madradrone: I've been using BSD for a very long time. |
| 07:51.09 | sep | DrGamut, #debian have been in deadtree newspapers for it's hostile enviorment, :) |
| 07:51.18 | Gnea | DrGamut: we are elitist here too! but BSD is cool, i've used it before... just never got into it as much as i did linux :) |
| 07:51.26 | DrGamut | sep: I've never felt the hostility here that I've felt...*cough*...elsewhere. |
| 07:51.28 | selfcontr0l | jm_: thx i'll check it out |
| 07:51.47 | sep | DrGamut, then you'v probably asked sane questions. :) |
| 07:51.58 | jm_ | exactly, people that complain about #debian being hostile have no clue how this is handled on other channels |
| 07:52.03 | DrGamut | sep, I try. |
| 07:52.09 | jm_ | they wouldn't last a split second there |
| 07:52.10 | roam[a] | guys when i try apt-get anything i get the following: |
| 07:52.11 | roam[a] | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing |
| 07:52.12 | Gnea | sep: if you've been paying attention, they've been very general ;) |
| 07:52.12 | roam[a] | the essential package perl-base due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends |
| 07:52.14 | roam[a] | loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, |
| 07:52.15 | roam[a] | activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 07:52.17 | roam[a] | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove perl-base |
| 07:52.26 | roam[a] | does anyone know how to turn this Force-LoopBreak option on? |
| 07:52.28 | Gnea | !tell roam[a] about flood |
| 07:52.39 | roam[a] | sorry... :/ |
| 07:52.44 | roam[a] | just really need 2 know. |
| 07:52.49 | elenute | re |
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| 07:53.10 | roam[a] | i try apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=true |
| 07:53.13 | roam[a] | and it does not work |
| 07:53.28 | Gnea | dunno |
| 07:53.34 | Gnea | haven't used the -o much |
| 07:54.03 | roam[a] | its just an apt.conf option im guessing, how would I add it to the conf file? just |
| 07:54.08 | roam[a] | Force-Loopbreak "true" |
| 07:54.08 | roam[a] | ? |
| 07:54.23 | jm_ | man apt.conf |
| 07:54.40 | jm_ | it points out which file has lots of examples |
| 07:54.55 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:58.13 | Gnea | godamnit, i can't remember the password i set on a firefox browser :/ |
| 07:58.50 | litage | thanks jm_ |
| 08:00.53 | vasundhar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:01.20 | litage | Gnea: you can set a password on firefox? |
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| 08:01.50 | fireba11 | litage: you can set a master password for the passwords it saved f.ex. |
| 08:01.56 | litage | ah |
| 08:02.18 | jm_ | for security device, yes |
| 08:02.22 | Gnea | litage: yeah - and i forgot what i set it to |
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| 08:02.43 | torc | can yaboot boot from ext3? |
| 08:04.03 | Gnea | i'm such a retard, i'll remember it in the morning, nite all |
| 08:04.11 | litage | lates |
| 08:04.28 | selfcontr0l | the sysvconfig seems to deal with services only...my F@H isn't listed there.. can i add the program to a file to make it show up in sysvconfig? |
| 08:04.44 | selfcontr0l | or should i be looking at initrd or /sbin/init |
| 08:05.24 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: first you need a file in /etc/init.d - use skeleton to create it, then use one of the tools dpkg told you about to ensure it's started at boot |
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| 08:05.58 | xerophyte | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4479240.stm interesting ;) another six years until he gains enlightenment ??? what is englightment really means ?? power ?? or |
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| 08:06.23 | selfcontr0l | jm_: i guess i didn't pick up on that...never heard of skeleton...will look it up |
| 08:06.32 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: I told you about it earlier |
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| 08:07.13 | selfcontr0l | jm_: yeah i didn't understand what you meant...skeleton is a program? |
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| 08:07.21 | dreamless | How do i install kde 3.5 on debian? |
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| 08:07.57 | sanxiyn | Time for "kde3.5" factoid... |
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| 08:08.07 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: it's a file, check it out |
| 08:08.55 | cheal | dreamless: ask #debian-kde |
| 08:09.21 | dreamless | thanks |
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| 08:10.09 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 08:13.00 | blindboygrunt | hi guys - #mplayer is asleep at the moment - could I ask an mplayer question here? |
| 08:13.18 | Flimzy | !tell blindboygrunt about ask |
| 08:13.20 | cheal | blindboygrunt: no. |
| 08:13.49 | blindboygrunt | hehe |
| 08:13.49 | sanxiyn | !tell blindboygrunt about they don't know |
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| 08:14.23 | blindboygrunt | hehe |
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| 08:15.08 | evilgeek | what's the difference between librpc24 and librpc2-4? |
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| 08:15.41 | selfcontr0l | AAAARRRRGGGGH!! it CANT be this difficult! |
| 08:15.44 | evilgeek | (and why does coda-client need both of them?) |
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| 08:16.16 | liran__ | i think apache cant handle php3 files, how can i add support for it? |
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| 08:17.02 | peterz | I'm a bit stumped on multilib amd64; should /lib/libc.so.6 not be a 32bit lib as opposed to /lib64/libc.so.6 being the 64bit one? |
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| 08:17.57 | sanxiyn | liran__: AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3 |
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| 08:18.23 | sanxiyn | liran__: Does it have to be PHP *3*? |
| 08:18.27 | blondie | of course you need php installed |
| 08:18.43 | liran__ | yeah cause dialup admin is all php3 |
| 08:18.49 | liran__ | let me try it |
| 08:18.59 | selfcontr0l | jm_: do i run "skeleton"? what do i do with "skeleton"? |
| 08:19.02 | sanxiyn | peterz: Debian's AMD64 is pure64. |
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| 08:19.45 | peterz | sanxiyn: then why does it ship stuff like: lib32gcc1 |
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| 08:19.53 | ma3x | what's the url of the list of uninstallable packages in sid? |
| 08:20.00 | sanxiyn | peterz: Because the world ain't perfect. :-) |
| 08:20.04 | internat | man fuck it, there has to be a lib6 problem |
| 08:20.06 | blondie | uninstallable? |
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| 08:20.20 | peterz | sanxiyn: darn, any way to get a 32bit prog compiled on deb64? |
| 08:20.24 | sanxiyn | peterz: I mean, Debian's lib/lib64 setup is not same to other AMD64 distro. |
| 08:20.28 | internat | thast the 2nd reinstall, dist-upgrade from scratch, and ldconfig is segfaulting |
| 08:20.37 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: read it |
| 08:20.39 | sanxiyn | peterz: There was much discussion about that issue. |
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| 08:21.29 | peterz | sanxiyn: any pointer on where to start reading? |
| 08:21.36 | netman1 | gpgp newbie. Is there a way to 'forward' the pgp info from seahorse on my laptop to my build box, like agentforwarding does for ssh? |
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| 08:22.34 | selfcontr0l | jm_: as far as i can grasp, i'm supposed to copy the file to a new file and edit it and change stuff in it? |
| 08:22.57 | liran__ | sanxiyn, i've un-commented the php3 in httpd.conf and restarted it but still it pops up a box to open the .php3 with gedit. |
| 08:23.10 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: exactly! |
| 08:23.25 | selfcontr0l | jm_: so i just change the variables at the beginning right? |
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| 08:23.38 | SlayerXP | happy mailman day |
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| 08:24.04 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: yes, but also adjust things like start commands, i.e. if there's no pidfile and such |
| 08:24.06 | internat | omfg, im on a 2.2 kernel! |
| 08:24.09 | x-box | is someone here who speaks german? |
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| 08:24.34 | selfcontr0l | jm_: ok so it's like $ cp skeleton new_name, but how does the system know to run new_name? |
| 08:24.43 | selfcontr0l | jm_: just by being in the /etc/init.d folder? |
| 08:25.19 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: that's the part you do with the tools dpkg mentioned (update-rc.d, sysv-rc-conf, sysvconfig, ...) |
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| 08:25.53 | selfcontr0l | jm_: sysvconfig will pick it up automatically? |
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| 08:26.48 | x-box | how do I change the IP of my xbox in debian? |
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| 08:27.08 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: right |
| 08:27.22 | selfcontr0l | ok. i'll give it a shot thx |
| 08:27.37 | dondelelcaro | x-box: is your xbox running Debian? |
| 08:27.44 | dondelelcaro | x-box: edit /etc/network/interfaces then. |
| 08:27.45 | x-box | yes |
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| 08:28.06 | nekostar | lol |
| 08:28.07 | nekostar | awesome |
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| 08:28.30 | nekostar | i think its in um |
| 08:28.42 | nekostar | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:28.44 | nekostar | or somethingl ike that |
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| 08:29.57 | x-box | permission denied??? |
| 08:30.04 | blondie | you need to be root... |
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| 08:30.16 | x-box | how do i get in root |
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| 08:30.39 | SlayerXP | x-box: "su -" then type your root password |
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| 08:31.40 | lilo_booter | anyone able to provide me with some assistance with creating deb packages? using dh_make and a single binary is fine and well documented - what i can't seem to find is a good example of a multiple or library package (basically just want a runtime/dev split) |
| 08:31.57 | spaceratk | yo i finally got debian running on that beatup laptop |
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| 08:32.44 | jm_ | lilo_booter: www.debian.org/devel |
| 08:32.51 | spaceratk | question... my laptop display doesnt take up the whole screen anyone have an idea of how to fix this |
| 08:33.17 | sep | spaceratk, use the resolution that the lcd require |
| 08:33.20 | x-box | and then??? |
| 08:34.06 | lilo_booter | jm_, yup been looking there - like i said, covers the basics of a single package... |
| 08:34.30 | liran__ | how do i control file-types in mozilla? it tries to open up a .php3 file heh |
| 08:34.41 | liran__ | i mean, with gedit. where do i disable it? |
| 08:34.55 | sanxiyn | liran__: Try to clear the cache. |
| 08:35.00 | spaceratk | only other screen resolution choice i got un settings 640x 480 (smaller than what i have now) |
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| 08:35.20 | phoenix__ | hello |
| 08:35.21 | sep | !drxx |
| 08:35.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:35.25 | sanxiyn | liran__: Also, check HTTP headers. |
| 08:35.30 | jm_ | lilo_booter: not really, new maintainer's guide covers this |
| 08:35.31 | sep | spaceratk, use the dpkg lin above |
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| 08:35.40 | x-box | i entered the password........ |
| 08:36.04 | sep | x-box, if the promp chaged from $ to # you are now root, |
| 08:36.31 | x-box | ok, iam in root now |
| 08:36.47 | sanxiyn | x-box: Now you can edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:36.56 | x-box | thx^^ |
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| 08:38.11 | x-box | permission denied??????????????? |
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| 08:39.34 | liable | !ep |
| 08:39.35 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:39.54 | x-box | sry |
| 08:40.00 | liable | np |
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| 08:41.11 | liran__ | clearing the cache worked, thanks |
| 08:41.28 | sanxiyn | liran__: Nice to hear that. |
| 08:42.12 | x-box | i am in root, but /etc/network/interfaces: permission denied |
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| 08:43.07 | lilo_booter | jm_, heh - sorry - but where exactly? seems to focus on a single package and gloss over any and all details on the others... |
| 08:43.23 | liable | x-box: err, what are you using to edit it? |
| 08:43.31 | jm_ | lilo_booter: library section has a pointer to library packaging hints document |
| 08:43.35 | x-box | terminal |
| 08:44.09 | pureone | terminal != editor |
| 08:44.10 | x-box | what should i use? |
| 08:44.19 | pureone | vim or nano :) |
| 08:44.21 | SlayerXP | x-box: an editor |
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| 08:44.27 | Vicious | when you said you are in root, do you mean you're root or you are in / ? |
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| 08:44.36 | Vicious | ^ x-box |
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| 08:45.33 | x-box | i dont understand your question, i am german and my english is bad |
| 08:45.53 | Vicious | x-box: type whoami |
| 08:46.04 | x-box | whoami |
| 08:46.11 | SlayerXP | *snort* |
| 08:46.18 | liable | x-box: you need to edit the file with an editor, such as vi, vim, nano, pico etc.. |
| 08:46.18 | Vicious | in the terminal |
| 08:46.21 | liable | haha |
| 08:46.27 | x-box | root |
| 08:46.54 | Vicious | k, now do what liable or others said |
| 08:47.05 | liable | thats almost qotd'able :) |
| 08:47.06 | lilo_booter | jm_, seen that one - it uses dh_makeshlibs - the package i want to build has executables+libraries and dev stuff... |
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| 08:47.59 | sanxiyn | lilo_booter: You mean libpkg-guide? |
| 08:47.59 | liable | !tell x-box about reference |
| 08:48.11 | x-box | can i edit it with nano? |
| 08:48.24 | Vicious | yes |
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| 08:48.44 | jm_ | lilo_booter: then simply take an existing package of the same caliber and look at how it's done |
| 08:49.20 | liable | x-box: out of interest, why on earth would you put linux on a gaming console? |
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| 08:49.44 | sanxiyn | lilo_booter: Well, if you have shared library in your package, read libpkg-guide anyway. |
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| 08:49.49 | Vicious | b/c it's doable? |
| 08:50.02 | x-box | into the hdd..e drive |
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| 08:50.03 | lilo_booter | jm_, that's what i've been looking for :-) - i've downloaded quite a lot of tarballs from the debian site - none so far have included the debian directory... |
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| 08:50.11 | liable | and cant play any games?? |
| 08:50.15 | lilo_booter | sanxiyn, yep - that was the one i was looking at |
| 08:50.52 | x-box | its like an application |
| 08:51.10 | misieq | anyone here tried to compile kde3.5? |
| 08:51.11 | sanxiyn | lilo_booter: Let's say, libxml2 source package produces libxml2, libxml2-dev, libxml2-utils, libxml2-doc. |
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| 08:51.22 | rootmos | is there a program or script that can monitor a service and see if its up and if not start it? |
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| 08:51.39 | jm_ | lilo_booter: get the diff :) |
| 08:51.42 | lilo_booter | sanxiyn, yup - that'd be a good one - do you know where i can find the debian control files for that? |
| 08:51.53 | sanxiyn | lilo_booter: apt-get source libxml2 |
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| 08:52.35 | misieq | it weird.... i'm using konstruct and everything seems to go just fine until some moment, when it just breaks with some error.... and when i type make for the second time it just passes it. why? |
| 08:52.58 | lilo_booter | .. trying |
| 08:53.35 | sanxiyn | lilo_booter: libxml2 source package seems to be a good example indeed. Except autotools refreshing, it's quite comprehensible. |
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| 08:54.59 | lilo_booter | sanxiyn, jm_ - excellent - that should be enough for now - many thanks |
| 08:55.16 | liable | rootmos: inetd?? |
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| 08:57.04 | misieq | make says that there is memory violation error... what is it? is it possible due to overheating the box? |
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| 08:57.35 | Donno459 | What console/nurse torrents program can peopel reccomend (if any)? |
| 08:57.40 | jm_ | misieq: yes, compilers tend to stress systems and are often a good indication of hardware problems |
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| 08:57.44 | jm_ | rtorrent |
| 08:58.17 | pureone | btdownloadcurses |
| 08:58.25 | misieq | jm_, so probably my memory is somehow damaged? how can i make sure? |
| 08:58.34 | Donno459 | cool thanks will try |
| 08:58.42 | dimir | misieq: memtest86! |
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| 08:59.15 | misieq | dimir, it's in knoppix, right? |
| 08:59.25 | dimir | misieq: yes. |
| 08:59.43 | dimir | misieq: and you can create your own floppy with it. |
| 08:59.57 | misieq | dimir, it's some sort of kernel? how can i run/install it under debian? |
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| 09:00.09 | sanxiyn | memtest86 is a memory testing program. |
| 09:00.10 | jm_ | apt-get install, reads its docs |
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| 09:00.36 | misieq | what's the difference between memtest86 and memtest86+ ? |
| 09:00.45 | selfcontr0l | jm_: sorry to bother you again....but i have 2 more q's |
| 09:00.46 | Donno459 | damn just noticed my system is set to stable |
| 09:00.50 | travo | hey there, I downloaded a new theme from Gnome-look.org and am having trouble installing it. I am kind of new, but really love the Debian system. Can anyone help me out? |
| 09:01.05 | liable | Donno459: thats a *good* thing :) |
| 09:01.33 | selfcontr0l | jm_: the program is using / as the default directory, i need it to be /root |
| 09:01.34 | jm_ | misieq: read the description on their web pages |
| 09:01.47 | dimir | misieq: memtest86+ seems to be older :-) |
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| 09:02.53 | liable | heh, that gives my nick a hawiian feel :) |
| 09:03.07 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: start-stop-daemon has -d or --chdir switch, try using that |
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| 09:03.45 | selfcontr0l | jm_: ok 2nd q is what is a .pid file and why do i need it? |
| 09:03.54 | jm_ | selfcontr0l: does folding client create a pid file when you start it? |
| 09:03.59 | selfcontr0l | hmm... |
| 09:04.04 | selfcontr0l | how would i find out? |
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| 09:04.16 | jm_ | start it, check the files it creates, read the docs, ... |
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| 09:04.50 | travo | hey there, I downloaded a new theme from Gnome-look.org and am having trouble installing it. I am kind of new, but really love the Debian system. Can anyone help me out? |
| 09:04.51 | misieq | once i know there is error, can i make my system avoid this place in memory? |
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| 09:05.44 | jm_ | misieq: yes, there's a kernel patch that lets you do it, but it's best to simply replace it |
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| 09:07.12 | misieq | jm_, i have another idea.... if this place i ssomehow in first parts of ram, can i load some dummy file to ram just to 'cover' the hole, so it won't be used by any other process?? |
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| 09:07.34 | sanxiyn | misieq: Eh, I'd replace the RAM anyway. |
| 09:07.36 | M_Cheevy | evening folks... anyone here with dmraid experience? |
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| 09:12.00 | M_Cheevy | quicky question: I've mounted a partiton (/target) and I've gotten the base system onto it using debootstrap. I now need to get a kernel onto it. When I'm in chroot, I can't see the /dev's I need to install one. Can I use the apt-get in /target to install to /target without chroot'ing? |
| 09:13.50 | sanxiyn | M_Cheevy: dpkg has --root option. |
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| 09:14.53 | M_Cheevy | sanxiyn: thanks... got a good handle on linux but this is my first debootstrap setup... these bloody sata (fake)raids |
| 09:15.12 | Flimzy | what's a fake raid? |
| 09:15.17 | Magdalene | *grin* |
| 09:15.40 | jm_ | misieq: no |
| 09:15.42 | M_Cheevy | flimzy: one which appears to be hardware raid but which in reality relies heavily on a software level driver |
| 09:15.43 | fireba11 | Flimzy: about every sata onboard "raid"controller is a fake .. since it's only software raid |
| 09:15.50 | sanxiyn | Hm, debian-vote on declassifying debian-private... |
| 09:15.50 | litage | does a user's umask affect the permissions of files installed from, say, apt-get? |
| 09:15.52 | Flimzy | that's not fake raid |
| 09:16.07 | jm_ | litage: no |
| 09:16.08 | Flimzy | There's no hardware requiremen to be raid |
| 09:16.14 | litage | jm_: awesome. thanks |
| 09:16.17 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: when compared to pure hardware raid as seen on all systems it is "fake" |
| 09:16.23 | M_Cheevy | er all = old |
| 09:16.36 | Flimzy | I beg to differ |
| 09:17.03 | Flimzy | fake raid would be something that pretents to be raid, but really isn't redundant, isn't an array, or isn't comprised of inexpensive disks |
| 09:17.22 | M_Cheevy | "true" hardware raid does all the work on the card and does not use the local cpu for any activity. |
| 09:17.32 | Flimzy | I realize what hardware RAID does |
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| 09:17.51 | sanxiyn | M_Cheevy: Well, but it's still RAID, just not "hardware RAID". |
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| 09:18.18 | M_Cheevy | the reason some, which include many of the howto and faq writers, consider there to be a difference between "true" hardware raid and "fake" software raid |
| 09:18.18 | Flimzy | I'm simply saying that that whether the RAID is handled on the controller or by the host CPU has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether it is real RAID |
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| 09:18.35 | Flimzy | I've never heard anyone refer to "fake" RAID until you |
| 09:18.49 | Flimzy | Yet I understand fully the difference between software and hardware RAID |
| 09:18.50 | M_Cheevy | flimzy: try a google search, you'll find loads |
| 09:18.54 | Magdalene | i thought a raid array had more to do with how it handled the data |
| 09:18.57 | jm_ | they usually call it hardware RAID, because it's configurable in BIOS :) |
| 09:19.02 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy, Only if there are loads of idiots out there (which wouldn't surprise me) |
| 09:19.08 | jm_ | until they read Linux SATA RAID page that is |
| 09:19.16 | Flimzy | RAID is Redudant Array of Inexpensive Disks |
| 09:19.21 | Flimzy | The only hardware mentioned in RAID is "disks" |
| 09:19.22 | Magdalene | .... |
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| 09:19.40 | SlayerXP | Flimzy: Devices. you can stick raid over pretty much any seekable media |
| 09:19.43 | Flimzy | So I guess if you were using fake disks (maybe Flash memory?) then it would qualify as fake raid |
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| 09:19.55 | travo | ok, I need some easy help from you all.... I am running Debian Sarge and downloaded a theme I want to install. How do you do this?? I have tried useing the "theme program" with no luck. I am really needing some quick help. I have searched on the net and found nothing |
| 09:19.56 | Magdalene | or dvds |
| 09:19.59 | Magdalene | or rom |
| 09:20.01 | ircdevil | aargh - jalapeños :o( |
| 09:20.02 | Flimzy | SlayerXP: It stands for 'disk' nonetheless... altho it can be done over anything |
| 09:20.05 | jm_ | heh rings a bell of floppy raid someone built |
| 09:20.12 | SlayerXP | jm_: done that :) |
| 09:20.19 | SlayerXP | 5 usb floppy disk drives |
| 09:20.28 | Magdalene | oh god, i remember the ram drive i wanted |
| 09:20.46 | Magdalene | it was a wonderful thing 20 megs even |
| 09:21.00 | Magdalene | 30 pin no less |
| 09:21.07 | M_Cheevy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto or http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Gentoo_with_NVRAID_using_dmraid or http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/src/ |
| 09:21.12 | Magdalene | 8GRIN* |
| 09:21.36 | Magdalene | ooh i think id win at a 'i had that' game with you |
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| 09:21.49 | Magdalene | i had 10 sun 360s in my back room |
| 09:21.50 | travo | can any of you guys help me real quick? |
| 09:21.56 | M_Cheevy | they all refer to it as fake raid.. as does most on the ataraid-list debian mailing list |
| 09:21.57 | Flimzy | Magdalene: Maybe so, but my penis is still bigger than yours. |
| 09:22.14 | Magdalene | probably, i im pretty sure i dont have one |
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| 09:22.29 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: You're citing ubuntu and gentoo as experts on hardware? HAHA |
| 09:22.57 | M_Cheevy | let's not get caught up on the words... basically I'm trying to get this sucker set up on a sii_3114 array of 4 seagate 80gb sata drives paired in a raid0 array |
| 09:23.07 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: not on hardware on linux installs.... |
| 09:23.09 | Flimzy | I have a 33Mhz sparc in the other room... woot |
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| 09:23.40 | misieq | what should i do, when my sound server unexpectadly quit? |
| 09:23.46 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: I thought we were discussing raid |
| 09:24.30 | M_Cheevy | I've been discussing my install issue... |
| 09:24.54 | misieq | can i just start it up again by typing artsd? |
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| 09:25.40 | Magdalene | dear god |
| 09:25.42 | M_Cheevy | so far the only tool I've found for sarge which will allow me to use the existing partitions I have for winblows concurrent with a linux system is "dmraid"... |
| 09:25.48 | Magdalene | how many people are on this channel |
| 09:25.51 | M_Cheevy | has anyone found anything else? |
| 09:25.52 | loxley_ | misieq: there is probably a startup script in /etc/init.d/ use that |
| 09:25.55 | SlayerXP | M_Cheevy: 3 |
| 09:26.00 | SlayerXP | err |
| 09:26.04 | SlayerXP | Magdalene: 3 |
| 09:26.11 | fragg | has anyone successfully installed etch on a sparc64? |
| 09:26.32 | Magdalene | 723? |
| 09:26.38 | jm_ | no |
| 09:26.38 | fragg | i have a e450 on which im trying to install debian on |
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| 09:27.12 | jm_ | maybe try #debian-sparc |
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| 09:27.30 | Flimzy | I installed Debian on an old sparc... about 4 years ago. |
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| 09:32.24 | liran__ | how do i get php installed? ( i need .php3 files support) |
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| 09:34.19 | sep | liran_, you mean in apache ? install the libapache[2]-mod-php4 |
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| 09:34.31 | Magdalene | hrm |
| 09:34.42 | Muffie | I was performing an overnight apt-get upgrade, but the fetch has failed in the middle... Anyone knows how can I resume it? |
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| 09:35.38 | AciD | Muffie > apt-get -f install |
| 09:35.52 | Flimzy | Muffie: hit the up arrow and enter |
| 09:35.52 | caphuso | Muffie: apt-get upgrade |
| 09:35.55 | Muffie | it should resume the last apt-get I was doing? |
| 09:36.04 | Muffie | I should repeat the command only? |
| 09:36.15 | Flimzy | Muffie: It will automatically resume if you do the same command. |
| 09:36.23 | Flimzy | Muffie: It's nice like that. |
| 09:36.32 | Muffie | nice! :) thanks |
| 09:37.04 | liran__ | sep, im using apache 1.3 so i installed libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 09:37.15 | liran__ | sep: but dont i need the php installed? |
| 09:37.30 | liran__ | sep: or rather, how can i check if i have php installed on the system anyway? |
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| 09:39.01 | jm_ | apache will tell you if you do |
| 09:39.12 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.23 | Magdalene | so |
| 09:39.26 | Magdalene | im curious |
| 09:39.33 | SlayerXP | bi curious? |
| 09:39.42 | Magdalene | how many of the 700 are actually here and not idle |
| 09:39.44 | Magdalene | heh |
| 09:39.54 | Flimzy | I think about 6 |
| 09:39.55 | SlayerXP | Magdalene: about 4, on average |
| 09:39.55 | Magdalene | im not curious about things i already know about honey |
| 09:40.28 | Magdalene | and the rest just idle around collecting logs hmm? |
| 09:40.31 | Magdalene | how quaint |
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| 09:40.40 | Magdalene | *grin* |
| 09:41.01 | sep | or just waits for the opportunity to help som lost soul in their own area of knowledge |
| 09:41.02 | Invis | Hello everyone, how to see if the isa pnp support is compiled in a running kernel of which i dont have sources and .config file |
| 09:41.05 | Invis | ? |
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| 09:41.34 | SlayerXP | Invis: you have ISA plug-and-play hardware? |
| 09:41.41 | Invis | SlayerXP, yes |
| 09:41.44 | SlayerXP | which museum do you work for? |
| 09:42.05 | Invis | SlayerXP, national working hardware museum of lithuania |
| 09:42.06 | Invis | damn |
| 09:42.20 | sep | Invis, look in /boot/config-version |
| 09:42.57 | jm_ | read pnp.txt |
| 09:43.04 | Invis | sep, thanks |
| 09:43.10 | Flimzy | Invis: If you work for a museum for working hardware, then why are you messing with isa pnp? |
| 09:43.31 | Invis | FlimFlamMan, i was kidding, anyway working means i have to run in it |
| 09:43.32 | Magdalene | he is secretly a prolatariat? |
| 09:43.53 | Flimzy | I hope you mean run IN to it... if you're using isa pnp :P |
| 09:44.15 | Magdalene | hey i happen to *like* isa in a linux machine |
| 09:44.22 | Flimzy | Sure |
| 09:44.23 | nite613 | someone likes ISA? |
| 09:44.24 | Flimzy | but not isa PnP |
| 09:44.42 | nite613 | such amisleading name, pnp |
| 09:44.43 | Magdalene | you dont need that much .. i had a wonderful little 386 running it |
| 09:44.43 | streuner | nite613: yeah, why not? |
| 09:45.07 | Flimzy | why bother with a 386 any more, even if it does work, when people will pay you to take their P233s from them? |
| 09:45.19 | Magdalene | i dont particularily see the need for anything much more than shell tho |
| 09:45.35 | Flimzy | A shell is only useful if you can use it |
| 09:45.50 | Magdalene | who said I couldnt use it hmm? |
| 09:45.54 | Flimzy | And with a maximum addressable memory space of 32mb... there's not exactly a whole lot that can be done, een with a shell |
| 09:45.58 | Flimzy | s/een/even/ |
| 09:45.59 | Magdalene | i see no exoskeleton on you |
| 09:46.16 | Flimzy | I'm just saying a shell on a 386 is rather worthless these days |
| 09:46.28 | Magdalene | not really |
| 09:46.31 | nite613 | unless it's just a terminal to get to other shells |
| 09:46.37 | Magdalene | *flaunt*flaunt* |
| 09:46.44 | Magdalene | depends what you want your box for |
| 09:46.52 | Magdalene | anyway i have other things i have to do now boys |
| 09:46.54 | Magdalene | ttyl |
| 09:46.57 | Flimzy | nite613: I s'pose. I'd still rather use one of the P100's some local company is throwing out :) |
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| 09:48.31 | `9m4re` | !find services |
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| 09:49.12 | streuner | `9m4re`: what do you search for? and use /msg dpkg find foo instead please. |
| 09:49.48 | toresbe | Anyone know how I could replace a newline with a CRLF? |
| 09:49.51 | streuner | `9m4re`: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:49.59 | Flimzy | toresbe: sed, awk, perl |
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| 09:50.09 | toresbe | I can't use unix2dos because that buffers things |
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| 09:50.38 | toresbe | Flimzy: I did sed -e "s/\n/\n\r/" |
| 09:50.41 | Flimzy | toresbe: tr could probably do it |
| 09:50.42 | toresbe | that didn't do anything at all |
| 09:50.44 | `9m4re` | streuner: okie thx man |
| 09:51.03 | Flimzy | toresbe: python I'm sure is also capable |
| 09:51.08 | Flimzy | toresbe: PHP from the command line |
| 09:51.18 | Flimzy | I guess there's lots of ways! |
| 09:51.23 | Flimzy | but then I guess that's normal... this is Unix |
| 09:51.37 | jcdubacq | anybody knows why installing (unstable) apt 0.6.43 removes my apt-rdepends and other various apt-packages? |
| 09:51.46 | toresbe | Flimzy: heh. It is a fairly trivial task. Got any oneliners for me, though? |
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| 09:52.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'services' (8 of 40): (/etc/uif/services) in net/uif ;; (/etc/services) in admin/netbase ;; (/etc/xtel/services) in comm/xtel ;; (/etc/fiaif/type_of_services) in net/fiaif ;; (/usr/include/d_services.h) in net/paketto ;; (/etc/nessus/nessus-services) in admin/nessusd ;; (/etc/nagios/services.cfg) in net/nagios-common ;; (/etc/smsclient/sms_services) in comm/smsclient. |
| 09:52.17 | toresbe | Flimzy: the sed line I concocted didn't really do me any good |
| 09:52.30 | Flimzy | toresbe: I would probably do it with perl... I have trouble with sed and end-of-line type stuff sometimes |
| 09:52.54 | `9m4re` | !find services-admin |
| 09:52.57 | Flimzy | toresbe: I'd try to whip up a one-liner, but 1) you ought to be able to do it yourself and 2) I'm about 30 seconds from my bed, and if I'm late, I won't make it to work in the AM |
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| 09:53.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'services-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/services-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/C/services-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/nl/services-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
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| 09:53.30 | Flimzy | toresbe: You're probably on the right track with the sed... but remember the trailing g |
| 09:53.41 | toresbe | yeah, used that too |
| 09:53.50 | Flimzy | anyway, 'nite all |
| 09:54.09 | jm_ | why does it matter if unix2dos buffers? |
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| 09:54.57 | toresbe | jm_: I'm piping tail through this and into /dev/lp0 |
| 09:56.27 | jm_ | toresbe: use sed with -u |
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| 09:56.52 | toresbe | jm_: yeah, I do that, for now I'm just echoing into xxd so it doesn't matter :) |
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| 09:57.23 | `9m4re` | hmm why my debian sarge don't have services-admin |
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| 09:58.00 | streuner | `9m4re`: what do you search for? |
| 09:58.24 | streuner | `9m4re`: or better what do you want? |
| 09:58.55 | `9m4re` | i'm searching services-admin in gnome-system-tool package |
| 09:59.27 | `9m4re` | i installed it but can't found it . |
| 09:59.47 | Muffie | after the apt-get upgrade ends, it should alone delete all temporary files, or I should do it myself? |
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| 09:59.58 | streuner | `9m4re`: dpkg -L gnome-system-tool |
| 10:00.05 | beardy | Muffie: Which files? |
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| 10:00.26 | Muffie | beardy , dont know. Any downloaded files, temporary, etc... |
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| 10:00.32 | streuner | `9m4re`: or just run locate |
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| 10:01.00 | OleMoudi | after ssh -X'ing to the machine and starting gdmflexiserver -xnest I get an error saying "you do not seem to be logged in on the console" |
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| 10:01.30 | beardy | Muffie: Downloaded packages stays in apt's cache until you do an 'apt-get clean'. |
| 10:01.34 | SlayerXP | is there an open source visio-type program? (and don't say dia) |
| 10:01.47 | SlayerXP | dia is accurately pronounced "dire" |
| 10:01.48 | streuner | dia? |
| 10:02.01 | beardy | SlayerXP: What does visio do? |
| 10:02.02 | Muffie | beardy , thanks. |
| 10:02.15 | Muffie | dia ? means DAY in portuguese |
| 10:02.27 | streuner | !visio |
| 10:02.27 | dpkg | somebody said visio was a diagramming tool for Windows. Similar Linux tools include dia and kivio. There is no known Visio file reader for Linux, but Visio can export parseable formats, including an XML format for which a reader is being developed. See http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-2002-08/msg00288.html for more info. |
| 10:02.32 | SlayerXP | beardy: flowchart and diagramming tool |
| 10:02.42 | caphuso | SlayerXP: kivio? |
| 10:02.43 | OleMoudi | in spanish too Muffie , but more like "día" |
| 10:02.46 | SlayerXP | kivio? not heard of that one. |
| 10:02.48 | jm_ | dia has always done the job for me, or xfig |
| 10:03.06 | streuner | !info kivio |
| 10:03.13 | Muffie | OleMoudi , yeah. I know. Spanish and Portuguese share some similarities! :) |
| 10:03.21 | OleMoudi | indeed |
| 10:03.31 | dpkg | kivio: (a flowcharting program for the KDE Office Suite), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 533 kB, Installed size: 1816 kB |
| 10:03.34 | SlayerXP | jm_: where "the job" means "crashing horribly with vastly insufficient features" |
| 10:03.46 | RichiH | jm_: if only the cisco symbols were 1/2 as ugly.. :( |
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| 10:04.30 | AoA | How can I see which libs (files) is in some debian package using APTITUDE (apt-get) ? |
| 10:04.32 | Muffie | would be nice if DIA could open VISIO files. or maybe an external converter... |
| 10:04.56 | Muffie | is there any project? |
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| 10:05.36 | jm_ | SlayerXP: neither has ever crashed for me, but my needs were fairly simple |
| 10:05.54 | mjk64 | AoA: "dpkg -L <packagename> | grep lib" or something like that |
| 10:05.57 | jm_ | AoA: you can't, but apt-file can do it |
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| 10:06.26 | RichiH | jm_: from personal experience, 'save often' is a good technique.. |
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| 10:06.32 | jm_ | RichiH: no doubt ;) |
| 10:06.33 | mjk64 | AoA: Or grepping '\.so' would be more appropriate, I guess |
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| 10:07.05 | mjk64 | AoA: But the package needs to be installed before using dpkg -L. |
| 10:07.34 | plbgnr | hello, I have this cpu:Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz; which arch do I have ? 386 or 686 or sth else? |
| 10:08.04 | streuner | 686 |
| 10:08.07 | mjk64 | plbgnr: 686 |
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| 10:08.12 | streuner | plbgnr: /msg dpkg 686 |
| 10:08.19 | fireba11 | plbgnr: you have to check for yourself .. could be 386, could be 686, could be extra p4-version |
| 10:08.43 | AoA | mjk64 : but I dont know in which package on CD(dvd) is that lib |
| 10:09.01 | mjk64 | AoA: Oh, then you have to use apt-file, just like jm_ said. |
| 10:09.18 | liran__ | what package do i need for installing php4? |
| 10:09.20 | jm_ | !tell aoa -about search |
| 10:09.29 | jm_ | !tell liran__ -about search |
| 10:09.36 | jm_ | yay for history in IRC clients ;) |
| 10:09.41 | mjk64 | jm_: =) |
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| 10:13.47 | mjk64 | gary, gary, how contrary, how did your connection close? |
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| 10:14.45 | plbgnr | ok thanks :) and if I have kernel 2.4.27-2-386 installed ; can I now install linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 ? |
| 10:15.15 | streuner | plbgnr: of course, you can install every kernel you want |
| 10:15.26 | streuner | plbgnr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 10:15.59 | takatumi | streuner: your dpkg -l line seems to be expanding every hour. ;) |
| 10:16.16 | streuner | hehe, sure :-) |
| 10:16.17 | plbgnr | streuner:ok thanks |
| 10:16.18 | plbgnr | ii libc6 2.3.5-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:16.18 | plbgnr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.18 | plbgnr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:16.41 | AoA | hm, does somebody have file libXinerama.so in dir : /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so , I cant find it anywhere. I have Debian 3.1r0a Sarge |
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| 10:17.06 | mjk64 | AoA: What did apt-file tell you in which package it is? |
| 10:18.04 | AoA | mjk64 : doesnt exist |
| 10:18.06 | Invis | i have ISA serial port controller plugged in ISA slot. ISA support is compiled in kernel. How can i find where the new serial ports work? Should it be /dev//ttyS(whatever) ? |
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| 10:18.11 | streuner | plbgnr: you are running unstable or testing, but not stable/sarge anymore |
| 10:18.27 | mjk64 | AoA: Hm? Hm. Can't check now ... until in half an hour maybe ... |
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| 10:18.48 | AoA | mjk64: ok, no problem |
| 10:18.49 | streuner | plbgnr: replace all lines 'sarge/stable' to 'testing |
| 10:19.04 | streuner | plbgnr: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:19.10 | streuner | plbgnr: /msg dpkg paster |
| 10:19.20 | streuner | plbgnr: and show us your sources.list |
| 10:19.47 | jm_ | AoA: well nothing in Debian obviously needs that file |
| 10:19.48 | mattt | hi, i've just installed 3.1 on a system with 2 GB or RAM but when i boot the OS only seems < 1 GB |
| 10:20.04 | mattt | system is running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:20.08 | jfried | hi, is it possible to recover /var/cache/{apt,debconf}? someone of our developers worked with root and deleted these files... |
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| 10:20.30 | mjk64 | jfried: Yes, simple restore the backup. |
| 10:20.41 | mjk64 | jfried: I know that's not the answer you wanted to hear. :-} |
| 10:21.21 | jfried | mjk64, yes i am not responsible for the backups and the backups does not include /var/cache ... |
| 10:21.23 | streuner | jfried: tried 'apt-get update' ? |
| 10:22.20 | beardy | jfried: It's "only" caches, so it should work itself out when doing what streuner said, shouldn't it? |
| 10:22.41 | beardy | (and take away those peoples access to root) |
| 10:22.55 | streuner | he need to make the folder 'archives', that's prolly all |
| 10:23.01 | jfried | beardy, yes, but where is the database stored for which packages are installed on this system? |
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| 10:23.33 | beardy | jfried: /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 10:23.46 | AoA | jm_ : yes , that is truth, but I buil some other package which I downloaded our ago, and when I try to start it tells me : ./kcdlabel: error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. But interesting is...before I reinstall debian (day ago) I start that program without problem. |
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| 10:24.14 | jfried | beardy, yes you are right :) ... |
| 10:24.30 | jfried | but do you know how i can get arround this failure? |
| 10:24.31 | jfried | # dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:24.31 | jfried | debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 10:24.33 | beardy | jfried: Make a backup of it now :) |
| 10:24.39 | streuner | jfried: did 'he' removed those files as well? |
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| 10:26.35 | jm_ | AoA: you didn't build it on Debian |
| 10:26.44 | streuner | if so 'fire' him, because in this case he is unable to admin a debian box |
| 10:26.58 | jfried | beardy, ok i just touched this file... lets see if it works (-; |
| 10:27.14 | fantomas | Hi. Where to read about /etc/security/limits.conf file format? The manpage looks obsolete... |
| 10:27.17 | AoA | jm_ : sure I buld it on Debian |
| 10:28.09 | beardy | jfried: Let's hope so, otherwise you have to find out which package installs that file (should be debconf), and get it. |
| 10:28.11 | jfried | well the server was just installed yesterday is not ready configured yet, but he wanted access to it. and i thought well, he want delete any essential files. but i was wrong ;) |
| 10:28.33 | beardy | jfried: Why did he need root? |
| 10:28.36 | jfried | .-.. he won't delete ... |
| 10:28.44 | jm_ | AoA: is it loading this at run-time then, with dlopen? |
| 10:29.06 | jfried | because he needs access to files only www-data owns and ftp is not ready yet |
| 10:29.40 | beginner | if i'm behined a nating router, how do i know the ip given to that router on the wan interface? |
| 10:29.59 | Donno459 | What tools do i need to compile kernel :( (or pretty much anything) - |
| 10:30.21 | AciD | gcc |
| 10:30.23 | AoA | jm_ : I just type ./kcdlabel and only I see is : ./kcdlabel: error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. |
| 10:30.30 | beardy | Donno459: build-essential |
| 10:30.34 | beardy | !kp |
| 10:30.34 | Donno459 | okay thanks |
| 10:30.35 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 10:32.05 | plbgnr | streuner: hmmm I don't understand how should it work but: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1198 |
| 10:32.13 | takatumi | make-kpkg clean removes stamp-* iirc |
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| 10:32.35 | jm_ | AoA: where did you get ./kcdlabel? |
| 10:33.24 | streuner | plbgnr: remove the line with 'experimental' or comment it |
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| 10:33.49 | Licker | lo room |
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| 10:34.13 | streuner | plbgnr: or better, remove /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-setup' |
| 10:34.13 | Licker | lovly snowing night out |
| 10:34.14 | Licker | :p |
| 10:34.30 | mjk64 | Licker: Don't call this a room, please. Call it channel, thanks. :-) |
| 10:34.37 | Licker | o.O |
| 10:34.47 | Licker | all the same to meh |
| 10:34.48 | Licker | ;) |
| 10:34.48 | streuner | plbgnr: change all lines to 'testing' then and run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 10:35.25 | mjk64 | Licker: Calling an IRC channel "room" is like calling your girl-friend "mommy". |
| 10:35.33 | jfried | :) |
| 10:35.35 | mjk64 | Licker: Or something like that. :-) |
| 10:35.42 | Licker | o.O |
| 10:35.44 | mjk64 | Licker: "chat rooms" are for wussies. |
| 10:36.33 | beardy | jfried: Did touching the file work? |
| 10:36.44 | mjk64 | Licker: What's o.O actually? A manga smiley? |
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| 10:36.50 | Licker | tis a room on a server to me. I myself hate chat rooms. AOL etc. All suck. But as far as the whole mommy thing... I feel sorry for ya to have to compare such a thing |
| 10:36.50 | Licker | ;) |
| 10:37.02 | mjk64 | Licker: ;-) |
| 10:37.07 | plbgnr | streuner: s/stable/testing in sources.list after recreating???? |
| 10:37.08 | Licker | No its a raised eye |
| 10:37.08 | Licker | ;) |
| 10:37.19 | AciD | am I alone, or amarok is just plain unstable on debian ? |
| 10:37.21 | mjk64 | Licker: Hmm ... looks like manga eyes. :-) |
| 10:37.29 | streuner | plbgnr: yes |
| 10:37.31 | Licker | well its not |
| 10:37.32 | Licker | ;) |
| 10:37.36 | Licker | so Shhh |
| 10:37.37 | Licker | :p |
| 10:37.39 | mjk64 | =) |
| 10:37.56 | beardy | AciD: Do you run unstable? |
| 10:37.57 | streuner | plbgnr: in order to run 'sarge/stable' you would need to reinstall |
| 10:38.01 | AciD | yep |
| 10:38.09 | beardy | AciD: Then yes. |
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| 10:38.16 | beardy | AciD: What do you expect? |
| 10:38.33 | beardy | AciD: Checked the bts? |
| 10:39.02 | AciD | but by unstable I mean, it never has been "stable" (not shutting down unexpectedly every 3minutes) for more than a year |
| 10:39.12 | streuner | plbgnr: i hope you are running a desktop-system, otherwise follow my decision and reinstall in order to run sarge/stable |
| 10:39.30 | streuner | plbgnr: s/decision/advice/ |
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| 10:40.44 | Tchiak | !php |
| 10:40.44 | dpkg | well, php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in httpd.conf. Get php4-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from httpd.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, or remember, there are quite a few debian users in #php |
| 10:41.06 | deadcat | madradrone: i got the iriver to work. upgraded the firmware to UMS now. the problem is that i have to push hard on the usb against the player )=. stupid design. |
| 10:42.42 | `9m4re` | re * |
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| 10:43.03 | `9m4re` | have any services manager for debian ? |
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| 10:43.24 | deadcat | update-rc.d ? |
| 10:44.11 | mjk64 | Licker: Your emoticon "o.O" *is* a "manga smiley", an "emoji", to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon#Anime_style |
| 10:44.25 | nixie | o_O? |
| 10:44.33 | nixie | really? |
| 10:44.38 | mjk64 | nixie: That means "Confused suprise" |
| 10:44.44 | nixie | :D |
| 10:44.45 | mjk64 | nixie: Yep. =) |
| 10:44.50 | nixie | didnt know it was manga related |
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| 10:45.02 | mjk64 | nixie: While (o.O) or just o.O means "You scare me" :-) |
| 10:45.15 | Licker | well not to meh |
| 10:45.16 | Licker | ;) |
| 10:45.20 | mjk64 | nixie: Well, it looked manga-like to me the very first time I saw that stuff. |
| 10:45.28 | mjk64 | Licker: you shut up =) |
| 10:45.32 | Licker | no |
| 10:45.33 | Licker | ;) |
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| 10:45.55 | plbgnr | streuner: 'in order to run sarge/stable' ? and why 'testing' in sources.list? ....I wanted new kernel, is all that needed? |
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| 10:46.15 | mjk64 | hihi .... "(^^ .)\\//" = Peace |
| 10:46.16 | mjk64 | =) |
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| 10:46.31 | streuner | plbgnr: testing is fine too, you already running a mix out of testing/unstable |
| 10:46.38 | deadcat | thats weak |
| 10:46.59 | streuner | plbgnr: so first of all make a 'clean' system now |
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| 10:47.29 | streuner | plbgnr: if you running a desktop-system just run testing then |
| 10:48.23 | streuner | plbgnr: sarge has 2.6.8 kernel, etch/testing has several other kernels |
| 10:48.24 | Licker | ô_O |
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| 10:51.18 | mjk64 | Licker: Got a pimple above your eye? ;-) |
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| 10:52.07 | Licker | yea yea thats it |
| 10:52.07 | Licker | :p |
| 10:52.10 | mjk64 | ;-) |
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| 10:55.58 | deadcat | gigly gigly, gigly goo |
| 10:56.55 | mjk64 | o_O |
| 10:57.05 | mjk64 | :-) |
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| 11:00.52 | plbgnr | streuner: is this change reversible? ...can I go testing -> stable ? |
| 11:01.13 | streuner | no |
| 11:02.27 | tzafrir_laptop | plbgnr, technically: yes. Practically: it is an "interesting" chalange |
| 11:02.36 | tzafrir_laptop | And officially unsupported |
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| 11:06.13 | phiPPs | has anyone else seen a gpg verification error for security.debian.org/{stable,testing} today? |
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| 11:07.23 | aethera | hi all |
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| 11:07.36 | plbgnr | ok and when I want to "make a 'clean' system" but stable is that way?: rm /etc/apt/sources.list;apt-setup;apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ....if I actually have newer version of some important library will it be removed after that? but what then with sw which uses this library? |
| 11:07.43 | aethera | does anyone here have adocumentation on setting up Virtual servers with root access on debian? |
| 11:07.51 | Pimpinella | tzafrir_laptop: i tried to downgrade 3 times so far, the first two times ended in a disaster, the 3rd time (_much_ later and much more experienced with debian) it worked, but i had fo fix a lot of config files manually afterwards |
| 11:08.10 | aethera | or where will the best place to start be |
| 11:08.11 | aethera | ? |
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| 11:08.52 | jm_ | aethera: read DWN |
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| 11:09.02 | LostNoobs | How can I put the good time Definitivly on my system |
| 11:09.06 | LostNoobs | ? |
| 11:09.19 | LostNoobs | when I reboot the time is again not good |
| 11:09.19 | aethera | jm_: ? |
| 11:09.19 | azeem | what's "the good time"? |
| 11:09.24 | LostNoobs | date |
| 11:09.30 | aethera | dWn |
| 11:09.32 | azeem | LostNoobs: read up on ntpdate |
| 11:09.33 | Pimpinella | aethera: what do you want to use for virtualisation? |
| 11:09.39 | LostNoobs | ok |
| 11:09.45 | LostNoobs | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 11:09.46 | aethera | Pimpinella: erm I dont know yet |
| 11:09.53 | azeem | LostNoobs: so install it |
| 11:09.55 | aethera | I just want to play with setting up VDS |
| 11:09.56 | aethera | :) |
| 11:10.01 | LostNoobs | k |
| 11:10.09 | aethera | whats is dwn? |
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| 11:10.21 | aethera | but I want to be able to run gentoo vds aswell |
| 11:10.25 | jm_ | aethera: ! |
| 11:10.33 | aethera | not just bound to one distro |
| 11:10.33 | LostNoobs | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.34 | azeem | !dwn |
| 11:10.34 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 11:10.36 | aethera | jm_: !!!! |
| 11:11.09 | aethera | lol |
| 11:11.14 | aethera | ok jm_ what about it |
| 11:11.17 | LostNoobs | aethera ? |
| 11:11.23 | LostNoobs | aethera : 1 Dec 12:10:24 ntpdate[21729]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 11:11.26 | jm_ | aethera: read the latest edition |
| 11:11.38 | LostNoobs | oh |
| 11:11.41 | LostNoobs | is good sorry |
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| 11:12.46 | crashbg[work] | hi guys, i have annoyng problem with my interfaces |
| 11:13.04 | crashbg[work] | the configuration is given to my notebook via dhcp |
| 11:13.07 | aethera | jm_: will that allow me to give root access too those users? |
| 11:13.26 | jm_ | aethera: to be honest, I don't know - I just read someone wrote a guide about using VFS with Sarge |
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| 11:13.36 | aethera | thanks mate |
| 11:13.37 | crashbg[work] | how can i make the dhclient3 to restart eth0 when the cable is unplugged and then plugged back |
| 11:13.39 | jm_ | it's worth checking out |
| 11:13.47 | crashbg[work] | witout typing "dhclient3 eth0" |
| 11:13.48 | azeem | crashbg[work]: ifplugd, for example |
| 11:14.05 | crashbg[work] | azeem: where, in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:14.12 | azeem | crashbg[work]: it's a package |
| 11:14.18 | crashbg[work] | oh ok :) |
| 11:14.27 | azeem | crashbg[work]: and it needs some manual integration with /etc/network/interfaces I think |
| 11:14.28 | crashbg[work] | i've tried with up dhclient3 $IFACE |
| 11:14.43 | azeem | crashbg[work]: I don't use it, so you will need to read the documentation |
| 11:14.55 | crashbg[work] | ok azeem it's not a problem |
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| 11:15.11 | Zmanu | hi |
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| 11:16.20 | Zmanu | I have just made apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade on a sarge, and now when I run thunderbird, I have a boucle inifinite *** Loaading extensions installed New global extensions installed ... done ... scheduling restart |
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| 11:16.33 | wouterrr | ehlo |
| 11:16.42 | Zmanu | and thunder bird don't go up, someone can help me ? |
| 11:16.42 | wouterrr | why isn't vchkpw compiled into courier-imap ? |
| 11:16.51 | wouterrr | (support for it) |
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| 11:19.56 | selfcontr0l | apt-get update |
| 11:20.01 | Zmanu | nobody can help me ?? |
| 11:20.02 | selfcontr0l | heh oops |
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| 11:20.37 | Donno459 | yah got make menuconfig to work :P |
| 11:21.38 | azeem | Zmanu: are you really running sarge? |
| 11:21.47 | aethera | jm_: the only trouble with that is that it only allows you to run debian |
| 11:21.53 | Zmanu | azeem: yes |
| 11:21.53 | wouterrr | jesus this sucks! |
| 11:21.58 | aethera | even tho debian is the best distro |
| 11:22.00 | azeem | Zmanu: what is the version of thunderbird installed on your system? |
| 11:22.08 | aethera | its very limited |
| 11:22.17 | Zmanu | 1.0.2 |
| 11:22.27 | Zmanu | the latest with sarge |
| 11:22.59 | azeem | Zmanu: so did you just dist-upgrade to sarge? From what? Woody? |
| 11:23.02 | Zmanu | azeem: before I do apt-get dist-upgrade I have no problem |
| 11:23.09 | Zmanu | from sarge to sarge |
| 11:23.19 | Zmanu | only for security and bugs |
| 11:23.43 | azeem | Zmanu: what does dpkg -l mozilal-thundebird | tail -1 say? |
| 11:23.45 | azeem | eh |
| 11:23.50 | azeem | Zmanu: what does dpkg -l mozilla-thundebird | tail -1 say? |
| 11:23.52 | aethera | jm_: thats for the pointer tho |
| 11:23.54 | azeem | argh |
| 11:23.54 | aethera | j00 the man |
| 11:24.16 | azeem | Zmanu: really, what is the whole version? 1.0.2-2 or 1.0.2-2.sarge1.0.7 ? |
| 11:24.30 | Zmanu | ii mozilla-thunde 1.0.2-2.sarge1 Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client |
| 11:24.53 | azeem | ok |
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| 11:25.16 | zignig | bleh! |
| 11:25.52 | azeem | Zmanu: did you try to logout/login perhapsß |
| 11:26.02 | azeem | Zmanu: it seems the security update does not like you |
| 11:26.16 | azeem | Zmanu: you could also see whether thunderbird starts up fine with a new (test) user |
| 11:26.16 | Zmanu | azeem: i hope that I can change that |
| 11:26.37 | Zmanu | I have only one user and root on this computer |
| 11:27.51 | azeem | Zmanu: just adduser foo as root, and login as it |
| 11:27.55 | Zmanu | azeem: I create a new user, but problem is with X connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 11:28.08 | azeem | Zmanu: yeah, you will need to logout with your real user first |
| 11:28.12 | azeem | or stop X |
| 11:28.16 | tralala | Zmanu: xhost +local:foo |
| 11:28.34 | tralala | this will allow foo to access your X screen |
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| 11:29.42 | Zmanu | ok with this new user, no problem with mozilla-thunderbird |
| 11:30.14 | azeem | Zmanu: then you could try to backup your thunderbird profile, move it away, and try with your own user |
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| 11:30.33 | azeem | Zmanu: if that helps, maybe you can export your mail etc. and import it with a fresh profile again |
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| 11:30.51 | azeem | Zmanu: but maybe you want to consult with more thunderbird-knowledgeable people than me |
| 11:30.54 | Zmanu | azeem: yes I can do that, but there's no possibility to run mozilla-thunderbird with the real user |
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| 11:31.12 | tralala | Zmanu: why not? |
| 11:31.15 | Zmanu | azeem: no, i hope you can help me :) |
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| 11:31.42 | Zmanu | tralala: because, I have a problem this problem .... |
| 11:32.05 | Zmanu | *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 11:32.06 | Zmanu | New Global extensions installed .... done ... scheduling restart. |
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| 11:34.23 | azeem | Zmanu: I assume, if you move away your profile (~/.thunderbird ?), it will work again |
| 11:34.24 | tralala | Zmanu: this is why azeem is suggesting you to backup your profile (then delete it) and then start thunderbird again |
| 11:34.25 | tralala | Zmanu: if user foo was able to start it without an old profile you will be able to start it too once you have removed your old profile |
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| 11:34.42 | azeem | Zmanu: however, back up your mail etc.! |
| 11:34.59 | Zmanu | azeem: I have soon a back-up, I do one every wednesday |
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| 11:35.08 | Zmanu | I'm not silly :) |
| 11:35.17 | azeem | Zmanu: whoa, you're better than most of us I guess :) |
| 11:35.22 | tralala | Zmanu: this is why azeem is suggesting you to backup your profile (then delete it) and then start thunderbird again |
| 11:35.26 | tralala | Zmanu: if user foo was able to start it without an old profile you will be able to start it too once you have removed your old profile |
| 11:35.34 | Scalpel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:35.45 | tralala | sorry for the repeating - I don't know what I've managed to send before I got disconnected. |
| 11:36.37 | Zmanu | ok I gonna try what you say, maybe come back with cry .... |
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| 11:36.48 | LostNoobs | they sleep on cyrus chan, someone can tell me how take out the date on the Header From, on cyrus ? |
| 11:37.29 | Zmanu | someone say to me, that I can do cd /var/cache/apt/archive and dpkg -i mozilla-thunderbird....deb |
| 11:37.30 | tralala | Zmanu: hopefully not, espesially if you back it up first |
| 11:37.38 | LostNoobs | I have this : From: nhimeur@xxxx.fr Thu Dec 01 11:02:53 2005 |
| 11:37.38 | azeem | Zmanu: you already have it installed |
| 11:37.39 | SlayerXP | LostNoobs: cyrus is an imap mail server, why would it do header manipulation? |
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| 11:37.55 | azeem | Zmanu: or does they mean you should revert to the old package? |
| 11:37.55 | tralala | Zmanu: there is no point to reinstall it when it works for foo |
| 11:38.06 | Usiu | Hi I have a problem with pbuilder create fails.. here is the log take from with --debug option http://rafb.net/paste/results/i4iYcD33.html |
| 11:38.06 | azeem | Zmanu: you can do that, but be sure to consider the security implications |
| 11:38.08 | Usiu | Any help ? |
| 11:38.13 | Zmanu | ok, so I try what you say |
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| 11:38.25 | Venker | hi everyone |
| 11:38.26 | LostNoobs | SlayerXP I sent in local with cyrdeliver |
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| 11:38.54 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:38.54 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 11:39.29 | Venker | could someone help me to solve a system file corrupion, please? |
| 11:39.37 | tarzeau | Venker: what filesystem? |
| 11:39.37 | Venker | corruption, sorry |
| 11:39.41 | xored | why is a hardlink to a symlink => a simlink on the file ? |
| 11:39.41 | Venker | ext3 |
| 11:40.04 | Usiu | Venker, thats hard |
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| 11:40.07 | Venker | root@orseides:/var/lib/dpkg# ls -ltr stato* |
| 11:40.07 | Venker | ls: statoverride: Input/output error |
| 11:40.07 | Venker | ?rw-r--r-- 1293 root root 28 Jan 1 1970 statoverride-old |
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| 11:40.49 | Venker | I have changed some erratic permissions with chmod and chown |
| 11:40.55 | quitte | xored: it's the same symlink then. you link to the symlink, not the file |
| 11:41.02 | tralala | xored: is this an intelligence test? |
| 11:41.16 | xored | tralala: no just a question, |
| 11:41.18 | Venker | but I'd like to modify the "file" flag |
| 11:41.34 | xored | tralala: i just find that out for me and could get a answer out of google |
| 11:41.52 | caphuso | Venker: that looks like filesystem corruption |
| 11:42.00 | quitte | xored: what else would you have expected? |
| 11:42.09 | tralala | xored: What makes me wonder is what is the prurpose of having a hardlink to a symlink... |
| 11:42.23 | xored | quitte: exactl, but why ? Just because a hardlink always represents the source file in that way, that you could not differ them ? |
| 11:42.26 | Venker | Is a good idea to boot my sistem with a livecd, check & mount the filesystem and delete these files? |
| 11:42.54 | Venker | I don´t know how important statoverride files are |
| 11:42.57 | xored | so as the "source" is a symlink to file1, the hardlink will become the same ? |
| 11:43.10 | quitte | xored: yes |
| 11:43.18 | xored | tralala: its just a test |
| 11:43.24 | Venker | and if dpkg re-creates them if it doesn't find them |
| 11:43.28 | quitte | xored: why would a hardlink first follow the symlink? |
| 11:43.37 | xored | tralala: there is no particular reasons, just playing arround |
| 11:43.43 | xored | quitte: your right |
| 11:43.52 | xored | quitte: thank you |
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| 11:43.58 | tralala | xored: the hardlink is just another name for the file, so if you have a symlink and another name for the same symlink it is still the same symlink |
| 11:45.04 | aethera | has anyone played around with this http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_vserver_debian |
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| 11:45.44 | xored | as in inode perspective : a symlink would store the adress of the first pointer of the file in his first direct pointer. A hardlink would store any pointer of file1 corresponding to his, right ? |
| 11:46.53 | caphuso | xored: a symlink doesn't store pointers, it stores a name |
| 11:47.11 | xored | Let me ask otherwise : Is hardlink pointing to each pointer of the source "hardlink", or directly to the file |
| 11:47.12 | `9m4re` | @find xlib |
| 11:47.28 | xored | caphuso: "store a name" ? |
| 11:47.40 | `9m4re` | !find xlib |
| 11:47.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xlib' (15 of 21): pxlib-dev ;; pxlib1 ;; python-xlib ;; python-xlib-doc ;; python2.3-xlib ;; python2.4-xlib ;; xlibmesa-dri ;; xlibmesa-dri-dbg ;; xlibmesa-gl ;; xlibmesa-gl-dbg ;; xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; xlibosmesa-dev ;; xlibosmesa4 ;; xlibosmesa4-dbg ;; xlibs. |
| 11:47.48 | `9m4re` | !find xlib.h |
| 11:48.08 | xored | caphuso: storing a name seams not to be logic |
| 11:48.11 | caphuso | xored: a hardlink a second directory entry pointing to a file. you can't tell if a hardlink is the first or the second |
| 11:48.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xlib.h' (6 of 12): (/usr/include/ncp/ipxlib.h) in libdevel/libncp-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/xspecs/html/xlib.html) in x11/xspecs ;; (/usr/include/graphviz/exlib.h) in devel/graphviz-dev ;; (/usr/include/netax25/axlib.h) in libdevel/libax25-dev ;; (/usr/include/lua40/lauxlib.h) in libdevel/liblua40-dev ;; (/usr/include/kvirc/3.2.0/kvi_xlib.h) in devel/kvirc-dev. |
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| 11:48.38 | valdyn | xored: a symlink points to what its linking to, a hardlink is identical to what its 'linking' to |
| 11:48.42 | caphuso | xored: it's perfectly logical |
| 11:49.02 | xored | yes. Jest in the deep mode, looking at the inodes |
| 11:49.07 | xored | Jest = Just |
| 11:49.58 | tralala | xored: you can safely assume that a hardlink is a synonym name for this file. One file can have many names, but it is always the same file. |
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| 11:50.02 | xored | What is stored in the inode representing a symlink ? Only ONE pointer, the first direct, to the first block of the file its heading ? |
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| 11:50.18 | xored | tralala: yeah thats clear |
| 11:50.25 | caphuso | xored: just the name of whatever the symlink is pointing to |
| 11:50.26 | xored | tralala: "now" :) |
| 11:50.27 | aethera | is there a tool too create pdfs in linux? |
| 11:50.32 | M_Cheevy | evening folks... |
| 11:50.35 | caphuso | aethera: lots |
| 11:50.37 | SlayerXP | aethera: many |
| 11:50.37 | valdyn | xored: that's an implementation detail that is really up to the fs devs and has nothing do to with the symlink itself |
| 11:50.42 | aethera | whats the best? |
| 11:50.47 | xored | caphuso: its not logic, there could be many file having the same name |
| 11:50.48 | aethera | lo M_Cheevy |
| 11:50.53 | `9m4re` | re * |
| 11:50.54 | SlayerXP | aethera: the one that suits your needs best is best. |
| 11:50.57 | caphuso | xored: again, it's perfectly logical |
| 11:51.03 | `9m4re` | where can i get xlib.h ? |
| 11:51.05 | aethera | SlayerXP: ok what app would you recommend |
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| 11:51.13 | SlayerXP | aeddan: _for what_? |
| 11:51.14 | caphuso | xored: you don't understand it. so stop pretending to be able to judge what's logical and what isn't |
| 11:51.17 | SlayerXP | err |
| 11:51.17 | xored | valdyn: ok, thats what i wanted to hear. So it may differ on ext, reiserfs etc |
| 11:51.24 | SlayerXP | aethera: _for what_? |
| 11:51.24 | aethera | SlayerXP: dont you read |
| 11:51.30 | aethera | for creating pdfs |
| 11:51.43 | xored | caphuso: you do not STORE a NAME |
| 11:51.50 | caphuso | xored: fuck. you do |
| 11:51.50 | pureone | aethera: openoffice is the only one i know of |
| 11:51.51 | SlayerXP | aethera: okay, I recommend using ps2pdf to create pdf files. |
| 11:51.59 | M_Cheevy | I have to install a kernel onto a drive I've run debootstrap on that I can't use chroot to do, I know of the dpkg --root command, but am I'm going to have to modify anything in /etc? |
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| 11:51.59 | caphuso | xored: how else could you make a symlink to a non-existant file? |
| 11:52.11 | dimir | :-) |
| 11:52.29 | xored | caphuso: you show on a adress, which represants no "block", fileblock anymore |
| 11:52.40 | xored | it may be a other block, maybe just empty |
| 11:52.46 | caphuso | xored: you're totally clueless |
| 11:52.52 | caphuso | xored: that's exactly what you do _not_ do |
| 11:53.03 | xored | caphuso: ok :) ready ? |
| 11:53.25 | caphuso | xored: if someone makes a symlink to "/foo/bar", then you simply store the "/foo/bar" as the target of the symlink, and that's the whole story of it |
| 11:53.40 | quitte | xored sounds to me like you describe a hardlink. a symlink points to the name of the file |
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| 11:54.01 | caphuso | xored: if you have a /foo/bar or not, or if you replace the filesystem that is mounted on /foo with another one doesn't matter |
| 11:54.02 | M_Cheevy | look, if you guys are fighting over uber-geek status you could take a stab at my question ;) |
| 11:54.02 | xored | guys, the question is HOW it points on it |
| 11:54.11 | caphuso | xored: by fucking name |
| 11:54.11 | xored | you just got to go a bit deeper. |
| 11:54.16 | xored | nothing stores a NAME |
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| 11:54.31 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: a debian kernel? |
| 11:54.37 | dimir | :-Ð |
| 11:54.37 | M_Cheevy | yeap... |
| 11:54.43 | tralala | xored: a text file stores a name. Think of a symlink as a simple text file that stores exactly one name. |
| 11:54.57 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: you need chroot for that |
| 11:55.03 | Konky | anyone an idea how to get a higher resolution than 1024 working with the vesa driver in debian sarge ? |
| 11:55.16 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: like I said, I can't use chroot to install it or it won't see my /dev/mapper devices (aka sata raids) |
| 11:55.20 | Konky | i wasted hours now |
| 11:55.43 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: mount --bind /dev /mnt/chroot |
| 11:56.18 | Konky | anyone experienced with that ? |
| 11:56.46 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: no shit? and it will recognise the devices created by dmraid??? without the libs? |
| 11:57.14 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: if any libs are needed then you should install those, but there are not |
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| 11:57.44 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: sounds like you've played with dmraid a bit... mind if I pick your brain a bit? |
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| 11:58.15 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: no i havent, but accessing block device nodes works the same for any block device node |
| 11:58.37 | M_Cheevy | damn, I get repetive after about 3 days of mucking with a problem |
| 11:58.59 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: er, ever played with busybox in initrd? |
| 11:59.21 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: in other words, if your main system maintains /dev then that is perfectly fine for your chroot to not maintain its own /dev, but just use the existing one |
| 11:59.46 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: nope |
| 11:59.48 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: coolness, it would certainly make life a lot easier |
| 12:00.28 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: basically I'm trying to set up an existing win sata raid system to work with a new sarge install, if I can get it installed..... |
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| 12:00.41 | M_Cheevy | er raid0 |
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| 12:01.09 | grandmasterb | Q - I c scripts using /usr/sbin/tc what package does /usr/bin/tc belong to? |
| 12:01.15 | valdyn | !raid0 |
| 12:01.15 | dpkg | i guess raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
| 12:01.37 | Pimpinella | aethera: sry, had to leave before |
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| 12:02.10 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: definately not a mission critical system and I'm trying to get some more months out of a system getting long in the tooth... setting up raid0 for a speed increase was cheaper than a new dual cpu mobo |
| 12:02.30 | Pimpinella | aethera: another project you might want to take a look at for virtual servers is the user mode linux project |
| 12:02.36 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: i cnat help you beyond very specific questions, never setup dmraid |
| 12:02.49 | S4nD3r | Hi there. I need some help when try to install k3b |
| 12:02.51 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: what's been your experience with it? |
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| 12:02.58 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to solve it |
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| 12:03.13 | Pimpinella | aethera: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:04.02 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: I'm open to any alternatives.. what have you heard about dmraid that makes you recommend against it? |
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| 12:04.02 | extr3m | where can i find the debian ndis package? |
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| 12:04.22 | aethera | Pimpinella: its ok |
| 12:04.25 | aethera | I sorted it |
| 12:04.43 | elenute | !find ndis |
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| 12:05.05 | aethera | !find vserver |
| 12:05.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'vserver' (3): kernel-patch-vserver ;; util-vserver ;; vserver-debiantools. |
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| 12:06.09 | extr3m | so... as i was saying.. where to get the ndis debian package...? |
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| 12:06.40 | S4nD3r | If I do apt-get --purge remove kde and after that apt-get install kde I will get solve this ?? |
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| 12:07.03 | S4nD3r | Ops... Sorry for flood |
| 12:07.05 | S4nD3r | I forgot |
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| 12:07.42 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to install this one ....kdelibs4 |
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| 12:08.10 | M_Cheevy | well, hell, guess I got to find some other way of doing this..... |
| 12:08.49 | Lopuz | how may i install firefox 1.5? |
| 12:09.00 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: thanks for steering me away from dmraid... wish you would have told me what you base that on but.... |
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| 12:10.41 | S4nD3r | Id like to install k3b, but I cant |
| 12:10.58 | tomiq | S4nD3r: why? |
| 12:11.10 | S4nD3r | because shows me dependency problems |
| 12:11.14 | foampeace | sender! ill get you one day |
| 12:11.32 | S4nD3r | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 12:11.39 | S4nD3r | libqt3c102-mt |
| 12:11.39 | foampeace | or sander |
| 12:11.41 | S4nD3r | I dont know |
| 12:11.57 | S4nD3r | I tried to install thos dependencies, but I didnt get |
| 12:12.12 | mtnman | s4nD3r: just dropped in, are you running etch? |
| 12:12.18 | foampeace | we now know sander is dyslexic |
| 12:12.35 | S4nD3r | etch? |
| 12:12.39 | mtnman | testing |
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| 12:12.58 | tomiq | I'd like to add after boot support for ide (cause it loox like I can't have scsi and ide at the same time in initrd)... how can I do that.?? |
| 12:13.04 | S4nD3r | Im using gnome, but there are some tools that I learned in KDE, and k3b is one |
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| 12:13.24 | mtnman | s3nD3r: are you running the testing branch of debian? |
| 12:13.36 | S4nD3r | Im running sarge |
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| 12:13.48 | tomiq | S4nD3r: u must meet dependencies I suppose.. |
| 12:13.51 | S4nD3r | Kernel 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 12:14.15 | S4nD3r | tomiq, Yes, sure |
| 12:14.18 | S4nD3r | But I dont know them |
| 12:14.22 | mtnman | s4nD3r: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:14.40 | S4nD3r | testing/unstable |
| 12:15.04 | mtnman | s4nD3r: you are not running sarge. sarge is, at this point, stable. |
| 12:15.08 | tomiq | S4nD3r: apt-get install them... they are listed in the output of apt-get/.. |
| 12:15.10 | foampeace | wheres the start button |
| 12:15.25 | tomiq | foampeace: :) |
| 12:15.39 | foampeace | all i see is black and text |
| 12:15.43 | foampeace | hows this gonna work |
| 12:15.44 | mtnman | s4nd3r: look at /etc/apt/sources.list. does it reference etch/testing or sid/unstable? |
| 12:15.45 | S4nD3r | in sources.list I have just sources wich testing |
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| 12:16.06 | mtnman | s4nd3r: what made you think you were running sarge? |
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| 12:16.24 | S4nD3r | When I downloaded |
| 12:16.31 | S4nD3r | Then, I did a mistake |
| 12:16.48 | mtnman | s4nd3r: testing is in a state of upheaval at this point. i hear there are problems installing k3b. |
| 12:17.00 | tomiq | S4nD3r: if those dependency packages are at source servers, than you can install them... and have k3b |
| 12:17.15 | S4nD3r | Oh, what to do to get sarge ? |
| 12:17.22 | tomiq | mtnman: i have testing... k3b worx just fine.. |
| 12:17.26 | S4nD3r | Or to update my one to sarge |
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| 12:17.42 | mtnman | tomiq: that is the thing, at this point many packages are not in testing due to dependency issues. |
| 12:17.50 | S4nD3r | k3b was working fine, after I did upgrade, then stopped to work |
| 12:17.51 | mtnman | tomiq: which debian branch are you running? |
| 12:18.38 | tomiq | mtnman: forget it... you're probably right... |
| 12:19.17 | mtnman | s3nD3r: because of packages being upgraded, some packages were probably removed due to unmet dependencies. you can either 1) wait for it to be sorted out, 2) compile from source the packages you need, 3) switch to stable, or perhaps unstable |
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| 12:19.49 | mtnman | s4nd3r: my recommendation to you would be to reinstall with stable/sarge. |
| 12:20.08 | S4nD3r | Hu..mmm |
| 12:20.10 | S4nD3r | How to do that ? |
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| 12:20.16 | S4nD3r | Download the CDs again ? |
| 12:21.06 | tomiq | S4nD3r: linux isn't designed for reinstall... |
| 12:21.33 | mtnman | s4nD3r: you could probably use the same CD, though i'm not sure which one you used. iirc, the current installer will prompt you and ask if you'd like to install stable, testing, or unstable. |
| 12:21.42 | tomiq | mtnman: just wait, since the time it will be alright you can use other burner.. |
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| 12:22.06 | mtnman | tomiq: we are talking about a testing branch, which shouldn't be used for a production machine. |
| 12:22.20 | tomiq | mtnman: it loox there is some mishmash with dependencies... :) |
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| 12:22.53 | mtnman | tomiq: if you want a stable system, you should run the stable branch. testing or unstable can break at any moment. |
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| 12:23.20 | tomiq | mtnman: I found that testing is very stable at the moment... |
| 12:23.23 | S4nD3r | oh... |
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| 12:23.58 | mtnman | tomiq: i would bet that if you dist-upgraded right now, you'd end up with the same problem that s4nd3r is experiencing. |
| 12:24.19 | tomiq | mtnman: can you help me with some hw administration? |
| 12:24.49 | tomiq | mtnman: I wrote it ... found the same issue.. |
| 12:24.57 | mtnman | tomiq: the protocol for asking for help in the channel is to ask the channel. not an individual. |
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| 12:25.22 | tomiq | mtnman: I asked:))) nobody answered... |
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| 12:26.09 | mtnman | tomiq: dunno. first of all i've never used scsi hw, second, i know very (very) little about initrd |
| 12:26.32 | jm_ | tomiq: man modules |
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| 12:26.52 | misieq | what irc client do you thnik is most convinient? x or text |
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| 12:26.54 | tomiq | jm_: I did... |
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| 12:27.05 | jm_ | tomiq: did what? |
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| 12:27.17 | S4nD3r | Hey |
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| 12:27.21 | S4nD3r | I have another doubt |
| 12:27.28 | mtnman | tomiq: you could either man modules (you will be editing /etc/modules.conf) or you can install modconf which is a front end to editing that file... menues and so forth. |
| 12:27.45 | S4nD3r | May I get a sources.list updated with sites stable to put in my one ? |
| 12:27.46 | tomiq | jm_: I found nothing helpful... maybe the reason is man doesn't like me:) |
| 12:27.46 | mtnman | s/modules.conf/modules/ |
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| 12:27.57 | loxley_ | misieq: i prefer irssi |
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| 12:28.00 | jm_ | tomiq: as long as women love you! |
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| 12:28.03 | dadexter | well, work time... cya later |
| 12:28.37 | mtnman | s4nD3r: certainly, however you cannot easily (or maybe even at all) downgrade from testing to stable. afaik, the only way to do that is to reinstall. |
| 12:28.38 | embrik | Which cd-burner programme should I install? I use sarge |
| 12:28.41 | aethera | jm_: thanks so much for that |
| 12:28.44 | aethera | embrik: k3b |
| 12:28.48 | Zmanu | embrik: cdrecord |
| 12:28.58 | aethera | jm_: the vserver thing |
| 12:29.05 | embrik | ok one of the two .. |
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| 12:29.09 | Zmanu | burn by hand is more fun |
| 12:29.09 | misieq | loxley_, yeah, i like that one too, but how do i switch to tabs >10? |
| 12:29.15 | embrik | do I get it with apt-get? |
| 12:29.17 | aethera | Zmanu: correct |
| 12:29.19 | Zmanu | embrik: k3b need cdrecord to burn |
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| 12:29.23 | mtnman | zmanu: you mean with a hand-held laser? |
| 12:29.25 | aethera | embrik: apt-get install k3b |
| 12:29.36 | aethera | mtnman: lol |
| 12:29.37 | tomiq | S4nD3r: debian doesn't like "downgrade" a lot:) |
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| 12:29.50 | sep | !downgrade |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 12:30.00 | embrik | thanks you three :-) |
| 12:30.06 | aethera | embrik: np mate |
| 12:30.08 | Zmanu | mtnman: exactly, by hand realy by hand :) |
| 12:30.11 | aethera | always good helping out |
| 12:30.12 | aethera | :) |
| 12:30.39 | aethera | Zmanu: But thats taking it way tooooooooooo far |
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| 12:30.48 | mtnman | zmanu: unless you build the laser by hand, you are cheating. |
| 12:30.58 | tomiq | mtnman: well I don't know a lot about the boot process nor about modules... |
| 12:31.16 | aethera | mtnman: whats the issue mate? |
| 12:31.21 | mtnman | tomiq: then you might be better off running modconf. |
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| 12:31.27 | Zmanu | what is cheat ?? (i'm french) |
| 12:31.28 | mtnman | aethera: i have no issue. |
| 12:31.34 | mtnman | !dict cheat |
| 12:31.36 | dpkg | Dictionary 'cheat' (1 of 17): . Cheat \Cheat\, v. i. To practice fraud or trickery; as, to cheat at cards.. |
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| 12:31.51 | Zmanu | ok |
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| 12:32.03 | mtnman | what is the french word for that? |
| 12:32.04 | maatttt | can i get other system to add events to a single syslog ? |
| 12:32.34 | Zmanu | fraude |
| 12:32.39 | mtnman | maatttt: i would guess syslog.conf |
| 12:32.46 | bibe | maatttt : yes, with remote logging |
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| 12:33.05 | Zmanu | mtnman: fraude, vol, arnaque |
| 12:33.12 | mtnman | ok |
| 12:34.18 | tomiq | mtnman: I'm trying ... but with the little knowledge I have about modules... well it's risky.. |
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| 12:34.19 | Zmanu | azeem: are you yet here ? |
| 12:34.19 | Zmanu | or tralala ? |
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| 12:34.54 | Zmanu | because, I have eat and verify I have my profile and all mails somehere else, but one question, may I remove mozilla-thunderbird and install ? |
| 12:35.28 | mtnman | tomiq: you can try writing an email to debian-user@lists.debian.org. several thousand people subscribe, and i bet one of them can offer help. i have recieved responses there in less than 1/2 hour at some times. |
| 12:35.39 | nixie | whats an easy way in bash to add whitespaces (or any other char) to a variable of random length so that it'll be 15 characters long? |
| 12:36.03 | mtnman | zmanu: please rephrase your mozilla question. your sentence did not parse. |
| 12:36.24 | Zmanu | mtnman: you want I explain my problem ? |
| 12:36.40 | mtnman | zmanu: well, as you asked it, it doesn't make sense. |
| 12:37.02 | Zmanu | mtnman: my problem is that with one user, I can't use mozilla-thunderbird, i have *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 12:37.03 | mtnman | zmanu: after you remove thunderbird, what do you want to install? |
| 12:37.07 | Zmanu | New Global extensions installed .... done ... scheduling restart. |
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| 12:37.21 | Zmanu | so, they say to me, save your profile and mails |
| 12:37.35 | Pimpinella | nixie: 1234567890 to 1234567890xxxxx for example? |
| 12:37.37 | Zmanu | because, we try with a new user, and it can run mozilla-thunderbird |
| 12:37.49 | S4nD3r | snif |
| 12:37.49 | Zmanu | so maybe problem come from profile of current user |
| 12:37.51 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 12:37.53 | aethera | is there a way too see wich packages are installed on your system iwth apt? |
| 12:38.00 | S4nD3r | I have no clue |
| 12:38.06 | RichiH | aethera: dpkg -l |
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| 12:38.19 | tomiq | mtnman: wow:) disks are mounted:) |
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| 12:38.25 | aethera | I am going to rip my system appart to the base |
| 12:38.31 | aethera | RichiH: thanks mate |
| 12:38.34 | RichiH | np |
| 12:38.37 | Zmanu | so I want to know if now i remove thunderbird and after install thunderbird or done something else |
| 12:38.46 | Zmanu | mtnman: you see my problem ? |
| 12:38.58 | slept | I'm looking for a tool with wich I can copy and repair files from a scratched dvd? What should I google for ? |
| 12:38.58 | relic | np complete |
| 12:39.33 | mtnman | zmanu: i understand the problem, however i don't use thunderbird. i don't know if reinstalling will solve the problem, but if you save the mails (not sure about the profile) there shouldn't be too much problem there. |
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| 12:40.16 | Zmanu | mtnman: yes, but if I remove and install thunderbird, is gonna be ok or not, or is there something else to do |
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| 12:40.55 | tomiq | mtnman: but cdrom refuses to mount... the linx may be incorrect... |
| 12:41.01 | mtnman | zmanu: if you save the mails, you won't lose them. i don't know anything about the profile, but if you save it, you won't lose it. |
| 12:41.02 | maatttt | so, is there any security for syslogd ? |
| 12:41.23 | Zmanu | mtnman: but the problem is to use thunderbird |
| 12:41.32 | Zmanu | not only save the mails |
| 12:41.34 | aethera | RichiH: does apt-get remove apache2 remove all its files? |
| 12:41.41 | maatttt | syslog.conf says remote logging is supported but does not show how to set syslogd to accept incomming messages. |
| 12:42.47 | mtnman | zmanu: if you reinstall thunderbird, i would imagine it will work fine, with the caveat that if you're running something other than stable/sarge then there is a possibility that you will have trouble reinstalling it (due to unmet dependencies, and so forth) |
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| 12:43.04 | maatttt | ah, `man syslogd` look better. |
| 12:43.05 | RichiH | aethera: no, you need to add --pugre |
| 12:43.06 | Zmanu | mtnman: I use sarge |
| 12:43.08 | RichiH | purge |
| 12:43.15 | mtnman | tomiq: for cd you need some other modules besides the ones for ide. |
| 12:43.20 | aethera | RichiH: yeah just figured that out |
| 12:43.31 | aethera | RichiH: is there a command to remove all the install packages |
| 12:43.31 | aethera | ? |
| 12:43.36 | aethera | except the base? |
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| 12:43.41 | valdyn | aethera: apache2-common, apache2 is just a metapackage |
| 12:43.44 | aethera | so that my system still boots |
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| 12:43.47 | Zap-W | how much horse power is P1 233mhz mmx compared to P3 SLOT1 600mhz |
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| 12:44.22 | tomiq | mtnman: well cdrom module should be installed... is there some auto-detection program? |
| 12:44.52 | mtnman | tomiq: yes, it is called 'discover' |
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| 12:45.31 | mattt | how do i get system to recognize all 2 GB of ram? currently it only sees 1. using 3.1 |
| 12:45.32 | mtnman | tomiq: try 'dicover cdrom' |
| 12:45.38 | maatttt | p1 233 is shit, p3 600 is less shit. the mmx is moot. |
| 12:45.52 | valdyn | mattt: build a kernel with highmem support |
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| 12:46.16 | mattt | valdyn: cool, thanks |
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| 12:47.03 | Pimpinella | nixie: still need an answer? |
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| 12:47.59 | azeem | Zmanu: I doubt reinstalling will help |
| 12:48.16 | Zmanu | azeem: so how resolve the problem ? |
| 12:48.21 | azeem | Zmanu: as your profile is in your home directory, which will not get deleted |
| 12:48.34 | azeem | Zmanu: you could either install the old version of thunderbird |
| 12:48.39 | azeem | or move away your profile |
| 12:48.41 | Zmanu | profile is on this computer and on another one |
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| 12:48.56 | Zmanu | but I can't lost my mails |
| 12:49.01 | mtnman | azeem: please use punctuation instead of the enter key. |
| 12:49.11 | tomiq | mtnman: everything worx now:) what a beautiful beginning of the day:) |
| 12:49.20 | Pimpinella | nixie: VARIABLE=`echo $VARIABLE | awk '{for(;length() < 15;) $0 = $0 " "; print;}'` <-- will do |
| 12:49.26 | azeem | mtnman: huh? |
| 12:49.30 | tomiq | mtnman: everything except gdesklets... |
| 12:49.48 | azeem | Zmanu: "On Linux, the path is usually ~/.thunderbird/xxxxxxxx.default/" |
| 12:50.01 | mtnman | azeem: it is annoying to when someone uses the enterkey to break up a sentence. |
| 12:50.05 | Zmanu | azeem: yes I know |
| 12:50.10 | tralala | Zmanu: mv .thunderbird{,old} |
| 12:50.24 | azeem | mtnman: I will start a new sentence properly next time just for you |
| 12:50.27 | tralala | then try to import your settings after you create the new profile |
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| 12:50.36 | mtnman | tomiq: not just for me. it is channel ettiquette. |
| 12:50.38 | Zmanu | and after how can I do to have my mails and directory ? |
| 12:50.45 | Zmanu | I move them to the new profile ? |
| 12:51.00 | mtnman | tomiq: if that was a "thank you", then you are welcome. |
| 12:51.16 | Zmanu | ok I gonna try |
| 12:51.24 | tomiq | mtnman: I'm very grateful... |
| 12:51.24 | tralala | Zmanu: I think thunderbird can import (through the GUI) mails and stuff. |
| 12:51.48 | azeem | Zmanu: this will be hairy |
| 12:52.00 | saloxin | what cpu type is intel xeon? |
| 12:52.06 | embrik | k3b is working, thanks a lot. |
| 12:52.10 | azeem | Zmanu: maybe you should try to install the old package first |
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| 12:52.27 | Pimpinella | saloxin: i386 |
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| 12:52.37 | Pimpinella | or ia 32 |
| 12:52.49 | embrik | Kaffeine doesn't play dvd's. I don't get any suggestions in the programme for what to do. |
| 12:52.56 | azeem | Zmanu: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.0.2-2_i386.deb |
| 12:52.59 | saloxin | Pimpinella: ah cool. will try out the i386 installer then. thanks |
| 12:53.05 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.11 | RichiH | a |
| 12:53.11 | RichiH | b |
| 12:53.11 | RichiH | c |
| 12:53.11 | RichiH | d |
| 12:53.11 | RichiH | e |
| 12:53.11 | RichiH | f |
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| 12:53.28 | embrik | I can get to the dvd in konqueror, and play individual cuts |
| 12:53.29 | Zmanu | azeem: but I install the latest one for sarge |
| 12:53.35 | RichiH | hmm, it should definately tell people about the paster site in the remove msg |
| 12:53.39 | azeem | Zmanu: yes, and you have problems with that |
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| 12:53.52 | azeem | Zmanu: so I suggest using the old one again |
| 12:53.56 | Zmanu | azeem: yes but only with one user |
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| 12:54.12 | azeem | Zmanu: well, if you do not care about that user, just make a new profile |
| 12:54.23 | azeem | I thought you did care, though |
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| 12:54.40 | Zmanu | I need this user |
| 12:54.47 | Zmanu | and I need all mails |
| 12:54.51 | mtnman | zmanu: probably the easiest thing to do would be to recreate the user's account. |
| 12:55.03 | Zmanu | gonna try |
| 12:55.10 | azeem | Zmanu: you could try to find where and how the mails are stored in ~/.thunderbird and try to move them over |
| 12:55.24 | azeem | but I know nothing about thunderbird, so I cannot help |
| 12:55.42 | mtnman | zmanu: move the users /home to a new user, remove the user, recreate the user's account, then move his stuff back. |
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| 12:56.16 | azeem | mtnman: that will provide him with the old ~/.thunderbird which doesn't want to startup |
| 12:56.17 | mtnman | azeemm |
| 12:57.08 | tralala | given the separation of settings for each individual programme I don't think you need to bother the whole user setup to fix a single programme |
| 12:57.09 | mtnman | azeem: then maybe he should just save the mails (i would bet the thunderbird has some sort of export/import mechanism), and then recreate the profile. |
| 12:57.26 | azeem | mtnman: but thunderbird does not start up, so how should he save/export? |
| 12:57.29 | mtnman | tralala: something weird is going on with the one user account. |
| 12:57.32 | azeem | this is pretty tricky |
| 12:57.35 | tralala | after all this is not a popular OS from a major vendor |
| 12:57.40 | azeem | he would need to migrate the important stuff manually |
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| 12:59.02 | tralala | mtnman: with a _subset_ of the account. Of course, I've only voiced my opinion. It doesn't have to be right and it certainly doesn't have to be yours. |
| 12:59.48 | azeem | mtnman was not around when we initially discussed this |
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| 12:59.55 | mtnman | zmanu: you would probably get better help if you asked in a mozilla/thunderbird specific forum. i believe mozilla has an irc network of its own, and i know for sure that they have some mailing lists. |
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| 13:00.22 | embrik | anybody who knows a trick to get kafeine to play dvd's? |
| 13:00.26 | Zmanu | mtnman: I go on serveur irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird but nobody to answer |
| 13:00.30 | azeem | Zmanu: the underlying problem is that the security update essentially updated thunderbird to 1.0.6 |
| 13:00.42 | azeem | and your old 1.0.2 profile makes it act up |
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| 13:00.52 | mtnman | zmanu: then perhaps a mailing list is a better choice. |
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| 13:01.33 | azeem | Zmanu: what does "dpkg -l | grep 1.0.2-2.sarge1.0.7" say? |
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| 13:01.39 | Pimpinella | embrik: i dunno kaffeine, but do you have libdvdcss and related installed? |
| 13:01.51 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 13:02.10 | Zmanu | I try too #mozilla on freenode but nothing more |
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| 13:02.52 | Zmanu | azeem: that say nothing |
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| 13:03.36 | tralala | Zmanu: if I was having this problem I would have done the following: mv .thunderbird{,old}; mozilla-thunderbird, create a new account. Import my emails and addresses from .thunderbirdold using the thunderbird menus if possible. If not I would've tried to mv some files manually. |
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| 13:04.42 | apt-get | O_o |
| 13:04.48 | tralala | note that thunderbird has tools/import and gives you the options to import mail, addressbook and settings |
| 13:04.50 | azeem | Zmanu: then try "COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep 1.0.2-2.sarge1.0.7" say? |
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| 13:04.56 | ryushe | Hi, messing around with framebuffer support. I have it compiled into my 2.6.14 kernel, and pass vga=791 as kernel parameter in grub config. However after a reboot machine says videomode not found ... suggestions? |
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| 13:05.22 | azeem | tralala: can you tell it where to look, though? |
| 13:05.41 | antgel | ryushe: vga=ask |
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| 13:06.02 | ryushe | antgel > good point, forgot about that one ;( |
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| 13:06.43 | tralala | azeem: not on 1.0 for windows |
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| 13:06.55 | ryushe | antgel > video modes I see here don't seem to relate at all to for instance the 791 mode ... |
| 13:07.47 | Zmanu | azeem: ii mozilla-thunderbird 1.0.2-2.sarge1.0.7 Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client |
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| 13:07.53 | Genghis | hi |
| 13:08.00 | tijn | hi |
| 13:08.04 | Genghis | anyone experience with APF on debian? |
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| 13:08.21 | Genghis | for some reason it is blocking all the outbound traffic it seems |
| 13:08.50 | azeem | Zmanu: I suggest you download and dpkg -i http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.0.2-2_i386.deb |
| 13:09.36 | Zmanu | azeem: ok gonna try |
| 13:09.46 | Pimpinella | Genghis: what is APF? |
| 13:09.55 | embrik | pimpinella: I'll check |
| 13:09.56 | Zmanu | i can let my profile, or must I paste it after dpkg -i ?? |
| 13:10.04 | Zmanu | azeem: ^^ |
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| 13:10.13 | Genghis | advanced policy firewall |
| 13:10.21 | Genghis | uses iptables |
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| 13:10.50 | azeem | Zmanu: keep your profile |
| 13:10.56 | Zmanu | ok |
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| 13:11.03 | azeem | Zmanu: if it works, you can export your mail and contacts et.c |
| 13:11.11 | lestest | do to run badblocks on new discs make sence for you? |
| 13:11.14 | azeem | Zmanu: and maybe upgrade to the latest in sarge again, and import |
| 13:11.25 | snuff- | i have problems reading dvd-rw burned with over 4gb data, it says attempt to access beyond end of device when reading the last file and results in i/o error. kernel i'm running is 2.6.14, anybody know a way around this? |
| 13:11.29 | azeem | lestest: only if you are paranoid, I think |
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| 13:12.14 | lestest | azeem: I knew that new discs handle badblocs by them selves is it true? |
| 13:12.15 | Pimpinella | Genghis: you might have a rule that forbids outbound traffic, or APF sets it ad default (which makes sense |
| 13:12.23 | DeadS0ul | =( i hope kde 3.5 gets added to debian unstable soon |
| 13:12.29 | Pimpinella | Genghis: find out with iptables -L |
| 13:12.33 | lestest | for new I mean modern |
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| 13:13.08 | azeem | lestest: yes, I think so |
| 13:13.11 | Genghis | Pimpinella: i did not enable outbound filtering |
| 13:13.16 | lestest | azeem: thankz |
| 13:13.26 | tralala | lestest: even the modern disks could have bad sectors if they are aged or treated improperly |
| 13:13.31 | npx | Hey, probably somewhat off-topic, but what distribution would you guys suggest using on an AMD64 machine? |
| 13:13.45 | npx | Is there a Debian AMD64 hardware compatibility list? |
| 13:13.54 | npx | or should I just stick with a 32-bit OS for the time being? |
| 13:14.00 | azeem | npx: just try amd64 |
| 13:14.03 | lestest | tralala: do you run badblocs when you make filesystems? |
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| 13:14.13 | azeem | npx: the support should be mostly the same on each distribution |
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| 13:14.20 | azeem | npx: it depends much more on the kernel you use |
| 13:14.31 | tralala | lestest: I never run badblocks unless I have strange IO problems with my disks |
| 13:14.39 | lestest | tralala: it takes so damn time on large disks? |
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| 13:14.44 | npx | azeem, *nods* I guess my question is more, does anyone actually use native amd64 builds of linux on a workstation? |
| 13:14.49 | lestest | without ? |
| 13:14.49 | larmer | Is there any program that just plays a wav or mp3 and does nothing else, nad can be run on the command line? |
| 13:14.59 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:15.08 | azeem | npx: I guess |
| 13:15.12 | azeem | npx: more and more |
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| 13:15.31 | tralala | npx: I plan to as soon as I buy a new hdd |
| 13:15.50 | Zmanu | azeem: I can't download it :/ |
| 13:15.56 | npx | I tried xp 32-bit and sarge 32-bit |
| 13:15.57 | Zmanu | that stop to 70% |
| 13:16.04 | npx | and I just wanna see what this machine can do when I really open it up =) |
| 13:16.23 | Zmanu | larmer: mpg123 for mp3 and ogg123 |
| 13:16.24 | npx | performance is mindboggling...then I think "wow, this thing is hamstrung!" |
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| 13:16.35 | larmer | Zmanu, thanks |
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| 13:16.42 | Pimpinella | larmer: play |
| 13:16.43 | azeem | Zmanu: that is a problem on your end then |
| 13:16.48 | Pimpinella | which comes with soy |
| 13:16.50 | Pimpinella | sox |
| 13:16.56 | larmer | Pimpinella, ok thanks |
| 13:17.02 | hans_kraus | hi folks |
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| 13:17.11 | larmer | Pimpinella, I tried it but it didn't exist. I try to apt-get it |
| 13:17.12 | Anthro | This is more general Linux than Debian, but it's on a Debian system. I need to use port 443 for both SSH and HTTPS. Right now I am using a little protocol detector program I wrote (which uses MSG_PEEK) that runs from inetd and execs /usr/bin/socket to the right port. I'd rather do this in iptables/ipchains, if possible, but I don't know how. Can anyone help me with that? |
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| 13:17.18 | azeem | Zmanu: try "apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird=1.0.2-2" then |
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| 13:17.20 | tralala | lestest: does the disk behave? don't bother running badblocks |
| 13:17.34 | Pimpinella | !find sox |
| 13:17.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'sox' (2): sox ;; sox-dev. |
| 13:17.50 | DeadS0ul | !find kopete |
| 13:17.55 | DeadS0ul | =( |
| 13:18.04 | Genghis | Pimpinella: Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) => ACCEPT all -- anywhere |
| 13:18.24 | lestest | tralala: the disk works |
| 13:18.27 | mzilikazi64 | need a firewire howto |
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| 13:18.51 | tralala | lestest: why would you want to run badblocks then? |
| 13:18.53 | Pimpinella | Genghis: it's not iptables that blocks then |
| 13:19.28 | Pimpinella | (presumed you didn't hide important parts here) |
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| 13:19.55 | lestest | its a default option of fai |
| 13:19.57 | Pimpinella | larmer: found sox? |
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| 13:20.15 | tralala | lestest: disable it |
| 13:20.18 | tomiq | Anthro: can I ask what's the purpose of doing that? It seems a little funny to me... I think there is a reason that every service has the port of it's own.. |
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| 13:20.28 | lestest | tralala: done it after talking here |
| 13:20.32 | tralala | lestest: and file a bugreport |
| 13:20.36 | lestest | tralala: are you nervous? |
| 13:20.39 | henk | Hi, I made a util with a Makefile. If i build the tool all goes well. The Makefile builds some files and copies them and some other files from the source dir to the filesystem. Not problem there. But i'm trying to make a .deb from it. I use dh_make to create the enviroment, edit the control en changelog file etc. I build with dpkg_buildpackage -rfakeroot. Build goes ok and .deb is made. But if i install the deb on an other machine the files that |
| 13:20.39 | henk | are copied to the filesystem in the Makefile are not found. It seems the deb does not include them. what am i doing wrong |
| 13:20.53 | Bob332 | im stuch on etches installer, it wont find my megaraid scsi....anyone know how to fix this? |
| 13:20.54 | tralala | lestest: no, but I'm sorry if I sound harsh |
| 13:21.02 | antgel | Anthro: if you are trying to do that, fix your design |
| 13:21.10 | antgel | Bob332: does it work with the sarge installer? |
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| 13:21.33 | saloxin | recommendations for commercial virus scanners running on debian? |
| 13:21.36 | Anthro | tomiq: The reason is that I need https:// URLs to work, but I am often behind a firewall that only allows direct connections to port 443 and I want to be able to ssh to my machine. |
| 13:21.41 | wouterrr | guyes |
| 13:21.46 | tomiq | Bob332: this shlould be your boot disk? |
| 13:21.46 | wouterrr | what is the most simple way to edit a debian package? |
| 13:21.48 | Anthro | antgel: Fix my design? |
| 13:21.57 | wouterrr | i need to add one option to courier-authdaemon |
| 13:21.57 | Bob332 | antgel, nope..because of kernel 2.6.8. megaraid was supposed to be installed in 2.6.10 and later |
| 13:22.00 | wouterrr | i wondered how to |
| 13:22.01 | Bob332 | which is etch |
| 13:22.02 | lestest | tralala: no problem |
| 13:22.15 | antgel | Anthro: fix whatever it is that is forcing you to bodge this :) |
| 13:22.17 | Anthro | wouterrr: apt-get source <package> && apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 13:22.19 | azeem | henk: debian packages are made in such a way that the files are installed into a staging directory like debian/tmp and the .deb is assembled from there later on |
| 13:22.29 | Anthro | antgel: Externally enforced network policies. |
| 13:22.44 | wouterrr | Anthro: but i have to add a ./configure option |
| 13:22.46 | wouterrr | --with-vchkpw |
| 13:22.46 | embrik | how do I install libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.9-1_i386? with apt-get install |
| 13:22.51 | azeem | henk: this is achieved by calling make install with DESTDIR=debian/tmp, if your Makefile does nto handle that, you will need to fix it |
| 13:22.59 | lestest | is there a way to get the eth1 address withouth playing with ifconfig+cut? |
| 13:23.22 | antgel | Bob332: check the kernel config. does knoppix detect it? you could boot knoppix and do a debootstrap install |
| 13:23.23 | mufa | hi, when I try to instlal postfix on unstable, I got a seg fault when running postalias hash:/etc/aliases. Any idea why and how could I fix it? |
| 13:23.26 | Anthro | wouterrr: Uh-huh. So you get the source package, which unpacks to a directory full of source. You modify the source directory, then use dpkg-buildpackage to compile it into an installable package. |
| 13:23.27 | tomiq | Anthro: and you have no way how to configure that firewall? |
| 13:23.30 | FallOnMe | well you can use awk instead of cut <g> |
| 13:23.32 | henk | azeem, ok so i should put that DESTDIR in the top of my makefile and i should be ok ? |
| 13:23.39 | Anthro | tomiq: I do not control that firewall. |
| 13:23.39 | antgel | Anthro: externally? how are you bound by external forces? |
| 13:23.42 | azeem | henk: no |
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| 13:23.55 | wouterrr | Anthro: but then i don't have the ./configure options the maintainers has ? |
| 13:23.55 | relic | s/awk/c |
| 13:23.58 | azeem | henk: your install target should not install to, say, /usr/bin, but rather $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin |
| 13:24.02 | zinx | lestest: 1) there can be multiple addresses for eth1. 2) you can use the ioctls, like ifconfig/ip addr do. |
| 13:24.16 | Anthro | antgel: Well, I go to work and, at some sites, there is a firewall I do not control. |
| 13:24.23 | Pimpinella | embrik: like any other package? |
| 13:24.28 | henk | azeem, ah ok isee i'll fix my makefile |
| 13:24.34 | azeem | henk: usually, DESTDIR would be empty and the program be installed to /usr/bin. During .deb creation DESTDIR would point to debian/tmp and the files would end up there |
| 13:24.34 | larmer | Pimpinella, found sox..? |
| 13:24.37 | Anthro | wouterrr: That's the point, isn't it? You want to change the configuration. |
| 13:24.51 | antgel | Anthro: i don't think we should help you violate your employer's policy |
| 13:24.57 | Pimpinella | larmer: play is in package sox |
| 13:24.57 | azeem | henk: if all is trivial, you can just cp/install the files to debian/tmp in debian/rules' install target |
| 13:25.11 | wouterrr | i want to add an option. your dpkg-buildpackage works, except for one thing. i don't know where to add the --with-authvchkpw option in the source |
| 13:25.13 | larmer | Pimpinella, aah yes, I didn't found it |
| 13:25.18 | larmer | *find |
| 13:25.19 | Anthro | antgel: See, here's the thing. I am already succeeding in doing so. I just want to do it better. |
| 13:25.23 | Bob332 | antgel, i have no idea how to do that, yes works in knoppix |
| 13:25.24 | azeem | wouterrr: debian/rules, configure target |
| 13:25.29 | lestest | zinx: I mean for a particular interface |
| 13:25.32 | larmer | Pimpinella, but it doesn't matter, I have a player already |
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| 13:25.38 | zinx | lestest: so do i. |
| 13:25.43 | antgel | Anthro: same applies |
| 13:25.50 | wouterrr | azeem & Anthro: i love you both! |
| 13:25.52 | wouterrr | thanks |
| 13:25.56 | azeem | zinx: I think he means the hardware address |
| 13:25.57 | zinx | lestest: 2.6.x allows multiple addresses per interface (i.e., not alias) |
| 13:26.00 | antgel | !tell Bob332 about ig |
| 13:26.00 | Anthro | wouterrr: Sure. Good luck. |
| 13:26.01 | lestest | zinx: ioctls ? |
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| 13:26.27 | zinx | lestest: if you do mean hardware address, you can use /sys/class/net/eth0/address |
| 13:26.30 | relic | hehe |
| 13:26.38 | lestest | zinx: I mean the IP address |
| 13:26.44 | azeem | heh |
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| 13:26.46 | zinx | lestest: that's what i figured |
| 13:26.48 | tomiq | Anthro: it's not good then... don't know how to redirect the port... you have made some router program you was talking about... |
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| 13:27.15 | antgel | !seen dondelelcaro |
| 13:27.16 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is currently on #debian (4d 7h 20m 52s) #debian-women (4d 7h 20m 52s) #debian-ops (4d 7h 20m 52s) #debian-bots (4d 7h 20m 52s) #hug-bunny (4d 7h 20m 52s). Has said a total of 66566 messages. Is idling for 4h 59m 32s |
| 13:27.31 | Anthro | antgel: Would it be better if I simply ran ssh on port 443 and HTTPS on another port? It's mostly a matter of convenience. |
| 13:27.38 | lestest | zinx: hence I need to play with grep+cut? |
| 13:27.45 | tralala | lestest: maybe iproute2 can give you information that's easier to parse |
| 13:27.55 | zinx | lestest: if you don't want to program, then yes |
| 13:28.00 | Bob332 | antgel, what am i looking for in here, the debootstrap install? |
| 13:28.06 | tralala | but I don't think you can avoid the parsing at all |
| 13:28.09 | Anthro | antgel: There is no written policy disallowing SSH, or even connections to ports other than 443. It's just a firewall policy. |
| 13:28.11 | antgel | Anthro: i would run things on default ports so i didn't have to remember which is which |
| 13:28.32 | lestest | zinx: I need some shell stuff |
| 13:29.05 | lestest | tralala: I don't think iproute |
| 13:29.11 | wouterrr | Anthro: one last question. If i want to have a different version number, how do i do this? |
| 13:29.12 | antgel | Anthro: when you say it's *just* a firewall policy, what does that mean? it's still a policy? if it's not a violation of your employer's policy, i'm sure that IS will open the ports for you |
| 13:29.18 | lestest | is in the installation env |
| 13:29.20 | wouterrr | Just adding info to the changelog in debian ? |
| 13:29.22 | Genghis | any other firewalls that come recomended? |
| 13:29.33 | Genghis | cause i'm sick of this shit |
| 13:29.39 | Anthro | wouterrr: Er, I don't remember. Take a look at the new maintainer's guide on debian.org |
| 13:29.45 | npx | Genghis, shorewall? |
| 13:30.01 | antgel | Bob332: um, as you haven't read it, you're looking at all of it. it is the installation guide, after all. but yes, there is a debootstrap section |
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| 13:30.12 | henk | azeem, it looks like dpkg_buildpkg runs debian/rules install and that calls my makefile with set destdir env var set right ? |
| 13:30.13 | Anthro | antgel: Ever try to deal with a Windows-centric IT bureaucracy? Under the radar is worlds better. |
| 13:30.21 | azeem | henk: right |
| 13:30.23 | Genghis | can it have specific filtering for different ip's @ npx? |
| 13:30.35 | extr3m | anyone know what devicename gets assigned when i use ndiswrapper to install a soundcard driver? |
| 13:30.37 | tralala | Genghis: for what purpose? For my own workstations I use iptables directly because my list has about 10-15 rules and I find the other solutions to be an overkill |
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| 13:30.49 | embrik | pimpenella: it doesn't work, do I have to fill in a new adresse in sources.list? |
| 13:30.51 | Shadur | Genghis: Any iptables firewall can do that. |
| 13:31.00 | Pimpinella | Genghis: i'd recommend to use iptabled directly, if you need more zorp might be interesting for you |
| 13:31.03 | antgel | Anthro: 1. yes. 2. it might be better for you but #debian is still not going to help you violate your employer's policy. i am willing for an op to disagree with me on this |
| 13:31.12 | Pimpinella | Genghis: iptables |
| 13:31.34 | Anthro | antgel: I'd be surprised to hear an op bother to agree or disagree. |
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| 13:31.48 | azeem | wouterrr: apt-get install devscripts, dch |
| 13:31.52 | henk | azeem, ok that should get me going again thanx |
| 13:32.02 | randey | I have Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 13:32.12 | randey | I am able to probe ipw2200 |
| 13:32.22 | randey | but it is not shown as eth1 |
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| 13:32.52 | antgel | Anthro: at this time of day, indeed :) |
| 13:33.23 | Anthro | randey: If you want it to be eth1, you can add it as an alias in /etc/modutils/aliases and run update-modules, then reboot. |
| 13:33.52 | azeem | randey: is it shown at all? |
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| 13:34.07 | randey | azeem no |
| 13:34.08 | embrik | pimpinella: Why doesn't this work? Do I have to put a new adrese into sources.list? apt-get install libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.9-1_i386 |
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| 13:34.36 | logg | I have a problem with the skype package depending on libqt3c102-mt. I have libqt3-mt, which works. anyone else ? |
| 13:34.37 | azeem | randey: does dmesg | grep eth or dmesg | grep ipw show something interesting? |
| 13:35.02 | randey | azeem : dmesg shows that intel pro ... |
| 13:35.13 | redguy|work | embrik: tried apt-get install libdvdcss2-dev ? |
| 13:35.16 | randey | Anthro : there is no entry in aliases |
| 13:35.23 | antgel | !skype |
| 13:35.23 | dpkg | it has been said that skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 13:35.34 | antgel | grr there is a factoid for that |
| 13:35.34 | randey | I think I should give the proper entry |
| 13:35.35 | Anthro | randey: No, you will have to add it. |
| 13:36.01 | randey | but I am able to modprobe it |
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| 13:36.27 | embrik | pimpemella: doesn't find the package |
| 13:36.29 | zinx | lestest: /sbin/ifconfig eth1 | sed -nre 's/^ *inet addr:([0-9.]+) .*$/\1/;T;p' |
| 13:36.34 | Anthro | randey: Yes. You want to control what it comes up as. That means it needs an alias. Otherwise it comes up as whatever is automatically generated. |
| 13:36.49 | logg | antgel: I know that, but i would like to talk to my friend. You have an alternative ? |
| 13:36.51 | zinx | lestest: requires gnu sed.. switch out the ()'s and + and remove the r for non-gnu sed |
| 13:37.45 | row | Hi, I have install tftp and dhcp3 as required in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch04s04.html.en to netboot and I am getting ips fine talks to tftp then I get this in syslog "in.tftpd[6357]: tftp: client does not accept options", I have googled it but I am still not sure what the error means exactly, anyone able to shed some light onto this for me? |
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| 13:38.12 | Pimpinella | embrik: if you have a package locally available you want to install it using 'dpkg -i' |
| 13:38.22 | lestest | zinx: i wrote /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep -w inet | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d ' ' -f 1 |
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| 13:38.33 | antgel | logg: you missed my point. there's a factoid relating to the specific dependancy problem. my bot-fu is not of the calibre to find it. as you asked for an alternative anyway, may i suggest *shock horror* the telephone? |
| 13:38.33 | lestest | much portable? |
| 13:38.55 | embrik | Pimpinell: Yes, of course :-) |
| 13:38.57 | azeem | logg: or just google for it, this must be an FAQ |
| 13:38.59 | Pimpinella | embrik: if you want to install it from an apt source you need to name the source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:39.28 | lestest | zinx: anyway thankz ) |
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| 13:40.55 | crashbg[work] | how can i set my fqdn? i have "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost rt" in hosts and "rt" in hostname |
| 13:41.01 | logg | azeem: I did that |
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| 13:41.05 | crashbg[work] | lets say my domain is test.com |
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| 13:41.21 | crashbg[work] | and the hostname of the router is rt |
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| 13:41.53 | antgel | crashbg[work]: man hosts |
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| 13:41.56 | crashbg[work] | i've setup bind9 and its working |
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| 13:42.20 | my-dea|Bl | hi all, have some trouble with configuring qmailadmin. i added a new domain with vadddomain and now want to login as postmaster but i get all the time an invalid login. What did i wrong? any ideas? |
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| 13:43.15 | embrik | Pimpinella: I've tried to put this line into sources.list: http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/ , but I got an error-message. I couldn't install it with dpkg either |
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| 13:43.42 | antgel | !tell my-dea|Bl about qmail |
| 13:43.51 | embrik | Pimpenella: maybe I use the wrong version of libdvdcss? |
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| 13:45.03 | logg | antgel: if your bot-fu can't find it, mine certainly won't ;). how does one go about finding factoids ? |
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| 13:45.30 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 13:45.42 | antgel | logg: not a clue. that's the problem |
| 13:45.51 | DaBlade | Is there a way to undo apt-get upgrades |
| 13:46.13 | randey | Is ndiswrapper required for Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG ? |
| 13:46.44 | DaBlade | Hello, anyone |
| 13:46.51 | antgel | DaBlade: why? |
| 13:47.02 | antgel | DaBlade: be more patient |
| 13:47.13 | DaBlade | Because after doing apt-get upgrade, Im stranded in CLI |
| 13:47.16 | DaBlade | Xorg wont start |
| 13:47.22 | tralala | DaBlade: no, there isn't (not easy at least) |
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| 13:47.29 | DaBlade | dammit |
| 13:47.31 | antgel | DaBlade: and what release of debian are you running? |
| 13:47.35 | SimonRaven | stranded he says |
| 13:47.41 | Ronin | bluefox83: then fix xorg |
| 13:48.13 | DaBlade | antgel, Im sure you guys arent going to like this, but Im running MEPIS. The package repos are the same though |
| 13:48.27 | DaBlade | MEPIS isnt competing with Debian in any way. Ubuntu is, but not MEPIS. |
| 13:48.28 | Ronin | DaBlade: think your in the wrong channel then |
| 13:48.36 | DaBlade | #mepis is idle |
| 13:48.50 | DaBlade | Please help anyway, the system is practically the same |
| 13:49.00 | DaBlade | sid/etch or something like tht |
| 13:49.04 | tralala | DaBlade: anyway if it is apt-get based you cannot downgrade easily |
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| 13:49.14 | DaBlade | I did it with Synaptic |
| 13:49.18 | antgel | DaBlade: actually i couldn't care one way or another. if #mepis is idle, perhaps you should install a distro with better free support, or pay somebody to support your install |
| 13:49.37 | DaBlade | But now that Im without X, I cant go into synaptic |
| 13:49.40 | tralala | DaBlade: it is still apt-get based |
| 13:49.45 | mufa | hi, when I try to instlal postfix on unstable, I got a seg fault when running postalias hash:/etc/aliases. Any idea why and how could I fix it? |
| 13:49.52 | DaBlade | tralala, I know |
| 13:50.02 | zork7 | . |
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| 13:50.48 | antgel | DaBlade: it's probably a good thing that you can't go into synaptic because given the chance you might hose your system |
| 13:51.08 | DaBlade | ... |
| 13:51.09 | tralala | DaBlade: which means no going back |
| 13:51.21 | DaBlade | antgel, can you at least try to help |
| 13:51.26 | zork7 | mufa: if you cant fix it dont use sid |
| 13:51.30 | antgel | DaBlade: i already did. ^^ |
| 13:51.48 | relic | rm -rf / |
| 13:51.53 | antgel | relic: NO |
| 13:51.57 | relic | :( |
| 13:52.01 | mufa | zork7, thanks, u are helpfull :) |
| 13:52.06 | embrik | Anybody: How do I install libdvdcss? I get dependency-errors all the time. Tried to install libdvdcss different versions by dbkg |
| 13:52.16 | DaBlade | ok, if I cant fix it with apt, can you look at the Xorg log and see if I can do it there please guys |
| 13:52.20 | DaBlade | pastebin.com/444850 |
| 13:52.55 | antgel | DaBlade: you're not listening. you don't run debian. this is a debian support channel. please stop |
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| 13:53.20 | DaBlade | antgel, alright then... |
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| 13:54.51 | Ronin | not that i run either mind you |
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| 13:56.21 | Makyardo | hmm |
| 13:56.28 | Makyardo | can anyone help me with ipv6 ? |
| 13:56.36 | Makyardo | why doesnt it wanna work on debian |
| 13:56.43 | Makyardo | i have ipv6 support |
| 13:56.47 | Makyardo | and everything |
| 13:56.48 | Makyardo | :S |
| 13:56.58 | DeadS0ul | what're you using it for if you don't mind me asking |
| 13:57.08 | Makyardo | IRC |
| 13:57.09 | Makyardo | :P |
| 13:57.36 | tralala | Makyardo: because internet is not ipv6 enabled |
| 13:57.38 | tralala | yet |
| 13:57.51 | zork7 | lol |
| 13:57.53 | Ronin | at least not on all networks |
| 13:58.00 | Makyardo | :o |
| 13:58.15 | tralala | Makyardo: have a look at this http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ |
| 13:58.17 | mirak | anyone nkow how to configure lxr ? |
| 13:58.34 | pureone | you need a ipv6 tunnel |
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| 13:58.59 | Makyardo | well i did |
| 13:59.03 | Makyardo | tunnelbroker.net |
| 13:59.33 | Makyardo | i think my debian doesnt want to make a new interface |
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| 13:59.58 | SimonRaven | user error |
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| 14:00.20 | man_in_ltop | what's the easiest way to get java support in web browsers using etch? |
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| 14:00.35 | Ronin | man_in_ltop: msg dpkg about java |
| 14:00.38 | jm_ | man_in_ltop: the hint from topic doesn't work? |
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| 14:01.10 | Ronin | hot damn coffee time |
| 14:01.23 | henk | So i have now succesfuly built my package and i have it on a repository. How can i sign my package ? |
| 14:01.32 | man_in_ltop | sorry |
| 14:01.33 | man_in_ltop | didn't even look at it :( |
| 14:02.19 | logg | ok, found skype dependency fix: use alien fedora rpm to create deb, that fixes the libqt3c102 dependency |
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| 14:02.27 | sniegena | hello, i have a problem, mysql is running everything is ok, when i try to access it through web, phpmyadmin it doesn't log me in, what is the problem? |
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| 14:02.32 | embrik | Anybody: who wants to help me installing libdvdcss in my sarge distro? Can't make it with dpkg or apt-get :-( |
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| 14:02.45 | Sander | hi there |
| 14:02.49 | Sander | Im reinstalling my debian |
| 14:02.57 | Sander | that I thought was sarge |
| 14:03.15 | Sander | when is installing, I saw, 2.4xxxspeak-up kernel |
| 14:03.18 | Sander | that is correct ?? |
| 14:03.33 | Zmanu | speakup kernel is to use braille |
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| 14:03.39 | pureone | !libdvdcss |
| 14:03.39 | dpkg | it has been said that libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 14:03.45 | edrin | updating to another kernel with aptitude, does this adapt the /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf automatically? |
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| 14:03.56 | Sander | hello |
| 14:04.41 | man_in_ltop | umm |
| 14:04.41 | man_in_ltop | wouldn't libdvdcss have to be installed for those files to exist? |
| 14:04.52 | Pimpinella | embrik: which distro? |
| 14:04.55 | `9m4re` | re * |
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| 14:05.15 | embrik | sarge |
| 14:06.00 | embrik | man:in:top: should think so.. |
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| 14:06.18 | zork7 | for all you wanting java support here is a small repo with java packages: http://www.kofeina.net/eloy/debian/ |
| 14:06.23 | Pimpinella | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 14:06.25 | Sander | what to d o ?? |
| 14:06.31 | Sander | Do a new download of sarge ?? |
| 14:06.32 | embrik | tried to use marillat in sources.list, but it was too old |
| 14:06.40 | Pimpinella | adding this to your sources list might fix your problem |
| 14:06.42 | man_in_ltop | zOrK, ty |
| 14:06.43 | embrik | What's happened to marrilat? |
| 14:06.52 | sniegena | hello, i have a problem, mysql is running everything is ok, when i try to access it through web, phpmyadmin it doesn't log me in, what is the problem? |
| 14:07.00 | azeem | !marillat |
| 14:07.00 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 14:07.36 | Pimpinella | if it's too old marilat might have lost interest, dunno |
| 14:07.39 | embrik | pimpenella: tried marrilat, but was told when trying to install that it was too old.. |
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| 14:09.34 | Jack_D | are there any debs for kde 3.5 yet? |
| 14:09.50 | bibe | sniegena : what kind of authentication does PMA do? config, http, or cookie? |
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| 14:09.56 | Sander | Im reinstalling my debian |
| 14:09.58 | Sander | that I thought was sarge |
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| 14:10.01 | Sander | when is installing, I saw, 2.4xxxspeak-up kernel |
| 14:10.05 | `9m4re` | !find cmedia |
| 14:10.05 | Sander | that is correct ?? |
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| 14:10.26 | RichiH | Pimpinella, embrik: i doubt he lost interest. he answers emails within minutes |
| 14:10.27 | cmdKeen | Can I set bash to wiev possible packages as it does with files (pressing TAB) ? |
| 14:10.34 | man_in_shack | :| |
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| 14:10.44 | Pimpinella | wow |
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| 14:11.30 | azeem | cmdKeen: zsh probably has tab-completion for apt-cache show <pac... |
| 14:11.40 | caphuso | cmdKeen: . /etc/bash_completion |
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| 14:11.55 | Sander | I dont know what to do |
| 14:11.56 | bibe | sniegena : did you get my last message? |
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| 14:12.07 | Sander | Where do I download the CD1 of SARGE ?? |
| 14:12.17 | man_in_shack | cmdKeen, no. that would require a lot of fiddling with source codes and apt-cache |
| 14:13.05 | tralala | Sander: msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:13.27 | cmdKeen | oh... thanks. |
| 14:13.33 | bibe | Sander : www.debian.org -> CD ISO images -> Download via HTTP/FTP |
| 14:13.36 | caphuso | man_in_shack: in what century are you living? |
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| 14:14.05 | Sander | Im going there |
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| 14:14.23 | embrik | Pimpenella: his mail adresse? |
| 14:14.40 | Alex_BO2 | HELLO!I'd like to set an automatic start for a script when I press a specific key. What programs can i use? |
| 14:14.40 | `9m4re` | !find audio |
| 14:14.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'audio' (15 of 38): audiolink ;; audiooss ;; gnome-audio ;; gr-audio-alsa ;; gr-audio-oss ;; gstreamer0.8-audiofile ;; gstreamer0.8-polypaudio ;; kaudiocreator ;; libarts1-audiofile ;; libaudio-cd-perl ;; libaudio-dev ;; libaudio-file-perl ;; libaudio-flac-decoder-perl ;; libaudio-flac-header-perl ;; libaudio-flac-perl. |
| 14:14.44 | caphuso | date: 2000/10/09 20:07:50; author: ianmacd; state: Exp; lines: +164 -16 |
| 14:14.44 | bibe | Sander : I wonder why you didn't go there before... ;) |
| 14:14.45 | caphuso | added Debian apt-get & apt-cache completion |
| 14:14.51 | Knight_Lord | I have a strange problem with rand(). I'm trying to create an MPI program. I'm running on 2 processes and rand() gives different results on the 2 processes. |
| 14:14.58 | Sander | because Im crazy |
| 14:15.01 | Sander | bibe, |
| 14:15.01 | Sander | eheheh |
| 14:15.03 | cmdKeen | I am trying to install gnome, but when I instal gnome-desktop-enviroiment a log in from gdm it displayas debian logo and ends here. Any ideas how to find out what's wrong ? |
| 14:15.11 | Sander | I will download just the first CDROM |
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| 14:15.16 | Sander | OR net one |
| 14:15.22 | bibe | Sander : I'd use netinstall |
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| 14:15.31 | Sander | because the Debian, is updated everyday |
| 14:15.31 | embrik | pimpenella: found it :-) the adresse.. |
| 14:15.37 | Sander | yes, netinstall |
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| 14:15.39 | Knight_Lord | It's actually rather weird. I call srand(0); rand() and i get 1088400956 on one and 51938780 on the other |
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| 14:15.42 | vk5hsx | could someone go priv and help with couple q's with apt problem? |
| 14:15.45 | Sander | but at home, i dont have internet |
| 14:15.46 | bibe | Sander : not correct |
| 14:15.50 | Sander | then, Id need all CDs |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: that's why thier random? :) |
| 14:15.59 | abrotman | they're |
| 14:16.08 | `9m4re` | !find cmedia |
| 14:16.13 | Sander | This is a lot of CDs, 14 !!! |
| 14:16.14 | Knight_Lord | abrotman they are amazingly random :-P |
| 14:16.28 | Knight_Lord | abrotman but i need reproducible random numbers |
| 14:16.37 | bibe | Sander : debian "sarge" isn't updated everyday, it only gets security updates from time to time |
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| 14:16.42 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: arent you really using 2 threads but not 2 processes? |
| 14:16.42 | Knight_Lord | abrotman i don't absolutely need but it would be nice |
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| 14:16.51 | Sander | Ok... |
| 14:16.51 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: it's a bit outside the scope of the channel .. but ##c might know ? |
| 14:16.54 | Sander | I have a doubt |
| 14:17.01 | Knight_Lord | valdyn that's a good question |
| 14:17.02 | Sander | why the kernel is speakup |
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| 14:17.12 | vk5hsx | can I get some help please? |
| 14:17.12 | Knight_Lord | oh damn wrong window, sorry |
| 14:17.24 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: so that is your 'issue' |
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| 14:18.36 | bibe | Sander : it's a kernel "flavour": ... This kernel package contains a Linux kernel patched with speakup, a screen reader for the Linux console |
| 14:19.20 | vk5hsx | **some help with apt would be appreciated if possible** |
| 14:19.33 | Sander | ok... |
| 14:19.34 | bibe | Sander : it can be useful to blind people, for instance |
| 14:19.39 | sniegena | what is the problem while mysql can't live with web normally? |
| 14:19.56 | Sander | That means that my CD is updated |
| 14:20.05 | Sander | I downloaded sarge, correctelly |
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| 14:20.12 | Sander | Its not necessary download again |
| 14:20.38 | Zmanu | everything is now ok |
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| 14:21.10 | botsy | hen i install a ldap on linux ... it's necessary i install winbind because i have this error : |
| 14:21.11 | bibe | sniegena : is the mysql server and the web server on the same machine? |
| 14:21.13 | stv | Hello, is there a debian package for k3b (KDE 3.4)? |
| 14:21.23 | vk5hsx | yep |
| 14:21.29 | botsy | [2005/12/01 15:28:53, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smbldap_connect_system(790) |
| 14:21.29 | botsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.29 | botsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.29 | botsy | lib/smbldap.c:smbldap_connect_system(790) |
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| 14:21.43 | Zmanu | my problem with thunderbird is resolv, I remove and install it, i paste all in Local Folders inside which one are in new profile, do the same thing for pop and after change directory inside thunderbird |
| 14:21.45 | stv | vk5hsx: do you know where? |
| 14:21.50 | Zmanu | azeem: tralala mtnman ^^ |
| 14:21.51 | vk5hsx | stv:apt-cache search k3b |
| 14:22.08 | vk5hsx | most repos should have it. |
| 14:22.11 | azeem | Zmanu: so it works now? |
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| 14:22.18 | botsy | sorry for flood |
| 14:22.22 | embrik | stb: apt-get install k3b |
| 14:22.28 | azeem | !paster |
| 14:22.28 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 14:22.40 | Zmanu | azeem: yes |
| 14:22.47 | azeem | Zmanu: cool :) |
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| 14:23.02 | vk5hsx | stb: its on the ftp.au.debian.org site |
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| 14:23.38 | vk5hsx | stb:any debian.org mirror should have it.. closest to you. |
| 14:23.42 | Zmanu | azeem: tralala mtnman a lot of thanks for your help :) |
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| 14:24.57 | Zmanu | so don't forget to do get yout profile, if you must update sarge |
| 14:25.04 | Zmanu | and specialy thunderbird |
| 14:25.14 | vk5hsx | could someone explain this please.. |
| 14:25.25 | vk5hsx | larry:/home/sjdaniels# apt-get install -f |
| 14:25.25 | vk5hsx | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:25.26 | vk5hsx | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 14:25.26 | azeem | thunderbird is a special case, as it had to be updated rather violently |
| 14:25.26 | vk5hsx | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 14:25.27 | vk5hsx | 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 14:25.27 | vk5hsx | Need to get 0B of archives. |
| 14:25.28 | vk5hsx | After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 14:25.29 | stv | vk5hsx: I tried "apt-cache search", and k3b didn't show up. I already had it installed, but fear it is gone when I upgraded from KDE 3.3 to KDE 3.4 |
| 14:25.31 | mtnman | zmanu: you're welcome |
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| 14:26.05 | mtnman | stv: you're running unstable/etch, aren't you? |
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| 14:26.33 | stv | mtnman: I'm running testing/unstable |
| 14:26.42 | mtnman | stv: testing or unstable? |
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| 14:26.59 | stv | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:27.00 | stv | testing/unstable |
| 14:27.20 | mtnman | stv: what does /etc/apt/sources.list reference? |
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| 14:27.50 | henk | How do i sign a .deb i want to distribute ? apt now complains during install |
| 14:27.57 | Zmanu | bye and one more time thanks .... |
| 14:28.14 | stv | mtnman: several sites: ftp.de.debian.org ... testing main non-free contrib |
| 14:28.15 | antgel | stv: if you think that testing/unstable is a debian release, please learn about debian releases /msg dpkg releases |
| 14:28.16 | azeem | henk: you need to sign the release file |
| 14:28.23 | azeem | henk: (I guess you mean that) |
| 14:28.35 | azeem | henk: apt-ftparchive might have support for that, dunno |
| 14:28.51 | stv | antgel: I just listed the contents of my /etc/debian_version, which I didn't modify manually |
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| 14:29.02 | mtnman | stv: testing is in a state of upheaval at this point. new package versions are being added, and k3b's dependencies are not satisfied by testing at this moment. |
| 14:29.15 | runa | hey :) is it possible to know with what specific version of a lib a pkg was compiled? |
| 14:29.15 | stv | that's what I feared ;-/ |
| 14:29.19 | henk | hmm i did not set up a proper repository. So i dont have a releasefile to sign. So i need to set one up i guess |
| 14:29.37 | azeem | henk: how did you manage to use it with apt if you do not have a proper repo? |
| 14:29.49 | antgel | stv: so? |
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| 14:30.13 | antgel | stv: what i said stands even more, it seems |
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| 14:31.44 | henk | azeem, i put " deb ftp://ftp.foo.nl/debs/ ./ " in my sources list and uploaded the debs to that ftp |
| 14:32.16 | henk | so it is almost a repo but not just quite :) |
| 14:32.18 | azeem | henk: oh, so there is a incoming->archive daemon running there? |
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| 14:32.29 | azeem | or just an ftp upload? |
| 14:32.44 | azeem | if the latter, you need to generate Packages and possibly Sources files for apt to chew |
| 14:33.03 | henk | the repo is on my localhost and has an ftp server to allow others to download the package |
| 14:33.18 | henk | no deamons |
| 14:33.25 | azeem | ok |
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| 14:33.33 | henk | i do generate Packages.gz |
| 14:33.46 | azeem | via dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 14:34.00 | henk | azeem, yes |
| 14:34.19 | azeem | ok, then you don't have release signing, which apt barfs upon |
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| 14:34.41 | azeem | as I said, if you use apt-ftparchive instead of dpkg-scanpackages, you might have a release file you could sign |
| 14:34.44 | henk | azeem, ok so i need to set it up better. any hints ? |
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| 14:34.52 | azeem | and import your gpg public key to APT via apt-key or so |
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| 14:35.10 | azeem | henk: but I never did this myself, maybe you can find a HOWTO on the net |
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| 14:35.32 | djp | when installing debian it gives the choice for the way time is configured. i gather that if i am using a debian only system it is adviseable to say yes to the option that appears. however my time is out by roughly 10 minutes. how do i correct this? |
| 14:35.41 | azeem | henk: the other way out is not mandating to have signed release files via APT's "allow-unauthenticated" option o so |
| 14:35.45 | azeem | s/ o / or / |
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| 14:36.10 | azeem | djp: the ntpdate package will sync your system time with internet time servers |
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| 14:36.28 | sphenxes | does a debian-amd64 work on intel Pentiume 64bit system? |
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| 14:36.46 | antgel | !tell djp about ntp |
| 14:36.48 | ViViD | is there a way to extract windows .exe files on linux? |
| 14:36.58 | Guerin | ViViD: some of them are just .zip |
| 14:37.04 | antgel | ViViD: try unzip |
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| 14:37.23 | Arsion | question, is there a way to send a message to another use connected through ssh? |
| 14:37.33 | ViViD | well yea, its either a .rar or a .zip that ive turned into sfe |
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| 14:37.34 | djp | azeem, so was it advisable for me to answer yes ( i forget the option) when installing debian? i know the option was yes if you were only going to be running a linux system... |
| 14:37.35 | Guerin | Arsion: email is the typical way |
| 14:37.35 | Reech | echo "" | wall |
| 14:37.50 | djp | thanks by the way azeem and antgel |
| 14:37.52 | azeem | djp: you can edit that option in /etc/default/rcS or so |
| 14:38.03 | azeem | djp: I think it was a good idea, yes |
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| 14:38.34 | Guerin | sphenxes: does diesel fuel work in your petrol car? |
| 14:38.36 | azeem | djp: 10 minutes off surely has nothing to do with this, this would only apply if it was exaclty multiples of hours off |
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| 14:38.56 | bibe | Arsion : wall will write to ALL connected users, consider using 'write' instead |
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| 14:39.02 | henk | azeem, the releasefile was generated but not signed. |
| 14:39.16 | wpostma | Does anyone know why for instance the "vncserver" package remains perpetually at the old version of vnc, and one has to install a different package name "vnc4server"? |
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| 14:39.24 | Arsion | bibe: write? |
| 14:39.27 | LostNoobs | How I take out the date on header From: => http://pastebin.ca/31955 please ? |
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| 14:39.50 | ViViD | i get error "the utility zip is not in your PATH" when using Ark to open it |
| 14:39.56 | azeem | henk: yeah, that feature is reasonably new, you might need to google a bit or experiment |
| 14:39.58 | Guerin | !installit |
| 14:39.58 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 14:40.20 | bibe | Arsion : if you don't want to email (as Guerin wrote), another way to send a message to a connected user is write |
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| 14:40.38 | Arsion | bibe: checking man now |
| 14:41.04 | bibe | Arsion : btw, Reech's statement was for you |
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| 14:41.32 | zhu | arsion: wall somebody your message |
| 14:41.45 | Guerin | LostNoobs: awk '/^From:/ {print $3, $4, $5, $6, $7}' |
| 14:41.52 | zhu | arsion: write somebody your message |
| 14:41.52 | `9m4re` | where can i set default LANG when debian startup ? |
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| 14:42.09 | LostNoobs | Guerin i but it where ? |
| 14:42.15 | LostNoobs | *put |
| 14:42.20 | stv | mtnman: it seems that I could get k3b when changing from "testing" to "unstable", but that's not a risk I'd take for k3b ;-) |
| 14:42.29 | Guerin | LostNoobs: put it wherever you like |
| 14:42.30 | Arsion | what about talk? |
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| 14:42.40 | Guerin | Arsion: what about mail? |
| 14:42.55 | Guerin | while we're at it, what about RTFM? |
| 14:42.57 | LostNoobs | Guerin :) |
| 14:43.14 | bibe | !beer guerin |
| 14:43.16 | Arsion | Guerin: looking for something more like msn is. they see it instantly and can respond |
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| 14:43.40 | Guerin | Arsion: you want IM |
| 14:43.53 | jbroome | Guerin: wow, if you do apt-get rtfm it pulls up a lot of perl packages. :) |
| 14:44.09 | Arsion | Guerin: trying to check with one of my users to make sure everything is okay now |
| 14:44.10 | Guerin | Arsion: what gives you the right to bug users who choose not to sign into IM or IRC, or check their mail? |
| 14:44.25 | jbroome | ahh, the RT faq manager is called rtfm. :) |
| 14:44.30 | Guerin | Arsion: 'no news is good news' |
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| 14:44.45 | Guerin | jbroome: hah |
| 14:44.48 | Arsion | Guerin: maybe to you lol |
| 14:45.08 | antgel | Arsion: actually in all of unix |
| 14:45.13 | Guerin | Arsion: no, really. If they have problems you can be sure they'll find some way to contact you. |
| 14:45.37 | jbroome | like at 8:30 am when you're still sleeping. bastard users |
| 14:45.40 | Guerin | Arsion: read the bit of RMS's stump speech about GNU, the bit about the printer |
| 14:45.40 | Ronin | ya no kidding Guerin :) |
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| 14:47.06 | Ryushin | I'm trying to push a mail system to about 90% of it's capacity. It's doing virus scanning and delivering mail. I'm watching top, and the load average. But I haven't found any good information one what the load average is telling me. I know it's not a percentage. How does load average work? Right now mine is around 18. |
| 14:47.36 | djp | thanks antgel. have installed ntpdate and time is set correctly now. it appears to have synchronised itself. i gather it will run on startup from now on? |
| 14:47.37 | ViViD | is there any other way to extract an exe? |
| 14:47.41 | Guerin | Ryushin: 18 is high, but not really critical |
| 14:47.47 | Guerin | Ryushin: it's working for its money |
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| 14:47.56 | antgel | djp: install ntp-simple as well. ntpdate only works on boot |
| 14:47.59 | Guerin | ViViD: ask microsoft |
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| 14:48.08 | ViViD | yea right |
| 14:48.12 | Arsion | Guerin: ok, then mail it is. now just have to figure out how to use the command-line mail system |
| 14:48.13 | jbroome | fun from #ubuntu: 09:46 < frogzoo> JulienH: in some ways, ubuntu is better for server purposes than debian because of the package stability |
| 14:48.25 | antgel | jbroome: GRR |
| 14:48.33 | jbroome | i laughed |
| 14:48.42 | djp | antgel, ok, thanks. what does ntp-simple do then? |
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| 14:48.54 | jbroome | 'cause you know, sarge is so cutting edge, and changes like almost daily. :) |
| 14:49.00 | antgel | djp: apt-cache show ntp-simple |
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| 14:49.18 | djp | ah, sorry yes antgel... thanks for the help. |
| 14:49.19 | Guerin | Arsion: echo -e 'hello, this is an email\nbig brother is wating you"| mailx -s "subject" luser@host |
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| 14:50.32 | zork7 | jbroome : ROTFL |
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| 14:50.54 | tralala | !rotfl |
| 14:50.54 | dpkg | methinks rotfl is Rolling On The Floor Laughing, something you're rather unlikely to be able to type in while you do it |
| 14:50.57 | manech | hi |
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| 14:51.16 | Reech | !lmao |
| 14:51.16 | dpkg | somebody said lmao was laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 14:51.21 | manech | is someone who have LocalFolders inside thunderbird can say to me rules on them ? |
| 14:51.25 | Reech | !lollerskates |
| 14:51.35 | Reech | !tats |
| 14:51.37 | antgel | manech: that's not english |
| 14:51.37 | valdyn | Ryushin: load is runnable processes waiting for their turn |
| 14:51.40 | M00nD0g | !list |
| 14:51.40 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to m00nd0g@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 14:51.44 | antgel | !tell Reech about msg the bot |
| 14:51.45 | manech | antgel: sorry |
| 14:51.48 | alfametal | !rofl |
| 14:51.48 | dpkg | rofl is, like, Rolling Over Fat Lesbian, or a Really Old Fat Lesbian |
| 14:51.50 | zork7 | !tits |
| 14:51.50 | dpkg | tits are what men live for |
| 14:51.55 | Reech | !careface |
| 14:52.00 | Ryushin | valdyn: Oh, that makes more since now. |
| 14:52.32 | manech | so I want to know "permissions" on LocalFolder inside thunderbird'profile |
| 14:52.41 | tralala | Reech: there is a special channel where all you can do is play with the bots |
| 14:52.48 | manech | antgel: is it better |
| 14:52.49 | Reech | Coor |
| 14:52.51 | Reech | Whats it called |
| 14:52.52 | tralala | #debian-bots iirc |
| 14:52.59 | antgel | manech: not to me |
| 14:52.59 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 14:53.14 | M00nD0g | Does anyone know where to find more information about the AMD64 Debian port of OpenOffice than in the "Debian GNU/Linux AMD64 HOW-TO" ? |
| 14:53.20 | valdyn | Ryushin: so obviously load value can be different depending on factors that really have nothing to do with your machine being 'on its limits' |
| 14:53.33 | cheal | !tell M00nD0g about amd64 |
| 14:53.35 | tralala | M00nD0g: and debian amd64 homepage |
| 14:53.35 | antgel | M00nD0g: #debian-amd64 |
| 14:53.43 | tralala | *at |
| 14:53.44 | manech | antgel: so if you have thunderbird and have LocalFolders inside, can you say to me owner and read write and execute on them |
| 14:53.55 | manech | is it better |
| 14:54.08 | antgel | manech: i don't use localfolders. in any case, you shouldn't fuck with permissions unless you have to |
| 14:55.42 | slept | what might be the reason for mount: RPC: timed out , the nfsd is running, what can I look for ? |
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| 14:55.53 | M00nD0g | thanks all |
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| 14:56.31 | Guerin | slept: firewall set to DROP |
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| 14:57.11 | slept | oh, should have tought about that, thanks |
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| 14:57.14 | Reech | Using bind9, If a client is set to register name to DNS, ie windows - should it appear at the end of the zone file if " allow-update { any; }; " is set for that zone? and how long should it take |
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| 14:57.46 | botsy | i want to install a ldap on linux ...and i have a problem i don't find any solution on google ... please help me they are the errors here .... http://pastebin.com/444889 |
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| 14:58.32 | Rawplayer | LA |
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| 14:59.18 | Tchiak | I can't get Mozilla 1.7.8 to load .pdf files from the browser. i've already install adobe and run the install script, there is the .so for pdf in the plugins directory of mozzilla but it still won't show pdf's in mozilla |
| 14:59.28 | Tchiak | what could be happening and how do i fix it? |
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| 14:59.44 | petemc | Tchiak: mime types would probably need set up |
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| 14:59.52 | abrotman | and did you restart mozila ? |
| 15:00.04 | Tchiak | yes i restarted mozilla |
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| 15:00.12 | sniegena | does anybody know why my php4 doesn't work with mysql? |
| 15:00.25 | Tchiak | did you compile it to work with mysql sni? |
| 15:00.33 | manech | I want to know if someone use LocalFolder, and if he can say to me the owner, is it root or user, ans permissions on them |
| 15:00.55 | manech | sorry bad chan |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | sniegena: did you load php4-mysql ? |
| 15:01.25 | sniegena | yes i did |
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| 15:02.38 | abrotman | sniegena: and is "extension = mysql.so" or whatever in /etc/php4/apache[2]/php.ini ? |
| 15:02.43 | Tchiak | abrotman any ideas on what's going on? |
| 15:03.11 | botsy | please help me |
| 15:03.21 | abrotman | Tchiak: npoe .. i don't use pdf plugins .. and i actually don't liek them at all :) |
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| 15:03.56 | Tchiak | well my problem is that almost all datasheets provided by chip companies come in .pdf |
| 15:04.06 | sniegena | abauer there is! :) |
| 15:04.07 | Tchiak | and it's a pain to d/l then load them with adobe |
| 15:04.13 | Tchiak | would rather just see it in the browser |
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| 15:04.17 | sniegena | abrotman there is! :) |
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| 15:04.52 | abrotman | sniegena: is this a web page ? |
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| 15:05.14 | abrotman | sniegena: ls /etc/php4/ ... what's in there ? |
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| 15:05.32 | yang | How can i see logs from wtmp.1 ? from last month |
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| 15:05.41 | abrotman | cat ? |
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| 15:05.54 | bbrazil | yang: last -f |
| 15:06.01 | zino | I just tried downgrading unstable to sarge. I've done it a few times before, and it's never painless, but this time I'm stumped: |
| 15:06.08 | subopt | I need to boot and run my laptop rather differently at home than at work. There will need to be different network configurations, some different env vars, and i'll need to sync my ~me space to disk before i leave work, then re-sync it back as soon as i get back to work. Are there any packages that help manage this kind of thing? |
| 15:06.15 | abrotman | doh .. i forgot they're binary .. duh |
| 15:06.24 | zino | Unpacking replacement passwd ... |
| 15:06.24 | zino | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:06.24 | zino | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.24 | zino | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 15:06.33 | Arsion | you've got to love dsl providers that give you unlimited bandwidth use |
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| 15:06.35 | bbrazil | subopt: netenv for the network config |
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| 15:06.43 | zino | Ok, that was a bad idea... |
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| 15:06.51 | subopt | bbrazil: thanks |
| 15:06.51 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:06.51 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 15:06.59 | antgel | subopt: rsync. ifplugd |
| 15:07.02 | bbrazil | subopt: rsync is useful for syncing stuff |
| 15:07.11 | Arsion | what exatly is rsunc for? |
| 15:07.15 | abrotman | !rsync |
| 15:07.16 | dpkg | methinks rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 15:07.16 | Arsion | rsync even |
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| 15:07.30 | subopt | antgel: thanks |
| 15:07.36 | abrotman | i wouldn't exactly say rsync is useful for downloading kernels .. but ok |
| 15:07.44 | antgel | abrotman: i'll thank you to MSG THE BOT! |
| 15:08.04 | abrotman | antgel: thank you man .. |
| 15:08.06 | Tchiak | !pdf |
| 15:08.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, pdf is Pretty Dumb Format, or the Portable Document Format created by Adobe to replace PS for use with Acrobat or viewable with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, adobe reader (free download, but closed source) or gv/gnome-gv. use ps.gz instead! |
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| 15:08.20 | antgel | !tell Tchiak about msg the bot |
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| 15:08.58 | Arsion | so, basically, rsync is useful for mirror sites |
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| 15:09.26 | bibe | Arsion : it's very useful for backups |
| 15:09.43 | zino | *scratches head* I can't very well remove debianutils to get the new (old) passwd in. Now what? |
| 15:09.45 | antgel | Arsion: it's useful for lots of things. see the website |
| 15:09.50 | dli_ | how to use ati (radeo x600)? if I don't need 3d |
| 15:10.09 | antgel | !tell dli_ about drxx |
| 15:10.28 | bibe | dli_ : choose "ati" driver during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-{xfree86,xorg} |
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| 15:10.37 | dli_ | bibe: thanks |
| 15:10.46 | zino | bibi: rsync doesn't do incremental backups. See rdiff-backup for that. |
| 15:10.46 | bibe | dli_ : no problem |
| 15:11.05 | sniegena | abrotman library:/home/tomas/hyip# ls /etc/php4 |
| 15:11.05 | sniegena | apache |
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| 15:11.11 | abrotman | Arsion: it can be used for backups .. moving data from one server to another .. keeping two servers in sync .. making baby jesus cry |
| 15:11.15 | abrotman | sniegena: that's it ? |
| 15:11.18 | sniegena | yes |
| 15:11.20 | sniegena | and then |
| 15:11.24 | abrotman | and then ? |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | !and then |
| 15:11.27 | dpkg | Why not apt now!? |
| 15:11.35 | sniegena | library:/etc/php4/apache# ls |
| 15:11.35 | sniegena | php.ini php.ini-zend_optimizer.bak |
| 15:11.35 | sniegena | library:/etc/php4/apache# |
| 15:11.35 | abrotman | NO AND THEN! |
| 15:11.49 | Quinn_Storm | and then? |
| 15:11.50 | abrotman | sniegena: i'd suspect it's your php.ini .. grep mysql php.ini |
| 15:11.55 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: NO AND THEN! |
| 15:11.55 | tijn | and then what? |
| 15:12.03 | tijn | sitting in a tree |
| 15:12.11 | Arsion | abrotman: but, here is the big question. can it be used to send backups to a WinXp box? |
| 15:12.18 | tijn | c-o-m-pi-l-i-n-g |
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| 15:12.27 | abrotman | Arsion: if there's an rsync client/server for win32 .. |
| 15:12.37 | abrotman | Arsion: i'm sure cygwin has an rsync client |
| 15:12.53 | caphuso | zino: exactly why are you installing a sarge passwd on a testing/unstable system? |
| 15:12.57 | Arsion | bah! cygwin *gags* thats the worst thing ever made IMHO |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | Arsion: you asked |
| 15:13.19 | mtnman | arsion: when you run winxp, you are in bed with the devil |
| 15:13.43 | Arsion | abrotman: i tried cygwin before and just decided to go with debian instead lol |
| 15:13.50 | Arsion | mtnman: do I ever know that |
| 15:13.50 | abrotman | Arsion: and indeed cygwin does have an rsync client |
| 15:14.14 | abrotman | Arsion: i think you misunderstood the point of cygwin .. but oh well |
| 15:14.26 | Arsion | mtnman: but until game devel's start making their games all linux compat, not much can be done about the devil |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | Arsion: happypenguin.org |
| 15:14.40 | sniegena | abrotman http://pastebin.com/444934 |
| 15:14.49 | antgel | Arsion: why is it the worst thing ever made? |
| 15:14.56 | mtnman | arsion: i'm not much of a gamer, so i have no comment. |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | sniegena: and the error you're getting ? |
| 15:15.25 | Arsion | abrotman, antgel: i had nothing but problems with cygwin. I could never get anything to work right in it |
| 15:15.30 | valdyn | there's so many ways to 'use rsync to move backups to windows' its not funny |
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| 15:15.40 | abrotman | valdyn: cups and string! |
| 15:15.49 | mtnman | arsion: however, if you buy games for xp, you're helping to perpetuate the situation |
| 15:15.57 | sniegena | abrotman when I am logging like in phpmyadmin yes? i enter root/password press login and nothing happens!!! it is the same page! when i try to install some scripts which ask root/pass it doesn't install, nothing happens! |
| 15:16.21 | zino | caphuso: I'm downgrading an entire testing setup to stable, and I'm to lazy to reinstall today. |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | sniegena: have you tried a simple <? mysql_connect("blah"); ?> script ? |
| 15:16.35 | Arsion | mtnman: maybe so, but 1 person not buying it isn't going to make that much of a differance in that area. |
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| 15:16.55 | caphuso | zino: great. don't expect in any help with that |
| 15:17.03 | mtnman | arsion: defeatist attitude. being a drop in the bucket is more effective than not. |
| 15:17.10 | zino | No, I guess not. :-) |
| 15:17.17 | sniegena | abrotman no! :) |
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| 15:17.37 | abrotman | sniegena: at least then you know if it's a PHP problem .. or phpmyadmin(incidentally .. pgsql is better!) :) |
| 15:17.38 | antgel | Arsion: the fact that you couldn't get it to work doesn't mean that it is the worse thing ever |
| 15:17.58 | abrotman | Snow: i'd rather you didn't |
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| 15:18.07 | snow | abrotman sorry |
| 15:18.15 | valdyn | Arsion: there's even an rsync windows 'service' |
| 15:18.24 | abrotman | Snow: and no .. i don't want that .. you should NEVER EVER give out username/password to someone unless you can physically strangle them |
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| 15:18.31 | abrotman | err .. root anyways |
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| 15:18.40 | Arsion | mtnman: do you actually think, me not buying say... Blizzard games, is gonna make Blizzard feel bad about me not being able to play it on Linux and make a GNU/Linux version? |
| 15:18.54 | Daveman | yo abrotman |
| 15:19.07 | Arsion | antgel: if i cant get something to work after months of trying, it becomes the worst thing to me...the reason I added IMHO |
| 15:19.10 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:19.12 | Daveman | what's the haps, today, man? |
| 15:19.26 | abrotman | nothing .. work :) |
| 15:19.29 | mtnman | arsion: if you support their model, you are enabling them. your choice. lets drop it, okay? |
| 15:19.30 | Daveman | ah :) |
| 15:19.38 | snow | abauer does mysql should run like : mysqld_safe ? |
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| 15:20.06 | zino | caphuso: I'll bite the unholy bullet and use --force-overwrite. Let's see what that makes explode. Wish me luck. ;-P |
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| 15:20.21 | C3PO | hi |
| 15:20.31 | snow | abrotman any more ideas ? |
| 15:20.37 | ton | could someone help me , i want to connet to internet , but i can not do it,? |
| 15:20.39 | snow | what should it be in the 'blah' place ? |
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| 15:20.39 | C3PO | how can I view web quicktime movies? |
| 15:20.41 | _Roey | hello |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | snow: yeah . stop telling abauer about your problems :) |
| 15:20.51 | Daveman | :P |
| 15:20.54 | antgel | ton: ask a proper question |
| 15:20.58 | snow | abrotman the tab.. |
| 15:21.00 | valdyn | ton: read the faq, try it, come back, ask specific questions |
| 15:21.14 | abrotman | snow: anyways .. did the simple script work ? |
| 15:21.30 | snow | I am so lame |
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| 15:21.39 | snow | that i can't figure out what should be in the blah place |
| 15:21.40 | _Roey | I'm trying to install Debian Etch on a Dell Poweredge 1850. The SCSI drivers are 'metaraid_box' and 'megaraid_mm', but they do not appear in the disk driver list!! what should I do? |
| 15:21.45 | snow | if nothing, then it doesn't :) |
| 15:21.51 | ton | ok , i have downloaded basic debian installation, and my problem is can't connect to internet ? |
| 15:21.56 | Daveman | !beer Arsion |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | snow: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | !dell |
| 15:22.13 | snow | ton do your ISP uses DHCP or static addresses? |
| 15:22.14 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 15:22.16 | Daveman | haha |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | _Roey: ^^ |
| 15:22.30 | Daveman | lollerphp |
| 15:22.31 | antgel | ton: what documentation have you read on this? |
| 15:22.40 | Daveman | :O |
| 15:22.44 | ton | nothing yet |
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| 15:22.58 | ton | could you tell me some how to ? |
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| 15:23.06 | ton | antgel |
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| 15:23.28 | snow | abrotman :D Connected successfully |
| 15:23.30 | valdyn | !2.6.12 |
| 15:23.31 | dpkg | [2.6.12] Kernel 2.6.12 has changes which require looking at.udev users need to use 0.58. VMware is known to have patches. Virtual midi alsa is also not included would appear, alsa 1.0.9 modules from alsa-source fixes. the kernel in which the new kernel packaging was introduced. see http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html for the list of new binary packages built |
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| 15:23.45 | antgel | ton: go and read the documentation then or pay us |
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| 15:23.48 | abrotman | Snow: then it sounds like a phpmyadmin issue .. and i know nothing about phpmyadmin .. |
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| 15:24.05 | antgel | abrotman: thanks for trying |
| 15:24.16 | snow | abrotman it can't be phpmyadmin |
| 15:24.20 | snow | I am trying with an script |
| 15:24.21 | abrotman | snow: though there is a #phpmyadmin |
| 15:24.25 | snow | which asks to install their software |
| 15:24.26 | abrotman | snow? |
| 15:24.29 | ton | ok i choose the first , could you tell me where could i find information about it ? |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | oh .. then i really really have no idea :) |
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| 15:24.35 | snow | like enter mysql user i enter it |
| 15:24.36 | ton | antgel |
| 15:24.41 | snow | password |
| 15:24.42 | snow | database name |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | snow: apt-get install phpmyadmin ? |
| 15:24.43 | riot | i can't get fglrx back to use opengl since the last update. The libraries all seem to be fglrx's.. What can i do? |
| 15:24.44 | snow | and nothing! :) |
| 15:24.48 | snow | abauer yes! :) |
| 15:24.49 | valdyn | !ig |
| 15:24.49 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 15:24.50 | snow | there is one ;) |
| 15:24.50 | henk | does cron-apt need the packages to be signed or are self-built packages ok for cron-apt |
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| 15:24.59 | abrotman | poor abauer |
| 15:25.03 | valdyn | ton: read the install guide as dpkg told |
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| 15:25.35 | antgel | !tell ton about grounding |
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| 15:26.21 | _Roey | abrotman: thank you |
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| 15:26.41 | abrotman | _Roey: not really sure it will work .. but worth a shot |
| 15:27.12 | _Roey | abrotman: oh! I've come across that page, but I didn't relaize they had ISOs. |
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| 15:27.17 | C3PO | hi |
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| 15:27.21 | abrotman | _Roey: OH .. OH OH ! |
| 15:27.26 | _Roey | heh |
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| 15:27.49 | snow | if you enter wrong database user/password |
| 15:27.56 | loopdee | uh oh, now when i mount my winxp partition or try to boot with it the whole system freezes... houston i think i have a problem lol |
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| 15:28.13 | _Roey | abrotman: is there an easy upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 15:28.20 | aarkerio | Hi! where is set the PATH variable for all the users? |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | !tell _Roey about sarge->etch |
| 15:28.48 | riot | has anyone "powernowd" installed? After installing it here, it began throttling down my cpu - which crashed after -200 mhz... the init.d-script claimed, there were no configuration files (sid) |
| 15:28.48 | _Roey | abrotman: hehehe thanks |
| 15:28.52 | antgel | _Roey: are you sure you want etch on a server? |
| 15:28.56 | _Roey | !tell me about etch->sarge |
| 15:29.03 | _Roey | antgel: no |
| 15:29.09 | _Roey | antgel: this is an internet-facing server. |
| 15:29.12 | antgel | _Roey: then use sarge |
| 15:29.18 | _Roey | antgel: ok. But what about vservers? |
| 15:29.22 | _Roey | er, vserver. |
| 15:29.28 | _Roey | does that jive with Sarge? |
| 15:29.31 | antgel | _Roey: that means nothing to me |
| 15:29.37 | _Roey | antgel: ok. |
| 15:30.04 | eleftherios | I have been using an etch dedicated server for 157 days now without any problems (not for mission critical situations of course) |
| 15:30.14 | antgel | !info vserver sarge |
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| 15:31.29 | riot | i hate mesa.. |
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| 15:33.25 | Bob332 | anyone know of a distro with snort built in? kinda like a security IDS distro? |
| 15:33.43 | runa | Bob332: there's one knoppix version for security audits |
| 15:33.50 | runa | Bob332: I don't remember the name |
| 15:33.51 | Bob332 | runa, yea, the std |
| 15:33.55 | jbroome | knoppix-STD? |
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| 15:34.00 | runa | right |
| 15:34.06 | mtnman | bob332: ipcop is a firewall distro that includes snort, iirc. also snort is in debian, iirc. |
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| 15:35.26 | thingfish | yes, snort is in debian. |
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| 15:36.06 | Bob332 | mtnman, thanks man, Heard of Ipcop before. Never heard of iirc whats that? |
| 15:36.15 | mtnman | !iirc |
| 15:36.16 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 15:37.09 | mtnman | actually, it is an abbreviation, not an acronym |
| 15:37.10 | riot | how can i switch from mesa to ati's fglrx? since the last update gl won't work anymore.. |
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| 15:37.24 | loca|host | what's the best ftp daemon to use ? |
| 15:37.29 | riot | loca|host: vsftpd |
| 15:37.48 | Bob332 | local, i like vsftp too |
| 15:37.50 | Bob332 | kicks butt |
| 15:37.51 | Arsion | got a question for everyone. if you are running a server and have unlimited bandwidth, should you offer your services with unlimimted bandwidth, or still put a limit on your users? |
| 15:37.54 | Bob332 | easy to admin |
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| 15:38.22 | Bob332 | Arsion, limit them fools. or else they will be backing up their 30 gig outlook pst's to yoyr server |
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| 15:38.34 | riot | loca|host: vsftpd stands for very secure ftp daemon.. which should stand for itself :) |
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| 15:39.18 | Arsion | Bob332: haha, they couldnt even do that with unlimited bandwidth. i still keep their space limited. |
| 15:39.18 | loca|host | it's what i used |
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| 15:40.36 | loca|host | the problem that i've setted up apache2 + php5.1 + Mysql 4.1 + vsftpd on debian sarge 3.1 on a 3 Ghz Pentium 4 with 1Gb DDR Memory, and i get 980 Used megs in memory without getting any activity on the server |
| 15:40.49 | loca|host | am seeking were is the hole |
| 15:40.53 | snow | [Thu Dec 1 17:40:33 2005] [error] PHP Warning: Unknown(): POST Content-Length of 87 bytes exceeds the limit of 28 bytes in Unknown on line 0 |
| 15:40.58 | snow | what does this error contain ? |
| 15:41.16 | Arsion | also, another question. when it comes time for me to upgrade my server to add some more hd's, how would I go about setting up the hd in debian? |
| 15:41.54 | antgel | Arsion: same way as in any linux |
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| 15:42.14 | thingfish | Arsion: you'd just define it in /etc/fstab and mount it, easy normally. |
| 15:42.27 | jsz | I just inserted a wireless network card, how do I make sure it's working? |
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| 15:42.47 | Arsion | thingfish: thats it? dont have to run a program to partition it or anything? |
| 15:42.55 | antgel | jsz: you try to use it |
| 15:43.12 | antgel | !tell Arsion about cfdisk |
| 15:43.20 | jsz | I can see it in lspci |
| 15:44.05 | Arsion | jsz: can you see it in ifconfig or iwconfig? |
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| 15:44.17 | Shockcore | if i have a dir like /test and i want to tar it with tar -cvvf test.tar /test how can i exclude a folder like /test/master |
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| 15:44.25 | zino | You can all breath out now. My testing->stable downgrade is complete and it doesn't look like the is about to explode. There was a faint hint of burning transistors, but the blue smoke stayed in the machine. |
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| 15:45.51 | bibe | Shockcore : 'man tar' tells to use --exclude=PATTERN |
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| 15:47.03 | yang | In which package is the tool traceroute6 ? |
| 15:47.24 | caphuso | yang: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:48.03 | Arsion | is one able to switch the mount point of a partition using fstab? |
| 15:48.20 | mtnman | arsion: yes. have you read man fstab? |
| 15:48.24 | Sander | I came back |
| 15:48.24 | tarzeau | !webkiosk |
| 15:48.25 | _Roey | ack |
| 15:48.30 | _Roey | abrotman: the thing is installing Woody. |
| 15:48.32 | _Roey | abrotman: arg. |
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| 15:48.33 | Arsion | mtnman: no but am now |
| 15:48.42 | abrotman | _Roey: there should be ones for sarge |
| 15:48.43 | jsz | no, I can't see my wifi in ifconf |
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| 15:48.50 | _Roey | abrotman: I chose a network installation off that CD |
| 15:48.54 | _Roey | abrotman: and it's installing woody. |
| 15:48.54 | mtnman | arsion: in the future, it is best to read first, ask quesions later. |
| 15:48.59 | tarzeau | is someone in here using a machine as a webkiosk? |
| 15:49.10 | Parallax_ | how do I know the codec with is encoded a file ?? |
| 15:49.20 | mtnman | tarzeau: iirc, there is a howto for that at tldp.org |
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| 15:49.26 | abrotman | _Roey: oh .. it's a hybrid |
| 15:49.31 | yang | caphuso: no hits |
| 15:49.32 | bizkit | tarzeau: no, but an eggdrop on other ircnet likes to give me some !beers ;) |
| 15:49.33 | bibe | jsz : does iwconfig show your wificard? |
| 15:49.33 | tarzeau | mtnman: yes it's very outdated, and i made a package that works great for me |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | !tell _Roey about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 15:49.37 | abrotman | !tell _Roey about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:49.39 | tarzeau | mtnman: i would like someone else to test it... |
| 15:49.42 | abrotman | _Roey: other alternatives |
| 15:49.58 | caphuso | yang: that's a lie |
| 15:50.14 | jsz | 0000:00:0c.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 us Reference Card (rev 01) |
| 15:50.22 | jsz | thats what lspci shows |
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| 15:50.33 | jsz | # iwconfig |
| 15:50.34 | Parallax_ | I have a .m4v file that mplayer doesn't seem to recognize the video codec |
| 15:50.37 | jsz | bash: iwconfig: command not found |
| 15:50.48 | SimonRaven | !installit |
| 15:50.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 15:50.56 | Arsion | mtnman: hmm, interesting. so when i do add a new hard drive, i just go in, change the mount point of a partition and then put the new hd as that mount point |
| 15:51.16 | bibe | jsz : you didn't install wireless-tools package |
| 15:51.22 | Bob332 | !tell Bob332 about sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 15:51.46 | _Roey | abrotman: what of those sites?? |
| 15:51.49 | mtnman | arsion: well, if you're adding a drive, you probably want to add stuff to fstab, not change stuff that is already there. |
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| 15:51.56 | antgel | !tell Bob332 about msg the bot |
| 15:51.57 | abrotman | _Roey: unofficial sarge installers with newer kernels |
| 15:51.59 | yang | caphuso: i thought "search traceroute6" |
| 15:52.18 | tarzeau | if someone cares to test www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ i'd be glad for some feedback/improvement suggestions |
| 15:52.20 | _Roey | abrotman: but it doesn't necessarilyi have those modules (megaraid_box and megaraid_mm) compiled!! |
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| 15:52.24 | xorphus | I'm wanting to use the 2.6 kernel on debian - wouldn't that be the 'kernel-image-2.6' package in aptitude? |
| 15:52.29 | _Roey | abrotman: the "etch" beta netinst iso didn't have it! |
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| 15:52.39 | _Roey | abrotman: s/it/them |
| 15:52.51 | Parallax_ | I have a .m4v file and I can't play it with mplayer how so I know the codec that I need ? |
| 15:52.54 | S4nD3r | Theres a little problem |
| 15:52.57 | antgel | xorphus: what do you think? what does aptitude show kernel-image-2.6 show? |
| 15:52.58 | abrotman | _Roey: no .. they may not .. but it's something else to try .. the only other thing i know is the Dell stuff .. see .. this is why i don't buy dell :) |
| 15:53.03 | Arsion | mtnman: well, when i go to add a hd, i will be adding it to the /var/www part to give the webserver more space. so the old partition would then become the www backup |
| 15:53.10 | mtnman | phone call |
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| 15:53.20 | charzero_ | Anybody know how to kill djbdns? I kill the processes, and they come back. |
| 15:53.27 | jsz | iwconfig doesn't show it |
| 15:53.40 | _Roey | abrotman: because Real Business only deals with select "linnucks" corporate distributions? |
| 15:53.43 | xorphus | antgel: you mean the descriptive text in the bottom window? absolutely nothing. |
| 15:54.03 | bibe | jsz : did you load the kernel module for your wifi card? |
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| 15:54.10 | abrotman | _Roey: i meant instead of buying HP or IBM |
| 15:54.14 | cahoot | xorphus: might be linux-image if you run testing/etch |
| 15:54.16 | antgel | xorphus: no, i mean aptitude show kernel-image-2.6 from a shell |
| 15:54.19 | jsz | how do I do it? |
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| 15:54.59 | xorphus | antgel: oh, nothing there either |
| 15:55.04 | bibe | jsz : modprobe rt2500 |
| 15:55.22 | Tenkawa | Anyone noticed if apt-file is broke in unstable at the moment? |
| 15:55.36 | jsz | # modprobe rt2500 |
| 15:55.37 | jsz | FATAL: Module rt2500 not found. |
| 15:55.49 | jbroome | that's why it's called unstable. :) |
| 15:55.51 | SimonRaven | s/in unstable// ; this if you have experimental in sources.list |
| 15:56.16 | xorphus | cahoot: what's testing/etch? I'm using stable, sarge/3.1r0a btw |
| 15:56.19 | yang | 16:58 <yang> find traceroute6 |
| 15:56.19 | yang | 16:58 <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 15:56.27 | yang | and then stucks |
| 15:56.32 | cahoot | xorphus: ok - never mind then |
| 15:56.40 | caphuso | yang: do what it tells you |
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| 15:57.01 | antgel | !tell xorphus about releases |
| 15:57.03 | Bob332 | Whats the deal with this this link for sarge 2.6.14 http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614? |
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| 15:57.05 | Arsion | rt2500....eeew. couldnt get it to work with my wireless card either. was forced to use ndiswrapper |
| 15:57.15 | antgel | xorphus: there *is* something there in sarge |
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| 15:57.37 | poop | Arsion: rt2500 required a new kernel on my machine |
| 15:57.38 | Tenkawa | oh well.. it builds from apt-get source.. good enough :) |
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| 15:57.43 | bibe | jsz : what kernel are you using? 'uname -r' |
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| 15:57.49 | loca|host | hello |
| 15:58.07 | jsz | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:58.07 | john | what's some other options besides k3b for a decent cd burner? |
| 15:58.07 | Arsion | poop: i have 2.6.8 and it still wouldnt work |
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| 15:58.17 | poop | Arsion: yup, too old |
| 15:58.32 | xorphus | antgel: im not seeing it tho |
| 15:58.43 | loca|host | i need hep |
| 15:58.45 | loca|host | help |
| 15:58.49 | thingfish | john: graveman, gnomebaker |
| 15:58.56 | Arsion | jsz: use ndiswrapper and the WinXp driver for that wireless card |
| 15:59.01 | SimonRaven | loca|host: so ask already. you know the drill |
| 15:59.06 | antgel | xorphus: please paste the command and output in the pastebin |
| 15:59.10 | poop | jsz: rt2500 on >= 2.6.13.4 works for me |
| 15:59.11 | loca|host | i just setted up the www records in my bind conf of a domain name and it's not pinging anymore |
| 15:59.18 | loca|host | can u ping this domain : www.e-speranza.net |
| 15:59.24 | loca|host | it should return an IP |
| 15:59.29 | antgel | !tell loca|host about u |
| 15:59.32 | loca|host | what's the ip u get ? |
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| 15:59.58 | Arsion | loca|host: unknown host |
| 15:59.58 | poop | I should really put that info somewhere. |
| 16:00.03 | blaamann | I installed the rt2570 the other day without any problems for a friend of mine by just following the howto, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
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| 16:00.17 | Reech | Using bind9, If a client is set to register name to DNS, ie windows - should it appear at the end of the zone file if " allow-update { any; }; " is set for that zone? and how long should it take |
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| 16:00.32 | yang | caphuso: does dpkg use 64kbit connection? |
| 16:00.32 | jbroome | loca|host: nope, got nothing |
| 16:00.46 | poop | rt2570 (usb, right?) didn't work either, but I was trying it on an old kernel too (I have an amd64 running 32-bit) |
| 16:00.47 | yang | caphuso: its updating for 10 min |
| 16:01.06 | caphuso | yang: well, then it has some problems. use one of the other two suggestions it told you about |
| 16:01.11 | a_dave | hey, got a q: my (remote) machine is hung, sorta. Anything using 'ps' hangs. including shutdown and halt |
| 16:01.30 | a_dave | actually shutdown and halt return ok, just don't actually do anything |
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| 16:01.32 | blaamann | poop: Is was an combined USB flash key and wireless adapter |
| 16:01.33 | jsz | it's a pci wifi card |
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| 16:01.51 | xorphus | antgel: http://pastebin.com/444993 |
| 16:02.16 | antgel | Reech: should be as soon as the client registers ip with dhcp |
| 16:02.31 | Arsion | well all, i'm out, time to go watch for the mail. take it easy all, and dont kill anyone I wouldnt! |
| 16:02.33 | Reech | How does it know what zone file to go in? |
| 16:02.41 | jsz | ndiswrapper? |
| 16:02.42 | antgel | xorphus: you said kernel-image. the pastebin says linux-image |
| 16:02.46 | Reech | Is it whatever domain you specify with dhcp it will look for a zone with that domain in? |
| 16:02.50 | jsz | I don't have it and can't install ti |
| 16:02.59 | antgel | Reech: because you have the appropriate zone file set up |
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| 16:03.02 | Arsion | jsz: ndiswrapper can be gotten from apt-get |
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| 16:03.19 | Reech | Well they're not adding to the list |
| 16:03.21 | Reech | humm |
| 16:03.21 | blaamann | jsz: Easy to install from source as well |
| 16:03.28 | jsz | E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper |
| 16:03.30 | varimas | hi |
| 16:03.33 | poop | ndiswrapper is gross |
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| 16:03.36 | antgel | Reech: yes |
| 16:03.48 | varimas | i am new hear |
| 16:03.57 | poop | holla back |
| 16:03.57 | antgel | Reech: i wouldn't allow-updates *any* |
| 16:03.58 | Arsion | poop: agreed, but at least it works when rt2500 wont |
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| 16:04.02 | SimonRaven | 'here' |
| 16:04.02 | NachoLugli | hy |
| 16:04.03 | varimas | i don talk in english so much |
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| 16:04.13 | varimas | i am from poland |
| 16:04.20 | antgel | !tell varimas about pl |
| 16:04.22 | poop | Arsion: I would recommend upgrading that ancient kernel before trying something like that. |
| 16:04.24 | Reech | Well I will until some updates start showing |
| 16:04.24 | Reech | ;P |
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| 16:04.32 | NachoLugli | anybody knows here pda or palms compatibles with linux ? |
| 16:04.43 | antgel | Reech: renew the ip in windows. check your logs |
| 16:04.49 | Reech | I dont understand why they dont show if the only requirement is the allow updates line |
| 16:04.49 | a_dave | dobre pazhowovitz |
| 16:04.51 | Reech | Yeah have done that |
| 16:04.53 | SimonRaven | we'll show you |
| 16:04.56 | Arsion | poop: i thought 2.6.8 was stable for sarge? |
| 16:04.59 | varimas | puk puk |
| 16:05.03 | varimas | nuck nuck |
| 16:05.15 | varimas | is sumebody there |
| 16:05.24 | jsz | E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper |
| 16:05.28 | Ronin | no we're here |
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| 16:05.39 | xorphus | antgel: yeah, I did say kernel-image, my mistake. that *is* correct. im now waiting on the results (awfully slow this time) |
| 16:05.49 | SimonRaven | there's 700+ people in this channel |
| 16:05.49 | _Roey | abrotman: dunno if IBM is debian-friendly. |
| 16:05.53 | _Roey | abrotman: anyhow, |
| 16:05.56 | varimas | i am going from here |
| 16:05.57 | Arsion | jsz: weird, i find it just fine in mine |
| 16:06.03 | antgel | jsz: do you ever research anything or just paste all your errors here? |
| 16:06.05 | varimas | !!!!!!! |
| 16:06.06 | dpkg | hmm... !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 16:06.12 | antgel | _Roey: ibm is linux friendly |
| 16:06.16 | Bogaurd | dude |
| 16:06.23 | Bogaurd | my client highlited that |
| 16:06.25 | Bogaurd | and wing |
| 16:06.25 | poop | Arsion: That doesn't mean it works with peecee hardware that keeps coming out rapid fire |
| 16:06.27 | _Roey | abrotman: I'm thinking maybe I could install the Etch beta installer ISO if I could remaster it and include a kernel which has megaraid_mm & megaraid_box drivers. |
| 16:06.28 | Error_X | Hey! I did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.. and now xorg won't start again (I get the nvidia startup picture, then it closes). Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 16:06.28 | Bogaurd | and went |
| 16:06.30 | Bogaurd | 'bing' |
| 16:06.34 | NachoLugli | anybody knows here pda or palms compatibles with linux ? |
| 16:06.36 | Bogaurd | cause my name is terry =x |
| 16:06.38 | _Roey | antgel: linux doesn't mean anything b y itself |
| 16:06.45 | _Roey | antgel: debian gnu/linux? redhat gnu/linux? |
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| 16:07.01 | Arsion | poop: try, but since the pc i had used ndiswrapper on, is a production server...dont want to trust anything thats not completely stable |
| 16:07.12 | antgel | Error_X: a heady combination of a non-stable distro and a non-free driver |
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| 16:07.29 | abrotman | _Roey: i have more than a few IBM servers here .. happily running debian |
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| 16:07.30 | stelt | idea: floppy disk that brings up a general install distro menu; pick your distro from a on-line list and it takes you to the distro-specific installer it automatically downloads (cause not all computers have floppy drives anymore, we of course also need CDs and USB stick versions) |
| 16:07.32 | xorphus | antgel: it's just sitting there like its hung (see: http://pastebin.com/445001 ) |
| 16:07.38 | abrotman | !tell _Roey about custom netinst |
| 16:07.39 | antgel | _Roey: shtuyot. linux means linux. hence ibm is friendly to any linux |
| 16:07.40 | Arsion | poop: but thats besides the point now. i installed a ethernet card and just use that now |
| 16:07.47 | Error_X | antgel: Uhm, wel. I've always used unstable.. |
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| 16:07.49 | poop | Arsion: Man, you're running a windos driver on a production machine :) |
| 16:07.59 | antgel | xorphus: downer |
| 16:08.10 | _Roey | abrotman: hey thanks |
| 16:08.13 | _Roey | abrotman: again :) |
| 16:08.20 | antgel | Error_X: and? |
| 16:08.21 | Arsion | poop: not anymore :) |
| 16:08.26 | _Roey | antgel: I don't know what linnucks means |
| 16:08.32 | _Roey | antgel: and i'm not saying this to be difficult; |
| 16:08.40 | xorphus | antgel: downer? like bummer? heh, this isn't cool.. |
| 16:08.47 | _Roey | antgel: I'm saying it because it means something different depending on the audience's perspective. |
| 16:08.50 | Error_X | antgel: and... when I updated my distro today it wouldn't work.. |
| 16:08.53 | SimonRaven | abrotman: mothafucka! :P |
| 16:08.56 | _Roey | antgel: business people hear linnucks and orgasm |
| 16:09.09 | _Roey | antgel: computer nerds hear Linux and think GNU/Linux of any distribution. |
| 16:09.15 | antgel | Error_X: what's your point |
| 16:09.34 | antgel | _Roey: when i hear linux i think gnu/linux. take that rms! |
| 16:09.34 | Error_X | antgel: that xorg won't start again.. |
| 16:09.39 | _Roey | ok then. |
| 16:09.50 | Reech | Hmm |
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| 16:09.56 | _Roey | antgel: thanks for being specific. See, if you'd have said GNU/Linux from the start, I'd know precisely what you meant. |
| 16:09.57 | antgel | Error_X: i'm not with you. if you use unstable, what do you expect? stability? |
| 16:10.01 | Reech | or can you get dhcpd to update the dns table instead of relying on the client to update |
| 16:10.03 | tarzeau | debian is not linux only |
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| 16:10.06 | antgel | _Roey: my pleasure :) |
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| 16:10.08 | Reech | Which is should be doing anyway, but just dosnt |
| 16:10.10 | _Roey | tarzeau: hence Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 16:10.12 | Reech | For no apparent reason |
| 16:10.16 | Error_X | antgel: No, but there must be some way to fix it... or? |
| 16:10.28 | _Roey | tarzeau: as opposed to Debian GNU/Solaris or Debian GNU/Hurd or Debian GNU/kBSD. |
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| 16:10.34 | Error_X | should I just set it to testing? |
| 16:10.39 | antgel | Error_X: there probably is. however if you can't do it, better look at installing stable |
| 16:10.57 | Error_X | okey |
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| 16:11.59 | tarzeau | _Roey: i guess you know http://www.us.debian.org/ports/ |
| 16:12.15 | _Roey | tarzeau: oh it's all listed there? :) |
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| 16:12.24 | cahoot | tarzeau: noticed the msg chanserv gives you when joining #debian? |
| 16:12.33 | _Roey | tarzeau: this was just what I learned from my random walks on Google. |
| 16:12.37 | tarzeau | cahoot: no? can you paste it? |
| 16:12.43 | _Roey | tarzeau: thanks |
| 16:13.39 | cahoot | tarzeau: no hand edited quote: ' if you have a question about Debian GNU/linux' |
| 16:14.10 | caphuso | cahoot: uhm, it says "Linux" with a capital L |
| 16:14.22 | cahoot | caphuso: correct - my bad |
| 16:14.38 | henk | Hi, i made my own package and was wondering how to make a "dialog" qeustion in my postinst script any hints where to look ? |
| 16:14.41 | cahoot | caphuso: the point being it specifies linux as topic |
| 16:14.43 | caphuso | so much for "no hand edited" (sic) :-) |
| 16:14.55 | tarzeau | henk: are you sure you need the dialog? |
| 16:14.56 | _Roey | caphuso: ya know... your nick reminds me of Microsoft's imaginary sample company, Contoso |
| 16:15.04 | _Roey | s/sample/example |
| 16:15.05 | tarzeau | henk: otherwise just put it into debian/README.Debian |
| 16:15.09 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 16:15.11 | henk | tarzeau, ofcourse i don't *need* the dialog :) |
| 16:15.20 | cahoot | caphuso: meant no - have to give a hand edited quote |
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| 16:15.44 | LostNoobs | in file toto I have "From lostnoobs@hotmail.com la date salut va bien nan oui" and I want "From lostnoobs@hotmail.com" with sed command someone can help me ? |
| 16:15.54 | henk | tarzeau, i just need to have the person installing my package answer a question yes/no and run the rest of the install script accordingly |
| 16:15.57 | caphuso | cahoot: ah, the joy of missing punctuation marks :) |
| 16:16.01 | r3tex | how do i install a dsc file? |
| 16:16.11 | tarzeau | r3tex: you don't |
| 16:16.13 | djp | is it necessary to install ntp-simple as well as ntpdate? does one rely on the other? |
| 16:16.22 | tarzeau | r3tex: you only need it with dpkg-source -x the.dsc |
| 16:16.22 | r3tex | tarzeau: ok, what do i do? :) |
| 16:16.24 | cahoot | caphuso: really the jo of ircing via putty from win ;) |
| 16:16.28 | tarzeau | r3tex: what do you want? |
| 16:16.33 | john | is anybody else having problems with installing packages.. mainly.. kde packages? |
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| 16:16.35 | henk | r3tex, it is a signature file to tell you who built the package |
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| 16:16.43 | r3tex | tarzeau: heh to install mesa_6.4.0-1.dsc |
| 16:16.44 | caphuso | cahoot: middle click pastes in putty, IIRC |
| 16:16.46 | tarzeau | john: no, #debian-kde ? |
| 16:16.48 | r3tex | henk: crap |
| 16:16.57 | valdyn | djp: they are different things, you dont have to use both, but its probably a good idea |
| 16:17.18 | henk | r3tex, you need to have a .deb file |
| 16:17.20 | djp | valdyn, a good idea to install both right? |
| 16:17.25 | valdyn | djp: yea |
| 16:17.29 | abrotman | John: in etch ? |
| 16:17.48 | djp | valdyn, cheers. yeah, i'm sure that is what antgel mentioned earlier to me... |
| 16:18.00 | henk | tarzeau, no thoughts on asking the user for input during install ? |
| 16:18.11 | caphuso | henk: debconf |
| 16:18.15 | valdyn | djp: ntpdate sets your time/date on bootup, ntp-simple makes sane adjustments constantly, as required, huge adjustments can be dangerous |
| 16:18.19 | tarzeau | henk: it's annoying |
| 16:18.21 | john | abrotman: well.. i've tried with both stable and unstable machines |
| 16:18.26 | john | sarge / sid |
| 16:18.34 | john | both gave me errors when trying to install k3b. |
| 16:18.38 | tarzeau | henk: and if you don't do it perfectly, don't do it |
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| 16:19.10 | abrotman | john: sarge should be fine .. testing/unstable kde is probably a mess .. ask #debian-kde |
| 16:19.23 | abrotman | John: are you sure it's actually sarge ? |
| 16:19.27 | henk | tarzeau, well i need to ask the user something so i need to do it .. |
| 16:19.45 | tarzeau | henk: you need to ask him what? |
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| 16:20.40 | abrotman | ask #debian-mentors ? |
| 16:20.44 | abrotman | or mentor .. whatever it is |
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| 16:20.51 | xorphus | antgel: oh hey, that aptitude show kernel-image-2.6 command finally finished. says its provided by.. for instance 'kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp' and so on |
| 16:20.54 | abrotman | not that mentor .. the channel! |
| 16:21.01 | xorphus | antgel: thanks man |
| 16:21.07 | _Roey | antgel, abrotman: I'd be fine with this distribution that I installed BUT... It didn't have any options for LVM. |
| 16:21.28 | abrotman | _Roey: so do the custom netinst .. that's all i can say .. |
| 16:21.29 | _Roey | antgel, abrotman: how should I go about installing Debian Sarge with LVM & XFS on this? |
| 16:21.32 | _Roey | abrotman: ok. |
| 16:21.34 | _Roey | abrotman: thanks. |
| 16:21.53 | abrotman | _Roey: or attempt to compile the module on another machine .. and load it after the installer starts |
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| 16:21.58 | abrotman | (from floppy) |
| 16:22.07 | _Roey | abrotman: I can do that? |
| 16:22.11 | _Roey | abrotman: from USB in my case? |
| 16:22.23 | abrotman | _Roey: if the USB device is seen |
| 16:22.27 | _Roey | ok |
| 16:22.32 | _Roey | abrotman: how'd I compile it? |
| 16:22.38 | _Roey | abrotman: I'd have to download kernle-headers 2.4.31 |
| 16:22.42 | abrotman | on another machine running the same kernel i suppose |
| 16:22.45 | _Roey | abrotman: and compile LVM... I guess. |
| 16:22.52 | abrotman | the sarge installer has LVM |
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| 16:23.21 | _Roey | abrotman: no it doesn't |
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| 16:23.32 | _Roey | abrotman: not the one I installed off that site you linked me to |
| 16:23.34 | henk | tarzeau, i'm making a package for our own company that installs a new server the way we like it, with our own programs / scripts etc. There are some things i'd like to ask the guy installing the box (things like type of server, do you want this specific script what is the ip of the upstream router to use etc) |
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| 16:24.03 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 16:24.28 | henk | caphuso, do you know any good place to learn about debconf besides man debconf and what google comes up with ? |
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| 16:24.36 | caphuso | henk: there's a -doc package |
| 16:24.39 | tarzeau | henk: why don't you make this automatic? so it gets the config from somewhere? so the guy can eat cakes and drink tea instead of answering boring questions? |
| 16:24.45 | caphuso | and literally hundreds of examples |
| 16:24.51 | abrotman | _Roey: i'm not sure that's a sarge installer .. the Dell one i mean |
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| 16:25.21 | caphuso | tarzeau: why can't you just set your debconf frontend to noninteractive and STFU instead of bitching? |
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| 16:25.36 | tarzeau | caphuso: yes i can, actually i do |
| 16:25.38 | antgel | o_O |
| 16:25.41 | henk | tarzeau, well the guy asked me to make his life easier ... not to make his job obsolete ;) |
| 16:25.49 | tarzeau | henk: heh :) |
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| 16:26.41 | henk | caphuso, tarzeau it's been fun thnx for the info. |
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| 16:27.48 | botsy | anybody have integrate egroupware in ldap ? |
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| 16:28.03 | abrotman | botsy: have you asked #ldap ? |
| 16:28.38 | yann_ | which device is sata disks with 2.6 kernels? |
| 16:28.42 | henk | tarzeau, and oh you will probably never see my ugly dialogs so don't worry :) |
| 16:28.53 | yann_ | (hde with 2.4 in my system) |
| 16:29.35 | abrotman | yann_: sd* for 2.6 .. hd* for 2.4 |
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| 16:31.07 | Ungy | I have a question I have yet to be able to fix why does my character map sho wup with boxes with numbers in it for common charactertable? |
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| 16:31.22 | abrotman | encoding the app doesn't understand |
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| 16:31.59 | warren_ | how would i add something to my crontab via command line (i.e. from a script)? |
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| 16:32.48 | yann_ | abrotman, so sde, sdg for 2.6 ? |
| 16:32.54 | botsy | abrotman, yes but anobody ask me ... |
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| 16:33.00 | Ungy | abrotman, so charactermap doesn't understand characters? |
| 16:33.00 | abrotman | yann_: are all the devices sata ? |
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| 16:33.10 | yann_ | abrotman, yes |
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| 16:33.20 | caphuso | warren_: crontab -l | dostuff | crontab - |
| 16:33.22 | abrotman | Ungy: if your character map app does ISO .. and the characters are some other ISO or UTF .. that's what you get |
| 16:33.29 | abrotman | yann_: probably |
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| 16:33.37 | warren_ | caphuso: dostuff meaning echo to append? |
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| 16:33.56 | warren_ | hrm, nope |
| 16:33.57 | warren_ | heh |
| 16:33.59 | caphuso | warren_: that's easier done with ( crontab -l; echo foo ) | crontab - |
| 16:34.00 | yann_ | abrotman, i try to reinstall a distant server with debootstrap |
| 16:34.06 | Ungy | abrotman, I even get it with UTF8 |
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| 16:34.17 | warren_ | caphuso: you're my hero! thanks :) |
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| 16:34.29 | abrotman | Ungy: but does the application understand UTF ? |
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| 16:34.45 | Ungy | character map doesn't understand utf 8? |
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| 16:35.12 | valdyn | Ungy: which toolkit is that character map made with? gtk? |
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| 16:35.35 | Ungy | valdyn, I do nto know that one |
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| 16:35.54 | abrotman | Ungy: are you in gnome ? |
| 16:35.59 | valdyn | Ungy: which debian package is it from? |
| 16:36.01 | Ungy | abrotman, yes |
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| 16:36.18 | abrotman | Ungy: and it's the GNOME character map ? |
| 16:36.37 | Ungy | abrotman, gucharmap 1.4.4 |
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| 16:37.20 | Ungy | valdyn, I don't know what package it is from it is default from my install as far as I know |
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| 16:37.40 | valdyn | Ungy: np, i know all about it now that i cared about. |
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| 16:37.50 | valdyn | Ungy: you probably want to use a different font |
| 16:38.02 | abrotman | see .. valdyn knows all the creepy gnome stuff |
| 16:38.07 | abrotman | i just figured it was a locales issue |
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| 16:38.12 | Ungy | valdyn, suggestions? |
| 16:38.18 | antgel | GNOME MY ARSE |
| 16:38.21 | valdyn | bitstream vera |
| 16:38.47 | Ungy | valdyn, and where do I set that? |
| 16:39.07 | tarzeau | antgel: haha :) |
| 16:39.11 | valdyn | Ungy: gnome-font-properties |
| 16:39.11 | gnd | I'm trying to install k3b on debian unstable, but I get an unmet dependency errors |
| 16:39.18 | tarzeau | valdyn: rather try ttf-dejavu |
| 16:39.29 | Ungy | valdyn thanks I will try to find that |
| 16:39.36 | valdyn | tarzeau: oh did he ask about specific no-latin characters? |
| 16:39.46 | tarzeau | valdyn: no idea |
| 16:39.50 | poop | ME TOO |
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| 16:39.59 | gnd | is k3b broken in unstable? |
| 16:40.09 | antgel | gnd: ANYTHING CAN BREAK IN UNSTABLE |
| 16:40.10 | poop | no, just unstable |
| 16:40.11 | tarzeau | gnd: bugs.debian.org/k3b |
| 16:40.11 | abrotman | antgel: was that supposed to be a GNAW ? |
| 16:40.16 | zerve_the_death | lol |
| 16:40.21 | tarzeau | antgel: that's everything |
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| 16:40.48 | mtnman | k3b: things are in a state of flux and k3b is not currently installable in testing/unstable, unless, perhaps, if you build it yourself. |
| 16:40.49 | jsz | okay, I can see my wifi card in iwconfig, now what? |
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| 16:41.03 | abrotman | mtnman: who are you talking to ? |
| 16:41.04 | antgel | tarzeau: INDEED |
| 16:41.16 | gnd | oh ok |
| 16:41.28 | valdyn | now im not sure how someone can install gnome in debian and not get its basic fonts |
| 16:41.28 | mtnman | i guess i meant that for gnd who just asked about k3b and seems to have read what i said. |
| 16:41.42 | abrotman | mtnman: i knew what you emant .. wasn't sure he would catch it |
| 16:41.55 | mtnman | abrotman: guess he did. |
| 16:42.07 | gnd | mtnman: indeed I did read, thank you |
| 16:42.07 | tarzeau | i wish feh would support pcx |
| 16:42.12 | poop | jsz: RaConfig2500 |
| 16:42.55 | Ungy | valdyn, after making the chang ei need to restart gnome? |
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| 16:43.06 | valdyn | Ungy: no |
| 16:43.40 | jsz | # RaConfig2500 |
| 16:43.40 | jsz | bash: RaConfig2500: command not found |
| 16:43.57 | abrotman | wtf is RaConfig2500 ? |
| 16:43.58 | poop | jsz: You must not be using the rt2500 driver. |
| 16:44.05 | jsz | I am |
| 16:44.12 | poop | jsz: You must not have rtfm. |
| 16:44.14 | mtnman | gnd: welcome |
| 16:44.20 | jsz | http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/ |
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| 16:44.23 | jsz | got it there |
| 16:44.33 | dusk | can someone help me to get sound working in quake 3? :D |
| 16:44.41 | loopdee | oh joy, i have recoverd the ntfs partition... now what went wrong .. hmmmmm |
| 16:44.58 | gnd | hmm, I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and ooo 2.0 got installed, but I can't find the writer part anywhere |
| 16:44.59 | loopdee | i should use the +rw mounting ntfs huh |
| 16:45.04 | loopdee | shoutln't |
| 16:45.05 | dusk | i use alsa, just need to somehow point q3 to use it |
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| 16:45.38 | loopdee | does quake support alsa? |
| 16:45.50 | dusk | no idea, probably not |
| 16:45.54 | poop | jsz: You might just want to read something more complete. |
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| 16:45.59 | loopdee | maybe did you install the alsa-oss package? |
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| 16:46.12 | dusk | no |
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| 16:46.30 | loopdee | maybe try that |
| 16:46.38 | sniperjo | Hello, can somone help me with cups please |
| 16:47.07 | antgel | !tell sniperjo about ask |
| 16:47.19 | antgel | WE NEED AN ASKSMITE |
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| 16:47.31 | poop | sniper: There's only one way to find out. |
| 16:47.32 | abrotman | antgel: don't ask to make it .. just make it |
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| 16:47.51 | abrotman | !ask-to-ask-to-ask |
| 16:47.51 | dpkg | from memory, ask-to-ask-to-ask is considered a DoS attack |
| 16:47.59 | LostNoobs | How I specify a charactère "." in [...] on sed ? |
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| 16:48.05 | antgel | abrotman: I CAN'T DO SMITES, I HAVE REACHED THE GLASS CEILING OF BOT-FU :) |
| 16:48.06 | sniperjo | ok well, I have a HP g85 printr, I have downloaded hplip and cups and I think there both installed |
| 16:48.17 | matusz | is there any chance for libsnmp9 to become libsnmp5 ? |
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| 16:48.30 | abrotman | antgel: dpkg: blahsmite $1 is <action>dowathever to $1 |
| 16:48.41 | antgel | abrotman: THANKS. YOU DA MAN! |
| 16:48.52 | sniperjo | And I don't seem to be bale to print, if I click print test page it says it has been completed but nothing happens at the printer |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | antgel: thank you for learning |
| 16:48.57 | Reech | Can anyone help with this? http://pastebin.com/445041 - why cant bind create this file? |
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| 16:49.52 | tarzeau | is there a gimp filter that removes every 2nd line of an image? |
| 16:50.06 | poop | Reech: Is bind running as root? |
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| 16:50.13 | Reech | afaik |
| 16:50.15 | Reech | It loads on startup |
| 16:50.30 | antgel | Reech: PERMISSION DENIED. NAMED IS TRYING TO CREATE THE FILE IN /ETC/BIND. RECKON YOU SHOULD SHOVE YOUR ZONES IN /VAR/CACHE/BIND, OR SOMEWHERE WHERE THE BIND USER CAN WRITE TO |
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| 16:50.35 | poop | Reech: Is there something like /etc/default/bind? |
| 16:50.45 | valdyn | Reech: ps aux | grep named |
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| 16:50.55 | abrotman | or allow the bind user to write there .. at your own peril |
| 16:51.06 | Reech | bind 2924 0.0 2.4 30012 3068 ? Ssl 18:31 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind |
| 16:51.08 | antgel | Reech: AFAIK IS NO GOOD. ps aux |grep bind |
| 16:51.15 | sniperjo | what does http://paste.debian.net/3004 Mean ? |
| 16:51.16 | poop | debian puts bind in /etc, don't blame him |
| 16:51.29 | abrotman | that's where the config files for bind belong |
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| 16:51.39 | abrotman | the zone files are whereever you decide to put them |
| 16:51.43 | Reech | hmmm |
| 16:51.50 | Reech | Do they get specified with named.conf? |
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| 16:51.54 | abrotman | you can put them in /tmp if you really want to :) |
| 16:52.01 | antgel | poop: ZONES SHOULD GO IN /var/cache/bind, WHICH IS WRITABLE BY THE BIND USER |
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| 16:52.11 | xorphus | is there anything I can do to aptitude to make it so it won't clutter my screen (I'm using PuTTY and SSH) when I have it install something? stupid thing doesn't clear the screen, it just writes over the existing text there. though, this works fine while at the monitor/keyboard console |
| 16:52.16 | poop | poop: STFU |
| 16:52.24 | poop | or at least QTFU` |
| 16:52.31 | mtnman | xorphus: try ctrl-l |
| 16:52.40 | poop | wait, I'm poop |
| 16:52.51 | poop | That would make you angtel. |
| 16:52.55 | Reech | Can you set it to put the temp jn1 files in var or somthing |
| 16:53.03 | antgel | poop: NEARLY |
| 16:53.05 | xorphus | mtnman: uh, I was looking for some sort of config setting.. when should I use ctrl+l like you say..? |
| 16:53.05 | Reech | As its only doing that when dynamically updating entries |
| 16:53.17 | mtnman | xorphus: to reset the screen |
| 16:53.30 | mtnman | xorphus: i.e. when it gets messed up |
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| 16:53.48 | Reech | options { |
| 16:53.48 | Reech | directory "/var/cache/bind"; |
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| 16:53.53 | Reech | is already set |
| 16:54.13 | xorphus | mtnman: oh i see. so just use it when it cuts back to the console to display the messages, use it right there so it'll look good? |
| 16:54.16 | Reech | but it tries to save them in etc |
| 16:54.17 | Reech | hmm |
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| 16:54.34 | mtnman | xorphus: well, you can try it. dunno if it will work, since i don't run aptitude. |
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| 16:54.58 | kreg_lt | anyone know what i can use to check where port 6667 is listening on my host? can't seem to figure out where it's coming from. |
| 16:55.16 | antgel | !tell kreg_lt abou lsof |
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| 16:55.26 | antgel | !tell kreg_lt about lsof |
| 16:55.26 | abrotman | Reech: for each zone .. you can specify where .. like `file "/var/cache/bind/blah" |
| 16:55.26 | abrotman | ` |
| 16:55.29 | ney | oi |
| 16:55.29 | ney | você pode me ajudar |
| 16:55.29 | ney | por favor |
| 16:55.31 | Haukkari | !tell me about named |
| 16:55.39 | Haukkari | !tell me about bind |
| 16:55.40 | antgel | !tell Haukkari about /msg the bot |
| 16:56.04 | poop | Is that french or portuguese? |
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| 16:56.12 | Haukkari | !tell antgel Thanks! |
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| 16:56.15 | loca|host | do i have to open some specific ports on my firewall when instaling a bind dns server ? |
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| 16:56.19 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:56.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:56.20 | ney | oi |
| 16:56.24 | abrotman | !br |
| 16:56.25 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:56.28 | loca|host | i want to set it up to be an ns server |
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| 16:56.30 | abrotman | there .. covered both :) |
| 16:56.35 | ney | você pode me ajudar por favor? |
| 16:56.47 | poop | !fr |
| 16:56.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 16:56.51 | kreg_lt | antgel, right, but i don't appear to have an ircd installed on this host, yet nmap localhost -p 6667 shows open |
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| 16:57.02 | abrotman | it's certainly not french |
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| 16:57.09 | poop | It's definitely not spanish. |
| 16:57.18 | abrotman | ney: /j #debian-es .. no habla espanol aqui |
| 16:57.19 | bibe | it's portuguese |
| 16:57.23 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
| 16:57.26 | as8 | portugese |
| 16:57.29 | abrotman | !tell ney about br |
| 16:57.39 | abrotman | looks damn spanish to me |
| 16:57.46 | poop | You uneducated brute |
| 16:57.50 | as8 | abrotman: it's close |
| 16:57.56 | SimonRaven | looks like .pt/.br to me |
| 16:57.56 | poop | portuguese isn't that far off |
| 16:58.02 | abrotman | poop: you thought it was french .. so bugger off |
| 16:58.13 | as8 | heheh |
| 16:58.28 | poop | sacre bleu! |
| 16:58.32 | bassMonkey | I accidentally dropped the whole mysql database with phpmyadmin, what do I do now? =/ |
| 16:58.35 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 16:58.35 | jbroome | i surrender |
| 16:58.36 | Xidus | Hey peoples |
| 16:58.45 | sniperjo | hey does anyone here know about gimp-print ? |
| 16:58.46 | bibe | bassMonkey : cry |
| 16:58.51 | as8 | bibe: sounds right |
| 16:58.54 | abrotman | bassMonkey: restore from backups |
| 16:59.09 | bassMonkey | abrotman: what backups? =) |
| 16:59.19 | SimonRaven | "but i don't have any backups" "tough" |
| 16:59.22 | Xidus | Meh, ive just finshed installing linux and my keyboard(usb) works in Grub BUT it doesn't work in KDE, any ideas people ? |
| 16:59.27 | as8 | bassMonkey: sorry about your luck |
| 16:59.43 | antgel | sniperjo: you need to learn to ask questions that will get you helpful answers |
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| 16:59.48 | SimonRaven | speaking of, i should update mine soon |
| 17:00.11 | sniperjo | OK , is anyone here using gimp and should I use it is there a package name for it wwith apt |
| 17:00.24 | mtnman | antgel: do you know about the smart quetions factoid? |
| 17:00.25 | poop | Xidus: Sounds like the keyboard module isn't loading |
| 17:00.29 | bibe | bassMonkey : i'm sorry too, but it's useful to avoid using phpmyadmin as root and/or giving away permissions on mysql database |
| 17:00.35 | SimonRaven | !tell sniperjo -about search |
| 17:00.38 | SimonRaven | !tell sniperjo -about ask |
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| 17:00.57 | mtnman | questions, even |
| 17:00.57 | antgel | mtnman: I RECALL SEEING IT, I THINK |
| 17:01.11 | mtnman | antgel: please lose the annoying caps |
| 17:01.25 | abrotman | bassMonkey: well .. that's a problem them isn't it ? .. maybe ask #mysql ? |
| 17:01.29 | Xidus | in dmesg i get: input: USB HID v1. 10 Device [USB MULTIMEDIA KEYBOARD] on usb1:2.1 |
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| 17:01.58 | bassMonkey | ok, thanks anyway... Will ask on mysql then |
| 17:02.03 | antgel | !kingsleysmite mtnman |
| 17:02.05 | dpkg | mtnman: You're nothing but a p*nis p*ssing d*ldo! |
| 17:02.20 | mtnman | antgel: do you have a problem? |
| 17:02.35 | abrotman | sniperjo: in a general sense .. unless you hav ea good reason .. use the package |
| 17:02.43 | antgel | mtnman: NO |
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| 17:03.24 | mtnman | !caps |
| 17:03.24 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them. |
| 17:03.45 | mtnman | goes double for sentences |
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| 17:03.59 | poop | Xidus: sounds like it should work, weird |
| 17:04.03 | Xidus | i know XD |
| 17:04.15 | Xidus | somebody suggested to configure X |
| 17:04.22 | antgel | mtnman: THANKS FOR THE NETIQUETTE LESSON. DID YOU SEE THE KINGSLEYSMITE? |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | mtnman: BUT WHY? :) |
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| 17:04.40 | poop | Xidus: Does it work on the console? |
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| 17:05.02 | Xidus | XD i cant rember how to drop into the console :( |
| 17:05.03 | MeTaLwHoRe | ?¿ |
| 17:05.08 | SimonRaven | unless you're in DOS, then you don't have much of a choice in the matter |
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| 17:05.19 | mtnman | abrotman: you should know better. |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | mtnman: and i do! |
| 17:05.32 | poop | Xidus: You might have to boot single user if you can't ssh into it and /etc/?dm stop |
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| 17:05.33 | mtnman | excellent |
| 17:05.44 | abrotman | mtnman: i reserve caps for the stupid people :) |
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| 17:05.53 | mtnman | abrotman: he was on the verge of trolling, and you fed him. |
| 17:06.07 | abrotman | mtnman: he's jesting .. /ignore works ! :) |
| 17:06.11 | antgel | mtnman: YOU KNOW WHERE THE /IG IS |
| 17:06.19 | abrotman | mtnman: maybe he had 5 cups of coffee ? |
| 17:06.32 | mtnman | antgel: i'm actually trying to help you. perhaps it is a waste of my time. |
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| 17:06.53 | Xidus | poop.... what... XD |
| 17:07.03 | antgel | mtnman: PERHAPS WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SENSE OF HUMOUR |
| 17:07.07 | mtnman | abrotman: coffee is no excuse for rudeness. as alcohol is not. |
| 17:07.12 | abrotman | mtnman: he's just screwing around .. he normally doesn't type in caps |
| 17:07.14 | poop | Xidus: What's the "XD" all about? |
| 17:07.21 | azeem | I don't think calling factoids is better than saying the same in your own words, *shrug* |
| 17:07.25 | mtnman | abrotman: i have seen him here often enough to know that. |
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| 17:07.42 | abrotman | okeedokeee |
| 17:07.59 | abrotman | azeem: /msg dpkg useless factoids :) |
| 17:08.08 | poop | Xidus: Can you ssh in from another machine? |
| 17:08.15 | Xidus | yes i can |
| 17:08.19 | mtnman | azeem: it is easier. that is the point of factoids. to make things easier/more efficient than composing a similar message several times. |
| 17:08.22 | Xidus | erm |
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| 17:08.37 | poop | Xidus: Can you stop X then? |
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| 17:08.39 | antgel | abrotman: ACTUALLY I AM GETTING TEMPTED TO LEAVE CAPS ON UNTIL THE INEVITABLE HAPPENS |
| 17:08.40 | Xidus | i do have a normal keyboard attached atm tho |
| 17:08.42 | azeem | mtnman: yes, but is also much more anonymous, IMHO |
| 17:08.46 | abrotman | antgel: which is ? |
| 17:08.49 | Xidus | so i can use the terminal |
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| 17:09.01 | azeem | mtnman: and some people are confused and wonder who that dpkg guy is who queries them |
| 17:09.01 | antgel | abrotman: +b, +q, + whatever :P |
| 17:09.04 | poop | Xidus: a usb keyboard _is_ a normal keyboard :) |
| 17:09.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:09.09 | abrotman | antgel: you lost your shift key |
| 17:09.15 | Xidus | i know but ive got a ps/2 connect atm |
| 17:09.16 | mtnman | azeem: you mean less personal, i assume. the person who gets sent a factoid knows who it comes from. |
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| 17:09.22 | azeem | erm, right |
| 17:09.28 | kjm | USB->PS2 adaptor |
| 17:09.31 | Xidus | so i can do stuff in the console, then turn put my usb one in :P |
| 17:09.35 | abrotman | mtnman: in the channel though .. it's not always apparent |
| 17:09.36 | poop | Xidus: ctrl-alt-F1 will get you to a vc |
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| 17:09.49 | abrotman | mtnman: when you !tell blah about blah .. yeah it is .. but !blah isn't so much |
| 17:09.51 | azeem | but I don't have anything against factoids, I just think if some peple prefer to spell it out themselves, this should not be regarded as inferior |
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| 17:10.08 | azeem | unless the information itself is inferior, of course |
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| 17:10.23 | caphuso | the "!blah" usage of factoids should be disabled... |
| 17:10.23 | Xidus | ok the usb keyboard doesn't work in that either |
| 17:10.29 | mtnman | azeem: agreed. anyone can convey information according to his preferences. |
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| 17:10.55 | _Roey | like, that's standard, right? |
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| 17:11.08 | poop | Roey: What do you mean by standard? |
| 17:11.11 | abrotman | _Roey: not sure if oyu know this .. Dell sucks :) |
| 17:11.17 | _Roey | poop: as in, supported by Debian |
| 17:11.18 | kjm | Because Roey bought a Dell |
| 17:11.38 | _Roey | kjm: the issue is that Debian doesn't include the raid drivers in the kernel. |
| 17:11.38 | poop | Roey: Does the documentation really say it's supported? |
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| 17:11.39 | _Roey | ugh. |
| 17:11.43 | _Roey | poop: eh? |
| 17:11.57 | poop | Roey: How do you know it's supported? |
| 17:12.19 | kjm | Roey - funny. I have RAID working on my G5 using PPC Debian no problems. |
| 17:12.32 | abrotman | poop: can't you change your nick to something less .. dirty ? :) |
| 17:12.43 | kjm | i.e. Dell sucks for support within *nix |
| 17:12.49 | abrotman | no .. just sucks |
| 17:12.49 | poop | *!* poo is already in use. |
| 17:12.58 | mtnman | kjm: or, just in general. |
| 17:12.59 | abrotman | better .. thanks :) |
| 17:13.00 | _Roey | kjm: well that's not the problem. I /can/ install Sarge with this custom Sarge installer .iso that has the drivers built-in... but it doesn't have LVM or XFS built-in. |
| 17:13.13 | MrHanky | I'm feeling very accomodating today |
| 17:13.14 | caphuso | abrotman: i take it that you're not a southpark fan... |
| 17:13.30 | abrotman | caphuso: i am .. but it's not as apparently dirty :) |
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| 17:13.33 | _Roey | kjm: so now I'm wondering hwo to transfer my existing install over to an LVM-based on, while keeping everything on the same machine. |
| 17:13.35 | Xidus | poop im in this VC now and the USB keyboard still doesn't work XD |
| 17:13.44 | mtnman | caphuso: last night's episode was pretty lame. |
| 17:13.51 | kjm | Roey - well that is a different question isn't it. |
| 17:13.52 | antgel | !eat MrHanky |
| 17:14.09 | mtnman | besides, mr hanky is a pooh, not a poop. |
| 17:14.15 | sniperjo | OK can ANYONE help me, I have CUPS and HPLIP I set up my g85 Printer and print try to print a testpage. when I do if I click the printer fast after I have sent a test page it will say the percent, It then goes into the comnpleated jobs but there is nothing haperning at the printer, any indeas why ? |
| 17:14.24 | antgel | mtnman: PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC |
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| 17:14.36 | caphuso | mtnman: it airs sunday night here, so there wasn't one yesterday that could've been called lame |
| 17:14.52 | benjamindees | does Sarge support multiple packages built from the same source? |
| 17:14.53 | mtnman | caphuso: about the whale. |
| 17:15.12 | MrHanky | Xidus: It seems that there used to be more modules to load for a usb kbd. All I have in 2.6.14 is usbhid. |
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| 17:16.13 | Myon | benjamindees: sure |
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| 17:16.16 | MrHanky | Xidus: Maybe usbkbd would work better for you (or vice versa) |
| 17:16.20 | Nath- | PM ME |
| 17:16.31 | caphuso | mtnman: don't remember one with a whale, but then, we're in the middle of season 7 here in germany |
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| 17:16.32 | MrHanky | Wanna cyber? |
| 17:16.36 | Nath- | yeh |
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| 17:16.46 | kjm | hmmmm, 3-some? |
| 17:16.50 | Nath- | oop rong box |
| 17:16.52 | mtnman | antgel: as of now, i have not tried to be rude to you. i don't think you can say the same about me. |
| 17:17.01 | Xidus | Im using 2.4.27-2-386 :D |
| 17:17.09 | Nath- | i neva sed that ok shh my bf will killme |
| 17:17.26 | sniperjo | OK can ANYONE help me, I have CUPS and HPLIP I set up my g85 Printer and print try to print a testpage. when I do if I click the printer fast after I have sent a test page it will say the percent, It then goes into the comnpleated jobs but there is nothing haperning at the printer, any indeas why ? |
| 17:17.30 | kjm | heh, damn. |
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| 17:17.38 | MrHanky | Nath: We'll only tell him about your miserable english skills. |
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| 17:17.45 | Nath- | lmao |
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| 17:18.18 | mtnman | caphuso: current season is 9 |
| 17:18.24 | kjm | Nath - I think you should use /join #13yroldsexstarvedRetardedFemales |
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| 17:18.33 | Nath- | but im 19 |
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| 17:18.44 | _Roey | kjm: alright, it is a different question. Could you help me? :) |
| 17:18.44 | kjm | you'll have better odds then |
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| 17:18.49 | MrHanky | "Females" is being too optimistic. |
| 17:18.50 | roxy_ | hi, does anyone know where are the sturtup file? when i turn on kde i see programs that run.(id on't nokw if it is from shell or kde) |
| 17:19.07 | kjm | _Roey - sorry, i don't know enough about LVM or XFS to really help you here. |
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| 17:19.18 | Nath- | do i gotta talk about pc's to be heer |
| 17:19.36 | abrotman | !tell Nath- about debian |
| 17:19.39 | MrHanky | Nath: Debian gnulix, specifically, not peecees. |
| 17:19.40 | caphuso | mtnman: yeah, i know. typical delay for most series |
| 17:19.46 | Nath- | wotsa sex-drive? |
| 17:19.57 | kjm | what is a wotsa? |
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| 17:20.08 | SimonRaven | a drive for sexes |
| 17:20.11 | Nath- | u sed it buddy |
| 17:20.12 | MrHanky | Tropical rodent |
| 17:20.13 | abrotman | you'd think someone from .uk would have better grammar |
| 17:20.22 | Nath- | no imfrom aust |
| 17:20.23 | antgel | Nath-: PLEASE STOP EMBARASSING .UK |
| 17:20.35 | kjm | I think my assumption about your age (13) must be from your l33t texting skillz |
| 17:20.36 | sniperjo | OK can ANYONE help me, I have CUPS and HPLIP I set up my g85 Printer and print try to print a testpage. when I do if I click the printer fast after I have sent a test page it will say the percent, It then goes into the comnpleated jobs but there is nothing haperning at the printer, any indeas why ? |
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| 17:20.46 | Nath- | oops i betta go catch ya! |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | antgel: is it a holiday in .uk today ? |
| 17:20.54 | antgel | abrotman: I WISH |
| 17:21.01 | Reech | no |
| 17:21.02 | k3ninho | not a holiday here. |
| 17:21.03 | MrHanky | sniperjo: You might annoy less people if you repeat that every hour or so. |
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| 17:21.17 | antgel | !love MrHanky |
| 17:21.38 | sniperjo | MRHanky: thanks for the advice |
| 17:21.42 | _Roey | kjm: thanks anyway |
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| 17:21.53 | MrHanky | sniperjo: It would also allow for enough time for new people to join who know the answer. |
| 17:21.56 | aidehua | dpkg: TMI!!! |
| 17:21.56 | benjamindees | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `kmplayer-0.9.1/DEBIAN/control' near line 7: missing package name |
| 17:22.08 | sniperjo | MRHanky: thanks for the advice |
| 17:22.19 | bibe | sniperjo : you probably have your printer in a "stopped" status |
| 17:22.23 | werw | which file in bash executes only 1 time when I log on? |
| 17:22.25 | SimonRaven | benjamindees: exactly what it says |
| 17:22.26 | abrotman | sniperjo: also .. check your various logs in /var/log/ |
| 17:22.33 | sniperjo | werw: it never worked |
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| 17:22.37 | Myon | werw: .(bash_)profile |
| 17:22.43 | sniperjo | abrotman: I wouldn't know what iw as looking for |
| 17:22.52 | Myon | benjamindees: well, is there a package name? |
| 17:22.55 | lordnazgul | is there an easy way to specify in fstab who owns a partition when it gets mounted? |
| 17:22.58 | benjamindees | has the format of the control file changed since Sarge? |
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| 17:23.06 | Myon | lordnazgul: which FS? |
| 17:23.07 | abrotman | sniperjo: look in the logs .. syslog, messages .. printer logs .. they're in /var/log/ |
| 17:23.09 | MrHanky | lordnazgul: It depends on the filesystem (man fstab) |
| 17:23.11 | Myon | benjamindees: no |
| 17:23.15 | benjamindees | there is a space, then a package name |
| 17:23.20 | Lopuz | is there any kde version of synaptic? |
| 17:23.21 | lordnazgul | vfat |
| 17:23.33 | Myon | lordnazgul: man mount -> uid, umask |
| 17:23.43 | mtnman | vfat doesn't have unix perms, iirc. |
| 17:23.43 | lordnazgul | thx myon |
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| 17:23.51 | Myon | Lopuz: iirc no |
| 17:23.54 | antgel | Lopuz: SYNAPTIC RUNS UNDER KDE BUT YOU CAN USE KPACKAGE. BEST OF WITH APTITUDE IMO. |
| 17:24.08 | Myon | antgel: YES WE ARE ALL DEAF |
| 17:24.17 | MrHanky | !kick antgel |
| 17:24.21 | TTimo | MY MIRROR HAS A BROKEN SYNAPTIC OMG |
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| 17:24.30 | Lopuz | mine too |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | Myon: honestly . i can't hear you .. speak up :) |
| 17:24.36 | TTimo | wtf am I here anyway |
| 17:24.36 | fbi | what the fuck is with the capslock in here |
| 17:24.48 | abrotman | fbi: just ignore it :) |
| 17:24.49 | antgel | !kingsleysmite fbi |
| 17:24.51 | dpkg | fbi: You're nothing but a w*ng f*rting t*at! |
| 17:24.51 | TTimo | IT'S AN INSIDE JOKE |
| 17:24.55 | kjm | I DONT KNOW IT IS ANNOYING THOUGH |
| 17:24.56 | mtnman | abrotman: can't hear him over atgel? |
| 17:24.58 | fbi | Myon: don't even think about using that figlet shit in here |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:25.11 | Ronin | wow i see my ignore file getting bigger here today |
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| 17:25.14 | antgel | THOUGHT THE KINGSLEYSMITE HAD THE URL IN |
| 17:25.16 | Lopuz | when i try to install synaptic, it wants to have a newer version of gtk2 which is not available |
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| 17:25.18 | abrotman | fbi: perhaps you could plug 'filters' into irssi ? |
| 17:25.25 | Myon | fbi: of course I'd pick a free font :-P |
| 17:25.25 | abrotman | antgel: it does if you hit it |
| 17:25.26 | fbi | abrotman: indeed. |
| 17:25.36 | mikeX | is there any frontend for traffic shaping available? |
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| 17:25.52 | Myon | Lopuz: Sarge's synaptic? |
| 17:25.54 | caphuso | mikeX: wondershaper? |
| 17:26.00 | Lopuz | Myon, unstable |
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| 17:26.23 | Myon | well, then you probably know how to fix that yourself :-P |
| 17:26.29 | mikeX | caphuso: thanks : ) |
| 17:26.32 | Lopuz | uhm no? :P |
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| 17:26.47 | botsy | with ldapdelete it's possible to use ldif files ? |
| 17:26.54 | Myon | unstable is unstable because it's sometimes unstable *shurgs* |
| 17:27.02 | Lopuz | hehe ok :P |
| 17:27.17 | kjm | Myon : thanks. I never did quite understand that naming convention :P |
| 17:27.38 | valdyn | antgel: kingsley is rating caps now? |
| 17:27.41 | FarrisG | Does anyone know if there are any Linux or Windows alternatives to Quicktime Broadcaster that will work with Quicktime Streaming Sever? |
| 17:27.48 | antgel | valdyn: *NOD* |
| 17:28.12 | fbi | haha no way |
| 17:28.33 | pureone | ok i have a half installed deb and if i try to do anything with apt it will tell me to do apt-get -f install but that always fails.. |
| 17:28.53 | fbi | kingsley needs a job or something |
| 17:29.01 | fbi | either that or he needs to get laid for the first time |
| 17:29.09 | valdyn | pureone: why does it fail? |
| 17:29.11 | fbi | that guy has a little bit too much time on his hands |
| 17:29.20 | mtnman | fbi: are you volunteering? :) |
| 17:29.31 | fbi | mtnman: i would, but my boyfriend would get jealous |
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| 17:29.47 | mtnman | heh |
| 17:29.56 | fbi | there's nothing i find sexier than a man who logs profanity in chat channels. |
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| 17:30.02 | harleyg | valdyn, it is something to do with ircd-hybrid, i am also working on the same system |
| 17:30.09 | pureone | http://pastebin.com/445092 |
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| 17:30.19 | solarwinds | hi...all |
| 17:30.47 | harleyg | is it a half installed debian p? |
| 17:30.47 | harleyg | ;p; |
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| 17:31.28 | harleyg | lol |
| 17:31.28 | dama | hola |
| 17:31.30 | kjhb | hello, i m having an hd in /dev/dsa1 and sda2, i dont have hd in /dev/hda.. how can i install debian ion dsa1? plz |
| 17:31.30 | solarwinds | I am thinking to compile new kernel, what is the disadvantage ??? |
| 17:31.30 | solarwinds | I am running debian sarge.. |
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| 17:31.52 | Myon | pureone: insert a "set -x" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ircd-hybrid.preinst to see where it fails |
| 17:31.54 | antgel | !tell kjhb about ig |
| 17:32.00 | fbi | solarwinds: the whole point of debian is to _not_ compile. what makes you think you need a custom kernel. |
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| 17:32.11 | antgel | solarwinds: WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE? |
| 17:32.11 | fbi | !tell dama about es |
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| 17:32.27 | valdyn | pureone: so the preinstall script is failing that is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/. read the bts, file a bug report and/or fix that script yourself |
| 17:32.29 | solarwinds | fbi, I have a problem with IBM T42.. |
| 17:32.35 | caphuso | antgel: you stop now |
| 17:32.45 | Haukkari | fbi: don't you think that compiling a custom(grsecurity)-kernel for a Debian server is a good idea? |
| 17:32.54 | solarwinds | I cant poweroff, last time I compile new kernel and it is fixed the problem |
| 17:33.08 | pureone | ok cool thanks for the info :) |
| 17:33.12 | fbi | Haukkari: i run Debian so i don't need to compile. if i wanted to compile shit, i'd run gentoo. |
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| 17:33.30 | solarwinds | kjhb, your bios support scsi boot ?? |
| 17:33.33 | snow | abrotman haven't thought about nothing?? |
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| 17:33.50 | antgel | mtnman: like he cares whether you second or third it |
| 17:33.50 | Haukkari | fbi: so your suggestion is to install Gentoo to be able to use a security-enhanced kernel for an important production server? |
| 17:34.16 | fbi | Haukkari: i'm not suggesting jack shit. i asked solarwinds a simple question. |
| 17:34.20 | pngwn | feel the <3 |
| 17:34.28 | mtnman | antgel: are you trying to be annoying or does it come naturally? |
| 17:34.55 | pureone | hmm no such file |
| 17:35.02 | mtnman | solarwinds: you need to enable apm (or acpi) |
| 17:35.10 | antgel | mtnman: talk about a leading question |
| 17:35.39 | solarwinds | mtnman, I have acpi , but i still have a bug to poweroff the T42.. |
| 17:35.41 | pureone | only 2 files to do with ircd-hybrid and thats ircd-hybrid.list ircd-hybrid.postrm |
| 17:35.45 | harleyg | yeh i know p :P |
| 17:36.11 | Haukkari | fbi: well, and I indirectly told you that the advantage of compiling the kernel is, for example, to get custom stuff in the kernel. Other advantages include custom settings and the possibility to leave out modules that one does not need. |
| 17:36.25 | Haukkari | Compiling is NOT the "evil gentoo thing that a Debian user should never, ever do". :P |
| 17:36.25 | fbi | Haukkari: can you stop saying my nick in here? i really don't care. |
| 17:36.28 | mtnman | solarwinds: if it is a bug, perhaps you can find a workaround specific to your hw at the linux laptops site. |
| 17:36.45 | fbi | Haukkari: i asked solarwinds why he wanted to compile a kernel. i never suggested anything. |
| 17:36.51 | snow | 19:39 <dammit> limit of 28 bytes? |
| 17:36.51 | snow | 19:39 <dammit> hahahaha |
| 17:36.51 | snow | 19:39 <dammit> prie visu shita meta? :) |
| 17:36.51 | snow | 19:39 <dammit> cia neturi itakos? |
| 17:36.51 | snow | 19:39 <dammit> hahahahahaha |
| 17:36.51 | snow | :)) |
| 17:36.51 | snow | not that one |
| 17:36.51 | snow | ups |
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| 17:36.52 | botsy | with ldapdelete it's possible to use ldif files for erase all OU,O,etc ? |
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| 17:37.25 | valdyn | pureone: could be that that .deb file is broken. delete it and rerun the download.. |
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| 17:37.34 | solarwinds | mtnman, last time I fixed it by compile new kernel. |
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| 17:38.06 | mtnman | solarwinds: well, if you want to kill a fly w/ a bomb, okay, but a flyswatter is more appropriate, imho. |
| 17:38.12 | antgel | solarwinds: and what was different between your compiled kernel and the image |
| 17:38.39 | mtnman | solarwinds: however if you'd like to compile a kernel for other reasons, that is another story. |
| 17:38.41 | solarwinds | antgel, i dont know.. |
| 17:38.49 | netcrusher88 | how is debian's hardware detection, as far as pcmcia stuff? |
| 17:38.54 | loopdee | OMFG, $1800 to fix my car UGH!! |
| 17:38.55 | antgel | solarwinds: exactly |
| 17:39.10 | loopdee | oh wait this is a debian channel |
| 17:39.20 | fbi | !confuse loopdee |
| 17:39.21 | dpkg | Yes, who was your bacon today, loopdee? wellies of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 17:39.23 | solarwinds | mtnman, but what is the diffrance between vanilla and debian kernel ?? |
| 17:39.27 | loopdee | lol |
| 17:39.29 | as8 | loopdee: debian is a type of car |
| 17:39.33 | loopdee | really? |
| 17:39.37 | as8 | yes |
| 17:39.39 | azeem | solarwinds: the patches Debian applies |
| 17:39.45 | loopdee | lol |
| 17:39.55 | mtnman | solarwinds: there is some debian-specific patching done. you can always compile from the debian source. |
| 17:40.19 | Silent_al | dpkg tell loopdee -about debian |
| 17:40.26 | k3ninho | mntnman: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.14 ? |
| 17:40.34 | solarwinds | what is the last debian kernel ?? |
| 17:40.46 | loopdee | thanks Silent_al |
| 17:40.51 | mtnman | kernel-source-foo.version, not linux-source. |
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| 17:41.04 | azeem | mtnman: uhm, it's called linux-source now |
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| 17:41.24 | fbi | it's linux-cource. |
| 17:41.31 | fbi | s/cource/source/g |
| 17:41.40 | k3ninho | mntnman: is it only the linux kernel images which are differentiated from any other Debian kernel (BSD etc.) |
| 17:41.40 | mtnman | azeem: not in stable... |
| 17:42.01 | k3ninho | mntnman: thx |
| 17:42.10 | mtnman | k3ninho: your sentence does not make sense. |
| 17:42.25 | azeem | mtnman: ok, but there's no 2.6.14 in stable |
| 17:42.28 | mtnman | k3ninhho: you're welcome. |
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| 17:42.51 | mtnman | azeem true enough |
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| 17:45.04 | matusz | what is the difference between libsnmp5 v5.1 and libsnmp9 v5.1 ? |
| 17:45.14 | k3ninho | mntnman: it needed a question mark. but to clarify: I download linux-image-$version and assume the source would be linux-source-$version. Is it not? |
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| 17:45.53 | benjamindees | so, using dpkg -b to build packages is pretty worthless I guess? |
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| 17:45.57 | mtnman | k3ninho: yes. |
| 17:46.08 | azeem | benjamindees: why? |
| 17:46.09 | mtnman | um, yes, it is. |
| 17:47.09 | benjamindees | azeem, it doesn't seem to work, and isn't mentioned in any of the developer docs |
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| 17:47.41 | azeem | benjamindees: it works |
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| 17:48.01 | azeem | benjamindees: but it is very low-level. dh_builddeb invokes dpkg -b (or rather dpkg-deb -b) |
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| 17:48.39 | azeem | benjamindees: you need to pass it a perfectly setup and laid out directory try, including all the meta-information |
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| 17:48.53 | azeem | benjamindees: all the necessary work usually gets done before in debian/rules |
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| 17:50.51 | benjamindees | I see, so dpkg doesn't really support building multiple packages, but it's used by apps that do |
| 17:51.22 | azeem | benjamindees: what do you mean with multiple packages? |
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| 17:51.53 | benjamindees | azeem, multiple subpackages from one control file |
| 17:52.04 | mtnman | k3ninho: the ambiguity was due to the "is it not" at the end of your question. i had meant that you were correct in your statement. |
| 17:52.12 | paolob | Hi guys! What's the reason why in my gnome 2.10 (testing) when I run skype and try to make a connection it say "problems with audio periferal", and it begin seeing it when I open and use gnomemeeting. It's a strange thing! What is the reason? |
| 17:52.27 | k3ninho | mntnman: thx again. |
| 17:52.36 | mtnman | welcome |
| 17:52.52 | azeem | benjamindees: well, just call dpkg -b multiple times on different trees |
| 17:52.57 | valdyn | paolob: that 2 applications cannot share 1 audio device in this case |
| 17:53.04 | critch | what recourse does one have when a verified bug report becomes stagnant? |
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| 17:53.17 | antgel | critch: define stagnant |
| 17:53.17 | azeem | benjamindees: but really, you should not worry about dpkg -b usually, debhelper does that for you |
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| 17:53.48 | paolob | valdyn: but the fact is that when I run gnomemeeting _the 2_ work! |
| 17:53.54 | benjamindees | azeem, would it be safe to say that a warning to that effect should be placed in the man page? |
| 17:54.12 | paolob | valdyn: before running gnomemeeting skype doesn't see the sound device |
| 17:54.22 | critch | antgel: one bug is from Apr 9, and I confirmed the original compaintants problem Sep 16 when I encountered it. |
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| 17:54.43 | critch | antgel: check out bug number 303862 |
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| 17:54.49 | antgel | critch: you could email the maintainer and / or the bug report |
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| 17:55.15 | juop | Hi, if I use postfix-tls, Do I need to use realay for the whole world? |
| 17:55.29 | critch | antgel: the other one I am interested in is only about a month of no response |
| 17:55.33 | valdyn | paolob: does it exist before you run gnomemeeting? |
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| 17:55.40 | nyk2005 | Hi! |
| 17:55.40 | mtnman | paolob: well, skype _is_ commercial, proprietary, software. you won't find much support for it here, though someone earlier said that debianizing the .rpm via alien solved some other skype problems. |
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| 17:56.11 | azeem | benjamindees: no, there are still some old skool developers who use dpkg -b in their debian/rules |
| 17:56.35 | antgel | critch: he's been waiting for moreinfo for a while. but nothing to stop you emailing him if you feel it's not getting attention |
| 17:56.37 | paolob | valdyn: what are you saying? I can't understand the question |
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| 17:56.41 | nyk2005 | I have dovecot running and configured for IMAPS, but cannot connect to port 993 of my the server from thunderbird. what could cause this problem? |
| 17:56.56 | azeem | benjamindees: maybe the man page could get a bit more verbose though, yeah |
| 17:57.14 | azeem | benjamindees: check the existing bug reports for dpkg (there are a lot) |
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| 17:57.38 | valdyn | paolob: does your audio device function or exist before you start gnomemeeting? |
| 17:57.48 | azeem | benjamindees: the manpage is not incorrect, dpkg -b really builds a .deb, but only under very specific conditions |
| 17:58.11 | minion_ | hi can someone help me with my mouse, it has randomly stopped working with usb but works as a ps2 mouse |
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| 17:58.49 | benjamindees | minion_, have you added any hardware? |
| 17:58.58 | minion_ | benjamindees, no |
| 17:59.09 | Greatred | no apt-get updates? |
| 17:59.13 | minion_ | benjamindees, all i did was restart |
| 17:59.16 | Greatred | or new kernel config etc? |
| 17:59.27 | k3ninho | (n00bing) is there a bot command to ask people to specify which release, kernel version and other necessary info for questions about hardware? |
| 17:59.46 | azeem | minion_: did you since the last reboot before? |
| 17:59.54 | resiak | k3ninho: No, because no database of that information exist |
| 17:59.59 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 18:00.04 | minion_ | i have not changed the hardware since installed debian |
| 18:00.12 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite valdyn |
| 18:00.17 | zumbi | how could i find out what glibc version am i using ? |
| 18:00.20 | azeem | minion_: ok, but did you upgrade since your previous reboot? |
| 18:00.28 | azeem | zumbi: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 18:00.34 | minion_ | azeem, i removed kde and installed xfce |
| 18:00.48 | minion_ | azeem, i think that is all i did |
| 18:00.49 | k3ninho | resiak: for the people who ask random questions about hardware problems that need more information than just 'it doesn't work' |
| 18:01.02 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 18:01.04 | resiak | k3ninho: I'm aware of that. Why not start such a database |
| 18:01.07 | valdyn | !test |
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| 18:01.17 | resiak | apt: test |
| 18:01.18 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 18:01.18 | valdyn | @doesn't work |
| 18:01.22 | resiak | valdyn: ravenbird's gone |
| 18:01.29 | valdyn | apt: doesn't work |
| 18:01.30 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 18:01.42 | bizkit | what can i do to "forward" an connection attemp to a local smtp to a remote one, but with the right authentication for the remote smtp server? |
| 18:02.02 | minion_ | azeem, anyideas |
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| 18:02.43 | k3ninho | resiak: I'm scared by the prospect. What do you mean, like HW compatibility? Why not add spyware to the next few releases that compiles the information for (/me ignores DFSG) |
| 18:02.43 | valdyn | bizkit: you could install a local smtp server and make it use a smarthost |
| 18:02.45 | bizkit | the remote smtp needs smtp-auth, and i use squirrelmail. when i choose squirrelmail to use the remote one i can't let it auth to the remote smtp. i have no access on the remote smtp |
| 18:02.53 | jsz | hey I can't change my resolution, im using xorg and the nvidia driver |
| 18:02.55 | critch | antgel: thanks, I just sent emails to both maintainers asking them to look into the bugs. |
| 18:03.00 | bizkit | valdyn: i use postfix as mta, any ideas? |
| 18:03.14 | k3ninho | resiak: and /me ignores the GNU 'Do No Evil' |
| 18:03.27 | andax | what does the last two things mean in "top" output? (Cpu(s): 19.2% us, 36.8% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 43.7% si) . what do "hi" and "si" mean? |
| 18:03.31 | critch | antgel: it is so rare I find what I feel is a debian fault and not an upstream problem. |
| 18:03.57 | minion_ | azeem, also my mouse is very sluggish on ps2 |
| 18:04.14 | antgel | critch: i tend to file bugs in debian in any case, but one of my pet hates is how the upstream ones often don't get forwarded upstream |
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| 18:05.09 | critch | antgel: I don't want to take up the time of the debian packager with upstream problems. I usually find a way around it or complain directly upstream. |
| 18:05.30 | antgel | critch: indeed |
| 18:05.32 | critch | antgel: of course if I am complaining upstream, I am also probably building from source then. |
| 18:05.38 | botsy | i have change the name for my ldap do you know if they are a command for see if modification is ok ? |
| 18:05.40 | benjamindees | minion_, did you upgrade X also? |
| 18:05.47 | minion_ | benjamindees, dont think i did |
| 18:05.54 | minion_ | benjamindees, but its a possibility |
| 18:06.00 | jsz | hey I can't change my resolution, im using xorg and the nvidia driver |
| 18:06.08 | antgel | botsy: consider joining a channel more appropriate for your first language, or #ldap |
| 18:06.12 | minion_ | benjamindees, im 99% certain its not cause of xorg.cong |
| 18:06.20 | critch | anyone know when/if ifupdown will use iproute instead of ifconfig and route? |
| 18:06.24 | minion_ | jsz, do you have your x config set up correctly |
| 18:07.41 | Fox_1_ | i need the debian cd picture???? |
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| 18:08.08 | antgel | Fox_1_: where have you looked for it? |
| 18:08.21 | jsz | I done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:08.27 | jsz | and it wont change any higher |
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| 18:08.39 | antgel | jsz: try nv |
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| 18:08.49 | Fox_1_ | antgel where i must look for it? |
| 18:09.06 | feb | good evening. Having trouble installing debian on a laptop Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A 7600. |
| 18:09.08 | antgel | Fox_1_: www.debian.org |
| 18:09.24 | benjamindees | k31th, I am totally for the spyware idea |
| 18:09.35 | feb | any suggestions besides the noapic nolapic and acpi=off boot params ? |
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| 18:09.41 | Fox_1_ | where? |
| 18:09.50 | adrake | Question: I had a hard drive that was going bad (bad blocks/sectors/unrecoverable errors on fsck) so I replaced the drive and reinstalled Deb 3.1r0 but now my disk activity light is staying on almost all the time. IDE controller problem? (this is on a laptop) |
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| 18:10.07 | adrake | Google didn't turn up much for recent results |
| 18:10.11 | benjamindees | oops, k3ninho I mean |
| 18:10.18 | k3ninho | benjamindees: you talkin' to me? :) |
| 18:10.24 | antgel | adrake: hard to say. have you tried killing all the processes you can? |
| 18:10.33 | k3ninho | benji-san: k3ith indeed. FFS! |
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| 18:10.40 | critch | is there a way to search for all packages that depend on another package? |
| 18:11.09 | adrake | antgel: Yes, the light is on but I can't feel/hear any activity on the disk. |
| 18:11.14 | antgel | Fox_1_: why don't you *ever* try to look for anything yourself? |
| 18:11.17 | cheal | critch: yes |
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| 18:11.30 | antgel | adrake: interesting. can you boot knoppix? |
| 18:11.32 | adrake | If I install a package or something it will flicker (normal) and then go off only to come back on within 60 secs and stay on for a long long time |
| 18:11.39 | xam | antgel when the machines will rise they'll make us all pay for all the processes we've killed all these years!!! |
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| 18:12.03 | antgel | xam: but we have spawned many as well, to be sure |
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| 18:12.07 | adrake | antgel: I didn't have any problems installing deb, updating kernel, installing firefox, gaim, bitchx etc |
| 18:12.14 | cheal | critch: man apt-cache |
| 18:12.16 | critch | cheal: thanks, just found the section in the man page |
| 18:12.28 | k3ninho | BenjaminDees: I don't think that DD's and all would support HW logging; I think that it would at best be an option that people choose at install to help log bugs. And people would liken it to MS's validation procedure in WinXP. :( |
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| 18:12.38 | antgel | adrake: what about killing processes? |
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| 18:13.04 | Fox_1_ | antgel i have looked, but i haven't foung anythink |
| 18:13.09 | Fox_1_ | foung = found |
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| 18:13.24 | adrake | brb |
| 18:13.24 | antgel | Fox_1_: where have you looked? |
| 18:13.38 | MrAnon | Hi, does anyone know if the 2200BG can do promiscious mode (rfmon) in Windows? |
| 18:13.39 | xam | antgel: well, thechnically we just spawned one (init. pid 1), the rest was spawned from init! |
| 18:13.39 | MrAnon | Thanks |
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| 18:13.43 | k3ninho | fox_1: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 18:14.01 | Fox_1_ | antgel in google |
| 18:14.15 | k3ninho | fox_1: that's where I'd go to get images either for FTP/HTTP download or via the BitTorrent network. |
| 18:14.23 | antgel | Fox_1_: i told you to look on www.debian.org |
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| 18:14.46 | antgel | xam: aha, but we caused them to be spawned by logging in etc |
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| 18:15.29 | antgel | Fox_1_: your questions here consistently demonstrate that you don't even try to look things up yourself |
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| 18:15.38 | benjamindees | thank you all for your help |
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| 18:16.35 | raden | whats a good cd copying util for KDE ? |
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| 18:17.09 | andax | raden: k3b |
| 18:17.13 | netsurf3 | there was i known problem for the debian install from floppy to do with the booting order (running dhclient fixes it) what do i have to do to fix i am unable to find the solution |
| 18:17.24 | raden | andax, anythign else |
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| 18:18.07 | feb | does netisnt cd use kernel 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 18:18.07 | netsurf3 | lol |
| 18:18.19 | SeicherlBoB | does anybody know a good tool to unerase data on ext2? |
| 18:18.21 | netsurf3 | errm it is 2.4-27 i belive |
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| 18:18.26 | cheal | feb: any |
| 18:18.54 | netsurf3 | know which version of deb i have by anychance too? |
| 18:18.54 | Fox_1_ | first i ask, if anyone have or know the place from where i can get it, i get it without spending my time. if no one hasn't i starting to search it. why develope bike again? |
| 18:19.10 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 18:19.33 | feb | cheal: when starting up |
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| 18:19.43 | mith | Fox_1_: 42 |
| 18:19.45 | Fox_1_ | antgel the same, if i have it i'll give it to anyone |
| 18:19.56 | cheal | Feb: it lets you choose before it starts any |
| 18:20.10 | Fox_1_ | who ask me |
| 18:20.24 | feb | cheal: at the boot prompt ? |
| 18:20.30 | cheal | feb: yes |
| 18:20.45 | feb | missed that. how do you select it ? |
| 18:20.57 | raden | how do i find what device my cdrom is ? |
| 18:21.13 | cheal | feb: depending on the release and arch, you choose 2.6 with "linux26" or "install26" |
| 18:21.19 | kingsley | raden: less /var/log/messages and dmesg |
| 18:21.25 | antgel | raden: grep -i cdrom /var/log/dmesg |
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| 18:21.42 | feb | oh, it's explained in a help screen. Thanks cheal ! |
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| 18:21.56 | cheal | raden: check /etc/fstab |
| 18:22.00 | Lord | Alguem fala portugues?/ |
| 18:22.08 | cheal | !br |
| 18:22.12 | Lord | br |
| 18:22.13 | cheal | damn bot |
| 18:22.23 | cheal | lord: #debian-br |
| 18:22.30 | cheal | if I remember right... |
| 18:22.52 | SeicherlBoB | anybody knows e2undel |
| 18:23.08 | Lord | preciso de algumas dicas, alguem pode me ajudar por favor? |
| 18:23.11 | netsurf3 | did anyone know an answer to my question please? |
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| 18:23.50 | cheal | Lord: /join #debian-br |
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| 18:23.57 | kingsley | Lord: #debian no hable espaniol. |
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| 18:24.07 | Lord | vc é brasileiro? |
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| 18:25.58 | Serajewe1KS | why would firefox detect the flash plugin when run under the default profile, but not on a secondary profile i created? |
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| 18:26.13 | JulienH | Hi all |
| 18:26.16 | surgeon | hi all! |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | !br |
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| 18:26.23 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 18:26.34 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: go to hell! |
| 18:26.36 | raden | k3b isnt finding my burner its /media/dvdrecorder |
| 18:26.41 | cheal | dpkg: abrotman: I'm dead again! |
| 18:26.42 | surgeon | how can i add the internet as a standard source for dpkg? |
| 18:26.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: looks like dpkg is dead again |
| 18:26.48 | valdyn | raden: eh? |
| 18:26.49 | SerajewelKS | raden: that's your burner's *mountpoint* |
| 18:26.53 | jade | is there a way to see how old my debian distro is ? |
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| 18:27.01 | raden | ok how do i find the actual device |
| 18:27.02 | jade | rather when it was built? |
| 18:27.07 | valdyn | raden: 'burners' and their functionality is in /dev/ |
| 18:27.21 | raden | valdyn, how do i find out what it is in DEV |
| 18:27.23 | SerajewelKS | raden: stick a DVD in and mount it, then look at 'mount' output to see what's mounted on /media/... |
| 18:27.23 | raden | dev |
| 18:27.24 | cheal | raden: look in /etc/fstab |
| 18:27.26 | k3ninho | Fox_1_: have you got your Debian Disk Images? Have you looked at http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ (which literally answers your orignal question) or http://www.debian.org/CD/ for CD image downloads by a tool called Jigdo; FTP; HTTP or bittorrent. |
| 18:27.32 | valdyn | raden: cd /dev ; ls |
| 18:27.43 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: that's just mean ;) |
| 18:27.44 | raden | cheal, in fstab both say /media/dvdrecorder |
| 18:27.58 | SerajewelKS | raden: O_o |
| 18:28.13 | cheal | raden: you have a line in /etc/fstab with "/media/dvdrecorder" twice? |
| 18:28.18 | raden | yup |
| 18:28.29 | JulienH | Does a linux-image-amd64-k8-smp package work an smp xeon emt64 machine ? |
| 18:28.31 | raden | im confussed |
| 18:28.38 | SeicherlBoB | what can i do, when i forgot on which device my /home dirs are? |
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| 18:28.51 | SerajewelKS | raden: like i said: stick a DVD in the drive |
| 18:28.55 | SerajewelKS | raden: a burned/pressed one |
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| 18:29.05 | SerajewelKS | raden: then mount the disc and see where 'mount' says it is |
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| 18:29.11 | cheal | raden: strange |
| 18:29.12 | valdyn | raden: which device is given in the line containing /media/dvdrecorder ? |
| 18:29.20 | SerajewelKS | raden: then you should probably change it in /etc/fstab too, because it *sounds* like something is automounting it |
| 18:29.22 | cheal | raden: can you paste your /etc/fstab somewhere? |
| 18:29.34 | raden | cheal, yeah gimme a sec |
| 18:30.11 | SerajewelKS | so yeah... firefox finds the flash plugin when run on the default profile, but not on another profile. any reason for this? |
| 18:30.24 | SerajewelKS | i noticed that when i made the new profile it stuck it in ~/.mozilla/firefox instead of ~/.firefox |
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| 18:30.27 | SerajewelKS | if that means anything |
| 18:30.29 | raden | http://pastebin.com/445178 |
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| 18:30.35 | Feh | Hi :) |
| 18:30.52 | cheal | SerajewelKS: isn't that normal? |
| 18:31.05 | SerajewelKS | cheal: i don't know. i figured it would put it in ~/.firefox |
| 18:31.17 | SerajewelKS | cheal: but either way, i can't figure out why the other profile isn't detecting any plugins |
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| 18:31.49 | raden | cheal, http://pastebin.com/445178 |
| 18:31.50 | SerajewelKS | raden: /dev/dvdrecorder is not /media/dvdrecorder |
| 18:31.51 | cheal | SerajewelKS: if both aren't in the same place and you installed it as user, I guess it explains |
| 18:32.00 | SerajewelKS | raden: it's at /dev/dvdrecorder |
| 18:32.14 | cheal | raden: as SerajewelKS said |
| 18:32.24 | raden | gah sorry im blind |
| 18:32.27 | k3ninho | SeicherBob: doesn't a 'mount' bring up a list of where stuff is mounted, and presumably your 'home' dir will be listed there? |
| 18:32.31 | usn | hi folx |
| 18:32.32 | raden | tired and mind ****ed |
| 18:32.41 | SerajewelKS | k3ninho: only if your home dir is mounted on something |
| 18:32.42 | cheal | SerajewelKS: I don't have a ~/.firefox . which version do you use? |
| 18:32.51 | SerajewelKS | cheal: 1.0.6 |
| 18:32.53 | SeicherlBoB | k3ninho: thx! |
| 18:32.59 | raden | thanks |
| 18:33.02 | SerajewelKS | cheal: but i installed firefox back at 1.0.~2 |
| 18:33.03 | k3ninho | SericherBob: no worries |
| 18:33.04 | jade | when was sarge 3.1 marked stable? |
| 18:33.09 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 18:33.10 | SerajewelKS | cheal: so maybe they've changed something then |
| 18:33.20 | abrotman | jade: like june 6th 2005 or something |
| 18:33.24 | SerajewelKS | cheal: still doesn't explain why the other profile isn't getting plugins that are installed system-wide |
| 18:33.27 | valdyn | raden: is that even a debian system? |
| 18:33.27 | cheal | SerajewelKS: hum, I don'T think that's early enough to explain that |
| 18:33.28 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
| 18:33.31 | jade | abrotman, thanks .. |
| 18:33.47 | cheal | SerajewelKS: ah, so you used flashplugin-nonfree to install? |
| 18:33.51 | SerajewelKS | cheal: maybe it was 0.99 then, who knows =/ |
| 18:33.53 | SerajewelKS | cheal: yes |
| 18:33.54 | andax | what does the last two things mean in "top" output? (Cpu(s): 19.2% us, 36.8% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 43.7% si) . what do "hi" and "si" mean? |
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| 18:34.06 | SerajewelKS | cheal: it's linked to by /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so and other places |
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| 18:34.17 | raden | valdyn, we have 7 deb systems and this one is the suse systyem only one with DVD burner i just need to copy some crap |
| 18:34.31 | feb | is there a big technical reason why debian default to ext3fs instead of reiserfs ? |
| 18:34.31 | SerajewelKS | cheal: i'm tempted to do an strace on it but i know i'm going to get so much crap |
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| 18:34.34 | sifi | how can I list all files avalible at http://di.fm/mp3, so I can download them with wget? |
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| 18:34.42 | cheal | SerajewelKS: hehe |
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| 18:35.07 | SeicherlBoB | I need to recover deleted files from an ext3.... any ideas?! I can't find a package. |
| 18:35.09 | SerajewelKS | cheal: we're going to have to go straight to ... ludicrous speed! |
| 18:35.17 | Secretus | This is maybe a stupid question ... but do I have to download all the 14 Debian CD's ? |
| 18:35.25 | fbi | Secretus: if you have a network, no. |
| 18:35.25 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: you can do that normally |
| 18:35.29 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: you cant do that normally |
| 18:35.31 | Ronin | Secretus: no, are you on decent speed connection? |
| 18:35.43 | SerajewelKS | cheal: anyway i'm going to do an strace and see if it's even hitting the plugin dir at all |
| 18:35.59 | cheal | SerajewelKS: see... http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html "~/.mozilla/firefox" |
| 18:36.03 | SerajewelKS | cheal: don't the mozilla browsers just load whatever .so's exist in their plugin dirs? and disable the ones that you uncheck? |
| 18:36.06 | SeicherlBoB | I know, that it's not simple. but there are tools for ext2. are there any for ext3? |
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| 18:36.22 | SerajewelKS | cheal: *shrug* not going to worry about changing it.. i'd probably just break it trying to move it |
| 18:36.30 | Secretus | Ronin: Yes, I have no download limit and moderatly fast internet, but I'm on a router, so if i'm downloading all the time i'll use up all the bandwith |
| 18:36.31 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: for your needs and purposes ext3=ext2 |
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| 18:36.40 | SerajewelKS | cheal: strace goes to stderr right? |
| 18:36.47 | Ronin | !tell Secretus about d-i |
| 18:36.48 | SeicherlBoB | oh... thx! |
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| 18:36.54 | Ronin | !d-i |
| 18:36.59 | SeicherlBoB | any suggestions what tool i could use? |
| 18:37.00 | SerajewelKS | SeicherlBoB: ext3 is ext2 + a journal block |
| 18:37.02 | Secretus | But will I really need all 14 cd's ? Or are there CD's with just source code ? |
| 18:37.02 | adrake | Okay, the drive light is not on in the bios, nor does it stay on if I boot into windows, so it's solely a Debian/Linux issue |
| 18:37.05 | Ronin | ummm |
| 18:37.17 | Ronin | Secretus: the 14 cds contain everything there is |
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| 18:37.29 | raden | k3b cant see if for some stupid reason |
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| 18:37.35 | Ronin | you normally only need the first cd and use apt-get or even better the network install minicd |
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| 18:37.53 | valdyn | Secretus: just download the first CD, and grab the rest when you need it directly |
| 18:37.56 | Secretus | So the First CD has the Debian system, and the rest software ? |
| 18:37.57 | SerajewelKS | cheal: 1492439 bytes of strace for opening and closing firefox =/ |
| 18:38.08 | cheal | SerajewelKS: I wouldn't think, but I don't know |
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| 18:38.31 | Ronin | Secretus: pretty much |
| 18:38.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: strace -eopen |
| 18:38.41 | SerajewelKS | cheal: it's hitting /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but not getting the flash plugin there =/ |
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| 18:38.45 | k3ninho | andax: see http://www.unixtop.org/display/states.html User/System/Nice/Idle/user i-o/swwap i-o (or so that page claims) I say this assuming that GNU's edition of top follows the same pattern. |
| 18:38.55 | andax | k31th: thanks |
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| 18:38.58 | cheal | Secretus: the first CD has the most important packages |
| 18:38.59 | SerajewelKS | cheal: grep flash firefox.strace gives nothing at all |
| 18:39.18 | botsy | bya all |
| 18:39.43 | cheal | SerajewelKS: it seems that the profile change happened in 0.9 |
| 18:39.52 | SerajewelKS | cheal: hell my pluginreg.dat even lists flash |
| 18:39.58 | andax | k3ninho: thanks, i've just found the answer... "hi" and "si" means hard and soft interrupts :)) |
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| 18:40.07 | SerajewelKS | cheal: is it safe to remove pluginreg.dat? |
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| 18:40.10 | r0g3l10 | Hi, where can I get the mbox file of a debian list archive? |
| 18:40.19 | yang | Are Linksys wireless access points well supported in debian? |
| 18:40.19 | Secretus | Thanks very much for the info ;) So now I'll download the first CD and then I'll have the Debian Os ( With KDE/Gnome ? Or do I have install that later ?) Sorry for asking so much dumb questions btw |
| 18:40.22 | cheal | SerajewelKS: I don't know, use mv |
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| 18:40.28 | k3ninho | andax: no worries. k31th is glad to have helped |
| 18:40.35 | k3ninho | andax: *too* |
| 18:40.36 | SerajewelKS | cheal: yeah, duh.. my brain is dead right now i think |
| 18:40.38 | deb-ian | hi, when I open php pages with firefox on my webserver, it trys to download and now show, any ideas? |
| 18:40.57 | cheal | Secretus: the first CD has part of gnome and part of KDE |
| 18:41.11 | valdyn | Secretus: debian software package management is source transparent ( doesnt make a difference if you grab it from your CD or from the net ). |
| 18:41.16 | SerajewelKS | cheal: it doesn't regenerate it but it doesn't find any plugins either |
| 18:41.18 | cheal | deb-ian: yes, apache isn't parsing the PHP code |
| 18:41.28 | Secretus | Part of Gnome ? So not the complete thing ? |
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| 18:41.42 | valdyn | Secretus: all of gnome ( but that doesnt matter ) |
| 18:41.44 | deb-ian | cheal: how do I fix it? |
| 18:41.50 | cheal | Secretus: I don't think all of gnome is on CD 1 |
| 18:42.14 | raden | do i have to give k3b permissions to use the /dev/dvdrecorder ? |
| 18:42.18 | raden | cause i cant add the device |
| 18:42.22 | k3ninho | secretus: how much gnome do you need? |
| 18:42.23 | SerajewelKS | cheal: odd. it regenerates the file when i use the default profile. |
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| 18:43.02 | k3ninho | cheers all. bye-for-now |
| 18:43.08 | penguin__ | When will Open Office 2.0 come to testing? |
| 18:43.11 | madradrone | deb-ian: AddType and DirectoryIndex options in apache conf |
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| 18:43.22 | Secretus | k3ninho: It would be nice if I could have a GUI ready if I install the first CD |
| 18:43.22 | SerajewelKS | cheal: i am majorly confused right now |
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| 18:43.29 | meelee | hi.. anyone know how I can get highlighting of functions/variables and stuff in emacs? |
| 18:43.39 | cheal | penguin__: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html |
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| 18:43.49 | cheal | meelee: ask #emacs |
| 18:43.57 | valdyn | Secretus: you should probably read the install guid or debian reference. It does not make a difference WHERE you install stuff from |
| 18:44.01 | penguin__ | USe vi |
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| 18:44.19 | kingsley | meelee: vim has syntax highlighting. You might want to ask on #emacs, if it exists. |
| 18:44.22 | cheal | Secretus: you can have a GUI with the first CD |
| 18:44.23 | r0g3l10 | Hi, where can I get the mbox file of a debian list archive? |
| 18:44.33 | raden | could not find a additional device at /dev/dvdrecorder |
| 18:44.43 | feb | which method do you recommend for apt , http or ftp ? |
| 18:44.58 | valdyn | raden: you really should ask suse questions at their support channels |
| 18:45.06 | raden | i have been |
| 18:45.13 | madradrone | feb: if you're behind some firewalls, ftp might have problems |
| 18:45.26 | cheal | SerajewelKS: if you just want it to work, you could makes symlinks in your auxiliary profile |
| 18:45.27 | nyk2005 | I have dovecot running and configured for IMAPS, but cannot connect to port 993 of my the server from thunderbird. what could cause this problem? |
| 18:46.27 | madradrone | nyk2005: what happens if you telent to the port? is anything listening on it? |
| 18:46.35 | SeicherlBoB | feb: I don't care about the protocol as long, as the server is "close" enough and fast. |
| 18:46.35 | valdyn | nyk2005: run netstat -plunt on the server as root, if dovecot isnt listening on 993/tcp you will see |
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| 18:46.54 | cheal | deb-ian: by setting up PHP with your apache correctly... you have libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 18:46.55 | adrake | Anyone have an idea why Deb3.1R0 would keep my hdd light on with a default install? |
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| 18:47.12 | feb | SeicherlBoB: chose one very near. |
| 18:47.17 | abrotman | it's installing stuff ? |
| 18:47.17 | kingsley | raden: What time is it where you are? |
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| 18:47.33 | feb | was just wondering because the installer asks you to choose a method |
| 18:48.05 | raden | 12:45 |
| 18:48.07 | SeicherlBoB | feb: it's been a while since i've seen the installer ;) |
| 18:48.18 | kingsley | raden: AM or PM? |
| 18:48.24 | raden | pm |
| 18:48.28 | SeicherlBoB | feb: can u enable both? |
| 18:48.45 | elephantMan | How can i retrieve current computer IP adress ? |
| 18:48.59 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 18:49.16 | deb-ian | hello |
| 18:49.18 | surgeon | what is an standard source for debian packages, ftp://www.debian.org?? |
| 18:49.19 | kingsley | raden: I'm surprised that you're tired. Did you pull an all-nighter? |
| 18:49.53 | raden | been doing the windows to linux battle at the office all night |
| 18:49.56 | madradrone | elephantMan: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 18:50.20 | SeicherlBoB | raden: and who's won? |
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| 18:50.36 | raden | linux is getting there |
| 18:50.45 | kingsley | surgeon: I use http://http.us.debian.org/debian in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 18:50.47 | SeicherlBoB | *g* thumbs up |
| 18:50.53 | madradrone | surgeon: http://ftp.debian.org |
| 18:50.55 | raden | just a dvd burner isssue and samba which is my fault cause i have to configure crap loads |
| 18:51.18 | penguin__ | WHat is difference between experimental and unstable? |
| 18:51.27 | valdyn | !experimental |
| 18:51.30 | adrake | Anybody know why a fresh install of Deb3.1R0 would keep my disk activity light on 95% of the time? |
| 18:51.34 | abrotman | penguin__: you shouyldn't use experimetnal unless you know what you're doing |
| 18:51.35 | valdyn | apt: experimental |
| 18:51.36 | apt | it has been said that experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental , you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 18:51.40 | kingsley | raden: I suspect you biggest problem is fatigue, and that you'll solve the problem quicker after rest refreshes your mental abilities. |
| 18:51.44 | raden | even was able to get turbocad running with win |
| 18:51.45 | raden | wine |
| 18:51.55 | abrotman | penguin__: i would advise against using experimental |
| 18:52.08 | raden | kingsley, i just need to get this 1 thing done K3b just not finding the dvdrecorder |
| 18:52.11 | surgeon | thx kingsley & madradrone |
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| 18:53.14 | raden | k3bsetup2 wont work either hmmm |
| 18:53.19 | kingsley | raden: Are you sure it can't wait till after you rest? You'll be more productive then. |
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| 18:53.47 | penguin__ | It looks like open office 2.0 is still some time away yet. |
| 18:53.52 | Secretus | Another question from a slow learner, and completely new to Debian : When I'll have Debian installed, do i have to add sources to repositories, so I can apt-get ? Or are the sources alre |
| 18:53.57 | SerajewelKS | adrake: how much ram do you have |
| 18:53.58 | abrotman | penguin__: OO2 is in unstable |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | Secretus: apt-setup |
| 18:54.12 | raden | kingsley, boss would have win server back on here hes impatient] |
| 18:54.29 | abrotman | raden: he hired you for a reason |
| 18:54.34 | adrake | Serajewel1KS: 1GB |
| 18:54.35 | penguin__ | It looks to be at least a month away from testing. |
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| 18:54.50 | abrotman | penguin__: you asked about unstable .. not testing |
| 18:54.51 | adrake | Serajewel1KS: and I have no swap space (don't need it with all the RAM, never used it, always been happy :) |
| 18:55.03 | SerajewelKS | adrake: hrm so it's not swapping... run top and look for programs using a lot of cpu |
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| 18:55.16 | penguin__ | unstable is more stable than experimental? |
| 18:55.28 | cheal | penguin__: what's worrying is that the latest OOo now build-deps on KDE 3.4.3 |
| 18:55.42 | raden | abrotman, well never messed with k3b |
| 18:55.46 | abrotman | penguin__: experimental is for stuff DDs think normal people won't use |
| 18:55.54 | abrotman | penguin__: and is possibly VERY broken |
| 18:55.58 | adrake | Serajewel1KS: already did, couldn't find anything, even just logging into the console with no other apps running causes it. Doesn't happen in BIOS or Windows though... |
| 18:56.14 | botsy | do you know if for ldap server thy are a command for list all ldap server who are activate |
| 18:56.16 | botsy | ???? |
| 18:56.27 | penguin__ | OO 2.0 is an MS office replacement. I cant wait. |
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| 18:56.35 | SerajewelKS | adrake: there's no '1' in my nick |
| 18:57.05 | adrake | SerajewelKS: sorry...wont be my first typo or my last :) |
| 18:57.08 | SerajewelKS | adrake: probably buggy IDE/ATA drivers or something |
| 18:57.15 | SerajewelKS | adrake: use tab-completion =) |
| 18:57.21 | Ronin | adrake: type the first couple of letters then press tab |
| 18:57.26 | abrotman | raden: isn't this a server ? |
| 18:57.30 | r0g3l10 | Hi, where can I get the mbox file of a debian list archive? |
| 18:57.55 | raden | abrotman, workstation |
| 18:58.09 | raden | Debian box is server that was smooth and seamless |
| 18:58.21 | abrotman | r0g3l10: don't think you can |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | raden: oh .. |
| 18:58.26 | SerajewelKS | cheal: argh.. i cannot figure this one out |
| 18:58.36 | abrotman | raden: did you try .. dvdrwtools .. or whatever it's called ? |
| 18:58.41 | adrake | SerajewelKS: I'm just using the standard drivers. The disk is brand new and smartctl verifies that it's good |
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| 18:59.14 | cheal | SerajewelKS: did you try making symlinks? |
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| 18:59.26 | SerajewelKS | adrake: i don't trust smartctl =) |
| 18:59.32 | deb-ian | im having trouble making apache read a .phtml file |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | raden: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0&searchon=names&version=all&case=insensitive&release=all&keywords=dvd&arch=any |
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| 18:59.44 | blondie | deb-ian: #apache |
| 18:59.44 | SerajewelKS | adrake: it told me that my drive was good, but the drive was telling me otherwise by way of metal grinding noises |
| 18:59.45 | abrotman | deb-ian: PHP ? |
| 18:59.59 | SerajewelKS | cheal: there is a symlink at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:59.59 | deb-ian | yes |
| 19:00.00 | kingsley | raden: What does "ls -l /dev/dvdrecorder" report? |
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| 19:00.06 | SerajewelKS | cheal: my other firefox profile uses that one no problem |
| 19:00.12 | abrotman | deb-ian: ask #apache how to add the AddType line for it |
| 19:00.14 | cheal | SerajewelKS: from where? |
| 19:00.17 | r0g3l10 | abrotman: mmm, I think it could be useful... |
| 19:00.19 | adrake | SerajewelKS: the drive is brand new and quiet as a mouse....the quiet mice anyway :) |
| 19:00.36 | abrotman | r0g3l10: then file a bug .. i'm sure there's a good reason |
| 19:00.54 | abrotman | keep it in your pants! |
| 19:00.58 | numist | :o |
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| 19:01.10 | SerajewelKS | cheal: that's the symlink: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
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| 19:01.53 | SerajewelKS | cheal: there is a similar symlink at /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
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| 19:02.06 | cheal | SerajewelKS: try making a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins instead |
| 19:02.15 | Seicherl | what can i do, when e2undel can't find the deleted files? |
| 19:02.47 | kingsley | raden: Have you read k3b's FAQ, which says "If you are using the rpm from SuSE... always compile from source"! |
| 19:02.50 | SerajewelKS | Seicherl: cry and pound on your desk |
| 19:03.09 | SerajewelKS | Seicherl: feel better? |
| 19:03.10 | Seicherl | and now? |
| 19:03.16 | Seicherl | no not at all |
| 19:03.22 | raden | kingsley, thanks for FYI |
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| 19:03.30 | SerajewelKS | Seicherl: oh.. e2undel doesn't work with ext3 afaik |
| 19:03.40 | Seicherl | grml... any other tools? |
| 19:03.45 | SerajewelKS | cheal: that didn't work |
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| 19:03.56 | SerajewelKS | Seicherl: if you like looking through /dev/hda1 for stuff... |
| 19:04.04 | SerajewelKS | Seicherl: what did you delete exactly? |
| 19:04.10 | Seicherl | actually its hda6 |
| 19:04.45 | Seicherl | my fotographs from my trip to the us and other data.... it was an old backup that wasn't re-copied completely |
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| 19:04.48 | cheal | SerajewelKS: $ ls ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 19:04.48 | cheal | flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so |
| 19:05.24 | xorphus | anyone know if there's a debian package of ipf, the IP Filter firewall (that's usually on the BSDs, but _is_ available for Linux too)? |
| 19:05.25 | SerajewelKS | cheal: yeah |
| 19:05.28 | SerajewelKS | cheal: still nothing |
| 19:05.29 | marculix | Seicherl: query me, then I'll show you the detailed step by step way to restore deleted files |
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| 19:05.37 | r0g3l10 | abrotman: I'll do it |
| 19:05.38 | Seicherl | SerajewelKS: it was a bunch of data... i don'T know exactly |
| 19:05.41 | SerajewelKS | cheal: is there some config switch to turn of plugins? maybe i did that |
| 19:05.44 | cheal | SerajewelKS: did you try [re]moving your ~/.firefox ? |
| 19:05.57 | SerajewelKS | cheal: no, that's where the default profile is |
| 19:05.57 | abrotman | r0g3l10: ok .. good |
| 19:05.59 | SerajewelKS | cheal: the one that works |
| 19:06.10 | SerajewelKS | cheal: the one that doesn't work is in ~/.mozilla/firefox |
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| 19:06.49 | cheal | SerajewelKS: not a permanent one AFAIK |
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| 19:06.49 | SerajewelKS | Seicherl: it wasn't in a .tar by any chance was it? |
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| 19:06.49 | SerajewelKS | cheal: a permanent what? |
| 19:06.49 | marculix | Seicherl: querie means /msg |
| 19:06.49 | cheal | SerajewelKS: but you could try to move it temporarily at least |
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| 19:06.50 | Seicherl | nope... a directory |
| 19:06.50 | cheal | SerajewelKS: a permanent config switch to turn of plugins |
| 19:06.52 | sniperjo | Hi, how can I list all the printers |
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| 19:07.16 | SerajewelKS | cheal: 'cause this is my "locked-down" profile for surfing untrusted sites. so i disabled *a lot* of stuff. |
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| 19:07.38 | Seicherl | marculix: that's what i do |
| 19:07.41 | sniperjo | How can I list all the printers on my server and there names? |
| 19:08.25 | kingsley | sniperjo: lpstat -a |
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| 19:08.33 | Seicherl | marculix: ja kann ich. du mich auch? |
| 19:08.37 | travo | hello all...i have a question on a new debian install and gnome metacity themes...I know that i can drag and drop or use the gnome-theme-manager tool to install themes...but i cannot seem to install new themes...i just keep getting a box that pops up fast and disappears...it copies the contents to my .theme directory...but it doesnt show up as an option to select in the gnome-theme-manager...is there a text file i can edit? |
| 19:08.41 | travo | hello all...sorry i could only type so much |
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| 19:08.58 | travo | but i have a question with gnome themes and installing them |
| 19:09.03 | sniperjo | kingsley: "uknown command" |
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| 19:09.40 | Seicherl | marculix: das tu ich... /msg marculix blabla funkt aber nicht |
| 19:09.41 | ac3 | I have problems with my pam_ldap config. I installed pam_ldap and libnss-ldap, configured it so ssh users are authenticated through ldap. It worked just fine, but after a while it just stopped working and i see nothing in the logs accoring ldap. |
| 19:09.53 | ac3 | What can i do to debug this problem? |
| 19:10.34 | kingsley | sniperjo: OK, try "lpc status" |
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| 19:10.54 | SerajewelKS | cheal: #$%&... wtf |
| 19:11.08 | sniperjo | kingsley: ok that works |
| 19:11.10 | SerajewelKS | cheal: it lists flashplayer in xpti.dat |
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| 19:11.18 | SerajewelKS | cheal: but it doesn't load it |
| 19:11.20 | kingsley | ac3: Maybe strace. |
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| 19:11.40 | ac3 | i´ll try that |
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| 19:11.57 | marculix | Seicherl: Do you have ICQ? |
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| 19:12.17 | SerajewelKS | cheal: ima test on a new profile and see if it finds it |
| 19:12.19 | Seicherl | marculix: ufff... somewhere. s |
| 19:12.25 | Seicherl | marculix: skype? |
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| 19:12.34 | SerajewelKS | cheal: it does... so something in this profile is causing problems |
| 19:12.37 | k31th | hello |
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| 19:13.25 | cheal | SerajewelKS: ah. you could still check if moving ~/.firefox changes something |
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| 19:14.27 | SerajewelKS | cheal: it won't |
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| 19:14.38 | SerajewelKS | cheal: if it works on a new profile, then ~/.firefox is not the problem |
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| 19:15.14 | cheal | SerajewelKS: I don't know, it could still be a factor |
| 19:15.19 | raden | why is suse such a pos compared to debian "? |
| 19:15.26 | raden | inconsistancies up the ying yang |
| 19:15.32 | SerajewelKS | cheal: well i'll be darned |
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| 19:15.37 | tarzeau | raden: why would anyone in here care? |
| 19:15.41 | SerajewelKS | cheal: since making that new profile, the other one finds them now |
| 19:15.44 | kjm | raden : aren't you preaching to the converted? |
| 19:15.55 | tarzeau | raden: they don't allow to work on their distribution from people who are not employees |
| 19:16.02 | Tchiak | preach it to the congregation not the choir |
| 19:16.06 | pipline | What's the recommended method of getting redhat-artwork on debian? |
| 19:16.07 | SerajewelKS | cheal: this is the "weird hack of the week" |
| 19:16.15 | tarzeau | pipline: make a debian package, find a sponsor |
| 19:16.19 | cheal | SerajewelKS: hehe, nice |
| 19:16.21 | tarzeau | pipline: what exactly, got an url? |
| 19:16.26 | SerajewelKS | cheal: okay now get this.. when i delete the other profile, this one can't find them anymore |
| 19:16.30 | SerajewelKS | cheal: STYVIUSMRETCOSDTNB<MOUBWERC |
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| 19:16.47 | pipline | tarzeau: Not practical -- it's non-free and the theme engine alone is already covered by lighthouse blue |
| 19:16.57 | ac3 | how can i send the output of strace to a file? I tried "strace su - user 2&>1 > file" but no luck |
| 19:16.57 | tarzeau | pipline: it can't get into debian main then |
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| 19:17.16 | pipline | tarzeau: Suffice to say, there's no interest, but I have debs for older versions, which, with the advent of gnome 2.12, no longer work :P |
| 19:17.19 | raden | tazle, good point |
| 19:17.20 | SerajewelKS | cheal: wait |
| 19:17.26 | SerajewelKS | cheal: if i go to about:plugins then it loads them |
| 19:17.27 | raden | tarzeau, ood point |
| 19:17.30 | SerajewelKS | cheal: until i go there, it doesn't |
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| 19:17.40 | SerajewelKS | cheal: again... wtf |
| 19:18.12 | deb-ian | how do I mount a usb storage device? |
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| 19:18.40 | LoRez | deb-ian: /dev/sda1 typically |
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| 19:19.40 | syl-2 | hello. is there an equivalent command to "mke2fs", but for creating a FAT32 partition? |
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| 19:19.51 | syl-2 | ahem. filesystem i mean |
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| 19:20.14 | tarzeau | syl-2: yes |
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| 19:20.33 | Tchiak | anyone know how long it will take to tarball 10gb? |
| 19:20.43 | syl-2 | tarzeau: how is it called? i need a partition that will be available read/write for both windows and linux |
| 19:20.43 | tarzeau | Tchiak: depends on the disk |
| 19:20.55 | Myon | syl-2: dosfstools (or sth.) |
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| 19:21.26 | gnd | a bunch of applications stopped working after I did an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:21.32 | xam | syl-2: yes, it is called 'mkfs.vfat' ... in the package dosfstools |
| 19:21.32 | tarzeau | gnd: sid? |
| 19:21.37 | gnd | unstable |
| 19:21.42 | gnd | like k3b, krusader |
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| 19:22.15 | syl-2 | is there any better alternative besides fat32? |
| 19:22.21 | tarzeau | syl-2: ext3 |
| 19:22.25 | tarzeau | syl-2: ufs2 |
| 19:22.38 | gnd | if I try to reinstall krusader it says missing dependency kdelibs4c2 |
| 19:22.41 | Myon | gnd: don't use unstable if you don't want your system to break |
| 19:22.52 | syl-2 | is windows able to read these ?? |
| 19:22.57 | gnd | is there a way to fix this? |
| 19:22.59 | tarzeau | syl-2: of course not, no |
| 19:23.07 | FlimFlamMan | any recommendations for a python web application load testing utility? |
| 19:23.10 | tarzeau | gnd: certainly there is a way |
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| 19:23.42 | gnd | tarzeau: anything other than downgrading kde? |
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| 19:24.08 | paulswm | syl-2: If you want to read/write a filesystem in both Linux and Windows, fat32 is it, you can read ext2/3 in Windows but writing is dangerous, and you can read ntfs in Linux but writing is dangerous :) |
| 19:24.14 | blondie | kde can be downgraded? |
| 19:24.17 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 19:24.21 | deb-ian | how do I copy a dir? |
| 19:24.27 | Myon | gnd: the package should be called *c2a anyway |
| 19:24.34 | Myon | your system seems quite borked |
| 19:24.35 | paulswm | deb-ian: cp -r |
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| 19:24.45 | Myon | the easy way to fix it is to reinstall sarge |
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| 19:24.51 | tarzeau | gnd: fix kde, and stay with sid, maybe check experimental and #debian-kde |
| 19:24.54 | Myon | blondie: no |
| 19:24.57 | elvirolo | i'm using kde, and my problem is that some menu entries are missing (for example, dvdrip doesn't appear in the menu) ... why is that ? |
| 19:25.07 | tarzeau | gnd: maybe it's just too much work, and waiting for debian maintainers/developers fix it for you is easier |
| 19:25.15 | eeyore- | elvirolo: update-menus? |
| 19:25.16 | tarzeau | gnd: meanwhile, there is plenty way you can waste time |
| 19:25.25 | Myon | tarzeau: lol |
| 19:25.33 | blondie | Myon: thought so (couldn't get much worse) |
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| 19:26.14 | paulswm | deb-ian: but I use cp -a in order to preserve attributes, etc (-a == -dpR) |
| 19:26.19 | FallOnMe | paulswm: I thought captive-ntfs isn't too dangerous? It's dog slow, though. |
| 19:26.22 | Myon | downgrading large chunks of software only works if you Really Know what you are doing |
| 19:26.44 | elvirolo | ideas anyone ? |
| 19:26.46 | gnd | so how do you reinstall unstable? |
| 19:26.56 | abrotman | FallOnMe: "isn't too dangerous" .. how much do you value your data ? |
| 19:27.09 | Myon | gnd: you don't, you install stable, and use backports |
| 19:27.14 | deb-ian | does scp use ssh? |
| 19:27.19 | blondie | yes |
| 19:27.20 | Myon | deb-ian: yes |
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| 19:27.33 | deb-ian | when I do scp -p 18184 jsz@192.168.0.1:*.* |
| 19:27.34 | deb-ian | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:27.35 | paulswm | FallOnMe: Not tried it actually, the only non-windows ntfs writing I do is using ntfsresize and ntfsclone, so maybe you are correct |
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| 19:27.42 | deb-ian | it still trys to use port 22? |
| 19:27.44 | Myon | deb-ian: -P |
| 19:27.50 | crn | balsa reports that my outbox doesn't exist. mutt works. I'm using standard exim4 smart host. any help would be appriciated. |
| 19:27.55 | FallOnMe | abrotman: I make backups, use it, and it hasn't corrupted my XP NTFS yet. It's only a desktop machine and everything important is on ext3 though. |
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| 19:28.02 | raden | whats the diff between 3.0_r1 and 3.1r0a |
| 19:28.08 | adrake | SerajewelKS: iostat reports ~400 reads/sec and ~160 writes/sec with only gaim and bitchx running, any ideas? |
| 19:28.16 | mike___ | can someone tell me a command that will list the hard drive I/O usage of processes running on the system? |
| 19:28.17 | Myon | raden: 3.0 is woody, 3.1 is sarge |
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| 19:28.26 | paulswm | mike___: iostat |
| 19:28.35 | raden | woody stable ? |
| 19:28.38 | Myon | raden: use 3.1r0a |
| 19:28.43 | kjm | !tell raden woody |
| 19:28.45 | Myon | woody is oldstable |
| 19:28.50 | deb-ian | hmm, I can't get my head around how to send a directory with it |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | FallOnMe: apparently you don't trust it that much |
| 19:29.07 | deb-ian | I want to send from 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:29.17 | raden | whats stable ? |
| 19:29.25 | FallOnMe | abrotman: I do, else I would not run it. |
| 19:29.27 | gnd | next problem, when I try to reconfigure my kernel before recompiling it with make xconfig, I get an error Unable to find the QT installation. |
| 19:29.30 | kjm | raden : visit www.debian.org |
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| 19:31.00 | mike___ | paulswm: doesn't look like iostat can give information on a specific set of processes, just on a specific device |
| 19:31.05 | mike___ | not really useful for this situation |
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| 19:32.39 | deb-ian | how do I send a folder with ftp? |
| 19:32.43 | FallOnMe | mike___: there's a small kernel patch called atopcnt which keeps per-process I/O stats. |
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| 19:33.30 | FallOnMe | mike___: also an "atop" top-like user-space program to nicely display those. |
| 19:33.39 | mike___ | cool, thanks |
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| 19:35.16 | FallOnMe | mike___: both are available in the Debian archive, but the patch doesn't apply as-is on 2.6.13 or newer. I have a fixed version lying somewhere if you want to try. |
| 19:35.37 | JulienH | What is the most complete mta between cyrus et courier ? |
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| 19:35.49 | raden | why does everything have to be soo complex |
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| 19:35.54 | mike___ | as long as it applies on 2.6.12 it should be fine |
| 19:35.55 | Myon | deb-ian: mput |
| 19:36.03 | kjm | raden : what is complex? |
| 19:36.14 | FallOnMe | kjm: what is everything? |
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| 19:36.48 | kjm | FallOnMe : you must be an unemployed B.A. in philosophy |
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| 19:37.06 | abrotman | FallOnMe: the point was you don't trust it with your important data |
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| 19:37.29 | SimonRaven | what, reiserfs? |
| 19:37.31 | deb-ian | whats a gui ftp client for debian? |
| 19:37.32 | FallOnMe | kjm: well, with a question phrased like his, I couldn't resist. |
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| 19:37.47 | tiCo89 | deb-ian: gftp? |
| 19:37.54 | SimonRaven | xterm -e ftp& |
| 19:38.00 | FallOnMe | Heh, I also had reiserfs in production until just two days ago. |
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| 19:38.17 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: captive-ntfs was discussed. |
| 19:38.24 | elvirolo | any ideas ? |
| 19:38.36 | sussudio | !any ideas |
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| 19:38.51 | sussudio | . |
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| 19:39.24 | elvirolo | ??? |
| 19:39.28 | kjm | FallOnMe : I am guilty of the same offense :P |
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| 19:40.00 | kjm | raden - a simple explanation is :The list of Debian releases, their code names and release dates includes: |
| 19:40.03 | kjm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.06 | kjm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.08 | SimonRaven | elvirolo: AFAIK, you just now joined once, and asked 'any ideas'. any ideas on what |
| 19:40.08 | paulswm | mike___: Sorry, was afk, I see you got your question answered, thought you wanted device stats, sorry about misunderstanding |
| 19:40.08 | kjm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.20 | mike___ | paulswm: thats ok, all help is/was appreciated :) |
| 19:40.26 | SimonRaven | dpkg: test |
| 19:40.39 | SimonRaven | dead bot timing out |
| 19:40.43 | FallOnMe | So next release is scheduled for May 2009? ;-) |
| 19:40.49 | kjm | As taken from Wikipedia. The name of unstable is always SID. So, install the most recent version (Sarge) |
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| 19:41.00 | kjm | and he leaves as I give him the answer. |
| 19:41.08 | elvirolo | SimonRaven: sorry, i was there before |
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| 19:41.21 | kjm | Teach me to try and help a guy to try to learn for himself |
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| 19:41.41 | Myon | elvirolo: and you got an answer |
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| 19:41.53 | elvirolo | never mind nobody will answer this tuime either anyway |
| 19:41.56 | elvirolo | thanks anyway |
| 19:42.01 | elvirolo | bye |
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| 19:42.10 | SimonRaven | how about you ask the |
| 19:42.12 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 19:42.14 | Myon | .oO(whatever) |
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| 19:42.45 | paulswm | kjm: Yeah well it happens all the time to all of us, still an annoying experience though :) |
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| 19:43.13 | paulswm | And how will we be kingsley-productive if people don't thank us??????? |
| 19:43.13 | noloK | hi |
| 19:43.27 | kjm | paukswm : heh, I know....ungrateful masses whose lives would improve 100 fold if they simply learned to use google |
| 19:43.41 | noloK | how i can mount, add and then unmount an usb mp3 player? |
| 19:43.47 | Myon | kjm: assuming they are able to read |
| 19:43.50 | noloK | add files i mean :) |
| 19:43.56 | kjm | Myon : touche |
| 19:44.11 | paulswm | kjm: And the frustrating thing is you don't know they're going to be ungrateful till they're gone, too late to raise the finger :P |
| 19:44.19 | JulienH | What are the differences between Cyrus and Courrier ? |
| 19:44.28 | SimonRaven | and comprehend *what* they read |
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| 19:44.39 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 19:44.41 | pipline | syl-2: Windows can read ext2 if you download a third-party filesystem driver. FreeBSD will sort of read ext2. OSX will also sort-of read it. |
| 19:44.41 | sussudio | !test |
| 19:44.42 | badgers | Sorry, sussudio, I didn't get your test. |
| 19:44.44 | kjm | paulswm : I still give the monitor the finger for the small satistfaction it gives me |
| 19:44.46 | FallOnMe | paulswm: What does it mean to be "kingsley productive"? I don't get the reference. |
| 19:44.50 | SimonRaven | thanks sussudio |
| 19:44.51 | pipline | FallOnMe: Do not use captive NTFS. Period. |
| 19:45.03 | FallOnMe | pipline: what then? ;-) |
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| 19:45.22 | SimonRaven | JulienH: many |
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| 19:45.35 | Myon | dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead here |
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| 19:46.17 | noloK | how i can mount, add file and then unmount an usb mp3 player? |
| 19:46.30 | paulswm | FallOnMe: This kind of pointless stuff: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 19:46.51 | sussudio | in soviet russia, usb mass storage device modprobes you, then mounts you. |
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| 19:46.55 | kjm | nolok : /dev/sda1 usually |
| 19:47.00 | pipline | FallOnMe: Eh, the best way to get write access to NTFS under UNIX is to use Qemu and SMB or NFS |
| 19:47.10 | FallOnMe | paulswm: thanks |
| 19:47.11 | FallOnMe | ;-( |
| 19:47.14 | FallOnMe | ;-) |
| 19:47.16 | sorush20 | guys where are the unstable repositories? |
| 19:47.22 | JulienH | SimonRaven: which one should I consider in a huge usage environment ? (thousands email addresses and gigabytes mailboxes) |
| 19:47.26 | kjm | nolok : drag files using whatever file manager you use. |
| 19:47.28 | paulswm | FallOnMe: Don't thank me, I hate it :) |
| 19:47.29 | pipline | FallOnMe: i.e. give Qemu raw access to the hard drive, then use the guest copy of windows to share the NTFS volume over NFS |
| 19:47.49 | Myon | sorush20: ftp.d.o, but if you ask that, you are probably better off using stable |
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| 19:48.09 | noloK | kjm, some packeges? usbview? usbutils or not? only mount a /dev/sda1 and copy to it the files? |
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| 19:48.56 | SimonRaven | JulienH: cyrus |
| 19:48.57 | paulswm | FallOnMe: I mean I hate the chart, that is :) |
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| 19:49.52 | paulswm | I just use a separate fat32 volume for sharing files between XP and Linux it is the simplest solution |
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| 19:50.04 | levander | Anybody know if there's a way to turn on long file name support in nautilus? Or, is it on by default? |
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| 19:50.09 | FallOnMe | pipline: Uh, I don't feel comfortable running two OS-es thinking they have complete access to the disk at the same time. I tried a similar thing using VMWare one time, and it didn't really work. Does your solution work in real life? |
| 19:50.11 | pipline | paulswm: But vFAT makes children cry :( |
| 19:50.21 | pipline | FallOnMe: I've done it before. |
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| 19:50.32 | pipline | FallOnMe: VMWare's documentation tells you exactly what not to do |
| 19:50.38 | doleyb | levander: its always on. or, why do you think it's not? |
| 19:50.46 | pipline | FallOnMe: The guest and host OS cannot access the same volume simultaneously, even read-only, or the whole thing goes to shit. |
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| 19:51.13 | pipline | FallOnMe: Ok, I've never done it with Qemu, but I've done it with Simics and VMware :P |
| 19:51.19 | levander | I'm getting some "invalidly encoded string" error when I try to burn a dvd in nautilus. The files in the directories do have a bunch of wierd names. They're music files I downloaded off napster years ago. |
| 19:51.23 | paulswm | pipline: Every time non-Windows software writes to ntfs, Bill Gates kills a bunny rabbit :) |
| 19:51.31 | kjm | lol |
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| 19:51.39 | doleyb | levander: suggestion, try k3b instead of naut |
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| 19:51.42 | bowman | heya :) anyone using v4l2? I need a way to get audio from my tv card to the sound card internally, without sticking extra cables into the back of my comp. |
| 19:51.53 | FallOnMe | pipline: yes, well, I did just that, and it almost worked. VMWare at the time did't have ACPI emualtion, do XP didn't boot (wrong HAL something). |
| 19:51.55 | tarzeau | bowman: loaded msp3400 module? |
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| 19:52.02 | Myon | levander: probably the filenames use the wrong charset |
| 19:52.04 | pipline | paulswm: In other news, rabbit flesh has recently been declared to be a national strategic good, after it was discovered that rabbit corneas are required to make those lovely holographic licenses for Microsoft software. |
| 19:52.06 | tarzeau | bowman: hey wait, you need those cables! |
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| 19:52.14 | pipline | FallOnMe: Read the fucking manual. |
| 19:52.21 | pipline | FallOnMe: Microsoft is quite explicit about what you can and cannot do. |
| 19:52.23 | mtnman | paulswm; i hear he doesn't actually kill them himself. he has a team of bunny eradication engineers. |
| 19:52.23 | gnd | When I try to reconfigure my kernel before recompiling it with make xconfig, I get an error: Unable to find the QT installation. Any ideas how to fix that? |
| 19:52.40 | levander | Myon: any software that will let me check the charsets, possibly even correct them? |
| 19:52.41 | pipline | FallOnMe: You can change from an ACPI HAL to an IBM-compatible HAL, but you have to do it BEFORE you put the drive in the new machine. |
| 19:52.45 | bowman | tarzeau: why should I - the system should be able to play data from dsp1 on dsp0 internally, shouldn't it? |
| 19:52.58 | pipline | FallOnMe: Also, you cannot make the opposite change, from IBM-compatible to ACPI> |
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| 19:53.09 | tarzeau | bowman: i don't think so |
| 19:53.16 | Myon | levander: I'd fix them manually in vi with a sh script |
| 19:53.19 | FallOnMe | pipline: Yeah, well, that's why I need rw access before booting windows. ;-) |
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| 19:53.25 | Myon | no ready tool, sorry |
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| 19:53.32 | pipline | FallOnMe: You need to have windows booted to change the HAL. You can't do it offline. |
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| 19:53.47 | doleyb | gnd: install qt, or simply use menuconfig instead of xconfig |
| 19:53.58 | levander | Myon: how do I do that? |
| 19:54.10 | pipline | FallOnMe: Well, you could do it offline, but the odds are extremely good that NT would blue-screen on boot because the device trees in the registry would be hosed all to shit. |
| 19:54.26 | FallOnMe | pipline: Indeed. |
| 19:54.29 | levander | Myon: there's a command line tool that will check charsets of filenames I can use in a sh script? |
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| 19:54.43 | levander | Myon: I am decent at shell scripting. |
| 19:54.44 | Myon | levander: you can try http://svn.df7cb.de/dotfiles/cb/bin/mvi + vim and :set fileencoding=<rightthing> |
| 19:54.50 | pipline | levander: Set your locale appropriately before you run the script. |
| 19:55.06 | bowman | there was this tool like jack or something? let me search the packages :-) |
| 19:55.12 | Seicherl | is there a reason why debugfs lsdel can't find a single inode on a filesystem though i have just deleted some files via samba?! |
| 19:55.15 | pipline | levander: You would need a wrapper script to do this, otherwise you can't guarantee what the kernel loader will do :P |
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| 19:55.46 | FallOnMe | pipline: btw, is there a way to transfer windoze to another boot disk (actually, rearrange the raid) without having it blue-screen exactly because of the changed devices? |
| 19:56.08 | pipline | FallOnMe: If it boots from a dynamic volume, you're hosed. |
| 19:56.16 | paulswm | pipline, mtnman: was afk, you guys are funny :) |
| 19:56.18 | FallOnMe | pipline: no, normal part.table. |
| 19:56.20 | pipline | FallOnMe: The windows installer doesn't understand the windows partition format. |
| 19:56.24 | pipline | paulswm: ??? |
| 19:56.35 | pipline | FallOnMe: Uh, then it should "just work" |
| 19:56.42 | pipline | FallOnMe: Err, not a dynamic volume, but rather a dynamic DISK |
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| 19:56.45 | paulswm | pipline: rabbit corneas |
| 19:56.59 | FallOnMe | pipline: yes, I assumed you meant that. |
| 19:57.03 | levander | I have vim and perl installed, do I just run that mvi script from the command line? |
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| 19:57.26 | pipline | FallOnMe: When you put a dynamic volume on a disk, it writes a windows-style partition table. The windows installer dates to the NT 3.1 era and only understands DOS partition tables. So you would be fucked :P |
| 19:58.09 | levander | Myon: and I put that "set fileencoding" command inside vim? |
| 19:58.19 | Myon | yes |
| 19:58.23 | FallOnMe | pipline: oh well. On linux, I could do a backup, pivot_root to RAM disk, format the bloody raid under its boots and restore it back, all without rebooting. If only this could be done on Windows. ;-) |
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| 19:58.47 | pipline | FallOnMe: NT has a lot of weird design choices in the interests of portability. |
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| 19:59.25 | pholie | hello hackers, can I simply find out which pkg has installed a file on my system? |
| 19:59.28 | Seicherl | anybody experienced with debugfs???!! |
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| 19:59.41 | kjm | pholie : apt-cache policy |
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| 19:59.50 | FallOnMe | pipline: I'm afraid that the XP/2003 style licensing will sense boot-disk changes and fuck something up. |
| 20:00.01 | Myon | pholie: dpkg -S |
| 20:00.02 | kjm | pholie : or apt-cache search I can never remember |
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| 20:00.09 | kjm | pholie : or what he said |
| 20:00.36 | pholie | kjm, Seicherl Myon good thank you :) |
| 20:01.04 | pholie | ehh Seicherl you not, sorry :) |
| 20:01.08 | Seicherl | i don't know what for, but you're welcome |
| 20:01.10 | Seicherl | ;) |
| 20:01.21 | pipline | FallOnMe: I wouldn't know; I've only ever had volume licenses at work. |
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| 20:02.47 | Seicherl | anybody experienced with debugfs???!! |
| 20:03.02 | Seicherl | plz! i need to recover some files! |
| 20:03.02 | Myon | man metaquestion |
| 20:03.10 | andrew_ | sorry n00b question, im going to get wine but first i need to find out about my 3dcard, is there someway i can find out if its installed or not? |
| 20:03.14 | paulswm | FallOnMe: Yes, you can do it, but carefully. If it's on the same box the HAL should be OK, but, unless its on the same partition and disk you'll have to edit the boot.ini to point to the new one (for isntance, if you copied the partition to the same partition on new disk, then swapped the old and new disks, the new partition would be in the same place as the old one). Aside from that: use ntfsclone (or dd if you wish) to copy the partit |
| 20:03.14 | paulswm | ion - I recommend ntfsclone - then boot windows on the new disk, but *** be sure to ether use cfdisk to change the partition type on the old XP partition to hidden (add 0x10 to the partition type), or put a stanza in the grub menu entry to hide the old partition - if you boot xp with both system partitions visible, you'll be fucked and have to start over |
| 20:03.16 | Myon | Seicherl: restore your backup |
| 20:03.22 | Seicherl | huahua |
| 20:03.30 | Seicherl | that was my backup |
| 20:03.53 | kjm | andrew : run TuxRacer - if it runs slower than a fat kid sliding through molasses you probably dont have 3d accel working. |
| 20:03.59 | paulswm | I'm sorry, I mean "you'll be in trouble and have to start over" |
| 20:04.03 | Seicherl | i deleted it via samba and debugfs won't find a single deleted i-node |
| 20:04.05 | kjm | :P My "I have no idea" answer |
| 20:04.10 | andrew_ | kjm:sounds good |
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| 20:05.17 | matusz | andrew_: I use chromium for that, loads faster than tuxracer |
| 20:05.47 | bowman | maybe this question is stupid, but: if dsp0 is the device that makes my soundcard play audio, why can I not simply tell it to play the data from dsp1? |
| 20:05.54 | PupenoL | Why do packages that I have remove remain in the list that I get by dpkg -l (yes, in not-installed status, but then, why ?) |
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| 20:06.14 | paulswm | !beer Guerin |
| 20:06.24 | FallOnMe | paulswm: It will be on the same machine, I'll just change the disk layout. The boot partition should even keep the same device and partition number. I'll check out ntfsclone, thanks for the tip. |
| 20:07.21 | andrew_ | kjm:definately not installed :P |
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| 20:07.32 | paulswm | FallOnMe: I've moved xp around loads of times. Be sure to *keep* the ntfsclone backup until you've got everything working OK. The secret is not to have both system partitions visible at the same time |
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| 20:08.12 | matusz | andrew_: chromium is also about 1/4 the size of tuxracer |
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| 20:08.52 | adrake | This is bugging me, I still can't figure out why my hdd is so active...it's averaging 400 writes and 170 reads/sec....and I'm not doing anything! |
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| 20:09.02 | adrake | tried noapic and acpi=off boot options, no avail |
| 20:09.16 | pipline | adrake: Background daemon gone nuts logging? something mounted "sync" ? |
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| 20:09.28 | ohad | i am trying to install a pkg using apt-get that has unment dep. when i try to install these pkg libbonoboui2-0, libgnome2-0, libgnomeui-0 i get the msg that i already have version libbonoboui2-common (= 2.8.0-2) but 2.10.1-1 is to be installed .. i tried to upgrade. that didn't work. i tried to download from source. that didn't work either (i got ument dep.) ideas how to resolve this issue? |
| 20:09.31 | andrew_ | matusz:sos exceedingly n00bish, if i list my manual entry for video caard can you tell me what graphics card i have? |
| 20:09.37 | pipline | Seicherl: You're probably screwed. |
| 20:09.38 | adrake | pipline: already check them, no dice.. |
| 20:09.59 | FallOnMe | adrake: cron jobs started at an unusual time via anacron? |
| 20:10.20 | Tenkawa | adrake: does top show anything odd |
| 20:10.24 | bowman | andrew_: lspci? |
| 20:10.28 | adrake | FallOnMe: it's a default install of deb3.1r0 on a brand new hard disk. The only thing I've installed is xfce, gaim, bitchx, vim |
| 20:10.38 | adrake | Tenkawa: cpu is 99% idle all the time |
| 20:10.45 | adrake | The only activity is really on the disk |
| 20:10.53 | Tenkawa | adrake: cpu being idle doesnt always matter |
| 20:10.59 | andrew_ | bowman:will that list it if its not installed? |
| 20:11.02 | Tenkawa | you need to look at io #'s |
| 20:11.03 | FallOnMe | adrake: then you probably have anacron. ps -fe |grep find show anything? |
| 20:11.13 | adrake | Tenkawa: none of the processes are using any cpu or mem to speak of |
| 20:11.19 | cheal | ohad: please paste what you're talking about |
| 20:11.19 | bowman | andrew_: not installed in the sense of "not inside the computer"? |
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| 20:11.30 | adrake | FallOnMe: nothing at all |
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| 20:11.39 | andrew_ | bowman:lol no just not linux installed |
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| 20:11.52 | bowman | andrew_: you mean no suitable module for the card is loaded? |
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| 20:11.58 | Tenkawa | could be wrong dma mode |
| 20:12.09 | Tenkawa | co9uld be 16 bitr io mode |
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| 20:12.13 | Tenkawa | or no dma |
| 20:12.16 | Tenkawa | etc etc etc |
| 20:12.23 | adrake | Tenkawa: how would I go about inspecting/changing that? |
| 20:12.28 | Tenkawa | dmesg spitting out anything |
| 20:12.29 | Tenkawa | ? |
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| 20:12.41 | Tenkawa | hdparm -i /dev/device |
| 20:12.44 | adrake | the drive is a standard ultra ata 100 2.5" hdd |
| 20:12.56 | Tenkawa | no such thinbg as a standard drive |
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| 20:13.04 | andrew_ | bowman:as in ppracer crashes :P, so yeah |
| 20:13.06 | Tenkawa | tthats too generic of a statement :) |
| 20:13.12 | bowman | andrew_: lspci ;) |
| 20:13.28 | feb | how can one restart the config program for X11 that appeared during the installation ? |
| 20:13.28 | adrake | Tenkawa: dma is on /shrug |
| 20:13.30 | Tenkawa | adrake: notebook eh? |
| 20:13.34 | FallOnMe | adrake: so much for that guess. does it stop if you go to single user? ;-) |
| 20:13.40 | ohad | cheal, can i msg you? |
| 20:13.51 | adrake | Tenkawa: yes, worked fine on deb 3.0r1 with kernel 2.6.10 |
| 20:13.55 | andrew_ | bowman: so just to clarify "VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]" is my graphics card which i need to install somehow? |
| 20:13.59 | adrake | FallOnMe: still does it in single user |
| 20:14.02 | cheal | ohad: it's ideal if you use a paster. if you can't, use #flood |
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| 20:14.20 | adrake | Tenkawa: had to get a new drive because the old one was spitting out nasty errors |
| 20:14.20 | Tenkawa | adrake: what kind of notebook |
| 20:14.21 | bowman | andrew_: yep |
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| 20:14.29 | andrew_ | bowman:thanx |
| 20:14.31 | Tenkawa | it might be your drive controller |
| 20:14.35 | adrake | Tenkawa: whitebox, has been working for the last two years though :) |
| 20:14.36 | FallOnMe | adrake: that is strange, no processes (to speak of) and still i/o? |
| 20:14.46 | Tenkawa | I'm on a notebook right now myself |
| 20:14.47 | adrake | Tenkawa: it doesn't happen if I just boot into the BIOS or if I boot into Windows |
| 20:15.07 | adrake | FallOnMe: correct, I don't know what's doing all the reading/writing. |
| 20:15.18 | Tenkawa | adrake: what are you using to determine read/writes? |
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| 20:15.29 | adrake | Tenkawa: iostat |
| 20:15.37 | Tenkawa | and what were your #'s? |
| 20:15.51 | FallOnMe | adrake: hrm... try vmstat and see if there is any swapping going on too. |
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| 20:16.11 | mjk64 | !tell mjk64 -about fbcon |
| 20:16.24 | adrake | Tenkawa: they go down over time, right now 209 read/sec, 85 write/sec but that's with only xfce, bitchx and gaim running |
| 20:16.33 | adrake | FallOnMe: I don't have any swap, and have plenty of free memory |
| 20:16.36 | ohad | cheal, i'm in #flood |
| 20:16.44 | cheal | ohad: OK |
| 20:16.47 | mjk64 | Huh? Has "badgers" taken over "dpkg"? |
| 20:16.53 | adrake | The light just stays on more or less permanently |
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| 20:17.09 | adrake | and the disk stays very warm, kind of worrysome |
| 20:17.14 | Tenkawa | how many tps adrake? |
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| 20:17.23 | FallOnMe | adrake: The amount of memory matters not, as recent Linux is known to swap rather aggresively. |
| 20:17.25 | adrake | Tenkawa: 6.62 right now |
| 20:17.29 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 20:17.35 | Tenkawa | I'm lmost at 12 |
| 20:17.42 | Tenkawa | Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
| 20:17.42 | Tenkawa | hda 11.86 160.19 228.50 4032861 5752543 |
| 20:17.55 | Tenkawa | and my mahine is acting fine |
| 20:18.02 | adrake | Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
| 20:18.02 | adrake | hda 6.29 186.09 76.78 173298 71496 |
| 20:18.16 | Tenkawa | those numbers dont worry me |
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| 20:18.25 | cheal | ohad: which release do you run? try installing libgnome2-0 |
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| 20:18.49 | adrake | Tenkawa: What worries me is that the disk activity light is staying on permanently and it wasn't doing that before. In addition, I'm also worried about the heat the disk is generating |
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| 20:19.11 | mjk64 | How can I switch to Matroxfb framebuffer console? Boot parameter "video=matrox:vesa:<whatevermode>" doesn't work. :-( |
| 20:19.12 | adrake | It's hotter than the last drive...but that's to be expected...last drive was 4200rpm and this one is 5400 |
| 20:19.14 | Tenkawa | msg me a hdparm /dev/hda output |
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| 20:19.36 | FallOnMe | Tenkawa: I have Opera, Firefox, XChat and lots of terms lying around and no disk activity, mostly it stays at 0.00/0.00. |
| 20:19.38 | adrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.38 | adrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.38 | adrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.38 | adrake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.47 | feb | sorry, for asking again, but which command starts the text tool used to configure X11 ? |
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| 20:19.50 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 20:19.57 | adrake | oops :) |
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| 20:20.12 | Tenkawa | adrake: well you need to minimally hdparm -c 1 /dev/hda |
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| 20:20.20 | FallOnMe | turn on that multcount thingy. |
| 20:20.22 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 20:20.26 | cheal | feb: you must be thinking about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:20.27 | Tenkawa | mult and read ahead too |
| 20:20.40 | feb | cheal: trying |
| 20:20.45 | FallOnMe | Tenkawa: Does -c do anything visible? I have not noticed. |
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| 20:20.47 | adrake | Tenkawa: readahead is on |
| 20:20.52 | Tenkawa | ok |
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| 20:21.04 | Tenkawa | FallOnMe: it can depending on the controller |
| 20:21.13 | andrew_ | would i be wanting to use a VGA or S3 driver if my lspci output was "VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]"? |
| 20:21.36 | adrake | Tenkawa: these settings are saved across reboots? |
| 20:21.40 | Tenkawa | nope |
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| 20:22.18 | feb | cheal: yes, that's it. thanks again. |
| 20:22.25 | Tenkawa | you might want to scan through a hdparm -i too and see if anything looks funny |
| 20:22.30 | adrake | Tenkawa: I'm just wondering about this activity light. Seems strange that it doesn't go off (except for brief periods of < 5 seconds every 10 mins or so) |
| 20:22.51 | Tenkawa | also see what hdparm -C /dev/hda reports |
| 20:22.53 | adrake | Tenkawa: I honestly don't know what "funny" would look like :) |
| 20:22.58 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 20:23.06 | Tenkawa | check the 3 mode lines |
| 20:23.15 | Tenkawa | see which mode is starred |
| 20:23.17 | FallOnMe | adrake: I'm still puzzled it's doing something even in single-user (that is, init 1) |
| 20:23.20 | adrake | udma5 |
| 20:23.23 | Tenkawa | check the wrie cache, |
| 20:23.38 | adrake | enabled |
| 20:23.40 | Tenkawa | FallOnMe: it depends on what that drive thinks its doing |
| 20:23.49 | Tenkawa | it may be having s.m.a.r.t. issues |
| 20:23.51 | adrake | drive state is active/idle |
| 20:23.58 | adrake | tenkawa smartctl reports the drive is healthy |
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| 20:24.03 | Tenkawa | you tried disabling smart? |
| 20:24.08 | adrake | no |
| 20:24.14 | adrake | just used it to check the drive |
| 20:24.19 | FallOnMe | Tenkawa: yeah, but visible i/o in iostat? Who cares if the drive is dying, Linux should have nothing with that. ;-) |
| 20:24.42 | adrake | down to 4tps now but still 130 reads/sec and the light is constantly on :) |
| 20:24.49 | Tenkawa | FallOnMe: this is where my knowledge lacks in how the kernel reads the i/o paths to record the statts |
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| 20:24.59 | _Roey | hi |
| 20:25.06 | adrake | FallOnMe: the drive is brand new :) |
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| 20:25.14 | Tenkawa | so I dont know if it watches the drive regardless of what its actually doing in the system or not |
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| 20:25.23 | _Roey | does LVM work in Etch with kernel 2.6.12?? I thought LVM produced data corruption.... |
| 20:25.42 | mjk64 | How can I activate Matrox framebuffer console instead of the VGA or VESA framebuffer? Boot parameter video=matrox:vesa:<somemode> doesn't work. :-( |
| 20:25.47 | FallOnMe | adrake: Google installed alpha-spyware-desktop-Google-search-for-Linux on your machine. Resistance is useless. |
| 20:25.48 | worph | witam mam problem z polskimi ogonami, nie moge ich pisac |
| 20:26.05 | FallOnMe | !pl |
| 20:26.05 | badgers | rumour has it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:26.06 | andrew_ | DO i need a VGA or S3 driver if my lspci output was "VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]"? |
| 20:26.27 | adrake | Tenkawa: disabled smart, light is still on :) |
| 20:26.30 | adrake | FallOnMe : lol |
| 20:26.41 | omniboggle | is there a way to check if my soundcard is installed or not? |
| 20:26.41 | Tenkawa | adrake: well darn that sucks |
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| 20:26.50 | Tenkawa | omniboggle: yeah.. look in the case |
| 20:27.00 | omniboggle | yea yea... lol |
| 20:27.03 | Tenkawa | heehee |
| 20:27.03 | omniboggle | it wokrs on my windows boot |
| 20:27.14 | jsz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.15 | omniboggle | but doesnt seem to work on my unstable boot |
| 20:27.17 | Tenkawa | try aumix/alsamixer |
| 20:27.22 | jsz_ | Linux Darkstar.AceShells.com 2.4.26-ow3 #2 Wed Aug 11 22:20:42 BST 2004 i686 unknown |
| 20:27.31 | Tenkawa | jsz_: your point? |
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| 20:27.50 | jsz_ | Tenkawa just testing ;) |
| 20:27.50 | Tenkawa | :) |
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| 20:28.03 | fransemail | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.05 | FallOnMe | Tenkawa: He tries to amaze us with the Mighy GMT TIMEZONE! |
| 20:28.18 | fransemail | I've installed last KDE 3.5 from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org. This repository seems update kdelibs2c into kdelibs2ca. As results synaptic had removed all applications that need old kdelibs2c. To install some other packages, i.e. kde-i18n, I extract control file with 'ar' and manually changed dependency. |
| 20:28.19 | Tenkawa | but it was BST!!!! |
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| 20:28.23 | Tenkawa | haahaahaa |
| 20:28.25 | adrake | Tenkawa: out of ideas? |
| 20:28.28 | adrake | :) |
| 20:28.30 | Tenkawa | adrake: currently yes |
| 20:28.31 | kjhb | hello, can i install debian on my hard disc on /dev/sda1 or sdb1?? plz |
| 20:28.32 | cheal | fransemail: ask #debian-kde |
| 20:28.42 | Tenkawa | adrake: this one is intriguing |
| 20:28.53 | FallOnMe | Tenkawa: we'll see in April... if the machine says up ;-) |
| 20:28.59 | adrake | Tenkawa: all of my admin friends are stumped :) |
| 20:29.02 | Tenkawa | Why april? |
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| 20:29.11 | FallOnMe | Tenkawa: daylight saving. |
| 20:29.15 | Tenkawa | FallOnMe: oh |
| 20:29.33 | ohad | cheal, i tried |
| 20:29.34 | Tenkawa | adrake: you tried that drive on a diff puter> |
| 20:29.36 | Tenkawa | ? |
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| 20:29.47 | cheal | ohad: give the output of that one too |
| 20:29.52 | Tenkawa | omniboggle: any luck? |
| 20:29.55 | adrake | Tenkawa: don't have another laptop to plug it into :) |
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| 20:29.59 | Tenkawa | adrake: drats |
| 20:30.00 | adrake | Tenkawa: it works fine in windows |
| 20:30.08 | maxman | Hi. I'm new to Debian (and GNU/Linux in gereral) and I wanted to ask if anyone knows where I can get Debian packages that are not in the apt repository. Like new versions, etc. In fact, I would like to get Firefox 1.5 final. |
| 20:30.09 | adrake | and just booting into the BIOS |
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| 20:30.20 | Tenkawa | booting to te bios should be idle |
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| 20:30.44 | adrake | Tenkawa : tps is under 4 and reads/sec is 104 though....so it's gone down :) |
| 20:30.47 | donald | Question: Can i get CorelLinux help here?? |
| 20:30.50 | Tenkawa | thats cool |
| 20:30.53 | adrake | Tenkawa: don't know why the light stays on though hehe |
| 20:30.54 | FallOnMe | What's bot with the wrong? |
| 20:31.02 | cheal | donald: no, this is a Debian support channel |
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| 20:31.13 | donald | OK thanks. |
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| 20:31.17 | FallOnMe | dpkg, hi |
| 20:31.24 | Tenkawa | ok.. back to work.. bbl |
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| 20:31.55 | donald | Question: Is there a known CorelLinux support channel?? |
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| 20:32.07 | Mr-R | donald: corel linux is quite old: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=corel |
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| 20:32.24 | donald | OK thanks. |
| 20:32.28 | cheal | ohad: which release do you run? |
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| 20:33.00 | Mr-R | FallOnMe: it does not. quote from distrowatch: "2001-08-29: Corel Abandons Linux" |
| 20:33.01 | cheal | donald: #corel |
| 20:33.36 | ohad | cheal, testing |
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| 20:34.14 | maxman | Does anybody know where I can get a Firefox 1.5 Debian package? |
| 20:34.35 | cheal | maxman: there are no 1.5.0 Debian packages yet |
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| 20:35.06 | maxman | cheal, when do you think there will be one? |
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| 20:35.26 | gnd | which package do I need to install to get QT? |
| 20:35.27 | cheal | maxman: probably only in a few days |
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| 20:35.47 | cheal | gnd: apt-cache search libqt |
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| 20:35.53 | gnd | When I try to reconfigure my kernel before recompiling it with make xconfig, I get an error: Unable to find the QT installation? |
| 20:36.09 | cheal | gnd: did you read the kernel-package documentation? |
| 20:36.10 | ohad | cheal, what do you suggest? |
| 20:36.19 | psychonate | make menuconfig is alright too |
| 20:36.37 | tarzeau | !debianfont |
| 20:36.38 | FallOnMe | maxman: there is a 1.5rc3 version in experimental, so it's being worked on. |
| 20:36.39 | cheal | ohad: I'm wondering what's happening to your system? you're in the process of upgrading a somehow old testing? |
| 20:36.40 | maxman | cheal, if I can get a package of a release candidate, will I be able to recieve the final version with the update thing? |
| 20:36.46 | tarzeau | apt debianfont |
| 20:36.56 | tarzeau | apt debian font |
| 20:37.03 | maxman | FallOnMe, thanks |
| 20:37.03 | ohad | cheal, no. but it seems odd to me as well |
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| 20:37.20 | gnd | I have libqt2 and libqt3c102 installed |
| 20:37.39 | cheal | gnd: that's not the package you need |
| 20:37.45 | selfcontr0l | they said the RC3 is identical to the realease (at least for win32) |
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| 20:38.12 | FallOnMe | Yeah, but I wouldn't run an experimental package. There's no upgrade path. |
| 20:38.14 | gnd | also libqt3-mt and libqt3-headers |
| 20:38.21 | cheal | ohad: did you run # apt-get update; recently? |
| 20:38.27 | cheal | gnd: neither |
| 20:38.29 | maxman | selfcontr0l, yeah, but some extensions probably don't work with it |
| 20:38.32 | adrake | Tenkawa: 3.09tpx, 82.27reads/sec, 38.48 writes/sec but the light is still on solid :) |
| 20:38.35 | gnd | and libqt3-compat-headers |
| 20:38.39 | ohad | cheal, yes. there was nothing to upgrade |
| 20:38.49 | ohad | cheal, i update on a regular basis |
| 20:39.04 | adrake | and my xfce4-panel doesn't load properly :) |
| 20:39.07 | mjk64 | How can I change the framebuffer console in Debian from VGA(16)/VESA(?) to anything else? Like matrox or whatever ... "video=matrox:vesa:<mode>" boot parameter does *not* work. |
| 20:39.12 | FallOnMe | adrake: is the light on even if you boot in single user? |
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| 20:39.23 | cheal | ohad: I'm not talking about upgrade, but apt-get update. AFAIK gnome 2.10 has been in testing for...at least a month? |
| 20:39.31 | adrake | FallOnMe: yes, it gets to the root password/ctrl-d prompt and then stays on |
| 20:39.40 | FallOnMe | adrake: fuck |
| 20:39.42 | gnd | cheal: which one do I need then? |
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| 20:40.04 | glen___ | can anyone suggest a program or a away to figure out which program makes disk io on my system, just looking at top doesn't give me hint. i'm looking at vmstat and i see write in every three second. this is not normal i think |
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| 20:40.12 | cheal | gnd: did you read the kernel-package documentation? |
| 20:40.20 | adrake | FallOnMe: it's really weird....almost like the status is inverted...so if the light is on there is no disk activity and if it's off then the disk is active....can that happen? |
| 20:40.22 | gnd | cheal: where do I find that? |
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| 20:40.35 | cheal | gnd: in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 20:40.36 | FallOnMe | adrake: oh, btw is that a sata disk? |
| 20:40.50 | adrake | FallOnMe: ATA/100 |
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| 20:41.10 | adrake | FallOnMe: it's like it's inverted, but it's not |
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| 20:41.40 | FallOnMe | glen___: write every 5 seconds is normal for linux 2.6. |
| 20:41.56 | cheal | FallOnMe: I don't think so |
| 20:42.15 | FallOnMe | glen___: It updates access times for the files and directories that ... were accessed. |
| 20:42.23 | cheal | I mean...not without some system activity |
| 20:42.32 | glen___ | FallOnMe: if i remount with noatime? |
| 20:42.46 | FallOnMe | glen___: that should get rid of it. |
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| 20:43.36 | maxwelle | Hello... Je zde nekdo z CR |
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| 20:43.48 | FallOnMe | cheal: I always have some activity on a desktop machine. |
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| 20:44.21 | cheal | FallOnMe: not me. we're talking, and there's no disk activity |
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| 20:44.23 | unixrox | hello all...is the metacity theme manager broken in stable? I am having problems with it installing new themes... |
| 20:44.35 | eigenlambda | is the mozilla-firefox package in sid supposed to be obsoleted by firefox? |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | !info firefox sid |
| 20:44.46 | cheal | FallOnMe: except on my laptop, and I'll try tracking that bug someday |
| 20:44.53 | abrotman | oh no .. badgers?!?!!? |
| 20:45.05 | FallOnMe | adrake: what about booting with init=/bin/sh, is it still on? ;-) Not that it would help you for anything. |
| 20:45.05 | eigenlambda | hehe |
| 20:45.13 | eigenlambda | i forgot, query dpkg first |
| 20:45.19 | badgers | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7585 kB, Installed size: 21588 kB |
| 20:45.23 | FallOnMe | abrotman: who cares for badgers, what's with dpkg? |
| 20:45.30 | cheal | eigenlambda: mozilla-firefox *is* firefox... |
| 20:45.43 | eigenlambda | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
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| 20:45.52 | badgers | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7444 kB, Installed size: 21016 kB |
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| 20:46.00 | unixrox | is anyone here running the metacity window manager in gnome? |
| 20:46.04 | eigenlambda | cheal: not really... |
| 20:46.20 | glen___ | but still, is there way to find out who writes when and where. like some auditing |
| 20:46.42 | cy_ | why does dpkg ignore me ? :\ |
| 20:46.52 | eigenlambda | why does sid have two firefox packages? |
| 20:46.56 | cy_ | why does dpkg java |
| 20:46.59 | FallOnMe | glen___: I don't think so. There are some kernel patches for that. |
| 20:46.59 | cy_ | lol |
| 20:47.01 | cy_ | sorr |
| 20:47.02 | cy_ | y |
| 20:47.06 | astronut | it does/ |
| 20:47.08 | eigenlambda | kk ^_^ |
| 20:47.20 | astronut | s!/!?! |
| 20:47.32 | astronut | eigenlambda: it does? |
| 20:47.37 | FallOnMe | glen___: I tried "atopcnt" and it works. Keeps per-process I/O stats under /proc/<pid>/ |
| 20:47.47 | bracken | Hey, I just installed breezy badger and everything seems to be fine except that I can only use the resolution 640X480. I'm currently in KDE, and have somewhat limited Linux knowledge. Could someone help me out? |
| 20:47.56 | eigenlambda | yea, firefox and mozilla-firefox |
| 20:48.06 | cheal | bracken: breezy badger isn't a Debian release |
| 20:48.22 | glen___ | FallOnMe: it's patch or program? |
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| 20:48.24 | cheal | eigenlambda: it does? |
| 20:48.25 | mjk64 | How do I switch from vga16fb to *ANY* other framebuffer driver? In my case, either "vesafb" or "matroxfb". |
| 20:48.33 | bracken | sorry, I just had kubuntu before this. I have whatever the latest debian release is. sorry I can't remember it |
| 20:48.35 | eigenlambda | bracken: try #ubuntu |
| 20:48.41 | unixrox | can someone help me with installing themes under gnome metacity? |
| 20:48.45 | FallOnMe | glen___: also has an "atop" user-space counterpart. So, both kernel patch and a top-like program. |
| 20:48.49 | pure2 | bracken ubuntu is not debian :) |
| 20:49.00 | cheal | eigenlambda: hum...sorry. strange |
| 20:49.15 | unixrox | i have been googling for hours trying to just find the config files/gconf entries b/c the frontend doesnt seem to be working |
| 20:49.16 | bracken | I have the latest debian release, I was just confused on the name. ;) |
| 20:49.17 | eigenlambda | theres a firefox package and a mozilla-firefox package in sid. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation... |
| 20:49.30 | FallOnMe | glen___: Available in Debian too. |
| 20:49.36 | pure2 | !ubuntusmite bracken |
| 20:49.40 | sorush20 | guys what back up software to dvd's can I use? |
| 20:49.54 | eigenlambda | bracken: you mean sarge? |
| 20:50.06 | bracken | yeah, sorry I didn't know the name. |
| 20:50.20 | eigenlambda | carbon monoxide is not -based on- carbon dioxide... |
| 20:50.21 | pure2 | bracken cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:50.25 | feb | this is strange, cant get debian to recognize my imps2 mouse on /dev/psaux while an knoppix has no problem. any idea what could be wrong in the debian config ? |
| 20:50.26 | FallOnMe | glen___: However I had to clean up the patch for it to apply to 2.6.13/14, if you want to try it's at http://list.iskon.hr/~jelly/atopcnt/ |
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| 20:50.55 | bracken | 3.1 |
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| 20:51.14 | cheal | feb: which kernel? |
| 20:51.18 | pure2 | sarge :) |
| 20:51.22 | feb | linux 2.6 |
| 20:51.39 | bracken | so my res. is stuck at 640 x 480. |
| 20:51.43 | cheal | feb: hum, did you try /dev/input/mice ? |
| 20:51.52 | bracken | I don't know what I need to change to fix that. |
| 20:52.07 | feb | and knoppix 2.4 |
| 20:52.22 | bracken | I'm have a dell 3000, so no special graphics card, just the onbourd one. |
| 20:52.25 | bucky | wow... CO is really bad stuff |
| 20:52.29 | feb | cheal: yes, that was my first choice |
| 20:52.30 | kingsley | sorush20: mondoarchive. |
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| 20:53.27 | bucky | bracken: since you can't figure out which version of debian you are running we don't know if you're using Xfree or xorg |
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| 20:53.32 | cheal | feb: ok, and that doesn't work? what happens? |
| 20:53.36 | Haukkari | Has anyone here used Debian on Dell PowerEdge servers? |
| 20:53.39 | bracken | i'm using sarge |
| 20:53.45 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: yes. |
| 20:53.51 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: which poweredge? |
| 20:53.52 | feb | cheal: X reports that there's no device |
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| 20:54.04 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: 1800 I think. |
| 20:54.07 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: \o/ |
| 20:54.08 | azhoral_ | i need help |
| 20:54.09 | feb | cheal: with gpm it fails too |
| 20:54.10 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: we are getting one of those |
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| 20:54.14 | bucky | bracken: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set the default resolution |
| 20:54.15 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: for our school... SCSI or SATA drives? |
| 20:54.21 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: SCSI. |
| 20:54.29 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: on the integrated controller? |
| 20:54.34 | kingsley | azhoral_: What's up? |
| 20:54.36 | sorush20 | kingsley: is it the same as the mondo that I have in the ubuntu repository? |
| 20:54.41 | azhoral_ | how can i set font dimension from 60x60dot to 100x100? |
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| 20:54.45 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: yup, megaraid. |
| 20:54.52 | cheal | feb: sorry, I don't know |
| 20:54.56 | cy_ | hello ? |
| 20:55.13 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: megaraid? |
| 20:55.15 | bracken | Bucky, sorry, is that the exact comand to type? |
| 20:55.28 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: we were thinking of using Linux software raid on the two 146GB SCSI disks... |
| 20:55.31 | bucky | bracken: why.. didn't it work? |
| 20:55.34 | omniboggle | hmm does unstable get kde3.4? |
| 20:55.40 | bracken | I wasn't root, just a sec. ;) |
| 20:55.44 | takatumi | feb: try /msg badgers 2.6 mouse |
| 20:55.45 | feb | let's try with an usb mouse |
| 20:55.45 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: as the Dell's RAID-5 card will most likely not work on Debian, at least without some serious stabbing. |
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| 20:55.52 | quitte | azhoral_: wow. that are huge fonts. like 10x7 characters on my 1024x768 display |
| 20:55.57 | cy_ | HELLO ?! |
| 20:56.06 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: Dell's card just works in Debian. |
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| 20:56.15 | feb | takatumi: thanks |
| 20:56.16 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: uh.. but it's half-software |
| 20:56.22 | cheal | eigenlambda: it's strange, but check the changelog |
| 20:56.23 | sorush20 | kingsley: having used the program will I just have to change media from the drives or will I have to direct direct the burn process? |
| 20:56.27 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: "CERC" == Cost effective raid controller |
| 20:56.45 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: sorry, let me check out what I actually have in that machine. |
| 20:56.47 | azhoral_ | i have 1280x960 ... |
| 20:56.49 | bracken | Bucky, it wants the bus identifier. How do I find that? |
| 20:56.54 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: ok, thanks. :) |
| 20:56.56 | azhoral_ | fonts size 60x60 dot |
| 20:57.00 | sorush20 | any one here know of a program that is able to recover data from ext3 partitions .. |
| 20:57.01 | jcurry | i am using nvidia's driver, and i am trying to get dri working...glxinfo tells me it is not disabled, and i get this line in my xorg log: "Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"...what is wrong? |
| 20:57.01 | kingsley | sorush20: I don't know for sure if it's the same, but I expect that it is, and it seems to me that it should be easy enough to find out. It should be described in the ubuntu reposity as backup or disaster recovery software. |
| 20:57.03 | quitte | azhoral_: wow. 12x9 characters then |
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| 20:57.18 | quitte | azhoral_: you mean dpi |
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| 20:57.23 | bucky | bracken: you don't need it if you have only one video card.. just leave it empty and press enter |
| 20:57.27 | kingsley | sorush20: I don't understand your question. Can you elaborate? |
| 20:57.32 | bracken | okay, thanks. |
| 20:57.32 | azhoral_ | i need to set 100x100 |
| 20:57.39 | quitte | azhoral_: no you dont |
| 20:57.43 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: ho-ho-ho. Our machines are equipped with a Fusion-MPT SCSI RAID. |
| 20:57.50 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: nice... =) |
| 20:57.51 | bracken | How about the memory usage? |
| 20:57.57 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: but the integrated controller DOES work in Linux? |
| 20:58.07 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: 'cos I'm gonna shoot myself if it doesn't. =) |
| 20:58.19 | cheal | jcurry: if it's not disabled, it means it should be working |
| 20:58.24 | azhoral_ | mmm |
| 20:58.27 | eigenlambda | oh ok |
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| 20:58.34 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: I think there are drivers for that, but you will probably be better of with soft-raid. |
| 20:58.39 | xored | tarzeau: oh iam unbanned :) |
| 20:58.42 | jcurry | cheal, sorry, typo, it is not*enabled* |
| 20:58.43 | eigenlambda | that makes sense |
| 20:58.43 | bucky | bracken: i like filling that in... get out your calculator and multiply the amount of mb of video ram you have by 1024 and put the number in there |
| 20:58.44 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: yeah |
| 20:58.54 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: but I mean... that Linux will work on that integrated SCSI controller |
| 20:58.56 | eigenlambda | thanks |
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| 20:58.59 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: but I can't confirm since it apparently is NOT used here. |
| 20:59.08 | bracken | okay |
| 20:59.08 | azhoral_ | my desktop's fonts is too small... 12 |
| 20:59.09 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: we'll use soft RAID but we need to plug those SCSI drives SOMEWHERE. :) |
| 20:59.26 | azhoral_ | but i don't want to reduce every software |
| 20:59.26 | kingsley | sorush20: The package is named "mondo" in debian. |
| 20:59.43 | bracken | I have a dell flat screen, should use the lcd device setting? (sorry if this is a really dumb question) |
| 20:59.50 | tarzeau | xored: why were you banned? why do you tell me? |
| 20:59.54 | cheal | jcurry: is the dri X module enabled? |
| 21:00.03 | tarzeau | azhoral_: what desktop? |
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| 21:00.19 | bucky | bracken: yes use the the lcd |
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| 21:01.06 | quitte | azhoral_: read the manpage for xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 and look for DisplaySize |
| 21:01.24 | cheal | ohad: what does $ apt-cache policy libgnome2-0; output? |
| 21:01.27 | jcurry | cheal, yep |
| 21:01.33 | cheal | jcurry: disable it |
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| 21:02.16 | bracken | Bucky, okay, i've gone through the setup, do I need to restart the xserver? |
| 21:02.17 | Estes | Hi everyone, need an hand, i try to set up a masquerade. the computer sharing the connection is a debian as well as the "client" on the client, the default gw is the one hat shares and on the one sharing i allowed forwarding and set a masquerade rule... any idea ? |
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| 21:02.25 | ellobo | hi |
| 21:02.39 | bucky | bracken: yes but did you see where to set the default resolution? |
| 21:02.40 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: I've checked the dmesg output, and this machine has disks connected to the MegaRAID, and it seems to boot from it. |
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| 21:02.49 | jcurry | cheal, ok...but why? |
| 21:02.55 | ohad | cheal, i have removed all my sources.list and updated it. now i am doing an entire apt-get upgrade after i've updated |
| 21:02.59 | Estes | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE i have set something like this and same with eth1 but nothing wks... |
| 21:03.02 | ohad | cheal, 46 minutes to go |
| 21:03.11 | bracken | I didn't see it for default, but it said to select the ones I want to use. Is the default the highest? |
| 21:03.12 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: ok... and umm.. MegaRAID would be? A PCI-X card or the integrated? |
| 21:03.16 | ohad | cheal, :) hopefully that will fix the problem |
| 21:03.36 | cheal | jcurry: check Andrew Schulman's Debian-nVidia HOWTO |
| 21:03.39 | bucky | bracken: sounds like you did ok.. restart it /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 21:03.39 | ellobo | is there any way to make apt open several connections when downloading from mirrors, like getright in windows ? |
| 21:03.45 | jcurry | cheal, ok, thanks! |
| 21:03.46 | tarzeau | ellobo: no |
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| 21:03.47 | bucky | bracken: if you're using xdm |
| 21:04.00 | jhaig | Hmmm, dpkg is not responding to me. Is it working OK? |
| 21:04.03 | tarzeau | ellobo: get faster internet, or make a local mirror if you need it faster |
| 21:04.09 | cheal | jhaig: it's dead |
| 21:04.13 | bucky | bracken: either that or gdm or kdm |
| 21:04.16 | ellobo | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:04.16 | jhaig | cheal: Thanks. |
| 21:04.23 | cheal | ohad: ah, I thought you said you upgraded the machine regularly |
| 21:04.32 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: I think it's integrated. This is all of the disk controllers from lspci: |
| 21:04.34 | FallOnMe | 0000:02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 08) |
| 21:04.34 | FallOnMe | 0000:02:05.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID (rev 01) |
| 21:04.40 | jhaig | Is there an irc channel here for backports? |
| 21:04.46 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: yeah, I think that's it |
| 21:04.48 | ohad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.50 | bracken | bucky, can i do that from my console now? or should I exit X first? |
| 21:04.53 | snuff- | &qyut |
| 21:04.57 | snuff- | ops |
| 21:04.59 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: thanks! You've been very helpful. :) |
| 21:05.00 | cheal | jhaig: no |
| 21:05.21 | cheal | ohad: what did you change? something was wrong? |
| 21:05.34 | bucky | bracken: it's better to ctl alt F1 into a console first |
| 21:05.35 | glen___ | FallOnMe: don't happen to have patch to 2.6.13.4? i'm using vserver kernel on exactly that version and various other patches, so trying different version would be more difficult |
| 21:05.39 | ohad | cheal, the sources.list prob |
| 21:05.40 | bracken | okay. |
| 21:05.46 | bracken | Thanks alot for your help. |
| 21:06.25 | cheal | ohad: what was the problem? |
| 21:06.31 | jhaig | I'll ask here then. Is www.backports.org officially recognised by debian, and is it a reliable source for backports? I'm thinking of trying OO.org 2 from there. |
| 21:06.38 | FallOnMe | glen___: one of 2.6.13* patches from http://list.iskon.hr/~jelly/atopcnt/ should apply, but I'm not sure which. The other on is broken. |
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| 21:07.01 | cheal | jhaig: no, the only official backports source is volatile |
| 21:07.05 | glen___ | fails on net/socket.c.rej |
| 21:07.05 | FallOnMe | glen___: I've tried it on 2.6.13.something and 2.6.14.2. |
| 21:07.30 | glen___ | 13.2 applied to slightly newer kernel, but i don't have vserver ready there :( |
| 21:08.06 | FallOnMe | glen___: eh. take a look at .rej and try to apply by hand. |
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| 21:08.22 | misieq | hi there! |
| 21:08.33 | jhaig | cheal: And volatile is only for certain packages that need to be up to date, isn't it? Like virus scanners. Is www.backports.org (or any other source) recommeded? |
| 21:08.36 | cy_ | hello |
| 21:08.46 | misieq | i've just compiled kde 3.5 using konstruct and it's in ~/kde3.5 |
| 21:08.47 | cy_ | why does dpkg not reply on a simple help ? |
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| 21:08.57 | glen___ | FallOnMe: ok. i'll try :) |
| 21:09.01 | jhaig | cy_: It's dead, apparently. |
| 21:09.10 | misieq | how do i make gdm run 3.5 instead of default 3.3.? |
| 21:09.10 | cy_ | damn ! |
| 21:09.12 | ragner | cy_: down it seems |
| 21:09.25 | cy_ | okay okay. thanks. |
| 21:09.25 | abrotman | cy_: use badgers |
| 21:09.30 | abrotman | badgers: hi |
| 21:09.30 | badgers | what's up, abrotman |
| 21:09.34 | cy_ | aight |
| 21:09.35 | cheal | jhaig: yes |
| 21:09.41 | jhaig | cy_: Ask your question here and (maybe) you will not get flamed (quite so much) this time. ;-) |
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| 21:10.08 | mjk64 | abrotman: What happened to dpkg, anyway? |
| 21:10.19 | charzero | (djbdns) if `dnsipq somename` works because of my /etc/dnsrewrite, should a cache on that machine work for identical requests from clients? |
| 21:10.22 | abrotman | mjk64: on vacation .. Fiji i think |
| 21:10.30 | FallOnMe | badgers, what is blaireau |
| 21:10.31 | mjk64 | abrotman: Ah. =) |
| 21:10.31 | badgers | FallOnMe: what are you talking about? |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | mjk64: he sometimes goes kaput |
| 21:10.36 | mjk64 | abrotman: Oh ... |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | !blaireau |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | @blaireau |
| 21:10.53 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:10.53 | Estes | Anyone to help troubleshoot a masquerade problem ? |
| 21:10.57 | ellobo | a bug was reported about wavemon not working in sid with kernels 2.6.12+, anyone knows how to solve this ? Is there any other command line application to monitor wireless connections ? |
| 21:10.58 | cy_ | i have a broken dependency in debian unstable and i dont know if it is already known.. or how i could find out about its status .. its about the package "libarts1c2" which got replaced by "libarts1c2a" but the packages depending on that dont know the new name.. i suppose... |
| 21:11.29 | FallOnMe | badgers, what is the matrix |
| 21:11.30 | badgers | FallOnMe: what are you talking about? |
| 21:11.31 | cheal | cy_: if you don't know about that, you're running the wrong release |
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| 21:11.54 | cy_ | i know it got broken dependencys sometimes.. i do know that. |
| 21:12.06 | cy_ | but there has to be someone who cares about it ? a bit ? ..... |
| 21:12.08 | cy_ | no ? 0o |
| 21:12.26 | jhaig | cy_: I think you will need to upgrade the packages that depend on libart1c2. That is the reason I slipped back to Sarge - trying to keep up was more trouble than it was worth (for me). |
| 21:12.45 | mjk64 | I cannot get the Matrox framebuffer console to work. Who has a working Matrox framebuffer console and can tell me how to do it? "video=matroxfb:vesa:<mode>" doesn't work. |
| 21:12.55 | abrotman | cy_: they need recompiled .. that's up to the maintainers .. welcome to the world of C++ :) |
| 21:12.57 | cheal | cy_: yes |
| 21:13.29 | cy_ | heh. |
| 21:13.37 | jhaig | cy_: They do care about it, and you can be sure that when it is released as stable it will not be broken. However, it is just too much work to try to keep absolutely everything in unstable in line all the time. |
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| 21:13.49 | roler | what package in debian is for ghostscript? |
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| 21:13.58 | cy_ | okay okay. i got you mates |
| 21:14.00 | mjk64 | !tell roler -about search |
| 21:14.03 | cy_ | thanks |
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| 21:14.13 | M_Cheevy | morning folks... anyone have any experience with dmraid and sarge? |
| 21:14.21 | blondie | i eat glue |
| 21:14.25 | jhaig | mjk64: You'll have to tell roler yourself. dpkg is dead. ;-) |
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| 21:14.29 | ellobo | !tell me about wavemon |
| 21:14.40 | peterS | roler: there are several ghostscript-related packages, gs-gpl is what you probably want |
| 21:14.41 | mjk64 | jhaig: But badgers told him (he/she/it claimed) |
| 21:14.43 | roler | i got a response from badgers |
| 21:14.45 | roler | however |
| 21:14.57 | roler | i know about these commands, all of them. i don't know what the package name is. |
| 21:14.59 | kingsley | caphuso: Are you available? |
| 21:15.15 | jhaig | Ah, thanks for the tip. I didn't know about badger. |
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| 21:15.27 | roler | i'm looking for ps2pdf specificall |
| 21:15.30 | bracken | Bucky: Sorry to ask you againm, but that didn't seem to work for me. |
| 21:15.39 | misieq | i've just compiled kde 3.5 using konstruct and it's in ~/kde3.5. how do i make gdm run 3.5 instead of default 3.3.2? |
| 21:15.55 | peterS | roler: gs-common (pulled in by gs-gpl) includes the ps2pdf scripts |
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| 21:16.19 | roler | woohoo! |
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| 21:16.29 | FallOnMe | !win peterS |
| 21:16.29 | tarzeau | takatumi, abrotman bubbling? |
| 21:16.30 | badgers | Congratulations, peterS! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:16.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm at work! :) |
| 21:16.40 | peterS | roler: you can find this, btw, using the search interface at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/. I happened to already have it installed so 'dpkg -S ps2pdf' was how I verified my answer |
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| 21:16.55 | M_Cheevy | what kind of prize is that??? especially after that moron has been there for 6 yrs |
| 21:16.55 | takatumi | tarzeau: why not? |
| 21:17.00 | roler | petemc, ; ok I will bookmark that |
| 21:17.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: #bub-n-bros just let me get some cheese and bread first, i'm dead hungry |
| 21:17.25 | peterS | M_Cheevy: I'm greatly honored |
| 21:17.26 | roler | thank you much! |
| 21:17.55 | M_Cheevy | peter: democracy is the only form of government where people get the leaders they deserve ;) |
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| 21:17.57 | ellobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.04 | peterS | !find bin/ps2pdf |
| 21:18.05 | cheal | M_Cheevy: please don't insult democracy |
| 21:18.05 | bucky | bracken: don't overdrive your monitor with too high a resolution and make sure you have the right driver for your video card |
| 21:18.16 | peterS | let's see if badgers has a debian search interface |
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| 21:18.45 | M_Cheevy | cheal: didn't insult democracy at all! rather stated the obvious, if the voters end up with an idiot for a leader then its there own fault |
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| 21:18.52 | ryan` | is there any way to alias function keys for a console so they type out a string? |
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| 21:19.14 | badgers | Debian Search of 'bin/ps2pdf' (1): (/usr/bin/{ps2pdf|ps2pdf12|ps2pdf13|...}) in text/gs-common. |
| 21:19.25 | cheal | M_Cheevy: hehe, I was going to say that before you mentionned democracy |
| 21:19.29 | peterS | badgers, you rock |
| 21:19.30 | badgers | peterS: aw, gee |
| 21:19.35 | bracken | Bucky I didn't. I chose the same Res. I normally use. |
| 21:19.51 | bucky | bracken: make sure you have the right driver for your video card |
| 21:20.16 | M_Cheevy | peterS: welp after reagan you'd have thought they'd have learn that trickle down economics is just a give-away to the rich |
| 21:20.16 | peterS | roler: so note the '!find bin/ps2pdf' command I just gave Badgers the Bot. that's another frontend to package searching |
| 21:20.33 | peterS | M_Cheevy: yeah, the rich get richer, the poor get richer. sucks, doesn't it? |
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| 21:21.05 | M_Cheevy | peterS: the poor get richer???? why do you think the rich got rich... they don't spend so the poor don't get any |
| 21:21.31 | peterS | M_Cheevy: so you're a believer in zero-sum economics? there is a set total of wealth that can't be increased? |
| 21:21.43 | FallOnMe | M_Cheevy: production rules. |
| 21:21.58 | M_Cheevy | peterS: nope, I just believe in human nature... the greedy stay greedy |
| 21:22.08 | peterS | yes, and that's a non sequitur |
| 21:22.15 | Elrond` | is there any .deb build of kde 3.5 available yet? |
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| 21:22.25 | cheal | Elrond`: yes |
| 21:22.27 | peterS | that the greedy stay greedy does not imply that the poor cannot get richer |
| 21:22.31 | peterS | they are, after all, greedy too |
| 21:22.35 | M_Cheevy | peterS: nope, it's keeping to the original scope of my statement |
| 21:22.41 | cheal | peterS: someone suggested updating /topic WRT KDE |
| 21:22.53 | dumezil-school | anyone know what the columns in /proc/diskstats are? |
| 21:22.56 | FallOnMe | M_Cheevy: it's wrong to assume that all the rich got rich by not producing any additional value. |
| 21:23.03 | Elrond` | cheal, do you know where to get it? |
| 21:23.05 | tarzeau | dumezil-school: the source code knows |
| 21:23.12 | cheal | Elrond`: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:23.21 | Elrond` | thanks |
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| 21:23.24 | M_Cheevy | FallOnMe: of course we're talking in generalities here... |
| 21:23.27 | NuK | hello ppl |
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| 21:23.41 | FallOnMe | M_Cheevy: then you're ovegeneralizing. ;-) |
| 21:23.43 | peterS | FallOnMe: it's a common assumption, though - that above a certain income level, you don't produce value equal to the compensation you receive |
| 21:24.06 | M_Cheevy | christ, look at CEO salaries and tell me they add that much value to any company |
| 21:24.09 | dumezil-school | tarzeau: i don't even know what source code would talk about /proc/diskstats... |
| 21:24.27 | NuK | i've downloaded a .deb package and I cant install, I tried sudo apt-get install packagename and it tells me the package couldnt be found |
| 21:24.27 | mz_work | Elrond`: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5-rc1 ./ |
| 21:24.32 | peterS | M_Cheevy: companies make and lose millions of dollars on the decisions the CEOs make. you can't tell me a good one isn't worth a million dollars more than a bad one |
| 21:25.01 | paulswm | M_Cheevy: I don't agree with much of his policy, but on what factual basis do you describe GWB as a moron? |
| 21:25.03 | tarzeau | dumezil-school: what says uname -a ? |
| 21:25.10 | tarzeau | dumezil-school: the linux kernel source code, silly |
| 21:25.22 | jcurry | cheal, the howto says to uncheck dri, but kepp glx...now i'm confused! |
| 21:25.27 | NuK | can anybody help me? |
| 21:25.31 | Slammer | hey all I just started with debian and I have a small problem that is that I dont have a /dev/dsp but only /dev/dspW so no sound :( |
| 21:25.32 | FallOnMe | peterS: Yup, and I don't think that just anybody from the street can invest $ 1G to education in Africa. However, if you happen to have a succesful company with $50G in bank, you can afford to do just that. |
| 21:25.40 | M_Cheevy | The disparity between worker and management salaries is relatively new and definately hard to justify.. basically it's just boomers still not learning to share |
| 21:25.40 | mtnman | dumezil: there is always man proc which as a section in diskstats which says there is a kernel source file calld Documentation/iostats.txt. |
| 21:25.46 | tarzeau | NuK: try dpkg -i |
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| 21:25.56 | Slammer | only a ln -s /dev/dspW /dev/dsp gives me sound but the link is gone after a reboot |
| 21:25.56 | cheal | jcurry: it's what it says...you don't need the dri module for direct rendering |
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| 21:26.08 | Gnea | Slammer: udev? |
| 21:26.08 | mtnman | s/as\ a/has\ a/ |
| 21:26.20 | Slammer | yes udev |
| 21:26.26 | NuK | tarzeau, its working, thx 8D |
| 21:26.32 | Gnea | Slammer: what program(s) are you using to access it? |
| 21:26.35 | jcurry | cheal, ah, ok...thanks |
| 21:26.47 | M_Cheevy | but I hardly came here to get into a debate... just wanted a little info from anyone who's used dmraid to dual boot sarge and winblows |
| 21:26.51 | bracken | Bucky, sorry about that. my res. isn't set to high. I just tried 800x600, and that didn't work either. |
| 21:26.55 | NuK | tarzeau, so apt only dowload then install? |
| 21:26.59 | dumezil-school | tarzeau: i know it'd be in the linux kernel source code, but i don't know where in that it'd be... 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 21:27.04 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: oh wow, you still haven't figured that out? |
| 21:27.11 | Slammer | you mean in what do I want sound? amaroc and mplayer for instance. I use kmix to set the sound |
| 21:27.20 | mtnman | dumezil: there is always man proc which has a section on diskstats which says there is a kernel source file calld Documentation/iostats.txt. |
| 21:27.23 | bucky | bracken: what are you installing this on? |
| 21:27.24 | Slammer | I have alsa installed |
| 21:27.25 | tarzeau | NuK: apt milk super cow powers moo |
| 21:27.25 | peterS | M_Cheevy: I find it *really* hard to criticise the salary of someone who can do a job I would never be able to do. there's a reason I'm not a CEO or even on track to become one, and I bet you aren't either |
| 21:27.35 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: seems I'm not the only one... everything has to be done in busybox for the userspace device mapper to setup the nodes... |
| 21:27.45 | bracken | It's a Dell 3000, so it has an onboard intel graphics card. |
| 21:27.46 | NuK | tarzeau, huh? |
| 21:27.51 | ircdevil | does debian still support max os x ? |
| 21:27.51 | tarzeau | dumezil-school: grep ? |
| 21:27.58 | tarzeau | NuK: moo moo. MOO! |
| 21:28.00 | peterS | ircdevil: what is max os x? |
| 21:28.05 | Slammer | I am kinda new so perhaps I misunderstood the question |
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| 21:28.10 | ircdevil | err mac os x |
| 21:28.10 | M_Cheevy | peterS: I've been running my own company for 10 yrs... making enough to meet my needs and get some savings |
| 21:28.22 | FallOnMe | !moo |
| 21:28.22 | badgers | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:28.28 | Gnea | Slammer: ok, then you need to tell mplayer and amaroc to specifically point to /dev/dsp1 somehow - with mplayer just edit ~/.mplayer/config are you using alsa or oss? |
| 21:28.32 | peterS | M_Cheevy: my mistake, then. most people who wank about CEO salaries aren't even remotely in that field |
| 21:28.39 | bucky | bracken: a dell laptop? |
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| 21:28.51 | Slammer | alsa |
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| 21:29.00 | bracken | Bucky: no, sorry. dimension 3000. |
| 21:29.02 | NuK | tarzeau, OMG |
| 21:29.06 | M_Cheevy | peterS: like I said, it has to do with greed. I make a damn good living my charging what my product is worth not how much I can gouge for it |
| 21:29.17 | Gnea | then /dev/dsp* is just an OSS compatibility layer - amaroc might need that, but mplayer won't care - do you have xmms installed? |
| 21:29.20 | NuK | apt-get moo owned! |
| 21:29.34 | mtnman | m_cheevy: your product is worth whatever people will pay for it. |
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| 21:29.43 | Slammer | yes I do but I like the features amaroc has |
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| 21:30.03 | M_Cheevy | mtn: people have offered me more than it's worth... it's worth what I put into it, not what some moron is willing to pay |
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| 21:30.13 | bucky | bracken: this seems to sort it out http://bgoglin.free.fr/dimension3000.php |
| 21:30.17 | peterS | Guerin: you're here! just in time for this week's edition of Capitalist vs. Capitalist |
| 21:30.19 | Slammer | but also without the symlink to /dev/dsp I cannot use a mixer |
| 21:30.32 | kjhb | hello, need i help plz, when i try to install debian, the cd sarge cant detect my hd, help plz |
| 21:30.53 | tarzeau | kjhb: sata? |
| 21:30.55 | mtnman | m_cheevy: it may have different value to different people. perhaps some people value your time (=product) more than you do. |
| 21:30.59 | bracken | bucky: okay, thanks alot. I searched too, but i didn't add dimension 3000. Thanks for your help again |
| 21:31.05 | kingsley | kjhb: Do you see an error message? |
| 21:31.11 | kjhb | tarzeau yes |
| 21:31.14 | M_Cheevy | mtn: some idiot down here paid $5000 for the last cigarette smoked in an NZ pub.. is the butt worth $5000??? |
| 21:31.17 | FallOnMe | M_Cheevy: If it's worth that much to them, why not let them pay? The customer is always right. ;-) |
| 21:31.20 | Gnea | Slammer: i'm not saying use xmms instead, i'm saying use xmms as a base to setup your alsa devices - open up xmms, right click to options->preferences then at output plugin make sure ALSA is set then 'configure' it and see what selections are available under 'Audio device:' |
| 21:31.22 | tarzeau | kjhb: you want to make your own kernel for d-i |
| 21:31.29 | bucky | bracken: you should upgrade to etch (testing) |
| 21:31.32 | paulswm | M_Cheevy: You use the word "moron" a lot, sounds like a self-worth issue to me |
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| 21:31.44 | mtnman | m_cheevy: it was to him. i don't like tobacco, so it was overpriced according to my demand. |
| 21:31.45 | tarzeau | kjhb: check make-kpkg and mount -o loop, it's really easy |
| 21:31.46 | kjhb | kingsley the error mesage is, cant found a disk partitionable |
| 21:31.49 | Slammer | k I will do that now |
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| 21:31.55 | M_Cheevy | FallOnMe: cause I have to sleep at night... I don't feel right if I take advantage of someone's lack of knowledge of the value of labour |
| 21:31.59 | kjhb | tarzeau how can i do it? |
| 21:32.06 | Gnea | Slammer: you're looking for something along the lines of hw:0,0 and so on |
| 21:32.08 | kingsley | kjhb: Is that the exact syntax? |
| 21:32.19 | disposable | is it possible to upgrade kernel without rebooting? i think i read about is somewhere but can't find it now. |
| 21:32.20 | mtnman | m_cheevy: the point is that one demand curve does not describe every consumer. |
| 21:32.29 | bracken | Is there a good way to do that? (as you can tell, i'm not a super skilled linux user) Should I just download the iso like I normally do? |
| 21:32.38 | Gnea | disposable: you must reboot in order to utilize the new kernel. |
| 21:32.47 | peterS | mtnman: in other words, some consumers are more demanding, and more curvaceous, than others? |
| 21:32.59 | tarzeau | kjhb: replace the debian kernel with one that supports SATA |
| 21:33.01 | kjhb | i dont have any debian isntaled yet, i dont have a hda disk, only sda and sdb, i m traying to isntall it now, how can i do this command? |
| 21:33.04 | espeto | vao se fokeu |
| 21:33.06 | M_Cheevy | mtnman: so if I can find an idiot willing to buy a bridge I should sell it to him? |
| 21:33.08 | mtnman | peters: i hope that was meant to be funny... |
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| 21:33.23 | Gnea | kjhb: what command where? |
| 21:33.32 | peterS | quite |
| 21:33.33 | espeto | vcs sao do brasil |
| 21:33.33 | mtnman | m_cheevy: if you own the bridge, it is in your interest to get what you can for it. |
| 21:33.42 | kjhb | tarzeau, how can i replace it? plz |
| 21:33.44 | peterS | !portuguese |
| 21:33.44 | badgers | from memory, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:33.46 | mtnman | m_cheevy: if you don't own the bridge, selling it is criminal. |
| 21:33.52 | tarzeau | kjhb: did you build the kernel yet? |
| 21:34.00 | tarzeau | kjhb: cd /usr/src, get the 2.4.32 kernel |
| 21:34.05 | tarzeau | kjhb: make menuconfig |
| 21:34.12 | kjhb | nop, i m having only the sarge cd |
| 21:34.12 | FallOnMe | M_Cheevy: that's another thing. But the price for the same product does not have to stay fixed, rather it depends on the customer and other things. |
| 21:34.17 | M_Cheevy | mtn: what the market will bear versus a fair price is more a matter of ethics than of economics and I guess thats where our opinions differ |
| 21:34.25 | tarzeau | kjhb: you need a computer with sarge first... |
| 21:34.30 | Gnea | kjhb: at boot: type linux26 and hit enter |
| 21:34.43 | M_Cheevy | I put ethics before economics |
| 21:34.45 | mtnman | m_cheevy: "fair price" is subjective. that is the point i'm trying to hammer into you. |
| 21:34.46 | kjhb | and? |
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| 21:35.00 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: good idea |
| 21:35.03 | M_Cheevy | mtn: like I said, I put ethics before economics |
| 21:35.07 | kingsley | kjhb: If I were trying to fix it, I'd google for the precise error message. |
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| 21:35.18 | M_Cheevy | mtn: unlike most baby-boomers I did not sell out |
| 21:35.19 | mtnman | m_cheevy: ethics is also subjective. |
| 21:35.31 | M_Cheevy | mtn: of course it is. |
| 21:35.37 | mtnman | m_cheevy: "sell out" is a highly subjective term. |
| 21:35.39 | michigan | I can't get Firefox 1.5 to work. When I try to start it, I get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:35.44 | NuK | oh great, installed cedega but cant play because i dont have an acount |
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| 21:35.57 | Gnea | mtnman: you can't hammer one set of ethics into another region and assume that it will 'just work' |
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| 21:36.07 | M_Cheevy | mtn: no it's not... sell out = compromising own's espoused personal principals for money |
| 21:36.11 | cheal | michigan: how did you install it? |
| 21:36.12 | mtnman | gnea: that is the point |
| 21:36.18 | FallOnMe | mtnman: that's a subjective opinion of ethics you have. I think there's a referential point for ethics. |
| 21:36.21 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: case in point, Iraq |
| 21:36.35 | kingsley | michigan: Have you searched google's web and usenet indices? |
| 21:36.38 | Gnea | mtnman: what is the point? that it will or won't work? |
| 21:36.52 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: yeah that's a good one |
| 21:36.54 | michigan | cheal: I extracted the tarball, as per the instructions included with the release notes. kingsley, no. |
| 21:36.58 | mtnman | gnea: what it the thing you are talking about working or not working? |
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| 21:37.03 | kjhb | tarzeau without a computer with debian isntaled i cant install it? |
| 21:37.04 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: so many missed opportunities |
| 21:37.08 | M_Cheevy | gnea: just another fine example of american cultural imperialism |
| 21:37.10 | michigan | kingsley, I did ask #firefox on mozilla servers and they ignored me ;( |
| 21:37.11 | espeto | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.18 | tarzeau | kjhb: no idea, tried 2.6 yet? |
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| 21:37.31 | lilliput | hello al |
| 21:37.33 | cheal | michigan: ok, then it's nothing new |
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| 21:37.37 | peterS | what?!? iraq isn't about cultural imperialism, it's about military imperialism |
| 21:37.39 | bucky | M_Cheevy: Nuke a Gay Whale for Jesus! |
| 21:37.42 | M_Cheevy | michigan: irc can get a little clique |
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| 21:37.45 | mtnman | m_cheevy: your personal principles are your own, therefore subjective. selling out, being a function of your ethics, is therefore also subjective. i'm willing and ready to drop it. are you? |
| 21:37.45 | Gnea | mtnman: well you said ethics are subjective - in what M_Cheevy said, you are essentially saying that economics means more than ethics does |
| 21:37.47 | kingsley | michigan: I highly recommend googling the web and usenet for the exact error message. |
| 21:38.05 | M_Cheevy | peterS: it's also a cultural thing... trying to shove western cultural values on a non-western culture |
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| 21:38.10 | kjhb | tarzeau yet, but no result |
| 21:38.12 | Gnea | mtnman: unless i mis-interpretted |
| 21:38.19 | sorush20 | guys why is it that in k3b you have to erase a CDRW but you have to format a DVDRW? |
| 21:38.20 | mtnman | gnea: the principles of economics are not subjective in the way that ethics are. |
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| 21:38.27 | michigan | kingsley, actually I remember googling it once now. I found a post on LinuxQuestions.org with the same error and Firefox 0.9, but it didn't offer a solution. I didn't see anything else relevant |
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| 21:38.34 | M_Cheevy | mtn: I dropped it about 5 mins ago |
| 21:38.36 | mtnman | gnea: yes, you misinterpereted. |
| 21:38.36 | kingsley | michigan: There are only 771 people here, but google gives you access to millions (billions?) of ideas. |
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| 21:38.41 | kjhb | tarzeau i m having knoppix now instaled |
| 21:38.42 | bassMonkey | hi, I asked here earlier today about a dropped mysql |
| 21:38.46 | tarzeau | kjhb: you want to build your own kernel ... dunno if someone else has done it |
| 21:38.52 | bassMonkey | damn |
| 21:38.58 | tarzeau | kjhb: we do at work... i could put something online, can you netboot? |
| 21:39.18 | FallOnMe | Is there a way in Linux to find out which process is blocked on I/O? |
| 21:39.25 | Slammer | Gnea, it says "SBLive 5.1 [SB0060] adc capture/standard pce playback hw:0,0" "SBlive5.1 [sb0060] Multichannel capture/pt playback hw:0,2" and sblive5.1 [sb0060] multichannel playback hw:0,3' |
| 21:39.26 | kjhb | tarzeau sorry , what? |
| 21:39.34 | peterS | M_Cheevy: in that sense, the Muslim world is about as full of cultural imperialism as you can get. they lack the strength to expand militarily but by and large they would if they could. I don't feel too sorry for them in *that* sense, then |
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| 21:40.07 | tarzeau | kjhb: can your computer boot from the network? |
| 21:40.09 | lilliput | got a hardware question .. I got a old hdd (40GB) and did a copy of an 20GB hdd with a debian to this 40GB. I don't have any pb to mount the partition everything is fine. When I tried to boot on it (jumper are fine) the bios doesn't found the mbr and say could not boot __ failure and stuff |
| 21:40.23 | michigan | When will Firefox 1.5 be in Debian? It doesn't even look like it's in experimental right now. |
| 21:40.24 | Gnea | mtnman: but what if someone has an opinion that differs from yours? does that make them automatically wrong? |
| 21:40.26 | M_Cheevy | peterS: True, Islam and Christianity are the only religions I can think of that forced conversion in their history |
| 21:40.26 | bucky | peterS: lets let the "Muslim world" to back to the business of killing each other without our help |
| 21:40.28 | lilliput | I tried install-mbr still doesn't work |
| 21:40.32 | kjhb | u mean, from ur pc? for mi no problem |
| 21:40.43 | cheal | michigan: probably in a few days |
| 21:40.47 | Gnea | Slammer: add this to ~/.mplayer/config: ao=alsa:device=hw=0.0 |
| 21:40.47 | lilliput | is there another way to get a workaround |
| 21:40.48 | lilliput | ? |
| 21:40.53 | peterS | bucky: that'd be an improvement over killing infidels, but I don't know if it'd actually happen |
| 21:40.54 | mtnman | gnea: everyone has an opinion. a fact is a fact. |
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| 21:41.18 | Gnea | mtnman: but what and who defined that fact? |
| 21:41.20 | kingsley | michigan: I just googled the web, and not including usenet, found 646 matches. http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=firefox+%22libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0%3A+cannot+open+shared+object+file%3A+No+such+file+or+directory%22&btnG=Zoeken&meta= |
| 21:41.24 | M_Cheevy | hey, Christians are no better... shooting doctors outside of Family Planning clinics? |
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| 21:41.41 | bucky | M_Cheevy: Nuke a Gay Whale for Jesus! |
| 21:41.48 | mtnman | gnea: facts are such by their nature. can we drop this please? |
| 21:41.54 | M_Cheevy | bucky: damn, take me back to the 80s dude ;) |
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| 21:42.08 | sorush20 | guys why is it that in k3b you have to erase a CDRW but you have to format a DVDRW? |
| 21:42.09 | espeto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.30 | bucky | M_Cheevy: we've gone further back than that in our so called "cultural war" |
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| 21:42.38 | FallOnMe | M_Cheevy: that's not compatible with their doctrine - in essence, shooting doctors is not the Christian way. However, shooting infidels is supported by the book. |
| 21:42.45 | Gnea | mtnman: that's fine, just bear in mind that the second you force something upon someone else you become the target of such backlash. |
| 21:42.57 | abrotman | #politics ? |
| 21:43.02 | M_Cheevy | bucky: was remembering the bumper sticker when I first saw it |
| 21:43.11 | mtnman | gnea: way to drop it. |
| 21:43.11 | bucky | i'm game.. lets go to #politics |
| 21:43.12 | mz_work | sorush20: you only format dvd+rw once |
| 21:43.13 | M_Cheevy | FallOnMe: have you read the Koran? |
| 21:43.19 | michigan | kingsley, thank you. does anybody know where that file is usually located? Maybe I should symbolic link it? |
| 21:43.22 | abrotman | M_Cheevy: FallOnMe: #politics |
| 21:43.22 | Gnea | mtnman: so stop talking to me. |
| 21:43.31 | FallOnMe | abrotman: yup. |
| 21:43.34 | M_Cheevy | cool by me... |
| 21:43.43 | abrotman | now .. i was going to help someone .. but i got lost in all your crap! |
| 21:43.44 | bucky | i'm there |
| 21:43.44 | peterS | except lilo probably would prefer that you go to ##politics |
| 21:43.48 | espeto | sxcscs |
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| 21:43.52 | abrotman | !br |
| 21:43.52 | badgers | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:43.56 | kingsley | FallOnMe: Perhaps man lsof. |
| 21:43.56 | bassMonkey | I'm trying to recover from a dropped 'mysql' mysql database and did a "mysql_install_db", it apparently worked but now mysqladmin can't connect "'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost'". What next? I don't care about the other databases so if I could just scrap mysql and reinstall it - and get it working again it would be great! |
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| 21:44.05 | peterS | since the project admins of world politics probably aren't involved in the freenode channel |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | bassMonkey: use your bakcup! :) |
| 21:44.17 | abrotman | peterS: sorry |
| 21:44.25 | bassMonkey | I don't have one, it was a pretty new install... |
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| 21:44.44 | peterS | abrotman: hey, I'm not particularly in favor of the #foo ##foo split, I'm idly poking fun at the thing. but anyway. |
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| 21:44.47 | bassMonkey | abrotman: (Yesterday) |
| 21:44.50 | kingsley | michigan: You're welcome. Which file are you looking for? |
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| 21:45.35 | abrotman | bassMonkey: your questions are also better suited for #mysql ... |
| 21:45.37 | Slammer | Gnea that seems to work but is there a way can I make it system wide so all things will use it? |
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| 21:45.54 | Martini | Hallo zusammen |
| 21:46.13 | bassMonkey | abrotman: I asked here once earlier, was told to ask in mysql, asked there and was told it was something debian specific and to ask here =/ |
| 21:46.13 | ircdevil | pølsetysker |
| 21:46.34 | abrotman | bassMonkey: oh .. i'm sorry .. i misread |
| 21:46.51 | abrotman | bassMonkey: though .. i still contend it belongs there .. since it's a permissions problem :) |
| 21:46.56 | Martini | spricht hier jemand vielleicht meine sprache und könnte sich meiner annehmen? |
| 21:47.02 | abrotman | bassMonkey: but anyways .. rerunning the postinst script may fix it |
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| 21:47.03 | abrotman | !de |
| 21:47.04 | badgers | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 21:47.16 | Martini | thank you |
| 21:47.22 | bassMonkey | abrotman: ok, and how do I do that? |
| 21:47.32 | Slammer | Martine das ist ein english das debian de is fur dich gut |
| 21:47.35 | abrotman | bassMonkey: there is more than one way .. |
| 21:48.14 | abrotman | bassMonkey: this is only speculation .. i don't run mysql .. so i've never attempted this .. but there sohuld be a /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql<somethingorother>.postinst |
| 21:48.20 | abrotman | wussy! |
| 21:48.23 | Gnea | Slammer: the best way is to make sure that users are in the audio group and that the snd_pcm_oss module is loaded (that creates the /dev/dsp* files) and make sure any applications configuration settings are pointed at the proper /dev/dsp* file |
| 21:48.25 | sorush20 | mz_work: what happens when you format a dvd rw? |
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| 21:48.52 | Slammer | Gnea oke I will work on that thx for your info |
| 21:49.02 | phogg | Slammer: you could try fiddling with libao.conf. A lot of things use that. |
| 21:49.04 | Gnea | no problem |
| 21:49.12 | hans0lo | omg, I had to admin a redhat box today. What a POS. |
| 21:49.27 | abrotman | duh |
| 21:49.32 | Gnea | sucks when that happens |
| 21:50.03 | hans0lo | It's like Microsoft Linux |
| 21:50.07 | phogg | hans0lo: I feel your pain. I have to admin a fedora box at work. |
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| 21:50.36 | hans0lo | I just want to apt-get so badly. |
| 21:50.42 | Gnea | ok time to pay bills |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | Gnea: pay mine! |
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| 21:51.13 | mdalek | yum is fine |
| 21:51.19 | mdalek | on redhat |
| 21:51.19 | bassMonkey | abrotman: found it, but it didn't work... =/ |
| 21:51.21 | michigan | I've created a symbolic link and Firefox still complains that it can't find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 21:51.30 | Slammer | phogg, lol thx phogg that file tells "default_driver=oss" I guess I have to chage that to "default_driver=alsa" |
| 21:51.34 | phogg | hans0lo: I used to think yum was just a reimplementation of apt-get but with RPMs... until I had to use it. Now I question the sanity of RH users |
| 21:51.38 | loca|host | hello |
| 21:51.41 | sussudio | abrotman: blabla statswhore, etc. |
| 21:51.46 | phogg | Slammer: or alsa09, depending on your versions of things |
| 21:51.48 | abrotman | sussudio: slacker! |
| 21:52.09 | sussudio | !sing abrotman |
| 21:52.09 | badgers | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 21:52.13 | abrotman | bassMonkey: as i said before .. i'm not a mysql person .. the only other thing i can think of is to `apt-get --reinstall install <mysqlserver>` |
| 21:52.16 | hans0lo | phogg: ln -s /usr/sbin/yum /usr/sbin/yuck |
| 21:52.18 | sussudio | !botsex dpkg |
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| 21:52.49 | abrotman | !botsex hi |
| 21:52.54 | phogg | Not cool |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | damn apostrophe |
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| 21:52.59 | omniboggle | hmm does unstable get kde3.4? |
| 21:53.02 | loca|host | when doing tail -f /var/log/messages i get an unlimited number of lines like this : "Dec 1 22:35:20 fourat kernel: codec_write 1: semaphore is not ready for register 0x54" and it's adding those lines every second ! this is an old issue on my Sarge 3.1, what's the problem ? |
| 21:53.07 | Slammer | phogg, alsa09 was correct mixer also works now :) thx allot you maked my llinux experiance much happier :) |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | omniboggle: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:53.28 | phogg | Slammer: welcome |
| 21:54.05 | bassMonkey | abrotman: ok, I did that and it worked, thanks! |
| 21:54.25 | abrotman | bassMonkey: yay .. but where's your old database? |
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| 21:55.53 | mjk64 | How are Firefox extensions handled in Debian? I've heard there are packages for these extensions, but I can hardly believe that, and haven't found any extensions via apt-cache. |
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| 21:56.17 | peterS | mjk64: I think they're not handled at all - you do whatever you normally do with vanilla firefox, per-user |
| 21:56.23 | lilliput | hans0lo, you could jave install apt-get for redhat ^^ and it's working fine |
| 21:56.28 | mjk64 | peterS: Thanks! |
| 21:56.33 | bassMonkey | abrotman: what do you mean? It had an option to keep them, but I tought I might aswell start from scratch so i removed them (they weren't that important, just torrentflux & jinzora) |
| 21:56.42 | bassMonkey | abrotman: the |
| 21:56.45 | abrotman | bassMonkey: i thought you dropped a DB you needed |
| 21:56.52 | lilliput | mm where should I ask for my hdd pb ? |
| 21:56.57 | bassMonkey | abrotman: I did, the |
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| 21:57.13 | bassMonkey | goddamn, i keep pressing enter when i try to hit ' |
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| 21:57.19 | lilliput | is there any channel that could help me |
| 21:57.20 | lilliput | ? |
| 21:57.23 | futhin | anyone know how to setup chroot so that i can give shells out with some security? |
| 21:57.25 | abrotman | lilliput: describe it |
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| 21:58.21 | bassMonkey | abrotman: I did, i dropped 'mysql' in phpmyadmin, a database that holds all the acces privileges and such, so I couldn't even log into mysql |
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| 21:58.55 | FarrisG | Two questions: (1) I have about 40 servers that all have /home mounted from the same NFS export. Running "lsof" on the server running NFS does not show files open via nfsd. Is there anyway to centralize this so that I can get a list of all open files on the nfs server, taking into account the 40 servers that have that export mounted? (2) In times of very heavy write/read, is there any tool or daemon or monitor that will allow me to see i |
| 21:59.16 | lilliput | abrotman, got 2hdd: 20GB and one 40GB .. I did a dd from the 20 to the 40 (hda to hdc) remove hda and put hdc as hda .. the bios doesn't find any mbr .. I tried install-mbr in case still same |
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| 21:59.47 | lilliput | from the 20GB I can mount the 40GB partition perfectly |
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| 22:00.26 | mtnman | lilliput: i think the hard-disk upgrade mini howto at tldp will explain how to do what you are attempting. |
| 22:00.55 | mtnman | lilliput: tldp.org, that is. |
| 22:00.57 | lilliput | mtnman I did the dd from a knoppix cd |
| 22:01.08 | mtnman | lilliput: doesn't matter. |
| 22:01.10 | lilliput | so no swap no read |
| 22:01.59 | lilliput | mtnman so why my install-mbr doesn't EVEN want to work then .. if it's not relative to dd |
| 22:02.07 | abrotman | lilliput: what is your bootloader ? |
| 22:02.16 | abrotman | bassMonkey: oh ok |
| 22:02.20 | dpower | does anybody know the command to display all parts of package and where they are put in the filesystem after installing? |
| 22:02.28 | dpower | i believe its a dpkg command? |
| 22:02.30 | lilliput | abrotman, forget about bootloader it doesn't even go to that stage |
| 22:02.42 | lilliput | ie install-mbr doesn't work |
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| 22:02.53 | bassMonkey | abrotman: but it's all good now... |
| 22:03.00 | abrotman | bassMonkey: good .. time for a beer! |
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| 22:03.16 | lilliput | :( |
| 22:03.19 | crostyna | so I'm in depandancy hell |
| 22:03.34 | crostyna | has anyone ever install lyx on debian? |
| 22:03.40 | dpower | hmm anyone? :) |
| 22:03.48 | lilliput | abrotman, otherwise I'm using grub |
| 22:03.49 | Gnea | lilliput: bootloader has EVERYTHING to do with it. |
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| 22:04.17 | jongkyu | I wanna find mod_env for apache. What package should I install? |
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| 22:04.43 | dpower | capitl L :) |
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| 22:05.03 | lilliput | Gnea, yeah but normally install-mbr print a sentence like (install-mbr) and boot on the first partition for win system .. the bios reaction is boot failure |
| 22:05.16 | lilliput | it's before the the bootloader |
| 22:05.22 | lilliput | :( |
| 22:05.28 | Gnea | lilliput: then don't use install-mbr and use the installation method for grub. |
| 22:05.35 | lilliput | Gnea, I did too |
| 22:05.37 | michigan | Does Linux use PATH? |
| 22:05.42 | lilliput | still same |
| 22:05.56 | Gnea | lilliput: both install the first 512 bytes of the boot device, which is the mbr |
| 22:06.10 | madradrone | jongkyu: its part of core |
| 22:06.12 | Gnea | lilliput: the difference is that install-mbr doesn't connect with grub |
| 22:06.28 | madradrone | michael: do U use PATH? |
| 22:06.29 | netsurf3 | how much space will OO.o 2.0 use when installed and is there a utility in debian to resize fat volumes? |
| 22:06.29 | lilliput | I even did a dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc |
| 22:06.30 | crostyna | any way to re-build my debian apt-cache? |
| 22:06.51 | lilliput | Gnea, yeah but what I was sayin is install-mbr is not even execute |
| 22:06.52 | Gnea | lilliput: unless the disks are identical, that's wrong. |
| 22:06.52 | madradrone | does PATH use you? |
| 22:06.58 | mjk64 | crostyna: apt-get update |
| 22:07.00 | abrotman | oh so very wrong :) |
| 22:07.07 | mjk64 | crostyna: Err ... wait ... hmm |
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| 22:07.19 | mjk64 | crostyna: Hm, not sure, sorry. |
| 22:07.35 | Gnea | lilliput: you're talking about copying a system from a 40gig hd to an 80gig hd, no? |
| 22:07.47 | crostyna | mjk64 it's a little messed up because I was screwing with installing some packages with dpkg -i, trying to get lyx installed.... and now when i go to apt-make install ffmpeg... it's crying about my lyx dependancies as well |
| 22:07.49 | lilliput | abrotman, yeah but I can mount my partition and do a chroot |
| 22:08.06 | Gnea | lilliput: the 40gig MBR is going to have geometry information specific to the 40gig hd that is NOT the same as the 80gig hd - that's why it's failing |
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| 22:08.23 | lilliput | 20 and 40 .. never spoke about 80 |
| 22:08.24 | eigenlambda | firefox doesn't behave as specified in the man page |
| 22:08.33 | Gnea | lilliput: the idea is the exact same |
| 22:08.43 | Gnea | lilliput: it doesn't matter 80 gig and 160gig |
| 22:08.46 | eigenlambda | firefox -P p doesn't load profile p if profile default is already loaded |
| 22:08.46 | lilliput | Gnea, my partition can mount correctly so no pb |
| 22:08.54 | Gnea | lilliput: that doesn't matter. |
| 22:08.56 | michigan | this dude in #firefox says Debian wont have Firefox 1.5 for some time |
| 22:09.01 | mjk64 | crostyna: Sorry, I fear I'm too much a Debian newbie to help you in this respect. :-/ |
| 22:10.00 | madradrone | michigan: tell him it doesn't matter, because debian has PATH |
| 22:10.03 | Gnea | lilliput: you've used dd incorrectly. you can mount it, but you can't boot it. so are you going from a 40gig to a 20gig or from a 20gig to a 40gig? |
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| 22:10.11 | crostyna | no prob |
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| 22:10.24 | dumezil-school | im installing a new hard drive and when i hook it up, i get the whole bit about finding the new drive spit out to the console, but when i try to partition it or anything, cfdisk can't find the drive. the drive doesn't seem to exist in /dev either... anyone know whats going on? |
| 22:10.47 | mz_work | crostyna: maybe-> dselect update |
| 22:11.04 | lilliput | Gnea, oki I can mount but not boot I figure it out but I did force grub through a chroot, did a install-mbr and this hdd doesn't want to boot at all |
| 22:11.18 | crostyna | ill try that mz_work |
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| 22:11.34 | crostyna | ehh no good |
| 22:11.40 | Gnea | lilliput: the problem is that you used install-mbr - you don't need it. |
| 22:11.57 | lilliput | Gnea, the point is not to make my linux booting |
| 22:11.58 | Gnea | lilliput: just use grub to install the mbr - do you have pinfo installed? |
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| 22:12.08 | lilliput | boot on the hdd |
| 22:12.09 | inigo_p | holas |
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| 22:12.28 | Gnea | lilliput: what is the point then? |
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| 22:12.42 | lilliput | I can't :( |
| 22:12.52 | Gnea | that does it. |
| 22:13.02 | lilliput | it's what I'm trying to explain |
| 22:13.05 | Gnea | if you refuse to listen to someone who knows what they're talking about, you shall recieve NO HELP. |
| 22:13.15 | lilliput | my bios doesn't boot on the MBR |
| 22:13.29 | lilliput | it's like the MBR was corrupted |
| 22:13.36 | Gnea | i don't care. |
| 22:13.39 | dumezil-school | when i hook the drive up, i get information about sdi spinning up, and how big it is and the vendor and model and type. but when i look in /dev for sdi, there is nothing... |
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| 22:14.15 | Gnea | if the point is to make your linux not boot, then you have succeeded. |
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| 22:14.30 | lilliput | arg won't fight was just describing the real pb, I'm not a minux beginner it's 5 years that I'm doing linux install and such |
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| 22:14.45 | Gnea | bullshit. |
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| 22:15.02 | lilliput | Gnea, search on my nickname on google |
| 22:15.05 | lilliput | you'll see |
| 22:15.23 | repp | haha, yeah I'm sure that lilliput is a productive search term ;) |
| 22:15.41 | lilliput | oki search on my name fabien bourdaire |
| 22:15.58 | abrotman | lilliput: i'd try a tar . but it's up to you |
| 22:16.22 | lilliput | abrotman, mm explain ? |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | no way! |
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| 22:16.40 | abrotman | i can smell the beer! |
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| 22:16.58 | abrotman | lilliput: using dd with drives that are different sizes can lead to all sorts of problems |
| 22:17.21 | loca|host | when doing tail -f /var/log/messages i get an unlimited number of lines like this : "Dec 1 22:35:20 fourat kernel: codec_write 1: semaphore is not ready for register 0x54" and it's adding those lines every second ! this is an old issue on my Sarge 3.1, what's the problem ? |
| 22:17.23 | Gnea | lilliput: if you're such an expert, you should know the answer to your problem already. |
| 22:17.23 | astronut | someone say my name |
| 22:17.32 | crostyna | astronaut |
| 22:17.35 | crostyna | err |
| 22:17.35 | Gnea | ASS TRO NUT |
| 22:17.44 | astronut | ....seriously |
| 22:17.55 | crostyna | I give it a 6 |
| 22:17.59 | Gnea | seriously, i said it outloud |
| 22:18.04 | Gnea | then i typed it |
| 22:18.05 | Gnea | :) |
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| 22:18.31 | astronut | crostyna: you spelled it wrong |
| 22:18.49 | astronut | forget it |
| 22:18.51 | mtnman | lillip: there is a hard-disk upgrade mini-howto at tldpdp.org which describes how to do what you are attempting. i suggest you read it. |
| 22:18.53 | crostyna | no YOU spelled it wrong |
| 22:18.54 | Gnea | lilliput: now you're wasting your time and ours with this silly name-hunting on google game |
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| 22:19.11 | mtnman | tldp.org, that is. |
| 22:19.25 | lilliput | Gnea, don't bother I'll get help wome where else |
| 22:19.28 | ViViD | why when i try to install some packages does apt try to remove hundreds of things i have installed? |
| 22:19.28 | Gnea | crostyna: [04:58PM] <astronut> someone say my name |
| 22:19.29 | lilliput | thanks anyway |
| 22:19.34 | Gnea | crostyna: it says 'astronut' here |
| 22:19.44 | lilliput | sorry about my weird pb |
| 22:19.58 | lilliput | when I get the solution I'll explain it back |
| 22:20.01 | mtnman | lilliput: read the howto and you won't have a problem. |
| 22:20.03 | abrotman | you have a weird pub ? |
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| 22:20.07 | madradrone | lilliput: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:20.11 | Gnea | lilliput: good deal. |
| 22:20.13 | crostyna | it's spelled 'astronaut' |
| 22:20.23 | abrotman | crostyna: you think? |
| 22:20.26 | Gnea | crostyna: idiot. |
| 22:20.29 | astronut | anyone know why 2.6.14.3 will fail saying "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1"..... |
| 22:20.36 | abrotman | such insight .. unseen in #debian before today! |
| 22:20.46 | Gnea | crostyna: it's astronut - astronaut is a totally different word. obviously he typed 'astronut'. |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | astronut: because you made a mistake compiling your kernel |
| 22:20.49 | madradrone | astronut: yes |
| 22:20.52 | dumezil-school | if i look at /proc/diskstats, i see a drive sdi that when i look in /dev, is not there... why might this drive not be showing up in /dev, but showing up in /proc/diskstats? |
| 22:20.57 | crostyna | hahaha |
| 22:21.12 | astronut | abrotman: so i thought...but i've done it 3 times, including with the debian .config from 2.6.13.2 |
| 22:21.25 | astronut | wait, s/3/6 |
| 22:21.30 | Gnea | his nickname appears at astronut, and it is thus spelled correctly. |
| 22:21.33 | astronut | i'm going to try to go back a kernel |
| 22:21.42 | madradrone | astronut: what sort of disk controller? |
| 22:21.49 | crostyna | Let's agree to disagree |
| 22:22.11 | Gnea | crostyna: take a screenshot, right now, and post it on a url. PROVE ME WRONG. |
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| 22:22.34 | astronut | madradrone: built into mobo, nforce chipset |
| 22:23.07 | repp | crostyna: haha, you can't tell other people how to spell their nick's. Do tell, how should I correctly spell my nick, for example? |
| 22:23.19 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 22:23.34 | dondelelcaro | repp: well, you can, it just won't avail you much. |
| 22:23.49 | repp | dondelelcaro: ah yes, that's true |
| 22:23.50 | mtnman | repp: obvioiusly, you have an extra "p" |
| 22:23.53 | astronut | dondelelcaro: do you maintain bts? |
| 22:23.54 | madradrone | astronut: what type? |
| 22:24.01 | astronut | madradrone: uhmm... |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:24.06 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 22:24.08 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:24.09 | dondelelcaro | astronut: I'm one of the people with access, yes. |
| 22:24.11 | astronut | 0000:00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP2A IDE (rev a3) |
| 22:24.18 | crostyna | i'd say repp is more of a sound than a wored |
| 22:24.20 | websdale | crostyna:astronut is a play on words like many nicks - don't you realise that? |
| 22:24.20 | crostyna | word |
| 22:24.23 | astronut | dondelelcaro: i hadn't realized, until you helped that due on d-d |
| 22:24.24 | deadcat | madradrone: my iriver is UMS with firmware 1.8 now (= the problem was that i have to press the usb cable hard into the player )= |
| 22:24.27 | madradrone | astronut: if you can't answer that, you have no business building kernels, nor wasting our time... |
| 22:24.30 | astronut | and an OLD one like that |
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| 22:24.36 | toresbe | crostyna: it is a NAME |
| 22:24.36 | crostyna | we websdale can you elaborate |
| 22:24.37 | astronut | deadcat: h10? |
| 22:24.45 | madradrone | deadcat: oh... |
| 22:24.46 | deadcat | astronut: ifp790 |
| 22:24.49 | astronut | madradrone: i knew, jus thad to look it up |
| 22:24.53 | astronut | deadcat: ah, ok |
| 22:24.55 | deadcat | astronut: 256MB |
| 22:24.56 | astronut | i have an h10 |
| 22:24.59 | astronut | 20 gig |
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| 22:25.02 | madradrone | astronut: bullshit |
| 22:25.02 | deadcat | (= |
| 22:25.16 | astronut | madradrone: i knew WHERE to look |
| 22:25.21 | astronut | just didn't know off the TOP OF MY HEAD |
| 22:25.31 | madradrone | astronut: bullshit |
| 22:25.40 | astronut | madradrone: ? |
| 22:25.44 | astronut | i showed you, didn't i? |
| 22:25.56 | madradrone | astronut: install a debian kernel and learn more about computers |
| 22:25.57 | Gnea | toresbe: apparantly the english department at michigan state is pounding some massive crap into student's brains |
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| 22:26.20 | madradrone | astronut: sorry but its true. if you can't say right away if your controller is scsi, sata, or ide you dont have a clue |
| 22:26.24 | astronut | madradrone: i've built my own before, used to always build my own, switched to debian but i need a patch |
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| 22:26.30 | astronut | oh |
| 22:26.35 | astronut | i thought you wanted specific model |
| 22:26.40 | astronut | i have both IDE and SATA |
| 22:26.45 | astronut | i'm only using IDE |
| 22:26.49 | deadcat | madradrone: its /dev/sda instead of sda1 |
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| 22:27.00 | madradrone | deadcat: ? |
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| 22:27.31 | astronut | hda = 100 gig ibm, hdb = sony dvd+/-rw, hdc=200 gig maxtor, hdd = 120 gig maxtor |
| 22:27.32 | deadcat | madradrone: the iriver device |
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| 22:27.46 | astronut | madradrone: i thought you wanted the specific chipset of my controller, not just the raw type |
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| 22:28.33 | dumezil-school | i have a disk, sdi, that shows up in /sys and /proc, but doesn't show up in /dev... thus i can't mess with it... what might cause this or how might i get around it? |
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| 22:29.08 | hans0lo | I want to set up apache2 to wher eI can have several virtual hosts, yet I only have one IP, and no DNS assigned. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:29.16 | deadcat | i get seg fault when i umount /mnt/iriver as normal user, sudo umount works. |
| 22:29.23 | michigan | Does anybody know where I can find an AMD64 build of Firefox 1.5? |
| 22:29.27 | astronut | hans0lo: apache's website, "VirtualHost" directive |
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| 22:29.35 | abrotman | michigan: pure64 ? |
| 22:29.37 | deadcat | i mounted it as regular user by the way. could this be my system's problem? |
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| 22:29.59 | astronut | deadcat: wouldn't think so |
| 22:30.04 | astronut | deadcat: you have "users" in fstab? |
| 22:30.09 | michigan | abrotman, yes |
| 22:30.21 | dumezil-school | anyone have any idea why my drive doesn't show up in /dev, but in /sys and /proc? |
| 22:30.28 | litage | i received an email from cron say "/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: klogctl: Invalid argument". however, there's no mention of klog in /etc/cron.daily/* or /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 22:30.39 | deadcat | astronut: i have user. same settings for my usb flash drive. they work |
| 22:30.44 | astronut | deadcat: interesting |
| 22:30.45 | n2iko | can somebody direct me to a url that will give me info on debian sarge's run levels. I want to boot to a cli and start X from there instead of gdm. |
| 22:30.52 | abrotman | michigan: all i've seen is RC3 in experimental |
| 22:30.58 | astronut | deadcat: sounds like a hardware issue? dunno |
| 22:31.03 | hans0lo | astronut: I see ony two options. IP based, and hostname based. |
| 22:31.05 | abrotman | michigan: give it a few days .. or ask apt-get.org for an unofficial one |
| 22:31.14 | deadcat | astronut: ya. i get seg fault with apt-get cache sometimes too. |
| 22:31.15 | astronut | hans0lo: hostname |
| 22:31.20 | astronut | deadcat: hmm |
| 22:31.23 | astronut | sounds like something else then |
| 22:31.24 | astronut | weird |
| 22:31.26 | astronut | bad memory? |
| 22:31.27 | michigan | abrotman, I don't see that in experimental. I'll check apt-get.org . |
| 22:31.28 | astronut | i dunno |
| 22:31.30 | deadcat | astronut: i know my hda9 is little fucked |
| 22:32.04 | abrotman | michigan: packages.debian.org/mozilla-firefox |
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| 22:33.01 | michigan | abrotman, yes, but I don't see an AMD64 build under experimental |
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| 22:33.27 | astronut | abrotman: amd64 won't go in main archives yet |
| 22:33.39 | crostyna | which package do I need in order for my spell checkers to work? |
| 22:33.44 | abrotman | michigan: i'm sorry .. you're right .. ask #debian-amd64 if they have one .. or ask why it's failing for experimental |
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| 22:33.50 | abrotman | astronut: it's there for sid |
| 22:34.01 | astronut | abrotman: p.d.o? |
| 22:34.05 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mozilla-firefox |
| 22:34.07 | astronut | it's not in main archives until the arch split |
| 22:34.09 | abrotman | astronut: etch and sid |
| 22:34.34 | abrotman | astronut: i know . but it's listed |
| 22:34.35 | astronut | abrotman: not amd64 |
| 22:34.39 | astronut | wow |
| 22:34.41 | astronut | you're right |
| 22:34.49 | abrotman | astronut: it's listed .. not in the real mirror system .. but still listed |
| 22:34.58 | abrotman | Guerin: you've been bouncy! |
| 22:35.02 | astronut | interesting |
| 22:35.05 | websdale | n2iko: why do you want to start X manually? |
| 22:35.24 | Guerin | not bouncy in the good way |
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| 22:36.54 | madclicker | how can i load netfilter modules at boot time? |
| 22:37.12 | crostyna | ehhh can I switch my version of debian from unstable to sarge or etch without formatting? |
| 22:37.19 | quitte | madclicker: put them in /etc/modules |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | !tell crostyna about downgrade |
| 22:37.45 | abrotman | crostyna: the best you can hope for is to change to etch .. and wait .. wait for packages to filter in |
| 22:37.59 | crostyna | how do I do that? |
| 22:38.16 | abrotman | same way you changed to unstable ? |
| 22:38.25 | crostyna | I installed unstable to begin with |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | badgers: go away |
| 22:38.37 | litage | why would ``dmesg -n 0'' error, saying "klogctl: Invalid argument"? |
| 22:38.40 | crostyna | so you're telling me to start over? |
| 22:38.46 | abrotman | sussudio: kill badgers .. dpkg has returned! |
| 22:38.52 | abrotman | crostyna: did you read what i said ? |
| 22:38.53 | Guerin | crostyna: no. |
| 22:38.56 | crostyna | nope |
| 22:38.57 | Guerin | crostyna: can you read? |
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| 22:38.59 | crostyna | I guess not |
| 22:39.02 | abrotman | crostyna: change it to etch .. and wait .. wait a long time :) |
| 22:39.19 | abrotman | crostyna: a little god-time might help too :) |
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| 22:39.34 | lilliput | madradrone, ok so I got a pb .. of booting .. I tried different way to install or format the MBR of the hdd and none works, the bios doesn't find any media to boot on; install-mbr should display "MBR" on the top corner of the screen, and then boot as a chainloader stuff. but the bios doesn't even want to boot on that |
| 22:39.49 | crostyna | oh I wasnt reading that stuff |
| 22:39.57 | madradrone | lilliput: pb? |
| 22:40.05 | lilliput | pb=problem |
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| 22:40.10 | sussudio | !kill abrotman |
| 22:40.16 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 22:40.35 | sussudio | no dissing the badgers. |
| 22:40.37 | madradrone | lilliput: ok wait. is this on a new mirrored drive or something? |
| 22:40.50 | ingelectronik | holaaaaaa |
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| 22:41.08 | sussudio | oh look. a moron. |
| 22:41.09 | abrotman | sussudio: hehe .. thank you :) |
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| 22:41.18 | abrotman | sussudio: that's debhelper .. he's useful |
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| 22:41.30 | lilliput | madradrone, I tried dd and different other stuff to make it booting and format the mbr, (install grub from chroot included) none are working |
| 22:41.32 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:41.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:41.35 | sussudio | no. adsl.terra.cl = morons |
| 22:41.37 | ingelectronik | my name is francisco.. |
| 22:41.44 | madradrone | lilliput: answer my question |
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| 22:42.26 | lilliput | I formated between so will be yes the first time and then no |
| 22:42.32 | ingelectronik | who is that? |
| 22:42.42 | crostyna | haha oh that's awesome |
| 22:42.45 | madradrone | lilliput: i have no idea what you're saying. |
| 22:42.57 | crostyna | when I went apt-get upgrade, it bitched about my lyx depancies |
| 22:42.59 | abrotman | join the club :) |
| 22:43.22 | abrotman | sussudio: thanks for badgers services ... |
| 22:43.35 | sussudio | :-| |
| 22:43.37 | abrotman | sussudio: is there anyway to put badgers in #-bots .. and have someone !join #debian ? |
| 22:43.48 | abrotman | not just anyone .. but certain people |
| 22:43.57 | sussudio | abrotman: i don't think so. |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 22:44.35 | lilliput | I started with dd to get my data - and like it didn't worked .. I tried to reinstall grub from a chroot - didn't work , I did the install-mbr stuff - still not - cfdisk remove everything did an empty ext3 partition formated and did install-mbr still nothing |
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| 22:45.20 | addNtoX | hola |
| 22:45.26 | lilliput | madradrone, does it make sence ? |
| 22:45.30 | addNtoX | what is the best way to install true type fonts? |
| 22:45.31 | abrotman | sense |
| 22:45.33 | madradrone | lilliput: what? |
| 22:45.36 | abrotman | !tell addNtoX about ttf |
| 22:45.48 | lilliput | abrotman, sorry sense |
| 22:45.56 | tarzeau | dpkg hello |
| 22:45.56 | dpkg | Hi, tarzeau! |
| 22:46.07 | addNtoX | !tell addNtoX about truetype |
| 22:46.09 | sha1sum | booga |
| 22:46.13 | madradrone | lilliput: <lilliput> madradrone, I tried dd and different other stuff to make it booting and format the mbr, (install grub from chroot included) none are working <- no, that is totally incoherent to me |
| 22:46.18 | ac3 | is it possible to use pam_ldap - libnss-ldap authentication without read access to the attr=userPassword? |
| 22:47.01 | ingelectronik | hellow frieds, i from chile.. |
| 22:47.05 | lilliput | madradrone, oki like my bios doesn't want to boot on the MBR of my hdd I tried different way to write a clean MBR |
| 22:47.15 | lilliput | all faiked |
| 22:47.17 | lilliput | failed |
| 22:47.31 | licued2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.37 | licued2 | Woody = 3.0 ... Sarge = 3.1 ...but if I move everything to unstable via /etc/apt/source.list ... will everything just be 3.2 ? |
| 22:47.51 | madradrone | lilliput: why would the MBR affect the bios? |
| 22:48.07 | _rene_ | no |
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| 22:48.13 | tarzeau | licued2: 3.1 |
| 22:48.22 | licued2 | tarzeau ? |
| 22:48.29 | _rene_ | because unstable is unstable is unstable and it will never be released and thefrefor it won't have a version |
| 22:48.33 | tarzeau | licued2: it should, if you manage to upgrade successfully |
| 22:48.35 | _rene_ | tarzeau: *unstable* |
| 22:48.41 | lilliput | the bios boot on the first sector of the hdd called Master Boot record, for obvious reason the bios doesn't want to read or doesn't recognize my hdd |
| 22:48.41 | djw | ac3: iirc pam_ldap requires read access and libnss-ldap doesn't |
| 22:48.42 | XTF | Hi. Is there an app I can use to pipe output to that uses a ring buffer / double buffering so the files don't continue to grow forever? |
| 22:48.54 | tarzeau | _rene_: i know, unstable has the same version in /etc/debian_version |
| 22:48.54 | _rene_ | sarge is 3.1 |
| 22:48.59 | _rene_ | tarzeau: wrong |
| 22:49.09 | tarzeau | _rene_: but look i have unstable and that file shows 3.1 |
| 22:49.11 | licued2 | so if I install Woody, and then move it to unstable, it will be the same exact version as if I moved a sarge to unstable? |
| 22:49.19 | _rene_ | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:49.19 | _rene_ | testing/unstable |
| 22:49.22 | lilliput | madradrone, and the effect is I can't boot anything - including windows |
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| 22:49.24 | ac3 | djw: thx, can´t i do without pam_ldap then? |
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| 22:49.43 | djw | ac3: are you storing user details in ldap? |
| 22:49.48 | madradrone | lilliput: are you in the habit of just ignoring questions, or are you trying to be annoying? |
| 22:49.48 | ac3 | yes |
| 22:49.54 | tarzeau | _rene_: ah true, a later sid here shows testing/unstable too |
| 22:50.05 | licued2 | so if I install Woody, and then move it to unstable, it will be the same exact version as if I moved a sarge to unstable? |
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| 22:50.16 | lilliput | madradrone, which qquestion .? |
| 22:50.21 | tarzeau | licued2: yes |
| 22:50.25 | licued2 | okay |
| 22:50.26 | licued2 | thanks |
| 22:50.28 | djw | ac3: then you'll need pam_ldap to auth the user, libnss_ldap does lookups for mapping UIDs to users |
| 22:50.31 | _rene_ | licued2: EXCEPT |
| 22:50.35 | madradrone | lilliput: i asked you, why/how do you think the MBR will affect the bios? |
| 22:50.37 | licued2 | except...?? |
| 22:50.38 | _rene_ | licued2: skipping releases are not supported |
| 22:50.43 | licued2 | what do you mean? |
| 22:50.45 | _rene_ | licued2: go woody -> sarge -> unstable |
| 22:50.50 | licued2 | ohhh |
| 22:50.53 | _rene_ | woody -> unstable is not supported |
| 22:50.55 | licued2 | well, how could I do that? |
| 22:50.58 | lilliput | madradrone, If I knew I would not have been here asking |
| 22:51.05 | _rene_ | err? as you would do it directly, too? |
| 22:51.08 | _rene_ | just two times? |
| 22:51.15 | lilliput | madradrone, oh sorry |
| 22:51.16 | ac3 | thx |
| 22:51.27 | licued2 | so I couldn't just put "unstable" in my /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 22:51.30 | licued2 | it would give me an error? |
| 22:51.41 | ac3 | djw: Is this fixed in unstable? |
| 22:51.42 | madradrone | lilliput: <lilliput> madradrone, oki like my bios doesn't want to boot on the MBR of my hdd I tried different way to write a clean MBR |
| 22:51.45 | _rene_ | it might, yes |
| 22:51.48 | djw | ac3: fixed? |
| 22:52.02 | fbi | licued2: the common practice is to upgrade woody to sarge via aptitude, then upgrade sarge to sid. |
| 22:52.06 | ac3 | that it needs read xs to userPassword |
| 22:52.07 | _rene_ | and if you need to ask such questions unstable is wrong for you anyway |
| 22:52.08 | lilliput | madradrone, install-mbr is a boot loader from ibm to format the MBR section of the hdd and to do a chain loader, it also print MBR on the screen |
| 22:52.29 | lilliput | madradrone, but that one didn't worked |
| 22:52.45 | madradrone | lilliput: why not /sbin/grub-install ? |
| 22:52.50 | licued2 | so what do I put their first instead of "unstable" ? |
| 22:52.55 | madradrone | lilliput: or simply use lilo? |
| 22:53.01 | fbi | licued2: sarge or stable |
| 22:53.08 | ac3 | if pam_ldap binds with the 'to be authenticated user' it has read xs to all needed attributes exept userPassword |
| 22:53.13 | licued2 | well, it should say stable already right? |
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| 22:53.42 | lilliput | madradrone, because install-mbr doesn't need any config file and are much more light .. just proved the point .. that's all .. I never use install-mbr otherwise but grub |
| 22:53.51 | fbi | licued2: use sarge or stable. |
| 22:53.52 | lilliput | madradrone, does it make sense ? |
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| 22:54.00 | madradrone | lilliput: no |
| 22:54.08 | madradrone | lilliput: user grub or lilo. end of story. |
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| 22:54.12 | djw | ac3: xs == access? |
| 22:54.13 | madradrone | lilliput: use grub or lilo. end of story. |
| 22:54.19 | BeTrix | #debian-br |
| 22:54.23 | ac3 | yes:) |
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| 22:54.38 | lilliput | madradrone, grub doesn't work .. lilo won't |
| 22:54.41 | djw | ac3: I'm not too sure to what your problem is |
| 22:54.45 | madradrone | lilliput: bullshit |
| 22:54.53 | lilliput | I need to boot from a usb key to load the things |
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| 22:55.39 | madradrone | lilliput: this is not a disk drive? |
| 22:55.46 | ac3 | i prefer not to put an accout in pam_ldap.conf that has read access to userPassword |
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| 22:56.10 | lilliput | madradrone, to boot on my HDA I need a usb key with grub install to load the hda1 initrd |
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| 22:56.21 | madradrone | lilliput: why? |
| 22:56.33 | lilliput | my hda MBR is fucked |
| 22:56.46 | lilliput | the bios doesn't want to boot on it |
| 22:57.06 | madradrone | lilliput: what the fuck does having an mbr issue have to do with "needing" an usb boot drive? |
| 22:57.11 | lilliput | I need to boot on the mbr of another media to boot on my hdd |
| 22:57.25 | lilliput | it's not an usb drive |
| 22:57.29 | madradrone | lilliput: use a rescue CD to fix your mbr on your drive |
| 22:57.30 | lilliput | hda !! |
| 22:57.34 | madradrone | lilliput: knoppix. |
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| 22:57.35 | lilliput | I did !! |
| 22:57.40 | dippo | anyone know why, when I try to use apt-pinning in /etc/apt/prefereces between "oldstable" and "stable" (with "oldstable" at a higher priority), when I do apt-get -s upgrade it still tries to upgrade everything? |
| 22:57.49 | lilliput | install-mbr and the chroot |
| 22:57.49 | CasaNova_ | I am using debian testing 2.6.12-1-686 kernel- I am trying to burn a cd on an external Acer USB burner that has worked before on very same machine...Now it wo't detect media. |
| 22:58.01 | CasaNova_ | cdrecord: nodisk/wrong disk keeps beignreturned... |
| 22:58.05 | CasaNova_ | I am using debian testing 2.6.12-1-686 kernel- I am trying to burn a cd on an external Acer USB burner that has worked before on very same machine...Now it wo't detect media. |
| 22:58.13 | CasaNova_ | ooops sorry didnt knwo I reeated |
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| 22:58.17 | CasaNova_ | repeated |
| 22:58.30 | lilliput | madradrone, I even try to install a network debian install didn't work either |
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| 22:58.51 | CasaNova_ | Sense Code: 0x3A Qual 0x00 (medium not present) Fru 0x0 <-- this is one lien returend by cdrecord... |
| 22:58.54 | djw | ac3: isn't the point of pam_ldap to check that the user has inputted the correct password? |
| 22:58.58 | madradrone | lilliput: 1. boot knoppix 2. mount the root partition of the drive 3. edit lilo.conf or menu.lst |
| 22:59.11 | CasaNova_ | I did get cdrecord updated yesterday when I did upgrade - didn't work before or after upgrade |
| 22:59.13 | lilliput | madradrone, I already did that I |
| 22:59.36 | madradrone | lilliput: 4. then "lilo -C /mnt/drive/etc/lilo.conf -r /mnt/drive" |
| 22:59.40 | lilliput | madradrone, I spent one week of testing before coming here |
| 22:59.47 | fbi | you don't need to edit anything. run grub-install and overwrite anything you borked your MBR with. |
| 22:59.54 | lilliput | madradrone, I did it |
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| 23:00.09 | lilliput | and even with install-mbr |
| 23:00.17 | ac3 | djw: yes, but it could do that without read access, it has to bind with the user/password and if the result is ok the pass is valid |
| 23:00.20 | fbi | wtf is "install-mbr" ? |
| 23:00.50 | madradrone | lilliput: or "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/drive --recheck /dev/hda |
| 23:00.52 | cy_ | when will KDE 3.5 make it into debian unstable ? |
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| 23:01.35 | ac3 | fbi: prolly: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1 count=446 |
| 23:01.48 | lilliput | fbi a small utility to recover the mbr like format /MBR under windows,; and it supposed to print MBR before booting on win .. but the bios didn't found any media to boot on |
| 23:01.58 | lilliput | madradrone, done the same in a chroot |
| 23:02.26 | lilliput | ac3, was it for me ? |
| 23:02.30 | fbi | lilliput: grub-install will O V E R W R I T E whatever you screwed up. |
| 23:02.48 | ac3 | fbi: idd:) |
| 23:02.58 | lilliput | fbi done it already |
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| 23:03.40 | ac3 | lilliput: then i had typed "lilliput:" in stead of "fbi:" |
| 23:03.40 | madradrone | lilliput: what is the error when it boots? |
| 23:03.40 | lilliput | no boot media found |
| 23:03.44 | madradrone | lilliput: do you have the line "lba32" in lilo.conf? |
| 23:04.01 | lilliput | yep |
| 23:04.07 | madradrone | lilliput: and your bios settings are correct? does the bios see the drive with the correct geometry? |
| 23:04.09 | lilliput | but grub doesn't have this pb |
| 23:04.24 | fbi | if you're running GRUB, why do you even have a lilo.conf ? |
| 23:04.42 | lilliput | fbi, I tried everything I could since one week |
| 23:04.53 | CasaNova_ | I am begining to feel that I am the Only person who is having trouble burning cds under Linux 2.6 kernel :-) |
| 23:05.13 | lilliput | I was asking here because don't see any other solution |
| 23:06.54 | lilliput | madradrone, I'll check on the bios but it's a recent computer (one year or so) and it was the automatic detection |
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| 23:08.11 | clojster | what's wrong with vlc in testing? It suddenly disappeared... |
| 23:08.25 | fbi | !why is vlc not in etch |
| 23:08.25 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, fbi |
| 23:08.31 | fbi | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 23:08.35 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 23:08.39 | MrBallZ | hi |
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| 23:09.15 | CasaNova_ | I've seen lots of suggestion to use SCSI emul under 2.4 and even under 2.6 but my external USB burner is /dev/sro adn so I don' thting scsi emul has any bearing here, just wondering why no blank media is being detected at all! Every disk I try (3 diff types) all says it No disk/Wrong disk |
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| 23:09.54 | MrBallZ | how can i backport digikam 0.8 from sid ... to sarge ... |
| 23:10.10 | clojster | hmmm :( stupid testing |
| 23:10.16 | fbi | MrBallZ: you can try /msg dpkg simple sid backport (good luck) |
| 23:10.24 | clojster | I should have stayed on stable |
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| 23:12.33 | CasaNova_ | All cdrecord is returning is "cdrecord: No disk / Wrong disk!" Is there any logs or other output I can check to see why no media is being recognized as burnable media? |
| 23:12.46 | madradrone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.13 | ViViD | im having some trouble installing kde headers |
| 23:14.33 | ViViD | kdelibs4-dev has unmet dependencies |
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| 23:16.33 | DevilChaos | does anyone know why cdrecord has problems with kernal2.6? |
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| 23:16.53 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: no |
| 23:16.57 | Pimpinella | DevilChaos: it had? |
| 23:17.08 | Pimpinella | s/had/has |
| 23:17.13 | Pimpinella | not here |
| 23:17.16 | DevilChaos | i get an error msg when i try scanbus |
| 23:17.30 | Pimpinella | which error mgs? |
| 23:17.43 | DevilChaos | ill paste them in a moment |
| 23:17.47 | DevilChaos | in #flood |
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| 23:18.35 | michael | how come, I don't have any sound while using latest Sarge Gnome? |
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| 23:19.00 | jfletcher | michael: you use a sound card or onbourd? |
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| 23:19.24 | rellicc | michael, dmesg? |
| 23:19.27 | michael | jfletcher: I do have a soundcard, the SB Live! Value.... XMMS has sound? |
| 23:19.54 | rellicc | michael, dmesg|less |
| 23:19.55 | jfletcher | michael: if you have onbourd sound too, then goto BIOS + disable it.. |
| 23:20.08 | michael | jfletcher: I don't have onboard sound. |
| 23:20.13 | Pimpinella | DevilChaos: thats a warning, not an error |
| 23:20.22 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 23:20.24 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 23:20.30 | Pimpinella | no wait... |
| 23:20.41 | Pimpinella | there's an error inside |
| 23:20.41 | jfletcher | michael: ah, you have all alsa installed? |
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| 23:20.58 | michael | jfletcher: I'm not sure - how can I check? |
| 23:20.59 | DevilChaos | it should still tell me what id's my cd-roms are though and that all i get |
| 23:20.59 | rellicc | michael, try OSS... then ALSA |
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| 23:21.25 | nevyn | forget oss ;) |
| 23:21.25 | jfletcher | michael: type "alsamixer" on console |
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| 23:21.31 | rellicc | :) |
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| 23:21.37 | jfletcher | then check all your collumbs are turned up a bit |
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| 23:21.42 | jfletcher | play an mp3 to test |
| 23:21.43 | Pimpinella | DevilChaos: it can't because cdrecord can't access your drive |
| 23:21.57 | tarzeau | someone knows "tiki"? |
| 23:22.17 | Pimpinella | it tries to access a non existent device or one it has no access to |
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| 23:22.25 | DevilChaos | whats the command to find alternate then please? |
| 23:22.34 | michael | jfletcher: that cmd can't be found on my system |
| 23:22.39 | DevilChaos | lsscsi? |
| 23:22.48 | jfletcher | michael: then you don't have alsa installed bro |
| 23:22.51 | Pimpinella | DevilChaos: is it an scsi device? |
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| 23:22.55 | jfletcher | michael: what distro are you on? |
| 23:23.00 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 23:23.07 | jfletcher | debian ofc ;E |
| 23:23.10 | michael | jfletcher: okay, I'm on debian 3.0 stable |
| 23:23.16 | jfletcher | michael: sudo apt-get install alsa |
| 23:23.31 | jfletcher | or su |
| 23:23.34 | jfletcher | then apt-get install alsa |
| 23:23.39 | Pimpinella | DevilChaos: tried running 'cdrecord -scanbus' as root |
| 23:23.40 | Pimpinella | ? |
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| 23:23.50 | NuK | hello guys |
| 23:23.50 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 23:23.58 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 23:23.58 | nevyn | jfletcher: play an ogg to test :) |
| 23:24.13 | Pimpinella | was your drive found? |
| 23:24.19 | michael | jfletcher: done ... :) |
| 23:24.31 | DevilChaos | no i just get the warning message |
| 23:24.32 | Pimpinella | make |
| 23:24.35 | Pimpinella | oops |
| 23:24.36 | NuK | I need to extract an splitted .rar file, rar-free dont seem to handle it, any suggestions? |
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| 23:25.03 | antgel_ | NuK: rar non-free |
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| 23:25.40 | madradrone | DevilChaos: man cdrecord |
| 23:25.49 | michael | jfletcher: and how can I tell firefox to play sound now? |
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| 23:26.10 | NuK | antgel, rar-free is the only thing rar related synaptic gives me, know where i can find another? |
| 23:26.31 | Guerin | a web browser shouldn't play sound, it should display web pages |
| 23:26.36 | Guerin | use a media player to play media |
| 23:26.48 | Guerin | NuK: /msg dpkg unrar |
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| 23:26.58 | michael | Guerin: but whenever the flash plugin is loaded, I don't get any sound at all. |
| 23:27.03 | madradrone | DevilChaos: see /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup |
| 23:27.05 | jfletcher | michael: firefox should allready work via alsa |
| 23:27.09 | Guerin | michael: sounds like a bonus to me |
| 23:27.09 | tarzeau | michael: do you cook with a hammer? |
| 23:27.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: you said that so beautiful |
| 23:27.40 | michael | tarzeau: uh? nah! why? I dont get it? |
| 23:27.46 | NuK | Guerin, whats that? |
| 23:27.50 | loopdee | cups doesnt work, should i install foomatic? |
| 23:27.54 | Guerin | NuK: /msg dpkg unrar |
| 23:27.57 | michael | Guerin: but what if I'd like to have sound? |
| 23:28.03 | Guerin | loopdee: do what feels right |
| 23:28.20 | Guerin | michael: are you using gnoem, kde, or what? |
| 23:28.24 | loopdee | installing it all feels right |
| 23:28.27 | michael | Guerin: Gnome |
| 23:28.35 | tarzeau | michael: i wonder what is flash |
| 23:28.38 | tarzeau | flash gordon? |
| 23:28.38 | Guerin | michael: esddsp firefox & |
| 23:28.38 | FallOnMe | NuK: rar is in the non-free section. |
| 23:29.00 | tarzeau | http://www.flashgordon.ws/ |
| 23:29.04 | Guerin | michael: gnome is breindead and monopolises your audio device, so non-gnome apps can't use it. |
| 23:29.08 | antgel_ | NuK: as i said, in non-free |
| 23:29.19 | NuK | FallOnMe, guess i'll have to boot windows just for that |
| 23:29.28 | Guerin | NuK: why? |
| 23:29.28 | FallOnMe | NuK: why? |
| 23:29.31 | FallOnMe | heh |
| 23:29.37 | Guerin | you've been TOLS where it fucking is |
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| 23:29.41 | Guerin | and TOLD too |
| 23:29.52 | Guerin | aside from anything else |
| 23:29.53 | NuK | still don't know how to extract them here |
| 23:30.02 | Guerin | the AUTHOR releases unix binaries |
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| 23:30.11 | madradrone | loopdee: i thought cups was one of several different backends for foomatic? |
| 23:30.13 | FallOnMe | NuK: there is a non-free section of Debian archives. Add that to your sources.list. update, install rar. |
| 23:30.18 | Guerin | NuK: did you ask dpkg about unrar yet? |
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| 23:30.47 | loopdee | madradrone: i guess, i have no idea, still learning |
| 23:31.18 | NuK | that thing talks?lol |
| 23:31.29 | madradrone | loopdee: but i would stick with cups since it is probably the best system... |
| 23:31.46 | DevilChaos | madradrone : got it thanks |
| 23:31.55 | antgel_ | NuK: isn't #debian funny |
| 23:32.04 | LSorensen | loopdee: foomatic often makes cups easier to configure |
| 23:32.07 | FallOnMe | !pie |
| 23:32.07 | dpkg | [pie] NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
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| 23:32.27 | loopdee | okay |
| 23:32.37 | madradrone | i just http://localhost:631 for cups... |
| 23:32.40 | LSorensen | loopdee: all you need is the cups/foomatic ppds package and the recomended packages for cupsys and then connect to http://localhost:631 and under admin (login as root) you add a printer |
| 23:32.55 | loopdee | ill try that out |
| 23:32.58 | snuff- | how do i select which network card gets loaded for which ethernet device at boot time? aliases in modules.conf don't seem to work since the modules are loaded before it gets touched |
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| 23:33.16 | snuff- | so that i get same card for same device each time |
| 23:33.19 | LSorensen | snuff-: order of loading. add modules in right order in /etc/modules |
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| 23:33.27 | madradrone | LSorense: what if its an HP all-in-one? then you also need hplip... |
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| 23:33.38 | LSorensen | snuff-: discover/hotplug/udev auto detect is likely to go by bus order or something |
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| 23:33.45 | snuff- | LSorensen: but the modules are loaded before that, i'm using an initrd kernel |
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| 23:33.50 | LSorensen | madradrone: which might be in the recomends/suggests liust |
| 23:34.04 | LSorensen | snuff-: network modules are almost never loaded in initrd (why the heck would they be?) |
| 23:34.10 | madradrone | LSorensen: many HP's need it. and many other priters use custom ppd's which you need to download, such as konika |
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| 23:34.16 | LSorensen | snuff-: you load those from /etc/modules |
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| 23:34.51 | madradrone | LSorense: i thought the gimp-print ppd's were supposedly better...? |
| 23:34.57 | snuff- | but 2.6.14 in debian seems to load almost all modules in the very beginning, how do i prevent that? |
| 23:35.13 | LSorensen | madradrone: for printers supporting gimpprint, those are good to have. |
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| 23:35.15 | row | why does pxe client when trying to netboot with offical netboot files off the debian archive try to use a load of random pxe config files, first tries mac address named file then a string and it removes a char off the end every try then goes to default and seems to be dead. |
| 23:35.16 | row | ? |
| 23:35.24 | LSorensen | snuff-: no it loads ide modules at the begining |
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| 23:35.31 | DevilChaos | back later bye just now |
| 23:35.33 | LSorensen | snuff-: unless something changed very recently |
| 23:35.35 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 23:36.11 | madradrone | LSorense: usually i just try to install as many ppd's as possible since i never know to what I might need to print... |
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| 23:37.09 | snuff- | LSorensen: i get network modules initialized right after the message SCSI subsystem initialized |
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| 23:37.29 | LSorensen | snuff-: hmm, weird. never seen that happen unless someone adds network modules to the initrd config files |
| 23:38.53 | snuff- | is it possible to change drivers related to eth devices with ethtool? |
| 23:39.55 | LSorensen | snuff-: eth# is assigned in order of load. You can rename then with ifrename if you want. kind of bessy. better to fix the load order to be what you want |
| 23:39.56 | snuff- | since i don't want to tinker with the standard kernel |
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| 23:40.31 | LSorensen | snuff-: that is NOT tinkering with the kernel, it is configuring your system's boot settings |
| 23:40.37 | LSorensen | snuff-: the kernel will not change |
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| 23:41.09 | snuff- | LSorensen: hmm how i change the order then? if it's up to initrd? |
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| 23:41.17 | snuff- | i have no idea how it works |
| 23:41.21 | snuff- | rtfm i guess.. :) |
| 23:41.25 | sbou | hi i need some tips about the debian network install; i can't seem to find any reference to dsl-provider in the infinitely-minimal environment provided by debian's bootable floppy |
| 23:41.32 | levander | There's some way to boot into single user mode from the grub menu, like there used to be with lilo? |
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| 23:41.54 | sbou | my dsl provider asks for an username&password, it's not using dhcp |
| 23:42.02 | LSorensen | snuff-: well check your initrd file, and the config for it. it used to be mkinitrd but that seems to have changed recently. and check what you have in /etc/modules and /etc/mkinitrd/modules and such. something is causing those drivers to be loaded at boot or in the initrd and that something can be controlled and changed |
| 23:42.09 | N0S3 | hello !! |
| 23:42.10 | LSorensen | sbou: probably pppoe |
| 23:42.27 | kjdis | Is there a different source for pkgs I can use for apt-get that has the latest pkgs? For example I wouild like to install libstdc++6 4.0.2 |
| 23:42.49 | azeem | sbou: bootable floppy? |
| 23:42.55 | N0S3 | i have "tmsnc" , this block at startup login , any solution? |
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| 23:42.56 | LSorensen | sbou: the expert install mode might let you load a pppoe support module for the installer, otherwise you will have to finish stage one and run pppoeconf after the reboot |
| 23:42.59 | antgel_ | !tell kjdis about releases |
| 23:43.11 | LSorensen | sbou: pppoe support in the installer is not exactly good :) |
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| 23:43.19 | azeem | kjdis: why do you need a newer libstdc++? |
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| 23:43.23 | slpyhd | what does this mean? http://lwn.net/Articles/162400/ |
| 23:43.29 | snuff- | LSorensen: one last question, do i need to remake the initrd file after editing /etc/mkinitrd/modules? :)) |
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| 23:43.50 | sbou | LSorensen: i can actually finish stage one without any internet connection? this computer has no cd drive... |
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| 23:43.57 | LSorensen | snuff-: which kernel version do you use? |
| 23:44.03 | LSorensen | sbou: I believe you can |
| 23:44.07 | azeem | sbou: you could install over the network |
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| 23:44.12 | LSorensen | sbou: at least I think so with the 110M or so cd image |
| 23:44.17 | snuff- | LSorensen: 2.6.14-2-k7 |
| 23:44.19 | azeem | sbou: or from a USB pendrive |
| 23:44.32 | LSorensen | snuff-: well that one doesn't use mkinitrd I think it uses yaird or initramfstools |
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| 23:44.42 | LSorensen | snuff-: I don't think mkinitrd works past 2.6.12 |
| 23:44.49 | snuff- | argh |
| 23:44.51 | SerajewelKS | i can't get autofs to work: http://pastebin.ca/32050 i can't cd to /mnt/auto/sde though i can mount /dev/sde1 as root without error |
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| 23:45.09 | LSorensen | snuff-: I haven't played with yaird yet myself though so not sure how you manage it |
| 23:45.15 | antgel_ | snuff-: there are backports of 2.6.14 for sarge at www.backports.org/pending |
| 23:45.22 | sphenxes | I am carrying my baggauges and moving to Debian. I have few questions. Do Firefox K3B XChat Xboard work on Debian? |
| 23:45.26 | kjdis | I need a newer libstdc++ for DirectFB |
| 23:45.29 | LSorensen | snuff-: should be some files in /etc/yaird though |
| 23:45.32 | kjdis | actually for dfb++ |
| 23:45.34 | fpitt_ | night! |
| 23:45.47 | kjdis | actually I am using ubuntu but the same principle applies for apt-get sources |
| 23:45.53 | sbou | pretty much all i got is my pppoe/adsl connection and these floppies :P i would need more info on how to load the pppoe module |
| 23:46.02 | antgel_ | !topicsmite kjdis |
| 23:46.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kjdis. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:46.05 | sbou | i'm not that much of an expert |
| 23:46.15 | azeem | kjdis: well, use the Ubuntu development distribution then |
| 23:46.17 | eegore_ | anyone have a problem reaching the ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian repositories? |
| 23:46.21 | kjdis | I am going to |
| 23:46.34 | antgel_ | !tell sphenxes about pdo |
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| 23:46.44 | N0S3 | hello , any can help me? any use a tmsnc? |
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| 23:46.47 | sphenxes | antgel, sorry what is pdo |
| 23:46.50 | azeem | kjdis: or rebuild directfb against your version of libstdc++ |
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| 23:46.59 | kjdis | well yeah this is not #ubuntu but my question was sort of generic anyway :) |
| 23:47.00 | antgel_ | sphenxes: dpkg just told you |
| 23:47.07 | eegore_ | I need an alternate repository to update my install |
| 23:47.12 | antgel_ | kjdis: no it wasn't |
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| 23:47.34 | stew | sweet: a debian powered keg fridge: http://www.kegbot.org/ |
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| 23:47.52 | levander | antgel: it's been said many time ubuntu questions are on topic in #debian |
| 23:47.53 | nazgul | how would I scan recursively all header files (*.h) with "grep"? grep -r .. *.h doesn't work |
| 23:47.57 | sbou | i've just got this huge idea: is it possible to use my ipod as an usb key on startup? |
| 23:48.15 | N0S3 | stew: :) |
| 23:48.19 | N0S3 | stew: hello |
| 23:48.21 | Steewen | hello. can someone tell me how good computer i have to have to be able to install Dabian linux? im thinking about trying it on an old laptop |
| 23:48.41 | antgel_ | Steewen: not that good |
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| 23:48.48 | DCafk | debian should go on most |
| 23:48.53 | SerajewelKS | arg |
| 23:48.57 | SerajewelKS | autofs is being a bitch... |
| 23:48.58 | stew | hi |
| 23:49.06 | antgel_ | levander: oh? that's news to me. do expand |
| 23:49.11 | eeyore- | Steewen: i have debian running on a netpliance :-) |
| 23:49.12 | benjamindees | Steewen, depends on what you want to do with it |
| 23:49.19 | eeyore- | Steewen: centaur winchip-2 |
| 23:49.28 | Steewen | hope so :) im gonna go for it, im not even using that laptop any more, so i can't damage anything |
| 23:50.01 | levander | antgel: ubuntu is a flavor of debian, there are a few customizations, but most packages are compiled directly from debian sources |
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| 23:50.09 | N0S3 | stew: any solution for tmsnc? this block at startup |
| 23:50.16 | N0S3 | :'( |
| 23:50.16 | benjamindees | sbou, ,what do you mean by "on startup" ? |
| 23:50.31 | antgel_ | levander: i know all that. what i don't know is why you think ubuntu is on topic here |
| 23:50.34 | kjdis | azeem: I wouldn't know how to rebuild dfb++ as you describe |
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| 23:51.03 | levander | antgel: simply because it's actually debian software he was asking about, and have seen it many times on debian web sites that it's on topic |
| 23:51.09 | SerajewelKS | any idea why autofs doesn't like this? http://pastebin.ca/32050 |
| 23:51.14 | SerajewelKS | it mounts /mnt/auto find |
| 23:51.16 | SerajewelKS | fine* |
| 23:51.32 | SerajewelKS | but when i try 'cd /mnt/auto/sde' it says no such file |
| 23:51.33 | stew | N0S3: i don't know what you are talking about, what is tmsnc? |
| 23:51.43 | SerajewelKS | though i can mount /dev/sde1 fine as root |
| 23:51.49 | antgel_ | levander: he was talking about the ubuntu distribution. don't know what websites you are referring to. i refer you to the /topic. |
| 23:51.49 | azeem | levander: the question which repositories to add is highly specific to the respective derived distribution, though |
| 23:52.03 | stew | SerajewelKS: when you type "mount" to you see automount(pid) on /mnt/auto ? |
| 23:52.12 | SerajewelKS | stew: yes |
| 23:52.12 | benjamindees | any recommendations on watching encrypted DVD on Sarge? |
| 23:52.26 | SerajewelKS | stew: does autofs keep logs at all? |
| 23:52.33 | stormzen | Anyone here know Smoothwall? |
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| 23:52.47 | antgel_ | !tell stormzen about anyone |
| 23:52.52 | SerajewelKS | !tell benjamindees about marillat |
| 23:53.00 | kjdis | well technically I was asking about apt-get |
| 23:53.02 | stew | SerajewelKS: not logs of its own, but probably ends up in /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:53.22 | SerajewelKS | stew: okay.. just says "failed to mount" |
| 23:53.37 | antgel_ | kjdis: no. you were asking about package repositories. |
| 23:53.42 | sbou | benjamindees: there seems to be no pppoe/dsl support, which i need, on debian's bootable floppy. i was wondering how i could use my ipod as a source, or at least to contain the minimal CD |
| 23:54.21 | kjdis | angtel_: actually looking back at my original question, yes, I was asking about specific repos |
| 23:54.33 | kjdis | so ok it's ubuntu related :) |
| 23:54.39 | sbou | in brief i need a workaround for installing debian on a cdrom-less pc |
| 23:54.40 | benjamindees | sbou, ah, I see, is an ipod basically just a USB harddrive? |
| 23:54.40 | SerajewelKS | sbou: can you fit it on a floppy? |
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| 23:55.02 | SerajewelKS | sbou: you can probably also use a thumb drive |
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| 23:55.21 | antgel_ | sbou: have you read the install guide? |
| 23:55.25 | stormzen | antgel_,antgel: I asked if anyone... because the question is complex and I am looking for someone that might have information on a topic outside of #debian... |
| 23:55.31 | SerajewelKS | stew: argh.. i am at a loss |
| 23:55.32 | stormzen | (desperately, even) |
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| 23:56.05 | SerajewelKS | stormzen: then shouldn't you be asking in a smoothwall channel? |
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| 23:56.43 | SerajewelKS | stormzen: you might also try #debian-offtopic though i don't know if they'll be willing to answer either (it's more of a social channel) |
| 23:56.48 | sbou | antgel_: yes i did, but haven't found any specific doc. on using a pppoe/adsl connection to download debian from a minimal bootable-floppy environment |
| 23:56.55 | stormzen | SerajewelKS: I did. It went over real well.. and then everyone there either died or fell asleep -- all at once. :) |
| 23:56.57 | bsims | Hrm everytime I browse a file listing in Konq it crashes it appears to be a bug in previewing sounds... how do I work around this... bugreport says to just wait for Sid to unfsck itself, but gnome's file browser sucks mightily |
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| 23:57.03 | eegore_ | could someone help me find and alternate Canadian repositorie |
| 23:57.11 | SerajewelKS | stormzen: netsplit? |
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| 23:57.16 | kjm | yorku.ca has fast mirrors eegore |
| 23:57.28 | Steewen | what's the most recent version of Debian? |
| 23:57.31 | SerajewelKS | bsims: disable previews |
| 23:57.35 | stormzen | SerajewelKS: No, they're just all lurking or ignoring me. |
| 23:57.43 | SerajewelKS | stormzen: probably all AFK |
| 23:57.53 | stormzen | AFK? |
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| 23:57.59 | SerajewelKS | !afk |
| 23:57.59 | dpkg | i guess afk is Away From Keyboard |
| 23:58.06 | stormzen | ah. yes. |
| 23:58.11 | benjamindees | sbou, can you get the minimal .iso onto a FAT partition? |
| 23:58.12 | bsims | SerajewelKS: well I /would/ but konq doesn't show that dialog unless you are in file mode which is when it crashes >_< |
| 23:58.17 | antgel_ | sbou: does the install kernel not detect the adsl modem? |
| 23:58.28 | SerajewelKS | bsims: the control center should have an option for file browsing |
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| 23:58.40 | antgel_ | !tell Steewen about releases |
| 23:58.40 | SerajewelKS | bsims: at least it does on 3.3 |
| 23:58.42 | Xenguy | eegore_: this one is fast: http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/ |
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| 23:58.45 | Xenguy | eegore_: oops |
| 23:58.52 | bsims | not that I've seen but I'll look again.. I am on 3.4 |
| 23:59.04 | Xenguy | eegore_: no, that's correct |
| 23:59.13 | Dewi | OT: does anyone have any idea where I could learn what the hell MS outlook does to ruin the layout of plain text email? |
| 23:59.26 | DevilChaos | i forgot to ask hoa do i get usenet set up in evolution anyone? |
| 23:59.29 | DevilChaos | how |
| 23:59.30 | Dewi | (sometimes double the line feeds, sometimes none at all) |
| 23:59.33 | kjm | Dewi = yes, get a job at Redmond |
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| 23:59.50 | N0S3 | stew: tmsnc is a text mode client msn |
| 23:59.50 | Xenguy | Dewi: I just c/p to Vim :-) |
| 23:59.54 | sbou | antgel_: my ethernet card is detected all right, what's missing is the driver(s) to actually get a grip on my dsl provider with an username-password (which i usually configure in /etc/ppp/dsl-providers or so) |
| 23:59.57 | roler | to boot off of a debian cd and perform a resucue its just 'linux root=/dev/whatever' right? |
| 23:59.59 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: probably a move to get people to use HTML email, because plain text is "unreliable" =) |
