| 00:00.04 | Dewi | Xenguy: I can't ask all our mailing list subscribers to do that |
| 00:00.08 | rellicc | kjm, the evil company? |
| 00:00.18 | Xenguy | Dewi: exactly (and what SerajewelKS said) |
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| 00:00.25 | Dewi | Xenguy: but it's getting tempting to respond to their complaints with "get a mail reader that isn't shit" |
| 00:00.32 | sbou | pppoe doesn't seem to be provided among the bootable floppy's tools |
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| 00:00.33 | SerajewelKS | stew: you still there? |
| 00:00.34 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 00:00.34 | kjm | relicc : He wants to learn why they do evil things....best way is from the mouth of Sauron himself |
| 00:00.44 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: that's what i'd do actually |
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| 00:00.58 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: my parents use thunderbird actually |
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| 00:01.08 | antgel_ | sbou: if you know what the tools are, perhaps you can get them on a floppy and install them from that? |
| 00:01.08 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I'm sending the same email to two different copies of Outlook 2003 and one has no CRs anywhere, the other has double the normal number |
| 00:01.09 | kjm | I've got my mom using pine |
| 00:01.14 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: totally random rendering behaviour! |
| 00:01.16 | bsims | SerajewelKS: well I found it still crashes |
| 00:01.33 | Dewi | bsims: stability is bottom of my list of email complaints |
| 00:01.34 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: that's a windows thing.. not restricted to outlook. random behavior for no apparent reason! |
| 00:01.38 | antgel_ | Dewi: use the source. bwahahaha |
| 00:01.40 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: not really |
| 00:01.52 | eegore_ | that works thank you |
| 00:01.54 | SerajewelKS | bsims: then it's probably not related to previews |
| 00:01.54 | Dewi | antgel_: outlook doesn't let you view source. |
| 00:01.58 | N0S3 | stew: this have a bug, i wanted to know when it leaves the patch |
| 00:02.16 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: it's a joke... |
| 00:02.27 | bsims | SerajewelKS: it's a bug in one of the libs that arts depends on |
| 00:02.45 | SerajewelKS | bsims: weird... |
| 00:02.50 | SerajewelKS | bsims: is this on testing or unstable? |
| 00:03.00 | bsims | Debian Sid is undergoing a glib transition and the libs were compiled with a previous version |
| 00:03.01 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 00:03.06 | sbou | antgel_: i'm not exactly sure. "pon, plog and poff" are the commands that i use to deal with my dsl provider, but i have no idea if they have any dependencies |
| 00:03.28 | DevilChaos | i forgot to ask how i get usenet set up in evolution anyone? |
| 00:03.30 | antgel_ | sbou: do you have a debian box? |
| 00:03.37 | SerajewelKS | sbou: packages.debian.org/pppoe |
| 00:03.47 | Zolee | hello, I don't know if I am at the right place or not, but I wanted to ask how to configure a PVPGN server for my university campus |
| 00:03.58 | sbou | no... i think creating an extra floppy with pppoe is a great idea though |
| 00:04.05 | ansong | anyone know how to set the mouse over "selection" color in gnome/etch? currently it's a hideous white color that makes the selection impossible to read. |
| 00:04.07 | Zolee | my port's like 6112 are disabled |
| 00:04.07 | sbou | oh and it's actually one nice and cool package |
| 00:04.34 | DevilChaos | gravity : have you ever just pressed enter when it asks you if you want to erase any previous downloads i did last week and i was furious |
| 00:04.41 | SerajewelKS | sbou: it depends on 'ppp' aside from standard packages |
| 00:04.51 | gravity | DevilChaos: Huh? |
| 00:04.56 | azeem | sbou: do you have USB thumb drive? |
| 00:04.57 | Zolee | hlp pls |
| 00:05.07 | SerajewelKS | sbou: but 'ppp' depends on a few other things |
| 00:05.12 | azeem | DevilChaos: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:05.38 | SerajewelKS | sbou: best idea is to get both those packages, try dpkg -i with them in the install environment, and if there are dependency issues, get those and repeat =) |
| 00:05.41 | sbou | azeem: i would say my iPod is one, but i have no idea how to use it with linux yet |
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| 00:05.45 | DevilChaos | gravity : sorry the question dselect asks at the end of install of packages read your statement wrong |
| 00:05.55 | FallOnMe | !find pvpgn |
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| 00:06.00 | dpkg | pvpgn: (Gaming server that emulates Battle.net(R)), section net, is optional. Version: 1.7.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 716 kB, Installed size: 2096 kB |
| 00:06.05 | sbou | SerajewelKS: unfortunately i'm using windows right now |
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| 00:06.08 | bsims | SerajewelKS: see bug 335658 |
| 00:06.16 | SerajewelKS | sbou: so? |
| 00:06.19 | [LV]z1ng3r | hi |
| 00:06.21 | SerajewelKS | sbou: windows got a floppy drive? |
| 00:06.27 | azeem | sbou: if you can put the netinst .iso on it and it gets detected as usb-storage device, it could work when you boot from a floppy |
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| 00:06.46 | DevilChaos | arg i need to setup usenet |
| 00:06.50 | sbou | yes at least i have a floppy... :-) |
| 00:07.00 | SerajewelKS | sbou: then load up the .deb files. you can do that on windows. |
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| 00:07.41 | [LV]z1ng3r | i made a big mistake, i just chown'ed /usr and /var with www-data :EEE |
| 00:07.43 | roler | does anyone know of a debian image that I can use to boot off of and rescue my linux partition? |
| 00:07.47 | SerajewelKS | on a related note, autofs is driving me nuts |
| 00:07.53 | [LV]z1ng3r | how can i get back my permissions |
| 00:07.54 | sbou | SerajewelsKS: great. is it possible to use .deb's even before the installation got "apt" up and working? |
| 00:07.55 | [LV]z1ng3r | ? |
| 00:07.58 | SerajewelKS | [LV]z1ng3r: recursive? |
| 00:08.01 | dondelelcaro | roler: any install cd can do that. |
| 00:08.05 | [LV]z1ng3r | yes |
| 00:08.05 | sbou | this is getting troublesome |
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| 00:08.07 | [LV]z1ng3r | :( |
| 00:08.12 | dondelelcaro | sbou: yes, use dpkg-deb or ar+tar or dpkg -i. |
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| 00:08.20 | SerajewelKS | sbou: well. i don't know about that. |
| 00:08.26 | N0S3 | i need use a msn client based on console , centericq not connect to server, tmsnc block at startup , another? |
| 00:08.29 | cddesjar | does anyone know if ff 1.5 will be backported for sarge? |
| 00:08.29 | SerajewelKS | sbou: apt uses dpkg afaik |
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| 00:08.41 | tarzeau | cddesjar: no |
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| 00:08.56 | antgel_ | cddesjar: someone might at some point |
| 00:08.56 | cddesjar | tarzeau: no you don't know...or no it won't? |
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| 00:09.05 | azeem | cddesjar: it will show up at backports.org at some point, I am sure |
| 00:09.07 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: there probably will be backports available for it, but it will never be in sarge. |
| 00:09.09 | roler | dondelelcaro; as thought I. However, the ones on debian.org detect your hard drive after you are booted, thus the root=/option does not work. |
| 00:09.15 | FallOnMe | [LV]z1ng3r: /usr is easy. chown -R root:root /usr . /var is... not that easy. |
| 00:09.24 | dondelelcaro | roler: doesn't matter; you can still mount and chroot. |
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| 00:10.04 | [LV]z1ng3r | :E |
| 00:10.06 | antgel_ | [LV]z1ng3r: what were you thinking? might be easiest to restore from backup |
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| 00:10.39 | cddesjar | if i want to install a tarball...i would tar xvzf package.tar.gz, then cd package, then ./configure, then make, then checkinstall...and would checkinstall create a debian package? |
| 00:10.41 | [LV]z1ng3r | this box was installed few days ago |
| 00:10.43 | [LV]z1ng3r | no backups :( |
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| 00:11.00 | antgel_ | [LV]z1ng3r: then you haven't lost much |
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| 00:11.06 | sonyman | I'm trying to install libqt3c102-mt as a dependency for k3b but apt tells me that libqt3c102-mt conflicts with kde |
| 00:11.34 | N0S3 | :( :'( |
| 00:11.37 | rellicc | ha |
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| 00:11.49 | SerajewelKS | brb (for anyone i'm assisting right now) |
| 00:11.50 | Rawplayer | RE |
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| 00:12.03 | eegore_ | I like to keep my system updated on a regular basis whenever possible |
| 00:12.12 | [LV]z1ng3r | antgel_ no, i have migrated about 200 users to this box from Das Windows - samba, mails and other things |
| 00:12.26 | [LV]z1ng3r | and black friday is coming to me... |
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| 00:13.10 | rellicc | 13th friday? |
| 00:13.32 | sbou | aw :( pppoe and ppp have way too many dependencies, downloading such a bunch of .debs is not the nicest method to install debian using only pppoe |
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| 00:13.59 | [LV]z1ng3r | for me yes, i suppose |
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| 00:14.27 | FallOnMe | [LV]z1ng3r: I'd say reinstall each and every package that has something in /var. Then take a look at dpkg-statoverride and fix those is they're not fixed yet. Then take care of stuff like user's mailboxes in /var/mail if you have them. Then everything else I haven't thought of. |
| 00:14.49 | roler | dondelelcaro; thanks, got it |
| 00:15.02 | sonyman | is it ok for my non-us apt repository to be "stable", yet my main repository be "testing"? |
| 00:15.20 | FallOnMe | [LV]z1ng3r: OR. backup all of the users' files, and reinstall. Cleaner and easier. |
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| 00:15.41 | [LV]z1ng3r | it's remote box |
| 00:15.50 | caravena | Hello |
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| 00:16.08 | [LV]z1ng3r | and it's 2:16 AM :/ |
| 00:16.14 | [LV]z1ng3r | sux |
| 00:16.14 | paulswm | sonyman: Are you using woody? |
| 00:16.19 | sonyman | etch |
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| 00:16.27 | [LV]z1ng3r | ok, thanks for advices |
| 00:16.31 | paulswm | !tell sonyman about non-us |
| 00:16.37 | obtix_ | .nick obtix |
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| 00:16.58 | sonyman | thanks a ton paulswm :-) |
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| 00:17.09 | paulswm | sonyman: You are most welcome :) |
| 00:17.33 | FallOnMe | [LV]z1ng3r: OR. do an exact installation on another machine and copy the permissions over the fubared one. |
| 00:17.59 | [bman] | hello. I subscribed to a few mailing lists on lists.d.o a few weeks ago. I was told 6 days after that in this channel that sometimes the server gets backlogged... should I try and subscribe again? |
| 00:18.02 | [LV]z1ng3r | that is what i am doing now |
| 00:18.49 | [LV]z1ng3r | i will install everything on my workstation all i have on that box and will check perms for all folders |
| 00:19.42 | paulswm | [bman]: I wouldn't know but here's a bit of trivia: you can subscribe to the usenet versions of the lists at gmane.org and still be able to post, and you wont get your mailbox filled :) |
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| 00:20.18 | sonyman | I'm trying to install k3b in etch but I'm getting "Package k3b has no installation candidate" |
| 00:20.20 | FallOnMe | [LV]z1ng3r: and their contents, yeah. Make a backup procedure when you fix it up. ;-) |
| 00:20.53 | [LV]z1ng3r | definetly! :) |
| 00:21.29 | [bman] | paulswm: hmm. I'll try again, and if it doesn't work, I'lll do that. |
| 00:22.29 | paulswm | sonyman: there's no package called k3b in etch - "apt-cache search k3b" shows k3b-i18n if that's what you need |
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| 00:23.22 | sonyman | paulswm, synaptic shows that as being localization files. From what you're telling me, there isn't a problem with my setup. Can you recommend an alternative program with similar functionality? |
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| 00:23.42 | kid | How many disks do I have to download to install Debian? |
| 00:23.54 | [bman] | sonyman: cdrecord ;) |
| 00:23.56 | quitte | why does gcc-4 need libc6-amd64-dev to be built? |
| 00:24.01 | paulswm | [bman]: If you do take the usenet route, though, it has to be at gmane.org, if you just subscribe to the group through your normal usenet provider, you won't be able to post |
| 00:24.12 | sonyman | [bman], I was referring to a GUI ;-) |
| 00:24.15 | [bman] | paulswm: ok |
| 00:24.25 | sonyman | [bman], or is that? |
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| 00:24.29 | [bman] | sonyman: I was just joking... but really. that's what I use |
| 00:24.37 | [bman] | sonyman: cli |
| 00:24.40 | sonyman | [bman], I'm not hardcore like you :-) |
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| 00:25.07 | [bman] | sonyman: well. cdrecord and cdrao |
| 00:25.20 | sonyman | [bman], thanks |
| 00:25.36 | paulswm | sonyman: I just use the command line, I'm a bit old fashioned :) |
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| 00:25.50 | sonyman | paulswm, I like my cd burning fancy |
| 00:26.06 | [bman] | sonyman: there is also xcdroast |
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| 00:26.18 | sonyman | [bman], is it any good? |
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| 00:26.31 | [bman] | idk. I don't like to use X |
| 00:26.42 | beardy | sonyman: k3b should be in etch, have you checked the bts to see what the reason is for it not being there? (/msg dpkg bts) |
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| 00:26.59 | xbmodder | [bman], can you have dual monitors without X? |
| 00:27.01 | paulswm | sonyman: apt-cache search cd burn |
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| 00:27.11 | [bman] | xbmodder: yea... ssh |
| 00:27.43 | kjm | how can you accomplish that with ssh? |
| 00:27.50 | [bman] | xbmodder: really. no. it isn't supported in the framebuffer interface. |
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| 00:28.11 | paulswm | sonyman: Or just burn, or just cd maybe, cd *and* burn doesn't cause xcdroast to show up although a few others do |
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| 00:28.35 | sonyman | paulswm, thank you. I'm looking at a healthy list of programs. |
| 00:28.36 | [bman] | kjm: [user@otherhost ~/] $ ssh user@my.um.desktop.com |
| 00:28.37 | kjm | if you can't span 2 screens with the framebuffer, how can you do it with ssh though? |
| 00:28.44 | sonyman | beardy, I'm looking at it as we speak. |
| 00:28.45 | Tortel | use backports to use k3b in etch |
| 00:28.46 | beardy | Isn't there one called gnomebaker? |
| 00:28.49 | paulswm | sonyman: Yeah, spoiled for choice :) |
| 00:29.00 | kjm | bman : i shall give it a try. |
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| 00:29.42 | paulswm | beardy: Yes, and there's also one called "gnomebust", which puts exactly the wrong visual in my head :P |
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| 00:30.40 | paulswm | beardy: No, it's gcombust, I just saw the "bust" part and my eyesight must have blurred, ha ha |
| 00:30.47 | [bman] | kjm: actually my roommate tells me that it is supported using mda with the matrox g450 |
| 00:31.41 | xbmodder | [bman], oh, :( thats kinda dumb. |
| 00:32.07 | [bman] | xbmodder: eh. matrox is a cool company.. just shitty 3d. |
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| 00:32.34 | rellicc | is matrox still alive? |
| 00:32.43 | [bman] | rellicc: yes. |
| 00:32.57 | sonyman | I tried gentoo for 2 days but found package installation to be ungodly slow. Debian fits just right. Heck, even the community is better :-) |
| 00:33.26 | xbmodder | lol |
| 00:33.37 | rellicc | [bman], I don't think so ;( |
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| 00:34.23 | [bman] | rellicc: they are really into the 2d graphics stuff, and it would seem from their site that they are also into imaging and video |
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| 00:34.26 | beardy | paulswm: Ok. Yeah, that happens sometimes :) |
| 00:34.37 | [bman] | rellicc: matrox.com |
| 00:34.37 | jmd_ | Does anyone know of a (simple) way of recording a window (or screen selection) to form an animation/movie? |
| 00:34.50 | [bman] | jmd_: vnc2swf |
| 00:34.53 | beardy | jmd_: In X? |
| 00:35.00 | cee | im running debian unstable, and trying to install kernel-2.6.14.. should i have modutils or module-init-tools ? |
| 00:35.03 | jmd_ | beardy, Yep in X |
| 00:35.15 | beardy | jmd_: What [bman] said. |
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| 00:36.12 | xidaux | What's the keybinding for on the fly switching between screen size/resolution in X ? |
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| 00:36.32 | xidaux | ctrl+alt+ |
| 00:36.35 | [bman] | jmd_: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ and check out: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/270 |
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| 00:36.39 | xidaux | ctrl+alt- |
| 00:36.43 | xidaux | nevermind I figured it out |
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| 00:37.02 | sonyman | Another problem :-( -- I'm trying to install nvidia drivers and I get an error after executing the "m-a auto-install nvidia" command: "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed" |
| 00:37.54 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: xvidcap may also be useful |
| 00:38.12 | jmd_ | bman: Can it only do swf? I'd prefer to have ogg or mng or something. |
| 00:38.25 | beardy | jmd_: ogg is audio.. |
| 00:38.32 | [bman] | jmd_: well. it is vnc2swf... |
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| 00:39.17 | Technel | Is there a net install disk for debian-testing? |
| 00:39.30 | jmd_ | beardy, I thought ogg was a multiplex container for any streamable content. Perhaps you're thinking of vorbis (which are often confused). |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | Technel: yes, but you're probably better off using the stable installer, and upgrading. |
| 00:40.05 | cee | when i try to run "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14ce 2.6.14ce", it says "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: module-init-tools >= 0.9.13 is required".. and i have module-init-tools_3.2-pre9-4_i386.deb installed.. |
| 00:40.12 | Technel | dondelelcaro, Well I already have -stable installed... |
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| 00:40.21 | dondelelcaro | Technel: then upgrade... |
| 00:40.36 | Technel | dondelelcaro, I am guessing there is a manual for this? |
| 00:40.51 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: tell Technel -about stable->testing |
| 00:41.13 | Technel | dondelelcaro, Thanks |
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| 00:42.15 | [bman] | jmd_: well. ogg is opensource, write vnc2ogg (or would it be vnc2theora) |
| 00:42.17 | orangey | hey all! |
| 00:42.26 | rellicc | hey |
| 00:42.30 | orangey | what's the preferred method of internet connection sharing nowadays? |
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| 00:42.50 | [bman] | orangey: nat with iptables |
| 00:42.59 | toogreen | is it safe to apt-get remove php4 then apt-get install php5 ?? |
| 00:43.00 | orangey | I've been using shorewall till now, but I'm wondering if something more elegant has come along. |
| 00:43.01 | jmd_ | orangey, Peferred by whom? |
| 00:43.04 | orangey | [bman]: riiight : ) |
| 00:43.13 | orangey | jmd_: by users like me : ) |
| 00:43.22 | kjm | toogreen - apt-get install php5 should remove 4 for you. |
| 00:43.23 | Epod69 | hey, what command finds out what process is using a certain file, like how would i find out what process is using /dev/hdc |
| 00:43.32 | orangey | for example, it's hard to do bandwidth throttling with shorewall. |
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| 00:43.42 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: lsof or fuser |
| 00:43.46 | orangey | or at least it was on my old setup.. |
| 00:44.03 | [bman] | orangey: we use tc (from the iproute package) and packet marking with iptables. see lartc.org |
| 00:44.03 | beardy | dpkg: vnc2swf is <reply> vnc2swf is a cross-platform screen recording tool. It's not in Debian (yet?). There is two versions available, a Python and a C version. See http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/270 |
| 00:44.03 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 00:44.13 | [LV]z1ng3r | ok, dns is up :) |
| 00:44.14 | Epod69 | dondelelcaro, cool thanks |
| 00:44.39 | jmd_ | orangey, Well I don't exactly know what you mean by "internet connection sharing". If you want to allow 2 or more machines to connect to backbone, then all you need is a hub. |
| 00:44.40 | Epod69 | does anyone else have problems when ever mounting the cd through kde and then your cant unmount it..? |
| 00:44.40 | beardy | !wiui |
| 00:44.40 | dpkg | What Is Using It? When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' to see which process and user that is using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 00:44.42 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: vnc2swf =~ s/There is/There are/ |
| 00:44.43 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 00:44.47 | beardy | also exists.. |
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| 00:44.56 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 00:44.59 | dondelelcaro | beardy: np |
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| 00:45.48 | orangey | jmd: for example, this machine is the server to many other machines / devices. eth0 -> internet via pppoe ; eth1 -> lan |
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| 00:46.07 | Epod69 | command famd keeps me from unmounting or ejecting my cdrom drive every time i access it through kde |
| 00:46.26 | [bman] | orangey: seriously. check out lartc.org. it will tell you all about that. |
| 00:46.28 | jmd_ | orangey: What do you mean it's "the server"? What services does it provide? |
| 00:46.38 | ttick | can anyone point me to a contemporary website with instructions on burning CD-Rs with a 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 00:47.41 | orangey | [bman]: It seems like lartc is good in terms of the "advanced" aspects, but not the "I don't want to spend all day" aspects : ) |
| 00:47.47 | eegore_ | has anyone played with RTlinux? |
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| 00:47.56 | [bman] | orangey: it also covers the basics: http://lartc.org/howto/ |
| 00:48.01 | dickins | hey there |
| 00:48.14 | jmd_ | eegore_, I've played with it, but only played. |
| 00:48.16 | orangey | [bman]: If I'm not thrilled by the complexity of shorewall, can you imagine this? |
| 00:48.45 | eegore_ | jmd_: what would you think of it in a real world control app |
| 00:48.56 | orangey | jmd_: Fair enough. I guess that's what I get for asking on #debian.. I want to "serve" things like ftp, NFS, CUPS, etc., locally. and also give them access to the internet.. |
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| 00:49.07 | [bman] | orangey: you ask for the way we do it, and you get an answer. i would provide you with some jazzy gui application, but it doesn't seem to exist yet. You should write one! |
| 00:49.08 | kjm | orangey - safely sharing an internet connection shouldn't be "easy"........to dangerous |
| 00:49.32 | orangey | [bman]: it sounds like shorewall is about the best balance I can find still.. |
| 00:49.34 | jmd_ | orangey, OK. I've you just want to use it as a gateway, then you don't need anything special. Just look at man iptables. |
| 00:49.38 | ansong | i'm having a problem installing k3b on testing/unstable: k3b depends on k3blibs, k3blibs and k3b both depend on libstdc++6 >= 4.0.2-4 but 4.0.2-2 is what can be installed |
| 00:49.43 | ansong | any ideas? |
| 00:49.52 | orangey | jmd_: Have you ever used shorewall? |
| 00:49.56 | jmd_ | eegore_, I prefer rtai, but that's just a personal preference. |
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| 00:50.06 | jmd_ | orangey, No. never heard of it. |
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| 00:50.20 | orangey | jmd_: It's significantly less masochistic than manually playing with iptables : ) |
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| 00:50.25 | eegore_ | jmd_: I was reading up on it and from what I have read, it has a different way of updating the memmory map |
| 00:50.29 | orangey | [bman]: at me? |
| 00:50.32 | orangey | : ) |
| 00:50.58 | fbi | ansong: k3b is currently uninstallable in testing (which should be obvious by reading that output) |
| 00:51.13 | jmd_ | orangey, Then don't do it manually. Create a script to do it automatically. |
| 00:51.18 | beardy | There are also lots of other "frontends" to iptables. |
| 00:51.29 | orangey | beardy: which is your favourite? |
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| 00:51.51 | orangey | jmd_: the fascinating thing is that somebody else has thought of it before, so I'm just going to mooch off of that person : ) |
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| 00:52.07 | beardy | orangey: I currently use firehol, and it works nice for me, so I haven't switched to something else. |
| 00:52.35 | orangey | beardy: I'll try it out.. any bw throttling capabilities? |
| 00:52.50 | jmd_ | orangey. I could send you the script I use if that would help. |
| 00:52.54 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 00:53.26 | orangey | jmd_: thanks for the offer.. I think we've got it covered.. |
| 00:53.29 | [bman] | orangey: I use ferm, tc, and the magic of bash |
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| 00:53.49 | jmd_ | eegore_, You could be right. I chose rtai primarily because it seemed to be better supported. That was some time ago, may have changed since. |
| 00:53.51 | beardy | orangey: I don't think there is at least. |
| 00:54.20 | Magical1492 | Could anyone give me a link to help me to get Debian sarge to recognize my D-Link DWL-520+ Wireless card so I can use it? |
| 00:55.32 | [bman] | Magical1492: I used google to find: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/DlinkCard |
| 00:55.47 | ansong | fbi, thank you captain obvious. i didn't know if it was a result of having certain unstable apps/libs pinned or not. |
| 00:56.26 | ansong | fbi, if it's just flat uninstallable, i'll just try again later. :) |
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| 00:57.32 | DarkViper | any one know of a ncurse ftp client :P |
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| 00:58.10 | [bman] | DarkViper: why not use ncftp? |
| 00:58.20 | FallOnMe | or lftp |
| 00:58.40 | DarkViper | will try. |
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| 00:59.06 | DarkViper | Prolbey should just intsall X and then use VNC :P |
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| 00:59.33 | [bman] | FallOnMe: no. it's not, but its *really* easy to use |
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| 01:00.10 | DarkViper | do they have auto mode swtiching? |
| 01:00.33 | [bman] | DarkViper: idk: ncftp.com |
| 01:00.39 | FallOnMe | [bman]: I think some time ago it was irc-client like, with a status and a command line. |
| 01:00.40 | DarkViper | k |
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| 01:01.18 | [bman] | FallOnMe: yea. I haven't used ncftp in so long, I had to apt-cache search ncftp to even remember the website |
| 01:01.33 | [bman] | hehehe |
| 01:01.39 | DarkViper | here goes :P (last time i used ftp.exe on WinXp :( not fun |
| 01:01.52 | dondelelcaro | just use lftp. You'll be glad you did. |
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| 01:02.18 | MikeH | does anyone know if dmraid can "detect" raid configurations, ie. if I have 2 "fake" raided drivers, dmraid -r shows the 2 drives.... |
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| 01:02.27 | FallOnMe | DarkViper: lftp has job control, per job bandwidth limiting, recursive put and get, and more. I don't even remember when I last used anything but "BINary" mode though, so it might not have automatic mode switching. |
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| 01:02.43 | MikeH | s/drivers/drives/ |
| 01:02.48 | DarkViper | k |
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| 01:04.34 | Magical1492 | bman: That didnt work, the site wouldnt load for me... |
| 01:04.36 | dondelelcaro | you almost never want to run anything but binary mode anyway |
| 01:05.00 | FallOnMe | Oh, and multiple-parallel-streams-get for your leeching pleasure. |
| 01:05.01 | dondelelcaro | trying to automatically switch line endings is almost always horribly broken |
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| 01:05.32 | DarkViper | bingo im in :p |
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| 01:06.03 | phogg | FallOnMe: but can lftp get the same file from multiple mirrors? |
| 01:06.25 | DarkViper | trafer now :P |
| 01:06.32 | FallOnMe | phogg: ohh, I don't know. Haven't seen that option. |
| 01:06.34 | cddesjar | howdy ya'll |
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| 01:07.09 | [bman] | phogg: just for sake of curiosity... why would you want to do that? |
| 01:07.31 | dondelelcaro | lftp is not bittorrent |
| 01:07.37 | [bman] | oh... nm |
| 01:07.51 | DarkViper | lol, meanwhile transfer complete time to see if it worked :P |
| 01:08.10 | dondelelcaro | (and rarely is getting one file from multiple servers using ftp a sane thing to do...) |
| 01:08.17 | FallOnMe | [bman]: because you have a gigabit link and you want to saturate your hard-disks? ;-) |
| 01:08.21 | DarkViper | yah it worked :p |
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| 01:08.35 | [bman] | DarkViper: excellent! |
| 01:08.36 | phogg | [bman]: use multiple mirrors and chunk a file for faster transfer |
| 01:08.37 | mango | hi, I am having a problem lately with my internet connection, some very frequent internet site are no more accessible. I am running a small wireless network with more than 4 pcs. none of the pcs are able to browse those sites like ebay.co.uk or ibank.co.uk as an example. as a router I am using a netgear adsl dg834g....can you help please |
| 01:08.45 | [bman] | phogg: gotcha. |
| 01:09.23 | smacnay | Are the 2.4.x kernels supporting some of the 2.6 kernel additions (pre-emptive, alsa built in, etc.)? |
| 01:09.23 | MikeH | how can I load dmraid? |
| 01:09.42 | FallOnMe | phogg: lftp can use a single mirror for that, and get banned! ;-) |
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| 01:09.53 | phogg | FallOnMe: well that's a no, then. |
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| 01:09.58 | [bman] | smacnay: yes. but you need to search for packages: apt-cache search kernel-patch |
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| 01:10.24 | [bman] | s/packages/patches/ |
| 01:10.33 | phogg | mango: coulkd be your DNS isn't set up correctly. Can you look up the IP addresses for those domains? |
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| 01:11.11 | klock | clear |
| 01:11.15 | bsims | ok I tried the new libc6 and now kdedesktop sigsevs no problem says I I'll downgrade it back still no joy, I did a init to 1 and then back no joy any ideas? |
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| 01:11.43 | smacnay | [bman]: thanks |
| 01:11.45 | dondelelcaro | bsims: you downgraded libc6? |
| 01:11.47 | magyar | is there a way to patch a one .tar.bz2 file with .bz2 file without unpacking? |
| 01:11.49 | [bman] | smacnay: np |
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| 01:12.03 | bsims | dondelelcaro: yeah nothing complained everything else works |
| 01:12.08 | jmd_ | magyar: No. |
| 01:12.17 | dondelelcaro | bsims: and you ran ldconfig at some point in time? |
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| 01:12.22 | MikeH | hrm, am I being stupid, whats the -t for ntfs with mount? I thought it was ntfs? |
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| 01:12.24 | bucky | !seen greycat |
| 01:12.25 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 2d 7h 43m 26s ago, saying: 'yuck. UTF-8.'. |
| 01:12.32 | bsims | not yet though I thought that would be handled in postinit |
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| 01:12.44 | magyar | jmd_, k |
| 01:12.46 | bsims | er post install |
| 01:12.48 | pbrook | MikeH: It is. |
| 01:13.00 | FallOnMe | bsims: remember: no support for downgrades. ;-) |
| 01:13.01 | jair | anyone here have used squid proxy server? |
| 01:13.09 | MikeH | pbrook, then it doesnt appear to work :| |
| 01:13.09 | bsims | FallOnMe: heh yeah yeah yeah |
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| 01:13.28 | MikeH | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs' |
| 01:13.30 | pbrook | MikeH: cat /proc/filesystems and/or modprobe ntfs |
| 01:13.37 | dondelelcaro | bsims: well, probably some sort of symbol conflict; dont have kde installed here, so can't say for certain what it is. |
| 01:13.59 | jair | I am trying to enter the #squid channel but looks heavy? |
| 01:14.04 | bsims | Ah I'll try ldconfig and then retry |
| 01:14.18 | MikeH | pbrook, doesnt exist in filesystems or as a module |
| 01:14.19 | MikeH | :| |
| 01:14.41 | bsims | exit |
| 01:14.49 | pbrook | MikeH: I'm guessing your kenrel doesn't support ntfs then. |
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| 01:15.10 | wang | ! |
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| 01:15.53 | MikeH | pbrook, its ok, I've found a package for the required module : |
| 01:16.18 | MikeH | im being naughty asking in here :o this is actually for a fedora machine :| |
| 01:16.42 | wang | ... |
| 01:16.48 | gravity | wtf |
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| 01:17.05 | wang | lol? |
| 01:17.11 | wang | or maybe wtf is more called for |
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| 01:17.38 | Kerr | i'm having trouble getting audio to work on an avi i'm playing, the audio is mpeg 2/3 .. any ideas? |
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| 01:19.16 | magyar | am given a source directory for a program and a patch file how do i patch it with "patch" command? |
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| 01:20.05 | dondelelcaro | magyar: patch -pN -i foofile; |
| 01:20.08 | Flamethrower | Umm... what's a good linux disk partition editor? |
| 01:20.16 | dondelelcaro | magyar: the N depends on what the patch and the directory layout looks like. |
| 01:20.20 | FallOnMe | Kerr: any avi or a particular one? What are you using to play it? |
| 01:21.07 | Flamethrower | Anyoen...? |
| 01:21.16 | [bman] | Flamethrower: fdisk, parted, for ppc you use amiga-fdisk... |
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| 01:22.06 | Kerr | FallOnMe: kaffeine-xine, any avi. |
| 01:22.08 | magyar | dondelelcaro, N being an "number"? |
| 01:22.22 | dondelelcaro | magyar: yes. |
| 01:22.41 | dondelelcaro | magyar: basically, it's the number of directories to strip from the patch; typical settings are 1 or 0 depending on the patch and where you apply it. |
| 01:23.03 | Flamethrower | How do I figure out what my hard drive is? Like... /dev/what? It's SATA, if that helps. |
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| 01:23.15 | dondelelcaro | Flamethrower: cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:23.19 | MikeH | how can I mount a filesystem (ntfs) to be accessable by a user? |
| 01:23.32 | dondelelcaro | !ro-ntfs |
| 01:23.33 | dpkg | i heard ro-ntfs is add umask=022 |
| 01:23.50 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: you run df |
| 01:23.54 | Flamethrower | Thx Don. |
| 01:23.57 | FallOnMe | Kerr: that's a KDE application? I don't have it, but check if your KDE sound server (aRts) is running. |
| 01:24.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, ro-ntfs is <reply> see read-ntfs |
| 01:24.06 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:24.08 | [bman] | or you can add the user option to the entry in fstab. |
| 01:24.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, ntfsro is <reply> see read-ntfs |
| 01:24.11 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:24.40 | cddesjar | dpkg is so obediant |
| 01:24.59 | FallOnMe | Kerr: do you have sound in other KDE apps, like amarok? |
| 01:25.02 | Flamethrower | The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 11119. |
| 01:25.02 | Flamethrower | There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, |
| 01:25.02 | Flamethrower | and could in certain setups cause problems with: |
| 01:25.02 | Flamethrower | 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) |
| 01:25.02 | Flamethrower | 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs |
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| 01:25.08 | cddesjar | oh no |
| 01:25.11 | cddesjar | paster!!!! |
| 01:25.29 | Flamethrower | :( |
| 01:25.30 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: fdisk? |
| 01:25.39 | Flamethrower | I hate how this doesn't let me paste it into one line. |
| 01:25.41 | Flamethrower | Yes, cddesjar. |
| 01:25.55 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: fdisk is nice |
| 01:26.22 | TwistedEmotions | !tell Flamethrower about paste |
| 01:26.42 | FallOnMe | Flamethrower: you probably can ignore that warning about cylinders > 1024 anyway. |
| 01:27.23 | Flamethrower | Thx, Fall. |
| 01:27.33 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: i always ignoring that warning to with no problem |
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| 01:27.40 | cddesjar | s ignore/ignoring |
| 01:27.44 | jordo23 | What is the default desktop for debian? |
| 01:27.52 | cddesjar | gnome |
| 01:28.07 | cddesjar | but if you do a desktop install it installs both gnome and kde |
| 01:28.16 | cddesjar | so you can choose at the gdm prompt |
| 01:28.20 | jordo23 | cddesjar: which one do you use when you have to? |
| 01:28.26 | Flamethrower | I have more love for KDE, as it works better with my cable modem for some reason. |
| 01:28.29 | cddesjar | jordo23: gnome |
| 01:28.34 | jordo23 | why? |
| 01:28.35 | Flamethrower | Everyone goes with gnome :/ |
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| 01:28.49 | TwistedEmotions | why 'have to'? |
| 01:28.55 | jordo23 | I have used KDE, and Gnome, but KDE seems way better. |
| 01:29.02 | TwistedEmotions | Why don't you just use a gui you like? |
| 01:29.03 | cddesjar | jordo23: i like it more...i used kde for a while...it's nice too...but it's more bloated |
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| 01:29.15 | cddesjar | jordo23: kde has more eye candy |
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| 01:29.17 | kadigibox | Does anyone know what package it is that has a random name generator? |
| 01:29.24 | crschmidt | If you're going to format a 300GB drive, which will store about 30GB of mp3s and about 270GB of movies... what filesystem do you use? |
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| 01:29.27 | cddesjar | jordo23: though gdesklets make gnome look amazing! |
| 01:29.35 | Flamethrower | Ok, is there a simple, graphicly-based partition table editor? |
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| 01:29.52 | FallOnMe | kadigibox: English names? |
| 01:29.59 | Elly | man |
| 01:30.01 | Elly | mplayer is slooooow |
| 01:30.06 | mathias64 | i have never figured out the benefit of installing gnome or kde. (or gdm or xdm for that matter) |
| 01:30.10 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: gparted |
| 01:30.16 | dadexter | cddesjar: superkaramba boots gdesklets out the door |
| 01:30.36 | cddesjar | dadexter: what's superkaramba? |
| 01:30.37 | Elly | mathias: one might want to, say |
| 01:30.38 | kadigibox | FallOnMe, I just remember it generates first, last name, and address |
| 01:30.38 | Elly | watch videos |
| 01:30.41 | cddesjar | dadexter: is it for gnome? |
| 01:30.47 | dadexter | mathias64: fully integrated desktop is nice for some people |
| 01:30.50 | dadexter | cddesjar: kde |
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| 01:31.00 | benjamindees | KDE has gotten better about the bloat. I run it on boxes with 128 MB. |
| 01:31.02 | dadexter | cddesjar: KDE's equivalent of gdesklet |
| 01:31.02 | cddesjar | dadexter: then i'd have to use kde ;) |
| 01:31.09 | dadexter | no |
| 01:31.11 | mathias64 | i can run mplayer just fine. i just never saw the point of an integrated desktop, i guess |
| 01:31.16 | dadexter | just like you can use gdesklets in KDE |
| 01:31.24 | cddesjar | dadexter: you know i never knew that |
| 01:31.35 | DevilChaos | someone help me with ftp problems im having trouble connecting to my multi media box |
| 01:31.37 | dadexter | but gdesklets doesn't have LiquidWeather :P |
| 01:31.45 | cddesjar | liquidweather? |
| 01:31.48 | dondelelcaro | crschmidt: doesn't really make a difference. Probably ext2, possibly ext3. |
| 01:31.57 | cddesjar | oh...i'm a weather junkie..do you have a link? |
| 01:32.08 | dadexter | cddesjar: awesome weather app for superkaramba... liquidweather.net me thinks |
| 01:32.09 | DevilChaos | i keep trying to connect with my user name and password but it wont let me connect |
| 01:32.25 | jordo23 | cddesjar: do you have any desklet recommendations? |
| 01:32.28 | Flamethrower | cddesjar: Where can I get gparted? I can't find it on apt-cache |
| 01:32.34 | crschmidt | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 01:32.48 | FallOnMe | kadigibox: Definitely not "mudnames". |
| 01:33.22 | cddesjar | jordo23: i like the application launcher for gdesklets...i forget what it's called but if you install the gdesklets package from the repos and you'll get a ton of options |
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| 01:33.35 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: maybe it's just called gpart? |
| 01:33.40 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:33.42 | kadigibox | FallOnMe, yep defenetly not that |
| 01:33.50 | Flamethrower | cddesjar: thx |
| 01:33.53 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: yes it's gpart |
| 01:33.56 | TwistedEmotions | Flamethrower: the cylinders warning REALLY isnt a problem... so unless you WANT to partition your drive you dont need to do all that |
| 01:34.25 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: twistEmo is right |
| 01:34.33 | Flamethrower | TwistedEmotions: I know. I'm having to shrink partitions to make room for another. |
| 01:34.34 | bureado | Hey everyone. Having problems with udev: Several devices seem to have 600 permissions (specially null, random and urandom) so I can't use anything as my normal user. Also, my pendrives aren't working (usb_storage loaded, positive messages in syslog) yet I wrote several different rules for them. Does anyone have any idea about this problems? |
| 01:35.02 | TwistedEmotions | Flamethrower: Ahh kk. Errr... when you were installing debian it should have already given you the option to do that.. |
| 01:35.20 | TwistedEmotions | Flamethrower: is this a new install or no? |
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| 01:35.30 | Flamethrower | Separate, new install. |
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| 01:35.41 | mathias64 | bureado: try running ``man chmod'' for the /dev permission problem |
| 01:35.42 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh kk. |
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| 01:36.06 | bureado | mathias64, Yes, I can solve this by setting new permissions, but they are not persistent. |
| 01:36.23 | fffffh | l |
| 01:36.30 | Flamethrower | The Debian installer's partition editor doesn't work right, it is for some reason only able to wipe and install onto exisiting partitions, and can't seem to resize them. |
| 01:36.45 | Elly | hmm |
| 01:36.48 | Elly | -ao sdl helps a bit |
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| 01:36.49 | TwistedEmotions | fffffh: good point. I like the way your thinking. |
| 01:36.53 | Elly | err, -vo sdl |
| 01:36.54 | dondelelcaro | Flamethrower: it can in some cases, but not all partitions can safely be resized. |
| 01:37.07 | mathias64 | bureado: when do the permissions change back? |
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| 01:37.21 | Flamethrower | I know, dondelelcaro. Only about 10gigs are taken up on this partition, and it's a 100gig part. |
| 01:37.23 | bureado | mathias64, Aditionally, it seems like a lot more devices have this problem and I can't check each of the 674. I did a chmod -R 666 on /dev (stupid desperate idea) and it was worse. |
| 01:37.25 | bureado | mathias64, On reboot. |
| 01:37.37 | jordo23 | cddesjar: Where by default do you launch gdesklets from gnome? |
| 01:37.37 | cddesjar | superkaramba isn't in the repositories is it? |
| 01:37.45 | SerajewelKS | Flamethrower: what kind of partition is it |
| 01:37.47 | TwistedEmotions | Flamethrower: normally... repatitioning... means wiping the drives as well ;( Or at least it's the safest way to go about it. |
| 01:38.01 | cddesjar | jordo23: maybe there is an application button in your menu or just type at a terminal gdesklets |
| 01:38.14 | cddesjar | jordo23: if you want them to start up automatically you'll have to add them to your sessions |
| 01:38.27 | Flamethrower | I can't wipe my windows partition, it's what I do my gaming on. I had to shrink it in order to make the one for the original install of debian, but that was a windows program that I can't find anymore. |
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| 01:38.35 | SerajewelKS | TwistedEmotions: heck yeah. it's safer to DELETE EVERYTHING than it is to move it. |
| 01:38.36 | TwistedEmotions | Does apt use port 80 to download? |
| 01:38.45 | TwistedEmotions | SerajewelKS: agreed. |
| 01:38.50 | SerajewelKS | Flamethrower: again: what kind of partition is it |
| 01:38.51 | bureado | TwistedEmotions, Using the http method, sure. |
| 01:38.56 | cddesjar | ntfsresize? |
| 01:39.13 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: vfat or ntfs? |
| 01:39.18 | TwistedEmotions | bureado: Ohhh... whoops. Forgot there were different methods... |
| 01:39.25 | [0xDEADBEEF] | TwistedEmotions: if your url in your /etc/apt/sources.list is an http server, then yes. But if it is an ftp server, then no. |
| 01:39.30 | SerajewelKS | Flamethrower: are you going to answer... ? |
| 01:39.45 | dondelelcaro | Flamethrower: if it's ntfs, ntfsresize should do it. I've done it before using the sarge installer. |
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| 01:39.52 | bureado | TwistedEmotions, Check out /usr/lib/apt/methods |
| 01:39.53 | mathias64 | bureado. hmm. on to the pen drives: do they show up in /proc/bus/usb/devices? |
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| 01:40.02 | cddesjar | yeah ntfsresize works pretty good and it's pretty easy to use |
| 01:40.07 | TwistedEmotions | I got it.. I just wasnt thinkinh is all ;) |
| 01:40.15 | TwistedEmotions | *or spelling |
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| 01:40.18 | Flamethrower | NTFS, cddesjar. I'm not shrinking the ntfs part. I want to shrink the one Debian is on. |
| 01:40.23 | benjamindees | http://www.sysresccd.org/ works extremely well for resizing NTFS partitions |
| 01:40.24 | Flamethrower | It's EXT3. |
| 01:40.25 | bureado | mathias64, Positive. Also on lsusb and on /sys/bus/usb/devices... |
| 01:40.29 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: ok |
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| 01:40.46 | cddesjar | Flamethrower: i've never shrunk a ext3 partition |
| 01:40.48 | mathias64 | bureado: ok. what do you want them to do that they don't do? |
| 01:41.10 | dondelelcaro | Flamethrower: oh, then use resize2fs. |
| 01:42.12 | Flamethrower | Is it obtainable through apt-get? |
| 01:42.17 | bureado | mathias64, To be recognized as plain ol' good /dev/sd? devices. Using sysfs, everytime I plugged in a pendrive, it said all the stuff about usb_storage plus "Attached scsi removable disk at sda..." |
| 01:42.28 | dondelelcaro | Flamethrower: it's in e2fsprogs. You probably already have it. |
| 01:42.48 | Flamethrower | How do I check? |
| 01:43.03 | cddesjar | dpkg -L e2fsprogs |
| 01:43.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching e2fsprogs |
| 01:43.10 | cddesjar | oops |
| 01:43.12 | crschmidt | Flamethrower: type "resize2fs" at a command line will probably suffice :) |
| 01:43.15 | Flamethrower | e2fsprogs is already the newest version. |
| 01:43.17 | Flamethrower | Ok, thx. |
| 01:43.49 | Flamethrower | Great, I dunno which partition is the debian one... |
| 01:43.51 | TwistedEmotions | fluxbox has taken up a new and interesting habit of opening of webpages using links instead of firefox when I click on hyperlinks... any ideas on how to change that? |
| 01:44.18 | mathias64 | bureado: have you looked at http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/ |
| 01:44.28 | mathias64 | oops i mean http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/usb_storage_on_debian.html |
| 01:44.30 | TwistedEmotions | #fluxbox? |
| 01:44.33 | bureado | mathias64, No. I'll take a look inmediately. Thanks. |
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| 01:44.43 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: no, that's /usr/bin/sensible-browser doing that. |
| 01:44.55 | mathias64 | the first link may point out something about the permissions the second claims to tell you how to set up pen drives with udev |
| 01:44.56 | jordo23 | cddesjar: I installed gdesklets through apt, and the data files, but nothing happens when I click the icon. Any ideas? |
| 01:45.20 | ale_lagrimas | metete un piko x la zorra |
| 01:45.22 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: what in the genuine funk is that? Errr... brb. let me check. |
| 01:45.26 | ale_lagrimas | eso ayudara |
| 01:45.30 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: it checks to see if DISPLAY is set, which it should be if you're using X, and calls /usr/bin/x-www-browser, if not, it calls /usr/bin/www-browser; if you know what you always want to do, set BROWSER. |
| 01:45.38 | gravity | !es |
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| 01:45.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:46.07 | cddesjar | jordo23: type gdesklets |
| 01:46.11 | cddesjar | jordo23: at terminal |
| 01:46.33 | cddesjar | jordo23: it should pop up with a list of options for different desklets you can choose |
| 01:46.37 | jordo23 | cddesjar: I did type gdesklets in a terminal, it said connecting to daemon, then connected, but no window launch. |
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| 01:47.02 | cddesjar | jordo23: oh do you have a gdesklets icon in your upper right corner of your screen? |
| 01:47.17 | cddesjar | jordo23: if you do click on it and click 'set up' or preferences or add or something like that |
| 01:47.19 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: Errrr... x-www-browser reads... #!/bin/sh links2 -g "$@" I change it to mozilla-firefox "$@"? |
| 01:47.37 | jordo23 | cddesjar: no icon. |
| 01:47.51 | cddesjar | jordo23: nothing anywhere? |
| 01:48.23 | cddesjar | jordo23: and you said you d/l the gdesklets-data package? |
| 01:48.48 | cddesjar | jordo23: i would think the icon would be by the date and time |
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| 01:49.23 | cddesjar | man is it cold out |
| 01:49.32 | jordo23 | cddesjar: Yeah, no Icon. It connects to the daemon fine, but no icon. |
| 01:50.03 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: thanks ; ) Works now... no more links -g.... I will miss it. |
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| 01:50.15 | cddesjar | jordo23: well if it doesn't pop up something or show an icon somewhere then that's a problem...are you opening it as a regular user or root? |
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| 01:50.52 | jordo23 | cddesjar: regular user. |
| 01:51.10 | cddesjar | jordo23: maybe try and see if it will start as root |
| 01:51.15 | [0xDEADBEEF] | cddesjar: yes. it is snowing here in tacoma,wa |
| 01:51.48 | cddesjar | yeah we've had snow here the last 3 days off and on |
| 01:51.56 | cddesjar | but no real accumulation |
| 01:52.03 | [0xDEADBEEF] | cddesjar: same here. |
| 01:52.05 | MikeH | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check <-- what does that mean? |
| 01:52.31 | cddesjar | yeah i'm in edmonton, alberta |
| 01:52.35 | cddesjar | but i am an american |
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| 01:53.27 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: uh... no, that means that you need to run update-alternatives --configure x-www-browser |
| 01:53.28 | cddesjar | jordo23: any luck? |
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| 01:53.33 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: randomly editing files like that is bad. |
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| 01:53.49 | dondelelcaro | s/configure/config/ |
| 01:54.04 | jordo23 | cddesjar: nope, no luck. |
| 01:54.36 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: since what you did was edit /usr/bin/links or elinks or whatever it is, not /usr/bin/x-www-browser. |
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| 01:54.43 | cddesjar | jordo23: i'm out of ideas...i'm sorry...keep tinkering maybe you'll get it to work...to bad you can't post a screen shot somewhere...it's real nice gnome eye candy |
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| 01:54.58 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: well then. you just made me look dumb. Now assuming I had already edited the file.. and it works... should I still run update-alternatives --configure x-www-browser and if so should I set the file back to its original settings before running command? |
| 01:55.18 | benjamindees | TwistedEmotions, what don said; /usr/bin/x-www-browser is a symlink |
| 01:55.25 | [LV]z1ng3r | how can i make this one? drwx-wx--T ? |
| 01:55.28 | [0xDEADBEEF] | man 8 update-alternatives |
| 01:55.28 | TwistedEmotions | funk |
| 01:55.41 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: yes (with --config), and yes, although the second part isn't that big of a deal if you're not going to ever use links. |
| 01:55.55 | TwistedEmotions | nano should warn me if a file is a symlink ;P |
| 01:55.59 | TwistedEmotions | okay thanks |
| 01:56.26 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: however, when you upgrade, that file will get replaced, which is why you want to configure it with update-alternatives... |
| 01:56.59 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh kk. Works now |
| 01:57.32 | cddesjar | dondelelcaro: are you an op? |
| 01:57.36 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: yes |
| 01:57.44 | cddesjar | dondelelcaro: ok...i thought you were :) |
| 01:57.58 | benjamindees | MikeH, look at the configure script and see |
| 01:57.58 | cddesjar | dondelelcaro: no real reason...just wondering |
| 01:58.45 | benjamindees | MikeH, but probably there isn't a '/lib/cpp' file |
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| 01:58.54 | cddesjar | where's abrotman? |
| 01:59.13 | TwistedEmotions | !seen abrotman |
| 01:59.14 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 13m 37s ago, saying: '!tell addNtoX about ttf'. |
| 01:59.30 | cddesjar | i see |
| 01:59.33 | Tortel | laaa |
| 01:59.36 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 01:59.37 | litage | any idea how big the security.debian.org repository is? |
| 01:59.46 | Tortel | big? |
| 01:59.55 | cddesjar | litage: why? |
| 01:59.55 | TwistedEmotions | litage: planning on downloading it all? |
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| 02:00.39 | corvax | im interested in making a .deb from a tar.bz2 source file |
| 02:00.51 | cddesjar | !tell corvax about checkinstall |
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| 02:01.14 | corvax | im rather new to this sort of thing so any pointers would be nice |
| 02:01.14 | [bman] | corvax: check out the debian-policy (also available as a deb: apt-get install debian-policy) |
| 02:01.30 | cddesjar | corvax: did you read that message i sent? |
| 02:01.42 | mathias64 | litage: download the Packages.gz, and have a perl script add up the sizes of all the debs |
| 02:02.03 | cddesjar | corvax: tar xjf package.tar.gz2 |
| 02:02.11 | cddesjar | corvax: cd package |
| 02:02.23 | cddesjar | corvax: ./configure |
| 02:02.27 | cddesjar | corvax: make |
| 02:02.29 | [bman] | cddesjar: not always |
| 02:02.31 | cddesjar | corvax: checkinstall |
| 02:02.41 | cddesjar | well that's the jist |
| 02:02.41 | corvax | yep |
| 02:02.44 | corvax | got it |
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| 02:02.45 | corvax | ty |
| 02:02.51 | cddesjar | no problem |
| 02:03.09 | [bman] | cddesjar: for instance try that with iptables. there isn't a configure script. |
| 02:03.13 | [bman] | ;) |
| 02:03.18 | cddesjar | ok...i agree |
| 02:03.25 | cddesjar | you might need to append the configure line for |
| 02:03.27 | cddesjar | sure |
| 02:03.28 | cddesjar | ;) |
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| 02:03.55 | mathias64 | The size I get for the main i386 security files is: 651173316 |
| 02:03.59 | cddesjar | maybe ./configure --prefx=/usr/local |
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| 02:04.43 | dusk | how can I add something to my modprobe.conf? (actually, my question is.. where is it) |
| 02:04.46 | cddesjar | damn christmas music |
| 02:04.53 | cddesjar | a whole month of this crap! |
| 02:05.14 | blindboygrunt | I'm so drunk right now |
| 02:05.24 | blindboygrunt | sharing is caring |
| 02:05.28 | cddesjar | blindboygrunt: nice...how's your typing ability |
| 02:05.39 | blindboygrunt | bad! |
| 02:05.45 | [bman] | dusk: /etc/modutils . edit files in there and run update-modules |
| 02:05.51 | blindboygrunt | tequilla is bad |
| 02:05.59 | blindboygrunt | is that spelt right? |
| 02:06.00 | cddesjar | blindboygrunt: i had a buddy as an undergrad who use to write these really bad emails when he was hammered |
| 02:06.10 | cddesjar | blindboygrunt: didn't have a clue what he was typing half the time |
| 02:06.14 | blindboygrunt | i am that person |
| 02:06.19 | cddesjar | blindboygrunt: matt? |
| 02:06.21 | blindboygrunt | ;p |
| 02:06.24 | blindboygrunt | LOL |
| 02:06.24 | cddesjar | blindboygrunt: long time no see |
| 02:06.32 | blindboygrunt | LOL x 2 |
| 02:06.33 | JoshH | heh, i love drinking and emailing |
| 02:06.38 | JoshH | or forum posting, etc |
| 02:06.47 | gravity | That's sick |
| 02:06.47 | blindboygrunt | thats wrong |
| 02:06.49 | dusk | [bman] im trying to get sound working in quake, and I want to add this line to modprobes.conf (although id ont think deb has one) options snd-via82xx dxs_support=4 |
| 02:06.57 | fbi | who the hell gets drunk and sits in front of their pc. |
| 02:07.02 | gravity | fbi: Right |
| 02:07.05 | dusk | people with no lives |
| 02:07.05 | fbi | that's odd. |
| 02:07.07 | cddesjar | fbi: ha ha ha |
| 02:07.09 | JoshH | nothing wrong with it |
| 02:07.09 | blindboygrunt | you see if i answered any questions know that woudlb be wrong |
| 02:07.15 | gravity | Sometimes I hop on after a long night of drinking, but that's another story |
| 02:07.16 | dusk | soon as I get sound working in quake3 im out to the pub |
| 02:07.20 | gravity | It's closer to drunk dialing at that point |
| 02:07.28 | JoshH | gravity: that's mainly what im talking about |
| 02:07.28 | [bman] | dusk: cd /etc/modultils; editor alsa |
| 02:07.34 | [bman] | update-modules |
| 02:07.36 | HighHopes | Hello! Since I tried to update wxPython with apt-get I'm getting errors whenever I use apt-get :( .. I wish I could repair apt-get database... :( using apt-get install -f nothing happens.. |
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| 02:07.53 | gravity | If I can get these fonts built and working I'll hit the booze tonight to celebrate though |
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| 02:08.01 | blindboygrunt | boooze |
| 02:08.08 | blindboygrunt | stress |
| 02:08.08 | [bman] | dusk: the files in modutils generate modules.conf |
| 02:08.11 | blindboygrunt | woman |
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| 02:08.24 | monteiro | anyone knows in bash how i call EOF (end of file) ? |
| 02:08.25 | dusk | [bman] okay.. there was nothing IN alsa-base tho, is that okay? |
| 02:08.33 | sonyman | can someone help me get my audigy 2 working in etch? |
| 02:08.35 | blindboygrunt | [bman]: just like momma used to do |
| 02:08.50 | [bman] | blindboygrunt: ? |
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| 02:09.05 | fbi | sonyman: etch's 2.6 kernel has the alsa driver for that soundcard built in |
| 02:09.06 | blindboygrunt | my mom was so fat she compiled debian |
| 02:09.14 | blindboygrunt | hehe |
| 02:09.15 | [bman] | hehe |
| 02:09.17 | blindboygrunt | lol |
| 02:09.21 | [bman] | dork |
| 02:09.27 | [bman] | screw you ola |
| 02:09.30 | blindboygrunt | my mom or me? |
| 02:09.36 | [bman] | lol |
| 02:09.44 | dusk | crap, that didnt work [bman], anyone know how to get sound working in quake3 (dont think it supports alsa), for a VIA chipset? (maudio audiophile 2496) |
| 02:09.50 | blindboygrunt | cos my mom works in a muizeum |
| 02:09.55 | sonyman | fbi, how can I switch to it in kmix? It only lists my motherboard's built-in sound |
| 02:10.07 | madradrone | dusk: then use alsa module + snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:10.09 | fbi | sonyman: alsaconf && alsamixer |
| 02:10.10 | sonyman | fbi, right now i'm sound-less |
| 02:10.20 | [bman] | blindboygrunt: sorry, thought you were my friend ola |
| 02:10.22 | [bman] | ;) |
| 02:10.29 | dusk | madradrone: err, where? |
| 02:10.31 | sonyman | fbi, alsaconf: command not found |
| 02:10.35 | dusk | <-- stupid newb |
| 02:10.36 | fbi | sonyman: su |
| 02:10.44 | sonyman | fbi, I did o' course |
| 02:10.45 | blindboygrunt | [bman]: thats ok - i could still be a friend to you |
| 02:10.50 | blindboygrunt | :P |
| 02:10.52 | benjamindees | dusk, /sbin/modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:10.54 | fbi | sonyman: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
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| 02:11.32 | toogreen | hey guys |
| 02:11.39 | M_Cheevy | afternoon ppl |
| 02:11.42 | dusk | hmm no, still doesnt work >< |
| 02:11.53 | [bman] | blindboygrunt: idk. don't remember your nick. |
| 02:12.01 | M_Cheevy | anyone whose played with dmraid on channel? |
| 02:12.13 | blindboygrunt | [bman]: fair enough - you made a new friend |
| 02:12.16 | toogreen | I'm on Debian sarge and I had php4 installed but I wanted to upgrade to php5 so I apt-get install php5 thinking it would replace php4.... Now it seems like php5 installed normally but when i run the phpinfo() it returns that its still running php4! Even after doing apt-get remove php4 |
| 02:12.24 | [bman] | blindboygrunt: :-D sweet |
| 02:12.28 | [bman] | I have friends!!! |
| 02:12.33 | [bman] | lol |
| 02:12.42 | blindboygrunt | [bman]: of course |
| 02:12.48 | gravity | Heh, orchid rocks |
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| 02:12.56 | blindboygrunt | [bman]: your mom will always love you |
| 02:13.00 | blindboygrunt | :P |
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| 02:13.09 | SerajewelKS | toogreen: you need to remove the apache module for 4 and install the apache module for 5 |
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| 02:13.15 | sonyman | fbi, what can I test sound with? |
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| 02:13.33 | fbi | sonyman: a media/video player ? |
| 02:13.40 | blindboygrunt | lol |
| 02:13.52 | sonyman | fbi, there is some sort of random sound command that will play static noise--i forget what it is |
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| 02:14.02 | [bman] | blindboygrunt: you speak as if you have been msg'ing me and getting my away messages... |
| 02:14.07 | M_Cheevy | sonyman: just avoid sony/bmg discs if you don't like rootkit ;) |
| 02:14.09 | SerajewelKS | sonyman: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp #? |
| 02:14.23 | secher | is it possible to install with jfs in 3.1R0a? |
| 02:14.31 | fbi | sonyman: i have no idea. see if something you will actually be using plays audio. |
| 02:14.36 | M_Cheevy | that would sound really interesting SerajewelKS |
| 02:14.38 | blindboygrunt | [bman]: sure - your last away message was "out for some mom lovin'" |
| 02:14.45 | [LV]z1ng3r | can anybody help me on setting this permission on folder? drwx-wx--T |
| 02:14.47 | [bman] | :/ |
| 02:14.53 | corvax | @!#$%%@ |
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| 02:15.04 | madradrone | yeah it would probably blow out your speakers :-P |
| 02:15.18 | M_Cheevy | corvax: it's okay, you can curse... nothing we ain't seen before |
| 02:15.21 | sfullenwider | Anyone know of something to d/l an entire directory using ftp and catinate all of the files into one file? |
| 02:15.35 | corvax | ubuntu is the biggest pice of shit im getting off my wifes laptop and going up to my REAL debian box |
| 02:15.47 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: wget -r, then use something like 'find -type f | xargs cat > foo' |
| 02:15.51 | toogreen | anyone has a clue how to remove php4 and use php5 instead? |
| 02:15.52 | blindboygrunt | corvax: why do you say that? |
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| 02:16.01 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: man wget |
| 02:16.05 | M_Cheevy | sfull: that's a function of the ftp server... or at least used to be.... some supported it, some didn't |
| 02:16.11 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: and xargs will fart if the filenames contain spaces |
| 02:16.15 | dondelelcaro | toogreen: apt-get install php5 php4- |
| 02:16.19 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: unless you do some special trick things |
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| 02:16.37 | dondelelcaro | (possibly with some libapache-mod-php4- or whatever as necessary) |
| 02:16.38 | secher | corvax: I tried it on my laptop for a few days.. <shudder> never again. |
| 02:16.39 | SerajewelKS | toogreen: i repeat: you need the APACHE MODULES |
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| 02:16.53 | M_Cheevy | sullen: if memory serves, back in the day you could request a directory with .tar appended and some of the better ftp sites would create a tarball for ya |
| 02:17.05 | blindboygrunt | i'm using debian buy i thoug ubuntu was good |
| 02:17.35 | M_Cheevy | isn't ubuntu loosely based on debian? |
| 02:17.36 | sonyman | SerajewelKS, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp or do I include the #? as well |
| 02:17.50 | blindboygrunt | yeah - that's wht i thiought |
| 02:18.00 | M_Cheevy | sonyman: you might not want to do that.... could blow the speakers.... turn them WAY down if you do |
| 02:18.03 | madradrone | sonyman: want to blow out your speakers??? |
| 02:18.22 | blindboygrunt | blowing you speakers - that's sick |
| 02:18.25 | sonyman | why would it blow them out, the volume is fairly low? |
| 02:18.35 | sonyman | err ignore the question mark |
| 02:18.39 | secher | blindboygrunt, because they've pulled a redhat, and made things very specific to ubuntu. Unless you're installing their "default" system, you had be ready for some really spotty usage. simple for instance: the man pages, whenever there's punctuation, I get ascii crap. |
| 02:18.39 | sonyman | that was a statement |
| 02:18.39 | blindboygrunt | sick, sick sick |
| 02:18.40 | M_Cheevy | sony: that's why I said, turn them WAY down |
| 02:18.43 | madradrone | sonyman: do you know what amp clipping is? it trashes speakers and that will create a lot of it... |
| 02:18.55 | sonyman | it still isn't outputting sound |
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| 02:19.04 | blindboygrunt | secher: thats sounds weird |
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| 02:19.13 | madradrone | why the fuck not use something like aplay, mpg123, or some *sane* method to test??? |
| 02:19.24 | amahbod | any java devs here? |
| 02:19.33 | blindboygrunt | secher: maybe deian spoils me |
| 02:19.37 | sonyman | ok it works now |
| 02:19.42 | M_Cheevy | amah: javascript, but hardly the same thing |
| 02:19.44 | secher | blindboygrunt, it is. there's several things that are wrong with it. I can't start firefox withot an error because I didn't install all of gnome. |
| 02:19.45 | amahbod | actually, does anyone here have experience with multicast? |
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| 02:19.58 | sonyman | can anyone help me get my MX700 fully working? |
| 02:19.58 | blindboygrunt | secher: that shit is wack |
| 02:20.13 | sonyman | fbi, thanks for the help with ALSA |
| 02:20.18 | amahbod | can multicast connections work across differnet subnets? |
| 02:20.37 | blindboygrunt | ahh nicotene |
| 02:20.37 | M_Cheevy | brb |
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| 02:20.42 | blindboygrunt | the goodness |
| 02:21.00 | secher | blindboygrunt, even though I did install of the dependencies listed for firefox, jsut did an apt-get install firefox and answered yes.. and it's broke. |
| 02:21.17 | blindboygrunt | secher: that is weird |
| 02:21.31 | blindboygrunt | secher: maybe you should install debian:P |
| 02:21.38 | amahbod | can multicast connections work across differnet subnets? |
| 02:21.53 | secher | anyway, back to Debian. Does the Stable installer support jfs? I've been reading up on the diff filesystems, and jfs seems the way to go currently. |
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| 02:22.18 | secher | blindboygrunt, Debian is my distro of choice, I just installed Ubuntu to see what the fuss was about. |
| 02:22.21 | sonyman | secher, oh? I hadn't found much information on jfs, but xfs came highly recommended. |
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| 02:22.36 | blindboygrunt | secher: fair play - i was interested too |
| 02:23.02 | blindboygrunt | brb - need to see a man about a dog |
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| 02:23.23 | secher | sonyman, Dunno, it seems they're both decent, and prolly better than ext3, but just the feel I get from the reading is that jfs is a little more... cohesive. |
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| 02:23.29 | blindboygrunt | whats the difference between parsley and pubic hair? |
| 02:23.32 | madradrone | blindboygrunt: do you know how weird that just sounded? |
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| 02:23.48 | secher | Dunno, what? |
| 02:23.58 | sonyman | secher, hmm, interesting. Ext3 is still old, but very compatible, so thats why I'm using for /boot. |
| 02:24.04 | blindboygrunt | nothing - you move both aside and carry on eating |
| 02:24.11 | secher | <grin> |
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| 02:24.37 | blindboygrunt | madradrone: i'm sorry - it's an englisg expression |
| 02:24.47 | blindboygrunt | madradrone: means you need a piss |
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| 02:24.55 | pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
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| 02:25.03 | foo | If I wanted to run a password protected proxy on 443 ... what stuff would you guys recommend? |
| 02:25.18 | secher | sonyman, Bah if it breaks, I have backups of /home, etc., etc.. so I'm not worried, just takes the time to reinstall. |
| 02:25.30 | ice_1963 | man i can't get the nvidia driver to install in kernel-image-2.6.12-k7 :0( |
| 02:25.49 | sonyman | secher, I doub't it will break, thats more of a reiser issue ;-) |
| 02:25.54 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 02:25.59 | SerajewelKS | right-click in firefox no longer works |
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| 02:26.01 | SerajewelKS | in the HTML view pane |
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| 02:26.18 | [bman] | foo: perdition |
| 02:26.21 | secher | sonyman, I've been warned away from reiser a couple of times. |
| 02:26.30 | secher | purgatory. |
| 02:26.38 | fbi | !ricerfs |
| 02:26.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 02:26.51 | secher | !reiserfs |
| 02:26.51 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 02:26.57 | sonyman | secher, I've never had any bad experiences with it, but I'll stick with something with a good track record |
| 02:27.00 | benjamindees | amahbod, I hope so, but I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 02:28.06 | amahbod | benjamindees, for example, i want to have a multicast server somewhere on the internet and a multicast client somewhere on the internet |
| 02:28.11 | amahbod | benjamindees, and i want them to talk |
| 02:28.23 | amahbod | benjamindees, so multicasting will allow them to talk? or is it only for subnets |
| 02:28.42 | aris | anyone uses kerberos here? |
| 02:28.48 | amahbod | benjamindees, if they can indeed talk, what should i set the multicat group addr to be? |
| 02:28.51 | [bman] | aris? |
| 02:28.59 | Diggity | anyone recommend the best way of backing up a server2003 (NTFS) patition with MBR using Linux tools? |
| 02:29.03 | benjamindees | amahbod, oh I don't think it's a viable "internet-wide" tech quite yet |
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| 02:29.54 | benjamindees | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast |
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| 02:30.07 | jbroome | Diggity: with or without taking the windows server down? |
| 02:30.12 | amahbod | benjamindees, so if i want to write like a gameserver, i should use individual sockets? |
| 02:30.24 | jmd_ | Why is gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg missing all the encoder elements ?? |
| 02:30.26 | secher | a comment for general consumption: last night I grabbed enlightenment 17 using the get_e.sh script, built and installed it. It's *SOOOOO* sweet. Lots of things don't work, or are flaky, but if you like E16, e17 is your game. |
| 02:30.59 | benjamindees | amahbod, if you're using it anywhere but a local LAN, yes |
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| 02:31.28 | sonyman | how can I give users rx permissions on both my cdroms? |
| 02:31.49 | cddesjar | sonyman: edit /etc/fstab and add those permissions? |
| 02:32.02 | sonyman | cddesjar, that should do it |
| 02:32.06 | [bman] | dpkg: tell aris -about ask |
| 02:32.25 | cddesjar | sonyman: i don't see why not ;) |
| 02:32.35 | sonyman | cddesjar, what should I add? |
| 02:32.47 | sonyman | cddesjar, like for /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:33.00 | sonyman | cddesjar, change ro to rx? |
| 02:33.07 | cddesjar | sonyman: add x next to the o or just change it to rx |
| 02:33.14 | sonyman | cddesjar, k |
| 02:33.30 | sonyman | cddesjar, do I have to reboot afterwards? |
| 02:33.38 | cddesjar | sonyman: shouldn't need to |
| 02:33.55 | benjamindees | that stands for read only |
| 02:34.01 | cddesjar | x? |
| 02:34.14 | benjamindees | hmm, don't mind me... |
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| 02:34.26 | fbi | there is no "rx" option for mount. it's rw. |
| 02:34.53 | secher | would not the correct way to be to make a group for cdrom, make cdrom owner of cdrom, and add users to group cdrom? |
| 02:34.56 | cddesjar | for humbling him |
| 02:34.59 | sonyman | fbi, do I have to reboot for programs to recognize the change? |
| 02:35.09 | cddesjar | sonyman: no |
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| 02:35.22 | fbi | sonyman: leave fstab alone. my fstab has ro for both my dvd devices, and i can burn fine. |
| 02:35.32 | sonyman | fbi, this is for cedega |
| 02:35.42 | secher | what's cedega? |
| 02:35.47 | sonyman | secher, winex |
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| 02:35.53 | cddesjar | !tell secher about cedega |
| 02:36.11 | sonyman | cddesjar, cedega is still complaining about permissions |
| 02:36.35 | cddesjar | sonyman: i'm not familiar with cedega...maybe someone else knows...or is there a cedega irc room? |
| 02:36.36 | benjamindees | change the permissions of the device |
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| 02:36.53 | M_Cheevy | rehi |
| 02:36.55 | sonyman | cddesjar, there is a channel. I'll ask there. Thanks for your help ;-) |
| 02:36.57 | benjamindees | I don't think Debian uses any fancy udev stuff (could be wrong) |
| 02:37.01 | secher | hire |
| 02:37.02 | cddesjar | no problem |
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| 02:37.23 | M_Cheevy | benjamin: not by default but it is an installable module... |
| 02:37.24 | secher | M_Cheevy, iheR |
| 02:37.25 | Diggity | jbroome: i can take the server out thats not a prob |
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| 02:37.43 | cddesjar | i want to install buzz |
| 02:38.06 | secher | cddesjar, then apt-get drink six-pack |
| 02:38.25 | ghatak | Hi, i am looking for a decent alarm clock which can give remiders and announce time, any suggestions? |
| 02:38.28 | cddesjar | ha ha ... no no debian buzz 1.1 |
| 02:38.56 | secher | cddesjar, I know, but it popped into my mind, so I typed it. thought it was at least amusing. |
| 02:38.58 | jbroome | Diggity: i'd reboot the server with a DSL/knoppix disk and SCP/rsync what you wanted to backup to another box |
| 02:39.06 | SerajewelKS | sonyman: i have cedega.. what's the problem? |
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| 02:39.22 | cddesjar | secher: it made me think for a second...so that's always good...thinking is important ;) |
| 02:39.31 | secher | ghatak: YOu know, I've been looking for the same for quite a while now, on and off, and not found anything satisfactory. |
| 02:39.45 | secher | cddesjar, <grin> |
| 02:39.46 | Diggity | jbroome: i want to create a full disk image |
| 02:39.48 | cddesjar | SerajewelKS: i think i sent sonyman off the a cedega room |
| 02:39.56 | SerajewelKS | cddesjar: yeah i saw |
| 02:39.57 | jbroome | Diggity: then dd it to another box. |
| 02:40.03 | SerajewelKS | cddesjar: just in case he gets the highlight |
| 02:40.15 | ghatak | hmm... |
| 02:40.29 | secher | I second ghatak's question. What is a good "alarm clock" type utility? |
| 02:40.42 | batbeak | cron? |
| 02:40.45 | gravity | I like using quodlibet with the alarm clock plugin |
| 02:40.49 | gravity | cron was my old standby though |
| 02:40.51 | M_Cheevy | anyone with software raid (aka "fakeraid") setups under sarge? |
| 02:41.14 | SerajewelKS | i'll be darned. how did i get a connection to azureus when i'm firewalled? O_o |
| 02:41.29 | gravity | SerajewelKS: You hacked yourself! :-) |
| 02:41.30 | Diggity | jbroome: dd will copy the mbr and not choke on bad blocks? |
| 02:41.44 | SerajewelKS | gravity: it's on a specific torrent though... |
| 02:41.51 | SerajewelKS | gravity: aside from the obvious error with your comment =) |
| 02:42.00 | jbroome | Diggity: dd will make an exact copy of whatever you're dding. I'm not sure about bad blocks though. worth a shot |
| 02:42.11 | benjamindees | ddrescue won't choke on bad blocks |
| 02:42.19 | SerajewelKS | Diggity: on bad blocks dd will quit with an I/O error |
| 02:42.36 | jbroome | dd'oh |
| 02:42.44 | [bman] | orchid: I must ask because I want to know why when you log in it shows "orchid (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid)"? are you running fingerd or are you authenticating with freenode? |
| 02:43.30 | M_Cheevy | was kinda curious about that myself orchid.. especially with your quit line referring to Birkenhead |
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| 02:44.00 | fbi | it's a cloak. read the freenode FAQ. |
| 02:44.04 | [bman] | anyone else could answer this, maybe I am using orchid's sign-on as an example. |
| 02:44.07 | gravity | M_Cheevy: The line is from a song |
| 02:44.08 | [bman] | fbi: thanks |
| 02:44.12 | SerajewelKS | gravity: but on a related note, i hope azureus implements TCP hole punching sometime soon. that would kick fat floppy butt. |
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| 02:44.17 | gravity | heh |
| 02:44.35 | jbroome | is "birkenhead" when a hippie gets oral? |
| 02:44.36 | orchid | [bman]: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 02:44.43 | M_Cheevy | gravity: ah, okay.. thought it was a reference to an auckland suburb... it was a stretch I know, but that's why I /whois'd to see if she was from an NZ domain |
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| 02:44.53 | [bman] | ;) thanks |
| 02:44.55 | orchid | gravity: yeah, The Smiths :) |
| 02:45.09 | M_Cheevy | jbroom: not sure if hippy is right, "granola" would be more accurate ;) |
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| 02:45.18 | jbroome | true |
| 02:45.26 | gravity | orchid: Smiths++ :-) |
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| 02:45.42 | mne | hi there ! does debian have any kind of special memory protection ? I am not able to read memory from other processes with tools like gdb. this works just fine on most non debian distros. |
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| 02:47.09 | M_Cheevy | KS = kansas? |
| 02:47.10 | aris | kerberos + samba + ldap ---> for windows auth... is this possible? |
| 02:47.52 | M_Cheevy | aris: have you thought of getting winblows to conform to standards? it does support kerberos authentication |
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| 02:48.19 | M_Cheevy | but then again that implies they didn't muck with that standard too |
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| 02:48.54 | batbeak | I just upgraded testing, and php4 just lost sqlite compatability. |
| 02:49.12 | [bman] | M_Cheevy: ...and they did. Wouldn't-ya-know |
| 02:49.24 | M_Cheevy | aris: mind you haven't even tried it myself so probably am talking out of my hat... |
| 02:49.31 | M_Cheevy | bman: somehow not surprising... |
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| 02:50.14 | M_Cheevy | gotta love microslop |
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| 02:50.50 | M_Cheevy | how a geek like that grew balls that big.... surprising really, Bill is hardly a shining example of testosterone |
| 02:51.22 | fbi | M_Cheevy: why you gotta be a player hater |
| 02:51.32 | fbi | he probably wipes his ass with 50 dollar bills |
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| 02:51.40 | M_Cheevy | kinda looks like he got quite a few swirlies in high school |
| 02:52.08 | M_Cheevy | fbi: wealth is hardly a measure of quality.. look at paris hilton for god's sake... |
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| 02:52.26 | fbi | what about her. i'd wreck that anorexic ho. |
| 02:52.35 | cddesjar | !player hater |
| 02:52.41 | M_Cheevy | wouldn't put my dick in that... don't know where it's been |
| 02:52.49 | cddesjar | fbi: you totally have to give dpkg an entry for player hater |
| 02:52.59 | fbi | that's what condoms are for. |
| 02:53.10 | fbi | nah i'd rather not, dpkg is filled with enough useless crap. |
| 02:53.12 | cddesjar | paris hilton is pretty hot though |
| 02:53.22 | [bman] | aris: it's a real pain, if not sometimes (depending on the version of windows) impossible to setup K+S+L. |
| 02:53.33 | M_Cheevy | fbi: double up in case it breaks.... sorry man, cute ain't good enough... besides I'd have to listen to that god awful voice .... |
| 02:53.41 | fbi | i've added exactly one useless factoid, that makes fun of a typo abrotman constantly makes. |
| 02:53.52 | cddesjar | fbi: what is it? |
| 02:53.54 | M_Cheevy | fbi: what's the typo? |
| 02:53.58 | fbi | !deiban |
| 02:53.58 | dpkg | from memory, deiban is the japanese version of debian, tastes good with sake |
| 02:54.08 | fbi | he does that at least twice a day |
| 02:54.13 | cddesjar | ha ha |
| 02:54.16 | M_Cheevy | cute... tastes better with wasabi? |
| 02:54.19 | fbi | typind too fast or something |
| 02:54.25 | cddesjar | for the longest time i thought his name was a typo |
| 02:54.25 | M_Cheevy | typind? |
| 02:54.29 | fbi | s/ind/ing/g |
| 02:54.35 | M_Cheevy | ;) |
| 02:54.39 | M_Cheevy | speaking of typos ;) |
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| 02:54.48 | benjamindees | flite -t "`date +%A%B%e%l%M%p`" |
| 02:54.49 | fbi | err that would have replaced too much actually |
| 02:55.01 | fbi | benjamindees: huh? |
| 02:55.08 | M_Cheevy | actually, it was typing on irc got that got me up to 65wpm 97% accuracy |
| 02:55.20 | jordo23 | What's the default irc program for Gnome? |
| 02:55.20 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: she does have a pretty damn bad voice and is stupid as a damn brick |
| 02:55.27 | cddesjar | jordo23: there isn't one |
| 02:55.28 | M_Cheevy | made good money as a temp secretary |
| 02:55.38 | fbi | jordo23: irssi-text in a terminal. |
| 02:55.41 | cddesjar | jordo23: you could install xchat...i use irssi |
| 02:55.45 | cddesjar | !best irc client |
| 02:55.45 | dpkg | well, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 02:55.54 | fbi | + screen |
| 02:55.59 | cddesjar | jordo23: dpkg never lies |
| 02:56.00 | M_Cheevy | cddesjar: that's why i didn't bonk jersey girls... imagine that in your ear... oh my gaaaawd... I'm cooomink I'm coooomink! |
| 02:56.14 | jordo23 | cddesjar: I got gdesklets working, got any suggestions on desklets? |
| 02:56.15 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: ha ha ha...thats fucking hilarious |
| 02:56.36 | benjamindees | fbi, voice clock version 0.1 |
| 02:56.39 | cddesjar | jordo23: nice...there is an application launcher i think that's pretty sweet...it looks like the mac os x app launcher |
| 02:56.57 | cddesjar | jordo23: also the weather applet is pretty cool..if it has your damn town |
| 02:56.59 | fbi | benjamindees: that's nice, but in here it looks like hieroglyphics. |
| 02:57.12 | jordo23 | cddesjar: where is the best place to get desklets? |
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| 02:57.19 | M_Cheevy | like I said cddesjar, merely cute don't cut it anymore... after 20 yrs of bonkin' my standards have gone up ;) |
| 02:57.36 | cddesjar | jordo23: a lot of the best gdesklets come with that extra gdesklets package |
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| 02:57.48 | cddesjar | jordo23: otherwise you could google gdesklets |
| 02:57.51 | fbi | you need gdesklets-data also if you plan on using it for anything |
| 02:57.56 | [bman] | aris: I say it is a pain, because I don't have a copy of windows2003 server so that I can mimic how AD works. If you have a copy of W2k3, then you should `ldapsearch' it and figure out how it works, and test with windows2k and xp. |
| 02:58.05 | jordo23 | fbi: do you use Gnome? |
| 02:58.15 | cddesjar | i'm coomink..that's fucking hilariouis |
| 02:58.18 | [bman] | s/how it works/how it is setup/ |
| 02:58.19 | fbi | jordo23: no, but gdesklets work in window managers also |
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| 02:58.31 | M_Cheevy | mind you the first 5 yrs... well, like the joke goes.. what do a fat lady and moped have in common? they're both fun to ride but you don't want your friends to see you on either...... |
| 02:58.39 | angler_ | anyone know why my "pencil eraser" mouse isn't working in kde? Using /dev/psaux currently... |
| 02:58.53 | fbi | angler_: you mean clit mouse. |
| 02:59.01 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: it's true and i really hope there aren't any ladies in here...not that i ever think any come in here |
| 02:59.05 | angler_ | fbi sure :) |
| 02:59.21 | aris | bman: any suggestion? i want a single sign-on system for windows client |
| 02:59.30 | fbi | angler_: /dev/input/mice _should_ be picking that up |
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| 02:59.49 | dusk | which version of SDL should I install? |
| 02:59.51 | [bman] | aris: my suggestion is my previous msg. |
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| 03:00.33 | M_Cheevy | cddesjar: quoting a joke doesn't mean i support it.. but let's just say, some of the girls I went out with then I wouldn't want people to know about now.... there were a couple "trailer-park trash in country club clothing" girls I dated.... |
| 03:00.40 | Gashad | Hi. I'm running Debian Etch. I want to use standard latex & pdflatex... but I couldn't find either package with apt-cache search.... what am I missing/what should I look for? |
| 03:00.43 | angler_ | fbi nope... i was using wmaker with psaux and now using kde and it's not working |
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| 03:00.55 | gravity | Gashad: tetex |
| 03:00.56 | fbi | angler_: but it works in wmaker? |
| 03:01.02 | [bman] | aris: I've gotten it to work for cisco routers, linux, freebsd, etc... but everyone in my office agreed that windows was out of the question. |
| 03:01.03 | Gashad | Gravity: thx, I'll give it a shot |
| 03:01.11 | gravity | Gashad: Good luck |
| 03:01.23 | M_Cheevy | what's the buzz with windowmaker? it's an add on docking panel and not a window manager right? |
| 03:01.34 | gravity | M_Cheevy: No, it's a window manager |
| 03:01.41 | gravity | And a very good one at that |
| 03:02.04 | angler_ | fbi it was... did a dist upgrade to sarge from woody and removed wmaker and put in kde |
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| 03:02.18 | M_Cheevy | gravity: so many flavours..... when I started there were 3 or 4.. fvwm, tvm, and a couple lame-os |
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| 03:02.22 | fbi | uh, upgraded from sarge to woody, eh? |
| 03:02.25 | [bman] | windowmaker is the window manager of choice for gnustep. |
| 03:02.27 | gravity | M_Cheevy: When did you start? |
| 03:02.34 | angler_ | fbi no from woody to sarge |
| 03:02.44 | M_Cheevy | gravity: Slackware 1, kernel version 0.0.99 |
| 03:02.46 | fbi | angler_: what sarge kernel |
| 03:02.46 | dondelelcaro | ah... widowmaker |
| 03:02.55 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 03:02.56 | M_Cheevy | heya dondelelcaro |
| 03:03.06 | angler_ | fbi installed 2.6.12 from testing |
| 03:03.10 | M_Cheevy | gravity: old fart |
| 03:03.22 | fbi | angler_: so you're on a woody to sarge upgrade, with a testing kernel. |
| 03:03.36 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:03.38 | fbi | and you wonder why your mouse doesn't work |
| 03:03.41 | angler_ | fbi yes... ive always ran mixed systems |
| 03:03.43 | gravity | Yeah, I was going to say... wmaker has been around for a long while |
| 03:03.55 | angler_ | fbi mixed systems have always worked |
| 03:04.17 | fbi | i think you'll find varied opinions on that one. |
| 03:04.23 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 03:04.26 | M_Cheevy | gravity: but still challenging myself... now instead of the joys of manually creating xconfig I decided to get sarge to work on a SATA RAID 0 array (fakeraid ie software driver needed not all handled by hardware) |
| 03:04.31 | fbi | i never mix shit. but then again, my desktops are all stable as hell. |
| 03:04.37 | angler_ | fbi actually 2.6.8 kernel was broke and would not load because of some issue with yenta |
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| 03:04.43 | gravity | M_Cheevy: Cool. :-) |
| 03:04.55 | benjamindees | version 0.2: flite -t "`date +%A%t%B%e%l%M%p`" |
| 03:04.58 | fbi | angler_: i've never ran an etch kernel without upgrading the entire system. |
| 03:05.04 | ton | i have configure ap-get install ppp and i have pppconfig it, could i dial ? |
| 03:05.14 | M_Cheevy | gravity: not cool yet... still got all my hair but in danger of going bald from tearing it out |
| 03:05.18 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:05.20 | ton | how can i dial ? |
| 03:05.33 | M_Cheevy | atdt 555-1212 |
| 03:05.35 | dusk | so is it bad to backport a bunch of dev libs from sid? :D |
| 03:05.36 | angler_ | fbi i have on many systems... I'm pretty positive this isn't why the mouse isn't working either |
| 03:05.53 | ton | which is the command to dial using ppp ? |
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| 03:06.45 | M_Cheevy | ton: there is this really fine manual on ppp called "The ppp HOWTO" |
| 03:06.45 | M_Cheevy | ton: might find it still on the Linux Documentation Project |
| 03:06.48 | crn | what is debian's preferred imap capable email client? |
| 03:07.15 | M_Cheevy | the LDP is still going right? |
| 03:07.27 | liable | ton: pon and poff usually. |
| 03:07.28 | mathias64 | crn: there is none. use whatever you want. telnet works in a pinch. |
| 03:07.43 | crn | mathias64, thanks |
| 03:07.55 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 03:08.05 | tengulre | how to buiding a .deb package?? |
| 03:08.07 | M_Cheevy | liable: they still including the pppconfig script in the package? |
| 03:08.26 | mathias64 | tengulre: which deb package? a native one, or a random tarball you found? |
| 03:08.27 | M_Cheevy | tengulre: apt-get install packagename.deb |
| 03:08.35 | liable | M_Cheevy: yep. |
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| 03:08.43 | fbi | angler_: open a terminal while in kde and run "cat /dev/psaux" then move the mouse around |
| 03:09.08 | cddesjar | tengulre: checkinstall |
| 03:09.14 | M_Cheevy | ton: pppconfig used to be pretty good back in the day, imagine if it's been maintained it's even better now. it's included in the ppp package |
| 03:09.52 | M_Cheevy | ton: but really, do read the HOWTO on ppp... it will help you understand the prompts before you get there. |
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| 03:10.50 | M_Cheevy | liable: I take it standard debian kernels include module support for ppp by default still? |
| 03:11.33 | liable | M_Cheevy: heh, isnt there anything they dont? :) |
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| 03:11.57 | M_Cheevy | liable: no shit... nice way to create driver conflicts if you're not careful |
| 03:12.11 | M_Cheevy | liable: being old school I still prefer a mean lean custom kernel |
| 03:12.19 | dpupp | \msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:12.26 | dondelelcaro | they're modules. The default kernel is fairly small. |
| 03:12.30 | M_Cheevy | 1 gig of ram and I'm still picking nits over a couple of k |
| 03:12.36 | dondelelcaro | modules you don't load don't matter. |
| 03:12.47 | dondelelcaro | (unless you care about diskspace) |
| 03:12.53 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: overhead for hooks.... |
| 03:12.54 | angler_ | fbi strace cat /dev/psaux does not output anything while trying to move the mouse |
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| 03:12.57 | andax | did anyone try the new "marvell sata (sata_mv)" module in 2.6.14? |
| 03:13.07 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: I'm old school, I still remember coughing up $300 for 20mb |
| 03:13.10 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: so minimal it's not even worth thinking about it. |
| 03:13.23 | M_Cheevy | andax: depends what you're doing with it.. |
| 03:13.25 | fbi | angler_: why are you stracing it? jsut watch the terminal while you are cat'ing |
| 03:13.28 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: and most of those hooks are general anyway, so you'll be hard pressed not to have them. |
| 03:13.39 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: remember, I'm used to running linux and x in 4mb of ram |
| 03:14.11 | dpupp | is it safe to delete a file that ends in ~ ? for example: filename.txt~ |
| 03:14.19 | dondelelcaro | dpupp: yes. |
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| 03:14.28 | Brendon | hi all, openssh question. I'm securing openssh but i'm wondering about the sshd_config option called LoginGraceTime. Does that mean you can only try and login after a certain period of time? Then once that time is thru you can try again? |
| 03:14.32 | mathias64 | dpupp: almost certainly |
| 03:14.34 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: you sound almost as old as I am ;) |
| 03:14.43 | jmd_ | M_Cheevy, I remember when my deparment paid $30,000 for 90Mb |
| 03:14.43 | angler_ | fbi no output |
| 03:14.58 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: likely not, but then again, I've been using computers since I was very young. |
| 03:15.01 | andax | M_Cheevy: i'm just trying to insmod it :) 2.6.14-3 didnt compile 2.6.14-2 crashed after insmod 2.6.14 said "master won't flush" ... so i'm just asking if it works for anyone ... :) |
| 03:15.03 | M_Cheevy | jmd: network drive? scsi, right? |
| 03:15.06 | fbi | angler_: kill kde, start a wmaker session. do the same test |
| 03:15.06 | dpupp | i just recently switched to kde and im seeing them all over the place. |
| 03:15.26 | jmd_ | Just a "Winchester" drive. |
| 03:15.33 | dpupp | Thanks dondelecaro and Mathias64 |
| 03:15.34 | mathias64 | dpupp: they are probably backup file made by your editor. switch back to nano and they will go away |
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| 03:15.56 | M_Cheevy | andax: sorry dude, my comment was more related to my personal issue trying to set up debian on a sata-raid system |
| 03:16.13 | andax | :) |
| 03:16.24 | dpupp | kde really looks nice. im impressed. |
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| 03:16.41 | andax | dpupp: did kde improve nowadays? |
| 03:16.42 | cddesjar | dpupp: kde3.5? |
| 03:16.45 | M_Cheevy | andax: would have been easier to merely pull my fingernails out with pliers now I think |
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| 03:17.12 | dpupp | cddesjar, im not sure yet how to check version. im really new. Sorry i cant answer your q yet. |
| 03:17.15 | sfullenwider | any gui mail apps capable of reading an mbox file instead of using pop etc? |
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| 03:17.46 | cddesjar | dpupp: what are you running? debian sarge, etch, sid? |
| 03:17.51 | M_Cheevy | christ, almost 5pm.. g/f coming over in little more than an hour and i gotta do dishes, laundry, shower, shave, shampoo, lather, rinse, and repeat....... |
| 03:18.06 | dpupp | ubuntu 5.10 breezy. (i think someone said its debian based) |
| 03:18.13 | benjamindees | in any kde app, help -> about kde |
| 03:18.26 | M_Cheevy | dpupp: so it appears |
| 03:18.44 | cddesjar | dpupp: 3.4 then...unless you upgraded to 3.5 |
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| 03:19.00 | dpupp | cddesjar, 3.4.3 |
| 03:19.10 | cddesjar | dpupp: btw...don't ask ubuntu questions here...they're best answered at #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 03:19.24 | dpupp | cddesjar, i understand. :) |
| 03:19.42 | cddesjar | ;) |
| 03:19.49 | M_Cheevy | dpupp: channel empty there I take it? |
| 03:20.06 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: they usually have about 600 people there |
| 03:20.07 | dpupp | M_cheevy, not at all. incredibly packed. |
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| 03:20.44 | cddesjar | the nice thing about ubuntu is that it brings people to a debian based distro and away from those damn rpm based distros |
| 03:20.49 | M_Cheevy | well, gotta say, as irc chanels go, this one is rather friendly and helpful, some can downright stand offish... haven't been to #ubuntu yet though... |
| 03:20.52 | Vyrus001 | how can i tell if my amd chip is a k7 type ? |
| 03:21.06 | ttick | what's a good picture gallery organizer in the debian distro? |
| 03:21.06 | cheal | Vyrus001: which one is it? use wikipedia |
| 03:21.07 | cddesjar | suse, mandriva, redhat, fedora...yuck |
| 03:21.12 | minddog | i'm googling around for a sarge installer that has hpt37x2 module on the cd, so i can load the install straight onto raid |
| 03:21.16 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: they are way nicer in #ubuntu than here |
| 03:21.24 | mathias64 | vyrus: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:21.25 | minddog | anyone know if theres a popular one |
| 03:21.25 | dpupp | so much chaos its hard to follow a support question at #ubuntu they generally are helpful though once someone notices you. |
| 03:21.31 | Vyrus001 | cheal: septeron 2600 |
| 03:21.31 | andax | cddesjar: because apt has super cow powers... :) |
| 03:21.31 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: much more newbie friendly and less RTFM |
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| 03:21.37 | cddesjar | !moo |
| 03:21.37 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:21.40 | cheal | Vyrus001: sempron-s are k7 |
| 03:21.52 | Vyrus001 | cheal: cool... thanx |
| 03:22.07 | M_Cheevy | cddesjar: cool, good to know as it seems to have built in support for dmraid so I may be switching to it. I'm using a modified livecd of ubuntu to get my system up to where I can run debootstrap now |
| 03:22.11 | mathias64 | cddesjar: rtfm _is_ newbie friendly ... teach a man to rtfm and he can solve problems for the rest of his life ... |
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| 03:22.41 | cddesjar | mathias64: i agree..but most folks don't want to know how...and that's where ubuntu comes in |
| 03:22.51 | unixrox | hey all...is someone here running gnome with that metacity window manager in gnome??? I am having issues trying to install themes as well as others... |
| 03:23.01 | unixrox | i am running stable |
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| 03:23.29 | cddesjar | M_Cheevy: yeah ubuntu is nice enough...i do like debian better though even if it's a bit out of date for a desktop..but really whats the difference between gnome 2.8 and 2.12...i can't really tell |
| 03:23.47 | unixrox | is anyone else having troulbe installing themes under the gnome-theme-manager tool? |
| 03:23.56 | cddesjar | mathias64: how did you underline? |
| 03:24.01 | M_Cheevy | cddesjar: as an old command line head I don't get hung-up on window managers still do most of my stuff in xterm |
| 03:24.06 | sonyman | Can anyone help me configure my MX700 mouse? |
| 03:24.23 | mathias64 | I didn't, i just type underscores on both _sides_ and your client must have done the rest |
| 03:24.36 | cddesjar | mathias64: ok |
| 03:24.41 | cddesjar | irssi here |
| 03:24.50 | M_Cheevy | not to say I don't use some of the gui apps now and then.. like using a cd copier to clone windows 2003 server cds... ;) |
| 03:24.51 | mathias64 | xchat just shows the underscores |
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| 03:24.56 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 03:25.11 | cddesjar | hi |
| 03:25.18 | M_Cheevy | yo null |
| 03:25.26 | unixrox | hey all...is someone here running gnome with that metacity window manager in gnome running debian stable??? I am having issues trying to install themes as well as others... |
| 03:25.40 | cddesjar | unixrox: what's the problem |
| 03:25.40 | nullvoid | when I can get sasl2-bin package for my sid? I had waited for about one whole week to install this broken deps |
| 03:25.46 | cddesjar | unixrox: i'm running sarge with gnome |
| 03:25.48 | SerajewelKS | cddesjar: you can use *stars* too |
| 03:25.51 | M_Cheevy | null+void = noid... "avoid the noid"? nah, domino's makes lousy pizza... |
| 03:26.03 | cddesjar | SerajewelKS: i *see* |
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| 03:26.14 | cddesjar | SerajewelKS: i _*see*_ |
| 03:26.17 | SerajewelKS | cddesjar: afaik xchat does that too. but i'm on irssi as well. |
| 03:26.18 | cddesjar | oh sad |
| 03:26.20 | nullvoid | M_Cheevy: heh |
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| 03:26.46 | M_Cheevy | nullvoid: cheap joke I know, but what do you expect after 5 late nights and a tough work week ;) |
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| 03:27.01 | nullvoid | yeap I agreed |
| 03:27.03 | SerajewelKS | cddesjar: in fact, irssi in screen on another box, so i can resume my session from anywhere |
| 03:27.07 | M_Cheevy | nullvoid: I'll do better on monday I promise ;) |
| 03:27.10 | ttick | could someone please point me to good instructions on how to burn ATA CDs on the kernel 2.6.11? |
| 03:27.20 | unixrox | cddesjar: ok...you know how you can just drag and drop themes into the gnome-theme-manager window or install them from that app?...well its not installing any themes that I try to install, nor is it listing someof the newer gnome themes installed via apt..so i was wondering if it was brokedn |
| 03:27.22 | SerajewelKS | ttick: are those like CD-ROMs? |
| 03:27.25 | cddesjar | unixrox: i know when i was trying to install icons that it put them in the wrong folder |
| 03:27.32 | nullvoid | ttick: use fire |
| 03:27.32 | M_Cheevy | okaaaay, maybe I don't need to smoke anymore of this cone.... |
| 03:27.35 | ttick | SerajewelKS: yeah. |
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| 03:27.49 | cddesjar | unixrox: check /home/unixrox/.themes |
| 03:27.49 | SerajewelKS | ttick: except you plug the CDs into an ATA bus? |
| 03:27.50 | unixrox | the themes go into the .themes folder right? |
| 03:27.51 | LinuxNIT-laptop | where is the log for the information displayed during boot? |
| 03:27.53 | unixrox | i have |
| 03:27.57 | cddesjar | unixrox: are they there? |
| 03:27.57 | unixrox | the themes are there |
| 03:28.00 | unixrox | but dont get loaded |
| 03:28.06 | andax | LinuxNIT-laptop: type dmesg |
| 03:28.06 | unixrox | this is for a few desktops here |
| 03:28.09 | cheal | LinuxNIT-laptop: some of it is in /var/log/messages |
| 03:28.11 | unixrox | i dont know what i did wrong??? |
| 03:28.12 | ttick | SerajewelKS: yes, regular IDE rather than SCSI CDR burner. |
| 03:28.15 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 03:28.17 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thnaks |
| 03:28.18 | unixrox | been googleing all night fo rthis |
| 03:28.27 | SerajewelKS | ttick: yeah i was messing with you. there's no such thing as an "ATA CD" |
| 03:28.37 | cddesjar | unixrox: to place the tarballs there and locate them that way |
| 03:28.43 | SerajewelKS | ttick: there are ATA drives though =) |
| 03:28.46 | M_Cheevy | unixrox: don't you just hate experts-exchange.com ;) |
| 03:28.52 | cddesjar | unixrox: it seems to work alright for me |
| 03:28.55 | ttick | SerajewelKS: yeah, i figured you'd get what I meant. |
| 03:29.08 | M_Cheevy | exit stage right folks..... ciao |
| 03:29.14 | unixrox | cddesjar: so copy the tarballs there and then install them via the gnome-themes-manager tool? |
| 03:29.18 | SerajewelKS | ttick: enough to be sarcastic but not enough to answer your question |
| 03:29.19 | unixrox | or just leave the compressed |
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| 03:29.26 | unixrox | i do have experts exchange... |
| 03:29.27 | SerajewelKS | ttick: still in the age of IDE over here |
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| 03:29.28 | sonyman | how can I get my clock to display the correct time? Its 4 hours off. (UTC/localtime) |
| 03:29.33 | unixrox | thats why i never go ther |
| 03:29.38 | sonyman | make that 5 hours |
| 03:29.39 | SerajewelKS | unixrox: sure that's not expert sex change? |
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| 03:29.40 | cddesjar | unixrox: leave them compressed and place them in that folder..then navigate to that folder by the install themes button |
| 03:29.43 | ttick | SerajewelKS: yeah, me too. ATA = IDE, no? |
| 03:29.47 | cheal | sonyman: did you check tzconfig? |
| 03:29.53 | SerajewelKS | ttick: i dunno |
| 03:29.55 | unixrox | ok |
| 03:29.56 | cddesjar | unixrox: if they doesn't work try to uncompress them in that folder and see if that works |
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| 03:30.01 | unixrox | thank you |
| 03:30.02 | SerajewelKS | ttick: i don't pay attention to hardware detains |
| 03:30.03 | cddesjar | unixrox: otherwise i'm not sure what else to try |
| 03:30.04 | SerajewelKS | details too |
| 03:30.06 | cddesjar | no problem |
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| 03:30.08 | sonyman | cheal, I ran it, but I'm not exactly sure what to do in it--its set to EST |
| 03:30.09 | SerajewelKS | ttick: but SATA != IDE right? |
| 03:30.20 | unixrox | cddesjar: i will try that..brb...thanks for your suggestions |
| 03:30.21 | ttick | SerajewelKS: well, do you have cdrecord working on your IDE drive? in the 2.6.* kernel? |
| 03:30.27 | cddesjar | ok |
| 03:30.31 | ttick | SerajewelKS: yes, SATA != IDE |
| 03:30.32 | SerajewelKS | ttick: yes, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom |
| 03:30.42 | cddesjar | wow...i've been thanked like 5 times tonight...that's about 5 more times than i've ever been thanked |
| 03:30.44 | ttick | t SerajewelKS: which kernel version? |
| 03:30.52 | SerajewelKS | ttick: 2.6.8 |
| 03:30.53 | cheal | sonyman: ok...and you live in GMT-5? |
| 03:30.59 | sonyman | cheal, correct |
| 03:31.21 | cddesjar | sonyman: did you get your cedega thing fixed? |
| 03:31.29 | sonyman | cddesjar, yup |
| 03:31.34 | cddesjar | sonyman: cool |
| 03:31.49 | ttick | SerajewelKS: hmm. maybe somethings been fixed since last time I tried this. -scanbus actually detects my drive. Hmm. |
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| 03:32.09 | cheal | sonyman: what does $ date; return? |
| 03:32.11 | sonyman | cddesjar, runs like a charm--too bad I lost my DVD-RW with a bunch of HL2/CS:S steam files on it--now I have to redownload over 3gb! |
| 03:32.35 | sonyman | cheal, Thu Dec 1 17:32:23 EST 2005 |
| 03:32.41 | cddesjar | sonyman: ouch |
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| 03:33.42 | sonyman | cddesjar, my ISP must surely hate me. I've downloaded in excess of 50GB in the past week |
| 03:34.12 | dusk | hey, how can I "alt-tab" out of full screen games? |
| 03:34.34 | SerajewelKS | dusk: if the game provides it (e.g. bzflag has F4) use that. otherwise do what i do: run games in a new X session. |
| 03:34.46 | dusk | hmm |
| 03:34.49 | dusk | i like that idea |
| 03:34.50 | litage | how important is it to encrypt ntp traffic between ntp servers and your boxes?\ |
| 03:35.00 | sonyman | cheal, any suggestions or did I interrupt your deep thought? |
| 03:35.31 | jbroome | litage: not very |
| 03:35.34 | unixrox | cddesjar: man I dont know what is wrong...but it doesnt seem to work...i will try to hack it out...recheck the bug lists but thanks for your help anyways. have a wonderful day |
| 03:35.38 | dusk | serajewelKS: how do you start another x session? |
| 03:35.50 | [bman] | litage: why? |
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| 03:36.49 | jsz | hi, how do I get my ISA Soundblaster 16 to work? |
| 03:37.02 | jsz | modprbe sb fails and alsaconf doesn't detect it |
| 03:37.04 | SerajewelKS | dusk: xinit |
| 03:37.14 | jsz | modprobe sb |
| 03:37.23 | dusk | serajewelks: thx |
| 03:37.35 | litage | [bman]: it looks like openntpd doesn't use encryption, and ntp[d] is a pain to setup, and i' |
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| 03:37.55 | cheal | sonyman: are all the answers to question from # tzsetup -g; right? |
| 03:37.55 | litage | [bman]: and i'm not sure if ntp[d] actually encrypts traffic |
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| 03:38.15 | dusk | err, okay, I jsut installed quake3, and punkbuster changed the path in the quake3 script.. where is the quake script? and how can I find it myself? (sorta like which quake but for the SCRIPT) |
| 03:38.25 | sonyman | cheal, do you mean tzconfig? |
| 03:38.37 | [bman] | litage: no. well not unless you authenticate with an ssl certificate. are you afraid that someone will update their clock from yours? |
| 03:38.55 | cheal | sonyman: no, tzsetup |
| 03:39.00 | clump | sigh. I miss "apt" the old blootbot that used to be in this channel. |
| 03:39.07 | sonyman | cheal, "command not found" |
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| 03:39.36 | cheal | clump: what's wrong with dpkg? apt is just bloat :) |
| 03:39.57 | cheal | sonyman: hum, which release do you run? you're trying that as root, right? |
| 03:40.06 | sonyman | cheal, etch, and as root |
| 03:40.25 | clump | cheal well, nothing is wrong with dpkg so far, I just can't talk to him like I could "apt" ;) |
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| 03:41.15 | SerajewelKS | dusk: dunno about quake3 |
| 03:41.20 | jsz | hi, how do I get my ISA Soundblaster 16 to work? modprobe sb and alsaconfig fail to load it. |
| 03:41.28 | cheal | sonyman: ok, I'm aware that time setting stuff changed post-sarge, but I don't know what replaces tzsetup |
| 03:41.28 | cddesjar | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/57 |
| 03:41.36 | SerajewelKS | dusk: if it's in like the KDE menu, look there for the command |
| 03:41.49 | cddesjar | note under the photo of the poster of 'how to build a community' |
| 03:41.52 | sonyman | cheal, is there another way to do this? Such as manual config-file editing? |
| 03:41.55 | dusk | err no, i did it all command |
| 03:41.57 | benjamindees | jsz, add some options to the modprobe, like irq and i/o port |
| 03:42.03 | dusk | so i typed quake3 at console and it loaded |
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| 03:42.08 | dusk | now its looking for it in a different dir |
| 03:42.25 | cddesjar | the kubuntu developers says that he thinks the fact that debian wasn't in the top three for debian derivates at the linux new media awards is an insult |
| 03:42.36 | cddesjar | der...it causes it's for derivates not DEBIAN |
| 03:42.41 | jsz | wtf |
| 03:42.51 | jsz | how do I figure that shit out? |
| 03:43.00 | gravity | Well, the public perception is that Debian is old hat right now |
| 03:43.12 | gravity | So no one really cares about us |
| 03:43.17 | cheal | cddesjar: hehe |
| 03:43.20 | benjamindees | jsz, actually, what does 'lsmod|grep sb' say? |
| 03:43.21 | gravity | Except, of course, to derive from us |
| 03:43.24 | cddesjar | gravity: yay but debian is so cool |
| 03:43.43 | cheal | gravity: I heard debian has been excluded from that because it always won |
| 03:43.51 | cddesjar | cheal: i don't get what the point he is trying to make it...come on dude obviously debian couldn't be a debian derivate |
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| 03:44.00 | jsz | just usb |
| 03:44.08 | gravity | cheal: I'm sure ubuntu would have won this year. It's very much in the spotlight right now. |
| 03:44.15 | cddesjar | debian = big daddy! |
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| 03:44.44 | Magical1492 | Hi, does anyone know what the command is to change your current ethernet card driver? |
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| 03:44.47 | cheal | gravity: hehe, tell that to the award responsibles |
| 03:44.58 | cddesjar | Magical1492: modprobe |
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| 03:45.00 | cddesjar | ? |
| 03:45.04 | nemontemi | i don't see as a "fight" or a "war". ubuntu and debian are for different purposes. |
| 03:45.09 | gravity | cheal: I don't really care enough about it. Debian will keep doing its thing, the same way it always has |
| 03:45.12 | jsz | benjamindees: just usb-uhci and usb-core |
| 03:45.27 | gravity | nemontemi: Oh? How so? |
| 03:45.30 | cddesjar | gravity: debian's community is what it's all about and it's philosophy |
| 03:45.33 | Boukensya | hey guys... I am looking for a sata raid controller that works fine for debian without any problems |
| 03:45.44 | clump | is there a URL that can detail how to wrangle sources.list to run debian's "experimental" xorg packages? I am running Unstable. |
| 03:45.48 | [Cadet] | hfs |
| 03:45.50 | mathias64 | Magical1492: you could modprobe a new one and rmmod the old one. |
| 03:46.01 | cddesjar | btw...i never ment to start a debian-ubuntu war tonight |
| 03:46.10 | Boukensya | any reccomendations? (currently I have an ibm xserver and the sata raid on it doesn't look like it is working properly as it is picking it up as a logical drive) |
| 03:46.25 | gravity | clump: Check out wiki.debian.org. There should be a page about using experimental. |
| 03:46.28 | Magical1492 | hmm.. Is there a way to get back into the graphical installer? Because im getting a TON of error messages |
| 03:46.52 | clump | gravity thanks. |
| 03:46.57 | nemontemi | gravity: ubuntu was born to spread linux in the world, tunned to desktop users. debian don't deserves this place |
| 03:47.00 | gravity | clump: No problem. Let me know if they work for you. |
| 03:47.00 | cddesjar | i hope for debian's next release that the installer gets harder! |
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| 03:47.20 | jsz | hello??? |
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| 03:47.22 | gravity | nemontemi: Debian was very much born to spread linux in the world as well, or more specifically, free software |
| 03:47.25 | clump | gravity: will do, sir. I have a fullscreen DRI hang I wish to alleviate. |
| 03:47.35 | gravity | clump: Ouch. What card? |
| 03:47.45 | cheal | sonyman: apparently /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:47.57 | cddesjar | nemontemi: why are you trying to deride debian in a debian chat room? |
| 03:48.04 | cddesjar | nemontemi: are you stupid? |
| 03:48.08 | nemontemi | i am not, cddesjar |
| 03:48.19 | clump | gravity: ATI Radeon IGP 320M. A formerly unsupported card. |
| 03:48.19 | cddesjar | ) |
| 03:48.29 | sonyman | cheal, what should I set UTC to? yes or no? |
| 03:48.30 | benjamindees | jsz, something like 'modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5' |
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| 03:48.36 | gravity | cddesjar: That hangs? I have a 340M and it works fine... |
| 03:48.39 | gravity | clump: ^ |
| 03:48.46 | nemontemi | the linux community always sees linux distributions as concurrents, and they aren't |
| 03:48.47 | zorten | What would get would get someone more noticed. LPI Cert or RedHat Cert? I want the LPI cert but not worth the money if it won't be effective. |
| 03:48.52 | gravity | clump: Definitely try the experimental packages and tell me what you think |
| 03:49.01 | Magical1492 | Is there a list of compatable ethernet cards for Debian? |
| 03:49.10 | clump | gravity: annoyingly, GL apps work in windowed mode but will freeze my system with no log entries on fullscreen. |
| 03:49.15 | Magical1492 | Because apparantly generic Microsoft ones wont work... |
| 03:49.18 | nemontemi | what i mean, gravity, that debian is "lower level" than ubuntu |
| 03:49.20 | gravity | ouch |
| 03:49.29 | cddesjar | nemontemi: what?!? |
| 03:49.36 | cddesjar | lower level? |
| 03:49.36 | gravity | nemontemi: That doesn't make sense. It's basically in your brain. |
| 03:49.37 | clump | gravity: out of curiosity, are you an xorg dev for debian? |
| 03:49.40 | gravity | clump: Yes |
| 03:49.40 | cheal | sonyman: is your hardware clock set to UTC? |
| 03:49.57 | cheal | Magical1492: no |
| 03:49.58 | benjamindees | Magical1492, as in, built by Microsoft? |
| 03:49.58 | nemontemi | lower level in the programmer language, i mean |
| 03:50.05 | Magical1492 | yes |
| 03:50.05 | cddesjar | gravity: are you the reason i have xorg on sarge? if you are i would like to thank you |
| 03:50.06 | sonyman | cheal, what does windows use? Whatever that is, thats what I need since I *occasionally* dual boot |
| 03:50.09 | jsz | benjamindees: no luck :( |
| 03:50.12 | gravity | cddesjar: I am actually :-) |
| 03:50.14 | clump | gravity: well thanks for all the hard work over all this time. I've been quite happy with debian and X for ~5 years. |
| 03:50.40 | gravity | clump: Well, I've only been responsible for Xorg in Debian. None of the XFree86 stuff. That was mostly Branden |
| 03:50.41 | cheal | nemontemi: you don't seem to know Debian |
| 03:51.00 | gravity | nemontemi: Are you saying this because people choose to derive from Debian? |
| 03:51.04 | amd_goon | me thanks gravity too |
| 03:51.06 | cddesjar | gravity: well thank you!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:51.11 | gravity | :-) |
| 03:51.18 | cheal | sonyman: I don |
| 03:51.19 | gravity | You're all very welcome. Thank you for the compliments :-) |
| 03:51.21 | cheal | 't know |
| 03:51.40 | Magical1492 | Is there a list of compatable wireless cards for Debian? |
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| 03:51.46 | gravity | heh |
| 03:51.48 | cddesjar | he he he |
| 03:52.01 | gravity | cddesjar: I'm not really fielding too many bug reports until I get the modular packages finished |
| 03:52.13 | gravity | I'm being a bad maintainer in that regard, but they're the priority right now |
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| 03:52.27 | nemontemi | gravity: i am talking about ubuntu derived from debian, and what ubuntu represents doing this |
| 03:52.31 | clump | gravity: compliments are one thing, bravery in assuming X11 responsibility is another ;) |
| 03:52.34 | simpletron_ | hola |
| 03:52.46 | gravity | nemontemi: What happens when Debian derives from Ubuntu? Does that make Ubuntu lower-level than Debian? |
| 03:53.01 | nemontemi | ubuntu aren't derivable |
| 03:53.07 | gravity | Uh... wtf |
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| 03:53.14 | gravity | nemontemi: I personally derove from Ubuntu |
| 03:53.15 | numist | it makes them equal, but its very doubtful that debian would gain from ubuntu |
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| 03:53.25 | cddesjar | nemontemi: www.gnusolaris.org |
| 03:53.27 | gravity | nemontemi: The X.Org packages in Debian come from those in Ubuntu |
| 03:53.28 | str8edge | hey |
| 03:53.37 | cddesjar | nemontemi: a distro derived from ubuntu |
| 03:53.54 | gravity | I put a lot of work in to them, but they were ubuntu-based, which were in turn, debian-based |
| 03:54.07 | nemontemi | the packeges, not the distribution |
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| 03:54.14 | str8edge | my sound disappeared recently, any ideas? |
| 03:54.30 | minddog | is it easy to add a module onto a debian sarge cd and have it load up during installation? |
| 03:54.30 | nemontemi | debian did the package system, and this I call "lower level" |
| 03:54.36 | knite | str8edge: installed any new packages? |
| 03:54.46 | gravity | nemontemi: You still don't seem to really understand how this works... |
| 03:54.46 | nemontemi | other distros may use it, but who implements the core, is debian |
| 03:54.48 | str8edge | i acceidently installed auto-apt |
| 03:55.03 | str8edge | so unfortunately, yeah, and I don't know which ones. |
| 03:55.09 | gravity | nemontemi: You know that a lot of dpkg work is going on in ubuntu, and that gets put in to debian after? Same with apt? |
| 03:55.11 | amd_goon | nemontemi: What happens if debian derives from kanotix which derives from knoppix which derives from debian? ;-) |
| 03:55.13 | gravity | nemontemi: Does your argument hold then? |
| 03:55.14 | nemontemi | cddesjar: we don't need nazi debian fans discussion |
| 03:55.17 | minddog | think theres a tool for doing that? |
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| 03:55.26 | str8edge | i noticed i'm no longer using hotplug, i'm now using udevd |
| 03:55.29 | somedude | is debian the greatest distro of all time |
| 03:55.36 | jbroome | godwin! |
| 03:55.42 | cddesjar | somedude: it could be |
| 03:55.44 | knite | str8edge: i have a similar problem actually |
| 03:55.46 | nemontemi | amd_goon: it not seems to be a derivation relationship then |
| 03:55.53 | cheal | somedude: no, it's the greatest distro of all dimensions! |
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| 03:56.04 | cddesjar | i like cheal's answer better |
| 03:56.15 | amd_goon | nemontemi: true |
| 03:56.17 | knite | str8edge: i'm using alsa for sound system, and now I have to do "sudo alsaconf" to get sound back |
| 03:56.27 | somedude | cool |
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| 03:56.31 | str8edge | i'll try it |
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| 03:56.40 | gravity | nemontemi: You still haven't answered my question. If ubuntu does a lot of work on the base system and debian derives from that, does that put ubuntu at a lower level? |
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| 03:56.41 | Berina | hi |
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| 03:56.51 | cddesjar | ha ha...somedude came to ask that question...then left |
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| 03:56.52 | knite | str8edge: the pain is that I have to do it everytime... instead of automatically at bootup |
| 03:56.54 | nemontemi | gravity: i think so |
| 03:57.02 | quittt | why there are several important package in Debian that is OBSOLETE in etch? |
| 03:57.04 | str8edge | knite: thats easy to fix |
| 03:57.05 | quittt | why? |
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| 03:57.20 | gravity | nemontemi: So what does that mean for your terminology then? Does Debian deserve to derive from Ubuntu and spread linux across the world? |
| 03:57.23 | cheal | quittt: please ask a vaguer question |
| 03:57.23 | cddesjar | knite: are you running ubuntu? |
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| 03:57.32 | knite | str8edge: well, I can stick it into an RC script, but I don't want to do it without figuring out what's wrong |
| 03:57.38 | benjamindees | quittt, for example? |
| 03:57.43 | Berina | plese how can I connect my debian localhost when debian runs on VMWARE and I must use NAT (and not bridged) for the internet connection? When I type my IP Adress into the Browser window, I come on the Windows Server (the host os) |
| 03:57.44 | knite | cddesjar: was... converted to sid. |
| 03:57.57 | quittt | cheal, there are several important libs in etch that are obselete... and the most funny thing is that some of those |
| 03:58.03 | Berina | the internal 192.168.*.* adress cannot be reached from the internet |
| 03:58.07 | quittt | are not obsolete |
| 03:58.10 | cddesjar | knite: ok...good man...sid's a killer keep your eye's open |
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| 03:58.26 | str8edge | knite: k. |
| 03:58.27 | cheal | quittt: wow, it's really clear what you're talking about now |
| 03:58.29 | clump | perhaps I am a bit dim tonight, but I can't seem to find the magic incantation to installing xorg from wiki.debian.org. |
| 03:58.31 | nemontemi | gravity: they don't 'deserves' nothing, I'm not talking the rights of one distro or other, I am talking about their relationship |
| 03:58.39 | knite | cddesjar: I know, this is my "play" machine. my other box runs sarge |
| 03:58.41 | cheal | !tell clump about install x |
| 03:58.46 | str8edge | i still have no sound after running alsa conf.. I'm goint o kick out of z and try it AGAIN |
| 03:59.01 | quittt | libmagick6 is obsolete |
| 03:59.01 | gravity | nemontemi: < nemontemi> gravity: ubuntu was born to spread linux in the world, |
| 03:59.01 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.09 | POCD | hi |
| 03:59.10 | knite | cddesjar: is there a known sound problem in ubuntu or something? |
| 03:59.15 | nemontemi | gravity: if ubuntu develop the base system, and debian uses it, right. but one of them don't simply "win a fight" against other, they coexists |
| 03:59.22 | cddesjar | knite: in ubuntu? i don't know |
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| 03:59.26 | quittt | libecal6 is obsolete |
| 03:59.28 | clump | cheal thanks, but more specifically how to run experimental xorg on SID. |
| 03:59.30 | knite | cddesjar: sound actually worked perfectly for me, out of box, for ubuntu. not as easy to configure in debian. |
| 03:59.31 | dondelelcaro | knite: #ubuntu... |
| 03:59.33 | cddesjar | knite: you could try in #ubuntu...they would know |
| 03:59.36 | quittt | libexife10 too |
| 03:59.46 | dondelelcaro | quittt: what about it? |
| 03:59.48 | cheal | quittt: perhaps because there's a libmagick9 in etch? |
| 03:59.59 | cddesjar | knite: apt-get install alsa? |
| 04:00.15 | knite | I tried booting to live ubuntu disk to compare its sound config with my debian box. |
| 04:00.21 | quittt | cheal, so? |
| 04:00.29 | nemontemi | gravity: wasn't that initial objective to ubuntu? or ubuntu was born to develop the debian's base system and things like that? |
| 04:00.37 | gravity | nemontemi: You seem to want to pigeonhole things by your statement that I just pasted above. I want to see Debian succeed and spread. Right now, attitudes like yours worry me because people simply see Debian as something to derive from, not actually run, love, contribute back to, and become a part of |
| 04:00.37 | knite | haven't figured out the difference yet. 'cept that ubuntu is using hotplug, and sid has udev |
| 04:00.45 | quittt | cheal, how do I see dead libs? |
| 04:00.49 | quittt | that arent used anymore |
| 04:00.50 | POCD | i have problems installing debian sarge in SATA, can you help me? |
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| 04:01.12 | dondelelcaro | quittt: if you've got libs that aren't being used anymore, use deborphan or aptitude to remove them. |
| 04:01.16 | cheal | quittt: so it's not funny at all |
| 04:01.17 | M_Cheevy | pocd: what kinda of sata setup? |
| 04:01.20 | dondelelcaro | POCD: just ask your question. |
| 04:01.23 | benjamindees | POCD, you're using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:01.26 | quittt | wow |
| 04:01.31 | quittt | it is a great amount of libs |
| 04:01.34 | cheal | quittt: as dondelelcaro said |
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| 04:01.50 | quittt | how do I make aptitude detect those libs? |
| 04:01.58 | wang | is it possible to keep balsa and other applications with a GUI in the back ground? |
| 04:02.03 | dondelelcaro | quittt: go to the oldlibs tab, and mark all of them as automatically installed. |
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| 04:02.07 | nemontemi | gravity: and what I see is groups of distros fans that simply don't want to see your own distro "derived" and spread more than it |
| 04:02.24 | gravity | nemontemi: Put it as you will |
| 04:02.25 | knite | I'm trying to grab a cd image out of my cd drive, with "dd if=/dev/hdc of=/tmp/image.iso" ... but it gets stuck at about 120MB. Anyone know what the problem might be, or how to get around this? |
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| 04:02.28 | dondelelcaro | quittt: you may also want to mark all of the libraries you have installed currently as automatically installed. |
| 04:02.29 | POCD | i have tried both kernels that comes with sarge |
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| 04:02.39 | clump | gravity: forgive me, but I perhaps am not finding my magic stuff on wiki.deb. I believe I have sources.list ok, but apt-get doesn't like me. |
| 04:02.39 | quittt | dondelelcaro, oldlibs tab? where |
| 04:02.39 | POCD | and nothing |
| 04:02.40 | rares000 | how do I get suexec-fgci in debian for apache |
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| 04:02.44 | M_Cheevy | bottom line is any distro isn't windows ;) |
| 04:02.46 | litage | [bman]: what i'm afraid of is someone maliciously sending the wrong time |
| 04:02.49 | wang | damn, we're busy tonight |
| 04:02.50 | gravity | clump: You're going to have to be more specific... |
| 04:03.01 | nemontemi | gravity: I use debian for about 6 years, I don't like ubuntu, and if I would develop something, I would do it for debian, but I don't see ubuntu as an enemy |
| 04:03.07 | dondelelcaro | quittt: hint: see the Obsolete and Localally Created Packages as well as the Installed Packages->oldlibs section |
| 04:03.22 | dondelelcaro | nemontemi: I don't think anyone who seriously does any work for Debian does. |
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| 04:03.30 | wang | ubuntu's great for people relatively new to unix |
| 04:03.30 | M_Cheevy | POCD: a) what is the sata card? b) are you trying to install to it? c) or merely mount it after boot? |
| 04:03.34 | knite | Is there a program dedicated to making a copy of image from CD? |
| 04:03.35 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone know of i program i can run on my deb box that will tell me what sites people on my lan go to or what they download etc. ? |
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| 04:03.45 | gravity | nemontemi: I never said I saw ubuntu as the enemy at all. What I see as the enemy is the perception that I stated above. |
| 04:03.50 | rumplefor | could anybody help me with a small C language program? |
| 04:03.52 | quittt | dondelelcaro, there are some broken package |
| 04:03.54 | nemontemi | dondelelcaro: I know some debian developers who did |
| 04:04.01 | clump | gravity: ah, I may have spoken too soon. I got dependency issues, but being specific solved it. |
| 04:04.03 | dondelelcaro | nemontemi: uh... like who:? |
| 04:04.07 | wang | knite: google? www.freshmeat.net? apt-cache search copy image? |
| 04:04.07 | POCD | its a SIS |
| 04:04.08 | dondelelcaro | nemontemi: care to be slightly less vague? |
| 04:04.09 | gravity | clump: Cool |
| 04:04.09 | nemontemi | gravity: debian-br-cdd |
| 04:04.16 | quittt | dondelelcaro, like phyton |
| 04:04.17 | clump | IE, apt-get install xserver-xorg/experimental |
| 04:04.17 | dondelelcaro | quittt: yeah, just fix them. |
| 04:04.18 | gravity | nemontemi: ? |
| 04:04.20 | wang | cddesjar : true |
| 04:04.22 | knite | wang: I tried. |
| 04:04.22 | M_Cheevy | LinuxNIT: a proxy server log? |
| 04:04.27 | nemontemi | gravity: sorry, wrong nick |
| 04:04.29 | cheal | rumplefor: no, unless it's related to debian |
| 04:04.31 | POCD | trying to intall on it |
| 04:04.31 | clump | I ran the above command after installing common first. |
| 04:04.33 | nemontemi | dondelelcaro: debian-br-cdd |
| 04:04.43 | dondelelcaro | nemontemi: uh... that's not a Debian developer. |
| 04:04.44 | M_Cheevy | POCD: straight sata right, not sata raid? |
| 04:04.47 | knite | cdw has image copy functionality, but it gets stuck at ~120MB. same problem as dd. |
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| 04:05.01 | wang | knite: i'd try harder. you're trying to burn an image to a cd? like an operating system image for example? |
| 04:05.07 | str8edge | no change. |
| 04:05.18 | quittt | dondelelcaro, that is confusing |
| 04:05.28 | dondelelcaro | quittt: what is confusing? |
| 04:05.29 | nemontemi | dondelelcaro: they "spread" debian translating and personalizing to a single language, don't you see as a developer? |
| 04:05.29 | POCD | sorry i dont know i dont have it rigth now, but with kernel 2.6.8 it get mounted |
| 04:05.31 | quittt | if they are obselete why are they on Debian repository? |
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| 04:05.43 | dondelelcaro | quittt: because some things in Debian depend on them still. |
| 04:05.50 | amd_goon | str8edge: what is in /proc/asound/cards |
| 04:05.52 | dondelelcaro | quittt: not all packages get new versions uploaded all the time. |
| 04:05.52 | M_Cheevy | POCD: so you're able to partiton and mount the drive in install? |
| 04:06.00 | knite | wang: opposite. I'm trying to copy a CD image to harddisk. |
| 04:06.12 | POCD | i have try ubuntu and get installed |
| 04:06.13 | wang | hmmm |
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| 04:06.22 | knite | str8edge: do you know what sound card you have, and what driver it used to use? |
| 04:06.22 | str8edge | amd_goon: my audigy2 |
| 04:06.23 | wang | knite: you could be bold and wine nero =P |
| 04:06.26 | benjamindees | cddesjar, and that doesn't concern you? |
| 04:06.33 | POCD | but with sarge its hang |
| 04:06.33 | str8edge | audigy2 platium |
| 04:06.42 | str8edge | driver is emu10k1 |
| 04:06.44 | Guerin | knite: man dd |
| 04:06.45 | POCD | when load the kernel modules |
| 04:06.50 | LinuxNIT-laptop | M_Cheevy, no im not running a server |
| 04:06.53 | Guerin | knite: even 'cat' will do it |
| 04:07.02 | cddesjar | benjamindees: not too much...as long as they give back to the debian community. they have to make a living too and if ubuntu can give them some money and help out the project then all the power to them |
| 04:07.03 | str8edge | knite - dd works |
| 04:07.03 | M_Cheevy | POCD: ubuntu installer seems to be a bit better at some hardware recognition than sarge... or at least from what I've found researching sata raid it certainly appears that way |
| 04:07.09 | cddesjar | benjamindees: i know debian will be around after ubuntu |
| 04:07.13 | knite | Guerin: I used "dd if=/dev/hdc of=/tmp/image.iso" ... but it gets stuck at about 120MB. |
| 04:07.19 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ie i want a prog that will say set the lan card to promiscous and then tell me what everyone is doin |
| 04:07.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | make sense? |
| 04:07.31 | str8edge | kaffeine has a line through the speaker icon. |
| 04:07.38 | wang | M_Cheevy: i think it's more ubuntu hands everything to you on a silver platter |
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| 04:07.43 | POCD | could be the kernel? sarge come with a lite bit older kernel |
| 04:07.49 | amd_goon | str8edge: something simple: you added yourself to audio group? |
| 04:07.51 | str8edge | LinuxNIT-laptop: ethereal |
| 04:07.54 | clump | lol, debian experimental is a pain ;) |
| 04:08.01 | M_Cheevy | wang: not a bad thing during the install process ;) |
| 04:08.01 | str8edge | yup |
| 04:08.05 | knite | str8edge: are the modules loaded? |
| 04:08.12 | str8edge | knite: yup |
| 04:08.25 | POCD | i was thinking in change the kernel of the installer bout how? |
| 04:08.29 | M_Cheevy | POCD: also the modules included and in some cases, userspace utils it loads during it's init phase |
| 04:08.32 | quittt | dondelelcaro, there are some libs that I dont use and arent obsolete |
| 04:08.37 | quittt | how do I remove those? |
| 04:08.43 | knite | str8edge: trying to play sound through esd or some other daemon? or directly to device? |
| 04:09.09 | wang | M_Cheevy : depends on who's using it imo. I felt more in control of what's going on when I installed debian in comparison to ubuntu. |
| 04:09.14 | str8edge | in gnome, through esd, tried without gdm running thought alsa diectly. |
| 04:09.19 | str8edge | nothing. |
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| 04:09.26 | str8edge | checked volume levels.. |
| 04:09.27 | str8edge | good. |
| 04:09.30 | str8edge | (75%) |
| 04:09.39 | LinuxNIT-laptop | str8edge, is there something for ethereal that interperets all that information it give you? |
| 04:09.39 | M_Cheevy | wang: I love to control the install, I just like it to be better at finding the odd-ball stuff I tend to run on... |
| 04:09.47 | amd_goon | str8edge: um, cat /proc/interrupts show your sound device? |
| 04:09.49 | quittt | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 04:09.49 | quittt | deb ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/gift-fasttrack unstable main |
| 04:09.49 | quittt | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ testing non-free |
| 04:09.49 | quittt | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
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| 04:09.53 | cddesjar | wang: i agree..debian allows you to select what packages you want and don't want |
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| 04:10.00 | quittt | woops |
| 04:10.01 | str8edge | LinuxNIT-laptop: experience, and your brain :) |
| 04:10.10 | wang | yeah i guess that helps with odd hardware configurations |
| 04:10.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | lol |
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| 04:10.19 | str8edge | yep! |
| 04:10.25 | M_Cheevy | cd/wang: I'd love a compromise, find my hardware, then hand the rest over to me |
| 04:10.27 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok i guess i want something thats easier :) hehehe |
| 04:10.55 | str8edge | LinuxNIT-laptop: you need a protocol analyzer.. big $$$ |
| 04:11.03 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ah |
| 04:11.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i hate big $$$ when its leaving me |
| 04:11.26 | knite | LinuxNIT-laptop: yeah, in windowsland, I used to use NetMon |
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| 04:11.33 | M_Cheevy | LinuxNIT: you're looking for what I'm looking for... a good hardware install with a customise-able package install |
| 04:11.48 | str8edge | we have netmon at work. |
| 04:11.55 | str8edge | and some fluke hardware. |
| 04:11.57 | minddog | marw, google thinks its smart, but its not smart enough for us dumb people on keywords =) |
| 04:12.08 | str8edge | too much $$$ for me! |
| 04:12.27 | minddog | still haven't' found the right way to add modules onto a debian cd image and make sure it loads |
| 04:12.28 | LinuxNIT-laptop | hmm i guess i want a utopian software world |
| 04:12.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | hehehe |
| 04:12.39 | M_Cheevy | LinuxNIT: as for your sata install, create boot disks with the kernel you have from ubuntu. then boot them, mount the sata drive and do a debootstrap install using the kernels from your boot disks |
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| 04:13.01 | minddog | maybe mounting the image and adding it to the install will work |
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| 04:13.17 | minddog | the installer should be able to find the object in the list right? |
| 04:13.17 | knite | looks like no one has ideas why my drive won't read the CD past 120MB. It's a clean CD, and I can copy data fine if I mount it. I just can't "dd" the whole image! |
| 04:13.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | M_Cheevy, your talking to wrongguy i dont hav eubuntu |
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| 04:13.26 | M_Cheevy | LinuxNIT-laptop: hang a sec for the link to the docs |
| 04:13.31 | str8edge | knite: you' |
| 04:13.33 | str8edge | re using dd? |
| 04:13.36 | M_Cheevy | whoops |
| 04:13.42 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 04:13.42 | knite | str8edge: ya |
| 04:13.57 | M_Cheevy | who had the SATA install issue? |
| 04:14.00 | str8edge | knite: have you tried specifying a block size? (bs= on the dd command line) |
| 04:14.02 | quittt | is there another way to remove |
| 04:14.07 | quittt | those useless libs? |
| 04:14.10 | quittt | with |
| 04:14.12 | Readon | where does apt temporarily store the .deb files? |
| 04:14.15 | POCD | any one know how to change the kernel that comes with sarge installer? |
| 04:14.26 | str8edge | Readon /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 04:14.35 | M_Cheevy | POCD: you're the one with the sata problem! got the link for ya! |
| 04:14.41 | POCD | i have sata instal issue |
| 04:14.42 | quittt | is there one way? |
| 04:14.49 | M_Cheevy | two secs |
| 04:15.31 | M_Cheevy | POCD: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en start with your ubuntu disks for the kernel and go from there |
| 04:15.51 | M_Cheevy | POCD: you'll need to make ubuntu bootdisks from that kernel |
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| 04:16.07 | M_Cheevy | POCD: or merely use the live CD |
| 04:16.07 | knite | str8edge: same result with a bs=1024 setting. |
| 04:16.27 | POCD | sorry what link? |
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| 04:16.33 | M_Cheevy | POCD: see above |
| 04:16.48 | M_Cheevy | POCD: documentation on how to install debian using a different kernel |
| 04:17.00 | M_Cheevy | hmmm lag? |
| 04:17.03 | benjamindees | knite, copy protection? |
| 04:17.07 | stew | POCD: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 04:17.12 | str8edge | knite: type of disc? |
| 04:17.14 | knite | ubuntu disk didn't help me when I was installing to nvRaid disk |
| 04:17.29 | knite | benjamindees: i'm guessing it might be. |
| 04:17.40 | str8edge | knite: what cd is it? |
| 04:17.41 | M_Cheevy | stew: sounds like he's gonna have to do a debootstrap.. installer doesn't recognise his hardware but he has a livecd that does |
| 04:17.42 | knite | benjamindees: didn't know "dd" would be stopped by that |
| 04:17.52 | str8edge | knite: yup it can be. |
| 04:17.53 | knite | str8edge: an application install disk |
| 04:18.17 | clump | gravity: thanks for the help. I will have a full report for you in a day or so. |
| 04:18.22 | str8edge | knite: theres websites that will tell you the copy protection method if it exists. |
| 04:18.24 | stew | POCD: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 04:18.32 | knite | str8edge: oh? |
| 04:18.35 | Berina | can anyone of you suggest a good DJ software? I need a Audio Software that enables me to fade from one song to the other one, should look like a turntable |
| 04:18.47 | M_Cheevy | stew: yeap, those topics should do it ;) |
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| 04:19.12 | ttick | hmm, just installed konquorer, how come it makes thumbnail previews of some images but not others? (both jpgs) |
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| 04:19.37 | M_Cheevy | POCD: if it has problems finding the /dev files in chroot do a "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" |
| 04:19.41 | stew | Berina: linux-sound.org, and look at the mixxx package and gdam is nice but not packaged |
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| 04:20.01 | M_Cheevy | bugger, wonder how much he missed |
| 04:20.06 | M_Cheevy | POCD: where did you drop off? |
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| 04:21.10 | benjamindees | ttick, different file extensions? |
| 04:21.15 | stew | M_Cheevy: don't do that |
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| 04:21.20 | Readon | how to break the install dependece loop? |
| 04:21.23 | ttick | benjamindees: nope, same. :/ |
| 04:21.29 | POC1 | dont know the ligth went of for a moment |
| 04:21.31 | stew | Readon: what specifically? |
| 04:21.43 | clump | gravity: well, here is a report: the experimental packages fix my problem. fullscreen GL is no problem :) |
| 04:21.43 | str8edge | I think i'm going to reinstall debian, and clean up some stuff. |
| 04:21.58 | M_Cheevy | POC1: what was the last thing you saw from me or stew? |
| 04:22.09 | M_Cheevy | stew: old habits die hard, the boy is mega-lagged |
| 04:22.13 | str8edge | knite: did you get the url? |
| 04:22.19 | wang | M_Cheevy: that was ballsy |
| 04:22.20 | POC1 | got the link for ya! |
| 04:22.23 | gravity | clump: Great! |
| 04:22.34 | POC1 | that was |
| 04:22.36 | ttick | benjamindees: hmm, seems to be something about the different directories. Must be some menu option. The home directory does it automagically. the other doesn't. |
| 04:22.38 | M_Cheevy | wang: a channel ping? only way to determine lag that I know of |
| 04:22.41 | gravity | clump: Those should be hitting unstable in a few weeks hopefully, depending on the release team |
| 04:22.45 | clump | gravity: and thanks again for the hard work. We penguins appreciate it. |
| 04:22.50 | gravity | clump: My pleasure |
| 04:22.54 | minddog | anyone know of a hpt37x2 prebuilt debian kernel package? |
| 04:22.59 | clump | gravity: excellent! Have a good night sir. |
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| 04:23.04 | gravity | clump: You too. Enjoy! |
| 04:23.06 | minddog | i'm thinking loading that onto the debian install will solve the iso problem |
| 04:23.09 | wang | M_Cheevy : in a large channel like this, egads! |
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| 04:23.24 | M_Cheevy | POCD: the information you want is on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 04:23.39 | str8edge | gravity, what packages? |
| 04:23.39 | M_Cheevy | wang: my pipe can handle it.. ;) |
| 04:23.47 | gravity | str8edge: Huh? |
| 04:24.09 | str8edge | gravity: the clump was testing.. anything to do with grpahics or sound? |
| 04:24.16 | gravity | str8edge: Yeah, he was testing Xorg |
| 04:24.25 | gravity | str8edge: The packages in experimental (6.9 RC2) |
| 04:24.41 | POC1 | ok thanks, but there is a way to change the kernel of the installer? |
| 04:24.48 | str8edge | gravity: ahh. 6.8.2 is okay for me, but I need SOUND! |
| 04:25.00 | gravity | str8edge: Sorry, I'm pretty useless in the ALSA world |
| 04:25.02 | stew | POC1: yeah /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 04:25.02 | Readon | stew: e2fsprogs needs new e2fslib,e2fslib needs new libc6, libc6 needs new e2fsprogs |
| 04:25.09 | M_Cheevy | POC1: not really, without rebuilding the kernel's ramfs... and you don't want to do that... trust me... |
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| 04:25.25 | stew | Readon: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 04:25.29 | str8edge | gravity: no big deal, i'm going to reinstall and do a debin, with pinned ubuntu install :) |
| 04:25.36 | Berina | stew, thank you for the tip! How difficult is it to install gdam? |
| 04:25.54 | str8edge | gravity: nothing like asking for a broken distro! |
| 04:25.59 | gravity | ouch |
| 04:26.25 | str8edge | I actually have it running right now on another machine. |
| 04:26.31 | stew | Berina: cvs version installs fine. its unfortunately gtk 1.2 only. i spent some time trying to port it to gtk 2.0 but it turned out to be a lot harder than i would have expected |
| 04:26.42 | str8edge | works good for the 10 or so packages that are not in debian. |
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| 04:27.19 | str8edge | anyway, i'm out for the night.. tomorrow night, hotwings and reinstall! |
| 04:27.26 | M_Cheevy | ciao str8edge |
| 04:27.37 | str8edge | time to grab the roll-up waterproof keyboard! |
| 04:27.39 | str8edge | :) |
| 04:27.51 | M_Cheevy | man... buffalo wings... yummm ain't had em in ages... |
| 04:27.57 | gravity | heh |
| 04:28.36 | Berina | stew, I am very new to linux ... can you suggest a packaged software? |
| 04:28.39 | quittt | how do I remove useless library ?? it is NOT recognized by aptitude... only by deborphen |
| 04:28.46 | M_Cheevy | speaking of foood... later folks.. gotta stuff the face |
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| 04:29.01 | stew | Berina: mixxx |
| 04:29.13 | POC1 | rebuilding the kernel's ramfs? |
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| 04:30.51 | jdrake | I have sarge installed, I am attempting to get a new kernel working. It appears that it can't find hda2 which is passed onto it by grub as root. I thought I put the necessary options in the kernel, any other ideas I might be missing? |
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| 04:31.26 | stew | jdrake: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
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| 04:32.50 | KerPlunk | How can I start xterm with a black background? |
| 04:32.56 | Berina | stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/IIsFrV73.html |
| 04:32.58 | crash3m_ | man xterm |
| 04:33.16 | KerPlunk | crash3m_: I don't want to read the man..what is the command? |
| 04:33.23 | stew | KerPlunk: xterm -bg black ; or man X and look at the RESOURCES section and man xrdb |
| 04:33.28 | KerPlunk | thanks stew |
| 04:33.31 | KerPlunk | I appreciate the help. |
| 04:33.45 | crash3m_ | you could have read the man and had your answer before you even joined here |
| 04:33.46 | aedes | has anyone sucessfully run cupsaddsmb? I keep getting WERR_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 04:33.49 | Gumby | does anyone here know how to extract the data from an exe? I am needing the inf and sys files for driverloader or ndiswrapper |
| 04:34.05 | mathias64 | stew: you shouldn't humor them |
| 04:34.23 | stew | mathias64: huh? |
| 04:34.31 | stew | Berina: what specifically is your question? |
| 04:34.40 | mathias64 | but MAAAAHM I don't WAAANAAA read the man page |
| 04:34.46 | Gumby | hehe |
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| 04:35.33 | jdrake | What is the best way to create a new initrd for my new kernel? |
| 04:35.42 | Phated | mkinitrd |
| 04:35.44 | Berina | stew: look what all it wanted to REMOVE ...! |
| 04:36.09 | stew | Berina: yes, much of kde has been removed from etch for the 3.4 transition |
| 04:36.42 | stew | mathias64: if you don't like the advice i'm giving just put me on /ignore |
| 04:36.46 | Berina | should I really let it delete all this stuff? |
| 04:37.03 | knite | jdrake: or yaird, if you're on sid |
| 04:38.03 | KerPlunk | jdrake: When you do make-kpkg you should have added the --initrd option |
| 04:38.23 | stew | !depends mixxx sarge |
| 04:38.37 | stew | err |
| 04:38.41 | stew | !depends mixxx etch |
| 04:38.46 | jdrake | ah, that is something I didn't do |
| 04:38.46 | dpkg | mixxx: depends on mixxx-data (= 1.4.2-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b), libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.100.0), libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b), libogg0 (>= 1.1.2), libportaudio0, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libsamplerate0, libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.2-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxmu6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, ... |
| 04:38.55 | jdrake | I have discovered that /boot doesn't have enough space left |
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| 04:39.30 | stew | Berina: since mixxx (correctly) depends on the newer qt, you have to choose between mixxx and the kde stuff it wants to remove |
| 04:39.31 | KerPlunk | jdrake: apt-get remove old kernels |
| 04:39.33 | jdrake | so I can have one initrd, new or old - but not both |
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| 04:39.44 | zorten | How do I kill one of these stupid Dockapps in FluxBox? The Darn thing just keeps sitting there. |
| 04:39.52 | POC1 | anyone have a dsl modem usb? |
| 04:39.56 | KerPlunk | zorten: /join #fluxbox ? |
| 04:39.57 | Boukensya | hey guys, I am looking for a SATA RAID1 controller that support debian |
| 04:39.59 | gravity | zorten: kill? |
| 04:40.31 | KerPlunk | zorten: fluxbox doesn't have any dockapps by default..it only has a slit...so you are using a non-official release of some kind. |
| 04:40.38 | Boukensya | just wondering a make/model that supports it |
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| 04:41.23 | KerPlunk | Boukensya: Try searching linuxhardware.org |
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| 04:45.23 | KerPlunk | Boukensya: Probably very few "officially" support if... Boukensya if hardware companies support linux microsoft will make their drivers for that hardware "untrusted" on windows...and try to sink that particular company...microsoft has a great deal of control amongst the hardware vendors. |
| 04:45.41 | KerPlunk | Boukensya: But I bet a lot of RAID make/models work very well with linux...but still aren't "supported" |
| 04:45.55 | POC1 | how to dial a pppoe connection, with a gui? |
| 04:46.05 | crash3m_ | kppp? |
| 04:46.30 | Boukensya | yeah... on the server there is currently an onboard sata raid controller but it doesn't work properly for failed hdd's |
| 04:47.07 | POC1 | i have a usb modem and i dont know how to dial with gui |
| 04:48.21 | Gnea | !pppoe |
| 04:48.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 04:49.14 | Gnea | POC1: dunno about no GUI... you'll have to do without for now |
| 04:50.00 | aedes | is there a way with apt to list the files installed by a package? |
| 04:50.02 | POC1 | well but to know about the time connected with a gui? |
| 04:51.22 | Gnea | POC1: well there's pppstatus.. i don't know about any gui |
| 04:51.31 | POC1 | i am connected now with linux and the usb modem |
| 04:51.34 | KerPlunk | aedes: dpkg -L thenameofthepackage |
| 04:51.40 | crash3m_ | aedes: apt-file list package |
| 04:51.44 | stew | KerPlunk: do you know of any hardware raid cards that aren't supported by the linux kernel? |
| 04:51.51 | POC1 | i use the console for connect |
| 04:51.51 | Gnea | POC1: try apt-get install pppstatus and see if that works |
| 04:52.01 | POC1 | i using it now |
| 04:52.04 | KerPlunk | stew: No, I don't use raid. |
| 04:52.05 | POC1 | ok |
| 04:52.35 | stew | Boukensya: 3ware is excellent and is very well supported by the linux kernel |
| 04:52.37 | aedes | how can I tell which package a file comes from? |
| 04:52.38 | POC1 | but you know for the common ppl, they like gui |
| 04:52.58 | stew | aedes: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:54.35 | Gnea | POC1: you could write one |
| 04:54.53 | POC1 | how? |
| 04:55.40 | Boukensya | stew, yeah I saw that (): do you know if in the install it looks at 1 logical drive or bypasses that and it recognises both the drives |
| 04:55.54 | Boukensya | because that is the problem I am having at the moment with an adaptec one |
| 04:56.04 | POC1 | i mean what info do i need to get info of the pppoe |
| 04:56.17 | stew | Boukensya: if you have a 3ware card with a raid array, the raid array will look like a single scsi disk to the kernel |
| 04:57.11 | Boukensya | stew yeah that is great.. Just hope I don't get the card and it do the same thing as the adaptec one I have not |
| 04:57.13 | Boukensya | now even |
| 04:57.16 | stew | POC1: have you tried kppp? i don't know if it will do what you want |
| 04:57.45 | mathias64 | godd night everyone |
| 04:57.47 | stew | Boukensya: if it looks like 2 drives to linux its probably not hardware raid |
| 04:58.04 | POC1 | i have try all the devices that are listed in kppp and nothing work |
| 04:58.06 | quittt | I dont have apt-setup |
| 04:58.08 | quittt | why? |
| 04:58.08 | DarkViper | yep defienly love my Debian box compared to my Friend 98 server box |
| 04:58.17 | stew | quittt: /usr/sbin/apt-setup? |
| 04:58.53 | POC1 | but kppp isnt just for diald-up? |
| 04:59.01 | stew | POC1: i'm not sure |
| 04:59.03 | SimonRaven | DarkViper: cool |
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| 04:59.18 | DarkViper | ssh :P, faster to reset apache, way faster thne boring VNC which takes a while :P (easier to configure with Midnight Commander :P |
| 04:59.49 | quittt | stew, which package is it? |
| 04:59.56 | stew | quittt: base-config |
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| 05:00.24 | SimonRaven | DarkViper: fuck yeh |
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| 05:00.46 | SimonRaven | fuck the fucking fuckers. here, kingsley, record that. |
| 05:01.24 | Gnea | POC1: kppp uses its own configuration, not debian's |
| 05:01.28 | Boukensya | stew, it is definantly hardware raid, and works perfect with windows setups |
| 05:01.37 | Boukensya | and the RAID device is enabled in the bios |
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| 05:01.46 | stew | Boukensya: how do you know its not fakeraid? |
| 05:01.54 | Boukensya | and it does mirror it |
| 05:02.22 | Boukensya | stew, its not software raid because there is an onboard raid controller on the eserver ibm box |
| 05:02.45 | POC1 | i use a script that come with the modem drivers |
| 05:02.49 | Boukensya | and I set it up and just left the 2nd drive blank, and it automatically mirrors it |
| 05:02.55 | POC1 | for connect |
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| 05:03.11 | Gnea | Boukensya: there are hardware raid controllers that exist that actually utilize software for the raid controls, thus making them fake-hardware raids |
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| 05:03.15 | sleon | hi all |
| 05:03.23 | stew | Boukensya: if it were hardware raid i don't think it would be showing both drives to thekernel |
| 05:03.27 | Boukensya | ahh that makes sense |
| 05:03.34 | sleon | how can i recompile pppd package with pppoe support ? |
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| 05:03.47 | drkat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.49 | Gnea | sleon: it already has the support |
| 05:04.03 | stew | Boukensya: all the hardware does is gives you a place in the bios to do configuration then after boot it leaves the actually raid to the kernel drivers |
| 05:04.06 | sleon | Gnea: i could not find pppoe plugin in it |
| 05:04.10 | Gnea | drkat: top |
| 05:04.17 | drkat | what arguments |
| 05:04.21 | stew | drkat: man ps |
| 05:04.23 | drkat | cuz I just need the cpu usage, i know about top |
| 05:04.25 | drkat | I did man ps |
| 05:04.27 | drkat | it doesnt work |
| 05:04.28 | Gnea | sleon: it doesn't work like that |
| 05:04.46 | Gnea | man ps shows me a manpage |
| 05:04.47 | Boukensya | stew, even without setup? |
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| 05:04.57 | sleon | Gnea: i don't want to use rp-pppoe user space driver, but want to use kernel driver |
| 05:05.00 | SimonRaven | ok. what is it with the fucked circular deps on apt, aptitude, libapt-pkg-perl, and debtagss? |
| 05:05.09 | SimonRaven | s/ss/s/ |
| 05:05.10 | stew | Boukensya: huh? |
| 05:05.14 | SimonRaven | yes yes BTS. |
| 05:05.25 | Gnea | sleon: user space driver doesn't work without the kernel driver. |
| 05:05.31 | stew | drkat: why doesn't ps work? what command line did you use for ps? |
| 05:05.37 | Gnea | sleon: go read the ppp howto at www.tldp.org |
| 05:05.43 | sleon | Gnea: does the userspace driver need pppoe.ko ? |
| 05:05.50 | Gnea | YES |
| 05:05.54 | litage | with variables defined in /foo/bar like this: IP1="1.2.3.4" i grab the vars with "source /foo/bar" from another script. $IP1 prints fine with echo, but when i try to use it in a command, an error occurs: $IPT -A tcp_in -p tcp --dport $SSH_PORT -j ACCEPT says: Bad argument `22' |
| 05:05.54 | sleon | oh |
| 05:06.20 | sleon | root@tux:/home/sleon/node# lsmod|grep pppoe |
| 05:06.20 | sleon | root@tux:/home/sleon/node# modinfo pppoe |
| 05:06.21 | sleon | Gnea: |
| 05:06.22 | Boukensya | stew, setup like no telling it to do it |
| 05:06.28 | sleon | Gnea: and i am online with rp-pppoe |
| 05:06.29 | Gnea | litage: you're not using it. |
| 05:06.36 | sleon | Gnea: and the pppoe module is not loaded |
| 05:06.39 | litage | Gnea: ? |
| 05:06.42 | sleon | Gnea: so it works WITHOUT IT |
| 05:06.57 | sleon | Gnea: go to tldp.org yourself |
| 05:07.05 | Gnea | sleon: weird, you didn't compile the kernel yourself? |
| 05:07.06 | stew | Boukensya: i don't follow. too many "it"s |
| 05:07.12 | sleon | Gnea: debian kernel |
| 05:07.22 | sleon | and it has pppoe.ko |
| 05:07.28 | sleon | Gnea: modinfo pppoe shows all information |
| 05:07.30 | Gnea | sleon: pardon me? i've had a DSL modem before so I'm quite familiar with how PPPoE works. |
| 05:07.44 | sleon | i have it for 5 years already |
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| 05:08.07 | sleon | my problem is that due to performance reasons i want to switch from rp-pppoe to kernel own driver |
| 05:08.08 | Gnea | so don't use rp-pppoe |
| 05:08.13 | sleon | there are two pppoe implementations |
| 05:08.20 | Gnea | ok |
| 05:08.20 | sleon | Gnea: but i do sofar |
| 05:08.30 | sleon | Gnea: because i get now 16 mbit link |
| 05:08.42 | sleon | Gnea: and on 6mbit pppoe gets whole cpu on my router |
| 05:08.44 | DarkViper | wierd, phpsysinfo is saying i got a USB UHCI Root Hub |
| 05:08.55 | stew | litage: Guerin was reporting some wierd errors with --dport,sounds like you are seeing something similar |
| 05:09.02 | sleon | Gnea: can i have your config ? |
| 05:09.12 | Gnea | sleon: look, do you have anything for it set in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:09.21 | zandoval | HEY - Need some help - Looking for a debian-live cd that includes gnucash - The newer versions of knoppix and kanotix do not have packaged into the live cd |
| 05:09.30 | sleon | nothing, i set up only /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-providers file |
| 05:09.44 | litage | stew: the problem only occured when i moved the var $SSH_PORT to a different file and sourced the file |
| 05:09.44 | stew | zandoval: debian doesn't have a livecd |
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| 05:09.55 | Gnea | zandoval: distrowatch.com |
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| 05:10.21 | zandoval | stew - I meant debian like sytem |
| 05:10.32 | POC1 | what is the state of debian bsd? |
| 05:10.40 | stew | zandoval: ask #ubuntu if their livecd does |
| 05:10.48 | zandoval | gnea - wil go there and look thanks |
| 05:11.18 | stew | litage: maybe try sticking an "echo" at the front of that line to see what the line its trying to execute looks like? |
| 05:11.28 | sleon | Gnea: nothing, i set up only /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-providers file |
| 05:11.28 | zandoval | debian bsd lives - but seams more in knoppix or kanotix |
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| 05:12.05 | zandoval | thanks guys - out now |
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| 05:13.33 | litage | stew: i found the problem. turns out the variable prior to $SSH_PORT in the same command was mistyped =P |
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| 05:13.41 | quittt | damnit |
| 05:15.35 | Gnea | sleon: ah ok - i thought it was better documented, apparantly not.. |
| 05:16.47 | Gnea | sleon: i added lines like this: auto dsl-provider \ iface dsl-provider inet ppp \ provider dsl-provider \ pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up <---- but pppoeconfig should add all of that for you. |
| 05:17.07 | POC1 | can gdm let me login in console mode? |
| 05:17.24 | Gnea | gdm is for X |
| 05:17.25 | Gnea | no |
| 05:17.37 | Gnea | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 05:18.03 | POC1 | but i want to kill x |
| 05:18.18 | stew | POC1: /etc/init.d/gdm stop; if you want it gone permanantly /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:18.19 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:18.29 | POC1 | i mean gdm let leave x |
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| 05:18.41 | Gnea | huh? |
| 05:18.52 | stew | POC1: ctrl-alt-f1, login, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 05:19.04 | POC1 | with woody it was possible |
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| 05:19.52 | stew | POC1: ask #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org then |
| 05:20.22 | madradrone | how do you deal with a doc/ directory with a Makefile for tex manual page with dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 05:21.25 | sleon | Gnea: how does your dsl-provide look like ? |
| 05:21.46 | Gnea | sleon: my what? i use cable these days |
| 05:21.49 | quittt | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 05:21.49 | quittt | W: Você precisa atualizar as listas de pacotes para corrigir esses arquivos que faltam |
| 05:21.50 | quittt | wtf |
| 05:22.08 | stew | quittt: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 05:22.27 | jsz | hi, how do I get my ISA Soundblaster 16 to work? |
| 05:22.37 | crash3m_ | sndconfig jsz |
| 05:22.39 | jsz | I need to know the irq ect |
| 05:22.53 | Gnea | sleon: oh, you mean /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider? it's standard - pppoeconfig sets that all up for you |
| 05:22.55 | crash3m_ | isapnpdump |
| 05:23.05 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:23.09 | Gnea | plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0 |
| 05:23.13 | Gnea | it DOES have that |
| 05:23.19 | jsz | there is no sndconfig |
| 05:23.27 | Gnea | but i don't know if that created a problem or not |
| 05:23.36 | Gnea | you could probably comment it out and see |
| 05:23.46 | jsz | I don't think it's plug and pray |
| 05:23.47 | Gnea | but it's gotta bridge to eth0 somehow |
| 05:23.49 | sleon | Gnea: i have following line in there :pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth1 -m 1452" |
| 05:23.54 | sleon | Gnea: nothing with plugin |
| 05:24.04 | sleon | or moment |
| 05:24.13 | crash3m_ | check /proc/intterupts |
| 05:24.15 | sleon | cofirming |
| 05:24.29 | Gnea | sleon: is your file commented into sections? |
| 05:24.37 | quittt | THERE ARE LOTS of obsolete libs |
| 05:24.40 | sleon | Gnea: moment i put it on pastebin |
| 05:24.44 | quittt | that I still using... because of apps |
| 05:24.45 | Gnea | ok |
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| 05:25.06 | quittt | I am going to sleep |
| 05:25.08 | quittt | ah |
| 05:25.23 | quittt | is it possible to add shutdown option in fluxbox? |
| 05:25.36 | sleon | http://pastebin.com/445813 Gnea |
| 05:25.59 | nrdb | I have a compaq computer, I would like to get the power button to shutdown the computer, can someone help? |
| 05:26.19 | jsz | nrdb: look in the bios |
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| 05:27.17 | nrdb | jsz: the bios should be OK as it was doing this under Fedora. |
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| 05:28.56 | nrdb | jsz: I think its a setup problem as the install didn't go smoothly. |
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| 05:30.04 | Gnea | sleon: http://pastebin.com/445814 |
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| 05:30.11 | Gnea | sleon: look at the bottom |
| 05:30.20 | Gnea | sleon: try that see if it helps |
| 05:30.25 | sleon | thx |
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| 05:32.20 | sleon | Gnea: what about the plugin ? |
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| 05:33.17 | Gnea | sleon: you can add the plugin if you want - but then you don't really need the other line uncommented |
| 05:33.26 | Gnea | sleon: sec |
| 05:34.34 | Gnea | sleon: http://pastebin.com/445819 |
| 05:34.45 | quittt | hey |
| 05:34.56 | quittt | I want to have shut down option on fluxbox |
| 05:35.00 | quittt | how do I make that? |
| 05:35.09 | Gnea | edit the fluxbox menu |
| 05:35.25 | quittt | Gnea, but update-menus gets ride of it |
| 05:35.38 | Gnea | ~/.fluxbox/fluxbox-menu |
| 05:35.51 | quittt | yeah |
| 05:35.55 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.33 | mzilikazi64 | anyone manage to get firewire, udev & kernel 2.6.14 to play nice? |
| 05:39.53 | _sleon | Gnea: now it uses kernel module :) |
| 05:39.54 | _sleon | thx Gnea |
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| 05:41.04 | sleon_ | Gnea: now it works and uses pppoe.ko thank you |
| 05:41.38 | JackieBrown | anyway of installing debian on a resier4 partition yet? |
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| 05:42.45 | quittt | help with sudo |
| 05:42.51 | quittt | how do I make sudo let me halt the pc? |
| 05:42.58 | mage | how do I set the ip properly? heh |
| 05:43.00 | quittt | let users do that |
| 05:43.12 | mage | I've been having to log in as root and ifconfig it :( |
| 05:43.24 | quittt | how do I do that? |
| 05:43.24 | Gnea | sleon_: no prob :) |
| 05:43.29 | POC1 | how to install firefox 1.5? |
| 05:43.42 | Gnea | !tell mage about interfaces |
| 05:43.42 | JackieBrown | apt-get install firefox |
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| 05:43.53 | JackieBrown | it's in unstable |
| 05:44.01 | Gnea | is it already? |
| 05:44.11 | Gnea | i thought it was experimental |
| 05:44.11 | cddesjar | no it's not |
| 05:44.16 | cddesjar | !info firefox unstable |
| 05:44.19 | JackieBrown | as firefox not mozila-firefox\ |
| 05:44.24 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7585 kB, Installed size: 21588 kB |
| 05:44.25 | JackieBrown | yes it is |
| 05:44.27 | cddesjar | !info mozilla-firefox unstable |
| 05:44.31 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7444 kB, Installed size: 21016 kB |
| 05:44.38 | Gnea | JackieBrown: you are a liar. |
| 05:44.44 | POC1 | from tarball |
| 05:45.04 | JackieBrown | rc3 is the same as the final release |
| 05:45.06 | Gnea | apt-cache show firefox |
| 05:45.09 | Gnea | nothing. |
| 05:45.14 | cddesjar | JackieBrown: that's still not in unstable |
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| 05:45.20 | cddesjar | JackieBrown: it's in experimental |
| 05:45.32 | Gnea | unless mirrors.usc.edu is behind |
| 05:45.54 | JackieBrown | i am using ftp.debian |
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| 05:46.04 | JackieBrown | it's simply firefox |
| 05:46.12 | secher | Hrm. went to update kernel, and noticed that there's no kernel-image for 2.6.14, just a linux-image. what's the difference? I don't remember a linux-image. |
| 05:46.36 | JackieBrown | It's a name thin that what you need secher |
| 05:46.42 | Gnea | secher: yeah that's new, it happened over a month ago |
| 05:46.52 | stew | secher: they switched the names as of 2.6.12 since debian supports other kernel's than the linux kernel |
| 05:47.01 | Gnea | JackieBrown: ok, kernel.org has it. cool. |
| 05:47.34 | Gnea | Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main firefox 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 [7768kB] |
| 05:47.38 | secher | Kkk.. that's what I though, just wnated to be sure.. I'd have checked google, but I have a *really* minimal install.. not even lynx yet.. Thansk all. |
| 05:47.47 | JackieBrown | I wait to lie after my second visit |
| 05:47.55 | Gnea | lol |
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| 05:48.27 | Gnea | ooo compatiblity updates |
| 05:48.56 | caphuso | you might want to check if all the firefox extensions you use are compatible |
| 05:48.57 | Gnea | granted, firefox is a method for online dating services, but isn't this going a bit far? :P |
| 05:49.40 | Gnea | caphuso: it does it automagically the first time it starts up if a previous firefox was installed |
| 05:49.50 | mage | what other kernels does debian support? |
| 05:49.55 | JackieBrown | Gnea - if you are using any mozilla plugins through apt you should stick with the one in experimental |
| 05:49.58 | Gnea | caphuso: and now it's auto-installing the new versions |
| 05:50.00 | dondelelcaro | mage: kfreebsd and hurd |
| 05:50.02 | cddesjar | mage: hurd |
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| 05:50.06 | caphuso | Gnea: yes, but then you have to do reinstall the older version |
| 05:50.16 | Gnea | caphuso: what? |
| 05:50.21 | caphuso | if you need an extension that doesn't work anymore |
| 05:50.30 | Gnea | oh |
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| 05:50.44 | Gnea | but it checks and finds the new ones and installs them |
| 05:50.53 | Gnea | if it skipped any then oh well |
| 05:51.20 | Gnea | 'deer park' |
| 05:51.38 | sifi | How can I also include that .pls must be included as i'm trying to do here: lynx -dump http://www.hbr1.com/playlist | awk '/hbr1.com/ {print $2}; /.pls/ {print $2};' |
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| 05:52.17 | JackieBrown | I meant primarly mplayer-plugin |
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| 05:52.31 | quittt | where is principal fluxbox menu? |
| 05:52.34 | quittt | for whole pc? |
| 05:52.45 | thenginakaayi | how big is i386-only part of debian mirror? |
| 05:52.49 | sshock_ | Hi, does anyone here have problems using middle-click in firefox? |
| 05:52.57 | stew | secher: awk '/hbr1\.com.*\.pls/{print $2}' ? |
| 05:52.59 | JackieBrown | to do what |
| 05:53.01 | quittt | where is principal fluxbox menu? |
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| 05:53.11 | sshock_ | quitt, right click on the desktop |
| 05:53.31 | quittt | where is the principal fluxbox menu configuration |
| 05:53.36 | quittt | for whole computer |
| 05:53.40 | quittt | for all users |
| 05:53.42 | quittt | where is it |
| 05:53.44 | sshock_ | oh, you want to change the menu |
| 05:53.55 | dondelelcaro | quittt: you mean the debian menu? |
| 05:54.06 | quittt | fluxbox |
| 05:54.08 | quittt | no |
| 05:54.12 | quittt | dondelelcaro, fluxbox menu |
| 05:54.21 | quittt | the master configuration |
| 05:54.24 | Gnea | sshock_: works fine here. what version of firefox? |
| 05:54.33 | POC1 | its posible to make a debian cd installer with latest security updates? |
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| 05:54.35 | sshock_ | quittt, perhaps /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu |
| 05:54.45 | JackieBrown | "/etc/X11/fluxbox |
| 05:54.45 | litage | what should root's umask be? |
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| 05:54.47 | sshock_ | Gnea, it is version 1.0.7 |
| 05:54.56 | stew | thenginakaayi: /msg dpkg dstats |
| 05:55.02 | Gnea | sshock_: sarge? |
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| 05:55.25 | sshock_ | Gnea, oh, well, I'm actually on the wrong channel probably :) |
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| 05:55.34 | sshock_ | I'll get kicked off if I tell you what distribution I'm running |
| 05:55.47 | Gnea | if it's not debian, then yes, wrong channel ;) |
| 05:55.47 | cddesjar | ubuntu!!!! leave!!!! |
| 05:55.49 | cddesjar | just teasing |
| 05:55.53 | JackieBrown | Is there anyway of installing debian on a resier4 partition yet? |
| 05:55.55 | sshock_ | hehe |
| 05:55.56 | dondelelcaro | litage: depends, anywhhere from 0077 to 0022 is probably sane. |
| 05:55.58 | cddesjar | but if you have a ubuntu question...you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:56.02 | Gnea | sshock_: btw, 1.5 is out |
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| 05:56.08 | cddesjar | we can't help you like they could |
| 05:56.09 | sshock_ | hmmm, maybe I'll just upgrade to 1.5 |
| 05:56.18 | cinta | alllooowww |
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| 05:56.37 | dondelelcaro | JackieBrown: yes, use debootstrap from a kernel with reiser4 support and the appropriate reiser4 fs creation routines. |
| 05:56.40 | sshock_ | actually I'm running gentoo, but I already asked on that channel and no one else has the problem |
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| 05:57.01 | dondelelcaro | JackieBrown: why you'd want to use reiser4 is an entirely different question, though. |
| 05:57.03 | cddesjar | sshock_: are you some kind of speed junky? |
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| 05:57.46 | sshock_ | cddesjar, no, I run debian on two of my machines |
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| 05:57.59 | cddesjar | ok ;) |
| 05:58.02 | sshock_ | I just loaded gentoo on this one because I wanted 64-bit and I knew gentoo would support it |
| 05:58.02 | JackieBrown | is that as easy as the net installer or should i research first (i will anyways just wondering) |
| 05:58.24 | dondelelcaro | JackieBrown: no, but it's not that difficult if you know what you're doing. |
| 05:58.26 | cddesjar | sshock_: boy do i have the gentoo bug report for you ;) |
| 05:58.40 | JackieBrown | I love loaded answers :) |
| 05:58.41 | POC1 | some thing funy well at least for me http://www.google.com.ar/search?q=latest&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 05:58.50 | sshock_ | hehe, yeah, I'm wondering if this firefox problem is gentoo specific |
| 05:58.57 | POC1 | why its ie first? |
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| 06:00.19 | cddesjar | sshock_: ok..http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072 go to the bottom of this bug report and see what warp zero wrote...i never shit myself laughing |
| 06:00.46 | sshock_ | cddesjar, oh, I would go there but it will take me too long to type in |
| 06:00.54 | sshock_ | cddesjar, and my middle-click doesn't work :) |
| 06:00.59 | cddesjar | copy and paste? |
| 06:01.12 | ideal | Hi, a question on 'tree'. How to use the command to ingore more than one pattern? |
| 06:01.15 | sshock_ | hahahah!!! |
| 06:01.21 | sshock_ | cddesjar, yes, copy and paste is the problem |
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| 06:02.08 | cddesjar | man i love that bug report...i think i might include it in my acknowledgements for my thesis |
| 06:02.29 | ideal | 'tree -d -I CVS', but which ignores CVS only. |
| 06:02.43 | sshock_ | it was kind of funny, I will give you that |
| 06:03.13 | cddesjar | sshock_: i just think it's funny because he says oh F*** |
| 06:03.36 | cddesjar | sshock_: and it's a sterotype and obviously sterotypes are funny :) |
| 06:03.50 | sshock_ | yeah, that is the part I thought was funny too |
| 06:04.06 | sshock_ | you know, I think this middle-click thing may be just a change they made on purpose |
| 06:04.16 | sshock_ | it still works to middle-click on links and open them in a new tab |
| 06:04.19 | cddesjar | also what the hell does that have to do with a bug report? |
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| 06:04.39 | sshock_ | just not middle-click on empty space to open up link in the "clipboard" |
| 06:04.58 | rumplefor | any help welcome c program ------> http://rumplefor.pastebin.com/445830 |
| 06:05.28 | sshock_ | rumplefor, /join ##c |
| 06:05.37 | sshock_ | sshock_, /join #gentoo |
| 06:05.45 | sshock_ | hehe, ok, talk to you guys later |
| 06:07.27 | deadcat | my printer is some where at a UPS station near my place. but wont get delivered till monday. anyone know if i can call them up and pick it up myself? |
| 06:07.46 | quittt | We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: #1) Respect the privacy of others. #2) Think before you type. #3) With great power comes great responsibility. |
| 06:07.53 | quittt | why it doesnt LET ME HALT! |
| 06:07.54 | numist | yes, we've all seen that |
| 06:08.07 | cddesjar | deadcat: is that a debian related question? :) #ups he he he |
| 06:08.10 | numist | it will let you halt, type in your password where it asks for it |
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| 06:08.19 | deadcat | cddesjar: shut the fuck up |
| 06:08.23 | quittt | numist, will it? |
| 06:08.24 | cddesjar | he he he |
| 06:08.28 | quittt | but I said NOPASSWORD there |
| 06:08.37 | dusk | is firefox 1.5 in sid? |
| 06:08.41 | numist | quittt: if you sudo shutdown -h 0, then yes, type in your user password at the prompt and say goodbye |
| 06:08.42 | dusk | i wanna install it |
| 06:08.45 | deadcat | dusk: no |
| 06:08.45 | quittt | in the sudo |
| 06:08.50 | numist | quittt: you sure your config is accurate then? |
| 06:08.53 | deadcat | dusk: wait few days. |
| 06:08.58 | dusk | deadcat ;/ |
| 06:09.09 | quittt | %users quitete = NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt |
| 06:09.09 | quittt | %users quitete = NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot |
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| 06:09.10 | cddesjar | dusk: someone found it in the kernel.org repository as firefox but it's the rc3 |
| 06:09.17 | numist | quittt: shoud read: quittt ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:09.25 | numist | hrm |
| 06:09.26 | deadcat | dusk: you can get the binary from mozilla if you cant wait. but just few days |
| 06:09.37 | dusk | alright |
| 06:09.47 | quittt | numist, is it wrong? |
| 06:09.52 | cddesjar | i beat there's no difference between the 1.0.4 i'm running and 1.5 |
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| 06:10.04 | cddesjar | s /beat/bet |
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| 06:10.24 | quittt | numist, is it wrong? |
| 06:10.26 | numist | quittt: I dont see... hrm |
| 06:10.29 | numist | quittt: hold please |
| 06:10.38 | quittt | # User privilege specification |
| 06:10.38 | quittt | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 06:11.04 | cddesjar | deadcat: is there a #ups channel? you should totally go trolling and tell them to give you your damn printer now |
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| 06:12.08 | numist | quittt: and your machine is named quitete and you are in group users? |
| 06:12.26 | quittt | group users |
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| 06:12.35 | quittt | and my machine is quitete |
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| 06:12.50 | numist | then it should Just Work |
| 06:13.09 | quittt | and that fuckin warning |
| 06:13.33 | numist | right |
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| 06:14.26 | quittt | what is hapenning |
| 06:15.18 | cddesjar | man those quebecers...now they want their own hockey team for the olympics |
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| 06:16.03 | somegirl | why isn't anyone talking |
| 06:16.11 | quittt | numist, man |
| 06:16.21 | cddesjar | somegirl: hi |
| 06:16.26 | somegirl | hey |
| 06:16.37 | somegirl | how are you? |
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| 06:16.50 | cddesjar | well and yourself? |
| 06:17.01 | somegirl | good good |
| 06:17.27 | somegirl | well what's your name? |
| 06:17.27 | quittt | numist, I need to disable that |
| 06:17.34 | cddesjar | cddesjar |
| 06:17.44 | somegirl | is that your real name? |
| 06:17.45 | cddesjar | and yours must be somegirl? |
| 06:17.52 | somegirl | yeah it is |
| 06:18.23 | cddesjar | i am kind of confused |
| 06:18.25 | numist | quittt: did you change around the groups and then not logout/login again? |
| 06:18.40 | quittt | no |
| 06:18.44 | quittt | numist, it is security |
| 06:18.47 | quittt | from it |
| 06:18.49 | somegirl | so am I |
| 06:18.53 | quittt | it is my password |
| 06:18.56 | quittt | not root password |
| 06:19.02 | cddesjar | what are you running? |
| 06:19.42 | karsten | !thursday |
| 06:19.42 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 06:19.51 | cddesjar | !moo |
| 06:19.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:20.08 | cddesjar | i sware abrotman must have made that |
| 06:20.13 | cddesjar | why is no one talking? |
| 06:20.17 | mzilikazi64 | or Dr Seuss |
| 06:20.19 | cddesjar | are they sleeping? |
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| 06:20.33 | nekostar | arg |
| 06:20.34 | cddesjar | mzilikazi64: you think Dr. Seuss would say 'methane gas comes out my ass' |
| 06:20.39 | cddesjar | i hope not |
| 06:20.56 | nekostar | anyone know what i could emerge in gentoo to burn a cd image so i can get this thing out of my system? |
| 06:21.01 | mzilikazi64 | maybe he drinks |
| 06:21.13 | mzilikazi64 | nekostar: cdrecord? |
| 06:21.18 | cddesjar | somegirl: so what's up? are you running sarge, etch, sid? |
| 06:21.21 | quittt | what is a good shell email program? |
| 06:21.26 | cddesjar | mutt |
| 06:21.36 | De_Mon_ | any i386 RaQ owners about? |
| 06:21.36 | nekostar | thanx mzilikazi64 |
| 06:21.37 | somegirl | hmm..what are you |
| 06:21.39 | mzilikazi64 | mutt kicks some butt |
| 06:21.41 | somegirl | lol |
| 06:21.50 | karsten | quittt: mutt, mailx, mail. |
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| 06:21.58 | cddesjar | i am human |
| 06:21.59 | nekostar | nope its not in there :/ |
| 06:22.00 | nekostar | arg |
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| 06:22.09 | cddesjar | !what are you |
| 06:22.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:22.12 | karsten | quittt: mutt == full screen, mailx/mail are more primitive. |
| 06:22.22 | somegirl | really??didn't see that coming |
| 06:22.26 | Eclipser | quittt, there's also pine |
| 06:22.30 | somegirl | same |
| 06:22.30 | karsten | !pine |
| 06:22.31 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 06:22.36 | cddesjar | i hear pine is evil |
| 06:22.46 | shah | jk'ko[' |
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| 06:23.06 | fooz | pine is the devil |
| 06:23.21 | stew | that might be going a bit far |
| 06:23.33 | karsten | cddesjar: No, RH is teh suck. |
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| 06:23.38 | Eclipser | !dsfg |
| 06:23.38 | dpkg | Do you mean DFSG? |
| 06:23.44 | Eclipser | !DSFG |
| 06:23.44 | dpkg | Do you mean DFSG? |
| 06:23.46 | Eclipser | ... |
| 06:24.04 | karsten | Eclipser: Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 06:24.04 | fooz | sony is actually the devil |
| 06:24.15 | stew | !no dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 06:24.15 | dpkg | i already had it that way, stew |
| 06:24.16 | karsten | Eclipser: ... as opposed to Debian Software-Free Guidelines |
| 06:24.29 | fooz | i should try and get a PSP compiler working and port something like NewOS to it |
| 06:24.36 | stew | oh |
| 06:24.37 | Eclipser | I find pine a fine piece of software :p |
| 06:24.46 | cddesjar | somegirl: do you run debian? |
| 06:24.59 | somegirl | no...why |
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| 06:25.16 | cddesjar | why are you in the debian chat room? |
| 06:25.29 | somegirl | because i wanted to check something |
| 06:25.33 | fooz | this is not a chat room |
| 06:25.38 | cddesjar | oops |
| 06:25.39 | cddesjar | sorry |
| 06:25.42 | cddesjar | debian irc |
| 06:25.46 | Sneaky_Bastard | :p |
| 06:25.51 | cddesjar | internat CHAT relay |
| 06:25.52 | cddesjar | btw |
| 06:25.55 | Sneaky_Bastard | IRC channel != AOL Chat Room |
| 06:26.23 | cddesjar | somegirl: what were you checking might i inquiry? |
| 06:27.00 | somegirl | well..I just wanted to see something..that someone told me something |
| 06:27.15 | karsten | somegirl: Don't go getting all specific on us or anything. |
| 06:27.21 | cddesjar | somegirl: huh? are you running linux? |
| 06:27.26 | cddesjar | karsten: ha ha |
| 06:27.36 | somegirl | what are you..I just wanted to see something' |
| 06:28.00 | somegirl | like I am really going to do something..whatever your thinking |
| 06:28.15 | cddesjar | what? |
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| 06:28.24 | wamphyri | lol |
| 06:28.31 | cddesjar | what the fuck is going on? |
| 06:28.43 | karsten | cddesjar: Diddly and squat. |
| 06:28.51 | somegirl | this is crazy.. |
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| 06:29.31 | cddesjar | why are you in here again? because you were looking for something..and you found something...and you are wondering what i am? |
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| 06:29.43 | cddesjar | but you're not going to do something...what i'm thinking |
| 06:29.43 | stew | cddesjar: why are you so concerned with why somegirl is here? |
| 06:30.05 | somegirl | yeah seriously |
| 06:30.06 | karsten | stew: /query dpkg chix0r |
| 06:30.11 | SimonRaven | karsten: hehe |
| 06:30.21 | wamphyri | no, no, no, i'm married |
| 06:30.30 | karsten | !comfort wamphyri |
| 06:30.33 | dpkg | There, there, wamphyri. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:30.37 | wamphyri | lol |
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| 06:30.51 | wamphyri | lemmi add happily married :) |
| 06:30.51 | cddesjar | stew: fair enough |
| 06:31.04 | SimonRaven | karsten: @bed foo |
| 06:31.07 | nrdb | I have a computer I changed from Fedora -> Debian, it does doesn't shutdown now by pressing the power button, can anyone help. |
| 06:31.11 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 06:31.18 | karsten | SimonRaven: ;-) |
| 06:31.25 | karsten | @bed cddesjar |
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| 06:31.50 | karsten | nrdb: Sounds like you may want to enable APM. |
| 06:31.53 | jm_ | nrdb: yes, many people can |
| 06:31.56 | deadcat | karsten: you know if its possible for me to pick up my package at the local ups center? |
| 06:32.01 | cddesjar | ravenbird: did you know i am an ecologist? |
| 06:32.02 | ravenbird | cddesjar: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:32.04 | stew | nrdb: does your machine support acpi? if so look at /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn |
| 06:32.13 | karsten | deadcat: You'll have to ... |
| 06:32.15 | cddesjar | ravenbirds a bot!!! |
| 06:32.22 | Phated | ... duh? |
| 06:32.30 | karsten | deadcat: ... modify your /etc/apt/sources.list to include the address of the UPS center. |
| 06:32.36 | cddesjar | i only thought dpkg hangs around out here |
| 06:32.42 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:32.50 | deadcat | karsten: i'm gonna kill you (= |
| 06:33.05 | karsten | cddesjar: dpkg, apt, ravenbird, and occasionally a few others. |
| 06:33.08 | nrdb | stew: there doesn't appear to be an 'etc/acpi' |
| 06:33.13 | karsten | deadcat: I'll enjoy watching you try. |
| 06:33.18 | deadcat | heheh |
| 06:33.21 | stew | nrdb: apt-get install acpid acpi |
| 06:33.22 | cddesjar | karsten: are there bot wars? |
| 06:33.22 | jm_ | you need APM/ACPi support in kernel and apmd/acpid |
| 06:33.30 | karsten | deadcat: Seriously, call UPS, tell 'em where you want to pick up the package, it'll generally get there w/in 24 hours. |
| 06:33.33 | cddesjar | ok...to bed for me |
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| 06:33.37 | stew | nrdb: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 06:34.01 | deadcat | karsten: i think my package is already at the local center, i just need to find which one. |
| 06:34.14 | karsten | deadcat: Do you have a tracking number? |
| 06:34.16 | deadcat | shit i should have call all of them up today. |
| 06:34.25 | deadcat | let me get it |
| 06:34.33 | karsten | deadcat: 800 # is 24/7. |
| 06:34.41 | nrdb | stew: "2.6.12..." |
| 06:34.57 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:35.06 | stew | thats an odd version string |
| 06:35.33 | stew | nrdb: is it "2.6.12" or "2.6.12-1-386" or something similar? |
| 06:35.35 | karsten | stew: No, odd would be 2.6.13... |
| 06:35.44 | wamphyri | nrdb, what irc client you using? |
| 06:35.50 | Phated | karsten: Or 2.7. |
| 06:36.55 | karsten | Phated: Actually, a truly odd Linux version number would be purple. |
| 06:37.07 | karsten | Phated: ... in that it's not a number, or any part of the Linux versioning protocol. |
| 06:37.13 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 06:38.47 | karsten | ... and it's also curiously my second favorite color. |
| 06:38.51 | TwistedEmotions | If I want to list all directories by their sizes... what would be the command |
| 06:38.53 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 06:38.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 06:38.58 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: du -s | sort -nr |
| 06:39.08 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ... Um. 'du -s *' |
| 06:39.20 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ... which will list files and directories, so sue me. |
| 06:39.27 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ... You might also want to look at filelight. |
| 06:39.41 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: ;) thanks |
| 06:39.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up |
| 06:40.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: aim or /msg |
| 06:40.50 | deadcat | k |
| 06:41.54 | jm_ | "du -sk *(/) | sort -n" in zsh |
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| 06:42.18 | POC1 | what is the oficial repository of debian |
| 06:42.23 | POC1 | for apt? |
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| 06:43.16 | jm_ | Debian mirrors |
| 06:43.21 | karsten | !mirrors |
| 06:43.21 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 06:43.24 | POC1 | nevermind i foindit |
| 06:43.38 | mage | hmmm |
| 06:43.39 | POC1 | found it |
| 06:43.53 | POC1 | thanks |
| 06:43.59 | mage | do any of the debian mirrors have like a round robin dns? |
| 06:43.59 | Eclipser | foindit :p |
| 06:44.29 | POC1 | XD |
| 06:44.51 | POC1 | i dont speak english |
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| 06:45.32 | karsten | mage: Some of the larger ones. Resolve them, should indicate this. Eg: http.us.debian.org has five targets. |
| 06:45.49 | karsten | !es |
| 06:45.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 06:46.37 | mage | ok thanks |
| 06:47.06 | lk30 | configurar 2 adsl para 5 lan |
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| 06:48.24 | stew | !es |
| 06:48.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:49.12 | lk30 | ? |
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| 06:52.05 | slawek1986 | czesc :) |
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| 06:53.42 | lk30 | configurar 2 adsl para 5 lan |
| 06:53.44 | lk30 | ? |
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| 06:55.44 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 06:55.51 | karsten | ... is that Coke w/o the aftertaste? |
| 06:56.05 | mrga | hi all need help |
| 06:56.19 | mrga | im new in linux |
| 06:56.21 | Coke | karsten: no, bitter at the back of your mouth. |
| 06:56.33 | Coke | karsten: and makes your nose go numb. |
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| 06:56.51 | mrga | how to go in destop |
| 06:57.00 | mrga | or grafik |
| 06:57.18 | Coke | mrga: you install Knoppix, Fedora or Mand(whatever mandrake is called these days) |
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| 06:57.58 | mfrisch | what's the virtual package for the compilers and make gcc |
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| 06:58.16 | mrga | whay ? |
| 06:58.36 | jm_ | build-essential |
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| 06:58.46 | jm_ | mrga: man startx or install a DM |
| 06:58.47 | mfrisch | jm thanks!! |
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| 06:59.21 | mrga | sorry what is command |
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| 06:59.44 | wamphyri | mrga, apt-get install wmaker |
| 06:59.57 | mrga | ths |
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| 07:00.21 | wamphyri | edit ~/.xinitrc add a line exec wmaker |
| 07:00.24 | wamphyri | the startx |
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| 07:00.35 | nrdb | stew: thanks for the help the computer is now turning itself off properly, had a brief lightning storm here and the power went out. |
| 07:00.36 | Coke | mrga: you should use an operating system you can handle, even with those commands you won't be able to start your desktop for at least another 8-X hours. |
| 07:00.57 | wamphyri | heh? |
| 07:01.04 | Coke | mrga: and you can't have people spoon feeding you commands every time you get stuck, you have to have the basic knowledge on how to get information yourself. |
| 07:01.05 | mrga | is that hard |
| 07:01.15 | Coke | mrga: no, it's not, but it requires that you know a thing or two. |
| 07:01.44 | wamphyri | basic knowledge of dos (muhahaha) |
| 07:01.45 | wamphyri | no |
| 07:01.47 | wamphyri | not |
| 07:01.53 | Coke | mrga: on the other hand, OS' like Knoppix and Fedora will give you a desktop by default which is usable by default. |
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| 07:02.06 | Coke | Debian is _not_ for beginners. |
| 07:02.18 | mrga | ok |
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| 07:02.34 | Coke | but you will be back here later when the all the automatic bullshit is starting to annoy you. |
| 07:02.39 | wamphyri | Coke, that i hafta agree with |
| 07:03.36 | GregorR | Coke: -aine or -a-Cola? |
| 07:03.42 | Coke | It's no loss losing a GNU/Linux rookie to Fedora, the more people know and the more skills they have, the more they want to use Debian. |
| 07:03.59 | lk30 | configurar 2 adsl para 5 lan |
| 07:04.00 | lk30 | ? |
| 07:04.19 | wamphyri | lk30, goto #debian-es |
| 07:04.21 | Coke | Maybe he'll think "oh, but I'm going gentoo, because i'm so fucking l337", but then he'll eventually go "oh, but I just want my computer to be stable and work" and BANG, back to Debian. |
| 07:04.31 | GregorR | Stupid Gentoo >_< |
| 07:04.36 | wamphyri | LOL |
| 07:04.44 | Coke | GregorR: your choice |
| 07:04.49 | GregorR | lol |
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| 07:05.54 | POC1 | anyone use patches for improve linux perfomance? |
| 07:06.01 | sshock_ | !help grab |
| 07:06.01 | Tony_Sidaway | Help message |
| 07:06.28 | idealbsd | i use proxycheck to check proxies with :proxycheck -vvv -t 60 -n -x -p hc: -c dsbl -d www.google.com:80 xxx.xxx..:xxx, some are time out and some are deny to access html, any suggestions? |
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| 07:14.26 | JmGV | hello |
| 07:14.43 | JmGV | do you know if exists any problem with KDE packages in SID? |
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| 07:15.06 | JmGV | it gives me some unresolved dependencies when i try to do apt-get install kde |
| 07:15.18 | JmGV | any known problem? |
| 07:15.39 | mhall | I'm doing a report on parallel computing. Who else makes "big box" 32-256 CPU beast systems besides HP, IBM, and Sun? |
| 07:15.59 | sshock_ | JmGV, sorry, no clue; I don't use kde much |
| 07:16.04 | mhall | And what companies are famous for Beowulf clusters and such? |
| 07:16.31 | JmGV | google knows it ;-) |
| 07:16.32 | sep | mhall, you must have heard of cray ? |
| 07:16.51 | mhall | sep: they're mostly in clusters now right? |
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| 07:17.03 | mhall | sep: i think they're doing mostly the node-based stuff |
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| 07:17.09 | aethera | hi all |
| 07:17.12 | sep | mhall, read their web |
| 07:17.27 | aethera | is there a apt-get command to remove all the packages on your system just leaving the base |
| 07:17.30 | aethera | ? |
| 07:17.52 | aethera | ie grub etc... |
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| 07:18.28 | sshock_ | aethera, not sure, but dpkg -l will show you what is currently installed |
| 07:18.49 | idealbsd | aethera, just do it by hand, which is more smart :) |
| 07:19.30 | sep | aethera, debfoster might aid you somewhat |
| 07:19.31 | jm_ | aethera: it's trivial to do it using dpkg-awk + xargs +apt-get/aptitude |
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| 07:19.50 | sshock_ | aethera, if you remove a low-level package that a lot of other packages depend on, it will remove them all at once |
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| 07:20.16 | JmGV | anybody have some dependencies problems in sid with kde packages? |
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| 07:21.23 | takatumi | JmGV: tried #debian-kde? |
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| 07:21.51 | JmGV | thanks |
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| 07:22.27 | grendal_prime | i did a brand new install on this laptop |
| 07:22.29 | fbhjr | having followed all the advice I could google, runing sid, visor and usbserial modules loaded, udev.rules line added...udev will not create /dev/pilot for me...udev.rules in sid has what is generally recommended...where is /dev/pilot when I press sync in the visor cradle? |
| 07:22.30 | grendal_prime | testing |
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| 07:22.33 | grendal_prime | its very cool |
| 07:22.44 | grendal_prime | but im rinning into some werid dependency issues |
| 07:22.54 | Berina | I was stupid ... I pressed CTRL + D by a mistake when I got a [Y / N] Question .... (while an installation) .... I think I disturbed libc6 ... whatever it is ..... and I run unstable .... Please help me anyway! |
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| 07:22.55 | Berina | http://sial.org/pbot/14724?ln=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
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| 07:23.13 | grendal_prime | something im sure to do with recent freeze of testing for stable move maybe? |
| 07:23.26 | Scrufdog | people that are awake |
| 07:23.47 | fbhjr | BUS=="usb", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", SYSFS{product}=="Palm Handheld*", SYMLINK+="pilot" .... no /dev/pilot gets made unless I make it, alas. any hints? |
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| 07:24.11 | sep | Berina, have you tried running "apt-get -f install" as the error suggests ? |
| 07:24.15 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all, sup? |
| 07:24.37 | Berina | sep, I was not sure if it is a real good idea ... so I prefered doing ust ... nothing |
| 07:24.44 | fbhjr | debian problems |
| 07:24.47 | Berina | sep, do you suggest doing install -f ? |
| 07:24.49 | Scrufdog | i just installed debian ppc on an iBook G3 and it went great except i seem to have picked the wrong chose for video, so i can get into the prompt ok, but any GUI is scrambled, what do I need to edit to try something else? |
| 07:24.52 | exobyte | how can I use sed to get the filename out of a url- I want only what's after the last / |
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| 07:25.18 | sep | Berina, sure. (you have backups right) :) |
| 07:25.27 | idealbsd | how to produce list environment in nanoblogger? |
| 07:25.30 | sep | !drxx |
| 07:25.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:25.54 | Berina | sep, no I don't have any backups and the system is very important |
| 07:26.28 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.28 | jm_ | exobyte: why not use basename? |
| 07:26.32 | sep | Berina, i'd know where i'd start (hint hint. take a backup) |
| 07:27.04 | grendal_prime | that comes from a package that is listed in testing...yet the kdelibs4 is not intesting? |
| 07:27.07 | exobyte | jm_: didn't know it exists |
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| 07:27.22 | Scrufdog | i just installed debian ppc on an iBook G3 and it went great except i seem to have picked the wrong chose for video, so i can get into the prompt ok, but any GUI is scrambled, what do I need to edit to try something else? |
| 07:27.27 | exobyte | jm_: thanks |
| 07:27.28 | Berina | sep: http://sial.org/pbot/14725 |
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| 07:27.35 | Berina | sep, please hold my hand now |
| 07:27.43 | Berina | sep, Y or N now? |
| 07:28.17 | sep | Berina, how should we know what you want ? are you pgrading from sarge to etch ? |
| 07:28.32 | grendal_prime | actually im wrong that comes from a stable package |
| 07:28.52 | sep | (if you tell me your running sid on a very important system im just going to laufh at you ) |
| 07:29.01 | takatumi | Scrufdog: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 07:29.05 | idealbsd | any know how to produce list and table environment in nanoblogger? |
| 07:29.25 | grendal_prime | what the hell is nanoblogger? |
| 07:30.02 | ttick | Anyone know a command line utility to turn a bunch of 2meg jpegs into 30k jpegs? Just quick and dirty? |
| 07:30.04 | Berina | sep, I wanted to install xpdf ... how you can see in my first posting, and while the installation it asked me this glibc question about updating and estarting services |
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| 07:30.13 | ttick | need to do a bunch of them. |
| 07:30.14 | idealbsd | grendal_prime, http://nanoblogger.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:30.31 | Berina | if I choose Y .... what will happen? wll my X get lost? will all the services come back when I restart? |
| 07:30.42 | Berina | Or do I need to know what services I have to restart manually? |
| 07:30.46 | Berina | @sep |
| 07:30.46 | ravenbird | rumour has it, sep is Somebody-Else's-Problem, a concept invented by Douglas Adams. Extremely weird things inherently generate an SEP-field around themselves, thus becoming invisible |
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| 07:31.01 | liable | ttick: imagemagick |
| 07:31.06 | grendal_prime | ttick, i think there is actually a kde app that does that... |
| 07:31.21 | grendal_prime | using like jpeg tools on the backend of course |
| 07:31.25 | ttick | thanks guys. |
| 07:31.41 | sep | Berina, debian usualy restarts the services. but i have allways felt more comfortable doing a reboot after a libc upgrade, since it's not something you do on a whim |
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| 07:32.06 | liable | ttick: nice howto here.. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-graf/?ca=dnt-428 |
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| 07:32.40 | Berina | sep, so I choose Y .... but it tells me I need to stop "kdm" first .... how may I do this? and if I stop "kdm" ... will I loose the connection to X immidiatly? |
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| 07:32.52 | sep | Berina, yes |
| 07:32.59 | grendal_prime | liable, i got a stable package that will not install in a testing enviro...is that unusual? |
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| 07:33.15 | Berina | so I should better do it from the command line |
| 07:33.16 | sep | Berina, /etc/init.d/kdm stop, |
| 07:33.24 | Berina | sep, but then I have no X ! |
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| 07:33.37 | liable | grendal_prime: guess it depends on its depends. |
| 07:33.38 | GregorR | X is for pansies anyway :P |
| 07:33.46 | sep | Berina, libc is a very serious upgrade you would never do that from X anyway |
| 07:33.48 | Phated | And this is why you use screen(1). |
| 07:33.52 | grendal_prime | x is for wimps |
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| 07:34.08 | GregorR | Nobody VERSION me :P |
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| 07:34.17 | grendal_prime | liable...its Konqspeak......its for the kids machine... |
| 07:34.17 | sep | Berina, are you running sid ? i think you should consider sarge instead it's made for 'very important' systems |
| 07:34.20 | liable | guess i'm a wimp :) |
| 07:34.25 | grendal_prime | they use it to read them storys |
| 07:34.36 | sep | and wont upgrade libc when you want xpdf :) |
| 07:34.44 | ttick | heh, pretty haughty of imagemagick, calling their executable "convert". |
| 07:34.48 | grendal_prime | pretty cool but well does not want to run on new testing |
| 07:35.01 | GregorR | ttick: Yeah, like there's no other conversions of any other file types. |
| 07:35.07 | Berina | sep, Can I tell libc6 "no I don't wanna hav you any more" ? |
| 07:35.24 | GregorR | Somebody should write a GIANT script that converts from all sorts of formats (like .odt to .png :P), and call THAT convert. |
| 07:35.30 | sep | Berina, you could.... but you woudnt want to :) |
| 07:35.40 | Berina | because I already begun the mess by the try installing xpdf . |
| 07:35.41 | sep | youd sit with a nonfunctional toster |
| 07:35.45 | Berina | why don't I want? |
| 07:35.50 | Berina | ok |
| 07:35.52 | idealbsd | any know how to produce list and table environment in nanoblogger? |
| 07:35.52 | Scrufdog | any recommendations on video card and resolution on an iBook G3? |
| 07:35.56 | Berina | I go to the command line now |
| 07:36.11 | grendal_prime | ideal, what backend does it use? |
| 07:36.18 | grendal_prime | or does it use flatfiles |
| 07:36.26 | sep | Berina, since your allready in the mess stop kdm ; apt-get -y install ; say Y; reboot ; pray to $deity |
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| 07:36.38 | grendal_prime | COMMAND LINE? |
| 07:36.48 | grendal_prime | WHAT the fk is a command line? |
| 07:36.53 | grendal_prime | you man a terminal? |
| 07:36.57 | grendal_prime | mean |
| 07:37.11 | sep | Berina, and try and figure out what your running cat /etc/debian_version, and if it say unstable on your very important system... you need to think about what your doing. |
| 07:37.36 | sep | grendal_prime, or a console |
| 07:38.03 | grendal_prime | ack!!! but there are no clickety things to tell me what my options are!!!! |
| 07:38.15 | sep | grendal_prime, use the man pages |
| 07:38.33 | grendal_prime | what in gods name would i do with the mouse that is connected to the computer...."bitting nails" |
| 07:38.39 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:39.00 | grendal_prime | sep i maintain over 15 server/routers...via ssh |
| 07:39.06 | grendal_prime | im kidding |
| 07:39.39 | pitillo | in sid, the version displayed by /etc/debian_version is only unstable? |
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| 07:39.50 | grendal_prime | the other techs think im crazy...but i can work on the things from my wireless Zaurus wile laying in the hammock in my front yard |
| 07:40.15 | pitillo | or can be testing/unstable? |
| 07:40.38 | Bogaurd | my vsftpd has local user logins enabled, but it only lets one user login! any idea why? |
| 07:41.00 | grendal_prime | one key? |
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| 07:41.20 | sep | grendal_prime, i have seen you here before you know, just to tiered to starty working yet... |
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| 07:41.52 | grendal_prime | if it is using keys on login you will need to make sure set key so it can be reused |
| 07:42.13 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how cani create a 2gig empty .img file? |
| 07:42.20 | sep | Bogaurd, the error the other users get when trying to login might help... |
| 07:42.36 | Bogaurd | sep: it says that the password is invalid. |
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| 07:44.41 | ChrisBradley | fireba11 I have a treat for you |
| 07:44.50 | fireba11 | morning |
| 07:44.55 | ChrisBradley | want to meet someone? |
| 07:45.00 | fireba11 | hm? |
| 07:45.09 | ChrisBradley | a SETI subject |
| 07:45.17 | aethera | what is the package for the kernel source |
| 07:45.17 | aethera | ? |
| 07:45.23 | sep | LinuxNIT-laptop, use you could use something like... dd bs=1M count=2000 /dev/zero of=/file/name.img (man dd) |
| 07:45.51 | cheal | aethera: which release, which version? |
| 07:45.52 | fireba11 | aethera: kernel-image .. if the new ones in etch linux-image |
| 07:45.54 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok thanks |
| 07:46.02 | beardy | aethera: kernel-source-version, or if etch or sid, linux-source-version |
| 07:46.02 | aethera | sarge |
| 07:46.07 | fireba11 | ChrisBradley: now im curious |
| 07:46.08 | cheal | fireba11: that's not the kernel source |
| 07:46.17 | beardy | aethera: kernel-source-2.x.x |
| 07:46.17 | cheal | aethera: kernel-source-2.something |
| 07:46.39 | fireba11 | ah .. my bad .. did missread |
| 07:46.42 | fireba11 | it |
| 07:46.50 | sep | Bogaurd, i woudnt know. but i'd start with comparing the users that can and the user that can't in /etc/passwd, verify the passord is right, check vsftpd.conf and check pam config. |
| 07:47.24 | ChrisBradley | fireba11 I'll send you an invite |
| 07:47.35 | Bogaurd | sep: checked all that. its only one user that can, the others cant =( |
| 07:48.05 | sep | Bogaurd, check group membership ? |
| 07:48.10 | aethera | how big is the average debian mirror? |
| 07:48.14 | aethera | I want to download one |
| 07:48.28 | Bogaurd | sep: group membership? |
| 07:48.32 | aethera | basicly make a mirror in our office |
| 07:48.47 | litage | is it possible to change the font size/# of rows and columns for a tty? the font on tty's 1-6 are huge and can barely fit anything on the screen, but the consoles when booted into knoppix are about half the size |
| 07:49.45 | liable | litage: thats a framebuffer vga option |
| 07:50.09 | aethera | whats the best console based browser? |
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| 07:50.28 | aethera | w3m or link2? |
| 07:50.33 | idealbsd | aethera, w3m |
| 07:50.33 | mage | aethera: telnet |
| 07:50.38 | cheal | aethera: about 158GiB |
| 07:50.45 | litage | liable: do you know of any docs that discuss this topic? |
| 07:50.46 | aethera | cheal thanks mate |
| 07:51.04 | aethera | idealbsd w3m does not allow me to login to my gmail account |
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| 07:51.23 | jm_ | litage: it is |
| 07:51.30 | liable | litage: not of the top of my head. |
| 07:52.00 | jm_ | litage: three options -- a) FB (read fb kernel docs), b) vga= parameter, c) stm |
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| 07:52.11 | litage | jm_: stm? |
| 07:52.23 | jm_ | litage: ;) /msg dpkg search |
| 07:52.37 | idealbsd | aethera, https://gmail.google.com |
| 07:52.52 | litage | jm_: k. didn't know if it was a package or saying or whatnot |
| 07:53.17 | aethera | idealbsd I prefer elinks |
| 07:53.18 | jm_ | litage: yeah it's a command, package name is much longer |
| 07:53.30 | POC1 | when i do an apt-get upgrade where the files get downloaded? |
| 07:53.46 | jm_ | POC1: man apt-get |
| 07:53.53 | aethera | ok now to get my mouse working in console |
| 07:54.04 | jm_ | gpm will do that |
| 07:54.06 | idealbsd | aethera, :) |
| 07:54.21 | aethera | idealbsd can I pm please?? |
| 07:54.29 | ChrisBradley | fireba11 you have the invite |
| 07:54.38 | idealbsd | aethera, ok |
| 07:54.51 | fireba11 | ChrisBradley: i do ? |
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| 07:55.16 | POC1 | if i want install debian with latest security updates? |
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| 07:55.39 | fireba11 | POC1: what about it ? |
| 07:56.30 | jm_ | POC1: /msg dpkg security |
| 07:56.32 | POC1 | i want the last security updates get installed from the begining |
| 07:56.47 | POC1 | on other pc |
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| 07:58.40 | POC1 | say i got 5 pc and i want to install debian and dont want to do apt-get update |
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| 07:59.20 | jm_ | use a proxy, apt-zip, apt-proxy, create a repository on one machine - it's not like there's only one option |
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| 08:00.41 | POC1 | but can't create a cd with all those stuff? |
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| 08:03.12 | sep | POC1, read http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianCustomCD |
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| 08:03.14 | Berina | hi |
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| 08:03.51 | Berina | When I use Debian Sarge - is it a problem to get the X server and the Sound System work on VMWARE ? |
| 08:04.19 | grendal_prime | apt-proxy is pretty damn cool |
| 08:04.42 | grendal_prime | Berina...what in the hell are you doing ....exactly? |
| 08:04.44 | sep | Berina, debian on vmware or vmware on debian ? |
| 08:04.58 | Berina | sep, debian on vmware |
| 08:05.18 | Berina | sep, so Windows XP is the host |
| 08:05.25 | Berina | vmware is installed on Win XP |
| 08:05.29 | Berina | and vmware runs Debian |
| 08:05.31 | sep | Berina, i only run console i woudnt know, X works, sound i have no idea about |
| 08:05.39 | grendal_prime | you need to run windoes......just build a testing machine...and then setup qemu its like a 20 min setup |
| 08:05.41 | loxley_ | Berina: xserver is no problem |
| 08:05.42 | aethera | sep you only use console? |
| 08:05.48 | sep | Berina, requires the vmware-tools ofcouse |
| 08:05.48 | Berina | loxley_, and sound? |
| 08:06.12 | loxley_ | Berina: never wanted sound in a debian vmware install :) |
| 08:06.14 | sep | aethera, on the debians that run on vmware yes. on my workstation i use X but that dosnt run vmware at all |
| 08:06.24 | aethera | sep I am moving to console |
| 08:06.25 | aethera | :) |
| 08:06.29 | aethera | not wanting to use X |
| 08:06.32 | sep | aethera, i dont have mouse/keyboar or screen connected to any debian server |
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| 08:06.55 | sep | aethera, only on the initial install, everything else done tru ssh |
| 08:07.05 | aethera | cool mate |
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| 08:07.38 | grendal_prime | sep...ya...and then you can manage them from your zaurs pda in the front yard..from the hammock |
| 08:07.39 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 08:07.47 | grendal_prime | thats my favorite part |
| 08:08.06 | selfcontr0l | anyone able to help me trace down a compiling error? |
| 08:08.20 | sep | grendal_prime, lol basicaly yes. but i dont have a zaurus i only have a lappie |
| 08:08.27 | selfcontr0l | i'm trying to make nzbget-0.2.3 |
| 08:08.59 | aethera | selfcontr0l whats the error |
| 08:09.01 | selfcontr0l | or if anyone has any other suggestions for utilizing .nzb files |
| 08:09.17 | sep | grendal_prime, but i also manage 2-3 w2k3 and 5-6 w2k and those take _way_ more time and effort then the debians |
| 08:09.18 | selfcontr0l | uulib.c:268: error: conflicting types for `UUMessage' |
| 08:09.51 | sep | and remote desktop is so tiny on a pda :P |
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| 08:10.16 | selfcontr0l | the line right before is : |
| 08:10.28 | selfcontr0l | gcc -c -Wall -g -O0 -pipe -I. -I. -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/g++ -I/usr/include/libxml2 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DVERSION=\"@VERSION@\" -DPATCH=\"@PATCH@\" uulib.c |
| 08:10.33 | grendal_prime | dude... sep you got to check these out zaurus 5500's they are selling for like 170 bucks on ebay now...used but refurbished, that includes shipping. you can fenagle them to run from an sd 512 meg card... |
| 08:10.37 | selfcontr0l | so i don't really know where to go from there |
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| 08:11.24 | POC1 | anyone have compile eagle-usb in linux-2.6 |
| 08:11.28 | POC1 | ??? |
| 08:11.29 | grendal_prime | the entire os ..Openzaurus on one card..you can back it up the entire machine with a drag and drop..swap out the front end for ither qt opie or gpe x desktop |
| 08:11.36 | selfcontr0l | the only thing i can think of is the g++ and the libxml2 are conflicting |
| 08:11.47 | sep | grendal_prime, wee reak keyboard ? :) |
| 08:11.53 | al462_04 | how can i disable the console frame buffer?i hate this high color modes in console .. |
| 08:12.00 | grendal_prime | has a keyboard on it |
| 08:12.00 | sep | s/reak/real/ |
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| 08:12.06 | sep | saw |
| 08:12.17 | grendal_prime | and you can buy one that it plugs into as well |
| 08:12.36 | grendal_prime | they make newer ones that are much nicer...but the 5500's dirt cheep |
| 08:12.41 | beardy | al462_04: append video=vga16:off to the kernel at boot (think that is the line..) |
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| 08:13.00 | al462_04 | beardy ye`p thanks |
| 08:13.06 | grendal_prime | and they work well as a pim, i can even connect to the vnc servers on the windows machines |
| 08:13.49 | sep | grendal_prime, a lot ligther on /vacation/ then the laptop |
| 08:13.58 | grendal_prime | and the really cool part you can fire up the vncserver on the zaurus itself..then you just run it right from your full blown workstation, your laptop or whatever |
| 08:14.12 | grendal_prime | ya...thing fits in the top pocket of my motocycle jacket |
| 08:14.21 | grendal_prime | im gettin a gps cf for it |
| 08:14.36 | grendal_prime | im a pilot so its nice to have a backup gps |
| 08:14.44 | grendal_prime | and the sofware is free |
| 08:14.55 | grendal_prime | the os is a debian derrivitave |
| 08:15.04 | grendal_prime | for the arm proc |
| 08:15.06 | sep | cool. could use it to store data for openstreetmap then even.. |
| 08:15.20 | grendal_prime | probably |
| 08:15.29 | grendal_prime | i beat the crap out of mine for about a week |
| 08:16.15 | grendal_prime | i bought two 512 sd cards for it..moved the root to the sd cards...so i got 10 times what the os was made to work with ...storage wise that is |
| 08:16.31 | grendal_prime | one has a stable...working os...the other i test shit on |
| 08:16.33 | grendal_prime | its nice |
| 08:16.35 | beardy | dpkg: nofb is <reply> Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer. |
| 08:16.36 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
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| 08:16.44 | grendal_prime | power down...pot it out pot in the testing card... |
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| 08:17.33 | grendal_prime | but i kid you not for the maint stuff it totally rocks...i can check up on the servers from starbucks... |
| 08:17.34 | sep | grendal_prime, humm nothing on qxl (norwegian ebay) |
| 08:17.47 | grendal_prime | zaurus |
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| 08:18.02 | grendal_prime | people forget the first u sometimes |
| 08:18.22 | ArtVandalae | Is there a tool that'll allow me to split 1PDF, into 2 seperate PDFs, I've tried Googling but most of the results come back as Windows proprietory programs |
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| 08:18.30 | grendal_prime | i hear the 1300s are reallllly cool...clamshell design bigger keyboard |
| 08:18.41 | grendal_prime | micro 5gig drive |
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| 08:19.02 | grendal_prime | but..you know 800 bucks or so...i could nt pass up the 170 dollar deal i got |
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| 08:19.19 | secher | Heyas all. I'm trying to start x and I'm getting booted out with the error warning font renderer already registered for "whateverfont" at priority "0" any ideas how to fix this? |
| 08:19.20 | grendal_prime | but im probably gonna nail a 1300 this year and give he 5500 to my wife |
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| 08:20.11 | grendal_prime | secher, i dont think thats whats bouncing you..that is just a warning i believe |
| 08:20.38 | secher | Hrm.. not good, cause that's the only error that |
| 08:20.42 | secher | s popping up. |
| 08:20.42 | jm_ | no it's not |
| 08:20.47 | grendal_prime | look at your /var/log |
| 08:21.08 | grendal_prime | that is an actual error jm_ ? |
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| 08:21.25 | jm_ | grendal_prime: no, it was a reply to "<secher> Hrm.. not good, cause that's the only error that" |
| 08:21.54 | grendal_prime | ya i think he needs to look at his log...xorg.0.log ? |
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| 08:23.08 | grendal_prime | oops should we tell him that...or should be be elitests and explain that only certain low level scumm are privy to things in the var/log dir? |
| 08:23.31 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 08:24.14 | blondie|bed | ROO |
| 08:24.19 | jm_ | !X logfile |
| 08:24.19 | dpkg | somebody said x logfile was /var/log/XFree86.*.log (or /var/log/Xorg.*.log) or "startx &> myxlog" and check myxlog afterwards (this might not work with if you use some weird shell) |
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| 08:24.45 | ircdevil | møjn |
| 08:25.01 | blondie|bed | ircdevil: pardon? |
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| 08:25.09 | ircdevil | how to abbriviate assosiate professor |
| 08:25.18 | blondie|bed | what? |
| 08:25.32 | ircdevil | blondie|bed: go to bed :o) |
| 08:25.32 | blondie|bed | was that a question? |
| 08:25.37 | blondie|bed | no, I just got up |
| 08:25.50 | ircdevil | o_O |
| 08:25.57 | secher | that's so odd.. at root, I can load X, but not as a user.. permissions problem? |
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| 08:26.18 | beardy | ircdevil: Do you know which channel you are in? |
| 08:26.31 | grendal_prime | kinda weird secher |
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| 08:26.36 | secher | There are *no* errors, I grepped through all of /var/log for error, got 0 return. |
| 08:26.43 | beardy | secher: "load x" how? |
| 08:26.47 | blondie | "how to" does not a question make |
| 08:26.48 | secher | startx |
| 08:27.18 | grendal_prime | secher, nothing in the....you using xfree or xorg? |
| 08:27.24 | secher | ircdevil: assoc. prof. |
| 08:27.27 | secher | xorg |
| 08:27.29 | beardy | secher: Yes, that's odd. |
| 08:28.10 | secher | I"m wondering.. one sec.. wonder if I build .xsession for user as root.. one sec. |
| 08:28.21 | grendal_prime | look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:29.45 | aethera | idealbsd |
| 08:29.53 | grendal_prime | i really like this testing install |
| 08:29.58 | grendal_prime | its just damn fast |
| 08:29.59 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 08:30.07 | idealbsd | aethera, hi |
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| 08:30.26 | grendal_prime | cant wait tell they get the rest of the usual crap moved in |
| 08:30.35 | grendal_prime | like the kong-speaker |
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| 08:31.23 | YouCeyE | kde packages broken in etch? |
| 08:31.26 | secher | Duh!! I misspelled enlightenment. |
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| 08:31.38 | neil_dugan | Hi I have installed xine, how do I play comercial DVDs? |
| 08:31.44 | secher | Thanks all. Sorry to bother with such a insipid question. |
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| 08:32.02 | YouCeyE | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:32.02 | YouCeyE | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.02 | YouCeyE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:32.20 | grendal_prime | hehehe secher thats funny...nice to find but funny |
| 08:32.35 | grendal_prime | ive done it a frew..ahum..times myself |
| 08:33.29 | triumph | hello all, trying to get tomcat5 working on debian. i have downloaded and installed the packages, but when i try to enter http://localhost in my web browser, i get a connection refused error message. i have looked at server.xml and it seems that the port spesified there is 8005. i tried http://localhost:8005 as well but no luck. any ideas? |
| 08:33.51 | sep | neil_dugan, /msg dpkg dvd and read on from there |
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| 08:34.07 | Helios | Good morning to everyone |
| 08:34.22 | neil_dugan | msg dpkg dvd |
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| 08:36.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:36.19 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 08:36.28 | tarzeau | does someone know what the numbers mean in /proc/devices ? |
| 08:37.23 | tarzeau | ah |
| 08:37.30 | tarzeau | found it /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 08:37.35 | aethera | hi guys |
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| 08:38.32 | beardy | tarzeau: Is it short? Tell us :) |
| 08:38.52 | tarzeau | beardy: -rw-r--r-- 1 573 573 97855 Feb 18 2004 devices.txt |
| 08:39.04 | tarzeau | for sure ibm pc bios sucks ass. |
| 08:39.14 | tarzeau | because one has to configure the floppy drive is in or not manually |
| 08:39.33 | beardy | tarzeau: What they meant, I meant.. |
| 08:39.52 | beardy | s/meant/mean |
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| 08:40.39 | grendal_prime | YouCeyE, there are a lot of problems in testing right now due to the huge freeze that took place when they moved soooo many packages into stable... |
| 08:41.01 | grendal_prime | damn it i got to fly in the morning...need to crash |
| 08:41.03 | YouCeyE | thanks GregorR |
| 08:41.05 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:41.07 | YouCeyE | grendal_prime |
| 08:41.18 | YouCeyE | so whats the best solution |
| 08:41.24 | grendal_prime | wait |
| 08:41.31 | grendal_prime | you are using testing? |
| 08:41.34 | YouCeyE | yes |
| 08:42.24 | grendal_prime | ya...believe it or not im choosing to just wait for awile..you can try and throw a unstable repository in there..but if its a kde app it will want to upgrade your kde to like....well unstable basically |
| 08:42.27 | sep | grendal_prime, are one of the problems xorg crashing ? |
| 08:42.48 | grendal_prime | which..well you know once you are there you are there..there aint any going back |
| 08:43.04 | grendal_prime | xorg in tesitinig is rock solid on my laptop |
| 08:43.13 | grendal_prime | dell 1100 |
| 08:43.17 | sep | grendal_prime, crashes 5+ times a day on my desktop |
| 08:43.18 | blondie | testitinig |
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| 08:43.23 | Madeye | guys, i'm getting new laptop, so I'm little confused buyer now heh, which you think is best for ubuntu and linux in general? IBM thinkpad, Toshiba Satelite, Fujitsu siemens. |
| 08:43.42 | sep | but stable on my older boxes (this is some horrible new hardware) |
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| 08:43.59 | tarzeau | beardy: i don't quite get it. |
| 08:44.03 | tarzeau | beardy: it's a mess |
| 08:44.04 | grendal_prime | i like ibms, but this is not #ubuntu |
| 08:44.19 | tarzeau | beardy: Last revised: 3 June 2001 from 2.4.31 |
| 08:44.32 | tarzeau | beardy: crappy documentation, need to check the source |
| 08:45.02 | grendal_prime | sep...i have an ati radeon in the kids machine |
| 08:45.40 | aethera | lo |
| 08:45.40 | grendal_prime | it was bitch with hanging....gl stuff mostly would cause it...i got the drivers from ati...thing has been up for weeks now...i even put xplane on that box.. |
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| 08:46.17 | sep | grendal_prime, iv been trying nvidia, nv, vesa drivers on this one each crash, now im trying dfferent nvagp settings |
| 08:46.17 | grendal_prime | and that thing is a pent 3-800 and it screams... |
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| 08:48.23 | grendal_prime | by the way incase anyone wants a good hardware combo...i got theis compaq deskpro workstation...from ebay i think...was like 100 bucks...and it worked good. I put that radeon card in it the thing is so damfast . i m totally amazed..and really reliable |
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| 08:49.08 | aethera | grr |
| 08:49.12 | grendal_prime | my 4 yold daught uses it every day...and the thing never crashes |
| 08:49.13 | aethera | my connnection is laggin |
| 08:49.23 | grendal_prime | see ya guys... |
| 08:50.50 | beardy | tarzeau: looked at it a bit, I don't really get it either.. |
| 08:51.09 | neil_dugan | I am using trying to get xine to play a DVD I have libdvdcss installed and /dev/dvd points to the correct place, what else could it be? |
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| 08:52.17 | aethera | :P |
| 08:52.19 | tarzeau | beardy: linux is dead |
| 08:52.25 | beardy | neil_dugan: Tell us what happens when you try, errors and such. |
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| 08:53.01 | aethera | hmmm |
| 08:53.15 | aethera | anyone got a direct download link for the opera sarge deb |
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| 08:53.20 | aethera | w3m is not liking me much |
| 08:53.48 | KerPlunk_ | !tell aethera about opera |
| 08:53.48 | skip_ | apparently hddtemp won't read SMART info from scsi devices. Is there another way of reading SMART info from an external USB HDD (/dev/sda)? |
| 08:54.25 | sven | and in /proc perhaps ? |
| 08:54.28 | aethera | KerPlunk_ dont you understand |
| 08:54.31 | neil_dugan | beardy: it is saying that 'PCM is allready in use'??? |
| 08:54.33 | aethera | I can not browse there |
| 08:54.53 | KerPlunk_ | aethera: ftp opera.comm |
| 08:54.59 | KerPlunk_ | aethera: Or apt-get install elinks |
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| 08:56.12 | beardy | neil_dugan: It wants to output sound, and something else is already doing that, and you haven't got a real soundcard, or not using a sound daemon? |
| 08:56.56 | neil_dugan | beardy: maybe I need to configure it differently, I will look at that. |
| 08:57.02 | Berina | boaaaaaah diese dumme Mauuuuuuuuuussssssss!!!!!! Immer *krscht, krscht, raschel, raschel* |
| 08:57.04 | sven | skip_, cat /proc/ide/hda/smart_values, i think it is possible to do the same with scsi. dont have hdd like it now. cant help anymore |
| 08:57.37 | beardy | neil_dugan: Check if you have something else that uses sound running. |
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| 08:58.06 | sven | cat /proc/scsi/device_info |grep SMART at the limit |
| 08:58.17 | neil_dugan | beardy: only KDE is using sound at the moment. |
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| 08:59.52 | neil_dugan | beardy: got to go dinner is on the table. |
| 09:01.14 | skip_ | sven: that returns 'USB2.0' 'SMARTMEDIA/XD' 0x2 |
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| 09:02.00 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone know of a free standalone partitioner? |
| 09:02.49 | caphuso | LinuxNIT-laptop: any random linux live CD? a parted boot disk? a debian installer CD? |
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| 09:03.40 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i tried the live cds and they one they use (forget its name) always locks up on me |
| 09:03.51 | skip_ | qparted? |
| 09:03.53 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i wnat to be able to resize. |
| 09:03.57 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yeah that one |
| 09:04.01 | skip_ | sorry...qtparted |
| 09:04.07 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yah |
| 09:04.15 | LinuxNIT-laptop | it always freezes on me |
| 09:04.33 | skip_ | I used to use the mandrake installation cd, then reboot after the partitioning and formatting options |
| 09:04.42 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i like gparted but it dosent come on the live cds |
| 09:05.17 | LinuxNIT-laptop | can you do partitions without setting a / partition to be formated for install? |
| 09:05.32 | skip_ | yes |
| 09:05.35 | LinuxNIT-laptop | cool |
| 09:05.36 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks |
| 09:05.52 | skip_ | the trick is rebooting the PC straight after formatting the partitions |
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| 09:06.14 | LinuxNIT-laptop | but thats a lot to download :) is there not just a standalone partitioner out there? |
| 09:06.27 | skip_ | sorry, I don't know |
| 09:06.29 | LinuxNIT-laptop | im on dsl for one thing |
| 09:06.31 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 09:06.38 | aethera | how do you install .deb files? |
| 09:06.40 | LinuxNIT-laptop | well thanks i appreciate it |
| 09:06.50 | skip_ | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 09:06.56 | beardy | aethera: man dpkg |
| 09:07.09 | LinuxNIT-laptop | wow that sounds painful |
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| 09:07.15 | beardy | indeed |
| 09:07.19 | ugunter | ji there |
| 09:08.31 | aethera | opera tells me I must install motif? |
| 09:08.54 | aethera | ok |
| 09:09.05 | aethera | Please install Motif. |
| 09:09.13 | aethera | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.41 | beardy | aethera: libmotif3 |
| 09:11.35 | aethera | E: Couldn't find package libmotif3 |
| 09:12.08 | beardy | aethera: What are you running? |
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| 09:12.41 | aethera | sarge |
| 09:13.03 | beardy | aethera: It's there. I think you are running etch. |
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| 09:13.15 | aethera | etch? |
| 09:13.26 | beardy | aethera: testing |
| 09:13.47 | sep | aethera, dpkg -i dont automaticaly install dependencies you must apt-get install ibmotif3 before dpkg -i |
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| 09:14.23 | aethera | sep I dont have libmotif3 |
| 09:14.50 | beardy | aethera: 'apt-get install libmotif3' ... |
| 09:15.57 | fireba11 | is there a channel dedicated to routing stuff ? am a bit confused right now and could use ssome hlep :-) |
| 09:17.25 | beardy | fireba11: /msg chanserv help ? |
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| 09:18.13 | fireba11 | beardy: and what good would that do ? |
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| 09:18.29 | bronaugh | any ETA for FF 1.5 in Sid? |
| 09:18.37 | beardy | fireba11: Help you to search for a channel. |
| 09:18.57 | neil_dugan | pitillo: Still get the error ">>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<" |
| 09:20.09 | aethera | E: Couldn't find package libmotif3 |
| 09:20.34 | neil_dugan | beardy: I am back, sorry for the delay. I tried to configure Xine to us alsa but it didn't seem to make any difference. |
| 09:20.48 | aethera | beardy |
| 09:20.53 | beardy | aethera: 'cat /etc/debian_version' paste it here please. |
| 09:21.13 | aethera | jeanre@weblifejsx:~/.fluxbox/styles$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:21.15 | aethera | 3.1 |
| 09:22.25 | aethera | beardy ? |
| 09:22.43 | bronaugh | guess no one's feeling talkative about Firefox. OK. |
| 09:22.46 | beardy | aethera: libmotif3 is available on sarge and sid, but not in etch. Do an 'apt-get update' and try 'apt-get install libmotif3' again. |
| 09:23.02 | aethera | I did |
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| 09:23.13 | aethera | lesstif2 - OSF/Motif 2.1 implementation released under LGPL |
| 09:23.28 | aethera | is the only packages I have |
| 09:23.31 | aethera | that look simaler |
| 09:23.43 | beardy | Perhaps it's in nonfree.. |
| 09:23.45 | pitillo | neil_dugan, , are you using kde? |
| 09:23.56 | neil_dugan | pitillo: yes |
| 09:24.08 | aethera | beardy how do I enable those? |
| 09:24.09 | beardy | aethera: ah, yes, itäs in non-free |
| 09:24.13 | beardy | !non-free |
| 09:24.13 | dpkg | non-free is probably always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
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| 09:25.05 | pitillo | neil_dugan, in preferences -> sound -> sound system, Wath system are you using? |
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| 09:26.18 | beardy | aethera: Edit sources.list, add 'contrib non-free' at the end of the line, or lines. |
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| 09:26.36 | aethera | done |
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| 09:26.54 | beardy | aethera: and update, then it'll be there |
| 09:27.45 | neil_dugan | pitillo: there is no menu "preferences", and I didn't find any "sound system" in another menu. |
| 09:28.04 | karsten | If I've got a process running from a deleted file (think rootkit) is there any way to recover the file so long as the process is still running? |
| 09:28.22 | karsten | I can get teh inode from lsof |
| 09:28.37 | pitillo | neil_dugan, in K-menu -> preferences |
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| 09:30.07 | neil_dugan | pitillo: No K-menu -> preferences |
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| 09:31.09 | pitillo | neil_dugan, then I don?t know where you can change it... |
| 09:31.27 | pipistrula | {§{§{§{§{§{§{§ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa §}§}§}§}§}§}§} |
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| 09:33.06 | aethera | anyone here use chbg? |
| 09:33.32 | karsten | AtnNn: Not usually, typically use my WM's background management. |
| 09:33.46 | dondelelcaro | aethera: just ask your question; although, I don't know why you wouldn't just use xsetbg |
| 09:33.59 | neil_dugan | pitillo: I will try a full reset and see if that makes any difference. |
| 09:34.08 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ^^ any ideas for scoping this rootkit? |
| 09:34.24 | dondelelcaro | karsten: which rootkit? |
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| 09:34.25 | aethera | dondelelcaro I dont have xsetbg |
| 09:35.05 | dondelelcaro | aethera: it's in xloadimage, which has xview... anyway, use whatever you're comfortable with. |
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| 09:35.58 | dondelelcaro | karsten: just dump /proc/<pid>/mem |
| 09:36.18 | notle | Bom dia |
| 09:36.35 | aethera | dondelelcaro how do I scale the background |
| 09:36.51 | dondelelcaro | aethera: with -scale |
| 09:37.09 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I'll have to have the admin do it, I don't have local root. |
| 09:37.28 | dondelelcaro | karsten: if the box has been rooted, you pretty much have to have the admin look at it. |
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| 09:37.35 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Is there any way to grab the file itself? Bytes are still on disk, right? |
| 09:37.41 | aethera | jeanre@weblifejsx:~$ xsetbg -scale matrixz.jpg |
| 09:37.42 | aethera | -scale: Bad option |
| 09:37.42 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'm trying to give him info to go on. |
| 09:37.47 | dondelelcaro | karsten: probably, if you know exactly what inode it is |
| 09:38.05 | dondelelcaro | aethera: sorry, it's -zoom... too many programs. |
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| 09:38.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I do. |
| 09:38.34 | pipistrula | {§{§{§{§{§{§{§ heyyyy §}§}§}§}§}§}§} |
| 09:38.45 | dondelelcaro | pipistrula: stop that, please. |
| 09:38.45 | karsten | dondelelcaro: FWIW, 'bd' Perl daemon found. Rootkit in question is running as: /tmp/a.out1 -ko /var/vhosts/iwethey/twiki/html/twiki/data/Main/TWikiUsers.txt |
| 09:38.49 | karsten | pipistrula: Stop that |
| 09:39.27 | dondelelcaro | oh joy. |
| 09:39.38 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ?? |
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| 09:39.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: yes, TWiki local execution vuln. |
| 09:40.11 | SNow | hi, does anyone has a script to forward ports from router to a lan user for p2p to work in high priority? |
| 09:40.16 | aethera | dondelelcaro nope |
| 09:40.22 | karsten | SNow: ssh |
| 09:40.25 | SNow | i've done the simple port forward udp/tcp script and it still can't connect normally |
| 09:40.32 | SNow | karsten you mean? :) |
| 09:40.35 | karsten | SNow: ... or netcat |
| 09:40.51 | karsten | SNow: ... or iptables on the router, if Linux. |
| 09:40.56 | dondelelcaro | aethera: you have to supply an opion to -zoom, you realize.... if that's too difficult, use feh --bg-scale foofile; or similar. |
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| 09:41.28 | SNow | karsten i know, but maybe there is already a script that makes the p2p work perfectly |
| 09:41.37 | dondelelcaro | anyway, yeah, /proc/<pid>/exe should normally have it, if not, run a e2 (or whatever) recovery program to rip that inode off the disk |
| 09:42.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 09:42.02 | SNow | it says that i need |
| 09:42.02 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.02 | SNow | 84.240.51.134 |
| 09:42.02 | SNow | TCP: 4952 (failed) |
| 09:42.02 | SNow | UDP: 19294 (failed) |
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| 09:42.45 | SNow | but i've done |
| 09:42.52 | SNow | iptables -A INPUT -s 84.240.51.134 -d 192.168.0.2 -p udp --dport 19294 -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:43.04 | SNow | and the tcp too but it still says the same |
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| 09:43.07 | notle | good nigth |
| 09:43.14 | notle | night |
| 09:43.19 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Isn't /proc/<pid>/exe just a symlink? |
| 09:43.22 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 09:43.46 | dondelelcaro | beardy: yes. |
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| 09:44.04 | karsten | !tell SNow about flood |
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| 09:44.30 | beardy | dondelelcaro: If the file is deleted, that wont do any good? |
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| 09:44.38 | karsten | beardy: Point, not sure if that will work or not. |
| 09:44.48 | karsten | beardy: ... but it's worth a shot. |
| 09:44.52 | dondelelcaro | beardy: hence the second line under that. |
| 09:45.10 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, the second part of that statement) |
| 09:45.11 | beardy | dondelelcaro: And out of curiousity, how do you dump /proc/<pid>/mem? |
| 09:45.19 | karsten | beardy: cqat |
| 09:45.23 | karsten | beardy: ... cat, even. |
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| 09:45.57 | dondelelcaro | beardy: anything that can do open(2),read(2) and/or fseek(2) can dump it. |
| 09:46.06 | beardy | karsten: Not for me.. |
| 09:46.10 | beardy | karsten: cat: mem: No such process |
| 09:46.20 | karsten | beardy: What process? |
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| 09:46.32 | beardy | karsten: A nano |
| 09:46.41 | karsten | beardy: Hrm. Ditto. |
| 09:47.14 | karsten | beardy: Try /proc/<pid>/exe |
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| 09:47.33 | SNow | yey |
| 09:47.34 | beardy | karsten: Yes, that will of course work, since it's a symlink pointing to the actual binary. |
| 09:47.35 | SNow | i know karsten |
| 09:47.55 | SNow | any ideas how to forward |
| 09:47.57 | SNow | because this doesn't work |
| 09:48.26 | neil_dugan | I am trying to play a DVD "Totem" says it can find libdvdcss (it is installed) and xine says someone else has PCM open, can anyone help? |
| 09:49.15 | deadcat | neil_dugan: install libdvdcss then |
| 09:49.50 | notle | adios amigos |
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| 09:50.22 | beardy | karsten:/all: But if the file would be deleted, it wouldn't work, so, is there any way to get the file from somewhere under /proc, using cat? (not using any filesystem recovery thing, or umounting and grep:ing and so on) |
| 09:50.50 | dondelelcaro | beardy: it's just unlinked, the inode is still there in use. |
| 09:51.05 | bird | hello,if filesystem with ext3 using e2fsck commod |
| 09:51.13 | dondelelcaro | beardy: so you just have to be able to access the inode directly; fuser and/or lsof should display the inode in question. |
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| 09:51.41 | larmer | With what program can I encode wav files to mp3? I prefer command line programs. What's the package's name I should download? |
| 09:51.45 | zamolxes | hi. php4-mysql can't connect to mysql-server4.1 , as it is built against libmysqlclient12. How would i resolve this issue? thank you |
| 09:51.48 | neil_dugan | I do have libdvdcss installed, libdvdcss.so is in "/usr/local/lib" and has a sym. link in "/usr/lib" |
| 09:51.59 | karsten | larmer: see grip. |
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| 09:52.29 | larmer | karsten, grip isn't able to encode wav's to mp3 because I haven't got any encoder program that it can use |
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| 09:52.37 | yang | I am wondering if eth0 traffic gets a reset, when certain amount is reached ? |
| 09:52.52 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Ok. |
| 09:52.56 | karsten | larmer: There should be, possibly in nonfree. |
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| 09:53.03 | karsten | larmer: Do your own googling ;-) |
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| 09:53.36 | larmer | karsten, ok |
| 09:53.38 | karsten | larmer: apt-cache search mp3 | grep encode |
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| 09:54.21 | karsten | larmer: .. and lame. |
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| 09:54.30 | tay | hello! |
| 09:54.30 | ukh_ | sarge 3.1r0 is the latest "official" revision? install panics on my fscking crap laptop |
| 09:54.43 | larmer | karsten, thanks. |
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| 09:54.54 | bird | please tell me whether ueing e2fsck command with ext3 fs |
| 09:54.55 | valdyn | neil_dugan: did you run ldconfig lately? |
| 09:54.57 | jgould | How do I get a program (slmodemd) to run at boot? |
| 09:55.13 | neil_dugan | valdyn: no what does that do? |
| 09:55.19 | valdyn | jgould: use the debian package |
| 09:55.31 | valdyn | neil_dugan: man ldconfig |
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| 09:55.39 | neil_dugan | valdyn: ok |
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| 09:56.04 | valdyn | neil_dugan: just copying libraries isnt enough, they need to be 'tracked' by ldconfig |
| 09:56.08 | tay | I begin to learn linux |
| 09:56.14 | suibian | Hello,everyone! |
| 09:56.16 | karsten | bird: Sorry, can you rephrase your question? |
| 09:56.22 | karsten | !friday |
| 09:56.22 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 09:56.24 | jgould | In that case where do the scripts call it from?, I need ot pass options to it on boot so the modem works. |
| 09:56.45 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thanks, btw. |
| 09:56.45 | suibian | I come from China. |
| 09:56.50 | dondelelcaro | karsten: np |
| 09:57.07 | karsten | suibian: Ni hau. |
| 09:57.08 | tay | yes |
| 09:57.11 | tay | I am |
| 09:57.23 | deadcat | suibian: stop whining |
| 09:57.23 | suibian | Ni hau |
| 09:57.31 | tay | I am in xia men |
| 09:57.34 | valdyn | jgould: look into /etc/default/ |
| 09:57.37 | bird | using e2fsck command with ext3 filesystem |
| 09:57.47 | karsten | deadcat: Ever find your package? |
| 09:57.54 | jgould | tnx valdyn |
| 09:57.55 | suibian | I am in Xiamen ,too. |
| 09:58.00 | deadcat | karsten: nope. gonna call tomorrow see whats up. |
| 09:58.03 | bird | using e2fsck command with ext3 fs |
| 09:58.06 | karsten | deadcat: Dig. |
| 09:58.48 | tay | I know what are you doing |
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| 09:59.08 | suibian | Who can help me. |
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| 09:59.17 | beardy | suibian: Just ask. |
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| 09:59.24 | bird | karsten:using e2fsck command with ext3 fs |
| 09:59.26 | beardy | suibian: Your actual question. |
| 09:59.28 | suibian | I can't start X. |
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| 10:00.17 | bird | sorry,my english is weakly |
| 10:00.32 | karsten | !chinese |
| 10:00.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 10:00.36 | neil_dugan | valdyn: I ran '# ldconfig -v' it didn't seem to make any difference. |
| 10:00.43 | bird | karsten: sorry,my english is weakly |
| 10:00.45 | karsten | bird: Your questioN? |
| 10:00.55 | Applejax33 | hey all where is a great place to find network drivers looking for intel 82573v or intel 82574v |
| 10:00.55 | karsten | bird: I know. What is your question? |
| 10:01.08 | karsten | Applejax33: http://www.kernel.org/ |
| 10:01.27 | Applejax33 | thanks |
| 10:01.34 | suibian | I can't start X,and I use elive. |
| 10:01.35 | neil_dugan | bird: thats 'weak' no 'weakly' |
| 10:01.49 | tay | how can me change the character I find my character too small |
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| 10:01.58 | bird | karsten: thank you! |
| 10:02.04 | karsten | Applejax33: ... or Google. Intel may have the drivers you need. |
| 10:02.17 | karsten | tay: In what program? |
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| 10:02.25 | Applejax33 | google only brought back other people looking for |
| 10:02.28 | Applejax33 | lol |
| 10:02.34 | suibian | Yes,my characters are also too small. |
| 10:02.44 | tay | I do not know |
| 10:02.50 | beardy | neil_dugan: That's that's, not thats, and not, not no. |
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| 10:02.59 | karsten | Applejax33: 'lspci' output, googled, with keyword 'linux' is often helpful. comp.os.linux.hardware may be a good place to ask. |
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| 10:03.43 | neil_dugan | beardy: so my grammer isn't so hot, and a typo. |
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| 10:04.37 | bird | if i can use e2fsck command with ext3 fs |
| 10:04.38 | suibian | Can't anyone hlep me. |
| 10:04.40 | Guerin | neil_dugan: yoour speling could use some work too |
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| 10:04.47 | karsten | bird: Yes, you can. |
| 10:04.55 | karsten | bird: 'umount' the filesystem first. |
| 10:05.20 | suibian | Guerin: pelling,no speling |
| 10:05.32 | beardy | space, not no space |
| 10:05.34 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:05.35 | suibian | Spelling. |
| 10:05.37 | karsten | bird: e2fsck -py <filesystem> |
| 10:05.49 | neil_dugan | Guerin: I know, I try to get it correct though. |
| 10:05.54 | Guerin | suibian: no, really? |
| 10:06.03 | karsten | bird: ... or 'e2fsck -pf <filesystem>', rather. Try second one first. |
| 10:06.05 | bird | thank you , i can see english,writing weak |
| 10:06.30 | suibian | exit |
| 10:06.41 | Applejax33 | Thanks Karsten i might have one we shall see hehe |
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| 10:07.20 | suibian | Is there anyone who knows QQ |
| 10:07.27 | neil_dugan | bird: You are doing fine, english is a very hard language, there are many different rules to try to remember. |
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| 10:08.10 | _sss | suibian, i know |
| 10:08.18 | suibian | neil_dugan: Where do you come from? |
| 10:08.34 | ircdevil | how does one correctly license a script that you want GPL. i dont want to distribute a copy of the license, which i think is required ? |
| 10:08.35 | neil_dugan | suibian: Australia/Sydney |
| 10:08.42 | ircdevil | isnt there a standard line "Use and distribute this program under the terms as Perl itself ..." or some such thing ? |
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| 10:09.01 | bird | karsten: thank you very much,i will hard study english |
| 10:09.46 | neil_dugan | suibian: where are you? |
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| 10:11.39 | flankk | bird, hard study is important. I send much congratulation to you and your phonics. |
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| 10:11.56 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: yes, but it's generally better if you just specific GPL v2 or later or clarified artistic license. |
| 10:12.08 | bird | i konwn!! |
| 10:12.32 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: can you guide me to an example ? |
| 10:12.33 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: if you want to license it under the GPL, follow the directions in the GPL itself. |
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| 10:12.53 | beardy | !sp me |
| 10:13.08 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html |
| 10:13.11 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: hmmm iirc GPL wants you to include a file with the license text with the script. i would like to avoid having multiple files. |
| 10:13.27 | karsten | bird: I've been meaning to pick up more chinese. |
| 10:13.39 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: if your script is so small that it only has one file, you may want to just use MIT/X11 or similar |
| 10:14.38 | karsten | ircdevil: What dondelelcaro said, or read the standard GPL text which covers how to apply the license to your code. |
| 10:14.53 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: but if one writes a script using modules from CPAN which state that they are releases under the same license as perl itself - i cannot GPL such a script? |
| 10:15.02 | karsten | ircdevil: There is some minimal overhead, but it's pretty straightforward. How are you planning on distributing the script? |
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| 10:15.17 | aethera | hi guys |
| 10:15.22 | ircdevil | karsten: email - put on net somewhere |
| 10:15.32 | aethera | if I do 'dd' on a dvd can I watch it later? |
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| 10:15.43 | jm_ | not if it's encrypted |
| 10:15.44 | karsten | ircdevil: Perl today is under a multi-licensing scheme IIRC, inclusive of the GNU TPL. |
| 10:15.50 | bird | karsten: ä½ çœ‹å¾—æ‡‚ä¸æ–‡ |
| 10:15.55 | aethera | jm_ any good ripping tool |
| 10:15.57 | coywolf | gnome show respect to Desktop/Autostart ? where should I run some command at startup? |
| 10:16.11 | coywolf | 懂 |
| 10:16.12 | ircdevil | karsten: so a "Use and distribute this program under the terms as Perl itself ..." line would suffice? |
| 10:16.13 | jm_ | aethera: yes |
| 10:16.13 | karsten | bird: ... I also need a UTF-8 / Unicode terminal ;-) |
| 10:16.17 | flankk | coywolf, ä½ å¥½ã€‚ |
| 10:16.18 | aethera | jm_ ? |
| 10:16.22 | coywolf | 好 |
| 10:16.25 | aethera | dvd to avi? |
| 10:16.31 | coywolf | よã†ã“ã |
| 10:16.37 | Eclipser | aethera, you need libdvdcss to decrypt it, but that's illegal in some countries I think |
| 10:16.40 | aran | ËƵĿ¨À˷ѽðËÚÀ¼´ó¿¨£»·¢ |
| 10:16.53 | aran | ÓÐÖйúµÄÂð |
| 10:17.00 | ircdevil | quit that ascii show, or i will tell your mums! |
| 10:17.00 | Eclipser | aran, try english |
| 10:17.06 | jm_ | aethera: dvd to avi - get DVD::Rip |
| 10:17.07 | aethera | Eclipser I own the dvd |
| 10:17.12 | bird | karsten: 我è¦å¥½å¥½æ ¹ä½ å¦å¦è‹±æ–‡ã€‚万分感谢，我有事è¦èµ°äº†ï¼Œä½ 有MSNå— |
| 10:17.16 | aethera | jm_ is there a front end? |
| 10:17.17 | Eclipser | aethera, that's not the issue |
| 10:17.24 | jm_ | aethera: that is a front-end, it's a GUI tool |
| 10:17.34 | aethera | jm_ ok how do I install it? |
| 10:17.47 | Eclipser | aethera, in finland at least you don't own the dvd/cd, you have the right to watch/listen to it but no right to copy, decrypt and such |
| 10:17.54 | Eclipser | the new copyright law |
| 10:17.57 | Eclipser | sucks ass big time |
| 10:18.13 | jm_ | aethera: uhm go to their web page and read |
| 10:18.14 | Eclipser | strips away consumer rights |
| 10:18.30 | neil_dugan | aethera: you can use 'dvdbackup' to unencrypt and 'memcoder' to convert to avi. |
| 10:18.38 | flankk | karsten, babelfish says: "I must well the root you study English. Extremely thank, I had the matter to have to walk, you had MSN" |
| 10:18.44 | Eclipser | neil_dugan, decrypt :p |
| 10:18.58 | bird | karsten: MSN |
| 10:19.16 | neil_dugan | Eclipser: yes OK. |
| 10:19.20 | aran | how to use "Iconified"? |
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| 10:20.15 | bird | karsten: MSN |
| 10:20.19 | flankk | bird, 我的裤å是超级飞行水平。 |
| 10:20.27 | Eclipser | erm |
| 10:20.33 | Eclipser | what the hell |
| 10:20.45 | neil_dugan | aethera: but doing so might be illegal it is here in Australia |
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| 10:20.59 | karsten | flankk: babelfish is wise truly vastly beyond my ways to walk on matter. |
| 10:21.11 | bird | 拜拜 |
| 10:21.57 | Eclipser | yes... ?? indeed |
| 10:22.02 | aran | who can tell me how to use "Iconified "? |
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| 10:22.11 | karsten | aran: WTF is "Iconified"? |
| 10:22.12 | Eclipser | aran, try asking a sensible question |
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| 10:22.18 | karsten | !tell aran about smart questions |
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| 10:22.49 | ircdevil | how does this sound? "Use, Modify, and Redistribute this software under the same terms as Perl (Artistic License): http://www.perl.com/language/misc/Artistic.html" |
| 10:23.00 | lestest | hi there ... is fai the only debian tool to make cluster installation with no interaction? |
| 10:23.01 | karsten | ircdevil: You can write whatever you want. |
| 10:23.10 | karsten | ircdevil: ... what's important is what other people will read. |
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| 10:23.21 | aran | sorry my english is very poor |
| 10:23.31 | Eclipser | yes we noticed |
| 10:23.35 | karsten | ircdevil: ... and I'd very strongly suggest you stick to standard licensing verbiage and conventions to the greatest extent possible. |
| 10:23.44 | karsten | Eclipser: He's from China, take it easy. |
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| 10:24.01 | Eclipser | I know chinese who can talk pretty good english |
| 10:24.18 | berzerka | hello. is there a kernel-level nfsd for 2.6 kernels? |
| 10:24.21 | karsten | Eclipser: I know Americans who can't talk any Finnish. Your point? |
| 10:24.32 | Guerin | english is a deuce of a lot harder to speak than chinese - but written is the other way |
| 10:24.33 | xored | iam using a dyndns service and sitting behind a router. When i try to start proftd, he says, he cannot determine the IP. The only thing i could do to solve, is to enter my current public IP to the hosts. Can i somehow enter my dyndns.domain there(this didnt workd before ) |
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| 10:25.01 | karsten | berzerka: IIUC it's currently split between kernel and user space. |
| 10:25.06 | Eclipser | karsten, americans don't exist in my world :) |
| 10:25.18 | karsten | Eclipser: Finns are for soup. |
| 10:25.25 | Eclipser | well I agree |
| 10:25.28 | Eclipser | I have no love for Finns |
| 10:25.36 | Eclipser | I'm moving away from this cursed land asap |
| 10:25.42 | karsten | Guerin: u a girl? |
| 10:25.48 | Eclipser | !u |
| 10:25.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:26.01 | Guerin | karsten: not today |
| 10:26.07 | dimir | :-) |
| 10:26.07 | flankk | 'who can talk pretty good english' in an English channel is an entry for a troll. |
| 10:26.08 | karsten | Guerin: Rats! |
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| 10:26.21 | Guerin | flankk: heh |
| 10:26.28 | Eclipser | flankk, psht! |
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| 10:26.29 | positron| | whoa! much people |
| 10:26.32 | aran | exit |
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| 10:26.40 | karsten | aran: /quit |
| 10:26.42 | Guerin | flankk: i'd usually be the one to pick up on it, but I'm basically subliterate on a friday evening |
| 10:26.49 | berzerka | karsten: meaning there are two such things as a kernel-level and a user-level nfs daemon? do you know where i can get the kernel patch or whatever i need for the kernel-level one? |
| 10:26.54 | valdyn | xored: does your router not provide the ability to update that dyndns service? |
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| 10:27.36 | Guerin | !qotd12 |
| 10:27.36 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 10:27.40 | karsten | berzerka: apt-cache search nfs | sort | grep -i nfs | less |
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| 10:28.23 | xored | valdyn: no. The questis, wheater i can set the ip, which proftpd uses, to the private one of the server and let to router forward the port to that ip |
| 10:28.32 | berzerka | karsten: thx :) |
| 10:28.40 | karsten | berzerka: NP |
| 10:28.53 | Eclipser | Guerin, haha, hilarious |
| 10:29.19 | valdyn | xored: yea you can |
| 10:29.41 | fusspils | when I run apt-get upgrade it holds back a crap ton of updates....if I run apt-get dist-upgrade it says its going to remove a lot of already installed stuff....should I run it anyway? |
| 10:30.06 | Guerin | fusspils: do you want to lose all those packages? |
| 10:30.07 | karsten | fusspils: Depends. |
| 10:30.16 | fusspils | nope dont want to lose them |
| 10:30.18 | karsten | fusspils: ... do you want to remove a lot of already installed stuff? |
| 10:30.19 | xored | valdyn: it worked, just for information : 1 * * * * root /root/updatedynip |
| 10:30.24 | Guerin | fusspils: if not, no. If you don't care, shoot for the moon. |
| 10:30.25 | aethera | wohooooooo I am installing my boxen |
| 10:30.26 | aethera | :) |
| 10:30.39 | fusspils | do I have to remove them to be able to install the new held back packages? |
| 10:30.42 | karsten | Guerin: What if this channel answered all questions rhetorically? |
| 10:30.44 | xored | valdyn: this is my crontab entry, it will be runned every hour:01, right ? |
| 10:30.46 | fusspils | this list is getting bigger each day |
| 10:31.09 | karsten | fusspils: Worse: it's still being checked twice. |
| 10:31.10 | Guerin | karsten: Is that a question? |
| 10:31.21 | karsten | fusspils: 24 IRCing days until Christmas. |
| 10:31.30 | valdyn | xored: dyndns would ban me for that. |
| 10:31.31 | karsten | Guerin: What if it was? |
| 10:31.48 | Guerin | karsten: Who cares? |
| 10:31.51 | xored | valdyn: yes. I need a script which checks when the IP changed, right ?` |
| 10:31.52 | fusspils | karsten: checked twice? how can I fix that? merry christmas |
| 10:32.05 | valdyn | xored: yea, i guess |
| 10:32.06 | xored | valdyn: and only then run the script, or ? |
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| 10:32.15 | xored | valdyn: do you have such a script ? |
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| 10:32.28 | valdyn | xored: no |
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| 10:32.34 | valdyn | !myip |
| 10:32.34 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ ([\d\.]+)<.+/$1/;' |
| 10:32.39 | Guerin | fusspils: i suggest you post your sources.list to a pastebin for the perusal of someone who's not about to drink a bottle of 151° rum |
| 10:32.43 | xored | valdyn: thank you anyway. |
| 10:32.45 | karsten | Guerin: Why should anyone care? |
| 10:32.56 | karsten | !tell fusspils about paster |
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| 10:33.30 | Guerin | karsten: If someone cares, do you win? |
| 10:34.21 | karsten | Guerin: If you care, and you're married, are you still wrong? |
| 10:34.36 | Guerin | karsten: So what if I am? |
| 10:34.46 | Guerin | !myip is also lynx -dump http://iplookup.flashfxp.com |awk '/./ {print $1}' |
| 10:34.46 | dpkg | Guerin: that's too long |
| 10:34.50 | Guerin | BOLLOCKS |
| 10:35.18 | karsten | Guerin: Note that dpkg didn't say that *that* was too long... |
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| 10:35.23 | fusspils | Karsten: if you arnt too drunk its pasted |
| 10:35.44 | karsten | fusspils: Not drunk, but beyond caring, it's well past bedtime |
| 10:35.55 | fusspils | ;-) |
| 10:36.10 | fusspils | guerin: can you take a look at my paste? |
| 10:36.11 | tijn | *ok* :D |
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| 10:36.34 | tarzeau | someone is using wmaker wmsetbg with a solid color ? |
| 10:36.45 | tarzeau | the manual page talks about -b but wmsetbg doesn't take it |
| 10:36.51 | Guerin | fusspils: *I* was the one working his way through the Ron Dìaz |
| 10:36.58 | Guerin | fusspils: but hit me with a link |
| 10:37.23 | karsten | tarzeau: xsetbg -solid '#rrrgggbbb' |
| 10:37.26 | beardy | tarzeau: Try another setbg thing? |
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| 10:37.39 | fusspils | Guerin:http://channels.debian.net/paste/1201 |
| 10:37.53 | tarzeau | karsten: xsetbg doesn't update aterm transpaerency |
| 10:38.06 | tarzeau | beardy: another setbg thing doesn't update aterm transpaerency |
| 10:38.10 | karsten | tarzeau: ... or menu => Appearance => Background => Solid => <color> |
| 10:38.14 | karsten | tarzeau: Sounds like a bug. |
| 10:38.21 | tarzeau | karsten: the color i want isn't listed in there |
| 10:38.37 | karsten | tarzeau: That llist is probably extensible somewhere, I've never bothered to look. |
| 10:38.47 | tarzeau | karsten: i did it once, and it was horribly hard to find |
| 10:39.13 | karsten | tarzeau: /etc/X11/WindowMaker/background.menu |
| 10:39.21 | karsten | tarzeau: Horribly ;-) |
| 10:39.37 | karsten | tarzeau: $ dpkg -L wmaker| less |
| 10:40.17 | tarzeau | karsten: sweet :) |
| 10:40.31 | tarzeau | karsten: i'd give you a kiss if you were kerstin and not karsten |
| 10:40.40 | karsten | tarzeau: I'd accept anyway ... |
| 10:40.43 | Guerin | fusspils: well, you're in unstableland now, son. I suggest you let apt have its wicked way with you, and when it's done, you can scrape the pieces together, apply balm to the cigarette burns, put a bit of lotion on the whip marks, avoid sitting down for a few days, and try to put things back together |
| 10:40.46 | karsten | tarzeau: ... if I were _very_ drunk. |
| 10:40.50 | sep | are there any console ftp programs similar to ncftp that support stft directly |
| 10:40.50 | Guerin | fusspils: i hope you've got plenty of lube |
| 10:40.56 | seeeS | guerin: you're not doing gnustep anymore? |
| 10:40.59 | seeeS | err |
| 10:41.01 | fusspils | lol |
| 10:41.04 | bibe | hi all. I am working on a php/mysql application for a customer. I'd like to use the icons provided by kde-icons-noia debian package. Those icons are licensed under the LGPL, does this affect in any way my application? Or, where can I find more information? |
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| 10:41.16 | Guerin | seeeS: this is not the Guerin you're looking for |
| 10:41.21 | tarzeau | seeeS: i do GNUstep :) |
| 10:41.23 | karsten | bibe: so long as you don't binary link them to anything... |
| 10:41.27 | seeeS | ah tarzeau |
| 10:41.36 | karsten | bibe: Should be fine if you use them unmodified. |
| 10:41.38 | seeeS | brain not working too well |
| 10:41.45 | tarzeau | seeeS: of course i do: http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png |
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| 10:41.55 | mateusz | hello everybody !! |
| 10:41.57 | bibe | karsten : thank you |
| 10:42.03 | fusspils | guerin: its trying to remove stuff like amarok and konqueror but it makes no mention of those being some of the packages being held back? |
| 10:42.03 | bibe | !hi mateusz |
| 10:42.05 | seeeS | tarzeau: why is hubert saying he is? |
| 10:42.05 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai mateusz! |
| 10:42.08 | mateusz | i see many people there |
| 10:42.12 | tarzeau | seeeS: he does the core packages |
| 10:42.16 | karsten | @bed me |
| 10:42.19 | mateusz | so mabe somebody wold help me ? |
| 10:42.23 | resiak | !tell fusspils -about sid faq |
| 10:42.27 | fusspils | guerin: so will I have to manually re-install this stuff |
| 10:42.36 | tarzeau | seeeS: i just do applications and tools, and the livecd.gnustep.org (soon a new version based on gnu/kfreebsd) |
| 10:42.37 | mateusz | i need please tell me some info where can i have FREE shell account |
| 10:42.39 | mateusz | ?? |
| 10:42.43 | beardy | mateusz: Just ask your question. |
| 10:42.46 | Guerin | fusspils: possibly. |
| 10:42.47 | tarzeau | seeeS: tried gnu/kbsd yet, fantastic! #gnu-kbsd |
| 10:42.56 | beardy | mateusz: google |
| 10:42.57 | seeeS | tarz: ah ok, i thought you must of chucked it in |
| 10:42.59 | mateusz | but |
| 10:43.02 | bibe | mateusz : google for it, there's plenty of free shell account |
| 10:43.04 | mateusz | every waht i found |
| 10:43.06 | mateusz | in google |
| 10:43.11 | mateusz | i s bad for me |
| 10:43.15 | mateusz | it cost some many |
| 10:43.16 | Guerin | !free shell |
| 10:43.16 | dpkg | free shell is probably telnet http://www.boston.ru |
| 10:43.18 | mateusz | but i dont have |
| 10:43.23 | tarzeau | seeeS: i don't understand "chucked it in?" |
| 10:43.24 | mateusz | there are no free shellon google |
| 10:43.28 | mateusz | or they are |
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| 10:43.29 | karsten-away | !tell mateusz about enter |
| 10:43.31 | Guerin | bah, that link used to be less worthless |
| 10:43.31 | mateusz | inactive |
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| 10:44.02 | seeeS | tarzeau: "chucked it in" -> quit, but usually with some menance |
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| 10:44.14 | tarzeau | if you port software to gnu/kfreebsd i can give a shell :) |
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| 10:44.28 | tarzeau | seeeS: no, i just never did gnustep core, eric heintzman did them... |
| 10:44.45 | tarzeau | seeeS: hah, chuck it in for what? gnome? kde? |
| 10:44.52 | Guerin | dpkg, no, free shell is http://www.ductape.net/~mitja/freeunix.shtml or http://www.rootshell.be/A |
| 10:44.53 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:45.05 | Guerin | !free shell =~ s/A$// |
| 10:45.05 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'A$', Guerin |
| 10:45.11 | Guerin | !free shell =~ s/A// |
| 10:45.11 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 10:45.13 | seeeS | tarzeau: how about KDE on Solaris? |
| 10:45.22 | minesgm | i don't know how to put a command on linux installation |
| 10:45.23 | tarzeau | seeeS: yuck! i've run OPENSTEP on top of Solaris |
| 10:45.28 | aethera | seeeS nooooooo |
| 10:45.37 | aethera | solaris is nice without bloatware |
| 10:45.37 | tarzeau | seeeS: if i want to waste time, i know better places than "splashscreens on kde" |
| 10:45.42 | seeeS | KDE in system5 packages, you know you want to |
| 10:45.52 | tarzeau | aethera: solaris is ugly without openstep |
| 10:46.00 | minesgm | anybody can help me the command on how to run or unpack a yahoo messenger download |
| 10:46.07 | aethera | tarzeau I only use solaris on servers |
| 10:46.08 | aethera | :P |
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| 10:46.20 | tarzeau | aethera: on sparc? |
| 10:46.37 | aethera | yeah |
| 10:46.45 | mateusz | i need 1 background process on free shell |
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| 10:46.46 | Knight_Lord | Has anyone compared the performance of solaris NFS running on x86 with linux? |
| 10:46.48 | mateusz | PLEASE help |
| 10:46.51 | aethera | bbl going to get some food |
| 10:46.57 | tarzeau | mateusz: what process? |
| 10:46.58 | Guerin | mateusz: did you check those two links above? |
| 10:46.59 | Knight_Lord | I'm wondering if it's worth to give it a try |
| 10:47.04 | mateusz | yes |
| 10:47.16 | mateusz | i need cron or something for time duration operation |
| 10:47.18 | Knight_Lord | I'm talking about NFS server |
| 10:47.21 | seeeS | I have heard, something vaguely, that solaris NFS should be better |
| 10:47.27 | mateusz | cron,crontab |
| 10:47.30 | Guerin | cron is not a background process |
| 10:47.48 | pngwn | mateusz, go away, that's off topic in here |
| 10:47.56 | Guerin | or, more explicitly, it's nothing that wouldn't be running anyway |
| 10:48.12 | mateusz | whatever, some process to receive my mails and forwarding it to another mail |
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| 10:48.16 | tarzeau | wait i run screens with stuff in crons too |
| 10:48.20 | minesgm | please who can help me |
| 10:48.35 | mateusz | whatever, some process to receive my mails and forwarding it to another mail |
| 10:48.42 | mateusz | on free shell |
| 10:48.45 | Knight_Lord | minesgm you didn't really ask a question |
| 10:48.47 | Guerin | mateusz: get a gmmail account |
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| 10:48.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:48.59 | seeeS | or hotmail |
| 10:49.06 | mateusz | gmail wont do it, it cannot receive my mails every one minute |
| 10:49.13 | tarzeau | mateusz: you can get free shell at http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 10:49.13 | Knight_Lord | mateusz ever heard of .forward? |
| 10:49.16 | mateusz | from another accounts ina another serversd |
| 10:49.23 | minesgm | i have already download the yahoo messenger but i don't know how to make it run |
| 10:49.33 | basanta | hi ... when i try to print from gedit .. getting error as: gedit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgnomeprint/2.10.3/modules/libgnomeprintcups.so: undefined symbol: gnome_cups_printer_get_ppd_async |
| 10:49.36 | Knight_Lord | minesgm doesn't it come with instructions? |
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| 10:50.02 | seeeS | basanta: sounds like a library version problem |
| 10:50.28 | basanta | seeeS, i am using debian etch... what might be the solution |
| 10:50.34 | FallOnMe | tarzeau: heh, that's evil. |
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| 10:50.54 | Knight_Lord | basanta try to find where gnome_cups_printer_get_ppd_async is defined and install it |
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| 10:50.56 | minesgm | yes.. but to run/usr/bin/ymessenger :: does the usr there the user name or i'll just put usr |
| 10:51.07 | minesgm | sorry but i am new to this |
| 10:51.22 | aethera | whats a nice mail client for fluxbox |
| 10:51.37 | Knight_Lord | minesgm /usr/bin/ymessenger on your command line |
| 10:51.52 | Knight_Lord | minesgm you seriously need some introduction to linux |
| 10:51.56 | minesgm | actually i really don't know how to install |
| 10:51.59 | basanta | Knight_Lord, it belongs to libgnomeprint2-2 and it is there |
| 10:52.03 | seeeS | basanta: assuming it is the right packages, i would look at gedits dependencies and libgnomeprintcups deps too |
| 10:52.03 | minesgm | ok i will try.. |
| 10:52.12 | minesgm | do i have to log on root |
| 10:52.20 | Knight_Lord | basanta how are you so sure? although it makes sense |
| 10:52.24 | Knight_Lord | minesgm no |
| 10:52.40 | minesgm | ok |
| 10:52.43 | minesgm | brb |
| 10:52.51 | mateusz | so what about this shell ? |
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| 10:53.02 | petemc | no shell for you |
| 10:53.15 | mateusz | why ?/ please !! |
| 10:53.27 | FallOnMe | mateusz: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:53.28 | seeeS | because petemc is a meanie |
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| 10:53.34 | petemc | i am that |
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| 10:53.50 | seeeS | which is why there is no shell for mateusz |
| 10:53.54 | basanta | seeeS, not only from gedit... cannot print friom evince as well |
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| 10:54.22 | mateusz | i need free shell only for mail filtering, forwarding from my account to another my account please helllllp |
| 10:54.23 | seeeS | basanta: yes, it is most likely lib1 needs a different version of lib2 andf gedit and evince both use lib1 |
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| 10:55.22 | mateusz | i need free shell only for mail filtering, forwarding from my account to another my account please helllll |
| 10:55.35 | FallOnMe | mateusz: tanstaafl. You might be better off checking out your provider's forward/filtering capabilities. |
| 10:55.37 | seeeS | well then ask on #freeshellsrus |
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| 10:55.44 | visik7 | hi |
| 10:55.46 | seeeS | not on a channel that is about #debian |
| 10:55.54 | minesgm | when it says dpkg requires a superuser privilege what does it mean |
| 10:55.57 | rss | mateusz: try uucpssh.org |
| 10:55.58 | basanta | seeeS, confused.. what's lib1 and lib2 |
| 10:56.04 | visik7 | is there an rss for the update of security, sarge, etch and sid ? |
| 10:56.17 | FallOnMe | minesgm: you need to be root to install a package with dpkg. |
| 10:56.26 | minesgm | ok |
| 10:56.35 | minesgm | thanks |
| 10:56.36 | seeeS | lib1 would be libgnomeprintcups.so and lib2 would be whatever is supposed to have gnome_cups_printer_get_ppd_async |
| 10:56.36 | Rydekull | hrms, got two file 'a' and 'b', I want everything in file 'a' on the beginning of each line, and everything in file 'b' at the end of each line in the new file 'c'... any suggestion on how to do this? |
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| 10:56.56 | basanta | seeeS, ok got it |
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| 10:57.00 | rss | mateusz: i misread... its not what you want. Google. |
| 10:57.14 | seeeS | rdekull: paste may do it |
| 10:57.36 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.41 | Rydekull | valdyn: yes |
| 10:57.50 | Rydekull | seeeS: thousands of lines.. take half a day to do that :P |
| 10:57.58 | rss | normal practice for debian package management, is that packages are maintained by those, who use it. Right? |
| 10:58.19 | seeeS | rydekull: paste the program, not paste the action |
| 10:58.33 | seeeS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.37 | Rydekull | seeeS: hah |
| 10:58.41 | FallOnMe | Rydekull: something like perl -e 'open A '<a'; open B '<b'; while (<A>) { $a = $_; $b = <B>; chomp $a; print $a.$b }' |
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| 10:58.54 | Rydekull | seeeS: sorry, never head of that before :) |
| 10:58.55 | rss | I want to ask the maintainer of Window Maker, whether he really uses it... |
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| 10:59.08 | Rydekull | heard* |
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| 10:59.41 | Rydekull | FallOnMe: capital letters would be the filename then |
| 10:59.52 | rss | Because the default installation of wmaker on slackware is so much better than what we get in debian, be it sarge/etch/sid... |
| 11:00.09 | aethera | wtf is etch? |
| 11:00.18 | visik7 | testing |
| 11:00.28 | rss | aethera: the current testing branch |
| 11:00.30 | valdyn | rss: so file a whishlist bug, if the maintainer uses it or not is not really of your business |
| 11:00.34 | FallOnMe | Rydekull: no, file names are in the open invocation - open A '<first_file' |
| 11:00.43 | aethera | rss thats mate |
| 11:01.09 | FallOnMe | Rydekull: but use paste. I didn't know it existed either. |
| 11:01.13 | Rydekull | hehe |
| 11:01.40 | rss | valdyn: Sure it is not a business of mine... it is also not his/her business to ruin the default configuration of wmaker |
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| 11:01.44 | mateusz | so no one help me ? |
| 11:02.06 | rss | mateusz: you are asking about that in a wrong place |
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| 11:03.35 | rss | valdyn: you should try using that first before realising, how unusable it is. Yes. I am reporting it. |
| 11:03.45 | mateusz | rss: so where should i go ? |
| 11:04.19 | rss | mateusz: Open a Web Browser and open www.google.com and search for "free shell" |
| 11:04.26 | mateusz | but i told |
| 11:04.28 | mateusz | you that |
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| 11:04.47 | mateusz | there are no free , they are bad and inactive !! |
| 11:04.51 | beardy | mateusz: http://www.ductape.net/~mitja/freeunix.shtml |
| 11:04.59 | beardy | mateusz: Now, stop asking about it. |
| 11:05.05 | mateusz | there are no free , they are bad and inactive !! |
| 11:05.08 | FallOnMe | mateusz: so go and buy one that works. |
| 11:05.21 | mateusz | so nobody want to help me ? |
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| 11:05.46 | rss | mateusz: approach freeshell.in |
| 11:05.46 | beardy | mateusz: We did. |
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| 11:06.31 | Ronin | mateusz: then dont be so cheap and go buy one |
| 11:06.41 | mateusz | rss: freedom login ? what should i type ther e ? new doesntw work |
| 11:07.01 | rss | mateusz: it does. |
| 11:07.11 | mateusz | freedom login: new |
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| 11:07.15 | mateusz | passwrd: new |
| 11:07.21 | mateusz | LOGIN INCORRECT !! |
| 11:07.31 | rss | mateusz: one min... this isn't the right place |
| 11:07.39 | alvaro | join debian.es |
| 11:07.41 | rss | mateusz: they have an irc channel |
| 11:07.42 | alvaro | ... |
| 11:07.52 | alvaro | ok |
| 11:08.00 | mateusz | so what ? |
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| 11:08.36 | Nycky | hi |
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| 11:08.47 | Nycky | I have i question if i can |
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| 11:09.01 | FallOnMe | mateusz: you could be polite and ask the questions in the right place and perhaps get an answer. |
| 11:09.01 | rss | mateusz: join #freeshell.in |
| 11:10.17 | dimir | !ask to ask |
| 11:10.18 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 11:10.18 | Nycky | I have 960 port open, and dont know how to close it, because i don`t know that service is working on 960 |
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| 11:10.38 | petemc | Nycky: lsof -i :960 |
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| 11:11.39 | Pimpinella | mateusz: if you're not capable how to use existent free shell services, how do you think will you be able to setup your mail whatever service? |
| 11:11.39 | Nycky | it`s still open |
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| 11:11.56 | Shadowcat | Pimpinella: most likely by bugging the hell out of us |
| 11:11.59 | Shadowcat | as usual |
| 11:12.00 | Nycky | 960/tcp |
| 11:12.04 | Ronin | heh Shadowcat |
| 11:12.07 | Pimpinella | :/ |
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| 11:12.32 | lestest | where can I find debconf-get-selections |
| 11:12.34 | lestest | ? |
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| 11:12.39 | Nycky | yoy |
| 11:12.43 | selfcontr0l | for future reference, if i want to install a package that is still in "testing", should i add the server to my sources.list and then update and then install that package and then remove the "testing" from the sources.list? |
| 11:12.44 | Nycky | sory petemc |
| 11:12.47 | Nycky | i got it |
| 11:12.50 | Nycky | thanks |
| 11:12.53 | selfcontr0l | or is there another/better way? |
| 11:12.55 | Nycky | so stupid i`m |
| 11:12.56 | Nycky | :) |
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| 11:13.19 | beardy | selfcontr0l: You shouldn't. If you still want to, download the .deb and use dpkg so install it. |
| 11:13.49 | selfcontr0l | oh..... ok and the .deb file would be on that server? |
| 11:13.50 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: you're using stable right now? |
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| 11:14.02 | beardy | selfcontr0l: debian.org |
| 11:14.10 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: yeah i'm stable now heh i made a boo boo and i'm fixing it |
| 11:14.41 | selfcontr0l | beardy: so iow, once you go "testing" or "sid" you don't go back? |
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| 11:15.03 | FallOnMe | What about apt_preferences and pinning? |
| 11:15.04 | beardy | selfcontr0l: Not unless you reinstall no. |
| 11:15.06 | Ronin | selfcontr0l: theres no way to downgrade |
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| 11:15.13 | Nycky | how can i see what port I`ve got opened and what service its running on it? |
| 11:15.20 | beardy | !wiui |
| 11:15.20 | dpkg | What Is Using It? When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' to see which process and user that is using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 11:15.21 | selfcontr0l | got it. thx |
| 11:15.26 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: trying to install a package from testing might require installing a whole bunch of other testing stuf it depends on |
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| 11:15.36 | dimir | myck: netstat -aptn |
| 11:15.41 | dimir | Nycky too. |
| 11:15.42 | Nycky | 10x |
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| 11:15.48 | beardy | Nycky: and petemc told you. |
| 11:15.49 | Nycky | myck |
| 11:15.53 | Nycky | 10x |
| 11:15.54 | Nycky | :P |
| 11:15.56 | Nycky | bye all |
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| 11:15.59 | Nycky | have a nice day |
| 11:16.07 | dimir | Nycky : and as root to see what is the process name |
| 11:16.09 | dimir | Nycky :-) |
| 11:16.09 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: adding deb-src source for tat package and building it in stable might be a better solution |
| 11:16.12 | intx | I'm having trouble installing tor on debian sarge.. tor: Depends: libevent1 (>= 1.1a) but 1.0b-1.1 is to be installed -- anyone have any clue what the problem might be? |
| 11:16.12 | dimir | Nycky buy. |
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| 11:16.56 | seeeS | intx: 1.0b-1.1 is not new enough |
| 11:17.01 | FallOnMe | intx: that's not sarge. |
| 11:17.18 | Shadowcat | !info libevent1 sarge |
| 11:17.19 | Ronin | guess nycky needed our undivided attention? |
| 11:17.28 | tchino | why you get sometimes the message, when you mount an usb-device, that mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device??? |
| 11:17.37 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: ok trying to understand, you mean if i build the source on my machine (because it is stable)? |
| 11:17.47 | tchino | sometimes you can mount it, and sometimes you get that message |
| 11:17.57 | intx | stable for debian is sarge, right? |
| 11:18.09 | Ronin | intx: correct |
| 11:18.18 | pitillo | anyone can see that error while compiling my kernel http://pastebin.ca/32095 |
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| 11:18.51 | FallOnMe | intx: yeah, but the package version you're trying to install is not from sarge, its dependency is worng. |
| 11:18.52 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: you can add 'deb' sources and 'deb-src' sources to your sources.list |
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| 11:19.46 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: yeah i saw the deb-src added when i used apt-setup.... didn't know what it was for exactly |
| 11:19.48 | intx | FallOnMe: ah, thanks. I wasn't sure whether you meant the package wasn't sarge or libevent1 1.0b-1.1 wasn't |
| 11:20.00 | Shadowcat | !test |
| 11:20.00 | dpkg | Sorry, shadowcat, I didn't get your test. |
| 11:20.03 | Shadowcat | hmm... |
| 11:20.04 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: deb-src contains the source packages, while deb contains binaries |
| 11:20.05 | Shadowcat | slow bot |
| 11:20.17 | N0S3 | tmsnc: Locks at login screen -----> some solution at the moment? |
| 11:20.19 | Shadowcat | !info libevent1 sarge |
| 11:20.33 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 11:20.38 | Shadowcat | apparently it isn't even in sarge |
| 11:20.45 | FallOnMe | intx: your best bet might be a backport, since there's no tor in sarge. |
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| 11:20.57 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: if you have the appropriate seb-src enty in your surces.list you can try 'apt-get -b source <packagename>' |
| 11:21.34 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: it might build or might not if sarge cn't solve the build dependencies |
| 11:21.42 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: ok so say i looked for package xyz i'd type exactly 'apt-get -b source xyz' |
| 11:22.02 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: and if it doesn't build what do you recommend? not using it until the stable comes out? |
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| 11:22.25 | intx | FallOnMe: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian seems to imply that there's a tor debian package that uses sarge dependencies |
| 11:22.38 | FallOnMe | hm |
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| 11:23.06 | intx | but for some reason it's not working |
| 11:23.13 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: you need to satisfy the build dependencies first with 'apt-get build-dep <packagename>' |
| 11:23.26 | FallOnMe | intx: maybe on backports.org or somewhere else. Maybe it would build using the simple backport instructions |
| 11:23.53 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: if this fails you can try to satisfy the build deps from testing the same way first |
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| 11:24.32 | FallOnMe | dpkg, tell intx about simple sid backport |
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| 11:24.44 | FallOnMe | woo, dpkg works today! |
| 11:24.53 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: the more packages you "backport" this way the more you risk inconsistencies later |
| 11:25.01 | _sss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.02 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: so if i download xyz.deb then i can do 'apt-get build-dep xyz.deb' and cross my fingers? |
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| 11:25.24 | darkelder | heey |
| 11:25.42 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: no, use the packagename, not the arcivename |
| 11:25.59 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: apt-get build-dep xyz |
| 11:26.16 | _sss | .................... |
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| 11:26.52 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: make sure apt-get chooses the testing source package |
| 11:27.08 | FallOnMe | _sss: there's stuff calles linux-source-2.6.12 available at my mirror. |
| 11:27.18 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: but i thought this was all supposing that i did NOT add testing to the sources.list |
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| 11:27.57 | FallOnMe | _sss: also linux-tree-2.6.12 |
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| 11:28.20 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: you shouldn't add a deb source to your sources.list, but the corrosponding deb-src source |
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| 11:29.11 | Pimpinella | so you downoad the package sources from testing, but you _build_ it against stable's libs |
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| 11:29.41 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: so i can add deb-src http://something/debian testing |
| 11:29.52 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: yep |
| 11:29.57 | selfcontr0l | gotcha! |
| 11:30.08 | xored | !paste |
| 11:30.08 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 11:30.21 | wedgeV | i cant get forwarding the X session with ssh to work, the DISPLAY environment variable just doesnt get set |
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| 11:30.51 | _sss | Fackamato, no,i noly find kernel-source-2.6.8 in my mirror. URL? |
| 11:30.52 | selfcontr0l | so i should use apt as MUCH as possible and not use it as little as possible? |
| 11:30.56 | torc | how do I set CFLAGS for dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 11:31.20 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: then 'apt-get build-dep <packagename>' and 'apt-get -b source <packagename>' and cross your fingers |
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| 11:31.44 | FallOnMe | torc: I'm curious, why would you do that? |
| 11:31.45 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: ints always a good idea to use apt as much as possible |
| 11:31.48 | wedgeV | sshd has X11Forwarding set |
| 11:31.49 | chele | hola |
| 11:31.52 | xored | can someone help me with the proftpd conf : http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste . I still cannot login with ftpnormal. Why ? |
| 11:32.12 | FallOnMe | wedgeV: and ssh client? |
| 11:32.15 | torc | FallOnMe: optimize for altivec on my ppc. |
| 11:32.22 | _sss | http://archive.progeny.com/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/ |
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| 11:32.49 | torc | FallOnMe: just some tiny packages, which are used most of the times, like bzip2, tar, gzip. |
| 11:32.49 | selfcontr0l | Pimpinella: thx for the help |
| 11:33.00 | Pimpinella | selfcontr0l: for further info rean 'man apt-get' ;) gtg, HTH && GL |
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| 11:33.16 | FallOnMe | torc: I guess editing debian/rules might do the trick. IANADD. |
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| 11:33.31 | wedgeV | FallOnMe: client has "Host * \n ForwardX11 yes \n ForwardX11Trusted yes" |
| 11:33.45 | torc | FallOnMe: what about some kind of make.conf ? or I have to do it manually every time? |
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| 11:33.56 | FallOnMe | wedgeV: rats. Was sshd reloaded? ;-) |
| 11:34.25 | FallOnMe | wedgeV: do you have DISPLAY set on the client? |
| 11:34.31 | N0S3 | when they will publish the new version of the centericq???, the current one doesn't connect to the msn ! |
| 11:34.36 | wedgeV | yes to both questions |
| 11:34.53 | FallOnMe | wedgeV: I'm out of obvious stuff. |
| 11:35.33 | torc | FallOnMe: maybe some kind of env variable could do the trick for several packages without editing individual rules? |
| 11:36.04 | torc | FallOnMe: DEBCFLAGS? |
| 11:36.33 | FallOnMe | torc: I don't think every source package has support for that. |
| 11:37.02 | N0S3 | :'( |
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| 11:37.26 | torc | FallOnMe: looking at bzip2, i see that for the first time its initialized with a :=, AFAIK that means preserving the global value. |
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| 11:38.47 | FallOnMe | torc: that means you know more about Makefiles than me. ;-) |
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| 11:40.30 | torc | FallOnMe: heh. thx for the rules clue. |
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| 11:41.42 | xored | why does a USER have to has a shell to login into proftpd ? |
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| 11:42.30 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.37 | jm_ | you can always use bitlbee and your IRC client |
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| 11:45.45 | torc | does dpkg-buildpackage run any tests after compile? |
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| 11:46.52 | valdyn | torc: dpkg-buildpackage doesnt do much at all.. |
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| 11:48.10 | torc | i'm just thinking about recompiling number-crunching apps with optimizations just to get some performance benefits. |
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| 11:48.30 | torc | and I want those debs to be tested, like bzip2's make test :/ |
| 11:49.21 | torc | yeah, sure, I should read the maintainers man. But maybe someone has any useful advice? |
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| 11:49.30 | valdyn | torc: such tests are entirely up to the package maintainer ( which is you now too i guess, see debian/rules |
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| 11:50.23 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 11:50.47 | xored | how to allow only users, which are in a specific group, ssh, to login through ssh ? |
| 11:51.01 | DevilChaos | what codecs do i all need for ogg cant seem to find oggvorbis is it a lib or what? |
| 11:51.08 | valdyn | torc: lintian also can do certain tests, but those arent what you want i guess |
| 11:51.15 | torc | valdyn: if there was a standard way to specify DEBCFLAGS without being overwritten by pkg maintainers rules, debian could be just one step closer to gentoo's "performance" :) not? |
| 11:51.40 | valdyn | torc: well, you just might want to benchmark bzip2 first |
| 11:51.43 | bibe | xored : 'man sshd_config' says to use AllowGroups directive |
| 11:51.43 | torc | valdyn: what I want is a little faster system, but not broken :) |
| 11:51.58 | valdyn | torc: not even -O3 guarantees to be better than -02 |
| 11:52.02 | torc | valdyn: yeah, any test "suite" for bzip2 avail? |
| 11:52.06 | valdyn | torc: heck it can even be worse |
| 11:52.11 | aethera | dvdrip rocks |
| 11:52.19 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 11:52.23 | torc | valdyn: yeah, its just for CPU features not being used. altivec for ppc, sse and others for P4. |
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| 11:52.47 | torc | valdyn: I know. Need to benchmark it. |
| 11:53.09 | DevilChaos | anyone know what codecs i need for media player to read oggs? |
| 11:53.11 | torc | btw... how do I explicitly flush kernel cache\buffers? |
| 11:53.33 | valdyn | torc: you cant do that to my knowledge |
| 11:53.50 | valdyn | torc: dd somelargefile > /dev/null will do it though i guess |
| 11:53.50 | torc | valdyn: ah, so reboot is fine. |
| 11:53.53 | `ns` | ogg codec perhaps, DevilChaos <g> |
| 11:54.37 | valdyn | torc: cat somelargefile > /dev/null will do it though i guess |
| 11:54.43 | torc | valdyn: /dev/urandom is a nice test case, right? afaik bzip2 relies on sorting heavily. |
| 11:54.54 | valdyn | torc: no idea |
| 11:55.15 | torc | ok. will do some tests. be back soon. |
| 11:55.33 | DevilChaos | 'ns':liboggflac++0c102 that do? |
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| 11:55.41 | `ns` | DevilChaos, apt-get install libvorbis0a |
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| 11:55.55 | aethera | I love Debian |
| 11:56.00 | `ns` | DevilChaos, at least that looks like the beast |
| 11:56.25 | selfcontr0l | after installing a new kernel, what is the command to add it to the grub configuration? |
| 11:56.43 | antgel | selfcontr0l: if you use make-kpkg, it should do it for you |
| 11:56.57 | selfcontr0l | i installed it thru apt-get |
| 11:57.16 | DevilChaos | got it thanks |
| 11:57.24 | selfcontr0l | the kernel is in /boot, but i thought there was some automated way to put it into grub |
| 11:57.27 | DevilChaos | 'ns' |
| 11:57.30 | antgel | selfcontr0l: ah, thought you compiled it. dpkg should *still* so it for you |
| 11:57.36 | antgel | s/so/do |
| 11:57.55 | `ns` | DevilChaos, I hope that is the correct one, lots of ogg vorbis libs hanging around on my machine |
| 11:58.24 | DevilChaos | yeah i installed all vorbis |
| 11:58.31 | DevilChaos | ty :) |
| 11:58.38 | `ns` | excellant :) |
| 11:58.52 | DevilChaos | now listening to bodycount with ice-t |
| 11:58.54 | selfcontr0l | antgel: what do you mean it should do it for me? |
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| 11:59.39 | DevilChaos | 'ns':ever tried shorewall? |
| 11:59.45 | ac3 | Hi, i want to create a linux boot disk that with lots of network drivers in. How can i do this? |
| 11:59.59 | `ns` | DevilChaos, not as I recall |
| 12:00.26 | selfcontr0l | antgel: oh i found it heh it's update-grub |
| 12:00.43 | DevilChaos | 'ns': im thinking of trying it on my other nachine |
| 12:00.45 | `ns` | DevilChaos, I tend to use hardware firewalls |
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| 12:01.03 | DevilChaos | 'ns': yeah i have a router aswell |
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| 12:01.10 | freenik | ac3, I think first you need a apropriate kernel |
| 12:01.18 | Orfeous | how do i untar a .tar.gz archive to another folder? |
| 12:01.30 | `ns` | DevilChaos, one less piece of software for me to break :) |
| 12:01.48 | freenik | Orfeous, man tar ? |
| 12:01.49 | antgel | prat |
| 12:01.58 | DevilChaos | 'ns': lol yeah i appreciate that i had magor trouble with xserver |
| 12:02.07 | DevilChaos | oops typo |
| 12:02.12 | Orfeous | freenik: i have looked at it |
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| 12:02.33 | freenik | Orfeous, i dont know, but i cant image that there is no such option |
| 12:02.45 | freenik | imagine |
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| 12:03.05 | DevilChaos | 'ns': do you use usenet user groups through your e-mail? |
| 12:03.08 | `ns` | DevilChaos, I've become fairly proficient with fixing the problems I run into with xserver (usually changes with vid card or monitor) |
| 12:03.12 | Orfeous | ok.. i cant figure out how to type |
| 12:03.18 | Ethics | what does not an elf file mean when trying to work with kernel modules? wrong gcc version? |
| 12:03.55 | DevilChaos | 'ns': i cant use xorg because my GC isnt supported so i have to stay with xfree |
| 12:03.57 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.58 | `ns` | DevilChaos, I only "read" usenet, I never send |
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| 12:04.27 | DevilChaos | 'ns': i cant seem to get it configured in evolution any help? |
| 12:04.50 | `ns` | DevilChaos, sorry, I've never used evolution |
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| 12:04.58 | DevilChaos | 'ns': that good people get ur e-mail easy through that |
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| 12:05.11 | DevilChaos | 'ns': what do you use? |
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| 12:05.24 | doubleukay | hmm.. so here i am with a spanking new mobo - unable to install sarge because of lack of support for the ICH7 chipset |
| 12:05.26 | keith80403 | Orfeous, tar zxf foobar.tar.gz -C /some/other/directory |
| 12:05.27 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 12:05.35 | Orfeous | keith80403: thanks!! |
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| 12:05.39 | doubleukay | i plan to change the kernel in the debian installer |
| 12:05.41 | doubleukay | found some guides |
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| 12:05.45 | doubleukay | but got stuck at one part |
| 12:05.49 | `ns` | DevilChaos, I only use binary newsgroups, so BNR2 fits my needs |
| 12:05.52 | keith80403 | Orfeous, use Big C "-C" I wondered about that for awhile myself (-: |
| 12:06.02 | doubleukay | can someone send me off to somewhere i can get the kernel-config that debians built with? |
| 12:06.12 | Orfeous | keith80403: ok, i tried with "-c" but it didnt work : |
| 12:06.13 | Orfeous | :D |
| 12:06.22 | Ethics | doubleukay, ich7 is supported... |
| 12:06.31 | keith80403 | Orfeous, big C does the trick. Have fun. |
| 12:06.33 | doubleukay | really? dang, why isn't mine then |
| 12:06.34 | Ethics | doubleukay, what boot options you using.. |
| 12:06.37 | Orfeous | thanks a lot! |
| 12:06.45 | doubleukay | Ethics, i didn't use any |
| 12:07.10 | DevilChaos | 'ns':ok ill see if thats any good for me thanks for help again :) |
| 12:07.11 | Ethics | doubleukay, try linux26.....2.6 kernel should work...you may need to probe sata manually |
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| 12:07.26 | doubleukay | hmm ok, i'll look that up |
| 12:07.34 | doubleukay | was booting linux26 but didn't probe sata manually |
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| 12:07.56 | doubleukay | i hope you're right, it will save me a lot of time! |
| 12:07.59 | Ethics | doubleukay, just alt-f2 to another screen then modprobe ata-piix see how that goes |
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| 12:08.10 | doubleukay | ok |
| 12:08.15 | Ethics | doubleukay, and ide-disk maybee... |
| 12:08.30 | doubleukay | btw, i was trying to run the install over the serial console at first |
| 12:08.39 | doubleukay | the graphical boot screen killed it i think. |
| 12:08.50 | doubleukay | wonder if there's a way i could remove that |
| 12:08.51 | Ethics | doubleukay, ich6 here had similar issues...hacked my way through tho with no modifications to installer...just probing etc |
| 12:08.58 | doubleukay | thanks |
| 12:10.01 | Ethics | anyone got any clues on why depmod -a would tell me my new kernel modules are not "elf" files...is that a GCC version issue? |
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| 12:10.21 | wall_unit | Hi, where can i find a dictionery-file for johntheripper? |
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| 12:10.50 | Ethics | wall_unit, google...it wont be too hard jacks been around for years |
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| 12:10.56 | DevilChaos | wall_unit: google search |
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| 12:13.12 | paawelek | hi! |
| 12:13.20 | DevilChaos | anyone in here like drowningpool? |
| 12:13.43 | pure2 | hello! |
| 12:13.52 | Ethics | DevilChaos, in my list.....like is vaiable hehe some i do some i dont |
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| 12:14.16 | Ethics | less than zero is annoying hehe |
| 12:14.36 | CHRek | dctv ghbdtn |
| 12:14.37 | DevilChaos | debian kicks ass! |
| 12:14.44 | CHRek | âñåì ïðèâåò |
| 12:14.54 | Ethics | chrek english if you can 8) |
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| 12:15.42 | paawelek | can anyone help me with ldap? |
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| 12:16.04 | beardy | !ask to ask |
| 12:16.04 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
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| 12:16.20 | doubleukay | lol |
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| 12:16.27 | Ethics | !lol |
| 12:16.28 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 12:16.39 | Ethics | 8) |
| 12:16.41 | doubleukay | what the. |
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| 12:17.03 | CHRek | ïîøëè âû âñå |
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| 12:17.09 | Ethics | fun with bots 8) |
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| 12:17.42 | dimir | Êóäà? |
| 12:17.49 | beardy | !ru |
| 12:17.50 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 12:18.00 | Ethics | hmm what version of gcc is the latest kernnels built with? gcc 4 or 3? |
| 12:18.00 | dimir | :-) |
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| 12:18.26 | CHRek | ïî ðàçíû ñòðàíàì |
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| 12:18.51 | dimir | Another idiot. |
| 12:19.17 | Ethics | !lart CHRek |
| 12:19.23 | paawelek | not an idiot, a n00b |
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| 12:20.16 | dimir | paawelek: did you understand everything he said? |
| 12:20.26 | jose1711 | hello, is there a way how to limit directory size (i want to avoid disk quotas)? |
| 12:20.52 | doubleukay | you can try to limit it at the application level. |
| 12:21.07 | paawelek | i guess i'll have to ask my question via !ask |
| 12:21.17 | CHRek | äî ñâèäàíüå ëîõè |
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| 12:21.25 | Ethics | paawelek, what you need help with?.. |
| 12:21.26 | dimir | jose1711: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+limit+directory+size&btnG=Search |
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| 12:21.42 | dimir | CHRek: get lost. |
| 12:21.46 | paawelek | Ethics: ldap |
| 12:22.08 | dimir | !ask to ask |
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| 12:22.22 | paawelek | !ask I need help with ldap |
| 12:22.27 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
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| 12:23.55 | aethera | whats the stuff to add to get your mouse wheel working |
| 12:24.07 | aethera | zAxisMapping 4 5? |
| 12:24.29 | Ethics | umm for x11? |
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| 12:24.38 | aethera | I have that in |
| 12:24.45 | Ethics | paawelek, yeah what about it... |
| 12:24.45 | aethera | but in my system it does not work |
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| 12:25.22 | Ethics | aethera, if its just your mouse just use imps2 protocol... |
| 12:25.43 | dimir | in case it's a wheel mouse. |
| 12:25.57 | aethera | Ethi Option "Protocol" "imps2"cs |
| 12:26.09 | aethera | Ethics Option "Protocol" "imps2" |
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| 12:26.13 | aethera | like that? |
| 12:26.14 | Ethics | aethera, let me check naming.. |
| 12:26.15 | jm_ | imps2 is appropriate for gpm, but not for X |
| 12:26.42 | utg | ImPS/2 |
| 12:26.48 | Kerr | where does skype store it's contact list :-/ ? |
| 12:27.02 | dimir | ~/.skype or something? |
| 12:27.18 | aethera | whats a good smb browser for fluxbox? |
| 12:27.22 | doubleukay | hmm |
| 12:27.29 | doubleukay | ttyS0 = COM1 or is it ttyS1? |
| 12:27.30 | aethera | or a nice filemanager that supports samba |
| 12:27.39 | aethera | COM@ |
| 12:27.40 | aethera | COM2 |
| 12:27.57 | Ethics | doubleukay, ttys0 |
| 12:28.02 | doubleukay | thanks |
| 12:28.36 | doubleukay | yes, it works! |
| 12:28.38 | Ethics | aethera, any that work heheh..i mount mine.. |
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| 12:28.49 | aethera | has anyone seen total commander? |
| 12:28.57 | aethera | I want something simaler for my system |
| 12:29.01 | beardy | aethera: mc |
| 12:29.10 | aethera | I want a gui verson |
| 12:29.14 | aethera | not curses |
| 12:29.17 | beardy | aethera: xterm |
| 12:29.23 | aethera | beardy lol |
| 12:29.24 | aethera | :P |
| 12:29.30 | aethera | I use aterm |
| 12:29.31 | aethera | :) |
| 12:29.32 | doubleukay | the kde stuff support samba iinm |
| 12:29.38 | Ethics | aethera, mc with mounted samba shares.....or konqueror/nautilus ...i dont mind a few wms loaed |
| 12:29.46 | beardy | aethera: *term :) |
| 12:29.57 | Xenguy | aethera: krusader ? |
| 12:30.02 | jose1711 | dimir, google does not give answer at all.. |
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| 12:30.16 | aethera | Ethics I dont have smbmount |
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| 12:30.31 | jm_ | LinNeighborhood can fire up any browser of your choice |
| 12:30.35 | jm_ | and mount things |
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| 12:30.47 | torc | valdyn: heh. my ppc showed 0.5% decrease in performance with a special CPU optimized recompile on bzip2 test. |
| 12:30.49 | beardy | aethera: mc works nice though, has mouse support and so on. |
| 12:31.02 | Ethics | aeddan, um mount -tsmbfs i think it was..been a while i dont screw around to much once i do stuff hehe. |
| 12:31.05 | torc | valdyn: while dual xeon nocona a 8.2% increase (yay!) :) |
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| 12:31.34 | Ethics | !gentoo |
| 12:31.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 12:32.09 | beardy | I don't use filemanagers though, but if I do, it's usually mc.. |
| 12:32.15 | Ethics | hmm its changed again...used to be a joke about compiling everything to get your system running .00034% faster.. |
| 12:32.18 | dav1 | hi guys, is this the right place to get help using debian? when i type 'apt-get update ' i get the following message, 'Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 |
| 12:32.18 | dav1 | E: Method bzip2 has died unexpectedly! |
| 12:32.18 | dav1 | E: Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 did not start correctly |
| 12:32.18 | dav1 | ' |
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| 12:32.40 | aethera | dav1 do apt-setup |
| 12:32.41 | aethera | first |
| 12:32.42 | torc | Ethics: its not about a system wide recomple, just some number crunching things you use a lot. |
| 12:32.50 | torc | Ethics: like bzip2 or tar or anything for backup, for ex. |
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| 12:33.43 | Ethics | torc hehe i know but !gentoo used to fire of the oMG i recompiled all this crap for bugger all...Jjoke |
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| 12:34.22 | lestest | In debconf-set-selections manpage there is a mention of debconf-get-selections but I can't find it in the command in the debconf package. Any clue? |
| 12:34.58 | torc | Ethics: heh. sure. gentoo has all that recompile_hell, and need_a_sec_update_recompile_then_hell. |
| 12:35.22 | jm_ | lestest: it's not meant to be run by you |
| 12:35.39 | caphuso | lestest: you are looking in the wrong package |
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| 12:36.20 | sep | lestest, you mean dpkg --get-selections perhaps ? |
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| 12:36.39 | dimir | jose1711: http://aplawrence.com/Bofcusm/1403.html |
| 12:36.46 | jm_ | or is it? I suppose it's useful for custom installations |
| 12:37.17 | dav1 | hi, when i run 'apt-get update', it says 'Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2'. any help would be much appreciated. |
| 12:37.25 | Kerr | i have my mic on, i cn hear it fine, i have the capture volume to max, but i can't speak on skype. any ideas? |
| 12:37.26 | Ethics | tveeprom.ko.gz is not an elf object....when depmod -a is run....would that be drivers compiled under wrong gcc or am i chasing the wrong ideas? |
| 12:37.30 | valdyn | dav1: run apt-setup |
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| 12:37.42 | dav1 | ok, thx valdyn |
| 12:37.42 | valdyn | dav1: ls -l /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 |
| 12:38.17 | Ethics | kerr its muted....volume up and unmute are different switches |
| 12:38.40 | valdyn | Ethics: its gzip compressed |
| 12:38.57 | Kerr | everything on alsamuxer is unmuted and maxed. i hear the mic fine, and the capture/recording vol is maxtoo |
| 12:39.02 | Ethics | valdyn, hmm it isnt meant to be?...ok then |
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| 12:39.09 | streuner | Kerr: why asking here? they don't have support? |
| 12:39.18 | valdyn | Ethics: i havent got an idea why you have that file there |
| 12:39.33 | doubleukay | Ethics, loading ata_piix and ide-disk didn't work |
| 12:39.45 | Kerr | they don't have an irc channel |
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| 12:39.56 | valdyn | !others don't know |
| 12:39.57 | doubleukay | only thing that shows is "libata version 1.02 loaded." |
| 12:40.02 | Ethics | valdyn new kernel drivers for tv card...instructions said to gzip...must be distro differences or something quirky hehe |
| 12:40.04 | valdyn | !others |
| 12:40.05 | beardy | !they don't know |
| 12:40.05 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:40.16 | Ethics | doubleukay, so what are you up to? |
| 12:40.30 | doubleukay | Ethics, pondering :) |
| 12:40.34 | valdyn | Ethics: kernel modules aren't supposed to be gzipped anywhere |
| 12:41.02 | dav1 | valdyn '-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 750 2005-07-20 17:41 /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2' |
| 12:41.09 | Kerr | they don't have a channel.. and it's a package i got via apt; from bootsplash.de .. would it be more debian if i switched to a different source? |
| 12:41.12 | doubleukay | damn. guess i'm gonna have to look into making my own kernel. |
| 12:41.45 | streuner | Kerr: http://support.skype.com/ |
| 12:41.50 | valdyn | dav1: this file looks broken |
| 12:41.50 | dav1 | when i run 'apt-setup' it says 'Failed to access the package archive.....Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 E: Method bzip2 has.....' |
| 12:42.04 | Kerr | gonna try skype-static. |
| 12:43.04 | Ethics | valdyn, see the 3rd code box .....http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto |
| 12:43.04 | dav1 | broken? |
| 12:43.05 | Kerr | I asked here becuase i imagine therer will be more debian skype users in #debian than on their forum. |
| 12:43.05 | beardy | valdyn: "others don't know" also exists now, for the future. |
| 12:43.05 | valdyn | dav1: apt-get install --reinstall apt |
| 12:43.07 | valdyn | beardy: hehe, thanks |
| 12:43.08 | _Roey | !who doesn't know? |
| 12:43.08 | dpkg | methinks doesn't know is not at all |
| 12:43.25 | pure2 | !gender |
| 12:43.25 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 12:43.28 | _Roey | !age |
| 12:43.29 | dpkg | I'm immortal. |
| 12:43.31 | beardy | !botabuse |
| 12:43.32 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:43.37 | _Roey | hahahhaa :) |
| 12:43.41 | pure2 | !sex |
| 12:43.41 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 12:43.44 | _Roey | pure2: :) |
| 12:43.52 | streuner | pure2: play in #debian-bots |
| 12:43.59 | pure2 | it really should say "yes please" |
| 12:44.03 | pure2 | ill msg it :) |
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| 12:44.24 | valdyn | dav1: i didnt break it, 750 bytes is in any case to small for an executable to be right |
| 12:44.54 | valdyn | dav1: s/executable/binary executable/ |
| 12:45.27 | dav1 | Reinstallation of apt is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
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| 12:45.41 | beardy | dav1: Get the .deb, use dpkg. |
| 12:45.53 | valdyn | dav1: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:46.12 | beardy | dav1: After thinking carefully about it, to not do anything stupid. |
| 12:48.11 | yang | I wonder if linksys wireless routers are supported in debian |
| 12:48.30 | valdyn | Ethics: i see, so mandriva uses gzipped modules.. |
| 12:48.37 | Ethics | valdyn, ahh i figured out the problem...i missed the line that said mandriva deistro uses GZ files....do the following...so mandriva apparently does hehe |
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| 12:48.38 | petemc | yang: huh? |
| 12:48.43 | beardy | yang: ? |
| 12:48.47 | dav1 | i downloaded it, but it still says the same thing |
| 12:48.47 | doubleukay | why not, unless your linksys speaks klingon instead of tcp/ip |
| 12:48.58 | Ethics | valdyn, hehe figured it at the same time hehe |
| 12:49.10 | beardy | doubleukay: There probably is kernel patches for that anyway. |
| 12:49.15 | beardy | are |
| 12:49.24 | valdyn | dav1: did you dpkg -i it? |
| 12:49.28 | doubleukay | oh i found the weirdest thing on my box the other day |
| 12:49.32 | dav1 | ?@valdyn? |
| 12:49.32 | beardy | ;) |
| 12:49.34 | doubleukay | man ddate (if you have postgres installed) |
| 12:49.50 | valdyn | dav1: what did you download, what did you do with that download |
| 12:49.54 | doubleukay | # ddate --> Today is Sweetmorn, the 44th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3171 |
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| 12:50.03 | dav1 | i downloaded apt to the desktop |
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| 12:50.09 | yang | linksys from cisco systems , wireless G (802.11g) routers & access points |
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| 12:50.14 | valdyn | dav1: and then? |
| 12:50.31 | blindboygrunt | hello all, I'm trying to test my exim config doing re-writes of mail - but the normal ehlo andhelo commad doesn't seem to work - is there something I am doing wrong? |
| 12:50.32 | dav1 | apt-get install --reinstall apt, like u said before |
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| 12:50.43 | Phated | :O |
| 12:50.52 | valdyn | dav1: run 'dpkg -i file.deb' |
| 12:51.24 | Ethics | doubleukay, so did you get anywhere on that install? where you get to in the process....it just cant find hard disks? |
| 12:51.52 | beardy | doubleukay: ddate is part of base/util-linux |
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| 12:56.13 | martin__ | is there a menu driven config tool for the xserver? |
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| 12:56.17 | doubleukay | beardy, ah ok. it's.. bizarre.. |
| 12:56.20 | Pimpinella | blindboygrunt: there's an option for exim that shows very detailed what exim would do with a mail for a specific adress. i don't remember whar it was right now, but man exim should help. probably this would help you even more |
| 12:56.22 | petemc | blindboygrunt: define doesnt work, also exim has great testing facilities, like exim -bt some@address |
| 12:56.23 | beardy | !drxx martin__ |
| 12:56.26 | dpkg | martin__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 12:57.10 | martin__ | thanks |
| 12:57.24 | doubleukay | Ethics, spawned a shell and modprobed ata_piix and ide-disk, but it didn't detect the disk (dmesg showed that libata loaded but that's it) |
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| 12:58.31 | Ethics | doubleukay, join #flood |
| 12:59.04 | dav1 | thx valdyn :) |
| 13:00.21 | heanol | anyone using cron-apt? i'm wondering about the MAILON-values.. what to set it to if i only want mails if there's something to update? |
| 13:00.37 | heanol | upgrade? and will i still get error mails? |
| 13:00.58 | aethera | jeanre@weblifejsx:~$ alsamixer |
| 13:01.00 | aethera | No mixer elems found |
| 13:01.34 | dav1 | while i'm here, does anyone know how to install the help for openoffice, when i click contents in the help menu it says ' The requested document does not exist in the database !! ' |
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| 13:03.58 | sdschulze | Hi; is there a reason why octave-force depends on octave2.1? What's wrong with 2.9? |
| 13:03.58 | Thanatermesis | my system crashes using xscreensaver, my driver is i810 but no need to use acceleration for the crash, "Caught signal 11. Server aborting" and xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 0 , any person have any idea about this ? |
| 13:04.10 | Thanatermesis | s/system/graphical interface/ |
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| 13:05.02 | cls_ | list |
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| 13:05.20 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 13:05.41 | SimonRaven | and a /help |
| 13:05.42 | cls_ | hehe |
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| 13:05.49 | cls_ | hai |
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| 13:05.55 | cls_ | hai |
| 13:06.06 | cls_ | hello erver body |
| 13:06.09 | fireba11 | wth ? |
| 13:06.14 | Ethics | Thanatermesis, well gart is more an AGP thing...is it possibly screen blanking or mobo monitor saver.. |
| 13:06.22 | SimonRaven | hello |
| 13:06.22 | blindboygrunt | Pimpinella, petemc: thank you very much for your help |
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| 13:06.46 | nyk2005 | hi! |
| 13:06.57 | cls_ | saf |
| 13:07.14 | nyk2005 | I have a problem setting up dovecot on debian, I got it working an fedora an an other server. |
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| 13:07.26 | nyk2005 | just can't connect to the server! |
| 13:07.40 | nyk2005 | not from local, nor from remote... |
| 13:07.47 | petemc | nyk2005: is it running? can you telnet to the appropraite port? |
| 13:08.28 | nyk2005 | petemc: it always 143? |
| 13:08.32 | Thanatermesis | blanking Ethics ? mmmh, i look from one week, "stills" in the monitor.. same to a "bad contact in the monitor". mmmh, do you thing about this is because is running the "hardware saver" ? |
| 13:08.33 | nyk2005 | petemc: it's always 143? |
| 13:08.42 | petemc | nyk2005: depends, imap is, imap-ssl is 993 |
| 13:08.44 | doubleukay | @Ethics, was that paste from a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel? |
| 13:08.58 | nyk2005 | petemc: I activated both... |
| 13:09.16 | petemc | nyk2005: you're not answering my questions.. |
| 13:09.18 | nyk2005 | petemc: telnet to port 143 works! |
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| 13:10.17 | nyk2005 | petemc: on 143 I get the dovecot welcome, and on 993 it's just "connected", but no greeting.. |
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| 13:12.37 | nyk2005 | petemc: strange.... so I can connct with telnet, but not with thunderbird from home. but it's not firewalled, I asked my provider... (it's running on a virtual debian server) |
| 13:12.58 | petemc | nyk2005: and you're telneting from the same pc you're running thunderbird? |
| 13:13.08 | nyk2005 | petemc: no |
| 13:13.13 | nyk2005 | petemc: no, from the server |
| 13:13.19 | petemc | thats smart |
| 13:13.53 | Ethics | nyk2005, if it makes you feel better my outlook at work wont send mail or pickup from pop but outlook express will....on of these is crap even for microsoft but its just bizarre... |
| 13:13.55 | nyk2005 | petemc: I tried from home now, I get Connection refused... :( |
| 13:14.22 | petemc | nyk2005: so, you're being firewalle somewhere, something like lft will tell you where |
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| 13:14.48 | nyk2005 | petemc: lft? |
| 13:14.51 | petemc | yes |
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| 13:15.32 | SimonRaven | !info lft |
| 13:15.36 | nyk2005 | petemc: I'm emerging it... |
| 13:15.42 | petemc | you're what? |
| 13:15.50 | petemc | nyk2005: #gentoo |
| 13:16.11 | petemc | oh, the server runs debian.. |
| 13:16.16 | petemc | fair enough :) |
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| 13:16.29 | nyk2005 | petemc: only at home, the server is debian.... and I got dovecot running on fedora too (word), and there it work with IMAPS from the gentoo thunderbird |
| 13:16.40 | petemc | all good |
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| 13:16.47 | nyk2005 | petemc: I meant (work) |
| 13:16.53 | nyk2005 | strange... |
| 13:17.57 | nyk2005 | petemc: but lft is successfull! |
| 13:18.20 | nyk2005 | petemc: reaches port 143 in 12ms |
| 13:18.26 | dav1 | hi, the openoffice.org-help files are not in the lists when i use aptitude, anyone any ideas why? my sources.list file is 'eb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free' 'deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free' 'deb http://security.debian.org stable/testing main contrib non-free' |
| 13:19.28 | petemc | nyk2005:odd, try tcpdump or ethereal |
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| 13:19.50 | Ethics | !find openoffice.org-help |
| 13:19.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'openoffice.org-help' (12): openoffice.org-help-cs ;; openoffice.org-help-de ;; openoffice.org-help-en-us ;; openoffice.org-help-es ;; openoffice.org-help-fr ;; openoffice.org-help-it ;; openoffice.org-help-ja ;; openoffice.org-help-ko ;; openoffice.org-help-pt-br ;; openoffice.org-help-sv ;; openoffice.org-help-zh-cn ;; openoffice.org-help-zh-tw. |
| 13:20.04 | aethera | later guys |
| 13:20.06 | aethera | enjoy |
| 13:20.07 | aethera | :) |
| 13:20.19 | lestest | jm_: why? |
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| 13:20.50 | dav1 | bash: !find: event not found |
| 13:21.19 | valdyn | dav1: pick one of those listed above, there is no openoffice.org-help package, only packages providing this 'feature' |
| 13:21.36 | Ethics | dav1 whave you done apt-get update recently.. |
| 13:22.09 | N0S3 | i use bitlbee , i need state online on msn always , how i make it? |
| 13:22.15 | dav1 | yeah i know i need the english one but it doesnt list any of them? |
| 13:22.46 | Ethics | dav1, try apt-get install openoffice.org-help-en-us |
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| 13:23.16 | Ethics | funny how theres only US english not british hehe |
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| 13:23.39 | nyk2005 | petemc: and look for the protocol handshake? |
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| 13:24.15 | saloxin | nyk2005: telnet host 143 ? |
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| 13:24.29 | dav1 | k, thx, will have to wait while aptitude finishes installing other stuff, cos the lock file is locked |
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| 13:25.19 | lestest | jm_: referred to the fact that of the debconf-get-selections is not meant to be run by me. why? |
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| 13:26.55 | lestest | caphuso: which package should I look in? |
| 13:27.19 | Ethics | lestest its called by apt/aptitude as part of its functions...maybe dselect also and tasksel... |
| 13:27.31 | nightm0de | hi |
| 13:27.47 | Ethics | !hi nightm0de |
| 13:27.48 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai nightm0de! |
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| 13:28.00 | lestest | Ethics: I need it for a cluster installation configuration |
| 13:28.12 | nightm0de | have problem with 1. pear 2. pear pdo 3. pear pdo_mysql install |
| 13:28.13 | saloxin | nyk2005: lft uses port 80 by default it seems, -d 143 might help |
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| 13:29.01 | valdyn | nyk2005: and port 53 locally.. |
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| 13:29.32 | nightm0de | can not compile pdo_mysql because the script cannot find the mysql.h - but install libmysqlclient10-dev |
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| 13:31.07 | jm_ | lestest: ignore me, i corrected myself later |
| 13:31.33 | saloxin | nightm0de: dpkg -L libmysqlclient10-dev will tell you where it ended up. ./configure --mysql-libs /usr orso to help proggie find it's libs |
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| 13:32.47 | nightm0de | !website |
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| 13:33.23 | nightm0de | where is the paste website? |
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| 13:33.35 | azeem | !paster |
| 13:33.36 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 13:33.41 | azeem | hey Manny |
| 13:33.43 | Manny | hi |
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| 13:35.10 | Manny | I quiet often have problem with dpkg/apt-get. When installing a package with dpkg, it is half-installed because of unsatisfied deps. When trying to install them using apt-get -f install, it uninstalls the package again. Is there anything like build-dep which auto-installs apt-gettable dependencies of a particular .deb package? |
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| 13:35.24 | nightm0de | ok i here ist thi output http://channels.debian.net/paste/1205 |
| 13:35.29 | tarzeau | Manny: which package? sid? |
| 13:35.30 | azeem | Manny: mvo wrote some tool for Ubuntu |
| 13:35.51 | nightm0de | here is the output http://channels.debian.net/paste/1205 :) |
| 13:35.55 | Manny | tarzeau, python-at-spi, built from GNOME CVS, dogtail built from 0.4.2 source tree |
| 13:36.12 | tarzeau | Manny: your own debian packages? |
| 13:36.13 | Manny | yesterday, I experienced the same when trying to install KTechLab on my brother's computer. |
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| 13:36.24 | Manny | tarzeau, yeah, at least they're not apt-gettable |
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| 13:36.34 | jm_ | well doh |
| 13:36.41 | Manny | azeem, how is the glue called? |
| 13:36.48 | azeem | Manny: hang on, I'm looking for it |
| 13:36.48 | resiak | I am rubber, you are glue. |
| 13:36.52 | Manny | azeem, thanks :) |
| 13:36.53 | azeem | resiak: huh? |
| 13:37.05 | azeem | Manny: ususally, dpkg -i foo; apt-get -f install might work |
| 13:37.08 | azeem | but not always |
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| 13:37.56 | Tenkawa | I see apt-file i still broke in unstable |
| 13:37.59 | Tenkawa | er is |
| 13:38.05 | saloxin | nightm0de: i'd consider that a serious pdo_mysql bug. it spews errors earlier as well, something is wrong |
| 13:38.06 | azeem | Manny: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/gdebi/ |
| 13:38.12 | Manny | azeem, sometimes the dep tracking seems to be broken. It depended on libqt4, which was replaced by some libqt4c2 package or something, which in fact *was* available, but wasn't installed |
| 13:38.18 | Manny | azeem, thanks |
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| 13:38.23 | Tenkawa | er libapt-pkg-perl I think technically |
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| 13:38.48 | azeem | Manny: there have been quite a number of libqt renames, I lost track |
| 13:38.55 | ma3x | hello |
| 13:39.00 | ma3x | do you know the url? |
| 13:39.09 | azeem | ma3x: of what? |
| 13:39.10 | ma3x | of the uninstallable packages in Sid? |
| 13:39.15 | jm_ | ma3x: yeah, http://goatse.cx/ |
| 13:39.22 | ma3x | i.e. broken packages |
| 13:39.24 | azeem | jm_: dude |
| 13:39.30 | selfcontr0l | jm_: heh |
| 13:39.31 | azeem | jm_: please either be helpful or shut up |
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| 13:39.39 | tarzeau | jm_: that doesn't work anymore, try www.goatse.org/mirror |
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| 13:39.50 | jm_ | tarzeau: yeah the fuckers canceled his domain |
| 13:39.51 | sciboy | Hello, next to me i have my little brothers computer, which i am currently trying to setup a desktop installation of debian for, but in order to get it connected to the wireless network i need to grab a few packages and all their recursive dependencies pop them onto a usb stick and copy it across, doing this by hand will obviously take a long time, is there a quick solution? |
| 13:40.13 | tarzeau | jm_: yes i have all the story: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/goatse.txt |
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| 13:40.17 | jm_ | azeem: what? he asked for an URL, have got it, what more do you want |
| 13:40.20 | jm_ | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 13:40.43 | azeem | jm_: I want a nice, friendly channel |
| 13:40.57 | sciboy | Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 13:41.04 | sep | azeem, then your in the wrong place |
| 13:41.06 | valdyn | sciboy: use apt-zip |
| 13:41.17 | jm_ | sciboy: apt-rdepends |
| 13:41.18 | azeem | sep: no |
| 13:41.22 | tarzeau | sciboy: use a real network card? |
| 13:41.32 | azeem | ma3x: I am not sure there is one, there is the testing report though listing packages which won't migrate due to uninstallabilities, e.g. |
| 13:41.53 | sciboy | tarzeau: What use is a real network card, without a real network? |
| 13:42.09 | ma3x | azeem, there was one URL with a list of all uninstallable (broken) packages in sid |
| 13:42.10 | tarzeau | sciboy: make a real network? |
| 13:42.21 | sciboy | tarzeau: Now that's just becoming too much work. =P |
| 13:42.31 | tarzeau | sciboy: easier than any media |
| 13:42.35 | azeem | ma3x: maybe somewhere on qa.debian.org |
| 13:42.40 | sciboy | tarzeau: We'll see. |
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| 13:43.19 | Tenkawa | well all you really need to do is use debootstrap to create a staging install.. apt-get the applicable packages then copy the debs to a cd/dvd |
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| 13:43.35 | Tenkawa | put those in your remote cache repository and install away |
| 13:43.53 | cheal | ma3x: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php |
| 13:43.54 | Tenkawa | works pretty well for me |
| 13:44.15 | nyk2005 | saloxin: I used -d 143, and it worked. |
| 13:44.27 | cheal | azeem: come on, jm_ just gave a stupid answer to a stupid question |
| 13:44.32 | nyk2005 | saloxin: but not with telnet |
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| 13:44.48 | azeem | cheal: no |
| 13:44.56 | azeem | 14:34 < ma3x> do you know the url? |
| 13:44.59 | azeem | 14:34 < ma3x> of the uninstallable packages in Sid? |
| 13:45.00 | saloxin | nyk2005: weirdo. what firewalls do you have between? |
| 13:45.01 | azeem | 14:34 < jm_> ma3x: yeah, http://goatse.cx/ |
| 13:45.12 | azeem | best you can say is he shouldn't use enter that much |
| 13:45.30 | cheal | yeah |
| 13:45.40 | jm_ | I only saw his URL question when I wrote that, otherwise I wouldn't bother |
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| 13:46.02 | nyk2005 | saloxin: none |
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| 13:46.05 | azeem | "No question is too stupid to ask. Of course, some are too stupid to answer" |
| 13:46.11 | azeem | -- Larry Wall |
| 13:46.14 | N0S3 | i need a graphical interface, I need him to run as a daemon and to recover this by means of vnc that they recommend me ? |
| 13:46.31 | jm_ | use VNC server |
| 13:46.35 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 13:46.55 | saloxin | nyk2005: is the imap daemon up and runing? can you conect to it from localhost? telnetl localhost 143 on the imap server |
| 13:46.55 | jm_ | or nx - apparently that can be resumed too |
| 13:47.06 | Tenkawa | nx is a hog though |
| 13:47.11 | Tenkawa | at least when I tested it |
| 13:47.34 | ma3x | azeem, very smart! thanks for the quote and url |
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| 13:47.48 | nyk2005 | saloxin: when I do "lft -d 143 nyk.ch", I see it in "tcpdump | grep nyk.ch" (nyk.ch is the server), but "telnet nyk.ch 143", doesn't show anything in tcpdump |
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| 13:47.57 | nyk2005 | saloxin: yes, it works locally |
| 13:48.05 | jm_ | I am not motivated enough to test NX, because our work only allows telnet so I can't test it at home ;) |
| 13:48.22 | N0S3 | jm_: ok |
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| 13:49.43 | xfan | who know a "text mode" cd-burner ? |
| 13:49.50 | azeem | xfan: cdrecord |
| 13:49.51 | tarzeau | xfan: cdrecord / cdrdao |
| 13:49.52 | saloxin | nyk2005: tcptraceroute shows -> 12 www.nyk.ch (80.74.143.109) [closed] , do you have uotables running o the machine? |
| 13:50.03 | saloxin | iptables |
| 13:50.32 | xfan | azemm: cdrecord its some difficult |
| 13:50.38 | selfcontr0l | ok someone asked this earlier and i can't think of what it was...but dpkg responded with 2 programs (having to do with figuring out what process is locking a file |
| 13:50.48 | FontPolice | I have a quick question that I can't seem to find the right google search terms for. Where do the init scripts log to by default, when you run them manually (ie to restart a service)? Nothing useful in /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages . |
| 13:51.04 | Ethics | xfan so was cdrwin for dos.... |
| 13:51.13 | azeem | FontPolice: there is bootlogd |
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| 13:51.16 | azeem | (sometimes) |
| 13:51.21 | xfan | tarzeau , azeem :i need a text interface for cdrecord/cdrdao |
| 13:51.31 | valdyn | xfan: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom file.iso ( that is difficult? ) |
| 13:51.31 | azeem | xfan: why? |
| 13:51.48 | xfan | and how to copy a data-cd ? |
| 13:51.56 | jm_ | cdrdao has copy command |
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| 13:52.12 | tarzeau | xfan: cdread? |
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| 13:52.16 | tarzeau | xfan: err readcd? |
| 13:52.22 | xfan | man cdrdao ... xD |
| 13:52.23 | tarzeau | xfan: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ is my hint sheet |
| 13:52.39 | azeem | FontPolice: if you have bootlogd installed, you might need to enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd, dunno |
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| 13:53.01 | xfan | no err |
| 13:53.07 | xfan | a good CD |
| 13:53.26 | CoNdA | Hey, can someone help me. From time to time, xdm wont execute, stating that it is not selected as the default display manager. Like now for instance. How do I set it to be the default display manager. (debian 3.1 + testing) |
| 13:53.29 | nyk2005 | saloxin: I don't think so, but "iptables --list" shows some stuff like (policy ACCEPT) |
| 13:53.52 | antgel | CoNdA: what do you mean "won't execute"? |
| 13:53.58 | azeem | CoNdA: check update-alternatives --config x-display-manager, perhaps |
| 13:54.00 | jm_ | CoNdA: ls /etc/X11|grep display-manager |
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| 13:54.23 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:54.37 | xfan | i used a text interface for cdrecord, but i dont remember |
| 13:54.55 | CoNdA | Usually, X loads up and xdm(the login manager?) executes and I get a login screen. But sometimes, like now. X loads up, and the last line is "xdm wont execute, because it is not set as the default display manager" or something. |
| 13:55.27 | FontPolice | azeen: that looks useful, but it's not quite what I'm looking for. I just want the output from the init.d scripts, even when I run them manually, since they don't output to stdout. |
| 13:55.32 | valdyn | CoNdA: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 13:55.32 | tarzeau | nyk2005: dead link: http://www.nyk.ch/cgi/nbook.cgi |
| 13:55.40 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: but no iptable chains are defined.. |
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| 13:55.59 | azeem | FontPolice: oh |
| 13:56.13 | davidou | hi all |
| 13:56.15 | nyk2005 | tarzeau: I know, have to change some cgi to cgi-bin |
| 13:56.16 | azeem | FontPolice: I don't think there is much you can do |
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| 13:56.39 | azeem | besides hacking all the scipts to be more verbose, of course |
| 13:56.57 | CoNdA | In the "default-display-manager" file I find one line; "usr/bin/kdm" |
| 13:56.57 | FontPolice | yeah, I thought there might be a facility already available to do that. |
| 13:57.02 | davidou | got a strange problem with R51 thinkpad, 2.6.12, e1000 and gnome 2.10 |
| 13:57.07 | tarzeau | nyk2005: you study biology in berne? |
| 13:57.24 | jm_ | CoNdA: there you go |
| 13:57.25 | FontPolice | I only need this for a few services, I'll hack something up. |
| 13:57.28 | FontPolice | thanks |
| 13:57.52 | davidou | is this a good place to ask? |
| 13:57.53 | nyk2005 | I did a mistake with the tcpdump. when I do telnet nyk.ch 143, I get "R 0:0(0) ack 4259778849 win 0" in tcpdump, what can it mean? |
| 13:58.16 | nyk2005 | the line is: IP www.nyk.ch.imap > 84-72-112-136.dclient.hispeed.ch.44735: R 0:0(0) ack 4259778849 win 0 |
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| 13:58.28 | CoNdA | valdyn: what is supposed to be in the default-display-manager, according to the log-output in the startup both kdm and xdm is used. (I use kde, if that has anything to do with it) |
| 13:58.32 | nyk2005 | tarzeau: yeah I did, now I'm doing pdf |
| 13:58.33 | azeem | davidou: sure |
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| 13:58.36 | nyk2005 | tarzeau: i mean phd |
| 13:58.48 | azeem | davidou: nobody might be help you, though, but you will only find out if you ask |
| 13:58.54 | valdyn | CoNdA: /path/to/dmof_your_choice |
| 13:59.32 | valdyn | CoNdA: run dpkg-reconfigure kdm, then look at that file again |
| 13:59.33 | davidou | ok, here is the problem: if the module e1000 is loaded, then trying to launch a gnome-session won't work |
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| 13:59.40 | CoNdA | valdyn thanks |
| 13:59.51 | antgel | davidou: if you're running debian, it's a good place to ask |
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| 13:59.58 | valdyn | CoNdA: should read /usr/bin/kdm, if you run dpkg-reconfigure xdm it should read /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm or somesuch |
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| 14:00.05 | davidou | after ifdown eth0; rmmod e1000, gnome-session is ok ??? |
| 14:00.18 | Bogaurd | is proftpd slower than vsftpd? |
| 14:00.19 | davidou | antgel, yes, debian |
| 14:00.29 | azeem | davidou: how does gnome-session fail? |
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| 14:00.41 | valdyn | nyk2005: you have a couple open ports, 993 is not among those |
| 14:00.48 | kimo | I have many files named like "index.html?M=A", how do I use find to delete them ??? find . -name "*\?*" | xargs rm DOES NOT work ! |
| 14:00.49 | davidou | azeem: does not fail, it hangs for ever |
| 14:00.50 | antgel | davidou: does networking work okay? do dns lookups resolve okay? |
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| 14:01.02 | bbrazil | kimo: -print0, -0 |
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| 14:01.08 | davidou | antgel, yes network ok and dns ok too |
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| 14:01.33 | azeem | davidou: do you have something like "127.0.0.1 localhost" in your /etc/hosts, that might help as well |
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| 14:02.01 | kimo | bbrazil, is this a find option |
| 14:02.28 | nyk2005 | valdyn: how can I stop iptables? |
| 14:02.36 | bbrazil | kimo: the first is |
| 14:02.45 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: define stop |
| 14:02.46 | davidou | azeem: 127.0.0.1 eagle localhost is in /etc/hosts, among other things |
| 14:02.53 | azeem | ok |
| 14:02.54 | Guilherme | nyk2005, killall iptables |
| 14:02.54 | valdyn | nyk2005: iptables --flush |
| 14:02.57 | Tenkawa | if you mean to flush all the rules thats easy |
| 14:02.58 | antgel | davidou: i would recommend that you don't use gnome. but a more relevant answer might be, try it under strace |
| 14:03.04 | valdyn | Guilherme: uh no |
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| 14:03.23 | nyk2005 | thanks |
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| 14:03.40 | Guilherme | wow |
| 14:03.42 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: to follow up on what valdyn said though remember once you do that everything is allow/allow |
| 14:03.59 | davidou | antgel: hum, kind of forced to use gnome, but i'll try strace |
| 14:04.04 | nyk2005 | Guilherme: strange: "iptables: no process killed" |
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| 14:04.20 | valdyn | nyk2005: because that isnt a process |
| 14:04.21 | Guilherme | nyk2005, sorry, its wrong |
| 14:04.23 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: Guilherme didnt knowq what he was talking about |
| 14:04.30 | Guilherme | i thougth it was squid |
| 14:04.30 | davidou | besides, it was working perfectly fine until udev upgraded to testing |
| 14:04.33 | Tenkawa | there is no :iptables: process |
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| 14:04.46 | nyk2005 | Tenkawa: yeah but dont have stuff stat need to be protected |
| 14:04.46 | Tenkawa | davidou: isnt udev inheritently evil anyway? |
| 14:04.53 | antgel | davidou: why are you forced? and why didn't you tell us that before |
| 14:04.55 | antgel | Tenkawa: no |
| 14:04.56 | azeem | Tenkawa: no |
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| 14:04.59 | Guilherme | nyk2005, iptables --flush |
| 14:05.02 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: ok... just making sure to let you know |
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| 14:05.05 | antgel | azeem: gmta |
| 14:05.10 | nyk2005 | Tenkawa: thx |
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| 14:05.22 | nyk2005 | I did the flush, but still can't connect |
| 14:05.30 | Tenkawa | hm.. udev and I have had our disagreements |
| 14:05.37 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: do you get conect refused? |
| 14:05.41 | nyk2005 | yes |
| 14:05.45 | Tenkawa | imap port right? |
| 14:05.54 | davidou | tenkawa: udev is inevitable, because gnome-volume-manager |
| 14:05.55 | valdyn | nyk2005: run on your server 'netstat -plunt | grep dovecot' |
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| 14:06.01 | Tenkawa | davidou: good ppint |
| 14:06.21 | CoNdA | The "dpkg-reconfigure xdm" soulution did not work. the login screen still does not start |
| 14:06.25 | nyk2005 | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:993 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 19841/dovecot |
| 14:06.25 | nyk2005 | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:143 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 19841/dovecot |
| 14:06.31 | Tenkawa | thats why |
| 14:06.35 | Tenkawa | its bound to localhost |
| 14:06.36 | Tenkawa | not eth0 |
| 14:06.37 | valdyn | nyk2005: jesus, dont paste here |
| 14:06.38 | davidou | antgel: developping applic that must run (integrate with) gnome |
| 14:06.42 | nyk2005 | sorry |
| 14:06.44 | valdyn | nyk2005: there's your error anyway |
| 14:06.59 | davidou | antgel: and must provide suport to end-users that are using gnome |
| 14:07.12 | Tenkawa | you got to get it off listening to 127.0.0.1 only |
| 14:07.14 | nyk2005 | but I have imap_listen = nyk.ch:143 in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
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| 14:07.26 | valdyn | nyk2005: now that is a stupid line |
| 14:07.30 | valdyn | nyk2005: comment it out |
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| 14:07.34 | nyk2005 | as well as imaps_listen = nyk.ch:993 |
| 14:07.35 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: yep |
| 14:07.38 | antgel | davidou: downgrade udev. check the bts |
| 14:07.39 | goron | Can Debian read UFS2? |
| 14:07.43 | nyk2005 | ok |
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| 14:08.05 | CoNdA | My problem persists. The login handler does not start after boot. The default-display-manager is set, but still nothing happends. What gives? |
| 14:08.13 | nyk2005 | cool, now it works! |
| 14:08.13 | selfcontr0l | if i make an xterm as (user) and load say 'nautilus' it opens like it should, but if i su to root and do the same thing, it gives me XLib: cannot open display |
| 14:08.17 | Tenkawa | nyk2005: :) |
| 14:08.17 | nyk2005 | from telnet |
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| 14:08.26 | beardy | goron: The question should be if linux can. |
| 14:08.38 | Tenkawa | selfcontr0l: yeah because xhost control is preventing root from running anything on thatr display |
| 14:08.49 | nyk2005 | cool, thanks, I got that listen line from a howto.. :) |
| 14:08.50 | snail | I'm a little confused by all the apache packages. if I want apache 2 with ssl, which is the key package I need? |
| 14:08.56 | Tenkawa | selfcontr0l: rather anything besides the user that started the session |
| 14:09.06 | antgel | CoNdA: do you just get dumped at a text login prompt? |
| 14:09.14 | bizkit | selfcontr0l: as the user for which it works.. cp ~/.Xauthority ~root |
| 14:09.15 | CoNdA | antgel, yes. |
| 14:09.17 | dav1 | thanks guys, i kept doing what you said till it worked |
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| 14:09.35 | Tenkawa | bizkit: but is there really any reson to arbitraily grant root thaty access? |
| 14:09.36 | antgel | CoNdA: if you login and startx, does x load up? |
| 14:09.47 | nyk2005 | cool, thanks a lot to everyone helping me! even IMAPS works! |
| 14:09.49 | Tenkawa | er reason |
| 14:09.51 | xnet | can someone explain to me how to use apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:09.57 | CoNdA | forgot screen, oh well.. brb ill check |
| 14:10.13 | bizkit | no, you could also do an ssh -X root@localhost (enable X11Forwarding in the sshd_config) |
| 14:10.14 | valdyn | xnet: what in its manpage is unclear? |
| 14:10.23 | nyk2005 | I thought that I tried this already, because it was commented out in the beginning, but then maybe something else was wrong... :) |
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| 14:11.08 | valdyn | selfcontr0l: dont use 'su' for this, use 'sux' or 'sudo' |
| 14:11.08 | xnet | i guess i might just be miss interpreting what it does. can i upgrade a packet with it? |
| 14:11.12 | valdyn | !sux |
| 14:11.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 14:11.17 | CoNdA_ | antgel, I get that no X processes are running and fatal error "reset by peer" or something. |
| 14:11.17 | ViViD | how do i apt-get install a .deb file that ive downloaded? |
| 14:11.25 | selfcontr0l | bizkit: do i have to do that for every program i want to run? it worked on my previous install before i f'd it up |
| 14:11.39 | CoNdA_ | ViviD "dpkg -i "package.deb" |
| 14:11.47 | antgel | ViViD: you read the manual. /msg dpkg reference |
| 14:11.57 | valdyn | selfcontr0l: see what dpkg said |
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| 14:12.13 | antgel | CoNdA_: that's very specific. did x ever work on this box? |
| 14:12.14 | nyk2005 | Related question: I don't need to set "Use secure authentication" in thunderbird, when I already use SSL? |
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| 14:12.28 | valdyn | nyk2005: right |
| 14:12.28 | selfcontr0l | valdyn: ah.... |
| 14:12.30 | antgel | nyk2005: it's a different thing |
| 14:12.33 | nyk2005 | If yes, what's it for? |
| 14:12.38 | CoNdA_ | antgel, yeah last boot. I did not configure anything related to that since last time. |
| 14:12.40 | nyk2005 | cool |
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| 14:13.00 | antgel | CoNdA_: what release are you running? when did you last upgrade? |
| 14:13.04 | valdyn | nyk2005: secure authenticatio would encrypt the authentication process, but that isnt needed when already _everything_ is encrypted |
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| 14:13.33 | CoNdA_ | antel, I upgraded for 3 days ago. But I have booted many times since then. I suddenly stopped working this evening. |
| 14:13.41 | CoNdA_ | *it |
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| 14:14.20 | bizkit | selfcontr0l: there are many options you can use, as the others wrote above. if you're the only user on your host, you can just copy your .Xauthority to roots homedir and root has access to your xsession. however, the better choice would be sux or ssh -X root@localhost, or ssh -X anyotheruser@localhost to forward the x11 connection. then you'll be able to run X apps as this user, and they will run in your xsession.. |
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| 14:14.25 | CoNdA_ | antel, it is Debian testing, with KDE 3.4.2 |
| 14:14.38 | antgel | CoNdA_: is that the kde version *in* testing? |
| 14:14.48 | Guilherme | should I upgrade my debian do unstable ? |
| 14:14.53 | antgel | !info etch kdelibs |
| 14:14.56 | Guilherme | s/do/to |
| 14:15.01 | antgel | !iyhtays Guilherme |
| 14:15.02 | valdyn | Guilherme: no |
| 14:15.02 | dpkg | Guilherme: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 14:15.05 | CoNdA_ | antgel, I believe it is considered stable. But from Debian's pow it is testing. |
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| 14:15.08 | selfcontr0l | bizkit: ok i installed sux and ran it from the user acct and now it works :) |
| 14:15.13 | selfcontr0l | thx a bunch |
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| 14:15.25 | nyk2005 | valdyn: thanks for explaining! but so it's quite obsolete...? |
| 14:16.01 | nyk2005 | expect if you want to save CPU on excrypting mail, but only encrypt login... for slow pcs.. :) |
| 14:16.02 | valdyn | nyk2005: as long as you dont use plain imap |
| 14:16.12 | nyk2005 | nonono |
| 14:16.15 | xnet | to get a new version of a packet i just "apt-get install" it again? |
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| 14:16.34 | bizkit | xnet: after an apt-get update |
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| 14:16.48 | antgel | CoNdA_: you need to tell us exactly what the errors are. what video driver are you using? |
| 14:16.56 | antgel | xnet: it's package, not packet |
| 14:17.03 | xnet | dig it. |
| 14:17.13 | jsz | I just plugged in my usb lexmark x75 scanner/printer, now how do I set it up? |
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| 14:17.16 | valdyn | nyk2005: you just might want to disable imap in your dovecot ) |
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| 14:17.29 | antgel | jsz: you read the documentation |
| 14:17.39 | antgel | !tell jsz about printing |
| 14:17.51 | CoNdA_ | antgel, I have edited the xorg.conf, the mouse-config in the file. Can that have anything to do with it. |
| 14:18.16 | antgel | CoNdA_: why didn't you say that before? and of course it can |
| 14:18.47 | CoNdA_ | antgel, sorry.. it is just that I restarted with the new setting and it worked, though I did never boot with it.. |
| 14:19.14 | CoNdA_ | It occoured to me just now, sorry |
| 14:19.29 | stew | CoNdA_: modprobe mousedev ; modprobe psmouse |
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| 14:19.48 | antgel | CoNdA_: please paste the errors from your X log somewhere. otherwise i can't help |
| 14:19.56 | nixie | anyone running splashutils+fbsplash (not bootsplash) on sarge? |
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| 14:20.05 | jsz | thats not much help |
| 14:20.06 | antgel | !tell nixie about anyone |
| 14:20.09 | nixie | splashutils does not seem to compile. |
| 14:20.28 | antgel | jsz: you didn't do much to help yourself |
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| 14:22.17 | bizkit | jsz: do you buy yourself a new car and ask someone else to drive it? first google for yourself, try to get it working and come back if you have problems |
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| 14:22.46 | nyk2005 | valdyn: ok.. but... why? :) |
| 14:22.56 | lestest | jm_: so in which package do I find the debconf-get-selections? |
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| 14:23.33 | antgel | !tell lestest about apt-file |
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| 14:23.43 | jm_ | lestest: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:23.46 | bizkit | lestest: dpkg -S debconf-get-selections |
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| 14:24.09 | beefcake | heya how would i search through a bunch of files and only output files with 2 specific keywords in it? |
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| 14:24.20 | antgel | !tell beefcake about find |
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| 14:24.24 | antgel | !tell beefcake about grep |
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| 14:24.37 | nyk2005 | horde is not in an apt-get repo? I get confisuing output... |
| 14:25.00 | zork7_ | beefcake : man grep |
| 14:25.07 | lestest | bizkit: already done it |
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| 14:25.29 | stew | beefcake: grep -c oneword listoffiles | xargs grep -c otherword |
| 14:25.30 | bizkit | lestest: its in debconf-utils.. |
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| 14:25.44 | InKubus | i had a problem on my old box where all my ram was in use |
| 14:25.50 | stew | beefcake: err make those grep -l |
| 14:25.52 | lestest | bizkit: thankz |
| 14:25.53 | InKubus | just set up debian on another box and the memory is at full usage again |
| 14:25.57 | InKubus | barely anything running on it |
| 14:25.58 | InKubus | http://62.105.76.79/phpsysinfo/ |
| 14:25.59 | InKubus | any ideas? |
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| 14:26.34 | antgel | beefcake: the find factoid was not what i was after. man find. look at -exec |
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| 14:26.40 | SimonRaven | InKubus: it's supposed to be at full use. this isn't windows |
| 14:26.44 | SimonRaven | !free ram |
| 14:26.44 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 14:26.52 | InKubus | wonderful |
| 14:26.55 | nyk2005 | anyone know how to turn on PHP (for phpsysinfo) on a default debian apache2? |
| 14:26.58 | SimonRaven | !free memory |
| 14:26.59 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 14:27.02 | InKubus | so on every debian box the memory will always be close to 100% |
| 14:27.07 | bizkit | InKubus: read about memory management in linux |
| 14:27.09 | InKubus | cause it uses swap |
| 14:27.12 | lestest | jm_: thankz apt-file rocks |
| 14:27.13 | InKubus | ? |
| 14:27.16 | SimonRaven | ^^^ read |
| 14:27.26 | jm_ | lestest: it's pretty handy, it can also list contents of packages |
| 14:27.29 | SimonRaven | this isn't windows anymore, toto |
| 14:27.40 | InKubus | :P |
| 14:27.49 | InKubus | i just want an answer |
| 14:27.51 | InKubus | i'm not saying it's windows |
| 14:27.55 | InKubus | thanks for the info |
| 14:27.58 | SimonRaven | you got one |
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| 14:28.20 | xam | InKubus: well, according to your website swap is not really being used on your system ... |
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| 14:29.14 | InKubus | great, so i don't need to worry cause the cached programs will happily be released by debian when anything needs it |
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| 14:29.41 | xam | InKubus: yes ;) |
| 14:29.54 | Tenkawa | you may even see swap used at times |
| 14:30.07 | Tenkawa | when all its doing is writing inactive pages to disk |
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| 14:30.19 | InKubus | when all the memory is being used on none cached programs? |
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| 14:30.22 | SimonRaven | s/debian/kernel/ |
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| 14:30.28 | InKubus | ah ok |
| 14:30.51 | xam | InKubus: but 256MB is rather a small amount of ram these days (for a desktop system) |
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| 14:31.09 | Tenkawa | my smallest system has 1 gig |
| 14:31.12 | antgel | xam: eh? that's a big statement |
| 14:31.17 | InKubus | i'm just using it for apache and mysql atm with a very small mediawiki site |
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| 14:31.55 | Tenkawa | granted it is a embedded wrap board |
| 14:31.57 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 14:32.05 | xam | antgel: for a P4 2.8GHz I'd say he should have at least 512MB. |
| 14:32.11 | InKubus | there's 1gb in it |
| 14:32.13 | InKubus | but it's a vmware box |
| 14:32.15 | antgel | Tenkawa: are you a hardware junkie? |
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| 14:32.23 | InKubus | so only allocated the max i thought i'd need |
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| 14:32.28 | InKubus | which is why i'm here :) |
| 14:32.30 | Tenkawa | antgel: um.. no... not at all... never. why would you say a thing like that |
| 14:32.32 | antgel | xam: hey, perhaps the processor is way overspecced as well :) |
| 14:32.48 | Tenkawa | antgel: yes I a, |
| 14:32.49 | Tenkawa | m |
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| 14:33.10 | antgel | Tenkawa: that box must run vim real quick :) |
| 14:33.15 | InKubus | i used to have a lovely compaq deskpro 4000n that happily ran debian very well with 64mb of ram :) |
| 14:33.16 | xam | InKubus: ah, thought so, after seeing now the 'vmware' descriptions all over the place |
| 14:33.28 | InKubus | hehe yeah the devices |
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| 14:34.02 | Tenkawa | antgel: heh you should seemy mini-itx... that machine had a gig of memory on it |
| 14:34.14 | Tenkawa | One ofmy boxes has 6 gig on it |
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| 14:34.23 | InKubus | jebus :) |
| 14:34.24 | Tenkawa | itsa quad cpu hp-risc though |
| 14:34.33 | xam | antgel: hehe. But never mind, that's just me, sitting in front of a PC with 6GB of ram ... |
| 14:34.37 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:34.37 | dpkg | [qotd71] <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
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| 14:34.47 | Tenkawa | my main linux server is a dual 2.6 gig amd with a gig of memory |
| 14:34.49 | InKubus | ok guys i'm gonna go for lunch thanks for all your help |
| 14:34.51 | antgel | abrotman: thanks for the quote |
| 14:34.56 | linux_manju | Tenkawa 6 gig and quad.. dman.. would luv to steal it ;p |
| 14:34.59 | SimonRaven | seriously.... |
| 14:35.00 | abrotman | antgel: thanks for reading! |
| 14:35.05 | Tenkawa | linux_manju: it flies |
| 14:35.29 | Tenkawa | abrotman: oh man I almost fell out of my chair reading that |
| 14:35.38 | xam | Tenkawa: what kind of PA-RISC machine do you have (model)? |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | let's do another! |
| 14:35.42 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:35.42 | dpkg | well, qotd122 is <nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
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| 14:35.53 | Tenkawa | xam: few different ones I use. I mostly use L class boxes though |
| 14:35.59 | thingfish | hehe that's a good one. |
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| 14:36.08 | antgel | !afo |
| 14:36.08 | dpkg | anyone for ops! |
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| 14:36.25 | Tenkawa | some N's a lot of G's, K's H's I's and J's in my past |
| 14:36.32 | xam | Tenkawa: C3000 and C3700 here (also a 730 in storage) |
| 14:36.33 | sciboy | Is there a way to get apt to pretend a file is not installed and just download it? |
| 14:36.49 | Tenkawa | xam: heheh.. never liked the C's, B's, R's or D's |
| 14:36.52 | valdyn | sciboy: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 14:36.57 | antgel | sciboy: please don't hose your box. /msg dpkg equivs |
| 14:37.17 | azeem | "is not installed" |
| 14:37.17 | sciboy | antgel: Huh? I'm doing this to get packages for an offline machine. |
| 14:37.19 | Tenkawa | Messed with a T500 once |
| 14:37.19 | nyk2005 | anyone know how to turn on PHP (for phpsysinfo) on a default debian apache2? something "-D PHP4", but don't find the option name.... |
| 14:37.23 | Tenkawa | that was a wicked bnox |
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| 14:37.28 | antgel | sciboy: ah. man apt-get |
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| 14:37.42 | azeem | sciboy: apt-get install --reinstall -d |
| 14:37.43 | Tenkawa | wouldve loved todo some testing on a V when those were still around |
| 14:37.48 | azeem | I guess |
| 14:37.48 | valdyn | sciboy: you may want to use apt-zip though |
| 14:37.50 | xam | Tenkawa: at least they are not so mind-blowing loud as the A-, N- and L-Class |
| 14:37.57 | antgel | can we stop discussing hardwarzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 14:37.57 | sciboy | valdyn: Couldn't figure it out. =| |
| 14:37.59 | Tenkawa | HAAAYHHAA |
| 14:38.11 | Tenkawa | yeah the A's and L's especially sound like jet engines |
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| 14:38.31 | chealer | nyk2005, is libapache2-mod-php4 installed? |
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| 14:38.48 | antgel | if there's a more boring computing topic than hardwazzzzzzzz, i have yet to see it |
| 14:38.55 | sciboy | valdyn, azeem: Anything i can add to make it --reinstall -d recursively? =) |
| 14:38.56 | valdyn | sciboy: http://packages.debian.org/ should be easier than using apt-get for what it isnt meant to do |
| 14:38.58 | xam | Tenkawa: or go for a V-Class |
| 14:38.58 | sifi | how in hell do i kill amsn? |
| 14:38.58 | Tenkawa | antgel: awwww |
| 14:39.00 | nyk2005 | chealer: ah it was APACHE2_OPTS="-D PHP4", but didnt work |
| 14:39.12 | azeem | sciboy: hrm, dunno |
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| 14:39.33 | azeem | sciboy: not without some grep-dctrl/grep/sed/awk hacking I guess |
| 14:39.38 | sciboy | valdyn: That leaves alot of dependencies for me to deal with. =/ |
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| 14:39.52 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: installed it now |
| 14:39.55 | antgel | valdyn: it is meant to. --download-only |
| 14:39.58 | valdyn | sciboy: as would using apt-get |
| 14:40.03 | xam | antgel: what is wrong with discussing hardware? |
| 14:40.06 | Tenkawa | holy **** a power supply alone for a superdome is going almost for 1500 on ebay |
| 14:40.13 | valdyn | antgel: it doesnt download deps that way |
| 14:40.15 | antgel | xam: it bores me |
| 14:40.28 | valdyn | antgel: ( if he has them installed on that box ) |
| 14:40.28 | ViViD | how do i disable arts and esd? |
| 14:40.29 | xam | antgel: just /ignore us then ;) |
| 14:40.30 | antgel | valdyn: fair enough. bug or feature? |
| 14:40.43 | antgel | xam: but you might say something good soon :) |
| 14:40.54 | azeem | valdyn: adding --reinstall might, though, dunno |
| 14:40.55 | valdyn | antgel: sure not a bug, there's special tools for what he wants, but he's probably lazy to read the docs |
| 14:40.59 | sifi | ViViD, remove them from /usr/bin |
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| 14:41.17 | sciboy | azeem: --reinstall -d works for the mentioned package only, not its dependencies. |
| 14:41.18 | nyk2005 | chealer: installed it and it works, thanks! |
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| 14:41.28 | azeem | sciboy: yeah, we settled that |
| 14:41.42 | sifi | anyone who know how to kill amsn? I really need it |
| 14:41.44 | Tenkawa | xam: you ever mess with the J series? |
| 14:41.48 | Tenkawa | J5000's were awesome |
| 14:41.51 | row | how can I make module-assistant use the currently installed source and not unpack a fresh one from .deb? |
| 14:42.04 | sciboy | azeem: apt-rdepends - Recursively lists package dependencies |
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| 14:42.26 | azeem | sciboy: but that's not what you want, no? |
| 14:42.29 | valdyn | sciboy: if you didnt run apt-get clean yet then all those packages already might be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:42.42 | Tenkawa | oh wow.. J5000's are cheap on ebay now |
| 14:42.43 | xam | Tenkawa: J6k only, at university |
| 14:42.46 | chealer | row, when doing what? the source for what? |
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| 14:43.01 | sciboy | azeem: Coupled together with --reinstall -d would result in getting the package and all its dependencies. |
| 14:43.06 | azeem | sciboy: no |
| 14:43.07 | row | chealer: I have removed usb stuff from unicorn-source, as its not compiling. |
| 14:43.11 | cuenco | doeas anybody knows how to configure apt to prevent a package from being upgraded when using apt-get uprade? |
| 14:43.17 | azeem | sciboy: rdepends are the packages which depend *upon* that pacakge |
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| 14:43.23 | azeem | not that package's dependencies |
| 14:43.31 | nyk2005 | what's the best webmail that's in the default apt-get repo? squirrelmail? |
| 14:43.34 | antgel | sciboy: does the box have a dvd-rom? could burn the dvds |
| 14:43.35 | row | cuenco: put the pkg on hold. |
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| 14:43.58 | cuenco | row, how can I do it? |
| 14:44.00 | sciboy | antgel: I don't have a DVD burner, nor the bandwidth to grab the entire set. |
| 14:44.16 | Tenkawa | heh can get a dual j6000 for 400$ |
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| 14:44.29 | row | cuenco:http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
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| 14:44.46 | row | cuenco: 6.12 How do I put a package on hold? |
| 14:44.48 | azeem | sciboy: ok |
| 14:44.49 | row | :) |
| 14:44.52 | chealer | row, and what is fetching the module source? |
| 14:45.12 | antgel | cuenco: what dow didn't say is rtffaq! |
| 14:45.14 | azeem | sciboy: excercise 1: Try to get a list of all the depends and their depends via grep-dctrl |
| 14:45.23 | azeem | dunno if that is possible, but I assume so |
| 14:45.30 | row | chealer: its in apt cache, when i run module-assistant build unicorn-source, it fails and when I look the source has been replaced with the orig debian source. |
| 14:45.43 | azeem | sciboy: then, munge that list to a flat line, and feed it to apt-get install --reinstall -d |
| 14:46.03 | xam | Tengkawa: yes, they're getting cheap at linux runs on it (I'm involved with the parisc-linux project). Unfortunately no accellerated gfx support and no 128bit fp support (yet) |
| 14:46.05 | Tenkawa | btw unrelated question for you all.. is tan Athlon X2 worth the cost or would a Athlon 64 3200 be sufficient for a good linux/winxp box? |
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| 14:46.19 | Tenkawa | AllI've kept up with alately is ppc chips |
| 14:46.19 | xam | s/at linux/and linux/ |
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| 14:46.32 | azeem | Tenkawa: it's GNU/Linux, not linux |
| 14:46.35 | cuenco | ok |
| 14:46.43 | row | chealer: -o :) |
| 14:46.49 | antgel | Tenkawa: if you're not playing games or running bloatware, get the cheapest processor you can |
| 14:46.52 | chealer | Tenkawa, it's not like anyone but you could answer that question |
| 14:46.53 | row | chealer: -o, --unpack-once Unpack the source only once after source upgrade or clean |
| 14:47.11 | sciboy | azeem: How would i do that with grep-dctrl? |
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| 14:47.13 | chealer | row, ah, cool |
| 14:47.16 | sciboy | azeem: This tool is new to me... |
| 14:47.17 | Tenkawa | azeem: I advise you not to get me started on my wprding |
| 14:47.23 | Tenkawa | er wording |
| 14:47.29 | azeem | sciboy: I don't know either, you will have to research it |
| 14:47.29 | antgel | o_O |
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| 14:47.46 | chealer | row, you run etch? |
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| 14:48.05 | Tenkawa | chealer: well the real question boils down to is the Dual core A64's worth the money yet |
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| 14:48.29 | chealer | Tenkawa, ask your budget |
| 14:48.30 | xam | Tenkawa: last week there was a big test of all AMD and Intel x86 CPUs at Tom's hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/index.html |
| 14:48.32 | Tenkawa | my 2600 seems ok but theshuttle its in is getting very old |
| 14:48.41 | Tenkawa | xam: oh.. sweet |
| 14:49.03 | xam | Tenkawa: look at the benchmark page ;) |
| 14:49.09 | Tenkawa | chealer: budget not too much of a concern as is buying something once and not doing it all over again in 6 months |
| 14:49.13 | sciboy | azeem: Oh, and i want to say that apt-rdepends does not stand for reverse dependencies, it stands for recursive in this case. |
| 14:49.23 | tarzeau | where is the palette for indexed color mode in gimp hidden again? |
| 14:49.28 | azeem | sciboy: how annoying |
| 14:49.34 | Tenkawa | xam: thanks :) |
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| 14:50.05 | azeem | sciboy: cool, I hadn't even heard about apt-rdepends and read that as "apt-cache rdepends" |
| 14:50.09 | Tenkawa | oooh nice chart |
| 14:50.11 | chealer | Tenkawa, you'll still be the only one to decide whether you buy again in 6 months |
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| 14:50.22 | azeem | sciboy: then your work is easier, of course :) |
| 14:50.31 | Tenkawa | chealer: heh considering I've bought 3 compyuters this year yeah.. I'm probably worrying too much |
| 14:50.42 | Tenkawa | because I'll buy a new one again before I should anyway |
| 14:50.54 | sciboy | azeem: Not when apt-rdepends has broken dependencies. |
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| 14:51.01 | sciboy | missing* |
| 14:51.09 | Tenkawa | man race season needs to start so I can stop buyiong computer stuff |
| 14:51.09 | azeem | sciboy: apt-rdepends itself? |
| 14:51.11 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 14:51.14 | antgel | Tenkawa: unfortunately the time you waste agonising over hardware is more than the time that your new whizzbang hardware saves you |
| 14:51.15 | Shadowcat | hmm how do you get into the gui installer on the etch beta 1 image? |
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| 14:51.43 | Tenkawa | antgel: indeed |
| 14:52.12 | Tenkawa | I refuse to buy a 64 FX though |
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| 14:52.22 | cuenco | row, I put the package maildrop on hold with 'aptitude hold maildrop', but when I run 'apt-get upgrade' it insists to upgrade maildrop package |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i don't think it's on the beta .. |
| 14:52.26 | sciboy | azeem: How do i force apt to install something dispite missing dependencies? |
| 14:52.31 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i think it's a sperarate iso |
| 14:52.34 | Shadowcat | abrotman: according to the docs it is |
| 14:52.36 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 14:52.41 | Shadowcat | now ya tell me |
| 14:52.48 | azeem | sciboy: don't know off the top of my hands, see whether there is an option in the manual |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | Shadowcat: ask #debian-boot |
| 14:52.57 | antgel | cuenco: aptitude != apt-get |
| 14:53.05 | cuenco | yeah I know |
| 14:53.08 | abrotman | Shadowcat: and you're right .. the Rel Notes say it's there |
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| 14:53.26 | cuenco | only thing I want is prevent apt-get upgrade from upgrading the maildrop package |
| 14:53.27 | Tenkawa | hmm. athlon 64 4000.. that looks promising |
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| 14:53.42 | stew | cuenco: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:53.51 | antgel | Tenkawa: is there anything i can do to make you ignore hardware marketing hype? |
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| 14:53.56 | azeem | Shadowcat: I thought it was provided on a seperate ISO, but dunno |
| 14:54.18 | sciboy | azeem: --ignore-missing |
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| 14:54.48 | Tenkawa | antgel: give ne tph numbers versus a athlon xp 2600 |
| 14:54.55 | Tenkawa | that would convince me |
| 14:54.56 | Tenkawa | :)( |
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| 14:55.20 | Tenkawa | I could upgrade to a xp 3200 but its more expensibe than the a64 4000 |
| 14:55.28 | Tenkawa | mind you i wouldnt need to buy a new mb |
| 14:55.38 | Tenkawa | but this nforce2 is kind of old |
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| 14:56.49 | Bob332 | anyone know of a IE History viewer for debian linux? |
| 14:56.52 | xam | Tenkawa: do you need so much processor speed? Do you play games a lot or what? |
| 14:57.06 | azeem | maybe he runs quantum chemistry calculations |
| 14:57.22 | Tenkawa | xam: yep |
| 14:57.34 | Tenkawa | games, heavy number crunching , and music encoding |
| 14:57.52 | cuenco | thanks everybody |
| 14:57.54 | cuenco | cya |
| 14:58.10 | xam | azeem: most of my stuff I do at university need RAM much more that GHz |
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| 14:58.48 | Tenkawa | the a64 4000 from that benchmark article seems to have the best value per dollar |
| 14:58.51 | peppet | Bob332, install firefox on windows, import history from ie, move firefox home files to linux |
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| 14:59.14 | Tenkawa | even out performs the X2's in some tests |
| 14:59.24 | azeem | xam: but if you have a big CPU, you might be able to calculate things on-the-fly, and do not need to store things, reducing RAM/scratch usage |
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| 15:00.10 | antgel | does anybody here actually know about x86 internals or are we just all speculating based on marketing hype and perception? |
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| 15:00.34 | Bob332 | peppet, i have firefox, how do import |
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| 15:00.53 | Tenkawa | antgel: I know quite a bit of cpu internals but that knowledge is only as good as how the mb/io/os implements it |
| 15:01.06 | Tenkawa | so one pu may be great in Linux and horrid in XP and vice versa |
| 15:01.10 | sciboy | azeem: Damn, can't fix the dependency. =/ |
| 15:01.22 | antgel | Tenkawa: i'm not convinced |
| 15:01.24 | Tenkawa | my G4's and G5's are easy |
| 15:01.37 | Tenkawa | not convinced of? |
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| 15:02.16 | Tenkawa | of course this all depends on me giving my G5 to my girlfriend |
| 15:02.21 | xam | azeem: errm, no. First of all this cannot be done in every situaton, and secondly on-the-fly is almost always slower than using cached results. Lsat but not least, RAM is cheaper than GHz |
| 15:02.23 | sciboy | azeem: That's it, i'm going to try something funky to get that list i need. |
| 15:02.47 | peppet | Bob332, when you _install_ firefox on _windows_ it asks if you want to import ie history |
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| 15:02.56 | sciboy | azeem: Where does apt store the packages lists from when i type apt-get update? |
| 15:03.16 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.39 | sciboy | Thanks, going to copy that to the computer that needs the files, try and get it to print the list of files it needs. |
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| 15:03.52 | Tenkawa | then the next challenge is which shuttle model to get' |
| 15:03.56 | JmGV | havent i have kdevelop3 in testing? |
| 15:04.09 | JmGV | oKtosiTe_:/home/jgomez# apt-cache search kdevelop |
| 15:04.11 | JmGV | c-cpp-reference - C and C++ programming reference |
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| 15:04.52 | antgel | JmGV: apparently not |
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| 15:04.52 | antgel | JmGV: you don't need to be root for apt-cache |
| 15:04.52 | xam | brb |
| 15:04.54 | JmGV | okey thanks |
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| 15:05.01 | Eulex | !why is kdevelop3 not in testing |
| 15:05.02 | dpkg | kdevelop3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop3 |
| 15:05.04 | valdyn | JmGV: things written in c++ are in a mess atm |
| 15:05.31 | antgel | !tell JmGV about unix lessons |
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| 15:06.44 | mestratusbn | Hey, kann ihr mir nen gutes Programm zum brennen von Cds empfelen? |
| 15:06.54 | valdyn | !de |
| 15:06.54 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:06.58 | valdyn | mestratusbn: or ask in english |
| 15:07.03 | mestratusbn | Hey, könnt ihr mir nen gutes Programm zum brennen von Cds empfelen? |
| 15:07.12 | JmGV | antgel i am root when i am sure i a m not to break anything ;) |
| 15:07.19 | Eulex | !de |
| 15:07.19 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:07.21 | JmGV | i am an expert ;-) |
| 15:07.27 | mestratusbn | oh sorry |
| 15:07.42 | Eulex | mestratusbn, apart from that, try k3b |
| 15:07.44 | mestratusbn | i thoght i am already in debian.de |
| 15:07.48 | JmGV | ViViD are you there? |
| 15:07.55 | antgel | JmGV: if you are root when you don't need to be, you're not such an expert as you think :) |
| 15:07.59 | Ronin | nope mestratusbn just #debian |
| 15:08.27 | misieq | if i install x.org as dpkg said, will it become my default x server? |
| 15:08.30 | mestratusbn | have a nice day |
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| 15:08.42 | valdyn | misieq: what did dpkg say? |
| 15:08.52 | stew | mestratusbn: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:08.57 | stew | er |
| 15:09.03 | stew | misieq: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:09.15 | misieq | valdyn, to install it from .deb and gave me some lines for sources.list |
| 15:09.20 | misieq | stew, sarge |
| 15:09.28 | valdyn | !xorg |
| 15:09.28 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 15:09.33 | mestratusbn | the latest |
| 15:09.40 | misieq | i asked dpkg about 'xorg sarge' |
| 15:09.46 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 15:09.46 | dpkg | xorg sarge is probably [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 15:09.49 | stew | misieq: when you install xorg it should give you the choice of which xserver to use |
| 15:09.52 | Ronin | mestratusbn: latest doesnt tell us which you are running |
| 15:10.05 | misieq | stew, during configuration? |
| 15:10.06 | valdyn | misieq: it will be the default and one and only xserver on your system |
| 15:10.33 | stew | valdyn: doesn't debconf give you a choice? i thought i had remembered seeing one |
| 15:10.34 | misieq | valdyn, 'one and only'? what about my current xfree86? |
| 15:10.40 | misieq | brb |
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| 15:11.16 | valdyn | stew: i dont remember that, i just remember one package ( probably kde - related ) askng, which one you were using |
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| 15:12.18 | valdyn | misieq: its replaced by xorg |
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| 15:12.38 | stew | misieq: seems like we're not sure. if it wants to remove xserver-xfree86 when installing xorg, you have your answer. in that case you could always easily switch back with "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" |
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| 15:12.49 | Gostoso | petrolina |
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| 15:13.14 | Gostoso | e ai galeras |
| 15:13.16 | Eulex | !br |
| 15:13.17 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:14.56 | valdyn | stew: cant switch back like that, i just looked |
| 15:14.58 | misieq | how long ago was previous debian stable released? |
| 15:15.07 | antgel | !tell misieq about releases |
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| 15:15.21 | antgel | ime xorg replaces xfree86 |
| 15:15.22 | jamesm | Anyone using the ATI fglrx-driver (8.19.10-1) from unstable with any success? |
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| 15:15.32 | antgel | !tell jamesm about anyone |
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| 15:15.48 | sciboy | Oh my god! |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | antgel: WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR CAPS LOCK ? |
| 15:15.50 | sciboy | IT WORKED! |
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| 15:16.04 | valdyn | misieq: if you wanted to switch back you'd have to remove the sources line, purge x11-common and install x-window-system-core |
| 15:16.14 | antgel | abrotman: CAPHUSO TOLD ME TO STOP. AND SCIBOY TOOK IT! |
| 15:16.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 15:16.42 | nvz | shit... |
| 15:16.48 | sciboy | I copied the apt lists and sources.list over to the other computer, apt-get install the packages i wanted, and typed out the list into apt-get --reinstall -d install |
| 15:17.05 | sciboy | After its finished downloading, i copy it across, dpkg -i * and DONE! |
| 15:17.09 | misieq | valdyn, thanks |
| 15:17.28 | misieq | so it takes about 2-3 years for new release to become stable? |
| 15:17.39 | antgel | !treat sciboy |
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| 15:17.46 | abrotman | misieq: it depends .. there's no way to tell for sure |
| 15:17.49 | antgel | tsk |
| 15:17.52 | valdyn | misieq: it took 2-3 years for new releases to become stable in the past |
| 15:17.54 | chealer | misieq, the last 2 releases were in that range |
| 15:18.06 | valdyn | misieq: conclude from that what you want.. |
| 15:18.11 | chealer | misieq, it's hoped that the next release takes somewhat less |
| 15:18.18 | sciboy | This could be useful as a script. |
| 15:18.37 | chealer | misieq, sarge has been particularly problematic to release |
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| 15:19.00 | misieq | chealer, i heard there were problems with debian-installer? |
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| 15:19.21 | chealer | misieq, hum, possibly, but there were other problems too |
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| 15:20.49 | pjota | hi all |
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| 15:21.03 | nvz | pjota: not yet, but I am working on it |
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| 15:22.10 | loopdee | is there a way to get the mutlimedia keys working on a keyboard? |
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| 15:23.11 | valdyn | loopdee: apt-cache search multimedia key |
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| 15:23.21 | sciboy | Copying files.... Lets see how this works out. =) |
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| 15:23.29 | Eulex | loopdee, klineakd or xbindkeys |
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| 15:23.31 | MasterPUA | hiya |
| 15:23.33 | loopdee | valdyn: thanks |
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| 15:24.03 | loopdee | hotkeys |
| 15:24.17 | pjota | anyone knows how to remove all mta services in sarge? |
| 15:24.30 | nvz | pjota: you dont |
| 15:24.38 | valdyn | pjota: do you understand what you are doing with that? |
| 15:24.42 | Eulex | !why mta |
| 15:24.46 | Eulex | hmm |
| 15:24.52 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 15:24.54 | dpkg | you need an mta because you are too clueless to understand the subtle building blocks of a multi-tasking/multi-user operating system that unlike microsoft does not need a reboot every x minutes because it has mechanisms with which to control system communications. An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 15:25.00 | Shadowcat | damn |
| 15:25.05 | Shadowcat | the stock etch kernel is slow |
| 15:25.06 | loopdee | Eluex: thank you too |
| 15:25.13 | dushtabuddhi | pjota maybe you want to install esmtp |
| 15:25.14 | sciboy | IT WORKED! =D |
| 15:25.19 | pjota | no, it could be cool if anyone explains me |
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| 15:25.44 | valdyn | pjota: cron daemon sends error messages via mail, which it needs an mta for. |
| 15:26.04 | pjota | i don't want to wait a minute everytime i turn on the system with a "MTA:" in prompt |
| 15:26.04 | Ronin | oh ya im loving this nocaps script |
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| 15:26.24 | dushtabuddhi | pjota you need update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
| 15:26.32 | valdyn | pjota: maybe you should have limited name lookups when configuring exim |
| 15:26.35 | nvz | I am breaking up cron right now, and I never got an error message in the mail ;) |
| 15:26.40 | valdyn | dushtabuddhi: no he doesnt |
| 15:26.46 | dushtabuddhi | valdyn why not ? |
| 15:26.51 | pjota | i don't configured exim |
| 15:26.53 | dushtabuddhi | valdyn if it's a desktop system |
| 15:27.04 | dushtabuddhi | pjota even otherwise! |
| 15:27.12 | stew | !why an mta =~ s/you need an mta because you are too clueless to understand the subtle building blocks of a multi-tasking/multi-user operating system that unlike microsoft does not need a reboot every x minutes because it has mechanisms with which to control system communications.// |
| 15:27.14 | pjota | i don''t know what it is. |
| 15:27.26 | valdyn | pjota: apt-get install esmtp |
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| 15:27.58 | nvz | stew: wtf were you _trying_ to do there? |
| 15:28.13 | stew | nvz: get rid of the not relavant and inflamitory comments at the beginning |
| 15:28.23 | pjota | why can i need esmtp if I (think) that no need exim4? |
| 15:28.29 | nvz | stew: did you fix it in /msg? |
| 15:28.32 | stew | yes |
| 15:28.46 | xam | pjota: it is the mail transport agent, the service that is responsible to deliver email (also local mail). Needed in most unix systems (for local services) |
| 15:28.50 | valdyn | pjota: i told you why you need an MTA already, esmtp provides the minimum, try it.. |
| 15:28.56 | dushtabuddhi | pjota esmtp wont start at startup |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 15:29.00 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 15:29.02 | dushtabuddhi | pjota and you wont have the delay |
| 15:29.07 | nvz | stew: k. just seemd strange at first.. you used too many /'s and it almost looked like you were erasing a whole factoid :P |
| 15:29.20 | nvz | stew: I guess its for the better that we try change tone of those things :P |
| 15:29.22 | sciboy | 2:30am. >_o; |
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| 15:29.45 | stew | nvz: yeah, i don't think the part i removed was helping anyone |
| 15:29.57 | valdyn | pjota: im sure there's alot more things on your system that you do not understand, concluding from that that you dont need them is wrong ;) |
| 15:30.26 | xam | dushtabuddhi: if you simply (force to) remove the MTA, you break you system one way or anther |
| 15:30.38 | dushtabuddhi | xam i didnt suggest removing altogether |
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| 15:30.45 | dushtabuddhi | xam just removing them from starting up |
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| 15:30.57 | dusk | !dusk |
| 15:30.59 | pjota | sure, i'll try to install esmtp and test if problem ends |
| 15:31.01 | Eulex | dushtabuddhi, *sigh* |
| 15:31.01 | pjota | thanks all |
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| 15:31.32 | nvz | stew: nope. :) |
| 15:31.46 | peppet | pjota, or install dnsmasq |
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| 15:31.55 | xam | dushtabuddhi: doesn't matter. You try to 'fix' one thing by breaking another one ... |
| 15:31.57 | nvz | stew: thanks for taking notice. |
| 15:32.06 | valdyn | pjota: uh, esmtp wont do it |
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| 15:32.51 | valdyn | pjota: ssmtp will, my bad. |
| 15:32.55 | edrin | You have a Logitech Mouse connected, and libusb was found at compile time, but it was not possible to access this mouse. |
| 15:32.56 | pjota | so, why can i resolve the problem? |
| 15:32.59 | edrin | why is this? |
| 15:33.08 | pjota | valdyn: thanks! |
| 15:33.08 | edrin | (in KDE) |
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| 15:33.18 | dushtabuddhi | xam still! i dont see, why somebody running only a GNOME desktop should run a SMTP server too |
| 15:33.27 | valdyn | pjota: apt-get install ssmtp, will remove exim ( or whatever 'real' MTA you have |
| 15:33.36 | roge | hello, speaks anybody german around, and knows about updating kernel and udev under unstable ? |
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| 15:33.50 | paulswm | !tell roge about de |
| 15:34.00 | valdyn | dushtabuddhi: the fact that someone has a gnome desktop does in no way mean that his system can get along nicely without cron |
| 15:34.04 | roge | thanks |
| 15:34.13 | paulswm | roge: you're welcome |
| 15:34.19 | dushtabuddhi | valdyn and cron needs smtp to do what ? |
| 15:34.38 | valdyn | dushtabuddhi: it needs an MTA to report errors |
| 15:34.39 | xam | pjota: as other have stated, it has most likely to do with initial DNS lookups. Sometimes additional entries in /etc/host using a proper FQDN for the system helps. Never had the problem here though ... |
| 15:34.39 | harfooz | hi all. I have a sid box on which I installed apt-listbugs. I want to be sure I understand the output from apt-listbugs. Can someone please tell me what "done" vs. "open" means in the output? does "done" mean "fixed"? |
| 15:34.43 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:34.43 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
| 15:34.45 | stew | dushtabuddhi: if a cron job has problems it needs a way to communicate them to you |
| 15:34.57 | dushtabuddhi | valdyn and you think, the user would even see them ? |
| 15:35.02 | Ungy | dushtabuddhi, so you dont; want to recieve errors or messages from yoru system when you have problems? |
| 15:35.18 | abrotman | it's debian .. who has problems ? |
| 15:35.23 | Ungy | dushtabuddhi, if they set up there mail client properly they sure as hell woudl |
| 15:35.39 | Ungy | abrotman people who don;t use the packages |
| 15:35.55 | stew | dushtabuddhi: is there a reason that you are particularly opposed to having an MTA or are you merely curious? |
| 15:35.59 | Ungy | abrotman or people who use postgresql take your pick |
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| 15:36.08 | valdyn | dushtabuddhi: if some user is incapable to read cron's error messages ( which will end up in the inbox he defined when installing debian, or in roots mailbox ), then that is no reason to have anyone tell him to fuck up his system. |
| 15:36.13 | dushtabuddhi | stew: i'm not opposed to running a MTA |
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| 15:37.05 | dushtabuddhi | stew: but just pointing out most ppl, (using desktop ) would never even know abt the mails they get |
| 15:37.31 | dushtabuddhi | stew: from the system |
| 15:37.32 | zwf | debian |
| 15:37.47 | dushtabuddhi | stew: from the system. |
| 15:37.48 | abrotman | Ungy: odd .. i have no problems with pgsql ... if you do .. must be the admin |
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| 15:38.33 | tosh_ | hi, does anyone know an opensource equivalent for livelink? or another documentsharing solution? |
| 15:38.52 | pure2 | apache? :| |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | tosh_: gobby ? |
| 15:39.23 | abrotman | i guess that's a collarborative editor |
| 15:39.26 | stew | dushtabuddhi: why not, unless they change their pam configuration (which a normal desktop user shouldn't) they should get messages like "You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/user" in a terminal |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | !info gobby |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | or ont |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:39.59 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 15:40.01 | dushtabuddhi | stew: if they are logging in via gdm, less chances of that |
| 15:40.11 | abrotman | !info gobby sid |
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| 15:40.55 | abrotman | did dpkg have his !info removed ? |
| 15:40.59 | tosh_ | abrotman im more looking like something like "plone" |
| 15:41.03 | tosh_ | s/like/for/ |
| 15:41.05 | stew | dushtabuddhi: do you have a proposal? |
| 15:41.20 | nvz | I wasnt aware you could put symbols in email addresses other than like @ and . |
| 15:41.23 | stew | dushtabuddhi: they are asked during install where to send this mail |
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| 15:41.32 | abrotman | tosh_: like a whiteboard kind of thing ? |
| 15:42.02 | dushtabuddhi | stew, i have no proposal |
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| 15:43.04 | tosh_ | abrotman I want a livelink clone really, a webbased document repository, like this http://www.web4you-networx.de/logos/screenshot-livelink-documentmanagement_42.gif |
| 15:43.05 | abrotman | tosh_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/steam ? |
| 15:43.19 | abrotman | tosh_: oh .. that's not at all what i thought you meant :) |
| 15:43.29 | abrotman | though steam looks interesting |
| 15:43.37 | dushtabuddhi | stew, only that if somebody has probs with his/her MTA, then disabling MTA from the startup wouldnt do anything |
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| 15:44.17 | stew | dushtabuddhi: i don't understand what you are saying |
| 15:44.21 | Tenkawa | well I decided on hardware choice.. yay |
| 15:44.51 | abrotman | tosh_: i don't know of anything off hand .. but i'm sure there's something in debian .. did you try like `apt-cache search web document management` ? |
| 15:44.56 | dushtabuddhi | stew, leave it mr. pjota must have solved his problem already |
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| 15:46.22 | sifi | How can I check the ip on a NAT server if im behind it? |
| 15:46.30 | valdyn | !myip |
| 15:46.30 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ ([\d\.]+)<.+/$1/;' |
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| 15:46.47 | Smerdyakov | At what day of the month and time are /etc/cron.monthly files run? |
| 15:47.12 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: you see that in /etc/crontab |
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| 15:47.55 | Smerdyakov | valdyn, aha. Thanks. |
| 15:48.16 | tosh_ | abrotman no, but I will, thanks |
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| 15:49.06 | sifi | valdyn, well that for the ip from this computer thats behind NAT, I want the IP for the server thats running NAT |
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| 15:49.36 | valdyn | sifi: yea i know |
| 15:49.48 | sifi | valdyn, so how do I figure it out? |
| 15:49.56 | xam | sifi: ise the checkip.dyndns.org approach |
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| 15:49.58 | xam | use |
| 15:50.04 | valdyn | sifi: the last example in what dpkg said does that |
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| 15:50.06 | sifi | http://whatismyip.com is ok |
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| 15:51.01 | sifi | valdyn, ah, nice |
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| 15:51.15 | valdyn | sifi: or: lynx -dump http://iplookup.flashfxp.com |awk '/./{print $1}' |
| 15:51.35 | FlimFlamMan | anyone know of a linux diagramming tool that supports UML sequence diagrams and state transition diagrams? |
| 15:51.59 | sifi | valdyn, that took long time, the one from dpkg was mutch faster |
| 15:52.03 | sifi | valdyn, thank you |
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| 15:52.20 | sifi | valdyn, and one more thing, how am I killing amsn |
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| 15:52.54 | sifi | valdyn, I've been trying a lot of commands for killing amsn but none of the success |
| 15:52.54 | sciboy | Ick, so many dependencies. |
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| 15:53.18 | valdyn | sciboy: i suppose you could have read the apt-zip docs twice by now ;) |
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| 15:54.00 | sifi | valdyn, any suggestion? |
| 15:54.02 | Ryushin | The locales settings are causing me problems on my only two sid machines. Where do I set all the locale settings? |
| 15:54.16 | reind | I just did a dist-upgrade on testing and now my mouse is no longer in /dev/input/mice . Any idea what's changed or where the new dev would be? |
| 15:54.22 | valdyn | sifi: killall amsn |
| 15:54.40 | fly_80 | anybody knows why linux-source-2.6.14 is no more available on Testing ? |
| 15:55.01 | dushtabuddhi | Ryushin: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:55.14 | sifi | valdyn, I have tryed that one before, but amsn is still up and running |
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| 15:55.32 | valdyn | sifi: killall -9 amsn |
| 15:55.48 | Ryushin | dushtabuddi: That doesn't seem to do it. I can choose the locale settings, but it doesn't update the variables. |
| 15:55.54 | sciboy | Atleast i'm not doing it via. trial and error though. |
| 15:56.06 | valdyn | Ryushin: log out and back in |
| 15:56.16 | Ryushin | valdyn: Done that too. |
| 15:56.29 | Ryushin | /etc/environment has only one setting there. |
| 15:56.41 | sifi | valdyn, nope, that didn't work out either |
| 15:56.52 | Ryushin | I'm almost thinking this was a bug in sid now. |
| 15:57.02 | valdyn | sifi: you realise that 'didnt work' is a particularily useless information for me? |
| 15:57.08 | valdyn | sifi: ps aux | grep amsn |
| 15:57.09 | Ryushin | As one machine that was working fine started having this problem. |
| 15:57.12 | nixie | i've got an fstab line to let normal users mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt. filesystem type = auto. When i now change to this user and do 'mount /mtn' it works. when i do 'strace mount /mnt' it says "must be superuser to use mount". On a different box, it doesnt work with nor without strace. fstab has 'user,noauto' as options. i cannot find the logic here.. |
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| 15:57.41 | nixie | how does an strace affect my permissions to mount a configured filesystem mountpoint? |
| 15:57.55 | nixie | and why does it work without strace on box A but not on box B? |
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| 15:58.07 | Bob332 | anyone know how to brute force terminal services? hydra plugin? |
| 15:58.20 | sifi | valdyn, yes, and what do I do next? |
| 15:58.41 | stew | Bob332: what do you mean "brute force"? you mean guess the remote password? |
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| 15:58.46 | valdyn | sifi: paste the output of the above command |
| 15:59.02 | valdyn | !tell sifi -about paste |
| 15:59.10 | misieq | why did the hen cross the road? |
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| 15:59.18 | Bob332 | stew, ya |
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| 15:59.32 | stew | Bob332: why not just ask the administrator of the terminal services box? |
| 15:59.33 | oskie | i wonder why debian has such an old version of openvpn |
| 15:59.50 | blinkidiot | I am having an issue with png support in gnome after doing `apt-get update` & `apt-get upgrade` yesterday... .png support seems to be broken, but I can still view .png files in firefox |
| 15:59.59 | oskie | nevermind me |
| 16:00.07 | blinkidiot | I'm wondering what I should do to find the issue? |
| 16:00.07 | Bob332 | stew, proof of concept....curious |
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| 16:00.23 | sifi | valdyn, http://rafb.net/paste/results/C66oFt43.html |
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| 16:00.34 | blinkidiot | or what channel I should go to for help |
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| 16:01.05 | pokkie_ | how can i rebuild the database that 'locate' uses? |
| 16:01.09 | blinkidiot | updatedb |
| 16:01.12 | pokkie_ | ta |
| 16:01.32 | blinkidiot | so is there anybody that can help me? I think that gtk is the issue |
| 16:01.35 | valdyn | sifi: kill 6003 19874, if that doesnt work kill -9 6003 19874 |
| 16:01.40 | blinkidiot | but don't know how to go about fixing it |
| 16:01.54 | sifi | valdyn, nice =) |
| 16:01.57 | sifi | valdyn, kill 6003 19874 |
| 16:02.00 | pokkie | anybody here successfully managed to setup tomcat5 on debian? |
| 16:02.14 | MoDaX | nixie: mount is setuid root. |
| 16:02.19 | sifi | valdyn, nobody has ever said that before |
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| 16:03.01 | nixie | MoDaX: yep. it is. |
| 16:03.05 | valdyn | sifi: did it kill amsn though? |
| 16:03.06 | Eulex | blinkidiot, check if you get any warnings when starting a gtk2 app. also, check the output of gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders |
| 16:03.13 | sifi | valdyn, yes |
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| 16:03.26 | blinkidiot | ok Eulex |
| 16:03.35 | nixie | MoDaX: this is really not making any sense at all. mount is setuid root. fstab is correct (user,noauto options). if i strace mount /mnt, it DOENST work. if i dont strace it, it does work. |
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| 16:03.43 | sifi | valdyn, that has been the only way for me |
| 16:03.50 | pjota | #join #debian-es |
| 16:03.51 | nixie | on box B it doesnt work in either case, and box B is an image of box A |
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| 16:04.06 | Eulex | blinkidiot, or rather, any relevant warnings when the gtk2 app tries to load the png |
| 16:04.13 | blinkidiot | eulex, output of gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders was this |
| 16:04.14 | sifi | valdyn, amsn hangs to often thats why I asked, thx |
| 16:04.15 | blinkidiot | g_module_open() failed for /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so |
| 16:04.25 | Eulex | blinkidiot, ouch |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | blinkidiot: i think FF uses its own PNG library .. whereas GTK uses libpng or some crap like that |
| 16:05.01 | blinkidiot | : /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: undefined symbol: deflate |
| 16:05.15 | nixie | do i have to add normalusers to the 'disk' group to have mount work with the user option? |
| 16:05.29 | valdyn | nixie: no |
| 16:05.30 | Eulex | blinkidiot, is this on stable, testing or unstable? |
| 16:05.34 | blinkidiot | stable |
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| 16:05.50 | MoDaX | nixie: strace is not setuid root so it starts mount as non-root user |
| 16:05.55 | stew | abrotman: ff depends on libpng |
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| 16:06.09 | nixie | MoDaX: point. |
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| 16:06.25 | abrotman | well .. he's getting the error on libpixbugloader or sometihng .. so i guess it's not libpng |
| 16:06.30 | blinkidiot | I reinstalled libpng; there's no broken symlinks in /usr/lib/ |
| 16:06.31 | abrotman | blinkidiot: you're running sid ? |
| 16:06.36 | sifi | valdyn, one thing, 6003 19874 was never listed at ps aux | grep amsn so how did you get it? |
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| 16:06.42 | blinkidiot | sarge is stable is it not? |
| 16:06.48 | valdyn | sifi: it was listed |
| 16:06.53 | abrotman | but sarge shouldn't get an upgrade like that |
| 16:07.06 | valdyn | sifi: you pasted that.. |
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| 16:07.09 | abrotman | blinkidiot: paste your sources in #flood |
| 16:07.16 | MoDaX | nixie: check if mount is setuid root on the box B |
| 16:07.21 | blinkidiot | my sources of what? |
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| 16:07.25 | nixie | MoDaX: it is |
| 16:07.27 | blinkidiot | oh |
| 16:07.28 | Firestarter | anyone here know of a good nintendo emulator for linux? |
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| 16:07.34 | blinkidiot | apt-get source.list |
| 16:07.36 | blinkidiot | ok |
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| 16:07.48 | valdyn | Firestarter: you just might want to specify more than a company name |
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| 16:08.12 | Eulex | blinkidiot, sarge hasn't had any security updates for libpng12, thus it's impossible of you to have gotten any upgrades to it; that is, if you haven |
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| 16:08.20 | nixie | MoDaX: it isnt. sigh. thx |
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| 16:08.31 | Firestarter | valdyn: just looking for a nintendo emulator |
| 16:08.38 | Eulex | blinkidiot, 't had sarge running on the box since it was testing and haven't updated in a long time |
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| 16:08.41 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 16:08.46 | valdyn | Firestarter: and? |
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| 16:09.02 | valdyn | Firestarter: thats a company, computers do not emulate companies |
| 16:09.03 | blinkidiot | ok, well like I said, I suspect it's gtk causing it all to not work |
| 16:09.03 | JohnFlux | xorg-common and x11-common conflict with each other. I can't work out which should be there |
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| 16:09.16 | JohnFlux | some packages rely on x11-common and others on the xorg-common |
| 16:09.24 | JohnFlux | what's the difference? should I install both? |
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| 16:09.27 | abrotman | blinkidiot: dpkg -l libs/libgtk2.0-0 | tail -1 |
| 16:09.31 | valdyn | Firestarter: if you still dont get it: there's at least: nes,snes,gameboy,nintendo64 |
| 16:09.51 | Firestarter | valdyn: nes |
| 16:09.58 | abrotman | err |
| 16:10.01 | abrotman | blinkidiot: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0 | tail -1 |
| 16:10.10 | blinkidiot | chris@barney:~$ dpkg -l libs/libgtk2.0-0 | tail -1 |
| 16:10.12 | blinkidiot | No packages found matching libs/libgtk2.0-0. |
| 16:10.23 | abrotman | blinkidiot: yeah .. i screwed up .. do the one i just did |
| 16:10.26 | blinkidiot | ii libgtk2.0-0 2.6.4-3.1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library |
| 16:10.42 | abrotman | blinkidiot: oh .. it was the security update |
| 16:10.56 | ViViD | anyone know an app i can use to re-partition my drive to remove the windows installation i have?? |
| 16:11.05 | runa_ | hey :) How can I make apt-get give me more info about this error? Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied. (after apt-get build-dep php4) debian stable/testing (but sources are stable) |
| 16:11.12 | blinkidiot | there was a recent security update? |
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| 16:11.15 | tarzeau | ViViD: cfdisk ? |
| 16:11.19 | blinkidiot | is there a way to roll back? |
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| 16:11.27 | ViViD | whats the ? for? |
| 16:11.32 | pto | Hello, I have a matrox g550, I'm using latest xorg from unstable, and I can't get a cloned dualhead setup working. I keep getting one big desktop stretched over both screens. Option "Clone" "On" has no effect... any ideas? I could copy/paste my config to #flood if someone's interested |
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| 16:11.40 | MoDaX | ViViD: parted, qtparted, cfdisk |
| 16:11.44 | abrotman | blinkidiot: PPC ? |
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| 16:12.11 | blinkidiot | powerpc? I'm on dual AMD K7 |
| 16:12.14 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 16:12.16 | ViViD | MoDaX, which of those is the most user friendly? |
| 16:12.32 | abrotman | blinkidiot: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-913 |
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| 16:12.40 | ViViD | ive got dual opteron 244s |
| 16:12.43 | abrotman | blinkidiot: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-911 |
| 16:12.46 | Eulex | blinkidiot, dpkg -l libpng12-0 | tail -1 |
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| 16:13.02 | Eulex | abrotman, he's got a massive amount of unofficial apt sources |
| 16:13.07 | mazLee | DO any body use debain based Ubuntu here? |
| 16:13.13 | MoDaX | ViViD: maybe qtparted |
| 16:13.24 | abrotman | Eulex: i see that .. but his libgtk is the security one .. that just got updated the other day |
| 16:13.33 | stew | mazLee: #ubuntu |
| 16:13.38 | blinkidiot | ii libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-1 PNG library - runtime |
| 16:13.40 | Eulex | abrotman, true |
| 16:13.52 | mazLee | thanks |
| 16:14.07 | blinkidiot | after I correct this issue, I will ask about which sources should be removed ;) |
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| 16:14.12 | blinkidiot | or commented out |
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| 16:14.24 | ViViD | MoDaX, were you the guy helping me with my dependency issues? |
| 16:14.49 | runa_ | Or better, how can I do to downgrade every pkg I have to stable again? |
| 16:15.01 | MoDaX | ViViD: yeah |
| 16:15.11 | Ronin | runa_: you reinstall after backing up data |
| 16:15.22 | abrotman | blinkidiot: perhaps try to reinstall libgtk2.0-0 ? |
| 16:15.31 | ViViD | well i got it compiled and it hasnt crashed once yet, the deb package crashed frequently |
| 16:15.39 | runa_ | Ronin: not an option |
| 16:15.54 | Ronin | neither is going back |
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| 16:16.35 | runa_ | Ronin: I remember I did it once :) |
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| 16:16.49 | blinkidiot | ok, I just reinstalled it |
| 16:16.52 | ViViD | MoDaX, any chance theres a gui tool like that? |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | blinkidiot: is the file there now ? |
| 16:17.17 | blinkidiot | g_module_open() failed for /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: undefined symbol: deflate |
| 16:17.37 | Ronin | runa_: then you should know what to do then shouldn't you? :) |
| 16:17.42 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:18.04 | runa_ | Ronin: yeah, pin something with higher priority, this other thing with lower, etc ;) |
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| 16:18.23 | abrotman | blinkidiot: dpkg -l libpng12-0 | tail -1 |
| 16:18.30 | ecliptik | I'm reading a file, and then writing some lines to the end of it (using fopen($file, "a")), and it works but the data from the orginal file has a ^M at then end of each line, then the newly written lines don't have any, how can I clean those up so they don't appear in the re-written file? |
| 16:18.49 | Eulex | blinkidiot, why is that thing in /usr/local? no debian stuff is ever put there iirc |
| 16:18.52 | blinkidiot | ii libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-1 PNG library - runtime |
| 16:19.17 | blinkidiot | not sure |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | blinkidiot: dpkg -S lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 16:19.46 | valdyn | !dos2unix |
| 16:19.46 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 16:19.52 | blinkidiot | libpng12-0: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 |
| 16:19.53 | blinkidiot | libpng12-0: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 16:19.58 | valdyn | ecliptik: ^^^ |
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| 16:20.06 | MoDaX | ViViD: qtparted and gparted are gui based. however, they are not in stable :( |
| 16:20.06 | ecliptik | valdyn, sorry, wrong channel |
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| 16:20.24 | ViViD | MoDaX, i can probably compile one |
| 16:20.31 | Eulex | blinkidiot, have you compiled stuff that created that file in /usr/local? |
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| 16:21.07 | abrotman | blinkidiot: locate libpng12.so.0 .. is there one in /usr/local ? |
| 16:21.07 | blinkidiot | I compiled libpng once |
| 16:21.21 | blinkidiot | but have since been using the packages |
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| 16:21.50 | blinkidiot | pasted to flood |
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| 16:22.00 | abrotman | blinkidiot: i think you found the issue |
| 16:22.09 | blinkidiot | i think *you* did |
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| 16:22.10 | blinkidiot | :) |
| 16:22.13 | blinkidiot | what's the issue? |
| 16:22.24 | abrotman | you have a rogue libpng in /usr/local |
| 16:22.31 | Eulex | blinkidiot, libpng installed itself in /usr/local... in which things are searched for before looking in /usr (where all debian packages install stuff) |
| 16:22.39 | blinkidiot | ahhh |
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| 16:22.56 | blinkidiot | so when it upgraded the package, it kept looking at the old .so |
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| 16:23.08 | abrotman | it looks in /usr/local/ first |
| 16:23.24 | blinkidiot | so I should remove the /usr/local/ copy |
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| 16:23.28 | blinkidiot | *copies |
| 16:23.28 | Eulex | yep |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | or rename thenm |
| 16:23.47 | blinkidiot | ok, rename them to .bak |
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| 16:24.40 | abrotman | blinkidiot: and try again! |
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| 16:24.44 | Eulex | blinkidiot, now, try gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders :) |
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| 16:24.59 | hbrednek | Need help in installing a .rpm package. I ran alien --to-deb on an rpm and now I have a .deb file. How do I actually install that? apt-get install says it can't find it, so it's looking someplace but obviously not in the current directory. |
| 16:25.07 | abrotman | hbrednek: man dpkg |
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| 16:25.14 | stew | hbrednek: what package are you trying to install? |
| 16:25.29 | hbrednek | stew: the POSE palm emulator |
| 16:25.31 | obtix_ | ok, so i am having a permission issue... the folder "/data" i am trying to make a normal users the owner using chown (it won't work) as root i try to remove the folder and i get the message the device or resource is busy - how do i check to see what is using it ? |
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| 16:25.59 | hbrednek | and no, man dpkg doesn't install it. Sorry, you must be confused with how 'man' works. |
| 16:26.01 | blinkidiot | "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so" |
| 16:26.06 | blinkidiot | it looks like it worked |
| 16:26.09 | blinkidiot | no errors that I can see |
| 16:26.13 | stew | hbrednek: man man |
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| 16:26.17 | blinkidiot | I'll restart gdm |
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| 16:26.24 | Eulex | hbrednek, he asked you to RTFM |
| 16:26.26 | Firestarter | whats a good nintendo nes emulator? |
| 16:26.42 | abrotman | apt-cache search nes |
| 16:26.43 | hbrednek | Eulex: Yes, I know. |
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| 16:27.13 | Firestarter | thanks |
| 16:27.14 | abrotman | hbrednek: what error does it give when you try to install it via dpkg ? |
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| 16:27.21 | dyne_user | !dpkg |
| 16:27.22 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 16:27.35 | stew | !wikifaq hbrednek PackageManagement |
| 16:27.39 | dpkg | hbrednek: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:27.50 | Eulex | obtix_, lsof|grep /data |
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| 16:28.34 | nyk2005 | I didn't find where horde (webmail) is located after being installed with apt-get... any ideas? |
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| 16:28.48 | Eulex | nyk2005, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 16:28.49 | stew | nyk2005: dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:29.09 | nyk2005 | thanks! |
| 16:29.26 | tosh_ | abrotman check out tutos, thats about what I need |
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| 16:29.52 | nyk2005 | stew: so it has to be symlinked to the webdir? |
| 16:30.13 | abrotman | tosh_: seems a bit overkill .. but hey .. if it works |
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| 16:30.18 | tosh_ | hehe : |
| 16:30.20 | tosh_ | :) |
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| 16:30.31 | petemc | nyk2005: check out /usr/share/doc/horde/ |
| 16:30.36 | tosh_ | btw, does anyone know how to reset the collissions counter of ifconfig for a certain interface? |
| 16:30.43 | stew | nyk2005: create an Alias in apache |
| 16:30.51 | blinkidiot | my png support still seems broken |
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| 16:31.19 | abrotman | why?! |
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| 16:31.24 | blinkidiot | not sure |
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| 16:31.33 | blinkidiot | would you like the complete output of that command? |
| 16:31.34 | cddesjar | hey i see that firefox-1.5rc3 has made it to the backports |
| 16:31.35 | dyne_user | what is the command to reconfigure my settings |
| 16:31.48 | cddesjar | but i can't seem to be able to edit my sources.list to pull it in |
| 16:31.51 | stew | dyne_user: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 16:31.53 | cddesjar | i've got this |
| 16:32.07 | dyne_user | k thanks |
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| 16:32.21 | blinkidiot | there's no errors when I type gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders |
| 16:32.33 | cddesjar | deb http://www.backports.org/pending/firefox/ ./ |
| 16:32.36 | cddesjar | but no dice |
| 16:32.43 | cddesjar | http://www.backports.org/pending/firefox/ |
| 16:32.44 | cddesjar | there's the link |
| 16:32.54 | stew | cddesjar: remove firefox/ |
| 16:33.15 | yang | Package digikam is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:33.28 | stew | yang: /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
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| 16:33.57 | nyk2005 | stew:like a subdomain? |
| 16:34.09 | Guilherme | I got this error when trying to mount a windows share: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it |
| 16:34.12 | yang | stew: its removed from etch? |
| 16:34.14 | cddesjar | stew: thanks! |
| 16:34.18 | Guilherme | dpkg-reconfigure samba ? |
| 16:34.21 | blinkidiot | I'll reinstall the gtk stuff again? |
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| 16:34.59 | stew | nyk2005: no, an Alias, something like "Alias /horde/ /usr/share/horde3/" |
| 16:35.35 | antgel | !! |
| 16:35.35 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 16:35.41 | corp-mule | some how .... my debian box has a telnet client called telnet-netkit ... it sux. |
| 16:35.42 | antgel | wtf? |
| 16:35.47 | corp-mule | I can't get rid of it. |
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| 16:36.10 | antgel | dondelelcaro: since when did dpkg speak spanish? |
| 16:36.36 | stew | !literal ! |
| 16:36.36 | dpkg | ! is <reply> (I am not your damn csh prompt!|No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh) |
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| 16:37.39 | antgel | stew: ah :) |
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| 16:38.01 | eliteforce | hey |
| 16:38.49 | stew | corp-mule: apt-get remove telnet |
| 16:38.58 | stew | corp-mule: but why would you want to remove telnet? |
| 16:39.08 | corp-mule | I don't want to remove telnet |
| 16:39.15 | corp-mule | I want to remove telnet.netkit |
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| 16:39.25 | eliteforce | i'd like to close every port but http/ssh and some others, how can i easily do that? |
| 16:39.28 | corp-mule | I can't run the regular telnet comand from some reason |
| 16:39.43 | corp-mule | I'm trying to use aptitude |
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| 16:39.49 | stew | corp-mule: telnet.netkit is the regular telnet command |
| 16:40.02 | valdyn | eliteforce: by not running the services using those other ports |
| 16:40.04 | stew | corp-mule: update-alternatives --config telnet |
| 16:40.14 | corp-mule | why can't I run just 'telnet' ... it won't let me do it. |
| 16:40.15 | dyne_user | sorry about that stew what was that command again (sorry to be a pain) |
| 16:40.21 | eliteforce | valdyn: i dont but other users on my server :) |
| 16:40.37 | stew | dyne_user: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
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| 16:41.14 | dyne_user | what do i put in replace of "pkgname" |
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| 16:41.22 | stew | dyne_user: what are you trying to reconfigure? |
| 16:41.22 | blinkidiot | Eulex or abrotman: am I up shit creek then? the .so files were renamed and I just rebooted... still no png's in gnome. |
| 16:41.43 | abrotman | blinkidiot: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ... or file a bug |
| 16:41.44 | valdyn | eliteforce: it would make more sense if you ran 'netstat -plunt' and asked us about specific things listed there |
| 16:41.56 | Bob332 | whats the command that will show me things related to networking . IE.....<this command> networking |
| 16:41.58 | stew | blinkidiot: have you run ldconfig? |
| 16:42.07 | dyne_user | it gives me an error that x server cant load |
| 16:42.13 | Bob332 | things=commands |
| 16:42.15 | stew | blinkidiot: what kind of things? |
| 16:42.25 | blinkidiot | since making the changes to the .so files? |
| 16:42.27 | stew | dyne_user: on sarge? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:42.27 | blinkidiot | no I haven't |
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| 16:43.28 | eliteforce | valdyn: why? if an application uses a random port its not very useful to lock one specific port |
| 16:43.48 | dyne_user | ah ok let me write that down so i dont have to bother you again about that (thanks again man... oh and thanks for your help last time i got it up and running on my old laptop) |
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| 16:44.17 | valdyn | eliteforce: you want to restrict users ability to access the internet? |
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| 16:44.53 | eliteforce | valdyn: no i just want to lock every port except a few ones |
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| 16:46.00 | eliteforce | valdyn: i read into the iptables doc but hoohoo its not very simple :) |
| 16:46.03 | obitx | ok, so i have a permission problem. i am trying to give a normal user ownership of a folder "/data" it says operation not permitted when i use chown so i tried to remove the folder as root and it wouldn't let me - how do i see what is using the folder (it says the device or resource is busy) |
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| 16:46.28 | valdyn | eliteforce: apt-cache show firestarters <- simple firewall |
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| 16:46.41 | eliteforce | valdyn: and what about iptables? |
| 16:46.44 | valdyn | eliteforce: apt-cache show firestarter <- simple firewall |
| 16:47.20 | valdyn | eliteforce: everything implementing a firewall on ( recent ) linux kernels uses iptables, that doesnt mean you need to deal with it directly |
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| 16:47.41 | eliteforce | oh |
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| 16:48.25 | eliteforce | valdyn: ok i try to deal with it directly :p |
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| 16:49.56 | sifi | valdyn, ok, but the ID is changing each time amsn is being restarted |
| 16:50.19 | blinkidiot | is there a way I can just go back to the previous gtk package? |
| 16:50.22 | valdyn | sifi: thats called 'pid', sure it does |
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| 16:50.46 | valdyn | sifi: if you dont run any other 'wish' scripts ( which amsn is ), run 'pidof wish' |
| 16:51.17 | sifi | valdyn, which scripts, is many appilcations using it? |
| 16:51.20 | valdyn | sifi: or uh, "pidof '/usr/bin/wish amsn'", if that works |
| 16:51.41 | valdyn | sifi: ps aux | grep wish, compare that to 'ps aux | grep amsn' |
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| 16:51.56 | blinkidiot | err, abrotman or Eulex: is there a way to get the older package to install it again? |
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| 16:52.13 | blinkidiot | until I manually clean up the mess I made when I installed libpng from source |
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| 16:53.19 | Eulex | blinkidiot, reinstalling won't help you, as stuff in /usr/local still will be used instead of the stuff in /usr -- you should check what things you have in /usr/local and remove them if unneeded |
| 16:53.20 | sifi | valdyn, they are the same with one exception, ps aux | grep amsn has also: /bin/sh /usr/bin/amsn |
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| 16:53.40 | corp-mule | I don 't know what the problem was but .... I had to remove telnet, then re-install telnet. Then I had to remove a soft link of /usr/bin/telnet -> /etc/alternatives/telnet and replace it with ln -s /usr/bin/telnet.netkit /usr/bin/telnet |
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| 16:53.59 | sifi | valdyn, kill $(pidof '/usr/bin/wish amsn') ? |
| 16:54.52 | sifi | corp-mule, don't use telnet, use ssh in Linux/UNIX and putty in windows |
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| 16:55.13 | corp-mule | yes, I know. But thanks anyway sifi |
| 16:55.19 | Eulex | corp-mule, if you haven't installed that thing you should be worried... it's not from a package in debian, at least |
| 16:55.34 | corp-mule | haven't installed what thing? |
| 16:55.36 | Eulex | corp-mule, sorry, I'm wrong. ignore comment above |
| 16:55.47 | blinkidiot | should there be libpango in /usr/local/lib? |
| 16:55.48 | corp-mule | aight |
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| 16:56.33 | Eulex | blinkidiot, nothing you've installed from debian packages should be in /usr/local |
| 16:56.39 | corp-mule | I've never heard of 'netkit' before I installed this debian distro ... |
| 16:56.41 | reind | I just did a testing dist-upgrade and now my mouse wont work. I've tried connecting a usb and ps2 mouse, neither work. I'm using the stock 2.7.8-2 kernel. I've tried mdetect and tried cat /dev/input/mouse0-5 and /dev/psaux, /dev/mouse even /dev/input/event0-4 ... any ideas? |
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| 16:57.09 | blinkidiot | ok |
| 16:57.12 | Eulex | reind, I hope that kernel version was a typo |
| 16:57.26 | stew | corp-mule: did you try update-alternatives --config telnet? that should have fixed the links (which should be going through /etc/alternatives) |
| 16:57.29 | reind | Eulex yep, 2.6.8 =) |
| 16:57.31 | sifi | valdyn, kill $(pidof wish) works great, is wish being used often by applications? |
| 16:58.07 | stew | corp-mule: sounds like maybe someone had don a "rm /usr/bin/telnet" for some reason |
| 16:58.19 | Eulex | reind, oh, yep, 2.7.8 doesn't exist, I was thinking 2.5.8... |
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| 16:59.04 | sphenxes | I would like to see what software are there on my Debian 2 DVDs. I tried dselect but I can't get to the software on them. any suggestion please |
| 16:59.14 | Eulex | reind, anyway... do you get any output in the console when you insert/remove the usb mouse? |
| 16:59.33 | antgel | reind: you're not the first to say that today. i can see the "etch mouse" factoid coming. have you checked the bts for the upgraded packages? |
| 16:59.43 | antgel | sphenxes: aptitude |
| 16:59.48 | Eulex | antgel, udev breakage? |
| 16:59.51 | stew | sphenxes: run apt-cdrom |
| 16:59.59 | antgel | Eulex: i think that's what i heard |
| 17:00.00 | sifi | is dc++ avalible for Linux, where can I get it? |
| 17:00.01 | sphenxes | antgel, stew, thanks |
| 17:00.11 | antgel | Eulex: i don't run testing, so don't care that much :P |
| 17:00.34 | stew | antgel: many people are getting hotplug removed which was previously loading mousedev and psmouse |
| 17:00.36 | reind | antgel really? well.. glad to hear i'm not alone =). What is bts? |
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| 17:00.57 | Maneit | sifi: I think there is a (bad) port of DC++. But there are also other clients compatible with the direct connect standard. Ask google. |
| 17:00.59 | antgel | !btssmite reind |
| 17:01.14 | stew | antgel: oh but if he's running 2.6.8 that's not his problem since he must not be running testing's udev then |
| 17:01.57 | reind | Eulex Eulex yep, USB 1-1: New low speed USB device using address 3 |
| 17:02.05 | stew | reind: is the mousedev module loaded? |
| 17:02.58 | reind | stew lsmod|grep mouse only lists psmouse, so i guess not |
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| 17:03.21 | stew | reind: modprobe mousedev, and echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 17:03.48 | stew | reind: what does "dpkg -l udev | tail -1" return? |
| 17:04.24 | reind | stew ii udev 0.074-3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
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| 17:04.54 | reind | stew I added mousedev to /etc/modules. should i reboot now? |
| 17:05.03 | stew | reind: that udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12. are you sure you are running 2.6.8? what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:05.20 | stew | reind: there ins't necessarily a reason to reboot |
| 17:05.22 | reind | stew 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:05.24 | stew | reind: just modprobe mousedev |
| 17:05.33 | blinkidiot | Eulex: I removed all the libpng* libpango* and libg* shared object files and put them in ~/lib |
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| 17:05.36 | blinkidiot | still no luck |
| 17:05.37 | stew | reind: and what cpu do you have? |
| 17:05.53 | reind | athlon xp 2500 iirc |
| 17:06.04 | stew | reind: "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7" and reboot |
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| 17:06.30 | Eulex | reind, install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs too... you would have needed them before, you will probably need them in the future |
| 17:06.34 | nine9 | hi |
| 17:06.44 | reind | Eulex will do, thx for the help |
| 17:06.49 | reind | stew: thanks so much. |
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| 17:07.30 | reind | stew ... i dunno either hehe |
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| 17:08.54 | abrotman | stew: it's a trick .. you're upgrading from sarge to etch ? |
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| 17:09.52 | stew | abrotman: the he in that sentence refers to reind who seems to have the latest udev with a sarge kernel |
| 17:10.08 | abrotman | the udev from etch requires a 2.6.12 |
| 17:10.17 | abrotman | the udev from sarge has no such requirement |
| 17:10.23 | Eulex | stew, it doesn't refuse to install on older kernels. it just mails you a notice about it. if you have apt-listchanges installed, you'd get a message ine the console before upgrading. |
| 17:10.39 | stew | Eulex: ahh, it used to actually refuse to install |
| 17:10.42 | abrotman | stew: in order to do it .. you have to stop your upgrade .. install 2.6.12 .. reboot .. then continue |
| 17:10.53 | stew | abrotman: aparantly not anymore |
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| 17:11.03 | abrotman | stew: i'm not sure the new method is any better :) |
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| 17:11.39 | antgel | what's the factoid for creating a .deb repo? |
| 17:11.54 | stew | abrotman: well in the old method i believe you actually ended up having to download the newer kernel from pdo and install by hand becuase udev would be left half installed |
| 17:11.59 | stew | !repository |
| 17:11.59 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 17:12.11 | antgel | doh! |
| 17:12.17 | abrotman | !smack antgel |
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| 17:12.30 | antgel | !kill abrotman |
| 17:12.31 | abrotman | !suppository |
| 17:12.31 | dpkg | [suppository] a small plug of medication designed for insertion into the rectum or vagina where it melts |
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| 17:12.41 | abrotman | dpkg: that's beautiful! |
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| 17:14.06 | stew | melty |
| 17:14.08 | orion666 | !boo :) |
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| 17:16.13 | sondre | any channels for newbies and games for debian? |
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| 17:16.47 | stew | sondre: this one is probably as good as any |
| 17:17.03 | sondre | I want to know about doom for debian |
| 17:17.09 | abrotman | !doom |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | hmm... doom is an old first person shooting game that spawned the likes of Quake and so on. The classic Castle Wolfenstein series spawned Doom. or There are several cool ports of doom, including zDoom (but it has major licensing problems, includes non-free code from Hexen) and DoomForge(doomGL.sourceforge.net) Doom Legacy is also cool. (doomlegacy.sourceforge.net) Doom III is going to be coming out! yipee! Also PrBoom ... |
| 17:17.18 | Rage_ | Ok, why is xfree86-common and all supporting rubbish that nobody wants running on a server a dependancy of filterproxy? |
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| 17:17.28 | reind | stew that worked, thanks |
| 17:18.16 | Rage_ | And how do I get round that withough breaking the package system? |
| 17:18.23 | stew | !depends filterproxy sarge |
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| 17:18.32 | antgel | Rage_: use aptitude interactively. hitting return on a package name shows more detail. follow it through |
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| 17:19.04 | Rage_ | kthanks. |
| 17:19.05 | stew | Rage_: xfree86-common is not a dependency of filterproxy |
| 17:19.10 | Rage_ | antgel: thats cos it is nasty. |
| 17:19.31 | stew | Rage_: improvements are of course welcome |
| 17:19.37 | Rage_ | It comes up as about to be installed with apt-get install fliterproxy. |
| 17:19.48 | antgel | Rage_: would you like to give a concrete reason for that other than the obvious fact that you haven't tried very hard or read the manual? |
| 17:19.59 | stew | Rage_: does "apt-get -f install" want to install it? |
| 17:20.13 | Rage_ | hmmm... i'll have that a go. |
| 17:20.13 | orion666 | is there somebody who uses gnome with 3 goups of languages and switching that groups with keyboard shortcut? |
| 17:20.39 | Rage_ | nope. |
| 17:20.39 | xsdg | yay, matlab! |
| 17:20.41 | xsdg | 24969 xsdg 18 0 1871m 1.3g 1148 D 11.7 90.8 9:02.96 fileoQF5bi |
| 17:21.09 | ere | anyone have suggestions for software to keep track of hardware and software? (100-150 pc's, 10-20 printers, some digital cameras, etc) |
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| 17:21.25 | xsdg | ere: "keep track of"? what do you mean? |
| 17:21.35 | antgel | stew: dpkg isn't working great with !info either, at least last time i tried |
| 17:21.35 | xored | how to open chm files ? |
| 17:21.42 | antgel | ere: a database |
| 17:21.47 | antgel | !tell xored about chm |
| 17:22.20 | ere | xsdg: store various information associated with each device like hostname, owner, user, specs, maintenance history, serial numbers, purchase date, etc.. |
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| 17:22.44 | Rage_ | stew: It might depend on it through a list of dependancies. |
| 17:22.45 | xored | antgel: is there a better one, i can remember that one, not so "handy". Iam gonna use it for a documentation |
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| 17:23.03 | xsdg | ere: I'd go with antgel, then (database) |
| 17:23.38 | xored | antgel: what about xCHM ? |
| 17:24.11 | antgel | xored: fucked if i know about that shit |
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| 17:25.17 | xored | antgel: wow. |
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| 17:25.59 | stew | Rage_: ahh, its because of permagick |
| 17:26.06 | stew | *perlmagick |
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| 17:26.32 | Rage_ | stew: yea... how do i fix that? |
| 17:26.47 | Eulex | Rage_, file a bug |
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| 17:26.58 | Rage_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.03 | Rage_ | pah |
| 17:27.22 | Rage_ | Eulex: is that a bug? |
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| 17:27.57 | Rage_ | It would work but I would have to install x, which would suc. |
| 17:28.12 | blondie | o.o |
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| 17:28.47 | stew | Rage_: apt-get source filterproxy, remove all the source which uses Image::Magick, edit debian/control, then dpkg-buildpacakge -rfakeroot |
| 17:29.06 | roby | What is an easy to install/configure proxy server? |
| 17:29.19 | Rage_ | squid looks fine. |
| 17:29.26 | antgel | Rage_: might be easier to install x and pretend it's not there :) |
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| 17:29.29 | Eulex | Rage_, btw, xfree86-common is a transitional package on testing and above; it will install xorg |
| 17:29.30 | roby | ah, heard of squid, will try |
| 17:30.15 | Rage_ | a) I am running stable b) it is a server -> no X, not even the org kind. |
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| 17:30.30 | Eulex | Rage_, I'd say it's a minor bug... why would a proxy need X? |
| 17:30.40 | Rage_ | Eulex: true. |
| 17:30.40 | stew | its not a bug |
| 17:30.52 | stew | Eulex: it does on the fly jpeg compression |
| 17:31.05 | stew | Eulex: and the libraries it uses depend on xlibs-dev |
| 17:31.12 | Rage_ | I dont even need that for the love of god. |
| 17:31.31 | stew | Rage_: it wouldn't be hard to remove from the package |
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| 17:31.55 | pedro_ | I am having problems with k3b |
| 17:31.56 | Rage_ | stew: By messing with the source? |
| 17:32.00 | valdyn | Rage_: xlibs arent any worse for a server than any random library |
| 17:32.03 | pedro_ | is there a channel for it? |
| 17:32.13 | antgel | !tell pedro_ about ask |
| 17:32.24 | stew | Rage_: yes |
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| 17:32.45 | Rage_ | valdyn: But they depend in the rest of x. |
| 17:32.56 | valdyn | Rage_: not on a x server |
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| 17:33.12 | dusk | so like, what does this do in irssi HI THERE, IM A WEIRD BLOCK OF TEXT |
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| 17:33.39 | dusk | help, im stuck in your guitar |
| 17:33.43 | Rage_ | dusk: gets you kicked is i was an op. |
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| 17:34.09 | dusk | rage_: well i guess its a good thing you're not |
| 17:34.18 | Rage_ | true. |
| 17:34.20 | stew | Rage_: "apt-file list xfree86-common" it really doesn't install very much, and certainly nothing that would destabilize your server |
| 17:34.43 | Eulex | Rage_, you'd make a wonderful BOFM :) |
| 17:34.47 | Eulex | *BOFMH |
| 17:34.49 | pedro_ | I cannot burn in a dvd-rw |
| 17:35.01 | Eulex | *BOFH |
| 17:35.02 | stew | pedro_: why not? what have you tried?... |
| 17:35.04 | Eulex | :( |
| 17:35.13 | pedro_ | I can make the process with "force" but it doesn't burn |
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| 17:36.48 | antgel | pedro_: will we be guessing what the errors are? |
| 17:37.47 | Rage_ | Muha hahaha! |
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| 17:38.23 | SniperJo | hi guys, how can I make my own fucntions that include a varible like for instace : say($var){ echo $var; } |
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| 17:39.02 | stew | SniperJo: say() { var=$1 ; echo $var} ; say foo; |
| 17:39.19 | stew | SniperJo: or just say() { echo $1 } ; say foo |
| 17:39.23 | bowman | got a slight problem here: I use testing, a package I want is only in stable or unstable - how do I install either one? |
| 17:39.49 | antgel | !iyhtays bowman |
| 17:39.50 | dpkg | bowman: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 17:40.03 | SniperJo | are the $ listed in order they came eg $1 then $2 ? |
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| 17:40.25 | pedro_ | I have came back |
| 17:40.39 | pedro_ | I have solved the problem changing the version of k3b |
| 17:40.46 | pedro_ | to the version stable of debian |
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| 17:41.02 | xam | bowman you could compile the package yourself (the debian way) ;) |
| 17:41.05 | pedro_ | It looks like there is a problem with version testing and dvd-rw |
| 17:41.19 | stew | bowman: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 17:41.38 | netsurf3 | hey what can i use to configure my wlan adaptor with on the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 17:41.47 | stew | pedro_: k3b is not currently in testing |
| 17:41.56 | pedro_ | well |
| 17:42.01 | cheal | netsurf3: perhaps iwconfig? |
| 17:42.04 | pedro_ | is the version 0.12.1-2 |
| 17:42.10 | bowman | antgel, xam, stew: thx |
| 17:42.17 | pedro_ | I have came back to 0.11.20-1 |
| 17:42.23 | netsurf3 | cheal how does one obtain program? |
| 17:42.25 | pedro_ | and now all is right |
| 17:42.34 | pedro_ | thank you very much |
| 17:42.36 | antgel | netsurf3: one reads the DOCS |
| 17:42.40 | cheal | netsurf3: iwconfig is part of the wireless-tools package |
| 17:42.47 | netsurf3 | thanks |
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| 17:43.12 | blinkwork | Eulex: I just manually removed everything from /usr/local that was placed there by the manual source install by reinstalling it with a |tee install.log to see where everything was going |
| 17:43.18 | stew | netsurf3: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 17:43.24 | blinkwork | then ran ldconfig |
| 17:43.25 | SniperJo | stew: how can I define varibles more that 1 varible then |
| 17:43.33 | blinkwork | still doesn't work |
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| 17:44.22 | stew | SniperJo: blah() { var1=$1 ; var2=$2 ; }; or some people prefer: blah() { var1=$1 ; shift ; var2=$1 ; shift } |
| 17:44.41 | SniperJo | :S ok |
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| 17:45.12 | harleyg | is kde 3.5 on debian yet? |
| 17:45.13 | ArtVandalae | ./dev/hda is the hard drive, /dev/hdaX where X is a number is a partition? |
| 17:45.18 | stew | harleyg: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:45.20 | cheal | harleyg: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:45.21 | antgel | stew: you always come out with good stuff. i didn't know there was man wireless |
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| 17:45.36 | stew | antgel: :) |
| 17:45.37 | antgel | !tell harleyg about pdo |
| 17:45.43 | harleyg | ok |
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| 17:45.54 | wang_ | help! -:- You have new email. <--it's doing that since balsa is open but it only displays the new mail in pine and not balsa, how do i turn that off |
| 17:47.01 | SniperJo | stew: what is the matter with AppMan(){ var1 = $1; var2 = $2; /etc/init.d/$1 $2; } ? |
| 17:47.27 | stew | SniperJo: the spaces between var1 and = and $1 |
| 17:47.34 | stew | SniperJo: man invoke-rc.d |
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| 17:47.48 | SniperJo | stew: what ? |
| 17:48.05 | stew | SniperJo: seems like maybe you just want do do "alias AppMan=invoke-rc.d" |
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| 17:48.24 | SniperJo | stew: what is invoke-rc.d ? |
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| 17:48.28 | Zap-W | vis there an alternative to -j ROUTE that dosen't break nat? |
| 17:48.50 | Serge_K | anyone tried FreeNX on modem link? |
| 17:48.51 | stew | SniperJo: it does the same thing that your AppMan function seems to be trying to do |
| 17:48.55 | antgel | SniperJo: man invoke-rc.d |
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| 17:48.59 | Zap-W | dEbIaN |
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| 17:49.29 | SniperJo | Stew: ok but for the prupose of learning functions, is there anything wrong with mine ? |
| 17:49.42 | antgel | Zap-W: given the other channels you're on, would they not be better qualified to answer? |
| 17:50.05 | antgel | SniperJo: yeah. you're reinventing the wheel :) |
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| 17:50.24 | stew | SniperJo: yes "var=$1" is a variable assignment. "var = $1" is calling the command named "var" with 2 arguments: "=" and "$1" |
| 17:50.29 | Zap-W | antgel: i shoot to all directions and hope something will hit |
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| 17:50.49 | antgel | Zap-W: we've all been there |
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| 17:51.30 | Eulex | blinkwork, sorry, I've got no idea what the problem is... |
| 17:51.57 | ArtVandalae | I have a /dev/hda2 partition and it has 1 block size. I've check fstab it doesn't seem to have a purpose. Any idea what it might be? |
| 17:52.04 | SniperJo | stew: I am confused |
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| 17:52.20 | SniperJo | stew: AppMan(){ var1=$1; /etc/init.d/$1 restart; } |
| 17:52.30 | stew | SniperJo: that looks fine to me |
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| 17:53.32 | SniperJo | stew: and how do I call it ? AppMan(vsftpd) ? |
| 17:53.42 | stew | SniperJo: "AppMan vsftp" |
| 17:54.20 | smagy2 | hello folks, i would really appreciate some help . on a production server with software raid 5 , device /dev/md4 has an array of 5 disks of which i had hotswapped out one disk and started raid sync. the disk is 143G and usually takes 2 hrs. but now the sync time is 900 mins which is not normal. /dev/md4 ismounted /disk1 , fuser -um /disk1 shows nothing lsof +d /disk -N shows nothing. i am at complete loss on how to nail down the problem. i tried |
| 17:54.20 | smagy2 | with 2 different disks, but yet the problem is same. hardware was working fine. i believe the problem is at OS/userland. |
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| 17:54.56 | antgel | smagy2: is dma on? |
| 17:55.12 | valdyn | smagy2: cat /proc/mdstat should tell you the sync speed |
| 17:55.43 | smagy2 | antgel: hmmn it is a scsi disk. hdparm /dev/sde didn't show anything useful |
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| 17:56.36 | smagy2 | valdyn: the sync speed is =2276K/sec, it is usually of the order of 20M instead of 2 M if i recollect properly/ |
| 17:56.56 | SniperJo | stew: and how do I call it ? AppMan(vsftpd) ? |
| 17:57.07 | valdyn | smagy2: unless something is using the disk |
| 17:57.11 | valdyn | smagy2: sync only uses idle io |
| 17:57.20 | ult | Hi. So, I've got a Fortran program (third party, proprietary) that allocates a lot of storage that a normal Fortran compiler would place on the stack, but that GCC presumably places in heap memory. The program will run normally when the machine's uptime is low, but some time after the uptime hits double-digit hours, the program will get a SIGKILL immediately when started; the program is killed when it's trying to allocate memory (potentia |
| 17:57.38 | ult | Whew. |
| 17:58.05 | valdyn | smagy2: you could increase the minimum sync rate though, not sure how |
| 17:58.07 | smagy2 | valdyn: well lsof -d /disk1 -N gives nothing , fuser -um /disk1 gives nothing. fuser -v /disk1 shows automount |
| 17:58.18 | dbron | Hi all, were can I turn off autonegotiate and force full duplex - Is that in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:58.19 | yang | Can i install a package from sarge into etch? |
| 17:58.40 | dbron | s/were/where/ |
| 17:58.58 | antgel | dbron: man mii-tool |
| 17:59.12 | dbron | antgel: I tried that and got output I didn't expect |
| 17:59.15 | SniperJo | stew: and how do I call it ? AppMan(vsftpd) ? |
| 17:59.20 | cheal | yang: depends on which one |
| 17:59.25 | corp-mule | > free -m |
| 17:59.25 | corp-mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.25 | corp-mule | Mem: 1009 959 50 0 194 256 |
| 17:59.25 | corp-mule | -/+ buffers/cache: 507 501 |
| 17:59.25 | corp-mule | Swap: 256 0 256 |
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| 17:59.30 | dbron | antgel: eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link |
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| 17:59.37 | yang | cheal: digikam is not packed into etch |
| 17:59.41 | TwistedEmotions | !tell corp-mule about paste |
| 17:59.49 | corp-mule | thx |
| 17:59.55 | antgel | !tell corp-mule about thx |
| 17:59.58 | dbron | antgel: there is only one nic on the box and I am ssh'd in |
| 18:00.09 | antgel | !tell corp-mule about topic |
| 18:00.14 | dbron | antgel: I am pretty sure there is a link |
| 18:00.29 | cheal | yang: not a good idea, consider using sid's package instead |
| 18:00.29 | TwistedEmotions | !tell corp-mule about everything |
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| 18:00.41 | corp-mule | wow ... I feel the love! |
| 18:00.42 | corp-mule | :) |
| 18:00.44 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 18:00.48 | dbron | antgel: but 10baseT half duplex is idiotic |
| 18:00.50 | corp-mule | antgel, thx |
| 18:00.51 | corp-mule | :) |
| 18:00.55 | dbron | antgel: I have to change tat |
| 18:00.57 | dbron | that even |
| 18:01.02 | SniperJo | can anyone tell me what is the matter with AppMan(){ var1 = $1; var2 = $2; /etc/init.d/$1 $2; } ? |
| 18:01.16 | antgel | dbron: what's the problem other than mii-tool's output? |
| 18:01.27 | antgel | SniperJo: /j #bash |
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| 18:01.43 | SniperJo | antgel: what ? |
| 18:01.46 | mith | SniperJo: it's broken |
| 18:01.56 | TwistedEmotions | SniperJo: join #bash is what he was saying. |
| 18:02.06 | SniperJo | :o |
| 18:02.08 | asuffield | dbron: don't forget to change it on the switch too |
| 18:02.08 | SniperJo | thanks :D |
| 18:02.21 | blondie | SniperJo: gaping mouths --> trouble |
| 18:02.23 | dbron | antgel: that is all so far, if the tool doesn't see that a link exists, I was a little concerned about having it change the nic settings |
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| 18:02.38 | TwistedEmotions | blondie: you would know? |
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| 18:02.43 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry.. was too easy. |
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| 18:02.46 | dbron | antgel: if it is reliable otherwise, then I will go forward |
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| 18:02.55 | antgel | dbron: how do you know it's not running FD? |
| 18:03.01 | blondie | TwistedEmotions: maybe |
| 18:03.03 | dserban | what are the make env variables I have to set to get the kernel to compile under gcc 3.3/3.4? |
| 18:03.21 | dbron | 12:58 < dbron> antgel: but 10baseT half duplex is idiotic |
| 18:03.24 | blinkwork | ok, thanks again for helping me at least resolve the first part of that issue Eulex. I appreciate it ;) |
| 18:03.25 | SniperJo | #bash seems to be diserted |
| 18:03.31 | dbron | 12:57 < dbron> antgel: eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link |
| 18:03.38 | antgel | SniperJo: you mean you didn't get an answer in 0.5 seconds? |
| 18:03.48 | TwistedEmotions | blondie: back off lady... im not that easy... alright fine you convinced me. |
| 18:03.50 | darkness_ | Hi folks, looking at my logs it appears i'm being targeted by a single ip against ssh. Is adding the ip to host.deny the best way to block them? |
| 18:03.56 | dbron | antgel: and there are collisions |
| 18:03.56 | SniperJo | no I mean I havent heared anyone speak, lay off abit |
| 18:03.59 | blondie | TwistedEmotions: fine, but I'm no lady |
| 18:04.10 | asuffield | dbron: oh wait. you've got *collisions*? say that first |
| 18:04.12 | TwistedEmotions | darkness_: yeah... seems like the best idea to me... |
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| 18:04.24 | asuffield | dbron: autonegotiate is turned off on your switch. go turn it on |
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| 18:04.27 | antgel | dbron: could have said |
| 18:04.31 | phoenix_atlanti1 | Hi folks, I'm doing "ab -n 20000 -c 1000 -k" on one of my apache 2.0.55 servers and getting "apr_recv: Connection reset by peer (104)" on the client side and "(32)Broken pipe: core_output_filter: writing data to the network" as well as "(104)Connection reset by peer: core_output_filter: writing data to the network" on the server side (error.log), can anybody tell me what's going wrong? and maybe where I have to tune... |
| 18:04.34 | TheMinimum | how do i install java |
| 18:04.34 | TwistedEmotions | darkness_: setup so ssh locks down after a certain number of tries and autobans the ip |
| 18:04.57 | antgel | !topicsmite TheMinimum |
| 18:04.57 | TwistedEmotions | blondie: That's evil man ;P |
| 18:05.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon TheMinimum. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:05.16 | dbron | asuffield: but autonegotiate isn't very reliable in my experience, I think I would rather set both sides manually |
| 18:05.22 | dwh | Hello everyone. Is there a HOWTO available for burning the Debian DVDs? k3b is complaining about files bigger than 2G. |
| 18:05.23 | blondie | TwistedEmotions: not if you're gay c.c |
| 18:05.56 | TwistedEmotions | blondie: true, and no.. |
| 18:05.57 | antgel | dwh: what debian release? |
| 18:06.00 | dbron | antgel: k, sounds like mii-tool is the way to go. I will go with that |
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| 18:06.05 | dbron | thanks, antgel asuffield |
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| 18:06.09 | blondie | TwistedEmotions: :P |
| 18:06.12 | asuffield | dbron: your experience is flawed. autonegotiate is perfectly reliable (fundamentally has to be, or the link won't work at all) unless one side has been set manually to something else, in which case you're dead. both sides must always match - either autonegotiate, or some specific settings |
| 18:06.14 | cheal | dwh: no |
| 18:06.42 | dserban | Anyone know? |
| 18:06.42 | TwistedEmotions | blondie: hey I got gay friends... just dont swing that way... |
| 18:06.51 | dbron | asuffield: in both FreeBSD and windows it isn't reliable. |
| 18:06.56 | blinkwork | Eulex!!! |
| 18:06.59 | dwh | antgel: The latest stable one, 31r0a |
| 18:07.00 | blinkwork | I GOT IT WORKING :D |
| 18:07.04 | TwistedEmotions | dserban: what was the question? |
| 18:07.07 | asuffield | dbron: by which you mean "misconfigured", which will be because your *switch* is misconfigured |
| 18:07.09 | Eulex | blinkwork, yes? |
| 18:07.09 | blinkwork | <3 Eulex |
| 18:07.11 | blinkwork | yes |
| 18:07.24 | Eulex | blinkwork, problem was? |
| 18:07.25 | dserban | TwistedEmotions: What env vars do I set to make the kernel compile under gcc 3.4? |
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| 18:07.39 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. |
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| 18:07.47 | blinkwork | after removing all that stuff, I reinstalled all the gtk the common and bin files |
| 18:07.50 | darkness_ | How do you add an ip to host.deny? |
| 18:07.58 | dserban | vim host.deny |
| 18:07.59 | dbron | asuffield: I haven't had many Linux boxes busy enough to show the same behavior as the FreeBSD with autonegotiate on the other platforms |
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| 18:08.22 | blinkwork | thank you so much for your help |
| 18:08.25 | dbron | asuffield: I agree if the switch isn't set the same that problems are bound to result |
| 18:08.25 | blinkwork | you made my friday :) |
| 18:08.35 | Eulex | blinkwork, seems sane. was prolly damaged in some way. |
| 18:08.40 | darkness_ | dserban, it looks like a text file. Do i just add the ip at the bottom of the file without the # ? |
| 18:08.45 | Eulex | blinkwork, yw :) |
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| 18:08.47 | dserban | darkness_: yep |
| 18:08.59 | darkness_ | Tks. |
| 18:09.00 | antgel | dwh: why not ditch the gui and use growisofs? |
| 18:09.12 | asuffield | dbron: this is a FAQ for all network admins. "Why am I getting 10Mbit and collisions?" "You have a switch which has been shipped to default to 100Mbit/FD instead of autonegotiate. Go fix it." |
| 18:09.17 | TwistedEmotions | !tell dserban about compile kernel |
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| 18:09.42 | jade | is there a dpkg history log that shows which packages were installed and removed over time? |
| 18:09.52 | asuffield | old HP switches, old cisco kit of any description, and a bunch of random other ones are all common culprits |
| 18:09.57 | antgel | jade: in testing and above, in aptitude in stable |
| 18:09.57 | cheal | jade: which release? |
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| 18:10.00 | dbron | asuffield: but I have seen MANY occasions in FreeBSD and Windows where BOTH sides are confirmed to be autonegotiate and the network performance is poor |
| 18:10.02 | dserban | TwistedEmotions: thanks I know all that ;) doesn't apply to me imo :( |
| 18:10.06 | cheal | jade: as antgel said |
| 18:10.12 | antgel | dbron: i swear you're making it up |
| 18:10.19 | TwistedEmotions | dserban: sorry ;( tried to help. |
| 18:10.26 | dserban | TwistedEmotions: np, appreciated. |
| 18:10.30 | asuffield | dbron: absolutely has nothing to do with autonegotiate. probably bad cabling that can't support full-duplex |
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| 18:10.31 | jade | sarge 3.1 |
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| 18:10.45 | dbron | asuffield: not in dozens of different data centers |
| 18:10.48 | asuffield | dbron: autonegotiate is so fundamental that it *can't* go wrong, if you can get any data across the link at all |
| 18:10.48 | antgel | jade: then only if you use aptitude (and you should imo) |
| 18:11.06 | jade | i dont have aptitude installed.. |
| 18:11.07 | dserban | dondelelcaro: do you remember what the env vars were to have a kernel compile under gcc3.4? You told me a few days back, but ... I lost it. |
| 18:11.10 | cheal | there's no reason to use aptitude |
| 18:11.21 | cheal | I mean, compared to other frontends |
| 18:11.22 | TwistedEmotions | god I hate aptitude |
| 18:11.23 | asuffield | like, anything that can't support autonegotiate has got *no* hope of sending packets correctly |
| 18:11.23 | antgel | cheal: i'm not even going there |
| 18:11.45 | dwh | antgel: k3b is convenient and uses growfs anyway. |
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| 18:12.05 | antgel | dwh: good luck |
| 18:12.22 | dwh | antgel: gee, thanks... |
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| 18:14.17 | jade | what happened is that i received a new server with standard Debian OS sarge, then installed webmin, plesk, and other packages, etc. later went live with the server and the server did not handle the loads. i was looking to determine if the server had some misconfigurations such that it slowed down its performance. i found that webmin installs xinetd, and plesk utilized inetd causing specific breakage. i attempted to remove everything related to web |
| 18:14.17 | jade | min, but wasn't sure that i completely purged it. |
| 18:14.21 | TwistedEmotions | Whats that other gui for apt? |
| 18:14.43 | TwistedEmotions | the X version of aptitude.. |
| 18:14.44 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
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| 18:15.10 | marculix | TwistedEmotions: http://pubwww.fhzh.ch/~mgloor/buddy.html |
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| 18:15.34 | goccia | dselect ? |
| 18:15.45 | FallOnMe | synaptic? |
| 18:15.49 | TwistedEmotions | there we go |
| 18:15.51 | TwistedEmotions | synaptic |
| 18:16.11 | TwistedEmotions | why not use synaptic is your going to use aptitude? |
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| 18:16.15 | FallOnMe | A @-}, by any other name... |
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| 18:16.37 | felipe_br | guys, if I added kde.alioth to sources.list to get kde 3.5.0, but... |
| 18:16.49 | Serge_K | jade: thats not a good way to use webmin to do any pkg changes.. use apt-get |
| 18:16.57 | felipe_br | ... when I do dist-upgrade, it wants to upgrade do 3.4.3 or something, instead of 3.5.0 |
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| 18:17.00 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: aptitude is a nice command line tool. |
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| 18:17.12 | felipe_br | my doubt is: shouldn't apt pick the highest version? |
| 18:17.14 | yang | If I add manually a package, and then it says there are some dependancies left, how can i auto-get those dependancies? |
| 18:17.18 | Eulex | felipe_br, do apt-cache policy on the package |
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| 18:17.25 | felipe_br | Eulex, tks |
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| 18:17.43 | jade | Serge_K, sorry don't follow you |
| 18:17.44 | FallOnMe | yang: apt-get -f install maybe? |
| 18:17.47 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: but if your going to use command line when why not apt? It's like aptitude... except cut out the clutter? |
| 18:17.57 | yang | FallOnMe: i tried, and it just deleted my package out |
| 18:17.58 | Eulex | felipe_br, btw, have you run apt-get update since you added that apt source? |
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| 18:18.09 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: No, aptitude has some nice features compared to apt-get and apt-cache. |
| 18:18.12 | Laibsch | I am not very knowledgeable about locale but I think I have set things up correctly. Upon starting Thunderbird I still get errors that the locale is not supported by Xlib. Take a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/2BTxRI29.html What is the problem? |
| 18:18.21 | felipe_br | Eulex, yes... policy is giving 990 to unstable (which is default) and 500 to 3.5.0 |
| 18:18.24 | valdyn | yang: apt-get -f install <yourpackageyoudontwantremoved> |
| 18:18.35 | yang | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:18.36 | Serge_K | jade: mean.. webmin is a good tool.. but not for updates/installs |
| 18:18.36 | felipe_br | I don't understand... should I remove Default-release from apt.conf? |
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| 18:18.48 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: really? I used it like 5 times... ticked the shit out of me.. stoped using. What features? |
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| 18:19.34 | yang | valdyn: but then it queries for package in database, i have downloaded a .deb , now just wanna met those dependancies |
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| 18:20.05 | valdyn | yang: dpkg -i that package first.. |
| 18:20.31 | jade | Serge_K, i didnt use it for updates/installs. i used apt-get remove webmin, along with all of the packages i could identify that were related to it. my consideration was that the server was responding sluggishly with normal web traffic loading, and thought to remove it from the system. |
| 18:21.02 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: I use it as apt-get replacement. It does automatical dpkg --configure --all it things get broken, does a better job with difficult dependencies, and some stuff become commands rather than options. Eg. aptitude purge <pkg>. It also has hold/unhold, so I can do most stuff with it that I'd otherwise use dpkg, apt-get and apt-cache for. |
| 18:21.03 | darkness_ | Does ssh hold up well to attacks? |
| 18:21.05 | felipe_br | Eulex, it was that: I removed Default-release now |
| 18:21.11 | jade | top was not revealing the source of the sluggish response time. |
| 18:21.19 | goccia | there is a deb by steve kemp which keeps a records of debs installed iirc |
| 18:21.22 | dbron | asuffield, antgel http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Q_21587741.html has a fairly good discussion about types of issues with autonegotiate. It typically "works" but under load different hardware types or different brands can create performance issues. |
| 18:21.27 | felipe_br | the problem is, I don't need to specify Default-release when I'm using unstable+ |
| 18:21.37 | Eulex | felipe_br, ok. |
| 18:21.55 | felipe_br | of course, without default-release I think apt will pick some from experimental without me saying to |
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| 18:22.33 | stew | felipe_br: type "apt-cache policy" i believe expirimental is automatically pinned at 1001 until you override that |
| 18:22.58 | felipe_br | stew, tks! |
| 18:22.58 | yang | valdyn: doesnt work - http://pastebin.com/446345 |
| 18:23.07 | TwistedEmotions | darkness_: everything is flawed. but ssh is preety secure... you have to figure.. billion dollar corps use it... so it's probably preety secure. |
| 18:23.09 | asuffield | dbron: those are problems with the 1980s autosense scheme. nothing to do with autonegotiate except in that incompetant network admins (of the kind you find on experts-exchange) always get them muddled up and then do stupid things - like the habit of configuring autonegotiate off at the cited university (guaranteed to break every windows client without fail) |
| 18:23.54 | valdyn | yang: apt-get cannot fix your package depending on packages that arent in the repository |
| 18:24.29 | valdyn | yang: ( or 'are not installable' ) |
| 18:24.29 | yang | valdyn: but i took an old package from sarge and i wanted to install into etch, etch has newer libs, so? |
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| 18:24.48 | valdyn | yang: try installing those 'uninstallible' packages directly to see details |
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| 18:24.58 | goccia | here it is : dpkg-changes - Report upon packages added or removed from a Debian system |
| 18:25.14 | stew | yang: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:25.28 | valdyn | yang: no, etch libs arent just new, and you cannot just use sarge packages in etch |
| 18:25.38 | soymilk | anyone know how to handle a doc/ directory with a seperate Makefile in debian/rules for dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 18:25.56 | cheal | yang: why are you trying to install stable digikam on etch? |
| 18:26.01 | soymilk | anyone know how to handle a doc/ directory with a seperate Makefile in a source tree for debian/rules for dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 18:26.33 | stew | soymilk: and the doc directory's make isnt' called by the main makefile? |
| 18:26.33 | Farris1 | I've got a 3ware 9550SX raid card, with 7x 300G drives in it. Eventually, about 40 machines will be mounting (via NFS) their /home and various other directories from this array. Is it more efficient to create one big RAID unit and then slice it up on the FS side, or is it better to create more than one array so that the system sees multiple drives instead? |
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| 18:26.40 | TwistedEmotions | yang: 300+ packages to upgrade? Either you havent upgraded in a long time or your not using etch and just changed your sources... |
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| 18:27.20 | netsurf3 | any dedicated wlan channel on here? |
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| 18:27.30 | stew | netsurf3: #wireless |
| 18:27.33 | netsurf3 | ty |
| 18:27.45 | TwistedEmotions | yang: easy way to do all this... change your sources to whatever distrib you are currently running... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:27.45 | felipe_br | guys, I'd like to know from you which criteria do you use for choosing stable, testing or unstable |
| 18:27.47 | SniperJo | hey does anyone know if netgear routers can be quired? |
| 18:27.49 | ILF_ | hey there. in unstable, synaptic is uninstallable. "Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but 2.6.10-2 is to be installed" and "Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.10.1) but 1.8.2-3 is to be installed". this is gtks fault, right? |
| 18:27.59 | FallOnMe | Farris1: If you can deal with less storage space, multiple LUs will probably do better. |
| 18:28.11 | valdyn | felipe_br: if you have to ask, use stable |
| 18:28.11 | felipe_br | I'm using stable at home because there I have DSL 256kbps, too slow for unstable and daily updates |
| 18:28.23 | TwistedEmotions | yang: then apt-cache search <whatever your trying to install>... then apt-get install <nameofpackage>... and it will tkae care of all the dependencies for you |
| 18:28.24 | felipe_br | stable no... testing, as a matter of fact |
| 18:28.25 | yang | cheal: becouse there is no digikam in etch , its only in sarge, sid |
| 18:28.27 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Due to NFS's bottleneck, or what? |
| 18:28.42 | FallOnMe | Farris1: Due to, believe it or not, filesystem. |
| 18:28.44 | felipe_br | I use unstable at university because it is fast |
| 18:29.00 | felipe_br | is it safe to use testing on a home firewall |
| 18:29.07 | stew | ILF_: paste your sources.list to #flood or a pastebin (don't paste here) |
| 18:29.19 | Serge_K | jade: whad di you men, with "server did not handle the loads." thing? |
| 18:29.24 | TwistedEmotions | felipe_br: there are like 2 megs of updates everyday in unstable.. |
| 18:29.29 | yang | TwistedEmotions: my etch upgrade is recent |
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| 18:29.38 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: So debian can better handle writing to a bunch of FS than saturating a single FS? |
| 18:29.40 | TwistedEmotions | felipe_br: set chron to do it. |
| 18:29.59 | TwistedEmotions | yang: when why the 300 packages waiting to be upgraded? |
| 18:30.08 | felipe_br | TwistedEmotions, have never seen this way :-) cool! |
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| 18:30.13 | stew | ILF_: actually nevermind. yes it looks like its a broken dependency |
| 18:30.13 | FallOnMe | Farris1: we had storage for mailboxes on a 600GB ext3 and it performed quite miserably. We are splitting it now to 8 x 120GB, to get decent I/O speed and faster backups. |
| 18:30.18 | ILF_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/446352 |
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| 18:30.46 | ILF_ | stew: should i file a bug report on synaptic or gtk? |
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| 18:31.01 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Even better than a RAID 5 configuration? |
| 18:31.05 | yang | TwistedEmotions: oh, shit looks like it didnt download :) |
| 18:31.15 | TwistedEmotions | felipe_br: just saying... after one major download... you are set... if you setup cron to update and upgrade for you daily you are fine... |
| 18:31.16 | FallOnMe | Farris1: Eh? |
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| 18:31.27 | cheal | yang: didn't I tell you that this was a bad idea, and suggest an alternative? |
| 18:31.35 | stew | ILF_: if synaptic depends on versions not in the repository (which i believe is the case with libgtk2.0.0) then file a bug on synaptic |
| 18:31.47 | SchroedingersCat | hey, has anybody recently had any problems with digital cameras lately on deb? |
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| 18:31.58 | TwistedEmotions | yang: apt-get dist-upgrade (if your switchign to eth)... or apt-get upgrade if you have always been using etch... |
| 18:32.07 | cheal | ILF_: did you check the BTS? |
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| 18:32.46 | cheal | ILF_: not GTK's fault |
| 18:32.51 | TwistedEmotions | Who uses a camera to pull out hair? |
| 18:32.57 | TwistedEmotions | SchroedingersCat: use your hands. |
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| 18:33.04 | yang | SchroedingersCat: are u using gphoto2 ? |
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| 18:33.11 | jade | Serge_K, the day i went live with the LAMP config, it received 180175 hits, and page loading began to time out, or load only after a very long time > 3 minutes |
| 18:33.12 | Ungy | TwistedEmotions, a sadist you know that auto zoom can feel like an epilady |
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| 18:33.14 | hans0lo | SchroedingersCat: I've always just used a USB card reader.. |
| 18:33.26 | SchroedingersCat | hans0lo, i might have to do that |
| 18:33.30 | FallOnMe | Farris1: We have SAN storage with nominal 2Gbps bw. sequential R or W to the LUN is 120-140 MBps, but doing tar or someting on a huge partition is 10-15 times slower. |
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| 18:33.32 | ILF_ | cheal: yeah, nothing there.. |
| 18:33.36 | SchroedingersCat | yang, jut the libgphoto2 |
| 18:33.38 | TwistedEmotions | Ungy: hahah... true true. |
| 18:33.59 | SchroedingersCat | but i'm having major permission problems somewhere |
| 18:34.01 | hans0lo | SchroedingersCat: check dmesg after you plug in your camera. It may say what device is assigned to it. (ex. /dev/sda) |
| 18:34.11 | yang | SchroedingersCat: try gphoto2 --auto-detect as root if it shows you the camera |
| 18:34.11 | SchroedingersCat | hans0lo, my camera doesn't support it |
| 18:34.19 | cheal | ILF_: you should check again |
| 18:34.22 | jade | i had sarge running on some very fast hardware, dual xeons config |
| 18:34.31 | SchroedingersCat | yang, the camera works, but the permissions are fscked or something |
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| 18:34.38 | SchroedingersCat | i can use it as root, but not as normal user |
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| 18:34.44 | hans0lo | SchroedingersCat: I got a 6-in-1 usb card reader online for about $65~ |
| 18:34.54 | SchroedingersCat | even though the permissoins in /proc/bus/usb/003/ are set right |
| 18:34.54 | yang | SchroedingersCat: i have the same problem, but i just use it as root... |
| 18:34.59 | SchroedingersCat | and even after i changed them |
| 18:35.04 | cheal | ILF_: note that synaptic is rebuilding ATM on i386 |
| 18:35.04 | hans0lo | SchroedingersCat: crap. type-o.. that was $6 |
| 18:35.04 | SchroedingersCat | arrrrrg |
| 18:35.05 | FallOnMe | Farris1: also consider time for 4/8 parallel fscks on smaller LUs, vs. one huge filesystem. |
| 18:35.21 | dbron | asuffield: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~scott/xe_drv/ is another more recent link. Perhaps it is more of a FreeBSD specific issue, but I have also been on a conference call with MS support involved and they have had the same issues with both sides set to auto (specifically it typically appears as high volumes of retransmitted packets) |
| 18:35.27 | yang | SchroedingersCat: those devices get dinamically assigned, so if you change permissions there it doesnt help much |
| 18:35.37 | TwistedEmotions | but the permissions are fscked or something... hahaha |
| 18:35.40 | Gmoliv | jade, nice |
| 18:35.46 | Gmoliv | jade, i ran it in a quad-xeon |
| 18:36.03 | Gmoliv | jade, but i had to recompile the kernel, because of memory limit |
| 18:36.07 | SchroedingersCat | yang, i changed it after finding out which device it was using lsusb |
| 18:36.12 | hans0lo | SchroedingersCat: my fstab entry: /dev/sde1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 18:36.19 | Gmoliv | (4 gb i think) |
| 18:36.57 | ILF_ | cheal: nothing there: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=synaptic&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 18:37.01 | FallOnMe | Farris1: but, if you make a large RAID5 you get more space than if you do 4 RAID1 on the same disks. |
| 18:37.27 | asuffield | dbron: those are pure driver bugs (which have been fixed, according to that) |
| 18:37.45 | TwistedEmotions | Can/Should I run a RAID system if I have 5 HD's but all different sizes? |
| 18:37.54 | cheal | ILF_: #341338 |
| 18:38.00 | asuffield | and *everything* with ethernet appears as retransmitted packets, it's almost always bad cabling |
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| 18:38.34 | ILF_ | cheal: wtf, thanks :) |
| 18:39.08 | dbron | asuffield: ok, I know that you have a reliable opinion and appreciate it. I will not be as quick to discount auto in the future. Thanks for the help |
| 18:39.18 | wang | yang: hi |
| 18:39.20 | wang | =D |
| 18:39.21 | jade | Gmoliv, no, it wasn't. we thought it could handle the load, but it could not, and the website came to a stand still. |
| 18:39.23 | wang | MY BROTHER |
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| 18:39.44 | blondie | wang: YOUR MUM |
| 18:39.52 | wang | my mom's dead |
| 18:39.53 | wang | fucker |
| 18:39.54 | FallOnMe | Farris1: If you'll have millions of files, I strongly suggest making more than one RAID unit. |
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| 18:40.05 | TwistedEmotions | wang: and she still uses irc? |
| 18:40.09 | wang | haha |
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| 18:40.16 | TwistedEmotions | sorry bad joke ;) |
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| 18:40.23 | Gmoliv | hehe |
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| 18:40.35 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Hmm... This is kinda tricky. |
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| 18:41.04 | FallOnMe | Farris1: how come you don't have 8 disks? ;-) |
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| 18:41.34 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? A little advice? Can/Should I run a RAID system if I have 5 HD's but all different sizes? |
| 18:41.42 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Well, I do... But I can only fit 7 in the machine, unless I take out the OS drive and install to one of the RAID partitions :) |
| 18:41.45 | blondie | thanks |
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| 18:42.10 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. I mean 6 different drives... not 5 |
| 18:42.19 | FallOnMe | Farris1: Oh, so you don't have the system on a mirror? |
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| 18:42.41 | SchroedingersCat | yang, how long have you had this same problem and had to use the camera as root only? |
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| 18:43.05 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Not a true mirror... It's mirrored, but on two slices of the same drive, with nightly backups to a separate machine. Files on the system drive rarely change |
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| 18:43.17 | yang | SchroedingersCat: since i installed digikam in sarge |
| 18:43.27 | Bertram | !seen pere |
| 18:43.27 | dpkg | pere <i=foobar@diskless.uio.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 87d 8h 49m 23s ago, saying: 'omnibike: sorry, I am not a DNS guru. I'm not sure.'. |
| 18:43.37 | SchroedingersCat | yang, recently? |
| 18:44.01 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: But I'm considering moving the system to a drive on the RAID. Just not sure it would help much in this instance |
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| 18:44.07 | FallOnMe | Farris1: I have a similar machine with 8x250GB SATA, 2 are in RAID1, and the rest is RAID5 with one hot spare. |
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| 18:44.36 | FallOnMe | Farris1: that makes about 1.25GB of useful space though. |
| 18:44.45 | xst | I try to make an apt-get install libreadline-dev but is then told that the "sysvinit" package will be removed... This can't be healthy. What to do? |
| 18:45.04 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: dont you mean TB? |
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| 18:45.13 | FallOnMe | oh. yes. |
| 18:46.01 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: What separation of usage do you have for the RAID1 vs. the RAID5? |
| 18:46.06 | TwistedEmotions | was wondering if you had 8 250mb drives... was about to recommend you toss all and put in 2-3gig drives :) and mirror |
| 18:46.10 | cheal | xst: are you sure that such a package exists? |
| 18:46.21 | yang | SchroedingersCat: no i am using etch now, no digikam in etch, i am trying to port it |
| 18:46.50 | SchroedingersCat | ah |
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| 18:46.58 | xst | cheal: ...or libreadline5-dev... |
| 18:47.01 | Eulex | SchroedingersCat, do you live or do you not? :) |
| 18:47.05 | SchroedingersCat | well i'm guessing something must've broken things with an apt-get upgrade |
| 18:47.05 | xst | Same deal. :-( |
| 18:47.20 | SchroedingersCat | since it worked beautifully just a few weeks ago |
| 18:47.29 | xst | The thing is that it intent to remove sysvinit |
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| 18:48.17 | FallOnMe | Farris1: the mirror has a small system partition, and the rest is storage, both on the mirror and the large unit. |
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| 18:48.37 | cheal | xst: which release? |
| 18:48.53 | bluszcz | hello, what should I do to have a dvd icon after inserting this into the drive? |
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| 18:49.32 | Haukkari | Can 32-bit computers with more than one processor handle more than 4GB of RAM? |
| 18:49.46 | xst | cheal: Of what? Its an old debian unstable and sysvinit-2.84-186 |
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| 18:49.55 | FallOnMe | Farris1: it has a specific purpose, used as staging area for backups, so I don't have to worry a lot about multiple users, there's usually one reader and one writer. |
| 18:50.01 | TwistedEmotions | Haukkari: Depends on the MB I suppose... |
| 18:50.16 | eliteforce | ahm how can i make tar to use stdin and stdout instead of reading and writing from/to a file? |
| 18:50.28 | Haukkari | TwistedEmotions: I was under the impression that 32-bit kind of limits the amount of RAM to max 4GB |
| 18:50.28 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: I think I may actually do that: pop this other 300GB drive in, create a RAID1 from the first two, copy the system partition to it, then RAID5 the remaining drives with one spare |
| 18:50.28 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: yes. |
| 18:50.35 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: so it needs multiple processors? |
| 18:50.36 | xst | A solution would be to get the source for libreadline and compile it manually. But where do I find the source? Google gives no good clues. |
| 18:51.08 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: there are extensions to the x86 that handle that, smp is not needed. |
| 18:51.08 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: I'm just trying to do some research to see what would be most efficient and safest in my particular use... I'll be using it for NFS, with 50 users and about 50 machines |
| 18:51.17 | TwistedEmotions | Haukkari: is this for a server? |
| 18:51.19 | asiiii | hey dude's i've some problems with installing kylix, after the installation normally kylix is started with "startdelphi" or "startbcb" but there's nothing going on:) |
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| 18:51.25 | Haukkari | TwistedEmotions: no, just a general question... |
| 18:51.39 | asiiii | any idea? |
| 18:51.40 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: so does that give some kind of a performance hit or why is 64-bit needed at all? |
| 18:52.09 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: I have an older machine with a single RAID5 on it, with about 1.2TB total available. We've had some trouble with it in the past, and I might end up using it as a backup staging area, much like what you've described |
| 18:52.14 | FallOnMe | Haukkari: actually there is a perf.hit. And there's a 4GB limit to each process. |
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| 18:52.24 | Laibsch | !locale |
| 18:52.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 18:52.39 | cheal | xst: of debian. well, that's pretty old indeed. I don't have the tools to help you with software that old |
| 18:52.56 | Haukkari | FallOnMe: ok, thanks. :) |
| 18:53.02 | eliteforce | `xyz | tar -cO | zxy` doesnt work, it says "Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive" |
| 18:53.04 | xst | cheal: ok - thanks anyway |
| 18:53.19 | xst | cheal: Do you know where to find the source for libreadline? |
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| 18:53.24 | zcram | that is bullshit... i come from estonia and the estonian locales and translations are something that are totally beyond me |
| 18:53.43 | zcram | xst: readline is gnu |
| 18:53.44 | cheal | xst: readline5 source package in an APT repository |
| 18:53.58 | xst | ok thanks! |
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| 18:55.11 | Bushito | anyone here knows whats the most updated Linux distro in stable version? |
| 18:55.30 | TwistedEmotions | etch? |
| 18:55.53 | Bushito | is etch out?? |
| 18:55.57 | Bushito | (o_O) |
| 18:56.02 | TwistedEmotions | heh? |
| 18:56.07 | Bushito | xD |
| 18:56.08 | TwistedEmotions | isnt etch stable? |
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| 18:56.18 | Bushito | i saw it was sarge the last stable |
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| 18:56.23 | Bushito | (o_O) |
| 18:56.26 | TwistedEmotions | oh |
| 18:56.27 | TwistedEmotions | ok |
| 18:56.32 | TwistedEmotions | I only use sid ;) |
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| 18:56.39 | Bushito | Sid is meanie |
| 18:56.42 | cheal | Bushito: it's unlikely possible to answer that question. check distrowatch |
| 18:56.44 | Bushito | to many broken package |
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| 18:57.05 | FallOnMe | Farris1: I'm don't have much experience with multiple users over NFS. The only thing we handle like that is the mp3/divx storage. ;-) |
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| 18:57.11 | sifi | is there some way to grep the external interface? |
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| 18:57.20 | FallOnMe | Farris1: Don't send the RIAA! |
| 18:57.25 | slept | quitte_, are you there ? |
| 18:57.30 | eliteforce | how can i read from stdin and compress to stdout with tar??? |
| 18:57.39 | zcram | - |
| 18:57.40 | TwistedEmotions | Bushito: blasphemy... 95% of the time it works fine... the other 5%... just look it up on debian bug tracking system |
| 18:58.04 | cheal | Bushito: yeah, but if you're looking for a distro with more up-to-date software than debian stable, you probably want debian testing |
| 18:58.15 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: yeah, that's because 95% of the time you don't do upgrades, but just use it. |
| 18:58.23 | Bushito | Debian is 2 much trobel |
| 18:58.30 | Bushito | troubel* |
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| 18:58.31 | Rage_ | Is filterproxy crippled under debian so that it is not allowed to server to anyone other than localhost. nmap form local host sees 8888 open, other machine sees it as closed... Any ideas? |
| 18:58.32 | zcram | eliteforce: you can also make a fifo if you like |
| 18:58.37 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: I upgrade everyday ;) |
| 18:58.48 | xst | Ok, I found the source and compiled it successfully. How do I point a conventional configure/make/make install to the readline-dir? (There is no --with-readlin=[dir] option)? |
| 18:58.48 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: you poor thing. ;-) |
| 18:58.49 | Bushito | ill move from Debian it doesnt make what i want, work without getting an error =3 |
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| 18:59.08 | FallOnMe | Bushito: did you know... |
| 18:59.09 | Bushito | Twisted you gotta be outta your minds dude |
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| 18:59.37 | FallOnMe | Bushito: did you know... debian has a good deal of educational packages. Some might help you with your spelling. |
| 18:59.40 | Bushito | FallOnMe: yes? |
| 18:59.54 | Rage_ | I Have changed the option "local only" to 0. |
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| 18:59.59 | eliteforce | zcram: cmd1 | tar -cO | cmd2 doesnt work |
| 19:00.02 | TwistedEmotions | Bushito: I'm not saying you should run sid by any means... but I am saying it's not THAT tough. |
| 19:00.16 | Bushito | FallOnMe: lol english is not my native language =P, i learnt it over internet, so dont critic my spelling !! =P |
| 19:00.18 | eliteforce | zcram: "tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive" |
| 19:00.36 | TwistedEmotions | Bushito: AOL? |
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| 19:00.51 | Bushito | TwistedEmotions: AOL?? nope... |
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| 19:00.56 | bluszcz | hello, what should I do to have a dvd icon after inserting this into the drive? |
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| 19:01.01 | TwistedEmotions | Bushito: ;) Just kidding.. |
| 19:01.03 | cheal | Bushito: what do you mean by "error =3"? |
| 19:01.07 | FallOnMe | Bushito: I'm not a native speaker either, but that is no excuse. |
| 19:01.20 | Rage_ | bluszcz: mount /cdrom |
| 19:01.28 | Rage_ | bluszcz: cd /cdrom |
| 19:01.31 | Eulex | eliteforce, rtfm |
| 19:01.32 | TwistedEmotions | <==3 |
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| 19:01.37 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
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| 19:01.40 | Bushito | cheal, well reading NTFS, MOunting, updating =p |
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| 19:02.00 | eliteforce | eulex: what do you think i was doing the last 20 minutes :D |
| 19:02.11 | Bushito | i think i am too newb for debian, need more exp. with linux |
| 19:02.11 | FallOnMe | Bushito: sorry for that, speling flames never do any good. |
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| 19:02.22 | bluszcz | Rage_: on desktop |
| 19:02.30 | Bushito | Spelling*, Fall0me |
| 19:02.31 | sondre | er det noen norske her som kan gi meg eit svar på korleis man får takk i doom3 på linux...hvordan laster man ned det? |
| 19:02.38 | Eulex | !no |
| 19:02.38 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 19:02.41 | cheal | Bushito: all those things cause error =3? can you show how that error appears? |
| 19:02.43 | Eulex | umh |
| 19:02.53 | TwistedEmotions | Hmm... |
| 19:02.58 | sondre | jeg skriver kjempe sakte |
| 19:03.02 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone want to guess what language that is? |
| 19:03.10 | sondre | men er det noen som kan svare plz=) |
| 19:03.16 | yang | Why does etch want me to replace xserver-xfree86 with xorg ? |
| 19:03.19 | sondre | I now |
| 19:03.20 | Eulex | eliteforce, do you want you send data or filenames to tar |
| 19:03.21 | cheal | sondre: english channel... |
| 19:03.25 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, norwegian |
| 19:03.30 | phoenix_atlanti1 | Does anybody know how I can determine "limits" (like open file limit) of a running process? |
| 19:03.31 | sondre | that is norwegian |
| 19:03.33 | Eulex | and I'm not guessing |
| 19:03.36 | Bushito | Cheal, borken packages, Cannot Find the media, cannot emulate multiple sounds at same time, things like that |
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| 19:04.13 | sondre | anyways is that somebodey som can...plz....sey ho u can downlode doom3 to linux?? plz all mate |
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| 19:04.19 | cheal | Bushito: where does the error appear? |
| 19:04.23 | zcram | lmao |
| 19:04.27 | wang | haha |
| 19:04.33 | Bushito | yang, xorg is a little more better than xfree, and debian change from xfree 2 xorg thats why |
| 19:04.34 | sondre | ?? |
| 19:04.37 | zcram | d00m3 huh |
| 19:04.38 | wang | it took me like 6 tries to read that |
| 19:04.42 | zcram | roflmao |
| 19:04.46 | cheal | sondre: you can install it |
| 19:04.48 | Bushito | cheal, everywhere (O_o) |
| 19:04.57 | eliteforce | eulex: i just pass the stdout of cmd1 to bzip2 now, that works because bzip2 is smart enough to read form stdin :) |
| 19:05.00 | sondre | cheal: how? |
| 19:05.05 | TwistedEmotions | I think he's joking.. |
| 19:05.18 | yang | Bushito: but then xorg-config is different from XF86-Config |
| 19:05.19 | Eulex | sondre, there's no debian channel for norwegian. you'll have to speak english. and by that I mean proper english. or maybe try to make yourself understood in #debian.se |
| 19:05.20 | cheal | Bushito: I don't understand what you're talking about |
| 19:05.37 | cheal | sondre: download the linux installer and use it with your doom 3 DVD |
| 19:05.39 | mfrisch | I am trying to find the headers and source debs for 2.6.14-2 I tried looking around am I looking in the wroung place. I only found the 2.4 packages. |
| 19:05.42 | Bushito | yang, it is the same thing they are very related xorg uses xfree configs |
| 19:05.44 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, I don't think so. He said the same thing in norwegian before. (/me is swedish) |
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| 19:05.53 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: Ohhh.. |
| 19:06.05 | cheal | mfrisch: linux-headers-2.6.14-2-something |
| 19:06.23 | Bushito | Cheal, okey here it goes when i try to open a program it says cannot load the blah blah, some files needed |
| 19:06.57 | Bushito | when i try to get em they get some dependency errors |
| 19:06.58 | Bushito | and the files it needs get anothers dependency errors |
| 19:06.58 | cheal | mfrisch: s/headers/source and s/-2-something// for source |
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| 19:07.03 | k3ninho | mfrisch: unstable and testing should have linux-source-2.6.14-2 |
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| 19:07.04 | TwistedEmotions | sondre: apt-get install xwine && man xwine |
| 19:07.17 | FallOnMe | wtf xwine? |
| 19:07.32 | sondre | I'm back;) |
| 19:07.33 | cheal | Bushito: I admit that blah blah isn't an helpful error |
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| 19:07.42 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: windows emulator? |
| 19:08.06 | TwistedEmotions | although I just read what cheal said.. I didnt know they supported linux |
| 19:08.08 | cheal | k3ninho: note that there's no -2 for source |
| 19:08.13 | sondre | is that maney here some like to look at dvds? I have seen mabey 561 dvds in my life |
| 19:08.14 | mfrisch | cheal k3ninho OK THANKS am looking righht now :-) |
| 19:08.14 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: I know (and even use) Wine, I just didn't know there was such thing as xwine. |
| 19:08.15 | Bushito | cheal, well i dont remember very clearly xD, cause i got tired and moved to windows again, but windows does not swit me, i wanna learn linux |
| 19:08.28 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: Sure is ;) |
| 19:08.43 | k3ninho | cheal: ta. |
| 19:08.47 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: Wine is for X by default, innit. ;-) |
| 19:08.52 | TwistedEmotions | xwine - graphical user interface for the WINE emulator |
| 19:09.14 | Bushito | that supports direct X =p |
| 19:09.18 | cheal | Bushito: and why do you think you need the most up-to-date distribution to learn Linux? |
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| 19:09.24 | sondre | can u play like css on linux? |
| 19:09.37 | Spec | you can play ut2k4, and postal2 |
| 19:09.39 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: haha, no I won't. Not that I have a couple of 1.2TB arrays at home with a bunch of TV shows/music on them or anything ;) |
| 19:09.45 | TwistedEmotions | sondre: counter strike? |
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| 19:09.54 | TwistedEmotions | what is css? |
| 19:10.03 | Spec | ... |
| 19:10.06 | Spec | cascading style sheets |
| 19:10.09 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: some game. |
| 19:10.09 | sondre | no....conter strike |
| 19:10.13 | Bushito | Cheal, lol well i dont really need it, but it is unconftable, when i try to fix the Sound emulation problem and i cannot repair i always get the error message "Device is Busy" |
| 19:10.21 | sondre | srry...yes |
| 19:10.21 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: my guess Counter Strike Something |
| 19:10.25 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: I just noticed in NFS's performance docs that RAID5 is "lousy" for write speeds. |
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| 19:10.40 | cheal | Bushito: that's probably easily fixable |
| 19:10.42 | Bushito | Chealm or when i try to update some files to install some i need, and get "Dependency errors" |
| 19:10.50 | TwistedEmotions | sondre: yes.. you can play counter strike on debian... |
| 19:10.53 | sondre | how can u play conter strike on linux? |
| 19:11.01 | zcram | sondre: wine? |
| 19:11.07 | mfrisch | Did they change the naming scheme for kernels? |
| 19:11.07 | cheal | Bushito: it's not clear what you mean |
| 19:11.08 | Bushito | Sondre, Cedega |
| 19:11.18 | cheal | !tell mfrisch about 2.6.12 |
| 19:11.18 | wang | wait'll ya see my *ow* |
| 19:11.20 | wang | oops |
| 19:11.21 | zcram | cedega is wine actually |
| 19:11.25 | FallOnMe | Farris1: raid5 has lousy write performance always, but a good controller with lots of memory helps. |
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| 19:11.30 | sondre | my dade sey then u have linux u son't can play windose game |
| 19:11.32 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 19:11.32 | zcram | i know i've played counter-strike |
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| 19:11.39 | gigabytes | what about kde 3.5 in debian? |
| 19:11.44 | deadcat | why am i still getting that apt secure error about us.debian.org? i ran the commands required already. |
| 19:11.45 | cheal | gigabytes: #debian-kde |
| 19:11.48 | yang | so xorg replaces xfree86 in any case? |
| 19:11.48 | wang | gigabytes : good question |
| 19:11.49 | sondre | *don't |
| 19:11.51 | zcram | sondre: well, your father is wrong |
| 19:11.55 | mfrisch | THANKS ALL!! |
| 19:12.00 | sondre | good |
| 19:12.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: because debian doesn't like you. |
| 19:12.05 | cheal | deadcat: which source exacly? |
| 19:12.05 | sondre | np |
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| 19:12.18 | cheal | yang: starting from Etch, yes |
| 19:12.18 | sondre | np??? hvae I do somethings? |
| 19:12.28 | sondre | no |
| 19:12.34 | sondre | srry boys and girls |
| 19:12.38 | wang | lol |
| 19:12.39 | Bushito | cheal, mmm like i tried to install dont remember what program, but it asked me for xorg 11 something like that dont remember well, and i need to upgrade from xfree to xorg 11 and when i tried it downloaded some components from a unstable version and it got dependency errors when installing |
| 19:12.47 | zcram | sondre: but if you are going to stick with linux you better ought to learn better english |
| 19:13.04 | wang | or hire a translator |
| 19:13.06 | deadcat | cheal: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 19:13.11 | zcram | or that even |
| 19:13.17 | cheal | Bushito: which program was that? |
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| 19:13.22 | sondre | I'm a boy from norwegian and are 12 ear old |
| 19:13.32 | wang | impressive |
| 19:13.36 | sondre | I'm sucks in english=S |
| 19:13.42 | wang | we noticed |
| 19:13.43 | wang | it's ok |
| 19:13.45 | sondre | but I don't cear |
| 19:13.50 | sondre | good dude |
| 19:13.53 | wang | =)( |
| 19:13.55 | deadcat | !enter |
| 19:13.55 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 19:13.56 | sondre | lol |
| 19:14.25 | nixie | any norwegians that can translate that for our little friend?:) |
| 19:14.33 | TwistedEmotions | sondre: all games... check out http://www.winehq.com/ |
| 19:14.33 | sondre | I look at a good movie to day....(meet the fockers) it's pritey good=) |
| 19:14.40 | wang | bork de bork bork! |
| 19:14.45 | wang | oh that's sweden |
| 19:15.04 | sondre | ty twistedEmotions=)=)=) |
| 19:15.26 | zcram | right! |
| 19:15.29 | deadcat | cheal: so whats up? |
| 19:15.39 | orion666 | !boo |
| 19:15.45 | Eulex | wang, >:( |
| 19:15.51 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: heh, have you actually tried playing any of those, or is Wine actually that better then a year or two ago? |
| 19:15.56 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Actually, now I'm thinking that maybe I should take the capacity hit and just raid10 the whole thing |
| 19:15.57 | wang | sorry |
| 19:16.04 | orion666 | how to bring dpkg to life? |
| 19:16.05 | cheal | deadcat: sorry, I had forgotten you. can you paste apt-get update's output? |
| 19:16.06 | sondre | yo to all norske and svenska and dansker |
| 19:16.14 | wang | how about Chinese? |
| 19:16.22 | pure2 | orion666 cpr |
| 19:16.23 | k3ninho | FallOnMe: Wine has versioned to 0.9 and is considering a beta. |
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| 19:16.32 | FallOnMe | Farris1: That was my first idea, at least you'll have some performance. |
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| 19:16.35 | sondre | is that someone here .....like play runescape? that game realy suges |
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| 19:17.05 | wang | yo is American as apple pie |
| 19:17.14 | thorie_ | hello guys - how do i set up my network so that i only allow a certain subnet to access a certain port on my DEbian box? |
| 19:17.18 | sondre | lol |
| 19:17.18 | FallOnMe | Farris1: 6 disks for raid10 and a hot spare, just hope that no two disks will fail at the same time. ;-) |
| 19:17.29 | deadcat | cheal: deadcat.freeshell.org/apt |
| 19:17.32 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Given the same hardware, is RAID10 going to show marked performance increase in R & W over RAID5? |
| 19:17.35 | sondre | americen pie is a cool movie |
| 19:17.48 | sondre | I like them verey good |
| 19:17.49 | FallOnMe | Farris1: I think definitely yes. |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | thorie_: iptables .. #iptables , netfilter.org , lartc.org |
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| 19:17.57 | k3ninho | sondre: not a patch on 'there's something about mary' |
| 19:18.00 | zcram | FallOnMe: i played counter-strike with stock wine about 2 years ago |
| 19:18.13 | zcram | it was not bad at all |
| 19:18.18 | FallOnMe | Farris1: write will be much better. |
| 19:18.38 | wang | american pie > something about mary |
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| 19:18.59 | thingfish | *plonk* |
| 19:19.10 | OpenSores | *plank* |
| 19:19.12 | FallOnMe | I like pie |
| 19:19.13 | FallOnMe | !pie |
| 19:19.13 | dpkg | methinks pie is NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
| 19:19.16 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: With RAID 10 you only get n/2 total capacity, right? |
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| 19:19.31 | deadcat | cheal: same file. refresh to see the apt-key list |
| 19:19.50 | FallOnMe | Farris1: I think so. But I always mx up 10 and 0+1, let me check (on Google ;-) |
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| 19:20.02 | cheal | deadcat: that was your apt-get *update* output?? |
| 19:20.08 | deadcat | oh |
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| 19:20.35 | deadcat | same file |
| 19:21.13 | VITIHO | Hi all, where can I find radius testing tools? in which package? |
| 19:21.35 | deadcat | VITIHO: apt-cache search radius |
| 19:21.42 | sondre | bye bye all my friends=) toks late;) |
| 19:21.51 | deadcat | not your friend |
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| 19:22.17 | abrotman | VITIHO: apt-cache search radius |
| 19:22.25 | cheal | deadcat: and dist-upgrade's output doesn't change after an update, right? |
| 19:22.46 | VITIHO | yes i know, which one would you use? |
| 19:22.54 | deadcat | cheal: nope. i always update && upgrade |
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| 19:23.03 | deadcat | VITIHO: the 2nd one |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | deadcat: clearly the fourth |
| 19:23.36 | deadcat | abrotman: i usually use the 2nd one (= |
| 19:24.29 | cheal | deadcat: I don't see. maybe google the "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
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| 19:24.42 | deadcat | k |
| 19:24.46 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | methinks apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 19:25.03 | deadcat | abrotman: i did. deadcat.freeshell.org/apt |
| 19:25.07 | deadcat | ^^ outputs |
| 19:25.10 | FallOnMe | Farris1: So you'll get 900GB effective with 2100GB of raw space, you can keep the 7th disk as a hot spare. Looks clean enough. |
| 19:25.22 | orion666 | "synaptic: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but 2.6.10-2 is to be installed." there is no libgtk 2.8.0 available at all:/ |
| 19:25.37 | cheal | orion666: which release? |
| 19:25.56 | orion666 | what release? |
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| 19:26.08 | cheal | orion666: which Debian release do you run? |
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| 19:26.38 | orion666 | Linux orion666 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 19:26.51 | orion666 | sid |
| 19:26.58 | cheal | !btssmite orion666 |
| 19:27.02 | deadcat | abrotman: i ran those commands already |
| 19:27.02 | FallOnMe | don't dis sid |
| 19:27.05 | abrotman | deadcat: apt-cache policy gcc-3.4 |
| 19:27.16 | abrotman | deadcat: what's the URL it wants to pull from ? |
| 19:27.36 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.46 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: I'm just not certain the performance would be worth the huge hit on capacity. Wish I had time to do benchmarks using our actual tools |
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| 19:29.33 | FallOnMe | Farris1: You can always make the huge RAID5 and wait if anyone complains about the speed. Depends on the users, if they'll mostly do reads, I think it should work. Do they really need 1.8TB? |
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| 19:29.42 | [Bart] | hi. I`m using apache reversed proxy. But when I open that page. it forwards the users to the host set in the conf file ( so without reversed proxy). Anybody who knows what can be the problem? |
| 19:30.00 | abrotman | deadcat: you stumped me .. but i don't really have the GPG thing figured out for apt |
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| 19:30.31 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. apt secure is a really stupid idea |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | not stupid .. it's just .. not functional :) |
| 19:30.47 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:30.52 | the_empty | how do I enable pipes in /etc/aliases for exim4? |
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| 19:30.58 | abrotman | #exim ? |
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| 19:31.28 | the_empty | abrotman, as far as I can tell its a debconf thing |
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| 19:31.46 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Honestly, we could use 3 or 4 TB at this point. We have a constant struggle with disk usage. We're a chip design company, so we crap out a huge amount of data on a daily basis. |
| 19:31.51 | abrotman | the_empty: how so ? |
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| 19:32.31 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: So we write a lot, we read a lot, and we need to do both fast. The toughest part is figuring out priorities there. In a perfect world, I'd have a shitload of money and just buy enough disks to do everything RAID10. But I have next to no budget :) |
| 19:33.09 | orion666 | cheal, thanks, the oficial bug it is ;) |
| 19:33.25 | abrotman | raid10 is expensive disk wise |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | or rather .. dollar/disk wise |
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| 19:34.40 | FallOnMe | Farris1: then go with RAID5 and complain to the powers-that-be when it gets too slow. |
| 19:35.05 | the_empty | abrotman, it's disabled by def but only in the deb package |
| 19:35.07 | yang2 | I have troubles starting X now, looks like my previous config from xfree86 doesnt work in xorg |
| 19:35.09 | Bob332 | anyone have issues using debian on HP Prolient Servers, DL models |
| 19:35.10 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: If I were just some grunt, I wouldn't mind being so cynical... But I'm an owner here, and I sincerely want to do things the right way :) |
| 19:35.39 | [Bart] | Bob332 : a few months ago I had some problems, but not anymore |
| 19:35.45 | abrotman | the_empty: dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config |
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| 19:36.14 | Bob332 | [Bart], what sorts of problems....i want to scrap my dell 1850 for an HP, but need support for RAID |
| 19:36.32 | abrotman | dell sucks! |
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| 19:36.51 | [Bart] | Bob332 : could recognize the dl380 g4 controller, but the latest sarge supports them |
| 19:36.55 | the_empty | abrotman, not in those, oh well I will dive back in to the docs |
| 19:37.10 | ahkin | dell really sucks.. i've problem and i call to thier call center , he tell me a lot cock things.. |
| 19:37.15 | abrotman | Farris1: if you're on a budget .. you do what oyu can .. RAID5 is a fairly cheap way to go .. only one 'lost' drive .. and the speed is ok too |
| 19:37.16 | Bob332 | abrotman, i am learning that...oh my gosh...taking me forever to get a working 2.6 kernel on that piece |
| 19:37.23 | abrotman | Bob332: dell sucks |
| 19:37.38 | abrotman | the_empty: if you ask them .. they may know the config option |
| 19:37.41 | abrotman | err them == #exim |
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| 19:38.06 | bassMonk1y | I've managed to get autologin with putty to my server, is there any way to get autoconnect? (not really debian-related, I know...) |
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| 19:38.20 | FallOnMe | Farris1: It's a tough call, then. |
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| 19:39.03 | _Roey | HI |
| 19:39.15 | _Roey | Can anyone help me with this make-kpkg issue please? http://rafb.net/paste/results/hQXGLz60.html |
| 19:39.15 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonk1y: What do you mean autoconnect? |
| 19:39.21 | _Roey | abrotman: heya |
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| 19:39.38 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonk1y: just double click on putty then double click on the save setting. |
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| 19:40.23 | abrotman | _Roey: wtf is that ? |
| 19:40.25 | bassMonk1y | TwistedEmotions: I know, but I'd like to skip double-clicking the saved session after starting putty... |
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| 19:40.47 | abrotman | bassMonkey: skip what step? |
| 19:41.16 | yang2 | does nvidia driver breaks with every new kernel installation (it requires rebuild) ? |
| 19:41.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:41.26 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Indeed. :) |
| 19:41.33 | abrotman | yang2: you can thank nvidia for making crappy closed drivers |
| 19:42.11 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonkey: I dont think so.. |
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| 19:42.32 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonkey: is there some reason why you cant double click? |
| 19:42.50 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonkey: Is this so you can do it all through terminal or something? |
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| 19:43.19 | bassMonkey | TwistedEmotions: I currently have no mouse on my windows box =) |
| 19:43.19 | andihit | i want to make a init.d-script for my program, copied the skeleton and modified it - and have a question ;) - as which user is the program started? |
| 19:43.31 | sonyman | Can anyone help me get my MX700 fully working in Debian Etch? |
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| 19:43.47 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonkey: Ohhh... Hmm... I totally didn't anticipate that.. |
| 19:43.59 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonkey: Use a terminal based ssh program? |
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| 19:44.12 | TwistedEmotions | bassMonkey: and scrap putty? |
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| 19:44.21 | FallOnMe | bassMonkey: |
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| 19:44.25 | FallOnMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.25 | FallOnMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.26 | FallOnMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.26 | FallOnMe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.33 | Farris1 | abrotman & FallOnMe: Y'know, since this is hardware RAID and not software/fakeraid, I'm going to go with RAID5, since it'll still be quicker than software RAID5 and won't eat up more than half my capacity like R10 |
| 19:44.44 | TwistedEmotions | !tell FallOnMe about paste |
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| 19:45.02 | TwistedEmotions | FallOnMe: that option is for putty? |
| 19:45.05 | evilmegaman | hi, I am having trouble with Damn small linux which is semi related to this distro so I am going to ask here. I can't get my network card detected and need to know what module to use to enable my NIC |
| 19:45.09 | abrotman | bassMonkey: ctrl+esc -> run -> putty "hostname" |
| 19:45.14 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: yeah, its TFM. |
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| 19:45.15 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 19:45.16 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:45.24 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: putty is in Debian. ;-) |
| 19:45.25 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh... didn't know ;) |
| 19:45.32 | TwistedEmotions | really? |
| 19:45.39 | evilmegaman | yes I have done that resiak |
| 19:45.42 | evilmegaman | :) |
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| 19:45.50 | TwistedEmotions | oh... but why would anyone use putty in debian? |
| 19:45.56 | TwistedEmotions | just ssh right? |
| 19:46.05 | abrotman | Farris1: yes .. RAID10 uses a lot of disk .. if you really end up with performance problems .. (might be a network issue though) .. you can go to RAID10 |
| 19:46.14 | TwistedEmotions | oh for ftp and all the other features? |
| 19:46.15 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: nice gui ? |
| 19:46.18 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: changing forwards on the fly, for example. |
| 19:46.27 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh.. kk. |
| 19:46.30 | evilmegaman | my main question is what module should I enable to get the intel PRO 1000 PM working? |
| 19:46.31 | TwistedEmotions | never thought of it. |
| 19:46.45 | bassMonkey | abrotman: |
| 19:46.49 | resiak | evilmegaman: e100? Have you tried Google? |
| 19:47.03 | evilmegaman | yes resiak |
| 19:47.04 | bassMonkey | abrotman: -load was exactly what I was looking for, Thanks! |
| 19:47.16 | bassMonkey | abrotman: works like a charm |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | evilmegaman: tried e1000 ? |
| 19:47.42 | FallOnMe | TwistedEmotions: not really much use under *nix, I agree. |
| 19:47.54 | evilmegaman | e1000 seems to be what it is. But when I modprobe it. It says it gets an insmod error |
| 19:48.03 | jake1932 | trying to install apache using apt-get install apache2. doesn't start - no errors though. can i force it to restart the install reloading all dependencies? |
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| 19:48.22 | resiak | evilmegaman: "intel pro 1000 module linux" got me two potential answers as the first two hits. |
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| 19:48.32 | evilmegaman | ok cool :) |
| 19:48.40 | evilmegaman | I never used the word module |
| 19:48.53 | bucky | modprobe e1000 |
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| 19:49.06 | FallOnMe | Farris1: Don't forget the hot spare. ;-) |
| 19:49.08 | resiak | evilmegaman: ...you'le looking for a module name... |
| 19:49.11 | yang2 | abrotman: i can see a package nvidia-kernel-2.6.8 , but i dont see any version for 2.6.12 |
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| 19:49.45 | valdyn | Farris1: that controller supports raid6? |
| 19:49.57 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Yeah, and I think I'm going to leave the 8th drive out. I'll have one hot spare, and one spare in my closet :) |
| 19:50.00 | evilmegaman | bucky, I did modprobe e1000, And I get insmod errors |
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| 19:50.24 | bucky | evilmegaman: do you even have the driver on the hard drive? |
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| 19:50.28 | veleno | hello. for some reason, today xorg decided not to work anymore, (now i'm using a shell-based irc client). i have an NVIDIA video card, using latest version for kernel drivers (7676-something). xorg.conf is properly configured. where should I check for problems? |
| 19:50.42 | misieq | is there any package with bash-completion on debian? |
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| 19:50.54 | evilmegaman | Hmmm... I think so. I can't download it since I don't have net |
| 19:50.55 | valdyn | veleno: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:51.12 | Nwallins | i am trying to get mod_perl2 working.. after apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 and restarting apache, my browser still tries to download .pl files. mod_perl2 is appropriately symlinked in mods-enabled |
| 19:51.21 | _Roey | abrotman: dunno?? :) |
| 19:51.25 | resiak | misieq: vim /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:51.28 | Farris1 | valdyn: Raid 6 is a joke |
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| 19:51.36 | chealer | veleno, how did you install the NVIDIA drivers? |
| 19:51.41 | adeeb | i am adeeb |
| 19:51.43 | valdyn | Farris1: uh, how so? |
| 19:51.44 | _Roey | Farris1: heh |
| 19:52.07 | veleno | valdyn i looked there, the first EE line reports: "NVIDIA(0): Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module!" |
| 19:52.29 | misieq | resiak, whoa... i haven't even thought it was already here :) thanks a lot |
| 19:52.32 | valdyn | veleno: what does 'modprobe nvidia' say? |
| 19:52.35 | veleno | chealer using the .run file. i also uninstalled it, and installed once again from scratch. |
| 19:52.47 | FallOnMe | Farris1: actually, where I work we had two occasions where a disk in RAID5 failed, them migration started, and then another one failed 5 minutes later. |
| 19:52.58 | Eulex | evilmegaman, lspci... |
| 19:52.58 | resiak | misieq: No problem. |
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| 19:53.20 | Farris1 | valdyn: RAID 6 is too slow, and too paranoid for our setting |
| 19:53.24 | veleno | valdyn ACPI: somestuff ; NRVM: somestuff |
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| 19:53.34 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Yeah, shit happens. That's what backups are for :) |
| 19:53.38 | roob | Can anyone help me? I'm a little desperate. What's the easiest way to setup postfix to allow me to use it as a outgoing mail server in my mail program? postfix-sasl? I got pop3 setup alredy, all I still need is set postfix up as an outgoing mail server.. |
| 19:53.41 | Farris1 | FallOnMe: Nightly, at that |
| 19:53.45 | chealer | !tell veleno about nvidia-installer |
| 19:53.46 | evilmegaman | thanks Eulex |
| 19:53.51 | valdyn | Farris1: i see, i havent used it, just reads should actually be faster on raid6 |
| 19:53.57 | evilmegaman | I will give it a try |
| 19:53.59 | deadcat | anyone using fuse? i dont have /dev/fuse and its bitching about it |
| 19:54.21 | Eulex | evilmegaman, it will show you what hardware you have... |
| 19:54.34 | Farris1 | valdyn: Yes, in certain circumstances. But writes are just as important as reads to us |
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| 19:55.11 | evilmegaman | I know. |
| 19:55.14 | bucky | deadcat: i had that problem |
| 19:55.20 | deadcat | bucky: what do we do? |
| 19:55.45 | bucky | deadcat: the new fuse depends on udev... but i found a patch to get around that |
| 19:55.49 | valdyn | veleno: so that module gets actually loaded? |
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| 19:56.05 | deadcat | bucky: ah. seems like everything is moving to udev eh? |
| 19:56.32 | bucky | i didn't want to so i used the patch |
| 19:56.43 | deadcat | i mean should i look into udev myself? or i am falling behind on this technology shit? |
| 19:56.51 | deadcat | bucky: show me the patch (= |
| 19:57.08 | valdyn | veleno: i need the version strings for your nvidia-glx and your nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 19:57.16 | FallOnMe | O mighty dpkg, is udev the way of the future? |
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| 19:57.17 | liran_ | hey deadcat, valdyn |
| 19:57.25 | FallOnMe | dpkg, tell me about udev |
| 19:57.25 | valdyn | veleno: dpkg -l nvidia-glx; dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 19:57.31 | bucky | deadcat: http://tinyurl.com/ab5q5 |
| 19:57.34 | deadcat | k |
| 19:57.39 | gianluca | hi all |
| 19:58.11 | bucky | deadcat: i used that on fuse-2.4.0.tar.gz |
| 19:58.15 | Nwallins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev |
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| 19:58.36 | valdyn | veleno: nm, if you used the nvidia installer then this will obviously be fucked after an X upgrade |
| 19:58.40 | abrotman | _Roey: how did you do that ? |
| 19:58.45 | gianluca | I have a problem: I set on fstab this " /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 " but i can access only from root what i must change? |
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| 19:59.12 | abrotman | need umask and gid i think |
| 19:59.22 | gianluca | how? |
| 19:59.35 | tr1gg3r | gianluca, set uid= and gid= in fstab |
| 19:59.37 | abrotman | man mount ? man fstab ? |
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| 19:59.51 | lekvar | Can anyone suggest a reason why installing linux-kernel-2.6-386 in place of a 2.4 kernel might NOT cause an automatic update to the grub configuration? |
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| 20:00.00 | veleno | valdyn don't know why but now X startd... |
| 20:00.06 | bl3ssing | how can I install the epic5.-~tar.bz? :-( |
| 20:00.07 | valdyn | though this might fuck up whatever permission / acl he has on windows |
| 20:00.15 | gianluca | ok |
| 20:00.18 | gianluca | thx |
| 20:00.30 | deadcat | bucky: am i patching this on the debian fuse source or the tarball? |
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| 20:00.36 | takatumi | gianluca: try /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | lekvar: does /etc/lilo.conf exist ? |
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| 20:00.47 | roob | Is there any easier way to use postfix as an outgoing mailserver but postfix-tls? For example, how do i activate POP before SMTP? |
| 20:00.56 | valdyn | veleno: you shouldnt ever have used the nvidia installer, use its uninstall feature, reinstall xlibmesa-gl ( iirc ), and use the debian way to install nvidia drivers |
| 20:01.03 | lekvar | abrotman: Yes, but the system boots with grub. |
| 20:01.05 | flo | nabend |
| 20:01.05 | sphenxes | How often come new stable Debian version? i hate this 6 monthes new version from SuSE&co. |
| 20:01.09 | mjk64 | Anyone uses LVM2 snapshots in Debian and can tell me about their reliability? |
| 20:01.17 | blondie | roob: how is pop before smtp easier -- pop is evil as it is |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | lekvar: yeah .. the script is stupid .. it doesn't check to see which you use .. it just changes lilo.conf .. and continues .. |
| 20:01.39 | abrotman | lekvar: mv /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.dontuse |
| 20:01.52 | abrotman | lekvar: at least .. that was my experience |
| 20:01.54 | lekvar | abrotman: then dpkg-reconfigure the kernel |
| 20:01.59 | Nwallins | i installed libapache2-mod-perl2 and restarted apache. what else do i need to do to get apache to interpret .pl files rather than offer them for download? |
| 20:02.01 | jake1932 | how can i force apt-get to start a failed install (apt-get doesn't know it failed) |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | lekvar: probably just reinstall it |
| 20:02.05 | deadcat | bucky: got it |
| 20:02.07 | valdyn | veleno: nm, if things work.. leave it, but you just might want to add nvidia to /etc/modules |
| 20:02.12 | lekvar | abrotman: it showed no signs of updating lilo either |
| 20:02.20 | bucky | deadcat: I had bad luck trying to make it work as a deb... here's my adventures with it using ruby fusefs.rb ftp://dino.dyn-o-saur.com/fuse/README |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | lekvar: it sohuld .. |
| 20:02.23 | tr1gg3r | Nwallins, edit apache config |
| 20:02.28 | kjm | jake1932 : try dpkg -reconfigure : then apt-get -f install <foo> |
| 20:02.33 | bl3ssing | how can I install the epic5.-~tar.bz? :-( |
| 20:02.34 | lekvar | hrm... ill try what you're saying and see |
| 20:02.38 | gianluca | where i can find grub.conf? |
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| 20:02.58 | Nwallins | tr1gg3r: ok, I thought the .deb does that |
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| 20:03.09 | mjk64 | gianluca: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:03.10 | takatumi | gianluca: instead look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:03.15 | valdyn | bl3ssing: what's wrong with the epic4 from debian? |
| 20:03.15 | abrotman | gianluca: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:03.32 | lekvar | abrotman: this'll take a few... i'm on a thinkpad 760e :) |
| 20:03.35 | roob | blondie: Is it? I just wish it was possible to login to the SMTP server using unix accounts, SASL adds another authentication map file.. (/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd). Or am I mistaken? |
| 20:03.35 | gianluca | ok thx |
| 20:03.36 | tr1gg3r | Nwallins, i dont think so, but it is easy enough to check |
| 20:03.41 | bizkit | is there anything i can look for especially when buying a brandnew laptop that i want to use with debian? perhaps a certain processor? or is it all up to the linux kernel? |
| 20:03.47 | smagy2 | hello folks, if i wanted to write an utility that would interact with the scsi driver aic79xx, where should i start reading. suggestions/recommendations are welcome. |
| 20:03.49 | bucky | Nwallins: which directory are you running the .pl file from? |
| 20:03.55 | abrotman | lekvar: do you want me to take all 32MB of your ram? :) |
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| 20:04.10 | lekvar | abrotman: oh contraire - I have 64 megs of ram! |
| 20:04.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:04.20 | lekvar | and a very large swap partitin *laugh* |
| 20:04.27 | smagy2 | my goal is simple. to be able to set the transfer rates |
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| 20:04.29 | valdyn | bizkit: the processor is about the only thing that doesnt matter compatibility - wise |
| 20:04.35 | lekvar | and a semi-busted 'o' key |
| 20:05.12 | takatumi | bizkit: tuxmobil.org might help |
| 20:05.18 | abrotman | smagy2: you want to futz with the driver ? |
| 20:05.31 | lekvar | okey i moved the lilo conf and --reinstall installed the linux-image and it didnt say a thing abut lilo or grub... the previous owner may have set things up to be a bit more "manual" than usual |
| 20:05.33 | deadcat | bucky: am i patching the fuse-2.4.*.tar.gz or fuse-source*.deb? |
| 20:05.42 | Nwallins | bucky: /var/www has a symlink to a file in my user's homedir |
| 20:05.42 | lekvar | abrotman: heck you probably know the guy |
| 20:06.12 | Nwallins | looking at php4.conf vs perl.conf in mods-available, perl.conf doesn't have any AddType directives |
| 20:06.15 | smagy2 | abrotman: not really. all i wanna do is change the transfers rate on fly. so i am looking for the api i guess |
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| 20:06.31 | smagy2 | abrotman: me clueless where to start |
| 20:06.34 | SimonRaven | lekvar: fyi, it's 'au contraire' |
| 20:06.39 | lekvar | SimonRaven: thank you |
| 20:06.41 | bucky | deadcat: i patched fuse-2.4.0.tar.gz |
| 20:06.43 | valdyn | smagy2: have you looked into sdparm |
| 20:06.46 | deadcat | bucky: k |
| 20:06.49 | SimonRaven | np |
| 20:06.51 | smagy2 | valdyn: nope |
| 20:07.05 | gianluca | /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs users,user <---- it's ok for windows partition? |
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| 20:07.16 | gq_gunhed | hi all |
| 20:07.19 | smagy2 | valdyn: will look into it thanks |
| 20:07.33 | blondie | roob: dunno I use exim |
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| 20:07.40 | Nwallins | apt-cache search sdparm -- no results |
| 20:07.52 | SimonRaven | it exists |
| 20:07.59 | valdyn | !info sdparm |
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| 20:08.01 | valdyn | !info sdparm sarge |
| 20:08.08 | lekvar | It wouldn't be "grubconf" that I'm lacking here perhaps? |
| 20:08.10 | deadcat | bucky: damn its looking for the debian dir |diff -urd fuse-2.4.0/debian/fuse-utils.postinst |
| 20:08.13 | SimonRaven | Description: Output and modify SCSI device parameters |
| 20:08.15 | roob | blondie: ok, no problem |
| 20:08.20 | InnerFIRE | hello |
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| 20:08.25 | SimonRaven | i'[m on sid though, might not be in sarge |
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| 20:08.33 | valdyn | !test |
| 20:08.33 | dpkg | No, valdyn, you're not online any more. |
| 20:08.35 | Nwallins | yeah, guess not (sarge here) |
| 20:08.38 | mjk64 | gianluca: If you keep in mind, that NTFS write support is limited, yes. |
| 20:08.40 | bucky | Nwallins: you need to tell apache2 to make that dir executable and maybe a FollowSymlink would work but not a good idea |
| 20:08.48 | InnerFIRE | does anyone know how to add system users from a debian package ? |
| 20:08.58 | caphuso | InnerFIRE: man adduser |
| 20:08.59 | Nwallins | bucky: so no AddType directives are nec? |
| 20:09.02 | bucky | deadcat: oops sorry i did use the deb stuff |
| 20:09.14 | deadcat | k |
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| 20:09.16 | jake1932 | kjm: dpkg give the error "conflicting actions --control and --remove" |
| 20:09.19 | InnerFIRE | caphuso: no go on that the debian package system seems to clean up /etc/passwd |
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| 20:09.37 | InnerFIRE | caphuso: I need to know how to get it not to do that |
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| 20:10.10 | bucky | deadcat: get all that .dsc file and crap and build it.. but it got pissed when i tried to use it as a deb so i just did make install to /usr/local YMMV |
| 20:10.14 | InnerFIRE | list #debian* |
| 20:10.22 | caphuso | InnerFIRE: now you got me confused... what's your actual question again? |
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| 20:10.49 | InnerFIRE | caphuso: I'm maintianing a package |
| 20:10.49 | soymilk | stew: ? |
| 20:10.56 | InnerFIRE | and the daemons need to run as a certain user |
| 20:11.01 | deadcat | bucky: i am having problem patching. what dir do you run the patch command? i tried all dirs |
| 20:11.08 | FallOnMe | InnerFIRE: and the uid is < 100? |
| 20:11.13 | InnerFIRE | FallOnMe: yes |
| 20:11.24 | abrotman | lekvar: i know him ? |
| 20:11.30 | FallOnMe | InnerFIRE: don't do that, use uids between 100 and 200. |
| 20:11.33 | abrotman | smagy2: #kernel ? |
| 20:11.44 | soymilk | anyone else know how to handle a doc/ directory with a seperate Makefile in a source tree for debian/rules for dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 20:11.57 | lekvar | abrotman: maybe... devin caroway? he's a DD |
| 20:12.09 | InnerFIRE | FallOnMe: so not adduser --system ? |
| 20:12.29 | Nwallins | bucky: to allow users to freely edit / add files in the DocRoot -- make a www-users group and chgrp / chmod 775 /var/www ? would that be better than having root create symlinks to home dir files? |
| 20:12.50 | bucky | deadcat: i think i was above the fuse-2.4.0 dir and patch -p0 < fuse-2.4.0-1.1.diff |
| 20:13.06 | bucky | maybe inside i can't remember now |
| 20:13.11 | caphuso | InnerFIRE: people will get very annoyed if you refuse to use --system |
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| 20:13.33 | bucky | deadcat: patch -p0 < ../fuse-2.4.0-1.1.diff ? |
| 20:13.39 | FallOnMe | InnerFIRE: debian has reserved all uids less than 100, if you ever upgrade the base-passwd package it'll want to fix them to its liking. |
| 20:14.06 | caphuso | FallOnMe: that's the reason why adduser --system uses a UID between 100 and 1000 |
| 20:14.18 | deadcat | bucky: nope. not working |
| 20:14.28 | InnerFIRE | FallOnMe: yes.. that I noticed |
| 20:14.32 | caphuso | unless $ADMIN chose another policy of course |
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| 20:14.34 | FallOnMe | caphuso: so how come he got an uid lt 100? |
| 20:14.58 | InnerFIRE | hrm |
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| 20:15.08 | InnerFIRE | ok I was told adduser --system did < 100 |
| 20:15.10 | caphuso | FallOnMe: he did? |
| 20:15.23 | bucky | deadcat: did you dpkg-source -x fuse-2.4.0.dsc ? |
| 20:15.32 | InnerFIRE | if it doesn't do that then I'll just call that from postinst |
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| 20:15.46 | FallOnMe | InnerFIRE: hmm.. indeed, adduser --system should work. |
| 20:15.48 | blondie | who wrote the adduser man page... "If an user" |
| 20:15.49 | blondie | >.< |
| 20:16.07 | bizkit | what do you think of gentoo? is it worth compiling everything for yourself? i think it is quite good for desktop pcs which need maximum performance. debian with its precompiled packages is the best for everything else, or what do you think? |
| 20:16.13 | caphuso | InnerFIRE: great. you just acknowledged that how any package that adds an user does it is the right way. quite the achievement on your part |
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| 20:16.18 | sonyman | how can I get the madwifi drivers loaded on debian etch? |
| 20:16.22 | FallOnMe | caphuso: apparently. |
| 20:16.23 | deadcat | bucky: no |
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| 20:16.30 | valdyn | bizkit: wrong channel, use google, there's reviews and speed comparisons |
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| 20:16.36 | InnerFIRE | caphuso: heh what can I say.. I'm new at this :) |
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| 20:16.45 | hans0lo | When I install debian with the netinstall CD, at what point can I choose which source to use (by source I mean sarge, sid, etc) |
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| 20:17.07 | soymilk | what if you don't use adduser --system but just useradd -u <GID> in range 100-200? |
| 20:17.32 | licued2 | dosen't "apt-get dist-upgrade" the distro? |
| 20:17.33 | caphuso | soymilk: ideally you'd get electrocuted |
| 20:17.34 | InnerFIRE | soymilk: I'd rather not have to check if the user is there first |
| 20:17.35 | FallOnMe | InnerFIRE: yes, you add a user in postinst, then chown (and perhaps dpkg-statoverride) the files. That's what we do for our local packages. |
| 20:17.41 | valdyn | hans0lo: seen enough, chose nothing in tasksel, complete the installation, run apt-setup, later you can still run tasksel |
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| 20:17.48 | licued2 | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ sagre main |
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| 20:17.53 | licued2 | that's what I ihave in my source.list' |
| 20:17.54 | bucky | deadcat: get all the happy source build shit from debian.org/packages and do i the debian way except ./configure with the options on my README, make, make install - that's what worked for me |
| 20:17.58 | FallOnMe | soymilk: it might not be available on every system. |
| 20:18.01 | soymilk | wow i didn't know that |
| 20:18.07 | SimonRaven | licued2: spell sarge correctly |
| 20:18.12 | soymilk | FallOnMe: of course i'd check first... |
| 20:18.12 | valdyn | hans0lo: s/seen/soon/ |
| 20:18.16 | licued2 | OH!! |
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| 20:18.18 | licued2 | !! |
| 20:18.18 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 20:18.22 | licued2 | duh |
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| 20:18.45 | soymilk | but i've had that problem, where I wanted to install a custom app that needed a UID GID and i wanted it to be unified across many systems... |
| 20:18.46 | licued2 | SimonRaven, still dosen't work :/ |
| 20:18.51 | bucky | Nwallins: you need to set up a location like this http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/14 |
| 20:18.54 | hans0lo | valdyn: ok, gotcha.. thanks |
| 20:19.01 | FallOnMe | soymilk: then there's no difference between using adduser --system, and finding out the first available uid by yourself. |
| 20:19.07 | deadcat | bucky: i have the fuse-source*.deb, i dpkg -x fuse*.deb /tmp/fusesource; cd /tmp/fusesource, tried patching athat way and no go |
| 20:19.07 | soymilk | so the way to do it is adduser --system ? |
| 20:19.16 | caphuso | soymilk: that's where NIS or LDAP or something like that is handy |
| 20:19.17 | soymilk | oh ok |
| 20:19.30 | bucky | Nwallins: there are other better sources but that's the first one i could find right off |
| 20:19.32 | takatumi | sonyman: http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi might help, you don't need to compile the kernel, use module-assistant, the kernel-headers will do. |
| 20:19.33 | InnerFIRE | let me guess.. qmail ? |
| 20:19.39 | SimonRaven | deadcat: fuse is in the kernel now, as of .14 |
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| 20:19.49 | abrotman | lekvar: doesn't ring a bell .. but there are lots of DDs |
| 20:19.58 | licued2 | SimonRaven: any clue? |
| 20:20.01 | licued2 | or anyone? : |
| 20:20.01 | licued2 | :P |
| 20:20.03 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya but i odnt have udev. and the fucker dont work. fuck the fuse devels |
| 20:20.04 | FallOnMe | Heh. And I remember writing a script that counted from 100 up and doing a getent to find out the next available uid. |
| 20:20.13 | SimonRaven | licued2: what "doesn't work"? |
| 20:20.14 | sonyman | takatumi, his addition to the repository has "sid" in it |
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| 20:20.26 | licued2 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://debian.lcs.mit.edu sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 20:20.26 | hans0lo | anyone know how to prevent a windows app from going 'fullscreen' with wine? |
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| 20:20.32 | licued2 | nm |
| 20:20.35 | licued2 | well wait |
| 20:20.38 | licued2 | running apt-get update now |
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| 20:20.40 | soymilk | caphuso: does ldap completely replace passwd? |
| 20:20.43 | SimonRaven | update again |
| 20:20.55 | caphuso | soymilk: depends on how you set it up |
| 20:20.59 | valdyn | licued2: that error must already have occured during the last apt-get update |
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| 20:21.18 | takatumi | sonyman: hmm, yeah haven't tried it in etch, works fine in sid. |
| 20:21.20 | SimonRaven | soymilk: usually system users are the only ones that are in unix flat file, with ldap |
| 20:21.28 | deadcat | SimonRaven: any idea? |
| 20:21.29 | bucky | deadcat: go to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/fuse-source and get [dsc] [fuse_2.4.0.orig.tar.gz] [fuse_2.4.0-1.diff.gz] |
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| 20:21.48 | bucky | deadcat: dpkg-source -x fuse-2.4.0.dsc |
| 20:21.54 | bucky | then patch it |
| 20:21.55 | valdyn | hans0lo: configure wine to run in a 'desktop', that'll be a window and fs applications will at most use that full window |
| 20:21.56 | sonyman | takatumi, yeah. Its a shame I can't find anything about running it on etch. I have to go to work, but if you come across anything, please msg me |
| 20:22.23 | bucky | deadcat: ./configure --enable-lib --enable-util --enable-example --disable-mtab |
| 20:22.31 | bucky | deadcat: make && make install |
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| 20:23.44 | SimonRaven | looks like bucky has it covered, deadcat :) |
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| 20:24.29 | licued2 | what's the difference between a limit order and market order? |
| 20:24.37 | bucky | i tried to make a deb but that udev patch got lost in the translation so i just installed it to /usr/local and it's happy |
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| 20:24.48 | licued2 | oops wrong channel ;) |
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| 20:25.12 | deadcat | bucky: install to /usr/local? we just installing the module right? i already have to util |
| 20:25.14 | bucky | licued2: hows the series seven class going today? |
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| 20:25.48 | Thanatermesis | what is the actual way to change the linux kernel logo in the boot ? with the file .h ? |
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| 20:26.19 | bobbens | hi, i heard something about having to recomplie glibc to get utf-8 support. Would this fix a segfault error i get with thunderbird related to libc? |
| 20:26.34 | bucky | deadcat: oh.. the kernel module is another matter... 2.6.14 has it in the kernel tree... but i think that will build the kernel module for you... ./configure --help |
| 20:26.43 | SimonRaven | Thanatermesis: look at the debianlogo kernel patch (in debian ;) for a clue |
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| 20:27.07 | bucky | deadcat: if not get the kernel module from sourceforge |
| 20:27.27 | deadcat | bucky: i thought the problem is just the module and /dev/fuse doesnt exist. what the utils got to do with it? i already have fuse-utils pkg isntalled |
| 20:27.33 | Thanatermesis | ok, i make a look |
| 20:27.37 | spatulasnout | hi, i'm working on a remote server booted off partitions on /dev/hda... i'd like to install a fresh debian on partitions on /dev/hdc, without rebooting to run an installer (and i have no physical access to the system to insert an install CD). Is this possible? |
| 20:27.41 | bucky | deadcat: whatever |
| 20:27.47 | bucky | mine works |
| 20:27.55 | InnerFIRE | FallOnMe and caphuso thanks for the help |
| 20:28.07 | deadcat | bucky: so you dont have fuse-utils ? |
| 20:28.18 | bucky | deadcat: ./configure --enable-lib --enable-util --enable-example --disable-mtab |
| 20:28.22 | deadcat | bucky: i did |
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| 20:28.27 | deadcat | its compiled and installed. |
| 20:28.28 | bucky | --enable-util |
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| 20:28.44 | deadcat | bucky: ya. now i have 2 fusermount |
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| 20:28.52 | SimonRaven | spatulasnout: debootstrap; chroot to hdcX; run base-config |
| 20:29.13 | SimonRaven | a bit more involved than that, but that's a quickie summary |
| 20:29.13 | bucky | deadcat: dpkg -i fuse-utils |
| 20:29.14 | spatulasnout | SimonRaven: thx! i'll read up on those |
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| 20:29.22 | bucky | deadcat: dpkg -r fuse-utils |
| 20:29.22 | Hoxzer_ | if I edit Option "TvOutFormat" to "kamnsdnas" should I normally get error on boot? |
| 20:29.34 | bucky | come on.. deadcat |
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| 20:29.44 | deadcat | bucky: enfcs and sshfs requries it |
| 20:29.48 | deadcat | thats why it was installed |
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| 20:30.03 | bucky | deadcat: use equivs |
| 20:30.16 | deadcat | damn |
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| 20:30.53 | bucky | deadcat: i emailed the packager of fuse about this patch... it might come out some day |
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| 20:31.21 | deadcat | bucky: ok. i'll just wait. i've been waiting for months already... lets hope i can make uninstall |
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| 20:31.35 | deadcat | cool |
| 20:31.36 | Hoxzer_ | answer my question |
| 20:31.48 | blondie | Hoxzer_: why? |
| 20:31.55 | bucky | deadcat: just go to /usr/local/bin and lib and rm the fuse shit |
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| 20:32.04 | bucky | it's not rocket science |
| 20:32.08 | deadcat | bucky: ya. make uninstall worked |
| 20:32.13 | SimonRaven | don't demand, we don't owe you anything |
| 20:32.50 | Nwallins | Hoxzer_: lol |
| 20:32.51 | deadcat | bucky: hehe. insmod ./fuse.ko and its working (= |
| 20:33.09 | SimonRaven | !insmod |
| 20:33.09 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 20:33.19 | bucky | deadcat: btw... 2.4 is in unstable and sourceforge released 2.7... i wouldn't hold my breath |
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| 20:33.41 | Thanatermesis | SimonRaven i remember in the old kernels i need to set the size of the image in a source code file... i don't need to make this now with the .ppm files, yes ? |
| 20:33.55 | deadcat | bucky: i saw 2.4.2 there only. didnt see 2.7 |
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| 20:34.19 | websdale | Hi all - what's the name of the Debian app that creates an install disk of .debs from your current system (or something like that) ? |
| 20:34.25 | SimonRaven | Thanatermesis: dunno |
| 20:34.25 | bucky | maybe that was it.. to versions behind |
| 20:34.38 | deadcat | bucky: ok. i just mounted my remote $HOME via sshfs, i am looking at a way to umount it (= |
| 20:34.39 | GoaSERV- | Hi how can i install TCL package on a Debian 3.1 |
| 20:34.44 | deadcat | df |
| 20:34.59 | deadcat | ah |
| 20:34.59 | bucky | and sourceforge version hasn't addressed the udev dependancy |
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| 20:35.24 | bucky | deadcat: fusermount -u $HOME |
| 20:35.32 | bucky | man fusermount |
| 20:35.52 | deadcat | yeep |
| 20:36.14 | deadcat | bucky: now i can get my files back in ~/.encfs (= |
| 20:36.17 | GoaSERV- | Hi how can i install TCL package on a Debian 3.1 |
| 20:36.31 | blondie | GoaSERV-: we heard you the first time |
| 20:36.35 | SimonRaven | !tell GoaSERV- -about search |
| 20:36.40 | SimonRaven | !tell GoaSERV- -about repeat |
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| 20:37.39 | GoaSERV- | sorry < lamo |
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| 20:41.49 | surgeon | hi all! |
| 20:42.05 | surgeon | where do i change, which standard window manager xdm should execute? |
| 20:42.24 | mjk64 | surgeon: Hmm ... update-alternatives? Just a guess from a newbie =) |
| 20:42.45 | SimonRaven | easiest is ~/.xsession and some relevant contents |
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| 20:43.08 | mjk64 | SimonRaven: Would "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" also work? |
| 20:43.11 | azeem | depends on whether you want it per-user or per-system |
| 20:43.23 | mjk64 | SimonRaven: Or does xdm not evaluate x-window-manager? |
| 20:43.25 | PhoenixMan | Hello. I want to run a VNC Server on Debian. Is this possible, and if so, how? I've tried TightVNC but that didn't work properly. |
| 20:43.28 | mjk64 | call, rather |
| 20:43.29 | surgeon | its not important, but per-user was just fine |
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| 20:44.00 | bucky | surgeon: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 20:44.15 | chealer | PhoenixMan, yes |
| 20:44.36 | abrotman | PhoenixMan: apt-cache show vncserver ? |
| 20:44.53 | bucky | man update-alternatives or apt-get install gdm or kdm which ever flavor you like then it will let you choose on a per user basis |
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| 20:45.14 | surgeon | no my pc is to lame for gdm or kdm, im staying with xdm |
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| 20:45.34 | PhoenixMan | Uh... it spitted some stuff out. |
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| 20:46.02 | SimonRaven | mjk64: a) yes b) yes it does |
| 20:46.16 | mjk64 | SimonRaven: Thanks! =) |
| 20:46.19 | PhoenixMan | How do I view my available disk space again? |
| 20:46.22 | PhoenixMan | Uh... I forgot. |
| 20:46.25 | chealer | PhoenixMan, df |
| 20:46.25 | mjk64 | PhoenixMan: df |
| 20:46.30 | PhoenixMan | Ok |
| 20:46.37 | chealer | PhoenixMan, those were package names |
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| 20:46.56 | PhoenixMan | Uh... My disk usage is 99%. |
| 20:47.00 | bucky | PhoenixMan: apropos usage |
| 20:47.03 | Cheikh | how can i use gaim cvs |
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| 20:47.37 | bucky | PhoenixMan: look at you /var/log messages and see if they're get too big |
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| 20:47.50 | zcot | hi all.. wanting to install a desktop package, but only have a 1.3gb disc.. any suggestions? |
| 20:47.51 | znx | Shadowcat: hehe |
| 20:47.56 | bucky | either that or uninstall doom3 and Americas Army |
| 20:48.11 | Os390 | i have a question about ooo2.0 , can i do a question here |
| 20:48.13 | chealer | PhoenixMan, do you use a particular desktop environment? |
| 20:48.13 | valdyn | zcot: that's enough for quite some software. |
| 20:48.19 | znx | heheh Shadowcat :p |
| 20:48.28 | bucky | !seen greycat |
| 20:48.29 | dpkg | greycat is currently on #debian-bots (7h 19m 13s). Has said a total of 101339 messages. Is idling for 3d 3h 19m 30s |
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| 20:48.31 | chealer | Os390, if it's specific to OOo, ask #openoffice.org |
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| 20:48.34 | surgeon | bucky: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager doens't give anything to stdout and what does it anyway? |
| 20:48.39 | SimonRaven | zcot: don't use tasksel and you'll be ok |
| 20:48.39 | zcot | valdyn: yes, plenty.. but the base system + the desktop package is slightly more ;) |
| 20:48.43 | mhall_ | I'm trying to run OOo in VNC and I keep getting Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1.0". |
| 20:49.02 | bucky | surgeon: did you do it as su and which version of debian are you using? |
| 20:49.02 | valdyn | zcot: dont select desktop system in tasksel ( where i assume you are right now ) |
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| 20:49.07 | SimonRaven | surgeon: x-window-manager, 'session manager' is managed through debconf |
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| 20:49.34 | su_ | nabend |
| 20:49.39 | PhoenixMan | Alright now vncserver won't work. |
| 20:49.43 | valdyn | zcot: you just complete the installation and install selected few desktop things instead of installing the complete 2 largest systems available |
| 20:49.43 | PhoenixMan | It says it opened at port 1 |
| 20:49.44 | PhoenixMan | red:1 |
| 20:49.56 | PhoenixMan | Isn't that supposed to be localhost:1? |
| 20:50.01 | PhoenixMan | How do I change it? |
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| 20:50.12 | su_ | hi |
| 20:50.17 | jshriver | Anyone know if it's possible to dynamically tar/untar a file via ftp? |
| 20:50.43 | zcot | i browsed around a bit with aptitude.. are there full desktop selections there? outside of the tasks catagory? |
| 20:50.45 | su_ | is there a easy way to setup cols and rows of my console permanently to get a higher resolution |
| 20:50.49 | su_ | ? |
| 20:50.58 | valdyn | zcot: which things are you picking? |
| 20:51.07 | surgeon | i'm using debian 3.1, bucky & simonraven ; but anyway, how can i add xdm to standart runlevel? |
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| 20:51.30 | SimonRaven | surgeon: depending on the video and if you have framebuffer enabled or not, use svgatextmode or fbset |
| 20:51.43 | valdyn | zcot: you are on a debian system are you? |
| 20:51.44 | zcot | haven't picked anything.. was thinking gnome though. I'm sure I could use too much space easily with kde |
| 20:51.54 | SimonRaven | surgeon: it already is. debian doesn't do it like redhat and like distros |
| 20:51.59 | valdyn | zcot: gnome alone might fit |
| 20:52.13 | zcot | i'm on windows right here.. debian to might right(200mhz) |
| 20:52.21 | valdyn | zcot: oh |
| 20:52.29 | bucky | surgeon: xdm should be the "default runlevel" if it's installed.. did you install x-window-system |
| 20:52.31 | valdyn | zcot: gnome might be slow on that system |
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| 20:52.55 | valdyn | zcot: try installing 'xfce4'. If that is to slow for you, come back. |
| 20:53.06 | zcot | valdyn: what would you.. ok ;) |
| 20:53.11 | SimonRaven | xfce4 slow? :) |
| 20:53.15 | bucky | surgeon: we have to set up our own X in debian just like in the old days |
| 20:53.31 | valdyn | zcot: i'd install evilwm and a few applications, i wouldnt just recommend you that though |
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| 20:53.35 | omry_ | is there a repository with a firefox 1.5 deb for etch? |
| 20:53.47 | SimonRaven | AFK |
| 20:54.22 | streuner | !tell omry_ about search |
| 20:54.37 | PhoenixMan | vncserver won't work. It spits out that the new desktop is now red:1 (red being the computer name I guess). I think "red" needs to be "localhost", but I have no idea how to change it. |
| 20:54.40 | PhoenixMan | Any help? |
| 20:55.21 | valdyn | zcot: http://marcel.blogdns.net/evilwm/evilwm-dt.jpg ( no window borders at all and really small ) |
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| 20:57.57 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 20:57.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:58.12 | nixie | PhoenixMan: how can it be that you want to run vnc on localhost? you want the vnc server remotely accessible, right? |
| 20:58.30 | mjk64 | Is it correct that there is no default crontab set-up for any user in Debian 3.1r0a? "crontab -l" claims "no crontab for root", although /etc/crontab and various cron* directories contain entries. |
| 20:58.32 | PhoenixMan | Yes. |
| 20:58.35 | valdyn | omry_: yea, experimental, but why would you want to use that.. |
| 20:58.39 | GoaSERV- | after installing tcl8.4 it still says Tcl cannot be found on this system. , so do i need to reboot the machine or what? |
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| 20:58.51 | sbou | hi, i want to do a net install of debian. my tools are: bootable floppies and an adsl via pppoe connexion. couldn't find much documentation on that case. anyone has a clue? |
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| 20:58.53 | PhoenixMan | I type in "vncserver" and it's says it's up at red:1 (on another machine I previously installed this (diff. OS) it said localhost:1) |
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| 20:59.05 | omry_ | valdyn, why do I want to use firefox 1.5? |
| 20:59.11 | marc_in_lux | good evening |
| 20:59.13 | valdyn | mjk64: crontab -e ( as root ) edits something else than /etc/crontab |
| 20:59.16 | jshriver | greetings |
| 20:59.17 | bucky | GoaSERV-: apt-get install tcl8.4-deb |
| 20:59.18 | PhoenixMan | But when I try to connect to the vncserver with my viewer it gives me a connection refused |
| 20:59.19 | bucky | GoaSERV-: apt-get install tcl8.4-dev |
| 20:59.21 | marc_in_lux | I'm sitting in front of a borked sarge install |
| 20:59.24 | jshriver | how can you use -exec in find to delete a file? |
| 20:59.26 | nixie | PhoenixMan: so, red:1 is probably correct. type (as root): netstat -anp | grep -i vnc. it should return the ip address + port on which vnc is bound (and thus reachable) |
| 20:59.31 | marc_in_lux | tried to install to an lvm on a raid |
| 20:59.38 | bucky | GoaSERV-: get the developer headers |
| 20:59.42 | GoaSERV- | bucky: E: Couldn't find package tcl8.4-deb |
| 20:59.58 | valdyn | mjk64: ls /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 21:00.05 | PhoenixMan | It doesn't say a thing. |
| 21:00.08 | marc_in_lux | grub tells me kernel /vlminuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/mapper/vg00-root ro |
| 21:00.13 | PhoenixMan | When I type that nothing appears. |
| 21:00.14 | marc_in_lux | Error 15: file not found |
| 21:00.17 | mjk64 | valdyn: Aaaaah, thanks! |
| 21:00.26 | nixie | PhoenixMan: then vnc isnt bound to any ip/port, and you should check the configuration. |
| 21:00.28 | GoaSERV- | bucky: tcl8.4 - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - run-time files |
| 21:00.30 | surgeon | yes i did, bucky, u seem to be right; bye |
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| 21:00.32 | mjk64 | valdyn: The directory is empty, so there's no cronjob waiting, right? |
| 21:00.45 | valdyn | mjk64: so there is no user crontab |
| 21:00.54 | marc_in_lux | boot is on an ext2 partition, root is on the lvm/raid |
| 21:00.55 | valdyn | mjk64: system crontab is in /etc/ |
| 21:01.01 | mjk64 | valdyn: I'm just a bit confused, because in /etc/crontab, it reads: Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the crontab'command to install the new version when you edit this file. |
| 21:01.03 | marc_in_lux | can anybody help? |
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| 21:01.23 | valdyn | mjk64: its just that even root has its own user crontab, that just isnt /etc/crontab |
| 21:01.25 | mjk64 | valdyn: And as /etc/crontab is not empty, I thought, these entries would be automatically read at cron startup |
| 21:01.32 | bucky | GoaSERV-: tcl8.4-dev it was a typo |
| 21:01.35 | valdyn | mjk64: they are read |
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| 21:01.44 | valdyn | mjk64: crontab -l lists the USER crontab |
| 21:01.46 | mjk64 | valdyn: Argl? But then ... why aren't they started? |
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| 21:02.00 | valdyn | mjk64: why arent they? |
| 21:02.05 | mjk64 | valdyn: Okay, but /var/spool/cron/crontabs is empty, although /etc/crontab is not? |
| 21:02.16 | sbou | how can i create a bootable floppy including pppoe support ? |
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| 21:02.30 | GoaSERV- | bucky: thanks it worked |
| 21:02.39 | valdyn | mjk64: yea, run crontab -e as ANY user ( even root ), and that users crontab will be created there |
| 21:02.54 | PhoenixMan | Nope. It doesn't work. It says it's on port 1 and then it shuts itself down for soem reason. |
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| 21:03.52 | mjk64 | valdyn: So far, so good. But you said that /etc/crontab gets read - and since it's not empty, cron should interpret these entries and schedule them. But obviously (/var/spool/cron/crontabs is empty), it doesn't. That's ... contradictory. :-) |
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| 21:04.19 | mongoose | users |
| 21:04.29 | valdyn | mjk64: no, /etc/crontab is a crontab, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ can contain additional crontabs with addiational cronjobs |
| 21:04.30 | Nwallins | dumb question: what's the CS term for a result or decision that can be determined solely from program inputs... determinable / non-determinable? IIRC this was used in context of finite state machines |
| 21:04.59 | mjk64 | valdyn: Hmm ... so how can I check which cron jobs are scheduled currently? For root or for other users. |
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| 21:05.27 | valdyn | mjk64: by reading the crontabs |
| 21:05.34 | mjk64 | valdyn: The reason I wanted to know: I want to save something to /var/tmp and wanted to know if there is some cronjob scheduled to periodically delete everything in /var/tmp |
| 21:05.49 | marculix | mjk64: crontab -l (crontab -e for edit) |
| 21:05.52 | PhoenixMan | I received an error while running "Xvnc": Couldn't add screen. |
| 21:05.55 | valdyn | marculix: umm no |
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| 21:06.20 | marculix | valdyn: yes? |
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| 21:06.37 | valdyn | mjk64: read /etc/crontab, you will see what it does, namely execute scripts in /etc/cron.daily/ /etc/cron.monthly/ etc |
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| 21:06.57 | valdyn | mjk64: and additionally cron reads the crontabs in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 21:07.28 | marculix | /etc/crontab is the global crontab dude |
| 21:07.33 | mjk64 | valdyn: Ooookay. I just thought cron would somehow list scheduled jobs (read from any crontabs) in /var/spool/cron/crontabs ... |
| 21:08.02 | mjk64 | marculix: Yeah, and I wanted to check if cron has correctly read these entries by looking for some kind of cron spool file ... |
| 21:08.17 | valdyn | mjk64: yea, thats not how it works, as you understand now i think |
| 21:08.20 | marculix | mjk64: crontab -l |
| 21:08.26 | mjk64 | marculix: That's empty. |
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| 21:08.39 | marculix | mjk64: then no user crontab is invoked |
| 21:08.40 | foo | Any quick way to convert like 255 to binary via a linux tool? Trying to figure out the /## for a 140.144.235.0 network ... |
| 21:08.45 | mjk64 | marculix: But /etc/crontab (the system wide crontab, as we all know now :-) is not. |
| 21:09.08 | mjk64 | marculix: Is there any way I can *check* if cron has correctly read /etc/crontab? |
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| 21:10.00 | loxley_ | foo: binary.. like 11111111 ? |
| 21:10.02 | bobgray_ | im trying to install udev, but if i do it says it'll uninstall the kernel |
| 21:10.02 | PhoenixMan | Arggh how do I run VNC? |
| 21:10.16 | bobgray_ | is debian using something else now to manage device creation? |
| 21:10.17 | PhoenixMan | I type "vncserver" but that doesn't work... it shuts itself down almost instantly! |
| 21:10.28 | valdyn | mjk64: if cron finds errors it will mail those, if any script returns errors it will also mail those |
| 21:10.32 | bobgray_ | PhoenixMan: you sure it isn't just backgrounding itself? |
| 21:10.37 | PhoenixMan | It isn't. |
| 21:10.43 | PhoenixMan | I tried connecting to it and it didn't work. |
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| 21:10.49 | mjk64 | valdyn: Mail isn't set-up yet. ;-) |
| 21:10.51 | mjk64 | valdyn: But okay ... |
| 21:10.57 | PhoenixMan | also when I type "vncserver" twice it says it got to the background on port 1 twice |
| 21:11.11 | PhoenixMan | normal behavior makes it say port 1 and then port 2 but it says port 1 |
| 21:11.15 | valdyn | mjk64: alright, cron needs an MTA to function properly as you see |
| 21:11.26 | PhoenixMan | this leaves me to believe that it malfunctioned or whatever and shutdown |
| 21:11.41 | PhoenixMan | Are there any logs or something for this kinda thing? vncserver is just a script |
| 21:11.45 | mjk64 | valdyn: So I won't get around setting it up these days. :-} |
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| 21:12.21 | valdyn | mjk64: how'd you install debian without setting up exim(4) ? |
| 21:12.34 | valdyn | mjk64: oh you chose 'setup later' ? |
| 21:12.43 | PhoenixMan | could not open default font |
| 21:12.47 | mjk64 | valdyn: Yep. |
| 21:12.56 | Eulex | I seem to remember that there should be a small command line utility that could perform various math operations, but I don't remember the name of it, and I can't find it in the repos. anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 21:13.04 | mjk64 | valdyn: Because I wasn't sure yet which way I'd set it up. |
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| 21:13.13 | valdyn | mjk64: just run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and set it to only deliver local mail..cheesy |
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| 21:13.41 | PhoenixMan | Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 21:13.43 | valdyn | mjk64: you can still set up more advanced things later, but you really want error mails to arrive.. |
| 21:13.46 | mjk64 | valdyn: Hmmm ... cheesy adj : (informal) of very poor quality [syn: {bum}, {cheap}, {chintzy}, {crummy}, {punk}, {sleazy}, {tinny}] |
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| 21:13.59 | mjk64 | valdyn: Yeah, local delivery will do for this, of course ... will do that! |
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| 21:14.00 | loxley_ | Eulex: bc? |
| 21:14.17 | Eulex | loxley_, yep :) thanks |
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| 21:14.48 | PhoenixMan | aha |
| 21:14.51 | PhoenixMan | it can't find the font |
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| 21:15.03 | valdyn | bobbens: you probably cannot use udev with that kernel |
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| 21:17.27 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 21:17.27 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
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| 21:17.33 | |felipe| | hey.... I have some questions about debian.. |
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| 21:17.47 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 21:17.47 | |felipe| | may I somebody help me? |
| 21:17.57 | cheal | |felipe|: ask them |
| 21:17.58 | valdyn | !tell |felipe| -about ask |
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| 21:18.12 | tralala | dpkg, fixed is =~ s/it/is/ |
| 21:18.12 | dpkg | tralala: i didn't have anything called 'fixed is' to modify |
| 21:18.18 | tralala | dpkg, fixed =~ s/it/is/ |
| 21:18.19 | dpkg | tralala: that doesn't contain 'it' |
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| 21:18.27 | PhoenixMan | yay |
| 21:18.33 | tralala | hmm |
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| 21:18.53 | |felipe| | Ok... I use SuSe 10.0 but I have another computer that is not as fast... |
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| 21:19.01 | PhoenixMan | I'm in |
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| 21:19.23 | |felipe| | the Debian website says that it runs in a 386 with only 8 MB ram |
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| 21:19.31 | |felipe| | is that right? |
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| 21:19.49 | valdyn | |felipe|: probably, but installing debian would be tricky |
| 21:19.51 | AlaskaLB | leave |
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| 21:20.05 | valdyn | |felipe|: you want 32mb or more |
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| 21:20.21 | dserban | Asking again: Can someone tell me what env flags I must set for the kernel to compile with gcc 3.4? |
| 21:20.28 | cheal | |felipe|: no |
| 21:20.40 | |felipe| | ok... what if I wanna run debian in a AMD K6-II 400 with 128MB ram |
| 21:20.49 | blondie | foo: what about it |
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| 21:20.53 | valdyn | |felipe|: thats perfectly fine then |
| 21:20.56 | cheal | |felipe|: it will work. |
| 21:20.56 | |felipe| | does debian run well there |
| 21:20.58 | blondie | erm |
| 21:21.09 | |felipe| | Ok... one more question... |
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| 21:21.46 | |felipe| | Suse 10.0 has a package manager called Yast that is actually really good... really good... does debian have something as good ? |
| 21:21.49 | cheal | |felipe|: unlikely better than SuSE would (in terms of performance) |
| 21:21.58 | valdyn | |felipe|: no, better |
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| 21:22.04 | cheal | |felipe|: debian invented APT |
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| 21:22.06 | tralala | |felipe|: it depends on what you want to do. 3D rendering or big size image editing will not be particularly nice |
| 21:22.21 | cheal | s/invented/created |
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| 21:22.41 | secretus | A complete noob speaking here ; In the installation, I had a dialogue from debian where I could select a video driver from a list of drivers, how do I get to that screen again ? |
| 21:22.49 | cheal | !drxx secretus |
| 21:22.51 | omega2005 | hi friends |
| 21:22.53 | dpkg | secretus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:23.06 | omega2005 | does debian support sata2 HD? |
| 21:23.10 | secretus | ok thanks, i'll try it right now |
| 21:23.15 | |felipe| | I just want a OS that runs nice in that computer... but it needs to be easy to operate... |
| 21:23.55 | valdyn | omega2005: that is not a hardware specification that matters to the kernel, your specific sata controller might be supported or not. |
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| 21:24.08 | lito | uhmmm |
| 21:24.08 | lito | xD |
| 21:24.10 | lito | wenas |
| 21:24.11 | lito | xD |
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| 21:24.29 | |felipe| | And what about the Graphical interface??? what is the nicest interface (besides KDE e GNoME) |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | wtf does yast have to do with easy to operate ? |
| 21:24.39 | abrotman | xfce ? blackbox ? |
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| 21:24.41 | valdyn | |felipe|: that's a matter of taste |
| 21:24.48 | abrotman | icewm! |
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| 21:25.01 | valdyn | evilwm |
| 21:25.11 | |felipe| | I asked different questions.. |
| 21:25.31 | |felipe| | Tell me something that looks like KDE... |
| 21:25.36 | |felipe| | please |
| 21:25.39 | tralala | |felipe|: I suppose the best way to find an OS and GUI for your needs is to try a few and make your mind. Obviously we would recommend debian around here. |
| 21:25.43 | valdyn | i dont know anything as ugly |
| 21:26.15 | licued2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.34 | valdyn | licued2: cat /etc/debian_version or dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:26.46 | tralala | I haven't tried gnome recently but I used to hate the lack of control only with the keyboard. |
| 21:26.56 | valdyn | licued2: first is for sane systems, 2nd to test screwed systems |
| 21:27.01 | |felipe| | Ok... would I be bugging you if I asked one more thing? |
| 21:27.17 | licued2 | hehe |
| 21:27.19 | |felipe| | Why would u guys say that Debian is better than Suse? |
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| 21:27.29 | licued2 | what's libc have to do with it? |
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| 21:27.54 | valdyn | |felipe|: more software, better package management, better integration of components, less bugs |
| 21:28.00 | MCheevy | anyone here have any experience playing with dmraid at boot time? |
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| 21:28.03 | cheal | licued2: you can check on packages.debian.org which release has that version |
| 21:28.15 | licued2 | gotchya ;) |
| 21:28.21 | levander | Anybody has seen good documentation of the makefile for the linux kernel? Can give me a link? |
| 21:28.31 | |felipe| | Debian has more softwares? |
| 21:28.47 | valdyn | |felipe|: you will only learn to like debian if you really use it though, the installer isnt as colorful as suses |
| 21:28.47 | |felipe| | all kinds of some specific kind? |
| 21:28.49 | MCheevy | levander: /usr/src/linux/Documentation? |
| 21:28.56 | cheal | |felipe|: yes. the release choice is interesting too |
| 21:28.57 | unique | sorry guys...this is an off topic question, but does anyone here knows anything about recharcable batteries and wether 2300mAh batteries last longer than 1800mAh batteries? |
| 21:29.00 | valdyn | |felipe|: everything, 10 GB of software |
| 21:29.18 | |felipe| | is it hard to install? |
| 21:29.24 | |felipe| | Suse was pretty easy |
| 21:29.32 | tralala | |felipe|: The official debian 3.1 occupies two cds |
| 21:29.34 | |felipe| | actually I had to do nothing |
| 21:29.37 | tralala | dvds, sorry |
| 21:29.54 | MCheevy | felipe: debian should install well if you had no problems with suse |
| 21:29.54 | cheal | |felipe|: debian has support for most hardware than suse |
| 21:29.58 | valdyn | |felipe|: if your hardware is supported, sure easy |
| 21:30.08 | levander | MCheevy: I'm grepping through the files in that directory, don't see anything on what the Makefile targets do |
| 21:30.16 | MCheevy | btw, morning folks.... |
| 21:30.37 | MCheevy | levander: ah, have you tried "make help" at the prompt? it gives a brief summary of the targets |
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| 21:30.58 | |felipe| | is it lighter than Suse (my only problem with suse is that it is too heavy...) |
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| 21:31.04 | |felipe| | ? |
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| 21:31.06 | levander | MCheevy: that's exactly what I needed, thanks |
| 21:31.13 | MCheevy | levander: de nada |
| 21:31.16 | azeem | |felipe|: you can easily choose to have it lighter |
| 21:31.26 | |felipe| | how? |
| 21:31.27 | levander | MCheevy: do most people print that msg out with their makefiles? I think I'm going to start doing it. |
| 21:31.27 | valdyn | |felipe|: in debian you decide what you install, so its weight depends on you |
| 21:31.30 | cheal | |felipe|: it's certainly not heavier |
| 21:31.49 | cheal | |felipe|: debian isn't hard nor easy to install |
| 21:31.52 | |felipe| | how can you make linux lighter? |
| 21:31.57 | MCheevy | levander: that's the only place I've come across it.. but that doesn't mean others don't do that too |
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| 21:32.16 | MCheevy | levander: most of them just include that info in the README |
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| 21:32.27 | levander | MCheevy: it's needed, 90% of the time, there's no other reason to open the README than to find out what targets do what |
| 21:32.30 | |felipe| | I talking about the RAM that it needs constantly |
| 21:32.58 | levander | MCheevy: i'm gonna start making my README's say to type 'make help' from Makefile instructions |
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| 21:33.21 | valdyn | |felipe|: if you choose to run firefox and kde it sure eats alot of ram. |
| 21:33.26 | MCheevy | levander: don't think it would be a bad trend to establish |
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| 21:33.52 | Vyrus001 | ok so i just upgraded my kernel only my wifi driver from my old one didnt work... so i downloaded the source to make it again and i get this err saying "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/build: No such file or directory. Stop.". isnt that folder suposed to be there when u apt-get a new kernel-image? |
| 21:34.00 | |felipe| | is gnome lighter? |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | !ram |
| 21:34.03 | dpkg | i guess ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
| 21:34.15 | abrotman | !find 2.6.12-1-k7/build |
| 21:34.25 | abrotman | Vyrus001: in etch ? |
| 21:34.37 | Vyrus001 | abrotman: um no, sarge |
| 21:34.41 | caphuso | Vyrus001: no, you need the header package |
| 21:34.42 | Vyrus001 | should i be etch ? |
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| 21:34.48 | Vyrus001 | ah |
| 21:34.49 | abrotman | Vyrus001: 2.6.12 isn't in sarge |
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| 21:35.13 | valdyn | |felipe|: kde isnt particularily heavy on ram, but using firefox/mozilla IN kde will _together_ eat alot of ram |
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| 21:35.19 | |felipe| | I truly don't know the GUI from linux... I just know KDE and GNOME... what others are good ( i don't even know the names) |
| 21:35.25 | abrotman | KDE isn't exactly easy on RAM either :) |
| 21:35.42 | azeem | |felipe|: xfce is known to be lighter |
| 21:35.45 | |felipe| | and what about gnome? lighter than KDE? |
| 21:35.47 | Vyrus001 | abrotman: all of my sources in apt say "testing" and my mallrat section is sarge |
| 21:35.53 | azeem | |felipe|: as light as |
| 21:36.01 | |felipe| | ok.. |
| 21:36.01 | abrotman | |felipe|: forget about gnome or kde .. try something else .. if your computer feels too fast .. try gnome or kde |
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| 21:36.08 | Mawrick | How would I start a new "session" of a terminal when logged in via SSH? (on debian) |
| 21:36.12 | azeem | |felipe|: but always consider that nice features imply more code etc. and makes the desktop environment "heavier" |
| 21:36.12 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: apt-get intsall kernel-header-(uname -a) yes ? |
| 21:36.32 | caphuso | Vyrus001: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:36.40 | abrotman | uname -a would be funny though :) |
| 21:36.55 | Mawrick | also how would I change between the "windows" ? (if someone knows...:) ) |
| 21:37.09 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: hmm perhaps i have to switch to etch because i dont see that in apt-cachs |
| 21:37.11 | valdyn | Mawrick: log in a 2nd time? |
| 21:37.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:37.14 | |felipe| | Ok... so what would u guys recommend for me to install in a AMD K6-II 128MB to be stable and light? what GUI and what programs? |
| 21:37.27 | azeem | |felipe|: try xfce first |
| 21:37.30 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 21:37.33 | valdyn | |felipe|: xfce4 |
| 21:37.34 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: i only see linux-headers |
| 21:37.38 | Mawrick | valdyn : yea, could, but isn't it possible to have multiple "sessions" ? |
| 21:37.38 | caphuso | Vyrus001: use that |
| 21:37.39 | azeem | |felipe|: if that is too heavy, try blackbox or windomaker |
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| 21:38.00 | azeem | |felipe|: if that is too heavy, try ion3 |
| 21:38.03 | valdyn | Mawrick: maybe, i havent ever had the need for that |
| 21:38.07 | azeem | |felipe|: if that is to heavy, stay with the console |
| 21:38.14 | azeem | s/to/too/ |
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| 21:38.18 | caphuso | ion3 isn't lighter than blackbox |
| 21:38.32 | abrotman | not much is lighter the blackbox :) |
| 21:38.47 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: it sais there is no make file in my headers dir |
| 21:38.47 | MCheevy | after all, x windows is, relatively speaking a new addition.... |
| 21:38.57 | valdyn | ion3 would just probably be to much of a challenge to learn like that |
| 21:38.59 | Mawrick | valdyn: any tips on other irc clients then bitchX ? (or is that the one to go for?) |
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| 21:39.06 | abrotman | irssi |
| 21:39.09 | valdyn | Mawrick: xchat/irssi |
| 21:39.21 | Mawrick | ok, will check em out...:) |
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| 21:39.37 | valdyn | Mawrick: and kde has its own i guess |
| 21:39.46 | |felipe| | and what about the browsers for linux... which one is the best in "light and good" ? |
| 21:39.50 | Mawrick | ok |
| 21:39.51 | caphuso | Vyrus001: no idea |
| 21:40.08 | MCheevy | felipe: lynx is about as light as you can get |
| 21:40.15 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: also ther IS a make file in the source dirt |
| 21:40.46 | MCheevy | fast, cheap and good, pick two |
| 21:40.47 | caphuso | Vyrus001: then use the source directory. just make sure it's configured properly |
| 21:40.59 | abrotman | you forgot correct |
| 21:41.01 | valdyn | |felipe|: konqueror if you use kde, firefox otherwise, or links2 -g |
| 21:41.09 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: in an ls -l it shows most of the folders are symlinks to linux-headers-2.6.12, might the problem be that i dont have THAT source ? |
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| 21:41.41 | caphuso | Vyrus001: most of what folders (sic)? |
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| 21:42.02 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: the folders in the headers dir for (uname -a) |
| 21:42.13 | |felipe| | thank u guys |
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| 21:43.02 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: yea that did it i just needed the 2-6-12.1 source |
| 21:43.08 | valdyn | Vyrus001: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:43.09 | Vyrus001 | thanx for the help |
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| 21:43.16 | soymilk | how do you get to a menu in ion3? |
| 21:43.29 | kimo | I'm after high value LinuxLaptops, any recommendations? |
| 21:43.42 | valdyn | kimo: thinkpads |
| 21:43.47 | caphuso | soymilk: alt+F1 |
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| 21:44.01 | abrotman | wtf is a high value laptop ? |
| 21:44.08 | abrotman | high price ? |
| 21:44.18 | kimo | abrotman, high quality & cheap :) |
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| 21:44.38 | valdyn | i'd doubt that exists |
| 21:44.39 | abrotman | like a Yugo ? |
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| 21:44.54 | Genghis_ | hi |
| 21:44.57 | kimo | valdyn, do thinkpads support hibernating & full acpi .. |
| 21:45.04 | valdyn | kimo: yea |
| 21:45.05 | abrotman | my thinkpad does acpi .. |
| 21:45.13 | abrotman | dunno about hibernating .. IMO .. it's stupid :) |
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| 21:45.18 | kimo | with full Linux support ? |
| 21:45.20 | Vyrus001 | caphuso: yeap that did it, driver compiled... thanx :P |
| 21:45.34 | abrotman | kimo: the only thing that doesn't work currently(it used to) is the modem |
| 21:45.47 | abrotman | kimo: i changed kernels .. never reinstalled the driver for the modem |
| 21:45.56 | kimo | so you guys just recommend thinkpads |
| 21:45.58 | valdyn | kimo: im still applying 1 patch to 2.6.14 to maximise powersaving when suspending to ram, otherwise everything is supported |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:46.12 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 21:46.12 | kimo | cool! |
| 21:46.29 | soymilk | guess i will try switching to ion when i don't have 30+ open windows... |
| 21:46.29 | kimo | is IBM supporting Linux somewhat officially ? |
| 21:46.36 | abrotman | IBM doesn't sell laptops anymore |
| 21:46.45 | abrotman | well .. nto really |
| 21:46.55 | valdyn | kimo: hp does that afaik |
| 21:47.13 | caphuso | kimo: on their s/390 hardware line :) |
| 21:47.21 | abrotman | kimo: the best thing you can do is to find a model you like .. and research it |
| 21:47.34 | caphuso | althoug that's probably not the right choice for a laptop :-) |
| 21:47.44 | kimo | ok thnx guys |
| 21:47.54 | abrotman | caphuso: a "luggable" :) |
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| 21:49.17 | adamt | how do i reinstall, say, an init-script? |
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| 21:49.25 | caphuso | adamt: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:50.00 | Genghis_ | anyone an idea why APF (firewall) on debian is blocking all outgoing traffic? |
| 21:50.21 | Genghis_ | Its based on iptables and iptable -L gives me this on outgoing: |
| 21:50.29 | abrotman | debhelper: prepare! |
| 21:50.34 | Genghis_ | ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | darn |
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| 21:52.03 | adamt | caphuso: thank you |
| 21:52.14 | adamt | now mysql actually starts =) |
| 21:52.27 | valdyn | Genghis_: is it blocking all outgoing packets coming from localhost? |
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| 21:52.39 | Genghis_ | valdyn: yeah |
| 21:53.51 | sonyman|work | Can anyone help me get my MX700 fully working in Debian Etch? |
| 21:54.07 | valdyn | sonyman: that is an nvidia card? |
| 21:54.17 | sonyman | valdyn, yes |
| 21:54.33 | valdyn | sonyman: and what did you try to get it to run? |
| 21:54.45 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 21:54.49 | sonyman | valdyn, err...I'm using an nvidia card rather, mx700 is a mouse |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | dpkg is not giving out info |
| 21:55.03 | sonyman | valdyn, sorry bout that |
| 21:55.35 | valdyn | sonyman: should work like any other mouse, just not all 10 buttons ( if it is that one ) |
| 21:55.40 | sonyman | my scrollwheel won't work, and neither will the backwards/forwards buttons |
| 21:55.48 | sonyman | I need the scrollwheel to work at least |
| 21:55.55 | valdyn | !drxx sonyman |
| 21:55.56 | dpkg | sonyman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:56.37 | valdyn | sonyman: activate scrollwheel there, if that doesnt do it, i dont know |
| 21:56.48 | sonyman | valdyn, what should I set in the config file? The only mouse options I got in xserver-xfree86 were emulate3buttons and something else unrelated |
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| 21:57.05 | valdyn | sonyman: you got asked if you wanted to use a scrollwheel |
| 21:57.32 | newbie_ | running sarge/apache2 -- how do I install perl (cgi, fcntl and file modules) the correct way? |
| 21:57.35 | valdyn | sonyman: which would have added Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 21:57.41 | sonyman | valdyn, I don't remember it asking me |
| 21:58.27 | sonyman | valdyn, If I add that, it should work? |
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| 21:59.50 | penguin__ | How long before Openoffice 2.0? |
| 21:59.56 | sonyman | valdyn, do I need to restart x now? |
| 22:00.06 | SimonRaven | it's ready already |
| 22:00.14 | Eulex | penguin__, negative time |
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| 22:01.23 | penguin__ | in testing |
| 22:01.41 | Eulex | !why is openoffice.org not in testing |
| 22:01.42 | dpkg | openoffice.org is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
| 22:02.05 | wang | hello |
| 22:02.12 | Eulex | penguin__, in short, not until the c++ transition is over |
| 22:02.21 | abrotman | penguin__: we went over this .. what YESTERDAY ? |
| 22:02.23 | penguin__ | I have openoffice.org |
| 22:02.29 | abrotman | penguin__: go ask #debian-oo |
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| 22:02.44 | penguin__ | Im confused |
| 22:02.45 | azeem | abrotman: you are mean |
| 22:02.54 | wang | agreed |
| 22:02.54 | abrotman | azeem: i just explained this to him like two days ago |
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| 22:03.00 | azeem | heh |
| 22:03.17 | azeem | penguin__: what are you confused about? |
| 22:03.18 | penguin__ | openoffice.org is not in testing? |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | maybe he should file bugs that it's not in testing! .. OMGXXXZZ world ending! |
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| 22:03.27 | azeem | penguin__: not openoffice.org2, anyway |
| 22:03.29 | Tchiak | azeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem |
| 22:03.48 | abrotman | azeem: if that highlights you .. there's trouble! |
| 22:03.55 | azeem | nope :) |
| 22:04.07 | SimonRaven | how is saying "we went over this .. what YESTERDAY ?" mean? |
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| 22:04.14 | penguin__ | so openoffice.org is in testing just not OO 2.0? |
| 22:04.14 | blondie | openoffice.org IS is in testing |
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| 22:04.20 | blondie | yes |
| 22:04.23 | blondie | -is |
| 22:04.27 | wang | SimonRaven : i think we were being facetious |
| 22:04.29 | abrotman | penguin__: OO2 is NOT in testing .. you and i discussed this two days ago |
| 22:04.34 | Mawrick | quit |
| 22:04.44 | penguin__ | Just wondering if any new news. |
| 22:04.47 | SimonRaven | oh ok :) |
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| 22:04.54 | azeem | penguin__: did you hear about the backport? |
| 22:04.55 | Eulex | abrotman, what about automatically filing bugs about every new release that's not in testing? such nice chaos that would generate |
| 22:05.02 | Tchiak | is OO.85' |
| 22:05.04 | penguin__ | Ive been upgrading everyday hoping to see OO 2.0 |
| 22:05.09 | abrotman | !sarge oo2 |
| 22:05.14 | abrotman | !oo2 sarge |
| 22:05.19 | azeem | penguin__: you can easily check for yourself each day at http://packages.debian.org/openoffice.org |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | oh ffs .. i give up .. |
| 22:05.21 | wang | what's so special about oo2? |
| 22:05.28 | abrotman | wang: it is badger-powered |
| 22:05.35 | wang | ah |
| 22:05.47 | penguin__ | Base!!!!! |
| 22:05.49 | azeem | !info oo2 sarge |
| 22:05.52 | abrotman | oh ffs .. dpkg just totally died |
| 22:05.55 | azeem | oh whatever |
| 22:05.56 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 22:06.17 | jw | Is there any chance to recover from a missing ext3 superblock? |
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| 22:06.28 | azeem | abrotman: so it is not your bot-fu that let's you down |
| 22:06.35 | azeem | :) |
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| 22:06.37 | SimonRaven | yes. there are several superblocks |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | azeem: no .. |
| 22:06.49 | bobbens | how does one get around to recompiling glibc to use UTF-8 locales, or is it not needed? |
| 22:06.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg died |
| 22:07.00 | azeem | bobbens: no |
| 22:07.07 | azeem | bobbens: dpkg-reconfigure lcoales |
| 22:07.09 | azeem | eh |
| 22:07.12 | azeem | bobbens: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:07.22 | SimonRaven | bobbens: not needed. ^^^ |
| 22:07.26 | bobbens | azeem, yeah i got that, yet for some reason thunderbird gives me a libc error with current setting |
| 22:07.27 | jw | so, how do I recover from another superblock? |
| 22:07.35 | bobbens | and it segfaults |
| 22:07.45 | azeem | bobbens: recompiling libc won't help |
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| 22:07.51 | wang | mmm friday |
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| 22:08.02 | bobbens | azeem, any suggestions then to get it working? really need it |
| 22:08.17 | Farris1 | Does anyone know how to get libapache2-mod-auth-pam to authenticate NIS users? I can get it to auth local users, but not NIS |
| 22:08.26 | azeem | bobbens: your best bet is to paste the thunderbird error message to a paste site and tell us about it |
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| 22:08.49 | bobbens | azeem, i got it saved, ill post the debug stuff on my site in a sec |
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| 22:09.45 | bobbens | azeem, http://bobbens.dyndns.org/temp/thunderbird.debug |
| 22:09.51 | wang | can i print from a debian machine to a pritner connected to a windows 2000 box that has a shared printer? |
| 22:09.57 | wang | or do i need to make my debian box a print server |
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| 22:10.02 | Durin | jw: man e2fsck |
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| 22:10.25 | azeem | wang: well, you need CUPS AFAIK |
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| 22:10.38 | azeem | wang: whether that makes it a print server is open for discussion I guess |
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| 22:11.16 | abrotman | !kill the damn spam bots |
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| 22:11.28 | SerajewelKS | !ops 154.Red-217-126-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net is joinflooding |
| 22:11.28 | wang | what the hell is going on |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: try @ops or ~ops |
| 22:11.50 | SerajewelKS | ~ops 154.Red-217-126-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net is joinflooding (and dpkg died!!!1) |
| 22:11.51 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: 154.Red-217-126-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net is joinflooding (and dpkg died!!!1) |
| 22:11.51 | wang | or /msg lilo HELP |
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| 22:11.57 | SerajewelKS | =) |
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| 22:12.28 | wang | so wait i should try to get this printer installed on the debian box and just run a priont server? |
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| 22:12.32 | wel | Greetings to all |
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| 22:12.46 | SerajewelKS | ~ops 81.214.18.160 is also joinflooding |
| 22:12.47 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: 81.214.18.160 is also joinflooding |
| 22:12.55 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@*154.Red-217-126-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by LoRez |
| 22:13.02 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 22:13.06 | bobbens | damn all the flooders are from the same host i am |
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| 22:13.24 | wang | how convenient |
| 22:13.38 | newbie_ | running sarge/apache2 -- how do I install perl (cgi, fcntl and file modules) the correct way? |
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| 22:13.57 | wel | hi Im interested on developing drivers where could I find info on this? |
| 22:14.13 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
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| 22:14.18 | SerajewelKS | bobbens: same ISP yeah.. not same host |
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| 22:14.37 | bobbens | SerajewelKS, yeah, what i meant to say |
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| 22:14.44 | wel | abotman thanks i didnt list because i was afraid that it was to big |
| 22:14.45 | bobbens | SerajewelKS, horrible ISP anyways |
| 22:14.47 | streuner | bobbens: if it would be from the same host, you wouldn't prolly see this message... |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | gah .. i'm a bot! |
| 22:14.51 | SerajewelKS | bobbens: lol |
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| 22:15.09 | abrotman | wel: it is pretty big .. but yes .. #kernel does exist .. they might know some resources for you |
| 22:15.20 | wel | abrotman thanks |
| 22:15.20 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 22:15.37 | azeem | bobbens: that backtrace is rather unspecific |
| 22:15.44 | maxthor82 | hali |
| 22:15.46 | azeem | bobbens: really hard to tell from that |
| 22:15.55 | maxthor82 | van magyar is? |
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| 22:15.59 | bobbens | azeem, new to debugging if you can help me out i can try other things |
| 22:16.01 | azeem | bobbens: perhaps you can try "LANG=C thunderbird" |
| 22:16.08 | SimonRaven | oh here we go again |
| 22:16.17 | abrotman | maxthor82: cows! |
| 22:16.17 | azeem | bobbens: nah, it's just that there is no debugging info in the binaries |
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| 22:16.45 | SimonRaven | bobbens: btw, might be that one of the locale files got corrupted, might want to rebuild them (using dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
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| 22:17.12 | tru64 | hi, does Debian has rexecd? |
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| 22:17.35 | bobbens | SimonRaven, i must have recompiled them like 5 times in the last hour :P |
| 22:17.50 | wang | anyone mind taking a look-see at http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2004/06/0024.html and tell me how to get that ball rollin, i have the same printer but don't really know where to start or what to read |
| 22:17.55 | bobbens | azeem, nah it still segfaults |
| 22:18.07 | azeem | tru64: packages.debian.org has a search feature for packages and files |
| 22:18.19 | azeem | bobbens: I am out of advise, sorry |
| 22:18.19 | bobbens | azeem, also have same problem with binaries from mozilla.org both 1.0.7 and 1.5rc1 |
| 22:18.46 | SimonRaven | bobbens: hrm, ok |
| 22:18.58 | bobbens | azeem, i seem to be able to get it working if i set my locales as ja_JP.eucJP before starting up fluxbox |
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| 22:21.53 | sonyman | whats the equivalent of file-roller for kde? |
| 22:22.10 | SimonRaven | ark i think? |
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| 22:22.39 | sonyman | SimonRaven, thats the one! Thanks :-) |
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| 22:24.00 | maxthor82 | im a little newbie! where i can downloading Redhat? and wich is a correct,or up to dated version? |
| 22:24.06 | SerajewelKS | mmbop do bop ba doo-bap.. dooby dop ba mmbop.. |
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| 22:24.15 | SerajewelKS | maxthor82: #redhat |
| 22:24.24 | eeyore- | the ck-patch is pretty effective at preventing dips into swap ... i have one machine out on the net that's been up for 169 days serving downloads and it hasn't dipped into swap, yet :-) 2GB of memory helped too, i suppose |
| 22:24.31 | maxthor82 | opsz |
| 22:24.33 | SerajewelKS | maxthor82: in case you didn't know, debian is not redhat |
| 22:24.34 | maxthor82 | :D sorry |
| 22:24.43 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 22:24.46 | maxthor82 | okay, i know :S |
| 22:24.47 | edrin | hi |
| 22:25.03 | edrin | where to turn off imaps and imap2 ?? |
| 22:25.14 | eeyore- | edrin: turn off or uninstall? |
| 22:25.17 | edrin | or set them to only my lan interface? |
| 22:25.21 | maxthor82 | thanks. bye all |
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| 22:25.44 | edrin | eeyore-: turn of, meaning dont let ppl from inet connect to it |
| 22:25.55 | eeyore- | edrin: that would depend on your software |
| 22:26.36 | edrin | i have a default debian system... there are many services running: |
| 22:26.37 | eeyore- | edrin: you would find out whether your software can bind to specific address as opposed to "all" (*) |
| 22:26.38 | edrin | tcp 0 0 *:imaps *:* LISTEN |
| 22:26.42 | edrin | tcp 0 0 *:imap2 *:* LISTEN |
| 22:26.46 | edrin | tcp 0 0 localhost.locald:sunrpc *:* LISTEN |
| 22:26.49 | valdyn | edrin: that is not default |
| 22:26.50 | edrin | tcp 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN |
| 22:26.54 | edrin | tcp 0 0 *:629 *:* LISTEN |
| 22:26.58 | edrin | tcp 0 0 *:ipp *:* LISTEN |
| 22:27.00 | blondie | spam |
| 22:27.01 | valdyn | edrin: and stop pasting |
| 22:27.02 | edrin | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN |
| 22:27.02 | eeyore- | edrin: no, you would have had to install imaps package |
| 22:27.06 | edrin | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdoma:602 *:* LISTEN |
| 22:27.10 | blondie | edrin: stfu |
| 22:27.10 | edrin | tcp 0 0 *:7741 *:* LISTEN |
| 22:27.14 | edrin | udp 0 0 *:talk *:* |
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| 22:27.15 | dusk | stap |
| 22:27.19 | eeyore- | edrin: OK, your newbieness is showing :-) |
| 22:27.26 | RichiH | edrin: please tell me when you are done pasting |
| 22:27.57 | eeyore- | edrin: first, find out the process that's got those ports opened. if it's just inetd, well, they may very well do nothing unless you have the associated services |
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| 22:28.20 | sn00p | How do I compress a entire directory including sub directories using tar I read man I cant figure it out |
| 22:28.36 | bowman | sn00p: tar cvzf filename.tgz * |
| 22:28.38 | wel | abrotman thanks I found quality help on #kernel |
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| 22:29.01 | sn00p | bowman do I need to be in the directory? |
| 22:29.05 | bowman | sn00p: yep |
| 22:29.20 | sn00p | it will do everything and not just the root? |
| 22:29.20 | bowman | sn00p: directory recursion is the default behaviour for tar |
| 22:29.26 | bowman | sn00p: yep |
| 22:29.28 | sn00p | oh |
| 22:29.32 | levander | How damn long does it take to compile the kernel? It's been running half an hour on a dual processor, pentium iii 550 already. |
| 22:29.33 | sn00p | I read the wrong command then |
| 22:29.40 | RichiH | edrin: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:29.46 | dusk | levander hours |
| 22:29.49 | bowman | levander: days, weeks... ;) |
| 22:29.58 | abrotman | wel: good for you! |
| 22:30.04 | SerajewelKS | laveit took about three-four hours on my 766 |
| 22:30.13 | SerajewelKS | levander* |
| 22:30.21 | sn00p | bowman th anks it worked |
| 22:30.23 | levander | thanks guys, now I know not to wait around for it to finish |
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| 22:30.31 | bowman | sn00p: you're welcome |
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| 22:30.52 | levander | i vaguely remember that when RAM got cheap it was taking like 30 minutes to compile the whole thing |
| 22:31.14 | levander | before that, the problem was that you swapped so much, it just took forever |
| 22:31.19 | valdyn | levander: drivers are the biggest part, the more of those you compile, the longer it takes |
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| 22:31.38 | levander | yeah, i guess there's just loads more drivers than back then |
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| 22:34.00 | luisito | hello people |
| 22:34.21 | wang | hello luisito |
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| 22:34.57 | Tortel | laa |
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| 22:36.48 | Passion | vsem privetik |
| 22:36.53 | wang | mkdir moms |
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| 22:38.43 | wang | df -h |
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| 22:39.00 | wang | ls |
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| 22:39.07 | thorie_ | hello... i can ping internet IPs and i have entries in /etc/resolv.conf -- but i still can't ping/resolve www.google.com -- any ideas why? |
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| 22:39.27 | luisito | wang, can you tell me if your mail CLI is on the /bin dir please? |
| 22:39.33 | spielmann | shit! When trying to encrypt an outgoing E-Mail message with Evolution, I get the error message "broken pipe". But if I send it to myself, it can encrypt it! wtf :( any hints? |
| 22:39.41 | SimonRaven | thorie_: pick different nameservers |
| 22:39.47 | thorie_ | SimonRaven: ok |
| 22:39.47 | azeem | thorie_: maybe the nameservers you specified don't answer you? |
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| 22:40.24 | thorie_ | ahh okay it works now, thanks guys! |
| 22:40.46 | valdyn | spielmann: you have the public key of your destination? |
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| 22:41.39 | spielmann | valdyn, yes I do. With Mozilla-Thunderbird it works flawlessly :( |
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| 22:42.11 | blondie | what's with this: |
| 22:42.12 | blondie | W: GPG error: http://kronos testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 22:42.15 | blondie | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:42.31 | blondie | (doing apt-get update...) |
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| 22:43.18 | letrix | hello |
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| 22:43.41 | letrix | this a english irc chan ?¿? |
| 22:43.43 | SimonRaven | blondie: /msg dpkg apt key |
| 22:43.48 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 22:43.52 | letrix | ups |
| 22:44.00 | letrix | no colors :-) |
| 22:44.08 | blondie | dpkg isn't talking |
| 22:44.14 | druke | I am having trouble finding a guide on how to install debian from a boot disk, I have a rather old pc which i'm trying to delete windows (95) and put a simple command line of debian or any kind fo linux |
| 22:44.16 | SimonRaven | feh |
| 22:44.25 | SimonRaven | dpkg: wake up |
| 22:44.40 | SimonRaven | nah, fucked |
| 22:45.31 | Durin | druke: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
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| 22:45.52 | blondie | SimonRaven: do you know what it is? |
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| 22:45.59 | jurka | I can't get sound to work with debian unstable amd64 with the onboard audio from a Tyan S2895. The devices exist and lsmod shows assorted snd_ modules loaded, but I get no output. Ideas? |
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| 22:46.27 | valdyn | jurka: unmute your volume? |
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| 22:46.41 | SimonRaven | blondie: seems like either a false negative or you need to update the db |
| 22:46.51 | blondie | SimonRaven: updating the db is what causes it. |
| 22:46.51 | dannythm | hello everybody |
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| 22:47.07 | dannythm | I have a problem and don't know what is it |
| 22:47.19 | dreamless | http://www.dreamless.dk/XF86Config <--- anyone that can help me get my x config to work properly on my laptop? I need to be able to run 1400x1050, the laptop is a fuijtsu siemens E8010D |
| 22:47.37 | dannythm | my sondcard suddenly stopped working and I don't know why |
| 22:48.02 | dannythm | can someone help me finding out my problem to see if I can fix it? |
| 22:48.05 | SimonRaven | gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.gpg.net --import KEYID && gpg -a --export KEYID | apt-key add -. for the debian ftpmaster key you can fetch it from /usr/share |
| 22:48.32 | dannythm | I didn't installed anything, yesterday worked, today no sound from debian |
| 22:49.00 | devils_fist | Hi guys. Can I configure the pppoe connection whilst the debian net install, before getting all needed packages? |
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| 22:50.40 | mmu_man | hi there, anyone has an apt source where I could get libdvdcss ? |
| 22:50.52 | azeem | devils_fist: AFAIK, the bigger netinst has the base system and the necessary pppoe packages, so you could configure DSL after installing the base system |
| 22:50.58 | azeem | devils_fist: but I am not sure |
| 22:51.01 | mmu_man | (software patents sux...) |
| 22:51.03 | azeem | !marillat |
| 22:51.07 | azeem | bah |
| 22:51.17 | devils_fist | azeem: thanks |
| 22:51.28 | azeem | mmu_man: google for "marillat libdvdcss" or so I guess |
| 22:51.36 | mmu_man | thx :) |
| 22:51.40 | valdyn | mmu_man: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 22:51.41 | azeem | (assuming you wrote libdvdcss correctly) |
| 22:51.53 | stew | mmu_man: http://dpkg.vireo.org/marillat |
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| 22:52.04 | mmu_man | thx :)) |
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| 22:54.56 | dannythm | can anyone help me findign out what can be my problem? If I knew what is it I'll tell it but.... |
| 22:55.21 | Tortel | what is it? |
| 22:55.29 | valdyn | dannythm: what did you do between sound card working and not working? apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:55.45 | valdyn | dannythm: are you using alsa? |
| 22:55.48 | Tortel | dannythm: try alsaconf |
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| 22:55.55 | valdyn | dannythm: which debian release are you running? |
| 22:55.56 | Tortel | dannythm: check speakers+volume |
| 22:56.05 | Tortel | all I have to say |
| 22:56.43 | dannythm | valdyn: I did nothing |
| 22:56.50 | dannythm | valdyn: that's what's so strange |
| 22:56.55 | Tortel | alsaconf! |
| 22:57.13 | dannythm | Tortel: I cheked the speakers, and them in OSx work fine |
| 22:57.25 | Tortel | alsaconf! |
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| 22:57.29 | dannythm | valdyn: I'm using sarge and I have a VIA AC97 |
| 22:57.35 | Tortel | alsaconf! |
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| 22:58.13 | valdyn | dannythm: paste the output of /proc/asound/devices ( not here, /msg dpkg paste ) |
| 22:58.24 | valdyn | dannythm: s/output/contents/ |
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| 22:58.42 | dannythm | valdyn: ok |
| 22:58.51 | dannythm | quit |
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| 22:59.19 | yashton | hi, i'm setting up debian for the first time, and i'm trying to configure my monitor. i've found the screen resolution panel, but it doesn't go any higher than 800x600. I have a 1024x768 LCD |
| 22:59.33 | fbi | !tell yashton about drxx |
| 22:59.40 | fbi | no dpkg? |
| 22:59.42 | valdyn | !test |
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| 22:59.49 | SimonRaven | it's dead jim |
| 22:59.50 | fbi | yashton: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:00.08 | zerve_the_death | lol |
| 23:00.08 | SimonRaven | haha |
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| 23:00.47 | numist | dpkg -i brain-2.5.4rc3 |
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| 23:01.12 | dannythm | valdyn: sorry I had to change to here |
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| 23:01.22 | dannythm | valdyn: what output did you told me? |
| 23:01.29 | licued2 | real quick, how do you show yhow many files are in a file |
| 23:01.31 | FallOnMe | numist: that package is in non-free. |
| 23:01.34 | valdyn | dannythm: 'cat /proc/asound/devices' |
| 23:01.40 | sifi | how can I find all files in a dir and exclude it's subdir:s? |
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| 23:02.03 | valdyn | sifi: ls -d * |
| 23:02.19 | Eulex | numist, dpkg doesn't perform brain transplantations |
| 23:02.35 | dannythm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.35 | dannythm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.35 | dannythm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.35 | dannythm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:02.37 | licued2 | that dosen't work |
| 23:02.40 | fbi | @hi |
| 23:02.42 | ravenbird | Many greetings, fbi, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 23:02.48 | fbi | what's the trigger for apt |
| 23:02.51 | fbi | apt: hi |
| 23:02.51 | apt | hi |
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| 23:02.58 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 23:03.04 | sussudio | :-P |
| 23:03.05 | fbi | jesus how many fucking bots are in here |
| 23:03.09 | sussudio | !fist dpkg |
| 23:03.13 | fbi | hah |
| 23:03.17 | FallOnMe | ~blaireau |
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| 23:03.22 | zerve_the_death | ~hi |
| 23:03.23 | apt | hello, zerve_the_death |
| 23:03.24 | FallOnMe | Hey! |
| 23:03.27 | numist | Eulex: it did last time I needed a brain |
| 23:03.30 | zerve_the_death | lol |
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| 23:03.33 | numist | guess I have to dpkg -P first |
| 23:03.35 | SimonRaven | ~ |
| 23:03.43 | SimonRaven | fricking lag... |
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| 23:03.53 | yashton | fbi: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
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| 23:03.59 | fbi | yashton: su |
| 23:04.03 | Eulex | numist, must be a patched one |
| 23:04.14 | dannythm | valdyn: sorry I still get a little confused with irssi.....¬¬ |
| 23:04.16 | numist | :/ |
| 23:04.34 | valdyn | !paste |
| 23:04.34 | badgers | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 23:04.45 | dannythm | valdyn: I pasted doing /msg dpkg I think |
| 23:05.07 | dannythm | valdyn: should I paste it in #flood? |
| 23:05.10 | valdyn | dannythm: paste again, not here, in here you get kicked after 4 lines |
| 23:05.16 | valdyn | dannythm: alright |
| 23:05.18 | FallOnMe | numist: Be warned that brain Conflicts and Replaces the package "looks". So you can't have both at the same time. |
| 23:05.56 | numist | FallOnMe: whats looks for? |
| 23:06.02 | dannythm | valdyn: Is pasted in #flood |
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| 23:06.27 | Eulex | FallOnMe, also, "stupid blonde" depends on "looks" and causes irreversible conflicts and damages if coupled with "brains" |
| 23:06.30 | FallOnMe | numist: it makes installations of the opposite gender more compatible. |
| 23:06.31 | valdyn | dannythm: looks good, now unmute your output channels and turn up the volume |
| 23:07.08 | numist | oh I definitely dont need that, I already have the other space on my rack filled :) |
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| 23:07.38 | FallOnMe | The strangest thing is that brain Enhances looks. |
| 23:07.41 | dannythm | valdyn: the volume is up and I think the channels are unmuted.... |
| 23:07.53 | bowman | damnit fscking essolo1. I'm unable to record audio. |
| 23:07.54 | valdyn | dannythm: there's a switch to unmute.. |
| 23:08.04 | valdyn | dannythm: so.. dont 'think', look at that switch |
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| 23:08.44 | dannythm | valdyn: my speakers don't have a swich to mute them, in windows and in osx they work fine |
| 23:09.01 | valdyn | dannythm: no, your software mixer is what im talking about, like alsamixer |
| 23:09.16 | dannythm | valdyn: oh... |
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| 23:09.45 | wang | does samba usually communicate slower with windows machines in regards to sharing files etc? |
| 23:10.03 | FallOnMe | wang: yes. :-| |
| 23:10.04 | yashton | fbi: sweet. thanks |
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| 23:10.17 | FallOnMe | wang: compared to eg. nfs. |
| 23:10.18 | dannythm | valdyn: when I try to use the volume control it tells me "no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
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| 23:10.40 | valdyn | dannythm: which mixer application are you trying to use? |
| 23:10.48 | bucky | hey it works in windows and osx! |
| 23:11.01 | bucky | he doesn't even have alsa installed |
| 23:11.02 | dannythm | valdyn: don't know, the default one that cames with sarge |
| 23:11.08 | bucky | alsaconfig |
| 23:11.22 | bucky | alsaconf |
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| 23:11.30 | valdyn | dannythm: go to a shell, first type 'groups', tell me if you are in the audio group ( which you are i guess ) |
| 23:11.38 | valdyn | dannythm: then run 'alsamixer' in that shell |
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| 23:12.39 | valdyn | bucky: who doesnt have alsa installed? |
| 23:12.42 | andihit | /amsg n8! |
| 23:12.42 | dannythm | valdyn: I just did an apt-get install alsa and it seems that i didn't have it, so I'm installing it |
| 23:12.50 | andihit | n8! |
| 23:12.50 | valdyn | dannythm: ok |
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| 23:13.00 | ZombB | Question: since I am using apt 0.6 I can not update my local apt-build repository (Ign file: apt-build Release.gpg) and some other repositories like deb http://www.le-seb.org/unofficial-debs/ ./ which do not have their release file signed, any hints? |
| 23:13.05 | bucky | <dannythm> valdyn: when I try to use the volume control it tells me "no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
| 23:13.18 | bucky | no modules loaded in the kernel |
| 23:13.22 | valdyn | bucky: oh, he has alsa mixer devices running, just no OSS mixer devices |
| 23:13.32 | valdyn | bucky: so your conclusion is wrong |
| 23:13.39 | dannythm | valdyn: in groups I'm root |
| 23:13.39 | bucky | alsa != oss |
| 23:13.55 | bucky | and if he wants to use aumix he needs alsa-oss |
| 23:13.59 | valdyn | dannythm: ok, well, that's a different problem |
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| 23:14.15 | bowman | fine. no k3b in testing. aaaaah |
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| 23:14.31 | bucky | prolly isnt' even using a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:14.42 | valdyn | dannythm: install alsa,alsa-utils,alsa-base etc, run alsaconf, this should fix itself with that, and after that use your system as a USER that is in the audio group |
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| 23:15.25 | cr3 | anyone happen to know how to convert a midi file to something like asf, ogg, mp3? |
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| 23:15.33 | dannythm | valdyn: I use my system as user but to fix things I log in in a shell beeing root ^^ |
| 23:15.45 | valdyn | dannythm: alright |
| 23:15.57 | sussudio | !test |
| 23:15.57 | dpkg | Sorry, sussudio, I didn't get your test. |
| 23:15.58 | badgers | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 23:16.10 | valdyn | bucky: you're mixing up alot of things |
| 23:16.22 | feross | hey what's the apt-get command to reinstall firefox and all of it's dependencies ? |
| 23:16.23 | bucky | you brought up oss |
| 23:16.27 | valdyn | bucky: he has a 2.6 kernel, alsa-oss is something entirely different than what is needed to use aumix |
| 23:16.54 | bucky | aumix is an oss application and it requires alsa-oss if you want to use it |
| 23:17.01 | bucky | with alsa |
| 23:17.02 | valdyn | bucky: no |
| 23:17.06 | bucky | yup |
| 23:17.19 | dannythm | valdyn: ok, it's fixed... thanks!!! |
| 23:17.19 | valdyn | bucky: geez, run dpkg -L alsa-oss, cant be more obvious |
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| 23:17.36 | dannythm | valdyn: what could have happened? why it got disconfigured? |
| 23:17.49 | valdyn | dannythm: i think you isntalled a new kernel |
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| 23:18.09 | dannythm | valdyn: I didn't did that... I know when I install a new kernel |
| 23:18.10 | bucky | apt-cache show aumix This package should work fine with the OSS compatibility layer of the modern ALSA drivers. |
| 23:18.21 | bucky | ie alsa-oss |
| 23:18.21 | FallOnMe | bucky: you do know about alsa's oss compatibility modules? |
| 23:18.31 | FallOnMe | bucky: alsa-oss is another thing |
| 23:18.34 | valdyn | bucky: yea, the oss compatbility layer is kernel modules, that has nothing to do with alsa-oss |
| 23:18.43 | bucky | wrong |
| 23:18.47 | FallOnMe | apt-cache show alsa-oss |
| 23:19.08 | FallOnMe | a LD_PRELOAD library, by the looks of it. |
| 23:19.12 | bucky | apt-cache show alsa-oss |
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| 23:19.21 | valdyn | bucky: while alsa-oss is a simple script LD_PREOADing something to redirect applications started with it to alsa |
| 23:19.21 | cddesjar | i have a question about backports |
| 23:19.32 | cddesjar | i see that there are some newer 2.6.x kernels on backports.org |
| 23:19.33 | dannythm | quit |
| 23:19.41 | cddesjar | how safe is it really to use a backported kernel? |
| 23:20.11 | bucky | hey it works in windows and osx! |
| 23:20.20 | fbi | cddesjar: uh, what version, and why. |
| 23:21.13 | cddesjar | fbi: well i don't really have a reason to upgrade my kernel...i just noticed that 2.6.14 is up and i was curious if it's pretty unsafe to use this kernel? |
| 23:21.23 | cddesjar | via backports |
| 23:21.43 | netsurf3_ | can anyone help me i need openoffice 2.0 installed and i can't do it with out dependency hell i only have a 1GB partition though |
| 23:21.44 | fbi | cddesjar: if you have no reason for a needing a newer kernel, don't play with anything. |
| 23:21.48 | valdyn | cddesjar: the risk of breaking anything through it might be low, but still to high to risk breaking a running system |
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| 23:22.08 | FallOnMe | cddesjar: The kernel is one of the few things you can safely install from source, circumventing the package system. So using a bacported package should not be any worse than installing it from the source. |
| 23:22.20 | cddesjar | hmm... |
| 23:22.46 | bucky | running sid is safe |
| 23:22.47 | jurka | valdyn, bucky: I've been following this discussion to help with my problems, but I'm not making any progress. When I run alsaconf I get a static/popping noise from my speakers, but nothing comes out of something like aplay. |
| 23:22.59 | cddesjar | bucky: i don't think running sid is safe ;) |
| 23:23.00 | FallOnMe | That said, I've had some problems with 2.6.14 and a particular fiber driver. |
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| 23:23.00 | valdyn | cddesjar: there's not really an improvement to expect if your system works fine |
| 23:23.13 | cddesjar | valdyn: yeah i wasn't going to update..i was just curiuos |
| 23:23.21 | cddesjar | oops upgrade |
| 23:23.22 | nixie | what is the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap? |
| 23:24.01 | valdyn | jurka: rerun aplay: aplay -D hw:0,0 and aplay -D hw:1,0 ( provided your /proc/asound/devices lists these ) |
| 23:24.20 | bucky | jurka: you trying to play an mp3 ? |
| 23:24.29 | jurka | yes |
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| 23:24.35 | Durin | jurka: you are using an amd64 kernel? |
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| 23:24.42 | valdyn | jurka: not what aplay is for |
| 23:24.43 | bucky | jurka: do you have the codecs |
| 23:24.51 | jurka | Durin: yes |
| 23:24.53 | Nach | hi |
| 23:24.55 | feross | hey what's the apt-get command to reinstall firefox and all of it's dependencies ? googled for it but nothing coming up. |
| 23:24.55 | jurka | bucky: don't know |
| 23:24.58 | Nach | i'm new here |
| 23:25.00 | wang | any ideas how I can print from a debian box to a printer connected to a windows box? |
| 23:25.06 | valdyn | jurka: aplay is only to play sound samples |
| 23:25.10 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 23:25.12 | Nach | who speak french here? |
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| 23:25.14 | diana | feross: Why would you wantt to reinstall it? |
| 23:25.17 | cddesjar | !french |
| 23:25.17 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:25.28 | fbi | !hi |
| 23:25.28 | dpkg | hello, fbi |
| 23:25.29 | Nach | salut! |
| 23:25.30 | fbi | yay |
| 23:25.38 | jurka | valdyn: well mpg123 doesn't work either |
| 23:25.39 | Nach | salut dpkg |
| 23:25.40 | Seb | how do I control the mute/unmute/level of a usb audio peripheral (microphone built into a webcam) ? |
| 23:25.42 | FallOnMe | !smite fbi |
| 23:25.45 | feross | diana: it's not working. I was messing around in aptitude and I think I messed some stuff up |
| 23:25.48 | Nach | SALUT DPKG |
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| 23:25.58 | Durin | jurka: i have never got sound working with amd64 (some ioctl error) - finally i stayed with k7 kernel working like a charm |
| 23:26.00 | valdyn | jurka: aplay -D hw:1,0 /usr/share/sounds/some.wav |
| 23:26.05 | diana | feross: run this in command line.. "firefox -safe-mode" |
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| 23:26.16 | valdyn | jurka: but.. first of all i cant help w/o seeing your /proc/asound/devices |
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| 23:26.25 | diana | feross: first killall firefox-bin; killall firefox; |
| 23:26.37 | Nach | salut |
| 23:26.39 | Nach | salut |
| 23:26.51 | jurka | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FFgB6q70.html |
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| 23:27.29 | valdyn | jurka: made sure your sound is unmuted and volume is up? |
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| 23:28.19 | tru64 | hi |
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| 23:28.32 | tru64 | debian has wmaker on the apt? |
| 23:28.38 | feross | diana: yeah that works |
| 23:28.52 | wang | any ideas how I can print from a debian box to a printer connected to a windows box? |
| 23:28.52 | fbi | !info wmaker sarge |
| 23:28.58 | dpkg | wmaker: (NeXTSTEP-like window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.91.0-7.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2222 kB, Installed size: 6068 kB |
| 23:29.05 | jurka | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Uqbxsx70.html |
| 23:29.14 | tru64 | oh ok |
| 23:29.38 | diana | feross: Now go to tools, and click on themes...change the theme to the default, feross then go to extensions in tools, and disable all extensions. |
| 23:29.51 | diana | feross: Then go to this website "about:plugins" |
| 23:29.56 | feross | diana: ahh I see where this is going |
| 23:30.01 | feross | ok |
| 23:30.01 | FallOnMe | wang: if you have cups, setup a samba printer. It's rather straightforward. |
| 23:30.03 | Durin | wang: install cupsys and cofigure printer with smb://... URL |
| 23:30.13 | diana | feross: And see what plugins you are using...either a plugin/theme/extensiono is making firefox not work properly..you have to figure out which one. |
| 23:30.18 | sifi | Let say i'm in /whatever and run ~/.bashrc which run: cd /tmp/; some_commands; how can I then get back to the dir I was before .bashrc was started (/ in this case) |
| 23:30.20 | wang | Durin : thanks |
| 23:30.29 | diana | feross: then once firefox is cleaned out..add one plugin/theme/extension at aa time...and restart each time. |
| 23:30.30 | valdyn | jurka: should be easier if you read 'alsamixer' or whatever yourself |
| 23:30.41 | feross | diana: gotcha thanks |
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| 23:31.02 | SerajewelKS | OT: i've got an idea for a program similar to fakeroot (in that it overrides a system call). something like a userland iptables that will intercept connect() calls and require the user to accept them. is there any good resource online for learning the GNU build utils and how to properly code a .so? |
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| 23:31.17 | diana | SerajewelKS: #debian-devel |
| 23:31.32 | valdyn | jurka: looks ok though, what does 'aplay -D hw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/*wav' do? |
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| 23:31.53 | SerajewelKS | diana: you think they'll really know or are you trying to get rid of me? =P |
| 23:32.04 | diana | SerajewelKS: both |
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| 23:32.13 | SerajewelKS | aww |
| 23:32.43 | Henry_Bean | hello, anybody know if that is in progress a packaging of firefox 1.5? |
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| 23:33.10 | jurka | valdyn: says "Playing WAVE 'cop.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo", but no sound comes out |
| 23:33.35 | fbi | cop.wav ? |
| 23:33.36 | diana | Henry_Bean: woody/sarge/sid/etch? |
| 23:33.39 | valdyn | jurka: which debian release are you on? |
| 23:33.50 | jurka | valdyn: unstable amd64 |
| 23:33.51 | Henry_Bean | diana, unstable |
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| 23:34.07 | diana | Henry_Bean: Give it time..shouldn't be that long. |
| 23:34.09 | valdyn | jurka: install linux-sound-base, pick alsa |
| 23:34.41 | Henry_Bean | diana, xD i'm anxious xD |
| 23:34.49 | Henry_Bean | diana, thanks |
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| 23:37.05 | jurka | valdyn: Already had it installed, dpkg-reconfigure(d) it just to be sure. Letting aplay run a little longer (before ^C) gives: aplay: pcm_write:1222: write error: Input/output error |
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| 23:37.41 | valdyn | jurka: ah, i was suspecting that you have a oss sound driver loaded that is breaking things |
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| 23:38.11 | valdyn | jurka: so let me see your lsmod output |
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| 23:38.49 | cddesjar | how would a find a single file call libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 23:39.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:39.04 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 23:39.05 | streuner | cddesjar: apt-file search foo |
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| 23:39.27 | jurka | valdyn: actually the pcm_write error is showing up only with -D hw:0,0 without it, it seems ok. |
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| 23:39.29 | streuner | cddesjar: packages.debian.org is another possibility |
| 23:39.33 | jurka | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/04SuXi78.html |
| 23:39.47 | valdyn | jurka: try -D hw:0,2 too |
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| 23:39.55 | cievo | hello all.... |
| 23:40.04 | jurka | valdyn: Warning: rate is not accurate (requested = 44100Hz, got = 48000Hz) |
| 23:40.04 | jurka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.08 | cievo | Does anyone have any practice with MCE log ? |
| 23:40.42 | valdyn | jurka: that will make your sound erratic, but audible nonetheless |
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| 23:40.48 | cievo | I have this...crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 227 Dec 3 00:30 /dev/mcelog |
| 23:40.59 | Durin | cddesjar: you need java - look at the package java-package |
| 23:41.01 | cievo | But my mclog says: |
| 23:41.02 | cievo | krasavec:~# mcelog |
| 23:41.02 | cievo | Cannot open /dev/mcelog |
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| 23:41.17 | diana | cievo: apt-get install mcelog |
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| 23:41.40 | cievo | diana :) I have mcelog :) I have divece, but binary says that Cannot opne /dev/mcelog ;) |
| 23:41.42 | valdyn | jurka: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 23:41.54 | toxicosmos | good niiiiiight! |
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| 23:42.09 | valdyn | jurka: uname -r |
| 23:42.33 | jurka | valdyn: 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8-smp http://rafb.net/paste/results/VgRLFX22.html |
| 23:42.41 | nono31 | where can I find updated package for xmule? (in unstable is still 1.10) |
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| 23:42.46 | ctp | hi folks. how to get a list all files belonging to user xyz in my system? i tried to use 'find' for this purposes, but there's no a switch for username. |
| 23:43.09 | Elly | find / -user xyz |
| 23:43.12 | Elly | ? |
| 23:43.17 | tarzeau | ctp: yes there is |
| 23:43.27 | cievo | ctp: man find |
| 23:43.34 | valdyn | jurka: that NVIDIA CK804 is what? |
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| 23:44.58 | selfcontr0l | ok i'm trying to use module-assitant to re-install alsa and it keeps hanging up b/w build and install |
| 23:45.19 | selfcontr0l | the progress bar goes to 0% and i have to ctrl-c out |
| 23:45.42 | selfcontr0l | do i have to quit X before i attempt this? |
| 23:46.25 | valdyn | jurka: this looks like a known driver / chipset bug |
| 23:46.52 | ctp | tarzeau & cievo: sorry. i see now on my debian box, there's a -user switch. asking this question i worked on a tru64 box. so its a tru64 problem i see. thx ;-) |
| 23:47.14 | jurka | valdyn: got a link?, CK804 seems to cover the whole chipset: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kAx7S626.html |
| 23:47.58 | valdyn | jurka: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0505.2/1614.html |
| 23:48.06 | selfcontr0l | oh maybe i was just impatient.... found the -t option and i see it's working |
| 23:48.22 | valdyn | jurka: you could dry getting sound on a different interrupt, if yoru bios supports that. |
| 23:48.30 | blondie | selfcontr0l: remove gag |
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| 23:48.58 | selfcontr0l | blondie: what's gag? |
| 23:49.53 | TummyAcid | hey ive got this really cool card with four ethernet ports in it? they all work but where can i look for info on how to use all four? for fast file copying or soemthing like that |
| 23:50.02 | blondie | selfcontr0l: a thing for making you dumb |
| 23:50.08 | blondie | (where dumb = unable to speak) |
| 23:50.16 | blondie | a gag goes in your mouth to stop you speaking |
| 23:50.21 | selfcontr0l | that's mute isn't it :) |
| 23:50.30 | blondie | only in america |
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| 23:50.41 | blondie | not in proper English |
| 23:51.01 | selfcontr0l | blondie: yes but as a linux newb, gag could be some program preventing me from doing what i want to do :P |
| 23:51.13 | sonyman | what programs do I need to install in order to be able to add a printer? The option is greyed out in kjobviewer |
| 23:51.19 | sonyman | debian etch btw |
| 23:51.39 | tarzeau | sonyman: cups maybe? |
| 23:51.40 | tas-- | sonyman: try cupsys |
| 23:51.46 | selfcontr0l | alsaconf |
| 23:51.48 | Durin | TummyAcid: i think you mean "bonding" |
| 23:51.50 | selfcontr0l | oops |
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| 23:52.06 | sonyman | cupsys-client |
| 23:52.07 | sonyman | ? |
| 23:52.21 | garung | anyone runs firefox 1.5? why i can't kill it? |
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| 23:52.57 | tas-- | sonyman: cupsys is the printer server, where cupsys-client is..err..obviously the client ;-). you may also want cupsys-bsd. |
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| 23:53.35 | valdyn | jurka: im just assuming this is a brand new mainboard with some irc added that breaks the current driver |
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| 23:55.19 | tarzeau | garung: yes i do. i can. |
| 23:55.33 | tarzeau | garung: tried dillo or links2 ? |
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| 23:56.39 | garung | tarzeau, after i pkill firefox it says firefox still running and i need to restart the computer :D |
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| 23:56.57 | Thorrn4 | I have a problem: I just wanted to install KAFFEINE http://rafb.net/paste/results/19hrYX13.html since when does APT-GET go CRAZY?! it wants to delete 107mb of programs (kwin4, k3b, etc...) |
| 23:57.00 | SimonRaven | lemme guess, it zombied |
| 23:57.07 | valdyn | jurka: or you just activated spdif ( which could deactivate your analogue output ), which can be quite annoyingly easy to oversee |
| 23:57.18 | tarzeau | garung: -9 ? |
| 23:57.19 | sonyman | tas--, what do I need for HP printer drivers? |
| 23:57.30 | garung | yes i tried it |
| 23:57.34 | tarzeau | garung: i've also had it lock up here, but using pkill -9 or xkill removed it fine |
| 23:57.37 | SimonRaven | ugh, -9. *shudder* |
| 23:57.48 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: who cares, it's just a broken bloated browser |
| 23:57.55 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 23:57.59 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: if it doesn't play nice without -9 |
| 23:58.01 | garung | oh i see |
| 23:58.05 | blondie|dead | firefox is great |
| 23:58.05 | tarzeau | with |
| 23:58.08 | valdyn | Thorrn4: that's how broken testing or unstable can be.. not apt-get's fault |
| 23:58.09 | blondie|dead | how DARE anyone diss it |
| 23:58.10 | tarzeau | blondie|dead: bullshit |
| 23:58.13 | SimonRaven | yeh, it has issues if it does that |
| 23:58.18 | blondie|dead | tarzeau: pebkac |
| 23:58.21 | jurka | valdyn: it's a tyan s2895 which is relatively new (and probably not used for sound much). It appears I've locked something up now because I get "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave, aplay: main:544: audio open error: Device or resource busy" |
| 23:58.26 | tarzeau | blondie|dead: no, it's crap |
| 23:58.30 | blondie|dead | pebkac |
| 23:58.31 | garung | 1.5 seems not stable for me |
| 23:58.32 | blondie|dead | works fine for me |
| 23:58.32 | sonyman | tas--, hpjis? |
| 23:58.37 | Thorrn4 | valdyn, is there a way to fix that? |
| 23:58.39 | SimonRaven | though i've never - i think - had to do that, myself |
| 23:58.45 | tarzeau | blondie|dead: doesn't for me and a few users |
| 23:58.46 | jurka | valdyn: so you think I should report this to kernel people? |
| 23:58.48 | SimonRaven | not for ff anyway |
| 23:58.58 | blondie|dead | tarzeau: why is it the most popular browser (apart from IE then)? |
| 23:59.06 | tarzeau | blondie|dead: marketing, and stupidity |
| 23:59.12 | garung | thanks for your help tarzeau |
| 23:59.15 | tas-- | sonyman: yes, hpijs, foomatic-filters-ppds, apt-cache search cupsys |
| 23:59.17 | blondie|dead | tarzeau: pebkac on your behalf tbh :) |
| 23:59.23 | sonyman | tas--, thank you |
| 23:59.24 | tarzeau | blondie|dead: bullshit, i disagree |
| 23:59.27 | valdyn | jurka: google your specific PCI ID, then report it to the alsa developers or their bug tracking system |
| 23:59.29 | blondie|dead | you're wrong then. |
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| 23:59.43 | tarzeau | blondie|dead: no i insist i am not wrong |
