| 00:00.06 | pppoe_dude | elephantMan, you probably need to get gpg keys |
| 00:00.07 | abrotman | why does everyone repeat me ? |
| 00:00.22 | De_Mon | abrotman so they can feel smart like you? |
| 00:00.26 | Guerin | De_Mon: oh, at boot time. No idea there, sorry. |
| 00:00.27 | elephantMan | :p |
| 00:00.37 | abrotman | De_Mon: right now . i think i'm getting a sinus infection ... |
| 00:00.41 | De_Mon | imitation is the greatest form of flattery and stuff |
| 00:01.01 | elephantMan | ok cool everyone. But i use to get this more easly. |
| 00:01.01 | jharrison | Nylira: you also need CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y, and CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS_XATTR=y |
| 00:01.06 | elephantMan | Thanx anyway |
| 00:01.10 | Nylira | Those I have |
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| 00:01.44 | De_Mon | Guerin :| I may have to open er up and try a more invasive approach soon |
| 00:01.54 | jharrison | Nylira: where is CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS located? |
| 00:01.57 | CasaNova__ | DAMN I had an hour or more with no lock-- now x locked up again! |
| 00:02.03 | jharrison | Nylira: what section of the kernel menuconfig? |
| 00:02.16 | elephantMan | pppoe_dude, how do i get thoses keys ? |
| 00:02.22 | CasaNova__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.23 | Nylira | 1 sec.. looking for the framebuffer junk |
| 00:02.38 | pppoe_dude | elephantMan, are you getting NOSIG or BADSIG? |
| 00:02.50 | Muffie | abrotman, do you know what can I do? |
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| 00:02.59 | abrotman | ElectricElf: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 00:03.01 | pppoe_dude | elephantMan, go to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1908818#post1908818 , about half way through |
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| 00:03.11 | abrotman | Muffie: get a regular keyboard ? |
| 00:03.20 | Nylira | # Non-8250 serial port support |
| 00:03.21 | elephantMan | pppoe_dude, ok thanx a lot |
| 00:03.22 | abrotman | ElectricElf: not you . obviously :) |
| 00:03.22 | Muffie | abrotman: i dont have any |
| 00:03.30 | pppoe_dude | elephantMan, np |
| 00:03.40 | abrotman | Muffie: try to run it in legacy mode or sometihng |
| 00:04.02 | jharrison | Nylira: where is Non-8250 serial port support? |
| 00:04.04 | CasaNova__ | I really HAve to be able to keep from locking up - but I get no output or messages I can use to figure out why xorg is locking up at 99.8% cpu usage... |
| 00:04.15 | Muffie | All, I want to know is HOW can I, having mounted my root partition |
| 00:04.27 | CasaNova__ | Or does anyone know how I can get xorg to give back cpu without killing it - I had a bunch of apps open.... |
| 00:04.32 | Nylira | i will tell you when I find it in menuconfig.. that was just a grep from .config :) |
| 00:04.42 | abrotman | Muffie: i meant in your BIOS |
| 00:04.48 | jharrison | Nylira: ah ok |
| 00:05.02 | pppoe_dude | how can i not install kde, but install the "desktop" package when installing debian? is there a clean way to do this? |
| 00:05.10 | abrotman | !tell pppoe_dude about install kde |
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| 00:05.23 | servus | CasaNova__: You can try killing whatever application might have caused the trouble in the first place? Firefox has a tendency to start using 99.9% of CPU in Linux |
| 00:05.24 | sifi | pppoe_dude, install different packages |
| 00:05.26 | Nylira | The out of the box kernel doesnt have CONFIG_DEVPTS nyw |
| 00:05.31 | Nylira | btw* |
| 00:05.44 | CasaNova__ | servus: No it's definetly xorg. Been happening since yesterday .... |
| 00:05.49 | CasaNova__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.55 | sifi | pppoe_dude, other* |
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| 00:06.24 | pppoe_dude | ill figure it out |
| 00:06.38 | pppoe_dude | k... away i go, back in about 30mins if everything goes well |
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| 00:07.09 | CasaNova__ | I still keep mouse but cant click and keyboard doesnt respond - I'm sshed into same machine and I can restart gdm to force it to free up but it keeps locking up! |
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| 00:08.23 | elephantMan | Well it doesn't look possible to use mplayer on debian3.1 etch ? |
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| 00:08.37 | elephantMan | Missing dependencies but impossible to install |
| 00:08.42 | elephantMan | by apt |
| 00:08.44 | jharrison | Nylira: also are you sure that you are mounting the / partition and not /boot or something? |
| 00:08.47 | CasaNova__ | elephantMan: No mplayer > I lost vlc but still have mpayer... |
| 00:08.50 | elephantMan | why does it became so complicated ? |
| 00:08.51 | sifi | elephantMan, yes you can |
| 00:08.59 | abrotman | etch isn't 3.1 |
| 00:09.07 | sifi | sarge is |
| 00:09.08 | Nylira | jharrison: Very sure :) |
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| 00:09.12 | jharrison | Nylira: from what I can see online it looks like the problem you are having is a devpts related thing |
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| 00:09.19 | jharrison | Nylira: but im still looking |
| 00:09.20 | elephantMan | abrotman, isn't it a 'testing' version of 3.1 ? |
| 00:09.25 | abrotman | no |
| 00:09.29 | abrotman | !etch |
| 00:09.29 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 00:09.37 | sifi | elephantMan, not since januari |
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| 00:09.47 | Nylira | well the boxed kernel doesnt have devpts either and it runs |
| 00:10.10 | Nylira | whatever the heck devpts is anyways ;P |
| 00:10.13 | gpm | can anyone tell me what this error is all about: mkisofs: Implementation botch. Video pad for file VIDEO_TS.BUP is -16 |
| 00:10.19 | gpm | mkisofs: Either the *.IFO file is bad or you found a mkisofs bug. |
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| 00:10.23 | jharrison | Nylira: you have /dev in your filesystem right? |
| 00:10.33 | jharrison | Nylira: your /etc/fstab is correct? |
| 00:10.39 | Nylira | jharrison: yup and console and null are in it |
| 00:11.13 | quittt | I need to install Skype |
| 00:11.13 | Nylira | jharrison: Also correct.. also checked from the grub boot line that it accessed the correct HD and all |
| 00:11.15 | jharrison | Nylira: and inittab is correct also? |
| 00:11.18 | quittt | where can I get it? |
| 00:11.21 | CasaNova__ | Is there any way to determine what xorg is doing to take up all avialable cpu? I would prefer to not have to recycle X every time.... |
| 00:11.30 | CasaNova__ | I'm locking constantly now.... |
| 00:11.41 | elephantMan | ok thanx all - but i use to have mplayer on my old testing version when stable was 3.0 |
| 00:11.49 | jharrison | Nylira: and you have run lspci and made sure that your kernel is configured to support everything listed? |
| 00:11.57 | Nylira | yes |
| 00:12.12 | Nylira | and everything now in it is in the new kernel as well |
| 00:12.19 | elephantMan | but i can't read docs for hours just to get a video player...and i am shure i am not the only one in that case |
| 00:12.39 | sifi | quittt, www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ |
| 00:12.39 | jharrison | Nylira: so what is the difference between the customer kernel and the debian kernel? |
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| 00:12.56 | jharrison | Nylira: did you do a diff on the two configs to see what the differences are? |
| 00:13.10 | Nylira | The jharrison: The UNIT98PTY support is under the Character devices btw |
| 00:13.26 | Nylira | the UNIX98PTY |
| 00:13.51 | jharrison | Nylira: I know its in there but I cant find it on my system |
| 00:13.53 | jharrison | Nylira: not sure why |
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| 00:14.05 | jharrison | Nylira: I see legacy BSD PTY support though |
| 00:14.14 | Nylira | Its right above that |
| 00:14.16 | quittt | libqt3c102-mt Skype says that I need that LIBRARY |
| 00:14.19 | Nylira | un my menuconfig |
| 00:14.21 | quittt | but I dont havei it!! |
| 00:14.28 | shingouz | quittt: get the deb of skype |
| 00:14.41 | Daveman | rofl |
| 00:15.08 | jharrison | Nylira: it does not seem to exist in my sources |
| 00:15.11 | quittt | libqt3c102-mt |
| 00:15.14 | shingouz | quittt: in other words, get the version that is meant to be used on debian (or debian based distros...) |
| 00:15.14 | quittt | it IS NOT there |
| 00:15.16 | jharrison | Nylira: however it is in my .config |
| 00:15.16 | xevious | is there a program for managing runlevels in debian or do you edit /etc/rc*.d manually? |
| 00:15.25 | quittt | I use etch |
| 00:15.25 | Nylira | and yes I checked difference (what a pain in the ass that was) and as far as I can tell the main difference is that I now added some stuff default to the kernel |
| 00:15.29 | Nylira | like SCSI support |
| 00:15.59 | shingouz | quittt: the one for ubuntu, mepis.... (hint hint) |
| 00:16.03 | jharrison | Nylira: you mean you built it into the kernel instead of as modules? |
| 00:16.08 | Nylira | yes |
| 00:16.14 | Nylira | I run ful scsi |
| 00:16.21 | Nylira | So yes |
| 00:16.22 | eshep | does anyone have knowledge on an ss20 |
| 00:16.22 | jharrison | Nylira: why are you building a customer kernel that is like the debian package? |
| 00:16.29 | Nylira | sigh |
| 00:16.30 | quittt | shingouz, it is the same package |
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| 00:16.54 | Nylira | Well its really simple.. the first build that I did was a lot different |
| 00:16.57 | shingouz | quittt: and that package does not function as it should? |
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| 00:17.09 | Nylira | currently I am building something NEARLY identical just to see if it works |
| 00:17.19 | Nylira | When it WORKS I can go on build the actual kernel I want |
| 00:17.36 | Nylira | for now I just want to be able to build a custom kernel that actually boots with the main options I want |
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| 00:17.43 | quittt | shingouz, yes |
| 00:17.45 | Nylira | after that I can work on removing excess junk |
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| 00:17.55 | quittt | it does work |
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| 00:18.15 | Nylira | After two weeks I went from totally clean start to try and reverse engineering the differences just so I can figure out where the problem is |
| 00:18.37 | Nylira | Systematic problem elimination.. but so far no solution yet |
| 00:18.46 | jharrison | Nylira: oh ok you are doing this as a troubleshooting exercise |
| 00:18.50 | jharrison | Nylira: I understand |
| 00:18.51 | shingouz | quittt: so you have skype there and it works then? |
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| 00:19.09 | CasaNova__ | OK this is ridiculous. I had about 15 seconds before x locked up again at 99%! What in the heck can I try? |
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| 00:19.20 | quittt | shingouz, yes it is working |
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| 00:19.26 | quittt | but it says that it needs dependencies |
| 00:19.27 | quittt | =/ |
| 00:19.30 | quittt | strange |
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| 00:19.35 | jharrison | Nylira: any chance I can see your .config? |
| 00:19.36 | CasaNova__ | Is 2.6.12-1-686 latest kernel in etch? |
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| 00:20.07 | xevious | how long should i wait here before repeating a question? |
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| 00:20.12 | xevious | admittedly a simple question |
| 00:20.17 | ma3x | ERROR: Removing 'eth1394': Device or resource busy |
| 00:20.17 | shingouz | quittt: install them in that case. the skype deb is done and packaged by skype, we have nothing to do with it :( |
| 00:20.19 | ma3x | how do i find out what's using it? |
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| 00:20.19 | Nylira | sure give me a second |
| 00:20.23 | jharrison | xevious: at least 48 hours |
| 00:20.30 | quittt | I know |
| 00:20.33 | xevious | jharrison: super |
| 00:20.35 | jharrison | xevious: just kidding |
| 00:20.45 | quittt | shingouz, those depedencies arent in suppository |
| 00:20.48 | ma3x | hello |
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| 00:21.13 | jharrison | xevious: if no one answered you its probably because a) no one noticed or b) no one knows the answer to your question |
| 00:21.15 | bucky | shingouz which version of debian did you install that skype package on? |
| 00:21.24 | xevious | jharrison: so do i just manually manage /etc/rc*.d/ or is there a debian specific program that manages it at the console? it's trying to boot to XDM and xorg doesnt behave on my laptop. (i'm in recovery mode right now, ssh'ed to my server) |
| 00:21.28 | ma3x | HOW do i know what's using eth1394? |
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| 00:21.32 | ma3x | I can't modprobe -r it |
| 00:21.34 | ma3x | or rmmod |
| 00:21.34 | shingouz | bucky: me? i have it on sid but that is beside the point |
| 00:21.38 | ma3x | it's not answering |
| 00:21.48 | jharrison | xevious: so what do you want to do? |
| 00:22.04 | jharrison | xevious: disable xdm? |
| 00:22.18 | xevious | jharrison: yeah. just remove it from the rc*.d directories? |
| 00:22.25 | bucky | shingouz no that is not beside the point because libqt3c102-mt is not in sarge afaik |
| 00:22.26 | jharrison | xevious: you can use update-rc.d for that |
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| 00:22.36 | xevious | jharrison: that was what i was looking for |
| 00:22.38 | jharrison | xevious: something like update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 00:22.41 | xevious | thanks |
| 00:22.48 | jharrison | xevious: welcome |
| 00:22.56 | xevious | i may be back :D |
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| 00:23.11 | shingouz | bucky: could very well be. if it is not there and quittt is trying to make skype work on sarge, s/he should install the dependency manually |
| 00:24.02 | Nylira | jharrison: I can mail the .config to you if you can drop me an email in a query.. dcc send seems to be quirky again |
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| 00:24.21 | ma3x | ERROR: Removing 'eth1394': Device or resource busy |
| 00:24.21 | ma3x | ERROR: Removing 'ohci1394': Device or resource busy ERROR: Module sbp2 is in use ERROR: Module ieee1394 is in use by eth1394,ohci1394,sbp2 |
| 00:24.25 | ma3x | What do I do? |
| 00:24.28 | jharrison | Nylira: you cannot post it on a website? |
| 00:24.34 | shingouz | ma3x: sounds like firewire |
| 00:24.38 | gpm | can anyone tell me what this error is all about: mkisofs: Implementation botch. Video pad for file VIDEO_TS.BUP is -16 |
| 00:24.43 | ma3x | shingouz, yeah! how do i unload it? |
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| 00:24.51 | bucky | according to www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages libqt3c102-mt is in sarge but not testing or unstable |
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| 00:25.09 | ke6isf | !info libqt3c102-mt |
| 00:25.17 | ke6isf | !info libqt3c102-mt sarge |
| 00:25.21 | dpkg | libqt3c102-mt: (Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2973 kB, Installed size: 7428 kB |
| 00:25.26 | ke6isf | !info libqt3c102-mt etch |
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| 00:25.37 | shingouz | ma3x: try removing the stuff that uses it first? |
| 00:25.43 | jharrison | Nylira: you can paste it on http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 00:25.49 | ke6isf | bucky: Perhaps it's included in something else? |
| 00:25.52 | ma3x | shingouz, it doesnt work! |
| 00:25.57 | jharrison | Nylira: then just give me the link |
| 00:26.11 | ke6isf | ma3x: lsof? |
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| 00:26.44 | jharrison | I really should do some coding |
| 00:26.52 | ma3x | ke6isf: doesnt show anything either |
| 00:26.55 | bucky | ke6isf: i think that package was replaced with something else.. with a new api, i just wondered which version of debian that skype deb was for.. just out of curiosity |
| 00:26.59 | jharrison | oh wait im compiling kernels |
| 00:27.26 | shingouz | bucky: i wonder if skype themselves know... :p |
| 00:27.35 | bucky | good question |
| 00:27.44 | jharrison | Nylira: let me know what the deal is when you are ready |
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| 00:27.50 | Nylira | opsting now |
| 00:27.55 | Nylira | posting* |
| 00:27.58 | sfullenwider | is there a way to remove nautilus without removing gnome? |
| 00:27.58 | jharrison | Nylira: ok |
| 00:28.08 | sfullenwider | It keeps screwing up my background |
| 00:28.10 | jharrison | sfullenwider: doubt it |
| 00:28.15 | Nylira | http://rafb.net/paste/results/xtkcrx17.html |
| 00:28.18 | jharrison | sfullenwider: but I dont know cause I dont use gnome |
| 00:28.21 | ma3x | should I now really reboot to solve this damn firewire problem |
| 00:28.21 | ke6isf | sfullenwider: You can force the removal by ignoring the dependencies, but that's a Really Bad Idea, as it would otherwise break gnome. Why? |
| 00:28.49 | ma3x | I thought I would never have to reboot debian |
| 00:28.50 | ke6isf | ma3x: Only thing it would hurt is your uptime. |
| 00:28.50 | sfullenwider | kreg: it keeps loading somehow, I guess being called by something else, and screwing up my background image. |
| 00:28.54 | sfullenwider | meh |
| 00:29.10 | ma3x | ke6isf, yeah, but why not fix it this way? |
| 00:29.12 | CasaNova__ | When I run the nvidia oneline I always get an error that /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 comtains unconfigured kernel source but i have 2.6.12 kernel - are my links wrong or waht? |
| 00:29.16 | ma3x | I mean is it so not solvable? |
| 00:29.17 | kreg | sfullenwider, k, i'll check it out |
| 00:29.20 | jharrison | Nylira: also paste the debian version of the config |
| 00:29.28 | jharrison | Nylira: I dont have any copies of the debian ones |
| 00:29.42 | jharrison | Nylira: just paste it in a separate thing and send the link |
| 00:29.46 | sfullenwider | It's a system hog anyway |
| 00:29.51 | ke6isf | sfullenwider: How are you achieving this? What steps are you taking to reproduce the problem? And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:30.19 | sfullenwider | Using stable, and it just loads, I have no idea what is calling it. I do NOT run it (ie start it up) in the menu |
| 00:30.19 | Nylira | ? |
| 00:30.34 | ke6isf | sfullenwider: Is this when X starts? |
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| 00:30.49 | sfullenwider | kevor: no, that's just it, it's not running when X starts. |
| 00:30.56 | sfullenwider | meh, again |
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| 00:31.04 | Nylira | ah the boxed one |
| 00:31.06 | jharrison | Nylira: the debian package config |
| 00:31.07 | jharrison | Nylira: yeah |
| 00:31.08 | ke6isf | sfullenwider: So it just spontaneously starts? =O.o= |
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| 00:31.42 | sfullenwider | ke6isf: well, I've been running firefox, thunderbird, cdrecord, mkisofs, and xchat with this reboot. |
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| 00:32.23 | sfullenwider | ke6isf: My only guess is that when I click on a link in thunderbird to get it to load in firefox it might start up then and I just don't notice it because the window is covering up the background. |
| 00:32.33 | Domingos | Fala |
| 00:32.44 | Domingos | Tem alguma garota ai ????????? |
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| 00:32.58 | shingouz | !br |
| 00:32.58 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:33.03 | ke6isf | shingouz: You missed. |
| 00:33.10 | shingouz | i did? |
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| 00:33.21 | ke6isf | shingouz: Yeah, he dropped off right after posting that line. |
| 00:33.22 | shingouz | true... damn |
| 00:33.23 | sfullenwider | 1000 17945 0.0 4.3 28960 16924 ? Sl 15:13 0:10 nautilus --no-default-window -no-desktop /home/sfullenwider |
| 00:33.33 | shingouz | i need more sugar and caffeine |
| 00:33.38 | Nylira | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ul17bn83.html |
| 00:33.38 | sfullenwider | MEH! I HATE YOU NAUTILUS! |
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| 00:34.16 | ke6isf | sfullenwider: I'd have to be at the box to see it. Might ask the Gnome community on this one. Sorry. =/ |
| 00:34.27 | sfullenwider | /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnome-vfs-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OA <- wth is that? |
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| 00:35.34 | sfullenwider | is there a way to see what started a process? |
| 00:35.36 | xevious | jharrison: thanks for pointing me towards update-rc.d |
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| 00:35.53 | xevious | jharrison: it's not fun having a laptop that crashes if you try to boot it up |
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| 00:37.21 | jharrison | xevious: no problem |
| 00:37.29 | Servo888 | Ok cat /dev/ttyS0 returns "cat: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error" Is it being used or something? |
| 00:38.33 | jharrison | Nylira: where did you get this debian boxed .config from? |
| 00:38.37 | jharrison | Nylira: are you running sid? |
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| 00:39.02 | Nylira | debian unstable |
| 00:39.16 | jharrison | Nylira: ok |
| 00:39.23 | Nylira | and I get this from the apt-get pulling headers |
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| 00:39.56 | CasaNova__ | Ok now my X is locking up almost instantly just after restarting gdm... |
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| 00:40.48 | jharrison | Nylira: have you been editing .config by hand? |
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| 00:41.14 | Nylira | nope |
| 00:41.51 | jharrison | Nylira: are you sure? cause it looks like you have some options that are set but they depend on options that are not set |
| 00:42.09 | bucky | CasaNova__: what's your video card? |
| 00:42.30 | Nylira | yes I am very sure |
| 00:42.33 | xevious | ok |
| 00:42.44 | xevious | lspci disappeared somewhere along the lines |
| 00:42.53 | jharrison | Nylira: what procedure are you using to compile this new kernel |
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| 00:44.10 | CasaNova__ | bucky: nvidia GT6400 I believe |
| 00:44.21 | Nylira | edit the thing with make menuconfig when needed, make-kpkg --revision=1.0custom kernel-image |
| 00:44.33 | jharrison | Nylira: I am most interested in the ways you use the .config file. For example do you copy the debian boxed .config into the 2.6.14.3 source directory and then edit it? Or do you just start from scratch with 2.6.14.3 sources with no .config? |
| 00:44.33 | Nylira | then install the new debian package with dpkg |
| 00:44.37 | CasaNova__ | bucky: not a single problem til yesterday now x freezes and uses 99% cpu after a very short time.... |
| 00:44.49 | Nylira | I have done both |
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| 00:44.56 | jharrison | Nylira: but do you use clean kernel sources or debian kernel sources or what |
| 00:45.02 | Nylira | The one you currently see is a clean on |
| 00:45.23 | Nylira | I grab clean kernel source from the website |
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| 00:46.07 | jharrison | Nylira: ah |
| 00:46.25 | jharrison | Nylira: the debian kernels are patched |
| 00:46.39 | jharrison | Nylira: that probably is why I see such big differences between the two .configs |
| 00:46.57 | jharrison | Nylira: but it looks like your config has large sections missing that are probably needed |
| 00:47.16 | shingouz | CasaNova__: since yesterday you say. what did happen to your system yesterday? new version of some package? installed something new? removed something? |
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| 00:48.20 | jharrison | Nylira: I dont know what else to tell you without looking directly at your system and the kernel configuration |
| 00:48.20 | CasaNova__ | shingouz: I jsut did an aptitude update/upgrade.. got some new cupsys and a few other files but nothign appeared to be x related... |
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| 00:48.40 | Elven | hi |
| 00:48.54 | Nylira | hmm |
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| 00:49.07 | shingouz | CasaNova__: i have a weird feeling that something x depends on gor replaced |
| 00:49.11 | CasaNova__ | At the moment x is froze and using 99.8% of cpu - im sshd in and can still work but desktop frioze,.. |
| 00:49.14 | shingouz | s/gor/got |
| 00:49.17 | Nylira | That sounds basically like I am screwed :) |
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| 00:49.36 | Gokee2 | I downloaded and burned the debian net install, but it does not boot..... Whats the best way to figure out if my burn failed or if the iso is bad? I used k3b and it said the burn was worked..... |
| 00:49.52 | Elven | i've installed the kde3.5 packages from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ - however, im having dependancy problems with the `kdelibs4c2' package, which is not on the server; thus i can't install some software that depends on it. what do i do now? do i have to build my own package for that? |
| 00:49.58 | shingouz | Gokee2: burn it as an iso, not as data |
| 00:49.59 | Nylira | I've compiled kernels of the same sources on various systems just cant seem to get it loaded on my own machine which seems really a pain |
| 00:50.15 | Gokee2 | shingouz, I did burn it as iso |
| 00:50.20 | CasaNova__ | I can post to #flood the packages that were upgraded - think it will help ? |
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| 00:51.02 | shingouz | Gokee2: does your computer boot off a cd in the first place? try booting with some other known bootable cd |
| 00:51.22 | plbgnr | hello, I need help with irda. I installed irda-utils and tried irdadump but no code was received with it (I used cellphone to send some signal) can anybody help with this? |
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| 00:51.46 | AleXerTecH | greetings from mérida, venezuela |
| 00:51.49 | Gokee2 | shingouz, It worked with the old debian net cd but that one is sckatched (fails the test) and does not load the base system |
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| 00:52.03 | Gokee2 | it also boots with knoppix |
| 00:52.13 | bucky | CasaNova__: did you recompile your nvidia driver since you upgraded your kernel in the dist-upgrade? |
| 00:52.22 | shingouz | Gokee2: can you read anything off the cd when you mount it? |
| 00:52.25 | Elven | hmm |
| 00:52.35 | Gokee2 | shingouz, one sec let me check |
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| 00:52.42 | jharrison | Nylira: you are not screwed |
| 00:52.49 | jharrison | Nylira: what are your system specs? |
| 00:53.11 | CasaNova__ | bucky: The kernel was not one of the packages upgradedd. I did jsut run nvidia one liner a few minutes ago - same behavior |
| 00:53.25 | bucky | hmmm.... |
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| 00:53.51 | CasaNova__ | bucky: libgalde-gnome was upgraded what is that? I see cupsys and python adn alsa was upgraded.... |
| 00:54.09 | Bangers | Anyone recommend a closed circuit Camera that has good support in debian/linux? |
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| 00:54.19 | Bangers | I'm looking at building my own home security server |
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| 00:54.32 | Gokee2 | shingouz, yes I can read all the files after I mount it |
| 00:54.51 | CasaNova__ | bucky: doesnt seem to matter if I am at the login gdm screen or working in an app or jsut browsing - top suddenly shows xorg or X at 99% utilization and the scren is frozen! |
| 00:54.52 | Nylira | P4, 3 GHz, 1024 Mb DDR 400 memory, GeForce 6600 GT PCI Express card on an LCD 19" display and 160 GB SCSI-3 HD space, SCSI writer and cdrom |
| 00:55.30 | AleXerTecH | somebody, how do i register my nickname in the server? |
| 00:55.54 | Gokee2 | AleXerTecH, /msg nickserve register nick email |
| 00:55.59 | ke6isf | !tell AleXerTecH -about nickserv |
| 00:56.04 | Gokee2 | AleXerTecH, /msg nickserv register nick email * |
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| 00:56.16 | shingouz | Gokee2: you could check the md5sum on the iso you burned, the only other reason i can think of is that you merrily got a cd for a different architecture than you run |
| 00:56.25 | CasaNova__ | 5414 root 25 0 267m 14m 3696 R 99.4 1.4 19:46.24 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:1.Xauth -nolist |
| 00:56.42 | moshii | does anyone know if it's possible to link upx in with apt/dpkg to make it compress all the executables that get installed? |
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| 00:56.59 | Gokee2 | ah.... |
| 00:57.15 | shingouz | Gokee2: it has happened, trust me on that |
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| 00:57.21 | Gokee2 | It IS the wrong architecture |
| 00:57.24 | wang | Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/ghoti/ / |
| 00:57.27 | wang | any ideas? |
| 00:57.31 | shingouz | Gokee2: duh :p |
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| 00:57.53 | Ryushin | Anyone know where I can happen to find apache 2.2 packages? |
| 00:58.06 | shingouz | Gokee2: i hope the cd you got is still somethign you can use |
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| 00:58.29 | Gokee2 | shingouz, its not :/ |
| 00:58.50 | Gokee2 | Its a nice cup holder |
| 00:58.51 | shingouz | Gokee2: out of curiosity, what arch is it for? |
| 00:58.53 | jharrison | Nylira: any chance of access to your box? |
| 00:59.04 | Gokee2 | alpha |
| 00:59.23 | shingouz | Gokee2: heh. now off to ebay with you and get yourself an alpha |
| 00:59.31 | Gokee2 | lol |
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| 01:00.01 | Nylira | user level access maybe .. root access not in this lifetime |
| 01:00.03 | Gokee2 | 25 cents for a cup holder? Not bad :) |
| 01:00.03 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.19 | AleXerTecH | finally |
| 01:00.26 | AleXerTecH | thanks |
| 01:00.34 | shingouz | Gokee2: the alpha a cupholder? hmm... neat idea |
| 01:00.47 | CasaNova__ | OK perhaps my video card fan is not spinning - that might explain the X lockups - I can still work on console though,.... |
| 01:01.03 | Nylira | Rather depends on what you want to check |
| 01:01.19 | Nylira | if you are asking me to allow you access to hit menuconfig then thats a no go I am afraid |
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| 01:01.34 | CasaNova__ | Have to shut down to check the fan |
| 01:01.47 | predius_ | Bangers: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml |
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| 01:02.38 | abrotman | holy crap .. shingouz is here! |
| 01:02.50 | shingouz | abrotman: heh. be very scared |
| 01:02.55 | Gokee2 | That is rare? |
| 01:03.11 | shingouz | Gokee2: a bit lately. wife 2.0 takes a bit of time :p |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | i haven't seen him here .. in .. weeks |
| 01:03.19 | Gokee2 | lol |
| 01:03.24 | thingfish | or months |
| 01:03.27 | Gokee2 | wife 2.0? |
| 01:03.40 | thingfish | or life 2.0 |
| 01:03.49 | shingouz | hehehehe.. both |
| 01:04.17 | shingouz | wife pre-2.0 still at this point but life 2.0 is correct |
| 01:04.43 | Gokee2 | I am not normally here unless I have a problem because I do a lot of things I should not.... I would not want to teach other peaple my bad habits |
| 01:04.54 | plbgnr | \lastlog -w plbgnr |
| 01:05.09 | shingouz | Gokee2: i already have enough bad habits of my own, i could teach you a few |
| 01:05.14 | oKtosiTe | lol |
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| 01:05.34 | thingfish | Gokee2: father stallman will hear your confession in room #2. |
| 01:05.34 | Gokee2 | hehe |
| 01:05.43 | Gokee2 | lol |
| 01:06.42 | shingouz | this is going to take forever and a week. i need to do a "minor" update/upgrade on three systems. on sid. lots of fun.. more caffeine needed |
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| 01:07.15 | Gokee2 | What is sid? testing? |
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| 01:07.28 | predius_ | unstable |
| 01:07.39 | Gokee2 | ah |
| 01:07.41 | thingfish | sid is your evil uncle ernie. |
| 01:07.52 | predius_ | that too. |
| 01:07.55 | cddesjar | as he fiddles about |
| 01:07.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:08.02 | Muffie | (Thoughest question): How can I enable USB Keyboard support without a PS2 keyboard? I was performing a apt-get dist-upgrade and it stoppd working. All I can do right now is mouting my root partition from a Live CD. Anyone can HELP me plese? I have asked this question here several times without a single sign of real help... |
| 01:08.02 | mboso | when compiling something from source how do you set it so that *only* libs from /usr/lib are used (libs from /usr/local/lib are excluded) |
| 01:08.05 | thingfish | !win cddesjar |
| 01:08.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, cddesjar! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:08.43 | shingouz | Muffie: ssh into the box? |
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| 01:09.24 | thingfish | hi dpkg are you still all screwed up? |
| 01:09.36 | Muffie | shingouz: hmmm, not sure if the network is still functional |
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| 01:09.51 | thingfish | Hi are you still all screwed up? |
| 01:09.51 | shingouz | Muffie: try ssh first |
| 01:09.55 | shingouz | !test |
| 01:09.55 | dpkg | Sorry, shingouz, I didn't get your test. |
| 01:09.57 | thingfish | I guess not. |
| 01:10.01 | thingfish | yay. |
| 01:10.16 | Muffie | shingouz: and how about monting the partition? |
| 01:10.59 | shingouz | Muffie: huh? if the system boots as it should you have the partition mounted already. just boot it off the hd like you usually do |
| 01:11.16 | nixie | Muffie: mount root partiton and add usbhid to /etc/modules? |
| 01:11.28 | Muffie | nixie: thats a try! thanks |
| 01:11.29 | nixie | Muffie: usbkbd too |
| 01:11.47 | shingouz | i just hope you did not dist-upgrade to unstable |
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| 01:12.01 | Muffie | shingouz: why not!? :) |
| 01:12.19 | shingouz | Muffie: ask the same question in two months |
| 01:12.48 | Muffie | 1 second, let me try nixie's suggestion |
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| 01:13.06 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:13.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:15.32 | shingouz | 230 upgraded, 108 on hold... this is going to take forever :p |
| 01:15.34 | AleXerTecH | some source for apt in debian with kde apps and themes??? |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | AleXerTecH: #debian-kde |
| 01:16.31 | AleXerTecH | nice, thanks |
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| 01:18.12 | TJNII | I have a quick question. I keep coming across "Debian Sarge" and "Debian Pre-Sarge" while searching for how-tos and faqs. What is sarge? Is it like RH's Fedora? |
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| 01:18.40 | EdibleText | !sarge |
| 01:18.41 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 01:18.50 | Muffie | nixie ?? |
| 01:18.58 | nixie | ? |
| 01:19.10 | TJNII | IC. That question must get asked a lot. ;) |
| 01:19.11 | Muffie | nixie : it worked! thanks. Now I only have to configure X and check the size of the damage! :) |
| 01:19.22 | nixie | :) |
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| 01:21.55 | Deviant17m | where can i get this file linux-image-2.6.12-9-386_2.6.12-9.23_i386.deb, it says it is corrupted on my installation cd =3..... |
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| 01:22.04 | SimonRaven | TJNII: it does. 'pre-sarge' is woody |
| 01:22.07 | psychonate | Does anyone know if there is a good howto for bootsplash in debian? |
| 01:22.09 | SimonRaven | !woody |
| 01:22.09 | dpkg | it has been said that woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 01:22.09 | mango | hi, I want to install pine on my system just for trailing, but I can not find it in symantics, nor apt... where do I get it from please? |
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| 01:22.53 | SimonRaven | mango: 'synaptic', and it's source is in non-free |
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| 01:23.14 | Tony_Sidaway | mango, I seem to recal that pine is non-free. I'll check up about it. |
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| 01:23.31 | SimonRaven | mango: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 01:24.28 | Muffie | nixie : /dev/mouse is not present... |
| 01:24.28 | Tony_Sidaway | Oh here we are: "Anyone can also create and distribute patch files to implement bug fixes or minor enhancements without asking permission. However, redistribution of a modified version of Pine requires explicit permission from the University of Washington." |
| 01:24.43 | Tony_Sidaway | http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/legal.htm |
| 01:24.58 | mango | Tony_Sidaway: but it comes by default in ubunto!! |
| 01:25.10 | Muffie | What creates the /dev/mouse link? |
| 01:25.14 | SimonRaven | mango: debian isn't ubuntu |
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| 01:25.50 | Tony_Sidaway | mango, yes, SimonRaven is right. Two different organisations and different attitude to free software. |
| 01:25.53 | Muffie | anyone knows what should I use instead of /dev/mouse for my USB mouse? |
| 01:26.06 | misterdiff | hi all. i just need some advice about machine speed. i'm going to set up a web/mail/print server at home and am curious about what speed/ram the server should have? what are the recommended spec? |
| 01:26.07 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai all. i just need some advice about machine speed. i'm going to set up a web/mail/print server at home and am curious about what speed/ram the server should have? what are the recommended spec! |
| 01:26.18 | SimonRaven | Muffie: cd /dev/; sudo MAKEDEV mouse |
| 01:26.48 | shingouz | misterdiff: how many users are you going to have? for pure home use you could use almost anything that can run linux |
| 01:26.56 | predius_ | !woody |
| 01:26.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 01:27.19 | Muffie | SimonRaven : /sbin/MAKEDEV: dont know how to make device "mouse" |
| 01:27.25 | SimonRaven | you could have scrolled up, or /msg the bot |
| 01:27.38 | SimonRaven | duh, busmouse sorry |
| 01:27.42 | Muffie | SimonRaven : what? |
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| 01:28.25 | Muffie | SimonRaven , do you have any other suggestions? |
| 01:28.28 | predius_ | Maliuta: MAKEDEV usbmouse |
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| 01:28.46 | Maliuta | predius_: huh? |
| 01:28.46 | predius_ | nah |
| 01:28.56 | Muffie | predius_ same message |
| 01:29.00 | predius_ | k |
| 01:29.00 | Muffie | same error message |
| 01:29.06 | SimonRaven | else you can do: sudo mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
| 01:29.19 | SimonRaven | and symlink /dev/mouse to that - only if it's a 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:29.47 | SimonRaven | oh, and the perms are root:root/660 |
| 01:29.48 | Muffie | used to be a 2.6 kernel... After the failed dist-upgrade... Im not sure of anything! |
| 01:30.05 | fredbear21 | hello everyone |
| 01:30.08 | predius_ | Muffie: it's still 2.6, believe me. |
| 01:30.11 | SimonRaven | uname -r will say |
| 01:30.33 | Muffie | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 01:30.46 | Muffie | predius_ :) Well, at least that! :) |
| 01:31.01 | Muffie | predius_ : And why my mouse is gone? |
| 01:31.14 | predius_ | Muffie: dpkg -l udev |
| 01:31.34 | SilvioAmaral | I love my Debian.... ehheh I'm from is Brazil.... My name is Silvio do Amaral... |
| 01:31.41 | Muffie | predius_ : whats that for? |
| 01:31.49 | predius_ | Muffie: what does it say? |
| 01:32.07 | Muffie | predius_ : one second, Ill have to type here... |
| 01:32.09 | misterdiff | shingouz, there are going to be anywhere from 3-7 users connecting to it |
| 01:32.37 | Muffie | predius_ : Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold (1st line) |
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| 01:33.00 | SimonRaven | just the line that says ii or rc or whatever |
| 01:33.03 | shingouz | misterdiff: does the box have more power than a 386? if it has, it will work. more is better of course, use what you have |
| 01:33.05 | Muffie | ok |
| 01:33.16 | EdibleText | !br |
| 01:33.17 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:33.36 | Muffie | ii udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon (last line) |
| 01:34.11 | Deviant17m | where can i find this file kernel 2.6??? to download without apt-get |
| 01:34.17 | SimonRaven | there ya go |
| 01:34.24 | Muffie | SimonRaven : whats wrong? |
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| 01:34.47 | redguy | Deviant17m: www.kernwl.org |
| 01:34.52 | SimonRaven | Muffie: it's supposed to be creating the device files 'on the fly', but for some reason it hasn't |
| 01:35.08 | misterdiff | shingouz, i have 3 pcs from which to choose from. the lowest is a 333 p2 w/ 64mb of ram. the middle one is 900 p3 w/128 mb of ram and the fastest one is amd 1.7 w/512mb ram |
| 01:35.10 | SimonRaven | (*cough* borked *cough*) |
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| 01:35.38 | Muffie | SimonRaven : well, all my problems began after a failed apt-get dist-upgrade. Dont know it that helps... |
| 01:35.40 | shingouz | misterdiff: even the slowest has enough power for what you plan |
| 01:35.43 | Nylira | gotta love the udev |
| 01:35.45 | Nylira | lol |
| 01:35.49 | SimonRaven | misterdiff: if it's going to be multi-purpose use the 'biggest' one |
| 01:36.03 | grigora | anyone knows of a good financial calculator for Linux? |
| 01:36.15 | SimonRaven | obviously advice differs here ;) |
| 01:36.22 | loogie | Hi - I am interested in a doing a recursive search on a directory. I want to search for a string of characters but am not sure how. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 01:36.22 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai - I am interested in a doing a recursive search on a directory. I want to search for a string of characters but am not sure how. Could someone point me in the right direction! |
| 01:36.23 | predius_ | !usbmouse |
| 01:36.24 | dpkg | somebody said usbmouse was [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 01:36.35 | misterdiff | shingouz, it'll be hosting a lot of picture from my site, serving mail, and serving printing services |
| 01:36.36 | shingouz | obviously. i am notorious for using a few 486 boxen even now |
| 01:36.44 | SimonRaven | Muffie: did you run apt-get -f install yet? |
| 01:36.55 | Muffie | SimonRaven , no. Whats that for? |
| 01:37.03 | SimonRaven | man apt-get |
| 01:37.09 | Nylira | well obviously if he would apt-get the hotplug it would kill udev |
| 01:37.45 | SimonRaven | udev does hotplug now. but s/he needs to have a 2.6.12+ kernel installed |
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| 01:38.07 | Nylira | as I recall he has 2.6.8 |
| 01:38.13 | Nylira | so what he is then doing with udev |
| 01:38.16 | Nylira | is beyond me |
| 01:38.29 | erectport | loogie: how about find /dir/ | grep something |
| 01:38.43 | staniel | can m-a install the mppe patch? |
| 01:38.47 | predius_ | Nylira: that's the problem. |
| 01:38.52 | predius_ | didn't upgrade the kernwl. |
| 01:38.56 | Tony_Sidaway | mango, you may be interested to learn that GNU went to the extent of producing a rewrite of pico, the PINE editor, under the name of nano. It was solely a matter of licence--as was the Gnome project, comissioned as an alternative to KDE when the latter had a non-free license. |
| 01:39.01 | Nylira | then why not just apt-get hotplug |
| 01:39.04 | Muffie | SimonRaven, that command failed. dpkg error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.074-3.i386.deb) |
| 01:39.06 | Nylira | and try again |
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| 01:39.31 | SimonRaven | it conflicts. i'd say toss udev and keep hotplug |
| 01:39.47 | Nylira | apt-get install hotplug |
| 01:39.58 | Nylira | that should kick udevs royal ass out of there |
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| 01:40.30 | Muffie | Nylira and SimonRaven, Im installing hotplug. So after that what should I do? |
| 01:40.38 | Nylira | reboot |
| 01:40.59 | SimonRaven | yeh, that's true, get rid of udev properly |
| 01:41.18 | Deviant17m | how can i get the file .deb i dont want it .bz2 |
| 01:41.21 | Muffie | ok. Its installing. Ill reboot after that |
| 01:41.39 | Gokee2 | Well well I download debian for the right arc and it works.... Fancy that :) |
| 01:41.53 | xevious | serious issues with deb testing on a dell inspiron 4000 |
| 01:42.15 | SimonRaven | #mindreaders -> |
| 01:42.33 | jbroome | mentok! |
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| 01:43.21 | Nylira | Deviant17m: uh .. unpack the bz2 source and compile it with make-kpkg that will give you a .deb |
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| 01:43.25 | xevious | 2.6 wouldn't find my network card because pcmcia is messed up. however i think it's an issue with the pcmcia drivers in 2.6 itself, because mandrake did the same thing. every time i booted i had to restart my pcmcia init script |
| 01:43.31 | xevious | so i'm running 2.4 |
| 01:43.36 | xevious | but xorg doesnt work |
| 01:43.59 | Stream | i cant detect cdrom after i set up root password and user password in installing of debian any help ? |
| 01:44.03 | xevious | any attempt at graphics crashes to a weird tie-dye thing. ctrl-alt-backspace doesnt work |
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| 01:44.48 | Stream | /dev/cdrom not working |
| 01:45.08 | Stream | anyway i can detect the cdrom? |
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| 01:45.41 | geckosenator | I want to install debian without burning a cd |
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| 01:45.56 | geckosenator | can't I mount an ext2 filesystem and chroot to it and run a script that does a netinstall? |
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| 01:46.27 | SimonRaven | from a linux host you can run debootsrap |
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| 01:46.51 | abrotman | i wonder how that would work from colinux |
| 01:46.54 | geckosenator | where do I get debootstrap? |
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| 01:47.15 | Muffie | is there a way to update kernel using apt-get? |
| 01:47.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:47.27 | Muffie | abrotman : how? |
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| 01:47.34 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:47.34 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | Muffie: update to what from what ? |
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| 01:48.31 | SimonRaven | Muffie: kernels aren't handled the same way as the software |
| 01:48.34 | Muffie | abrotman : I've had some problems when using apt-get dist-upgrade. Now Im trying to fix it. I thought that maybe another apt-get dist-upgrade should help me. But before, I want to update to the latest kernel version |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | Muffie: update to what from what ? |
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| 01:49.09 | Muffie | abrotman 2.6.8-2-k7 to the latest |
| 01:49.21 | erectport | Muffie: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.12-arc |
| 01:49.30 | geckosenator | hey gentoo has a debootstrap package... |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | Muffie: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 .. see anything ? |
| 01:50.09 | erectport | Muffie: it will automagically upgrade grub too |
| 01:50.54 | Muffie | abrotman : yes. one second, ill type the result here |
| 01:51.33 | Nylira | er |
| 01:51.40 | Nylira | that is gonna give a lot of linex |
| 01:51.45 | Nylira | so best not paste that here |
| 01:51.47 | mango | Tony_Sidaway: Ok, no non-non free software, I am gonna use mutt instead....thanks gays |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | elmo ? |
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| 01:52.13 | Nylira | Muffie see if you can find this one linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | Nylira: NO |
| 01:52.38 | Nylira | pfft :P |
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| 01:52.41 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6-k7 is all he needs |
| 01:52.42 | Tortel | what are dpkg's different smites? |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | Tortel: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:53.10 | xevious | what's the latest kernel-source package? |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | or linux-source |
| 01:53.27 | Nylira | I dont see why he just doesnt go for latest one |
| 01:53.36 | Nylira | since he was obviously stuck on udev |
| 01:53.40 | Muffie | abrotman : only kernel-image-2.6-386, ...-686,...-686-smp,...-k7,,,,-k7-smp,..., and ....8-2-k7 |
| 01:53.59 | abrotman | Muffie: no linux-image ? |
| 01:54.17 | Muffie | abrotman : no... And I have used apt-get update seconds ago |
| 01:54.20 | Tony_Sidaway | mutt is pretty good. Actually if you have an apache server, or can install one, squirrelmail takes a lot of beating, |
| 01:54.24 | Nylira | linux-image is old one |
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| 01:54.45 | Muffie | abrotman : wait a second |
| 01:54.47 | xevious | should i just grab the latest from a kernel.org mirror? |
| 01:54.48 | Nylira | er |
| 01:54.51 | abrotman | Muffie: then you're using the highest kernel you have available to you |
| 01:54.53 | Nylira | nm |
| 01:54.53 | Muffie | abrotman : I was looking kernel-image |
| 01:55.13 | Tony_Sidaway | I use squirrelmail mainly because I have cable and I like to read my mail when I'm away from home |
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| 01:55.21 | Muffie | abrotman : looking for linux-image i have found another ones |
| 01:55.26 | mango | Tony_Sidaway: thanks |
| 01:55.27 | Nylira | I am guessing he will find linux-image only for the newer ones |
| 01:56.03 | Muffie | abrotman : linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 is there |
| 01:56.14 | abrotman | Muffie: use linux-image-2.6-l7 |
| 01:56.24 | Muffie | abrotman apt-get install that? |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | and then run for the hills |
| 01:56.50 | xevious | what are these .14.1 .14.2 .14.3 kernels? |
| 01:56.57 | xevious | they've added another subdivision? |
| 01:57.16 | qknight | how can i output stderr also to main out? 2&> foo (with foo the file i want the output in) |
| 01:57.17 | cheal | xevious: important fixes. |
| 01:57.22 | Muffie | abrotman : that should fix my errors after the unsucessfull apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:57.33 | Muffie | abrotman : why dist-upgrade caused that? |
| 01:57.35 | cheal | xevious: for problems spotted between two "minor" kernel releases |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | wtf .. english |
| 01:57.49 | xevious | cheal: so i should get .14.3? |
| 01:57.51 | Nylira | probably due to a conflict in your kernel version and udev |
| 01:58.15 | Muffie | Nylira : ok. The apt-get has ended. Now I should update grub? |
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| 01:58.27 | cheal | xevious: well, that would be the most stable kernel to run (except those in your Debian release) |
| 01:58.28 | Nylira | hasnt it done so by itself? |
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| 01:58.37 | Muffie | Nylira : dont know... |
| 01:58.46 | Muffie | Nylira : Ill reboot. one second |
| 01:58.50 | Nylira | nah wait |
| 01:58.52 | xevious | cheal: the 2.6 that testing installed didnt work right with my pcmcia |
| 01:58.55 | Muffie | abrotman : Im not a native english speaker |
| 01:59.07 | Nylira | cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:59.08 | jharrison | Nylira: hows it coming along? |
| 01:59.13 | Nylira | and check for the new lines |
| 01:59.19 | cheal | xevious: Linux 2.6 is a development branch, so each "minor" (2.6.x) release is also like a major one |
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| 01:59.21 | abrotman | Muffie: i noticed :) |
| 01:59.24 | Nylira | jharrison: I am about to find a bigger hammer |
| 01:59.34 | Nylira | jharrison: query me a second |
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| 02:00.07 | cheal | xevious: I don't know about that problem,but there's a reason why the kernel evolves |
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| 02:00.21 | Muffie | abrotman : Well... took you some sentences to notice it! :) |
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| 02:00.45 | xevious | the kernel.org tar.bz2's have all the headers in them, correct? |
| 02:00.54 | Muffie | ill boot. god help me |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | i noticed a while ago :) |
| 02:01.15 | xevious | they sure do. |
| 02:01.17 | xevious | :D |
| 02:01.25 | xevious | alright |
| 02:01.37 | xevious | fiddle with getting 2.6 to work now |
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| 02:02.47 | jharrison | Nylira: I queried you |
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| 02:02.49 | pavey | Anyone have an issue with kmail not installable because I have kdelibs4c2a and not kdelibs4c2 installed. It is just kmail has not been recompiled against 4c2a? |
| 02:02.52 | Nylira | I replied |
| 02:02.59 | Nylira | you not reading my replies? |
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| 02:03.14 | jharrison | Nylira: are you identified to nickserv? |
| 02:03.26 | jharrison | Nylira: no you arent |
| 02:03.34 | jharrison | Nylira: thats why I cant see your query |
| 02:03.35 | jharrison | :-P |
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| 02:03.49 | Nylira | how the hell did I get unidentified |
| 02:03.49 | ghostys | how can i use apt-get to find a file in a package ? |
| 02:03.57 | jharrison | Nylira: dont know :0 |
| 02:03.58 | jharrison | :) |
| 02:04.04 | ghostys | i require libstdc++.so.5 |
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| 02:04.10 | ghostys | but don't know what package it's related to |
| 02:04.12 | ghostys | any idea's ? |
| 02:04.24 | pavey | ghostys: you mean finding a package that a file belongs to? |
| 02:04.31 | ghostys | i tried apt-cache search but it didn't give me anything. |
| 02:04.34 | staniel | hello |
| 02:04.36 | staniel | how do I properly install the mppe patch? |
| 02:04.37 | ghostys | pavey: yes |
| 02:04.42 | pavey | ghostys: dpkg -S <file> |
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| 02:05.05 | abrotman | ghostys: apt-file search libstdc++.so.5 |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | pavey: that only works if it's installed |
| 02:06.24 | ghostys | ia32-libs: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 |
| 02:06.24 | ghostys | ia32-libs: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 |
| 02:06.24 | ghostys | libstdc++5: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 |
| 02:06.24 | ghostys | libstdc++5: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 |
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| 02:06.26 | Nylira | k.. should see my replies now |
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| 02:06.30 | ghostys | omg |
| 02:06.37 | ghostys | how many times to i have to be told. |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | ghostys: you can't paste here :) |
| 02:06.51 | abrotman | ghostys: anyways .. i think you have your answer |
| 02:07.04 | ghostys | well i'm on a 64bit system |
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| 02:07.07 | ghostys | will that matter. |
| 02:07.16 | ghostys | like it states i have that lib on my pc |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | prolly not |
| 02:07.21 | ghostys | so then why does it not work. |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | is the app a 32bit app ? |
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| 02:07.32 | abrotman | what does the app say ? |
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| 02:07.43 | grendal_prime | ok any eta on when testing is going to be...well usable again? |
| 02:07.46 | ghostys | error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | grendal_prime: it's perfectly usable for me .. |
| 02:08.03 | grendal_prime | ya that one's the bitch |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | ghostys: .6 or .5 ? |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | grendal_prime: are you still running KDE ? |
| 02:08.17 | mhall | Has anybody got a line on a good GUI statistics application for Linux? Either Debian package, source code, or trial version? I have to crunch out some figures real quick. |
| 02:08.29 | grendal_prime | abrotman, i got issues with apps on the kids machine |
| 02:08.37 | ghostys | ahh .5 |
| 02:08.38 | abrotman | mhall: i think there's a matlab-ish replacement |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | grendal_prime: kde ? |
| 02:08.44 | mhall | abrotman: hmm |
| 02:08.44 | ghostys | coolies |
| 02:08.48 | ghostys | just installed apt-file |
| 02:08.51 | Xenguy | mhall: gnumeric? (not sure what you need) |
| 02:08.56 | grendal_prime | well this one as well i actually even upgraded the lisbstdc and gcc 4 cause i needed to burn some cds..like quick |
| 02:08.59 | grendal_prime | ya kde |
| 02:09.10 | abrotman | mhall: octave ? |
| 02:09.30 | ghostys | apt-file search filename spat out nothing. |
| 02:09.38 | ghostys | just whent to the next line |
| 02:09.51 | abrotman | what file is it ? |
| 02:09.54 | grendal_prime | and ...right now..im trying to use shfs and well im unable to get the kernel moduals to install |
| 02:10.01 | mhall | Xenguy: yeah I was working with OOo Calc but it seems to be lacking in t-tests and z-tests etc. |
| 02:10.02 | grendal_prime | something im sure to do with kernel source.. |
| 02:10.31 | ghostys | libstdc++.so.6 |
| 02:10.38 | grendal_prime | im just wondering if i shouldnt back up what little work i actually have on this machine and bomb it back to stable |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | ghostys: and which version of debian ? |
| 02:10.45 | mhall | Xenguy: is gnumeric any better about that |
| 02:11.11 | grendal_prime | abrotman, why were you asking about kde? |
| 02:11.16 | ghostys | abrotman: 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 02:11.26 | Xenguy | mhall: dunno - test it out |
| 02:11.28 | SimonRaven | that's not debian version |
| 02:11.34 | SimonRaven | !version |
| 02:11.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:11.35 | psychonate | What will 'make-kpkg' name the package by default? |
| 02:11.36 | Xenguy | mhall: it certainly loads faster :P |
| 02:11.43 | mhall | Xenguy: yeah i don't mind testing i just thought you might know off hand |
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| 02:11.56 | abrotman | grendal_prime: because KDE/Qt in etch is fucked |
| 02:12.07 | grendal_prime | in etch? |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | ghostys: on my system libstdc++6: usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 02:12.17 | ghostys | 3.1 |
| 02:12.18 | mango | I am trying to use sendmail as a regular user but it does not seem that command is in my path, only I can use it as root,.....anybody have any cluse please? |
| 02:12.28 | SimonRaven | <3 dlocate |
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| 02:12.37 | grendal_prime | ok..well i used the unstable version to get it working again |
| 02:12.40 | eiko | hello everyone |
| 02:12.46 | ghostys | ok got it |
| 02:12.47 | ghostys | :P |
| 02:12.48 | geckosenator | I'm getting the error E: Couldn't download libsigc++1.2-5c102 |
| 02:12.51 | ghostys | ta for your help guys |
| 02:12.54 | geckosenator | when running debootstrap |
| 02:13.03 | SimonRaven | mango: use the full path, /usr/sbin |
| 02:13.10 | eiko | does the init 3 command not work with debian? |
| 02:13.11 | geckosenator | what should I do? |
| 02:13.25 | grendal_prime | my question was is there an eta on when that will be fixed? i cant seem to find anything at debian.org...i could very well be looking in the wrong place |
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| 02:13.35 | SimonRaven | eiko: it does the same as 2, 4, 5 |
| 02:13.44 | Xenguy | mhall: no, not my area of expertise - try also apt-cache search statistics |grep -i statistic |
| 02:13.49 | badz | undernet.org |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | badz: no! |
| 02:14.04 | eiko | SimonRaven: im having a hard time with quiting X :( |
| 02:14.26 | SimonRaven | stop the dm with its init script |
| 02:14.41 | geckosenator | what is the difference with woody sarge and sid? |
| 02:15.00 | mango | SimonRaven: yes it works, thanks:) |
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| 02:15.10 | eiko | simonraven: where do i find that? |
| 02:15.25 | oKtosiTe | geckosenator: did you read the releases section on the website? |
| 02:15.33 | SimonRaven | /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:15.35 | geckosenator | no |
| 02:15.46 | SimonRaven | gdm, xdm, ... |
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| 02:15.53 | abrotman | woody is oldstable .. sarge is stable . sid is unstable |
| 02:15.55 | geckosenator | I have been doing sid and it doesn't work |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | !releases |
| 02:15.57 | dpkg | from memory, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 02:16.08 | geckosenator | I'm going to try sarge |
| 02:16.15 | ke6isf | geckosenator: Are you new at Debian? |
| 02:16.15 | Tortel | :) |
| 02:16.22 | geckosenator | sort of yes |
| 02:16.23 | mhall | Xenguy: yeah i was playing with apt-cache |
| 02:16.29 | mhall | Xenguy: and there are a whole lot of apps ;-) |
| 02:16.33 | ke6isf | geckosenator: Then yes, use Sarge. |
| 02:16.35 | geckosenator | ke6isf: it keeps failing downloading libsigc++ |
| 02:16.37 | oKtosiTe | geckosenator: that's your safest bet, read on debian.org/releases/ |
| 02:16.37 | grendal_prime | is sarge using xorg now? |
| 02:16.42 | predius_ | no |
| 02:16.46 | ke6isf | geckosenator: That's because sid is unstable. |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | Tortel: why ? |
| 02:16.51 | ke6isf | grendal_prime: Sarge was frozen. |
| 02:16.59 | geckosenator | it doesn't use xorg?? |
| 02:17.00 | Tortel | cause |
| 02:17.01 | geckosenator | that's bad |
| 02:17.11 | Tortel | xfree86 FTW! |
| 02:17.14 | ke6isf | geckosenator: No, it's not. x.org was not ready for sarge by the time the freeze happened. |
| 02:17.23 | SimonRaven | never will |
| 02:17.23 | SimonRaven | fricking lag |
| 02:17.26 | geckosenator | I'm not ready for xfree though |
| 02:17.29 | geckosenator | and sid won't install |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:17.36 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:17.43 | eiko | simonraven what do i do with these files? |
| 02:17.43 | ke6isf | geckosenator: xfree is fine for the purpose, and it's easy to set up. |
| 02:17.50 | geckosenator | it isn't fine for my purpose |
| 02:17.58 | mhall | abrotman: that's a fucking thing of beauty |
| 02:17.59 | ke6isf | geckosenator: What then are you looking to do? |
| 02:18.02 | geckosenator | the programs won't work |
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| 02:18.09 | abrotman | mhall: it is :) |
| 02:18.14 | geckosenator | I am running debian in a chroot of another linux that has xorg installed |
| 02:18.15 | jharrison | anyone know the average bandwidth required for a debian mirror? |
| 02:18.21 | SimonRaven | eiko: you run it - e.g. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:18.21 | geckosenator | I'm afraid the debian programs won't work |
| 02:18.24 | ke6isf | geckosenator: But you're running sid, right? |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | kingsley: what's your logic for counting joins/splits ? |
| 02:18.31 | geckosenator | no, sid won't install |
| 02:18.36 | geckosenator | I'm installing sarge now |
| 02:18.59 | ke6isf | geckosenator: I've never had any problems. You might find they run better without running in a chroot. |
| 02:19.07 | SimonRaven | looks like it worked |
| 02:19.08 | grendal_prime | well the werid part is ..etch is very fast and for the most part very usable just some things are driving me a little crazy |
| 02:19.10 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 02:19.25 | geckosenator | ke6isf: why is that? |
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| 02:19.32 | mhall | grendal_prime: not weird; just etch :-D |
| 02:19.33 | pppoe_dude | hello from sarge |
| 02:19.41 | mhall | pppoe_dude: salutations |
| 02:19.48 | geckosenator | ke6isf: if I don't run in the chroot it's no longer debian |
| 02:19.50 | SimonRaven | hullo |
| 02:19.51 | ke6isf | geckosenator: Not sure how I can explain this, but you will find that things Just Work. |
| 02:19.55 | pavey | so where is kde screwed? in testing or sid? I'm using sid and it is def. screwed. If I go to testing will it help? |
| 02:20.00 | mhall | pppoe_dude: i wish you'd pick another nick though; pppoe is depressing |
| 02:20.01 | ke6isf | geckosenator: No, you install on another partition. |
| 02:20.09 | predius_ | or use xen |
| 02:20.11 | geckosenator | then I would have to reboot |
| 02:20.13 | pppoe_dude | k.. are all the bootup messages in kern.log or is there a more complete log? |
| 02:20.15 | mhall | pavey: ! you can't got from sid to testing without reinstall |
| 02:20.18 | ke6isf | geckosenator: And? |
| 02:20.19 | mhall | pavey: and it's not screwed in sid |
| 02:20.23 | geckosenator | I don't like to reboot |
| 02:20.25 | mhall | pavey: i'm using it from sid just now |
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| 02:20.30 | SimonRaven | pppoe is a sucky proto |
| 02:20.35 | pppoe_dude | i know |
| 02:20.40 | geckosenator | and I would have to build a kernel and all that crap again |
| 02:20.44 | pavey | mhall: ah. what version? I'm running kde but lots of dep problems on kmail and others (like kdebase-dev) |
| 02:21.00 | pppoe_dude | but then i'll have to register it again |
| 02:21.04 | pppoe_dude | :p lazy |
| 02:21.10 | mhall | pavey: hmm |
| 02:21.23 | ke6isf | geckosenator: Is there something funny about your system that requires a hand build of a kernel? |
| 02:21.39 | mhall | pavey: yeah all you need to do it build it from source |
| 02:21.43 | pavey | mhall: kmail depends on kdelibs4c2 but I have kdelibs4c2a installed. |
| 02:21.44 | mhall | !tell pavey about source |
| 02:21.47 | geckosenator | ke6isf: I have dual output framebuffers |
| 02:21.49 | pppoe_dude | wow... sarge uses like 60% less memory than ubuntu breezy |
| 02:21.52 | mhall | pavey: right they released a new kdelibs |
| 02:21.55 | ke6isf | geckosenator: Ah, OK. |
| 02:21.56 | pppoe_dude | (ram) |
| 02:21.58 | predius_ | pavey: then compile it yourself :) |
| 02:22.00 | geckosenator | geckosenator: I have reiser4 also |
| 02:22.09 | pavey | mhall: I would but i can't install kdebase-dev :P |
| 02:22.10 | mhall | pavey: if you build from source or wait 2-3 days it'll work |
| 02:22.13 | predius_ | apt-get build-dep kmail && apt-get source kmail |
| 02:22.19 | predius_ | go into it and debuild |
| 02:22.22 | ke6isf | geckosenator: That said, though, I've given you the most obvious solutions I can think of, but you've rejected them. I can help you no further. |
| 02:22.30 | mhall | pavey: i built from source to get kaffeine; let me check on kdebase-dev |
| 02:22.38 | geckosenator | hehe ok, it seems like this chroot thing might work |
| 02:22.44 | mhall | pavey: kdebase-dev wfm |
| 02:22.47 | mhall | pavey: works for me |
| 02:23.33 | pavey | mhall: kdebase-dev: Depends: kdelibs4-dev (kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libcupsys2-dev) (libcupsys2-dev is already the newest version) |
| 02:24.14 | SimonRaven | !debtakeover |
| 02:24.14 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 02:24.21 | pppoe_dude | is there a file other than /var/log/kern.log that all the bootup messages go to? |
| 02:24.27 | mhall | pavey: Unpacking kdebase-dev (from .../kdebase-dev_4%3a3.4.3-3_i386.deb) ... |
| 02:24.30 | pavey | mhall: libcupsys2-dev provides libcupsys-dev, not libcupsys2-dev.. broken package? |
| 02:24.37 | SimonRaven | /var/log/boot, /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:24.42 | ke6isf | pppoe_dude: /var/log/syslog sometimes |
| 02:24.43 | mhall | pavey: try adding experimental to your sources.list |
| 02:24.49 | pavey | mhall: ok |
| 02:24.54 | mhall | pavey: deb http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 02:25.01 | mhall | pavey: deb-src http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
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| 02:25.08 | borius | what package is mimeencode in? |
| 02:25.22 | ke6isf | borius: 'apt-file search mimeencode' |
| 02:25.25 | mhall | pavey: i'm crazy and i use bleeding edge, which actually means my broken packages get fixed quickest |
| 02:25.43 | mhall | pavey: so the way i see it there are only two versions of debian worth using, stable and sid |
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| 02:25.51 | mhall | pavey: rather sid + experimental :-) |
| 02:25.58 | pppoe_dude | i dont have /var/log/boot and syslog is empty... dmesg shows everything, but i'm unsure... i think i saw an error in a module at bootup, i gues it doesn matter |
| 02:25.59 | pavey | mhall: hah. I thought unstable was the quickest, didn't know about the experimental |
| 02:26.03 | SimonRaven | sometimes i wish for the quietude of sarge. but then i'd get stir crazy sooner or later |
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| 02:26.17 | pavey | mhall: when you upgrade, do you still use experimental? |
| 02:26.25 | mhall | pavey: upgrade? |
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| 02:26.32 | mhall | pavey: like dist-upgrade you mean? |
| 02:26.34 | mhall | pavey: sure |
| 02:26.35 | pppoe_dude | nm syslog is no longer empty |
| 02:26.37 | pavey | mhall: yea ah |
| 02:26.43 | mhall | pavey: gotta love experimental libc |
| 02:26.53 | mhall | pavey: if i'm gonna live i might as well live on the edge |
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| 02:26.59 | SimonRaven | i gotta get an ide card for this thing. the onboard ide is ABSOLUTE CRAP |
| 02:27.04 | mhall | pavey: just burn a knoppix dvd first in cast shit happens |
| 02:27.07 | mhall | SimonRaven: what chip |
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| 02:27.13 | mhall | SimonRaven: can't be as bad as my ultra 10 |
| 02:27.18 | SimonRaven | some asus thing |
| 02:27.31 | mhall | SimonRaven: that should be decent |
| 02:27.37 | mhall | SimonRaven: did you hdparm it |
| 02:27.46 | qknight | wie mache ich auto-update unter stable am besten? |
| 02:27.49 | qknight | script? |
| 02:27.59 | SimonRaven | yes. it's slower than the 2 ppcs next to it |
| 02:28.02 | mhall | qknight: hallo |
| 02:28.06 | mhall | !tell qknight about german |
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| 02:28.15 | qknight | sorry |
| 02:28.47 | oKtosiTe | qknight: crontab... |
| 02:28.55 | mhall | qknight: na ja, kein problem, ich meine nur dass es dabei einfacher sein würde, hilfe zu kriegen. ;-) |
| 02:28.57 | qknight | is there a prefered way doing auto-updates or a manual |
| 02:29.01 | SimonRaven | w00t, done |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | !penixsmite mhall |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | :( |
| 02:29.18 | kingsley | abrotman: You asked "what's your logic for counting joins/splits ?" |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:29.27 | mhall | abrotman: what did i do this time |
| 02:29.29 | qknight | mhall: hehe i don't have a problem with english (you might have problems with mine tough) ;-) |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | kingsley: as in .. why include them |
| 02:29.35 | mhall | qknight: that's cool too |
| 02:29.40 | mhall | qknight: i speak both |
| 02:29.53 | mhall | qknight: for me english is native anyways |
| 02:30.18 | mhall | qknight: and my keyboard doesn't have umlauts so typing em is a pain in the ass |
| 02:30.29 | kingsley | abrotman: Excessive joins or splits are unproductive. |
| 02:30.33 | qknight | mhall: that's what i'm doing every since |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | kingsley: that's retarded .. |
| 02:30.55 | mhall | qknight: the tool you want is called cron-apt |
| 02:30.55 | abrotman | kingsley: perhaps you hsould measure the time between join/split ? |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | and then if it's under a certain level . like .. 30 minute s.. count it |
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| 02:33.27 | kingsley | I understand your reasoning, but I'm not convinced that adding a threshold would be a worthwhile addition. |
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| 02:35.15 | abrotman | kingsley: well . the way it is now is pretty stupid .. either count them reasonably . or not at all .. and also ... you should exclude timeout quits paired with autorejoins |
| 02:35.22 | mhall | i know what'd be a worthwhile subtraction |
| 02:35.25 | mhall | the entire project |
| 02:35.29 | pppoe_dude | so i guess vlc doesnt really support streaming real media |
| 02:35.34 | mhall | since it's ridiculous at its very core |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | since by your reasoning .. a person should be connected all the time .. but sometimes network problems cause bouncing |
| 02:35.53 | mhall | pppoe_dude: real media is kind of a broken format |
| 02:36.09 | SimonRaven | i know.... |
| 02:36.12 | mhall | pppoe_dude: they're headed up in seattle by a bunch of windows fanatics |
| 02:36.21 | SimonRaven | aaah, better |
| 02:36.24 | mhall | pppoe_dude: not an esp. great start when you seek linux interoperability |
| 02:36.27 | pppoe_dude | mhall, only reason i need it is to record my lectures |
| 02:36.39 | mhall | pppoe_dude: can't you use something standard |
| 02:36.41 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies kingsley |
| 02:36.58 | pppoe_dude | mhall, they use streaming media, and mplayer used to be able to dump those |
| 02:37.00 | mhall | SimonRaven: lollercoaster |
| 02:37.05 | pppoe_dude | *streaming real |
| 02:37.09 | mhall | pppoe_dude: ah i see what you mean |
| 02:37.17 | pppoe_dude | however |
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| 02:37.19 | mhall | pppoe_dude: i thought you meant you were the one doing recording |
| 02:37.32 | pppoe_dude | mplayer was very very buggy with realmedia... unexplainable errors |
| 02:37.36 | pppoe_dude | mhall, nope |
| 02:37.45 | mhall | pppoe_dude: hmm |
| 02:38.00 | mhall | pppoe_dude: what happens when you run vlc <url> |
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| 02:38.18 | pppoe_dude | [00000268] real demuxer error: invalid header |
| 02:38.18 | pppoe_dude | [00000251] main playlist: nothing to play |
| 02:38.29 | mhall | pppoe_dude: also try xine, it works when i run it on real stuff through kaffeine |
| 02:38.37 | pppoe_dude | ya ill try that |
| 02:38.40 | mhall | pppoe_dude: i'm unsure of whether it rips streams but perhaps it does |
| 02:38.44 | pppoe_dude | but xine doesnt dump streams |
| 02:38.51 | pppoe_dude | (lol) |
| 02:38.51 | mhall | pppoe_dude: shitstick |
| 02:39.01 | pppoe_dude | ill figure something out |
| 02:39.04 | mhall | pppoe_dude: cause it plays like a champ |
| 02:39.14 | mhall | pppoe_dude: you'll probably have to scare up something over google |
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| 02:39.39 | pppoe_dude | mhall, true but with real, xine was very buggy when seeking an rm file |
| 02:39.48 | mhall | pppoe_dude: ! worked for me |
| 02:39.48 | pppoe_dude | mhall, but generally its good |
| 02:40.02 | mhall | pppoe_dude: but then again i have experimental cause i'm %-) |
| 02:40.07 | pppoe_dude | mhall, keep in mind i was running a prett unstable system then |
| 02:40.25 | kingsley | abrotman: My statistics use a global threshold of eights measures combined. Only the ten highest and lowest are reported. |
| 02:40.34 | dvs | Ahh! It's nice being in KDE again. |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | kingsley: i realize that .. the use of joins/parts as a metric .. is stupid :) |
| 02:41.04 | Phated | kingsley: You should report all of them, I want to see where I am! |
| 02:41.14 | mhall | that proves the old theory about statistics |
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| 02:41.21 | Phated | 75% of them are made up. |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | kingsley: just idling in the channel is worthlesss |
| 02:41.25 | mhall | the amount of number crunching you do doesn't make your results any better |
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| 02:41.45 | mhall | the only thing that makes results good is measuring useful stuff accurately |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | nor do you count total number of lines .. |
| 02:41.53 | jharrison | later #debian |
| 02:41.57 | mhall | no amount of fancy skullduggery can change that |
| 02:42.02 | findme | jharrison, later |
| 02:42.08 | jharrison | see you in another 2 months |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | nor do i actually understand duplicate lines |
| 02:42.21 | kingsley | Phated: You're 0.11. |
| 02:42.24 | mhall | abrotman: repeating is bad |
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| 02:42.33 | dondelelcaro | are we still going on and on about these silly stats? |
| 02:42.41 | Phated | kingsley: Awww, gee, what position? Top, bottom, 69? |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | mhall: oh .. i forgot |
| 02:42.52 | mhall | Phated: good comeback |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: we love them! |
| 02:42.58 | Phated | mhall: Heh. |
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| 02:43.02 | mhall | abrotman: ;-) easy to do in here esp. on sunday |
| 02:43.18 | mhall | abrotman: since it seems to be the technique du jour |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | my brain gave up .. at like 6pm :) |
| 02:43.43 | mhall | abrotman: you lasted quite a while for a sunday |
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| 02:43.47 | shingouz | more caffeine abrotman |
| 02:43.48 | mhall | abrotman: i give you props |
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| 02:44.09 | abrotman | shingouz: nah .. it's bed time in a hour or so |
| 02:44.12 | mhall | mrverbose: start talking already damnit |
| 02:44.28 | abrotman | mhall: i showed up late today . i was home-home this weekend |
| 02:44.36 | mhall | abrotman: ah no wonder |
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| 02:45.31 | mhall | yeah i fell off kingsley's ranking as of late because i'm either helping too much or not swearing enough |
| 02:45.40 | Faust | hi |
| 02:45.44 | mhall | but i'm sure i'll balance the books sooner or later |
| 02:45.45 | Faust | hi |
| 02:45.52 | mhall | Faust: salutations |
| 02:46.01 | Phated | mhall: Fucking hell, thanks for the tip. ;) |
| 02:46.11 | alex6z | Hi, debian seems to run nice on older computers, none of that python stuff and extensive shell scripts like gentoo has - will it run on p133-32MBram okay? |
| 02:46.14 | SimonRaven | mhall: shoulda seen the string of 'fuck's i laid out earlier ;) |
| 02:46.18 | Faust | has anyone installed TinyX with sarge? |
| 02:46.30 | SimonRaven | oh, you were here. damn my time sense is off |
| 02:47.03 | mhall | Phated: yeah no fucking problem |
| 02:47.17 | kingsley | SimonRaven: I seem to recall that damn small linux is a debian derivative that's targeted to older, obsolete hardware. |
| 02:47.18 | mhall | Phated: wouldn't want to fuck anybody over when i learned what the fuck to do the hard fucking way |
| 02:47.23 | dondelelcaro | alex6z: yes. |
| 02:47.24 | shingouz | alex6z: why not, just do not even think about installing anything heavy like gnome or kde |
| 02:47.26 | pppoe_dude | mhall, how did you install real codecs for xine? |
| 02:47.32 | pppoe_dude | mhall, on sarge |
| 02:47.35 | dondelelcaro | alex6z: assuming you install sane things, of course. |
| 02:47.38 | kingsley | alex6z: I seem to recall that damn small linux is a debian derivative that's targeted to older, obsolete hardware. |
| 02:47.40 | mhall | kingsley: that's kind of the point of the name of it |
| 02:48.01 | mhall | kingsley: though you seem to be the type of guy on whom the irony is lost |
| 02:48.06 | kingsley | SimonRaven: Oops. Wrong nick. |
| 02:48.13 | mhall | kingsley: at least this way it ups your profanity score |
| 02:48.21 | mhall | pppoe_dude: yeah one sec |
| 02:48.26 | mhall | pppoe_dude: finding link |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | Debian runs just fine on older machines |
| 02:48.34 | pppoe_dude | mhall, thanks :) |
| 02:48.37 | Phated | mhall: Yeah, that would be fucking horrible. |
| 02:48.48 | Faust | Might run better with TinyX |
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| 02:48.55 | alex6z | kingsley, dondelelcaro shingouz on :) Xorg and blackbos should run nice - gentoo is so slow booting up it's insane with all it's shell scrits and updating modules for 30 seconds |
| 02:48.55 | Faust | on older machines |
| 02:49.03 | dvs | alex6z: It's mostly those heavy graphical environment that run slow on old computers. |
| 02:49.10 | mhall | Phated: yeah no fucking kidding |
| 02:49.25 | mhall | pppoe_dude: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html <-- grab their two codec packs |
| 02:49.27 | alex6z | dvs, and Gentoo with all the non binary programs it has |
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| 02:49.34 | abrotman | alex6z: try a 2.4 kernel with X4 and blackbox .. it might work .. though a web browser will take a while to load ;) |
| 02:49.40 | mhall | pppoe_dude: install into /usr/lib/win32 |
| 02:49.43 | pppoe_dude | mhall thnaks |
| 02:49.44 | Phated | mhall: Yeah, no shit. |
| 02:49.51 | alex6z | WHAT IS WITH THE F word IN THIS ROOM EVERY 20 SECONDS? |
| 02:50.00 | Phated | Why the fuck do you care? |
| 02:50.02 | dvs | alex6z: Fuck. I don't know |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | AND THE CAPS! |
| 02:50.14 | Phated | OH MY GOD THE CAPS, THE fucking CAPS |
| 02:50.15 | mhall | Phated: The best thing about cracking jokes on kingsley is that he never replies. |
| 02:50.20 | alex6z | abrotman, dillo won't |
| 02:50.22 | mhall | Phated: So you always get the last word. |
| 02:50.24 | Phated | mhall: No fucking shit? Cool! |
| 02:50.28 | SimonRaven | ONE MOR E TIME |
| 02:50.33 | Phated | FUUUUCK |
| 02:50.34 | alex6z | I wish I was an op |
| 02:50.37 | Phated | ... ahem. |
| 02:50.39 | mhall | Phated: I know, it rocks the fucking casbah like the 1989 quake. |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | alex6z: yeah .. but X4 isn't nearly as small as X3 .. it will still take a bit to load |
| 02:50.52 | Phated | mhall: That kicks a load of fucking ass. |
| 02:51.20 | mhall | yeah it's teh 1337!!!!!!!!!11111111111eleventyone111!!!exclamationpoint11111 |
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| 02:51.23 | pppoe_dude | wget is cool |
| 02:51.30 | Phated | No shit, pppoe_dude. |
| 02:51.49 | klingon | you can swear in #debian :-D |
| 02:51.57 | mhall | klingon: yeah it's a great fucking place |
| 02:52.11 | Phated | Why the fuck should we not, just because you don't? |
| 02:52.17 | mhall | alex6z: you say that like it's a good thing |
| 02:52.27 | alex6z | it is a good thng |
| 02:52.36 | mhall | alex6z: perhaps to you |
| 02:52.37 | alex6z | :~ |
| 02:52.38 | Phated | For you, maybe. |
| 02:52.49 | alex6z | yes for me |
| 02:52.50 | mhall | alex6z: but the rest of us are intelligent enough to decide on our own value systems |
| 02:52.58 | Phated | Hear fucking hear. |
| 02:53.01 | klingon | swearing repeatedly is so not cool |
| 02:53.08 | shingouz | hehehe... i have missed all this nice banter, the atmosphere is so warm and relaxing here :) |
| 02:53.08 | Phated | So... fuck off. |
| 02:53.09 | alex6z | yeah... your wisdom is so great |
| 02:53.30 | mhall | alex6z: and prefer it if others were intelligent enough to lead by example rather than by condemnation |
| 02:53.44 | Phated | shingouz: Pull up a chair. Drink? Peanuts? |
| 02:53.49 | alex6z | what do you mean by lead |
| 02:54.00 | Phated | alex6z: We have nothing against you not swearing; do, however, leave us alone. |
| 02:54.01 | shingouz | hmm... some tea please, Phated |
| 02:54.17 | Phated | Abso-fucking-lutely, shingouz. |
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| 02:54.31 | alex6z | IT bothers me |
| 02:54.34 | kingsley | An argument against swearing is about half way down http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml. It's titled " Avoid emotive speech". |
| 02:54.41 | shingouz | i could use a new fucking keyboard though, the upper row of letters gets crapped out too damned often |
| 02:54.42 | xevious | ncurses-dev and ncurses-runtime to get it installed? |
| 02:54.51 | xevious | and able to use make menuconfig for kernel config? |
| 02:54.51 | ghostys | anyone here play bf2 ? |
| 02:54.53 | Phated | alex6z: Nope, sorry, you won't get us to stop swearing just because you don't like it. Ignore us if you want. |
| 02:54.53 | mhall | kingsley: Just because somebody wrote an argument doesn't mean it's a good one. |
| 02:55.04 | dvs | shingouz: Those keys actually stop working? |
| 02:55.08 | Phated | shingouz: Fucking hell, I'll ship you a cheap one. :) |
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| 02:55.11 | alex6z | I prefer to bother you guys back |
| 02:55.17 | mhall | kingsley: Furthermore the argument makes assumptions with which I do not even agree. |
| 02:55.27 | shingouz | Phated: IBM M type? |
| 02:55.28 | Phated | Oh, in which case, we're completely entitled to tell you to fuck off repeatedly. |
| 02:55.31 | mhall | alex6z: Well you've failed; we're laughing at your prudish outbursts. |
| 02:55.32 | Phated | shingouz: Fuck no. |
| 02:55.37 | alex6z | lol |
| 02:55.43 | alex6z | I am laughng too |
| 02:55.45 | shingouz | Phated: i'll take a raincheck then |
| 02:55.46 | alex6z | you can't win |
| 02:55.58 | mhall | alex6z: it's not about winning |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | kingsley: there are other guidelines too .. and they aren't followed either |
| 02:56.07 | Phated | shingouz: Aight. |
| 02:56.08 | klingon | any self righteous debian fanbois in here |
| 02:56.08 | shingouz | alex6z: no, we are worldwide already |
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| 02:56.17 | mhall | klingon: surely |
| 02:56.22 | alex6z | lets put it this way |
| 02:56.28 | Phated | Fangrrrrl here, soz. |
| 02:56.32 | alex6z | ... in this life ... |
| 02:56.40 | klingon | mhall ahh how could i not see them :D |
| 02:56.41 | pavey | mhall: thanks for the advice, I got kdebase-dev installed finally. on to building kmail. |
| 02:56.47 | alex6z | Jesus said, the first shall be last and the last first |
| 02:56.48 | mhall | alex6z: it's about respect for other's viewpoints and methods of expression |
| 02:56.49 | mhall | pavey: :-D |
| 02:56.50 | klingon | hehehe |
| 02:56.56 | mhall | pavey: glad to hear it buddy |
| 02:57.09 | mhall | s/other's/others'/g |
| 02:57.21 | alex6z | Bad company corrupts good character |
| 02:57.24 | pavey | mhall: i'll be glad when this whole ABI transition is over! |
| 02:57.24 | alex6z | :) |
| 02:57.25 | xevious | aptitude lists pcmcia-source as deprecated, but the docs on debian.org say you need it for pcmcia support. how do i build a modules_image kpkg without using pcmcia-source? (i downloaded the 2.6.14.3 tar.bz2 from kernel.org) |
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| 02:57.46 | mhall | pavey: that makes 150,000 of us if my other personalities count |
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| 02:57.49 | Phated | alex6z: You're aware that quoting at us doesn't affect us very much - we're likely to be part of those doing the Porn For Bibles thing. |
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| 02:57.54 | pavey | yea for sure |
| 02:58.02 | Phated | I would be, for one \o/ |
| 02:58.05 | mhall | pavey: based on the bogus stuff kingsley measures i'm allowed to count my other personalities i think |
| 02:58.10 | Phated | mhall: Heh. |
| 02:58.13 | alex6z | Phated, what is porn for bibles? |
| 02:58.15 | shingouz | Phated: porn for bibles? should i hit google? |
| 02:58.32 | alex6z | www.tubgirl.com |
| 02:58.38 | alex6z | =D |
| 02:58.44 | pavey | hah! |
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| 02:58.47 | mhall | alex6z: your statement presupposes my vocabulary and character are related |
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| 02:58.48 | Phated | shingouz: It's on like... boingboing or something. check it out. Folks are giving away porn if you bring your bibles in. |
| 02:58.52 | Phated | alex6z: See above. |
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| 02:59.02 | shingouz | Phated: wooooo :) |
| 02:59.02 | klingon | This place is a major lemonparty hehe |
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| 02:59.08 | mhall | Phated: omfg that's some seriously hilarious shit |
| 02:59.14 | Phated | shingouz: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/02/atheist_group_offers.html |
| 02:59.20 | Phated | mhall: No shit. :) |
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| 03:00.04 | shingouz | Phated: hilarious |
| 03:00.21 | Phated | shingouz: Absolutely. |
| 03:00.37 | Phated | Gotta love those atheists, ungod bless their souls. |
| 03:00.47 | shingouz | heh |
| 03:00.58 | shingouz | may the Force be with you |
| 03:01.01 | Phated | Hear hear! |
| 03:01.16 | alex6z | they are runing the world |
| 03:01.25 | alex6z | for everybody else |
| 03:01.25 | Phated | Prolly. Hopefully. |
| 03:01.32 | Phated | 'running', or 'ruining'? |
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| 03:01.37 | shingouz | oh. the Them |
| 03:01.37 | alex6z | ruining |
| 03:01.57 | psychonate | man, this kernel is taking forever to compile. I shoulda stripped it down more :( |
| 03:01.59 | Phated | shingouz: What he fails to realise is that he is part of Them. |
| 03:02.08 | shingouz | !beer Phated |
| 03:02.14 | Phated | Woo \o/ |
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| 03:03.19 | kingsley | psychonate: Are any status lines scrolling past your screen? |
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| 03:03.40 | mhall | shingouz: the Fark is definitely with them |
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| 03:04.01 | shingouz | that too.... i have not checked out the fark in ages though |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | psychonate: why did you compile a kernel at all? :) |
| 03:04.10 | alex6z | Does anyone in here belive that Jesus christ dies and rose again from the dead? |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | alex6z: wrong channel .. try #religion |
| 03:04.37 | mhall | alex6z: perhaps some believe he *died*; i doubt any believe he *dies* |
| 03:04.56 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:05.34 | mhall | if you're looking for militantly christian Linux users try #gentoo |
| 03:05.37 | mhall | but watch out |
| 03:05.38 | Phated | Hahah. |
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| 03:05.42 | Phated | !beer mhall |
| 03:05.46 | mhall | because they don't have any skilled users in their channel |
| 03:05.57 | dvs | mhall: I thought they were in #ubuntu? |
| 03:06.02 | shingouz | besides, this is about debian, not what we all believe in. personally i do not give a hoot who believes what as long as s/he can behave and lets me be myself |
| 03:06.03 | mhall | so if the shit hits your fan be prepared to scrape it off yourself |
| 03:06.13 | psychonate | abrotman, for this framebuffer bootsplash crap |
| 03:06.18 | mhall | dvs: gentoo blocks you if you have swearing in your nick or username |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | psychonate: have fun! :) |
| 03:06.24 | mhall | dvs: and kicks you if you swear |
| 03:06.31 | psychonate | abrotman, that's uplifting ;) |
| 03:06.36 | shingouz | mhall: no shit? :o |
| 03:06.36 | hansvi | if he rose from the dead, he just wasn't dead enough to begin with :p |
| 03:06.38 | alex6z | You can't takes your Linux box with you to the next life :P |
| 03:06.45 | mhall | dvs: even for the few weeks i used their crap escuse for an os, i didn't hardly stay in there |
| 03:06.46 | dvs | mhall: wimps |
| 03:06.51 | alex6z | You won't have it |
| 03:06.51 | shingouz | ssh into it? |
| 03:06.51 | Phated | WHAT next life? |
| 03:06.55 | mhall | alex6z: luckily there's isn't a next like to worry about |
| 03:07.00 | alex6z | shingouz, LOL |
| 03:07.01 | mhall | alex6z: so it's all good in the hood |
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| 03:07.20 | psychonate | Er, 'make-kpkg' finished, but I see no kernel package made :( |
| 03:07.23 | mhall | besides which i'm so 1337 and h4x0r i can write code in my brain for my brain |
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| 03:08.07 | alex6z | so you have to belive in Jesus Christ and store up treasure in heaven - then you have have all the riches in the world - quad cpu boxes :) |
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| 03:08.28 | psychonate | "No packages found matching kernel-source-2.6.12" |
| 03:08.29 | mhall | alex6z: or wait until 2007 when AMD releases 4-core Opterons |
| 03:08.32 | shingouz | mhall: the spoon or cap? |
| 03:08.32 | psychonate | Is that a problem? |
| 03:08.35 | mhall | psychonate: linux-source-* |
| 03:08.40 | mhall | psychonate: name change |
| 03:08.48 | alex6z | mhall, but that have 300GHZ CPUs in heaven |
| 03:08.55 | mhall | shingouz: cap luckily |
| 03:09.04 | mhall | shingouz: fortunately didn't hit it too hard |
| 03:09.10 | shingouz | heh |
| 03:09.12 | xevious | quick stupid question (i believe) during make menuconfig. i don't need math emulation right? (pentium III) |
| 03:09.15 | mhall | shingouz: but i'll think twice before opening beeer again near PC |
| 03:09.20 | mhall | xevious: nope you don't |
| 03:09.20 | shingouz | xevious: no |
| 03:09.23 | xevious | figured |
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| 03:09.29 | mhall | xevious: but if you had checked it it wouldn't have hurt |
| 03:09.32 | xevious | thanks |
| 03:09.37 | mhall | xevious: just waste a teeny bit of ram |
| 03:09.49 | psychonate | mhall, eh, I'm not following you. I don't see the package anywhere. |
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| 03:10.42 | mhall | psychonate: couple things |
| 03:10.42 | mhall | psychonate: debian does not always offficially support all kernel versions |
| 03:10.42 | psychonate | alrighty |
| 03:10.42 | mhall | psychonate: and those they do support are changed over time |
| 03:10.42 | mhall | psychonate: so it's possible that file is not longer in the archive |
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| 03:10.46 | mhall | psychonate: snapshot.debian.net is where you go if you really need it |
| 03:10.46 | Gokee2 | Laptops are annoying... You can`t tear them apart to see whats inside |
| 03:10.55 | Phated | Uhm... yes you can. |
| 03:10.57 | shingouz | Gokee2: of course you can |
| 03:11.06 | hansvi | btw, I just tried a dist-upgrade tonight , but it wanted to uninstall a lot of apps I use (like kontakt, juk, ..). So I just went for a normal upgrade. Is there something going on? |
| 03:11.12 | psychonate | mhall, wait, are we talking about the same thing? 'make-kpkg' gave me that line |
| 03:11.15 | mhall | psychonate: otherwise consider using newer / older source, preferably 2.6.14 |
| 03:11.16 | shingouz | Gokee2: do you want it to work after you dismantle it? |
| 03:11.24 | Gokee2 | lol |
| 03:11.26 | dvs | hansvi: etch (testing) ? |
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| 03:11.34 | hansvi | sid |
| 03:11.38 | mhall | psychonate: make-kpkg shouldn't do that |
| 03:11.39 | Gokee2 | I want the manufacture to still replace it if it has a problem :) |
| 03:11.41 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: Mine worked after I dismatled it. |
| 03:11.43 | mhall | psychonate: what did you tell it to do |
| 03:11.54 | eiko | what /etc/init.d was the one to exit x again? |
| 03:11.55 | shingouz | Gokee2: if you do not need it to run again, use a hammer. if you want it to work, use smaller tools |
| 03:12.01 | scarynetworkguy | Gokee2: Most will. Hell most provide instructions for upgrading. |
| 03:12.04 | psychonate | mhall, all I did was issue 'make-kpkg --initrd' |
| 03:12.06 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: been there, done it :) |
| 03:12.12 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: #debian would work a lot better if we dismantled kingsley's website |
| 03:12.19 | mhall | psychonate: hmm |
| 03:12.38 | mhall | psychonate: one thing, new 2.6 changed from initrd to make ramdisks to yaird |
| 03:12.46 | mhall | psychonate: so might try installing yaird package |
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| 03:12.53 | mhall | psychonate: and one guy reported he had a problem |
| 03:12.58 | psychonate | mhall, this kernel is 2.6.12 if thtat helps |
| 03:13.03 | psychonate | s/thtat/that |
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| 03:13.11 | Phated | Hahahaha. |
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| 03:13.19 | shingouz | Gokee2: blingbling |
| 03:13.20 | Phated | Gnome... KDE... other stuffs. :) |
| 03:13.28 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: I for one am taking the road of just ignoring it. His sort see *any* attention as good attention. As fun as it might be to mock him, and trust me I understand how very fun that is. It is counter-productive to the goal of having him go away. IMO. |
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| 03:13.33 | mhall | psychonate: i can't help you a lot because i have to use vanilla source code |
| 03:13.34 | Gokee2 | Phated, herm... xdm? |
| 03:13.40 | Phated | Gokee2: Prolly. |
| 03:13.43 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: that's a hell of a point |
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| 03:14.02 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: i'll have to mock him on #d-offtopic instead |
| 03:14.03 | Gokee2 | It looked easyer then apt-geting everything... |
| 03:14.18 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: unlikely his godloving soul would go there |
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| 03:14.24 | puff | hm. |
| 03:14.33 | mhall | hehe, funny, alex6z ran a ctcp version on me |
| 03:14.42 | mhall | maybe he's trying to 1337h4x my irssi |
| 03:14.46 | psychonate | Well, does anyone else have any idea why 'make-kpkg --initrd' would tell me "No packages found matching kernel-source-2.6.12." at the end? |
| 03:15.02 | dvs | psychonate: because it's called linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 03:15.07 | mhall | but when he does he'll just be in my great big user account full of porn and other ungodly materiel |
| 03:15.13 | mhall | so heaven help him if he gets in |
| 03:15.28 | xevious | no a.out necessary either, huh? |
| 03:15.39 | psychonate | dvs, I don't understand though. I'm just trying to make a kernel package with make-kpkg. |
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| 03:15.52 | psychonate | dvs, I'm not trying to apt-get install or anything |
| 03:16.21 | mhall | Tallia1Kubuntu: btw this isn't #ubuntu ;-) |
| 03:16.28 | xevious | mhall: did you catch that question? i dont need a.out, do i? |
| 03:16.29 | bucky | psychonate: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
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| 03:16.49 | mhall | xevious: hmm; what was i helping you with again |
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| 03:17.24 | xevious | mhall: kernel options |
| 03:17.26 | xevious | :) |
| 03:17.27 | xevious | sorry |
| 03:17.30 | mhall | xevious: ah ok, i spaced out |
| 03:17.34 | xevious | the world revolves around me! |
| 03:17.43 | mhall | xevious: yeah you don't need a.out support |
| 03:17.43 | findme | !revolve |
| 03:18.02 | mhall | xevious: about everything is switched to ELF |
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| 03:18.11 | mhall | !blame canada for selfishness |
| 03:18.18 | psychonate | bucky, alright, I will follow that. Thanks. |
| 03:18.23 | mhall | xevious: ;-) |
| 03:18.38 | mhall | xevious: fuck it anyhow it's canada's fault |
| 03:18.46 | kidubi | excuse me, which cd do i download for an AMD computer? |
| 03:18.49 | Gokee2 | What diffrences are their to ubuntu? It uses the same apt-get right? |
| 03:18.56 | shingouz | kidubi: i386 |
| 03:18.58 | findme | !fuck |
| 03:18.59 | dpkg | fuck is, like, a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 03:19.08 | kidubi | thanks |
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| 03:19.31 | paco_taco | hi everyone |
| 03:19.38 | xevious | mhall: in the networking options, what are all these transformation things? |
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| 03:19.57 | mhall | xevious: yeah you don't need any of it unless you're planning on firewalling |
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| 03:20.09 | xevious | mhall: so on a laptop running behind a firewall i dont need it |
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| 03:20.27 | myren | windows keeps assigning /dev/hda1 to drive d:, not c:, any way I can change this? |
| 03:20.27 | dpkg | This is #Debian, keeps assigning /dev/hda1 to drive d:, not c:, any way I can change this, not #bungholes! |
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| 03:20.29 | mhall | xevious: yeah firewalls on unix aren't real useful because there are hardly any ports open |
| 03:20.41 | shingouz | myren: nuke windows |
| 03:20.51 | puff | goddammit. |
| 03:20.56 | myren | shingouz: i have twice and the installer keeps making /dev/hda1 d: |
| 03:21.04 | puff | Ever have one of those days :-(. |
| 03:21.11 | paco_taco | i have debian sarge. my internet does not work. can anyone help me try to get my computer to detetc a connection? |
| 03:21.13 | shingouz | myren: why the hell do you istall it again then :p |
| 03:21.20 | fndude | puff yes, yes I have. |
| 03:21.20 | mhall | myren: yeah; use computer management's disk management snap-in to change letter assignment but don't ask more windows questions |
| 03:21.23 | myren | puff: dude i got punched in the eye by a girl. stfu. |
| 03:21.34 | mhall | myren: dude wtf happened |
| 03:21.45 | mhall | puff: what happened haha |
| 03:21.50 | puff | myren: that reminds me, time to go check bash.org for updates. |
| 03:22.11 | mhall | puff: oh shit that place rules |
| 03:22.13 | myren | drunk party in the hot-tub. she got a little pissed at me, decided to punch me, and happened to hit me square in the eye |
| 03:22.20 | Phated | Good girl. |
| 03:22.28 | dvs | Figures ;-) |
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| 03:22.38 | mhall | myren: what did you do |
| 03:22.56 | shingouz | mhall: you sure you want to know? :p |
| 03:22.56 | paco_taco | my reset button does not work. i am using debian sarge. any clues? |
| 03:22.57 | myren | last time i got hit in the eye it was from a kid named Will Hoar. This is about equally embarassing, getting hit by a girl |
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| 03:23.12 | findme | hit by a girl is not too bad |
| 03:23.15 | findme | if you ask me |
| 03:23.16 | mhall | shingouz: yeah i'm a veteran of debian-offtopic |
| 03:23.17 | findme | its ok |
| 03:23.19 | mhall | shingouz: i can take it |
| 03:23.28 | mhall | i got hit by one once |
| 03:23.31 | shingouz | paco_taco: reset button does not work sounds like a hardware problem |
| 03:23.35 | myren | yeah i can take it too, but she happeend to $$@#$@#$'ing maim me |
| 03:23.39 | myren | lucky shot. :/ |
| 03:23.55 | mhall | not surprising that i would either, i annoy a lot of people |
| 03:23.57 | findme | not a problem you will live and so will she take it easy bud! |
| 03:24.00 | mhall | so she wasn't the first or the last |
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| 03:24.08 | abrotman | myren: i'm pretty sure you can tell windows now to mount it in the .. uhm .. System Manager or whatever it is |
| 03:24.10 | paco_taco | shingouz, it worked fine with xp |
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| 03:24.25 | mhall | !+works in windows |
| 03:24.25 | dpkg | liar ! |
| 03:24.32 | mhall | paco_taco: no it didn't |
| 03:24.36 | Lennex | anybody here who's got NSCA Mosaic compiled on sarge? |
| 03:24.45 | liberal | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 03:24.47 | shingouz | !anybody |
| 03:24.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:24.57 | shingouz | ...had to.... |
| 03:24.58 | puff | heh... http://bash.org/?583977 |
| 03:25.08 | liberal | hiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 03:25.12 | paco_taco | mhall, also, i seemed to have lost my internet connection. |
| 03:25.12 | puff | I'm not even a videogamer, and I found that funny. |
| 03:25.21 | shingouz | liberal: yes yes |
| 03:25.39 | puff | liberal: American or European? |
| 03:25.50 | myren | i think the problem is that windows keeps putting /dev/hda2 to c:, so /dev/hda1 has to be d:... windows wont let me change /dev/hda1 because its the OS partition. arg. 30 minute reinstall just so i can wipe and reinstall |
| 03:26.05 | findme | http://www.fun-greetings-jokes.com/n/fx_fn2.htm |
| 03:26.28 | dvs | myren: I'd make the Debian partition a logical partition |
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| 03:27.01 | myren | it is, its /dev/hda5 |
| 03:27.30 | Lennex | it just shows how silly the concept of drive letters is |
| 03:27.56 | predius_ | Lennex: http://seanm.ca/mosaic/? |
| 03:28.11 | Lennex | yes, i found that |
| 03:28.22 | acid-trip | does anyone know a good tcl vault |
| 03:28.29 | xevious | mhall: i only need to pick one scheduler, right? |
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| 03:28.42 | acid-trip | i need to find a tcl script for an eggdrop to open a socket and listen to my shoutcast to say what's playing |
| 03:28.53 | Lennex | but my Mosaic crashes when loading a page with PNGs |
| 03:29.08 | EdibleText | puff, perhaps use serial console |
| 03:29.12 | myren | ah ha. /dev/hda2 somehow got tagged bootable |
| 03:29.21 | myren | thus windows made it the primary |
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| 03:30.08 | Lennex | but who cares, it least it was a funny experiment making Mosaic run |
| 03:30.19 | Muffie | hello all. im back. Im trying to download fglrx-driver, but Im receiving an error: Package fglrx-driver is not available, but is referred to by another package. Anyone knows what should I use? |
| 03:30.40 | Gokee2 | Geez this "x server package" thingy is going to take 8 hours |
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| 03:31.29 | Muffie | anyone? |
| 03:31.33 | Gokee2 | Its downloading really slow |
| 03:31.38 | tengulre | Muffie: yes! |
| 03:31.52 | Muffie | tengulre !!! Nice. Can you tell me what should I do? |
| 03:31.53 | Gokee2 | Muffie, Find another source :0 |
| 03:32.10 | Muffie | Gokee2 , that should be nice IF i knew how to change sources! |
| 03:32.37 | Gokee2 | Muffie, nano /etc/apt/sources.something |
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| 03:32.43 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 03:32.43 | dpkg | methinks ati debs is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 03:32.48 | findme | man sources.list |
| 03:32.57 | Gokee2 | Muffie, nano /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
| 03:33.00 | Muffie | abrotman , youre still here... |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | Muffie: for a bit |
| 03:33.21 | abrotman | Muffie: but you're also still here :) |
| 03:33.32 | ViViD | does kernel 2.6.8 include bootsplash? |
| 03:33.33 | Muffie | abrotman : Im back! |
| 03:33.42 | fndude | Muffie: yes add --> unstable main to the end of one of your sources. Make sure you back up that file before changing it. |
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| 03:34.12 | Muffie | fndude : my sources all have "testing" at the end... Should I change it to unstable? |
| 03:34.23 | shingouz | Muffie: NO |
| 03:34.54 | fndude | Muffie m if you are tryig to locate a package that is not currently in you sources, that will work. |
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| 03:35.11 | Muffie | hmmm, Im lost! :) |
| 03:35.15 | fndude | But it will try and updaet other packages to unstable, so you have to be careful. |
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| 03:35.54 | wazzles | my orinoco 802.11b card works in debian out of the box with no configuration needed, will I have the same luck with a 802.11 b/g card based on the same chipset? |
| 03:35.57 | VolVE | hey all, if I edit Grub's menu.lst file do I need to run anything afterwards to implement it? |
| 03:36.01 | Muffie | fndude : I have added the unstable word after each URL (not commented), just after testing and main. So now, it looks like this ... testing main unstable |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | wazzles: depends on the card |
| 03:36.05 | Synful | I forget, how do I specify in sources.list that I want to grab all testing releases too? |
| 03:36.09 | Muffie | fndude : is that correct? |
| 03:36.10 | cddesjar | !buzz |
| 03:36.11 | dpkg | from memory, buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 03:36.19 | fndude | Muffie no, its unstable main. |
| 03:36.24 | pusakat | !bo |
| 03:36.24 | dpkg | methinks bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 03:36.25 | abrotman | Synful: you mean you want to move your machine to testing ? |
| 03:36.30 | wazzles | well shoot |
| 03:36.42 | Synful | abrotman: I just want access to a couple testing packages |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | !tell Synful about pinning |
| 03:37.06 | fndude | muffie -> ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 03:37.17 | fndude | Muffie like so. |
| 03:37.42 | stew | Synful: you currently run stable? |
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| 03:37.57 | Synful | stew: yea |
| 03:38.03 | Synful | abrotman: I have no /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 03:38.06 | Muffie | fndude , ok. And the last line is like this: ...security.debian.org testing/updates main |
| 03:38.11 | stew | Synful: mixing stable and testing is a bad idea |
| 03:38.12 | abrotman | Synful: mixing releases is usually a bad idea |
| 03:38.13 | fndude | Muffie just watch apt, if that package depends on other unsatble packares.... |
| 03:38.19 | Muffie | fndude, I should change to unstable/updates? |
| 03:38.22 | fndude | er packages.... |
| 03:38.23 | tengulre | anybody use qmail daemon application in debian? |
| 03:38.24 | abrotman | Synful: what do you want from testing ? |
| 03:38.29 | Synful | postgres 8.1 |
| 03:38.32 | Muffie | fndude : ok.! |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | Synful: backports.org |
| 03:38.41 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: some people, but most stay away from djbware. |
| 03:39.09 | Gokee2 | I hate "desktop envirment" install |
| 03:39.11 | tengulre | oh! |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | Gokee2: so don't use it |
| 03:39.19 | shingouz | Gokee2: then do not install it |
| 03:39.37 | Synful | abrotman: 7.4 is the latest version there heh |
| 03:39.37 | Gokee2 | abrotman, I have to restart the instalation :( Which I am doing now) |
| 03:39.54 | Muffie | fndude, still not working!!! :( |
| 03:40.01 | Muffie | fndude : fglrx-driver... |
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| 03:40.08 | abrotman | Synful: backports.org .. READ |
| 03:40.16 | fndude | Muffie did you apt-get update? |
| 03:40.20 | Muffie | fndude : apt-get install fglrx-driver, fails. |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | Synful: it IS there .. |
| 03:40.24 | Muffie | fndude : sure |
| 03:40.36 | Muffie | fndude : and about the last line. testing/security? |
| 03:40.39 | fndude | Muffie did you apt-cache search fglrx-driver? |
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| 03:40.52 | cddesjar | backports.org is awesome! |
| 03:41.09 | cddesjar | Synful: did you look in pending? |
| 03:41.18 | fndude | Muffie you need to know what package you are looking for for sure. |
| 03:41.20 | shingouz | Muffie: unstable does not have security updates. and you really should read up on the sid faq before you do what fndude recommends you to do |
| 03:41.23 | Muffie | fndude , before: YES. but its not there anymore |
| 03:41.35 | Muffie | shingouz : ok |
| 03:41.48 | fndude | Muffie shingouz is correct I am giving you a hack, probably not the correct way. |
| 03:41.56 | stew | Synful: http://www.backports.org/pending/ |
| 03:42.02 | Muffie | fndude : NP. Ims just testing it anyway. |
| 03:42.14 | Muffie | fndude : Im just trying to install fglrx |
| 03:42.40 | shingouz | fndude: Muffie: the system may become "slightly" unstable after the upgrade |
| 03:42.55 | Muffie | shingouz : Ok. Im not using it for any critical task |
| 03:43.12 | cddesjar | Synful: add this deb http://www.backports.org/pending/ ./ to sources.list |
| 03:43.22 | Muffie | shingouz : Anyway, even after the changes, I cant install fglrx-driver |
| 03:43.38 | Muffie | shingouz : can you execute a apt-cache search fglrx? |
| 03:43.44 | netcrusher88 | how does one add the nonus and nonfree repositories? |
| 03:44.08 | shingouz | Muffie: no idea. try it |
| 03:44.44 | shingouz | netcrusher88: apt-setup (or edit /etc/apt/sources-list) |
| 03:44.49 | netcrusher88 | kk thank you |
| 03:44.52 | stew | netcrusher88: there is no non-us anymore /msg dpkg non-free |
| 03:45.04 | shingouz | good point |
| 03:45.05 | netcrusher88 | oh |
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| 03:45.23 | jbmigel | Muffie: go here and get it done. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 03:45.26 | Muffie | shingouz and fndude : At debian documentation is clear pointed that I should use apt-get fglrx-drivers. but its not present anymore. |
| 03:45.37 | netcrusher88 | why no non-us? |
| 03:45.44 | stew | netcrusher88: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 03:45.48 | Muffie | jbmigel : I cant get X to work!. |
| 03:46.24 | Muffie | no one here have an ATI card? |
| 03:46.25 | Muffie | :) |
| 03:46.26 | jbmigel | Muffie have you installed x-window-system? |
| 03:46.30 | Muffie | sure! |
| 03:46.37 | Muffie | My system was entirely functional |
| 03:46.42 | netcrusher88 | ah well |
| 03:46.45 | jbmigel | ah ok then what did you do? |
| 03:46.48 | Muffie | Im experiencing this problems after a dist-upgrade |
| 03:46.50 | netcrusher88 | that's good |
| 03:46.56 | fndude | Muffie Those are the radeon drivers? |
| 03:47.05 | Muffie | fndude : yes! |
| 03:47.06 | jbmigel | heh... Muffue did you upgrade to sid then? |
| 03:47.10 | Muffie | sid? |
| 03:47.12 | stew | Muffie: you need 3d accelleration? |
| 03:47.12 | Muffie | whats that? |
| 03:47.19 | xevious | anyone know if an ATI Rage Mobility laptop graphics chip is based on Rage128? |
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| 03:47.34 | Muffie | stew : Yes, but before that I need to have the fglrx module up and running! :) |
| 03:47.40 | jbmigel | Muffie you said you did dist-upgrade... what "dist" did you upgrade too? |
| 03:47.44 | stew | Muffie: which chipset? |
| 03:47.55 | Muffie | stew: nforce 2. |
| 03:48.08 | stew | Muffie: i mean which radeon chipset |
| 03:48.38 | Muffie | jbmigel : After the unsucessful dist-upgrade, I have updated my kernel to 2.6.12 and I have executed the dist-upgrade another time. This time it was sucessfull |
| 03:48.44 | Muffie | stew: Radeon 9600 XT |
| 03:49.49 | Muffie | jbmigel : but fglrx was not present anymore. So I have used apt-get remove fglrx-driver. When I tried to perform a apt-get install fglrx-driver |
| 03:50.03 | Muffie | It was not there anymore |
| 03:50.46 | Muffie | Well... at least my USB keyboard is working.... |
| 03:50.53 | jbmigel | Muffie; usually before someone dist-upgrades they change their sources.list to point to a new dist... did you maybe change this to "unstable" and have dist-upgraded a new version of xorg? |
| 03:50.57 | fndude | Muffie i searched for it on all of my sources, on seperate testing and unstable machines, indeed, it is not there. |
| 03:51.31 | Muffie | jbmigel : I did not touched my sources.list. They were all pointing to "testing". |
| 03:51.46 | Muffie | fndude : hmmm.. Used to be there! strange |
| 03:52.04 | Muffie | fndude : Im pointing to south american sources |
| 03:52.13 | netcrusher88 | what about a cross-grade to testing |
| 03:52.16 | Muffie | fndude : Damn South America! :) |
| 03:52.30 | netcrusher88 | just change stable in sources.list to testing? |
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| 03:52.42 | Muffie | netcrusher88 : No. they were always testing |
| 03:52.45 | jbmigel | Muffie if you upgraded your kernel i cant see fglrx working, just rebuild a new kernel module like it says in the link i sent you and then it will work |
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| 03:53.07 | netcrusher88 | Muffie: say what? |
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| 03:53.17 | Muffie | jbmigel : can you send me again? Ill try to use links2 text browser |
| 03:53.29 | jbmigel | Muffie: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 03:53.34 | netcrusher88 | Muffie: currently have stable installed |
| 03:53.48 | Muffie | netcrusher88 : Forgive my barbarian english. I said that my installed version was "testing" |
| 03:53.53 | staniel | hey guys, if I do a make modules, make modules_install and then run update-modules, do I have to restart before I can use the module? |
| 03:54.03 | netcrusher88 | ah gotcha |
| 03:54.16 | Muffie | netcrusher88 : What? |
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| 03:54.27 | netcrusher88 | I understand |
| 03:54.39 | fndude | staniel , no. lsmod to see if your module is running. modprobe module to install it. |
| 03:54.49 | pavey | staniel: no, you should be able to insert a module |
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| 03:55.09 | netcrusher88 | but would i crossgrade to testing from stable simply by changing sources.list to say testing and running apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 03:55.32 | bbrazil | netcrusher88: you'll need to update too |
| 03:55.39 | netcrusher88 | right |
| 03:55.45 | netcrusher88 | but it is that simple? |
| 03:55.51 | bbrazil | things might break |
| 03:55.55 | staniel | alright - so whats the mppe module then? |
| 03:56.25 | shingouz | netcrusher88: no, it does not work that way. you can upgrade but not really downgrade most of the times, you may bork your system very badly |
| 03:57.00 | netcrusher88 | shingouz: only going from stable to testing, not planning to go back to stable... |
| 03:57.43 | netcrusher88 | and do I need to delete the security updates source? |
| 03:57.45 | predius_ | netcrusher88: will work. |
| 03:57.55 | predius_ | i think testing hassecurity too |
| 03:57.59 | predius_ | since recently |
| 03:58.01 | karsten | netcrusher88: There's now a security update for testing, posted to debian-user a few weeks back by Joey Hess. |
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| 03:58.06 | karsten | predius_: Yep. |
| 03:58.07 | shingouz | netcrusher88: just comment it out |
| 03:58.20 | shingouz | there is? cool. |
| 03:58.24 | karsten | !testing security |
| 03:58.24 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 03:58.36 | netcrusher88 | wow |
| 03:59.17 | shingouz | i have to get back up to speed.... too long since i even bothered to listen to you guys :p |
| 03:59.48 | netcrusher88 | there's a debian.net? |
| 04:00.11 | netcrusher88 | so what should the url for the testing updates source be? |
| 04:00.27 | netcrusher88 | or what should the line look like? |
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| 04:01.37 | predius_ | netcrusher88: read the page dpkg pointed out |
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| 04:02.15 | netcrusher88 | thank you |
| 04:02.26 | paco_taco | can someone tell me the advantage that pure debian has over kanotix if they are both based on debian? |
| 04:02.27 | predius_ | :) |
| 04:02.50 | cddesjar | !kanotix |
| 04:02.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
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| 04:03.12 | shingouz | paco_taco: "both based on debian..." ffs, debian *is* debian |
| 04:03.16 | Tak|home | wouldn't it be more helpful to have "/msg dpkg about: install debian, bts, testing security, xorg sarge, paster, java, kde3.4, apt secure" ? |
| 04:03.30 | DaveRag | Hey can anyone help me I got a process going crazy from another user (sh script) but even when I reboot it's still working.. it changes PID really fast too. The command running is /bin/sh -c cat `find ${DEFAULT} -type f -follow` where does that come from? |
| 04:03.33 | Jacobo221 | what is better mplayer video output: xv or x11? |
| 04:03.40 | cddesjar | shingouz: nice...obvious debian can't be based on debian |
| 04:03.52 | Tak|home | Jacobo221: xv is hardware accelerated where possible |
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| 04:04.05 | Jacobo221 | Tak|home: thanks :) |
| 04:04.38 | paco_taco | shingouz, i was just saying that kanotix was based on debian; so, what is the harm on using kanotix |
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| 04:05.33 | predius_ | paco_taco: debian is debian. |
| 04:05.39 | predius_ | kanotix is canotix. |
| 04:05.41 | predius_ | *kanotix |
| 04:06.07 | shingouz | paco_taco: no harm done. you use kanotix, we do not support it |
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| 04:06.44 | paco_taco | predius_, can you use sid as server and feel safe? |
| 04:07.00 | predius_ | no |
| 04:07.19 | predius_ | paco_taco: don't even think about it |
| 04:07.21 | shingouz | paco_taco: why the hell would you like to do that? use sarge and be safe, feeling safe is not the same as being safe |
| 04:07.49 | pygrammer | so no one has any ideas regarding festival? |
| 04:07.57 | jmnet | if I delete my windows part. out of my system..can i use that extra space, if so, how do i go about doing that |
| 04:08.07 | paco_taco | shingouz, you mean 'testing'? |
| 04:08.16 | shingouz | paco_taco: no, i mean stable |
| 04:08.21 | shingouz | etch is testing |
| 04:08.24 | Guerin | jmnet: you'll want to put a filesystem on it with mkfs.ext3, or similar |
| 04:08.39 | Guerin | jmnet: not necessary to delete the partition first, just format over it |
| 04:09.12 | jmnet | guerin: ok, thanks much |
| 04:09.21 | paco_taco | shingouz, so sarge is 'safe' from viruses, worms, and mailcious code? is that why sarge is preferred? |
| 04:09.36 | predius_ | paco_taco: sarge has security updates and won't break. |
| 04:09.51 | shingouz | paco_taco: no, it is the preferred one because it is stable and has security updates |
| 04:10.09 | predius_ | viruses, worms, specifically targeted at linux will use holes which will be patched. |
| 04:10.17 | predius_ | and malicious code is just code. |
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| 04:10.27 | predius_ | linux won't normally break, anyway. |
| 04:10.35 | predius_ | unless they get root access. |
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| 04:11.04 | Guerin | you could lose all your user data |
| 04:11.06 | paco_taco | predius_, is debian sarge more secure than suse? |
| 04:11.13 | Guerin | that's quite bad, if you don't have backups |
| 04:11.27 | Guerin | paco_taco: debian is as secure as its admin, as is suse. |
| 04:11.34 | shingouz | paco_taco: this is #debian, what do you think the answer is going to be? ;) |
| 04:12.12 | paco_taco | shingouz, true...BUT, tell me what MAKES debian more secure than suse or mandrake, aside from your own preference? |
| 04:12.24 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 04:12.24 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 04:12.51 | colombian | hi |
| 04:13.18 | pavey | !tell pavey about source |
| 04:13.44 | shingouz | paco_taco: i make debian more secure because i know debian better than mandrake or suse, easier for me to configure |
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| 04:15.51 | paco_taco | shingouz, but isn't the bash shell in debian the same as the bash shell in suse? |
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| 04:16.53 | shingouz | paco_taco: it should be but i do not know what suse does. i do not want to start looking all over the system for files to edit when i already know where they are on a debian system. i am lazy |
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| 04:20.15 | Gokee2 | Hmm anyone know why my apt-get speed would be really slow? I have tried two diff sources.... |
| 04:20.53 | shingouz | Gokee2: slow connection perhaps? |
| 04:21.16 | Gokee2 | shingouz, Two times in a row? |
| 04:21.25 | shingouz | Gokee2: why not |
| 04:21.27 | Gokee2 | Its fast on the other computers |
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| 04:22.27 | darkfires | Gokee2 alot of debians respositories have roundrobin dns |
| 04:22.28 | shingouz | Gokee2: hmmm.... in that case something could be wrong at your end. is the download speed the same on all computers |
| 04:22.31 | rendi | The installer was unable to detect MySQL support in PHP. Please ask your host to ensure that PHP was compiled with MySQL, or that the proper extension is being loaded. |
| 04:22.33 | rendi | can help me |
| 04:22.47 | paco_taco | shingouz, any idea how to get an internet connection? it was working but my cable signal was interupted. |
| 04:22.52 | darkfires | Gokee2 one computer might be grabbing it from the same ftp.us.debian.org but actually connecting to a different IP address |
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| 04:23.15 | shingouz | paco_taco: not with that information. how are you connected to the net? |
| 04:23.18 | Gokee2 | I am only apt-geting on one computer right now |
| 04:23.21 | grendal_prime | think i figured it out |
| 04:23.23 | Gokee2 | The new one |
| 04:23.26 | pusakat | Gokee2, you can try using netselect-apt or apt-spy to find the closest mirrors to you? |
| 04:23.31 | grendal_prime | had a funky kernel installed |
| 04:23.36 | rendi | hello anyonae can help me ? |
| 04:23.41 | Gokee2 | pusakat, hmm how do I do that? |
| 04:24.00 | grendal_prime | nice nick by the way pusakat |
| 04:24.02 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 04:24.28 | Gokee2 | Guess I will have to wait tell its done apt-geting anyway |
| 04:24.48 | Gokee2 | To get "apt-spy" or "netselect-apt" |
| 04:25.20 | grendal_prime | i was asking earlyer but nobody seemd to know..when they plan on fixing the libstdc++ prob in testing? |
| 04:25.33 | pusakat | Gokee2, are you just starting an install? |
| 04:26.13 | Gokee2 | pusakat, I got the base installed I am just getting xdm now |
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| 04:27.08 | pusakat | Gokee2, xdm and other x stuff will be pretty large... if you install netselect-apt or apt-spy, it might be a smaller download and it could help speedup your subsequent downloading. |
| 04:27.08 | stdoubt | Is there a "recommended" crytpography system for debian? A Debian Way of crypto? the Debian Reference doesn't seem to mention it |
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| 04:27.24 | dusk_ | firefox 1.4 in yet |
| 04:27.29 | dusk_ | :D |
| 04:27.31 | dusk_ | 5 |
| 04:27.33 | Gokee2 | hmm it is done with a failed msg |
| 04:28.00 | cddesjar | dusk_: on sarge backports and in sid...or at 1.5rc3 |
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| 04:29.07 | raden | Can someone point me to a solution for this, Our compnay maintains a snail mail mailing list that we send out monthly thats on access right now, is there a linux solution that we can have a mailing list and print to avery 8162 mailing labels ? |
| 04:29.17 | puff | I'm replacing my old hardware, wholesale. Debian on the old box (woody, IIRC), plannin to use debian on the new box. |
| 04:29.38 | puff | I'm trying to figure out the best/easiest way to transition. |
| 04:29.39 | dusk_ | cddesjar, i apt-update with sid in sources.list.. but nada |
| 04:29.53 | puff | The hard drive on the old box is also getting flaky, so... |
| 04:30.02 | puff | For example, I can just copy oldbox:/home over to newbox:/home |
| 04:30.18 | puff | with rsync or whatever. |
| 04:30.31 | puff | Likewise copy oldbox:/etc/passwd newbox:/etc/passwd, and /etc/group as well. |
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| 04:31.08 | puff | From there... what? go through the apt config files and figure out what packages were installed? |
| 04:31.44 | cddesjar | dusk_: i think it's called firefox |
| 04:31.51 | cddesjar | dusk_: not mozilla-firefox |
| 04:32.05 | ke6isf | !info firefox sarge |
| 04:32.16 | ke6isf | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 04:32.21 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 04:33.44 | cddesjar | !info firefox sid |
| 04:33.52 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7585 kB, Installed size: 21588 kB |
| 04:33.58 | qknight | !info gentoo |
| 04:34.01 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
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| 04:34.12 | dusk_ | !firefox |
| 04:34.12 | dpkg | i heard mozilla-firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox, or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs\"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. Hit moznet (irc.mozilla.org) for the proper firefox support channel :) |
| 04:34.18 | dusk_ | !firefox sid |
| 04:34.27 | cddesjar | stop the bot abuse |
| 04:34.50 | dusk_ | you mean like keep typing in info so it spits the same thing? |
| 04:35.03 | qknight | !info debian-policy |
| 04:35.05 | dpkg | debian-policy: (Debian Policy Manual and related documents), section doc, is optional. Version: 3.6.2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB |
| 04:35.11 | qknight | dusk_: hey that's funny |
| 04:35.18 | dusk_ | got you |
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| 04:35.43 | pppoe_dude | what's the most common cause of choppy video/audio playback (real) when using xine? (choppy and sortof oscillated sound) |
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| 04:36.24 | Gokee2 | it might just be the place I am getting it from |
| 04:36.29 | muhoo | can any of the web-getting tools (curl, wget, lynx) seek to a specified byte in a file? |
| 04:36.46 | muhoo | i.e. i want to fetch an ogg stream from xx bytes in. |
| 04:36.49 | muhoo | using http |
| 04:36.52 | Gokee2 | I got one to cloock out at 75kbps |
| 04:37.02 | vulture | muhoo: I believe they can, yes.. don't recall exactly what to do though. |
| 04:37.15 | muhoo | vulture: haven't been able to find it in wget docs |
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| 04:37.26 | Pres-Gas | Hey all |
| 04:37.36 | stdoubt | muhoo: lftp is recommended over wget and it handles http |
| 04:38.00 | qknight | lol |
| 04:38.01 | muhoo | cool, i've used lftp for years, didn't know it did http |
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| 04:38.17 | |V\oNK | |V\oNK how can i make 'iptables-resrore filename' run at boot? |
| 04:38.17 | |V\oNK | |V\oNK thats all i wanna do.. it seems soooo simple to do, but i cant do it... |
| 04:38.18 | stdoubt | i'm 99.99% sure ;] |
| 04:38.26 | Pres-Gas | I have a dumb question. What happened to vnc4 on testing? |
| 04:38.28 | qknight | i'm reading a german document (in german) i states: in the most neighbour countries as the usa |
| 04:38.29 | |V\oNK | |V\oNK i tryed 'ln -s adsfsdfg sdfhsdc' |
| 04:38.29 | |V\oNK | |V\oNK no deals, im not sure if i just did it wrong, or if i just cant do it that way |
| 04:38.36 | |V\oNK | |V\oNK please help.. |
| 04:38.37 | |V\oNK | |V\oNK i have my "fw" or iptables setting saved to a file.. iptables-restore filename works fin manualy.. just cant get it to start at boot |
| 04:38.55 | muhoo | stdoubt: but will it let me pipe what it's fetching to stdout? i need that to feed it to ogg123 |
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| 04:39.25 | stdoubt | muhoo: that I don't know |
| 04:39.41 | muhoo | stdoubt: and it has lots of interesting net parameters, but seeking doesn't seem to be one of them |
| 04:39.43 | shingouz | |V\oNK: first of all, change your nick |
| 04:39.50 | muhoo | shingouz: heh |
| 04:39.54 | raden | do i have to have windows on my system to use wine ? |
| 04:40.18 | dusk_ | raden no |
| 04:40.29 | Pres-Gas | I lost my account that had my Debian subscriptions, so if the loss of vnc4 was announced, I missed it. |
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| 04:40.42 | stdoubt | muhoo: you could try just using a resume function of wget or such, then as you resume do the pipe |
| 04:40.49 | stdoubt | as opposed to seeking |
| 04:41.16 | muhoo | interesting. |
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| 04:45.08 | muhoo | cool. wget has a --header flag, apparently i can add the byte to seek there |
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| 04:47.06 | rendi | why anoynone don't wanna help me |
| 04:47.58 | JT | rendi: don't ask to ask |
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| 04:48.41 | rendi | ok i wanna instal smf |
| 04:48.51 | rendi | apache php mysql they are done |
| 04:49.04 | rendi | but whe i'm access install.php i got some err |
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| 04:49.55 | rendi | it say The installer was unable to detect MySQL support in PHP |
| 04:49.57 | Daltoris | Hey, all. Anyone have any idea why I'm getting nasty version conflicts between Qt and KDE packages in my APT tree? |
| 04:50.27 | paco_taco | shingouz, i am connected to a router and i have an always on cable connection |
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| 04:51.34 | Zaki_ | hi |
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| 04:52.29 | shingouz | paco_taco: nice. took you 27 minutes to get back to me. sorry but i have to go get some sleep at this time, getting late here |
| 04:52.38 | Daltoris | rendi: php3 or php4? |
| 04:52.58 | rendi | i'm use php4 |
| 04:52.59 | paco_taco | shingouz, sorry..was watching drawn together |
| 04:53.04 | Daltoris | make sure php4-mysql is installed |
| 04:53.07 | Daltoris | it's a seperate package |
| 04:53.18 | grendal_prime | grrr this is starting to piss me off |
| 04:53.24 | shingouz | paco_taco: and i must go watch some dreams... sorry |
| 04:54.01 | grendal_prime | im looking seriously at rebuilding this laptop with ....ahurm...stable... |
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| 04:54.09 | Zaki_ | hi |
| 04:54.09 | paco_taco | shingouz, i appreciate your help that you've already given me! |
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| 04:54.24 | grendal_prime | kinda a bummer |
| 04:54.31 | Zaki_ | anyone recommend a good and secure paid email service? |
| 04:54.47 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 04:54.48 | Daltoris | Zaki_: define secure |
| 04:54.53 | grendal_prime | ya no shit |
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| 04:54.58 | Zaki_ | Daltoris, not like hotmail |
| 04:55.11 | Zaki_ | Daltoris, or even yahoo |
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| 04:55.28 | Zaki_ | Daltoris, and SSL |
| 04:55.37 | grendal_prime | gmail...but i hear that s bogus deal now too |
| 04:55.37 | Daltoris | Zaki_: Okay, that's a good start -- but if you're sending email to normal people it hits plaintext at some point anyway |
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| 04:56.02 | Zaki_ | Daltoris, yes plain text |
| 04:56.09 | grendal_prime | secured mesengers are the way to go nowdays |
| 04:56.19 | rendi | thanks Daltoris |
| 04:56.23 | grendal_prime | pop is the shits |
| 04:56.29 | rendi | i'm forgot to install it |
| 04:56.50 | Daltoris | rendi: any time |
| 04:56.57 | grendal_prime | Zaki_, setup you own email server with imap ssl and give people an user accont on it if youwant to send secured email |
| 04:57.16 | Daltoris | Zaki_: what grendal_prime said if you have good uptime, otherwise i'm a fan of gmail |
| 04:57.40 | grendal_prime | i dont know..i hear bad things about gmail now |
| 04:57.44 | Daltoris | Zaki_: smalltime paid email scares me because the vendor can disappear, google seems to be in it for the long term |
| 04:58.36 | grendal_prime | man i got one wacked out situatioin with this damn laptop |
| 04:58.56 | Daltoris | what's bad things? it's a little creepy that they scan your mailtext for ad context but pretty much everyone's privacy policy covers that use at this point |
| 04:58.59 | Zaki_ | grendal_prime, Daltoris, ok i'll consider running my own email service thankx |
| 04:59.11 | JT | virtual servers are very cheap now |
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| 04:59.20 | JT | run your own email on a VS |
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| 04:59.25 | grendal_prime | that was the thing |
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| 04:59.44 | Zaki_ | i already have dedicated servers anyway thanx |
| 04:59.54 | Daltoris | Zaki_: if it's your first time, look into exim and cyrus; they're pretty easy to learn the first time through |
| 05:00.04 | JT | cool, so you have a venue for it already |
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| 05:00.23 | paco_taco | i am trying to setup a mysql server with apache and php at work. is there a way to do it so that i do not have to be AT WORK to add or edit the sql data? |
| 05:00.40 | grendal_prime | ya exim i think is the default not on stable installs |
| 05:01.23 | grendal_prime | i use it and clamassasin and a few scripts here and there to whipe out spam |
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| 05:02.04 | JT | it also great to read your email via ssh + screen + mutt |
| 05:02.05 | Daltoris | anyone know why i'm having issues with bits and pieces of the kde package set conflict with each other? kde-core and a lot of other stuff is installed (i'm running k now without runtime issues) but if i try to install the kde package proper, aptitude craps itself on broken packages (<150) |
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| 05:02.25 | Daltoris | i'm on testing if it helps. |
| 05:02.44 | dpupp | hello gods of debian :) |
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| 05:02.51 | dpupp | :) |
| 05:03.42 | Daltoris | is it just that my sources.list has a stable repositiory in it and installing things from stable makes life unhappy? you'd think they'd set the "satisfies" flag |
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| 05:03.57 | dpupp | i ahve a question... Ive been reading around a little bit about distros... but im still having a hard time choosing one for my really old jp Sony vaio notebook... I was wondering if someone could recomend (preferably debian based) |
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| 05:04.13 | stdoubt | Daltoris: kde is just a dummy package IIRC |
| 05:04.31 | dpupp | i currently have suse 9.2 pro available (boxed set) and ubuntu on hand.... |
| 05:05.14 | Daltoris | quick example: installing qcad breaks because, let's see....that kicks kpackage on for whatever reason, which depends on libqt3-mt, which conflicts with libqt3c102-mt |
| 05:05.18 | grendal_prime | Daltoris, there is something going on with testing right now...im totally pissed off about it actually |
| 05:05.30 | odla | dpupp, debian? |
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| 05:05.54 | odla | dpupp, otherwise try #ubuntu or #mepis |
| 05:05.54 | stdoubt | dpupp: if you're new to linux, either suse or ubuntu is a good choice |
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| 05:06.17 | odla | stdoubt, why debian isn't too hard to learn? |
| 05:06.28 | Daltoris | and of course if i ditch libqt3-mt for libqt3c102-mt a lot of things that depend on just libqt3-mt bitch. |
| 05:06.28 | grendal_prime | dpupp, i have a coppy of the suse on my desk now too...sitting there for testing...but i dont like the way theo poitics of novel seem to fuk things up all the time |
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| 05:06.37 | sm00f | cold someone recommend a commercial server for use with linux? im looking for hw, or an HCL |
| 05:06.37 | Daltoris | which makes me less than happy because i can't install TONS of stuff. |
| 05:06.39 | riddlebox | is anyone running asterisk? |
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| 05:07.23 | grendal_prime | Daltoris, im trying to figure out when the hell this is going to be fixed |
| 05:07.38 | Daltoris | had the same issue, or similar? |
| 05:07.48 | grendal_prime | im literally considdering aceing this testing install and putting stable on this machine |
| 05:07.48 | Daltoris | it doesn't show up in bugs.d.o. |
| 05:07.49 | dpupp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.04 | Daltoris | it'd run |
| 05:08.09 | Daltoris | maybe not happily. |
| 05:08.13 | Daltoris | but it'd run. |
| 05:08.18 | grendal_prime | dpupp, yep, i have that same machine your talking about..500mhz? |
| 05:08.42 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:08.43 | dpupp | im currently running XP on it and its not happy ;) |
| 05:08.48 | Guerin | Daltoris: what planet do you live one? |
| 05:08.53 | grendal_prime | im running testing on it and it works fine (old frozen testing now stable basically) |
| 05:09.00 | Lilldude10 | it would but not with that ram in gui |
| 05:09.03 | Guerin | debian runs *fine* on anything with more than 64MB |
| 05:09.25 | Guerin | ANY gui except gnome or kde will be flawless in 128MB |
| 05:09.27 | Daltoris | Guerin: by "happy" i mean "like the perfect little desktop environment a lot of people expect" |
| 05:09.33 | Guerin | and gnome/kde will still be usable |
| 05:09.41 | Guerin | Daltoris: it's still bullshit |
| 05:09.46 | grendal_prime | ya but Daltoris is probably pointing out that a desktop makes that machine slow..wich it does. |
| 05:09.48 | Lilldude10 | some kde/gnome |
| 05:09.56 | dpupp | so when i install debian, can i choose what window manager to use? |
| 05:10.06 | Guerin | Daltoris: you get to choose everything |
| 05:10.08 | Guerin | dpupp: |
| 05:10.10 | Guerin | dpupp: sorry |
| 05:10.13 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 05:10.18 | Guerin | Daltoris: sorry |
| 05:10.24 | grendal_prime | ya..i like the fuck option myself |
| 05:10.47 | Guerin | i recommend xfce4 for comfort:bloat |
| 05:10.56 | Lilldude10 | id like to my p550 512 debain faster |
| 05:11.04 | Guerin | gnome for discomfort and lots of bloat |
| 05:11.05 | Daltoris | i was all over fluxbox for a while |
| 05:11.05 | Lilldude10 | browsers are slow |
| 05:11.16 | Guerin | kde for a different kind of discomfort and lots of bloat |
| 05:11.36 | Daltoris | but then i needed to get a desktop up fast (~12 hours before classes start) post-HD fail and didn't want to deal with customizing a UI |
| 05:11.40 | Daltoris | so KDE worked for me |
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| 05:11.45 | Daltoris | dual cpus make it less painful anywa |
| 05:12.06 | Guerin | Daltoris: it takes you 12 hours to customise a desktop? |
| 05:12.09 | Guerin | what the hell |
| 05:12.18 | Daltoris | nope but i like to sleep occasionally |
| 05:12.24 | grendal_prime | you knwo whats werid...i did two installations last week...kde..stable i think...they were on pent 266's multimedia asus boards i think they are..i did the minimal kde install...i mean bear bones |
| 05:12.24 | Guerin | have i stepped through the looking glass into #gentoo? |
| 05:12.25 | jbroome | baj |
| 05:12.35 | dpupp | i basicly want it to do simple web browsing, some multimedia such as xvid and such (I gotta be able to watch anime), dvd, ... no games - that machine was never good for games. |
| 05:12.40 | grendal_prime | wich you can do...and i cant believe how fast and reliable they are |
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| 05:12.47 | Guerin | my main, everyday, do-everything box is a p2-233 laptop with 256 rams |
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| 05:13.05 | grendal_prime | they have had no complaints on those machines for over two weeks now...not even..."its kinda slow" nothing |
| 05:13.10 | drunkmist | wow thats a lot of rams |
| 05:13.12 | Guerin | i've run everything from kde 3.0 on it, and that when it had 128MB |
| 05:13.13 | drunkmist | I only have one |
| 05:13.29 | stdoubt | anyone here good with defoma? |
| 05:13.36 | Daltoris | so grendal_prime, you think my quest to get qcad up and running tonight is a futile one without massive repository kicking? |
| 05:13.52 | grendal_prime | hold on a sec..i use that too sometimes |
| 05:13.58 | grendal_prime | ill check |
| 05:14.02 | dpupp | ok. well, one way to find out is to install ;) so, i'll probably be back in a few with some questions if you guys dont mind. |
| 05:14.07 | Daltoris | i looked into python-cad or whatever it's called |
| 05:14.11 | Daltoris | and it looks fugly |
| 05:14.26 | Daltoris | if i've got to use cad i want eye candy to distract me from the hell that is using cad |
| 05:14.31 | grendal_prime | i like qcad..its simpe enough and gets the job done |
| 05:14.37 | xerophyte | how can i which application is using the swap |
| 05:14.46 | xerophyte | or is it possibel just wondering |
| 05:14.48 | Daltoris | well, qcad isn't so much eye candy as just fast |
| 05:14.54 | stdoubt | i used "defoma-font register-all fonts" 'fonts' is a text file with a list of all the fonts in my pwd...... 'echo $?' said "0" but the fonts don't show up in programs |
| 05:15.09 | Daltoris | xerophyte: lots of apps can be in swap at once, it just acts like RAM on your disk |
| 05:15.21 | Daltoris | xerophyte: are you wondering about seeing the full list of what's in it? |
| 05:15.52 | Daltoris | xerophyte: I like 'top' for a quick summary; run it and hit F to swap what category it sorts by , then select the option for Swap. |
| 05:16.22 | route-52 | is anyone know linux under 128 MB ! |
| 05:16.32 | grendal_prime | ya.... Daltoris i just tried it out with this wonky stup i got going on and i have to add the unstable repos to get it to want to put it in there.. |
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| 05:16.53 | grendal_prime | i think were screwd untell someone gets some time to work it out |
| 05:17.02 | Daltoris | grendal_prime: okay. well, it's not worth me strangling something over....i'll write the lab report i need and just sketch the stuff in pencil :P |
| 05:17.16 | grendal_prime | bummer |
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| 05:17.59 | grendal_prime | im thinking we can get one of the geeks laid...and that would speed things up...im just having a hard time figureing out who it is we need focus on here |
| 05:18.00 | Daltoris | i'll deal. it's not like i'm a cs major or anything, i don't need a perfectly functioning library set.... |
| 05:18.42 | grendal_prime | this hole laptop now is really werid |
| 05:18.54 | Gnea | grendal_prime: what's wrong? |
| 05:18.57 | grendal_prime | and i use it 8 hours a day... |
| 05:19.03 | Daltoris | route-52: look into http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Linux_bootable_USB_key_HOWTO |
| 05:19.19 | Daltoris | anyway |
| 05:19.24 | Daltoris | my physics lab calls |
| 05:19.24 | grendal_prime | well i decided to just rebuild the thing ..with a brand new testing installation |
| 05:19.26 | Daltoris | cheers folks |
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| 05:19.53 | Gnea | oh, you're using non-stable, heh |
| 05:20.02 | grendal_prime | bad timing really..it happend when testing was ...basically broken...i use that fkn kde desktop for alot of stuff..web dev stuff mosting |
| 05:20.09 | Daltoris | thanks for the reassurance that i didn't personally fuck my repository. if my APT has to take it up the rear, it makes things better that everyone else does too ;) |
| 05:20.32 | grendal_prime | ya were all getting fucked together now.. |
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| 05:20.38 | grendal_prime | its a big debian orgy |
| 05:20.38 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:20.40 | Daltoris | one great big geeky orgy |
| 05:20.54 | Daltoris | well, i'll leave you all to that |
| 05:20.55 | rohan | hi all |
| 05:20.55 | Daltoris | peace |
| 05:20.57 | grendal_prime | hahah ya bro...feel the burn |
| 05:21.08 | rohan | anyone using xorg on sarge ? |
| 05:21.19 | grendal_prime | hahah rohan...goood question |
| 05:21.29 | grendal_prime | and is it working for ya is a better one |
| 05:21.31 | Gnea | grendal_prime: when it comes to production quality, stable is really the way to go. if you absolutely *need* something with newer packages, then you may want to look at something like kanotix or mepis - if it's not specific enough, you could try ripping knoppix apart and rolling a whole new one up :) |
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| 05:21.58 | grendal_prime | ive been using debian for over a year now |
| 05:22.13 | grendal_prime | thing is at the time...stable did not have what was needed to get this laptop working |
| 05:22.23 | route-52 | daltoris : ok thanks |
| 05:22.29 | Gnea | grendal_prime: and if you need something with a business behind it, xandros and suse are there (of course, suse is rpm-based) |
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| 05:22.53 | grendal_prime | had to go testing...but now of cours it does have it because its...frozen and basically the distro that i was using |
| 05:22.58 | grendal_prime | i hate novel though |
| 05:23.09 | Gnea | yeah novell has issues |
| 05:23.14 | grendal_prime | the oonly problem is...i like the speed of xorg |
| 05:23.20 | grendal_prime | its damn fast |
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| 05:23.35 | Gnea | well you can get suse for free and install that |
| 05:23.43 | Gnea | they make 2 different releases for it |
| 05:23.47 | grendal_prime | i have pro on the desk at work... |
| 05:23.55 | psychonate | well, I got the boot splash working for the most part |
| 05:24.02 | psychonate | everything but the progress bar |
| 05:24.02 | grendal_prime | like i say..i dont like those guys |
| 05:24.18 | Gnea | grendal_prime: neither do i, but they've got something that debian doesn't. |
| 05:24.25 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:24.38 | grendal_prime | xorg in there stable? |
| 05:24.39 | Gnea | have you ever used ldap? |
| 05:24.45 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 05:24.45 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 05:24.55 | Gnea | !get xorg |
| 05:24.55 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 05:25.03 | Gnea | !xorg sarge |
| 05:25.03 | dpkg | i guess xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 05:25.05 | bodhisattva | can someone help me get 'iptables-restore fielname' to run at boot? |
| 05:25.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:25.14 | bodhisattva | it works fine manualy.. |
| 05:25.18 | Odla | Gnea: private message dpkg please |
| 05:25.27 | Gnea | Odla: bite me. |
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| 05:25.41 | Odla | !gentoosmite Gnea |
| 05:25.44 | Gnea | bodhisattva: you can add functionality in /etc/init.d/networking |
| 05:25.52 | Gnea | heh |
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| 05:26.01 | grendal_prime | Gnea, and that works? |
| 05:26.14 | Gnea | grendal_prime: AFAIK |
| 05:26.30 | Gnea | grendal_prime: i would google for it first though |
| 05:26.52 | Gnea | Odla: i usually do msg dpkg, but in this case is was warranted. |
| 05:26.53 | grendal_prime | well xfreee will work in the mean time.. |
| 05:27.07 | grendal_prime | i got kernel issues at this point as well..kinda pissing me off really |
| 05:27.08 | Odla | Gnea: i don't care... |
| 05:27.17 | Odla | i just wanted to gentoosmite someone |
| 05:27.23 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:27.27 | Gnea | very well then |
| 05:27.31 | stdoubt | bodhisattva: i'm sure there is a function within iptables itself like "iptables -S" for "save" or so... |
| 05:27.38 | grendal_prime | i cant get the kernel source to install with these werid ass probelms going on and i need to have shfs working |
| 05:27.42 | bodhisattva | i have the rules saved |
| 05:27.51 | Gnea | stdoubt: no, it's iptables-save > file and iptables-restore < file |
| 05:28.00 | bodhisattva | i need then to be applyed at boot automaticaly stdoubt |
| 05:28.14 | bodhisattva | them |
| 05:28.18 | stdoubt | so no built-in way to 'save' across boots? pfft go on...... |
| 05:28.22 | Gnea | bodhisattva: are you good at shell scripting? |
| 05:28.37 | bodhisattva | probley not |
| 05:28.53 | bodhisattva | im looking at networking atm |
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| 05:28.58 | bodhisattva | /etc/ini... |
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| 05:29.42 | Gnea | bodhisattva: i wrote a firewall_on() and firewall_off() functions to bring the firewall up and down on mine |
| 05:30.01 | bodhisattva | im on the newside to linux |
| 05:30.10 | Gnea | ah |
| 05:30.25 | bodhisattva | so what ever is less of an assualt on my linux knowladge would be prefered |
| 05:30.31 | bodhisattva | ;D |
| 05:30.34 | Gnea | well can you grok the networking script? |
| 05:30.42 | bodhisattva | cant i 'ln -s ' this? |
| 05:30.43 | Gnea | it's not an assault |
| 05:30.51 | Gnea | naw |
| 05:31.18 | bodhisattva | could i if i didnt need any flags/arugs to run w/ it? |
| 05:31.27 | bodhisattva | like a service |
| 05:31.47 | bodhisattva | grok = ? |
| 05:31.48 | Gnea | well there are other firewall solutions, such as shorewall, that provide such functionality |
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| 05:31.57 | Gnea | !grok |
| 05:31.57 | dpkg | somebody said grok was http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=grok |
| 05:32.04 | Gnea | grok == understand |
| 05:32.08 | bodhisattva | oh |
| 05:32.16 | Gnea | but more like "read and decipher" |
| 05:33.00 | bodhisattva | some what |
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| 05:33.46 | stdoubt | if i just throw a bunch of font.ttf files into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts will they get picked up by applications? |
| 05:34.01 | bodhisattva | some of thise blocks are easy |
| 05:34.13 | stdoubt | i have some nice fonts but can't see how to get them into action |
| 05:34.25 | riddlebox | how do I open a port for an app? |
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| 05:35.07 | bodhisattva | riddlebox, unless you mean in your firewall id think the app will open the right port |
| 05:35.08 | Gnea | riddlebox: what firewall are you using? |
| 05:35.47 | riddlebox | 5038, but I did everything that the site told me to do and restarted but I still cannot connect to the machine on that port |
| 05:36.16 | bodhisattva | can i just make a block homemadefw () { || blah blah blah || } Gnea |
| 05:36.27 | riddlebox | Gnea:I am not sure I dont even think there is one on it |
| 05:36.47 | bodhisattva | run netstat on the pc your trying to connect to |
| 05:37.13 | bodhisattva | i use 'netstat -a |grep :' |
| 05:37.37 | bodhisattva | that will tell you what ports are being used |
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| 05:37.51 | bodhisattva | is there any hope for me Gnea ? |
| 05:38.09 | rking | !asx |
| 05:38.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, asx is anti-synchronous extrapolation |
| 05:38.11 | rking | oh, sorry msgthebot - forgot |
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| 05:38.41 | rking | but, now that i've committed the faux-pax, is there open-source player for .asx streaming audio? |
| 05:39.21 | Gnea | riddlebox: if you didn't specifically set one up then it should already be open |
| 05:39.35 | Gnea | bodhisattva: try shorewall |
| 05:39.36 | riddlebox | hrmm I will see |
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| 05:42.36 | riddlebox | Gnea: I think I figured it out, I have to start asterisk, it is not started at boot |
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| 05:49.02 | bodhisattva | i want to just use my set of rules.. |
| 05:49.33 | bodhisattva | i dont want one of thier "feed us your setup and we will make you stuff" |
| 05:50.01 | bodhisattva | i just want my 5 like fw rule set to be start at boot |
| 05:50.22 | bodhisattva | small, efficent, and closer to ideal |
| 05:50.41 | bodhisattva | it would be ideal if i would pyull it off ; D |
| 05:50.47 | bucky | bodhisattva: gunzip /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz into /etc/init.d and read the directions in the comments in the file |
| 05:51.37 | bucky | bodhisattva: update-rc.d oldinitscript defaults |
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| 05:51.49 | bucky | to have it start at boot time |
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| 05:53.19 | beginner | i have a debian box with two NICs, one is connected to ISP router and the other to my office switch. i can ping the router but i can not ping any pc on the lan side??? |
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| 05:54.43 | bodhisattva | what network is the router on? |
| 05:54.51 | bodhisattva | the ISP? |
| 05:55.56 | beginner | router is on 10.0.2.0/24 and the lan on 10.0.1./24 ( note: i can ping debian box using its ip on the 10.0.2.0/24 network) |
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| 05:57.39 | bodhisattva | it could be your defualt gateway depending on the setting |
| 05:57.53 | Gokee2 | Whoever told me about apt-spy is really cool....... To bad I forgot or I would tell him :) Uped my speed by about 30-50 times :)!! |
| 05:58.34 | bodhisattva | id love to help you figure this out, but i have a 50 line essay to trun in in,.,, 8 hrs.. |
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| 05:59.46 | netcrusher88 | is it normal for make-jpkg to take an immense amount of time? |
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| 06:00.03 | mhall | 50 lines isn't jack crap |
| 06:00.12 | _joey | has ayone optimized ext3 for a small number of large files ? |
| 06:00.22 | mhall | i have two projects due tomorrow |
| 06:00.27 | mhall | _joey: yeah trivial |
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| 06:00.37 | _joey | give an example |
| 06:00.55 | mhall | _joey: one meg or four meg or larger of files |
| 06:01.12 | mhall | _joey: -T largefile or -T largefile 4 on mkfs.ext3 |
| 06:01.34 | _joey | can it be done with tune2fs ? |
| 06:02.08 | netcrusher88 | does anyone have any experience with make-jpkg? |
| 06:02.23 | netcrusher88 | the whole java package thing? |
| 06:02.42 | netcrusher88 | never mind, it's done...finally |
| 06:02.45 | bodhisattva | ifs 50 more then id like.. |
| 06:03.21 | mhall | _joey: let's see |
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| 06:05.36 | _joey | well, -T is not the only option. |
| 06:05.39 | Babajobu | Hello, the site I'm working on needs to contain two "domains", one top-down and one user-driven, with a Slate Magazine-type effect in one domain with a myspace effect in the other...i'm worried that one CMS will have a hard time doing both well...am I right to be worried about that? |
| 06:05.41 | Babajobu | I was told that the mega tech gurus in this channel would know the answer to this question |
| 06:05.52 | mhall | _joey: no i think not |
| 06:05.54 | _joey | that only control the number of inodes allocated that would save extra space |
| 06:06.07 | _joey | there' max block size, fragment size |
| 06:06.14 | _joey | options and something else |
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| 06:06.59 | mhall | _joey: and journal size |
| 06:07.08 | mhall | _joey: so you probably have to ask #kernel |
| 06:07.25 | mhall | _joey: and consider XFS |
| 06:07.34 | _joey | not as trivial as you thought it 'd be :) |
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| 06:08.21 | mhall | _joey: well it's definitely the most important option |
| 06:08.31 | mhall | _joey: the rest of them are not going to do much for you really |
| 06:08.52 | mhall | _joey: the FS is a pretty small percentage of the disk performance unless you pick a really pathological one |
| 06:09.05 | mhall | _joey: bigger deal is 10 or 15k spindle motors |
| 06:09.13 | mhall | _joey: that's what will really make it speedy |
| 06:09.35 | mhall | _joey: most of the latency comes from drives just being slow |
| 06:09.40 | mhall | _joey: even when they are fast |
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| 06:12.12 | Babajobu | anyone in here know about CMSs? |
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| 06:13.09 | m0wax | How can I make it so that ordinary users can restart apache on a server? As I understand sudo only allows them to do it in a certain time period? |
| 06:13.27 | mhall | m0wax: not quite |
| 06:13.42 | mhall | m0wax: it allows them to do it for a certain amount of time after entering their password |
| 06:14.02 | mhall | m0wax: so that if people stay logged in you can't use them to h4x r00t |
| 06:14.25 | Babajobu | mhall, do you know about CMSs? |
| 06:14.39 | mhall | !+anyone |
| 06:14.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:14.48 | mhall | i've done a tiny little bit |
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| 06:14.54 | mhall | but i'm more of a hacker |
| 06:14.58 | Babajobu | okay |
| 06:15.24 | stdoubt | Is there a "recommended" crytpography system for debian? A Debian Way of crypto? the Debian Reference doesn't seem to mention it |
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| 06:16.05 | mhall | stdoubt: can you give more specifics |
| 06:16.18 | mhall | !+sicco |
| 06:16.18 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 06:16.28 | cookiecaper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:16.41 | jair_11 | guys I am using dyndns.org but I am not sure if I can make it point to a static domain name I register. |
| 06:16.46 | mhall | cookiecaper: yeah hold up a sec |
| 06:16.48 | jair_11 | registered already |
| 06:16.56 | cookiecaper | ermm... yeah that didn't come out right. |
| 06:17.11 | servus | jair_11: You need to pay DynDNS for that service. zoneedit.org provides such a service for free. |
| 06:17.16 | mhall | cookiecaper: i'm gathering info from my box to tell you what you need |
| 06:17.20 | stdoubt | mhall: i'm looking for a system which is indepentant of any specific kernel configs -something "user-land" for full disks |
| 06:17.46 | mhall | cookiecaper: look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.preinst |
| 06:17.51 | mhall | cookiecaper: and see what's messing up |
| 06:18.09 | mhall | cookiecaper: then just 1337h4x the script; install will finish, then purge broken package back off the box |
| 06:18.12 | jair_11 | servus, this is the confusion I have, I need a dynamic updater, I just register right now with "dyndns.org" |
| 06:18.36 | jair_11 | servus, I have my web site hosted in zoneedit.com = www.pcguruji.com |
| 06:18.48 | servus | Write a script to post to zoneedit |
| 06:19.02 | servus | Via wget or whatnot |
| 06:19.07 | jair_11 | servus, but then this people from dyndns.org ask me to regiter with them in order to get the updater client |
| 06:19.23 | servus | Should be easy enough to write your own custom updater client |
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| 06:20.03 | jair_11 | servus, but it will update the ip automatic and with not intervention of me? |
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| 06:20.34 | mhall | stdoubt: alright, that's not going to be easy |
| 06:20.46 | mhall | stdoubt: your best bet is loop-aes.sf.net but it's a kernel deal |
| 06:21.00 | mhall | stdoubt: beyond that just encrypt the files by using gpg and scripts |
| 06:21.11 | servus | jair_11: If you write it right, and cron it... |
| 06:21.12 | doubleukay | anyone knows of a database of cpu ids? where i can match the info i get from /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 06:21.24 | stdoubt | mhall: i've looked at loop-aes and it looks good but not too portable |
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| 06:21.34 | mhall | stdoubt: what kind of portability do you want |
| 06:21.38 | mhall | stdoubt: it's in knoppix |
| 06:21.49 | jair_11 | servus, ok I am looking for the script wget or the other one |
| 06:21.59 | jair_11 | servus is in the page of zoneedit.com |
| 06:22.24 | stdoubt | mhall: ideally portable to the extent the cyphertext and the tools would run on any kernel |
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| 06:23.08 | Faust | Does tinyX necessitate specially compiled apps? |
| 06:23.20 | stdoubt | mhall: what i'd worry about is accidentally killing a system (for reinstall or whatever) then not knowing how to config a new kernel to be able to see my encrypted disks |
| 06:23.21 | mhall | stdoubt: yeah that's not going to happen with anything yet but check out F / USE user space fs patch |
| 06:23.33 | mhall | stdoubt: use loop-aes and knoppix |
| 06:23.44 | mhall | stdoubt: i rescued data off my loop aes with knoppix |
| 06:23.54 | mhall | stdoubt: loop aes is kept 100% backward compatible with itself |
| 06:23.54 | stdoubt | mhall: i gave FUSE a skimming -i'll relook at it -TY |
| 06:23.58 | servus | jair_11: I meant write a script that uses wget. I'm sorry, I have to go now. |
| 06:24.01 | mhall | stdoubt: problem with FUSE is |
| 06:24.10 | jair_11 | servus, ok thanks |
| 06:24.11 | mhall | stdoubt: very new to main kernel, might not work right |
| 06:24.18 | mhall | stdoubt: and maybe nobody does crypto with it |
| 06:24.30 | stdoubt | mhall: hmmmmm sounding better -if knoppix can do it that means debian can too :) |
| 06:24.40 | mhall | stdoubt: yeah I do it as we speak |
| 06:24.53 | mhall | stdoubt: i have hundreds of GB entrusted to it |
| 06:24.57 | cookiecaper | mhall, I looked at the script and have concluded that I don't have the appropriate skills to 1337h4x it. Will you help me? ^_^ |
| 06:25.36 | mhall | cookiecaper: pastebin.ca it |
| 06:25.40 | mhall | cookiecaper: and the error |
| 06:25.50 | jair_11 | servus, wget -O - --http-user=username --http-passwd=password 'http://dynamic.zoneedit.com/auth/dynamic.html?host=www.mydomain.com' |
| 06:25.52 | mhall | cookiecaper: and i'll see if i can at minimum give you a start |
| 06:26.05 | cookiecaper | pastebin is here: http://pastebin.com/449248 |
| 06:26.20 | Ethics | GTK devel packages....i have libgtk2.0-dev what else would i need? |
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| 06:26.27 | jair_11 | if I use this script in my server, this will update my ip address automatically |
| 06:26.42 | cookiecaper | I can't upgrade my etch system. It keeps trying to install the unstable version of libc6. |
| 06:26.47 | jair_11 | I am trying to make the dyndns to work with zone edit |
| 06:26.52 | mhall | cookiecaper: ? |
| 06:27.14 | mhall | cookiecaper: btw in future don't use .com |
| 06:27.24 | mhall | cookiecaper: hard to repaste stuff cause line nums are fucked up |
| 06:27.51 | mhall | cookiecaper: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 166: ldd: command not found |
| 06:28.11 | mhall | cookiecaper: that's a tough problem since it's a preinst script |
| 06:28.19 | mhall | cookiecaper: cause they get unpacked from the deb |
| 06:28.29 | mhall | cookiecaper: so you can't overwrite the deb's version easily |
| 06:28.35 | mhall | cookiecaper: let's see if i can get workaround |
| 06:28.44 | liable | jair_11: why not use ddclient? |
| 06:29.06 | jair_11 | liable, do not idea of how? |
| 06:29.24 | mhall | cookiecaper: what did you do to C lib |
| 06:29.26 | jair_11 | I can get it from sourgeforge right |
| 06:29.28 | jair_11 | ? |
| 06:29.41 | liable | jair_11: its in the debian repo's |
| 06:30.13 | jair_11 | liable, ok 1- I have a web site online already registered with "zoneedit.com" |
| 06:30.24 | cookiecaper | mhall, hmm I see, okay. Line 166 is "exit 1", so that's weird to have an error there, isn't it? I did nothing to C lib. I tried to upgrade almost a week ago and got that error; I presumed it would be fixed in a few days (with the guidance of abrotman), but it still doesn't work, so I'm a little worried. |
| 06:30.35 | jair_11 | liable, www.pcguruji.com is the domain name of my site, but the IP address is dynamic. |
| 06:30.36 | mhall | cookiecaper: NO! it's not weird it would be error |
| 06:30.43 | liable | jair_11: it does zonedit apparently |
| 06:30.48 | mhall | cookiecaper: exiting with nonzero return code is considered to be failure |
| 06:30.52 | jair_11 | liable, yes |
| 06:30.56 | mhall | cookiecaper: the problem is |
| 06:31.01 | mhall | cookiecaper: your ldd command is missing |
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| 06:31.05 | mhall | cookiecaper: let's see how to get it back |
| 06:31.22 | liable | jair_11: and the reason you cant use ddclient is? |
| 06:31.23 | mhall | cookiecaper: ok problem is ldd is in libc6 package |
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| 06:31.27 | chihau | hello |
| 06:31.28 | mhall | cookiecaper: here's how to get back ldd |
| 06:31.36 | stdoubt | holy 5h1+ i just had a monitor start smoking.......... |
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| 06:32.10 | mhall | cookiecaper: go into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:32.11 | Ethics | dont panic....turn it off and open a window....PS you need a new monitor |
| 06:32.16 | mhall | cookiecaper: find libc6 deb |
| 06:32.28 | cookiecaper | The other weird thing is it's trying to install the wrong version of libc6, I have alll source set to testing, and it is giving me unstable. mhall, yeah that'd be nice. Sorry, I'm not so familiar with bash. |
| 06:32.35 | jair_11 | liable, I am trying to find the best solution to securily and reliable host or maintain updating the ip address or keep it kind of static? but I will have to poit always something like: ---->www.pcguruji.com -----> ddclient--------->pcguruji site |
| 06:32.39 | mhall | cookiecaper: then what you can do is |
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| 06:33.06 | liable | jair_11: it can poll, at set intervals and update it automatically. |
| 06:33.11 | mhall | cookiecaper: dpkg -x *libc6*.deb ~/libc6 |
| 06:33.15 | chihau | i have running a ldap samba nfs server, but i have a problem with the workstation when I run aplication its so slow |
| 06:33.15 | jair_11 | liable, the reason is that I am not sure if is what I need to have the site always running and pointing to the same ip. |
| 06:33.20 | mhall | cookiecaper: go into ~/libc6 and fetch ldd binary |
| 06:33.23 | Ethics | cookiecaper, did you do apt-get update after you changed the sources?...your obviously mixing... |
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| 06:33.29 | mhall | cookiecaper: copy to /usr/bin |
| 06:33.44 | jair_11 | liable, ok I will apt-get install ddclient... |
| 06:33.49 | jair_11 | liable, and then? |
| 06:33.59 | cookiecaper | Ethics, yes. okay mhall, I'll try it, thank you. : ) |
| 06:34.03 | liable | jair_11: i have a dynapic ip, behind a router and ddclient updates it without problems after every ip change. |
| 06:34.45 | horza | would I get horribly mauled by ya'll if I were, per chance, using Debian, Libranet, and Ubuntu sources simutaneously in my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 06:35.29 | Ethics | horza umm yeah pretty scary adventure you are on....less drugs!! |
| 06:35.41 | horza | Eh, I was bored one night |
| 06:35.45 | mhall | !bitchslap horza |
| 06:36.10 | horza | strangely enough, everything is working just fine |
| 06:36.15 | Ethics | horza....well iff your using pinning you may be somewhat ok but good luck with that 8) |
| 06:36.40 | Ethics | horza it probab;y will until somehting nasty changes.... |
| 06:36.57 | horza | I think I'll add debian sid sources... |
| 06:37.03 | jair_11 | liable, pefect that is what I want to do as well but this is the only problem |
| 06:37.45 | jair_11 | liable, I have pointing zoneedit: www.pcguruji.com ---> curret.ip.address |
| 06:37.46 | Ethics | horza...ubuntu and etch are prtty close structure wise...in fact some stuff is pretty shared but its also getting different changes at different times so if they both change something at the same tim for different reasons....somethings likely to break |
| 06:38.02 | horza | cool |
| 06:38.13 | horza | I want to see how long it takes, as well as how to fix it... |
| 06:38.19 | jair_11 | liable, how I will be able to tell the zone edit that pcguruji.com --> will be a different IP ---? |
| 06:38.29 | cookiecaper | mhall, that seems to have fixed it, thank you very much. :) |
| 06:38.34 | jair_11 | because zone edit is my dns server right now |
| 06:38.50 | mhall | cookiecaper: hahaha |
| 06:38.51 | Ethics | horza...having said that use upgrade with sid sources and youll prolly toast it...reinstall time type way |
| 06:38.59 | mhall | cookiecaper: raping the bitch the ugly hack way |
| 06:39.03 | jair_11 | liable, |
| 06:39.03 | mhall | cookiecaper: it's what i do best |
| 06:39.11 | cookiecaper | :) |
| 06:39.11 | horza | ah, but thats not the point, the point is how to fix it |
| 06:39.22 | jair_11 | liable, that is why, I was downloading the dyndns.org updater client |
| 06:39.25 | mhall | cookiecaper: i'm often the go-to guy for ugly fixes in #d |
| 06:39.47 | liable | jair_11: you have totally confused me. you just need to update a hostname to your ip? or something else? |
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| 06:40.03 | cookiecaper | Cool man, I appreciate it, truly. Thanks. I haven't seen you in here before. Are you here a lot? |
| 06:40.04 | Ethics | what else would be looked for under the title GTK development libraries other than libgtk2.0-dev? and its requireds of course |
| 06:40.19 | mhall | cookiecaper: since 1998 |
| 06:40.27 | jair_11 | the hostname is pcguruji.com but it is pointing to a specific ip now, if the ip change my hostname will not be reached. |
| 06:40.30 | mhall | cookiecaper: i'm also famous for being the biggest swearer |
| 06:40.48 | mhall | cookiecaper: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/profanity |
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| 06:40.50 | liable | jair_11: yes, ddclient will do that. |
| 06:41.17 | jair_11 | liable, so I will have to create one domain name, with ip dynamic updater client, and then pointing to the zoneedit: www.pcguruji.com |
| 06:41.27 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:41.31 | jair_11 | let's try it |
| 06:41.40 | jair_11 | liable, I will install it right now |
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| 06:42.16 | Ethics | i find it rather funny that DPKG comes in third... |
| 06:42.32 | liable | for thanks or swearing? |
| 06:43.02 | cookiecaper | cool, thanks. I'll look forward to seeing you. I gotta jet now. Bye! |
| 06:43.03 | deadcat | swearing |
| 06:43.04 | chihau | i have running a ldap samba nfs server, but i have a problem with the workstation when I run aplication its so slow |
| 06:43.31 | jair_11 | liable, I install it already |
| 06:43.42 | Ethics | liable swearing.. |
| 06:43.50 | jair_11 | liable, ohh I see |
| 06:44.18 | jair_11 | liable, I did not need to register an domain name with dyndns.org just use the ddclient |
| 06:44.33 | jair_11 | liable, because the ddclient will support zoneedit.com |
| 06:44.35 | liable | jair_11: no. its free software |
| 06:44.39 | liable | yes... |
| 06:44.47 | jair_11 | ok of course ;) |
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| 06:45.02 | jair_11 | liable, perfect do you use zoneedit as well? |
| 06:45.17 | liable | jair_11: nah dyndns. |
| 06:45.44 | jair_11 | liable, so you do not pay for a real domain name? like "pcguruji.com" |
| 06:45.53 | jair_11 | I have it like that in zoneedit.com |
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| 06:46.04 | jair_11 | www.pcguruji.com |
| 06:46.29 | liable | jair_11: if zone edit gives you that name, then good luck to you, i dont really know about them. |
| 06:46.40 | jair_11 | liable, so I think in your case you use the "myname.dyndns.org" right? |
| 06:46.49 | Coweater | is there any way to use truetype fonts with gtk 1.x apps? |
| 06:46.54 | jair_11 | liable, that is the one you use |
| 06:46.58 | liable | jair_11: yeah, theres a few different ones you can have |
| 06:47.03 | _joey | what option do I set in /etc/fstab so that the fs is mounted during boot and rwx by a regular user ? |
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| 06:47.15 | jair_11 | liable, yes but mine will be much more simple I think ;) |
| 06:47.29 | liable | jair_11: is the server behind a router? |
| 06:47.40 | jair_11 | yes |
| 06:47.45 | jair_11 | liable, yes it is |
| 06:48.03 | liable | jair_11: then read this, you'll need to edit the config.. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00767.html |
| 06:48.14 | jair_11 | I am little bit confuse here, I do not know if I need a dyndns.org domain? |
| 06:48.26 | jair_11 | liable, ohh ok |
| 06:48.31 | jair_11 | I will check that |
| 06:48.47 | mhall | ah to be a foul individual |
| 06:48.51 | jm_ | _joey: 'man fstab' and 'man mount' to read about auto-mount; as for rwx for user, it depends on what kind of fs it is |
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| 06:52.21 | jair_11 | liable, ok I do not think it will work. |
| 06:52.25 | doubleukay | what's the status of intel NX support in the mainstream kernels? is it supported? |
| 06:52.30 | jair_11 | liable, I purchase a domain name. |
| 06:52.36 | jair_11 | liable, pcguruji.com |
| 06:53.02 | liable | jair_11: ok. |
| 06:53.03 | jair_11 | I registered jair.homelinux.com with dyndns.org |
| 06:53.42 | liable | and? |
| 06:53.50 | jair_11 | the ddclient updater will change the Ip but always i will be able to reach the web server through the domain name = jair.homelinux.com |
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| 06:54.17 | jair_11 | but I want that the people access to the web server or my web site using the domain name "pcguruji.com" |
| 06:54.37 | jair_11 | liable, instead the long one from dyndns. |
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| 06:55.15 | Ethics | doubleukay, kernel.org |
| 06:55.22 | doubleukay | hey hi Ethics |
| 06:55.30 | doubleukay | got my debian up and running already ;) |
| 06:55.33 | liable | jair_11: well, thats up to the dns being uupdated by whoever you got that domain name from. |
| 06:55.36 | jair_11 | So I am trying to firgure out how to do that make that the request from a jair.homelinux.com being send to www.pcguruji.com |
| 06:55.36 | Ethics | doubleukay, howdy...you get that dell going? |
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| 06:55.48 | bucky | jair_11: pcguruji.com works for me |
| 06:56.04 | Ethics | doubleukay, di with new kernekl? |
| 06:56.06 | doubleukay | yes, but the kernel i've been compiling fail to boot - because the / is on LVM |
| 06:56.07 | jair_11 | bucky, yes it is working because my ip address has not being changed |
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| 06:56.30 | doubleukay | yups, someone on #paste suggested a custom d-i to download |
| 06:56.52 | Ethics | !di 2.6.12 |
| 06:56.55 | doubleukay | i've since passed that on to another person on the dell-linux list :) |
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| 06:57.07 | liable | jair_11: so you need to update the records for your purcheased domain, is that what you mean? |
| 06:57.09 | jair_11 | liable, zoneedit let me use their dns servers and put the domain name pcguruji.com = ipaddress that will change |
| 06:57.17 | jair_11 | yes |
| 06:57.22 | jair_11 | hmm the records |
| 06:57.30 | jair_11 | and put it to what? |
| 06:57.37 | jair_11 | they are ok right now |
| 06:57.59 | jair_11 | I can access to pcguruji.com everywhere but my problem is what idf the ip address change |
| 06:58.17 | jair_11 | zoneedit is not updated automatically |
| 06:58.45 | jair_11 | it will continue pointing pcguruji.com to the ip I address I leve the last time |
| 06:59.08 | liable | jair_11: ddclient does zonedit. reconfigure it to use zonedit instead of dyndns. |
| 06:59.42 | jair_11 | that is what I doing I chose zoneedit.com |
| 06:59.56 | jair_11 | so i choose = pcguruji.com |
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| 07:00.15 | jair_11 | liable, no I have this question and I do not know what really is? |
| 07:00.24 | jair_11 | Interface used for dynamic DNS service: ? |
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| 07:00.42 | jair_11 | liable, the system is asking me for ---> Interface used for dynamic DNS service: |
| 07:00.45 | liable | your ethernet.... eth0 or whatevr. |
| 07:00.57 | jair_11 | eth0 or eth0 |
| 07:01.01 | jair_11 | sorry eth1 |
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| 07:01.13 | jair_11 | the red interface |
| 07:01.29 | nevyn | red interface? |
| 07:01.30 | jair_11 | red access to internet green access internal only |
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| 07:01.46 | jair_11 | never, I mean the one that have the access to the internet |
| 07:02.05 | jair_11 | nevyn, , I mean the one that have the access to the internet |
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| 07:02.46 | chino2 | i just build a package from source should i use checkinstall or dpkg to install it ? |
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| 07:03.10 | nevyn | jair_11: /me checks his network cards.. nope they're all green and silver here.. I havn't seen a red pcb nic.. only red card's I've seen recently are graphics cards.. and oldschool GUS's |
| 07:03.10 | xevious | i did a netinst of testing and couldn't get the network card working with 2.6, so i had to use the 2.4 install. can someone point me in the right direction for a guide to what i need to change to update to 2.6, or will simply compiling a 2.6 kernel do the job? |
| 07:03.35 | predius_ | chino2: checkinstall does not install it. |
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| 07:03.50 | predius_ | chino2: you use it and then install the deb |
| 07:03.51 | chino2 | hm sorry im coming from slackware |
| 07:04.08 | jair_11 | nevyn, funny |
| 07:04.10 | chino2 | so you can t use dpkg to install it ? |
| 07:04.39 | predius_ | chino2: checkinstall |
| 07:04.43 | chino2 | ok now how do i install the deb ? |
| 07:04.47 | predius_ | then use dpkg to install the deb |
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| 07:04.52 | chino2 | -i ? |
| 07:04.53 | predius_ | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 07:04.57 | chino2 | :} |
| 07:04.58 | jair_11 | liable, Enable this if ddclient should be run every time a PPP connection is established? I should say yes here? |
| 07:04.59 | predius_ | :( |
| 07:05.00 | liable | ouch |
| 07:05.10 | liable | jair_11: no |
| 07:05.19 | chino2 | thanks |
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| 07:05.20 | jair_11 | liable, that is the connection of dsl with the central ISP? |
| 07:05.23 | jair_11 | no ok |
| 07:05.24 | liable | jair_11: are you using ppp? |
| 07:05.26 | predius_ | dpkg: wtf |
| 07:05.46 | jair_11 | liable, I am using adsl. |
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| 07:05.54 | jair_11 | liable, pppoe |
| 07:05.58 | jair_11 | ADSL |
| 07:06.21 | jair_11 | liable, the answer still no then right? |
| 07:06.29 | jair_11 | ppp is a dial up protocol? |
| 07:06.36 | jair_11 | or connection |
| 07:06.44 | blondie | you can use ppp with adsl |
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| 07:06.52 | jimy | poin to point protocol |
| 07:06.58 | liable | jair_11: how do you start your internet connection? |
| 07:07.13 | jair_11 | liable, it is always running |
| 07:07.37 | jair_11 | liable, but the first time i configure my connection I use pppoe a user name and password to connect. |
| 07:07.47 | jair_11 | using the router web interface. |
| 07:07.51 | xevious | just installed debian testing, but had to do the 2.4 install. are there any packages i have to install and config files i should alter, before switching to 2.6? |
| 07:07.53 | liable | jair_11: then, no. |
| 07:07.59 | jair_11 | liable, ok |
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| 07:08.22 | predius_ | xevious: nope |
| 07:08.35 | jair_11 | liable, and this one should be a "deamon" or system start up? |
| 07:08.44 | jair_11 | liable, I think as system start up? |
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| 07:08.52 | xevious | predius_: i have to add sysfs and such to /etc/fstab, right? |
| 07:09.08 | liable | jair_11: daemon |
| 07:09.14 | jair_11 | cool |
| 07:09.20 | predius_ | xevious: it should work automatically |
| 07:09.31 | Ethics | is there a nice easy way to push linux up the drive so i can load up a win2k/xp os and then fix grub again?...sucks but i need an xp bootable for some offbeat hardwar and dont have nay sacrificial boxes atm 8) |
| 07:09.57 | xevious | predius_: nice. thanks |
| 07:10.01 | predius_ | Ethics: boot cd |
| 07:10.09 | jair_11 | liable, interval update time? 300 seconds? is ok? |
| 07:10.38 | liable | yes |
| 07:10.50 | xevious | predius_: i've been reading up on make-kpkg. it seems to want module sources in /usr/src/modules. how do i deal with that if i'm using a linux kernel source from kernel.org? |
| 07:11.01 | jair_11 | ok set I will see how can I test it |
| 07:11.02 | doubleukay | Ethics, i take it you wanna shrink a partition? |
| 07:11.03 | Ethics | predius_, elaborate...boot cd of what?...can parted move data or just resize?... |
| 07:11.03 | xevious | predius_: it's all in /usr/src/linux |
| 07:11.18 | jair_11 | liable, ok set I will see how can I test it |
| 07:11.21 | liable | jair_11: you still need to edit the config file. |
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| 07:11.31 | jair_11 | liable, ok I will now |
| 07:11.34 | Ethics | double yeah shrink and shuffle it up the drive so part1 is nt....im pretty sure xp has issues with being elsewhere |
| 07:11.37 | liable | jair_11: read that link i gave you before. |
| 07:11.41 | predius_ | Ethics: you chroot to the debian parttion and reinstall grub |
| 07:11.42 | jair_11 | yes |
| 07:11.49 | jair_11 | liable, yes thank you |
| 07:12.22 | liable | np |
| 07:12.28 | Ethics | predius_, oh yeah i know the grub part its moving tha partitions im pondering more....on windows id use partition magic...parted do enough? |
| 07:12.30 | predius_ | xevious: why don't you use the debian patched kernel source? |
| 07:12.47 | predius_ | Ethics: gparted if you need a gui |
| 07:12.56 | doubleukay | Ethics, oh that i don't know. but shrinking it the usual way (leaving the partition starting sector untouched) is simple though. |
| 07:13.13 | doubleukay | why not give it a shot first? perhaps windows xp won't have problems with it as you expect :) |
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| 07:13.59 | Ethics | doubleukay.....lol windows xp not have problems as i expect hehhe...lol...rofl.... |
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| 07:14.30 | Ethics | doubleukay, i guess i shold google it to see if it cares what partition number |
| 07:14.35 | blondie | mewl |
| 07:14.36 | xevious | predius_: isn't it behind a couple versions? |
| 07:14.55 | xevious | predius_: i got 2.6.14.3, debian patched are at .12, right? |
| 07:15.23 | liable | xevious: you are doing something wrong if it is saying that. |
| 07:15.55 | bucky | xevious which new hardware do you need 2.6.14.3 for? |
| 07:16.11 | predius_ | xevious: on stable? |
| 07:16.14 | predius_ | unstable has 14 |
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| 07:16.41 | xevious | predius_: i'm using testing |
| 07:16.59 | predius_ | xevious: download the sources from unstable |
| 07:17.12 | xevious | ok. |
| 07:17.20 | predius_ | still, what do you need .14 for? |
| 07:17.29 | xevious | well i like to be up to date :) |
| 07:17.39 | xevious | this is old hardware actually though |
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| 07:18.03 | Ethics | up to date.....more broken that not up to date but not way behind... |
| 07:18.16 | xevious | so i should use .12? |
| 07:18.25 | jair_11 | liable, this looks like good though? http://pastebin.com/449278 |
| 07:18.41 | jair_11 | liable, and I did not get any problem with my d-link router. |
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| 07:19.16 | liable | jair_11: and you edited the config to use=web? |
| 07:19.26 | jair_11 | hmm nope |
| 07:19.30 | xevious | alright i'll do .12 if you guys think that's a better idea |
| 07:19.39 | jair_11 | I will do it right now |
| 07:19.43 | xevious | i'm the one who hasnt used debian in 5 years at least |
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| 07:20.13 | _joey | how do I check i/o performace of my hdd ? |
| 07:20.21 | liable | jair_11: if you have it as use=if, then it will update it to your internal ip... |
| 07:20.26 | jair_11 | liable, I change it. it is a way I can restart it? |
| 07:20.28 | jknife | _joey, hdparm |
| 07:21.08 | jair_11 | hmm it is shoing to my external Ip though that is my external IP but I already change it like you told me to use=web |
| 07:21.21 | jair_11 | liable, hmm it is shoing to my external Ip though that is my external IP but I already change it like you told me to use=web |
| 07:21.25 | xevious | predius_: aptitude has linux-source-2.6.12, is that the debian patched one? |
| 07:21.33 | jair_11 | liable, it is a way I can restart this client |
| 07:21.42 | jair_11 | to check if is working good |
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| 07:21.59 | liable | jair_11: no need iirc. try rebooting your router and see whether it works. |
| 07:22.09 | jair_11 | ok |
| 07:22.40 | jair_11 | liable, I change it from use=if to use=web ok I will reboot the router that will disconnect me so I will be back |
| 07:23.08 | liable | k |
| 07:23.55 | xevious | will the linux-source package set up /usr/src/linux _and_ /usr/src/modules that make-kpkg is looking for? |
| 07:24.11 | _joey | how do I create fat32 under linux ? |
| 07:24.15 | predius_ | xevious: yup |
| 07:24.18 | jm_ | no, linux-source contains a tar file |
| 07:24.18 | _joey | what utility do I need to use ? |
| 07:24.22 | predius_ | it will work |
| 07:24.24 | jm_ | mkfs.vfat |
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| 07:24.28 | liable | xevious: you do not need the modules dir for making a kernel.. |
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| 07:24.51 | xevious | liable: ..but don't i need modules? |
| 07:25.26 | xevious | or is the modules_image target for make-kpkg referring to something other than modules? |
| 07:25.27 | liable | xevious: thats for making extra modules not included in the kernel source.. |
| 07:25.32 | predius_ | xevious: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 07:25.40 | jknife | xevious, not if you build them in :P |
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| 07:25.52 | xevious | ok |
| 07:25.59 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:26.00 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 07:26.27 | xevious | predius_: i'm there right now. |
| 07:26.40 | xevious | predius_: it's talking about making the different targets with make-kpkg |
| 07:26.54 | xevious | so make-kpkg kernel_image will be sufficient? |
| 07:27.04 | predius_ | just follow the instructions there |
| 07:27.08 | predius_ | and it will work |
| 07:27.28 | xevious | and it seems to imply that i need extra debs for pcmcia, but aptitude says that the pcmcia-source package is deprecated and only for 2.4...? |
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| 07:29.23 | xevious | sorry to be asking such noob-ish questions |
| 07:29.35 | doubleukay | !sorry |
| 07:29.36 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 07:29.38 | xevious | i've been in gentoo la-la-land for a while |
| 07:29.53 | xevious | (hope i dont start a flamewar) |
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| 07:30.01 | blondie | haha |
| 07:30.05 | netcrusher88 | HELP |
| 07:30.15 | liable | xevious: you can still make debian kernels the old way. |
| 07:30.18 | blondie | o.O |
| 07:30.19 | Reilithion | hey, does anyone know a channel, chatroom, or forum for helping proto-hackers like myself learn to program? |
| 07:30.23 | netcrusher88 | I accidentally deleted my /usr/local tree |
| 07:30.29 | netcrusher88 | can it be recovered? |
| 07:30.45 | xevious | rm -rf? |
| 07:30.47 | blondie | it can be recovered from backups perhaps |
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| 07:30.49 | netcrusher88 | or rather, how do i tell apt to reinstall everything |
| 07:30.58 | blondie | apt doesnt put stuff in there |
| 07:31.00 | netcrusher88 | xevious:something like that... |
| 07:31.06 | jm_ | Debian packages don't go into /usr/local so apt-get won't help you with it |
| 07:31.10 | netcrusher88 | didn't realize what cp did with directories... |
| 07:31.15 | netcrusher88 | oh |
| 07:31.16 | netcrusher88 | kk thanks |
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| 07:32.03 | xevious | so uh, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 just put linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2 in my /usr/src |
| 07:32.12 | jair_11 | liable, the ip address change but then I am getting this error:http://pastebin.com/449285 |
| 07:32.15 | xevious | is that normal operation or does it usually decompress it? |
| 07:32.18 | Reilithion | maybe I'm looking for a novice programming club or something |
| 07:32.23 | jair_11 | I change the use=web? |
| 07:32.33 | jair_11 | liable, I did the web change like you told me |
| 07:32.38 | tarzeau | xevious: normal, no |
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| 07:32.58 | xevious | tarzeau: meaning, "yes that's normal, no it doesnt decompress it"? |
| 07:33.15 | tarzeau | xevious: yes |
| 07:33.19 | xevious | cool |
| 07:33.20 | xevious | thanks |
| 07:33.34 | mhall | How do I decide is the difference in some percentages taken from a survey are statistically significant. |
| 07:34.03 | xevious | i hope 2.6 doesnt break my pcmcia again. |
| 07:34.19 | liable | jair_11: you dont need to run the ddclient -query, just check to make sure your ip is updated. |
| 07:34.37 | xevious | i had mandrake on this laptop to try it out, and i had to do /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart on every boot to get my cards to detect |
| 07:34.53 | jair_11 | liable, did you read the error? it is skipping to update the ip address in the zoneedit page. |
| 07:34.58 | xevious | then i booted the debian testing live cd and it had the same issue, but no rmmod so i couldn't fix it |
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| 07:35.17 | jair_11 | liable, it update the ip address the ddclient did update the ip address good |
| 07:35.40 | jair_11 | liable, but the ip on the zoneedit will not unless i go personally and change it. |
| 07:35.54 | jair_11 | that is what I thouhg ddclient will do for me. |
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| 07:36.12 | liable | jair_11: wait five minutes, its only set to update evry 300 secs. |
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| 07:36.39 | liable | jair_11: try again, and just wait for 5 mins. |
| 07:37.20 | jair_11 | liable, I will check |
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| 07:38.16 | jair_11 | liable, nice ;) |
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| 07:38.27 | Teufel | is there a package for ruby on rails? |
| 07:38.31 | jair_11 | liable, should i reduce the time of update? |
| 07:38.44 | jair_11 | liable, not actually is ok how it is |
| 07:38.52 | jair_11 | liable, it works though nice |
| 07:39.00 | predius_ | Teufel: rails |
| 07:39.19 | Teufel | predius_ apropos rails returns nothing |
| 07:39.38 | jair_11 | liable, and the only change I did was the "use=if" to "use=web" that was all |
| 07:40.06 | predius_ | Teufel: i'm in sid |
| 07:40.23 | predius_ | testing does not haeve it |
| 07:40.28 | liable | jair_11: thats all you need to do. |
| 07:40.38 | jair_11 | perfect |
| 07:40.42 | Teufel | using sarge |
| 07:40.49 | predius_ | Teufel: backport it. |
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| 07:41.00 | jair_11 | liable, thank you so much that is a very nice way of have your dynamic IP static ;) virtually ;) |
| 07:41.08 | Teufel | don't know how to do that... might you have a link that I could read up about it predius_? |
| 07:41.21 | liable | jair_11: np. enjoy :) |
| 07:41.29 | jair_11 | liable, perfect now I do not need to be worry about the changes of the ip cool. |
| 07:41.37 | predius_ | !backport |
| 07:41.37 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 07:41.40 | jair_11 | liable, which one is your site? |
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| 07:41.55 | Teufel | thanks |
| 07:42.10 | liable | jair_11: liable.mine.nu |
| 07:42.16 | predius_ | night |
| 07:42.29 | Teufel | g'night |
| 07:43.25 | jair_11 | liable, very nice |
| 07:43.43 | jair_11 | liable, simple are you just starting build that site? |
| 07:43.58 | jair_11 | liable, I have to work a lot in mine |
| 07:44.20 | jair_11 | perfect though thnak you again I will be going to sleep ok |
| 07:44.23 | jair_11 | take care |
| 07:44.25 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 07:44.32 | jair_11 | liable, good night |
| 07:44.32 | deadcat | what are some magazines that might have articles about computer hackers? i am doing a eng paper/project on computer hackers. |
| 07:44.43 | jair_11 | good night everybody. |
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| 07:44.50 | xevious | goodnight |
| 07:44.59 | doubleukay | !everything |
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| 07:45.48 | jair_11 | we should start a web international netwokr of Linux professionals with resume etc.. to provide services and assistance to companies, contracts, projects what do you think guys?? |
| 07:45.57 | jair_11 | it is a page like that? |
| 07:46.15 | doubleukay | why stop at linux? |
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| 07:47.01 | jair_11 | where all of us the ones more experience in Linux, unix, solaris, OS x and windows "specially debian" |
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| 07:47.44 | netcrusher88 | X suddenly quit working |
| 07:47.56 | jair_11 | deadcat, check this: webopedia.com and whatis.com |
| 07:48.05 | deadcat | k |
| 07:48.14 | deadcat | but i need articles. |
| 07:48.17 | netcrusher88 | it says there's no /dev/psaux, but /dev/psaux is there |
| 07:48.59 | netcrusher88 | anyone else running testing? |
| 07:49.10 | Reilithion | i am |
| 07:49.10 | deadcat | netcrusher88: what you think? |
| 07:49.22 | netcrusher88 | about what? |
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| 07:49.57 | deadcat | funny if jay's name is jack |
| 07:50.01 | netcrusher88 | deadcat:what do I think about what? |
| 07:50.11 | deadcat | netcrusher88: people running testing. |
| 07:50.14 | jay`0ff | deadcat: nope it isn't :p |
| 07:50.21 | netcrusher88 | eh |
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| 07:50.30 | jay`0ff | but you can jack off, if you have the need to |
| 07:50.43 | mhall | !nickometer jay`0ff |
| 07:50.44 | dpkg | 'jay`0ff' is 28.000% lame, mhall |
| 07:50.49 | netcrusher88 | whatever, can anyone help me out a bit |
| 07:50.52 | deadcat | jay`0ff: dammit. you almost made me spit water out my mouth (= |
| 07:50.59 | jay`0ff | heh :> |
| 07:50.59 | xevious | thanks folks |
| 07:51.07 | Gokee2 | How should I find out what xserver driver I need for a compaq presario m2000 laptop? |
| 07:51.19 | liable | !laptop |
| 07:51.19 | mhall | jay`0ff: had a friend we used to call jackoff jon cause he never did any work |
| 07:51.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 07:51.32 | mhall | jay`0ff: then he got into calling me masturbating matt |
| 07:51.36 | xevious | i'll probably be in tomorrow with more annoying just-started-using-debian-again-after-5-years questions |
| 07:51.46 | jay`0ff | mhall: yeah, but i need to get to work :p |
| 07:51.46 | mhall | jay`0ff: but, that which you dish out, you must also take |
| 07:51.47 | Gokee2 | hey cool thanks |
| 07:51.53 | mhall | jay`0ff: ah the irony |
| 07:51.56 | xevious | byebye |
| 07:52.20 | netcrusher88 | x stopped working - I rebooted, and all of a sudden it can't open /dev/psaux |
| 07:52.21 | jay`0ff | bye guys |
| 07:52.24 | netcrusher88 | wtf? |
| 07:52.28 | jay`0ff | see you in 45 minutes from work |
| 07:52.36 | deadcat | hahah |
| 07:52.48 | jay`0ff | till in a few minutes jay`w0rk`0ff :> |
| 07:52.59 | doubleukay | !help |
| 07:53.08 | netcrusher88 | !laptop |
| 07:53.09 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 07:53.10 | netcrusher88 | !X |
| 07:53.22 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 07:53.22 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 07:53.23 | deadcat | please use /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 07:53.33 | Gokee2 | Damn the one on this laptop is in spanish! :(!! |
| 07:53.45 | deadcat | Gokee2: just guess |
| 07:53.47 | liable | babelfish |
| 07:53.49 | doubleukay | whoops okay |
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| 07:54.09 | Gokee2 | deadcat, All use google... |
| 07:54.19 | Gokee2 | it guesses better then me most times |
| 07:54.21 | Gokee2 | :) |
| 07:54.26 | deadcat | hehe |
| 07:54.50 | netcrusher88 | anyone have any idea why X would stop working |
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| 07:55.06 | stdoubt | netcrusher88: cuz you monkeyd with it |
| 07:55.18 | netcrusher88 | I didn't touch X, just upgraded |
| 07:55.23 | liable | udev has been a culprit for that in the past. |
| 07:55.25 | deadcat | sshfs is hella cool (= |
| 07:55.27 | chino2 | does debian default come with a setup iptables ? |
| 07:55.30 | jm_ | "just upgraded" - gotta love that |
| 07:55.33 | tarzeau | chino2: no |
| 07:55.48 | _joey | iptables are no good |
| 07:55.48 | chino2 | if iptables was setup where would the configuration be saved ? |
| 07:55.51 | jm_ | chino2: kernel supports it, but it doesn't configure any firewall rules |
| 07:55.57 | deadcat | chino2: its NOT |
| 07:55.58 | servus | chino2: AFAIK, it's not |
| 07:55.59 | chino2 | _joey: are you nuts ? |
| 07:55.59 | netcrusher88 | liable: ya, i seem to recall some type of problem with udev... |
| 07:56.00 | tarzeau | chino2: why would you want iptables? |
| 07:56.07 | stdoubt | netcrusher88: have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'? |
| 07:56.17 | netcrusher88 | stdoubt:yes - didn't help |
| 07:56.19 | chino2 | why wouldn't i they are great |
| 07:56.25 | tarzeau | chino2: great for what? |
| 07:56.25 | servus | I save iptables in /etc/network/iptables, and add an init.d script to iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables |
| 07:56.27 | _joey | chino2 I am THE geekiest geek among the geeks, you tweet |
| 07:56.33 | tarzeau | chino2: internet is much greater without iptables |
| 07:56.47 | tarzeau | chino2: and even better without NAT |
| 07:56.49 | netcrusher88 | current kerneldoesn't support udev, is upgrading kernel really as easy as installing package? |
| 07:56.55 | servus | chino2: Save it with iptables-save > /etc/network/iptables (or whatever), then make a script to restore from that file on bootup with iptables-restore |
| 07:57.00 | chino2 | ok all i want to know is if debian has some place where iptables is stored... because im using a default setup from my server im renting |
| 07:57.12 | stdoubt | netcrusher88: then run it with different options.....preferably the right ones ;] ...or boot knoppix and cp it's XFree86config-4 over to debian |
| 07:57.16 | servus | I think Redhat defaults to /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
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| 07:57.26 | chino2 | dont worry about it thanks |
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| 07:57.32 | _joey | chino2 wanker, foget about iptables and configure netfilter directly through /proc |
| 07:57.32 | jm_ | iptables init script support save target, but it's deprecated, read about it in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 07:57.51 | netcrusher88 | stdoubt: you must have missed this: X was working, and the current config has worked since i installed it |
| 07:58.09 | Snake-Eyes | any one here used openntpd before ? |
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| 07:59.09 | stdoubt | netcrusher88: then you upgraded..... well, it muct have changed your XFree config. |
| 07:59.18 | stdoubt | muct=must |
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| 08:00.37 | netcrusher88 | and i reconfigured it to same |
| 08:00.43 | netcrusher88 | as original |
| 08:00.49 | netcrusher88 | anyway |
| 08:00.54 | netcrusher88 | i thinkit's a thing with udev |
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| 08:01.00 | netcrusher88 | so i'm going for a kernel upgrade |
| 08:01.04 | jm_ | try telling it to use /dev/input/mice instead |
| 08:01.15 | jm_ | as long as you're using 2.6 kernel |
| 08:01.18 | tarzeau | awesome isn't it?, http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/ocp.png |
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| 08:02.00 | netcrusher88 | jm_: that sounds like it just might work, thanks |
| 08:02.41 | netcrusher88 | why don't they sign the testing packages? |
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| 08:04.22 | netcrusher88 | hmm |
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| 08:04.43 | netcrusher88 | i changed config to use /dev/input/mice, but something's still crashing because it can't use /dev/psaux |
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| 08:04.57 | jm_ | how did you change it? |
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| 08:05.11 | JohnnyST | Hi how do I set so a program starts in english in a shell? |
| 08:05.12 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai how do I set so a program starts in english in a shell! |
| 08:05.24 | JohnnyST | set loclaes=C or somting like that.. |
| 08:05.31 | jm_ | LANG=C blabla |
| 08:05.58 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 08:06.27 | jm_ | my assumption is this was needed to paste the error here, because it would be meaningless otherwise ;) |
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| 08:07.52 | stdoubt | *ponders the indelible smell of a burnt CRT |
| 08:08.02 | netcrusher88 | jm_:dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:08.10 | jm_ | netcrusher88: did you previously edit the file by hand? |
| 08:08.19 | netcrusher88 | no |
| 08:08.36 | netcrusher88 | jm_:only through dpkg |
| 08:08.36 | jm_ | then check X logfile to see which layout it's using and inspect the config file |
| 08:08.47 | netcrusher88 | ... |
| 08:09.32 | netcrusher88 | where's the config again? |
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| 08:09.45 | jm_ | man XF86Config-4 |
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| 08:10.10 | jm_ | logfile will also tell you which config it's using |
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| 08:10.56 | netcrusher88 | ok, and now it can't get /dev/input/mice |
| 08:11.09 | netcrusher88 | which is there, too |
| 08:11.17 | jm_ | are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:11.27 | netcrusher88 | theoretically, with debian, who freaking knows |
| 08:11.33 | netcrusher88 | sorry |
| 08:12.04 | netcrusher88 | i upgraded to testing, and forgot to upgrade kernel, so current udev is broken, so stuff is not working, or something |
| 08:12.11 | netcrusher88 | so |
| 08:12.27 | netcrusher88 | yes, i'm running 2.6, but an old onw |
| 08:12.28 | netcrusher88 | one |
| 08:12.35 | netcrusher88 | just downloaded new one |
| 08:12.44 | Gokee2 | no that was the wrong laptop.... There is NO gide at ALL for this laptop.... |
| 08:12.48 | netcrusher88 | so brb, i need to reboot |
| 08:12.51 | jm_ | /proc/bus/input/devices lists configured input devices |
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| 08:13.33 | netcrusher88 | hmm it know's it's a ps/2 synaptics touchpad |
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| 08:13.53 | netcrusher88 | so why cant X access /dev/psaux? permissions are set right, i checked that |
| 08:13.58 | Gokee2 | someone should voice dpkg |
| 08:13.59 | Gokee2 | :/ |
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| 08:14.29 | jm_ | netcrusher88: /msg dpkg no-such-device |
| 08:14.35 | jm_ | or nosuchdevice |
| 08:14.38 | netcrusher88 | thankyou |
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| 08:16.30 | stdoubt | in Woody, updatedb didn't run by default (as a cron job) --is it supposed to do that in Sarge? any1 know? |
| 08:17.14 | jm_ | yes it did |
| 08:17.22 | stdoubt | i did a fairly custom install of sarge but it's weird.... alot more stuff is running than i remember from woody |
| 08:17.26 | jm_ | cat /etc/cron.daily/find |
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| 08:18.07 | netcrusher88 | well |
| 08:18.25 | netcrusher88 | a kernel upgrade and reboot did the trick, it was a udev thing |
| 08:18.29 | netcrusher88 | or kernel thing... |
| 08:18.44 | stdoubt | "out of the box" as i recall - updatedb had to be run by hand -but I know for a fact Tiger wasn't running in woody - seems al0t has changed |
| 08:19.02 | jm_ | no, it added a cron job by default ... |
| 08:19.21 | stdoubt | or maybe i shouldn't have used dselect |
| 08:19.25 | netcrusher88 | thanks all |
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| 08:19.42 | netcrusher88 | jm_:special thanks, you were most helpful |
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| 08:20.20 | jm_ | no worries |
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| 08:24.24 | robert__ | best debian based distro??? |
| 08:24.35 | Reilithion | Debian, of course! ^_^ |
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| 08:24.49 | robert__ | I am downloading it as we speak!!! |
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| 08:25.27 | Reilithion | good for you! |
| 08:25.36 | Reilithion | welcome to the community |
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| 08:25.53 | robert__ | thanks |
| 08:26.04 | robert__ | right now I am running Mepis Linux |
| 08:26.29 | tarzeau | robert__: debian is the best debian distro |
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| 08:26.35 | Reilithion | I've heard good things about Mepis. Doesn't Jon Lech Johansen run Mepis? |
| 08:26.43 | tarzeau | Reilithion: it uses KDE |
| 08:27.00 | Reilithion | tarzeau, Nobody's perfect. |
| 08:27.02 | robert__ | yeah I am not a huge fan of KDE, I am more of a GNOME fan!! |
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| 08:27.13 | robert__ | Debian uses GNOME right??? |
| 08:27.20 | tarzeau | robert__: debian has them all |
| 08:27.26 | Reilithion | With Debian, you can choose what you use. |
| 08:27.27 | robert__ | cool!! |
| 08:27.29 | tarzeau | robert__: debian leaves the choice up to the user |
| 08:27.37 | robert__ | that's the best way to do it! |
| 08:27.42 | tarzeau | robert__: exactly |
| 08:28.14 | robert__ | how difficult is it to install Debian?? can't be any more difficult than Gentoo!!! |
| 08:28.19 | stdoubt | robert__: try out the Enlightenment desktop while you're at it |
| 08:28.26 | robert__ | ok, will do! |
| 08:28.37 | Reilithion | Yeah, Enlightenment is a Good Thing |
| 08:28.47 | stdoubt | hella sweet |
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| 08:29.36 | tarzeau | robert__: it's very easy to install |
| 08:29.57 | robert__ | ok, good!! what are Debian's strengths?? why choose Debian over everything else?? I know it is one of the most stable, but anything else? |
| 08:30.11 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 08:30.11 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 08:30.16 | stdoubt | it's groovy and organic :P |
| 08:30.26 | tarzeau | robert__: it has all the software, that others don't have |
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| 08:30.41 | xevious | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt work right at all on this system |
| 08:30.41 | tarzeau | robert__: it supports all the hardware that nobody sells anymore |
| 08:30.58 | tarzeau | robert__: AND it's got Hurd and GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 08:31.08 | Teufel | omfg ruby on rails is amazing... |
| 08:31.21 | robert__ | forgive me but what is ruby??? |
| 08:31.43 | Teufel | it's an object oriented programming language |
| 08:31.48 | robert__ | ok |
| 08:31.54 | Teufel | combine it with rails and it's uber powerful web creation stuff |
| 08:31.58 | Reilithion | scripting, ne? |
| 08:32.18 | Reilithion | or is Ruby one of those languages that can also be compiled? |
| 08:32.38 | Teufel | think it can be compiled, but with rails it's scripting |
| 08:32.44 | Reilithion | ic |
| 08:33.05 | Teufel | I've always just made my own php stuff, cgi is uberzors |
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| 08:34.44 | robert__ | with Debian you can still set up all of the different servers right?? |
| 08:34.57 | tarzeau | Teufel: uberzors? i've also avoided php at all cost and done cgi |
| 08:35.08 | tarzeau | robert__: like? |
| 08:35.23 | robert__ | i would like to use one of my systems as a linux terminal server |
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| 08:36.44 | thoron | Hi! Is the Debian source to installation CD build process own to public? |
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| 08:37.02 | thoron | errr... open to public |
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| 08:37.11 | robert__ | I have been told that if you want to run any server in linux, Red Hat is the way to go. |
| 08:37.14 | stdoubt | thoron: yes |
| 08:37.22 | tarzeau | robert__: debian works as well |
| 08:37.34 | LoneWlf | robert__: maybe in a production environment for reasons of support |
| 08:37.38 | tarzeau | robert__: i've been running several services/servers on debian since years |
| 08:37.38 | LoneWlf | robert__: but linux |
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| 08:37.59 | robert__ | cool! |
| 08:38.02 | Reilithion | stdoubt, does your name expand to "standard doubt"? 'cause if so, I think it's pretty clever! |
| 08:38.04 | LoneWlf | robert__: at its core is just the linux kernel... after that its all the same... only difference is applications... |
| 08:38.18 | tarzeau | LoneWlf: and administration |
| 08:38.55 | LoneWlf | tarzeau: there are some differences in administration, but they arise from applications... everything after the kernel... is an application... |
| 08:39.27 | stdoubt | Reilithion: that's what i was thinking -yes TY |
| 08:39.56 | Reilithion | coolness |
| 08:40.11 | robert__ | all of you Debian lovers in here, are you running any other flavors of Linux????? |
| 08:40.13 | Eclipser | is there a way to check tthe version of a .so file? |
| 08:40.31 | thoron | stdoubt: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/operation seems to tell about it something. |
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| 08:40.48 | Reilithion | I used to run SuSE, Slackware, and RedHat, but I ditched them for my first distro: Debian |
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| 08:40.53 | stdoubt | robert__: i could recommend the distro known as grml but it's debian-based so does that count? heh |
| 08:41.05 | LoneWlf | robert__: I've run Redhat, Slackware, Gentoo, Sorcerer, and Knoppix (debian hack), currently running only debian for my own use... |
| 08:41.09 | Guerin | robert__: why are you polling? |
| 08:41.35 | LoneWlf | He's been told to run RedHat |
| 08:41.38 | robert__ | just wondering. I have been downloading and installing for months and haven't decided on what distro i want to stick with!! |
| 08:41.45 | LoneWlf | he's wondering why he shouldn't |
| 08:41.56 | robert__ | that too LoneWlf |
| 08:41.58 | LoneWlf | robert__ : just find the one that you're most comfortable with |
| 08:42.15 | Gokee2 | Is xfree86 better supported for laptops? |
| 08:42.18 | LoneWlf | robert__ : because, in the end, that's all that matters... |
| 08:42.27 | robert__ | I know some distros are looked down upon (Lindows, Xandros, etc....) |
| 08:42.29 | Reilithion | The way I see it, if you're going to use RedHat, you may as well wait for ReactOS to go beta |
| 08:42.35 | LoneWlf | robert__ : that and that whatever you get you can keep secure... |
| 08:43.02 | LoneWlf | yep, what matters for you is comfort |
| 08:43.08 | stdoubt | thoron: that stuff is over my head but i can assure you all software in debian is open source (except some 'non-free') |
| 08:43.09 | LoneWlf | and for the rest of the world... your security |
| 08:43.16 | LoneWlf | ph34r the insecure server... |
| 08:43.19 | Teufel | I'm trying to connect to a linux mysql database on a windows machine running mysql admin, but keep getting the error that it can't connect... any ideas? |
| 08:43.20 | LoneWlf | *grins* |
| 08:43.31 | robert__ | ok cool |
| 08:43.31 | jm_ | we have other Linuxes at work, RedHat (regular and ES/AS), SuSE and SLES, TurboLinux, RedFlag, not sure about Mandrake |
| 08:43.34 | robert__ | thanks! |
| 08:43.48 | LoneWlf | Teufel : several... can you be more specific like... why it can't connect? |
| 08:43.49 | thoron | stdoubt: I know that source is there, but I am interested the process how sources transform to useable binary packages. |
| 08:44.14 | LoneWlf | Teufel : generally it will tell you that it can't connect to that IP, or that the user@host/pass is being denied |
| 08:44.20 | stdoubt | thoron: you mean compiling |
| 08:44.30 | LoneWlf | Teufel : why exactly are you unable to connect? does it say? |
| 08:44.31 | Teufel | lonewolff Error number 2003, just says that it can't connecto to mysql server on 192.168.1.125 (10061) I can hit the ping button and it gets 0ms responses |
| 08:44.35 | tarzeau | robert__: i also run livecd.gnustep.org |
| 08:44.50 | tarzeau | robert__: some guys here run SLC3 |
| 08:44.53 | stdoubt | it is interesting how a bunch of code gets mushed through a different bunch of code and comes out 'binary' ;] |
| 08:45.10 | LoneWlf | Teufel : hrms... you have access to the logs on the server? does it mayhap say in there why its denying the connection? |
| 08:45.14 | thoron | stdoubt: compiling is just one part of the process, http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up is just another interesting page. |
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| 08:45.38 | Hackel | Any recommendations for a desktop PCI wireless card that's linux compatible (no binary drivers)? |
| 08:45.49 | stdoubt | thoron: someday i'll write a perl script ;] |
| 08:45.51 | Teufel | lonewolff: this is kind of embarassing, but I still haven't figured out how to view logs lol... I'm just using putty to access the server |
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| 08:46.23 | robert__ | thanks for the suggestions tarzeau!!!! |
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| 08:46.42 | tarzeau | robert__: tried debian gnu/kfreebsd yet? |
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| 08:47.18 | thoron | Hackel: it's seems that only 11Mbps cards are free, I haven't found any 54Mbps cards that has trully free drivers available. |
| 08:47.19 | Zap-W | freelsd |
| 08:47.27 | tarzeau | Zap-W: where? |
| 08:47.31 | robert__ | I am working on Debian and no I haven't tried kfreebsd |
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| 08:47.41 | Reilithion | Zap-W, lol |
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| 08:47.57 | Zap-W | lEsbian @ |
| 08:47.57 | tarzeau | Zap-W: you know it's hard to get these days |
| 08:48.13 | LoneWlf | Teufel : I'm assuming that yr using debian? and that you have root access on the server in question? |
| 08:48.15 | Zap-W | stay away from those supplements |
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| 08:48.37 | tarzeau | Zap-W: yes mommy |
| 08:49.02 | Teufel | To access a MySQL server remotely on Debian, see http://www.livejournal.com/users/arjen_lentz/11410.html |
| 08:49.07 | Hackel | thoron: Really? I didn't realise the situation was that bad! :-/ Oh well, I can probably find an 802.11b card lying around someplace. |
| 08:49.10 | Teufel | lonewolff: hmmm I just found this link from the mysql channel. To access a MySQL server remotely on Debian, see http://www.livejournal.com/users/arjen_lentz/11410.html |
| 08:49.13 | LoneWlf | Teufel : if this is all the case, you should be able to see the logs with 'less /var/log/mysql.log' nad 'less /var/log/mysql.err' |
| 08:49.27 | LoneWlf | Teufel : go for it |
| 08:49.34 | LoneWlf | Teufel : I'ma hit the hay |
| 08:49.36 | LoneWlf | good luck |
| 08:49.39 | Teufel | thanks man |
| 08:49.41 | Teufel | g'night |
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| 08:56.09 | positron1 | why the hell my processor usage is in 90-100% all the time when downloading torrents? |
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| 08:57.23 | positron1 | i have 3,2ghz cpu |
| 08:57.36 | positron1 | and 1gb memory |
| 08:57.45 | positron1 | so what is wrong? |
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| 08:58.12 | sparr | positron1: are you using azureus? |
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| 08:58.18 | positron1 | yes |
| 08:58.23 | Guerin | positron1: which torrent client, and how much data is getting transferred? |
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| 08:58.30 | Guerin | i blame azureus |
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| 08:58.35 | deadcat_ | if your not using smp, it doesnt matter how many CPUs you haev (= |
| 08:58.36 | Guerin | use rtorrent |
| 08:58.37 | sparr | positron1: java bad |
| 08:58.52 | deadcat_ | Guerin: rtorrent better than bittornado? |
| 08:58.54 | positron1 | sparr: wel lit still should work |
| 08:58.56 | sparr | deadcat_: thats 3+2/10ths GHz |
| 08:59.02 | positron1 | well it |
| 08:59.05 | Guerin | deadcat_: for general usage, yes. |
| 08:59.13 | positron1 | about 200-400kb/s |
| 08:59.14 | deadcat_ | k |
| 08:59.20 | Guerin | a lot of that apparent cpu usage will actually be disk i/o wait, and won't be slowing other machines down |
| 08:59.22 | stdoubt | positron: what program is telling you that percentage? reason i ask is gkrellm will report fake highs - use top |
| 08:59.26 | sparr | positron1: interpreted java very bad. if you want it to run a lot faster, compile it. |
| 08:59.50 | sparr | even when azureus is only using 10% of my cpu i cant play games |
| 08:59.52 | sparr | or watch videos |
| 08:59.54 | positron1 | sparr: its still interpreted via jvm |
| 09:00.07 | positron1 | this is stuck all thhe itme |
| 09:00.10 | sparr | positron1: i meant really compile it |
| 09:00.16 | positron1 | cant even type as you can see |
| 09:00.18 | deadcat_ | Guerin: does it have btlaunchmanycurses feature? or equiv? |
| 09:00.39 | positron1 | sparr: java is always ran as bytecode |
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| 09:01.18 | positron1 | and this system behaves oddly anyway. when listening to music and extracting tarballs eg. the comp is very laggy |
| 09:01.24 | Guerin | deadcat_: it's a different program, it has different features. It doesn't have the ability to automatically pick up torrents as you drop them in a dir, but it does have other nifty features like not being utter crap, having good real-time throttling, prioritising files within a torrent, etc. |
| 09:01.35 | sparr | positron1: that would be a "no" |
| 09:01.37 | sparr | http://gcc.gnu.org/java/ |
| 09:01.38 | Guerin | positron1: just kill azureus and try another client |
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| 09:01.53 | Guerin | deadcat_: by 'not being utter crap' i mean 'not being python or java' |
| 09:01.53 | deadcat_ | cool |
| 09:02.00 | deadcat_ | (= |
| 09:02.36 | positron1 | Guerin: ok i didnt know that. |
| 09:02.41 | positron1 | now i know |
| 09:02.50 | deadcat_ | Guerin: i really like the launchmany feature. |
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| 09:03.08 | positron1 | i killed azureus and now everything is normal |
| 09:03.11 | Guerin | positron1: as I said, I recommend rtorrent, but if you want something gui-tastic, I recommend ABC |
| 09:03.16 | pureone | use btdownloadcurses :D |
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| 09:03.26 | dawg | deadcat_, it's CLI and interactive beyond just starting and stopping the client, so i'd say it's far better than launchmanycurses (cept autodownload from a directory feature) |
| 09:03.34 | positron1 | but still when i listen to music and uncompress tarballs the system is very laggy |
| 09:03.35 | Guerin | positron1: great if you only ever want one torrent at a time. |
| 09:03.39 | positron1 | and this is laggy all the time |
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| 09:03.53 | Guerin | pureone: actually, not great, because it's still bloated as hell, and really featureless |
| 09:03.56 | positron1 | Guerin: i got tens of torrents at the same time :) |
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| 09:04.00 | Guerin | pureone: not to mention unstable |
| 09:04.25 | pureone | btdownloadcurses is bloated? |
| 09:04.30 | positron1 | and wth azureus works in windows normally?? |
| 09:04.35 | deadcat | dawg: ya. i know what you mean. but i only use it to download tv shows and settings max-upload=3 is all i do (= |
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| 09:04.46 | Guerin | pureone: compare its cpu and ram usage with a client written in something that's not a scripting language |
| 09:04.56 | Guerin | pureone: no, because you clearly don't use it under load |
| 09:05.08 | pureone | i thought btdownloadcurses was written in c |
| 09:05.18 | deadcat | no |
| 09:05.19 | Guerin | it's like saying 'my ford fiesta is plenty powerful' when all you do is go to the shop in it |
| 09:05.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: is there a good bt client for linux that you'd recommend? something that does NAT traversal for data connections? |
| 09:05.26 | positron1 | and wth azureus works in windows normally?? |
| 09:05.29 | jcm | hi all; where could I find a good list of wireless pci cards being handled by unstable packages ? http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html is not useful for this |
| 09:05.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: rtorrent; no idea about the nat traversal. I'd do that in iptables. |
| 09:06.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: iptables has nothing to do with NAT traversal, unless it's the NAT |
| 09:06.09 | tarzeau | does someone use ms office with wine? or crossover 5 on sarge? does wine work well? |
| 09:06.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: which, in my case, it would be. |
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| 09:06.22 | Guerin | !pal tarzeau |
| 09:06.30 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah it's not in my case. only option is NAT traversal. |
| 09:06.40 | positron1 | FUCK' |
| 09:06.41 | tarzeau | Guerin: look dude it's not for me. it's just the other people that send crap documents to users here (not me) |
| 09:06.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: azureus does NAT traversal for DHT but not the data connections... |
| 09:06.43 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: bummer. |
| 09:07.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i rather doubt it does. |
| 09:07.15 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: doubt it does what |
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| 09:07.40 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: NAT traversal for DHT was added in 2.3.0.6 |
| 09:07.53 | jm_ | rtorrent has a ticket for uPNP support, it also doesn't support DHT (there's a ticket for that too) |
| 09:07.54 | positron1 | i see theres 100% cpu issues in windows too |
| 09:08.05 | positron1 | so simply put: azureus sucks |
| 09:08.08 | positron1 | not java |
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| 09:08.45 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i doubt rtorrent does it. it's unix-only, and obeys unix-like best-use cases, so I'd guess the author would just say 'use iptables or something sane for NAT, it's not a client app's job' |
| 09:09.05 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ah. but, see it is the client's job. =) |
| 09:09.12 | positron1 | client app should do everything for the user |
| 09:09.15 | positron1 | thats usability |
| 09:09.19 | Guerin | positron1: no, azureus sucks partly BECAUSE it's java |
| 09:09.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: granted some kind of intermediate proxy that implements it would be better |
| 09:09.22 | Guerin | positron1: bullshit |
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| 09:09.37 | positron1 | Guerin: not |
| 09:10.06 | sparr | when i started using azureus there was nothing even remotely close to it in terms of features |
| 09:10.08 | Guerin | positron1: the right tool for the right job |
| 09:10.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: problem is that hole punching is application-specific. there's no "hole punching" protocol. it's a process. |
| 09:10.41 | sparr | has that changed? |
| 09:10.56 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and there needs to be an app on both sides of the connection to do it. so the most logical place to put it is in the client app. skype does UDP hole punching, and it's very effective. |
| 09:11.13 | Guerin | sparr: it still has more 'features' than 99% of its users know what to do with, yeah |
| 09:11.22 | Guerin | sparr: and all the attendant bloat and instability |
| 09:11.24 | jm_ | then again, what's the point in a firewall that lets you open random connections? |
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| 09:11.53 | Guerin | as well as some 'features' which are really shit, like the fact that it uses a zero-sequential superseeding algorithm |
| 09:11.57 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: instability? azureus has not crashed on me once. |
| 09:12.16 | sparr | i need a client with good automatic seeding selection, the ability to prioritize and ignore individual files inside the totrrent. it has to try to play nice with my browser (less than 3 clicks from torrent link to active download). |
| 09:12.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i bet you don't run 60G of torrents at ~2megaBYTES per second outbound on it, either. |
| 09:12.30 | sparr | per-torrent speed limits, both ways |
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| 09:12.46 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it's not about opening connections, it's opening unsolicited connections. NAT traversal requires two people behind both NATs to initiate. so it's a solicited connection. |
| 09:12.49 | pureone | bittornado sould be able to do some of that spar |
| 09:12.53 | Guerin | sparr: rtorrent doesn't have that |
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| 09:13.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if i had that kind of bandwidth i might. |
| 09:13.04 | Guerin | pureone: nowhere near |
| 09:13.07 | sparr | there are a LOT more features in azureus that i dont use |
| 09:13.12 | sparr | but those few there are important |
| 09:13.34 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: they can't both initiate it, one has to listen, the other has to connect |
| 09:13.40 | sparr | ive got a crapload of torrents in my seeding list |
| 09:13.43 | Guerin | what I really, really want is remote scriptability |
| 09:13.47 | sparr | i only seed 3-4 of them at a time |
| 09:13.55 | SerajewelKS | jm_: do you know how NAT traversal works? |
| 09:13.59 | pureone | Guerin you can select what files you want to download first with bittornado |
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| 09:14.06 | sparr | being able to have the client pick between them with some sort of smarts is important |
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| 09:14.28 | Guerin | i want to be able to do torrentclient --remote 'add http://foo.org/badgers.torrent'; and so on |
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| 09:15.15 | torc | hmm. seems like tons of pkgs are broken in sid? or am I missing something? |
| 09:15.20 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: not that i particularly like azureus.. it's just that some of its features are indispensable and don't exist in other linux clients that i've found. |
| 09:15.38 | crashbg | can someone help me a little bit with the virtual interfaces |
| 09:15.39 | Guerin | torc: that's sid |
| 09:15.46 | sparr | Guerin: err, azuerus does that without the --remote... but youd have to wget the torrent first :) |
| 09:15.48 | crashbg | i have eth2 and eth2:1 both with real static ip addresses and i use: $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $IF2 -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT |
| 09:15.54 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: they're only indispensable because you've become used to them |
| 09:15.57 | sparr | SerajewelKS: ditto |
| 09:15.59 | crashbg | and it works fine on the first ip address, but i know iptables can't handle with virtual interfaces, how can i do this for the second ip? |
| 09:16.07 | torc | Guerin: what could be the purpose of those libcrypto++5.2c2 -> libcrypto++5.2c2a migrations? |
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| 09:16.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: NAT traversal for DHT? that's pretty important if you ask me. |
| 09:16.29 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: bollocks |
| 09:16.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the feature I love most about rtorrent is the fact that I can run 60G of torrents at a couple megs per sec outbound for months at a time without crashiness |
| 09:16.50 | Guerin | and without significant load |
| 09:16.59 | torc | Guerin: and rtorrent is broken also *weep* :) |
| 09:17.07 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well see i don't seed a lot, so i don't care. that's why different clients exist, so you can pick one you like (or can tolerate). |
| 09:17.16 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I don't know all the details, but I thought that's only used for things like VPN, I don't see why you would use this for torrents |
| 09:17.26 | yulia | hi........... |
| 09:17.43 | Guerin | torc: what version? |
| 09:17.48 | SerajewelKS | jm_: no, NAT traversal allows two firewalled clients to talk directly to each other |
| 09:17.52 | crashbg | so can anyone help me with the virtual interfaces? |
| 09:17.53 | crashbg | please |
| 09:17.59 | SerajewelKS | jm_: with one rendezvous node that gets them started |
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| 09:18.13 | torc | Guerin: 0.3.6-1 ? |
| 09:18.19 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you don't seed a lot, you just leech. What a model citizen. |
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| 09:18.23 | Guerin | torc: worked for me last night. |
| 09:18.30 | torc | Guerin: Me is on PPC ;( |
| 09:18.31 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i seed until the ratio is >= 1 |
| 09:18.36 | crashbg | $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $IF2 -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT - the same but for $IF2 with another ip address |
| 09:18.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and that usually doesn't take long |
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| 09:20.06 | stdoubt | dangit -i'm running stable and apt-listbugs says loop-aes-utils has a critical bug but is fixed in sid...... can i just update to sid for just that one fixed package? -then update back to stable? |
| 09:20.28 | sparr | Guerin: ive had azureus serving extremely much more than youre using rtorrent for with no crashes. very heavy system load, but no crashes. |
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| 09:21.08 | Guerin | sparr: really? 100G per day for months? |
| 09:21.11 | sparr | i had the honor of working for a web hosting company who didnt care what we did with their extra bandwidth :) |
| 09:21.21 | sparr | 100G would be a very bad day |
| 09:21.41 | torc | Guerin: if we assume that libcrypto++5.2c2 should be like libcrypto++5.2c2a in most of its functionality - that means I could try to force the pkg install and it might work fine, right? |
| 09:21.53 | Guerin | sparr: i bet it wasn't on a celeron500 with 64MB ram, though ;) |
| 09:21.58 | sparr | definitely not |
| 09:22.03 | sparr | a sempron 2800 with 1GB of ram |
| 09:22.08 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I read the RFC-s, still, useless for 99% of people |
| 09:22.49 | sparr | i use almost every option in azureus to pick torrents to seed |
| 09:22.58 | sparr | ive got... 17 torrents in my seed queue right now |
| 09:23.04 | sparr | on home cable, so i dont have much upstream |
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| 09:23.16 | sparr | the options help it pick which torrents to seed |
| 09:23.25 | sparr | first priority, anything with 0 seeds |
| 09:23.43 | sparr | after that it uses some formulae based on seeds, distributed copies, peers, and my current ratio |
| 09:24.14 | sparr | most people tend to use torrents with lots of seeds and LOTS of peers |
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| 09:24.43 | sparr | but there is just as large of a pool of torrents out there with 0-2 seeds and 0-5 peers. game patches, etc |
| 09:25.01 | sparr | it does far more good to seed a 1seed:4peer torrent than to seed a 100seed:400peer torrent |
| 09:26.54 | jm_ | that's one problem with rtorrent - you don't see how many seeds there are after you become a seeder |
| 09:27.20 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 09:29.00 | Guerin | torc: it will have identical functionality, but a different c++ abi symbol version, so it almost certainly won't work |
| 09:29.29 | torc | Guerin: thats why I cannot see any point in breaking things like that :) |
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| 09:29.51 | torc | Guerin: seems like it all depends on the pkg maintainer, right? and ppc and i386 should have the same one or not? |
| 09:30.11 | Guerin | torc: it's to do with g++ changing |
| 09:30.20 | Guerin | torc: upgrades are a fact of life in sid, deal. |
| 09:31.14 | torc | Guerin: sure. seems like ppc-specific stuff. no worries. |
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| 09:41.26 | muerd | hy anybody with directFB |
| 09:41.55 | muerd | i looking for a good manual to patch kernel with linux-fusion |
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| 09:42.48 | jm_ | linux-fusion seems to come with a README file |
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| 09:43.41 | muerd | ya |
| 09:43.47 | vree | who knows which firewire is default supported in debian? |
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| 09:44.00 | Glanzmann | Hello; |
| 09:44.11 | Glanzmann | I would like to install kqemu on my debian testing box. |
| 09:44.18 | muerd | but if you look fopr a manual to patch you ll see many ways |
| 09:44.22 | Glanzmann | Is there an easy way maybe using m-a to install it? |
| 09:44.24 | vree | i'm using testing |
| 09:45.47 | vree | no-one? |
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| 09:47.24 | Guerin | vree: linux-1394.org |
| 09:47.27 | Guerin | vree: or similar |
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| 09:47.55 | vree | hmm... that means patching |
| 09:48.04 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 09:48.18 | vree | ... i'll have a look |
| 09:48.26 | muerd | im think new modules for kernel |
| 09:48.26 | saloxin | vree: hardware is kernel dependent. check the Documentation tree in your kernel-sources |
| 09:48.26 | Guerin | you should be able to figure out which module a given device uses, and grep a debian kernel config for that module |
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| 09:48.40 | vree | I have a debian serv er here |
| 09:49.00 | Guerin | !spb2 |
| 09:49.06 | Guerin | !sbp2 |
| 09:49.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sbp2 is the firewire equivalent of USB's mass-storage.o. it doesn't take hotplugging very well, so you may have to rmmod and modprobe it to get your newly-plugged-in device to show up |
| 09:49.10 | vree | I hoped for a debian module package |
| 09:49.20 | Guerin | vree: ^ |
| 09:49.26 | muerd | are there many ways to patch |
| 09:49.29 | vree | thanx Guerin :) |
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| 09:58.07 | electroweak | hi guys |
| 10:01.29 | electroweak | hey guys anybody monitoring main i need help pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:01.44 | pureone | !ep |
| 10:01.44 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:01.54 | electroweak | sorry |
| 10:01.59 | positron1 | why my system is so laggy? always when i do something, the cpu usage is enormous. especially when doing I/O things? |
| 10:02.16 | tarzeau | positron1: dma off? framebuffer? |
| 10:02.23 | tarzeau | positron1: hanging processes? check with ps auxwww |
| 10:02.48 | positron1 | where do i change dma and framebuffer? |
| 10:02.59 | tarzeau | hdparm can turn on dma, but this can be dangerous |
| 10:03.19 | tarzeau | for framebuffer, check with www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgamode.c |
| 10:03.50 | positron1 | how do i read that ps auxwww? |
| 10:03.50 | electroweak | is there anybody can tell me where can i find driver for ati radeon xpress 200m |
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| 10:04.46 | tarzeau | positron1: man ps |
| 10:04.54 | tarzeau | electroweak: at www.ati.com ? |
| 10:05.00 | stdoubt | positron1: hdparm -b /dev/hda ..is safe |
| 10:06.10 | stdoubt | positron1: should read hdparm -d /dev/hda sorry |
| 10:06.23 | positron1 | tarzeau: Failed to get permission to VGA registers. |
| 10:06.28 | positron1 | that vgamode.c |
| 10:06.35 | tarzeau | positron1: must be root |
| 10:06.36 | positron1 | stdoubt: thx ill check it out |
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| 10:06.41 | positron1 | ok |
| 10:07.09 | positron1 | graphics mode is 0 |
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| 10:07.39 | tarzeau | positron1: so you're in textmode |
| 10:07.44 | tarzeau | positron1: run top, press P |
| 10:07.57 | tarzeau | positron1: what's the top 3 processes called? |
| 10:08.56 | positron1 | tarzeau: xfree86, gnome-terminal, gnome-system-mo |
| 10:09.04 | positron1 | also xmms jumps there |
| 10:09.29 | tarzeau | positron1: kill them all and restart them |
| 10:09.36 | tarzeau | positron1: if you can replace gnome-terminal with xterm |
| 10:09.49 | tarzeau | positron1: replace xmms too, say with opencubicplayer |
| 10:10.02 | tarzeau | positron1: use xosview instead of bloat-system-mo |
| 10:10.37 | positron1 | this happens all the time |
| 10:10.45 | positron1 | i try that hdparm first |
| 10:10.46 | tarzeau | positron1: yes the gnome software is buggy, check BTS |
| 10:10.57 | tarzeau | positron1: i don't think it's related to DMA, it must be GNOME |
| 10:11.04 | tarzeau | positron1: what cpu/memory do you have? |
| 10:11.13 | tarzeau | no matter what you have, GNOME *is* slow |
| 10:11.56 | positron1 | 3,2ghz/1gb ddr2 |
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| 10:12.44 | sparr | if i want a massive windows-like gui ill use KDE |
| 10:12.58 | sparr | i use KDE on my desktop gaming box |
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| 10:13.58 | positron1 | when i type hdparm -d /dev/hda it just says that its off |
| 10:14.29 | tarzeau | positron1: interesting |
| 10:14.33 | tarzeau | positron1: what says uname -a ? |
| 10:15.01 | positron1 | Linux home 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:15.19 | tarzeau | positron1: wait, you got not sata, do you? |
| 10:15.32 | positron1 | i have two hard drives which are sata |
| 10:15.37 | positron1 | and one pata |
| 10:16.12 | positron1 | hda is sata |
| 10:16.18 | positron1 | hdb also sata and hdc is pata |
| 10:19.30 | positron1 | tarzeau: i also dont have 3d support enabled in my ati radeon x700 |
| 10:19.49 | tarzeau | positron1: yes, i guess you want to build your own kernel, 2.4.32 or 2.6.latest |
| 10:19.52 | positron1 | tarzeau: i installed the fgrlx whatever drivers but didnt do the kernel module |
| 10:19.59 | tarzeau | positron1: and also the 3d binary crap for the radeon |
| 10:20.10 | tarzeau | positron1: it won't run faster without the kernel module |
| 10:20.36 | positron1 | and yes. i did. but it didnt boot properly, said kernel panic. and it says that even if i tried with the preconfigured kernel image from synaptic |
| 10:21.12 | positron1 | cant open /dev/console |
| 10:21.16 | positron1 | attempted to kill init |
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| 10:22.53 | john_c | i have a strange problem, the internet connection on a box, works for 30 seconds, then it stops for 10 seconds, an starts to work again.. so on... any ideea what these could be ? should i contact my ISP ? |
| 10:23.24 | tarzeau | john_c: cable is connected well, does the hardware link go away too? |
| 10:23.43 | tarzeau | john_c: dns is perfect? ip is perfect? nic too? check with netstat -ni or -ns and ifconfig rightinterface |
| 10:23.44 | john_c | tarzeau: no, the hardware link is on |
| 10:24.03 | john_c | tarzeau: there are.. it's a working conf for the last 1 year.. |
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| 10:24.55 | tarzeau | john_c: can you tell me when you have the 10 seconds no reaction? |
| 10:25.31 | saloxin | john_c: mtr ping.xs4all.nl <- will show you which node is failing |
| 10:25.34 | john_c | apt-get update |
| 10:25.46 | tarzeau | john_c: 61 packets transmitted, 61 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 10:25.47 | tarzeau | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 61.931/236.021/1244.001/288.812 ms |
| 10:25.48 | electroweak | tarzeau there were installer and xfree 86 4.3 i downloaded both but how im gonna run the installer |
| 10:26.15 | john_c | tarzeau: what's with the ping ? |
| 10:26.40 | tarzeau | john_c: it doesn't fail |
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| 10:27.05 | john_c | tarzeau: what dosen't failed ? |
| 10:27.27 | john_c | saloxin: don't have the mtr program there... and apt-get isn't working becauseof the stops.. |
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| 10:29.17 | dfd | hello |
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| 10:29.48 | cmo | i have a small office with shared ADSL connection to the internet, the Officer should get 10KB/s download rate and others limited to 2KB/s |
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| 10:29.55 | cmo | how can i achive that? |
| 10:30.06 | jm_ | read Advanced Routing howto |
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| 10:30.16 | docelic | How do I solve the problem with 32bit codecs if I have amd64, running the true 64bit port and 64bit kernel ? |
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| 10:30.30 | jm_ | docelic: install 32bit chroot? |
| 10:30.31 | tarzeau | docelic: install 32bit os :) |
| 10:30.38 | docelic | tarzeau yo :)_ |
| 10:30.45 | docelic | jm_ uff :) |
| 10:31.03 | electroweak | i just downloaded the ati driver installer how can run that |
| 10:31.06 | docelic | Yeah I'll probably have to do that. Thanks |
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| 10:31.37 | dfd | mmh.. wx-config isn't provided from any debian package? |
| 10:31.41 | john_c | any more ideeas on why the connection freezes ? |
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| 10:32.24 | deadcat | how do i disable a hyperlink in OO.org? |
| 10:32.51 | SlayerXP | deadcat: ctrl-a then delete |
| 10:33.00 | tarzeau | john_c: did you check ifconfig output? |
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| 10:33.17 | john_c | tarzeau: yes, it seems ok, both running |
| 10:33.21 | bibe | deadcat : you mean, after writing www.my.domain<SPACE> ? |
| 10:33.51 | cmo | jm_: you mean using 'tc' traffic control program? |
| 10:34.07 | john_c | tarzeau: --- www.yahoo.akadns.net ping statistics --- |
| 10:34.07 | john_c | 54 packets transmitted, 30 received, 44% packet loss, time 53313ms |
| 10:34.07 | john_c | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 11835.736/21190.359/29984.522/4977.434 ms, pipe 30 |
| 10:34.21 | deadcat | SlayerXP: you joking right? |
| 10:34.27 | SlayerXP | deadcat: right. |
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| 10:34.48 | vorsprung | SlayerXP! |
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| 10:34.53 | SlayerXP | hey jamie |
| 10:34.55 | deadcat | bibe: its <http://blahblhab.com/asdfa/asdf/> <- underlined. i want to disable the underline |
| 10:35.01 | jm_ | cmo: there are several options, tc being one of them |
| 10:35.08 | deadcat | bibe: just plain text |
| 10:35.11 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, how are you? |
| 10:35.11 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, how is norway? |
| 10:35.21 | cmo | what are the others? |
| 10:35.26 | Guerin | deadcat: so select it and click the underline button |
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| 10:35.27 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: i'm fine and norway has been chilly recently. |
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| 10:35.47 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, norway? cold? there's a surprise |
| 10:35.58 | deadcat | Guerin: its still blue. |
| 10:36.13 | Guerin | deadcat: so change the colour to black, *duh* |
| 10:36.27 | Guerin | deadcat: or you could find a 'hyperlink' menu item |
| 10:36.28 | bibe | deadcat : I use to write the link, press <SPACE> (it turns "blue"), then <CTRL>+<A> |
| 10:36.44 | bibe | deadcat : sorry, CTRL+Z |
| 10:36.57 | deadcat | o |
| 10:37.05 | Guerin | just don't use oowriter to make documents |
| 10:37.08 | Guerin | simple |
| 10:37.10 | cmo | jm_: what are the others? name them! |
| 10:37.17 | jm_ | cmo: read the howto |
| 10:37.36 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: well, it's been quite warm the last day or so, -1 instead of -12 :) |
| 10:37.37 | cmo | the same one : traffic control howto? |
| 10:37.43 | jm_ | advanced routing howto |
| 10:37.59 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, -12! ouch! :) |
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| 10:38.23 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: that's nothing, I've seen -27 here before :) |
| 10:38.37 | cmo | okay. i'll do and come back for clarification! |
| 10:39.06 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, I think OPN have messed up privmsg, I wanted to ask you your current email address. Mine is jamie@linuxufo.com, drop me a line |
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| 10:40.57 | syn | hello |
| 10:41.18 | stdoubt | heyhey |
| 10:41.21 | syn | i've downloaded the last version of anonftpsync |
| 10:41.41 | syn | and i'm surprised that /pool/ is --exclude :-/ |
| 10:42.15 | electroweak | "ati-driver-installer-8.19.10-x86_64.run" can i ask how can i run this |
| 10:42.16 | syn | is anyone responsible of a debian mirror here (even unofficial of course) ? |
| 10:42.36 | syn | electroweak: ./ati-driver-installer-8.19.10-x86_64.run (check execution right if needed) |
| 10:42.44 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: sent. |
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| 10:45.29 | tijn | hi |
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| 10:45.44 | tijn | how to fix a apt dependancy problem? |
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| 10:45.58 | tijn | i tried almost everything i could find but, no luck |
| 10:46.01 | syn | tijn: --fix-missing ? |
| 10:46.03 | tijn | nope |
| 10:46.09 | syn | what's the error ? |
| 10:46.12 | tijn | i had OO 1.5 |
| 10:46.13 | tijn | Unpacking replacement openoffice.org ... |
| 10:46.13 | tijn | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org_2.0.0-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 10:46.14 | tijn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.14 | tijn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.14 | tijn | Errors where encountered while processing: |
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| 10:46.22 | syn | oops |
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| 10:46.26 | syn | lol |
| 10:46.34 | tijn | autsjt sorry, didnt know it was that long :D |
| 10:46.49 | syn | well, seems like you installed conflicting packages |
| 10:46.53 | tijn | yes |
| 10:46.56 | syn | remove those you don't want any more |
| 10:47.00 | tijn | OO 1.5 and OO 2.0 |
| 10:47.00 | syn | and install the newer ones |
| 10:47.05 | tijn | yes well |
| 10:47.09 | tijn | i cant remove them |
| 10:47.14 | syn | why ? :) |
| 10:47.22 | tijn | same error |
| 10:47.23 | tijn | :/ |
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| 10:48.04 | tijn | wait, ill try to login at the problem pc (@work atm |
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| 10:49.25 | tijn | mmh seems like i mapped my ssh to a wrong ip |
| 10:49.29 | ma3x | how can i resize my partition? |
| 10:49.47 | syn | ma3x: if it's ext2/3, e2resizefs, but it may not be 100% reliable |
| 10:50.06 | ma3x | syn, what might be not reliable? |
| 10:50.09 | ma3x | you mean not successful? |
| 10:50.13 | syn | yes |
| 10:50.23 | ma3x | what if it fails, I get partition fucked up or what? |
| 10:50.27 | syn | yes |
| 10:50.38 | Ayman- | ma3x, use parted and tune2fs |
| 10:50.39 | syn | you must fsck the partition |
| 10:50.42 | syn | use -f to force check |
| 10:50.53 | syn | and you should have 40% at least of free blocks |
| 10:50.55 | Ayman- | all you need is a knoppix cd |
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| 10:51.18 | syn | it may work with 10%, but it depends a lot on the fs content |
| 10:51.43 | syn | anyone responsible of a debian mirror here (even unofficial) ? |
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| 10:56.44 | Wette | is there a programm ala splashy but not splashy itself ? |
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| 11:01.03 | Guerin | syn: email debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
| 11:01.20 | syn | i think i will, yes |
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| 11:04.27 | xk | hmmm |
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| 11:04.38 | saloxin | syn: or dry #debian-devel |
| 11:04.46 | syn | ha :) |
| 11:04.49 | saloxin | s|dry|try |
| 11:04.49 | syn | thanks :) |
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| 11:05.31 | Guerin | saloxin: #debian-devel isn't where you want to redirect random people |
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| 11:07.50 | saloxin | hm ok. |
| 11:07.51 | gentoothreefour | hey guys whats the commandline for screencapture |
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| 11:08.12 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: scrot |
| 11:08.17 | jm_ | /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 11:08.17 | Ayman- | xwd |
| 11:08.36 | syn | i got my answers |
| 11:08.40 | syn | thank you :) |
| 11:08.41 | syn | hand |
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| 11:08.55 | botsy | i have a problem with ssh when i want to connect with -X option, when i launch for example xclock it's say :error: can't open display: localhost:10:0.. |
| 11:09.18 | botsy | please help me |
| 11:09.25 | jm_ | localhost:10:0 is not a valid syntax |
| 11:09.56 | dushtabuddhi | botsy is the X11Forwarding in sshd config set to yes ? |
| 11:10.06 | botsy | yes |
| 11:10.23 | JohnFlux | jm_: localhost:10.0 |
| 11:10.29 | JohnFlux | botsy: ^^ |
| 11:11.02 | botsy | but i have active X11Forwarding in sshd ... |
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| 11:18.09 | NetGrunt | hii |
| 11:18.17 | Phildo | hihi |
| 11:18.23 | stdoubt | heyhey |
| 11:18.23 | NetGrunt | when doing an dpkg -l ... I see a lot of packages with status "rc" |
| 11:18.26 | NetGrunt | what does that mean ? |
| 11:18.28 | dfd | quake grunt? |
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| 11:19.14 | azeem | NetGrunt: those have been removed or never installed |
| 11:19.26 | azeem | NetGrunt: if you just want to list the installed packages, pipe the output to grep ^ii |
| 11:19.43 | NetGrunt | azeem, what I want to do is have a clear list, so I do grep -v ^ii |
| 11:19.45 | solka | NetGrunt: those are removed, but not purged |
| 11:19.53 | NetGrunt | and here they are all those "rc" |
| 11:20.05 | azeem | NetGrunt: -v matches the inverse |
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| 11:20.18 | azeem | so instead of the installed ones, you get the removed/not installed ones |
| 11:20.26 | torc | hmm. seems like KDE on sid is ignoring exclusion settings for font antialiasing. |
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| 11:21.01 | madnux | hi |
| 11:22.04 | NetGrunt | solka, so I can easly remove with purgation them ? |
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| 11:23.38 | antgel | why are smp kernels in different packages? could smp not be turned on in standard kernel builds? would a uniprocessor machine not just ignore the smp config setting? |
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| 11:24.00 | tarzeau | antgel: because. yes. yes. |
| 11:24.06 | jm_ | enabling SMP requires enabling other options, which could poentially cause troubles for others |
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| 11:24.12 | azeem | antgel: I saw that Ubuntu does it as you suggest for a couple of days now |
| 11:24.25 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 11:24.31 | tarzeau | antgel: why does debian not have highmem kernels, like 64gb? |
| 11:24.38 | JohnFlux | fpitt_: hellotoyoufpitt_ |
| 11:26.20 | sparr | what can view a .lit ebook? |
| 11:26.29 | tarzeau | sparr: what says file the.lit ? |
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| 11:27.17 | pabs3 | sparr: convertlit.com |
| 11:27.31 | sparr | tarzeau: binary, magic bytes are ITOLITLS |
| 11:27.34 | Guerin | hahaha |
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| 11:27.49 | Guerin | you can get a program called clit to convert them |
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| 11:27.53 | tarzeau | sparr: cool, can i have your.lit ? |
| 11:28.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: why do i think you are kidding |
| 11:28.09 | Guerin | but I think you need an install of MS fucking evil stupidness reader for it to work |
| 11:28.16 | Guerin | tarzeau: i am deadly serious |
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| 11:28.23 | Guerin | !google convert lit |
| 11:28.28 | tarzeau | Guerin: clit is not packaged |
| 11:28.31 | dpkg | Google says convert lit is at http://www.convertlit.com/ or http://www.convertlit.com/index.php or http://www.convertlit.com/download.php or http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/convlit.php or http://tecnodude.tripod.com/ |
| 11:28.39 | Guerin | tarzeau: no, it's not in debian. |
| 11:28.40 | sparr | Guerin: thanks |
| 11:28.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: but i'll be happy to run apt-get install finger clit |
| 11:28.44 | antgel | tarzeau: i have no idea. i have never used a machine with >512MB |
| 11:29.56 | tarzeau | ugh. anyone using EDITOR=the ? |
| 11:30.04 | antgel | azeem: you mean they've been doing it for a couple of days or you noticed a couple of days ago? |
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| 11:30.24 | aidehua | I need some help. |
| 11:30.26 | azeem | antgel: I saw them talking about it a couple of days ago, implying it was a recent change |
| 11:30.31 | Guerin | pabs3: woah, i just saw you were about an hour ahead of me |
| 11:30.38 | Guerin | aidehua: M-x doctor |
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| 11:30.43 | aidehua | I cooked a roast chicken dinner for my housemate and his girlfriend last night. |
| 11:30.47 | sparr | can anyone recommend a good viewer for plain text files? not an editor, just a viewer, preferably with more options for reading than most editors |
| 11:30.52 | tarzeau | sparr: mcview |
| 11:30.59 | jm_ | less |
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| 11:31.01 | madnux | hi |
| 11:31.09 | sparr | jm_: im not quite that masochistic |
| 11:31.13 | aidehua | It was late, and while I was cooking, the housemate's girlfriend made herself some sandwiches. She ate so much that she hardly touched her roast chicken. |
| 11:31.23 | tarzeau | sparr: it's much better than more |
| 11:31.29 | aidehua | Do I: i) complain to housemate, ii) complain directly, iii) shut up, iv) KILL HER |
| 11:31.30 | Guerin | aidehua: i'm waiting for the #debian connection |
| 11:31.36 | tarzeau | or "pg" yuck |
| 11:31.36 | pabs3 | Guerin: :) |
| 11:31.43 | Guerin | aidehua: v) eat the fucking chicken and get over it |
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| 11:31.54 | antgel | aidehua: do nothing. maybe she has an eating disorder |
| 11:32.02 | aidehua | Guerin: connection> people here are sane, and have given good advice before (notably: helping me write french love poems was a classic :) |
| 11:32.08 | sparr | tarzeau: none is even more than less. |
| 11:32.13 | Guerin | aidehua: people here are sane? |
| 11:32.31 | sparr | aidehua: v) eat the leftover chicken yourself |
| 11:32.31 | tarzeau | Guerin: you're the exception |
| 11:32.40 | Guerin | sparr: what are these 'options' you speak of, as regards reading text? |
| 11:32.49 | Guerin | tarzeau: bokbokbok? |
| 11:33.04 | aidehua | antgel: eating disorder> I actually hadn't thought of that, and you might have a point. |
| 11:33.21 | kapil | sparr: try w3m. you can go to web browsing if you need to as well. |
| 11:33.24 | sparr | Guerin: auto scrolling. justification. viewing fonts as a primary option, not hidden 3 menus deep. |
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| 11:33.41 | Guerin | sparr: autoscrolling, to keep your hands free? |
| 11:33.57 | sparr | that sounds so dirty :) but yes |
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| 11:34.14 | Guerin | sparr: you could always write a script to convert it to a html file which encapsulates the whole text in <marquee> |
| 11:34.16 | positron | how i can find someones ip address from gaim? |
| 11:34.25 | aidehua | Guerin: lol |
| 11:34.27 | sparr | or, not hands free, good pagination |
| 11:34.28 | Guerin | positron: depends on the protocol |
| 11:34.30 | jan_ | Hi, i'd like to run my apache on a port >1023, but it's still initated as root, is there a way i can change this? |
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| 11:34.37 | positron | Guerin: msn |
| 11:34.37 | sparr | most text editors have REALLY shitty page-down functionality |
| 11:34.44 | aidehua | I mean "heh" |
| 11:34.44 | Guerin | positron: no can do |
| 11:34.54 | Guerin | sparr: emacs |
| 11:34.54 | jm_ | or maybe you're too lame to use those editors |
| 11:34.58 | positron | Guerin: you sure? |
| 11:35.03 | Guerin | positron: positive |
| 11:35.15 | jeffrin | is there any program that rips a DVD to avi ? |
| 11:35.18 | Guerin | positron: they appear as user@something.msnmessenger.com |
| 11:35.23 | jm_ | jeffrin: yes |
| 11:35.36 | positron | Guerin: well. i have once established a direct connect when transfering files and then the ip is in netstat |
| 11:35.40 | kapil | jan_: if you start it as root it will start as root. Try starting it as yourself. |
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| 11:35.54 | positron | Guerin: but i dont know why it works just to particular users |
| 11:35.58 | flamethrower | Hello people |
| 11:36.02 | jeffrin | jm_ which is it |
| 11:36.07 | jm_ | jeffrin: dvd::rip |
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| 11:36.08 | Guerin | positron: hrm, that's true |
| 11:36.10 | Eclipser | jeffrin, dvd::rip |
| 11:36.16 | Eclipser | try apt-cache search next time :p |
| 11:36.17 | Guerin | positron: but that's not what you asked |
| 11:36.22 | antgel | aidehua: not really. more prevalent than anyone imagines. the bubble will burst one day soon and the world will realise that this is an epidemic |
| 11:36.51 | positron | Guerin: well i asked how to get someones ip |
| 11:36.52 | jeffrin | what is the name of the software |
| 11:36.56 | Eclipser | ... |
| 11:37.00 | jan_ | kapil: hmm, then i'll have to edit the damn init script :p |
| 11:37.01 | Eclipser | dvd::rip... |
| 11:37.23 | Guerin | positron: from gaim |
| 11:37.36 | flamethrower | I know this has nothing to do with Debian, so please spare me the flaming, but Windows is what I do my gaming on... I just tried to boot and apparently the boot.ini is missing, as when I select Windows XP in grub, it reboots, then I try again, it gives me options on how to start windows, then reboots |
| 11:37.42 | Guerin | positron: the answer to the question 'how do I get someone's ip?' is 'ask them to tell you' |
| 11:37.47 | sparr | Guerin: i think im failing to get my point across |
| 11:37.50 | flamethrower | So... how would I fix this, and if you can't tell me, where would I go to find out? |
| 11:37.55 | positron | Guerin: doh. from anywhere whose in my list |
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| 11:38.08 | jan_ | kapil: i guess adding some arguments to the start-stop-daemon will do ? |
| 11:38.09 | Guerin | sparr: no, you're getting your point across, I just don't really know ;) |
| 11:38.15 | sparr | Guerin: have you ever read text on a screen for 8 hours? joe average text editor just doesnt cut it. |
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| 11:38.31 | Guerin | sparr: it depends, but i tend to agree |
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| 11:38.36 | kapil | jan_: sure. |
| 11:38.43 | jm_ | flamethrower: it's really offtopic, but try booting from the install disc and tell it to repair things, I've never had it fix it |
| 11:38.47 | Guerin | i just haven't ever cared enough to find a better viewer |
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| 11:38.53 | sparr | exact pagination is a requirement. auto scroll is nice. |
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| 11:38.59 | jeffrin | i tried apt-cache and got dvdbackup and drip for ripping |
| 11:39.01 | sparr | most text editors dont have exact pagination |
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| 11:39.27 | caphuso | sparr: what is "exact pagination"? |
| 11:39.44 | flamethrower | Thx jm_ |
| 11:39.49 | Guerin | sparr: less does |
| 11:40.01 | flamethrower | Gonna burn off a LFS LiveCD to give that a shot while I'm on Debian |
| 11:40.08 | Guerin | sparr: if you mean 'skips to the line which wwas just off-page when you hit pgdn' |
| 11:40.11 | pone | Besucht mal unser neuer Chat: mIRC: /server -m irc.FreeIRC || |
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| 11:40.47 | Eclipser | is that to get pass autorejoin? |
| 11:40.49 | UdontKnow | klined |
| 11:40.50 | tarzeau | haha, how lame |
| 11:40.52 | Eclipser | to force one to leave? :) |
| 11:40.55 | sparr | caphuso: exactly one page down when you press page down. |
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| 11:41.09 | UdontKnow | Eclipser: /quote remove #channel nick :reason |
| 11:41.14 | sparr | Guerin: yeah, but console viewers tend to lack all the other nice features i want, namely quick easy font selection |
| 11:41.15 | UdontKnow | the : is important |
| 11:41.26 | UdontKnow | need to be op for that |
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| 11:41.32 | Guerin | sparr: choose your font and stick with it |
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| 11:41.43 | vimman | when i boot my system it hangs when it reaches the point "Starting PCMCIA services" |
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| 11:41.56 | caphuso | sparr: all the text editors i use do that |
| 11:42.00 | flamethrower | Are you running PCMCIA slots? Basically, desktop or notebook, vimman? |
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| 11:42.11 | vimman | desktop flamethrower |
| 11:42.18 | flamethrower | That's why. |
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| 11:42.25 | flamethrower | You should have set that to 'disable' |
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| 11:43.11 | triumph | anybody know how i can install a version of firefox that has been compiled with linkable Gecko libraries? |
| 11:43.17 | caphuso | sparr: and what do you need font selection for? you choose one font that suits your needs and then stick to it, preferably for years |
| 11:43.18 | vimman | hold on.. flamethrower it happens in both notebook and desktop!!! .. how do i disable it ? by editing rc5.d ? |
| 11:43.28 | antgel | flamethrower: don't think that's right. it should just ignore that setting |
| 11:43.43 | antgel | what is wrong with that bot? |
| 11:43.50 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: sometimes dpkg responds to people who don't address him |
| 11:44.01 | Guerin | antgel: it's happened a few times in the last few days |
| 11:44.02 | flamethrower | No one really knows why ^^ |
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| 11:44.22 | vimman | flamethrower: how do i disable it .. please tell me that |
| 11:44.27 | flamethrower | vimman, why would there be PCMCIA in desktop when you have PCI, AGP, PCI-x, and PCI-express? |
| 11:44.37 | sparr | caphuso: yes, text editors do. im not looking for a text editor, and i havent used an editor that id use as a viewer |
| 11:44.38 | flamethrower | Guerin should know, all I know is to disable it through install again. |
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| 11:44.56 | Guerin | hah |
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| 11:45.03 | antgel | vimman: did this box ever work? |
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| 11:45.07 | Georgi | i am using debians php4-cli and it doesnt support domxml extentions (domxml_open_file() gives call to undefined function back). Is there any way to get around this (compile php-cli by my self maybe) ? |
| 11:45.08 | sparr | caphuso: i dont know how far ill be from the screen, for one thing, so font size is important |
| 11:45.10 | martin_ | is there a kernelsource package feed for 2.6.14 available? |
| 11:45.17 | flamethrower | Uh oh |
| 11:45.21 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.32 | Guerin | martin_: yes, in sid and maybe etch |
| 11:45.33 | flamethrower | Ok, I was just gonna try googling it :/ |
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| 11:46.05 | flamethrower | !beer Guerin |
| 11:46.26 | flamethrower | Lol |
| 11:46.32 | flamethrower | Wouldn't know, I'm only 15 |
| 11:46.46 | caphuso | sparr: 75cm +/- something. anything else is going to hurt you |
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| 11:47.46 | sparr | caphuso: hurt in what way? |
| 11:47.48 | tonix | hiu guys, i need to ssh reverse into a debian machine behind a firewall from my office, so i use ssh -R 10001:localhost:22 user@remoteserver on the debian destination, i log with my password, and from now i can connect from my office to debian destination with a ssh localhost -p 10001. My question is: is there a way to initiate the tunnel from destination without the password? i mean i don't want let the user to login from debian destination and |
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| 11:47.58 | sparr | im 12 feet from my projected display right now |
| 11:48.10 | sparr | so far in my experience being farther from the display helps my eyesight |
| 11:48.16 | antgel | sparr: computers can be bad for your health if you don't sit properly etc |
| 11:48.21 | caphuso | sparr: urgh |
| 11:48.28 | martin_ | guerin: what about sarge? |
| 11:48.34 | tonix | i forgot to tell you guys that i need reverse ssh for administration purpose only!! |
| 11:49.25 | fireba11 | tonix: now what the hell is reverse ssh ? |
| 11:49.33 | caphuso | sparr: that probably means you have degenerated eyes. visit an ophthalmologist |
| 11:49.48 | sparr | caphuso: i do. visiting them again wont help any more than last time :-p |
| 11:50.14 | sparr | i also have a wicked corneal tear in the process of healing right now |
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| 11:50.26 | sparr | im well aware of the condition of my eyes, they are somewhat important to me you know |
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| 11:50.52 | triumph | anybody know how i can install a version of firefox that has been compiled with linkable Gecko libraries? |
| 11:51.51 | Guerin | martin_: no |
| 11:51.57 | tonix | fireba11: reverse ssh? google can help you! :-) |
| 11:52.02 | Guerin | martin_: sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 11:52.03 | flamethrower | Ok, LFS live cd 38% done.... |
| 11:52.14 | flamethrower | Gonna try one last time to compile sound for this... |
| 11:53.46 | sparr | and, just as an aside, its kinda nice to not have to worry about typing stuff into the middle of a document when im reading it |
| 11:54.04 | flamethrower | Gah damn it |
| 11:54.53 | vimman | antgel: the box was working ... it is a laptop |
| 11:55.06 | flamethrower | Ok |
| 11:55.13 | flamethrower | I just got a friggen huge error when trying to set up ALSA |
| 11:55.15 | flamethrower | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1218 |
| 11:56.01 | nixie | rm -f /lib/modules/2.6.82005-11-15-1 ?? |
| 11:56.11 | nixie | flamethrower: thats a really wierd kernel name |
| 11:56.19 | flamethrower | Downloaded it off apt... |
| 11:56.37 | flamethrower | It's apparently for k7, closer to k8 than i386... |
| 11:56.42 | kapil | vimman: what did you change that made it stop working. |
| 11:56.51 | flamethrower | I'm guessing I'ma need to set up alsa on the i386 kernel? |
| 11:57.05 | flamethrower | Then just modprobe the module? |
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| 11:57.24 | flamethrower | Either that, or locate the k7 kernel source? |
| 11:57.48 | nixie | well the source for sure, but the lines with 2.6.82005-11-15-1 dont make any sense. |
| 11:58.22 | flamethrower | I see, didn't notice that |
| 11:58.28 | flamethrower | Wonder wtf that is |
| 11:58.35 | flamethrower | rmdir dime |
| 11:58.57 | flamethrower | time |
| 11:59.10 | sparr | Guerin: most gui text editors cant do full screen. and the cursor is distracting |
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| 11:59.40 | flamethrower | Whoah, ok, I think I got this |
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| 11:59.58 | ciroro | Hi, I am looking for some software that allows me to make a home page with some news on it, which can be easily added to by newbies; a total CMS is way to big. Do you have any suggestions? |
| 11:59.59 | flamethrower | THe error is saying that it is wanting the alsa folder as a subdir to the 2.6.8-2-k7 source folder |
| 12:00.06 | flamethrower | So I'm guessing I'll have to cp the dir over |
| 12:00.09 | sparr | Guerin: and then theres a nice feature i encountered once, a text viewer that 'fixed' hard line wrapping |
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| 12:00.29 | tarzeau | sparr: tried TextEdit.app ? |
| 12:01.05 | emin | hallo, can anyone tell, how can I set path, that the standard-user can be able to execute the command "ifconfig" |
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| 12:01.46 | flamethrower | Ok, I'm lost now. |
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| 12:01.51 | flamethrower | How do I fix this? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1218 |
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| 12:02.23 | antgel | emin: just type /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 12:02.47 | flamethrower | Is that 2.6.82005-11-15-1 crap throwing this off or what? |
| 12:03.03 | sparr | tarzeau: no, but i doubt its acceptable. link? |
| 12:03.19 | tarzeau | sparr: apt-get install textedit.app |
| 12:03.51 | emin | antgel, but it would be easier to allow standard-user to execute, instead of writin /sbin/ifconfig |
| 12:04.06 | flamethrower | I hate to ask this, but how do I delete a folder? |
| 12:04.11 | flamethrower | rmdir, isn't it? |
| 12:04.13 | tarzeau | flamethrower: rm -rf |
| 12:04.17 | flamethrower | Thx. |
| 12:04.19 | tarzeau | flamethrower: this is not dos |
| 12:04.22 | jm_ | flamethrower: you have to boot into Windows to do it |
| 12:04.42 | sparr | TextEdit gives this error: /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/TextEdit.app/TextEdit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Library/Bundles/libgnustep-back.bundle/./libgnustep-back: undefined symbol: FTC_Manager_Lookup_Size |
| 12:04.46 | antgel | emin: it's just as easy for a user with a clue |
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| 12:05.11 | tarzeau | sparr: you're on sid? get libfreetype6 from sarge |
| 12:05.39 | flamethrower | I don't get this |
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| 12:05.58 | kapil | flamethrower: it seems to me to be incompatible that (a) you do not know "rm -rf" (b) you are trying to build a kernel module. |
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| 12:06.25 | flamethrower | I'm trying to build a sound module, according to the instructions on www.alsa-project.org |
| 12:06.30 | flamethrower | ca0106 |
| 12:06.38 | flamethrower | Simply put, it isn't working. |
| 12:06.45 | jm_ | Debian kernels have ALSA enabled |
| 12:06.54 | kapil | flamethrower: if you use kernel 2.6.x you probably do not need to build alsa. |
| 12:06.58 | flamethrower | Yes, emu10k1, not ca0106 |
| 12:07.01 | sparr | tarzeau: this perhaps qualifies as a package bug? |
| 12:07.09 | flamethrower | I need ca0106 for my SoundBlaster Live! LS |
| 12:07.11 | tarzeau | sparr: check bugs.debian.org/libfreetype6 |
| 12:07.19 | jm_ | use a newer kernel |
| 12:07.25 | Guerin | CONFIG_SND_CA0106=m |
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| 12:07.32 | sparr | ok, ive got libfreetype6 from unstable already, how do i get the one from sarge? |
| 12:07.34 | tarzeau | sparr: no need to file a bug, it's known since 172 days |
| 12:07.34 | kapil | flamethrower: just try to "modprobe snd-emu10k1". |
| 12:07.34 | flamethrower | Guerin, what do I do with that line? |
| 12:07.38 | Guerin | that was /exec -o grep 106 /boot/config-2.6.12-1-686 a |
| 12:07.49 | tarzeau | sparr: packages.debian.org/libfreetype6 download deb, dpkg -i , done |
| 12:07.50 | flamethrower | kapil, I have |
| 12:07.54 | Guerin | flamethrower: so install a debian kernel 2.6.12 or later and it'll work |
| 12:07.55 | jm_ | Guerin: he's probably using Sarge |
| 12:08.04 | tripz_ | howdy! im having a problem.. some fcuker is trying to break into my ssh server by brute force guessing passwords and usernames.. is there a way to set up the ssh server to allow, like one failure per hour or something, to make this dudes attepts pointless? (cant block via ip, he keeps changing).. any ideas? |
| 12:08.05 | flamethrower | I am using sarge on a 2.6.8 kernel :/ |
| 12:08.16 | flamethrower | I'll try, guerin. Are there any avail through apt? |
| 12:08.17 | Guerin | tripz_: install fail2ban |
| 12:08.25 | Guerin | flamethrower: in testing and sid, yes. |
| 12:08.27 | tarzeau | flamethrower: i'm using sarge on a 2.4.32 kernel |
| 12:08.30 | jm_ | tripz_: yes |
| 12:08.40 | Guerin | flamethrower: grep your own kernel config for the module |
| 12:08.49 | flamethrower | ... eh...? |
| 12:08.57 | sparr | tarzeau: i predict dpkg will give me a "nothing to be done". but im likely wrong |
| 12:08.58 | vimman | i have two kernels .. 2.4 and 2.6 .. will my system have two set of rc.d scripts ? |
| 12:09.10 | tarzeau | sparr: just do it :) you're wrong |
| 12:09.11 | antgel | vimman: no |
| 12:09.14 | flamethrower | I'm guessing the kernel will be on a testing source? |
| 12:09.24 | flamethrower | Nvm, saw your line |
| 12:09.44 | tripz_ | thanks! :) will try fail2ban |
| 12:09.54 | js_ | cant i run apache with both http and https using mod_ssl? |
| 12:10.14 | jm_ | or use iptables recent module |
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| 12:10.59 | kapil | flamethrower: just to understand your problem. you have an emu10k1 card that is unsupported by the current Debian kernel and would like to get more recent alsa drivers to work with this kernel. |
| 12:11.09 | flamethrower | kapil, it's not an emu10k1 card |
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| 12:11.20 | flamethrower | Check alsa-project.org if you don't believe me |
| 12:11.23 | Guerin | js_: sure you can. |
| 12:11.25 | flamethrower | kernel-image-2.6.14.2 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.14.2. |
| 12:11.29 | flamethrower | That's the one I want? |
| 12:11.31 | kapil | flamethrower: ok. so what card is it? |
| 12:11.45 | flamethrower | It isn't, it's onboard on my MSI K8N-Neo4-SLI |
| 12:11.57 | Guerin | !onboard |
| 12:12.00 | flamethrower | It's SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, detected as SoundBlaster Live! LS |
| 12:12.07 | Guerin | there needs to be a factoid to that effect |
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| 12:12.16 | flamethrower | Something about how onboard stuff blows? |
| 12:12.35 | flamethrower | Anyway, guerin, kernel-image-2.6.14.2 is what I want, right? |
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| 12:13.28 | Guerin | !onboard is <reply> All onboard sound, video, raid, network and modem cards suck great big donkey balls, and there's nothing you can do about it. unless your time is worth nothing, give up and buy a real card. This goes triple for raid. |
| 12:13.28 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 12:13.38 | jm_ | that's not true |
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| 12:13.53 | Guerin | jm_: it's true in every case I've ever seen. |
| 12:13.57 | huggis | can somebody help me. I install apach2 in debian but apache2-common doesn't installa apache2.conf |
| 12:14.21 | jm_ | Guerin: buy a decent board and you'll get good chips on it |
| 12:14.22 | flamethrower | Guerin, my SoundBlaster Live! sound works great for me. |
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| 12:14.27 | flamethrower | Exactly ^^ |
| 12:14.32 | jm_ | if it was only sb live ;) |
| 12:14.34 | flamethrower | My onboard networking is workign great |
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| 12:15.00 | flamethrower | I'm not sure what it is, other than SB Live!. It says 5.1 in windows, but LS on linux. |
| 12:15.11 | jm_ | yeah it's LS, some crippled version |
| 12:15.12 | antgel | Guerin: that blanket statement factoid sucks greast big donkey balls |
| 12:15.23 | flamethrower | Meh, that's fine with me. |
| 12:15.26 | flamethrower | It's better soudn than nothing. |
| 12:15.42 | flamethrower | Certainly beats 2 channel sound. |
| 12:15.48 | nixie | well. i must say that ive had a world of trouble getting optimal performance on several mini-itx boards; with via chipsets, intel chipsets and ati chipsets. the ati chipset board is crashing atm, so onboard does suck in a way. |
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| 12:16.09 | flamethrower | Lol, this is nforce. |
| 12:16.16 | flamethrower | I've not had a stability issue of any kind. |
| 12:16.30 | nixie | im not talking abuot stability. im talinkg about ease of configuration |
| 12:16.34 | nixie | its hell. |
| 12:16.35 | nixie | :) |
| 12:16.41 | flamethrower | :P Can't argue there. |
| 12:17.04 | Guerin | well, all of y'all who disagree are free to amend the factoid |
| 12:17.05 | flamethrower | It's saving me around a hundred bucks and puts out great sound, so I'm happy with it. If only it'd work on linux as well as windows. |
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| 12:17.12 | kapil | recently found an on-board sound card where the manufacturer had "forgotten" to put in pins for CD audio. |
| 12:17.23 | flamethrower | Oh buddy. That would suck hard. |
| 12:17.41 | Guerin | dpkg, onboard is also see tardware |
| 12:17.41 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 12:17.56 | flamethrower | Fack it, no response from guerin, so I'm installing kernel-image-2.6.14.2 |
| 12:18.02 | nixie | im not even sure how to begin analyzing the ati problem, as X is crashing the box whenever it starts, whether i use ati, radeon or fglrx. =/ |
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| 12:18.09 | kapil | luckily ;) the CPU was fast enough to play audio reading the CD using cdda2wav. |
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| 12:18.40 | flamethrower | Man that'd suck.. I'm glad I have this MSI board |
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| 12:18.51 | flamethrower | I'd have an Abit Fatal1ty if I could, though. |
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| 12:19.07 | flamethrower | What the fuck is with that dude constantly rejoining? |
| 12:19.12 | flamethrower | He keeps doing it on diff names yet same IP |
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| 12:19.23 | Guerin | flamethrower: sorry |
| 12:19.26 | fireba11 | flamethrower: will get a terratec 7.1 PCI soon .. it can put out everything as AC3 for my reciver :-) |
| 12:19.32 | Guerin | flamethrower: you might have issues with yaird |
| 12:19.41 | flamethrower | yaird? |
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| 12:19.48 | Guerin | flamethrower: you'll need to ask someone else about it, i don't knoww |
| 12:19.55 | jm_ | Terratec? that's too expensive for my liking |
| 12:20.04 | flamethrower | !yaird |
| 12:20.10 | flamethrower | Poo. |
| 12:20.12 | nixie | jm_: 7.1 pci costs $50 |
| 12:20.23 | antgel | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 12:20.23 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 12:20.34 | jm_ | nixie: yeah they have different models |
| 12:20.36 | flamethrower | Ok, how do I delete an apt archive? |
| 12:20.37 | tonix | hi guys, can i use otp (one time password) for one user only on myserver and not for other users? thanks |
| 12:20.38 | antgel | ^^ that's an installer |
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| 12:20.54 | jm_ | tonix: yes |
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| 12:21.03 | fireba11 | jm_ it's the only sound card available that can output everyhing, even EAX2 as AC3 stream so my reciever can decode and mix for my speaker setup :-) |
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| 12:21.32 | antgel | pabs3: it's a sarge installer |
| 12:21.51 | flamethrower | Ok, so that'll just install the kernel? |
| 12:22.16 | fireba11 | jm_ it's about 60 bucks .. not that expensive |
| 12:22.16 | goron | I recompiled a new kernel, but I'd like to install the nvidia drivers, such that they also work *after* a reboot. I am sure Debian has some tool which makes a mess now. (I had installed the previous drivers via The Debian Way). |
| 12:22.27 | jm_ | fireba11: don't have such beast at my disposal :( |
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| 12:23.38 | flamethrower | I want a Creative X-fi :( |
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| 12:23.57 | misieq | i have debian 3.1 sarge and wine 0.9.2 from winehq.com but it complains about not being able to find "libXxf86vm.so.1" file, so it cannot create a window... what can i do about it? |
| 12:24.03 | flamethrower | antgel: is that just a kernel installer? |
| 12:24.04 | jm_ | goron: man modules |
| 12:24.06 | fireba11 | jm_ sicne i use my reciever for everything it's pretty stupid to have the soundcard make stereo from EAX and have the reciever make surround out of that stereo signal ... |
| 12:24.25 | jm_ | fireba11: do you have a 5.1 setup? |
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| 12:24.38 | goron | jm_: Do you really think I don't load them at boot? |
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| 12:24.59 | goron | jm_: It's a very simple problem. I install the drivers, I can start X. |
| 12:25.02 | jm_ | goron: no, I think your Debian system doesn't |
| 12:25.03 | antgel | flamethrower: it's a sarge installer |
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| 12:25.13 | goron | jm_: Then I reboot, and then X doesn't run. |
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| 12:25.23 | goron | jm_: Well, lsmod says I have nvidia loaded... |
| 12:25.23 | jm_ | goron: that's because kernel module is not loaded |
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| 12:25.34 | jm_ | goron: then check X logfile to find out why it doesn't start |
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| 12:26.30 | fireba11 | jm_ not exactly ... got 2 big speakers in the front and 2 small in the rear .. can program the reciever so it puts subwoover and center to the front speakers .. they are big enough there is no need for a subwoofer |
| 12:26.36 | john_c | can someone tell me wich software should i use for this: i want an online "map" of the network, with each compuer displayed telling me wich computers are on, estimated uptime, and so on... the other machines are in general windows stations, but i need this activity report done, so any ideeas ? |
| 12:26.54 | jm_ | fireba11: ahh so classical surround |
| 12:26.58 | flamethrower | antgel: What does that mean? I'm a noob with linux |
| 12:27.07 | stdoubt | goron: also make sure your XF86Config-4 got changed "nv" -> "nvidia" |
| 12:27.24 | antgel | flamethrower: it's an installer for debian sarge which contains a 2.6.14 kernel |
| 12:27.27 | jm_ | john_c: tried nagios? |
| 12:27.30 | goron | stdoubt: I did that already. |
| 12:27.40 | flamethrower | oookay so it'll install another instance of debian? |
| 12:27.43 | _joey | john_c ping the broadcast |
| 12:27.47 | fireba11 | jm_ yes .. and with that sound card i could use it optimally i think :-) |
| 12:27.54 | antgel | flamethrower: yes |
| 12:28.04 | flamethrower | antgel: That's not what I want :( |
| 12:28.08 | jm_ | fireba11: I just use 5.1 Hercules speakers for my computer |
| 12:28.09 | _joey | or search for tools using ping sweep keyword |
| 12:28.14 | flamethrower | Anyone mind tellin me how to delete an archive from apt? |
| 12:28.18 | antgel | flamethrower: i know |
| 12:28.30 | john_c | jm_: yes, i had it, but i think is much to complicated for the scope, i only need 5% of the features, that is map and system up/down |
| 12:28.33 | oKtosiTe | flamethrower: delete an archive? |
| 12:28.42 | flamethrower | Yes, like old wine crap |
| 12:28.43 | stdoubt | goron: and comment out dri and GLcore too |
| 12:28.51 | fireba11 | jm_ i only got a reciever ... since i'm using the PC for watchin TV, playing DVDs, music and games .. :-D |
| 12:28.57 | goron | stdoubt: Did that too. |
| 12:28.59 | oKtosiTe | flamethrower: apt-get remove ? |
| 12:28.59 | jm_ | john_c: you can use muning for monitoring remote systems too |
| 12:29.03 | flamethrower | I apt-get remove'd it, but whatever it installed from is still there, I wanna delete that file |
| 12:29.08 | stdoubt | goron :-\ |
| 12:29.14 | goron | stdoubt: The problem is that after reboot, something is f*cked. |
| 12:29.16 | jm_ | john_c: that is munin, not muning |
| 12:29.20 | oKtosiTe | flamethrower: apt-get clean |
| 12:29.30 | flamethrower | Ty |
| 12:29.33 | john_c | jm_ i just need a php page to tell me wich system are online, and keep a record of the uptime they had. |
| 12:29.35 | oKtosiTe | flamethrower: np |
| 12:29.42 | kapil | john_c: one way is to use snmp with mbrowse or tkmib. |
| 12:29.47 | _joey | how difficult is to ping the broadcast address ? |
| 12:30.04 | jm_ | john_c: then write it yourself |
| 12:30.07 | john_c | kapil: i really don't want snmp for this |
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| 12:30.26 | john_c | jm_: not good at wrintig :( |
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| 12:30.33 | misieq | can i use ubuntu wine on debian? |
| 12:30.37 | flamethrower | Ok, installing linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 12:30.45 | stdoubt | goron: that something *has* to be in your XF86Config-4 file..... as long as the nvidia module is loading |
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| 12:31.02 | _joey | there is a good commercial application available on ms platforms called solarwind |
| 12:31.11 | kapil | john_c: perhaps spong then. but it too requires some installation on each machine. |
| 12:31.13 | _joey | for network engineers |
| 12:31.34 | flamethrower | goron: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 12:31.45 | goron | stdoubt: I am saying that if I now recompile the drivers, that I can then start X, *without* changing anything to my x conf. |
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| 12:32.09 | goron | flamethrower: I don't ask if I can't handle it myself. |
| 12:32.19 | pabs3 | misieq: why not just use debian's wine? |
| 12:32.25 | goron | er can handle |
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| 12:32.54 | flamethrower | Yes, I figured. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html has excellent instructions for installation of nvidia drivers and setting them up with X server. |
| 12:33.26 | flamethrower | Brb, rebooting into 2.6.12 |
| 12:34.07 | misieq | pabs3, because it doesn't seem to work properly - it complains about not having "libXxf86vm.so.1" file, so it cannot create a window |
| 12:34.19 | stdoubt | goron: sorry - i missed something - i thought you couldn't start x after installing the nvidia stuff......but you can ? |
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| 12:34.25 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there anywhere a lookup table for character conversion from iso-8859-1 to utf8? |
| 12:34.41 | goron | stdoubt: I can, but not after a reboot. |
| 12:34.47 | pabs3 | misieq: install libxxf86vm1 and try again |
| 12:34.58 | goron | stdoubt: So, I can compile the drivers via the Non Debian Way. |
| 12:35.03 | goron | stdoubt: Then I can startx. |
| 12:35.05 | kapil | mkl1525: try installing "tcs". |
| 12:35.17 | misieq | pabs3, is there a package with it? |
| 12:35.22 | antgel | misieq: it shouldn't complain about missing libs. how did you install it? |
| 12:35.24 | goron | stdoubt: But when I reboot, I get server cayght exception 11. |
| 12:36.09 | stdoubt | goron: when you reboot you're running on the newly recompiled kernel right? |
| 12:36.14 | pabs3 | misieq: the package is libxxf86vm1 on etch/sid |
| 12:36.14 | misieq | antgel, i've added some line from winehq.com to my sources.list and installed it using synaptic |
| 12:36.26 | goron | stdoubt: yes. |
| 12:36.27 | pabs3 | mirak: thats not debian's wine |
| 12:36.38 | misieq | pabs3, yeah i see it also on my sarge.... |
| 12:37.14 | misieq | pabs3, so what should i install and how? |
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| 12:37.21 | mkl1525 | kapil, thanks will have a look |
| 12:37.45 | goron | stdoubt: The only logical explanation would be that modprobe on boot loads a different nvidia module. |
| 12:37.57 | stdoubt | goron: and which kernel are you running *before* you reboot? |
| 12:38.03 | goron | stdoubt: the exact same |
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| 12:38.19 | pabs3 | misieq: either install the wine from sarge, backport the wine from sid/etch |
| 12:38.23 | misieq | pabs3, should i also install -dev package? |
| 12:38.46 | misieq | pabs3, libxxf86vm-dev? |
| 12:38.53 | pabs3 | nope |
| 12:38.53 | misieq | pabs3, libxxf86vm1-dev? |
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| 12:39.12 | pabs3 | nope |
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| 12:39.33 | goron | stdoubt: Ok, I found at least one problem. |
| 12:39.34 | misieq | pabs3, why shouldn't i use wine from winehq? |
| 12:39.45 | stdoubt | goron: my advice would be to uninstall that kernel, and start fresh with a good tutorial and clean out /usr/src |
| 12:39.55 | goron | stdoubt: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx is an old version. |
| 12:39.57 | darkness_ | Hey folks, over the last two days i've been seeing alot of activity logs towards ssh.They have come in blocks around about 50+ both times from two ip's. It appears to look like a brute force attack. Now i've put both ip's in hosts.deny. Is it worth contacting the admin on the whois lookup? I suspect it's a waste of time tbh |
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| 12:40.11 | pabs3 | misieq: it is probably compiled for newer libraries that sarge has |
| 12:40.12 | n3wbie_ | fucking beautiful |
| 12:40.18 | flamethrower | Now I remember why I didn't use the k8 kernel |
| 12:40.26 | goron | stdoubt: I don't need another tutorial. |
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| 12:40.33 | stdoubt | goron: as in understand it, you need a version of nvidia-glx that matches the nvidia source |
| 12:40.34 | flamethrower | Can't set up nvidia drivers because rivafb support was built into the kernel |
| 12:40.38 | goron | stdoubt: What I need is a way to get a new boot script. |
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| 12:40.42 | stdoubt | s/in/i |
| 12:40.47 | Anthro | Does anyone know of something akin to fetchmail that could monitor an RSS feed for new entries then download them and mail them to a particular address? I could write such a thing pretty easily, but I thought I'd check if such a thing already exists. |
| 12:40.57 | antgel | darkness_: you could have done it in the time you asked that question |
| 12:41.15 | goron | stdoubt: you mean the kernel source? |
| 12:41.20 | misieq | pabs3, and i how do i backport from sid/etch? |
| 12:41.25 | sbk | A GNU screen question rather than a debian question. I create a screen session in multi-user mode, and then have another user attach to this screen. I notice, that once the screen is being used by two users, neither one is able to change the window size. (eg, if one session runs from an xterm, and the window is resized, it doesn't update (say) an emacs session.) |
| 12:41.28 | stdoubt | goron: no the nvidia source |
| 12:41.32 | flamethrower | Damn, guerin is always afk when I need him. |
| 12:41.54 | darkness_ | antgel. I could but surely only an idiot would use their own machine to brute force? |
| 12:42.11 | antgel | darkness_: complain to the isp |
| 12:42.17 | flamethrower | How would I go about disabling rivafb support that is compiled into the kernel? |
| 12:42.28 | goron | stdoubt: Could you tell me which steps I should do to get the 7676 drivers installed such that I get a new bootscript? |
| 12:42.39 | tarzeau | sbk: #screen |
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| 12:43.09 | botsy | with nmap it's possible to see ports whose are forwarding ? |
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| 12:43.28 | flamethrower | Anyone know? |
| 12:43.41 | tarzeau | botsy: if the forward works, yes otherwise not |
| 12:43.42 | irc | key binding |
| 12:43.43 | irc | key binding |
| 12:43.45 | stdoubt | goron: not sure what you mean by bootscript... if you install a custom kernel (with whatever modules) if you do it the debian way (make-kpkg) it's all taken care of automatically |
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| 12:43.47 | tarzeau | botsy: or only half, dunno |
| 12:44.13 | sbk | tarzeau: ah, should have checked that first. Thanks |
| 12:44.16 | goron | stdoubt: I compiled the kernel the Debian Way. Just not the nvidia drivers. |
| 12:44.33 | goron | stdoubt: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx |
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| 12:44.42 | goron | stdoubt: That bootscript. |
| 12:44.47 | stdoubt | goron: so you used the nvidia binary installer? |
| 12:44.49 | goron | stdoubt: It contains VERSION=7176 |
| 12:44.50 | antgel | flamethrower: hold your horses. it's a module. stop it from loading |
| 12:44.58 | goron | stdoubt: Yes |
| 12:45.23 | flamethrower | antgel, how? |
| 12:45.39 | stdoubt | goron: then you should only require the nvidia-glx version that matches 7676 |
| 12:45.42 | botsy | tarzeau, but wh'ats the option for nmap ( -sT , sS )??? |
| 12:45.44 | goron | stdoubt: So, I am now asking you how to get a nvidia-glx package that has version 7676... |
| 12:45.47 | antgel | flamethrower: please make an effort to find out |
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| 12:45.50 | tarzeau | botsy: man nmap |
| 12:45.56 | tarzeau | botsy: i prefer to use netstat |
| 12:45.59 | goron | stdoubt: Since I am running Stable (with custom kernel) |
| 12:46.05 | dishfish | ahh, have to configure someone's wireless soonisssh |
| 12:46.08 | goron | stdoubt: Or can I just set NVDIST=unstable |
| 12:46.19 | stdoubt | apt-get -s install nvidia-glx to check version |
| 12:46.47 | stdoubt | goron: there is no nvidia stable stuff |
| 12:46.52 | dishfish | Hey, des someone have any Xperience in running NetBSD/Debian |
| 12:46.59 | antgel | !tell flamethrower about blacklist |
| 12:47.04 | antgel | !tell dishfish about someone |
| 12:47.07 | tarzeau | dishfish: no, but ask #gnu-kbsd i run debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 12:47.10 | goron | stdoubt: Then why does it say that I have the newest version installed? |
| 12:47.13 | dishfish | okay |
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| 12:47.18 | stdoubt | goron: but NVDIST=unstable is recommended in the tutorials |
| 12:47.33 | goron | stdoubt: I have installed 7176, so that's not the newest. |
| 12:47.41 | dishfish | i'm trying to build debian in a router that has 11 ports |
| 12:47.47 | stdoubt | goron: because apt is updated to stable and not unstable i'd imagine |
| 12:47.51 | tarzeau | dishfish: so? |
| 12:48.08 | tarzeau | dishfish: 2xquad and 3 single ones? |
| 12:48.17 | botsy | tarzeau, what's the command for netstat ? |
| 12:48.21 | stdoubt | goron: apt will tell you what is newest for whatever branch (stable testing etc) you are updated to |
| 12:48.24 | bboett | hello! hoosed my main server... the installed debian kernels all quit with a kernel panic... how can i restore that one wihtout reinstalling? |
| 12:48.24 | tarzeau | botsy: netstat -na |
| 12:48.26 | goron | stdoubt: My question is how to get the newest driver installed the Debian way. |
| 12:48.27 | dishfish | BSD canmake 11 connections at a time, but Debian has a better set of packages |
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| 12:48.43 | tarzeau | dishfish: debian is not only linux, it's also kfreebsd and hurd |
| 12:48.47 | goron | stdoubt: Or are you saying that it's impossible to do that? |
| 12:48.52 | tarzeau | dishfish: linux can also make 11 connections at a time |
| 12:49.14 | tarzeau | dishfish: besides BSD is one thing, NetBSD another, OpenBSD another, FreeBSD another |
| 12:49.20 | stdoubt | goron: change "stable" to "unstable" in your /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update |
| 12:49.25 | flamethrower | Ty antgel, now all I need to know is what the rivafb module is :/ |
| 12:49.30 | dishfish | it also has an ability to run NetBSD : so i was told in the Finnish Linux User Group meeting last weekend |
| 12:49.40 | stdoubt | goron: *then* check for nvidia-glx |
| 12:49.43 | goron | stdoubt: But that won't effect the rest of my system? |
| 12:49.51 | stdoubt | goron: yes |
| 12:49.52 | antgel | !tell dishfish about ports |
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| 12:49.53 | goron | stdoubt: If I change it back again, I mean. |
| 12:50.01 | bboett | BTW why do the standard debian kernels hate that much SCSI?? |
| 12:50.02 | dishfish | i'm listening |
| 12:50.03 | misieq | how can i backport wine from sid/etch? do i just have to download proper packages and install them using dpkg? |
| 12:50.07 | stdoubt | goron: but you can just change it back to stable then apt-get update again |
| 12:50.12 | tarzeau | bboett: they don't. which scsi? |
| 12:50.18 | antgel | !tell misieq about simple sid backport |
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| 12:50.27 | bboett | tarzeau, i have adaptec 2940 installed... |
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| 12:50.29 | jeffrin | how to use k3b for DVD rip |
| 12:50.29 | goron | stdoubt: ok, I will try to do that. |
| 12:50.31 | dishfish | i'd LOVE if there was a kernel sucj as QNX available for Debian |
| 12:50.34 | tarzeau | bboett: and that doesn't just work? |
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| 12:50.48 | tarzeau | dishfish: you need realtime? or what is the reason ? |
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| 12:50.50 | stdoubt | goron: either way, your kernel will be "tainted" by the proprietary nvidia stuff but you can still continue to run "stable" |
| 12:50.59 | bboett | just rebooted and seems i lost hte kernel from the installation, since lal others just won't boot... |
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| 12:51.01 | tarzeau | dishfish: use QNX if you love it |
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| 12:51.21 | bboett | and trying a rescue kernel doesn't work, since they don't load the scsi module... |
| 12:51.22 | tarzeau | bboett: i've never had such problems, sorry |
| 12:51.25 | dishfish | i'd like hard realtime, but i guess soft realtime's enough. I'd also like more simultaneous connections |
| 12:51.44 | tarzeau | dishfish: i didn't ask what you'd like, i asked what you need |
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| 12:51.49 | goron | stdoubt: I have had this discussion many times, but there are no real alternatives to nvidia and ati. |
| 12:51.55 | tarzeau | dishfish: configure your linux properly, see sysctl |
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| 12:52.10 | stdoubt | goron: too true |
| 12:52.11 | misieq | antgel, "apt-get -b source packagename" would look like "apt-get -b source wine"? |
| 12:52.14 | tarzeau | dishfish: linux can make as many simultaneous connections as solaris, windows and bsd, you just need to CONFIGURE it to do so |
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| 12:53.25 | dishfish | hmm, i have no experience innit though, i need a decent configuration that can run a router woth Fast Ethernet connecting some embedded devices together with a server |
| 12:53.45 | dishfish | i'm playing with robots in the school lab |
| 12:53.49 | goron | tarzeau: Why can't Linux change it configuration automatically? |
| 12:53.55 | goron | er its |
| 12:54.07 | tarzeau | dishfish: sysctl -a check that, and check net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range = 32768 61000 |
| 12:54.20 | tarzeau | dishfish: how many connections at the same time? |
| 12:54.28 | tarzeau | goron: huh? |
| 12:54.30 | flamethrower | antgel: this is the line I should add to discover.conf? skip="rivafb" |
| 12:54.35 | tarzeau | goron: why do you ask this? |
| 12:54.38 | dishfish | 10+1 minumum |
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| 12:54.45 | tarzeau | dishfish: it can do that perfectly |
| 12:54.52 | tarzeau | dishfish: you must be doing something terribly wrong |
| 12:54.58 | dishfish | i might |
| 12:55.05 | tarzeau | dishfish: what computer/nics are that? |
| 12:55.08 | antgel | !sias flamethrower |
| 12:55.15 | goron | tarzeau: Well, it seems to me that it should be possible to make something that varies settings automatically and learns the correct settings. |
| 12:55.23 | tarzeau | goron: no that's wrong |
| 12:55.28 | flamethrower | antgel, bot did nothing |
| 12:55.32 | antgel | !sias |
| 12:55.32 | dpkg | Suck It And See |
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| 12:56.07 | goron | Is (1.0.7174-4 Debian:unstable) the same as the nvidia 7676 driver? |
| 12:56.14 | tarzeau | goron: no |
| 12:56.49 | goron | tarzeau: Then how do I get the 7676 drivers? |
| 12:57.00 | tarzeau | goron: i don't know |
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| 12:57.19 | bboett | someone knows how to get a machine up from the busybox ? |
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| 12:57.26 | stdoubt | goron: you sure it's not at the nvidia site? |
| 12:57.36 | goron | stdoubt: You mean debs? |
| 12:57.39 | goron | stdoubt: no |
| 12:57.51 | goron | stdoubt: There are no debs on the nvidia site. |
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| 12:59.39 | dishfish | Cisco 10720 |
| 12:59.51 | goron | stdoubt: Ok, its in experimental. |
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| 13:00.41 | stdoubt | goron: ok cool |
| 13:00.42 | goron | er it's |
| 13:00.55 | goron | stdoubt: Well, still it seems nobody uses nvidia and Debian. |
| 13:01.12 | goron | stdoubt: Or they don't care to tell how they configured it. |
| 13:01.26 | goron | stdoubt: Or it's so hard to configure it, that nobody has. |
| 13:01.30 | stdoubt | goron: i do -and i been trying ;] |
| 13:01.39 | antgel | goron: or they prefer to use the Free drivers |
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| 13:02.07 | goron | antgel: But using the nv driver is a waste of capital. |
| 13:02.10 | jm_ | dpkg has two factoids about creating debs for nvidia stuff |
| 13:02.13 | stdoubt | it's really not hard but you didn't use the debian way -you installed the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run no? |
| 13:02.31 | jm_ | I have used both ways in the past andit's trivial |
| 13:02.35 | antgel | goron: wtf? |
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| 13:05.13 | goron | How do I get libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1)? |
| 13:05.30 | jm_ | don't |
| 13:05.48 | Shadowcat | !info libc6 sid |
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| 13:05.52 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4903 kB, Installed size: 16708 kB |
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| 13:06.15 | goron | jm_: Ok, how can I tell apt that I just want something to be installed without its dependencies? |
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| 13:06.30 | jm_ | goron: you can't |
| 13:06.36 | Shadowcat | that depends |
| 13:06.38 | goron | The 7676 driver from nvidia just works. |
| 13:06.41 | antgel | goron: what is it with some people that they try so hard to hose their systems? |
| 13:06.44 | Shadowcat | how much did you fuck up? |
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| 13:07.14 | goron | antgel: I only want to use the latest driver and be able to reboot and have it still working. That's not so much askes, now is it? |
| 13:07.19 | bouh | lol |
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| 13:08.04 | Shadowcat | latest driver? |
| 13:08.08 | Shadowcat | why? |
| 13:08.09 | goron | Shadowcat: I compile the nvidia driver from source. I can startx(with the new driver), then I reboot, and then it doesn't work. |
| 13:08.18 | goron | Shadowcat: Since they tend to work faster... |
| 13:08.28 | Shadowcat | goron: dude |
| 13:08.37 | Shadowcat | learn to edit your configuration files |
| 13:09.20 | goron | Shadowcat: hey dude, you are so brilliant. But I don't hear a solution. |
| 13:09.33 | jm_ | I told you - check the logfile to find out why it fails |
| 13:09.44 | antgel | goron: since they tend to work faster? so you have no real problem? |
| 13:09.48 | goron | jm_: And you think I didn't do that for like a zillion times? |
| 13:09.50 | SlayerXP | jm_: you're making the assumption that he can read. |
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| 13:10.02 | jm_ | goron: obviously not, otherwise you would know why it fails |
| 13:10.03 | SlayerXP | goron: I think you didn't do that a zillion times. |
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| 13:10.18 | goron | jm_: Unless the error messages are unclear. |
| 13:10.19 | SlayerXP | i'd be quite suprised if you'd done it once, let alone a zillion times. |
| 13:10.53 | goron | SlayerXP: You obviously don't know that I tried the same thing 1.5 years ago. |
| 13:11.04 | goron | SlayerXP: And then also nobody knew. |
| 13:11.04 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 13:11.14 | Shadowcat | goron: I'll let you figure it out on your own |
| 13:11.16 | Shadowcat | meanwhile |
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| 13:11.23 | goron | Shadowcat: You just don't know. |
| 13:11.27 | Shadowcat | I have nivida's official drivers running using XOrg |
| 13:11.28 | SlayerXP | goron: it's taken you 18 months to solve this problem? |
| 13:11.30 | Shadowcat | just fine |
| 13:12.03 | Shadowcat | goron: I do know |
| 13:12.04 | Shadowcat | I have a working implementation |
| 13:12.04 | Shadowcat | but since you insist on being a know it all |
| 13:12.05 | Shadowcat | I just won't tell you |
| 13:12.13 | goron | SlayerXP: No, I used a different OS when it didn't work. |
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| 13:12.31 | goron | Shadowcat: I don't know everything. I am just saying that I tried like everything. |
| 13:12.31 | goron | Shadowcat: If you can tell me one thing that I didn't try yet... |
| 13:12.31 | dimir | lol |
| 13:12.31 | Shadowcat | Sure you did </sarcasm> |
| 13:12.34 | Shadowcat | either way |
| 13:12.35 | dimir | lol |
| 13:12.36 | Shadowcat | back to work |
| 13:12.48 | dimir | omg! |
| 13:12.54 | antgel | goron: if you had tried *everything*, it would work |
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| 13:13.16 | nix | goron: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 13:13.17 | goron | antgel: Everything feasible on a human time scale. |
| 13:13.30 | jm_ | goron: you can always paste it somewhere where people can take a look |
| 13:13.31 | goron | nix: Sure I have seen that page a zillion times already. |
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| 13:13.52 | goron | jm_: Well, sure, but I don't think it will help. |
| 13:13.58 | SlayerXP | goron: try reading it just the ince. |
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| 13:14.26 | nix | goron: given the fact that people succesfully install the drivers using that page, i dont see the problem:) |
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| 13:15.10 | goron | http://pastebin.com/449499 |
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| 13:16.04 | misieq | hey... how do i do these comments in apache like seen on http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ at the bottom of the page??? |
| 13:16.16 | nix | goron: Option "NvAGP" "1". lsmod | grep agp shows nothing? |
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| 13:16.31 | jm_ | goron: it crashes |
| 13:17.02 | goron | jm_: Tell me something new. |
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| 13:17.35 | nix | goron: glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)" |
| 13:17.47 | jm_ | goron: you never mentioned this so far ... |
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| 13:18.15 | goron | jm_: I said that the X server does not start. That means that it crashes. |
| 13:18.26 | saloxin | misieq: i see no comments on the bottom of that page :-( but i believe you are looking for README.html in your httpd.conf |
| 13:18.28 | jm_ | goron: no it doesn't |
| 13:18.32 | nix | goron: You may be using different client and server versions of GLX, due to incorrectly installed symlinks. since its crashing at glx loadtime |
| 13:19.02 | goron | I already said what the problem is: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx has OLD content. |
| 13:19.11 | goron | But I don't know how to get the new bootscript. |
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| 13:19.21 | suppaman | hi |
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| 13:19.24 | goron | I am pretty positive that's the problem. |
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| 13:19.28 | suppaman | what packages am I supposed to install in order to make xconfig ? |
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| 13:19.41 | jharrisonwk | suppaman: whats wrong with make menuconfig? |
| 13:20.09 | goron | What I hear from you is that I basically can't install the newest driver on Stable. |
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| 13:20.30 | stdoubt | goron: did you try installing nvidia-glx from experimental yet? |
| 13:20.35 | goron | stdoubt: yes |
| 13:20.45 | goron | stdoubt: But that has dependencies I can't fulfill. |
| 13:20.49 | goron | stdoubt: libc6. |
| 13:20.49 | suppaman | jharrisonwk: I don't like it |
| 13:20.55 | jm_ | I use the newest driver on stable |
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| 13:20.58 | stdoubt | goron: and rebooted since? oh my |
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| 13:21.08 | jharrisonwk | suppaman: ok |
| 13:21.12 | nix | goron: tried apt-get --build source instead of installing binaries? |
| 13:21.12 | goron | jm_: Well, then explain how you did that. |
| 13:21.14 | suppaman | jharrisonwk: what's wrong with xconfig ? |
| 13:21.20 | goron | nix: no |
| 13:21.27 | nix | .. |
| 13:21.30 | jharrisonwk | suppaman: you are a GUI person arent you? |
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| 13:21.33 | misieq | saloxin, http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=file18zx.png |
| 13:21.37 | suppaman | indeed I am |
| 13:21.45 | suppaman | on kernel compiling at least |
| 13:21.57 | suppaman | but I use a lot bash |
| 13:22.04 | suppaman | and for editing I do use vi |
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| 13:22.23 | jm_ | goron: like I said -- both ways, a) using nvidia installer, and b) using nvidia oneliner |
| 13:22.23 | jharrisonwk | suppaman: well if you want to use make xconfig you ought to know what libraries etc... you need to make it happen dont you think? |
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| 13:22.37 | darkbird- | hi there does somone help me with php4 on woody and apache 2 ? it still works buy i can't use the email send feature alls php systems i tested can't send a email can somone tell me what i have to do? |
| 13:22.37 | dpkg | Many greetings, there does somone help me with php4 on woody and apache 2 ? it still works buy i can't use the email send feature alls php systems i tested can't send a email can somone tell me what i have to do, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:22.43 | misieq | saloxin, how do i do that? |
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| 13:22.56 | goron | jm_: And what script do you have in /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx? Does it state the correct version number> |
| 13:22.59 | suppaman | jharrisonwk: why are you questioning about this ? what's the point ? |
| 13:23.01 | goron | jm_: ? |
| 13:23.32 | jm_ | goron: what do you mean what script? the one that checks if TLS should be used |
| 13:23.40 | goron | jm_: yes |
| 13:23.45 | suppaman | jharrisonwk: I asked what (if there is one) packages should I install, I can see I have no wish actually was just wondering if there is a specific packages for kernel compiling or tk are enough |
| 13:23.52 | goron | jm_: But it also states a version. |
| 13:24.03 | goron | jm_: In mine it says VERSION="7176" |
| 13:24.13 | goron | jm_: And I think there's a mismatch coming from. |
| 13:24.13 | jharrisonwk | suppaman: I dont use make xconfig so I would not know |
| 13:24.44 | jm_ | goron: 1.0.7174 at work, 76 at home |
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| 13:25.10 | antgel | suppaman: why don't you just try it? |
| 13:25.20 | goron | jm_: And you didn't do --build source? |
| 13:26.15 | tarzeau | !ymmv |
| 13:26.15 | dpkg | methinks ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 13:26.29 | jm_ | goron: no, I used the nvidia one-liner approach here, and their installer at home |
| 13:27.00 | jm_ | goron: it has rebuilt the kernel module both times if that's what you want to know |
| 13:27.21 | suppaman | antgel: I'm asking in the meanwhile |
| 13:27.25 | goron | jm_: Ok, so it works on your system, but it doesn't on mine. |
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| 13:28.32 | jm_ | goron: the init script creates symlinks on my system |
| 13:28.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau! |
| 13:28.55 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk! |
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| 13:29.01 | suppaman | antgel: btw it works |
| 13:29.06 | suppaman | just tk8.4 |
| 13:29.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: whats up man? |
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| 13:30.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: not much, you? |
| 13:30.16 | goron | jm_: So you are suggesting that I should deinstall all nvidia-glx packages with --purge? |
| 13:30.16 | prock | is there a way to get a (FILE *) from the file number returned to me by open(2)? |
| 13:30.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: just sitting here doing some computer science type stuff as usual |
| 13:30.46 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 13:30.48 | Shadowcat | he's still at it |
| 13:30.58 | prock | whoops wrong channel |
| 13:30.58 | jm_ | goron: well it sounds like a good idea for you to deinstall all the stuff, check things manually and ensure it's all gone and then try to install it again |
| 13:31.07 | hent | !stallman |
| 13:31.07 | dpkg | methinks stallman is an arrogant self-serving hypocritical closed-minded wanker, or rms, or ask me abour rms |
| 13:31.15 | jharrisonwk | goron: why dont you just build nvidia drivers from source? |
| 13:31.17 | jm_ | prock: man yes |
| 13:31.29 | goron | jm_: With the nvidia installer then, you mean? |
| 13:31.32 | Shadowcat | jharrisonwk: he likes to complicate things |
| 13:31.33 | jharrisonwk | goron: well not from source but like using the latest nvidia driver |
| 13:31.39 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: I see that |
| 13:31.45 | prock | jm_: I sarcastic and useless response... just what I expected. thanks for nothing |
| 13:31.49 | jm_ | goron: doesn't really matter, it's best to use Debian way |
| 13:32.00 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: maybe he doesnt know how to get kernel headers or custom compile his kernel or something |
| 13:32.01 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what are you doing excactly? |
| 13:32.03 | jm_ | prock: just as much as I love stupid quesitons, always welcome |
| 13:32.04 | goron | jm_: But the Debian way doesn't give me the newest driver. |
| 13:32.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: well im trying to split an atom |
| 13:32.17 | Shadowcat | jharrisonwk: well if he hadn't mouthed off to me earlier |
| 13:32.21 | Shadowcat | I might have helped him |
| 13:32.29 | antgel | goron: you don't need the newest driver |
| 13:32.29 | goron | jm_: And if it's possible to do it The Debian way, then you can explain how. |
| 13:32.35 | Shadowcat | besides, it's impossible to generate kernel headers at the moment |
| 13:32.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but I find the positively charged ones are a pain |
| 13:32.41 | Shadowcat | kernel-pacakge is brokein in sid |
| 13:32.46 | Shadowcat | broken in* |
| 13:32.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: theory or real? |
| 13:32.52 | suppaman | this compile is a bit hazardous |
| 13:32.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: fiction |
| 13:33.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im kidding around with you |
| 13:33.19 | goron | antgel: Since you claim there is no difference in the performance of those drivers? |
| 13:33.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im just chatting right now |
| 13:33.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what are you up to? |
| 13:33.36 | Shadowcat | goron: you won't notice the 2ns difference |
| 13:33.40 | suppaman | I hope I'm not forgetting something, it's a via lan reboot.. |
| 13:33.42 | antgel | goron: i claim that you are wasting more time than you would save |
| 13:33.49 | Shadowcat | antgel: agreed |
| 13:33.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I should be getting my days tasks in order |
| 13:33.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but its monday morning |
| 13:34.04 | Shadowcat | actually goron is displaying typical windows user behavior |
| 13:34.08 | Shadowcat | newer must be better |
| 13:34.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: things are have not kicked into gear for me yet |
| 13:34.21 | Shadowcat | which is not true when it comes to software at all |
| 13:34.25 | goron | Shadowcat: Did you look at e.g. amarok? It holds for that... |
| 13:34.30 | hent | monday o.O crap.. i should be somewhere else |
| 13:34.38 | Shadowcat | goron: so go run debian experimental then |
| 13:34.42 | Shadowcat | we'll see how long you last |
| 13:34.42 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: there is always NOT using kernel-package and doing it by hand |
| 13:34.43 | goron | Shadowcat: The version in Stable is completely unusuable. |
| 13:35.01 | jharrisonwk | poor poor guys |
| 13:35.02 | Shadowcat | jharrisonwk: heh I'll wait until they fix the package |
| 13:35.16 | jm_ | goron: backport |
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| 13:35.38 | pem3v78 | when booting using pxe and serial console, messages are printed on one line using about 15 columns, are are overwritten constantly. What could be wrong ? |
| 13:35.39 | goron | jm_: Also applicable for the nvidia driver? |
| 13:35.45 | jharrisonwk | thats the problem with you youngsters |
| 13:35.47 | antgel | goron: i'm not sure that debian is the right fit for you |
| 13:35.48 | darkness_ | Who actually works on the new debian distro's and do they get paid well :-) |
| 13:35.56 | pem3v78 | s/are are/they are/ |
| 13:36.02 | jharrisonwk | you always need some tool to do what you could do by hand |
| 13:36.19 | antgel | pem3v78: serial settings |
| 13:36.26 | jharrisonwk | goron: I hear ubuntu is pretty sweet |
| 13:36.27 | goron | antgel: Well, what would you suggest? |
| 13:36.32 | Shadowcat | jharrisonwk: I could generate the whoel thing by hand |
| 13:36.35 | jharrisonwk | goron: or kubuntu |
| 13:36.40 | pem3v78 | antgel: any specifics ? |
| 13:36.42 | goron | jharrisonwk: I hear they have the same problem on ubuntu. |
| 13:36.44 | Shadowcat | and I would if I had need fo the headers |
| 13:36.48 | Shadowcat | right now I just can't compile them |
| 13:36.52 | Shadowcat | which is inconvenient |
| 13:36.53 | antgel | goron: something where you get broken bleeding edge stuff |
| 13:36.56 | Shadowcat | but hardly life threatening |
| 13:36.59 | jm_ | goron: yeah - it keeps the sources in tar file in /usr/src |
| 13:37.03 | stdoubt | nvidia under ubuntu is insanely easy to setup |
| 13:37.06 | antgel | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
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| 13:37.15 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 13:37.18 | Shadowcat | !beat antgel |
| 13:37.18 | jharrisonwk | goron: gentoo? |
| 13:37.28 | jharrisonwk | goron: well maybe gentoo is not good for you either |
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| 13:37.32 | EdibleText | pem3v78, do the baud rates match ? |
| 13:37.33 | nixie | cat #debian | grep -v hostility |
| 13:37.36 | goron | jm_: it? Are you talking about ubuntu? |
| 13:37.39 | jharrisonwk | goron: suse? |
| 13:37.44 | pem3v78 | yes |
| 13:37.49 | goron | jharrisonwk: I hate Gentoo, since I ran it some time. |
| 13:37.57 | pem3v78 | baud, 8N1 |
| 13:38.03 | pem3v78 | match |
| 13:38.07 | goron | jharrisonwk: I like FreeBSD, but it doesn't have good servers. |
| 13:38.15 | goron | jharrisonwk: For getting the packages. |
| 13:38.18 | jharrisonwk | goron: eh? |
| 13:38.19 | antgel | goron: but you get to build everything for Maximum Performance |
| 13:38.23 | goron | jharrisonwk: It's too much source based. |
| 13:38.29 | goron | antgel: I don't care anymore. |
| 13:38.29 | jharrisonwk | goron: what? |
| 13:38.38 | jharrisonwk | goron: never heard of pkg-add? |
| 13:38.43 | goron | jharrisonwk: FreeBSD has packages, but they break all the time. |
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| 13:38.48 | antgel | goron: good. then use the nv driver |
| 13:38.52 | goron | jharrisonwk: Damnit, I am talking about packages. |
| 13:39.02 | tarzeau | goron: try debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 13:39.04 | jharrisonwk | goron: alright there big fella |
| 13:39.09 | goron | Can I say that you are the least understanding people on the planet? |
| 13:39.14 | jharrisonwk | goron: take it easy |
| 13:39.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hehe |
| 13:39.28 | antgel | goron: on the contrary. right back at ya |
| 13:39.34 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: do you really think he can handle that? |
| 13:39.34 | suppaman | bye |
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| 13:39.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: well I guess if he has run gentoo debian/freebsd would not be a big deal |
| 13:39.59 | jm_ | goron: no, the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 13:40.18 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 13:40.21 | Shadowcat | this is amusing |
| 13:40.48 | jharrisonwk | goron: if you would just compile a custom kernel and the install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site you would be golden |
| 13:41.00 | jharrisonwk | goron: why I did it just the other day on a laptop at the office |
| 13:41.01 | goron | jharrisonwk: Guess what I already have done? |
| 13:41.04 | nixie | i had never heard of debian gnu/kfreebsd before |
| 13:41.09 | jharrisonwk | goron: compile a kernel? |
| 13:41.10 | antgel | jharrisonwk: i think he needs to compile *less* not more |
| 13:41.17 | goron | jharrisonwk: I think the problem is that I installed the drivers the debian way. |
| 13:41.19 | antgel | goron: used gentoo? |
| 13:41.27 | goron | jharrisonwk: And then compiled a new kernel. |
| 13:41.28 | jharrisonwk | goron: probably |
| 13:41.40 | jharrisonwk | goron: well see you do the kernel stuff FIRST |
| 13:41.41 | goron | jharrisonwk: and then build the nvidia drivers. |
| 13:41.51 | goron | jharrisonwk: Look I did. |
| 13:41.53 | jharrisonwk | goron: then you think about the nvidia drivers once the kernel stuff is sorted out |
| 13:42.11 | goron | jharrisonwk: But probably some stuff is floating around. Anyway, I don't know. That's why I ask. |
| 13:42.22 | darkness_ | What is it about Nvidea g/card and debian? |
| 13:42.24 | jharrisonwk | goron: are you sure you compiled the kernel correctly? |
| 13:42.29 | goron | jharrisonwk: Yes |
| 13:42.30 | jharrisonwk | goron: configured it correctly |
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| 13:42.44 | goron | jharrisonwk: Even with the initrd stuff. |
| 13:42.47 | jharrisonwk | darkness_: the laptop I worked on the other day has nvidia go 440 |
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| 13:42.51 | jharrisonwk | darkness_: works fine |
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| 13:43.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you know debian gnu/kfreebsd is so easy to install, half of the question d-i has |
| 13:43.12 | jharrisonwk | goron: initrd should be avoided by the way |
| 13:43.15 | darkness_ | Yeah, i use the nvidea 2 gts pro and works fine. |
| 13:43.22 | jharrisonwk | goron: unless you really really need it |
| 13:43.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: really? |
| 13:43.35 | goron | I am saying that if I now quite my xserver(I am now running nv), and then compile the driver, and then change the xconf, and then restart X, I have working GLX. |
| 13:43.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: easy easy now? |
| 13:43.44 | goron | After a reboot it does NOT work anymore. |
| 13:43.45 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: can the freebsd kernel be compiled on it? |
| 13:43.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes, no more 2 cds needed |
| 13:43.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes it can |
| 13:44.03 | goron | That's the problemen and why can't somebody just say:"Oh, you have to remove X". |
| 13:44.05 | Phated | goron: Do you remember to load the nvidia driver on reboot? |
| 13:44.13 | goron | Phated: yes |
| 13:44.15 | jharrisonwk | goron: because you need to have the nvidia module loaded at boot? |
| 13:44.17 | Phated | Oh well. |
| 13:44.19 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: easy-like-even-yermom-can-do-it |
| 13:44.31 | jharrisonwk | goron: looks like you have a bad relationship with your computer |
| 13:44.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yermom? |
| 13:44.40 | goron | You do circular talking all day or not? |
| 13:44.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: are you sure? |
| 13:44.52 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: there is precious little yermom can do with a computer |
| 13:45.01 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 13:45.05 | jharrisonwk | thats good |
| 13:45.07 | antgel | goron: if you don't want to listen to all the good advice, why are you still here? |
| 13:45.09 | jharrisonwk | circular talking |
| 13:45.22 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 13:45.29 | jharrisonwk | sorry but I think thats funny |
| 13:45.31 | goron | antgel: What advice is good then? |
| 13:45.40 | goron | antgel: I have heard one thing. |
| 13:45.49 | Tenkawa | all the advice has sounded good so far |
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| 13:45.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes it's really that easy |
| 13:45.55 | Tenkawa | you just have to listen and use it |
| 13:45.58 | goron | Tenkawa: It may sounds good. |
| 13:46.01 | goron | er sound |
| 13:46.05 | nixie | goron: if you so believe the init.d script is at fault, try (as i suggested) source compiling the package |
| 13:46.06 | goron | Tenkawa: doesn't mean anything. |
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| 13:46.21 | pusling | is there a way to get build-dep of a sourcepackage ? (not using apt, the package is not in debian) |
| 13:46.26 | antgel | goron: i refer you to my advice about using nv driver |
| 13:46.34 | antgel | pusling: no |
| 13:46.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I wish I had a machine to spare |
| 13:46.49 | goron | nixie: "the package"? The Debian package or the nvidia website's package? |
| 13:46.58 | nixie | goron: debian package. |
| 13:47.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: which ones? |
| 13:47.33 | goron | antgel: But that doesn't enable me to run 3d apps with acceptable performace, or does it? |
| 13:47.45 | jharrisonwk | antgel: he probably wont be happy with just 2d |
| 13:47.47 | Tenkawa | goron: no but it helps you troubleshoot the source of the real problem |
| 13:47.53 | _Roey | antgel: HEY, I found out why sudo didn't ask me for a password. It's because my account was listed in /etc/passwd as belonging to the 'sudo' group. Accounts in the 'sudo' group don't need a password to use sudo. |
| 13:48.07 | goron | Tenkawa: I am *now* running the nv driver. |
| 13:48.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: #gnu-kbsd see /topic |
| 13:48.11 | _Roey | antgel: and I never did that explicitly, so it's the debian installer's fault. |
| 13:48.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what about it? |
| 13:48.35 | tarzeau | pusling: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:48.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the installer + documentation. it's very easy |
| 13:48.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah yes I see |
| 13:49.02 | antgel | goron: 1. i don't know. 2. man nv. 3. if it's not supported, consider the docs on x.org to see if a newer xv will work. 4. what 3d apps are you running? |
| 13:49.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im waiting for amd64 cpu with virtualization |
| 13:49.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: or what were you refering to? 14:47 < jharrisonwk> tarzeau: which ones? |
| 13:49.14 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: ha ha |
| 13:49.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: then I can run many OSs at hardware speed |
| 13:49.28 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: thta's the only way to do this correctly, ya know? |
| 13:49.31 | goron | antgel: e.g. blender |
| 13:49.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: that was to wrong person |
| 13:49.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you'll miss all the funny time |
| 13:49.46 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: is for Intel to fix their stupid bolt-on architecture. |
| 13:49.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: tab compleation crazyness |
| 13:49.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: where you do apt-get install every4thpackage , and find out it wouldn't work |
| 13:49.58 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: they had vm86 but they never extended it to 32 bits or 64 bits. |
| 13:50.09 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: what do you mean? |
| 13:50.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what? |
| 13:50.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: every 4th package? |
| 13:50.33 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: well there are several x86 operating modes, right? there's real mode, protected, and vmm86 |
| 13:50.34 | antgel | _Roey: hmm. i've never seen that in debian. if it's not in bts, you may wish to report it, but i doubt it's reproducible |
| 13:50.46 | _Roey | antgel: it happened on two machines here already. |
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| 13:50.53 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: I' |
| 13:50.57 | overbyte | hey all |
| 13:50.57 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: I |
| 13:51.00 | Tenkawa | 'dangit |
| 13:51.03 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: yes go on |
| 13:51.05 | _Roey | antgel: the installer puts my user account in /etc/passwd under the 'sudo' group. |
| 13:51.06 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: yes you |
| 13:51.11 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: sorry |
| 13:51.15 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: vmm86 was meant to virtualize 8086. |
| 13:51.16 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: I'm building a AMD X2 4200 machine at the end of the week |
| 13:51.23 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: nice |
| 13:51.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: only 76% is built for it |
| 13:51.28 | Tenkawa | 9:) |
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| 13:51.30 | Tenkawa | er :) |
| 13:51.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and some software don't work like they should, they work but in a funny way :) |
| 13:51.47 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: well lets just see how amd does before we condem it |
| 13:51.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: really funny. i promise |
| 13:51.53 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: ok. |
| 13:51.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :) |
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| 13:51.58 | Tenkawa | it should thrash my athlon xp 2600 |
| 13:52.01 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 13:52.11 | overbyte | i have a kernel-related query: i'm running debian 3.1 sarge with kernel 2.4 (off the boot CD from debian.org). I'd like to upgrade to kernel 2.6 - what is the simplest way to do this? |
| 13:52.15 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: I have athlon xp 2600 now |
| 13:52.16 | Tenkawa | evenm y dual athlon MP 2600 |
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| 13:52.30 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: but I am unhappy with current amd64 motherboards so I wait |
| 13:52.34 | Tenkawa | the machine I'm ircing from is a dual MP 2600 |
| 13:52.50 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: I'm getting the Asus A8N CSM I think it was |
| 13:52.51 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: I hope this stuff gets good. But I doubt MS will want to give up its reign on the computer just yet--MS will probably find ways to engineer it so that Windows /must/ be the hypervisor or the trusted host partition |
| 13:53.02 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: no point in buying motherboards that will not allow open source developers to code drivers to use all features of the board |
| 13:53.16 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: then you're stuck back five years ago |
| 13:53.23 | Tenkawa | on board geforce 6150. May be on board but still should destroy my fx 5600 |
| 13:53.25 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: then we will crack it |
| 13:53.26 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: radeon 9200, etc. |
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| 13:53.33 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: if only. |
| 13:53.40 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: or we will not buy such hardware |
| 13:53.53 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: amd or intel we have a lot of other problems than driver support with the new boards |
| 13:53.54 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: trust me we will crack it to run whatever we want |
| 13:53.58 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: then you're limited in terms of what hw you can use |
| 13:53.59 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: I will never run windows |
| 13:54.00 | Tenkawa | nothing takes full advantage of DC yet |
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| 13:54.03 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: look, we didn't crack nvidia. |
| 13:54.05 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: then so be it |
| 13:54.22 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: I will also not ever run Windows. |
| 13:54.43 | _Roey | what's "linux" |
| 13:54.44 | _Roey | ? |
| 13:54.52 | _Roey | Tenkawa: you mean gnu/linux? |
| 13:54.53 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: I think the open source community is larger and more powerful then you think |
| 13:55.09 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: show me a working nvidia implementation. |
| 13:55.16 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: I think we're not that big. |
| 13:55.20 | Tenkawa | _Roey: I'll tell you same thing I told someone the other day. "Don't get me started on my choice of wording" |
| 13:55.27 | jharrisonwk | overbyte: download kernel source, configure, compile, install, and reboot |
| 13:55.30 | Tenkawa | :) |
| 13:55.35 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: and the ratio of usres to contributors is huge. |
| 13:55.44 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: what do you mean nvidia implimentation? |
| 13:55.52 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: graphics or mainboard? |
| 13:55.52 | overbyte | jharrisonwk: cool. can i get a binary kernel with apt? |
| 13:56.00 | jharrisonwk | overbyte: sure |
| 13:56.07 | ariel | good morning everybody, does anyone could help building a chrooted environment on my system, I followed all the steps showed on debion doc. however, when I tried login in using chrooted account I've got this "" /bin/bash: No such file or directory"" connection to a.b.c.d closed |
| 13:56.09 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: I mean something with acceleration for graphics (nvidia video) |
| 13:56.11 | jharrisonwk | overbyte: aptitude search kernel-image |
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| 13:56.30 | jharrisonwk | overbyte: aptitude install kernel-image-versionyouwant |
| 13:56.38 | goron | jharrisonwk: I think a lot of people in the open-source community create something that can not be described as software. |
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| 13:56.43 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: well its not totally open |
| 13:56.46 | Tenkawa | _Roey: any GF6 gpu is good |
| 13:56.50 | nixie | ariel: seems you haven't copied all required files into the chroot. |
| 13:56.51 | rvalles | I need mkfs.vfat |
| 13:56.51 | goron | jharrisonwk: There are only a few with brains. |
| 13:56.54 | overbyte | jharrisonwk: ok... is there any major advantage to building a kernel from source, over simply installing a binary? |
| 13:56.55 | rvalles | what package is it on? |
| 13:56.56 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: but nvidia does support linux/freebsd people pretty well |
| 13:57.04 | jm_ | rvalles: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:57.27 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: bull! |
| 13:57.39 | nixie | ariel: if your chroot path is in, say, /chroot, you should have a /chroot/bin/bash. if not, re-check you copied all files into the chroot. |
| 13:57.43 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: their drivers are nowhere near stable, yet they refuse to divulge any information |
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| 13:57.50 | Tenkawa | _Roey: WUH???????? |
| 13:57.56 | ariel | nixie: but I did |
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| 13:57.59 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: each nvidia card I've had has locked up my machine time and time again. |
| 13:58.01 | alex6z | If everything was OSS, where would the fun of hacking propitary software go? |
| 13:58.01 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: dont know what you mean |
| 13:58.31 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: it's a well-known problem with nvidia. |
| 13:58.32 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: I have heard many good things about nvidia support |
| 13:58.32 | alex6z | If everything was OSS, where would the fun of hacking propitary software go? |
| 13:58.32 | Tenkawa | My nvidia drivers have been ultra stable and I hammer the graphics on that machine |
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| 13:58.32 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: look up 'nvidia freeze X' on google. |
| 13:58.32 | freakynl | i have a rpm installed using alien, but now the package is looking for libgdbm.so.2 anyone know what package I can get that from? |
| 13:58.32 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: I use ati myself |
| 13:58.32 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: well now you're hearing something bad ;) |
| 13:58.32 | nixie | ariel: the error speaks for itself. it is missing bin/bash. |
| 13:58.38 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: ah, at least that card I didn't have trouble wtih. |
| 13:58.43 | Tenkawa | I can freeze X with pretty much any vid card in existence |
| 13:58.43 | _Roey | (the ati one) |
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| 13:59.00 | _Roey | Tenkawa: I need Nvidia commercial drivers to do that. |
| 13:59.00 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: the problem I have right now is with nvidia mainboards |
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| 13:59.04 | Tenkawa | ESPECCIALLY ati ones |
| 13:59.06 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: nforce? |
| 13:59.19 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: they have all the features I want but no linux support for say NCQ etc... |
| 13:59.22 | antgel | !tell freakynl about apt-file |
| 13:59.23 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: I hear you can't even get the ethernet card to work withotu using NVidia drivers. |
| 13:59.24 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: yes nforce |
| 13:59.28 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: NCQ? |
| 13:59.33 | jharrisonwk | _Roey: probably true |
| 13:59.36 | _Roey | NCQ what's that? |
| 13:59.37 | Tenkawa | not true |
| 13:59.39 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: native command queuing |
| 13:59.42 | _Roey | network controller q(something)? |
| 13:59.42 | _Roey | oh |
| 13:59.44 | Tenkawa | forcedeth driver |
| 13:59.46 | _Roey | jharrisonwk: ohhhh ok |
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| 13:59.52 | Tenkawa | works perfectly |
| 13:59.58 | goron | forcedeth works great, although I use the Yukon. |
| 13:59.59 | _Roey | Tenkawa: hey thanks |
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| 14:00.06 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: nvidia cannot release the specs for linux people to code drivers for NCQ |
| 14:00.08 | goron | NForce2 |
| 14:00.14 | ariel | nixie: well, right, but the fact is that that /chrooted/bin/bash exists I've created the enviroment using setup-chrootdir-shell.sh |
| 14:00.20 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: which is one of the reasons I will not buy an nvidia board now |
| 14:00.21 | freakynl | antgel: thx will check it out |
| 14:00.28 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: well at least they acknowledge it and dont deny it |
| 14:00.32 | antgel | !tell freakynl about thx |
| 14:00.38 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: the next version nforce5 I guess they say they will make sure to be able to release the specs |
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| 14:00.49 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: well its not technically nvidia's fault |
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| 14:00.54 | Tenkawa | and honestly is NCQ really a showstoper at this point in time? |
| 14:00.55 | p3rti | hi |
| 14:00.56 | goron | jharrisonwk: Where do you get that from? |
| 14:00.57 | ne | How can i test for the presence of a debian package (without any fork(2)) ? |
| 14:01.05 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: it is some other company that worked with them on the nforce4 that wont allow the spec release |
| 14:01.11 | freakynl | antgel: thx will check it out |
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| 14:01.20 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: nvidia apparently is restricted by the licensing |
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| 14:01.36 | Shadowcat | ouch |
| 14:01.36 | Tenkawa | well for me is no a big issue since I run both Linux and XP |
| 14:01.36 | dfd | bye |
| 14:01.38 | p3rti | i have big problems with udev. now i have the last version and if i want to block a modules from loading on the startup i put on blacklist and it doesnt make anything! |
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| 14:01.42 | nixie | ariel: if you do "cd /chrooted; chroot .", does that work? e.g. can you use the chrooted enviroinment like that? |
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| 14:01.45 | Shadowcat | can anyone recommend cd burning software / frontend for gnome? |
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| 14:01.52 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: well NCQ is big enough issue for me |
| 14:01.59 | Tenkawa | jharrisonwk: interesting |
| 14:02.03 | _Roey | arg |
| 14:02.07 | Tenkawa | uggh |
| 14:02.07 | jharrisonwk | Tenkawa: especially since I have NCQ supported sata drives |
| 14:02.07 | _Roey | shut this down?? |
| 14:02.09 | freakynl | ncq is sata's command queue right? |
| 14:02.20 | jharrisonwk | freakynl: well its taken from scsi but yes |
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| 14:02.29 | freakynl | :) |
| 14:02.34 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 14:02.39 | Tenkawa | off that server |
| 14:02.47 | p3rti | hey. somebody can help me? |
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| 14:03.06 | freakynl | haven't looked into it. heared some stories on it about a year ago of ppl that said it would be it, but they couldn't test yet as there weren't any disks supporting it yet :/ |
| 14:03.08 | Tenkawa | Any of you got performance benchmarks on the 7200 versus 10k rpm SATA drives? |
| 14:03.09 | dimir | ??domebody |
| 14:03.13 | dimir | !domebody |
| 14:03.18 | dimir | !somebody |
| 14:03.18 | dpkg | i heard somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 14:03.19 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:03.21 | nix | Tenkawa: www.storagereview.com? |
| 14:03.26 | Tenkawa | nix: looking |
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| 14:03.30 | freakynl | p3rti: in chans like this just ask and see |
| 14:03.37 | p3rti | i have big problems with udev. now i have the last version and if i want to block a modules from loading on the startup i put on blacklist and it doesnt make anything! |
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| 14:04.44 | p3rti | example. with my capture card. i block all the modules that load the card on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and i reboot. and still the same. the driver its loaded automat... |
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| 14:05.03 | lunaphyte_ | how can you determine what process is using a particular tcp port? |
| 14:05.06 | Tenkawa | only think I've noticed is the 10k sata drives are dayam expensve per mb |
| 14:05.10 | Tenkawa | er gb |
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| 14:05.15 | jm_ | lunaphyte: netstat, lsof |
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| 14:05.40 | botsy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:06.02 | antgel | botsy: jesus, the error tells you all |
| 14:06.04 | lunaphyte_ | jm_: thanks |
| 14:06.05 | ariel | nixie: thank you so much for helping me, seems that my chrooted environment is wrong because /bin/bash exists but cannot be launched, bye |
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| 14:06.22 | nix | \o/ |
| 14:06.22 | botsy | sorry ... |
| 14:06.30 | botsy | i have a problem with openldap ... when i want to know what's me sid .. i have an error : lib/smbldap.c:smbldap_search_suffix(1246) |
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| 14:07.10 | antgel | botsy: do you know what a dn is? do you know anything about ldap? |
| 14:07.19 | botsy | yes i know |
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| 14:07.37 | botsy | but it's where ? in the smb.conf, the sldap.conf , where N |
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| 14:07.38 | botsy | ? |
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| 14:08.47 | goron | Ok, it finally works. I had never thought it would ever be solved. |
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| 14:08.58 | nix | meen je :) |
| 14:09.12 | goron | nix: ja |
| 14:09.12 | jharrisonwk | goron: what was the solution? |
| 14:09.22 | p3rti | example. with my capture card. i block all the modules that load the card on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and i reboot. and still the same. the driver its loaded automat... |
| 14:09.31 | p3rti | i have big problems with udev. now i have the last version and if i want to block a modules from loading on the startup i put on blacklist and it doesnt make anything! |
| 14:09.35 | goron | You tell me you are all the super duper 1337 geniusses. |
| 14:09.45 | jharrisonwk | goron: ok nevermind then |
| 14:09.49 | nixie | p3rti: find /etc -name blacklist* |
| 14:09.52 | jharrisonwk | goron: far to busy to waste the time |
| 14:09.57 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 14:10.16 | jharrisonwk | goron: and im not reading through all the chat traffic I missed |
| 14:10.35 | nixie | goron: wees blij. |
| 14:10.43 | goron | nixie: Ben ik ook :) |
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| 14:11.16 | goron | nixie: Alleen het is belachelijk dat het zo lang geduurd heeft. |
| 14:11.27 | nixie | goron: shit happens :) |
| 14:11.59 | jharrisonwk | nixie: isnt that a shirt? |
| 14:12.14 | nixie | bumper stickers too |
| 14:12.26 | goron | jharrisonwk: The problem was in the /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx script. |
| 14:12.47 | goron | jharrisonwk: Exactly like nobody believed. |
| 14:12.58 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 14:14.34 | nixie | goron: t werkt. wat wil je nog meer? |
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| 14:14.46 | jharrisonwk | goron: should have been using source |
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| 14:14.53 | goron | nixie: niets, ik ben klaar. |
| 14:14.56 | jharrisonwk | nixie: yeah bumpers stickers too |
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| 14:15.07 | jharrisonwk | nixie: what language is that? |
| 14:15.22 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: bastardized mix of german and english aka dutch |
| 14:15.27 | Shadowcat | !english |
| 14:15.27 | dpkg | i guess english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
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| 14:15.33 | Shadowcat | !dutch |
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| 14:15.33 | dpkg | hmm... dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 14:15.42 | Eclipser | how can I change the times cron stuffs are ran? my computer is hardly ever on when the default times are :) |
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| 14:15.48 | tijn | jharrisonwk, its german |
| 14:15.54 | jm_ | Eclipser: use anacron? |
| 14:16.18 | cahoot | Eclipser: isn't in /etc/crontab? |
| 14:16.23 | antgel | Eclipser: by reading the documentation for cron? |
| 14:16.25 | js_ | tijn: no, its dutch |
| 14:16.27 | jm_ | Eclipser: or change to @reboot etc. |
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| 14:16.35 | antgel | !tell Eclipser about usd |
| 14:16.41 | jharrisonwk | jm_: :) |
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| 14:16.51 | fireba11 | dang .. i should have known that it's no good idea to edit routes via remote .. did mess up and can't connect anymore ^^ |
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| 14:16.51 | jharrisonwk | jm_: I speak the english and the island talk and thats it |
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| 14:17.15 | Uranus | hi |
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| 14:17.18 | xshell | can someone help me to setup 5.1 surround sound? |
| 14:17.19 | tijn | well, its a part of germany right? so its german dialect |
| 14:17.26 | Eclipser | hmm, anacron seems to autoconfigure itself to do the stuff cron has configured... |
| 14:17.27 | jharrisonwk | ok enough fun with you fellows today |
| 14:17.32 | nixie | tijn! |
| 14:17.33 | Uranus | can anyone tell me what package contains acrobat reader? |
| 14:17.34 | jharrisonwk | now I have to do the work |
| 14:17.36 | xshell | german would be kewl |
| 14:17.43 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: kpdf? |
| 14:17.46 | Uranus | I'm used to acroread but that one doesn't seem to exist |
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| 14:18.00 | Uranus | I mean adobe acrobat reader for linux |
| 14:18.16 | fireba11 | Uranus: obvioulsy there won't be a package for that |
| 14:18.19 | antgel | Uranus: it's not free. it's in marillat |
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| 14:18.24 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: you really think there is an acrobat reader package in DEBIAN? |
| 14:18.32 | stdoubt | Uranus: tried xpdf ? it's pretty good imo |
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| 14:18.40 | Uranus | well I thought there would be one in non-free... |
| 14:18.47 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: yeah xpdf is nice too |
| 14:18.49 | tijn | nixie whats wrong? |
| 14:18.51 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: its fast as well |
| 14:18.56 | Uranus | I need to extract text from complicate tables and such |
| 14:19.05 | Uranus | but I'll see if xpdf can do the job |
| 14:19.05 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: well you need to go read about what non-free is for |
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| 14:19.10 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: and contrib as well |
| 14:19.11 | Uranus | ok sorry |
| 14:19.14 | jharrisonwk | Uranus: and main for that matter |
| 14:19.38 | freakynl | ? que, adobe acrobat READER can be downloaded freely, it's just not GPL |
| 14:19.55 | antgel | freakynl: it's not FLOSS |
| 14:20.03 | nixie | tijn: dutch is no german dialect, mafkees |
| 14:20.27 | freakynl | i have it running (not that you want that. it consumes about 150M memory....) |
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| 14:20.44 | DimmuR | Hi. I was restoring from backup my / partition but /var partition was untouched. Now almost everything works great but... apt-get thinks thatt i have installed packages that i dont have... How to "tell" apt-get what packages are really installed? |
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| 14:21.14 | freakynl | tijn: netherlands definitely isn't part of germany... neither is dutch belgium |
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| 14:21.27 | antgel | DimmuR: restore /var |
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| 14:21.52 | DimmuR | antgel: that's the point i cannot restore it (my fault) :| |
| 14:22.08 | jm_ | DimmuR: dpkg keeps that info in its status file - read about restoring Debian system when /var was lost |
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| 14:23.36 | Eclipser | jm_, thanks, anacron is great |
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| 14:24.58 | misieq | how do i set up bootsplash? |
| 14:25.30 | dimir | bootsplash.org! |
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| 14:25.44 | antgel | misieq: no. the real question is "why do i always ask the channel before i read the manual?" |
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| 14:26.06 | DimmuR | jm_: thanks for advice it seems that in /var/backups there are older dpkg status files |
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| 14:26.26 | jm_ | DimmuR: I thought you don't have /var |
| 14:26.49 | dimir | dim-team! |
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| 14:27.09 | tijn | nixie, dont call me mafkees! |
| 14:27.10 | jm_ | ohh I see the problem, you reverted to some backup from the past and the rest doesn't fit, yeah /var/backups has it |
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| 14:27.20 | freakynl | tijn: haha it took you a while to look that up |
| 14:27.32 | antgel | !engrish |
| 14:27.32 | dpkg | i heard engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 14:27.35 | tijn | tuulk niet man, ik ben zo nederlands als de hel :) |
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| 14:27.42 | tijn | :P |
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| 14:27.48 | trueno | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.49 | tijn | sry for the dutch |
| 14:27.55 | tarzeau | is someone working on this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177605 |
| 14:27.58 | nixie | tijn: i call everyone a mafkees who claims dutch is a german dialect |
| 14:27.58 | antgel | !tell tijn about sry |
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| 14:28.12 | DimmuR | jm_: i have updated system, and i found too many problems so i restored my / and forgot to make backup of /var before updating. So i had /var but after upgrade |
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| 14:28.21 | jm_ | DimmuR: right |
| 14:28.22 | tijn | nixie :) iam dutch |
| 14:28.30 | nixie | tijn: my point. |
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| 14:28.42 | tijn | and it is a german language btw |
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| 14:28.56 | hent | germanic* |
| 14:28.59 | antgel | tarzeau: you're a zope man! we're getting into plone/zope here right now. it's a brave new world |
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| 14:29.15 | misieq | antgel: i've added "deb http://debian.bootsplash.de unstable main" to sources.list, downloaded bootsplash and synaptic says it has installed correctly, but i can't see any graphics in console mode/during boot-up |
| 14:29.18 | tarzeau | antgel: i'm not a zope man. but www.ethz.ch uses silva... and we need it.. |
| 14:29.40 | Deek | tijn: Germanic. |
| 14:29.46 | tijn | yes |
| 14:29.47 | hent | misieq, you have console frame buffer in your kernel? |
| 14:29.52 | antgel | misieq: that will be because you failed (again) to read the manual |
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| 14:31.14 | Deek | Dutch is related to low-german, though. |
| 14:31.32 | Nostur | him i have Intel extreme 2 graphics, and i didnt figured out, what X driver i should install for it, anyone can help? |
| 14:31.33 | hent | English = germanic to ;) |
| 14:31.36 | Nostur | *hi |
| 14:31.55 | Deek | Of course, so are English and Ghaedlig. |
| 14:32.08 | hent | Ghaedlig? :O |
| 14:32.17 | marras | Hi! I use debian etch and k3b isn't in the testing repositories, how can I copy a cd? Is there some other graphic application to copy one?? |
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| 14:32.22 | Deek | AKA Gaelic |
| 14:32.22 | tarzeau | antgel: if zope runs on my gnu/kfreebsd, i guess i'll give it a try (packaging) |
| 14:32.35 | tarzeau | marras: use readcd |
| 14:32.36 | hent | aah rings a bell :P |
| 14:32.45 | tarzeau | marras: the graphic application is called xterm |
| 14:32.53 | antgel | tarzeau: i have a backport of zope2.8 for sarge i386 |
| 14:33.04 | tarzeau | antgel: does it need zope2.8? |
| 14:33.08 | antgel | tarzeau: linux :P |
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| 14:33.16 | tarzeau | antgel: it needs linux? |
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| 14:33.42 | antgel | tarzeau: not in that sense. however i assume that my backport won't work with bsd |
| 14:33.54 | tarzeau | antgel: how hard was the backport? |
| 14:33.56 | hent | wish i could try gnu/kfreebsd.. still got to much to learn about gnu/linux tho :P |
| 14:34.07 | tarzeau | hent: just try it, it's easy |
| 14:34.13 | antgel | tarzeau: just saying as zope2.8 enables use of plone 2.1 over 2.0, which has lots of great new features |
| 14:34.32 | antgel | tarzeau: not hard. python2.4 and some other bits. just long-winded |
| 14:34.49 | hent | tarzeau, i tried freeBSD once, and it kinda scared me :P ran back to debian gnu/linux with my tail between my legs |
| 14:34.58 | tarzeau | antgel: but sarge does have python2.4 |
| 14:35.13 | tarzeau | hent: debian gnu/kfreebsd is just like debian gnu/linux |
| 14:35.31 | tarzeau | hent: for the user |
| 14:35.34 | hent | i suppose in gnu land :) but still compiling kernel and things :S |
| 14:35.35 | antgel | tarzeau: indeed. it was some module or other. i'm not a python expert |
| 14:35.52 | marras | isn't there some application that isn't in command line? sorry for my english :p |
| 14:35.57 | hent | tarzeau, i might try it some time soon tho :) thanks for boosting my confidence :D |
| 14:36.20 | tarzeau | marras: if you just don't know the commands for the commandline i can help you on that |
| 14:36.35 | tarzeau | hent: great :) don't miss the /topic in #gnu-kbsd |
| 14:36.43 | hent | omw :) |
| 14:36.56 | marras | yeah, I know, the question is if there is something like k3b or something.. |
| 14:37.12 | antgel | marras: cdrecord |
| 14:37.19 | tarzeau | antgel: no he wants something graphical |
| 14:37.28 | tarzeau | marras: xcdroast |
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| 14:37.46 | |Nostur| | hi i have Intel extreme 2 graphics, and i didnt figured out, what X driver i should install for it, anyone can help? |
| 14:37.46 | dpkg | Many greetings, i have Intel extreme 2 graphics, and i didnt figured out, what X driver i should install for it, anyone can help, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 14:37.48 | tarzeau | there's also eclipt roaster, and probably a few more |
| 14:37.57 | antgel | tarzeau: it's got characters. how much more graphical can it get? :P |
| 14:38.02 | tarzeau | Nostur: what says lspci for it? |
| 14:38.07 | azeem | nautilus-cd-burner for GNOME, e.g. |
| 14:38.18 | tarzeau | antgel: with mouse and colors and paperclips |
| 14:38.36 | |Nostur| | tarzeau: iam just installing it, on the installation pc i see configurin xserver xfree86 :) |
| 14:38.36 | hent | paperclips?? aaah the horror |
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| 14:38.42 | marras | ok thanks I'll try right now!!! |
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| 14:38.55 | tarzeau | Nostur: alt-f2, enter, cat /proc/pci |
| 14:39.06 | Deek | man, it's irritating how it's possible to lose ace-minesweeper on the first move. |
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| 14:39.25 | tarzeau | Deek: tried mines.app yet? |
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| 14:39.47 | pigor | hello - how can i find out my DNS-Server ? |
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| 14:39.58 | azeem | pigor: it's noted in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:40.05 | |Nostur| | tarzeau: it needs login, but i cant remember i was creating any acc, and enter not wrking |
| 14:40.15 | Deek | tarzeau: can you lose on the first move? |
| 14:40.16 | tarzeau | Deek: it's also got the same problem (it's possible to hit a mine on the first move) |
| 14:40.17 | |Nostur| | nice, iam in |
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| 14:40.42 | azeem | Deek: I think gnome-mines or what's it called doesn't have this bug |
| 14:40.42 | pigor | azeem: is it the note after "nameserver" ? |
| 14:40.50 | azeem | pigor: yes |
| 14:41.02 | pigor | azeem: thank you, bye |
| 14:41.08 | |Nostur| | tarzeau: i cant see anything related to graphics, only firewire, ethernet, wifi |
| 14:41.36 | azeem | Deek: yep |
| 14:41.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: are you playing games again? |
| 14:41.53 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: did i ever not ? |
| 14:42.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: bubnbros, nethack and mazeofgalious |
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| 14:42.29 | tarzeau | azeem, Deek why do you consider it a bug? |
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| 14:42.39 | misieq | antgel: so i should download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update my boot manager and reboot? |
| 14:42.56 | |Nostur| | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:43.03 | azeem | tarzeau: why do you consider it alright? |
| 14:43.19 | tarzeau | azeem: all minefields are equal. a bomb can be anywhere |
| 14:43.41 | Deek | tarzeau: game |
| 14:43.42 | misieq | antgel: oh, and of course be sure to enable framebuffer and disable "bootup logo" |
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| 14:44.14 | misieq | antgel: that's all i should do? |
| 14:44.16 | Deek | tarzeau: Specifically, it's a _logic_ game. |
| 14:44.21 | |Nostur| | tarzeau: ok, i grep ed it, Intel corp: 82852/855GM |
| 14:44.49 | tarzeau | Nostur: try google and x video driver and that string |
| 14:45.01 | |Nostur| | thx |
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| 14:45.12 | tarzeau | Deek: then the game would be irrelevant since you can always win it |
| 14:45.26 | tarzeau | s,irrelevant,boring, |
| 14:45.29 | Deek | tarzeau: eh? |
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| 14:46.39 | Deek | tarzeau: If it's just dumb luck whether or not you can actually play that game, it's not more fun -- it's just irritating. |
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| 14:48.59 | |Nostur| | Eh, i cant find, how i can get video card's bus identifier, should i leave it as it is, ie. no name? |
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| 14:49.40 | cheal | |Nostur|: if the instructions say you can, yes |
| 14:49.58 | EdibleText | Nostur, via lspci. but you usually only need to know that for 'special' setups |
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| 14:50.46 | |Nostur| | EdibleText: iam installing it normal way, it just asked me for it, can u tell me, what cmd i dhould use with lspci ? |
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| 14:50.55 | |Nostur| | oh |
| 14:51.12 | |Nostur| | damn, i enterd lspci and i got a load of text... |
| 14:51.13 | Deek | tarzeau: And no, you can't always win purely through logic. |
| 14:51.35 | tarzeau | Deek: agreed |
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| 14:51.52 | Deek | |Nostur|: lspci -X |
| 14:52.08 | botsy | for allow graphical ssh under a bridge i need xlibs and what please ? |
| 14:52.12 | Deek | the stuff on the left is X-style bus IDs. |
| 14:52.15 | |Nostur| | eh,how should the name look? |
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| 14:52.34 | |Nostur| | like PCI:0:31:3 ? |
| 14:52.35 | Deek | PCI:1:0:0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV |
| 14:52.47 | |Nostur| | thats the name? |
| 14:52.48 | azeem | |Nostur|: anyway, it is usually fine to skip that input, AIUI |
| 14:52.50 | Deek | no. |
| 14:53.04 | Deek | The name will be different for you. |
| 14:53.11 | Deek | But it will probably be 1:0:0 |
| 14:53.14 | |Nostur| | the PCI:0:31:3 is? i know it will be differnet |
| 14:53.15 | Bob332 | does anyone know how i can get my shell to display normal chars again, i just did a cat command on a binary file and my shell is all garbeled up |
| 14:53.18 | |Nostur| | *different |
| 14:53.25 | tarzeau | Bob332: reset |
| 14:53.25 | abrotman | logout/login |
| 14:53.28 | Deek | (if it's AGP) |
| 14:53.31 | Bob332 | tarzeau, thanks |
| 14:53.40 | azeem | Bob332: (the command, not the switch on your case) |
| 14:53.53 | EdibleText | Bob332, tput reset |
| 14:54.05 | Bob332 | anyone know how i can get to the menu in KDE using only keyboard, my mouse died |
| 14:54.14 | Bob332 | azeem, thanks haha |
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| 14:54.42 | petemc | Bob332: the windows button, or try ctl and esc |
| 14:54.49 | |Nostur| | Deek: i have there: PCI:0:31:3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus controller ? the name should be what |
| 14:54.55 | misieq | if i want to install bootsplash then i all i have to do is to download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or something more? |
| 14:55.01 | Deek | |Nostur|: definitely not it. |
| 14:55.16 | |Nostur| | Deek: not whole it, but a part of it, no? |
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| 14:55.29 | EdibleText | |Nostur|, lspci -X |grep VGA |
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| 14:55.40 | Deek | |Nostur|: look for "VGA compatible" |
| 14:55.52 | |Nostur| | PCI:0:2:0 |
| 14:55.57 | |Nostur| | thats it, nope? |
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| 14:56.20 | Tenkawa | oh that figures |
| 14:56.26 | Tenkawa | I'm going to be oupt of town when it gets here |
| 14:56.34 | Tenkawa | fortunately I should be back that night |
| 14:56.41 | EdibleText | |Nostur|, this is rather pointless as you dont really need the bus identifier, and if you did you probably would have to ask ;) |
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| 14:56.50 | EdibleText | wouldnt* |
| 14:56.50 | |Nostur| | lofl :D |
| 14:57.08 | Tenkawa | Anyone running a AMD X2 and can give me a idea of how big of a Power Supply I should throw on it? |
| 14:57.33 | EdibleText | this big |
| 14:57.36 | Tenkawa | ROFL |
| 14:57.49 | Tenkawa | you think 400-450 watt should be enough? |
| 14:57.57 | puff | Good morning... I'm porting my old machine over to a new machine. |
| 14:58.40 | puff | Plugged the old drive into the new machine, copied old:/home new:/home, merged regular user entries from /etc/passwd and /etc/group in. |
| 14:58.41 | EdibleText | Tenkawa, yeah you could probably run the George Forman USB iGrill with that |
| 14:58.48 | Tenkawa | ROFL |
| 14:58.53 | puff | Are there any tips on easier/better ways to proceed from here? |
| 14:59.26 | Tenkawa | puff: unless you need applications and such just make sure you look in /opt and /var/mail (if you keep local mail spools) |
| 14:59.36 | Tenkawa | might want to give /usr/local a glanmce too |
| 14:59.44 | puff | I.e. I'm guessing I'm going to have to check my apt list of installed packages on the old machine, and use apt to install and configure each one, then maybe look at old:/etc and see if I can just copy data and configs over... |
| 15:00.03 | Tenkawa | you can run a set of commands to create a list of pacjages to install |
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| 15:00.21 | puff | Tenkawa: I use ~user/Maildir for mail spools... which I was just a couple weeks ago thinking about switching to using Courier IMAP store, but this is a case-in-point as to why ~user/Maildir is good :-). |
| 15:00.28 | petemc | puff: dpkg --get-selections |
| 15:00.30 | Tenkawa | it creates the list you load that list in and apt-get/dpkg it to clone the same package list |
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| 15:00.42 | puff | Cool. |
| 15:00.59 | puff | I should journal this process and publish it somewhere... would make a good tutorial, maybe. |
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| 15:01.19 | Tenkawa | theres like a 3 step clone procedure using what petemc said |
| 15:01.25 | Tenkawa | I cant remember where I read it though |
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| 15:01.32 | Tenkawa | I've used it a few times in the past successfully |
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| 15:01.50 | EdibleText | puff mount the new disk somewhere , /tmp/target perhaps; then rsync -DragtopvH --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/tmp/target / /tmp/target; install an mbr make some minor edits etc |
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| 15:02.35 | Tenkawa | EdibleText: thats if he wants to COPY the whole system |
| 15:02.36 | EdibleText | Tenkawa, true. perhaps i misundersttod |
| 15:02.36 | Tenkawa | me personally I usually dont |
| 15:02.39 | Tenkawa | only the underlying package structure |
| 15:02.49 | jeffrin | anyone knows to use dvdrip |
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| 15:02.54 | Tenkawa | but what EdibleText said does work too |
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| 15:03.07 | Tenkawa | hell even a cp mirror from mount to mount works |
| 15:03.17 | Tenkawa | chroot to the copy and redo the mbr |
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| 15:03.23 | Tenkawa | switch the drive and tada |
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| 15:03.46 | Tenkawa | the one thing to keep in mind is do not do anything to the old drive until you are sure its ok of course |
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| 15:04.17 | Tenkawa | so you dont have to potentialy screw up your current mbr if you oops\ |
| 15:04.19 | EdibleText | Tenkawa, mount with -o remount,ro its needed for latenight fatigue seesions |
| 15:04.23 | EdibleText | ;) |
| 15:04.26 | Tenkawa | haahaaa |
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| 15:05.03 | Tenkawa | puff: bottom line.. theres like 100 different ways to do this so it can definitely be done |
| 15:05.16 | Tenkawa | with no noticeable side effects |
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| 15:06.12 | Tenkawa | heh I gt a free copy of nero ultra 7 with my mb and cpu |
| 15:06.13 | Tenkawa | heheh |
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| 15:06.46 | hent | I'm reading about "dpkg-statoverride" and I just dont get why you would change permissions this way, if they are just going to changed as if you use any other way to change them. Im guessing i missed a point here? |
| 15:07.00 | Tenkawa | hent: because they are tracked and accounted for |
| 15:07.15 | Tenkawa | insteaed of them not matching when you do it manually |
| 15:07.19 | Tenkawa | that would be my logic |
| 15:07.24 | Tenkawa | dont quote me though |
| 15:07.29 | hent | aah ok, that would make sense yes |
| 15:07.33 | hent | so if you reinstall something |
| 15:07.37 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 15:07.39 | hent | would remain the same |
| 15:07.40 | hent | thanks |
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| 15:08.09 | Tenkawa | np |
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| 15:11.24 | puff | Tenkawa, EdibleText: Yeah, I have the old drive plugged into the new system as a secondary drive... all new hardware, so I can't just clone the driver over. |
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| 15:11.37 | javaJake | Hello |
| 15:11.43 | javaJake | I am having printer issues |
| 15:11.43 | puff | Sorry for the delay, I was writing up notes on what I've done so far, so I'll have something to refer to later :-). |
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| 15:12.02 | javaJake | Is anyone here know about how to reset Samba passwords? |
| 15:12.08 | javaJake | Is there anyone here* |
| 15:12.28 | EdibleText | sudo smbpasswd <user> |
| 15:12.46 | javaJake | I did smbpasswd -n <USER> |
| 15:12.55 | javaJake | This should remove the password right? |
| 15:13.06 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.24 | Tenkawa | puff: ahh |
| 15:13.24 | javaJake | Right |
| 15:13.24 | javaJake | So... |
| 15:13.32 | javaJake | Why does this ask for a password: |
| 15:13.38 | Tenkawa | puff: smart idea on the notes btw |
| 15:13.40 | FliesLikeABrick | in /etc/hosts, how do i set a hostname for an interface/IP which is dhcp-assigned? |
| 15:13.43 | EdibleText | javaJake, hit enter |
| 15:13.46 | Tenkawa | I should do that more often too |
| 15:13.55 | javaJake | Jacob@3[~]$ lpadmin -p KonicaPrinter -v smb://LYNNE/KONICA -P /root/konica.ppd |
| 15:14.11 | javaJake | It asks for a password |
| 15:14.13 | Tenkawa | FliesLikeABrick: I think you actually need to set that up in the dhcp client config |
| 15:14.21 | FliesLikeABrick | k |
| 15:14.22 | Tenkawa | dependingon which dhcp client you are using |
| 15:14.26 | javaJake | Basically, I am trying to mount a printer onto my computer. |
| 15:14.31 | javaJake | Or... |
| 15:14.37 | Tenkawa | it shoud take care of that in theory |
| 15:14.38 | EdibleText | does Jacob have an account on //LYNNE |
| 15:14.40 | javaJake | Networked Printer on Windows. |
| 15:14.44 | javaJake | No |
| 15:14.50 | javaJake | I do not |
| 15:14.56 | javaJake | Actually, it's a Windows computer |
| 15:14.58 | javaJake | :P |
| 15:15.04 | EdibleText | javaJake, so |
| 15:15.17 | Tenkawa | you need to spcify a username then that exists on the remote server |
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| 15:15.31 | javaJake | But it says this: |
| 15:15.32 | javaJake | Password for Jacob on locahost: |
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| 15:16.12 | javaJake | So there shouldn't be a need for a password... |
| 15:16.17 | javaJake | There isn't one on my computer |
| 15:16.19 | javaJake | None on the Windows |
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| 15:16.24 | javaJake | It's really bugging me |
| 15:16.50 | tarzeau | javaJake: and just hitting enter? |
| 15:16.51 | Tenkawa | so all you want to do is connect to the printer |
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| 15:16.58 | javaJake | lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-authorized |
| 15:17.06 | javaJake | Right |
| 15:17.12 | javaJake | So that I can print using OpenOffice |
| 15:17.20 | Tenkawa | ahh you using cups |
| 15:17.24 | javaJake | Yep |
| 15:17.28 | Tenkawa | hmm.. it usually works fine for me |
| 15:17.35 | EdibleText | connect to LYNNE as a user on LYNNE thisd gcould even be guest depending on how LYNNE is setup |
| 15:17.47 | Tenkawa | you tried using the cups web admin? |
| 15:17.56 | javaJake | No. |
| 15:17.57 | Tenkawa | or a cups gui at all |
| 15:18.08 | javaJake | Didn't know either one existed. |
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| 15:18.12 | Tenkawa | it might be more flexible and give you better output |
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| 15:18.22 | javaJake | How do I run it? |
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| 15:18.55 | Tenkawa | good q.. that I dont remember |
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| 15:18.58 | Tenkawa | heheh.. just a sec |
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| 15:19.39 | javaJake | OK |
| 15:19.40 | javaJake | :P |
| 15:19.46 | Tenkawa | gnome-cups-manager |
| 15:19.54 | Tenkawa | is one package you can use |
| 15:20.05 | javaJake | I am using KDE |
| 15:20.07 | javaJake | :( |
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| 15:20.21 | Tenkawa | bummer |
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| 15:20.35 | javaJake | Yea |
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| 15:20.52 | javaJake | Thanks. |
| 15:20.53 | Tenkawa | kdeprint? |
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| 15:21.21 | javaJake | AHA! |
| 15:21.22 | javaJake | Thanks |
| 15:21.29 | freakynl | https://localhost:631 |
| 15:21.35 | javaJake | Actually, I looked into my KDE Menu, and I found a wizard |
| 15:21.37 | Tenkawa | np |
| 15:21.38 | freakynl | err minus the s |
| 15:21.44 | javaJake | Sometimes I use the shell too much |
| 15:21.45 | javaJake | :) |
| 15:21.50 | Tenkawa | javaJake: same here |
| 15:21.58 | Tenkawa | some days though the gui's do have their usefulness |
| 15:22.04 | Tenkawa | "some" days |
| 15:22.22 | javaJake | NT_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 15:22.23 | javaJake | Darn |
| 15:22.32 | javaJake | I thought there wasn't any password... |
| 15:22.35 | javaJake | Humph |
| 15:22.39 | Tenkawa | sounds like there is |
| 15:22.50 | Tenkawa | I bet it is requiring you to auth to even see resources |
| 15:22.51 | javaJake | NVM |
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| 15:22.56 | Tenkawa | whta revision of windows? |
| 15:22.58 | Tenkawa | oh ok |
| 15:23.00 | javaJake | I chose "Guest" instead of "No Login". |
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| 15:23.02 | javaJake | :P |
| 15:23.04 | Tenkawa | ahhhh |
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| 15:23.31 | javaJake | Yes |
| 15:23.32 | javaJake | Yes |
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| 15:23.53 | Tenkawa | works? |
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| 15:23.57 | honschu | Is there a docu about the pins on the motherboard which go by flat ribbon-cable to rs232-serial-connector? |
| 15:24.00 | javaJake | Even the driver is there!!!! |
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| 15:24.06 | Tenkawa | javaJake: cool :) |
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| 15:24.18 | FliesLikeABrick | honschu google for something like "serial port header pinout" |
| 15:24.20 | Tenkawa | honschu: you should be able to find that on google |
| 15:24.41 | javaJake | Hmmm |
| 15:24.51 | javaJake | I suppose the wizard must run uner root |
| 15:25.15 | Tenkawa | probably |
| 15:25.21 | Tenkawa | or at least have root perms |
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| 15:25.26 | Tenkawa | to make system file updates |
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| 15:25.53 | javaJake | Rigt |
| 15:26.17 | skel | whats the best way to securley tunnel xdcmp? I don't want to use Xnest, I'd like to use my eight virtual console |
| 15:26.22 | Shadur | skel: ssh |
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| 15:27.11 | skel | Shadur: ty, but since ssh doesn't tunnel udp, how would I use ssh since I don't want to use Xnest? |
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| 15:28.47 | blondie | hmm |
| 15:28.49 | blondie | different skel |
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| 15:29.06 | Tenkawa | Shadur: your nick sounds awfully familiar |
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| 15:29.51 | skel | ? |
| 15:29.59 | azeem | Tenkawa: try typing Shadur into db.debian.org's nickname search |
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| 15:30.07 | Tenkawa | Shadur: can I msg you ? |
| 15:30.12 | deeler | i got 3 networkcards... they where detected during install ... how can i change eth0 to eth1 for the same adapter ? |
| 15:30.23 | skel | blondie: do you have any advice for me? |
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| 15:30.53 | skel | deeler: alias in the modules.conf |
| 15:31.13 | blondie | skel: no, I just thought you were someone else o.o |
| 15:31.20 | skel | blondie: ah ok =] |
| 15:31.31 | skel | I used to be someone else.. so it could be me |
| 15:31.33 | deeler | i can't find the aliases for modules in /etc/modules.conf skel |
| 15:31.34 | skel | =] |
| 15:31.42 | blondie | skel: you'd know if it was |
| 15:31.50 | skel | okie =D |
| 15:32.11 | Tenkawa | new 2.6 kernels support dual core AMDE's as dual cpu's right? |
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| 15:32.26 | deeler | skel, there are many aliases there , but none adapter related ... |
| 15:32.29 | blondie | 15:32:23 < skel> beat em up! |
| 15:32.41 | CSS-Jon | i'm getting an error when i try to start debian: fsck.ext3: attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda2 |
| 15:32.53 | CSS-Jon | I just ran an fsck and rebooted but it didn't do anything |
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| 15:33.05 | skel | deeler: one may not be in there now.. but I'm pretty sure you can alias modules to interfaces to get them corrected |
| 15:33.20 | skel | blondie: hm. you're right. I'm a pacifist. |
| 15:33.35 | blondie | i think he is too :p |
| 15:33.43 | stew | deeler: look at ifrename |
| 15:33.45 | deeler | skel .... okay, but how does debian enumerates them then ? does'nt seem random cause it's always the same |
| 15:33.55 | shogunx | CSS-Jon sounds like a hard disk about to fail. are there other errors? |
| 15:34.04 | stew | deeler: they show up in the order the drivers are loaded |
| 15:34.14 | CSS-Jon | It's also giving me errors about not being able to create /var/log/ksysmoops/20051205.log read-only file system |
| 15:34.15 | javaJake | Where are the CUPS error logs? |
| 15:34.27 | CSS-Jon | also said can't locate module psmouse |
| 15:34.50 | deeler | okay .... got that.... ifrename tells me /etc/iftab doesn't exist |
| 15:35.20 | deeler | sorry:) |
| 15:35.26 | deeler | did a man ifrename now :) |
| 15:35.42 | CSS-Jon | i can control-D and it goes all the way to starting sytem log daemon: syslogdchmod: chaning permissions of '/dev/xconsole': REad-only file system |
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| 15:35.49 | CSS-Jon | and locks up there |
| 15:35.57 | stew | deeler: /usr/share/doc/ifrename |
| 15:36.16 | shogunx | nothing like a DMA error or ide controller reset? |
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| 15:36.31 | puff | Tenkawa: Ah, found my old notes from the last time I rebuilt the machine. |
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| 15:37.04 | idefix | how do you change keyboards in linux? |
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| 15:37.15 | Tenkawa | puff: nice |
| 15:37.21 | Tenkawa | idefix: define change? |
| 15:37.24 | CSS-Jon | shogunx, after that error it also tells me "Fsck failed. Please repair manually." but the error comes from our second hard drive, which we originally had in when we were using redhat |
| 15:37.25 | stew | idefix: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 15:37.29 | Tenkawa | keymap? |
| 15:37.35 | Tenkawa | if yes what stew said |
| 15:37.36 | CSS-Jon | but I formatted the master drive and put debian on it |
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| 15:38.42 | dusk_ | ? |
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| 15:39.11 | shogunx | try fsck -v / manually, then mount -n -o remount,rw / |
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| 15:39.53 | CSS-Jon | says / was clean |
| 15:40.03 | CSS-Jon | no output from mount |
| 15:40.13 | shogunx | is it the / filesystem that is at issue, or another? |
| 15:40.16 | Tenkawa | then it mounted |
| 15:40.21 | CSS-Jon | ./dev/hda2 |
| 15:40.56 | CSS-Jon | if i use that instead of / it gives me the same error about attempting to read block from filesystem |
| 15:40.58 | shogunx | try the strings about subbing /dev/hda2 for / |
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| 15:41.40 | OpenSores | I have Debian installed on my slave drive, and grub is on my master drive. I want to take my master drive out and change my slave to master. Will Debian be able to boot if I do this? |
| 15:41.42 | CSS-Jon | when i try the mount on hda2 it says mount: /css/shares not mounted already, or bad option |
| 15:41.44 | shogunx | ahh... are you sure its a ext2 filesystem and not ext2 reiser, etc? |
| 15:42.08 | CSS-Jon | the error comes back as "fsck.ext3" |
| 15:42.25 | CSS-Jon | i'm not really sure about the file system though |
| 15:42.44 | shogunx | try e2fsck instead of fsck. you can check what it should be by examining /etc/fstab |
| 15:43.25 | EdibleText | Eulex, ascii starwars movie? |
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| 15:43.48 | CSS-Jon | e2fsck /dev/hda2 gives me same error |
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| 15:44.01 | CSS-Jon | it also says "Could this be a zero-length partition?" |
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| 15:44.25 | abrotman | OpenSores: depends how you cable it .. |
| 15:44.32 | sobersabre | hi |
| 15:44.37 | EdibleText | CSS-Jon, you may want to back up stuff |
| 15:44.52 | sobersabre | is there a skype+debian-testing document over google somewhere ? |
| 15:44.55 | OpenSores | abrotman, I just want to unplug my master, change slave to master... |
| 15:44.57 | sobersabre | I've not found one.. |
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| 15:45.11 | OpenSores | But, since grub is on the master hard drive which I'm removing will this cause a problem? |
| 15:45.11 | CSS-Jon | is there no way around this problem though? |
| 15:45.18 | abrotman | OpenSores: then you'll have to install grub to the slave .. and then change the config .. |
| 15:45.18 | shogunx | ouch. you could cfdisk /dev/hda and check your partition table, but don't change anything in it. |
| 15:45.39 | OpenSores | it seems like grub is already on the slave... |
| 15:45.42 | CSS-Jon | ok theres an hda1 and an hda5 |
| 15:45.48 | EdibleText | CSS-Jon, sounds like your drive is dying |
| 15:45.49 | Zapelius | Anyone got OSS sound working on Mac Mini? |
| 15:45.53 | CSS-Jon | hda5 is boot and hda5 is a linux swap /solaris |
| 15:45.55 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 15:45.56 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 15:45.58 | shogunx | well, there is the problem then. |
| 15:46.04 | javaJake | Thanks for your help! The printer is working! |
| 15:46.06 | OpenSores | and there is nothing on hd2/boot |
| 15:46.07 | CSS-Jon | hda1 is boot* |
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| 15:46.15 | Eulex | EdibleText, no. I'm running an emulated amd64 on this computer, which connects to /dev/net/tun for internet connectivity. no ports are forwarded to it, so it's just the local computer that can access it. generating an ssh key took too long (I waited 2h before I got tired of it) and would be too slow. Emulating an amd64 in qemu is 160x slower than running native x86 code. |
| 15:46.45 | CSS-Jon | is there anyway i could format the slave drive? |
| 15:46.54 | CSS-Jon | from linux anyway |
| 15:47.03 | shogunx | which would be /dev/hdb? |
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| 15:47.18 | CSS-Jon | should be yeah |
| 15:47.21 | Zapelius | I have all modules loaded fine, but aumix doesn't find any mixers (snd-mixer-oss is ok), mpg321 says 'Cant find a suitable libao driver'. Anyone? |
| 15:47.22 | CSS-Jon | oh |
| 15:47.27 | sobersabre | !skype |
| 15:47.27 | dpkg | i guess skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 15:47.29 | CSS-Jon | so the slave drive isn't the problem then |
| 15:47.50 | shogunx | where is / mounted? |
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| 15:48.37 | CSS-Jon | /dev/hda1 |
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| 15:48.58 | fatal | shogunx: run mount and have a look. |
| 15:49.00 | bizkit | shogunx: type 'mount' |
| 15:49.20 | CSS-Jon | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 |
| 15:49.46 | Zapelius | d'oh! gotta catch my wife's train in 2min :D |
| 15:49.48 | bizkit | CSS-Jon: for you, however it can be different for him |
| 15:49.53 | puff | Hm, is apache 2.1 in apt yet? |
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| 15:50.01 | puff | Maybe I should just upgrade... |
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| 15:50.08 | milestone | hi all |
| 15:50.27 | shogunx | ahhh... do the strings above, fsck -v /dev/hda1 then mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 15:51.06 | RichiH | i need a registry for israeli domains. suggestions? |
| 15:51.23 | milestone | i am trying to install debian on a sun fire x4200 which has an integrated lsisas1064 controller. This controller is supported by fusion mpt 3.02.18 the driver that comes with the lates amd64 installer though is 3.01.20 is there a way to get the new driver into my kernel? |
| 15:51.25 | CSS-Jon | ok i've got it checkin |
| 15:51.35 | milestone | i dont have no other amd64 machine |
| 15:51.54 | shogunx | then, i assume you are still at the shell it dropped you to during the automated fsck, log out of that shell, and it will continue to whatever runlevel is indicated in /etc/inittab |
| 15:52.06 | milestone | are there any devel amd64 installer out there, or boot floppies? |
| 15:52.07 | shogunx | after the checking and remount |
| 15:52.23 | CSS-Jon | so when its done i just 'logout' ? |
| 15:52.43 | bizkit | CSS-Jon: yes, just exit that shell or hit ctrl+d |
| 15:52.50 | CSS-Jon | ah ok |
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| 15:54.41 | EdibleText | Eulex, ah.. emulating amd64 on a 32 ? |
| 15:54.52 | botsy__ | hi allù |
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| 15:56.46 | Eulex | EdibleText, yep |
| 15:56.49 | m4lu7 | Question about debian package installation: I've got an ext3 filessystem mounted on loopback; it's a debian image, with all the utils and goodies associated thereto. I want to install "a package" to that mounted ext3 filesystem image; how might i do this, aside from unpacking to that dir, and manually doing what it's pre/postinst files do? |
| 15:57.17 | bizkit | m4lu7: perhaps using chroot? |
| 15:57.32 | m4lu7 | bizkit cool. that easy, eh? |
| 15:58.00 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 15:58.01 | m4lu7 | i didn't know if there was a "debian" way, perhaps a switch in dpkg i didn't know about |
| 15:58.01 | Eulex | m4lu7, man chroot |
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| 15:58.17 | m4lu7 | Eulex no need, i know chroot (intimately) ;) |
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| 15:58.55 | elephantMan | I can't use 'make xconfig' because missing QT packages. But it doesn't say exactly which packages i have to install. Can someone give me this information ? |
| 15:59.12 | bizkit | m4lu7: if this image is complete, and rw, just chroot into the mountpoint, edit sources.list run apt-get update within that chroot and apt-get whatever you want |
| 15:59.33 | m4lu7 | bizkit already done. Looks like it worked fine. |
| 15:59.43 | slibs | can someone tell how to get that information than just tell the name of those packages |
| 15:59.54 | Eulex | elephantMan, qt dev packages |
| 16:00.03 | bizkit | slibs: whats your problem? |
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| 16:00.24 | slibs | if im missing packages how to check what packages i really need? |
| 16:00.47 | Eulex | !tell slibs about search |
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| 16:01.02 | sdschulze | What's happening to the octave packages!? |
| 16:01.17 | stew | elephantMan: look at the Suggests: for the linux-source package |
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| 16:02.03 | sdschulze | 2.9.4-8 depends on octave2.1 and octave-forge won't install since it depends on octave2.1, too. |
| 16:02.05 | stew | slibs: what makes you think you are missing packages? |
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| 16:02.27 | liran | one of my programs is trying to run an icmp ping and getting error: check_icmp: Failed to obtain ICMP socket: Operation not permitted |
| 16:02.39 | liran | i do not wish to run it as root, is there a way around this? to allow this operation... |
| 16:02.40 | slibs | Eulex: i know that, but for an example if im compiling some software, and then it says that you are missing some foo librares, then if i try to search them i can't found anything like the programm says |
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| 16:03.43 | Eulex | slibs, you should. is it a particular package you're missing? |
| 16:03.49 | stew | slibs: if you know a particular .h file its looking for you can use apt-file |
| 16:03.52 | bizkit | it's just like using google. try it with keywords, just parts of the name.. |
| 16:03.55 | slibs | Eulex: i don't have any example right now |
| 16:03.56 | stew | slibs: what are you compiling? |
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| 16:04.01 | sdschulze | Is upgrading to 2.9 now considered deprecated again? |
| 16:04.12 | stew | slibs: if its something that is packaged by debian you can "apt-get build-dep pkgname" |
| 16:04.23 | alex6z | liran, CAP_NET_RAW? CAP_NET_SOCKET? linux perm required to do that, you need to write a login script that gives you those perms |
| 16:04.32 | stew | sdschulze: what version of debian do you run? |
| 16:04.36 | alex6z | liran, /bin/ping is setuid root |
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| 16:04.55 | sdschulze | stew: sid |
| 16:04.57 | slibs | stew: okay, i'll try to remember that next time! thanks |
| 16:05.02 | stew | sdschulze: did you check the bts? |
| 16:05.14 | slept | does anyone know if the ibm mk-II keyboard is a real model m or one of these rubber things ? |
| 16:06.06 | liran | CAP_NET_RAW? are those values in /etc or /proc that i need to adjust? |
| 16:06.14 | Eulex | EdibleText, I use it check that my programs work on amd64 or 64-bit systems in general. though it takes extremely long time to compile stuff using it. |
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| 16:06.56 | sdschulze | stew: Ah, I see... internal release policy stuff |
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| 16:07.08 | sdschulze | now my second question left... |
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| 16:08.23 | CSS-Jon | ok i got into the GUI, but now mysql is giving me an error on mysql_connect(): client does not support authentication protocol requested by server, consider upgrading mysql client |
| 16:08.33 | sdschulze | I'm just not sure if it's a bug. |
| 16:09.07 | elephantMan | Eulex, sorry but this is not a package name 'qt dev'. I have some stuffs like 'python-qt-dev, libsoqt-dev...etc' |
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| 16:09.26 | elephantMan | I you could be more specific |
| 16:09.44 | bizkit | If you would know what you're searching for? =) |
| 16:09.57 | stew | elephantMan: look at the Suggests: for a linux-source / kernel-source package |
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| 16:10.11 | vincenz_ | How do I unfreeze a screen |
| 16:10.18 | stew | vincenz_: ctrl-q ? |
| 16:10.26 | vincenz_ | nope |
| 16:10.42 | vincenz_ | you switch between screens |
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| 16:10.48 | vincenz_ | and then suddenly one gets completely frozen |
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| 16:10.57 | alberto | hi |
| 16:11.00 | vincenz_ | and I've looked through man screen 1000 times for the key to unfreeze it |
| 16:11.07 | Wanderer | vincenz: you're using it wrong then |
| 16:11.16 | stew | vincenz_: i haven't seen that |
| 16:11.20 | Wanderer | you are probably hitting ctrl-s or ctrl-a, s |
| 16:11.29 | Wanderer | which is old school "scroll pause" |
| 16:11.31 | alberto | alguien habla español?!?!?! |
| 16:11.37 | Wanderer | hit ctrl-q and ctrl-a, q |
| 16:11.41 | alberto | somebody |
| 16:11.45 | alberto | ????? |
| 16:11.45 | stew | !es |
| 16:11.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:11.49 | Wanderer | one of the two should unlock it depending on which you used to lock it |
| 16:11.53 | alberto | ok |
| 16:12.00 | alberto | gacias |
| 16:12.00 | vincenz_ | s |
| 16:12.06 | vincenz_ | a |
| 16:12.11 | vincenz_ | ah |
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| 16:18.18 | bizkit | Wanderer: do you know of a way to disable scoll pause? |
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| 16:19.14 | Wanderer | bizkit: sorry, I don't |
| 16:19.20 | Wanderer | I just hit ctrl-a, q |
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| 16:19.37 | CleeK | hi |
| 16:19.41 | Lilldude10 | hi |
| 16:19.55 | CleeK | someone knows the keyboard sequence to take screenshots during Debian install ? |
| 16:20.06 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:20.13 | abrotman | there are plenty of screenshots of the install |
| 16:20.14 | sdschulze | bizkit: Ctrl+q usually |
| 16:20.40 | sdschulze | resp. pressing scroll lock again if that's the way it was activated |
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| 16:20.55 | bizkit | sdschulze: i'm talking about disabling the scroll pause feature, so it can't even get activated |
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| 16:21.01 | CleeK | hmmm |
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| 16:21.09 | jair | Hello guys how are you doing today? |
| 16:21.24 | bizkit | i had a look in man readline, bash and screen but didn't find somethine useful |
| 16:21.37 | bizkit | s/somethine/something/ |
| 16:21.51 | jair | jelly, hey good morning how are you doing? |
| 16:22.05 | mith | bizkit: stty -ixon |
| 16:22.13 | mith | bizkit: you're talking about ^s right? |
| 16:22.15 | jair | jelly, I have the dirvish running all the backup images with not problem. |
| 16:22.19 | bizkit | mith: yes |
| 16:22.23 | mith | bizkit: stty -ixon |
| 16:22.28 | jair | jelly, thanks to you ;) and Linux |
| 16:22.33 | Laibsch | I am trying to add opera as a browser. "update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/opera " does not work as expected. What is wrong? |
| 16:22.36 | bizkit | mith: thanks |
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| 16:24.23 | bizkit | mith: -ixon is for enable XON/XOFF flow control, wouldn't it be -ixoff? |
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| 16:24.53 | jair | Laibsch, it is not in: apt-cache search opera? |
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| 16:26.00 | chiwa737 | ls |
| 16:26.05 | bizkit | *g* |
| 16:26.18 | test_bruger | hello #debian |
| 16:26.30 | Laibsch | jair: I already have opera installed. I want to add it to the alternatives system so it gets called when I click an URL in Thunderbird for example. |
| 16:26.32 | Knight_Lord | My 16 way opteron is hanging on "Switching to new root" with the new kernel i installed. What's the most likely problem? |
| 16:27.01 | mith | bizkit: it is stty -ixon; |
| 16:27.17 | mith | bizkit: try it. |
| 16:27.30 | mith | bizkit: it would be stty +ixon; to turn it off |
| 16:27.34 | mith | err turn it on |
| 16:27.34 | jair | Laibsch, ohh ok do you use kde? |
| 16:27.51 | bizkit | mith: ok |
| 16:27.53 | jair | because if you use "kde" you can set up that in the kde control center |
| 16:28.06 | jair | jelly, are you sleeping? |
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| 16:31.05 | jair | Laibsch, ?? are you using gnome or kde or xfce fluxbox? |
| 16:31.06 | Laibsch | jair: No I do not use KDE. |
| 16:31.08 | xni | lo guys |
| 16:31.16 | xni | im having shit lots of trouble with debian atm |
| 16:31.23 | Laibsch | I use icewm. |
| 16:31.39 | xni | installed gcc, but everytime i try to compile some C, it says it cant find stdio.h... |
| 16:31.39 | cahoot | Laibsch: simply recreating the symlink in /etc/alternatives doesn't do the trick? |
| 16:31.40 | Laibsch | and the command line. |
| 16:32.09 | Laibsch | cahoot: It was never created. |
| 16:32.17 | azeem | Laibsch: you need to override that mime-type |
| 16:32.21 | stew | xni: install build-essential |
| 16:32.22 | azeem | (I guess) |
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| 16:32.38 | xni | stew: silly question...but er.. how ? :/ |
| 16:32.43 | CSS-Jon | anyone have any idea as to why mysql would start giving me a client about an older client after i had to run an fsck before booting? I haven't changed anything since friday and now it doesn't seem to want to work |
| 16:32.47 | stew | xni: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:32.55 | Laibsch | Guys, I think I just need the correct command line for update-alternatives. That is what it's there for. |
| 16:32.56 | CSS-Jon | I can connect via mysql -p in the shell but my PHP files can't access the db |
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| 16:33.17 | xni | cheers stew, i'll download that and see what happens |
| 16:33.28 | azeem | Laibsch: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ? |
| 16:33.38 | stew | xni: also, you might wanna look over the faq in topic |
| 16:34.01 | ladytootoo | hi everyone, can someone point out to me a good SATA controller (non-raid) that has good debian support? I'm looking at the adaptec controller right now. |
| 16:34.04 | ladytootoo | thanks! |
| 16:34.50 | ladytootoo | i bought a promise card a while back but it was awful..i'm building a software raid use sata drives |
| 16:34.52 | Laibsch | azeem: The problem is that opera is not yet listed. It first has to be "installed". |
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| 16:35.22 | roby | Is sendmail used to receive mail as well as send? |
| 16:35.28 | azeem | Laibsch: did you read the update-alternatives manpage? |
| 16:35.41 | Laibsch | azeem: yes. |
| 16:35.46 | azeem | roby: if you have to ask that, I guess you should not use sendmail |
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| 16:36.17 | stew | roby: do you mean sendmail the binary in /usr/sbin or sendmail the package? |
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| 16:36.57 | azeem | Laibsch: so what command did you issue, and what was the error message? |
| 16:37.05 | roby | stew: the package, i was just looking for a quick answer, the sendmail faq doesn't have a "What is sendmail?" and i was to lazy to look further :) |
| 16:37.20 | azeem | roby: why do you need sendmail? |
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| 16:37.40 | stew | roby: its an "MTA" which means its responsible for the Transfer of mail from one host to another |
| 16:37.45 | CSS-Jon | anyone have any ideas on this on the mysql problem? |
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| 16:38.12 | roby | azeem: stew: I don't need sendmail, just interested in learning about it |
| 16:38.18 | roby | considering it is so popular |
| 16:38.21 | azeem | eh |
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| 16:38.32 | azeem | roby: there is a sendmail book by O'Reilly |
| 16:38.36 | azeem | and others |
| 16:38.52 | stew | roby: these days very few poeple install sendmail unless they have to, postfix / exim / qmail / courier are much more popular (and much easier to deal with) |
| 16:39.04 | dit-nick | hello again #debian (makeing video with istanbul for noobs about irssi) |
| 16:39.19 | azeem | hello dit-nick |
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| 16:39.53 | jez9999 | I'm trying to get a 'Digi PortServer' working on our Ethernet network by resetting it, then connecting it to the network and letting it find its address via RARP. I'm running 'rarpd' on a Linux box in verbose mode but nothing happens when I turn on the port server. Any ideas as to how I can monitor the output of the port server? |
| 16:40.50 | roby | azeem: it seems sendmail is for complex mail environments, maybe i'll forget about it :) |
| 16:40.53 | dit-nick | evening - got to go or my tutorial will get to long ;) |
| 16:40.56 | roby | stew: thanks i'll look into those |
| 16:41.14 | roby | thanks azeem too |
| 16:41.27 | Laibsch | azeem: I posted the command i used already. It was "update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/opera " and gave me a screenful of information on how to use update-alternatives. I guess that indicates the syntax is wrong. But I do not know where. |
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| 16:41.59 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.24 | azeem | hrm |
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| 16:42.47 | azeem | Laibsch: maybe a priority is required? |
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| 16:43.21 | Laibsch | azeem: No, I had tried that. |
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| 16:44.53 | azeem | Laibsch: drop the /usr/bin |
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| 16:45.53 | stew | Laibsch: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox.postinst or something similar to see how they do it |
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| 16:47.15 | jsz | how do I list all connections to my pc, like proxy connections |
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| 16:48.25 | EdibleText | jsz netstat |
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| 16:49.24 | christian_ | hi all |
| 16:49.30 | xni | stew: works now, thanks :) |
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| 16:49.40 | stew | you're welcome |
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| 16:49.43 | christian_ | how can i add my new disk into resources (Gnome) menu? |
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| 16:51.37 | valdyn | christian_: whenever the gnome file selector opens |
| 16:52.13 | tijn | ghe |
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| 16:52.30 | TPC | I found a bug in ls |
| 16:52.35 | TPC | and I can reproduce it |
| 16:52.37 | TPC | what should I do? |
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| 16:52.50 | christian_ | valdyn, i can't understand |
| 16:52.54 | stew | TPC: what is it? |
| 16:53.23 | stew | TPC: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:53.37 | TPC | if I cd to a dir and the mount it by typing "mount ." and then use ls it won't show the files on the disk I mounted |
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| 16:53.47 | stew | TPC: thats not a bug |
| 16:53.48 | TPC | but if I do ls /full/path/name it shows it |
| 16:53.50 | stew | that's by design |
| 16:53.53 | TPC | oh? |
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| 16:54.39 | stew | TPC: yes, just becuase another filesystem was mounted doesn't mean that they should change your pwd |
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| 16:56.12 | jelly | jair: hi, good to see the backup thingy worked out. |
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| 16:56.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, I have to track that down again. |
| 16:57.27 | jair | jelly, yes |
| 16:57.32 | jair | jelly, how are you? |
| 16:57.41 | valdyn | christian_: can you post a screenshot? i dont use your locale.. |
| 16:57.45 | jair | jelly, I am doing an inventory today kind of boring |
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| 16:58.19 | jair | jelly, but I wanted to keep contact with you because i will be implementing couple of things in my organization and I wanted to ask you some things. |
| 16:58.33 | jair | jelly, how are you doing? are you in ukraine or Cratia? |
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| 16:59.46 | jair | jelly, are you busy too at the moment? |
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| 17:01.07 | jelly | jair: Croatia. |
| 17:01.24 | jair | jelly, are you working now? |
| 17:01.38 | jair | jelly, do you have a business? I did not rememeber? |
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| 17:01.59 | jelly | jair: at home, but have lots of stuff to finish. |
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| 17:02.18 | grendel_prime | OK ...back up and running stable. |
| 17:02.23 | jair | jelly, are you student still? or are you a worker IT guy? |
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| 17:02.31 | grendel_prime | it has everything i need...im sticking with this dist |
| 17:02.40 | eBug | what do you think about that : |
| 17:02.41 | eBug | eric@carmelo:~$ grep |
| 17:02.43 | eBug | Illegal instruction |
| 17:02.44 | eBug | ? |
| 17:02.50 | eBug | fs corruption ? |
| 17:02.53 | grendel_prime | i would like to hear input from anyone who is running xorg on sarge though |
| 17:02.57 | nixie | strace grep |
| 17:03.00 | jelly | jair: both, I have a part-time job and some stuff on the side. |
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| 17:03.11 | eBug | nixie i can't install strace |
| 17:03.26 | grendel_prime | !dpkg xorg |
| 17:03.26 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 17:03.33 | eBug | dpkg chokes on configuring libc6 |
| 17:03.37 | stew | eBug: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:03.45 | eBug | stew testinh |
| 17:03.48 | stew | eBug: what version of libc6 do you currently have installed? |
| 17:04.03 | EdibleText | pehhaps a shared lib mismatch |
| 17:04.07 | eBug | stew: 2.3.5-6 |
| 17:04.14 | grendel_prime | ebug...i just rebuilt my laptop with sarge cause libc6 is so fuked up in testing |
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| 17:04.25 | samuel | sup all |
| 17:04.32 | eBug | grendel_prime my laptop runs testing smoothly |
| 17:04.37 | valdyn | grendel_prime: what do you want to hear about xorg? |
| 17:04.44 | tijn | a story! |
| 17:04.45 | grendel_prime | xorg on sarge |
| 17:04.45 | tijn | :D |
| 17:04.49 | valdyn | grendel_prime: that there's no point in switching to it? |
| 17:04.55 | tijn | the one with the dwarfs! |
| 17:04.59 | tijn | sry ;) |
| 17:05.05 | grendel_prime | valdyn, at this time...i think your right |
| 17:05.13 | ke6isf | !beer tijn |
| 17:05.19 | grendel_prime | xfree seems to be running just fine on this laptop now |
| 17:05.33 | Eulex | !tell elephantMan about search |
| 17:05.53 | grendel_prime | eBug, what desktop you running? |
| 17:05.57 | eBug | E: Sub-process gzip received a segmentation fault. |
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| 17:06.15 | eBug | grendel_prime flwm |
| 17:06.21 | Eulex | elephantMan, sorry, had to go for a while. |
| 17:06.22 | eBug | on the laptop |
| 17:06.32 | eBug | kde on the f**cked machine |
| 17:06.41 | grendel_prime | ya its the kde |
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| 17:06.48 | grendel_prime | kde is fucked thats the problem |
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| 17:07.06 | mutek | Sirius_Black: libpt-plugins-v4l2 - Portable Windows Library Video Plugin for Video4Linux v2 |
| 17:07.06 | eBug | grendel_prime kde has nothing to do with dpkg afaict |
| 17:07.08 | ke6isf | grendel_prime: grep is broken on his box. It's not a kde problem. |
| 17:07.08 | grendel_prime | if it was just me i wouldnt care would use enlightment or ice |
| 17:07.26 | grendel_prime | ok ebug whatever you say |
| 17:07.30 | eBug | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.5-8_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:07.30 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.31 | samuel | any idea where dpgk keeps the post install scripts? or the remove scripts? |
| 17:07.33 | tiCo89 | hmmm, Sirius_Black, a figure in the harry potter books, isn't it? |
| 17:07.48 | eBug | samuel /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:07.49 | mutek | samuel: look in /var/lib/dpkg, I think |
| 17:07.57 | ke6isf | eBug: Are you able to run other programs on the hosed box? |
| 17:08.00 | samuel | eBug, mutek thanks |
| 17:08.04 | Sirius_Black | more than a book tiCo89 :-)) |
| 17:08.14 | eBug | ke6isf sshd works fine, kdm too |
| 17:08.28 | eBug | ke6isf greeter shows up but never login |
| 17:08.30 | beleys | re |
| 17:08.36 | eBug | it hangs after entering passwd |
| 17:08.36 | ke6isf | eBug: Have you run fsck on the file system? |
| 17:08.43 | tiCo89 | Si"prisoner of askaban"? right? |
| 17:08.44 | eBug | ke6isf yes |
| 17:08.49 | eBug | ke6isf ext3 |
| 17:09.03 | grendel_prime | its the dependecy problem with libstdc6 |
| 17:09.07 | ke6isf | eBug: Rephrase, have you run it from an independent boot disk or Knoppix or somesuch? |
| 17:09.08 | eBug | i think ext3 corrupted my root partition |
| 17:09.19 | Haukkari | Can anyone point me to some good java software (except Azureus and Eclipse)? No matter what, the important part is that it's java and it does something useful |
| 17:09.26 | eBug | ke6isf from Knoppix |
| 17:09.36 | grendel_prime | ebug had you run an upgrade by chance? |
| 17:09.46 | nixie | Haukkari: freshmeat.net? |
| 17:09.54 | ke6isf | eBug: It's a long shot, but I wonder if an apt-get --reinstall is in order? |
| 17:10.02 | eBug | grendel_prime no |
| 17:10.26 | Haukkari | nixie: I was looking for something a bit more widely used... |
| 17:10.33 | eBug | ke6isf --reinstall isn't an apt-get's option |
| 17:11.13 | ke6isf | eBug: I thought there was some sort of a reinstall option in one fo the apt progs... =o>o= |
| 17:11.23 | stew | there is, its --reinstall |
| 17:11.34 | grendel_prime | --reinstall |
| 17:11.36 | ke6isf | stew: Yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 17:12.12 | jair | jelly, ? |
| 17:12.14 | EdibleText | apt-get --reinstall <package> |
| 17:12.21 | EdibleText | er |
| 17:12.26 | EdibleText | apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 17:12.59 | EdibleText | but his gzip is fuxx0red |
| 17:13.25 | ke6isf | EdibleText: Hooboy. |
| 17:13.42 | ke6isf | EdibleText: And I think he said that dpkg was unable to run as well. |
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| 17:15.27 | EdibleText | yeah sounds like a mess... perhsaps some staticly compiled utils in /bin could fix things enough to install normally |
| 17:15.34 | EdibleText | but that would be a pain |
| 17:15.47 | ke6isf | EdibleText: I wonder if people could just dcc him the binaries and he could hand install them. |
| 17:15.50 | jsz | apt-get install <pkg> reinstalls it if it was previously installed, I doesn't download it again unless it has been updated. |
| 17:16.42 | EdibleText | ke6isf, the problem i think is gzip but the libs that it shares eg ldd `which gzip` |
| 17:16.42 | jelly | jair: hey, you there? /msg me to discuss other-than-Debian stuff. ;-) |
| 17:16.46 | huggis | I install apache2 but apache2-common doesn't install apache2.conf. Can somebody help me |
| 17:17.01 | EdibleText | is/isnt |
| 17:17.05 | jair | jelly, i am writing you in a msg |
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| 17:17.49 | ke6isf | EdibleText: Two libraries, from what I see. Not terribly bad. Beats a punch in the nose. |
| 17:18.05 | EdibleText | ke6isf, unless you like it rough ;) |
| 17:18.14 | ke6isf | EdibleText: Heh =^^= |
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| 17:19.03 | EdibleText | ke6isf, hmm alternativly the libs ocould be dcc'ed perhaps. |
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| 17:19.24 | ke6isf | EdibleText: Indeed. Are the versions between Sarge and Etch different? |
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| 17:20.01 | EdibleText | ke6isf, i would think that the differed soon after sarge went stable |
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| 17:21.01 | grendel_prime | ya gzip is fucked...in testing |
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| 17:21.07 | grendel_prime | thats what i tried to tell him |
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| 17:21.32 | grendel_prime | he told me it had nothing to do with the current fucked status of testing. |
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| 17:22.03 | grendel_prime | i have dinked with testing for 3 days now trying to get it working...its unusable if your using kde..which he is |
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| 17:22.20 | stew | grendel_prime: gzip is broken in testing? what is the bug#? |
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| 17:22.47 | mrnull | Because my DNS lookup is painfully slow, I decided to uncomment ipv6 in /etc/modules.conf. How can I re-apply these settings without restarting the computer? |
| 17:23.07 | grendel_prime | dont know what i do know is that after upgrading i had to pull some files from unstable |
| 17:23.16 | EdibleText | mrnull, rmmod <module> |
| 17:23.22 | grendel_prime | at that point alot of things stoped working..the big on being gzip |
| 17:23.32 | stew | grendel_prime: but you didn't report a bug? why not? |
| 17:23.32 | EdibleText | mrnull, module removel needs to be supported in kernel however |
| 17:23.41 | stew | grendel_prime: i upgraded 2 boxes last night without issue |
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| 17:24.03 | grendel_prime | now..it is not toally NOT working but stable packages will not unzip |
| 17:24.27 | stew | grendel_prime: what won't unzip? |
| 17:24.28 | grendel_prime | dude...its in unstable...to be honest i didnt even know for sure stew untell last night about 1130 |
| 17:24.30 | valdyn | mrnull: shouldnt be more than restarting the applications that you want to support ipv6 and /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 17:24.38 | tioan | hello, does anyone use this setup / on lvm2 as /dev/system/slash and the /dev/system/slash on md1 an mdadm software raid? |
| 17:24.46 | stew | grendel_prime: what's in unstable? |
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| 17:25.24 | mrnull | EdibleText: is there an easy way to remove it from the kernel? |
| 17:25.40 | enkrypt | is Synaptic b0rked in unstable/amd64 ? |
| 17:25.48 | XS4-6096 | Dec 5 06:25:03 localhost su[3750]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) ?????? |
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| 17:25.49 | stew | enkrypt: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:25.56 | grendel_prime | ok...right now in testing..you cannot get severa things in kde to work without using the unstable pacakes for libstdc++6 so i did that...after doing that upgrade.. |
| 17:25.57 | valdyn | enkrypt: in a way, yes |
| 17:26.02 | EdibleText | mrnull, excuse me .. im a fatigued i read that first statement as you wanting to remove ipv6 support from your system |
| 17:26.11 | enkrypt | cause since the last upgrade, I'm getting a segfault when I run synaptic |
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| 17:26.33 | enkrypt | stew: bugs.debian.org is unresponsive for me |
| 17:26.37 | grendel_prime | i knoticed last night that aptitude...or apt reports that i can no longer open the compressed pkg information files that it downloads from the repositorys |
| 17:26.42 | mrnull | EdibleText: I just uncommented it from modprobe.. that'll work right? I just need a way to load my changed settings since ipv6 is in use |
| 17:26.44 | EdibleText | mrnull, but it seems as though the opeosite is true, no? |
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| 17:27.08 | mrnull | alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 |
| 17:27.14 | grendel_prime | but to be honest i really didnt think it was anything but ME that had screwed up |
| 17:27.14 | mrnull | is what I uncommented |
| 17:27.18 | stew | enkrypt: its unusually snappy for me currently. do you have a dns problem perhaps? |
| 17:27.21 | huggis | I install apache2 but apache2-common doesn't install apache2.conf. Can somebody help me?? |
| 17:28.04 | EdibleText | mrnull, you could apt-get install modconf and manipulate modules in an ncurses enviromnmet. very handy |
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| 17:28.21 | stew | grendel_prime: are you saying that you no longer believe that testing's gzip is broken, as you had previously stated? |
| 17:28.21 | mrnull | EdibleText: Very cool. Thanks! |
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| 17:28.35 | stew | grendel_prime: did you check the bts for aptitude? |
| 17:28.41 | stew | grendel_prime: and zlib? |
| 17:28.42 | XS4-6096 | Dec 5 06:25:03 localhost su[3750]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) - Can anybody tell me what is this?+ |
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| 17:29.27 | XS4-6096 | Dec 5 06:25:01 localhost CRON[3729]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0 |
| 17:29.27 | grendel_prime | stew this happend at 1130 i threw my hands in the air, burned a copy of the netinstall for sarge and went to bed |
| 17:29.31 | valdyn | XS4-6096: a task running as root used su to switch to nobody |
| 17:29.46 | grendel_prime | im just now getting the machine working and there is nothing on it that was on it last night |
| 17:29.54 | CleeK | is it possible to take screenshots during debian installation with a keyboard shortcut ? |
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| 17:30.25 | XS4-6096 | valdyn thx |
| 17:30.26 | valdyn | XS4-6096: so you're seeing something _dropping_ privilegues, that isnt bad. |
| 17:30.56 | mrnull | EdibleText: Still getting an error that ipv6 is in use. Anyone know how to turn it off ;) |
| 17:30.56 | grendel_prime | the ony thing im trying to say is that eBug_ is haveing all kinds of problems that are similar to what i had happen... but when i suggested to him that it had to do with the current status of testing he dismissed it as not possible |
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| 17:31.29 | valdyn | mrnull: stop your networking |
| 17:31.33 | FrekoDing | hi |
| 17:31.49 | stew | grendel_prime: all i'm saying is that if you are finding grave bugs that aren't yet reported, please report them |
| 17:31.59 | mrnull | valdyn: Sorry, but how? |
| 17:32.13 | valdyn | mrnull: /etc/init.d/networking stop |
| 17:32.43 | grendel_prime | i would if i had a machine that i would have been able to report them on |
| 17:33.01 | grendel_prime | im just now finishing up this build |
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| 17:33.58 | FrekoDing | anyone success an install of Vlc on testing ? |
| 17:34.06 | ideas1 | how the performance on sparc? |
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| 17:34.39 | EdibleText | !sparc |
| 17:34.39 | dpkg | somebody said sparc was the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 17:34.41 | Pego | hi |
| 17:34.48 | romulo | hmm....my camera is autodetected by module, but only root can access it..where do i change it? |
| 17:34.59 | ideas1 | thansk |
| 17:35.21 | FrekoDing | you must change permissions on /dev/nodeofyourcamera |
| 17:35.22 | Pego | i'm looking for a way to search and replace char like ? or space or accent and remplace them anyone have an idea ? |
| 17:35.35 | FrekoDing | you can sed |
| 17:35.39 | romulo | FrekoDing, but this is created when the camera is attached, no? |
| 17:35.41 | mrnull | valdyn: Still says it's in use.. Very strange |
| 17:35.52 | Pego | FrekoDing: me ? sed ? |
| 17:35.53 | FrekoDing | you can use sed |
| 17:35.57 | FrekoDing | yes pego |
| 17:36.14 | Pego | have any good tutorial for it ? |
| 17:36.26 | FrekoDing | you can easily find it on google |
| 17:36.36 | Pego | k thank a lot ! |
| 17:36.47 | FrekoDing | nobody can help me booh ! |
| 17:37.00 | FrekoDing | :'-( |
| 17:37.16 | mrnull | restarting... |
| 17:37.31 | stew | romulo: read /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian |
| 17:37.32 | EdibleText | FrekoDing, you didnt really ask a question about your problem |
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| 17:37.38 | Eulex | Pego, whatever | sed "s/old/new/g" |
| 17:38.07 | FrekoDing | vlc is maintening just for unstable |
| 17:38.16 | FrekoDing | i want to stay on testing |
| 17:38.37 | FrekoDing | actually i use totem to watch videos |
| 17:38.49 | eBug_ | stew sorry i had to reboot |
| 17:39.24 | FrekoDing | i m looking for a way to install vlc on testing or a depot |
| 17:39.31 | Eulex | FrekoDing, there are both vnc servers and viewers in testing |
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| 17:39.39 | EdibleText | FrekoDing, well you could grab the unstable source of vlc and build it perhaps. but dont ask how ;) |
| 17:39.50 | FrekoDing | it s an idea |
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| 17:40.00 | FrekoDing | no Eulex |
| 17:40.18 | EdibleText | !vlc |
| 17:40.18 | dpkg | i heard vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 17:41.07 | Eulex | FrekoDing, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=vncserver |
| 17:41.09 | FrekoDing | apt-gettable just under unstable.... |
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| 17:41.35 | Pego | Eulex: k seen that on tutorial but i need search file name on multiple dir :/ i can't ls | sed ... yes ? |
| 17:41.52 | chema_ | Hi, I use xubuntu, Xorg work perfect, but late I install xdm and dont start. Simply try to run, and then back to the terminal without any error, Startx work perfectly |
| 17:42.05 | azeem | chema_: try #ubuntu |
| 17:42.17 | azeem | chema_: ubuntu's X setup is different to Debian's |
| 17:42.22 | EdibleText | Eulex, s/n/l :) |
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| 17:42.30 | chema_ | right thanks |
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| 17:42.44 | romulo | anyone knows where i can set permissions to devices there arent connected but will? |
| 17:43.07 | azeem | romulo: some udev rule/script, I suppose |
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| 17:43.16 | romulo | azeem, and where i can look for those? |
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| 17:44.26 | Eulex | Pego, you need find or locate to search for files, not a tool for replacing strings |
| 17:44.26 | azeem | romulo: somewhere in /etc/udev or so I guess. I don't really know, sorry |
| 17:45.09 | liran | im getting errors about e2fsprogs, can i delete it or something? |
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| 17:45.42 | EdibleText | Pego, you are tying to find files and changes names that meet certain criteria? |
| 17:46.09 | Eulex | liran, that's a really bad workaround to the real problem. |
| 17:46.15 | EdibleText | liran, no do as it suggests |
| 17:46.26 | stew | liran: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 17:47.23 | mrnull | How can I find out what DNS server I'm currently using? |
| 17:47.32 | stew | mrnull: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:47.48 | Lord_Athur | where can I find a tutorial of gambas? |
| 17:47.54 | mrnull | stew: thnx |
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| 17:48.27 | Lord_Athur | hey |
| 17:48.28 | Eulex | Lord_Athur, google. there's one at the first hit. |
| 17:48.32 | Lord_Athur | where can I find a tutorial of gambas? |
| 17:48.33 | Lord_Athur | jajaj |
| 17:48.35 | Lord_Athur | thanks |
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| 17:49.01 | ViViD | anyone know of a good NNTP client, i cant seem to find one that works |
| 17:49.31 | ma3x | can I somehow password protect my ext. partition, so that nobody can access it? |
| 17:49.36 | Pego | EdibleText: exact i have found ls | sed -e 's/ /-/g' -e 's/_-/-/g' |
| 17:49.47 | botsy | i have a problem with webmin when i want to connect on https:127.0.0.1:10000 it's ok but when i want to connect on 192.168.1.1:10000 it's say Error - Access denied for 192.168.1.1 but i have modify the files in /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf ... please help me ... |
| 17:49.48 | CleeK | slrn, pan, mozilla thunderbird |
| 17:50.06 | Pego | EdibleText: but i need write the name now and recursuvly on many dir :/ |
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| 17:50.21 | Marco` | hi |
| 17:50.42 | liran | ok thanks |
| 17:50.48 | Marco` | why isnt my onboard chip on my nForce2 board working in Debian / Ubuntu? |
| 17:50.51 | Marco` | forcedeth is loaded |
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| 17:51.24 | valdyn | Marco`: lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 17:51.35 | EdibleText | Pego, you want to use 'find' posibilby with the -exec switch or a pipe to xargs |
| 17:51.42 | Marco` | not in Debian / Ubuntu right now |
| 17:51.46 | Marco` | maybe you can make me a guide =P |
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| 17:51.52 | antgel | Marco`: what's debian/ubuntu? |
| 17:52.07 | Marco` | 2 distrobutions? |
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| 17:53.04 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 17:53.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 17:53.27 | Pego | EdibleText: arf oki 'ill check |
| 17:53.46 | sgeigerbot | How can I adjust the creation date on a file? |
| 17:53.52 | FlimFlamMan | i'm using GNOME on sarge. how can i get openoffice to open .doc files instead of abiword, when opened from a nautilus window? |
| 17:53.59 | sgeigerbot | (apparenlty touch -t doesn't do it.) |
| 17:54.02 | Dakkon | hi - can anyone point me at some documentation on how to build libraries with debugging symbols? I looked at debian/rules but there's no dh_strip that I can comment out? |
| 17:54.02 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai - can anyone point me at some documentation on how to build libraries with debugging symbols? I looked at debian/rules but there's no dh_strip that I can comment out! |
| 17:54.17 | azeem | FlimFlamMan: right click -> Open with ... and make the other one the default |
| 17:54.21 | azeem | FlimFlamMan: or something like that |
| 17:54.33 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: only affects mtime? |
| 17:54.34 | thingfish | FlimFlamMan: rt-click on the type of file you want to open, go to Properties, then Open With. |
| 17:54.54 | EdibleText | hi - foobar |
| 17:54.56 | mrnull | My DNS lookup is crazy-slow in debian, but OK in Windows XP. Why? I can see that the resolv.conf points right to my router, which is correct. |
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| 17:55.36 | thingfish | EdibleText: because someone started a sentence with Hi. |
| 17:55.43 | stew | EdibleText: yeah, and: -!- There is no such nick sai |
| 17:55.49 | thingfish | Hi let's see if this triggers it. |
| 17:55.56 | thingfish | I guess not. |
| 17:56.07 | stew | !listvalues build libraries with debugging symbols |
| 17:56.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'build libraries with debugging symbols' by value returned no results. |
| 17:56.12 | thingfish | something's up with dpkg; it's been doing odd things for a few days now. |
| 17:56.15 | EdibleText | thingfish, perhaps the comment has to be rather longinsh |
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| 17:56.43 | EdibleText | Hi - foo foo foo foo foo |
| 17:56.53 | Eulex | hi - foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar? foobar? |
| 17:56.53 | EdibleText | ok ill stop ;) |
| 17:56.53 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai - foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar foobar? foobar! |
| 17:56.57 | Eulex | :P |
| 17:57.02 | azeem | that's so useless |
| 17:57.07 | Tak | nice @ gunslinger reference |
| 17:57.12 | dit-navn | hello again #debian |
| 17:57.13 | thingfish | huh, odd |
| 17:57.20 | thingfish | isn't that wild |
| 17:57.21 | Eulex | hi - foobar? foobar? |
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| 17:57.28 | Eulex | hmm |
| 17:57.41 | sgeigerbot | cahoot: Here's the problem description: can you tell me if there is a unix command to change the date a file was created -- i've played with the touch command, but that only changes date modified and date accessed - unless I'm missing something --- the reason I'm asking is b/c my digital camera has screwed up the dates on some of my photos and when I use iphoto to organize things everything is screwed up |
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| 17:58.03 | EdibleText | its probably a modifiedfication of the original you are moron #<number> |
| 17:58.12 | EdibleText | that required long comments |
| 17:58.15 | liran | apt-get/dpkg is trying to setup/upgrade/configure xpdf-common all the time and breaks, is there a way to tell it to ignore it? |
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| 17:58.28 | Eulex | !listkeys hi |
| 17:58.29 | stew | EdibleText: but why would it respond with no ! or dpkg:? |
| 17:58.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hi' by key (15 of 587): CMD: hire (.*?) ;; _default hi ;; chileans ;; even mark shuttleworth says this ;; hiabmj ;; hide yourself ;; know who his master ;; neo-hippie ;; not a nice thing to say ;; nvhiperf ;; piece of shit ;; stack smashing ;; thisisatest ;; thiss ;; web economy bullshit generator. |
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| 17:59.11 | EdibleText | stew, hmm maybe like apt's ROOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed, it is wierd though |
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| 17:59.26 | stew | liran: fix the problem with /var/lib/dpkg/info/xpdf-common.postinst |
| 17:59.39 | valdyn | !literal CMD: hi (.*?) |
| 17:59.40 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: hi (.*?)" is "($1): <reply>(Many greetings, $1, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.|Long days and pleasant nights, sai $1!)" |
| 18:00.00 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: sorry I was only asking out of curiosity/ignorance |
| 18:00.03 | liran | fix it how? |
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| 18:00.11 | stew | valdyn: hmm, do you know what that #debian means? |
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| 18:00.16 | valdyn | hi stew |
| 18:00.19 | stew | hi |
| 18:00.22 | valdyn | hmm |
| 18:00.32 | Tak | what about echo "xpdf-common hold" | dpkg --set-configure |
| 18:00.44 | liran | stew: to delete it? :) hehe |
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| 18:00.51 | azeem | --set-selections, rather, I think |
| 18:02.11 | Tak | ah @ azeta |
| 18:02.15 | EdibleText | !even mark shuttleworth says this |
| 18:02.16 | dpkg | hmm... even mark shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 18:02.18 | Tak | argh |
| 18:02.41 | valdyn | hi test |
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| 18:02.59 | EdibleText | hi - even mark shuttleworth says this? even mark shuttleworth says this? |
| 18:02.59 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai - even mark shuttleworth says this? even mark shuttleworth says this! |
| 18:03.00 | valdyn | !hi test |
| 18:03.01 | dpkg | Many greetings, test, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 18:03.44 | EdibleText | !hi - |
| 18:03.44 | dpkg | Many greetings, -, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 18:03.59 | dusk | hiya, how can I get my printer connected to my windows box networked so I can print from linux? |
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| 18:05.12 | valdyn | stew: its the target channel. ( try it in /msg with dpkg ) |
| 18:05.18 | andihit | is there a dpkg paket, bzw. a software which can log the network traffic and can shut down the network when it's over ex. 1GB? |
| 18:05.36 | ideas1 | dusk: rephrase the question |
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| 18:06.31 | fbi | what is there to rephrase? he wants to use his windows printer under linux. |
| 18:06.32 | dusk | ideas1: i have a printer connected to my gfs windows box, I would like to be able to print via our network (i can see her shared files like I was on windows), but I would like to print |
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| 18:06.44 | dusk | oops |
| 18:06.49 | dusk | i think i said print enough times |
| 18:07.01 | EdibleText | !google connecting to windows printer share from samba |
| 18:07.09 | dpkg | Google says connecting to windows printer share from samba is at http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html or http://compnetworking.about.com/library/weekly/aa062499.htm or http://handsonhowto.com/smb101.html or http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/networking/samba.shtml or http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html |
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| 18:07.31 | EdibleText | first one looks promising |
| 18:07.38 | dusk | 021\ |
| 18:07.39 | bouh | :) |
| 18:07.40 | dusk | 02 |
| 18:07.43 | dusk | last is 05 |
| 18:07.44 | dusk | ! |
| 18:08.31 | valdyn | dusk: you dont need samba for this, you just need cups, and a convenient tool to automagically find windows printers is foomatic-gui |
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| 18:08.50 | CosmoDad | I've modified /etc/bash.bashrc and deleted $HOME/.bashrc, yet my prompt is not set up neither after KDE login nor if I do "su <username>". Can anyone help me? |
| 18:09.10 | CosmoDad | the bash.bashrc definitely works on a different machine |
| 18:09.19 | dusk | valdyn: getting cups and foomatic-gui |
| 18:09.28 | bouh | prompt |
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| 18:09.36 | bouh | is set in $PS1 |
| 18:09.38 | EdibleText | valdyn, it is shared via smb. cups does does not care? |
| 18:09.48 | EdibleText | s/does does/does |
| 18:10.06 | CosmoDad | bouh: which I set in bash.bashrc... |
| 18:10.06 | valdyn | EdibleText: cups can print to about anything |
| 18:10.46 | bouh | check if your bash_login or smth is not overriding your default |
| 18:10.52 | valdyn | EdibleText: just like windows, actually |
| 18:11.01 | fishman | Is it possible get some virtual sound channels, such that I can listen to music and get e.g. IM notifications? |
| 18:11.04 | valdyn | EdibleText: so samba is never required |
| 18:11.14 | CosmoDad | bouh: don't have any overriding .* files in my $HOME |
| 18:11.33 | CosmoDad | bouh: are there any other "more global" files in /etc? |
| 18:11.37 | dusk | valdyn: whats the format for writing the path to the networked printer? (it didnt find it.. gave me an error) |
| 18:11.39 | bouh | well, at login time |
| 18:11.42 | cahoot | fishman: dmix if you use alsa |
| 18:11.46 | dusk | GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 18:11.48 | bouh | you need .bash_login |
| 18:11.49 | dusk | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 18:11.53 | valdyn | dusk: foomati-gui should find it |
| 18:11.54 | bouh | or smth |
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| 18:11.58 | cahoot | fishman: *and* the IM client is alsa aware |
| 18:12.11 | valdyn | dusk: how did you start that tool? |
| 18:12.13 | bouh | if you want to be sure of your .bashrc config |
| 18:12.17 | EdibleText | valdyn, hmm i would suspect some smb support must be compiled in. I may poke about the code to satisfy my curiousity |
| 18:12.21 | fishman | cahoot: But there's nothing that works always? |
| 18:12.21 | dusk | valdyn: as root, at the command line |
| 18:12.29 | bouh | you can try typing # . ./.bashrc |
| 18:12.38 | CosmoDad | bouh: you say I need that file even though all I want to read is the global bash.bashrc? |
| 18:12.42 | cahoot | fishman: a soundcard that does hw mixing |
| 18:12.53 | valdyn | dusk: yes, i know, but how did/do you become root? |
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| 18:13.22 | bouh | I think, and I am not sure, that at login time, he only look for a .bash_login |
| 18:13.23 | dusk | valdyn: first I just su, then I sudo |
| 18:13.23 | fishman | cahoot: mine does, but there's no driver... Soundstorm. |
| 18:13.28 | bouh | man bash |
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| 18:13.44 | valdyn | dusk: sudo shouldnt give that message, su will, why would you be using both? |
| 18:13.57 | cahoot | fishman: do you use alsa? |
| 18:14.05 | fishman | cahoot: yes |
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| 18:14.06 | CosmoDad | bouh: I don't think that's it, I have a different machine where this setup works without any .bash_login |
| 18:14.08 | dusk | valdyn: err.. no, I tried su first, then sudo, su gave me the error, sudo didnt, neither can find the networked printer |
| 18:14.16 | CosmoDad | bouh: read the relevant part in the manpage, didn't help |
| 18:14.21 | valdyn | dusk: so its not shared? |
| 18:14.29 | dusk | valdyn: it is |
| 18:14.35 | bouh | arf |
| 18:14.45 | bouh | well |
| 18:14.58 | valdyn | dusk: smbclient isnt finding it though |
| 18:15.01 | cahoot | fishman: what does: grep -i playback /proc/asound/pcm return? |
| 18:15.03 | bouh | how you 'echo $PS1' looks like ? |
| 18:15.18 | fishman | 00-00: Intel ICH : NVidia nForce2 : playback 1 : capture 1 |
| 18:15.18 | fishman | 00-02: Intel ICH - IEC958 : NVidia nForce2 - IEC958 : playback 1 |
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| 18:15.28 | CosmoDad | bouh: \s-\v\$ |
| 18:15.30 | valdyn | dusk: hold on, looking for syntax |
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| 18:15.39 | dusk | valdyn: smb client? i just got cups and foomatic |
| 18:15.47 | CosmoDad | bouh: I thought it might be a file permission prob since su'ing to root reads bash.bashrc properly... |
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| 18:15.59 | CosmoDad | bouh: but /etc/bash.bashrc is globally readable |
| 18:16.02 | cahoot | fishman: looks like you need dmix or a soundserver then |
| 18:16.06 | EdibleText | valdyn, smbclient -L netibiosname -U validuser |
| 18:16.11 | tvn | is there a similar tool in unix ? I know there's 'diff' but what about similar ? for example comparing 2 files to see if the content of line x in 2 files are the same for all x |
| 18:16.31 | valdyn | dusk: smb://workgroup/computer/printer |
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| 18:16.49 | valdyn | dusk: you might want to share that printer from windows first... |
| 18:16.53 | bouh | yes /etc/bash.bashrc should be globally readable |
| 18:16.53 | obtix | ok, so i have a user that i want to give access ONLY to the home dir to get files via SSH\SCP. I don't want this user to have be able to get anything else (no listing of "/" or anything) Is this possible? how? |
| 18:16.55 | dusk | valdyn: it is shared |
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| 18:17.01 | jachou | Hi, suing snort on debian sarge I see this restarting snort |
| 18:17.03 | jachou | snort(eth0)No /etc/snort/snort.eth0 |
| 18:17.04 | dusk | valdyn: my windows box connects to it |
| 18:17.08 | jachou | what is the way to fix it? |
| 18:17.09 | sgeigerbot | tvn: if you do sdiff -s /file1 /file2 and you don't get much output, then you know they are similar. |
| 18:17.13 | valdyn | dusk: I see |
| 18:17.15 | justnulli | how do i disable ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel? |
| 18:17.38 | bouh | something like 544 |
| 18:17.44 | fishman | How is it that when I start firefox, I get asked for how I want my tabs, everytime? |
| 18:18.05 | CosmoDad | bouh: and if I log in remotely into my machine ussing SSH, it works too |
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| 18:18.18 | jachou | no idea anyone? |
| 18:18.28 | bouh | just when you log under your own session it doesn't work ? |
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| 18:18.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:18.41 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 18:19.14 | CosmoDad | bouh: right |
| 18:19.47 | CosmoDad | bouh: I just thought it might be a KDE issue... using the text console works too |
| 18:19.48 | bouh | if you start up an kde terminal ? |
| 18:19.48 | botsy | i have a problem with webmin when i want to connect on https:127.0.0.1:10000 it's ok but when i want to connect on 192.168.1.1:10000 it's say Error - Access denied for 192.168.1.1 but i have modify the files in /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf ... please help me ... |
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| 18:19.58 | bouh | have you try a simple aterm so ? |
| 18:20.12 | bouh | sorry did not read |
| 18:20.14 | bouh | ok |
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| 18:20.20 | bouh | well |
| 18:20.23 | Eulex | botsy, have you restarted it after you changed that file? |
| 18:20.32 | botsy | yes |
| 18:21.16 | fwtest | if i am uploading file with browser, is there any way to find out the upload speed? |
| 18:21.35 | jachou | using snort on debian sarge I see this restarting snort |
| 18:21.38 | jachou | snort(eth0)No /etc/snort/snort.eth0 |
| 18:21.41 | bouh | I am not a KDE user, hopefully you can find someone |
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| 18:21.43 | lobomufas | fwtest: try iptraf |
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| 18:21.46 | jachou | defaulting to snort.conf |
| 18:21.54 | bouh | that has a clue about that |
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| 18:22.35 | bouh | however... I doubt about KDE interacting with the shell at that level ... |
| 18:22.50 | Eulex | jachou, most probably just a warning, you could create /etc/snort/snort.eth0 if you wanted settings specific to eth0 |
| 18:23.05 | bouh | I belive the problem is somewhere else |
| 18:23.06 | CosmoDad | bouh: me neither... |
| 18:23.16 | bouh | ok :) |
| 18:23.23 | jachou | Eulex: Can I ignore this warning? |
| 18:23.29 | bouh | sorry man, I am not so helpfull |
| 18:23.39 | Eulex | jachou, most probably. |
| 18:23.41 | CosmoDad | bouh: maybe I'll go through bash-manpage again |
| 18:23.48 | CosmoDad | bouh: np thanks a -lot for trying |
| 18:23.57 | bouh | good luck |
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| 18:25.24 | fwtest | lobomufas, iptraf doesnt show the speed |
| 18:25.31 | Trajan | hi all |
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| 18:25.52 | lobomufas | fwtest: it really show the speed :) |
| 18:26.04 | Trajan | i got this message when i am trying to launch synaptic Détails : Failed to execute child process "gksu" who can help to solve it ? |
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| 18:26.14 | lobomufas | ? Outgoing rates: 2.0 kbytes/sec ? |
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| 18:26.26 | lobomufas | what's that then? |
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| 18:30.45 | Eulex | hent, yummy :) |
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| 18:31.23 | Eulex | !tell zOrK about away |
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| 18:33.14 | AiGuent | Hello |
| 18:33.31 | AiGuent | Can anyone help me with getting into Mailing Lists please? |
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| 18:33.42 | azeem | AiGuent: what is the problem= |
| 18:33.43 | azeem | ? |
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| 18:33.54 | TriKster-Abacus | new nvidia drivers |
| 18:33.59 | EdibleText | AiGuent, building a spam server? ;) |
| 18:34.06 | AiGuent | I went through the web site to subscribe |
| 18:34.06 | TriKster-Abacus | but dunno how they react with debian yet |
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| 18:34.11 | AiGuent | and also subscribed sending mails |
| 18:34.13 | TriKster-Abacus | gonna wait for them to come out in the deb repo |
| 18:34.21 | AiGuent | but I've not received any mail |
| 18:35.24 | AiGuent | just I don't know what I have not done well, but I think I am able to do that, if not I should reconsider computers :D |
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| 18:36.04 | AiGuent | Do you know what can be the problem azeem ? |
| 18:36.20 | Pego | stilllooking for an find/sed/rpl solution for delete certain char fron file name :( |
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| 18:36.40 | azeem | AiGuent: did you get a welcome mail after you replied? |
| 18:36.45 | AiGuent | no |
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| 18:36.52 | AiGuent | I sent the subcribe mail |
| 18:36.57 | azeem | AiGuent: maybe you replied with a different From: than what you wrote on the web |
| 18:36.57 | AiGuent | afther that the confirm mail |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | is your mail host a valid host ? |
| 18:37.05 | AiGuent | yes |
| 18:37.09 | AiGuent | yahoo |
| 18:37.26 | abrotman | AiGuent: check your spam box on yahoo |
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| 18:38.11 | dusk | valdyn: i did need samba |
| 18:38.20 | AiGuent | I'll try again |
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| 18:39.12 | stu7 | ...or... can I add blackbox as a possible window manager at startup ? |
| 18:39.39 | fbi | stu7: get rid of your display manager and start blackbox using ~/.xsession |
| 18:40.02 | DanielHolth | Hi there, I'm trying to compile lame with dpkg-buildpackage but the version keeps coming up wrong. Directory name is lame-3.96.1 and the version keeps coming up as lame_3.96-0.1, how can I change it to 3.96.1-1 ? |
| 18:40.02 | dpkg | Many greetings, there, I'm trying to compile lame with dpkg-buildpackage but the version keeps coming up wrong. Directory name is lame-3.96.1 and the version keeps coming up as lame_3.96-0.1, how can I change it to 3.96.1-1, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 18:40.19 | hent | cant you just choose blackbox from your display manager? :S |
| 18:40.29 | fbi | he said "default" |
| 18:40.35 | sissi | hi all, I got a problem with nvidia-src and kernel 2.6.14 with unstable, it refuse to compile because there is a dependancy with rivafb, how can I fix it please ? |
| 18:40.35 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai all, I got a problem with nvidia-src and kernel 2.6.14 with unstable, it refuse to compile because there is a dependancy with rivafb, how can I fix it please! |
| 18:40.36 | hent | oww my bad |
| 18:40.42 | fbi | why bother with a display manager if you always want the same wm to start. |
| 18:40.50 | rossi | hi I have problems with my sources list http://paste.debian.net/3079 I have tried to install kplayer and now my kde is missing what should I change?? before I had tried to install kplayer I had sarge stable installed and then compiled a kernel 2.6.14-2 because of my wlan driver |
| 18:40.50 | stu7 | fbi... err... what I tried was adding blackbox in last line... but I still get metacity :) |
| 18:40.59 | hent | cause the gnome flower looks so cute :D |
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| 18:41.11 | rossi | how to repair the sh*t |
| 18:41.14 | fbi | stu7: huh? just put "exec blackbox" in ~/.xsession |
| 18:41.25 | stu7 | fbi ah okey then |
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| 18:41.55 | AiGuent | Now I've got the confirmation to the subsciption to Mailing Lists |
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| 18:44.23 | grendal_prime | hey guys i got this issue with a scanner. i can run it as root but not a user...(Ya i know..permissions...but on what?) |
| 18:44.42 | grendal_prime | im using xsane |
| 18:44.47 | cahoot | grendal_prime: member of group scanner? |
| 18:44.49 | grendal_prime | what else would i use of course |
| 18:45.03 | grendal_prime | cahoot, dud....that would be tooo easy... |
| 18:45.04 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 18:45.16 | grendal_prime | i totally forgot about that |
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| 18:45.33 | Pego | EdibleText: serieously can't find a good solution :/ |
| 18:45.39 | grendal_prime | see what happens when you build systems and they are so reliable that you forget how to build them cause they run for so long |
| 18:45.40 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 18:48.32 | telenieko | hi ppl. How can I get a package that is older than the one available on debian? concretelly: libtonezone1 1.0.9.1 |
| 18:49.03 | azeem | telenieko: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:49.10 | telenieko | more specific: libtonezone1 >= 1.0.9.1-1 but < 1.2.0 |
| 18:49.21 | telenieko | thx azeem gonna try ;) |
| 18:49.39 | Pego | hi looking for do ls | sed -e 's/\?//g' -e 's/\ //g' but with really rename the file :) |
| 18:50.29 | telenieko | wow awesome! thx azeem! ;) |
| 18:50.33 | dimir | Pego: use rename |
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| 18:50.42 | grendal_prime | ya that didnt do it |
| 18:50.45 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 18:50.49 | DanielHolth | Ah I figured out the dch -v (version number) to change the changelog and the version. hooray. |
| 18:50.56 | Pego | dimir i search for 1H but i m too ad in bash |
| 18:51.05 | dimir | Pego: man rename |
| 18:51.05 | grendal_prime | any other ideas on the scanner problem? |
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| 18:51.28 | cahoot | grendal_prime: logged out/in? |
| 18:51.33 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 18:51.40 | Pego | dimir: yeah okay but i dunno how use it with sed and ls |
| 18:51.49 | grendal_prime | well let me try it with the saned set ill log out and back in |
| 18:51.51 | grendal_prime | brb |
| 18:52.04 | dimir | Pego: no need, it accepts regexps. |
| 18:52.14 | Pego | ho |
| 18:52.17 | Pego | i check thanks |
| 18:52.25 | dimir | Pego: rename 's/\?//g' files |
| 18:52.27 | dimir | np |
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| 18:52.53 | mrnull | What's the best program to burn (and convert) MP3's to Audio CD's in Debian? |
| 18:52.54 | grendal_prime | nodice |
| 18:52.55 | dimir | Pego: do not forget to backup before you start playing with it. |
| 18:52.56 | grendal_prime | still no worky |
| 18:52.58 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 18:53.25 | grendal_prime | mrnull, k3b is the cd bomb |
| 18:53.30 | Pego | dimir: omg was so damn simple |
| 18:53.40 | grendal_prime | especially if you cant use a console |
| 18:53.42 | Trajan | pcs ?! |
| 18:53.46 | Trajan | omg thats crazy |
| 18:53.51 | mrnull | grendal_prime: apt-get can't find k3b? |
| 18:53.59 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
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| 18:54.08 | akrus | hey! |
| 18:54.20 | grendal_prime | !milliart |
| 18:54.20 | akrus | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) <-- the file doesn't exist, what to do? |
| 18:54.36 | grendal_prime | !dpkg millart |
| 18:54.47 | grendal_prime | !dpkg milliart |
| 18:54.49 | grendal_prime | grrr |
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| 18:54.58 | Zta | I get a serious error when I try to apt-get install python-sqlite. I've experinced the same error for other packags for some time, and now it's driving me nuts. Can anyone please tell me what to do, and what I did, to make apt-get go this crazy? |
| 18:55.19 | Zta | The error for apt-get install python-sqlite is: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 18:55.22 | fbi | !marillat |
| 18:55.22 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 18:55.33 | dimir | Pego: mind you older 'rename' utility and the redhat one didn't accept regexps. |
| 18:55.43 | grendal_prime | thanks...hahah i was brain cramping there |
| 18:55.59 | dimir | Pego: errrmm, rh one is still not accepting. |
| 18:56.26 | cahoot | grendal_prime: /usr/share/doc/libsane/REAME.Debian.gz - might be what you want to consult - note the udev recommendation for usb scanners |
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| 18:56.55 | grendal_prime | thaks man |
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| 18:57.35 | Zta | Anyone who can help me straighten apt-get out? |
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| 18:59.56 | fishman | !nforce |
| 18:59.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nforce is a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 18:59.56 | dusk | zta: whats wrong with it |
| 19:00.11 | grendal_prime | dude i dont know what you have for sources but k3b is listed in stable.. |
| 19:00.22 | fishman | Is there a Debian package for nforce? |
| 19:00.37 | grendal_prime | sooooo.....better look at your sources.list..it must be missing something major to not find the stable package |
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| 19:00.39 | mrnull | grendal_prime: Using ftp.debian.org testing.. hugh |
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| 19:01.14 | grendal_prime | testing...ug |
| 19:01.20 | grendal_prime | you using kde on testing? |
| 19:01.29 | grendal_prime | cause..ya it wont show there |
| 19:01.29 | roler | I am running debian testing with gnome/metacity on a toshiba P25 laptop. I would love to have thermal monitoring show on my task bar... Has anyone set this up? I'm running the 2.6.14 kernel... |
| 19:01.32 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: You finish eating the killer bee corpse. You feel healthy. |
| 19:01.42 | grendal_prime | you will have problems wiith k3b |
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| 19:01.47 | tarzeau | The poison doesn't seem to affect you. |
| 19:01.58 | tarzeau | see how good it can be to eat little amounts of poison? |
| 19:02.00 | deadcat | how do i umount a sshfs mountpoint after the connection has broken and the mount point is still there? |
| 19:02.01 | grendal_prime | thats the one that killed me yesterday as i recall |
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| 19:02.13 | grendal_prime | shfsumount? |
| 19:02.16 | tarzeau | deadcat: that's one of the things that sucks with linux? |
| 19:02.17 | dusk | roler: uhh, there isnt an applet when you right click on the task bar for system monitor? |
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| 19:02.23 | grendal_prime | ooo your talking theuser level deal...dont know |
| 19:02.28 | tarzeau | hanging mounts. fbsd has a -f that works |
| 19:02.31 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: cool |
| 19:02.33 | tarzeau | with linux you'll reboot |
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| 19:02.39 | tarzeau | same shit with NFS |
| 19:02.40 | tarzeau | and smb |
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| 19:03.01 | grendal_prime | i hate smb shares that hang...they tend to fk up alot of traffic |
| 19:03.02 | deadcat | tarzeau: so i have to what? leave it along? |
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| 19:03.11 | tarzeau | deadcat: ignore it or reboot |
| 19:03.12 | roler | dusk; thats a system load type thing, not so much temp, fan speed, and what not |
| 19:03.17 | deadcat | tarzeau: ok. |
| 19:03.33 | deadcat | tarzeau: better let my sleep script know about this next time (= |
| 19:03.39 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I'm getting such errors in dmesg on my brand new serial ata drive: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } . On ide drives this said that the ide cable fas damaged and replacing it always solved this problem. What can be in this case, on a serial-ata drive? |
| 19:03.50 | grendal_prime | mrnull, did you get that info? |
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| 19:04.08 | noloK | hi |
| 19:04.14 | dusk | roler: prob need to check with your mobo manufactur for something like that |
| 19:04.24 | Pego | i know find -name '*test*' but how can see all the file that NOT contain test please ? sort of != |
| 19:04.24 | noloK | can anybody help me with one usb mp3 player? |
| 19:04.24 | grendal_prime | i had to put in unstable repos to get k3b to work in testing. basically haveing to upgrade alot and unstablaize your system. |
| 19:04.25 | stew | hid3: the drive is dying |
| 19:04.41 | noloK | SCSI device sda: 1012224 512-byte hdwr sectors (518 MB) i got this when i unplug the device |
| 19:04.50 | noloK | how to mount this /dev/sda? |
| 19:04.50 | hid3 | stew: but it is brand new, used only for about 2-3 days |
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| 19:05.15 | grendal_prime | so mrnull i dont know what would be the next best thing for doing what you want to do.. |
| 19:05.33 | EdibleText | noloK, mount /dev/sda<partition> /path/of/mount/point |
| 19:05.40 | stew | hid3: its either the cable, the motherboard or the drive |
| 19:05.43 | grendal_prime | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mypendrive |
| 19:05.48 | stew | hid3: and its probably not the motherboard |
| 19:06.04 | deadcat | tarzeau: hows this: awk '$1 ~ /^(sshfs|encfs)/ {print $2}' /etc/mtab | while read fs; do fusermount -u $fs; done |
| 19:06.29 | hid3 | stew: is it possible to live with those errors or solve them or a replace is required? |
| 19:06.56 | tarzeau | deadcat: no idea. do you know fuser -k ? |
| 19:07.11 | stew | hid3: usually when that starts, and its the drive, its going to get worse and worse |
| 19:07.14 | noloK | oh, sda1, i was typing /dev/sda :) |
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| 19:07.16 | noloK | thanks |
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| 19:07.27 | hid3 | dammit. |
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| 19:08.39 | EdibleText | hid3, its new.. tell whomever you bought it from that it is broke. |
| 19:08.59 | SplasPood | Anyone know where I might find the debian kernel source package for 2.6.8 (I'm running testing) |
| 19:09.08 | EdibleText | hid3, to be safe done mention the "L" word ;) |
| 19:09.21 | raz0 | kkkk,,, |
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| 19:09.43 | mith | what's it matter it's been 3 days??? just take it back to the store and swap it out |
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| 19:10.15 | HappyHobo | Hi folks |
| 19:10.24 | Azar | hello honorables, I wish to know if anyone here have tried ProShield for Debian |
| 19:10.36 | EdibleText | hid3, what is it WD 80gig, you probably got the 12th one out of the box |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | Azar: wtf is prosheild ? |
| 19:10.51 | HappyHobo | http://www.roamercandles.com/ Fine handmade chunk pillar candles made by a linux user. |
| 19:10.56 | EdibleText | !proshield |
| 19:11.06 | mith | Happywe don't care, go sell your shit on ebay or something |
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| 19:11.13 | deadcat | tarzeau: nice -k option |
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| 19:11.18 | hid3 | EdibleText: that's maxtor 300 gigs w 16k cache |
| 19:11.18 | Azar | abrotman, I am 0 as in zero at security and needed a bit of help so I downloaded it: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Administration/ProShield-6990.shtml# |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | hid3: packages.debian.org .. |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | HappyHobo: what are those ? |
| 19:11.31 | HappyHobo | help a guy out mith |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | HappyHobo: are you *spamming* us ? |
| 19:11.45 | mith | HappyHobo: if it's not selling on ebay then it sucks too much to sell. help yourself out. |
| 19:11.45 | HappyHobo | well abrotman it's a bicolored candle with random chunks of wax underneath |
| 19:11.57 | abrotman | eww .. and he's a MEPIS user |
| 19:12.01 | Zta | dusk, sorry, I was afk. Um, apt-get gives a certain error, which blocks me from installing anything. |
| 19:12.08 | abrotman | HappyHobo: no thanks .. stop spamming the channel |
| 19:12.08 | HappyHobo | mith: I have my ownsite why do I want to be on ebay? |
| 19:12.09 | EdibleText | hid3, oh :) . return it |
| 19:12.17 | Zta | dusk, The error for apt-get install python-sqlite is: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 19:12.22 | mith | HappyHobo: because obviously you're not being able to sell the crap. |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | hid3: or snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:12.29 | Azar | abrotman, many say I could to all that stuff myself but since I had no idea how I decided to try this program |
| 19:12.31 | mith | HappyHobo: or you wouldn't be here. |
| 19:12.32 | hid3 | I think I'll do it if replacing the cable won't help :/ |
| 19:12.35 | dusk | zta: umm, apt-get update |
| 19:12.39 | HappyHobo | Actually mith I'm selling very well but I'm always looking for more sales |
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| 19:12.47 | Zta | dusk, did that. |
| 19:12.56 | Firestarter | what is the entry to sources.list for mplayer? |
| 19:13.00 | mith | HappyHobo: sure |
| 19:13.02 | tarzeau | deadcat: i often need it on /dev/dsp |
| 19:13.02 | tarzeau | deadcat: but also on cdrom |
| 19:13.06 | HappyHobo | 550 to 700 candles a month isn't enough so I want to add a couple hundred more however I can do it |
| 19:13.17 | abrotman | Azar: i've never even heard of it |
| 19:13.20 | EdibleText | HappyHobo, are you running debian? |
| 19:13.22 | tarzeau | HappyHobo: shop url? |
| 19:13.24 | abrotman | HappyHobo: STOP .. go away |
| 19:13.25 | mith | HappyHobo: spamming on freenode will end bad, but please, by all means, keep it up. |
| 19:13.37 | HappyHobo | tarzeau: http://www.roamercandles.com/ |
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| 19:13.43 | Kvant | !tell Firestarter about marillat |
| 19:13.52 | abrotman | !tell HappyHobo about spam |
| 19:14.02 | mith | !spam |
| 19:14.02 | dpkg | spam is probably a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 19:14.05 | HappyHobo | I'm trying to help folks get a great gift for Christmas mith so it's not spammng |
| 19:14.25 | abrotman | yes it is spamming |
| 19:14.27 | mith | it is spamming |
| 19:14.30 | mith | go away |
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| 19:14.33 | HappyHobo | oh come on now |
| 19:14.39 | mith | also, your candles are ugly and look gay |
| 19:14.43 | Zta | HappyHobo, nevertheless, people in here seem to get annoyed about it, so why don't you stop. |
| 19:14.46 | abrotman | HappyHobo: it's unwanted .. and offtopic .. stop |
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| 19:14.59 | EdibleText | HappyHobo, asking for Katrina relief funds would be spamming andf those people are fighting hungry alligators in sewage |
| 19:14.59 | mith | they're like super-gay candles |
| 19:15.01 | HappyHobo | okay okay sorry |
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| 19:15.27 | Azar | hmm since I installed ProShield I do not seem to get updates/upgrades anymore I was wondering if it does it automatically without me knowing |
| 19:15.33 | HappyHobo | I also wanted to say thanks for debian finally getting their act together again so I didn't have to leave a debian based system |
| 19:15.37 | abrotman | Azar: you know .. that program doesn't actually do so much |
| 19:15.42 | jbroome | HappyHobo: how many of those candles can you stick in your ass? |
| 19:15.49 | EdibleText | jbroome, be nice |
| 19:15.53 | Azar | abrotman, oh I see :) |
| 19:15.57 | tarzeau | they're a bit too large in diameter |
| 19:15.59 | jbroome | EdibleText: i thought that was.. :) |
| 19:16.00 | HappyHobo | unstable is finally intact again |
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| 19:16.03 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:16.06 | mith | jbroome: all of them have already been there, remember, they're super-gay candles. There's no other way to form them. |
| 19:16.14 | abrotman | Azar: i mean .. it does .. but nothing so difficult you couldn't do it yourself |
| 19:16.15 | jbroome | oooh yeah. thanks mith |
| 19:16.24 | tarzeau | HappyHobo: try contact this guy, maybe he can take some, www.goatse.org/mirror |
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| 19:16.35 | Zta | If people would only focus on my apt-get problem instead of HappyHobo... |
| 19:16.48 | HappyHobo | sorry Zta |
| 19:16.50 | Azar | abrotman, I will need to study more about security administration on this issue |
| 19:16.54 | abrotman | Zta: apt sucks .. RPMs are the bestest! |
| 19:16.58 | jbroome | Zta: we need candlelight to find the solutions to your apt problem. :) |
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| 19:17.10 | abrotman | !e2fsloop |
| 19:17.19 | HappyHobo | What seems to the problem Zta? |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs |
| 19:17.27 | dpkg | hmm... e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:17.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:17.38 | grendal_prime | what the hell is the name of that app that alows you to rightclick an archive on your kde desktop and open it |
| 19:17.39 | abrotman | Zta: ^^ |
| 19:17.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ark ? |
| 19:17.51 | HappyHobo | ark |
| 19:17.56 | grendal_prime | no thats not it |
| 19:18.02 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 19:18.05 | abrotman | fileroller ? |
| 19:18.10 | abrotman | but ark is the one for kde |
| 19:18.15 | HappyHobo | yes it is ark. fileroller is gnome |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | grendal_prime: and if tha'ts not it .. ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 19:18.31 | grendal_prime | good idea |
| 19:18.33 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 19:18.42 | abrotman | woohoo! |
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| 19:18.52 | fbi | is that dirty water or summat |
| 19:18.54 | Zta | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:18.55 | Azar | I just found out that installing Debian from a woody CD, in fact will auto upgrade to Sarge after base installation is done :) |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | fbi: filthy :) |
| 19:19.04 | fbi | sweet. |
| 19:19.26 | HappyHobo | When will Debian finally put Gnome 2.12 and KDE 3.5 into unstable? |
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| 19:19.42 | abrotman | fbi: travels through a good number of small cities/large towns before getting to philly ... not to mention the acid mine wash at the head streams |
| 19:19.43 | Seb | HappyHobo: whne it's ready ? |
| 19:19.57 | HappyHobo | That was my legit question. |
| 19:19.57 | fbi | oh nice, so the water is probably toxic |
| 19:20.12 | HappyHobo | Well Seb lots of other distros are already using 2.12 and 3.5 |
| 19:20.12 | fbi | do the fish in that river have three eyes and shit |
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| 19:20.18 | abrotman | HappyHobo: and he gave you a legit answer .. if it's not soon enough for you .. stop fucking with candles and help them finish the packages |
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| 19:20.22 | Seb | HappyHobo: do you wanna help ? |
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| 19:20.27 | deadcat | tarzeau: haha. the awk | fusermount -u worked. it even fusermount'ed my hung fs (= |
| 19:20.30 | EdibleText | yeah but it leaves a pleasant sheen |
| 19:20.35 | deadcat | giggly giggly giggly goo |
| 19:20.37 | HappyHobo | How can i help Seb? seriously |
| 19:20.40 | abrotman | fbi: most fish shit |
| 19:20.54 | Seb | HappyHobo: look in the BTS |
| 19:20.59 | abrotman | fbi: actually .. TBH .. i'm not sure any fish live in the river :) |
| 19:21.03 | Seb | HappyHobo: find bugs holding KDE back. Work on packages. COntact the debian kde team. |
| 19:21.05 | HappyHobo | I'll do that Seb. Thanks |
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| 19:21.12 | Zta | abrotman, ok so I do something like sed -i -e "s,testing,stable,g;" /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. And then I change back to testing. Huh? |
| 19:21.14 | Seb | HappyHobo: #debian-kde would prolly be a good palce to start |
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| 19:21.20 | Seb | place |
| 19:21.28 | HappyHobo | I'm less concerned with KDE and more concerned with Gnome. |
| 19:21.28 | tarzeau | deadcat: lucky for ya, i usually end up with a high load on nfs hung debian gnu/linux workstations that i walk through windy snow and ice and press the god damn powerbutton since reboot would hang too |
| 19:21.40 | mjk64 | Should I write module options to /etc/modprobe.conf (which contains lines saying "DO NOT MODIFY", because it's been created automaticall by (deprecated?) update-modules), or to some file (which name?) in /etc/modprobe.d? And why is /etc/modprobe.d practically not documented? |
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| 19:21.54 | tarzeau | deadcat: i think there is a way to hardreset it remotely, glad i didn't need to walk around so often that i looked into a software way to hard reset it yet |
| 19:21.58 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 19:21.59 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:21.59 | dpkg | well, e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:22.10 | deadcat | tarzeau: i know what you mean. but nfs has a soft option right? |
| 19:22.15 | PupenoL | I used module-assitant to build a package, it installed it, but, where is the .deb now ? |
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| 19:22.29 | abrotman | Zta: that's all i know about it .. i've never actually hit the bug |
| 19:22.38 | Zta | abrotman, thanks again =) |
| 19:22.39 | tarzeau | deadcat: no idea? you tell me... |
| 19:22.56 | HappyHobo | Mepis users and Debian users didn't get 2.10 until 4 months after it's final release. Ubuntu and several others already have 2.12 Seb so I figure I should find a way to speed the process. I don't want Gnome 2.14 to come out and we(I say that as in the public that uses the debian repositories) are still using 2.10. |
| 19:23.19 | abrotman | oh well |
| 19:23.36 | abrotman | fix bugs .. stop whining |
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| 19:23.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: how many did you fix this week? |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's only monday! |
| 19:24.05 | HappyHobo | The bugs are minor though abrotman most have found out. There are no severe memory leaks or security issues. |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i also don't whine |
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| 19:24.33 | HappyHobo | 2.12 should already be in unstable IMHO. |
| 19:24.41 | abrotman | so file a bug |
| 19:24.43 | Azar | is having an apt source in a different country making it so hard to get the latest security updates? |
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| 19:25.02 | grendal_prime | it is the konq-plugins pkg that provides that right click functionality abrotman |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | oh .. see .. i would have never known |
| 19:25.12 | tarzeau | Azar: huh? |
| 19:25.20 | HappyHobo | Heh I did attempt to get 2.12 from the experimental repositories and it's in so much disarray the dependencies couldn't be resolved. |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | Azar: there is really only one security host |
| 19:25.24 | Zta | abrotman, thanks for the help =) |
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| 19:25.27 | tarzeau | Azar: you've got sarge, right? |
| 19:25.29 | Azar | I am not getting the latest security updates for the Nov 26-Dec 2nd |
| 19:25.35 | abrotman | HappyHobo: that's because you're running Mepis |
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| 19:25.38 | Azar | tarzeau, yes |
| 19:25.49 | Pego | in bash how can i chain command but they wait they finish before start the next one ? |
| 19:25.53 | tarzeau | Azar: for which packages? |
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| 19:26.13 | HappyHobo | abrotman: As often as this machine has been upgraded using the debian repositories, the only thing really left that is Mepis is the kernel itself and the hardware detection meauto |
| 19:26.21 | jcole | does freenode support ssl? |
| 19:26.27 | abrotman | TBH .. i'd rather 2.12 not make it in .. and they just start prepping 2.14 |
| 19:26.29 | HappyHobo | From that point on this thing is really debian. |
| 19:26.29 | tarzeau | Azar: did you apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:26.32 | mjk64 | Pego: blah && blah2 && blah3 ... |
| 19:26.36 | tarzeau | jcole: #freenode |
| 19:26.36 | EdibleText | Pego, cmd1 && cmd2 |
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| 19:26.45 | Azar | horde2, centericq, gtk-2.0, zope 2.7 |
| 19:26.53 | HappyHobo | 2.12 does seem rather disappointing but I'd still like to use it before I decide fully abrotman |
| 19:26.56 | Azar | hmm |
| 19:26.57 | mjk64 | Pego: If you want blah2 to run only if running blah1 failed, then do: blah1 || blah2 |
| 19:27.01 | jcole | tarzeau: thanks |
| 19:27.08 | Pego | hum oki so cmd1; && comd2; work right ? |
| 19:27.11 | abrotman | HappyHobo: then pull it from experimental |
| 19:27.12 | Azar | maybe they are updates for packages I do not have |
| 19:27.17 | EdibleText | Pego, no |
| 19:27.20 | mjk64 | Pego: Without the semicola! |
| 19:27.27 | tarzeau | Azar: of course you don't get security updates for packages that you don't have |
| 19:27.29 | EdibleText | !abs |
| 19:27.30 | dpkg | i heard abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 19:27.31 | tarzeau | Azar: heh ;) |
| 19:27.33 | mjk64 | Pego: Just: cmd1 && cmd2 |
| 19:27.42 | EdibleText | pego http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 19:27.47 | Azar | :) sorry I am so dumb |
| 19:27.51 | Pego | okay sorry thanks a lot i know it's a stupid question :/ |
| 19:27.51 | tarzeau | i wonder what comes after DSA-999 |
| 19:28.02 | mjk64 | Pego: There are no stupid questions. :-) |
| 19:28.03 | Pego | EdibleText: thx |
| 19:28.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: DSA-EOW |
| 19:28.11 | stew | tarzeau: if its not DSA-1000 i'm going to be very suprised |
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| 19:29.07 | mrnull | ls |
| 19:29.18 | mjk64 | mrnull: Not here. :-) |
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| 19:30.16 | mjk64 | Do I put module options in /etc/modprobe.conf or in /etc/modules.d? |
| 19:30.29 | HappyHobo | in all honesty abrotman the only thing I really want from 2.12 is the latest Nautilus --no-desktop --browser(the non spatial one). I'm actually an AfterStep2 user |
| 19:30.30 | mjk64 | Tss .... :-) |
| 19:31.02 | fishman | I installed the nforce drivers from nvidia.com. How can I configure my applications such that I can play multiple sounds at a time? The drivers support SoundStorm. |
| 19:31.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried the latest dillo and links2 yet? |
| 19:31.28 | HappyHobo | later folks |
| 19:31.39 | HappyHobo | mith get a fucking clue and have a nice day |
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| 19:32.06 | EdibleText | oh no he dint |
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| 19:33.52 | thomerz | hi, how do i set an application as default for a filetype? |
| 19:34.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you fix them ? |
| 19:34.09 | deadcat | thomerz: what you talking bout willis? |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | mith: don't cry .. you were dead on :) |
| 19:34.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you buy any candles ? |
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| 19:34.43 | abrotman | thomerz: in what ? |
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| 19:34.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha i doubt hed ship to switzerland, besides we have bulbs already here |
| 19:34.58 | thomerz | deadcat, i want xine to play my .avi files by default instead of totem |
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| 19:35.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: fix what? a few bugs, yes |
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| 19:35.11 | deadcat | thomerz: xine blah.avi |
| 19:35.22 | Pego | mjk64: i can't Chain find command with && ? i walways get a find: missing argument to `-exec' since i don't put a ; :/ |
| 19:35.33 | thomerz | abrotman, in gnome |
| 19:35.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: if only i wasn't so lazy i'd quit this place, finish the exercises of the book and the version 1 of livecd.gnustep.org |
| 19:35.47 | thomerz | deadcat, yes, but it would be nice if it works on doubleclick |
| 19:36.07 | deadcat | thomerz: well. if you want doubleclick. you click around your manager and find out. (= |
| 19:36.26 | mjk64 | Pego: Example: find / -iname 'whatever*' -exec cmd {} \; |
| 19:36.27 | concept10 | I need to mount a FAT drive on my server but I cant remember the device name, how do I discover this with lshw? |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | thomerz: right click on the item .. go to properties .. click open with .. pick the one you want |
| 19:36.46 | tarzeau | haha it's fun, how short lived software is: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=triance |
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| 19:36.57 | abrotman | concept10: fdisk /dev/<device> |
| 19:36.59 | abrotman | err |
| 19:37.00 | Pego | mjk64 yeah but i want chain 5 find like that but all wait before the first have finish |
| 19:37.01 | mjk64 | Pego: But you can also do this: find / -iname 'whatever*' -print0 | xargs -0 cmd |
| 19:37.02 | abrotman | concept10: fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | duh |
| 19:37.03 | thomerz | abrotman, doesn't work, i thought i can set this in a file |
| 19:37.21 | mjk64 | Pego: Can you tell us exactly what you want to accomplish? |
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| 19:37.26 | abrotman | thomerz: what do you mean it doesn't work ? |
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| 19:37.30 | deadcat | world domination. |
| 19:37.37 | abrotman | that's how everyone i've ever told changes it |
| 19:37.46 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 19:37.47 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, abrotman |
| 19:37.51 | mjk64 | Pego: Do you want to logically "AND" your find search expressions? |
| 19:37.54 | Pego | mjk64: something like find PORTFOLIO/ -name '*\ *' -exec rename 's/\ /-/g' {} \ && find PORTFOLIO/ -name '*\ *' -exec rename 's/\ /-/g' {} \; |
| 19:37.57 | thomerz | abrotman, if i select open with... and xine, nautilus tells me that the application cannot be added to the application database |
| 19:38.34 | concept10 | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:38.36 | mjk64 | Pego: You're missing the first semicolon after '\' |
| 19:38.40 | abrotman | thomerz: for what kind of file ? |
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| 19:38.48 | fishman | Does it matter what file I edit in the /etc/modutils dir? |
| 19:38.55 | mjk64 | Pego: And actually ... |
| 19:38.56 | thomerz | abrotman, .avi for example |
| 19:38.57 | fevel | I just downloaded the debian iso...how do I install sid? |
| 19:38.59 | Pego | mjk64 yes but i i put it the second cmd will not wait till the first is finish :/ |
| 19:39.11 | abrotman | thomerz: i wonder if they have to have gnome bindings .. what about using totem instead ? |
| 19:39.21 | abrotman | !tell fevel about iyhtays |
| 19:39.31 | mjk64 | Pego: Err, the above example ... do you want to replace spaces (" ") by dashes ("-")? |
| 19:39.46 | thomerz | abrotman, totem has not that picture quality as xine has |
| 19:39.53 | Pego | mjk64 yes sir |
| 19:39.57 | mjk64 | Pego: =) |
| 19:40.13 | Pego | mjk64: i want do that with ?() and space |
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| 19:40.38 | abrotman | thomerz: which backend are you using for totem .. gstreamer or xine ? |
| 19:40.41 | valdyn | thomerz: step by step, what exactly are you entering for xine? |
| 19:40.44 | mrnull | Will someone else running testing try: apt-get update; apt-get install k3b? |
| 19:40.53 | mrnull | I'm getting unmet dependency errors |
| 19:41.03 | Pego | mjk64: so i do 5 find and replace like you seen but when i execute them in a script the second start say that some dir don't exixt since the first command have modified it see ? |
| 19:41.09 | thomerz | abrotman, i've tried it with gstreamer and xine, but both haven't the quality of xine |
| 19:41.17 | deadcat | mrnull: kde support sucks on testing/unstable. just wait for it |
| 19:41.19 | thomerz | valdyn, only 'xine' |
| 19:41.27 | fevel | [abrotman]: why shouldnt I?? im trying to set up a desktop debian system |
| 19:41.27 | abrotman | dpkg: What \are we going to do tonight? is <reply>$who: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 19:41.29 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 19:41.31 | valdyn | thomerz: try /usr/bin/xine |
| 19:41.54 | abrotman | fevel: if you have to ask us how to do it .. please don't .. you'll only cause headaches for yourself and us :) |
| 19:41.54 | mrnull | deadcat: cool. thnx |
| 19:42.03 | thomerz | valdyn, same problem |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | thomerz: how can xine not have the picture quality of xine ? |
| 19:42.08 | mrnull | deadcat: know of a good gnome alternative? |
| 19:42.11 | mjk64 | Pego: Err ... yyyes. I think I know what you mean, the if you add the missing ';' after the first "'s/\ /-/g' {} \", then it should wait. |
| 19:42.19 | valdyn | thomerz: dpkg -l xine |
| 19:42.19 | tarzeau | [2] + illegal hardware instruction firefox |
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| 19:42.22 | valdyn | thomerz: dpkg -l xine-ui |
| 19:42.27 | thomerz | abrotman, don't know, but it is easy to see |
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| 19:42.42 | Pego | mjk64: :/ so there is something wrong :( |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | thomerz: does totem pass options to xine ? |
| 19:43.00 | thomerz | valdyn, 0.99.3- |
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| 19:43.17 | valdyn | thomerz: i just wanted to see if it is installed or not. |
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| 19:43.42 | thomerz | valdyn, yes it is, i can watch avi files with it, but can't select it as default player |
| 19:44.16 | thomerz | abrotman, i don't know :/ |
| 19:44.47 | valdyn | thomerz: which debian release are you on? |
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| 19:45.09 | black | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.30 | chino2 | i did 'apt-get remove apache2' but yet apache2 is still in my system... |
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| 19:45.43 | ivopz | black check out gimp's license you will find the answer |
| 19:45.44 | deadcat | --purge |
| 19:45.45 | thomerz | valdyn, sid |
| 19:45.48 | Azar | abrotman, I am curious, if someone independent of Debian development decides to write then distribute an app like ProShield, is that OK with Debian team? |
| 19:45.52 | deadcat | chino2: dpkg -P apache2 |
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| 19:47.01 | chino2 | deadcat: E: Invalid operation apache2 |
| 19:47.02 | Pego | mjk64: http://pastebin.com/449929 grrrr they don't waut |
| 19:47.03 | Pego | wait |
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| 19:47.19 | Azar | I am asking because the place where I downloaded that program from is not an official site, like say sourceforge, the url say hacker7.net |
| 19:47.20 | mjk64 | Pego: First, you should modify your search expression: find PORTFOLIO -iregex '.*\( \|?\|(\|)\).*' |
| 19:47.35 | valdyn | thomerz: i think you might have broken permissions somewhere |
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| 19:47.41 | chino2 | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed. |
| 19:47.46 | chino2 | deadcat: |
| 19:47.47 | mjk64 | Pego: This find call should find all names with ?, ' ', and (/) |
| 19:47.48 | Pego | mjk64k |
| 19:47.54 | chino2 | its installed though! |
| 19:48.01 | valdyn | thomerz: but i can only check in sarge ( gnome 2.8 and gnome 2.12 ), not your 2.10 |
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| 19:48.46 | deadcat | chino2: dpkg -l apache2 ; what does it say? |
| 19:49.03 | Azar | in one word: is it ok to download/install apps not endorsed/offered by the Debian archive? |
| 19:49.08 | abrotman | Azar: not much they can do about it |
| 19:49.13 | chino2 | deadcat: which part ? |
| 19:49.18 | EdibleText | Azar, you can install whatever you want |
| 19:49.35 | Azar | EdibleText, not quite so, this is not mswindows |
| 19:49.43 | deadcat | chino2: the first field |
| 19:49.45 | chino2 | deadcat: http://pastebin.com/449936 |
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| 19:49.58 | valdyn | thomerz: cat /var/log/syslog | grep gconf | grep <your_user_name> |
| 19:50.12 | EdibleText | Azar, hows that? |
| 19:50.17 | mjk64 | Pego: Err ... your script seems to work as expected, at least regarding the command chain. |
| 19:50.22 | mjk64 | Pego: What's your error message? |
| 19:50.33 | deadcat | chino2: ya dpkg -P apache2 SHOULD do the trick. |
| 19:50.41 | EdibleText | Azar, i dint know we were talking about windows |
| 19:50.42 | Azar | EdibleText, some apps might say they do such and such and one ends up having the machine owned |
| 19:50.51 | chino2 | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed. |
| 19:51.05 | mjk64 | Pego: If you put a line like "echo Starting next find ..." after each sleep, you will see that all find commands start sequentially. |
| 19:51.26 | deadcat | chino2: then just rm the dirs and stuff. |
| 19:51.28 | chino2 | wtf is going on i even installed it again then removed it |
| 19:51.31 | Pego | mjk64: not bad idea |
| 19:51.40 | chino2 | and stuff.... |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | chino2: dpkg -P apache2-common |
| 19:51.45 | EdibleText | Azar, its the responsibility of the operator to make the right choices |
| 19:51.51 | deadcat | abrotman: ah |
| 19:52.05 | Azar | EdibleText thank you for your advice, I did not know that |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | chino2: man apt-get .. man dpkg .. read about Purge vs. Remove |
| 19:52.12 | chino2 | abrotman: can i tell it to remove the things that depend on it ? |
| 19:52.28 | chino2 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of apache2-common: |
| 19:52.28 | fishman | How can I configure the nforce2 audio drivers from nvidia for Debian? The docs don't include instructions for Debian. |
| 19:52.41 | chino2 | how do i force them to be removed in one shot ? |
| 19:52.48 | nixie | fishman: why not use the alsa driver in the kernel? |
| 19:52.48 | deadcat | chino2: apt-get remove --purge apache2-common |
| 19:53.10 | chino2 | dpkg: need an action option |
| 19:53.11 | fishman | nixie: That would imply that I have to use dmix, which does not work. |
| 19:53.12 | Azar | I have learned myself a lesson, thank you abrotman: no more outside Debian archives applications |
| 19:53.18 | chino2 | oh sorry |
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| 19:53.35 | mrnull | Anyone know how to play windows media (audio) streams in firefox in linux? |
| 19:53.37 | Pego | mjk64: damn yeah but how can i still have find: No such file or directory :/ like they read one time then then parse the 5 thing and not take the change between each remplace |
| 19:53.42 | chino2 | thats did it ! |
| 19:53.45 | abrotman | chino2: it might anyways .. |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | chino2: it got all of them ? |
| 19:53.52 | chino2 | can i query my db to see if anything apache related packages exist ? |
| 19:53.53 | EdibleText | mrnull, mozplugger |
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| 19:53.57 | EdibleText | !mozplugger |
| 19:53.58 | abrotman | chino2: dpkg -l |
| 19:54.03 | EdibleText | !moz-plugger |
| 19:54.07 | EdibleText | meh |
| 19:54.10 | abrotman | !edibletext |
| 19:54.19 | abrotman | dpkg: what do you want to do tonight? |
| 19:54.29 | mrnull | EdibleText: Awesome. Thanks again |
| 19:54.32 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 19:54.32 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 19:54.33 | chino2 | great thanks guys! |
| 19:54.35 | deadcat | EdibleText: how is mozplugger diff from mozilla-mplayer? |
| 19:54.39 | deadcat | or advantages |
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| 19:54.49 | fishman | Nobody with a "HOWTO" for configuring the sound driver? |
| 19:54.50 | dpkg | nobody is awake, with a "HOWTO" for configuring the sound driver |
| 19:54.53 | mjk64 | Pego: I think the problem is "rename". Where does that come from? |
| 19:55.11 | abrotman | dpkg: ? |
| 19:55.27 | mrnull | fishman: install alsa-utils (and it's dependencies) and run alsaconf? |
| 19:55.29 | EdibleText | deadcat, well i cant compare the two but for example if you open a pdf youll invoke, say xpdf, as antoher tab |
| 19:55.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why is dpkg answering to "Nobody with a "HOWTO" for configuring the sound driver?" ? |
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| 19:56.08 | Pego | mjk64: debian ? :/ |
| 19:56.35 | fishman | mrnull: That's all? Great |
| 19:56.38 | Pego | mjk64: i didn't manage to use sed or something else:( |
| 19:56.39 | mjk64 | Pego: Ah, never used that. |
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| 19:56.53 | haveno | hi folks, I need to run the debian´s rescue disk...but I donno how...is it inside the disc 1 (install) ? |
| 19:56.53 | dpkg | Many greetings, folks, I need to run the debian´s rescue disk...but I donno how...is it inside the disc 1 (install), most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 19:56.58 | valdyn | !literal CMD: nobody (*.?) |
| 19:57.00 | Pego | mjk64: to be honest it perhaps come from a package i have get |
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| 19:57.09 | valdyn | !literal CMD: nobody (.*?) |
| 19:57.09 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: nobody (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> nobody (is (home,|awake,|perfect,|listening to you,|watching you,)|knows (but jebus,|the troubles i've seen,|what you are talking about,|anything about that,)) $1" |
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| 19:57.19 | fishman | mrnull: I have alsa-utils installed, but alsaconf does not exists. |
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| 19:57.24 | fishman | *exist |
| 19:57.35 | mjk64 | Pego: It's part of perl (as you can see with "dpkg -S rename") |
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| 19:58.26 | Pego | mjk64: you have a another solution ? :/ |
| 19:58.29 | valdyn | dpkg, forget CMD: hi (.*?) |
| 19:58.29 | dpkg | i forgot cmd: hi (.*?), valdyn |
| 19:58.34 | mjk64 | Pego: Yes, wait. |
| 19:58.46 | valdyn | dpkg, forget CMD: nobody (.*?) |
| 19:58.46 | fishman | It's sbin is not in my path somehow. |
| 19:58.52 | EdibleText | hi - even mark shuttleworth says this? even mark shuttleworth says this? |
| 19:59.12 | EdibleText | perhaps its gone |
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| 20:00.14 | abrotman | valdyn: but it wasn't directed at dpkg |
| 20:00.20 | kingsley | fishman: /usr/sbin/alsaconf should be in the alsa-utils package. What does "ls -l /usr/sbin/alsaconf" report? |
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| 20:00.33 | EdibleText | abrotman, thats the scooby do mystery |
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| 20:00.40 | EdibleText | doo even |
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| 20:00.48 | predius_ | is there a way to get the debian patched source of .12? |
| 20:00.51 | predius_ | is it in testing? |
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| 20:01.17 | fishman | mrnull: Why do you suggest alsa conf when that installs the opensource driver? I want to have SoundStorm support... |
| 20:01.18 | valdyn | abrotman: look at the factoid, it has #debian in front, that is due to some placeholder that 'literal' wont show and which seems to make dpkg respond without being talked to |
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| 20:01.42 | hruske | hey, what's with alsa in unstable? seems broken? |
| 20:01.55 | abrotman | !factinfo cmd: nobody (.*?) |
| 20:01.55 | dpkg | CMD: nobody (.*?) -- last modified at Tue Oct 5 06:52:17 2004 by nvz!~enveezee@68.185.202.200; it has been requested once, last by fishman, 7m 5s ago. |
| 20:01.55 | EdibleText | !literal CMD: do (.*?) |
| 20:01.55 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: do (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (does|refuses to do|eagerly does|reluctantly agrees to do|wonders why (he|she|it|they|we|you|those smelly goats) should do|wouldn't dream of doing) $1" |
| 20:02.00 | CountZ | can someone remind me please how to fetch a certain package from the 'unstable' branch when i'm running stable? (I want to get just the newer shorewall, sine 2.x.x is no longer supported) |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | do EdibleText |
| 20:02.22 | EdibleText | do EdibleText |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | see .. that doesn't happen |
| 20:02.37 | valdyn | do la |
| 20:02.37 | EdibleText | do EdibleText foo foo foo fo ofoodfo foof ofoo fofoo foof ofo foo fofofof of ofo fof |
| 20:02.42 | valdyn | do la. - |
| 20:02.52 | mjk64 | Pego: find ! -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/( |\?|\(|\))/-/g' |
| 20:03.02 | Tak | CountZ: apt-get install blah/unstable |
| 20:03.03 | mjk64 | Pego: This should do it. |
| 20:03.12 | CountZ | Tak: Thanks |
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| 20:03.40 | mjk64 | Pego: Err ... after the first '(', there's a space ... possible that your IRC client wraps there. :-) |
| 20:03.43 | EdibleText | does I put module options in /etc/modprobe.conf or in |
| 20:03.46 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.46 | valdyn | !do ed |
| 20:03.51 | EdibleText | hmm |
| 20:03.52 | MrBallZ | hiyaz |
| 20:04.14 | Pego | mjk64: thank a check that ! |
| 20:04.15 | hent | is the site dpkg gives on !fdisk the officcial fdisk page? :S |
| 20:04.22 | CountZ | tak: when I add the unstable sources, how do I tell the system not to use them in general? |
| 20:04.47 | Pego | mjk64: find ! ? what does it mean ? |
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| 20:04.50 | EdibleText | do EdibleText foo foo foo fo ofoodfo foof ofoo fofoo foof ofo foo fofofof of ofo fof? |
| 20:04.53 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:04.57 | EdibleText | the "?" |
| 20:04.58 | valdyn | CountZ: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:05.17 | fishman | kingsley: Do you have any idea of how I install the nforce2 sound drivers(thus the non-opensource drivers)? |
| 20:05.21 | mjk64 | Pego: '!' means: invert the match, i. e. find everything that does /not/ match "-type d". |
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| 20:05.34 | EdibleText | do abrotman ? |
| 20:05.49 | EdibleText | do abrotman? |
| 20:05.50 | fishman | (I mean configure) |
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| 20:06.03 | fevel | when should I use apt-get upgrade?? |
| 20:06.05 | EdibleText | i think the length has something to do with it |
| 20:06.07 | kingsley | fishman: I'd google for insight. |
| 20:06.15 | Tak | fevel: when you want to upgrade... |
| 20:06.30 | Pego | mjk64: ho okay but i have togive him the path no ? find /dir ! ... ? |
| 20:06.41 | fishman | kingsley: I have done that, but ik looks like nobody uses Debian. |
| 20:06.46 | orchid | CountZ: ask dpkg about pinning, mixing like that is not reccomended though and could well break your system. |
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| 20:06.58 | mrnull | EdibleText: did you have any trouble setting up mozplugger? I can't get it to launch any media in firefox |
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| 20:06.59 | fevel | [Tak]: whell I just installed a fresh system, added repositories of sid etch AND sarge, should I? |
| 20:07.14 | mjk64 | Pego: Yeah, "find PORTFOLIO ! -type d ...". If you leave that out, find takes the current directory. |
| 20:07.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's the stupid "respond without being asked" bug again. |
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| 20:07.45 | EdibleText | mrnull, it seemed automagic for me.. but i had mplayer and stuff setup prior to installing |
| 20:07.48 | Pego | mjk64: wow many many No such file or directory in 1 sec |
| 20:07.50 | mjk64 | Pego: And for "-type d": man -P'less -p -type' find ... but I guess you already found that out. :-) |
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| 20:08.00 | mjk64 | Pego: Whaaat? |
| 20:08.07 | kingsley | fishman: What keywords did you google for? |
| 20:08.17 | dusk | i am trying to print to a network printer.. but I get this message (even though I FOUND the printer and installed the driver) Printing: Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED) |
| 20:08.20 | mjk64 | Pego: Well, maybe those are symlinks pointing to inexistent files? |
| 20:08.24 | Pego | mjk64: just a sec |
| 20:08.28 | mrnull | EdibleText: Ahh.. I just need to wait until MPlayer gets friendly with testing. |
| 20:08.34 | Pego | mjk64: nono :/ |
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| 20:08.46 | mjk64 | Pego: Maybe you should replace "! -type d" with "-type f" |
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| 20:09.11 | mjk64 | Pego: I tried the find-line I gave you above here in a test directory, and it seems to work perfectly. |
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| 20:09.15 | EdibleText | mrnull, try viewing a pdf online. youll need xpdf or something. |
| 20:09.25 | kingsley | fishman: When I google for nforce2 sound driver debian, 39,000 hits are found. |
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| 20:09.44 | Area-51 | when i do "wc -l .bash_profile" it returns "29 .bash_profile", is it possible to just get the 29 and not the rest? |
| 20:09.59 | mjk64 | Area-51: man cut =) |
| 20:09.59 | EdibleText | mrnull, it only launches the supporting application within firefox. youll still need a supporting app |
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| 20:10.05 | Pego | mjk64: Can't rename PORTFOLIO/Zinchenko Ludmila_ Moscow/Home 2004/1.tif PORTFOLIO/Zinchenko-Ludmila_-Moscow/Home-2004/1.tif: |
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| 20:10.07 | Area-51 | mjk64: thanks ;D |
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| 20:10.19 | Pego | mjk64: exemple :( i don't understand myself:( |
| 20:10.28 | fishman | kingsley: also one that has information instead of noise on it? |
| 20:10.28 | kingsley | Area-51: wc -l .bash_profile | gawk '{print $1}' |
| 20:10.37 | CSS-Jon | ok, now after all the stuff that's already happened today, now my xserver won't start |
| 20:10.46 | mjk64 | kingsley: Easier: cat .bash_profile | wc -l |
| 20:10.46 | mjk64 | kingsley: =) |
| 20:10.51 | CSS-Jon | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't do anything at all, and when i try to open gdm it says it's already running |
| 20:10.54 | Pego | mjk64: ls PORTFOLIO/Zinchenko\ Ludmila_\ Moscow/Home\ 2004/1.tif exist |
| 20:11.14 | kingsley | mjk64: Very good. |
| 20:11.21 | mjk64 | Pego: Hm ... Ludmila sounds nice. 8-) |
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| 20:11.52 | kingsley | fishman: I don't understand what you meant to say. |
| 20:11.54 | Pego | mjk64: ahah russian photograph:) |
| 20:11.56 | nixie | CSS-Jon: use the logs, Jon |
| 20:12.08 | mrnull | EdibleText: It didn't open it within the browser, but it did ask me which app I'd like to open it with (xpdf by default) |
| 20:12.10 | mjk64 | Pego: gimme, gimme! 8-P |
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| 20:12.16 | Pego | mjk64:seemsthefind don't like the space in name:( |
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| 20:12.25 | mjk64 | Pego: Impossible. |
| 20:12.31 | Pego | mjk64: ahahashemust be dead or very old :) |
| 20:12.41 | EdibleText | mrnull, has Firefox been restarted after install mozplugger? |
| 20:12.50 | mjk64 | Pego: Dead or old? Oh, then better keep it/him/her. =) |
| 20:12.53 | mrnull | EdibleText: Yeah.. but I'll do it again |
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| 20:13.40 | mjk64 | Pego: Do the following: copy the file to an otherwise empty directory, go to that directory, and type: find (no parameters). If it outputs the name of the file, then find is okay. |
| 20:13.48 | fishman | kingsley: I meant to say that I can't find any page with good instructions. Also, I don't know whether I need to do anything at all with alsa, since the nvidia driver is OSS. |
| 20:14.02 | EdibleText | mrnull, perhaps you want run ps or something something |
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| 20:14.36 | mjk64 | Pego: Paste the command line and the results to pastebin.com or something, so I can see what's happening. |
| 20:15.19 | mrnull | EdibleText: Same problem.. I install mozplugger through apt-get. Let me see if I can apt-get remove -(clean?) |
| 20:15.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ok, should be fixed now. |
| 20:15.35 | dondelelcaro | !who am i |
| 20:15.35 | dpkg | dondelelcaro shut up, you are a nobody |
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| 20:15.44 | mjk64 | !who mummy loves |
| 20:15.52 | mjk64 | Aaaaw. :-( |
| 20:15.58 | mjk64 | :-) |
| 20:16.08 | EdibleText | !pal mjk64 |
| 20:16.09 | Pego | http://pastebin.com/449991 |
| 20:16.37 | mjk64 | Pego: Lemme see ... |
| 20:16.46 | Pego | mjk64:i don't understand ... |
| 20:17.06 | mjk64 | Pego: Err ... yes, that looks perfect. And now do the same with the "find ... | rename ..." command, please. :-) |
| 20:17.11 | Pego | imo rename isn't good:) |
| 20:17.11 | mrnull | Ah.. --purge |
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| 20:17.17 | Pego | k |
| 20:17.25 | kingsley | fishman: Yes, I also encounter vague instructions sometimes. For what it's worth, you may want to a.) refine your key words, possily by including "instructions|simple|worked" or b.) search google's usenet archive. |
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| 20:17.47 | mjk64 | Pego: rename worked *perfectly* here! And I even have to *thank* you for mentioning this command - it's seems to be much better than own solutions. :-) |
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| 20:17.58 | Pego | mjk64: http://pastebin.com/449996 |
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| 20:18.11 | mrnull | EdibleText: Nope.. Mozplugger isn't doing a thing for me. |
| 20:18.20 | mjk64 | Pego: I know you'll be reaching 450000 pastes ;-) |
| 20:18.23 | maxman | Hello. Does anyone know if there are already Firefox 1.5 (final) Debian packages available. |
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| 20:18.53 | Pego | mjk64: bah it's pastebin ) |
| 20:19.01 | kingsley | fishman: Are you interested in using the "nvaudio" driver? |
| 20:19.20 | fishman | kingsley: It's called nvsound |
| 20:19.27 | SplasPood | wtf... 2.6.12-686-SMP gives an OOPS on boot... 2.6.8-686-SMP is fine |
| 20:19.27 | fishman | kingsley: yes |
| 20:19.28 | Pego | mjk64:quick quick i need pastbin 4time |
| 20:19.33 | mjk64 | Pego: Oooooh! *Now* I understand ... |
| 20:19.36 | EdibleText | mrnull, thats unfortunate. it works fine here. testing.. but i havnt updated in a while |
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| 20:19.56 | andihit | n8 |
| 20:19.58 | Pego | mjk64: light come on you |
| 20:19.58 | mjk64 | Pego: Okay, "rename" (by default?) doesn't seem to rename complete paths, only files |
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| 20:20.30 | mjk64 | Pego: Hmm ... |
| 20:20.32 | Pego | ho yeahhh |
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| 20:20.40 | Pego | damn |
| 20:20.41 | mjk64 | Pego: So this line needs a little extra work ... hmmm... |
| 20:21.00 | Pego | hum yeah a bit more ... hmm |
| 20:21.25 | mjk64 | Pego: How many files/dirs are there? |
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| 20:21.47 | mjk64 | Pego: Do a "find PORTFOLIO | wc -l" |
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| 20:22.17 | zelas_metallium | I'm having some trouble getting my sound card to work, it's onboard, and I modprobed in the intel 8x0 bits, but I still can't get alsamixer to run |
| 20:22.18 | Pego | omg 3000 |
| 20:22.24 | dusk | can someone help me get my canon i860 working ? |
| 20:22.30 | mjk64 | Pego: And how fast is your machine? |
| 20:22.45 | Gyuszk | hi guys, I have a folder with tons of files, filenames File1.jpg, File2.jpg, etc, hundreds, I'm looking for a bash script or whatever that will make all the filenames lowcase (file1.jpg, file2.jpg, etc), can you help me? |
| 20:22.46 | Pego | quite good 2600+ 1Go ram |
| 20:22.59 | slushpupie | Gyuszk: man rename |
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| 20:23.03 | maxman | Hello. Does anyone know if there are already Firefox 1.5 (final) Debian packages available. |
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| 20:23.06 | Pego | mjk64: but i don't nee dit take 1 sec but 2 hours is a bit long ... |
| 20:23.13 | mjk64 | Pego: Okay, then we can think about an "find -exec" solution, where perl (called by rename) is called 3000 times. :-) |
| 20:23.25 | Gyuszk | thanks very muck, the same advice on #gentoo ;) |
| 20:23.31 | Gyuszk | *much |
| 20:23.31 | Pego | mjk64:ouch ! you think ? |
| 20:23.32 | edrin | what media player can you recommend? noatun always crashs |
| 20:23.37 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: tell us exactly what you did, not your 'invented' descriptions like intel8x0 bits |
| 20:23.38 | Gyuszk | mplayer |
| 20:23.41 | zelas_metallium | edrin, mplayer |
| 20:23.48 | mjk64 | Pego: Lemme think. =) |
| 20:24.26 | Pego | mjk64: and i dont speak about the thumbnail creation lol |
| 20:24.28 | kingsley | fishman: Have you seen the instructions at the end of http://www.debian.org.hk/node/12603 ? |
| 20:24.32 | sgeigerbot | edrin: why were you using noatun in the first place? Where did you find such an obscure program? |
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| 20:24.45 | zelas_metallium | valdyn, 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' this executed without any error. |
| 20:24.46 | mjk64 | Pego: *gulp* You mean .xvpics directories etc.? |
| 20:25.04 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: and what exactly does not work? |
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| 20:25.25 | zelas_metallium | valdyn, alsamixer fails and says: 'alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device' |
| 20:25.33 | CSS-Jon | when I try to run startx i guess /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 20:25.35 | Pego | mjk64: every probleme one after one :) but i need create in every dir a dir with every pics smaller :) |
| 20:25.49 | Pego | mjk64: but this is another story :) |
| 20:25.54 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: which debian release are you on |
| 20:26.06 | ScreaminIke | my x has been really crapping out on me lately |
| 20:26.17 | ScreaminIke | locking up all menues and my keyboard |
| 20:26.28 | EdibleText | Pego, imagemagick |
| 20:26.35 | ScreaminIke | onlything i CAN do is three-finger-salute it |
| 20:26.38 | Beik | What's up with apt-get.org? |
| 20:26.44 | Beik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.07 | Pego | EdibleText: yeah for sure but i haven't read eneugh wet. i mean i can't know how many dir and sub-dir they wil be ... :/ |
| 20:27.10 | mjk64 | Pego: I have the first step in the solution: find -type d|sort ... this gives you a list where dirs are sorted this way: dir, dir/sub1, dir/sub2, ... dir/sub1/subsub1, dir/sub1/subsub2, ... so we can first rename all directories, and after that all files. |
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| 20:27.17 | kingsley | ScreaminIke: Has anything changed recently, such as new hardware or software? Have you checked X's log file? |
| 20:27.39 | Pego | mjk64: ho seems a good idea |
| 20:28.08 | zelas_metallium | I'm actually on ubuntu, but thier help is about as helpful as a stick in the face, so I figured I'd come here. I understand that noone here is obligated to help me, but given that they are kissin' cousins, I figured debian people might be more succinct and able. |
| 20:28.08 | EdibleText | Pego, a for loop mkdir and convert (part of imagemagick) will prolly do it |
| 20:28.48 | kingsley | zelas_metallium: Duly noted. |
| 20:28.53 | fishman | kingsley: Those instructions seem to imply that I have to recompile my kernel without ALSA support. |
| 20:28.58 | kingsley | zelas_metallium: What's up? |
| 20:29.08 | Pego | EdibleText: i think yeah but you seens my skill in bash lol will not be quite easy for me :) i mean how loop on dir ? :/ |
| 20:29.26 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 20:29.26 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 20:29.54 | fishman | valdyn: "not ALSA" |
| 20:30.03 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: your probably already have hotplug or 'discover', dont need discover1 specifically |
| 20:30.03 | mjk64 | Pego: "rename" renames directories, good! |
| 20:30.15 | valdyn | fishman: yep, that wasnt for you |
| 20:30.23 | fishman | valdyn: oh, ok. Sorry |
| 20:30.28 | EdibleText | pego for i in <blah> ; do <flooz>; done |
| 20:30.44 | Pego | mjk64: ho i haven't think of the other case :) |
| 20:30.50 | kingsley | fishman: Perhaps you could find clarification by googling the web and usenet for the string "modprobe nvsound". |
| 20:30.58 | mjk64 | Pego: Hm? |
| 20:31.05 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: lsmod <-paste somewhere |
| 20:31.11 | fishman | kingsley: what can I safely delete from the modutils dir? |
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| 20:31.27 | zelas_metallium | kingsley, well, I can't get any sound app to find any sound devices. and I don't recognise the device IDs given for the sound device in lspci. |
| 20:31.36 | Pego | EdibleText: like in for img in `ls *.jpg` do convert -sample 800x600 $img large/$img done ? |
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| 20:31.51 | fishman | kingsley: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_nForce2_hw_mixing |
| 20:31.51 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: run update-pciids ( as root ) |
| 20:31.59 | fishman | kingsley: I am getting somewhere :) |
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| 20:33.15 | kingsley | fishman: How did you find that gem? |
| 20:33.39 | Rus0 | hi everyone |
| 20:33.40 | fishman | kingsley: using your suggestion. |
| 20:33.53 | Rus0 | having trouble with dist-upgrade |
| 20:34.05 | fishman | kingsley: But still this is Gentoo, and I don't know what all parts of Debian are. |
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| 20:34.30 | slushpupie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.38 | valdyn | Rus0: then dont dist-upgrade ( unless you're coming from <=woody ) |
| 20:34.58 | ScreaminIke | you check the ubuntu rep, slush? |
| 20:34.58 | Gyuszk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.08 | Rus0 | its not it |
| 20:35.14 | valdyn | slushpupie: have you looked at http://www.backports.org/ |
| 20:35.16 | slushpupie | Gyuszk: rename is what you want |
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| 20:35.18 | kingsley | zelas_metallium: Someone has written a decent sound howto file for linux. If you haven't done so already, I suggest googling for it. |
| 20:35.19 | Rus0 | i cant upgrade openoffice |
| 20:35.32 | Pego | mjk64: don't die for me hé :) |
| 20:35.39 | Rus0 | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz', which is also in package openoffice.org-debian-files |
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| 20:35.45 | Rus0 | error code 1 |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | zelas_metallium: if you are as cooperative in #ubuntu then im not suprised they cant help you. i asked a TON of information. |
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| 20:35.56 | slushpupie | valdyn: cool.. didnt know they had it. Wasnt there last time I checked. Thanks |
| 20:36.04 | Rus0 | tried the -f and others |
| 20:36.08 | valdyn | slushpupie: uh, its jus a guess |
| 20:36.14 | azeem | valdyn: there is |
| 20:36.22 | slushpupie | valdyn: as of the 23rd its there |
| 20:36.29 | valdyn | I see |
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| 20:36.57 | slushpupie | valdyn: i386 only, but thats easy to fix |
| 20:37.08 | Rus0 | how do i make apt-get forget about the OO package |
| 20:37.09 | valdyn | slushpupie: nah |
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| 20:37.20 | valdyn | slushpupie: if you want oo for amd64, forget it |
| 20:37.28 | slushpupie | valdyn: ppc |
| 20:37.30 | Rus0 | im upgrading from testing to unstable |
| 20:37.33 | valdyn | slushpupie: ah, i see |
| 20:37.41 | slushpupie | should port easy enough |
| 20:37.47 | mrnull | How dangerous is it to upgrade from testing to unstable? |
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| 20:37.59 | kingsley | Rus0: Are you seeing an error message? |
| 20:38.05 | Rus0 | yep |
| 20:38.20 | Wanderer | hmmm vmware is now howrked after latest update |
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| 20:38.35 | Rus0 | its on #flood |
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| 20:38.45 | fishman | kingsley: no, I have no idea of what exactly I need to do in Debian to get the same result. |
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| 20:39.04 | Kluster_v2 | mrnull, it's not that dangerous.. the computer rarely explode killing the user |
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| 20:39.25 | kingsley | fishman: Are you new to Linux? |
| 20:39.39 | Gokee2 | Can anyone sugest something other then xdm? I want to be able to choose my window manager on the fly |
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| 20:40.08 | azeem | Gokee2: gdm or kdm |
| 20:40.12 | kingsley | Gokee2: kdm and gdm. |
| 20:40.20 | Rus0 | kingsley: any ideas? |
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| 20:40.21 | valdyn | Rus0: use dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org_2.0.0-4_i386.deb |
| 20:40.24 | karsten | Gokee2: ... or wdm |
| 20:40.25 | fishman | kingsley: no, but look at the bottom of the page. These are all gentoo commands. |
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| 20:40.49 | Gokee2 | ok thanks I will try them :) |
| 20:40.52 | mjk64 | Pego: Was on the loo, sorry. :-) |
| 20:40.56 | kingsley | Rus0: I just joined #flood. Please post it there again. |
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| 20:42.02 | deadcat | slim is the next big thing when it comes to display managers. |
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| 20:42.26 | deadcat | 'hopefully someone is gonna maintain the pkg.. fuck i need slim |
| 20:42.26 | netcrusher88 | is there a package in the debian repository for BlueJ? |
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| 20:42.52 | deadcat | netcrusher88: if you cant apt-cache search. then no. it doesnt exist. |
| 20:42.54 | Pego | mjk64: on the loo ? :) my english is bad :) |
| 20:42.57 | netcrusher88 | damn |
| 20:43.23 | Rus0 | thanx kingsley but it seems the problem is solved |
| 20:43.26 | mjk64 | Pego: On the toilet. :-) "loo" is ... colloquial English or even slang. =) |
| 20:43.32 | Rus0 | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org_2.0.0-4_i386.deb worked |
| 20:44.17 | Rus0 | i was root why couldnt overwrite? |
| 20:44.32 | myren | Whoops. I joined #debian efnet. Its really weird. |
| 20:44.40 | valdyn | Rus0: you can, but its illigal for packages to overwrite each otheres files |
| 20:44.44 | fishman | kingsley: but for you it is completely trivial? |
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| 20:45.11 | myren | Apt 0.4 is wacky man, it tried to tell you what its doing & stuff. |
| 20:45.13 | apt | ...but 0.4 is already something else... |
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| 20:45.16 | Pego | mjk64 ho lol sorry yeah :) |
| 20:45.18 | Rus0 | i see |
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| 20:45.28 | valdyn | !0.4 |
| 20:45.35 | raden | is there anything like ACT contact management for linux ? |
| 20:45.36 | valdyn | @0.4 |
| 20:45.37 | kingsley | fishman: Oh, it's not trivial for me. |
| 20:45.41 | valdyn | ~0.4 |
| 20:45.42 | apt | from memory, 0.4 is lart 2.0.4 + 115200 console and 230400 baud support added. |
| 20:46.07 | myren | what is apt talking about? |
| 20:46.32 | myren | Oh, I meant aptitude |
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| 20:47.29 | groogs | is this a bad thing? cat: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Input/output error |
| 20:47.37 | valdyn | groogs: yea |
| 20:47.41 | groogs | :) |
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| 20:48.03 | groogs | running on RAID (mdadm) ... not sure why it would do that though, everything else looks fine (noticed it while running updatedb) |
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| 20:49.02 | groogs | i do kind of remember modifying that file while raid was not active because a kernel upgrade overwrote it without the raid image .. |
| 20:49.13 | groogs | is it safe to just delete it and restore from a backup? |
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| 20:49.52 | valdyn | groogs: you probably want your raid to resync first |
| 20:50.03 | kingsley | fishman: Unfortunately, getting sound to work can be hard, as can using closed source/binary drivers. I suppose you caould either google for what the gentoo commands mean or buy a sound card that supports a common open source driver. |
| 20:50.04 | groogs | valdyn: thats the weird bit, it says it is synched |
| 20:50.11 | mango | hi, I am trying to use send mail for remote emailing just for fun...I would like to ask you what is that i need to have in order to be able to do that? |
| 20:50.15 | valdyn | groogs: sure it does say that |
| 20:50.22 | valdyn | groogs: manually trigger the sync |
| 20:50.24 | myren | groogs: whatever you do, do not restart until you have a working /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:50.31 | kingsley | fishman: s/caould/could/ |
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| 20:50.34 | groogs | myren: yeah thats a given |
| 20:50.35 | myren | grub might be smart enough not to die miserably without it, but thats a big gamble |
| 20:50.38 | groogs | valdyn: how do i do that? |
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| 20:50.40 | valdyn | groogs: its not each boot checking the WHOLE raid to see if you fucked something manually |
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| 20:50.51 | valdyn | groogs: man mdadm |
| 20:51.02 | EdibleText | mango, an MTA and an MUA |
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| 20:51.27 | fishman | kingsley: Hmm, ok it works :D |
| 20:51.27 | EdibleText | mango, you probably already have these, if you are running debian. |
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| 20:52.04 | dusk | i want to download tv episodes from newsgroups, whats a program that will download and repair using par2? |
| 20:52.15 | mango | EdibleText: I though that sendmail is an MTA, which I have and i am running mutt as MUA on debian |
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| 20:52.22 | valdyn | dusk: /j #warez |
| 20:52.32 | dusk | tv episodes are not warez |
| 20:52.45 | fishman | Legal tv episodes? |
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| 20:52.54 | fishman | Where do you get those? ;) |
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| 20:53.00 | EdibleText | mango, correct. usually exim is the default. |
| 20:53.04 | bartden | hi, can someone pls give me a good Samba PDC howto |
| 20:53.08 | nvz_ | afaik nothing on tv with the exception of educational programming is legal to copy |
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| 20:53.20 | myren | dusk: there's a category of packages called news. news for newsgroup. |
| 20:53.27 | EdibleText | mango, its rather easy to set up as well |
| 20:53.28 | dusk | so.. if I had a VCR, and i was watching tv, I couldnt press record? |
| 20:53.30 | fishman | Yes, copyright infringement. |
| 20:53.44 | fishman | dusk: You can do that, you just can't distribute. |
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| 20:53.47 | mango | EdibleTest: exim is the dafault MUA or MTA? |
| 20:53.52 | nvz_ | dusk: you could, but you could also be sued if you redistrubute |
| 20:53.53 | fishman | dusk: that's called fair use. |
| 20:53.55 | netcrusher88 | when i run xterm locally, it does white on black, but when I run it over VNC it does black on white, despite settings passed on the command line; how to fix? |
| 20:53.59 | EdibleText | mango, MTA |
| 20:54.02 | groogs | nvz_: what makes 'educational programming' excempt from copyright protection? |
| 20:54.05 | myren | if i have my friend's cd over, and i hit copy,...? =] |
| 20:54.13 | dusk | exactly |
| 20:54.20 | hefty_ | hi |
| 20:54.23 | netcrusher88 | groogs: fair use: educational use |
| 20:54.39 | mango | EdibleTExt: do you recommend me using exim instead? |
| 20:54.42 | nvz_ | groogs: I have no idea.. but they have channels like channel 1 news that is intended for school use, and it says its allowed to be copied and used for education |
| 20:54.45 | myren | you can get away with a lot declaring something as for educational use. original intent be damned |
| 20:54.47 | EdibleText | mango, yes |
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| 20:55.10 | mango | EdibleText: thanks |
| 20:55.15 | Pego | mjk64: i don't understand find already sort item as we can rename first the main folder andthen the other thing |
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| 20:55.29 | nvz_ | groogs: in any case its not copying they are worried about when people copyright/patent things.. its making money off redistribution that they are worried about |
| 20:55.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 20:55.40 | groogs | nvz_: yeah ok, but thats because the licence on it specifically says it can be copied. not all 'educational programs' have a licence/copyright like that, and at the same time, other things besides 'educational programs' can do that |
| 20:55.42 | rob4389 | has anyone downloaded Debian via Bit Torrent??? |
| 20:55.55 | Pego | mjk64: we must make loop wc -l time ? |
| 20:56.00 | EdibleText | distribution rights are a big deal |
| 20:56.02 | dusk | rob4389: no one, ever |
| 20:56.12 | slibs | ;D |
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| 20:56.24 | groogs | nvz_: well, that really depends on who you talk to .. Sony, BMG etc don't want you to copy ANYTHING for ANY purpose (fair use? whats that?) ... but thats a whole 'nother can of worms ;) |
| 20:56.35 | rob4389 | I just need to know what Bit Torrent program(s) is/are the best |
| 20:56.37 | mango | EdibleTExt: what is the default MUA with debiam |
| 20:56.41 | mango | ? |
| 20:56.47 | dusk | rob4389: for what OS |
| 20:56.52 | mjk64 | Pego: Wait, I think I got the solution, just writing a small script. :-) |
| 20:56.54 | rob4389 | WindowsXP |
| 20:57.00 | dusk | rob4389: utorrent |
| 20:57.09 | nvz_ | groogs: oh well, it was the first thing that came to mind |
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| 20:57.13 | EdibleText | mango, not sure but mail mailx and mutt are typically included |
| 20:57.14 | slibs | rob4389: i would use bitcomet |
| 20:57.14 | rob4389 | ok, Thanks Dusk! |
| 20:57.26 | rob4389 | ok |
| 20:57.26 | slibs | doesn't really matter |
| 20:57.27 | Pego | mjk64: ahah okay :) i ll look for thumbs so :) |
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| 20:57.39 | EdibleText | mango, mutt being prefered by myself |
| 20:57.48 | p1r4t3 | bitcomet for linux |
| 20:57.55 | p1r4t3 | utorrent hands down for windows |
| 20:58.01 | mjk64 | Pego: Ok. =) |
| 20:58.03 | fishman | kingsley: I only need to configure mplayer to use hardware mixing. |
| 20:58.11 | rob4389 | Thanks!!!! |
| 20:58.17 | slibs | bitcomet for linux? really? |
| 20:58.44 | slibs | last time i checked out there was just windows version |
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| 20:58.52 | slibs | i've been using azureus since then |
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| 20:59.42 | nvz_ | man I am lit.. I didnt realize it until I got out of bed |
| 20:59.50 | p1r4t3 | oops thought you said bittornado |
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| 20:59.58 | p1r4t3 | azureus is awful |
| 21:00.03 | mango | EdibleText: thanks once again |
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| 21:00.11 | p1r4t3 | unless you have 10 gigs of ram and dont care |
| 21:00.12 | nvz_ | p1r4t3: its java, what do you expect :P |
| 21:00.12 | DogWater | Who's idea was it to release a distribution that doesnt support Cerc and perc cards? |
| 21:00.38 | nvz_ | DogWater: wtf is a Cerc or Perc card? |
| 21:00.48 | mrnull | OK.. another quick question. Best equalizer? |
| 21:00.49 | DogWater | a dell disk system controller |
| 21:00.49 | abrotman | who's idea was it not to include those drivers in the standard kernel ? |
| 21:00.54 | abrotman | nvz_: Dell SHIT |
| 21:01.02 | sussudio | !ridicule DogWater |
| 21:01.02 | dpkg | Are you aware, DogWater, that your uncle was a monkey? |
| 21:01.12 | sussudio | i believe dpkg is right |
| 21:01.17 | abrotman | DogWater: those drivers may not be GPL compatible .. which is why they wouldn't be in a kernel at kernel.org or at debian.org |
| 21:01.21 | EdibleText | wouldnt that be a kernel option or something |
| 21:01.38 | abrotman | DogWater: option .. get a real controller :) |
| 21:01.39 | kingsley | fishman: None of my mplayer documentation contains the string "hardware mix", which leads me to suspect that it may be impossible, or at least poorly or even undocumented. |
| 21:01.41 | DogWater | i just find it hard to believe FreeBSD and 6 of the other distros i've tried can support it |
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| 21:01.48 | DogWater | but debian cant. |
| 21:01.50 | abrotman | DogWater: i just explained why ... |
| 21:01.51 | nvz_ | abrotman: if someone knew or cared, they would be supported right? |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | DogWater: if you're going to troll .. go elsewhere .. or call Dell and complain |
| 21:02.13 | nvz_ | DogWater: freebsd is different. any other linux distro is all the same. |
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| 21:02.19 | kingsley | fishman: Normally, I'd expect sound drivers to be configured in the kernel, in a module, or in a sound system, like ALSA or OSS. |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | nvz_: most people are smart enough that they don't buy Dell stuff .. it's all garbage |
| 21:02.23 | nvz_ | DogWater: like abrotman said, dont troll here |
| 21:02.33 | DogWater | Nobody is trolling, its just ridiculous. |
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| 21:02.47 | abrotman | DogWater: either that .. or you don't know what you're doing .. i have a dell with the PERC card natively supported .. |
| 21:02.59 | DogWater | was it from 1983? |
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| 21:03.03 | abrotman | the CERC cards are crap |
| 21:03.10 | DogWater | yeah everything is crap if you dont have one |
| 21:03.12 | DogWater | right? |
| 21:03.12 | abrotman | the older PERC work fine .. dunno about anything recent |
| 21:03.17 | EdibleText | DogWater, its the kernel. patch and compile for support of you unfortunatly liscened hardware |
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| 21:03.27 | abrotman | no . it's crap .. and i don't buy them because they're crap |
| 21:03.42 | nvz_ | abrotman: let him know about our refund policy :P |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | or perhaps you can't read? |
| 21:03.52 | abrotman | !dell |
| 21:03.53 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 21:04.32 | abrotman | DogWater: the PERC i have is actually megaraid .. which probably makes a big difference |
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| 21:04.38 | Kluster_v2 | Dell makes great computers as long as you keep it the exact way they shipped it to you.. DO NOT INSTALL ANYTHING ! |
| 21:04.46 | EdibleText | holy crap its takes a while to rsync 130gigs of stuff |
| 21:04.49 | DogWater | Yeah; well we all know adaptec makes crappy disk controllers, right? |
| 21:04.53 | DogWater | ... |
| 21:04.53 | abrotman | EdibleText: yeah :) |
| 21:05.02 | Kluster_v2 | no wait I'm lying.. they are crap |
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| 21:05.08 | abrotman | Kluster_v2: don't even plug them in! |
| 21:05.10 | mango | EdibleText: sorry man I closed the window without recording the name of the MTA you recomended, could you mention it again please? |
| 21:05.15 | CleeK | megaraid and megaraid_mbox |
| 21:05.26 | Kluster_v2 | abrotman, nah you just keep it in the original box, sealed |
| 21:05.33 | abrotman | oddly .. all the adaptec controllers i've ever tried also work .. |
| 21:05.47 | EdibleText | mango, exim. |
| 21:06.00 | mango | EdibleText: thanks |
| 21:06.05 | nvz_ | abrotman: resiak gave me an idea when I saw him trimming factoids the other day.. dondelelcaro has long since wanted to rewrite the blootbot code to use a different perl module.. a better bot might help the situation in here.. not only do the factiods need cleaned up so that they dont contain non-helpful anecdotes but maybe the bot code needs to enforce proper behavior as well |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 21:06.24 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a mepis user |
| 21:06.26 | CleeK | I had fun to install a debian-amd64 on a dell with a perc4e controller |
| 21:06.33 | sussudio | !clarice abra0xas |
| 21:06.35 | CleeK | I used the etch kernel |
| 21:06.36 | sussudio | :-| |
| 21:06.40 | CleeK | 2.6.12-1 |
| 21:06.52 | nvz_ | abrotman: I am thinking fork blootbot and make a bot tuned to our environment without all the sharp edges |
| 21:07.03 | DogWater | well; the cerc is just a renamed adaptec card. |
| 21:07.09 | DogWater | but *whatever* |
| 21:07.24 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 21:07.24 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 |
| 21:07.31 | valdyn | DogWater: ^^^ |
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| 21:08.38 | abrotman | DogWater: it's a sata controller ... but i don't think it does use the adaptec driver .. |
| 21:08.44 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 21:08.44 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 21:08.56 | jcm | hi all; where could I find a good list of wireless pci cards being handled by unstable packages ? http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html is not useful for this |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | valdyn: sarge 2.6.14 also works |
| 21:09.04 | valdyn | nice |
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| 21:09.16 | mdupont | hi all |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | bah .. they odn't even list the Dell controllers on that page |
| 21:09.34 | abrotman | DogWater: what does lspci say ? |
| 21:10.18 | CleeK | I don't know how to feed dpkg bot, but there is the same CD as above but 64 bits here : http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ |
| 21:10.23 | DogWater | I havent gotten a chance to go into the installer in expert mode yet; i'm certifying this new box for our datacenter |
| 21:10.28 | CleeK | sarge with 2.6.12 |
| 21:10.37 | CleeK | it was very helpful for me |
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| 21:10.46 | abrotman | CleeK: the pure64 installer for sarge has a 2.6.11 iirc |
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| 21:11.09 | CleeK | afaik, megaraid2 is ok since 2.6.12 |
| 21:11.28 | CleeK | and the official 64 bits iso i downloaded didn't boot |
| 21:11.43 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge 2.6.12 is also http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 21:11.43 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 21:12.05 | CleeK | another guy donwnloaded the same iso from elsewhere, and it didn't boot |
| 21:12.07 | nvz_ | I wanted to be gone by now, but I am obviously drunk.. so am tring to wait awhile so I dont get a dui.. getting a DWI/DUI is one thing.. getting one on a pedal bike is another |
| 21:12.30 | CleeK | the debiana-amd64 bit netinstall |
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| 21:12.48 | peritus | is it possible to check what type of memory and if there is any free memory slot in debian? |
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| 21:13.10 | nvz_ | peritus: yeah power down and open the case |
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| 21:13.24 | nvz_ | peritus: or reboot and see the BIOS summary |
| 21:13.37 | mjk64 | Pego: I think I got it. The bash script works here, at least. :-) |
| 21:13.46 | peritus | nvz_: well, thanks, but that was not the question |
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| 21:14.19 | nvz_ | peritus: the question was wrong, the answer was right. Make them match up, or just sit here and get no response at all |
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| 21:14.29 | Pego | mjk64: rooo let me see ! |
| 21:14.52 | peritus | nvz_: thanks for your help, you helped me a lot |
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| 21:14.58 | ixiz | What is the "common" version (stable, testing, unstable) to use of debian on a laptop. I'm installing it now, and will use it for desktop use and probably some programming in a few months |
| 21:15.36 | nvz_ | peritus: it would be cool if you could do these sorts of things, but there is simply no way of knowing.. only the BIOS knows these things, its transparent to the OS |
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| 21:15.51 | mjk64 | Pego: One last check ... |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | nvz_: why not just clean up the bot ? :) |
| 21:15.58 | mjk64 | Pego: And a little documentation ... |
| 21:16.08 | abrotman | nvz_: or help resiak write a new kind of bot! |
| 21:16.17 | sifi | ixiz, sarge=stable, sid=testing |
| 21:16.21 | sifi | or |
| 21:16.28 | peritus | nvz_: i didnt know about that, now you answered my question. thanks |
| 21:16.49 | nvz_ | abrotman: well that is one part of it.. to clean up the factoids.. this can be done just by getting the db from don, but he wanted to port it to a different module.. to make it cleaner and easier to extend |
| 21:17.01 | abrotman | nvz_: and crash less :) |
| 21:17.02 | Bob332 | i have a ppp in my /etc/rc2.d startup , do i or will i ever need this? |
| 21:17.22 | nvz_ | abrotman: so I figure get some steam on rewriting the shitty code, then once that is done and the db is adjusted, work on purging or adapting certain features |
| 21:17.26 | Pego | mjk64: you do thing well :) |
| 21:17.31 | EdibleText | nvz_, just dont bunnhop of the bumper of any patrol cars and you should be alright |
| 21:17.39 | EdibleText | bunny hop even |
| 21:17.45 | abrotman | nvz_: get resiak to help .. his term is over! |
| 21:17.49 | mjk64 | Pego: I try to. :-) |
| 21:17.52 | nvz_ | abrotman: some things like the lart and others are just not fitting into our channel anymore they are being havily misysed |
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| 21:18.05 | wang | HI is it possible to remote desktop from a debian box to a windows 2000 box on the same network? |
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| 21:18.16 | abrotman | !lart nvz_ |
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| 21:18.22 | nvz_ | abrotman: of course the lart never gets used anymore because we all have our own smite :P |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | nvz_: how can you go wrong with that? |
| 21:18.27 | nvz_ | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 21:18.30 | abrotman | !abrotmansmite nvz_ |
| 21:18.30 | Marc1 | hello |
| 21:18.31 | EdibleText | wang, sure |
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| 21:18.40 | wang | EdibleText : how? |
| 21:18.41 | Marc1 | i have a problem with nagios |
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| 21:18.54 | abrotman | wang: apt-cache search rdp |
| 21:19.01 | CleeK | wang : tsclient, rdesktop |
| 21:19.04 | Marc1 | Whoops! Error: Could not read host and service status information! |
| 21:19.07 | EdibleText | vncveiwer on debian; tightvnc set up as server on windows |
| 21:19.15 | puff | if I wanted to do something like: pkg --get-selections --admindir=/old/var/lib/dpkg/ | dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:19.17 | CleeK | wang: krdc |
| 21:19.18 | EdibleText | wang, ohg |
| 21:19.23 | EdibleText | wang, my mistake |
| 21:19.24 | DogWater | abrotman: we're trying to find hardware that has max capability with linux distributions because we cant keep up the pace of building 15 servers every day |
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| 21:19.35 | EdibleText | wang, rewind, strike that |
| 21:19.53 | Marc1 | Whoops! Error: Could not read host and service status information! |
| 21:19.54 | abrotman | DogWater: check IBM.com .. HP has some alternatives also .. i'd avoid Dell if you can ... |
| 21:19.59 | puff | Is there a dpkg flag similar to "apt-get --download-only" |
| 21:20.00 | smagy2 | hello folks, i need some help with port forwarding. there are the following systems , A, B, C, D. D has apache running at port 80. i need to view the webpage on browser on system A. now the access to system D is like this. i ssh "from" A to B, then do a su - (root, ssh keys are there) and then ssh to C and then reach D. i am not quite sure how to setup the port fowarding/tunnelling . would appreciate some help. |
| 21:20.16 | wang | CleeK : thank you sir, do i need to enable telnet? |
| 21:20.18 | abrotman | DogWater: i've just had too many issues with Dell hardware .. but of course .. it's your job .. not mine :) |
| 21:20.23 | puff | Man, that's annoying, "man -k download" didn't find apt-get.' |
| 21:20.27 | kingsley | fishman: General advice is: Binary drivers are often seen by the linux kernel as "modules", which are only compatible with certain versions of the kernel. That my be why the instructions say to compile the kernel. |
| 21:20.29 | Marc1 | anyone could help me????? |
| 21:20.44 | CleeK | wang : no |
| 21:20.55 | nvz_ | hey, its 4:20 |
| 21:20.56 | wang | great thanks |
| 21:21.08 | Tortel | how do I change the GNOME splash screen? |
| 21:21.08 | wang | woot |
| 21:21.09 | thingfish | so it is! |
| 21:21.11 | kingsley | fishman: I would hope that nvidia tells you which version of the kernel nvsound needs. If that version of the linux kernel is available, precompiled, by apt-get, great, you won't have to download and compile kernel source. |
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| 21:21.21 | wang | thingfish you don't need any more dope |
| 21:21.21 | abrotman | Tortel: see if GDM has an option |
| 21:21.30 | thingfish | :( |
| 21:21.30 | kingsley | fishman: Once you have the right version of the kernel installed, you can test many modules by simply doing "modprobe <module-name>", which in your case would evidently be "modprobe nvsound". |
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| 21:21.47 | Gyuszk | bye |
| 21:21.48 | fishman | kingsley: It already works for like 30 minutes, I think. |
| 21:21.49 | Gyuszk | byez |
| 21:21.53 | puff | Ah, wait, i just figured out the asnwer to my own question, -set-selections doens't actually download, it just sets the package selection state. |
| 21:22.05 | kingsley | fishman: Heh. Very good. |
| 21:22.20 | nvz_ | Tortel: its not part of gdm, but ask google or #debian-gnome you will find it a lot quicker |
| 21:22.30 | kingsley | fishman: Do you know how to configure your computer to load it after booting? |
| 21:22.33 | nvz_ | Tortel: its definatly possible, I just dont know offhand how |
| 21:22.38 | Tak | I only ever use set-selections to put things on hold |
| 21:22.43 | Tortel | yea, I did it before, just forgot |
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| 21:23.39 | nvz_ | Tortel: most debian users in here migrate away from integration and stuff.. so thats why we have specific channels.. you would find it quickly on google or #debian-gnome |
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| 21:23.53 | tpr | Hello. Im trying to read on tuxmobile about support for APM and ACPI for my laptop compaq evo n800w, atleast models near to mine are sayd NOT to have APM support, anyone have any experience on these, or has ACPI support recently gotten better on linux? |
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| 21:24.47 | setog3 | hi , I have a geforce 256 , and I don't know how to get the sensor on this device , I have tried with sensors-detect , but I get only the motherboard sensors, not the geforce, is it an easy way to have the sensor ? |
| 21:24.48 | nvz_ | tpr: I havent had a laptop in almost a year or more.. acpi was working fine last I used it |
| 21:25.18 | abrotman | tpr: your laptop doesn't support APM .. APM died with the .com bubble .. try acpi stuffs |
| 21:25.18 | nvz_ | tpr: its built in on 2.6 kernels, and I think it may have been merged into later 2.4 but not certain |
| 21:25.39 | myren | abrotman: lol |
| 21:25.42 | fishman | kingsley: yes |
| 21:25.48 | tpr | nvz_: sounds nice, it would kind of suck not being able to use basic laptop power saving things with debian |
| 21:26.05 | nvz_ | myren: thats the geek version of "went out with the afros" |
| 21:26.09 | resiak | Tortel: try apt-get install gtweakup |
| 21:26.11 | resiak | Tortel: try apt-get install gtweakui |
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| 21:26.20 | tpr | abrotman: I am pretty much clueless here..again..so ill try acpi indeed :) |
| 21:26.21 | wang | CleeK: do i need to do anything to the windows box? |
| 21:26.23 | zed | hi all :) |
| 21:26.43 | CleeK | wang : you need to enable terminal services, t's a windows service |
| 21:26.57 | CleeK | +i |
| 21:27.38 | Gokee2 | My debian stoped booting |
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| 21:27.45 | wang | cleek: ok and also in the terminal service client application on the linux box it's asking for a computer name, when i put the name of the computer it says it can't resolve the host, should i just put the network bound ip address? |
| 21:27.52 | Gokee2 | I think it is because of one of the hard drives... |
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| 21:28.18 | Gokee2 | After it starts booting the hard drive with the master boot record on it does not matter doe it? |
| 21:28.26 | CleeK | wang : try first with the IP address. |
| 21:28.28 | Gokee2 | does* |
| 21:28.37 | CleeK | wang : then check your wins or your DNS |
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| 21:29.08 | Gokee2 | Because it starts booting.... After that the only HD problem would be the one its on correct? |
| 21:29.09 | dasunt | I have a strange idea, which is more apt-get then debian based. |
| 21:29.10 | CleeK | wang: probably dns |
| 21:29.24 | dasunt | Debian GNU/Windows: A win32 apt-get. :p |
| 21:30.10 | Gokee2 | dasunt, That would be very strange |
| 21:30.33 | dasunt | Gokee2: There is enough GNU/BSD/Apache/Other-licensed software out there where it could be useful. |
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| 21:33.56 | myren | omg it is still snowing |
| 21:34.03 | yosi_ | Hi! i have installed php4 and apache2 and "connected them" with the libapache2-mod-php4 package, now, i have restarted both php and apache but still, php won't work... help please! |
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| 21:35.57 | muerd | anybody with directfb |
| 21:36.22 | pgh_juggler | i have some stupid newbie questions about apt... is this a good place for them, or is there a better channel? |
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| 21:37.15 | yosi_ | pgh_juggler: shoot |
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| 21:38.14 | mjk64 | Pego: Okay, now the script is half-way acceptable for me. :-) |
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| 21:38.47 | pgh_juggler | k, thx. first... i haven't found an option to list the packages that are currently installed. does one exist? or can i just look at the contents of /usr/share/doc to tell? |
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| 21:39.29 | hent | pgh_juggler: dpkg -l |
| 21:39.40 | stew | pgh_juggler: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 21:40.06 | stew | !yinzersmite pgh_juggler |
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| 21:40.44 | abrotman | stew: tyou think pgh means pittsburgh ? |
| 21:40.51 | CleeK | wang : I can't answer with private msg |
| 21:40.58 | stew | abrotman: i double checked that his ip was from pittsburgh |
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| 21:41.14 | wang- | CleeK :alright, i can't do it anyways. i have to install terminal services from a windows 2000 server cd apparently |
| 21:41.19 | wang- | =( |
| 21:41.19 | abrotman | ah |
| 21:41.21 | wang- | stupid windows |
| 21:41.24 | pgh_juggler | abrotman, stew: yes i'm in Pittsburgh :) |
| 21:41.25 | abrotman | wang-: yes you do |
| 21:41.30 | hent | !windows |
| 21:41.30 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 21:41.31 | Pego | mjk64: lol okay :) |
| 21:41.32 | abrotman | !yinzersmite pgh_juggler |
| 21:41.45 | mjk64 | Pego: Wait, just a typo ... one more sec =) |
| 21:41.48 | Pego | mjk64: you know it's just for my personal use :) |
| 21:41.50 | wang- | abrotman thanks for that useful information |
| 21:41.51 | wang- | =P |
| 21:41.58 | Pego | mjk64: ahah sure :) |
| 21:42.01 | WoodyWoodpecker | Which additional packages do I need for watching wav movines with totem ? |
| 21:42.09 | pgh_juggler | hent, stew: ok. i haven't started working with dpkg yet. just apt. |
| 21:42.13 | abrotman | stew: notice how close the first number in the IP is to !es people .. it's no coincidence .. .pgh is its own country! |
| 21:42.26 | abrotman | !tell WoodyWoodpecker about w32codeccs |
| 21:42.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: I don`t want to compile mplayer |
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| 21:43.03 | hent | !tell pgh_juggler about apt |
| 21:43.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | I just wondered if there would be packages doing the same |
| 21:43.12 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: and where in there does it say you have to ? .. did you read it ? |
| 21:43.22 | abrotman | !tell pgh_juggler about refcard |
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| 21:43.30 | WoodyWoodpecker | No, but I did it before. |
| 21:43.40 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 21:43.40 | dpkg | from memory, w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
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| 21:43.43 | stew | !wikifaq pgh_juggler PackageManagement |
| 21:43.43 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 21:43.44 | dpkg | pgh_juggler: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:43.44 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
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| 21:43.48 | WoodyWoodpecker | And I just don`t want it do do this time |
| 21:43.56 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 21:43.57 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: you don'ty have to .. read what dpkg said |
| 21:43.58 | abrotman | erm |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | !tell WoodyWoodpecker about w32codeccs |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | !tell WoodyWoodpecker about marillat |
| 21:44.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: Thanks |
| 21:44.14 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: yu don't need mplayer .. just the codecs |
| 21:44.31 | pgh_juggler | eep, ok i just lost a whole bunch of that helpful stuff. i have no backscroll! (unless someone can clue me in on how to?) |
| 21:44.39 | xored | having a compile error, english version : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=270027 . Switched compiler(gcc) to 4 and 3.4 nothing help. Someone has a clue ? |
| 21:44.45 | mjk64 | Pego: http://phpfi.com/90471 |
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| 21:45.08 | abrotman | !tell pgh_juggler about wikifaq pgh_juggler PackageManagement |
| 21:45.10 | mjk64 | Pego: But *no liability assumed*! If it destroys your files, it's not my fault! Have a *BACKUP*! |
| 21:45.18 | DevilChaos | im still having trouble with nfs im trying to restart the nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common and i get this msg i type: restart nfs-common |
| 21:45.31 | DevilChaos | then it gives me -bash: restart: command not found |
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| 21:45.51 | abrotman | no comment |
| 21:45.56 | mjk64 | Pego: Damn, there should be one more ">&2", but okay, it's version 0.0.1 :-} |
| 21:46.23 | mjk64 | Pego: But that missing ">&2" is just cosmetic. |
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| 21:47.09 | DevilChaos | anyone? |
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| 21:47.31 | resiak | DevilChaos: That's not how you restart a daemon |
| 21:47.37 | DevilChaos | ok? |
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| 21:47.55 | resiak | DevilChaos: /etc/init.d/[something like nfs-kernel-server] restart |
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| 21:48.06 | Pego | mjk64: re i check that :) |
| 21:48.18 | DevilChaos | damn ok i should have known that |
| 21:48.22 | DevilChaos | thank you |
| 21:48.24 | resiak | Yes, you should |
| 21:48.29 | pgh_juggler | abrotman: i've got the bot into on apt and wikifaq now. were there others you tried giving me? |
| 21:48.45 | abrotman | !tell pgh_juggler about grounding |
| 21:48.49 | resiak | !tell DevilChaos -about dr |
| 21:48.49 | abrotman | !tell pgh_juggler about refcard |
| 21:48.59 | resiak | DevilChaos: You should probably read that so that you actually know how to use your system. |
| 21:49.01 | mjk64 | Pego: =) This should be relatively fast, because the "find -exec" is only run on directories (there should be less dirs than files, I guess). And on the files, this script runs "find ... | xargs", which executes perl only once or at least just a few times, not 3000 times. =) |
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| 21:49.36 | mjk64 | Pego: And don't forget: *BACKUP* your data before trying my script! :-) |
| 21:50.14 | DevilChaos | resiak: thank you i know i should just try things first pretty stupid me sometimes |
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| 21:50.27 | DevilChaos | i just try thing lol |
| 21:50.35 | DevilChaos | typos suck |
| 21:50.42 | resiak | DevilChaos: Yeah, reading d-r will make trying things more likely to work |
| 21:50.55 | DevilChaos | lol yup |
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| 21:52.05 | Pego | mjk64: i must be noob :) hold on i have : bad interpreter: No such file or directory when i launch it |
| 21:52.33 | mjk64 | Pego: You need to make it executable: chmod 755 <thenameofthescript> |
| 21:52.37 | pgh_juggler | abrotman: got those two as well now. i'll go look into all of that, thanks. |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | yay! .. have a good day! |
| 21:52.51 | mjk64 | Pego: And don't forget the backup! =) |
| 21:53.27 | Pego | mjk64: hehe it's a backup of a bakcup made from another bacjup :) but he is 755 already :/ |
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| 21:53.40 | mjk64 | Pego: ?? Do you have /bin/bash, then? |
| 21:53.45 | goron | Why does konqueror ask me whether I want to download a .php page? |
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| 21:54.08 | abrotman | goron: the server is misconfigured |
| 21:54.25 | Pego | oops |
| 21:54.31 | Pego | it's okay my fault in copy |
| 21:54.33 | mjk64 | Pego: Tell me! =) |
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| 21:54.43 | goron | abrotman: I never had this issue with later versions of konqueror. |
| 21:54.56 | goron | abrotman: Still think the server is wrong? |
| 21:54.57 | mjk64 | Pego: AHEM! I had hoped that even a newbie knows how to cut&paste! :-) |
| 21:55.13 | abrotman | goron: probably |
| 21:55.25 | abrotman | goron: try another browser if you don't think the server is fubar'ed |
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| 21:55.39 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 21:56.04 | hramrach_ | Anybody knows what fonts are needed for the macromedia flash player? |
| 21:56.10 | goron | abrotman: I think you are right, other servers work just fine, still I thought it was maintained by intelligent people. Guess I was wrong. |
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| 21:56.31 | AoA | Why I cant set UDMA to udma3 or udma4 or udma5 or udma6 using: hdparm -X udmaX /dev/hdX ? When I type hdparm -i /dev/hdX I see that alt that udma is upported by drive |
| 21:56.36 | Pego | mjk64: lool i know but im' on a windows here and ... putty and well :) seems work pretty well need make a lager test :) |
| 21:56.47 | hramrach_ | It works perfectly for me .. except I did some package cleanup and uninstalled some fonts .. and it no longer renders letters |
| 21:57.00 | Pego | mjk64: only think is that space but be replace by nothing :/ |
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| 21:57.05 | mjk64 | Pego: w0000t? I've helped a Windows lamer??? DAMN! |
| 21:57.19 | FrankTM | lol |
| 21:57.30 | mjk64 | Pego: Lemme check ... |
| 21:57.31 | Pego | mjk64: allllright :) this is my game box :) |
| 21:57.47 | FrankTM | anyone have openoffice working on debian with amd64 ? :P |
| 21:57.52 | mjk64 | Pego: :-) |
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| 21:57.56 | abrotman | FrankTM: pure64 ? |
| 21:57.59 | mjk64 | Pego: My script replaces spaces perfectly here. |
| 21:58.16 | pygrammer | FrankTM: I do with Ubuntu/Breezy 5.10 on amd64 |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | pygrammer: he said debian .. ubuntu is not debian |
| 21:58.42 | mjk64 | Pego: Are you sure you got my script unmangled onto the hard drive? |
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| 21:58.57 | FrankTM | abrotman ;) |
| 21:58.59 | Pego | mjk64: oops it's late here i mean ? are remplace by - and must be delete:( |
| 21:59.03 | pygrammer | abrotman: I thought they were similar .... a debian derivative should work, shouldn't it? |
| 21:59.07 | abrotman | Frankypure64 |
| 21:59.14 | abrotman | pygrammer: i have no idea .. ask #ubuntu |
| 21:59.15 | FrankTM | whats that abrotman ? |
| 21:59.20 | mjk64 | Pego: Ah, spaces must be deleted? |
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| 21:59.22 | abrotman | FrankTM: 64bit binaries |
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| 21:59.39 | Pego | mjk64: nononon my fault all is good exect ? that must be delete or replace by nothing |
| 21:59.43 | jozzer | hey I recieve oidentd[8129]: Fatal: Unable to setup listening socket when trying to start oidentd, it has been working before... |
| 21:59.45 | abrotman | FrankTM: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 21:59.53 | jozzer | in the syslog... |
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| 21:59.59 | FrankTM | ill try |
| 22:00.07 | jozzer | but the init script says it starts fine |
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| 22:00.17 | mjk64 | Pego: Then call it like this: <nameofscript> -r 's/(\?|\(|\))/-/g;s/ //g' . |
| 22:00.17 | Pego | a file like "???sdq ??qsd" must be "sdq-qsd" |
| 22:00.31 | mjk64 | Pego: ? |
| 22:00.39 | Pego | mjk64 hoo damn yeah sorry you did that pretty good |
| 22:00.59 | mjk64 | Pego: Oh, you mean: 1) replace space with dash, 2) delete all other chars (parens, quot. marks etc.)? |
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| 22:01.31 | yang | k3b cd burner is not available in etch? |
| 22:01.35 | Pego | mjk64: nonono :) |
| 22:01.39 | mjk64 | Pego: And now, although it's a little late maybe, :-) you can derive the appropriate regular expression from the last one I gave you. :-) |
| 22:01.52 | Pego | i mean: 's/( |\(|\))/-/g;s/\?//g' |
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| 22:02.10 | Pego | this seems perfect i do a large test :) |
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| 22:02.13 | Pego | sec |
| 22:02.15 | mjk64 | Pego: Okay. :-) |
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| 22:03.03 | itom | yang, there are some problem of dependencies -> search it inside: http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
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| 22:03.24 | flamethrower | How do I disable "rivafb support" on a fresh-installed kernel? I have no clue how. |
| 22:04.09 | Pego | mjk64: omg seams PERFECT! and wow damn quick |
| 22:04.16 | mjk64 | Pego: *blush* :-} |
| 22:04.20 | jozzer | anyone ? [230225] <bamz-> skal jo først lige ha et cs hold |
| 22:04.24 | Pego | blush ? :) |
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| 22:04.33 | mjk64 | Pego: Getting red cheeks. :-) |
| 22:04.34 | jozzer | wops wrong paste |
| 22:04.47 | Pego | mjk64: hoho but that not help that a god touch :) |
| 22:04.59 | mjk64 | Pego: *BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH* 8-) |
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| 22:05.06 | jozzer | hey I recieve oidentd[8129]: Fatal: Unable to setup listening socket when trying to start oidentd, it has been working before... |
| 22:05.11 | Pego | mjk64: i dunno what to say you know poelple that help like you it's really cool |
| 22:05.12 | goron | I seem to have permission problems(an app wants to write a file but it can't). Wat should the rights be on ~ (and everything below it)? I now have 700, and user:user. |
| 22:05.18 | jozzer | anyone know what this could be? |
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| 22:05.22 | mithro | is there a working libogre5 for debian? i only see the latest version only for amd64? |
| 22:05.24 | mjk64 | Pego: We love to help. :-) |
| 22:05.26 | yang | itom: is there another GUI cd burner? |
| 22:05.39 | itom | flamethrower, here there are a discussion: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=372672 |
| 22:05.48 | flamethrower | Thanks. |
| 22:05.58 | Pego | mjk64: ahaha okay okay i stop but .. i have to did that cause it'smy father work and he is at the hospital, i will tell him that there is some very cool poeple thanks a lot |
| 22:06.06 | itom | yang, I use gnome and as burner "gnomebaker" |
| 22:06.22 | mjk64 | Pego: :-} It's all the power of Unix that makes us strong! |
| 22:06.32 | Pego | mjk64: i ll keep you're name for when i 'll pass here for salute you soon :) |
| 22:06.37 | mjk64 | Pego: Best wishes to your father! Tell him to get well soon! |
| 22:06.44 | mjk64 | Pego: =) |
| 22:07.06 | Pego | i really have to go to bed i 'll see you tomorrow i hope thanks again mjk |
| 22:07.09 | jozzer | I have made no config changes.... |
| 22:07.14 | mjk64 | Pego: Oki! Good night! |
| 22:07.24 | Pego | later and good night all ! |
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| 22:07.30 | bsdboy | Anyone here tried out ispconfig? |
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| 22:10.05 | Daveman | rofl |
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| 22:10.58 | rafx | xen is dead! long live xen 3.0! |
| 22:11.09 | bleaked | so if one would like to put udev on their system, what's the best way to do so..or is there a quality guide? |
| 22:11.12 | flamethrower | Long live unix? |
| 22:11.54 | aigan | Hi! I need help to repair a invalid ext3 journal combined with a corrupt superblock. |
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| 22:14.23 | itom | rafx, finally is arrived :) |
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| 22:14.42 | rafx | yep, FINALLY :) |
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| 22:15.00 | aigan | I get "ext3 journal has been deleted - filesystem is now ext2 only" and "Corruption found in superblock. (blocks_count = 0)". even with "fsck -b 32768" |
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| 22:16.24 | mjk64 | aigan: I don't know if this is helpful, but: You could simply re-create the journal (look at mount manpage or at mkfs.ext3 manpage). But you should first try to fix the rest of the FS ... maybe after you corrected the rest, the journal will "magically" re-appear. |
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| 22:17.33 | aigan | mjk64: I could not remove it with " tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/hdb3"; tune2fs: A block group is missing an inode table while reading journal inode |
| 22:18.08 | mjk64 | aigan: And maybe "debugfs" helps, although that is probably a very time consuming process (never used it, but a friend of mine did) |
| 22:18.14 | aigan | mjk64: I could not recreate it with "tune2fs -j /dev/hdb3"; "The filesystem already has a journal." |
| 22:18.28 | mjk64 | aigan: Oh, this looks bad ... okay, debugfs. :-} |
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| 22:19.25 | aigan | mjk64: I'm not sure how to use it |
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| 22:19.47 | aigan | mjk64: How do i use it to recreate or remove the journal and/or the superblock? |
| 22:19.51 | mjk64 | aigan: You need to know the ext2/3 structure beforehand, i. e. read and learn a lot. |
| 22:20.27 | flamethrower | Anyone know a good linux cd erasing/iso burning app? |
| 22:20.38 | psnl | flamethrower: k3b |
| 22:20.41 | prh | cdrecord |
| 22:20.42 | mjk64 | flamethrower: cdrecord or cdrdao |
| 22:21.05 | flamethrower | I've got k3b installed, it uses cdrecord and cdrdao apparently. The cdrecord part isn't able to erase my cdrw, however. |
| 22:21.06 | mjk64 | flamethrower: Example for erasing: cdrecord dev=1,6,0 blank=all |
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| 22:21.31 | flamethrower | Ok, what is the dev=1,6,0 going to be changed to in to point to my cdrw? |
| 22:21.34 | mjk64 | flamethrower: At least that's the syntax with a SCSI burner on a non-udev system |
| 22:21.44 | flamethrower | It's an IDE cdrw |
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| 22:21.54 | flamethrower | It's pri master |
| 22:22.08 | mjk64 | flamethrower: Read the manpage. 1,6,0 is: SCSI host/bus 0, SCSI ID 6, SCSI LUN 0. |
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| 22:22.24 | mjk64 | flamethrower: For ATAPI drives, I don't know ... should be mentioned in the manpage |
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| 22:23.34 | mjk64 | flamethrower: And for cdrdao (my system again): cdrdao blank --device 1,6,0 --blank-mode full |
| 22:23.44 | skel | anyone using wpa-enterprise where you auth against a radius server? not sure how to configure wpa_supplicant for that |
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| 22:26.53 | MrBallZ | I want to tune up my system, I'm checking the processes that are running with System guard and SysV , how can I edit the processes that I want to be started at boot time ??? |
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| 22:27.04 | mjk64 | MrBallZ: rcconf |
| 22:27.16 | mjk64 | MrBallZ: Or update-rc.d |
| 22:27.27 | MrBallZ | mjk64: rcconf is a utility ? |
| 22:27.49 | mjk64 | MrBallZ: rcconf memorizes all the links in /etc/init.d, so that you can switch services on and off, as you need it |
| 22:27.49 | Guerin | !tell MrBallZ about search |
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| 22:27.51 | mjk64 | MrBallZ: Yes. |
| 22:28.13 | MrBallZ | i'm aptgetting it .. |
| 22:28.13 | ldap_desperate | Anyone knows how to setup pam to get ldap working with ssh(it works for local logins, but wont with ssh)? |
| 22:28.30 | mjk64 | stu7: Huh? |
| 22:28.35 | mjk64 | stu7: Please explain. |
| 22:28.48 | mjk64 | stu7: There should be scroll bars on the right and below |
| 22:29.04 | stu7 | mjk64... err... scrolling... the arrow keys wont move the document as they normally would in other apps |
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| 22:29.22 | stu7 | bars..yea... I wanted keys |
| 22:29.24 | mjk64 | stu7: Um ... interesting. Hm. |
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| 22:30.15 | stu7 | mjk64...I was thinking maybe... a development library for X would fix this... its not part of debian, but is a Linux version |
| 22:30.24 | mjk64 | stu7: Can't test it on Debian (no un-free software on my PC!), but on an old SuSE box, cursor keys work perfectly ... |
| 22:30.47 | stu7 | mjk64 yep...worked in SuSE for me too... oh well... |
| 22:30.56 | fenix | hi blablablabla |
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| 22:31.15 | stu7 | go back to phoenix, fenix :) |
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| 22:31.27 | mjk64 | stu7: *lol* |
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| 22:31.33 | Yarou | root |
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| 22:33.01 | mjk64 | stu7: Just use xpdf/gpdf/kpdf/viewpdf.app/whatever |
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| 22:33.41 | stu7 | mjk64...yep... I do for plain documents... acroread is the only one I've found which smooths graphics |
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| 22:34.10 | mjk64 | stu7: That's hard to believe. |
| 22:34.19 | mjk64 | stu7: Ah, *graphics*, sorry! |
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| 22:34.26 | stu7 | be that as it may... none of the others do it :) |
| 22:34.31 | js_ | whats the best way to copy the contents of one drive to another? i need to do this to switch my / drive |
| 22:35.00 | stu7 | js...how much to move ? |
| 22:35.01 | mjk64 | stu7: What about poppler? (Not in Debian reps) It's a fork of xpdf, maybe it contains that function ... |
| 22:35.25 | js_ | stu7: 1.6gb |
| 22:35.27 | mjk64 | js_: pvmove ;-) |
| 22:35.42 | stu7 | mjk64... you are spelling this p o p p l e r ? never heard of.. lemme look though |
| 22:35.45 | js_ | mjk64: that's step two :) |
| 22:35.51 | mjk64 | stu7: Lemme check ... |
| 22:35.54 | js_ | stu7: i just want everything to be preserved |
| 22:35.54 | mjk64 | js_: :-) |
| 22:36.02 | mjk64 | stu7: http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ |
| 22:36.12 | stu7 | js... thats not too much... can you just... cp -r drive a --> drive b ? |
| 22:36.24 | stu7 | mjk...looking...thx |
| 22:36.25 | goron | I am just amazed, the nvidia sound driver didn't crash just yet. Could it be that they made something that even works? |
| 22:36.35 | mjk64 | stu7: He should do "cp -av", rather |
| 22:36.44 | mjk64 | js_: Or do a tar. |
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| 22:37.34 | Yarou | lolol |
| 22:37.52 | mjk64 | Yarou: Nice palindrome. ;-) |
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| 22:38.15 | Yarou | popd does not work for me |
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| 22:38.23 | Yarou | must i use upside-down encryption |
| 22:38.33 | Guerin | Yarou: wth? |
| 22:38.37 | sn00p | How do I find out whether I have usb supported in my kernel? |
| 22:38.52 | Tortel | how will it not? |
| 22:38.58 | Guerin | sn00p: install a debian kernel |
| 22:39.10 | sn00p | Guerin: already have |
| 22:39.10 | Tortel | USB is older than me |
| 22:39.15 | Guerin | sn00p: then it has usb support |
| 22:39.19 | sn00p | ok |
| 22:39.20 | yang | I need a good CD burner GUI |
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| 22:39.27 | Tortel | K3B |
| 22:39.31 | Tortel | gnome baker |
| 22:39.35 | yang | Tortel: its not packed in etch |
| 22:39.42 | mjk64 | yang: You don't /need/ that, really. :-) |
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| 22:39.45 | Yarou | Yo, bad anaconda had no Canada boy. |
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| 22:39.54 | christor | Hello |
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| 22:40.02 | Guerin | Yarou: step away from the bong |
| 22:40.03 | Tortel | gnome baker |
| 22:40.24 | js_ | mjk64: tar how? |
| 22:40.36 | js_ | mjk64: cp -a seems to stall |
| 22:40.46 | Yarou | Guerin: know any good userland debuggers? |
| 22:40.50 | jozzer | hey I recieve oidentd[8129]: Fatal: Unable to setup listening socket when trying to start oidentd, it has been working before... |
| 22:40.56 | Guerin | js_: just because there's no progress meter doesn't mean it's stalled |
| 22:41.01 | jozzer | and ive made no config changes |
| 22:41.09 | jozzer | its not listening at all |
| 22:41.09 | Guerin | Yarou: eyeometer is my favourite |
| 22:41.13 | christor | I have a question for the sysadmin ; :) I m find a job to be sysadmin and I need to learn a devel to help me on linux. I heard that Perl, python ,ruby was good languages to be the script I can need. What do you think? |
| 22:41.17 | Yarou | ahh |
| 22:41.17 | mjk64 | js_: Damn ... "cp -avx" of course ... (-x = one-file-system), otherwise it copies /dev |
| 22:41.17 | Yarou | ty |
| 22:41.26 | js_ | Guerin: df shows no difference in bytes between 10 seconds |
| 22:41.28 | js_ | mjk64: oh |
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| 22:41.52 | js_ | mjk64: i don't want it to copy dev? |
| 22:42.02 | jozzer | any ideas? |
| 22:42.08 | mjk64 | js_: Hmm ... at least not using cp, I think. |
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| 22:42.17 | mjk64 | js_: But tar should have no problem with that |
| 22:42.17 | js_ | mjk64: i mounted my / drive at another point and copied ... seemed to work |
| 22:42.22 | js_ | ok |
| 22:42.56 | MrBallZ | where can i get a description of specific processes that are currently running on my system ... |
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| 22:43.09 | Yarou | MrBallZ: ps x |
| 22:43.48 | stu7 | dang... woody woodpecker was here, and i didnt get his auto-peck :) |
| 22:43.54 | MrBallZ | Yarou: Description .... e.g. what is the process " fam " for .. |
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| 22:44.10 | mjk64 | js_: tar cfl - <source dir> | tar xfp -C <dest dir> --- untested, better check that first =) |
| 22:44.10 | MrBallZ | or the process " festival " /.. |
| 22:44.54 | js_ | mjk64: right |
| 22:45.28 | mjk64 | js_: Are you using udev? |
| 22:45.33 | js_ | mjk64: nope |
| 22:45.59 | mjk64 | js_: Ah, okay ... tar will be okay. |
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| 22:46.26 | jozzer | 4 |
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| 22:46.40 | mjk64 | js_: For udev, you don't have to copy /dev - although it shouldn't matter, as the devfs/udev dir will me mounted at /dev and so overlay everything in there. |
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| 22:47.16 | edrin | why is my sound quality under linux much worse in comparition to windows? in example in quake 3 the sound gets really bad |
| 22:47.29 | js_ | mjk64: yeah.. right now i just need to get grub on the new drive.. it's a sata drive, sda1.. i'm not sure what that is in grub language |
| 22:47.58 | bsdboy | Anyone here tried out ispconfig? |
| 22:48.24 | mjk64 | js_: It probably simply depends on which drive number the BIOS assigns to the SATA drive. |
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| 22:48.39 | grunx | hi |
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| 22:49.13 | mjk64 | Should I write module options to /etc/modprobe.conf, or to some file (which name?) in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 22:49.14 | Francy^_^ | Hi grunx. :) |
| 22:49.24 | nostur | hi all, can anyone tell me, how to force computer to use higher resolution? |
| 22:49.34 | mjk64 | nostur: Just kick it hard. |
| 22:49.40 | nostur | ... |
| 22:49.40 | mjk64 | nostur: ;-) |
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| 22:49.46 | nostur | anyone? i need i |
| 22:49.49 | nostur | *it |
| 22:49.59 | mjk64 | nostur: X11? Or Framebuffer? |
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| 22:50.03 | Shadowcat | get a better monitor/video card |
| 22:50.11 | nostur | mjk64: x |
| 22:50.11 | Shadowcat | that actually SUPPORTS the resolution |
| 22:50.30 | nostur | ShadowcatL it supports the resolution, intel extreme 2 ... |
| 22:50.42 | js_ | mjk64: and when i remove my old root drive, the number of the new one is decremented right? |
| 22:50.46 | fbi | !tell nostur about drxx |
| 22:50.48 | Shadowcat | nostur: then start editing configuration files |
| 22:51.03 | mjk64 | nostur: I wish there was a comfortable user interface for that, but for now, I could only point you to: videogen |
| 22:51.23 | nostur | Shadowcat: yes, thats what i need, WHAT config files |
| 22:51.31 | nostur | oh, i see thx fbi |
| 22:51.36 | mjk64 | js_: Not necessarily. |
| 22:51.52 | js_ | oh |
| 22:51.53 | mjk64 | js_: You have only two drives attached? |
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| 22:52.07 | nostur | i have to edit config of xfree86 |
| 22:52.11 | Francy^_^ | Do you know if there is a repository about Gnome 2.12 for Debian Sarge? |
| 22:52.17 | mjk64 | nostur: Right. |
| 22:52.17 | js_ | mjk64: i have 5 right now, and the new one is the 5th |
| 22:52.18 | fbi | nostur: do not edit that file. do what dpkg just said. |
| 22:52.22 | js_ | (hd4) |
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| 22:52.26 | nostur | fbi: ok |
| 22:52.34 | mjk64 | nostur: You can apt-get install videogen for a script that helps creating modelines. |
| 22:52.38 | Shadowcat | Francy^_^: probably not |
| 22:52.45 | grunx | argh |
| 22:52.49 | nostur | mjk64> thx |
| 22:53.01 | mjk64 | js_: Oh, this sounds complicated ... save that all 5 drives are using the same interface. :-} |
| 22:53.23 | mjk64 | nostur: the script is not very comfortable, but should work. |
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| 22:53.52 | js_ | mjk64: its a bit more complicated than that.. two f the drives are on the motherbords ide0 chip, teh 2nd and 3rd are on an ide controller card.. and the 5th on a sata card |
| 22:54.32 | mjk64 | js_: *gulp* |
| 22:54.35 | mjk64 | js_: Have fun! %-) |
| 22:54.49 | js_ | right, first boot with the new settings now |
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| 22:56.00 | mjk64 | js_: Farewell! ;-)) |
| 22:56.11 | js_ | mjk64: buhbye |
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| 22:56.20 | mjk64 | js_: =) |
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| 22:56.40 | nostur | ok, i have to set horizontal sync range, but how i can find it? |
| 22:57.00 | mjk64 | nostur: Either in your monitor manual or apt-cache search ddc |
| 22:57.09 | nostur | kk |
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| 22:58.48 | aeronadix | Is there a way to run a ftpd daemon on debian, behind a router? |
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| 22:59.04 | Ronin | aeronadix: yes |
| 22:59.05 | Francy^_^ | Does someone have Skype here? |
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| 22:59.14 | Khisanth | assuming you have control over the router |
| 22:59.25 | stu7 | this skype... is it serious ? :) |
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| 22:59.47 | nostur | eh, anyone knows cmd for restarting X server? |
| 22:59.49 | shadowarts | lol |
| 22:59.58 | Shadowcat | copycat :P |
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| 23:00.14 | Shadowcat | nostur: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:00.15 | mjk64 | nostur: Just exit your window manager |
| 23:00.21 | ShadowSquirrel | :) |
| 23:00.36 | shadowarts | hmm i cant seem to get my eth0 working, no DHCPOFFERS received.... |
| 23:00.46 | Shadowcat | damned copycats |
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| 23:00.51 | ShadowSquirrel | ShadowSquirrel seems good :) |
| 23:00.52 | shadowarts | lol |
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| 23:01.39 | shadowarts | e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection |
| 23:01.50 | shadowarts | thats from dmesg | grep eth0 |
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| 23:02.00 | shadowarts | maybe its not plugged in.... |
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| 23:02.46 | mjk64 | stu7: 8-) |
| 23:02.56 | stu7 | oops:) |
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| 23:03.05 | edrin | why is my sound quality under linux much worse in comparition to windows? in example in quake 3 the sound gets really bad |
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| 23:03.55 | nostur | lolol |
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| 23:03.55 | nostur | so, i did ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 23:04.04 | mjk64 | nostur: And now? |
| 23:04.12 | nostur | Failed to initialize X: Failed to load core <devices or drivers> |
| 23:04.27 | nostur | i must tell u, nothing better :D |
| 23:04.36 | Shadowcat | !u |
| 23:04.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:04.37 | mjk64 | nostur: Err ... sounds great. :-) What have you done? |
| 23:04.48 | fbi | nostur: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
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| 23:05.14 | nostur | mjk64: the command someone provided me, and ran it 2 edit the settings, kinda phucken :d |
| 23:05.17 | nostur | :D |
| 23:05.31 | nostur | can u give me it again pls? will try to play with it |
| 23:05.44 | mjk64 | nostur: videogen |
| 23:06.06 | nostur | mjk64: the other cmd, ot videogen, but i'll try |
| 23:06.07 | aeronadix | Ronin, can setup my Linux ftp server behing a router, withou configuring the router? Maybe it has the port open already or something |
| 23:06.09 | mjk64 | nostur: videogen should only create a modeline for you to place in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:06.24 | Shadowcat | aeronadix: probably not |
| 23:06.33 | mjk64 | nostur: Ah, then do /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:06.50 | aeronadix | What do I have to do on my Linux machine though to make it run ftp server to internet from behind router |
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| 23:07.38 | Ronin | aeronadix: router must have correct ports forwared back to teh correct ip |
| 23:08.09 | Ronin | and now im off to eat pizza and drink beer |
| 23:08.09 | aeronadix | How do I log onto to a home router |
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| 23:08.19 | nostur | fbi: loading extension xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/gpmdata Configured mouse: cannot open input device PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" |
| 23:08.21 | aeronadix | I tried 192.168.1.1, but what is the default password? |
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| 23:08.52 | fbi | aeronadix: how the hell would we know? no one in here manufactured it. it's _your_ router, read the manual. |
| 23:09.08 | fbi | nostur: what kind of mouse device are you running |
| 23:09.20 | psnl | aeronadix: if that fails, google for the device name |
| 23:09.24 | aeronadix | fbi: woow |
| 23:09.25 | nostur | fbi: USB and touchpad, both worked |
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| 23:09.53 | aeronadix | Ok, forget about that, what do I have to do on my linux router, so it is working as the public ip and not the private IP or what |
| 23:10.03 | aeronadix | I mean my linux ftpd |
| 23:10.47 | fbi | nostur: you're going to need two mouse sections in XF86Config-4 for both to work. use /dev/psaux for your touchpad, /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 23:12.27 | shadowarts | hmmm |
| 23:12.38 | bleaked | is there away to undo the last apt-get install? |
| 23:12.48 | shadowarts | my old system connected to the internet just fine.... |
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| 23:15.31 | aeronadix | bleaked, yeah apt-get remove |
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| 23:16.18 | |nostur| | thx fbi, but can u resend me the config file for touchpad? |
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| 23:16.56 | |nostur| | nice, i phuked Xserver and repaired it to get it better |
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| 23:17.29 | |nostur| | fbi? |
| 23:17.52 | aeronadix | I'm just gonna put a hub in front of the router |
| 23:17.52 | bleaked | aeronadix.. well, i did an apt-get install kpdf, and it installed tons of crap i didn't want. i even had the -s switch in there to see what it would do, but it installed anyway ( i think because i appended the -s at the end) and now i want to remove the extra crap. (ie, i dont want arts, kopete, kppp, etc, etc) |
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| 23:18.16 | h3xis | does anyone here know of any software that will allow me to split avi files? im wanting to burn a 673mb file as a vcd and that's too big to fit on a 700mb cdr |
| 23:18.43 | mjk64 | bleaked: I always install using "aptitude install -P <packagename>", the "-P" means: *always* prompt before doing anything real. |
| 23:18.46 | apfel | Is there a way to play windows media files within firefox? |
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| 23:19.07 | h3xis | apfel, theres something by the name of mplayer-plugin that works with firefox and mozilla |
| 23:19.16 | mjk64 | bleaked: Or -PD, means: show the packages, that the automatically packages are installed for |
| 23:19.25 | mjk64 | bleaked: automaticall installed, rather |
| 23:19.37 | bleaked | mjk64.. good to know, but do you know what i can do to remove this excess? |
| 23:19.59 | h3xis | apfel, sorry that's mplayerplug-in |
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| 23:20.49 | mjk64 | bleaked: I don't know if apt-get tags the automatically installed packages as such ... aptitude (both cmd line and curses UI) does, at least, i. e. when I remove the package, all automatically installed packages that the package depended on are being removed as well. |
| 23:20.57 | bleaked | apfel.. mplayer is not in debian for liscensing issues, but if you search it's well documented on how you can get it. |
| 23:21.23 | bleaked | !tell apfel mplayer |
| 23:21.25 | mjk64 | apfel: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:22.15 | apfel | Thanks. I've already mplayer installed. I'll try the plugin. |
| 23:22.28 | bleaked | apfel.. works very well, actually. |
| 23:22.52 | h3xis | apfel, you got the win32 codecs i assume? |
| 23:22.59 | mjk64 | apfel: mozplugger could work, too. At least it does for my old SuSE box. :-) |
| 23:23.14 | bleaked | mjk64.. mozplugger sucks, works, but sucks. |
| 23:23.16 | bleaked | no controls |
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| 23:23.44 | bleaked | (play/pause, stop, volume, etc) |
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| 23:24.37 | mjk64 | bleaked: Oh, yeah, right ... no controls. |
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| 23:25.53 | shadowarts | hmmm, debian seems to abuse my router or something, all my other systems (linux, window and mac) all seem to work fine but DHCP in debian seems to freak out my entire router everytime.... |
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| 23:26.38 | shadowarts | is there any reason this could be... |
| 23:26.40 | nostur | hi, anyone knows, why when iam trying to apt-get anything, iam getting error, ill show in /msg dpkg paster |
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| 23:28.24 | shadowarts | grrr |
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| 23:28.44 | apfel | I was just able to play a video clip within firefox but unfortunately some sample audio files from amazon.com didn't work. Maybe not the plugin's fault though. |
| 23:29.02 | nostur | anyone can help with problem in apt-get? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1220 |
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| 23:29.21 | h3xis | apfel, does it just sit there? |
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| 23:29.36 | mjk64 | nostur: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 23:29.40 | BearDK | is it possible to do a network install of Debian using a Live CD (e.g. DSL)? |
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| 23:29.52 | resiak | !d-i BearDK |
| 23:29.52 | dpkg | BearDK, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:29.55 | Guerin | BearDK: yes, use debootstrap |
| 23:29.55 | mjk64 | nostur: Meaning that you have maybe aptitude running elsewhere. Or synaptic or whatever. |
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| 23:30.03 | Guerin | BearDK: it's the hard way, though |
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| 23:30.36 | BearDK | Guerin: I have no CDs and it's 00:30 |
| 23:30.40 | nostur | mjk64: ok, ill check it, because after everything, it allawys wanna aptget clamav-base, what is broken package |
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| 23:31.14 | Guerin | BearDK: put the kettle on, it's going to be a long night |
| 23:31.17 | mjk64 | nostur: So something seems to depend on clamav-base. |
| 23:31.19 | apfel | h3xis: There's no error message or something. It says connecting etc. and finally Playing mms://[...].wma. The only problem is that there is no sound output. ;) |
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| 23:32.01 | h3xis | apfel, i've had that problem before, sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldn't |
| 23:32.04 | nostur | mjk64: oh, now i can see that it looks like aircrack is installed, but its not, |
| 23:32.56 | mjk64 | nostur: What does it make it look like aircrack being installed? |
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| 23:34.00 | nostur | no, it was in other output, im its because it thinks, that aircrack is installed, but its not, can u tell me cmd to remove packages? ill try it |
| 23:34.22 | mjk64 | nostur: aptitude remove or apt-get remove |
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| 23:35.28 | mjk64 | nostur: To me, it looks like apt-get does /not/ think aircrack is installed. |
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| 23:35.45 | nostur | mjk64: great, i removed the broken clamav package |
| 23:35.54 | mjk64 | nostur: Congratulations! ;-) |
| 23:36.06 | nostur | and it works |
| 23:36.15 | MrPrimate | hey I think that I am getting a package that is broken.. . I can't do anything now because it wants me to apt-get -f install, which does the same thing every time (try to install broken package) |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | resiak: join me! |
| 23:36.20 | MrPrimate | can I fix this problem ? |
| 23:36.24 | resiak | abrotman: for pong? |
| 23:36.27 | mjk64 | nostur: okay, I'm off to bed ... |
| 23:36.32 | nostur | sometime i'll figure out whats up with the clamav-base gn |
| 23:36.37 | abrotman | resiak: kick tarzeau's ass at bubnbros :) |
| 23:36.44 | Guerin | !paster MrPrimate |
| 23:36.45 | dpkg | MrPrimate: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:36.46 | MrPrimate | when I try to do apt-get remove on the package I get a bunch of errors |
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| 23:37.01 | Guerin | MrPrimate: just paste the whole error of apt-get -f install; |
| 23:37.56 | MrPrimate | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1221 |
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| 23:38.50 | MrPrimate | the directory exists wher it is trying to create libGL.so.1.2 |
| 23:38.54 | aeronadix | I installed ftpd, but I don't know how to use it for find docs, or its command name |
| 23:38.54 | MrPrimate | and there is no file in it's place |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | that's a nice directory |
| 23:39.32 | abrotman | unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 23:39.41 | Guerin | MrPrimate: man dpkg, look at --force |
| 23:39.47 | MrPrimate | I have tried --force-all |
| 23:39.51 | MrPrimate | to dpkg -i on that file |
| 23:39.51 | Guerin | MrPrimate: space on the device, writable? |
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| 23:39.59 | Guerin | bah, never use --force-all |
| 23:40.04 | MrPrimate | now that I think about it, there might not be space on the device :/ |
| 23:40.14 | MrPrimate | debian tricked me to do that stupid multi partition install :] |
| 23:40.19 | Guerin | meh, I see what it is |
| 23:40.20 | MrPrimate | I should have stuck with one partition |
| 23:40.22 | Guerin | unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 23:40.29 | Guerin | note leading . |
| 23:40.35 | MrPrimate | well look at this: |
| 23:40.37 | Ries | [OT] Apache2 mod_rewrite , any idea why this doesn't work? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1222. |
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| 23:40.51 | abrotman | MrPrimate: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327641 |
| 23:40.57 | abrotman | Ries: #apache ? |
| 23:41.02 | MrPrimate | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1223 |
| 23:41.18 | Ries | abrotman: that all our partying :) |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | what ? |
| 23:41.32 | MrPrimate | abrotman, yeah that was what I as assuming about the ./usr/ etc |
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| 23:41.41 | Ries | abrotman: no activity in 45 minutes... |
| 23:41.43 | abrotman | MrPrimate: i just showed you the bug |
| 23:41.47 | abrotman | Ries: so .. wait ? |
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| 23:41.55 | MrPrimate | abrotman, did it have a solution ? |
| 23:41.56 | Guerin | MrPrimate: hello ... pay attention |
| 23:42.05 | Ries | abrotman: ok..... |
| 23:42.14 | MrPrimate | Guerin, I don't see the solution in that paste |
| 23:42.31 | Guerin | MrPrimate: the file it's trying to create has a leading . |
| 23:42.49 | MrPrimate | Guerin, someone else on that same page says that every package shows that same leading . |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | Ries: it's just that #apache is a much better place to ask |
| 23:43.00 | MrPrimate | Guerin, and if I try to install from / it doesn't help |
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| 23:43.06 | Guerin | MrPrimate: YES, so you need to do the install from / |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | MrPrimate: did you read the whole bug ? |
| 23:43.21 | MrPrimate | abrotman, yeah... I didn't see any helpful tips |
| 23:43.25 | MrPrimate | it doesn't work, same error from / |
| 23:43.37 | Ries | abrotman: normally it is indeed..... but I think it's mostly europe people there, that's why it's currently so silent.... I'll be patient |
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| 23:44.20 | abrotman | MrPrimate: maybe you should read it all the way to the end |
| 23:44.37 | abrotman | Ries: i blame the french! |
| 23:44.50 | mainmind | anyone here tried installing GnuCash from unstable for the past month?? |
| 23:45.13 | thingfish | j'aime les francais |
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| 23:45.26 | abrotman | thingfish: do you want me to point out the obvious? |
| 23:45.37 | thingfish | oh you know it! |
| 23:45.40 | jsa1 | i configured my samba to integrated whith Active Diretory in windows. My users in Squid access the internet with users in the Active Directory. But i sed only possible to use the login with domain+login, i try to use domain\username but isnt possible to access the internet. I configure the winbind separator to "\" but when i try domain\login the access wasnt possilbe. How i resolve this problem ????????? |
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| 23:45.50 | mainmind | it has a dependency problem from slib and guile, the GnuCash maintainer points the finger at the guile maintainer and the guile maintainer doesn't respond to emails |
| 23:46.00 | MrPrimate | abrotman, I did read it to the end, I'll read it again, maybe I missed something |
| 23:46.04 | abrotman | thingfish: you're .. like .. weird |
| 23:46.08 | Guerin | mainmind: welcome to unstable |
| 23:46.15 | MrPrimate | abrotman, do you mean I might have to follow links at the bottom or is my answer on that page ? |
| 23:46.28 | thingfish | abrotman: and I take great pride in it. |
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| 23:46.43 | mainmind | guerin: but over a month!? I've never had that problem with a package for so long |
| 23:46.58 | mainmind | and I've been using unstable for years |
| 23:47.23 | Ries | abrotman: the french?????? :) |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | MrPrimate: i'm saying you have to read the bug report .. |
| 23:47.31 | Guerin | mainmind: fix it and get someone to sponsor a NMU |
| 23:47.41 | Ries | abrotman: what's wrong with good wine and bread and cheese? :D |
| 23:47.50 | Guerin | mainmind: or ask debian-devel mailing list what the bag is |
| 23:47.58 | abrotman | Ries: those are fine .. doesn't mean the french aren't lazy :) |
| 23:48.11 | Ries | abrotman: hehehe...... |
| 23:48.32 | AciD | I am lazy ! that's why I'm going to sleep right now... |
| 23:48.48 | abrotman | it's snowing! :( |
| 23:48.54 | mainmind | guerin: i'd offered to the Guile maintainer to help with it, but I've never packaged anything before and I'd need some help finding where to start |
| 23:49.03 | abrotman | !tell mainmind about nm |
| 23:49.04 | mainmind | he just didn't respond |
| 23:49.05 | abrotman | !tell mainmind about mg |
| 23:49.09 | Guerin | mainmind: #debian-mentors |
| 23:49.13 | thingfish | it's too cold to snow here. |
| 23:49.22 | Ries | abrotman: coooool, I miss the snow!!!! I moved away, about 10.000KM from home, sitting around now almost on the ecuator |
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| 23:49.34 | abrotman | Ries: you lucky bastard! |
| 23:49.37 | thingfish | well, not too cold I guess, only 28F. |
| 23:49.56 | abrotman | thingfish: it's "30" here .. and snowing |
| 23:50.01 | Ries | abrotman: hahahaha.... well, it's almost everyday t'shirt weather.... and close to the coats and warm jungle..... |
| 23:50.06 | abrotman | i'm not sure how it gets too cold to snow |
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| 23:50.34 | thingfish | abrotman: I wish it would snow here. It would be so pretty. |
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| 23:50.42 | abrotman | thingfish: don't you live in MO ? |
| 23:50.49 | thingfish | abrotman: yes I do. |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | thingfish: and you guys don't get any snow ? |
| 23:51.12 | thingfish | abrotman: oh we do, just not like we used to. |
| 23:51.22 | thingfish | like we have only had the merest dusting so far. |
| 23:51.30 | Ries | actually.. I can see snow from here..... hehehe up on to one vulcano close to house (20KM) |
| 23:51.31 | abrotman | thingfish: global warming rules! |
| 23:51.48 | thingfish | yay! I want an orange tree! |
| 23:51.49 | sky0 | MrPrimate: the advise is: run "mkdir /usr/share/fglrx/diversions" as root and try install again. |
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| 23:51.56 | mainmind | guerin: thanks, onward to victory.... |
| 23:52.20 | MrPrimate | sky0, yeah that's not the same as my problem, that's a bit different, |
| 23:52.29 | abrotman | woohoo .. i win http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051205/hl_nm/moderate_drinkers_obesity_risk_dc |
| 23:52.31 | sky0 | MrPrimate: but that is just how I read the page, it may do nothing; but it won't do anything bad either, if it fails. |
| 23:52.35 | MrPrimate | sky0, I did see the dpkg -D10 and that helped me figure out my problem, I needed to make a subdirectory called nvidia |
| 23:52.51 | MrPrimate | sky0, it's funny that apt-get doesn't show that it's really trying to create the file inside another subdirectory |
| 23:52.59 | thingfish | !win abrotman |
| 23:52.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:53.08 | MrPrimate | sky0, you only see where it really wants to put it when you run dpkg -D10 -i package |
| 23:53.12 | thingfish | ooh yay me too |
| 23:53.27 | thingfish | is 2-4 drinks per night considered moderate? |
| 23:53.31 | rulesnut | yes |
| 23:53.32 | Guerin | no |
| 23:53.39 | Guerin | 14 per week is moderate |
| 23:53.40 | thingfish | phew |
| 23:53.45 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:53.48 | rulesnut | 14/day is heavy |
| 23:53.52 | Guerin | and no more than 4(?) at a time |
| 23:54.02 | rulesnut | you have more than 2 hands? |
| 23:54.15 | rulesnut | who wants to help me with tar |
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| 23:54.27 | Guerin | rulesnut: man tar; does |
| 23:54.42 | rulesnut | pleez; no RTFM help |
| 23:54.42 | thingfish | The last time I had more than four drinks at a sitting was in college. |
| 23:54.43 | sky0 | MrPrimate: I agree that it would be better to add more detail to final log message in case of an error; but sometimes that info as already gone at that time, no other chance but to run with a high log level (all the time) and you don't want that for the average user... |
| 23:55.00 | Guerin | rulesnut: but that's the best help!~ |
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| 23:55.13 | Lyrical | is anyone german here ? |
| 23:55.15 | rulesnut | if thats the "best" help, I am in big trouble |
| 23:55.17 | abrotman | !de |
| 23:55.17 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 23:55.19 | Guerin | Lyrical: nein |
| 23:55.24 | abrotman | i'm sure there are |
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| 23:55.34 | Guerin | rulesnut: yes, if you can't rtfm, you really are in trouble. |
| 23:55.59 | rulesnut | I am rsyncing to a backup drive.. would I be better taring before or after the rsync |
| 23:56.11 | Guerin | rulesnut: before |
| 23:56.14 | rulesnut | space is the consideration |
| 23:56.26 | rulesnut | space on the target drive |
| 23:56.29 | abrotman | rulesnut: if you tar it .. and any single file has changed .. you will have to copy the whole tar |
| 23:57.00 | rulesnut | oki, thanks |
| 23:57.35 | rulesnut | maybe cpio on the target would be a better option? |
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| 23:57.50 | MrBallZ | question: how can i disable the " artsd sound server " |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
| 23:58.05 | Guerin | MrBallZ: kcontrol |
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| 23:58.49 | bleaked | so i needed a pdf viewer, someone suggested kpdf, i installed it, but it also installed tons of crap i dont want. |
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| 23:58.58 | bleaked | is there an efficient way to remove these excess packages? |
| 23:59.00 | MrBallZ | Guerin: yes, i'm in the sound server part but , cant see where ... |
| 23:59.20 | Guerin | MrBallZ: then there's no hope for you |
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| 23:59.32 | Guerin | bleaked: if you installed them with aptitude, there would be |
| 23:59.36 | Nenillo | how can I know the uid/gid from an user? |
| 23:59.42 | Guerin | Nenillo: id |
| 23:59.51 | Nenillo | ok, thanks |
| 23:59.59 | nostur | anyone here is using aircrack in deb? iam having probs, cant figure way to start it |
